[03:44] <daftykins> wow, never been asked what time was before
[05:00] <EriC^^> what a pun
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> hi EriC^^ :p
[05:03] <EriC^^> hi lotuspsychje
[05:04] <daftykins> criminals in our midst!
[05:04] <daftykins> D:
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> hi daftykins :p
[05:06] <daftykins> allo
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> nihao cfhowlett
[05:17] <cfhowlett> howdy y'all.  So: how large is your /ignore list?  I'm at 19
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> loool
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> 0 here i have ops for n00bs n trollz
[05:18] <cfhowlett> just comparing if I'm truly the impaitent, offensive @**hat I was recently described as.
[05:18] <OerHeks> yeah, lets merge the troll ip's
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> morning OerHeks
[05:19] <OerHeks> hi lotus
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> hmmm
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> do we have a flash alternative yet on ubuntu
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> or should we use chromium/chrome until new solution?
[05:56] <daftykins> yep pepperflash is it i think
[05:56] <OerHeks> there seems to be a pipelight multi ppa https://launchpad.net/~pipelight/+archive/ubuntu/stable with newer wine also
[05:56] <daftykins> i heard of wrappers to use pepper with firefox, but not much point
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> doenst pepper get hacked also?
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> ive tested chromium from terminal many times
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> and after some browsing youl see sandboxed warnings
[05:59] <daftykins> gets updated pretty quickly by Google
[06:00] <daftykins> fixed before adobe fix it :>
[06:00] <daftykins> though i still don't go for chrome as a browser personally
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> yeah ive got more trust on them then adobe for sure
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> mornin lordievader
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: so FF with much care then?
[06:01] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:01] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[06:02] <daftykins> just put flash onto 'always ask' before running lotuspsychje :)
[06:02] <daftykins> that should sort you out
[06:02] <daftykins> then you have to click items to run them
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> but when their malicious, most users will click them anyway
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> its not for me, but for all the ppl i install ubuntu for
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> i always install ubuntu-restricted-extras and if one day flash fails..
[06:03] <daftykins> ah
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> just wondering for a good solution then
[06:03] <daftykins> i wouldn't allow the standard flash 11, so old
[06:04] <daftykins> it's a bit of a mess on Linux really right now :)
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> and a bigger mess on windows too
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> youtube should be better block flash and convert to html5 right away
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> to make users used to it
[06:06] <daftykins> no it's not worse on Windows
[06:07] <daftykins> i can continue using flash with firefox happily :P
[06:07] <daftykins> none of the drama that's gone on in Ubuntu land :)
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> i dont trust adobe, even if its up to date
[06:07] <daftykins> always comes up as HTML5 for me these days
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> you never know there are 0day xploits for flash
[06:08] <lordievader> There can be 0days for any piece of software...
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: true
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: but feels safer on ubuntu then windows for me
[06:08] <lordievader> Living in fear ain't useful.
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> im healthy paranoia
[06:09] <daftykins> ;]
[06:09] <daftykins> it's not safer at all if you're using the ol' v11 on firefox
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> in our country, mass ppl get phoned by 'microsoft' these days in english to ask them if they need help
[06:10] <daftykins> yeah i keep hearing the same
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> with a weird phone number
[06:10] <daftykins> not any locals yet, but folk in England
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> my father almost stepped into it lol
[06:11] <daftykins> doh!
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> i had to tell him, ive installed ubuntu on his pc years ago :p
[06:11] <daftykins> a friends gf at University called me up once and said she'd gotten taken over by some call
[06:11] <lordievader> Yayy, the ext3 driver will be removed :D
[06:11] <daftykins> the machine was Vista back when SP2 was out, but hers was still vanilla
[06:11] <daftykins> lordievader: in wily?
[06:12] <daftykins> or just in the kernel in general?
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> thats how those gangs get information social engeneering
[06:12] <lordievader> In 4.3: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=EXT3-File-System-Drop-4.3
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> ah tnx phoronix is also nice linux news source tnx lordievader
[06:12] <lordievader> Ext2,3 drivers have been obsolete for a while. The ext4 driver provides backwards compatability.
[06:12] <daftykins> 28,000 lines bye bye, nice
[06:13] <daftykins> yeah i think everyone in this channel knows that ;)
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:17] <daftykins> https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/8/31/474
[06:17] <daftykins> looks like Linus isn't keen ;)
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> oh-oh :p
[06:19] <lordievader> Hehe, people... http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34106482#sa-ns_mchannel=rss&ns_source=PublicRSS20-sa
[06:20] <daftykins> i told OerHeks not to sign up but he insisted!
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> hahaha
[06:20]  * daftykins whistles
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> he prolly got 5 affairs already
[06:21] <OerHeks> yeah, all mint users
[06:21] <daftykins> :O
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> hmmm maybe thats why im so paranoia oO
[06:21] <daftykins> scandal!
[06:21] <lordievader> O.o
[06:22]  * lotuspsychje quicly removes scandal pics from Icloud
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> http://giphy.com/gifs/l41m1wh0lQN8ZbNTO
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> A huge congratulations to @veltunas for the #UbuntuGoesSciFi competition. You can enjoy the winning GIF entry here:
[06:26] <daftykins> poor Bones :(
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> isnt stoPPed with 2 p's lol?
[06:30] <daftykins> sure is
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> my phone stoped working :p
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> hmmm alot of ubuntu official wiki's get updated lately
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> thats nice!
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> custommed 5 days ago
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> would be interesting to find only the updated ones
[10:03] <daftykins> any of you folks run digitalocean VPSs?
[10:05] <lordievader> Nope.
[10:05] <lordievader> Their documentation is quite nice though.
[10:05] <daftykins> indeed!
[10:06] <daftykins> just funny getting a hash sum mismatch on their own PPAs just now
[10:26] <daftykins> hehe, i've got to ride my high end bike to the shop to get some brake pads, new seat post and maybe get a brake bled (hydraulic)
[10:26] <daftykins> it's gonna be such a ridiculous slog even along the flat from home here, since i've got my downhill tires on already
[10:26] <daftykins> :D
[10:29] <daftykins> hrmm this guy asking about DVD mounting, does blkid look at optical drives too?
[10:30] <EriC^^> i dont think so
[10:30] <EriC^^> lsblk should show it
[10:31] <daftykins> ah that's the one i've seen you guys use :) thanks!
[10:31] <daftykins> does it require sudo?
[10:32] <lordievader> Thought not.
[10:49] <EriC^^> np
[10:50] <daftykins> that guy PM'd me the whole output :(
[15:48] <daftykins> anyone recall off hand which kernel raring used? (13.04)
[15:48] <daftykins> maybe ubottu has it
[15:49] <daftykins> !info linux-generic raring
[15:49] <daftykins> our survey says no
[15:51] <lordievader> I guess it is mentioned in the release notes.
[15:52] <daftykins> sure is :> my guess of 3.8 was right \o/
[16:55] <daftykins> i've gotta clock out, if joyce seeks me out - they've got sleep resume issues, i was suggesting moving their trusty install to the vivid HWE from the utopic HWE but got into package hell
[16:57] <EriC^^> ok
[16:58] <daftykins> laters :)
[16:58] <EriC^^> later :)


[11:42] <D4RKS1D3> #maas
[11:42] <D4RKS1D3> sorry
[11:43] <D4RKS1D3> Hi everyone
[13:05] <beisner> y
[13:05] <beisner> lol
[13:05] <beisner> o/
[13:06]  * beisner tells the next step in his laptop upgrade, yes, please, move along
[14:19] <lazyPower> beisner \o
[14:21] <beisner> lazyPower, howdy
[14:22] <beisner> whew.  just upped my main rig from vivid to wily to xenial dev and survived.
[14:22] <beisner> not that i expect anything less though!
[14:36] <lazyPower> nice :D
[15:21] <tiagogomes__> Hi, I have a question regarding running JuJu in OpenStack. Does it create persistent storage?
[15:22] <tiagogomes__> Does it create persistent storage for the VMs that are running the services?
[15:28] <lazyPower> tiagogomes__ : Juju allows you to model persistent storage, so it depends on the charm. There are docs about this feature here:
[15:28] <lazyPower> tiagogomes__ : https://jujucharms.com/docs/1.25/storage
[15:30] <tiagogomes__> lazyPower thanks
[16:02] <lazyPower> icey ping
[16:03] <icey> lazyPower
[16:03] <lazyPower> disregard, i actually need to ping beisner
[16:24] <beisner> lazyPower, yo
[16:40] <matt_dupre> Just noticed a charm in the store that hasn't picked up some changes to the corresponding bzr trunk branch.  Could someone please take a look and let me know if I'm doing anything wrong?
[16:40] <matt_dupre> The charm is https://jujucharms.com/u/project-calico/bird/trusty/ and the branch is https://code.launchpad.net/~project-calico/charms/trusty/bird/trunk
[16:41] <matt_dupre> The last 3 revisions haven't been reflected in the store (3rd was only pushed just now, but the other 2 are old and should have appeared long ago)
[16:43] <lazyPower> matt_dupre: We're aware of some ingestion issues that started on Friday
[16:43] <matt_dupre> 2 of these revisions date back to August though (!)
[16:43] <lazyPower> matt_dupre: https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/jujucharms.com/issues/189
[16:44] <lazyPower> may want to chime in on this bug and subscribe to it
[16:49] <matt_dupre> OK, so I've looked at the corresponding link to api.jujucharms.com/... (i.e. the view code links) and actually that has been updated for the old changes.  I double checked with a copy of the charm downloaded by `juju deployer` and that was also good.  Looks like it's only the "10 revisions" bit displaying the history that's wrong
[16:51] <matt_dupre> Thanks for the link though: I'll watch the latest change and update it if it doesn't work.  Would you like an issue for the history box in the charm store not updating properly?
[16:54] <lazyPower> matt_dupre : subscribe here, seems applicable - https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/jujucharms.com/issues/196
[16:58] <matt_dupre> lazyPower: thanks, done
[17:03] <gnuoy> Has anyone else been having charm assembly problems with ruamel.yaml 0.10.13 ?
[17:06] <gnuoy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14470761/ <- seems to be at the point when config.yaml from multiple layers is combined
[17:06] <gnuoy> downgrading ruamel.yaml in the virtualenv seems to fix it
[17:21] <lazyPower> gnuoy: can you file a bug against the charm build process?
[17:21] <lazyPower> gnuoy: we use ruamel to preserve the ordering of yaml items
[17:21] <lazyPower> gnuoy: github.com/juju/charm-tools
[17:22] <gnuoy> lazyPower, I files an issue already, is that the same thing?
[17:22] <gnuoy> https://github.com/juju/charm-tools/issues/88
[17:23] <lazyPower> gnuoy: perfect. Thanks for the report. We need to either take this up with upstream or pin the version of ruamel
[17:23] <gnuoy> kk
[18:09] <natefinch> ericsnow: is it possible to setresource without any data?
[18:11] <ericsnow> natefinch: probably
[18:14] <natefinch> ericsnow: I'll let you know ;)
[18:14] <ericsnow> natefinch: :)
[18:15] <natefinch> looks likely... but you never know on these edge cases
[19:36] <pmatulis> for LXD local provider. will the user need to manually manage images (delete and import) in order to keep things fresh? this will include both the LXC host cache and the chosen (local or remote) image store i imagine
[19:38] <jrwren> pmatulis: I think so, yes.