[10:04] <airurando> ping slashtom
[10:04] <airurando> morning all
[10:08] <slashtom> good morning
[10:19] <airurando> Howdy, just wondering when you'll be calling the bowling place.
[10:19] <airurando> is it worth a final plug on identi.ca and mailing list?
[10:21] <slashtom> i did the mailing list on saturday
[10:21] <slashtom> and i have no idea what identi.ca is
[10:21] <slashtom> was planning to do the booking this evening
[10:22] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:22] <ebel> ident.ca is an open source twitter clone.
[10:22] <slashtom> good morning
[10:23] <airurando> yeah I saw the your mailing list mail.  I replied to it :) .
[10:23] <ebel> Notably ubuntuie is on indetica and twitter. If you update the indetica status, then it magically updates the twitter. So less work :)
[10:24] <airurando> Hi ebel, and yes you did set that up well.
[10:25] <airurando> I'll blast off final call prods.
[10:25] <ebel> I think it was czajkowski suggestion/idea to do the twitter/identica :)
[10:26] <airurando> good morning czajkowski (didn't see your aloha until now)
[10:27] <airurando> my congrats must go to czajkowski so on that idea.
[10:28] <czajkowski> I need to go and sort out our domai as well today
[14:02] <tdr112> afternoon
[14:04] <czajkowski> aloha
[14:06] <ebel> yo
[16:56] <czajkowski> Ubuntu-ie.org
[16:56] <czajkowski> is back
[16:56] <slashtom> well done
[16:56] <slashtom> on auto-renew?
[16:57] <czajkowski> thre was a glitch
[16:57] <czajkowski> it will be set up in fuutre
[16:57] <czajkowski> for it plus the other 200
[17:02] <ebel> yay
[17:02] <ebel> thanks czajkowski
[17:03] <czajkowski> np
[17:04] <czajkowski> regularly have to do that for teams


[09:37] <njin> hello guys, seems to me that the 3.0rc2 is having problems, can you confirm that?
[09:38] <njin> one this machine works, but on two portable it wont work
[09:45] <njin> bug 390592 spam
[09:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 390592 in ubuntu "I cannot get my headphones to work, tried all the fixes. Sound is fine. Has a ALC861 toshiba card. I work with Jaunty" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390592
[15:39] <CarlFK> 2011-06-08 installed nightly.  it loads yenta_socket module, which my firewire EC card needs.  current nightly does not load it by default.  If I modprobe it, firewire card works.
[15:41] <CarlFK> I am skimming u-kernel list, don't see much chatter about what modules are included and such.  is there somewhere else I should look?
[21:43] <chadhogg> I apologize if this is the wrong venue, but I was hoping to get some real-time feedback on what I could do to continue debugging Launchpad bug 793437
[21:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 793437 in linux "Unusable Slowness In 2.6.38-8" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/793437


[01:28] <wileee> Could someone watch kadiro, they are not an asset
[22:06] <Jordan_U> ikonia: My guess is that the actual difference between Ubuntu and CENTOS that caused this to come up is that (I believe) CENTOS/Red Hat only uses kernels that are stable long term support kernels upstream (blessed and maintained by GregKH) whereas Ubuntu, for 14.04, chose to use 3.13 which is not an LTS kernel managed by GregKH. Canonical originally wanted GregKH to call 3.13 LTS, based on Canonical's guarantee that ...
[22:06] <Jordan_U> ... they would do the work that GregKH would otherwise have done. Greg didn't trust that promise enough, so it's not LTS upstream (but Canonical is still making the same promise).
[22:07] <Jordan_U> ikonia: I have no idea how much of that Daemoen's manager actually understands though, and they should still get more clarification before asking further in #ubuntu.
[22:08] <ikonia> Id on't think he understands to be honest
[22:08] <ikonia> it just seems to not be a thought out question
[22:09] <Jordan_U> ikonia: There was a lot of news reporting around the drama that resulted from this situation, so I still think that's what precipitated the question from the manager in the first place.
[22:10] <ikonia> it sounds ill thought out
[22:10] <ikonia> the vendor support is what matters
[23:49] <daftykins> user Koning in #ubuntu giving bad / trolling advice
[23:57] <Jordan_U> daftykins: Thanks for the heads up.


[10:35] <MadsRH> mat_t: Hi Mat. Are there any plans to make the GDM theme match the desktop theme (human/dust)? Or perhaps the opposite, a new theme (karmic+1) that matches the GDM?
[11:51] <MadsRH> mac_v: What's up with the *huge* Iteration 6 edit images? LOL :P
[12:38] <mac_v> MadsRH: to get mat_t's attention ;p
[12:38] <MadsRH> mac_v: :-D
[15:24] <mrdoob> mat_t: any progress on the official boot/gdm design?
[16:07] <mrdoob> right
[16:08] <mrdoob> well, hopefully MadsRH will be back...
[16:22] <mat_t> mrdoob: hey, yes, we're working on it!
[16:55] <mrdoob> mat_t: good good
[17:25] <mat_t> mrdoob: really liked your concept, unfortunately current gdm would not allow us to do buttons and menus like that without major re-development
[17:26] <mrdoob> I see
[17:26] <mat_t> mrdoob: also really liked the depth effect
[17:27] <mrdoob> :)
[17:27] <mrdoob> well, my intention was to suggest another style
[17:27] <mrdoob> it doesn't need to look 100% like it is
[17:28] <mrdoob> I'll take a quick look on the gdm documentation
[17:28] <mrdoob> which version are you using?
[17:28] <mat_t> mrdoob: the most recent one
[17:29] <mat_t> not sure what no. it is
[17:30] <mat_t> mrdoob: we're quite restricted in terms of theme engine capabilities + gdm codebase + (really, the most important) time + people
[17:33] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[17:34] <mat_t> Question: would someone be interested in helping improving this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[17:34] <mrdoob> mat_t: I suspect the later is the actual bottle neck :)
[17:34] <mat_t> mrdoob: as usual :)
[17:35] <MadsRH> mat_t: What exactly should be improved? the layout, text, etc.?
[17:36] <mat_t> MadsRH: I'm working on the content analysis atm, but I guess just making sure it's up to date, some copy changes + adding screenshots for each step
[17:37] <mat_t> Generally making it beginner-friendly
[17:40] <mat_t> Would be a great improvement to have a nice walkthrough for each option
[17:45] <MadsRH> mat_t: I agree. I'm not sure if I'll find the time to look into this (spenting all my time on boot mockups LOL), but if I to I'll give it a shot. Nothing promised O:-)
[17:45] <mat_t> thanks MadsRH - I'll let you know when I have some more info
[17:46] <MadsRH> mat_t: please do
[21:11] <mac_v> dashua: ping :)
[21:11] <mac_v> dashua: when did Dust Sand change? only now , i notice there have been some nice changes
[21:21] <natewiebe13> mac_v: 1 or 2 days ago?
[21:21] <natewiebe13> i remember seeing it
[21:24] <mac_v> natewiebe13: yeah , yesterday
[21:24] <mac_v> just checked the history :)
[21:25] <natewiebe13> okay
[21:25] <mac_v> i was wondering if the Karmic edition itself was different 0.o
[22:19] <dashua> mac_v, Heya
[22:19] <dashua> Clearlooks refs are deprecated.
[22:20] <mac_v> dashua: yeah , have to update my custom theme! :(
[22:20] <dashua> Did 0.4 gnome-themes-ubuntu hit Karmic yet?
[22:21] <dashua> Murrine changes are in there
[22:21] <mac_v> dashua: yup , just yesterday
[22:21] <dashua> Ah cool
[22:22] <mac_v> dashua: BTW , any luck with the Hanso bottom edge? i think the lighter one looks better :)
[22:22] <dashua> Some progress, I need to fix a few more things
[22:24] <dashua> I like the bottom as well light
[22:25] <SiDi> is there still a reason for having gnome-themes-ubuntu and community-themes separated ?
[22:25] <dashua> Not really
[22:26] <dashua> gnome-themes-ubuntu are community themes
[22:26] <SiDi> i'll write a report tomorrow to ask why they're separated
[22:26]  * SiDi wants a generic gtk-themes package for the community, with damn XFWM THEMES inside it :P
[22:26] <dashua> There are only four in there
[22:26] <dashua> Hehe nice
[22:27] <dashua> And there are only two in community-themes
[22:27] <dashua> Kin and Impression
[22:34] <dashua> No pulseaudio crashes in 12 hours.  A miracle.


[06:31] <auie> Hello, please do you know where I can download lubuntu 22.04?
[07:30] <guiverc> auie, i replied on the discourse/forum; I'd suggest reading https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/lubuntu-jammy-jellyfish-22-04-beta-testing-week/3163 or your reply .. the current daily can be found at https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/
[07:32] <guiverc> all current details can be found on the ISO QA tracker - http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/429/builds   (for jammy; follow links and it'll provide download link on cdimage.ubuntu.com)
[09:57] <auie> Thank you very much guiverc. I don't care if it is a beta version, because there will be updates.
[09:58] <guiverc> yep. apply all upgrades (`apt full-upgrade`) & it'll become the RC very soon & full product in time
[15:48] <root______> hi
[15:48] <root______> hi
[15:48] <root______> hi
[15:48] <root______> hi
[15:48] <root______> hi
[16:36] <Guest39> HALLO!
[16:36] <Guest39> HILFE!
[16:36] <Guest39> !!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:37] <Chunkyz> Guest39: you lost?


[00:55] <basilAB> I was trying to use cloud-init (version:  0.7.5) on ubuntu-14.04. I am finding issue in appending ssh key to authorized from 'OpenStack' metadata. But it is working with 'ConfigDrive'
[00:56] <basilAB> https://pastebin.com/0JPwU8fK
[11:58] <robjo> smoser: Can take another look at https://code.launchpad.net/~rjschwei/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/329616 and merge or let me know what else needs fixing?
[13:36] <niluje> :<
[13:46] <smoser> whats up niluje
[13:47] <smoser> robjo, ... looking now
[13:48] <smoser> basilAB, is that your holw /var/log/cloud-init.log ?
[13:49] <basilAB> smoser: yes. 'grep' with 'failed'
[13:50] <basilAB> my host has python2.7 and python 3 on the host and can see all the modules called under python2.7
[14:33] <afranc> When does cloud-init detect payload as `text/x-not-multipart` ?
[14:39] <afranc> I passing a shell script as a user data but when i start some extra commands, the ShellScriptPartHandler detects the content as `text/x-not-multipart` ending it up as an `Empty payload`, logs - https://pastebin.com/raw/sd32FqJw
[14:41] <smoser> fun
[14:41] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/329926
[14:41] <smoser> robjo, i responded in mp
[14:42] <smoser> basilAB, can you paste the hole log ?
[14:42] <robjo> smoser: thanks will get back to it today
[14:42] <smoser> blackboxsw, see merge above. powersj interested in your feedback there too
[14:43] <smoser> afranc, what was the problem ?. can you post an entire log and tell me what you expected ot happen and what didn't?
[14:43] <blackboxsw> grabbing it now
[14:45] <powersj> smoser: ah yes I saw this fail recently on my artful box
[14:45] <smoser> i think that the MP above is really all we can do, but that means somehow we  have to have jenkins test runners have python3.5
[14:46] <smoser> as i really want c-i to report failures that would be seen in xenial
[14:46] <smoser> i guess alternatively we could un-pin jsonpatch
[14:47] <smoser> or pin at a newer (artful) version and just live with the risk of differences
[14:50] <basilAB> smoser: Here is the full log https://paste.ubuntu.com/25432350/ (The problem which I was checking was to see why ssh key available in the metadata is not getting appended to ubuntu user)
[14:50] <basilAB> I can see the user getting created
[14:52] <smoser> 2017-08-30 14:45:00,079 - cc_final_message.py[WARNING]: Used fallback datasource
[14:52] <smoser> that means it did not find a metadata service to use.
[14:52] <afranc> smoser  i have posted both user-data and cloud-init.log which is failing - https://pastebin.com/raw/zEtB6XDf
[14:53] <blackboxsw> smoser: per your branch on xenial is it worth us adding a python3.6 tox env to better exercise 3.6 issues?
[14:54] <smoser> basilAB, your networking seems to not have come up.  in 14.04 you have to have an /etc/network/interfaces that defines basically "dhcp on eth0".
[14:54] <smoser> cloud-init assumes the systme is set up to configure networking.
[14:54] <afranc> smoser  if i have a user-data like this https://pastebin.com/raw/wiDx027d, the ShellScriptPartHandler detects the content as `text/x-shellscript` writes it to `/var/lib/cloud/instance/scripts/part-001` and executes it fine
[14:54] <smoser> blackboxsw, well that becomes hard to run then from xenial
[14:56] <afranc> smoser but if the user-data has additional commands like in https://pastebin.com/raw/zEtB6XDf, the `ShellScriptPartHandler` handler detects it as `text/x-not-multipart` and complains it as `Empty payload of type text/x-not-multipart` and writes it as `Writing to /var/lib/cloud/instances/af23b054-f125-4821-8639-084933ad7244/cloud-config.txt - wb: [384] 0 bytes` and do not execute the entire shell script from user-data
[14:58] <afranc> smoser i wanted to know why adding extra commands, make the `ShellScriptPartHandler` detect the content as `text/x-not-multipar`
[14:58] -basilAB:#cloud-init- I have'source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*.cfg' in '/etc/network/interfaces . Interface configuration: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25432392/
[14:59] <smoser> afranc, i suspect you might not have an 'eth0' device?
[14:59] <smoser> something made networking not come up
[14:59] <smoser> er.. sorry. not afranc above, but basilAB .
[14:59] <afranc> ok
[15:01] <basilAB> hmm.. I do see eth0 up with an IP assigned from DHCP after cloud-init run. Are you saying it is a timing issue ?
[15:01] <smoser> afranc, nothign created the user 'ubuntu' i think
[15:01] <smoser> afranc, what image are you using ?
[15:02] <afranc> smoser  Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS
[15:02] <smoser> from cloud-images.ubuntu.com ?
[15:02] <smoser> or did you build one
[15:03] <afranc> smoser, i build one .
[15:03] <afranc> smoser  i am confused because at some cases shell script as user-data works
[15:18] <smoser> afranc, well, cloud-init failed to find the datasource.
[15:18] <smoser> so it didn't get your user-data
[15:22] <afranc> smoser doesnt this confirm `2017-08-30 14:48:06,025 - util.py[DEBUG]: Crawl of openstack metadata service took 36.475 seconds`
[15:22] <afranc> and this log - https://pastebin.com/raw/v4215hr8 is a working case using the same cloud.cfg
[15:26] <smoser> afranc, i'im confused a bit on what happened there.
[15:27] <smoser> bouncing the networking is wierd. 14.04 doesn't do networking that well. i do not think that the format of the user-data is your problem.
[15:29] <afranc> smoser  this is a log from file from a working use case - https://pastebin.com/raw/wh2yyfQZ
[15:29] <smoser> afranc, well, a log of *only* that boot would be good too
[15:29] <smoser> the one you posted has multiple boots
[15:30] <smoser> and i'd really suggest sanity checking *anything* against an official ubuntu image.
[15:30] <afranc> this is another log file from non-working use case - https://pastebin.com/raw/UESQGp7S
[15:30] <afranc> ok
[15:30] <afranc> i was only seeing the difference in the way the `ShellScriptPartHandler` detecting the user-data
[15:31] <afranc> for a working use case it detects the user-data as `text/x-shellscript` and the case where it doesn't work, it detects it as `text/x-not-multipart'`
[15:32] <afranc> ok. i will do the sanity check on the image
[15:35] <smoser> afranc, possibly you have a space at the beginning of it ?
[15:36] <smoser> it only will read the first line. and expects it shoudl start with '#!' to be a shellscript
[15:37] <afranc> i see. i will double check
[15:37] <afranc> how does it detect the content as `text/x-not-multipart` ?
[15:48] <smoser> it doesnt know what it is. thats just fallback.
[15:54] <afranc> i see
[15:55] <smoser> rharper, fwiw, i think i agree with xnox's mp for upstart in artful.
[15:55] <smoser> he doesnt delete the upstart/ jobs just removes the packaging of them in artful
[15:55] <smoser> and if all other ubuntu packages have done that, then cloud-init in ubuntu shoudl too.
[15:56] <rharper> smoser: ok
[15:57] <afranc> thanks smoser  i will dig this further
[15:58] <rharper> smoser: IIUC, when there is an artful+1;  it will get branched from master, so we'll need to re-apply the same MP to that from master;  no?  So, it seemed to me that upstream should need some changes so that a downstream would opt-in to those files being packaged; I dunno
[15:58] <smoser> no. master has no debian/
[15:59] <smoser> it has packages/debian
[15:59] <smoser> and packages/debian/rules *does* have 'upstart' in it. but we can drop that. it doesnt really hurt anything.
[16:00] <smoser> basically the plan is that ubuntu/devel branch will always go on being ubuntu/devel (right now that is artful)
[16:00] <rharper> also, downstream branches also have a cloud.cfg that'll have the emit upstart and other upstart related runtime files
[16:00] <smoser> the first time we need to SRU to artful, we create ubuntu/artful branch. (or we can do taht whenever artful releases... doesnt really m atter).
[16:00] <rharper> generally I was hoping that we'd comb through master to find out what a 'non-upstart' code base would need to look like
[16:06] <blackboxsw> rharper: were you referring to this locale branch in standup today? https://code.launchpad.net/~raharper/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/329152
[16:06] <rharper> yeah
[16:06] <blackboxsw> that you mentioned you had updated yesterday?
[16:07] <rharper> y
[16:07] <blackboxsw> last commit pushed was 08-16
[16:07] <rharper> can't be
[16:07] <blackboxsw> I don't see the changes that were discussed between you and smoser
[16:07] <blackboxsw> hmm refreshing
[16:08] <blackboxsw> maybe launchpad is falling apart. I'll try a clone and see if I see changes
[16:08] <rharper> ok
[16:08] <rharper> it looks fine to me in lp
[16:09] <rharper> maybe because of rebase?  I dunno
[16:09] <nacc> commit authorship date != push date
[16:09] <nacc> and if you do amending, etc. the date won't necessarily change
[16:09] <rharper> nacc: thanks
[16:10] <nacc> i think LP uses author date, rather than commit date (or v.v). I can't recall
[16:10] <nacc> but i've seen similar artifacts
[16:10] <blackboxsw> hmm I'm only seeing cf1c4106545b6acceded30ae9f3f65910277335e
[16:11] <rharper> cf1c4106545b6acceded30ae9f3f65910277335e is where it's at
[16:11] <rharper> blackboxsw: see nacc's comment
[16:12] <nacc> blackboxsw: you could try and look at `git log --pretty=full` to see the commit and authorship dates both
[16:12] <nacc> i think that's the argument
[16:12] <nacc> oh 'fuller'
[16:13] <blackboxsw> nacc +1 on that.
[16:18] <blackboxsw> hmm. rharper I thought you made references to authorship changes you made yesterday. I was expecting to see some changes that we determine needs_regen value based on a call to 'locale -a'
[16:19] <blackboxsw> maybe I misunderstood from standup. Was your intent to avoid the extra exec in querying whether the local was already generated?
[16:21] <rharper> blackboxsw: we're not querying what's present via locale -a; rather the change was to read the distro default locale config file, and if that has a set value, to assume the image is built correctly and not regenerate then
[16:21] <rharper> it handles if the file is present but has no value, or if missing, and will regen as needed there
[16:22] <blackboxsw> ok gotcha, thanks for the correction. ok, makes sense to rely on images to be properly built
[16:22] <rharper> I think the path we took was that the image builder should be in control of what the default lang for the image is, and declare that in the correct distro location;, cloud-init will read that and respect it;  if an image is built with locales but left unset, then cloud-init will regenerate the cloud-init default locale
[16:22] <rharper> blackboxsw: right
[16:23] <rharper> my most recent change was the keep around the value present in the default locale config file and have that be separate from the cloud-init default/fallback value so we can reason on whether we need to update the locale config file, as well as regenerate
[16:26] <blackboxsw> gotcha, and you must've squashed your commits then
[16:26] <blackboxsw> which is why I didn't see updates
[16:26] <blackboxsw> ok
[16:29] <rharper> blackboxsw: I did
[16:29] <rharper> one of the reasons smoser liked bzr (-n 0 would show you the evolution of the code)
[16:35] <dpb1> cloud-init summit notes posted: https://lists.launchpad.net/cloud-init/msg00094.html
[16:35] <smoser> man. look at that active mailing list
[16:36] <smoser> 3 messages in 2 days!
[16:36]  * smoser just sent https://lists.launchpad.net/cloud-init/msg00095.html
[16:36] <dpb1> smoser: I almost couldn't find the archive link!
[16:36] <dpb1> smoser: can I modify the review to be a bit.ly link?
[16:36] <dpb1> (in topic)
[16:38] <Odd_Bloke> unsubscribe
[16:38] <dpb1> Odd_Bloke: you always have to be the center of attention
[16:40] <smoser> dpb1, i will.
[16:41] <Odd_Bloke> dpb1: I find it's better for everyone.
[16:42] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, is that if you're the center of attention or if you leave the playground (unsubscribe)
[16:43] <dpb1> smoser: thx, can we also put up a bitly for the email list? like, | mail list: http://pad.lv/~cloud-init |
[16:45] <smoser> how's that?
[16:46] <dpb1> nice
[16:46] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Little bit of column A, little bit of column B.
[16:47] <dpb1> smoser: wish there was a way to inject text into this page: https://code.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+ref/master/+activereviews
[16:47] <dpb1> smoser: like describing what it meant for something to be wip
[16:47] <dpb1> smoser: but, oh well
[16:47] <nacc> dpb1: per project? yeah, i agree
[16:47] <dpb1> (going back to what we were discussing earlier about WIP branches)
[16:48] <nacc> dpb1: i'd file a bug on launchpad
[16:48] <nacc> tbh
[16:48] <dpb1> nacc: you have the same ask for #ubuntu-server stuff too, right?
[16:48] <nacc> dpb1: yeah, and i imagine any team would like to put 'policy' somewhere that's well-defined and have LP display it
[16:48] <dpb1> nacc: ok, I will  no sense complaining about it in #cloud-init channel
[16:49] <dpb1> lol
[16:49] <nacc> if they are using git on LP, i mean
[16:49] <dpb1> thx, good suggestion
[16:51] <blackboxsw> rharper: approved with nits https://code.launchpad.net/~raharper/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/329152
[16:56] <robjo> smoser: https://code.launchpad.net/~rjschwei/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/329616 should be all set now
[17:22] <blackboxsw> https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/329946 looks good. a doc nit and and a question for you smoser
[17:22] <blackboxsw> nice robjo, I'll glance over that too today to catch up on opensuse context.
[17:23] <smoser> blackboxsw, please do. i am basically good with it at this point. the tests bare minimum, but better than there *was* so i didnt want to tax robjo wit their creation.
[17:24] <blackboxsw> +1 landing it smoser don't wait on me for that :). but yeah I had missed his branch earlier so wanted to read it a bit more
[17:28] <smoser> blackboxsw, responded
[17:28] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/329946
[17:28] <smoser> and updated with doc removal. good catch on that . thank you.
[17:28] <smoser> rharper, i had a question on your locale mp also
[17:33] <rharper> smoser: here
[17:35] <smoser> rharper, see mp.
[17:35] <rharper> k
[17:35] <smoser> you can answer here if you want more real time
[17:40] <rharper> smoser: hrm, you're right;  I don't really like the idea of reading the same file twice in the default/common path; so either if we write an updated locale conf, we invalid the cached variable, or we just let it always read the file
[17:42] <smoser> rharper, oh. i was just suggesting when you successfully 'apply', then you can just set the new value.
[17:42] <smoser> but yeah, setting it to None would do the same thing and just force a re-read
[17:42] <rharper> ok; that works
[17:42] <smoser> yeah. just update it.  since you're caching it you are guaranteed to possibly be out of date
[17:43] <smoser> so setting it (rather than setting it to None) doesn't make it any worse
[17:43] <rharper> right
[17:43] <rharper> we're not really protecting against file system writes underneath us
[17:44] <rharper> possibly if we were to be daemonized and called a second time to switch locales;
[17:51] <rharper> smoser: blackboxsw: thanks for review, working on an update
[17:55] <smoser> blackboxsw, so your change at https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/329872
[17:55] <smoser> that does change to doing a 'import oathlib...' every time oauth_headers is called
[17:58] <smoser> i guess if you like the clarity it seems the performance is not terribly worse off.
[17:59] <smoser> >>> timeit.timeit("bool(oauth1 is None)", setup="import oauthlib.oauth1 as oauth1")
[17:59] <smoser> 0.2964163040742278
[17:59] <smoser> versus
[17:59] <smoser> >>> timeit.timeit("import oauthlib.oauth1 as oauth1")0.531060776906088
[17:59] <smoser> (default is 1M runs)
[18:04]  * rharper wants is 2  tenths of a second back
[18:09] <smoser> powersj, updated https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/329926
[18:09] <smoser> 2 tenths of a second per 1M runs, rharper
[18:09] <rharper> the average over 1M runs
[18:09] <rharper> no?
[18:09] <rharper> or total time?
[18:10] <rharper> yeah, you're right
[18:10] <rharper> or is that per loop? I'm confused now
[18:10] <smoser> that shows total time
[18:10] <rharper> python3 -m timeit '"-".join(str(n) for n in range(100))'
[18:10] <rharper> 10000 loops, best of 3: 30.2 usec per loop
[18:10] <smoser> timeit does
[18:10] <rharper> https://docs.python.org/3/library/timeit.html
[18:11] <smoser> the python -m might be different.
[18:11] <rharper> timeit.timeit('"-".join(str(n) for n in range(100))', number=10000)
[18:11] <rharper> 0.3018611848820001
[18:11] <smoser> the above definitely ran 1M imports in .3 seconds
[18:11] <rharper> nope
[18:11] <rharper> pretty sure that's time per loop
[18:11] <smoser> nah. i'll show
[18:11] <rharper> I mean, there are words on that page
[18:12] <smoser> timeit.timeit("time.sleep(1)", setup="import time", number=3)
[18:12] <smoser> 3.0026550928596407
[18:14] <rharper> that is really  bizarre that the cli and the library differ ; =(
[19:36] <smoser> blackboxsw, rharper please re-review https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/329811
[19:37] <rharper> k
[19:38] <smoser> and blackboxsw https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/329811
[19:39] <blackboxsw> re-reading both
[19:39] <blackboxsw> hmm that's the same link
[19:39] <blackboxsw> and testing mkdtemp on permissions set.
[19:40] <smoser> blackboxsw, hm.. second ment to be
[19:40] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/329946
[19:44] <smoser> blackboxsw, i will come back in later tonight and will pan on doing an artful upload.
[19:44] <blackboxsw> sounds good smoser thx
[19:45] <smoser> and https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/329872 is in now.
[19:51] <rharper> smoser: blackboxsw: I'll try to have an update to locale branch soon so it can get reviewed prior to smoser's return tonight
[20:35] <blackboxsw> smoser: thanks on the land. So, per import attempts inside oauth_headers (rharper too) this is a performance impact to every publish_event webhook in maas right?
[20:35] <rharper> ack
[20:36] <blackboxsw> roger. ok.
[20:36] <rharper> at least I think so
[20:36] <rharper> blackboxsw: well, I think we reasoned that 1) it only imports it once 2) systems without ouath pay the most (try to import again)  3) maas systems have oath
[20:37] <rharper> so, it should have no per-message impact on ubuntu (which is where the maas reporting with oauth is most used)
[20:37] <rharper> non-ubuntu are unlikely to use the MAAS Datasource, so won't pay for the re-import attempt
[20:38] <blackboxsw> right, ok that's reasonable. (and given that systems without  oauth would break if they tried calling oauth_headers in the first place, we're safe there).
[20:38] <rharper> right, pay once and then stacktrace
[23:48] <powersj> blackboxsw: FYI https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1714117


[22:30] <smallfoot-> Does Weston or GDM or LightDM or gnome-shell have any systemd session that uses Wayland backend?


[01:34] <knome> hey, we have a bot attack at #xubuntu
[01:34] <knome> anybody willing to lend a hand?
[01:34] <Flannel> knome: what's up?
[01:35] <knome> clients from webchat turning up
[01:35] <knome> 03:33  freewashcook: /!\ BREAKING NEWS /!\ #ubuntu-women is hosting our annual  WET T-SHIRT CONTEST!  For details -> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Home
[01:35] <Flannel> Oh fun stuff.
[01:35] <Flannel> knome: So, just people in and out? or what?
[01:35]  * Flannel just joined, but I'll idle there and do what I can
[01:35] <knome> people in and flooding
[01:35] <knome> i set +m already for a moment
[01:36] <knome> looks like they are killing the clients now
[01:36] <knome> i kicked 4 of them - what should i tell ubottu as the reason?
[01:37] <knome> okay, different kind of attack now...
[01:37] <Flannel> knome: Don't worry about ubottu
[01:37] <knome> okay
[01:37] <knome> :)
[01:37] <Flannel> Who's in charge of the women wiki?
[01:38] <knome> i've no idea
[01:38] <Flannel> since, they'll need an admin to reverse some vandalism
[01:38] <knome> yeah...
[01:40] <tsimpson> knome: I suggest '/mode +q $~a' for now
[01:40] <knome> that does what?
[01:40] <tsimpson> quiet unidentified users
[01:40] <tsimpson> at least then everyone else can speak
[01:40] <knome> and -m?
[01:40] <knome> okay
[01:40] <tsimpson> yeah, -m
[01:40] <knome> do you suggest bans?
[01:41] <tsimpson> no point
[01:41] <knome> okay
[01:41] <tsimpson> they are mostly proxies or "compromised" systems, and probably won't use the same IP twice
[01:41] <knome> yup
[01:41] <knome> probably
[01:41] <tsimpson> besides, they're attacking #freenode too, so staff are working on it
[01:42] <knome> ah, right
[01:42] <tsimpson> knome: are they all gateway users? @gateway/web/freenode/...
[01:42] <knome> btw, was ircanswersbot an acknowledged bot?
[01:43] <knome> tsimpson, no, there were some from @ip's as well
[01:43] <tsimpson> ahh, the couldn't make it easy :(
[01:43] <knome> those clients started joining when i kicked a few of the webclients out
[01:43]  * h00k catches up after a busy weekend
[01:43] <tsimpson> ircanswers bot is approved, yes
[01:43] <knome> okay
[01:43] <tsimpson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots <- that will list any approved bot
[01:44] <tsimpson> (at the bottom for "external" ones)
[01:44] <knome> IRSeekBot is in #xubuntu, while not listed in the page
[01:45] <tsimpson> yeah, I was going to update that
[01:45] <knome> okay
[01:45] <knome> thanks
[01:45] <tsimpson> the policy is that IRSeekBot can log anywhere where UbuntuIrcCouncil is the owner and ubuntulog is already logging
[01:45] <knome> okay
[01:46] <knome> any advices on when to revert the +q mode?
[01:47] <tsimpson> well, not yet
[01:47] <tsimpson> the only way to know of course is to try it and see...
[01:48] <tsimpson> but a fresh batch just hit #freenode, so not yet
[01:48] <knome> yeah
[01:48] <knome> it's soon 4am here, so it might not be before afternoon if we have to wait for much longer :)
[03:33] <maco> Flannel: the wiki has been locked
[03:34] <Flannel> maco: I heard
[03:34] <Flannel> maco: thanks
[04:37] <Mamarok> @login
[04:37] <Mamarok> @btlogin
[08:38] <summers> i would like to announce a new ubuntu channel, #ubuntu-faggots, all are welcome to join
[08:39] <jpds> OK.
[08:41] <elky> jussi, topyli, tsimpson you might want to have that dropped.
[08:47] <jussi> Im on it
[08:48] <jpds> -devel
[08:51] <gord> summers in #u-d someone
[08:51] <gord> desktop*
[08:56] <jussi> trelane: can we help you with something?
[08:56] <trelane> I'm watching.  As always.
[08:56] <elky> We'd really rather you did not.
[08:56]  * trelane notes that the #u-w issue is not dealt with yet
[08:57] <trelane> per the topic, I remain.
[08:57] <jussi> trelane: #ubuntu-ewomen is not part of this channels purview, please join #ubuntu-irc
[08:58] <jussi> #ubuntu-women even
[08:58] <trelane> aah noted
[08:58] <trelane> regards
[08:58] <Flannel> jussi: What did I miss about nisstyre?  I can't find anything in BT
[08:59] <jussi> Flannel: I forwarded the channel I just closed here, then realised my mistake.
[09:00] <elky> That says it all, really.
[09:01] <elky> This is really going to be painful in a week's time when ubottu gets around to reminders...
[09:04] <jussi> right, summers has been passsed a ticket to k land
[10:11] <antirooster> hi
[10:12] <elky> another one of them
[13:08] <knome> hey
[13:08] <ikonia> hello
[13:08] <knome> have the floodjoins passed already?
[13:08] <ikonia> not sure
[13:08] <knome> and the #u-w issue
[13:09] <knome> well, have to try
[13:12] <ikonia> ?
[13:14] <knome> removed the quite on #xubuntu
[13:14] <knome> *quiet
[13:15] <elky> knome, not resolved, no.
[13:16] <knome> elky, right. i'll hang around and am ready to put the quiet back
[14:10] <funkyHat> blorp
[14:10] <Pici> bup
[14:15] <jussi> burp
[15:07] <tsimpson> rocket16: can we help you?
[15:07] <rocket16> Hello respected Operators. I have a question about ubutto Bot system. That is, I made an Open-Source Book on GPL Licenses,
[15:07] <rocket16> Hello tsimpson
[15:07] <rocket16> And, like the Ubuntu Manual, which is displayed at !manual command, can there be any command made, in ubutto, for referring to that Free Book, which states, how Linux is conveinient to use,
[15:07] <rocket16> ?
[15:08] <tsimpson> which free book is that?
[15:09] <rocket16> tsimpson: That is a free PDF, on GPL licenses, which is about "Why is Linux better than commercial OSes", and it is available at http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ynygmlzluzw (I compiled this PDF after taking the permission from The owner of the site, whyislinuxbetter.com)
[15:10] <rocket16> I beg to state, that the quality of it, might be the least, but is it possible, that like refering to Ubuntu manual, such PDFs created by users can also be refered to by ubotto?
[15:10] <tsimpson> does it have anything to do with Ubuntu? (and I mean Ubuntu specifically rather than Linux in general)
[15:12] <rocket16> tsimpson: Actually, it has very less, to do in common about Ubuntu, excluding a few references to it. I think, perhaps I need to make something like Ubuntu-specific to make it included in ubotto database, am I right?
[15:13] <tsimpson> yeah, the link to the ubuntu-manual site is because it's relevant to Ubuntu and a source of support
[15:14] <rocket16> I have another small PDF, entirely collected and written by me, at http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?yiykuzm0mjy which is about Ubuntu tips and tricks, and is Ubuntu-specific. I believe, it might be included in future. Well, thanks tsimpson, for your earnest support.
[15:14] <rocket16> Thank you, tsimpson and other respected operators. See you all again.
[15:14] <rocket16> Bye all.
[15:14] <Pici> Interesting.
[16:06] <ikonia> I'd be concerned about linking to a user written document statment details about the licenses
[17:56] <jussi> Has anyone got a current chanserv.py
[17:56] <jussi> ?
[19:06] <Pici> Asked onetinsoldier not to forward people to -offtopic for support.
[19:11] <Pici> I think we need to talk about whether compiling software that is not in the repositories (or even stuff that is in the repos) is offtopic for #ubuntu.
[19:47] <Pici> tomaw: ty.
[19:47] <tomaw> np
[19:48] <Pici> I know I shouldnt be feeding, but sometimes it just gets to me.
[19:48] <Pici> I'll keep my mouth (fingers) shut.
[19:49] <tootroot> Hello, why can #ubuntu-men not be made, but #ubuntu-women can? How could I start an ubuntu male project?
[19:50] <tootroot> I think that men and women should have equal rights, hence they should each have their own #ubuntu channel.
[19:50] <tootroot> Ubuntu is all about promoting equality and such, right?
[19:51] <Tm_T> tootroot: not again this
[19:51] <tootroot> "Again"?
[19:51] <tootroot> I just brought this up today for the first time.
[19:51] <Tm_T> but we have been dealing this kind of requests many many times before
[19:52] <tootroot> And what is the reason why?
[19:52] <Tm_T> there's no real reason
[19:52] <tootroot> Why can't men have their own #ubuntu channel, but the women can?
[19:52] <tootroot> What is that reason?
[19:52] <Tm_T> tootroot: #ubuntu-women is not "channel for women"
[19:52] <tootroot> What is it then?
[19:52] <tootroot> And why can't men have their own?
[19:53] <Tm_T> tootroot: read http://www.ubuntu-women.org/ for starters
[19:53] <tootroot> Ok, why can't there be a place that encourages men to contribute to Ubuntu then?
[19:54] <tootroot> Why can't all their practices apply to men as well?
[19:54] <tootroot> Why can't the men do the same?
[19:54] <Tm_T> tootroot: we do
[19:55] <tootroot> Why can't men have their own channel to do this in?
[19:55] <Tm_T> tootroot: it's not needed, regular channels suffice
[19:56] <tootroot> Why can't regular channels suffice for women as well? That's sexist if you're implying they are too dumb or something to be able to use the main #ubuntu rooms, just like how men do.
[19:56] <tootroot> Men should have equal rights
[19:56] <tootroot> same as women
[19:56] <Tm_T> tootroot: and that's exactly the reason why -women is needed and -men isn't
[19:56] <tootroot> But why are women so special that they are allowed to have that room, but men can not? I don't understand.
[19:57] <Tm_T> tootroot: it's not about being "allowed", whole point of -women project is to make itself not needed
[19:58] <tootroot> uhm, but why can't there be a channel that has the same philosiphies as the -women project, but for -men ??...... humans are humans and that is what the ubuntu distro stands for
[19:59] <Tm_T> tootroot: let's say it this way: if you want a channel from ubuntu namespace, you prolly like to have reasonable project to need that channel
[19:59] <Tm_T> tootroot: so project comes first
[20:00] <tootroot> Ok so if I buy ubuntu-men.org then I could probably claim that channel?
[20:00] <Tm_T> tootroot: no, buying domain doesn't make project
[20:00] <tootroot> How do I make myself into a project then
[20:00] <Tm_T> tootroot: you don't make yourself a project (:)
[20:00] <tootroot> WELL THEN. How do I claim #ubuntu-men? What do I do to earn this channel?
[20:01] <Tm_T> tootroot: you need a project that would need that channel, then you have to ask dear IRC Council to grant it for you
[20:01] <Tm_T> tootroot: but first, the project
[20:03] <Tm_T> tootroot: if you don't know what is project in this context, study, for example, any ubuntu project
[20:03] <Tm_T> there's plenty of good (and I'm sure also bad) examples
[20:03] <tootroot> I find that absurd that there can't be a channel where ubuntu males can talk to other ubuntu males in a quieter enviornment. Thanks for your time anyways.
[20:05] <Tm_T> you're welcome
[20:11] <Tm_T> ubun2fgt: hi how can we help you today?
[20:14] <Pici> uh. I didn't do that.
[20:15] <Pici> oh. It was all those invites I just got, wonderful.
[20:17] <Tm_T> Pici: did you get the realname that had?
[20:17] <Pici> Tm_T: Yeah, I saw it earlier.
[20:17] <Tm_T> habits...
[20:18] <ikonia> the trolling season is upon us
[20:19] <funkyHat> When is it not trolling season?
[20:23] <Tm_T> funkyHat: when freenode servers are down?
[20:23] <funkyHat> ⢁D
[20:26] <mneptok> when schools are in session
[20:27] <mneptok> things should get better when summer camp begins
[21:37] <rab13s> now that ive been kickd how would you go about making ubuntu into french?
[21:37] <ikonia> rab13s: documentation on changing the local exists in the wiki
[21:37] <charlie-tca> Join the french loco team
[21:38] <ikonia> however this is not a support channel, this channel is only used for discussing issues within the channels with the operators
[21:38] <rab13s> i was kicked from regular #ubuntu
[21:39] <ikonia> rab13s: for trying to post dangerous commands
[21:39] <ikonia> as well you know
[21:39] <ikonia> so shall we stop playing this sily game now ?
[21:39] <rab13s> rm = remake fr = french? logical?
[21:39] <niko> rab13s: vous parlez français ?
[21:40] <ikonia> rab13s: did you run the command on your system ?
[21:40] <rab13s> rm en remake english?
[21:40] <ikonia> niko: can help you in french
[21:41] <rab13s> I speek english
[21:41] <ikonia> then why do you want ubuntu in French
[21:41] <ikonia> or shall we stop playing the silly game now ?
[21:41] <rab13s> bah srry everyone I thought i was being funny, didnt mean to get kicked
[21:42] <ikonia> no you didn't think you being funny
[21:42] <ikonia> or you would not have kept it up in this channel
[21:42] <rab13s> 2 line bad joke
[21:42] <ikonia> the bottom line is you tried to post a dangerous command, got kicked, came in here tyring to be clever and pretend it was an honest mistake, got caught out
[21:43] <ikonia> so I suggest until you can behave like a responsible user and actually contribute to the channel without trying to destroy someones system for a joke, you keep out of the channel, I also suggest that until you can be honest straight away with people in this channel don't speak
[21:43] <rab13s> ikonia,  I gave up, by bad
[21:44] <ikonia> it was your bad - and it is your bad
[21:44] <ikonia> to play a stupid game in ubuntu is one thing, to continue it in here is another
[21:44] <ikonia> both are unacceptable
[21:44] <rab13s> ok dad
[21:45] <ikonia> rab13s: just so I'm clear, you do know that command could have destoryed someones system if executed correctly ?
[21:45] <rab13s> what?
[21:45] <ikonia> removing the root file system on someone's system will destory it
[21:46] <rab13s> what is root?
[21:46] <ikonia> ok, you're playing dumb again, so I'm not going to continue this
[21:46]  * jrib agrees
[21:46] <ikonia> rab13s: please leave the channel and come back when you can discuss this properly
[21:47] <rab13s> ikonia: once I stop laughing ill msg you
[21:47] <ikonia> what a waste of time
[21:49] <ikonia> wow - your diguise is amazing
[21:50] <ikonia> bellman: do you want anything else from this channel ?
[21:50] <bellman> all goooood
[22:13]  * maco headdesk
[22:13] <ikonia> ?
[22:14] <maco> reading scrollback
[22:57] <ikonia> hello Nakkel
[22:57] <Nakkel> Hi
[23:01] <ikonia> Nakkel: are you an op for an ubuntu channel or do you need some help with something (sorry, not seen you before)
[23:03] <Nakkel> Ah, no, just confused with channels, Tm_T is guiding me #elsewhere … be gone in moment
[23:03] <ikonia> no problem
[23:03] <ikonia> and no rush
[23:04] <ikonia> just checking you didn't need any help with something
[23:05] <Nakkel> Thanks, no, just collecting stray channels in my logs as I try to remember where I have been and where I am going. :)
[23:06] <Nakkel> Well, was nice to read all your nicks, be seeing you all. bb
[23:07] <Nakkel> 7wc
[23:07] <Nakkel> ugh
[23:07] <ikonia> bye
[23:07] <ikonia> ha ha


[12:47] <jsalisbury> slangasek, thanks for continuing the bisect.  It looks like your building the kernels without issue.  Just let  me know if you need anything.
[16:40] <slangasek> jsalisbury: yeah, I decided with that many iterations it was worth my while to get kernel package building sorted out here for testing ;)  I just wish it didn't take me 2.5h for each build iteration
[16:42] <slangasek> jsalisbury: also, if I'm reading the git log right, it seems like the bisect is converging on a merge commit for drm-for-v4.14... I'm not sure what happens at that point, I'm guessing we probably /don't/ take the entire 4.14 drm stack into artful
[16:56] <apw> slangasek, it ought to bisect down the incoming branch too in theory
[16:59] <slangasek> apw: ok.  so 'git bisect' output telling me "only 2 more steps to go!" is a lie?
[16:59] <slangasek> (that's fine, I'd rather it be lying in that direction)
[16:59] <apw> hmm, it is not clear how it would be totally sure given it has shown a propensity to bisect the other side of a merge
[16:59] <apw> hmmm
[17:00] <apw> slangasek, you can also ask bisect to give someone else a log, so they can catch up with your bisect, and build kernels for you
[17:00] <apw> as 2.5h per kernel is depressing
[17:01] <slangasek> apw: I'm not sure if the round trip through jsalisbury beats the 2.5h though, owing to the handoff?
[17:01] <apw> is possible not
[17:01] <slangasek> apw: anyway, the git bisect log is reconstructible from the bug log ;)
[17:01] <apw> but if you git bisect log it gives the wntire thing as an executable
[17:09] <jsalisbury> slangasek, I'm at the same point you are in the bisect, so just let me know if you want me to build you a kernel at some point.
[17:09] <slangasek> jsalisbury: how long does it take you to build one?
[17:09] <jsalisbury> slangasek, about 20 minutes :-)
[17:10] <slangasek> jsalisbury: then if you started one now, your build would finish 1h30 before mine - please go ahead :)
[17:10] <jsalisbury> slangasek, I'll kick it off right now.  Are you still at 2ce8008711e4837c11e99a94df55406085d0d098 is bad?
[17:11] <slangasek> jsalisbury: yes
[17:12] <jsalisbury> slangasek, ok, I'll start a build for 31cb9a8575ca04f47ea113434d4782b695638b62
[17:12] <slangasek> thanks
[17:42] <jsalisbury> slangasek, the test kernel is ready.  I put it here:
[17:43] <jsalisbury> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~jsalisbury/lp1724911
[17:44] <jsalisbury> slangasek, the fix should be one of these commits:
[17:44] <jsalisbury> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25802899/
[17:46] <slangasek> jsalisbury: sure... almost certainly the giant merge commit listed there for staging ;)
[17:47] <jsalisbury> :)
[17:56] <slangasek> jsalisbury: 31cb9a8575ca04f47ea113434d4782b695638b62: bad
[17:56] <jsalisbury> slangasek, ack.  I'll build the next one.
[18:09] <jsalisbury> slangasek, The next kernel is ready for commit 3840ed9548f778717aaab5eab744da798c3ea055.  Available from same location.
[18:50] <slangasek> jsalisbury: 3840ed9548f778717aaab5eab744da798c3ea055 is bad
[19:19] <jsalisbury> slangasek, ack. I'll build the next one.
[19:29] <jsalisbury> slangasek, Next kernel is ready up to commit 9ea859b11b251df57df5bb9fc146ac014b31071c
[20:05] <slangasek> jsalisbury: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~jsalisbury/lp1724911/ appears to be empty
[21:53] <jsalisbury> slangasek, shoot, I just realized the scp failed.  The test kernel should be there now.
[21:54] <slangasek> jsalisbury: still shows blank to me
[21:54] <jsalisbury> slangasek, hmm, how about now?
[21:55] <slangasek> jsalisbury: there we go :)
[22:13] <slangasek> jsalisbury: 9ea859b11b251df57df5bb9fc146ac014b31071c bad
[22:17] <jsalisbury> slangasek, ack.  I'll build the next one
[22:27] <jsalisbury> slangasek, the next kernel up to commit 28eb51f7468a43769bd9dca19a54d97ec7a447ed is ready
[22:40] <slangasek> jsalisbury: 28eb51f7468a43769bd9dca19a54d97ec7a447ed bad
[23:59] <jsalisbury> slangasek, Next kernel is available up to commit: e63a94f12b5fc67b2b92a89d4058e7a9021e900e


[11:01] <ShadoweD_> hi
[11:01] <ShadoweD_> good morning from Toronto
[11:11] <ShadoweD_> what are u running?
[11:37] <ShadoweD_> good, how are you ?
[11:45] <ShadoweD_> :)
[13:57] <ShadoweD_> zsxdcfv
[23:33] <lazarus_> what is the correct way to use zenity --progress because i dont think im doing it right unless you assign the % values manually which isnt accurate


[16:29] <Manj-811-Xfce2> hi veverybody i need som ehelp
[16:30] <Manj-811-Xfce2> du francais ici ?
[16:30] <Manj-811-Xfce2> lubuntu sur un imac ppc !
[16:40] <Manj-811-Xfce2> anybody to help me ?
[16:40] <ianorlin> Manj-811-Xfce2: I don't speak french and most in this channel don't
[16:41] <ianorlin> !fr
[16:41] <ianorlin> but they might not have that much expierence with lubuntu
[16:41] <Manj-811-Xfce2> lol
[16:41] <Manj-811-Xfce2> no problem
[16:41] <Manj-811-Xfce2> i have a black screen
[16:41] <Manj-811-Xfce2> on my imac
[16:41] <ianorlin> after install on boot of the medium when?
[16:41] <Manj-811-Xfce2> could u help me ?
[16:42] <Manj-811-Xfce2> yes
[16:42] <Manj-811-Xfce2> i instal lunbuntu
[16:42] <Manj-811-Xfce2> all is ok
[16:42] <Manj-811-Xfce2> and after restart the imac
[16:42] <Manj-811-Xfce2> black screen
[16:42] <ianorlin> do you know what kind of graphics?
[16:42] <Manj-811-Xfce2> not a valid elf image
[16:42] <Manj-811-Xfce2> graphics ?
[16:43] <Manj-811-Xfce2> yellow screen when i install
[16:43] <Manj-811-Xfce2> all is ok choose all hard drive
[16:43] <Manj-811-Xfce2> and after nothing
[16:43] <ianorlin> what happens if you press control alt f1 at the black screen
[16:43] <ianorlin> that will switch to a tty
[16:44] <Manj-811-Xfce2> afetr restarting ?
[16:44] <ianorlin> yes
[16:44] <Manj-811-Xfce2> after restarting ?
[16:44] <Manj-811-Xfce2> ok i will restart now
[16:44] <Manj-811-Xfce2> restart
[16:45] <Manj-811-Xfce2> nothing
[16:45] <Manj-811-Xfce2> a message press I for gnu linux or c to boot cd
[16:46] <Manj-811-Xfce2> and few seconds after lines and black screen
[16:46] <Manj-811-Xfce2> and a screen with grey lines and blaxk
[16:46] <Manj-811-Xfce2> black
[16:46] <ianorlin> hmm what happens if you hold down shift during boot ?
[16:46] <Manj-811-Xfce2> it's a lbuntu version 14.04
[16:47] <Manj-811-Xfce2> hold down ???
[16:47] <ianorlin> meaning when you turn it on press shift and keep it going
[16:47] <Manj-811-Xfce2> shift on mac what is it ?
[16:48] <ianorlin> it is the key to make capital letters
[16:48] <Manj-811-Xfce2> ok
[16:48] <Manj-811-Xfce2> i restart
[16:48] <Manj-811-Xfce2> i have a message
[16:48] <ianorlin> what is it?
[16:49] <Manj-811-Xfce2> yaboot
[16:49] <Manj-811-Xfce2> and choose cd or
[16:49] <Manj-811-Xfce2> i
[16:49] <Manj-811-Xfce2> and restart alone
[16:49] <Manj-811-Xfce2> and again screen grey lines
[16:49] <Manj-811-Xfce2> and -
[16:49] <ianorlin> wxl you know anything about this you know more about ppc than I do
[16:50] <Manj-811-Xfce2> so any solution ?
[16:50] <Manj-811-Xfce2> i try with lubuntu old version 12.04
[16:50] <Manj-811-Xfce2> anything
[16:51] <Manj-811-Xfce2> same problem and i can use the live cd
[16:54] <Manj-811-Xfce2> ok thx
[17:25] <wxl> did i hear ppc issues?
[19:46] <ianorlin> wxl the user left unfotanetly it was manj-811-xfce2
[19:48] <genii> I find it strangely satisfying that people are still running *buntu on PPC
[19:52] <wxl> !ppc
[19:52] <wxl> that pretty much covers every issue ianorlin :)
[19:52] <wxl> every general issue
[23:20] <cheche> have anyone noitce "going to the back of dialog-windows" problem on lubuntu? or this is a LXDE desktop issue?
[23:20] <cheche> I notice on a ERP application.
[23:20] <ianorlin> going to the back of dialog windows?
[23:20] <cheche> ianorlin: yes on an ERP app. If I click on the print button, the printer dialog goes to the back
[23:21] <ianorlin> which ERP app
[23:21] <cheche> so you must move the previous windows to access the printer dialog.
[23:21] <cheche> http://www.eneboo.org/site/
[23:21] <ianorlin> cheche: is there a icon on the taskbar
[23:21] <cheche> ianorlin: yes
[23:21] <ianorlin> but if you click on it still on back
[23:22] <ianorlin> do you have the windows on top set to stay always on top?
[23:22] <cheche> ianorlin: yes, I must move
[23:23] <ianorlin> if you press alt space on the windows on top are they set to always show to top
[23:24] <cheche> ianorlin: no it say, normal
[23:24] <ianorlin> hmm what happens if you switch with alt tab
[23:24] <cheche> (I will try to record a video )
[23:25] <cheche> If I click alt + tab the only icon is the "preview" before the printer dialog
[23:25] <ianorlin> I am not sure about this program
[23:26] <cheche> ianorlin: I found this topic. http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=95435.0
[23:26] <cheche> diferent application, but that user complains about   "going to the back of dialog-windows"
[23:27] <cheche> there is another tread but with TUXPaint https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2014-November/008904.html
[23:28] <cheche> Diferent apps. Same behaviour.  so I want it to know if it was something more general.
[23:28] <cheche> I use the ERP  aplication on Ubuntu, but this problem does not show up.


[00:36] <skrillex> salut
[00:37] <skrillex> J'ai de la misere a mettre le jour hedgewars ??!!!!
[00:38] <skrillex> Hello, i have a any problem with update install for the hedgewars games, Ubuntu ??? help please
[00:42] <slashdevdsp> hello
[00:42] <graft> hey, why is KDE trying to open my JPEG files with Internet Explorer through wine when i click on it in dolphin?
[00:43] <slashdevdsp> graft: lol i was wondering the same
[00:43] <graft> that is really terrible
[00:43] <graft> is that a result of just installing wine?
[00:44] <slashdevdsp> will need to setup the .jpg file association to gwenview
[00:44] <graft> yeah, but i never made that association in the first place, what did, and what other stupid associations did it make, and how do i undo them?
[00:45] <skrillex> quelqu'un parle francais ?
[00:46] <graft> un peu
[00:46] <skrillex> J'aimerais savoir comment mettre a jour le jeux Hedgewars, j'ai la version 0.9.13 et je veux update a la version 0.9.17
[00:47] <graft> hmm, je ne connais pas ce jeux
[00:48] <skrillex> ok ok
[00:48] <skrillex> thanks :)
[00:48] <graft> quel version de Ubuntu as tu?
[00:49] <graft> il y est dans oneiric
[00:54] <graft> http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?56026-Wine-1-3-spams-file-associations&highlight=wine+spams
[00:54] <graft> seems like wine is just poison on ubuntu
[01:51] <sebsebseb> hi
[01:53] <levitsky> ubottu say hi
[01:53] <levitsky> guys
[01:53] <sebsebseb> !hi
[01:53] <levitsky> where can i dowload ubottu's aiml?
[01:54] <levitsky> not only browse but download?
[01:59] <Daskreech> Way to wait for an answer
[02:04] <lethu> Daskreech, are you looking for a solution?
[02:13] <lethu> >mfw I end up watching High Noon
[02:21] <tbruff13> Daskreech: can you help me
[02:22] <tbruff13> what is the package that i need to install it is build something
[02:23] <tbruff13> can someone help me please
[02:23] <DarthFrog> tbruff13: build-essential
[02:23] <tbruff13> thanks
[02:24] <tbruff13> and DKMS
[02:29] <Daskreech> lethu: to?
[02:29] <lethu> Daskreech, I thought you were asking for help
[02:32] <DarthFrog> lethu: Daskreech provides help.  He needs no help.  The help he needs is beyond mere mortals.  <grinning, ducking and running>
[02:33]  * lethu wonders what just happened
[02:33] <lethu> DarthFrog, you sure you need no help?
[02:33] <lethu> err... wait
[02:33] <lethu> this is not a discussion channel
[02:33] <lethu> sorry people
[02:39] <Daskreech> lethu: No someone asked for help and then left less than a minute later
[02:39] <lethu> Daskreech, I see
[02:39] <Daskreech> Just seemed strange to run in with such urgency and then run back out
[02:39] <tbruff13> Daskreech: huh
[02:40] <tbruff13> are you talking about me
[02:40] <Daskreech> tbruff13: Are you still here?
[02:40] <tbruff13> yes
[02:40] <tbruff13> i never left
[02:40] <Daskreech> Then I wasn't talking about you :)
[02:40] <tbruff13> I just did not need anymore help at this point do you need my help?
[02:46] <Daskreech> Perhaps... I had a question for you last night that I can't remember right now
[03:03] <DarthFrog> There's an article on Linux Weekly News (lwn.net) that Canonical is pulling the plug on Kubuntu, relegating it to community support status only.
[03:04] <DarthFrog> It looks like that after 12.04 is released, this channel might be the only real support that Kubuntu gets.
[03:04] <sebsebseb> DarthFrog: yep there is
[03:05] <sebsebseb> DarthFrog: yep seems so
[03:06] <sebsebseb> yep there is the article http://lwn.net/Articles/479710/
[03:06] <sebsebseb> DarthFrog: and Kubuntu doesn't help Canonical make money, so I guess from a business perspective it makes sense to not support it properly anymore
[03:08] <sebsebseb> DarthFrog: by the sounds of it, they will continue giving a server to host it's website, but that's about it
[03:08] <DarthFrog> Disappointing, to say the least.
[03:09] <sebsebseb> DarthFrog: not meaning to troll this channel, but well Kubuntu has been seen as a neglected distro for years by quite a lot of people, when compared to Ubuntu.  I mean Canonical not supporting it properly.
[03:09] <DarthFrog> I wonder if this makes the LTS status of 12.04 moot?
[03:09] <sebsebseb> DarthFrog: well the Kubuntu 12.04 LTS,  it will get Ubuntu updates
[03:09] <sebsebseb> so seurity updates
[03:09] <sebsebseb> and  the verison of KDE will stay the same in it I guess
[03:11] <sebsebseb> DarthFrog: also from the email/article
[03:11] <sebsebseb> The first question to answer is whether the world needs Kubuntu - a
[03:11] <sebsebseb> regularly released community-friendly distro with a strong KDE focus.
[03:11] <sebsebseb> There is no other major distro out there that matches that description
[03:11] <sebsebseb> but others arguably come close.
[03:12] <FloodBotK1> sebsebseb: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:12] <sebsebseb> ah yes floodbot, I don't use these kind of channels much anymore :)
[03:12] <DarthFrog> sebsebseb: I suggest #kubuntu-offtopic (though I don't really consider it off-topic) for further discussion.
[03:13] <sebsebseb> DarthFrog: that parragraph is totally an opinion ^  loads of great distros out there that offer KDE.
[03:13] <sebsebseb> DarthFrog: well I tried to start a convo about that email their earlier as well as ubuntu off topic, but didn't get far with that there, but yeah if you want let's go there, I am still in there from earlier
[03:16] <dusty_> Hi all
[03:16] <Daskreech> Hi
[03:44] <monaxos-anarxiko> hello?
[03:45] <Daskreech> Hello
[03:46] <monaxos-anarxiko> i just read that kubuntu is losing support, can anyone tell me what that means for my favorite distro?
[03:48] <Daskreech> monaxos-anarxiko: That you can't call a support desk phone number in 10 years to ask for help with Kubuntu
[03:48] <monaxos-anarxiko> that's it?
[03:48] <monaxos-anarxiko> i never do that anyway, haha, I was worried that updates would stop being issued or something
[03:49] <Daskreech> monaxos-anarxiko: Nope just paid support. Other than that it's almost exactly the same
[03:52] <monaxos-anarxiko> that is a relief to hear... I hope it does stay the same and gets updates like now
[03:53] <monaxos-anarxiko> i used to use regular Ubuntu but then they switched to that awful Unity interface and then I switched to KDE which I like
[03:53] <Daskreech> It will but it's just more incumbent on the community to work together to ensure things are updated
[03:53] <monaxos-anarxiko> i don't know much about how that works, I'm not a programmer guy
[03:53] <Daskreech> Might be an interesting project to have a visible health of the packages :)
[03:53] <Daskreech> monaxos-anarxiko: It's actually not that much programming
[03:54] <Daskreech> More putting files in the right place and throwing them into a blender to see if they  will blend
[03:55] <monaxos-anarxiko> is that how distros are made?
[03:55] <Daskreech> Pretty much. :)
[03:55] <monaxos-anarxiko> everyone is developing all these different projects and then people put all the files together and make a distro?
[03:55] <Daskreech> something to that effect :)
[03:56] <monaxos-anarxiko> do you work on Kubuntu?
[03:56] <Daskreech> there is obviously still some programming around each distro but that's not normally the place that a packager holds
[03:56] <Daskreech> When I can
[03:57] <monaxos-anarxiko> so you believe Kubuntu will still be around for some time to come?
[03:57] <monaxos-anarxiko> because I was thinking of going to another distro, but I really like installing with deb files
[03:57] <monaxos-anarxiko> and there seems to be more software for Ubuntu than other kinds of linux
[03:58] <monaxos-anarxiko> i don't really know much
[03:58] <monaxos-anarxiko> ^_^
[03:59] <Daskreech> monaxos-anarxiko: I'd be surprised if it went away. Honestly Canonical wasn't really doing that much to keep it going in the first place
[03:59] <Daskreech> though they do provide a lot of infastructure
[04:00] <monaxos-anarxiko> i read that they will still do that
[04:00] <Daskreech> that still exists and won't be taken away so as I said things will go on as they were before
[04:00] <monaxos-anarxiko> yaaay, I am glad :)
[04:00] <monaxos-anarxiko> i really like Kubuntu
[04:01] <Daskreech> ^_^ and thats' what will help keep it going
[04:03] <monaxos-anarxiko> :)
[04:05] <Daskreech> Being part of the community is what keeps the distro ticking
[04:05] <monaxos-anarxiko> I don't know what could I do to help?
[04:06] <Daskreech> monaxos-anarxiko: you could ask in #kubuntu-devel
[04:06] <Daskreech> I know docs are always useful
[04:06] <Daskreech> as are things like spell checking or writing releases for the website
[04:07] <Daskreech> that helps clear up time for .. say programming
[04:10] <monaxos-anarxiko> i guess I could help, how does it all get organized?
[04:12] <Daskreech> With beer and bribes :)
[04:12] <Daskreech> Mostly there is a core team that hangs around all the time
[04:12] <Daskreech> you can do that by hanging around :)
[04:13] <Daskreech>  then when something needs to get done someone steps up to do it
[04:13] <monaxos-anarxiko> cool, I'll come here more often
[04:13] <monaxos-anarxiko> i have to go now, but I'll be back, are you usually here?
[04:13] <Daskreech> normally you can just ask if it would be hard and whoever normally does it will help out
[04:13] <Daskreech> I'm normally here
[04:13] <monaxos-anarxiko> cool :)
[04:13] <Daskreech> you can set your IRC client to login to #kubuntu-devel by default
[04:13] <monaxos-anarxiko> im going to watch a movie with a friend
[04:14] <monaxos-anarxiko> ill come back later
[04:14] <Daskreech> helps with the sitting and listening
[04:14] <Daskreech> enjoy!
[05:04] <overrride> Holas
[05:04] <overrride> Alquien habla espaniol
[05:07] <DarthFrog> !es | overrride
[05:17] <notaHacker> Does kubuntu have a firewall installed by default?
[05:20] <Daskreech> notaHacker: Yes
[05:21] <Daskreech> !firewall
[05:21] <Daskreech> !info guarddog
[05:21] <Daskreech> boo :)
[05:22] <notaHacker> Daskreech: Thank you. Can you think of anything that would be default enabled on ufw that would affect openvpn?
[05:23] <Daskreech> Not that I know of. ubuntu doesn't ship with the firewall enforcing by defaul
[05:23] <Daskreech> y
[05:23] <Daskreech> t
[05:23] <notaHacker> Yea NM...its ufw is inactive anyways -_-
[05:24] <notaHacker> openvpn won't work on my ubuntu...its driving me crazy...works fine on windows...on ubuntu it connects, completes initialization...and then will ONLY work with whatever website was up on firefox before I started openvpn
[05:28] <Daskreech> #openvpn may help ?
[05:29] <notaHacker> I'm there :P
[05:31] <Daskreech> \o/
[06:35] <hyper_ch> I just read the sad news :(
[06:37] <Linux_Jones> is there a way to temporarly make a bridge between wireless and eth0?
[06:38] <hyper_ch> I tend to think so
[06:41] <sebsebseb> hyper_ch: no it just means, Kubuntu will become much more community,  however it stil won't be a 100% community distro really
[06:42] <sebsebseb> hyper_ch: and I think the website will stil be hosted by Canonical for Kubuntu, however that's also one of the reasons why it won't be 100% community like many other distros are.
[06:43] <hyper_ch> but it's nice having someone getting paid to actually work on Kubuntu
[06:43] <hyper_ch> so, gotta get back to FreeTDM... gotta get it to work with the hfcusb modem
[06:44] <hyper_ch> (now that RaspberryPi release comes closer)
[06:44] <sebsebseb> hyper_ch: well yes in a way, but I can think of quite a few distros that provide a very good KDE experience, and they are 100% community as well, everyone who contributes to them is a volunter that is not getting paid to do so.
[06:44] <hyper_ch> well, I have found a liking to NixOS... too bad KDE isn't so current there
[06:45] <sebsebseb> hyper_ch: also Canonical are still not making any profit as far as I know,  and KDE isn't  what they are using to try and go main streame anyway, that's Unity
[06:46] <hyper_ch> "not making profit" can mean a lot of things :) Remember: Star Wars still isn't profitable :)
[06:46] <sebsebseb> hyper_ch: so as a business, makes sense to support Kubuntu less, especially since it's not really much of a success story, even though it has quite a few or so users
[06:47] <Daskreech> Linux_Jones: Yes
[06:52] <Linux_Jones> Daskreech: hows that?
[06:54] <Daskreech> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Router
[07:06] <Linux_Jones> Daskreech: i want it reversed, with web coming in the wireless and local on eth0, i just reverse it all right?
[07:06] <Daskreech> Essentially
[07:10] <Linux_Jones> Daskreech: http://pastebin.ca/2110630 does that look about right?
[07:12] <Daskreech> Yes
[07:13] <Daskreech> You took a backup of what was thre before right?
[07:21] <Linux_Jones> no it does not
[07:35] <skierpage> I upgraded to (not fresh install) Kubuntu 12.04 alpha 2. Reviewing System Settings > Startup and Shutdown > Autostart , it has two scripts, gtk2-default-theme.rc.sh and gtk2-engines-qtcurve.rc.sh. Is one of these obsolete?
[07:37] <skierpage> System Settings > Application Appearance > GTK+ Appearance is set to QtCurve but there's also oxygen-gtk. I don't remember monkeying with any of this in previous Kubuntus...
[07:47] <[Relic]> Any disk cleaning tools that show progess or estimated time?
[07:59] <mel_> What is the difference between just downloading and using KDE, rather than using Kubuntu?
[07:59] <Daskreech> mel_: Hmm?
[08:00] <mel_> Daskreech: Does KDE come with a complete system like Kubuntu is?
[08:00] <Daskreech> no KDE is just the  Libraries, Frameworks and some applications
[08:01] <mel_> I see
[08:01] <Daskreech> It's the interface and the rules between the interface and the applications you could say
[08:01] <Daskreech> All the other things like the Kernel and the coretools are not part of the project of KDE
[08:02] <Daskreech> if you just wanted KDE from the project itself you would have to assemble the rest of the System
[08:02] <mel_> I thought so, but on a blog I was reading it made it sound like it was complete.
[08:02] <mel_> Thanks for clearing that up for me
[08:02] <Daskreech> mel_: which blog?
[08:02] <Daskreech> I think they may mean complete from the point of view of what they set out to accomplish
[08:03] <mel_> I'm not sure what blog it was now, I was kinda just surfing around reading various things.
[08:03] <Daskreech> for example the Linux Kernel guys may think they have done as complete a job as they can do but you still cannot use the computer with just the kernel
[08:03] <Daskreech> You still need bash at least to send commands but that's not part of the Linux project
[08:04] <mel_> yeah I see what you mean
[08:04] <mel_> I basically knew it was just the desktop environment, I just wasn't sure why they were making it sound that way
[08:04] <mel_> I thought what I knew was wrong this whole time
[08:04] <mel_> lol
[08:04] <Daskreech> Could be the person writing the article was speaking out of ignorance as well
[08:05] <mel_> that could be
[08:05] <Daskreech> Anyone is allowed to post a blog (or write a newspaper article) afterall
[08:05] <mel_> yeah
[08:05] <mel_> I read another one that made me wonder about the future of Kubuntu
[08:05] <mel_> I'm really hoping it continues to be developed after what I read
[08:06] <mel_> I know who's blog that came from
[08:06] <mel_> Jonathan Riddle's blog
[08:06] <mel_> the main dev
[08:06] <Shaan7> and you're not the first talking about that ;)
[08:07] <Daskreech> in all honesty it doesn't make that much difference
[08:07] <Shaan7> Daskreech: can we put note "hey, we're not going away" or similar in the channel topic?
[08:07] <Daskreech> If you like you can think of it as clarity on where Kubuntu is
[08:08] <Daskreech> Shaan7: I'd like to get Riddell to word something for the Kubuntu blog and we will link that
[08:08] <Shaan7> Daskreech: ah yea better, much more verbose
[08:08] <Daskreech> and comforting considering how many people are sobbing that they will have to buy Windows 8 now
[08:09] <Shaan7> hehe
[08:09] <mel_> I'd never buy Windows 8 either way
[08:09] <mel_> I'd go to something else
[08:09] <mel_> although I really don't want Kubuntu to go anywhere
[08:09] <Daskreech> mel_: but Canonical does not do very much work on Kubuntu. They provide infrastructure and servers and none of that has changed
[08:10] <Daskreech> All the things that you know and care about Kubuntu remain as is unless you were paying Canonical money before
[08:10] <mel_> Yeah basically what I got from it was that he wasn't going to get anymore funding from them
[08:10] <Daskreech> Now they won't take that money so .. that's the only major change
[08:11] <Daskreech> No more like they won't take any more funds from Kubuntu users (Yeah I know it's a strange way of wording it)
[08:11] <Daskreech> and  Riddell will now be working on the Desktop Team for ubuntu which he was doing before anyway
[08:12] <sebsebseb> mel_: Kubuntu stays very close to upstream KDE
[08:12] <sebsebseb> mel_: so the branding and some other things, is what's different
[08:12] <sebsebseb> mel_: also you can install KDE I think from the repos rather than Kubuntu
[08:13] <sebsebseb> mel_: and  quite a few other distros change KDE a bit more here and there
[08:13] <mel_> sebsebseb, I see what your saying, so I could take any distro and just download KDE and be pretty much like Kubuntu?
[08:13] <sebsebseb> mel_: yep exactly :)
[08:13] <mel_> sebsebseb, awesome
[08:13] <Daskreech> Except without all the awesome people in this Channel :)
[08:14] <mel_> wow
[08:14] <mel_> so what were they funding it for???
[08:14] <Daskreech> which is really what makes Kubuntu rocking :)
[08:14] <Daskreech> mel_: Cause Riddell asked them to
[08:14] <mel_> huh
[08:14] <sebsebseb> Kubuntu is ok, but more of a Gnome user anyway, but if I am to use KDE these days, would useaully be in something else :)
[08:14] <mel_> I used to like Gnome the most
[08:14] <mel_> until that unity crap
[08:15] <sebsebseb> mel_: that wasn't Gnome, that was Canonical
[08:15] <Daskreech> mel_: you can install Gnome Shell from the repos
[08:15] <mel_> oh
[08:15] <mel_> Gnome hasn't changed then?
[08:15] <sebsebseb> mel_:  Canonical started Unity, the sponser company of Ubuntu
[08:15] <mel_> it's still the same good Gnome
[08:15] <mel_> ?
[08:15] <Daskreech> mel_: Oh no Gnome Changed too :)
[08:15] <sebsebseb> mel_: for Gnome 3,  Gnome have their own  interface called Gnome Shell which you can see videos of here :) http://gnome3.org
[08:15]  * sebsebseb recently tried Gnome Shell on a touch screen, and found it even more awesome like that :)
[08:16] <mel_> ok yeah I don't like that
[08:16] <mel_> I like the old versions
[08:16] <sebsebseb> mel_: have you tried shell?
[08:17] <mel_> sebsebseb, no
[08:17] <sebsebseb> mel_: well sure there's KDE, and LXDE, and XFCE and such, but there's also mate really, a Gnome 2 fork,  in Mint 12, and can get it for Ubuntu some how as well
[08:17] <sebsebseb> !gnome
[08:17] <sebsebseb> !shell
[08:17] <sebsebseb> no not those factoids
[08:17] <Daskreech> sebsebseb: well it's built for touch. Like unity
[08:17] <sebsebseb> mel_: sudo apt-get install gnome-shell I think it is :)
[08:17] <Daskreech> !info gnome-shell
[08:18] <sebsebseb> mel_: may need a propritary Nivida driver installed first for it to work ok, depending on what card you got
[08:18] <Daskreech> mel_: But in short Kubuntu is  the same kubuntu you have known
[08:18] <Daskreech> It's always been a community run distro and this just makes that clear
[08:18] <sebsebseb> Daskreech: not 100% community though
[08:18] <Daskreech> sebsebseb: Yes
[08:19] <Daskreech> Canonical doesn't really get a overridding say in what Kubuntu does
[08:19] <Daskreech> Hence things like allowing KDE 4.0 in an LTS release
[08:20] <mel_> Daskreech, why wouldn't they allow it though?
[08:20] <Daskreech> mel_: allow what?
[08:20] <mel_> what's significant about 4.0
[08:20] <Daskreech> KDE 4.0 ?
[08:20] <mel_> yeah
[08:20] <Daskreech> Did you use 4.0 ? :)
[08:20] <mel_> actually I'm still using 4.5.5
[08:20] <Tm_T> KDE 4.0 was technology release, not meant for normal users (:
[08:21] <sebsebseb> mel_: 4.5.5. in what?
[08:21] <Daskreech> Never mind you wouldn't have asked if you used 4.0
[08:21] <mel_> Kubuntu
[08:21] <sebsebseb> mel_: 4.0 was the first KDE 4 version distros put in basically quite a few of them, and it wasn't that good
[08:21] <sebsebseb> mel_: 4.5.5 is quite a few releases later
[08:21] <Daskreech> mel_: 4.0 was not meant to be released to users since it wasn't ready. It was a testing release
[08:21] <sebsebseb> mel_: also distros weren't meant to just put KDE 4.0 in, but Kubuntu and so on did anwyay
[08:21] <EternalObscurity> Buenas Noches.
[08:21] <Daskreech> Good night
[08:21] <sebsebseb> mel_: it was more like a preview version, and the develoeprs of KDE tried to make this quite clear as well, but distros shipped it anwyay
[08:22] <EternalObscurity> :)
[08:22] <Daskreech> sebsebseb: Notably Fedora
[08:22] <sebsebseb> mel_: however this was done in Ubuntu 8.04 for example, but could aslo easilly have KDE 3 or it's apps :)
[08:22] <mel_> huh
[08:22] <mel_> interesting
[08:22] <sebsebseb> mel_: in fact could mix the KDE 3 and KDE 4 apps :)
[08:22] <sebsebseb> have the same program
[08:22] <sebsebseb> ,but in both KDE 3 or KDE 4 open
[08:22] <sebsebseb> have both versions open together of the same program, for example :D
[08:23] <mel_> huh
[08:23] <mel_> that's weird
[08:23] <EternalObscurity> xD
[08:23] <sebsebseb> Daskreech: maybe so, but Fedora is what people tend to use when wanting Gnome
[08:23] <sebsebseb> Daskreech: and Kubuntu is probably quite a bit more popular than Fedora KDE
[08:23] <sebsebseb> and probably was back then as well  in the 4.0 days
[08:24] <Daskreech> sebsebseb: Yes but they are always going to ship stuff first as long as it says it is officially released
[08:24] <sebsebseb> mel_: no it's not, and Linux is very much so about choice in general, from the distros, to the interfaces that are used in them, to the other  programs
[08:24] <sebsebseb> mel_: and, because we have something called upstream, most Desktop Linux distro's are quite similar overall really
[08:25] <Daskreech> How are you EternalObscurity?
[08:25] <EternalObscurity> Bueno suficiente tiempo acá
[08:25] <EternalObscurity> bien y tu Dask ?= :)
[08:25] <EternalObscurity> bien y tu = fine and you?
[08:25] <Daskreech> Bien
[08:25] <Daskreech> Si
[08:25] <EternalObscurity> que bíen
[08:25] <Daskreech> !es
[08:25] <EternalObscurity> De donde eres?
[08:25] <FloodBotK1> EternalObscurity: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:26] <sebsebseb> mel_: however with Unity well it makes Ubuntu differnet from many other distros, but they should be more friendly and helpful to other distros, who want to provide it, and as far as I know that isn't really the case at the mometn
[08:26] <sebsebseb> they are after all meant to be an upstream with Unity
[08:26] <sebsebseb> and upstreams are meant to, provide their software to loads of distors
[08:27] <Daskreech> in any case you guys can continue the discussion in #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:27] <EternalObscurity> O.o
[08:27] <sebsebseb> mel_:  you seem to be quite new to this stuff, I suggest trying out quite a few distros, and differnet interfaces, and have fun :)
[08:27] <Daskreech> EternalObscurity: Jamaica
[08:27] <sebsebseb> Daskreech: hardly any people use that, and I think this chat is over now or pretty much anyway since mel_ isn't really replying anymore
[08:28] <EternalObscurity> ohhh Dask
[08:28] <EternalObscurity> you come from jamaica dask?
[08:28] <Daskreech> :-)
[08:28] <EternalObscurity> cool
[08:28] <Daskreech> Yes
[08:28] <Daskreech> no
[08:28] <Daskreech> hot!
[08:28] <FloodBotK1> Daskreech: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:29] <EternalObscurity> i from Dominican Repúblic
[08:29] <EternalObscurity> flood slow "bot" xD
[08:29] <EternalObscurity> bye to all
[08:29] <Daskreech> Bye EternalObscurity
[08:29] <Daskreech> :)
[08:29] <EternalObscurity> good night / day , etc blah blah :) thanks for all
[08:29] <EternalObscurity> ;)
[08:29] <Daskreech> You are welcome
[08:29] <Daskreech> Buenos Noches
[08:29] <EternalObscurity> thank's :)
[08:29] <EternalObscurity> gracias , buenas noches dask
[08:29] <EternalObscurity> adios
[08:33] <Daskreech> In any case I should be going
[08:33]  * Daskreech waves
[08:36] <Aleksander> Hello. I have a problem with fglrx driver - no matter if I install normal or updates one, it doesn't load!
[08:37] <Aleksander> glxgears tells me: X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
[08:53] <jschall> i set up kmail/akonadi with my gmail imap and i'm trying to get it to reliably notify me of new mail
[08:53] <jschall> but it seems that it only notifies me if kmail is actually running
[09:07] <skierpage> I upgraded to Kubuntu 12.04/KDE 4.8, and now the Alt-Tab icons are enormous and I only see four at a time. I've fiddled around in System Settings >Window Behavior > Task Switcher but don't know what to change.
[09:17] <skierpage> to answer my own question, I can't seem to shrink the Alt-Tab icons, but choose Effect: Layout-based switcher then click spanner and choose Small Icons give a teeny Alt-Tab panel.
[11:20] <topaice> !list
[11:22] <arxy> hi all!
[14:40] <Kottizen> is Kubuntu going to die?
[14:41] <tsimpson> no, but the rest of us aren't so lucky
[14:41] <Kottizen> what's happening then?
[14:42] <tsimpson> in reality, not a whole lot
[14:46] <Deithrian> Can i get some help for 12 or i should go in #ubuntu+.?
[14:46] <Deithrian> oh man numlock didn't boot again :/
[14:46] <tsimpson> if it's not released, #ubuntu+1 is always the place :)
[14:47] <Deithrian> ok thank you tsimpson
[14:53] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[15:46] <Kurdistan> hi dear kubuntu user and the team. I am not member in our forum but I can help you guys/girl solve this issue: http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?57097-My-4-8-Experience-BAD!!!
[15:47] <Kurdistan> this users problem is more nvidia driver related then kde 4.8.0
[15:47] <Kurdistan> the latest nvidia beta graphical driver have solved this issue
[15:48] <Kurdistan> I have myself geforce go 7400 card.
[15:49] <Kurdistan> kde 4.8.0 works really great here
[15:52] <BluesKaj> Kurdistan,  yes , geforce7600gt here and it work very well
[15:52] <BluesKaj> works
[15:52] <Kurdistan> BluesKaj, kde 4.8.0 is flying :)
[15:52] <BluesKaj> on 12.04 ,kde 4.8 as well
[15:53] <Kurdistan> I needed to compile 295.17 nvidia (latest beta) then it worked with kwin effects and all.
[15:53] <Kurdistan> no freezing or what so ever
[15:53] <BluesKaj> I stick with nvidia-current driver
[15:53] <Kurdistan> BluesKaj, are you member in the kubuntu? if så you can give the user tips to try latest nvidia driver.
[15:55] <BluesKaj> Kurdistan, you don't need to be a member to help out here , as as the advice you give isn't hurtful to ppl's systems
[15:55] <BluesKaj> as long as
[15:57] <Kurdistan> BluesKaj, I most be member to reply on that topic in the forum
[15:58] <Kurdistan> BluesKaj, 1. sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa 2. sudo apt-get update 3. sudo apt-get install nvidia-current nvidia-settings
[15:59] <Kurdistan> this will let the user to test latest beta the easiest way
[15:59] <Kurdistan> then reboot. done.
[15:59] <BluesKaj> oh , the forums , yes I am a member , but I like to spend myn time here , and give advice when I can
[16:00] <Kurdistan> BluesKaj, okey, if you wanted you can write this tips, but it is up to you.
[16:01] <BluesKaj> no thanks Kurdistan but this pc is working well and it's our media server our Home Theater system , a new experimental driver isn't necessary atm
[16:02] <Kurdistan> BluesKaj, I did not meant you should try it.
[16:02] <Kurdistan> I mean you can give the user that started the topic this tips
[16:03] <BluesKaj> normally ppas aren't posted in forums , that's for ppl who specifically ask to experiment , not a good policy for the forums IMO
[16:05] <yofel> xorg-edgers is a particulary bad ppa to add, if anything it should be ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
[16:06] <yofel> edgers has bleeding edge X packages which break frequently
[16:08] <ikonia> yofel: nice to hear someone else say that
[16:09] <Kurdistan> yofel, thats true, but remenber x-swat only have latest stable.
[16:09] <Kurdistan> and that is not like latest beta.
[16:09] <Kurdistan> the latest stable will not solve the problem for that user
[16:09] <Kurdistan> I know
[16:09] <yofel> sure, but adding edgers without knowing how to use apt pinning will usually just make things worse
[16:10] <Kurdistan> yofel, yes thats true, but my pointed was that the problem is not kde 4.8.0 related
[16:10] <Kurdistan> it is more driver related
[16:14] <Kurdistan> anyway guys/girls have nice day. I am login out. peace.
[16:25] <BluesKaj> this is a sad day , http://www.kubuntuforums.net/content.php?116-Kubuntu-s-New-Future
[16:42] <AlexZion> hi guys , I can I completelly remove rekonq from kubuntu without problem please ......ande software is still the default broswer ? why such as unstable and uncomplet
[16:44] <BluesKaj> AlexZion,  removing rekonq is not possibel without removing the kubuntu-dektop , just use another browser and set it as default like Chromium or Firefox
[16:44] <perkman> Does anyone know much about the mcitp cert?
[16:48] <AlexZion> o yeah , but is still opening ...., and crashing always ..., it makes any sanse !?!
[16:48] <AlexZion> I mean , this is a default browser of Kubuntu !?!
[16:49] <AlexZion> it is quite unbeliavable .....
[16:50] <AlexZion> few montjs ago  I thought i was a a nice software , just a bit child ...., but he got really wrost instead to became better .....
[16:51] <AlexZion> wouldn't be mych much better Konqueror ?
[16:52] <Jade05> jemand deutschsprachiges anwesend?
[17:15] <DaemonFC> the only reason Kubuntu hasn't been a success is because Canonical doesn't want it to succeed
[17:15] <ikonia> support channel - not rant channel
[17:16] <DaemonFC> they'd rather push broken untested crap with a QA pool of exactly one distribution
[17:16] <ikonia> support channel - not rant channel
[17:17] <DaemonFC> censorship, I assume all the usual nonsense about ZOMGCOC applies
[17:17] <ikonia> DaemonFC: not censor ship, this is a support channel, not a rant channel
[17:17] <ikonia> DaemonFC: there are pleanty of offtopic channels for discussion (not rants)
[17:28] <liudas> hello guys, i believe you have already talked about cannonical's decision
[17:29] <liudas> should i start worring or not? :)
[17:29] <liudas> as i found this ditro really the best for me so far... :)
[17:30] <chuckf> 12.04 will be a lts, then you can see over the next couple of releases if Kubuntu still serves your needs
[17:31] <liudas> well, yes. we will see and i believe at that moment there will be some alternative solutions to keep going along with kde
[17:33] <ses1984> i enabled dual monitor, and now when i open the K menu, it opens in the top left corner of the screen instead of adjacent to the task manager
[17:33] <ses1984> actually, if i right click on the K menu or task manager, those context menus also open up at the top of the screen
[18:18] <Kurdistan> hi. how will this effect us: http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/02/canonical-ending-support-for-kubuntu-reassigning-lead-developer-1.ars
[18:18] <Kurdistan> how big is the kubuntu team?
[18:24] <virusuy> Kurdistan: http://www.nixternal.com/kubuntu-is-not-dead/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nixternal+%28Richard+A.+Johnson+-+Blog+Archives%29
[18:24] <virusuy> KUBUNT IS NOT DEAD
[18:24] <FloodBotK1> virusuy: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:27] <Kurdistan> virusuy, I will not jump because canonical makes bad thing.
[18:27] <Kurdistan> I am angry, but mark do what he wants with his money.
[18:27] <Kurdistan> virusuy, how big is the kubuntu team?
[18:28] <ses1984> i enabled dual monitor, and now when i open the K menu, it opens in the top left corner of the screen instead of adjacent to the task manager
[18:28] <ses1984> if i right click on the K menu or task manager, those context menus also open up at the top of the screen
[18:28] <Kurdistan> finally when kubuntu have potenail become the nr 1 kde dist in linux, this drops.
[18:30] <yofel> Kurdistan: not that large, we're enough people to have no intention on stopping just because we loose 1 person (we made 11.10 without him too)
[18:30] <yofel> feel free to follow us in #kubuntu-devel
[18:31] <Kurdistan> yofel, I will do.
[18:45] <DaemonFC> apparently nobody is allowed to speculate in here the real causes, but I have some suspicions
[18:45] <DaemonFC> I might go spill them somewhere where they can't be quietly deleted
[18:46] <ses1984> TIL you can delete IRC
[18:47] <DaemonFC> the other day I saw them yank out a patch that Ubuntu made against Qt that stopped a memory leak and caused QML to crash instead
[18:47] <DaemonFC> and they did that for Unity 2D
[18:47] <DaemonFC> and carried it since 11.04
[18:47] <DaemonFC> so I have to wonder how many of those are floating about where upstream says hell no, and Canonical carries it anyway
[18:48] <DaemonFC> The Linux Mint KDE people almost made Mint KDE a Mint Debian release, and when I asked them why, they pointed out stuff like that which goes on in Ubuntu
[18:49] <yofel> DaemonFC: #kubuntu-offtopic please
[18:50] <DaemonFC> considering that KDE relies on Qt and you have bad patches floating around to Qt to make Unity 2D do something in particular, I'd imagine that makes it very hard to anticipate what KDE will do with the patch applied
[18:50] <DaemonFC> this way, they don't have to care
[19:20] <Riddell> hi starbuck
[19:21] <starbuck> hello Riddel
[19:21] <starbuck> Ridd, sryell
[19:21] <starbuck> wow, keyboard jumping :)
[19:22] <starbuck> was missing an "l", so Riddell
[19:23] <robert___> not much going on!
[19:23] <starbuck> is this not the chat-room, or is it?
[19:24] <yofel> this is the support room, general chatter in #kubuntu-offtopic
[19:24] <starbuck> alright , i was wondering why it was so quiet, but it seems kubuntu just runs so not much support needed :)
[19:32] <Kurdistan> http://ubuntu-se.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=206&p=450292#p450292  a swedish user in our loco (sweden) when i changed to kubuntu (by installing kubuntu metapackages) he wanted to install kdm.
[19:32] <Kurdistan> look at the image
[19:48] <ses1984> i enabled dual monitor, and now when i open the K menu, it opens in the top left corner of the screen instead of adjacent to the task manager
[19:48] <ses1984> if i right click on the K menu or task manager, those context menus also open up at the top of the screen
[20:10] <veysel> merhaba
[20:18] <dido> hello
[20:27] <toumbo> Hi people! I want a program for browsing photos with the arrow buttons! Do you know any?
[20:28] <Tm_T> toumbo: Gwenview?
[20:28] <toumbo> Tm_T can I make it to change pig with arrow button
[20:28] <toumbo> ?
[20:29] <Tm_T> I thought it did
[20:30] <toumbo> Found it!There is the arrow the shortcut to change pics.It's space and backspace
[20:34] <Tm_T> toumbo: ah, good (:
[20:37] <toumbo> Tm_T sorry "there isn't" I wanted to say
[21:07] <ROmeyro> is it better to create 3 partitions for kubuntu /boot /home and /  or it doesnt matter ?
[21:39] <Gimpster> hello out there!
[21:39] <DasKreech> hi
[21:40] <Gimpster> how are you today?
[21:40] <DasKreech> Wet
[21:40] <Gimpster> LOL
[21:40] <Gimpster> y are you wet?
[21:41] <DasKreech> Rain :)
[21:42] <Gimpster> its been snowing here all day, so i think i would rather have the rain!
[21:45] <DasKreech> Nope
[21:45] <DasKreech>  all mine
[21:46] <Gimpster> :P
[21:47] <DasKreech> Muwahahahahahaha glubglublulbb
[21:47] <DasKreech> Halp I'm drowning from laughing in the rain!
[21:47] <Gimpster> LOL
[21:53] <Gimpster> is there any one here that can help with learning ubuntu on a dummy scale?
[21:55] <rork> Gimpster: the best way of learning is to just start using it and ask questions when you're stuck / in doubt of damaging the system
[21:55] <Gimpster> ok i thank you :)
[22:41] <jmichaelx> talkin' 'bout a revolution??
[22:46] <arek> witam


[15:40] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +6959 cases (now 1.4 million), +174 deaths (now 24349) since a day ago


[07:54] <fagan> morning everyone and happy UDS
[08:02] <jamalta> I'm sure everyone's busy with UDS and such... so I probably should use the mailing list, but I think I broke notes on my U1 :(
[08:02] <jamalta> While playing with the API I did a put request, and now I get a 500 whenever I go to /notes.
[08:09] <jamalta> I guess I'll do testing on a local Snowy instance instead >.>
[08:10] <fagan> jamalta: I dont think any of the people who could answer you are around
[08:11] <fagan> and im not really good with the API yet
[08:11] <jamalta> fagan: Yeah, I figured not :(
[08:12] <jamalta> I'll just post an email to the mailing list and wait for a response..
[08:12] <jamalta> fagan: Thanks!
[08:12] <fagan> jamalta: cool good luck
[08:12] <jamalta> fagan: ty!
[10:21] <karni> popey: thanks for the keynote upload!
[10:22] <popey> np :)
[10:23] <fagan> karni: you werent listening live for shame
[10:23] <fagan> :)
[10:27] <karni> fagan: yeah, it's a shame. i got up at 9:40 :P
[10:27] <fagan> karni: I havent got food yet
[10:27] <fagan> L.
[10:27] <fagan> :/
[10:28] <karni> fagan: me either. it's 11:27 here. and you've listened (been?) to the key note! it said, "EAT!"
[10:28] <karni> fagan: vegetable. it's good for you ;D
[10:28] <fagan> karni: hah
[10:28] <fagan> Ive watched it on the stream
[10:31] <karni> fagan: you're not at Budapest?
[10:31] <karni> fagan: stream? so it was streamed?
[10:31] <fagan> karni: not in budapest
[10:31] <karni> ack
[10:32] <fagan> and yeah there was a video stream
[10:32] <fagan> id love to be there but im surplus to requirements :)
[10:32]  * fagan switches to the desktop's IRC
[10:36] <karni> fagan: how can you be 'surplus to requirements'? is it a metaphor?
[10:38] <fagan> karni: it means that im not really needed there
[10:38] <karni> fagan: I see. I did try to understand that literally :)
[10:38] <fagan> karni: id be an added extra if I went, that im not exactly needed as much as lets say ralsina there :)
[10:38] <karni> ah! I was thinking of personal requirements xD
[10:39] <karni> got it
[10:43]  * fagan makes food while he cant actually contribute to the sessions since icecast is acting up
[10:54]  * fagan goes 1 step further and plays some heroes of newerth while he is waiting
[10:55] <fagan> (it was either that or watch american idol
[10:55] <fagan> )
[11:49] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:00] <fagan> damn the server
[12:00] <fagan> :/
[12:25] <fagan> anyway it will probably be better after lunch
[12:26] <fagan> or *should* be
[14:23] <karni> 3 days ago we had snow. today it's 28C in shadow heh.
[14:24] <duanedesign> :)
[14:26] <karni> duanedesign: what u listening on?
[14:27]  * karni prepares lunch
[14:27] <karni> omg huba! /me is in
[14:29] <duanedesign> karni: the U1 API session'
[14:29] <karni> duanedesign: yeah! me too
[15:02] <fagan> here is a lot better
[15:03] <karni> my tracepath doesn't look good either..
[15:03] <karni> 15 hops and started 'no reply', interesting
[15:07] <karni> Hmm. I should just grab this stream on my phone and go prep the lunch heh :)
[15:07] <fagan> karni: so maybe its something bigger
[15:08] <fagan> karni: http://paste.ubuntu.com/605237/
[15:08] <fagan> too many hops means host unreachable
[15:09] <karni> fagan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/605238/
[15:09] <fagan> oh you didnt see it through
[15:14] <fagan> karni: ok im sure its something with the hotel's internet
[15:15] <fagan> I just traced a few more .hu sites and I got there in like 18 hops but with no timeouts
[15:15] <karni> fagan: wouldn't it fail for me either? I'm listening to another stream, very clear and good quality sound.
[15:15] <fagan> karni: different directions
[15:15] <fagan> you are taking a different path through all the mess of connections
[15:16]  * fagan knows a little bit about whats going on so has a good idea
[15:19] <fagan> thisfred: tell mandel that if he has any merges to email me (but I guess he wont)
[15:19]  * fagan is giving up on remote participation
[15:20] <fagan> And will get to the next UDS in person if I have to build a plane and sleep in a lagoon
[15:24] <fagan> although ill have to test my plane because obviously there is going to be crap loads of bugs in it
[17:15] <fagan> ok IS say that the audio issue should be better now
[17:16] <fagan> and the traceroute was a lot better too
[17:38] <jamalta> hello
[17:38] <fagan> hey jamalta
[17:39] <jamalta> fagan: hey again! how's it going?
[17:39] <fagan> jamalta: good good
[17:39] <fagan> having an issue?
[17:39] <jamalta> fagan: same issues as last night :).. doubt i'll get any help this week, though.
[17:39] <fagan> jamalta: :/
[17:40] <jamalta> hehe, it's no big deal.
[17:40] <fagan> yeah what id say is come during the day when a session for the UDS about Ubuntu one is on
[17:40] <jamalta> i have all my notes backed up locally
[17:40] <fagan> they should be around and active then
[17:41] <fagan> there are only like 4 of us that didnt go
[17:41] <fagan> dobey is the one you would want to talk to I think
[17:44] <jamalta> fagan: ah, okay :)
[17:44] <jamalta> thanks
[17:44] <jamalta> also, does u1 use snowy for the backend for notes?
[17:44] <jamalta> just curious.. i guess it doesn't really matter.
[17:44] <fagan> jamalta: no
[17:45] <jamalta> ah ok
[17:45] <fagan> we have our own plugin
[17:45] <jamalta> cool :)
[17:45] <fagan> jamalta: im sure they would know how to fix it in 5 mins what ever is going wrong I just dont know
[17:46] <jamalta> fagan: yeah, ... well i'm just waiting for the "Ugh... what an idiot."
 I just used a bogus last-change-revision when I did a PUT
[17:47] <fagan> jamalta: interesting
[17:47] <jamalta> fagan: haha, so you're interning on U1? Very cool.
[17:47] <jamalta> how are you liking it?
[17:48] <fagan> jamalta: yeah
[17:48] <fagan> its cool
[17:48] <fagan> quiet these past 2 weeks with the UDS and post release lull
[17:48] <fagan> but its cool
[17:48] <jamalta> ah, that makes sense
[17:49] <fagan> anyway just come back during the day and you should find someone
[17:49] <jamalta> fagan: during the day for what TZ? :P
[17:49] <jamalta> It's 9am for me...
[17:49] <fagan> jamalta: em well everyone is on hungary time atm
[17:50] <fagan> jamalta: so looks like not your timezone
[17:50] <jamalta> fagan: that's true. although everyone's going to be busy for UDS.. :)
[17:50] <jamalta> it's no problem waiting.. i just want my notes to work eventually, considering i'm writing a client so i can sync back to them :]
[17:50] <fagan> jamalta: well not busy enough not to answer queries
[17:51] <jamalta> fagan: ah, ok :) well i'll keep coming around when i can and see if i can catch anyone
[17:51] <fagan> sorry I couldnt be more help
[17:51] <jamalta> thank you so much for your time!
[17:51] <fagan> np
[17:51] <jamalta> fagan: oh it's np, don't worry about it :)
[17:51] <fagan> jamalta: its cool
[17:51] <fagan> talk soon :)
[22:59] <duanedesign> jamalta: ping
[23:06] <duanedesign> jamalta: could you please try https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/636492/comments/2
[23:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 636492 in ubuntuone-servers "Can't Sync Tomboy with U1: 500 Error (probably malformed server data) (affects: 1) (heat: 3)" [High,Incomplete]
[23:35] <jamalta> duanedesign: haiii
[23:38] <duanedesign> hello
[23:39] <jamalta> i'll try this in a bit
[23:39] <jamalta> i broke the account myself by sending it...
[23:39] <jamalta> uh, i don't have the log anymore
[23:39] <jamalta> well, it was a request with an invalid last-change-revision
[23:39] <duanedesign> well i hope that helps
[23:40] <jamalta> just to clarify, is a PUT with something like {"last-change-revision": n, "note-changes":[...array of notes...]} work?
[23:40] <jamalta> i mean, is that the valid way to upload a note?
[23:40] <jamalta> OH THIS IS AWESOME
[23:40] <jamalta> duanedesign: Thank you!
[23:41] <jamalta> it had nothing to do with my last-change-rev... it was because i didn't set a last-change-date :)
[23:41] <jamalta> [5/10] "Test Up":  ERROR:
[23:41] <jamalta> 	728f38e4-8312-435b-bac0-91e92a6c6f12: last-change-date is not set
[23:41] <jamalta> 	https://one.ubuntu.com/notes/view/728f38e4-8312-435b-bac0-91e92a6c6f12
[23:41]  * jamalta should've probably used paste.ubuntu.com instead >.>
[23:41] <jamalta> thanks, this script is very handy
[23:41] <jamalta> fixed!
[23:42] <jamalta> duanedesign: ty so much :) that script was very handy
[23:43] <jamalta> i guess i'll have to get my app to start updating the change date now...
[23:43]  * jamalta hates dealing with dates
[23:44] <duanedesign> ahh cool
[23:45] <duanedesign> jamalta: what app are you making?
[23:45] <jamalta> duanedesign: working on an android app to take notes and i want it to sync with u1
[23:45] <duanedesign> sounds cool
[23:45] <jamalta> all the note apps for android i've used are generally really bad...
[23:46] <duanedesign> jamalta: if you want list your app here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/ThirdPartyProjects
[23:46] <jamalta> duanedesign: oh sweet! will do once it's a bit more developed.
[23:47] <jamalta> as you can see from my example, it'll break your u1 right now :)
[23:47] <duanedesign> :)
[23:47] <duanedesign> well good luck, i look foreard to seeing what you make
[23:47] <duanedesign> forward*
[23:48] <jamalta> thanks!


[04:14] <jmburgess> so I have been using ubuntu forever, and I want to start helping out with documentation, i have made a few wiki edits, but what do you think is the best way to help out the wiki?
[04:14] <Flannel> edit it :)
[04:36] <Chr|s> what if someone edits it and they don't know what they are doing and erases everythign?
[04:36] <j1mc> Chr|s: we can revert changes if someone makes a mistake
[04:36] <j1mc> actually, anyone can revert changes
[04:36] <Chr|s> I see, well thats always good
[04:37] <j1mc> yeah :)
[21:04] <zoglesby> hello, I have recently moved myself to ubuntu from fedora and would like to help with the docs team (I was a docs team member for fedora and have some experince with docbook etc)
[21:18] <j1mc> hi zoglesby
[21:18] <j1mc> have you had a look at the wiki?
[21:19] <j1mc> zoglesby: normally, what happens for "new" contributors, is that they submit a few patches before they are given commit access to the repository.  have you been able to grab the doc-branch from launchpad?
[21:20] <j1mc> matthew east (mdke) is the guy who is currently heading up the project.
[21:20] <j1mc> i'd probably also recommend sending a note to the ML, introducing yourself, if you haven't already
[21:22] <zoglesby> j1mc: I have not pulled anything yet I am reading stuff on the wiki right now looking at what the same and whats diffrent
[21:30] <j1mc> zoglesby: sounds good. :)