[00:05] <adam_g> is there some way to work around the maintainer-script-needs-depends-on-adduser lintian error, if the packages its pointing at all depend on a common package, which has adduser as a Depends?
[00:05] <adam_g> or should adduser be moved to each package in question instead of defining globally, to shut lintian up?
[00:09] <slangasek> adam_g: there's a way to shut lintian up, but I would argue it's simpler to just comply
[00:22] <cjwatson> adam_g: I would in general argue that direct use should imply direct dependency
[02:19] <psusi> is there something more that bug #941874 needs to make sure it's on the radar as a critical regression that needs fixed before precise is finalized?  like a milestone target?
[02:21] <infinity> psusi: Sure, I'll milestone it. :P
[02:21] <infinity> psusi: You could just fix it instead! ;)
[02:22] <psusi> I have, just waiting for a sponsor to merge
[02:22] <infinity> Ah, so I see.
[02:23] <infinity> I'll have a look at it in a bit, then.
[02:23] <infinity> psusi: Are you around for a bit tonight, in case I have questions?
[02:23] <psusi> infinity, sure
[02:24] <infinity> psusi: Alright.  I'll poke it later tonight.  If you decide to go have a life instead, I'll either sponsor or leave feedback on the bug, as appropriate.
[02:24] <psusi> hehe... never can tell with a new baby
[02:25] <infinity> ;)
[02:25] <infinity> Congrats.
[02:25] <psusi> ty
[03:44] <bitplane-> Hi, I was bored and decided to try fixing one of the bugs on the tracker. I decided on a seemingly simple one, the text size in notify bubbles being wrong
[03:45] <bitplane-> I have a stupid question though... there's debug statements in the code, how would I normally activate them? do I have to go and tell g++ to compile with DEBUG defined, or is there a better way?
[04:40] <infinity> bitplane-: If you're talking about the code having something like DEBUG("foo") in it, find the declaration of DEBUG and see what it does.
[04:41] <infinity> bitplane-: Odds are that it keys off a magic environment variable being set, or the program being run with --debug.
[05:01] <pkh> i'm running a machine on 12.04 and the last few kernel updates have failed to find my network driver. i'm wondering what I should do wrt to reporting that.
[05:01] <pkh> #ubuntu-kernel
[09:29] <broder> slangasek: can you or possibly somebody else from foundations look into/fix bug #941867? i would but i'm not going to have time in the next few weeks (starting a new job on monday)
[13:20] <PaoloRotolo> Hi al!
[13:20] <PaoloRotolo> all*
[13:43] <georgelappies> hi all, I am using 12.04 I am getting random crashes to a terminal like screen were I have to hard reboot the laptop. this never happened in any of the prior ubuntu releases. Is there a known issue at the moment?
[14:50] <kklimonda> georgelappies: hard to say, I'm not seeing this problem
[14:51] <kklimonda> georgelappies: if X is crashing it should ask you to upload the report to LP
[15:06] <georgelappies> kklimonda: it does look like X, i tried ATI proprietary drivers as well but the crash still happens...
[15:24] <georgelappies> kklimonda: where could the log files be that would indicate the source of this bug? can I somehow enable logging?>
[15:28] <kklimonda> georgelappies: if it crashed you should get a log in /var/crash
[15:31] <georgelappies> kklimonda: if it is not in /var/crash does it mean that maybe the kernel crashed and not X?
[15:31] <kklimonda> georgelappies: ah yes, that's also possible (I think I misread your question)
[15:34] <georgelappies> kklimonda: is their log files the kernel writes to on a crash?
[15:34] <kklimonda> georgelappies: I'd try to ask people on #ubuntu-x in that case during week, they have more experience debugging such issues
[15:35] <kklimonda> georgelappies: you can check /var/log/syslog and /var/log/syslog.1
[15:36] <kklimonda> if computer hasn't completely locked up there is a chance that something ended up there
[16:06] <georgelappies> kklimonda: thanks, will do ;)
[18:42] <slangasek> broder: yeah... sorry, I had foreseen that as a possible issue when reviewing your patch but had assumed nobody would have a *partially* fixed system in this way
[20:31] <Spartan29> hallo!
[20:31] <Spartan29>  I've a trouble. I can't share files from linux to windows, files are in a folder of an NTFS partition mounted on boot time. What i see is that i can't change folder and than in it contained files. Can someone help me?
[23:28] <juliohm> Someone could reproduce the bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/procps/+bug/965341
[23:29] <juliohm> How are launchpad bugs triggered? There are days since i reported the bug and stills undecided state.
[23:35] <penguin42> juliohm: It relies on someone triaging it - there are lots of bugs, so it's a matter of time available and luck, it depends on the package as well and if someone tries it
[23:35] <astraljava> juliohm: They are not automagically handled, except for some simple cases. They need to be triaged in order to progress. More info on #ubuntu-bugs channel.
[23:41] <juliohm> Understand, just wondering because that was my first report to launchpad. I was thinking the community was more active in the sense that the bug is easily reproducible. In other track systems i've reporting bugs, the state is decided pretty fast.
[23:43] <penguin42> juliohm: Until someone looks at it, they don't realise it's so easy to reproduce!
[23:44] <juliohm> penguin42, oh, i was thinking people is notified in their mail box with some kind of summary of what the bug is about. :-)
[23:45] <juliohm> Anyways, thank you for take the look. ;-)
[23:46] <penguin42> juliohm: Some people will be, but they just get zillions of notifications; so they pick off stuff which is affecting lots of people or causing major panics and occasionally get around to looking at the rest
[23:49] <juliohm> I can imagine a lot of notifications, one more reason why i have to make a post about how to contribute in launchpad. Do you have some nice blog post about contributing with Ubuntu on Launchpad?
[23:50] <penguin42> juliohm: possibly https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs   although it doesn't say much about what happens next
[23:51] <juliohm> penguin42, that one i already know
[23:51] <juliohm> But i'm talking about the launchpad features, the daily activities of a Ubuntu-bug-reporter
[23:54] <penguin42> juliohm: there is a #launchpad that may help somewhat - but that's the mehcanics of the system more, #ubuntu-bugs is perhaps a better place to ask about that, and see the info on bugsquad and bugcontrol
[23:55] <penguin42> any libc standards lawyers about - juliohm's bug seems to be isprint segfaulting when passed invalid input - I just don't know whether it's correct for it to do that
[23:55] <juliohm> ok, thanks penguin42 , i'll ask in the appropriate channel. ;-)
[23:56] <juliohm> penguin42, the bug with watch is not just a print in the binary file, because watch is interactive, it should hang until a Ctrl+c
[23:56] <penguin42> the manpage for isprint and friends says 'These functions check whether c, which must have the value of an unsigned char or EOF, ....' - is it reasonable for it to seg if the value isn't an unsigned char or EOF?
[23:56] <juliohm> for me, segfault is always a bug
[23:57] <penguin42> juliohm: The question is whether the bug is in watch or the C library
[23:57] <juliohm> independently of the program.
[23:57] <juliohm> oh
[23:57] <juliohm> I don't know.
[23:59] <cjwatson> the behaviour of isprint is undefined if it is passed something other than a value representable as an unsigned char or EOF; undefined behaviour includes the potential to segfault
[23:59] <cjwatson> (C99 7.4 para 1)


[06:02] <derek[] > Hallo
[07:39] <AndyFitz> g'day derek[]   I got your icq message.  sorry mate I'm at work right now.
[07:39] <AndyFitz> talk to you later mate. ciao
[09:09] <derek> oh my goodness
[09:09] <derek> this server refreshes late
[09:09] <derek> wonder why derek[]  hasn't timed out yet
[09:10] <derek[] > err
[09:10] <derek[] > sorry, didn't see this tab already connected
[09:12] <derek[] > Hi
[09:12] <derek[] > Any German here plz/
[09:12] <derek[] > ?


[01:02] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82976 in firefox (main) "Firefox 1.5.09"Manage Bookmarks" does not import Mozilla Bookmarks from floppy" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82976
[03:31] <Admiral_Chicago> someone want to look at Bug #83483
[03:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83483 in firefox "[feisty]  Unable to install an extension" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83483
[10:48] <asac> morning
[11:02] <asac> lads
[11:03] <asac> asd
[11:03] <asac> hmm
[11:04] <asac> my /log does not work in this channel ;)
[11:04] <asac> ok .. now? test test
[11:05] <asac> great ... fine
[12:04] <asac> gnomefreak: i have found the place to fix the rapid progress-meter for unknown downloads ... though I don't know what is best from a UI point-of-view ... if you can test, let me know!
[12:36] <gnomefreak> asac: if you can let me wake up a bit i can test it
[12:37] <asac> :)
[12:37] <asac> yeah ... I will have lunch in a about 20 min
[12:37] <asac> maybe afterwards?
[12:37] <asac> btw, morning :)
[12:38] <gnomefreak> sure
[12:38] <gnomefreak> moring
[12:39] <gnomefreak> morning
[12:40] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: ubuntulog is the log bot for #ubuntu-meeting. they logs are there. we can maybe come up with something to do instead of minutes
[12:40] <asac> maybe we can attach the logs to the minutes page? as a reference?
[12:41] <gnomefreak> true
[12:51] <AlexLatchford> well there is a Bot underway to get this process defined
[12:51] <AlexLatchford> I am on the Scribes team who are actively setting up a MeetingBot
[12:52] <AlexLatchford> so hopefully by the next meeting it will be sorted so we can use it
[12:52] <asac> if we need logs ... i did a dump of the irssi window
[12:58] <asac> k lunch
[12:59] <gnomefreak> so i decline new memebers and ask them to join us in here?
[01:29] <AlexLatchford> I believe so gnomefreak
[01:30] <gnomefreak> i wrote him email explaining to join us here
[01:30] <AlexLatchford> not all new members, just members that appear to have little experience
[01:30] <AlexLatchford> (not proven experience)
[01:30] <gnomefreak> he has 0 karma and a member of bugsquad
[01:30] <AlexLatchford> then he would be a candidate for the mentoring scheme
[01:30] <gnomefreak> bugsquad is open team
[01:31] <AlexLatchford> yes
[01:33] <gnomefreak> couple more coffees and should be ready for patch :)
[01:34] <AlexLatchford> lol
[01:34] <AlexLatchford> link?
[01:34] <gnomefreak> the debhelper guide tells you to rename everything -debhelper
[01:35] <gnomefreak> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-debhelper.html
[01:36] <gnomefreak> that only applies to this package hello because you are grabbing hello-debhelper
[01:36] <gnomefreak> its the only package in repos package-debhelper
[01:36] <asac> gnomefreak: you have your slow system at hand?
[01:36] <gnomefreak> asac: you changed the settings for speed again?
[01:37] <gnomefreak> i wont have that for a few more hours gf is sleeping
[01:37] <asac> hehe ... yes a new improvement
[01:37] <asac> ok
[01:37] <asac> then I'll wait :)
[01:37] <gnomefreak> k
[01:38] <gnomefreak> i think im gonna try building ff again while i have time :(
[01:38] <AlexLatchford> lol fair enough
[02:03] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: what processor is in your pc?
[02:03] <AlexLatchford> erm I believe an AMD 2800+
[02:03] <gnomefreak> thats  1.* ghz?
[02:03] <AlexLatchford> about 4 years old now
[02:04] <AlexLatchford> I believe 2.08
[02:04] <gnomefreak> crap
[02:04] <gnomefreak> ty
[02:07] <asac> gnomefreak: buy her a new one :)
[02:07] <gnomefreak> :)
[02:08] <gnomefreak> i might have hands on slow laptop soon
[02:08] <gnomefreak> slow == maybe p2 if im lucky
[02:09] <asac> yeah ... hopefully we won't need slow machines to reproduce in future ... but coincidentially they only pop up on slow maschines
[02:09] <asac> lucky? you expect a p1 ?
[02:09] <gnomefreak> yeah and im wondering if maybe that is the cause and tell them to get new proc :)
[02:09] <gnomefreak> yes its  a 2000 year build of a dell
[02:10] <gnomefreak> i expect it to be slow as crap
[02:10] <asac> hmmm ... might be PIII then
[02:10] <gnomefreak> pIII works for me :)
[02:10] <asac> in 2000 ... hasn't there already p4 been shipped (maybe not in laptops)
[02:11] <asac> rofl ...  a gnomefreak using vista?
[02:11] <gnomefreak> i wanted to test it for my friends they wanted it and i cant get them to use ubuntu, they are scared
[02:12] <asac> yeah ... i always say to my friends ... if you use windows then you are alone :)
[02:12] <asac> i won't help you ;)
[02:12] <gnomefreak> good point
[02:14] <gnomefreak> when dh_make asks what type of package always want single binary? unless using cdbs ofcourse?
[02:19] <asac> you want single package ... unless you prepare a more complex package
[02:19] <asac> e.g. firefox is not a single package
[02:19] <asac> as there are various binary packages produced from it
[02:19] <asac> but if you use dh_make ... you should probably go for single package
[02:19] <gnomefreak> ok cool
[02:20] <asac> i don't use dh_make :) ... but for getting started its ok
[02:20] <gnomefreak> now that im past the package-debhelper issue i should be better now. you do it manually?
[02:20] <asac> usually yes.
[02:21] <asac> if lazy I take another package I find well packaged and use that as a template :)
[02:21] <gnomefreak> :)
[02:22] <asac> but initial package with dh_make is good way to go.
[02:22] <gnomefreak> seems almost like im doing double the work. without dh_make you change files by hand (for most part) and i still check them after using dh_make
[02:25] <asac> yeah ... but maybe you won't know which files are needed without dh_make
[02:26] <gnomefreak> rule, changelog, control for the most part
[02:29] <gnomefreak> this guide is so wrong
[02:30] <gnomefreak> brb but if anyone can make sense out of this please try: http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/342651
[02:35] <asac> gnomefreak: what are you trying to do?
[02:35] <asac> setup a completely NEW firefox package from scratch?
[02:36] <asac> it complains that your directoy is just names firefox not firefox-<IP_ADDRESS>
[02:37] <gnomefreak> im not building from scratch
[02:37] <asac> then you won't need dh_make :)
[02:38] <asac> dh_make is just used for initial package creation
[02:38] <gnomefreak> ohhhh
[02:38] <asac> ... or upgrading upstream source
[02:38] <gnomefreak> oh
[02:38] <asac> but that would fail for a package like firefox :)
[02:38] <gnomefreak> *slaps_self*
[02:38] <asac> building is pretty simple
[02:38] <asac> apt-get source firefox
[02:38] <asac> then switch to firefox dir
[02:38] <asac> and run
[02:38] <asac> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[02:39] <asac> you need fakeroot package as well as build-essential installed to get this going
[02:39] <gnomefreak> i have it
[02:39] <asac> then the build will complain about any missing build-dependencies
[02:39] <gnomefreak> does pbuilder reun dpkg-buildpackage?
[02:39] <gnomefreak> s/reun/run
[02:39] <asac> yes ... dpkg-buildpackage is the normal way to do it
[02:39] <asac> pbuilder invokes that
[02:40] <asac> + installs your dependencies
[02:40] <asac> however if you want to develop (e.g. try patches) on your source ... don't do pbuilder
[02:40] <gnomefreak> ok change files that debuild -S -kKEYID than use pbuilder?
[02:40] <gnomefreak> oh
[02:40] <asac> debuild is more high-level than dpkg-buildpackage
[02:40] <asac> but should work as well
[02:41] <gnomefreak> ok lets try this :)
[02:41] <asac> good luck :-P
[02:42] <gnomefreak> ty
[02:47] <gnomefreak> so far so good :)
[02:56] <gnomefreak> should i have removed all *.CVS?
[02:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83564 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes on click to focus" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83564
[02:57] <asac> no
[02:57] <asac> no atm
[02:58] <asac> :)
[02:58] <asac> s/no/not/
[02:58] <gnomefreak> ok got alot of warnings about them
[02:58] <asac> during generation of diff.gz?
[02:58] <asac> running debbuild?
[02:58] <asac> or dpkg-buildpackage?
[02:59] <gnomefreak> debuild -S  will run litian for you
[02:59] <gnomefreak> and thats where the errors came from
[02:59] <asac> actually its bad practice ... but you can ignore the warnings :)
[02:59] <asac> even errors?
[02:59] <asac> hehe
[02:59] <gnomefreak> no just warnings sorry
[03:00] <asac> yeah ... just ignore them ... its been forever that way ... its indeed good, because upstream wants patches to submitted only if generated with cvs diff
[03:00] <gnomefreak> it built the sources fine from what i was able to tell
[03:00] <gnomefreak> ah
[03:00] <asac> yeah ... you ended up with generated .deb files?
[03:00] <gnomefreak> doing that now
[03:00] <gnomefreak> pbuilder is doing that
[03:03] <asac> ah ok ... debuild and dpkg-buildpackage should do it too
[03:03] <gnomefreak> debuild builds source and dpkg-buildpackage builds the debs?
[03:04] <asac> no ... both do everything ... if you don't pass any special options
[03:04] <asac> for instance
[03:04] <gnomefreak> ah
[03:04] <asac> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -kkeyid
[03:04] <asac> will build and sign with keyid
[03:04] <gnomefreak> cool
[03:04] <asac> dunno about debuild ... quite a bit since I used it last time
[03:05] <asac> but afaik just debuild -kkeyid should do the trick
[03:05] <gnomefreak> it does same Now we build the source package using debuild, a wrapper script for dpkg-buildpackage:
[03:09] <asac> ok ... i talked to pitti ... the idea is that for now we (developers) to run apport-retrace and don't ask the user to do it for us... later this will be automated in launchpad
[03:09] <gnomefreak> ok so only devels have to run it?
[03:09] <asac> yeah ... our team :)
[03:09] <gnomefreak> as long as it has the full coredump
[03:10] <asac> are there reports without?
[03:10] <gnomefreak> asac: used to be i think now they should all have them
[03:11] <asac> ok ... then lets just look ahead :) ... for those that don't have ask the user to reproduce and send new report (with coredump) ... if he cannot reproduce, close.
[03:11] <gnomefreak> after this is built i will try the apport-retrace on a bug see what happens
[03:11] <asac> great ... let me know if there are any problems ;)
[03:11] <gnomefreak> ok
[03:11] <gnomefreak> should we upload the retrace to bug report?
[03:12] <asac> sure
[03:12] <asac> maybe add a tag needs-retrace until this is done
[03:12] <asac> or need-retrace
[03:12] <asac> but lets wait till the tag page is set up
[03:13] <gnomefreak> k
[03:15] <gnomefreak> i think a wiki for "us" on how to run retrace might be helpful (for atleast the new members)
[03:17] <gnomefreak> might have one already
[03:18] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport?highlight=%28apport%29
[03:18] <gnomefreak> im looking at it
[03:34] <gnomefreak> this is gonna be hard if we have to have smae version installed with same plugins
[03:34] <asac> hmm
[03:34] <asac> no
[03:34] <asac> :)
[03:34] <asac> at least for same version
[03:34] <asac> for same plugins ... lets see how it works out
[03:34] <gnomefreak> is fiestys differnet than edgys in that sense
[03:34] <asac> you can setup chroot for edgy/feisty/dapper et al
[03:35] <gnomefreak> might have to
[03:35] <asac> i think edgy + feisty would be enough for now
[03:35] <gnomefreak> k
[03:35] <asac> i currently have no dapper either ... though if there are lots of reports on dapper I will setup one in future
[03:36] <asac> sudo debootstrap edgy /to/some/dir/where/you/want/the/chroot :)
[03:37] <gnomefreak> thats it?
[03:42] <asac> yes
[03:43] <asac> after that you can chroot /to/some/dir/where/you/want/the/chroot
[03:43] <asac> might need to setup /etc/apt/sources.list etc.
[03:43] <asac> but in general ... yes
[03:44] <asac> have not yet managed (nor really tried) to start a special gnome session inside a chroot ... but usually one does not need that
[03:46] <asac> i have http://pastebin.ca/342750 in my /etc/fstab
[03:46] <asac> in that way I have the same home directory in the chroot
[03:46] <asac> and proc is always good to have too
[03:48] <asac> in addition you can put a file called /etc/debian_chroot (within the chroot) and put some name for the chroot in there
[03:48] <asac> in that way base extends its prompt so you can tell in what chroot you are
[03:48] <asac> s/base/bash/
[03:49] <gnomefreak> everything goes into the chroot dir?
[03:49] <asac> what?
[03:49] <asac> there will be a complete system installed in it (except kernel)
[03:49] <gnomefreak> the crash report?
[03:49] <asac> you can do anything you do in your normal system when in a chroot
[03:50] <gnomefreak> so like i would cd /dir/edgy-chroot than run anything at that point?
[03:50] <asac> no
[03:50] <asac> you say
[03:50] <asac> chroot /dir/edgy-chroot
[03:50] <asac> to switch into it
[03:51] <asac> then you can run anything you want
[03:51] <asac> you might need to adduser first
[03:51] <asac> does that answer your question?
[03:51] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[03:52] <gnomefreak> k ill try it
[04:27] <gnomefreak> ok update: pbuilder is being a b*tch witha  few packages so i put that on hold. chroot is installing atm. gf isnt feeling good she came down and asked me to run for cold meds so im gonna do that in a bit but im not gonna beable to get to the p2 for a while :(
[04:32] <asac> np
[04:52] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83578 in firefox (main) "when X server is configured with 16bit color firefox crashes on some pages" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83578
[04:57] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83536 in firefox (main) "X.org crashes when scrolling in Firefox" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83536
[05:19] <Admiral_Chicago> i freaking hate users.
[05:20] <AlexLatchford> whats happened this time..
[05:20] <Admiral_Chicago> hold on, pulling up the bug report.
[05:20] <Admiral_Chicago> Bug #83084
[05:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83084 in bugzilla "Printing of java applets doesn't work with firefox" [Unknown,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83084
[05:21] <Admiral_Chicago> I don't ever remember being able to print java applets
[05:21] <Admiral_Chicago> well it was rejected upstream, closing it now
[05:23] <Admiral_Chicago> gotta run
[05:23] <AlexLatchford> hmm I think we need to change the BugMail settings
[05:23] <Admiral_Chicago> to do what?
[05:23] <AlexLatchford> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mozillateam-bugs
[05:23] <Admiral_Chicago> I think David controls that
[05:23] <AlexLatchford> change the bugs to be posted onto this list
[05:23] <AlexLatchford> so people can choose whether or not to be subscribed to all bugs
[05:24] <Admiral_Chicago> i had seen that list before. I can email david about it
[05:24] <AlexLatchford> It doesn't bother me much, but its something that should be changed
[05:24] <AlexLatchford> well ill email him about it now
[05:25] <Admiral_Chicago> okay you mail him. I still have to send a follow up
[05:25] <Admiral_Chicago> btw, I hate the way Karma is done on LP now
[05:25] <AlexLatchford> yeah
[05:26] <Admiral_Chicago> first they take away 3/4 of my karma, then it went down again, now it hasn't update in several days.
[05:27] <Admiral_Chicago> this is really annoying...well i have to get ready for my day
[05:28] <AlexLatchford> hmm, mine updated yesterday I think
[05:30] <asac> bug 83084 was a duplicate
[05:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83084 in bugzilla "Printing of java applets doesn't work with firefox" [Unknown,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83084
[05:32] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: better keep bug open and change upstream url to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=178930 ?
[05:32] <Ubugtu> Mozilla bug 178930 in Printing "java applet rendering doesn't show in print preview and doesn't print" [Major,Resolved: worksforme]
[05:32] <asac> so keep eyes open what malone interprets as REJECTED in upstream :)
[05:32] <asac> DUPLICATE are obviously not rejected ;)
[05:33] <Admiral_Chicago>  asac can you do that, I have to start my school day
[05:37] <AlexLatchford> asac: can you take a look at bugs. #70875 #72018 #83564 they all seem to be narrowing down on a single problem
[05:37] <AlexLatchford> to my eyes that is
[05:38] <AlexLatchford> bug #70875
[05:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70875 in firefox "crash gtk_style_realize" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70875
[05:38] <AlexLatchford> bug #72018
[05:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72018 in firefox "crash gtk_style_realize Segfault when clicking back after failing to watch a video" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72018
[05:38] <AlexLatchford> bug #83564
[05:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83564 in firefox "Firefox crashes on click to focus" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83564
[05:39] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: actually me is blind ... it is worksforme. sorry for the noise ;)
[05:42] <asac> AlexLatchford: ... looking
[05:45] <asac> AlexLatchford: hmmm .... wasn't there a report somewhere that rm ~/.gtkrc-2.0 (what is the exact filename?) helps for some? ... or did I dream that ;)
[05:45] <AlexLatchford> not sure
[05:45] <AlexLatchford> haven't seen it anywhere
[05:47] <asac> so what distribution is reporter of bug 83564 running? edgy?
[05:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83564 in firefox "Firefox crashes on click to focus" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83564
[05:48] <AlexLatchford> Yes in the Report is said Edgy
[05:52] <AlexLatchford> think they might be linked?
[05:54] <asac> the first two yes
[05:54] <asac> the last cant tell without symbols
[05:55] <AlexLatchford> Ok, well I have made the request for information, I will watch those reports and ping you when I get the information required
[06:18] <gnomefreak> where are we on the tag wiki? (if started)
[06:18] <asac> not seen anything :)
[06:19] <asac> maybe I will start to set some content up tomorrow on general bug things - as a proposal
[06:19] <asac> maybe I come around to tags then too :)
[06:21] <gnomefreak> s/as/ass
[06:21] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot?highlight=%28chroot%29
[06:21] <asac> as a starter
[06:26] <gnomefreak> asac: can i change echo mychroot > etc/debian_chroot to use edgy_chroot instead of debian_chroot?
[06:27] <asac> what?
[06:27] <asac> try what happens
[06:28] <asac> you should then see (mychroot) in front of the prompt
[06:28] <asac> by default I see nothing
[06:28] <gnomefreak> its not letting me in the chroot now
[06:28] <asac> what you doing?
[06:29] <gnomefreak> sudo chroot /var/chroot but its yelling at me saying wrong password
[06:30] <gnomefreak> tells me this guide is screwed since i have followed it word for word
[06:35] <gnomefreak> ok fixed sort of
[06:35] <gnomefreak> now to redo it
[06:39] <asac> sudo
[06:39] <asac> you need your own password for that
[06:41] <gnomefreak> i did the dchroot (non-root) config
[06:52] <gnomefreak> pbuilder hates me something awful. it doesnt want to grab any of the libavahi packages it needs
[07:05] <asac> in chroot?
[07:06] <gnomefreak> no
[07:11] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: and Admiral_Chicago if you guys want to join ubuntu-qa team join #ubuntu bugs and speak up
[07:11] <gnomefreak> hes taking applications for it now
[07:12] <gnomefreak> goes for anyone else working on bugs for a while
[07:24] <asac> who is he?
[07:24] <AlexLatchford> sfllaw is the QA Admin
[07:24] <asac> is he online?
[07:24] <gnomefreak> simon law
[07:24] <asac> yeah
[07:24] <gnomefreak> asac: yes in #ubuntu-bugs
[07:24] <asac> aha
[07:25] <gnomefreak> asac: you already have qa access :)
[07:25] <asac> ok ... just wondered because he is not on any other channel i am in
[07:25] <gnomefreak> he should be in -devel also
[07:25] <asac> unfortunately my account will be added to core-dev on Feb 12 ;)
[07:25] <asac> next technical board meeting
[07:27] <asac> till then I have to creep around a bit :) ... anyway, almost anything I want to edit atm I can do :)
[07:27] <asac> if not ... I just ask you :)
[07:28] <gnomefreak> :)
[07:28] <asac> ok ... I now started to go through thunderbird bugs :)
[07:28] <asac> what a mess ;)
[07:28] <gnomefreak> should i just install firefox or all of ubuntu-desktop?
[07:28] <asac> but its pretty ok ... for those I know there is an upstream bug I added a remote bug without url
[07:28] <gnomefreak> for chroot
[07:29] <asac> ah
[07:29] <asac> install firefox and thunderbird :)
[07:29] <gnomefreak> k
[07:29] <gnomefreak> btw i had idea
[07:29] <asac> if you want to test the complete desktop feeliung you might need to install ubuntu-desktop
[07:29] <asac> later
[07:29] <asac> and use vncserver or something instead of X-server in chroot
[07:29] <gnomefreak> depending on how many people are gonna be doing retraces i think most should use a 32bit and one or 2 have 64bit chroot
[07:30] <asac> ah ... ok
[07:30] <asac> yes :)
[07:30] <asac> i have 64 bit chroots by definition :)
[07:30] <gnomefreak> i dont
[07:30] <asac> have not yet even set up 32bit
[07:31] <asac> maybe then I can take over retracing 64bit reports for now ... while all that have i386 try to do so for 32bit reports?
[07:31] <gnomefreak> i have ffeling we are gonna see alot more 32 bit than 64 bit crashes
[07:31] <asac> I will setup 32bit chrrots too at some point
[07:31] <gnomefreak> i will once i get done with it
[07:32] <gnomefreak> so far me and you are only 2 i know of wokring on bugs with a chroot
[07:34] <asac> gnomefreak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bug/46760
[07:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46760 in mozilla-thunderbird "no icon for mozilla-thunderbird in KDE Panel" [Medium,Confirmed]
[07:34] <asac> nevermind
[07:34] <asac> :)
[07:35] <asac> gnomefreak: .... actually we should add content on wiki that its good to have chroot for testing bugs
[07:37] <gnomefreak> agreed but i dont know enough yet to make it :(
[07:38] <gnomefreak> from chroot will i have accesss to my $HOME dir?
[07:40] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: you have 64 bit edgy installed by chance?
[07:42] <gnomefreak> shot i forgot nano :(
[07:42] <asac> its in the introduction on how to make home accessible
[07:42] <asac> -> fstab
[07:42] <AlexLatchford> lol strangely no
[07:43] <gnomefreak> k im just thinking about staying away from the whole root part of guide
[07:43] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: edgy at all?
[07:43] <AlexLatchford> yep
[07:45] <gnomefreak> goodie :)
[07:45] <gnomefreak> thats not gonna go over well at all
[07:46] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: if you run retraces please make a seperate dir. to keep it neat :)
[07:49] <gnomefreak> i need to friggin sleep
[07:49] <gnomefreak> these people are gonna work on my nerves today
[08:00] <gnomefreak> that didnt go as planed at all
[08:10] <gnomefreak> how do i run firefox from chroot (making sure it uses edgys)
[08:15] <gnomefreak> fixed it :)
[08:16] <Admiral_Chicago> sounds like a good time
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83607 in firefox (main) "firefox won't attach/send jpg's" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83607
[08:23] <gnomefreak> not as much as a good time as it sounds :)
[08:24] <gnomefreak> asac: got a sec
[08:25] <gnomefreak> to change to chroot i will need sudo chroot /var/chroot still by the looks of it. is that ok for doing the retrace in $HOME
[08:28] <gnomefreak> ah nevermind as long as i dchroot -d will give me my promtp as $
[08:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83612 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes about one minute after closing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83612
[08:35] <gnomefreak> ok adding comments to bugs stating im retracing the crash reports and will upload than see what we can do. (until tags get ready)
[08:35] <gnomefreak> or should i assign it to myself until report is uploaded?
[08:37] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: are you busy?
[08:38] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm not if you need something
[08:38] <gnomefreak> i would likesome to go over what we do help him out. jhnjwng applied and i sent him email to join us here to learn and work at it before i can accept his app for membership
[08:39] <gnomefreak> s/likesome/like someone
[08:39] <Admiral_Chicago> oh i see
[08:39] <gnomefreak> if you hav etime for a little bit to get him started (if questions i can answer most of them
[08:40] <gnomefreak> im working on getting a retrace done atm
[08:40] <Admiral_Chicago> give me a second to finish this work up.
[08:41] <gnomefreak> thats fine. im not in a hurry but i forgot to bring it up this morning (i have a sick gf here ive been running up to take care of
[08:41] <asac> gnomefreak: is your question void?
[08:41] <gnomefreak> he may not even be around
[08:42] <gnomefreak> about assigning it to me while running retrace?
[08:42] <gnomefreak> that way i have easy way to pull it up while im working on it
[08:42] <Admiral_Chicago> actually, I have to run right now, I didn't realize how close it was to my class right now
[08:43] <gnomefreak> once uploaded reassign to noone than maybe ping someone to decode the cryptic ass errors :)
[08:44] <asac> gnomefreak: so you want to assign bugs to yourself to indicate that you work on them?
[08:44] <gnomefreak> one at a time ofcours
[08:44] <gnomefreak> e
[08:45] <asac> sounds reasonable ... you could even vade through and grab multiple ones in that way.
[08:45] <asac> i am currently working on wiki info ... will try to include that
[08:45] <gnomefreak> ok and than reassign to noone :)
[08:45] <gnomefreak> ok
[08:45] <asac> actually you reassign back to mozilla team
[08:45] <gnomefreak> yeah
[08:45] <asac> either with a new bug state ... or with a new tag added
[08:45] <gnomefreak> sorry
[08:46] <gnomefreak> not sure what to use as tag at that point. tag == needs reading lol
[08:46] <asac> so other see what has to be done. before this can migrate from unconfirmed->needs info or any other transition
[08:46] <asac> hehe
[08:47] <gnomefreak> once the retraces are done they are pretty much confirmed
[08:47] <asac> yeah ... I hope to set lots of infos up as a proposal ... we can then discuss and improve that
[08:47] <gnomefreak> should we be retracing all reports on each bug?
[08:47] <asac> yeah ... actually i would like to have a more fine grained workflow with some slightly different definitions of what each state means
[08:47] <gnomefreak> agreed
[08:47] <asac> if they are not from the same incident, then yes
[08:48] <asac> its likely that people post "me too" statements that are not true
[08:48] <asac> we should sort that out ... and either point him to the right bug or open a new for him.
[08:48] <gnomefreak> im gonna run them all on each bug until we refine everything i think
[08:49] <asac> yeah ... maybe introduce a tag 'retrace'
[08:49] <asac> and add that to the ones you see that have untraced reports in
[08:49] <asac> of course if it suites your workflow only
[08:50] <gnomefreak> k
[08:50] <asac> i think it would be worth to go through all bug reports once before we start with the actual retracing and add such a tag to all of those that contain crash reports :)
[08:50] <asac> when retrace is done, the tag can be removed by the one who retraced
[08:51] <gnomefreak> ok works for me
[08:52] <asac> ah ... when retrace is done, i think we should only attach the most important info ... unless someone explicitly requests more infos
[08:52] <asac> usually backtrace info is enough
[08:52] <gnomefreak> ok tag set on the bug im working on
[08:52] <asac> which one?
[08:53] <gnomefreak> retrace == grabbing retraces of the reportws
[08:53] <asac> yeah ... I will outline in wiki what is usually sufficient
[08:53] <asac> which bug are you on?
[08:53] <gnomefreak> bug 47564
[08:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47564 in firefox "closes when scrolling" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/47564
[08:54] <asac> ok i add a link to get all "retrace" bugs to wiki
[08:54] <asac> unfortunately the advanced search mask does not yet support this
[08:54] <gnomefreak> ok cool
[08:55] <asac> so we use the wiki link workaround
[08:55] <gnomefreak> yep
[08:57] <gnomefreak> are you working on the apport page?
[08:58] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/BugTags
[08:58] <asac> no
[08:59] <asac> i am not
[08:59] <gnomefreak> k
[09:07] <gnomefreak> apport-retrace -d [filename]  doesnt work
[09:13] <asac> hmmm ... maybe a bug in apport?
[09:13] <asac> what happens?
[09:14] <hjmf> hi
[09:14] <hjmf> gnomefreak, what error is giving you apport
[09:17] <gnomefreak> Traceback (most recent call last):
[09:17] <gnomefreak>   File "/usr/bin/apport-retrace", line 189, in ?
[09:17] <gnomefreak>     debug_dir = prepare_debugdir(report, options.cache_dir)
[09:17] <gnomefreak>   File "/usr/bin/apport-retrace", line 147, in prepare_debugdir
[09:17] <gnomefreak>     needed_deps.add((pkg, dependency_versions[pkg] ))
[09:17] <gnomefreak> KeyError
[09:17] <gnomefreak> thats with apport-retrace -d filename
[09:17] <gnomefreak> in a edgy chroot
[09:18] <asac> can you install feisty apport.deb by hand?
[09:18] <hjmf> Not sure if this helps, but at Bug #65914 there is a patch that worked for me
[09:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65914 in apport "apport-retrace -d fails with KeyError" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/65914
[09:20] <hjmf> though I still having errors :S
[09:20] <asac> but it works?
[09:20] <asac> or not?
[09:20] <gnomefreak> asac: i think so but on an edgy chroot?
[09:21] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe package installs on edgy?
[09:21] <gnomefreak> put deb anywhere and in the chroot just dpkg -i it?
[09:22] <gnomefreak> hjmf: those kind of errors?
[09:22] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe
[09:22] <asac> if it installs than chances are high that it might work
[09:22] <hjmf> nope, but:
[09:22] <hjmf> Traceback (most recent call last):
[09:22] <hjmf>   File "/usr/bin/apport-retrace", line 165, in ?
[09:22] <hjmf>     report.load(open(reportfile))
[09:22] <hjmf>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/problem_report.py", line 72, in load
[09:22] <hjmf>     (key, value) = line.split(':', 1)
[09:23] <hjmf> sorry, I have to go now.
[09:23] <asac> bye
[09:23] <gnomefreak> looks like martin is working on the edgy one?
[09:23] <gnomefreak> bye
[09:23] <asac> dunno exactly ... will ask him tomorrow
[09:23] <gnomefreak> k
[09:23] <hjmf> I'll take a look later to the log to see if you get something clear
[09:23] <hjmf> bye
[09:24] <asac> at least we need a solution that we can install to retrace
[09:24] <asac> if not for all edgy users
[09:24] <gnomefreak> im gonna try feistys version
[09:39] <gnomefreak> i dont think this is gonna work it cant find the -dbgsym packages :(
[09:39] <gnomefreak> i will let you know when its done
[09:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83622 in firefox (main) "Gros plantage firefox avi aprs clic sur enregistrer cible" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83622
[09:45] <gnomefreak> found a big problem with this. alot of people only sent reports for non-up-to-date firefox :( you can only run one per chroot
[09:45] <asac> try to set MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1
[09:45] <asac> so it does not contact your main firefox
[09:46] <gnomefreak> in the apport command?
[09:49] <asac> i think i misunderstood then ... what is your problem?
[09:50] <gnomefreak> the user uploaded version 2.0+0 and version ff in edyg is now <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:50] <asac> ah ... what happens if you run apport on the crash?
[09:51] <gnomefreak> it complians about the version and alot of depends issues
[09:52] <gnomefreak> let me see if i can pipe it to a seperate file and go through it
[09:57] <asac> how to add a watch to a bug?
[09:57] <asac> bug 82641 should have a watch on bug 54548
[09:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82641 in firefox "[feisty] firefox full screen" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82641
[09:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54548 in vlc "90% vlc full screen" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/54548
[10:01] <gnomefreak> what do you mean by watch?
[10:02] <gnomefreak> only thing close would be marking it as a dupe
[10:04] <gnomefreak> im leaning torward that being a vlc issue more than ff.
[10:04] <gnomefreak> i remember that bug
[10:07] <gnomefreak> asac: here is what i get when i ran it on different version of ff http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/343204
[10:10] <asac> hmmm takes time to open
[10:10] <gnomefreak> that pastebin is slow today
[10:11] <gnomefreak> some of those i think im gonna have to install ubuntu-desktop :(
[10:11] <gnomefreak> along with java flash and so on
[10:12] <asac> does it actually do something on the file?
[10:13] <asac> i mean is it modified?
[10:13] <asac> or a new one created?
[10:13] <asac> there isno error
[10:13] <gnomefreak> dont know cant open the file or i will crash
[10:13] <asac> you will crash?
[10:13] <asac> how that?
[10:13] <gnomefreak> yes its too big
[10:13] <asac> try less
[10:13] <asac> ?
[10:13] <asac> that should work
[10:13] <gnomefreak> i tried that before and froze up big time
[10:13] <gnomefreak> ah
[10:13] <asac> hmm less should definitly work
[10:14] <gnomefreak> ok ill find out
[10:15] <gnomefreak> yes it did :)
[10:15] <gnomefreak> i will upload it to bug and put test on it take a look see what else needs to be done
[10:16] <asac> please not the full file
[10:16] <asac> just the backtrace
[10:16] <asac> and the thread traces
[10:16] <asac> its too huge
[10:16] <gnomefreak> Stacktrace: Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.
[10:16] <gnomefreak> 1".
[10:16] <gnomefreak> you mean those?
[10:16] <gnomefreak> StacktraceTop:
[10:16] <gnomefreak> ThreadStacktrace:
[10:16] <gnomefreak> nothing there :(
[10:16] <asac> Backtrace?
[10:18] <gnomefreak> nothing says backtrace but looks like most of symbols are there and that is pretty much the full file (it also looks smaller than normal
[10:19] <asac> ls -l ?
[10:19] <asac> how big?
[10:19] <gnomefreak> 36.2kb
[10:20] <gnomefreak> see what i mean by seems smaller
[10:22] <asac> yeah
[10:22] <asac> then upload it to bug
[10:22] <gnomefreak> k
[10:22] <asac> i will look :)
[10:23] <gnomefreak> bug 47564
[10:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47564 in firefox "closes when scrolling" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/47564
[10:23] <gnomefreak> its there
[10:24] <gnomefreak> im installing flash and java now
[10:24] <gnomefreak> but im thinking since coredump is gone that means its all there
[10:24] <asac> hmm
[10:25] <asac> not the info i hoped for
[10:25] <asac> we need stack traces
[10:25] <gnomefreak> i was afraid of that
[10:25] <gnomefreak> keescook: you around?
[10:25] <keescook> gnomefreak: yup!
[10:26] <gnomefreak> have you been following?
[10:26] <keescook> I haven't been, no, let me catch up
[10:26] <gnomefreak> i got a retrace done it has no stacktrace
[10:26] <keescook> hm... that's weird
[10:26] <keescook> this is from 47564?
[10:27] <gnomefreak> http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/343204
[10:27] <gnomefreak> yes
[10:27] <gnomefreak> thats the warnings i got you see anything usful?
[10:27] <keescook> which version of apport do you have installed?
[10:27] <gnomefreak> after i get all these packages installed i will run it on the same version of ff that i have
[10:27] <gnomefreak> feistys
[10:28] <gnomefreak> on edgy chroot
[10:28] <gnomefreak> thats why the warnings i bet
[10:28] <keescook> (that pastebin is still loading.... wild)
[10:28] <gnomefreak> its not that big either :(
[10:28] <gnomefreak> wasnt. the file i sent output to is empty all of a sudden
[10:29] <keescook> can you repaste warnings to pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org?
[10:30] <gnomefreak> ill let you know but i would have to rerun it again unless i can get my pastebin to open
[10:31] <gnomefreak> doesnt look like it. let me run the other one maybe ill get same warnings
[10:34] <gnomefreak> ha found it
[10:34] <keescook> ?
[10:35] <gnomefreak> the warnings
[10:35] <gnomefreak> too many terminals open :)
[10:35] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4475/
[10:35] <gnomefreak> those are warnings
[10:36] <asac> WARNING: version 2:1.firefox<IP_ADDRESS>+0dfsg-0ubuntu0.6.10 of dependency package libnspr4 is installed, but version 2:1.firefox2.0+0dfsg-0ubuntu3 is required for retrace. Skipping.
[10:36] <gnomefreak> the chroots are gonna have to be full i think
[10:36] <asac> i guess that says it
[10:36] <asac> exact same version is needed
[10:37] <gnomefreak> 2.0+0dfsg-0ubuntu3 is required for retrace.
[10:37] <gnomefreak> he needs to update his crash report thats all
[10:37] <asac> try
[10:38] <asac> still in your cache?
[10:38] <gnomefreak> no
[10:38] <asac> hmm is there a thing like archives.debian.net for ubuntu?
[10:38] <gnomefreak> <IP_ADDRESS> is latest installing ff in chroot never grabbed it
[10:38] <gnomefreak> packages.ubuntu.com
[10:39] <asac> yes but that has no history?
[10:40] <gnomefreak> thats the only thing i know fo close
[10:40] <gnomefreak> of
[10:40] <gnomefreak> i think its pittis edgy repo if you ask me
[10:40] <gnomefreak> i dont think he updated it when packages updated
[10:44] <asac> hmmm ... maybe the package he initially used is still in the main repository and the new one is in security archive?
[10:44] <asac> how many versions do you get with apt-cache show firefox ?
[10:45] <gnomefreak> search doesnt give versions
[10:45] <gnomefreak> oh show
[10:45] <keescook>    firefox | 2.0+0dfsg-0ubuntu3 | http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main Sources
[10:45] <keescook> yeah, you should be able to downgrade it
[10:46] <gnomefreak> 2
[10:46] <gnomefreak> hold on i ran one on the version i have
[10:46] <gnomefreak> one of the reports on that bug was <IP_ADDRESS> and other was 2.0+0
[10:48] <gnomefreak> here are the warnings on the one with same version http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4482/
[10:48] <gnomefreak> my tee command isnt working either
[10:48] <asac> install with =version :)
[10:48] <asac> ok i am off for a while
[10:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83634 in firefox (main) "Crash upon deleting bookmark" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83634
[10:51] <gnomefreak> the one i ran has a stacktrace and a huge coredump still (size of report 36177277)
[10:53] <gnomefreak> how do you downgrade with apt?
[10:55] <gnomefreak> ok installing the older version of firefox to run the retrace on it
[11:07] <gnomefreak> keescook: is this right  "command | tee 2>&1 debuginfo"
[11:08] <keescook> for saving stderr to the tee too?  Nah, gotta move it earlier:  command 2>&1 | tee debuginfo
[11:08] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[11:08] <keescook> all of stderr (2) gets redirected (>&) into stdout (1).  everything after the pipe is the next process
[11:10] <gnomefreak> ah ok :) im running the first one i ran with correct version of ff lets hope its good
[11:10] <gnomefreak> that worked ty :)
[12:25] <gnomefreak> your not gonna like this asac
[12:26] <gnomefreak> i recommend any crash report that is not the updated version of ff we need to ask for a new one. ive been running this retrace on the downgraded version and it will not complete. about 1 and half hours it stalled in one place and wont move
[12:27] <gnomefreak> i got a great retrace of the up to date one. i have a stacktrace that looks full on the older version but thats about it