[12:00] <bob2> shinu: "man resolv.conf" says it cares about the first three
[12:00] <bob2> marlun: hah, cool
[12:00] <bob2> jeanluc: please stop pasting that
[12:00] <bob2> jeanluc: or anything at all, in here
[12:00] <shinu> LjL: thanks ut i think its alright :P i wont really need that
[12:00] <jeanluc> sorry
[12:00] <shinu> bob2: i see
[12:00] <_Dez> does Gaim run on ubuntu?
[12:00] <shogo> .irc-hispano.org
[12:01] <phasegen> Can anyone tell me where to find audacity for breezy?  Synaptic says it isn't out there...
[12:01] <topyli> agtnz: sudo update-alternatives www-browser and sudo update-alternatives x-www-browser
[12:01] <LjL> _dez: of course it does
[12:01] <icewt> _Dez: ubuntu ships with gaim
[12:01] <NotLarry> ok, the power is off to the radio on my wi-fi card, anyone know how to turn it on?
[12:01] <zeenix> hey guys
[12:01] <solidgroove> phasegen audacity.sf.net
[12:01] <agtnz> topyli: danke
[12:01] <shinu> bob2: i just wondered its strange that it doesnt have a nameserver command... thats all :D and also i couldnt get it from the repos
[12:01] <bob2> phasegen: eh?
[12:01] <bob2> nisqpaul: please turn that off
[12:01] <thechitowncubs> phasegen, its there, in universe
[12:01] <Ophiocus> phasegen,  make sure you have the correct repositories
[12:01] <phasegen> solidgroove: Thank You!
[12:01] <bob2> phasegen: it's in universe
[12:02] <bob2> phasegen: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto, wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:02] <mmiikkee12> i'm considering switching to ubuntu from debian, but first, a few questions. does it let you use new software or force you on 2.6.8 kernels like debian?
[12:02] <phasegen> I have universe and multiverse enabled.
[12:02] <agtnz> _Dez: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=80423&highlight=initng for speeding up boot
[12:02] <solidgroove> mmiikkee12, its newest software
[12:02] <mmiikkee12> good
[12:02] <topyli> agtnz: sorry, it's update-altenatives config x-www-browser. i forgot the "config" part. might even be "configure"
[12:02] <LjL> solidgroove: it's "newest" software?
[12:02] <bob2> mmiikkee12: uh, Debian doesn't "force" you on 2.6.8 kernels
[12:03] <bob2> mmiikkee12: please don't spread such silly fud
[12:03] <mmiikkee12> sarge does...
[12:03] <zeenix> the netwok-admin doesn't seem to provide an option like 'activate on boot' for individual network interfaces
[12:03] <mmiikkee12> anyway
[12:03] <trappist> no it doesn't
[12:03] <mmiikkee12> can i install it from debian without burning a cd?
[12:03] <solidgroove> LjL, there is a gnome newer than 2.12.2?
[12:03] <nisqpaul> bob2: help me here turn what off?
[12:03] <bob2> mmiikkee12: not simply
[12:03] <LjL> solidgroove: i don't think gnome is the only software around is it?
[12:03] <biatche> a screen question... for those who are familiar.. when do you use -D -m .. and when do you use -d -m? I can't differentiate between the two...-D = doesnt fork a new process? wtf -_-;;
[12:03] <bob2> nisqpaul: that irritating /away scrip you're using
[12:03] <Knowerrors> W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:03] <Knowerrors> W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:03] <bob2> mmiikkee12: debian sid is in general more up to date than ubuntu's development branch
[12:04] <bob2> Knowerrors: point apt at archive.ubuntu.com instead
[12:04] <topyli> mmiikkee12: it's 2.6.12 on breezy. when the next one comes out in six months, we will have whatever is new at that time
[12:04] <Knowerrors> Anybody else getting this? "W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:04] <mmiikkee12> 2.6.12 is ok
[12:04] <nisqpaul> Bob2:  I am not away?
[12:04] <topyli> mmiikkee12: six months stable releases, no changes in that time
[12:04] <bob2> nisqpaul: I don't know or care, but your IRC client should not be announcing it to the channel
[12:04] <agtnz> _Dez: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76543&highlight=ntpdate, as well
[12:04] <DShepherd> how do I install install a gdm theme?
[12:04] <SEJeff> topyli: Except for security updates
[12:04] <mmiikkee12> can i upgrade to newer stuff without a bunch of hassle between releases?
[12:04] <topyli> SEJeff: yes, of course
[12:04] <trappist> biatche: the difference is described pretty clearly in the screen man page
[12:04] <agtnz> DShepherd: gdmsetup
[12:04] <Seveas> Knowerrors, don't use us.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:05] <nisqpaul> bob2:  How do I turn off the anouncement...   sorry looking for any advice you can give
[12:05] <agtnz> DShepherd: Install new theme and point to the archive
[12:05] <biatche> trappist: i've asked a few people... i don't understand it.. ok, so when do you use oine, when do u use the other
[12:05] <bob2> mmiikkee12: like Debian, yes
[12:05] <DShepherd> agtnz: thanks
[12:05] <bob2> nisqpaul: depends on your irc client
[12:05] <Knowerrors> Seveas: so just remove the "us" ?
[12:05] <topyli> mmiikkee12: there are backports, but you must really be hungry for the bleeding edge if you can't take six months :)
[12:05] <n0odl3> how do i play midi/mid?
[12:05] <nisqpaul> bob2 X-chat
[12:05] <Seveas> Knowerrors, yeah
[12:06] <mmiikkee12> debian says i alreadt have the latest kernel when i only have 2.6.8...
[12:06] <mmiikkee12> anyway
[12:06] <topyli> mmiikkee12: debian too lets you run any kernel you like...
[12:06] <bob2> mmiikkee12: because you're using Debian stable
[12:06] <Knowerrors> thx, sorry for the multiple pastes, didn't show up on my end right away
[12:06] <Madpilot> mmiikkee12: latest should be 2.6.12something
[12:06] <trappist> biatche: if you use -D you won't come back to the console.  I can't think of a time when I'd want that.  -d starts a detached screen and takes you back to the shell.
[12:06] <nisqpaul> bob2:  I am using X-chat  with ubuntu 5.10
[12:06] <bimberi> nisqpaul: settings -> preferences -> general -> Announce away messages (untick)
[12:07] <mmiikkee12> ok, so ubuntu updates more often, that question is answered.
[12:07] <mmiikkee12> can i install without a cd?
[12:07] <topyli> mmiikkee12: not very easily
[12:07] <biatche> trappist: interesting............ in the end, i know i should use -d -m ...... but ive yet to underestand the use of -D -m
[12:07] <mmiikkee12> stupid xchat
[12:07] <nisqpaul> Bob2:   Thanks got it
[12:07] <bob2> nisqpaul: great, thank a lot
[12:07] <mmiikkee12> keeps beeping my computer when someoe says my nick
[12:07] <bimberi> mmiikkee12: there are various ways - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation
[12:07] <bob2> mmiikkee12: same as Debian, you can debootstrap (advanced) or pxe install (intermediate)
[12:07] <nisqpaul> Bimberi:   Sorry thanks
[12:08] <trappist> biatche: -D doesn't fork a new process, which is why you're stuck with it until you attach to and terminate the screen session.  I don't know why you'd use it, but I suspect it has a purpose.
[12:08] <mmiikkee12> looking at that, hold on
[12:08] <bimberi> nisqpaul: np :)
[12:08] <Chopstix2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20522&page=3 can anyone help please?
[12:08] <biatche> trappist: mysterious world of screen... but thanks
[12:08] <trappist> <3 screen
[12:08] <LjL> mmiikkee12: ubuntu definitely doesn't update more often than debian testing/unstable, tho it does update oftener than debian stable
[12:09] <ompaul> mmiikkee12, that is your setting - check settings preferences chatting general
[12:09] <mmiikkee12> yes, i have sarge (stable
[12:09] <mmiikkee12> just hold on.
[12:10] <squirrelpimp> jo... i have a problem with the usbdisk automount feature... a disk always gets mounted as the currently logged in user... and others aren't allowed even to read it...
[12:10] <mmiikkee12> bimberi: found the perfect page for my problem but the page doesn't exist :P
[12:10] <squirrelpimp> where should i look for in order to fix it?
[12:10] <agtnz> topyli: I don't have update-alternatives... any idea what package to install?
[12:10] <topyli> LjL: running ubuntu is different from running any debian. stable is, well, stable. unstable updates every day. testing is completely insecure
[12:10] <DShepherd> agtnz: how about usplash. how do you install that?
[12:10] <bimberi> mmiikkee12: :/
[12:10] <DShepherd> do you know*
[12:10] <agtnz> DShepherd: Dunno man :P
[12:10] <squirrelpimp> any suggestions??
[12:11] <DShepherd> kool agtnz.
[12:11] <LjL> topyli: whatever, but saying that ubuntu updates packages more often than debian is simply wrong. at least, i depends on the debian
[12:11] <mmiikkee12> hold on...
[12:11] <mmiikkee12> looking
[12:11] <DShepherd> How do I install a usplash?
[12:11] <DShepherd> neva mind
[12:11] <topyli> agtnz: every debian-like system must have update-alternatives. perhaps /usr/sbin is not in your path? try specifying /usr/sbin/update-alternatives
[12:13] <agtnz> topyli: Yeah, that worked. ta
[12:15] <DShepherd> what;s happening?
[12:16] <LjL> what's the sanest way to only allow inbound net access from the local network (on certain specified ports)? i mean, *without* risking a faked-IP attack. i have multiple ethernet cards, eth0 is connected to the internet, eth1 and the rest are connected to the local network
[12:16] <topyli> LjL: yep. unstable is more vibrant. i switched to ubuntu from unstable just because of that. it's the peace of mind :)
[12:16] <agtnz> topyli: which file do i edit to add to my PATH ?
[12:17] <topyli> agtnz: .bashrc in your home directory
[12:17] <topyli> note, it's a dot file
[12:17] <agtnz> :)
[12:17] <badcom> como eu crio usuario root
[12:17] <LjL> topyli: i suppose we're different ;) myself, i very recently switched to ubuntu and like it, but i get seriously anxious every time i do an aptitude dist-upgrade (i.e. every ten minutes) and don't see anything :-)
[12:17] <LjL> !es
[12:17] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[12:17] <LjL> !pt
[12:17] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigada.
[12:17] <bob2> LjL: people outside your isp almost certainly cannot spoof their ip for anything aside from udp traffic
[12:18] <DShepherd> what package can I install to get a dock thing like Mac in Ubuntu?
[12:18] <LjL> bob2: i care *only* about people *inside* my ISP, since all the others can't access me to begin with, as my USP puts us all behind NAT
[12:18] <squirrelpimp> !de
[12:18] <ubotu> Bitte gehen sie nach #ubuntu-de fuer deutschsprachige hilfe
[12:18] <LjL> bob2: and i do care about udp too anyway
[12:18] <topyli> agtnz: here's my .bashrc for reference. don't copy it straight over :) http://siltala.net/comp/dot-bashrc
[12:18] <bob2> LjL: uh, suck
[12:18] <LjL> bob2: yeah, i know
[12:19] <agtnz> topyli: appreciated :)
[12:19] <LjL> bob2: but they give me 10mbps
[12:19] <LjL> bob2: fiber optical, no adsl
[12:19] <bob2> LjL: well, just run iptables on your gateway and filter everything aside from inbound on particular ports
[12:19] <bob2> LjL: hah, nice
[12:19] <badcom> como eu crio usuario root
[12:19] <ubuntu> alguem ai do brasil?
[12:19] <bob2> pretty clearly not a spanish-speaking channel
[12:20] <LjL> portuguese, actually
[12:20] <ubuntu> badcom: tais ai?
[12:20] <Madpilot> !pt
[12:20] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigada.
[12:20] <bob2> ah
[12:20] <badcom> sim
[12:20] <bob2> oh, I'm blind
[12:20] <badcom> ubuntu sim
[12:20] <bob2> I should go drink coffee until I'm concious
[12:20] <squirrelpimp> anyone having an idea for my permissions-problem???
[12:21] <DShepherd> what package can I install to get a dock thing like Mac in Ubuntu?
[12:21] <_native_> l
[12:22] <squirrelpimp> DShepherd: look for gdesklets... theres one doin that!
[12:22] <trappist> squirrelpimp: you could set your umask to 023 or something
[12:22] <mmiikkee12> can someone create this for me :) ?
[12:22] <mmiikkee12> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallationFromLinuxHardDisk
[12:22] <Blissex> DShepherd: 'apt-cache search dock | sort -u | less' for hints
[12:22] <LjL> bob2: does this sound decent? iptables -I INPUT 1 -p tcp --dport <blocked-port> -j DROP ; iptables -I INPUT 1 -p tcp --dport <blocked-port> -s <IP_ADDRESS>/24 -j ACCEPT
[12:22] <topyli> LjL: lucky you, drapper development tree is open now :)
[12:22] <topyli> dapper even
[12:22] <trappist> ok is it dapper or drapper?
[12:23] <DShepherd> Blissex: yeah I did that...saw a package called docker
[12:23] <anavim> dapper
[12:23] <squirrelpimp> transgress: where du i set that for that automatic mounting stuff??
[12:23] <LjL> bob2: sorry, i just forgot to change it to the interface instead of the address....that would be: iptables -I INPUT 1 -p tcp --dport <blocked-port> -j DROP ; iptables -I INPUT 1 -p tcp --dport <blocked-port> -i eth1 -j ACCEPT
[12:23] <mmiikkee12> nm, found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/FromAnotherDistro
[12:23] <LjL> bob2: assuming eth1 is my *local* network interface
[12:23] <bob2> LjL: I'd just set -P INPUT REJECT ; -A INPUT -s whatever -j ACCEPT
[12:23] <squirrelpimp> trappist: where du i set that for that automatic mounting stuff??
[12:24] <squirrelpimp> wrong addressee..
[12:24] <LjL> bob2: but isn't "-s whatever" vulnerable to IP spoofing? (still keeping in mind i'm worrying about attacks coming from inside my isp)
[12:24] <total_assault> hey can anyone help me install w32codecs on amd64 breezey?
[12:24] <trappist> squirrelpimp: `umask 023` will set that as the umask for that user.  if that works, put it in a .bash_profile or something
[12:24] <bob2> LjL: how do you plan to avoid other people spoofing ips?
[12:24] <blackvd> ok new prob, everytime I log inot fluxbox my screen res resets to the default which is 1280
[12:25] <blackvd> *into
[12:25] <trappist> total_assault: w32codecs isn't going to work on amd64
[12:25] <bob2> LjL: they can't (usefully) spoof tcp unless  they take down one of your isp's routers
[12:25] <blackvd> but I need 1024
[12:25] <LjL> bob2: i don't... but i plan to disallow anything coming from eth0 (which is the internet), and only allow stuff coming from eth1 (local network)
[12:25] <blackvd> tried sudo kcontrol then changing it
[12:25] <total_assault> trappist: no wonder why ive been trying to do it fro 3 hours with no avail
[12:25] <squirrelpimp> trappist: only for the automatic mounting or does if affect other thing?? theres no manpage...
[12:25] <anavim> is bugzilla really gone?  launchpad now is for reporting bugs?
[12:25] <blackvd> but it keeps reseting everytime I login
[12:25] <bob2> LjL: oh, right
[12:26] <trappist> total_assault: they're precompiled 32-bit windows (w32) binaries
[12:26] <jvai> oye forums..
[12:26] <trappist> squirrelpimp: it sets your umask for everything
[12:27] <total_assault> trappist: thats it then im installing 32 bit, too many probelms on 64 bit still no flash, no codecs etc..
[12:27] <Phuzion> Can someone help me out with getting user accounts to work on pure-ftpd?
[12:27] <LjL> bob2: i think specifying network interfaces instead of IPs would be safer, even if very slightly safer, no?
[12:27] <LjL> bob2: people can't spoof my network cards, no matter how hard they try ;) i suppose
[12:27] <squirrelpimp> trappist: so that's something i definitely don't want... because then everybody will not only be able to read the mounted volume but also all my other files...
[12:27] <bob2> LjL: right
[12:28] <louis_> hi all
[12:28] <solidgroove> LjL ubuntu has new software when it is released, what is old?
[12:29] <LjL> bob2: if i were using another ISP, i'd just ask some of you here to nmap me, see what's wrong, and fix case-by-case... but since i'm simply not reachable from anyone except my ISP's users (and i don't know any), i think i'd feel better with a more drastic approach, you see
[12:29] <ngd> Hi everyone, anyone else had trouble with initrd failing to install during installation
[12:29] <ngd> ?
[12:29] <LjL> solidgroove: ubuntu has new software every six months, normally, unless you consider backports (which don't even currently exist) or some other weird stuff
[12:29] <agtnz> LjL: Backports started existing y'day.
[12:30] <LjL> agtnz: did it? that's cool... ought to be in the topic!
[12:30] <strike3> _native_: just to let you know - i got wep working - went back to no security first - needed reboot to get that working the wep worked no probs
[12:30] <Toran> when are you guys planning on releaseing the latest version of xchat to the repositories?
[12:30] <marlun> How come I can't find bittorrent client thats in ubuntu in the Package Manager?
[12:31] <Phuzion> marlun:  BitTornado isn't there?
[12:31] <_native_> strike3/ great, feels good knowing you made some progress huh. :-]
[12:31] <ompaul> marlun, why not click on applications internet bittorrent ?
[12:31] <bob2> LjL: if yor rules are going to be more than a couple of lines long, you might want to look at shorewall
[12:32] <bob2> marlun: wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto, they're in universe
[12:32] <LjL> bob2: i'll have a look, thanks
[12:32] <_native_> strike3/ next stop full wpa support.
[12:32] <Phuzion> Or sudo "apt-get install bittornado" if you don't have it installed.
[12:33] <jvai> i'm on hoary still, but the last updates i recieved were for kde things, & bfore then, a few for fetchmail
[12:33] <squirrelpimp> trappist: it does not work btw...
[12:33] <Phuzion> marlun: Are you KDE or Gnome?
[12:33] <jvai> ooh yea.. this morning i got upgrades for rpms??
[12:33] <marlun> Phuzion, gnome-bittorrent is the client.
[12:34] <bob2> jvai: are you using breezy?
[12:34] <Phuzion> Yeah, I know that, I was going to suggest that for you.
[12:34] <jvai> i'm on gnome
[12:34] <marlun> ompaul, because then it only tells me to select a torrent file, I can't set any properties or anything.
[12:34] <bob2> jvai: that's not a Debian release
[12:34] <strike3> _native_: think i'll enjoy it working with wep for a short time before upsetting it all again - incase i cant go back
[12:34] <marlun> Phuzion, gnome
[12:34] <jvai> no, i'm using hoary @bob
[12:35] <Phuzion> marlun:  Alright, then you should have the program installed, but if not, in terminal, type "sudo apt-get install gnome-btdownload"
[12:35] <ompaul> jvai, start the line with a persons nick, then others will filter it out leave out the @ then you can do less typing this is the way of irc :)
[12:35] <cafuego_> omg, that's sexy :-)
[12:35] <_native_> bob2; ive found that the iptables match extension -m owner --cmd-owner is not present is this because the ubuntu2.6.12-9 dose not include that extension yet? cause it would be a nice feature to have.
[12:35] <marlun> Phuzion, I've got it installed :) but I was wondering why I couldn't see it in the Package Manager.
[12:35] <Phuzion> Oh, because it's probably the latest version.
[12:35] <marlun> Phuzion, and I also need a way to change the port that gnome-bittorrent uses (and set the maxupload/download)
[12:36] <ompaul> cafuego_, what is?
[12:36] <bob2> _native_: you could file a wishlist bug on the kernel asking for it to be included
[12:36] <Phuzion> marlun, I don't have experience with the client.
[12:36] <marlun> Phuzion, Okey, I found an explanation on the ubuntu forum but I'm totally new to this so I don't really get it :/
[12:36] <_native_> yeah it seems as though it could be very useful. i'll do that. ;-]
[12:37] <jvai> bob, should i delete the rpm updates, i'll neva use them, there was also a note about using ALIEN for unknown apps
[12:37] <Phuzion> Alright, so can someone help me with getting PAM Authentication to work in Pure-FTPD?
[12:37] <coz> hello all
[12:37] <coz>  has anyone tried the O&O defrag for linux?
[12:38] <bob2> O&O?
[12:38] <cafuego_> coz: On ext2/ext3 you traditionally don't bother with defragging
[12:38] <coz> O&O is the company
[12:38] <cafuego_> bob2: payware company
[12:38] <bob2> Phuzion: unless you have a onvincing reason otherwise, I'd just use proftpd
[12:38] <bob2> or no ftp at all
[12:38] <coz> I rea lize that but wanted to know id\f someon has tested this
[12:39] <cafuego_> coz; I doubt it, spending money on a tool noone has a need for seems silly ;-)
[12:39] <adar> has every Ubuntu release mapped network interfaces to hotplug? On my hoary box I don't see "auto eth0" which means that /etc/init.d/networking restart always leaves me sans networking
[12:39] <kornito> are all liveCD's supposed to allow an installation on disk ? or only some linux distros ?
[12:39] <coz> well I think it is beta and free right now
[12:39] <jvai> is it safe to emty the TMP folder on the daily?? i just did today.. but i couldnt undo the ICE,&ORBIT & XO ones.. i think that
[12:39] <bob2> adar: it seems to have varied between releases
[12:39] <bob2> jvai: /tmp? no.
[12:39] <LjL> kornito: i don't think every livecd there is around allows hd installation
[12:39] <_native_> kornito; some livecds have that feature some dont.
[12:39] <cafuego_> coz: ext2defrag is not beta, also free and still not needed.
[12:39] <bob2> coz: I wouldn't trust binary, closed-source stuff to touch my filesystem
[12:39] <coz> Ok can all fo the .deb files be removed safely from ubuntu?
[12:40] <jvai> s my issue w/ using starbucks wifi, & neva bein assign'd an ip
[12:40] <kornito> ok thanx
[12:40] <bob2> especially since I doubt it was written by a ext2/3 hacker
[12:40] <cafuego_> coz: Yes. 'sudo apt-get clean' will do it for you.
[12:40] <adar> bob2: its problematic because I'm writing some scripts to automatically call networking stop on suspend and networking restart on resume, and there's no networking when I'm done
[12:40] <coz> thanks
[12:40] <adar> bob2: is there any sort of workaround? any releases that aren't doing it?
[12:40] <jgw> hrm ubuntuforums.org rocks
[12:40] <coz> I'll try that
[12:41] <kornito> i don't wanna sound like a troll, but is ubuntu overthrowing debian ?
[12:41] <coz> wowo that was fast I think I better check if they were all removed
[12:41] <bob2> adar: you can remove the hotplug lines yourself
[12:41] <Welly> hmm.. i'm trying to sudo apt-get install openssh-server and it keeps asking me to insert the ubuntu cd
[12:41] <bob2> kornito: no
[12:41] <Phuzion> bob2, does proftpd have PAM Authentication on automatically?
[12:41] <fruud> im trying to "./configure" this KDE "window decoration" and i get this error, what can i do ?
[12:41] <Welly> which i have done but it doesn't recognise it
[12:41] <bob2> Phuzion: yes
[12:41] <LjL> kornito: depends what you mean, ubuntu couldn't even *exist* without debian
[12:41] <fruud> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[12:41] <fruud> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[12:41] <fruud> So, check this please and use another prefi
[12:41] <bob2> Phuzion: bear in mind that using non-anonymous ftp is askign for trouble (ie cleartext passwords)
[12:41] <LjL> fruud: install kdelibs4-dev
[12:41] <bob2> fruud: and you're compiling..?
[12:41] <kornito> do u think there will be more ubuntu than debian in the future ?
[12:41] <fruud> oke thx!!!
[12:41] <_native_> kornito; no way, ubuntu is just more progressive / cutting edge
[12:42] <bob2> Welly: edit /etc/apt/sources.list to remoe the cd line if you don't want that
[12:42] <coz> apt-get clean didn't remove a single .deb file
[12:42] <LjL> fruud: using aptitude, possibly, as otherwise you'll have lots of dependencies to remove later
[12:42] <bob2> _native_: debian has newer packages than ubuntu in nearly every case
[12:42] <Phuzion> bob2, it's going to be on a local intranet, and not accessable from outside, so I'm set on security.
[12:42] <LjL> fruud: (if you want to remove them, that is)
[12:42] <fruud> kk
[12:42] <Welly> cool cheers bob2
[12:42] <_native_> bob2; really
[12:42] <fruud> :D
[12:42] <kornito> _native_: a little less stable ? :)
[12:42] <bob2> _native_: gnome is about the only exception
[12:42] <_native_> bob2; its based on debian testing though right?
[12:42] <bob2> _native_: more or less everything else in ubuntu comes from debian
[12:43] <bob2> _native_: no, sid
[12:43] <_native_> ahh
[12:43] <bob2> _native_: e.g. debian had a more recent version of X than ubuntu for a few weeks, and now they are the same
[12:43] <LjL> bob2: well, i'm not sure, but i don't think the kde 3.5 beta is in debian... though to be honest it's not in ubuntu either, it's in a separate but official rep
[12:43] <_native_> bob2; i must have read inaccurate docs,
[12:43] <markw> argh.
[12:43] <markw> ok...    make wants gcc 3.4
[12:43] <coz> I take that back it did remove the .deb files and left the ,debian .gz files nevermind
[12:44] <LjL> markw: aptitude install gcc-3.4
[12:44] <bob2> markw: kernel stuff?
[12:44] <GNULinuxGeek> Can anyone explain why Synaptic is not selecting any packages for upgrade?
[12:44] <LjL> markw: end then "export CC=gcc-3.4"
[12:44] <bob2> GNULinuxGeek: are you using breezy?
[12:44] <bob2> LjL: ah, ok
[12:44] <GNULinuxGeek> Yes
[12:44] <Stormx2> GNULinuxGeek: Because non need to be upgraded?
[12:44] <ompaul> GNULinuxGeek, your up to date?
[12:44] <markw> bob2: yeah, gonna build a em64T smp kernel.
[12:44] <Stormx2> _native_: Good on you :)
[12:44] <coz> I am astickler for clean drives , are there any applications that help clean off the drives?
[12:44] <kornito> bob2: so why would someone stick to debian instead of ubuntu ?
[12:44] <adar> bob2: last question, do you happen to know which releases map to hotplug and which don't? Or any way I could find out on my own?
[12:45] <GNULinuxGeek> Should not be as I have not upgraded in two weeks
[12:45] <markw> kornito: so you can ask questions in #debian.
[12:45] <LjL> kornito: unstable is more cutting edge, and stable is unbeatable for servers
[12:45] <ompaul> GNULinuxGeek, once you upgraded you are in stable - so less things change, only things with security issues
[12:45] <bob2> kornito: I use Debian because I like the community (especially the development one), and because I think an independant free OS is very very important
[12:45] <bob2> kornito: I use ubuntu because it Just Works on my laptop
[12:45] <Phuzion> bob2:  Can you help me out here, I just installed proftpd, and its not letting me log in for some reason.
[12:46] <bob2> different audiences in the same person!
[12:46] <bob2> Phuzion: read auth.log
[12:46] <kornito> bob ok :-)
[12:46] <LjL> bob2: i use debian stable on my server, i use ubuntu on my desktop....
[12:46] <martin__> hey, does anyone know where gnome stores all the icons in the menu bar?
[12:46] <Phuzion> bob2:  where would it be?
[12:46] <_native_> Phuzion; log files are great for tracking down exactly whats wrong.
[12:46] <jvai> there r like 10 items in my TMP folder.. always
[12:46] <bob2> adar: I don't, sorry.  the only thing I could suggest is looking at base-config in each releae (ie download and dpkg-deb -x foo.deb them)
[12:46] <markw> LjL: this appears to be a little bit of dependancy issue.
[12:46] <bob2> Phuzion: /var/log
[12:46] <Phuzion> thanks
[12:46] <LjL> bob2: actually, the stuff i was asking about iptables was about debian
[12:46] <bob2> jvai: which is probably fine
[12:46] <LjL> markw: what do you mean?
[12:47] <jvai> ok
[12:47] <bob2> GNULinuxGeek: breezy is stable and will not get new software, only security fixes
[12:47] <_native_> LjL; are you new to iptables configuration?
[12:47] <ngd> anyone else had initrd-tools fail on install?
[12:47] <Stormx2> martin__: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/
[12:47] <kornito> linux is not suitable for old people
[12:47] <Stormx2> lmao!
[12:47] <GNULinuxGeek> I will give it a week or so and see if there are any issues.  I loaded this from scratch and that might change things.
[12:47] <LjL> _native_: not "new", since i first used iptables a long time ago... but never really got into it or learned how to do stuff
[12:47] <_native_> kornito; whatever my mom loves it.
[12:47] <kornito> _native_: she must be a techie
[12:48] <_native_> LjL; its a good implementation.
[12:48] <tnag> Hi all
[12:48] <markw> LjL: make depends on gcc-3.4 yet when you install make, it doesn't install gcc-3.4, however, it should be depending on gcc-4
[12:48] <coz> /usr/share/icons
[12:48] <_native_> kornito; no way ubuntu is just user friendly.
[12:48] <LjL> GNULinuxGeek: you *will* (or should) be able to install new packages in your breezy without waiting six months, anyway... the backports rep will have new packages when they're ready
[12:48] <ompaul> kornito, I don't know a 78/9 year old guy had a mail on one the mailing lists earlier today, and he is using Ubuntu that is linux so - Wrong!
[12:48] <martin__> Stormx2: I mean the actual link for the ICON, I have a fresh install and I want to have the menu exactly as I have it now
[12:48] <bob2> markw: "make" doesn't Depend on any gcc
[12:48] <LjL> markw: hmm breezy? on my breezy, make doesn't depend on gcc3
[12:48] <_native_> kornito; all she needs is the internet.
[12:48] <jvai> i have shorewall, & squid install'd.. but there's not a way to configure them.. i just leav them b.. -novice
[12:48] <markw> LjL: make is asking for breezy..
[12:49] <markw> hmm.  let me check the makefile
[12:49] <grodius> how do i compile .mar files
[12:49] <markw> sec
[12:49] <bob2> jvai: eh? squid has /etc/squid/squid.conf
[12:49] <markw> nm.
[12:49] <bob2> jvai: shorewall has an example config in /usr/share/doc/shorewall/
[12:49] <kornito> i can't imagine a grandmother doing chmod and stuff
[12:49] <bob2> jvai: neither are end-user tools
[12:49] <markw> it's the kernel tree makefile that wants gcc-3.4
[12:49] <bob2> kornito: when do you need to use chmod while writing poems about doilies and tea cups?
[12:49] <LjL> kornito: why should she have to
[12:49] <ompaul> kornito, I know a oap social club in Dublin that uses a linux network
[12:49] <Stormx2> markw: apt-get install gcc-3.4
[12:49] <jvai> ooh in the ETC/ folder..
[12:49] <grodius> can someone tell me how to compile a .mar file??
[12:50] <jvai> now. do i use GEDIT to edit?
[12:50] <LjL> markw: but is that (the kernel source) an ubuntu package?
[12:50] <ompaul> kornito, and they have a bofh running the network
[12:50] <marlun> if for example I want to know which version of python-wxgtk that is installed on my system, how can I check?
[12:50] <markw> yes
[12:50] <Phuzion> How do I change a user's access level to allow them to access to the root of the system?
[12:50] <bob2> markw: dpkg -l packagename
[12:50] <Phuzion> Specifically, let them access /var/www
[12:50] <Stormx2> RewriteEngine On
[12:50] <Stormx2> RewriteRule ^sig.png sig.php
[12:50] <Stormx2>  <-- Not working :(
[12:50] <LjL> markw: weird then, but perhaps there's some reason why the linux kernel must be compiled with gcc3 yet?
[12:50] <kornito> but debian is too hard to install if the grandma's computer crashes
[12:50] <allorder> I just installed an eggdrop with apt-get the problem is if I don't do ./eggdrop -m /home/..../eggdrop.conf it doesnt work. someone can help pls ?
[12:50] <markw> ii  linux-tree-2.6.12                               2.6.12-9.23        Linux kernel tree for building prepackaged U
[12:50] <jvai> oooh. so. once shorewall, & squid is install.. i just "leav them be"?
[12:50] <GNULinuxGeek> Night All :>)
[12:51] <ompaul> kornito, you are now trolling
[12:51] <martin__> any ideas where to look?  Im pretty sure its and XML file
[12:51] <martin__> just cant find it  :(
[12:51] <bob2> Phuzion: sudo addgroup webmonkeys ; sudo chgrp webmonkeys /var/www ; sudo chmod g+rwxS /var/www ; sudo adduser theirusername webmonkeys
[12:51] <markw> LjL: working on a new 64 bit box to replace my aging desktop.
[12:51] <kakalto> is anyone else having troubles with dling torrents?
[12:51] <kakalto> I'm at 98.71%, and can't go any further
[12:51] <Phuzion> bob2: thanks
[12:51] <kakalto> it just stalled
[12:51] <tnag> OK - I've only put this unbuntu on my latop and I'm still tryign to find my way around
[12:51] <kakalto> and it's done that for the last day and a half
[12:51] <kornito> bob2: are you a CS grad student ?
[12:52] <LjL> markw: oh ic... then i'll take myself out, haven't ever used a 64bits machine, i suppose they have different issues when compiling (kernel) stuff is involved
[12:52] <bob2> Phuzion: (then add whoever else to the webmonkeys group)
[12:52] <bob2> kornito: no
[12:52] <jvai> <-- uninstallin squid & shorewall, to rely on iptables alone
[12:52] <tnag> can someone teel me (simply) if/how to indstall wireless cards
[12:52] <allorder> I just installed an eggdrop with apt-get the problem is if I don't do ./eggdrop -m /home/.../eggdrop.conf it doesnt work. someone can help pls ?
[12:53] <Phuzion> bob2:  Alright, I got the group, but now I need them to be able to access said directory through FTP.
[12:53] <jvai> tnag.. i gave up.. i'm using a orinoco gold 11b card now.. & got 2 silvers on the way from ebay
[12:53] <kornito> i struggle in the CS department. i'm a hustler
[12:53] <martin__> I need to backup the menu, exactly how it is now, and the icons I have on the menu panel, I was able to do it a few months ago, just cant find it in breezy now
[12:54] <ompaul> kornito, sit back and enjoy the lesson
[12:55] <blank> hey, how may I run a program so it's a process, in other words, say I'm running a server of some sort, how can I have it running without having the terminal window open
[12:55] <jvai> with ubuntu.. i guess the best place to b .. is to stay 1 bhind the freshest.. like.. when dapper comes out.. i'll move to breezy from hoary.. is that safe?
[12:55] <grodius> bv
[12:55] <bob2> blank: daemons will background themselves
[12:55] <truz24> blank, you can put an & on the end of the execution command as well...
[12:55] <Phuzion> bob2:  How do I make a user able to access the root of the system through FTP.
[12:55] <bob2> jvai: that will work, but it's kinda silly
[12:56] <bob2> Phuzion: you don'\t, that is a terrible idea
[12:56] <bob2> Phuzion: just setup the ftpd so they can access /var/www/
[12:56] <markw> does ubuntu support kernel-package?
[12:56] <jvai> why?? hoary is working
[12:56] <markw> heh, why yes it does..
[12:56] <Phuzion> bob2:  It's my own system on a local intranet, I'm not worried about security.
[12:56] <Phuzion> No external users.
[12:56] <Welly> is there a way to configure network settings (ip/dns etc.) from the terminal?
[12:56] <bob2> markw: yes
[12:56] <blank> trux24: Thanks, and how may I stop this process when I want?
[12:56] <bob2> Welly: sure, /etc/network/interfaces (man 5 interfaces)
[12:56] <bob2> Phuzion: ok
[12:56] <amonkey> is there anyway i can boost my mic anymore? i used amixer to turn capture to 100% but it's still rather soft.
[12:57] <Phuzion> amonkey:  you may have to look into hardware if you're at 100% boost level.
[12:57] <Secreth`X> yay, FINALLY found one that plays all my Mp3s :)
[12:58] <Secreth`X> now for my movies and Im good hehe
[12:59] <amonkey> Phuzion, amixer is for alsa(right?), what if the app i'm using uses oss, will those settings apply? is there a different mixer?
[12:59] <Phuzion> amonkey, I'm not familiar with what software you're using, just the fact that you may need to consider getting some type of hardware amplifier in order to get your voice louder through the PC.
[01:01] <amonkey> Phuzion, ah. thanks for the suggestion. maybe i can find a tape player with an in or something
[01:01] <Sanne> amonkey: usually you have an oss compatibility layer if you're using alsa (which I believe the breezy kernel implements), so the settings of alsamixer would apply also to oss apps.
[01:02] <Phuzion> How do I change a user's home folder?
[01:02] <martin__> anyone know where de menu and panel shortcuts are stored?   I need to backup it up to a diff pc
[01:02] <bob2> Phuzion: edit /etc/passwd (carefully)
[01:02] <markw> argh.   new stuff all the time.  Pentium 820-D (dual core), so do I do SMP, or SMT?
[01:03] <markw> I'm under the impression I do SMP.
[01:03] <bob2> smp
[01:03] <mjr> smp, yeah
[01:03] <Aven> hi
[01:03] <Aven> everytime I add a user...
[01:03] <Aven> the password automaticlly changes itself..
[01:04] <amonkey> Sanne, is there a mixer for oss so i can check?
[01:04] <Welly> what value needs setting for "broadcast"?
[01:05] <Sanne> amonkey: hmmm... I'm having aumix in my menu, I believe this is an oss mixer. Not sure though.
[01:05] <amonkey> Sanne, thanks
[01:06] <Sanne> amonkey: but I think, if it works, it does it also through the alsa compatibility layer. What I definitely know is, you can#t have both alsa and oss loaded at the same time.
[01:06] <martin__> no one else is picky on there desktop?
[01:06] <NoobieDoobieDo> ?
[01:06] <gleesond> I'm having trouble copying files off of back up dvd's that I created in windows. I can copy about half of the files then it starts saying that there is an input/output error.
[01:07] <Shadowpillar> why doesn't xine upgrade?
[01:07] <Shadowpillar> I just got a breezy CD and I'm doing a smart upgrade
[01:07] <Hobbsee> Shadow777: try sudo apt-get install xine
[01:08] <Shadowpillar> but totem and xine are being removed and xine cant be installed
[01:08] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[01:08] <Secreth`X> err
[01:08] <Secreth`X> gotta go
[01:08] <Secreth`X> see ya..
[01:08] <Shadowpillar> and I upgraded all http reps as well
[01:09] <Aven> man :(((
[01:09] <Aven> everytime I add a user, the password automaticlly changes itself :(
[01:09] <funky> hi
[01:09] <funky> whats the default user/passwd for cups in ubuntu ?
[01:09] <funky> root/passwd doesnt work
[01:10] <fruud> i cant compile "window decorations" i get huge errors :)
[01:10] <meatwad65> hey everyone i fixed my touchpad
[01:11] <meatwad65> but i get an error when i start gnome that says failed to initialize hal...what does that mean exactly?
[01:11] <LjL> fruud: care to be a little more specific?
[01:11] <fruud> make[2] : *** [configdialog.lo]  Error 1
[01:11] <fruud> make[2] : Leaving directory `/root/Desktop/knifty-0.3.4/client/config'
[01:11] <fruud> make[1] : *** [install-recursive]  Error 1
[01:11] <fruud> make[1] : Leaving directory `/root/Desktop/knifty-0.3.4/client'
[01:11] <fruud> make: *** [install-recursive]  Error 1
[01:11] <fruud> for exmpl.
[01:11] <Hobbsee> fruud: paste the errors in the pastebin!
[01:11] <fruud> *_*
[01:11] <Hobbsee> !paste
[01:11] <ubotu> well, paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[01:11] <LjL> that doesn't mean anything, anyway, the real errors are well before that
[01:12] <Hobbsee> fruud: /topic
[01:12] <fruud> ok ill post
[01:12] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:13] <fruud> done
[01:13] <fruud> posted now
[01:13] <LjL> fruud: URL?
[01:13] <fruud> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4324
[01:13] <Shadowpillar> does gstreamer support dvd playback yet?
[01:13] <meatwad65> is there a ubuntu guide for 5.10 yet?
[01:13] <LjL> fruud: also, can you give me the URL you downloaded that knifty from, so i can try compiling it?
[01:13] <Shadowpillar> *GOOD* dvd playback?
[01:13] <fruud> kk
[01:13] <fruud> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=288
[01:13] <Hobbsee> !tell meatwad65 about faq
[01:13] <fruud> there
[01:14] <LjL> fruud: from the errors you gave, it looks like that program is broken with ubuntu, but let me give it a try
[01:14] <fruud> aight aight, go ahead
[01:15] <LjL> fruud: that URL is about "silver deco", which isn't a compilable package...
[01:15] <LjL> er, i mean, it isn't source code
[01:15] <kornito> too many linux distros. this is all whack
[01:16] <Homer> never fear
[01:16] <Homer> homer is here
[01:16] <Homer> !!!
[01:16] <ubotu> ! is, like, what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[01:16] <fruud> :O
[01:16] <ojt> hi guys
[01:16] <jgw> ! `cat /etc/passwd`
[01:16] <ubotu> jgw: Do they come in packets of five?
[01:16] <Hobbsee> hi ojt
[01:16] <LjL> fruud: what's URL to the archive you're actually trying to *compile*? i suppose it's knifty, but
[01:16] <ojt> got a poblem here
[01:16] <Shadowpillar> this shit is pissing me off
[01:17] <Seveas> Shadowpillar, please watch your language...
[01:17] <Homer> I agree, we should all work on one distro
[01:17] <Homer> lets call it United Linux !
[01:17] <fruud> http://www.kde-look.org/content/download.php?content=7290&id=1
[01:17] <LjL> what did he say?
[01:17] <badcom> Quando tento gravar algo no disquete, aparece que nao tenho permissao.  Obrigada.
[01:17] <Seveas> ah right
[01:18] <Seveas> so similar to the outsider
[01:18] <fruud> LjL, will this work for me ? Really want that one ( http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=12330 )
[01:18] <german> Hello
[01:18] <Seveas> hi german
[01:18] <LjL> ;) i sometimes take them both for italian, and i *am* italian, go figure
[01:18] <german> Hi Seveas, need some help...
[01:19] <Seveas> german, let's hope we can help... what's the problem?
[01:19] <blank> Seveas & LjL = Teh Pimpz
[01:19] <blank> !ubotu!
[01:19] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me.  Please don't play with me in the channel; experiment with me in /msg
[01:20] <german> when I start linux appear in the shell...
[01:20] <blank> danke
[01:20] <german> Umcomppressing Linux...
[01:20] <german> then it appears
[01:20] <macintoshr> heh 5 minutes ago i had 10 5.10 cds
[01:20] <macintoshr> now i have 3
[01:20] <blank> why
[01:20] <ojt> what does these means?
[01:20] <meatwad65> wow that help documentation really helps
[01:20] <Seveas> macintoshr, 2 weeks ago I had 700, now I have 100
[01:20] <macintoshr> one x86, one amd64 and one PPC...
[01:20] <ojt> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org2-core_1.9.129-0.1ubuntu4_i386.deb: corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive
[01:20] <meatwad65> i didn't know it was embedded that easily
[01:21] <german> Pnp: PnPACPI:Method_Name__CRS Failure for PNP0c02
[01:21] <Seveas> ojt, sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get install openoffice.org2
[01:21] <german> and
[01:21] <LjL> fruud: just hold on some minutes, i've got to install the kde devs package to compile that stuff
[01:21] <ojt> seveas,ok
[01:21] <fruud> aight :)
[01:21] <fruud> np np
[01:21] <fruud> ty for helping LjL
[01:21] <fruud> (Y)
[01:21] <german> Pnp: PnPACPI: Method_name__CRS Failure for PNP0c01
[01:21] <ghostfreeman_> How do I enable the VNC service from a secure shell?
[01:22] <Seveas> german, hmm, sounds like a buggy bios
[01:22] <Seveas> does it end there or does it still continue to start up?
[01:22] <german> it ends there
[01:22] <german> then it starts with [OK]
[01:23] <ojt> seveas,here's the result
[01:23] <german> like... doing stuff..........................[OK]
[01:23] <ojt> seveas,openoffice.org2: Depends: openoffice.org2-core (> 1.9.129) but it is not going to be installed
[01:23] <Seveas> ojt, apt-get install openoffice.org2-core
[01:23] <Seveas> output on the pastebin
[01:23] <ojt> seveas,ok
[01:23] <Seveas> german, and no more than that?
[01:24] <seth_k|lappy> Anyone know how to get phpEclipse working with Breezy's 3.1.1ubuntu1 Eclipse packages? The wiki instructions don't work
[01:24] <german> Seveas, no, just those 2 lines, then everyting is normal
[01:24] <ArnoudDeVries> Anyone who got mod_mono installed on 5.10 with apache2?
[01:24] <german> but im worried about thjose 2 lines
[01:25] <ojt> seveas,can i ask what's the cause of these erors?
[01:25] <Seveas> german, try bootng with acpi=off as kernel parameter
[01:25] <Seveas> ojt, yes you can, but I don't know
[01:25] <Seveas> that's why I requested the output of that command ;)
[01:25] <LjL> fruud: you're using the wrong version of KNifty, you need this one: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=8841
[01:25] <meatwad65> does anyone know why pan development died? i thought it was the best newsreader
[01:26] <german> Seveas, it like you're talking chinesse to me :P
[01:26] <Seveas> meatwad65, it's slowly creeping out of a standstill
[01:26] <fruud> will it work for me with the other one i said to ya i really wanted to ? if u find a working verison :)
[01:26] <LjL> german: while GRUB is visible before booting, follow the instruction to "edit the command line", and add "acpi=off" to that command line
[01:27] <sockpuppe1> what is the command to fond out whats running on a certain port?
[01:27] <Seveas> german, paste the file /boot/grub/menu.lst on http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:27] <fruud> LjL, this one  ( http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=12330 )
[01:27] <Seveas> sockpuppe1, sudo netstat -tlnp
[01:27] <ojt> sevas,ok thnx anyways
[01:27] <Welly> right, i changed /etc/networking/interfaces I *think* correctly.. restarted networking and the new IP address looked to be correct as I could ping it, however I couldn't ping www.yahoo.co.uk
[01:27] <Welly> i've looked at /etc/resolv.conf and my dns servers are set up correctly
[01:27] <Welly> doing ifconfig showed nothing
[01:27] <blank> anyone know where I can get the limewire through apt get or the limewire tarball?
[01:28] <LjL> fruud: that one doesn't seem to have anything to do with KNifty. let me try to compile it as well
[01:28] <Seveas> !limewire
[01:28] <ubotu> from memory, limewire is first you need !java, then download the http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and unpack it. Then just run the runLime.sh file. Voila.
[01:28] <yaoming>
[01:28] <fruud> okey, sry for beein pain in the ass :p
[01:28] <kbrooks> is limewire prop?
[01:28] <jvai> ljl.. i do this everytime during boot.. is there anyway i can make that stay, bcause i wanna add my gyrl as a user, she know sqwat about editing the boot menu
[01:28] <kbrooks> proprietary
[01:28] <german> thanks Seveas, ill try it
[01:29] <sockpuppe1> its opensource
[01:29] <Tokenizer> i have a second hardrive with nothing in it, made in fat32 blank.. i can't mount it using any of the following commands/utilities: fdisk , ubuntu disk manager, and mount
[01:29] <LjL> jvai: yeah, look at /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:29] <Tokenizer> any ideas?
[01:29] <jvai> but when i go there i cant edit.. it's read only
[01:29] <sockpuppe1> has anyone tried frostwire
[01:29] <fruud> LjL, Still getting humooongos errors of that knifty u gave me :O
[01:29] <sockpuppe1> ?
[01:29] <n0odl3> is it possible to sudo apt-get xfce?
[01:29] <Seveas> n0odl3, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[01:29] <kbrooks> n0odl3: add "install"
[01:30] <n0odl3> Seveas" so its xubuntu-desktop
[01:30] <Seveas> n0odl3, yeah
[01:30] <xx94> nnoooo!
[01:30] <xx94> my apt-get is still messed upp
[01:30] <shwag> my mplayer plugin in firefox only plays streaming videos choppy. its a software issue, but i dont know how to fix it.
[01:30] <ramblingturtle> when trying to update my system i get an error saying that packages can not be authenticated and receive the same message when trying to install programs like gnomebaker. any ideas on what this means or how to fix it would be appericated
[01:30] <meatwad65> so there has been pan development lately?
[01:30] <Seveas> xx94, paste the errors you get on the pastebin
[01:31] <xx94> do i need more config files
[01:31] <Seveas> meatwad65, not much
[01:31] <LathropWells> Tokenizer - one of the nce people here created a very useful scrip called winmac_fstab to find and mount all partitions easily.
[01:31] <meatwad65> i heard there was progress back in like may but haven't heard anything since
[01:31] <LathropWells> !ntfs
[01:31] <ubotu> I guess ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[01:31] <meatwad65> thats a shame
[01:31] <Tokenizer> lathropwell.. actually it was an NTFS drive before that i mounted using winmac_fstab
[01:31] <ramblingturtle> i am trying to install the programs via synaptic by the way
[01:32] <meatwad65> does anyone here use newsreaders at all?
[01:32] <LjL> fruud: install also kdebase-dev, and it should work
[01:32] <Tokenizer> now i formated it, but a line remains in /etc/fstab that says /dev/hdb1 is an ntfs drive..... i commented it, how can i remove the winmac_fstab script that i ran (i.e. undo it) and start over
[01:32] <LjL> meatwad65: yeah, knode :)
[01:32] <fruud> oke oke .)
[01:32] <LathropWells> Tokenizer - what command are you using to mount it (syntax) and what errors are you seeing?
[01:32] <Seveas> meatwad65, pan ;)
[01:33] <JanC> Tokenizer: remove the old entry for the NTFS partition from fstab & re-run the script?
[01:33] <foobar> is there a hotkey combo to spawn a terminal?
[01:33] <german> Seveas... it's posted
[01:33] <meatwad65> i heard this bnr is cross-platform
[01:33] <meatwad65> i've used it in windows before
[01:33] <LjL> foobar: F4 in KDE, dunno in gnome
[01:33] <meatwad65> i used klibido before which seems to be the closest thing to pan
[01:33] <xx94> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4326
[01:34] <Tokenizer> actually i did that it didn't work... what i did is that i removed the etc/fstab entry just now and went through re formating using the gnome tool at System>Admin>disks ..... now it works
[01:34] <Seveas> german, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/f4327
[01:34] <ryanpg> hi all... the one thing preventing me from going to ubunut is the absence of xorg RC1/RC2, is it currently possible to install this package on breezy?
[01:34] <LathropWells> Tokenizer - Thats Great :0
[01:34] <LathropWells> :)
[01:34] <Seveas> spot the difference (it's marked)
[01:34] <Seveas> and edit that file
[01:34] <h4zn> how can i plaqy wmp files on ubuntu?
[01:35] <meatwad65> what are the new xorg versions supposed to give now?
[01:35] <ryanpg> IIRC when I last looked into the issue xorg RC1 was not yet in dapper, has it made it in yet and if so could I pull that package into breezy?
[01:35] <german> let me check it ;)
[01:35] <brett> I need urgent help. Something wack happend with my main account I made during installation so I deleted it and made a new one. I need to get back onto the admin panel to see something but it won't let me...what can I do?
[01:35] <JanC> foobar: if there isn't one by default, you can set a hotkey in System-->Preferences-->Hotkeys (or something like that, non-English Ubuntu here)
[01:36] <h4zn> how can i plaqy wmp files on ubuntu?
[01:36] <h4zn> how can i play wmp files on ubuntu?
[01:36] <brett> :\
[01:37] <Tokenizer> well.. one thing remains...... you know the window in  System>Admin>Disks ..... when i click on drive i can format it, then i can click enable......... that works and i can browse the device which is emtpy... then i try to look at fstab again, and i see no entry for /dev/hdb ..... when i click on "Computer" under places menu .... i see no icon for my drive...... how can i now add this device so that it is's usable.....
[01:37] <Hobbsee> !tell h4zn about w32codecs
[01:37] <brett> Can no one help?
[01:37] <dvhart> I'm having trouble getting my hplip printer to work.  The scanner works via saned and hplip, but the printer doesn't.  Cups just says it's aborting jobs, and hp-toolbox says it's "powered down or unplugged"
[01:38] <bimberi> brett: boot into recovery mode and "adduser <newuser> admin"
[01:38] <LjL> brett: i think you just aren't in the sudoers list anymore, 'cause only the first-created user is. but i don't quite know how to solve that
[01:38] <dvhart> I've tried over both usb and network (powered down msg over network only)
[01:38] <foobar> janc: thanks =)
[01:38] <h4zn> how can i play wmv files on ubuntu?
[01:38] <titanium2> i ssh to my ubuntu box using Putty (from windows). im running a certain program which i want to leave running all the time, so i do ./binary & to start it, and then 'exit' to logout and close putty; however since i have something running in the bg putty just sits there and i have to force-close it. is there a better way to get something to run all the time? (i already have it set to run on system startup but it crashes sometimes and i have to re-
[01:38] <german> Seveas, so the line is kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hda6 ro quiet splash acpi=off
[01:38] <xx94> *seveas* do u know what the problem is w/ myn apt
[01:38] <german> thanks!!
[01:38] <brett> how do I boot into recovery mode? When grub comes up?
[01:38] <Seveas> german, yup
[01:38] <german> no i'll try it
[01:38] <LjL> h4zn: have you seen ubotu's replies?
[01:38] <Seveas> xx94, did you paste the errors on the pastebin?
[01:38] <bimberi> brett: where <newuser> is the name of the new account
[01:39] <xx94> mhewh
[01:39] <german> just save the new file & reboot??
[01:39] <brett> what?
[01:39] <bimberi> brett: yes
[01:39] <Seveas> german, yes
[01:39] <brett> ok brb
[01:39] <xx94> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4326
[01:39] <xx94> *seveas* did u get it?
[01:40] <Seveas> looking...
[01:40] <fruud> how did i open .deb files agian ? :(
[01:40] <bimberi> fruud: sudo dpkg -i <file>
[01:40] <Julfisk> Can I disable join and quit messages?
[01:41] <Seveas> xx94, woah -- looks like a server error
[01:41] <Julfisk> I use xchat
[01:41] <meatwad65> is there a way so gnome automatically activates wlan0 on startup?
[01:41] <german> ok Seveas, i'm rebooting now
[01:41] <german> hhaa
[01:41] <Seveas> xx94, can you post your sources.list on the bin too please
[01:41] <xx94> ok
[01:41] <shadeofgrey> hey everybody
[01:41] <german> hope u're right
[01:41] <NoobieDoobieDo> hi
[01:41] <shadeofgrey> i need guidance...
[01:41] <psusi> anyone know why configure scripts would say the compiler can not create executables?  of course it can
[01:41] <dvhart> meatwad65, you can do that in /etc/network/interfaces
[01:42] <meatwad65> thanks
[01:42] <dvhart> meatwad65, it isn't really gnome's job
[01:42] <dvhart> meatwad65, 'auto wlan0'
[01:42] <bimberi> psusi: have you installed the build-essential package?
[01:42] <shadeofgrey> anybody present have a lot of experience, otr atleast a moderate amount ofexperience turning a ubuntu installation into a powerful standalone mailserver?
[01:42] <psusi> bimberi, yep...
[01:42] <meatwad65> i wasn't sure where that was at thanks
[01:42] <bimberi> psusi: hm
[01:43] <jgw> hrm everytime an opengl screensaver runs my entire machine locks up, except i can still move the mouse cursor
[01:43] <shadeofgrey> if so, someone please private message me so that we can get a private dialogue going....   my boss wants me to puit togethger afully functioning mailserver using ubuntu
[01:43] <Julfisk> I can't run quake2 through wine with opengl
[01:43] <xx94> *seveas* http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4331
[01:43] <shadeofgrey> actually he wantss meto use fedora or some other vcersion of linux
[01:44] <shadeofgrey> i convinced him that ubuntui is a better option
[01:44] <xx94> *seveas* thats my souces.list
[01:44] <jon_> This is Brett_ I got my account back
[01:44] <solidgroove> Julfisk, why are you using wine, get binary
[01:44] <meatwad65> should cd's automount?
[01:44] <shadeofgrey> but unfortunately have no idea how to go about it so any help; on that front would be morw than appreciated
[01:44] <jgw> shade: its pretty much the same as any other distro
[01:44] <shadeofgrey> hry everybody
[01:44] <Julfisk> solidgroove, I'm all new to linux in general. And I really can't get q2 work that way :p
[01:44] <german> Hi Seveas
[01:44] <jon_> I'm getting errors when I boot. Now for some odd reason it's saying "You need to be root to run this program"
[01:45] <shadeofgrey> is the stable full version of openoffivce 2 stable available through synaptic yet?
[01:45] <german> Thanks!!
[01:45] <Hobbsee> shadeofgrey: no
[01:45] <hav0k> hey, whats up with the i386 and i586 and i686 stuff?
[01:45] <german> Seveas, my problem is solved. :)
[01:45] <Seveas> xx94, these sources work fine here at the moment, can you try 'sudo apt-get update' again to see if they work for you now
[01:45] <Seveas> german, cool
[01:45] <hav0k> what does all that mean
[01:45] <german> can you please exlain me what i have done??
[01:45] <LathropWells> shadeofgrey, - take a look at this article http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_5.04_p6
[01:45] <german> hhaha
[01:46] <Seveas> german, the error messages were about broken acpi stuff, so we disabled acpi
[01:46] <bimberi> !ooo2
[01:46] <ubotu> Test packages for OpenOffice.org 2 are available - http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-October/012520.html
[01:46] <Seveas> to make this permanent you need to add acpi=off to the line in menu.lst that starts with KOPT
[01:46] <Seveas> or #KOPT
[01:46] <german> and what's broken acpi, its there any problem with my computer??
[01:47] <Seveas> german, is the machine fairly old?
[01:47] <jon_> bimberi : I need to ask you a question...I'm Brett_, This is the account I deleted and recovered, my bottom bar where my trash bin and etc is; it isn't there anymore.
[01:47] <german> nop
[01:47] <jgw> is there a way to disable the screensaver via the commandline? in my settings, that is. i cant turn them off in the gui, because everytime i open the screen saver config app, the opengl preview locks my machine up
[01:47] <_Dez> !cheatcodes
[01:47] <ubotu> _Dez: What?
[01:47] <german> i just bought it a few months ago
[01:47] <_Dez> anyone know the cheatcodes for ubuntu
[01:47] <LjL> fruud: still here?
[01:47] <Seveas> _Dez, wth do you mean?
[01:47] <_Dez> i need to dissable Raid and acpi
[01:47] <xx94> *seveas* still no work ill post error in #paste ok?
[01:47] <german> it's an Intel pentium 4
[01:47] <Seveas> xx94, k
[01:48] <Seveas> german, hmm, that IS weird
[01:48] <bimberi> jon_: right-click on the top-panel and create a new panel
[01:48] <jon_> I did. Now it's empty.
[01:48] <_Dez> how do i disable -> disable Raid and acpi
[01:48] <fruud> yes, this aint goin very good...
[01:49] <Tokenizer> ok.... finally got it mounted however it's readonly...... how can i set the permission to this drive called /dev/hdb/ that is empty so thta i could drag and drop files to it.... i mounted /dev/hdb to /media/hdbdrive ...... i tried chmod 777 the hdbdrive however i got permission error
[01:49] <fruud> i get errors all over again
[01:49] <bimberi> jon_: now right-click on it and add applets (trash is about half way down - under Desktop & WIndows)
[01:49] <Blippe> where is the alsa-settings? i want to check the dmix settings...
[01:49] <german> Seveas, I've been running Win XP  with non problems at all... well maybe some virus and stuff
[01:49] <jon_> Oh k..thanks!
[01:49] <shadeofgrey> no i dont mean the test versiuon...  i mean the actual stable final release of oo.oorg2
[01:49] <bimberi> jon_: np :)
[01:50] <jon_> Errors keep popping up for no reason now like this: The Application "gnome-panel" has quit unexpectedly.
[01:50] <LissaSleep> wth?!
[01:50] <dooglus> whenever I try to run an X application from the command line I see "Tried to connect to session manager, networkIdsList argument is NULL".  I googled for that string and found exactly 0 matches!
[01:50] <LissaSleep> my laptop is working
[01:50] <LissaSleep> *boggle*
[01:50] <jon_> brb
[01:50] <Seveas> german, please file a bug in http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com against the 'linux' component describing your error messages
[01:50] <Tokenizer> anyone... anyone knows how to set permission for /dev/hdb so that i could right to it? right now chmod'ing it is not working
[01:51] <shwag> my mplayer plugin in firefox only plays streaming videos choppy. its a software issue, but i dont know how to fix it.  Can someone recommend some sort of troubleshootin method ?
[01:51] <german> i'll do that
[01:51] <Seveas> then the developers know about the problem
[01:51] <psusi> if I wanted to use strace to see what external programs get invoked a a program... what system call do I need to trace?  -eexecve or -efork don't show any calls
[01:51] <Seveas> also attacht /var/log/dmesg (after *removing* acpi=off again and rebooting)
[01:51] <german> seveas, i've nver used bugzilla before, this is my first time!! :P
[01:51] <Seveas> german, *g*, ig you need help with it, just shout
[01:52] <walter> Hello. I have installed kubuntu, it went through fine. But when I try to get into X, it says 'Fatal error: no screens found' Yes yes, I have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, trying many different drivers and settings. It still will not boot.
[01:52] <xx94> *seveas* just pasted it
[01:52] <walter> My specs are: AMD Athlon 64 3400+, 1 gig ram, ATI Radeon x800 gto
[01:52] <walter> :/
[01:52] <jon_> bimberi: I keep getting 2 errors when I boot onto my desktop: You need to be root to run this program....and missing command to run
[01:53] <theine> walter, could you post /etc/X11/xorg.conf over at pastebin.com?
[01:54] <jon_> And GAIM just starts to run..
[01:54] <theine> jon_, do you get these messages right after the login screen?
[01:54] <LissaSleep> walter: You're going to have issues with it. Also make sure you're using a 64 build of ubuntu.
[01:54] <bimberi> jon_: i'm not sure sorry, any clues as to what program, then you can look for what's calling it
[01:54] <LissaSleep> it's an issue w/ ATI chipsets
[01:54] <jon_> theine: Yes, right when I boot into my system the errors start.
[01:54] <Seveas> jon_, system -> preferences -> sessions
[01:54] <Seveas> 3rd tab (starup programs)
[01:55] <theine> jon_, see above...
[01:55] <h4zn> LjL, yes
[01:55] <jon_> Alright i'm there.
[01:55] <h4zn> but they still dont work
[01:55] <_Dez> how do i disable -> disable Raid and acpi
[01:55] <Seveas> _Dez, acpi=off on the commandline
[01:55] <Seveas> and disable the various initscripts for raid/evms etc...
[01:55] <jon_> So now what?
[01:55] <dooglus> psusi: execve
[01:55] <Seveas> jon_, *kernel* commadn line, sorry
[01:56] <Seveas> which means: editing /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:56] <jon_> What does that mean? I just got my Linux system up yesterday
[01:56] <psusi> dooglus, I tried strace -eexecve, didn't show any calls
[01:56] <psusi> just a bunch of SIGCHLDs
[01:56] <dooglus> psusi: I did a test case using "find -exec".  I needed to use "strace -f" for some reason to see the execve.  look: $ strace -f find . -type f -exec /bin/ls -l '{}' ";" 2>&1 | grep ' exec'
[01:56] <dooglus> [pid  7097]  execve("/bin/ls", ["/bin/ls", "-l", "./10000"] , [/* 36 vars */] ) = 0
[01:56] <psusi> hrm...
[01:56] <Melissa83> walter: What worked for me was using the VESA drivers
[01:57] <fenderman> hi everybody :)
[01:57] <dooglus> psusi: why don't I see the execve call if I don't use the -f flag to strace?
[01:57] <psusi> beats me
[01:57] <Melissa83> walter: Plus my laptop is EXTREMELY sensitive as to screen resolution. Also, I'm told that the CVS of Xorg supports the ati chipsets, so i'm working on getting those.
[01:57] <bimberi> Seveas: last 2 lines posts meant for _Dez (not jon_)?
[01:57] <SGershon> :P I've installed ApachePHP and mySQL. How can I make them work together?
[01:57] <ojt> seveas,thnx a lot
[01:57] <jon_> Ok...
[01:57] <pdk> i came to ask again
[01:57] <ojt> seveas,it works
[01:58] <jon_> So, i'm in the sessions and now what? How can I get theese errors to stop?
[01:58] <pdk> if anyone has any idea what's up with this error i get everytime i try to run the ubuntu install cd on this old comp i have
[01:58] <pdk> or any linux livecd for that matter :\
[01:58] <bimberi> jon_: anything listed in the startup programs tab?
[01:58] <xx94> *seveas* got big error once more
[01:58] <fenderman> i have the dumbest question but please help me, how can i learn to use ubuntu? i mean command line and all
[01:58] <Seveas> bimberi, nice catch :|
[01:58] <xx94> *seveas* other error in #paste
[01:58] <pdk> i wrote a log of one of my attempts if it helps
[01:58] <Phuzion> How do I make a user have full access in /var/www
[01:59] <bimberi> Seveas: go to bed! :P
[01:59] <psusi> AHA!
[01:59] <jon_> No. But GAIM starts up and 2 errors pop up. And when I was trying to add more panels to the panel and error kept coming up when I came half way down
[01:59] <psusi> omg... it's trying to link an elf-i386 image.. no wonder it is failing
[01:59] <Melissa83> fenderman: http://www.linuxcommands.org
[01:59] <ArnoudDeVries> anyone using mod_mono with apache2?
[01:59] <psusi> now WTF is it doing that?
[01:59] <Seveas> xx94, are you behind some sort of filering procy perhaps?
[01:59] <dooglus> psusi: I think that clone() is the system call you need to look for
[01:59] <anavim> what is bendy?
[01:59] <Phuzion> ArbiydDeVries, what do you need, just to install it?
[02:00] <fenderman> thanks melissa, i'll check that for sure but is there a book or something more "straight foreward" that you can recommend
[02:00] <ArnoudDeVries> yes tried installing it but getting error 503
[02:00] <preglow> there used to be a package for the x nvidia driver, yes? can anyone remember what it is/was called? i upgraded to breezy and my x doesn't take too kindly to me anymore
[02:00] <psusi> dooglus, I didn't really want the fork... execve is what I was looking for... shows the command line it passed to ld
[02:00] <psusi> and it's telling ld to make an elf-i386 image for some reason
[02:00] <psusi> which is probably why it is failing
[02:00] <_Dez> how do i disable RAID and ACPI when booting?>
[02:00] <Phuzion> ArnoudDeVries, you modded apache2.conf, correct?
[02:00] <ArnoudDeVries> yes
[02:00] <Melissa83> fenderman: Well, for more advanced reading (and not a bad book either if you can stomach it) is "Unix: In a Nutshell"
[02:00] <theine> psusi, what kind of image do you want to generate?
[02:00] <eliezer> hello people! i wonder if you can help me. i have two HD, one has Windows, the other one Linux. Im on the linux one right now (obvously ;) ) but Id like to transfer some of my files to the Linux HD before getting rid of the windows one. Suggestions?
[02:00] <dooglus> psusi: problem is, the process uses 'clone' to make a new process, and after that you're no longer tracing the child, so you don't see the exec.
[02:00] <anavim> is bendy the the old name for 5.10 which is now breezy?
[02:00] <Phuzion> ArnoudDeVries, follow these instructions.
[02:00] <Phuzion> http://www.apacheworld.org/modmono/INSTALL
[02:00] <dooglus> psusi: unless you 'strace -f'
[02:01] <german> Seveas, tell me if it's ok
[02:01] <ArnoudDeVries> i recompiled with debugging on and i see in the apache log errors about now finding the socket
[02:01] <theine> _Dez, for raid, sudo dpkg-reconfigure mdadm
[02:01] <psusi> theine, seeing as how I'm on amd64, I would think it should use that
[02:01] <german> i'm not english native speaker
[02:01] <psusi> dooglus, right...
[02:01] <fenderman> i just love ubuntu and don't want to stop using it because i don't know how to use it
[02:01] <ArnoudDeVries> i'll take a look thanks
[02:01] <theine> psusi, elf-i386 runs fine on AMD64
[02:01] <jon_> I KNOW WHAT IT IS!!
[02:01] <german> I'm running an intel pentium 4 machine, with Ubuntu version 5.04, and when booting linux the appears the following:
[02:01] <german> Pnp:PnPACPI:Method_Name__CRS Failure for PNP0C02
[02:01] <german> Pnp:PnPACPI:Method_Name__CRS Failure for PNP0C01
[02:01] <german> Please help me!!
[02:01] <sexcopter8000m> is it possible to control cpu scaling? mine goes down to 798mhz, but there must be instances where i can drop it even lower quite safely...
[02:01] <anavim> fenderman, so don't
[02:01] <xx94> *seveas* im not sure
[02:01] <dooglus> psusi: it's basically a fork-and-exec, except it's using clone() instead of fork()
[02:01] <_Dez> theine what about ACPI
[02:01] <psusi> theine, yea... but I don't think the compiler can create them by default
[02:01] <Phuzion> How do I make a user have full read/write access to /var/www?
[02:01] <xx94> *seveas* but i run a couple servers on my box
[02:02] <theine> _Dez, take a look at /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:02] <jon_> Last night I was doing the updates, I clicked before I logged out when I boot back into the screenname that the updates will automatically install...but they aren't
[02:02] <dooglus> Phuzion: if only one user wants access, change it to be owned by that user:  sudo chown dood:dood /var/www
[02:02] <Phuzion> dooglus, will root be able to get into there too?
[02:02] <dooglus> Phuzion: root can get everywhere :)
[02:02] <eliezer> hello people! i wonder if you can help me. i have two HD, one has Windows, the other one Linux. Im on the linux one right now (obvously ;) ) but Id like to transfer some of my files to the Linux HD before getting rid of the windows one. Suggestions?
[02:02] <Phuzion> Sweet.
[02:03] <Phuzion> dooglus, what is the dood:dood?
[02:03] <theine> _Dez, you need to add "acpi=off" to the kopt line, i.e. replace "# kopt=root=/dev/hdX ro" by "# kopt=root=/dev/hdX ro acpi=off"
[02:03] <jon_> C'mon, no one knows how to fix this?
[02:03] <n0odl3> how do i change my background with xfce?
[02:03] <dooglus> Phuzion: alternatively, you could use the group instead:  add your user to the www-data group (sudo adduser dood www-data) and change the group of the dir to be www-data (sudo chgrp www-data /var/www) then make it group-writable: (sudo chmod g+w /var/www)
[02:03] <Unition> im having problems getting the dvd to run on my computer...
[02:03] <psusi> wait... I'm confused now...
[02:03] <theine> jon_, what error message are you actually getting?
[02:03] <dooglus> Phuzion: that is the username twice
[02:03] <psusi> [pid 18763]  execve("/usr/bin/ld", ["/usr/bin/ld", "--eh-frame-hdr", "-m", "elf_i386", "-dynamic-linker", "/lib/ld-linux.so.2", "/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4."..., "/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4."..., "/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4."..., "-L/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/"..., "-L/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/"..., "-L/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/"..., "-L/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/"..., "-L/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/"..., "-L/usr
[02:03] <psusi> /lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/"..., "-L/lib/../lib32", ...] , [/* 53 vars */] ) = 0
[02:03] <anavim> jon_, did you try to reinstall?
[02:03] <dooglus> Phuzion: I'm assuming your user is called dude
[02:03] <Unition> im getting a black screen when it try's to boot the live dvd
[02:04] <psusi> I see that in the strace output... why is elf_i386 in there?
[02:04] <jon_> 1 sec let me exit my account and relog in brb
[02:04] <theine> psusi, elf_i386 is fine, I tell ya
[02:04] <dooglus> psusi: is that from "strace -f"?
[02:04] <Phuzion> dooglus, so it would be chown Phuzion:Phuzion /var/www?
[02:04] <psusi> hrm...
[02:04] <psusi> dooglus, yes
[02:04] <eliezer> im in trouble and i need help. :( //  i have two HD, one has Windows, the other one Linux. Im on the linux one right now (obvously ;) ) but Id like to transfer some of my files to the Linux HD before getting rid of the windows one. Suggestions?
[02:05] <psusi> maybe there's a better way to trace this... can you ask bash to echo commands it processes in the configure script?
[02:05] <bimberi> eliezer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[02:05] <theine> eliezer, boot linux and copy them over
[02:05] <dooglus> Phuzion: yeah.  but the group thing is probably better.
[02:05] <Phuzion> Alright
[02:05] <jgw> hrm ati 9x000 vid card + opengl screensaver + ubuntu 5.10 == lockup / solution == install fglrx xorg driver, which wasnt installed by default
[02:05] <psusi> that way I can just look at what configure is running, not all the grand children
[02:05] <theine> psusi, look at config.log
[02:05] <dooglus> Phuzion: 'cos then, in the future, you can add more users to the group to give them access.
[02:05] <eliezer> the thing is that the Windows HD is not being recognized.
[02:05] <eliezer> If im on Windows I can't see the HD with Linux.
[02:05] <dooglus> Phuzion: when the little Phuzions grow up and want websites of their own...  :)
[02:05] <psusi> theine, useless... just says configure: exit 77
[02:06] <theine> psusi, that's the only thing it's saying??
[02:06] <dooglus> psusi: the -m is for eMulation, apparently
[02:06] <eliezer> I guess theyre not on Master/Slave configuration, I can't open my CPU to verify that because the warranty would be avoided. =P
[02:06] <psusi> theine, well, it shows a bunch of variables it has
[02:06] <ryanpg> so no one knows if xorg RC1 are available for breezy?
[02:06] <theine> eliezer, you need to mount the windows partition by hand then
[02:06] <psusi> it doesnot show the command it invoked that failed
[02:06] <_Dez> .xinitrc
[02:06] <theine> psusi, can you paste it at pastebin.com?
[02:06] <_Dez> where do i change these
[02:06] <eliezer> how can i do that theine?
[02:06] <psusi> ok...
[02:06] <dooglus> psusi: "bash -x" will echo commands as it runs them
[02:06] <theine> eliezer, which partition is your windows installation on?
[02:06] <dooglus> psusi: or "set -x" in a running bash
[02:07] <eliezer> is not a partition, i have two HD.
[02:07] <jon_> The errors didn't pop up this time.
[02:07] <_Dez> how do i change this .xinitrc
[02:07] <theine> eliezer, you still have at least one partition.
[02:07] <_Dez> i mean where is .xinitrc locaed
[02:07] <jon_> But I still have one more problem. Can anyone help?
[02:07] <bimberi> jon_: i'm stumped (hence unresponsive) sorry :|
[02:07] <theine> eliezer, or in this case at least 2 of course
[02:08] <psusi> http://pastebin.com/424998
[02:08] <eliezer> ok, I guess windows it's on C: and linux on D:
[02:08] <theine> _Dez, why do you want to change ~/.xinitrc ?
[02:08] <jon_> bimberi : I don't get the errors anymore, but whenever I try to add a panel it freezes...
[02:08] <Phuzion> dooglus, I'm still getting my 500 request denied message.
[02:08] <Seveas> xx94, first check whether you actually use a proxy
[02:08] <Phuzion> I'm trying to make a user have full read/write access through FTP.
[02:08] <Seveas> .me off to bed now
[02:08] <Phuzion> And apparently it's not working.
[02:08] <Phuzion> Later Seveas
[02:09] <jon_> Seeya
[02:09] <theine> eliezer, it's better you boot linux and ask for help then
[02:09] <eliezer> ok theine. im sorry.
[02:09] <eliezer> thank you so much anyway.
[02:09] <theine> eliezer, no worries, it'll just be easier
[02:09] <shadeofgrey> okay guys
[02:09] <eliezer> (: fine, see ya.
[02:10] <shadeofgrey> im going toi sign off and do abase server install of ubuntu to see what it looks like
[02:10] <shadeofgrey> be back in 45 mins or so
[02:10] <nebular> so I'm compiling a kernel for the first time in a long time and I"m noticing that it says root device is (3,2). Does that mean the device I"m booting off of is hard coded?
[02:10] <LathropWells> eliezer - Have you tried the winmac_fstab script to find and mount all drives follow ubotu !ntfs - for windows xp to see linux formatted partitions google explore ext2fs it is a driver for windows
[02:11] <cyphase> *sigh* http://www.livejournal.com/users/bleeter/12357.html
[02:11] <LathropWells> he left -shrug
[02:11] <theine> he'll be back...
[02:11] <cafuego_> bleater?
[02:11] <_Dez> how do i Get to shell from WM
[02:11] <xx94> *seveas*  no proxy
[02:11] <theine> _Dez, which WM?
[02:11] <_Dez> mvm
[02:11] <_Dez> nvm*
[02:12] <theine> _Dez, mwm?
[02:12] <jon_> bimberi: I'm getting this error: The window "Add to panel" is not responding. Forcing  this application to quit  will cause you to lose any unsaved changes.
[02:12] <psusi> AHA!
[02:12] <Phuzion> If a file is created by root, can it be deleted by a user that has full acceses to the directory?
[02:12] <psusi> it's the damn -m32 flatg
[02:12] <psusi> flag
[02:12] <cusco> 1:11 DCC can't create file /media/storage/irc/lol.mp3: Permission denied
[02:12] <psusi> removed that from CFLAGS in configure and it makes it past that
[02:12] <cusco> please
[02:12] <psusi> it looks like gcc on amd64 does not like -m32
[02:13] <theine> _Dez, left, middle. or right click on the desktop and select xterm. can't remember which
[02:13] <bimberi> jon_: yes, i'm at loss to help with it sorry :/
[02:13] <cusco> /media/storage is a fat32 partition
[02:13] <jon_> Ohhh, anybody else?
[02:13] <cusco> which is mounted on fstab as /dev/hda5       /media/storage  vfat    iocharset=utf8,umask=0222   0       0
[02:13] <bimberi> jon_: actually. a thought.  did you say you deleted and created the account?
[02:13] <jon_> Yes
[02:13] <bimberi> jon_: with the same name?
[02:14] <theine> psusi, what are you actually compiling?
[02:14] <jon_> Yeah
[02:14] <chcken> seveas:do you use breezy
[02:14] <psusi> theine, grub
[02:14] <jon_> Recovery mode again?
[02:14] <bimberi> jon_: ok, try this...
[02:14] <bimberi> jon_: no
[02:14] <jon_> k
[02:14] <theine> psusi, maybe you should file a bug report
[02:14] <cusco> what do I have to change so I can write to /media/storage/irc/ ?
[02:14] <psusi> theine, going to try and debug it to figure out why the hell it is opening /dev/mapper/via_hfciifae5 and looking for an MBR there when I give it a setup (hd0) command
[02:15] <chcken> seveas
[02:15] <bimberi> jon_: open a terminal, "cd ..", "sudo chown -R user:user user"
[02:15] <psusi> after I gave it a device (hd0) /dev/mapper/via_hfciifae command
[02:15] <cusco> I chmoded the dir 777 with sudo
[02:15] <Phuzion> Are files made by root untouchable by other users, regardless of whether or not they have full access to the directory?
[02:15] <psusi> but report probably will be ignored
[02:15] <psusi> I'd rather get it working
[02:15] <bimberi> jon_: where user is your username
[02:15] <_Dez> how do i add Fluxbox to auto start on boot?
[02:15] <theine> psusi, wrong attitude ;)
[02:15] <chcken> can anyone tell me how to install java on breezy
[02:15] <jon_> So how do I type it?
[02:15] <psusi> oh, I'll file a report after I fix it
[02:15] <psusi> and include the patch
[02:15] <psusi> like I did with lilo
[02:16] <cusco> Phuzion: how do I mount the partition so taht I can allow users to create files on it then?
[02:16] <bimberi> jon_: for example   -   sudo chown bimberi:bimberi bimberi
[02:16] <cusco> /dev/hda5       /media/storage  vfat    iocharset=utf8,umask=0222   0       0
[02:16] <chcken> can anyone tell me how to install java on breezy
[02:16] <theine> psusi, but anyway, I thought grub isn't even aware of device-mapper stuff...
[02:16] <jon_> so user:user pass
[02:16] <psusi> theine, it isn't... it doesn't know or care... as long as it knows which block device corresponds to which bios disk and partition
[02:16] <Phuzion> cusco, no idea
[02:16] <chcken> can anyone tell me how to install java on breezy
[02:16] <bimberi> jon_: no, not the password, the username again
[02:16] <psusi> which I tried to explain to it with the device commands, but it doesn't seem to listen correctly
[02:17] <LathropWells> !java
[02:17] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadeb
[02:17] <theine> psusi, that's what i thought, so why the hell is it looking for something in /dev/mapper?
[02:17] <anathema_> !faq
[02:17] <ubotu> I heard faq is The Ubuntu FAQ Guide is: select System -> Help (in Breezy), or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation or http://help.ubuntu.com
[02:17] <chcken> can sum1 tell obotu to tell me about java
[02:17] <psusi> theine, because I had to tell it that /dev/mapper/via_hfciifae is the block device for hd0
[02:17] <derekh> !link
[02:17] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, derekh
[02:17] <psusi> so that it can open the disk and write the MBR
[02:17] <derekh> !list
[02:17] <ubotu> I guess list is you can see a list of things I know at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[02:17] <theine> psusi, why did you have to do that??
[02:18] <jon_> Alright I typed: sudo chown jon:jon jon and it won't work
[02:18] <psusi> otherwise it would be trying to open /dev/hda
[02:18] <chcken> ! ubotu tell chcken about java
[02:18] <ubotu> chcken: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[02:18] <bimberi> jon_: any error from the command?
[02:18] <theine> psusi, which is not what you want?
[02:18] <anathema_> hey i used to be able to apt-get install azureus
[02:18] <anathema_> but its not there now
[02:18] <jon_> cannot access 'jon': no such file or dictionary
[02:18] <anathema_> any ideas why/
[02:18] <psusi> no...  well, actually I do have a /dev/sda and /dev/sdb... but those are the two individual disks
[02:18] <anathema_> the faq says i can do it, along wiht ubuntu wiki
[02:18] <psusi> which are in a raid-0
[02:18] <bimberi> jon_: type "cd /home" and then try the command again
[02:19] <theine> psusi, so where exactly do you want the mbr to be written then?
[02:19] <Unition> anyone in here hear of anyone buying a compaq r4000
[02:19] <chcken> can someone please tell ubotu to tell me about java
[02:19] <psusi> theine, /dev/mapper/via_hfciifae
[02:19] <Hobbsee> !tell chcken about javadeb
[02:19] <Hobbsee> !tell chcken about java
[02:19] <chcken> ty hobs
[02:19] <anathema_> !azureus
[02:19] <ubotu> methinks azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AzureusHowTo
[02:19] <jon_> bimberi_: It worked
[02:19] <theine> psusi, i'm quite sure that's not what you want...
[02:19] <psusi> which will get routed by the mapper to the first sector of /dev/sda
[02:19] <bimberi> jon_: great,  now see if you're still having these issues
[02:19] <psusi> theine, I'm quite sure that I do, I got lilo working that way ;)
[02:20] <jon_> So just exit the terminal?
[02:20] <theine> psusi, what's wrong with writing the mbr to the boot sector of /dev/sda?
[02:20] <bimberi> jon_: yeah, probably won't need it anymore
[02:20] <ph4nt0m> hi people
[02:20] <bimberi> jon_: what we did was make sure that everything in your home directory is owned by you
[02:20] <psusi> theine, well, for the MBR I guess it doesn't matter... but grub also needs to be able to open the /boot partition to map where the state 2 loader is
[02:20] <jon_> Crap, the add to panel error is still comin
[02:20] <psusi> and that is /dev/mapper/via_hfciifae5
[02:21] <bimberi> jon_: :/ - i did have hopes for that
[02:21] <bimberi> jon_: i'm back to being stumped again sorry
[02:21] <constantine-xvi> attempting to install ndis drivers, getting "operation not permitted"
[02:21] <theine> psusi, right, but you need to write the mbr to /dev/sda, no matter where the boot partition is
[02:21] <jon_> bimberi: Now it's saying that GNOME-Panel is exiting unsuspectively..
[02:22] <psusi> theine, which is where it will go... sector 0 of /dev/mapper/via_hfciifae is mapped to sector 0 of /dev/sda
[02:22] <Ceddy23> hey guys
[02:22] <constantine-xvi> need help installing ndiswrapper drivers
[02:22] <lightstar> heya..anyone knows how to play mkv files in ubuntu?
[02:22] <theine> psusi, have you actually tried writing it to /dev/sda?
[02:22] <psusi> but for grub to read the /boot partition, it can't just look on /dev/sda or /dev/sdb... it's striped between the two... it has to open /dev/mapper/via_hfciifae5
[02:22] <Ceddy23> i got a problem with my winmodem drivers, can someone gimme a hand ?
[02:22] <jon_> bimberi: let me try relogging in..
[02:22] <Hobbsee> !tell constantine-xvi about ndiswrapper
[02:22] <theine> psusi, which it cannot do since it doesn't support device-mapper...
[02:23] <ubuntu> hello guys
[02:23] <psusi> theine, can't get it to just write the MBR... it has to place the address of the first sector of the stage 2 loader in it, so it has to map out where that is located at first
[02:23] <Ceddy23> i foundd the drivers, it's on my desktop as a .tar file but as of there, i dont know what to do
[02:23] <psusi> it doesn't have to support device mapper... it just opens the block device
[02:23] <psusi> the problem is telling it which is the proper block device it should be opening
[02:23] <jon_> bimberi: nope...
[02:23] <psusi> the device command is what you are supposed to use to do that if it fails to guess it correctly
[02:24] <theine> psusi, have you tried saying root /dev/mapper/yadayade inside grub?
[02:24] <psusi> only it doesn't quite understand the commands right
[02:24] <constantine-xvi> ndiswrapper functioning properly, but gives "operation  not permitted" when i do "modprobe ndiswrapper"
[02:24] <durt> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[02:24] <nebular> what does "root device is 93,2) mean when compiling a custom kernel
[02:24] <psusi> theine, yes, when I do that it says the partition table is corrupt... I turned on debug messages and before the error it says it is opening /dev/mapper/via_hfciifae5, which is the /boot partition, not the disk itself... so it is looking for the MBR in the boot sector of the /boot partition instead
[02:24] <Ceddy23> what's a .tar file ??
[02:24] <constantine-xvi> done that
[02:25] <jon_> bimberi: My dads account works fine....WHat if I make another account, can I still use the root password to install programs?
[02:25] <Hobbsee> Ceddy23: an archive, you can untar it
[02:25] <psusi> theine, this is because I gave it a device (hd,4) /dev/mapper/via_hfciifae5 command to tell it to use that block device for the 4th partition on hd0
[02:25] <Ceddy23> how ??
[02:26] <theine> psusi, if I were you, I would seriously consider having a seperate /boot partition not under lvm2
[02:26] <psusi> but I also gave it a device (hd0) /dev/mapper/via_hfciifae command to tell it to use that device for access to the raw disk ( for the MBR ) but it isn't listening
[02:26] <constantine-xvi> transcript: "@lappy:~$ sudo modprobe ndiswrapper, FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted"
[02:26] <psusi> theine, this isn't LVM...
[02:26] <psusi> it's hardware fakeraid
[02:26] <theine> psusi, or raid for that matter
[02:26] <psusi> no can do
[02:26] <theine> psusi, same thing I guess
[02:26] <nickrud> Ceddy23, right click the file, and open with the archive manager
[02:26] <psusi> the bios raids the entire drive
[02:27] <theine> psusi,  what about "sudo grub-install --root-directory=/dev/mapper/via_hfciifae5 /dev/sda
[02:27] <theine> "
[02:27] <Ceddy23> if they're modem drivers, should i do something special with them ??
[02:27] <nickrud> heh
[02:27] <psusi> hrm.... let me see...
[02:28] <nickrud> Ceddy23, probably, there should be a README file inside
[02:28] <intelikey> command to fix broken packages ?
[02:28] <yaoming> everybody tell me  by firefox in linux why i cant open some page which i can open in XP by IE?
[02:28] <nickrud> yaoming, what page?
[02:29] <psusi> mkdir: cannot create directory `/dev/mapper/via_hfciifae5/boot': Not a directory
[02:29] <nickrud> intelikey, sudo apt-get install -f usually works
[02:29] <Red-Sox> uhoh!
[02:29] <yaoming> some page like yahoo
[02:29] <constantine-xvi> cant sudo modprobe ndiswrapper, "FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted"
[02:29] <psusi> theine, --root-directory is supposed to be a directory... i.e. /boot
[02:29] <psusi> I think
[02:29] <Red-Sox> I get this http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4333 when I open synaptic and all the packages are selected!
[02:30] <constantine-xvi> what causes this?
[02:30] <nickrud> yaoming, I've got a yahoo account, firefox reads it fine
[02:30] <Ceddy23> i tried opening it with archive manager but there's no content in it :s
[02:30] <theine> psusi, then make an appropriate link called "boot" to /dev/mapper/via_hfciifae5 and specify the parent to the --root-directory option
[02:30] <intelikey> well sudo is not installed.   and a deb has a dep that i don't seem to have installed but i have no info on it....   is there not just a command that will check all installed packages for deps ?
[02:30] <psusi> theine, no no... /dev/mapper/via_hfciifae5 is a block device... /boot is a directory
[02:31] <durt> constantine-xvi: do you have linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` and your kernel headers?
[02:31] <Red-Sox> yoaming: sorry, I just logged in...do you mean f.f. displays it funny?
[02:31] <yaoming> nickrud, i think there are some mistake in my network.
[02:31] <Red-Sox> anyone?
[02:31] <theine> psusi, of course, so is /dev/mapper/via_hfciifae5 mounted anywhere?
[02:31] <psusi> grub-install's --root-directory option wants a directory, not a block device ( or link to one )
[02:31] <constantine-xvi> to durt: as in packages?
[02:31] <psusi> theine, yes, in /boot
[02:31] <durt> yes
[02:31] <nickrud> Red-Sox, I'd say try updating the package list first
[02:31] <Red-Sox> nickrud: sudo apt-get update?
[02:32] <theine> psusi, ok, the "sudo grub-install --root-directory=/ /dev/sda"
[02:32] <nickrud> intelikey, is this deb from outside the ubuntu repositories?
[02:32] <nickrud> Red-Sox, yes
[02:32] <intelikey> no
[02:32] <theine> psusi, what does that give you?
[02:32] <Red-Sox> okay
[02:32] <psusi> /dev/mapper/via_hfciifae5 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[02:32] <nickrud> intelikey, do you get errors when trying to dpkg -i it
[02:32] <intelikey> yes
[02:32] <theine> psusi, which is true...
[02:32] <constantine-xvi> yes
[02:33] <nickrud> intelikey, well, we'll need to see them :) pastebin?
[02:33] <psusi> theine, well, it is true that grub does not know about it...
[02:33] <psusi> but it DOES have a corresponding bios drive
[02:33] <yaoming> my ISP provide a URL to me for a free tv online.i can use it in XP,but i cant
[02:33] <LathropWells> yaoming - i have no trouble with yahoo or even game sites  like boxerjam but, i have installed sun java (ubotu !javadeb will give info) and mozcontrol for flash. check ubuntuguide.org or ubotu !restricted formats
[02:33] <psusi> it's just bios disk 0x80
[02:33] <yaoming> open it in linux
[02:33] <Red-Sox> nickrud: also, when I log into gnome, it doesnt load the panels all the way, can you help me with this?
[02:33] <Red-Sox> NickServ
[02:33] <Red-Sox> okay...thats not it
[02:33] <psusi> to the bios on my system there is no disk 0x81, there is only one big disk 0x80
[02:33] <intelikey> nick "dependancy problem prevents configuration of...."
[02:33] <constantine-xvi> durt: yes, i do have those installed, i think i needed those to compile ndiswrapper
[02:34] <theine> psusi, well, I guess in this case it's important what grub thinks
[02:34] <noah> anybody know what the change is that took the hostname out of new ~/.ssh/known_hosts entries?
[02:34] <psusi> theine, aye... but grub has a device command where you are supposed to be able to tell it what to think if it guesses wrong
[02:34] <intelikey> nickrub "dependancy problem prevents configuration of...."  so it installed just didn't configure
[02:34] <psusi> only it doesn't quite work right
[02:34] <nickrud> Red-Sox, maybe, but I'm pretty brutal with bad acting panels, I tend to remove them and rebuild them
[02:34] <nickrud> intelikey, it'll tell you what dependencies it didn't find
[02:35] <intelikey> nickrud no it didn't
[02:35] <durt> constantine, make sure you have those restricted modules, otherwise i dont know
[02:35] <Red-Sox> nickrud: then with sudo apt-get update, I get this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4334
[02:35] <duke3z> hiya
[02:35] <Red-Sox> hi
[02:35] <the_night> ok here is my problem, I decided to install the fglrx binary in order that I could have 3d, now my computer will not display the resolution that I would like it to since this is a widescreen laptop, I used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and set the resolutions to what I wanted, but I cannot use the one that I chose
[02:35] <constantine-xvi> durt: i do for sure
[02:35] <nickrud> ah, weird. could I see the whole output? no promises, but I've screwed my system enough times to have seen a lot of errors
[02:35] <theine> psusi, is that --device-map?
[02:35] <psusi> theine, yes, you can do it that way too
[02:35] <the_night> that and whenever it tries to autodetect the monitor it blacks out
[02:36] <sudothis> please help... emergency ........ right now i restarted ubuntu, right at the very beginning of boot, I get "Grub Loading state 1.5." ... then next line it says "Grub loading, please wait...", then it says "error 15" ..... anyone knows how to fix this???? i have so much stuff on that computer which i can't afford to lose.... please help
[02:36] <nickrud> Red-Sox, do you have synaptic open?
[02:36] <intelikey> it may be a pakage that is install just not configured yet....   you think ?
[02:36] <yaoming> yesterday i stop my IPV6 ,but i still cant open some page
[02:36] <theine> psusi, and you tried "device /dev/mapper/via_hfciifae5 /dev/sda" or what?
[02:36] <the_night> anyone have any ideas?
[02:36] <intelikey> what is that dpkg command to reconfigure all ?
[02:37] <yaoming> ps:i am in china
[02:37] <nickrud> intelikey, as root, did you do apt-get install -f?
[02:37] <theine> psusi, what was /dev/mapper/via_hfciifae5 mapped onto again?
[02:37] <psusi> theine, yes... I gave it two device commands... one for the disk, and one for the partition, like this:
[02:37] <psusi> device (hd0) /dev/mapper/via_hfciifae
[02:37] <intelikey> not apt   dpkg ?
[02:37] <duke3z> man i can't understand root on ubuntu yet
[02:37] <psusi> device (hd0,4) /dev/mapper/via_hfciifae5
[02:37] <durt> constantine-xvi: are you sure that ndiswrapper.ko exists in that directory?
[02:37] <duke3z> is the a good page for that someplace?
[02:37] <intelikey> i'll have to install apt first.
[02:38] <the_night> so no one has any ideas?
[02:38] <constantine-xvi> hold please
[02:38] <theine> psusi, did it complain?
[02:38] <psusi> only when I issue the root (hd0,4) command, it tries to read the MBR from /dev/mapper/via_hfciifae5
[02:38] <nickrud> intelikey, 0^0 did I read that right?
[02:38] <psusi> it only complains once I issue the root command
[02:38] <constantine-xvi> durt: most definitley
[02:38] <theine> psusi, i don't understand why the root command even tries to read the mbr, i thought it only looks for configuration and stage files
[02:39] <the_night> did anyone read my problem at least?
[02:39] <nickrud> Red-Sox, the error I see is either something else is using dpkg, or you have a stale lock. look around for an open apt-get, aptitude or synaptic session, close them, and try updating again
[02:39] <psusi> theine, it looks like it also tries to verify the MBR... if I use rootnoverify, it is ok, but then the setup command fails
[02:39] <theine> psusi, ah, ok
[02:39] <intelikey> what nickrud that sudo and apt are not yet installed..... yes you read it correctly.
[02:40] <nickrud> intelikey, you manually installing all the debs or something?
[02:40] <the_night> hrm I guess no one did...
[02:40] <the_night> lol
[02:40] <nba_> anybody knows how to connect to internet in red hat. thanks
[02:40] <intelikey> manual installing some debs yes
[02:40] <the_night> oh well thanks anyways
[02:40] <nickrud> the_night, I did, but I don't have nvidia
[02:40] <psusi> wait a tick... hrm...
[02:41] <intelikey> disk space is pretty tight here and i can't afford the bloat of a default server install.
[02:41] <the_night> I dont understand, I am using ati not nvidia
[02:41] <the_night> fglrx is ati
[02:41] <psusi> see when I edit devices.map it barfs on the (hd0,4) part... like it doesn't like to be told about partitions, only raw disks
[02:41] <the_night> the binary for ati
[02:41] <psusi> so I tried leaving out the device (hd0,4) command and now it says this:
[02:41] <psusi> Error 18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS
[02:41] <bimberi> the_night: perhaps try editing xorg.conf and adding the resolutions manually
[02:42] <the_night> thats what is strange, it is already there... it just wont let me change it in the settings
[02:42] <the_night> is there a way to change to res in the terminal
[02:42] <Red-Sox> nickrud: thanks for actually responding and helping me
[02:42] <bimberi> the_night: ah, well at least i read your question :P
[02:42] <the_night> lol thanks
[02:42] <constantine-xvi> durt: ndiswrapper.ko is -rw-r--r--, does that matter?
[02:42] <yaoming> i cant check ubuntu.org in ubuntu,but i can check it in XP!why??
[02:42] <nickrud> intelikey, I'd suggest using debian then, you can stop the install with apt, if I remember correctly
[02:42] <theine> psusi, i'm beginning to doubt whether i'm able to help you with this in any way...
[02:42] <intelikey> nickrud nm i got it.
[02:43] <nickrud> Red-Sox, did you get it?
[02:43] <yaoming> O_O
[02:43] <nickrud> *at apt, or dselect, anyway, with a tiny install
[02:43] <intelikey> nickrud yeah but i don't have a debian cd i do have ub 5.4 cd   so ub it is.
[02:43] <sudothis> how can i freaking run ubuntu in diagnostic mode.... i'm getting this Grub error #15 that doesn't let me go anywhere... is there an option to boot from CD and repair? or run linux in diagnostic mode?
[02:43] <nickrud> intelikey, do you have a good net?
[02:43] <intelikey> 56k
[02:43] <nickrud> nm
[02:43] <Red-Sox> nickrud: yes thank you soooooooooooooooooo much
[02:44] <ali_> hi can anyone guide me in which language configuration files are written ?
[02:44] <Red-Sox> now let me try gnome panels
[02:44] <psusi> sudothis, yea, stick the cd in the drive and boot from it
[02:44] <ali_> such as /etc/network/interfaces
[02:44] <ookami> is there a way to retrieve info from the Cache in Mozilla such as JPG's SWF's ?
[02:44] <constantine-xvi> sudothis: do you have an ubuntu-live/knoppix/slax/etc...?
[02:44] <intelikey> nickrud like i said never mind i got it.....   thanks akneeway
[02:44] <ali_> how to understand these files what they are doing ?
[02:44] <LathropWells> sudothis - just curious was /var/logs  helpful?
[02:44] <sudothis> psusi, that will run the installation ....
[02:45] <theine> ali_, man interfaces
[02:45] <sudothis> i want to do it as like Gentoo linux
[02:45] <constantine-xvi> durt: ndiswrapper.ko is -rw-r--r--, does that matter?
[02:45] <theine> ali_, ... would be a start
[02:45] <psusi> sudothis, there's an option when the cd boots for rescue mode, or you can try the livecd instead
[02:45] <ali_> theine, which language they use to write these files ?
[02:45] <theine> ali_, english
[02:45] <ali_> theine, bash ?
[02:45] <ali_> theine,  i mean programming language
[02:46] <MarcN> ookami: Try looking under ~/.mozilla/ to find the cache files.
[02:46] <psusi> theine, is there a way to tell grub to use LBA mode?
[02:46] <psusi> it seems to not like the fact that /boot is above the 8 GB mark
[02:46] <psusi> but that's only a problem for CHS mode
[02:47] <theine> psusi, there is a --force-lba option to grub-install
[02:47] <duke3z> has anyone isntalled cedega?
[02:47] <bimberi> ali_: they're not really in a programming language, they're just formatted in a way that a program can understand when it reads it
[02:47] <theine> ali_, they used an editor to write these files
[02:47] <intelikey> hhhmm ok got to dl a few things.    be back when that finishes in about an hour.
[02:47] <ali_> bimberi, but if i want to write my own ?
[02:47] <MarcN> ookami: try looking using this:   find ~/.mozilla -name 'Cache'
[02:47] <MarcN> cd to the appropriate directory and then try:    file *  to try to figure out what the files are.
[02:47] <ali_> bimberi, customized file what should i do ?
[02:47] <theine> ali_, your own configuration file?
[02:47] <bimberi> ali_: "man interfaces" (for example) can tell you what format that file needs to be in
[02:47] <ookami> MarcN, i did, but i dont reconize what i see.   Beats me.
[02:50] <ookami> Thanks Bimberi and MarcN.
[02:50] <theine> psusi, "help setup" inside the grub shell contains some useful information I guess
[02:50] <constantine-xvi> once again, can anyone tell me why modprobe is giving me a "operation not permitted" when i try to install ndiswrapper?
[02:50] <theine> constantine-xvi, try "sudo modprobe ..."
[02:50] <constantine-xvi> i have
[02:51] <bimberi> sudothis: rescue mode? there is "recovery mode" but that's part of the installed boot process (ie. no cd needed)
[02:51] <chcken> how do i make the java file executable
[02:51] <constantine-xvi> i also have the restricted-modules, etc.
[02:51] <theine> constantine-xvi, really? then maybe "dmesg | tail" tells you something more detailed
[02:52] <chcken> how do i make the java file executable
[02:52] <MarcN> ookami: you probably have a 'don't show hidden files' set in nautilus.
[02:52] <chcken> how do i make the java file executable
[02:52] <bimberi> !repeat
[02:52] <ubotu> repeat is, like, totally, Don't repeat your question every few minutes- if someone knows they will answer.
[02:52] <chcken> srry
[02:52] <constantine-xvi> [4296693.981000]      ACPI-0508: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST]  (Node dbed7c60), AE_NOT_FOUND
[02:52] <constantine-xvi> [4296723.986000]      ACPI-0362: *** Error: Looking up [Z007]  in namespace, AE_NOT_FOUND
[02:52] <constantine-xvi> [4296723.986000]  search_node dbed7d60 start_node dbed7d60 return_node 00000000
[02:52] <constantine-xvi> [4296723.986000]      ACPI-0508: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST]  (Node dbed7c60), AE_NOT_FOUND
[02:52] <constantine-xvi> [4296753.990000]      ACPI-0362: *** Error: Looking up [Z007]  in namespace, AE_NOT_FOUND
[02:52] <constantine-xvi> [4296753.990000]  search_node dbed7d60 start_node dbed7d60 return_node 00000000
[02:52] <constantine-xvi> [4296753.990000]      ACPI-0508: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST]  (Node dbed7c60), AE_NOT_FOUND
[02:52] <constantine-xvi> [4296783.995000]      ACPI-0362: *** Error: Looking up [Z007]  in namespace, AE_NOT_FOUND
[02:52] <constantine-xvi> [4296783.995000]  search_node dbed7d60 start_node dbed7d60 return_node 00000000
[02:52] <constantine-xvi> [4296783.996000]      ACPI-0508: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST]  (Node dbed7c60), AE_NOT_FOUND
[02:52] <theine> DOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:52] <Welly> easy, constantine-xvi!
[02:52] <gord_> try right clicking the java file chcken and set its permitions there
[02:52] <Ep|phany> hey can someone tell me how to install games with cebenga
[02:52] <nickrud> dumvid, de de dum, de dum.
[02:52] <bimberi> !paste
[02:52] <ubotu> it has been said that paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[02:52] <Ep|phany> i mean cedega
[02:52] <chcken> gord_ok ty ill try
[02:53] <constantine-xvi> i apoligize
[02:53] <theine> constantine-xvi, that was "dmesg | tail"?? quite a few lines from that tail command...
[02:53] <duke3z> i was asking about cedega
[02:53] <constantine-xvi> correct
[02:53] <duke3z> can't get it to install
[02:53] <gord_> put the game cd in the drive epiphany and type cedega <install file.exe>, so like 'cedega /media/cdrom/setup.exe"
[02:53] <Welly> hey all, trying to install fastcgi and am getting this - http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4335
[02:53] <nickrud> yup 10 lines :)
[02:54] <melodramatic> hi im running into a problem with ubuntu... i got an usb mp3 player.. first run went find accessing it... then i removed it to test the mp3 i put on it wanted to make change so i put it back in the usb plug.. then when i try to access it i get the following error (giving UDI is not a mountable device)
[02:54] <ookami> got it ! thanks everyone
[02:54] <constantine-xvi> am i totally screwed over?
[02:54] <theine> hmm, i was sure tail -n defaults to 5...
[02:55] <theine> but obviously i'm wrong
[02:55] <psusi> AHA!
[02:55] <psusi> had to tell grub the right geometry with the geometry command
[02:55] <psusi> now it sees partitions!
[02:55] <kbrosnan> I am looking for a set of directions to boot ubuntu from a floppy
[02:55] <theine> constantine-xvi, I never seen the error message you're getting when having root priviliges
[02:56] <chcken> gord_: ok i did that how should i go about installing it now
[02:56] <gord_> are you trying to install java itself?
[02:56] <constantine-xvi> theine: i'll re-run it to be sure, this time in #flood
[02:56] <chcken> ya i need to install java
[02:57] <melodramatic> do i need to completly reinstall ubuntu?
[02:57] <psusi> theine, ok... setup says it worked
[02:57] <theine> constantine-xvi, ok, shoot
[02:57] <gord_> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76702 will guide you through installing java
[02:57] <constantine-xvi> theine: in #flood
[02:57] <theine> psusi, nice
[02:57] <psusi> theine, so now the stage 1 and 2 loaders should be set up right?  don't I need to edit my menu config now or something?
[02:57] <chcken> ty i will try that
[02:58] <theine> constantine-xvi, show me the modprobe message including the command
[02:58] <bimberi> Welly: you need to enable the multiverse repository
[02:58] <Welly> bimberi: yep.. just done that now.. thanks!
[02:58] <bimberi> Wellark: k :)
[02:58] <theine> psusi, better take a look at menu.lst and check whether everything seems fine...
[02:58] <constantine-xvi> theine: have posted in #flood
[02:59] <psusi> hrm... menu.lst should be in /boot/grub right?
[02:59] <Nihil85> hallo
[02:59] <theine> psusi, yes
[02:59] <walter> guys, having problem booting X. says screens not found
[02:59] <walter> =0
[02:59] <psusi> it's not there ;)
[02:59] <theine> constantine-xvi, how did you install ndiswrapper?
[02:59] <Melissa83> walter: You're going to have issues with it. Also make sure you're using a 64 build of ubuntu.
[02:59] <walter> i am
[03:00] <Melissa83> it's an issue w/ ATI chipsets
[03:00] <theine> psusi, try update-grub
[03:00] <Melissa83> walter: What worked for me was using the VESA drivers
[03:00] <constantine-xvi> compile, as shown on the ubuntu wiki
[03:00] <walter> vesa freezes me
[03:00] <theine> psusi, it generates one for you
[03:00] <Melissa83> walter: Plus my laptop is EXTREMELY sensitive as to screen resolution. Also, I'm told that the CVS of Xorg supports the ati chipsets, so i'm working on getting those.
[03:00] <walter> vga doesnt work either
[03:00] <constantine-xvi> theine: compile, as shown on the ubuntu wiki
[03:00] <psusi> kick ass
[03:00] <Inv_arp> just added xfce4, how do i make it default desktop?
[03:00] <walter> ive also tried lowest possible reso etc
[03:00] <walter> nothing works
[03:00] <walter> i am afraid i might just use another distro heh
[03:00] <theine> constantine-xvi, isn't ndiswrapper included in the restircted-modules package?
[03:00] <walter> others work fine
[03:00] <Melissa83> walter: lowest possible res does not necessarly mean it's a good choice
[03:00] <walter> well
[03:00] <Melissa83> walter: i HAVE to use 1280x768 NOTHING else works
[03:01] <psusi> ok... now ot add the magic kernel command line parameters
[03:01] <walter> ive used just about every reso my monitor can handle
[03:01] <Melissa83> walter: Also, try getting the latest CVS from xorg
[03:01] <theine> constantine-xvi, it fails because something went wrong during the compilation
[03:01] <Melissa83> Supposedly it works ootb
[03:01] <xbox_sky> Hi guys! sorry I just started to use ubuntu (like today) Im trying to get those w32 codecs, I've tried to do it trough synaptic (nothing on search except mime32) and nothing on the terminal either, im I doing something wrong ( remember im NEW)
[03:01] <Melissa83> walter: There are NO other distros that will work. SuSe doesn't work, Fedora doesn't work, NONE of them do
[03:02] <seth_k|lappy> xbox_sky, you'll need to add repositories from the PLF
[03:02] <seth_k|lappy> xbox_sky, you know how to add repos?
[03:02] <walter> actually, i installed mepis and it worked fine. so did gentoo
[03:02] <xbox_sky> seth, i've already done that
[03:02] <walter> =0
[03:02] <xbox_sky> seth, yup
[03:02] <yahya> xbox_sky: it's not there in the official repos
[03:02] <Melissa83> walter: It's because of the ATI chipset. You could try grabbing the ATI proprietary driver from ati's website
[03:02] <seth_k|lappy> oh, good. That's all you need then
[03:02] <seth_k|lappy> then just sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[03:02] <seth_k|lappy> @ xbox_sky
[03:02] <Melissa83> walter: really? interesting. I was told X won't work with the ati junk (course that may just be my specific chipset)
[03:02] <theine> constantine-xvi, nevermind, i see there are appearently good reasons for compiling ndiswrapper under ubuntu...
[03:02] <xbox_sky> hold on m8
[03:02] <walter> the thing that gets me
[03:03] <walter> is on other distros, the same drivers i pick in ubuntu
[03:03] <walter> will work
[03:03] <psusi> hrm.. ok, menu.lst looks alright... wish me luck
[03:03] <walter> odd
[03:03] <gord_> iv got a rather old ati card n x has allways worked fine for me. they put the rage chips (what i use) in everythin too
[03:03] <_Dez> eveyone ever install fluxbox?
[03:03] <Phuzion> What is the command to rename a directory?
[03:03] <mustard5> ubotu: tell xbox_sky about w32codecs
[03:03] <_Dez> !fluxbox
[03:03] <ubotu> hmm... fluxbox is forked off blackbox and is found at http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net, or the new blackbox, with antialias, better menu, etc.
[03:03] <Melissa83> gord_: I'm using the XPress 200M chipset. One of ATI's newest, it doesn't work
[03:04] <bimberi> Phuzion: mv
[03:04] <gord_> Phuzion: mv <old directory name> <new directory name>
[03:04] <Phuzion> No preceding /?
[03:04] <gord_> oh yea, new ati chipsets are an arse -_-
[03:04] <seth_k|lappy> Phuzion, it's implied
[03:04] <gord_> not unless you want to move it somewhere else
[03:04] <Phuzion> Alright, sweet, thanks.
[03:04] <seth_k|lappy> oh preceding
[03:04] <walter> why is it that my card has no problem in any other distros? even debian based
[03:04] <walter> makes no sense
[03:05] <nickrud> walter, you might try filing a bug, and possibly the problem could be tracked down
[03:06] <walter> ok
[03:06] <walter> i might take that route
[03:06] <chcken> gord_it said to do fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_05-linux-i586.bin and then it said fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_05-linux-i586.bin
[03:06] <Inv_arp> how does one change the default window manager?
[03:06] <mustard5> walter, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com just for your future reference if you need it :)
[03:06] <nickrud> heh
[03:07] <xbox_sky> LathropWells,Mustard5 and seth_k|lappy Thanks a lot guys for your help :)
[03:07] <chcken> gord_: it said to do fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_05-linux-i586.bin and then it said fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_05-linux-i586.bin
[03:07] <mustard5> xbox_sky, np
[03:07] <LathropWells> Windows users "linux community" - ;)
[03:07] <gord_> how do you meen 'said'?
[03:08] <blank> hey guys
[03:08] <chcken> gord_: when i typed that in terminal it said fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_05-linux-i586.bin command not found
[03:08] <blank> I just got a new drive for ubuntu (40 gigs)
[03:08] <blank> and I have another 40 gigs
[03:08] <wim> irc://irc.101-freedom.org/
[03:08] <blank> I've already set them up right
[03:08] <gord_> you will need to add the extra repositorys chcken
[03:08] <blank> but I'd like to install ubuntu on the second
[03:08] <chcken> gord_: how do i do that
[03:09] <blank> will the installation be the same?
[03:09] <mustard5> ubotu: tell chicken about repos
[03:09] <gord_> open up synaptic and goto the repositorys menu, click edit or settings or something like that and press the 'show disbaled sources' or somethin bout that
[03:09] <bimberi> Inv_arp: sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
[03:09] <blank> mustard5: you forgot the ! in the front
[03:09] <gord_> then just press ok and check the boxes that have magically apeared
[03:09] <escanio> hi, how i can recover from a mbr crash in a dual installation?
[03:09] <blank> :)
[03:09] <escanio> LILO/GRUB?
[03:09] <mustard5> blank it worked :)
[03:09] <duke3z> dang it, i got to root in console and now cannot install cedega.  man thier instructions kinda stink.
[03:09] <gord_> you'll need to do "sudo apt-get install fakeroot java-package java-common" again
[03:09] <blank> o :D
[03:09] <mustard5> blank, it went to him as a PM
[03:10] <mustard5> blank, assuming he is registered
[03:10] <edoardo> hi gals, hi dudes : )
[03:10] <mustard5> welcome edoardo
[03:10] <bimberi> mustard5: nick typo tho (no i)
[03:10] <edoardo> you guys, i'm the author of an audio conversion script named audio-convert. you might have read about it in the ubuntu forums. anyway, it's becomin' really popular lately. would anyone help me make a .deb? it's two files only, so it's probably not that hard. anyone? thankyou! : )
[03:10] <Nihil85> hi guys, at this moment i have a lot of problems:i cannot run properly the "desktop bar" (the bar with the button view desktop, the list of programs running, etc), it refuses to start! I've also a lot of other problems, but mainly i wanted to solve this because now i cannot run two apps at the same time
[03:10] <mustard5> bimberi,
[03:10] <mustard5> bimberi, doh
[03:10] <mustard5> ubotu: tell chcken about repos
[03:11] <mustard5> ;)
[03:11] <chcken> gord_: is it the one in packages that says repositories
[03:11] <MarcN> anyone using amarok in dapper?  I tell it to 'Build Collection', but never seems to do it.
[03:11] <bimberi> mustard5: it's got me before too :)
[03:11] <Razor-X> edoardo: hmmm, what can the script do?
[03:11] <chcken> hey yall g2g watch suvivor yaya
[03:12] <Razor-X> edoardo: I do all my audio conversion by hand, so that script sounds interesting
[03:12] <nickrud> edoardo, the guys to ask about that are in #ubuntu-motu
[03:12] <mustard5> chcken, cya
[03:12] <edoardo> nickrud, thankyou dude! : )
[03:12] <nickrud> or Razor-X :)
[03:12] <Razor-X> :P
[03:12] <MarcN> chcken: survivor just ended here.  Wanna know who leaves? ;-)
[03:12] <Inv_arp> bimberi: thx
[03:12] <Razor-X> OMG, don't tell me... it's... Anakin Skywalker!
[03:12] <LathropWells> edoardo -i would look in debian.org or the linux documentation project. tldp.org
[03:12] <bimberi> Inv_arp: np :)
[03:12] <edoardo> Razor-X, here's the link: http://freshmeat.net/projects/audio-convert
[03:12] <gord_> edoardo: does your script do a lot of files at once? iv been meening to convert my mp3 collection to ogg for a long time but have been put off because the only auto things i can find don't copy over the ide info
[03:13] <Razor-X> ``I'm sorry to say Mr. Vader, but you've been kicked off the island''
[03:13] <Nihil85> hi guys, at this moment i have a lot of problems:i cannot run properly the "desktop bar" (the bar with the button view desktop, the list of programs running, etc), it refuses to start! I've also a lot of other problems, but mainly i wanted to solve this because now i cannot run two apps at the same time
[03:13] <Razor-X> girl in squeaky voice: ``I hated the way he choked me after I professed my love for him''
[03:13] <LathropWells> gord_ isn't there a dir2ogg script?
[03:13] <edoardo> gord_, it does that, very easily. it even copies the metatags on to the new files. follow the link and you'll find out! : )
[03:13] <Razor-X> sorry, couldn't resist, getting back on topic :)
[03:13] <jvai> lol
[03:13] <dreadnought> someone help me with downloading a java client
[03:14] <dreadnought> i no
[03:14] <psusi> woohoo, got it working!
[03:14] <Razor-X> uggghh, there's another problem
[03:14] <mhz> hi
[03:14] <gord_> iv no idea mr LathropWells, if i did id i wouldn't have a load of mp3s ;)
[03:14] <Razor-X> how would you get rxvt to copy to clipboard?
[03:14] <psusi> I actually didn't have the menu.lst quite right... it forgot about the initrd, and set the root device wrong
[03:14] <LathropWells> badcomputer.no-ip.com/linux/dir2ogg/dir2ogg.bot - <-- this is what i remember.
[03:14] <Razor-X> gord_: look at a few basic shell scripting tutorials and you've got yourself a script
[03:15] <psusi> but that's awesome that grub lets you edit the config during boot to fix that
[03:15] <mhz> Suddenly, my app. fonts look much bigger than they used to, on my laptop. Any ideas why?
[03:15] <jvai> java + ubuntu not probable
[03:15] <Razor-X> I have a script I use to convert all my FLACs to WAV in a similar fashion
[03:15] <Melissa83> how do i boot straight to console mode?
[03:15] <mustard5> Nihil85, have your gnome applets gone too?
[03:15] <dreadnought> bob2: u on?
[03:15] <mc|amb> could anyone correct this for me please::  sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xconf
[03:15] <LathropWells> dir2ogg.py
[03:15] <Razor-X> do I need xsel or xclip for rxvt to interface with the clipboard? :(
[03:15] <edoardo> well audio-convert is pretty cool. and it looks cool. and it does its job well and fast. *with* progress bars : )
[03:15] <meatwad65> dpkg-reconfigure
[03:15] <Razor-X> Melissa83: hmmm?
[03:15] <dreadnought> could some one give me the java link please
[03:15] <bimberi> ubotu tell dreadnought about java
[03:15] <gord_> i would Razor-x, but looking at shell scripting (what is it like modifyed perl?) after using python for so long is like poking myself in the eye with rusty forks
[03:16] <Nihil85> mustard5, gnome applets? i have "only" lost my desktop bar, but i don't know what are the gnome applets
[03:16] <Inv_arp> bimberi: i added xfce4 but i dont see it in the selection
[03:16] <dreadnought> thanks
[03:16] <Inv_arp> for update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
[03:16] <Razor-X> gord_: I've never used perl, and it doesen't take much to learn
[03:16] <cusco> cd irssi
[03:16] <Razor-X> if you use xSH often, that is
[03:16] <dreadnought> maybe it will work this time
[03:16] <meatwad65> i never used perl
[03:16] <LathropWells> edoardo - sounds good. -progrees bars are handy if you are converting dozens of files
[03:16] <meatwad65> last job learned most of it in 2 days
[03:16] <nickrud> Melissa83, delete S13gdm in /etc/rc2.d
[03:16] <Phuzion> How do I get a directory password protected by Apache?
[03:16] <gord_> don't take much time to learn howto poke yourself int he eye with rusty forks, don't meen you should do it though ;)
[03:17] <mustard5> Nihil85, well I'm not sure what it is you are describing, but I'm thinking you are talking about the bottom bar on your deskto that shows which apps are in the current workspace
[03:17] <nickrud> Melissa83, or better yet, rename it to K13gdm, so you can put it back when you want
[03:17] <meatwad65> i learn languages on necessity
[03:17] <Nihil85> mustard5, yes
[03:17] <Razor-X> gord_: I use pretty much the same syntax, it took me a bit of googling to learn the bits of shell scripting I need
[03:17] <mhz> mc|amb: dpkg-reconfigure
[03:17] <Razor-X> like when I wanted to craft a script to automaticall save screenshots to a specified filename
[03:17] <dreadnought> will someone walk me through it?
[03:17] <LathropWells> gord_ - are you familiar with zenity - add nicely drawn dialog boxes to any script.
[03:17] <Razor-X> *automatically
[03:17] <bimberi> Inv_arp: xfce may not be considered to be a "window manager" (although i get confused about those things).  See if it is in the Session menu of your login screen
[03:17] <_Dez> does ubuntu have gkrellm
[03:17] <dreadnought> i cant seem to find it in synaptic
[03:17] <Inv_arp> bimberi: k
[03:18] <mustard5> Nihil85, I believe its an applet called 'window list'
[03:18] <Nihil85> mustard5, but this is not the only problem... i'm going mad, i have an half dozen of problems
[03:18] <mc|amb> mhz, thanks
[03:18] <mhz> np
[03:18] <mustard5> Nihil85, do you have a bottom bar, but now apps show on the bottom bar?
[03:18] <gord_> its the actual code not the result that puts me off shell scripting, python is very powerfull too so i just use that when i need to
[03:18] <Nihil85> mustard5, so i have to run a terminal and load window list?
[03:19] <mustard5> Nihil85, no, you right click on the bottom bar in an empty spot somewhere and 'add applet'
[03:19] <meatwad65> anyone know how to get audio previews in nautilus to work?
[03:19] <mustard5> Nihil85, look for 'window list'
[03:19] <Nihil85> mustard5, yes. i have lost the "desktop button" (the button to show desktop) and even if i chrge an app, it doesn't show in the bar
[03:19] <dreadnought> uh how do you do it?
[03:20] <meatwad65> wine...i haven't used that in years
[03:20] <mustard5> Nihil85, I'm thinking that your gnome-applets are not working or the settings have gone wacky for some reason
[03:20] <Razor-X> meatwad65: I hear it's making leaps and bounds recently
[03:20] <mustard5> Nihil85, try what I suggested above anyway and tell me if it works
[03:20] <dreadnought> where is the Blackdown Java 1.4 installer
[03:20] <Nihil85> mustard5, i cannt find window list in the session manager
[03:20] <dabaR> how do I run something in a terminal, and then make it not close when I close the terminal?
[03:20] <Razor-X> hmmm, anyone here use xclip or xsel?
[03:20] <Nihil85> *system manager
[03:21] <mustard5> Nihil85, I didnt say sessin manager :)
[03:21] <nickrud> dabaR, disown
[03:21] <Razor-X> dabaR: foo &
[03:21] <wickedpuppy> dabaR, &
[03:21] <Razor-X> where foo is the name of a program
[03:21] <mustard5> Nihil85, no, you right click on the bottom bar in an empty spot somewhere and 'add applet'
[03:21] <dabaR> nope, that dies with the terminal. Answer: nohup appname&
[03:21] <gord_> meatwad65: it recently finally got its 'beta' status so i thought id give it another whirl
[03:21] <mustard5> Nihil85, 'add to panel' is the option soz
[03:21] <dreadnought> wowo comeon guys
[03:22] <nickrud> hm, I disown gedit all the time :)
[03:22] <dabaR> & is just run in background.
[03:22] <Razor-X> dabaR: yeah, exactly
[03:22] <ptlo> dabaR, nohup something &
[03:22] <Nihil85> mustard5, eheheh: what's its name in italian? there's no window list and no near meanings
[03:22] <Razor-X> i'ld help you better if you ran ZSH, but, I can't soo...
[03:22] <dabaR> nohup means dont hang up the program when I close the terminal.
[03:22] <meatwad65> gord: i heard the same thing
[03:22] <ptlo> oh, you've already answered that, sorry :/
[03:22] <mustard5> Nihil85, hehe..hmmmm..I don't know in italian :)
[03:22] <meatwad65> i just don't have much use anymore because not many apps i need
[03:22] <dreadnought> any admin free to help me?
[03:22] <Nihil85> mustard5, me too!
[03:23] <meatwad65> used to be all the apps i loved were windows only
[03:23] <dabaR> dreadnought: for what?
[03:23] <dreadnought> downloading damn java again
[03:23] <dreadnought> btw im mgdam
[03:23] <dabaR> dreadnought: and what is "admin" mean?
[03:23] <meatwad65> i actually wish i could have amarok on windows compared to itunes
[03:23] <dreadnought> diff name
[03:23] <dabaR> hi mgdam:)
[03:23] <wickedpuppy> dreadnought, blackdown is in repos ...
[03:23] <dreadnought> hi
[03:23] <Melissa83> heya mustard5! ^_^ Would you believe that i totally hosed X again last night?
[03:23] <dabaR> I installed java on your computer before:)
[03:24] <dreadnought> huh
[03:24] <gord_> yea i know, but i have a loooot of games sitting on my shelf that iv not played in years for not using windows ;)
[03:24] <dreadnought> stillll????
[03:24] <meatwad65> i don't think wine fixes taht
[03:24] <dabaR> still what?
[03:24] <mustard5> Melissa83, I can believe that :)  I am good at busting my box too ;)
[03:24] <meatwad65> you need cedega
[03:24] <mustard5> Melissa83, did you try installing ati?
[03:24] <meatwad65> or formerly winex
[03:24] <Melissa83> mustard5: Installing ATI is what hosed it, even after reloading back-ed up config it was shot
[03:24] <dabaR> dreadnought: what did you do so far, have you gotten the .deb file yet?
[03:25] <gord_> depends, its really come on latly. directX apis are being impliemtned a bit now
[03:25] <Nihil85> mustard5, ok, i've found it. the meaning is another... i had to try every apps!!!
[03:25] <dreadnought> dabaR: administration duh
[03:25] <gord_> n if the game is opengl then your pritty much set
[03:25] <Melissa83> mustard5: Finally got it up again, and changed something (think i was messing with network settings), and X was hosed again
[03:25] <dreadnought> uh i got to the site ubotu got me to
[03:25] <meatwad65> oh cool gord
[03:25] <dabaR> dreadnought: ya, but what do you need an administration person for installing Java...
[03:25] <meatwad65> directx is so evil :(
[03:25] <mustard5> Melissa83, yeah ati can be a bit of a headache.  I believe that is why nalioth was trying to encourage you to use VESA instead :)
[03:25] <dabaR> dreadnought: show me the output of cat /etc/issue
[03:25] <Melissa83> so i went through the install again, figured i would start fresh since i at least knew how to get X up again, but for some reason the isntall was hosed. Then i get home from work, and it works *boggle*
[03:25] <meatwad65> i just wish there was a decent cross platform api
[03:25] <dreadnought> theyre ususally were prolific in linux
[03:25] <gord_> specially what its doing to opengl in vista...
[03:25] <dreadnought> an=d they help
[03:25] <Nihil85> mustard5, the name I gave to the desktop area are lost. why?!?!?
[03:25] <meatwad65> yeah opengl is gonna be dead
[03:25] <mustard5> Nihil85, good work :)
[03:26] <yahya> how can I get a list of all packages from a particular repository?
[03:26] <meatwad65> all the vid cards are driven by directx more so than opengl now
[03:26] <mustard5> Nihil85, your workspace switcher probably got reset too, its an applet as well
[03:26] <gord_> allthough if they keep it up, i can hardly see the european courts standing for it.. the american ones might let it side though which is just as bad
[03:26] <dabaR> yahya: what repository? look in synaptic...
[03:26] <meatwad65> i had to buy a new vid card just to play battlefield 2
[03:26] <dreadnought> dabaR?
[03:26] <meatwad65> but if it was opengl i could have played it at least
[03:26] <dabaR> dreadnought: open a terminal, and type: cat /etc/issue, and tell me what that told you.
[03:27] <meatwad65> pixelshaders are just bad imo
[03:27] <yahya> dabaR: I just added a new repos.. I'm just curious and want to browse what's avilable there
[03:27] <mustard5> Nihil85, did you uninstall gnome-applets at some stage?
[03:27] <dreadnought> okkkkkkkk
[03:27] <gord_> nah, opengl is a specification so the card makers make their own drivers. much more preferable than hoping that there will be an ok directx implientattion
[03:27] <Nihil85> mustard5, no, i haven't
[03:27] <gord_> pixelshaders rock until you realise that your card can't do them -_-
[03:27] <dabaR> yahya: its a http site, maybe you can browse it on the web somewhere. What repository? is it a ubuntu one?
[03:27] <meatwad65> at least with opengl we have a shot at having gamlees playab
[03:28] <meatwad65> *playable
[03:28] <meatwad65> my laptop keyboard keeps messing up
[03:28] <yahya> dabaR:  no it's the PLF one, i couldnt' find a list on their site
[03:28] <gord_> sticky keys? i ain't sayin nothin...
[03:28] <dreadnought> i have hoary but here u go  mgdam@ubuntu:~$ cat /etc/issue
[03:28] <dreadnought> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" \n \l
[03:28] <dreadnought> mgdam@ubuntu:~$
[03:28] <dabaR> yahya: just enable only that repo, and reload your package list.
[03:28] <wickedpuppy> meatwad65, gord_ guys this chan is for ubuntu support ... pls go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:28] <meatwad65> oops
[03:29] <dabaR> dreadnought: no need to paste more than one line of that. Also, if you paste more than one line, please use the paste.ubuntulinux.nl site.
[03:29] <gord_> sorry :) mistake
[03:29] <dabaR> dreadnought: ok, thanks. now read what ubotu tells you, and get a java file from there.
[03:29] <dreadnought> wow ur a sweet kid ya know
[03:29] <duke3z> could some please send me a link to using sudo to install cedega 5.0?
[03:29] <yahya> dabaR: yeah i guess.. I was hoping there might be a more elegant command or something :P
[03:29] <wickedpuppy> duke3z, you bought cedega ?
[03:29] <duke3z> ya
[03:29] <Toma-> duke3z: is it the tar ball?
[03:29] <wickedpuppy> duke3z, call transgaming for support ?
[03:29] <duke3z> no .deb
[03:30] <duke3z> not yet
[03:30] <meatwad65> can't you just do sudo dpkg -i file.deb?
[03:30] <wickedpuppy> why not do so now ?
[03:30] <Toma-> duke3z: sudo dpkg -i cedega.blah.deb
[03:30] <dreadnought> how do i get the blackdown thing
[03:30] <duke3z> thank you Toma
[03:30] <BeGu> duke3z, how much did cedega cost?
[03:30] <wickedpuppy> next we be supporting for MS Office ....
[03:30] <duke3z> 5 bucks a month
[03:31] <BeGu> well that's not much
[03:31] <meatwad65> i used to pay for winex
[03:31] <Inv_arp> bimberi: ok just learned that xfwm4  (was in the listing) is actually xfce4,   xfce4 is the environment, xfwm4 is the wm for the xfce4 environment...  thx for your help