[04:05] <kubunturocks> jucato - they might as well call it spyware/adware player
[04:05] <exceswater> pingui
[04:05] <exceswater> a lemmings clone
[04:05] <exceswater> sorry
[04:05] <exceswater> PINGUS
[04:05] <intelikey> exceswater because this is a binary distro not a source distro   first learn to use the package manager to install binarry packages then you can install the build essential package
[04:05] <kubunturocks> jucato - yea me too
[04:05] <Hawkwind> exceswater: sudo apt-get install pingus
[04:06] <Hawkwind> exceswater: Use the package manager that the distro comes with.  No need to compile most things that are included in the distros repos
[04:06] <Admiral_Chicago> exceswater, open up a terminal and type sudo apt-get install pingus
[04:06] <Admiral_Chicago> as Hawkwind suggested
[04:06] <exceswater> 10x
[04:06] <Hawkwind> !info pingus
[04:06] <ubotu> pingus: Free Lemmings(TM) clone. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.0-8.3 (dapper), package size 656 kB, installed size 1664 kB
[04:06] <Jucato> yep. you can install it straight from Adept
[04:06] <exceswater> it's working
[04:07] <exceswater> and you know how to make the same with CLanbomber
[04:07] <Jucato> actually Real Media isn't that bad, I think. maybe the player could just do away with some of the ads...
[04:07] <exceswater>  ??
[04:07] <Hawkwind> exceswater: apt-cache search pingus   You can search for apps by replacing 'pingus' with what you want to find
[04:07] <exceswater> ok
[04:07] <exceswater> 10x
[04:07] <Jucato> exceswater: yep
[04:07] <Hawkwind> exceswater: sudo apt-get install clanbomber ?
[04:07] <Jucato> !info clanbomber
[04:07] <ubotu> clanbomber: Bomberman like game. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.05cdbs-3 (dapper), package size 127 kB, installed size 376 kB
[04:07] <exceswater> and the last thing
[04:07] <Jucato> exceswater: you can search for those game titles in Adept.
[04:07] <kubunturocks> jucato - i love free/open applications more than anything =).
[04:07] <exceswater> sometimes... when i install games from Adept
[04:08] <exceswater> i cannot find them in my folders or  in my menus ?
[04:08] <exceswater> why ?
[04:08] <Jucato> an annoying Kubuntu bug...
[04:08] <Hawkwind> exceswater: Probably because your menus haven't updated when you check
[04:08] <exceswater> i have to say that i am a new user to kubuntu...
[04:08] <Jucato> the K Menu isn't updated immediately
[04:08] <Swatgoss> exceswater u have a ADD/REMOVE PROGRAMS in Kmenu ?
[04:08] <exceswater> even after restart ?
[04:08] <exceswater> yes
[04:08] <Swatgoss> exceswater u have some games in here :p
[04:08] <exceswater> yes Swatgoss
[04:08] <Hawkwind> exceswater: You can run kmenuedit, click on Save then the menus should show the new stuff
[04:08] <kubunturocks> excesswater - we are all nice here so dont worry =)
[04:09] <reagleBRKLN> is there a dapper src for kplayer? can't find it anywhere anymore
[04:09] <Jucato> exceswater: it will be added after you log out and back in again. or type this in Konsole (command line): "kbuildsycoca --incremental"
[04:09] <waspius> i tried to upgrade kde to kde3.5.4 but after downloading all of the files it still shows i am 3.5.2
[04:09] <Jucato> kubunturocks: yeah, but I was talking about the media format. :-D
[04:09] <Hawkwind> waspius: Have you restarted KDE ?
[04:09] <waylandbill> waspius, were any packages held back?
[04:09] <exceswater> ok
[04:09] <exceswater> 10x guys
[04:09] <waspius> i restarted my pc
[04:09] <exceswater> you've been a great help
[04:10] <exceswater> bye
[04:10] <waspius> waylandbill: no i dont think so
[04:10] <exceswater> and have a nice weekend :D
[04:10] <Hawkwind> waspius: dpkg -l kdeabse
[04:10] <Hawkwind> waspius: What does that tell you for the version number ?
[04:10] <intelikey> anyone here ever use linux as a telephone answering service ?    how hard is the setup ?   what apps ?
[04:10] <Jucato> hm.. "dpkg -l kdebase"
[04:10] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Heh, thanks
[04:10] <fdoving> _thumper_: do you have a d-link router?
[04:10] <Jucato> ^_^
[04:11] <waylandbill> waspius, for some reason, when I went to 3.5.4 it held back stuff until I did a dist-upgrade for some unknown reason.
[04:11] <Jucato> yeah, you probably should dist-upgrade... though I'm not sure if that's the proper way to do it...
[04:11] <Un-punkt-tot> hi there
[04:12] <waspius> Hawkwind: it says need an action option
[04:12] <Un-punkt-tot> I have some question about the dapper drake live cd: how long does it take to start cups?
[04:12] <Swatgoss> 3 days
[04:12] <Un-punkt-tot> sorry: cupsd
[04:13] <intelikey> 3days 2hours  then
[04:13] <Jucato> waspius: btw, how are you checking the KDE version?
[04:13] <waspius> Jucato: from help
[04:13] <Jucato> ok
[04:13] <Jucato> hm..
[04:13] <Un-punkt-tot> you are kidding or you are not talking to me, are you?
[04:13] <Hawkwind> waspius: kde-config --version | grep KDE
[04:14] <waspius> Hawkwind: 3.5.2
[04:14] <Jucato> hmm...
[04:14] <Hawkwind> waspius: Then it seems packages got held back and not everything got updated
[04:14] <intelikey> Un-punkt-tot yes kidding... >:)    really only a few seconds  unless there is a network error that has to time out.
[04:14] <_thumper_> fdoving: netgear dg632
[04:14] <Hawkwind> waspius: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:14] <Jucato> waspius: have you tried "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"??
[04:15] <Jucato> grr!  I remember why a normal upgrade won't work!
[04:15] <Un-punkt-tot> intelikey, I try to boot from the live cd, and it always stops at cupsd. does it need cupsd to install properly, or can I somehow switch that off?
[04:16] <Hawkwind> waspius: Who said that ?
[04:16] <waspius> someone in ubuntu
[04:16] <waspius> or kde
[04:16] <Jucato> kdelibs-bin is supposed to be replaced/superceded by kdelib4c2 in KDE 3.5.4, that's why it has to be removed. But a plain upgrade doesn't remove packages, it only upgrades installed packages, right?
[04:16] <intelikey> Un-punkt-tot the live cd is krap imo.  if possable dl and install from the alternate cd
[04:16] <Jucato> btw, I personally can't recommend upgrading to KDE 3.5.4, unless you have an absolute need to..
[04:17] <Hawkwind> waspius: Have you run sudo apt-get install -f   ?
[04:17] <waspius> Hawkwins but it is all fined: ye
[04:17] <Un-punkt-tot> great :(
[04:17] <fdoving> _thumper_: did you check for firmware updates for it?
[04:17] <intelikey> Un-punkt-tot yeah.  i was very disappointed with shipit
[04:17] <_thumper_> fdoving: nope, not looked at that - it's not my router (work one)
[04:18] <Un-punkt-tot> intelikey, is there some online doc how to install from the alternate cd like for gentoo?
[04:18] <Hawkwind> waspius: Why are you wanting to upgrade to 3.5.4 anyways ?
[04:18] <waspius> Hawkwind: i basically wantes to upgrade cause i want my keyboard language to change back and forth with the shortcut but it does not
[04:18] <Hawkwind> waspius: It still has many issues.  You should stick with 3.5.3
[04:18] <Jucato> aaah
[04:18] <fdoving> _thumper_: after googling for a while i can see most of the people with the same problem fixes it by either forcing another DNS (you can use ipaddress. <IP_ADDRESS>), or doing a firmware upgrade on the router.
[04:18] <Hawkwind> waspius: You won't enjoy 3.5.4 with all the problems it has
[04:18] <Jucato> waspius: try KDE 3.5.3. it might have fixed that
[04:18] <waspius> Hawkwind: i have 3.5.2
[04:19] <_thumper_> fdoving: thanks, I'll follow that up
[04:19] <intelikey> Un-punkt-tot there is a short help screen [f1]  at the boot prompt that can help you get started yeah
[04:19] <Hawkwind> waspius: I understand that.  Update to 3.5.3
[04:19] <waspius> Jucato: how do i go to 3.5.3?
[04:19] <Jucato> same way you could get 3.5.4, through a special repository
[04:19] <Hawkwind> waspius: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-353/ dapper main
[04:19] <waspius> Hawkwind: thanx
[04:19] <Jucato> ^_^
[04:19] <Jucato> wasn't fast enough...
[04:20] <Timmmm> Why not use 3.5.4?
[04:20] <Un-punkt-tot> great... I'll be dead tomorrow :(
[04:20] <waspius> just insert that in repos right?
[04:20] <Hawkwind> Timmmm: It's got lots of issues
[04:20] <Hawkwind> waspius: Add it to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:20] <waspius> ok
[04:20] <Hawkwind> waspius: Then do:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:20] <Jucato> waspius: and remove the line for KDE 3.5.4
[04:20] <isenburk> hey everyone, im still a newbie, and i was wondering if there was any way to get the user's IP ADDRESS on KOPETE ?
[04:20] <waspius> ok done..thanx
[04:20] <Hawkwind> waspius: Or remove the line for kde-latest
[04:21] <Jucato> there's another KDE 3.5.4 bug in System Settings that makes it crash
[04:21] <intelikey> Un-punkt-tot also there "may" be a way to force no cupsys loading on the live cd  but even then  the installer is still krap warmed over.
[04:21] <Jucato> this one I'm sure was reported already in Launchpad and bugs.kde.org
[04:22] <Timmmm> System Settings in general is a bit rubbish (Except for the search thing - that is really cool). It doesn't even show all the kcm modules.
[04:22] <Un-punkt-tot> ok, i have managed to install gentoo, so why shouldn't I manage kubuntu, thanks a lot intelikey
[04:22] <isenburk> hey everyone, im still a newbie, and i was wondering if there was any way to get the user's IP ADDRESS on KOPETE ?
[04:23] <fdoving> isenburk: please don't repeat your question every 2 minutes. We did see you the first time.
[04:23] <Buldden> hi
[04:24] <waylandbill> isenburk: the app talks to a central server, not another user directly, so if the server doesn't provide this info, then you don't necessarily have access to it without a direct connection.
[04:25] <magdi> Hello! I would have 2 w
[04:25] <Hawkwind> isenburk: /dns <nick>   If the user doesn't have a user cloak furnished by Freenode, then you will get their IP#
[04:25] <intelikey> error opening security policy file /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy
[04:26] <magdi> Hello! I would have 2 questions. 1. what is the md5 sum of the kubuntu alternative iso? 2. (I forget it)
[04:26] <intelikey> report from 'startx'
[04:26] <Hawkwind> magdi: Get it from the mirror you downloaded the ISO from
[04:26] <Jucato> magdi: you have to check it from the page where you downloaded it.
[04:26] <Jucato> grr!! Hawkwind types fast...
[04:26] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Type faster :P
[04:26] <JohnFlux> Jucato: uh
[04:26] <magdi> Jucato: Hawkwind: I can't find it there
[04:26] <JohnFlux> Jucato: what's the point of checking the md5sum from the page you download it from
[04:26] <Hawkwind> magdi: What mirror did you download it from ?
[04:27] <Jucato> JohnFlux: because it will tell you whether your download was corrupted or not
[04:27] <Hawkwind> JohnFlux: He wants to verify the md5sum is correct
[04:27] <magdi> Oh, my 2nd question. How could I setup my touchpad mouse to use its right side as a scroller?
[04:27] <intelikey> Jucato or set Hawkwind on ignore then you wont know he posted first.  :)
[04:27] <magdi> Europe (the 1st)
[04:27] <Jucato> intelikey: lol!
[04:27] <JohnFlux> Hawkwind: surely the point would for security
[04:27] <Hawkwind> intelikey: LOL
[04:27] <Hawkwind> JohnFlux: Ummm no
[04:27] <Jucato> ha! beat you to that one Hawkwind
[04:27] <magdi> Hawkwind: using torrent
[04:27] <JohnFlux> Hawkwind: tcp/ip is pretty decent errorchecking wise hmm
[04:27] <Hawkwind> magdi: Then it's included in the download more than likely
[04:27] <JohnFlux> Hawkwind: okay it will still allow certain errors, but seems unlikely
[04:28] <Hawkwind> JohnFlux: Doesn't mean it can't still error.  You should 'always' md5sum any downloaded ISO file
[04:28] <Jucato> Hawkwind: nope. the md5sums aren't included in the torrent
[04:28] <soulrider> hi everyone
[04:28] <Jucato> hi soulrider
[04:28] <JohnFlux> Hawkwind: why?
[04:28] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Strange.  They should be included
[04:28] <magdi> Hawkwind: I thought that it will be, but it isn't! And every time when I booted the system from the CD, and checked it, it wrote me that it is corrupted.
[04:28] <JohnFlux> Hawkwind: oh misread the first part sorry
[04:28] <Hawkwind> JohnFlux: To verify integrity so you don't waste your time burning it to a CD to find out the download was bad
[04:28] <Jucato> dunno why they aren't, if they're supposed to be
[04:28] <intelikey> hmmm i suppose that error was because /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy does not exist....    ;/
[04:29] <Hawkwind> magdi: Look at any mirror with the ISO images then
[04:29] <magdi> Hawkwind: slooooooooooow :)
[04:29] <Hawkwind> magdi: Slow what ?
[04:29] <magdi> Hawkwind: to download the iso images
[04:29] <Jucato> magdi: the md5sums are in the MD5SUM file that at the top  of the list of any mirror/download page
[04:30] <Hawkwind> magdi: You don't need to download the ISO again.  Just look at a mirror and get the md5sum.asc file
[04:30] <magdi> Jucato: I use this page, where is the md5? http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/6.06/
[04:30] <waylandbill> yes TCP has some error correction, but certainly there are more factors than just the transfer, such as hardware issues causing a corruption or damaged media.
[04:30] <magdi> oh, I see it, thx%
[04:30] <intelikey> not even a /etc/X11/xserver dir    is that normal ?
[04:30] <magdi> !
[04:30] <Jucato> err...
[04:30] <Jucato>  @_@
[04:31] <Jucato> Hawkwind:  there are no .asc files
[04:31] <syntaxx> how can i put a my computer icon on my desktop?
[04:31] <Jucato> only MD5SUM
[04:31] <magdi> Hmmm, it's strange, it gave me the same sum, although at the before-install-check it gave me an error
[04:31] <Jucato> magdi: the it could probably have been a bad burn
[04:31] <magdi> syntaxx: what do you mean by "My Computer"?
[04:31] <intelikey> well made the dir and touched the security file   that stopped the error message.
[04:32] <syntaxx> magdi: that shows my devices like cd rom floopy drive hard disk
[04:32] <syntaxx> magdi: just like windows my computer
[04:32] <magdi> something like media:/ in konqueror?
[04:32] <syntaxx> magdi: yes
[04:33] <JohnFlux> syntaxx: we have system:/   which is closer
[04:33] <syntaxx> ok
[04:33] <Jucato> syntaxx: right-click on the destkop Create New > Link to URL
[04:33] <jott> intelikey: mine is a link to
[04:33] <jott> /usr/lib/xserver/SecurityPolicy
[04:33] <jott> ....and part of xserver-xgl
[04:33] <Jucato> in the the Enter link to location part, enter system:/ or media:/ (your choice)
[04:33] <pescobar> hello
[04:34] <Jucato> then give it a name like My Computer (yech...)
[04:34] <Jucato> ^_^
[04:34] <intelikey> what generates this ERROR message when starting k3b "can't talk to klauncher!" ?
[04:34] <waylandbill> syntaxx: keep in mind that many automount devices will appear on the desktop when they mount, unless told not to.
[04:34] <syntaxx> waylandbill: when i put media:// in konqueror i cant find my cd rom in it
[04:35] <Jucato> syntaxx: it won't show up unless there's a CD in it
[04:35] <syntaxx> Jucato: theres a cd in it
[04:35] <waylandbill> syntaxx: is it mounted?
[04:35] <intelikey> jott yeah thanks.   i'm trying to get k3b to burn cd's     actually not kde but xfce4  that shouldn't matter.
[04:36] <Jucato> [Commercial]  Interesting video about Ubuntu, XGL, and Touchscreens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx9FgLr9oTk
[04:36] <intelikey> error i'm getting is "can't talk to klauncher!"
[04:36] <syntaxx> waylandbill: how can i mount it if theres no media cd rom icon in there?
[04:37] <Jucato> you could check if it's mounted/read properly by going to /media/<mount point for CD-ROM>
[04:37] <waylandbill> syntaxx: if it's in the /etc/fstab and set to auto mount, it should just mount.
[04:37] <Jucato> in my case it's /media/cdrom0 or /media/cdrom1
[04:37] <syntaxx> waylandbill: ok
[04:37] <syntaxx> thanks
[04:39] <intelikey> ok so i'll manually start klauncher  then start k3b   and it says.....
[04:40] <intelikey> hmmm same error.    "can't talk to klauncher!"
[04:41] <swatgoss> try shouting :p
[04:41] <Jucato>  @_@
[04:41] <syntaxx> waylandbill: now its mounted how can i make it to run? i tried to cd /cdrom but it doesnt have any file in it
[04:42] <waylandbill> syntaxx: what do you mean make it run? like open to show the files?
[04:42] <jott> intelikey: have you checked you have access to /tmp/.ICE-unix ?
[04:42] <syntaxx> waylandbill: im trying to install the file using wine
[04:42] <intelikey> jott i hope root has access...
[04:43] <syntaxx> waylandbill: so wine /cdrom/file.exe?
[04:43] <Jucato> syntaxx: actually it's "wine <.exe file>
[04:43] <waylandbill> syntaxx: you need to give the exe as an argument to wine
[04:43] <Jucato> (no quotes)
[04:43] <waylandbill> syntaxx: right, wine [mount point] /file.exe
[04:43] <syntaxx> Jucato: but how can i run .exe file if theres not .exe in /cdrom?
[04:43] <intelikey> that's another thing.  i can't seem to get xdm to allow user login with null passwd....
[04:44] <Jucato> syntaxx: err... I thought you were trying to install something from the CD ROM?
[04:44] <syntaxx> Jucato: yes
[04:44] <waylandbill> intelikey: i thought null password disables login
[04:44] <Jucato> then there should be an .exe file there. otherwise, how will it run, even in Windows?
[04:44] <syntaxx> but when i try to wine /dev/hdc/Install.exe wont work cannot find the file
[04:44] <syntaxx> hdc is my cdrom
[04:45] <Jucato> syntaxx: no you don't go to /dev directly
[04:45] <swatgoss> can a routeur "bug" some specific ports randomly ?, my connection is tilting, 1sec it work (slowly but work) and the sec after it don't ...
[04:45] <Jucato> you use the mount points
[04:45] <syntaxx> Jucato: whats the mount points then? hdc?
[04:45] <pierreth> why cannot select a package in adept?
[04:45] <syntaxx> Jucato: or /cdrom?
[04:45] <intelikey> syntaxx   mount   should show a list of what's mounted.    sudo mount /dev/hd? /cdrom    where ? is the proper ide device  a,b,c,d  should mount an ide cdrom device
[04:45] <Jucato> syntaxx: check your fstab for that info
[04:45] <waylandbill> syntaxx: [mount point]  refers to the actual mounted point. :-D
[04:45] <Jucato> syntaxx: it will have something like "/dev/hdc /media/<whatever is here>
[04:46] <intelikey> waylandbill locked password disables login.
[04:46] <syntaxx> ok thanks i got it
[04:47] <intelikey> waylandbill null password is passwordless login.  you only type the name, it doesn't prompt for a password because everything matches.
[04:47] <Jucato> it will probably be something like /media/cdrom0 or /media/cdrom1 (the /media/cdrom is just a link)
[04:47] <swatgoss> some1 know a network help channel ?
[04:47] <syntaxx> Jucato: well it wont install since it was a 4 cd it needs to be mounted also
[04:47] <waylandbill> intelikey: ick. I don't like the thought of that!
[04:47] <swatgoss> (not specific to linux or win)
[04:47] <Jucato> syntaxx: it can still install even if it's a multiple CD installer
[04:47] <intelikey> waylandbill on your system i wouldn't either.
[04:48] <syntaxx> :D
[04:48] <waylandbill> intelikey: convenience login is enough itself. :-)
[04:49] <waspius> how can i make irc join automaticly 4 channels?
[04:49] <intelikey> convenience ?
[04:49] <pierreth> i am unable to install audacity
[04:49] <intelikey> as in automated
[04:49] <intelikey> pierreth sudo apt-get install audacity   ?
[04:49] <JRH3K5> Is there a good piece of software that would allow my Kubuntu machine to hibernate and wake on LAN?
[04:49] <Hawkwind> waspius: Depends on the IRC client
[04:49] <waylandbill> intelikey: yeah, where you skip kdm and go right to the splash on the selected user.
[04:50] <waspius> Hawkwind: kirc
[04:50] <pierreth> intelikey: no, the package is not there, i am in adept
[04:50] <intelikey> !repos > pierreth
[04:50] <Hawkwind> pierreth: From a terminal type: sudo apt-get install audacity
[04:50] <Hawkwind> !info audacity
[04:50] <ubotu> audacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.4b-2ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 1842 kB, installed size 5460 kB
[04:51] <Hawkwind> waspius: Can't help ya there.  I only use Xchat
[04:51] <waspius> Hawkwind: is that better?
[04:51] <pierreth> Hawkwind: i does not work, no package audacity
[04:51] <waspius> pierreth: try through afept
[04:51] <Hawkwind> pierreth: So enable all the repos, like universe
[04:52] <waspius> pierreth: sorry adept
[04:52] <Hawkwind> waspius: He is trying through adept
[04:52] <waspius> oh ok
[04:52] <intelikey> !repos > intelikey
[04:52] <Hawkwind> waspius: It's better for me as I like it.  You should try it yourself and see how *you* like it
[04:52] <waspius> Hawkwind: ok thanc
[04:52] <waspius> x
[04:52] <intelikey> i could sware i sent that message   ^^^^^
[04:52] <pierreth> waspius: i have it in adept, but when i check the checkbox, it get again unselected
[04:52] <Hawkwind> intelikey: You did
[04:53] <Hawkwind> pierreth: Read what the bot sent you in pm about enabling all the repos
[04:53] <pierreth> Hawkwind: ok, I will do that, thank you
[04:53] <waylandbill> waspius: the universal answer to "better" or "best" is if it does what you need it to do.
[04:53] <waspius> Hawkwind: but as he can see it does that not mean that his repos are enabled?
[04:54] <waspius> waylandbill: coorect:)
[04:54] <intelikey> the factoid on repos is very un-informative btw
[04:55] <intelikey> most of the factoids are.  ;/
[04:55] <Hawkwind> intelikey: I agree.  The ops should put someone in charge of making them better and more user friendly
[04:56] <intelikey> Hawkwind they used to be and every improvement was met with a reverting to less usefulness and even deletion
[04:56] <intelikey> bot is very near useless nowadays
[04:58] <ballchalk> helllloooo
[04:58] <Hawkwind> Maybe we could talk Seveas or someone like Hobbsee to convince him of letting us redo the db in the bot to make it better for all of us
[04:58] <JohnFlux> the debian bot lets anyone add factoids
[04:59] <intelikey> but it's all in the name of progress    make it more windowish/WindowUserFriendly      so mo pow to em   hehhe
[04:59] <Seveas> the Ubuntu bot not due to the very high volume of abuse
[04:59] <deb> Hi *
[04:59] <ballchalk> has anyone been able to get itunes running thourgh wine?
[04:59] <ballchalk> i can't get mine to install
[04:59] <Seveas> if you have suggestions for improvement, just say so
[04:59] <JohnFlux> Seveas: why does the debian one work so well ?
[04:59] <JohnFlux> Seveas: and they don't get such abuse?
[05:00] <Seveas> simple, the people in #debian scare people away
[05:00] <deb> I just upgraded to edgy and now I am not able to mount a ntfs partition .
[05:00] <JohnFlux> Seveas: what crap
[05:00] <Jucato> errr... i was about to "lol"... but...
[05:00] <deb> any suggestions ?
[05:00] <intelikey> now there's a thought
[05:00] <Seveas> JohnFlux, it's true though
[05:00] <JohnFlux> Seveas: no it's not - it's has more than double the number of people on the channel compared to here
[05:01] <Hawkwind> Seveas: Not really improvements that are needed.  The facts need redoing for a lot of them to make them more user friendly and to provide a bit better information
[05:01] <Seveas> JohnFlux, #ubuntu channel has become bigger than #debian within a year
[05:01] <Seveas> Hawkwind, if you have suggestions for improvement, just say so
[05:01] <Seveas> JohnFlux, with those users a lot of abuse also came in
[05:01] <Jucato> JohnFlux: this it the #kubuntu channel... it's bound to have less people than #ubuntu
[05:02] <Hawkwind> Seveas: Is the bug with adding/updating facts fixed now ?
[05:02] <Seveas> Hawkwind, almost -- it would have been fixed if people wouldn't keep interrupting me for nonsens
[05:02] <JohnFlux> Seveas: the point still stands. they have >600 people - why can't we have an open bot but they can?  just putting it down to them "scaring away users" is just silly
[05:02] <Seveas> JohnFlux, we have 900 users, they jave less than 600
[05:03] <Seveas> JohnFlux, to sum it up: it was open, a lot of abuse was the result so it is now closed. live with it or ignore it
[05:03] <intelikey> Seveas he may have meant a kubotu
[05:03] <intelikey> ?
[05:04] <Jucato> nah! no need for a kubotu. we just need to update the docs to include Kubuntu instructions
[05:04] <Admiral_Chicago> wow, #ubuntu is huge
[05:04] <intelikey> but why?  isn't kubuntu supposed to be a fork ?
[05:04] <Jucato> I'm scared to go there :-D
[05:04] <Seveas> intelikey, no
[05:05] <intelikey> oh.  ok.
[05:05] <Seveas> if factoids could be improved for kubuntu, just suggest improvements. Many factoids have instructions for both ubuntu and kubuntu
[05:05] <ballchalk> can anyone help me with sound? i mean to play restricted mp3s? i've installed the pakcages still won't wokr
[05:05] <Seveas> !mp3 > ballchalk
[05:05] <ballchalk> excse my spelling
[05:05] <Jucato> Kubuntu is a derivative distro, not a fork
[05:06] <nagyv> how can I check the md5sum of a CD? I know what was the sum of the iso, but don't know wheather the burning was successful.
[05:06] <Seveas> nagyv, mdvsum /dev/hdc (or whatever your cd drive is)
[05:06] <Hawkwind> Seveas: If someone like myself wanted to add/edit a bunch of the facts, would it be best to email you a list of everything ?
[05:06] <Seveas> md5sum*
[05:06] <Admiral_Chicago> ballchalk, what guide did you use?
[05:06] <Seveas> Hawkwind, or simply ask to be added as editor ;)
[05:06] <JohnFlux> couldn't we have an open bot, and a closed one?
[05:07] <Hawkwind> Seveas: Ahhh.  Can I be added as an editor :)
[05:07] <Seveas> JohnFlux, that's about as useless as it gets
[05:07] <JohnFlux> Seveas: why?
[05:07] <Jucato> Seveas: actually the factoids aren't just the problem. Some of the wiki/help pages that ubotu points to doesn't have Kubuntu-specific instructions
[05:07] <Seveas> Hawkwind, sure, once I fix the thing so edits actually work ;)
[05:07] <Seveas> Jucato, then the wiki page has to be improved
[05:07] <Hawkwind> Seveas: Many thanks.  Just let me know when
[05:07] <Seveas> it's a wiki, iprove it
[05:07] <hoopy> i just installed kubuntu, how does one become super user???
[05:07] <JohnFlux> Seveas: better than having a closed useless bot
[05:07] <Hawkwind> Jucato: That's where you and I come into play and fix the wiki page(s) :P
[05:07] <hoopy> it never had me set up a root password
[05:07] <Seveas> hoopy, sudo -i
[05:07] <Jucato> Seveas: yeah, that was what I was telling intelikey :-D
[05:07] <dr_willis_> !sudo
[05:07] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:08] <hoopy> cool
[05:08] <waspius> does anyone knoe how i can make a remote desktop connection with windows?
[05:08] <Seveas> JohnFlux, useless people are even worse and if you'll excuse me, you're now on /ignore
[05:08] <ballchalk> seveas what?
[05:08] <Admiral_Chicago> waspius, under linux?
[05:08] <Hawkwind> ballchalk: Read what the bot said to you in pm
[05:08] <waspius> Admiral_Chicago: yes
[05:08] <Jucato> kdrc and kfrb?
[05:08] <ballchalk> admiral_chicago i used that 3 links on the ubuntu web and installed all the packages that were in the list
[05:09] <nagyv> ballchalk: pm = private message
[05:09] <Admiral_Chicago> ballchalk, did you check alsamixer
[05:09] <ballchalk> i use kaffiene and amarok still wont do it
[05:09] <Admiral_Chicago> run the command "alsamixer" under konsole
[05:09] <ballchalk> the ugly and bad and evil packages are installed lol
[05:09] <dr_willis_> waspius,  could use vnc on both of them.. or  use that windows remote desktop feature and the gnome/kde remote desktop tool
[05:09] <Admiral_Chicago> and try changing the sound engine to alsa or oss and back
[05:09] <ballchalk> hawkwind yea i did those were the sites
[05:09] <intelikey> 0x61 0x00 0x00  that is  a s.square s.square   is some sort of face ?
[05:10] <pierreth> thank you, have now audacity
[05:10] <ballchalk> admiral_chicago oh not yet
[05:11] <excitatory> question.. i just did a fresh install on a second machine..i'm attempting to install openssh, but it's not working.  The error appears to be something with locking the passwd file.  Here is the dpkg output: http://subfluous.net/dpkg-output.txt
[05:11] <waspius> dr_willis_: do i run desktop sharing or remote desktop connection
[05:12] <intelikey> well i need this cd burner working....   guess i'll leave so i can fix it.
[05:13] <ballchalk> admiral_chicago where can i find engine setting ? i dont see it in kmix or alsamix
[05:14] <Admiral_Chicago> no in amarok
[05:14] <ballchalk> k brb
[05:14] <Admiral_Chicago> settings, config amarok, engine
[05:14] <dr_willis_> waspius,  i always just install the vncservers and clients and do it that way.  You in #e as well?
[05:23] <Hawkwind> MilhousePunkRock: I never leave there :)
[05:23] <Admiral_Chicago> you've exhausted my knowledge on audio... :\
[05:23] <MilhousePunkRock> Aight, I'll be there in a second with e-specific questions...
[05:24] <ballchalk> ahhhh
[05:24] <ballchalk> shii
[05:24] <philippe_> hello
[05:25] <philippe_> It's the first time for me on irc
[05:25] <philippe_> is there someone from belgium in here ?
[05:25] <ballchalk> Admiral_Chicago: so sound works for you? which player do u use to play mp3s?
[05:25] <Admiral_Chicago> amarok
[05:25] <Admiral_Chicago> when it doesn't work, I reboot
[05:25] <ballchalk> and it works?
[05:25] <Admiral_Chicago> the windows method but it works
[05:25] <Admiral_Chicago> yes
[05:25] <Hawkwind> !belgium
[05:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about belgium - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:25] <ballchalk> hmmmm
[05:26] <MilhousePunkRock> !be
[05:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about be - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:26] <ballchalk> can u check to see it's dependencies?
[05:26] <Hawkwind> What's the country code for Belgium ?
[05:26] <Hawkwind> MilhousePunkRock: Ahhh, thanks
[05:26] <philippe_> 32
[05:26] <MilhousePunkRock> Seems there is no belgian channel...
[05:26] <MilhousePunkRock> philippe_ French or Dutch, what do you prefer?
[05:26] <pierreth> can i move the scroll of my applications to the left side?
[05:26] <philippe_> I'm noob on irc
[05:26] <philippe_> french
[05:26] <MilhousePunkRock> !fr
[05:26] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:26] <pierreth> i mean the scroll bar
[05:27] <philippe_> thanks
[05:27] <pierreth> philippe_: allo
[05:27] <philippe_> humm how do I go there from this now on?
[05:27] <philippe_> allo pierret
[05:27] <philippe_> h
[05:27] <dr_willis_> pierreth,  cant say that ive seen that done. other then in 'xterm'
[05:27] <JohnFlux>
[05:27] <philippe_> ?
[05:27] <ballchalk> Admiral_Chicago: i can stream mp3s
[05:27] <Un-punkt-tot> philippe_, type "/join <channelname>"
[05:28] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, i don't understand
[05:28] <pierreth> dr_willis_: ok, why you have that choice there?
[05:28] <philippe_> thanks Un-punk-tot
[05:28] <Admiral_Chicago> try rescanning your collection
[05:28] <Un-punkt-tot> np
[05:28] <philippe_> hello
[05:28] <pierreth> philippe_: est-ce que tu veux que je t'aide en franais?
[05:28] <philippe_> oui je veux bien ...
[05:28] <dr_willis_> pierreth,  its an old-skool X application. and it is customizeable in ways that people today find... weird. :)
[05:28] <philippe_> merci
[05:29] <dr_willis_> like a lot of the old pure Xlib apps.
[05:29] <Tm_T> !fr
[05:29] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:29] <abattoir> !ja
[05:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ja - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:29] <abattoir> !jp
[05:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:29] <Tm_T> abattoir: ?
[05:29] <pierreth> dr_willis_: for me it is now weard :-)
[05:29] <dr_willis_> actually with xterm (and other terminals poerhaps?) there may be a left side scroll option.
[05:29] <philippe_> J'ai install le dernier jdk java  l'aide du .bin
[05:29] <Tm_T> philippe_: please use english ;)
[05:29] <philippe_> oops
[05:30] <dr_willis_> sort of sad whenyou see/rember cool ways things used to work.. and now the 'new and improved' stuff dosent have the same functionality
[05:30] <pierreth> Tm_T: we will help him in french to help him move
[05:30] <soulrider> hey everyone
[05:30] <philippe_> I've donwload and installed the latest JDK on my kubuntu distro (default)
[05:30] <abattoir> Tm_T: sorry, my mistake... was trying to see if there were japanese channels... should've pm'd ubotu
[05:30] <philippe_> so, all is installed in /~
[05:30] <pierreth> philippe_: are you ok with english?
[05:30] <Tm_T> pierreth: no problemo
[05:31] <philippe_> Qustion 1 : How could I move this installation for it to be available from all users on my computer ?
[05:31] <pierreth> Tm_T: no problema :-)
[05:31] <MilhousePunkRock> Atari pwns Amiga, dr_willis_
[05:31] <philippe_> yes it is ok for me in english (I'll do my best) thx pierreth
[05:31] <abattoir> Hawkwind: hehe :P
[05:32] <dr_willis_> MilhousePunkRock,  yea.. sure they did.. :)
[05:32] <dr_willis_> Activision :)
[05:32] <pierreth> philippe_: what computer architecture are you using?
[05:32] <philippe_> i386
[05:32] <Tm_T> pierreth: nooo, it's "no problemo" to me ;)
[05:32] <MilhousePunkRock> Not in the literal way though, but there was always competition back than between atari and amiga users...
[05:32] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all, i have kubuntu dapper... is it possible - and have it any intellect - to compile my own kde?
[05:33] <Tm_T> MetaMorfoziS: yes it is
[05:33] <Tm_T> MetaMorfoziS: but possibly it's not wise
[05:33] <pierreth> Tm_T: ok for me it is no problema :-) no problema
[05:33] <Tm_T> hehe
[05:33] <MetaMorfoziS> Is there any manual, for how to start...
[05:33] <MetaMorfoziS> :DDD
[05:33] <MetaMorfoziS> why?
[05:33] <dr_willis_> it can be a pain in the (#*#*# :)
[05:33] <MetaMorfoziS> :)
[05:33] <Tm_T> MetaMorfoziS: well, in best case, you just psend much time for nothing
[05:33] <dr_willis_> and can take some time i am betting.
[05:34] <MetaMorfoziS> :D
[05:34] <Tm_T> MetaMorfoziS: in worst, you don't have anything working in your hands in the end
[05:34] <philippe_> ? pierreth
[05:34] <pierreth> philippe_: are you having a problem with this right now?
[05:34] <Tm_T> MetaMorfoziS: have any reason to do so?
[05:34] <philippe_> well it's my second question ... in deed
[05:34] <MetaMorfoziS> hoh, like nvidia driver manual install... it's familiar
[05:34] <MetaMorfoziS> Tm_t i'm weariness...:)
[05:34] <MetaMorfoziS> and i want to start to friend the compiling...
[05:34] <philippe_> the default settings of kubuntu is to use the gnu free java interpreter ...
[05:35] <Tm_T> I see I see
[05:35] <pierreth> philippe_: just change the owner of your installation if it is the case
[05:35] <philippe_> I want to use the original (the one from sun) to launch my application
[05:35] <Tm_T> MetaMorfoziS: well, to get build dependencies, "apt-get build-dep kdelibs kdebase" is good start
[05:36] <MetaMorfoziS> hm... so if it isn't wise i have an other idea
[05:36] <JohnFlux>
[05:36] <pierreth> philippe_: just make the java sun first in your path
[05:36] <MetaMorfoziS> uh
[05:36] <MetaMorfoziS> JohnFlux: is you normal?:D
[05:36] <philippe_> ok thanks but how ?
[05:36] <MetaMorfoziS> so i want to make a virtual machine, and test how many ram needs the different wm-s and de-s
[05:36] <Tm_T> MetaMorfoziS: after that, check http://kdesvn-build.kde.org/
[05:36] <pierreth> philippe_: how to change your path?
[05:37] <Un-punkt-tot> JohnFlux, how do you do that? writing Japanese....
[05:37] <philippe_> pierreth : Yes, how can I change it ... I'just migrate from winblows ... you know ... (ashamed)
[05:37] <MetaMorfoziS>
[05:37] <MetaMorfoziS> :D
[05:37] <Tm_T> ...
[05:37] <Tm_T> please behave
[05:37] <dr_willis_> export PATH=new/path:statements/go/here:$PATH
[05:37] <ballchalk> hah
[05:37] <dr_willis_> :)
[05:37] <MetaMorfoziS> okay, sorry:)
[05:37] <pierreth> philippe_: is for application to start from the command line only?
[05:37] <dr_willis_> bash basics. check out some of the bash tutorials.
[05:38] <philippe_> for all application, I'm a java developer and teacher ...
[05:38] <pierreth> philippe_: edit your ~/.bashrc
[05:38] <dr_willis_> or .bash_profile
[05:38] <dr_willis_> system wide - theres a /etc/bashprofile (I think)
[05:38] <waylandbill> philippe_: migrating from windoze is nothing to be ashamed of.. smart enough to make the switch. :-)
[05:39] <pierreth> philippe_: add the line dr_willis_ told you to the file
[05:39] <philippe_> thx waylandbill
[05:39] <dr_willis_> better - learn how the PATH stuff in Linux works. :P
[05:39] <dr_willis_> what path are we setting anyway>
[05:39] <pierreth> philippe_: after that, you'll be able to start java app like 'java some.jar'
[05:40] <philippe_> the path to official jre and jdk
[05:40] <philippe_> yes I'learn it but I need this install to work NOW
[05:40] <pierreth> philippe_: you don't where is your jre?
[05:40] <epitaf> ahem.. a person trieX to help me binX a commanX to winXows-button-X. X in my sentence means the key that I now cannot write, namely the last letter of the man in the sky, GOX, get what key I mean? Can someone please help me remove this binX?
[05:40] <MetaMorfoziS> what is the little-st linux?
[05:40] <jott> philippe_: you do not need to change your path when you have the sdk installed from repository.. do "sudo update-alternatives --config java"
[05:40] <MetaMorfoziS> that debian based?:D
[05:41] <dr_willis_> Hmm.. I never had to mess witht he PATH to get Java working
[05:41] <jott> philippe_: and choose the vm you want..
[05:41] <dr_willis_> yea what jott  said.. but i dont think i ever had to do that either.
[05:41] <jott> dr_willis_: well you might still use gcj ;)
[05:41] <dr_willis_> jott,  nope. :P i rember checking that onc3
[05:42] <philippe_> thanks jott it worked fine
[05:42] <philippe_> ithks dr_willis and pierreth
[05:42] <epitaf> hrm, anyone avialable?
[05:42] <philippe_> why should I use gcj ?
[05:42] <pierreth> philippe_: try 'which java' to know if you have the good java
[05:43] <jott> pierreth: this will not help as it points to a symlink
[05:43] <dr_willis_> java -version
[05:43] <philippe_> still pointing to gcj ... must I open a new bash session to validate the changes
[05:44] <pierreth> philippe_: or 'java --version'
[05:44] <jott> philippe_: yes you have to update the env..
[05:44] <jott> philippe_: just start a new bash
[05:44] <jott> (or do source /etc/environment)
[05:49] <philippe_> hmmm it seems that there is prob with my install of jdk ?
[05:49] <philippe_> jre is still pointing to gij
[05:49] <gan|y|med> hi
[05:50] <pierreth> philippe_: I think you have to change JAVAPATH
[05:50] <philippe_> yes I think too but I can't find any $PATH lines in my .bashrc
[05:51] <jott> philippe_: hm it should work by using update-alternatives..
[05:51] <jott> philippe_: double check you have selected the sun vm there ;)
[05:51] <wimpies> HI all, I read somewhere there are packages for xserver-xgl and compriz-kde and that I
[05:51] <asimon> philippe_: Did you run update-java-alternatives -s java-1.5.0-sun ? That should point all java related alternatives to sun's implementation.
[05:51] <wimpies> should be able to install from dappe'rs repositories using apt-get
[05:51] <gan|y|med> how can i disable bluetooth functionality in kcontrol?
[05:51] <wimpies> However the specified packages are not there
[05:51] <philippe_> jott: the proposed version are GIJ or GCJ ? Not my installed JDK
[05:51] <wimpies> Does anybody know where they are
[05:52] <Jucato> !xgl
[05:52] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[05:52] <jott> philippe_: have you installed jdk via apt or manually?
[05:52] <pierreth> philippe_: the solution of asimon is probably the way to go
[05:52] <philippe_> i'll try the soluce from asimon
[05:52] <asimon> philippe_: I forget, you may want to put a 'sudo' before that command.
[05:53] <jott> asimon: is there a diffence between update-alternatives and update-java-alternatives? (in the result) ?
[05:53] <philippe_> asimon: unknown argument '-s' ???
[05:53] <asimon> jott: No, but the update-java-alternatives updates all java related alternatives in one go.
[05:53] <philippe_> i manually installed the .bin downloaded from java;sun.com
[05:54] <Jucato> is there a way to make Konqueror use the font/style/color of the web page it's viewing rather than the system's settings?
[05:54] <philippe_> chmod +x java... .bin
[05:54] <jott> philippe_: oh i see
[05:54] <philippe_> sh jdk ... .bin
[05:54] <jott> philippe_: you should have fetched it via apt.. would make things easier ;)
[05:54] <philippe_> and then all was installed in my homedir (sic) and not for all users
[05:55] <waspius> anyone know what system monitor to use but which will not use allot of memory
[05:55] <gan|y|med> where is the "autostart" for kde?
[05:55] <jott> !java
[05:55] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[05:55] <h3sp4wn> ~.kde/Autostart
[05:55] <abattoir> gan|y|med: ~/.kde/Autostart :)
[05:56] <philippe_> which command for apt-get java ?
[05:56] <abattoir> hello h3sp4wn :)
[05:56] <jott> philippe_: apt-get install sun-java5-jdk
[05:56] <jott> (prepend sudo ...)
[05:56] <Jucato> err.. isn't it supposed to be sun-java5-jre or sun-java5-bin?
[05:56] <gan|y|med> thx
[05:56] <Jucato> jdk = development kit right?
[05:57] <gan|y|med> ciao
[05:57] <jott> jre = rutime environment...
[05:57] <philippe_> jott: pfff ... where the hell ... (do you ALL know the apt package-names ...)
[05:57] <jott> apt-cache search ...
[05:57] <philippe_> jucato: right
[05:57] <asimon> philippe_: You also need to have the multivers repository activated. It's not enabled by default. The Sun Java packages for *buntu reside in this repo.
[05:57] <h3sp4wn> If you want the later version you can use java-package
[05:57] <Jucato> or, apt:/ in Konqueror (nice GUI)
[05:57] <philippe_> pff ... i need a book with all these tips
[05:58] <sickgirl> make
[05:58] <philippe_> multiverse enabled
[05:59] <philippe_> all : ... installing jdk via aptitude
[05:59] <cosma> hello.. I'm trying to compile a kernel module (an USB wireless stick) but make complains about a missing /lib/modules/2.6.15-23-amd64-generic/build directory.. what am I missing? Tnx
[06:00] <philippe_> nice apt:/ gui thanks a lot jucato
[06:00] <Jucato> no problem
[06:01] <waylandbill> philippe_: the tips all come with time.
[06:01] <cosma> I've downloaded linux-source and linux-headers... is there something else I need?
[06:02] <philippe_> I know but it is a little bit grrr ... the soluce was so simple
[06:02] <philippe_> Is the jre moz-java plugin also installed for web browsers ?
[06:03] <philippe_> ... with the default install by apt ???
[06:03] <asimon> philippe_: For the plugin install the package 'sun-java5-plugin'
[06:04] <monkey13> I just switched my laptop to use the ati drivers and WOW did it make a nice difference at 1400x1050
[06:04] <philippe_> asimon: thanks
[06:04] <monkey13> I may even try xgl again
[06:05] <pierreth> is there a way to see the notification area even when the kicker is hidden?
[06:05] <philippe_> thanks to all : java is installed and ok for all
[06:06] <pierreth> philippe_: :-)
[06:06] <asimon> pierreth: AFAIK only by unhiding it.
[06:07] <pierreth> asimon: well, this is not very efficient
[06:07] <k4s> hey all
[06:07] <pierreth> hi
[06:08] <ballchalk> hello
[06:08] <asimon> pierreth: No, it isn't.  But you could maybe add a small extra panel with just the notification area on it and keep that visible all the time.
[06:08] <ballchalk> synaptic and adept use the same repository?
[06:08] <asimon> ballchalk: yes.
[06:08] <waspius> how do i check my ip?
[06:08] <fritsch> waspius: ifconfig
[06:08] <D4rkly_> ifconfig
[06:08] <waspius> thanx
[06:09] <pierreth> asimon: really? how can i do?
[06:09] <k4s> how can i turn the windows transparent in KDE
[06:09] <k4s> i got the menus to do it but cant find the option for the windows
[06:10] <waspius> k4s: u need to install the windows decorations called crystal...if i am not mistaken
[06:10] <fritsch> waspius: you are
[06:10] <waspius> :(
[06:10] <fritsch> waspius: k4s, you have a damn fast computer?
[06:10] <asimon> pierreth: For a new panel: right-click on a free space on your panel, choose 'Add new panal'->Panel.
[06:10] <fritsch> k4s: sorry, was for you
[06:11] <waspius> fritsch: that is what i had done..and it was ok...now in my new installation it dont work
[06:11] <k4s> oh
[06:11] <k4s> lol
[06:11] <fritsch> k4s: look here: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Xorg_X11_and_Tranparency
[06:11] <k4s> yea i got a fast computer
[06:11] <fritsch> k4s: really not everysthing is relevant, but some parts ...
[06:12] <fritsch> k4s: mmmh, if i think :-) only one thing is important, rest ist done by kde
[06:12] <fritsch> k4s: wait
[06:12] <k4s> k
[06:12] <fritsch> k4s:
[06:12] <fritsch> Section "Extensions"
[06:12] <fritsch>     Option "Composite" "true"
[06:12] <fritsch> EndSection
[06:12] <asimon> pierreth: Then move that new panel whereever you wish, add the 'system tray' applet to it and configure the panel like you want, i.e. make it smaller, etc.
[06:12] <fritsch> k4s: put this in you /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:12] <fritsch> sorry for pasting ;-)
[06:13] <k4s> man its been so long since i edited a xorg file
[06:13] <k4s> lol
[06:13] <fritsch> k4s: hehe
[06:13] <fritsch> k4s: just add it, without deleting anything, no problem
[06:13] <ballchalk> yo how do i check dependencies in adept or synaptic?
[06:13] <asimon> pierreth: Before you are able to add the system tray applet to a new panel, you have first to remove it from the other panel, because of some unknown reasons there can be only one system tray.
[06:13] <cosma> do you have a /lib/modules/$(shell uname -r)/build in your system? pls I'm stuck :|
[06:13] <fritsch> k4s: after that you can edit window settings in kde control panel
[06:13] <fritsch> cosma: yes of course
[06:13] <pierreth> asimon: OK
[06:14] <fritsch> cosma: these are the modules you are currently running
[06:14] <epitaf> does a directory need to be empty for the rmdir to work??
[06:14] <fritsch> epitaf: mmmh:
[06:14] <fritsch> fritsch@dantooine:~$ whatis rmdir
[06:14] <fritsch> rmdir (1)            - remove empty directorie
[06:14] <fritsch> epitaf: so yes ;-)
[06:14] <k4s> i am gonna try it in a few
[06:14] <epitaf> ahh :)
[06:14] <fritsch> epitaf: but you can use rm -r directory ...
[06:15] <ballchalk> i got a question
[06:15] <waylandbill> epitaf: you could use rm -rf if you are careful
[06:15] <ballchalk> if i installed a package............
[06:15] <epitaf> thanks guys
[06:15] <fritsch> epitaf: this deltes recursively your dir <- so the whole dir
[06:15] <ballchalk> it downloads like 4 files
[06:15] <ballchalk> so when i uninstall that 1 package.........does it mean those 4 files it downloaded will be uninstalled also?
[06:15] <cosma> fritsch: do you know any reason why I have not one? :)
[06:16] <waylandbill> ballchalk: I think aptitude removes those orphans but apt-get wouldn't
[06:16] <fritsch> cosma: you MUST have one
[06:16] <epitaf> fritsch : if i use rm -r /usr/local/protux , thats just going to remove the protux dir right?
[06:16] <fritsch> cosma:or you could not be "now" in your ubuntu
[06:16] <fritsch> epitaf: yes
[06:16] <epitaf> fritsch : nice, thanks
[06:16] <waylandbill> you can use deborphan (sometimes needs more than one iteration)
[06:16] <ballchalk> waylandbill: what are orphans? are they dependents?
[06:16] <ballchalk> just making sure
[06:16] <cosma> cosma@cosma-desktop:/lib/modules/2.6.15-23-amd64-generic$ cd build \ bash: cd: build: No such file or directory
[06:16] <fritsch> cosma: you could try: sudo apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r` --reinstall
[06:17] <cosma> fritsch:  I'm
[06:17] <fritsch> cosma: what says: uname -r
[06:17] <cosma> trying tnx
[06:17] <waylandbill> orphans should be dependancies that are no longer depended on
[06:17] <fritsch> cosma: no! wait
[06:17] <ballchalk> waylandbill: because if i only use the package once and decide to remove it......then i wonder if those orphans will still stick and stay there just taking up space
[06:17] <cosma> it says 2.6.15-23-amd64-generic
[06:17] <ballchalk> waylandbill: oh i c
[06:17] <cosma> fritsch: ok, waiting :)
[06:17] <fritsch> cosma: do cd /lib/modules/`uname -r`
[06:17] <waylandbill> ballchalk: yes if you apt-get'd them, they'll be left behind.
[06:17] <k4s> fritsch: can i edit my xorg file in kde? or do i need to do it via a terminal
[06:17] <fritsch> cosma: after that ls
[06:17] <ballchalk> ok so i'ma adept for aptitude
[06:18] <fritsch> k4s: you can edit it in kde, but after that you have to restart kdm
[06:18] <fritsch> k4s: be very careful! if only one thing is wrongly edited your kde wont come up anymore
[06:18] <cosma> fritsch: I'm in /lib/modules/2.6.15-23-amd64-generic
[06:18] <epitaf> I've got another problem.. can someone help me unbinD my D key? I cant make little D...
[06:18] <fritsch> cosma: ls gives nothing?
[06:19] <cosma> fritsch: ls shows a couple of files, but not the "build" dir
[06:19] <ballchalk> whoa
[06:19] <fritsch> epitaf: what happens, if you press "shift" and d
[06:19] <k4s> fritsch: what method do you sugest
[06:19] <ballchalk> aptitude is konsole based
[06:19] <fritsch> cosma: build dir should not be there anyway
[06:19] <epitaf> fritsch: i get big D
[06:19] <fritsch> epitaf: cool ;-) soory dont know immo
[06:19] <epitaf> fritsch: its because i trieD to make a binD earlier
[06:19] <waylandbill> I'm not sure which adept is a front end to.
[06:19] <cosma> fritsch: mmm then the makefile for that module is bugged?
[06:19] <epitaf> fritsch: let me show you the commanDs I useD
[06:19] <Hawkwind> Adept is a front end to apt-get
[06:20] <fritsch> cosma: try: sudo apt-get install linux-header-`uname -r
[06:20] <fritsch> cosma: linux-header-`uname -r `
[06:20] <philippe_> I'm searching an emulator for Kubuntu ?
[06:20] <fritsch> cosma: after that try recompiling your "modul"
[06:20] <epitaf> fritsch: gconftool-2 -t str --set /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/run_command_9 "<Super_L>D"
[06:20] <fritsch> cosma: mmmh, but the latest kernel ist -26- won`t upgrade?
[06:20] <epitaf> fritsch: gconftool-2 -t str --set /apps/metacity/keybinding_commands/command_9 "<Control><Alt>D"
[06:21] <fritsch> epitaf: the last help is to delete your config files
[06:21] <waylandbill> Hawkwind: just found that on the project homepage. thanks. :-D
[06:21] <ballchalk> waylandbill: what repository does aptitude use? same as adept?
[06:21] <fritsch> epitaf: i am not familiar with gnome, sorry
[06:21] <cosma> fritsch: Ok I'm doing it using adept
[06:21] <epitaf> fritsch: ok, thanks anways
[06:21] <epitaf> i'll try in #Ubuntu
[06:21] <waylandbill> ballchalk: yes. They both use apt's sources
[06:21] <cosma> fritsch: before that I had downloaded the wrong version of headers (-26 instead of -23)
[06:22] <fritsch> cosma: please upgrade to newest kernel, because of security
[06:22] <ballchalk> waylandbill: what does purge do in that?
[06:22] <fritsch> cosma: it's currently the -26 i think
[06:22] <dvd> hello, i just installed kubuntu 6.06 and i would like to know how to show my FAT32 partitions?
[06:22] <cosma> fritsch: tnx for the advice, I'll do that ASAP :)
[06:22] <fritsch> k4s: ?
[06:22] <fritsch> k4s: you got it edited?
[06:22] <waylandbill> (I think) it tosses the downloaded packages.
[06:23] <fritsch> waylandbill: no
[06:23] <fritsch> waylandbill: --purge deletes the config files
[06:23] <fritsch> waylandbill: sudo apt-get clean "tosses"? the downloaded files
[06:24] <nagyv> !compiz >nagyv
[06:25] <waylandbill> fritsch: yes. you're right. was just reading the aptitude page.
[06:25] <ballchalk> wheere's the aptitude page?
[06:25] <fritsch> ballchalk: man aptitude
[06:26] <ballchalk> one thing i don't like about windows is that trash dlls get left over
[06:26] <philippe_> how to install my internal card reader (ricoh) ?
[06:26] <fritsch> ballchalk: this is really a big problems in debian/ubuntu too
[06:26] <fritsch> philippe_: i think you need a kernel patch
[06:26] <waylandbill> everyone hates left over junk
[06:26] <fritsch> philippe_: this patch is in stable 2.6.17
[06:26] <dvd> anyone out there knows how to solve my problem?
[06:27] <fritsch> dvd: what is your problem?
[06:27] <ballchalk> what's good about aptitude comapared to adept and synaptic?
[06:27] <philippe_> thx i just update the dapper dist
[06:27] <philippe_> ? how must i patch the kernel
[06:27] <ballchalk> aptitude runs in the konsole but what features does it have?
[06:27] <fritsch> ballchalk: mmmh don`t know, used just apt for my live
[06:27] <fritsch> philippe_: this is a very "advanced" topic, it`s not easy
[06:27] <fritsch> philippe_: you need the correct patches to apply
[06:27] <fritsch> philippe_: and correctly rebuild it
[06:27] <ballchalk> fritsch: what's the problem with deb/ubuntu???
[06:28] <fritsch> ballchalk: if you upgrade, lets say from breezy to ubuntu, there are some packages just "lost"
[06:28] <philippe_> I know ... do you have a tutorial for that ? what package ?
[06:28] <philippe_> sorry what patch
[06:28] <fritsch> ballchalk: the stay installed, but not needed etc.
[06:28] <ballchalk> fritsch: the pakcages that lost you mean .........ohhhh
[06:28] <fritsch> philippe_: mmmh sdhci patch was it, if i remember correctly
[06:28] <fritsch> philippe_: just a mom
[06:28] <ballchalk> fritsch: so it becomes a messy system once you upgrade?
[06:29] <fritsch> ballchalk: yes, "not that big" but, yes :-(
[06:29] <waylandbill> ballchalk: if you have it enabled, aptitude removes unneccessary packages as needed.
[06:29] <ballchalk> waylandbill: great where would i go to enable that?
[06:30] <fritsch> philippe_: fun of experimenting? -> lets build <IP_ADDRESS> kernel :-)
[06:30] <waylandbill> if you run without commands, you'll get the konsole gui, then F10 to the menu and move over to options.
[06:30] <philippe_> fritsch: How to get my kernel Serial ?
[06:30] <cosma> fritsch: installing the right headers done the job, the build folder is there :) thank you
[06:31] <fritsch> cosma: no prob! (here to help)
[06:31] <fritsch> philippe_: we have to build <IP_ADDRESS> from source ...
[06:31] <philippe_> fritsch: how ?
[06:31] <fritsch> philippe_: 5 steps
[06:31] <philippe_> ok I take note
[06:31] <pierreth> can i have the weather with the kicker?
[06:31] <ballchalk> waylandbill: u there?
[06:32] <waylandbill> ballchalk: yes
[06:32] <fritsch> philippe_: donwload it, unpack it, copy ubuntu config, make oldconfig, enable SDHCI reader, correctly build it, install it, reboot, hope
[06:32] <waylandbill> ballchalk: if you run aptitude without arguments, you'll get the konsole gui, then F10 to the menu and move over to options.
[06:32] <fritsch> philippe_: it`s a very hard job, please register your nick, we could do it in a private window ...
[06:32] <philippe_> haaaaaa ... so simple ... wich prayer must i Say ?
[06:32] <ballchalk> hey kubuntu has gnome installed????
[06:32] <ballchalk> i didn't know that
[06:32] <fritsch> philippe_: its not that hard *g*
[06:33] <philippe_> how could i register a nick
[06:33] <fritsch> ballchalk: some libs perhaps
[06:33] <waylandbill> ballchalk: I don't think it's the whole of gnome, but probably some gtk dependencies
[06:33] <ballchalk> ohhh
[06:34] <dvd> so, anyone knows how to see fat32 partitions in  kubuntu?
[06:34] <fritsch> philippe_: /msg NickServ HELP REGISTER
[06:34] <MitchM> dvd kubuntu has fat23 support built in
[06:34] <condor> \help
[06:34] <ballchalk> waylandbill: ok so to set aptitude to remove orphans i choose Clean obsolete files?
[06:34] <MitchM> dvd: just mount the partition
[06:35] <ballchalk> how does it know if it's obsolete?
[06:35] <ballchalk> sorry i'm getting too technical
[06:35] <fritsch> ballchalk: he could look for "are there any programs depending on me ..."
[06:35] <ballchalk> fritsch: ohhhh
[06:35] <ballchalk> ok
[06:35] <ballchalk> brb
[06:35] <dvd> MitchM:  how do i mount the partition?
[06:35] <fritsch> ballchalk: but i really don`t knwo, never saw this option before
[06:36] <waylandbill> ballchalk: depenency handling "remove unused packages automatically"
[06:36] <ballchalk> hmm just did it but it didn't really run anything
[06:36] <MitchM> !info moutn
[06:36] <ubotu> Package moutn does not exist in dapper
[06:36] <MitchM> !info mount
[06:36] <ubotu> mount: Tools for mounting and manipulating filesystems. In component main, is required. Version 2.12r-4ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 149 kB, installed size 336 kB
[06:36] <cosma> mmmm... it's "gcc" the right command to invoke the compiler?
[06:36] <HailandKill> This is driving me insane.. so my guides say different things! Where do I actually configure wireless network devices? And are there any good guides for kubuntu. I'm using breezy
[06:36] <ballchalk> waylandbill: gotta look for the dependency thing hold on
[06:37] <dvd> hmm still cant find it
[06:37] <ballchalk> waylandbill: it doesn't do it
[06:38] <MitchM> dvd: mount /dev/hda1/ /mnt/fat32 -- for example... replace /dev/hd with your proper drive
[06:38] <ballchalk> waylandbill: or wait do i have to go through each and everyone package and run dependency ?
[06:38] <ballchalk> it doesn't it doesn't go through the whole list?
[06:38] <fritsch> philippe_: still there?
[06:39] <waylandbill> ballchalk: when you use aptitude to remove a package it installed, it will take out the left over orphans on remove.
[06:39] <fritsch> waylandbill: i am not sure of this - will read
[06:39] <dvd> thank you MitchM
[06:39] <dvd> it works
[06:39] <MitchM> anytime dvd
[06:39] <MitchM> =)
[06:40] <waylandbill> deborphan is another way to get the orphans out too.
[06:40] <fritsch> waylandbill: cool, good know, me prefers lookin at this
[06:40] <dvd> i have another question... i have a synaptics touchpad and i would like to disable tapping. are there anyway i can disable it?
[06:40] <ballchalk> ohhh
[06:40] <ballchalk> hmm
[06:41] <ballchalk> so there's nothing that will actually go through all the packages and check for orphans unless you remove that particular package?
[06:41] <MitchM> dvd: that would be a question for Google =)
[06:41] <fritsch> dvd: yes, in /etc/X11/xorg
[06:41] <MitchM> or fritsch...
[06:41] <fritsch> MitchM: you thnk of ksynaptic?
[06:42] <MitchM> fritsch: come again?
[06:42] <ballchalk> WHOA
[06:42] <fritsch> MitchM: ah okay, got it ;-)
[06:42] <ballchalk> ok now i'm gettin gsomewhere
[06:42] <ballchalk> i got 6 orphans
[06:42] <MitchM> fritsch: hah k =)
[06:42] <fdoving> openvpn is so cool.
[06:42] <ballchalk> no wonder i can't play fraunhofer mp3s
[06:42] <fritsch> dvd: look here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=160209
[06:42] <ballchalk> hmmmmmmmmmmm
[06:43] <dvd> fritsch: i tried that out. but it said i cant save it. it says something about  write access
[06:43] <ballchalk> brb
[06:43] <ballchalk> gotta park my car
[06:43] <MitchM> dvd: open the file as root
[06:43] <MitchM> or use sudo nano (filename)
[06:43] <cosma> sorry, do you know why the shell cannot find gcc? I've installed the gcc-4.0, gcc-4,.
[06:43] <cosma> 0-base etc....
[06:43] <fritsch> cosma: which gcc
[06:44] <fritsch> cosma: "which gcc" ;-)
[06:44] <fritsch> cosma: its a command
[06:44] <fritsch> cosma: try: update-alternatives --config gcc
[06:44] <cosma> mmm... I've installed the "gcc" dependency package and now it works :)
[06:45] <cosma> again, tnx
[06:45] <dvd> how do i open the file as root
[06:45] <MitchM> use sudo
[06:45] <pierreth> kweather does not work on my system
[06:45] <MitchM> or su
[06:45] <MitchM> then root password
[06:45] <MitchM> then open the file
[06:46] <JohnFlux> MetaMorfoziS: that was my gf typing japanese hehe
[06:46] <Kiongku> Konbanwa
[06:46] <MetaMorfoziS> :))
[06:47] <MetaMorfoziS> You are ansvered fast:D
[06:47] <MetaMorfoziS> (i'm asked that about a half hour)
[06:47] <Kiongku> hey ppl.. what do u think about gentoo
[06:47] <MetaMorfoziS> hey Kiongku:)
[06:47] <Kiongku> hi meta
[06:48] <MetaMorfoziS> i think you are asking that in a wrong  place:)
[06:48] <HailandKill> I need help setting up a wireless network...
[06:48] <waylandbill> Kiongku: not bad, but I have too little patience to compile KDE. :-D
[06:48] <Kiongku> waylandbill: lol?.. then what desktop it uses
[06:49] <waylandbill> Kiongku: whatever one you want to compile and install
[06:49] <dvd> lol. i still cant get inside . what exactly is the command to go inside the root
[06:49] <HailandKill> Do I configure it just like a wired one in etc/network/interfaces?
[06:49] <Kiongku> dvd: sudo su
[06:50] <GameCat> hi - can anyone help me with instructions for adding a new soundcard (soundblaster) to a working dapper?
[06:51] <ballchalk> cosma how do you find the gcc dependency package?
[06:51] <Kiongku> GameCat: ALSA should work with it right?
[06:51] <ballchalk> my gcc won't work either
[06:51] <GameCat> Kiongku: no idea
[06:51] <HailandKill> Seriously, it's driving me insane. Every website says something different.. does no one have a wireless network?
[06:51] <fritsch> ballchalk: apt-get install gcc
[06:51] <Kiongku> ballchalk: apt-get -i build-essential
[06:52] <Kiongku> GameCat: i'm not sure but i think it should be good.. do a little search on net
[06:52] <apallo19> what's the name of the packlage that smbmount comes with?
[06:52] <MitchM> dvd: su
[06:52] <MitchM> dvd <root-password>
[06:52] <dvd> thanks
[06:52] <MitchM> yup
[06:53] <dr_willis> apallo19,  Samba i think.
[06:53] <ballchalk> fritsch: the base packages of gcc 3 and 4 are installed but the compiler themselves arent
[06:53] <ballchalk> is that what i need?
[06:53] <cosma> ballchalk: the "gcc" package seems to be the dependency package.. previusly I had installed the gcc-4.0 and gcc-4.0-base packages and some others
[06:53] <GameCat> Kiongku: how do I tell ALSA it's there? Will it detect it on first boot?
[06:53] <ballchalk> gcc 3.3 and 4 compilers?
[06:54] <fritsch> ballchalk: no, dont think so
[06:54] <fritsch> ballchalk: what says: gcc --version
[06:54] <Kiongku> GameCat: Dapper should have the ALSA drievrs by default
[06:54] <apallo19> thanks
[06:54] <ballchalk> gcc command doesn't exist
[06:54] <Kiongku> ballchalk: did u do apt-get -i build-essential ???
[06:54] <ballchalk> adept shows i got base of both 3.3 and 4 installed though
[06:54] <dvd> fritsch: i changed the value from "true" to "false" in xorg.conf            but, its still the same. i cant make it to disable tapping
[06:54] <GameCat> Kiongku: thanks, I guess I'll just have to try it then - it's not my machine so I'm a bit wary of experimenting :/
[06:55] <MitchM> dvd: try restarting your machine.
[06:55] <ballchalk> doing that now
[06:55] <ballchalk> hold on
[06:55] <MitchM> dvd: or at least your xserver
[06:55] <waylandbill> !b-e
[06:55] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:55] <dvd> ok, i'll restart
[06:55] <HailandKill> # ifconfig ath0 up makes the card flash it's lights and everything, so I assume breezy has some sort of native support?
[06:55] <ballchalk> what the..........
[06:55] <Kiongku> ballchalk: ?
[06:55] <ballchalk> apt-get -i build-essential doesn't work
[06:56] <ballchalk> i can do apt-get -i build-dep
[06:56] <Kiongku> ballchalk: did u enable all repositories?
[06:56] <ballchalk> but i haven't
[06:56] <sethk> ballchalk, you did apt-get update ?
[06:56] <ballchalk> yea i did uncommented all
[06:56] <Kiongku> update?
[06:56] <Kiongku> u need to update to get the headers
[06:57] <ballchalk> sethk: did the update
[06:57] <Kiongku> ballchalk: try again then
[06:57] <HailandKill> has anyone got a wireless connection on breezy?
[06:57] <ballchalk> but seems like apt-get doesn't know what -i build-essential means
[06:58] <Kiongku> HailandKill: using dapper.. no idea
[06:58] <muut> hitto teidn kanssanne.
[06:58] <Kiongku> !info build-essential
[06:58] <ubotu> build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.1 (dapper), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[06:58] <muut> Nrtit!!!
[06:58] <Kiongku> ballchalk: then do apt-get install build-essential
[06:58] <ballchalk> ok
[06:59] <waylandbill> I was wondering what -i was for. wasn't in the man page.
[06:59] <HailandKill> would the assumption that wireless support on dapper is better than breezy be correct?
[06:59] <ballchalk> woops maybe i had adept running
[06:59] <ballchalk> hold on
[06:59] <Kiongku> ballchalk: use adept directly then XD.. same thing
[06:59] <dr_willis> HailandKill,  i think so.
[06:59] <Kiongku> dr_willis: or else we would never need to have a better version if nothing gets better
[07:00] <ballchalk> Kiongku: ok works now
[07:00] <nagyv> !compiz > nagyv
[07:00] <dr_willis> Kiongku,  :P well we all know that MS-Office gets worse every new release4.
[07:00] <dr_willis> :P
[07:00] <Kiongku> ballchalk: hehe
[07:00] <GameCat> I'm off - thanks for the advice Kiongku
[07:00] <ballchalk> so this option for build-essential is only for the compilers?
[07:00] <Kiongku> dr_willis: who said better for customer always.. MS does it better for himself
[07:00] <Vainaja> jeejee
[07:00] <Vainaja> im dead.
[07:01] <Kiongku> GameCat: np i dunt have soundblaster but i think alsa should do it.. u can check out if i'm right
[07:01] <dr_willis> ballchalk,  it installs the core tools needed to compile apps.
[07:01] <Vainaja> nerds.
[07:01] <dvd> hmm its still not working. i still have the tapping
[07:01] <apallo19> i'm trying to mount my windows shares, and it's telling me that the mount folders (which i created arent there)
[07:01] <ballchalk> dr_willis: oh
[07:01] <dr_willis> apallo19,  then make the directories like its hinting at. :P
[07:01] <apallo19> this is frusturating
[07:01] <apallo19> i did
[07:01] <dr_willis> you SURE ya got the names right?
[07:01] <waylandbill> ballchalk: it's not just to compile. It has stuff to make debian packages too
[07:01] <apallo19> sorry, miss spoke
[07:01] <dr_willis> apallo19,  you sure the rest of the command is right. :P
[07:02] <hectorx> do anyone know howto access serial port with linux assembly?
[07:02] <ballchalk> thanks works now
[07:02] <Kiongku> waylandbill: and its the best solution.. never have to worry again
[07:02] <Upt-k-install> can I do a kubuntu install from the alternate cd without a working network connection?
[07:02] <Kiongku> ballchalk: ur welcome
[07:02] <apallo19> well, the command line one works, but my fstab entries dont
[07:02] <dr_willis> Upt-k-install,  yes.
[07:02] <ballchalk> Kiongku: thanks
[07:02] <Kiongku> Upt-k-install: should be
[07:02] <Upt-k-install> thx, first good news today
[07:02] <ballchalk> i thought if i do apt-get then adept can't keep a track of it won't it?
[07:03] <Kiongku> ballchalk: adept uses apt-get.. adept is an GUI interface to apt-get
[07:03] <ballchalk> o nevermind adept shows that changes has been made
[07:03] <ballchalk> yea
[07:03] <Kiongku> ballchalk: hehe.. bcoz apt-get is simplye the command code u perform while using adept
[07:04] <waylandbill> ballchalk: apt-get and therefore adept don't track dependencies for removal later, no
[07:04] <apallo19> is there like a special command that i need to use to make the folders mountable
[07:04] <dr_willis> linux is all about legos and Layers. :P
[07:04] <ballchalk> yea didn't know there was a front end
[07:04] <apallo19> ?
[07:04] <dr_willis> apallo19,  No.
[07:04] <Kiongku> waylandbill: u got sypnatic
[07:04] <ballchalk> oh
[07:04] <dr_willis> apallo19,  i would guess you got the fstab line inforrect.
[07:04] <ballchalk> synaptic same for apt-get?
[07:04] <killerMonkey> hi
[07:04] <Kiongku> dr_willis: mwahha.. i will make a pirate and ship linux then
[07:04] <dr_willis> http://wiki.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en#how_do_i_mount_an_ntfs_volume
[07:04] <waylandbill> Kiongku: no. I don't have synaptic. that's just a frontend to apt-get too, right?
[07:04] <killerMonkey> synaptic is only a frontend for apt-get
[07:05] <Kiongku> ballchalk: synaptic is the ubuntu gnome application for adept
[07:05] <dr_willis> Life is a front end  :)
[07:05] <killerMonkey> jojo
[07:05] <killerMonkey> synaptic = gtk adept = qt
[07:05] <waylandbill> dr_willis: lol
[07:05] <ballchalk> ohhh
[07:05] <Kiongku> synaptic can remove the dependencies a+ over adept
[07:05] <Kiongku> i use synaptic
[07:05] <killerMonkey> i use apt-get
[07:06] <ballchalk> this is confusing when u have many things that do the same thing
[07:06] <Kyral_Laptop> CLI FTW
[07:06] <Kiongku> killerMonkey: XD i can use it too
[07:06] <killerMonkey> alright
[07:06] <waylandbill> Kiongku: oh. didn't know synaptic did that. I use aptitude myself.
[07:06] <Kiongku> waylandbill: hehe
[07:06] <killerMonkey> yes thats nice when you don't have x11 stuff working
[07:06] <qadesh> fritsch ?
[07:07] <fritsch> qadesh: -> window ... ncurses are next
[07:07] <waylandbill> ballchalk: that's the joy of linux. so may tools for you to pick your own poison. :-D
[07:07] <qadesh> [505]  Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
[07:07] <Kiongku> killerMonkey: as long as u know what ur doing.. u should not run into any trouble
[07:07] <ballchalk> heh
[07:07] <fritsch> qadesh: please register
[07:07] <Kiongku> waylandbill: a lot of flavours :p
[07:07] <killerMonkey> mmh
[07:07] <fritsch> qadesh: or confirm login, look on the "freenode" tab
[07:07] <qadesh> it's allready registered by me ?!!!
[07:07] <dr_willis_> My **@* isp is really starting to annoy me.
[07:08] <ballchalk> Kiongku: how does synaptic remove dependencies?
[07:08] <killerMonkey> check the sources
[07:08] <fritsch> qadesh: no you have to identify
[07:08] <killerMonkey> lcu
[07:08] <fritsch> qadesh: /msg NickServ IDENTIFY
[07:09] <Kiongku> ballchalk: its automatically done by the program
[07:09] <waylandbill> Kiongku: does it keep it's own cache like aptitude?
[07:10] <Kiongku> waylandbill: what u mean by cache?
[07:10] <ballchalk> oh
[07:10] <stray77> walylandbill, no
[07:11] <Kiongku> stray77: yo stray ^^
[07:11] <stray77> if you used aptitude to install, use aptitude to remove.
[07:11] <stray77> yo Kiongku
[07:12] <waylandbill> stray77: right, I know cause it tracks what it installed. I meant if synaptic had a similar mechanism for determining what to remove.
[07:12] <Kiongku> stray77: u know how to run an autoscript that needs root access?
[07:12] <stray77> waylandbill, i dont think so
[07:13] <apallo19> why is the folder i just created not visible in konqurer?
[07:14] <ballchalk> ok done
[07:14] <ballchalk> waylandbill: hey does ur computer play mp3s?
[07:14] <stray77> Kiongku, dunno, sry.
[07:15] <ballchalk> waylandbill: i got w32codecs listed and an orphan
[07:15] <Kiongku> stray77: nvm
[07:15] <ballchalk> how do i use it?
[07:15] <feloness>  29 check it http://www.goolook.ru/?ref_id=11389
[07:15] <waylandbill>  ballchalk: I installed mp3 support at home, not here
[07:15] <ballchalk> oh
[07:16] <waylandbill> I hardly ever listen to mp3's regardless.
[07:16] <nagyv> what is preferred way to install the proprietary ATi drivers? by hand or using easyubuntu?
[07:17] <Kiongku> ballchalk: probably u need libxine-extracodecs
[07:17] <waylandbill> nagyv: the easy ubuntu did just fine last I used it. I think it just enables the repo and apt-gets it anyway.
[07:18] <ballchalk> Kiongku: yea i got that installed and it's not an orphan but just dont know why amarok wont play
[07:18] <dr_willis_> easy ubuntu did not work for me..  i just followed the !ati wiki page
[07:18] <ballchalk> i got 6 orphans that i need to make work so i can listen to mp3s
[07:19] <ballchalk> how do i set my computer to ues those i dunno
[07:19] <Kiongku> ballchalk: hmm u using xine?
[07:20] <ballchalk> Kiongku: xine gui?
[07:20] <ballchalk> i got xine engine i think
[07:20] <Kiongku> ballchalk: i mean the xine engine
[07:20] <ballchalk> i got xine engine for both kaffiene and amarok
[07:21] <nagyv> waylandbill: and after the install should I reboot or is it enough to restart kdm?
[07:21] <Kiongku> ballchalk: strange.. working good for me
[07:21] <waylandbill> nagyv: restart the x server (ctrl-alt-bspace) should do fine.
[07:22] <ballchalk> i dunno
[07:22] <waylandbill> hmm.. hopefully he saved his work first. :-D
[07:22] <stef_> is there a way to install ubuntu on a 1gb partition? the graphical installer says the partition should be at least 2.4 GB
[07:23] <nagyv> waylandbill: alright I restarted it, now how can I check wheather it is in use and properly configured?
[07:25] <Kiongku> stef_ i think the installer is right
[07:26] <Kiongku> stef_: u will not get much from 1 gb.. what the heck is 1 gb now o0.. cant u do better?
[07:26] <Rodil> hi, I just installed kubuntu for the first time and am having problems with the modem not working.  I don't think it's being detected at all, its an rj11 modem in a laptop, any ideas?
[07:26] <Kiongku> Rodil: did u check the net if ur modem requires special drivers?
[07:26] <bigbill52a> if anyone wants to see my kdmrc that pretty much restores the log in screen to debian...see #flood...make a backup copy to kdmrc before making changes
[07:26] <waylandbill> nagyv: it should tell in the control center somewhere I think
[07:26] <stef_> Kiongku: i have a 60gb ibook. i can't spare more than 1gb
[07:27] <Kiongku> stef_: heh lol?.. well i recommend a 10 gb partition for linux.
[07:27] <Rodil> I don't know the specifics on the modem before I started all this, any way to get that info now?
[07:27] <Kiongku> stef_: i have really no idea if can compact it to that size
[07:27] <stef_> Kiongku: okay thanks
[07:27] <shreddy>  7 test it http://www.goolook.ru/?ref_id=11389
[07:27] <Kiongku> Rodil: whats the specs of ur modem according to windows? to a net search
[07:28] <Rodil> Kio:I went all out and was trying for just kubuntu on the system and didnt check the specs of the modem before I wiped windows. :(
[07:28] <Kiongku> stef_: sorry i cant help.. may be others can
[07:29] <Kiongku> Rodil: how ur running then?
[07:29] <DocTomoe> Rodil: what model is your laptop?
[07:29] <Rodil> I'm on my desktop right now... the laptop is a gateway mx6214
[07:30] <tobias____> I hate windows!
[07:30] <tobias____> really really do
[07:30] <ballchalk> what is gstreamer ugly set?
[07:30] <Rodil> only info I have found says its a '56k ITU V.92 ready fax/modem'  no info on make or model
[07:30] <ballchalk> and bad multiverse?
[07:31] <tobias____> i got to linuxify the independent youth house here in trondheim so i can print my flyers with out hassle!
[07:31] <Kiongku> 1 RJ-11 (modem)
[07:31] <stef_> so there's no way to trick the ubuntu desktop CD into letting me install a base system onto a 1gb drive?
[07:31] <Kiongku> Rodil: its a dial up modem?
[07:32] <Rodil> yep
[07:32] <MitchM> stef_ im sure there is some boot option you can put in... did you google it?
[07:33] <Kiongku> Rodil: did u try KPPP?
[07:33] <stef_> mitchm: i did, couldnt find anything useful
[07:33] <Kiongku> stef_: anyway u need a swap file too.. so it will be 1 gb + (swap file usually the amount of ram u have)
[07:34] <stef_> okay
[07:34] <Rodil> yeah, problem with kppp is that it needs a port address and its one of those built into the motherboard bits, thats what RJ-11 is I think.  anyways, no matter which port setting I try in Kppp it comes up as 'modem is busy'
[07:35] <Kiongku> Rodil: is ur laptop running next to u?
[07:35] <Rodil> Kio: yep
[07:37] <Kiongku> Rodil: http://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/Chris.Phillips/Dell_Inspiron_1100.html take a look at this
[07:37] <Kiongku> may provide some clues
[07:37] <Kyral_Laptop> 1100 eh
[07:37] <cannonball> Is there any official statements anyway (Debian or Ubuntu or Kubuntu) that talks about why there is a <IP_ADDRESS> entry in /etc/hosts (I'm not complaining, I can see the utility, but was looking for authoritative answers as to why it's there).
[07:37] <Kyral_Laptop> so I'm not the only one with one still
[07:37] <Kyral_Laptop> <IP_ADDRESS>?
[07:37] <Kyral_Laptop> Dude, thats loopback :P
[07:38] <Kyral_Laptop> its yourself
[07:38] <DocTomoe> cannonball: I do not have a <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[07:38] <Kyral_Laptop> Its needed
[07:38] <cannonball> No, that's localhost.  There's also a <IP_ADDRESS> entry.
[07:38] <Kyral_Laptop> Dunno I never saw hat entry
[07:38] <DocTomoe> cannonball: negative, cannot confirm
[07:39] <cannonball> Both I and my coworker have it on our laptops that we just did a fresh install of kubuntu.  Could be a laptop special config?  (since network isn't always connected, give it a fighting chance of resolving stuff without timeouts due to missing dns servers?)
[07:39] <cannonball> s/stuff/itself/
[07:40] <Kiongku> cannonball: i think if the network is not connected.. the connect does a loopback to ur pc.. hence the <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:40] <Kyral_Laptop> the loopback is ALWAYS connected
[07:40] <Kyral_Laptop> its highly useful
[07:41] <DocTomoe> cannonball: Maybe that's really a phenomeon on your machines. I do not have it on my Acer, tought. Maybe it has somewhat connected to some occult network device?
[07:41] <DocTomoe> Kyral_Laptop: he does not speak about loopback.
[07:41] <Kyral_Laptop> DocTomoe: someoen else did :P
[07:41] <cannonball> Kyral_Laptop: yes, hence my suspicion that <IP_ADDRESS> is some special laptop config to handle those nonconnected times, but was looking for documentation somewhere that studies its effects (or reasoning).
[07:42] <Kyral_Laptop> cannonball: what model of lappy?
[07:42] <cannonball> DocTomoe: It is the loopback technically since the netmask is /8.
[07:42] <DocTomoe> cannonball: basically, yes.
[07:42] <cannonball> Kyral_Laptop: ASL LT320, it's old, P3 750.
[07:42] <Kyral_Laptop> ah
[07:43] <cannonball> I'm googling for it now, so if I find anything definitive, I'll report back.
[07:43] <Kyral_Laptop> <IP_ADDRESS> might be /dev/loop or something
[07:43] <apallo19> this just isnt working....
[07:44] <apallo19> i do all the steps to mount a network share, and it still keeps failing
[07:44] <apallo19> i must be missing somethig
[07:44] <utricul>  6 check this http://www.goolook.ru/?ref_id=11389
[07:45] <cannonball> Found it:  http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/06/msg01047.html
[07:48] <menta> hey there
[07:48] <menta> how can i change languages in kubuntu ?
[07:48] <menta> i added the language that i want, but then ?
[07:49] <ballchalk> does anyone know if amarok uses gstreamer plugins?
[07:49] <Kyral_Laptop> ballchalk: it should accept them
[07:49] <fritsch> ballchalk: no! it does not
[07:49] <fritsch> ballchalk: cannot find the changelog anymore
[07:49] <Kyral_Laptop> ballchalk: apt-cache search amarok | grep gstreamer
[07:49] <fritsch> ballchalk: ah wait! 1.3.9 still uses
[07:49] <fritsch> ballchalk: but 1.4.1 only suppors xine
[07:49] <Kyral_Laptop> why not just use good old Xine
[07:49] <draik> I am trying to run Adept Updater, but I get this error 'Su returned with an error'
[07:49] <draik> any ideas?
[07:49] <Kyral_Laptop> draik: its a bug lol
[07:49] <Kyral_Laptop> file it on Launchpad
[07:49] <cannonball> Kyral_Laptop: Oddly enough, Windows seems to do the same thing (0.1 for localhost and 1.1 for machinename) in its hosts file.
[07:50] <Kyral_Laptop> draik: for the time being use Apt-Get in the console to upgrade
[07:50] <menta> any idea how do i change languages ? :/
[07:50] <fritsch> draik: open a terminal and do: sudo apt-get -f install
[07:50] <fritsch> draik: and have a look
[07:50] <fritsch> draik: what it says
[07:50] <apallo19> has anyone successfully mounted a windows network share?
[07:50] <Kyral_Laptop> fritsch: the problem was that Adept was trying to execute "su" instead of "sudo"
[07:51] <Kiongku> menta: system settings > regional and accessibility > regional /language
[07:51] <draik> fritsch, 'sudo: unable to lookup Matrix via gethostbyname()'
[07:51] <menta> is there a shortcut for that ?
[07:51] <Kyral_Laptop> draik: did you change your hostname recently?
[07:51] <menta> like shift alt in windows ?
[07:51] <Kiongku> menta: its just a couple of clicks XD..
[07:52] <draik> Kyral_Laptop, nope. Haven't changed anything like that
[07:52] <menta> i see
[07:52] <Kyral_Laptop> draik: hmm, check /etc/hosts /etc/hostname, etc
[07:52] <ballchalk> fritsch: i just did the apt-cache search and it foudn nothing
[07:52] <draik> Matrix has been the hostname I've had since the initial install
[07:52] <Kyral_Laptop> draik: make sure they ALL agree
[07:52] <Kyral_Laptop> draik: but since you cannot get to root, you are gonna have to pull a Rescue Mode or LiveCD
[07:52] <fritsch> ballchalk: sudo apt-get update
[07:52] <ballchalk> oh yea forgot
[07:52] <fritsch> ballchalk: apt-cache search "packagename"
[07:52] <ballchalk> holdon
[07:54] <ballchalk> fritsch: same thing nothing
[07:54] <fritsch> !pastebin > ballchalk
[07:54] <fritsch> ballchalk: please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in the pastebin
[07:55] <cosma> what a mess.. I can't get wireless RT73 driver module to compile... :|
[07:55] <draik> Kyral_Laptop, what am I checking for
[07:56] <Kyral_Laptop> draik: to make sure the hostname "Matrix" is set in everywhere
[07:56] <ballchalk> fritsch: how do i post in pastebin?
[07:56] <Kyral_Laptop> draik: you may have to man getbyhostname to find out what files it references
[07:56] <ballchalk> !pastebin >ballchalk
[07:56] <pete___> I found something about kubuntu that I like!
[07:57] <draik> The /etc/hostname file only says 'Matrix'
[07:57] <pete___> When you maximize windows, the window border is not visible, how do I set up KDE to do that in other distro's?  (where is the KDE option for this?)
[07:57] <draik> The /etc/hosts says 'enzo-laptop'
[07:58] <ballchalk> got it
[07:58] <ballchalk> !pastebin > fritsch
[07:59] <nagyv> I would like to set up 3D acceleration with an ATi M-Radeon 9600. Before I was able to get it with the radeon driver, but the final xorg.conf is a huge mess. Could someone help me?
[07:59] <pete___> just install fglrx
[07:59] <ballchalk> fritsch: did u ge tit/
[07:59] <fritsch> pete___: no do not
[07:59] <pete___> I
[07:59] <pete___> I'm using fglrx right now
[07:59] <fritsch> ballchalk: no, you have to paste mi the link
[07:59] <pete___> its fine
[08:00] <fritsch> pete___: cool, it su nfree and ATI stops X devs to produce cool OSS drivers
[08:00] <pete___> on a mobile radeon 9600 too
[08:00] <qadesh> what is fglrx
[08:00] <fritsch> pete___: no base of support
[08:00] <draik> Kyral_Laptop, I did 'man getbyhostname' and got this error 'No manual entry for getbyhostname'
[08:00] <pete___> fritsch: I agree, but the OSS driver isn't as good
[08:00] <Kyral_Laptop> draik: ugh I know I have had this problem before
[08:01] <pete___> fritsch: do you use the radeon or ati driver?
[08:01] <Kyral_Laptop> draik: 'cept I keep forgetting how to solve it lol
[08:01] <draik> lol
[08:01] <nagyv> pete__: I have already tried it (with easyubuntu I installed xorg-driver-fglrx and fglrx-control, but the opengl screensavers didn't worked after (this is my 3d test, is it good for it?)
[08:02] <pete___> nagyv: I can't say
[08:02] <nagyv> pete__: and what would be the right way?
[08:02] <pete___> nagyv: well, I always have used fglrx with no real problems
[08:03] <pete___> nagyv: but if fritsch will help you with the radeon driver, I say go for it
[08:03] <nagyv> pete__: this means that if you set up an opengl screensaver it is not flickering?
[08:04] <ballchalk> !pastebin > ballchalk
[08:05] <ballchalk> !pastebin > ballchalkhm
[08:05] <MetaMorfoziS> re sorry, wtf is this? i'm disconencted...
[08:05] <ballchalk> i dsunno
[08:05] <Hawkwind> ballchalk: No bot at the moment due to a netsplit
[08:05] <MetaMorfoziS> okay , so i'm last saw your "yes, but better with"
[08:05] <MetaMorfoziS> ^^ i'M not alone
[08:05] <ballchalk> what is netsplit
[08:05] <MetaMorfoziS> hoho wrong channel
[08:05] <Hawkwind> ballchalk: Google.com and type   define:netsplit
[08:05] <nagyv> fritsch: could you then help me to set up the radeon driver with the mobility radeon 9600?
[08:06] <Alatriste__> HI
[08:06] <Alatriste__> i have a small problem with crontab an kcron
[08:06] <Alatriste__> i have programmed a task to an hour
[08:07] <fritsch> nagyv: you just have to make sure, that xorg uses "radeon" driver
[08:07] <Alatriste__> but when it's thah hour nothing happens (the command is "sudo shutdown -t3 now"
[08:07] <fritsch> nagyv: please pastebin the output of glxinfo
[08:08] <Alatriste> what is wrong with crontab??
[08:08] <nagyv> fritsch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20998
[08:08] <fritsch> nagyv: this is okay?!?
[08:09] <fritsch> nagyv: please do: glxgears -printfps
[08:09] <nagyv> fritsch: I think the same, but the fact is that it doesn't work well
[08:09] <fritsch> nagyv: what do you get?
[08:10] <nagyv> fritsch: 3 moving aaa (what is the english word, aha KDEs :) )
[08:10] <fritsch> nagyv: tell it in your langauge
[08:10] <fritsch> nagyv: ill look it up *g*
[08:10] <waspius> anyone know a system monitor ti use?
[08:10] <waspius> to
[08:10] <nagyv> fritsch: fogaskerk
[08:10] <ballchalk> oh i see
[08:10] <Kyral_Laptop> waspius: for?
[08:10] <fritsch> nagyv: *G* okay did not get it
[08:11] <unix_infidel> waspius: there's a gkrellm port for win32 if you can find it.
[08:11] <fritsch> nagyv: just tell me the numbers
[08:11] <waspius> Kyral_Laptop: to sho me cpu,memory etc
[08:11] <nagyv> fritsch: cog, gear
[08:11] <Kyral_Laptop> waspius: KSysguard
[08:11] <Kyral_Laptop> waspius: uuhh KSysmon...look on KDE-Apps.org for some
[08:11] <waspius> Kyral_Laptop: ok thanx
[08:12] <fritsch> nagyv: let it walk a bit, there ar coming numbers
[08:12] <fritsch> nagyv: glxgears -printfps
[08:12] <nagyv> fritsch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20999
[08:13] <nagyv> fritsch: this is what you wanted?
[08:13] <fritsch> nagyv: okay, there something is not! working
[08:13] <draik> Kyral_Laptop, I think I got it
[08:13] <apmyp> how to in konversation change codepage to cp1251?
[08:13] <draik> I'm rebooting and hoping I'm right
[08:13] <nagyv> fritsch: should I pastebin my xorg.conf?
[08:13] <fritsch> nagyv: yes
[08:13] <fritsch> nagyv: please do: sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri
[08:14] <Alatriste> i have a small problem with crontab an kcron
[08:14] <Alatriste> i have programmed a task to an hour
[08:14] <Alatriste> but when it's thah hour nothing happens (the command is "sudo shutdown -t3 now"
[08:14] <fritsch> nagyv: sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri
[08:16] <nagyv> fritsch: it was already installed
[08:17] <fritsch> nagyv: your xorg conf, please
[08:17] <fritsch> nagyv: did you mess around with some files?
[08:17] <draik> If I change my '/etc/hosts' file, would that not allow for me to go online?
[08:18] <nagyv> fritsch: with xorg.conf, but I have tried the original one, and I changed only one line ati->radeon
[08:18] <apmyp> how to in konversation change codepage to cp1251?
[08:18] <Upt-k-install> Do I have to use special options when trying to install on a sata hd?
[08:19] <nagyv> fritsch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21001
[08:19] <txx2> Hello. I'm having trouble with ndiswrapper. http://pastebin.com/771416
[08:19] <tsdgeos> no
[08:19] <cannonball> Upt-k-install: the sata controller needs to be recognized by the kernel and the proper module loaded.  After that it looks like any other scsi device.
[08:20] <cannonball> Upt-k-install: modification: the "installer" needs to reconize the sata controller.
[08:21] <Upt-k-install> I know that, the problem is: does it recognize the controller automatically or do I have to tell the installer before installing?
[08:22] <cannonball> Depends which sata controller you have.  I'm new to Kubuntu myself so I'm not sure what config file the installer uses to determine all that.
[08:22] <fritsch> nagyv: sorry, just a mom
[08:23] <nagyv> fritsch: I wait :)
[08:23] <fritsch> nagyv: you messed around a bit?
[08:23] <fritsch> nagyv: your config looks okay
[08:23] <nagyv> fritsch: I was precautious :)
[08:23] <fritsch> nagyv: are you member of the video group?
[08:24] <fritsch> nagyv: cat /etc/group |grep video
[08:24] <nagyv> fritsch: nope, what is the ... I check it now
[08:24] <draik> Kyral_Laptop, What happens when I change my /etc/hosts file? I changed it to reflect my hostname. I can't get my laptop to recognize the Ethernet adapter
[08:24] <nagyv> fritsch: I think I am
[08:24] <Upt-k-install> well, the hd is enlistes on wiki, so maybe it could work automatically, but it does not seem to
[08:25] <Kyral_Laptop> draik: its the ips that it uses for hostnames
[08:25] <Kyral_Laptop> or somesuch
[08:25] <draik> ips?
[08:25] <fritsch> nagyv: please look it up
[08:25] <Kyral_Laptop> IP Addresses
[08:26] <nagyv> fritsch: what to look up? this was the output: video:x:44:nagyv
[08:26] <fritsch> nagyv: please run:  export LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo
[08:26] <fritsch> nagyv: good
[08:26] <fritsch> nagyv: sorry export LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose
[08:26] <nagyv> fritsch: nothing happened
[08:26] <fritsch> nagyv: and after thtat. glxinfo
[08:26] <fritsch> please pastebin the whole
[08:27] <nagyv> fritsch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21004
[08:27] <draik> Kyral_Laptop, I wonder what's going on that it won't read it as it should. Everything is reading perfectly now, but it won't connect online (I am on my desktop, laptop is bugging)
[08:27] <Kyral_Laptop> draik: whats the problem exactly?
[08:28] <fritsch> nagyv: have it
[08:28] <fritsch> nagyv: libGL error: unable to find driver: r300_dri.so
[08:28] <nagyv> fritsch: and what is the solution? :) where can I get it?
[08:28] <fritsch> nagyv: sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri
[08:28] <draik> Kyral_laptop, I was originally getting 'Su returned with an error' and I didn't have a hostname coming up except when in konsole.
[08:29] <Kyral_Laptop> yah so now it no connect?
[08:29] <nagyv> fritsch: it's already installed (the newest version)
[08:29] <draik> Kyral_laptop, so I changed my /etc/hosts file to say 'Matrix' for my hostname instead of what was there before
[08:29] <txx2> Hello. How do I add a mount point in kwidisk?.. it's not able to see the hda3 disk and it's a normal ext3 file system
[08:29] <draik> Kyral_laptop, I rebooted, and now it won't connect to the net
[08:30] <fritsch> nagyv: sudo apt-get install libgl1-mea-dri --reinstall
[08:30] <Kyral_Laptop> draik: mine says "<IP_ADDRESS> localhost.localdomain localhost
[08:30] <waspius> i found some applets in kde-apps that show cpu,memory etc..but there is one for each..if i use them will it use alot of memory?
[08:30] <fritsch> nagyv: mmmh, i think you did sth. very "undebian" deleted some files *G* ?
[08:30] <draik> let me get you a pastebin for it
[08:30] <draik> !pastebin
[08:30] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:31] <Rodil> hmmm, installing something, it tells me to type 'su - root' which I do, then it asks for my password which I give, and then it says auth failure, my auth works fine with sudo commands, why isn't it working here?
[08:31] <Upt-k-install> Where can I get a really _good_ documentation for a alternative install(textbased)?
[08:31] <Kyral_Laptop> !sudo
[08:31] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:31] <nagyv> fritsch: nothing like that. As I said I tried easyubuntu's ATi install. When it didn't worked I checked the dpgk log and apt deleted the two installed packages. That's all!
[08:32] <nagyv> fritsch: after the reinstall an Alt+Ctrl+Backspace is enough?
[08:32] <fritsch> nagyv: we have it :-)
[08:32] <fritsch> nagyv: you just said it
[08:32] <nagyv> fritsch: what?
[08:32] <fritsch> nagyv: fglrx install "synmlinked" the libraries
[08:33] <nagyv> fritsch: aha, so what? :)
[08:33] <fritsch> nagyv: sudo dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/libgl1*
[08:33] <waspius> anyone?
[08:33] <sms_> hello
[08:33] <nagyv> fritsch: and now the alt-ctr-back?
[08:34] <sms_> does anyone know how to get smb4k running? mounting alway's fails.
[08:34] <draik> Kyral_laptop, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21007
[08:34] <nagyv> sms_: I have used it half year ago, then I had to install some other samba files too, probably smbfs, or client or something like this
[08:35] <nagyv> sms_: it was still breezy
[08:35] <fritsch> nagyv: no
[08:35] <nagyv> fritsch: then what?
[08:35] <Kyral_Laptop> draik: I dunno....change it back
[08:35] <danish> what operating system do KDE developers use
[08:35] <fritsch> nagyv: just again glxgears -showfps?
[08:35] <Kyral_Laptop> danish: prolly Linux and the BSDs
[08:35] <fritsch> nagyv: sorry glxgears -printfps
[08:35] <danish> which flavor like debian fedora or which
[08:36] <Kyral_Laptop> danish: honestly does it matter? :P
[08:36] <nagyv> fritsch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21009
[08:37] <sms_> nagyv: smbfs is set to mount, and mounting with mount -t smbfs on the command line works.
[08:37] <Upt-k-install> Where can I get a really _good_ documentation for a alternative install(textbased)?
[08:37] <fritsch> nagyv: mom
[08:37] <nagyv> sms_: sorry, I am not an expert
[08:37] <Kyral_Laptop> Upt-k-install: the "alternate" install is basically the installer that was used in Breezy, Hoary, and Warty
[08:37] <nagyv> fritsch: what?
[08:37] <fritsch> nagyv: just wait, me reads
[08:37] <danish> uptk: I READ some on ubuntu.org
[08:37] <sms_> nagyv: on an actual debian etch it works in the same network without problems, i'll check the deps from the debian package, to see if something is missing.
[08:37] <sms_> nagyv: thanx for the hint
[08:38] <Kyral_Laptop> Its also basically Debian's installer
[08:38] <fritsch> nagyv: what says: dpkg -l |grep fglrx
[08:39] <nagyv> ii  xorg-driver-fglrx                      7.0.0-8.25.18+<IP_ADDRESS>-3               Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators
[08:39] <nagyv> fritsch:
[08:39] <fritsch> nagyv: sudo apt-get remove xorg-driver-fglrx
[08:39] <fritsch> nagyv: sudo dpkg --purge xorg-driver-fglrx
[08:40] <Upt-k-install> taht does not change the fact, that I cannot find any documentation for installing kubuntu
[08:40] <nagyv> now the dpkg | grep was empty
[08:40] <fritsch> nagyv: sudo dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/libgl1-mesa*
[08:40] <Upt-k-install> I only find docs for installing software
[08:41] <Kyral_Laptop> Upt-k-install: the Alternative Install is basically Debian's Installer
[08:41] <danish> upt-k-install: what kind of documents do u need. if u are a noob lie me try linuxcommand.org and tdlp.org
[08:41] <Kyral_Laptop> Upt-k-install: so read Debian's documentation
[08:41] <nagyv> fritsch: glxinfo at  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21010
[08:42] <Upt-k-install> I'm not really noob, the only thing I really need right how are bootoptions which help me to get my sata working
[08:42] <Kyral_Laptop> Upt-k-install: GRUB Supports SATA doesn't it?
[08:42] <nagyv> fritsch: I think it works now, glxgears gives cc 18000 frames / 5 sec, and even the screensaver is cool
[08:42] <Kyral_Laptop> Last I knew there are no issues booting from SATA
[08:42] <fritsch> nagyv: now glxgears -printfps
[08:42] <jujimufu> has anyone enabled dri (that is, to manage and have "direct rendering: Yes" in glxinfo) in kubuntu with an i915?
[08:42] <fritsch> nagyv: yes it does :-) i saw it
[08:42] <fritsch> nagyv: grats :-)
[08:42] <nagyv> fritsch: thx! :)
[08:43] <Upt-k-install> well apparently there are. my pc tried for about two hours to read my hd, and i cannot belief this is the way this should work
[08:43] <danish> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UserDocumentation try this i m not really sure it'll help
[08:43] <nagyv> fritsch: is it possible to use it with compiz? I would like to try it if yes. (after a bakcup)
[08:43] <fritsch> nagyv: mmmh yes it is
[08:43] <fritsch> nagyv: but a little buggy, as the whole compiz
[08:44] <fritsch> nagyv: fglrx would be better, but mmmh no go for me
[08:44] <Upt-k-install> thx danish, but i've been through that, and it didn't help
[08:44] <nagyv> fritsch: I know, but I have to try!
[08:45] <nagyv> fritsch: and would you recommend xgl or aiglx? according the wiki aiglx is better for oss drivers, but ATi
[08:46] <danish> upt-k-install: have u ruled out the problems with harddrive it self same thing happened to me i downloaded the software from manufacturer to scan it. the hard drive was damaged. windows just ignored the bad sectors so i didn't know until i put linux
[08:46] <fritsch> nagyv: i would not recommand one now
[08:46] <fritsch> nagyv: just wait
[08:46] <ballchalk> hello
[08:46] <fritsch> nagyv: you can install *g* but without "my" support
[08:46] <ballchalk> is there anyway how i can install amarok 1.4.1 through adept?
[08:47] <fritsch> ballchalk: yes
[08:47] <Upt-k-install> danish: I bought the pc just yesterday, and windows is already running
[08:47] <cannonball> Upt-k-install: if you mount the dvd iso and look in isolinux/isolinux.cfg, you'll see several options that the initial boot screen passes to the kernel/installer.
[08:47] <nagyv> fritsch: I am happy to use your time until now! :)
[08:47] <fritsch> ballchalk: www.kubuntu.org
[08:47] <Upt-k-install> so the hd can't be damaged, i suppose
[08:47] <fritsch> ballchalk: very on the bootom there is a link for amarok 1.4.1
[08:47] <danish> ballchalk: start adept and there is a search bar on top just type amarok and look for package
[08:47] <fritsch> ballchalk: just add the source line to /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:48] <fritsch> ballchalk: after that: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:48] <fritsch> ballchalk: done
[08:48] <Upt-k-install> cannonball, first I use a cd, second is this list equal to what the help screen offers?
[08:48] <cannonball> Yes.
[08:49] <fritsch> danish: yes, but he looks for 1.4 version
[08:49] <fritsch> danish: only 1.3.9 is in the default installation
[08:49] <danish> fritsch: srry i just found out that adept has 2.2
[08:50] <fritsch> danish: 2.2 :-)
[08:50] <fritsch> danish: no problem
[08:50] <ballchalk> fritsch: what line do i add to source.list?
[08:50] <dhq> how to disable people from stealing pictures from php and apache webserver sites
[08:50] <fritsch> ballchalk: hehe *G* you did not read, or?
[08:50] <fritsch> ballchalk: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-141 dapper main
[08:50] <ballchalk> oh i did added that
[08:51] <fritsch> ballchalk: please whole!! line from [deb till main]
[08:51] <Upt-k-install> cannonball,  then it won't help me either
[08:51] <ballchalk> brb
[08:51] <fritsch> ballchalk: done?
[08:51] <danish> fritsch: what does the "2:" stand for
[08:51] <cannonball> Upt-k-install: I'm looking in the squashfs filesystem that the installer uses trying to find the installer.
[08:51] <fritsch> danish: mmmh don`t know
[08:52] <fritsch> danish: but it is defenetily not the version
[08:52] <ballchalk> uhm hold on
[08:52] <danish> fritsch: if i have the gcc 4 can i remove the gcc 3
[08:52] <apmyp> how to in kopete change codepage from non-changebal Big5 to koi8r or cp1251 or utf8?
[08:52] <ballchalk> it tells me signatures can't be verified or something
[08:52] <ballchalk> i got hits tho
[08:53] <Heruka> Pairing problems with bluetooth ...kubuntu...any ideas for frustrated newbie?
[08:53] <ballchalk> waaaaaaaiiiit
[08:53] <ballchalk> geesze
[08:53] <ballchalk> i got adept open again
[08:53] <fritsch> ballchalk: what?
[08:53] <fritsch> ballchalk: tja ...
[08:53] <fritsch> mmh adept sucks anyway :-)
[08:53] <fritsch> too graphicall
[08:53] <fritsch> man uses apt (joking)
[08:54] <tomaczec> hi
[08:54] <ballchalk> fritsch: http://kubuntu.org line ........there's no key so i can't access that repository
[08:54] <fritsch> ballchalk: yes you can
[08:54] <D4rkly> what is port localhost:54822 used for can someone do a netstat -a and see if they have it aswell ?
[08:54] <fritsch> ballchalk: man, sometimes reading would be cool ;-) but uncle fritsch does it for you
[08:55] <fritsch> ballchalk: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.1.php
[08:55] <ballchalk> alright
[08:55] <ballchalk> lemme see what to do then
[08:55] <fritsch> ballchalk: wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[08:55] <fritsch> ballchalk: sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[08:55] <danish> Please insert the disc labeled 'Kubuntu 6.06 _Dapper Drake_ - Release amd64 (20060531)' in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter
[08:55] <fritsch> danish: do so
[08:56] <danish> fritsch: what about doing it from the web i am installing all the gcc packages
[08:56] <fritsch> danish: you have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:56] <ballchalk> fritsch: woops sorry man ahahah
[08:56] <ballchalk> it's right there
[08:56] <fritsch> danish: comment out your cd here
[08:56] <fritsch> danish: and perhaps comment in universe, multiverse if you are "just there"
[08:57] <fritsch> danish: after that sudo apt-get update ...
[08:57] <fritsch> danish: close adept before
[08:57] <danish> fritsch: thx i disabled the cdrom in repository wow i am learning so much
[08:58] <tomaczec> fritsch: just if you got time -> what's the diff w/ universe and multiverse?
[08:58] <fritsch> !universe
[08:58] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[08:59] <fritsch> tomaczec: just to read some stuff above?
[08:59] <fritsch> tomaczec: is this okay?
[08:59] <tomaczec> fritsch: yeah, thx.
[08:59] <fritsch> !universe > tomaczec
[09:00] <GreyRodil> I'm trying to install something and the instructions say to use 'su - root' but my access won't work for that command...
[09:01] <GreyRodil> it works fine for sudo commands...
[09:01] <fritsch> GreyRodil: use "sudo su" instead
[09:01] <GreyRodil> ahh, kk
[09:01] <tomaczec> fritsch: this bot was a bit rushing in (did not get warned, but ok to me ;-)
[09:01] <ubuntu> hey evreyone
[09:01] <ubuntu> i have a question
[09:01] <fritsch> hehe *G*
[09:01] <ubuntu> i am a first timer
[09:01] <fritsch> tomaczec: yes happened to me the first time, too
[09:02] <ubuntu> right now
[09:02] <ubuntu> i am running a live Ubuntu cd
[09:02] <fritsch> ubuntu please change your nickname with: /nick "name"
[09:02] <abattoir> ubuntu: cool :) . What's your question?
[09:02] <ubuntu> and i don't know how to see my files on the hard drives
[09:02] <fritsch> ubuntu: your files from windows?
[09:03] <geleven> so
[09:03] <geleven> i changed it
[09:03] <fritsch> geleven: cool ;-)
[09:03] <nick_> ok i have a static ip, installed without an internet connection, the installer disabled all my repos. quick fix?
[09:03] <geleven>  i don't know how to see my files on the hard drives
[09:03] <geleven> is the first time i am on Linux
[09:03] <fritsch> geleven: on the "house" symbol
[09:03] <west-en> fast answer: what is the partition manager in kubuntu called?
[09:03] <geleven> ?
[09:03] <fritsch> geleven: you can see this one?
[09:03] <fritsch> west-en: qtparted
[09:03] <geleven> yes
[09:03] <fritsch> west-en: me wants the first price
[09:04] <fritsch> geleven: now try to navigate to /media
[09:04] <fritsch> geleven: in there you sould see your windows partitions
[09:04] <west-en> nope i wrote qtparted in the console, but he don't find it
[09:04] <geleven> i write that in run command?
[09:04] <fritsch> west-en: you are running the live cd?
[09:04] <geleven> ?
[09:04] <west-en> no
[09:04] <fritsch> geleven: ah okay
[09:04] <nick_> ok i have a static ip, installed without an internet connection, the installer disabled all my repos. quick fix?
[09:05] <geleven> ok?
[09:05] <fritsch> geleven: do Run Command and type: /media ENTER
[09:05] <fritsch> west-en: you have dapper instelld=?
[09:05] <geleven> i did
[09:05] <fritsch> west-en: sudo apt-get install qtparted
[09:05] <fritsch> west-en: then you can run it
[09:05] <geleven> and is a root with all sorts
[09:05] <geleven> but no files
[09:05] <abattoir> geleven: try media:/ in the run command box
[09:06] <geleven> is sais this  i don't know how to see my files on the hard drives
[09:06] <geleven> wait
[09:06] <fritsch> abattoir: very good hint
[09:06] <geleven> mount: can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[09:06] <abattoir> geleven: click ok
[09:06] <fritsch> geleven: first timer *g*
[09:06] <abattoir> fritsch: thanks :)
[09:06] <fritsch> geleven: ah okay (me does not know the graphical stuff ... debian, debian)
[09:06] <geleven> same thing
[09:07] <abattoir> geleven: ok, so you have only one partition?
[09:07] <west-en> THANKS! i installed it and qtparted, works fine!
[09:07] <fritsch> west-en: only! use it on umounted partitions
[09:07] <fritsch> and he was gone ... could not wait to loose his data ...
[09:07] <abattoir> heh
[09:08] <geleven> i se a root list with bin...and mnt
[09:08] <geleven> and i know that in mnt shoud be my files
[09:08] <geleven> but when i click it is none
[09:08] <fritsch> geleven: no
[09:08] <tomaczec> fritsch: west-en installed qtparted that fast... i guess he knows what he/she does. :)
[09:08] <fritsch> geleven: try /media
[09:08] <abattoir> geleven: in (k)ubuntu, your partitions are mounted in /media
[09:08] <fritsch> tomaczec: i told him the exact command
[09:08] <abattoir> geleven: but you havent answered my question... you have only one partition?
[09:08] <blackflag> Hello all
[09:08] <fritsch> tomaczec: he has just pastet i think
[09:09] <geleven> 2
[09:09] <Heruka> hi .. bluetooth pairing nightmare... many days..any suggestions
[09:09] <geleven> in media/:unionfs/media?
[09:09] <abattoir> geleven: ok, open up a terminal(konsole)
[09:09] <geleven> is nothing
[09:09] <tomaczec> fritsch: would you (as a a noob) ask for qtparted ?
[09:09] <geleven> k
[09:09] <fritsch> tomaczec: yes
[09:09] <fritsch> tomaczec: be cause i read of it
[09:09] <abattoir> geleven: enter 'sudo mkdir /media/hda1'
[09:09] <blackflag> can someon tell me what I have to do when I want to run a daemon with another user?
[09:10] <abattoir> geleven: w/o the quotes of course
[09:10] <ballchalk> fritsch: when i clicked on amarok it's still 1.3.9
[09:10] <fritsch> abattoir: wait?
[09:10] <fritsch> abattoir: using pmount for test could be better?
[09:10] <abattoir> fritsch: ok :)
[09:10] <fritsch> abattoir: pmount /dev/hda1 /mnt
[09:10] <Upt-k-install> ich mach net mich fertig, sondern das d?mliche betriebssystem
[09:10] <fritsch> abattoir: just for "testing"
[09:10] <tomaczec> fritsch: well, i he/she read about it... i hope he/she read about it in _whole_. not ya prob i feel.
[09:10] <fritsch> Upt-k-install: nicht aufregen
[09:10] <abattoir> fritsch: anyways, its just the live cd :)
[09:10] <Upt-k-install> my appologies, wrong window
[09:11] <fritsch> Upt-k-install: lol, tjaha ich habs verstanden
[09:11] <geleven> k
[09:11] <danish> how do i install KDEVELOP latest version
[09:11] <danish> adept doesn't show any packages at all
[09:11] <fritsch> danish: mmh latest is perhaps difficult
[09:11] <Upt-k-install> fritsch: I have spent more time with trying to install kubuntu than I need to install gentoo from a commandline
[09:11] <geleven> i did....
[09:11] <fritsch> danish: what says apt-cache show kdevelop
[09:11] <geleven> now waht?
[09:11] <abattoir> geleven: did 'pmount /dev/hda1 /mnt' ?
[09:11] <danish> fritsch: what about stable
[09:11] <draik> Kyral_Laptop, talk about unfortunate events
[09:11] <fritsch> Upt-k-install: mmmh sure?
[09:11] <Upt-k-install> and that is _really_ annoying
[09:11] <Upt-k-install> yes
[09:12] <fritsch> Upt-k-install: you could try the alternate installer
[09:12] <Upt-k-install> I have three gentoo systems running, I have been through that install really often
[09:12] <geleven> sais must not occur in label name
[09:12] <fritsch> danish: 3.3.4-0ubuntu1~dapper1 this version is in dapper
[09:12] <geleven> fritsch?
[09:12] <fritsch> geleven: ja?
[09:12] <geleven> sais must not occur in label name
[09:13] <geleven> i wrote your command
[09:13] <danish> i typed apt-cache show kdevelop it just went to the following prompt
[09:13] <fritsch> geleven: sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[09:13] <Upt-k-install> I TRY the alternate installer, but every time it tries to read my physical volumes, it gets stuck. it tried nearly two hours before I stopped it last time
[09:13] <fritsch> geleven: this is an "EL" a small "EL" l
[09:13] <fritsch> geleven: fdisk -l /dev/hda
[09:13] <geleven> ok
[09:13] <fritsch> Upt-k-install: mmmh some screwed partitions?
[09:13] <geleven> i see the partisions
[09:13] <geleven> ntfs
[09:14] <fritsch> no problem
[09:14] <geleven> and the space
[09:14] <fritsch> geleven: pmount /dev/hda1 /mnt
[09:14] <ballchalk> helloo
[09:14] <danish> upt-k-install: could u change ur username i typed it in the console
[09:14] <Upt-k-install> no screwed partitions, I checked that from the windows, which is already running
[09:14] <danish> LOL
[09:14] <ballchalk> fritsch: did amarok -version and it said 1.4.1 but when i click on it it's still 1.3.9??
[09:15] <geleven> still the same error
[09:15] <danish> THX BETTER
[09:15] <fritsch> ballchalk: open a terminal
[09:15] <tomaczec> Upt-k-install: physical volumes -> means 'hard disks'?
[09:15] <fritsch> geleven: sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt
[09:15] <ballchalk> its open
[09:15] <fritsch> geleven: "sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt"
[09:15] <fritsch> geleven: whithin the ""
[09:15] <fritsch> ballchalk: sudo apt-get update
[09:15] <Un-punkt-tot> everything, that is physical and could cary data I believe... so yes I think it is harddisks
[09:16] <fritsch> Un-punkt-tot: windows is on the first parition?
[09:16] <geleven> it sais no such file or directory
[09:16] <fritsch> Un-punkt-tot: live cd is working?
[09:16] <Un-punkt-tot> tomaczec, I think whatever it is it should not take two hours
[09:16] <geleven> u askin me>?
[09:16] <ballchalk> fritsch: done
[09:16] <geleven> yes i am workin a live cd
[09:16] <fritsch> geleven: sudo mkdir -p /media/hda1
[09:16] <fritsch> ballchalk: sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:16] <Un-punkt-tot> fritsch, 1) yes 2) no, cupsd gets stuck, it simply stops doing anything
[09:16] <geleven> if is not installed on the system it could be possible for my files not to be mounted?
[09:16] <danish> fritsch: i got the taz.gz package for kdevelop what do i do now
[09:17] <fritsch> Un-punkt-tot: ah while installing
[09:17] <fritsch> danish: not good
[09:17] <Un-punkt-tot> yes
[09:17] <tomaczec> Un-punkt-tot: got a similiar prob w/ a broken installation cd rom.
[09:17] <ballchalk> fritsch: i upgraded through adept already after installing the key
[09:17] <ballchalk> i'll do it again
[09:17] <abattoir> geleven: nope, that is not the case... it should work
[09:17] <fritsch> Un-punkt-tot: you checked your cd drive?
[09:17] <ballchalk> fritsch: done nothing to upgrade
[09:17] <abattoir> geleven: create the directory and then try mounting to it
[09:17] <ballchalk> all 0's
[09:17] <geleven> i wrote that and nothing...another console line appeared
[09:17] <geleven> does it mena it did it?
[09:18] <Un-punkt-tot> fritsch I bought it yesterday, and all hardware is working really fine, as far as I see
[09:18] <fritsch> Un-punkt-tot: ah i have an idea
[09:18] <abattoir> geleven: ok, that's good, now do 'sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/hda1'
[09:18] <danish> fritsch: how do i install kdevelop then
[09:18] <fritsch> Un-punkt-tot: try booting with the parameters: irqpoll routeirq=pci
[09:18] <fritsch> danish: sudo apt-get install kdevelop
[09:19] <abattoir> geleven: works?
[09:19] <geleven> it sais it's mounted on /mnt
[09:19] <fritsch> ballchalk: dpkg -l |grep amarok
[09:19] <geleven> already
[09:19] <Un-punkt-tot> what will that do?
[09:19] <abattoir> geleven: ok, then your partition is in /mnt
[09:19] <fritsch> geleven: hehe, then this worked before
[09:19] <geleven> i know that
[09:19] <abattoir> geleven: type that in the file manager
[09:19] <geleven> type what?
[09:19] <geleven> i could not see the files ion mnt before
[09:20] <abattoir> geleven: ok, open the Run command dialog, and type /mnt and press enter
[09:20] <ballchalk> fritsch: it shows me amarok , the amarok engine and the xine engine all 1.4.1
[09:20] <fritsch> ballchalk: cool
[09:20] <fritsch> ballchalk: you see, no 1.3.9
[09:20] <tomaczec> fritsch: would a boot param influence the installation of the system?
[09:20] <Un-punkt-tot> fritsch, what will those parameters change? and which install should work with them?
[09:20] <fritsch> ballchalk: now start amarok
[09:20] <geleven> it sais i don't have acces rights
[09:20] <geleven> come oin
[09:20] <fritsch> tomaczec: yes, the will change the kind of the kernel talks to the cdrom drive
[09:21] <danish> Reading package lists... Done
[09:21] <fritsch> tomaczec: there were some problems in the past with this
[09:21] <danish> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:21] <danish> Package kdevelop is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:21] <danish> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:21] <danish> is only available from another source
[09:21] <danish> However the following packages replace it:
[09:21] <danish>   kdesdk-scripts
[09:21] <danish> E: Package kdevelop has no installation candidate
[09:21] <ballchalk> what wierd
[09:21] <fritsch> danish: do not past
[09:21] <crimsun> it's kdevelop3, of course.
[09:21] <danish> fritsch: thats the message i got
[09:21] <danish> ok sorry
[09:21] <fritsch> danish: sorry sudo apt-get install kdevelop3
[09:21] <ballchalk> fritsch: thank you uncle fritsch it only works when you tell my computer what to do whats with that
[09:21] <ballchalk> hahaha
[09:22] <danish> E: Couldn't find package kdevelop3
[09:22] <GreyRodil> is there any way to update the package list without getting online?
[09:22] <ballchalk> faster than 1.3.9
[09:22] <crimsun> !info kdevelop3
[09:22] <ubotu> kdevelop3: An IDE for Unix/X11 - development version. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.2-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 1218 kB, installed size 3896 kB
[09:22] <crimsun> note the component.
[09:22] <fritsch> danish: you have to enable universe
[09:22] <fritsch> crimsun: thx
[09:23] <Un-punkt-tot> fritsch, what will those parameters change? and which install should work with them?
[09:23] <ballchalk> man
[09:23] <LeeJunFan> ugh, I hate fsck'ing a damn full terabyte partition.
[09:23] <GreyRodil> I'm working on a modem issue and a lot of the fixes that I've run across involve having the make command which I can't seem to get without updating my package list...
[09:23] <ballchalk> mp3 still don't work but streams work alot better
[09:24] <fritsch> Un-punkt-tot: these change the type of "talking" betwenn mainboard and cd rom drive
[09:24] <tomaczec> Un-punkt-tot: and fritsch already said this! ;)
[09:24] <fritsch> Un-punkt-tot: you could try install with the params: "noapic nolapi acpi=off routeirq=pci irqpoll"
[09:24] <danish> fritsch: thankx i found it in adep after doing universe and multiverse thx
[09:24] <draik> Kyral_Laptop, my adapter is what gave out on me. All fixed now. Thank you for your help
[09:24] <fritsch> danish: me has to ask an adept user
[09:25] <fritsch> danish: can you enable universe, multiverse in adept?
[09:25] <Un-punkt-tot> sorry, did not see it then
[09:26] <fritsch> danish: yes! this is working cool!
[09:26] <tomaczec> Un-punkt-tot: dont just look at what is addressed at you directly. other ppl may be involved in a discussion. no matter.
[09:26] <Un-punkt-tot> tomaczec, I am not in a chat for the first time, and I scanned what was written an did not see it, ok?
[09:26] <danish> fritsch i just clicked repository in from adept menu and then click enable and apply
[09:26] <fritsch> Un-punkt-tot: you dont live near me, or? so i come to you and help installing (nothing to do this eveing, wanted to go headbaning)
[09:27] <fritsch> danish: yes i saw, cool ... the graphic tools
[09:27] <danish> fritsch: 1 problem i can't find kdevelop in k menu do i have to restart
[09:27] <tomaczec> Un-punkt-tot: it's ok. as told -> no matter.
[09:28] <fritsch> danish: yes, this is a "smal bug" in kde version 3.5.2
[09:28] <fritsch> danish: you could upgrade to 3.5.4, but you can run it from console anyway
[09:28] <danish> fritsch: i have 3.3.2
[09:28] <fritsch> danish: kde version? klick in Konversation on "help" then on "about kde"
[09:29] <fritsch> danish: what is written there?
[09:29] <fritsch> danish: perhaps kdevelop 3.3..2 but not the desktop environment
[09:29] <danish> fritsch: oooooooooo i though u meant  kdevelop
[09:29] <fritsch> danish: what version? (me wants to sell 3.5.4)
[09:30] <tomaczec> fritsch: i know it was a typo... but it's nice to know that you go 'to ban your head'. ;)
[09:30] <danish> it is 3.5.2
[09:30] <danish> g2g fritsch thx for help
[09:30] <fritsch> tomaczec: hehe, i thouht this too after wrting and found it jokey
[09:30] <danish> fritsch: how do i add u to friends
[09:30] <fritsch> danish: mmmh, dont know?
[09:31] <danish> k bye
[09:31] <fritsch> danish: bye!
[09:31] <fritsch> danish: much fun
[09:31] <fritsch> danish: was nice to help
[09:31] <fritsch> so guys, what to do?
[09:31] <fritsch> nobody has a question
[09:32] <fritsch> so i go head banging alone :-)
[09:32] <Un-punkt-tot> I am sure to find a new one any minute :(
[09:32] <fritsch> Un-punkt-tot: could you try with your old cd drive=
[09:33] <Un-punkt-tot> unfortunately not, its broken
[09:33] <GreyRodil> is there any way to update the package list without getting online?
[09:33] <tomaczec> fritsch: i saw you here 2 times... you deserve a time off. even, to ban your head for some hours. ;-))
[09:33] <Un-punkt-tot> but I am not finished trying the bootoptions you gave me
[09:34] <fritsch> Un-punkt-tot: please try all of them at once :-)
[09:34] <fritsch> Un-punkt-tot: no joke
[09:35] <Un-punkt-tot> thats what I am doing, was clear that I should not try them single
[09:35] <fritsch> okay
[09:35] <nick_> my dual monitors don't work
[09:35] <fritsch> nick_: these kind of setups i dont like *g*
[09:35] <fritsch> nick_: you want to clone them?
[09:36] <thompa> im wondering if its possible to install a new kernel like the one edgy has like 2.6.17-5-amd64-generic?
[09:36] <fritsch> nick_: or on every one another picture, being able to move throuh?
[09:36] <fritsch> thompa: you could try to rebuild
[09:36] <nick_> move through
[09:36] <fritsch> thompa: but dapper udev is not the newest ...
[09:36] <nick_> I want one for code and one for product
[09:37] <fritsch> nick_: okay, what is your graphics card?
[09:37] <thompa> fritsch: i know, i tested edgy and its really fast
[09:37] <fritsch> thompa: just compiled a vanilla kernel <IP_ADDRESS> on dapper some minutes before, the person could boot up just fine
[09:38] <fritsch> thompa: but not only chaning kernel brings speed
[09:38] <fritsch> thompa: kernel is not such a big factor at last
[09:38] <ballchalk> brb
[09:39] <thompa> fritsch: do you mean a kernel from kernel.org
[09:40] <fritsch> thompa: yes
[09:40] <fritsch> thompa: just build with ubuntu config ... for hardware testing
[09:40] <nick_> fritsch: nvidia
[09:40] <nick_> 6600
[09:41] <fritsch> nick_: you use the binary drivers?
[09:41] <thompa> fritsch: i may try it, thanks. edgy booted so fast unfortunately no kubuntu
[09:41] <fritsch> nick_: 3d hardware acceleartion?
[09:41] <nick_> i don't know
[09:41] <fritsch> thompa: mmmh, perhaups the use now extensive preloading
[09:41] <fritsch> nick_: open a terminal, do: "lsmod |grep nvidia"
[09:41] <thompa> fritsch: boot was about 20 seconds
[09:41] <fritsch> nick_: without the ""
[09:42] <thompa> to login
[09:42] <fritsch> thompa: hehe *G* they hast disabled the default filesystem check
[09:42] <fritsch> thompa: and finished *g*
[09:42] <thompa> oh
[09:42] <fritsch> thompa: sorry, not correct defenetily
[09:42] <nick_> nvidia               4550772  12
[09:42] <thompa> fritsch: so maybe its temporary for developers
[09:43] <fritsch> thompa: this was disturbing in dapper ... the always check whole fat drives
[09:43] <fritsch> nick_: okay
[09:43] <fritsch> nick_: sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[09:43] <fritsch> nick_: NO!!! stop
[09:43] <fritsch> nick_: STOP
[09:44] <fritsch> nick_: soory! broken universe package
[09:44] <nick_> ok
[09:44] <fritsch> nick_: puuuh
[09:44] <nick_> yea
[09:44] <nick_> i did a apt-get isntall nvidia-xlg before i cam here
[09:44] <fritsch> nick_: try this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27871
[09:45] <fritsch> nick_: seems very easy
[09:45] <nick_> fritsch: ok thanks i'll give it a whurl
[09:45] <tomaczec> fritsch: you take me wonders! how could you realize that fast that a universe package is broken?
[09:46] <fritsch> tomaczec: i tried to install it myself
[09:46] <tomaczec> fritsch: in a sec?
[09:46] <fritsch> tomaczec: and it wanted to remove nvidia-glx
[09:46] <fritsch> tomaczec: yes ;-)
[09:47] <tomaczec> fritsch: does not decrease my level of wondering. :)
[09:49] <tomaczec> fritsch: you give here answers to the questions of  a couple of ppls, in another frame you do a 'apt-get install' and realize an error... who you are?
[09:49] <fritsch> tomaczec: mmmh just used debian very long time
[09:50] <fritsch> tomaczec: and as a user a had the same problems, so sometimes know what to do
[09:50] <tomaczec> fritsch: well, i switched from Debian to Kubuntu also...
[09:50] <tomaczec> s/switched/switching/
[09:50] <fritsch> tomaczec: me 2, 2 times
[09:51] <fritsch> tomaczec: today i had to install a cool old Duron 850 with debian sarge
[09:51] <fritsch> tomaczec: sarge rocks, it works no probs
[09:51] <fritsch> tomaczec: but it is so old now ... uargh *g*
[09:51] <fritsch> tomaczec: and unstable, made my friends very upset with me ... so now kubuntu
[09:51] <fritsch> tomaczec: debian unstable : every dist-upgrade a new world
[09:52] <theine> fritsch: that's what I like about it
[09:52] <tomaczec> fritsch: are you involved in this NUN (just read about it today)?
[09:52] <fritsch> theine: me was so too, but now i have to work with my system
[09:52] <fritsch> theine: can`t break my kde for 3 weeks
[09:52] <fritsch> theine: or have vim or german language support broken for 3 weeks
[09:53] <fritsch> theine: or no firefox locale support for over 3 months ...
[09:53] <theine> fritsch: well, it hasn't been that bad for me since I switched to unstable
[09:53] <fritsch> theine: yes, if you are english native speaker -> less problems in usability
[09:53] <ryan> howdy
[09:53] <theine> fritsch: ...which was a month ago so I don't have very good statistics...
[09:54] <fritsch> theine: me at 23:30 always did a dist-upgrade and was llooking forware ... what weill be comming *G*
[09:54] <[GuS] > hello there!!
[09:54] <ryan> i just started using kubuntu a few months ago
[09:54] <fritsch> theine: i build nearly every git kernel earlier this year *g*
[09:54] <ryan> hi gus
[09:54] <fritsch> hi
[09:54] <tomaczec> fritsch: are you involved in this NUN (just read about it today)?
[09:54] <[GuS] > i have one question... there is a problem in Kaffeine with video controls? i change those and has no effect
[09:54] <fritsch> tomaczec: what is NUN? soory dont know
[09:54] <[GuS] > hi ryan
[09:54] <ryan> this is the first time i have ever used IRC
[09:54] <theine> fritsch: actually, unstable doesn't really boot for me right now, so I guess that proves your point
[09:55] <fritsch> theine: ah yes, the upgrade from tonight (kde stuff etc. was broken)
[09:55] <[GuS] > i want to change bright for example and has no effect
[09:55] <fritsch> theine: i am chatting with a friend to repair it ... just now
[09:55] <[GuS] > this happen with every Kubuntu dapper instalation i have
[09:55] <Un-punkt-tot> sorry fritsch, but it does not seem to have any effect
[09:55] <tomaczec> fritsch: new users network. i thought you are a guy who is part of it. as said, just read about it today. goggle for 'ubuntu nun'.
[09:55] <ryan> what do you mean as in bright?
[09:55] <ryan> gus?
[09:56] <fritsch> tomaczec: ah now, me is not part ... mmh good idea
[09:56] <theine> fritsch: it's much more serious than a broken KDE I'm afraid: if I boot into unstable, I'm thrown into runlevel 1 right away for maintainance
[09:56] <[GuS] > in video controls ryan
[09:56] <fritsch> Un-punkt-tot: could it be a fault cdrom?
[09:56] <ryan> oh
[09:56] <[GuS] > whatever option i change.. has no effect
[09:56] <[GuS] > and that does not happen before...
[09:56] <ryan> hmm could be your video card
[09:56] <Un-punkt-tot> hopefully not
[09:56] <[GuS] > is not
[09:56] <fritsch> Un-punkt-tot: could you go to Win$ and try to rip an entiere audio cd?
[09:56] <ryan> hmm
[09:56] <fritsch> Un-punkt-tot: or copy the content of a dvd
[09:56] <[GuS] > read me please: this happen in every Kubuntu dapper have in 20 computers
[09:56] <[GuS] > so is not a video problem
[09:56] <ryan> what kind of computer are you usin gus?
[09:57] <fritsch> then this seems a kafeine problem
[09:57] <fritsch> would fill a bug report
[09:57] <[GuS] > ryan, the thing is that before, was working
[09:57] <Un-punkt-tot> one moment please
[09:57] <ryan> it works fine for me on my laptop
[09:57] <ryan> wierd
[09:57] <fritsch> [GuS] : chaning brightness, you say?
[09:57] <[GuS] > yes
[09:57] <ryan> yes
[09:57] <[GuS] > or whatever another thing in video controls
[09:57] <[GuS] > has no effect
[09:57] <ryan> that is odd gus
[09:58] <[GuS] > yeah
[09:58] <theine> I love aptitude
[09:58] <[GuS] > for example
[09:58] <[GuS] > first fresh install of Kubuntu, works fine
[09:58] <[GuS] > after updates, no
[09:58] <ryan> im pretty savy with windows but linux is somethin i have learned to use fairly quickly
[09:58] <fritsch> [GuS] : does not work here either
[09:58] <ryan> u mean in control panel?
[09:58] <[GuS] > so... is kaffeine problem.. or maybe xine?
[09:59] <[GuS] > control panel? i don't use windows :P
[09:59] <ryan> system settings
[09:59] <fritsch> ryan: no
[09:59] <[GuS] > i am not a newbie.. i just enter here to know is that is a bug from kaffeine
[09:59] <fritsch> ryan: he change sbrightness during wathcing a newbie
[10:00] <fritsch> [GuS] : it is kaffeine, but i look in the man, if they write something they recommand for brightness
[10:00] <ryan> newbie u mean movie?
[10:00] <fritsch> hehe ;-)
[10:00] <[GuS] > fritsch, ?
[10:00] <[GuS] > lol
[10:01] <[GuS] > well.. i will check that un launchpad
[10:01] <[GuS] > in*
[10:01] <fritsch> [GuS] : mmmh it is working for someone
[10:01] <[GuS] > fritsch, but is not in 20 computers i have in my company
[10:02] <[GuS] > so i think is a problem with kaffeine or xine engine
[10:02] <ryan> very odd indeed
[10:02] <ballchalk> hi
[10:02] <ballchalk> how do i get torrent to work in ktorrent?
[10:02] <ryan> just gotta say im happy to be rid of windows
[10:03] <ryan> hi ballchalk
[10:03] <fritsch> [GuS] : not working for me, too
[10:03] <[GuS] > ok
[10:03] <[GuS] > i willl fill the bug report
[10:03] <fritsch> ballchalk: sudo apt-get install ktorrent
[10:03] <ballchalk> it is installed
[10:03] <TD-Linux> I went to http://www.microsoft.com/, and it crashed Konqueror :)
[10:03] <fritsch> ballchalk: just click on a torrent, it opens automatically
[10:03] <ryan> lol td
[10:03] <ballchalk> i'm trying to download limewire but status is "stalled"
[10:03] <fritsch> TD-Linux: i try
[10:03] <TD-Linux> segfault :)
[10:04] <TD-Linux> haha