[00:55] <phillw> knome: I thought the xubuntu session was today?
[00:56] <phillw> (well, yesterday for me ... 14th )
[07:36] <jibel> good morning
[08:49] <knome> phillw, we pulled our sessions out of the "real" UDS schedule to be able to keep them at 20UTC.
[12:00] <balloons> knome, interesting :-) So it's today at 2000 UTC for xubuntu meeting?
[12:08] <knome> balloons, today as well. we had the first one yesterday; https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-May/008904.html
[12:08] <balloons> ahh :-)
[12:12] <smartboyhw> Hey balloons:)
[12:13] <smartboyhw> balloons, phillw: What did you guys talk about in the Lubuntu session?
[12:14] <phillw> smartboyhw watch the session :) http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21754/community-s-lubuntu-work-items/
[12:14] <balloons> planned for the cycle
[12:14] <balloons> mostly just Julien detailing his thoughts
[12:20] <phillw> balloons: who is / are QA / release manager(s) for kubuntu? I can't see them listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/WhoWeAre
[12:21] <balloons> scottk
[12:24] <knome> is that page something i should (have) know(n) about?
[12:38] <balloons> knome, that page is something noskcaj started
[12:38] <balloons> in an effort to learn who everyone was :-)
[12:38] <knome> okay
[12:38] <knome> i just updated the main QATeam wikipage a bit
[12:38] <knome> mostly (markup) formatting
[12:39] <balloons> awesome.. always happy to have updates :-)
[12:42] <phillw> balloons: I think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/WhoWeAre should have a bit of prominence so that new comers can quickly find their flavor leads :)
[12:42] <balloons> phillw, well we have to all meet as leads.. I think we can discuss it then :-)
[12:43] <balloons> I agree the detail should be somewhere.. but buy-in from everyone has to be there so it stays reasonably up to date
[12:43] <balloons> and of course, I don't like listing people's contact info without them knowing :-)
[12:56] <phillw> balloons: well, elfy (QA guy from xubuntu) asked for some details, hopefully he will also update the page with his details :)
[12:56] <balloons> :-)
[13:55] <pitti> balloons: can you please move the "Automating the Language Pack refresh process" someplace else? seems I'm a key person in both that and the power mgmt one
[13:56] <pitti> balloons: yesterday would have been fine, but it got moved
[13:56] <pitti> any time after lunch break WFM, or tomorrow
[13:58] <balloons> pitti, ok, let me go look
[14:01] <balloons> nice everything is locked.. it might take someone with more power than me :-)
[14:02] <balloons> pitti, I'm afraid I can't move it ^^
[14:05] <pitti> balloons: ah, too bad; thanks for trying, though
[14:47] <balloons> pitti, I'll start your session for upstream testing happening in 14
[14:48] <smartboyhw_> pitti, query/private message?
[14:55] <pitti> smartboyhw_: sure (but I'm in sessions)
[14:55] <pitti> balloons: thanks; I'll be done with server testing in a bit
[14:55] <pitti> balloons: can you PM me the URL?
[14:57] <balloons> for eveyone who wants to follow along on status for quality community stuff: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/group/topic-s-community-quality.html
[14:59] <smartboyhw_> balloons: Why there is no me?!
[14:59] <balloons> smartboyhw_, add yourself to any blueprint you wish
[15:00] <balloons> seriously :-) Even if you couldn't make it to the talk session, you can still help out :-)
[15:00] <balloons> I'm going to send that list to everyone on the mailing list so they know.. Anything you find interesting, join in!
[15:02] <smartboyhw_> balloons: I might do another classroom session… Any ideas?
[15:02] <balloons> you can't hardly have a bad session
[15:02] <balloons> there was a lot of demand for bug type sessions :-)
[15:02] <balloons> and as always, 'how to test X'
[15:03] <balloons> not literally x, lol, but 'how to test <insert package>'
[15:03] <smartboyhw_> balloons: How to test MIR or Unity (or flavours?)
[15:04] <balloons> all excellent ideas
[15:04] <balloons> mir would get a ton of people interested
[15:07] <smartboyhw> balloons: probably "How to use the QA Trackers"?  Give me three suggestions (that I will be good at talking about) :P
[15:49]  * elfy almost commented then ... ;)
[15:50] <smartboyhw> elfy: Please do:P
[15:50] <elfy> wouldn't be ontopic for the channel :)
[15:50] <smartboyhw> elfy: Query?
[15:51] <balloons> elfy, lololololololololol
[15:51] <smartboyhw> And we do sometimes go ot
[15:51] <smartboyhw> lolololololololololololol
[15:51] <balloons> smartboyhw, talk about testing tools, talk about hacking on something, talk about testing images
[15:51] <knome> kids, stop flooding. :)
[15:51] <balloons> talk about contributing a testcase
[15:51] <smartboyhw> knome: Meh
[15:51] <smartboyhw> balloons: Images then
[15:52] <balloons> smartboyhw, sounds excellent
[15:52] <elfy> knome: taps - always stuck on they are
[15:52] <knome> talk about testing and making sure testcases are up-to-date and accurate
[15:52] <smartboyhw> ballooons: OK…
[15:52] <smartboyhw> balloons: ^
[15:53] <smartboyhw> balloons: Add that workitem for me in blueprint please, I need to sleep
[15:53] <balloons> smartboyhw, sure thing
[15:53] <smartboyhw> balloons: Thx:) GN
[15:54] <elfy> did I amuse you balloons ?
[15:54] <balloons> elfy, very much so
[15:54] <elfy> glad to be back and of service :)
[15:54] <balloons> :-)
[15:55] <balloons> I'm looking for blueprints documentation
[15:55]  * knome waves the whip - better be...
[15:55] <balloons> how they work, etc.. I feel like I've confused everyone in asking them to take part
[15:55] <knome> heh.
[15:55] <knome> what would you like the docs to say?
[15:56] <knome> for me personally the work items stuff is pretty natural once you've used 5 mins in learning it
[15:56] <knome> or a min really
[15:56] <elfy> knome: lol
[15:57] <elfy> balloons: is there a contact detail for scottk anywhere?
[15:57] <elfy> that you know of
[15:57] <knome> elfy, /msg ScottK
[15:57] <knome> elfy, or any at https://launchpad.net/~kitterman
[15:57] <elfy> thanks knome
[15:57] <knome> np
[15:58] <balloons> knome, I agree.. but in this virtual world, it gets confusing for people I think
[15:58] <balloons> @ physical UDS it's a bit more straightforward
[15:58] <meetingology> balloons: Error: "physical" is not a valid command.
[15:58] <knome> haha!
[15:58] <balloons> ty meetingology
[15:58] <knome> the irony..
[15:58] <balloons> rofl
[15:59] <knome> i wonder if that is the official canonical position about UDS :P
[16:00] <knome> i don't know what the problem is really. you had to register your attending to the blueprints even in IRL UDS's to even have the possibility of sessions not overlapping too much
[16:00] <knome> the only thing that i think is somewhat misleading is some sessions not having a LP blueprint...
[16:04] <knome> elfy, you might want to check out this session: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21794/semiannual-release-schedule-review/
[16:04] <knome> elfy, register at: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/attend_meeting/21794/
[16:05]  * knome puts the community roundtable on the background
[16:05]  * elfy does too
[16:05] <elfy> thanks knome - that first one was the one I was trying to find last night but failing at
[16:05] <knome> np :)
[16:06] <elfy> sent that mail now
[16:07] <elfy> marked as attending
[16:07] <knome> cool
[16:07] <knome> and right, i was about to comment on that
[16:07] <elfy> I changed it a 'little' bit
[16:07] <knome> heh
[16:07]  * knome looks
[16:21] <SergioMeneses> morning!
[16:28] <SergioMeneses> balloons, chilicuil phillw \o
[16:32] <balloons> SergioMeneses, aloha
[16:32] <balloons> UDS is in high gear
[16:32] <SergioMeneses> balloons, I cant be present this morning :S
[16:33] <balloons> no worries
[16:34]  * SergioMeneses hugs balloons
[16:48] <chilicuil> SergioMeneses: good morning =)
[16:59]  * balloons hugs SergioMeneses
[18:37] <pitti> jibel: what does that want to tell me?
[18:37] <pitti> $ sudo bin/otto -i ~/download/ubuntu/saucy-desktop-amd64.iso start
[18:37] <pitti> usage: otto [-h] [-d] {create,destroy,start,stop,help} ...
[18:37] <pitti> otto: error: argument cmd_name: invalid choice: '/home/martin/download/ubuntu/saucy-desktop-amd64.iso' (choose from 'create', 'destroy', 'start', 'stop', 'help')
[18:37] <pitti> oh, obviously that I can't read --help output, sorry
[18:38] <pitti> jibel: nice warning about g-session already running
[18:48] <jibel> pitti, this is the default error format of argparse, I haven't read its doc for a while, I'll see if it can be made more human readable.
[18:48] <pitti> jibel: nah, I just put the -d before the start
[18:49] <pitti> jibel: as soon as IRC lets me go, I'll try this
[18:58] <pitti> jibel: awesome!
[18:58] <pitti> jibel: that works really nicely
[19:01] <pitti> jibel: one question, why does it use bsdtar and unsquashfs instead of simply loop-mounting the iso? is that because of the loop device leaks?
[19:02] <pitti> jibel: I have an idea about that (but will try tomorrow)
[19:04] <pitti> that would avoid having to copy the .squashfs file to /var/cache/otto/
[19:04] <jibel> pitti, good to know :) yes, it's to avoid loop-mounting the files not really the device leak, essentially a matter of taste
[19:05] <pitti> especially on smaller/slower devices (like the n7), copying the extra .8 GB around is noticeable
[19:05] <pitti> so I'm wondering if (recursive) loop-mounting would be bad in any way
[19:05] <pitti> jibel: but anyway, details (for tomorrow)
[19:05] <pitti> jibel: it's magic!
[19:06] <pitti> I even see plymouth
[19:06] <jibel> pitti, added you to https://launchpad.net/~otto-dev if you want push fixes during the night ;)
[19:06] <pitti> shutdown doesn't work in multiiple ways, but again, details
[19:06] <pitti> jibel: well, I think I'll go for MPs at first
[19:07] <pitti> jibel: I'm somewhat allergic to running commands through shell (subprocess.getstatusoutput and the like), but I don't want to trample over your code
[19:07] <pitti> jibel: so, big thanks for this, this is a really nice and quick way to test something on an iso with full hw access
[19:08]  * pitti donne une accolade à jibel
[19:08]  * jibel donne en retour une accolade à pitti :)
[19:09] <jibel> pitti, glad you like it, but again it's only a couple of days of coding so any improvement is welcome
[19:10] <pitti> jibel: would you like me to investigate the double loop-mount approach, or is that something you already tried and rejected?
[19:11] <jibel> pitti, of course you can, I'm on the customization of the target container and tomorrow I'll be working on collecting log files during a run
[19:16] <pitti> jibel: great, so I'll play around with that tomorrow morning, before UDS
[19:16]  * pitti waves good night
[21:26] <phillw> balloons: yay! we have a fix for Lubuntu Software Center :D
[21:30] <balloons> woot
[21:39] <phillw> yup, Jorg worked out the error (LSC worked fine when installed on xubuntu) and tracked it back from there. Fantastic work from a guy who came onto the lubuntu facebook account not more than 48 hours earlier to ask wht LSC was under threat :D
[21:41] <phillw> elfy: by the way, if xubuntu want a low resource GUI for software center, LSC works fine... you may want to re-brand it though :D
[21:42] <elfy> thanks for letting me know
[21:42] <elfy> I think we started looking at that at one point - but then I went awol
[21:43] <Noskcaj> phillw, you could always rename it "light software centre"
[21:43]  * SergioMeneses is back
[21:44] <phillw> elfy: stephen and his friend did a lot of work on getting up and running. But, as happens, they have moved on which left LSC facing being abandonware as my attempts to secure a competent python programmer failed. Then, at the last hour... one dropped by... You really cannot make this sort of story up, as no one would believe you :D
[21:45] <elfy> :)
[21:45] <phillw> Noskcaj: I'm sure that Julien would have no objections to that if xubuntu want to include it.
[21:46] <phillw> two teams using it would increase the chances of always having an active maintainer (or two!).
[21:48] <knome> phillw, i assume that would come with the maintaining burden..
[21:52] <SergioMeneses> only two maintainer?
[21:52] <phillw> knome: it would mean having someone familiar with python available should Jorg leave.
[21:52] <knome> my brain converts that to maintaining burden
[21:53] <phillw> knome: okies. I  was just a thought :)
[21:53] <phillw> *It*
[21:53] <knome> hihi, what a typo
[21:54] <phillw> memo to self... do not try to type when pouring out a glass of wine :D
[21:54] <knome> at the same time? wow... :)
[21:55] <SergioMeneses> lol
[21:57] <phillw> knome: anyways, the guy said it worked fine when installed in xubuntu, but not as default in lubuntu. That allowed him to track down the bug :D Have a look at it in xubuntu and see if it would fit in with your existing systems for installing / removing stuff via GUI without using synaptic package manager
[21:58] <knome> well we're using USC right now
[21:58] <knome> it's not perfect, but at least we're not maintaining it..
[21:58] <phillw> knome: USC is pretty heavy on resources, too much so for lubuntu to use.
[21:59] <knome> i see your point, and agree. i've purged USC myself..
[22:00] <phillw> give LSC a try, you may even find it tollerable... I know we on here tend to use command line, but the users do not :D
[22:04] <phillw> knome: btw, what games does xubuntu ship with as default?
[22:06] <knome> phillw, not many... i can't name them, but look at the seed :)
[22:07] <phillw> I do keep meaning to bookmark where the seeds are.... link, please? :)
[22:08] <knome> i haven't got it bookmarked either  :P
[22:08] <Noskcaj> phillw, soduko and minesweeper
[22:08] <Noskcaj> maybe just minesweeper
[22:08] <phillw> lol
[22:09] <knome> both
[22:09] <knome> and probably one more
[22:09] <Noskcaj> knome, no, just those two.
[22:09] <knome> okay
[22:10] <knome> i remember we dropped some before we changed to a USB sized ISO to keep under the limit
[22:15] <phillw> knome: so, lubuntu is once alone... the only flavour on a CD :/ It's getting lonely out here in space :D
[22:16] <Noskcaj> phillw, netboot is still a cd sized image ;)
[22:16] <Noskcaj> i'm off to school, bye
[22:17] <phillw> knome: do you have a link to your meeting last night? I understand it was not help via vUDS
[22:17] <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-May/008904.html
[22:17] <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-May/008906.html
[22:17] <knome> for yesterday and today
[22:22] <phillw> thanks!
[22:52] <phillw> balloons: when you get chance, I cannot add in http://pastebin.com/2Fs1FzFZ as a comment on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfy_GxKHL0M&feature=youtu.be ? Am I using the wrong link, should it be linked to http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21754/community-s-lubuntu-work-items/ and if so, can people view the etherpad without having to sign up?
[22:52] <knome> phillw, they can't, they need to be in the etherpad users group
[22:53] <phillw> knome: hmm, is there a way to add a pastebin to a you-tube video?
[22:54] <knome> phillw, i imagine you can always edit the description of the video if you're the posted
[22:54] <knome> *poster
[22:54] <knome> or you should be able to comment once you log in to youtube/google
[22:55] <phillw> I can comment, but it refuses to allow me to add the link to pastebin area...
[22:55] <knome> weird
[22:55] <knome> how are you trying to add it?
[22:55] <knome> as a html tag or just the address as plaintext?
[22:56] <phillw> I have an you-tube account. I tried to add it as html
[22:56] <knome> try as plaintext
[22:56] <knome> i think youtube converts urls to links automatically
[23:00] <phillw> knome: it seems I have cookie problem.... switching now to a REAL browser... Ffox. There are times when Chromium REALLY gets my goat up!
[23:00] <knome> :)
[23:02] <phillw> may the good Lord protect the team about to switch to chromium as their default... lubuntu are heading in the other direction now that FFox has been put on a diet!
[23:05] <phillw> he he... launching FFox and using my gmail address caused it to request the 6 digit code sent to my mobile (cell) phone.... Gotta love the guys who look after my email account!


[07:32] <webczat> Hey, what's the general status of kde accessibility?
[09:34] <AlanBell> maco: my upgraded machine can't pronounce oneiric, but a fresh install on a virtual machine can. Any idea what is going on?
[09:40] <AlanBell> never mind maco, I think I broke it
[12:52] <webczat> Again, is kde accessible?
[12:58] <AlanBell> maco: ^^
[12:59] <AlanBell> or valorie
[19:57] <valorie> webczat: we're working on it
[19:57] <valorie> the folks in #kde-accessibility might be more specific
[19:57] <valorie> :-)


[07:28] <clungemonkey> hello
[07:28] <clungemonkey> anyone here
[08:07] <clungemonkey> so
[08:07] <clungemonkey> I'm still getting this error
[08:07] <clungemonkey> util.py[WARNING]: Failed to set the hostname to salt-test7.novalocal (salt-test7)
[08:08] <clungemonkey> bugzilla says its fixed
[08:08] <clungemonkey> but no
[08:08] <clungemonkey> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=964006
[08:11] <clungemonkey> hello who's here
[15:47] <nacc> clungemonkey: i would expect this to be a place to discuss upstream cloud-init, seems like you should contact RH for support if you're on RHEL7?


[07:45] <Alexia_Death_> Hands up wo is going to LGM?
[07:45] <tjaalton> LGM?
[08:13] <bryce> libre graphics meeting
[08:13] <crevette> hello
[08:14] <bryce> heya
[08:14] <tjaalton> hi bryce
[08:14] <bryce> hi tjaalton
[08:14] <tjaalton> when the new kernel upload is in the archive, I'll upload libdrm/mesa/-intel
[08:24] <bryce> night
[12:28] <tjaalton> wow, usplash totally hosed my nvidia based ws
[13:46] <tjaalton> ogra_: pitti has uploaded a new hal that'll default using evdev for touchpads, could you try and see how it works?
[13:47] <ogra_> tjaalton, sure ... though we dont have any way to calibrate yet (and i dont have a jaunty setup atm (working with my arms deeply in ARM stuff :) )
[13:48] <ogra_> so i cnt promise i can do it right away
[13:49] <tjaalton> sure, no rush
[13:49] <tjaalton> just that you know it's out there :)
[14:01] <tjaalton> hmm, nouveau-kernel-source already includes the drm headers..
[14:04] <tjaalton> ..but unusable for the ddx driver
[20:09] <TomJaeger> Hi.  Is anybody here running the closed-source nvidia or ati driver?  You could do me a huge favor.  It'll only take a few seconds.
[20:13] <TomJaeger> Basically, I'd need someone to run the test program attached to this comment: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/217908/comments/33
[20:14] <TomJaeger> For the open-source drivers, I could just look at the source (they're all broken - except for intel, but trivial to fix)
[20:16] <TomJaeger> Also, is there a way to give me power over the bug -- there's quite a few status changes that I'd like to make
[20:20] <TomJaeger> nevermind, I see I can actually change things
[21:59] <tjaalton> uh oh.. what is dontzap?
[22:07] <jcristau> tjaalton: wondered the same thing. seems weird to put that kind of stuff in an own package, but oh well..
[22:07] <tjaalton> jcristau: yeah.. I thought the x-kit stuff was enough
[22:08] <tjaalton> or would be, when it's released
[22:09] <tjaalton> I also noticed that mandriva has actually patched their xserver to not care about the ABI for nvidia/fglrx
[22:10] <raof> But I see (new) glitches with nvidia + IgnoreABI.  Are these not related at all?
[22:10] <jcristau> who knows...
[22:10] <tjaalton> raof: what kind?
[22:10] <raof> tjaalton: Parts of windows being painted entirely black.
[22:11] <tjaalton> raof: so nouveau_drm.h is all that's needed for libdrm-dev?
[22:11] <raof> tjaalton: I believe I listed all the necessary files on the bug.  nouveau_drm is one, but there are more, I think.
[22:11] <tjaalton> the rest seems to be specific to the drm driver
[22:11] <tjaalton> a bug?
[22:12] <raof> tjaalton: I commented on the "please remove these from libdrm-dev" bug; it was open at the time?
[22:12] <tjaalton> raof: ok, well I checked the headers and _drm.h should be the only one that the ddx driver uses
[22:13] <raof> Cool.
[22:13] <tjaalton> they all are also in the kernel-source package, and used by the drm driver
[22:14] <tjaalton> but _drm.h should be the only one for userspace
[22:27] <andersk> raof: the nvidia compiz problem is bug 269904.  It seems to be a design flaw in the DAMAGE protocol; see Aaron Plattner's comment.
[22:28] <raof> andersk: I don't think that's it; this only turned up in -180
[22:28] <raof> At least, I only _remember_ this turning up in 180
[22:29] <andersk> I hadn't seen it in 177, but I was also using different PowerMizer settings then.  It seems to happen more often in low power mode.
[22:30] <raof> Thinking of PowerMizer... :(
[22:30] <raof> Wouldn't it be great if the whole screen didn't flash black whenever the card changes state?
[22:31] <andersk> Well, that's in fact why I had been using different PowerMizer settings.
[22:31]  * raof would accept a nouveau driver that resumed from suspend, too.
[22:31] <raof> andersk: Locking it on minimal?  How does one do that?
[22:34] <andersk> I put this into a new file in /etc/modprobe.d:
[22:34] <andersk> options nvidia NVreg_RegistryDwords="PerfLevelSrc=0x2222"
[22:34] <andersk> But I forget whether that locks it on minimal or on maximal.
[22:35] <raof> Aaah.


[13:47] <cmagina> should the hwe kernel be installed by default when doing a netboot install using the trusty-updates installer?


[12:56] <Adri2000> I'm going to request a sync to have a new upstream version of a package, no ubuntu change. do I need an ack from a MOTU?
[01:01] <geser> let me check my old bugs
[01:03] <geser> Adri2000: yes, you need an ACK (if nothing has changed)
[01:04] <Adri2000> geser: ok, then I will need you soon :
[02:01] <shawarma> Hmm.... question: I was just looking at how DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS are (not) handled and I stumbled upon Makefile in the New Maintainer's guide (from Debian) (Section 4.4 in http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html). Can we all agree that the CFLAGS will be totally ignored during the build using that Makefile?
[02:01] <Toadstool> re
[02:01] <shawarma> CFLAGS are set as a variable in the Makefile, but in the build target, $(MAKE) is called with no CFLAGS=$(CFLAGS) or anything, so it's effectively discarded, right?
[02:02] <Toadstool> nope
[02:02] <shawarma> Toadstool: How come?
[02:03] <Toadstool> oh... wait
[02:03] <shawarma> I know that CFLAGS are respected by the built in %.o: %.c targets, but here we're calling an external make.
[02:03] <Minsc37> Hi everyone
[02:03] <shawarma> Minsc37: hello
[02:04] <Minsc37> I've a piece of software that I've developed, and I'm wondering whether it could be added to the Ubuntu repositories.
[02:04] <Toadstool> shawarma: yeah, well, looks like you're right
[02:04] <shawarma> If it's not evil, bring it on. :-)
[02:04] <crimsun> yes, they're discarded.
[02:04] <Minsc37> Who would I talk to about whether it's acceptable?
[02:05] <shawarma> Minsc37: Us. :-)
[02:05] <Minsc37> Excellent :-)
[02:05] <crimsun> Minsc37: see the topic regarding revu.
[02:05] <Minsc37> Last I checked, there was a package of an irc client written in Ruby
[02:06] <Minsc37> I discovered that package when I was just about finished coding my own irc client in Ruby. With my personal bias, I think mine is better :)
[02:06] <shawarma> crimsun: I thought so. This seems to be a common mistake. Even our GTK packages discards it even though D_B_O are parsed in debian/rules..
[02:06] <Minsc37> It's mostly just a backend though, in that the user interface is plain text. I'm thinking of doing something with ncurses, but I'd want to know if it could get in before I start spending time on this project again
[02:07] <crimsun> Minsc37: if you're active in developing it (fixing bugs, etc.), certainly.
[02:07] <shawarma> crimsun: ...which sucks a** since it it takes forever to rebuild the thing.
[02:08] <Minsc37> Well, it was finished a few months ago, but I only started thinking about this recently. I'd have to get back into it
[02:10] <Minsc37> So, to see if I understand you, if I'm actively developing it, it will get in, even if, heaven forbid, it were worse than the current ruby irc client package?
[02:11] <crimsun> "will" is quite strong.
[02:11] <Minsc37> Heh
[02:11] <crimsun> if you have an active development presence and work with the Debian packaging, it's much more likely to enter the Ubuntu repositories.
[02:12] <crimsun> you can either attempt to get it into Debian (recommended), or you can attempt to get it into Ubuntu directly.
[02:12] <Minsc37> The program is very cross-platform, so either would be feasible, I suppose
[02:13] <shawarma> Minsc37: You'd have to jump through hoops to make it only work on one of either Debian or Ubuntu. :-)
[02:13] <Minsc37> Heheh
[02:14] <shawarma> the thing just is that stuff gets automatically imported from Debian, so if you get it into Debian, we don't have to do a thing. :-)
[02:14] <Minsc37> Awesome! So then, could you point me in the right direction for getting stuff into Debian?
[02:15] <shawarma> Minsc37: mentors.debian.org
[02:15] <Adri2000> mentors.debian.net :)
[02:16] <shawarma> Oh, right.
[02:16] <Minsc37> There we go. :-)
[02:16] <Minsc37> Thanks!
[02:16] <Toadstool> hmm, etch is frozen, isn't it?
[02:16] <Adri2000> it is
[02:19] <Toadstool> hmm, I think you can still try to get your package uploaded to Debian, it will just stay stucked in NEW for a little longer than usual (which can be pretty long anyway :p)
[02:20] <crimsun> at this point, it may be easier to just get it into Ubuntu
[02:20] <Toadstool> sure
[02:20] <shawarma> crimsun: Isn't it always? :-)
[02:20] <kgoetz> heh
[02:20] <crimsun> depends on the DD you poke
[02:20] <kgoetz> 'just' get stuck in NEW... i like the wording ;P
[02:21] <shawarma> crimsun: I suppose. Can DD's just upload new packages at will?
[02:21] <crimsun> essentially.
[02:22] <shawarma> crimsun: Well, essentially any MOTU can also upload a new package, but we have rules for that sort of thing. Are there no such rules in Debian?
[02:22] <crimsun> originally, new universe source packages needed 2 ubuntu-dev approvals, but it has been ... fluid lately
[02:22] <shawarma> I see.
[02:22] <shawarma> I didn't know that.
[02:23] <Toadstool> crimsun: hmm? fluid? :)
[02:23] <Adri2000> MOTU needed at bug #77379
[02:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 77379 in wesnoth "Please sync wesnoth (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77379
[02:23] <crimsun> one of items for discussion by the MC will be dropping that requirement to just one approval
[02:23] <crimsun> Toadstool: apparently some have been uploaded without two approvals
[02:25] <shawarma> crimsun: Sounds sane enough. An "outsider" can get a package in with two approvals so why shouldn't the same hold for MOTU's? (I'm assuming the uploader approves his own upload :-) )
[02:27] <crimsun> Adri2000: upstart is one, but it's exceptional.
[02:27] <Adri2000> graphviz-cairo (2.8-1) edgy; urgency=low
[02:27] <Adri2000>   * Initial packaging
[02:27] <Adri2000> -- mdz
[02:28] <crimsun> yeah, we won't hold that against one of the head canonical honchos.
[02:28] <Adri2000> :)
[02:30] <shawarma> Perhaps he expects to upload it to Debian as-is..
[02:31] <shawarma> Nah, that wouldn't work with "edgy" in the distro..
[02:46] <Minsc37> Yargh, I've got to disconnect. Thanks for the advice shawarma and crimsun :-)
[02:46] <Minsc37> Hopefully I'll see you again
[02:46] <kgoetz> where should i look for info on how configure and configure.in are different, or what their different purposes are?
[02:50] <Toadstool> kgoetz: http://www-src.lip6.fr/homepages/Alexandre.Duret-Lutz/autotools.html <-- here
[02:50] <kgoetz> Toadstool: thanks
[02:57] <bddebian> Heya
[02:57] <bddebian> +gang :)
[02:57] <kgoetz> hi :)
[02:58] <bddebian> Heya kgoetz
[02:58] <crimsun> that's messed up. I saw "+gang" and immediately thought of where it would fit in a launchpad.net URL.
[02:58] <kgoetz> bddebian: how are you?
[02:58] <bddebian> crimsun: Heh
[02:58] <kgoetz> lol crimsun
[02:58] <bddebian> kgoetz: OK, thx. You?
[02:58] <kgoetz> bddebian: going good, but i'm about to send myself insane
[02:59] <kgoetz> so its been nice knowing you ;)
[03:00] <bddebian> Uhm, OK :)
[03:00] <kgoetz> hehe
[03:00] <crimsun> most of us are certifiable already
[03:01] <bddebian> That's no joke :)
[03:01] <crimsun> :)
[03:01] <kgoetz> :)
[03:22] <jdong> that was... not fun
[03:22] <crimsun> now try fielding bug reports for them.
[03:23] <bddebian> heh
[03:25] <jdong> :)
[03:27] <jdong> now, back to watching casino royale, courtesy of ffmpeg/cygwin :)
[03:50] <crimsun> Amaranth: as a heads-up in case you don't track git, alsa 1.0.14rc1 has been merged into feisty's git, so you'll see it the next go-round (2.6.20-3.x)
[03:50] <Amaranth> ooh
[03:50] <Amaranth> no more windows on my laptop, yay (hopefully)
[05:11] <joejaxx> is there a list of target architectures?
[05:11] <joejaxx> somewhere?
[08:46] <Lathiat> i had a usb scanner from a couple years back that i hadnt used since
[08:46] <Lathiat> worked on linux back then, got dropped while moving
[08:47] <Lathiat> didnt work when i tried it ia ssumed it was bust so i got a new one similar model
[08:47] <Lathiat> turns out the drivers broken :/
[08:47] <kgoetz> :\
[08:49] <Zic_> hello I can't resolve the problem of my package, somebody can take a look ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3762 :) thanks
[08:50] <Zic_> (not the problem of licence for the moment, just the failled pbuild ...)
[08:50] <Zic_> failed*
[08:51] <Lathiat> in fact looks like xsane might be the culprit
[08:54] <Lathiat> gah
[08:54] <Lathiat> looks like when you choose a device in both kooka and xsane it doesnt work and picks the first one
[08:54] <Lathiat> the driver in fact works fine
[08:54] <Lathiat> that is annoying :)
[08:54] <Lathiat> oh well
[10:06] <crimsun> superm1: I'll re-checkout mythtv/ubuntu in a bit.
[10:07] <superm1> crimsun, cool okay
[10:07] <superm1> very minor changes to both for the changelogs
[10:07] <superm1> your builds went okay though earlier?
[10:07] <crimsun> yes, but I wasn't going to upload them without discussing with you
[10:07] <crimsun> I can't test them here anyhow
[10:08] <giskard> morning
[10:08] <superm1> ah of course
[10:08] <enyc> giskard: evening
[10:08] <crimsun> morning/evening
[10:09] <superm1> i don't have a feisty testing system, just a VM that i've verified that they install and the frontend package works.  my testing method for them has been to rebuild for edgy and install on an edgy system after building for feisty
[10:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72602 in qpsmtpd "qpsmtpd should create /var/run/qpsmtpd in init.d (/var/run/ is tmpfs)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[10:12] <crimsun> enyc: it's no surprise that no one in u-u-s has replied
[10:12] <crimsun> enyc: the contact email for u-u-s currently goes to just one person, Sarah
[10:13] <crimsun> (it formerly spammed all of ubuntu-dev)
[10:14] <enyc> crimsun: bah!
[10:14] <kgoetz> lol
[10:14] <enyc> crimsun: so how do we get this sorted? (mail list) ?
[10:15] <crimsun> u-u-s bug email contact is being sorted in the new year, probably, as many of the canonical staff are on vacation
[10:15] <crimsun> the debdiff itself looks sane; I'll apply it
[10:16] <enyc> crimsun: somebody else said they thought that dpatch in there is not good for patching debian/ ... but the dpatch method was what sistpoty 'told' me to do for this
[10:17] <crimsun> enyc: normally it's not the preferred way, since you're only touching debian/*
[10:17] <enyc> crimsun: right well the problem is i dont have a devtools-user-manual with all these proceduces in it
[10:18] <crimsun> enyc: that's fine; you'll learn as you go
[10:18] <enyc> crimsun: note that it would be good to aply the same dpatch to the edgy and dapper versions
[10:18] <enyc> crimsun: appaerntly dis best to submit the fix for latest repository first
[10:19] <crimsun> you should file SRU proposals for them.
[10:19] <enyc> is there an ubuntu-wiki pacge about SRU? ;-)
[10:19] <crimsun> yes.
[10:19] <enyc> Or do I need to loarn this the same way ;-)
[10:20] <crimsun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU
[10:20] <crimsun>   qpsmtpd_0.32-4ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[10:20] <crimsun> Successfully uploaded packages.
[10:21] <crimsun> bug 72602
[10:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72602 in qpsmtpd "qpsmtpd should create /var/run/qpsmtpd in init.d (/var/run/ is tmpfs)" [Low,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72602
[10:22] <enyc> crimsun: yay!!!
[10:22] <enyc> crimsun: hrrm now reading the "when" on SRU wiki....
[10:22] <crimsun> hrm, 4:22a. should sleep.
[10:23] <enyc> crimsun: this does not fit the "when" . this bug makes the package unusable basically... i.e. after any reboot it wont start!
[10:24] <enyc> crimsun: thankyou thankyou ;-)
[10:27] <enyc> crimsun: I think i can follow the SRU procedure now
[10:28] <crimsun> not yet, have to process mythtv.
[10:29] <enyc> crimsun: ok
[10:32] <enyc> crimsun: looks like I should be creating simelar debdiff to  edgy and dapper source versions (could evern create for breezy bot not sure if worth doing) with SRU explanation and then subscribe the SRU team
[10:34] <crimsun> essentially, yes. You need a separate bug report for each proposed SRU.
[10:34] <enyc> crimsun: now you have somehow submitted the patch... should it now get rebuilt for feisty somewhere... and appear in packages.ubuntu.com etc. automatically ?
[10:35] <enyc> crimsun: (for feisty)
[10:36] <crimsun> yes, it will appear in feisty shortly
[10:36] <crimsun> well, if the soyuz grue hasn't eaten my upload
[10:36] <ciplogic> Hi everyone... I want to contribute to Ubuntu and I can spare 2 hours by day. I am mainly a C++ developper  but I have basic knowledge of C#/mono. Who I should contact, who needs me? :)
[10:37] <crimsun> ...which it has.
[10:38] <ciplogic> My email adress is ciprian dot mustiata at yahoo dot com
[10:40] <crimsun> ciplogic: see the topic for getting involved.
[10:40] <ciplogic> crimsun: thanks
[10:41] <crimsun> hmph.
[10:44] <crimsun> strange. I've never had an upload eaten -twice- in a row...
[10:45] <enyc> crimsun: hrrm dont know what you mean
[10:45] <crimsun> enyc: not your issue
[10:45] <enyc> crimsun: sure
[10:45] <enyc> crimsun: R.E. feis-ty qpsmtpd now you have somehow submitted the patch... should it now get rebuilt for feisty somewhere... and appear in packages.ubuntu.com etc. automatically ?  // how long?
[10:46] <crimsun> enyc: it depends whether soyuz is actually processing uploads. I've uploaded three times; they've all apparently gone somewhere to /dev/null
[10:46] <enyc> crimsun: bah
[10:46] <crimsun> strange, since my gaim upload several hours ago was processed just fine.
[10:47] <enyc> crimsun: im not having too much luck here lol
[10:47] <crimsun> meh, I'll look at it in the morning.
[10:47] <enyc> crimsun: ok solong as you remember ;-)
[10:47] <crimsun> the bug is assigned to me; I'm sure I'll remember
[10:47] <enyc> crimsun: ok thankyou ;-)
[10:47] <enyc> crimsun: erm
[10:51] <enyc> crimsun: ?am I to assume that the use of a dpatch does not matter for this  but I ll not use it in the same circumstance for similar fix (debian/) in future ?
[10:52] <crimsun> enyc: correct.
[10:52] <enyc> crimsun: thankyou for all your comments
[10:52] <crimsun> np
[10:53] <enyc> ;-)
[11:02] <Sp4rKy> hi there
[11:20] <superm1> crimsun, i was going to get to bed, but before i did - do you have any other comments/questions/concerns about the mythtv packages?
[11:20] <StevenK> What's the new version (Just curious)
[11:21] <superm1> StevenK, its 0.20-fixes checkout
[11:21] <superm1> 0.20-svn120906 i think
[11:21] <superm1> er 0.20-svn20061209
[11:21] <StevenK> Heh
[11:22] <StevenK> elkbuntu: Real soon now. :-)
[11:22] <elkbuntu> hehe
[11:22] <superm1> StevenK, myth user?  or possibly looking to be a contributor? or just curious?
[11:26] <palski> when the same package version is moved to feisty is it recompiled at all?
[11:27] <superm1> palski, it is once the initial feisty buildchain is setup
[11:27] <palski> ok, thanks
[11:28] <crimsun> superm1: not really. I'm holding off uploading things until the soyuz issue is straightened out.
[11:29] <superm1> crimsun, okay.  well my main concern was if the things that i was doing with the ubuntu-mythtv-frontend metapackage were kosher to be doing
[11:32] <crimsun> superm1: I'll look closer this afternoon; I'm much too tired to trust reviewing.
[11:33] <superm1> aye.  okay i'll catch up with you later then.  off to bed for me :)
[11:33] <crimsun> same here.
[11:33] <superm1> thanks for looking and the comments earlier, night.
[11:34] <crimsun> np
[11:47] <StevenK> Hrm. It seems I can't sing in time.
[11:48] <StevenK> Or maybe, just plain can't sing.
[11:53] <elkbuntu> hehe.. TheMuso isnt happy with his recording either
[11:56] <StevenK> I'm less than happy with mine.
[01:16] <Hobbsee> windows *sucks* for dvd playing.
[01:17] <Hobbsee> it appears that now you have to run a codec to play a dvd!
[01:19] <tsmithe> Hobbsee, i know! it's terrible
[01:19] <tsmithe> and it won't play xvid either without loads of searching
[01:19] <tsmithe> and even then you often have to pay
[01:21] <kgoetz> *waves to Hobbsee *
[01:23] <Adri2000> MOTU needed at bug #77379
[01:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 77379 in wesnoth "Please sync wesnoth (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77379
[01:23] <Adri2000> just to ack the sync please :)
[01:26] <raphink> Hobbsee talks about windows ??!!
[01:28] <Adri2000> thanks geser :)
[01:28] <geser> Adri2000: np
[03:41] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:46] <tsmithe> h bddebian
[03:46] <tsmithe> hmm
[03:46] <tsmithe> that should've been hi
[03:46] <bddebian> Hello tsmithe
[06:03] <soulrider> hi
[06:03] <soulrider> the Filelight package in the repositories is old, and the one in the debian repositories is old
[06:03] <soulrider> theres a new version that doesnt crash available
[06:04] <soulrider> is it posible for someone to upload it tot he repos ?
[06:48] <tsmithe> argh! liblame-dev is broken...
[08:22] <\sh> moins
[08:22] <nixternal> oi \sh!
[08:24] <\sh> nixternal: hey ... hope you had a nice time during xmas :)
[08:25] <nixternal> i got some needed sleep for sure :)
[08:25] <nixternal> how was your holiday?
[08:25] <\sh> still very relaxing...much sleep...much love...and very good food :)
[08:26] <nixternal> oh ya, the food was definitely plenitful
[08:47] <luckyone> hello all, I wanted to ask about a 64-binary for Mozilla Sunbird
[08:48] <luckyone> as an xfce user, Orage is 'neat' but I am looking for something a bit more flashy


[07:31] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:56] <cyborgcygnus> Where to ask about Ubuntu for Mobiles?
[09:09] <Aki-Thinkpad> mmm is there a 14.10 image?
[09:09] <Aki-Thinkpad> !14.10
[09:09] <lordievader> Aki-Thinkpad: There seems to be: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/315/builds
[09:10] <Aki-Thinkpad> lordievader, hey look at that
[09:10] <Aki-Thinkpad> thanks
[09:56] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:01] <cyborgcygnus> !mobile
[10:02] <cyborgcygnus> !ubuntu edge
[10:02] <cyborgcygnus> !ubuntu-edge
[10:02] <cyborgcygnus> !fartbuntu
[13:49] <Koma> ~1&&&1


[04:08] <KWkQ9i8> What log files show what files are have been accessed by a user on the system?  (ubuntu)
[13:16] <jbicha> ricotz: ok that was fast, vala 0.38.4 is in experimental now
[14:41] <jbicha> ricotz: https://github.com/radare/valabind/issues/43
[14:41] <jbicha> "can you point to a bug number?" "yes" 😒
[14:43] <ricotz> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788837
[14:43] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 788837 in general "valabind can't build on vala 0.38 because it requires CCodeBaseModule (aka codegen apis)" [Normal,New]
[14:48] <ricotz> jbicha, although, as mentioned, looking into this further is low priority on my side
[17:50] <o_a> Hello, all. Natural scrolling doesn't seem to be working for me. I turned it on in the configs, but nothing changed. Help?
[17:55] <o_a> Hello, all
[19:00] <jbicha> ricotz: https://launchpad.net/~jbicha/+archive/ubuntu/vala38/+packages?batch=185 looks pretty good
[19:01] <jbicha> you can ignore fso, gnome-shell-pomodoro, indicator-sound, libindicate, libunity and meson
[19:02] <jbicha> that leaves a11y-profile-manager, indicator-keyboard, and valabind
[21:28] <ricotz> jbicha, a11y-profile-manager: just drop "PKG_CHECK_MODULES([VALADOC], [valadoc-1.0 >= 0.23.2])" this is overkill
[21:29] <ricotz> indicator-keyboard: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1000459
[21:30] <jbicha> thanks!
[21:33] <jbicha> my initial thinking is we'll wait until we can kick valabind & radare2 out of testing and then do the transition in Debian to get it auto-synced to Ubuntu
[22:16] <ricotz> jbicha, don't depend on libvaladoc-dev but valadoc
[22:17] <ricotz> valadoc source package should be removed when vala 0.38.x lands
[22:17] <jbicha> I'm working on that now
[22:18] <jbicha> the configure.ac was a bit broken but I think I've fixed it
[22:19] <ricotz> ok
[22:28] <jbicha> https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/indicator-keyboard/vala38/+merge/335107
[22:29] <jbicha> seb128 wants me to wait a day or two before self-approving Unity merge proposals in case someone might want to review them
[23:51] <ubululu> Hello, so I have a very interesting bug, I'm using the arc theme (of course) but it's transparency only works in nautilus when I launch nautilus as root, otherwise there's no transparency?
[23:51] <ubululu> its*


[07:10] <tim_> hi guys
[07:10] <tim_> im tim ive just jioned the ubuntu testing launch pad
[07:11] <tim_> can anyone please explain how the process works
[15:41] <moustafa> davmor2, cr3: Good afternoon/morning!
[15:42] <davmor2> moustafa: yo ho ho ho!
[15:44] <moustafa> davmor2: Oh, right, Santa's from the north!
[15:44] <davmor2> Southside 0-m
[15:51] <moustafa> davmor2: thought you were in the northern area of England
[15:52] <davmor2> moustafa: I'm pretty much slap bang in the middle,  The actual center is merriden about an hours drive away
[15:53] <moustafa> davmor2: Huh.  And now I know
[15:55] <davmor2> :)
[16:05] <hakimsheriff> hi evryone
[16:10] <davmor2> hakimsheriff: hello
[16:10] <hakimsheriff> whats going on?
[16:10] <davmor2> A lot of relaxing
[16:10] <hakimsheriff> cool
[16:10] <hakimsheriff> getin ready for x-mas
[16:11] <davmor2> Oh Yesh
[16:11] <hakimsheriff> do you know when the NAtty Alpha 2 will come out?
[16:12] <hakimsheriff> I havent tested anything in a while
[16:15] <charlie-tca> hakimsheriff: february 3
[16:15] <hakimsheriff> cool thx


[01:51] <nentis> hi folks
[01:52] <nentis> I have a thin-client which needs a custom kernel.  What method should I use to compile and install a new client kernel?
[01:52] <nentis> specifically, I need to get rid of the CONFIG_PARAVIRT=y option in the i386 client kernel
[02:30] <kgoetz> nentis: you'll have to create it a seperate chroot probably
[02:31] <nentis> I can't compile a new kernel using the /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/config-2.6.22-14-386 as a base, and throw it into the existing chroot, then run ltsp-update-kernels?
[02:33] <kgoetz> if the other clients dont mind the chang you could yeah
[02:33] <nentis> all clients are the same.  This is a new install.
[02:33] <nentis> ebox 2300SX requires that option be removed.
[09:06] <highvoltage> RichEd: greetings.
[09:06] <LaserJock> ugg is it that late?
[09:06] <RichEd> hello mr carter sir ...
[09:06] <RichEd> and mr LaserJock
[09:06] <RichEd> happy happy merry best etc.
[09:07] <highvoltage> LaserJock: heh
[09:07] <highvoltage> yes, same to the both of you!
[09:09] <LaserJock> RichEd: looks like I got dynamic menus figured out
[09:10] <RichEd> LaserJock: ogra mentioned some success at the (very small & short) meeting on wed
[09:10] <RichEd> can you give me a quick run-down on what can be done with your new feature ... or should I read the spec ?
[09:10] <LaserJock> heh
[09:10] <LaserJock> well I just fixed it
[09:11] <LaserJock> it was complete hosed for a while and I was unsure if it could be reimplemented
[09:11] <LaserJock> but I figured it out with a one-line fix
[09:11] <LaserJock> so now it needs a friendly front-end
[09:12] <LaserJock> perhaps I can get ogra, the pygtk masta, to help there ;-)
[09:12] <RichEd> :) from you ... or are you looking for some labour ?
[09:12] <LaserJock> I've not particularly written a GUI before
[09:12] <LaserJock> although this one should be simple I don't want to promise much
[09:13] <LaserJock> especially since it's 1am and I have a dissertation draft due tomorrow ;-)
[09:14] <highvoltage> LaserJock: how are things with the dissertation?
[09:15] <highvoltage> sounds good if you already have a draft ready :)
[09:15] <RichEd> did you respond to our volunteer guy I mailed you about ? cody ? i wonder if he could get stuck in (with a bit of guidance from an old hand)
[09:16] <LaserJock> RichEd: doh! I forgot. I've know cody for quite some time. I'll try to respond to that email
[09:17] <LaserJock> he's been around the doc team for a long time and is getting his hand into MOTU
[09:17] <LaserJock> not sure if he can code but I'll ask
[09:17] <jsgotangco> hello
[09:17] <LaserJock> highvoltage: *supposed* to have a draft ready
[09:17] <RichEd> hi jsgotangco :)
[09:17] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco
[09:17] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: why are you still awake
[09:17] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:18] <LaserJock> because I'm pulling my hair out trying to work on my dissertation ;-)
[09:18] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:18] <LaserJock> some days I just hate molecules
[09:18] <LaserJock> my drawing program just won't reopen its own files :(
[09:18] <jsgotangco> so i finally bored myself again and decided to build a dev environment again for ubuntu
[09:19] <jsgotangco> as work is mostly boring stuff
[09:19] <highvoltage> LaserJock: aah :)
[09:19] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: don't you have ... something else to do? ;-)
[09:20] <highvoltage> LaserJock: hey, stop that!
[09:20] <jsgotangco> yeah wrap up series 2 of funding then IPO
[09:22] <jsgotangco> is edubuntu getting an lts?
[09:23] <LaserJock> as far as I know yes
[09:23] <LaserJock> Kubuntu's lack thereof was because of KDE4
[09:23] <jsgotangco> LaserJock so when will i be calling you as Dr.
[09:23] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:23] <LaserJock> hopefully May
[09:24] <highvoltage> DrLaserJock
[09:24] <highvoltage> that sounds very evil.
[09:24] <jsgotangco> please do not touch "The Lazer"
[09:25] <LaserJock> that's right ;-)
[09:25] <LaserJock> "that's *Dr* LaserJock to you"
[09:25] <jsgotangco> so will you call your next project the alan parsons project?
[09:26] <LaserJock> hmm, I gotta get Project Seabass finished first :/
[09:26] <LaserJock> sbalneav was supposed to help me with that
[09:27] <jsgotangco> RichEd: how's it going dude
[09:27] <RichEd> jsgotangco: well thanks & self ? (apart from your boring day job that is ?)
[09:28] <jsgotangco> so who's editing the website? me and highvoltage get an occasional email inquiry or two
[09:28] <jsgotangco> they must be still referring to the emails on the website
[09:28]  * highvoltage installed the new theme over the weekend
[09:28] <highvoltage> still needs some work and tweaking and fine-tuning
[09:28] <RichEd> jsgotangco: pips1 ... forward on to him & cc me
[09:29] <highvoltage> we still need a new frontpage though :/
[09:31] <LaserJock> we need .... ACTION!
[09:31]  * LaserJock darts about
[09:57] <LaserJock> night all
[11:57] <stmartin> hi! I want to ask you, how to change directory (cd) to desktop on the terminal?
[11:59] <ogra> cd ~/Desktop
[11:59] <stmartin> ok, thanks
[13:13] <highvoltage> hey ogra, how are you doing?
[13:27] <stmartin> how to play subtitle (.sub file) in movie player?
[13:28] <ogra> highvoltage, fine, ltsp just moved to ubuntu-alternate :)
[13:28] <ogra> so hopefully we can drop edubuntu-server with alpha4 now
[13:35] <highvoltage> ogra: oh wow
[13:35] <highvoltage> ogra: I think the alterante CD should've had an LTSP option ages ago
[13:36] <highvoltage> ogra: but LTSP is probably more ready for the masses now than it was previously
[13:36] <highvoltage> stmartin: I think that question might be more suitable for #ubuntu
[13:37] <ogra> highvoltage, well, it was on there for quite some time .... but not documented and theer was no usable kernel on eth ubuntu CD
[13:37] <ogra> it was only dropped for gutsy
[13:37] <highvoltage> aaah
[13:38] <ogra> i switrched to the -generic kernel and changed some bits in the installer integration
[13:39] <highvoltage> ogra: from the end-user side, will there be anything new in hardy for edubuntu?
[13:39] <ogra> apart from the cds goind away ?
[13:39] <ogra> *going
[13:40] <ogra> well, probably lasers menu stuff
[13:40] <ogra> and italc might be in, not sure yet
[13:41] <ogra> hardy+1 will see big changes, i think for hardy the CD redesign will be enough
[13:41] <ogra> i need to cope with its LTS nature .... so better fix bugs than adding new things
[13:42] <ogra> currently most of my time goes into classmate things anyway
[13:44] <highvoltage> yep
[13:44] <highvoltage> I'm getting a Classmate within the next week or so
[13:44] <highvoltage> if you ever want me to test anything, I'll be happy too
[13:45] <highvoltage> yesterday I got my DSL upgraded to 4mbps, so my life will be much, much easier from now on
[13:45] <ogra> i'll ping you if the image autobuilder is done
[13:45] <ogra> then we get daily images
[13:45] <highvoltage> won't have to wait forever when I download something anymore.
[13:45] <highvoltage> ok cool
[13:45] <ogra> it    will be rsyncable
[13:45] <highvoltage> ++ :)
[13:46] <highvoltage> then it would take a few minutes at most for me to sync :)
[14:34] <pmvalente> hi
[14:35] <pmvalente> as anybody know how do I put sound working on my thin clients
[15:12] <ZeRoMaX> was looking for some help setting up ltsp on ubuntu gutsy
[15:15] <ZeRoMaX> anyone have any experience on setting this up?
[15:16] <stgraber> Lots of people do, but unfortunately that's the same who don't have much time :)
[15:16] <stgraber> Do you have any specific problem with installing LTSP ?
[15:18] <ZeRoMaX> i was having an error with "This workstation isn't authorized to connect to server" and then i updated sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys and sudo ltsp-update-image
[15:18] <ZeRoMaX> now when my client connects i dont see a login screen anymore
[15:18] <stgraber> oh, that's weird
[15:19] <stgraber> what's the last message you see on the screen (if any) ?
[15:19] <ZeRoMaX> i get into initramfs screen instead
[15:20] <stgraber> hmm, ok, what's the last lines of /var/log/syslog on the server ?
[15:20] <stgraber> any nbd error message ?
[15:26] <ZeRoMaX> dhcpack on <IP_ADDRESS> to 00:d0:59:81:a8:4b via eth1
[15:26] <Nubae> hey... does 7.10 not have the groups powerdev and plugdev anymore?
[15:26] <ZeRoMaX> that is the last line in the syslog
[15:29] <stgraber> what's the result of a : ls -lh /opt/ltsp/images/ ?
[15:31] <ZeRoMaX> -rwxr--r-- 1 root toot 140M 2008-01-10 10:18 i386.log
[15:31] <Nubae> I get  message from message bus (dbus) saying that powerdev and plugdev are not recognised groups, is that a change in 7.10?
[15:37] <stgraber> argh, why is it .log ??
[15:37] <stgraber> it should be .img :)
[15:37] <stgraber> ZeRoMaX: try renaming it to i386.img
[15:40] <ZeRoMaX> my mistake its actually i386.img
[15:40] <ZeRoMaX> read it wrong
[16:16] <stgraber> ZeRoMaX: can you check your syslog for any "nbd" or "nbd-server" message, usually when you get an initramfs prompt, it's because it was unable to mount the hdd image over nbd
[16:25] <ZeRoMaX> ndb-server[6052]:connect from <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[16:26] <ZeRoMaX> ndb-server[6052]:connect from <IP_ADDRESS>, assigned file is /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
[16:27] <ZeRoMaX> ndb-server[6052]: size of exported file/device is 146485248
[16:30] <stgraber> hmm, ok so it's not a nbd issue
[16:31] <stgraber> can you try removing splash and silent from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default ?
[16:31] <stgraber> and booting your client again, you should at least see more information
[16:31] <bddebian> Heya
[16:33] <stgraber> hi bddebian
[16:34] <bddebian> Hello stgraber
[16:38] <ZeRoMaX> when i check the eth0 setting on the client i noice the ip address are different
[19:17] <methods[laptop]> how do i install by category ?


[03:19] <CYBORED> I have problems with my network, where it shows me the following error: your connection was interrupted, and this error is not specific to the browser, it is from the operating system and I don't know how to fix it.
[03:20] <CYBORED> help
[03:20] <CYBORED> !!!
[07:03] <hemaToma> xubuntu vs debian?
[14:03] <ZeebraFish20> Is there anyway to change my AppImage .ico ?
[22:07] <amongusimpostor> hi
[22:09] <amongusimpostor> nigger dick


[14:36] <jussi> The ircc session at UDS is coming up in about ~40 mins - remote participate by joining #ubuntu-uds-kazinczy :)
[14:37] <jussi> blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-irc-council and etherpad: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/community-o-irc-council/
[14:38] <LjL> who's there?
[14:38] <IdleOne> and is there a live stream?
[14:39] <tsimpson> live audio stream link in the channel topic
[14:39] <Pici> I can't stream here, but I think the item that I suggested for the agenda doesn't necessarily need my inputer.
[14:42] <IdleOne> tsimpson: which channel?
[14:42] <IdleOne> oh
[14:42] <IdleOne> heh just saw it
[14:43] <ikonia> someone ping when it starts please
[14:43] <IdleOne> will do
[14:44] <tsimpson> starts in 30 mins
[14:45] <ikonia> thanks
[14:48] <Pici> IdleOne: you're still opped fyi
[14:49] <IdleOne> thank you
[14:58] <ikonia> lars is behaving like an idiot again
[15:02] <usr13> You got a live one.
[15:02] <ikonia> usr13: can we help you ?
[15:04] <ikonia> !idle | usr13
[15:08] <ikonia> usr13: could you please respond, or we'll have to remove you from the channel (you would be welcome back if you needed something)
[15:11] <ikonia> could someone please remove usr13
[15:12] <ikonia> thank you
[15:12] <Pici> np
[15:13] <IdleOne> session starting in a few minutes
[15:14] <ikonia> opening audio, thank you


[00:12] <pmatulis> dustinspringman: the hints provided didn't yield any useful results?
[00:32] <dustinspringman> pmatulis: Still haven't been able to track it down... I'm thinking its a script running when a client d'conns.. like maybe in the /etc/ppp/if-down (maybe)...
[00:32] <dustinspringman> something is happening only when a user drops.. it causes a process to run and that process will continue forever if allowed..
[09:21] <Pupeno> What would be the appropriate place to define an environment variable system-wide?
[13:12] <arc__> Hello
[13:13] <arc__> i am some problems with apache2 on ubuntu server 12.04 i keep on getting "404 Not Found"
[13:13] <lordievader> o/
[13:13] <lordievader> arc__: What does your apache error log say about that?
[13:14] <arc__> i dont know how to access the logs ("I feel ashamed")
[13:15] <arc__> FYI i can access phpmyadmin
[13:15] <arc__> but i cant see the default index.html page
[13:15] <RoyK> arc__: /var/log/apache2/
[13:16] <RoyK> arc__: the logs are there
[13:16] <RoyK> 404 means the file doesn't exist
[13:16] <arc__> ahh ok ty Roy
[13:16] <lordievader> arc__: You are probably using a vhost that is wrongly configured.
[13:17] <arc__> ok
[13:17] <arc__> i am using a shared ip
[13:17] <arc__> i have a 100 ports
[13:17] <arc__> which logs do you want to see ?
[13:18] <lordievader> arc__: Do you use multiple vhosts?
[13:18] <arc__> no i have just set this up on a vps
[13:18] <lordievader> arc__: Allright, are you getting the 404 on the root of the website?
[13:19] <arc__> wait i found something in the logs
[13:19] <arc__> it says  "File does not exist: /etc/apache2/htdocs"
[13:19] <arc__> does that help ?
[13:20] <arc__> yea its on the root of the site
[13:20] <lordievader> arc__: Does the default site happen to point to that directory?
[13:20] <arc__> i dont think so
[13:21] <lordievader> With default site I mean /etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default.conf
[13:21] <arc__> -bash: cd: /etc/apache2/htdocs/: No such file or directory
[13:21] <lordievader> Does that vhost definition point to a valid document-root?
[13:21] <RoyK> arc__: there shouldn't be any htdocs under /etc/apache2
[13:22] <RoyK> arc__: web data belongs under /var/www somewhere
[13:22] <RoyK> not in /etc
[13:23] <arc__> here is the file http://paste.ubuntu.com/8279932/
[13:23] <arc__> pwd
[13:23] <arc__> wrong window :)
[13:28] <lordievader> arc__: does "grep htdocs /etc/apache2/sites-available" return anything?
[13:28] <arc__> let me try
[13:28] <arc__> nope
[13:30] <lordievader> arc__: How about "grep htdocs /etc/apache2/conf-available"?
[13:30] <arc__>  grep: /etc/apache2/conf-available: No such file or directory
[13:31] <RoyK> lordievader: grep -r
[13:31] <lordievader> Ah, right: grep -r /etc/apache2
[13:33] <arc__> so i need to grep -r ?
[13:34] <lordievader> arc__: Yes: grep -r /etc/apache2
[13:34] <arc__> ok
[13:35] <arc__> its doing something :)
[13:35] <lordievader> Please pastebin the full output from that command.
[13:36] <arc__> kk
[13:37] <arc__> i think its froze or something
[13:37] <arc__> i will give it time
[13:42] <RoyK> arc__: grep -r /etc/apache2 will wait for input - try grep -r htdocs /etc/apache2
[13:42] <RoyK> arc__: just press ctrl+c on that grep thing
[13:43] <arc__> kk
[13:43] <arc__> nope nothing returned
[13:44] <lordievader> Err right, forgot that part. Sorry.
[13:44] <arc__> np
[13:45] <lordievader> Hmm, then I wonder why it errors with /etc/apache2/htdocs. In /var/log/apache2/access.log what does the 404 line read?
[13:45] <arc__> it must be getting that dir from somewhere
[13:45] <arc__> i havent changed anyting expecpt the ports.conf
[13:49] <arc__> why is it trying to goto htdocs
[13:50] <lordievader> arc__: That's what we are trying to figure out ;)
[13:51] <arc__> sorry i am just mind blow aswell :)
[13:51] <arc__> blown*
[13:53] <RoyK> arc__: reinstall - you probably changed something and forgot about it
[13:53] <arc__> i just installed it 10 mins ago
[13:53] <arc__> and i only changed the ports
[13:55] <arc__> i was on debain and the same thing happened so i installed 12.04
[13:55] <arc__> this is as fresh as it gets
[13:56] <lordievader> arc__: I'd still like to see the 404 line from your access log ;)
[13:56] <arc__> the access logs are blank
[13:57] <arc__> there is nothing inside of that log
[13:57] <arc__> is that wired
[13:57] <lordievader> arc__: That is not supposed to be.
[13:57] <arc__> ahh ok
[13:58] <lordievader> arc__: Jup I'm starting to think there is something definitely wrong with your config.
[13:58] <arc__> ok i will install ubuntu 13.10 and you can take me step by step so you know what i have done
[13:59] <lordievader> Why 13.10? Rather install 14.04.
[13:59] <lordievader> 13.10 is EOL.
[13:59] <arc__> there is no choise for it in the vps os menu
[13:59] <arc__> it goes from 9 to 13.10
[14:00] <arc__> i can reinstall 12.04
[14:00] <lordievader> arc__: Hmm... first purge apache2, make sure all the config is gone. And then reinstall apache.
[14:00] <arc__> i have just reinstalled 12.04
[14:00] <arc__> start fresh
[14:03] <arc__> goto wait 2 mins while it installs
[14:03] <zubairahmed> DocumentRoot /var/www/ ??
[14:05] <arc__> ok i have installed a fresh copy of 12.05
[14:05] <arc__> 12.04 :)
[14:06] <arc__> now i need to install apache 2 mysql and phpmyadmin
[14:06] <arc__> can you take me throught this
[14:07] <zubairahmed> use tasksel
[14:07] <zubairahmed> use tasksel arc__
[14:07] <lordievader> arc__: We'll do one at a time: sudo apt-get install apache2
[14:07] <arc__> kk
[14:08] <arc__> k done
[14:08] <arc__> i need to config my ports
[14:09] <lordievader> arc__: Ok, what do you get when you go to the server's ip address?
[14:09] <arc__> i need to change the port first
[14:09] <arc__> as its a shared ip
[14:09] <lordievader> arc__: Don't forget the vhost.
[14:10] <arc__> ok how do i change the ports
[14:11] <lordievader> arc__: Open /etc/apache2/ports.conf and edit what you need.
[14:11] <arc__> ok
[14:11] <lordievader> Then open /etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default.conf to reflect that change.
[14:13] <arc__> dont you mean default.conf not 000-default.conf
[14:13] <lordievader> arc__: Ah, right Precise still has 2.2
[14:13] <lordievader> Yes that's the one.
[14:13] <arc__> kk what do i change here ?
[14:13] <arc__> as i have change the ports in ports.conf
[14:14] <lordievader> arc__: The line "<VirtualHost *:80>"
[14:15] <arc__> ok do i change that to my new port ?
[14:15] <lordievader> arc__: Yes.
[14:15] <arc__> ok
[14:16] <arc__> ok thats done
[14:16] <arc__> do i restart apache2 now ?
[14:16] <lordievader> arc__: Restart apache2 and go to the servers ip.
[14:16] <arc__> kk
[14:16] <arc__> it works ! yay http://starknw.fr:34780/
[14:16] <arc__> thanks lorkievader
[14:17] <arc__> [Sun Sep 07 18:16:22 2014] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts
[14:18] <arc__> is that normal ?
[14:18] <lordievader> arc__: Do you have another vhost definition (or is that line present in default.conf)?
[14:19] <arc__> ahh ok i forgot to change it in ports.cinf
[14:19] <arc__> conf*
[14:19] <arc__> i have changed it and restarted apache and i dont get the error
[14:20] <arc__> now how do install phpmyadmin and mysql,  lord ?
[14:21] <lordievader> arc__: Same way ;)
[14:21] <arc__> kk
[14:21] <arc__> lol
[14:37] <_1_Jenning> du
[17:51] <teward_> is there a way to configure ubuntu server to prever v4 over v6 as preferred protocol?
[17:52] <teward_> such that things bind to v4 before they bind to v6?
[21:36] <geb_> part
[21:40] <zermanno> Hi, how do i change the locale on ubuntu server 14.04?
[22:01] <gebassetti> part


[00:19] <kwwii> night all
[09:01] <Equiet> mac_v: You are Humanity Icons developer, right?
[09:15] <DanRabbit1> Equiet: I work on Humanity icons as well. What's up?
[09:21] <Equiet> DanRabbit1: Emblems are too away from folder icons. In Human icons I haven't noticed, because there were quite big border.
[09:21] <DanRabbit1> Equiet: can I see a screenshot of what yours look like?
[09:25] <Equiet> http://stelmaria.equiet.operaunite.com/file_sharing/content/Obrazovka-1.png
[09:26] <Equiet> Probably it should be like that, but I don't like it very much.
[09:28] <mac_v> Equiet: yup , bug... we dont like it either ;) > Bug #455879
[09:31] <Equiet> Hm, it looks better in bottom. Brb.
[09:37] <DanRabbit1> Equiet: Don't worry it's being fixed
[09:39] <thorwil> mac_v: so my file handling blog post got 225 views, but it seems nobody wants to discuss it on the list
[09:40] <mac_v> argh :/
[09:42] <mac_v> thorwil: i believe it more due to the holiday season... Alex does another weird thing he usually replies in bulk after several days...
[09:43] <mac_v> thorwil: well , i'll add it to the wave...
[09:44] <DanRabbit1> thorwil: link?
[09:47] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2009/12/11/file-handling/
[09:49] <thorwil> mac_v: which wave?
[09:50] <mac_v> thorwil: just added it to the nautilus wave
[09:50] <thorwil> ah, should have another look at that one
[09:58] <mac_v> mrmcq2u: SiDi is the one i was mentioning about notify-osd log ;)
[09:59] <SiDi> sidi, where?
[10:00] <SiDi> thorwil: whats your blog please?
[10:00] <SiDi> ah, w/e its above :D
[10:00] <SiDi> mac_v: hiya
[10:01] <mac_v> SiDi: hey ;)  mrmcq2u was talking about doing a notification log applet for docky..
[10:03] <SiDi> oh
[10:03] <SiDi> i gave up on the idea actually
[10:03] <SiDi> the first step would be to modify notify-osd's logs to make it possible to parse them (they lack some info at the moment)
[10:04] <mac_v> SiDi: ah.. i thought you got it nearly fully  working
[10:04] <SiDi> the best would be a d-bus service that shares the whole data
[10:04] <SiDi> mac_v: yeah it was working but with a modified notify-osd branch
[10:04] <mac_v> ;)
[10:04] <SiDi> and i couldnt always access the image of a notification
[10:04] <SiDi> only when it had been sent to notify-osd with filename and not with a pixbuf
[10:31] <Equiet> DanRabbit1: Emblem doesn't have to be at the bottom. http://stelmaria.equiet.operaunite.com/file_sharing/content/Obrazovka-1.png
[11:08] <darkmatter> hrmmm... the desktop applet wont right-stick on the panel http://www.flickr.com/photos/92826085@N00/4177952355/   :/
[11:10] <darkmatter> anyone have 'any' clue as to how to get rid of the gap to the right of the glow?
[14:04] <mac_v_> Equiet: the emblem ideas you showed above are not possible
[14:05] <mac_v_> well the second one is possible , but the rest nope
[15:59] <mac_v> has anyone installed Lucid?
[16:05] <zniavre> on vbox only atm
[16:05] <zniavre> x seems broken for some gfx driver as ati/nvidia
[16:05] <mac_v> zniavre: ah... i forgot about vbox
[16:06] <mac_v> i have ATI...
[16:06] <zniavre> i have nvidia ...    ^^
[16:10] <mac_v> zniavre: ah , well.. i'll install Lucid on another partition ... atleast someone's system has to break first to get ATI fixed ;p
[17:23] <darkmatter> bleh.... gnomes down. I was going to grab some goodies from git :(
[17:41] <mrmcq2u> mac-v -damn, the third icon/emblem position would have made previews much easier to implement :D Wondering whether icon designers would mind having to create icons in two parts, front and back
[17:42] <mrmcq2u> mac-v - mac_v
[17:43] <mac_v> mrmcq2u: you are tretle right? i'm trying to come up with a mockup for previews ;)
[17:43] <mrmcq2u> yup
[17:44] <mrmcq2u> cool, was looking at the thread hoping someone might contribute something other than a windows screenshot :D
[20:18] <MurdersLastCrow> Ah, DanRabbit's here. From deviantART? What a coincidence.


[07:22] <astraljava> eylul: Sure, yeah I have done some in the past. I can check in a while myself, but if you have it handy, what is the deadline for new packages in yakkety?
[07:29] <sakrecoer> astraljava: i believe the deadline is feature freeze (past already, but i hear its possiblebto ask for exceptions). but perhaps eylul is interested in learning? :)
[07:31] <sakrecoer> also, good morning fellow europeans and africans, afternoon fellow asians and oceaniand, and night fellow americans
[07:35] <astraljava> Hello hello. :) Yeah I've worked against FF in the past. Let's see how big changes there are, so that we can discuss with the relevant people on whether or not we should ask for an exception.
[07:39] <sakrecoer> if we talk about krita, just make sure you stay in sync with Ross, i know he is looking into it, and we don't want no one to do double work.. (ping krytarik)
[08:03] <astraljava> Ok ok, cheers.
[08:06] <geirdal> Good morning
[08:44] <eylul> astraljava: what sakrecoer said. I am interested in learning, and while Ross did also kindly offer to teach, he has very limited time.
[08:45] <eylul> (and good morning everyone)
[08:54] <sakrecoer> hi geirdal ! re:website images, yes highres would be great! :)
[09:01] <geirdal> sakrecoer, ok will do it right away ;)
[09:03] <astraljava> eylul: Well, as do I. :) But like mentioned before, I'll try to pay more attention to these matters in the future.
[09:04] <eylul> alright that is fair astraljava
[09:04] <astraljava> I'm glad to hear you're showing interest in these things, though. Whatever you need, just let me know. :)
[09:05] <eylul> *nods* mostly I'll need somebody to who I can ask possibly stupid questions with potentially obvious answers when I get stuck. ;) mostly about procedures etc
[09:07] <astraljava> eylul: That's awesome. It's been a while since I've worked on packaging, so asking questions gives me perfect opportunity to refresh my skills as well. :)
[09:08] <eylul> astraljava: awesome
[09:09] <eylul> I shall poke, soon enough about my first attempt. ;)
[09:17] <astraljava> Cool. :)
[09:33] <sakrecoer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-meta/+bug/1616175
[09:35] <sakrecoer> it seems the iso are failing again though, not sure how to read th error mails, but they look different from the ones when it was this depency error.
[09:37] <eylul> sakrecoer krita update isn't even in the iso yet I think
[09:37] <eylul> we are waiting for somebody to upload it
[09:37] <eylul> unless iso builds directly from the seeds
[09:38] <eylul> and I misunderstand how this works (which is entirely possible)
[09:49] <sakrecoer> i think you are right eylul, its not on the iso yet.
[09:51] <sakrecoer> i read it as it builds, but the tracker chokes..
[09:52] <eylul> tracker?
[10:01] <sakrecoer> the site where the ISOs are downloadable..
[10:03] <eylul> oh
[10:07] <eylul> I do wonder if other variants are also failing
[10:07] <eylul> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/360/builds
[11:46] <flocculant> sakrecoer eylul - there is an issue with builds - everyone is affected - you'll see what's up on your buildlog(s) :)
[14:03]  * OvenWerks is wondering what has happened to MIR. Any of Ubuntu's web pages about MIR seem to be mostly two years old (except for the addition that MIR is now a snap). The last bits seem to be getting GPU drivers...
[14:11] <astraljava> Well, it seems to be getting commits pushed quite regularly, so seems to be under development still.
[14:33] <eylul> ross, astraljava, sakrecoer, and anybody else following the krita saga: https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/calligra_1:2.9.11+dfsg-1.html  "Drop krita entirely from this source, since a newer version of it is going to be provided by a separate krita source"
[14:34] <eylul> can we request exemption to feature freeze for an experimental package?
[14:34] <eylul> (and flocculant, thanks!)
[14:44] <astraljava> eylul: Basically anything is possible, if you can convince the proper people at #ubuntu-release (if my memory serves correctly). :) Is there a possibility that something else could fail?
[14:46] <OvenWerks> astraljava: I guess unity relies on it, but it kind of looks like MIR as an X replacement hasn't gone anywhere. I get the idea that maybe desktop ubuntu will build on top of X and tablet will not? It is interesting that two years ago everything was going to be MIR... and then nothing.
[14:47]  * OvenWerks take on it is that the GPU manufacture's do not want to make any linux driver... but in any case not more than one.
[14:52]  * eylul waves hi to OvenWerks
[14:52] <OvenWerks> o/
[14:53] <eylul> astraljava I mean 3.0.1 has been out for a few weeks already, I haven't heard any screaming from anybody, the person who is doing the packaging seems to be the same person doing calligra packaging so I am not sure what could go wrong? *famous last words*
[14:55] <OvenWerks> eylul: Are there two kritas now? has there been a fork?
[14:56] <eylul> no, it seems packaging of it in debian is moving from calligra package into its own package
[14:56] <eylul> ovenwerks ^
[14:56] <eylul> :)
[14:57] <OvenWerks> So there will be a krita that does not need calligra? Sounds great.
[14:57] <eylul> OvenWerks: there has been a krita that didn't need rest of calligra suite for a while yup. :) but now it seems debian package will reflect that
[14:59] <OvenWerks> calligra seems add a lot of extra stuff... even if one wants calligra.
[14:59] <eylul> exactly
[15:07] <astraljava> I'm not sure if there are any caveats to that. Some people more in the know could shine some light on it. But if it builds, and making the necessary changes to seeds won't break anything, I don't think there's reason to object.
[15:07] <astraljava> Homebound via grocery store; talk to you guys later.
[17:10] <geirdal> eylul, and everybody hi-res vertion of images with 1 new image http://geirdal.is/index.php/studio-0


[03:01] <pitti> Good morning
[06:40] <Gui1524> Hey guys, is anybody on, if so, is this the place to share ideas for ubuntu?
[07:32] <willcooke> morning
[07:51] <tjaalton> robert_ancell: hey, the latest xserver upload seems to be in proposed still, do you know what's blocking it?
[07:52] <tjaalton> I have a pending commit to push, disabling optimus rotation again
[07:56] <robert_ancell> tjaalton, no, I'm not sure what's blocking it sorry
[07:57] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1471998
[07:57] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, thx
[07:57] <tjaalton> robert_ancell: ok, I'll try to find out
[09:02] <larsu> hi!
[09:06] <kenvandine> hey larsu!
[09:06] <larsu> hi kenvandine! You in London as well?
[09:07] <kenvandine> yup
[09:08] <larsu> cool. How is it?
[09:08] <kenvandine> good, it was a bit rainy
[09:08] <kenvandine> but a great sprint
[09:08]  * kenvandine loves sprints with lots of hacking and not many meetings :)
[09:08] <larsu> hehe everybody does ;)
[10:49] <ndg> Will the mobile/touch layout double as a big picture mode for large displays and TVs in unity8?
[12:03] <Laney> tjaalton: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#xorg-server that test in progress
[12:04] <tjaalton> Laney: uh, why is fglrx tests run on arch that doesn't have it
[12:05] <Laney> If it always fails then it won't hold back the package
[12:05] <Laney> Maybe it's stuck in Test in progress for some reason, like a bug
[12:06] <tjaalton> yes, all the attempts have failed
[12:11] <Laney> tjaalton: probably file a bug on lp:auto-package-testing
[12:12] <Laney> we could skip this but then would lose the state for debugging
[12:12] <Laney> and with that, I'm going (off today)
[12:12] <Laney> see you!
[12:23] <pitti> tjaalton, Laney: we currently trigger dkms packages on all architectures; indeed teh "always failed" on the unsupported arches are a bit of a wart, but they won't hold back anything
[12:23] <pitti> but I do need to sort out the version mismatch, looks like a missing apt source in the armhf containers
[12:23] <tjaalton> ok
[12:34] <pitti> hm, the apt sources do look fine
[12:34] <pitti> Get:14 http://ports.ubuntu.com wily-proposed/restricted Sources [28 B]
[12:34] <pitti> (except for being empty)
[12:35] <pitti> http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/wily-proposed/restricted/binary-armhf/ is still empty, which is weird -- the -proposed source should surely be published everywhere?
[12:35] <pitti> err, I mean http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/wily-proposed/restricted/source/
[12:35]  * pitti blames a mirror glitch and just re-runs it
[13:35] <pitti> tjaalton: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#xorg-server cleared up
[13:36] <tjaalton> pitti: sweet, thanks
[13:44] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, bug 1489891
[15:48] <Laney> pitti: Yeah, I was referring to it being 'in progress' forever


[21:39] <atticus> hi guys
[21:58] <atticus> Im using 12.10_3.5.0-19-generic_x86_64_gdm:3.6.1. Just wanted to ask if it's a "feature" or a bug that gdm is ignoring instructions regarding automatic login?
[21:58] <atticus> is it gonna be fixed?


[01:19] <CarlFK> duh?
[06:14] <mpathy> Hi.. Is there some kind of release announcement for the 6.10 Ubuntu-Server?
[06:15] <infinity> I doubt it, since it's not been released.
[06:15] <infinity> (edgy isn't released yet)
[06:18] <mpathy> Yes, but something already prepared like at Ubuntu and Kubuntu
[06:29] <infinity> Nah, we didn't do an announce for the RC.
[06:29] <infinity> It was released, though.  Same directory.
[06:30] <infinity> Feel free to test it.
[06:30] <infinity> And report bugs to me. :)
[06:30] <infinity> Don't expect any stellar changes or cool new stuff.  -server got very little love this cycle, as I expect any sane server admins to keep running dapper.
[06:36] <mpathy> THAT would be an information for a Release Announcement :P ;)
[06:37] <infinity> The final release announcement will include an encouragement for people to consider keeping dapper, due to the 5 years' support and months we spent stabilising it, yes.
[06:38] <infinity> The RC announcement already said something like that for the desktop users, though not all that strongly-worded.
[06:38] <mpathy> okay ;) its because I set up a new server end of the month so I thought about using edgy but okay, I'll use dapper ;)
[06:38] <infinity> But we are generally encouraging anyone who needs long term support and solid stability to shy away from edgy.  It was meant to be a "fun" "break the world" release, not something to base an enterprise network on.
[06:41] <mpathy> perhaps it should be considerd to release ubuntu-server online on LTR ;)
[06:42] <mpathy> -online +only
[06:45] <infinity> It's always online-only, we don't ship -server CDs in shipit.
[06:45] <infinity> Or if we do, that new and I'm not aware of it.
[06:45] <infinity> s/that/that's/
[06:53] <mpathy> infinity: I meant only not online sorry
[06:53] <mpathy> I meant server editions only at LTRs
[07:02] <infinity> Oh, I see what you mean.
[07:02] <infinity> No, we'll continue to release it with regular Ubuntu releases, but I will make sure the release announcement has some wording to encourage people to stick with dapper unless they really want/need edgy.
[07:02] <infinity> (Which they might for hardware support, if nothing else)
[07:11] <Znuff> Hello. How does one exactly install ubuntu-server? provided that it has the ubuntu 6.06 cd image?
[07:14] <infinity> Well, one would assume you have the ubuntu-server ISO, not the plain ubuntu one?
[07:14] <infinity> If not, then go back to step 1. :)
[07:14] <Znuff> that's a flaw
[07:15] <Znuff> I always thought it's actually the same platform, but without -desktop packages
[07:15] <Znuff> guess I was wrong
[07:16] <infinity> It is the same, but the installation media is different.
[07:16] <infinity> Mainly to install different kernels, and ship different package sets.
[07:16] <infinity> You can, however, do a no-frills install from an ubuntu alternate CD, then swap kernels, and you're pretty much there.
[07:17] <infinity> You can't even hope to do a server install from the desktop/live CD (the one we ship with shipit), because its installer isn't really bright enough to make that happen.
[07:17] <Znuff> was actually trying to take "downloading another iso" out of the ecuation
[07:17] <porkpie> hi guy's  ... just tried the latest release /ubuntu-6.10-rc-server-amd64.iso on a Dell Poweredge 1950  The install now see's the logical drive and installs but on reboot it hangs loading the kernel and I get Alert! /dev/sda1 doesn't exist Dropping into shell
[07:18] <Znuff> infinity, and I'm reading that there are issues with already-set-up lvm groups?!
[07:18] <infinity> porkpie: Are we missing a driver in the initrd, maybe?
[07:18] <porkpie> infinity:how can I check
[07:19] <infinity> porkpie: After the install, but before the reboot, you can check to see which driver is being used. (at another virtual console in the installer)
[07:19] <infinity> Then check to see if we're actually including it in the initramfs when it drops you to a shell. :)
[07:20] <porkpie> infinity:I am in the initramfs shell now
[07:20] <porkpie> it should include the megaraid_sas driver
[07:20] <infinity> As a general rule, if the installer works, but the installed system claims not to find your root drive, we either have a subtle bug somewhere that'll be a pain to find, or we're missing a driver.  The latter is far more likely (and far easier to fix)
[07:20] <infinity> porkpie: cat /proc/modules and see if it's loaded.
[07:20] <infinity> porkpie: If not, try to modprobe it manually, and see if it exists.
[07:21] <infinity> porkpie: If it exists but isn't being loaded, we have a problem.  If it doesn't exist at all, we have a different problem.  If it's loaded but not working, problem number 3.
[07:21] <infinity> Find out which problem it is, and then we'll talk.
[07:22] <Znuff> infinity, regarding the "known issue" with already set-up lvm groups in the desktop cd... does the bug still exist in the server cd?
[07:22] <porkpie> infinity:sorry what the syntax for modeprobe ...I normally use FreeBSD  :(
[07:22] <infinity> Znuff: No, the desktop CD's partitioner is defficient.  The server CD uses debian-installer, which is much more robust.
[07:22] <infinity> porkpie: modprobe megaraid_sas
[07:22] <Znuff> then I guess I'm ok
[07:23] <porkpie> infinity:module megaraid_sas not found
[07:23] <Znuff> damn this will be a pain in the ass, download at 55k/s =( of all these days the FO could break...
[07:23] <infinity> porkpie: A quick glance here looks like we're just missing the module.
[07:24] <infinity> porkpie: Yeah.  So, simple fix.
[07:25] <infinity> porkpie: You can boot the CD in recovery mode, mount your root partition, chroot to it, then "echo 'megaraid_sas' >> /etc/initramfs-tools/modules" and "update-initramfs -u"
[07:25] <infinity> porkpie: Then you should be able to boot fine.
[07:25] <infinity> porkpie: If that works, tell me, and I'll add it to the SCSI module list (so no one else has to do that hack)
[07:25] <porkpie> infinity:just doing it .....I have done that so many times
[07:26] <porkpie> infinity:it also not seeing the network interfaces either
[07:26] <porkpie> bnx2 drivers
[07:26] <infinity> The installer isn't?
[07:26] <porkpie> yeah the installer
[07:26] <infinity> Curious.
[07:27] <infinity> I don't know much about that driver, mind you.
[07:29] <porkpie> infinity:do I use chroot /target
[07:31] <porkpie> infinity:hmm! it will not let me add the module
[07:34] <porkpie> infinity:ok JUST REBOOTING
[07:37] <Znuff> infinity, ubuntu uses mysql4 or 5?
[07:40] <infinity> Znuff: 5.
[07:40] <Znuff> oh, then no change to the format of backup is needed
[07:41] <infinity> (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ apt-cache show mysql-server | grep ^Depends
[07:41] <infinity> Depends: mysql-server-5.0
[07:43] <porkpie> infinity:It has booted now and I have got the interface up and have ran the apt-get update.  I am now trying to install ssh but it keeps looking for the cdrom ...also gedit is coming back with commad not found
[07:44] <infinity> porkpie: Okay, we're well in the realm of "support questions" now. :)
[07:45] <infinity> If it's looking for the CD-ROM, and you don't like that, remove the cdrom entry from /etc/apt/sources.list, and gedit better not be found, since it's a GUI app, and ubuntu-server doesn't install X.
[07:46] <Znuff> so, I've backed up sql, /etc, named, and now files
[07:46] <Znuff> anywhere I should look for something else?
[08:42] <KurtKraut> How can I run an identd ?
[08:43] <KurtKraut> I've installed nullidentd and properly set in /etc/inetd.conf but I have no clue how it should be runned.
[08:43] <infinity> If it runs from inetd, you don't need to "run" it at all.
[08:43] <infinity> inetd will spawn it when connection attempts come in.
[08:44] <KurtKraut> infinity, when I run xchat and connect to freenode for instance it never gets my id.
[08:44] <KurtKraut> the same for all IRC networks.
[08:44] <KurtKraut> So I suppose it does not run when it should run
[08:52] <mpathy> does debbootstrap and cdebootstrap work now as it worked on Debian - but for Ubuntu?
[08:52] <mpathy> (sorry for my weird english *g*)
[08:52] <KurtKraut> anyone has any clue how I can configure a identd to reply to IRC servers ?
[11:14] <Ries> are there any lvm2 configuration tools?
[11:17] <Znuff> "lvm" perhaps?
[11:23] <Ries> Znuff: yeaa just found it ...stupid me
[11:23] <Ries> I just did add this line to my fstab: /dev/vg1/lv1    /opt            xfs     defaults,errors=remount-ro      0       1
[11:23] <Ries> I also see soem stuff about uuid.... I never seen that :)
[11:23] <Znuff> Ries, read up on the LVM howto at tldp.org
[11:23] <Ries> Znuff: it's working already... and xfs is install on top of lvm..
[11:24] <Znuff> I'm taking care of LVM these days too
[11:24] <Ries> what is the uuid about and do I need it?
[11:24] <Znuff> no, you don't
[11:25] <Ries> is the uuid ubuntu specific, or is it used anywehre else?
[11:26] <ChaosFan> Ries: that's the "new and intuitive way" ;)
[11:26] <ChaosFan> of adressing devices
[11:26] <Ries> ChaosFan: is it a do or don't ?
[11:26] <Ries> at teh current point?
[11:26] <ChaosFan> it wants to become a do
[11:26] <ChaosFan> i personally don't like it
[11:26] <Znuff> it's interesting, anyway :P
[11:26] <Znuff> uuids are too long =/
[11:26] <ChaosFan> exactly ;)
[11:27] <Znuff> mounting the partition/disk wherever on the bus is located sounds nice for me
[11:27] <Ries> hahah... ok, I think I can leave it for now
[11:27] <Ries> since I don't see myself moving drives...
[11:28] <Znuff> I mean, I don't think there's another usefull thing for UUIDs, or am I wrong?
[11:28] <ChaosFan> Znuff: when i saw the first uuid i decided for myself not to use it or investigate on its uses until i'm forced to ;)
[11:29] <Ries> I think you can use a label aswell
[11:30] <Znuff> I never set labels
[11:31] <Ries> never seen it :s
[11:32] <Znuff> installers usually set labels :)


[08:11] <AeonBear> hello
[19:57] <AeonBear> hey
[21:36] <craysiii> why does software updater say that it needs to remove my graphics drivers?


[01:20] <rick_h_> jcastro: you have the shared dropbox folder with the screenshots from out blog posts/etc in it
[01:20] <rick_h_> jcastro: I shared that out to you and sally, it's all the 'mass screenshots' we've got right now
[01:20] <rick_h_> jcastro: plus the two videos we did for release


[13:30] <AnAnt> Hello, is there a difference between libxcb-util0-dev and libxcb-render-util0-dev ? And will xcb-util-renderutil be synced from Debian ? If yes, will it be in main or universe ?
[13:30] <AnAnt> doko_: ^
[13:34] <doko_> AnAnt, download the package and have a look?
[13:53] <AnAnt> doko_: swt-gtk builds fine against both
[13:53] <AnAnt> doko_: I notice that Ubuntu changed the build-dep because it doesn't have the xcb-util-renderutil source package
[13:59] <AnAnt> doko_: thing is, I am not sure wether to do the same change in Debian or not, it builds fine on both


[01:02] <scshunt> dscassel: hi
[01:39] <BobJonkman> Hi scshunt!
[02:36] <scshunt> BobJonkman: hi!
[02:37] <scshunt> BobJonkman: I'm looking for Saucy disks for the CSC1
[02:37] <scshunt> *!
[08:32] <BobJonkman> scshunt: Canonical only issues disks for the Long Term Support releases, so we won't see any new disks until 14.04
[08:33] <BobJonkman> ..and I just gave away all the disks I had to the Bits&Bytes computer club, so there may not be any 12.04 disks left either
[11:07] <scshunt> BobJonkman: ok


[01:26] <Slapshot|Linux> Hi, I am having trouble getting my upstart to run at boot. Any help would be great.
[08:42] <pmjdebruijn> jhunt: we're using a heavily customized setup
[08:42] <pmjdebruijn> where we synchronize configurations
[08:42] <pmjdebruijn> in an upstart job
[08:42] <pmjdebruijn> but parallization of the rc sysv init seems to be problematic
[08:42] <pmjdebruijn> in the past I just upstartified the packages and be done with it
[08:42] <pmjdebruijn> but for complexer init scripts this is well a pain and very error sensitive
[08:43] <pmjdebruijn> we're actually doing a migration to ubuntu (from debian)
[08:43] <pmjdebruijn> but in our custom setup, upstart seems to make this very painful
[08:47] <jhunt> ??? I don't understand what the problem is? If you have specifics, please can you post to the mailing list or raise bugs if you think you've found one?
[08:48] <pmjdebruijn> it's not really a bug
[08:53] <pmjdebruijn> ideally my problem would be solved if I could depend the sysv rc upstart job on another upstart job
[08:53] <pmjdebruijn> but if I do that my whole init breaks
[08:53] <pmjdebruijn> I tried that before
[08:53] <pmjdebruijn> system won't reboot anymore
[09:03] <pmjdebruijn> I guess I might mail to the mailing list if I have time to workout my case
[09:04] <jhunt> are you saying that existing sysv scripts fail to run correctly when started by upstart?
[09:06] <pmjdebruijn> no sorry
[09:06] <pmjdebruijn> sysv works
[09:06] <pmjdebruijn> but it runs to soon
[09:07] <pmjdebruijn> it should only run _after_ another upstart job
[09:07] <pmjdebruijn> which synchronizes the local configuration from a remote host
[09:07] <pmjdebruijn> but it's being parallized
[09:07] <pmjdebruijn> so stuff isn't starting because there is no configuration yet
[09:07] <pmjdebruijn> we're talking about network bootend hosts he
[09:07] <pmjdebruijn> here*
[09:09] <jhunt> you really need to migrate your sysv job to upstart then. There is a way to do what you want though...
[09:09] <jhunt> 1) disable the sysv job by removing the sym links.
[09:10] <pmjdebruijn> yeah
[09:10] <pmjdebruijn> it's just that the sysv script is _very_ complex
[09:10] <jhunt> 2) create an upstart job "wrapper" for it that does "start on event-i-need" and "exec /etc/init.d/my-sysv-service"
[09:10] <pmjdebruijn> oh
[09:10] <pmjdebruijn> lol
[09:10] <pmjdebruijn> that's an idea
[09:10] <pmjdebruijn> it's a horrible hack
[09:10] <pmjdebruijn> but that would work though
[09:11] <pmjdebruijn> for nagios-nrpe I created a real upstart job
[09:11] <pmjdebruijn> which is just requires a trivial patch
[09:11] <pmjdebruijn> but your suggestion would work for everything
[09:15] <pmjdebruijn> jhunt: thanks for that suggestion
[12:55] <pmjdebruijn> jhunt: btw, just implemented the wrappers
[12:55] <pmjdebruijn> jhunt: it seems to work nicely
[12:55] <pmjdebruijn> jhunt: thanks for the tip
[12:57] <jhunt> np. of course you'll need to ensure that the sysv sym links don't get re-instated if the packages get updated say.
[12:57] <pmjdebruijn> that's not an issue
[12:58] <pmjdebruijn> it's a ramdisk based setup
[12:58] <pmjdebruijn> so it's static
[12:58] <pmjdebruijn> everytime we update the ramdisks, we also have a QA phase (which should catch that)