[05:30] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, what's with the tar.gz upload?
[07:01] <MadpilotPPC> hi all
[07:05] <jsgotangco> hey
[07:44] <MadpilotPPC> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/  <-- "It's alive!" ;)
[07:47] <jsgotangco> hehe
[07:48] <MadpilotPPC> looks good, too
[07:54] <ajmitch> evening all
[07:54] <ajmitch> what's new?
[07:56] <MadpilotPPC> not much here - The Fridge is running, though, which is cool Ubuntu news...
[07:56] <ajmitch> I'm sure I saw it running a week or two ago ;)
[07:56] <MadpilotPPC> heh, OK, I"m just behind the times here...
[07:57] <ajmitch> and it's still a bit bare
[07:57] <MadpilotPPC> good framework, though
[07:57] <ajmitch> http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?id=631
[07:57] <MadpilotPPC> right now it just seems like an alternate version of planet.ubuntu, though ;)
[07:58] <ajmitch> interesting link on the fridge there
[08:00] <MadpilotPPC> which one?
[08:00] <ajmitch> the impilinux announcement
[08:00] <MadpilotPPC> read that - actually having a look around the website it came from now
[08:00] <MadpilotPPC> lots of Linux stuff going on in RSA these days
[08:01] <ajmitch> yeah
[08:01] <ajmitch> sabdfl is busy down there :)
[08:01] <MadpilotPPC> yup
[08:45] <MadpilotPPC> that's cool, someone has finally combined the CC licences and the GPL: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/GPL/2.0/
[08:46] <jsgotangco> wow
[08:48] <jsgotangco> hmm that's still the GPL but human-readable
[08:48] <MadpilotPPC> exactly
[08:50] <MadpilotPPC> I'm reasonable good at parsing legal docs, but the GPL defeats me - CC is just so much easier...
[08:50] <MadpilotPPC> *reasonably, not reasonable...
[09:39] <jsgotangco> Onubalinux?
[09:47] <rob^> umm, did anyone else have to dist-update to get the new ubuntu-docs package?
[09:51] <jsgotangco> of course
[09:51] <jsgotangco> or its already seeded
[09:51] <jsgotangco> rob^, the faqguide looks really trashy in some chapters
[09:51] <rob^> it was holding it back
[09:51] <rob^> jsgotangco, which ones?
[09:51] <jsgotangco> rob^, force it :)
[09:51] <rob^> yeah I did
[09:52] <jsgotangco> rob^, some chapters don't have linkx
[09:52] <jsgotangco> items i mean
[09:52] <rob^> I think something odd is going on, all of the credits and stuff are missing too
[09:52] <jsgotangco> oh the credits are fine
[09:53] <jsgotangco> some of the entities are just not packaged yet
[09:53] <rob^> ooh ouch.. eg: Register free Dynamic DNS at .
[09:53] <rob^> wtf is up with that?
[09:53] <jsgotangco> rob^, yes see that?
[09:53] <rob^> yeah.. odd it wasn't doing that before
[09:53] <jsgotangco> my guess is that its with the entities
[09:53] <jsgotangco> which are not included yet
[09:54] <rob^> so this issue will fix itself up when jbailey includes the entities file?
[09:54] <rob^> also, on the yelp front page, the faqguide is listed as "Unofficial Ubuntu 5.10 Starter Guide
[09:54] <rob^> "
[09:54] <jsgotangco> heh i should fix it myself later
[09:58] <jsgotangco> thats easy to sort out, probably from the old omf file
[09:59] <rob^> umm, so why are the credits etc removed, I thought this page was a requirement of one of the licences
[09:59] <rob^> well, at least the revision history anyway
[10:00] <jsgotangco> they're not
[10:00] <jsgotangco> (i can see them here)
[10:01] <rob^> they are missing when I view the faqguide from the ubuntu-docs package in yelp
[10:01] <jsgotangco> hmm
[10:03] <rob^> when I view the faqguide from branch I get a few more of the missing pages back, but still no credits page, although in the xml file its clearly there
[10:05] <rob^> maybe yelp doesn't support <legalnotice> tags?
[10:39] <jsgotangco> mdke, what email is this?
[11:55] <dholbach> heya! :)
[11:55] <jsgotangco> hey dholbach
[11:55] <jsgotangco> you seem lost
[11:55] <dholbach> lost?
[11:55] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:56] <jsgotangco> what brings you to this desert wasteland
[11:56] <dholbach> haha :)
[11:56] <dholbach> is that so?
[11:57] <jsgotangco> whats up?
[11:57] <dholbach> i wanted to ask the team's advice on http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/8595
[11:57] <dholbach> it's about gnome's user-guide
[11:58] <dholbach> i'll get an update from GNOME's cvs but i daresay it won't be enough to be up to scratch concerning 2.12
[12:00] <jsgotangco> upstream isn't updated
[12:00] <jsgotangco> there is an email a few weeks ago by Shaun McCance to have the user guide updated for 2.12
[12:00] <jsgotangco> but that was a few days after 2.12 was released
[12:01] <dholbach> ok, so you'd suggest i check for updates occasionally?
[12:01] <dholbach> do you happen to know to which list he wrote it?
[12:02] <jsgotangco> gnome-doc-list itself
[12:02] <dholbach> ok
[12:02] <dholbach> jsgotangco, well-informed as always
[12:02] <dholbach> :)
[12:02] <jsgotangco> i think the desktop guide itself is updated for 2.10
[12:03] <jsgotangco> but yelp still shows it as 2.6
[12:03] <jsgotangco> obviously the omf file isn't updated
[12:03] <dholbach> ah right
[12:03] <jsgotangco> it seems i am the only one here who actually cares for yelp
[12:04] <jsgotangco> hehe
[12:04] <jsgotangco> 2005-03-08: 2.10 (Shaun McCance)
[12:04] <jsgotangco> September 2004: GNOME 2.8 Desktop User Guide V2.8
[12:04] <dholbach> they seem to have a #docs channel
[12:04] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:04] <dholbach> i just read the "User Guide needs you"
[12:05] <jsgotangco> see
[12:05] <jsgotangco> i'd love to work upstream if i had the time
[12:05] <dholbach> yeah
[12:05] <dholbach> it's a tough job
[12:05] <dholbach> and a not-so-well-rewarded one :(
[12:06] <jsgotangco> gnome docs has been neglegted really
[12:07] <dholbach> yeah, it's really sad - they formed the best desktop system, but didn't explain it :)
[12:07] <jsgotangco> if i wasn't doing anything i'd do it myself
[12:08] <jsgotangco> but it seems even opening up the doc to the wiki isn't working
[12:09] <ajmitch> hi dholbach, you've decided to visit as well? ;)
[12:09] <dholbach> yeah :)
[12:09] <jsgotangco> lots of people seem to like visiting the desert huh
[12:09] <dholbach> haha
[12:09] <ajmitch> so much good stuff in gnome
[12:10] <ajmitch> so much that probably still needs documented
[12:10] <dholbach> i wish i could help you, but i daresay my efforts better go in elsewhere
[12:10] <dholbach> users wouldnt understand me :)
[12:10] <ajmitch> dholbach: write the sysadmin guide! :)
[12:10] <jsgotangco> dholbach, right, if i did work on gnome docs, id rather work directly to gnome and leave ubuntu docs work
[12:11] <dholbach> ajmitch: man, i better get cracking on the bugs matt assigned me
[12:11] <dholbach> ajmitch: that's of more use, i suppose
[12:11] <ajmitch> dholbach: certainly
[12:11] <dholbach> :)
[12:11] <ajmitch> dholbach: want me to look at any? :)
[12:11] <dholbach> http://tinyurl.com/drk8z - http://tinyurl.com/96e4l :)
[12:12] <dholbach> but i guess this is the wrong channel to lament about that
[12:12] <ajmitch> yeah
[12:12] <ajmitch> we'll head back to -desktop & whinge there ;)
[12:15] <jsgotangco> ok i gotta go do some groceries first
[12:17] <dholbach> have fun, jerome :)
[04:07] <segfault> hi
[04:07] <segfault> my the pt_BR translation of aboutubuntu isn't in the ubuntu-docs package?
[04:17] <segfault> err, why.
[04:17] <segfault> jbailey: are you around?
[05:23] <mdke> segfault, that has not been done yet
[05:23] <mdke> only the english version is in there to my knowledge
[05:43] <jbailey> segfault: Am now.
[05:53] <mdke> jbailey, he wanted to know how you are getting on with getting the relevant translations into the distro
[05:54] <jbailey> Right now so far I'm just updating the package manually.
[05:54] <jbailey> From whatever's committed to the branch.
[05:54] <jbailey> I need to clean it up more to remove the entity errors that are there.
[05:55] <mdke> k
[05:55] <mdke> so are the translations that are uploaded already working in Breezy?
[05:55] <jbailey> Yes, except for Tunesian and Portuguese.
[05:55] <jbailey> I tested all of the others.
[05:55] <mdke> wow
[05:56] <mdke> how come the stuff isn't in /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-docs btw?
[05:57] <jbailey> I put them where the gnome stuff seemed happiest to have it for yelp.
[05:57] <mdke> ah ok
[05:57] <jbailey> If it's wrong, please let me know. =)
[05:57] <mdke> don't think it matters, was just curious
[05:58] <jbailey> But I just ripped apart a few other scrollkeeper docs, and the OMF files that were in there already generally pointed to those locations.
[05:58] <mdke> the faqguide is at usr/share/ubuntu-docs and the quicktour html is at /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-docs
[05:58] <jbailey> Part of me was thinking that I might generate the HTML files as well and still register them with doc-base.
[05:58] <mdke> ah cool
[05:58] <jbailey> Yeah.
[05:58] <jbailey> I wonder if I should move it.
[05:58] <mdke> up to you
[05:58] <mdke> by the way, i will keep updating those tarballs of translations for about-ubuntu and faqguide
[05:59] <mdke> do you want me to make some xml files manually, or do you think that script is doable?
[06:00] <jbailey> I just need the time to do it.  Do you mind doing another update?
[06:00] <jbailey> I'll ping pitti now.
[06:00] <mdke> jbailey, the latest one was last night, but we can keep doing them all the time, the key is to get the script which converts the tarballs to xml
[06:01] <mdke> jbailey, did you see my mail about that script?
[06:02] <pitti> Hi
[06:02] <jbailey> mdke: I did.
[06:02] <jbailey> Martin!
[06:02] <mdke> hi pitti
[06:03] <mdke> jbailey, great
[06:03] <jbailey> pitti: mdke has a script for exporting the rosetta stuff and reassembling the XML.
[06:03] <mdke> erm...
[06:03] <mdke> do I?
[06:03] <jbailey> mdke: Did I misunderstand the script?
[06:03] <pitti> erm, for which context?
[06:03] <jbailey> I might be confused, it happens often.
[06:03] <mdke> ok i'll start from the beginning
[06:03] <mdke> pitti, we are translating our docs in rosetta
[06:04] <mdke> we need to convert em from po->xml and then upload to breezy
[06:04] <jbailey> Ah, no script, just instructions. =)
[06:04] <mdke> jbailey, i understood you to be offering to write such a po->xml script ;)
[06:04] <jbailey> Right. =)
[06:04] <mdke> i am incapable :D
[06:04] <pitti> ah :-)
[06:04] <jbailey> That's why I was thinking of scripts.
[06:04] <jbailey> My confusion.
[06:04] <jbailey> pitti: Is there any possibility of hooking this into the langpack exports?
[06:05] <pitti> jbailey: you mean building new XML files and build -docs packages?
[06:05] <pitti> that's certainly doable
[06:05] <jbailey> Well, I don't know if it should be new -docs packages.
[06:05] <mdke> i suppose at the worst you could make ubuntu-docs-cc and get the language selector to choose them
[06:05] <jbailey> Or something added to the langpack and just rerun scrollkeeper.
[06:06] <pitti> it doesn't fit into the current concept of the language pack builder, but it could become a separate script
[06:06] <jbailey> pitti: I think the docs are generally small enough to be just generally included.
[06:06] <pitti> jbailey: yes, right, that would be possible, too
[06:06] <pitti> jbailey: right now langpack-o-matic does not have that facility, but I'll think about a reasonably general implementation
[06:07] <pitti> is this planned for breezy?
[06:07] <mdke> heh
[06:07] <mdke> what I had in mind was pulling the po's down manually, getting a script to create the xml, and uploading them to breezy either through ubuntu-docs-cc or ubuntu-docs itself
[06:08] <jbailey> pitti: Well it's a general feature that would be lovely for breezy but if not, then not.
[06:08] <mdke> if the former (ubuntu-docs-cc), we'd need the language selector involved, i think
[06:10] <jbailey> mdke: Yeah.  But since ubuntu-docs is part of the base install, I don't see why we wouldn't just include it in the langpack directly.
[06:11] <segfault> HI!
[06:11] <mdke> jbailey, i kind of assumed we couldn't do that, but if pitti can do it, then awesome
[06:11] <segfault> what happened to pt_BR translations?
[06:11] <segfault> i don't see it in ubuntu-docs
[06:11] <jbailey> mdke: pitti is *magic*
[06:11] <mdke> segfault, possibly we haven't generated the xml file yet
[06:12] <jbailey> segfault: I don't remember seeing a pt_BR on the branch.
[06:12] <mdke> exactly
[06:12] <jbailey> segfault: There was a pt.  I didn't work, and I don't know why yet.
[06:12] <segfault> we translated everything in Rosetta.
[06:12] <mdke> segfault, we haven't created the documents yet
[06:12] <mdke> give us some time :)
[06:12] <pitti> jbailey: for starters, I'd just put the "update" script into the ubuntu-docs source packages and call it if necessary
[06:12] <pitti> jbailey: once that works, I can integrate it into langpack-o-matic proper
[06:12] <pitti> what do you think about this?
[06:12] <segfault> do i need to send it to the svn repo?
[06:13] <pitti> I think that should be doable for Breezy
[06:13] <mdke> segfault, no
[06:13] <segfault> i thought you guys were getting everything from roesetta
[06:13] <mdke> segfault, we are
[06:13] <jbailey> pitti: Sure.  I can do weekly checks to see whether or not any new translations have appeared and upload them.
[06:13] <mdke> segfault, i mean "no", as in "you don't have to send it", because we'll do it
[06:13] <segfault> sure
[06:14] <segfault> how about images?
[06:14] <jbailey> pitti: And then once we've proven the scripts, move it to the langpacks?
[06:14] <mdke> segfault, we haven't got a plan for them
[06:14] <segfault> http://www.ubuntubrasil.org/docs/about-ubuntu/about-ubuntu.pt_BR.html
[06:14] <segfault> i put a preview here, with the translated image.
[06:14] <segfault> or shouldn't i translate the default ubuntu image?
[06:15] <mdke> segfault, probably not i would say
[06:15] <mdke> although that is nice
[06:15] <pitti> jbailey: yes, that's the idea
[06:15] <jbailey> Does Rosetta handle images?
[06:15] <pitti> jbailey: then we also move the documentation to the langpack debs itself?
[06:15] <mdke> jbailey, nope
[06:15] <pitti> jbailey: do do you think it's better to upload a new autogenerated ubuntu-docs?
[06:16] <jbailey> The problem with the ubuntu-docs is then you carry baggage from language that you don't care about.
[06:16] <mdke> what about the ubuntu-docs-cc idea?
[06:18] <jbailey> mdke: I just wonder if it's worth the hassle of figuring out how to install them and such when there's already a general langpack.
[06:18] <pitti> mdke: splitting is probably too heavy
[06:18] <jbailey> The only reasoan I can think of to make it a separate package is if there's people who would unisntall just that.
[06:18] <pitti> mdke: I mean, it's not worth it
[06:18] <mdke> fair play
[06:19] <mdke> stick everything in ubuntu-docs for now is my opinion then, but I don't know much about it
[06:19] <jbailey> Matthew said it, it must be right.  I'll do that ;)
[06:19] <jbailey> =)
[06:20] <jbailey> pitti: Do we have easy access to do automated uploads, or should I do them by hand for now?
[06:20] <mdke> jbailey, so if I upload tarballs of po's from rosetta, is that script for po->xml doable?
[06:20] <jbailey> I'm assuming it would pull from a bzr branch or something?
[06:20] <pitti> jbailey: right now I do it as a special language pack user, which has its own GPG key
[06:21] <jbailey> mdke: It looks like a doable thing from the commands you gave.
[06:21] <pitti> jbailey: so I can upload 400 packages at once without typing my passphrase
[06:21] <mdke> cool
[06:21] <jbailey> What?  No gpg-agent? =)
[06:21] <pitti> jbailey: but this key can only upload packages language-pack-*
[06:21] <jbailey> Did you arrange that with elmo or inifinity?
[06:21] <pitti> jbailey: I tried to use gpg-agent, but it doesn't work with gpg
[06:21] <jbailey> Err. =)
[06:21] <pitti> jbailey: and gpg2 immediately crashes, so I gave up and just use gnome-gpg at home
[06:21] <jbailey> 'fair nuff.
[06:22] <pitti> jbailey: anyway, I arranged that with elmo
[06:22] <pitti> jbailey: it would be easy to add the "ubuntu-docs" package to the allowed list for the langpack key
[06:22] <jbailey> pitti: Do you do it by hand right now or is it automated?
[06:22] <pitti> jbailey: uploading langpacks?
[06:22] <jbailey> Da.
[06:23] <pitti> jbailey: well, I manually have to call the process, i. e. call one script to generate the source packages
[06:23] <jbailey> 'k, so I'm not worried about it right now.
[06:23] <mdke> ok i'm gonna leave you guys to it
[06:23] <pitti> then I build some manmually, test them, then I call another script which mass-builds changes files and uploads them
[06:23] <jbailey> I'll worry about integrated it later to protect against me getting hit by a bus.
[06:23] <mdke> jbailey, let me know how you get on by email ya?
[06:23] <jbailey> Sure. =0
[06:24] <mdke> rockin
[06:24] <pitti> jbailey: right now my gut feeling is that keeping a single "ubuntu-docs" package is the right thing as long as it stays reasonably small
[06:26] <jbailey> My only issue there is that screen shots and whatnot might inflate the package.
[06:26] <jbailey> But it's not the case right now.
[06:27] <pitti> jbailey: well, splitting later is always easy
[06:27] <pitti> for Breezy we should probably keep it as it is now
[06:27] <jbailey> Oh, definetly.
[06:28] <jbailey> Through the dapper cycle from the beginning I will to weekly uploads.
[06:28] <pitti> jbailey: we can automate that then
[06:28] <pitti> jbailey: by that time we should have the Rosetta stuff running, and I'll automate langpack-o-matic more
[06:29] <pitti> jbailey: right now it is still much manual hacking since I manually import the raw buildd output and have to babysit and care for cleanup myself
[06:29] <jbailey> Nyaah
[06:29] <jbailey> Okay, I won't inflict bits on you. =)
[06:31] <jbailey> pitti: Ooo!  On an unrelated note...
[06:31] <jbailey> pitti: How do I get this into the notification applet? =)
[06:31] <jbailey> s/this/things/
[06:31] <pitti> jbailey: just drop a file into /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/
[06:31] <pitti> jbailey: u-n will pick it up through gamin
[06:38] <jbailey> pitti: Cool, thanks.
[06:39] <jbailey> pitti: What deletes them from there after?   Just the package getting purged?
[06:39] <pitti> jbailey: yes, the package has to care for it
[06:39] <jbailey> Hmm.  So a new user on the system sees al lthe previous notifications.
[06:39] <pitti> jbailey: and depending on what you do with the notificatoin, you shuold probably generate it in the postinst instead of just shipping the file
[06:40] <pitti> jbailey: many notifications are cleaned on boot
[06:40] <jbailey> Ah, okay.
[06:40] <jbailey> this is for glibc to say after an nss upgrade that now would be a good time to reboot.
[06:40] <jbailey> So I can do that, too.
[06:40] <pitti> jbailey: yep
[06:40] <pitti> jbailey: I think mvo has a special flag for it which was designed for the kernel
[06:41] <pitti> jbailey: in case you don't have a suitable init script which could remove it
[06:42] <jbailey> Sure, but I could. =)
[06:44] <pitti> jbailey: given that we now have four packages which ask for reboot, and after a dist-upgrade it is likely that you will see all four, we should factorize them somehow
[06:44] <jbailey> pitti: Yeah.
[06:44] <jbailey> Probably not a breezy thing, though.
[06:45] <pitti> yes
[06:45] <jbailey> It would be easy enough to have a translated file in /usr/share/doc somewhere and symlink it in.
[06:45] <jbailey> And any package that wants it just adds the symlink.
[06:45] <jbailey> And a script on reboot that deletes the symlink.
[06:45] <jbailey> Then you can do an infinite number on ln -sf's. =)
[06:47] <pitti> nice idea
[06:47] <pitti> maybe tell mvo in #u-d?


[01:09] <basketball> is todays current build stable
[01:15] <basketball> is there a torent for ubuntu 14.04
[01:15] <basketball> daily
[01:17] <Daekdroom> There isn't any .torrent in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[01:17] <Daekdroom> (and it sorta makes sense there isn't a torrent for daily, given it changes.. erm... daily, and there is no point in seeding things that will be obsolete within a day)
[01:18] <basketball> so once i download it will there be a way to have it update automattically or will i have to redownload it
[01:18] <Daekdroom> Run the update manager and you should be fine
[01:19] <Daekdroom> Alternatively, 'sudo apt-get update' followed by 'sudo apt-get upgrade' (you'll eventually need 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade')
[01:28] <basketball> ok how do i burn it to a cd once it downloads
[01:34] <IdleOne> you can't. The iso is too big for a cd, you could use a DVD or USB
[01:34] <IdleOne> !usb
[01:37] <IdleOne> you might want to also take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto#Burning_the_ISO_on_to_a_DVD
[01:44] <basketball> !dvd
[01:44] <basketball> !install-dvd
 IdleOne,  SCSI error on write(36592,16): See MMC specs: Sense Key 4 "Drive error", ASC 03 ASCQ 00.
 when burning to dv
[02:07] <basketball> IdleOne,  ^^^ Daekdroom
[02:11] <basketball> rww,  <basketball>   SCSI error on write(36592,16): See MMC specs: Sense Key 4 "Drive error", ASC 03 ASCQ 00.when burning to dv
[02:29] <basketball> SCSI error on write(138304,16): [4 09 01] Drive error. Tracking servo failure.  when dfownloading
[02:37] <TJ-> basketball: two things: 1) the DVD drive possibly needs a firmware update 2) reduce the write-speed multiplier to make the write more reliable
[02:41] <basketball> how do i do that
[03:05] <ThomasB> Rhythmbox needs last.fm scrobbling
[03:05] <ThomasB> and it needs it now
[03:57] <AussieDownUnder> G'day. Just installed a fresh xubuntu 14.04 alpha 2 & first thing I've noticed is that when you drag a windows to the top of the screen it doesn't maximize to the whole screen, it maximizes horizontally okay but vertically it only fills half of the screen.
[04:45] <AussieDownUnder> What's the go in xubuntu 14.04 with no option in the properties of a file to run it as an executable?
[07:02] <TheDrums> AussieDownUnder: THe first one, where it maximizes like that is an xfwm4 thing, not actually a mistake as it was designed like that.
[07:09] <AussieDownUnder> TheDrums, can I set it to fully maximise then?
[07:09] <TheDrums> Sadly no, not at this time.  IIRC there is an upstream bug report about it though.
[07:10] <AussieDownUnder> TheDrums, umm whoops I thought you were replying to another question I asked elsewhere sorry
[07:11] <TheDrums> AussieDownUnder: The question about dragging something to the top of the screen, that's the one I answered. :)
[07:39] <AussieDownUnder> thedrums, oh yeah sorry I'm losing track of what I've asked, I'm on different channels (not asking the same thing) asking about a heap of things.
[07:41] <AussieDownUnder> thedrums, where would the best place be to post reports about bugs or suggestions? Is there something in the alpha for doing either of those?
[07:43] <elfy> AussieDownUnder: this 'alpha' of your's - have you been updating it and upgrading as packages come through?
[07:43] <elfy> or is it still as it was when you got it?
[07:43] <AussieDownUnder> elfy, I installed it today & let it update
[07:45] <elfy> then it's not an alpha anymore - it's the same as the current daily :)
[07:45] <elfy> report bugs on the tracker
[07:45] <AussieDownUnder> elfy, oh wow nice. Let me noob up a storm in here, what tracker & how?
[07:46] <elfy> you got a launchpad account?
[07:47] <AussieDownUnder> elfy, sure do
[07:47] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker
[07:48] <elfy> login to that - http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds
[07:48] <elfy> rather :)
[07:48] <elfy> then pick the flavour
[07:48] <AussieDownUnder> elfy, so should I be reporting since I'm on the xubuntu 14.04?
[07:48] <AussieDownUnder> oh
[07:48] <elfy> AussieDownUnder: actually - I'm waking up still here - what sort of bug?
[07:49] <elfy> AussieDownUnder: this is the +1 channel - NOT just ubuntu :)
[07:49] <elfy> AussieDownUnder: because that might be the wrong place to report - depending on the bug
[07:49] <elfy> if it is one of our packages there is somewhere else to do it
[07:51] <AussieDownUnder> elfy, no bugs yet I'm pretty sure, was just preparing for the future of a possible bug, but yeah my main query so far was when windows only half fill the screen when you drag something to the side/top of the screen like in ubuntu  then it usually maximises the application
[07:51] <AussieDownUnder> elfy, not sure if that's only happening in xubuntu or ubuntu as well.
[07:52] <AussieDownUnder> elfy, also will this version of 14.04 I have installed now automatically be updated to release version?
[07:52] <elfy> it will update if you update it :)
[07:52] <elfy> my main query so far was when windows only half fill the screen when you drag something to the side/top of the screen
[07:53] <elfy> that is normal ^^
[07:53] <elfy> package bugs for us can be reported here if there is a test for it http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker
[07:53] <AussieDownUnder> elfy, but I want it to fill into the whole screen like ubuntu or windows whaaaaaa
[07:53] <elfy> and if you have queries regarding our stuff feel free to talk to me as well
[07:54] <elfy> AussieDownUnder: I want a £1,000,000 but I'm not going to get it ;)
[07:54] <AussieDownUnder> elfy, I'll send you a million pounds......of sand
[07:54] <elfy> right - that helps :p
[07:55] <AussieDownUnder> You might be able to make it into a heap of glassware & sell it to make more then a million pounds, then you can invest & buy more send then multiply into a billion dollar business.
[07:55] <AussieDownUnder> more sand*
[07:57] <AussieDownUnder> elfy, I had another question but can't remember it now. Oh would here be the appropriate place to find out how to properly delete all the other o/s's off of the same hardrive I have 14.04 on? I have ubuntu studio 12.04, ubuntu 12.04 & random empty partitions. I'd like to keep 14.04 as the main & wipe the rest into one clean partition or at least just 2 partitions, one for the 14.04 & the rest for storage
[07:59] <AussieDownUnder> elfy, I've deleted 2 o/s's off already but everytime I do I have to run boot-repair. I was thinking of wiping it, rearranging it in disk utility & then running boot-repair before I restart. I just don't really want to format the drive & start over again even though I'm good at starting over.
[08:00] <elfy> well personally I'd just redo it all - but then I'm doing that constantly anyway
[08:01] <elfy> but if you don't want to - and if you keep having to use bootrepair I'd guess that you've got issues with grub not installed in the right place
[08:02] <AussieDownUnder> elfy, I probably will, would be nice to push one button & reinstall all the custom ppa stuff, pretty sure I've forgotton half the stuff I had installed on my old main ubuntu. Be nice to somehow sync that kind of stuff on the ubuntu cloud & get an option to reinstall it
[08:02] <elfy> when you boot - is 14.04 at the top of the list - or is it one of your other installs
[08:02] <AussieDownUnder> elfy, yeah top of the list
[08:02] <rww> boot from LiveCD, gparted or whatever to delete everything that isn't 14.04, chroot into the 14.04 partition, edit grub config if necessary, update-grub
[08:03] <elfy> rww: yep
[08:03] <elfy> anyway AussieDownUnder - I'm off now - back later
[08:03] <AussieDownUnder> rww, would the live 14.04 usb be fine for that?
[08:03] <AussieDownUnder> elfy, okay thanks for your time
[08:03] <rww> yes
[08:10] <AussieDownUnder> I really do hate whenever you install a linux distro that it changes the grub to its own. I liked the fancy one that desktop-xubuntu installed on my ubuntu.
[08:14] <elfy> if you don't accept the defaults then it will install grub where you tell it to - then you can update-grub from the main one and it will find the newer one - do it all the time here
[09:01] <jo-erlend> do we have computer vision installed by default in Ubuntu now? I can't remember having installed it. And if so; what is it needed for?
[12:07] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:56] <ikonia> !info minidlna
[16:41] <jack> running xubuntu-trusty
[16:41] <jack> no breakages so far
[16:44] <jack> can anyone recommend a better mp3 player than clementine?
[16:53] <BLZbubba_> thank you for ending this 4 year nightmare.  I am so glad upstart is on its way out... when 10.04 came out I switched my ubuntu servers to centos.  I can't wait to give the next LTS release a try
[16:53] <BLZbubba_> once ubuntu boots it is a better server, but with upstart you could never be sure it would ever boot up
[17:39] <randomcpp> hi, why is it required to install unity8 with the latest update?
[17:52] <kblin> BLZbubba_: you're aware that 14.04 will still ship with upstart, right?
[19:36] <BLZbubba_> kblin: you're shitting me, that means 2 more years of pain
[19:36] <BLZbubba_> better late than never, I guess :(
[19:41] <kblin> BLZbubba_: If I read that blog entry from shuttleworth correctly, 14.04 will still have upstart
[19:41] <kblin> BLZbubba_: I expect 14.04 to be frozen enough to not pull and replace the init system now
[19:41] <popey> kblin: correct
[19:42] <popey> and probably 14.10 will also have upstart
[19:43] <jack> url?
[19:44] <yofel> jack: if you mean the blog entry: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316
[19:45] <kblin> heck, whatever you have against upstart, I wouldn't want to run a distro where somebody replaced pid 1 two months before release
[19:46] <kblin> that's quite a larger change than deciding to go for a new version of firefox or the like
[19:47] <jack> thx
[20:06] <nvrpunk> anyone get transparency working in gnome-terminal in tahr?
[20:06] <u-foka> nvrpunk, worksforme
[20:14] <nvrpunk> where are private keys stored?
[20:14] <nvrpunk> for gpg
[20:14] <Pici> ~/.gnupg
[20:21] <BLZbubba_> kblin: i would agree with you if upstart weren't so terrible.  it is possible to install both and move services away from upstart over time (e.g. how EL6 did it)
[20:22] <BLZbubba_> but my 8.04 updates are going to go away before 16.04 comes out
[20:22] <BLZbubba_> so i'm in a bind now
[20:23] <BLZbubba_> they are already gone really but i'll try el7 before 14.04


[04:17] <SlidingHorn> just warning about coolchris in main - Came in specifically to troll, and is just lying in wait presumably to disrupt or tell someone to do something damaging to their system
[04:17] <SlidingHorn> have a good night all


[05:05] <nhaines> I'm pretty pleased.  I'm getting paid to edit a novel.  $256 for editing and $128 for proofreading once the author gets it back to me from the initial edit.
[05:06] <nhaines> And because those are nice round numbers, I don't even have to math to know that the total is $384.
[11:38] <Verse> haha that is nice


[02:51] <pgnome> hi, smth is wrong with the ubuntu channel... can I ask here?  I was wondering if anyone has installed kernel 3.15 or 3.16 rc1?
[09:00] <darkxst> pgnome, utopic will be getting 3.16, but for the time being its still on 3.15
[09:05] <darkxst> so most devs are using 3.15, but I guess you are talking about 14.04?
[10:44] <ricotz> darkxst, pgnome, 3.13/14
[10:45] <ricotz> oh, or you are talking about the kernel, ignore me then
[10:47] <darkxst> ricotz, yes, the question was about kernel, obviously there is no GNOME 3.15/16 yet ;)
[17:32] <freecoder> while configuring dbus-1.8.0 for blfs, i do not have a ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession yet, so i decided to follow the third suggestion to start a session daemon for dbus. should i add the lines to start the daemon to ~/.bash_profile or /etc/profile?
[17:33] <freecoder> i believe adding the lines to ~/.bash_profile will only start the daemon for the current user, while /etc/profile will apply to all users.
[17:33] <freecoder> iis it?
[17:34] <freecoder> sorry wrong channel


[02:19] <hyperair> how does one debug an initramfs image these days?
[02:19] <hyperair> i've spent the entire morning searching for ways to extract multi-segment initramfs images, but nothing seems to show me anything useful
[02:32] <hyperair> aha, finally managed to find the XZ header
[02:32] <hyperair> sdigh
[02:32] <hyperair> sigh*
[17:53] <apw> bjf, this lts uname issue you mentioned, it was uname -r which was wrong, right ?
[17:56] <bjf> apw, thinking ...
[17:58] <apw> bjf, looks like ~precise1 used to appear in uname -v only, and does not for -utopic, the other values and places look ok
[17:58] <bjf> apw, i do a uname -vr though i think it's the uname -r that should be wrong
[18:01] <bjf> apw, actually, it looks like it needs to be the uname -vr ... the ~<series> appears after the abi
[18:02] <apw> bjf, yeah it used to be in a totally useless place; really it should be part of the series abi, and the directory into which it is placed, so upgrades work ... ugg
[18:02] <apw> bjf, anyhow i see it now, and will sort it out


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[05:28] <KGB-2> gdm signed tags 87349c8 Marco Trevisan ubuntu/43.0-1ubuntu1 * gdm3 Debian release 43.0-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/3jqwh
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[05:49] <didrocks> good morning
[06:17] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[06:17] <didrocks> hey duflu
[06:32] <oSoMoN> good morning
[06:33] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[06:58] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[07:07] <didrocks> salut seb128, ça va ?
[07:07] <seb128> didrocks, salut. Je sors de chez le dentiste mais sinon ça va :)
[07:25] <didrocks> seb128: ah, j’espère que tout va bien
[07:25] <didrocks> seb128: I was just disconnected after dist-upgrading because of wifi going away
[07:25] <didrocks> even after a reboot, it doesn’t see any network anymore
[07:25] <didrocks> so, could it be iwd? How to debug it?
[07:42] <duflu> Morning seb128
[07:44] <duflu> Back in ~1h
[07:47]  * rs2009 waves
[07:58] <didrocks> so, I have some networks displayed with sudo iw dev wlp3s0 scan
[07:58] <didrocks> it’s "just" that network-manager doesn’t pick them up
[07:59] <didrocks> I tried removing iwd and reboot (both iwd and wpa_supplicant were booted before)
[07:59] <didrocks> but nothing still
[08:12] <didrocks> So, I was able to transition with:
[08:12] <didrocks> -> uninstall iwd
[08:12] <didrocks> reboot, see that the old device name is down
[08:12] <didrocks> set it up manually
[08:12] <didrocks> reinstall iwd
[08:12] <didrocks> reboot
[08:12] <seb128> transition to what?
[08:12] <didrocks> now the device has a new name "wlan0" to me (not the systemd device name anymore)
[08:13] <didrocks> well, get my laptop back working
[08:13] <didrocks> then, I was able to scan and see again networks in nm
[08:14] <seb128> it seems somehow wpa and iwd conflicts on some configs :/
[08:14] <didrocks> yeah
[08:14] <didrocks> and device name changing doesn’t sound like it will ease the task?
[08:14] <seb128> the easiest workaround is 'sudo apt remove wpasupplicant'
[08:14] <didrocks> I tried that, didn’t work at first
[08:15] <jibel> I've had the same issue this morning
[08:15] <didrocks> I really needed to go back to wpa supplicant
[08:15] <seb128> weird
[08:15] <didrocks> and set the device up first (the old one, with the name generated by systemd)
[08:15] <seb128> that means iwd isn't working for you?
[08:15] <jibel> is the transition to iwd documented somewhere?
[08:15] <jibel> we won't be alone facing this problem
[08:15] <didrocks> seb128: now it does, I had then to reinstall iwd, reboot
[08:15] <didrocks> and that was ok
[08:15] <seb128> we will revert the upload from yesterday I guess, the time to understand why iwd doesn't work for some configs
[08:16] <jibel> iwd is working once wpa_supplicant is out of the way, and the connection reconfigured manually
[08:16] <didrocks> (well, I needed ofc to select it again and enter the passphrase…)
[08:16] <seb128> didrocks, it doesn't make much sense to me why iwd wasn't working until you reinstall wpa
[08:16] <seb128> reinstalled
[08:16] <didrocks> I don’t know why either, maybe my new device name was just down for $reason?
[08:17] <seb128> did you restart the system after removing wpasupplicant?
[08:17] <didrocks> I haven’t thought of thinking about that before I did reinstall wpa
[08:17] <didrocks> yeah
[08:17] <seb128> it's known that nm doesn't autoconnect to existing configuration, which Heather is working on with a migration postinst
[08:17] <didrocks> after having both -> reboot, remove wpasupplicant -> reboot, reinstall -> reboot
[08:17] <seb128> but on my machine iwd does list the APs
[08:17] <didrocks> btw, once I get back the ssid listed
[08:17] <seb128> and I can select one to connect
[08:18] <didrocks> I mistyped the passphrase
[08:18] <seb128> it just requires me to click rather than doing it in the background
[08:18] <didrocks> I got no feedback from nm?
[08:18] <seb128> I didn't try to type a wrong password
[08:18] <didrocks> I did it once only, unsure if this is iwd, if this is reliable, but worth keeping in mind and try to reproduce
[08:18] <seb128> yes
[08:19] <seb128> I'm puzzled why iwd after a reboot wouldn't list APs by itself though :/
[08:19] <didrocks> yeah
[08:19] <seb128> we probably need to revert due to that, I don't think it's an issue we will be able to debug before beta
[08:19] <seb128> especially that I don't have that problem on my machines
[08:19] <didrocks> doesn’t looks like it, it’s something that needs to be done on real software, with downgrade/upgrade
[08:20] <didrocks> hardware*
[08:20] <didrocks> so yeah, tricky to debug
[08:20] <seb128> jbicha, ^ let's revert the iwd addition from yesterday
[08:22] <seb128> didrocks, also wlan0 is the expected device name under iwd
[08:24] <didrocks> ack, back to understandable device name :)
[08:25] <didrocks> I wonder if this is what is puzzling some parts, even after reboot (why my device went down?)
[08:27] <seb128> I can imagine that being confusing to n-m but I don't understand why it's still the case after restarting
[08:28] <seb128> it felt late in the cycle for switching now, we should probably try to debug those problems in Prague when we have people with configs that show the problem and try again early in L
[08:35] <didrocks> sounds like a better plan, indeed
[13:45] <jbicha> I made the iwd revert for ubuntu-meta (which will help upgraders). Needs to be manually accepted because of beta freeze.
[14:33] <jbicha> seb128: didrocks: I'm reverting the NM Recommends: iwd now too
[14:33] <didrocks> perfect, thanks!
[14:36] <jbicha> didrocks: iwd will fall back to Kinetic Universe unless we wanted to seed it in Supported or something. I think universe is ok
[14:37] <didrocks> as you wish, no strong opinion on this
[16:31] <seb128> jbicha, universe is alright
[17:23] <tjaalton> I had a power failure and now my kinetic desktop fails to boot up, gnome-characters snap says "can't open blockdev" and drops into emergency shell
[17:23] <tjaalton> how to recover from it?
[17:39] <rs2009> is the new Flutter-based snap-store in preview/edge ready for daily usage? asking as the current store, which uses libadwaita, is broken on Unity7, but the new one seems to work perfectly fine (not for 22.10, but for 23.04)
[17:57] <ogra> rs2009, officialy it is said to be "early alpha" ...
[17:58] <ogra> (i havent tried it, perhaps it works acceptable, not sure ... but i'd not risk it for your unity iso)
[17:59] <rs2009> ogra: yep, was thinking about it for 23.04
[18:00] <rs2009> (since it should be pretty much ready by then)
[18:01] <ogra> hopefully ... gnome-software is a pain 🙂
[18:03] <rs2009> ogra: agreed :)
[18:10] <Eickmeyer> rs2009, ogra: I've tried it, it's pretty smooth!
[18:11] <ogra> so i heard !
[18:11] <ogra> and also that it is also pretty usable already
[23:44] <KGB-2> gnome-shell-extension-appindicator tags 66caa77 Marco Trevisan upstream/44 * Upstream version 44 * https://deb.li/z4xe


[01:27] <Rodney_> I have just completed install of xubuntu. I am wondering which version of wine I need to install that will run World of Warcraft?
[01:28] <Rodney_> Also is there someone here that will walk me through the process step by step?
[19:23] <tsglove> Hey guys, question: I setup the taskbar as a "Deskbar".  Yet on a dual monitor setup, on monitor#2, this Deskbar is "overlaid" on top of windows.
[19:23] <tsglove> So everything that is "under" the deskbar in Monitor#2 is slightly hidden by the width of the Deskbar.  Any idea what I could do fix it?