[05:38] <BlueEagle> cafuego: You went wrong with a good episode of mythbusters? Dude I think that's kind of "don't try this at home" stuff.
[05:38] <cafuego> BlueEagle: mythbusters are on SBS (Australian) and are not interrupted with 15 minutes of ads every 5 minutes there.
[05:38] <vanberge> linner, not typically...
[05:39] <vanberge> although ive been meaning to try one some day
[05:39] <airmikey> what is the command to load c header
[05:39] <linner> vanberge, so I take it you can't recommend something to listen to them on either huh? :)
[05:39] <cafuego> airmikey: in what?
[05:39] <dabaR> airmikey: this is not a good question.
[05:39] <airmikey> for vmware
[05:39] <vanberge> itunes  :-/
[05:39] <cafuego> airmikey: Are you after the kernel headres perhaps?
[05:39] <linner> hehehe... you can't hear it on linux though can you?
[05:39] <airmikey> yes
[05:39] <PovRayMan> dabaR: ok so sometime whenever when i'm looking at the ubuntu update manager, i'll see a big ol' update?
[05:39] <themot> airmikey:  using synaptic u need to install gcc and linux source or headers ...cant remember which
[05:40] <dabaR> PovRayMan: no, the sources need to be changed to breezy, instead of hoary.
[05:40] <vanberge> i dont even know if itunes can run... maybe under wine?
[05:40] <airmikey> gcc is installed
[05:40] <linner> oh i didn't think of that... but i don't think so
[05:40] <Alinux> 2.6.8-60 xorg, it's final realise?
[05:40] <themot> in other words:  there are a few things to install before vmware will install succesfully, it's frustrating at first
[05:40] <linner> bummer
[05:40] <nalioth> airmikey: install "build-essential" it will install all you need for developement
[05:40] <Alinux> for breezy I mean.
[05:40] <PovRayMan> dabaR: so that means what exactly? Sorry I'm quite the newbie to linux and i've found ubuntu to be the most awesome :)
[05:40] <dabaR> I believe it should not be too hard to set up a little app that will tell you: " There is a new version of the OS available! CLick here if you want to upgrade, so it may be like that one day.
[05:41] <PovRayMan> ok cool
[05:41] <vanberge> linner, did you find out how to install KDE ok?
[05:41] <dabaR> PovRayMan: no need to say you are a newb, your questions will tell me that if I want to know...
[05:41] <nalioth> PovRayMan: you need never "install" another OS
[05:41] <dabaR> PovRayMan: did you get the message from ubotu?
[05:41] <vanberge> then all you have to do is select it as a session before you log into your system...
[05:41] <linner> vanberge, I'll be honest with you... no... I'm not trying right now...
[05:41] <PovRayMan> no no, i'm just looking at the upcoming 5.10 release and how it's got new stuff
[05:41] <linner> vanberge, I'm sure I'll figure it out though with everyone's kind help in here ;)
[05:41] <PovRayMan> i was wondering how my 5.04 system will manage updating if at all
[05:41] <vanberge> linner, no problem... seems like your pretty new... one thing at a time
[05:41] <linner> vanberge, I'm still trying to find out if I can get an app to check my gmail for me
[05:41] <nalioth> PovRayMan: be patient til mid october
[05:41] <dabaR> PovRayMan: ubotu is a bot, send a message to the channel as so: /msg ubotu upgrade2breezy
[05:41] <c0rrup7> airmikey, make a #uname -r  then open synaptic and search for headers, compare to your uname and install the corresponting
[05:42] <linner> vanberge, I very much am... 4 days to be exact...
[05:42] <linner> :)
[05:42] <vanberge> linner, thunderbird
[05:42] <PovRayMan> nalioth: i'm just curious that's all :)
[05:42] <themot> airmikey:  look at this link   http://www.tuxme.com/node/536
[05:42] <linner> vanberge, I'm not a thunderbird lover... used it on the PC and wasn't that jazzed with it... it's okay...
[05:42] <linner> :)
[05:42] <PovRayMan> i've managed to get synergy2 running so I thought that was pretty cool hehe
[05:42] <vanberge> evolution perhaps?
[05:43] <intelikey> used it on a PC linner
[05:43] <airmikey> c0rrup7: i did that ..loaded the header
[05:43] <intelikey> what are you on now ?
[05:43] <nalioth> PovRayMan: on the grand scheme of things, the next release wont be that much different
[05:43] <linner> vanberge, I'd love to use Evolution but it doesn't sync properly with my T3...
[05:43] <linner> :(
[05:43] <Alinux> best solution thunderbird if yuo want to share mails with windows.
[05:43] <vanberge> i like thunderbird just because of its rss... groups them like email.
[05:43] <linner> intelikey, yep
[05:43] <c0rrup7> ok, so it shouldnt ask for the headers anymore
[05:43] <PovRayMan> nalioth: so the new version of gnome really won't be that big a deal?
[05:43] <vanberge> with your T3 ???
[05:43] <cafuego> Best solution is an IMAP server to store your mail on.
[05:43] <linner> vanberge, sorry Palm Tungsten T3
[05:44] <c0rrup7> word ! imap rules, pop3 is useless
[05:44] <vanberge> ahh... ok
[05:44] <dabaR> PovRayMan: there is a file, /etc/apt/sources.list. It contains a list of repositories from which you can install files. It can be manually edited, or you can use synaptic, or apt-get to edit it for you. Your current sources.list has hoary as the version. When the time comes, you change that to breezy, and do the 3 button dance in synaptic. reload, mark all upgrades(or so, I dont use it) and apply.
[05:44] <nalioth> PovRayMan: there are a few new things, mosty incomprehensible to me (they means something to somebody, tho)
[05:44] <linner> vanberge, one of these days I'll figure out RSS... and I'm sure I'll appreciate Thunderbird then
[05:44] <themot> I still dig my webmail interface
[05:44] <vanberge> jeez i have never tried to sync a pda with linux
[05:44] <PovRayMan> dabaR: badass, i get it now.  Thanks :)
[05:45] <linner> themot, I love it too
[05:45] <linner> themot, that's the reason I want a good notifier
[05:45] <dabaR> So, when breezy badger comes out, your sources.list will still contain the hoary as the sources, so it will not know about the new packages. taht is why you change to breezy in the sources.list
[05:45] <cafuego> You can run any number of web interfaces on imap. aha!
[05:45] <dabaR> then you update, and upgrade, and it gets the new versions.
[05:46] <dabaR> I wish ubotu could remember longer posts like that so I dobnt have top type it out many times...
[05:46] <PovRayMan> when it goes to upgrade stuff like gnome and whatnot, wouldn't i have to reboot or whatever for the changes to apply?
[05:46] <Xorlev> I'm going to stick with Hoary until mid to end October.
[05:46] <Vexir> Can someone help me with installing drivers for my ATI Radeon 9800 Pro? I don't know what to do
[05:46] <Xorlev> By then the major kinks will be gone.
[05:46] <cafuego> dabaR: The limit is an IRC limit.
[05:46] <dabaR> it will restart the xserver for you... PovRayMan, it is indicated in its script.
[05:46] <dabaR> cafuego: I see.
[05:46] <PovRayMan> oh ok cool
[05:46] <cafuego> dabaR: ... or it stores as 'tinytext' or osmesuch.
[05:46] <dabaR> the install script that will be called during the install of the new gnome.
[05:47] <c0rrup7> dabaR, is that 100 % right ? an update could possibly update your sources list, couldn't it ?
[05:47] <themot> cafuego:  isnt the point of imap to use it with a non-webmail client?
[05:47] <cafuego> themot: No, why would it be?
[05:47] <vanberge> can somebody try sourceforge ?  i cant seem to bring up the page
[05:47] <themot> webmail folders would be stored on the server anyways
[05:47] <dabaR> c0rrup7: an update does not change sources.list, it uses sources.list to update the package list.
[05:47] <cafuego> themot: webmail is just another imap client.
[05:47] <dabaR> vanberge: ping it. ping sf.net
[05:48] <vanberge> ping ok... page even tries to load... i get favicon... but page does not display
[05:48] <dabaR> clear out cache.
[05:48] <vanberge> did
[05:48] <Gobbla> anyone know if you have to do something to be able to play subs in vlc?
[05:48] <c0rrup7> dabaR, thats right, but it runs as root so it could update the sources.list, too
[05:48] <dabaR> installed a firewall?
[05:48] <vanberge> nope
[05:48] <Vexir> Can someone help me with installing drivers for my ATI Radeon 9800 Pro? I don't know what to do
[05:48] <dabaR> it could if that is what it does...
[05:48] <shawnz> c0rrup7: not really
[05:48] <shawnz> it has the power to
[05:48] <cafuego> !ati
[05:48] <dabaR> was what it did.
[05:48] <ubotu> ati is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10&highlight=fglrx
[05:49] <shawnz> but there is no programming to change the sources file.
[05:49] <cafuego> Vexir: Check those two links.
[05:49] <shawnz> which means its not possible
[05:49] <Vexir> cafuego: thanks.
[05:49] <dabaR> $10.
[05:49] <pussfeller> does xine not do mkv?
[05:49] <c0rrup7> right shawnz , because its maybe not what every1 would want to do ;)
[05:49] <vanberge> hmm... even page source is empty
[05:49] <vanberge> must be having trouble
[05:49] <shawnz> c0rrup7: ?
[05:49] <dabaR> c0rrup7: the principle of modularity, each thing does one specific task.
[05:50] <cafuego> pussfeller: mkv is a travesty
[05:50] <shawnz> listen, no where in update is there code to change the sources.list file
[05:50] <shawnz> so why would it
[05:50] <themot> I think pound for pound the best app I have loaded is gnome commander, ne1 else use it?
[05:50] <pussfeller> cafuego: why you say that?
[05:50] <PovRayMan> themot:  what is it
[05:51] <themot> just another file browser, but light and quick
[05:51] <dabaR> c0rrup7: apt-setup is what is used to change sources.list with apt nto sure about aptitude yet.
[05:51] <hihi5> I have a K8V SE Deluxe and GEIL 512 MB of CL25-4-4DDR 400 RAM  -- I ran MemTest a few months ago, from the ubuntu distro,and I got a POST message saying "CPU over temperature error"  - I hit escape key, and everything is working fine....I replicated this experience again tonight...is my RAM bad?  I didnt get any errors after 2 tests...
[05:51] <cafuego> pussfeller: Because it is.
[05:51] <cafuego> hihi5: No, an overheating CPU doesn't involve bad ram.
[05:52] <pussfeller> mkv is just a wrapper
[05:52] <BlueEagle> hihi5: CPU over temperature error on a mem test suggests poor cooling, perhaps bad use of cooling paste between the processor and the heatsink?
[05:52] <cafuego> pussfeller: Indeed, unusable in a lot of software.
[05:52] <dabaR> see...like travesty...
[05:52] <Lucifer_> why won't iwconfig connect me to a network, but the network gui can?
[05:52] <tommy2> Oh man, I'm gonna get wacked for asking this. But I just got back in and learned how to use the terminal. I have a .run file saved to my desktop. I went to cd ~/Desktop whats my next step?
[05:52] <dabaR> a wrapper.
[05:52] <dabaR> heh, not to judge, or be stupid...
[05:52] <nmstryoda> what is the ubuntu breezy channel?
[05:52] <Vexir> The terminal says my driver is upto date with the latest version.. if so, why cant I increase screen resolution beyond 1024 by 768 ??
[05:52] <cafuego> hihi5: Go into the bios at bootup and check what temp limit is set as warning.
[05:52] <vanberge> tommy2,  sh ./filename.run
[05:53] <cafuego> hihi5: If it's 50C< set it to 60 (should be fine).
[05:53] <dabaR> tommy2: what is the file?
[05:53] <nmstryoda> anyone?
[05:53] <pussfeller> well this one i got i making xine crash, but gmplayer plays it
[05:53] <dabaR> vanberge: has to +x it likely.
[05:53] <tommy2> enemy territory :D
[05:53] <cafuego> hihi5: If it's already 60 or 70, maybe consider checking the cpu fam.
[05:53] <dabaR> nmstryoda: are you in a hurry?
[05:53] <chavo> tommy2, might need root priviledges
[05:53] <nmstryoda> well, i need to ask a question
[05:53] <tommy2> uh oh, what does that mean?
[05:53] <BlueEagle> hihi5: 1st try removing dust from the heatsink. If that doesn't fix it check the fan (is it spinning at all) if it is remove the heatsink (or have someone that know what they are doing do if if you don't feel up to it) and check the cooling paste.
[05:53] <nmstryoda> not here since I'm on breez
[05:53] <chavo> if you install in /usr/local
[05:53] <nmstryoda> y
[05:53] <dabaR> well, wait a sec before you say anyone, at least...
[05:53] <themot> !ubuntu-breezy
[05:53] <ubotu> Wish i knew, themot
[05:53] <dabaR> there is no such thing...
[05:53] <pussfeller> how you set the subtitle size in totem anyways
[05:54] <chavo> tommy_h, do -> sudo ./filename.run
[05:54] <Vexir> The terminal says my driver is upto date with the latest version.. if so, why cant I increase screen resolution beyond 1024 by 768 ??
[05:54] <chavo> oh an et rocks!
[05:54] <dabaR> or, this is it.
[05:54] <tommy2> yes it does! :D
[05:54] <nalioth> !tell vexir -about resolution
[05:54] <chavo> it's about the only game I play
[05:54] <tommy2> im gonna give it a shot
[05:54] <BlueEagle> vexir: Perhaps your monitor isn't configured correctly?
[05:54] <dabaR> Use this form: I installed breezy, and updated today last time. I get this error when I do this.
[05:54] <pussfeller> you ever play etf?
[05:54] <nmstryoda> monitor or laptop screen?
[05:55] <chavo> no I'm not much of a gamer, but  I love et
[05:55] <nmstryoda> Vexir, desktop or laptop?
[05:55] <pussfeller> like tfc kinda but with et engine
[05:55] <themot> I always thought breeezy was a wuss begining for a fearsome badger ...they coulda named it bad badger or beastly badger
[05:55] <chavo> yeah, I've been on some servers running it
[05:56] <chavo> themot, ubuntu is a kind distro
[05:56] <dabaR> breezy, cause he is stinky.
[05:56] <nmstryoda> Vexir, you still here
[05:56] <nmstryoda> dabaR, he has gas
[05:56] <nmstryoda> =)
[05:56] <chavo> we're all about peace and love and gas
[05:56] <dabaR> so a breeze+badger, no good.
[05:56] <nmstryoda> breezy that is
[05:56] <pussfeller> i saw a beaver today :)
[05:57] <nmstryoda> esp. after 40
[05:57] <pussfeller> a big black beaver
[05:57] <dabaR> My nick means beaver.
[05:57] <chavo> I like my beaver shaved
[05:57] <dabaR> chavo: dont share...
[05:57] <pussfeller> first time i ever saw one
[05:57] <hihi5> breasey beaver :)
[05:57] <nmstryoda> hehe
[05:57] <themot> here comes the mod down
[05:57] <chavo> lol
[05:57] <dabaR> lol
[05:57] <hihi5> oy :)
[05:57] <nmstryoda> chavo, beaver skin is something to behold....
[05:57] <chavo> Wynona had a big brown beaver
[05:58] <BlueEagle> TMI chavo
[05:58] <tommy2> when i did the /sudo command it asked me for a password
[05:58] <nmstryoda> #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:58] <tommy2> it wont let me type though
[05:58] <nmstryoda> tommy2, sudo
[05:58] <PovRayMan> haha gnome commander is so old school
[05:58] <BlueEagle> tommy2: That is the password you've defined for your user.
[05:58] <nmstryoda> your password
[05:58] <tommy2> i type and nothing comes on screen
[05:58] <PovRayMan> i feel like i'm back in win95
[05:58] <cafuego> Eeeeeeeeevil!
[05:58] <nmstryoda> tommy2, you won't see it
[05:58] <dabaR> I bet gnome commander comes from midnight commander.
[05:58] <BlueEagle> tommy2: passwords are not echoed to screen. It's not a bug but a feature
[05:58] <nmstryoda> but notice the $ changes to #
[05:59] <themot> I kinda dig it though
[05:59] <hihi5> i hate sudo
[05:59] <nmstryoda> well, get used to the Linux way
[05:59] <tommy2> oh, thats pretty cool
[05:59] <PovRayMan> i think sudo should be changed to sumo
[05:59] <nmstryoda> hihi5, i use sudo -s
[05:59] <vanberge> hihi5, you could stop using it...
[05:59] <PovRayMan> because i like sumo wrestlers
[05:59] <intelikey> tommy2 it is not echoed to stdout for security purposes
[05:59] <vanberge> sudo passwd root
[05:59] <vanberge> change your root password
[05:59] <nmstryoda> true
[06:00] <h17m4n> Question: Is there a way to install the 32-bit kernell and apps without reinstalling?
[06:00] <hihi5> i dont use it vanberge  -- i just login as su
[06:00] <cafuego> or not, and just use sudo. It's not as if you need is 20 times a day.
[06:00] <h17m4n> and no I don't mean chroot... I mean replacement
[06:00] <themot> airmikey:  how's that isntall of vmware coming?
[06:00] <chavo> I didn't like the idea of sudo at first
[06:00] <hihi5> or a root terminal.
[06:00] <chavo> but after you get your system up and running how often do you really use it?
[06:00] <Fiyawerx> heh, im used to sudo just from the way our company works
[06:00] <PovRayMan> i have a bunch of times
[06:01] <hihi5> i'm aways installin crap constantly
[06:01] <dbernar1> chavo: depends on how you use your system, I use it more than 20 times... in an evening.
[06:01] <dbernar1> and I always use sudo, same thing, a thing of habbit.
[06:01] <cafuego> hihi5: especially then, sudo is easy and handy.
[06:01] <jojoman02> is this where to get help (if not could someone tell me where i can get help, i'm a total newbie)
[06:01] <BlueEagle> chavo: Hear hear! I also found it annoying, but now actually appreciate it. I used to leave root logins all over the place... :)
[06:01] <dbernar1> !ask
[06:01] <chavo> I have set a root password, but still use sudo
[06:01] <Fiyawerx> what window managers do you guys use?
[06:01] <chavo> it's just as easy
[06:02] <jojoman02> how do i install a deb package (don't laugh)
[06:02] <BlueEagle> jojoman02: dpkg -i packagename
[06:02] <cafuego> jojoman02: 'sudo dpkg -i foo.deb'
[06:02] <chavo> jojoman02, dpkg -i
[06:02] <intelikey> chavo if i had to use sudo i would be adding five keystrokes to almost half of what i type.   (excluding irc)
[06:02] <jojoman02> kk thanks
[06:02] <themot> I am supoposed to go to new orleans in the near future to do some tech work (computer setup) one of the things in my arsenal of stupid end-user fixes are 10 freshly burned breezy live cd's ...i will make converts out of em if it kills me
[06:02] <cafuego> intelikey: 'sudo -s' (voila, shell)
[06:02] <tommy2> when i type sudo do i need ./ after?
[06:02] <dbernar1> jojoman02: why are you installing a deb?
[06:02] <tommy2> or just /
[06:02] <hihi5> anyone know a way to securely shred files on a ReisterFS file system?
[06:02] <nmstryoda> themot, good luck
[06:02] <BlueEagle> sudo inteliky: You can add sudo in irc too. :p
[06:03] <chavo> intelikey, well I just browse the net and listen to tunes and play et for the most part
[06:03] <nmstryoda> hihi5, yes, burn the drive
[06:03] <chavo> and idle in irc
[06:03] <cafuego> hihi5: yes, just _use_ the filesystem.
[06:03] <nmstryoda> =)
[06:03] <hihi5> cafuego: funny
[06:03] <cafuego> hihi5: I'm not kidding.
[06:04] <BlueEagle> cafuego: Well, I've never had reiserfs crash'n'burn on me. :)
[06:04] <dbernar1> why does the gnome commander not use gtk:(
[06:04] <cafuego> BlueEagle: you forgot "yet"
[06:04] <hihi5> cafuego:  how do I do it using the filesystem?  or r u just sayin it crashes....
[06:04] <intelikey> chavo you should consider adding some contribution to the GNU community, write an app or someting.
[06:04] <cafuego> hihi5: it will eventually crash beyond recovery.
[06:04] <tommy2> sudo /et-linux-2.60.x86.run wont work, it says something about command, neither will sudo ./et-linux-2.60.x86.run but sh /et-linux-2.60.x86.run will work, why is that?
[06:05] <hihi5> cafuego:  what file system do you recommend?
[06:05] <nalioth> hihi5: ext3
[06:05] <themot> does tommy2 need to chmod anything?
[06:05] <vanberge> anybody know that automated fluxbox menu generator off the top of your head?  :-)   ty in advance!
[06:05] <cafuego> tommy2: 'sudo sh ./et-linux-2.60.x86.run'
[06:05] <BlueEagle> tommy2: the file is not executable. You need to chmod o+x filename to make it executable with ./filename
[06:06] <cafuego> hihi5: ext3 or ext2 if you would like to keep the data.
[06:06] <chavo> intelikey, I like to dabble around, but I'm not a programmer
[06:06] <tommy2> Thanks!
[06:06] <Madpilot> hi all
[06:06] <tommy2> cafuego what you told me worked
[06:06] <tommy2> so far at least...
[06:07] <chavo> but I did help the kubuntu devs find a patch for the gtk-qt engine, so I'm trying
[06:07] <dbernar1> jojoman02: why are you installing a .deb?
[06:07] <cafuego> tommy2: Of course.
[06:07] <BlueEagle> dbernar1: because opera isn't in the repositories? :p
[06:07] <jojoman02> i need the latest bittorrent (beta) with trackerless support
[06:07] <hihi5> I am using KDE now, over ubuntu -- its not so hot.  I like XFCE best.
[06:07] <intelikey> every little 'bit' counts.     pun intended
[06:07] <brownie17> i am getting an error when i run synaptic, can anyone help me?
[06:08] <jojoman02> synaptic is the best...
[06:08] <chavo> I love KDE.
[06:08] <BlueEagle> brownie17: Not unless you tell us what the error message is.
[06:08] <chavo> XFCE is pretty cool too
[06:08] <chavo> but my fave is KDE
[06:08] <dbernar1> BlueEagle: you know this for a fact? I dont like how you act... Sond of da police, KRS One.
[06:08] <jojoman02> gnome feels more "solid"
[06:09] <dbernar1> jojoman02: and you got the deb where?
[06:09] <chavo> gnome is great if you don't know what's going on
[06:09] <jojoman02> from the bittorrent.com website
[06:09] <Davey|Laptop> Has anyone here managed to successfully uses gnome-launch-box on Hoary?
[06:09] <dbernar1> heh. I figured it out. There was a program called norton commander a while back, for dos...that is where the whole commander thing comes from, I bet.
[06:09] <jojoman02> dbernarl: from official website
[06:10] <brownie17> BlueEagle, getting it, just a tic
[06:10] <Xenguy> dbernar1: basically that's it, yes
[06:10] <jojoman02> dbernarl: from official website
[06:10] <dbernar1> ok, sounds ok, maybe, jojoman02 good luck.
[06:10] <brownie17> BlueEagle, ill pm it to you
[06:10] <Fiyawerx> anyone use fluxbox?
[06:10] <intelikey> dbernar1 midnight commander ?
[06:10] <dbernar1> Xenguy: yayaya, the mc looks exactly like NC:)
[06:10] <dbernar1> Im gonna use that.
[06:10] <tommy2> Yup, I was in and playing.  The original.
[06:11] <intelikey> it is supposed to be nc for linux
[06:11] <dbernar1> nalioth: what do you mean?
[06:11] <tommy2> With the drivers bundled with Ubuntu... :D
[06:11] <brownie17> BlueEagle, also in synaptic it is ONLY showing me the KDE packages, and i want them all
[06:11] <intelikey> that was the idea.   but i think the mc team out did norton by a mile.
[06:11] <tommy2> My power supply crapped out and my computer wont boot with my x800.
[06:11] <chavo> tommy2, you have too install nvdia drivers
[06:11] <dbernar1> gnome-commander too.
[06:12] <tommy2> So this 430w can only juice an original radeon...
[06:12] <chavo> I mean ati
[06:12] <chavo> woops
[06:12] <BlueEagle> brownie17: Have you searched for KDE and is still in the serach window? (lower left part of screen)
[06:12] <tommy2> ATi doesnt have linux drivers for a card this old.
[06:12] <tommy2> They have them for my x800
[06:12] <nalioth> dbernar1: norton commander (i believe) introduced the interface we use in midnight cmdr and krusader (great file mangler for console, mc is)
[06:12] <cafuego> Davey|Laptop: Seems to hang X quite hadly.
[06:12] <tommy2> but like I said, my current PSU refuses to boot with it plugged in.
[06:12] <regeya> heh...back in the enlightenment DR, oh, I think about DR12, I remember using some ultra-funky rustified theme, and nearly everything on-screen were these amber-monitor-themed rxvts all over the place, which included on running mc.  heh, ultra-themed WMs.  what a waste of time. ;-)
[06:12] <dbernar1> what do you mean it just made sense?
[06:12] <intelikey> Xenguy ever use gentoo   it is based on the same nc/mc
[06:12] <chavo> don't they have unified driver now?
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> I got a X200 Mobility in my laptop.. wonder if they support it yet.
[06:12] <tommy2> For 8500 and up.
[06:12] <tommy2> This is THE original Radeon. :D
[06:12] <dbernar1> nalioth: ^ and, also, krusader, not a kde app?
[06:13] <chavo> oh
[06:13] <themot> i dig blackbox (fluxbox deriv) for my minimal side
[06:13] <brownie17> nalioth: i need a hand, i am going to PM you the error message i get when i open synaptic
[06:13] <tommy2> Thanks for the help Chavo. What did that sudo command do?
[06:13] <nalioth> dbernar1: krusader is kde based, yes
[06:13] <Madpilot> !sudo
[06:13] <ubotu> from memory, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:13] <Madpilot> tommy2: see ubotu ^^^
[06:13] <dbernar1> heh you can sudo mc, and do that, if you wanted to...:-/
[06:13] <chavo> tommy2, that gives you permissin to write in system folders
[06:13] <themot> !botsnack
[06:13] <ubotu> thanks themot :)
[06:14] <ghost_> how do i run a script it keeps on giving me permissin denide or bad interpetor
[06:14] <themot> !blackbox
[06:14] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, themot
[06:14] <chavo> is there a bot in #kubuntu ?
[06:14] <tommy2> Let's say I have a bunch of MP3's or something. How can I create a folder to store them in? I don't quite understand how this file setup works...
[06:14] <themot> chavo:  dunno
[06:14] <cafuego> ghost_: chache the first line of the script, so it uses a real interpertor.
[06:14] <vu> What's an equivalent od SBM for an old white tower G3 that somehow will boot OS9 but not the Ubuntu?
[06:14] <chavo> yeah he's there
[06:14] <chavo> ubotu
[06:15] <tommy2> I cant just open the file system drive and creat a folder can i?
[06:15] <intelikey> ghost_ "ls -l <script> " and see if it is executable
[06:15] <ghost_> its a configure scrit for compiling sry should've metioned that
[06:15] <chavo> I hang out in there and try to help people out,
[06:15] <regeya> instead of doing productive things with my linux box back in those first-major-rewrite-of-enlightenment days, I just made my desktop look like something out of max headroom.  I didn't get much done but it was pretty.  *sigh*
[06:15] <Madpilot> tommy2: "file system" is all owned by root by default
[06:15] <chavo> so I can use the bot instead of trying to remember all these things
[06:15] <Fiyawerx> !fluxbox
[06:15] <ubotu> from memory, fluxbox is forked off blackbox and is found at http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net
[06:16] <brownie17> !repos
[06:16] <ubotu> it has been said that repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[06:16] <tommy2> Now that I installed Enemy Territory. How do I add it to my games folder?
[06:17] <Davey> cafuego, yeah, seems to :/
[06:17] <tommy2> Add Applications?
[06:17] <cafuego> vu: blue&white or beige?
[06:17] <Twiggy> Anybody know of Xorg config options that would shift the offset in tvout?
[06:17] <cyphase> anyone know why i wouldn't be able to see windows computers in "Windows Network" , but still be able to connect to them by using "Connect to Server..."?
[06:17] <ghost_> it is
[06:17] <cafuego> Davey: Well, it *is* version 0.1
[06:17] <chavo> tommy2, it installed an icon for me,
[06:17] <vanberge> tommy2, you might need to log off / back on.
[06:18] <themot> tommy2:  symbolic link... like a shortcut... the command is "ln" and some parameters
[06:18] <mik3> omg gtk-gnutella <3
[06:18] <ghost_> ??
[06:19] <themot> !ln
[06:19] <ubotu> ln is a link. For a symbolic link, do: ln -s <target> <link_name>
[06:19] <intelikey> ghost_ perl script ?    the first line tells that.   you can extract the first line like "grep -m1 -ie"[a-z] " <file.name> "
[06:19] <caonex> What does it mean that my processor is dual timing?
[06:19] <vu> cafuego, beige
[06:19] <mik3> god i love my neighbors bandwidth
[06:20] <cafuego> vu: You would need to install using BootX, that's an OldWorld mac (they can't boot Linux off CD)
[06:20] <themot> mik3:  god the cops love that you love your neighbors bandwidth   :P
[06:20] <ghost_> i have a perl srcipt but thats for a diff prog i need to run configure
[06:20] <neiras> Hi there - I am testing Breezy and usplash starts up in a nasty, flickery, streched resolution. Does anyone know how to configure usplash to use a proper resolution? vga= and video= kernal options don't seem to do anything.
[06:20] <ghost_> for mplayer
[06:20] <intelikey> ghost_ ./configure
[06:20] <vu> cafuego,  Where to get this BootX devil
[06:21] <dabaR> ghost_: are you installing mplayer?
[06:21] <cafuego> vu: http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/
[06:21] <neiras> vu: BootX requires MacOS to stay installed
[06:21] <mik3> themot : indeed
[06:21] <neiras> vu: quik is probably more like what you want for oldworld macs
[06:21] <intelikey> ghost_ in the same directory as the configure file of course.
[06:21] <ghost_> i know that lol it wont let me permissian denide ive with sudo
[06:21] <cafuego> vu: You will need a smallish (150 Mb or so) MacOS HFS (not HFS+) install.
[06:21] <themot> mik3:  I am just as guilty of it as the rest
[06:21] <neiras> vu: In fact, plain-jane debian installs a lot easier than Ubuntu on an oldworld
[06:22] <ghost_> dabaR yes
[06:22] <dabaR> ghost_: why from source, there are binaries.
[06:22] <cafuego> neiras: Not that I've noticed.
[06:22] <nalioth> vu: yes. installing ubuntu on your mac will teach you some things
[06:22] <ghost_> cant find deb binary but i still need source for othere things
[06:22] <vu> neiras,  debina or ubuntu or whatever I still need to get the booting going.
[06:23] <nige> i have big probem
[06:23] <nige> i think i may have just lost all my work on my hdd
[06:23] <themot> we have bin answe
[06:23] <nige> i reinstalled linux over wrote the first hdd complete
[06:23] <nige> which i was hapy to do
[06:23] <nige> so i plugged the 2nd one in
[06:23] <dabaR> ghost_: you can get the binary from universe.
[06:23] <nige> i edited the fstab to add the new drive in it
[06:23] <nige> then did a mkfs
[06:23] <nige> and now all i find when i mount the drive is the lost and fond folder
[06:23] <nige> did i totally screw it up
[06:23] <nige> ?
[06:23] <ghost_> k il try again dint find it first time
[06:24] <themot> !mkfs
[06:24] <ubotu> themot: I haven't a clue
[06:24] <dabaR> Sorry to hear that, nige.
[06:24] <neiras> vu - true, and debian installs quik automatically, with no macos partition
[06:24] <nige> did i kill it bady?
[06:24] <neiras> vu - http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/install
[06:24] <intelikey> nige learn to use "man <command> "   mkfs = msdos' format
[06:24] <nige> i did before
[06:24] <vu> neiras, I see
[06:24] <nige> now i know
[06:25] <ce_matre> hai
[06:25] <nige> that the data would still be there
[06:25] <nige> even if all the pointers are wiped
[06:25] <makyron> anyone know how to install a debian package that isn't in aptitude (or synaptic)?
[06:25] <vanberge> nige, what was on that disk?
[06:25] <nige> whats the best way to get it back though
[06:25] <neiras> vu - what kind of oldworld are you using? I'm on a performa 6400/200
[06:25] <nige> well it was my backup of my lifes work :)
[06:25] <ghost_> nope doesnt find it
[06:25] <nige> all my tafe doco music photos
[06:25] <xfxf> yo, probably been asked a million times, but if i s/hoary/breezy/ in my sources.conf i should be upgraded to the pre-release which is more or less stable?
[06:25] <nige> all that stuff
[06:25] <vu> neiras, I was hoping to get the ubuntu and test it
[06:25] <nige> i backed it up so i could redo my desktop
[06:25] <intelikey> nige if you mkfs'make a file system' (format a drive)  it wont have any data on it.....
[06:25] <nige> then my server did
[06:25] <nige> well
[06:26] <nalioth> vu: it can be done, you just need to follow the wiki
[06:26] <dabaR> xfxf: yes, no.
[06:26] <nige> as far as remember from my dos days
[06:26] <nige> when you do a format
[06:26] <vu> neiras,  MAn thi si a dino from the 1997-8 CompUSA etc tc
[06:26] <dabaR> heh, maybe, I never tried.
[06:26] <nige> it is possible to recover the data still
[06:26] <themot> nige: my man, (puts arm around your shoulder) u r in dire straits
[06:26] <dabaR> themot: htf do you know?
[06:26] <intelikey> nige this is not dos.
[06:26] <vu> nalioth, Sure
[06:26] <dabaR> dont tell the guy what you dont know, especially if its not good news.
[06:27] <nige> okay
[06:27] <nige> so its all gone
[06:27] <nige> right??
[06:27] <nige> its alllllll gone
[06:27] <nige> the funny thins is though
[06:27] <ghost_> i have added univers lol not my fist time using linux firs time with ubunto tho
[06:27] <themot> dabaR:  his chances of recovery??
[06:27] <nige> cfdisk reads the disk as 1 part and fidisk reads it as 2
[06:27] <dabaR> Noone that knows anything told you anything yet, but, it seems it is gone.
[06:27] <nige> hmmmmm okay
[06:28] <monte> Hello
[06:28] <ksmurf> They did a great job on breezy!  I guess it's not done yet....................
[06:28] <neiras> vu - ubuntu doesn't support oldworld macs. debian does.
[06:28] <vu> nalioth, I understand ubuntu is debian based but how close is it really? Does debina use the sudo?
[06:28] <ghost_> ubuntu*
[06:28] <vanberge> nige, i work for a bank... it is possible to recover formatted (once formatted) data SOMETIMES... but you would need a low level recovery tool, probably third party
[06:28] <intelikey> say monte
[06:28] <ghost_> but enywase i would like to compile from source
[06:28] <monte> Problems with Sound Card: Intel 82801 EB/ER (ICH5/ICH59) AC'97 AUDIO
[06:28] <makyron> thanks
[06:28] <vanberge> i say that because our data has to be zeroed out 3 times
[06:28] <cafuego> ghost_: Any reason?
[06:28] <vu> neiras, Then in that case you saved me a lot of googling thanx
[06:28] <dabaR> ghost_: go ahead.
[06:28] <tommy2> I'm having an issue connecting to servers, but that is the least of my worries. I have a tar.gz file I want to install. It's Borland Jbuilder. How do I do that? Is a tar.gz file like a zip file?
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> gz = gzip
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> its a compressed , tar file.
[06:29] <nige> ta vanberge
[06:29] <intelikey> monte did you run "alsamixer "  and use M to unmute it ?
[06:29] <neiras> vu - keep in mind, if you are reading anything about YaBoot, you are reading a tutorial for newworld macs
[06:29] <ghost_> but has anyone uses vmware on ubuntu
[06:29] <cafuego> tommy2: start by running 'tar tfz filename.tar.gz', to see what's in it.
[06:29] <vu> neiras, Got that
[06:30] <neiras> vu - lots of good info here: http://www.us.debian.org/ports/powerpc/
[06:30] <cafuego> tommy2: If its contents are in a subdirectoryk, run 'tar xfz filename.tar.gz' to extract 'em.
[06:30] <monte> intelikey
[06:30] <monte> intelikey: thanks
[06:30] <neiras> vu - good luck to you, oopenfirmware is a hassle
[06:30] <monte> intelikey: how to save alsamixer unmuted
[06:30] <tommy2> from the terminal, right cafuego? sorry im new
[06:30] <vanberge> nige, hold on a sec...
[06:30] <cafuego> tommy2: yes
[06:30] <ghost_> k il figure out myself
[06:31] <cafuego> tommy2: Of you vould just double-click the file and use file-roller.
[06:31] <vu> neiras, Sure, thanx again.
[06:31] <intelikey> monte np, it should save when you exit.
[06:31] <monte> intelikey: audio still not available.  do I have to reboot
[06:31] <tommy2> Ok, so I double clicked on it. And inside are a bunch of folders I need to extract?
[06:31] <tommy2> Where do I extract them to?
[06:32] <monte> tommy2: it is always safe to extract to /dev/null
[06:32] <vanberge> lol
[06:32] <intelikey> monte no make sure you unmuted all that needs to be unmuted.   they were all 'mm'
[06:32] <monte> intelikey: all unmuted, still no sound.  do I have to reboot?
[06:32] <intelikey> no
[06:32] <tommy2> can I create a folder, called like extracted files? or are you not allowed to create folders in ubuntu or linux?
[06:33] <monte> intelikey: speakers are plugged in and turned on.  volumes are set.  sound card is enabled.
[06:33] <Xenguy> tommy2: you can use /tmp for that kind of thing
[06:33] <brownie17> i want a new computer, who will give me theirs?
[06:33] <brownie17> :)
[06:33] <toxicle> hi guys
[06:33] <toxicle> i have a question about pine
[06:33] <intelikey> monte where are you trying to get sould from ?
[06:33] <themot> my new one is 450mhz...want that one
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> tommy2,  of course you can create folders. and files...
[06:33] <monte> brownie: order pre-installed ubuntu from Open Sense Solutions
[06:33] <intelikey> errr sound
[06:33] <toxicle> it's not available when i apt-get install pine
[06:33] <monte> intelikey: anywhere.  no sounds work
[06:33] <c0rrup7> monte, it shows me muted, too, but sound works somehow
[06:33] <Xenguy> toxicle: Pine is non-free; try apt-get nano instead
[06:34] <shawnz> nano comes with ubuntu does it not.
[06:34] <vanberge> toxicle, why do you want pine??  :-)
[06:34] <Xenguy> toxicle: er, apt-get install nano
[06:34] <c0rrup7> btw, regarding the nvidia drivers ... i installed 5.10 from http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=63684 two hours ago, and the repository shows 7667 as an available package
[06:34] <neiras> Pine is a mail reader. Nano is an editor
[06:34] <monte> shawnz: whereis nano
[06:34] <tommy2> How do I do that? I'm sorry I'm so bad with this. When I open the "file system" i cant create folders
[06:34] <intelikey> that sounds like using OSS in place of alsa
[06:34] <Madpilot> Xenguy: nano is in by default, AFAIK
[06:34] <Xenguy> toxicle: ignore what I said
[06:34] <brownie17> monte: really? that's cool. so all the hardware they give you would have linux drivers? NICE
[06:34] <toxicle> yes i want to use pine as mail reader
[06:34] <brownie17> monte, good man
[06:34] <vanberge> neiras, pine also installs pico... they might be gettin gmixed up.
[06:34] <c0rrup7> nano = pico = included
[06:34] <neiras> vanberge, probably.
[06:34] <toxicle> nono i use vi
[06:34] <tommy2> When I try to extract to the /tmp directory it says I dont have the rights?
[06:34] <monte> brownie17: also see EmperorLinux for laptops
[06:34] <toxicle> i wanna use pine for mail
[06:35] <Xenguy> toxicle: I'm wrong (nano is the editor; pine is the mail prog :-)
[06:35] <Madpilot> tommy2: your own files should go in /<user> - "file system" is owned by root
[06:35] <shawnz> tommy2, because when you are in a user, all you have access to is '/tmp', and '/home/<username>'
[06:35] <cafuego> toxicle: You'll need to compile pine from source, then.
[06:35] <monte> brownie17: also see LinuxCertified for 64bit amd laptop with ubuntu preinstalled
[06:35] <toxicle> is there anythning else similiar?
[06:35] <toxicle> which ubuntu supports?
[06:35] <Xenguy> toxicle: anyway, an alternative mail client is mutt (if you like pine)
[06:35] <brownie17> monte: you jknow your stuff!
[06:35] <cafuego> toxicle: the pine license forbids distribution of modified binary versions.
[06:35] <toxicle> mutt
[06:35] <cafuego> toxicle: Depends, you could try 'mutt' or 'elm'.
[06:35] <monte> brownie: except for my integrated Intel 82801 AC'97 sound card
[06:35] <brownie17> where can i get a guide for using ALSA instea of ESD?
[06:35] <c0rrup7> any1 know if its safe to use the 7667 nvidia driver with 5.10 as it shows up in the repository ?
[06:36] <toxicle> which is better?
[06:36] <cafuego> toxicle: But keep in mind that "Pine Is Not Elm"
[06:36] <Xenguy> toxicle: elm is older; mutt is newer
[06:36] <cafuego> toxicle: I'd guess the one you prefer would be better.
[06:36] <tommy2> so the /tmp folder under the "file system" can i extract files to that?
[06:36] <toxicle> ok i'll try both
[06:36] <toxicle> :)
[06:36] <nalioth> cafuego: is the difference in taste?
[06:36] <toxicle> thanks
[06:36] <brownie17> monte: i have that same problem, cannot get a driver for it. i mean it works, but it sounds fairly crap
[06:36] <shawnz> tommy2: yes. every user can store and modify their own stuff in there
[06:36] <cafuego> c0rrup7: works fine here, but reputed to not work on Geforce 4 cards.
[06:36] <cevizoglu> cafuego: hm... I remember using pine 11 years ago
[06:36] <shawnz> but you cant change other users' stuff if they put it there
[06:36] <vanberge> tommy2, if you are instalilng something... typically i just extract them to my /home dir, then install them, then delete the extracted directory
[06:37] <Xenguy> tommy2: what are you trying to do (what are you extracting) ?
[06:37] <shawnz> indeed
[06:37] <c0rrup7> hmm ok should be fine with my 5600 fx
[06:37] <brownie17> monte: oh well, you can get a good sound card these days for $20 bucks, so no real worries
[06:37] <shawnz> under Home, you should see your username
[06:37] <shawnz> thats your home folder
[06:37] <cafuego> my 5700 is fine
[06:37] <shawnz> you own it
[06:37] <shawnz> and can do anything to it
[06:37] <cevizoglu> that would make elm at least 12 years old
[06:37] <tommy2> Im trying to install Jbuilder. I managed to extract it to the /tmp directory. :D
[06:37] <c0rrup7> cafuego, still anything to edit ? or just install and set ?
[06:37] <cafuego> cevizoglu: I think you'll find it's older.
[06:37] <Xenguy> toxicle: try to google a decent ~/.muttrc file -- that will make things much simpler :-)
[06:37] <cevizoglu> cafuego: I said at least
[06:38] <cafuego> cevizoglu: Just install, build 7667 kernel module, and go.
[06:38] <Xenguy> toxicle: (I might have one up my sleeve if you need it)
[06:38] <cafuego> cevizoglu: I said  I think you'll find it's older.
[06:38] <cevizoglu> cafuego: uh, why?
[06:38] <c0rrup7> ok i'll try it, thx cafuego
[06:38] <cevizoglu> cafuego: at least 11 years old means  it's > 11 years, which is the same thing as what you said
[06:39] <cafuego> cevizoglu: No, at least means >=
[06:39] <brownie17> who knows a guide for enabling ALSA instead of ESD?
[06:39] <shawnz> um
[06:39] <cevizoglu> cafuego: again, same thing
[06:39] <vu> Ubuntu beat kubuntu on googlefight ;-)
[06:39] <shawnz> alsa is on by default
[06:39] <shawnz> isnt it.
[06:39] <cafuego> cevizoglu: No, >= does not mean the same as >
[06:39] <shawnz> of course vu
[06:39] <Xenguy> tommy2: OK.  For future reference, if you want to compile software (instead of installing from package/deb, then /usr/local/src is the traditional location for that
[06:39] <brownie17> vu: what is googlefight?
[06:39] <shawnz> brownie17: fight based on how many google results two names have
[06:39] <brownie17> shawnz, no i don't think it is. in fact i'm nearly sure it isn't. there is something you have to do to it. i remember
[06:39] <tritium> even better, use checkinstall
[06:40] <vu> http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Ubuntu&word2=Kubuntu
[06:40] <monte> brownie17: whereis alsa
[06:40] <brownie17> shawnz, ok
[06:40] <cevizoglu> cafuego: when I say it's the same thing, I mean it doesn't make a stinking difference
[06:40] <brownie17> monte: pardon?
[06:40] <Xenguy> tommy2: yes, what tritium said (checkinstall is quite good)
[06:40] <monte> brownie: from root$ whereis alsa
[06:40] <cusco> !! marillat
[06:40] <ubotu> cusco: Are you smoking crack?
[06:40] <cafuego> cevizoglu: When you say something, I get a sudden urge to put you on ignore
[06:40] <tommy2> Thanks Xenguy and Tritium!
[06:40] <Xenguy> tommy2: yw
[06:40] <tritium> :)
[06:41] <lythia> how do I mount the second hdd I have?
[06:41] <cevizoglu> cafuego: feeling snippy, are we?
[06:41] <tommy2> Anybody know of any other Java Compilers for linux?
[06:41] <brownie17> cusco, you are smoking crack aren't you!
[06:41] <cafuego> tommy2: wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:41] <cafuego> tommy2: There's a link on that page, which explains how to package the jdk for Ubuntu.
[06:41] <Gobbla> how do I fix hardware acceleration on my ATI Radeon 9200 gfx card?
[06:42] <cafuego> !ati
[06:42] <ubotu> I guess ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10&highlight=fglrx
[06:42] <bur[n] er> !tell Gobbla about ati
[06:42] <bur[n] er> doh, beat me to it
[06:42] <Gobbla> i have ty..
[06:42] <intelikey> good night every body.    don't forget to checkout --> http://ts.silosoft.org   and God bless.
[06:42] <Vexir> lol
[06:42] <jojoman02> i have a problem mplayer is not showing up in synaptic (i've added the neccasary repositories)
[06:42] <cafuego> what's a god?
[06:42] <tommy2> Nice! Thank you! Ubuntu is unbelievable. This software is so well developed. And to be free?  :D
[06:45] <tommy2> Thanks for all the help guys. I can't wait to start coding! Goodnight all.
[06:45] <Vexir> monte: The world doesnt care most likeley.. you should be like, hello #ubuntu
[06:45] <tritium> per the Code of Conduct, let's not criticize the religious, just as we'd not criticize agnostic
[06:45] <monte> !Hello Vexir
[06:45] <ubotu> monte: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[06:46] <Vexir> !Hello monte
[06:46] <ubotu> Vexir: Are you smoking crack?
[06:46] <monte> brownie17: sound works upon reboot after unmuting alsamixer
[06:46] <cafuego> tritium: I'm not criticising, just prefer to not have the *g* word used at me.
[06:46] <Vexir> ubotu: Are you a bot?
[06:46] <ubotu> Vexir: Syntax error in line 1
[06:46] <Vexir> ubotu: Yes you are..
[06:46] <ubotu> Vexir: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[06:46] <Vexir> ubotu: So guess what.
[06:46] <ubotu> Vexir: Are you on ritalin?
[06:46] <tritium> cafuego, agreed, we don't want religion pushed on anybody either
[06:46] <nalioth> tritium: i believe you mean to say "let's leave peoples choice of religion out of the channel"
[06:46] <Vexir> ubotu: lmao <3
[06:46] <ubotu> Vexir: Syntax error in line 1
[06:46] <Madpilot> !tell Vexir about ubotu
[06:46] <Vexir> I know its a bot
[06:46] <Vexir> its a great bot though haha
[06:46] <tritium> nalioth, equal treatment, mostly
[06:46] <thoreauputic> !botabuse
[06:46] <ubotu> You can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned.
[06:47] <Vexir> isnt ritalin LSD... or am i confused
[06:47] <Xenguy> Vexir: not the same
[06:47] <Vexir> thoreauputic: Sick bastard..
[06:47] <nemik> hehe that would certainly make children more entertaining
[06:47] <Vexir> lol
[06:47] <Xenguy> :)
[06:47] <Vexir> ew
[06:47] <regeya> ritalin is an upper
[06:47] <Vexir> sadists
[06:47] <Vexir> lol
[06:47] <regeya> not a hallucigen
[06:47] <someguy> this is my first time in IRC can someone help me find the animechannelX chat from winmx
[06:47] <someguy> ?
[06:47] <Vexir> someguy: google?
[06:47] <kevogod> lol
[06:47] <regeya> LSD was used iirc on schizos...very interesting.
[06:47] <Vexir> regeya: ?
[06:47] <nalioth> someguy: i think you are a little lost
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> winmx ?
[06:47] <kevogod> someguy, You sure are lost aren't you.
[06:48] <nemik> isnt prozac mushrooms... or am i confused ;)
[06:48] <someguy> yes very
[06:48] <Vexir> lmfao
[06:48] <regeya> Vexir:
[06:48] <Vexir> regeya:
[06:48] <regeya> Vexir:
[06:48] <Xenguy> regeya: a lot of weird experiments were conducted by (you guessed it) the Amerikan gov't
[06:48] <someguy> i just went to the server of my OS
[06:48] <Xenguy> way back when
[06:48] <Vexir> redtech:
[06:48] <Vexir> whoopsie.
[06:48] <Vexir> regeya:
[06:48] <kevogod> someguy, You are using Ubuntu?
[06:48] <Vexir> there yago.
[06:48] <someguy> yes
[06:48] <regeya> ve're all living in Amerika, Amerika, ist wunderbar
[06:48] <brownie17> how do i enable ASLA, anyone?
[06:48] <Vexir> kevogod: No he's not, don't listen to him, he's lying!
[06:48] <Xenguy> regeya: yah voll
[06:49] <regeya> rofflecopters
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> someguy,  http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/irctutorial.html
[06:49] <brownie17> regeya, ich spreche kleine deutsch
[06:49] <someguy> yes I am i'm new to linux i'll admit but i am using it
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> Snell!
[06:49] <regeya> MEIN FUHRER!   I CAN WALK!!!
[06:49] <Vexir> regeya: Wunderbar... thats such a cool word, what language is that
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> Struddle!
[06:49] <kevogod> well, let's see what ctcp version says
[06:49] <Xenguy> hehe
[06:49] <brownie17> regeya, heil phuror!
[06:49] <noirequus> regeya: CoC
[06:49] <Vexir> someguy: Its okay I'm new too ^_^
[06:49] <regeya> Vexir, it was supposed to be german but meh
[06:49] <Vexir> lol
[06:49] <Sashi> hey
[06:49] <Sashi> if i did a default installation
[06:50] <brownie17> noirequus, do you know how to enable alsa?
[06:50] <Sashi> does it come with a firewall?
[06:50] <Vexir> Madpilot: #ubuntu-offtopic is for squares...
[06:50] <Sashi> like ip6?
[06:50] <Sashi> or something?
[06:50] <thoreauputic> guys, #ubuntu-offtopic as Madpilot says
[06:50] <regeya> noirequus, Corrosion of Conformity...?
[06:50] <noirequus> brownie17: no
[06:50] <regeya> sorry thoreauputic
[06:50] <brownie17> noirequus, do you know how i might find a guide to do it?
[06:50] <Vexir> thoreauputic: Oh fine.. jeesus. :-p Mabye I'll get a few good quotes for bash.org ;)
[06:51] <regeya> jesus is out picking apples...
[06:51] <Sashi> ?
[06:51] <Sashi> so?
[06:51] <brownie17> doies anyone know if openoffice 2 will automatically be in breezy?
[06:51] <nemik> sashi, i'm not sure, although you could easily apt-get one or get it with symaptic
[06:51] <Sashi> ok
[06:51] <Sashi> cuz i gott aconfigure it
[06:51] <brownie17> madpilot: pm?
[06:52] <Madpilot> brownie17: go ahead - and thanks for asking first
[06:52] <nemik> hmmm i always just use my router's hardware one, but it shouldn't be too bad setting one up on the machine
[06:53] <brownie17> sashi: firestarter
[06:53] <nemik> oh wow, great name!
[06:55] <vern401> can someone here walk me through installing my ralink wireless card I have tried but am new
[06:55] <Xenguy> Sashi: shorewall
[06:56] <Gobbla> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 8500 Prototype DDR Pentium 4 (SSE2) (FireGL) (GNU_ICD)
[06:56] <Sashi> okie...
[06:56] <Sashi> lol
[06:56] <Gobbla> why does it say this when i have 9200?
[06:56] <Gobbla> :/
[06:56] <Sashi> whats the command
[06:56] <Sashi> to configuire
[06:56] <Vexir> Gobbla: Mabye you configured it wrong.....
[06:56] <Gobbla> fglrxinfo
[06:56] <zyth> man Windows CE is weird to irc from...
[06:57] <Gobbla> i followed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[06:57] <pprince_> Where is saslauthd?
[06:57] <pprince_> I do need it to auth courier-imap against mysql, right?
[06:57] <vern401> for me linux is a whole new world
[06:57] <cafuego> !find saslauthd
[06:57] <h17m4n> did anyone try Enlightenment???
[06:58] <cafuego> pprince_: No, courier uses its own auth daemon. sasl is for postfix.
[06:58] <nalioth> h17m4n: enlightenment is deliciously different
[06:58] <Vexir> #ubuntu-offtopic > #ubuntu...
[06:58] <cafuego> courier uses authdaemond.mysql for mysql auth.
[06:58] <h17m4n> I hope it's easy to install
[06:58] <Gobbla> Section "Device"
[06:58] <Gobbla> 	Identifier	"ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9200 (RV280)"
[06:58] <Gobbla> 	Driver		"fglrx"
[06:58] <Gobbla> 	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
[06:58] <vern401> no i have tried mandrake in the past and this is different from that too
[06:59] <pprince_> cafuego: oh.  I thought postfix spoke to mysql directly?
[06:59] <h17m4n> no pasting here
[06:59] <nalioth> Gobbla: please dont paste in here, use #flood or a pastebin
[06:59] <h17m4n> !pasting
[06:59] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, h17m4n
[06:59] <h17m4n> !paste
[06:59] <ubotu> paste is, like, totally, please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[06:59] <Vexir> valleygirl bot..
[06:59] <Vexir> ohman.. lmao
[06:59] <cafuego> pprince_: For mail/domain/alias lookups yes, not for smtp auth purposes
[06:59] <pprince_> ah, k.
[06:59] <Gobbla> large amount.. heh..
[06:59] <cafuego> pprince_: saslauthd is in 'sasl2-bin' (universe)
[06:59] <Sashi> so how to configure the firewall?
[06:59] <pprince_> cafuego: thank you.
[07:00] <h17m4n> 2 lines + = large amount
[07:00] <cafuego> pprince_: You following the ispmail-sarge docs?
[07:00] <Xenguy> Sashi: *what* firewall?
[07:00] <pprince_> cafuego: no, but please please please give me a link.
[07:00] <h17m4n> what fps do you get on glxgears Gobbla?
[07:00] <cafuego> pprince_: just a se
[07:00] <Sashi> the default firewalla that was installed
[07:00] <pprince_> cafuego: I'm following gentoo docs I've used a lot, and it's a pita.
[07:00] <cafuego> pprince_: 8shudder* no!
[07:00] <Gobbla> 774
[07:00] <Xenguy> Sashi: AFAIK there is no *default* firewall
[07:00] <monte> Hello World
[07:00] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:00] <h17m4n> cool
[07:00] <cafuego> pprince_: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/
[07:01] <Sashi> ok so theres no firewall installed with ubuntu?
[07:01] <pprince_> Sashi: There is no default firewall because none is needed by default:  ubuntu is installed with no open ports.
[07:01] <cafuego> pprince_: It's debian sarge, but the package names and config in ubuntu are identical.
[07:01] <h17m4n> no
[07:01] <monte> Sashi: google shorewall
[07:01] <Vexir> ohman.. lmao
[07:01] <Vexir> #ubuntu-offtopic > #ubuntu...
[07:01] <Xenguy> Sashi: not by default (there are no services running by default, so there is no need)
[07:01] <h17m4n> you could install Firestarter
[07:01] <Sashi> ok thanks
[07:01] <Sashi> i dont want no firewall
[07:01] <monte> Question: is there streaming audio like shoutcast and winamp?
[07:01] <shawnz> vlc/vls.
[07:02] <pprince_> Sashi: Also, the Linux kernel (along with some command line utilities) are all you need for a firewall.  the various firewall packages you can install are easier to use front ends.
[07:02] <Gobbla> h17m4n: 1910..
[07:02] <pprince_> cafuego: can you find a link easily, or you want me to google?
[07:02] <deFrysk> monte, yes
[07:02] <cafuego> pprince_: I pasted it
[07:02] <cafuego> pprince_: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/
[07:02] <pprince_> oh, sorry.
[07:02] <monte> deFrysk: I have xmms, where are the streaming sites
[07:02] <Gobbla> i think, well it changes..
[07:02] <da_bon_bon> az[a] zel: why not wait for sometime, and use breezy ?
[07:02] <da_bon_bon> or use the preview now?
[07:02] <deFrysk> shoutcast.com
[07:02] <h17m4n> Question: I'll be moving down from AMD64 to a 32 bit distro(noob). Here: Ubuntu 32 bit or SUSE?
[07:02] <shawnz> not shoutcast.
[07:03] <shawnz> icecast or VLS.
[07:03] <shawnz> or vlc.
[07:03] <pprince_> cafuego: nice doc, lifesaver, thx.
[07:03] <monte> deFrysk: shoutcast uses windows media which I can't open
[07:03] <monte> shawnz: where is icecast vls or vlc please
[07:03] <shawnz> apt.\
[07:03] <deFrysk> monte, sice when ?
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> Ive used shoutcast.com  and xmms I think
[07:03] <pprince_> cafuego: did you used to be in #/. on slashnet?
[07:03] <monte> How to force shoutcast link to open in xmms ?
[07:04] <h17m4n> Gobbla: Nice, what cpu? I get 2100 with a Radeon 9600 on a Athlon 64 3200+.
[07:04] <cafuego> pprince_: If you want serverside mail filtering, you'll need to chage the maildrop line in postfix as well.
[07:04] <da_bon_bon> breezy has a package for FF 1.5 beta ?
[07:04] <deFrysk> monte, add mp3 support to your ubuntu
[07:04] <monte> deFrys
[07:04] <monte> deFrysk: how to add mp3 support....
[07:04] <thoreauputic> monte: install streamtuner (nice app for shoutcast)
[07:04] <deFrysk> !mp3
[07:04] <ubotu> well, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[07:04] <jojoman02> question: how do you edit the gnome menu? (applications menu)
[07:04] <Gobbla> p4 3ghz
[07:04] <da_bon_bon> !ubuntuguide
[07:04] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is probably a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned.
[07:04] <Gobbla> h17m4n:
[07:05] <cafuego> pprince_: I did indeed
[07:05] <h17m4n> ?
[07:05] <Gobbla> i got results from 704-1910..
[07:05] <gigaclon> what is the easiest way to downgrade firefox to the official Hoary ver?
[07:05] <pprince_> cafuego: aha!  I am tech/tweakism/tweak/teatime !
[07:05] <cafuego> :-)
[07:05] <da_bon_bon> gigaclon: apt-get remove mozilla-firefox
[07:05] <pprince_> cafuego: I would have asked you sooner, but I thought I did once and you said no :P
[07:05] <da_bon_bon> gigaclon: then update and then again install mozilla-firefox
[07:06] <vern401> what do i use to put the software in for my ralink wifi card
[07:07] <h17m4n> did you resize the window? because when you do, the fps goes up so it's a cheat... You have to leave it at the original size and let it run for like 30 secs without using the pc... that will give you a maximum which should be reported more than twice
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> hey .. when i try to upgrade breezy to hoary , it tries to install alll gcc's --- 3.3 , 3.4 ,  4.0
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> thats too much!
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> i dont need so many gcc's
[07:07] <Gobbla> h17m4n: no i didnt
[07:07] <Gobbla> didnt touch a thing
[07:07] <konedima> hey i'm sorry if i'm interrupting anything but i was wondering if anybody could help me get my d-link dwl-g520+ wireless card working
[07:07] <h17m4n> ohh
[07:07] <c0rrup7> breezy uses gcc-4.01
[07:08] <c0rrup7> at least the latest one
[07:08] <h17m4n> Gobbla: cool... what cpu?
[07:08] <Gobbla> got 1908-1910 almost all the time
[07:08] <Gobbla> p4 3ghz
[07:08] <pprince_> cafuego: one last question.  I want to have no local mail delivery.  [how]  can I do that easily?
[07:08] <da_bon_bon> c0rrup7: you use breezy /?
[07:09] <c0rrup7> yes
[07:09] <Gobbla> h17m4n: but when i try to play enemy territory it lags like SHIT
[07:09] <c0rrup7> pprince_,  No local delivery on a mailhost ?
[07:09] <Gobbla> i frame every 10 seconds or something
[07:09] <Gobbla> dunno whats wrong..
[07:09] <c0rrup7> do u think thats a good idea ?
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> c0rrup7: hoary to breezy or from the preview cd ?
[07:09] <vern401> I dont use a local mail I use yahoo only
[07:09] <pprince_> c0rrup7: well, local delivery for virtual domains, but no delivery to system accounts.  root/postmaster/etc will be aliases.
[07:10] <c0rrup7> preview cd, da_bon_bon , from http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=63684
[07:10] <h17m4n> Gobbla: Which ati drivers are you using? the xorg-driver-fglrx or the latest one from ATI's page?
[07:10] <pprince_> I'll worry about that later, though.
[07:10] <c0rrup7> ah yes, root/postmaster etc. ARE aliases usually
[07:10] <da_bon_bon> c0rrup7: why didnt you dist-upgrade from hoary ?
[07:10] <Gobbla> h17m4n:  xorg
[07:10] <c0rrup7> because hoary was buggy for me, da_bon_bon
[07:10] <Gobbla> !ati
[07:10] <ubotu> [ati]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10&highlight=fglrx
[07:10] <konedima> hey i'm sorry if i'm interrupting anything but i was wondering if anybody could help me get my d-link dwl-g520+ wireless card working
[07:11] <h17m4n> I was lagging on UT2004 demo, but it got fixed when I updated the driver.... and I also got a 700 fps increase in glxgears
[07:11] <Gobbla> the ati driver?
[07:11] <h17m4n> yeah
[07:11] <h17m4n> it was kinda of hard to install
[07:11] <da_bon_bon> c0rrup7: define "buggy" ?
[07:11] <da_bon_bon> c0rrup7: breezy upgrade is trying to remove my firefox
[07:11] <h17m4n> I had to alien rpm in order to install it, and do some other stuff
[07:12] <Gobbla> ok... but it should work with xorg, dont u think?
[07:12] <c0rrup7> well, nvidia raid sound ... dunno to be true, i just had many errors and couldn't get them sorted out
[07:12] <Gobbla> must be the hardware acceleration that is the problem?
[07:12] <h17m4n> no
[07:12] <c0rrup7> so i thought i try 5.10, and bam, it works...
[07:12] <da_bon_bon> c0rrup7: what would you suggest for me ? get the cd, or try to upgrade ?
[07:12] <h17m4n> the xorg one
[07:12] <pprince_> cafuego: so, do you remember me?
[07:12] <h17m4n> uses a 8.8.something ati driver
[07:12] <ceal105> hello... is there any differences between ubuntu and kubuntu besides kde of course?
[07:13] <c0rrup7> da_bon_bon, i dont know, if you upgrade make a backup ... :P
[07:13] <h17m4n> the latest one is 8.16.20 or something
[07:13] <nalioth> ceal105: none
[07:13] <da_bon_bon> c0rrup7: hmm.. i am confused
[07:13] <h17m4n> so that driver is like a year old
[07:13] <da_bon_bon> why would apt "hold back" certain packages ?
[07:13] <da_bon_bon> any idea?
[07:14] <da_bon_bon> hoary to breezy is holding back "gnucash gnucash-common mplayer-386 xine-ui"
[07:14] <cafuego> pprince_: The memory is going ... old people ...
[07:14] <az[a] zel> hmm crap
[07:14] <pprince_> heh
[07:14] <konedima> hi will someone answer my question if possible
[07:14] <az[a] zel> i just installed hoary, and it wont boot the operating system
[07:14] <Gobbla> h17m4n: okay
[07:14] <az[a] zel> bios says "Error loading operating system"
[07:14] <pprince_> cafuego: don't remember teatime.  should be ashamed :P
[07:14] <c0rrup7> i'll look up the repositories in my install, gimme a sec da_
[07:14] <c0rrup7> da_bon_bon,
[07:14] <cafuego> pprince_: But 'teatime' does seem familiar.
[07:14] <da_bon_bon> cafuego: you on breezy ?
[07:14] <Gobbla> i use 8.8.25
[07:14] <da_bon_bon> ok, C0
[07:14] <Gobbla> :S
[07:15] <ColonelKernel> az[a] zel, is this some kinda proprietary system, like a dell or a compaq
[07:15] <cafuego> da_bon_bon: What of it!
[07:15] <da_bon_bon> cafuego: hmm.. irritated ?!
[07:15] <cafuego> da_bon_bon: No, just not planning on helping people wreck their systems until AFTER breezy is released.
[07:15] <da_bon_bon> cafuego: hm.. no, i wanted to ask, what version of firefox does breezy have ?
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> cafuego: and, why during upgrade, is breezy trying to install gcc 3.3 and 3.4 and 4.0 ?
[07:16] <cafuego> 1.0.6-1ubuntu11
[07:16] <ColonelKernel> when is breezy released?
[07:16] <chavo> da_bon_bon, 1.06
[07:16] <cafuego> ColonelKernel: october 13.
[07:16] <kevogod> October Xth
[07:16] <SymGeosis> ColonelKernel, October.
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> ColonelKernel: /topic
[07:16] <ColonelKernel> nice
[07:16] <caonex> what does this person mean by this: Next I learn the clock is running double time. What does it mean for the clock to run doulbe time?
[07:16] <ColonelKernel> da_bon_bon, thank you!
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> ColonelKernel: lol
[07:16] <chavo> ColonelKernel, 10-13
[07:16] <chavo> oh
[07:16] <kevogod> ColonelKernel, love the name
[07:16] <cafuego> da_bon_bon: See also '/msg ubotu info firefox breezy'
[07:16] <c0rrup7> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2057 da_bon_bon
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> cafuego: thanks :)
[07:17] <cvt> how can i contact someone in google talk?
[07:17] <bur[n] er> cvt: gaim?
[07:17] <cvt> i don't know how to use gaim very well
[07:17] <kevogod> cvt<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:17] <konedima> can someone help me with my problem?
[07:17] <cvt> but it keeps closing on me...
[07:17] <kevogod> cvt: Use Jabber
[07:17] <bur[n] er> konedima: what's yer problem
[07:17] <cvt> ...i'll try that.
[07:17] <az[a] zel> does ubuntu have any known problems being installed on SATA drives?
[07:17] <kevogod> cvt: for the protocol
[07:17] <SymGeosis> cvt, google talk has a walkthru on how to do that. ;-)
[07:17] <netdur> do anyone have idea how to fix this? "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"
[07:17] <konedima> i'm trying to get my d-link dwl-g520+ working
[07:17] <cvt> SymGeosis, thx
[07:18] <Madpilot> az[a] zel: not for me, I'm on a SATA right now...
[07:18] <az[a] zel> I have an PATA drive (120GB) and a SATA drive (200GB).. winXP is on the PATA drive, and im trying to install ubuntu on the sata drive
[07:18] <konedima> as it is i'm in windows seeing as i can't connect to the wireless network in linux
[07:18] <thoreauputic> netdur: install build-essential
[07:18] <smott> hmm what's that meta-package that installs gcc, autotools and related things so i can build things?
[07:18] <az[a] zel> and everything goes fine. but, grub doesn't work. when I reboot after install, it says "Error loading operating system"
[07:18] <h17m4n> Gobbla: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57743&highlight=ati
[07:18] <SymGeosis> cvt, specifically http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?answer=24073
[07:18] <thoreauputic> smott: see above
[07:19] <smott> thoreauputic: haha, sorry. didn't see that
[07:19] <Madpilot> !tell az[a] zel about dualboot
[07:19] <netdur> thoreauputic, thanks... it is on cd?
[07:20] <thoreauputic> netdur: I think so - try it
[07:20] <SymGeosis> It is.
[07:20] <netdur> :)
[07:20] <thoreauputic> sudoa pr-get install build-essential
[07:20] <thoreauputic> bah
[07:20] <cafuego> konedima: yeah, that card requires windows drivers under Linux, running in ndiswrapper. Or the acx100 drivers, which still require the Windows firmware files.
[07:20] <thoreauputic> typo city
[07:20] <netdur> thank you
[07:20] <Sashi> hmm
[07:20] <Sashi> hey guys
[07:21] <Sashi> how do i put in a proxy
[07:21] <cafuego> Unless the 520+ is an acx111, in which case you may as well give up.
[07:21] <nalioth> thoreauputic: is that city near the town of dyslexia?
[07:21] <cvt> i think i was born to use linux.  i can tell ms has been trying to hide linux from me for years
[07:21] <cvt> with their market penetration
[07:21] <thoreauputic> nalioth: yes, deifnlty ;)
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> "Market INFESTATION"
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:21] <cvt> i was destined to be a linux professional
[07:21] <cafuego> ooh, more thunderstorms
[07:21] <da_bon_bon> hey . .anyone can help me understand why apt "holds back" certain packages ?
[07:22] <SymGeosis> da_bon_bon, Eh?
[07:22] <cafuego> da_bon_bon: aot holds back apckages when dependencies cannot be resolved.
[07:22] <konedima> uhhh its an acx111
[07:22] <cafuego> da_bon_bon: They can SOEMTIMES be fixed by using 'dist-upgrade' instead of 'upgrade'.
[07:22] <cafuego> konedima: Just give up.
[07:22] <da_bon_bon> cafuego: but it is holding back xine-ui and mplayer .. i had installed them from backports i think
[07:22] <az[a] zel> Madpilot: doesn't help :/ I told ubuntu to take up the entire drive (the SATA one). it's grub that is failing
[07:22] <da_bon_bon> cafuego: i am trying to dist-upgrade to breezy
[07:22] <nalioth> da_bon_bon: is it breezy that you're working with?
[07:23] <az[a] zel> Madpilot: i did a fixmbr in the windows recovery console, so XP is booting again...
[07:23] <konedima> and wait for what.... some better drivers to come out?
[07:23] <cafuego> da_bon_bon: Now you know why backports are bad ;-)
[07:23] <nalioth> da_bon_bon: you will wait then, they will install eventually
[07:23] <cafuego> konedima: I doubt there will ever be drivers. A better bet would be getting a supported card.
[07:23] <da_bon_bon> cafuego: yep.. but how do i resolve it, now ? :(
[07:23] <Sashi> so how do i configure proxy?
[07:24] <cafuego> konedima: I asked Netgear about a related card (same chipset) and was told to get lost.
[07:24] <nalioth> da_bon_bon: if you attempt to resolve them NOW, you may bodger your box badly
[07:24] <Xenguy> Sashi: details
[07:24] <cafuego> da_bon_bon: You keep them on hold and are glad that apt is clever.
[07:24] <konedima> well i'm sure the big companies will never care about linux
[07:24] <Sashi> in Downloader for X
[07:24] <cafuego> da_bon_bon: Because forcing an install WILL wreck it.
[07:24] <nalioth> sweet pears in a can, more freakin bots
[07:24] <Sashi> is there a thing to put in a proxy
[07:24] <Sashi> or even wget
[07:24] <Sashi> there a command to put proxy?
[07:24] <da_bon_bon> cafuego, nalioth: but cant i just remove mplayer and xine-ui , and install them again ? this using breezy repo, no backports ?
[07:24] <SymGeosis> As much as I hate to spam the main channel: shawnz PM!
[07:25] <Xenguy> konedima appears to be a moron
[07:25] <nalioth> da_bon_bon: no
[07:25] <Xenguy> er
[07:25] <monte> Hello World
[07:25] <Xenguy> .oO(konedima appears to be a moron)
[07:25] <monte> Sound Card Compability: Creative Labs SoundBlaster Live! 24-bit Sound Card ?
[07:25] <c0rrup7> brb
[07:25] <da_bon_bon> nalioth: ok.. but, if i am not irritating, can you please tell me why cant i do that ?
[07:25] <nalioth> da_bon_bon: because "backports" doesnt exist on breezy (yet)
[07:26] <nalioth> da_bon_bon: we are all waiting for those pkgs to come out
[07:26] <SymGeosis> da_bon_bon, backports is "backported" from breezy...
[07:26] <cafuego> nalioth: I'm not.
[07:26] <Xenguy> Sashi: if English is your first language, please try to be more specific/clear
[07:26] <nalioth> cafuego: you are 'different' now be quiet
[07:26] <da_bon_bon> nalioth: thats why, i want to remove mplayer and xine --- and install from archive.ubuntu.com -- dont they have mplayer and xine ?
[07:26] <cafuego> nalioth: the mplayer from multiverse works fine.
[07:26] <cvt> now, how do i get voice recognition on gaim/gtalk?
[07:26] <cvt> that link worked btw
[07:26] <cvt> tyvm
[07:27] <cvt> but is there a voice chat program for ubuntu?
[07:27] <nalioth> da_bon_bon: you ARE installing from archive.ubuntu.com
[07:27] <thoreauputic> cvt: gnome meeting does voice
[07:27] <Sashi> like i want to put a proxy
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> nalioth: yes .. but it is holding back .. so just remove, and reinstall from archive .. isnt that ok ? i am removing backports completely
[07:28] <Sashi> in so that i can download something that needs a proxy
[07:28] <cafuego> omg, it's Shaggy from scooby doo.
[07:28] <cvt> thoreauputic, can i connect to someone in gtalk with it?
[07:28] <Sashi> and btw wheres apache htdocs
[07:28] <thoreauputic> cvt: i doubt it
[07:28] <grimdeath> hello, can someone help me with my ati driver setup?
[07:28] <Cym> can anyone tell me what package is responsible for creating /dev/stdout ?
[07:28] <nalioth> da_bon_bon: you can try it, but you were warned about possible bodgering
[07:28] <SymGeosis> Sashi, /var/www
[07:28] <thoreauputic> cvt: don't know, frankly
[07:28] <Cym> if udev is involved
[07:28] <da_bon_bon> nalioth: i still dont understand .. i am just removing mplayer and xine-ui ...
[07:28] <nalioth> da_bon_bon: go for it
[07:29] <az[a] zel> ColonelKernel: no, it's a system I made myself. uses a Gigabyte K8T800 Pro motherboard. Standard stuff. Previously ran Mandrake 10.0 and Windows 2000 dual boot
[07:29] <da_bon_bon> nalioth: ok .. i will just remove them, upgrade completely to breezy .. and live without xine and mplayer :)
[07:29] <Sashi> ok one more question
[07:29] <Sashi> how to configure mysql
[07:30] <az[a] zel> ColonelKernel: I'm dreading even thinking about it, but I may have to reinstall XP onto the 200GB SATA, and install ubuntu with the boot loader on the 120GB PATA drive :/
[07:30] <SymGeosis> Sashi, I recommend mysql-admin
[07:30] <nalioth> da_bon_bon: only for a few more weeks
[07:30] <Xenguy> Sashi: basically, what is it you want to actually do?
[07:30] <SymGeosis> Sashi, you can get it from apt.
[07:30] <ColonelKernel> az[a] zel, thats ridiculous, it sounds like your boot sector didnt get installed right, thats all
[07:30] <da_bon_bon> nalioth: i dont mind :) infact, i will keep it the way it is .. after a few weeks it will install, right ?
[07:31] <ColonelKernel> if it says OS not foung thats the windows boot loader
[07:31] <nalioth> da_bon_bon: yes, when breezy finalizes, all should work correctly
[07:32] <cafuego> nalioth: All except, perhaps, backports stuff.
[07:32] <amazing> still a few bugs but this is really a nice distro
[07:32] <da_bon_bon> nalioth: ok. so i am keeping it the way it is. and one more, dist-upgrade is trying to install openoffice2 .. good, but how do i remove ooo1 ?
[07:32] <da_bon_bon> completely
[07:32] <SymGeosis> da_bon_bon, apt will do that for you.
[07:32] <SymGeosis> If it leaves any residue you can always go in behind it with "rm"
[07:32] <da_bon_bon> SymGeosis: no. it keeps both ooo1 and ooo2
[07:33] <tritium> SymGeosis, no
[07:33] <cafuego> OOo1 is much quicker then v2, so you'll probably want to keep it.
[07:33] <SymGeosis> tritium, that's an odd decision for them to make...
[07:33] <da_bon_bon> cafuego: i keep both 1 and 2 ?
[07:33] <tritium> SymGeosis, why?
[07:33] <SymGeosis> tritium, I would have expected them to use apt to upgrade 001 to 002...
[07:33] <twothirtyseven> I need some help installing a firefox plugin
[07:33] <SymGeosis> tritium, just like all of the other package updates.
[07:34] <tritium> SymGeosis, on a fresh breezy install, only openoffice.org2 is installed
[07:34] <No1Bri> hey, can sombody help me with a problem Im having... Im trying to install Ubuntu with an ATI x800pro graphics card, anyone know how to get it running with this card?
[07:34] <nalioth> da_bon_bon: if i were you, i'd leave the box alone and let it do what it likes
[07:34] <Sashi> shit
[07:34] <tritium> no thanks
[07:34] <Sashi> i did mysqladmin -u root password db_user_password do my sql
[07:34] <SymGeosis> tritium, I wasn't aware he did a fresh install. I thought he was upgrading.
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> nalioth: lol.. ok ..
[07:34] <Sashi> how to change???
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> SymGeosis: dont ..
[07:34] <tritium> SymGeosis, I'm not referring to his case
[07:34] <SymGeosis> da_bon_bon, yes?
[07:34] <twothirtyseven> how do you do a manuall intsall of the java sun runtime
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> tritium: on breezy ?
[07:35] <da_bon_bon> SymGeosis: it will update ooo1 and install ooo2
[07:35] <cafuego> da_bon_bon: Yep
[07:35] <tritium> da_bon_bon, yes
[07:35] <da_bon_bon> cafuego: ok
[07:35] <tritium> !tell twothirtyseven about java
[07:35] <da_bon_bon> tritium: fresh install or upgrade ?
[07:35] <thoreauputic> !tell twothirtyseven about java
[07:35] <tritium> da_bon_bon, fresh install will only install openoffice.org2
[07:35] <da_bon_bon> !tell da_bon_bon  about java
[07:35] <da_bon_bon> tritium: i am asking what did you do ?
[07:35] <twothirtyseven> fresh
[07:36] <No1Bri> !tell No1Bri about ATI
[07:36] <tritium> da_bon_bon, I've been testing breezy, so I've installed it many times
[07:36] <da_bon_bon> ok, tritium
[07:36] <az[a] zel> is it possible to install LILO as the boot loader during the installation ?
[07:36] <cafuego> az[a] zel: Yes.
[07:36] <da_bon_bon> tritium: anything i should be aware of, while upgrading ?
[07:36] <nalioth> da_bon_bon: you can save a lot of data by /msg uboto <factoid>
[07:37] <sashi> erm
[07:37] <sashi> if i did
[07:37] <sashi> mysqladmin -u root password db_user_password
[07:37] <sashi> whats my passsword?
[07:37] <tritium> da_bon_bon, if you want to remove all the old version 1 packages, just removing them like any other packages.  They're openoffice.org-*, rather than openoffice.org2-*
[07:37] <sashi> cuz i wanna change it
[07:37] <sashi> acidently did that
[07:37] <da_bon_bon> nalioth: where factoid is ? and yes, i am troubling ubotu quite often
[07:37] <da_bon_bon> tritium: any thing else ? like, are there prompts ? i intend to do i over the night
[07:38] <tritium> da_bon_bon, prompts?  using what?
[07:38] <da_bon_bon> tritium: prompts while upgrading
[07:38] <da_bon_bon> using apt
[07:38] <tritium> da_bon_bon, are you upgrading to breezy?
[07:38] <da_bon_bon> tritium: yes.
[07:38] <SymGeosis> tritium, then I was correct. =P Fewsal.
[07:38] <tritium> I'd just recommend you use the -u switch then, if you want some feedback
[07:38] <sashi> erm?
[07:38] <sashi> anyone
[07:38] <tritium> SymGeosis, not about using rm, no
[07:39] <SymGeosis> tritium, yes, rm will remove files.
[07:39] <tritium> SymGeosis, that's not the proper way to remove them.
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> tritium: no .. i am thinking of -y --force-yes ... to get rid of prompts
[07:39] <SymGeosis> tritium, hence the statement "left over files"
[07:39] <tritium> da_bon_bon, not something I'd do, but if you want to
[07:40] <da_bon_bon> tritium: what would you do, if you want to  dist-uprade to breezy ?
[07:40] <tritium> SymGeosis, you should use the package management system to remove packages
[07:40] <SymGeosis> tritium, this is assuming something was removed via apt. (which doesn't always remove files even with a complete-removal.
[07:40] <tritium> SymGeosis, do you use the --purge option?
[07:40] <cvt> in two seconds will someone type my name to test this setting for me please
[07:40] <cvt> ?
[07:40] <SymGeosis> tritium, yes. Occasionally I have had a file or two left over.
[07:40] <sashi> so?
[07:40] <sashi> cmon
[07:40] <thoreauputic> cvt
[07:40] <tritium> da_bon_bon, I'd pay closer attention to what was happening, rather than just forcing yes
[07:40] <SymGeosis> tritium, due to 3rd party plugins etc.
[07:40] <gorilla> cvt, what for?
[07:40] <cvt> thx
[07:41] <tritium> SymGeosis, I'm skeptical of that
[07:41] <da_bon_bon> ok, tritium :)
[07:41] <cvt> i was testing to see that the tab button changes to a different color when my name is typed
[07:41] <cvt> it works thx
[07:41] <SymGeosis> tritium, as is your right. =)
[07:41] <tritium> :)
[07:41] <cvt> i'm using xchat
[07:41] <da_bon_bon> anyway .. cya all
[07:41] <tritium> good night, da_bon_bon
[07:41] <da_bon_bon> thanks tritium nalioth cafuego
[07:41] <cvt> it appears blue when someone types my name--that way i don't have to switch to the channel unless someone types my nick
[07:41] <da_bon_bon> tritium: er.. afternoon :)
[07:41] <SymGeosis> tritium, However, I present you with this question, what would I have to gain about lying in regards to such a trivial matter?
[07:41] <cvt> very helpful
[07:42] <da_bon_bon> cya all, then
[07:42] <sashi> erm
[07:42] <stjepan> hello
[07:42] <nalioth> tritium: is it enough for the whole room?
[07:43] <sashi> if i did he command mysqladmin -u root password db_user_password
[07:43] <sashi> what is my passowrd
[07:43] <cafuego> Eww, it's an adclick tarcker cookie.
[07:43] <tritium> sounds like a mysql question
[07:43] <stjepan> There is kernel config in boot folder. I use Ubuntu 5.04. Are my kernel config and your the same??
[07:43] <cafuego> sashi: Nothing if you didn't set anything.
[07:43] <tritium> cafuego, ;)
[07:44] <nalioth> thoreauputic: aint no miracle, was a texas cookie :P
[07:44] <sashi> but
[07:44] <sashi> it says access denied
[07:44] <thoreauputic> nalioth: a Longhorn cookie, maybe ;)
[07:44] <tritium> thoreauputic, heh
[07:44] <cafuego> sashi: mysqladmin -u root -p password db_user_password
[07:44] <nalioth> thoreauputic: we call em "bullcookies"
[07:45] <tritium> Longhorn cookie?    Your graduation rate will fall to 0%!
[07:45] <cafuego> prairie oysters?
[07:45] <sashi> erm
[07:45] <sashi> access denied
[07:45] <sashi> using password yes
[07:45] <cafuego> sashi: Then it is probably whatever you set it to.
[07:45] <sashi> i i ono what it is
[07:45] <sashi> can i uninstall then install again?
[07:45] <cafuego> sashi: it has no password by default.
[07:46] <sashi> but i did
[07:46] <sashi> mysqladmin -u root password db_user_password
[07:46] <sashi> accident
[07:46] <sashi> then pressed enter
[07:46] <ar> HI, anyone know much about firestarter, in particular how to run it with a router between me and the net??
[07:46] <tritium> sashi, yes, you can purge it
[07:46] <sashi> purge?
[07:46] <tritium> purging removes a package and its configuration files
[07:46] <sashi> its remove?
[07:46] <sashi> or purge?
[07:47] <esac_> bash question: any help on how to get the path to the script that is being executed would be appreciated. and if you feel like teaching me something, possibly an explanation of how it works ? :)
[07:47] <tritium> sashi, man apt-get for details
[07:47] <stjepan> please will anyone send me ubuntu's 5.04 default kernel config? (It is somewhere in /boot)
[07:47] <PzyCrow> esac_, could you clarify the problem?
[07:48] <thoreauputic> esac_: #bash might be a better place to ask (lots of bash gurus in there )
[07:48] <cafuego> stjepan: Why not reinstall it?
[07:48] <tritium> stjepan, do you not have ubuntu installed?
[07:48] <ar> HI, anyone know much about firestarter, in particular how to run it with a router between me and the net??
[07:48] <stjepan> tritium: no
[07:48] <stjepan> but I really need that kernel config
[07:48] <thoreauputic> ar: no need to repeat
[07:48] <stjepan> DEFAULT kernel config
[07:48] <ar> okay. sorry.
[07:48] <sashi> some support you guys are
[07:48] <cafuego> stjepan: Did you want to specify which kernel and which ubuntu revision? And what arch?
[07:49] <tritium> sashi, be nice please
[07:49] <sashi> ok lol
[07:49] <sashi> :P
[07:49] <cafuego> sashi: Feel free to ask elsewhere.
[07:49] <stjepan> cafuego: ubuntu 5.04's default kernel
[07:49] <cafuego> ... ?
[07:49] <tritium> sashi, if you want to purge a package, sudo apt-get remove --purge <packagename>
[07:50] <Webby`> HELP! I get the following error when trying to open synaptics
[07:50] <Webby`> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2058
[07:50] <Webby`> How do I get rid of it?
[07:50] <Webby`> I can't install or uninstall anything
[07:51] <az[a] zel> In the installation help screen for installing grub to a specific hdd/partition, are the device names there just examples, or are they accurate?
[07:51] <tritium> az[a] zel, if it's the help screen, they're examples
[07:51] <gorilla> Webby`, you probably need unviverse repository enabled..
[07:51] <candlelight> stjepan, the config-2.6.10-5-386?
[07:52] <Webby`> gorilla: How do I do that?
[07:52] <az[a] zel> tritium: it's the screen where it asks you what device you want to install to e.g (hd0,0)
[07:52] <bur[n] er> Webby`: xterm -e sudo apt-get -f install
[07:52] <ar> has anyone here configured their keyboard to be DVORAK?
[07:52] <az[a] zel> i might just install grub to floppy just to be safe... try to fix it once the system is running :/
[07:52] <gorilla> Webby`, becuase you are missing something out of your apt sources.
[07:53] <cafuego> stjepan: We're still waiting
[07:53] <cafuego> bur[n] er: an LP for computers
[07:53] <tritium> az[a] zel, I odn't recall
[07:53] <tritium> don't recall
[07:53] <Webby`> bur[n] er: That didn't work. It said authentication rejected
[07:53] <bur[n] er> authentication rejected?
[07:53] <bur[n] er> Webby`: when did it say that?
[07:53] <Webby`> Yes
[07:54] <Webby`> When I did xterm -e sudo apt-get -f install
[07:54] <thoreauputic> Webby`: sudo
[07:54] <bur[n] er> heh, i mean, did you see anything prior?
[07:54] <MrBear> hi
[07:54] <Shorty`> hey guys, where would I got for some help with the fglrx 'package' in ubuntu?
[07:54] <snausages> hi, is there a utility that will wipe my drive? not format it, but wipe it, so that i can donate my computer.
[07:54] <bur[n] er> !ati
[07:54] <ubotu> ati is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10&highlight=fglrx
[07:54] <bur[n] er> Shorty`: ^----
[07:54] <Shorty`> ah, thanks
[07:54] <Webby`> It says: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[07:54] <MrBear> is 5.10 a working version?
[07:54] <cafuego> snausages: boot from a cd, then run 'dd' onto the device a couple of times.
[07:55] <bur[n] er> sounds like b0rked sources.list file to me
[07:55] <cafuego> MrBear: Nearly.
[07:55] <gorilla> snausages, download dban...  (you'll need to google for it... it's apparently is DoD specs)
[07:55] <Webby`> bur[n] er: How do I fix that?
[07:55] <thoreauputic> Webby`: in a terminal, just run  sudo apt-get -f install  (and see what happens)
[07:55] <zorba64> MrBear: works fine here
[07:55] <snausages> cafuego, boot from the ubuntu cd?
[07:55] <bur[n] er> thoreauputic: that's what I had him do :P
[07:55] <MrBear> testing right now in virtual pc
[07:55] <stjepan> cafuego: What? I have Intel Celeron 1.7GHz
[07:55] <Webby`> thoreauputic: It says: E: The package netraverse-kernel-gcc needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[07:55] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: yeah but you left out the sudo :)
[07:55] <bur[n] er> thoreauputic: no i didn't
[07:56] <cafuego> stjepan: Just checking that my 2.6.10-5-powerpc would indeed not be useful.
[07:56] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: OK I missed it I guess, sorry :)
[07:56] <stjepan> cafuego: are yout and my kernel configs the same?
[07:56] <tritium> Webby`, which repository is that supposed to be in?
[07:56] <vern401> cool the new ubuntu allows me to use that wireless card I was looking for help with.
[07:56] <candlelight> snausages, fastest (not best) is dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/hda
[07:56] <cafuego> stjepan: No neither of my kernels can even run on your machine.
[07:56] <stjepan> ?
[07:56] <Webby`> tritium: I'm not sure
[07:56] <stjepan> cafuego: so may I use your kernel config?
[07:57] <stjepan> cafuego: did you ever change that kernel config?
[07:57] <snausages> i see.. i also think i have corrupted partitions on here... would that fix it?
[07:57] <cafuego> stjepan: It's for *powerpc*
[07:57] <cafuego> stjepan: Your CPU isn't even enabled in it.
[07:58] <candlelight> snausages, the previous command I gave, is destructiv, not fixing partition, cuz you said to wipe and donate your pc
[07:58] <stjepan> aha
[07:58] <stjepan> ok
[07:58] <stjepan> tnx
[07:58] <Webby`> How do I fix my repositories?
[07:58] <stjepan> cafuego: Is kernel config in ubuntu live too?
[07:58] <NO1Bri> !tell No1Bri ATI
[07:58] <cafuego> stjepan: You cna, of course, always fetch the linux-image from archive.ubuntu.com and grab the file that way,
[07:58] <thoreauputic> !tell Webby` about repos
[07:58] <stjepan> is kernel config in live?
[07:59] <cafuego> stjepan: Dunno, I'm not running the precompiled kernel at the moment.
[07:59] <Webby`> ty
[07:59] <NO1Bri> !tell NO1Bri ATI
[07:59] <thoreauputic> !tell NO1Bri about ati
[07:59] <snausages> candlelight, yes that's what i want to do. the thing is this though: i had a distro installed on here, and wanted to install ubuntu, which i did, but it showed me some 'hda errors', so i wanted to wipe it completely and make sure that all partitions are gone.
[07:59] <stjepan> cafuego: I want that precompiled kernel's config
[08:00] <tritium> stjepan, download it from archive.ubuntu.com
[08:00] <No1Bri> !tell No1Bri ATI
[08:00] <snausages> basically i want the drive to be unpartitioned, and back to its "factory" state
[08:00] <thoreauputic> No1Bri:  /msg ubotu ati
[08:00] <candlelight> snausages, if you try that command, you'll find that _everything_ is gone (well, not professionally, but fastest).
[08:01] <candlelight> gtg
[08:01] <stjepan> tritium: huh, but where is it?
[08:01] <No1Bri> hmm I need help with the installation of the Binary Display driver for ATI cards
[08:02] <thoreauputic> No1Bri: read ubotu's /msg - or did you not run the command I told you ?
[08:03] <No1Bri> I ran it nothing happened
[08:03] <tritium> !tell No1Bri about ati
[08:03] <No1Bri> Yep.. thanks Trit
[08:03] <tritium> No1Bri, when you were trying it, you left out the "about"
[08:04] <thoreauputic> tritium: and used caps for ATI  IIRC
[08:05] <No1Bri> Im such a noob
[08:05] <stjepan> may I use kernel config for 2.6.10 with kernel 2.6.11?
[08:06] <tritium> stjepan, don't use 2.6.11 with hoary.  It's unsupported
[08:06] <stjepan> no
[08:06] <tritium> e.g., no linux-restricted-modules for 2.6.11
[08:07] <stjepan> I want to use Ubuntu 5.04's kernel config with Gentoo 2005.0
[08:07] <tritium> fine, go ahead and download it and give it a try
[08:07] <stjepan> what download?
[08:08] <stjepan> where, that is the question!
[08:08] <tritium> as cafuego and I mentioned earlier, you can get it off of archive.ubuntu.com
[08:08] <c0rrup7> re
[08:08] <tritium> you can also search packages.ubuntu.com
[08:08] <cvt> do you know what i need to install doom 3?
[08:08] <stjepan> tritium: but where in archive.ubuntu.com????
[08:08] <tritium> base
[08:08] <cvt> i have three cd icons on my desktop but don't know how to launch them or install them
[08:08] <stjepan> tritium: what package?
[08:09] <stjepan> where
[08:09] <c0rrup7> hmmm i cant resolve my prob with nvidia ... :/
[08:09] <stjepan> tritium: please give me link
[08:10] <thoreauputic> stjepan: please use your brain - you can't expect tritium to do evrything for you
[08:10] <stjepan> :9
[08:10] <stjepan> :(
[08:10] <stjepan> but I really do not know where
[08:10] <stjepan> sry
[08:10] <Webby`> UGH! EI still get this error when I try to open up synaptics. : The package netraverse-kernel-gcc needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[08:10] <Webby`> E: Internal error opening cache (1). Please report.
[08:10] <_tiago> can some one help me update from hoary to breezy?
[08:11] <tritium> Webby`, you should be careful with unofficial repos
[08:11] <tritium> things like that can happen
[08:11] <Webby`> tritium: I know
[08:11] <Webby`> tritium: But how do I fix it?
[08:11] <SymGeosis> _tiago, no offense but if you can't do that yourself then you probably shouldn't be using it. ;-)
[08:11] <charlesj> what are some good repositories?
[08:11] <tritium> the official ones, charles__
[08:12] <thoreauputic> !tell charlesj about repos
[08:12] <cvt> you don't understand: i really love linux
[08:12] <tritium> Webby`, I don't even know what repos you're using now
[08:12] <charlesj> tritium: what about packages you can't find there?
[08:12] <deFrysk> _tiago, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[08:12] <tritium> !tell SymGeosis about ubuntuguide
[08:12] <cvt> i have been waiting for this for years
[08:12] <Webby`> :(
[08:12] <stjepan> I found it!
[08:12] <charlesj> sorry :)
[08:12] <stjepan> tnx
[08:12] <SymGeosis> tritium, thanks for tha.
[08:12] <Webby`> tritium: Does this mean I have to reinstall breezy ?
[08:12] <SymGeosis> tritium, I kinda already mentioned that fewsal.
[08:13] <tritium> SymGeosis, did you read the info?  We're not advising the use of ubuntuguide...
[08:13] <adiiidas> hi, i need help setting up my modem
[08:13] <adiiidas> i ran lspci
[08:13] <tritium> fewsal?
[08:13] <adiiidas> and this is what i get
[08:13] <SymGeosis> tritium, whatever works.
[08:13] <adiiidas> Modem: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 01)
[08:13] <tritium> wtf does that mena
[08:13] <tritium> mean
[08:13] <tritium> SymGeosis, no, please don't advise it.
[08:14] <SymGeosis> tritium, there is no reason why one can not direct others to third-party sources of information. That is after all, what opensource is about, sharing.
[08:14] <Webby`> :(
[08:14] <tritium> SymGeosis, thanks for not respecting our channel guidelines
[08:14] <SymGeosis> tritium, I offered a defense, please don't read too much into words. Words are hardly actions.
[08:14] <thoreauputic> SymGeosis: true - the problem is that we see daily various troubles caused by people folowing that guide
[08:14] <deFrysk> SymGeosis, the reason not to do it is the fact that its not an ubuntu source
[08:15] <SymGeosis> tritium, thanks for jumping to conclusions. =P
[08:15] <nalioth> SymGeosis: and you are not here to help fix the broken pieces
[08:15] <charlesj> hey, but what about packages not included int he ubuntu repositories?
[08:15] <adiiidas> anyone have some insight on my modem problem? :)
[08:15] <ska-fan> How would I check all packages on my system as to whether all files are still there and whether they are unharmed, and if neccessary re-install harmed files?
[08:15] <tritium> charles__, there are around 17000 in the repos.
[08:15] <ska-fan> my hard disk doesn't quite work and I lost some files
[08:16] <tritium> ska-fan, dpkg -C or --audit
[08:16] <Xeon3D> hi
[08:16] <SymGeosis> repos are repos...
[08:16] <thoreauputic> SymGeosis: no
[08:16] <SymGeosis> Or let me say, official repos are official repos.
[08:16] <charlesj> tritium: is it okay to add the breezy repos?
[08:16] <tritium> SymGeosis, nope
[08:16] <Madeye> guys, I have upgraded to Breezy preview, but x.org is not able to load keyboard module
[08:16] <charlesj> i am using hoary
[08:16] <Madeye> any idea?
[08:16] <SymGeosis> ...no matter what web page they are listed on.
[08:16] <Xeon3D> does anyone remember or know the name of a login manager theme for gnome that featured a female body and is in red tones?
[08:16] <SymGeosis> !!
[08:16] <thoreauputic> SymGeosis: some are more equal than others ;)
[08:16] <ubotu> ! is, like, what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[08:16] <nalioth> SymGeosis: a fuel pump for a toyota won't work on a ford. fuel pumps are fuel pumps
[08:16] <Webby`> Ok, I have a another problem. I try to convevrt rpm files using alien -i package.rpm but the .deb file that is made from the rpm file dissappears as soon as it is made. How do I stop this?
[08:16] <SymGeosis> People. please read the rest of what I said.
[08:16] <tritium> charles__, you're going to end up pulling in a bunch of stuff from breezy.  Might was well upgrade.
[08:16] <SymGeosis> ...
[08:17] <SymGeosis> BAH
[08:17] <thoreauputic> SymGeosis: please stop. This argument has been had before
[08:17] <charlesj> shyte
[08:17] <Xeon3D> anyone?
[08:17] <ska-fan> tritium: thanks
[08:17] <tritium> ska-fan, sure :)
[08:18] <Webby`> ?
[08:18] <sashi> hmm
[08:18] <sashi> whats the command to rename stuff
[08:18] <cvt> can u tell me which to dl?   http://gaim-vv.sourceforge.net/download.html
[08:18] <deFrysk> sashi, mv
[08:18] <sashi> rname
[08:18] <sashi> not move
[08:18] <stjepan> hi
[08:18] <SymGeosis> thoreauputic, I did not start this argumen. =P Though I feel as you do, it is over (and if people would stop jumping down my throat I could have mentioned that I agree to use the official wiki from now on)
[08:18] <ska-fan> tritium: found nothing, but I get a mail every day with mandb: can't open /usr/share/man/man8/update-mozilla-thunderbird-chrome.8: No such file or directory
[08:18] <deFrysk> sashi, trust me
[08:18] <ska-fan> and other lines
[08:18] <ska-fan> similar
[08:18] <stjepan> which kernel config use? "default" or "686"?
[08:18] <jodua> i need help!! i am really frustrated with mp3 players..i've tried to install xmms, mplayer and nothing...just getting errors...and totem will not work either
[08:18] <tritium> sashi, man mv if you don't believe him
[08:18] <stjepan> I have Intel Celeron 1.7GHz
[08:19] <stjepan> it is much like pentium4
[08:19] <thoreauputic> SymGeosis: OK - lets leave it then :)
[08:19] <Webby`> Should I reinstall breezy?
[08:19] <bur[n] er> !tell jodua about mp3
[08:19] <deFrysk> Webby`, if you ask that you probably should
[08:19] <nalioth> Webby`: why?
[08:19] <bur[n] er> heh
[08:19] <bur[n] er> Webby`: behind a router?
[08:19] <Webby`> nalioth: My repositories are messed up
[08:19] <Webby`> bur[n] er: yes
[08:19] <tritium> ska-fan, dpkg -S <filename> can help you find which package that file belongs to, and the you can check the package out
[08:20] <stjepan> my Celeron is x86
[08:20] <bur[n] er> if you forward port 22 I'll login and fix it for ya :)
[08:20] <stjepan> is it i686??
[08:20] <nalioth> Webby`: your sources.list is messed up?
[08:20] <bur[n] er> stjepan: yes
[08:20] <stjepan> aha
[08:20] <stjepan> ok
[08:20] <stjepan> tnx
[08:20] <c0rrup7> is there a possibility that the blackscreen-"feature" of the nvidia driver can't be fixed ? i really tried everything i came across now, but still no go - last thing i can think about would be kernel rebuild, but i doubt that would fix it ... :(
[08:20] <Webby`> nalioth: When I try to log into synaptics, it doesn't list any repositories
[08:21] <Webby`> nalioth: So I guess my sources.list is messed up
[08:21] <gigaclon> I think my firefox is screwed up
[08:21] <nalioth> webby i have a fix
[08:21] <nalioth> Webby`: one should never have to reinstall *nix
[08:21] <Webby`> nalioth: Ok, what's the fix?
[08:22] <ice_1963> lol
[08:22] <thoreauputic> c0rrup7: did you follow the wiki guide for nvidia?
[08:22] <tritium> c0rrup7, follow the yellow brick wiki
[08:23] <Prowl3r> Howdy everyone
[08:23] <c0rrup7> oh indeed, and tseliot's guides, and tips and tricks on other sites as well
[08:23] <tritium> doody, Prowl3r
[08:23] <ice_1963> my firefox works good in windowmaker :0)
[08:23] <azazel_ubuntu> well i have ubuntu hoary running finally, yay :) but booting from floppy :( will have to try to fix grub up..
[08:23] <c0rrup7> the only thing ididn't do was to recompile my kernel, but i haven't touched it, so no need to i guess
[08:24] <cvt> i have doom 3
[08:24] <cvt> i need help installing it
[08:24] <cvt> it's in three cd icons on my desktop
[08:24] <dazvid> Doom 3 is poop :P don't install!!
[08:24] <cvt> i suppose i need to mount them somehow to install
[08:24] <tritium> cvt, is there a binary installer fine on the first CD?
[08:24] <cvt> installer fine?
[08:24] <cvt> not sure
[08:24] <nalioth> Webby`: hang on a minute, but while you wait, type in a terminal "sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bak"
[08:24] <cvt> dazvid, it beats nothing
[08:24] <Webby`> nalioth: ok
[08:25] <dazvid> True ^
[08:25] <cvt> dazvid, what game do you recommend for ubuntu?
[08:25] <cvt> i'm a n00b
[08:25] <cvt> but i'm learning fast
[08:25] <dazvid> cvt: check out www.linux-gamers.net
[08:25] <cvt> kthx
[08:25] <dazvid> so am I cvt  :)
[08:25] <Prowl3r> Just wondering I found postfix running, as I do not run an email server on my machine I disabled it now I get an error on shutdown saying that /postfix/postfix-script since postfix is not running [failed]   I downloaded BUM (Boot Up Manager) and can't seem to find where that script
[08:25] <dazvid> Only been on ubuntu for a week
[08:25] <gigaclon> cvt, StepMania
[08:25] <cvt> good 4 u
[08:25] <cvt> ppl don't know what they're missing
[08:25] <cvt> ubuntu is awesome
[08:25] <Webby`> nalioth: It says no such drectory or file
[08:25] <cvt> debian looked kool but it was way too difficult for me
[08:26] <nalioth> Webby`: well then
[08:26] <tritium> Prowl3r, /etc/init.d
[08:26] <Prowl3r> cvt very true, I have bounced around from distro to distro (redhat, SuSe, Slackware)
[08:26] <Prowl3r> Ubuntu just seems to work well for me
[08:26] <Webby`> I love Ubuntu It's the best
[08:26] <Prowl3r> tritium Alright I'll check it out thanks
[08:27] <nalioth> Webby`: now type this "sudo wget -O /etc/apt/sources.list http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d969"
[08:27] <tritium> Prowl3r, all initscripts are there
[08:27] <Webby`> nalioth: ok, it brought me to > command
[08:27] <ice_1963> Debian is the BEST
[08:27] <ice_1963> apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[08:28] <azazel_ubuntu> doh, I liked the old xchat colours :(
[08:28] <ice_1963> apt-get install x-window-system
[08:28] <deFrysk> ice_1963, your point ?
[08:28] <ice_1963> apt-get install gnome
[08:28] <cvt> ice_1963, are you saying that will give me a debian look to my ubuntu?
[08:29] <ice_1963> nop
[08:29] <cvt> ice_1963 Debian is the BEST
[08:29] <crimsun> Your Ubuntu already has a "Debian look" - it's based on Debian.
[08:29] <Webby`> Not it's not Ubuntu os the best
[08:29] <deFrysk> geez
[08:29] <ice_1963> it's not hard to install DEBIAN
[08:29] <SymGeosis> ice_1963, please stop.
[08:30] <deFrysk> let everyone be happy wth their prefeered distro ok ?
[08:30] <ice_1963> ok
[08:30] <Prowl3r> tritium should I rm it?
[08:30] <tritium> Prowl3r, which?
[08:30] <thoreauputic> ice_1963: this is an Ubuntu channel - pease stay on topic
[08:30] <Prowl3r> postfix
[08:30] <c0rrup7> i'd prefer a distro that would work ...
[08:30] <ice_1963> :0)
[08:30] <Prowl3r> from init.d
[08:30] <c0rrup7> :/
[08:30] <SymGeosis> ice_1963, if you think Debian (or any other distro)  is the best then it's simply because the other distros aren't for *you*.
[08:30] <c0rrup7> for me
[08:30] <tritium> Prowl3r, better to just disable the service, rather than remove the file
[08:30] <cvt> SymGeosis, well put
[08:31] <Prowl3r> Hrm how do I disable it, I've already disabled it in BUM
[08:31] <deFrysk> :D
[08:32] <cvt> but thx anyways :)
[08:32] <deFrysk> cvt, /j #dentistry
[08:32] <cvt> haha
[08:32] <tritium> Prowl3r, not sure what bum is, try update-rc.d
[08:32] <cvt> mmmmm
[08:32] <cvt> now we're talking hehe
[08:33] <Prowl3r> BUM is Boot Up Manager, it shows scrips and services that startup and shutdown on the system
[08:33] <Prowl3r> I used it to disable postfix
[08:33] <tritium> Is it in the official repos?
[08:33] <tritium> Prowl3r, are you running hoary or breezy?
[08:34] <Prowl3r> tritium, I got a hold of it via the Ubuntu unoffical documentation
[08:34] <Prowl3r> Hoary
[08:34] <tritium> Oh, I see...
[08:35] <crimsun> tritium: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=10df226089ddec4930de3609b936c247&t=42129
[08:35] <tritium> crimsun, thanks
[08:35] <Prowl3r> It's just this shutdown script that is throwing me for a loop I can't find it in BUM being called up, and kinda stuck on where it is called up
[08:35] <crimsun> np
[08:35] <nalioth> anyone know the IP of paste.ubuntu.nl   ?
[08:35] <nalioth> got a DNS not working well atm
[08:35] <crimsun> paste.ubuntulinux.nl has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:36] <c0rrup7> <IP_ADDRESS> nalioth
[08:37] <nalioth> thanks. it seems to be down atm
[08:37] <c0rrup7> oh crimsun was faster :D
[08:37] <c0rrup7> nope it isnt down
[08:37] <MrBear> finally a ubuntu version that works
[08:38] <cvt> does ubuntu go by the same system requirements for games as windows?
[08:38] <Madpilot> nalioth: works from here, FWIW...
[08:38] <cvt> i only have 64mB of integrated vid ram
[08:38] <cvt> it probably requires 256 or 128mB
[08:38] <Prowl3r> I've found the script as it is in /etc/postfix/postfix-script
[08:38] <cvt> :(
[08:39] <Madeye> hi, guys I've upgraded to breezy, but now i got Xorg error, faild to load module keyboard
[08:39] <dazvid> cvt get lxdoom :P
[08:39] <deFrysk> :D
[08:39] <cvt> k thx
[08:39] <dazvid> Its a linux port of either doom1 or doom2, and its available through synaptic
[08:39] <deFrysk> prboom
[08:39] <Prowl3r> Was breezy released?
[08:39] <dazvid> Prowl3r: officialy no
[08:39] <cvt> dazvid, serious??? omfg that is sweet
[08:40] <Prowl3r> Ahh ok
[08:40] <Madeye> Prowl3r preview release and I have troubles with it
[08:40] <Madeye> and cant find any help
[08:40] <pprince_> cafuego: doc was great, saved hours over the one I was using.  thx again.
[08:40] <Prowl3r> Madeye I'm a noob to be honest I know enough to get me in trouble "Kernel Panic" time
[08:40] <nalioth> Madpilot: hmmm, not from here, and not from somewhere else
[08:40] <tritium> Madeye, it's not that bad...
[08:41] <Madeye> tritium well, I'm not able to start GDM yet to know if it's bad or not
[08:41] <nalioth> Madeye: the updates are coming fast, it'll resolve
[08:41] <enyc> yawn
[08:41] <tritium> Madeye, let's look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:41] <Madeye> nalioth you think I have to wait for an update?
[08:41] <thoreauputic> :)
[08:42] <nalioth> madeye, i've updated every 4 hours today (something new)
[08:42] <Prowl3r> OK let me ask this where are scripts called up on startup and shutdown?
[08:42] <tritium> Prowl3r, /etc/init.d
[08:43] <Madeye> tritium hmm, I'm using bitchX now, and I'm not sure how i can paste the Xorg.0.log to you
[08:44] <tritium> Madeye, can you look for any errors in it, i.e., line beginning with (EE) ?
[08:44] <jodua> Hey, how can I do an apt-get install of gstreamer-0.8-mad?  It says that it couldn't find package, and befor ethat it says that it couldn't stat source package list (2 no such file or directory) .. it does it quite a bit..
[08:44] <Madeye> tritium k one sec
[08:45] <crimsun> jodua: it's gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:45] <Prowl3r> hrm..
[08:45] <nalioth> !botsnack
[08:45] <ubotu> thanks nalioth :)
[08:45] <jodua> crimsun, that doesnt work neither.. same error
[08:45] <tritium> jodua, it's in universe
[08:45] <jodua> tritium, i dont know what that means
[08:45] <tritium> !tell jodua about repositories
[08:46] <Madeye> tritium faild to load modules "xtt" modules doesn't exists, and faild to load kayboard modules, module doesn't exists, and no input driver matching "keyboard"
[08:46] <cyphase> is it ever going to be possible for a user to install software for that user alone?
[08:46] <cyphase> using apt
[08:46] <azazel_ubuntu> anyone got some good links to grub help? or can help me set up grub?
[08:46] <azazel_ubuntu> specifically in regards to ubuntu
[08:47] <poningru> azazel_ubuntu: dude how did you set up ubuntu? straight install? or did you compile everything?
[08:47] <crimsun> cyphase: not in the sense that you're probably thinking. Remember you can always do tricks with chroot and debootstrap.
[08:47] <Madeye> tritium any idea?
[08:47] <azazel_ubuntu> I can boot ubuntu and winXP fine from a boot floppy created in the installer... so I ran grub-install /dev/sda to install grub to my hard disk. and while grub comes up ok (presents the menus), it wont boot any OS (it thinks winXP is on ext2, ubuntu is on unknown partition 0x7), etc
[08:48] <azazel_ubuntu> poningru, straight install
[08:48] <tritium> Madeye, not really...
[08:48] <azazel_ubuntu> poningru, but i installed grub to a floppy because, previously, when I let the installer install to the mbr, it broke things, and nothing would boot
[08:48] <Madeye> any suggestion then
[08:48] <azazel_ubuntu> poningru, so, I can boot with a floppy, but I really want to install grub to /dev/sda and have it boot both ubuntu and winxp (XP is on my PATA drive, Ubuntu is on my SATA drive)
[08:48] <nalioth> Madeye: learn the joys of CLI existence
[08:48] <tritium> Madeye, I'm not sure
[08:49] <azazel_ubuntu> poningru, /boot/grub/menu.lst looks fine to me... i have no idea why it didn't work
[08:49] <Madeye> nalioth got some suggestions for me?
[08:49] <nalioth> Madeye: the pkg WILL come down, be patient "breezy is broken"
[08:49] <nalioth> Madeye: links (or variant) for web browsing, mutt for mail, blah blah
[08:49] <Gyoza> Eh, Breezy is broken?
[08:50] <Madeye> nalioth  i'm patient, hmm any expected time when they will fix it? you know it's not easy to live without GDM
[08:50] <nalioth> Gyoza: until next month, yes
[08:50] <nalioth> Madeye: tried kdm?
[08:50] <bz0b> hey y'all
[08:50] <Madeye> nalioth i don't have KdE to have kdm
[08:50] <nalioth> Madeye: i installed breezy on my ibook last night, and every 4 hours today there's been an update
[08:50] <Gyoza> Heh, a guy just asked me if he should try 5.04 or 5.10. I said go ahead and try 5.10.
[08:50] <nalioth> Madeye: i'm offering suggestions, there's more than gdm
[08:50] <tritium> Madeye, not everyone is experiencing that problem.
[08:51] <bz0b> Gyoza, well if a guy has to ask you to use 5.10, then he probably shouldn't use 5.10
[08:51] <tritium> Gyoza, it's in pretty good shape
[08:51] <Madeye> naliothwell, I can apt kdm now, but the point can I use kdm to login to gnome ?
[08:51] <Prowl3r> tritium let me ask ya something if I remove postscript from init.d would that get rid of it?
[08:51] <tritium> postscript?
[08:51] <nalioth> Madeye: yes you can
[08:51] <poningru> hmm
[08:51] <Prowl3r> Yea
[08:52] <c0rrup7> gtg, cya @ll
[08:52] <poningru> !grub
[08:52] <ubotu> [grub]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[08:52] <bz0b> later c0rrup7
[08:52] <tritium> Prowl3r, you mean postfix?
[08:52] <poningru> azazel_ubuntu: did you read through those?
[08:52] <Prowl3r> fatal: the Postfix mail system is not running
[08:52] <bz0b> does anyone here use azureus?
[08:53] <Prowl3r> Thats the error from the system log
[08:53] <jodua> it keeps complaining about keys or something and stats.. whats that about?
[08:53] <Prowl3r> Process : postfix/postfix-script
[08:53] <bob2> please do not tell people to go to #debian
[08:53] <bob2> ever
[08:53] <bob2> unless they are using Debian
[08:53] <bob2> thanks
[08:53] <azazel_ubuntu> poningru, just doing that now..
[08:53] <Prowl3r> And that is the script
[08:53] <poningru> hehe
[08:53] <poningru> #debian people do not like end users like you and me
[08:54] <bob2> no
[08:54] <cvt> do you know which one i should get; do i get i386?  http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/lxdoom
[08:54] <jodua> end users?
[08:54] <bob2> they don't like people asking for help with non-Debian OSs
[08:54] <bob2> which is fine
[08:54] <bob2> so please don't do that again
[08:54] <Gyoza> Is there a floppy boot image in the CD?
[08:54] <bob2> Gyoza: no
[08:54] <Gyoza> k
[08:55] <Xorlev> Pssst...Debian people secretly practice satanic rituals requiring them to be evil to other distros in order to maintain their development.
[08:55] <Xorlev> (joke)
[08:55] <cvt> p4 3gHz 1.18gB ram ubuntu
[08:55] <bob2> #debian has about 3 actual developers in it, out of 600 people
[08:56] <azazel_ubuntu> poningru, none of it seems to help. grub loads okay, displays a menu. but has errors when I try to boot an OS. I'll try again and write them down :/
[08:56] <brad[] > So when are you guys going to stick a working version of evolution-connector in the repos? :P
[08:56] <bz0b> does anyone here use that program musik to download their napster music?
[08:56] <bob2> brad[] : have you filed a bug about it being broken?
[08:57] <cvt> i forgot to use synaptic
[08:57] <bob2> bz0b: napster has been dead for about 3 years now
[08:57] <brad[] > bob2: One's been filed, yes
[08:57] <brad[] > bob2: It's a known issue too, as listed in the ximian-connector changelog
[08:57] <bz0b> bob2, where have you been?
[08:57] <bob2> bz0b: ?
[08:57] <brad[] > bob2: 2.2.3 fixes crippling issues, yet 2.2.1 is all that's available for installation in Hoary :(
[08:57] <poningru> bz0b: napster uses a DRM tech that will not work unless a) they allow it b) you/others hack it
[08:57] <bob2> brad[] : er, hoary of course will not be updated
[08:57] <bz0b> poningru, well that is why i want the musik client
[08:58] <bz0b> poningru, they say it removes the DRM
[08:58] <brad[] > bob2: Even to fix something that doesn't work?
[08:58] <poningru> bz0b: link?
[08:58] <bob2> brad[] : it doesn't work at all, against any exchange server in the world?
[08:58] <bz0b> poningru, look on digg.com
[08:58] <poningru> hmm
[08:58] <bz0b> digg it up
[08:58] <bob2> bz0b: this sounds a) like a violation of copyright laws, and b) unrelated to ubuntu
[08:58] <Prowl3r> tritium thanks for the help I think I know what happened
[08:58] <Prowl3r> brb
[08:59] <bz0b> well i pay for it
[08:59] <brad[] > bob2: Anyone using Exchange and Global Address Lists is toast, basically (essentially everyone does, to a greater or lesser extent)
[08:59] <cvt> i installed lxdoom from synaptic.  what do i do now?
[08:59] <cvt> i have a feeling i'm not through yet
[08:59] <bob2> brad[] : breezy has 2.4.0 and is already in beta
[08:59] <bob2> and is out next month
[08:59] <bob2> you're welcome to ask for hoary to be fixed, tho
[09:00] <brad[] > bob2: Well, at least relief is in sight then ;)
[09:00] <bz0b> bob2, do you recommend using ubuntuguide.org
[09:00] <bob2> bz0b: not unless you know which bits to ignore
[09:01] <bz0b> bob2, like the limewire crap and stuff?
[09:01] <bz0b> bob2, i am mainly using it for the codecs, repos, and some little things
[09:01] <mikey> i've found ubuntuguide.org to be valuable, what should i avoid in it?
[09:01] <bob2> like the "OMG LOLZ USE THE BACKPORTS AND RANDOM NON_FREE SOFTARE REPOSITORIES" bits
[09:02] <bz0b> oh
[09:02] <bob2> which would be less of a problem if the backports people looked more closely at QA
[09:02] <bz0b> are the backports bad?
[09:02] <bob2> they're not very carefully done, afaict
[09:02] <bz0b> oh
[09:02] <bz0b> wow
[09:03] <bz0b> i am downloading pretty much all of these things from them
[09:03] <mikey> that, i have noticed.  but still, the guide would seem to be helpful for many newbies.
[09:03] <crimsun> bz0b: you'd be better off just running Breezy
[09:03] <bz0b> really?
[09:03] <bob2> yes, much of it is useful
[09:03] <bz0b> already?
[09:03] <tritium> mikey, the UserDocumentation of the wiki is quite good
[09:03] <bob2> which is what makes the minor failings all the more annoying
[09:03] <mikey> that's a goos question... do you all think breezy is ready to use?
[09:04] <bz0b> hmm, well its just i am the sort of person who really doesnt like beta stuff, mainly because it is BETA!
[09:04] <mikey> Nod, the wiki has helped me much as well.
[09:04] <Madeye> bob2 DON'T upgrade
[09:05] <tritium> Madeye, like I said, I don't think your issue is common
[09:05] <Madeye> kevogod WEll said.
[09:05] <bz0b> kevogod, yes i agree just as much
[09:05] <Madeye> tritium it's seems to be common, I have just checked ubuntuforums.org and found some threads about it
[09:05] <bob2> Madeye: what?
[09:05] <Madeye> bob2  don't upgrade! yet
[09:05] <bob2> ...
[09:06] <Madeye> bob2 else you will end up with bitchx, lynx, and mutt
[09:06] <mikey> question:  what do you all suggest if i want to try a different window manager?
[09:06] <bob2> I'd like to think I'd kow how to fix the minor remaining problems
[09:06] <thoreauputic> Madeye: I think bob2 can handle it ;)
[09:06] <tritium> Madeye, I'm running breezy now
[09:06] <bob2> Madeye: I'd hope not, bitchx is terrible and never installed on any machine I use
[09:06] <Madeye> thoreauputic Why he can and I cant?
[09:06] <thoreauputic> Madeye: he's rather experienced :)
[09:06] <bz0b> bob2, true that, if i use CLI, i would use irssi!
[09:06] <Madeye> bob2 I wish you the best, but i'm just giving you my experience with it now
[09:07] <Shorty`> I can't seem to get fglrx workign in breezy, anyone had similar issues (the kernel module isn't recognised by the xdriver)
[09:07] <bz0b> wow i am drunk
[09:07] <mikey> hah
[09:07] <Madeye> thoreauputic really? i'm not sure how his experience would help him to fix xorg bugs
[09:07] <crimsun> Shorty`: version mismatch?
[09:07] <bz0b> i drank almost a whole bottle of absolute vodka
[09:07] <bob2> Madeye: I've used debian unstable for 4 years, and ran ubuntu unstable since june last year
[09:07] <crimsun> Shorty`: as in expecting 4 but found 5? if so, that's known and an upstream issue that has been reported to them.
[09:07] <bob2> Shorty`: with the ubuntu firegl version, or some other one?
[09:07] <brownie17> aftertaf: how do i get sound in firefox
[09:08] <Madeye> bob2 then you are the right man who can help me ?
[09:08] <brownie17> can anyone tell me why sound doesnt work in firefox?
[09:08] <bob2> Madeye: if you don't know how to fix it yourself, then you shouldn't be using it
[09:08] <mikey> brownie17:  what kind of sound?  media files?  flash?
[09:08] <bob2> brownie17: do you mean "I use GNOME, and sound works there, but Flash animations don't have sound"?
[09:08] <brownie17> mikey: any, but i think only flash isnt working
[09:08] <brownie17> bob2: yes that's what i mean
[09:09] <Madeye> bob2 hmm I agree, but I have tried Hoary unstable and it was fine, it was easier to shoot it's troubles
[09:09] <bob2> Madeye: yes, hoary was unusually stable during it's development
[09:09] <cafuego> bob2: Mop & bucket
[09:09] <brownie17> bob2: why isnt it working
[09:09] <Madeye> bob2 now I cant find any solution to fix faild to load "keyboard" "xtt" modules
[09:09] <bob2> brownie17: pkill esd, reload the page
[09:09] <bob2> brownie17: because esd stole your sound device and flash is crap and didn't notice
[09:10] <cevizoglu> bob2: I wouldn't consider being stable unusual for an OS
[09:10] <bob2> Madeye: and there's been nothing in the BTS or on the ubunut-devel list about that?
[09:10] <brownie17> bob2: howd o i use ALSA instead then?
[09:10] <bob2> cevizoglu: for the development version of ubuntu, it has proven to be slightly unusual
[09:10] <bob2> brownie17: that won't help
[09:10] <bur[n] er> gdm works fine for me
[09:10] <mikey> brownie17:  check out the walkthrough on ubuntuguide.org for sound issues, it helped me
[09:10] <Madeye> bob2 solution? no or at least i couldn't find any
[09:10] <bur[n] er> in fact, breezy works relatively fine for me
[09:10] <bob2> unless flash can do ALSA now
[09:10] <bob2> Madeye: as above, I'm not going to fix it for you, sorry
[09:10] <Madeye> bob2  but found some threads complaining about that
[09:10] <bob2> Madeye: on the forums?
[09:10] <Madeye> bob2  ok calm down
[09:10] <bob2> wtf
[09:11] <mikey> bob2:  i'm using ALSA and flash sound works fine
[09:11] <Madeye> bob2 last time i checked there was nothing
[09:11] <Madeye> lemme check again
[09:11] <bob2> ignore the forums
[09:11] <bob2> they're unlikely to have useful information on the topic
[09:11] <bob2> mikey: as in it uses ALSA/dmix now?  or did you make it use esd?
[09:12] <thoreauputic> bob2: alsa/dmix seems to work OK with flash here
[09:13] <crimsun> but did you symlink libesd.so.1?
[09:13] <crimsun> if so, that's technically still broken
[09:13] <thoreauputic> crimsun: ah, probably yes - ben a while but that rings a bell
[09:14] <crimsun> the flash plugin will work with alsa without the libesd.so.1 symlink only if one invokes firefox with ''aoss firefox''
[09:14] <Madeye> hmm well I think the best now for me, is to rollback to hoary
[09:14] <thoreauputic> I see
[09:15] <Lichte> is it possible to play .mp4 files in totem ??
[09:15] <MrBear> I got world of warcraft whats the best way to run it on linux
[09:16] <crimsun> Lichte: yes, you need gstreamer0.8-faad
[09:16] <Lichte> crimsun: I think I've installed that
[09:17] <crimsun> MrBear: probably under Cedega: http://www.cedega.com
[09:17] <crimsun> crazy talios
[09:17] <Lichte> crimsun: it is installed
[09:17] <kevogod> You might be able to simply use WINE.
[09:17] <MrBear> cant need to pay for it
[09:17] <cafuego> MrBear: Then you can't run it.
[09:17] <dazvid> MrBear: check out http://www.linux-gamers.net
[09:18] <kevogod> MrBear, http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-246098.html
[09:18] <tritium> cafuego, being from a spanish-speaking state, your nick always reminds me of fires in california (CA + fuego)
[09:19] <Lichte> maybe totem is broken
[09:19] <bob2> anyway, I only came back to beat someone about giving terrible advice
[09:19] <bob2> adios
[09:19] <tritium> see you bob2
[09:20] <Lichte> is there an extra repository for breezy ??
[09:20] <crimsun> Lichte: make sure gstreamer's registry recognizes the plugin
[09:21] <cafuego> stupid irc logs are spamming my google search
[09:21] <crimsun> Lichte: ala gst-register-0.8
[09:21] <nalioth> tritium: are you sure his nick isnt wishful thinking?
[09:21] <talios> crimsun, finally got rid of fedora :)
[09:21] <tritium> nalioth, I hope not...
[09:21] <Lichte> crimsun: registry ?
[09:21] <crimsun> talios: painful transition?
[09:21] <crimsun> Lichte: see above command
[09:22] <cafuego> tritium: "Cafuego" used to be a coffee product in holland... can't find it in google anymore though. admittedly it's been off the market for nearly a decade...
[09:22] <talios> crimsun, only in that I accidentally removed all kernel rpms and rebooted ;p  had to move my HDD to a different IDE interface (ubuntu doesn't like that promise FastTrak100)
[09:22] <talios> crimsun, other than that, its a dream :p
[09:22] <Lichte> hmmm
[09:22] <talios> althou, my hoary iso was corrupt, so I'm running breezy like a madman :p
[09:22] <tritium> cafuego, ah, thanks for the background :)
[09:23] <bz0b> just a debate, is gnome pronouced g gnome or just gnome
[09:23] <cafuego> tritium: I still have the branded coffee tin, of course :-)
[09:23] <bob2> g-nome
[09:23] <tritium> nice :)
[09:23] <sobersabre> hi guys where do I read how to install transcode etc. stuff ( I actually need avifix, but I guess it is there )
[09:23] <cafuego> bz0b: WHichever way works best for you, it'd FREE oss after all.
[09:23] <dhart> hi. anyone up for an apache2 question?
[09:23] <bob2> dhart: best to just ask your question
[09:24] <thoreauputic> bz0b: some of use prefer the garden variety pronunciation ;)
[09:24] <bz0b> i see
[09:24] <bz0b> thanks for the opinions
[09:25] <Lichte> is there an extra repository for breezy ?
[09:25] <thoreauputic> bz0b: but canonically, bob2 is right, as usual :)
[09:25] <dhart> sure, thanks. I'm doing apache2 for the first time. v.nice config setup. apache2 is defaulting to my first vhost, not to the default vhost. strange.
[09:25] <bob2> Lichte: what does that mean?
[09:25] <bob2> Lichte: it uses a different archive suite to hoary, yes, but it's in the same location and has the same sections.
[09:25] <Lichte> bob2: so I don't change the "hoary" to "breezy" ?
[09:26] <bob2> Lichte: that's one thing you do
[09:26] <Lichte> bob2: I did that and it doesn't work
[09:26] <bob2> "doesn't work" is not a useful description of a problem...
[09:26] <Lichte> bob2: apt-get says it's not there
[09:26] <bob2> no it doesn't
[09:27] <bob2> it gives you a specific
[09:27] <bob2> error
[09:27] <bob2> paste it and /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[09:27] <dhart> for example, browsing to http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ should show the apache2 default page, but shows my 1st vhost instead.
[09:27] <Lichte> bob2: I've deleted the line already
[09:27] <bob2> Lichte: that's not very useful
[09:28] <Lichte> bob2: it's better than all the error output I was getting from apt-get
[09:29] <ale_> what's the command ubuntu's installer uses to detect your sound card and automatically download the drivers?
[09:29] <bob2> Lichte: if you want help, change it back and ive us the information I asked for
[09:29] <bob2> ale_: it doesn't download anythying, the drivers are a part of the kernel-image
[09:30] <toby> i'm an ubuntu beginner, what's a good text to start me off?
[09:30] <ale_> bob2, so it basically comes with drivers for just any sound card?
[09:30] <bob2> ale_: almost all of them, yes
[09:30] <thoreauputic> !tell toby about docs
[09:31] <ale_> ok how do i tell my debian which used to be ubuntu to install the drivers again?
[09:31] <toby> ?
[09:31] <Crimguy> toby are you a linux noob?
[09:31] <toby> any book on debian is good?
[09:31] <toby> yes
[09:31] <thoreauputic> toby: did you see ubotu 's /msg ?
[09:32] <toby> no
[09:32] <DeepB> anyone here running breezy & kde would be willing to test creating a folder with []  on its name and trying to get inside it using konqueror, please?
[09:32] <Feral_Kid> I found in the package archives that fwbulder 2.0.7 was available. But apt-get will only give me version 2.0.3... How do I get 4.0.1 to access packages in the testing archieve, if that is possible?
[09:32] <thoreauputic> ah
[09:32] <bob2> ale_: that question sounds terribly confused
[09:32] <thoreauputic> !docs
[09:32] <ubotu> from memory, docs is an index of documentation on the Ubuntu Wiki - you can find it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[09:32] <Crimguy> I haven't looked at the most recent version, but O'Reilly's Running LInux was a great primer.
[09:32] <ale_> this is what happened: i had ubuntu. Then i changed the package servers to debian's. And then i did apt-get upgrade. Things are fine, but i have no sound :/
[09:32] <bob2> Feral_Kid: you mean you're using 4.10?  you don't play games forcing it to use 2.0.7, you just update your whole system.
[09:32] <Crimguy> I'd consider getting a copy of their book on bash as well.
[09:32] <thoreauputic> toby: see ubotu 's url for an index of the ubuntu wiki
[09:32] <bob2> ale_: that was extraordinarily silly
[09:33] <ale_> bob2 i know that now, but i was advised it was going to be ok. What can i do other than kill the person who told me it was going to be compatible?
[09:33] <Crimguy> Toby - and do a lot of google searches ;-D
[09:33] <toby> thanks ... on my way
[09:33] <bob2> ale_: who on earth told you that would be ok?
[09:33] <bob2> ale_: and you need to figure out what on earth the problem is before you can fix it
[09:33] <Feral_Kid> bob2: Upgrade via dist-upgrade?
[09:34] <tritium> ale_, no need to talk about killing
[09:34] <bob2> Feral_Kid: wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[09:34] <ale_> tritium  i would kill -9 him if i could!!!
[09:34] <Feral_Kid> bob2: Thanks....
[09:35] <ale_> if i set the package servers back to ubuntu's and upgrade again... would that be even sillier than what i've done?
[09:35] <bob2> that will likely break it more
[09:35] <bob2> reinstalling may be simpler if you don't know enough about how sound works to fix it
[09:36] <ale_> linux is so amazing. If you break it, it's your fault. And even if you break it, it still works 99%
[09:36] <ale_> bob2 thanks for the advice, i think im going to do that
[09:37] <bob2> ale_: if you wanted to dig more, you'd find out what was failing
[09:37] <bob2> ie if the driver does not exist, if it's not being loaded, or if somehting higher is confused
[09:37] <DeepB> anyone here running breezy & kde would be willing to create a folder with []  on its name and try to get inside it using konqueror, please?
[09:38] <bob2> perhaps #kubuntu would be a better place to ask
[09:38] <adam_> hi, how to change screen resolution (X) ???
[09:38] <bob2> you don't, generally
[09:38] <nalioth> !tell adam_ about resolution
[09:38] <poningru> yeah ubuntu knows whats good for you, you better stick to it
[09:39] <poningru> ;)
[09:39] <poningru> !resolution
[09:39] <ubotu> [resolution]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:39] <poningru> nalioth: when you do the tell command you have to specify ubotu
[09:39] <poningru> for example
[09:39] <poningru> ubotu: tell nalioth about the resolution
[09:39] <poningru> err
[09:39] <thoreauputic> poningru: erm.. no
[09:39] <poningru> ubotu: tell nalioth about resolution
[09:40] <poningru> wait the other works too?
[09:40] <poningru> cause it didnt for me
[09:40] <thoreauputic> poningru:  ! is all you need
[09:40] <poningru> I tried that many moons ago
[09:40] <nalioth> !tell poningru about ubotu
[09:40] <adam_> ok, thanks
[09:40] <poningru> failed for me
[09:40] <thoreauputic> !tell poningru about ubotu
[09:40] <poningru> thoreauputic: noooooo
[09:40] <Feral_Kid> Bob2: Sorry, I must have been slipping into a light coma... I meant to say that I was using 5.04... Too busy messing with Centos earlier...
[09:41] <thoreauputic> heh
[09:41] <Maschine> Hi! I'm trying to install Breezy Preview on a Raid1 System (2x4,6GB@Adaptec Controller) but after copying and configuring the packages I get an error "Installation failed" the status bar is at 75% saying "Creating device files". Any ideas? Thanks!
[09:41] <gorilla> !tell gorilla about ubotu
[09:41] <Feral_Kid> Bob2: How how do I get fwbuilder-2.0.7
[09:41] <bob2> Maschine: is that real raid or software raid?
[09:41] <poningru> Maschine: did you make sure that the disc isnt bad?
[09:41] <Maschine> software raid, bob
[09:42] <Maschine> poningru, debian installation worked before...
[09:42] <poningru> Maschine: ?
[09:42] <poningru> I am talking about the cd
[09:42] <thoreauputic> meh xchat sucks... back to irssi
[09:42] <poningru> sorry
[09:42] <comfac> hi guys
[09:42] <Maschine> Oh, sorry, should be ok, as it starts copying?!?
[09:42] <comfac> im just new here...chekin with the options
[09:43] <comfac> can we chat with yahoo using ubuntu?
[09:43] <poningru> Maschine: that has been a problem for many people and is/was a heated debate in the mailing list
[09:43] <stjepan> hi
[09:43] <poningru> so make sure that you check the burnt disc before you install
[09:43] <stjepan> cam I use portage instead apt with ubuntu?
[09:43] <Maschine> poningru, what is the best way to check?
[09:44] <poningru> just use a competent cd burner
[09:44] <poningru> :)
[09:44] <poningru> k3b I think checks automagically
[09:44] <poningru> not sure
[09:44] <Maschine> lol, ok
[09:44] <poningru> hold on let me see
[09:45] <sobersabre> how can I get avifix running on my hoary ?
[09:45] <sobersabre> is there a video related repositiory ?
[09:45] <Feral_Kid> Alright, any one know how to get the lastest version of fwbuilder from archieves?
[09:45] <Xorlev> Video codecs and such should be in the backports and extras repos.
[09:46] <tritium> stjepan, you can use apt to build from source as well
[09:46] <dazvid> The w32codecs are in the multiverse
[09:46] <poningru> Maschine: yeah k3b has an option to check written data
[09:46] <poningru> pretty sure that will suffice
[09:46] <poningru> if not I think the installer has a checker
[09:46] <thoreauputic> dazvid: no, in hoary extras
[09:47] <dazvid> eh? I couldnt find them in there ;/
[09:47] <dazvid> wait
[09:47] <Maschine> Ok, poningru, will try again with a new install cd. Thanks for your help!
[09:47] <cvt> does anyone know what to do after dl'ing lxdoom?
[09:47] <cvt> i'm stuck
[09:47] <poningru> Maschine: np
[09:48] <dazvid> Ah yes its name is hoary extras.. but it is a multiverse :P I just got confrused ;
[09:48] <Madpilot> cvt: "lxdoom" at a command prompt doesn't start it?
[09:48] <Red_Bullet> please tell me how can i play music in console
[09:48] <sobersabre> Xorlev, Thanks
[09:48] <sobersabre> Xorlev, so you mean dvdrip etc. is there ?
[09:48] <Madpilot> dazvid: Multiverse is a specific repo - hoary-extra is a different one...
[09:48] <cvt> Madpilot, i'll try it . i'm a little new. iforget about tasks like that.
[09:49] <cvt> IWAD not found
[09:49] <althepcman> Hi all anyone familar with breezy
[09:49] <cevizoglu> cvt: where are you stuck?
[09:49] <dazvid> Wait now im just confused..