[19:25] <Bashing-om> BlankSpace: What ever your imgigination will allow .. It is wide open .
[19:25] <jonathan_zz> BlankSpace: read a general book on Linux commands. Everything else that is in the GUI is going to be self-evident.
[19:26] <Bashing-om> !manual | BlankSpace
[19:26] <jonathan_zz> BlankSpace: you want to learn more about linux right?
[19:26] <BlankSpace> I know basic commands
[19:26] <BlankSpace> What now?
[19:26] <BlankSpace> what do i learn now
[19:26] <jonathan_zz> what do you want to know?
[19:27] <BlankSpace> I just want to learn something interesting in computing
[19:27] <jonathan_zz> like what?
[19:27] <jonathan_zz> building a rocket navigation system, or building a web page?
[19:27] <BlankSpace> like doing ddos attacks.
[19:27] <\ni> BlankSpace, find something you want to automate. and learn bash scripting
[19:27] <jonathan_zz> learning how to use GIMP ...... aha.
[19:27] <EriC^^> :O
[19:28] <_RadioHead> what is the best to use in linux for backup?
[19:28] <hilx> .oO( muha )
[19:28] <nauticalnexus> how can one person do a ddos attack?
[19:28] <nauticalnexus> that'd be a dos attack
[19:28] <jonathan_zz> that is no general linux knowledge I will say
[19:28] <consolejazz> nauticalnexus: botnet?
[19:28] <_RadioHead> backup example data folder
[19:28] <jonathan_zz> and it has nothing to do with Ubuntu.
[19:28] <BlankSpace> yes automation.automate of like what?
[19:29] <BlankSpace> Yes I know.I want to learn to intrude into someone;s system.
[19:29] <BlankSpace> so what actually do i need to learn to do that?
[19:29] <jonathan_zz> you know.... that's really a kind of facepalm statement you konw.
[19:29] <nauticalnexus> BlankSpace: you won't find any info here. This is Ubuntu support IRC. Not "how to hack someone IRC"
[19:29] <BlankSpace> from where do i begin?
[19:29] <hilx> we don't support crime :)
[19:30] <aka> begin with HelloWorld
[19:30] <BlankSpace> helloworld?
[19:30] <\ni> BlankSpace,  well. I use simple bash scripts to mass crop images/ put a water mark
[19:30] <BlankSpace> in whichc language?
[19:30] <jonathan_zz> that's like going to an architect's office and saying "how can I create a skyscraper?"
[19:30] <ioria> _RadioHead, i use tar + ssh to transfer a folder to another pc
[19:30] <BlankSpace> how do you do that?
[19:31] <BlankSpace> I guess i'l learn bash script.
[19:31] <BlankSpace> can you share your script?
[19:31] <aka> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/"Hello,_World!"_program
[19:31] <BlankSpace> I know helloworld
[19:31] <aka> so why you ask?
[19:31] <jonathan_zz> If you want to hack.... first just start reading about exploits. Learn about stack overflow exploits, code injection exploits, and those kinds of things.
[19:32] <_RadioHead> ioria, and something that sync two folders automaticly on file/folder change?
[19:33] <jonathan_zz> I would suggest you spent at least 20 hours just READING before you go and do ANYTHING.
[19:33] <BlankSpace> do i have to be good at programming..........for doing stackoverflow exploits.
[19:33] <consolejazz> BlankSpace: try #r_netsec
[19:33] <BlankSpace> console whats that for?
[19:33] <aka> jonathan_zz: i guess he should learn network basics like tcp protocolls before exploits ;)
[19:33] <Jordan_U> BlankSpace: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide is a great guide to learning to use bash *properly* (there are a lot of guides that encourage bad practices).
[19:33] <consolejazz> BlankSpace: also, irc://irc.snoonet.org/#PenTesting
[19:33] <jonathan_zz> for creating them, yes. For using them, maybe not, but I'm not going to say much else.
[19:33] <robb_nl> another bashguide: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html
[19:33] <consolejazz> BlankSpace: i.e., you're in the wrong channel. These are other places to learn more about what you're asking about
[19:34] <jonathan_zz> aka: that will be a too long roundabout before he finds something interesting.
[19:34] <jonathan_zz> aka: you can better start with what catches your attention, and then learn how to do it.
[19:34] <BlankSpace> join #r_netsec
[19:34] <ioria> _RadioHead, well, i did my own script ... maybe give a look and adjust to your own use (but bear in mind that is home-made)  http://paste.ubuntu.com/15721774/
[19:36] <_RadioHead> ioria, thank you
[19:36] <robb_nl> jonathan_zz, ... I disagree.... knowing networking/subnetting etc is a must before doing anything.... I can recommend http://www.ipprimer.com/
[19:36] <ioria> _RadioHead, have fun
[19:36] <BlankSpace> consolejazz y you gave me ircchannel link where no one is present.
[19:37] <jonathan_zz> robb_nl: I never said he could start doing anything. If you start with exploits, you will quickly bumb into protocols, so your learning takes you there. If you start the other way around, you will never get anywhere until you have finished university.
[19:37] <consolejazz> BlankSpace: which channel?
[19:37] <consolejazz> I provided you with two.
[19:37] <robb_nl> if you _start_ with exploits, you will never grow over 'script-kiddy' stage...
[19:38] <aka> jonathan_zz: tell someone how to hack without basics maybe can produce a little or big disaster ;)
[19:38] <EriC^^> if he really likes computers he'll get over it
[19:38] <jonathan_zz> that's what he is right now, not even that. And I was not talking about ready made exploits, but the general knowledge about them. LIke what they call 101 in the states.
[19:39] <jonathan_zz> aka: reading up on general exploits is not being taught how to hack.
[19:39] <BlankSpace> what did you say jonathan what sd i begin reading first?
[19:39] <BlankSpace> i mean from where?
[19:39] <jonathan_zz> general concepts about hacking
[19:39] <jonathan_zz> anywhere
[19:39] <EriC^^> ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is fun
[19:39] <jonathan_zz> if you want to become a car mechanic, you first need to know what an engine is right? So read up on engines first.
[19:40] <aka> jonathan_zz: ...what an engine is? thats my way. ;)
[19:41] <robb_nl> EriC^^, try Telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl :)
[19:41] <EriC^^> the starwars?
[19:41] <jonathan_zz> BlankSpace: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploit_(computer_security) is an easy start, although it is a bad article and becomes very practical very soon.
[19:42] <EriC^^> robb_nl: it's pretty awesome
[19:42] <jonathan_zz> aka: no if you take the analogy, you wanted thim to learn about designing engines first ;-).
[19:42] <robb_nl> yeah
[19:42] <Jordan_U> jonathan_zz: BlankSpace: aka: This channel is not for helping people become crackers. Please take such discussion elsewhere.
[19:43] <vervet> robb_nl: I remember that, good stuff :D
[19:43] <BlankSpace> JOrdan they were just being helpful
[19:43] <nauticalnexus> robb_nl: That's still up? Awesome
[19:43]  * EriC^^ stops watching now
[19:43] <robb_nl> yes it's still up....
[19:43] <\9> !cracking
[19:43] <EriC^^> i plan to watch all the episodes some day and then watch the latest one
[19:43] <BlankSpace> I always wished to know and didnt know whom to ask.
[19:44] <jonathan_zz> don't even respond to the jealous people man ;-).
[19:44] <robb_nl> would blinkelights be considered pirated video?
[19:44] <EriC^^> robb_nl: lo
[19:44] <EriC^^> lol
[19:44] <EriC^^> i dont think so
[19:44] <vervet> i wish this still worked http://boingboing.net/2013/02/09/star-wars-easter-egg-hidden-in.html
[19:44] <jonathan_zz> just start reading wikipedia, not much else you can do. Good luck.
[19:45] <vervet> you'd think with ipv4 addresses running out... lol
[19:45] <robb_nl> here is another oldie: www.digitpress.com/videos/pongmovie.swf
[19:45] <nauticalnexus> I never watched the whole blinkenlights thing
[19:47] <EriC^^> robb_nl: lol it's hilarious
[19:48] <aka> Jordan_V: sorry bout that, it was more philosophical. I didnt really want to help him to hack
[19:48] <jiffe> alright so I'm connect via vnc through vino and I can see the desktop, nothing seems to change when I do things with the mouse/keyboard, but if I kill the connection and reopen I can see that those changes actually were made, the screen just isn't updating
[19:48] <jiffe> I tried 2 different viewers
[19:50] <Jordan_U> jiffe: What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[19:54] <jiffe> Jordan_U: 14.04
[19:57] <alkisg> jiffe: in my experience, vino is slow and not very well maintained; I prefer x11vnc
[19:58] <jiffe> alkisg: will that let me share the main display :0 ?
[19:58] <alkisg> Sure
[19:59] <ioria> jiffe, vino is working good for me with tightvncviewer
[19:59] <James123_> Any good problem solvers for nagios?
[19:59] <jiffe> well its not for me
[20:00] <jiffe> seemed like a good solution
[20:00] <jiffe> I see similar problems but they're for 12.04- and the solutions don't seem to apply
[20:01]  * alkisg is using x11vnc over ssh + xvnc4viewer for forward connections, and xvnc4viewer -listen + x11vnc for reverse connections
[20:01] <James123_> I have several versions of contacts.cfg and i think its causing issues?
[20:01] <James123_> because i get "Error: Could not read object configuration data!"
[20:01] <ioria> jiffe, fw, encryption ... stuff like that ?
[20:02] <jiffe> ioria: I turned encryption off and no fw, it connects, I can see the screen, it just doesn't update
[20:02] <jiffe> I see the mouse move, I don't know if that's client or server side
[20:03] <ioria> jiffe, both
[20:03] <FManTropyx> I finally did dist-upgrade to apply the new kernel packages and I got no message about rebooting, but should I do that anyway?
[20:03] <ioria> jiffe, it's mirroring
[20:04] <Bashing-om> FManTropyx: Yes, rebbot to load the new kernel image .
[20:05] <FManTropyx> ok, tnx
[20:06] <ioria> jiffe, but you can try x11vnc like alkisg said, iy experienced issues
[20:06] <ioria> *if
[20:06] <jiffe> guess thats what I'll have to do
[20:07]  * alkisg got vino working both with and without encryption, and it was 10 times slower than x11vnc, and never used vino again...
[20:07] <alkisg> Back in 10.04 it was ok though
[20:13] <nauticalnexus> If I upgrade to 15.10(or 16.04 when it comes out), will stuff made specifically for 14.04 work? I have a few music related things that only work on 14.04 at the moment
[20:13] <nomic> yes it should work
[20:13] <nomic> absolutely, so
[20:13] <nauticalnexus> Thank you
[20:14] <nomic> nothing really changes -- it's not like windows
[20:14] <nomic> things are built upon
[20:14] <geenie> Werewolf is cool though
[20:14] <alkisg> Except for proprietary drivers built for specific kernel versions :)
[20:14] <Myrtti> I wouldn't trust it to work
[20:15] <nauticalnexus> nomic, I thought you had to have a specific version of Ubuntu to use the stuff. That's what I've been told at least. Like that a package that could install on 14.04 can't be installed on 15.10 or so on
[20:15] <nomic> well there will be extreme points of incompatibility, if developers are trying to use the latest or "beta" drivers etc
[20:15] <Myrtti> for example Python upgrading to a higher version might cause issues.
[20:15] <alkisg> And .deb dependencies etc :)
[20:15] <Jordan_U> nauticalnexus: What "music related things" are you talking about specifically?
[20:15] <nomic> was going to ask that
[20:16] <nomic> there is python 2 vs python 3, although both are present on any recent ubuntu
[20:16] <nauticalnexus> Jordan_U, anything on kxstudio's repository. I have Cadence from there. KxStudio is based on 14.04 iirc
[20:17] <geenie> 16.02 beta is out ryt? Anyone tried?
[20:17] <Jordan_U> geenie: #ubuntu+1 for 16.04.
[20:18] <nauticalnexus> I also have Ardour from there as well
[20:19] <Mitchell92> Hello... I'm having an issue with docky. I add things to it, but then when I reboot they disappear.
[20:20] <Mitchell92> or example I dragged in XChat and something else, and I also tried opening it and right clicking and addking to dock. I reboot, it's gone
[20:22] <Jordan_U> nauticalnexus: http://kxstudio.linuxaudio.org/Repositories claims to support "14.04 and above" but you'd need to ask them to be sure.
[20:22] <andoni> hola
[20:22] <nauticalnexus> Jordan_U: thank you
[20:23] <dcz> hello guys , i accidently run dd command to /dev/sdb drive, i want to recover files from there, how can i do that ?
[20:24] <n-iCe> you can't :D
[20:25] <ioria> !info testdisk | dcz
[20:26] <Bleg> Hi guys, can anyone tell me how to mount/access a .vmdk file mounted in VMware on a Ubuntu vm? I've mounted the .vmdk as a second hard disk in VSphere but I don't know how to actually browse its contents
[20:27] <AHemlocksLie> Is there a way I can get a list of packages installed post-installation? Or maybe all those installed by a given user? I've seen a couple ways, but they include all the system packages, I think, since I know I didn't install most.
[20:27] <AHemlocksLie> I'm trying to plan a migration and basically want a list of packages I've added myself so I can reinstall them on the new system.
[20:28] <jiffe> so the gpu load on one of my amd 7970's shoots up to 66% when I connect vnc
[20:28] <hggdh> AHemlocksLie: perhaps dpkg--get-selection would help?
[20:28] <alkisg> jiffe: gpu load? do you mean cpu load?
[20:29] <hggdh> AHemlocksLie: uh.  dpkg --get-selection
[20:29] <ioria> !info aptoncd | AHemlocksLie
[20:29] <jiffe> alkisg: no gpu load
[20:29] <alkisg> jiffe: and how are you monitoring that? with what command?
[20:29] <nauticalnexus> I'm curious too
[20:29] <jiffe> alkisg: aticonfig --odgc --adapter=all
[20:30] <alkisg> Thanks, I didn't know ati had such a tool
[20:30] <nauticalnexus> neither did I
[20:30] <alkisg> What bandwidth are we talking about? localhost? gigabit? fast ethernet?
[20:30] <AHemlocksLie> hggdh: That still seems to include a lot of the extras and dependencies. I can go through it, I just figure there's probably an easy way to generate the list I don't know about
[20:31] <jiffe> yeah gigabit lan
[20:32] <hggdh> AHemlocksLie: get-selections (with no pattern) will write out all packages installed
[20:32] <hggdh> AHemlocksLie: that means what you (or an user) asked for install plus all dependencies
[20:32] <mlvmhn> can someone plz help me with my OpenVPN?
[20:33] <AHemlocksLie> hggdh: Right, I just hoped there was a way to get the list without all the extras
[20:33] <alkisg> jiffe: it doesn't sound surprising that reading the screen contents to decide the .diff to send in a gigabit connection would occupy the gpu a lot...
[20:33] <hggdh> AHemlocksLie: then, perhaps, aptoncd as suggested earlier
[20:33] <mlvmhn> OpenVPN experts?
[20:34] <jiffe> the connection is quite slow actually, it takes about 5 seconds for anything I do to actually happen
[20:34] <alkisg> jiffe: which viewer are you using?
[20:35] <AHemlocksLie> hggdh: yeah, now that I'm looking at it, it looks more helpful than I expected. Thanks for the suggestion, ioria
[20:35] <jiffe> alkisg: both tightvnc and realvnc viewers are about the same
[20:35]  * alkisg is using xvnc4viewer
[20:36] <alkisg> I can almost watch youtube video in gigabit with those
[20:38] <AHemlocksLie> Found a rather complex but effective command to get the list
[20:38] <bst1> Im having a little problem chating in a irc channel i had already registered it returns the message "cannot send message to channel"
[20:38] <AHemlocksLie> ( zcat $( ls -tr /var/log/apt/history.log*.gz ) ; cat /var/log/apt/history.log ) | egrep '^(Start-Date:|Commandline:)' | grep -v aptdaemon | egrep '^Commandline:'
[20:38] <AHemlocksLie> Lists all instances of apt-get install/remove/etc.
[20:39] <bst1> Im having a little problem chating in a irc channel i had already registered it returns the message "cannot send message to channel"
[20:39] <bst1> any help
[20:39] <alkisg> AHemlocksLie: you can also dpkg -l in both the systems, and subtract them to see the ones you installed
[20:40] <jiffe> I guess another question would be, this machine has an onboard graphics chip + 2 gpus, and when I hook up a monitor I have to use one of the gpus, is there a way to set the default display on the integrated graphics chip?
[20:41] <jiffe> I suppose that's not really an OS thing
[20:42] <AHemlocksLie> alkisg: That's a good idea, definitely would have worked without much trouble. I thought about that, but I'm still waiting on the installation, so I figured I'd get ahead of the curve
[20:48] <JazzBot> if I wanted to use the list command using two wildcards how do I do that?
[20:48] <JazzBot> need to use *sample* and *.csv
[20:50] <alkisg> JazzBot: ls *sample* *.csv
[20:50] <JazzBot> that yields the results for either or
[20:50] <alkisg> Either
[20:50] <JazzBot> I need results for both yeilding true
[20:51] <alkisg> I don't understand what you mean by that
[20:51] <alkisg> It will list all the files that match any of those patterns
[20:51] <JazzBot> That would list all TEXT files OR all files that contains SAMPLE
[20:51] <alkisg> JazzBot: did you run it to see?
[20:52] <JazzBot> I need list all files that CONTAINS SAMPLE AND is TEXT
[20:52] <JazzBot> yes I tried that, your suggestion is what I thought at first too
[20:52] <alkisg> Ah, *sample*.csv?
[20:52] <JazzBot> correct
[20:52] <alkisg> That's what you need?
[20:52] <alkisg> ok
[20:52] <alkisg> `ls *sample*.csv` then
[20:53] <alkisg> Note that if no such files exist, it will complain. You might want to use find instead of ls.
[20:53] <JazzBot> that didn't work either
[20:53] <JazzBot> and I can't use find command unfortunately
[20:53] <alkisg> find . -iname '*sample*.csv'
[20:54] <alkisg> I'm not sure I understand both what you're asking and your constrains...
[20:54] <JazzBot> How would you use the ls command to display all of the files/directories in your current directory that contain the word ‘sample’ somewhere in the name and end with ‘.csv’?
[20:54] <alkisg> ls *sample*.csv
[20:54] <\9> ls *sample*.csv
[20:55] <JazzBot> yea I'm trying that and it's not matching
[20:55] <alkisg> Is the case of your files correct? E.g. .csv instead of .CSV?
[20:56] <JazzBot> Interesting I thought file names were not case sensitive
[20:56] <thakyZ> Hey does anyone know for sure if the Xpad driver works with a Xbox One controller on Ubuntu 16.04?
[20:56] <alkisg> In Linux, they are
[20:56] <\9> the linux shell is case sensitive
[20:56] <\9> well bash shell rather
[20:56] <\9> if you want a case-insenstive match you'll need to use find
[20:56] <alkisg> That's what find -iname above was addressing, i = insensitive
[20:56] <JazzBot> This is for my unix class
[20:56] <akshay_> hm
[21:01] <JazzBot> OK cool thank you very much!
[21:01] <mitchell92> Hey all... I got a nice laptop I installed ubuntu on. It has a touch pad similar to those macbooks. I would really love it that instead of left clicking on the left and right clicking on the left, to right click I just click regularly but with two fingers. Any way to set that up?
[21:02] <AHemlocksLie> I'm in the process of formatting my external hard drive, but there's no window for it, it seems. Is there some way I can check the progress?
[21:02] <sheguo> huhu
[21:04] <AHemlocksLie> Ah, I managed to find it in gnome-disks
[21:05] <secureme> Hello, I want to secure my Ubuntu laptop before I connect to public WiFi. What must I do to make sure other users on the same network can't compromise me?
[21:05] <secureme> I have GUFW set to Incoming:Deny and Desktop Sharing is disabled, anything else?
[21:07] <sheguo> uhuuh
[21:08] <Ycarene> I'm trying to run a wine program using an updated version of gnutls in my /usr/local/lib folder, 64 bit is in x86_64-linux-gnu and 32 in i386-linux-gnu, when I use LD_PRELOAD=/usr/local/lib/$LIB/gnutls.so.28 (or LD_PRELOAD=/usr/loal/lib/$PLATFORM/gnutls.so.28) it's not expanding the variable at all, leaving it empty so it tries to load /usr/local/lib//gnutls.so.28.
[21:10] <Lusosec> whats new?
[21:10] <Jordan_U> Ycarene: Where are you settting $LIB and $PLATFORM? Is this all being done in a bash script?
[21:11] <atom_> Hi there
[21:12] <Ycarene> Jordan_U - ld.so is supposed to expand these variables on it's own.
[21:13] <octavian_> why I don't have green colors in the terminal (user@laptop:~$)?
[21:13] <wodim> Ycarene: try with \$LIB
[21:13] <k1l> octavian_: enable it in .bashrc
[21:13] <l0ll1p0p> octavian_: you have to uncomment #forcecolours from .bashrc file
[21:14] <octavian_> force_color_prompt=yes?
[21:14] <l0ll1p0p> octavian_: yes
[21:14] <l0ll1p0p> octavian_: and then restart your terminal emulator
[21:14] <Jordan_U> Ycarene: But if you are making that assignment via bash, as you've posted it, then it's bash that will first try to interpret the $LIB, and if it hasn't been set in bash's environment then it will be replaced with nothing.
[21:14] <octavian_> yeah, that worked. ty
[21:19] <jiffe> ok, so I switched my primary graphics device from my amd gpus to the onboard graphics, the ubuntu desktop doesn't want to come up anymore now, just sits in the ubuntu splash screen
[21:21] <Lusosec> ubuntu runs like shit on my dell
[21:21] <jiffe> looking at dmesg I'm seeing a bunch of vgaarb: this pci device is not a vga device at the end
[21:22] <Elektro> ciao a tutti
[21:23] <stacy-> if it is a salted password encription in phpmyadmin..how do i change it?
[21:23] <Elektro> !list
[21:23] <Lusosec> when are ubuntu phones and tablets coming out, its about time
[21:24] <k1l> Lusosec: this channel is for real ubuntu technical support. for your rantings please use your own blog.
[21:24] <varaindemian> Does ubuntu have anything other site for searching packages than http://packages.ubuntu.com ?
[21:26] <minitrue> varaindemian: I use apt-cache search
[21:26] <k1l> varaindemian: or launchpad.net
[21:26] <k1l> varaindemian: what do you need?
[21:27] <varaindemian> something related to 8086 assembler
[21:27] <dn5> is there a way to replace unity "Ubuntu Dekstop" with an image or icon?
[21:29] <varaindemian> k1l, an emulator/compiler for 8086 microprocessor
[21:30] <varaindemian> k1l, but it looks like there is nothing..
[21:30] <dbarros> hi. I started to work on a educational LAN with 20 computers. All Win7. There is an issue that I always see - the kids turn off the computer directly from the power/reset button. Then you get that message "Start Windows Normally", in black. We are changing this, implementing Ubuntu 16.04 LTS on all machines - but I'm thinking on something here... how to handle that kind of behaviour in Ubuntu?
[21:31] <seeit> hi guys when i push up on a putty sessions in ubuntu 14.04 i get ^[[A what config is incorrect that is causing this?
[21:32] <akik> seeit: if you run bash and try it again, does it work?
[21:32] <jiffe> so in /etc/X11 I see a number of xorg.conf.* files, how can I tell what is being used?  there's no file just called xorg.conf
[21:32] <seeit> yeah, ty
[21:33] <akik> seeit: sh = dash which works that way for some reason
[21:33] <k1l> varaindemian: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8555094/8086-88-emulator-for-ubuntu
[21:34] <NegativeFlare> dbarros: not sure how off the top of my head, but I know there is ways of telling acpi to shut down when the power button is pressed
[21:38] <gferg> hello
[21:39] <will> s
[21:39] <will> sup niggas
[21:39] <will> whats diggin my main bitches
[21:40] <nicomachus> ಠ_ಠ
[21:40] <nicomachus> !language | will
[21:41] <UbuntuDu1e> I downloaded and install wily, started using firefox then I found out that it's using system proxy settings ... is this normal and default setting or could something else I've installed has altered the browser's settings?
[21:41] <dbarros> NegativeFlare, I see... what I really want to achieve is that the power off button has no effect in turning off the machine --- only through the Unity interface.
[21:42] <NegativeFlare> dbarros: yeahh, see that's a problem. If you hold the button down, no matter what the machine. Its going to shut down.
[21:43] <Smashcat> Hi, anyone here had a problem installing Ubuntu on an M.2 drive alongside Windows 10? Just done an install of 15.10, and it doesn't seem to have installed to the disk (no option to boot it from efibootmgr). If Ubuntu can't be installed to an M.2 drive, then I'll get a slower SSD to put it on.
[21:43] <dbarros> NegativeFlare, no matter what you set on the bios or Uefi bios?
[21:45] <Smashcat> Haven't used Linux on desktop for around 10 years (use it on servers every day) and seems like the Linux/Windows booting issues are still as bad as ever :)
[21:45] <sine0> I am having problems with dns requests from my ubuntu installation, when i restart the browser it works immediatly
[21:48] <NegativeFlare> dbarros: as far as I know, yes. Its a hardware thing that's literally a standard. The only thing I can tell you to do, is tell the little kids to not hold the power button down.
[21:53] <marcony> hello, i have a problem.in my country some of betting sites like bet365.com is blocking.maybe somebody can help me? how i can to enter in? maybe there is something like pirat browsers?
[21:56] <sine0> marcony: it could be many reasons. maybe there are laws in your country for betting which they have to adhere to. maybe you are using an ip from a block they dont like
[21:56] <nicomachus> !vpn | marcony
[21:56] <nicomachus> but also, gambling is bad mmmkay?
[21:57] <freaj> nicomachus: nicogarrison
[21:57] <freaj> is that you!?
[21:57] <nicomachus> no...?
[21:57] <marcony> sine0, yes it hapens few days ago
[21:57] <marcony>  there are laws in your country for betting
[21:57] <jiffe> alright getting closer, so my xorg.conf is setup with default information so I can boot up and display from the onboard graphics
[21:58] <jiffe> but now amdconfig complains that there's no devices in xorg.conf
[21:58] <marcony> sine0, so it`s not posible to enter with something like pirate browser?
[21:59] <sine0> whats a pirate browser. you need a vpn like nicomachus suggested
[21:59] <freaj> nicomachus: omg sorry, it's mackey.. not garrison :(
[21:59] <sine0> virtual private network. you have to pay a small amount but i guess if your gambling that might not be an issue
[21:59] <freaj> nicomachus: (the one who says mmmkay in southpark..)
[22:00] <nicomachus> yep, that's the reference...
[22:00] <k1l> marcony: use a proxy, vpn or tor. but if its against the law in your country you should take that into account.
[22:00] <nicomachus> marcony: your question is not related to Ubuntu. perhaps try #security.
[22:00] <aman2071> So I was wondering if someone could help me with a secondary monitor problem. When I plug in a second monitor to my laptop, my main display just flickers on and off and nothing is displayed on the 2nd monitor. I have a dedicated and a discrete graphics card in my system. I do have the nvidia display driver installed. Anybody got any tips on how to troubleshoot?
[22:01] <sine0> k1l: i disagree. as long as your not hurting anyone, f8@k the government. its not like they are law abiding themselves
[22:02] <bipul> aman2071, Just check at display setting option.
[22:03] <k1l> sine0: that is your personal opinion.
[22:03] <aman2071> bipul: I can't see anything on either screen when I plug in the second monitor though.
[22:03] <sine0> sure
[22:07] <bipul> aman2071, I see, try detecting your device.
[22:26] <mrrobot_> In this world nothing is solved
[22:35] <nauticalnexus> Hi, I'm about to upgrade to 15.10 from 14.04 and I have a few questions. Is there a low latency kernel for 15.10? I use it on 14.04 and I really need it as I produce music and it's a huge help. Also is there going to be one on 16.04 when it releases?
[22:36] <nicomachus> nauticalnexus: why upgrade to 15.10? why not just wait for 16.04?
[22:37] <bazhang> !15.10
[22:37] <nauticalnexus> nicomachus: because I'm impatient.
[22:37] <nicomachus> it'll be released in like 2 weeks...
[22:37] <nicomachus> You've waited almost 2 years already.
[22:37] <ratrace> Can you even upgrade to 15.10 from 14.04? Aren't you missing unsupported 14.10 and 15.04 steps?
[22:38] <nauticalnexus> nicomachus: actually I recently got Ubuntu. Like a month ago.
[22:38] <nicomachus> ratrace: it's possible, but not as easy as normal.
[22:38] <nauticalnexus> ratrace: as far as I know yes you can.
[22:38] <k1l> nauticalnexus: then reinstall a 15.10
[22:38] <badp> if you HAVE to upgrade, upgrade straight to 16.04. I and my coworkers have been experiencing hard system freezes involving Chrome. Upgrading to 16.04 fixed it for me
[22:39] <nicomachus> yes, you can upgrade to 16.04 beta now.
[22:39] <badp> (the freezes involed 15.10)
[22:39] <nauticalnexus> Is it stable?
[22:39] <k1l> nauticalnexus: you need to upgrade to 14.10, then 15.04 then 15.10. and since 14.10 and 15.04 are dead you need to change the repos manually first like explained in !eolupgrade
[22:39] <nicomachus> runs smoothly here, but it's not officially stable.
[22:39] <ratrace> runs smoothly here too.
[22:39] <ratrace> after a few initial bumps that is :)
[22:39] <nauticalnexus> I'll install that then. How do I do that, in that case
[22:39] <k1l> if you need a working system dont use alpha/betas
[22:39] <badp> the upgrade TO 16.04 was not smooth for me, so I had to pull some wires
[22:39] <nicomachus> there have been a few repos (Chrome....) that have been troublesome. and some PPAs that don't have support yet.
[22:39] <nauticalnexus> Also is there a low latency kernel for it because that's kinda necessary
[22:40] <badp> but I upgraded pretty early in order to stop the pain, so eh
[22:40] <badp> ymmv
[22:40] <badp> I'd rather mess about with aptitude than have chrome freeze my computer to death every couple of hours
[22:40] <nicomachus> !releases | nauticalnexus check for low-latency kernels on the official release page:
[22:54] <aruns> Hi, quick question. Does Ubuntu 15.04 need to be installed on a pre-formatted partition?
[22:54] <nicomachus> 15.04 shouldn't be installed at all anymore.
[22:54] <NegativeFlare> aruns: not really
[22:54] <aruns> Why not?
[22:54] <k1l> aruns: dont install 15.04. that is already dead
[22:54] <nicomachus> !15.04
[22:54] <k1l> aruns: install 14.04 or 15.10
[22:54] <aruns> Dammit I just installed it xD
[22:54] <aruns> I mean, burned it to disc.
[22:55] <nicomachus> time to burn a supported release instead.
[22:55] <aruns> So Ubuntu 14.04 is the way to go?
[22:55] <nicomachus> or 15.10, yes
[22:55] <aruns> Oh wait, I mean Ubuntu 15.10.
[22:55] <aruns> Sorry, it's because I already have Ubuntu 14.04 :P
[22:56] <aruns> But 15.10 can automatically detect an unformatted partition?
[22:56] <k1l> aruns: the ubuntu live-desktop has a partitioning tool. and the installer can make partiitons too
[22:56] <aruns> Ah, OK.
[22:57] <aruns> k1l: So on Windows, you don't particularly need to shrink an existing volume for the new partition?
[22:57] <aruns> As I am intending on using this as a dual boot.
[22:57] <aruns> Windows 7 & Ubuntu 15.10.
[22:57] <k1l> i suggest to use the windows build in shrinking tool to do the shrinking of windows. but the ubunt partitioning tool can do that too
[22:58] <aruns> Ah, OK.
[22:59] <EriC^^> aruns: boot into windows a couple times after shrinking so it registers the changes
[22:59] <aruns> EriC^^: Ah OK, so it will then detect the unformatted partition?
[23:00] <EriC^^> yeah it will add the changes to it's stuff
[23:00] <EriC^^> dont know the specifics to be honest, it's in the wiki though
[23:01] <nicomachus> just do like me: install ubuntu alongside Windows and then never boot Windows again...
[23:05] <aruns> EriC^^: Still a lot I need to know, wish I'd done more IT-wise when I was at school :P
[23:10] <sudosuminus> root@ubuntu-studio:~# apt-add-repository ppa:sunab/kdenlive-release
[23:10] <sudosuminus> Traceback (most recent call last):
[23:10] <sudosuminus>   File "/usr/bin/apt-add-repository", line 95, in <module>
[23:10] <sudosuminus>     sp = SoftwareProperties(options=options)
[23:10] <sudosuminus>   File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/softwareproperties/SoftwareProperties.py", line 109, in __init__
[23:10] <sudosuminus>     self.reload_sourceslist()
[23:11] <calamari> I'd like my system to boot up and run a console program in the foreground, without having to log in. Is this possible with systemd? note that this is console, X is removed
[23:11] <EriC^^> sudosuminus: does sudo apt-get update work?
[23:12] <alkisg> calamari: if you put it to /etc/rc.local, I don't think you'd care about the init system then...
[23:12] <calamari> alkisg: I put it in rc.local, but nothing happened. I guess that doesn't show up on the terminal
[23:13] <alkisg> calamari: did you put it before "exit 0"?
[23:13] <calamari> it only showed me the login prompt
[23:13] <calamari> yes
[23:13] <EriC^^> it would run in the background with rc.local
[23:13] <alkisg> OK, then how about `openvt program` from rc.local...
[23:13] <calamari> I want it to run in the foreground. if possible, I would like to have the other vt's still work
[23:14] <calamari> alkisg: I'll try it, thanks!
[23:15] <EriC^^> calamari: maybe you can autologin root or another user in a tty using systemd and have it in ~/.profile if that doesn't work https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/automatic_login_to_virtual_console
[23:16] <EriC^^> something like if [ "$(tty)" == "/dev/tty1" ]; then <program>; fi
[23:16] <calamari> it didn't work, I will try your suggestion, thanks!
[23:17] <alkisg> calamari: openvt doesn't automatically switch vt unless you also specify -s or something, are you sure it's not running now on vt9?
[23:17] <alkisg> ...vt8
[23:17] <calamari> ah, maybe I was too hasty
[23:17] <calamari> I will verify that
[23:18] <manfred> Helloo
[23:18] <calamari> alkisg: it doesn't show up in ps ax, I guess it exited
[23:19] <alkisg> Its output should still be in the vt it ran
[23:19] <alkisg> Try `openvt -s bash -l &` in rc.local
[23:20] <calamari> hmm, something else may be happening, the mount didn't happen either
[23:20] <calamari> and that needs no terminal
[23:21] <calamari> alkisg: thansk for your help. looks like I need to figure out my rc.local problem then I can resume working on this terminal issue
[23:22] <braderhart> In Ubuntu 16.04 Beta 2 my external display shows as disconnected. Doesn't happen in earlier versions... can someone please help me gather the necessary information for a bug report?
[23:25] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1 braderhart for that
[23:26] <braderhart> bazhang: thanks
[23:32] <cyber> Boa Noite
[23:33] <cyber> alguém tem informações sobre o Back Box
[23:34] <k1l> cyber: backbox is not a support linux in the ubuntu channels. ask in ##linux or the backbox support
[23:35] <bazhang> !backbox
[23:39] <ubuntulgn> after doing 'sudo passwd root' and changing password . I can't log to user root, how to solve it?
[23:42] <Zren> Is there a cron.hourly/ etc in the users home dir that automatically runs all scripts inside?
[23:43] <EriC^^> Zren: no
[23:43] <EriC^^> cron for users is in /var/spool
[23:46] <Jordan_U> .
[23:47] <Jordan_U> !noroot | ubuntulgn
[23:49] <\9> ubuntulgn: don't set a root password, you're better off using sudo
[23:49] <\9> you can use 'sudo su' if you need an actual root shell
[23:50] <wodim> sudo -i
[23:53] <whitebeard> hello
[23:53] <whitebeard> Is anyone there ?
[23:53] <whitebeard> hello ?
[23:54] <seeit> no, no one is home
[23:54] <whitebeard> Right , so you are here
[23:54] <whitebeard> EHhhm Iam new On Backbox , I want to learn this distribution
[23:55] <seeit> I maybe, was around
[23:55] <whitebeard> how can do some tests
[23:55] <whitebeard> ?
[23:57] <whitebeard> i tried to make a test , but nothing is working v_v
[23:57] <whitebeard> Anyone for help ?
[23:57] <bazhang> whitebeard, backbox support i s not here
[23:58] <bazhang> !backbox | whitebeard
[23:59] <whitebeard> OKay i will try
[23:59] <whitebeard> thanks for your reply !
[23:59] <newmember> uuugh, I cant get ubuntu 15.x to start on a HS22 blade
[23:59] <newmember> when it goes to boot, the screen is just black


 Do we have a QR code scanner on UT?
 (Sticker, 512x398) https://irc.ubports.com/zZpDuj3z.webp
 @amolith, Is This u r talking about https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.tagger
 @John_athan, That is exactly what I was looking for! Thank you! I had thought we might have one in the camera or browser but I wasn't sure
 @amolith, It will be cool if browser has inbuilt qr, night mode and data saving features
[05:47] <ubptgbot> Gregory was added by: Gregory
 Which time zone does this upload happened http://system-image.ubports.com/ubports-touch/16.04/rc/
 https://t.me/techtalkrp
 It's better to link to the new OpenStore https://open-store.io/app/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.tagger
[07:30] <ubptgbot> abhinavmanoj was added by: abhinavmanoj
 @abhinavmanoj, Hi Abhinav, welcome(back?)! Check out https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started :)
 i am super excited to use the ubuntu touch but when i tried to install it shows my device is incompatible. I am using Moto G3 ( 2015 ). Is there any way to install it on my device ?
 This is the supported devices list https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 The only way is porting UT to your device
 There's some WIP to ported to Halium, a necessary first step to port it to UT https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/57
 [Edit] There's some WIP to ported it to Halium, a necessary first step to port it to UT https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/57
 @gostranger, spam
 Yeah, removed
 @gostranger you're spamming many UT groups. This is the first and last warning before being banned
 Kk
 @gostranger, You still didn't remove your spam post in the Install group
 Removing
 @gostranger, Thank you
 does Ubuntu touch system support otg?
 Yes it does
 All
 Yep, all phones support OTG
 @amolith, This is crazy timing eh @Eranuzan ?? Haha
 I just messaged Eran about this. Let us know if there is a link to feature request etc that we discussed other day or if you need someone to file it.
 @John_athan, Just updated to rc4 on fairphone
 RC comes every wednesday
 Yep but i think he asked for time
 Like wednesday, 4pm
 @wayneoutthere, yeah i guess I should really get on it instead of fiddling with the music app 😁
 @advocatux, OTG is not working on my Nexus 4. ☹
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/6X0lEvFl.png The touch is broken. I need to replace it
 @Gilmars, The necessary hardware is there, so that's a software problem
 @Gilmars, Nexus 4 Hardware does not support OTG, indeed
 @advocatux, No, it isn't
 @garrogarri, The hardware is there, see this for example https://www.androidcentral.com/android-advanced-usb-otg-nexus-4
 Nexus 4 usb port does not provide power to connected devices, thus it does not support USB OTG
 Please, read the article. You need an special cable
 @advocatux, Exactly. I need a special cable to  power it. … 😭
 wouter@ik:~/Downloads/fp2$ adb devices  … List of devices attached … GNU/Linux Device on rndis0 <IP_ADDRESS>  device
 nice new device name ...
[12:50] <ubptgbot> Michael was added by: Michael
 initail music app cover swipe  changes :  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqY_5a9u9q4
[13:19] <ubptgbot> Actura was added by: Actura
 @Eranuzan, :D
 +1
 @advocatux, I have an OTG Y Cable. It's not working on Nexus 4. I tested with my Xiaomi phone and it's working... haha
 Software problem (Nexus4)?
 @Gilmars, no
 The Nexus 4is being charged with the OTG Y, but mouse/keyboard is not working. … 😭
 What is ubports apps
 Cats
 ?
 I,m on rc4 and i see in updates, filemanager from ubports app cars
 The preinstalled fm app is indeed an older version
 Isn,t fm a core app?
 it is
 it's still a click though
 @popescu_sorin, Version bump foro xenial
 Because it was buggy before
 Update bug
 also what is "rc4" exactly?
 release candidate version 4
 https://system-image.ubports.com/16.04/rc/FP2/
 ok
 i thought we were using `2018-W28` or such for RC now
 mine it says 2018-07-11/2
 what the heck is wrong with qt scrolling
 well.... old bug
 check the milestones
 yes i know
 @dohbee, Unexpected hover events
 i was just messing in the apps scope, and it sometimes work, and sometimes not
 depending on how much pressure i put on the screen
 its a mystery
 @UniversalSuperBox, is that why the keyboard/lock screen stuff is slow too?
 The keyboard staying a couple of frames longer than it should probably isn't the same thing
 @popescu_sorin, Please only refer to the release numbers through the system settings about dialogue. As all devices have different incremental build numbers, it is hard to track which device rc has which number
 But the unified one is only visible in sstem settings
 there are 2
 in system settings -> updates, ubuntu touch version 4
 in system setttings -> about, 2018-w28
 so yeah in about it is indeed 2018-w28
 ^^
 Hmm.
 So now we have docs translations in zh_Hans... but ReadTheDocs doesn't support that language
 I must track this down
 that's not a valid language code though for gettext either, is it?
 The GNU gettext manual doesn't list any more than two- and three-letter language codes
 what is zh_Hans supposed to be?
 simplified chinese for China, Singapore and Malaysia
 Whereas zh_CN is known as mainland china
 This is the information I got from the translator
 looking at wikipedia, it seems zh_CN is the correct locale for that
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplified_Chinese_characters#Singapore_and_Malaysia
 It's a language code combined with a script code
 "same characters as mainland China"
 Okay. @njlyf2011, would it be okay if we moved your zh-hans translations into zh_CH?
 [Edit] Okay. @njlyf2011, would it be okay if we moved your zh-hans translations into zh_CN?
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplified_Chinese_characters#Web_pages … I'd say this is how we arrived at -hans
 ah, hmm. i guess that would be for the header handling though
 Well I don't really have an option for both
 I don't think RTD even supports RFC-5646 language-script codes
 yeah, no idea
 it does support zh_CN though i presume?
 Looking in the code, there's a comment that says `# Try these to test our non-2 letter language support`
 @dohbee, Yep
 seems like that's where it belongs and rtd should handle any necessary transmogrification of locale vs script codes internally
 the right way to specify the script in gettext though would be like `zh_CN@Hans`
 though i'm not sure if gettext actually rectognizes that
 Well, for now we've turned off adding of translations so we don't get into another situation like this (or we can at least see it coming)
 Which is good because each separate translation is a new project in the eyes of RTD
 sure
 and standards are great becuase so many say you should do the same thing in different ways
 Anyone here with lg d802?
 LG G2. Are you trying to port it?
 (European version)
 Yes
 That's why I'm asking but i need to start with halium first I guess
 Yep, always a good choice. https://docs.halium.org is the place to go for that
 What phone you have?
 Too many...
 But the G2 is not one of them
[15:36] <ubptgbot> Photojoe4 was added by: Photojoe4
 I should be getting a Nexus 5 today. Is it necessary (or desirable) to root it before using the UBports Installer, or does it just need to be unlocked?
 no, just unlocked bootloader
 Fantastic, can't wait to try this out...one more step to de-Apple my life....
[15:58] <ubptgbot> Jurassic410 was added by: Jurassic410
 rc
 There is a place where i can download the .img file?
 @Jurassic410, The .img of what exactly? If you mean "to install UT", you need to use the ubports-installer https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/
 @advocatux, the installer didn't work, so i'm looking for the img file to flash it manually
 @Jurassic410, If you have issues with the installation process, please join https://t.me/WelcomePlus to get help
 @advocatux, thx
 yw
 Silly question. But OnePlus One running 15.04, still has the camera zoom not working right?
[19:58] <ubptgbot> Dirod was added by: Dirod
 @AlexanderPlaza, And 16.04
 @AlexanderPlaza, I thought 15.04 was working fine, but 16.04 was not.
 Welcome all !!! Check out this to get you started! If you have any questions, feel free to ask here or in our Welcome and Install room! https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @PhoenixLandPirate, So did I. But I flashed last night a phone to 15 and the zoom function doesn’t work.
 Never had OPO on 15 only 16 which doesn't work always thought 15 never worked
 It listed as an issue on devices list
 devices.ubuntu-touch.io
[20:31] <ubptgbot> red3rg was added by: red3rg
 how to install on sony ericsson xperia arc s lt18i
 you would need to create a port for that device
 I do not really understand this
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/ is the list of currently supported devices
 each device must have a specific port built for it
 how to do it?
 have you ever built android roms from source for other devices before?
 you can follow the link under the community ports about "how to create a halium port for your device"
 but it requires lots of patience, some development skills, and that the necessary pieces (kernel source and vendor/device trees) are available from the manufacturer for your device
 from your words, I realized that I will not succeed.
 @Lakotaubp, I thought that issue was just for 16.04 issues
 Did anyone else just have to reauthenticate for Telegram, on Vivid?
 @AlexanderPlaza, No. This is the current list and as the blerb states devices will shortly move to 16.04
 But it's based on 15.04 legacy image
 @TartanSpartan, That happens to me from time to time.
 @AlexanderPlaza, There is another site that pops up ubports.devices.com where the camera issue is not mentioned.
 Which might have caused the confusion
 Please use deices.ubuntu-touch.io
 It's fine for now. I guess it won't be an issue when 16.04 lands and they can work on any back log stuff
 😊
 @Lakotaubp, https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io
 @dohbee, Thanks missed that
 Fwd from riccardovidotto: Hi everybody! I've just installed Xenial 16.04/rc on my BQ Aquaris M10 FHD and the screen still stay on portrait modi, it doesn't go on landscape mode. Anyone has this problem?
 [Edit] Please use devices.ubuntu-touch.io
 @riccardovidotto, you mean only the lock screen, or the shell and apps after unlocking?
 @dohbee, I mean shell and apps after unlocking
 and the lock rotation indicator is not in the top panel?
 @dohbee, Nope, the rotation isn't blocked
 Neither on settings
 @riccardovidotto, if you toggle it a few times does it have any effect?
 @dohbee, Nope
 @riccardovidotto, if you open the indicators and go all the way over to the far right to the system indicator (power/gear icon) does it have an option for tablet/staged or windowed/desktop mode?
 @dohbee, Yes it does, but the shell still doens't rotate
 https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/393
 I've found this issue on Github but, honestly, I can't understand the solution
 the solution was a code change. so it should already be fixed if you're running current rc
 what does the build number say in system settings exactly?
 2018-W28
 ok. i'm not sure then. please comment on that github issue that you are experiencing the problem again with that version and with your device info
 @dohbee, Ok thanks!!
 If app devs were to set up individual patreons for example, what sort of rewards would people like to see for their donations, beyond just the apps themselves?
 Or would people prefer to donate to app devs via some other method to support their developing apps?
 I think you can set up the Donate link in the open-store, so you'll get that exposure
 I would pay for apps. I am dubious about patreon but could be convinced. I think I would be turned off by restrictions i.e. Patron only access to issues or source code. Would probably enjoy a chance to vote on things, but would assume that devs need work on topics they've interested in. … Would probably enjoy idea of a suite of ap
[22:26] <ubptgbot> ps being developed. So there's some overarching theme tying apps together. The simplemobiletools.com idea might be worth looking at. It might also suit a stretch goal type idea.
 @dohbee, Maybe names in the about section of the app at a certain level
 I'd rather see a pwyw system ala ElementaryOS' AppCenter
 One thing I would see obvious value in would be tutorials based on the code produced. Something like "rodney_tool001" links this qml for the GUI with this exposed python function. A "hello world" template based on the same idea can be seen here. … Or "this code references this system call. A full list of all system calls can be se
[22:39] <ubptgbot> en here..."
[22:53] <ubptgbot> xylobol was added by: xylobol
 yo!
 quick question: … is it possible to install with multirom on the 1+1?


[10:00] <j> ion_: about yesterday it's not a gentoo bug
[10:01] <j> the current trunk does not build
[10:01] <j> is Keybuk will come today?
[13:26] <j> Keybuk: hi
[13:27] <Keybuk> hey
[13:45] <j> I'm currently using 0.3.9
[13:45] <j> and the "and" does not wrok
[13:46] <j> so I try to compile the last trunk
[13:46] <j> but it does not build
[13:47] <j> I've this error : /bin/sh: line 17: cd: upstart: No such file or directory
[13:47] <j> make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
[13:47] <j> after the install of the nih header during the make install
[13:48] <Keybuk> "and" wasn't supported in 0.3.9
[13:48] <Keybuk> it only exists in trunk, and there isn't really finished
[13:52] <j> Keybuk: when it will b finished?
[13:53] <Keybuk> that's hard to answer
[13:53] <Keybuk> the "and" support is pretty low on my list at the moment
[13:53] <j> how can it will become up?
[13:58] <Keybuk> need to solve the whole events issue, really
[14:02] <j> ok
[14:05] <Keybuk> work out what they mean
[14:05] <Keybuk> how they'll be used
[14:05] <Keybuk> where they come from
[14:05] <Keybuk> and how they'll be combined
[15:26] <Keybuk> that's the major problems with roadmaps
[15:26] <Keybuk> it prevents you from making minor releases


[15:03] <mup> Bug #1970760 opened: Space name persist at MAAS after having deleted it via the GUI <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1970760>
[21:16] <mup> Bug #1970803 opened: CLI event filters give extraneous results with more than one filter  <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1970803>
[21:19] <mup> Bug #1970803 changed: CLI event filters give extraneous results with more than one filter  <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1970803>
[21:25] <mup> Bug #1970803 opened: CLI event filters give extraneous results with more than one filter  <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1970803>