[12:06] <_mort> helo
[12:08] <izigo> umm
[12:08] <izigo> what is this channel about?
[12:08] <izigo> is it about kde for ubuntu?
[12:09] <_mort> it's about kubuntu, I suppose
[12:09] <nalioth> izigo: it is about kubuntu
[12:09] <nalioth> !kubuntu
[12:09] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE, not a fork ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[12:09] <izigo> so its about ubuntu with kde?
[12:09] <izigo> reading the site ;)
[12:09] <hydrogen> kde 3.5 seems to break kdevelop :/
[12:09] <izigo> the first line there seemed to explain it.
[12:10] <_mort> i need help with my printing system...
[12:12] <kkathman> _mort: whats the prob
[12:13] <_mort> problem with the permissions
[12:14] <_mort> i have HP PSC 1215
[12:14] <kkathman> permissions?  can you explain
[12:14] <kkathman> ok
[12:14] <_mort> when I try to add the printer with my browser..
[12:15] <_mort> it ask me about the login and password
[12:15] <kkathman> right
[12:16] <kkathman> _mort are you using the system settings - hardware - printing wizard ?
[12:16] <_mort> I'm using my browser with adress http://localhost:631
[12:17] <_mort> http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/install.php#usb
[12:18] <_mort> in etc/hosts I have:lpadmin:x:104:mort
[12:18] <_mort> so I don't know what is the problem...
[12:31] <kkathman> _mort: but did you try the printer wizard?
[12:37] <Armagguedes> hello
[12:38] <Armagguedes> can someone tell me how i can gets amaroK to play MP3s? (im also interested in having it play FLACs and OGGs)
[12:38] <_mort> hmm. in kcontrol?? Yes, I've tried...
[12:38] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Armagguedes about mp3
[12:39] <Armagguedes> wow very advanced
[12:39] <Armagguedes> ok tks nalioth
[12:40] <Armagguedes> i shall go rtfw
[12:49] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> NN iedereen
[12:49] <manolista> any more have problems activating RenderAccel?I have a Nvidia GF4 and when I active renderaccel and open kcontrol or other kde aplication the system hangs...sorry my poor english
[12:50] <_fred> hi everybody
[12:51] <SbCl3> i installed breezy, and i'm wondering how i get kaffeine to play using the xine engine
[12:51] <icewt> have you installed kaffeine-xine ?
[12:51] <SbCl3> ah, no i haven't
[12:51] <SbCl3> thankyou
[12:53] <troth> does anyone know how to manually eenter a url in ktorrent or select the program in the "open with" box?
[12:53] <bitland> hello
[12:53] <bitland> big distro ;-)
[12:53] <SbCl3> i still can't figure out how to use xine instead of gstreamer :/
[12:54] <Armagguedes> anyone here  uses skype?
[12:54] <icewt> SbCl3: settings -> player engine in kaffeine
[12:55] <swaty> Buenas., como se llama el GDesktlep pero para KDE ??
[12:55] <Armagguedes> i downloaded the latest version, but it asks for libqt3c102-mt, and i cant find these on the repositories
[12:55] <Armagguedes> any clues
[12:56] <icewt> Armagguedes: try using http://skype.com/go/getskype-linux-static
[12:56] <nalioth> !es
[12:56] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[12:56] <nalioth> swaty: superkarambe
[12:56] <nalioth> swaty: superkaramba
[12:56] <nalioth> mi disculpa
[12:57] <swaty> nalioth: yo tengo eso.. pero ese no es para la barra de informacion?
[12:58] <manolista> ostras espaoles
[12:58] <nalioth> swaty: yo habla poquito espanol, http://netdragon.sourceforge.net/ssuperkaramba.html
[12:58] <manolista> una preguntita, a vosotros se os cuelga el sistema al activar renderaccel?
[12:59] <manolista> ok ubotu
[12:59] <Armagguedes> icewt what is the difference?
[12:59] <icewt> Armagguedes: it has qt compiled in
[12:59] <nalioth> esta canal de espaol aqui >>> #ubuntu-es
[12:59] <Armagguedes> by the way, how long does it take for the repositories to be updated? it's been a week since OOo2final has been released, and i still only see in the Repos the 1.9.129 version
[12:59] <Armagguedes> icewt ok tks
[01:00] <nalioth> Armagguedes: backports will likely be the first you see of oOo2
[01:00] <nalioth> and that is a a few weeks off
[01:01] <Armagguedes> pardon my ignoransse, what is a backport
[01:01] <nalioth> Armagguedes: dapper drake is the next version of ubuntu. they will back port programs that will be included in dapper for use on breezy badger (our current distro)
[01:02] <Armagguedes> hm ok
[01:02] <nalioth> ubuntu doesnt continually add pkgs once it 'freezes'. it has a 6 month release schedule and once a pkg version is accepted, nothing but security fixes come after that
[01:04] <Armagguedes> oh i see. i thought that as packages got updated the Ub. team would do the necessary work and update the repos
[01:04] <Armagguedes> ok fair enough
[01:05] <troth> does anyone here use ktorrent?
[01:05] <Armagguedes> icewt how do i install that skype version?
[01:05] <Armagguedes> i see no shell script
[01:06] <nalioth> troth: i have used it, and find it buggy
[01:07] <icewt> Armagguedes: just unpack it and run the skype file in it
[01:07] <Armagguedes> ah ok tks
[01:07] <troth> nalioth: how do you choose it for "open with" or how do i manually enter a url in it?
[01:07] <Armagguedes> i'll drag that into /opt/ and linkit then
[01:07] <Armagguedes> tks
[01:08] <nalioth> troth: to make a torrent from local data? i have no idea (it is way too buggy for me)
[01:08] <troth> nalioth: weel what do you use, btw
[01:08] <nalioth> i use "gnu screen" + console bittornado
[01:09] <troth> i see
[01:09] <swaty> nalioth: Thanks, no problem, i speak english lot
[01:10] <nalioth> troth: you can use bittornado-gui, if you wish (it's python, so it runs well anywhere)
[01:10] <gnomefreak> did they release kdevelop4 for kubuntu?
[01:10] <flixor> hoi everybody
[01:11] <flixor> kkathman: man this kubuntu rocks
[01:11] <wasp> hello...i just installed kubuntu and i was wondering if anyone can tell me how to access my windows partition as i cant seem to find it anywhere
[01:11] <flixor> everybody works as i want it to be
[01:11] <troth> nalioth: do i apt-get or synaptic?
[01:11] <flixor> everything i meant
[01:11] <flixor> :)
[01:11] <_mort> wasp: try /media/hda..
[01:11] <nalioth> troth: whatever you like. (if you are a kubuntu user, use adept (breezy) or kynaptic0
[01:12] <troth> nalioth: are you saying synaptic is no good/
[01:12] <nalioth> troth: i'm saying that for kubuntu, use the kde tools. synaptic is fine, if you like it
[01:13] <wasp> it does not exist
[01:13] <troth> nalioth: k i do have kubuntu breezy
[01:14] <wasp> _mort: any other help you can provide me with???maybe a step by step solution that you can tell where and how?
[01:14] <wasp> please
[01:15] <_mort> open konqueror
[01:15] <wasp> ok
[01:15] <nalioth> troth: go with what you know, adept in kubuntu breezy roX
[01:15] <troth> k
[01:15] <_mort> type in adress bar: /media/
[01:16] <wasp> yes
[01:16] <kevman> Whenever I go to delete a file, I get this error: Could not write to file /home/kevin/.local/share/Trash/info/q.log.trashinfo.
[01:16] <wasp> it has 3cdroms and 2 floppys  from which the 2 are shortcuts
[01:16] <apokryphos> kevman: have you been running GUI apps with sudo?
[01:17] <wasp> apokryphos: where are u from?
[01:17] <_mort> ah, ok
[01:17] <kevman> Uh, yeah, a few.
[01:17] <brunes> does anyone know wher I can get mplayer packages for breezy that work? There are depends problems with the ones at ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[01:17] <apokryphos> wasp: London, but I'm Greek.
[01:17] <apokryphos> kevman: you shouldn't
[01:17] <wasp> i thought so
[01:17] <apokryphos> !tell kevman about kdesu
[01:17] <wasp> so am i
[01:17] <apokryphos> cool =). Whereabouts?
[01:17] <nalioth> brunes: you shouldnt use any debian binary repos
[01:17] <wasp> im in bristol now but from athens
[01:17] <kevman> Oh, OK.
[01:17] <_mort> wasp: so U have to mount your windows partitions
[01:18] <brunes> nalioth: Well that was the only one I could find with mplayer... it doesnt work anyway
[01:18] <wasp> mort:how do i do that?
[01:18] <apokryphos> kevman: anyhow, sudo chown -R kevin:kevin /home/kevin
[01:18] <brunes> nalioth: Do you know of an ubuntu one?
[01:18] <nalioth> brunes: join #kubuntu-offtopic and i'll help you
[01:18] <apokryphos> wasp: Cool, Bristol is really nice :). (nearly ended up going there for Uni)
[01:18] <wasp> kalh fah...ti spoudazeis?
[01:19] <kevman> Cool. Thanks.
[01:19] <brunes> nalioth: joined
[01:19] <_mort> wasp: http://elsheikhmh.20m.com/mount-mini-howto/html/mount-mini-howto-3.html#ss3.1
[01:19] <wasp> thanx man
[01:22] <wasp> mort:sorry..i have fdisk intalled but cant find where...i run fdisk through the konsole but it has 3 choices and i dont know how to do it...:(
[01:23] <wasp> i know i suck but it is always good to learn new things..
[01:24] <nalioth> wasp: use cfdisk
[01:24] <nalioth> wasp: or qtparted
[01:24] <wasp> and how do i run it?from the console?
[01:25] <nalioth> cfdisk is a console program, try qtparted (you may have to install it)
[01:25] <kevman> Anyone here run a custom kernel in kubuntu?
[01:25] <wasp> so wount it be easier to use cfdisk as i probably will fail installing another prog
[01:27] <nalioth> wasp: use either one
[01:28] <wasp> but how do i use it??where do i open it from etc/..do i just type in the console fdisk?
[01:30] <wasp> anyway i probably have to read to find that...can u at least help me to use my dvd r..it is a usb one..so how do i mount etc
[01:31] <wasp> i created new device etc...it manges to eject but will not read or open etc
[01:32] <wasp> anyone?
[01:33] <nalioth> wasp: sorry kinda got my feet in several channels
[01:33] <wasp> ok..thanx though
[01:33] <nalioth> use "sudo cfdisk /dev/hda" or whatever your drive is
[01:33] <wasp> ok thanx
[01:34] <_manveru> only for the log - kubuntu rocks :)
[01:34] <_manveru> got 3d and composite working in 3 reboots
[01:34] <_manveru> including a new kernel
[01:36] <Armagguedes> why doesnt azureus appear in the repos?
[01:36] <Armagguedes> is it not gol/foss
[01:37] <apokryphos> it depends on Java
[01:37] <apokryphos> though, is it free (open-source)?
[01:37] <wasp> nalioth: thanx man this helped allot..if u can also tell me how to mount it i would be really gratefull
[01:37] <jordi> hi everybody
[01:37] <wasp> greatfull
[01:37] <nalioth> mount your dvd? it should automajically mount
[01:38] <wasp> my dvd is external so it does not...
[01:38] <wasp> for windows i am more concerned now
[01:39] <nalioth> i'm not familiar with external devices, my firewire drives automount
[01:39] <AndyFitz> g'day guys
[01:39] <wasp> ok...but do u know how i can mount my windows partition?
[01:39] <jordi> I wanted to ask you if someone has noticed if you open a kaffeine, you close it and you open it agianm if you go to ksysguard this tells you you have two kaffeines open and the same for firefox, is there a problem closing some apps?
[01:41] <apokryphos> jordi: it runs in the systemtray
[01:41] <apokryphos> if you exit it from there it should die
[01:41] <apokryphos> though some programs can run a few processes for a bit of time after they're closed
[01:41] <nalioth> ubotu: tell wasp about mountwindows
[01:41] <jordi> mmm no i thought that but i think i's not the problem, i have the systemtray unchecked
[01:41] <jordi> and firefox has the same problem
[01:42] <apokryphos> jordi: well, how long does it run in there for?
[01:43] <jordi> much time, when i have a long session i can see in ksysguard 6 o 7 kaffeines
[01:44] <jordi> and well i just try firefox and now it is ok
[01:44] <wasp> thanx allot...but for some reason it says no windows partition available
[01:45] <jordi> but kaffeine still have this proble when i tried 3.42 in hoary , there was ths same problem
[01:45] <jordi> i think it is relationed withi kaffeine crashing
[01:46] <jordi> i only wanted to know if someone has the same problem for confirm it and fill a bug report
[01:47] <jordi> the other thing i wanted to ask is now the problem with usbdisks is fixed, but i still have the problems with :Hard drives don't show up in media:/, isn't fixed yet? or i am doing something wrong
[01:48] <jordi> sorry for my english
[01:52] <wasp_ems> nalioth: sorry man but it tells me that it cant find an active windows partition
[01:54] <phiqtion> kubuntu is huge! how can i shrink it? display is on 1280x780
[01:56] <icewt> phiqtion: well, you could start looking at the panel configuration
[02:01] <nalioth> wasp_ems: at this point , open a terminal and type "man mount" or ask uncle google
[02:01] <wasp_ems> ok...
[02:01] <wasp_ems> :)
[02:01] <wasp_ems> thanx though
[02:02] <phiqtion> icewt: everyting is still big, i selected a tiny panel. same thing still
[02:07] <Armagguedes> how can i increase the font size in GAIM v1.5?
[02:07] <Armagguedes> i've tried using the preferences > font option, but it doesnt change
[02:07] <phiqtion> kubuntu is huge! how can i shrink it? display is on 1280x780
[02:07] <Armagguedes> it is miniscule, it hurts my eyes just trying to read what im writting or someone elses msgs
[02:09] <wasp_ems> final question for today which is really simple for you...how do i open a root konsole
[02:09] <Armagguedes> you edit the shortcut and add to the command line "sudo"?
[02:11] <wasp_ems> anyone??
[02:11] <wasp_ems> ok found it
[02:13] <gnomefreak> hey guys is kdevelop4 in kubuntu yet?
[02:20] <scotty> Hello
[02:21] <scotty> How do you access root? I typed in su the password I picked and its not working
[02:23] <tarheelcoxn> scotty: sudo bash
[02:24] <tarheelcoxn> safer would be to just use sudo every time
[02:24] <tarheelcoxn> and if you're installing software, use fakeroot instaed
[02:24] <tarheelcoxn> err
[02:24] <tarheelcoxn> instead
[02:25] <scotty> fake root?
[02:25] <tarheelcoxn> scotty: sudo apt-get install fakeroot
[02:25] <tarheelcoxn> if you don't already have it
[02:26] <scotty> you mean linux is easier than it looks?!
[02:27] <tarheelcoxn> :P
[02:27] <tarheelcoxn> any OS you're not familiar with will have its frustrations
[02:27] <Hobbsee> morning all
[02:27] <scotty> I understand this. I'm not frustrated actually, I'm shocked
[02:27] <tarheelcoxn> :P
[02:28] <scotty> Linux to me was protrayed as not that easy
[02:28] <kkathman> evening all :)  Hey Hobbsee :)
[02:28] <Hobbsee> hey kkathman :)
[02:28] <scotty> as a brand new win convert..
[02:28] <scotty> hi kkath
[02:28] <Hobbsee> scotty: in some cases, it's not, but in many cases, it sure is!
[02:28] <kkathman> hi scotty
[02:28] <tarheelcoxn> scotty: welcome to the club
[02:28] <scotty> thats what books are for hobbsee
[02:28] <scotty> thanks tarheelcoxn
[02:28] <tarheelcoxn> :) np
[02:29] <Hobbsee> scotty: or ubuntu wiki, or ubuntu forums, or the IRC channels
[02:29] <scotty> true true true
[02:29] <kkathman> books BAH
[02:29] <scotty> there are online tutorials too
[02:29] <kkathman> hehe
[02:29] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah...books?  here?  probably not most of them
[02:29] <Hobbsee> online stuff is way better
[02:29] <Hobbsee> unless the network is dead, of course, then it's not much help
[02:30] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  I actually found an online version of O'Reilly's LInux book on line!
[02:30] <Hobbsee> ooh really?  where?
[02:30] <tarheelcoxn> books are good for things like protocols
[02:30] <tarheelcoxn> they don't change as quickly
[02:30] <crimsun> I hate reading material online; I'd much rather print it and read it that way
[02:30] <tarheelcoxn> also languages
[02:30] <kkathman> Hobbsee: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/  (its a debian book, but since Ubuntu is debian based...there ya go)
[02:31] <tarheelcoxn> 90% of my SQL and DBMS knowledge if from books, for example
[02:31] <Hobbsee> kkathman: cool, thanks
[02:31] <kkathman> Books BAH :)
[02:31] <kkathman> hehe
[02:31] <scotty> thanks kkath
[02:31] <kkathman> I have a pretty good library here at home...the essentials
[02:31] <scotty> programming funamentals haven't actually changed since 1997 when they upgraded C right??
[02:32] <crimsun> I love dead trees. Must by my literature background speaking.
[02:32] <kkathman> not sure programming fundamentals have changed all that much since the dawn of programming...the syntax has tho :)
[02:32] <crimsun> Must be^
[02:32] <kkathman> crimsun: you'd get that from my office too hehe
[02:33] <gnomefreak> kdevelop4 in kubuntu? or is it something i have to get from site?
[02:33] <crimsun> site.
[02:34] <gnomefreak> ty crimsun
[02:34] <scotty> eating a bacon wrapped beef samwich with fries and ketchup. A heart attack waiting to happen
[02:34] <crimsun> kdevelop3 | 4:3.2.3-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Packages
[02:34] <kkathman> lol scotty...Im munching on smoked cheddar, some crackers and a nice red wine
[02:34] <scotty> :-)
[02:35] <scotty> ugh
[02:35] <kkathman> Im not sure, but if you were to have a glass of red wine with that sammich, you'd be the picture of health dude :)
[02:35] <scotty> Trying to install java from their turtorial sucks.
[02:35] <crimsun> it's straight-forward.
[02:35] <kkathman> scotty why didnt you install it from the repos?
[02:35] <scotty> well, I see more of a steak dinner with some red wine myself
[02:35] <Hobbsee> !tell scotty about javadeb
[02:36] <tarheelcoxn> see y'all later
[02:36] <scotty> repos?
[02:36] <scotty> The noob in me comes out
[02:36] <kkathman> dang Hobbsee you just scooped me :)
[02:36] <Hobbsee> hehehehe
[02:36] <Hobbsee> anytime kkathman :P
[02:36] <Hobbsee> !repos
[02:36] <ubotu> it has been said that sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[02:36] <Hobbsee> scotty: check your PM - java's way easier to install from there
[02:36] <kkathman> Hobbsee: just shows that brilliant minds wind up in the same gutter
[02:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:37] <scotty> which one do i DL? 5.15?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> !javadeb
[02:37] <ubotu> [javadeb]  for sun java debs packaged for ubuntu, Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[02:37] <Hobbsee> let me see...
[02:38] <Hobbsee> http://www.giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb
[02:38] <Hobbsee> that one, so second one on the list
[02:38] <Hobbsee> excluding the parent directory link
[02:38] <scotty> thank you
[02:38] <scotty> you know, you guys are a nice bunch
[02:38] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:39] <scotty> I was at a linux forum once and they about ripped me apart
[02:39] <Hobbsee> there are some that do...i could point to #suse for an example
[02:39] <scotty> I'm glad though or I would have been stuck with Fedora Core 4 instead of kubuntu :-)
[02:39] <Hobbsee> they just seem to rip each other apart - did when i was lurking there
[02:39] <scotty> vicious
[02:40] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:40] <scotty> anyway..
[02:40] <scotty> why are you all programmers anyway?
[02:40] <Hobbsee> i'm not
[02:40] <Hobbsee> just a user here
[02:40] <Hobbsee> some of them are
[02:40] <scotty> Really? I don't see many of them
[02:41] <Hobbsee> what, the programmers or the users?
[02:41] <scotty> Users
[02:41] <crimsun> there are far more users than there are programmers
[02:41] <scotty> I always meet a IT guru
[02:42] <Hobbsee> not here lol
[02:42] <Hobbsee> crimsun: you're a developer arent you?
[02:42] <crimsun> Hobbsee: yes, but I'm also a user.
[02:42] <Hobbsee> what do you develop?
[02:42] <Hobbsee> well, of course lol
[02:42] <Hobbsee> i'm curious now
[02:43] <crimsun> I work with Globus and CONDOR.
[02:43] <crimsun> for *buntu I do "random sound stuff"
[02:43] <Hobbsee> nice
[02:43] <Hobbsee> hehe...random sound stuff...i like that idea
[02:44] <scotty> sounds almost like porn
[02:44] <scotty> *gets head out of gutter*
[02:44] <crimsun> ...not gonna ask about that one
[02:45] <Hobbsee> i dont think you should crimsun...
[02:45] <Hobbsee> i dont think i will either
[02:45] <scotty> hehe. I'm full of many a story :-)
[02:45] <scotty> I apologize if thats not your rumor route
[02:45] <kkathman> crimsun: I used to be a programmer...forgotten more languages than I hope to ever know...somehow I beat that programmer addiction (except now I create website...which is a little like methadone to the heroin addict I suppose)
[02:46] <Hobbsee> hehe kkathman - html and css seem way easier than programming
[02:46] <kkathman> Hobbsee: well, html and CSS yes, php, and other scripting language...eh..about the same...like I said how many different ways can you write an "if" statement?
[02:47] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:47] <crimsun> programming is nothing more than creative problem solving. Everyone's a programmer.
[02:47] <Hobbsee> kkathman: there's an error on your webpage, i've just noticed it
[02:47] <kkathman> I agree crimsun
[02:47] <kkathman> I dont have a webpage
[02:47] <hydrogen> i disagree
[02:47] <kkathman> at least that I know of :)
[02:47] <hydrogen> I have seen some really uncreative people
[02:48] <Hobbsee> you said you built webpages though lol
[02:48] <kkathman> Yah I do
[02:49] <crimsun> hydrogen: I've met people I think could never be a computer programmer in the strictest sense, but they still have the same solution-seeking propensity.
[02:49] <crimsun> (Motivation is another thing altogether.)
[02:49] <hydrogen> yea
[02:50] <hydrogen> thats my limiting factor
[02:50] <hydrogen> well
[02:50] <hydrogen> attention span
[02:50] <hydrogen> I can solve problems, and write code
[02:50] <hydrogen> but I always get distracted
[02:50] <scotty> hehe
[02:52] <scotty> hmm
[02:52] <scotty> Anyone here a fan of cars?
[03:01] <scotty> quiet..
[03:01] <scotty> almost too quiet
[03:02] <Hobbsee> more quiet than usual
[03:02] <Hobbsee> although maybe not
[03:02] <Hobbsee> a lot of people are on both #kubuntu and #ubuntu
[03:03] <icewt> it just means that nobody has problems with kubuntu ;)
[03:03] <Hobbsee> hehe...that too
[03:04] <scotty> me 3 :-)
[03:17] <swaty> Hello, I want install Gnome, but i have Instaled Kubuntu..  can i?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> swaty: yes, you can
[03:18] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:19] <swaty> Hobbsee: Thankss!!
[03:20] <Hobbsee> no problems ;)
[03:30] <Kaiser_Sleeps> hi all. bbs
[03:30] <scotty> how do I install java now that I've downloaded it
[03:31] <scotty> I'm in root
[03:31] <scotty> but It won't make a directory
[03:31] <stbain> scotty: I actually installed my JRE via Adept
[03:31] <stbain> and used the Blackdown package
[03:32] <scotty> what would I search for? I searched java and got nothing
[03:32] <scotty> Jre maybe?
[03:33] <stbain> try
[03:33] <stbain> j2
[03:33] <Kaiser_Sleeps> scotty: you using breezy or hoary?
[03:33] <scotty> breezy
[03:34] <stbain> <-- breezy as well
[03:34] <Kaiser_Sleeps> then use the one in multiverse
[03:34] <scotty> ?
[03:35] <Kaiser_Sleeps> scotty: you can install using adept/kynaptic/apt/synaptic
[03:36] <scotty> how do I access that?
[03:36] <nalioth> !java
[03:36] <ubotu> methinks java is to install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-55315677ab8f9890825549fa2ecebdde4bc68087 and also see !javadeb
[03:36] <nalioth> ubotu: tell scotty about repos
[03:36] <jsubl2> !javadeb
[03:36] <ubotu> methinks javadeb is for sun java debs packaged for ubuntu, Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[03:37] <nalioth> scotty: if the tinyurls dont work, i have direct links
[03:37] <scotty> ok
[03:37] <tarheelcoxn> ubotu: botsnacks
[03:37] <ubotu> :)
[03:41] <scotty> thanks
[03:41] <scotty> I hope this works
[03:43] <nalioth> scotty: it has worked for hundreds of others
[03:44] <Hobbsee> indeed
[03:45] <scotty> :-)
[03:45] <scotty> Can I get limewire off of here?
[03:45] <scotty> All I need is three things. My chess, my music, and my java
[03:45] <nalioth> scotty: you can, but give gtk-gnutella  a try
[03:45] <nalioth> it is funtionally equivalent
[03:46] <nalioth> howdy Hobbsee
[03:46] <scotty> does it come with breezy?
[03:46] <crimsun> gtk-gnutella is in universe
[03:47] <scotty> here comes another...huh?
[03:47] <phiqtion> scotty: where's you're "my music" located at? in windows?
[03:47] <nalioth> ubotu: tell scotty about repos
[03:47] <nalioth> scotty: enable universe and multiverse
[03:47] <scotty> Right now my music is on my ipod
[03:48] <scotty> What is this repos?
[03:48] <nalioth> scotty: repositories are where ubuntu gets its programs from
[03:48] <Hobbsee> howdy nalioth :)
[03:48] <nalioth> when you run apt-get or adept, they d/l the programs from repositories
[03:48] <scotty> oh
[03:48] <scotty> Can I get gtk from there?
[03:49] <nalioth> scotty: enabling universe and multiverse gets you thousands and thousands of programs to choose and use
[03:49] <nalioth> !info gtk-gnutella
[03:49] <ubotu> gtk-gnutella: (shares files in a peer to peer network), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 0.95.4-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 1582 kB, Installed size: 5776 kB
[03:50] <nalioth> enable uni and multi, and you will not want for software
[03:50] <scotty> how do I enable that?
[03:52] <nalioth> read waht ubotu sent you
[03:54] <scotty> thanks. I'll wait for everything to update now
[03:54] <nalioth> scotty: do not use non ubuntu repos (no matter what the wiki says)
[03:54] <propagandhi> has anyone seen The Code
[03:55] <nalioth> there are exceptions, scotty, but if you need them, they should be explained
[03:55] <nalioth> propagandhi: long ago movie?
[03:55] <propagandhi> nalioth: i think so, about linux etc
[03:56] <propagandhi> its on this page - search for The Code http://disgruntledmass.v2.nl/media/
[03:56] <nalioth> not the movie i'm thinking of
[03:57] <propagandhi> oh ok
[03:58] <hydrogen> where do I get win32codecs package?
[03:58] <propagandhi> !restricted
[03:58] <ubotu> I heard restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats ; also see !javadebs (for sun-java debs) and !w32codecs
[03:58] <hydrogen> !w32codecs
[03:58] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. To download the debs: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[04:03] <jmg> hey guys
[04:03] <propagandhi> howdy
[04:03] <jmg> anyone know how i configure my xmodmap properly in kde? i cant use my windows key and meta isnt meta.
[04:05] <stbain> might want to ask in #kde
[04:05] <stbain> I would offer to help
[04:05] <stbain> but I threw out my Win104 keyboard in favor of an ancient IBM "clicky" keyboard
[04:05] <nalioth> ah, the loverly "clicky"s
[04:05] <nalioth> 8 pounds of love
[04:05] <Kaiser_Sleeps> lol
[04:06] <_cap> ok so I just installed kubunutu
[04:06] <_cap> I go to add another user and after setting the name and password I select next and the it crashes
[04:07] <_cap> doing it the second time for the same user name it complained of not being able to write
[04:08] <_cap> trying a different name the UserAdd panel crashed again
[04:08] <Kaiser_Sleeps> can you add a user froma terminal?
[04:08] <_cap> hhmmmm
[04:09] <_cap> well I am showing the add user process to a valunteer manager who is not a techie
[04:09] <Kaiser_Sleeps> im just wondering is the problem the KDE frontend, or the backend :|
[04:12] <Phily> Hello all I have decided to make the jump to breezy and now i', screwed
[04:13] <nalioth> Kaiser_Sleeps: most likely it is the front
[04:13] <nalioth> Phily: turn the screwdriver in the opposite direction
[04:13] <_cap> im not sure but I will do as requested to resolve it
[04:13] <Phily> lol
[04:13] <Kaiser_Sleeps> nalioth: i agree, but was still checking ;)
[04:13] <Kaiser_Sleeps> bbs
[04:14] <Phily> for some readon it wont upgrade like 114 when changin repository to breezy even at runlevel 2
[04:15] <Kaiser_Sleeps> Phily: packages?
[04:15] <Phily> Kaiser_Sleeps: Yep
[04:16] <Kaiser_Sleeps> Phily: sure you changed all the hoary's -> breezy's?
[04:16] <Phily> yep
[04:16] <Kaiser_Sleeps> lowercase B etc
[04:16] <Kaiser_Sleeps> ok :|
[04:16] <Phily> Kaiser yep
[04:16] <Kaiser_Sleeps> i have seen someone else who couldnt update, but dont know ifthey fixed it
[04:16] <Kaiser_Sleeps> have you used backports or something like that?
[04:16] <Phily> Kaiser_Sleeps: It did update some of the packages
[04:17] <Phily> Kaiser_Sleeps: no backports just hoary nornal reposotory
[04:17] <Kaiser_Sleeps> hm.
[04:17] <Phily> Kaiser_Sleeps: and Kde 3.4.2 reposotory
[04:17] <Kaiser_Sleeps> Phily: not realy sure what to sugest :|
[04:18] <_cap> how about I first upgrade all packages
[04:18] <_cap> and then try again
[04:18] <Phily> Kaiser_Sleeps: I,ve commented deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main
[04:18] <_cap> has anyone had problems with adding users?
[04:18] <Phily> before updatimg
[04:18] <Kaiser_Sleeps> Phily: good, im just wondering if its still related (becuse of installed packags)
[04:20] <Phily> Kaiser_Sleeps: I tried using synaptic to manually install the updated packeages but it is taking forever and using 100% cpu, stuck in a loop?
[04:21] <Kaiser_Sleeps> Phily: posibly yes (i would say probably, but then i sound like i know what im doing ;D)
[04:23] <Phily> Kamping_Kaiser: Now synaptic won't even close is it safe to kill the process
[04:23] <nalioth> Phily: yes you can kill it
[04:24] <_cap> ok so I did upgrade all and then commit
[04:24] <_cap> then I get a window showing some changes with the opportunity to confirm the changes but no button to select
[04:24] <_cap> what gives
[04:24] <_cap> what do I do with that?
[04:25] <_cap> oh wow
[04:25] <_cap> good thing Im a creative problem solver
[04:26] <_cap> streetch the window down so that you can see the continue button
[04:26] <m_tadeu> hi all
[04:26] <Phily> Kamping_Kaiser: I get message with lots of packages when doing apt-get distro-upgrade:0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 137 not upgraded.
[04:26] <m_tadeu> sorry
[04:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi m_tadeu
[04:27] <nalioth> Phily: sounds like a repository problem
[04:27] <Ahmuck> kde has some packages i don't need.  is there a way to remove them from the distro ?
[04:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> Phily: can you  'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'?
[04:28] <m_tadeu> how do I install .deb files from that I have in my HD using apt?
[04:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> Ahmuck: adept/apt will let you
[04:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> m_tadeu: you dont usualy. you would use dpkg
[04:28] <Phily> Kamping_Kaiser: good idea i'll try
[04:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> m_tadeu: what did you download? and did you save it in your home?
[04:29] <m_tadeu> btw...amarok1.3.5 is not on the repository, is it?
[04:29] <Phily> Kamping_Kaiser: kubuntu-desktop: Depends: cupsys but it is not going to be installed
[04:29] <nalioth> m_tadeu: check at kubuntu.org
[04:30] <nalioth> m_tadeu: 1.3.5 is there if you feel like a lab rat
[04:30] <Phily> Kamping_Kaiser: E: Broken packages
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> Phily: thats what i was expecting ;)
[04:30] <Ahmuck> how pure is kde in kubuntu ?
[04:30] <Phily> Kubuntu was so nice to me for the last year but now i'm getting worried
[04:31] <nalioth> Ahmuck: pure?
[04:31] <m_tadeu> nalioth: yep...for download the package....and its not in any repository, is it?
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> Phily: since its just one package i expect its a repository thing
[04:31] <Ahmuck> as in, linux, x, kde
[04:31] <Phily> repository is broken
[04:31] <nalioth> m_tadeu: no it is not. it's bleeding edge
[04:31] <Ahmuck> or is there such a thing as pure kde ?
[04:31] <Phily> Kamping_Kaiser: cups is a;rady installed
[04:31] <Phily> Kamping_Kaiser: already
[04:31] <nalioth> there's really no such animal as "pure" kde
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> Phily: yes, but its trying to update it
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> not clean insatll it
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> *install
[04:32] <Ahmuck> is there an animal "pure" gnome ?
[04:32] <Ahmuck> or are they like a beefalo ?
[04:32] <Phily> Kamping_Kaiser: should I remove cups
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> Phily: try a different set of repositories for main
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> Ahmuck: what?
[04:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> gnome is an acronim
[04:33] <Ahmuck> ubuntu, kubuntu ... are a mix of gnome and kde, with the empasis bieng on one or the other, but no real way to sepeate them ?
[04:34] <Phily> Kamping_Kaiser: How do I do that change the main tag?
[04:34] <Phily> Kamping_Kaiser: I have no problem foing apt-get update
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> Phily: 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> and in the sources list change this line
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> deb http://cc.ubuntu.archive.com/ubuntu main
[04:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> and drop the cc. for teh moment
[04:36] <Phily> Kamping_Kaiser: I think I screwed up my source list for the update, I apologise I missed one of the hoary entry!  Sorry
[04:36] <strike4ce> Wow that totem player works good
[04:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> Phily: lol. htats ok. :) lucky you found it
[04:37] <nalioth> Phily: well hopefully that will fix it
[04:38] <Phily> Kamping_Kaiser: I need to get 669 Mb of files this is not an upgrade but a reinstall!
[04:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> Phily: hoary -> breezy is a big upgrade
[04:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> and yes, it basicly is a reinstall
[04:38] <Phily> Kamping_Kaiser: Do I need to go to level 3 to do the upgrade or is safe to keep owrking while it downloads
[04:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> its ok to keep working normaly
[04:39] <nalioth> Phily: did you not d/l some pkgs earlier?
[04:39] <Phily> Kamping_Kaiser: Is it worth the upgrade? my system is nice and stable
[04:39] <strike4ce> Anyone got a good guide or advice on setting up 3d capability on kubuntu distro with an ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 Pro Turbo
[04:39] <nalioth> Phily: if you like the way your box runs, keep it that way
[04:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> Phily: if your not having problems, no its not
[04:39] <Phily> strike4ce: Sell it on ebay and buy an Nvidia
[04:40] <strike4ce> Phily: Dell Laptop here
[04:41] <frank23> !tell strike4ce about ati
[04:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb Hobbsee
[04:43] <m_tadeu> which one is better to use with amarok? gstreamer or xine?
[04:43] <Phily> nalioth: I need to make up my mind to upgrade to nreezy I need a pole here, 1)Yes risk to screw my system and get all bells and whistles 2)No Be conservative 2)
[04:43] <nalioth> my personal preference is gstreamer
[04:43] <Hobbsee> ty Kamping_Kaiser :)
[04:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[04:43] <m_tadeu> nalioth: for any special reason?
[04:44] <frank23> m_tadeu: only xine works for me
[04:44] <nalioth> m_tadeu: more success with it
[04:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> Phily: stay with hoary, unless your realy into bling
[04:44] <nalioth> m_tadeu: so you see, you'll have to use both and figure it out
[04:44] <nalioth> Phily: yes, functionality means a lot
[04:44] <m_tadeu> works fine with both, I guess
[04:45] <Phily> Anyone is using yakuake its amazing
[04:45] <m_tadeu> Phily: yap ;)
[04:45] <Phily> nalioth: does a breezy upgrade change all your kde settings?
[04:46] <Phily> like a SUSE upgrade would do
[04:46] <nalioth> Phily: your settings will stay the same, whether the program(s) work exactly the same is another question
[04:46] <Phily> nalioth: tks
[04:47] <Hobbsee> Phily: just make sure you backup /home - then you can replace it if you for some reason have to go back to hoary
[04:47] <Phily> nalioth: I,ll wait this winter when its get below 30 (Cel) to upgrade
[04:47] <nalioth> true wisdom from Hobbsee
[04:47] <Hobbsee> hehe...from experience
[04:47] <nalioth> what does temp have to do with upgrades?
[04:48] <Phily> Hobbsee: too lazy to backup 150 Giga (mostly legally obtainned files)
[04:48] <frank23> !tell frank about javadeb
[04:48] <Hobbsee> Phily: lol, another computer you can stick it on?
[04:48] <Phily> Hobbsee: Yep laptop can take 80 gigs
[04:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> *deg
[04:49] <Phily> Hobbsee: I really need to get a second drive
[04:49] <_cap> ok so the update seems to have gone through the 100% progess bar which is now gone but the kynaptic screen is just sitting there greyed out
[04:50] <Hobbsee> Phily: could be useful, yeah
[04:50] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: huh?  i dont understand
[04:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: i hit 100deg+ with this baby. maybe even 130
[04:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> p4 with no fan, instaling xp :$
[04:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah, hte good old days :P
[04:51] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: F or C though?
[04:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> C
[04:51] <Hobbsee> wow!
[04:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> none of this pansy F stuff :P
[04:52] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah, F is overrated
[04:52] <m_tadeu> where can I find libqt3c102-mt?
[04:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> m_tadeu: you installing skype?
[04:52] <m_tadeu> Kamping_Kaiser: lol yep
[04:52] <Hobbsee> !info libqt3c102-mt
[04:52] <nalioth> m_tadeu: enable universe and multiverse
[04:53] <Hobbsee> nalioth: according to my computer, it's in neither of them
[04:53] <logikal> dnsmasq.conf
[04:53] <logikal> where is that
[04:53] <nalioth> who's gonna be first?
[04:53] <Hobbsee> nalioth: unless i've suddenly got the wrong universe
[04:53] <nalioth> first to say "dont use debian binaries"
[04:53] <Hobbsee> ah right, you can
[04:54] <m_tadeu> nalioth: I have them already
[04:54] <_cap> uhm any input on what to do when Kynaptic almost finishes and then greys out and does nothing for 5 minutes?
[04:54] <nalioth> m_tadeu: well. they aren't healthy to use on ubuntu. be wary
[04:55] <nalioth> _cap: kill it
[04:55] <_cap> is that really safe for kynaptic
[04:55] <_cap> perhaps it is working on recompiling
[04:56] <m_tadeu> nalioth: so I should wait for some days?
[04:56] <nalioth> m_tadeu: wait for what?
[04:57] <m_tadeu> nalioth: for  libqt3c102-mt
[04:57] <nalioth> m_tadeu: join #kubuntu-offtopic please
[04:57] <m_tadeu> oki
[05:01] <frank23> Hobbsee: a way of doing this with vmware (legally, for free): install vmware-player,
[05:01] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: brave
[05:02] <Phily> anyone know how to test kde 3.5 on hoary without upgrading the whole system
[05:02] <frank23> Hobbsee: dl  the "browser" image from vmware which is actually hoary, upgrade it to dapper
[05:02] <Hobbsee> frank23: right...
[05:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: i used breezy all through dev. now im moving onto dapper :)
[05:02] <Hobbsee> could be interesting
[05:02] <Hobbsee> lol - how often would it fubar?
[05:02] <Hobbsee> Phily: you should be able to
[05:02] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5
[05:02] <ubotu> kde3.5 is, like, totally, KDE 3.5beta2 out: http://tinyurl.com/ad4x6
[05:03] <Hobbsee> !beta1
[05:03] <ubotu> Hobbsee: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:03] <Hobbsee> Phily: http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35beta1.php
[05:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: it breaks all the time ;)
[05:03] <Hobbsee> Phily: beta 1 worked with hoary, probably not beta2 though
[05:03] <phiqtion> where can i get a program that tells me all the processes currently running?
[05:03] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: fun
[05:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep
[05:04] <Phily> phiqtion: use console top
[05:04] <Phily> ''top''
[05:05] <phiqtion> but i want one that sits on the desktop
[05:05] <Hobbsee> phiqtion: make a console sit on the desktop, have the top running in it - where's teh problem lol?
[05:06] <Phily> phiqtion: use super-karamba and have a look on kdelook
[05:06] <Hobbsee> unless you're thinkign of something like superkaramba
[05:07] <nalioth> Hobbsee: it'll fubar horrible while they line out the x stuff
[05:07] <nalioth> Hobbsee: if you can handle console jockey status, it's not that bad a ride
[05:07] <phiqtion> Phily, where can i get super-karamba?
[05:08] <Hobbsee> !super-karamba
[05:08] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, Hobbsee
[05:08] <phiqtion> !super-karamba
[05:08] <Hobbsee> nalioth: fun..wonder what console jockey status is...
[05:11] <nalioth> Hobbsee: it's when you have no Xserver
[05:12] <Hobbsee> right
[05:12] <phiqtion> !super-karamba
[05:12] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, phiqtion
[05:12] <phiqtion> Phily, where can i get super-karamba?
[05:12] <Hobbsee> kde-apps.org
[05:12] <Hobbsee> or somewhere off there
[05:12] <Hobbsee> !karamba
[05:12] <ubotu> Hobbsee: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[05:12] <Hobbsee> hmm...there used to be a factoid about it
[05:13] <nalioth>       superkaramba is available in the repos
[05:13] <Hobbsee> here
[05:13] <Hobbsee> !superkaramba
[05:13] <ubotu> SuperKaramba is a KDE application that allows you to create interactive eye-candy on your desktop. Official site: http://netdragon.sourceforge.net SK Themes: http://kdelook.org
[05:13] <Phily> phiqtion: sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[05:16] <BlankC> why do they call them themes? It confuses me.
[05:17] <phiqtion> Phily: how do i use super karamba? it's not in the kubuntu menu
[05:18] <Phily> try from the console superkaramba
[05:18] <nalioth> phiqtion: k > run command > superkaramba
[05:18] <nalioth> phiqtion: but i'd visit the site above (that ubotu mentioned) and see what you can do with it
[05:18] <Phily> phiqtion: it is in the utilities menu
[05:19] <magick> getting a broken pipe with pygame install. What is this and how do I fix it?
[05:19] <magick> With breezy
[05:25] <Snifffurt> hi
[05:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[05:28] <Phily> nalioth: do u know how toupgrade to kde 3.4.3 for hoary it seems i can't use and packages from kde.org cannot find signature
[05:29] <nalioth> Phily: hang on a minute
[05:30] <Phily> nalioth: wait i think I found how
[05:30] <nalioth> Phily: does it look like this ? deb-src http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342/ hoary-updates main
[05:30] <Phily> yep im noe trying to replace it by 343
[05:30] <nalioth> Phily: just make it deb instead of deb-src
[05:31] <Phily> nalioth: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org hoary Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[05:31] <Snifffurt> at a fresh install of kubuntu my x server seems to crash on startup. I only get a gray screen, with a moovable mouse pointer on it. There is absolutely no response on any keyboard action - e.g. alt+ctrl+F1 or alt+ctrl+backspace . I assume it is related to the used ati driver ( i have a radeon 9250 based Card).
[05:31] <nalioth> Phily: you can disregard or if you read the blog there you can get the key
[05:31] <Phily> sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[05:32] <nalioth> Phily: there ya go
[05:32] <Snifffurt> how can I reconfigure xorg.config with the ATI tool, to get propper dri settings ASF
[05:32] <Snifffurt> ?
[05:33] <Snifffurt> I mean it is the ATI proprietarry pendant to xorgconf, but with special settings for DRI enabling
[05:34] <Snifffurt> or is there a way to get it running with the ubuntu xorg config tool
[05:34] <nalioth> Snifffurt: google "enable direct rendering ati site:ubuntuforums.org"
[05:34] <Snifffurt> the one used in the install routine
[05:34] <Snifffurt> nalioth: ok thx.
[05:35] <Snifffurt> nalioth: but just to get things right - DRI is not my primary task, I'd wish to have X running at least in 2D
[05:36] <nalioth> Snifffurt: then in a console, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[05:36] <nalioth> Snifffurt: using the VESA driver is almost failsafe
[05:36] <Snifffurt> nalioth: ok, I give it another try
[05:38] <Snifffurt> thx
[05:40] <kkathman> hey all :)
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi kk
[05:41] <Hobbsee> hey kkathman :)
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. im usualy kk. why did i call you that :|
[05:42] <kkathman> lol
[05:42] <kkathman> hi there =Hobbsee :)
[05:42] <kkathman> hey Kamping_Kaiser :)
[05:42] <kkathman> too many k's :)
[05:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh :|
[05:43] <kkathman> early morning for you Kamping_Kaiser ??
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: not right now, no
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> its 1pm
[05:43] <kkathman> ohh 1pm..ok
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> i was awake untill 3 am though ;)
[05:43] <nalioth> well, if it's not professor kkathman
[05:43] <Hobbsee> lol
[05:43] <kkathman> well hi there nalioth  :)
[05:44] <kkathman> maybe a better title would be "private" kkathman :)
[05:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[05:49] <strike4ce> What is the deal?  Why is it so hard to set up a freaking ati driver in debian?
[05:50] <nalioth> ati sucks (toward OSS)
[05:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> the deal is ati dont play nice
[05:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: *when* she upgrades....
[05:52] <Hobbsee> hehe...eventually
[05:52] <strike4ce> I've been trying to get this to work for at least a week.  I have followed alot of how tos everyone seems to have a different method.
[05:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> in 3 years :|
[05:52] <Hobbsee> need the money for it first
[05:52] <Hobbsee> ah yes, in 3 years
[05:52] <strike4ce> I heard the best way is to just insall the driver from ATI site itself
[05:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> in 3 years, when ati dont suck anymore ;)
[05:52] <strike4ce> install
[05:52] <strike4ce> Can anyone help me out?
[05:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> imo hte best way is to get it from apt. but thats just me
[05:53] <strike4ce> Kamping_Kaiser: after that how do you install it?
[05:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> strike4ce: afaik it 'just installs', but you might need to edit xorg.conf
[05:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> im not familiiar with at
[05:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> i
[05:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> *ATI
[05:54] <strike4ce> What is the dpkg command?
[05:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> it installs deb files
[05:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> amoung other things
[05:56] <strike4ce> yes lol but im installing the ati file to desktop how do I dpkg?
[05:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo dpkg -i ~/desktop/*ati*deb
[06:00] <kkathman> has anyone had any experience with installing the Adobe Acrobat Reader, and using that instead of the xpdf and that other sucky thing
[06:00] <kkathman> i forget the name of the one that works in k
[06:00] <nalioth> kkathman: use evince
[06:00] <nalioth> kkathman: kpdf?
[06:01] <kkathman> Pupeno: kpdf does not render everything
[06:01] <kkathman> nalioth: evince?
[06:01] <Pupeno> kkathman: but it intregrates better and it is free software.
[06:01] <nalioth> !info evince
[06:01] <ubotu> evince: (Document (postscript, pdf) viewer), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.4.0-0ubuntu4 (breezy), Packaged size: 588 kB, Installed size: 2732 kB
[06:01] <kkathman> Acrobat is free Pupeno :)
[06:01] <nalioth> kkathman: it is not F/OSS
[06:01] <kkathman> and it integrates with everything
[06:01] <Pupeno> kkathman: really ? where's the source code ?
[06:01] <kkathman> nalioth: well ok yah
[06:02] <Pupeno> kkathman: show me acrobat INSIDE konqueror.
[06:02] <kkathman> Pupeno: I mean, I dont have to pay for it :)
[06:02] <frank23> only acrobat can some things though. like the bus map I have.
[06:02] <nalioth> kkathman: you DO have to pay for it
[06:02] <kkathman> I dont user Konqueror for a web browser tho
[06:02] <kkathman> nalioth: Uhmm.. no I dont
[06:02] <kkathman> its a free download :)
[06:02] <kkathman> I've never paid for Acrobat
[06:02] <nalioth> kkathman: there are other things to pay with besides actual 'money'
[06:02] <frank23> nalioth: acrobat reader is free
[06:03] <frank23> as in beer
[06:03] <Pupeno> kkathman: I am not taking about price, that is irrelevant, I am taking about freedom. And I like the almost document centric interface I get with Konqueror (as a file manager) and all the kparts (like kpdf).
[06:03] <kkathman> ahhhhhhhhhh Im not out to change the world in a utopian way, just trying to get something that will work :)
[06:03] <kkathman> blah blah blah Pupeno
[06:03] <kkathman> argh
[06:04] <frank23> well pdf is an open format but using acrobat's reader in unavoidable. live java is open but using sun's is unavoidable
[06:04] <Pupeno> frank23: I do avoid using acrobat's reader (and sun's java).
[06:05] <frank23> Pupeno: then you can't open some documents and can't run some programs.
[06:05] <Pupeno> frank23: indeed!
[06:05] <kkathman> oh frank23 I've heard all this nonsense before...its a fun thing for some
[06:05] <kkathman> then reality hits :)
[06:06] <kkathman> hey w/b Hobbsee :)
[06:06] <Pupeno> frank23: but saying that it is unavoidable is not necesarily true, you and everyone can choose.
[06:06] <Hobbsee> ty
[06:06] <Hobbsee> got booted
[06:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> :|
[06:06] <kkathman> hey nalioth can I get evince to pop into firefox you think?
[06:06] <frank23> kkathman: the reality is that to see the bus routes in montreal, I absolutely need to use non-free software
[06:06] <nalioth> one of the OSS pdf things has a plugin
[06:06] <kkathman> ROFL :)
[06:07] <kkathman> yah kpdf is in there now, and it only reads about 1/2 the things I call up in it
[06:08] <frank23> kpdf and others are usually ok for documents, papers and such
[06:08] <kkathman> Hobbsee: boot em back :)
[06:08] <Pupeno> with the lattest version of kpdf I didn't have a single problem, but of course it the depends on the population of documents you try to open.
[06:08] <kkathman> frank23: maybe Ive been just unlucky, but its been about 50-50
[06:09] <kkathman> I figure a document is a document and a pdf file is a pdf file, but that doesnt seem to be the case
[06:09] <Pupeno> kkathman: I used documen in the broad sense (that includes pdf files).
[06:09] <frank23> kkathman: no. the bus map I talk about about is completely vector graphics. you see the layers as it draws the maps
[06:10] <kkathman> I worked with someone here the other night and we noticed that symbolic notation in pdfs works in xdpf and doesnt in kpdf for some reason
[06:10] <Hobbsee> kkathman: i wish lol
[06:10] <kkathman> hehe
[06:10] <Pupeno> kkathman: http://bugs.kde.org then. ;)
[06:10] <kkathman> yah they logged the error in fact
[06:16] <frank23> Pupeno: I was wrong... KGhostview does open my file, kpdf doesn't ;-)
[06:17] <Pupeno> frank23: interesting. I bet the kpdf developers (who are very active) would like to hear about (and get that file).
[06:18] <frank23> is kpdf a front-end to something else?
[06:18] <nalioth> Pupeno: i'm sure they keep up with each other, since they're so closely related (or they should)
[06:18] <Pupeno> frank23: I believe not.
[06:18] <kkathman> I wonder if I can get Firefox to use xpdf ?
[06:19] <nalioth> kkathman: as mentioned i believe one of the pdf things (besides adobe) has a ff plugin
[06:20] <Pupeno> nalioth: I know that kpdf was almost abandoned till recently when they did a lot of work on it and if you compare kpdf to kghostview, you'll the interface is so much better. The handling of pdf files is better than before on kpdf. So, if something works on kgohstview and it doesn't on kpdf, they'll like to hear about it.
[06:21] <frank23> Pupeno: kpdf is based on xpdf
[06:21] <kkathman> nalioth: yah so isnt there a place in FF that I can just say "use this pdf engine instead of kpdf" ??
[06:21] <kkathman> There is in Opera
[06:22] <Pupeno> frank23: ok.
[06:22] <kkathman> hmm maybe not :(
[06:25] <kkathman> Pupeno by the way, you can use acrobat in Konqueror... apt-get install mozilla-acroread :)
[06:26] <Pupeno> kkathman: I don't think it'll be as integrated as the kpdf kpart which adds its own entries and icons to the menus and toolbars.
[06:28] <kkathman> ok
[06:28] <kkathman> but you havent tried it right?
[06:28] <Pupeno> kkathman: I don't use non-free software, so, I won't.
[06:29] <kkathman> ok so you dont really know if it will or not .. add icons, etc.
[06:29] <Pupeno> kkathman: I know it will not.
[06:29] <Pupeno> kkathman: the chances of it behaving as a kpart are *very* close to 0.
[06:30] <GIgaClon> anyone here use KDevelop
[06:30] <GIgaClon> I can't seem to find the CVS features
[06:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> iirc you havo to install it seperate
[06:31] <kkathman> ok
[06:31] <kkathman> hehe
[06:31] <Pupeno> GIgaClon: you need to enable the plug in as well.
[06:32] <GIgaClon> how?
[06:33] <GIgaClon> is it in synaptic?
[06:34] <Pupeno> GIgaClon: to enable it is on the project configuration in a project by project basis, anyway, I freer cervisia to kdevelop's cvs interface (and I prefeer darcs to cvs anyway) ;)
[06:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> quick question.  how do i edit power management in kde?  like how do i set the monitor to turn off after 10 minutes of no use?
[06:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't see it in screensaver options.
[06:35] <GIgaClon> I dont see it in the plugins screen
[06:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> i know
[06:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> for now i'll just manually turn off my monitor.
[06:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay later.
[06:39] <kkathman> LOL wow I had it backwards...Firefox uses xpdf and Opera was using kfmclient...now it uses Acrobat :)  Nice :)
[06:42] <Hobbsee> BROKEN_LADDER: there's a setting in system settings for it
[06:42] <Hobbsee> BROKEN_LADDER: display, power control
[06:47] <GIgaClon> Pupeno, I don't even have that plugin option in KDevelop
[06:48] <Pupeno> GIgaClon: then you are missing some addons, plugins, kdesdk moules (probably cervisia itself).
[06:49] <GIgaClon> prolly
[06:49] <GIgaClon> I don't have KDE installed
[06:49] <GIgaClon> installed Kdevelop thru synaptic
[06:49] <GIgaClon> and installed what ever it said
[06:56] <el-stuipdo> hello
[06:57] <nalioth> howdy
[06:57] <Hobbsee> hey
[06:57] <el-stupido> hey nalioth sup
[06:57] <nalioth> same0l-same0l
[06:58] <el-stupido> ok... nalioth i got an ati card at home and the drivers that came with Kubuntu wont help... do i need sommit more?
[06:58] <nalioth> el-stupido: what do you want from your ati card?
[06:58] <el-stupido> its a 256 MB card
[06:59] <el-stupido> but it wont play any game properly
[07:00] <nalioth> you want super duper rendering and such?
[07:00] <el-stupido> nalioth: do i need to d/l some drivers?
[07:00] <el-stupido> nalioth:  yeah hehe
[07:01] <nalioth> el-stupido: ati doenst play nice with OSS
[07:01] <el-stupido> ugh
[07:02] <GIgaClon> my ATI works fine
[07:02] <el-stupido> okay.. so what do I need?
[07:03] <el-stupido> haha thats a lot of help
[07:03] <el-stupido> lol
[07:04] <nalioth> el-stupido: there are lots of ATI talk on the ubuntuforums.org
[07:04] <el-stupido> lemme go check
[07:04] <nalioth> i dont use em, so dont know much about it
[07:05] <el-stupido> k
[07:05] <el-stupido> ta tho
[07:05] <nalioth> i'd recommdn the VESA driver, but i dont game
[07:07] <Hobbsee> lunch, back later
[07:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> later amate
[07:24] <Knowerrors> Hey all, getting this message at bootup: KDESETKEYCODE Invalid argument failed to set scancode 5D to keycode 256, aa to keycode 256, ef to keycode 256" is that significant?
[07:25] <Knowerrors> also "device-mapper: dm-linear: Device lookup failed"
[07:25] <Knowerrors> repeated many times... any ideas whether these are problems, or how to fix?
[07:27] <PinkBunny> howdy, am about to install kubuntu, as far as I know it comes with beta OO2, will update be available through regular security update or something or I have to go "unstable" (however ubuntu calls it) ?
[07:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> current unstable is dapper
[07:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> and im not sure if oo.o2 will be in breezy
[07:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> or if tehy will stick with the 1.9.975 or whatever version it ships with
[07:29] <nalioth> oOo2 will most likely appear as a back port
[07:29] <PinkBunny> well if they follow debian release model they will stick with beta and just add security patches, really unfortunate timing though
[07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> PinkBunny: hence me being unsure
[07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> it would be an expection to the rule
[07:30] <PinkBunny> whats website for (k)ubuntu backports?
[07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> same as ubuntu afaik
[07:30] <nalioth> PinkBunny: there are none, atm
[07:31] <nalioth> dapper just started dev yesterday
[07:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, its awsome :D *is just downloading packagse*
[07:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> soon ill be living on the edge again
[07:32] <PinkBunny> well I guess I wont really notice difference between OO2beta and final...seeing that i only use it to open word docs someone sends me:)
[07:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[07:33] <PinkBunny> or just suck it down from "unstable"
[07:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> grr. do all the mirrors have corrupt main sources? :(
[07:35] <el-stupido> how do I find out my XFree86 version?
[07:35] <kkathman> sorry bout that...had to reboot to recognize my winbox that rebooted grrrrr
[07:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> el-stupido: what ubuntu are you runni8ng? only warty uses xfree
[07:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> hoary +breezy use xorg 6.8
[07:36] <el-stupido> KUbuntu 5.1
[07:36] <el-stupido> so XOrg 6.8 is it?
[07:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> im fairly sure
[07:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> and its 5.10
[07:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> so yes, 6.8
[07:37] <el-stupido> Kamping_Kaiser: thanx i'm downloading then ew ATI drivers
[07:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah ok
[07:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> gl
[07:37] <el-stupido> Kamping_Kaiser: thanx
[07:39] <Hobbsee> look forward to it?
[07:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh
[07:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> its a super minor difference :|
[07:40] <el-stupido> what is a *.rpm file?
[07:40] <kkathman> Yah I kinda like Koffice :)
[07:40] <Hobbsee> !rpm
[07:40] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Are you smoking crack?
[07:40] <kkathman> el-stupido: rpm files are for Red Hat I think
[07:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> el-stupido: a redhat file
[07:40] <Hobbsee> mmm...still going to download koffice at some point
[07:41] <PinkBunny> Hobbsee: but where does one find those backports?
[07:41] <kkathman> Hobbsee: worth a look..very nice...and its beginning to really hang together
[07:41] <el-stupido> kkathman: i'm downloading drivers for my ATI card (new) and its downloading an rpm file.. will that work on KUbuntu?
[07:41] <kkathman> el-stupido: nope
[07:41] <Hobbsee> PinkBunny: i dont think backports are open yet
[07:41] <el-stupido> kkathman: thanx
[07:41] <Hobbsee> kkathman: nice
[07:41] <kkathman> yep no backports for breezy quite yet
[07:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubotu: RPM is the Redhat Package Management file. Very similar to Debians DEB files, but require alien to install. ask me about !alien
[07:41] <ubotu> Kamping_Kaiser: okay
[07:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> !rpm
[07:42] <ubotu> rumour has it, rpm is the Redhat Package Management file.  Their serious about that driver!!
[07:47] <kkathman> whew
[07:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> they need room for all the dark spirits :|
[07:48] <kkathman> ok so Hobbsee what game did we decide I needed to get last week?
[07:48] <kkathman> Freeciv?
[07:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> can someone tell me how to get to display--> power control?
[07:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> wooot freeciv
[07:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> is it in the kcontrol menu?
[07:49] <pbw> yes
[07:49] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: is that an apt-get ??
[07:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[07:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> ack.
[07:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> where
[07:49] <el-stupido> this is so frustrating
[07:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't see "display" anywhere.
[07:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman:  its in universe
[07:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> el-stupido isn't it always.
[07:50] <Hobbsee> kkathman: um...i dont remember...freeciv sounds familiar though
[07:50] <PinkBunny> BROKEN: control ceter > peripherals > display ?
[07:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh..peripherals!
[07:50] <pbw> run command kcontrol, and power control is first level. display is peripheral
[07:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> found it
[07:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> my display is a peripheral?
[07:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> pfft
[07:50] <kkathman> yah thats it....has sound files..but I dont have sound...guess I'll live
[07:50] <Hobbsee> kkathman: why dont you have sound?
[07:51] <PinkBunny> unless its stuck inside your computer case it is ;)
[07:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's the difference between standby/suspend/power off?
[07:51] <Hobbsee> which would then require yoru head to be inside the computer case to see it, which could be interesting
[07:51] <kkathman> Hobbsee: cuz all I have is sound on the Mobo..and it frankly sucks...plus all my sound system is on my Winbox where I use it as a workstation
[07:51] <Hobbsee> :(
[07:52] <kkathman> hmmm now I wonder how I launch freeciv?
[07:52] <Hobbsee> run command?
[07:52] <kkathman> aha! its on the menu :)
[07:53] <kkathman> now thats kewl
[07:53] <Hobbsee> or the menu
[07:53] <Hobbsee> lol
[07:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[07:54] <kkathman> hmm not exactly like civ3 :)
[07:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[07:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> its got crap graphics :( thats my only issue with it
[07:55] <kkathman> yah I noticed
[07:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay, i understand what standby and power off are.  what is "suspend" on my monitor?
[07:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb aftertaf
[07:59] <Hobbsee> hi aftertaf
[08:00] <aftertaf> hi guys
[08:00] <aftertaf> + gals ;)
[08:01] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[08:06] <pbw> i made a patched ncftp package that allows remote file edit with vim (or whatever your default editor of choice is). Should i submit that patch to be included with official package, or submit the patched version to universe or whatever?
[08:06] <kkathman> hey there aftertaf  :)
[08:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> pbw: ask the motus #ubuntu-motu iirc
[08:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> they will have hte answers :)
[08:07] <crimsun> patches are best.
[08:08] <pbw> alrighty thanks.. new to (k)ubuntu. So i wasnt sure how things go with that
[08:09] <aftertaf> hi kkathman :)
[08:10] <nmorse> So, guys, what would produce an Operation Not Permitted error when loading ndiswrapper?
[08:10] <nmorse> As root?
[08:11] <nalioth> if the driver doesnt match
[08:11] <nmorse> Ndiswrapper says hardware present
[08:13] <nalioth> you may have chosen the wrong driver for it
[08:14] <nalioth> i'm not familiar with ndiswrapper ( i run powerpc hardware)
[08:20] <stbain> !w32codecs
[08:20] <ubotu> I guess w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. To download the debs: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[08:22] <kkathman> ubotu: you guess?
[08:22] <ubotu> kkathman: Are you on ritalin?
[08:22] <kkathman> ubotu: nah.. but close :)
[08:22] <ubotu> kkathman: Are you smoking crack?
[08:22] <kkathman> There ya go!
[08:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> clever bot :)
[08:23] <kkathman> process of deduction of course :)
[08:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[08:23] <kkathman> sometimes we just gotta have some fun :)
[08:24] <aftertaf> !party
[08:24] <ubotu> Not a clue, aftertaf
[08:24] <aftertaf> !disco
[08:24] <ubotu> Woo Yeah, boogie on down...... **flashing lights*** party :D
[08:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[08:24] <kkathman> lol
[08:26] <ilba7r> is there an rss feed for breezy updates and general ubuntu news?
[08:27] <nalioth> ilba7r: you should be able to find one at wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:27] <ilba7r> thanx nalioth
[08:27] <raphink> ilba7r: http://kubuntu.org/kubuntu.rss
[08:27] <kkathman> ilba7r: have you tried Kontakt?
[08:28] <kkathman> oh wait..is that right?
[08:29] <ilba7r> kkathman I am using opera under gnome
[08:29] <kkathman> yeah its Kontact
[08:29] <kkathman> thought so
[08:29] <kkathman> its already installed on your K
[08:29] <kkathman> ohh you want it inside Opera?
[08:30] <ilba7r> i do not use kontact and i got it under opera
[08:30] <ilba7r> thanx raphink
[08:30] <kkathman> ilba7r: why not look at the opera plugins then
[08:30] <ilba7r> thanx kkathman all i needed was the website
[08:30] <kkathman> okie doke
[08:33] <kkathman> Im off to bed...cyall later :)
[08:42] <dsb> anyone awake?
[08:43] <aftertaf> yep
[08:43] <eGaTS> i am :)
[08:43] <aftertaf> considering i just got up.
[08:43] <dsb> Hola
[08:43] <eGaTS> i just got kubuntu up and running last night
[08:44] <aftertaf> congrats :)
[08:44] <eGaTS> and as soon as it loaded, my power went out
[08:44] <eGaTS> and didn't come back on until just now
[08:44] <dsb> I had it running, but I bailed on it, went back to what worked for me
[08:44] <aftertaf> doh...
[08:44] <aftertaf> dsb:  how did you bail?
[08:45] <dsb> Well I was disappointed by the firefox/flash crashes
[08:45] <eGaTS> is firefox unstable in kubuntu?
[08:45] <dsb> I hope it gets better
[08:46] <aftertaf> seems ok on mine.....
[08:46] <eGaTS> that's my favorite browser
[08:46] <raphink> konqui powa!
[08:46] <dsb> My understanding is that in k/ubuntu is that all packages are binaries
[08:46] <raphink> nope dsb
[08:46] <raphink> you can get sources too
[08:47] <dsb> ok, sure
[08:47] <eGaTS> anyone have any advice for a newbie? apps to get, settings to tweak, etc.
[08:47] <dsb> but, for grandma to use
[08:47] <dsb> Im not ready to give here a go
[08:47] <nalioth> !repos
[08:47] <raphink> dsb: then most linux distros
[08:47] <ubotu> sources is, like, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[08:47] <raphink> eGaTS: what do you mean?
[08:47] <nalioth> eGaTS: enable universe and multiverse and have fun
[08:47] <raphink> like what for?
[08:47] <dsb> did that all that
[08:48] <eGaTS> i have no idea what that means :(
[08:48] <raphink> eGaTS: what kind of programs do you want?
[08:48] <dsb> and I have found similar postings to the problem, so its not isolated to me
[08:48] <dsb> its about the packaging of the binaries of firefox and flash
[08:48] <aftertaf> eGaTS:  look at te url ubotu just mentioned, do what it says...... you can add more possibilities to your kubuntu that way.
[08:48] <eGaTS> i just got thos os up and running, and i want some toys to play with
[08:48] <dsb> I've even seen the bug reports
[08:49] <eGaTS> *this
[08:49] <aftertaf> eGaTS:  toys?    do you want to install loads of things, or set sth specific up?
[08:49] <raphink> eGaTS: there are about 18000 packages available once you activate universe and multiverse
[08:49] <dsb> but dont get me wrong, I do like many aspects of it, and Im hoping for the best
[08:49] <raphink> so you've got to be more specific about the kind of prog you'd like to play with ;)
[08:49] <eGaTS> that will make it even harder for me to sort out the cool stuff
[08:50] <aftertaf> eGaTS:  its hard to just install loads of stuff and know what t do with it.... there is SO much
[08:50] <aftertaf> eGaTS:  depends on your definition of col... ;)
[08:50] <aftertaf> *cppl
[08:50] <raphink> eGaTS: no that won't, most of it is cool stuff :)
[08:50] <eGaTS> i wish someone would port trillian to *nix
[08:50] <raphink> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhh
[08:50] <dsb> play with octave, gnuplot, kile, gcc, python, ksudoku
[08:50] <aftertaf> eGaTS:  no need...........
[08:50] <raphink> trillian is a pain
[08:51] <raphink> there is much much better on *nix
[08:51] <aftertaf> eGaTS:  you have kopete, gaim, ...,...?...?...,
[08:51] <raphink> :)
[08:51] <eGaTS> they seem too "bubbly"
[08:51] <raphink> bubbly??
[08:51] <dsb> use command line
[08:51] <eGaTS> :)
[08:51] <raphink> lol
[08:51] <eGaTS> how?
[08:51] <raphink> kopete is much better than trillian imo
[08:52] <raphink> even gaim is ;)
[08:52] <eGaTS> command line IM would kick @$$
[08:52] <nalioth> eGaTS: centericq or bitlbee (and there are others)
[08:52] <pbw> naim i believe is term based
[08:52] <eGaTS> i mainly liked trillian for its event managing system
[08:52] <dsb> I did it with a ncurses and yahoo a couple years ago
[08:53] <eGaTS> i think they called it "automation" in later versions
[08:53] <raphink> eGaTS: the first thing you should do on *nix is to forget about windows apps
[08:53] <raphink> we have equivalents for them
[08:53] <eGaTS> thanks for the links though... i'll be off to explore the universe
[08:53] <dsb> except when you want to interact with the rest of the world
[08:54] <dsb> but thats not the fault of *nix community
[08:54] <raphink> dsb: how does that prevent you to interact with the rest of the world to be using equivalents?
[08:55] <raphink> kopete & gaim work great with msn, aim, icq, yahoo and many more
[08:55] <dsb> for example: the other day my moms went to a site to order some doggie thing for my sister
[08:55] <raphink> kontact allows you to share emails and more with every people in the world
[08:55] <dsb> moms was using the latest OS X
[08:55] <eGaTS> no need for a winblows argument in here
[08:55] <eGaTS> it's like beating a dead horse.
[08:55] <raphink> dsb: in konqueror, you can change the identity of your browser
[08:55] <raphink> so that most websites work fine
[08:55] <dsb> the damn site shopping cart was borked, so she called, they said it was a problem with macs
[08:55] <raphink> on some sites
[08:56] <dsb> she was using firefox
[08:56] <raphink> I have to use the Firefox or the IE6 spoofing
[08:56] <raphink> yes
[08:56] <raphink> and i'm telling you dsb that as you are on KDE, Konqueror (which is the default browser in KDE, not Firefox) allows you to use spoofing
[08:56] <raphink> to prevent these things
[08:57] <raphink> my bank website
[08:57] <raphink> won't let me connect with anything else than IE6 or Firefox
[08:57] <dsb> Im not using Konq
[08:57] <pbw> comaplining to the websites is the only way to get something done about it.. and *nod* konqueror is sexy
[08:57] <raphink> same with Gmail
[08:57] <raphink> so I use spoofing and it works fine ;)
[08:57] <dsb> I use firefox, and I use it just fine
[08:57] <raphink> good for you ;)
[08:57] <eGaTS> i think what you're calling "sexy" is what i meant by "bubbly"
[08:57] <cyne> anyone had luck scanning with old parallel port scanners ?
[08:58] <aftertaf> really raphink lol... cool
[08:58] <dsb> I did complain to the company, but they said it was a mac problem
[08:58] <raphink> I don't use firefox because what I like the most about KDE is app integration :)
[08:58] <eGaTS> sexy to me in minimalistic ;)
[08:58] <raphink> eGaTS: then use the console only
[08:58] <dsb> and that is ludicrous for them to say
[08:58] <raphink> or use fluxbox rather than KDE
[08:58] <raphink> that'll be minimalistic
[08:59] <pbw> i use pekwm as my main wm.. try that if you're looking for minimalistic and flexible
[08:59] <cyne> Kooka and XSane can't find my parallel scanner :(
[08:59] <pbw> fluxbox = bleh
[08:59] <pbw> it's like a handicapped pek
[08:59] <eGaTS> root@eGaTS:~#  <--sexy :)
[09:01] <nalioth> root@eGaTS:~#   <--dangerous
[09:02] <eGaTS> lol
[09:02] <eGaTS> i've surprisingly not had any hardware issues (yet)
[09:02] <eGaTS> that was my biggest worry
[09:04] <nalioth> aftertaf: share or else!
[09:04] <raphink> e17 is not packaged for ubuntu yet, right?
[09:05] <aftertaf> nalioth:  share???? :D
[09:05] <nalioth> raphink: not yet
[09:05] <cyne> anyone had luck getting parallel port scanners working yet?
[09:05] <aftertaf> raphink:  nope, its not yet released as 'stable'
[09:05] <nalioth> 02:02  * aftertaf does e17   <<<< share your secret!
[09:05] <aftertaf> but a E17 dev has made some ubuntu debs from cvs as of a week old.
[09:05] <aftertaf> !e17
[09:05] <raphink> aftertaf: kde 3.5 is not yet released as stable
[09:05] <raphink> yet it's available
[09:06] <aftertaf> http://www.soulmachine.net/wiki/index.php?title=Enlightenment_on_Ubuntu_5.10_%28Breezy_Badger%29
[09:06] <aftertaf> raphink:  as is e17 :) ^^^^^^^^^
[09:06] <aftertaf> it is damn fine too :)
[09:06] <nalioth> aftertaf: i've had no luck with that site or it's repos
[09:07] <aftertaf> nalioth:  its a new repository.. the old soulmachine repos has been changed.....
[09:07] <aftertaf> or, you can do it from cvs... www.get-e.org
[09:07] <nalioth> aftertaf: because, you insensitive tease! it's only for x86!
[09:07] <eGaTS> what's "backports"? should i add that one?
[09:08] <cyne> what is the default scanner device under /dev ?
[09:08] <aftertaf> nalioth:  argh....   cant you usethem at all? from sourcecode? !
[09:08] <nalioth> aftertaf: lemme check the dates on the src pkgs
[09:08] <aftertaf> hehe
[09:09] <nalioth> actually there are no source pkgs there
[09:09] <nalioth> and current e17 cvs wont compile
[09:09] <aftertaf> nope, just binaries....  but you can install it from cvs source no pbs.
[09:09] <nalioth> on x86 or ppc ubuntu breezy
[09:09] <nalioth> no '"I"" cannot
[09:09] <nalioth> i've tried compiling it in several different ways on several different machines
[09:10] <aftertaf> tell them on #e what the errors are... it 'should' just work(tm) ;)
[09:10] <aftertaf> there is even a version that can run on palms and pdas.
[09:10] <raphink> it installs 0.16
[09:10] <raphink> it won't install e17
[09:10] <raphink> though it finds it with apt-cache :s
[09:10] <aftertaf> raphink:  you need to set pin priority..
[09:11] <raphink> how?
[09:11] <aftertaf> its in the wiki....... hang on
[09:11] <aftertaf> /etc/apt/preferences
[09:11] <aftertaf> http://www.soulmachine.net/wiki/index.php?title=Enlightenment_on_Ubuntu_5.10_%28Breezy_Badger%29
[09:11] <aftertaf> raphink:  ^^^^^^see step 1
[09:11] <nalioth> aftertaf: it WONT compile, has nothing to do with binary pinning
[09:12] <nalioth> blah
[09:12] <nalioth> e is makin me crazy
[09:12] <aftertaf> nalioth:  nope thats for the priorities with e16
[09:12] <aftertaf> nalioth:  come to #e and mention your pbs....
[09:12] <raphink> found
[09:12] <aftertaf> someone on there is doing it on amd64, another says he knows ppl with PPC & e17...
[09:14] <nalioth> i have been to #e several times
[09:14] <aftertaf> nalioth:  whats the error ? is it on compile?
[09:15] <nalioth> evas will not compile
[09:15] <aftertaf> evas.... ok. on the ./configure part?
[09:16] <aftertaf> callipygous aftertaf: i got it working on an old 7200 powermac
[09:16] <aftertaf> callipygous under debian
[09:17] <nalioth> aftertaf: my itch is fixin to be scratched..
[09:17] <aftertaf> hehehe ;)
[09:17] <aftertaf> i understand dude :)
[09:17] <nalioth> soulmachine was not responding the last few days when i tried to get it on my new lappy
[09:18] <aftertaf> what did evas say when it failed to compile?
[09:20] <raphink> e17 looks like a white screen on my comp somehow
[09:20] <aftertaf> raphink:  using the debs?
[09:20] <raphink> yep
[09:20] <aftertaf> erf weird.....   tell em at #e . . .   i did it via cvs and it worked fine.
[09:21] <nalioth> aftertaf: 'c compiler cant create executables'
[09:21] <nalioth> which it damned well can ( i compile ppc binaries every day)
[09:22] <aftertaf> for both pbs... checking...
[09:23] <aftertaf> nalioth:  callipygous but i suspect it is your CFLAGS set wrongly
[09:25] <nalioth> aftertaf: i dragged a dev kickin and screaming into one of my lairs and tried all kinds of CFLAG settings
[09:31] <nalioth> aftertaf: i hate non compiling source code
[09:33] <aftertaf> erf i nderstand...
[09:33] <nalioth> nwo to figure out how to drive it
[09:34] <aftertaf> to drive it?
[09:35] <aftertaf> ill persist in asking them though... ;)
[09:45] <mornfall> bahmpf
[09:49] <aftertaf> maybe you could become an expert tester for them with PPC ? ;)
[09:50] <nalioth> aftertaf: unfortunately, you mentioned soulseek, and i went there. when the page loaded, i installed e on my new x86 ubuntu lappy
[09:50] <nalioth> the site has been non responsive for days
[09:51] <Snifffurt> hi
[09:51] <Hobbsee> hi
[09:53] <Snifffurt> I have "http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[09:53] <Snifffurt> " as my Network repository. But it seems there is no Adobe Acrobat, or flashplayer-mozilla on it. What repositorys will serve these debs?
[09:53] <Hobbsee> !info acroread
[09:53] <ubotu> acroread: (Adobe Acrobat Reader: Portable Document Format file viewer), section multiverse/text, is optional. Version: 7.0.1-0.0.ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 22263 kB, Installed size: 53192 kB
[09:53] <aftertaf> hehe nalioth :)
[09:54] <Hobbsee> Snifffurt: acroread is in multiverse, so that should be there
[09:55] <Hobbsee> Snifffurt: check http://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/faqi386/C/ch03.html to see if there's anything there of interest
[09:56] <Hobbsee> Snifffurt: http://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/faqi386/C/ch03s06.html#id3154389 in particular
[09:57] <Snifffurt> Hobbsee: ok, I will, but as is, there is no acroread ? O-|-O
[09:57] <Snifffurt> thx
[09:57] <Snifffurt> Hobbsee, but I have a amd64 kubuntu thow
[09:58] <Hobbsee> Snifffurt: there's a pdf reader called kpdf which you might find useful - it doesnt integrate with firefox, but it does open a lot faster
[09:58] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure about amd64 stuff, there might be packages, there might not
[09:59] <Snifffurt> I just want acroread for acurate visualisation of pdf files I need for graphical issues.
[09:59] <Snifffurt> IFAIK OS based pdf vievwers are fine, but not accurate in every case ?
[10:00] <Hobbsee> not sure on that one, i would expect that they're the same - isnt that the point of a pdf?
[10:00] <nalioth> Snifffurt: have you visited adobe.com for a acroread?
[10:01] <Snifffurt> nope, is there a deb package.?
[10:02] <nalioth> Snifffurt: on amd64 arch there are not a lot of "end user friendly" programs
[10:02] <nalioth> especially commercial ones
[10:03] <Snifffurt> mhh, but it should be possible to run it. I could run it on my other amd64 linux
[10:04] <Snifffurt> in theoretical way at least
[10:27] <aftertaf> so nalioth you got it working on your 'other' laptop?
[10:28] <nalioth> aftertaf: as soon as i learned soulmachine was back up, it was on in less than 2 minutes
[10:29] <aftertaf> hehe. does it work ok with the debs then?
[10:30] <nalioth> aftertaf: dunno, i uncommented the uncooperative line in my sources.list and it worked this time
[10:30] <nalioth> so i guess it does
[10:30] <nikkia> Snifffurt: i find that kpdf works fine, when it works... but with user manuals, i often just get X lines across every page because of some error
[10:30] <nalioth> nikkia: salutations!
[10:31] <nikkia> morning nalioth
[10:31] <nalioth> nothing intriguing you atm, nikkia ?
[10:31] <nikkia> intriguing ?
[10:32] <nikkia> the problem is, my boss said last night 'oh, you know that project i asked you to work on last week, that i said wasn't a 'real' rush, and you'd be best spending some time getting used to the source code and learning its function, well the guy that supports the 3rd party library we use is leaving his company on friday, it needs to be finished before then'
[10:34] <Tm_T> =)
[10:34] <aftertaf> lol, nice of your boss :/
[10:35] <nikkia> aftertaf: to be fair, he only found out yesterday too
[10:37] <aftertaf> yeah, well.... that does excuse a bit then ;)
[10:38] <nikkia> still doesn't make it 'fun'
[10:38] <aftertaf> true, seeing as you have until tomorrow...
[10:41] <nikkia> aftertaf: in reality, i can harass him to give me support after that, after all, his work email is his home email :P
[10:41] <nikkia> (some people do the silliest things)
[10:46] <aftertaf> hhe
[10:50] <LinuxCart> Hello all
[10:51] <LinuxCart> is it possible to install kubuntu from the live CD?
[10:52] <Hobbsee> no
[10:52] <Hobbsee> you need the kubuntu install cd to install kubuntu
[10:52] <LinuxCart> :(
[10:52] <LinuxCart> oh
[10:52] <Hobbsee> or the ubuntu install cd, then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:53] <LinuxCart> yes
[10:54] <LinuxCart> but is there any workaround that doesn't imply downloading a whole CD?
[10:54] <Kaiser_Games> download the dvd ;)
[10:54] <Hobbsee> lol @ Kaiser_Games
[10:54] <Hobbsee> that's even worse!
[10:54] <LinuxCart> ja
[10:54] <LinuxCart> ...
[10:55] <LinuxCart> ja
[10:55] <LinuxCart> :|
[10:55] <aftertaf> or better.... you have both possibilities then...
[10:55] <LinuxCart> what are them?
[10:55] <aftertaf> LinuxCart:  or you can doanload the debian netinstaller cd and change your sources to breezy before updating.
[10:55] <LinuxCart> ahh
[10:56] <LinuxCart> that sounds better
[10:56] <LinuxCart> well don't worry
[10:56] <LinuxCart> I understand
[10:57] <aftertaf> :)
[10:57] <aftertaf> doesnt seem that hard t do, just never done it myself ;)
[10:57] <LinuxCart> and the other?
[10:57] <LinuxCart> ah
[10:57] <LinuxCart> sorry
[10:57] <LinuxCart> I now understand
[10:57] <aftertaf> :) s'ok
[10:58] <LinuxCart> I have some experience with debian
[10:58] <aftertaf> LinuxCart:  then youll be fine with (k)ubuntu.... its the same thing, just different
[10:59] <Kaiser_Games> hahahha
[10:59] <LinuxCart> yes
[10:59] <aftertaf> bah, its true....
[10:59] <LinuxCart> I'm suggesting a dude to install it
[11:00] <oatis> would vmware work w/ the amd 64 release?
[11:00] <LinuxCart> though he hasn't ever tried linux
[11:00] <aftertaf> LinuxCart:  its good for that type of thing too... easy enough to start with, hardcore enough to stay with
[11:00] <Snifffurt> nalioth: digging the forums I found out, that many i386 apps will run on amd64 with the ia32* libs installed... I've just got skype running this way...
[11:01] <nalioth> Snifffurt: yes in a chroot or something like that
[11:01] <Snifffurt> no
[11:01] <Snifffurt> nalioth, no chroot
[11:01] <Snifffurt> just with the ia32 libs
[11:02] <nalioth> Snifffurt: there are many ways, here in ubuntuland we hear 'chroot' all the time
[11:02] <nalioth> i dont think i've heard ia32 before
[11:02] <Snifffurt> this is called multiarch, wich is still in debian developpment. future debian versions will support this by default
[11:02] <aftertaf> :]  nice
[11:03] <aftertaf> debian is coooool
[11:03] <Snifffurt> Now I just "dpkg --force all -i"'d it
[11:03] <aftertaf> multiarch i a package?
[11:03] <aftertaf> *is.?
[11:03] <Snifffurt> nope
[11:03] <Snifffurt> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10037&highlight=acroread+amd64
[11:04] <aftertaf> k, cool ;)
[11:04] <nalioth> Snifffurt: safer to have apt compile it from debian source repos
[11:04] <Snifffurt> the 2nd posting from the bottom is the important one
[11:05] <Snifffurt> nalioth, probbably
[11:05] <Snifffurt> nalioth, but I think there's no way arround skype for example
[11:05] <Snifffurt> or macromedia flash player
[11:05] <nalioth> not commercial things, no
[11:06] <Snifffurt> nalioth, well, I would use non commercial variants... but to be honest... are there propper SVG authoring tools arround jet? are there Propper browser plugins arround jet?
[11:07] <nalioth> inkscape is svg
[11:07] <Snifffurt> but not authoring
[11:07] <Snifffurt> it is a vector graphic prog wich uses svg
[11:07] <nalioth> inkscape creates svg
[11:07] <Snifffurt> but this is not authoring
[11:08] <Snifffurt> svg would/could have the same capabillities as flash
[11:08] <nalioth> Snifffurt: vo kommen sie?
[11:08] <_rik> !w32codecs
[11:08] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. To download the debs: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[11:08] <Snifffurt> from switzerland
[11:09] <nalioth> Snifffurt: thought .ch was familaer
[11:09] <Snifffurt> familiaer?
[11:10] <nalioth> familiar
[11:10] <Snifffurt> ah, I thought you've maybe meant familr
[11:10] <Snifffurt> thats why ;)
[11:10] <aftertaf> http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2004/01/msg00035.html <-- multiarch proposition.
[11:11] <nalioth> nein, ich spreche eine bischen deutsch
[11:11] <Snifffurt> :)
[11:12] <Snifffurt> I guess your from ZA
[11:13] <Snifffurt> dunno thow
[11:13] <nalioth> mich? ich bin aus Texas
[11:13] <Snifffurt> ah so
[11:13] <Snifffurt> lol
[11:13] <nalioth> i'm well travelled for a Texas boy
[11:13] <l0rd> hey, es wird deutsch gesprochen...:D
[11:13] <Snifffurt> hehehe
[11:13] <Snifffurt> ok knnen wir schon machen
[11:14] <l0rd> good morning, btw...;)
[11:14] <Snifffurt> ihr msst nur noch eure Umlaute hervorkramen
[11:14] <Snifffurt> hehehe
[11:14] <l0rd>
[11:14] <Snifffurt> l0rd, das gilt nicht
[11:14] <Snifffurt> l0rd, du kommst aus Deutschland
[11:14] <Snifffurt> hehehe
[11:14] <aftertaf>  je comprends mais que dalle de ce que vous racontez l les mecs......
[11:14] <l0rd> sure...;>
[11:15] <Hobbsee> ich vergesse alle meine Deutsch
[11:15] <Hobbsee> *vergessen
[11:15] <nalioth> mich auch
[11:15] <nalioth> lol
[11:16] <Snifffurt> Jai oublier tout ma franais
[11:17] <nalioth> room full of multilinguals here
[11:18] <Hobbsee> lol
[11:18] <Hobbsee> only cos they forced us to learn some german thru school
[11:18] <aftertaf> hehe. true.
[11:19] <aftertaf>  forgot like alllll my german though, only did 2 years and was no good.
[11:19] <nalioth> i learned all my languages voluntarily
[11:20] <Hobbsee> ours was around 4 years...still wasnt very useful
[11:20] <Snifffurt> I've learnd all my languages in practice. Not at scool
[11:20] <l0rd> looks like there are ppl from around the world in this chan...
[11:20] <Hobbsee> we learned useless stuff like how to say "saltmine" - i mean, how does one use that in regular conversation????
[11:20] <Hobbsee> there are
[11:20] <raphink> school sux to teach languages
[11:20] <Snifffurt> French, this was the one I only learnt at school, and I can hardly build a scentence
[11:21] <raphink> I'm happy I can speak french fluently ;)
[11:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i set the gmail-notifier to start up when i log in?
[11:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> it doesn't respect sessioning.
[11:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> somehow.
[11:22] <Hobbsee> BROKEN_LADDER: create a symlink to it in ~/.kde/Autostart
[11:22] <nikkia> Hobbsee: knowing how to say 'saltmine' is probably useful in russian :P
[11:22] <Hobbsee> nikkia: why in russian?
[11:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> Hobbsee ahh..thanks.
[11:22] <nikkia> Hobbsee: as in 'please don't send me to the saltmines, i'll tell you everything'
[11:23] <Hobbsee> nikkia: ah right...
[11:23] <Hobbsee> no problems
[11:23] <Snifffurt> It is hard to tell if it is realy usless to learn a word you never use
[11:23] <Snifffurt> because the brain has enough capacity to store all the information
[11:23] <Snifffurt> the unnecessary as well
[11:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> sure it does.
[11:24] <nikkia> indeed, at the time i did my french oral exam, i thought it utterly pointless to know how to say 'i lost my video camera on the beach', because at that time, noone in their right mind would take a video camera to a beach, or be stupid enough to lose it
[11:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> maybe under ideal conditions where your programming hasn't been messed up by tons of bad mutations.
[11:26] <nikkia> of course, these days, 20 years later, losing a video camera on a beach is probably a routine daily occurance *shrug*
[11:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> wow, this is uber c heap. http://www.craigslist.org/eby/apa/106717598.html
[11:26] <Hobbsee> hehe, probably is
[11:26] <unstableabel> Hobbsee: you do not learn things you expect when learning a language... vocabulary is important not just for its use in a sentence
[11:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> nikkia in esperanto i think i could say that.
[11:27] <nikkia> BROKEN_LADDER: i can say it in any language... '<shout, very loudly>I LOST MY VIDEO CAMERA'
[11:27] <Hobbsee> unstableabel: that assumes that you learn enough to let you be able to speak in reasonable conversatoin at all.  Unfortunately, the way we learned it, it focused on random words, and not on how to actually hold a conversation, so we could stick the random words in
[11:27] <nikkia> golden rule, english is universal when you shout it loud enough :P
[11:27] <Hobbsee> lol @ nikkia
[11:27] <Hobbsee> yep
[11:27] <Snifffurt> lol
[11:28] <unstableabel> Hobbsee: you don't get my point ... learning words is not just to build up a repertoire of words for use in sentences. words (and word formation) have other uses, they allow your brain to create generalizations of the language without having to take a PhD in lexicology
[11:29] <nikkia> Hobbsee: there is justification for taking the 'if they don't understand, shout it' routine
[11:29] <Hobbsee> that is true
[11:29] <Hobbsee> nikkia: indeed
[11:29] <aftertaf> raphink:  toi aussi ?? ;)
[11:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> mi maltrovis mian videan kameraon sur la plag`o.
[11:29] <raphink> aftertaf: ?
[11:29] <raphink> moi aussi quoi?
[11:29] <nikkia> Hobbsee: that being, that there is a chance a passer by will overhear, realise that the person doesn't understand, speak english themselves, and offer to help :P
[11:29] <Hobbsee> lol...indeed
[11:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> esperanto is the most beautiful thing ever.
[11:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> so is the dvorak keymap.
[11:30] <Snifffurt> yea, you can draw conclusions from it and the brain gets trained
[11:30] <crimsun> function before form
[11:30] <aftertaf> raphink:  fluent frenchie ;)
[11:30] <nikkia> BROKEN_LADDER: i'm in two minds on dvorak
[11:30] <raphink> aftertaf: ben c'est ma langue maternelle d'un autre ct ;)
[11:30] <nikkia> BROKEN_LADDER: it is nice for tying written english, but utterly annoying for coding
[11:30] <nikkia> tying=typing
[11:31] <Snifffurt> BROKEN_LADDER, esperanto must be quite easy to learn. I can decript the scentence ( ok I know it), But I guess it would not be too hard do do it with an other easy scentence
[11:31] <aftertaf> raphink:  ca a tendence  aider un peu aussi ;)
[11:31] <raphink> ;)
[11:32] <raphink> j'avais repr que tu tais franais ceci dit ;)
[11:32] <raphink> avec un pseudo comme a c'est pas dur ;)
[11:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> the problem right now is, breezy messed up my x, so i can't use my third level chooser to type the accented esperanto characters.
[11:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> so i just type ` after them.
[11:33] <raphink> BROKEN_LADDER: I personally prefer ido over esperanto
[11:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[11:33] <raphink> it's easier and more logical
[11:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> ido sucks.
[11:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> no it's not
[11:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's just ugly.
[11:33] <raphink> well to me it is
[11:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> it sounds western european.
[11:33] <raphink> sure it does
[11:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't know what's easier about it.
[11:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> i hate that.
[11:33] <raphink> and I'm western european so I prefer it
[11:33] <raphink> ;)
[11:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> i like how esperanto sounds so eastern.  eastern european languages sound more sophisticated.
[11:33] <Snifffurt> raphink, so do I
[11:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> more northern.
[11:33] <raphink> it's also more logical on many points
[11:33] <raphink> like
[11:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> ido?
[11:33] <raphink> plurals in -i
[11:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> ?
[11:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> why is that logical?
[11:34] <raphink> are found in many more languages
[11:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> i think it's freakin stupid.
[11:34] <raphink> than plural in -j
[11:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> so what.
[11:34] <Snifffurt> Ok, i sugesst you to learn hungarian then :P
[11:34] <Snifffurt> hehehe
[11:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> hungarian is uralic.
[11:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> like finnish.
[11:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> and estonian.
[11:34] <Snifffurt> absolutly impossible to learn
[11:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> hungarian is more different from english, than english is from japanese.
[11:34] <Snifffurt> probbably
[11:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> no it totally is.
[11:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's not indo-european.
[11:35] <Snifffurt> but the difference is not the only hard thing about it
[11:35] <Snifffurt> it is just CCoooooooooomplicated
[11:35] <raphink> 27 declinations...
[11:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's a declination?
[11:35] <raphink> I began learning hungarian and soon gave up
[11:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> why did you even start? :)
[11:35] <Snifffurt> in german we have 4 of them
[11:35] <raphink> yes Snifffurt
[11:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> i really wish i could be dictator and force esperanto.
[11:35] <raphink> and up to 6 in slavonic languages
[11:35] <unstableabel> BROKEN_LADDER: thats stupid
[11:36] <raphink> BROKEN_LADDER: I don't think this is the idea of esperanto
[11:36] <raphink> and I'm always surprised to see such close-mind people using esperanto
[11:36] <crimsun> you guys get so offtopic in here.
[11:36] <raphink> that just kills the idea of it
[11:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> raphink i would say about ido, that the i is no more logical than the j.  it's just what you prefer.  the j (y) sound is much more intellectual sounding to me.
[11:36] <unstableabel> crimsun: :)
[11:36] <crimsun> (hint, kubuntu-offtopic)
[11:36] <Snifffurt> crimsun, guess your right
[11:36] <Snifffurt> hehehe
[11:36] <raphink> the idea of esperanto is to be easy for most people
[11:36] <raphink> and it's much easier for most europeans to use -i
[11:36] <raphink> than -j
[11:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> as dictator i would force dvorak keymap, vorbis, metric system, kelvin temperature measurements, etc.
[11:36] <raphink> which is only used in ancient greek
[11:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> all logic all the time.
[11:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> how is it easier?
[11:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm an american and i found the j to be very logical and easy.
[11:37] <nikkia> BROKEN_LADDER: you'd force dvorak on non-english speakers? that's cruel
[11:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> it just sounds like an oy when you say oj
[11:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> and j is pronounced like a j in slavic languages a lot.
[11:37] <unstableabel> aha, we have an "american" amongst us ;)
[11:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> nikkia i'd force esperanto-dvorak on esperanto speakers.
[11:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> which would be everyone.
[11:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> every man woman and child.
[11:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> uh..american?
[11:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> i hate this country.
[11:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> er..our government.
[11:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have donated 100$ at least to the impeach bush campaign.
[11:38] <unstableabel> you seem so much like it though :)
[11:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> no.  i want world peace.
[11:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> and perfection.
[11:38] <nikkia> BROKEN_LADDER: fair enough, when it happens, you'll recognise me as the woman 1 mile away on the building roof with a AW50 :P
[11:38] <unstableabel> ah yes, your kind of perfection i presume :)
[11:38] <unstableabel> nikkia: LOL
[11:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> i want to live in a world where everyone has clean yards, perfect grammar, genetic perfection to the best of our technological abilities, etc.
[11:39] <raphink> nikkia: :)
[11:39] <raphink> BROKEN_LADDER: go live on mars please
[11:39] <raphink> there you can have that
[11:39] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: so you're unique because you're just like everyone else? :-)
[11:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> raphink lol
[11:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> methinks mars will be settled by idiots.
[11:39] <raphink> then please do
[11:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> unique?
[11:39] <raphink> so you can fulfill your prophecy
[11:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> why would it be bad to fix genetic flaws?
[11:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> why would it be bad to switch to dvorak?  qwerty is obsolete.
[11:39] <raphink> dvorak is good
[11:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> we should abandon obsolete systems.
[11:40] <raphink> but it's a choice
[11:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's great.
[11:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> why should it be.
[11:40] <raphink> I tell people it's good to use dvorak
[11:40] <raphink> and I do use it
[11:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> if you are stupid and cling to obsolete technology you should be phased out.
[11:40] <crimsun> this really doesn't belong in #kubuntu at all...
[11:40] <raphink> but you don't get ideas accepted by forcing them
[11:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> nah you're right.
[11:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> then shoot them.
[11:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> just like stalin said.
[11:40] <raphink> I always *propose* people to switch to linux, dvorak and ido
[11:40] <raphink> I never force them to
[11:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> ido sucks.
[11:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> ido is stupid.
[11:40] <Snifffurt> well, the thing BROKEN_LADDER is propagating is actualli happening. I've heard that there where 10,000 Langs arround. There are 5,000 arround nowerdays and there will be less than 2,000 in the future
[11:40] <unstableabel> crimsun: :) atleast, its not about Perl-vs-Python, vi-vs-Emacs, GNOME-vs-KDE :)
[11:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's ugly.
[11:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> gnome and kde is a toss up.  i use kde.
[11:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> they both have their advantages and disadvantages.  but gnome is very immature.
[11:41] <unstableabel> Snifffurt: actually, your statistics are wrong by a huge margin, but it is true, world languages are being lost due to english
[11:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> it lacks a lot of functionality.
[11:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> nothing wrong with loosing languages.  everything will be lost some day late in our universe's time frame.
[11:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> the person above me is sawing something.
[11:42] <unstableabel> Snifffurt: it was a piece of statistics compiled by UNESCO
[11:42] <nikkia> BROKEN_LADDER: 'losing' is the word you're looking for </slashdot-grammar-nazi>
[11:42] <crimsun> ok, I "propose" we punt this discussion to -offtopic
[11:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> raphink how does ido handle plural objective?
[11:42] <l0rd> who wants 2 laugh?
[11:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just floated over there.
[11:42] <l0rd> http://www.killsometime.com/video/video.asp?ID=348
[11:42] <raphink> what do you mean by plural objective BROKEN_LADDER ?
[11:42] <crimsun> seriously, if it ain't Kubuntu, jab in #kubuntu-offtopic.
[11:43] <unstableabel> BROKEN_LADDER: well, thats a bad thing ... some say that Einstein could'nt have developed relativity if he didn't know German ... i think thats a fair view though not experimentally provable
[11:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> raphink hundo = dog, hundoj = dogs, hundon = objective case of dog, hundojn = plural objective, in esperanto.
[11:43] <raphink> unstableabel: interesting
[11:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh..in offtopic..
[11:43] <raphink> I'm convinced philosophy and sciences are linked to languages
[11:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> ??
[11:43] <kinfo> what?
[11:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's a weird thought.
[11:44] <unstableabel> crimsun: hmm, else the channel will be quiet :) a community has a lot to discuss other than Kubuntu :)
[11:44] <raphink> and wouldn't exist as they do without the languages in which they were created
[11:44] <unstableabel> raphink: me too :)
[11:44] <hussam> I noticed a problem before I left home today. I'll look more into it once I get home in 5 hours. printing does not work. When I try to access printer settings in kcontrol, I get a message saying soemthing like inistializing printer manager or something. andf it hangs there. The only ting I changed to the system in the last couple of days is adding the pppoe conenction
[11:44] <raphink> objective case is obsolete BROKEN_LADDER
[11:44] <raphink> it's given by the order of the words in the sentences
[11:44] <raphink> as in most languages
[11:44] <unstableabel> BROKEN_LADDER: its not at all weird ... your conception of language is something similiar to programming languages, as something to be used ... but there is much more to language
[11:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> raphink oh lord.
[11:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> raphink the big advantage of esperanto is that word order is virtually irrelevant in that case.
[11:44] <raphink> if the goal is to create an _easy_ language
[11:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> raphink esperanto is easier.
[11:45] <raphink> then declinations and cases are not suitable
[11:45] <hussam> how can I troubleshoot that?
[11:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> you can say things in either order.
[11:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> min amas mia hundo =  mia hundo amas min. = my dog loves me
[11:45] <crimsun> hussam: is it CUPS-related?
[11:45] <unstableabel> raphink: i agree re cases ... i don't know what declinations are though :)
[11:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> mi amas mian hundon = mian hundon amas mi = i love my dog
[11:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> raphink go to offtopic
[11:46] <hussam> crimsun: not sure I removed cups and reinstalled it but It still gave that error.
[11:46] <raphink> gtg
[11:46] <raphink> time to eat :)
[11:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> pfft
[11:46] <unstableabel> ciao raphink :)
[11:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> stulta hundino
[11:46] <raphink> ciao unstableabel
[11:46] <crimsun> hussam: would you paste the error on pastebin?
[11:46] <unstableabel> raphink: call me insanekane :)
[11:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> bonan dormon
[11:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> c`u ci povas legi c`i tion raphink ?
[11:46] <raphink> BROKEN_LADDER: mind you, not everyone lives in your country ;)
[11:47] <hussam> crimsun: I'm not home right now.
[11:47] <raphink> not even in your side of the world
[11:47] <raphink> and I'm about to have lunch
[11:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> se jes, tiam respondu al mi.
[11:47] <hussam> crimsun: not near my PC
[11:47] <raphink> I can't bear esperanto, it sounds like marsian to me ;)
[11:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> kie ci log`as?
[11:47] <raphink> impossible to pronounce and ugly
[11:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's so easy to pronounce.
[11:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> you're crazy dude.
[11:47] <raphink> for a european that is
[11:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> pfft
[11:47] <raphink> anyway
[11:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's so european.
[11:47] <insanekane> BROKEN_LADDER: ill be happy to crush your cute toy theories about language, but only after half-an-hour
[11:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[11:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> sure you will.
[11:48] <insanekane> :)
[11:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> and in #kubuntu-offtopic as well.....
[11:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> you have any idea how much i've read about the language?
[11:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> how much time i've spent studying esperanto?
[11:48] <raphink> ido was created as a common language for european countries
[11:48] <raphink> as such it is suitable that it is easy for them
[11:48] <insanekane> BROKEN_LADDER: i'm not talking abt esperanto
[11:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> esperanto has been criticized for being too european.
[11:48] <raphink> and thus close to most european languges
[11:48] <nalioth> yes, the multilingualicity has been goin on rather long
[11:48] <raphink> yes
[11:48] <insanekane> BROKEN_LADDER: im talking abt "language" per se
[11:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> please you lot, take it to off topic. its flooding here unnecesarily
[11:48] <raphink> but esperanto was created for a worldwide use
[11:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> raphink esperanto is primarily based on greek, latin, and germanic roots!
[11:48] <raphink> not ido
[11:49] <raphink> esperanto was created by a polish guy
[11:49] <hussam> crimsun: could it be because I now have two IP addresses on the same network card ( one for lan and one for pppoe)? that's the only thing I changed since I dist upgraded to breezy
[11:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> raphink exactly.
[11:49] <raphink> and it's very close to slavonic languages
[11:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> and eastern europe is where most root words came from, from latin and greek.
[11:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> raphink not really.
[11:49] <raphink> well it's not as germanic as volapuk
[11:49] <hussam> crimsun: or that doesn't affect the print server?
[11:49] <raphink> BROKEN_LADDER: you don't know what a declination is
[11:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> raphink esperanto has structural and phonetic similarities to slavic, but the word base is not slavic.
[11:49] <raphink> so I doubt you know germanic and slavic languages
[11:49] <raphink> at all
[11:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> !info debfoster
[11:49] <ubotu> debfoster: (Install only wanted Debian packages), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 2.5-4ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 164 kB
[11:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> raphink tell me what it means and i'm sure i would remember it.
[11:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> universe. crap
[11:50] <insanekane> Kamping_Kaiser: :)
[11:50] <raphink> BROKEN_LADDER: gavarish po russki ?
[11:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> insanekane: :S :)
[11:50] <raphink> BROKEN_LADDER: begin with learning languages, then you can talk about linguistic
[11:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> ?
[11:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> *mutter mutter* language blather *mutter mutter*
[11:51] <hussam> crimsun: I'll look more into it when I get home and I'll get back to you. I got to go now
[11:51] <Hobbsee> hehe Kamping_Kaiser - this channel is more off topic than the actual off topic one is
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: yeh, i know
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> its ok to be off topic, but this is stupid :|
[11:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> is ubuntu supposed to get some graphical system loading thing soon?
[11:52] <raphink> BROKEN_LADDER: when you know about 10 european languages, come and tell me about esperanto and ido
[11:52] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: yeah
[11:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> why?
[11:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> why would i need to know several languages?
[11:52] <Hobbsee> BROKEN_LADDER: graphical system loading thing?  as in, while booting up?
[11:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just knew english when i began learning esperanto, and esperanto was easy as pie.
[11:53] <Hobbsee> BROKEN_LADDER: if you're on breezy, you should already have one
[11:53] <raphink> because you're talking about whether esperanto is logical for european or not without knowing what you're talking about
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> no i don't.
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> yes i do know what i'm talking about genius.
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> hundo = germanic
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> tablo = latin
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> err..
[11:53] <raphink> great ;)
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> god i need to go to bed
[11:53] <raphink> I think so too
[11:53] <Hobbsee> can we please kill the chats about languages - there's #kubuntu-offtopic for that
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> raphink won't go there
[11:54] <raphink> yep Hobbsee
[11:54] <l0rd> bed? where are you from?
[11:54] <raphink> sorry for that
[11:54] <Hobbsee> bed's overrated
[11:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> you're saying breezy has a graphical loader?
[11:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> :| listent to Hobbsee but not me :|
[11:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> how do i set it up?
[11:54] <Hobbsee> BROKEN_LADDER: you mean the one while booting up?
[11:54] <Hobbsee> it should auto configure
[11:54] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: yes lol
[11:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> Hobbsee yeah.
[11:55] <Hobbsee> BROKEN_LADDER: it should definelty autoconfigure
[11:55] <Hobbsee> !usplash
[11:55] <ubotu> usplash is probably for your information, about Usplash : if you use a home-built kernel, required options are initramfs & framebuffer, that's all ... don't take any prerequisites used for bootsplash or patches in consideration
[11:55] <Hobbsee> say what lol?  im' sure that doesnt make much sense
[11:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> options?
[11:57] <Hobbsee> BROKEN_LADDER: check out some of these threads for more info: http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=2244571
[11:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi thoreauputic
[11:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r`
[11:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> thanks
[11:58] <Hobbsee> evening thoreauputic
[11:58] <thoreauputic> hi Kamping_Kaiser :)
[11:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[11:58] <sars42> heil!
[11:58] <thoreauputic> evening all ...
[11:59] <thoreauputic> :)
[11:59] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[12:02] <sars42> :d
[12:02] <sars42> :-s
[12:03] <rikva> can i disable usplash in breezy WITHOUT removing kubuntu-desktop?
[12:03] <Hobbsee> rikva: kubuntu-desktop is only a metapackage - it wont get rid of all of kde
[12:03] <rikva> Hobbsee: so its safe to remove it?
[12:03] <Hobbsee> yes
[12:04] <rikva> ok
[12:04] <Hobbsee> you need it again when you upgrade, i think, or it gives you less chance of error
[12:04] <Hobbsee> s
[12:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> much less chance
[12:05] <Hobbsee> i just install from cd anyway - way easier for each upgrade
[12:05] <Hobbsee>  /home on a separate partition, easy
[12:06] <nalioth> Hobbsee: you didnt just say that, did you?
[12:07] <Hobbsee> nalioth: erm...which bit...probably not though
[12:07] <nalioth> install from a cd?
[12:09] <Hobbsee> it was a comment on personal preference, particularly dealing with the trouble of having to remove things like openoffice.org, after installing breezy
[12:09] <nikkia> Hobbsee: it seems almost every debian based distro screws up the OOo packages, i dunno why
[12:10] <nalioth> Hobbsee: you are missing the beauty of apt-get
[12:10] <Hobbsee> nalioth: on the contrary - i've experienced it twice
[12:10] <nikkia> knoppix for example puts some files that shouldn't be owned by OOo in the OOo packages, so when you try to update KDE, OOo prevents it from happening because it's claiming ownership of the mime-types database
[12:10] <nalioth> and oOo is a lesson to the rule, "java sucks"
[12:10] <Hobbsee> once it worked, once it definetly didnt
[12:14] <insanekane> nalioth: Java sucks, Python kicks ass ;)
[12:14] <insanekane> nalioth: but, OOo doesnt require Java does it ?
[12:15] <manveru_> java sucks, ruby kicks ass ^^
[12:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> it does
[12:15] <Hobbsee> !start a language war
[12:15] <ubotu> Ruby is better than C#!
[12:15] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:15] <manveru_> ^^
[12:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> cant argue ubotu
[12:16] <Hobbsee> !start a language war
[12:16] <manveru_> hmm
[12:16] <manveru_> !C#
[12:16] <ubotu> manveru_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[12:16] <manveru_> uh... maybe?
[12:17] <manveru_> !java
[12:17] <ubotu> [java]  to install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-55315677ab8f9890825549fa2ecebdde4bc68087 and also see !javadeb
[12:17] <manveru_> whoever did that bot, made a good job
[12:17] <Hobbsee> that they did
[12:17] <Hobbsee> a whole heap of people made it, i recall
[12:18] <nalioth> manveru_: cafuego inflicted ubotu upon us, and we have all twisted him into our own image
[12:18] <nalioth> insanekane: and yes, oOo uses java
[12:19] <phanter> hello. To install Skype I have to force the installation, because of missing dependicies. Then everytime I update my machine, skype is removed because it is broken. How can I stop my machine from removing skype without having to tell it everytime explicitely.
[12:19] <insanekane> nalioth: yes, it does, but does it require it ? I don't think so
[12:20] <nikkia> insanekane: i believe it uses its own bundled version of java, much like how it bundles 99% of your system libs :/
[12:20] <Hobbsee> nalioth: it's still way better than having no bot
[12:20] <verden01> hey
[12:21] <insanekane> nikkia: it does ? not so sure abt that ... in Kubuntu, it uses GCJ
[12:21] <insanekane> at least afaik
[12:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> it uses gnu java, yeh
[12:21] <verden01> does anyone have kubuntu running on an AMD64?
[12:21] <nikkia> insanekane: it uses 'libjavavm.uno' here
[12:22] <insanekane> nikkia: thats a uno interface library to interface with any given JRE (well not any ....)
[12:22] <insanekane> wrapper UNO component
[12:22] <nikkia> and 'javaldx'
[12:22] <insanekane> maybe to load java UNO components ?
[12:23] <nikkia> let me put it another way, i have swriter running, and no copy of java appears in my process list, i don't even have gnu's java installed
[12:24] <verden01> hey Kamping_Kaiser do youcome from Adelaide?
[12:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> verden01: yeh, SA
[12:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> AUS
[12:25] <verden01> yeah i thought i seen a post from you to Linuxsa
[12:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> verden01: realy? lol. i only made one!
[12:25] <insanekane> nikkia: there are 2 hypothesis one can draw from that 1) OOo has built-in java vm and 2) OOo doesnt require Java (which I have read before)
[12:25] <nikkia> insanekane: looks like 2 to me
[12:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> insanekane: i think its doesn "require" java, but it only works 100% with java
[12:26] <nikkia> the 'java' page of the prefs have the option to use an installed jvm (perhaps it falls back on a bundled vm?) and no jvm defined in the list here
[12:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> like you dont "require" legs, but its easyer to walk with tehm :)
[12:26] <insanekane> nikkia: try this, in oowriter, Tools->Options, and look for the JRE tree item ... does it find a Java VM there ?
[12:26] <verden01> yeah i have seen your name here and it sorta stuck out when i got the Linuxsa email
[12:26] <Hobbsee> heh...where will you be instead?
[12:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> verden01: who are you? *scary music*
[12:26] <insanekane> Kamping_Kaiser: i think, only very limited functionality is actually implemented in Java
[12:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: tas or NZ
[12:26] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[12:27] <insanekane> Kamping_Kaiser: so far, hacking on OOo, i have yet to encounter any Java files ... probably in there somewhere though :)
[12:27] <verden01> scary music???  not me
[12:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> from mid dec to feb
[12:27] <nikkia> insanekane: tracing the soffice script, it seems to set the javavm to javadlx, which could be a fallback vm ?
[12:27] <insanekane> but, im sure that OOo Base does require Java, since it requires HSQLDB
[12:27] <nikkia> insanekane: yeah, i get all kinds of error messages trying to run OOo Base, but i care not :)
[12:27] <verden01> Kamping_Kaiser, which part of South Aussie are you from?
[12:27] <insanekane> nikkia: maybe, but i don't see a VM in the sources (maybe i havent looked hard enough :) )
[12:28] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: yeah...that probably would be while i'm there
[12:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> verden01: im in hte hills, but im not 'from' sa
[12:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: bugger. :( where do you live?
[12:28] <verden01> k
[12:28] <nikkia> insanekane: its probably hidden deep among all the copies of libpng, libjpeg, etc :P
[12:28] <insanekane> its quite stupid having to theorize about a codebase :)
[12:28] <insanekane> nikkia: hehe :)
[12:28] <verden01> i'm near Gawler
[12:28] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: sydney, i might go visit family in adelaide though
[12:28] <nikkia> insanekane: my usual response when someone asks me about those are 'that's what happens when you let sun work on something'
[12:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: not sure i can just 'drop by' syd on my way home ;)
[12:28] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:29] <insanekane> nikkia: hehe :)
[12:29] <Hobbsee> yeah, it's a little far out of your way
[12:29] <nikkia> i actually think java is ok, in places, but it has a place, and i don't think a several hundred megs office suite is in that place :P
[12:30] <verden01> Kamping_Kaiser, so u live in NSW?
[12:30] <nalioth> nikkia: and not in a powerpc linux distro where it's support is non-existant (sun)
[12:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> verden01: no, im in SA
[12:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> from Tas
[12:30] <verden01> k   i got it
[12:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[12:31] <verden01> it took a while  :-)
[12:32] <insanekane> nikkia: atleast swriter isn't written in Java .. rather in C++
[12:34] <verden01> i installed blackdown Java for AMd64 from the ubuntu howto's  so i could use Yahoo Chat with Firefox and it doesn't seem to work   any ideas?
[12:34] <Hobbsee> verden01: i'm one of the ones that live in nsw
[12:34] <verden01> cool
[12:35] <verden01> my son live at Paddington
[12:35] <Hobbsee> ah yes, fun
[12:35] <verden01> well he works near there
[12:36] <verden01> and Oxford Street is an eyeopener if you've never been there b4 :
[12:36] <nalioth> verden01: on amd64 you are probably out of luck
[12:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> verden01: what goes wrong with yahoochat?
[12:37] <verden01> it just doesn't load java
[12:37] <verden01> hang on i'll try it and see what it says
[12:38] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell - how's london?
[12:38] <verden01> when i go to load the java chat applet Firefox just crashes and closes
[12:39] <aftertaf> cool Riddell you're in london? how is blighty keeping?
[12:39] <Riddell> Hobbsee: surprisingly warm today
[12:39] <Hobbsee> ooh fun
[12:39] <Riddell> lots of people
[12:39] <Hobbsee> i'm jealous now...i want to go to london at some point
[12:40] <Riddell> and there's a stained glass window of a michelin man here
[12:40] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I'm only staying for a couple of hours
[12:40] <nalioth> Hobbsee: nothing to see there
[12:40] <aftertaf> Riddell:  yeah it aint cold in northern europe right now, is it? warm here too....
[12:40] <nalioth> Hobbsee: rains most of the time
[12:41] <Hobbsee> still, could be interesting
[12:41] <Hobbsee> yuck...rain...
[12:41] <nalioth> oh very interesting
[12:41] <aftertaf> Riddell:  where you from normally then?
[12:41] <Riddell> aftertaf: it was cold enough in Edinburgh (from I'm normally from)
[12:41] <aftertaf> oki... a riend from north ofthe border then ;)
[12:41] <aftertaf> cool....
[12:42] <nikkia> Riddell: its always cold in edinburgh, even on a  otherwise hot summer day :P
[12:42] <verden01> Riddell, does that make you a highlander or lowlander?
[12:42] <Riddell> verden01: edinburgh is lowlands
[12:43] <Hobbsee> i thought you were all in the US, not england
[12:43] <aftertaf> Hobbsee:  scotland, not england....... :P
[12:43] <aftertaf> people hve died for less ;)
[12:43] <verden01> we have some Scottish people at work and they are always on about Highlanders and Lowlanders :)
[12:43] <Hobbsee> all right, i thought that most of you were in the US, and not in other parts of other continents
[12:43] <Hobbsee> how's that?
[12:43] <verden01> its like a oneupmanship thing
[12:44] <Hobbsee> ah...i was wondering about what the highlander/lowlander thing was
[12:44] <nikkia> verden01: that's scots for you, IME :)
[12:44] <verden01> :)
[12:44] <verden01> :)
[12:45] <nalioth> Hobbsee: puh-lease. there are very few of us in the states
[12:45] <nikkia> verden01: IME, even identical twin scots have to find something to be divisive about :)
[12:45] <verden01> hahahaha
[12:45] <nalioth> Hobbsee: most of the folks in ubuntuland are from the UK or europe or oz
[12:45] <Hobbsee> nalioth: lol...first time i've seen that on the net
[12:46] <Hobbsee> seems really odd
[12:46] <Hobbsee> especially the ones from aus
[12:46] <nikkia> Hobbsee: how so?
[12:46] <verden01> i just have trouble understanding their accent
[12:46] <Hobbsee> means that it's harder to tell them that we all ride kangaroos to school, etc
[12:46] <verden01> lol
[12:46] <Hobbsee> it's the stuff that's in french or german lol
[12:47] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:47] <Hobbsee> verden01: i agree, especially over a mic
[12:47] <verden01> yeah
[12:49] <Hobbsee> hehehe
[12:49] <Hobbsee> i've had both...just not in a long while, only while still back on windows
[12:50] <nalioth> y'all would find out i'm an intelligent dolphin
[12:50] <Hobbsee> it's always interesting seeing pictures of everyone else though - they look nothing like i expect
[12:51] <verden01> i've never used a cam and don't plan to in the future although i could see there advantage if you had family overseas
[12:54] <aftertaf> Hobbsee:  totally :)
[12:54] <aftertaf> i havent got many pics, ora website to put them on.... :/
[12:54] <Hobbsee> crud.  now i've got myself into a hole, havent i
[12:54] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: there's imageshack.us or another picture hoster of choice
[12:55] <aftertaf> hehe
[12:56] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:56] <Hobbsee> show it then Kamping_Kaiser
[12:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> just a tic
[12:58] <Hobbsee> k
[01:00] <nalioth> Hobbsee has pix?
[01:00] <Hobbsee> yes
[01:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> :O
[01:01] <Hobbsee> somewhere lol
[01:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[01:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> find them tehn ;)
[01:01] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:01] <Hobbsee> i knew i'd dug myself a hole and walked into it
[01:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> sent you link to me. return the favour ;)
[01:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> the ones with least cloth :
[01:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> p
[01:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> * :P
[01:02] <Hobbsee> hah
[01:02] <nalioth> Kamping_Kaiser: are you aware of obscenity laws?
[01:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> nalioth: sort of, but dont aleways remember.
[01:02] <Hobbsee> that pic was taken in winter - so it's not likely to have the least cloth
[01:03] <nalioth> Kamping_Kaiser: sending your pix could constitute a violation
[01:03] <Tm_T> err
[01:03] <Tm_T> kids
[01:03] <Hobbsee> obscenity laws...hmmm...
[01:03] <Hobbsee> lol
[01:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:03] <aftertaf> :)
[01:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> and nalioth, links are an 'opt in' arangement ;)
[01:05] <Hobbsee> that they are
[01:10] <Hobbsee> i think Kamping_Kaiser is trying to get out of showing his pictures
[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:11] <aftertaf> go kk go....
[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> no im not :|
[01:11] <Hobbsee> then where are the links :P
[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> in PM
[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> where you sent yours ;P
[01:12] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  and yours then??? ;)
[01:12] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: i dont see yours...
[01:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: o_0
[01:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> i messaged you links
[01:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: you want to look as well eh :O'
[01:12] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: i got nothing from you...
[01:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> :|
[01:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. try 2
[01:13] <aftertaf> yeah, i like to see faces :)
[01:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> same :)
[01:14] <aftertaf> so Kamping_Kaiser ..... url?
[01:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> in PM
[01:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont tell me my PM is rooted :|
[01:15] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: PM Kamping_Kaiser's URL to me?
[01:15] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  or you are not identified...
[01:15] <aftertaf> Hobbsee:  didnt get it either.
[01:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> im not identifyed
[01:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> i was though :(
[01:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:16] <Hobbsee> probably didnt help
[01:17] <aftertaf> yeah :)
[01:17] <Hobbsee> got them
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[01:18] <Hobbsee> interesting
[01:19] <Hobbsee> very interesting
[01:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[01:20] <aftertaf> cool:)
[01:20] <nikkia> lol @ our team manager
[01:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. ?
[01:20] <nikkia> email server is down, doesn't know when it'll be back up 'i'll drop you an email when its back up'
[01:20] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:20] <aftertaf> hehe..... i will. ill copy a couple of pics tomotrrow.
[01:20] <Hobbsee> you'd better
[01:21] <aftertaf> hehe nikkia heard that before :)
[01:21] <Hobbsee> otherwise we'll get our torches and pitchforks and attack!
[01:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[01:21] <nikkia> only pic i have, is terrible, so you're not seeing it :P
[01:21] <Hobbsee> dinner, back later
[01:21] <Hobbsee> come on nikkia...
[01:21] <Hobbsee> PM it to me
[01:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[01:21] <aftertaf> nikkia:  me too.... one taken with my palm where i look ill and a bit yellow.
[01:23] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: nikkia it gives us an idea of what you look like
[01:26] <aftertaf> ok i found one taken for the factory newsletter when i got here last year
[01:26] <Hobbsee> oh good, PM it to me
[01:32] <aftertaf> i cant dcc from here, proxy crud .
[01:32] <aftertaf> whats the best image hosting, theres loads of em.   i have some pics around a meg in size....
[01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. i use my ISPs space, so idont realy know :\
[01:37] <cyne> hiya
[01:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[01:40] <aftertaf> imagehosting.us as a first chice, but its slow as hell :/
[01:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> grab a free and nasty somewhere like geocities
[01:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont know if its any faster though :|
[01:44] <aftertaf> Hobbsee:  youre away, can you get PMs?
[01:44] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: geocities should be renamed pop-up city - not that I've been there lately
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic: yeh, i agree actualy, hence nasty i suppose ;)
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> oooo. i dont have thunderbird or courier installed :$
[01:53] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: sure can
[01:53] <aftertaf> cool :)
[01:53] <thoreauputic> is the opposite of a backup a frontup ?
[01:54] <aftertaf> thoreauputic:  no, you store it again..... hence a re-store
[01:58] <Hobbsee> going to head off for a while...night all
[01:58] <aftertaf> night..
[01:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> night Hobbsee
[01:59] <Hobbsee> night :)
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> bah. flighty person. fancy going out :| when theres perfectly good irc
[01:59] <aftertaf> loool
[02:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> just think. if i didnt have bash, i would have to sit up and watch for 6 hours (now and then typing the next script)while i run some scripts. with bash i type "for i in $(\ls); do ./$i; done" and leave :)
[02:06] <iceman> toasted my sessions manager screen, i log out and it takes me to command line, how do i fix it
[02:07] <avb> try /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[02:08] <iceman> avb actualy in gnome at the moment only thing i could make run
[02:09] <avb> how you run it?
[02:09] <avb> from gdm?
[02:09] <avb> or kdm?
[02:09] <avb> or just from console too?
[02:09] <iceman> iceman@Icebox64:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[02:09] <iceman> Stopping K Display Manager: kdm not running (/var/run/kdm.pid not found).
[02:09] <iceman> Starting K Display Manager: kdm.
[02:09] <iceman> iceman@Icebox64:~$
[02:10] <iceman> did a startx to get gnome up
[02:10] <iceman> brb
[02:14] <rysiek> hello guys
[02:14] <rysiek> quick question: I have recently successfuly installed and configured ATI fglrx driver for my radeon. I suppose that the MESA libs aren't needed any more on my system?
[02:15] <rysiek> anybody?
[02:16] <aftertaf> rysiek:  probably not... check with lsmod
[02:17] <rysiek> aftertaf: no mesa in lsmod :)
[02:17] <rysiek> aftertaf: getting rid of all *mesa* debs. if that **cks up my system, i will get you ;)
[02:18] <aftertaf> hehe
[02:18] <rysiek> you can hide but you can't run :P or whatever :)
[02:18] <aftertaf> sth like tat yeah ;)
[02:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:18] <aftertaf> omg i am dieing of boredom
[02:19] <rysiek> heres something for yo:
[02:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> how the hell will i restore all my backups????
[02:19] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  why what went wrong?
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: nothing. i have ~20 gig of backups. well. the problem is i dont know how ill restore them all, maintaining my sanity at the samme time
[02:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> holey bagees
[02:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have 14000 emails sitting on my isps server waiting to be d/ld
[02:23] <iceman> where is the app's directory for xmms and the like
[02:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> what do you mean?
[02:24] <iceman> need to link shoutcast to xmms ...
[02:25] <iceman> xmms starts the crashes ... ?
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> type 'whereis xmms' in a terminal. should tell you where the binary is
[02:26] <iceman> /usr/bin/
[02:26] <iceman> crashes though
[02:32] <iceman> streamtuner ;)
[02:42] <rysiek> gtg, cu all
[02:50] <iceman> ok i get the themes from kde-look, but is there a place to install them
[02:54] <kkathman> Good morning, if anyone's around :)
[02:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> evening kkathman :)
[02:56] <Tm_T> no, we are not round
[02:57] <Tm_T> we just... are
[02:57] <kkathman> I see
[02:57] <kkathman> howdy there Kamping_Kaiser  :)
[02:58] <kkathman> was just reading about Ajax
[02:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:59] <kkathman> Tm_T: Im round :)
[02:59] <kkathman> well I think more oval really
[03:00] <kkathman> I dont feel trainglish, or rectanglish
[03:00] <kkathman> and I hear its very good to be "Well-rounded", so I'll work towards that.
[03:02] <iceman> how the hell do you install themes in kde the ones from kde-look are not *.kcsrc files
[03:02] <Tm_T> =)
[03:02] <Tm_T> they are not themes
[03:02] <Tm_T> windeco or widget style is not whole theme
[03:03] <iceman> well style .. how the hell do you install them 'where what app
[03:03] <pbw> to install a theme go kcontrol -> appearance and themes -> theme manager
[03:03] <Tm_T> err, you compile it?
[03:03] <Tm_T> and install then?
[03:03] <pbw> then click install new theme and nav to tar
[03:04] <pbw> or whatever they supply
[03:05] <Tm_T> iceman: open package and read README file?
[03:05] <iceman> all i get is system setting and no option in there for styles, just the apperance
[03:05] <pbw> run command kcontrol.. then nav where i said. i dont use system setting so i'm not sure
[03:06] <kkathman> iceman: yah someone else was complaining about that. Are the files gzipped or something?
[03:07] <kkathman> cuz sometimes there are instructions there.
[03:08] <iceman> kkathman even uuuuuunzipped there not ubuntu format ..
[03:08] <kkathman> iceman: I know its not a straightforward process...Hobbsee walked someone through it a few nights ago and I would have never though it would be that difficult
[03:10] <kkathman> iceman: try this thread, see if it helps:  http://www.kde-forum.org/post/29105/lastpost.html#post29105
[03:10] <iceman> k
[03:29] <Zambba> Is there a firewall in Kubuntu?
[03:29] <Zambba> I mean is there one which is defaultly on
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> its part of te kernel
[03:30] <Zambba> Yes I know
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can configure it with firestarter
[03:30] <Zambba> But is it set up in Kubuntu?
[03:30] <Zambba> I'm having strange network problems with some programs
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> Zambba: it should be set to accespt
[03:30] <at1as> I don't believe so
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> *accept
[03:30] <Zambba> okay
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> shit. load average of 6. never seen a load this high
[03:31] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: I think you have to apt-get firestarter
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> mind you, iv never looked while gaming ;)
[03:31] <at1as> There are multiple apps which can set up a firewall upon install...
[03:31] <rysiek> hello
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: yeh, its in universe
[03:31] <at1as> You didn't install any of them, right?
[03:31] <Zambba> my load avarage is 0.53 now
[03:31] <kkathman> iptables is another one, but I think thats installed by default