[00:19] <mnk0> hey sup
[00:19] <mnk0> anyone live?
[00:19] <tgm4883_laptop> !hi
[00:19] <Zinn> Thanks for being polite.  But we are so dang awesome at solving problems that we wish you would just ask your question.  Thanks.
[00:20] <tgm4883_laptop> actually
[00:20] <tgm4883_laptop> that was more of a
[00:20] <tgm4883_laptop> !ask
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[00:20] <tgm4883_laptop> my bad
[00:20] <mnk0> ok, im tryin to get my card convifured.. ati card not showing any output on my svideo out to ttv
[00:21] <mnk0> just running aticonfig --initial
[00:21] <mnk0> now
[00:25] <mnk0> when i run it . .it doesnt give me any results, and just goes to a blank cursor
[00:26] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[00:26] <tgm4883_laptop> unfortunatly i'm not that familiar with ati hardware
[00:26] <mnk0> ah k
[00:27] <mnk0> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]
[00:33] <mnk0> ok ive bypassed that issue by forcing the aticonfig
[02:28] <tgm4883_laptop> Ryan?
[02:28] <pisani> Thomas?
[02:28] <tgm4883_laptop> heh
[02:28] <tgm4883_laptop> yea,
[02:29] <tgm4883_laptop> I just fired off another email to you
[02:29] <pisani> ah right on. figured i'd hop in and see if that made sense about gpl stuff.
[02:29] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, if possible a COPYRIGHT file in the tarball would be better
[02:29] <tgm4883_laptop> in order to get it in the repos, i'd have to add one anyway
[02:30] <tgm4883_laptop> thats one of the only reasons to EVER change the .orig.tar.gz
[02:30] <pisani> Not a problem. I can patch that up tonight and publish it.
[02:30] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet.  I'll start getting some code together to package it.  I'll probably have to add a GUI frontend or make it accessible from MCC
[02:31] <tgm4883_laptop> if I make a frontend i'll shoot it back to you
[02:31] <pisani> sweet.
[02:31] <tgm4883_laptop> it will be python though, as superm1 cracks a hard whip around here
[02:32] <pisani> not a problem... but we may definitely include the frontend in the next release of mythdora then.
[02:32] <pisani> Question for you. Is mythubuntu an official ubuntu off-shoot? I mean are you guys funded from the same family then?
[02:33] <tgm4883_laptop> not funded.  But IIRC we are a blessed spin off
[02:33] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1 would be the man to ask that.   Just curious.  I know ubuntu has such strength because of the model that it's in
[02:34] <pisani> We're hoping to have a new MD version out in the next month or 2.
[02:34] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[02:34] <tgm4883_laptop> sec
[02:35] <pisani> New installer. Moved some things around. Trying to make it not so janky...
[02:35] <tgm4883_laptop> pisani, if your interested,  We just added this piece of software for troubleshooting.  It grabs various logs and uploads them to pastebin.com and presents the user with a link
[02:35] <tgm4883_laptop> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-log-grabber
[02:36] <tgm4883_laptop> you might already have something like that though
[02:36] <pisani> we don't... we've tossed the idea around for something similiar
[02:37] <tgm4883_laptop> I think it needs a small tweak for V2, but IMHO it's ok
[02:37] <tgm4883_laptop> its accessible from the frontend which is kinda nice
[02:38] <pisani> That is nice. We've got a few add-ons in the frontend.. and the next version will have some more.
[02:38] <tgm4883_laptop> anyway i'm going to go grab some food (i'm starving ;) ) but IIRC all of our code is GPL.  Was there anything else I could help you with?
[02:38] <pisani> As for uploading logs.. we don't do that type of things cause there is really only 2 of providing the support for the masses.
[02:38] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[02:39] <pisani> Catch you later. I'll drop you a line when i publish the new tar file.
[02:39] <tgm4883_laptop> awesome, thanks
[02:46] <superm1> i've been summoned?
[02:48] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, pisani ?
[03:28] <Freshy> evening
[03:28] <Shadow__X> evening
[03:29] <Freshy> can i use fta satellite cards with mythubuntu?
[03:30] <Shadow__X> maybe
[03:30] <Shadow__X> linuxtv.org wiki should know for certain
[03:43] <Freshy> Shadow__X what video card do you use?
[03:43] <Shadow__X> geforce 6150
[03:43] <Shadow__X> why
[03:44] <Freshy> i want to make an affordable pvr.. but if i could add satellite that would be really cool
[03:44] <Shadow__X> ah
[03:44] <Shadow__X> well technically speaking you can add sat
[03:44] <Shadow__X> you just might have issues getting channel changes and all the like working
[03:45] <Freshy> you can have a cable in card.. and a sat in card.. or you would just use multiple video/audio in cards
[03:45] <Freshy> if i have both cable and satellite
[03:45] <Shadow__X> you can have as many tuners as you can fit
[03:45] <Freshy> cool
[03:46] <Freshy> i have been looking at software: mytheatre
[03:48] <Freshy> i may try mythubuntu this weekend.. thanks for the help
[04:30] <f4hy> Hey everyone. I need to trouble shoot some problems. I just installed off the CD. My tv signal looks terrible, it is low quality and flickers. Also i am having an issue when playing a video file it says "loading" then hangs
[04:30] <f4hy> Playing a video file directly with `vlc video.avi` worked just fine
[04:32] <f4hy> I am using the lastest x86 mythbuntu, a older winfast card, and an ATI video card (with the binary blob drivers installed.)
[04:32] <f4hy> Any help diagnosing the problem or pointers to where to look for these problems would be appreciated.
[04:36] <Shadow__X> does mplayer play the file
[04:38] <jeeves__> are there people in here tonight?
[04:38] <tgm4883_laptop> !ask
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[04:39] <f4hy> Shadow__X, running it from mplayer `pathtofile` looks like it starts to run, shows a running time at the command line, but nothing on the screen
[04:39] <jeeves__> I'm trying to build a MythTV back end server.  I'm looking for the best sudgestions for cards.
[04:40] <hads> I'd go for a DVB-S card myself but that really depends on where you are and what you can receive :)
[04:40] <Shadow__X> f4hy, is this mythbuntu
[04:40] <Shadow__X> and getting ati to work is a pain in the ass
[04:40] <jeeves__> hads, I'm looking to pick up the 110
[04:40] <foxbuntu> jeeves__, the WinTV-PVR cards are pretty good
[04:40] <f4hy> Shadow__X, it is running a clean install of mythbuntu
[04:41] <Shadow__X> ati again is a pain in the ass working
[04:41] <hads> I have no idea what the 110 is.
[04:41] <Shadow__X> esp the new driver
[04:41] <f4hy> Shadow__X, it does not seem to be an ATI issue
[04:41] <Shadow__X> using vlc tries to use xv then uses x11
[04:41] <jeeves__> foxbuntu, I've been looking @ the Haupanhage and Twinhan cards, but I want to be able to do something with them, so I need to make sure that I can add/change things on the cards, and I don't want to put out a lot of $$ for something that I can't use
[04:41] <f4hy> Shadow__X, the driver is installed and the screen works fine, TV output shows stuff, although staticy, does not indicate a video drive issue to me
[04:41] <Shadow__X> if it doesnt play by itself in mplayer than xv pro isnt working
[04:42] <foxbuntu> jeeves__, what do you mean change things on the cards?
[04:42] <f4hy> Shadow__X, alright so what is xv then? is there an argument for mplayer to use x11 then?
[04:42] <jeeves__> foxbuntu, what do you think I mean.  I know it's a taboo subject here
[04:43] <tgm4883_laptop> jeeves__, are you talking about sasc ng?
[04:43] <foxbuntu> jeeves__, yeah, well just checking, that pretty much means no support
[04:43] <jeeves__> tgm4883_laptop, sasc ng?
[04:43] <rhpot1991> sasc-ng
[04:43] <Zinn> rhpot1991: sasc-ng is a method to ILLEGALLY receive cable or satellite broadcasts via a fake software dvb-s/c device.  It is forbidden from being discussed in #ubuntu-mythtv, #ubuntu-mythtv-dev, #mythtv-users, and #mythtv.  If you would like to learn more about it, please refer to it's developers and keep any and all discussions about it there.
[04:44] <tgm4883_laptop> AFAIK, changing things on cards isn't something that is banned
[04:44] <tgm4883_laptop> but sasc-ng is
[04:44] <Zinn> tgm4883_laptop: sasc-ng is a method to ILLEGALLY receive cable or satellite broadcasts via a fake software dvb-s/c device.  It is forbidden from being discussed in #ubuntu-mythtv, #ubuntu-mythtv-dev, #mythtv-users, and #mythtv.  If you would like to learn more about it, please refer to it's developers and keep any and all discussions about it there.
[04:45] <f4hy> Shadow__X, so is xv not working a driver issue then?
[04:45] <tgm4883_laptop> in fact.  sasc-ng is so bad, that we have told Zinn to tell the person that said sasc-ng that it is banned whenever someone says sasc-ng
[04:45] <Zinn> tgm4883_laptop: sasc-ng is a method to ILLEGALLY receive cable or satellite broadcasts via a fake software dvb-s/c device.  It is forbidden from being discussed in #ubuntu-mythtv, #ubuntu-mythtv-dev, #mythtv-users, and #mythtv.  If you would like to learn more about it, please refer to it's developers and keep any and all discussions about it there.
[04:45] <Shadow__X> f4hy, its an ati problem
[04:46] <f4hy> Shadow__X, ok thanks, you have been helpful
[04:46] <tgm4883_laptop> However, if you are not talking about sasc-ng, then it is ok
[04:46] <Zinn> tgm4883_laptop: sasc-ng is a method to ILLEGALLY receive cable or satellite broadcasts via a fake software dvb-s/c device.  It is forbidden from being discussed in #ubuntu-mythtv, #ubuntu-mythtv-dev, #mythtv-users, and #mythtv.  If you would like to learn more about it, please refer to it's developers and keep any and all discussions about it there.
[04:46] <f4hy> Shadow__X, so if I revert back to the OS drivers should that fix it?
[04:46] <Shadow__X> lol
[04:46] <Shadow__X> nope
[04:46] <Shadow__X> but it will work using the cpu to do everything
[04:46] <Shadow__X> what card are you using
[04:47] <f4hy> Shadow__X, an old shitty winfast card
[04:47] <Shadow__X> ati card
[04:48] <f4hy> Shadow__X, so if TV does not work, I blame that, but video files didnt work so i was concerned
[04:49] <f4hy> Shadow__X, oh, 9600XT
[04:49] <Shadow__X> hmm
[04:49] <Shadow__X> to be honest nvidia is the easiest to setup
[04:49] <f4hy> I understand that, on this computer here I have an nvidia card
[04:50] <f4hy> but in the box running myth it is ati
[04:50] <f4hy> mythbuntu can not only support nvidia.
[04:52] <Shadow__X> no it doesnt
[04:52] <Shadow__X> but for best results
[04:52] <Shadow__X> do mplayer file -vo x11
[04:52] <Shadow__X> that should work good
[04:53] <f4hy> alright great thanks ill give that a shot
[04:53] <Shadow__X> mhmh
[04:56] <f4hy> Shadow__X, didn't make a difference
[04:56] <Shadow__X> how do you know the recording doesnt suck
[04:57] <f4hy> Shadow__X, no the file is copied over onto the samba share, I am not trying to do anything from a TV
[04:57] <Shadow__X> hmm
[04:57] <f4hy> Shadow__X, I just cant get regular video playback
[04:57] <Shadow__X> so vlc plays it no issue
[04:57] <Shadow__X> ?
[04:57] <f4hy> Shadow__X, the files play with vlc 'filename'
[04:57] <f4hy> yes
[04:57] <f4hy> but mplayer from the command line does not work
[04:57] <Shadow__X> what does it do
[04:58] <f4hy> it acts like it is playing, gives a progress bar on the command line
[04:58] <Shadow__X> hmm
[04:58] <Shadow__X> does it play using totem
[04:58] <f4hy> like the correct out put you would get if it worked, just no video
[04:59] <Shadow__X> did you do the command the way i said
[04:59] <f4hy> yes with the -vo -x11
[04:59] <f4hy> the machine is running in the other room, I suppose I should set it so I can VNC to it so I may trouble shoot without leaving the room
[04:59] <Shadow__X> try -vo x11
[05:00] <f4hy> alright ill go try that
[05:08] <f4hy> Shadow__X, that works
[05:08] <f4hy> -vo x11
[05:08] <f4hy> thats displayed it
[05:10] <f4hy> so for video file play back I can just edit the command mythbutu uses and tack on -vo x11 right?
[05:11] <Shadow__X> well in mythtv you can tell it to use x11
[05:11] <Shadow__X> what cpu do you have
[05:11] <Shadow__X> and does your tv tuner have a mpeg encoder
[05:11] <f4hy> AMD 2600+
[05:11] <f4hy> the tuner does not have an encoder I dont think
[05:11] <Shadow__X> heh
[05:12] <Shadow__X> to be honest if you use it that way
[05:12] <Shadow__X> your comp is going to be taxed just watching tv
[05:12] <Shadow__X> the tuner is going to use cpu
[05:12] <Shadow__X> and so is actually watching something
[05:12] <Shadow__X> but if you want to try it go ahead
[05:12] <Shadow__X> its on the front end setup
[05:12] <f4hy> thats fine, its not like that box will be doing anything else
[05:12] <Shadow__X> by taxed i mean it might not beable to keep up
[05:13] <Shadow__X> and that would be fixed by just using an nvidia card
[05:13] <f4hy> or getting the ATI card to work
[05:13] <Shadow__X> again
[05:13] <Shadow__X> as i said earlier
[05:13] <Shadow__X> thats a ati driver issue
[05:13] <Shadow__X> lol
[05:14] <Shadow__X> just dont listen to me and put on your dunce cap
[05:14] <f4hy> well, i have wrestled with ATI drivers in the past
[05:14] <Shadow__X> i have an ati card
[05:14] <Shadow__X> i am using the new drivers
[05:14] <Shadow__X> there is a bug in them
[05:14] <Shadow__X> unless your a ati dev than you can fix it
[05:14] <Shadow__X> using x11 is bypassing the issue by using your cpu
[05:14] <f4hy> well 2 years ago I used ATI for everything
[05:14] <Shadow__X> not a good solution
[05:14] <Shadow__X> things have changed
[05:14] <f4hy> right, I dont want to do the x11 bypassing if i dont have to
[05:15] <f4hy> well I can just use the drivers from 2 years ago then, why not?
[05:15] <Shadow__X> well unless you find something else
[05:15] <Shadow__X> you have to
[05:15] <Shadow__X> i dont know whta they supported
[05:15] <f4hy> not if I have a copy of those older drivers
[05:15] <Shadow__X> i have xv working on my card
[05:15] <Shadow__X> its a x1400 but
[05:15] <Shadow__X> i get screen corruption in mythtv and in wine
[05:15] <Shadow__X> :D
[05:15] <Shadow__X> thanks ati
[05:16] <f4hy> well i ran things just fine on that card 2 years ago, I am just resurecting that machine to become a media box
[05:16] <f4hy> but the card in there was able to do beryl and such, which needs composite
[05:16] <Shadow__X> did you ever watch videos
[05:16] <f4hy> ya, it could do anything
[05:16] <Shadow__X> that used xgl
[05:16] <Shadow__X> thats different
[05:17] <f4hy> it was able to watch DVDs etc
[05:17] <Shadow__X> i used to do beryl as well
[05:17] <Shadow__X> again
[05:17] <Shadow__X> xgl
[05:17] <f4hy> how are videos different?
[05:17] <f4hy> which also played fine on it...
[05:17] <f4hy> what is this xv?
[05:17] <Shadow__X> xgl is diff then aiglx
[05:17] <f4hy> oh so it needs aiglx
[05:18] <f4hy> yes that has always been a problem with the ATI drivers
[05:18] <f4hy> myth requires aiglx??
[05:19] <Shadow__X> myth requires a cpu and a vid card
[05:20] <Shadow__X> linux requires somewhat decent drivers
[05:20] <Shadow__X> which is your issue
[05:20] <f4hy> well you just explained how video playback and everything should be fine with GLX so then why is ati drivers a problem
[05:20] <Shadow__X> no
[05:20] <Shadow__X> i said you had beryl and all that working on xgl
[05:20] <Shadow__X> i used to do that as well
[05:21] <Shadow__X> the new ati drivers support aiglx
[05:21] <f4hy> well i was able to play videos
[05:21] <Shadow__X> and compiz fusion
[05:21] <Shadow__X> but there are bugs in them
[05:21] <Shadow__X> and it doesnt support older hardware well
[05:21] <f4hy> well why not just disable AIGLX?
[05:21] <Shadow__X> or just the open source drivers
[05:21] <Shadow__X> or buy nvidia
[05:21] <Shadow__X> to be honest spending 30 bucks would take all your issues away in 4 minutes
[05:22] <f4hy> well if i were to use 2 year old closed source drivers, when I did not have those issues and was able to play video just fine...
[05:22] <f4hy> well I am not going to spend $30
[05:22] <Shadow__X> then have fun
[05:22] <Shadow__X> let me know if you find a suitable solution other than using x11
[05:23] <f4hy> I will, I just wanted to know exactly what the issue is. What is the issue with the ATI drivers that prevents this from working. You never told me what xv is
[05:23] <f4hy> and how does the aiglx bug relate to mythbuntu?
[05:23] <Shadow__X> the bug causes screen corruption
[05:24] <Shadow__X> look up xV
[05:24] <Shadow__X> x video extension
[05:24] <Shadow__X> it uses hardware instead of software
[05:25] <Shadow__X> using x11 uses cpu
[05:27] <f4hy> well thanks for all your help
[05:27] <Shadow__X> mhm
[15:11] <marl> hi folks, im trying to get mythtv to play back some .avi videos that i hav downlaoded, i can play them fine with vlc on windoz, but all i can get from mythtv frontend is the audio, can anyone point me in the rite direction to start trying to diagnose the problem?
[15:13] <marl> or is there a way to transfer all the codecs i hav on my windoz machines to mythtv video?
[15:21] <NTolerance> marl: you probably need w32codecs and assorted gstreamer packages
[15:22] <NTolerance> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[15:24] <NTolerance> also, try to play any files using totem, it will prompt you to download and install certain codecs automatically
[15:24] <marl> ok thanks :)
[15:24] <NTolerance> np
[15:27] <marl> lol, typical, kids just starting watching a recoding, will hav to wait till they hav finished that be4 testing :(
[15:32] <marl> anyone know if there is a way to get mythfront end to run uncer windoz? to allow playback of live tv?
[15:34] <marl> i know there is a couple of win32 frontends, but only one with livetv and is experimental, was wandering if there was a cygwin option or something?
[15:34] <jphillip> marl the mythtv player has a version that does livetv
[15:35] <jphillip> I haven't checked the native windows frontend recently, but its supposidly in reasonably good shape now
[15:37] <marl> what is the native windos frontend called?
[15:37] <marl> the mythtv player says that using livetv, may hang the mythbackend, anyone comment on this happening?
[15:39] <sabhain> isn't there something called MythWin?  Might want to google it .. I think it was a sourceforge project
[16:04] <sshirley> Hi all. This is mostly a general Linux question but related to MythTV. Occasionally during certain operations in MyhTV (pressing 'next song' a number of times in MythMusic, or stopping a slideshow in MythGallery, etc)., MythTV will totally crash. Mind you, all these actions are performed with the remote control, so that might have something to do with it (as the service fails to start yet it still functions). Is there anywhere on
[17:43] <marl> ok, totem will play my .avi files from the ubuntu desktop, but mythtv frotnend will only play the audio (it is set to use mplayer at present) is there a way to get mplayer to use the codecs that totem has, or is it easier to set totem as the video playback program within mythtv?
[17:50] <Shadow__X> marl try playing the files in mplayer
[17:51] <Shadow__X> you might want to install gstreamer plutins
[17:56] <marl> mplayer says, error opening/initalising the selected video_out (-vo) device
[17:57] <marl> which gstreamer plug set should i install if i search i get about20-30 packages
[17:57] <marl> gstreamer0.10-plugins-base is already installed
[17:57] <Shadow__X> ah so your issue isnt with codecs
[17:58] <Shadow__X> what video card do you have
[17:58] <marl> an ati card
[17:58] <Shadow__X> heh
[17:58] <Shadow__X> of course
[17:58] <Shadow__X> what version ati card do you have
[17:58] <marl> had problems originally with mythfrontend, but got them sorted
[17:58] <Shadow__X> what problems
[17:59] <marl> VERY bad live tv playback about 1 frame a sec, and same with recorded playback
[17:59] <Shadow__X> ah
[17:59] <marl> installed the ati bin drivers, and that sorted the problem
[17:59] <Shadow__X> what version video card do you have
[17:59] <marl> now live tv and recording playback is fine
[18:00] <Shadow__X> then if you told mplayer to play files
[18:00] <Shadow__X> tell it to use x11 ace
[18:00] <marl> how do i do that?
[18:00] <marl> setup/player settings?
[18:00] <Shadow__X> where did you tell it to use mplayer
[18:01] <marl> its the default entery in mythfrontend, setup/player settings, default video player
[18:01] <Shadow__X> didnt you say you set it up to use mplayer
[18:01] <Shadow__X> so your saying when you try and play it in mythtv front end it doesnt work
[18:02] <marl> i said it was set to use mplayer, that was the default setting that mythfrontend had after installing it
[18:02] <marl> yup
[18:02] <Shadow__X> tell it to use
[18:03] <Shadow__X> mplayer -xo x11
[18:21] <marl> -vo x11 worked thanks :)
[18:59] <tgm4883_laptop> frink_, ping
[19:54] <darthanubis> http://www.linux.com/feature/144179
[20:05] <jphillip> darthanubis we include the mythtv windows player on our cd that they mention in there
[20:06] <darthanubis> btw mythexport works now
[20:06] <darthanubis> don't ask me how or what I did?
[20:06] <jphillip> heh, I still maintain you were doing something wonky, but glad it works :)
[20:07] <darthanubis> you know, I really resent your confidence in that regard
[20:07] <darthanubis> oh yeah
[20:07] <darthanubis> :)
[20:08] <darthanubis> but I guess it had to be me:/ although I wish I knew what, so I could learn from the whole ordeal
[20:12] <Greybeard> greetings
[20:39] <Greybeard> does anyone know what happened to the trunk weekly builds?
[20:49] <foxbuntu_vm> Greybeard, I think laga is the one dealing with that, ask him for more info
[20:50] <Greybeard> ok
[20:50] <jphillip> didn't build cleanly I don't think
[20:50] <jphillip> and then he had finals
[20:50] <Greybeard> I guess I'll just have to try to build it on my machine
[21:07] <laga> Greybeard: thjere are builds for mythtv
[21:07] <laga> no mythplugins yet
[21:07] <laga> afk
[21:07] <MythbuntuGuest83> Hi all
[21:07] <MythbuntuGuest83> I wonder if anyone can help me with a sound issue? I'm new to Mythbuntu so go easy :)
[21:08] <MythbuntuGuest83> My output audio is very very low. Even if I grank the TV volume it stays at the same level. Has anyone got any pointers?
[21:09] <MythbuntuGuest83> I'm using an Nvidia mobo if that helps with intergrated sound
[21:11] <Greybeard> is "deb http://weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu-trunk/ubuntu hardy main" the right line for sources.list?
[21:12] <Greybeard> I'm not seeing any packages newer than the ones in the normal ubuntu repositories
[21:13] <NTolerance> MythbuntuGuest83: try running alsamixer in the terminal
[21:14] <Greybeard> yeah, try turning up any PCM or front or main volumes
[21:15] <MythbuntuGuest83> Thanks guys :) I turned up the volumes to 100 in the myth frontend. Do I need to go into the linux and do the same?
[21:33] <Greybeard> I may not be interpreting the repositories correctly, but it seems to me that http://weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu-trunk/ubuntu/dists/hardy/Release lists a bunch of empty Packages files
[21:33] <Greybeard> http://weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu/ubuntu/dists/hardy/Release clearly has packages in it OTOH
[21:40] <laga> oh, the mirrors are probably not updated for the new PPA
[21:40] <laga> wait a second
[21:41] <laga> https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu-trunk-0.22/+archive
[21:41] <laga> we added the versioning to the name of the archive to avoid upgrading issues
[21:41] <laga> ie for those who don't want to upgrade ;)
[21:45] <tgm4883_laptop> a
[21:45] <tgm4883_laptop> h
[21:45] <tgm4883_laptop> so we need to update the page then?
[21:46] <laga> we need to update the mirrors script probably, but i need to finish mythplugins first
[21:46] <laga> also, check slashdot
[21:47] <tgm4883_laptop> laga, yea I read that article
[21:47] <tgm4883_laptop> they left out native frontend support
[21:47] <laga> haha
[21:55] <Greybeard> thanks, that PPA seems to be working
[21:56] <tgm4883_laptop> speaking of, has anyone tried native windows MythTV frontend support?
[22:01] <marl> tgm4883_laptop, u talking about mythtvplayer ?
[22:01] <tgm4883_laptop> marl, no, apparently MythTV frontend can run on Windows
[22:01] <tgm4883_laptop> sec, i'll dig up the info
[22:02] <marl> now THAT i would be interested in trying
[22:05] <tgm4883_laptop> marl, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Windows_Port
[23:28] <vbman11_> how does one edit the mythtv backend options from a terminal?
[23:28] <Greybeard> which options?
[23:28] <Greybeard> command line options?
[23:28] <vbman11_> tv card
[23:29] <Greybeard> card settings are edited with mythtv-setup
[23:29] <vbman11_> yea but I want to edit them with a terminal(I'm using an ssh)
[23:30] <Greybeard> you can use the mysql command to edit the database directly
[23:30] <vbman11_> how
[23:30] <Greybeard> I don't know; I'm not that masochistic
[23:30] <vbman11_> ohh
[23:30] <vbman11_> ok
[23:30] <vbman11_> thanks anyway
[23:30] <Greybeard> you can run mythtv-setup through ssh
[23:30] <Greybeard> or any X program for that matter
[23:31] <Greybeard> or, you can run X programs in a vnc session and forward the VNC connection through SSH
[23:36] <rhpot1991> heh @ "I'm not that masochistic"
[23:40] <vbman11_> ok so what is the command to manually start the backend
[23:43] <rhpot1991> sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start (or restart if it may be running)
[23:43] <rhpot1991> restart is safer
[23:43] <rhpot1991> it will start a new one if there is no other running
[23:44] <vbman11_> thanks
[23:45] <rhpot1991> np
[23:59] <marl> anyone remond me what the script is that creates links to myth recordings with the recording name etc?


[10:02] <elacheche> o/
[14:06] <Na3iL> o/
[14:15] <elacheche> o/
[14:15] <elacheche> http://lesseverything.com/blog/four-steps-i-used-to-finally-learn-vim/
[14:20] <Na3iL> elacheche, I adore the game of VIM, without it I would be a nano user x)
[14:32] <elacheche> I don't like it that much..
[15:10] <pavlushka> o/ all
[15:10] <pavlushka> Hello elacheche Na3iL :)
[15:11] <elacheche> Hello pavlushka ! :) How are you today?
[15:11] <elacheche> pavlushka: You missed this http://lesseverything.com/blog/four-steps-i-used-to-finally-learn-vim/
[15:11] <elacheche> pavlushka: and this quiz endscreen.sysengquiz3.host/halloffame.html
[15:11] <pavlushka> elacheche:  am better :) thanks and you
[15:11] <pavlushka> really?
[15:12] <elacheche> pavlushka: 2 good links :)
[15:12] <pavlushka> threw a mail to Ubuntu Africa :)
[15:13] <pavlushka> elacheche: did I missed both?
[15:14] <elacheche> Euuh, I'll forward a mail about the quiz that I already sent to #ubuntu-tn :) The other link is just an article to read :)
[15:20] <pavlushka> ok
[15:27] <Na3iL> \o
[16:23] <elacheche> Na3iL: I wanna see your name in the hall of fame by tomorrow :p
[16:23]  * elacheche GTG.. Bye
[17:20] <MarwenDo> hi Na3iL , how r u doing ?
[18:03] <Na3iL> MarwenDo, o/
[18:03] <Na3iL> Fine ty, yourself?


[05:01] <superm1> kylem, you around possibly?
[05:01] <kylem> yo
[05:02] <kylem> just about to wander off to watch tv,what's up?
[05:02] <superm1> awesome. well i wanted to just ask you quickly if something appears to be unionfs related to you
[05:02] <kylem> ok
[05:02] <superm1> and if so, if there is anything i can do to help debug / fix it, because its holding back our mythbuntu beta disk
[05:03] <superm1> if you look at https://launchpad.net/bugs/144395, we encounter issues at the same time as pitti
[05:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144395 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "unionfs oopses for http processes" [Undecided,New]
[05:03] <superm1> but we dont get a kernel oops necessarily
[05:04] <superm1> problem is that its transient, and we'll just get a flat out hang of the process some times, an oops others, and functions others
[05:04] <kylem> hrm.
[05:04] <superm1> in an attempt to make sure it wasnt ubiquity or python-apt, i updated both on an older live cd session from before all the new unionfs stuff
[05:04] <superm1> and things appeared to work
[05:05] <kylem> yeah, it definitely looks like a unionfs bug. :(
[05:05] <kylem> sigh.
[05:06] <superm1> well anything i can do to help, just let me know.  its our last remaining issue for the disk :)
[05:06] <lifeless> is it just me, or is unionfs fragile ?
[05:06] <kylem> clearly it's just you
[05:06] <superm1> haha
[05:07] <kylem> superm1, i'll see if i can puzzle it out in the morning.
[05:07] <superm1> awesome thanks.
[05:08] <superm1> i'll be on irc throughout the day if there is anything i can do to help
[05:08] <kylem> ok
[05:11] <reya276> I got a quick question? is Gutsy going to have the 2.6.23 kernal upon release
[05:12] <kylem> no.
[05:12] <kylem> 2.6.22
[05:13] <reya276> is it possible someone can help me create a custom kernel, because I need to get a Wacom Bamboo Tablet which will only work on 2.6.23 kernel
[05:13] <reya276> no one in the regular #ubuntu channel knows how to do it
[05:14] <IntuitiveNipple> reya276: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMaintenance
[05:14] <kylem> no, i don't have time to walk you through that. there's probably a document on the wiki that will help you.
[05:15] <reya276> kylem:maybe you can answer this for me, if I connect a USB device such as the named tablet should it not stay on?
[05:15] <kylem> 'stay on'?
[05:16] <reya276> yes the Tablet has a Circle which lights up when connected to the PC and it should stay on, but for some reason Ubuntu 7.04 disconnects it
[05:17] <mjg59> Should be fixed in gutsy
[05:17] <kylem> mjg59, autosuspend?
[05:17] <mjg59> Yeah
[05:18] <reya276> I have installed and configured the driver and when I check the driver is there but when I do "more /proc/bus/usb/devices" and it list the Wacon device it says "Driver=(none)"
[05:18] <mjg59> Sounds like the driver is broken
[05:19] <reya276> really, how can I remove it and then install it again
[05:19] <reya276> because maybe it was not installed correctly
[05:19] <mjg59> reya276: This isn't really the place to ask. I'd check if the driver provides a support forum.
[05:20] <reya276> ok, thanks
[05:22] <IntuitiveNipple> Building l-r-m and getting "FGLRXExtensions.c:16:35: error: X11/extensions/record.h: No such file or directory" but libxext-dev is installed; what libraries am I missing?
[05:23] <mjg59> x11proto-xext-dev
[05:23] <IntuitiveNipple> thanks :)
[05:23] <mjg59> Oh, no, x11proto-record-dev
[05:23] <IntuitiveNipple> I was thinking I'd got to go and try each one
[05:23] <IntuitiveNipple> hmm, no x11proto-record-dev listed, let me check
[05:25] <IntuitiveNipple> well, apt-get found that one, but synaptics wasn't listing it when I was browsing... now to solve these others
[05:35] <IntuitiveNipple> Hmm, building L-R-M it stops with "Makefile.inc:66: *** /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-12-rt is missing, please set KERNELPATH. Stop." - is there a way to specify just one flavour (tried debian/rules binary generic) ?
[05:36] <IntuitiveNipple> Or, do I need to have all kernel flavours built to build L-R-M ?
[05:45] <IntuitiveNipple> OK... edited L-R-M's debian/rules and altered the flavours definitions for the ARCH (in this case x86_64), from "...,generic rt xen)" to "..,generic)"
[10:18] <Lure> any reason wy usg disk devices would not be detected if pluged during boot (it works if plugged in later)?
[10:18] <Lure> s/wy/why/
[10:28] <fabbione> Lure: events generated after all userland is started vs something discovered before userland is ready to "autodetect" / mount
[10:29] <Lure> fabbione: any way to rescan? currently I need to replug the devices
[10:29] <Lure> fabbione: also some users said it is regression compared to feusty (which I am not sure)
[10:29] <fabbione> dunno
[10:29] <fabbione> no it was in feisty too iirc
[12:37] <defcon_> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux%2Fkernel%2Fgit%2Flinville%2Fwireless-dev.git&a=search&h=rt2x00&st=commit&s=rt73 <-- why cant ubuntu use the updated driver because the old ones are flawed?
[12:37] <defcon_> im upset that ubuntu never fixed this problem
[12:37] <defcon_> ubuntu has rt73/ralink drivers that never worked properly for most people
[12:38] <defcon_> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/34902 https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/146238
[12:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146238 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Ralink Drivers do not work out of the box on Ubuntu Gutsy Beta" [Undecided,New]
[12:39] <TheMuso> defcon_: Like cjwatson said in -devel, we get the point. He assigned the bug to a more appropriate package, and badgering people about it day after day is not likely to see it fixed any quicker.
[02:23] <zul> morning
[02:26] <amitk> interesting --> http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/CFS_Development_Tree_Backported
[02:26] <zul> amitk: yeah I already opened a bug about that ;)
[02:29] <zul> not
[02:43] <soren> Is there a simple way to see the diff between the ubuntu kernel and the vanilla one on which it's based?
[02:45] <zul> gitweb?
[02:45] <soren> zul: Yes, what about it?
[02:45] <amitk> soren: git log <Linus-tag> <Ubuntu-tag>
[02:46] <amitk> erm, git log <Linus-tag>..<Ubuntu-tag>
[02:46] <soren> amitk: Ok. Which version are we based on anyway?
[02:46] <amitk> soren: <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:47] <soren> Oh, really?
[02:47] <amitk> soren: you can see the tags with 'git tag -l'
[02:47] <soren> amitk: Alright, thanks!
[02:54] <soren> amitk: I just cloned git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy.git  and did a 'git tag -l' in the resulting directory.. It lists all the 2.6.22 rc's, but not the 2.6.22.x releases?
[02:57] <rtg> soren: have you used gitk? It kind of shows the merge relationships.
[03:00] <soren> rtg: Uh, nice. didn't know about that.
[03:01] <rtg> soren: Its not too bad with a simple, almost linear tree. You should look at Linus main tree. Sometimes I get lost in all of the merge branches.
[03:01] <soren> Hm... There doesn't seem to be any delta between the vanilla kernel and ours in the lsilogic driver.. Odd. bug 140761
[03:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140761 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Ubuntu 7.10 Alpha Gust OS does not recognize a lun with non zero target id on Vmware ESX Server" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140761
[03:02] <rtg> soren: Gutsy is a superset of the vanilla kernel.
[03:04] <soren> rtg: Right. Nevertheless, the mpt* stuff in our kernel seems to be identical to the one in the vanilla kernel, which strikes me as odd considering the last comment on that bug.
[03:05] <rtg> now thats hard to believe :)
[03:07] <soren> I just (wrongly) assumed this was an lsilogic issue. It seems to affect all scsi controllers?
[03:15] <rtg> soren: That could well be. Is it a reasonable workaround to not use non-zero LUN's ?
[03:18] <soren> rtg: In vmware perhaps, but in real life I'm not so sure.
[03:18] <rtg> soren: right, they aren't exactly configurable in real life.
[03:18] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm debugging some hibernate issues; Is there a kernel-function I can call to flush the buffer-cache late in the hibernate routines to ensure printk()s get captured even when the hibernate fails (the PC freezes prior to swsusp writing any data to disk)
[03:29] <pinskian> for openswan is there any change required at the router ? or just opening a port like openvpn is enough ?
[03:42] <pinskian> solved
[04:05] <pinskian> anyone awake
[04:08] <amitk> probably busy testing Gutsy Beta
[04:09] <pinskian> ah
[08:26] <rtg> mjg59: You around? Can you give me an opinion about the patch in bug #144336 ?
[08:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144336 in linux-source-2.6.22 "ACPI acpi_scan_rsdp() breaks some PCs by not honouring ACPI specification" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144336
[08:31] <mjg59> rtg: Looks correct
[08:31] <rtg> mjg59: Thanks.  I leery of applying this patch at this point in the development cycle.
[09:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133666 in linux "please patch linux-source-2.6.22 to fix ata_piix bug" [Unknown,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133666
[09:08] <Lutin> could someone have a look at bug #129910 please ?
[09:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129910 in initramfs-tools "tty[1-6]  are active but display nothing in Gutsy" [Critical,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129910
[09:09] <kylem> ok
[09:18] <maks_> kylem: can confirm that we load fbcon in scripts/init-top/framebuffer on the debian side
[09:18] <maks_> if fb is used
[09:20] <Lutin> maks_: the issue here is that it's not in the initramfs
[09:20] <maks_> hooks/kernelextras adds it for fbcon=y usage
[09:21] <maks_> (still disclaimer of the debian side ;)
[09:22] <Lutin> maks_: yeah, but here is the point :) in ubuntu the scripts for any *fb) module. which can't be found, as the framebuffer is not a module in gutsy :)
[09:22] <mjg59> Because somebody changed the config for no obvious reason
[09:23] <mjg59> BenC: I thought you were changing that back? :)


[07:01] <_tomas> thank you all guys
[07:01] <_tomas> i gotta play with some speech recognition :)
[07:01] <_tomas> take care
[07:01] <_tomas> bye
[07:01] <NRG88> bye :)
[07:02] <NRG88> i tried to unmount them, and mount them again, but they don't appear
[07:06] <derekS> can anyone help me make it so postfix delivers mail to me?
[07:13] <maverick> does kubuntu
[07:14] <maverick> find usb
[07:14] <maverick> harddrives
[07:14] <maverick> auto?
[07:16] <finite9> Hi everyone!  Can someone give tips on howto watch DVDs??  I installed libdvdread3, then libdvdcss2 and I have vlc 0.8.4 on Breezy Kubuntu, but as soon as I try to enter disc source as /dev/hdc or /media/cdrom then vlc reads disc for 2s then dies!!??  What am I doing wrong?
[07:22] <braddoro> can anyone suggest an email client that works from the command line as well as from X and uses the same email store?
[07:22] <braddoro> i want to be able to ssh into my machine from work and get the email but at home I want to be able to use the kde desktop
[07:24] <_w0lf> what does it take to get kubuntu to either recognice the modem or allow you to use Kppp
[07:31] <bushito> !ati
[07:31] <ubotu> methinks ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[07:41] <Synchro> Hi everyone.  I am a real newbie to this whole linux thing, and have just installed Kubuntu on my upstairs computer.  I want to network it to my downstairs computer and I'm using a Netgear WG111T adapter to connect to my downstairs computers router (Netgear DG834GT).  I have the adapter detected and have got the drivers, and it will find my network name, but then stays at 0 signal strength. ...
[07:41] <Synchro> ...I was just wondering if there was anything I might need to config that might be causing it, and if anyone has any tips on getting good connectivity - before I go out and spend 60 on a repeater or something.  Thanks!
[07:52] <HeavyDc223> has any1 in here gotten a modem to work with kubuntu 5.10?
[07:54] <tsdgeos> HeavyDc223: softmodem or real modem?
[07:54] <dark_suic> !easyubuntu
[07:54] <ubotu> easyubuntu is an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more. It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesn't change any settings by default. http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ or #easyubuntu
[07:55] <HeavyDc223> real modem, US Robotics 5610, it works in Fedora, USR even has linux drivers
[07:55] <maverick> anyone know  how to
[07:56] <HeavyDc223> they're in a rpm, tho, & kubuntu doesn't handle rpms
[07:56] <tsdgeos> HeavyDc223: don't know drivers for a real modem
[07:56] <tsdgeos> just kppp and bedone
[07:56] <maverick> to get a usb hardrrive work on kubuntu?
[07:57] <HeavyDc223> I've tried kppp, and it says modem busy\
[08:01] <HeavyDc223> I've never gotten any distro but Red Hat to recognize a modem
[08:05] <leafw> any clues on how to install a .deb package manually ?
[08:05] <jpatrick> leafw: sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[08:05] <leafw> jpatrick : thank you
[08:06] <leafw> the manual for dpkg, though, doesn't make it very clear that -i is for installing
[08:06] <leafw> never mind ... thanks
[08:06] <HeavyDc223> can an rpm be converted to a .deb?
[08:06] <leafw> yes
[08:06] <leafw> use 'alien'
[08:06] <jpatrick> !alien
[08:06] <ubotu> alien is probably a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/
[08:07] <HeavyDc223> maybe I can use that to get my modem drivers to work
[08:08] <HeavyDc223> get them out of the rpm, and install them in kubuntu
[08:17] <SirKillalot> how do I set the sound recording system on kde?
[08:17] <SirKillalot> I cannot use my mic anymore
[08:17] <SirKillalot> /dev/dsp is always in use or something
[08:17] <SirKillalot> or my soundserver is configured wrong, I dont have a clue...
[08:38] <Massimo91> salve a tutti
[08:39] <jpatrick> Tm_T: ping
[08:39] <Tm_T> yes?
[08:39] <jpatrick> ^^
[08:39] <Tm_T> ... =)
[08:39] <Tm_T> Massimo91: ciao a tutti
[08:40] <Massimo91> there is anyone who speak italian?
[08:40] <Tm_T> hope not
[08:40] <Tm_T> !it
[08:40] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[08:40] <Massimo91> thnx
[08:40] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[08:40] <Massimo91> bye
[08:40] <jpatrick> Tm_T: hehe
[08:42] <divansantana> hello can someone help me im having such trouble with printing on kubuntu breezy kde3.5.1
[08:46] <divansantana> hello can someone help me im having such trouble with printing on kubuntu breezy kde3.5.1
[08:47] <jpatrick> divansantana: what printing trouble?
[08:47] <xtreme> wich printer
[08:49] <elvirolo> hi all
[08:50] <divansantana> hp desktjet 640C via USB or lp0, any ideas? Sits in job queue and just stops :(
[08:51] <xtreme> a
[08:51] <elvirolo> i've got two boxes on a wlan here : a debian sid machine and a kubuntu breezy one ... i've set up NFS (via the KDE interface) on the debian machine in order to share files on the second one ... but when i click on "remote machines" on the ubuntu machine, konqueror crashes
[08:51] <cslater> Hey everyone - wanted to let you know I added Kubuntu support to instalinux.com today
[08:52] <xtreme> sry no idea
[08:52] <cslater> If anyone wants to play I also have a blank Virtual Machine at www.instalinux.com/InstalinuxVM.zip
[08:52] <cslater> Just save the install image in the directory as instalinux.iso
[08:52] <cslater> Any feedback on Kubuntu installer would be very welcome
[08:52] <Nomad411> divansantana: CUPS issues probably.. I gave up trying with mine, for a while, or I was headed for the mad house.. :)
[08:54] <divansantana>  What is with CUPS!?Why is it completely a pain since kde3.5.1? There mus b someway to fix it.Causing huge problems not being able to print. Any ideas?
[08:54] <unholy> I have downloaded the kubuntu iso. How do I burn it in k3b so that it is bootable?
[08:54] <cslater> I just do a command line cdrecord...
[08:54] <Nomad411> unholy: Burn Image, middle of the menu somwehere
[08:54] <elvirolo> unholy: just burn it as an normal iso image
[08:55] <elvirolo> can anyone help me?
[08:55] <unholy> cool, thanks Nomad411 / elvirolo.
[08:55] <unholy> elvirolo: whats the problem? I just logged in.
[08:55] <cslater> elvirolo - maybe try command line nfs mount first?
[08:55] <Nomad411> elvirolo: Strange, for me, Konqueror crashes when I sneeze.. :(
[08:56] <elvirolo> lol
[08:56] <elvirolo> cslater: ah ... I must RTF for that first :)
[08:56] <elvirolo> unholy:  i've got two boxes on a wlan here : a debian sid machine and a kubuntu breezy one ... i've set up NFS (via the KDE interface) on the debian machine in order to share files on the second one ... but when i click on "remote machines" on the ubuntu machine, konqueror crashes
[08:57] <unholy> oh dear.
[08:57] <cslater> should be just mkdir /tmp/test; mount server:/nfs_dir /tmp/test
[08:57] <cslater> I think
[08:57] <elvirolo> ok thanks
[08:57] <elvirolo> brb
[08:57] <cslater> just be sure you're root
[09:00] <mars> Hi
[09:00] <mars> how can i change my x server to x.org ?
[09:00] <jpatrick> mars: it is in Kubuntu
[09:00] <mars> where?
[09:00] <jpatrick> the default is Xorg
[09:01] <mars> really?
[09:01] <jpatrick> yes....
[09:16] <Xtender_> hi
[09:24] <humboldt> how can I add a max osx printer to my linux box or why does the CUPS way not work?
[09:29] <dark_suic> it's mysql 5 installable from any kubuntu repo (without accesing debian ones?)
[09:32] <cslater> seeing something in a forum about it being on a dapper repo
[09:36] <Muzzle> I have a file called image which I want to rename to image.png. How do I do that in the command line?
[09:36] <Muzzle> rename ??
[09:36] <cslater> mv
[09:43] <asraniel> hi. any idea why all the videos i watch under kubuntu stock?
[09:44] <trappist> why they... stock?
[09:45] <asraniel> trappist: well, lag, dont know, every 2 secs there is a stop of.. 0.3 sec
[09:58] <Knowerrors> To anyone who is using kde 3.5.1, how can you configure the Storage Media notifications autoaction to simply mount any removeable media, without opening a new Konq window?
[09:58] <stefano> hey, how can i run a command when Konversation connects to a server? (i want to auth myself at quakenet)
[10:00] <Knowerrors> stefano: edit server list, click on the network, edit, click on the server name, edit, then input your username and pass
[10:01] <stefano> i'll have a try, thank you
[10:01] <stefano> there's nothing like that
[10:02] <stefano> once there is the server password, and then "automatic identification" (or similar, i got a localized version).
[10:03] <Xtender_> do i run nessusd and nessus on the same computer?
[10:03] <Xtender_> or can i?
[10:05] <Xtender_> 23
[10:06] <Knowerrors> stefano: server password is what you want...
[10:06] <stefano> what do you mean?
[10:08] <Knowerrors> to auto identify
[10:08] <Rayaken> hello, i got some problem with my ati 9200 and kubuntu 5.10. "normal" 2D mode is working but i can't get 3D hardware accel to work. tried the radeon and the fglrx driver. can someone help me?
[10:08] <stefano> Knowerrors: well, i registed myself at quakenet, i got a password. what should i enter in the Service-field?
[10:08] <ubijtsa> Rayaken: try the ati driver?
[10:09] <SbCl3> hi, I just upgraded to kde 3.5.1. I'm having one problem, I can't change the keyboard layout to dvorak, which is what it was before. At the login screen dvorak is being used, but after I log in kde uses the qwerty layout. I went in to kcontrol to change it but everything was blank. my xorg file has not been touched
[10:09] <Rayaken> tried it and they didnt work. i took the latest drivers the screen just freezes (black). nothing goes. nothing in the logs
[10:09] <ubijtsa> SbCl3: I have same problem, it is known by developers and they are working on fixing it
[10:09] <Rayaken> no problem when loading the module
[10:09] <Knowerrors> stefano: you mean the server field? put the quakenet server name
[10:10] <stefano> no
[10:10] <Knowerrors> I don't have any service field on my konversation
[10:10] <stefano> at the Automati identification (or similar) area, there are two field. one says Service, and the other one says password
[10:10] <Rayaken> http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/ATI/fglrx tried that link. no problem with building. but the driver ain't working with 3d enabled.
[10:10] <ubijtsa> Rayaken: I use a 9200SE and that works fine..
[10:11] <SbCl3> ubijtsa: in the mean time, how do i fix it? i can't type with qwerty
[10:11] <Rayaken> what chipset does your mainboard have?
[10:11] <ubijtsa> SbCl3: one moment
[10:11] <Rayaken> i got kt400
[10:11] <Knowerrors> stefano: I think you put the server name there, like irc.freenode.net
[10:11] <ubijtsa> SbCl3: setxkbmap -option 'ctrl:nocaps' -option 'compose:ralt,rwin,menu' -option 'altwin:super_win' -option 'grp_led:caps' -option 'grp:shift_toggle' 'dvorak,ru'
[10:11] <stefano> well, no. its in the server-preferences
[10:12] <SbCl3> ru?
[10:12] <ubijtsa> SbCl3: leave off the 'ru' part if you don't need it ;)
[10:12] <SbCl3> ;)
[10:12] <ubijtsa> SbCl3: I tinker with cyrillic from time to time ;)
[10:13] <ubijtsa> Rayaken: I was of the impression that fglrx was for the bigger cards, not the 9200
[10:13] <SbCl3> thanks, i'll run upstairs and see if it works
[10:13] <Rayaken> so , do u use the radeon driver?
[10:13] <ubijtsa> SbCl3: let me know how you get on
[10:14] <ubijtsa> Rayaken: ati.. I can mail you my xorg.conf if it'd help
[10:14] <Rayaken> yes. mihael (dot) knezevic (at) freenet (dot) de
[10:15] <ubijtsa> hmm. correction, it says radeon, but might be of use to you anyway :)
[10:15] <Rayaken> yes
[10:15] <SbCl3> ubjitsa: worked great, thanks so much
[10:15] <Rayaken> afaik if u use ati or radeon doesn't matter. it will take the right one
[10:17] <ubijtsa> SbCl3: good stuff :)
[10:17] <ubijtsa> Rayaken: mail away..
[10:17] <Rayaken> thx
[10:17] <ubijtsa> let me know when it arrives
[10:17] <Knowerrors> stefano: I don't know what you want then, I just told you how I setup auto identify for irc servers I log onto
[10:18] <Rayaken> allready here
[10:18] <stefano> well, did you notice i want to auth at quakenet, not at freenode?
[10:19] <ubijtsa> Rayaken: let me know if it helps
[10:19] <Rayaken> hmm. nothing special in the conf. i'll try it.
[10:20] <ubijtsa> you should see my xorg.conf from work.. ;)
[10:20] <stefano> Quote from Sho_: ""Auto Identify" doesn't work because it's hardcoded to use "identify" but the moronic QuakeNet services want "auth""
[10:20] <Knowerrors> stefano: yeah, then just type irc.quakenet.net, or whatever your server name is in the field
[10:20] <Knowerrors> don't know then, I tried ;)
[10:21] <trispace> stefano: just create a quickbutton (if you're using konversation) and you're done
[10:22] <Rayaken> ubijtsa2: =))) have to work with windoze at work
[10:22] <Rayaken> till then
[10:29] <NoairKiller> Anybody using kde 3.5.1, I have a couple questions
[10:34] <NoairKiller> Is there a way to enable automount in kde 3.5?
[10:38] <Rayaken> ubijtsa2: tried the device section of your conf. and i got 2d working, but no 3d
[10:38] <ubijtsa> Rayaken: hmmm
[10:38] <Rayaken> the xorg log says (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering enabled
[10:38] <Rayaken> but glxinfo says direct rendering: no
[10:39] <ubijtsa> if you have GL loaded, it should work...
[10:39] <ubijtsa> this rings a vague bell somewhere at the back of my mind...
[10:40] <ubijtsa> but I can not remember exactly how to fix it..
[10:40] <Rayaken> xdpyinfo says: number of extensions 15 and SGI-GLX, GLX and XFree86-DRI are listed
[10:40] <ubijtsa> try glxgears, and see if smooth..
[10:40] <Rayaken> somthing with mtrr?
[10:40] <Rayaken> nope. got 188 frames
[10:40] <djzn> hi!  is there a network traffic applet for KDE?
[10:40] <ubijtsa> there was some *obscure* setting somewhere to fix it..
[10:41] <Foodcoman> NoairKiller: yes, what is not automounting?  check your /etc/fstab
[10:41] <Rayaken> do i have to enable page flipping to get it working?
[10:41] <mars_> What is the best download manager?
[10:41] <NoairKiller> Foodcoman: removable media, cds/dvds/usb sticks
[10:41] <ubijtsa> maybe, but that does not ring any bells
[10:41] <spiritz> Hi, I saw off the web that you can access DAAP hosts with the daap:// kioslave; however when I type daap://whatever, konqueror will look for daap:// in google, am I missing something?
[10:42] <josesito> hey i'm having a problem when booting in kubuntu. "Fatal server error. Caught signal 11. Server Aborting. XIO Fatal error 104"
[10:42] <Foodcoman> NoairKiller: mine works by default for most of those, hrrmmmm wonder what is off on yours?
[10:44] <Rayaken> ubijtsa2: my log http://pastebin.com/543927
[10:44] <NoairKiller> Foodcoman: I know it will mount if I have open in new window as default action... but if do nothing is checked, it won't mount, unless I click on the icon
[10:44] <ubijtsa> Rayaken: I am looking at it now
[10:45] <mars_> why azureus doesent work in 5.10?
[10:45] <NoairKiller> Foodcoman: what I want is for removable media to mount, w/o konq window
[10:46] <ubijtsa> Rayaken: tried 16bpp ?
[10:46] <Rayaken> nope. i'm gonna try it. cu
[10:46] <ubijtsa> ok
[10:47] <josesito> please help?
[10:50] <Foodcoman> NoairKiller: Hrmmm. My laptop with Breezy does exactly the behavior you are asking with CD's DVD's
[10:50] <dark_suic> i have a problem since i actualiced to kde 3.5.1 with k3b. It doesn't burn cds (it burns dvds though) and gives a mkisofs error
[10:50] <dark_suic> any thought about it?
[10:52] <NoairKiller> Foodcoman: what about with usbpendrives?
[10:52] <NoairKiller> Foodcoman: you have kde 3.5 installed right?
[10:52] <visik7> anyone here using prelink ?
[10:54] <djzn> hi!  is there a network traffic applet for KDE?
[10:54] <visik7> knemo
[10:55] <Foodcoman> NoairKiller: Look at this link http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-90457.html
[10:55] <Foodcoman> NoairKiller: Yes, 3.5.0
[10:55] <djzn> visik7: thanks, ill take a loook
[10:56] <NoairKiller> Foodcoman: I already removed ivman...
[10:57] <NoairKiller> Foodcoman: do you still have it installed?
[10:59] <Foodcoman> NoairKiller: I still have it installed.
[10:59] <NoairKiller> Foodcoman: yeah, so ivman is doing the automounting for you
[11:00] <NoairKiller> that worked fine for me for cds/dvds, but would not work for usbdrives
[11:00] <Foodcoman> NoairKiller: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=KDE+automount&btnG=Google+Search
[11:01] <Foodcoman> NoairKiller: Testing USB key now.
[11:01] <Foodcoman> NoairKiller: USB key works for me.  Icon on desktop and mounted.
[11:03] <NoairKiller> hmm, ivman worked fine for usbkey in kde 3.5.0, when I upgraded to 3.5.1 it stopped working
[11:06] <NoairKiller> Foodcoman: maybe autofs will work
[11:11] <ubijtsa> right, bedtime..
[11:13] <LeeJunFan> ne1 know if dapper kubuntu can use cups yet?
[11:19] <_jon> hey im trying to run a counter-strike source server on linux, but i dont know how to open the .bin file
[11:20] <Spudly> _jon: what have you tried?
[11:20] <_jon> um
[11:20] <_jon> nothing?
[11:20] <_jon> i double clicked it
[11:20] <Spudly> _jon: have you tried simply executing it?
[11:20] <trappist> try sh file.bin
[11:20] <_jon> i just cant get it to open
[11:20] <trappist> or ./file.bin
[11:20] <Spudly> _jon: open a terminal and try:  "sh file.bin"
[11:22] <_jon> it says "cannot execute binary file"
[11:22] <Spudly> what are the perms on the file? (ls -al file.bin)
[11:22] <_jon> it is for linux i know it is i downloaded the linux ersion
[11:22] <_jon> i dont know
[11:23] <Spudly> i just gave you the command to check the perms....
[11:23] <Spudly> please turn that "I don't know" into a "Let me paste them, hang on..."
[11:23] <_jon> one sec plz
[11:24] <_jon> -rw-r--r--  1 jon jon 3513408 2006-02-07 14:21 hldsupdatetool.bin
[11:24] <Spudly> ok
[11:24] <Spudly> if you run "file file.bin", what comes back?
[11:25] <_jon> command not found.
[11:25] <Spudly> bugger
[11:25] <Spudly> ok
[11:25] <Spudly> run "head file.bin" (that will display the first 10 lines of the file)
[11:25] <trappist> ack
[11:26] <trappist> sudo apt-get install file and try again
[11:26] <_jon> ok i did that
[11:26] <Spudly> bin files have a script at the start
[11:26] <Spudly> and then the last 90% are binary data
[11:26] <trappist> Spudly: you're making assumptions about what kind of file this is :)
[11:26] <_jon> i dont understand
[11:27] <Spudly> trappist: of course, and what i'm trying to do is see if those assumptions are correct
[11:28] <Spudly> trappist: quick and easy
[11:28] <_jon> http://storefront.steampowered.com/download/hldsupdatetool.bin
[11:28] <trappist> Spudly: unless you're wrong, in which case he'll end up with a garbled terminal and be very sad
[11:28] <_jon> thats the link if you need it
[11:29] <_jon>   #U[tx
[11:29] <_jon>                  ] h%%h%hh %h(%h0%h8%h@hHhPhXh`hhhphxhhhh%
[11:29] <_jon>                                                                              hh
[11:29] <_jon> uvUu] vUU,WVS}1tRX^DPPRVhXPUu8u
[11:29] <_jon>                            1j/P       t&] ct&<ht<
[11:29] <_jon> <?t6<Vt#<vuPjvjWP<uSPEjMtUtzt80t-@80t(@80t#@tu@@9Q$S
[11:29] <trappist> like so
[11:29] <Spudly> trappist: he won't end up sad, he can close his terminal and open a new one *shrug*
[11:29] <trappist> :)
[11:29] <_jon> garbled?
[11:30] <trappist> man this is the third thing I've guessed right about in two days.  I need to go buy a lottery ticket.
[11:30] <trappist> Phazeman
[11:30] <Spudly> trappist: that's exactly what i needed to see
[11:30] <_jon> so what do i do?
[11:30] <trappist> _jon: chmod +x file.bin && ./file.bin
[11:31] <Spudly> _jon: you could try trappist's suggestion, or chmod 755 file.bin and try and exec again (./file.bin)
[11:31] <Spudly> oh, i see trappist has given away his love of apt-get :P
[11:31] <_jon> ok
[11:31] <trappist> Spudly: we learned what we wanted to know from head - I just didn't like that way of doing it :)
[11:32] <_jon> extracting steam.tar.Z...done
[11:32] <trappist> _jon: awesome
[11:32] <_jon> ...except
[11:32] <_jon> im trying to open it
[11:33] <_jon> wut do you want me to do now that i have the file extract?
[11:33] <Spudly> trappist: i'd rather screw the terminal & open a new one to solve the prob rather than compeltely re-downloading...
[11:33] <trappist> tar zxf steam.tar.Z
[11:33] <deepfriedpenguin> gghgh
[11:34] <Spudly> terminals are a dime a dozen, they have no feelings :P
[11:34] <_jon> jon@ubuntu:~$ tar zxf steam.tar.Z
[11:34] <_jon> tar: steam.tar.Z: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[11:34] <_jon> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[11:34] <_jon> tar: Child returned status 2
[11:34] <_jon> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[11:34] <_jon> jon@ubuntu:~$
[11:34] <trappist> so it didn't extract a steam.tar.Z?
[11:34] <trappist> what did it do?
[11:34] <_jon> it did
[11:34] <_jon> i see it
[11:35] <_jon> its an executable file
[11:35] <trappist> is it in the directory you're in?
[11:35] <_jon> it is in "/home/jon"
[11:35] <trappist> and does 'pwd' say /home/jon?
[11:35] <_jon> pwd?
[11:36] <trappist> it's a command.  Print Working Directory.  so you know where you are.
[11:36] <brexel> hi all :)
[11:36] <evilh> HI
[11:36] <_jon> yeah pwd says "/home/jon"\
[11:37] <brexel> ^^
[11:37] <brexel> *spam*
[11:37] <evilh> * evilh is happy cause his VNC server is working
[11:38] <brexel> :D
[11:38] <_jon> so eer what do i do?> i have the steam file
[11:38] <trappist> _jon: try clicking on it in a file browser
[11:38] <_jon> nothing happens
[11:40] <_jon> so what should i try?
[11:41] <Pyrobob> quick question.
[11:41] <Pyrobob> when I try to install deKorator I can't get it to install sucessfully
[11:42] <Pyrobob> like, I type "./configure
[11:42] <Pyrobob> "
[11:42] <Pyrobob> and it works up until checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[11:42] <_jon> am i wasting my time?
[11:42] <Pyrobob> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[11:42] <brexel> Pyrobob: you have g++ installed?
[11:43] <Pyrobob> think so
[11:43] <brexel> type g++
[11:43] <brexel> in a shell
[11:43] <Pyrobob> says command not found
[11:43] <brexel> ^^
[11:43] <brexel> install g++
[11:43] <Pyrobob> that works
[11:43] <Pyrobob> lol
[11:43] <brexel> heheh
[11:44] <_jon> after i extracted the file what do i do to it?
[11:44] <brexel> _jon: what are you trying to do?
[11:45] <_jon> run a counter-strike source server
[11:45] <_jon> mm i found a tutorial ill come back if i get stumped
[11:45] <brexel> so i guess you d/l the installer and extracted it?
[11:46] <brexel> ah ok
[11:47] <eazy> hmm, linux is eating up my ram 999 Mb used of 1012Mb (1024)
[11:49] <Pyrobob> now it works, but I type in "make" like it asks, and it says "bash: make: command not found"
[11:49] <brexel> eazy it's just file cache...use `free` to see how much it really uses
[11:50] <brexel> Pyrobob: you don't have any developerpackages installed
[11:50] <brexel> u need those to compile stuff
[11:50] <brexel> gcc, make, libc6-dev, autoconf etc
[11:50] <Pyrobob> I rad somewhere to install KDE devel
[11:50] <Pyrobob> read*
[11:51] <Pyrobob> and thats installed
[11:51] <Pyrobob> and I think gcc is installed too, I remember doing somthing with gcc...
[11:51] <Pyrobob> lemme check to see if wasn't somthing else
[11:51] <brexel> well, make is required for almost anything to compile in C or C++
[11:52] <Pyrobob> gcc is already the newest version.
[11:52] <eazy> -/+ buffers/cache: 228 Mb of  783 Mb is more true then perhaps?
[11:52] <Pyrobob> thats what it said when I tried "sudo apt-get install gcc"
[11:52] <brexel> looks more reasonable eazy
[11:52] <eazy> k...thanx! :)
[11:52] <brexel> Pyrobob: kk then go for make
[11:52] <Pyrobob> I tried make already
[11:52] <Pyrobob> said it wasn't a command or somthing
[11:52] <Pyrobob> bash: make: command not found
[11:53] <trappist> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:53] <brexel> Pyrobob: sudo apt-get install make
[11:53] <brexel> the command is called 'make;
[11:53] <brexel> make
[11:53] <trappist> no, build-essential
[11:53] <Pyrobob> ...
[11:54] <eazy> having karamba on my desktop telling me that my ram is almost all used up ....stupid thing ;)
[11:54] <trappist> brexel: build-essential is a metapackage that will install everything you need to do most of your compiling.  automake, autoconf, gcc, g++ etc.
[11:54] <brexel> i know thanks :)
[11:54] <trappist> err meant to say that to Pyrobob
[11:54] <brexel> ^^
[11:54] <brexel> np
[11:55] <Pyrobob> k I didn't know if I had to re-do "./configure"
[11:55] <Pyrobob> so I gotta wait for that to finish
[11:56] <Pyrobob> make works
[11:57] <Pyrobob> thanks guys
[11:57] <brexel> yw


[03:16] <philipballew_> if only there was a way LibreOffice would type my papers for me...
[05:00] <iheartubuntu> i updated the Game Night wiki... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/GameNights
[05:00] <iheartubuntu> feel free to add comments, change, etc
[05:01] <iheartubuntu> maybe we can whittle down the list
[05:01] <iheartubuntu> would anyone like to test "pyscrabble" with me right now? it should be available in the software center
[05:06] <MarkDude> Whats the link for the Ubuntu parties?
[05:06] <MarkDude> The Jonopalooza one?
[05:10] <iheartubuntu> Jonopalooza.com
[05:10] <iheartubuntu> :D
[05:12] <MarkDude> So its only listed in UTC
[05:12] <MarkDude> For a local event
[05:13] <MarkDude> in one timezone, that makes it rather simple to share with folks....
[05:13] <MarkDude> XD
[05:13] <pleia2> that's just because jono didn't set a timezone for the venue
[05:13] <pleia2> which is kind of weird
[05:14] <pleia2> I can fix it, sec
[05:14] <pleia2> MarkDude: fixed
[05:15] <MarkDude> Yes it said March 2, 2012 10:30 UTC
[05:15] <pleia2> Fri, 02 March 2012 10:30 - 17:00 PST
[05:15] <pleia2> :)
[05:16] <MarkDude> Good, I did not see Jono and G there before the sun rises
[05:16] <pleia2> lol
[05:16] <MarkDude> Thx pleia2 I was inviting a friend
[05:16] <MarkDude> And was like well, just a second
[05:16] <pleia2> sure
[05:19] <MarkDude> Shame it ends at like 5 tho, so it wont be the same time as G-Lug
[05:21] <MarkDude> I dont think they can make it
[05:25] <MarkDude> Hmm I forgot my LP stuff. Besides, people are more likely to show up if they dont expect to see me there :D
[05:27]  * philipballew_ would only come if MarkDude was there
[05:27] <philipballew_> aint no party like a MarkDude party
[05:27] <MarkDude> Fair enough.
[05:27] <MarkDude> lol
[05:28] <MarkDude> Jono's no slouch at parties, he is a downright role model
[05:28] <MarkDude> Did you see that Jono what people think I do picture?
[05:29] <philipballew_> yeah, I saw that. the meme seemed to nail it I think
[05:33] <MarkDude> Well, minus the what he actually does should have had some booze nearby :)
[05:34] <MarkDude> Those that did not see in on FB http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2424094/Jono%20Cm.jpg
[05:38] <iheartubuntu> PyScrabble anyone? :)
[07:05] <philipballew> Whats the proper way to upgrade kernels in debian?
[18:56] <philipballew_> still waiting on the libreoffice plugin to write papers for me. Any takers here who wanna write it for me?
[18:58] <MarkDude> philipballew_ I started using my phone to take dictation, sorta like having someone write for you
[18:59] <philipballew_> my papers on a summery of a book. Maybe if i just block quote the entire sections from the book, I'll get by.
[19:00] <philipballew_> in my writing class last year i got in trouble because every paper i was assigned I chose typing it on why Linux is the best thing ever
[19:01] <philipballew_> so i had to switch to typing all my papers to Discuss Star Wars. they didnt like that either
[19:06] <philipballew_> MarkDude, i think i should do something like that. might be easy
[19:07] <MarkDude> Well it only does a sentence or 2
[19:07] <philipballew_> im also considering bringing a typewritter to class one day to take notes on and see if anyone notices
[19:07] <MarkDude> good enough forr me thol
[19:07] <MarkDude> lol
[19:07] <MarkDude> do it
[19:07] <MarkDude> take pics
[19:08]  * MarkDude is not ready to let google fine tune my results yet
[19:09] <MarkDude> no point in fighting it tho, I have enoughaudio/video of me already on web
[19:11] <philipballew_> march first is the day.
[19:12]  * philipballew_ needs to delete all of his shufflin dancing videos on youtube now
[19:12] <philipballew_> cant have google know im a bad dancer
[19:13] <nhaines> philipballew_: Android 4.0 does infinite, realtime speech-to-text.
[19:13] <nhaines> So if you're really looking for cheap dictation....  (I think Dragon might have some Android software as well, but not sure on that.)
[19:14]  * philipballew_ has a 4 year old att go-phone.
[19:14] <philipballew_> is a brick!
[19:33] <philipballew_> actually I take that back. It usually breaks all time. Its a samsung though.there usually really sturdy
[19:42] <nhaines> I like my old Samsung phones.
[19:45] <philipballew_> there good. I used to have a sony ericcson, but it broke. and this one ife had for 3 years and still works fine.
[19:45] <philipballew_> it makes calls and texts. its all i need as i always have my laptop with me and i live at a place with free wifi everywhere
[19:47]  * MarkDude hella loves his smartphone
[19:48] <MarkDude> Had a razr 3 WITHOUT sd card up until a few weeks ago
[19:48] <MarkDude> Somehow had phones more pink than pleia2
[19:48] <MarkDude> I would break one, and friends would give me old phones- always extra pink
[19:49] <MarkDude> They are very good to have, unless you just use fruit ninja or angry birds :)
[19:51] <philipballew_> all the hipsters and hipster wannabees have iphones. they think there really cool because they have siri
[19:51] <philipballew_> someone in my math class lat week semester used seri on a math class...
[19:51] <raevol> cyanogenmod ftw
[19:51] <raevol> though i can't run it on my droid x :(
[20:03] <BotenAnna> i run miui.us
[20:03] <BotenAnna> it owns
[20:04] <BotenAnna> 420 send all your mobile phone data to Chinese spies every day :D
[20:11] <nhaines> BotenAnna: I am sad because I am downloading Windows 8 but it is very slow.
[20:11] <BotenAnna> nhaines> BotenAnna: I am sad because I am downloading Windows 8
[20:11] <BotenAnna> this seems to be the only important part
[20:13] <nhaines> BotenAnna: I intend to reinstall Ubuntu 12.04 on my secondary machine at work once beta hits tomorrow, so I can have it running Windows 8 for a day.
[20:13] <BotenAnna> tiles
[20:15] <nhaines> Also I just realized that the product key in the FAQ and the product key on the download pages are different and this angers me.
[20:21]  * MarkDude has Android. Figured I would ruin any FOSS street cred I have if I got an Iphone
[20:22] <MarkDude> Well any I may have left since I started using photoshop
[20:22] <MarkDude> Which folks tell me I am going to hell for...
[20:31] <BotenAnna> honestly like, if someone's mad about someone using photoshop they can start by using the energy instead to go make the gimp not terrible
[20:32] <BotenAnna> they can start by changing the name to something that isn't horribly ableist
[20:32] <nhaines> BotenAnna: surely you should be *able* to see past the name.
[20:32] <nhaines> See what I did there?
[20:32] <BotenAnna> :V
[20:32] <nhaines> BotenAnna: someone was upset at me the other day because I had a chance to buy Photoshop CS5 for like $37 or something but I didn't.  I don't even remember where the offer was from.
[20:33] <BotenAnna> GNU IMP would be a cool name, with an imp mascot or something
[20:33] <nhaines> BotenAnna: that's already what they have.
[20:33] <BotenAnna> maybe an imp with gnu horns
[20:33] <BotenAnna> this is already like way cooler after 1 minute of brainstorming
[20:33] <BotenAnna> we all lose with ableism~
[20:39]  * philipballew_ can get great deals like that as a information systems major in college
[20:40]  * philipballew_ doesn't take any offers
[20:41] <nhaines> I should've grabbed Office 10 when I had the chance.  But I didn't have an OS to run it on at the time.
[20:42] <philipballew_> my uncle tried to give me visual studio for free last month, but when i said "no thanks. I use vi" he said"well thats your problem" :)
[20:45] <jtatum> some people, when confronted with a problem, think, "i know, i'll use visual studio!"
 I NEVER use the name with the public
[20:54]  * MarkDude still uses GIMP tho. CS5 can do some things gimp simply CANT
[20:54] <philipballew_> gim by name means bad.
[20:54] <MarkDude> at all
[20:54] <MarkDude> Well its not a nice word to use
[20:54]  * MarkDude used to use word lame all the time
[20:54] <MarkDude> no longer do
[20:54] <philipballew_> had cs5 punning perfectly under wine last year
[20:55] <MarkDude> it offends some
[20:55] <MarkDude> well I may end up doing that
[20:55] <philipballew_> it would offend someone with a disability for sure.
[20:55] <MarkDude> I dont mind photoshop, as much as I DONT LIKE using Windows
[20:56]  * MarkDude was called gimp when he was in a wheelchair, it was mildly amusing, since what I had was temp
[20:56] <MarkDude> Cant imagine how annoying it must be to hear from some
[20:56] <philipballew_> offending asside, if i made a piece of software i would not call my software disabled. even if there  was an acronym for the word disabled.
[20:56]  * MarkDude wanted to make his own version of Ubuntu at one time
[20:57] <MarkDude> put the buttons on the correct side, and also change the gimp name to ANYTHING ELSE at all
[20:57] <MarkDude> wanted to call it Dudebuntu
[20:57] <MarkDude> :D
[20:58]  * MarkDude kids about the rest, really did want to make RTF version with just icon name change nothing else
[20:58] <philipballew_> for people with a condition such as that, which is so visible to society, it can be hard to be accepted. Its sad in some ways. What I find sad and somewhat amusing is when people try to be nice to someone in a whearchair for the sole reason of being nice that their in a chain so they go and talk to them, then they talk SLOW and LOAD to them
[21:00] <philipballew_> dont worry MarkDude im gonna make sure all official ubuntu cd's for 12,04 antecedently say Philbuntu on them
[21:02] <jyo> So did anyone manage to actually order a Raspberry Pi last night?
[21:03] <philipballew_> i trued, but was unable to
[21:03] <philipballew_> *tried
[21:03] <philipballew_> could be that the paged times out, or his card was declined
[21:03]  * philipballew_ is a poor college student
[21:03] <MarkDude> Rock it
[21:04] <MarkDude> maybe put oldskool like sticker on it- with you in circle of friends- with yourself
[21:04] <philipballew_> like the old 8.whatever cd's with the people holding hands
[21:04]  * MarkDude wants like 12 PIs ty
[21:04] <BotenAnna> 20:55 < philipballew_> it would offend someone with a disability for sure.
[21:05] <BotenAnna> i'm not disabled in any way that "lame" would apply but i'm offended by narrowminded language that equates someone with a physical disability with "bad"
[21:05] <BotenAnna> i expect more out of decent people
[21:05] <philipballew_> i dont think its bad
[21:05] <philipballew_> i agree with you BotenAnna
[21:05] <BotenAnna> right so using "lame" as a substitution for "bad" is... bad! :)
[21:06] <philipballew_> does lame have two meanings maybe?
[21:06] <philipballew_> it can be seen that way?
[21:06] <philipballew_> or it could be seen and used like some people use the term gay to mean stupid
[21:06] <BotenAnna> you can't divorce the two
[21:06] <BotenAnna> using gay to mean stupid is not approrpiate, either
[21:07] <BotenAnna> the very premise that "gay" is equivalent to "bad" is horrid
[21:07] <BotenAnna> because that's what it comes from
[21:08] <BotenAnna> there's no way to use gay as a pejorative devoid of homophobic context
[21:08] <philipballew_> its weird
[21:08] <BotenAnna> well its pretty straightforward really
[21:09] <BotenAnna> equating people's innate trates that they have no control over with "bad" is not a thing that decent people do
[21:09] <BotenAnna> so if you want to be a decent person, don't do it :)
[21:09] <philipballew_> the thought that what someones desires for sex are related to their intelligence level is sad.  Makes me wonder if they know what they really mean...
[21:13] <BotenAnna> will remember that if im ever talking to a christian that is being stubborn about ableism ;)
[21:15] <philipballew_> that verse is even in what is the new testament BotenAnna , so no Christian can claim it is anything they are not accountable for.  fyi BotenAnna
[21:16] <philipballew_> and fool, by some's logic fool means gimp, lame and gay. so therefor... not a nice thing to say
[21:17] <BotenAnna> one of the reasons im not particularly religious anymore is that there was way more time spent causing divisions between, say, christianity and LGBT/GSM people, than educating people on ableism :3
[21:18] <BotenAnna> just in retrospect now, weird priorities
[21:19] <BotenAnna> actually i have an ubuntu question
[21:19] <BotenAnna> to bring things on topic
[21:19] <philipballew_> do it!
[21:19] <BotenAnna> so i always have problems with more than one ssh key
[21:19] <BotenAnna> it only ever seems to use the first one
[21:20] <BotenAnna> how do i specify id_rsa.1 and such to be used as keys, or specify explicitly when necessary
[21:24] <BotenAnna> ok well for starters, dont ssh from another computer that doesn't have you rkeyfile lmao
[21:25] <broder> BotenAnna: you want to use -i
[21:25] <BotenAnna> broder: thanks, i ended up trying that :D
[21:25] <nhaines>
[21:34] <jyo> Could always specify IdentityFile for the host in your .ssh/config
[21:37] <philipballew_> Hey! I finished my paper!!!
[21:38] <nhaines> philipballew_: found the "write paper" command?
[21:38] <nhaines> Unity HUD will make that even faster come April.
[21:40] <philipballew_> true, nhaines It look me a long time reading man pages, but i finially found it. saved me from having to read the book
[21:50]  * MarkDude was ordained online, and is willing to perform marriages of people gay straight , whatever
[21:50] <MarkDude> I know a few real ministers or whatever their title is that do too:)
[21:50]  * MarkDude has never had luck with more than one ssh key, I think they fight it out or sumthin'.....
[21:50] <MarkDude> :D
[21:52] <philipballew_> my paper is on Early Christian history and I pray I dont misspell gentile with a word that sounds similar. Thats what happened last time...
[21:52] <nhaines> pleia2: cats.
[21:52]  * philipballew_ loves cats
[21:52] <pleia2> cats++
[21:53]  * philipballew_ has two
[21:53] <philipballew_> i always see stray ones around here and I wanna snatch one sometime and take it home with me
[21:53]  * philipballew_ is out
[22:03] <MarkDude> Cats are great. The 6 month old 10 pound kitten has really figured out how to type, hit enter, as well as open all sorts of dialogs and random pages
[22:28] <bkerensa> MarkDude: http://i.imgur.com/p5urc.png
[22:43] <MarkDude> What is that pic of bkerensa ?
[22:43] <bkerensa> MarkDude: That would be a giant candy cane man walking down the streets in Portland
[22:43] <bkerensa> :D
[22:44] <bkerensa> they are occupying the streets again
[22:44] <MarkDude> Right on
[22:44] <MarkDude> Portland does not do boring either
[22:44] <bkerensa> I'm glad they stay downtown and don't try that nonsense on the East Side
[22:44] <bkerensa> :D
[22:44] <MarkDude> CAn I expect to see this in upcoming episode of Portlandia?
[22:45] <BotenAnna> im only impressed if there is a bird on the candy cane man
[22:48] <bkerensa> MarkDude: They are occupying the Oregonian offices right now
[22:48] <bkerensa> heh
[22:49] <MarkDude> Did you see the mayor on Portlandia?
[22:50] <MarkDude> He was making some fun of himself and the city.
[22:50] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Yeah I have seen a little bit
[22:50] <MarkDude> He is rather funny. I highly doubt he would have been elected without name like sam Adams
[22:55] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Yeah... He is not running for re-election but I doubt he had a chance at being re-elected anyways and likely most of the city council will lose their seats
[22:56] <bkerensa> :D
[22:58] <MarkDude> Well, I really like how Portland in general could care less how gay he is
[22:58] <MarkDude> I mean folkks that hated his politics mostly never brought it up
[22:59] <MarkDude> Hey is that the mayor in drag? Yep (everyone goes back to what they were doing)