[08:35] <amitk> csurbhi: how goes your quest to get everything configured?
[08:38] <csurbhi> still cannot access the wiki
[08:38] <smb> hm, lets check on your page...
[08:39]  * smb thinks we must fix your memberships
[08:39] <csurbhi> ok
[08:48]  * apw is getting bored of the i915 hangs already
[08:49]  * smb slaps himself in advance for thinking evil replies
[08:56]  * apw thinks you should run karmic for a bit just to feel my pain
[08:59] <smb> Well I run it on machines with ati and nvidia graphics. Which were supposed to be the more painfull...
[09:01] <apw> heh ... how is your ati.  with compiz mine is unusable
[09:03] <smb> I am not sure I enabled it fully but I can't remember any particular pain. I will have a go at the latest packages of the day later
[10:00] <kervel> hi, i want to make a custom version of linux-backports-modules-karmic in a PPA. i'm now using "dch -i 'rebuilt without rfkill'"  as part of my script .. but that doesn't result in the right version number
[10:00] <kervel> is there any recommendation on what to use for a PPA
[10:11] <smb> kervel, If you mean that adding ubuntu1 is not the right thing, probably the simplest thing is to sed it to what extension you want. But you would not want to increment the upload number
[10:20] <kervel> smb i don't really know how version numbers work in ubuntu.. but i guess i need something like blabla-ubuntu1-custom1 or so
[10:20] <kervel> now it changes ubuntu1 to ubuntu2 and so on
[10:20] <kervel> which is - i guess - not fine as it will conflict with a real version
[10:20] <kervel> maybe
[10:21] <smb> In the case of this package, no official version will have ubuntux in it, as it is not based on a debian package
[10:22] <smb> But to make it clear where it comes from, you could replace the ubuntu by your nick, initials or whatever
[10:45] <kervel> ok let me try ...
[13:11] <rtg> apw, did you make any headway on the disk performance issue you were seeing yesterday?
[13:13] <apw> rtg not as to root cause no, i am not 100% convinced there is a speciific issue in my case
[13:14] <rtg> apw, there is something going on with one of mine late in the process. the throbber just sits there for 15 seconds with no disk activity
[13:14] <apw> its entirly possible its showing that a rotating media does not like to be rattled
[13:14] <apw> rtg, that sounds different, mine is rattling its ass off for the whole time
[13:14] <apw> though i think the same technique could help us
[13:15] <apw> if you install bootchart, then boot with bootchart=nostop
[13:15] <apw> then boot, login, and run sudo /etc/init.d/stop-bootchart start
[13:15] <apw> it will give you a nice piccy to look at, which should show you what it hotught it was doing in that period
[13:16] <rtg> apw, ok, I'll bring it downstairs in a bit and give it a try
[13:16] <apw> i found i was taking a 7s hit every boot for schroot, changed recover to end in its config and i got 7s back
[13:17] <apw> spent most of my time looking at this i915 hang, have the upstream activly engaged as i seem to be able to reproduce almost at will right now
[13:17] <rtg> apw, thats either good, or a real pain the ass :)
[13:19] <apw> mostly the latter for me unfortunatly ... fortuanatly it seems to be pretty stable before the first suspend, and gets much more likley after
[13:19] <gnarl> rtg, good for us but pita for apw
[13:19] <apw> so as long as i never sleep things are fine
[13:19] <rtg> apw, you'r eye'll get kind of red if you never sleep
[13:19]  * apw watches a bunch of startup stuff get uploaded ... bumpy waters ahead
[13:19] <apw> rtg heheh
[14:56] <amitk> bug 427289
[14:56] <ubot3> Malone bug 427289 in linux-fsl-imx51 "hardware clock not saved if board power is removed on babbage 2.5" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/427289
[15:01] <kervel> hi, no luck setting up my PPA (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31842410/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.linux-backports-modules-2.6.31_2.6.31-10.12kervel2_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz)
[15:01] <kervel> when i build the packages using pbuilder i didn't get this problem
[15:17] <smb> kervel, Looks a bit more like a ppa setup problem in general. If I read this right the pulled sysv-rc needs an initscripts package greater or equal 2.86.ds1-63 but only finds an older version...
[15:17] <kervel> hmm
[15:17] <kervel> so that means i need to wait and retry
[15:20] <smb> kervel, Hm, not sure where this old version comes from. rmadision for initscripts shows 2.87dsf-4ubuntu2 for karmic...
[15:21] <kervel> thing is, it seems these packages were just uploaded
[15:21] <smb> kervel, Might it be that you accidentally have jaunty in the first line of the debian/changelog
[15:22] <kervel> ow let me check
[15:22] <kervel> but then pbuilder would also fail
[15:22] <kervel> it says karmic, so that won't be it
[15:23] <smb> Ok. Actually it seems to pull from karmic. Just the version number seemed close to the one in jaunty
[15:24] <kervel> on my local system the initscripts upgrade is held
[15:24] <kervel> so i guess its a general problem with karmic
[15:25] <rtg> Keybuk, help! https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.31-10.33/+build/1244811/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.linux_2.6.31-10.33_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz
[15:25] <rtg> something new.
[15:26] <kervel> rtg looks like my problem
[15:26] <Keybuk> yes
[15:26] <Keybuk> it'll cure itself after the next publisher run
[15:27] <rtg> yeah, 'cause there ain't no sysv-rc dependency
[15:28] <rtg> Keybuk, so, since its in a CHROOTWAIT state, will it automagically restart?
[15:29] <Keybuk> no, it'll need an admin to give back
[15:29] <Keybuk> colin just said he'd do that
[15:30] <smb> rtg, Somewhat interesting, as rmadison already shows the new version and I also had pulled it to a test system
[15:30] <rtg> smb, what did you pull? it hasn't built yet
[15:31] <smb> rtg, dpkg -l on karmic64 shows it installed...
[15:31] <rtg> smb, -10.33 ?
[15:31] <smb> no the initscripts
[15:32] <rtg> smb, have you ever noticed that were are often on totally different tracks?
[15:32] <rtg> s/were/we/
[15:33] <smb> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[15:33] <smb>   sysv-rc: Breaks: initscripts (< 2.86.ds1-63) but 2.86.ds1-61ubuntu16 is to be installed
[15:33] <smb> I guess that was your problem as well
[15:33] <smb> as that of kervel
[15:33] <rtg> yep
[15:33] <smb>  +++-[15:33] <smb> ii  initscripts    2.87dsf-4ubunt scripts for initializing and shutting down t
[15:34] <smb> Just found it interesting that it seems to be installable but not available for the ppa's or buildd's
[15:34] <kervel> initscripts is not installable on my karmic box
[15:35] <kervel> or it comes with a warning ... (you are about to do something potentially harmful)
[15:36] <smb> kervel, mine is a 64bit system and likely I ignored the warnings... Its a test system anyway
[15:39] <smb> rtg, But yes, I guess my jump in thoughts was a bit steep
[16:05] <NakidGirl_With_I> hi . how can I look at the filename in http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kernel/ , detemine that its a dom0 kernel
[16:05] <NakidGirl_With_I> I want to install dom0 kernel on Jaunty 9.04
[16:06] <NakidGirl_With_I> anybody ?
[16:16] <NakidGirl_With_I> I want to install dom0 kernel on Jaunty 9.04 , can any body help
[16:18] <arvind_khadri> NakidGirl_With_I, did you google?
[16:22] <NakidGirl_With_I> hello <arvind_khadri> , since I am from elX distro person , I am finding it difficult to compile one for Jaunty
[16:22] <NakidGirl_With_I> I googled
[16:22] <NakidGirl_With_I> I was looking for some latest prebuild images which I could use, and Thanks
[16:22] <NakidGirl_With_I> I can do that on centos , but jaunty is failing
[16:23] <rtg> IIRC Hardy is the last dom0 kernel. zul?
[16:23] <zul> yep
[16:24] <NakidGirl_With_I> rtg> can you please give the link for that download
[16:27] <NakidGirl_With_I> ??
[16:28] <rtg> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
  thats for ubuntu ,. I am asking for dom0 image
 if you are unable to assist , dont fake it
[16:35] <rtg> NakidGirl_With_I, you are suddenly the source of some amusement. zul - is the Hardy xen flavour packaged? Or is he gonna have to build it?
[16:35] <zul> its package just get it from the archive
[16:36] <rtg> its not on the dvd?
[16:36] <zul> ummm...not sure I dont have a dvd to check ;)
 amusemnest ? Jeez thats something. Hope you had your fill , but then is there some lead or not
[16:36] <rtg> nor do I, takes to dang long to download.
[16:38] <NakidGirl_With_I> Thanks guyzz.. thats why I told that morron that even centos is better ..ciao
[16:39] <apw> yeah right ... go for it NG
[16:40] <rtg> gosh, I was just about to paste a link :)
[16:58] <apw> rtg, major positive progress on the i915 hanging bugs ... it looks to be a mesa bug ... and we have what appears to be the fix.  proved it was the issue using a kernel  patch which added more validation.
[17:00] <rtg> apw, cool. worth an upload?
[17:00] <apw> the fix itself is mesa, so i don't think we need to panic on the kerenl
[17:01] <apw> i'm just trying to persuade ickle to push the kernel patch to stable
[17:01] <apw> as that does protect us and makes any bug obvious as your screen is poop
[17:01] <apw> i suspect is worth us applying it to our tree so its in the next upload whenever that occurs tho.
[17:02] <apw> right now without mesa fixed it will trash everyones screen :)
[17:02] <rtg> apw, wfm
[17:03] <apw> has the kernel with the ext4 fix already gone up?
[17:04] <rtg> apw, yep
[17:04] <apw> good stuff
[17:07] <ogasawara> ** Just a reminder . . . Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[17:09] <apw> ogasawara, ack, now + 50 mins
[17:09] <erichammond> pgraner: Is the daily EC2 kernel meeting going to happen now? http://kernelcalendar.notlong.com/
[17:11] <rtg> jjohansen1, ^^
[17:12] <jjohansen1> rtg: thanks
[17:12] <jjohansen1> EC2 kernel meeting
[17:13] <jjohansen1> will begin in just a minute I am going to see if I can't get smoser
[17:13] <erichammond> jjohansen1: There's a server team meeting still happening in #ubuntu-meeting
[17:14] <jjohansen1> erichammond: ah
[17:15] <jjohansen1> rtg: did you do any config updates for the EC2 kernel?
[17:15] <rtg> jjohansen1, I have not uploaded the source package, but he configs should be closer to server
[17:15] <smoser> i thought we said to do these in -server. oh well
[17:15] <rtg> smthe meeting?
[17:16] <rtg> smoser, ^^
[17:16] <smoser> y
[17:16] <rtg> we can certainly move there. all opposed?
[17:16] <smoser> i dont care
[17:16] <smoser> just i wasn't here, thinking it was there. anyway. this is fine.
[17:16] <smoser> i'll go first if you dont mind
[17:16] <rtg> lets do it in -server since there are folks interested in that channel
[17:17] <smoser> i'm planning on later today publishing the karmic kernels to eu-west-1, and getting ec2-version-query updated
[17:17] <smoser> ok. moving there.
[17:18] <rtg> apw, patch from Ted in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/e2fsprogs/+bug/427822
[17:18] <ubot3> Malone bug 427822 in linux "fsck says last write time in future" [Critical,Fix released]
[17:20] <apw> rtg his timing stinks!  38 mins ago
[17:20] <rtg> apw, its not too late
[17:20] <apw> is it worth spinning yet another kernel for?
[17:21] <rtg> apw, probably not as long as thefix is in the pipeline.
[17:21] <apw> and its untested, though it looks identcle to the other, it'd be a worry
[17:21] <apw> we kittened ourselves last time rushing something
[17:22] <rtg> indeed
[17:22] <apw> i'll get it tested and committed tho.  my machine has ext3 it seems
[17:22] <apw> bah its gone manic out here all of a sudden!
[17:23] <bjf> -afk
[18:59] <Keybuk> rtg: did you see that Ted posted an ext3 patch for you?
[18:59] <Keybuk> it would be REALLY NICE to have that in α6 as well
[19:20] <rtg> Keybuk, i bugged apw about it. we can upload if you think it necessary.
[19:23] <apw> Keybuk, i applied the patch to a test kernel, its pushing to rookery as we speak
[19:24] <apw> http://people.canonical.com/~apw/lp427822-karmic/ ... they will be there in 10 mins or so
[19:25] <rtg> apw, what was the chart profiling magic on the kernel command line? My laptop gets slower with each update
[19:25] <apw> bootchart=nostop
[19:25] <apw> then sudo /etc/init.d/stop-bootchart start
[19:27] <apw> rtg just rember to boot twice, the first one after an update is always an sreadahead watch mode
[19:28] <rtg> apw, boot twice after an update, right?
[19:28] <apw> yeah the first one is always slow cause of sreadahead watching and learning
[19:29] <apw> so profile the second one
[19:56] <rtg> apw, should that be /etc/init.d/stop-readahead start ?
[20:07] <rtg> apw, never mind. needed to install bootchart.
[20:14] <kervel> is there any idea yet when the building problems (related to initscripts , sysv-rc) will be fixed ? i'm still unable to do anything useful
[20:16] <Keybuk> kervel: later
[21:10] <pgraner> Keybuk: my netbook is hanging on mounting after updates, any idea?
[21:11] <pgraner> Keybuk: Right after "Running /scripts/init-bottom"
[21:11] <smb> pgraner, Welcome in the club
[21:12] <smb> pgraner, See topic over in #distro
[21:12] <pgraner> smb: in that case I'll shutup


[00:25] <niko> is ban/quiet in #ubuntu-irc still necessary ?
[01:06] <Seeker`> -00:05:58- :snow_usa : Seeker`, Ím silent now
[01:06] <Seeker`> clearly a lie :P
[06:30] <Flannel> !encrypted
[06:30] <Flannel> !encrypt is <alias> encrypted
[06:30] <Flannel> !encryption is <alias> encrypted
[06:31] <Flannel> !encryption
[06:31] <Flannel> Oh right, spam timeouts.
[06:31] <Flannel> !-encryption
[06:31] <Flannel> good, good.
[10:44] <jussi> JFYI, I added !addfact to the bot, as it is a pretty frequently asked question, and sending people to the web page which isnt ideal atm isnt the best.
[12:44] <Tm_T> FYI bacta is back
[12:47] <gnomefreak> who is he?
[12:50] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: I wonder if bantracker explains things clearly enough (it's quite a long story)
[12:50] <gnomefreak> i will look
[12:51] <gnomefreak> @btlogin
[12:52] <gnomefreak> well i see an indefinate ban so i am guessing it was removed
[12:53] <Tm_T> there's tons of bans across the u-namespace, from a long period of time
[12:53] <gnomefreak> im seeing that
[12:53] <gnomefreak> i didnt see him in #u +1 -ot
[12:54] <Tm_T> he was in -women, as usual
[12:54] <gnomefreak> oh
[12:55]  * gnomefreak not an op in there
[13:17] <Tm_T> there's currently nothing we can do anyway
[13:33] <gnomefreak> why?
[13:34] <Tm_T> he isn't violating any rules, although many feels uncomfortable just him being there
[13:40] <gnomefreak> if it was an indefinate ban than shouldnt we be able to ban
[13:42] <Tm_T> IIRC preemptive ban is still no-go unless one is currently misbehaving
[13:42] <Tm_T> in an extention that it warrants such harsh measures
[13:42] <gnomefreak> k
[13:48] <Mamarok> BTW, we need to keep an eye on sergio in #kubuntu, he joins several times daily, greets in Italian (has been told !it several times already) and invariably asks for !list
[13:48] <Mamarok> this is really getting annoying
[13:48] <bazhang> that "malware" link is 404
[13:52] <gnomefreak> Mamarok: hes in +1 but i will check #k
[13:52] <gnomefreak> its not malware
[13:52] <gnomefreak> or it was closed already
[13:52] <bazhang> of course not. I'd treat her claims with a great deal of skepticism
[13:53] <gnomefreak> nevermind wrong nick
[13:53] <gnomefreak> i still wouldnt advise people to open it unless they can handle problems
[14:37] <Pici> newerror123 evading a few bans.
[14:40] <Pici> er, and I banned him.
[15:00] <bazhang> ah the prabinmetals guy. should probably remove the failed *prabinmet*!*@* I set earlier
[15:01] <knome> afaik, you can't wildcard nicks
[15:01] <Pici> Sure you can.
[15:01] <knome> hmm, maybe that was a limitation in ircnet
[15:10] <Tm_T> knome: you can there too
[15:10] <knome> right
[15:10] <knome> maybe it was a limitation in some script, then
[15:11] <marienz> seems like a pretty odd limitation (I definitely don't remember ever seeing it on freenode)
[17:37] <Pici> Weird question.
[17:38] <Pici> Why would you get a linux vps if you needed to run a windows application?
[17:39] <IdleOne> because linux is virus free
[17:40] <IdleOne> so that means I can run mirc and not worry about virii
[17:40]  * IdleOne has done the math, the logic is flawless.
[18:45] <ikonia> Tm_T: for the record I've raised bactas namespace wide ban with the council and I'm still awaiting a reply
[18:49] <ikonia> !appeals
[19:08] <ikonia> what's the fix your connection channel ?
[19:09] <Pici> ##fix_your_connection
[19:09] <ikonia> ahhh underscores
[19:09] <ikonia> thank you
[19:20] <Pici> Also, !mp3 and !codec are both aliases to !codecs
[19:21] <ikonia> I didn't know that, thank you
[19:27] <Pici> ikonia is always banning jono...
[19:27] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[19:27] <ikonia> I've only forwarded him as he keeps dropping his connection in #ubuntu, I've left him on the other channels as they aren't as busy
[19:27] <ikonia> also pm'd him
[19:32] <ikonia> he's fixed it
[19:32] <ikonia> (amazing how +b makes you get your finger out)
[19:51] <ikonia> #
[19:51] <ikonia> Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-updates/main openssh-server 1:5.3p1-3ubuntu4 [285kB]
[19:51] <ikonia> #
[19:51] <ikonia> Get:2 http://cz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper/main libungif4g 4.1.4-1 [57.2kB]
[19:51] <ikonia> wow - look at this guy, trying to use a distro 4 years apart
[19:56] <mneptok> Dappper is still supported.
[19:56] <mneptok> -p
[19:56] <ikonia> mixing the two distros aren't
[19:56] <ikonia> isn't even
[19:57] <jussi> mneptok: is it not only supported on server now?
[19:57] <mneptok> jussi: it is.
[20:28] <jrib> mneptok: how exactly is server support defined anyway, how does one determine if a package is supported or not?
[20:29] <Pici> There actually is a spot on the package's meta information (packages.gz) that says how long its supported for.
[20:30] <jrib> I see
[20:30] <Pici> See the difference between apt-cache show bash and apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop
[20:30] <Pici> The 'Supported' field.
[20:30] <jrib> Pici: cool, never noticed that
[20:56] <ikonia> hey nickspoon !
[20:56] <ikonia> nice to see you
[20:56] <nickspoon> Ah hello!
[20:57] <nickspoon> Sorry, I forgot to take this off my autojoin :P
[20:57] <ikonia> it's not a problem
[20:57] <ikonia> it's good to see you
[20:57] <nickspoon> Nice to see you too, ikonia :)
[21:49] <IdleOne> the !donate factoid leads to a 404
[21:49] <IdleOne> not a often used factoid but should still be fixed. I can't seem to find a equivalent link
[21:53] <Tm_T> IdleOne: is it submitted or shall I?
[21:53] <IdleOne> I submitted
[21:53] <Tm_T> good, thanks
[21:53] <IdleOne> now needs to be added to bot
[21:53] <IdleOne> I don't have that access
[21:54] <IdleOne> Pici: ^^
[22:01] <Tm_T> IdleOne: well, that's what I meant...
[22:01] <IdleOne> oh, sorry. Well if you can make the edit, please do
[22:01] <Tm_T> ubottu: no, donate is To donate to Ubuntu, you can !participate or go to http://www.ubuntu.com/community/get-involved/donate
[22:02] <Tm_T> !donate
[22:02] <IdleOne> thank you
[22:02] <Tm_T> bah...
[22:02] <IdleOne> hehe fix that
[22:02] <Tm_T> ubottu: no, donate is <reply>To donate to Ubuntu, you can !participate or go to http://www.ubuntu.com/community/get-involved/donate
[22:02] <IdleOne> !donate
[22:02] <Tm_T> !donate
[22:02] <Tm_T> <3
[22:03] <IdleOne> perfect
[22:03] <Tm_T> my work is done, so good night all
[22:03] <IdleOne> night
[23:17] <IdleOne> someone want to approve Seveas !purge submission up there ^^
[23:30] <Pici> !purge
[23:30] <Pici> purge is <reply> To purge all removed but not yet purged packages, use the following command: dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/{print $2}' |  sudo xargs dpkg -P
[23:30] <Pici> !purge is <reply> To purge all removed but not yet purged packages, use the following command: dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/{print $2}' |  sudo xargs dpkg -P


[01:36] <karni> joshuahoover: duanedesign: re bikerboi87 ↑ if any of you is around
[01:36] <bikerboi87> karni: :)
[01:36] <karni> bikerboi87: If nobody replies, please drop by tomorrow, a little earlier than around now :)
[01:37] <karni> bikerboi87: We have a bunch of helpful support guys here, I'm sure they'll figure out what's up with that, Sorry for the trouble.
[01:37] <bikerboi87> karni: It's not so much that something is wrong, just it'll save me money :P
[01:38] <karni> bikerboi87: Whatever the amount, if something's wrong, we'd like to know :) I can see they're not around anymore. Please do come back tomorrow and catch them earlier :)
[01:39] <bikerboi87> karni: cheers :)
[01:39] <karni> o/
[01:39] <karni> :)
[09:26] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, everyone! :D
[09:27] <mandel> morning all!
[12:05] <ralsina> Good morning!
[12:06] <ralsina> mandel: ping
[12:07] <mandel> ralsina, pong!!
[12:07] <mandel> ralsina, buenos dias!
[12:08] <ralsina> Hello mandel, can we have the 1-1 early? I have somewhere else I need to be ;-)
[12:09] <mandel> ralsina, sure, do you want to do it now?
[12:09] <mandel> ralsina, unless there is anything else, I can take a rest from coding :)
[12:09] <ralsina> mandel: cool, also I can test this mumble-on-linux thing :-)
[12:11] <mandel> ralsina, ok, launching mumble now
[13:29] <alecu> hello #ubuntuoners!
[13:32] <mandel> alecu, buenos dias!
[13:32] <gatox> buenas
[13:32] <mandel> ditto
[13:33] <alecu> hola mandel! can I ask for your review here? https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntu-sso-client/post-restful-cleanups/+merge/91157
[13:35] <mandel> alecu, yes, although will have to wait for my lunch, is that ok?
[13:35] <alecu> mandel, sure!
[13:35] <mandel> alecu, then is mine!
[13:40] <mandel> alecu, gatox are you guys still sprinting?
[13:41] <gatox> mandel, yes
[13:41] <mandel> gatox, cool, have fun the last day ;)
[13:41] <mandel> gatox, so, not doing FF right? 'cause I don't have the time today :(
[13:41] <gatox> mandel, yesterday we had the team dinner....... LOT OF MEAT
[13:41] <mandel> lol
[13:41] <gatox> mandel, me neither
[13:41] <mandel> gatox, probe nessita .. not meat for her ;)
[13:42] <mandel> gatox, great, no problems then, I'm off to lunch catch you when I'm back
[13:42] <gatox> mandel, ack! enjoy
[13:57] <gatox> nessita, this one is fix: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/pages-migration/+merge/91331
[13:57] <nessita> gatox: awesome!
[14:01] <dobey> hmm
[14:07] <mpt> Hi, I'm trying to reproduce a bug ... What do I need to delete for Ubuntu One to forget completely that I'm signed in to SSO?
[14:07] <nessita> mpt: hello there!
[14:07] <mpt> hi nessita
[14:07] <karni> mpt: What platform are you talking about?
[14:08] <nessita> mpt: using the control panel, go to the Devices tab and remove the current device (the one tha has the bandwidth options)
[14:08] <mpt> karni, if this is in reference to my recent tweet about Canonicalers who ask me what OS I'm using, then ... well played :-)
[14:08] <karni> mpt: I meant desktop/Android/iOS.
[14:08] <mpt> Ubuntu
[14:09] <karni> mpt: then nessita's answer is the right one :)
[14:09] <mpt> ah, thanks nessita
[14:09] <karni> nessita: Hi! Referring to ""Only twisted Deferreds are used in this code, but only as a control structure in order to make the sequence of callbacks cleaner, and to ease testing with trial."" -- could you tell me what you mean by "ease testing with trial" in the context of callbacks?
[14:10] <nessita> karni: sure! can you give me a couple of minutes?
[14:10] <karni> nessita: Perhaps what I mean exactly is - how callback based code is better than blocking code.
[14:10] <karni> nessita: Sure, any time! Thank you.
[14:10] <karni> (.. than blocking code, in terms of testing)
[14:14] <nessita> karni: so, since we use twisted trial testing framework, we can't have clocking code in the test, because that will prevent the twisted reactor to process events
[14:15] <nessita> karni: and in the production code side, we can't also have blocking code since that will freeze any involved UI
[14:15] <karni> nessita: Ah, so it's like you're working on the UI thread, and dispatching events. That would make total sense, thank you!
[14:15] <nessita> karni: yes, exactly
[14:16] <karni> nessita: :) Thanks
[14:16] <nessita> anytime!
[14:16] <nessita> mpt: did that work ok?
[14:17] <mpt> nessita, yes thank you, it helped me report bug 926078
[14:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 926078 in ubuntuone-control-panel (Ubuntu) "Control panel looks like it's hung when waiting for sign-on (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/926078
[14:18] <mpt> nessita, I was actually trying to reproduce bug 760624, which seemed to be closed by mistake, but I couldn't invoke that particular error.
[14:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 760624 in ubuntuone-control-panel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Error message cuts off before end (affects: 2) (heat: 3)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/760624
[14:18] <nessita> mpt: thanks for the report. So, the currently dark grey was a design spec for the controlpanel, and I
[14:19] <nessita> and we're dropping the support for the GTK controlpanel :-/
[14:19] <dobey> mpt: i think that particular string was amde shorter, but would likely still be an issue for other languages
[14:20] <mpt> nessita, I thought this was already Qt, which was why it isn't integrated propertly into System Settings
[14:20] <nessita> mpt: thanks a lot for taking the time to report the bug though :-)
[14:20] <nessita> mpt: nopes, the Qt controlpanel is not on ubuntu yet, should be this incoming week
[14:20] <dobey> mpt: what does "integrated properly into system settings" mean exactly now?
[14:21] <mpt> dobey, the panel opening in the System Settings window, like (for example) the Backup panel does and the Privacy panel will
[14:23] <dobey> mpt: afaik, we've been given no requirements that we have to do that, and we have no plans to do so. hmm
[14:25] <nessita> dobey: our bosses had tha conversationin orlando with jason w (cristian and john were there), and they agreed that the platform team my remove U1 completely from the settings window
[14:26] <nessita> dobey: I'm not sure what the current plan is on the platform side, but we have no resources allocated for integrating with gnome settings for precise
[14:26] <nessita> (mainly FYI)
[14:27] <gatox> nessita, fixed..... i check the other files just in case, and they should be fine
[14:27] <dobey> right. though it seems "language support" and "additional drivers" open as separate apps still as well
[14:27] <nessita> dobey: right
[14:27] <nessita> gatox: ack!
[15:02]  * mandel back
[15:03] <nessita> ralsina: you around?
[15:05] <dobey> oh
[15:05] <dobey> ralsina, mandel: are we doing standup? or no?
[15:09] <mandel> dobey, we have not done it in all week.. so is kinda meh
[15:09] <dobey> indeed
[15:09] <mandel> dobey, I have done my 1-1 with ralsina an hour ago, so he know what I'm up to
[15:25] <nessita> mandel: any idea if ralsina is around?
[15:25] <mandel> nessita, afaik he told me had to me somewhere (no idea where) about now, that is the reason why we had my 1-1 earlier
[15:25] <mandel> nessita, that is all the info I have, sorry if is not very helpful :(
[15:26] <nessita> mandel: is ok
[15:28] <gatox> nessita, well, the sso-migration should be ok..... and i review it with meld
[15:31] <nessita> gatox: ack! :-D
[15:37] <ralsina> nessita: I am here
[15:38] <nessita> ralsina: hola
[15:44] <mandel> alecu, ping
[15:44] <alecu> mandel, ponga
[15:45] <mandel> alecu, I've done your review (running tests at the moment on windows) I have an idea/question, the restful_client, could we don something nice with the with statement?
[15:45] <mandel> alecu, I'm notice that we close it all the time, maybe using with would make it a nicer
[15:46] <mandel> alecu, of course, not for this review
[15:46] <alecu> mandel, I wondered about using "with", yes. But it thought it added complexity... perhaps we can do it in a later branch, yes.
[15:46] <alecu> and... yes.
[15:46] <mandel> alecu, +1 on doing it later :)
[15:46] <mandel> alecu, and +1 on the branch!
[15:46] <alecu> mandel, cool!
[15:47] <alecu> mandel, I think I have not really ran tests on windows, so great that you are testing that too.
[15:47] <alecu> shame on me, yes.
[15:47] <mandel> alecu, I do both all the time, that is also the reason why I did the work on jenkins :)
[15:48] <mandel> alecu, so, if you are lazy and forget, we will see (well, at least in sso, the others fail atm :P)
[15:50] <mandel> alecu, FYI https://jenkins.errormessaging.com/view/Windows/
[15:54] <alecu> mandel, it's very nice! but we should definitely get the Chuck Norris plugin back into jenkins
[15:55] <ralsina> we should get a real SSL certificate. And put it under one.ubuntu.com, too ;-)
[15:56] <mandel> ralsina, +1 on that hehe
[15:56] <mandel> alecu, and +1000000 for Chuck Norris!
[15:57] <ralsina> You don't get the Chuck Norris plugin into jenkins. Chuck Norris is in jenkins if he wants to.
[15:57] <ralsina> mandel: two suns! yay!
[15:59] <mandel> ralsina, yes, and a 3 one should be there soon, u1-client is an easy fix
[16:11] <ralsina> having RSS feeds on a jenkins that is locked behind SSO is quite useless :-(
[16:11] <dobey> welcome to the wonderful world of oauth
[16:11] <dobey> isn't it awesome?
[16:12] <ralsina> dobey: yay
[16:13] <dobey> whee, new u1client uploaded to ubuntu
[16:13] <dobey> think i'll get lunch, then deal with the libu1 changes and getting rhythmbox-ubuntuone in
[16:13] <dobey> and then gwibber
[16:14] <dobey> ralsina: you could write a fairly simply local proxy app which does the oauth bits and gives you the RSS, and have your RSS reader point at it
[16:14] <ralsina> dobey: I may as well click on the RSS on firefox while authenticated, since that shows it correctly, and look every once in a while
[16:15] <ralsina> dobey: probably same effort over the next year ;-)
[16:15] <dobey> eh
[16:15] <dobey> holy wtf
[16:16] <dobey> compiz or unity or maybe x now, just really does not like it when you switch to a VT and then back
[16:16] <dobey> time to switch to twm
[16:19] <ralsina> dobey: that's X. Depends on the driver
[16:21] <dobey> sigh
[16:23] <dobey> alright. lunch time
[16:23] <dobey> bbiab
[17:19] <dobey> lol. mandel's mixed metaphors are great
[17:19] <mandel> dobey, which one?
[17:20] <mandel> I'm kinda aggressive with the u1-client code today :P
[17:20] <dobey> the dinosaur egg ... butterfly effect comment
[17:21] <mandel> hehe
[17:47] <dobey> wth; i just chose "Classic GNOME" on my laptop… and got unity 2d, seemingly running under compiz
[17:49] <mandel> dobey, report that as a bug to translations, the probably mean 'classy gnome' http://www.kbear.fm/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/gnome.jpg
[17:49] <nessita> dobey: surprise! :-P
[17:51] <dobey> spandex, it's a privelege, not a right.
[17:53] <mandel> lol
[17:54] <dobey> at least it wasn't an overfat long-haired leaping gnome though
[18:05] <nessita> dobey: I think I need your u1client  branch... is it landed?
[18:05] <duanedesign> mandel: can you run the u1sdtool in Windows?
[18:06] <dobey> nessita: it's not
[18:06] <dobey> let me poke at that
[18:06] <nessita> dobey: awesome, thanks. ANother question: do we know if the twisted version that has your reactor will be, eventually, in P?
[18:07] <dobey> nessita: i am hoping it will. i'll have to check on that, and do the requested documention update for twisted as well.
[18:08] <dobey> nessita: if it's not, though, i want to get it in as a patch
[18:08] <nessita> dobey: right. I was thinking that I may need to upload the tweak twisted yo our O nightlies.... for example, gatox_lunch can no longer run the sso tests :-/
[18:08] <nessita> dobey: and even though the twisted should be updated officially in trunk, I don't think they'll provide that in older releases, no?
[18:09] <nessita> officially in P, I meant
[18:09] <dobey> why is gatox_lunch still running O?
[18:09] <dobey> the new twisted probably won't get backported, no
[18:09] <nessita> dobey: he did not have time to update. And there will be more people in O and perhaps N (though they should update, yes)
[18:10] <nessita> dobey: for example, u1 server guys... or foundations guys, they may migrate in the future
[18:10] <dobey> nessita: right, and new sso probably won't work on all the old releases
[18:11] <nessita> dobey: my point is, that when your u1client branch lands that uses the gi reactor, devs will not be able to run the suite anymore if they are not in P, no?
[18:11] <dobey> well in u1client the tests can be run with the glib reactor instead of gi, but make check doesn't do it
[18:12] <dobey> u1client has no ui, so having it work with both wasn't as big a problem
[18:12] <mandel> duanedesign, yes, you can
[18:12] <duanedesign> aha
[18:13] <dobey> i wonder what is killing tarmac though
[18:19] <nessita> dobey: so, u1trial --reactor=glib will work, but make check will only work on P?
[18:19] <dobey> yes
[18:19] <dobey> well you don't need to pass --reactor to use the glib reactor as it's the default, but yes
[18:22] <nessita> dobey: ok, if make check will break for systems older than P, we should send an email to the list... or provide the custom twisted in our PPA
[18:24] <dobey> i am very hesitant about shipping new twisted on older versions of ubuntu in our ppa
[18:24] <nessita> dobey: any particular reason?
[18:24] <dobey> it's big and complex and people may be using it for other things, and i don't want to break them
[18:25] <nessita> dobey: fair enough, would you please send an email to the list letting people know that? (make check will not work on < P, and we don't ship custom twisted to < P because of what you said)
[18:26] <dobey> what's really going to suck is the whole "let's make trunk of everything work on old ubuntu versions that we have to support"
[18:28] <nessita> dobey: i know. But that's a problem for 2 weeks from now, approx
[18:29] <ralsina> dobey: could we ship a copy in a different namespace?
[18:29] <dobey> i don't want to think about it right now
[18:29] <ralsina> dobey: fair enough
[18:29] <dobey> my brain is already starting to implode from the idea of it :)
[18:34] <nessita> dobey: would you please remind me how can I confirm if I package is in the CD? I remember I should check the MANIFEST file, but can't find it (I'm looking in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/)
[18:34] <nessita> ah! found it
[18:34] <nessita> was in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-amd64/current/images/
[18:35] <nessita> hum no
[18:35] <dobey> you're looking in the wrong place :)
[18:35] <dobey> cdimage.ubuntu.com
[18:35] <nessita> dobey: :-)
[18:35] <dobey> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[18:36] <nessita> perfect
[18:36] <dobey> the .manifest files lists all the packages for each build
[18:36] <nessita> was checking that python-zope.interface is there, since sso is adding that
[18:36] <nessita> (as new dep, we may drop it again soon)
[18:36] <nessita> (just like twisted-web)
[18:36] <dobey> hrmm
[18:37] <dobey> it is there
[18:37] <dobey> actually, twisted itself depends on it :)
[18:37] <nessita> yes
[18:37] <nessita> right
[18:37] <nessita> but wanted to be 100% sure
[18:37] <nessita> dobey: I'll start uploading sso now
[18:38] <dobey> ok
[18:38] <mandel> twisted does use zope.interface A LOT so we are not to blame :)
[18:38] <dobey> yes it does
[18:38] <dobey> the reactors use it :)
[18:38] <mandel> and protocols etc..
[18:42] <nessita> dobey: you let me know when u1client is uploaded? I need to confirm, but I think this release of cp depends on u1client for real (not for consistency)
[18:43] <nessita> dobey: also, question. What would happen if I upload a package where some dependency is higher than the one available in the repo?
[18:43] <dobey> mandel: hey, i got a proposal too from a spammer. it's in portuguese!
[18:44] <dobey> nessita: u1client 2.99.3 is uplaoded already
[18:44] <dobey> nessita: i did it this morning
[18:44] <nessita> dobey: great, thanks
[18:44] <dobey> nessita: if you upload and set the dependency on something higher than is currently available, the build will sit in depwait until the new dep is available
[18:45] <nessita> dobey: ok, and that's ok? or is something I should try to avoid?
[18:45] <mandel> dobey, is going to be a greeeeeeeeat weekend..
[18:45] <mandel> where are my frosties? I need sugar!!
[18:45] <dobey> nessita: it's not horrible, but we should try to avoid it in general
[18:45] <nessita> dobey: I have another question, if you have a couple of more minutes
[18:45] <nessita> (re packaging)
[18:46] <dobey> nessita: sure. i am switching between irc and other terminal and email and launchpad anyway :)
[18:47] <nessita> dobey: next sso relesae should generate at least 3 binaries (or 4). Do I need to do something special in that case? so far a single source generates a single binary. And I ask rearding procedure, not about adding the .install files
[18:47] <nessita> 3 or 4 binary packages, I meant
[18:48] <dobey> nessita: it will build, but not publish, until an admin approves it. it will sit in BIN NEW until approved
[18:48] <nessita> dobey: do I have to let someone know before that? after that?
[18:49] <dobey> probably good to poke someone. fwiw, i am about to have the same issue with libu1 and the rb plug-in
[19:02] <nessita> dobey: ack to that. So, one more: I modified my GPG key so my ubuntu email address is the primary one, but I just saw that the ubuntu-sso-cliemt that I uploaded was under the canonical address :-/ any idea why?
[19:02] <nessita> and, shall I fix that somehow?
[19:04] <nessita> (ie making another dput for -0ubuntu2)
[19:05] <dobey> no, don't need to do that
[19:05] <nessita> ok, I'm re checking my gpg signature
[19:05] <dobey> your gpg key isn't the issue
[19:05] <nessita> and my DEBMAIL as well
[19:05] <alecu> gatox, nessita, ralsina, dobey: my week would end perfectly if I can get two reviews on this branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntu-sso-client/the-compleat-libsoup/+merge/91481
[19:05] <alecu> care to help me?
[19:05] <dobey> DEBMAIL is the issue
[19:05] <nessita> dobey: ok, found the issue, I changed my DEBMAIL in my PC but not here, already changed
[19:05] <ralsina> alecu: queued
[19:06] <gatox> alecu, on it!
[19:11] <mandel> ok, EOD, EOW for me, oh and EOL
[19:12] <gatox> mandel, eol?
[19:13] <mandel> gatox, end of line, a really bad joke
[19:13] <gatox> jejejejeje
[19:13] <mandel> really really bad..
[19:13] <dobey> MCP
[19:13] <gatox> mandel, in galactica the hybrids say it all the time
[19:13]  * dobey hits mandel with a light cycle
[19:14] <mandel> lol
[19:14] <mandel> all, have a great weekend, if you are in europe, don't leave the house.. i like -10 everywhere but spain where is -1 :P
[19:19] <dobey> why do i have such a desire to get a second monitor now
[19:20] <alecu> bye mandel! buenas noches!
[19:24] <briancurtin2> dobey: three monitors is the best
[19:25] <dobey> briancurtin: i'll be lucky if i can even find 1 more of this model, let alone 2
[19:25] <dobey> and i think it's a bit too big to have 3 of them on my desk anyway
[19:31] <briancurtin> if you ever get four monitors, i will give you a 2x2 stand for free (been trying to get rid of it for 2 years)
[19:32] <gatox> alecu, +1
[19:33] <dobey> i doubt i will do that
[19:34] <ralsina> alecu: your week just ended perfectly. But you still have to work 90 more minutes. Paradox!
[19:35] <alecu> yay!
[19:35] <alecu> ralsina, I've just found another bug around there, so I'll do a bit of time travelling.
[19:35] <alecu> *traveling
[19:35] <ralsina> alecu: ack
[20:11] <dobey> meh, i am not going to get to poke at gwibber today either am i :(
[20:55] <nessita> dobey: guess what! packaging question (last one, I'd guess) :-)
[20:55] <dobey> heh
[20:55] <nessita> dobey: so, I uploaded controlpanel, and this was the accepted email: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/828071/
[20:56] <nessita> dobey: the changed by is correct (@ubuntu.com), but the signed by is @canonical
[20:56] <dobey> nessita: ok
[20:56] <nessita> any idea why?
[20:56] <dobey> nessita: when you reconfigured your gpg key, did you upload the changes back to the keyserver?
[21:02] <alecu> EOS!
[21:02] <alecu> bye all!
[21:09] <nessita> dobey: sorry, power went off thanks to facundo. Awnser is no  :-)
[21:09] <nessita> dobey: I will upload the changes to the sevrer
[21:10] <dobey> nessita: ah, that might be why. i never paid attention to that myself. only if the mail says accepted/rejected/pending/whatever :)
[21:10] <nessita> ;-)
[21:10] <nessita> dobey: you know how can I update my key in the server?
[21:12] <dobey> there's some way to send to server in seahorse
[21:12] <dobey> i think you have to make sure the ubuntu server is selected
[21:12] <dobey> or i think you can do do gpg --send-to-server --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com or something like that
[21:14] <ralsina> EOW for me. I will look at things later tonight, so if anyone needs a late review, mail me, I'll do it.
[21:14] <ralsina> EOW for me. I will look at things later tonight, so if anyone needs a late review, mail me, I'll do it.
[21:14] <ralsina> oops
[21:17] <nessita> dobey: that worked :-)
[21:18] <nessita> dobey: is this ready to re-approve? https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/gi-support/+merge/90227
[21:18] <dobey> nessita: yes, though i haven't sent an e-mail yet :)
[21:19] <nessita> dobey: I need to propose a branch that depends on that one... shall I approve and you send the email before you eod? I don't think anyone will be running client tests until next week
[21:19] <dobey> sure
[21:26] <dobey> man, you'd think it be easier to find a 2 year old lcd monitor, but alas
[21:27] <gatox> dobey, nessita is having internet issues
[21:28] <gatox> and EOD for me!
[21:28] <dobey> gatox: of course. it's that time of day where she has internet issues :)
[21:28] <gatox> dobey, jejejee right
[21:29] <nessita> ok
[21:29] <nessita> net issues!
[21:29] <nessita> anyways, is EOD for me
[21:29] <dobey> heh
[21:29] <nessita> bye all!
[21:43] <tom95> is there any documentation on how to sync notes with ubuntu one, preferably for vala or c?
[21:45] <dobey> notes are synced using the snowy api
[21:45] <dobey> so you'd have to implement that in your app
[21:46] <dobey> you could use the websync plug-in in tomboy as a reference
[21:46] <dobey> i don't think there's a c/vala lib to do snowy
[21:50] <tom95> dobey: uh... are all those files here http://git.gnome.org/browse/tomboy/tree/Tomboy/Addins/WebSyncService required just for ubuntu one note sync or do you know if it can be simpler? :/
[21:52] <dobey> well i'm sure they're required in tomboy
[21:52] <dobey> i'mr esure you wouldn't need them in vala, since it's not mono.