[06:23] <dholbach> good morning
[07:10] <dholbach> hola dpm
[07:11] <dpm> hey dholbach
[07:11] <dholbach> dpm, pictures uploaded? :)
[07:11] <dpm> not yet, not yet :)
[14:47] <jose> mhall119, dholbach, dpm, popey, balloons: just to confirm my cal is right, Q&A in ~15mins?
[14:48] <balloons> jose, now 12 :-)
[14:48] <jose> awesome, thanks! :)
[14:54] <popey> balloons: who's starting the hangout?
[14:55] <balloons> I guess I will
[14:56] <popey> ok, jose do we need to fiddle with pages on ubuntuonair?
[14:56] <jose> what? me?!
[14:56] <popey> jose: what?
[14:56] <popey> I'm asking if pages on ubuntuonair.com still need editing?
[14:57] <jose> aah, yes
[14:57] <popey> it shows "Ubuntu Engineering Live!" for me
[14:57] <jose> you need to edit those manually
[14:58] <balloons> I got it.. updating now
[15:39] <dholbach> all right my friends - have a great rest of your day and see you tomorrow!
[16:16] <hggdh> cjohnston: an invite for canonical-support to join Bug Control has been sent to the canonical-support team administrators
[16:16] <cjohnston> hggdh: I got it. thanks much
[20:02] <pleia2> balloons o/
[20:03] <balloons> pleia2, o/
[20:03] <pleia2> hangouts is telling me "This party is over..."
[20:03] <balloons> it's a wild afternoon!
[20:03] <balloons> sorry, I'm not yet in the hangout
[20:03]  * pleia2 nods
[20:03] <pleia2> hoping this will be a quick discussion :)
[20:04]  * balloons hopping in
[20:04] <balloons> hmm, it fails for me too
[20:04] <balloons> let's make a new one
[20:04] <pleia2> ok
[20:27] <mhall119> balloons: pleia2: http://pad.ubuntu.com/wqrfJaFMgi
[20:27] <mhall119> feel free to work it around however works for you
[20:27] <mhall119> just keep the panel at the end, and keep mine in the same order
[20:30] <balloons> I guess we go first, or I simply don't worry about it
[20:30] <balloons> I think this order is fine. It's likely we won't take 1.5 hours, so we'll have more time for panel setup
[20:30] <balloons> and/or end early, do something spontaneous, etc
[20:32] <mhall119> balloons: you can end talking about Global Jam and encouraging people to get together in small groups and bang out some contributions before the panel
[20:33] <balloons> ^^ this is why he gets the big bucks folks
[20:33] <balloons> lol
[20:33] <mhall119> :-P
[20:33] <balloons> perfect mhall119
[20:43] <pleia2> cool, wfm
[20:53] <mhall119> cool, I'll send it to Bryan


[17:00] <LjL> Researcher-, just out of sheer curiosity, why is it that you get k-lined pretty much every time you join?


[12:27] <Daviey> yep
[12:27] <Daviey> 6 reboot, 0 off and 1 single user mode (borked mode :)
[12:28] <Daviey> That relies on there already being a script called mythtv-backend in init.d
[12:28] <superm1_> well it will be there
[12:28] <superm1_> after mythtv-backend is installed
[12:28] <Daviey> :)
[12:28] <superm1_> so if this is added to a postinst script
[12:28] <superm1_> for mythbuntu-live
[12:28] <superm1_> eventually
[12:29] <superm1_> but in the interim is put in the build script
[12:29] <superm1_> and then during postrm script they can all be reactivated
[12:29] <Daviey> Uninstall symlinks: update-rc.d -f mythtv-backend remove
[12:29] <superm1_> thats all it takes/
[12:30] <Daviey> :)
[12:30] <Daviey> easy as pi
[12:30] <Daviey> I had a real headache working out how to do when i wanted my tvon/tvoff python script to fire
[12:30] <superm1_> could you add that to the build script then and commit it ?
[12:31] <superm1_> I'm not going to be home for a few hrs :)
[12:31] <superm1_> just at some step later than the mythv-backend install, but before the second chroot
[12:31] <Daviey> Hopefully i won't bork it :)
[12:33] <Daviey> By end of Step N: eveything is installed?
[12:33] <Daviey> #Step N: Preinstall all other options
[12:33] <Daviey> apt-get -y install -o Acquire::Retries=$APT_RETRIES ubuntu-mythtv-frontend mythtv-backend-master lirc lirc-modules-source module-assistant mythweb openssh-server mythtv
[12:33] <superm1_> yes
[12:34] <Daviey> #Step U: Remove our fake scripts
[12:34] <Daviey> That could become - fix scripts
[12:34] <Daviey> Right before STEP 6 which is gen chroot iso script
[12:36] <Daviey> laga: do you have a vanilla mythbuntu machine?
[12:36] <Daviey> or the livecd handy?
[12:36] <laga> no
[12:37] <Daviey> boooo
[12:37] <Daviey> better re-create my virtual machine
[12:37] <laga> heh
[12:37] <laga> get some snapshots next time :)
[12:38] <Daviey> apache-perl isn't installed with mythweb?
[12:39] <superm1_> Daviey, its not?
[12:40] <superm1_> Daviey, that fix scripts section is quite urgent.  It prevents pegasus from running everything we install in the chroot :)
[12:42] <DaveMorris> hey guys if you tried asking me something in the last 6 hours you'll have to ask me again, as I left myself signed on at work
[12:42] <Daviey> superm1_: just about to commit
[12:43] <Daviey> DaveMorris: you missed it all.. nevermind
[12:43] <Daviey> it was great!
[12:43] <superm1_> great DaveMorris :)
[12:43] <DaveMorris> what did I miss?
[12:43] <superm1_> great Daviey :)
[12:44] <superm1_> okie dokie, hopefully i be back later this evening.  ignore superm1, he is a sign on from home that i forgot to sign off.  i'll try to kick him but i think he autorejoins
[12:44] <Daviey> superm1_: if apache2 is installed by default i'll need to deal with that aswell
[12:44] <Daviey> wb
[12:45] <superm1_> Daviey, it is installed by default
[12:45] <Daviey> doh
[12:45] <Daviey> so that's 4 services
[12:45] <superm1_> (because of mythweb)
[12:45] <superm1_> mythtv-backend mysql and apache2
[12:45] <superm1_> thats 3
[12:45] <superm1_> whats the fourth?
[12:45] <Daviey> plus apache-perl
[12:45] <superm1_> thats a service?
[12:45] <Daviey> seems so
[12:45] <DaveMorris> its an apache module
[12:45] <superm1_> sure?
[12:46] <superm1_> does it have an init script?
[12:46] <Daviey> " Start the apache-perl HTTP server."
[12:46] <Daviey> deffo has an init script
[12:46] <superm1_> hm i dont think i've ever seen it
[12:46] <DaveMorris> wtf
[12:46] <Daviey> This isn't a clean machine i might add..
[12:46] <Daviey> DaveMorris: does your's not have it?
[12:47] <DaveMorris> I'm not running perl
[12:47] <superm1_> let me double check mythweb depends
[12:47] <DaveMorris> but let me check
[12:47] <Daviey> DaveMorris: what does "find /etc/rc* | grep apache"  return for you
[12:47] <Daviey> on backend
[12:47] <DaveMorris> /etc/rc0.d/K91apache2
[12:47] <DaveMorris> /etc/rc1.d/K91apache2
[12:47] <DaveMorris> /etc/rc2.d/S91apache2
[12:47] <DaveMorris> /etc/rc3.d/S91apache2
[12:47] <DaveMorris> /etc/rc4.d/S91apache2
[12:47] <DaveMorris> /etc/rc5.d/S91apache2
[12:48] <DaveMorris> /etc/rc6.d/K91apache2
[12:48] <Daviey> apache-perl not a requirment then :)
[12:48] <Daviey> superm1: having personality issues?
[12:48] <laga> mother/gf making up his quit messages?
[12:49] <Daviey> laga: don't assume - could be bf :)
[12:50] <laga> Daviey: well, if you start being PC, you might as well include those people with even more interesting preferences
[12:51] <Daviey> they can dpkg --reconfigure
[12:51] <laga> true. some religious groups use dpkg--reocnfigure --force
[12:51] <Daviey> Arg!  why is bzr using VIM rather than nano
[12:52] <Daviey> it was using nano before re-install >:(
[12:53] <laga> Daviey: export EDITOR=`which nano` ?
[12:53] <Daviey> where's that then
[12:53] <DaveMorris> Daviey: because vim is better
[12:54] <Daviey> hahahah
[12:54] <DaveMorris> Daviey: you giving a lightling talk at LRL about mythbuntu ?
[12:54] <Daviey> heh - no
[12:54] <Daviey> Juski is doing one on mythtv
[12:54] <Daviey> And has included us on his handout
[12:55] <DaveMorris> cool
[12:55] <Daviey> methinks DaveMorris is keen
[12:55] <DaveMorris> I can get them printed at the uni you see
[12:56] <Daviey> DaveMorris: awesome - fancy getting me some ubuntu business cards :)
[12:56] <Daviey> with my pgp key on
[12:56] <DaveMorris> I'll find out the price
[01:09] <Daviey> superm1: ping
[01:14] <Daviey> DaveMorris: you can still just exec mythbuntu_install.sh with no params?
[01:15] <DaveMorris> yes
[01:16] <DaveMorris> btw can you check if suprm1 has changed the proxy setting to lowercase?
[01:16] <Daviey> will do
[01:17] <Daviey> #Proxy if needed
[01:17] <Daviey> if [ -z "$HTTP_PROXY" ]  ; then HTTP_PROXY=http://proxy.url
[01:17] <Daviey> fi
[01:17] <Daviey> is that ok?
[01:17] <DaveMorris> ok it all needs to be lowercase, and can you make it default to nothing
[01:18] <Daviey> #Proxy if needed
[01:18] <Daviey> if [ -z "$http_proxy" ]  ; then http_proxy=""
[01:18] <Daviey> fi
[01:19] <Daviey> is that ok?
[01:19] <DaveMorris> yep
[01:19] <DaveMorris> thanks
[01:19] <Daviey> commiting
[01:19] <DaveMorris> http://www.logiprint.co.uk/index.php?c=visitenkarten_4w&bereich=vk&cardtype=4w&provid=gen_business_cards is what you want daviey, ubuntu 1 side and mythbuntu the other
[01:20] <Daviey> DaveMorris: check the changelog
[01:20] <DaveMorris> link for the lazy
[01:20] <Daviey> penny for the guy
[01:21] <Daviey> Not too bad prices on them cards
[01:21] <Daviey> i looked briefly ad thought naa
[01:21] <DaveMorris> you should def get doubled sided ones though
[01:21] <Daviey> https://code.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu
[01:21] <DaveMorris> thanks
[01:22] <Daviey> :)
[01:23] <Daviey> umount: /tmp/mythbuntu_iso/proc: not mounted
[01:23] <Daviey> umount: /tmp/mythbuntu_iso/sys: not mounted
[01:23] <Daviey> umount: /tmp/mythbuntu_iso/dev/pts: not found
[01:23] <Daviey> umount: /tmp/mythbuntu_iso/var/cache/apt/archives: not mounted
[01:23] <Daviey> find: /tmp/mythbuntu_iso/lib/modules/: No such file or directory
[01:23] <Daviey> Usage: umount [-hV]  umount -a [-f]  [-r]  [-n]  [-v]  [-t vfstypes]  [-O opts]  umount [-f]  [-r]  [-n]  [-v]  special | node...
[01:23] <Daviey> Starting cleanup for Mythbuntu build, Fri Jun  8 18:23:21 CDT 2007
[01:23] <Daviey> Clean eh?
[01:24] <DaveMorris> meh
[01:24] <Daviey> might clean that up next update
[01:24] <Daviey> wow imbrandon's local mirror is fast
[01:25] <Daviey> I'm doing another build now.. wonder how it will turn out
[01:25] <Daviey> It's a real nusiance that you can't just patch the iso :D
[01:25] <DaveMorris> I'll be doing some run throught installs soon to help sort out this testing framework for others to follwo
[01:26] <Daviey> that would be great
[01:26] <Daviey> i really want to set up an RSS feed of ISO's so we can autograb them when built
[01:26] <DaveMorris> I think we need to lower the barrier to entry for the others
[01:26] <Daviey> would make hometesting much easier
[01:27] <DaveMorris> suprem1 was gonna mae the new versions apt-get upgrade once booted before installing
[01:27] <Daviey> yeah.. good for beta.
[01:27] <Daviey> but bad for bugtraqing tho
[01:27] <Daviey> 'What version are you running'  "Depends what day you ran it :)
[01:28] <DaveMorris> not really, because the bugs will either be against the iso, in which case a new iso is released, or they are against the packages installed
[01:28] <Daviey> true..
[01:29] <Daviey> looking at the build.. we've still got loada stuff that could be stripped out
[01:30] <Daviey> Any idea what the recent kernel security updates are about?
[01:30] <Daviey> Changelog not propogated yet, my end
[01:39] <keescook> Daviey: the USN covers it: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-470-1
[01:51] <Daviey> woo
[01:52] <Daviey> keescook: ahh.. somebody in my LoCo had this bug
[01:53] <Daviey> tried to fix it for them... but had no idea why it wasn't working
[01:53] <keescook> Daviey: yeah, there are a bunch of weird things involved with that kernel update.  Hopefully this will make things better.
[01:58] <rogue780|mythsrv> has mythdvd improved any since .19?
[02:03] <Daviey> rogue780|mythsrv: not sure i can remember 0.19 :)
[02:03] <Daviey> rogue780|mythsrv: do you use the Internal player or xine/mplayer?
[02:04] <Daviey> rogue780|mythsrv: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.20#MythDVD
[02:05] <rogue780|mythsrv> don't use anything atm....hell I don't even have an optical drive in my frontend
[02:05] <rogue780|mythsrv> curious is I should try to get it running, or if it'd be a waste of time
[02:05] <Daviey> IMO the Internal player has improved loads.  Previously i had to use xine.. prefer standard interface of Internal player
[02:06] <Daviey> rogue780|mythsrv: Do you have a need for DVD's?  If so then yes :)
[02:06] <rogue780|mythsrv> I have an antiquated dvd player that I'm using now....but I'm a fan of centralization....the fewer things I've got to have plugged in the better in my book
[02:07] <Daviey> On the few occasions i have used mythdvd it has done it's job.  But i prefer ripping and using mythvideo
[02:07] <Daviey> mythdvd doesn't save paused/exit location like mythvideo AFAIK
[02:08] <rogue780|mythsrv> argh...now I've got to learn how to make cookies/sessions (other topic....my $5M idea...)
[02:08] <rogue780|mythsrv> unfortunately ripping and such isn't very wife-friendly atm
[02:09] <rogue780|mythsrv> I'm glad PHP is proving easy to learn.
[02:15] <rogue780|mythsrv> Daviey, have you seen the new gtk theme that superm1 put together?
[02:15] <Daviey> not yet
[02:15] <rogue780|mythsrv> http://www.mythbuntu.org/~supermario/mythbuntu/new_gtk_theme.png
[02:15] <Daviey> noticed it was submitted to revu tho
[02:15] <Daviey> oww plush
[02:15] <rogue780|mythsrv> is that...good?
[02:16] <Daviey> yes
[02:17] <rogue780|mythsrv> sweet.
[02:17] <rogue780|mythsrv> I'm working on a GDM theme currently. I'm going to try to mirror what he did with the look
[02:17] <Daviey> sounds great
[02:17] <Daviey> http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/iso/  fair few iso's there now eh?
[02:20] <rogue780|mythsrv> indeed
[02:28] <Daviey> DaveMorris: ping
[02:29] <OpenMediaSupport> Has a decision been made on the default desktop manager for the frontend? Like the way the normal MythTV install on feisty defaults to OpenBox
[02:29] <Daviey> we're pretty confident on using openbox.  why do you ask?
[02:29] <OpenMediaSupport> http://www.mypvr.co.nz
[02:30] <OpenMediaSupport> We are considering GPL ing all of our NZ specific stuff and additing it into Mythbuntu
[02:30] <OpenMediaSupport> Plus also supporting Mythdora
[02:30] <Daviey> nice..
[02:30] <Daviey> What goodies do you have?
[02:30] <OpenMediaSupport> We currently use fluxbox, but I like the look of OpenBox
[02:31] <OpenMediaSupport> We can autoconfigure and update manage all of the NZ specific stuff - IR Blasters for SkyTV. Freeview + Sky + Terrestrial EPG feeds. MHEG-5 support for NZ freeview digital
[02:32] <Daviey> I initially wanted fluxbox or ratpoision, but was quickly convinced
[02:32] <OpenMediaSupport> Plus leverage all of our testing
[02:32] <Daviey> great!
[02:32] <Daviey> How are you autoconfiguring IR blasters?
[02:32] <OpenMediaSupport> Yeah we are currently based on Knoppmyth + fluxbox but with an enhanced MythTV 0.20-fixes build
[02:33] <OpenMediaSupport> There are a couple of SkyTV specific IR codes, and then dpkg-reconfigure lets you perform the selection.
[02:33] <OpenMediaSupport> Plus a wrapper script to control the firing of the blaster that appears to work on all NZ STBs
[02:33] <Daviey> Is that based on end user shell script or GTK chooser?
[02:34] <OpenMediaSupport> Normal dpkg configuration stuff - modifies lines in /etc/default/irblaster
[02:34] <OpenMediaSupport> Should work with gui or command line
[02:35] <OpenMediaSupport> We have also been backporting bit of MythTV trunk - There are quite a few DVB related niggles in 0.20-fixes that my customers have shown up.
[02:35] <Daviey> OpenMediaSupport: so you've had a chance to try the alpha iso?
[02:35] <OpenMediaSupport> Not yet.. NZ Broadband is interestingly constrained :(
[02:35] <OpenMediaSupport> Plus dealing with some customer issues out of our trac queue.
[02:36] <Daviey> OK.  tbh we are gobsmacked how many people have downloaded the _ALPHA_ iso
[02:36] <OpenMediaSupport> I have a prototypr myPVR build based on Feisty, and only minor tweaks were required to port over our existing mypvr-* support packages
[02:36] <Daviey> and we haven't had that many bug reports
[02:36] <Daviey> so that's a positive thing
[02:36] <OpenMediaSupport> Also I manage mythtv.co.nz. Just working on a news release on Mythbuntu in the background.
[02:37] <Daviey> OpenMediaSupport: that's great - but make sure you have a big fat warning that it is still alpha
[02:37] <OpenMediaSupport> Whats the best way (other than grabbing the ISO) to really get involved here.
[02:37] <Daviey> - we didn't even expect it do get onto digg :s
[02:37] <OpenMediaSupport> :)
[02:38] <Daviey> OpenMediaSupport: Hmm.. well all out source-code is on launchpad bazar branch
[02:38] <OpenMediaSupport> Not surprised. Got seriously slashdotted when we lauched myPVR 1.0. NZ sites aren't usually geared up for that level of hits
[02:40] <OpenMediaSupport> Yeah i'm on Launchpad. Need to play with bazar.
[02:40] <Daviey> Well at one point our server was chucking out 80MB/s!  Site pratically died
[02:40] <OpenMediaSupport> Nice..
[02:40] <Daviey> OpenMediaSupport: We'll have to have a chat with the other guys; not sure how we can implement country specific options at this stage
[02:40] <OpenMediaSupport> A lot of our testing will help all users, especially some of the additional backports from SVN trunk
[02:40] <Daviey> But i think it's certainly something we would find useful to add.  Do you have a download / repo we can take a look at?
[02:40] <OpenMediaSupport> Plus the IRBlaster framework could easily be extended.
[02:44] <Daviey> I think the next big thing we want to add is lirc support out of box.  Currently trying to work out how best to that.
[02:44] <Daviey> OpenMediaSupport: Can i ask, how many mythboxes you sell in NZ?
[02:44] <Daviey> Am i right in saying your UTC+12 ?
[02:44] <OpenMediaSupport> Yup At the moment. Where are youi?
[02:45] <Daviey> UK
[02:45] <Daviey> I'm UTC+1 - another is UTC-6 US
[02:45] <Daviey> Communications can be fun :)
[02:45] <OpenMediaSupport> No worries i'm originally from Liverpool
[02:46] <OpenMediaSupport> Its great as we can leverage all of the UK and European DVB work as the DVB network is only just starting here.
[02:46] <Daviey> pudlion eh?
[02:46] <Daviey> I really like some of your cases
[02:47] <Daviey> I've never seen the 180 before; who makes that?
[02:47] <OpenMediaSupport> NMedia.
[02:47] <OpenMediaSupport> The Asus M2NPV-VM boards rock. Feisty loves them :)
[02:48] <Daviey> :)
[02:48] <OpenMediaSupport> We don't have DVB-T here yet - http://www.mypvr.co.nz/mypvr/myPVR%20FreeView.html, so we have to support DVB-S cards, Sky NZ STBs and analogue
[02:48] <Daviey> If you can pop back in about 3-5 hours, 'superm1' would like to talk to you - i'm sure
[02:49] <OpenMediaSupport> I'll be here all day (off and on)
[02:49] <Daviey> Anyway, i must go to bed.  Nice speaking to you
[02:50] <OpenMediaSupport> Catch you round.
[02:55] <rogue780|mythsrv> OpenMediaSupport, that's pretty nice. I've been considering setting up a similar enterprise here in America
[02:56] <rogue780|mythsrv> OpenMediaSupport, what kind of remotes do you provide with myPVR?
[03:00] <OpenMediaSupport> We use standard Hauppauge MCE compatible remotes at present as they have really nice hot keys that we auto map to the correct functions
[03:00] <OpenMediaSupport> http://openmedia.co.nz/openmedia/content/view/27/59/
[05:22] <jose> Excuse me - can anyone help me with getting video to display properly on nvidia tv-out?
[05:33] <OpenMediaSupport> What sort of nvidia card have you got, and what typ of TV-out do you want to use?
[05:33] <jose> hmm
[05:34] <jose> The card's an... 8800 GT, I think
[05:34] <jose> And - well, the tv-out is S-video, NTSC
[05:34] <jose> It's already working, I think
[05:35] <jose> I can see a black screen, with my mouse cursor becoming a big X when it's over the TV desktop
[05:35] <jose> But my problem lies in displaying much of anything on it
[05:35] <jose> I mainly want to display video on it, figuring I could run Totem/Mplayer with a "-displa 1" parameter
[05:35] <jose> But - no dice.
[05:36] <jose> err - "-display = 1"
[05:36] <jose> I mean
[05:37] <jose> But yeah - any idea how to get it to play video?
[05:41] <OpenMediaSupport> So you are running dual head then?
[05:41] <jose> Yes
[05:42] <jose> Though I'm not running cinerama or anything
[05:42] <jose> Just two separate desktops
[05:42] <jose> With the secondary desktop being nothing more than a blank screen
[05:43] <jose> So all I need is to be able to run a command from display 0 that runs totem/mplayer on display 1
[05:47] <jose> err
[05:47] <jose> I should have probably stated "black screen" instead of "blank"
[05:48] <jose> Since it IS working - it's just black, with no desktop or icons or anything.
[05:54] <OpenMediaSupport> export DISPLAY=:1.0
[05:54] <OpenMediaSupport> mplayer videofile
[05:56] <jose> hmm
[05:56] <jose> doesn't work, I'm afraid
[05:57] <jose> still displays nothing, save for my mouse cursor
[05:57] <jose> Among its many error messages, mplayer displays:
[05:58] <jose> [MGA]  Couldn't open: /dev/mga_vid
[05:58] <jose> open: No such file or directory
[05:58] <jose> [MGA]  Couldn't open: /dev/mga_vid
[05:58] <jose> [VO_TDFXFB]  Can't open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory.
[05:58] <jose> [VO_3DFX]  Unable to open /dev/3dfx.
[05:58] <jose> vo: couldn't open the X11 display (:1.0)!
[05:58] <jose> vo: couldn't open the X11 display (:1.0)!
[06:12] <superm1> Daviey, did you push your commit?
[06:30] <OpenMediaSupport> Think he has gone to bed.
[06:31] <OpenMediaSupport> superm1 - Daviey said to talk to you about getting more involved. We have been producing a MythTV PVR here in nz - http://www.mypvr.co.nz
[06:31] <OpenMediaSupport> We can definately help with a lot of testing, plus we have a lot of experience with lirc and irblasters etc.
[06:33] <superm1> OpenMediaSupport, i'll speak in a few min.  i'll brb
[06:33] <superm1> :)
[06:33] <OpenMediaSupport> Also put up a posting at http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/
[06:35] <OpenMediaSupport> jose - Sorry I've never tried to debug that sort of dual head environment before. Is it started as a seperate X session? I'd expect it to be :1.0
[06:35] <jose> hmm
[06:35] <jose> Any idea how I'd be able to tell?
[06:35] <jose> oh riight
[06:35] <OpenMediaSupport> I'm assuming there is no window manager running?
[06:35] <jose> 'cause I can't drag windows to and fro
[06:36] <jose> Not on the TV, right
[06:36] <OpenMediaSupport> Ok
[06:36] <OpenMediaSupport> export DISPLAY=:1.0; xterm
[06:36] <jose> xterm Xt error: Can't open display: :1.0
[06:37] <OpenMediaSupport> Hmmm.
[06:37] <OpenMediaSupport> ls -l /var/log/X*
[06:38] <jose> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 28239 2007-06-08 19:17 /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:38] <jose> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 28481 2007-06-08 19:15 /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[06:39] <OpenMediaSupport> Ok so you are running a single X instance
[06:39] <jose> hmm
[06:39] <OpenMediaSupport> export DISPLAY=:0.1; xterm
[06:40] <jose> hmm
[06:40] <jose> Just hangs there
[06:40] <OpenMediaSupport> Nothing on either screen then?
[06:41] <OpenMediaSupport> Ok on your main screen start nvidia-settings and see what it tells you about your layout
[06:41] <jose> ok
[06:42] <jose> odd
[06:42] <jose> won't start..
[06:42] <jose> ah, there we go
[06:42] <OpenMediaSupport> wrong DISPLAY ;)
[06:42] <jose> it tells me there's both an xscreen 0 and an xscreen 1
[06:43] <OpenMediaSupport> Hmm so it should be :0.1
[06:44] <jose> hmm
[06:44] <jose> running that command, though
[06:45] <jose> it just... kinda hangs
[06:45] <OpenMedia_Steve> which one nvidia-settings or xterm?
[06:46] <jose> xterm
[06:46] <superm1> hi OpenMedia_Steve
[06:46] <superm1> so you guys are selling presold boxes I take it?
[06:46] <OpenMedia_Steve> Pre loaded - fully configured and supported.
[06:47] <superm1> ah
[06:47] <jose> Oh!
[06:47] <OpenMedia_Steve> We were based off Knoppmyth originally, but I have a development build using Feisty
[06:47] <jose> THAT'S why your nick sounds so familiar!
[06:47] <superm1> and how is it working for you thus far?
[06:47] <OpenMedia_Steve> We have a support layer to do a lot of the configuration smarts for NZ.
[06:48] <OpenMedia_Steve> Market here just isn't ready or big enough really. Feedback is excellent and good referals. We also have had good reviews off the local press.
[06:48] <superm1> very good.  i've heard a lot of NZ stuff can be messy
[06:48] <OpenMedia_Steve> There isn't an official or unofficial EPG source.
[06:48] <superm1> so how do you guys handle guide data then?
[06:48] <OpenMedia_Steve> We take care of all of the channel setup, and can support Sky TV NZ STBs.
[06:49] <OpenMedia_Steve> Guide data can be grabbed off a number of web sources as well as EIT data off DVB-S
[06:49] <superm1> unfortunately only a few days off EIT I imagine though
[06:49] <OpenMedia_Steve> http://www.mypvr.co.nz
[06:49] <OpenMedia_Steve> 7 Days of EIT, plus we have an MHEG-5 guide here in NZ with 8 days.
[06:50] <OpenMedia_Steve> We worked on the MythTV and RedButton support for the NZ MHEG platform - see http://mythtv.co.nz for details
[06:50] <superm1> I can't say i'm familiar with MHEG5
[06:50] <superm1> ill have to take a look here
[06:50] <OpenMedia_Steve> Its also used in the UK on DVB-T
[06:51] <superm1> So at this point your considering adapting ubuntu install of knoppmyth then?
[06:52] <OpenMedia_Steve> We need to update from what is effectively a sarge based build to get all of the newer video drivers
[06:52] <superm1> (which ubuntu provides newer drivers)
[06:53] <OpenMedia_Steve> We currently use a 2.6.15 kernel so we are stuck with an older ivtv driver and only some DVB drivers can be easily backported.
[06:53] <OpenMedia_Steve> Our normal hardware is either A8N-VM CSM or M2MPV-VM from Asus and they rock when running Feisty.
[06:53] <superm1> I can see for a commercial venture would require a very stable kernel release
[06:55] <jose> Hmm... sorry to keep on bothering
[06:55] <OpenMedia_Steve> I know a lot of homebrew users who consider switching to myPVR because of the features we have as standard that they still haven't gotten running.
[06:55] <OpenMedia_Steve> Jose - No worries.. Running out of ideas.
[06:55] <jose> but I was wondering - do you think my xterm setup is just not right?
[06:55] <OpenMedia_Steve> export DISPLAY=:0.0; xterm
[06:55] <superm1> jose, do you have gdm setup to not prevent X forwarding?
[06:56] <superm1> you wouldnt be able to do that if X forwarding is disabled
[06:56] <jose> interesting
[06:56] <jose> Steve, that last commands opened a terminal on my first desktop
[06:56] <OpenMedia_Steve> Ok so xterm is working then
[06:56] <jose> superml: How do I tell?
[06:56] <superm1> well if that worked, no need to worry
[06:57] <jose> ok
[06:57] <superm1> attempt, DISPLAY=:0.1 xterm
[06:57] <superm1> to launch on the second display
[06:57] <jose> without export?
[06:57] <superm1> you dont necessarily need it
[06:57] <jose> ok
[06:57] <superm1> if you prefix the command that way
[06:58] <jose> hmm
[06:58] <jose> just hangs, as well
[06:58] <superm1> what sort of dual head setup is this?
[06:58] <superm1> nvidia?
[06:58] <jose> yeah
[06:58] <superm1> twinview?
[06:58] <superm1> or seperate x screens
[06:58] <jose> separate
[06:59] <jose> My TV output
[06:59] <jose> displays little more than a black background
[06:59] <jose> and mouse cursor
[07:00] <superm1> jose, can you post your xorg.conf in a pastebin
[07:00] <superm1> !pastebin
[07:00] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:00] <jose> ok
[07:00] <superm1> I want to double check how you have things setup
[07:00] <OpenMedia_Steve> Gotta drop out for a couple of minutes. Testing some Wake to record stuff
[07:00] <superm1> Ok OpenMedia_Steve we'll speak some more in a few
[07:02] <jose> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24805/
[07:02] <jose> thanks for taking over, superml
[07:02] <jose> And thanks, Steve, for helping so far
[07:06] <superm1> ok the xorg.conf looks fairly clean
[07:06] <superm1> what window manager are you using?
[07:06] <superm1> and your not using compiz
[07:06] <superm1> or beryl are you?
[07:06] <jose> ha
[07:06] <jose> hahahaha
[07:07] <jose> I think I AM using compiz
[07:07] <superm1> you are?
[07:07] <jose> Was not aware that was a problem
[07:07] <superm1> thats likely exactly it
[07:07] <superm1> i ran into that myself
[07:07] <superm1> on an older setup
[07:07] <jose> ouch
[07:07] <jose> ok
[07:07] <superm1> that i used seperate x screens
[07:07] <jose> lemme turn that off
[07:08] <jose> ok yeah
[07:08] <jose> DISPLAY=:0.1 xterm
[07:08] <jose> works GREAT now
[07:09] <superm1> I looked for a workaround for that for ages
[07:10] <superm1> and the only possibility appears to be to use twinview
[07:10] <jose> ok
[07:10] <superm1> which i wasn't interested in switching to
[07:10] <jose> no big deal
[07:10] <jose> I wasn't erally using compiz for anything
[07:11] <jose>  DISPLAY=:0.1 totem movie.avi --fullscreen
[07:11] <jose> Seems THAT works GREAT
[07:11] <jose> Many thanks for figuring that out.
[07:13] <superm1> Glad to be able to help :)
[07:13] <jose> say
[07:13] <jose> Do you know
[07:13] <jose> If in Totem
[07:13] <jose> That "nvidia tv-out"
[07:13] <jose> even works?
[07:14] <superm1> I'm not sure.
[07:14] <superm1> haven't ever tried it
[07:14] <jose> All I've read on the subject suggests it's just a placeholder
[07:14] <superm1> I always just launched totem as
[07:14] <superm1> DISPLAY=:0.1 totem %f
[07:14] <superm1> where %f is file
[07:14] <jose> fair enough
[07:14] <superm1> which is easy enough to put in mythvideo
[07:15] <jose> Really?
[07:15] <jose> cool
[07:16] <jose> say
[07:16] <jose> %f
[07:17] <jose> is that an argument that can be used in bash scripts?
[07:24] <superm1> in bash scripts you'd do it a little differently
[07:24] <jose> ah ok
[07:24] <superm1> use "$@"
[07:24] <superm1> that passes arguments on
[07:24] <jose> cool
[07:24] <jose> WITH the quotes?
[07:25] <superm1> i used to do something like this:
[07:25] <superm1> let me put it on a pastebin
[07:25] <jose> ok
[07:25] <superm1> http://pastebin.ca/552231
[07:26] <jose> hmm
[07:26] <jose> what are the nvidia-settings lines for?
[07:27] <superm1> well that is something i used to do
[07:27] <superm1> because i didnt want opengl vsync on
[07:27] <jose> ah
[07:27] <jose> gotcha
[07:28] <jose> sort of
[07:28] <superm1> so i would turn it off before starting xine
[07:28] <superm1> play the file
[07:28] <superm1> and then turn it on when closing it
[07:28] <jose> cool
[07:28] <superm1> but you get the idea, that passes all the arguments of the script to xine
[07:28] <superm1> and launches it on :0.1
[07:29] <jose> eeexcellent
[07:30] <superm1> jose, if you can, keep track of things that you come across when getting things setup this way
[07:30] <superm1> i meant to document it when i did
[07:31] <superm1> but i didn't get around to it, so it will be good to have everything you run into down
[07:31] <superm1> it can be added to the wiki at
[07:31] <superm1> !mythtv
[07:31] <ubotu> MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[07:31] <jose> ah
[07:31] <superm1> i'm sure there are other people that will be able to benefit from this info as well
[07:31] <jose> You're suggesting I document the command/issue down?
[07:32] <superm1> well everything related to getting a dual screen setup going
[07:32] <superm1> including mythtv/videos on the second screen
[07:33] <jose> ok
[07:33] <jose> hmm
[07:33] <superm1> if you can
[07:34] <jose> gotta figure out where to put it
[07:34] <jose> But ok
[07:34] <jose> sounds like fun
[07:34] <superm1> well just for now take some notes down in a text file at least
[07:34] <superm1> one of us can help you format it
[07:34] <superm1> and get it on the page
[07:34] <superm1> the content is the more important part
[07:34] <jose> aye
[07:34] <jose> 'tis already written down
[07:35] <jose> Alas, I won't be able to get any of this done today
[07:35] <jose> But, I'll try to get to it
[07:35] <jose> it's the least I can do, after all
[07:35] <superm1> no hurry
[07:36] <jose> man
[07:36] <jose> so good to be back in ubuntu, though
[07:36] <jose> This video-playing, and utorrent, were my two biggest hurdles
[07:36] <jose> But today, they have been conquered, and all is well
[07:36] <superm1> good good
[07:45] <jose> say
[07:45] <jose> one last question, if I may
[07:45] <jose> Now that I have totem running on the other monitor
[07:45] <jose> I know I can run it with command-line switches
[07:45] <jose> and control almost everything from my first screen
[07:46] <jose> Any idea if someone's already made a program to control Totem from another desktop?
[07:48] <superm1> lirc
[07:48] <superm1> if you use a remote
[07:50] <jose> right
[07:50] <jose> ah well
[08:11] <OpenMedia_Steve> Oh the joys of debugging ACPI Wake
[09:05] <OpenMedia_Steve> Sweet. Got ACPI Wake + MythWelcome working ;)
[09:16] <superm1> OpenMedia_Steve, :)
[09:16] <superm1> OpenMedia_Steve, were you basing from the wiki page?
[09:16] <superm1> that majoridiot wrote
[09:16] <superm1> ?
[09:16] <superm1> or another source
[09:16] <superm1> i know laga and someone else were working off that page
[09:17] <OpenMedia_Steve> I used the Ubuntu Wiki and Myth Wiki as guides. Needed a couple of changes due to the Knoppmyth based environment vs Ubuntu.
[09:17] <OpenMedia_Steve> I had already checked the ACPI Wake manually.
[09:17] <OpenMedia_Steve> Just running a wake up and record now. Need to make sure it shuts down again and then wakes up for the following show an hour later.
[09:18] <OpenMedia_Steve> Looking good though. Had some of my customers asking for this to save on their power bills.
[09:18] <OpenMedia_Steve> Hopefully grumpy will have all of the zero ticks low power stuff ;)
[09:18] <superm1> on standalone single machine setups, yes it works wonders
[09:19] <superm1> if you have something more like a set of netboot frontends though, or anything distributed across a network for that matter, it can get messier
[09:19] <OpenMedia_Steve> Thats what most of my install our. Hence the nice compact case with decent audio and video support.
[09:19] <jose> hey guys
[09:19] <OpenMedia_Steve> Problem is finding lightweight hw for frontends that is HD capable.
[09:19] <jose> I thought I should tell you
[09:20] <jose> That now, I got totem running on the tv - direct from a desktop shortcut, no less.
[09:20] <jose> AND
[09:20] <OpenMedia_Steve> Sweet.
[09:20] <OpenMedia_Steve> Here comes the big one :)
[09:20] <superm1> Alright, so you wanted to do what possible to help us out.  I guess my first question would then be what types of resources are you meaning?  Helping with getting mythbuntu code together here, testing, documentation, support structure?
[09:20] <jose> I have a little "Enqueue" script, with which to right-click on files
[09:21] <jose> AND FINALLY
[09:21] <jose> A separate panel, featuring next/last/seek/etc. buttons, all of which control the TV totem from my desktop.
[09:22] <OpenMedia_Steve> superm1 - All of the above. I have test rigs I can run code on, Debugged a lot of lirc/irblaster stuff. Rework some of the myPVR docs to be generic, Plus NZ specific enhancements to simplify setup
[09:22] <jose> And which, thanks to ubuntu's art team, look rather nifty.
[09:22] <OpenMedia_Steve> Plus my experience with "consumers" which have very different requirements over normal Linux users.
[09:22] <superm1> jose, sounds like you have things working pretty well :)
[09:22] <OpenMedia_Steve> Anyhow gotta bale
[09:22] <OpenMedia_Steve> Dinner time.
[09:23] <OpenMedia_Steve> Home made Pizza :)
[09:23] <superm1> OpenMedia_Steve, OK we'll chat more through the next few days then
[09:23] <OpenMedia_Steve> Yeah. I'll try and remember to leave my IRC on from time to time ;)
[09:23] <jose> superml: Aye. And all thanks to - well - to the exclusion of 3D-acceleration.
[09:24] <superm1> jose, 3D accel shouldn't be broken, just running compiz/beryl
[09:24] <superm1> with this type of setup
[09:24] <jose> Fair enough.
[09:28] <superm1> you can probably take it a step further if you really wanted to turn off compiz automatically when launching something on the tv
[09:28] <superm1> and then turn it back on afterward
[09:29] <superm1> but i'm not sure its worth the effort
[09:47] <jose> hahaha
[09:47] <jose> That... yeah
[09:47] <jose> Would be a bit much.
[09:47] <jose> Anyway - thanks again for all your help.
[09:47] <jose> I must get to sleep. Take care.
[09:48] <superm1> night
[09:53] <superm1> Daviey, I finally figured out why your changes didn't show up in my 'bzr update' command
[09:53] <superm1> i had to do a merge
[09:53] <superm1> (for the first time, ever)
[09:53] <superm1> and it went surprisingly smooth
[11:11] <DaveMorris> Daviey: pong
[11:12] <superm1> oh man.  i should get to bed if DaveMorris is already up :)
[11:12] <superm1> silly ubiquity.....
[11:13] <DaveMorris> yeah
[11:13] <DaveMorris> is 10am here :)
[11:14] <superm1> well i'm closer than before in killing this annoying DB bug at least..
[11:14] <DaveMorris> sounds good
[11:25] <laga> re
[11:26] <superm1> morning laga
[11:26] <laga> morning
[11:27] <superm1> laga, sort out the mythweb fun?
[11:27] <laga> superm1: not yet, was busy with RL yesterday.
[11:28] <laga> superm1: you can't use my changes for 0.20 anyways :)
[11:30] <superm1> laga, :(, dont think they will be portable
[11:34] <laga> well
[11:34] <laga> we should be able to use those regular expressions to modify the old .htaccess
[11:35] <laga> but do we need a backport? i doubt it
[11:40] <superm1> well supporting it on the 0.20-fixes if its going in mythbuntu
[11:41] <laga> hm
[11:41] <laga> when does it have to be ready?
[11:42] <superm1> well get it working on trunk, and then we can worry about getting it on 0.20-fixes
[11:42] <superm1> i'll just leave the options disabled in the ubiquity gui until ready
[11:43] <superm1> woohoo.  that was the first install that went through with my DB fix.   it worked ! :)
[11:43] <superm1> i can kick off a build of these debs now, and then finally get to bed
[11:43] <laga> ^what options?
[11:43] <laga> shouldn't that be handled by the debconf frontend?
[11:44] <superm1> i was adding to the ubiquity installer
[11:45] <superm1> directly options to set the mythweb password
[11:45] <superm1> if you'd like to
[11:47] <laga> doesn't ubiquity provide a debconf frontend?
[11:47] <superm1> well it does, but there has to be a gui side of things to it
[11:47] <superm1> i can just disable the gui until the packages reflect it
[11:47] <superm1> thats part of all this that i've been working on :)
[11:50] <laga> care to explaihn to me how it works? does it use debconf at all or does it duplicatethe new mythweb.postinst changes?
[11:54] <superm1> laga, I've been trying to experiment directly calling the postinst changes
[11:54] <superm1> but haven't been able to
[11:55] <superm1> so i've been duplicating code to an extent
[11:55] <laga> ew :(
[11:55] <superm1> but it needs to chroot to run the code
[11:55] <superm1> which becomes really messy
[11:55] <superm1> because env variables need to be escaped
[11:55] <superm1> and then perl code running in the chroot needs to be double escaped
[11:55] <superm1> and so do sed scripts
[11:56] <superm1> thats the biggest thing that was slowing down fixing this DB problem that I was working at
[11:56] <laga> that sounds annoying :(
[11:56] <superm1> to say the least
[11:56] <superm1> if you pull in revision 49
[11:56] <superm1> of the mythbuntu branch
[11:57] <superm1> you can see what finally was the working result
[11:57] <laga> alright. does ubiquity just ask the same questions as in the debconf templates or does it actually modify the file system?
[11:57] <superm1> or browse it through the webif
[11:57] <laga> superm1: i'll take a look
[11:57] <superm1> its ubiquity/src/ubiq*/d-i/source/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-apply
[11:57] <superm1> for the file
[11:57] <superm1> well thats all about how i want to handle it
[11:57] <superm1> i can pass the same questions
[11:58] <superm1> but how i interpret the answers needs to be manually taken care of
[11:58] <superm1> in that apply script
[12:15] <superm1> Daviey, there appears to be more to this update-rc.d magic then you've put
[12:15] <superm1> I fixed mythbuntu-apply's other DB stuff, but this still fails
[12:16] <superm1> i think its just a matter of the word "defaults" after the update-rc.d mythtv-backend
[12:16] <superm1> etc
[12:18] <superm1> okay but its really past my bed time (by like 5.5 hours)
[12:18] <superm1> i'll speak more in the later AM
[12:20] <laga> :)
[12:20] <laga> i'll have read your code by then, i hope
[12:21] <laga> gotta mow the lawn now
[01:40] <DaveMorris> would it be possible to password protect certain dir's for mythvideo ?
[05:41] <ubotu> New bug: #114529 in mythtv (multiverse) "MythTV does not detect all channels" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/114529
[05:43] <Daviey> DaveMorris: password protct?
[05:43] <Daviey> do you mean within the myth interface?
[05:43] <Daviey> AIUI you can add passwords to certain files, but not folders
[05:49] <DaveMorris> yeah, so you can put all your 18 rated video's in a dir, and protect that whole dir from your kids
[05:49] <DaveMorris> I'm thinking along of it been sued in mythvideo
[09:33] <tgm4883_laptop> can anyone recommend me an IR receiver that is good for recording an lircd.conf file?
[10:26] <Daviey> tgm4883_laptop_: still looking?
[10:26] <Daviey> What sort do you want?
[10:26] <Daviey> Do you have a serial port on your frontend?
[10:27] <tgm4883> it's so i can record my remote
[10:27] <tgm4883> i have the usbmce2 remote and receiver on my frontend
[10:27] <tgm4883> but have problems recording the remote, superm1 suggested that the mceusb2 was not a good recorder
[10:28] <tgm4883> and that a serial solution is much better
[10:29] <Daviey> tgm4883: i have no experience with the mceusb2; but suprised it won't allow recording
[10:29] <tgm4883> it allows it, just not very good at it
[10:30] <Daviey> ah
[10:30] <Daviey> trying to find a link, to the one i would recommend
[10:30] <tgm4883> it could also be the tv not liking the ir transmissions also, but i figure that this is probably the only way to test
[10:33] <Daviey> tgm4883: your US?
[10:33] <tgm4883_laptop_> yep
[10:33] <Daviey> $15 sound reasonable?
[10:34] <tgm4883_laptop_> sounds great
[10:34] <Daviey> http://lnx.manoweb.com/lirc/?partType=section&partName=buy
[10:35] <Daviey> he now uses plastic encolosure's - but here is a pic http://lnx.manoweb.com/lirc/mids/img_3101.jpg
[10:36] <Daviey> It's not too difficult to build yourself; but it's a nightmare trying to work out if it's the hardware or software configs - when it doesn't work
[11:15] <laga> hi steve
[11:15] <OpenMediaSupport> Hi.
[11:17] <OpenMedia_Steve> So is there details on a Mythbuntu apt repository that can be applied to Feisty?
[11:19] <Daviey> OpenMedia_Steve: hey
[11:19] <Daviey> http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[11:19] <Daviey> That's a weekly build from 0.20-fixes svn tree
[11:19] <Daviey> maybe not ideal for production tho :)
[11:21] <OpenMedia_Steve> Thats why I have test rigs :)
[11:21] <OpenMedia_Steve> I'm going to add some MythTV trac tickets today for some of the backports we use to see if I can get any of them into 0.20-fixes. It would greatly simplify things.
[11:22] <DaveMorris> Daviey: do we have 2 versions of mythtv packages then, stable and bleeding ?
[11:23] <Daviey> not at the moment
[11:23] <Daviey> hmm
[11:23] <OpenMedia_Steve> The really cool bit i'm waiting on is the multiple recordings per digital multiplex
[11:24] <DaveMorris> coz I'd only wanna be pulling down the auto builds if I was hopping for it to fix a fault, or on a test machine
[11:24] <DaveMorris> OpenMedia_Steve: when is the due to be completed ?
[11:25] <Daviey> OpenMedia_Steve: I'm not certain that weekly builds are live yet.  Better speak to superm1
[11:25] <Daviey> he was working on that
[11:27] <OpenMedia_Steve> Look at http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/search?q=#3326 for details on the multiplex support
[11:28] <OpenMedia_Steve> Or http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3326 if the other link doesn't work
[12:12] <OpenMedia_Steve> Ok Just loaded a couple of backports into MythTV SVN for 0.20-fixes. One for NZ MHEG-5 support, and the other resolves a lot of jerky/skippy video issues on LiveTV.


[12:10] <gary_poster> benji I just annoucned the call in the canonical channel :-)
[12:11] <benji> yeah, X crashed on me there
[13:55] <bac> gary_poster: i'd like to move the wiki page to done-done.  it's as done as a wiki page ever is, right?
[13:56] <bac> or do they go directly from done-done to obsolete?
[13:57] <bac> frankban: here is the tarmac branch: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~yellow/lp-tarmac-configs/tarmac-puppet
[13:58] <bac> note this branch has credentials in it, so it must be kept private
[13:58] <bac> frankban: ping me when you'd like to hang out
[14:00] <benji> gmb: this is apprently not a good place for WiFi; i'l be right back
[14:00] <frankban> bac: ready when you are, yellow?
[14:01] <bac> ok
[14:04] <gary_poster> bac, I will move card after I send email announcement, which I am working on when not on calls
[14:04] <bac> gary_poster: ok.  i'll put it back
[14:08] <frankban> bac: hangout crash?
[14:38] <gary_poster> benji, gmb, I'd like to dig in at the end just a bit more on the senior/not senior aspect of the position vs his experience
[14:38] <gmb> gary_poster: I agree wholeheartedly.
[14:38] <gary_poster> cool
[14:38] <benji> +1
[14:54] <frankban> bac: still there?
[15:09] <bac> frankban: https://wiki.canonical.com/CDO/ISD/Docs/SSO/2ndFactorFAQs
[15:10] <frankban> bac: https://login.ubuntu.com/device-list
[15:20] <benji> bac: I am going to prepare and then join you.  Are you in the yellow hangout?
[15:21] <bac> benji: in a bit.  i'm fighting a battle with two-factor auth trying to get onto staging so i can create test data for lp2kanban
[15:21] <bac> but we are in the hangout
[15:21] <benji> bac: k
[18:35] <bac> hi benji, i am working on the kanban stuff again
[18:36] <benji> bac: cool; in the yellow hangout?
[18:36] <bac> benji:  en route
[18:45] <benji> bac: I'm back
[18:50] <bac> benji: i could just call you...
[18:50] <benji> bac: I'll go do something else
[18:50] <benji> we could...