[12:12] <cousteau> How do I prevent bluetooth from auto-starting when I boot?  Disable the service?  Edit /etc/bluetooth/main.conf?  Blacklist the driver?  All three?
[12:13] <cousteau> I tried removing AutoStart=true from /etc/bluetooth/main.conf with no luck
[12:13] <cousteau> (also, for some reason the "airplane mode" button on this laptop does nothing)
[12:16] <Spass> cousteau, instead of removing did you try changing it to "false"? if you want to disable it completely you can also check your BIOS settings
[12:17] <Spass> maybe disabling blueman-applet from autostart will help (but probably not)
[12:24] <cousteau> well no, I did not try that because the .conf file said it defaulted to false.  Admittedly it was something worth trying.
[12:24] <cousteau> the problem is that if I disable blueman-applet from autostart I have no idea how to check if bluetooth is running or not
[12:25] <cousteau> so I wanted to avoid that option
[12:25] <wblackstone> have problem
[12:26] <wblackstone> using denis5 usb creator
[12:26] <cousteau> I've also tried pressing the "airplane" key on my keyboard (Fn+F2) but I'm not sure it's even wired... what's it even supposed to do, I wonder?
[12:26] <wblackstone> cousteau: is the firmware loaded
[12:27] <cousteau> the firmware for what?
[12:27] <cousteau> bluetooth and wifi are working, if that's what you mean
[12:27] <wblackstone> airplane mode means block all radios
[12:28] <cousteau> yes, so if bluetooth and wifi are working that means airplane mode isn't working, but the firmware for bluetooth and wifi has been loaded (I assume)
[12:28] <cousteau> or did you mean the firmware for the keyboard?
[12:29] <wblackstone> use rfkill
[12:29] <wblackstone> rfkill block all
[12:29] <wblackstone> then rfkill list all
[12:30] <cousteau> gotta figure out what's rfkill... I had seen it before but I thought it was something to do with drivers in general; it didn't occur to me that "rf" means radio-frequency stuff
[12:31] <cousteau> ok, just did, thanks!
[12:31] <wblackstone> cousteau: what is ubuntu core 16
[12:32] <wblackstone> cousteau: maybe you can figure this out
[12:33] <wblackstone> cousteau: mind a pm?
[12:33] <wblackstone> └─ $ ▶ liveusb-creator
[12:33] <wblackstone> (process:964): GConf-WARNING **: Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon:
[12:33] <wblackstone> Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[12:33] <wblackstone> Traceback (most recent call last):
[12:33] <wblackstone>   File "/usr/share/liveusb-creator-ubuntu/liveusb-creator", line 66, in <module>
[12:33] <wblackstone>     main()
[12:36] <cousteau> sorry I have no idea of the usb creator issue
[12:36] <cousteau> I just used a CD to install mine...
[12:36] <cousteau> brb, trying if the rfkill block thing is permanent
[13:13] <Mr-Potter> Hi I'm using lubuntu 18.04 lts with xubuntu-desktop installed
[13:13] <Mr-Potter> Is there any way of changing it to xubuntu without reformatting or will I be able to do that by simply removing the lubuntu packages?
[13:16] <knome> you do not need to do anything; you are essentially running xubuntu now
[13:17] <Mr-Potter> knome: Thanks for that :)
[13:17] <Mr-Potter> Is there a list of lubuntu packages I can remove or should I ask elsewhere?
[13:18] <knome> that part is a little complicated; it's not trivial to create that list
[13:19] <Mr-Potter> :O
[13:20] <Mr-Potter> knome: how do I see all the dependencies for lubuntu-desktop at least?
[13:20] <Mr-Potter> I love how ur name is misspelt
[13:21] <knome> Mr-Potter, apt show lubuntu-desktop
[13:21] <knome> it's spelled just how it should ;)
[13:21] <knome> (it's not even meant as a joke, it's just a coincidence from before i started using linux even...)
[13:22] <Mr-Potter> I see thanks
[13:23] <Mr-Potter> how do i uninstall all of that packages dependencies
[13:23] <knome> well, that's the non-trivial part
[13:23] <Mr-Potter> without damaging xfce4?
[13:24] <knome> you don't *WANT* to remove all of it, since part of it is something that is considered core ubuntu, some of it is used by xubuntu...
[13:24] <knome> not necessarily breaking xubuntu, but you might be removing something you don't want
[13:24] <Mr-Potter> or xubuntu
[13:24] <knome> removing most things that start with lx should be ok
[13:25] <knome> abiword isn't used in xubuntu
[13:25] <Mr-Potter> i see
[13:25] <Mr-Potter> what about gnumeric
[13:25] <knome> neither is sylpeed
[13:25] <knome> not that either
[13:26] <knome> though - you might prefer them to libreoffice
[13:26] <knome> in that case don't remove ;)
[13:26] <knome> that looks like most of the big components
[13:29] <Mr-Potter> out of curiosity how do i change the startup screen from lubuntu to xubuntu?
[13:31] <eater9> Hi - I have a laptop connected to an external monitor, and I keep the laptop screen off. When I turn the monitor off and on, the laptop screen comes back on, and as a result a bunch of my windows get repositioned, I guess because the framebuffer size changes. Any ideas on how to prevent that?
[13:32] <knome> eater9, is the laptop monitor set as the primary one?
[13:32] <eater9> nope
[13:33] <Mr-Potter> no I actually meant the splash screen which loads when the computer is starting and says "lubuntu"
[13:33] <knome> Mr-Potter, "dpkg-reconfigure lightdm" maybe?
[13:33] <brainwash> splash screen is plymouth
[13:34] <brainwash> did you remove packages starting with lubuntu- yet?
[13:34] <brainwash> I'd think that should remove the lubuntu branding
[13:35] <knome> brainwash, thanks, i've never done this so things get messed up in my head.. :)
[13:38] <brainwash> Mr-Potter: actually plymouth-theme-lubuntu-* packages
[13:38] <Mr-Potter> brainwash: Yes
[13:41] <Mr-Potter> out of curiosity can you do anything in software which you cant in synaptic
[13:41] <brainwash> eater9: I haven't tested it, but you can configure displays via xfce4-display-settings, including disabling unneeded ones
[13:43] <eater9> brainwash: thanks, I've done that, but it doesn't STAY disabled when the external monitor is switched off and on
[13:44] <brainwash> Mr-Potter: you cannot install firmware/bios updates with synaptic
[13:44] <brainwash> Mr-Potter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fwupd
[13:44] <brainwash> >Updates can be exposed via a command line tool, or within graphical package managers (such as GNOME Software) via a D-bus interface.
[13:45] <Mr-Potter> brainwash: I meant the software application not software in general sorry
[13:45] <brainwash> (GNOME) Software
[13:45] <brainwash> right?
[13:46] <brainwash> the store application
[13:48] <Mr-Potter> yes
[13:49] <Mr-Potter> is that included in xubuntu by default
[13:50] <brainwash> like I said, Software has support for Fwupd
[13:50] <brainwash> that would be a difference when compared to synaptic
[13:51] <Spass> Mr-Potter, yes it is included by default, but it's good to still have Synaptic installed
[13:52] <brainwash> Software allows you to install snaps also
[13:53] <Mr-Potter> got it thanks
[13:53] <Mr-Potter> which one is the best?
[13:53] <Spass> Software + Synaptic is a best solution
[13:53] <Spass> in my opinion
[13:54] <brainwash> it's not like you are forced to use one of them exclusively
[13:54] <Mr-Potter> true
[13:54] <Mr-Potter> is it possible to uninstall software
[13:55] <brainwash> try it
[13:55] <Mr-Potter> what is a snap and is the package name software?
[13:55] <Spass> Software for installing Snaps and DEB packages, Synaptic if you want to search for (or install) a specific package, it also shows you dependencies etc.
[13:55] <brainwash> it's probably gnome-software
[13:56] <Mr-Potter> I tried it is possible but I pressed n instead of removing it because I wanna keep it
[13:57] <knome> theoretically you can uninstall *everything*
[13:57] <Mr-Potter> knome: If I did that then how would my system operate?
[13:57] <knome> it would not
[13:57] <knome> but you could do that.
[13:57] <Mr-Potter> i meant if I removed gnome -software then would the rest of the os operate
[13:58] <Mr-Potter> knome: Exactly. That is true. Then again I would have to subsquently reinstall
[13:58] <knome> removing just gnome-software is completely fine.
[13:58] <Mr-Potter> got it
[13:58] <knome> it's technically just an user interface for installing packages
[13:58] <knome> or in other words, a package manager
[13:58] <Mr-Potter> a bit like synpatic
[13:58] <Mr-Potter> *synaptic
[13:59] <Mr-Potter> Which I can also remove
[13:59] <knome> yes, exactly like synaptic - but completely different
[13:59] <Mr-Potter> Out of curiosity can I upgrade xubuntu from a disk?
[13:59] <Mr-Potter> Or only clean install
[13:59] <knome> apt (the command line tool) is also a package manager
[13:59] <Mr-Potter> And if so can it be the desktop one or the minimal one?
[13:59] <Mr-Potter> yes
[14:00] <knome> you should be able to use a live USB/DVD with a newer xubuntu ISO as a repository for an upgrade
[14:00] <brainwash> eater9: sadly, no idea. it could be the intended behavior.
[14:00] <Mr-Potter> what about upgrading the same version of xubuntu to the same version of xubuntu?
[14:01] <knome> if you have the desktop or the minimal ISO, then you would be able to use that as a package repository, but you would need to download the xubuntu-specific packages from the internet
[14:01] <brainwash> eater9: I would check the Xfce forums and bug tracker (component is xfce4-settings)
[14:01] <knome> Mr-Potter, i don't understand... you mean if you had an ISO that has newer packages that your current installation?
[14:01] <knome> i guess you could do that but it would make little sense if you have internet connectivity on your machine
[14:01] <Mr-Potter> no I mean if my install was broken and I had an exactly identical ISO
[14:02] <knome> ISO != install
[14:02] <Mr-Potter> Would I have to reformat destroying all data and packages present?
[14:02] <knome> so no, that doesn't work like that
[14:02] <knome> depends how your system is broken; most issues are fixable without a reinstallation
[14:03] <knome> even then, if your data was stored under a separate /home partition, you'd be able to keep your files and most configuration -- not the installed package list though
[14:03] <knome> obviously you could keep track of packages you installed/removed after installing, but in my experience it's not likely to be worth it
[14:04] <knome> in case you need to reinstall, getting the configuration right is much more consuming that figuring out which packages you need to install
[14:04] <knome> at least if you mostly use the main repositories
[14:05] <Mr-Potter> what if the issue did require a reinstall
[14:06] <knome> avoid all this by taking backups often enough.
[14:08] <Mr-Potter> knome: What if I have backed up my data but been neglient to take an image backup? Scenario being taht I could reformat but restoring data is still an unneccessary hassle. Is it technically possible to do a repair install like I can on Windows
[14:10] <pmjdebruijn> Mr-Potter: "repair"
[14:11] <pmjdebruijn> debsums is a very handy tool :)
[14:30] <knome> Mr-Potter, sorry, i need to run...
[15:31] <sacarde> hi
[15:32] <sacarde> do you know why I dont view menu-bar on thunar... like this: https://s33.postimg.cc/8p7cfq84f/Istantanea_2018-08-21_18-10-15.png ?
[15:35] <diogenes_> sacarde, if you press alt does it show up?
[16:16] <Stek_Turku> Hi all
[16:18] <Stek_Turku> Why do Xubuntu 16.04 LTS 32 bit and Xubuntu 18.04 LTS 64 bit answer differently about total memory (free command and /proc/meminfo) on a laptopt equipped with 8GiB ram?
[16:18] <xubuntu27d> Yesterday (sorry my user yesterday was xubuntu76d)  , Spass,  suggest me to purge nvidia-396 driver (and try to have CUDA running with nvidia-390 driver), because I'm not able at running apt install (nvidia related package dependencies problems appear). The problem is that the same occurs qhen trying to use apt purge. Any idea?
[16:23] <brainwash> Stek_Turku: and what output do you get?
[16:24] <brainwash> xubuntu27d: share the terminal output https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[16:26] <Axzercion> Stek_Turku, because one is 32 bit and the other 64 bit :)
[16:26] <Axzercion> the difference is exactly that: 32 vs 64 bit
[16:27] <xubuntu27d> brainwash, an output example of trying to install htop, for instance: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6C4Pc87bfD/
[16:30] <xubuntu27d> The problem is always the same for whatever I want to install: The following packages have unmet dependencies:  libglx-mesa0 : Depends: libglapi-mesa (= 18.0.0~rc5-1ubuntu1) but 18.0.5-0ubuntu0~18.04.1 is to be installed
[16:33] <brainwash> sudo apt install libglx-mesa0=18.0.5-0ubuntu0~18.04.1
[16:33] <Axzercion> and otherwise apt-get -f install ?
[16:33] <Axzercion> without the '?' then
[16:33] <brainwash> you did not try that yet?
[16:34] <xubuntu27d> no. I will
[16:36] <xubuntu27d> The output here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/26R9fhWxF5/
[16:39] <brainwash> nvidia-396 still there
[16:40] <xubuntu27d> I cannot delete.... (and anyway, most probably I will not be able at using CUDA than)
[16:44] <Stek_Turku> brainwash: 64 bit MemTotal = 8058180 kB and 32 bit MemTotal = 8181744 kB
[16:44] <brainwash> xubuntu27d: I guess it would be best to ask in #ubuntu then
[16:46] <Stek_Turku> <Axzercion: sorry for my poor knowledge but 8GiB is the same in the two O.S. (lshw output is the same for both --> size: 8GiB)
[16:52] <Axzercion> A 64bit process is always going to use a little more memory than a 32 bit process
[16:53] <Axzercion> Stek_Turku: https://askubuntu.com/questions/7034/what-are-the-differences-between-32-bit-and-64-bit-and-which-should-i-choose/70551#70551
[16:56] <Stek_Turku> Axzercion: thank you for your answer and the article
[16:56] <Axzercion> no problem
[17:31] <Mr-Potter> can you have a /home partition on ntfs?
[17:34] <Mr-Potter> or does it have to be formatted using a linux file system
[17:46] <brainwash> Mr-Potter: why ntfs?
[17:46] <Mr-Potter> cause i dual boot with windows 10 which uses ntfs
[17:48] <brainwash> sounds like a bad idea
[17:49] <brainwash> if even possible due to ownership/permissions issues
[18:18] <sacarde> diogenes_, no
[18:18] <sacarde> diogenes_, but it show up if I run with "sudo"
[18:20] <diogenes_> sacarde, rename ~/.config/Thunar
[18:20] <brainwash> sacarde: ctrl+m
[18:23] <sacarde> I try
[19:18] <Spass> sacarde, F10 to show menubar, F9 to show/hide side panel
[19:19] <Spass> or Ctrl+M for menubar
[19:22] <sacarde> but there is a global configuration in xfce ?
[21:59] <M-Potter> Hi everyone I've just tried moving my home directory to another partition, the result being that I now cannot login. What should I do?
[22:03] <brainwash> M-Potter: why can't you log in?
[22:08] <M-Potter> do you still use lightdm
[22:08] <M-Potter> brainwash: Even when I get the password right the login screen just refuses to let me in
[22:08] <M-Potter> Even on an account with no password
[22:08] <M-Potter> so i've tried both accounts I have
[22:10] <brainwash> M-Potter: it tells you "wrong password"?
[22:11] <M-Potter> no
[22:11] <M-Potter> it just refuses
[22:11] <knome> sounds like a permission issue
[22:13] <M-Potter> out of curiosity do partitions specificed in fstab actually mount automatically?
[22:14] <M-Potter> I think I'm tempted to do a reinstall on the partition I tried to use as a home partition and use my existing partition for /home is it worth it?
[22:14] <M-Potter> i've even tried changing /etc/fstab back
[22:14] <M-Potter> It still won't let me in!
[22:14] <M-Potter> :(
[22:16] <brainwash> can you log in on a tty?
[22:24] <n-iCe> hi
[22:55] <Spass> hello n-iCe
[22:56] <n-iCe> how you doing
[22:58] <Spass> I'm doing "meh", and you?
[22:58] <n-iCe> alright!
[23:01] <Mr-Potter> Hi is there any way of making a partition temporarily non bootable?
[23:01] <Mr-Potter> what is a tty
[23:01] <Mr-Potter> brainwash
[23:09] <n-iCe> Mr-Potter: sure, use gparted
[23:09] <n-iCe> tty is a terminal window
[23:12] <Mr-Potter> n-iCe: What do I do using gparted?
[23:17] <n-iCe> create a partition


[12:06] <dpm> ah, davidcalle, I did some more edits to the community ports page yesterday and I created an anchor to it: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/devices/#community-ports
[12:06] <davidcalle> dpm: oh nice edits!
[12:07] <dpm> well, you did all the work revamping the page :)
[12:11] <davidcalle> popey: dpm: mhall119: balloons: dholbach: do we have a good way of recording the phone screen at "at least" ~20fps and no lag? I've tried many things without success. Maybe there is a brand new method I'm not aware of?
[12:15] <popey> no
[12:15] <popey> the way I do it, I get ~4fps
[12:16] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15130508/ that's the script I use
[12:16] <popey> plug phone in over usb cable and run that script
[12:41] <davidcalle> popey: excellent! I've tweaked it a little and I get the perf I need
[12:41] <popey> patches welcome davidcalle :)
[12:42] <davidcalle> ssh $SSH_OPTS -C -c aes128-ctr phablet@localhost mirscreencast -m /var/run/mir_socket --stdout --cap-interval 1 -s 360 640 |  mplayer -framedrop -demuxer rawvideo -rawvideo w=360:h=640:format=rgba -
[12:42] <davidcalle> l135
[12:43] <davidcalle> popey: ^
[15:36] <sverzegnassi> balloons: ping
[16:14] <dpm> balloons, can you remind me... core app click packages are built on every commit of a MP, or only when it's been approved and merged into trunk?
[16:14] <balloons> we build on every commit
[16:14] <dpm> ok, cool thanks
[16:14] <balloons> so we get a click everytime. However, what goes into the store / gets reviewed is built seperately
[16:15] <balloons> sverzegnassi, pong
[16:15] <dpm> and what does it mean that it's built separately?
[16:15] <balloons> I mean, popey builds them however he wishes :-) I don't believe he takes the click from the a jenkins MP, but maybe he does :-)
[16:16] <popey> sometimes
[16:17] <popey> I was building locally for a while for numerous reasons. 1) When jenkins failed, 2) When I wanted a fat package, 3) When jenkins builds a click without the right version number in the filename
[16:17] <popey> (3) is the only one that still applies now
[16:17] <popey> due to the rather ropey chroot we have, which doesn't have bzr installed due to dependency hell
[16:18] <balloons> ahh, well presumably you just kick off a build of trunk to get your click then?
[16:19] <popey> yes
[16:19] <popey> I build every core app every day anyway
[16:19] <popey> but if I am about to upload and one of the above issues arises, I'll build on demand
[16:22] <balloons> so dpm, the workflow is covering the upload to the store. The first bit happens on every commit, the second is the store upload. I had them broken up better, but left them as bullet points since I wanted to make a visual anyway
[16:24] <dpm> popey, but I guess that (3) is simply a bug? Is it still present and affects all apps?
[16:28] <balloons> dpm, afaik it's an issue with how cmake is built. I'd call it simply a bug that could be fixed
[16:30] <popey> yes, it's a bug
[16:30] <popey> its a bug in the samba packaging which means we have to do a bit of a packaging dance
[18:33] <lets_go_surfing> appdevs: Hi there, I'm quite new to QML development and I hope I can find some help here. Imagine I'm writing a client to some rest API, so the question is: how much should I implement in C++ and how much in QML?
[18:34] <lets_go_surfing> At the moment I have a rest client implemented using JS via XMLHttpRequest and it works fine, but the question is how to implement for example loading of images, how to persist them, is it possible from QML?
[18:35] <lets_go_surfing> Since Ubuntu apps are being written using QML, I hope some of you guys can help me a bit here, thanks in advance!


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[15:02] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:03] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek cjwatson xnox caribou infinity mvo bhuey sil2100 robru)
[15:03] <slangasek> jodh cjwatson sil2100 doko caribou slangasek infinity bdmurray mvo barry bhuey stgraber xnox robru
[15:03] <jodh> * systemd: started to look at an issue where boot "works", but login not
[15:03] <jodh>   possible (all getty's are disabled, lightdm not responsive).
[15:03] <jodh> * system images
[15:03] <jodh>   - Reading up on seeds, germinate, etc.
[15:03] <jodh>   - Working on cdimage with mvo.
[15:03] <jodh> * Raised bug 1345505 and found a way to recreate easily.
[15:03] <jodh> * misc
[15:03] <jodh>   - Appraisal admin.
[15:03] <jodh> ت
[15:05] <slangasek> cjwatson: your turn :)
[15:05] <cjwatson> Much work on the RTM archive:
[15:05] <cjwatson>  - Wrote derive-distribution script to do the initial batch copy.  Quite pleased with it; it can do a germinate run based on historical Packages/Sources files and seeds, and sanity-check the result against historical image manifests.
[15:05] <cjwatson>  - Worked with William to do a dry-run branch on dogfood.
[15:05] <cjwatson>  - Got image building working, after a few livecd-rootfs tweaks.
[15:05] <cjwatson>  - Reviewed some of William's Launchpad branch stack to fix up overrides.
[15:05] <cjwatson>  - Arranged to pass the distribution name to sbuild in order to make ddeb-retriever work more nicely.
[15:05] <cjwatson>  - Working on getting proposed-migration up and running.
[15:05] <cjwatson> Another couple of landing team shifts, including assisting with the gcc-4.9 switch for C++11 projects.
[15:05] <cjwatson> Finished parted 3.1 transition in Ubuntu (now I think just awaiting a delayed NMU in Debian).  Seems to have been pleasingly uneventful so far, touch wood.
[15:05] <cjwatson> Performance reviews, argh.
[15:05] <cjwatson> ..
[15:06] <sil2100> o/
[15:06] <sil2100> - Temperatures too high, productivity down 50% (seriously!)
[15:06] <sil2100> - Landing team work, landing e-mails, landing coordination - standard stuff
[15:06] <sil2100> - Pushing upstreams for blocker fixes
[15:06] <xnox> jodh: systemd has a unit which blocks/unblock logins on boot. that must run if you want to have logins working.
[15:06] <sil2100> - Finished up the CI Train Issue tracker:
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Working frontend and backend
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Export for e-mail purposes functionality
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Tweaked the look and feel, almost ready for public deployment
[15:06] <sil2100> - CI Train maintenance and features:
[15:06] <sil2100>   * More work on enabling CI Train for non-ubuntu distributions (e.g. ubuntu-rtm)
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Testing those changes on preproduction and dogfood
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Reading up on python-jenkins
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Implementation and pre-testing of the new auto-merge&clean
[15:06] <jodh> xnox: it's not that - it's looking like a cgroups issue.
[15:06] <sil2100>     - Things look good, but had to move those back because of other work items
[15:06] <sil2100> - Inspecting choo choo strangeness happening
[15:07] <xnox> jodh: fun
[15:07] <sil2100> - Packaging related things, small packaging reviews for upstreams
[15:07] <sil2100> done
[15:07] <jodh> xnox: yeah
[15:09] <infinity> Is doko around?
[15:09] <infinity> No, wait.  He's not.
[15:09] <infinity> And I see no caribou either.
[15:11] <slangasek>  * working on bug #1323732 in adduser for the phone, as well as additional pieces surrounding authentication on the phone
[15:11] <slangasek>  * working through the problems with crash submission on the phone; our successful retrace rate on armhf is currently about 50% of that for amd64, and getting better
[15:11] <slangasek>  * performance reviews
[15:11] <slangasek>  * helped finish working through g++-4.9 C++11 transitions
[15:11] <slangasek>  * opening a new position on the Foundations team - send me good applicants :)
[15:11] <slangasek> (done)
[15:11] <infinity> * working with ah on util-linux in Debian
[15:11] <infinity> * sorting out reviews/merges/rejects for trusty installer changes
[15:11] <infinity> * working on 14.04.1, releasing today
[15:11] <infinity> ☭
[15:14] <slangasek> bdmurray is off today
[15:14] <slangasek> mvo
[15:14] <mvo_> ok
[15:14] <mvo_> apt:
[15:14] <mvo_> - Misc merges
[15:14] <mvo_> - Work on transactional update
[15:14] <mvo_> citrain:
[15:14] <mvo_> - Trainguard duty (2 days)
[15:14] <mvo_> click:
[15:14] <mvo_> - Bug triage
[15:14] <mvo_> - Create ppa:mvo/ubuntu-sdk-libs that makes
[15:14] <mvo_>   apt-get install ubuntu-sdk-libs-dev:TARGET possible
[15:14] <mvo_> - Investigate bug #1346723, create qtcreator #1346783
[15:14] <mvo_> - Key rollover strategy
[15:14] <mvo_> - Lp:~mvo/click/lp1346723 (click chroot destroy umount magic)
[15:14] <mvo_> - Lp:~mvo/qtcreator-ubuntu-plugin/dialog-parents
[15:14] <mvo_> - Make gobject-introspection multi-arch by building with
[15:14] <mvo_>   triplet libdir and providing static path as fallback
[15:14] <mvo_> - Send gobject-introspection multiarch patch to debian
[15:14] <cjwatson> sdk-libs-dev> I promise to look at that soon, that's awesome
[15:14] <mvo_> meta-release:
[15:14] <mvo_> - Update http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/EOLReleaseAnnouncement.html
[15:14] <mvo_> misc:
[15:14] <mvo_> - 360 review
[15:14] <mvo_> - Review/merge/upload squid-deb-proxy fix for ims hit
[15:14] <mvo_> - Work with caribou on re-adding InRelease support for precise
[15:14] <mvo_> sponsoring:
[15:14] <mvo_> - Bug #1335324
[15:14] <mvo_> system-image:
[15:14] <cjwatson> g-i> !  I think I love you
[15:14] <mvo_> - work on ubuntu-core-next prototype, doesn't feel like I'm making
[15:14] <mvo_>   real progress
[15:15] <mvo_> - Discussion with jodh, cjwatson
[15:15] <mvo_> - Work on getting a local instance going
[15:15] <mvo_> - lp:~mvo/launchpad-buildd/mvo
[15:15] <mvo_> - lp:~mvo/ubuntu-archive-tools/no-sys-exit
[15:15] <mvo_> - lp:~mvo/ubuntu-cdimage/mvo
[15:15] <mvo_> - lp:~mvo/ubuntu-cdimage/system-image
[15:15] <mvo_> unattended-upgrades:
[15:15] <mvo_> - Debug/fix problem for sources from pin priority < 100 (but > 0)
[15:15] <mvo_> update-manager:
[15:15] <mvo_> - Debug/fix/sru #1348067
[15:15] <mvo_> - Investigate #1348067
[15:15] <mvo_> (done)
[15:15] <mvo_> cjwatson: thanks a bunch, its mostly a matter of filing bugs at this point I think
[15:15] <mvo_> cjwatson: haha, thanks. I gave you a lot of pain with all my mis-guided ubuntu-cdimage work :P
[15:15] <cjwatson> let's see what Debian make of it; the sourceful transitions will be interesting
[15:15] <barry> phone: system-image 2.3 and 2.3.1 boarding the citrain.  lots of testing.  LP: #1321481.  lots of investigation of LP: #1341685 - now in mandel's hands (s-i 2.3 has semi-useful a workaround).  LP: #1347745.  will send a general "call for testing" today.
[15:15] <barry> debuntu: more zope stack work trying to clear -proposed.  zope.security 4.0.1-1ubuntu2 is still "out of date" on update_excuses, but that's the last one.  todo: gunicorn (for the blueprint).
[15:16] <barry> other: helped out with LP: #1328600
[15:16] <barry> ^D
[15:16] <xnox> is everyone off, and it's my turn?
[15:16]  * bhuey waits
[15:17] <bhuey> I'll go
[15:17] <bhuey> Last week
[15:17] <bhuey> -Integrated all of the security Oracle patches, added a bunch of non-security related patches
[15:17] <bhuey> -learned how to use quilt and refreshed a bunch of patches
[15:17] <bhuey> -automated much of that patch integration process using some ruby scripts
[15:17] <bhuey> -changed debian/rules to apply each patch individually at build time
[15:17] <bhuey> This week
[15:17] <bhuey> -uploaded 7u55-2.4.7 to my ppa for trusty and utopic, lp:~bill-huey/openjdk/trusty-sec-update-june-2014
[15:17] <bhuey> -worked with trying to figure out if there's a problem with the build environment since source builds were failing under i386, including trying this a bunch of time on my local machine
[15:17] <bhuey> -started creating the TCK environment on my local machine
[15:17] <bhuey> -reading Jean-Baptise's documents on TCK configuration
[15:17] <bhuey> -writing scripts to automate extraction of Java test results done at build time
[15:17] <bhuey> ...
[15:17] <bhuey> done
[15:18] <infinity> xnox: It's you now. :P
[15:18] <xnox> =)
[15:18] <xnox> * upstart sru for .1
[15:18] <xnox> * enable upstart/cgroups in utopic
[15:18] <xnox> * fix usb-creator bugs (some fixed, some in progress)
[15:18] <xnox> * working with smoser on systemd/cloud-init enablements
[15:18] <xnox> * helping out sorting through iso-testing reports
[15:18] <xnox> * spend half of monday talking to pretty much everyone in EU and more
[15:18] <xnox> ..
[15:19] <xnox> * UE
[15:19] <xnox> that is.
[15:19] <infinity> That's a much smaller set of people.
[15:19] <slangasek> xnox: upstart/cgroups - is that enabled now?
[15:20] <xnox> slangasek: in utopic-proposed yes. let me check if it's in release already
[15:20] <slangasek> xnox: great :)
[15:20] <xnox> slangasek: apperantely that refressed systemd-shim and upstart auto package tests =)
[15:21] <xnox> *regressed
[15:21] <slangasek> hmm, ok
[15:21] <xnox> so not in release pocket, yet. will investigate.
[15:22] <slangasek> and robru is conferencing today, so also not here
[15:22] <slangasek> so that's everyone
[15:23] <slangasek> and I don't think we have a volunteer today for a deeper dive
[15:24] <slangasek> so
[15:24] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:24] <slangasek> anything else? :)
[15:24] <infinity> Someone needs to bake a cake for xnox.
[15:24] <bhuey> or spank him
[15:24] <xnox> *blush*
[15:25]  * mvo_ hands xnox a cup of tea
[15:25] <bhuey> congrads again xnox, I'l miss you
[15:25] <slangasek> yeah, what are we doing about a cake?
[15:26] <infinity> We need to have one baked in China, shipped to London, sliced, and then FedExed to each of us.
[15:26] <slangasek> infinity: DHL, you insensitive clod
[15:27] <infinity> Anywhere FedEx doesn't deliver isn't worth sending cake to.
[15:28] <xnox> infinity: well, your piece will come via Royal Mail, it may get there delayed by a month or tow
[15:28] <xnox> *two
[15:28] <barry> remind me to tell you about the time my cousin us mailed someone a fish
[15:30] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jul 24 15:30:56 2014 UTC.
[15:30] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-07-24-15.02.moin.txt
[15:30] <slangasek> clearly we're done here :)
[15:31] <slangasek> thanks, all
[15:31] <jodh> thanks!
[15:31] <infinity> \o
[15:31] <mvo_> thanks
[15:31] <barry> thanks!
[15:31] <xnox> tah
[15:37] <sil2100> robru: too late!
[15:37] <sil2100> ;)
[15:37] <robru> sil2100, ah, sorry I missed it all, I'm having the worst case of jetlag ever... I just slept 12 hours
[15:38] <robru> and woke up at a time appropriate to my home timezone, not the timezone i'm in. just awful
[15:38] <ogra_> just dont change timezones
[15:38] <ogra_> where are you anyway
[15:38] <ogra_> :P
[15:38] <robru> ogra_, yeah that's ok for my landing work, but it'll make it difficult to attend the conference that I came here for ;-)
[15:38] <robru> ogra_, Strasbourg
[15:39] <ogra_> what are all you guys doing there ? Qt is the future !
[15:39] <ogra_> :)
[15:39] <robru> ogra_, haha, yeah, I came to give a talk urging GNOME to port to Qml ;-)
[15:39] <ogra_> LOL
[15:40] <robru> ogra_, whaaaa? I'm sure GNOME will have no problem listening to some guy telling them what to do... ;-)
[15:41] <ogra_> yeah, they are so easily steerable


[07:17] <dholbach> good morning
[14:52] <jeffreyl> will bacon, Oneplus One have a ubuntu rom in the future? thanks!
[14:54] <mhall119> bacon Oneplus One?
[14:54] <from> lol
[14:55] <bzoltan> hello all
[14:55] <from> come on
[14:58] <belkinsa> Time to see how long popey's cam will last.  ;)
[14:58] <popey> nope ☻
[14:58] <popey> I'm not on this week ☻
[14:58] <jeffreyl> yes Oneplus One, codename "Bacon"
[14:58] <belkinsa> Oh.
[15:00] <dpm> hi everyone!
[15:00] <Mario_Filho> Hi All!!
[15:00] <belkinsa> o/
[15:00] <dpm> hi Mario_Filho, hi belkinsa :)
[15:02] <balloons> hi everyone
[15:02] <belkinsa> o/ balloons
[15:03] <mhall119> starting now
[15:03] <belkinsa> I see you!
[15:03] <dexorik> hello all
[15:03] <dexorik> jebane gówna
[15:03] <dexorik> chuj wam do domy tylko freeBSD
[15:04] <mhall119> if you have any questions for us, ask them here starting with QUESTION so that we see them. Ask your questions early on so that we have time to answer them.
[15:04] <from> slaba vam je slika
[15:05] <mhall119> ask at any time, we'll come back and answer them when we see them
[15:05] <guest_____> will we receive ubuntu for the oneplus one?
[15:05] <mhall119> remember to start your questions with QUESTION in all caps like that
[15:05] <guest_____> QUESTION: will we receive ubuntu for the oneplus one?
[15:07] <belkinsa> guest_____, is this a phone or a tablet?  You need to find someone who can port it.  XDA Developers is a great place to ask. And also in #ubuntu-touch.
[15:07] <joyce> QUESTION.  I am looking for a sound card to work with Ubuntu 14.04LTS going into an HP Proliant ML310e
[15:07] <belkinsa> joyce, Ask in #ubuntu since this a is not a support channel.
[15:08] <mhall119> sorry joyce, but you'll get better tech support in #ubuntu as belkinsa said
[15:08] <mhall119> there are more people there with more knowledge about things like that
[15:09] <JuanMario_> hi
[15:09] <Dick-y> I have question. Why new Ubuntu 14.04 become more heavy than before?
[15:09] <belkinsa> Dick-y, please use QUESTION:
[15:09] <belkinsa> mhall119, or is that more of a support question?
[15:09] <Dick-y> QUESTION: I have question. Why new Ubuntu 14.04 become more heavy than before?
[15:09] <JuanMario_> What Software do you recomed for graphic design?
[15:10] <belkinsa> JuanMario_, please use QUESTION:
[15:10] <mhall119> belkinsa: we can try to answer that one
[15:10] <JohnRox> QUESTION Is the performance of the emulator comparable to the performance of a real device?
[15:10] <JuanMario_> QUESTION What Software do you recomed for graphic design?
[15:10] <Dick-y> QUESTION: Why don't just Ubuntu ship a new phone with ubuntu OS installed? ubuntu better than microsoft
[15:11] <mhall119> wow, so many great questions, keep them coming everyone!
[15:11] <balloons> indeed :-) We'll get to some answers very shortly
[15:12] <JohnRox> QUESTION: Should we be expecting any SDK changes/updates when 14.10 is released?
[15:12] <mhall119> the joys of working from home :)
[15:13] <belkinsa> xD
[15:13] <Dick-y> QUESTION: Zoltan Balogh. How old is your kids? *jk*
[15:14] <Dick-y> I have waiting the time when his sons ask him wkawkaw
[15:15] <balloons> for those watching, there's some acronyms being thrown around. API is something developers use in order to work with the platform. So Zoltan and team help create interfaces for development
[15:16] <belkinsa> balloons, does API stand for something?
[15:16] <balloons> Giving developers the tools needed to make cool applications is what it's all about
[15:16] <mhall119> Application Programming Interface
[15:16] <JuanMario_> Bye for now guys !!
[15:17] <belkinsa> mhall119, ah I see.
[15:17] <balloons> indeed.. And SDK = software development kit. And UI stands for user interface (aka the stuff you see)
[15:17] <belkinsa> I figured that too.
[15:18] <balloons> Feel free to ask questions about anything, don't feel obligated to talk about the sdk :-)
[15:21] <belkinsa> I have to go. Thank for you for this (to the speakers)
[15:21] <Dick-y> mhall119: can i left the video and watch it later?
[15:21] <mhall119> thanks belkinsa
[15:21] <mhall119> Dick-y: yes
[15:21] <bzoltan> Dick-y: 4yo 2yo 1yo
[15:21] <mhall119> Dick-y: it'll be on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTfs3CEUkGw
[15:22] <Dick-y> mhall119: it's very night here in indonesia. please answer my question and thanks allot
[15:22] <mhall119> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[15:23] <bzoltan> JohnRox:  a bitslowet, but that depends on your machine
[15:25] <Dick-y> mhall119: I'm run on Asus A43S laptops.. and when on 12.04 is better...
[15:25] <Dick-y> i use xubuntu now
[15:27] <Dick-y> Core i3 750GB and with 4GB ram 1 gb nvidia gfrove
[15:27] <Dick-y> *grforce
[15:27] <Dick-y> why not proprierty driver installed? always overheat
[15:33] <popey> I'm wearing my pioneers t-shirt too ☻
[15:33] <mhall119> popey: \o/
[15:34] <bzoltan> I want one too :)
[15:34] <JohnRox> QUESTION: If you have time: Are there any other developer incentives for App developers?
[15:34] <bzoltan> JohnRox:  fame is the most important perk :)
[15:35] <mhall119> #ubuntu-app-devel
[15:35] <mhall119> https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/111350780270925540549
[15:35] <davmor2> popey: You have a T-shirt that demands there be "Pie near"  man afte rmy own heart :D
[15:35] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: As users of Ubuntu Touch, what are the best ways of getting our voice out to show developers that we would like there product on Ubuntu Touch, and do you think that Ubuntu on the desktop would be a good thing to help with trying to convince developers to develop for Ubuntu Touch?
[15:36] <nik90> bzoltan: same rules apply, submit your first app to the store to get your t-shirt. Working on the SDK doesn't count :P
[15:37] <mhall119> ^^ that
[15:37] <ChloeWolfieGirl> popey: Happy 15th
[15:39] <balloons> nik90, lol, laying down the rules :-)
[15:39] <balloons> I too am a bit jealous.. I don't have a pioneers shirt
[15:39] <nik90> balloons: lol :P
[15:40] <JohnRox> Thank you guys for answering all my question! =D
[15:40] <balloons> JohnRox, you are most welcome..
[15:47] <popey> ChloeWolfieGirl: thanks (it's 14th) ☻
[15:47] <popey> i deliberately got married in 2000 so its easy to remember how many years I've been married ㋛
[15:48] <mhall119> keep the questions coming, don't wait until the last minute or we might not have time to get to it
[15:48] <ChloeWolfieGirl> popey: welcome, Sorry for the wrong number tho x3
[15:53] <balloons> any last minute questions? You are free to ask about anything :-)
[15:55] <balloons> you guys are making me think about the n770 and n800 again
[15:55] <balloons> I loved that thing
[15:56] <bzoltan> balloons: you want an n800? I have4 of them :) unboxed
[15:59] <balloons> bzoltan, I never got to try the n9* stuff. That would be kind of interesting
[15:59] <balloons> but yea, I used to hangout on maemo
[16:00] <bzoltan> that one i have only two ... mine and my wife's
[16:00] <nik90> see you guys
[17:33] <salz_> hi


 @socialarchie [this is amazing! While writing the bug report, I've actually managed to find a w …], Sweet!
[02:28] <wxl> @kc2bez did i miss your pastebin?
[02:32] <kc2bez> no Just got back from dinner. Did you want the whole settings.cpp file?
[02:32] <wxl> please
[02:35] <kc2bez> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ftyhpWB7Wx/
[02:36] <wxl> weird
[02:36] <wxl> nothing there
[02:36] <wxl> i'm going to have to try reproducing this myself
[02:39] <kc2bez> Sorry, I am sure it is something I did.
[02:40] <wxl> maybe. bear with me though.. i have been lazy and haven't set up my disco container
[05:34] <wxl> ok @kc2bez this is a two fold problem: quilt being a jerk and the code not actually matching correctly.
[05:36] <wxl> @kc2bez let me teach you how to fix the first one, at least generally: import the patch, edit it and remove the second hunk of the patch, push again; if it fails, quilt delete it and try again, this time editing out additional lines and changing the numbers at the top to match
[05:38] <wxl> @kc2bez i ended up keeping only the folderconfig, terminal, and QStandardPath lines and the numbers were -29,2 +29,3 -- that means that the lines represent (before the patch) line 29 and two others and (after the patch) line 29 and three others. i'll let you do the math to figure that out
[05:55] <wxl> @kc2bez the second part is interesting. look at the patch and you'll see that settings.cpp has an extra line the patch doesn't expect (693) and the line numbers don't match up at all because of the splitView setting in line 306
[06:01] <wxl> @kc2bez so you can look at the history of the settings.cpp file since the last release and you'll see there are a small handful of changes, none of which particular affect anything affecting us...... except for one https://github.com/lxqt/pcmanfm-qt/commit/c36dbefe8580d46785dcd392956b22ac29f96613#diff-eec8b71fb3feecaa3f1bbc82a22b94a4
[06:03] <wxl> @kc2bez this seems to be nothing more than a removal of APIs.. therefore my guess is that we can get rid of that line and not be affected, really. it will take removing the line and applying the patch (perhaps manually, since otherwise you'll have to be editing numbers and such).. building it and seeing what happens
 @tsimonq2 [Welcome!], Thank you @tsimonq2 , I'll probably lurk here for a while. Unlikely to have much to contribute but I'm interested to watch what goes on behind the scenes. ... Hope turkey day was great for you all.
 Tbh this was probably the most stressful thanksgiving since me and my mother had to do a lot of the cooking and we butt heads way too easily. We said sorry later so I guess it was ok. I'm just gonna order food when it comes to Christmas time lol
 hello
 what is the sulution to this?
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/jOr7ZDv.jpg
 it's error
 Установка завершилась неудачей – installation failed
 Did you install from DVD? Maybe the image is corrupt?
 @amrl did you verify the ISO hash sums before using it?
[18:06] <wxl> that would be the most likely solution but really the other channel is for support. this is for development
 ^ that too
 @socialarchie [Did you install from DVD? Maybe the image is corrupt?], From HDD. Without a flash drive, etc.
 I use EasyBCD
[18:37] <wxl> use the support channel for support please
 @teward001 [@amrl did you verify the ISO hash sums before using it?], no, but i download from offical site
 32bit
[18:39] <wxl> @amrlxxx wrong channel
 @wxl [<wxl> @amrlxxx wrong channel], and how do i fix this?)0
[18:40] <wxl> @amrlxxx isn't the support channel in the topic?
 I only install linux a second time and I am not good at everything.
 buuut
[18:43] <wxl> https://telegram.lubuntu.me/support