[02:23] <IrcsomeBot1> Muzaidi Othman was added by: Muzaidi Othman
[02:24] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> Hi
[02:24] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> I have a problem. After installation, kubuntu is unable to start
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/kGLrclxl/file_21850.tgs
[02:27] <_zxq9_> Muzaidi: What happens when you try to reboot?
[02:28] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> @_zxq9_, It shows unable to load kubuntu
[02:28] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> Seems like hdd are not present
[02:28] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> I had change a new sdd
[02:28] <_zxq9_> Ah. OK. This is often caused by UEFI settings.
[02:29] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> How can i change UEFI setting?
[02:29] <_zxq9_> Normally you have to go into your UEFI boot settings and tell the motherboard that it is OK to pass control to Kubuntu.
[02:29] <_zxq9_> There is a tutorial about this here: https://www.linux.com/tutorials/how-install-linux-windows-machine-uefi-secure-boot/
[02:29] <_zxq9_> There is a feature called "secure boot" in UEFI by default.
[02:30] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> Ok..i will try
[02:30] <_zxq9_> TL;DR:  It normally only has keys for Windows, so you have to go into the motherboard settings and either add grub's partition to the "trusted" group or disable secure boot.
[02:30] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> Thanks for the help
[02:30] <_zxq9_> np
[02:31] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> @_zxq9_, So i need to change this from bios?
[02:31] <_zxq9_> Yes. "BIOS" is the old system. "UEFI" is just the new thing that has replaced the old BIOS system.
[02:31] <_zxq9_> But people still often say bios becaus everyone knows the word.
[02:31] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> Ok..this is new to me..
[02:32] <_zxq9_> It catches a lot of people by surprise!
[02:32] <_zxq9_> Was actually a big controversy a few years ago when this became the new industry standard.
[02:32] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> Ok
[04:05] <balln> hello! having issues on a fresh kubuntu 18.04 installation, any help much appreciated. audio (speakers via xonar u5 external card, everything set to 100% in pulseaudio) is very quiet compared to windows. and experiencing poor fps in games and even watching fullscreen videos, with gtx1060, using recommended nvidia-driver-435.
[04:18] <valorie> balln: have you done upgrades? the LTS is on the .3 or so
[04:18]  * valorie checks
[04:18] <valorie> yep, 18.04.3
[04:21] <valorie> I don't know much about the video cards or sound stack
[04:21] <valorie> if you don't get answers here, you might try #ubuntu which is a much larger channel
[04:22] <valorie> audio and video will be the same in Kubuntu and Ubuntu
[04:23] <intr3p1d> olá
[04:26] <balln> yeah i'm on the latest
[04:26] <balln> i was also on 18.04 before without this issue
[04:28] <balln> the only thing new is the sound card
[04:28] <balln> just checked, internal card volume is much better. is there a proprietary asus xonar driver i should find?
[07:15] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:57] <nikolas> τεστ μαμα
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/s0XA6XAJ/file_21857.jpg Can someone help me. I use amd ryzen 3 and want to install Kubuntu but can't boot during liveboot
 @Zen40, You may need to add a few lines to the GRUB entry for Ryzen
 For my laptop I have to add `processor.max_cstate=5 idle=nomwait rcu_nocbs=0-7` (the 0-7 is for thread count. Replace this with your number of CPU threads. 0-3 for 4 and 0-5 for 6 and so on.)
 @Schykle, Is this Ryzen too ??
 When you boot the ISO, edit the entry by pressing `e`, and then add the appropriate arguments to the end of the line that starts with "linux" and likely ends with something like "quiet" or "splash"
 @Zen40, Yes. Ryzen 5 2500U
 Thank you, I'll try
[11:18] <tomreyn> "processor.max_cstate=5 idle=nomwait rcu_nocbs=0-7" is what you'd add to handle power state issues. needed on *some* zen 1 and 1+ (but not 2) systems to prevent sudden reboots / system instability.
[11:19] <tomreyn> bios upgrades should be attempted first of all, though, since this is not a great workaround.
[11:22] <tomreyn> Zen40: did you do a bios upgrade, yet? which kubuntu version are you trying to install there? can you get the exact mainboard and cpu (or laptop, if it is one) product number?
 I want to install Kubuntu 19.04 if I change the kernel to a newer one. Is this problem solved?
[11:25] <tomreyn> i'd rather try 19.10, since 19.04 is almost end of life
[11:25] <tomreyn> 18.04 LTS would also work
[11:26] <tomreyn> depends on the specific hardware you have there, i guess
[11:27] <tomreyn> generally you'd need to ask AMD about "is this problem solved" if what you see is what Schykle discussed
 sorry maybe I'll try downloading version 19.10 Maybe this problem has been resolved
 Thanks for the info
[11:33] <tomreyn> good luck (but i wouldn't get my hopes up too much)
[11:36] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> Mine still not work..
[11:36] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> Seems like not detect my hard drive which i install kubuntu
[11:45] <tomreyn> Muzaidi Othman: in bios, set sata mode from current setting of RAID to AHCI
[11:46] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> Its an old laptop
[11:46] <tomreyn> it's a common solution for this problem, but whether it applies depends on your mainboard
[11:47] <tomreyn> otherwise, if you can boot to a supported installer and can post    journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999    we can have a look together
[11:48] <tomreyn> if you see any error message son screen, sharing those may also help
[11:48] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/op7kOQ00/file_21859.jpg
[11:49] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> Only have ide and ahci mode
[11:49] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/2PE2V6K7/file_21860.jpg
[11:50] <tomreyn> ahci then.
[11:51] <tomreyn> oh, that's a really old one
[11:51] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/r0RT9frF/file_21861.jpg
[11:53] <tomreyn> i'm not sure what the MBA v10.0.0 PCI device is. is this the storage you installed kubuntu to?
[11:53] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> Im not sure..it should appear in ide hdd
[11:54] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> Not sure the slot is pci
[11:54] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> I just remove old hdd and put ssd
[11:55] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> 1st i boot from usb drive and install kubuntu in ssd
[11:55] <cheesymoon> Good morning
[11:55] <tomreyn> hi cheesymoon
[11:57] <tomreyn> Muzaidi: all of this sounds like what i'd done as well. you seem to have installe dthe maximum ram possible, 4 GB, which is just enough to run kubuntu, i think, and a new ssd should do this thing good. did you also do a bios upgrade?
[11:57] <cheesymoon> will lurk here for a bit
[11:57] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:58] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> @tomreyn, No..i haven done the bios upgrade
[12:01] <tomreyn> Muzaidi Othman: i guess this will be more diificult now if you have no working operating system installed (especially not windows, which is more often needed for bios upgrades on older computers)
[12:03] <tomreyn> latest bios is version 3601, released 2008/12/08.  which one you have will be shown on screen right after power up if you disable "full screen logo" or "quiet boot" on the bios
[12:04] <tomreyn> ah its also on your screenshot, you have 3401
[12:07] <tomreyn> Muzaidi Othman: after switching, at BIOS -> Main, "SATA mode" to "AHCI mode", saving, rebooting, and reentering the bios, what do you see at the boot priority screen?
[12:07] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> @tomreyn, Yes..
[12:07] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> Wait
[12:08] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/01r0tx0d/file_21862.jpg
[12:08] <tomreyn> what you posted earlier here https://irc-attachments.kde.org/r0RT9frF/file_21861.jpg - where the HDD was not properly detected - must have been a result having "SATA mode" set to "IDE" (so the very old parallel ATA mode)
[12:08] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> Still the same
[12:09] <tomreyn> hmm that's after reboot?
[12:09] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> Yes
[12:09] <tomreyn> might actually require the bios upgrade then
[12:10] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> I try to find wheter it has new
[12:10] <tomreyn> or can you change "IDE HDD" to "AHCI HDD" there?
[12:11] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> No..dont have this option
[12:11] <tomreyn> it's a windows only bios upgrade, no changelog
[12:11] <tomreyn> https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/support-product/248?b=1
[12:12] <tomreyn> well it could be this system can only boot off PATA HDDs and USB and CDROM
[12:12] <tomreyn> if you installed an SSD it's certainly SATA
[12:13] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> Is it possible it not support ssd?
[12:14] <tomreyn> we can see there it is not being detected
[12:14] <tomreyn> at least not as a device which could be booted off
[12:14] <tomreyn> it doesn't even list the SSD as a storage device there
[12:15] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> Yes
[12:15] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> I try to upgrade bios
[12:16] <tomreyn> the "PCI BEV: MBA v10.0.0" thing is most likely network boot (PXE)
[12:16] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> I see
[12:16] <tomreyn> so only PXE boot, CDROM, USB flash memory and an undeterminable IDE HDD are listed
[12:17] <tomreyn> which would make me think it can't handle it for booting off it.
[12:17] <tomreyn> so, yes, bios upgrade
[12:17] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> It also dont have function to uograde bios using usb..without load any os
[12:17] <tomreyn> if this doesn't work your only other option is to boot off usb and then have kubuntu still use the hdd
[12:18] <zxq9> Oh, Hi Muzaidi. Wow. That motherboard issue seems super annoying. A BIOS/UEFI upgrade is probably a good idea (it's a good idea in any case, usually).
[12:18] <tomreyn> there's no uefi firmware for intel core 2 duo systems ;-)
[12:19] <tomreyn> but a bios upgrade does exist
[12:19] <zxq9> Do you have the model number of the motherboard?
[12:19] <tomreyn> it is an acer travelmate 6292 laptop
[12:19] <zxq9> OK.
[12:20] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> Yes..laptop
[12:21] <tomreyn> and the bios doesn't seem to consider the newly installed ssd a device it could boot from.
[12:21] <zxq9> You were able to install Linux to the SSD, though, right?
[12:21] <zxq9> That means the motherboard *should* be able to see it.
[12:21] <tomreyn> see yes, boot from, no
[12:21] <zxq9> Right.
[12:21] <tomreyn> thats my theory anyways
[12:21] <zxq9> So SATA is supported, but we don't know enough about modes yet.
[12:22] <tomreyn> apparently so
[12:22] <zxq9> ...checking for docs...
[12:22] <zxq9> Acer is usually pretty good about this, but unfortunately not as good as motherboard makers tend to be.
[12:23] <tomreyn> even after setting sata mode to ahci (the only other option on https://irc-attachments.kde.org/op7kOQ00/file_21859.jpg ) and rebooting, the boot menu looks like this https://irc-attachments.kde.org/01r0tx0d/file_21862.jpg
[12:23] <tomreyn> if a hdd it could boot off was detected it should be listing its product name there
[12:25] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> @zxq9, Yes
[12:28] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> @tomreyn, Yes..should be 😅
[12:29] <tomreyn> well i hope the bios upgrade helps. i know it's annyoing to do that. try a windows "live cd", i.e. a PE based one, those can work, and won'T require you to fully install windows
[12:30] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> I try..and come back with the result
[12:30] <tomreyn> good luck
[12:30] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> Thanks
[12:33] <zxq9> Hm. Looks like this is actually a BIOS, not a UEFI.
[12:33] <zxq9> Make sure you don't install the Linux UEFI image (the default).
[12:33] <zxq9> The original HDD on the Travelmate 6292 *is* SATA, actually, so that shouldn't be the problem.
[12:34] <zxq9> ~2007 era.
[12:35] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/zbEsJxAr/file_21863.jpg My ssd
[12:39] <tomreyn> that's a datacenter ssd
[12:39] <tomreyn> sata3, i think
[12:40] <tomreyn> https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/93026/intel-ssd-dc-s3520-series-480gb-2-5in-sata-6gb-s-3d1-mlc.html
[12:40] <tomreyn> yes 6 Gb/s, so SATAv3.0
[12:41] <tomreyn> do you have any info on the disk that was originally installed?
[12:42] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/uVN2DYXd/file_21864.jpg
[12:42] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> Hdd..oct 2007 😆
[12:55] <tomreyn> That's a HGST (Hitachi) Travelstar 5K160
[12:55] <tomreyn> but i can't really find details on it.
[12:56] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> I try to find bios version
[12:56] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> *new
[12:56] <tomreyn> i already linked it
[12:57] <tomreyn> https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/support-product/248?b=1
[12:57] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> 👍
 I found a good dell that I want to buy. It comes also with ubuntu 18.04 preinstalled. Do you think it will be conpatible with kubuntu 19.10/20.04 with  o problems?
 No problems/ Compatible*
[13:00] <tomreyn> usually when an older ubuntu version supports it *without need for prorpietary drivers* then a newer ubuntu version will, too
[13:01] <tomreyn> that's not certain at this point, though
[13:01] <JackFrost> Heh, yeah.  It's usually eg older nvidia cards where you don't want to upgrade.
[13:01] <tomreyn> you could try to provide more info, JackFrost
[13:02] <tomreyn> i mena Franzpow, sorry
[13:02] <JackFrost> tomreyn: Well for example, the package...Ah.
[13:02] <tomreyn> sorry ;)
[13:02] <JackFrost> (I had nvidia 304, that's sadly gone now.)
 Tomreyn: I can send you the link to the pc. It has a pentium silver cpu and integrated graphics
 https://www.dell.com/it-it/shop/notebook-dell/inspiron-14-3000/spd/inspiron-14-3482-laptop/cn34817
 I don't think that I will have driver problems, its is relatively new laptop 2017-2018 maybe?
[13:17] <tomreyn> wohoo, i successfully convinced my ad blocker to let me look at this page now
 :')
[13:20] <tomreyn> the cpu launched in Q4'17
[13:20] <tomreyn> intel gpu, should normally be fine.
 Ok thanks
[13:22] <tomreyn> wireless should be ok by now, firmware was missing initially https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1484159
[13:23] <tomreyn> "DW1810" (as mentioned on dell shop) is given as a tag on this bug report, so i'm guessing that's what it is
[13:24] <tomreyn> so yes i guess it can work. maybe not the fingerprint reader
 Hello
[13:25] <tomreyn> hi Zhogkd
 Tomreyn: mmm is there a fingerprint reader?
[13:28] <tomreyn> Muzaidi Othman: I found specifications for your old Travelstar 5K160 "HTS541616J9SA00" hdd - this is SATA 1.0 (as opposed to your SSD which is SATA 3.0): https://www.manualslib.com/manual/558116/Hitachi-2-5-Inch-Travelstar-Hts541616j9at00.html?page=2#manual
 I think that dell does not have one
[13:28] <tomreyn> Franzpow: it says so on the page you linked
[13:28] <tomreyn> at least when i load it
 Oh really? That's strange I didn't read that
 Btw is the wireless bug fixed? I don't mind the fingerprint reader
[13:29] <tomreyn> " Poggiapolsi in finiture nere senza lettore di impronte digitali " is probably it, though my italian is not so good
 Wait it is written "senza lettore di impronte" means "without fingerprint reader" :P
[13:31] <tomreyn> oh :)
 Senza means without
[13:33] <tomreyn> Franzpow: we can only guess about wireless. "DW1810" (as mentioned on dell shop) is certainly a marketing name since Dell does not actually produce wireless chipsets. it does say Qualcomm there, which is a company actually producing wireless chipsets, but we can only guess on the exact chipset
[13:35] <tomreyn> i was looking at the british english localization https://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/notebook-dell/inspiron-14-3000/spd/inspiron-14-3482-laptop/cn34817  but this actually says "without", too, i just missed it
[13:40] <tomreyn> Muzaidi Othman: So chances are the laptop only supports SATA 1.0, but the SSD is SATA 3.0. Normally the SSD should then just downgrade and be compatible, whicxh essentially it does, since you could install ubuntu on it. but i guess this discrepency may explain why the bios is unable to boot off it.
[13:42] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> I see
[13:43] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> How about upgrade the bios?
[13:43] <tomreyn> i was assuming you're on it, since you said so twice
[13:43] <tomreyn> https://www.quora.com/Is-serial-ATA-3-backwards-compatible-with-serial-ATA-1
[13:44] <tomreyn> upgrading the bios can still help, it' hard to predict
[13:45] <IrcsomeBot1> <Muzaidi Othman> Ok
 Tomreyn: ok I understand. It is strange that dell sells a laptop shipped with ubuntu and no working wireless.. I must know more about this issue
[14:07] <tomreyn> Franzpow: i didn't say this was so. dell sells it with 18.04 (released in april 2018, with kernel 4.15), and the bug report i pointed you to was from august 2015 (stating the QCA9377 chipset is supported by kernel 4.4)
[14:08] <tomreyn> so IF this "DW1810" is actually QCA9377 then it's quite likely that it will just work out of the box with (k)ubuntu 18.04 and newer.
[14:09] <tomreyn> (though even then there can be different hardware revisions for QCA9377 requiring different firmware versions)
 Oh I understand
 So I should be safe
 I will search on the web deeper If anyone had problems
[14:56] <tomreyn> if you can exmaine the exact dell model number and search the web for it combined with keywords    linux ubuntu debian    this can help.
[14:57] <tomreyn> hint: "Inspiron 14 3000" is not an exact model number but a series
 @Franzpow, This is the exact model: dell inspiron 3000 cn34817
[15:06] <tomreyn> cn34817 is the shop configuration ID.
 Oh, that not also the id number of the pc? (Depending on the configuration)
[15:10] <tomreyn> i can't find this on their support area, like when you wanted to download drivers or bios updates for it, so probably not
[15:10] <tomreyn> there is a dell inspiron 3481 https://www.dell.com/support/manuals/uk/en/ukbsdt1/inspiron-14-3481-laptop/inspiron-3481-setup-and-specifications/specifications-of-inspiron-14-3481?guid=guid-7c9f07ce-626e-44ca-be3a-a1fb036413f9&lang=en-us
[15:11] <tomreyn> but if you click on CPU there you see there are still many different fittings
[15:12] <tomreyn> the wireless section looks helpful though
[15:12] <tomreyn> https://www.dell.com/support/manuals/uk/en/ukbsdt1/inspiron-14-3481-laptop/inspiron-3481-setup-and-specifications/communications?guid=guid-ce7d9f99-1b53-42aa-9c1c-2ae4546ae99b&lang=en-us
 The link says inspiron 14-3482 … https://www.dell.com/it-it/shop/notebook-dell/inspiron-14-3000/spd/inspiron-14-3482-laptop/cn34817
 I must verify what's different between 3481 and 3472
 *3482
[15:16] <tomreyn> https://www.dell.com/support/manuals/uk/en/ukbsdt1/inspiron-14-3482-laptop/inspiron-3482-setup-and-specifications/communications?guid=guid-7e01ea49-9249-4c65-b19c-e7440ade0261&lang=en-us
[15:19] <tomreyn> and so it's Qualcomm QCA9377 (DW 1810). https://developer.qualcomm.com/hardware/qca9377-x/tools
[15:25] <tomreyn> https://developer.qualcomm.com/forum/qdn-forums/hardware/qca9377/34827
[15:26] <tomreyn> no monitor mode, but i guess it should work with ath10k_pci generally
[15:28] <tomreyn> QCA9377 V1 is supported https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/kvalo/ath.git/tree/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath10k/pci.c#n63
[15:34] <tomreyn> Franzpow: there are some related bug reports on launchpad.net (1760539, 1803392, 1828742) but my overall impression is that it should generally work.
[15:34] <tomreyn> that's with 18.04.3 LTS and newer
 it's russian for me, but I'll try to understand
 is there a command, apart from neofetch, that could help me see what graphic card I have insdtalled in my pc?
[16:07] <diogenes_> Franzpow, inxi -G
[16:07] <diogenes_> also: lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A
[16:07] <diogenes_>  lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A3
 thanks diogenes


[11:59] <Juerd_> Track 01: Total bytes read/written: 548175872/548175872 (267664 sectors).
[11:59] <Juerd_> That's better.
[11:59] <CraHan> cdrecord fails when sent /dev/sr0 as the device name
[11:59] <Juerd_> (Gotta love proxies.)
[11:59] <knewt> i assume it's ok not to install ubuntu-desktop when upgrading, but just go through the dependency list for it and install just the bits i want?
[11:59] <lamont_r> Juerd_: especially the 3rd time you fetch the same file, eh?
[12:00] <Juerd_> lamont_r: 2nd, and yes.
[12:00] <ogra> Juerd_: what a line.... wow


[03:34] <osmaycruz> hellow
[03:34] <osmaycruz> im trying to display smth like this into a label
[03:35] <osmaycruz> "00:00" with a QLabel
[06:52] <dholbach> good morning
[06:54] <justCarakas> good morning dholbach
[06:59] <dholbach> hey justCarakas
[07:01] <justCarakas> does the app showdown end today at 23:59 ?
[07:03] <dholbach> no, yesterday
[07:04] <dholbach> http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown/ → Wednesday, April 9th 2014 (23:59 UTC)
[07:04] <dholbach> which links to http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20140409T2359
[07:06] <justCarakas> dholbach there where problems yesterday, https://plus.google.com/+JonoBaconProfile/posts/55Q2mXX5Zy6
[07:07] <dholbach> oh wow
[07:07] <justCarakas> dholbach so I was wondering if it was a full 24 hours
[07:07] <dholbach> I hadn't seen it
[07:07] <dholbach> keep going then
[07:07] <justCarakas> dholbach was the only place where you could find it. There was something wrong with uploading click packages
[07:08] <justCarakas> dholbach I just wanted to verify it
[07:08] <dholbach> ok... I wasn't aware of it
[07:08] <justCarakas> dholbach no problem :)
[07:31] <DanChapman> Good Morning
[08:08] <mihir> hello all, Good Mroning :)
[08:27] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Safety Pin Day! :-D
[12:25] <mihir> join #ubuntu-touch-meeting
[12:37] <mihir> popey: ping !!
[12:39] <popey> mihir: pong
[12:39] <mihir> popey: can you test this bug on device and cofnrim ?
[12:39] <mihir> bug #1302439
[12:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1302439 in Ubuntu Calendar App "Recurrence of event , event bubble is not showing up in week view." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1302439
[12:39] <mihir> confirm*
[12:39] <popey> mihir: sure
[12:43] <popey> mihir: commented on it
[12:43] <mihir> popey: thanks :)
[12:44] <mihir> popey: it is not showing on desktop so filed bug
[12:45] <mihir> but don't know may be some issues with my machne.
[12:45] <mihir> machine*
[13:51] <sergiusens> popey: bfiller https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/507/changerequest/
[13:52] <popey> sergiusens: has it passed AP? I don't have time to AP test right now, am about to walk out the door
[13:53] <sergiusens> popey: I'm assuming bfiller gave it the runs; I am in use of all my devices as well
[13:53] <popey> i mean specifically the click
[13:53] <popey> lemme test while I pack my stuff
[13:53] <sergiusens> popey: yeah, that's right; I'm assuming he did that :-)
[13:54] <sergiusens> popey: if you are in a hurry I'll find someone to run through this
[13:54] <popey> no, its okay
[13:57] <bfiller> sergiusens, popey : yes I ran the AP tests and they are ok
[14:02] <popey> bfiller: not that I don't believe you, but I don't want didrocks on my back, so I'll run the AP tests before I go.
[14:03] <bfiller> popey: sure, the more testing the better
[14:20] <popey> bfiller: sergiusens all passed, approved gallery click
[14:27] <dholbach> kyleN, popey, mhall119, dpm-afk, balloons: let me know if you do anything dev docs day related later on
[14:28] <dholbach> I'll start with the review of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal/ bugs now
[14:28] <seb128> kenvandine, I wonder if we should drop the bound hacks we have in settings and just respect the toolkit for consistency
[14:28] <kenvandine> no :)
[14:29] <kenvandine> it annoys me soooo much :)
[14:29] <kenvandine> unless we fix Qt :)
[14:29] <kenvandine> seems to me that it should be the default
[14:30] <sergiusens> popey: ty
[14:31] <seb128> kenvandine, yeah, we should fix the toolkit
[14:32] <kenvandine> seb128, the only problem i see is making it compute the available size vs. the contentHeight
[14:33] <dholbach> kyleN, would you agree that it should be "HTML5" everywhere and not "HTML 5"?
[14:33] <kenvandine> seb128, but surely we can figure it out :)
[14:33] <kenvandine> seb128, lets merge my hack for now... and i'll take a look at patching Qt
[14:33] <kenvandine> seb128, that actually sounds kind of fun :)
[14:33] <seb128> kenvandine, yeah, better to be consistent in the settings at least
[14:33] <dholbach> kyleN, I'll do a search across the page and fix it where possible then
[14:33] <kyleN> dholbach, yes
[14:34] <dholbach> cool
[14:34] <dholbach> mhall119, in bug 1285709 is that a specific feed of wordpress blog entries?
[14:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1285709 in Ubuntu App Developer site "Invalid RSS feeds for Ubuntu App Showdown" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1285709
[14:40] <mhall119> dholbach: the /showdown/feed/ is probably the WP generated feed for page comments
[14:40] <mhall119> /feed/ it likely the WP generated feed of blog posts
[14:40] <dholbach> mhall119, ok... maybe it didn't validate because of some of the Chinese characters?
[14:41] <mhall119> it looks like it doesn't validate because of some of the content of the posts
[14:41] <mhall119> which, IMO, it's really a big deal
[14:42] <dholbach> so yeah... not sure what to do about it
[14:42] <dholbach> mhall119, the main page on developer.u.c is it also updated through the WP interface?
[14:43] <mhall119> no, that's hard-coded in the theme
[14:43] <dholbach> mhall119, ok
[14:43] <mhall119> the only thing we can do about the feeds not validating is go through and fix old posts
[14:43] <mhall119> but I don't think any of the problem would actually break the feed for anybody, so I'd say very low priority or even won't fix
[14:44] <mhall119> I'm inclined to say won't fix simply because it'll always be a lower priority than other work we have, so it won't get fixed anyway if we just leave it at a low priority
[14:44] <dholbach> ok
[14:45] <dholbach> mhall119, can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/ubuntudeveloperportal/1256571/+merge/215190?
[14:45] <mhall119> or ask the bug submitter if the non-validation is actually breaking something
[14:45] <mhall119> if it's breaking a news reader, that would make it a higher priority
[14:46] <mhall119> dholbach: approved
[14:47] <mhall119> brb
[14:47] <dholbach> mhall119, will this be auto-landed from the web team?
[14:53] <dholbach> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal/+bug/1056040 looks like it's ready to land as well
[14:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1056040 in Ubuntu App Developer site "CSS broken in Chrome on HTTPS url" [High,Triaged]
[15:05] <mhall119> dholbach: no autolanding on that project, no
[15:07] <mhall119> ant left a comment after his approval on that, we need to check that it's still approved as-is
[15:08] <dholbach> ok
[15:28] <dholbach> beuno, noodles775: did we ever see problems like bug 912191 again?
[15:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 912191 in Developer registration portal "The upload process is unusably broken for large files - implement ftp/sftp uploads" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/912191
[15:33] <noodles775> dholbach: I'm not aware of any, but it certainly hasn't been fixed - it's still an upload via a browser. I'm not sure if ricardo was working on a way for clickapps to be uploaded directly via an api. I'll check with him.
[15:34] <dholbach> noodles775, on http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/apps/packaging-click-apps/ we now say 3G
[15:34] <dholbach> so I thought it's probably better now
[15:35] <noodles775> dholbach: I'm not aware of it if it is, but pindonga or matiasb may know (pindonga is on his way)
[15:37]  * matiasb looks
[15:38] <pindonga> hi dholbach .. .about that upload issue... do we know if this was attempted via the web ui or via the api ?
[15:40] <noodles775> pindonga: 15:34 < dholbach> noodles775, on http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/apps/packaging-click-apps/ we now say 3G
[15:41] <dholbach> pindonga, I'm not sure anyone uses the API already
[15:41] <pindonga> dholbach, k
[15:41] <noodles775> dholbach: Either way, we should test it on staging with large files. The click infrastructure is much better than the non-click.
[15:43] <pindonga> indeed, this requires someone looking into it (if the upload was done via the api I'd expect it to work properly for large files but we need to double check it anyway, just to make sure)
[15:43] <noodles775> pindonga: The bug was created a long time before click, so it may not be relevant. I know for click we're using an updown service, but I don't know if the request is still going via the app server or routed directly from the client to updown (I hope the latter).
[15:43] <pindonga> it should be the latter
[15:43] <noodles775> But yes, we need to test either way. Perhaps we should ask if davmor2 can hit staging with large files - he likes to break things :)
[15:44] <matiasb> noodles775, pindonga: yes, the upload form in devportal is uploading to updown directly
[15:44] <noodles775> matiasb: great
[15:44] <noodles775> james_w: Probably good to include in load testing too ^^
[15:45] <davmor2> noodles775: I'm not here honest govnor I can pass you a pyscohnauts.deb if you like
[15:47] <noodles775> davmor2: nah - this is specifically for click apps.
[15:47] <davmor2> noodles775: just change the .deb to .click :D
[15:47] <davmor2> noodles775: anyway off now for real
[15:48] <dholbach> dpm-afk, can you reply to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal/+bug/888541?
[15:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 888541 in Ubuntu App Developer site "Community page needs a link to the askubuntu FAQs" [Medium,Triaged]
[15:49] <dholbach> dpm-afk, bug 912723 too
[15:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 912723 in Ubuntu App Developer site "Create a forwarding from dev.ubuntu.com to developer.ubuntu.com" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/912723
[16:02] <dholbach> down two 61 bugs on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal/ :-)
[16:12] <qtros> popey ping
[16:14] <kenvandine> seb128, i might have a simpler hack for the bounds stuff...
[16:14] <kenvandine> seb128, instead of changing the boundsBehavior, changing interactive
[16:14] <kenvandine>             interactive: contentHeight > height ? true : false
[16:14] <kenvandine> and it looks like we can do the comparison with height instead of trying to calculate the height like we were doing
[16:19] <kenvandine> seb128, humm... ok, maybe we can't count on height that way
[16:20] <seb128> yeah, I'm not sure
[16:22] <kenvandine> changing interactive instead of the boundsBehavior does work
[16:23] <kenvandine> but it's annoying that we have to calculate the height
[17:08] <ahayzen> t1mp, ping
[17:09] <t1mp> ahayzen: hello
[17:09] <ahayzen> t1mp, quick question... the back button in the header ... is that gonna land before or after 14.04 release?
[17:09] <t1mp> ahayzen: after
[17:09] <ahayzen> t1mp, cool thanks
[17:09] <ahayzen> t1mp, is there a bug tracking it?
[17:10] <t1mp> ahayzen: yes, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1256424
[17:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1256424 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Back button in Header" [High,Confirmed]
[17:10] <ahayzen> t1mp, thanks
[17:12] <t1mp> ahayzen: did you or elopio find out a reason why the clock_app AP tests were failing with this MR? https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-swipe-delete-002/+merge/202171
[17:13] <ahayzen> t1mp, i didn't :/ it is really strange you run them all together and it fails then pick the tests that failed run them on their own and they pass :/
[17:16] <t1mp> that makes  it really difficult to debug
[17:16] <ahayzen> t1mp, yep
[17:17] <t1mp> elopio: ^do you have suggestions what we do with this? is there a way to fix the clock app AP tests?
[17:17] <ahayzen> t1mp, may have to write down which tests are failing... then put it on verbose mode and watch/record the screen when that test appears in the console lol
[17:17] <ahayzen> t1mp, the other problem is that tests that are failing changes between runs :/
[17:40] <elopio> t1mp: I haven't chance this week to continue debugging it. I'm sorry.
[17:40] <elopio> *I haven't had chance
[17:44] <dpm> kenvandine, on http://<IP_ADDRESS>/api/qml/sdk-14.04/Ubuntu.Content/ - what's the difference between ContentImportHint and ContentTransferHint? They seem to have exactly the same docs
[17:44] <kenvandine> oh... ContentImportHint doesn't exist anymore
[17:44] <kenvandine> Elleo, did that file not get removed?
[17:58] <kenvandine> Elleo, ignore that last question, mhall119 needs to manually drop it from the online docs
[17:58] <kenvandine> dpm, ^^
[18:34] <dpm> kenvandine, gotcha, thanks, yeah, I've been talking to mhall119 to update the online docs, and mhall119 is in touch with Elleo
[20:15] <daker> hi guys
[20:15] <daker> can anyone explain this :
[20:15] <daker> $ phablet-screenshot grab.png
[20:15] <daker> I: surfaceflinger detected
[20:15] <daker> I: Capturing screenshot with screencap ...
[20:16] <daker> a newly flashed phone trusty-proposed
[20:34] <pmcgowan> daker, what version of phablet-tools?
[20:35] <daker> pmcgowan: i am runing 14.04
[20:36] <pmcgowan> daker, stumps me then, sergiusens?
[20:36] <daker> pmcgowan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7232379/
[20:37] <pmcgowan> I have 1.0+14.04.20140409-0ubuntu1
[20:37] <sergiusens> daker: and do you get a screenshot?
[20:37] <sergiusens> are you running sf?
[20:37] <daker> i am it keeps running for ever
[20:38] <sergiusens> daker: hmm, surfaceflinger support is no more though
[20:38] <daker> no, i didn't change anything, a newly flashed phone(just yesterday)
[20:38] <daker> trusty-proposed
[20:38] <sergiusens> daker: with --wipe or --bootstrap?
[20:38] <daker> bootstrap
[20:39] <sergiusens> daker: a mako/nexus4?
[20:39] <daker> yep
[20:39] <sergiusens> daker:  adb shell pgrep surfaceflinger <- what's the output?
[20:39] <daker> nothing...
[20:39] <sergiusens> good :-)
[20:40] <daker> ah it works again
[20:40] <daker> phablet-screenshot grab.png
[20:40] <daker> I: Dumping fb0 ...
[20:40] <daker> 3099 KB/s (3932160 bytes in 1.238s)
[20:40] <daker> I: Done
[20:40] <sergiusens> daker: strange
[20:40] <daker> yep
[20:40] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, I remember seeing that a few weeks back
[20:40] <pmcgowan> never figured it
[20:40] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: daker I think I may know what it is
[20:41]  * pmcgowan waits with anticipation
[20:41] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: yup; if adb isn't running it breaks :-/
[20:41] <sergiusens> want to log a bug?
[20:41] <pmcgowan> sure
[20:41] <sergiusens> thanks
[20:41] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, where?
[20:41] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: phablet-tools
[20:42] <sergiusens> ubuntu-bug phablet-tools
[20:42] <pmcgowan> got it
[20:43] <daker> sergiusens: yes you are right
[20:43] <daker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7232409/
[20:43] <daker> phablet-screenshot should check if adb is running
[20:44] <daker> like phablet-network
[20:45] <rpadovani> pmcgowan, sorry for the disturb, if I remember well you wrote a library to see which icons are available on the system, right?
[20:46] <ybon> I don't understand where the "model" variable is instancied from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calendar-dev/ubuntu-calendar-app/trunk/view/head:/TimeLineBase.qml#L40
[20:46] <rpadovani> What's the name of the programm? I lost it in update from 13.10->14.04
[20:46] <pmcgowan> rpadovani, sorry wasnt me
[20:46] <daker> ybon: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calendar-dev/ubuntu-calendar-app/trunk/view/head:/TimeLineBase.qml#L28
[20:47] <rpadovani> pmcgowan, ops, wrong remeber,thanks anyway :-)
[20:47] <pmcgowan> np
[20:47] <ybon> daker: isn't that only a parameter passed to the resolveUrl when an event is clicked?
[20:48] <ybon> I've removed this parameter, and I still have the event showing in my dayview
[20:48] <ybon> so I wonder how the model.getItems() works :)
[20:51] <daker> ah i am not really sure...
[20:55] <ybon> something magical is around
[21:09] <justcarakas> anybody here willing to check my French / German translations ?
[21:13] <daker> justcarakas: translation of what ?
[21:26] <justcarakas> dakar my HTML5 app, I'm using a javascript library for that
[21:38] <ybon> popey: can you test again https://code.launchpad.net/~yohanboniface/ubuntu-calendar-app/AgendaView/+merge/212164 for the alarm problem?
[22:14] <daker> justcarakas: show me the frensh
[22:14] <daker> french*
[22:32] <justcarakas> dakar, http://pastebin.com/BvNvBpUN
[22:48] <justcarakas> ping dakar
[23:32] <justcarakas> popey can you review my app ? https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/592
[23:33] <justcarakas> or somebody else who can do it :p
[23:38] <daker> justcarakas: it' daker ;) with e that's why i miss your pings
[23:41] <justcarakas> ow crap :p
[23:41] <justcarakas> well can you still have a quick look at it ? for the appshowdown ? :p
[23:42] <justcarakas> daker, sorry that I typed your name wrong :p
[23:42] <sarnold> justcarakas: you have an extra space after 'Abfahrt'
[23:42] <sarnold> justcarakas: btw, try: d<tab> see what happens :)
[23:42] <justcarakas> oww nice, didn't know that sarnold
[23:43] <sarnold> justcarakas: there's two more strings in the de error section with trailing spaces
[23:43] <sarnold> justcarakas: .. and in somethingWentWrong, there's a space before a comma
[23:44] <daker> justcarakas: ^
[23:44] <daker> departuraAndArrivalTheSame: 'Lieux de départ et de destination sont les mêmes',
[23:44] <daker> noTime: 'Choisissez l\'heure',
[23:45] <daker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7232910/
[23:45] <justcarakas> thx daker
[23:45] <justcarakas> and sarnold
[23:46] <justcarakas> anything else daker sarnold  ?
[23:46] <sarnold> nothing here, but I'm not a native german speaker, so there is plenty I could miss :) hehe
[23:47] <daker> that's all for me(French)
[23:47] <justcarakas> thanks Ill submit it to the click store
[23:49] <justcarakas> somebody still here that can review my app ? popey ?
[23:54] <justcarakas> Anyone who can review my app here ? if not I hope it still counts if it was uploaded in time
[23:55] <daker> if it's in the store, i think it's good
[23:55] <rschroll> justcarakas: I believe so.  (But I'm not sure.)
[23:56] <justcarakas> daker: the update still needs to be approved
[23:57] <daker> yeah i think your good
[23:57] <daker> you are*
[23:57] <justcarakas> I hope so, because I've been working on going from 1 language to 4 languages for the past 8 hours (after work)


[01:12] <Guest4712> Has anyone ran into a situation where Ubuntustudio is only using one core on the CPU?
[02:03] <square> hello
[02:04] <square> is there anybody in there ?
[02:05] <square> just nod if you can hear me
[02:08]  * krytarik nods
[02:11] <square> great thanks  !
[02:14] <square> I'm trying to start using studio to do some audio recording and having some issues ... can't get the microphone to work, I'm curious about the group's most applauded sound card for recording, setups and all that.  Basically seeking any and all advice I can get.
[06:37] <delt> Hello
[06:37] <delt> how come carla doesn't find my VST plugins? :(
[06:37] <delt> they're in /usr/lib/vst, and that path is in the carla config
[06:38] <delt> oh, linux vst, .so files not w**dowz
[13:20] <rajkapur> hello . has anyone encountered bad/corrupt files writing to a USB drive on Ubuntu Studio 16.04? I am not talking about bootable installation drives , but just writing to an USB disk .
[13:29] <sakrecoer> rajkapur: not that i know of. is it happening to you on different USB-disks?
[13:30] <rajkapur> yes. i had 2 corrupt usb drives
[13:30] <rajkapur> made by different manufacturers
[13:30] <rajkapur> the copying bar status is very fast
[13:31] <rajkapur> and when i unmount it and put it on another machine the files that where copied are incomplete
[13:32] <rajkapur> and i cannot write on the usb drive,,,,  although i have the user priviledges to do so
[13:35] <OvenWerks> rajkapur: I am not a file system expert for sure... things to look for: errors in syslog is first. what file system are you using? Are the drives USB2.0 or USB3.0? are the ports USB3 or USB2?
[13:36] <OvenWerks> The thing to remember is that UbuntuSTudio is on top of the Ubuntu framework. So if you try doing your copy from command line and it still fails. You may find more help on #ubuntu than here.
[13:38] <rajkapur> k. thx
[13:38] <OvenWerks> If it works from command line but not from file manager, this is a thunar bug (I think that is unlikely)
[13:38] <OvenWerks> otherwise it is likely a kernel bug.
[13:39] <rajkapur> i didn't even know how to serch for this problem :)
[13:40] <krytarik> Hah, I'd bet hardware over kernel though.
[13:41] <OvenWerks> krytarik: possibly. There have been USB3 problems with audio devices on some intel SW.
[13:41] <OvenWerks> But to the best of my knowlage that did not affect usb drives.
[13:42] <OvenWerks> It was a latency problem rather than throughput/lost data
[13:46] <OvenWerks> I am not seeing any bugs listed with USB drives corruption.
[13:47] <rajkapur> http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=16604
[13:47] <rajkapur> "When copying files to any external USB device I find that the progress dialogue is inaccurate. In other words, when Thunar (or PCmanfm) says that copying is complete, it is actually still transferring data, which is verified by trying to unmount the device.  Needless to say, unmounting the device before transfer is complete gives me incomplete or corrupted files."
[13:50] <sakrecoer> rajkapur: that post is from 2011, whatever it was, i'm sure it has been fixed by now
[13:50] <OvenWerks> rajkapur: That makes sense.
[13:50] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: there would be no fix for that.
[13:50] <rajkapur> maybe it's fixed
[13:51] <rajkapur> now i kknow why I can copy files  so fast
[13:51] <OvenWerks> From an applications POV the copy is finished when it has sent the last byte to the OS. The OS writes it to RAM buffer and then writes from there to disk as time and other processing allows.
[13:52] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: no fix? :D what do you mean by that?
[13:52] <OvenWerks> Most OSs have done this in PCs since OS/2 in the 80s.
[13:53] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: it is not really broken.
[13:53] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: ok.. never happened to me
[13:53] <krytarik> rajkapur: Does it actually unmount then though?
[13:53] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: we are not using DOS any more...
[13:53] <rajkapur> y .
[13:53] <rajkapur> it unmounts ...i will replicate teh problem now
[13:53] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: why you invoking DOS? now i'm even more confused? :D
[13:54] <OvenWerks> If the unmounter allows unmounting before the copy has completed that is another problem.
[13:55] <rajkapur> wait .. i am copying to another usb
[13:55] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: DOS only did one thing at a time, stopped doing anything else while it wrote to disk or printed. once we got beyond that... knowing when a copy was actually on disk is not known by the application.
[13:58] <sakrecoer> ok, not sure why you tell me this but, thanks OvenWerks
[13:58] <rajkapur> :) wtf now it worked
[14:00] <sakrecoer> \o/
[14:00] <rajkapur> i previosly uncecked browse removabel media when inserted :))
[14:00] <OvenWerks> rajkapur: I do that as soon as I install anything for audio too.
[14:01] <sakrecoer> rajkapur: but, did ckecking it back solve your problem?
[14:01] <rajkapur> no.. it was checked before... but i was kinda jocking
[14:02] <sakrecoer> :D
[14:03] <rajkapur> i got this 1tb usb drive and i hope it does not end up like my usb drives (one i managed to fix in widows 10)
[14:05] <rajkapur> i ll be checking the logs as you said earlier
[14:06] <rajkapur> thx guys..at least everything else is working


[01:08] <meebey> kenvandine: do you know if there is a PPA for libindicate 0.4 somewhere?
[01:08] <meebey> kenvandine: fir lucid
[10:55] <meebey> kenvandine: nvm, I just found a libindicate 0.4 backport in the canonical-dx-team PPA
[16:55] <wcgary83> Hi guys! I just wanted to comment (plead) for the case of having the application indicators minimize/maximize with left click, and bring up a menu with the right click... This is the only way that makes sense to me! Please at least give us the option to configure it that way, it really drives me nuts!
[16:56] <wcgary83> When it changed I honestly thought it was a bug!
[20:15] <bratsche> wcgary83: irc isn't really good for this type of discussion, you should post on the mailing lists.
[21:44] <wcgary83> bratsche: ok thanks!


[14:06] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +557 cases (now 1.6 million), +1 deaths (now 28077), +19130 tests (now 11.5 million, 0.0% positive) since 23 hours ago


[18:19] <mup> Bug #1571229 opened: localnet missing in ACL for maas-proxy (maas proxy fails to start) <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1571229>
[18:19] <mup> Bug #1571233 opened: MAAS Region/Rack Controller does start on Bonds/VLANs <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1571233>
[20:41] <mup> Bug #1571229 changed: localnet missing in ACL for maas-proxy (maas proxy fails to start) <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1571229>
[21:32] <mup> Bug #1571252 opened: ppc64 cloud images (14.04, 15.10) don't restart network after a 'reboot' send from the CLI <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1571252>
[23:55] <nooboob> hi all, does anyone know if MAAS runs on raspberry pi 3 and if pi's can be managed by it? Thanks.


[02:52] <luluhouse7> yo is anyone actually on?
[05:21] <Glamdring> So, at one point I installed OpenTyrian. Works fine. Out of curiosity, though, I tried launching it in TTY1, with no X. It executes, but looks bleeping ridiculous. Is an X strictly required for graphics beyond ascii?
[05:21] <Glamdring> If so, why?
[12:04] <Quantos> Great, now it won't copy at all
[12:04]  * Quantos starts over
[12:05] <Quantos> It'll now copy a - b, but not b - a
[12:05] <Quantos> What the heck?
[12:06] <Quantos> 13 MB/s
[12:07] <Quantos> I'm just going to go and kill somebody
[16:54] <Smith12353> hi, all. a friend of mine is trying to get his webcam to work normal-speed with skype. however, he gets a lag in his new lubuntu installation (whereas he did not have the lag in xubuntu). for some reason, while both mplayer and vlc claim to be using v4l2, mplayer has no lag, and vlc lags when playing webcam input (or whatever the correct term is).
[16:54] <Smith12353> the webcam is using uvcvideo, dmesg says.
[16:55] <Smith12353> by the way, this is what vlc is saying: v4l2 demux warning: cannot reset cropping limits: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[16:55] <Smith12353> mplayer is saying nothing of the sort, of course
[16:58] <Smith12353> well... mplayer says v4l2: ioctl set mute failed: Invalid argument, but this is probably unrelated.
[16:58] <Smith12353> also this: v4l2: ioctl enum norm failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device


[06:00] <Unit193> Is there a reason firefox skipped artful-proposed the last couple uploads?
[07:36] <fossfreedom_> hi all - just testing our latest daily Ubuntu ISO. I cannot ping google.com from either the live ISO session nor an installed session in virtualbox. Can anyone help to provide a bit of insight what has gone wrong in our ISO?
[07:36] <fossfreedom_> s/Ubuntu/Ubuntu Budgie/
[07:37] <tsimonq2> fossfreedom_: Can you ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[07:37] <tsimonq2> If you can, I usually jump to systemd-resolved acting up again. :P
[07:38] <fossfreedom_> yep - it looks like <IP_ADDRESS> is working
[07:38]  * tsimonq2 kicks systemd-resolved *grr*
[07:39] <fossfreedom_> sorry - my networking knowledge is non-existent in this systemd world ... what is systemd-resolved?
[07:39] <tsimonq2> (in all reality, that's just a wild guess, don't take my word on it, I personally like for systemd-resolved to be my scapegoat for DNS problems :P)
[07:40] <tsimonq2> fossfreedom_: It replaced resolvconf
[07:40] <tsimonq2> It's the homegrown systemd thing
[07:41] <fossfreedom_> k.  thanks.  Kind of difficult to run ubuntu-bug systemd-resolved without a network :P
[07:41] <tsimonq2> :P
[07:43] <fossfreedom_> tsimonq2, do you have a current daily handy?  just wondering if its just us affected, or all dailies as of yesterday.
[07:45] <tsimonq2> fossfreedom_: I'm running it locally, fresh rebooted 12 hours ago, no problems
[07:45] <fossfreedom_> :(
[07:48] <Unit193> I find DNS usually works better without resolved. :P
[07:49] <tsimonq2> Unit193: I agree 100%. :P
[07:50] <fossfreedom_> who is our systemd-resolved / network-manager SME ?
[07:50] <tsimonq2> fossfreedom_: c y p h e r m o x iirc
[07:50] <tsimonq2> idk, could have changed :)
[07:51]  * tsimonq2 goes to bed, it's approaching 3 AM!
[08:04] <Laney> mwhudson: sucks eh
[08:15] <mwhudson> Laney: which autopkgtest was failing that way?
[08:15] <Laney> mwhudson: ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[08:15] <Laney> python-docker or something
[08:15] <Laney> anything which installs docker as a dependency tho
[08:15] <Laney> docker itself probs
[08:16] <mwhudson> let's see what happens in an artful chroot on diamond i guess
[08:16] <Laney> does that message mean anything to you?
[08:16] <mwhudson> er lxd
[08:16] <Laney> it sounded a bit like an ABI break
[08:16] <mwhudson> well it's the dynamic linker having a fit?
[08:17] <mwhudson> R_PPC64_ADDR16_HA doesn't really sound like the sort of relocation that usually gets as far as the dynamic linker though
[08:25] <mwhudson> uhh
[08:25] <mwhudson> why is the load on diamond 150
[08:27] <mwhudson> i'm sure the 5 apt.systemd.daily processes are entirely unrelated :(
[08:48] <fossfreedom_> cyphermox, is this one you can help us with please? or let us know who can? TIA https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1712283
[09:44] <jibel> xnox, ^ it could be due to last upload of resolvconf. It's gone from the image.
[09:49] <xnox> jibel, yes and no. both ifupdown and resolvconf are no longer required, which is normal. with systemd that migrated last friday there are changes to DNS.
[09:49] <xnox> i shall test things with latest image to see what's going on
[09:50] <xnox> (however note that resolvconf was only demoted from priority important on monday)
[09:51] <jibel> xnox, okay.
[09:52] <xnox> i believe cloud images failed to publish too.
[09:53] <xnox> mwhudson, apt.systemd.daily arguh?!
[10:07] <xnox> jibel, hmmmm ubuntu-desktop doesn't boot for me at all
[10:08] <mwhudson> xnox: the machine was unhappy, some io nonsense
[10:13] <xnox> fossfreedom_, jibel $ sudo ln -sf /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf
[10:13] <xnox> fixes things interractively, investigating why that's not the case out of the box.
[10:17] <fossfreedom_> xnox +1 cheers.  That works nicely.
[10:23] <xnox> jibel, fossfreedom_ - and i think i know what i need to upload to fix this.
[10:28] <xnox> hm, however i am confused why /etc/resolv.conf is an empty file inside the chroot
[10:28] <xnox> inside the image that is.
[10:40] <xnox> hm.... looks like a bug in livecd-rootfs
[10:52] <mwhudson> Laney: well docker passes a smoke test in an artful lxd on a xenial host  on ppc64el :(
[10:53] <Laney> mwhudson: can you start an artful VM?
[10:53] <mwhudson> Laney: let's see
[10:57] <mwhudson> how do i figure out the ip address of a vm with virsh again?
[10:59] <mwhudson> cpaelzer: i've started the mwhudson-artful vm on diamond but it doesn't seem to be talking to the network, help?
[11:01] <xnox> mwhudson, use older artful vm? =) pre-monday ideally
[11:01] <xnox> there is a bug in current networking not working.
[11:01] <xnox> possibly try starting systemd-networkd and netplan
[11:01] <mwhudson> xnox: this one is a little old
[11:01] <xnox> horum, ok.
[11:02] <mwhudson> anyway i should go to bed instead of this
[11:02] <mwhudson> if someone wants to reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/docker.io/+bug/1711935 and give me access to a system / vm where i can do so too, that would be most excellent
[13:34] <seb128> bdmurray, hey, could you have a look to the patch on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1703365? It looks good to me, maybe you can look if it makes sense to you as well and get it merged?
[14:20] <doko> seb128: why did you set the status to comitted? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox-plugin-alternative-toolbar/+bug/1703662
[14:20] <seb128> doko, because it was closed by nobody actually promoted it
[14:20] <seb128> so fix released felt wrong
[14:21] <doko> s/by/but/ ?
[14:21] <seb128> yes, sorry
[14:21] <seb128> I should have set it to triaged or something else?
[14:21] <doko> set back to new. committed means it is approved and needs an archive admin to promote
[14:21] <seb128> which is the case there afiak
[14:22] <doko> and think cyphermox can handle that then
[14:22] <doko> ?
[14:22] <seb128> it's approved and showing on component mismatch
[14:22] <seb128> see comment #5
[14:23] <cyphermox> wat?
[14:24] <cyphermox> r-p-a-t was Fix Committed because the MIR was good, and ready to be promoted.
[14:30] <seb128> cyphermox, it got fix released without being promoted which is why I changed the status back to fix commited, which doko was asking about
[14:30] <seb128> I guess it just need to be promoted
[14:30] <seb128> I need to change location but I'm going to do that once I'm back online (if nobody beats me to it)
[14:32] <doko> Mirv: #1708428 needs a package subscriber, I guess the same as libvoikko?
[14:54] <bdmurray> seb128, jibel: I'm out today but will have a look at the u-m bug tomorrow.
[15:05] <cpaelzer> xnox: I saw you dropping upstart jobs from irqbalance
[15:06] <cpaelzer> xnox: I might remeber wrong but those jobswere no delta but in Debian right?
[15:06] <cpaelzer> xnox: and if so would there be any pain to leave them as is - it now has a native systemd service anyway
[15:06] <cpaelzer> xnox: so whats the purpose on actively dropping those?
[15:06] <xnox> cpaelzer, yes there is pain.
[15:07] <cpaelzer> any bug or other explanation I could refer to when understanding :-) ?
[15:09] <xnox> package size, image size, install size, conffile checks in dpkg on every upgrade, longer build times, larger maintainer scripts, larger backups, larger etckeeper, larger and longer 'grep -r /etc'
[15:09] <xnox> cpaelzer, they are small, but it is a lot times 10,000 containers
[15:10] <xnox> i'm aiming to have /etc/init gone from artful lxd cotnainer and I am 3 packages away from achieving that
[15:10] <cpaelzer> xnox: ok, no offense please just wanted to understand :-)
[15:10] <cpaelzer> now I see your point thanks
[15:10] <cpaelzer> did you submit the drop as request to Debian?
[15:11] <xnox> cpaelzer, not yet, but i will do a mass bug file in debian with dd-list
[15:11] <cpaelzer> ok thanks
[15:11] <xnox> at the moment i want to clear lxd default container by feature freeze, then proceed with debian mass bug file
[15:11] <xnox> some scripts dropped were ubuntu delta (thus minimising delta)
[15:11] <xnox> some bugs are filed upstream / to debian
[15:12] <cpaelzer> ok, I had a merge ready and just wanted to get context
[15:12] <cpaelzer> now I'm able to redo it properly - thanks for the details xnox
[15:13] <xnox> cpaelzer, grab the diff from launchpad and reply it on top of your merge, it should apply clean sans changelog whcih will need tweaks
[15:36] <seb128> jbicha, hey, did you see my ping about n-m/connectivy api? (sorry was offline for a bit, and now I don't want to disturb the meeting :-)
[15:37] <jbicha> seb128: I think so, haven't had a chance to look through jamesh's backported patchset yet
[15:37] <seb128> jbicha, I think it's a simple matter of applying to the vcs/uploading, it's just that my todo is full for today and I'm off tomorrow
[15:38] <seb128> so if you would like to handle the upload that would be welcome
[15:38] <seb128> otherwise I try to do that on thursday
[15:38] <jbicha> seb128: if it doesn't take too much time, could you try to kickstart the desktop version tracker again today?
[15:39] <seb128> jbicha, sure
[15:39] <jbicha> yes, I'll try to look through the NM uploads by tomorrow
[15:40] <seb128> thanks
[15:42] <jackpot51> Discussion about Pop! OS right now, right here: https://chat.pop-os.org/community/channels/town-square
[15:43] <nacc> jackpot51: ... why are you putting that in this channel?
[15:44] <seb128> seems spam, he cross posted on other channels as well
[15:44] <nacc> seb128: +1\
[15:45] <jackpot51> Not spam, just if you guys are interested
[15:45] <jackpot51> If not, please ignore, I won't send any more messages
[15:48] <jackpot51> It is *one* message to talk about an Ubuntu based distribution. We are currently discussing default settings and applications
[15:52] <seb128> jackpot51, well, you gave little context on what you plan to discuss and why it could be useful to Ubuntu developers to join
[15:54] <jackpot51> Sorry for that seb128
[23:52] <Unit193> Hrm, not patch pilot listed on the calendar for a while.  Can I get anyone interested in helping a flavor out?  bug 1709733


[06:02] <jamespage> please can ^^ horizon upload be rejected - it misses part of the required update
[06:02] <jamespage> (sat am is not good for my brain apparently)


[03:28] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: what were you asking about removals before?
[08:43] <micahg> anyone available to review a python mutliarch patcg?
[09:00] <micahg> vibhav: would you mind preparing a merge  for java-package (or I can do it if you like), I think it'll fix Bug #1096546
[09:00] <micahg> vibhav: from experimental I mean
[14:50] <TheLordOfTime> micahg, jtaylor, sorry ended up out of the home all day, and part of this i'll have to follow up with SpamapS about, but what's with replacing the php5-imap, php5-mcrypt, etc. with versions in Universe, which are actually *behind* the normal php5 package in raring?
[14:50] <TheLordOfTime> makes backporting (even in PPAs for special-use cases on one of my servers) such packages that much harder
[14:53] <TheLordOfTime> as well, the modules that are in universe replacing the 5.4.9 php5-built ones are built against 5.4.6 (if their version numbers can be trusted)
[14:55] <TheLordOfTime> micahg, as for "removals", the only thing i'm still pretty adamant about getting dropped from the repos is 'supybot' which is not updated, but we've already discussed that before that a lot of people use it, including the ubuntu bots team.
[16:51] <TheLordOfTime> debdiff prepping - two questions: (1) packaging version changing for updates is outlined where?  and (2) do you prefer that debdiffs include a changelog entry increasing the revision number.
[16:57] <vibhav> micahg: there?
[16:57] <vibhav> micahg: Sorry for responding late, I will try to do that
[17:22] <vibhav> micahg: Sorry, I cant prepare a merge ATM (No time, studies)
[17:57] <micahg> vibhav: do you mind if I do it then?
[17:58] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: any chance of getting it updated in Debian?  we can surely backport it
[18:58] <sao> Hello all. I am the upstream Developer of Diodon a clipboard manager with Unity integration. Currently I am working to create a package for the official Ubuntu repository and wanted to ask whether there would be anyone who could mentor/sponsor me on the way? More details see here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/808464
[21:29] <TheLordOfTime> micahg, only if we drop it in Raring from universe, and have SpamapS undo his revisions allowing php5-mcrypt to build from php5 source
[21:29] <TheLordOfTime> which is how it was in quantal
[21:29] <TheLordOfTime> or at the very least, Precise
[21:30] <TheLordOfTime> or do you mean supybot?
[21:30] <TheLordOfTime> (if you mean supybot, i've heard "rumors" it'll be updated in Debian)
[21:30] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: hrm?  I was referring to supybot
[21:30] <TheLordOfTime> (but only rumors)
[21:30] <TheLordOfTime> micahg, we had a 30 minute discussion about 2 months ago about supybot
[21:30] <TheLordOfTime> i may still be saying it should be removed, but i'm not pushing that
[21:30] <TheLordOfTime> i'm more concerned about php5
[21:31] <TheLordOfTime> which is why i pinged jtaylor yesterday
[21:31] <TheLordOfTime> micahg, consider supybot a "non-issue"
[21:31] <TheLordOfTime> i wasn't the one here pushing for a package removal yesterday, TAsn was
[21:31] <TheLordOfTime> for already-released things, which AIUI is not possiblew
[21:31] <jtaylor> TheLordOfTime: updating the php things should be trivial
[21:32] <TheLordOfTime> jtaylor, you're the last commit on php-mcrypt source package, but mind me asking *why* it was placed in universe and  dropped from the php5 source?
[21:32] <jtaylor> some main reason
[21:32] <jtaylor> I forgot it again
[21:33] <jtaylor> I don't care about php, did the update because it was required for security and ftbfs
[21:33] <micahg> libmcrypt is in universe
[21:33] <TheLordOfTime> micahg, php5 is in main, and previously built php5-mcrypt, is the reason it was manually separated from php5 because the underlying library is in universe?
[21:34] <jtaylor> I think because they are plugins not officially supported by pgp
[21:34] <jtaylor> php
[21:34] <TheLordOfTime> jtaylor, OK, then i am safe in that if the php-mcrypt package says '5.4.6-something' then its built from 5.4.6's code base?
[21:35] <jtaylor> yes
[21:35] <jtaylor> it should be in README.source how to update them
[21:35] <jtaylor> I'd wait until feature freeze
[21:38] <TheLordOfTime> jtaylor, is the universe package released under the same license as php5?
[21:38] <TheLordOfTime> (i.e. can i take the code, update it, fork it, rebuild it to the  needs with changes,  etc. in a PPA)
[21:38] <jtaylor> probably I think its in the same tarball
[21:40] <micahg> if it's all one shared tarball, maybe we should make it php5-universe and be done with it
[21:40] <TheLordOfTime> micahg, that'd imply you'd have to incorporate php5-imap as well
[21:40] <jtaylor> or wait until the reorg ;)
[21:40] <TheLordOfTime> which is in the same boat as php5-mcrypt
[21:41] <micahg> like I said, if it's in the same upstream tarball, let's make it one source
[21:41] <micahg> like fftw3, boost, libav...
[21:42] <jtaylor> that would be good
[21:43] <TheLordOfTime> last i checked the code's in php5 upstream, wouldn't making that build a universe package imply that the entirety of php5 would become universe?
[21:43] <jtaylor> but I'm not going to do it, I last used php ~10 years ago
[21:43] <TheLordOfTime> or am i misinterpreting the statement you made, micahg?
[21:43] <jtaylor> no, you just duplicate the source
[21:43] <jtaylor> one for main which builds php
[21:43] <jtaylor> the other for universe which builts the exxtensions
[21:43] <TheLordOfTime> ahhh, i see.
[21:43] <jtaylor> see e.g. fftw and fftw-mpi both the same source
[21:44] <jtaylor> just build different things
[21:55] <micahg> jtaylor: can you look at a python multiarch patch for me?
[22:00] <jtaylor> sure
[22:01] <micahg> jtaylor: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1504567/
[22:04] <jtaylor> looks fine
[22:05] <micahg> thanks, I"m still new at this python multiarch stuff
[22:07] <jtaylor> thats another option: https://github.com/cython/cython/pull/158/files
[22:08] <micahg> jtaylor: right, the wiki suggests that when get_python_inc is used


[02:33] <teward> I need a specific user banned on LP from posting answers.  https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+question/670712 and https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+question/670784 are the spam, the individual needing squished is https://launchpad.net/~suranto68 and posted two spam questions via the answers section against the nginx package.
[02:34] <teward> and they qualify as spam
[08:40] <pdobrogost> Hi all!
[08:41] <pdobrogost> Once upon a time I created account on launchpad (pd-launchpad) but it seems I no longer have neither password nor even email address I used to create it. I created Ubuntu One account just now (piotr.dobrogost). Is there a way to migrate, link my old launchpad account with the new one?
[08:42] <wgrant> pdobrogost: Not if you no longer have access to that email address.
[08:42] <pdobrogost> wgrant: There is a chance I have access although I don't remember the address itself :)
[08:44] <pdobrogost> Could someone please initiate password recovery or something for the account pd-launchpad?
[08:44] <wgrant> pdobrogost: Oh! It's at a Launchpad-specific subdomain
[08:44] <wgrant> Of one of your personal domains, I guess
[08:44] <pdobrogost> This is the scheme I use, yes.
[08:45] <pdobrogost> So it's probably something along the line of<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:47] <pdobrogost> Ok, I found the password. What now?
[08:49] <pdobrogost> wgrant: Any idea how to link these accounts?
[09:02] <wgrant> pdobrogost: https://launchpad.net/people/+requestmerge
[09:03] <pdobrogost> wgrant: Thanks but I don't understand which email and which password is asked on this page?
[09:04] <wgrant> pdobrogost: Be logged in as the account you want to keep, and enter the email address of the other one.
[09:04] <wgrant> It doesn't usually matter terribly which way you go, since you can always rename the account later.
[09:35] <stub> I can't make a merge proposal from a git branch into a branch in the same repo?
[09:38] <cjwatson> stub: You certainly can - it just has to not be in the personal namespace (e.g. /~stub/+git/thing)
[09:38] <cjwatson> (This restriction is probably wrong but I haven't got round to abolishing it)
[09:38] <stub> guess where my repo is ;)
[09:39] <cjwatson> a project- or package-namespaced repo will work fine for that
[09:40] <stub> I already have a project. Just looks like I neglected to move this repo from the initial personal namespace one.
[09:40]  * stub updates things
[09:41] <stub> Ooh... because lp:layer-snap *is* lp:~stub/layer-snap
[09:42] <stub> Anyway, I can propose
[09:42] <stub> ta
[23:35] <asdfasdf0101> The bug submission form gives me a timeout error. Is this known?


[02:11] <teward> ddstreet: mapreri: anything for the backporters meeting in ~14 hours from now, or no?  Asking 'cause FT job (and a law enforcement partner!) dropped a meeting on my schedule i gotta be present on.
[02:11] <teward> at the same time slot
[09:26] <schopin> doko: I have apparently forgotten to add the openssl-3.0.1-version-check.diff line to d/p/series in python3.{9,10}, hence the autopkgtest failures. Sorry :/
[09:38] <schopin> didn't notice that test_ssl was disabled in d/rules
[09:55] <mapreri> teward: sigh, actually not, I don't have any news myself. :|
[09:55] <mapreri> ddstreet: ↑
[10:57] <GunnarHj> Hi sil2100, the language pack generation for jammy seems still be broken.
[10:58] <sil2100> wow, still? Looking
[10:59] <sil2100> What the heck
[10:59] <sil2100> Ah, shit
[11:00] <GunnarHj> sil2100: I take it that you are about to fix it soon. ;)
[11:00] <sil2100> Yes, yet *another* missing empty directory due to the bzr -> git migration it seems :|
[11:00] <sil2100> Let me run through the bzr tree and see if there's any more
[11:04] <seb128> sil2100, urg, sorry, that's my fault since I did the conversion :-/
[11:04] <sil2100> seb128: it's fine, it's git that's at fault here ;p
[11:05] <seb128> sil2100, it's quite an annoying property of git indeed, not the first time it bites me at least :-/
[11:05] <sil2100> eh, same...
[11:08] <fheimes> dear archive-admins, could you please have a look at 'libzpc' in jammy's new queue - and consider it for acceptance?
[11:09] <seb128> fheimes, hey, I can do that for you :)
[11:13] <seb128> fheimes, I'm not going to reject due to that but several source use ' Copyright IBM Corp. 2021' so please update the debian/copyright to list 2021 in the next upload
[11:13] <xnox> slyon:  i see some pings about systemd testing .... from over christmas.... was that sorted with bluca or not?
[11:14] <seb128> fheimes, and 2019
[11:14] <slyon> xnox: yes some of the upstream CI/autopkgtest were blocked. I think I saw juliank working on this yesterday and they resolved it IIRC
[11:15] <seb128> fheimes, there are several other years, please grep for Copyright and update the list as needed
[11:15] <xnox> hallyn:  MS did manage do self-signed sbat testing end to end; by building shim in devel mode which uses alternative variables...... doing that testing resulted in discovering authenticated variable handling issues.
[11:15] <juliank> vorlon: I see that half of the tests fail somehow, but can't say what the issue is
[11:16] <fheimes> hmm - mainly just took this over from upstream - I'll make sure it's adjusted with the next upload
[11:16] <fheimes> (doing a grep now ...)
[11:16] <juliank> I mean, OK, worker <IP_ADDRESS> has disk I/O errors
[11:16] <seb128> fheimes, accepted
[11:16] <juliank> and lxd-armhf-<IP_ADDRESS> has a dead lxd
[11:17] <fheimes> seb128: many thx (also for the feedback)
[11:17] <juliank> Jan 12 11:16:58 lxd-armhf10 lxd.daemon[26303]: error: error renaming /var/snap/lxd/common/lxd/logs/lxd.log.7.gz to /var/snap/lxd/common/lxd/logs/lxd.log.8.gz: No space left on device
[11:17] <juliank> hooray
[11:18] <juliank> this makes no sense
[11:18] <juliank> :D
[11:18] <juliank> ah ok, it makes sense /dev/vda2        43G   42G  872K 100% /var/snap/lxd/common
[11:19] <seb128> fheimes, oh, and another piece of feedback, there is a tests dir so would be nice to have those run as part of the build which doesn't seem the case atm?
[11:20] <seb128> fheimes, it built and I NEWed the binaries now
[11:20] <fheimes> seb128: to get that test going a test framework needs to be pulled down during build from Google - and what I've heard is that this is a nogo ...
[11:20] <juliank> we really ought to get to the point where we only keep lxd workers for a month or so and them rotate to avoid them piling up crap
[11:22] <seb128> fheimes, alright, I didn't investigate, the test documentation refers only to googletest which we have in the archive but I don't know the specifics of the project, I figured out I would mention it anyway :)
[11:25] <fheimes> seb128: ok (I had that test once in, but reviewer didn't like that things are pulled from external sources during build - I plan to start a discussion with upstream to find a better was ...)
[11:25] <juliank> somebody is running too many big tests at the moment, running the nodes out of space, breaking lxd
[11:26] <juliank> the lxd nodes need to be completely redone, IMO
[11:28] <juliank> also why do we use btrfs but then not lxd btrfs support, weird
[11:30] <juliank> (we don't use the fast subvolume based btrfs support, but setup lxd using the basic directory support...)
[11:32] <juliank> btrfs sub delete is a lot faster than rm -rf dirs :D
 failure: ['lxc', 'delete', '--force', 'lxd-armhf-<IP_ADDRESS>:autopkgtest-lxd-wgklwr'] failed (exit status 1, stderr 'Error: Stopping the instance failed: Instance "stop" operation timed out after 30 seconds\n')
[11:34] <juliank> Well duh
[11:35] <juliank> rm -rf might take a few minutes
[11:35] <juliank> should convert them all to btrfs storage pools
[11:48] <hallyn> xnox: interesting, thanks.  Are those logged some place public?
[11:48] <xnox> hallyn:  are you on keybase?
[11:48] <xnox> hallyn:  i think there were things on mailing lists too.
[11:49] <xnox> hallyn:  but at the moment we still do not use authenticated var.
[11:53] <hallyn> xnox: not on keybase :(
[11:56] <hallyn> supposed to be a more user friendly version of kernel dev key web i guess?  hadn't seen it before.
[12:00] <xnox> hallyn:  oh no, the gpg stuff is aweful inside it. but it does have e2e encrypted team git, chat, and file share. Which is useful for private development and disclosures.
[12:03] <juliank> So lxd-armhf10 (<IP_ADDRESS>) has a shot lxd database
[12:04] <juliank> Going to drop that worker
[12:08] <juliank> I am going to destroy that server and build up a new one
[12:08] <juliank> we really should have a public RT for autopkgtest cloud admin
[12:20] <juliank> ooh, bugs in the provisioning script too
[12:49] <schopin> looking for kind sponsors for LP: #1957170 and LP: #1957100
[12:54] <juliank> ok, we are a bit screwed right now on armhf
[12:55] <juliank> as in we can't build lxd contaienrs for jammy or impish
[12:56] <juliank> stgraber: autopkgtest-cloud uses images:ubuntu/$release/armhf to build images across all releases; those do not exist on impish and jammy since dec 12 or so, so things are somewhat broken
[12:57] <juliank> stgraber: going to move that topic to #lxc
[13:01] <juliank> laney: sorry to distrub, but do you remember why we use images:ubuntu/ instead of ubuntu-daily:?
[13:05] <sil2100> GunnarHj: new langpacks are there \o/
[13:05] <sil2100> Finally working as expected
[13:07] <juliank> let's just try ubuntu-daily: what could possibly go wrong
[13:10] <juliank> ah so the images: come without cloud-init
[13:22] <GunnarHj> sil2100: Great, thanks!
[13:23] <ahasenack> I forget, can a main package `Recommends` a universe one?
[13:48] <seb128> ahasenack, no
[13:52] <ahasenack> figured, thx
[14:09] <ddstreet> teward mapreri unfortunately nothing new from me either re: backporters mtg, let's cancel this week and i'll schedule another in 2 weeks? i think the holidays pushed this to the bottom of the todo list, but hopefully we can get back into it by next mtg
[14:15] <doko> schopin, it's applied in 3.9, but not in 3.10. now uploaded the lastter
[14:15] <ahasenack> are armhf dep8 testers overloaded?
[14:15] <ahasenack> or hung?
[14:16] <schopin> doko: oh right, the 3.9 failure seems unrelated to openssl
[14:31] <juliank> oops sorry, everything fails right now
[14:31] <mapreri> ddstreet: ack, pls do
[14:34] <juliank> OK, so hopefully the lxd workers will work a bit better now, albeit we lost 2 out of 11
[14:39] <seb128> bah, librsvg fails to build on arm64 only, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/579855597/buildlog_ubuntu-jammy-arm64.librsvg_2.52.5+dfsg-1ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[14:39] <seb128> 'libtool:   error: object name conflicts in archive: .libs/librsvg-2.lax/librsvg_c_api.a//<<BUILDDIR>>/librsvg-2.52.5+dfsg/./.libs/librsvg_c_api.a'
[14:39] <juliank> Going to record the state of autopkgtest-cloud work here:
[14:39] <juliank> 1. I disabled the lxd-armhf10 worker, and built up a new one. It's waiting for impish and jammy lxd images to be published again (images: remote)
[14:39] <juliank> 2. I disabled the worker <IP_ADDRESS>, as it has disk/IO errors. It needs to be deployed from scratch again as well
[14:39] <juliank> 3. I replaced use of `lxc delete -f` with `lxd stop`, as the former has a 30s stop timeout which is too low for us (as we used `dir` storage pool). Can be reverted eventually once all nodes use btrfs backend
[14:39] <juliank> 4. New lxd-armhf nodes use the btrfs storage backend, which is substantially faster to create/delete instance.
[14:39] <juliank> We should now be operating at 9/11 capacity.
[14:40] <ahasenack> thanks
[14:45] <seb128> mwhudson, hey, that librsvg error I just mentioned is discussed in https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/librsvg/-/issues/787 and seems to be a rust bug, any chance we cherry pick the fix to ubuntu? seems to be https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-builtins/commit/06497726
[14:58] <juliank> It seems the change from delete to stop was incomplete, figuring out if this is fixable
[15:01] <sil2100> xnox: ok, so I suppose mwhudson and doko are on it, right?
[15:01] <sil2100> xnox: eh, wrong channel
[15:20] <seb128> mwhudson, I opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rustc/+bug/1957186 about it
[15:32] <juliank> we are down to 8/11 capacity, another one ran out of disk and presumably corrupted its lxd database
[15:33] <juliank> We made the fatal mistake of placing /var/snap/lxd/common on the same disk as the storage pools, allowing tests to corrupt the database and DoS the infra just by writing to much data
[15:36] <juliank> maybe 40ish GB is not enough for 3 parallel tests, but also why do we have like 20 containers on the hosts
[15:37] <juliank> I shutdown lxd cloud entirely, and am going to clean up all the nodes first
[17:31] <ahasenack> tjaalton: hi, did I ever talk to you about submitting this sssd patch to debian? https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/realmd/tree/debian/patches/dont-add-services-line.patch
[17:32] <ahasenack> tl;dr it's about realmd not adding a nss,pam services line to the config, since our (debian/ubuntu) sssd is socket activated
[17:33] <ahasenack> sent to the mailing list for discussion<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:33] <ahasenack> it's to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/realmd/+bug/1880157
[18:39] <tjaalton> ahasenack: I'd rather not keep sssd socket activated and get rid of these patches to sssd/realmd/freeipa
[18:39] <ahasenack> well, just one patch
[18:39] <ahasenack> which can be removed if we go back on the socket activation thing
[18:39] <ahasenack> (talking about realmd only, don't know which other patches are out there)
[18:40] <tjaalton> sssd itself is patched, and freeipa-client so that the config it creates doesn't have those lines
[18:42] <tjaalton> I tried to look back and see why it was made this way, but am not sure
[18:50] <ahasenack> well, I submitted that to debian now, it makes sense as long as sssd is socket-activated
[18:50] <ahasenack> if we drop socket activation, then we can drop this patch
[19:02] <tjaalton> sure
[20:44] <mwhudson> seb128: going to be bumping to 1.57 soon, is it fixed there?
[20:44] <seb128> mwhudson, no idea
[20:45] <mwhudson> doesn't look like it from the gnome gitlab
[20:47] <mwhudson> hm well
[20:53] <mwhudson> seb128: could you file a bug on the rustc source package about this?
[20:54] <seb128> mwhudson, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rustc/+bug/1957186 as mentioned earlier ;-)
[20:54] <mwhudson> seb128: ah hah
[20:54]  * mwhudson waits for caffeine to kick in
[22:25] <mwhudson> jawn-smith: does your jammy schroot for sbuild have proposed enabled? i see a new shellcheck in proposed?
[22:27] <jawn-smith> mwhudson: I did try that using the --extra-repos flag, but I do think the new shellcheck is probably the reason
[22:28] <jawn-smith> So I'll just add all the quotes it wants
[22:29] <mwhudson> jawn-smith: imo your default schroots should have proposed enabled always
[22:29] <jawn-smith> seems reasonable


[19:35] <davmor2> Currently if you get Natty to install plymouth doesn't seem to stop or gdm doesn't take over.  Upgrade seems to be okay though.


[06:24] <zhsj> please retry https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=s390x&package=arno-iptables-firewall&trigger=arno-iptables-firewall%2F2.1.1-7 (linux-generic : Depends: linux-image-generic (= <IP_ADDRESS>.16) but <IP_ADDRESS>.21 is to be installed)
[06:26] <ginggs> zhsj: .
[06:39] <zhsj> and https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=amd64&package=lxc&trigger=libselinux%2F3.4-1build4 (FAIL timed out, the log is ended at compiling)
[06:47] <zhsj> dpkg: error processing archive /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-9IkDRS/098-linux-libc-dev_6.1.0-16.16_i386.deb (--unpack):
[06:47] <zhsj>  trying to overwrite shared '/arch/x86/include/generated/asm/.syscalls_32.h.cmd', which is different from other instances of package linux-libc-dev:i386
[06:47] <zhsj> is it bug in linux-libc-dev?
[06:57] <zhsj> so compare to old version linux-libc-dev_5.19.0-21.21, 6.1.0-16.16 is not multi-arch safe. i'm lost why it has files in /arch /install  /scripts
[07:04] <zhsj> anyway, move it bug 2009355
[07:04] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 2009355 in linux (Ubuntu) "linux-libc-dev is no longer multi-arch safe" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2009355
[12:11] <ahasenack> morning
[12:11] <ahasenack> checking in for my +1 week shift
[16:05] <rbasak> !dmb-ping
[16:06] <ahasenack> stgraber: fyi, a vm launched with `lxc launch ubuntu-daily:lunar l1 --vm` gets stuck on a grub error about "bad shim signature"
[16:06] <ahasenack> probably a lunar bug
[16:08] <danilogondolfo> May I ask someone to retry this test for me, please? https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=jammy&arch=amd64&package=netplan.io&trigger=netplan.io/0.105-0ubuntu2~22.04.3
[16:09] <ginggs> danilogondolfo: .
[16:09] <danilogondolfo> thank you ginggs
[16:13] <coreycb> schopin: are you planning to backport new versions of rust to jammy through the next LTS? I ask because the jammy-based cloud archives need python-cryptography which uses rust and there are several rust libraries that we'll need to backport from the next few releases of ubuntu to jammy.
[16:14] <stgraber> ahasenack: yeah, we had another report of that earlier
[16:14] <stgraber> ahasenack: sounds like a shim/kernel signature mismatch of some kind
[16:14] <stgraber> ahasenack: LXD itself just ships with the MS key loaded, no Ubuntu specific stuff in there
[16:14] <stgraber> ahasenack: you can force it with security.secureboot=false
[16:15] <stgraber> ahasenack: but obviously this needs fixing by CPC or foundations/kernel
[16:19] <ahasenack> stgraber: thanks, I'll try that
[16:31] <vorlon> stgraber, ahasenack: shim-signed was wrongly promoted to the lunar release pocket before corresponding kernels were ready.  It's been rolled back *and* new kernels have been promoted (so this won't be an issue going forward with any of the common images but if it mispromoted again it would still be an issue right now for the public cloud images due to separate kernel builds), so once there's a new
[16:31] <vorlon> image build the problem goes away.  CPC team knows
[16:43] <stgraber> thanks
[16:49] <jchittum> hm, we've started seeing issues with testing since the kernel update. getting the fun "go check livecd-rootfs if there are kernel capability mismatches with snapd"
[16:50] <jchittum> which is delaying publishing new lunar images. lemme dig a bti
[18:19] <ahasenack> I'm troubleshooting the `crash` DEP8 failures. I have never used that app before.
[18:19] <ahasenack> the lunar VM doesn't have /proc/kcore, that seems relevant
[18:19] <ahasenack> when this is run: crash -st /usr/lib/debug/boot/vmlinux-$(uname -r)
[18:19] <ahasenack> it outputs "crash: /proc/kcore: No such file or directory"
[18:19] <ahasenack> is that a change in the running kernel, or something else is going on?
[18:20] <ahasenack> # grep KCORE /boot/config-5.19.0-1008-kvm
[18:20] <ahasenack> # CONFIG_PROC_KCORE is not set
[18:20] <ahasenack> hm
[19:51] <vpa1977> Hi, would it be possible to review 'sparse' FTBS fix: https://code.launchpad.net/~vpa1977/ubuntu/+source/sparse/+git/sparse/+merge/438408
[19:51] <vpa1977> We have migrated to LLVM 15 but never updated this package to be compatible
[20:38] <sergiodj> hi, I'm trying to find out why Ubuntu chose to use -O3 when compiling stuff on ppc64el
[20:40] <sergiodj> is there any mailing list thread or something where a discussion happened regarding this change?
[20:42] <sergiodj> I found the changelog for this on dpkg, written by cjwatson.  I wonder if the rationale still applies
[20:45] <sergiodj> something to play with on a rainy afternoon, I guess...
[20:57] <vpa1977> Hi I am wondering if it is possible to retry some of the openjdk migrations:
[20:57] <vpa1977> OpenJDK -8
[20:57] <vpa1977> Infrastructure issues:
[20:57] <vpa1977> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=amd64&package=openjdk-8&trigger=ca-certificates-java%2F20230103ubuntu1
[20:57] <vpa1977> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=arm64&package=libreoffice&trigger=openjdk-8%2F8u362-ga-0ubuntu2
[20:57] <vpa1977> Known flaky tests:
[20:57] <vpa1977> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=amd64&package=jsurf-alggeo&trigger=openjdk-8%2F8u362-ga-0ubuntu2
[20:57] <vpa1977> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=amd64&package=openjdk-8&trigger=openjdk-8%2F8u362-ga-0ubuntu2
[20:57] <vpa1977> OpenJDK -11
[20:57] <vpa1977> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=amd64&package=openjdk-lts&trigger=ca-certificates-java%2F20230103ubuntu1
[20:57] <vpa1977> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=arm64&package=libsis-jhdf5-java&trigger=openjdk-lts%2F11.0.18%2B10-0ubuntu3
[20:57] <vpa1977> OpenJDK -17
[20:57] <vpa1977> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=amd64&package=jsurf-alggeo&trigger=openjdk-17%2F17.0.6%2B10-1ubuntu1
[20:57] <vpa1977> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=arm64&package=libreoffice&trigger=openjdk-17%2F17.0.6%2B10-1ubuntu1
[20:57] <vpa1977> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=arm64&package=libsis-jhdf5-java&trigger=openjdk-17%2F17.0.6%2B10-1ubuntu1
[20:57] <vpa1977> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=s390x&package=natbraille&trigger=openjdk-17%2F17.0.6%2B10-1ubuntu1
[20:57] <vpa1977> OpenJDK 18:
[20:57] <vpa1977> Known flaky test, patch sent to debian
[20:57] <vpa1977> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=amd64&package=jsurf-alggeo&trigger=openjdk-18%2F18.0.2%2B9-2ubuntu1
[20:57] <vpa1977> Kernel was not found
[20:58] <vpa1977> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=amd64&package=libreoffice&trigger=openjdk-18%2F18.0.2%2B9-2ubuntu1
[20:58] <vpa1977> Test bed did not boot
[20:58] <vpa1977> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=arm64&package=libreoffice&trigger=openjdk-18%2F18.0.2%2B9-2ubuntu1
[20:58] <vpa1977> OpenJDK-20
[20:58] <vpa1977> test bed did not boot:
[20:58] <vpa1977> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=arm64&package=fdroidserver&trigger=openjdk-20%2F20%7E36ea%7Eus1-0ubuntu1
[20:58] <vpa1977> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=ppc64el&package=fdroidserver&trigger=openjdk-20%2F20%7E36ea%7Eus1-0ubuntu1
[20:58] <vpa1977> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=arm64&package=libsis-jhdf5-java&trigger=openjdk-20%2F20%7E36ea%7Eus1-0ubuntu1
[20:58] <vpa1977> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=ppc64el&package=libsis-jhdf5-java&trigger=openjdk-20%2F20%7E36ea%7Eus1-0ubuntu1
[20:58] <vpa1977> OpenJDK 21
[20:58] <vpa1977> Kernel was not found
[20:58] <vpa1977> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=ppc64el&package=libreoffice&trigger=openjdk-21%2F21%7E7ea-1ubuntu1
[20:58] <vpa1977> And OpenJDK -19 needs all s390x retried due to missing kernel image
[21:11] <enr0n> Can a core dev please retry this test? https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=arm64&package=zfs-linux&trigger=systemd%2F252.5-2ubuntu1
[21:14] <mwhudson> vpa1977: clicked but not sure irc is the best place for a list like that
[21:14] <mwhudson> enr0n: done
[21:14] <vpa1977> mwhudson: apologies. realised it halfway through the list
[21:14] <vpa1977> Should I use pastebin for massive retries like this ?
[21:15] <enr0n> mwhudson: thanks
[21:15] <mwhudson> vpa1977: not sure, links in pastebin aren't clickable usually?
[21:16] <mwhudson> probably still a decent option
[21:17] <vorlon> sergiodj: it's by agreement with the partner (IBM).
[21:20] <vorlon> vpa1977, mwhudson: fwiw I generally won't click any retry links but instead expect to work out a translation to a retry-autopkgtest-regressions command, because I find those easier to read/comprehend
[21:21] <vorlon> (also, retry-autopkgtest-regressions does duplicate detection)
[21:22] <vorlon> dbungert: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/lunar_uninst.txt very nice
[21:22] <dbungert> vorlon: :)
[21:29] <sergiodj> vorlon: thanks


[00:00] <dtchen> Darxus: not strictly necessary
[00:09] <JanC> Darxus: patching the binary package name & kernel/image file name would be nice though  ;)
[00:10] <JanC> s/patching/changing/
[01:33] <Darxus> It seems like changing the source package name to linux-bfs and the ABI to 12bfs1 is the cleanest way to go.
[02:56] <Darxus> Ugh, trying to figure out every place I need to change "linux" to "linux-bfs" is... hard.
[02:57] <Darxus> So tell me how it works for two source packages to have the same source package name in the official archives (one in main, and mine in universe)?
[03:02] <JanC> Darxus: that won't work
[03:02] <JanC> AFAIK
[03:03] <Darxus> JanC: That's what I thought.
[03:03] <Darxus> 05:29PM < Darxus> When patching the linux kernel package with bfs, should I  change the source package name from linux to linux-bfs?
[03:03] <Darxus> 07:00PM < dtchen> Darxus: not strictly necessary
[03:04] <JanC> Darxus: packaging for personal use vs. packaging for the Ubuntu repositories
[03:06] <JanC> it seems like they have a separate source package for the -rt kernels too
[03:07] <JanC> Maybe you should have a look at how this is done
[03:08] <Darxus> JanC: Thanks, I did look at it some, but... it's not a full patch of the linux source package.
[03:08] <Darxus> I've gotten it to build and install.  It works.  My only remaining problem is renaming it.
[03:09] <JanC> well, you could maybe ask the -rt maintainers
[03:09] <Darxus> 1-maintainer.mk:  @git diff-tree -p refs/remotes/linux-2.6/master..HEAD $(shell ls | grep -vE '^(ubuntu|$(DEBIAN)|\.git.*)')
[03:09] <Darxus> See, I don't even know if I need to change "linux" to "linux-bfs" on that line...
[03:09] <Darxus> JanC: Yeah, thanks.
[03:10] <Darxus> Looks like no.
[03:11] <Darxus> It's so frustrating to wait hours just to be informed that I missed another one.
[03:12] <JanC> Darxus: you might want to document your findings  :-)
[03:13]  * JanC goes to sleep now
[03:16] <Darxus> JanC: It has certainly occurred to me that the kernel package could use a patch to un-hardcode the source package name.
[03:19] <Darxus> It also doesn't help that it doesn't clean up the files it regenerates for every build, so I'm not sure which files I need to edit.
[03:30] <Darxus>          dpkg-source: error: source package has two conflicting values - linux-bfs-bfs and linux-bfs
[03:30] <Darxus> Hah.
[03:32] <Darxus> Fixed.
[03:32] <Darxus>
[03:32] <Darxus> Rejected:
[03:32] <Darxus> linux_2.6.31-12bfs1.41.dsc: Version older than that in the archive.
[03:32] <Darxus> 2.6.31-12bfs1.41 <= 2.6.31-12.41bfs1
[03:32] <Darxus> Why must everything be designed for my misery?
[03:33] <Darxus> Do you think it would accept 2.6.31-12bfs1.42?
[03:37] <Darxus> I should go to sleep now, but I can't, because am too anxious for this build to... fail again.  In three hours.
[08:42] <Darxus> Wow.  It didn't fail.
[08:53] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lm-sensors-3/+bug/447837
[08:53] <ubot3> Malone bug 447837 in lm-sensors-3 "asus_atk0110 driver not enabled in kernel configuration by default" [Undecided,New]
[09:46] <Darxus> The kernel package's debian/rules clean is missing "rm -r ignore-dups debian/d-i-i386/".
[10:43] <phenompanda> ericm, hi, have you seen this error?
[10:43] <ericm> phenompanda, which error?
[10:43] <phenompanda> kernel/time.c #error ICSA specification requires the logging of time changes. This architecture will not log changes.
[10:44] <phenompanda> this error will happen after i comments off the CONFIG_OABI_COMPAT
[10:45] <phenompanda> ericm, what is the ICSA specification BTW ?
[10:45] <ericm> no idea
[10:46] <phenompanda> em, seems report from compiler?
[10:46] <ericm> preprocessor
[10:46] <phenompanda> ericm, do you always build arm kernel only support EABI?
[10:47] <ericm> so you disable CONFIG_OABI_COMPAT?
[10:47] <phenompanda> ericm, ah, i see, preprocessor ...
[10:47] <ericm> phenompanda, usually EABI + OABI_COMPAT
[10:47] <phenompanda> ericm, yeah, disabled CONFIG_OABI_COMPAT to squeeze couple of bytes from kernel :(
[10:47] <ericm> phenompanda, let me do a test build here
[10:48] <ericm> phenompanda, poor man - struggling for a few bytes
[10:48] <phenompanda> ericm, no idea, mmu less ... :(
[10:49] <ericm> phenompanda, will get the test build result back to you later - just upgraded to latest karmic - something's broken
[10:49] <phenompanda> ericm, ok, talk later ... hope it's a easy fix
[11:48] <ericm> phenompanda, test build has no prob with latest kernel - EABI without OABI_COMPAT
[13:59] <tj83> g'morning all, I filed this bug automatically during hardware testing at ALF, It was just responded to, and I think it sould probably be a closed bug. Unsure If I should or someone else be the one to make it as invalid? Bug #433100
[13:59] <ubot3> Malone bug 433100 in linux "SD card not recognized and mounted upon insert" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/433100
[18:28] <Darxus> Hah, I was trying to build a diff of only the changes involved in renaming the linux source package, and kept wondering why I was getting so much extra crap.  Then I realized I was diffing my modifications of -13 against a pristine -12.
[19:46] <wekt> what is the correct command to pull a kernel source package?    apt-get source linux-????????
[20:03] <Darxus> wekt: Yes.
[20:03] <Womble2> The main source package is just 'linux'
[20:03] <Womble2> whereas in Debian it's 'linux-2.6'
[20:05] <wekt> apt-get source linux         <--downloaded linux-meta package files.
[20:05] <Womble2> oh
[20:05] <Womble2> Ignore me, then
[20:06] <wekt> thanks for trying
[20:06] <wekt> Darxus: do you know what replaces the ???????
[20:08] <Womble2> 'apt-get source' should accept binary package names
[20:08] <Womble2> so, give it the image package name and you should end up with the source (but not necessarily the same version)
[20:10] <wekt> that is working with this attempt
[20:10] <wekt> apt-get source linux-image-2.6.31-7-rt
[20:19] <Darxus> wekt: Just curious, what are you doing with it?
[20:20] <wekt> I'm comparing the RT & Generic versions to see what is different
[20:22] <Darxus> Ah.  Good luck.
[20:23] <wekt> 889 different files.  That is quite a lot.
[20:27] <Darxus> Yeah.  The linux source package you're looking at builds just about every linux kernel related binary package except -rt.
[20:35] <Darxus> wekt: Do you know about the BFS patch?
[20:36] <wekt> no, i don't.  are you seeking info?
[20:36] <wekt> or think i am?
[20:39] <Darxus> wekt: http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/bfs/bfs-faq.txt
[20:39] <Darxus> wekt: I just think people who are playing with kernel packages are likely to find it interesting.
[20:40] <Darxus> I have karmic packages built in my ppa.
[20:40] <wekt> please continue to throw anything that fits that nature my way
[20:40] <Darxus> The history of the author's relationship with the kernel is interesting.
[20:42] <Darxus> Basically, the author, Con, wrote a couple of the kernel schedulers (the bits that decide which process to give cpu time to next) that were in the mainline kernel, and a bunch of other patches to improve desktop experience.  But the mainstream kernel guys wouldn't take his patches for the stuff that improved the desktop experience.  So after much frustration, he swore off it.
[20:42] <Darxus> Two years later, he's back, and he wrote BFS.
[22:11] <wekt> Darxus: you have a PPA of what? linux with the BFS patch?
[22:17] <Darxus> wekt: Yes.
[22:17] <Darxus> https://launchpad.net/~darxus/+archive/bfs
[22:18] <Darxus> Use the linux-bfs packages, not the linux packages.


[07:03] <ara> morning all!
[13:40]  * ara -> lunch
[23:45] <phillw> anyone got a date for the 1st spin of the meerkat alpha1 iso (the rc version / daily build)?
[23:50] <hggdh> phillw: please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule
[23:58] <phillw> hggdh: i am quite familiar with that post, it's part of http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=385 and before that on http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=377  It does not, however, say when the rc of a1 will be released. I started lucid with the rc of 10.04a1 and would like to do so for 10.10
[23:58] <phillw> i have a the partition ready, just want to know when i can start testing :-D