[06:54] <mup> PR snapd#12011 opened: systemd: add `WantedBy=default.target` to snap mount units <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12011>
[09:15] <mup> PR snapd#12012 opened: tests: Work-around non-functional --wait on systemctl <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12012>
[10:00] <mup> PR snapd#12013 opened: Add flipperzero u2f <Created by ikilledmypc> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12013>
[11:45] <mup> PR snapd#12014 opened: tests: disable microk8s test on 16.04 <Simple 😃> <Flaky Test> <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12014>
[11:50] <mup> PR snapd#12015 opened: tests: reenable microk8s test on 16.04 <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12015>
[12:00] <mup> PR snapd#12013 closed: Add flipperzero u2f <Created by ikilledmypc> <Closed by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12013>
[14:16] <mup> PR snapd#12014 closed: tests: disable microk8s test on 16.04 <Simple 😃> <Flaky Test> <Created by mardy> <Merged by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12014>
[16:08] <mup> PR snapcraft#3859 opened: Add binding for amdgpu.ids <Created by sergio-costas> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3859>


[16:00] <cjwatson> good afternoon
[16:00] <robbiew> good morning
[16:00] <slangasek> morning
[16:00] <TheMuso> Hey folks.
[16:00] <robbiew> early morning TheMuso
[16:00] <mvo> hello
[16:01] <robbiew> evand is on vacation today, right?
[16:01] <cjwatson> yep
[16:01] <mvo> has scott joined us officially now btw?
[16:02] <cjwatson> once he's back from vacation ...
[16:02] <robbiew> yes...well not officially until UDS
[16:02] <robbiew> right
[16:02] <robbiew> doko: joining?
[16:02] <doko> online
[16:02] <robbiew> cool
[16:03] <robbiew> #startmeeting
[16:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:03. The chair is robbiew.
[16:03] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:03] <robbiew> I've posted the agenda on the wiki
[16:03] <robbiew> [LINK] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/20081126#Agenda
[16:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/20081126#Agenda
[16:04] <robbiew> [TOPIC] UDS!!!!
[16:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  UDS!!!!
[16:04] <robbiew> I *think* I've gotten all the sessions scheduled
[16:04] <robbiew> you should be able to see them at the summit.ubuntu.com link
[16:05] <robbiew> not sure if those without admin access can or cannot
[16:05] <mvo> I see no link to see a schedule
[16:05] <TheMuso> Nothing for me either.
[16:05] <robbiew>  http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/
[16:05] <robbiew> nothing under Schedule?
[16:05] <mvo> no "Schedule" for me :)
[16:05] <robbiew> hmm...must not be open to the public yet
[16:05] <TheMuso> No
[16:06] <cjwatson> mvo,TheMuso: are you both registered to attend?
[16:06] <mvo> I think so
[16:06] <robbiew> strange
[16:06] <cjwatson> ... yes, apparently so
[16:06] <cjwatson> -> pitti
[16:06]  * mvo is actually pretty sure
[16:06] <TheMuso> Yes
[16:07] <cjwatson> I've asked him on #ubuntu-devel
[16:08] <robbiew> cjwatson: thnx
[16:08] <cjwatson> 16:07 <pitti> cjwatson: ATM yes, according to Scott, since it's still preliminary
[16:08] <cjwatson> anyway, interested people can follow there
[16:09] <robbiew> I've also created a roundtable section on the wiki
[16:09] <robbiew> so at least we have some topics ready to go
[16:09] <robbiew> feel free to add
[16:09] <slangasek> where on the wiki?
[16:09] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/UDS/December2008
[16:10] <robbiew> under "Roundtable Topics" ;)
[16:10] <robbiew> only have a few
[16:10] <cjwatson> I suggested that suitable roundtable topics would be general development discussions that aren't likely to need to turn into implementation plans
[16:10] <cjwatson> and are of reasonably broad interest
[16:11] <cjwatson> please recheck summit.u.c?
[16:12] <robbiew> well moving on
[16:12] <james_w> hi all, sorry I'm late
[16:12] <slangasek> recheck it for a calendar?  I can't see one, still
[16:12] <james_w> you can see the schedule if you go to /foundations/
[16:12] <robbiew> heh...directly
[16:12] <robbiew> good trick
[16:13] <TheMuso> Cool.
[16:13] <mvo> nice
[16:13] <doko> james_w: could you elaborate on distributed development toolchain in the wiki?
[16:14] <james_w> doko: now, or expand on it in the wiki?
[16:14] <cjwatson> doko: (doesn't mean toolchain as in the compiler, means toolchain as in the tools we use for dist. dev.)
[16:14] <doko> james_w: later in the wiki
[16:15] <james_w> doko: sure, but what cjwatson said.
[16:15] <robbiew> as for session leaders, we don't have to hash that out here
[16:15] <james_w> suggestions for a better title are welcom
[16:15] <cjwatson> james_w: perhaps "tools" or "toolset"
[16:15] <james_w> toolset it is, thanks
[16:16] <robbiew> I'll send email or irc folks with sessions that I *think* they should lead
[16:16] <robbiew> then we can go from there
[16:16] <robbiew> feel free to let me know if there's any of them that you are dying to lead ;)
[16:16] <cjwatson> if you need to get a brain-dump of anything from me, please do so by close of play tomorrow
[16:17] <cjwatson> otherwise you'll probably miss your chance
[16:17] <robbiew> right...I think we've covered them all, so I'm fine
[16:17]  * robbiew promises NOT to call cjwatson on his mobile
[16:17] <robbiew> heh
[16:18] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Bugs
[16:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bugs
[16:18] <cjwatson> feel free to SMS if it's urgent, then I can decide when/how to respond ;-)
[16:18] <robbiew> ok
[16:19] <robbiew> besides reviewing the Milestoned/Targeted as usual, there will be a major effort to address bugs during the release
[16:19] <robbiew> and then hopefully establish this as the "norm" in subsequent releases
[16:20] <robbiew> Matt has told us that he will support dropping features if we deem it necessary to fix a reasonable amount of bugs
[16:20] <robbiew> our trick is to find that balance
[16:21] <cjwatson> I'm going to extend the bugfix-history thing I hacked up, or pass it over to somebody for extensions
[16:21] <cjwatson> (http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bugfix-history/plots/month-fixed.png)
[16:21] <robbiew> cjwatson: ok, thanks
[16:22] <cjwatson> if we pushed the fix-upload rate up by a couple of hundred a month, we'd be able to start decreasing the number of outstanding bugs
[16:22] <cjwatson> so even a little bit of rebalancing here could be really very useful
[16:23] <robbiew> moving on
[16:23] <cjwatson> (over the last six months, the net increase in open bugs comes to about a thousand)
[16:24] <robbiew> yuk
[16:24] <cjwatson> (out of 48000 or so)
[16:24] <robbiew> IMO that's a tremendously large backlog
[16:24] <robbiew> is there any effort to close bugs that we simply will not fix
[16:24] <cjwatson> it is huge, although that's the whole archive; I haven't filtered out just main there
[16:25] <cjwatson> closing bugs that we simply won't fix is politically tricky; we do have a state for it but of course it's rarely much comfort to the hapless reporter
[16:25] <robbiew> right
[16:26] <slangasek> one thing I've noticed when doing merges is that there are a number of packages that simply don't have anybody watching their bugs in main
[16:26] <cjwatson> I think we should probably do it a little bit more than we do, though
[16:26] <cjwatson> we err on the conservative side there
[16:26] <slangasek> because one package I merged had over half its bugs mis-assigned to the package
[16:26] <slangasek> and I was wondering if we shouldn't figure out some way to make sure we have /someone/ monitoring bugs for each package, on some level
[16:26] <doko> slangasek: but this is intentional until now
[16:27] <robbiew> cjwatson: perhaps a better sounding reason, like "Resources Unavailable to Fix"
[16:27] <slangasek> doko: well, one of the effects is that bugs that might be trivial for the person who touched-it-last to fix may languish indefinitely
[16:27] <doko> or just distinguish between state and reason?
[16:28]  * robbiew sometimes misses bugzilla
[16:28] <cjwatson> I think there may perhaps be more effective ways to get through the backlog than to end up getting into thousands of little separate arguments about whether bugs should remain open
[16:28] <robbiew> true
[16:29] <cjwatson> in many of the cases the bugs really are pretty trivial and reporters are rightly annoyed that it's taken us so long to get round to them
[16:29] <cjwatson> I'd like to limit the scope of what we pay attention to of course, it shouldn't be all 48000
[16:30] <robbiew> in my prior job, I managed a team that's entire job was monitoring the bugs...ensuring both submitters and those assigned to fix were paying attention
[16:30] <robbiew> maybe we need a team like that...but that's way out of the scope of this meeting :)
[16:30] <cjwatson> that's Henrik's team
[16:30] <cjwatson> conceptually anyway
[16:30] <robbiew> changing gears
[16:31] <james_w> I see a "Foundations bugs" discussion on the schedule, is that to discuss this
[16:31] <james_w> or is that a meeting with gmb from launchpad to discuss how launchpad could help us more?
[16:31] <cjwatson> the "Foundations bugs" session is a slot for us with the Launchpad Bugs team
[16:31] <cjwatson> right, the latter
[16:31] <robbiew> we can bring this up in a Roundtable
[16:31] <cjwatson> if any of you have been using the launchpadlib APIs for bugs, that'd be a good place to discuss your experiences and request extensions, for instance
[16:31] <james_w> cool, gmb got plenty of that from us in Lexington, he'll be well prepared :-)
[16:32] <cjwatson> (main/restricted comes to 30000 bugs)
[16:32] <mvo> better launchpad support++
[16:32] <TheMuso> I don't use launchpad api, but I do use email.
[16:32] <TheMuso> And email still lacks things like changing the package for a bug, as opposed to opening a new task, and invalidating the other.
[16:32] <james_w> a session discussing what bugs to target, how to find them etc. would probably be a good one to have. robbiew: is that what you meant for the roundtable?
[16:33] <robbiew> james_w: yes
[16:33] <james_w> great
[16:33] <cjwatson> find> and track on an ongoing basis so that we can (a) not lose things we decided we wanted to fix (b) measure our progress (c) show off our progress if it's any good :-)
[16:33] <cjwatson> the QA team has offered to help there
[16:34] <robbiew> right, I should point out that this is across the entire Ubuntu team...not just Foundations
[16:35] <robbiew> anything else on bugs?
[16:35] <robbiew> .
[16:35] <robbiew> ..
[16:35] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Sponsorship Queue
[16:35] <MootBot> New Topic:  Sponsorship Queue
[16:36] <robbiew> I've noticed some include sponsorship queue work in their activity and some don't
[16:36] <robbiew> is everyone supposed to be doing this?
[16:37]  * robbiew is still new
[16:37] <cjwatson> everyone who has upload privileges should be spending an hour a week on sponsorship
[16:37] <robbiew> ah, ok
[16:38] <cjwatson> (i.e. all members of ubuntu-core-dev or ubuntu-dev)
[16:38] <TheMuso> Well perhaps shouldn't we remove bugs from the sponsorship queue that are otherwise waiting for something to happen? I have checked the queue a few times, and I still see bugs that are waiting for something from the person who's work is being sponsored etc.
[16:39] <james_w> I prefer not to do that
[16:39] <TheMuso> I personally would find things easier if the main-sponsors queue only had bugs showing that need attention from a sponsor.
[16:39] <slangasek> so s/shouldn't/should/, you mean?
[16:39] <james_w> daniel just changed http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/ to show who the last commenter was
[16:39] <mvo> it would be nice to have it sorted by new item, but it seems to be difficult (from a technical POV)
[16:39] <slangasek> mvo: LP has "bug age" and "last touched" sort orders?
[16:40] <TheMuso> slangasek: yes
[16:40] <mvo> slangasek: right, I should try that, I was refering to the sponsoring page itself, but I should try lp I guess
[16:40] <TheMuso> james_w: Ok thats nice to know, thanks.
[16:40] <james_w> TheMuso: core-dev are in bold for easy scanning, does that work for you?
[16:41] <slangasek> ah; I've stopped using the sponsoring page in favor of the LP view @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-main-sponsors
[16:41] <TheMuso> james_w: Not really,
[16:41] <james_w> TheMuso: perhaps you would like to talk to Daniel about changing it so that it would
[16:41] <TheMuso> james_w: Bold only is useful if I ask what font/style the text is in from the reader.
[16:41] <mvo> slangasek: that view (with "last touch") is what I want, thanks
[16:41] <TheMuso> james_w: I'll try his page, and the URL slangasek gave and see whether any of those work better for me.
[16:42] <robbiew> TheMuso: don't some readers change the pitch of voice to indicate bold?
[16:42] <TheMuso> robbiew: Its not possible in orca at the moment.
[16:42] <robbiew> ah
[16:42] <TheMuso> I'll double check, but I don't think so.
[16:43] <TheMuso> robbiew: I also use a text mode browser for some things, as I find it more efficient, as orca+firefox is still somewhat clunky.
[16:44] <robbiew> well, if I'd appreciate it, if people could be sure to mention any sponsorship work in their reports...no big details needed
[16:45] <robbiew> moving on to a topic I'm sure we all love
[16:45] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Google Calendars
[16:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  Google Calendars
[16:46] <robbiew> I know it's a pain in the @$$
[16:46] <TheMuso> No kidding.
[16:46] <slangasek> the mail said we were supposed to receive invites to set up accounts? I haven't received one yet
[16:46]  * mvo neither
[16:46] <robbiew> you can setup yourself
[16:46] <robbiew> one sec, let me find the link
[16:47] <mvo> is there a wiki page or something that we can follow?
[16:47] <robbiew> http://partnerpage.google.com/canonical.com
[16:47] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://partnerpage.google.com/canonical.com
[16:47] <cjwatson> if you set it up yourself it won't be in the canonical.com domain, will it?
[16:47] <robbiew> yes
[16:47] <cjwatson> ask Jeremy Northeast for a password, he's been doing that
[16:47] <robbiew> I did
[16:47] <robbiew> what happens is that you have to provide a canonical.com address
[16:47] <robbiew> and it sends a verification email
[16:47] <slangasek> oh, I /just/ received login info
[16:47] <robbiew> heh
[16:48] <cjwatson> robbiew: ah
[16:48] <slangasek> hrm, but he doesn't say what I'm supposed to do with the l/p info
[16:48] <robbiew> slangasek: hmm
[16:48]  * robbiew looks for the link he used
[16:48] <cjwatson> slangasek: http://www.google.com/calendar/hosted/canonical.com
[16:48] <slangasek> ok
[16:49] <robbiew> cjwatson: thnx
[16:49] <robbiew> that's probably enough on that subject
[16:50] <robbiew> see warthogs if you want more opinions/info than you ever thought you needed
[16:50] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Armel specific build fixes
[16:50] <MootBot> New Topic:  Armel specific build fixes
[16:50] <robbiew> doko: this is yours :)
[16:51] <doko> well, yes. there are some bugs tagged ftbfs-armel
[16:52] <doko> these should get some attention, many of those are kde related, but not all.
[16:52] <james_w> any news on a porter box? I know it's not always required, but it would sometimes help.
[16:52] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=ftbfs-armel
[16:53] <doko> http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ might give some hints as well. note that the build failure on armel doesn't mean it doesn't occur on other archs, it's not yet built there
[16:53] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ might give some hints as well. note that the build failure on armel doesn't mean it doesn't occur on other archs, it's not yet built there
[16:53] <cjwatson> james_w: we're due to get one, but waiting on hardware
[16:53] <cjwatson> but it's definitely on davidm's list
[16:53] <james_w> thanks
[16:53] <cjwatson> I agree that it would help quite a bit
[16:53] <james_w> on a related note, if I wanted access to porter boxes would I just ask IS?
[16:53] <cjwatson> it's also useful if people could look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing-ports/jaunty_probs.html and try to diagnose uninstallability
[16:54] <cjwatson> that's often perfectly feasible with no hardware but a bit of creativity
[16:54] <cjwatson> any Canonical developer can ask to be added to the porting_team group, which gives access to all the porting boxes
[16:54] <doko> cjwatson: I usually test uninstallability on an armel box itself by trying an apt-get install, the page alone doesn't help that much
[16:54] <cjwatson> file an RT request
[16:55] <cjwatson> doko: I wasn't speaking theoretically; I have been using that page to help with installability problems, despite having no armel hardware
[16:55] <cjwatson> doko: yes, it takes a little bit longer because you have to use dpkg -I on an archive to figure out what's wrong, but it's not that bad
[16:55] <slangasek> doko: you pung me last week while I was in Lexington about an armel failure you wanted me to look at, and I've misplaced the reference; do you still need me to look at it, and if so can you remind me the package?
[16:55] <mvo> I guess we could simulate something with a bit of "apt-get install -O Apt::Architecuture=armel" magic
[16:56] <doko> slangasek: no, fixed it
[16:56] <mvo> (to get better diagnosis why something is uninstallable)
[16:56] <doko> libgda
[16:56] <cjwatson> mvo: if you can put together a recipe, that would be generally very useful
[16:56] <slangasek> ok
[16:56] <mvo> cjwatson: will do after the meeting, sounds like a fun hack
[16:57] <robbiew> 3 minutes left
[16:57] <robbiew> doko is it okay to move the next agenda item to next week?
[16:58] <doko> sure
[16:58] <robbiew> thn
[16:58] <robbiew> thnx
[16:58] <robbiew> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:58] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[16:58]  * TheMuso will be traveling this time next week.
[16:58] <robbiew> right
[16:58] <robbiew> cjwatson is gone for two weeks
[16:59] <robbiew> cjwatson: tomorrow is your last day, right?
[16:59] <cjwatson> yeah, it's looking like it
[16:59]  * robbiew takes a deep breath and assures himself that "HE WILL BE OKAY"
[16:59] <robbiew> lol
[17:00] <james_w> all the best cjwatson, you will be missed at UDS.
[17:00] <cjwatson> thanks!
[17:00] <robbiew> #endmeeting
[17:00] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:00.
[17:00] <mvo> yeah, all the best!
[17:00] <robbiew> yep...and I'll have you on speed-text
[17:00] <robbiew> :P
[17:01] <robbiew> thanks all...good meeting
[17:01] <TheMuso> Thanks.
[17:01] <ara> hello :-)
[17:01] <schwuk> hi ara
[17:06] <pedro_> hello
[17:06] <pedro_> sbeattie: ogasawara ping?
[17:06] <sbeattie> hey
[17:07]  * ogasawara waves
[17:08] <ogasawara> do we have an agenda for today?
[17:08] <pedro_> i don't see any agenda item for today, does anybody has anything to add or shall we do a quickie ?
[17:08] <pedro_> i have just one reminder ;-)
[17:08] <cr3> perhaps we could mention topics relating to uds?
[17:19] <pedro_> ok.. there's a lot to do on the SRU side: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[17:20] <pedro_> esp on hardy/intrepid, if you can help , please enable the proposed repositories and give feedback on those reports
[17:21] <ogasawara> re QA UDS specs, they should be listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Specs
[17:22] <pedro_> yep and on that topic there's also : http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/qa/
[17:28] <pedro_> any other business?
[17:28] <ogasawara> none here
[17:28] <ara> nop, but thanks for the reminder on the specs for the uds
[17:29] <ara> I was on holidays last week and I am trying to catch things up
[17:30] <pedro_> let's wrap then, thanks everybody!
[17:30] <ara> thanks!


[07:44]  * bryceh waves
[10:26] <tjaalton> bryceh: hey, it's a feature that the bug graps cease to update once the release is out?
[10:26] <tjaalton> graphs too
[10:35] <RAOF_> bryce, tjaalton, mlankhorst: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/meeting/21575/desktop-r-hybrid-graphics-user-experience/ is scheduled for tomorrow, 10am
[10:35] <mlankhorst> yeah
[10:35] <mlankhorst> that's for the design right?
[10:35] <tjaalton> general xorg session at 9.. ugh
[10:37] <mlankhorst> weee
[10:37] <mlankhorst> yeah friday all sessions are suddenly relevant
[10:37] <tjaalton> actually, all the xorg sessions are tomorrow
[10:37] <tjaalton> thursday :)
[10:37] <mlankhorst> er thursday
[10:47] <tjaalton> bryceh: fyi https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652247
[10:48] <tjaalton> and then there's https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=624880 for wacom
[10:48] <tjaalton> was looking for the bug about the hybrid ui tho..
[10:52] <bryceh> tjaalton, thanks
[11:04] <RAOF_> tjaalton: There's a bug for hybrid ui?
[11:04] <tjaalton> RAOF_: well I'd hope so, since airlied has mentioned interacting with the gnome guys a few times in the past
[11:05] <RAOF_> Fair call :)
[11:05] <tjaalton> might just ask him
[11:06] <tjaalton> "However until that glorious future arrives I've written an autoconfigure
[11:06] <tjaalton> patch. I'm shipping this in F17 while I kick at GNOME."
[11:07] <tjaalton> this was about the autobinding patch
[11:09] <RAOF_> Oh, yeah.
[11:09] <RAOF_> I guess we want the unity guys to also handle binding GPUs, too.
[11:09] <tjaalton> but the offload support is in the same boat
[11:14] <mlankhorst> it's still bugged
[11:14] <tjaalton> sure
[11:14] <mlankhorst> and i forgot what exact patch buggd it :(
[11:14] <tjaalton> just talking about the ui :)
[11:15] <tjaalton> oh the autobinding patch we have?
[11:16] <mlankhorst> I mean that there was a regression where xserver worked before and bugged down which I noticed during xdc2012
[11:19] <tjaalton> yeah same here
[11:19] <tjaalton> but I think it was the patch that unborked ati
[11:20] <mlankhorst> yeah I need to create a bug for that and sru it
[11:24] <tjaalton> sru what? we can't drop that patch :)
[11:24] <mlankhorst> i mean make a fix and sru it
[11:24] <tjaalton> yeah
[11:24] <mlankhorst> unfortunately I can't test on ati right now :/
[11:25] <tjaalton> and my testing on the t420s is pretty useless until nouveau supports acceleration on it..
[11:25] <mlankhorst> thats why i love this eee
[11:25] <mlankhorst> nva8 :D
[11:25] <tjaalton> anyway, sounds like fun times ahead for the unity guys if we're to support 'proper' hybrid
[11:29] <RAOF_> Eh, it's not that hard.
[11:31] <tjaalton> great then :)
[11:32] <mlankhorst> oh finally got nouveau back listed
[11:36] <mlankhorst> now to get left4dead2 running:D
[11:39] <bryceh> RAOF, I've reviewed sru bug #1070795 and it looks ready to be accepted into -proposed.  It's probably safe to roll straight into quantal via the experimental update exception policy, but I went ahead and specified a test case and validation steps for it.
[11:54] <RAOF_> bryceh: Accepted like a BOSS.
[11:55] <bryceh> raoF, awesome thanks
[13:42] <mlankhorst> sync
[15:06] <tjaalton> http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?74842-Ubuntu-Plans-To-Stick-To-quot-Stable-GNOME-quot&p=294403#post294403
[15:06] <tjaalton> hah
[15:20] <mlankhorst> :-D
[15:21] <mlankhorst> first i was annoyed
[15:21] <mlankhorst> then i had to laugh
[17:07] <mlankhorst> bryce: is there a team dinner tonight?
[22:39] <Sarvatt> StFS: if you didn't see, kwin 4.9.3 will have the slowdown fix, it was using a multisample fbconfig after they started getting advertised


[09:39] <pavlushka> Good day everyone :)
[10:07] <Kilos> hi pav
[10:07] <Kilos> ai!
[15:40] <zaki> wb pavlushka and dipraw
[16:14] <pavlushka> zaki: hey, whassup?
[16:29] <zaki> pavlushka: how are you?
[16:30] <pavlushka> I am cool, thanks, what about you?
[16:30] <zaki> I'm oky :)


[00:47] <jac_cplane> custom image no longer boots in 2.2.2 - works in 2.2.0
[00:48] <jac_cplane> i have two maas servers side by side.  one is 2.2.2 and one is 2.2.0.     I load the same custom image into both.   I can boot fine with 2.2.0 but get a image-not-found in 2.2.2
[00:48] <jac_cplane> any help?
[01:18] <roaksoax> jac_cplane: boot-resources instead of boot-resource
[01:18] <roaksoax> jac_cplane: and check that your machine doesn't have a minimum kernel set that's no longer available
[01:32] <jac_cplane> yes I figured out the typo
[01:32] <jac_cplane> where can I check min kernel
[01:34] <jac_cplane> no minimum kernel is selected
[01:34] <jac_cplane> i'm filling out a bug-report now
[01:36] <roaksoax> jac_cplane: two places, 1, the machine itsself, 2 the settings page
[01:36] <jac_cplane> please see Bug #1731709 r
[01:36] <jac_cplane> setting page is set to no min kernel
[01:36] <jac_cplane> nothing on the machine
[01:37] <jac_cplane> custom image works on 2.2.0  but not on 2.2.2
[01:37] <roaksoax> jac_cplane: i dont think this is an issue with the custom iamge. MAAS doens't pxe boot cusotm images. MAAS boots into ubuntu to deploy custom images
[01:38] <roaksoax> jac_cplane: i've seen that issue before i can't remember when
[01:39] <roaksoax> jac_cplane: are there no logs in maas.log or rackd.log that show why it failed to boot
[01:39] <roaksoax> ?
[01:39] <roaksoax> i think that what it shows is just a side effect
[01:39] <jac_cplane> i cannot see anhything in the logs
[01:42] <jac_cplane> I do this this error in maas.log
[01:43] <jac_cplane> Nov 11 16:44:10 MAAS maas.preseed: [info] MACH2: custom network and storage options are only supported on Ubuntu. Using flat storage layout.
[01:43] <roaksoax> that's not related though
[01:44] <jac_cplane> yes - i agree
[01:44] <jac_cplane> I have a 2.2.0 side by side with 2.2.2 - works fine with 2.2.0
[01:45] <jac_cplane> cannot find any other error in the logs.  but the boot console does show the error.  in the but report
[01:45] <jac_cplane> this appears after the error in maas.log
[01:45] <jac_cplane> Nov 11 13:46:56 MAAS maas.node: [error] MACH2: Marking node failed: Installation failed (refer to the installation log for more information).
[01:46] <jac_cplane> not sure where installation log is
[01:47] <jac_cplane> found it.
[01:47] <jac_cplane> Traceback (most recent call last):
[01:47] <jac_cplane>   File "/tmp/tmpa_i9n7t_/target/curtin/curtin-hooks.py", line 595, in <module>
[01:47] <jac_cplane>     main()
[01:47] <jac_cplane>   File "/tmp/tmpa_i9n7t_/target/curtin/curtin-hooks.py", line 537, in main
[01:47] <jac_cplane>     curthooks.write_files(cfg, target)
[01:50] <jac_cplane> AttributeError: module 'curtin.commands.curthooks' has no attribute 'write_files'
[01:50] <jac_cplane> Unexpected error while running command.
[01:50] <jac_cplane> this is the error
[01:50] <jac_cplane>   File "/tmp/tmpa_i9n7t_/target/curtin/curtin-hooks.py", line 595, in <module>
[01:52] <mup> Bug #1731709 opened: centos custom images won't boot MAAS 2.2.2 <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1731709>
[01:54] <roaksoax> jac_cplane: i've asked more questions on the bug
[01:54] <roaksoax> jac_cplane: when you provide all the info please mark it as 'new' again
[01:54] <roaksoax> jac_cplane: also, I think this is an issue with curtin, maybe they regressed somethign
[01:56] <roaksoax> jac_cplane: it seems it has, how did you create that custom image ?
[04:42] <jac_cplane> thanks  i will provide more details
[04:42] <jac_cplane> dont remember how we created the image.  it was created when we had maas 2.0
[20:26] <jac_cplane> can anyone help with Bug #1731709
[20:28] <jac_cplane>   AttributeError: module 'curtin.commands.curthooks' has no attribute 'write_files'
[20:28] <jac_cplane> File "/tmp/tmpngh0fprp/target/curtin/curtin-hooks.py", line 537, in main
[21:26] <jac_cplane> please see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/curtin/+bug/1731805
[21:26] <jac_cplane> and  https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1731709
[21:26] <jac_cplane> who can help?
[21:48] <roaksoax> jac_cplane: where did you get that custom image?
[21:49] <jac_cplane> it was made from instructions from canonical
[21:49] <jac_cplane> the image is not the problem
[21:50] <jac_cplane> the image works with curtin 505 but not on curtin 532
[21:50] <roaksoax> jac_cplane: i see that now, but i need to understand where that image came from
[21:50] <roaksoax> jac_cplane: what version of the inage generator is the one you used to create the new image
[21:50] <jac_cplane> from our own repo.  I can put the instructions we used in the maas bug
[21:50] <roaksoax> ?
[21:50] <jac_cplane> maas 2.1
[21:51] <jac_cplane> it was created using maas 2.1
[21:51] <roaksoax> jac_cplane: right but did you use maas inage builder with instructions provided by a support engineer or did you manaully build that image yourself?
[21:51] <jac_cplane> the image was done based on this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1646847
[21:52] <jac_cplane>     wget https://people.canonical.com/~iatrou/curtin-hooks-20170110.py.gz -O - | gunzip > curtin-hooks.py
[21:52] <jac_cplane>     wget http://images.maas.io/ephemeral-v2/daily/centos70/amd64/20160801_01/root-tgz -O centos7-root.tgz
[21:52] <jac_cplane>     mkdir centos7-root && cd centos7-root
[21:52] <jac_cplane>     sudo tar -zxvf ../centos7-root.tgz
[21:52] <jac_cplane>     sudo cp ../curtin-hooks.py curtin/
[21:52] <jac_cplane>     sudo chown root: curtin/curtin-hooks.py
[21:52] <jac_cplane>     sudo chmod 755 curtin/curtin-hooks.py
[21:52] <jac_cplane>     sudo tar -zcvf ../centos7-root-netfix.tgz .
[21:53] <jac_cplane> we created the image on the instruction from a canonical support engineer.  dont rmembe who.
[21:54] <roaksoax> jac_cplane: right so it seems you created an image from an unsupported path, which is a problem, that said curtin seem to have changed which is whats brraking you
[21:55] <roaksoax> jac_cplane: the wuickest fix is to change your image to ise futil from where it has been moved rather than where it is being imported
[21:55] <jac_cplane> those instructions were given to us by Michael Iatrou
[21:57] <jac_cplane> can you repeat your last comment. I don't understand
[21:57] <roaksoax> jac_cplane: please paste those instructions in yhe bug and ill deal with it tomorrow
[21:57] <jac_cplane> ok
[21:58] <jac_cplane> thanks
[22:03] <jac_cplane> done


[01:06] <pleia2> I'll finish up the last couple
[01:15] <pleia2> nhandler: summaries are done, Ubuntu Stats, Weekly Ubuntu Development Team Meetings, and Updates and Security for 8.04, 10.04, 10.10 and 11.04 need to be done
[01:15] <pleia2> everyone else: time to review the rest! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue226
[01:16] <Andre_Gondim> pleia2, may I insert translations stats?
[01:16] <pleia2> Andre_Gondim: yes, please do :)
[02:23] <nhandler> Andre_Gondim: Take a look at how I changed the format last week (it makes it easier to include the link in different formats)
[02:24] <nhandler> pleia2: Thanks. I'll finish up those sections and publish tomorrow
[16:46] <nhandler> Thanks to akgraner, I was able to update the gdoc to the newer format. This also gives us the newer discussion/collaboration features to use if desired
[16:46] <pleia2> great
[17:36] <Andre_Gondim> nhandler, ok, I'll fix the link format
[22:41] <nlsthzn> pleia2, hey sorry for disappearing yesterday... our plant decided to not play nice... Hope the news letter went OK...
[22:49] <pleia2> no problem, I understand :)
[22:52] <nlsthzn> pleia2: it isn't out yet?
[22:53] <pleia2> no, we typically publish on monday evening (US time)
[22:53] <nlsthzn> oh ok...


[04:41] <shadeslayer> hi, lp keeps timing out when I retry a build
[04:42] <wgrant> shadeslayer: A depwait build?
[04:42] <shadeslayer> OOPS-4c9d78339d9223675d4f93e54ed96d50
[04:42] <shadeslayer> wgrant: yes, but I uploaded the dep
[04:43] <wgrant> shadeslayer: Right, it's already been retried by retry-depwait, but that script fails at transactions so it isn't committed yet
[04:43] <wgrant> Should commit in the next 10 or so minutes
[04:43] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[04:44] <shadeslayer> very well, I shall wait :)
[04:51] <wgrant> shadeslayer: It started a few minutes ago
[04:51] <shadeslayer> wgrant: sawn :)
[07:53] <MCR1> Is there any good graphical bzr client available somewhere ?
[07:54] <MCR1> I tried bzr explorer, but it was quite buggy and slow - I need something like git-cola or qgit, just for bzr. Any tips ?
[07:55] <tsimpson> MCR1: qbzr
[07:56] <MCR1> Currently I am misusing launchpad, because of the nice diff representation there...
[07:56] <MCR1> tsimpson: /me is trying that, but he remembers last time he tried there were problems...
[07:59] <tsimpson> I haven't had much issue with it, but then I rarely ever use it...
[07:59] <MCR1> tsimpson: Yes. The problems are - I have qbzr installed, but all its commands do not work.
[08:00] <MCR1> tsimpson: All I get: qdiff: command not found
[08:00] <MCR1> tsimpson: The same goes for all of the qbzr commands listed in the description...
[08:01] <tsimpson> qdiff (and the other commands) are bzr commands, so you need "bzr qdiff ..." etc
[08:01] <MCR1> ah
[08:01] <MCR1> tsimpson: Thanks a lot :)
[08:01]  * MCR1 tries
[08:02] <maxb> 'bzr qlog' is the most awesome history browser I've seen for any of bzr/hg/git
[08:02] <tsimpson> yeah, especially when viewing merges
[08:03] <MCR1> tsimpson: Exactly what I was looking for :)
[08:04] <MCR1> ...although it currently hangs here (Quantal)
[08:06] <MCR1> a ton of these: (python:32483): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_widget_style_get: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed
[08:06] <MCR1> and a grey hanging qbzr window :(
[08:08] <tsimpson> I think that's probably a PyQt bug
[08:09] <MCR1> maxb: I like cola-git in combination with qgit for git projects most. cola-git is great for viewing live diffs and commiting, pushing and so on while the history functions of qgit are awesome as well.
[08:10] <maxb> Maybe the git world has more to offer than I've experienced - I've only used gitk
[08:10] <MCR1> tsimpson: Yeah, probably :P. I noticed a few troubles with old soft on Quantal...
[08:11] <MCR1> tsimpson: Trimage Image Compressor for example also fails to open on Quantal.
[08:13]  * MCR1 should probably file bug reports...
[12:12] <hallino1> Are there channel of it's here for say problem on openid login for drupal 7?
[16:49] <Darxus> lp:spamassassin import was broken for ~7 months (bug 958719), it was changed to Fix Released 9 hours ago, and I kicked off an import shortly after that.
[16:49] <Darxus> It failed with a timeout 8 hours later, which I believe is a different problem?
[16:51] <Darxus> ( https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/spamassassin/trunk )
[16:52] <Darxus> There was a very similar problem in October when a machine doing the import didn't have any caches:  https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/176593
[16:55] <mgz> looks like it was just taking a long time to import from scratch
[16:56] <Darxus> mgz: Right.  What is the solution?
[16:57] <Darxus> I think it normally takes just several minutes to download via svn.  Don't know what else is being done with it in that process that might make it take hours.
[16:58] <mgz> took about 30 mins for revs 0-1000 and about 45 mins for revs 8000-9000, and there are 42000 total revs
[16:58] <mgz> but apart from being too slow, nothing seems abnormal
[16:59] <mgz> not sure if russkaya is a particularly wimpy box
[16:59] <mgz> jelmer: ^any suggestions for code imports of big svn branches?
[17:28] <Darxus> He's actually the creator of this import.
[17:37] <jelmer> mgz, Darxus: not really
[17:37] <jelmer> we'll have to do a manual run without timeout I suspect
[17:37] <jelmer> for it to catch up
[17:38] <czajkowski> a
[18:10] <ahasenack> hi, did something break in merge proposals? I can't ask for a second reviewer for my proposal
[18:10] <ahasenack> I click request, fill in, it finds the group, I click select, the overlay vanishes and nothing else happens
[18:10] <ahasenack> I reloaded the page already
[18:11] <ahasenack> and just checked, I have this in my javascript console:
[18:11] <ahasenack>  /+combo/rev15901/?lp/code/branchmergeproposal.reviewcomment-min.js&lp/code/branchmergeproposal.status-min.js&lp/app/comment-min.js&lp/code/branchmergeproposal.updater-min.js&lp/code/branch.revisionexpander-min.js:13Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'get' of null
[18:54] <karni> sinzui: Hi! Any idea why the product release finder doesn't work for me :( ? https://launchpad.net/ubuntuone-android-files/trunk
[18:55] <karni> File is hosted at http://people.canonical.com/~karni/android/u1f
[18:55] <karni> Since Aug 22nd. Release URL pattern is: http://people.canonical.com/~karni/android/u1f/u1f-1.*google.apk
[19:52] <Darxus> jelmer: Can you do that?  Or should I open a question about it?
[20:06] <sinzui> karni, sorry about the delay. I just put your pattern into the dev site and I see the file name is not understood: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1186439/
[20:07] <karni> sinzui: ouch. How can I fix the file names? Replace dashes with underscores maybe? (and thank you for looking into that!)
[20:07] <sinzui> I think it hates -google.apk. The finder was designed to support debian
[20:08] <sinzui> I am hacking the rules now to see how to support the names you have
[20:09] <sinzui> karni, it was 'apk'
[20:10] <karni> sinzui: oh.. that sucks :<
[20:10] <sinzui> karni, I can land a fix today. It will be in production in the next 3 days
[20:10] <karni> sinzui: Fantastic \o/ Thank you :)
[20:10] <sinzui> karni, are there any other extensions that we need to support?
[20:11] <karni> sinzui: I don't think we can distribute our iOS apps that way, so no, thank you. apk should make me happy :)
[20:12] <sinzui> okay
[20:13] <karni> sinzui: Do you know who could I talk to about supporting other file formats for LP translations?
[20:15] <sinzui> karni, jtv is the last person left to have worked on translations. He works Asian and European times
[20:16] <karni> sinzui: Cool, thank you!
[20:39] <sinzui> karni, Is "google" a part of the version?  You have "google" in "u1f-1.2.4-google.apk' that implies it is a version, but many packages use the position to also mean OS as in "win32" or "OSX".  If it is OS, shouldn't the OS be android, not google?
[20:40] <karni> sinzui: we have google, vodafone and amazon as vendors. But if it's easier for you, I could move it to the left of version numbers.
[20:40] <Darxus> jelmer: There has been a successful import of lp:spamassassin.
[20:40] <karni> sinzui: It theoretically is, because different vendors have some restrictions, thus 1.2.4-google and 1.2.4-vodafone are different. Anyhow, I don't mind making it u1f-google-1.2.4.apk
[20:40] <MCR1> Jenkins has no drive space left ? : https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/automerge-compiz-core/120/console
[20:41] <sinzui> karni, okay, I will treat is as version, so you will see miletones names 1.2.4-google
[20:41] <karni> sinzui: 1 sec
[20:42] <karni> sinzui: Because I only publish google apk's on LP, and there's no reason to include the google name in the milestone, I would actually prefer to make it u1f-google-1.2.4.apk
[20:42] <karni> sinzui: Would that create a 1.2.4 milestone?
[20:42]  * sinzui checks
[20:43] <sinzui> karni, yes that finds 1.2.4
[20:43] <karni> sinzui: Awesome! Please make it that way then :) I would appreciate. I will rename these files to u1f-vendor-version.apk
[20:43] <sinzui> I am committing now
[20:44] <karni> \o/ Thank you, sinzui
[20:45] <karni> Renamed the hosted file.
[20:59] <jkyle> heya
[20:59] <jkyle> how can I drill down to a specific revision in a project?
[22:09] <sonn> Hi all
[22:17] <sonn> Does anyone know how to change the contributor of a language translation?
[23:01] <micahg> what's the + URL to see team invites?
[23:02] <wgrant> micahg: +invitation
[23:02] <micahg> wgrant: thanks
[23:03] <micahg> hrm, I'm getting nothing...
[23:03] <TheLordOfTime> micahg:  you sure its an invite, and not a group add?
[23:04] <micahg> LP says it's an invite
[23:04] <wgrant> micahg: What was the URL in the email?
[23:04] <micahg> I didn't get the e-mail
[23:05] <micahg> ah, I see, the team has no admins, only owners...
[23:05] <micahg> wgrant: is that a bug that owners can't accept invites?
[23:05] <wgrant> micahg: Ah, it's ~person/+invitation/team
[23:05] <micahg> ah
[23:05] <wgrant> Rather than the logical ~team/+invitation/person
[23:06] <micahg> ah, I can do it now, thanks
[23:06] <wgrant> Um, obviously they're both teams, but person == new member
[23:07] <sonn> Hi wgrant
[23:07] <sonn> Do you know how to change the contributor of a language translation?
[23:07] <wgrant> What do you mean?
[23:08] <wgrant> The contributors are the people who have contributed.
[23:08] <wgrant> It can't be directly changed.
[23:08] <sonn> I have imported a .po language pack for someone.
[23:09] <sonn> I had change the translator team fields in the po file
[23:09] <sonn> However, after importing, it says that I am the contributor for this langpack
[23:10] <sonn> Now I would change this to the owner
[23:10] <wgrant> I'm not sure if that's possible
[23:10] <wgrant> I don't know much about Translations
[23:11] <sonn> Can you delete the language pack, then I can ask the owner to import it by himself?
[23:12] <sonn> Who else should I ask for?
[23:12] <wgrant> It may be better to ask when Europe is awake
[23:13] <sonn> k
[23:13] <sonn> thanx wgrant


[08:55] <Rhonda> Unit193: What's the reason to dropping botti?  I found an open issue that it doesn't seem to build with autotools, and I guess that might be the reason you switched to meson, but … doesn't it build with meson neither? If so, why the switch?
[08:59] <Unit193> Rhonda: Yes it doesn't build with autotools now, and I don't remember if it does with meson but there was a possibility of removing it (Nei said something about it not really doing anything anymore, and not worth keeping around.)  Autotools also had a permissions error with rules-requires-root, I believe this is a regression, but with meson it all worked fine.  In a branch, autotools had been
[08:59] <Unit193> removed, since it's not properly maintained now anyway (it seems) I went ahead and moved to meson (which, of course you don't have to.)
[09:01] <Unit193> (In meson, /etc/irssi.conf isn't installed anymore, so I install it otherwise, though they say that's not needed.  I just preferred it. :3 )
[11:08] <KBar> Hi. I don't know much about python but I decided to try to fix bug #1931350. After doing some research, I figured that the equality comparison is more correct to use with strings and replaced those complaining instances of 'is/is not' with !=/==. However, I'm a bit stuck after that: should I create a separate patch with quilt next or is it okay if I change the source directly and document the changes with `dch -i`?


[02:08] <sagaci> http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/stats/ubuntu-11.10-translation-stats.html - awesome but must just mean the desktop side of ubuntu
[02:16] <blahdeblah-web> test
[02:17] <sagaci> it works!
[02:17] <blahdeblah-web> thanks sagaci - my DSL keeps dropping out and my local client doesn't seem to have kept up
[02:18] <blahdeblah-web> greetings blahdeblah!
[06:18] <sagaci> head_victim: streaming isn't looking to be happening, unfortunately
[06:38] <head_victim> sagaci: no worries, just throwing the idea out there
[06:39] <sagaci> head_victim: how'd you find the 2nd-on-the-list translations?
[06:43] <head_victim> Well the only reason we're not #1 is because of that empathy one we can't do
[06:48] <sagaci> yeah, but that doesn't matter
[06:56] <head_victim> Oh sorry, just reread your question. I saw it in the -translators channel
[06:58] <sagaci> oh nah, I just meant what was your thoughts about it
[07:01] <head_victim> If it helps some people get excited about it (or a little competetive) why not, is my thoughts.
[07:03] <sagaci> I was just surprised
[07:03] <sagaci> but it must just mean the main ubuntu packages, not cli programs or kubuntu things
[07:03] <head_victim> Yeah, I guess it's aimed at "default" installatins
[07:04] <head_victim> dpm would probably love feedback in -translators if you had anything in particular
[07:06] <sagaci> it was a surprise to get some kind of overall stats
[07:07] <head_victim> Yeah, much more visual than just a list of packages
[07:11] <sagaci> yay
[07:16] <head_victim> sagaci: done :)
[07:16] <head_victim> brb
[07:29] <sagaci> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-en-au and https://launchpad.net/~lp-l10n-en-au
[07:37] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Are we still on for this Saturday?
[07:40] <sagaci> blahdeblah: maybe https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2011-September/007442.html, but might be more up-to-date info
[07:40] <sagaci> even http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-au/1300/detail/
[07:43] <blahdeblah> thx sagaci
[07:52] <sagaci> head_victim: how does one go about easily changing the next meeting date: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam
[07:54] <sagaci> oh, also needs to be updated in re to loco status
[07:58] <sagaci> nvm, found the meeting template :)
[08:16] <head_victim> It's in the includes ;)
[08:17] <head_victim> The template = the todo list?
[08:19] <sagaci> ?
[08:24] <head_victim> The wiki questions you just asked
[08:25] <sagaci> yeah, crossed wires maybe
[08:26] <sagaci> changed the date anyhow
[08:28] <head_victim> Cheers mate, signed up to the new ml for translation as well
[10:28] <jargonfactory> hi folks \o
[10:28] <head_victim> Evening jargonfactory
[10:29] <jargonfactory> how's it going head_victim
[10:30] <head_victim> Not too bad, having a crack at some translation strings
[10:30] <jargonfactory> ahh
[10:49] <gorilla> evening folks.
[10:57] <jargonfactory> hi gorilla
[10:58] <gorilla> hi jargonfactory
[16:26] <ntrly_owl> hello
[16:27] <ntrly_owl> im helping a friend update network manager from a ppa because the wifi network keeps dropping out. it is v0.8 and the ppa is 0.8.4. this is ubuntu 10.04
[16:27] <ntrly_owl> The following packages have unmet dependencies:   network-manager-gnome: Depends: libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.88) but 0.84-1ubuntu0.2 is to be installed                          Depends: gconf2 (>= 2.28.1-2) but 2.28.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[16:28] <ntrly_owl> and libdbus-glib-1-2 wants to update libc6
[16:28] <ntrly_owl> so im not sure how to update libc6 without updating the whole distro
[16:28] <ntrly_owl> which i might do anyway
[16:28] <ntrly_owl> im going to update it from an 11.10 cd
[16:29] <ntrly_owl> hopefully updating from 10.04 to 11.10 works ok
[16:29] <ntrly_owl> or do i need to update to each release? that would be annoying
[16:29] <ntrly_owl> if so i might just update it to 10.10 and seem if that help
[16:29] <ntrly_owl> s
[16:29] <ntrly_owl> sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:29] <ntrly_owl> Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done The following packages have been kept back:   devede dhcp3-client dhcp3-common linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic network-manager network-manager-gnome 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 8 not upgraded.
[16:30] <ntrly_owl> The following packages have been kept back: network-manager network-manager-gnome
[16:30] <ntrly_owl> sudo apt-get install network-manager network-manager-gnome
[16:30] <ntrly_owl> Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information m The following packages have unmet dependencies:   network-manager-gnome: D
[16:31] <ntrly_owl> libdbus-glib-1-2 wants newer libc6
[16:31] <ntrly_owl> i used this ppa but if i update the distro ill probably remove it https://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/ppa
[16:35] <ntrly_owl> so what should i do? 1)force upgrade libc6 and risk breaking everything 2) upgrade to 10.10 from cd (or network if i can) and break some stuff maybe 3) upgrade to 11.10 from cd (or net if i can) and maybe break stuff
[16:35] <ntrly_owl> http://pastebin.com/1hQtQKfz
[16:36] <ntrly_owl> so those are the options i see
[16:36] <ntrly_owl> thanks
[17:43] <ikt> ntrly_owl: did you try using wicd first?
[20:58] <head_victim> ntrly_owl: and I'd be looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Synaptic/PackageDownloadScript as an easy way of trying to install stuff without internet on the specific computer.
[22:53] <kaushal> Hi
[22:53] <kaushal> can someone please suggest me about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-October/252250.html ?
[22:59] <blahdeblah> kaushal: My suggestion: buy hardware that is better supported by Linux.  If upgrading to the latest kernel didn't fix it, the amount of pain you will go through in getting it working is many times greater than simply buying an add-in card with an Intel or Broadcom chipset.
[23:00] <kaushal> blahdeblah: ok
[23:00] <kaushal> blahdeblah: so the card is a Atheros chipset ?
[23:01] <blahdeblah> Evidently, based on your lspci output
[23:01] <kaushal> ok
[23:01] <blahdeblah> I'm surprised that it doesn't work, given that it is fully recognised at the PCI level
[23:02] <blahdeblah> You may have some other configuration issue
[23:02] <blahdeblah> pastebin your dmesg output and we might be able to offer some better advice
[23:02] <kaushal> I have modprobe atl1ke
[23:02] <kaushal> blahdeblah: sure
[23:03] <kaushal> blahdeblah: please give me a moment
[23:05] <blahdeblah> I have to get to work, kaushal - post your pastebin and i'll look at it later. /me afk
[23:05] <kaushal> sure


[00:23] <qman__> yes, pam is a wonderful thing
[00:23] <qman__> I wish samba used pam instead of just adapting to it
[00:32] <Psi-Jack__> Okay.. So my router, presently, has only a small annoyance.
[00:33] <Psi-Jack__> When eth1, my net interface, comes up, it replaces /etc/resolv.conf with that retrieved via the DHCP.
[00:33] <Psi-Jack__> I don't want that, I want it to stay as I put it, or to adjust it with resolvconf to settings specifically supplied by wherever it gets that.
[00:34] <Psi-Jack__> Cause, I have my own domains. I have my own DNS, I don't want my router out of sync with that.
[00:36] <KillMeNow> Not sure if you can change that for a single host
[00:36] <KillMeNow> i think there are DHCP options you can disable globally to not push DNS resolvers
[00:36] <KillMeNow> but not sure about a single host...
[00:37] <KillMeNow> why are you having it grab an IP via DHCP?  why not do it statically?
[04:12] <mushroomblue> holy crap the OpenLDAP instructions are completely useless
[04:12] <mushroomblue> from what I'm reading, slapd in 9.04 isn't built against openssl
[04:16] <mushroomblue> is this correct?
[04:16] <mushroomblue> cos it sounds really really stupid.
[04:16] <mushroomblue> though it explains why the SSL/TLS section of the OpenLDAP instructions don't work.
[04:19] <jerrcs> if you want to see stupid
[04:19] <jerrcs> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/proftpd-dfsg/+bug/335933
[04:19] <jmarsden> mushroomblue: You might want to read /usr/share/doc/slapd/README.Debian.gz
[04:19] <jerrcs> why isn't that fixed yet? on ubuntu server edition.. your proftpd server is vulnerable...
[04:20] <jmarsden> jerrcs: Go ahead and post the debdiff needed to fix it, if you want it fixed fast.
[04:21] <Sam-I-Am> mushroomblue: openldap is built against gnutls
[04:25] <jerrcs> jmarsden: I'm no good with that.. I'm just an ubuntu-server who is very pissed off that it's been half a year and a major ftp server package hasn't been fixed.. a security issue like this.. my home directory has been open to anyone who has used this.. luckily there's nothing too much on there, and i've only been running it for about a month.
[04:26] <jerrcs> an ubuntu-server user.
[04:31] <sub> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=proftpd&searchon=names&suite=jaunty&section=all
[04:32] <sub> that vulnerability is fixed in that version, 1.3.1-17ubuntu1
[04:32] <sub> as it states here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/proftpd-dfsg/+bug/329167
[04:32] <jerrcs> "The ProFTPD Project team is happy to release 1.3.2 to the community. This is a bugfix release, including a SQL injection vulnerability fix. The RELEASE_NOTES and NEWS files contain the full details."
[04:32] <jerrcs> no it isn't
[04:33] <sub> #7   	 Launchpad Janitor  wrote on 2009-02-13:
[04:33] <sub> This bug was fixed in the package proftpd-dfsg - 1.3.1-17ubuntu1
[04:33] <jerrcs> There was another one then.
[04:33] <jerrcs> sub: I just exploited my own server. I have all my packages up to date. How can you tell me it's fixed? Not to mention I did a clean install of ubuntu-9.04 just about a month ago
[04:34] <sub> then post the debdiff. its community-maintained software which means it doesn't get fixed until someone who uses the software (like you) fixes it
[04:36] <jerrcs> http://pastebin.com/m1c726b6f
[04:37] <jerrcs> sub: how can ubuntu penetrate the server market if they can't keep this up to date? I mean.. I understand. It's in a different repository.. but still.
[04:37] <jerrcs> Just bringing up a discussion.
[04:50] <ScottK> Because much of Ubuntu's success has been not trying to do everything, but being the best at what they focus on.
[04:56] <jerrcs> I suppose.
[05:09] <giovani> ScottK: really? what does ubuntu focus on?
[05:10] <ScottK> Generally we try to pick one package to support for each function.
[05:10] <jerrcs> an idiot-proof OS
[05:10] <ScottK> For example we generally focus on Postfix as a mail server even though there are lots of others.
[05:10] <ScottK> jerrcs: Not possible.
[05:10] <giovani> well sure ... other distros tend to do that too
[05:11] <ScottK> Just more so here.
[05:11] <ScottK> So if you're using packages that aren't supported (in Universe), don't expect them to be supported.
[05:11] <ScottK> Some of them are well supported by the community, but it's uneven.
[05:12] <giovani> ScottK: what's the main, supported-by-ubuntu ftp server?
[05:12] <quizme> http://cardinaleducation.thirdreplicator.com/  <--- trying to get mod_proxy to work.  Can somebody help?
[05:12] <ScottK> I don't actually know.
[05:13] <jerrcs> proftpd is pretty popular.
[05:13] <ScottK> I find I can use sftp for all my needs so it's been years since I worried about it.
[05:13] <jerrcs> yet there's a huge vuln in it.
[05:13] <giovani> I can't seem to find a major ftpd that isn't in universe
[05:13] <jerrcs> Yes.. I prefer sftp.. but I have clients which use regular ftp.
[05:13] <giovani> ScottK: but surely FTP is acknowledged as a major protocol still in use, for various reasons
[05:14] <ScottK> giovani: Certainly, just saying I don't know.
[05:14] <giovani> ok
[05:14] <giovani> vsftpd
[05:14] <giovani> is in the main repo
[05:14] <giovani> so I guess that's the one ubuntu has chosen to support primarily
[05:14] <ScottK> Odds of it having issues left long unfixed are relativley low then.
[05:15] <ScottK> You could also look in the Ubuntu server guide and see what it suggests.
[05:15] <quizme> if i log into the server, and run "curl http://<IP_ADDRESS>:11000" it works, but when i access it via the URL. I get "Not found /"
[05:15] <jerrcs> I'll poke around with vsftp.
[05:15] <jerrcs> vsftpd*
[05:15] <giovani> vsftpd is security-focused anyhow
[05:15] <giovani> implied by the name ...
[05:28] <quizme> anybody know how to mod_proxy here ?
[05:44] <mushroomblue> so wait. it's built against GnuTLS for a while now, but the documentation doesn't reflect this?
[05:44] <mushroomblue> 8.10 and 9.04 server guide both give incorrect configuration steps for openldap, then.
[05:45] <mushroomblue> you'd think someone would notice, and update the docs
[05:45] <Sam-I-Am> what its built against doesnt really matter for the config iirc
[05:45] <Sam-I-Am> certs are certs
[05:45] <mushroomblue> steps to get a working system are different.
[05:46] <mushroomblue> and if you're planning on following the server guide to configure your system, you're sorta out of luck.
[05:46] <mushroomblue> that's poor documentation.
[05:46] <Sam-I-Am> well, one of the fun parts of open source... you can volunteer to make it right :)
[05:46] <jmarsden> mushroomblue: Thanks for volunteering to update the docs ... where can we see your proposed changes?
[05:46] <Sam-I-Am> talk with sommer ... he's the docs guy
[05:46] <mushroomblue> oh, I'll be happy to submit changes
[05:46] <mushroomblue> when I'm not drunk. :)
[05:47] <mushroomblue> s/changes/docs/
[05:47] <Sam-I-Am> i've been planning to submit updates to it
[05:47] <Sam-I-Am> todays fun was patching openldap though
[05:47] <mushroomblue> jmarsden: you'll have to crack my skull open and take a peek.
[05:47] <mushroomblue> sicko.
[05:48] <jmarsden> mushroomblue: My machine seems to lack the skullcrack-and-peek package, and it;s not in the repositories.
[05:48] <mushroomblue> jmarsden: thanks for the readme, tho. :)
[05:48] <Sam-I-Am> i think that package is called 'sendmail'
[05:48] <mushroomblue> I'd like to think my brain is a lot more like git
[06:33] <RudyValencia> hi
[06:33] <RudyValencia> How much space do I need to allocate to an Ubuntu Server running in a VM?
[06:33] <RudyValencia> (hard disk)
[06:33] <RudyValencia> would 10GB be enough?
[06:35] <jmarsden> RudyValencia: It depends what you want to do with it, but for testing and experimenting, yes, probably.
[06:35] <RudyValencia> jmarsden: Web serving.
[06:36] <jmarsden> Well, if you want to serve 100GB of videos, then 10GB won't be enough... :)
[06:36] <RudyValencia> I can't get Apache to work right on the Windows host so I set the VM up to run a LAMP stack
[06:36] <RudyValencia> As for storage, I use SMBFS shares
[06:36] <jmarsden> Then you should be fine with 10GB for the server itself.
[06:37] <RudyValencia> I notice no appreciable difference between storing the data in the VM and storing the data on SMBFS shares
[06:37] <jmarsden> I have Ubuntu VMs with as little as 4GB for testing sometimes.
[06:37] <RudyValencia> (because my server is a low-volume server.)
[06:38] <RudyValencia> Is it better to 'pre-allocate' the disk file?
[06:38] <RudyValencia> that is, have it make one 10GB file vs. a file that grows with the contents of the VM
[06:38] <jmarsden> Not usually; there is a slight disk performance gain by preallocating it.
[06:40] <RudyValencia> Ah
[06:40] <RudyValencia> I set it up with 512MB of RAM allocated to it
[06:40] <RudyValencia> and bridged networking
[06:40] <RudyValencia> No sound or other peripherals, except CD image access
[06:43] <mattt> RudyValencia: you using xen?
[06:43] <RudyValencia> mattt: I don't have a computer capable of hardware virtualisation
[06:44] <mattt> RudyValencia: same, i'm old school like that also :)
[06:44] <RudyValencia> My server is a repurposed 2.2GHz P4
[06:45] <RudyValencia> w/ 1GB RAM, 200GB and 250GB hard disks, DVD(+/-)RW drive, a cheap NIC, and a LaserJet 5L
[06:48] <mattt> i wish the newer versions of ubuntu still supported exn
[06:48] <mattt> *xen
[06:50] <jmarsden> mattt: I think newer versions of KVM can run on systems without hardware virtualization.  I know virtualbox-ose can.
[06:50] <RudyValencia> I tried to setup VMware Tools on my Ubuntu Server 8.04 install that had been untouched for a while
[06:50] <RudyValencia> and it failed :(
[06:50] <mattt> jmarsden: oh, nice!
[06:51] <jmarsden> mattt: I was running multiple virtualbox-ose VMs here on an Intel E5200 (no hardware virt) until a few weeks ago (upgraded to a Q9550 as a birthday present to myself!)
[06:52] <RudyValencia> I'm getting some pretty good life out of this old Pentium 4
[06:52] <RudyValencia> (I have a 2.8GHz as my main desktop)
[06:53] <jmarsden> RudyValencia: Yes, I do that too... but I've not tried VM stuff on older machines, at home or at work.
[06:53] <RudyValencia> ah
[06:53] <RudyValencia> I wish I could upgrade either of my systems
[06:53] <RudyValencia> (or both)
[06:53] <mattt> jmarsden: so virtualbox-ose uses KVM?  i didn't know that.
[06:54] <jmarsden> No, they are independent.
[06:54] <RudyValencia> This 2.8GHz desktop is nice but doesn't run WinXP well
[06:54] <RudyValencia> oops
[06:54] <RudyValencia> I meant, Win7
[06:54] <RudyValencia> It runs WinXP now
[06:54] <RudyValencia> (I still have to use Windows, for Creative Suite 3 does not run well on Linux w/ Wine)
[06:55] <RudyValencia> I would've switched to Linux completely already if it were capable
[06:55] <jmarsden> RudyValencia: Run Ubuntu on the hardware, and Windows in a VM for the occasions when you need it :)
[06:56] <RudyValencia> I need Windows to do development for IE
[06:56] <RudyValencia> (I no longer support IE6, only 7+)
[06:57] <RudyValencia> The Web browser has become an application platform with the advent of AJAX and other new technologies
[06:58] <jmarsden> Sure, but you can do that (run IE and whatever) in a Windows VM.  You don't need to run it on the physical hardware.
[06:58] <RudyValencia> I also do 3D with SketchUp
[06:58] <RudyValencia> (which a VM can't handle)
[06:58] <RudyValencia> and play the occasional 3D game
[07:00] <jmarsden> VirtualBox is supposedly able to do 3D in the VM for Windows guests now, although I have never tried it.
[07:00] <spowers> is it possible to run top on the console of a server with upstart or getty or something?
[07:03] <jmarsden> spowers: Sure.  I think that is part of what the top "secure mode" stuff is all about... ensuring you can leave it running in a way that random passers-by can't abuse your server
[07:04] <spowers> the problems i'm having are more to do with terminal control
[07:04] <spowers> and how to run it at boot
[07:05] <spowers> on a real server, i'd stick it on tty12 and chvt to it in rc.local, but i'm running in xen so there's only one tty
[07:05] <spowers> what would be really awesome is to make a screen profile for boot time that had a secure top and could only spawn /bin/login instead of bash directly
[07:06] <spowers> screen itself would have to be more secure probably, so that might not be the right approach
[07:06] <spowers> and it's not like this is a real PROBLEM
[07:06] <spowers> per se
[07:07] <jmarsden> spowers: aybe set up a user called top whose shell is top ... and log in on the console as top ?
[07:07] <spowers> i'll give that a shot, it works well enough for an x server on my mythtv box, i'd forgotten about that
[07:07] <mattt> spowers: what are you trying to accomplish with this anyway (not fully understanding here)
[07:08] <spowers> boy, if i had a nickel for every time someone asked me that...
[07:08] <mattt> :)
[07:08] <spowers> i'm just hacking around
[07:09] <mattt> tho it is an interesting idea, i used to work at a hosting company and if that info was visible (even if hte machine was hung and the info stale) it'd be really helpful to support
[07:09] <spowers> i've got this mental image of a console that cycles through top/iptraf/some other monitor on the console
[07:09] <mattt> (and by visible i mean visible on the console)
[07:09] <spowers> like arcade games cycle through demos and logo screens
[07:09] <RudyValencia> Sorry, network cable broke
[07:10] <jmarsden> mattt: leaving top running on a spare terminal was an oldtimers trick a decade or two ago, so when things went bad on your server you could see why... even when it was so bad you couldn't log in and run top because the server was so bogegd down...
[07:10] <spowers> top has existed for a decade or two? wow
[07:10] <spowers> i'm always in awe of unix tradition
[07:10] <jmarsden> Sure.  I'm pretty sure I was using it in 1994 or so...
[07:10] <mattt> jmarsden: yeah, that's exactly what i'm thinking ... dunno why we never thought to do that :/
[07:10] <Boohbah> even better, top in a screen session so you can disconnect
[07:11] <mattt> Boohbah: yeah, but if the system is unresponsive so is screen :)
[07:11] <mattt> (or the load's too high or whatever the case)
[07:11] <spowers> main thing would be to have something on the main console more useful than the last handful of boot messages and a login prompt
[07:11] <Boohbah> well then, remote serial console
[07:11] <spowers> even old netware had that silly snake that represented the load average
[07:11] <mattt> spowers: good idea, i like your thinking
[07:12] <spowers> when i boot up our linux vms, the console is always a mess
[07:12] <spowers> top looks nice and tiday
[07:12] <spowers> tidy
[07:14] <spowers> jmarsden: the 'top' user thing works a charm
[07:15] <jmarsden> Good :)
[07:16] <spowers> i remember hacking around with getty several years ago trying to start dosemu to run a WWIV bbs system
[07:16] <spowers> that did not work so well
[08:08] <RudyValencia> I put the wrong hostname for my server in when I reinstalled
[08:09] <RudyValencia> How do I change the hostname?
[08:12] <_ruben> doing a find/replace in /etc with the old -> new name should cover most stuff .. depends on how much stuff is already installed as well though
[08:13] <RudyValencia> probably easier to reinstall at this early stage
[08:14] <_ruben> depends .. if its a clean install with not much extra tasks installed .. covering /etc/ would do just fine .. a simple sed/perl oneliner .. then again, reinstalls can be fairly quick as well depending on the method used
[08:14] <sub> nah
[08:14] <RudyValencia> Nothing installed yet
[08:14] <sub> just /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname should cover it
[08:14] <RudyValencia> ah
[08:15] <_ruben> sub: unless for example postfix is installed as well as a task
[08:15] <jmarsden> sub: Maybe /etc/mailname if an MTA is installed
[08:15] <_ruben> there's quite a few packages that use the hostname in postinstall scripts
[08:15] <sub> then you can either reboot or use the "hostname" command to set the new hostname
[08:15] <RudyValencia> I'll redo it
[08:16] <sub> Perhaps
[08:16] <sub> I have a new system running as well and I just did grep -Hr `hostname` /etc
[08:16] <RudyValencia> very very easy
[08:16] <_ruben> redoing install surely is the cleanest way .. but also a tad overkill ;)
[08:17] <RudyValencia> time is unimportant here
[08:17] <sub> i've changed hostnames more often than i'd like to admit ;p
[08:18] <_ruben> i only looked into it once when looking into the options for 'templating' my virtual machines .. in the end i just setup a pxe environment with preseeded installs :p
[08:20] <RudyValencia> hm, I have Remote Installation Services on the Windows side of my server
[08:20] <RudyValencia> I wonder if it can install other OSes than Windows
[08:20] <RudyValencia> like Ubuntu or whatever
[08:21] <RudyValencia> Wow
[08:22] <RudyValencia> I entered the static IP address in the installer and my network information and it picked up the hostname
[08:22] <RudyValencia> (from my DNS)
[08:22] <quizme> http://cardinaleducation.thirdreplicator.com/  <--- I'm doing a proxy pass thing with webrick but i'm getting this....
[08:22] <quizme> anybody know why ?
[08:22] <quizme> my mod_proxy is set up correctly cuz i'm using the same configuration on another site.
[08:23] <RudyValencia> which is the best setting: relatime, noatime, or no option for such?
[08:24] <_ruben> i use noatime for dedicated /var/log/ partitions on busy servers
[08:26] <RudyValencia> ah
[08:27] <RudyValencia> What exactly is a "Label"
[08:27] <RudyValencia> ?
[08:27] <_ruben> just that .. a label :)
[08:27] <RudyValencia> Is that like the "volume label" on a FAT or NTFS volume?
[08:27] <_ruben> kinda, yeah
[08:27] <RudyValencia> ah
[08:28] <RudyValencia> Hm, do you change /etc/issue or /etc/motd on your server(s)?
[08:28] <RudyValencia> I like to change /etc/issue to display a warning
[08:30] <RudyValencia> "WARNING: THIS SYSTEM IS RESTRICTED TO (COMPANY NAME) AUTHORIZED USERS, FOR LEGITIMATE BUSINESS PURPOSES ONLY..."
[08:30] <jmarsden> RudyValencia: If the logins are from the network, edit /etc/issue.net  .  For a standard warning text, see http://pastebin.com/f7098d623
[08:31] <RudyValencia> jmarsden: I already have one of my own
[08:31]  * RudyValencia pastebins it
[08:31]  * jmarsden hopes you are a good lawyer, if you write it yourself  and want it to be legally correct :)
[08:32] <_ruben> i never bother to edit those .. or read them if i'd log into a remote system (usualy, unless it does a good job on drawing attention)
[08:32] <sub> cowsay tends to catch my attention
[08:34] <RudyValencia> jmarsden: I borrowed it from another computer at a place I used to work at
[08:34] <RudyValencia> http://pastebin.com/m2d02cbe7
[08:35] <RudyValencia> I substituted [COMPANY] where my business' name goes
[08:36] <jmarsden> OK.  Your notice gives away info to the (hypothetical) hacker... you tell him who owns the system.  Why give away that info?
[08:36] <RudyValencia> I should remove the company name and reflow it to make sense
[08:37] <sub> is that not already given away by ARIN registrations and reverse DNS?
[08:38] <jmarsden> sub: is it?  Try it sometime?  Usually you get the ISP, not the company or end user.
[08:38] <RudyValencia> jmarsden: http://pastebin.com/m16f51a1d (amended)
[08:38] <sub> depends, some ISPs update the registration for their netblocks
[08:38] <sub> I work for an ISP, so I guess that's a moot point in my situation :)
[08:38] <jmarsden> :)
[08:39] <_ruben> highly depends on the customer base too .. i doubt much isp would swip their adsl blocks :p
[08:40] <sub> of course not, but most ISPs swip the blocks they give with leased/dedicated circuits
[08:40] <jmarsden> RudyValencia: Looks OK to me, but I am not a lawyer.
[08:40] <_ruben> exactly
[08:41] <RudyValencia> I forwarded my SSH port to a different number than 22
[08:41] <RudyValencia> (I hate getting SSH scans
[08:42] <RudyValencia> also, my VM seems to be stuck at 'Validating libklibc'
[08:44] <RudyValencia> Hm, I wonder what Linux does for consoles on computers that don't support text-only modes
[08:44] <RudyValencia> (e.g. 68k/PPC Macs, etc.)
[08:56] <RudyValencia> my VM has stalled :/
[08:56] <RudyValencia> I'm trying to get Ubuntu to install and the VM keeps stalling
[08:57] <RudyValencia> nevermind
[08:57] <RudyValencia> it returned
[09:21] <Psi-Jack__> Okay.. So my router, presently, has only a small annoyance.
[09:21] <Psi-Jack__> When eth1, my net interface, comes up, it replaces /etc/resolv.conf with that retrieved via the DHCP.
[09:21] <Psi-Jack__> I don't want that, I want it to stay as I put it, or to adjust it with resolvconf to settings specifically supplied by wherever it gets that.
[09:21] <Psi-Jack__> Cause, I have my own domains. I have my own DNS, I don't want my router out of sync with that.
[09:24] <sub> one sec, I do the same thing here at home
[09:27] <sub> You're going to want to edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[09:27] <sub> And you can either add a prepend line to add your static servers before the ones given by dhcp, or you can just not request the DNS info
[09:40] <Psi-Jack__> Hmm
[09:40] <Psi-Jack__> I'd tried taking out requesting it, and it still overwrote my resolv.conf file.
[09:41] <Psi-Jack__> But, so far, supersede domain-name-servers fixed my nameserver entries, but now I Just need to fix domain and search.
[09:44] <RudyValencia> hm, I think there's a problem
[09:45] <RudyValencia> W: Failed to fetch http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/dists/hardy/Release  Unable to find expected entry  main-updates/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[09:46] <RudyValencia> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[09:46] <jmarsden> Run sudo apt-get update again, or pick a different mirror and then try again.
[09:47] <RudyValencia> It happens with several mirrors.
[09:48] <RudyValencia> Tried Easynews, kernel.org, and OSUOSL
[09:48] <jmarsden> Odd.  I should be asleep (almost 2am here), but I'll check it on an old Hardy VM I have... booting now...
[09:49] <RudyValencia> Almost 3 here.
[09:50] <jmarsden> Seems to work fine from here (using us.archive.ubuntu.com as the mirror).
[09:51] <RudyValencia> Maybe the mirrors are broken
[09:52] <RudyValencia> Not working here
[09:53] <jmarsden> I just tried with mirrors.kernel.org and that worked for me too.
[09:54] <jmarsden> Are you out of disk space somehow on /var ?  Not really sure what else to check...
[09:56] <RudyValencia> df says only 8% of the disk is used
[09:57] <jmarsden> And you just created a single partition, not a separate /var ?  Then that's not it...
[09:58] <jmarsden> That's not an absolutely show-stopping warning, it just means you may not be getting the very latest updates...
[09:59] <jmarsden> But it shouldn't be happening, at least not reliably and on multiple mirrors.
[09:59]  * RudyValencia reboots the VM
[09:59]  * jmarsden goes to bed :)  Goodnight all.
[10:02] <_ruben> could be a flakey (transparent) proxy interfering
[10:03] <RudyValencia> No proxies here
[10:14] <RudyValencia> _ruben: I made a typo.
[10:14] <RudyValencia> That was why it failed
[10:15] <RudyValencia> I shouldn't be writing a configuration file at 3AM
[10:15] <LiraNuna> "passwd: Authentication token lock busy" any idea what that means?
[10:15] <LiraNuna> I upgraded libpam-mysql from a working config, now I get this
[10:16] <LiraNuna> I'm sure common-password is configured right as with old pam-mysql I could change the password (only as root, though)
[10:43] <Boohbah> hi RudyValencia
[10:43] <Boohbah> did you find a job yet?
[10:44] <RudyValencia> Still at Walgreens
[10:45] <Boohbah> what location?
[10:46] <RudyValencia> same as before
[10:47] <Boohbah> i forgot where that was
[10:48] <RudyValencia> Greeley
[10:48] <RudyValencia> 23rd Avenue and 16th St.
[10:48] <Boohbah> Nebraska?
[10:49] <RudyValencia> CO
[10:49] <RudyValencia> (Colorado)
[10:49] <RudyValencia> also, how do I prepend the output of uname -a to a text file?
[10:50] <Boohbah> i don't know about prepend with bash
[10:51] <Boohbah> i can append
[10:52] <foolano> RudyValencia: using sed?
[10:52] <RudyValencia> any method
[10:52] <_ruben> nasty way: file=/some/file ; uname -a > $file.tmp ; cat $file >> $file.tmp ; mv $file.tmp $file
[10:53] <foolano> i prefer: sed 1ifoo file.txt
[10:53] <Boohbah> that's a really nasty way
[10:53] <RudyValencia> I got it
[10:53] <_ruben> "any" also covers "really nasty" in my book ;)
[10:54] <RudyValencia> echo `uname -a` > newfile; cat originalfile >> newfile
[10:54] <foolano> sed 1i"$(uname -a)" file.txt
[10:58] <Boohbah> foolano: nice!
[11:02] <foolano> sudo dumpe2fs -b /dev/sda3 | wc -l
[11:02] <foolano> 65
[11:02] <foolano> arhhh, it aint looking good
[12:03] <RudyValencia> Anyone here having difficulty building VMware Tools or open-vm-tools on Ubuntu Server 8.04?
[12:03] <RudyValencia> I can't get them to build
[12:30] <RudyValencia> :(
[12:30] <RudyValencia> Why won't VMware Tools build on Ubuntu 8.04.2 Server?
[12:43] <LMJ> I've create a lvm volume a couple of months ago and store datas on it. I rebooted today after an simple upgrade, no more LVM ! pvdisplay, vgdisplay & lvdisplay are empty, What could I do to get back my files ?
[12:54] <AlexC_> morning
[12:55] <AlexC_> I've recently stopped using SpamAssasin, and instead just using Postfix restrictions (which is working very well), however I just saw in my logs this: postfix/smtpd[14337]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from openzula.org[<IP_ADDRESS>]: 504 5.5.2 <localhost>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>proto=ESMTP helo=<localhost>
[12:56] <AlexC_> how come it is blocking openzula.org (which is a domain I own, and is 'on' this server), for not being a FQDN? How is that not a FQDN?
[12:56] <AlexC_> this email would have been a forum notification email to a user, from the board its self
[13:31] <giovani> AlexC_: because it's not identifying itself as openzula.org, it's identifying itself as "localhost" as far as I can tell
[13:35] <pmatulis> AlexC_: perhaps pastebin the output of 'postconf -n'
[13:43] <AlexC_> pmatulis: sorry, was away: http://paste2.org/p/395497
[13:49] <giovani> AlexC_: output of 'hostname -f'?
[13:55] <AlexC_> 'localhost' .... that'll be why then, giovani =)
[13:56] <AlexC_> editing /etc/hosts to have the one I want first, made 'hostname -f' return what I wanted. I assume that would have fixed it now
[14:00] <giovani> what?
[14:00] <giovani> don't edit /etc/hosts
[14:00] <giovani> that's not where the hostname belongs
[14:00] <giovani> you want to edit /etc/hostname
[14:00] <AlexC_> I know, however that is not where hostname -f and where it looks up is from
[14:01] <giovani> huh?
[14:02] <AlexC_> as stated in 'hostname --help': "Unless you are using bind or NIS for host lookups you can change the FQDN (Fully Qualified Domain Name) and the DNS domain name (which is part of the FQDN) in the /etc/hosts file."
[14:03] <giovani> you don't need to that, but ok
[14:03] <AlexC_> well, /etc/hostname is already set to 'cypher.openzula.org', so it wasn't getting it from there
[14:04] <giovani> had you rebooted since that had been set?
[14:04] <giovani> it absolutely gets it from there
[14:04] <giovani>        The host name is usually set once at system startup in /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 or /etc/init.d/boot (normally by  reading  the  conâ
[14:04] <giovani>        tents of a file which contains the host name, e.g.  /etc/hostname).
[14:05] <AlexC_> giovani: yes, server was rebooted yesterday in fact. However, the output of 'hostname' did give cypher.openzula.org - it was only when doing 'hostname -f' it gave 'localhost'
[14:06] <giovani> ok, 'hostname' shouldn't be providing the FQDN
[14:07] <giovani> /etc/hostname should contain just the first section of the hostname (the machine-specific part)
[14:07] <giovani> then you can add an entry in /etc/hosts with both the FQDN, and the hostname
[14:09] <AlexC_> giovani: so /etc/hostname to be just 'cypher'?
[15:21] <tdn> How do I run a script everytime I boot the machine, after the network has been brought up. I have tried putting the script in /etc/network/if-up.d/, but appearently, this does not work. How do I solve this?
[15:24] <AlexC_> tdn: there is the special cron '@reboot' value, though I am not sure if that is genearlly considered bad practice to do so
[15:27] <tdn> AlexC_, how do I find out?
[15:27] <tdn> AlexC_, is reboot not on shutdown? I need to run it on start up.
[15:28] <AlexC_> tdn: man 5 crontab, scroll down "@reboot        Run once, at startup."
[15:29] <tdn> AlexC_, ok. How do I find out if it is bad practice?
[15:29] <AlexC_> ask people ;)
[15:29] <tdn> Ok :)
[15:29] <tdn> Here?
[15:33] <AlexC_> this is an asky place, so yeah I guess so
[15:40] <Boohbah> tdn: i would append it to /etc/rc.local
[15:41] <tdn> Boohbah, how? Just symlink the script in there? Do I need to do something else? _How do I make sure that it is run after network is up?
[15:42] <Boohbah> iirc /etc/rc.local runs last
[15:42] <Boohbah> tdn: not symlink, just call the script from there
[15:42] <tdn> Boohbah, /etc/rc.local is empty, so I just put it in there?
[15:42] <Boohbah> yup
[15:43] <tdn> Boohbah, ok. Thanks.
[15:50] <XiXaQ> several times now, when setting up a system with raid or lvm, the installation stops, complaining it can't find any cd-rom and that no repository has been configured. I'm using 9.04 i386. Does anyone know why? The cd-rom has been tested ok.
[15:52] <Boohbah> XiXaQ: probably the raid controller driver. what model is it?
[15:52] <XiXaQ> I'm using software raid.
[15:52] <Boohbah> oh
[15:55] <XiXaQ> however, when the partitions are setup and I reboot, the install finishes properly.
[16:08] <XiXaQ> oh, I think maybe my cd-rom drive is trying to tell me something.
[17:32] <madalin> hello. I really need help setting up a dhcp server and make my fresh installed ubuntu, a gateway..
[18:11] <Meiki> Hi - could someone help me with an IP address issue that I'm having. Please look at http://pastebin.com/m575e62fd, I can bind public services to the first IP, but not to the others (*.87- onwards).
[18:20] <RoyK> heh - Meiki waited for three minutes before he left :)
[18:22] <Meiki> RoyK: huh
[18:24] <RoyK> [19:11]  <Meiki> Hi - could someone help me with an IP address issue that I'm having. Please look at http://pastebin.com/m575e62fd, I can bind public services to the first IP, but not to the others (*.87- onwards).
[18:24] <RoyK> [19:14]  * Meiki (i=568092bf@gateway/web/freenode/x-nylzhfnikmfuvzyp) has left #ubuntu-server
[18:24] <RoyK> how do you try to bind to those IPs?
[18:24] <RoyK> btw, the old eth0:x is not recommended anymore
[18:24] <sub> says who?
[18:25] <RoyK> rather use ip addr add <IP_ADDRESS>/24 dev eth1
[18:25] <RoyK> or so
[18:25] <RoyK> sub: the new method has been around for a while
[18:26] <RoyK> well, it works, but I guess it'll be removed some day, since ip "aliasing" is something that were phased out close to 10 years ago
[18:27] <RoyK> Meiki: anyway - how do you try to bind to those IPs?
[18:27] <RoyK> it should work
[18:28] <sub> The application should have a bind address of <IP_ADDRESS> to bind on all interfaces and you should doublecheck to ensure that you don't have any firewall rules that could block traffic to those other IPs
[18:29] <RoyK> sub: possibly an application should bind to a specific ip
[18:30] <RoyK> if using apache, bind to all, and add the respective address in the virtualhost
[18:30] <RoyK> but if Meiki doesn't want to specify any details, he can't really get most help
[18:32] <sub> RoyK: Right about binding to a specific IP, depends on what the requirements are =) and I agree
[18:46] <ipauldev> I run Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Server. apt-get is painfully slow when downloading large files. It starts out fast and goes down to under 25B/sec. I've tried using apt-mirror to make my own local repo, it starts out downloading fast, but that too, starts to be Bytes/second if I "du" the directory and watch the size. I've used multiple mirrors with the same issue. I can start again fast, and it slows down. Connected via a DS-3
[18:47] <ipauldev> Also is happening with multiple installs of it... they
[18:48] <ipauldev> they're all running on the same box, vmware.. 64MB ram, 30 some GHz available
[18:48] <ipauldev> Any ideas?
[18:51] <PhotoJim> ipauldev: sounds like network issues.  just keep trying different mirrors.  or do a speed test to some other site that should be fast and see what performance you get.
[18:53] <ipauldev> yeah it doesn't happen anywhere else on the network with other instances, so I wonder if it's a vmware issue or the networking on the vmware cluster
[18:53] <ipauldev> thanks
[18:54] <PhotoJim> it could be, but that doesn't seem likely.
[19:24] <user1_>  have kubuntu 6.10 dgy. how can i upgrade it to the latest.(the option of uqgrade doesnot appear when i fetch updates in adept package manager)>
[19:24] <ipauldev> Yeah, it does it with a wget too, of a large iso. If it re-establishes the connection, The router shows throughput on the interface of 10,000 Mbps, the limit setup.. then after a 30 or 60 seconds it drops off into nothingness... Foobar! lol
[19:25] <ipauldev> user1_ I think an apt-get dist-upgrade might get you there.
[19:26] <user1_> ok
[19:26] <user1_> not working
[19:26] <user1_>  where are the files that contain the server address to download programs and updates by package manager or apt?
[19:26] <ipauldev> /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:27] <RoyK> user1_: do-release-upgrade
[19:28] <RoyK> user1_: you also may need to change /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[19:28] <RoyK> there you can set the upgrade policy
[19:30] <user1_>  what is the name of the lates kubuntu distro? may be i can toogle the name in sources.list with it at 'egdy'?
[19:38] <giovani> user1_: this is #ubuntu-server not #kubuntu
[19:48] <RoyK> user1_: read what I wrote above
[19:48] <RoyK> user1_: also, like giovani said, this channel is for server-specific questions, not general ubuntu stuff
[19:51] <ipauldev> FUI, I've got that local mirror running and things work fine using that, so my guess is that it's the router or the intrusion protection system blocking/slowing down the requests. I'll be looking at that with our netowrking/IPS team Monday. Thanks for the help.
[19:51] <ipauldev> YUI=FYI
[20:50] <DelphiWorld> hi
[20:59] <Tsapoc^> hello there ! Why does all the other computers on network have internet but my server doesn't? I can ssh to it (ip:<IP_ADDRESS>) but when i try to tell him to ping www.google.com it doesn't respond... Anyone have any ideas ?
[21:03] <giovani> Tsapoc^: likely to be misconfigured/non-configured DNS
[21:08] <Tsapoc^> yeap i figured that out just fixed it :)
[21:08] <Tsapoc^> but thanks m8 :)
[23:10] <Acs> hello
[23:10] <Acs> I just logged in to my ubuntu-server machine and got this
[23:10] <Acs> 3 packages can be updated.
[23:10] <Acs> 6 updates are security updates.
[23:10] <Acs> little strange
[23:11] <Acs> but how can I see wich packages can be updated?
[23:11] <jmarsden> sudo apt-get -s upgrade       will do a simulated upgrade
[23:11] <Acs> thanks
[23:11] <jmarsden> No problem.
[23:12] <Acs> but can you tell me why it says 3 packages can be updated and then tells me 6 are security updated
[23:12] <jmarsden> Not really... that text is from the landscape-sysinfo client, right?  If you run it directly     landscape-sysinfo     what does it say then?
[23:13] <Acs> just this
[23:13] <Acs> System load: 0.0 Swap usage: 0% Users logged in: 1
[23:13] <Acs> Usage of /: 0.7% of 226.26GB Temperature: 28 C
[23:13] <Acs> Memory usage: 11% Processes: 114
[23:13] <Acs> Graph this data and manage this system at https://landscape.canonical.com/
[23:13] <Acs> nothing related to the updates
[23:13] <jmarsden> so... where did the text about updates come from that you quoted earlier?
[23:14] <Acs> below the info of the landscape-sysinfo
[23:14] <Acs> but it only appeared when I logged in
[23:15] <Acs> not now when I ran the command
[23:15] <Acs> hhumm I ran the apt-get command
[23:15] <jmarsden> Then either something changed, or there is some other piece of software running at login displaying that information for you
[23:16] <Acs> the updates are for apache2 apache2-mpm-prefork apache2.2-common
[23:16] <Psi-Jack__> Hmm
[23:16] <jmarsden> Well, if appropriate you can do    sudo apt-get upgrade    to install those, and then see what happens when you log out and in again?
[23:16] <Psi-Jack__> ubuntu 9.04 Server doesn't have IPP2P MATCH support?
[23:17] <Psi-Jack__> The kernel that is.
[23:17] <Acs> jmarsden ok
[23:17] <Acs> I upgraded
[23:17] <Acs> but if I loggin again
[23:17] <Acs> nothing will be shown
[23:17] <jmarsden> Psi-Jack__: That might be in a module you need to load?
[23:17] <jmarsden> Acs: Then I'd say you are now up to date :)
[23:18] <Acs> jmarsden indeed :D
[23:18] <Psi-Jack__> jmarsden: Hmm, what would the module be named to load, then?
[23:19] <jmarsden> That's not something I have used, but there are a bucnh of modules related to IP and netfilter that start with ip or nf respectively...
[23:19] <Acs> jmarsden thanks again for the help
[23:19] <jmarsden> Acs: No problem.
[23:20] <jmarsden> Psi-Jack__: Look under /lib/modules/2.6.28-15-generic/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ and see if anything likely is there?
[23:21] <Psi-Jack__> Well, according to a wordpress site, I'm seeing for Hardy at least, ipp2p match support has to be patched in, but I'm using 9.04
[23:22] <Psi-Jack__> But the wordpess articles' not in English, so hard to truely grasp what it's talking about. ;)
[23:23] <jmarsden> It may be the same for 9.04... you can always just apt-get install linux-source and see how it is configured.
[23:23]  * Psi-Jack__ nods.
[23:24] <Psi-Jack__> Heh, basically trying to figure out how to get shorewall to tc torrent traffic. ;)
[23:24] <Psi-Jack__> and ipp2p, is the suggested method.
[23:24] <Psi-Jack__> Otherwise, I won't know how I'd set the port stuff appropriately.
[23:24] <Psi-Jack__> don't*
[23:27] <jmarsden> Hmm, there is an xtables-addons source package that might be relevant, in Jaunty and Karmic.  But its only there as a source package, not binary package.
[23:28] <Psi-Jack__> Hmm, apt-cache search doesn't find that for me.
[23:28] <Psi-Jack__> !find xtables-addons
[23:28] <jmarsden> Try   rmadison xtables-addons
[23:29] <Psi-Jack__> I don't have rmadison? heh
[23:30] <jmarsden> sudo apt-get install devscripts    will fix that.
[23:32] <Psi-Jack__> Gotcha. I'm seeing in in jaunty/universe as you said, as source only.
[23:32] <jmarsden> It has project pages on LP, too, at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xtables-addons ... but I've not found online docs saying exactly what is in it...
[23:32] <Psi-Jack__> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1221877
[23:33] <Psi-Jack__> This is one thing I found about ipp2p for jaunty.
[23:33] <Psi-Jack__> So far, everything''s leading to rolling a custom kernel.
[23:34] <jmarsden> That post grabs sources from all over the place... be *careful* if you follow that!
[23:34] <Psi-Jack__> Yeah, exactly my thoughts
[23:35] <Psi-Jack__> Does it look to appear to make a .deb package out of it all, to you, in the end?
[23:36] <jmarsden> I'd say either a custom kernel or at least a custom compiled kernel module, yes.  I wonder if that xtables-addons package will let you build this capability as a module?
[23:36] <jmarsden> No, it looks like the post builds a kernel module and loads it.  no package in sight.
[23:36] <jmarsden> Very 1990s :)
[23:36] <Psi-Jack__> Wait..
[23:36] <Psi-Jack__> But it uses make-kpgk
[23:37] <Psi-Jack__> Isn't that the ubuntu way to roll your own into .deb files?
[23:37] <ycy> is there a way to see very change in /var/log files? a sort of multi-tail of every file?
[23:37] <ycy> a sort of... cruise?
[23:37] <Psi-Jack__> ycy: Hmmm., sounds to me like you would benefit with rsyslog.
[23:38] <Psi-Jack__> ycy: With rsyslog, you could log into pgsql or mysql, and use phplogcon to view it.
[23:39] <Psi-Jack__> jmarsden: YIKES! This posting, links /usr/src/linux to /usr/src/linux-2.8.26
[23:39] <Psi-Jack__> Heh
[23:39]  * Psi-Jack__ scratches this off the list, quickly!
[23:40] <jmarsden> Psi-Jack__: Ah, yes, so he does make a custom kernel package... but then after that he removes iptables and copies a kernel module directly into the filesystem and loads it... it looks... "interesting"
[23:40] <Psi-Jack__> Hmmm
[23:40] <Psi-Jack__> I don't like that either, then. LOl
[23:41] <Psi-Jack__> So basically, for sure, getting ipp2p support is a chore.
[23:41] <Psi-Jack__> Prolly worth it if ya need it, but a chore, regardless.
[23:41] <jmarsden> ycy: sudo apt-get install multitail
[23:41] <jmarsden> Psi-Jack__: Looks that way.
[23:42] <Psi-Jack__> multitail? interesting.
[23:42] <jmarsden> http://www.vanheusden.com/multitail/
[23:43] <Psi-Jack__> Impressive. ;)
[23:43] <Psi-Jack__> I still like my phplogcon method though.
[23:43] <jmarsden> Yes... look at the example: http://www.vanheusden.com/multitail/images/sd/lotsofwindows.png
[23:43] <Psi-Jack__> That helped me determine my pgsql server box was having issues with acpi and the cooling fans.
[23:43] <Psi-Jack__> End result, I had to pretty much annoyingly disable acpi altogether, which is sad.
[23:44] <jmarsden> I had an HP server tell me "fan 4" was dead and rebooting... trouble was, there were only 3 fans in the thing... I think we just replaced the chassis :)
[23:44] <Psi-Jack__> Yep.
[23:45] <Psi-Jack__> Mine only had FAN, 1 fan, and it couldn't turn it on. Every 6 seconds.
[23:45] <Psi-Jack__> It thought the CPU needed to be -266 C
[23:45] <Psi-Jack__> And it was hellfire bent on making it happen. ;}
[23:45] <jmarsden> All that server hardware smarts is great when it works... but sometimes it just doesn't
[23:46] <Psi-Jack__> Yeah.
[23:46] <Psi-Jack__> I just can't see -266 C being a good thing for a CPU. ;}
[23:46] <jmarsden> Well, that's a few degrees above absolute zero... might be able to overclock it quite a bit :) :)
[23:46] <Psi-Jack__> I think it was the common problem that it used the 5-byte ACPI message codes, instead of the standardized 6-byte.
[23:47] <Psi-Jack__> And Linux to current date, I don't think has workaround stuff for that, where-as FreeBSD does.
[23:48] <Psi-Jack__> Anyway, I guess I'll try to tc torrent another way for now.
[23:49] <Psi-Jack__> Without ipp2p, just to see if it'll work.
[23:51] <Psi-Jack__> ERROR: SOURCE/DEST PORT(S) not allowed with PROTO all : /etc/shorewall/tcrules (line 15)
[23:51] <Psi-Jack__> Bleh
[23:52] <xenoterracide> I've got a command set to run in cron at  45 *  *   *   *
[23:52] <xenoterracide> when I run the command by hand it works
[23:52] <xenoterracide> however it doesn't seem to be running by cront
[23:52] <xenoterracide> cron*
[23:52] <xenoterracide> any idea's why?
[23:52] <Psi-Jack__> Blah! Even more blah!
[23:52] <jmarsden> PATH or environment variable differences, most likely.
[23:53] <xenoterracide> I used the full path to the command
[23:53] <Psi-Jack__> At least ubuntu, has shorewall 4.2.x, but gentoo, looking at my work servers, only has ebuilds up to 4.0, unmasked, 4.2 masked.
[23:53] <jmarsden> xenoterracide: what is the command in question?
[23:53] <xenoterracide> it's a custom backup script I wrote
[23:54] <xenoterracide>  /var/www/oblivionet.com/scripts/backup.sh < that's the path
[23:54] <jmarsden> Then check the #! line at the top, and that all paths within the script are full paths or in a PATH you set at the beginning of the script.
[23:54] <xenoterracide> #!/bin/bash
[23:55] <jmarsden> xenoterracide: You can also to<EMAIL_ADDRESS> in the crontab file before the line concerned and see if it sends you email about any errors...
[23:55] <xenoterracide> that cron is right to run every hour at the 45 minute mark right?
[23:55] <jmarsden> Looks right to me.
[23:57] <jmarsden> Test with   40 * * * * /bin/date
[23:57] <Psi-Jack__> Ayup. It's right.
[23:57] <jmarsden> and see if<EMAIL_ADDRESS>mails you the date and time, so you know cron itself is working.
[23:59] <xenoterracide> ok I changed that to 0 and put the MAILTO at the top of the crontab for my user