[07:30] <phant0m> anyone know anything about tiger ?
[09:21] <tgpraveen1> hello
[09:21] <tgpraveen1> can anyone tell me why ubuntu lucid still has tracker 0.6.95 while 0.7.15 is the latest
[09:32] <vish> tgpraveen1: are you using Lucid?
[09:32] <vish>  ;)
[10:46] <tgpraveen1> vish: not yet. but someday ;-)


[00:34] <lime4x4> ok what do u do to find the right screen resolution for a tv? Everything i've seen so far suggest that i should be using 1920x1080 but it's too big for my screen
[00:37] <directhex> lime4x4, what's your tv?
[00:37] <lime4x4> a 51 inch widescreen i'm using the dvi connection
[00:38] <directhex> brand & model?
[00:39] <lime4x4> hitachi 51f500
[00:42] <directhex> bloody rear projection
[00:42] <lime4x4> yeah but it still has a great picture yet. Don't feel like buying another tv
[00:44] <lime4x4> with hdmi inputs
[00:45] <directhex> i'm seeing suggestions that it has a native res of 720p
[00:46] <lime4x4> 1080i (HDTV) ? 720p (HDTV) ? 480p (EDTV) ? 480i (SDTV) ? 540p
[00:46] <directhex> 1280x720
[00:48] <lime4x4> i will try that and c what happens
[00:52] <lime4x4> well that didn't work. my desktop gets bigger and i can actually read it when i open a window but it's still way to big yet
[00:54] <directhex> define "way too big". it's normal behaviour to lose 5% of your border
[00:55] <lime4x4> well when i'm on the desktop i don't have the top or bottom panel
[00:56] <lime4x4> and when i'm watching tv the tops of people's head's are cut off
[00:58] <lime4x4> just my luck to finally get a system together setup that it works and now i have a finicky tv...lol
[00:58] <directhex> overscan is normal, but can be adjusted in myth. don't ask me how though, my tv doesn't overscan
[01:00] <lime4x4> must be nice....lol
[01:01] <lime4x4> well i guess i'll go over to the mythtv-users room and c if they have any good advice
[03:01] <hansoffate> Hi, Anyone here know about setting up an STB?
[03:50] <sshirley> after installing mythbuntu, do i have to create the user mythtv myself?
[03:58] <sshirley> i'm not sure if this is a linux, mythbuntu, or strictly myth question, but can anyone guess as to why my box is not saving my video driver or network configuration?
[04:01] <hansoffate> sshirley: no, it should work out of the box
[04:02] <sshirley> if i go under 'users and groups', 'mythtv' is not there
[04:03] <sshirley> also, everytime that i boot up, it asks me to identify my card
[04:03] <sshirley> video card
[04:03] <sshirley> 'could not be detected'
[04:04] <sshirley> i am using an ATI Radeon 2600 HD PRO. I want to use the fglx (??) driver, but it defaults to vesa.
[04:07] <sshirley> when myth (mythbuntu) boots up, i get a 'cannot to backend' error. i set both the backend and frontend to <IP_ADDRESS> (both same machine)
[04:18] <sshirley> I just noticed that in the mythbuntu control center, there is a standalone mythtv session started upon boot. it is set to my user (sshirley). should it be set to mythtv (or is it mythuser)?
[04:30] <sshirley> ok....mythbackewnd isn't running because /home/mythrecordings is not writeable by the current user. /home/mythrecordings has the same permissions as /var/lib/myth/records (the default during installation). the current user i believe is sshirley. i would think that mythbuntu would have created the user mythtv
[05:59] <quirk__> Anyone there that can help? I cannot seem to connect to my mysql database with the mythtv backend
[06:02] <quirk__> Can anyone help with thise message? MYTH COULD NOT CONNECT TO THE DATABASE. PLEASE VERIFY YOUR DATABASE SETTINGS BELOW
[07:33] <hansoffate> hello
[07:50] <Tuv0k>  mythtv-status
[07:50] <Tuv0k> Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/bin/mythtv-status line 423.
[07:50] <Tuv0k> Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/bin/mythtv-status line 424.
[07:56] <Tuv0k> nvm
[11:47] <aglet> Hi - I've a question about the weekly -fixes build for mythbuntu...
[11:50] <aglet> I've been using the weekly builds (the fixes branch) repo for months without any problems.  However, today, it wanted to upgrade to  0.20.99+trunk15758 which looks wrong to me.
[11:50] <aglet> Does anyone know whether that's intentional ?
[15:15] <Blain> Has anyone got the Gyration MCE remote to work completly with mythbuntu?
[15:20] <MythbuntuGuest10> Could some one tell me what the command is to initialize vcn
[15:22] <rhpot1991_laptop> MythbuntuGuest10: you can do it via MCC, or are you talking for a client?
[15:24] <MythbuntuGuest10> Actually I am not real sure. I have set it up before with the help of Dr_willis on here. He had me run a simple progrom in terminal that configured everything.
[15:26] <rhpot1991_laptop> so is the vnc server running or no?
[15:27] <MythbuntuGuest10> I have vnc4server installed.
[15:28] <rhpot1991_laptop> ok, then you are looking for how to connect to it then?
[15:30] <MythbuntuGuest10> I think I just need to run something like vncviewer media-center:0 from another machine. last time I set it up I had to do some configuration in the terminal on the media center before it would work.
[15:31] <rhpot1991_laptop> vncviewer <IP_ADDRESS>:0
[15:31] <rhpot1991_laptop> replace your ip
[15:32] <MythbuntuGuest10> ok thanks I will give that a try when I get home. thanks for your help.
[15:32] <rhpot1991_laptop> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC
[15:32] <rhpot1991_laptop> bookmark that or something
[15:33] <MythbuntuGuest10> will do thanks.
[15:33] <rhpot1991_laptop> tgm4883: you ever see dvd's that are copied via mythtv or other methods that have css errors when you try to play back the iso?
[15:34] <tgm4883> no
[15:35] <Blain> Has anyone got the Gyration MCE remote to work completly with mythbuntu?
[15:35] <tgm4883> where are you seeing the error?
[15:35] <rhpot1991_laptop> mythfrontend log
[15:35] <rhpot1991_laptop> let me find an example
[15:35] <tgm4883> does the dvd stop playing?
[15:37] <rhpot1991_laptop> takes forever to launch the menu, and on one it hangs when I go to play a song from it (its a concert), and the other get all corrupted video when I go to play it
[15:38] <tgm4883> hmm
[15:38] <tgm4883> error message?
[15:38] <rhpot1991_laptop> working on it
[15:38] <rhpot1991_laptop> !pastebin
[15:38] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[15:38] <tgm4883> k
[15:39] <tgm4883> is the concert a big time pressed disk?
[15:39] <rhpot1991_laptop>  not sure, how do I tell?
[15:39] <rhpot1991_laptop> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54859/
[15:40] <tgm4883> well i'm just asking if it's like a local concert burned disk or a pressed disk
[15:40] <rhpot1991_laptop> thats from the concert, launches hangs on the one VOB forever, then I choose a submenu (works fine), choose a song, and then it just hangs till I killed it
[15:40] <rhpot1991_laptop> pressed disc
[15:40] <rhpot1991_laptop> something you would buy or rent
[15:40] <tgm4883> strange
[15:41] <tgm4883> i've never seen this happen before
[15:41] <tgm4883> try ripping with a different drive
[15:41] <rhpot1991_laptop> the other one that gets corrupted video is an old excersize video I was trying to get on there for my wife, so I'm not surprised that had problems (though others in the series don't)
[15:41] <tgm4883> maybe it is a bad drive
[15:41] <rhpot1991_laptop> I'll try that and see
[16:14] <aglet> Does anyone know why the 0.20.2-fixes weekly build appears to be tracking trunk ?
[16:36] <aglet> I'll take the overwhelming silence as a no then
[16:48] <superm1> aglet, looks like a mistake
[16:48] <superm1> aglet, i'll clean that up
[16:49] <superm1> thanks for reporting it
[16:49] <aglet> Cheers :)
[16:49] <aglet> I'm all for staying on the bleeding edge but I'd rather know about it before I do ;)
[16:49] <superm1> can you comment on the forums
[16:49] <superm1> it looks like you opened a a post there
[16:49] <aglet> Will do
[16:49] <superm1> just mention that its a mistake
[16:49] <superm1> i'll push the fixes again manually this time
[16:52] <aglet> Have updated the post.  Thanks again !
[17:13] <Lossif> is there a good tut for mythstream out there?
[17:14] <Lossif> I am having the hardest time trying to get "podcasts" to play on it...
[17:14] <Lossif> or actually videocasts
[17:19] <Lossif> Or I guess the better question would be to ask , is there a good way to grab podcasts with myth?
[17:41] <hansoffate> Hi, can anyone here help me setup a STB?
[17:54] <Tuv0k> Bug 183683
[17:54] <Tuv0k> superm1, "won't fix"?
[17:54] <superm1> upstream decided
[17:54] <superm1> click on the upstream bug
[17:55] <unagi> how do i completely remove mythbuntu?
[17:55] <[nrx]> unagi: format your hard drive?
[17:56] <unagi> yea, no thanks
[17:56] <Tuv0k> just like any other app
[17:56] <superm1> its all in apt
[17:56] <superm1> mythbuntu-*
[17:56] <superm1> and mythtv-&
[17:56] <superm1> and mythtv-*
[17:56] <[nrx]> oh
[17:56] <[nrx]> sorry :)
[17:56] <unagi> ooooooh i didnt think about mythbuntu-*
[17:56] <unagi> ty =)
[17:57] <unagi> ill probably try again tonight, ive finally gotten ubuntu to see the tv tuner, so thats progress
[18:03] <[nrx]> where does mythtv keep it's list of frequencies?
[20:38] <rhp> Hi all. I am experiencing crashes of mythfrontend when I try to export recordings to DVD. Also selecting the different steps is quite slow, but after "Create DVD" the mythfrontend window disappears. I do not see any logging that could indicate problems. Ideas?
[21:28] <bkr> hello all
[21:28] <bkr> having issues getting my machine to act as a backend properly
[21:28] <bkr> where do I edit the config for the machine to id the backend server?
[21:35] <bkr> anyone out there?
[23:27] <nettow0822> I just did a kernel upgrade through updates and the backend won't start
[23:44] <bobbob1016> I just got MythTV working, after some mysql issues, and now when I go to "Watch TV" it says the TV tuner is already being used to record something, I can go to recordings and watch it from there, or delete it, and it isn't recording anything, since I just got Myth setup.  I think it might be because I installed ivtv-utils when I was trying to watch TV, but I uninstalled it, and I still get this message.  Any ideas?


[01:17] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Iffen ya want - Gdocs is open for further proof reading - approval .
[01:19] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I will give it a read, is krytarik on vacation?
[01:23] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Something .. as I have not seen hide nor hair of krytarik in some time now .
[01:23] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, okay I will give it a good look over tomorrow, that is soon enough right?
[01:25] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Sure .. we add more maybe tomorrow .. and Sumday I expect to work up the WIKI .
[01:25] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, Okay
[01:27] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I still have the Hub to do .. and see what I can find for "meetings" .
[01:28] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, Okay
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[15:00] <barry> #startmeeting
[15:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is barry.
[15:00] <barry> hello everybody and welcome to this week's ameu reviewer's meeting.  who's here today?
[15:00] <henninge> me
[15:00] <beuno> me
[15:00] <sinzui> me
[15:00] <EdwinGrubbs> me
[15:00] <deryck> me
[15:01] <bac> me
[15:01] <barry> beuno: hi
[15:01] <beuno> hi barry
[15:02] <bigjools> me
[15:02] <barry> adeuring intellectronica gary-sprint leonardr salgado danilos ping
[15:02] <adeuring> me
[15:02] <intellectronica> me
[15:02] <gary-sprint> me
[15:02] <danilos> barry: otp, sorry
[15:03] <barry> gmb mars jml ping
[15:03] <barry> [TOPIC] agenda
[15:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[15:03] <salgado> me
[15:03] <leonardr> me
[15:03] <barry> i'm hoping it will be a short meeting today :)
[15:03] <jml> barry, hi
[15:03] <barry> jml: hi!
[15:03] <barry>  * Roll call
[15:03] <barry>  * Action items
[15:03] <barry>  * UI review call update
[15:03] <barry>  * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda)
[15:03] <barry>
[15:03] <barry>
[15:03] <barry> [TOPIC] action items
[15:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  action items
[15:03] <barry>  * barry to get with mrevell on guidelines migration from old wiki to new
[15:03] <allenap> me
[15:04] <barry> done, actually!  well, in the sense that i chatted w/mrevell and he's going to work on the migration
[15:04] <mrevell> Mo0r:)
[15:04] <mrevell> oops
[15:04] <barry> so, thanks mrevell !
[15:04] <barry>  * intellectronica and barry to draft guidelines for drive-by cleanups
[15:04] <barry> not done
[15:04] <intellectronica> we missed it
[15:04] <barry> intellectronica: next time <wink>
[15:04] <intellectronica> may i suggest moving this to the list instead?
[15:05] <barry> intellectronica: +1.  would you like to take the first shot?  or i can.
[15:05] <intellectronica> i'm happy to do that
[15:05] <barry> intellectronica: thanks
[15:05] <barry> [ACTION] intellectronica to take drive-by discussion to mailing list
[15:05] <MootBot> ACTION received:  intellectronica to take drive-by discussion to mailing list
[15:05] <barry> [TOPIC]  * UI review call update
[15:05] <MootBot> New Topic:   * UI review call update
[15:06] <barry> intellectronica or beuno would you like to give us an update?
[15:06] <beuno> I have an interesting thing to paste into the channel
[15:06] <beuno> sinzui          12
[15:06] <beuno> rockstar        10
[15:06] <beuno> noodles         8
[15:06] <beuno> intellectronica 8
[15:06] <beuno> barry           6
[15:06] <beuno> kiko            1
[15:06] <beuno> danilo          1
[15:06] <beuno> "number of non-beuno ui reviews performed since the 1st of Sept"
[15:07] <barry> awesome
[15:07] <intellectronica> that's quite good, no? all ui reviewers are doing stuff
[15:07] <beuno> well, not really
[15:07] <sinzui> How did I win that? I ran form UI reviews after I blew a gasket
[15:07] <beuno> there are quite a few that are not doint at all
[15:07] <intellectronica> and even some that are not ui reviewers :)
[15:07] <gmb> me. Oops.
[15:07] <beuno> but, it's fantastic, yes
[15:08] <beuno> a *lot* of you doing amazing work
[15:08] <intellectronica> beuno: also, what period is it over? the numbers seem to me too low if it's for the whole time
[15:08] <beuno> so I'm super happy, and I use Launchpad as an example of super success everywhere else
[15:08] <beuno> intellectronica, since Sept 1st til today
[15:08] <barry> beuno: how did you calculate that?  i'm sure i did more than 6 ui* reviews
[15:09] <beuno> barry, bzr log -r date:2009-09-01.. | grep "ui=" | grep "ui=none" -vi | grep "ui=beuno" -vi | grep "ui=rs" -vi
[15:09] <beuno> it's not super precise, but a pretty good aproximation
[15:09] <bac> beuno: it doesn't include some mentored reviews of the form [ui=EdwinGrubbs, beuno]
[15:10] <jml> beuno, on which branch?
[15:10] <beuno> jml, devel
[15:10] <beuno> bac, yeah, I saw, hence the approximation  :)
[15:10] <bac> well, that one it would've.  yep
[15:10] <barry> beuno: it would be interesting to grep the merge proposals
[15:10] <deryck> credit junkies abound ;)
[15:10] <intellectronica> anyway...
[15:11] <beuno> barry, it would, but it requires more than 20 minutes  :)
[15:11] <beuno> yes
[15:11] <beuno> anyway
[15:11] <beuno> with those numbers
[15:11] <intellectronica> unless we need an accurate measure, would it suffice to say that there are lots of reviews and maybe even more than lots?
[15:11] <barry> :)
[15:11] <beuno> I'm going to graduate noodles when he comes back, after a call
[15:11] <beuno> and my next nominee to go through the process is sinzui, if he's willing
[15:11] <sinzui> beuno: I am willing.
[15:12]  * sinzui thinks several UI reviews are really hard because of context switching
[15:12] <beuno> great, so I'd encourage everyone to send ui reviews sinzui's way, and I will overlook them
[15:13] <intellectronica> i don't think there was anything terribly interesting in that call other than that, was there?
[15:13] <intellectronica> also francis sent notes to the list
[15:14] <beuno> of course, I meant "look at" rather than "overlook"  :)
[15:14] <barry> beuno: could you ask noodles to maybe send a message to the ml about his experience, how he worked with you and anything he learned that will help the next ui graduate?
[15:14] <beuno> barry, I will
[15:14] <barry> thanks!
[15:15] <barry> anything else on ui reviews?
[15:15] <intellectronica> i have something to say about windmill
[15:15] <jml> beuno, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/298297/
[15:15] <barry> intellectronica: go for it
[15:15] <jml> beuno, that bzr plugin does reviewer & mainline author counts
[15:15] <intellectronica> i've started using the new infrastrcture after not touching it for quite some time, and it rocks
[15:16] <intellectronica> hugs to bjorn for sorting this out, and everyone who didn't yet have the chance to take a look, you're in for a pleasant surprise
[15:16] <gary-sprint> BjornT should get to hear that :-)
[15:16] <gary-sprint> (and he's not around)
[15:16] <beuno> jml, thanks, I will get the stats again from there
[15:17] <intellectronica> gary-sprint: yes, appropriately i think he's in a conference about test automation :)
[15:17] <barry> intellectronica: very cool.  the old infrastructure was so painful
[15:17] <gary-sprint> :-)
[15:17] <barry> intellectronica: is there anything in the dev wiki that could use updating?
[15:18] <intellectronica> barry: the dev wiki is already up to date
[15:18] <barry> rock
[15:18] <barry> intellectronica: thanks for the update
[15:18] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda)
[15:18] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda)
[15:18] <barry> gary-sprint: would you like to give a brief update on our sprint?
[15:19] <barry> or i can do it :)
[15:19] <gary-sprint> barry: sure.  Thanks to barry, salgado, and maxb, we have a branch that works (test passing) on Python 2.5.
[15:19] <gary-sprint> This will not land until the LOSAs are ready to consume it
[15:19] <gary-sprint> Also coming from the sprint was a bunch of fixes for the current 2.4 build on Karmic
[15:20] <gary-sprint> We are now working on upgrading to newer versions of ZTK
[15:20] <bigjools> \o/
[15:20] <gary-sprint> on Py 2.5
[15:20] <gary-sprint> That is big and hard
[15:20] <gary-sprint> We will try to get it done, and then hopefully move back to Py 2.6
[15:20] <gary-sprint> We are not sure if we will get to that by the end of the week
[15:21] <gary-sprint> We will have a discussion this evening (Americas) as to what we think we can accomplish
[15:21] <barry> we have three branches.  all the gory details are here: https://dev.launchpad.net/PythonMigrationStatus
[15:21] <gary-sprint> LOSAs will probably not be able to let us land this for about a week and a half is my impression
[15:21] <gary-sprint> I have a discussion with Tom about this tomorrow
[15:22] <barry> gary-sprint: thanks
[15:22] <gary-sprint> They have been swamped, and though I sent them an email a while ago, I didn't make them answer me ;-)
[15:22] <gary-sprint> yeah, done.  :-) thank you
[15:22] <barry> i have nothing else on the agenda for today.  does anybody have anything?
[15:24] <barry> okay then, thanks everybody and have a great day
[15:24] <barry> #endmeeting
[15:24] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:24.
[15:24] <gary-sprint> thanks
[15:24] <intellectronica> thanks barry
[15:24] <bigjools> ta mate


[00:08] <en1gma> i need to "compress with 7zip zstd copy mode". how do i do this in ubuntu 22.04.3 lts? i have 7zip installed but when i do '7zz i' i dont see "zstd"
[00:08] <en1gma> is there another supported package that will do the same?
[00:14] <pragmaticenigma> en1gma: zstd is available as a standalone package
[00:14] <teletubby> does anyone play gmod here?
[00:14] <teletubby> asking for a reaso
[00:14] <teletubby> reason*
[00:14] <pragmaticenigma> teletubby: That's not a support topic, please ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:17] <teletubby> okay
[00:21] <en1gma> pragmaticenigma yea i got that installed but my research on net keeps showing it being used for ubuntu install or deb pkg. im looking the help file now
[00:26] <pragmaticenigma> en1gma: I know that 7zip has additional codecs to install, but I have no idea how to get those installed. nor do I understand what "copy mode" means
[00:29] <en1gma> pragmaticenigma i was just looking on how to install those libs/codecs also. im just going to boot to windows and zip there with zstd and come back. shouldnt take but a minute. 7zip needs to release it for linux people in a package instead of windows binary.
[00:29] <en1gma> brb
[01:48] <z1nt3k> Hello there
[02:48] <alcosta> Hi everybody! Is leftyfb here?
[02:51] <alcosta> Some hours ago I talked with leftyfb about configuration of bridged network on ubuntu 20.04 via nmcli and Network Manager.
[02:52] <alcosta> I don't see leftyfb now here! Can somebody other give me some suggestions?
[02:54] <sarnold> it'd help if you said what you're trying to accomplish, what you tried, what it did, what you expected, etc
[02:56] <alcosta> Hi sarnold! I have two PC (A, B) connected via a switch device. On each computer I have a Virtual Machine (VMA, VMB). I want all the machines can communicate therebetween!
[02:57] <alcosta> All the machines run ubuntu 20.04.
[02:58] <alcosta> leftyfb suggested me to follow what is said in https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-add-network-bridge-with-nmcli-networkmanager-on-linux/
[02:58] <sarnold> I think the usual approach for this one is to create a new bridge in libvirt for the VMs, add the physical NICs to the bridge, and then (the tricky part) set the IP address for "the machine" ON THE BRIDGE and not on the interface
[02:59] <leftyfb> sarnold: they should only need a network bridge
[02:59] <alcosta> I tried to follow what is said inside that page but... something is not right!
[02:59] <sarnold> heya leftyfb :)
[02:59] <leftyfb> alcosta: please use pastebin to paste what is wrong
[03:00] <alcosta> Hi leftyfb! :)
[03:02] <alcosta> https://dpaste.com/7UT38Q35N
[03:03] <alcosta> The command there are not exactly corresponding with my case!
[03:04] <leftyfb> it looks like you did lots of bad things
[03:04] <leftyfb> open up your network manager GUI and delete all the bridge* interfaces you created
[03:04] <alcosta> May be have some device not exactly needed! Maybe nm-bridge  make a mess!
[03:04] <leftyfb> start over
[03:06] <alcosta> How can I send you an image, I don't remember the address! Pls, can you suggest me the addr?
[03:07] <leftyfb> alcosta: in particular, I don't know how you managed to create 3 separate bridges called "bridge", "bridge-br0" and "bridge-slave-eno1"
[03:07] <leftyfb> !imgur
[03:07] <leftyfb> alcosta: imgur.com
[03:08] <leftyfb> alcosta: it looks like you maybe skimmed the instructions, didn't really pay attention to any of the explanations and instead just copy and pasted some things in your terminal and kept trying a bunch of invalid iterations on your initial invalid command(s)
[03:08] <alcosta> From NM I have this: https://imgur.com/a/pK1DT1G
[03:09] <alcosta> How can I delete all the unnecessary interface/device?
[03:11] <leftyfb> alcosta: please run this and paste the resulting URL here:   ( nmcli con delete 1063727f-db41-4ef9-a24b-58870ef94604 && nmcli con delete 272c156d-612c-4230-aa92-4b0107d68cde && nmcli con delete 81f27aab-ad43-4f1b-97b0-03dbd4634ac8 ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[03:11] <alcosta> Maybe nm-bridge is at the origin of all the issues! I don't know how and why it is there! I gave the instruction as it is said in the page, but the result is a bit different!
[03:12] <leftyfb> alcosta: please run this and paste the resulting URL here:   ( nmcli con delete 1063727f-db41-4ef9-a24b-58870ef94604 && nmcli con delete 272c156d-612c-4230-aa92-4b0107d68cde && nmcli con delete 81f27aab-ad43-4f1b-97b0-03dbd4634ac8 && nmcli con show) | nc termbin.com 9999
[03:16] <alcosta> https://dpaste.com/GUSP6WXKS
[03:17] <leftyfb> alcosta: please run the commands we give you going forward
[03:17] <alcosta> Sorry, I'm new about the use of all these internet pages.
[03:17] <leftyfb> ( nmcli con add ifname br0 type bridge con-name br0 && nmcli con add type bridge-slave ifname enp6s0 master br0 ; nmcli con show ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[03:18] <leftyfb> ^ run this in a terminal in it's entirety
[03:18] <leftyfb> it will result in a termbin.com URL which you can paste here
[03:18] <alcosta> https://termbin.com/9xdt
[03:19] <leftyfb> ok, now you should have an interface called br0
[03:20] <alcosta> OK!
[03:20] <leftyfb> reboot your machine. Once it boots, you can run "ip -c a"  and it should sho that br0 has an ip address
[03:22] <alcosta> Ok! I'll reboot! I hope I can see you soon! :)
[03:30] <leftyfb> alcosta: ip -c a | nc termbin.com 9999
[03:30] <alcosta> I'm here| Very glad to see you again! :)
[03:31] <alcosta> https://termbin.com/tywi
[03:31] <leftyfb> ok, something isn't right
[03:32] <alcosta> (leftyfb: I'm in Italy, and here it's 04:32:00 o' clock! Where are you and what time is there?)
[03:32] <leftyfb> 10:30pm ... about to get to bed
[03:33] <alcosta> Isn't right?
[03:33] <leftyfb> oh wait
[03:34] <alcosta> I'm sorry for the late time!
[03:35] <leftyfb> alcosta: try: sudo apt install bridge-utils
[03:36] <leftyfb> alcosta: then:  sudo brctl show | nc termbin.com 9999
[03:36] <alcosta> https://dpaste.com/ADNCQENC5
[03:37] <alcosta> https://termbin.com/6wvt
[03:37] <leftyfb> hm, that bridge isn't setup correctly for some reason
[03:38] <alcosta> What can we do! Maybe.... get to bed!?
[03:38] <leftyfb> nmcli con delete 19ed00ed-a57f-4e67-87ac-3c1bbac75230 && nmcli con delete 72124708-e01d-4abc-b01b-b30c4a3e1088
[03:39] <leftyfb> alcosta: try creating the bridge using nm-connection-manager   https://www.tecmint.com/create-network-bridge-in-ubuntu/#:~:text=Creating%20a%20Network%20Bridge%20Using%20nm%2Dconnection%2Deditor%20Tool
[03:41] <alcosta> It says: Creating a Network Bridge Using nm-connection-editor Tool
[03:41] <leftyfb> alcosta: once you have br0 with an ip address, you can follow this to get the bridge setup in VM's you create with https://www.tecmint.com/create-network-bridge-in-ubuntu/#:~:text=Using%20a%20Network%20Bridge%20in%20KVM
[03:42] <leftyfb> alcosta: yes, follow that to create a bridge using nm-connection-editor like I told you
[03:42] <leftyfb> sorry, I said manager, meant to say editor
[03:42] <alcosta> Ok! :)
[03:43] <leftyfb> alcosta: also, you might get better help in #libvirt for this sort of thing
[03:43] <leftyfb> I'm not that well versed in libvirt/KVM
[03:43] <leftyfb> but it's not very difficult
[03:43] <leftyfb> you really should be spending time trying to understand how this all works. That will help you out more than anything
[03:50] <alcosta> Something isn't good!? https://imgur.com/a/Ove4emt
[03:52] <alcosta> Under ethernet, there is no bridge-br0!
[04:02] <alcosta> Ok leftyfb! I'll do some tests! You can go to bed now! We can hear tomorrow afternnon (here about 16:00, 10:00 by you)! Ok!?
[04:31] <Fisher_> hello :D
[06:28] <aman> hello
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> welcome aman
[06:58] <asdf_man> hello
[06:59] <asdf_man> i want to know more about IRC
[06:59] <asdf_man> can anyone explain?
[07:16] <k4k0> hello
[07:19] <alex_> test
[07:23] <toddc> !support
[07:24] <toddc> just ask your question and someone will answer
[07:26] <alex_> I already found the solution. Reporting bugs in ubuntu is tterribly conplicated, almost impossible, but I suceeded!!
[07:58] <itu>  hi
[07:58] <alex_> hello
[07:58] <itu> ubuntu desktop has multiple "work surfaces"
[07:59] <itu> how to chose background picture indiviually per work surface?
[08:00] <alex_> good question, wish I knew ...
[08:01] <itu> ok, lets hear what experts say ...
[08:06] <kalebtippett> Hi
[08:09] <itu> find nothing in gnome-tweaks
[08:48] <alex_> exit
[08:48] <alex_> quit
[08:49] <alex_> how to exit this chat?
[08:53] <k4k0> lol
[08:53] <CosmicDJ> it's :q! ;)
[08:54] <h1y0s1lv3r> ./part + /close or /quit xD
[08:57] <k4k0> lol
[08:58] <h1y0s1lv3r> :) sorry, he went away!
[11:10] <Guest4059> hi
[11:48] <carpenter> after I have formatted a partition I have to use sudo to write to it why is that?
[11:50] <carpenter> *to write files to it
[11:53] <Paris> change the owner of the mountpoint
[11:53] <Paris> chown user:user /media/carpenterdrive
[13:19] <ELFrederich> 7 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them. ... how do I upgrade them without copy/pasting each one into and apt upgrade command?  `apt upgrade -y` doesn't do it, they're kept back.  Same with `apt dist-upgrade`
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> !phasedupdates | ELFrederich
[13:21] <pragmaticenigma> ELFrederich: Also, without you posting the full output of `apt upgrade` there is no way for us to know why something is being held back. Copy the output of `apt upgrad` to https://dpaste.com so we can see what's going on.
[13:22] <ELFrederich> so they're like a slow roll out?... meaning some increasing percentage of people will get them until it's 100%?
[13:22] <pragmaticenigma> ELFrederich: There's no way to really know what's going on until you post the output of `apt upgrade`
[13:23] <ELFrederich> pragmaticenigma, https://dpaste.com/DL77MNLX7
[13:24] <ELFrederich> FWIW, chat gpt said to try `apt dist-upgrade` and `apt full-upgrade`, neither of which worked.
[13:25] <pragmaticenigma> that looks more like a package dependency conflict. and please understand ChatGPT is confidently wrong, it's basing the information on unknown sources that are likely out of date, since its model is based on data pre-2018
[13:25] <ELFrederich> yeah... I'll count this as the 3rd time I've used ChatGPT.  So far it's been good 1 out of 3 times ;-)
[13:27] <pragmaticenigma> It's a tool, and like any other tool, one must learn to use it before one an trust it.
[13:28] <ELFrederich> pragmaticenigma, on another 20.04 VM where I have hardly anything installed I have 5 packages being kept back... one moment, pasting to dpaste
[13:29] <ELFrederich> https://dpaste.com/AMFLPN7QJ
[13:30] <ELFrederich> this is on WSL installed though a rootfs download (ubuntu-jammy-wsl-amd64-wsl.rootfs.tar.gz)
[13:33] <pragmaticenigma> ELFrederich: I'm getting the same held back message on one of my machines. I would just be patient and wait a week before I'd be concerned. Those packages are not-critical to the operation of the computer
[13:34] <pragmaticenigma> !info distro-info
[13:35] <_ELFrederich> pragmaticenigma, ... my network dropped.
[13:36] <_ELFrederich> last I saw was the !info distro-info
[13:36] <pragmaticenigma> !info distro-info | ELFrederich
[13:37] <pragmaticenigma> those packages that are being held back are just information generating tools.
[13:42] <pragmaticenigma> ELFrederich: If you're willing to expirement, you can try `apt-get --with-new-pkgs upgrade` or try manually installing each of the listed packages. Your milage may vary.
[14:50] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:02] <alcosta> leftyfb, are you there?
[15:05] <alcosta> leftyfb, I am tired. I don't understand anything more! I'm going to bed! See you later!
[16:11] <coz_> Ubuntu MATE supported here?
[16:11] <arraybolt3> Yes.
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> it is coz_
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> official ubuntu !flavour
[16:11] <coz_> lotuspsychje, hey high %)
[16:12] <coz_> OK!  I tried ubuntu mate but was disappointed that compiz did not have the "experimental"  plugins. Are they available somewhere?
[16:15] <coz_> I would like to install this on another laptop, however, if no experimental plugins for compiz are avialable will make me go elsewhere
[16:16] <oerheks> IIRC one should build them from source?
[16:16] <coz_> mmmm ok
[16:17] <pragmaticenigma> They are available through a 3rd party PPA, however those are at your own risk and support isn't available here
[16:18] <coz_> pragmaticenigma, Last I remember, they were upgraded from exxperimental. Don't recall new title
[16:19] <coz_> they run exceptionally on other distros but wanted Ubuntu"again" for the family laptop
[16:20] <pragmaticenigma> coz_: You can try installing these packages and see if they provide what you want. I have no idea if they exist in the default package repositories: compiz compiz-plugins compizconfig-settings-manager fusion-icon compiz-plugins-extra emerald
[16:20] <coz_> pragmaticenigma, they are not in the repos
[16:21] <coz_> thanks pragmaticenigma
[16:21] <pragmaticenigma> I would live with what you have. All instructions I'm finding are from 2016 and older. Would not recommend following any of them, as version compatiblity is going to be a major issue.
[16:22] <coz_> pragmaticenigma, understood, the another distro it is :(
[16:26] <pragmaticenigma> coz_: FWIW some of those effects are starting to be added into newer versions of Gnome Desktop. I don't know what the timeline is, or if they will be added to Ubuntu Desktop, but I encourage you to keep a look out for it.
[16:27] <coz_> pragmaticenigma, yeah wayfire, I know, Ido the icons for the prokect,however I truly hate gnome :)
[16:27] <coz_> prokect =  project
[16:28] <pragmaticenigma> coz_: You do know that MATE is based on Gnome 2.x?
[16:28] <coz_> pragmaticenigma, I meant current state of gnome not gnome 2
[16:28] <pragmaticenigma> helps to be specific
[16:29] <coz_> pragmaticenigma, you are absolutely correct, my bad
[16:35] <cahoots> hi, i have a very messed up boot setup, and my machine won't boot at all. it has an ubuntu partition that i want to boot to, but currently when i start up, it just takes me straight to bios settings (unless i have my gparted usb plugged in). how can i repair this
[17:01] <EriC^^> cahoots: can you share 'sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999' ?
[17:19] <cahoots> EriC^^, i ended up installing a usb with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair , and tried auto-repair, but still no dice. here's the summary it gave: sprunge.us/1GRtrd
[17:20] <cahoots> i see stuff in there i don't use anymore, like OpenCore
[17:21] <cahoots> and here's the contents of that parted command you mentioned: https://termbin.com/6kvy1
[17:22] <cahoots> oh oops, that sprunge link is wrong. here's the correct one: sprunge.us/2GRtrd
[17:33] <EriC^^> cahoots: everything looks good, in which mode are you booting the pc up? uefi? csm legacy?
[18:52] <cahoots> EriC^^, so i ended up clearing and recreating my bios_grub and boot,esp partitions. i then ran the boot repair tool, reinstalling grub as well, and got the following summary: http://sprunge.us/jXCYb5 . next, it says, "please do not forget to make your uefi firmare boot on the Ubuntu 22.04.3 lts entry (nvme0n1p2/efi/ubuntu/grubx64.efi file)!", so i ran `sudo efibootmgr --create --disk /dev/nvme0n1 --part 2
[18:52] <cahoots> --loader /efi/ubuntu/grubx64.efi --label "Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS"`. then i hit enter and it said, "GRUB still absent"
[18:57] <Urk> Is there a desktop version of whatsapp in the repos?
[18:58] <leftyfb> Urk: sudo snap install whatsapp-app
[18:58] <leftyfb> there's also whatsapp-for-linux and whatsapp-4linux
[18:58] <leftyfb> I don't know the difference between any of them. You'll have to try them
[18:58] <Urk> thanks
[19:00] <Urk> What do I do now that it is downloaded with snap?
[19:01] <leftyfb> run it
[19:02] <leftyfb> Urk: actually, going by the last time these were updated, I would use https://snapcraft.io/whatsapp-for-linux
[19:03] <Urk> leftyfb:  I just did that too
[19:03] <Urk> https://snapcraft.io/whatsapp-for-linux
[19:04] <Urk> but how do you access it after it is installed?
[19:05] <leftyfb> Urk: you open it the same way you open every other app installed on ubuntu
[19:05] <Urk> I just found an app on my laptop for it
[19:07] <Urk> Whatsapp for linux won't work on my computer, but the one you first provided did open up, and now prompting me to link my phone with a QR code.
[19:07] <oerheks> yes, you need a phone for that first
[19:40] <EriC^^> cahoots: everything looks good, in which mode are you booting the pc up? uefi? csm legacy?
[19:41] <EriC^^> in the bios settings under boot options it should say
[19:42] <EriC^^> also ther might be a run-time boot menu you can access with a key according to your pc make which might shed some light on the situation more
[19:43] <Menzador> Urk: That specific app is just a wrapper for what's known as the Electron web application framework. Applications using it are designed to work the same way that it would work on the web app. So for WhatsApp what you described was normal behavior; it just requires you authenticate through your phone (not unlike Steam Guard and Discord's phone-based authentication)
[19:43] <Urk> Menzador:  I was able to get it to work, and using it now.
[19:46] <Menzador> Perfect! :)
[20:04] <m__> hi .. i am new to linux and stuff where on the internet can i be well versed with irssi?
[20:04] <cahoots> EriC^^, i'm in eufi
[20:04] <cahoots> *uefi
[20:04] <EriC^^> csm legacy is disabled in the bios?
[20:04] <cahoots> correct
[20:04] <EriC^^> right now you're not in uefi btw (the live usb)
[20:04] <cahoots> oh?
[20:05] <EriC^^> that's why it cant access the efi variables
[20:05] <EriC^^> well actually hmm no
[20:05] <cahoots> when i run "efibootmgr -v" now, i see "Boot0000* next VenHw (99e...0cb)\nBoot0005* UEFI OS HD(2,...\EFI\BOOT...)"
[20:06] <EriC^^> it is in uefi cause it can access the uefi list, but for some reason it cant save the stuff to the nvram
[20:06] <cahoots> yeah
[20:06] <cahoots> i also get "warning: EFI variables cannot be set on this system" when i run `grub-install ...` myself
[20:07] <EriC^^> cahoots: try to create the default microsoft stuff maybe it would work, sudo mkdir -p /mnt/efi/Microsoft/Boot
[20:07] <cahoots> after chrooting into my OS on disk
[20:07] <EriC^^> where /mnt is the efi partition
[20:07] <cahoots> i see, just that one command to make the dir?
[20:07] <EriC^^> and then sudo cp /mnt/efi/ubuntu/grubx64.efi /mnt/efi/microsoft/boot/bootmgfw.efi
[20:07] <cahoots> kk
[20:07] <EriC^^> yeah
[20:08] <EriC^^> make sure secureboot is disabled in the bios cause you're using grubx64 and not shim
[20:08] <cahoots> i should mount efi first?
[20:08] <EriC^^> try mokutil --sb-state
[20:08] <cahoots> mokutil tells me secure boot is disabled
[20:08] <EriC^^> yeah mount it sudo mount /dev/nvme0n1p2 /mnt
[20:09] <EriC^^> did this used to work before cahoots ?
[20:10] <cahoots> EriC^^, it's been through a lot of iterations. i had a weird hackintosh setup on here, then i added ubuntu, removed hackintosh, added centos, wiped the centos partition, and found ubuntu wouldn't boot
[20:10] <EriC^^> aha
[20:11] <EriC^^> so it used to boot, was it with the same partition table type? i wonder if the uefi for some reason isnt liking that it's mbr
[20:12] <EriC^^> hmm just saw the parted paste from earlier, never seen this Disk Flags: pmbr_boot flag before
[20:12] <cahoots> it had two boot-related partitions that i wiped. i then followed boot repair's directions and added a 2mb bios_grub partition and a 512mb boot,esp partition where the two were before
[20:13] <EriC^^> nevermind it's actually gpt not mbr that you have
[20:14] <EriC^^> seemed mbr from the uefi entries and stuff
[20:14] <cahoots> ok, i've run "cd /mnt/efi", at which point i see subdirs "BOOT" and "GRUB", then i've run "sudo mkdir -p Microsoft/Boot && sudo cp GRUB/grubx64.efi Microsoft/Boot/", and will restart
[20:14] <EriC^^> hmm
[20:14] <EriC^^> cahoots: it usually is ubuntu/grubx64.efi not grub/
[20:15] <cahoots> i see
[20:15] <EriC^^> the grub one might be from the centos or something else
[20:15] <cahoots> i think all of it has been created from this boot repair tool, as i wiped that data before it did its thing
[20:16] <EriC^^> also you need to name it bootmgfw.efi
[20:16] <EriC^^> yeah
[20:17] <cahoots> ok i now have /mnt/efi/EFI/Micrososft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi
[20:18] <EriC^^> you mean /mnt/efi/microsoft/...?
[20:19] <cahoots> i do not. i need to make a sibling dir to EFI?
[20:20] <EriC^^> hmmm earlier you said you cd'd to /mnt/efi and saw 'boot' and 'grub' there
[20:20] <EriC^^> it should be /mnt/efi/boot /mnt/efi/microsoft/boot
[20:22] <cahoots> i see, perhaps i misspoke. after running "sudo mount /dev/nvme0n1p2 /mnt/efi", i have "/mnt/efi/EFI/{BOOT,GRUB,Microsoft}"
[20:22] <EriC^^> oh ok, all good, except we need ubuntu dir there still
[20:23] <cahoots> i see
[20:23] <cahoots> how do i get that
[20:24] <EriC^^> cahoots: type 'sudo umount /mnt/efi'
[20:24] <EriC^^> then 'sudo mount /dev/nvme0n1p3 /mnt'
[20:24] <cahoots> done
[20:25] <EriC^^> then "for i in /dev /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -R $i /mnt$i; done"
[20:25] <EriC^^> then sudo chroot /mnt
[20:26] <EriC^^> then "mount /boot/efi" and then run "grub-install --target=x86_64-efi"
[20:26] <cahoots> "mount: /boot/efi: can't find UUID=19..."
[20:26] <cahoots> when i do "mount /boot/efi"
[20:26] <EriC^^> aha that's interesting
[20:28] <EriC^^> did you run the "for i ..." command?
[20:28] <EriC^^> outside the chroot?
[20:28] <cahoots> i did. i ran it from /mnt, was that alright?
[20:28] <EriC^^> before "sudo chroot /mnt" ?
[20:28] <cahoots> indeed i ran it before "sudo chroot /mnt"
[20:29] <EriC^^> odd, what's the output of "blkid | nc termbin.com 9999" ?
[20:31] <EriC^^> anything in "ls /dev/nvm*" ?
[20:33] <cahoots> https://termbin.com/avif
[20:34] <EriC^^> weird the uuid changed since the boot-repair log
[20:34] <cahoots> "ls /dev/nvm*" (still from within chroot /mnt) returns /dev/nvme0{,n1,n1p2,n1p2,n1p3}
[20:34] <EriC^^> cahoots: nano /etc/fstab , change the 19... to 9BA0-27A8
[20:34] <cahoots> i removed the cmos battery for a minute from the mobo and reset the defaults, maybe that's why?
[20:35] <EriC^^> nope, it's the filesystem uuid, set when it's formatted
[20:35] <bprompt> cahoots: that doesn't work on today's hardware, used to work about 15 years ago
[20:35] <cahoots> man
[20:36] <bprompt> cahoots: and much less in UEFI
[20:36] <EriC^^> there's a jumper for it
[20:36] <cahoots> blame it on chatgpt :) i was wondering why nothing was resetting. i haven't found any way to reset stuff like the boot order without manually running efibootmgr for each one
[20:36] <EriC^^> or you just short the battery holder terminals i guess
[20:36] <cahoots> ok i've changed the uuid in /etc/fstab
[20:37] <EriC^^> ok try mount /boot/efi
[20:37] <cahoots> succeeded
[20:37] <EriC^^> grub-install --target=x86_64-efi
[20:38] <cahoots> wow, installation finished, no error reported. previously it said it couldn't set efi vars when i ran a grub-install command
[20:38] <EriC^^> ok, try "ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999"
[20:39] <cahoots> termbin.com/3k7j
[20:40] <EriC^^> it looks good, sizes match up to ubuntu one
[20:40] <EriC^^> ok type "exit" to exit the chroot then try rebooting i guess
[20:40] <EriC^^> oh
[20:40] <EriC^^> run update-grub before if you want
[20:41] <EriC^^> before exiting the chroot
[20:42] <cahoots> so i'd exited chroot, but then i ran chroot again, and then update-grub, and i got https://termbin.com/r6k3e
[20:44] <EriC^^> looks good
[20:48] <cahoots> ok i tried rebooting, but it still takes me to mobo settings. i do see a new "ubuntu" entry in the boot sequence above my previously created one
[20:52] <sem> are you able to select and boot from 'ubuntu' in the mobo settings?
[20:54] <cahoots> sem, i don't see a way to manually select it, but it is at the top of the boot sequence
[20:55] <bprompt> cahoots: sounds like the UEFI menu is asking for which entry to default for booting up
[20:55] <bprompt> cahoots: usually you'd pick one from the boot sequence list and F10 to save and exit
[20:57] <cahoots> bprompt, ah right, so when i hit f12 and select from the two options, (both with blank names), each causes the machine to reboot
[20:59] <cahoots> EriC^^, any thoughts?
[21:03] <pragmaticenigma> cahoots: after spending nearly 4.5 hours.. I'd be throwing in the towel, backing up my data from the system and just do a fresh install, making sure to remove all unused entries from the UEFI settings.
[21:03] <cahoots> pragmaticenigma, i'm afraid if it won't solve it
[21:03] <morgan-u2> I have problems. I use 22.04 and I want to graph an equation. I decided to install plots. I get this... The following packages have unmet dependencies:    python3-pyglm : Depends: python3 (< 3.10) but 3.10.6-1~22.04 is to be installed      E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[21:05] <morgan-u2> I tried to install python3 and it was already fine ... but not it says:  python is set to manually installed   <-- do I want to change that?
[21:05] <morgan-u2> python3 is already the newest version (3.10.6-1~22.04).
[21:06] <pragmaticenigma> cahoots: if that is the case, then the problem isn't Ubuntu, it's your UEFI settings in conflict
[21:06] <bprompt> morgan-u2:  hmmm if you just want to graph something, why not try .... I mean, does it have to be python?
[21:06] <bprompt> morgan-u2: are you just trying to graph some equation period, or to have it scripted?
[21:06] <morgan-u2> I dont know how to program in python.
[21:07] <bprompt> morgan-u2:  there are many math graphers, what are you trying to do exactly?
[21:07] <morgan-u2> I  never used it. I tried the hard way but after 34 lessons it was still on boolean tables. It was hard because it was so soooooow.
[21:07] <morgan-u2> slow
[21:08] <bprompt> morgan-u2: so you just want to get the equation graphed?  doesn't matter if its Desmos or some other calculator?
[21:08] <morgan-u2> Exactly,? given a rectangle of a certain (aspect) ratio, plot the height vs the diagonal.
[21:08] <leftyfb> morgan-u2: ( apt-cache policy python3 ; apt-cache policy python3-pyglm ; python3 --version ; type -a python3 ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:09] <bprompt> hmm
[21:10] <morgan-u2> weird. I copied that and all my hexchat backscroll vanished. I pasted it into terminal --- trusting you leftyfb -- and it returned a prompt.
[21:10] <leftyfb> morgan-u2: ( apt-cache policy python3 ; apt-cache policy python3-pyglm ; python3 --version ; type -a python3 ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:10] <leftyfb> it should return a termbin URL
[21:10] <leftyfb> paste the URL here
[21:10] <bprompt> morgan-u2: I mean, hell I can write that and graph it in Libreoffice Draw.... not sure if that's what you want, I mean, that's just the pythagorean theorem
[21:11] <morgan-u2> silly me, it did.
[21:13] <pragmaticenigma> morgan-u2: can you paste that url it generated here?
[21:14] <morgan-u2> but no such file or directory.  -- have I grown stupid?
[21:14] <morgan-u2> https://termbin.com/ysd8
[21:14] <leftyfb> morgan-u2: remove the "apandada1 PPA
[21:15] <leftyfb> morgan-u2: if you need pyglm, you'll need to seek support from whoever maintains it.  I had to look up what sine and cosine and tangent were to make sure. - it's all about tv and what angle from my eyes the tv screen subtems.  I finally "got it" and found out like 40degrees, and that is the TME maximum recommendation. FWIW
[21:17] <morgan-u2> leftyfb, ok appendal is on the end but i dont know for sure what a ppa is.
[21:18] <leftyfb> morgan-u2: ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:18] <morgan-u2> (since by baskscroll is busted:   ( apt-cache policy python3 ; apt-cache policy python3-pyglm ; python3 --version ; type -a python3 ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:19] <bprompt> morgan-u2: so hmmm if you just want to stick a "certain aspect ratio" and get some result, all that can be done in Bash, well, many languages can do all that, even JS, and yes Python could too
[21:19] <morgan-u2> https://termbin.com/pgf5c  No such file or directory
[21:21] <morgan-u2> By this time I want to be able to graph anything I want.  I solved the initial problem with trig. I just did it from the angle of aspect ratio instead of diagonal and recommended distances.  -- I am in it for something new now, tools and competence.
[21:21] <leftyfb> morgan-u2: the 1st file in that list is the repository you added at some point. That includes the python3-pyglm package which is not a supported package in ubuntu. And since that PPA has other python packages, it's likely to cause other problems
[21:21] <morgan-u2> OH PPA(I could have had a v8.  I will go look up how to remove a PPA
[21:23] <bprompt> morgan-u2: so you want some scripted graph?
[21:23] <morgan-u2> ((
[21:23] <morgan-u2> Note: You should uninstall the application in Ubuntu which was installed by the PPA before removing the PPA itself.  - - - like I would ever remember.)00
[21:26] <pragmaticenigma> bprompt: maybe it's best to wait until the Ubuntu issue is resolved
[21:27] <bprompt> pragmaticenigma: yeah
[21:29] <morgan-u2> leftyfb,   sudo apt remove ^[[200~'https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/pinta-maintainers/pinta-stable/ubuntu jammy Release'
[21:29] <morgan-u2>     --- it could not find it. I looked back and did not see that I removed it.  (I wanted and still want to use the application called pinta which came up first as a simple image alteration and manipulation program like MS-paint)
[21:34] <morgan-u2> And so I got smarter (maybe) about the web-plotter called desmos, and instead of worrying about plots, I am going to RTFM.
[21:35] <morgan-u2> plots later because pinta is more important to me.
[21:35] <morgan-u2> Thanks for thelearning curve! leftyfb
[21:36] <bprompt> heheh
[21:36] <pragmaticenigma> morgan-u2: General advice, stay away from installing PPAs. While someone might have some really neat program on one, they often a like a trojan army, they can include packages that should already be present on your system. And when you install that PPA, they can take a higher priority and compromise the stability of your computer.
[21:38] <bprompt> morgan-u2:  quick suggestion, Kolourpaint, is like MSpaint pretty much, the install should be a cinch, mind you that you can do lots of drawing in Libreoffice Draw, and that's already in your system default installation, all you have to do is run it
[21:38] <pragmaticenigma> In the case of the PPA leftyfb recommended you remove, they included their own Python. Ubuntu (and many other distros) heavily rely upon python for system administrative tasks, and often include refinements for that purpose. Installing a PPA like you did, caused someone elses version of Python to be placed on your system, which is probably why you noticed a significant slow down in operations.
[21:39] <pragmaticenigma> I'm not sure how to undo those things, leftyfb appears to have stepped away for a moment, but if you haven't restored your system, hang around and wait for them to reply. If you already removed the PPA before you removed the software, I'm not sure how to fix that.
[21:43] <morgan-u2> bprompt, I dont want to draw. I want to cut up images and place them. Add text. Wish I could desaturate and layer things but that is prolly over my pay grade.)
[21:43] <morgan-u2> I wil look up paygrade.
[21:43] <bprompt> morgan-u2: then Kolourpaint will do, is very much like MSpaint
[21:44] <morgan-u2> pragmaticenigma,  I understand that. I cannot remember installing any python but obviously I did. I agree with you that I only want the standard python.
[21:46] <morgan-u2> Is there a way I can tell the date at which i did a clean install on this partition?
[21:46] <morgan-u2> If it looks like something is twisted, I can do that again.
[21:46] <pragmaticenigma> morgan-u2: Python is installed by default with Ubuntu. The issue with the PPA is that it also included a package for Python, and had set itself up with a higher priority, which means if Ubuntu releases a security patch, you may not receive it until the other PPA maintainer updates theirs.
[21:47] <morgan-u2> I would like to lern how I can make some kind of file that would auto-instll the set of what I consider basic programs to add-on and let it fly.
[21:47] <pragmaticenigma> when you remove a PPA, it should restore itself back to the original source. I'm not certain on that. Was hoping leftyfb might jump back in and help verify those things
[21:48] <bprompt> morgan-u2: your error is with "plot" package, right?
[21:48] <bprompt> morgan-u2:  I mean, it has unmet dependencies
[21:48] <morgan-u2> Otherwise I have to go through all those "what to do after you install Ubuntu" webpages again and remember. (wry grin)
[21:51] <pragmaticenigma> Personally, I keep a journal so I know when I've done certain actions with `apt` on my machine. so that I can later undo them.
[21:56] <bprompt> morgan-u2: if the issue is the installaiton of "plots", then simply uninstall it, use something else, for you what you specified, you don't quite need it, and the dependencies for python3-pyglm won't be an issue since "plots" would be tossed anyhow
[21:57] <bprompt> morgan-u2: I mean, I do lots in Libreoffice Draw, but is mainly math stuff, mind you that the difference is Kolourpaint is "rasterized" whilst Draw is "vectorized"
[22:00] <morgan-u2> bprompt, that last is interesting. My frined says he gets images off of the web then alters them in MS-Paint. He for sure adds text. That works to produce a jpg (rasterized oc)
[22:01] <bprompt> morgan-u2: I do that all the time =)
[22:02] <morgan-u2> bprompt, now that issue is what if things are slow because i have a wrong version of python. But no. I already said that I used apt to update python and it looed good.
[22:02] <bprompt> grab images, annotate them, slap a triangle and equations, usually I do a combination of both Kolourpaint and Draw
[22:02] <morgan-u2> Can I tell the date I installed this ubuntu the first time?
[22:04] <bprompt> morgan-u2:   well, from the message I read from you and your console  output, doesn' t seem like, you "have the wrong python version for python3-pyglm to work with", is all, and python3-pyglm( which you don't  need, let's not get OCD now ), is requiring an "older version of python3", you have 3.10 and that package needs (< 3.10) so something like 3.8 or such
[22:04] <bprompt> morgan-u2: so you have the "righ version", usually comes with the default install, just not the "right one" for python3-pyglm
[22:06] <bprompt> morgan-u2: but since  you don't need "plots" and python3-pyglm, you're golden, install Kolourpaint and achieve Nirvana :)
[22:07] <bprompt> morgan-u2: just toss "plots" assuming it installed some things that are just superfluous
[22:09] <morgan-u2> I am beholden to neither plots nor pinta.  I mean attached...
[22:10] <bprompt> morgan-u2: good, I mention Kolourpaint because is what I use, there are others, but that's one that's about the same as MSPaint
[22:11] <EriC^^> cahoots: sorry was away
[22:11] <EriC^^> cahoots: you could try booting it in csm legacy mode, you do have a bios_boot partition, see what happens
[22:12] <EriC^^> cahoots: which pc make is it?
[22:13] <EriC^^> f12 is giving you the run-time boot menu?
[22:14] <morgan-u2> That is all I want at present. I like juztaposing pictures. Laer I would like ot adjust them to similar resplutions or dissimilar and maybe to color (correct or shift). I need to shrink or stretch and combine. edit borders, add framing, text overlay and a bit of color picking or section picking and printing that over a piece to erase soe background - - google claims to do a lot with the pixel tools but I dont
[22:14] <morgan-u2> know. Their tools come and go. I fondly remember Picaseaa.
[22:15] <morgan-u2> bprompt is gone.oh,np. (I had to give up seeing joins and parts too noisy.)
[22:15] <morgan-u2> bye bye and thanks.


[12:27] <Intelo> While deploying a vps in vultr.com I see option to add ssh key. I wonder which key do I add? my own localhost key? private or public? or can I add later on?
[12:30] <maswan> Well, having no knowledge of vultr.com service in particular: Most likely the public ssh key of yourself that will be available as authentication method for the vps
[12:36] <tomreyn> this question was cross-posted to #linux and answered there
[13:02] <Intelo> maswan ok
[13:53] <MJCD> heya, i'm using an AWS EC2 based VPS and it was running ubuntu 18 but I just tried to do an upgrade from within it and it spat out a bunch of errors about -aws branded packages not being available -- and googling it it seems maybe they only distribute them in their official images?
[13:53] <MJCD> I do have an ubuntu 20.xx image available to init the vps, but just haven't used a "cloud VPS" before
[13:53] <MJCD> (infact when I paid for it they didn't even brand it in any way as a "cloud VPS" lol)
[13:54] <MJCD> but I think it's actually pretty good value for my needs vs any other offering on the market including building a proprietary AWS-thing to do the same work, so not terribly mad haha
[13:55] <MJCD> and it still seems to be working but i'm worried I might have inadvertently "nerfed" some of it's AWS-powers
[13:55] <MJCD> which I might end up using now, or might not, uncertain
[13:55] <MJCD> if anyone has used such things and has any advice; i'm all ears :)


[01:31] <pizalahuella> hola alguien habla español?
[01:33] <pizalahuella> quisiera saber si ubuntu studio tiene un cargador de arranque tipo grub4dos para agregar otros os ?
[01:34] <pizalahuella> es que tambien uso puppy studio 4
[04:41] <ubuntu-studio> so i could use some partitioning advise: i have a P4 w/ 1.2 GB DDR1, 160GB IDE, 120 GB IDE and 120 GB IDE. this system will be used as as audio production workstation. i was thinking use 1 of the 120's for "/", the 160 for /home but i dont know what's best to do with the third 120 GB
[04:44] <holstein> i have a tracking drive.. other than that, i dont really do anything special
[04:47] <ubuntu-studio> i guess it'll hold the swap and ill just link to it in the user's home folder
[04:47] <ubuntu-studio> that sounds efficient enough
[04:47] <holstein> depends on what media you are making
[04:48] <holstein> when im tracking, i want *only* tracking happening on that drive
[04:50] <holstein> i also dont want encryption on that system either
[04:50] <holstein> i dont want any overhead, especially if im trying to squeeze it out of a P4
[04:51] <ubuntu-studio> IDE drives in master/slave config. just trying to come up with a partitioning plan that is most efficient.
[04:52] <holstein> sure.. im just suggesting, if you want to track audio, the most efficient would be just having one dedicated to that
[04:52] <ubuntu-studio> k
[04:54] <ubuntu-studio> and i expect the /home partition to get more usage than "/" so i should put the swap on the same drive as "/"?
[04:55] <holstein> i dont do anything special there.. i just dont do encryption
[04:55] <ubuntu-studio> but thats just a guess. i've never really watched the disk I/O
[04:55] <ubuntu-studio> okay
[04:56] <ubuntu-studio> thanks holstein
[04:56] <holstein> ubuntu-studio: sure.. oh!.. also, #opensourcemusicians
[04:56] <ubuntu-studio> thanks
[05:04] <djbuby> HOLA
[05:05] <djbuby> HELLO
[05:05] <holstein> djbuby: uyes
[05:05] <holstein> djbuby: caps not necessary. just ask
[05:06] <djbuby> no ingles speak español
[05:06] <cfhowlett> !es|djbuby
[05:06] <holstein> !es
[05:07] <djbuby> noob en ubuntu
[22:04] <ianx1879> finally kicked win7 to the curb and installed kubuntu after another fun bit of snafu
[22:05] <ianx1879> now working on getting Saffire Pro 14 configuration fully automated
[22:06] <ianx1879> is it better latency/feature-wise to bridge ALSA or PulseAudio ?


[09:28] <mup> PR snapd#12215 closed: o/state: Hold pseudo-error for explicit holding, concept of pending changes in prune logic <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12215>


[15:50] <davmor2> cyphermox: https://code.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu-zesty/+merge/319962 any chance of getting this approved pretty please
[15:50] <davmor2> cyphermox: be nice to have for final beta
[15:51] <cyphermox> yup
[15:53] <davmor2> cyphermox: thanks dude
[15:58] <cyphermox> running...


[12:07] <shinmen> Hmm.. I'll play with it in a couple of hours.
[12:08] <shinmen> case_, BTW, don't hold you're breath over the smart card reader of the floppy :)
[12:08] <case_> :)
[12:12] <jb-home> Wow, traffic in this channel.  I didn't think it ever happened. =)
[12:13] <case_> jb-home: my mistake, i'm sorry :)
[12:13] <jb-home> *lol*
[03:27] <tuhl> not so many people here :-)
[03:27] <fabbione> right :)
[03:28] <fabbione> but it takes away noise from -server :)
[03:28] <fabbione> and you can discuss more quietly ;)
[03:28] <tuhl> zUbuntu will be a server based variant
[03:29] <fabbione> tuhl: yes. considering zSeries can't fit under my desk :)
[03:29] <daq4th> ok, what about the build-system? launchpad-buildd seems not to be available for the general public ...
[03:29] <tuhl> there migth be a pUbuntu aswell
[03:30] <tuhl> as I mentioned there will be some additional packages to make it the best distro on zSeries
[03:31] <tuhl> VM is a very intersting technology
[03:31] <daq4th> and maybe some additions within initscripts ....
[03:31] <fabbione> i strongly suggest 2 things
[03:31] <daq4th> i dont know how much of that stuff is derived from debian and how much they did for the 2.6 kernel stuff on zSeries
[03:31] <tuhl> it should be possible to do some sysadmin jobs form the Linux side
[03:31] <fabbione> make your changes as generic as possebile for general integration
[03:32] <daq4th> sure
[03:32] <fabbione> or make them as specific as possible to be able to keep them isolated from the other arches
[03:32] <fabbione> otherwise there will be problem to mesh standard ubuntu with you
[03:32] <fabbione> and viceversa
[03:32] <tuhl> fabbione: of yourse
[03:32] <tuhl> course
[03:33] <fabbione> daq4th: you will discuss the buildd with infinity tomorrow :)
[03:33] <fabbione> daq4th: there are several vars to keep into account.
[03:33] <fabbione> <- sparc porter
[03:33] <tuhl> we will do that
[03:33] <tuhl> you did the sparc port?
[03:34] <fabbione> 98% of it
[03:34] <tuhl> I will get a T1000 soon
[03:34] <fabbione> nice toy
[03:34] <fabbione> but linux can't run on it yet
[03:34] <tuhl> from Sun Germayn
[03:34] <tuhl> Germany
[03:35] <tuhl> Do you have experiences with Mono on SPARC?
[03:35] <fabbione> there is no Mono on sparc
[03:36] <fabbione> not on linux at least
[03:36] <tuhl> ok
[03:36] <fabbione> you can run mono on slowlaris
[03:36] <tuhl> it is Solaris
[03:36] <tuhl> you are right
[10:24] <case_> ping?
[10:28] <shinmen> pong
[10:29] <case_> :)
[10:30] <case_> i'm trying to compile some stuff in 64bits mode on my ubuntu-sparc64, but i have some troubles
[10:30] <shinmen> case_, What are you trying to?
[10:31] <case_> i'm trying to compile pov-ray with CFLAGS="-m64" CXXFLAGS="-m64"
[10:31] <case_> in pov-ray, there is c sources and C++ sources
[10:31] <case_> the c compiles with -m64 without any complaint
[10:31] <case_> but the C++ is another story
[10:32] <shinmen> case_, Any real advantage in having pov-ray in 64 bit userspace?
[10:32] <case_> (in 32bits it compiles just fine)
[10:33] <case_> shinmen: that's what i want to know :)
[10:34] <shinmen> 'cause it's like a sort of a FAQ.. I've seen it in debian, splack and gentoo. People think that having stuff in 64 bit userspace will make them run them faster, but only a handfull of aplications take advantage of it, and it's mainly when they are going to use a huge ammount of memory. And I do mean huge.
[10:36] <case_> yes i know that (well, that 64bits support is most of the time usefull when you need more than 4Gb of memory)
[10:37] <case_> but a friend of mine think that double precision floating point will benefit too...
[10:38] <case_> so, urban legend you say ?
[10:39] <shinmen> Well, it could help some aplications, but only a hand full. Pov-ray could be a nice candidate.
[10:40] <shinmen> case_, Error?
[10:41] <case_> a brunch of : /usr/include/c++/4.0.2/iosfwd:45:29: error: bits/c++locale.h: No such file or directory
[10:41] <case_> (and others headers too)
[10:42] <shinmen> case_, Does /usr/include/c++/4.0.3/sparc64-linux-gnu/bits/c++locale.h exist?
[10:43] <case_> no
[10:43] <case_> i only have a 4.0.2 directory, and no sparc64-linux-gnu directory
[10:43] <case_> just sparc-linux-gnu
[10:44] <shinmen> Hmm... this is an u80 with dapper... I shutdown my box at home a couple of ours ago.
[10:44] <case_> i was looking for somthing like libstdc++ 64 but found nothing...
[10:44] <case_> lokking for, in apt-cache....
[10:45] <shinmen> alvaro@quassar:~$ dpkg -l|grep 64 |grep ^ii|wc -l
[10:45] <shinmen> 9
[10:45] <shinmen>  (including an smp kernel)
[10:46] <case_> case@soylent:~$ dpkg -l|grep 64 |grep ^ii|wc -l
[10:46] <case_> 7
[10:46] <case_> (without an smp kernel)
[10:48] <shinmen> $ dpkg -S c++locale.h
[10:48] <shinmen> libstdc++6-4.0-dev: /usr/include/c++/4.0.3/sparc-linux-gnu/bits/c++locale.h
[10:48] <shinmen> libstdc++6-4.0-dev: /usr/include/c++/4.0.3/sparc64-linux-gnu/bits/c++locale.h
[10:49] <case_> dpkg -S c++locale.h
[10:49] <case_> libstdc++6-4.0-dev: /usr/include/c++/4.0.2/sparc-linux-gnu/bits/c++locale.h
[10:49] <case_> that's the problem
[10:50] <shinmen> Gonna try it here. U80 with 3 procs...
[10:50] <case_> I ... hate ... you! :)))
[10:50] <case_> ok so i'll probably have to upgrade to a draper, no?
[10:51] <shinmen> case_, Let me try it here first... if it won't work here, I'll save you a bit of trouble.
[10:52] <case_> rigth, thanks
[10:52] <shinmen> np.
[10:59] <shinmen> Done compiling.
[11:00] <shinmen> $ file unix/povray
[11:00] <shinmen> unix/povray: ELF 64-bit MSB executable, SPARC V9, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.18, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped
[11:01] <shinmen> case_, Please let me know how the benchmarks go.
[11:03] <case_> \0/
[11:04] <case_> great, so i have to update to dapper
[11:05] <shinmen> case_, I could send you the binaries if you'd like.
[11:05] <case_> thanks but it's cleaner that way
[11:05] <shinmen> Ok. And you should trust other people's binaries.
[11:06] <shinmen> (Aldo I'm the splack developer if anyone has a real urge for trusting my binaries :)
[11:07] <case_> :)
[11:13] <case_> wow, splack, i wasn't aware of that... seems realy cool
[11:15] <shinmen> Dumped project... I changed where I work, and the guys from the old job (or anyone else for that matter) haven't shown interesnt in keep it going so I only have a personal up to date repository.
[11:15] <shinmen> bbl
[11:15] <case_> cu
[11:37] <case_> of course, i've broken SILO >_<
[11:39] <shinmen> Ouch.
[11:40] <case_> i've booted on the install cd and i've now a shell, but i dont' find my /dev/hda...
[12:00] <case_> wow... i've just fixed one of the worst dependency mess i've ever seen... (ok ok, i'm not that experienced ;))
[12:01] <shinmen> :)