[00:12] <Bosi> Hello everyone, how do you enable hibernation on Xubuntu 13.10?
[00:16] <brainwash> Bosi: it's disabled for a reason
[00:16] <brainwash> did you already test "sudo pm-hibernate"?
[00:19] <Bosi> brainwash,  as in 13.04, still it works perfectly
[00:19] <Bosi> brainwash,  but I don't know how to enable it in 13.10
[00:21] <brainwash> so the method for 13.04 does not work anymore?
[00:22] <brainwash> take a look at /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/10-vendor.d/com.ubuntu.desktop.pkla
[00:28] <Bosi> brainwash,  I did what  this page says: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2140494
[00:28] <Bosi> brainwash,  it doesn't work
[00:28] <brainwash> Bosi: you will have to add a rule for logind too
[00:29] <brainwash> Action=org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate
[00:29] <`Fibz`> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2177422
[00:31] <Bosi> brainwash,  you're speeking greek to me... can you explain me how to do that?
[00:31] <`Fibz`> it sounds broken to me
[00:32] <brainwash> copy the existing rule and change the action line
[00:33] <brainwash> copy the 4 lines and paste them below the first rule, now change the action line
[00:38] <Bosi> brainwash, don't know if I understood what you asked... but it didn't work.
[00:38] <brainwash> http://lpaste.net/94398
[00:39] <brainwash> Bosi: so your file looks like this?
[00:39] <brainwash> what does "dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=org.freedesktop.login1 /org/freedesktop/login1 org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanHibernate" return?
[00:41] <Bosi> method return sender=:1.3 -> dest=:1.41 reply_serial=2
[00:41] <Bosi>    string "yes"
[00:44] <Bosi> brainwash, hey man, it is activated now.
[00:44] <brainwash> Bosi: great :)
[00:44] <Bosi> brainwash, thank you very much!!
[00:45] <brainwash> you're welcome
[01:09] <MGMT> can someone tell me where in the home folder the colors are for the top bar?
[01:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> the theme for the window manager?
[01:10] <MGMT> you know how xubuntu made it so you can adjust your themes colors for panels?  where would I find those colors?
[01:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh, in the settings manager.
[01:11] <MGMT> I'm in the middle of taking a screen shot and figuring out the colors from gimp so I can grep for them
[01:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> Window Manager changes the window frames, Appearance changes the colors and fonts and such.
[01:12] <MGMT> I don't have the settings manager any more... I installed ubuntu instead and left my home folder so now my appearence in ubuntu is weird lol
[01:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh....
[01:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> I dunno if the theme location is the same in ubuntu.
[01:12] <MGMT> yeah, its in your home folder somewhere.  .xauthority, or one of those folders... just not sure which one
[01:12] <MGMT> s/folders/files
[01:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> I don't use a themes folder in my home directory.
[01:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> I use /usr/share/themes
[01:13] <MGMT> how long have you been using linux?
[01:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> Long enough to know how to install and remove themes manually from xfce.
[01:14] <MGMT> I do about 90% of what I do from cli.  I don't have xfce anymore... I should be able to fix this in a min
[01:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, good for you. If you don't have xfce anymore, why ask non-xfce questions in xubuntu?
[01:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> Wouldn't #ubuntu be more helpful?
[01:16] <Unit193> MGMT: Not sure how that application works, but check ~/.themes/, no?
[01:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> might even be in ~/.local/share/themes
[01:19] <MGMT> I don't have either of those directories.... I might just reinstall xubuntu for the heck of it to figure out where this is
[01:19] <MGMT> I wish I knew what the line that sets those colors starts with
[01:20] <Poisoned_Dragon> In xubuntu, it's /usr/share/themes
[01:20] <Poisoned_Dragon> The themes usually dictate the colors
[01:20] <MGMT> if it was /usr/share/themes the colors would be whatever ubuntus defaults are, I blasted away everythign except /home
[01:20] <blaster_> why it that steam games run super great on xubuntu and super bad on the others ubuntu variants?
[01:21] <MGMT> blaster_ xubuntu uses a different window manager than ubuntu and is not as resource hungry
[01:21] <blaster_> oh
[01:22] <blaster_> i have a problem with minecraft too, fullscreen does not work but in xubuntu is works!
[01:22] <MGMT> nvm Poisoned_Dragon I found it.  the config stuff is  in ~/.gtkrc-2.0
[01:23] <Poisoned_Dragon> Hmm... Themes that I've used have overridden the default colors.
[01:23] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh well.
[01:23] <blaster_> im going to stick to this distro :D
[01:24] <MGMT> lets see what happens when I comment it out...
[01:24] <blaster_> do the ati drivers work? the propietaty ones?
[01:25] <Unit193> MGMT: That'd have been my next guess, editing the GTKrc files.  .config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini too
[01:25] <Unit193> blaster_: Settings Manager > Additional Drivers.
[01:25] <Unit193> They should work, but that's where to test them.
[01:25] <blaster_> but i mean the ones from the official site
[01:26] <MGMT> Unit193: I took a screenshot and used color picker to see what color it was hoping to grep for the right file... that's the only way I know I have the right file... Hopefully this is the only place these colors are lol
[01:26] <MGMT> brb... hopefully I didn't break a bunch of stuff
[01:27] <blaster_> ok installation complete brb
[01:27] <MGMT> commenting it out didn't seem to get it
[01:29] <Poisoned_Dragon> It sounds like you're making it harder than it has to be.
[01:29] <Poisoned_Dragon> You're using unity, right?
[01:29] <MGMT> Unit193: I think its in ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css
[01:29] <MGMT> Poisoned_Dragon: yeah
[01:30] <Poisoned_Dragon> lemme google-fu before I throw my hat in the ring
[01:30] <MGMT> I tried changing themes and it didn't change the colors.
[01:31] <MGMT> brb
[01:32] <MGMT> Poisoned_Dragon: I found it
[01:32] <MGMT> it was in ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css
[01:32] <Poisoned_Dragon> Ah, I see
[01:33] <Yowl> Can unity run on xubuntu?
[01:33] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, you can see the color codes?
[01:33] <MGMT> Yowl: yeah
[01:33] <Poisoned_Dragon> Sure.
[01:33] <MGMT> Poisoned_Dragon: yeah, I just changed it from red to white, but now I have no clue what the color is supposed to be for the default ubuntu theme... I might see if I can get someone to give me the colors from those lines in #ubuntu
[01:33] <Yowl> easy to download unity and apply it to xubuntu?
[01:34] <Poisoned_Dragon> There should be a meta package for unity
[01:34] <Yowl> So easy to install and switch over, and easy to clean out after?
[01:35] <holstein> ubuntu-desktop AFAIK
[01:36] <holstein> Yowl: xubuntu *is* ubuntu, using xfce instead of unity.. xubuntu and ubuntu, and the other variants have access to the same repos, so you just install whatever you would like.. you will choose unity at boot.. but, the ubuntu-desktop metapackage will have more than just unity
[01:37] <Yowl> holstein: and that package will have something else I might want that xubuntu wouldn't?
[01:37] <Yowl> have
[01:40] <Yowl> Poisoned_Dragon: Is it easy to install, switch DE and then clean it out after?
[01:44] <Yowl> anyone here?
[01:45] <Poisoned_Dragon> I believe so. But I don't experiment that way.
[01:45] <Poisoned_Dragon> I just use Live isos with different DEs to check it out
[01:46] <Poisoned_Dragon> Besides, I've grown quite fond of xfce. So, I don't experiment much, anymore.
[01:55] <Yowl> Poisoned_Dragon: What have you tried of the other DE's, and what did you like about xfce compared to the rest?
[01:56] <Poisoned_Dragon> Cinnamon, KDE, Mate, LXDE, JWM, PekWM.... and others.
[01:56] <Poisoned_Dragon> xfce just has a nice balance of speed and eyecandy. Mate is good to but, a tad heavier.
[01:57] <Yowl> mate runs on ubuntu now, right?
[01:58] <Poisoned_Dragon> Um, I think it might be in the repos. Don't quote me on that.
[01:58] <Poisoned_Dragon> In fact, it's not in the repos at all.
[01:58] <Poisoned_Dragon> I believe there is a ppa for Mate.
[01:59] <Yowl> Poisoned_Dragon: How much heavier? Maybe with a good system I won't even notice?
[01:59] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh... not even a ppa
[01:59] <Poisoned_Dragon> http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download
[02:00] <`Fibz`> use at your own risk
[02:00] <Poisoned_Dragon> Pretty much. But, I've heard people have some success at installing it. Just be patient and vigilant.
[02:01] <Yowl> My own risk? You mean maleware?
[02:01] <Yowl> Or that it might screw up my system?
[02:02] <Poisoned_Dragon> pfft... Malware, he says.
[02:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> Just be mindful of your experience level.
[02:04] <Yowl> Poisoned_Dragon: Well if something went wrong, couldn't I just used the other DE? And please answer my question about that heaviness you spoke of
[02:05] <Poisoned_Dragon> I just find Mate a tad slower on the draw, in some places. But, it's still a great Gnome2 fork.
[02:05] <Poisoned_Dragon> If xfce wasn't an option, I would use Mate
[02:05] <Poisoned_Dragon> Yes, you could just use the other DE and purge the bad one.
[02:07] <Yowl> Poisoned_Dragon: How fast is your PC?
[02:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> That's irrelevant, Yowl.
[02:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> What matters is how the GPU is implemented. As in, Integrated vs. Add-on.
[02:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> An add-on GPU will always work better than an integrated one. I'm use to using PCs with integrated chips.
[02:09] <Yowl> Poisoned_Dragon: You mean it's demanding on your graphics card, and not much on CPU or RAM?
[02:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, I just stick with xfce
[02:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> An integrated GPU shares system ram. So, it can create bottleneck performance issues.
[02:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> Even with lots of ram and a fast cpu, you can still see the performance hit.
[02:11] <Yowl> Poisoned_Dragon: If mate ran at the same speed for you as xfce, which would you choose?
[02:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> xfce.
[02:11] <Yowl> Why?
[02:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> The panels are super easy to modify to my taste.
[02:18] <blastermaster> finishe installing xubuntu 13.10 and the volume icon does not work! does it happen to you?
[02:23] <Poisoned_Dragon> there's a work around for it.
[02:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> blastermaster, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1208204
[02:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> blastermaster, read comment 5
[02:24] <blastermaster> ok thanks i will now
[02:29] <blastermaster> that did the trick, but it should be fixed, if i was a newbie i would freakout!
[02:30] <Poisoned_Dragon> Did you do a clean install or a dist upgrade?
[02:30] <Poisoned_Dragon> I think the clean installs may not have this issue. But, I could be wrong.
[02:31] <Poisoned_Dragon> Luckily, my google-fu is pretty decent.
[02:31] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, I found the solution this morning, after udpating.
[02:31] <Poisoned_Dragon> *updating
[02:31] <blastermaster> I did a clean install so is a problem
[02:31] <Poisoned_Dragon> Ah.... tooo bad.
[02:32] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, at least it's fixed now. :)
[02:32] <blastermaster> yep
[02:35] <Yowl> Poisoned_Dragon: So mate is much harder to modify? Have you used Mint? Does XFCE run on mint? What do you think of mint? BTW I lost connection, so if you already answered, I missed it
[02:38] <Poisoned_Dragon> Yowl, It takes a little more work. It's not as bad as Gnome Shell. I use Linux Mint Xfce on my netbook. I like it.
[03:13] <djones_> i have been away from linux for awhile, and am now trying to get back into it, so i just installed xubuntu 13.10  on 2 different laptops, one that i use all the time, the other is connected to my tv, and i am having a few problems, the first one i notices is there not volume controles
[03:15] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1208204 Yeah, sadly it's known.
[03:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> djones_, read comment #5 ^
[03:17] <djones_> haha, so thus far, theres nothing to do about it?
[03:18] <Poisoned_Dragon> If you follow the directions in comment #5, it'll fix it
[03:18] <Poisoned_Dragon> I had to do it today.
[03:19] <FiremanEd> This was posted in #ubuntu as a fix to the indicator issue. http://grumbel.blogspot.com/2011/10/fixing-volume-control-in-xfce4.html
[03:20] <Poisoned_Dragon> That's a different issue.
[03:20] <Poisoned_Dragon> That post is also ancient.
[03:21] <FiremanEd> ah, correct
[03:21] <Poisoned_Dragon> Still, it was informative in it's day. :)
[03:22] <djones_> great, thank you guys, another issue that i am having that may be just my stupid network config, but never had this problem before, i use synergy to control the tv laptop with the mouse and keyboard from the daily driver, and since the install there is some serious lag in things that i am doing \, to the point that its almost unusable, is this just something i just gotta fix on my own
[03:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> I can't help on that one.
[03:24] <djones_> haha, it was wishful thinking there, is there a better solution for what im trying to do than synergy?
[03:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> I've never even heard of it.
[03:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, I'm useless
[03:26] <djones_> worth a shot, so this says to kill the indicator-sound-service, and then (re-(?))run the /usr/share/dbus-1/services/indicator-sound.service that it fixes it, my problem is i dont know how to kill it? xkill?
[03:27] <djones_> service-stop /usr/share/dbus-1/services/indicator-sound.service?
[03:27] <Poisoned_Dragon> I cheated.
[03:27] <Poisoned_Dragon> I just logged off and logged back on.
[03:27] <djones_> and that fixes it?
[03:28] <Poisoned_Dragon> Once you change that line, yeah.
[03:28] <Poisoned_Dragon> It'll reload the service.
[03:29] <djones_> and then on boot it will work? or does it need to be restarted every time? haha
[03:29] <Poisoned_Dragon> It'll be fixed
[03:32] <djones_> here goes nothing
[03:51] <MGMT> Who was looking for binding the alt key to a different key?
[03:54] <Yowl> Anyone else here tried mint?
[03:57] <Unit193> !mint
[04:25] <ObrienDave> anyone notice the new ISO not recognizing 13.04 and offering an upgrade option?
[04:54] <Yowl> Is zeitgeist installed by default in xubuntu?
[05:23] <well_laid_lawn> !info zeitgeist
[05:29] <Unit193> Yowl: I think not.
[05:29] <Unit193> Purge if it is and you don't want it.
[06:02] <pplcf> is it safe to upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10 right now?
[06:12] <well_laid_lawn> right now?
[06:12] <well_laid_lawn> sure
[06:27] <Poisoned_Dragon> I did it yesturday.
[06:29] <braden_> Question for ya'll: I used the gtk-theme-config settings to change my panel colour, and now all the panel text is super blurry. Any one else having this problem?
[06:51] <dwreck> So I just installed Ubuntu after having issues with Fedora and the I am having the same problem.  I can't access certain secure websites.  Gmail, facebook. Amazon, etc... Has anyone ever experienced this before?
[06:52] <braden_> What browser are you using?
[06:54] <pplcf> some network firewall probably?
[06:55] <cub> dwreck, can you test with another pc? I would start with checking the network you are connecting to.
[06:55] <dwreck> I am using firefox
[06:56] <dwreck> I have installed Fedora on two computers and Ubuntu on this one and I am having the same issue
[06:56] <dwreck> My windows computers have no problems with the network
[06:56] <elfy> the Ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu
[06:57] <braden_> I have never had that particular issue with firefox, but if I ever have an internet problem it's because of firefox. Try using Chromium or Opera
[06:58] <dwreck> Same issue with Chrome
[06:58] <dwreck> I was running Linux as a VM originally and it worked with no issues
[07:07] <miarf> hi, what would be a convenient way to force user accounts to automatically logoff/lock after a given time? (not after x period of inactivity)
[07:14] <braden_> This may help: http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/technology/981157/
[07:14] <braden_> You can make a script and make it run on session startup so that the system logs off after a certain amount of time.
[07:15] <cub> dwreck, that sounds very strange. I use both Ubuntu Studio and Xubuntu with Firefox, Google Chrome and Chromium and have no problem with Gmail, Facebook or other secure sites. Do you have an extensions or plugins in the browsers that might interfer?
[07:15] <miarf> braden_: thanks a lot
[07:21] <dwreck> none.  This is a fresh Ubuntu install
[07:22] <dwreck> I am having the same exact issue with Fedora
[07:27] <elfy> dwreck: this is Xubuntu support channel - Ubuntu support is in #ubuntu
[07:28] <miarf> brainwash: seems kinda gnome-centric, that
[07:30] <miarf> typing sleep 1s doesn't even seem to do anything
[07:31] <miarf> even though man sleep states that's exactly the command to force sleep in 1 second
[07:34] <miarf> if only xfce4-session-logout allowed a timer
[07:42] <olbi> omfg, under Windows 7 none of available apps can do good bootable USB stick with Xubuntu :/
[07:42] <olbi> only usb-creator can do this in perfect way
[07:43] <olbi> but it is only available under ubuntu :P
[07:43] <miarf> unetbootin works fine
[07:45] <Unit193> http://www.linuxliveusb.com/ is pretty darn nice, olbi.
[07:46] <olbi> after installing with linuxlive there is error with grub :/
[07:46] <olbi> i check unetbootin
[07:47] <olbi> in linuxliveusb there isn't xubuntu yet :P
[07:47] <olbi> the newest version
[07:50] <miarf> you mean you're able to start the installer, but after installing grub fails?
[07:52] <olbi> yes
[07:52] <grub_> Hello Everyone, I've installed ubuntu 19 times so far. I'get the error attempt to read of write outside of disk hd0 message and then grub rescue. Ther is no HDD-s connected to my PC just the 16GB pendrive. I put boot loadet once on sda once sda1 once auto install and neither worked. before everything went fine even with HDD-s connected.
[07:55] <miarf> olbi: i doubt the problem lies within your live usb creating software
[07:55] <miarf> or does it happen on other machines as well?
[07:56] <olbi> I have that problems with severals machines, works good only when I created sticj with usb-creator :)
[07:56] <olbi> soon I want check Zotac ZBOX :D
[07:57] <grub_> I've installed from a DVD to a USB drive. Not a live system as a real one.
[07:57] <olbi> but if Edge-HD4 fails that means on others will be same :P
[07:59] <grub_> There is no usb live creating software. I burn the official ISO to a DVD. And then I install it to a flash drive as my main HDD.
[08:06] <qwertz__> where do i configure proxy servers?
[08:06] <qwertz__> i can't seem to find it in network settings
[08:07] <qwertz__> is that: http://askubuntu.com/questions/150210/how-do-i-set-systemwide-proxy-servers-in-xubuntu-lubuntu-or-ubuntu-studio the preferred method?
[08:08] <Soul-Sing> proxy, so no vpn service/servers?
[08:11] <qwertz__> Soul-Sing,  yes
[08:11] <qwertz__> i feel like trying out privoxy
[08:12] <olbi> i dont have dvd drive in my computers :P
[08:13] <olbi> i don't use dvd for install linux for about 3 - 4 years :P
[09:43] <Yowl> d
[09:50] <ur0pl> i am trying to do a refresh with a clean cache like i could do in windows, it is control + f5
[10:02] <elfy> ur0pl: in firefox? if so ctrl+shift+delete will give you options
[10:06] <xubuntu663> Hi, On 13.10 have a problem when laptop lid closed and reopened, arrow lost, and cannot move pointer. Same with Lubuntu.
[10:08] <Sysi> ur0pl: if shift f5 doesn't work, try shift ctrl r
[10:22] <Ros_XU1310> Hi to all
[10:22] <Ros_XU1310> anyone can help me
[10:22] <elfy> !ask
[10:23] <Ros_XU1310> i've upgrade xubuntu 13.04 to 13.10 but, now, the Volume audio and bluetooth applet doesn't work.. when i click on it doesn't open the little down menus with the controls .. pls can anyone help me?!
[10:24] <elfy> bug 1208204
[10:24] <elfy> Ros_XU1310: it's all in the release notes - we write them for a reason ;)
[10:25] <Ros_XU1310> oh yes.. thanks Elfy, but are workin' for a solution ? Or exist some alternative ? tk a lot
[10:26] <elfy> Ros_XU1310: there is a workround in the bug report
[10:32] <Ros_XU1310> ok Elfy i'm reading and try to solve-it ! Thanks a lot
[10:33] <elfy> welcome
[10:53] <Ros_XU1310> i can't find indicator-sound.service
[10:56] <Ros_XU1310> i don't have that file :(
[11:36] <elfy> Ros_XU1310: not sure why you'd not have the file at all
[11:40] <Ros_XU1310> Elfy, i'm going to "/usr/share/dbus-1/services" and don't have the file needed ! .. if I try to open like gedit.... it's totally blank .. and with "ls" i dont have it
[11:40] <Ros_XU1310> :(
[11:43] <elfy> Ros_XU1310: you can always create it if necessary I guess - really not sure why it's missing though
[11:44] <elfy> it wants to look like http://askubuntu.com/questions/360806/volume-indicator-issue-after-xubuntu-13-10-upgrade
[11:44] <elfy> but I'd be wondering where it's got to
[11:56] <Ros_XU1310> Ehi Elfy i 've created the file and put inside the 'instrucion' find in the url that You give me ... now i try reboot the system and cross my finger .. See You back  here later..thanks a lot ..
[12:11] <SonikkuAmerica> Got a problem. Notifications aren't appearing correctly in XFCE on Ubuntu Studio 13.10 (they show up as unformatted white text on a blue line in the upper left instead of the normal XFCE notification scheme). Is this a known bug?
[12:22] <SonikkuAmerica> Here's a screenshot of my aforementioned problem: http://imagebin.org/273991
[12:24] <Sysi> SonikkuAmerica: what theme do you have selected in notification settings?
[12:26] <SonikkuAmerica> Sysi: I tried them all... all I get is a message saying "(#A) This is what notifications will look like" in the same look... where # is in the set of counting numbers
[12:27] <SonikkuAmerica> This # just keeps incrementing...
[12:30] <SonikkuAmerica> Sysi: Even though I also have i3 installed, it didn't matter last night when I switched between the 2 window managers - the XFCE notifications stayed the same in the UStudio DE. It only occurred this morning.
[12:32] <Sysi> maybe kill (and run again) notification-daemon
[12:33] <SonikkuAmerica> Sysi: notify-osd right?
[12:33] <Sysi> I think notify-osd is different daemon, check «
[12:34] <Sysi> »ps aux | grep notif«
[12:35] <SonikkuAmerica> Sysi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6256900/
[12:36] <SonikkuAmerica> It's a little confusing.
[12:36] <Sysi> hum, none of those is the notification daemon
[12:38] <SonikkuAmerica> Should I run [ ps aux | grep notif ] when one of these malnutritious notifications is displaying?
[12:39] <SonikkuAmerica> !msg ubottu !ot
[12:39] <Sysi> I'd try running noti[tabtab] first
[12:39] <SonikkuAmerica> OK
[12:40] <SonikkuAmerica> Sysi: "notify-send" ?
[12:42] <Sysi> that's only one appearing if you press tab more than once?
[12:42] <SonikkuAmerica> I hit TAB twice, that was it
[12:45] <SonikkuAmerica> Maybe for some reason I don't have a notification daemon?
[12:46] <SonikkuAmerica> Sysi: I've determined that Studio comes with xfce4-notifyd. I'm purging and reinstalling it and giving it a reboot.
[12:50] <SonikkuAmerica_> Sysi: No such luck...
[12:50] <SonikkuAmerica_> ns ghost SonikkuAmerica john3167
[12:51] <SonikkuAmerica> Sysi: Sounds like a report might be in order against xfce4-notifyd ...
[12:52] <Sysi> yeah
[13:14] <brainwash> it looks like the notification daemon "dunst" is running, i3 pulled it in
[13:15] <Sysi> good call, I've never used i3 so couldn't tell
[13:16] <brainwash> oh, Sonikku is gone already
[13:36] <m3kk> Is there a way to install unity for xubuntu 13.10 to test performance vs xfce
[13:38] <baizon> m3kk: yes, http://askubuntu.com/questions/111400/can-i-install-unity-aside-with-xfce-and-switch-them-as-i-want
[13:38] <m3kk> baizon, thanks
[13:42] <Bosi> Hello everyone, Xubuntu got really slow after I upgraded from 13.04 to 13.10. Applications are running slower, boot got also slower, any suggestion on what should I do? or just re-install the OS?
[13:43] <ochosi> Bosi: very hard to give you good advice based on this amount of information
[13:43] <ochosi> you could try a clean install if you have the time&resources
[13:44] <ochosi> but hard to judge whether it's going to help as long as it's not clear what causes your slowness
[13:45] <m3kk> Bosi, perhaps restricted graphics driver got disabled after update? check them
[13:45] <Bosi> ochosi, well, it is not a RAM problem, even the CPU monitor doesn't reflect how slow it is... I really have no clue.
[13:45] <cfhowlett> Bosi, clean install is my suggestion.   you can save your data in a separate /home and install (probably) without losing your data.
[13:46] <Bosi> cfhowlett,  yeah, I might do that... kind of frustrating though.  things were running pretty smooth on 13.04.
[13:47] <cfhowlett> Bosi, clean install is like spring clean.
[13:47] <cfhowlett> cleaning
[13:48] <cfhowlett> Bosi, also, unless your really NEED the latest ubuntu, consider that you're only getting 6 months support.  LTS gets 5 years support and a new version every 2 years.  just sayin ...
[13:48] <miarf> i wish the lts had sane color schemes for the terminal
[13:48] <Bosi> yeah, I made the mistake of starting with the 13.04...
[13:49] <GridCube> you can easily change that
[13:49] <miarf> yes, by installing another terminal program
[13:49] <GridCube> no
[13:49] <cfhowlett> Bosi, if you stay with 13.10, next LTS arrives in 6 months; 14.04
[13:49] <GridCube> just change the colors miarf :/
[13:49] <miarf> that's not convenient
[13:49] <GridCube> you can do what ever you want to the colors
[13:50] <miarf> say I have a break at work and I pop in the livecd into a random machine that happens to be available
[13:50] <GridCube> you can use an image as background, you can make it transparent, you can put any color scheme you wish
[13:50] <miarf> although for that purpose there's no need for the LTS anyway
[13:50] <miarf> i'm mostly annoyed by the design decision of having a gray background with black text as the only preset
[13:51] <GridCube> o_O its the only preset?
[13:51] <miarf> it is, isn't it?
[13:51] <GridCube> no
[13:52] <GridCube> you should have like 10 default presets
[13:52] <miarf> interesting, let's take a look
[13:52] <miarf> i may just remember wrong
[13:52] <guythatneedhelp> hello
[13:52] <GridCube> !hi | guythatneedhelp
[13:52] <qwertz__> miarf,  just install the fish shell and be happy about the colors
[13:53] <guythatneedhelp> i have installed new xubu 13.10 and i cant add new account
[13:53] <GridCube> guythatneedhelp, how did you tried to do so?
[13:53] <guythatneedhelp> from graphic level *(user & groups)
[13:54] <miarf> qwertz__: there are dozens of such solutions and I can change the colors, but those are solutions to something that shouldn't exist in the first place :P
[13:55] <GridCube> miarf, not really, you are the first person i've ever heard complaining about this
[13:55] <miarf> ok
[13:55] <miarf> (and you have spoken to every xubuntu user :)
[13:55] <GridCube> as is a fairly easy and super simple to set up anything to your pleasure
[13:56] <GridCube> no, but im here everyday hearing complains and problems
[13:56] <qwertz__> yeah, i remember i nice editor for that...
[13:56] <cfhowlett> xfce terminal doesn't have color preset other than default, but there are no shortage of add-on shells to color and/or beautify as you will
[13:56] <qwertz__> btw, i couldn't resist and started a dist-upgrade to 13.10
[13:56] <miarf> it mostly gets tedious when you pop in the livecd multiple times a day, and it's a minor inconvenience
[13:56] <cfhowlett> qwertz_, enjoy your 6 months ...
[13:57] <cfhowlett> :)
[13:57] <miarf> but still, given that 12.04 has very few other issues for me, this is the one that stands out
[13:57] <qwertz__> so far: some error message on upgrading tex-common with an emacs process batch processing some elisp file
[13:57] <GridCube> cfhowlett, :/ then why i do have a bunch of presets, i know im on 13.04, but why would i have them and you wont?
[13:57] <cfhowlett> GridCube, I'm on 12.04 ...
[13:57] <miarf> aren't we talking about the LTS?
[13:57] <GridCube> oh
[13:58] <GridCube> right
[13:58] <cfhowlett> GridCube, AND on ubuntustudio so it's possible that the terminal preset were not carried over
[13:58] <cfhowlett> miarf, 13.10 isn't LTS
[13:58] <miarf> cfhowlett: indeed
[13:58] <GridCube> well i dont have a 12.04 iso here so i cant test
[13:58] <miarf> i'm not talking about 13.10
[13:58] <qwertz__> oh, i just realised that 14.04 will be LTS
[13:58] <cfhowlett> miarf, I just checked my ubuntu studio.  no terminal color presets on the xfce terminal
[13:59] <qwertz__> let's hope for xfce 4.12 then
[13:59] <miarf> yeah i had a vm with 12.04 on it, it's this stuff: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16485163/terminal.JPG
[13:59]  * cfhowlett ... old neckbeard voice: I remember when the only color we NEEDED for terminals was green!
[13:59] <miarf> that's a pretty nonstandard colour scheme that messes up a bunch of terminal programs visually
[14:00] <miarf> but i repeat, it's a minor inconvenience and a pet peeve
[14:02] <GridCube> oh right miarf thats because 12.04 is still on xfce 4.8
[14:03] <miarf> but the older versions didn't have that
[14:03] <miarf> oh well
[14:32] <m3kk> Alright guys, i wanted to try out unity for the sake of comparision and i dont want to install full fledged ubuntu-desktop so i did install just unity, but lightdm does not show Unity as a session. is there any way around this? Install differnt login manager?
[14:33] <DavePearson> afternnon all
[14:37] <DavePearson> hi all, just done a distro upgrade from 13.04 t0 13.10 and the volume control from the top panel is missing.. when i Try to add it back in its not is the list of item available.
[14:38] <miarf> updated a recently installed 13.04 to 13.10 today as well, got all kinds of graphical glitches on the desktop
[14:38] <DavePearson> can anyone one advise what program launcher i can add to the panel to solve this
[14:39] <GridCube> DavePearson, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1208204
[14:39] <GridCube> see comment 5
[14:40] <GridCube> blame gtk3
[14:40] <GridCube> DavePearson, comment 41 has also another solution
[14:41] <DavePearson> cheers mate.. wierd thing.. it never did this in beta test for me.. :-)
[14:42] <GridCube> DavePearson, it has been an issue for too long but the fix hasnt reach the correct place yet
[14:43] <GridCube> we hope that for 14.04 it will be fixed properly
[14:58] <genii> For a minute I wondered if he was of Pearson Computing, the guy that made the Trinity offshoot of Kubuntu
[14:58] <S-USA> Sysi: Clean reinstall of Ubuntu Studio just to make sure my problem wasn't i3 gett.ing in the way
[15:00] <S-USA> Pity if i3 screwed up xfce4-notifyd (it isn't even needed in i3)
[15:01] <brainwash> simply remove "dunst" instead of reinstallting...
[15:01] <brainwash> i3 recommends dunst as notifaction daemon
[15:02] <brainwash> so don't install random stuff :)
[15:03] <S-USA> brainwash: So it must have switched to dunst as its notifier daemon... is that what you're saying?
[15:05] <brainwash> right, sort of, both daemon are running, but only one of them receives the dbus messages
[15:06] <S-USA> brainwash: Would I then just dpkg-reconfigure to select the default notifier, or what?
[15:07] <brainwash> remove the unneeded one
[15:08] <S-USA> brainwash: Ah.
[15:15] <xubuntu500> i want back the blackbirdtheme, is there any way
[15:15] <phoo> hello, all.  Quick question that's probably dumb, but I'll ask anyway -- I saw the upgrade for xubuntu 13.10 from 13.04 today, but when I click "upgrade now" the popup talks about ubuntu 13.10, rather than xubuntu.  Is that still the upgrade I want to do, or is there some other way to get to the xubuntu upgrade?  I /really/ don't want my desktop to get changed to ubuntu/gnome.
[15:19] <FiremanEd> xubuntu500: Check around http://xfce-look.org and see if it's a theme still downloadable.
[15:20] <xubuntu500> thank you, I will try it
[15:23] <FiremanEd> phoo: Did you originally install Xubuntu or Regular Ubuntu?
[15:23] <phoo> xubuntu
[15:23] <FiremanEd> You should not have a problem then  =)
[15:24] <phoo> the original popup from update says "there's an upgrade to xubuntu 13.10" but then the "release notes" screen says "Welcome to Ubuntu 13.10 'Saucy Salamander'
[15:24] <phoo> The Ubuntu team is proud to announce Ubuntu 13.10 'Saucy Salamander'."
[15:24] <phoo> Okay, so I should be able to click "upgrade" and it won't mess up the settings I just put in yesterday?    :)  (So I guess that means I don't have too much to lose...)
[15:25] <FiremanEd> It won't
[15:25] <phoo> cool.  thanks!
[15:26] <FiremanEd> backup backup backup if in doubt
[15:33] <guanyu_> does anyone experience sound and wifi issues after upgrading to 13.10?
[15:33] <MegaQuaggan> Yes. My sound randomly stopped working altogether and I haven't been able to fix it.
[15:36] <guanyu_> i was not able to connect wifi, but networks are being detected
[15:37] <xubuntuuser> hi
[15:38] <xubuntuuser> how can i fix sound indicator problem in xubuntu 13.10?
[15:38] <ChogyDan> !notes
[15:38] <ChogyDan> xubuntuuser: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu   check known problems
[15:43] <MegaQuaggan> xubuntuuser: what problems are you having?
[15:45] <guanyu_> me?
[15:49] <phoo> MegaQuaggan: does this help? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1208204  (I ask in case I need it, too.  About to start the upgrade)
[15:51] <gdos> just upgraded to 13.10 and have the a similar problem: sound volume control is missing and can't figure out how to get to the mixer. right now only output is going to some dummy device.
[15:53] <phoo> comment 41 here --
[15:53] <phoo> opps: missed a closing quote
[15:53] <phoo> chad@chad-VirtualBox:~$ cat /usr/share/dbus-1/services/indicator-sound.service[D-BUS Service]
[15:53] <phoo> Name=com.canonical.indicator.sound
[15:53] <phoo> Exec=/bin/sh -c 'if [ -n "$(ps -U $USER | grep xfce4-panel)" ]; then /usr/lib/indicator-sound-gtk2/indicator-sound-service;else /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/indicator-sound/indicator-sound-service;fi'
[15:53] <phoo> bah.
[15:53] <phoo> good thing that is the answer and not some random paste buffer.  :-D
[15:55] <MegaQuaggan> gdos: a temporary workaround is to go to your applications menu and drag the mixer on to your panel to create a quick launcher
[16:06] <GridCube> phoo, you will need it, its a unavoidable issue sadly :(
[16:12] <gdos> MegaQuaggan: where and what's it called?
[16:18] <GridCube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1208204
[16:18] <GridCube> gdos, ^ there are a bunch of workarounds there
[16:18] <GridCube> also you can just create a launcher for pavucontrol
[16:19] <gdos> ok, i tried 'Exec=/usr/lib/indicator-sound-gtk2/indicator-sound-service' - nothing happened.
[16:20] <jk_> Installed 13.10 in a vbox VM yesterday. and attempting to open a shared folder puts thunar into an infinite loop. anyone else seeing this sort of thing?
[16:20] <gdos> just ran 'pavucontrol' - no hardware devices show. only dummy virtual device.
[16:22] <GridCube> gdos, see in the last tab if the devices are being configured incorrectly
[16:23] <miarf> jk_: i'll give it a try now
[16:25] <jk_> miarf, i should mention my vbox is 4.2.18; haven't moved up to 4.3 yet
[16:25] <miarf> mine is 4.2.16 it seems
[16:25] <miarf> what's your host os, for reference?
[16:26] <jk_> miarf, host is xubuntu 12.04.3 LTS
[16:26] <miarf> ok
[16:26] <miarf> win7 x64 here
[16:27] <jk_> miarf, both host and guest here are 32-bit versions; shared folders from WinXP guests work just fine.
[16:27] <miarf> ok
[16:28] <miarf> i find myself only using 32-bit versions of linux distributios, based on nothing really
[16:28] <miarf> mostly because the memory handling is sane and it's supposedly more compatible
[16:41] <Toxicshadow> hi all, does anyone use serpeate x screens here?
[17:11] <gdos> GridCube: which #?
[17:11] <gdos> GridCube: says no cards available for configuration.
[17:12] <gdos> so i'm thinking i need to re-install the hardware drivers?
[17:13] <xubuntu477> wow dead in here
[17:14] <miarf> based on 1 minute?
[17:14] <xubuntu477> based on the amount of people in here 1 minute should be plenty
[17:14] <miarf> ok, got off on the wrong foot
[17:15] <xubuntu477> =D no worries
[17:15] <miarf> most people here probably make use of shells and aren't 24/7 glued to the screen
[17:15] <miarf> but you can ask your question and someone will probably reply without too much delay
[17:15] <xubuntu477> new to linux so i have no idea where to start
[17:16] <xubuntu477> makin the change from windows. tired of it.
[17:16] <miarf> makes sense
[17:16] <miarf> what seems to be the biggest problem so far
[17:17] <xubuntu477> a lot of people seem to understand linux by having used it for a while and I am just learning and it's difficult to find walkthroughs and guides
[17:17] <miarf> yeah
[17:18] <miarf> many irc channels, especially at freenode, are full of really snubby people
[17:18] <miarf> the first step to actually enjoying a gnu/linux system and learning to use it to ignore the sarcasm
[17:19] <miarf> the next one is to realize that installing software is usually completely different from the windows world
[17:19] <xubuntu477> ^^ realized that one
[17:19] <miarf> yeah
[17:20] <xubuntu477> lol i apologize for the mishap a few moments ago. didn't mean to offend if i did
[17:20] <miarf> the distributions' software centers (and later apt (aptitude)) usually become pretty intuitive pretty fast
[17:20] <miarf> xubuntu477: you didn't
[17:20] <legg1> what on earth
[17:21] <legg1> apache2: Syntax error on line 239 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/authz_default.load: No such file or directory
[17:21] <legg1> out of the blue
[17:21] <miarf> also a good rule of thumb is that if something doesn't work out-of-the-box, fixing it usually requires making use of the terminal, which can be intimidating, but then again googling usually yields all the right commands
[17:21] <miarf> legg1: vanilla apache2 installation on 13.10, or a migrated server?
[17:22] <xubuntu477> yeah got a little experience but not much in CentOS... <-headache
[17:22] <legg1> vanilla, only with rewrite enabled
[17:22] <legg1> it's worked all day, just suddenly died
[17:22] <legg1> SIGTERM first
[17:23] <miarf> doesn't that sound like ye olde bug
[17:23] <legg1> the file is there, but it's red
[17:23] <legg1> :o
[17:23] <legg1> no such file or directory, except it's there :P
[17:23] <miarf> and it's not a problem with access rights?
[17:24] <legg1> nop, it just stopped
[17:24] <legg1> unless my 13.04->13.10 just steamrolled through apache
[17:25] <legg1> doing dist upgrade
[17:26] <miarf> sounds like a pain to fix
[17:26] <xubuntu477> this is gonna take some getting used to
[17:27] <miarf> xubuntu477: try to get the hang of the file system, ie. /
[17:27] <miarf> that combined with the software center will probably get you pretty far
[17:27] <legg1> reboot as it's done. let us hope!
[17:28] <xubuntu477> Trying to figure out how to go about getting cod4 1.6 servers to work. some say wine, some say playonlinux.
[17:28] <miarf> ah, you're starting in the deep end
[17:29] <miarf> seeing as how cod4 doesn't have a linux server, you might find yourself having to install a bunch of required stuff
[17:29] <xubuntu477> i have retail files from a windows install backed up along with configs for them. converting the hold thing over is the pain
[17:29] <legg1> hm
[17:29] <legg1> the new loginscreen in 13.10 looks smooth
[17:29] <miarf> wine's winetricks might do it for you, if you're lucky
[17:30] <miarf> also if you're running a server, you'll want to enable the firewall (as best practice)
[17:30] <miarf> sudo ufw enable
[17:30] <miarf> sudo ufw allow <cod port number(s)>
[17:30] <xubuntu477> ive seen cod4-server-1.6.zip binaries and such but everytime i open it i get "Unexpected end of archive" like its corrupted
[17:31] <xubuntu477> does xubuntu use iptables?
[17:31] <miarf> yeah, ufw is a frontend for iptables
[17:31] <legg1> oyeah, now my webserver works again
[17:31] <miarf> ufw makes it a whole lot less of a pain imo
[17:31] <xubuntu477> I know that cod4 servers suffer from dos floods
[17:31] <miarf> but the error you're getting really does sound like a corrupt archive
[17:32] <xubuntu477> and limiting GetStatus packets to so many lowers attack effectiveness by dropping the connection if the flood starts.
[17:32] <miarf> sounds reasonable, once your server is up and running
[17:33] <xubuntu477> exactly. currently I have CentOS installed on the server and im stumped with that... too many things in it I wont ever use
[17:33] <xubuntu477> Trying to look at something a little more simplistic
[17:34] <xubuntu477> basic... cod4 servers and iptables is pretty much all i need and the know how
[17:35] <miarf> xubuntu477: for now you can just turn iptables off
[17:35] <miarf> there isn't going to be anything malicious listening to anything on a fresh install
[17:36] <legg1> xubuntu477, are you planning on running the cod server via wine? :o
[17:36] <xubuntu477> I have no idea guys. thats what im trying to figure out. new to linux
[17:36] <legg1> http://www.fpsadmin.com/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=10
[17:36] <legg1> here's the cod 1.6 linux server
[17:37] <ur0pl> control + f5 doesn't work in my browser because it is binded to go to workspace 5
[17:37] <xubuntu477> thats the link to the archive that keeps saying "unexpected end of archive" when i try to open it
[17:37] <ur0pl> is there a way to fix that
[17:38] <xubuntu477> opening in windows so i dont know if that could be the problem. trying to do research before i migrate with the flock
[17:38] <legg1> ur0pl, you might be able to bind a new key for the full refresh/cache clearing with https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/shortcut-manager/mgjjeipcdnnjhgodgjpfkffcejoljijf
[17:39] <legg1> downloading the codlinux-server-1.6.zip now to see if it gets corrupted here as well, xubuntu477
[17:39] <xubuntu477> k
[17:40] <xubuntu477> I am trying to open it in windows 7, not sure if thats related.
[17:40] <m3kk> i get crashes from /usr/bin/software-properties-gtk when trying to view propierty drivers?
[17:40] <legg1> zip is zip
[17:40] <legg1> shouldnt matter
[17:41] <xubuntu477> thats what i figured too
[17:41] <dougbb> howdy ... just did the 13.10 upgrade, and my volume knob disappeared from my panel
[17:42] <legg1> hehe mine's just 3 dashes in a row :P
[17:42] <m3kk> dougbb, happened exactly the same.. it crashes when i try to do something about it
[17:42] <vrkalak> maybe, you don't it
[17:42] <Poisoned_Dragon> legg1, sound indicator?
[17:42] <dougbb> any suggestions on how to get it back?  Sound is working, just no volume control
[17:42] <legg1> ye
[17:43] <m3kk> legg1, same here, its greyed out with three dashes
[17:43] <legg1> ye
[17:43] <legg1> probably be a update soon
[17:43] <Poisoned_Dragon> legg1, m3kk, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1208204
[17:43] <vrkalak> my 13.10 xfce works fine
[17:43] <Poisoned_Dragon> Follow comment 5
[17:43] <m3kk> vrkalak, xubuntu or xfce+ubuntu ?
[17:43] <m3kk> Poisoned_Dragon, thanks
[17:43] <legg1> im in xfce (xubuntu) where this happens
[17:43] <vrkalak> xubuntu
[17:44] <m3kk> oh ok
[17:44] <m3kk> Im on UNITY right now lol.. just installed "sudo apt-get install unity" so much things are missing..raelly bareboned
[17:44] <m3kk> lal
[17:44] <Poisoned_Dragon> After you make the change, logout and log back in
[17:44] <legg1> sweet, worked nicely Poisoned_Dragon
[17:44] <m3kk> shiet, talking in wrong channel again sorry
[17:44] <Poisoned_Dragon> Or not, legg1. lol ymmv
[17:45] <qwertz__> good morning. my laptop running 13.10 goes to sleep when i close the lid although i configured otherwise. this was different (as configured) in 13.04. what can i do about that?
[17:47] <xubuntu477> hey legg1 dL finish?
[17:47] <legg1> oh yeh
[17:47] <legg1> forgot
[17:47] <legg1> sec
[17:47] <xubuntu477> lol
[17:47] <legg1> nop, zipfile is porked
[17:47] <xubuntu477> D=
[17:48] <xubuntu477> not cool
[17:48] <legg1> bunzip, tar, zip, nothing works
[17:48] <legg1> not rar either
[17:49] <xubuntu477> Thats why i started looking at wine or playonlinux<= not sure if that one will even work lol
[17:49] <xubuntu477> i know wine has had some success.
[17:49] <legg1> ok fixed it
[17:49] <legg1> do "zip -FF cod* --out codfixed.zip"
[17:49] <legg1> then it works
[17:49] <xubuntu477> huh? lol
[17:49] <xubuntu477> <-noob here
[17:49] <legg1> ye, fix broken archive
[17:50] <xubuntu477> running windows still.
[17:50] <legg1> just download it to linux, do "zip -FF cod* --out codfixed.zip"
[17:50] <xubuntu477> trying to learn before i migrate.
[17:50] <Poisoned_Dragon> playonlinux relys on wine. It's not independent of it.
[17:50] <legg1> then unzip codfixed.zip
[17:50] <qwertz__> also, the sleep button makes 13.10 go to sleep although i configured "Ask" as an action
[17:50] <Poisoned_Dragon> playonlinux just helps with configuration
[17:50] <xubuntu477> oh... didnt know dragon
[17:50] <legg1> POL is pretty much Cedega/Crossover, just free :P
[17:50] <xubuntu477> ohhh. i see
[17:51] <xubuntu477> gonna take me a while to get used to  -FF --out blah blah blah
[17:51] <xubuntu477> im used to the good old "cuhlick" done
[17:52] <xubuntu477> so legg1
[17:53] <xubuntu477> where the heck to i put that in at? terminal i know. but have to be in root? any -aptget stuff?
[17:53] <xubuntu477> like i said linux/buntu nub
[17:54] <legg1> nah just download the codfile, then go "cd ~/Downloads" (if you use english)
[17:54] <legg1> mkdir codlinux
[17:54] <legg1> zip -FF....
[17:54] <legg1> unzip codfixed.zip codlinux/
[17:54] <xubuntu477> you're gonna make me cry...
[17:54] <gdos> so i have NO SOUND after upgrading from 13.04 to 13.10 - suggestions?
[17:55] <gdos> it appears the hardware drivers are NOT loading.
[17:55] <legg1> check the settings manager > software sources > additional drivers
[17:55] <legg1> then click on your audio driver, apply/activate or something, then it should be fine
[17:56] <legg1> wut nvidia 319 works after 13.10 upgrade
[17:58] <Poisoned_Dragon> gdos, no sound at all?
[17:58] <xubuntu477> gonna go have a smoke. brb. ya'll and your codes and your cheats and your.... --a -ff -0 blah blah
[17:58] <gdos> Poinsoned_Dragon: nope. none at all.
[17:58] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol
[17:59] <legg1> wat, several tray icons takes a turn for the worse, if i change settings
[17:59] <legg1> if i add radiostations to radiotray, it goes into the same mode as the volum indicator was
[18:00] <GridCube> legg1, yes, the indicators are gtk3
[18:00] <legg1> ah, so it's all gtk3 being a little haywire?
[18:00] <GridCube> xfce4 panel doesnt support gtk3 indicators
[18:00] <legg1> ough
[18:00] <GridCube> no
[18:00] <GridCube> there are workarounds
[18:00] <GridCube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1208204
[18:00] <legg1> That one is sorted
[18:01] <GridCube> yes
[18:01] <Poisoned_Dragon> My radio tray works fine
[18:01] <Poisoned_Dragon> And I'm on Ubuntu Studio
[18:01] <Poisoned_Dragon> Which uses xfce
[18:03] <brainwash> bug 1238997
[18:03] <GridCube> thats the one i was looking for
[18:03] <brainwash> because everyone only complains about the non working sound indicator :)
[18:03] <gdos> any reason why my audio hardware drivers are not loading?
[18:04] <gdos> brainwash: its because don't expect things like that not to work after the upgrade. :)
[18:04] <GridCube> gdos, are you sure its not muted?
[18:04] <GridCube> in alsamixer?
[18:05] <gdos> GridCube: yep. pauvcontrol only shows virtual (dummy) devices; no hardware device is shown.
[18:05] <GridCube> do the sound card shows on lspci
[18:05] <gdos> GridCube: yep. shows on lscpi: 00:10.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
[18:07] <gdos> GridCube: and shows on alsamixer. but still no sound (volume is turned all the way up on alsamixer)
[18:08] <xubuntu477> ok legg1 anyway i can get a direct link to that... dont have linux just yet
[18:08] <GridCube> gdos, try going to a guest user and see if you still have this issue
[18:08] <legg1> link to what ?
[18:08] <gdos> GridCube OK BRB
[18:08] <GridCube> also see that your user ispart of the audio group
[18:08] <gdos> GridCube: user is.
[18:09] <xubuntu477> that zip... :'( pweez?
[18:09] <legg1> sec
[18:09] <legg1> http://www.fpsadmin.com/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=10
[18:09] <legg1> the fixed zip is still 80mb ish, so i cant upload it
[18:09] <legg1> got terrible connection
[18:10] <xubuntu477> oh... how would i fix it? using windows environment?
[18:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> you mean download it?
[18:10] <xubuntu477> na the zip is corrupt or something
[18:11] <xubuntu477> says unexpected end of archive
[18:11] <xubuntu477> not sure if the contents are jacked too
[18:11] <miarf> it's corrupt alright
[18:12] <metallifanca> hi everyone :)
[18:12] <xubuntu477> hey
[18:14] <xubuntu477> think i got it... using winrar... hit repair archive and it gave me a rebuilt.blah blah.zip
[18:15] <qwertz__> 13.10 also breaks python-nose. running nosetests gives me a weird "raise DistributionNotFound" where something asks for old school nose 1.1.2
[18:15] <xubuntu477> opened it and no more error. not sure if they are still in tact
[18:16] <KeyboardNotFound> How to change xubuntu 13.10 user login picture ?
[18:16] <KeyboardNotFound> I mean on the picture left od username
[18:16] <GridCube> KeyboardNotFound, http://www.smdavis.us/2013/07/27/mugshot-quick-and-easy-user-config/
[18:16] <GridCube> :) will be default on 14.04
[18:17] <SonikkuAmerica> KeyboardNotFound: Applications > System > Users and Groups (unless it's in the Settings Manager)
[18:17] <xubuntu477> legg1 after repairing it i now have an images folder in archive... ???
[18:17] <legg1> huh ?
[18:17] <xubuntu477> yeah... i dont get it
[18:18] <xubuntu477> hit repair with winrar... opens now with no error but now i have an images folder... looks like it contains relevant game files
[18:18] <GridCube> SonikkuAmerica, see the same link i posted
[18:18] <KeyboardNotFound> SonikkuAmerica, I'm in user and groups settings, but I don't see picture edit :/
[18:18] <GridCube> KeyboardNotFound, see the link please
[18:18] <SonikkuAmerica> GridCube: Preposterous - yeah, KeyboardNotFound , the link.
[18:18] <SonikkuAmerica> Why must they do that to us? O_o
[18:19] <GridCube> who knows
[18:19] <GridCube> :) 14.04 will have mugshot by default
[18:20]  * SonikkuAmerica is starting to think 13.10 will become another Oneiric
[18:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> How so?
[18:27] <qwertz__> is there any way to ask apt-get or synaptic about which package a given file belongs to?
[18:28] <dougbb> so FWIW, none of the workarounds on the volume control bug worked for me, however installing Volti did the trick
[18:28] <brainwash> qwertz__: dpkg -S <file>
[18:28] <dougbb> hopefully they will get that fixed in a future update, it's rather disappointing that the issue was known in the early phases of development, but not fixed for release :-/
[18:29] <Poisoned_Dragon> Volti?
[18:30] <dougbb> it's in the software center
[18:30] <qwertz__> brainwash,  thanks, that helped
[18:30] <KeyboardNotFound> Can I change user picture without mugshot ?
[18:30] <dougbb> I did a search for volume :)
[18:30] <Poisoned_Dragon> yup, KeyboardNotFound
[18:31] <KeyboardNotFound> Poisoned_Dragon, how ?
[18:31] <Poisoned_Dragon> KeyboardNotFound, I just put a picture in my home folder and call it ".face"
[18:31] <Poisoned_Dragon> make sure it's square
[18:31] <KeyboardNotFound> Poisoned_Dragon, thanks for help :P
[18:32] <qwertz__> brainwash,  thanks again. problem solved.
[18:33] <brainwash> qwertz__: great :)
[18:34] <qwertz__> for completeness: python-nose was broken because i apparently had some old nosetests script that i have installed from sources. rm'd it so that python-nose's one would be run instead.
[18:35] <miarf> did the python keep its nose white
[18:36] <KeyboardNotFound> Can I participate for xubuntu ?
[18:37] <GridCube> KeyboardNotFound, yes, just make an image named .face thats 96x96 and place it in your homw
[18:37] <GridCube> that should change your image profile
[18:37] <GridCube> KeyboardNotFound, http://xubuntu.org/contribute/
[18:37] <KeyboardNotFound> GridCube, thanks for help :P I changed my profile picture :)
[18:40] <SonikkuAmerica> lol @ extension .face
[18:41] <GridCube> P: theres no extension
[18:41] <legg1> not an extension. just hidden profile pic
[18:41] <legg1> starting with a dot, makes it automatically hidden
[18:42]  * GridCube meant that, and knew SonikkuAmerica also knows that P:
[18:46] <xubuntu477> ok... i think i have blood coming out of my ears... my brain is bleeding
[18:47] <SonikkuAmerica> xubuntu477: That doesn't sound like an Xubuntu issue at all! :P
[18:47] <xubuntu477> shoulda started with linux at a younger age lol
[18:49] <xubuntu477> would anyone know if this is a proper guide to starting cod4 servers? http://modernsquadpt.forumeiros.com/t30-guide-starting-cod4-linux-dedicated-server
[18:50] <xubuntu477> whether it will work in xubuntu
[18:50] <miarf> well it seems to be from 2008
[18:51] <dougbb> this may be more of an #ubuntu question, but it appears that the ia32-libs package has gone away in 13.10, however I need it .... is there a substitute?
[18:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> dougbb, It's possible that it's not one package anymore. They probably just have i386 counterparts to the x86_64 libs in the repos
[18:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> They probably just get installed as needed now
[18:52] <xubuntu477> miarf: you have a good idea as to what I am trying to accomplish, any advice?
[18:52] <miarf> not really, seeing as how I have no experience with cod servers, sorry
[18:53] <dougbb> Poisoned_Dragon: this page seems to explain it, but I don't see the multiarch package in synaptic: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+package/ia32-libs-multiarch
[18:53] <xubuntu638> hello
[18:53] <miarf> i mean optimally you'd just install wine and start up the windows server, but it seems to be more complicated than that
[18:53] <xubuntu477> I can manage configs and such. just getting them... "working" persay
[18:54] <xubuntu638> I can´t update xubuntu 7 to 12. I need help
[18:54] <dougbb> xubuntu638: you'd be MUCH better off backing up your data and doing a clean install
[18:55] <dougbb> Poisoned_Dragon: any idea what I need to do to get that package to show up?
[18:55] <Poisoned_Dragon> There is no package now, dougbb. It was transitioned out.
[18:55] <Poisoned_Dragon> all i386 libs have i386 in their name.
[18:56] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, the individual libs get pulled as needed
[18:56] <legg1> wut,x ubuntu 7 to 12
[18:56] <legg1> that's a massive upgrade
[18:57] <miarf> and it's nuts
[18:57] <dougbb> Poisoned_Dragon: maybe i'm misreading that page, but it seems to say that there should be a ia32-libs-multiarch package
[18:57] <miarf> do what dougbb said and do perform a clean install
[18:57] <Poisoned_Dragon> dougbb, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/i386/ia32-libs-multiarch/20090808ubuntu36
[18:57] <dougbb> my problem is that I'm using 3rd party stuff that needs 32 bit libs
[18:58] <Poisoned_Dragon> If the 3rd party stuff is in a deb package, that package should be able to pull the i386 libs that it needs. If it doesn't, it might not be something you want to try and install.
[18:59] <Poisoned_Dragon> with that said, look at that multiarch package. It might be like a meta package to get all da i386 libs.
[18:59] <dougbb> Poisoned_Dragon: it's something I need, and it was working fine with 13.04  :)
[19:01] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol
[19:01] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, I use skype and it still works after the update. It uses i386 libs.
[19:02] <GridCube> xubuntu638, you should really, really, backup and do a clean install
[19:02] <GridCube> it would be the sanest thing
[19:02] <dougbb> thanks for the help
[19:05] <xubuntu477> ok after a lot of searching I cant find a guide for getting cod4 servers to run using xubuntu. Any other guides that anyone knows would be pretty much the same?
[19:06] <miarf> is a win server out of the question?
[19:06] <xubuntu477> using windows you mean? or wine?
[19:06] <miarf> windows
[19:08] <legg1> http://callofduty2.infinity-shell.net/howtos/Call_of_Duty_2_Linux_Guide_v1.01.pdf
[19:08] <legg1> there you go
[19:10] <Copy> Does anybody know on the world which folders contains the look except themes and icons? because i copied over but doesn't look the same
[19:10] <xubuntu477> cant do windows cuz of udp floods, see here http://blog.connexeon.com/topics/sysadmin/networking/
[19:11] <miarf> windows firewall allows proper rules
[19:12] <xubuntu477> I looked and looked. couldnt find any.
[19:14] <miarf> you can find "windows firewall with advanced security" in the start menu search at least, iirc
[19:14] <xubuntu477> see unfortunately i could just block the ip but they constantly change at one point it was being hit by 5 different udp floods at the same time
[19:14] <xubuntu477> no i can find it. it just doesnt have the rule i need
[19:15] <dro> hi everybody
[19:15] <miarf> if you're getting udp floods from random ips, i don't see how you'd avoid that with a different firewall
[19:15] <dro> first time here :)
[19:15] <miarf> allowing only certain ports for incoming traffic will not work
[19:15] <miarf> and udp is stateless anyway
[19:15] <dro> I'm here because I just have installed the last release of xubuntu (13.10)
[19:16] <xubuntu477> right.
[19:16] <xubuntu477> i was looking at # Outbound UDP Flood protection in a user defined chain. iptables -N udp-flood iptables -A OUTPUT -p udp -j udp-flood iptables -A udp-flood -p udp -m limit --limit 50/s --limit-burst 100 -j RETURN iptables -A udp-flood -j LOG --log-level 4 --log-prefix 'UDP-flood attempt: ' iptables -A udp-flood -j DROP
[19:16] <dro> and the volume button in the taskbar is showing "---"
[19:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> dro, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1208204
[19:16] <miarf> ok, so you're looking at flood protection, where the firewall will block ports actively based on traffic
[19:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> Read Comment #5, dro.
[19:16] <xubuntu477> I seen another one that drops after so many GetStatus packets from one ip
[19:17] <miarf> that does make sense i suppose
[19:17] <dro> Poisoned_Dragon,  thanks a lot, I read that
[19:17] <xubuntu477> so now here i am stuck trying to learn this stuff... headaches
[19:18] <dro> Poisoned_Dragon,  just changed the line, i'm probably stupid, but do I have to reboot to see the changes ?
[19:18] <xubuntu477> i can figure out how to use iptables... terminal i can figure out. but I don't know how to get cod4 servers to run on linux lol
[19:18] <Poisoned_Dragon> dro, log out and log back in
[19:19] <dro> okay, I keep you in touch :)
[19:19] <miarf> xubuntu477: you might want to check whether your router, if any, has flood protection
[19:19] <xubuntu477> i have the linux server files but have no idea what to do with them. im looking at the guide legg1 gave me
[19:20] <xubuntu477> zywall usg 50... it does but with monthly fees and they can blow me... box didnt say anything about fees
[19:20] <xubuntu477> i mean yearly fees
[19:20] <dro> Poisoned_Dragon,  it works perfectly!
[19:20] <xubuntu477> using app patrol
[19:20] <dro> Poisoned_Dragon,  you're the man
[19:20] <xubuntu477> idp or adp
[19:20] <xubuntu477> not sure
[19:20] <xubuntu477> one way or another. i have it set up and it doesnt block it.
[19:21] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol, not really, dro. I had to google for that fix, myself.
[19:21] <dro> Poisoned_Dragon,  can we say that this problem is because the release is really young ? (i'm new in Lunix)
[19:21] <dro> Linux :p
[19:21] <Poisoned_Dragon> I dunno why it is a problem. :(
[19:21] <dro> Poisoned_Dragon, you had the same problem ?
[19:21] <miarf> xubuntu477: you might not be able to block a ddos without a local firewall in the first place, though
[19:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> They might be transitioning with some things and forgot to set it themselves before release.
[19:22] <miarf> xubuntu477: *with
[19:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> Wouldn't be surprised if there is a 13.10.1 soon.
[19:22] <xubuntu477> i will drop the connection to the specific ip that is on the udp packet header so they arent spammed
[19:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> yes, dro
[19:22] <dro> yeah let's say this then...
[19:22] <xubuntu477> therefore stopping the flood before it gets obnoxious
[19:23] <dro> Poisoned_Dragon, but anyway, thanks for the quick answer, really a pleasure. Just in case, do you have an ATI GC ?
[19:23] <xubuntu477> basically i am looking at setting iptables to temporarily "ban" ips based on getStatus floods
[19:23] <miarf> xubuntu477: you're not really dropping an active connection because it's udp, you're blocking certain incoming ports and i really dunno how well that's combatable with iptables
[19:23] <Poisoned_Dragon> ATI GC?
[19:23] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh
[19:23] <dro> ^^
[19:23] <Poisoned_Dragon> Graphics card
[19:23] <dro> yup sorry
[19:24] <dro> just in case, I didn't install mine yet, but I'm thinking about that
[19:24] <miarf> but i'm certainly curious whether it works
[19:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> I have a mobo in another pc that has an integrated ATI HD3k chip
[19:24] <miarf> let's hope it does
[19:24] <xubuntu477> cant iptables be set to drop certain packets based on keywords?
[19:24] <dro> ah yeah ok
[19:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> I don't use the ATI drivers for it
[19:24] <xubuntu477> like GetStatus or GetInfo
[19:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> If your card is HD5k or newer, the drivers should be fine.
[19:24] <dro> okay, then I'll try, I have nothing better to tdo tonight
[19:25] <miarf> xubuntu477: as far as I know it is
[19:25] <miarf> i'm really surprised that windows firewall doesn't take care of that kind of flood
[19:25] <dro> Poisoned_Dragon, I just install my CG because of the fan noise. Too lound without proprietary drivers
[19:25] <dro> loud*
[19:26] <xubuntu477> thats whats happening. When i look at the packet capture from the usg 50 its showing a flood of GetStatus packets and I know there is a rule to drop or "tempban" them based on how many packets per second
[19:26] <Poisoned_Dragon> ah, gotcha, dro
[19:26] <dro> then let's go, then if everything is fine, i'll come here back to say it, with model name and more
[19:26] <nantou> is 13.10 out?
[19:26] <dro> yup
[19:27] <dro> Poisoned_Dragon,  a good day/night to you, thanks for your time, and bye everybody
[19:27] <miarf> xubuntu477: i'm kinda getting the impression that should be blocked by the server software
[19:27] <xubuntu477> you mean the cod server?
[19:27] <miarf> yeah
[19:27] <Poisoned_Dragon> g'night dro
[19:28] <Poisoned_Dragon> no problem
[19:28] <xubuntu477> even with the sv_floodprotect "1" it doesnt
[19:28] <miarf> i mean if you have an open/forwarded tcp/udp port for the server software, it's just open
[19:28] <miarf> and incoming traffic will come from random ports constantly
[19:29] <miarf> that really sounds like a vulnerability in the server software
[19:29] <xubuntu477> right but based on the server port itself
[19:29] <miarf> it should incorporate flood protection based on the packets
[19:29] <xubuntu477> it definitely is... and the only fix i was able to find was iptables because of the rules that can be implimented
[19:30] <miarf> ok, sounds like the iptables rule is more like a duct tape fix for the server software's inadequacy :)
[19:30] <miarf> but yeah, i hope you get it working
[19:30] <miarf> getting windows servers to run on linux isn't that straightforward usually, in my experience
[19:31] <xubuntu477> brb
[19:32] <xubuntu477> you are right though. not straight forward
[20:10] <xubuntu285> hellou there! :D
[20:14] <Menandro> Hi! I updated Xubuntu from 13.04 to 13.10 and now the Xfce Session don't open... :(
[20:16] <ObrienDave> Does Xubuntu session open?
[20:17] <Menandro> No, it stop loading after insert login and password on a screen with only background
[20:17] <Menandro> Don't show nothing more, only background.
[20:17] <Unit193> You could try to switch to a tty and check out .cache/upstart/startxfce4.log
[20:21] <Menandro> Don't exist startxfce4.log in this directory
[20:22] <Unit193> Menandro: If you create a new user, does that one log in?
[20:25] <Menandro> New users don't log in too
[20:25] <Menandro> I started lightdm from tty
[20:25] <Menandro> and the log stops at "Activating VT 7"
[20:28] <Menandro> openConnection: connect: No such file or directory
[20:28] <Menandro> cannot connect to brltty at :0
[20:29] <Menandro> this is .xsession-errors
[20:52] <yeyeman> volume is muted after the upgrade and i cant changeit
[20:54] <Peyam> why not
[20:57] <yeyeman> i cant change the volume because when I click on the volume setting icon in the bar, the slider is not appearing
 dro, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1208204
[20:59] <yeyeman> is there any other way to bring back the sound except for the bar button?
[21:01] <xubuntu473> hi everyone
[21:02] <xubuntu473> want ask some question about xubuntu
[21:02] <xubuntu473> does anyone can help?
[21:08] <kgb> hey pplz, does anyone use a cookie manager for Firefox - something other than the built-in interface.. some localhost proxy, perhaps; something with some kind of GUI, or even, possibly, prompts?
[21:09]  * kgb rly needs to put an end to tracking =)
[21:10] <xubuntu458> How to run Shellscript for user input before login XFCE?
[21:10] <kgb> oh and the Indicator Plugin in Saucy 13.10 - you know, where the volume isn't shown!.. does anyone have that bug-report handy please, I'd like 2 take a look @ it
[21:12] <kgb> xubuntu458: add it to Settings Manager -> Session and Startup?..
[21:12] <kgb> *Application Autostart tab
[21:13] <xubuntu458> thank you for reply
[21:13] <kgb> np, hope it helps :)
[21:13] <kgb> not sure if it's the best method.. but, just make sure that the script file is marked as executable
[21:14] <kgb> *permissions
[21:14] <xubuntu458> I put it under /usr/sbin/userinput
[21:14] <xubuntu458> and give it +x
[21:16] <kgb> not 100% sure, but it may be better in /opt/ and then ln -s symbolic link-ed in /usr/local/bin/ (or just directly in the local folder)
[21:17] <xubuntu458> just move to /opt and rebooting now.
[21:17] <kgb> xubuntu458: you'll need the symbolic bc of PATH
[21:17] <kgb> I don't think /opt/ is in the list by default
[21:18] <xubuntu458> I added a symbolic link there.
[21:18] <xubuntu458> It doesn't showed up.
[21:18] <kgb> cool!..:) you can try 2 run it and see, alt+f2
[21:18] <xubuntu458> Now it ask me password for my account.
[21:19] <kgb> what does?
[21:19] <xubuntu458> it did not run my scrip
[21:20] <xubuntu458> my scrip is:
[21:20] <kgb> are u sure, maybe open up a terminal and run it in there, to see
[21:20] <xubuntu458> #!/bin/bash
[21:21] <xubuntu458> echo -n "Please input your ID:"
[21:21] <xubuntu458> read ID
[21:21] <xubuntu458> echo $ID
[21:21] <bekks> xubuntu458: You have to start a terminal and run your script then.
[21:21] <kgb> btw., you can use http://paste.ubuntu.com/ or pastebin.com for multi-line
[21:21] <kgb> ^^
[21:21] <xubuntu458> yeah
[21:22] <xubuntu458> I want this before login window
[21:22] <xubuntu458> may be can add something in the lightdm?
[21:22] <knome> xubuntu458, i don't think that's doable without some less minor code refactoring
[21:23] <bekks> knome: Why not?
[21:23] <xubuntu458> Just a simple shell before xfce start?
[21:24] <bekks> xubuntu458: No. Start a terminal inside XFCE and run your script.
[21:24] <xubuntu458> try add to /etc/init/lightdm.conf early, did not work.
[21:24] <xubuntu458> sure
[21:24] <xubuntu458> the shell works fine
[21:24] <bekks> xubuntu458: Whats the big picture at the end?
[21:25] <xubuntu458> not sure where to find the "big picture"?
[21:25] <knome> bekks, i didn't say it's impossible, i said it would need code refactoring
[21:25] <SchrodingersScat> xubuntu458: what are you actually trying to do
[21:25] <knome> xubuntu458, ^ that exactly would've been my next question
[21:26] <knome> can't the user name be the ID?
[21:26] <bekks> "id" outputs the userid ;)
[21:26] <xubuntu458> My plan to ask user/pass then use it to download a file from another server.
[21:26] <knome> if not, and you need a specific set of ID's that are non-usernames, why not link the ID's with the usernames in another way
[21:26] <knome> xubuntu458, to download a file that does what?
[21:27] <xubuntu458> some custom code
[21:27] <xubuntu458> could be anything
[21:27] <SchrodingersScat> would be neat to have it rsync your /home/ as you log in :3
[21:27] <knome> xubuntu458, and you would like to run that code before the user logged in... huh?
[21:27] <xubuntu458> right
[21:27] <knome> xubuntu458, can you give us a rea-life example?
[21:27] <knome> *real-
[21:28] <xubuntu458> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1602381
[21:28] <xubuntu458> I will create a ssh server require username/password to download file for user.
[21:28] <ultim8> yo. does anyone knows if xubuntu will recognize my galaxy s4?
[21:29] <knome> ultim8, i doubt so.
[21:29] <xubuntu458> ultim8, I am using galaxy s3, it works.
[21:29] <knome> in that case, probably.
[21:29] <ultim8> xubuntu458, something special i need to do?
[21:30] <ultim8> some software?
[21:30] <KeyboardNotFound> After upgrading my xubuntu, my apache don't parse the php files, any solution ?
[21:30] <xubuntu458> ultim8 noting special, just pulg in with micro-usb
[21:30] <knome> KeyboardNotFound, do you have php installed and its module enabled in apache? apache shouldn't parse the anyway...
[21:30] <ultim8> some software?
[21:30] <ultim8> ty
[21:30] <KeyboardNotFound> knome, yes i have
[21:30] <SchrodingersScat> KeyboardNotFound: have you restarted apache?
[21:31] <KeyboardNotFound> SchrodingersScat, yes
[21:32] <xubuntu458> continue my example: the shell scrip will crul by username/password to download a scrip, do further changes to the xubuntu.
[21:32] <xubuntu458> could be some document or so.
[21:32] <knome> xubuntu458, why wouldn't you do that *after* the user has logged in?
[21:33] <xubuntu458> I will do this in LiveCD
[21:33] <knome> for me, that makes much more sense than start to poke pre-login scripts with root access.
[21:33] <xubuntu560> Q: I upgraded to xubuntu 13.10 and my uname -a shows 3.8.0-31-generic? is this because of nvidia drivers?
[21:33] <xubuntu458> I want run my scrip/file by root before user login.
[21:35] <Poisoned_Dragon> No, that's normal, xubuntu560
[21:35] <Poisoned_Dragon> It would be the generic kernel regardless of the video drivers.
[21:36] <xubuntu560> ok, so xubuntu is not at 3.11 yet?
[21:36] <Unit193> xubuntu560: Do you have  linux-generic  installed?
[21:36] <Poisoned_Dragon> I guess not. I'm using Ubuntu Studio. So, the Kernel is 3.8
[21:36] <Poisoned_Dragon> That's because it's low-latency.
[21:36] <Unit193> Poisoned_Dragon: It's 3.11 in saucy.
[21:36] <Unit193> !info linux-image-lowlatency
[21:37] <Poisoned_Dragon> Huh, I wonder why the kernel isn't updated.
[21:37] <Poisoned_Dragon> System:    Host ROL-PD-LINUX Kernel 3.8.0-26-lowlatency x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop Xfce 4.10.2 Distro Ubuntu 13.10
[21:37] <xubuntu458> any other thought?
[21:37] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh.... it's optional.
[21:38] <bekks> xubuntu458: What is that script going to do?
[21:38] <Unit193> Poisoned_Dragon: apt-cache policy linux-image-lowlatency
[21:38] <Bosi> Hello guys, I upgraded from 13.04 to 13.10, and since then I can't watch youtube videos anymore. Tried other websites and the videos run smoothly, but on youtube the image gets stuck. Do you think there is any relationship with the upgrade thing?
[21:38] <Poisoned_Dragon> Ah, that's not installed, Unit193.
[21:39] <Unit193> Poisoned_Dragon: There's your problem. :)
[21:39] <Poisoned_Dragon> Was is suppose to be by default, in Ubuntu Studio?
[21:39] <Poisoned_Dragon> I upgraded from 13.04
[21:39] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, it was stock.
[21:39] <Unit193> Poisoned_Dragon: linux-lowlatency pulls in both the header and image metas.
[21:39] <xubuntu560> Unit193; i dont have linux-generic pkg installed
[21:40] <xubuntu458> not sure yet, maybe download and install some new pacakge like chrome
[21:40] <Poisoned_Dragon> Huh... I wonder why that wasn't done for me in the upgrade to 13.10
[21:42] <xubuntu560> when i  run apt-get install linux-generic it wants to install some packages for kernel 3.11.0-12, so this will bring me to the new kernel?
[21:42] <Unit193> Yes.
[21:42] <xubuntu458> thank you every one, special knome. I will keep finding.
[21:49] <xubuntu560> ok thanks, but are there any downsides of installing linux-generic? im not quite sure what it does exacly.
[21:51] <pepper> I have a problem with WINE if someone is available to help?
[21:52] <knome> !someone | pepper
[21:53] <Unit193> xubuntu560: It's something that should be installed, but isn't.
[21:53] <pepper> I have a problem with WINE if anyone is available to help?
[21:54] <xubuntu560> Unit193: so it probably comes preinstalled in saucy then?
[21:59] <xubuntu560> ok at least it grabbed the new kernel thanks :)
[22:19] <onla_> if I remove a partition with linux lets say xubuntu, will the grub be removed too ? where does it reside
[22:20] <onla_> mbr just has the redirect to the grub, and grub itself is in linux partition ?
[22:20] <bekks> onla_: No, grub resides in the MBR.
[22:21] <onla_> so even if linux partitions are formatted the grub stays.. it just can't boot the old linux entry
[22:21] <onla_> just the other entries eg windows 7
[22:22] <bekks> onla_: When removing the linux partition, you cannot boot it, too...
[22:22] <onla_> but can boot windows with grub even after that
[22:22] <onla_> ?
[22:23] <ObrienDave> grub can boot to windows, I do it all of the time
[22:23] <onla_> even after removing linux partition that was created while the grub was created
[22:24] <ObrienDave> you would have to fix MBR. I cant remember where I got the fix. have had to do that myself
[22:25] <onla_> really ? but if grub is in mbr or in own partition separate from that linux partition
[22:25] <onla_> then why wouldn't it work if I pick up the windows entry, if nothing was done to that
[22:26] <ObrienDave> as long as grub still has the pointer to the win partition, it would still boot from grub
[22:26] <onla_> yea, so no fix is needed to the grub if the windows entry works well
[22:27] <ObrienDave> yes, but that's like using half of a dual boot setup. up to you
[22:30] <onla_> yeh, ok thanks
[22:46] <Poisoned_Dragon> yay, new kernel works.
[23:06] <ultim8> Hi. i got 3.2.0-54-generic-pae. using xubuntu 12.04 - is this the best kernel for me?
[23:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> It is for 12.04
[23:07] <ultim8> ty :D
[23:07] <ultim8> xubuntu rocks :D
[23:07] <ultim8> although i made it in kinda win look :D
[23:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> Unless you're savvy, you really don't want to update kernel, on an LTS beyond the first to places in the version number.
[23:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, 3.2 is where you live.
[23:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> *to=two
[23:08] <ultim8> kk
[23:08] <Sysi> well, there are backported newer kernels, but if it isn't broken, don't fix it
[23:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> I gave mine a kinda mac look. But it's like Mac OS on drugs.
[23:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> I can lock my screen and shutdown from my dock.
[23:09] <yeyeman> some idea on how to get back sound would be great
[23:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> yeyeman, please explain.
[23:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> You have no audio at all?
[23:09] <yeyeman> after the upgrade to 13.10 I don't have sound
[23:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> hmm
[23:10] <yeyeman> and the overall stability seems questionable
[23:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> yeyeman, in terminal, type: lspci | grep Audio
[23:11] <yeyeman> I just had to restart several times before it loaded correctly
[23:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> show me the output.
[23:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> I wonder why it's so flakey for you.
[23:12] <yeyeman> 00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40)
[23:12] <yeyeman> 01:00.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cayman/Antilles HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 6900 Series]
[23:12] <yeyeman> I got the.. dreaded black screen of death :P
[23:12] <legg1> laptop ?
[23:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> did you check your settings in pavucontrol?
[23:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> type pavucontrol in terminal
[23:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> brb, gotta reset the router.
[23:16] <xubuntu450> Hola hya alguien español tengo una duda sobre la instalacion de xubuntu 13.10, sale la pantalla pero al ir instalando se queda la pantalla en negro parpadeando y de ahi no pasa es un portatil viejo un fijutsu siemens.
[23:17] <xubuntu450> Alguna ayudita de que debo hacer o proceder Gracias.
[23:18] <knome> !es | xubuntu450
[23:19] <xubuntu450> Muchas gracias !!
[23:20] <xubuntu450> thank you for help !!
[23:21] <yeyeman> ok I got the sound working using pavucontrol
[23:21] <yeyeman> thank you poisoned_dragon
[23:21] <Poisoned_Dragon> no prob. :)
[23:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> Lemme guess, it had the HDMI selected?
[23:22] <yeyeman> yes that's right
[23:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> yeyeman, does your sound indicator work?
[23:22] <yeyeman> nope
[23:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> one sec
[23:23] <Poisoned_Dragon> yeyeman, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1208204
[23:23] <Poisoned_Dragon> Follow comment #5, yeyeman.
[23:23] <Poisoned_Dragon> Sadly, if your icon was working, you would have already been in pavucontrol fixing your sound. :)
[23:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> When you make the change, logout and log back in.
[23:24] <xubuntu735> Anybody else having probs with power management? Ever since I upgraded, no matter what I set it does not change the behavior
[23:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> I haven't tried, to be honest.
[23:24] <ultim8> Is there any good site where i can learn about xubuntu? or probably ubuntu for beginners? I'm new to Linux and want to learn it/
[23:26] <Poisoned_Dragon> ultim8, http://docs.xubuntu.org/
[23:26] <ultim8> Poisoned_Dragon, ty.
[23:29] <xubuntu735> sure would be nice if I could figure out if there's a config file or something I can manually alter whatever acpi events to fix it. anybody got a suggestion on that?
[23:30] <Poisoned_Dragon> Sadly, I'm pretty fuzzy on the power management end of things.
[23:30] <bekks> xubuntu735: There is mo such file. You would have to compile your own kernel and include a custom DSDT table to fix your ACPI events. The custom DSDT table has to be extracted from your system, altered, and then compiled into your own custom kernel.
[23:32] <xubuntu735> Bummer. Ah well, maybe a patch will come out sometime. Thanks all :)
[23:33] <bekks> xubuntu735: There will never be a patch for the broken DSDT table of your system.
[23:33] <bekks> xubuntu735: You would have to do that manually.
[23:34] <xubuntu735> I don't understand, if it worked in 13.04 why it is not possible for there to be a fix for it to work in 13.10. I did nothing manual to make it work in any other version
[23:48] <ultim8> Is there a driver for my logitech mx518 i can install in xubuntu?


[00:08] <sem> There is also a linux-surface kernel, but it is not lowlatency
[00:09] <sem> but it is the one that handles touchscreens
[03:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> sem: I have a surface and have run the lowlatency kernel on it, but yes, you won't have the touchscreen. You *can* run audio without the lowlatency kernel, you'll just have to raise the jack buffer.
[03:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> Support for the linux-surface kernel in #linux-surface. Since it's not in the Ubuntu repositories, it can't be supported here.
[18:32] <sem> Oh cool, that is good to hear your experience
[18:32] <sem> I was hoping to get one of those touchscreen sampler grid things in software, but I am happy with the tradeoff for lowlatency
[18:33] <sem> I'm not exactly sure how to do live processing without a USB interface though, so I might be pretty lo-fi for a while
[18:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> You don't need the lowlatency kernel to use a USB interface.
[19:58] <sem> I'll have to see what kind of latency I get using one, but I don't have one yet
[19:59] <sem> I basically want to turn the linux computer into whatever effect pedal I want; but I have never used an effect pedal either, so i'll have to learn a lot


[00:18] <OvenWerks> areyouloco: if you happen to find a fw IF that just shows up in alsa then you are good to go but the audiofire interface I have here is _not_ one of them
[15:47] <areyouloco> what are the differences: ubuntu studio vs avlinux vs kxstudio
[15:50] <oerheks> only with ubuntu-studio you are in title for support here :-)
[15:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> !kxstudio
[15:54] <areyouloco> I dont want support (yet!) I am thinking of which distro to use
[15:54] <areyouloco> for now I have only used ubuntustudio
[15:55] <areyouloco> What about ffado drivers for firewire. Does ubustudio follow latest upstream versions?
[15:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> areyouloco: it's synced from upstream Debian.
[15:58] <oerheks> easy to find on launchpad https://launchpad.net/ffado/+packages
[15:59] <areyouloco> thx so its 2.4.1 should be fine
[16:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> areyouloco: Bear in mind, the kernel module for firewire audio must be disabled in order for FFADO to work properly.
[16:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> So, if you end up with a Firewire audio device that only works in FFADO, keep that in mind.
[16:01] <areyouloco> so I can just blacklist it
[16:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> Correct.
[16:01] <areyouloco> thx for the info
[16:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> But also keep in mind: Firewire audio isn't manufactured anymore, which is why we're not supporting it going forward.
[16:02] <areyouloco> Yeah too bad. It provides better latency than usb
[16:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> USB 3.0 solves that.
[16:03] <areyouloco> Yeah but I like to stay oldschool on that
[16:03] <areyouloco> I am a beginner in audio but lesrning fast since I know linux a bit
[16:04] <areyouloco> thanks for now. I will be back when I get the gear and have real problems not just to chatty chat
[16:04] <Eickmeyer[m]> Perfect. Chit-chat is in #ubuntustudio-offtopic
[16:20] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: usb 3.0 has the same latency limitations as USB 2.0
[16:21] <OvenWerks> (1ms clock in USB means 2ms latency is the practical minimum)
[16:22]  * OvenWerks does not know what the practical minimum is for firewire
[16:24] <OvenWerks> I have not tried my pci audio below .7ms
[16:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> Still, 2ms latency is not audible.
[16:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> And PCI will always win.
[16:30] <OvenWerks> Yeah just that USB 3 is no better than USB 2
[16:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> According to Holstein it is.
[16:32] <OvenWerks> So far as I know there is no real USB 3 audio standard. It is just USB 2 audio using the USB 3 line.
[16:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> There are USB3 audio interfaces coming out.
[16:32] <OvenWerks> There may seem to be a difference because USB 3 is better at isolating clients.
[16:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> Just very uncommon.
[16:33] <OvenWerks> an audio device that says USB 3 has a USB plug but the audio protocol inside is still teh same as USB2
[16:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> Not necessarily. Mine admittedly is USB 2, but there are actual USB3 interfaces out there.
[16:34]  * OvenWerks suspects Holstein would have the same success with USB 2 with a dedicated USB card
[16:36] <OvenWerks> modern motherboards have really bad USB 1 and 2 support
[16:38] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: multi-track video recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJuX3wbebQE
[16:39] <OvenWerks> I am not sure what sw she uses, but I am pretty sure the video is not lipsync
[16:40] <OvenWerks> (music starts at 5.40 ish)
[16:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> I used to do stuff like that for a living. There's likely a hidden lavolier on her somewhere that was isolated/eq'd/reverbed in post.
[16:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> That or an amazing shotgun mic.
[16:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> My guess is a shotgun mic that was removed in post using one of the other two shots.
[16:45] <OvenWerks> She normally puts an iphone under her shirt.
[16:46] <OvenWerks> Not sure what they used this time
[16:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> That would do it then. Those things have amazing built-in mics and can be EQ'd in post pretty easily.
[16:49] <OvenWerks> Her accent is typical of north Vancouver Island (not Vancouver though).
[22:02] <tryingnethings> Trying out the Beta, Working remotely with a kid who is learning all this stuff
[22:02] <tryingnethings> we use Jitsi but when we boot into Ubuntu Studio and talk, he could hear me but I couldn't hear him
[22:02] <tryingnethings> But the same setup worked on Windows 10
[22:03] <tryingnethings> his laptop he is running it on has one of those combo ports for headset/mic
[22:03] <tryingnethings> I'm not good with Jack so I'm sure I made things worse now, just looking for suggestions on what to try
[23:12] <ChuckLutz> Hi folks - first time using this - I've got a question about a test using my machine's built-in sound card vs. my Delta 1010.
[23:15] <ChuckLutz> I downloaded a basic .wav file of someone solo clapping (https://bigsoundbank.com/detail-1767-applause-3.htm). If I use Ubuntu Studio Controls and select my built-in sound card - "PCH,0.0 playback and capture (ALC269VB Analog)" then start jack, and do "aplay Downloads/1767.wav" at the command line, it plays back OK.
[23:17] <ChuckLutz> If I switch "Jack Master Device (no USB):" to my Delta 1010 - "M1010,0,0 playback and capture (ICE1712 multi)", stop/start jack, and reissue the aplay command, the playback seems to come at the right "tempo" but is horribly distorted (I have output channels 1 and 2 of the Delta 1010 breakout box going out to my mixer and to my amps).
[23:18] <ChuckLutz> I'm trying to figure out how to about diagnosing why this might be the case.


[00:33] <Unit193> If you live around here where I am, StarBucks will have a blood drive and give doners a gift card to there.
[00:40] <canthus13> Nice.
[00:42] <Unit193> Switch out blood for coffee?  Sounds great.
[01:06] <andygraybeal_> is anyone using version control for libreoffice with a group of people?
[01:06] <andygraybeal_> i've read very nebulous things about people doing this online, but i can't find concrete instructions or a visual of what it looks like to an end user.
[19:27] <thafreak> anyone ever use ikiwiki?
[19:29] <dniMretsaM> no thafreak. I just looked it up, though. it sounds kind of interesting
[19:32] <thafreak> i've been leaning more towards static stuff...
[19:32] <thafreak> started using blogophile for static website generation
[19:32] <paultag> ikiwiki is pretty popular in some crowds
[19:32] <thafreak> then thought about wikis...ikiwiki is about the closest thing I could find
[19:33] <thafreak> paultag: what are you trying to say :)
[19:33]  * paultag shrugs
[19:35] <thafreak> well...ikiwiki is kinda weird...lots of perl, and it has some cgi stuff
[19:36] <thafreak> I just want to write wikipages in like markdown, reStructured Text, etc, commit them to a git repo, and poof
[19:36] <thafreak> static html gets made
[19:36] <thafreak> maybe i just need to write a wiki plugin for blogophile
[19:37] <thafreak> erm...s/blogophile/blogofile/g
[19:49] <thafreak> ERMA GURD...ER NEERD SERM CERRFEEE!
[19:54] <thafreak> aha...found a project called marcdoc!
[19:56] <dniMretsaM> thafreak: isn't markdown a plaintext to HTML thing anyway? or am I misunderstanding what you're after?
[19:57] <paultag> not HTML, in all cases
[19:57] <thafreak> yeah, but i want a system that builds it all for me
[19:57] <paultag> (http://www.pell.portland.or.us/~orc/Code/discount/)
[19:59] <dniMretsaM> thafreak: ok, I think I see what you're saying
[19:59] <thafreak> kind of like Make...but for a website
[20:00] <thafreak> compiles all the source pages to static html
[20:05] <thafreak> my whole motivation is I want a single source for all my notes/docs
[20:05] <thafreak> sometimes I have a browser, so I want to look at docs in a browser
[20:05] <paultag> use moar rst
[20:05] <paultag> sphynx is nice
[20:05] <thafreak> most of the time i'm in a console
[20:06] <thafreak> so I want something i can grep/less/etc
[22:09] <Cheri703> anyone familiar with setting up "twiki"?
[22:11] <canthus13> iirc it's pretty much just a single file, no?
[22:11] <canthus13> Err. never mind. I'm thinking of a different wiki.
[22:23] <Cheri703> my dad (and/or his company) is looking for quotes on having one set up for them as like a knowledge base
[22:24] <canthus13> We use mediawiki at work.
[22:24] <canthus13> It's... heavy.  but it works well.
[22:52] <thafreak> i worked on twiki before i believe...
[22:52] <thafreak> for whatever reason, the corporate types seem to like it...
[22:53] <thafreak> as opposed to mediawiki, which is so widely well known
[22:53] <thafreak> Also, MoinMoin is cool, I like it better (or used to) than media wiki
[22:53] <Cheri703> yeah, I'd never heard of twiki
[22:53] <thafreak> used to be able to run it locally easily...so I could have it on a usb stick and take my wiki with me
[23:06] <Unit193> There is also dokuwiki.