[09:01] <subdesign> if apt cant find i want to install and recommends something, how can I easily grab the suggestion (and no to type in) ?
[09:02] <subdesign> *not to
[09:02] <kushal_kumaran> the_dark_knight: pid cannot be changed.  If you want your program to behave differently according to given argument, then you just write your code that way.  Don't see how the OS could provide any special support for that.
[09:02] <greenit> hi, would any1 be as nice to subscribe this petition? http://www.change.org/petitions/arenanet-inc-consider-development-alongside-the-wine-project-3  would be nice if there is a linux-compatible gw2-client. please don't see this as an advertisement, i just try to get 2-3 more people to sign it, at least because they want to support the growth of gaming-software on linux :)
[09:03] <the_dark_knight> kushal_kumaran: do you know anything about supervisord of python
[09:03] <the_dark_knight> ?
[09:04] <Rootbrian> greenit: maybe also share it on identica and other social networks, other IRC's?
[09:05] <Rootbrian> subdesign: highlight it, right click > copy, shift-insert to paste it.
[09:05] <greenit> Rootbrian: yeah, i'll do :)
[09:05] <subdesign> Rootbrian, ok thx :)
[09:06] <subdesign> so no automated command built in. np.
[09:06] <overclucker> the_dark_knight: why not write the pid to file?
[09:06] <kushal_kumaran> the_dark_knight: no, but I'm sure the fine folk over on the mailing list at http://lists.supervisord.org/mailman/listinfo/supervisor-users do
[09:07] <Rootbrian> subdesign: can also right click > paste.
[09:09] <phuc> ee
[09:09] <phuc> co ai viet nam ko
[09:10] <the_dark_knight> overclucker: kushal_kumaran, so there is no way to do it like, open 3 terminal windows, start running 3 python programs in it. and then with another terminal check which instance is running and which is not? please help .
[09:11] <Loay> i want to purchase the IBM laptop in this configuration order Cheap cost + Low configuration + light weight. which model number of IBM is good for me ?
[09:12] <phuc> dm tui bay
[09:12] <phuc> noi cai cc gi
[09:12] <Rootbrian> Loay: I suggest comparing all of them. If speed is what you desire, go for the fastest. Storage and ram can always be upgraded. Check ebay for supplies of aftermarket batteries, if none, don't buy it.
[09:13] <Loay> ok thanks for suggestion. can you please suggest more on this configuration.
[09:13] <Rootbrian> Loay: Include amazon and other shopping websites. Ebay isn't the only one. It's just my primary choice, as to why I suggested it.
[09:14] <Loay> thank you dear
[09:15] <overclucker> the_dark_knight: there are plenty of ways to do that. one would be to have each process create a pid file in a directory, and then write a script to collect process information for each pid file in the directory.
[09:15] <kushal_kumaran> the_dark_knight: if that is all you want, then have your program print out its pid as the first thing it does, and then use that pid for monitoring.
[09:15] <Rootbrian> Loay: for a comfortable and speedy system, 2.4 GHz or faster CPU, (dual core or higher, or just dual core) 2GB-4GB of RAM. Hard disk, easily obtained at most computer stores. 80GB is good enough for the conscious user.
[09:16] <vedic> I have lost the pass phrase of my secrete key. I have revokation key and public key. How to revoke the key so that I can generate the new one. I haven't uploaded my keys to the public key server
[09:16] <Loay> ok , and my main concern is that Light weight and Low configuration.
[09:16] <Rootbrian> Loay: there isn't much you can customize on a laptop unless it was being made at the factory for you, before and during production.
[09:17] <Loay> because i have already laptop for good configuration but that is above 3 kg
[09:17] <the_dark_knight> kushal_kumaran: overclucker , yes that seems a good way.
[09:17] <[deXter]> Loay, Why IBM?
[09:17] <Rootbrian> Loay: the lighter you go, the likely fact is, the lower the specs will be.
[09:18] <Rootbrian> Loay: lenovo is now ibm since they took over.
[09:18] <Loay> [deXter]: many suggest IBM laptop and i am part of the IBM partner company.
[09:18] <syntroPi> the_dark_knight, you may want to take a look at start-stop-daemon man page
[09:18] <Loay> Rootbrian: ok
[09:19] <the_dark_knight> syntroPi: lemme check
[09:19] <Loay> could you please give a good web link for that
[09:19] <linux_noob> Rootbrian: Back after trying again. Same error immediately after boot. "Secure boot not enabled"
[09:19] <Loay> ?
[09:20] <[deXter]> Loay, I would suggest Dell, never had any issues with Linux on it, everything works out of the box - suspend, hibernate, Fn keys, brightness keys, wifi everything
[09:20] <the_dark_knight> syntroPi: hey is it like upstart. cos I am already using upstart. but Is there any way to give a fixed id to a service
[09:20] <Loay> ok , i am also linux admin.
[09:20] <ryannathans> hahahaha
[09:20] <ryannathans> admins.
[09:20] <Loay> please give me the dell laptops website link....
[09:21] <Loay> [deXter]: do you have any laptop linkx for dell?
[09:21] <syntroPi> the_dark_knight, it can be used to "daemonize" console programs such as creating pidfile and such
[09:21] <Rootbrian> linux_noob: I'm not sure what else that can be done. Can I suggest burning a live CD on a CD-R/RW disc and booting from it and trying again?
[09:21] <syntroPi> its not sysV or upstart its a wrapper
[09:21] <[deXter]> Loay, just go to dell.com and take your pick
[09:22] <Rootbrian> Loay: http://www.dell.com/
[09:22] <Loay> ok
[09:22] <linux_noob> Rootbrian: Unfortunately, no optical drive on this laptop. Only option is USB.
[09:22] <[deXter]> Loay, if you want a good value for money, look for machines that have AMD Fusion APUs like the AMD E-450
[09:22] <Loay> ok
[09:22] <Loay> AMD is best processor?
[09:22] <Rootbrian> linux_noob: connect a usb cd drive maybe?
[09:22] <[deXter]> Loay, if you're on a limited budget, yes.
[09:22] <linux_noob> Rootbrian: Thanks anyways for the help, I'll look in to it further. From what I have found so far it's a new feature included in Ubuntu 12.10
[09:22] <syntroPi> the_dark_knight, in the past it was often used to integrate console programs as services in sysV init scripts easily
[09:22] <linux_noob> Rootbrian: Don't own one.
[09:23] <Loay> [deXter]: ok got it
[09:23] <Rootbrian> linux_noob: I suggest now using 12.04.1 LTS.
[09:23] <_cronus_> the_dark_knight, there is no way you can ask the kernel fro a specific pid. there is no such option in the kernel
[09:23] <the_dark_knight> syntroPi: but can I assign my own pids?
[09:25] <the_dark_knight> _cronus_: i get it. I 'll refrase my question with updated requirements wait.
[09:26] <ryannathans> when you ssh into a computer you get information about the system state
[09:27] <ryannathans> how cna you get that again withuot reconnecting
[09:27] <Rootbrian> ryannathans if it's cached, yes. I haven't used ssh before.
[09:27] <syntroPi> the_dark_knight, nope afaik the kernel does that, but you can let it create a pid file in /var/run for the child process with it
[09:29] <the_dark_knight> _cronus_: syntroPi , kushal_kumaran , here is my sample.conf for upstart http://www.bpaste.net/raw/kpGVFaV8o3wIhao8lH63/, and here is sample.sh http://www.bpaste.net/raw/watm7BM9rEzkX4amlHcF/ . Now I want to execute Worker.py in sample.sh some number of times and keep them up and running with sample.conf of upstart. Now It is ok with only one "python Worker.py" line from sample.sh but how do I do it with multiple executions.
[09:31] <krobelus> hi, I run 12.04 live (from xp parition booted with grub4dos) i use the persistent flag and setup casper-rw ext2 partition that is quite small. Q: How do I merge the ext2 casper-rw in the squash to free up space and maybe move it to another system?
[09:31] <syntroPi> the_dark_knight, you have to for them to background and keep track of the pid's
[09:31] <kushal_kumaran> the_dark_knight: see the upstart cookbook at http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/ for jobs with multiple running instances
[09:32] <syntroPi> the_dark_knight, maybe you can use the "&" operator to fork it to background and then use LASTPID=$(echo $!) for tracking pids
[09:32] <Rootbrian> krobelus: Mount the windows xp partition, move the data in the /home/ folder to a folder, then remove the filesystem?
[09:32] <kushal_kumaran> the_dark_knight: this section, specifically, should help: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#instance
[09:34] <krobelus> Rootbrian, can I do that from inside the same live ubuntu whos squashfs im trying to modify?
[09:34] <Rootbrian> krobelus: I recommend a liveCD.
[09:35] <juniour> i am getting error while updating
[09:35] <juniour> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1325956/
[09:35] <the_dark_knight> kushal_kumaran: looking into it. but see http://pypi.python.org/pypi/supervisor , I was just reading it. Can I do it from inside the python script or say the shell script - Worker.py / sample.sh . I just want one line into sample.conf
[09:36] <XxX-newbie> hey  yesterday i upgrated to 11.10 . how can i back to 11.04 :)
[09:36] <blazemore> XxX-newbie: You can't
[09:36] <juniour> no back fresh reinstall 11.04 hee
[09:36] <blazemore> You're better off doing a fresh install
[09:36] <Rootbrian> juniour: I'm using a client that can't view links or click them, if it's a dependencey issue, I recommend running synaptic and fixing it from there. File > fix broken packages
[09:37] <juniour> ohhh
[09:37] <juniour> copy it
[09:37] <Rootbrian> Juniour: won't work with highlighting or copying either I'm afraid.
[09:38] <Rootbrian> Juniour: jmirc to be exact.
[09:38] <juniour> Rootbrian i am also using client
[09:38] <Rootbrian> juniour: logged in from my blackberry.
[09:39] <juniour> k
[09:39] <blazemore> juniour: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf && sudo apt-get update
[09:39] <blazemore> This  will delete the older entries and download the latest ones after which the error should no longer be there.
[09:39] <the_dark_knight> kushal_kumaran: ok now I have read the #instnce part. so I suppose I will give BAR=1,2,3,4 . So will it be able to always up and run 1,2,3,4 instances?
[09:40] <juniour> Rootbrian can't open synaptic getting error
[09:40] <Rootbrian> juniour: gksu synaptic
[09:40] <juniour> yep
[09:40] <Rootbrian> juniour: someone provided some info to use.
[09:41] <Rootbrian> thanks to blazemore
[09:41] <juniour> Rootbrian i think i go to recover mode and try to install or remove broken package
[09:41] <slim_> anyone know how to control an iphone 4 with your computer without jailbreaking it or messing with the phone? I got a free iphone 4 with a broken screen that made it stuck at the homescreen and I want to use programs to be able to use it
[09:42] <Rootbrian> juniour: yes, that is your best way to do so, if it doesn't work, what blazemore recommended.
[09:42] <kushal_kumaran> the_dark_knight: when you start a job you will do this: start sample BAR=1, then run start sample BAR=2, etc.  this will make upstart start multiple instances of the "sample" job like these: sample (1), sample (2), etc.
[09:43] <syntroPi> the_dark_knight, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8279848/supervisord-adding-multiple-processes-for-php-and-gearman
[09:43] <Rootbrian> slim_ bring it to a repair shop to replace the screen. It will have to be jailbroken and it's apparently nearly useless without it.
[09:43] <Rootbrian> slim_: useless without the touch screen
[09:45] <the_dark_knight> kushal_kumaran: so in my sample.conf should I write " exec sample.sh -${BAR}" or "exec sample.sh ${BAR}"?
[09:45] <the_dark_knight> syntroPi: this is exactly what I want. good. thanks
[09:46] <kushal_kumaran> the_dark_knight: there is no need to actually *do* anything with $BAR.  just having the instance keyword is sufficient.
[09:46] <the_dark_knight> syntroPi: how do I install this supervisord?
[09:46] <juniour> getting error while update
[09:46] <the_dark_knight> kushal_kumaran: oh i get it.
[09:47] <Rootbrian> juniour: if fixing them does nothing and you have the same issue, clean install. But backup the /home/ folder's contents.
[09:48] <juniour> Rootbrain it a complicated task as in my system 4 os is installed
[09:48] <Rootbrian> juniour: that is if you have a usb hard disk, memory card or flash stick/thumb drive.
[09:49] <Rootbrian> juniour: how many hard drives in system?
[09:49] <cornernote> hello
[09:50] <juniour> only one but size is 1 TB
[09:50] <Rootbrian> cornernote: hello
[09:50] <juniour> four partation
[09:50] <cornernote> i am trying to install mydumper.. if i use apt-get then mydumper doesnt work (it just segfaults), and if i try to compile it, i get an error that i am missing MYSQL_LIBRARIES_mysqlclient
[09:50] <Rootbrian> juniour: I strongly recommend getting a second hard disk installed, having (if mine is the same as your setup) windows on the second one, linux on the first one.
[09:50] <cornernote> im not sure what to try next
[09:51] <juniour> Rootbrain boot loader is of ubuntu
[09:51] <Rootbrian> juniour: two windows installs on secondary, two linuxes on primary.
[09:51] <kushal_kumaran> cornernote: install the build-time dependencies with the command apt-get build-dep mydumper, then try to compile
[09:52] <Rootbrian> juniour: do you have all linux on the drive?
[09:52] <Touhou11> cornernote: Have you reported the segfault as a bug on the "mydumper" package?
[09:52] <juniour> yaaa
[09:52] <cornernote> Rootbrian - will try that now
[09:53] <Rootbrian> juniour: that explains the complications.
[09:53] <cornernote> Touhou11 - yep, but im impatient so looking to see if there is another solution =)
[09:53] <kushal_kumaran> cornernote: might this be the problem you're having: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mydumper/+bug/1006459
[09:53] <cornernote> Rootbrian: it installed some packages .. but same issue
[09:53] <juniour> Rootbrain 1TB divided in to four 250gb
[09:54] <Rootbrian> juniour: if you have the funds, or a spare computer that has a drive or external drive you aren't using, that could be a good step to move the data to that drive. Or consider maybe another drive?
[09:54] <Touhou11> cornernote: Is the -dev version of mysqlclient installed? That'll be necessary for the compilation to find the necessary libraries
[09:54] <juniour> 1-ubuntu ,2-backtrack ,3-win7,4-win 8
[09:54] <cornernote> kushal_kumaran: yep, thats the same as my issue
[09:55] <kushal_kumaran> (note to self: learn to use ubottu)
[09:55] <cornernote> Touhou11 - yes, i installed using apt-get libmysqlclient15-dev
[09:55] <Touhou11> I wouldn't hold your breath on niche software getting bugfixes, most of that stuff is just imported from Debian and never touched after
[09:55] <Jon--_> Is it safe to move around primary partitions with gparted to allow for creating extended partitions in desired locations?
[09:55] <kushal_kumaran> cornernote: there is also a failed to build bug reported for mydumper
[09:57] <cornernote> i have it running on another ubuntu server, but perhaps thats running 11.x
[09:58] <Rootbrian> juniour: two 500GB hard drives would be a wise decision. One with windows installs (like me, a 120GB), the other with two Linux installs (500GB). The windows one can be removed from the system, the main linux one, ubuntu can be reinstalled without affecting it.
[09:58] <FernandoBasso> What is that "Cedar Trail drm driver in DKMS format"?
[09:59] <lxf_> df
[09:59] <lxf_> dfvdf
[10:00] <Rootbrian> lxf: what was the point of that?
[10:00] <Rootbrian> lxf_ what was the point?
[10:01] <Rootbrian> lxf__: what was the point?
[10:01] <krobelus> after installing fglrx  in 12.04, my boot/console resolution  got smaller, how do I get it back to native lcd res?
[10:01] <blazemore> krobelus: Uninstall fglrx
[10:02] <krobelus> i need it for xbmc
[10:02] <Rootbrian> juniour: I believe reinstalling ubuntu on the primary partition shouldn't affect the rest of the drive. Just take note of the /dev/sdxx address.
[10:02] <blazemore> You have to choose
[10:02] <krobelus> xvba acceleration
[10:02] <juniour> yaa
[10:03] <juniour> Rootbrain i will reinstall if i will not able to fix the prob
[10:03] <juniour> well i am trying to fix if i failed i will frsh install
[10:04] <Rootbrian> juniour: good call. But ensure you backup the home folder(s) to a memory card or other backup device just to be safe.
[10:04] <MestreLion> is there a way to install a given .deb (like dpkg -i file,deb) but also pulling dependencies and recommends the same way apt-get install does ?
[10:04] <juniour> yaa
[10:04] <juniour> sure
[10:04] <blazemore> MestreLion: Install the dpkg, let it fail, then run apt-get -f install(as root)
[10:04] <the_dark_knight> syntroPi: kushal_kumaran , take a look at here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8279848/supervisord-adding-multiple-processes-for-php-and-gearman. where exactly is he writing the conf file. I mean which dir?
[10:04] <demo> who can help me ?
[10:04] <blazemore> !ask | demo
[10:04] <demo> i need how to use the IRC
[10:04] <juniour> Rootbrain thanks for your support
[10:04] <demo> who can tell the uButtntu
[10:04] <juniour> i appreciate it
[10:04] <demo> the +[CcfjLnt] what's mean?
[10:05] <mestari> i dont know
[10:05] <blazemore> That's the channel mode, it's not important
[10:05] <demo> thanks
[10:05] <blazemore> demo: ^
[10:05] <blazemore> OK np
[10:05] <demo> the ubuntu is good
[10:05] <mestari> windows is better
[10:05] <demo> yeah
[10:05] <blazemore> Well, that's your opinion demo and mestari
[10:05] <demo> win8 is can be run ARM
[10:05] <blazemore> you're actually both wrong
[10:05] <demo> i want to use WIn9
[10:05] <Rootbrian> don't feed the troll. :P
[10:05] <demo> people wherer are you form?
[10:06] <blazemore> !offtopic | demo
[10:06] <Rootbrian> I want win 100
[10:06] <demo> good
[10:06] <MestreLion> blazemore: that will install the dependencies only, correct? I need to run dpkg again to install the deb?
[10:06] <demo> the windows has been open source?
[10:06] <demo> the windows nt source code?
[10:06] <Rootbrian> demo nope, locked down, walled guarden
[10:06] <mestari> win6 is open source
[10:06] <demo> who konw?
[10:06] <demo> yes
[10:06] <demo> dos has
[10:06] <blazemore> MestreLion: Run dpkg -i filename/deb to attempt to install the .deb. That will fail because of dependencies. apt-get -f install will automatically install the deb for you with dependencies
[10:06] <FloodBot1> demo: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:06] <demo> i don't konw
[10:07] <Rootbrian> juniour: your welcome
[10:07] <demo> i first use IRC
[10:07] <demo> i can't setup
[10:07] <Rootbrian> demo: ?
[10:07] <krofna> apt-get upgrade got stuck on "cryptsetup: WARNING: target cryptswap1 has a random key, skipped". What should I do?
[10:07] <Harry_123> me too
[10:07] <cornernote> i think i'll have to wait for mydumper project to address the bugs
[10:07] <MestreLion> blazemore: sudo apt-get install -f is listing only the dependencies, not the deb
[10:07] <kushal_kumaran> the_dark_knight: *he* doesn't say where he's creating his config file.  If you want to create your own config file, you should look at the supervisord documentation to find out where you should keep it: http://supervisord.org/configuration.html
[10:07] <krofna> Its like this for past 5 mins
[10:07] <cornernote> thanks everyone for helping
[10:07] <demo> the irc is very good
[10:07] <mestari> how can i use IRC with linux?
[10:07] <demo> many people
[10:07] <blazemore> MestreLion: Attempt to install the deb first, then run "sudo apt-get -f install"
[10:07] <demo> no
[10:07] <demo> with windows
[10:07] <demo> it's diffcult
[10:07] <FloodBot1> demo: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:07] <demo> mIRC
[10:07] <demo> is Beep
[10:08] <blazemore> can someone kick demo, seriously
[10:08] <mestari> mIRC? okay
[10:08] <blazemore> that's good too
[10:08] <demo> what's mean?
[10:08] <MestreLion> blazemore: that's what I did... and apt-get install -f is only listing the dependencies that the deb has, it does not mention the deb itself
[10:08] <Rootbrian> kick the troll please.
[10:08] <blazemore> MestreLion: Did you let it install the packages it wanted to?
[10:08] <the_dark_knight> kushal_kumaran: yes.
[10:09] <demo> the people where are you form?
[10:09] <MestreLion> blazemore: not yes... I'm in the confirmation question
[10:09] <demo> just form USA?
[10:09] <MestreLion> blazemore: not yet*
[10:09] <mestari> is there any ubuntu developers in this channel ?
[10:09] <the_dark_knight> kushal_kumaran: I myself was looking at http://supervisord.org/running.html#adding-a-program
[10:09] <blazemore> MestreLion: It'll install the deb after
[10:09] <blazemore> !offtopic | demo
[10:09] <Rootbrian> demo: world wide
[10:09] <demo> yes
[10:09] <demo> word wide
[10:09] <demo> like wike
[10:09] <juniour> Rootbrain i think i fixed h problem
[10:09] <demo> the irc is history?
[10:09] <MestreLion> humm, good. I wish it would mention so before the confirmation question :)
[10:09] <demo> in liunx
[10:09] <Rootbrian> demo: this is a support channel.
[10:09] <demo> or other os
[10:10] <demo> yes
[10:10] <demo> thi is channel
[10:10] <blazemore> Demo you have two choices. Shut up, or leave.
[10:10] <mestari> demo: pls dont troll
[10:10] <demo> the irc server is what?
[10:10] <blazemore> !op
[10:10] <MestreLion> mestari: a lot of ubuntu users are also developers, why?
[10:10] <Rootbrian> demo, stop. Now.
[10:10] <demo> ok
[10:10] <bkerensa> Ok guys lets calm down
[10:10] <mestari> MestreLion: I just thinked is tehe any ubuntu developer channel or is it this
[10:11] <blazemore> /ignore demo is probably easier hehe
[10:11] <Rootbrian> I agree blazemore
[10:11] <MestreLion> mestari: there is #ubuntu-dev I guess... or something similar...
[10:11] <mestari> MestreLion: ok, thanks
[10:11] <bkerensa> !coc | blazemore
[10:12] <MestreLion> mestari: but I think questions about development for ubuntu can also be answered here... unless it's a language-specific question, than you would be better served in the language's channel
[10:12] <jpds> MestreLion / mestari: #ubuntu-devel
[10:12] <mestari> MestreLion: yes
[10:13] <demo> the irc is good
[10:13] <bkerensa> demo: I just talked to you about this.
[10:13] <Rootbrian> demo, what is your agenda?
[10:13] <bkerensa> demo: this is a support channel.
[10:13] <demo> i konw
[10:13] <bkerensa> Rootbrian: I'm addressing this.
[10:13] <demo> i see is joke
[10:14] <Rootbrian> bkerensa: okay
[10:15] <roracle> okay so how can i put Unity at the bottom of the screen?  it's the only UI problem i have
[10:15] <roracle> when i use multiple monitors, i prefer moving my mouse between screens, and unity is in the way visually
[10:15] <Rootbrian> roracle I believe it's latched to the left. It can be hidden though.
[10:15] <livingdaylight> I'm using gnome-shell. Is it possible like one used to previously in gnome2 to have the time/date give time of various locations?
[10:15] <kushal_kumaran> the_dark_knight: the supervisord mailing list will have several people more familiar with supervisord.  It is a rather specialized piece of software that most people will not be familiar with.  You can join that mailing list, and search their archives at http://lists.supervisord.org/mailman/listinfo/supervisor-users.  If you're going to use supervisord with any seriousness, you should subscribe to that mailing list.
[10:16] <roracle> i don't want it hidden, it's nice the way it is
[10:16] <Touhou11> roracle: I don't think it's configurable like that
[10:16] <roracle> i just want it on bottom
[10:16] <roracle> what?
[10:16] <roracle> i find that very very very very very very very very very very very very very very hard to believe
[10:16] <roracle> just saying, you know...open source stuff is hardly "locked in and you can't change it"
[10:16] <Volatile> yo. When I try to watch flash videos on youtube in youtube without my AC adapter, my laptop gets a DRM error and segfaults. Why/what to do?
[10:16] <bkerensa> !justask | roracle
[10:16] <Rootbrian> roracle you might want to use a different window manager then.
[10:17] <roracle> i don't want to.  i want to use Unity, but i want it at the bottom
[10:17] <Touhou11> roracle: It's not locked in, someone could recode it you're right... but the Ubuntu devs want people to use it on the left
[10:17] <demo> who can tell me the irc people number?
[10:17] <Volatile> roracle: rotate your screen. Problem fixed. ;þ
[10:17] <demo> just than 100000?
[10:17] <roracle> lol
[10:17] <jpds> !ot | demo
[10:17] <roracle> well the Ubuntu devs are NOT the ubuntu users
[10:17] <Touhou11> roracle: Just use XFCE, makes everything easier
[10:18] <demo> ok
[10:18] <demo> talk Ubuntu
[10:18] <TheLordOfTime> roracle, you could ask them to add that as a customizeable feature :P
[10:18] <demo> people it's work
[10:18] <TheLordOfTime> roracle, feature requests :P
[10:18] <MestreLion> roracle: you mean the launcher, not the panel, right?
[10:18] <Touhou11> roracle: Yeah, because the user all wanted the Amazon search feature /sarcasm
[10:18] <MestreLion> roracle: check here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/33605/can-i-move-the-unity-launcher
[10:18] <roracle> lol true dat
[10:18] <roracle> yeah that method doesn't work in 12.10
[10:19] <Rootbrian> roracle best to use 12.04.
[10:19] <roracle> or at least i haven't been able to get it to work.  can't find the plugin, though it says i have it lol
[10:19] <rupran> good morning guys, do you know why there are no debug packages for the i386/amd64-architecture available for the kernel versions 3.2.0-{30,31,32} at http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/l/linux/ ? is this on purpose or just due to oversight?
[10:19] <Rootbrian> roracle: possible bug?
[10:19] <Volatile> so, any thoughts on how on earth flash can cause me a kernel panic? Seems kinda odd. (And has only appeared on ubuntu.)
[10:19] <TheLordOfTime> roracle, http://askubuntu.com/a/33674/10616  <-- look at that answer there
[10:20] <MestreLion> Rootbrian: not a but... moving the launcher was never an official or supported feature
[10:20] <TheLordOfTime> roracle, Rootbrian:  Mark stated it probably wont happen because its not part of their larger design goals
[10:20] <vitimiti> (·_·)/
[10:20] <Volatile> \☃/
[10:21] <Rootbrian> Volatile: it did the same thing when recording a video two days ago to me. It said "restarting system due to security issue" and it forced a reboot.
[10:21] <MestreLion> TheLordOfTime: that was my answer, which I already posted to him :P
[10:21] <roracle> For crying out loud.  I like the new Ubuntu and all, and it's perfect in so many ways, but ONE TINY LITTLE THING I am not allowed to change or have official support for wanting to change it?  The one...ONE single thing that I would like to change is the ONE thing they've made a huge hubub deal about???????
[10:21] <TheLordOfTime> MestreLion, i'm assuming he's not reading ;)
[10:21] <TheLordOfTime> roracle, mind keeping the attitude polite?
[10:21] <Rootbrian> roracle: that's the reason why I don't use unity anymore.
[10:22] <roracle> I'm quite polite.  I'm not the one 'not supporing' a feature that should be supported lol
[10:22] <Volatile> Rootbrian: my computer stopped X, whined about something with DRM, and when I pressed anything, I got a core dump and kernel panic. No restarts here, just pure brokenness. :)
[10:22] <MestreLion> roracle: you can always disable the launcher and install another customizable launcher, like AWN
[10:22] <roracle> I think they did it on purpose.  Yeah, I'll get involved with this so-called "design" process.
[10:22] <Rootbrian> Volatile: probably an issue with adobe flash.
[10:22] <roracle> I used to think Mandrake did things on purpose just to irritate us, now it's Ubuntu doing it.  ^_^;;;
[10:23] <Rootbrian> Volatile: or X fighting with flash player.
[10:23] <bkerensa> roracle: the volunteers here have attempted to help you and unfortunately you do not like the answers they have offered unless you have another support question please keep in mind this is a support channel
[10:23] <MestreLion> roracle: Ubuntu is a distribuition. You can still customize it any way you want
[10:24] <MestreLion> roracle: if you don't like the lack of customizability of the launcher, don't use the launcher.
[10:24] <roracle> bkerensa: your attitude is ridiculous toward me.
[10:24] <mestari> i think debian is better than ubuntu
[10:25] <roracle> i'm trying to customize it, but it seems i'm locked in.  none of those are "solutions" to my problem, they're "work around"s
[10:25] <Rootbrian> roracle: let's be calm. Might want to take it up with canonical.
[10:25] <bkerensa> !guidelines | roracle
[10:25] <nsanee> I wanted to install ubuntu 12.10 using Wubi, but it behaves weird since it doesn't download anything, prompts for a reboot. After reboot it starts installation but freezes soon after, since it didn't download anything, nor did I have any ISO on my hdd. Tried downloading 12.10 ISO to the same folder, also doesn't help. Any ideas?
[10:26] <lesshaste> in precise I get Package biber is not available, but is referred to by another package. . Is this a bug?
[10:26] <roracle> okay so what's a link i can go to so that i might involve myself in commenting on the design process?
[10:26] <MestreLion> roracle: You have a much more powerful solution: CHOICE. If the launcher does not please you, *use another launcher* ! There are several available in Software Center
[10:26] <Rootbrian> lesshaste: search for it within ubuntu software centre or synaptic if it's installed.
[10:26] <Touhou11> roracle: Canonical have been quite closed about the design process these days... it's their way or the high-way typically. I suggest using an alternative more configurable desktop if you don't like Unity
[10:26] <MestreLion> roracle: you are not "locked in" to that launcher, or to anything in Ubuntu
[10:26] <lesshaste> Rootbrian, I did apt-cache search biber.. is that the same?
[10:26] <bkerensa> roracle: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1200 or speak with mhall119 on IRC.
[10:27] <Rootbrian> lesshaste: probably.
[10:27] <lesshaste> Rootbrian, bug... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/biblatex/+bug/995447
[10:27] <bkerensa> Touhou11: that is not a fair assessment... Contributors who work on Development get plenty of input.  If you wan't to discuss that though I suggest taking it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:28] <cnf> anyone know how i can get the mac address of an interface with libvirt python bindings?
[10:28] <roracle> thanks.  i appreciate the offer of using a different launcher, but as i said i like unity.  the aesthetics of it are amazing, it's just in the wrong position.  i'll contact this "Shuttleworth" character and see what he says
[10:28] <Rootbrian> lesshaste: that blows. :(
[10:28] <lesshaste> yep
[10:28] <lesshaste> ubuntu is not what it used to be
[10:28] <blackshirt> !info tor
[10:28] <lesshaste> I don't think they fix bugs any more
[10:28] <MaTTFuRY> could i use wubi to install backtrack from source image?
[10:28] <iceroot> MaTTFuRY: backtrack is not supported here
[10:28] <Touhou11> bkerensa: Apart from when overwhelming user opinion is ignored, like with the Amazon Search fiasco
[10:28] <jpds> lesshaste: Hmm, wut.
[10:29] <lesshaste> blackshirt, and why would you want to use tor? :)
[10:29] <bkerensa> !#ubuntu | Touhou11
[10:29] <lesshaste> jpds, have you ever reported a bug that was fixed?
[10:29] <Touhou11> !guidelines | brekensa
[10:29] <MestreLion> roracle: if you don't like the launcher, disable it and install  something else (like AWN). If you don't like Unity in general, disable it and install something else (like Cinnamon). If you don't like Ubuntu in general, use another distro :P
[10:29] <jpds> lesshaste: Several times.
[10:29] <MaTTFuRY> says the guy with the nick iceroot ;p
[10:29] <MestreLion> roracle: as you see, there's no lock-in
[10:29] <lesshaste> jpds, can you give one example in the last 2 years?
[10:29] <iceroot> MaTTFuRY: ?
[10:29] <roracle> if i want to use Unity, i'm locked into their unity
[10:29] <roracle> so yeah i am ;)
[10:29] <gordonjcp> if you don't like Unity, it's probably because you fear change and the unfamiliar.  You may be a little autistic
[10:29] <blackshirt> !info tor-sasl
[10:30] <roracle> if i wanted to use XFCE or KDE then i would never have come in here, i would have just installed them
[10:30] <gordonjcp> roracle: stop inventing problems
[10:30] <blackshirt> !tor
[10:30] <Touhou11> !guidelines | gordonjcp
[10:30] <roracle> i'm not the inventor of Unity!
[10:30] <gordonjcp> roracle: if you don't like it use something else
[10:30] <siavoshkc> What is Unity?
[10:30] <rupran> any thoughts on why linux-image-dbgsym packages in the ddeb repo are missing for 3.2.0-{30,31,32}?
[10:30] <Guest2628> op me plis
[10:30] <bkerensa> roracle: I will ask you one last time to please take offtopic discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:30] <gordonjcp> siavoshkc: it's the desktop environment used in "conventional" unity
[10:30] <the_dark_knight> hi, I have appended http://www.bpaste.net/raw/ApbNsLKQLiTEB1oD8B88/ to /etc/supervisor/supervisord.conf . Now when I do sudo service supervisor restart it restarts, but I don't wee my Worker.py running when I see it like "ps -ef | grep
[10:30] <siavoshkc> is the one to create games?
[10:30] <gordonjcp> !unity | siavoshkc
[10:30] <Guest2628> op me plis
[10:31] <MestreLion> roracle: you don't need to be the inventor! It's open source! Change the code all the way you want
[10:31] <jpds> lesshaste: Sure, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1068921 was fixed a few days ago.
[10:31] <lo> #fuck
[10:31] <Diamondcite> lo: You are not properly recognized as a member of the ubuntu irc staff?
[10:31] <roracle> sorry, didn't know the design of an operating system that an IRC channel is talking about was considered off topic.  maybe i should speak of lord of the rings and tell the story of margaret thatcher from an American point of view and that will be more on topic.
[10:31] <siavoshkc> !notunity
[10:31] <leotr> hi! what are limitations of wubi? is it so bad?
[10:32] <siavoshkc> !notunity|siavoshkc
[10:32] <Rootbrian> why can't people use the proper channels. -.-
[10:32] <yudha> jembut
[10:32] <cairne> leotr: I have used wubi sevearl times, if you don't feel like partioning off your hdd then its pretty easy but there is a max hdd space you can give to it
[10:32] <blackshirt> what is mean for rtt, round trip time, ?
[10:33] <dwarder> by default ext4 fs is mounted read only?
[10:33] <dwarder> how do i make it rw?
[10:33] <jpds> lesshaste: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/930962 recently got a workaround.
[10:33] <gordonjcp> blackshirt: how long is a piece of string?
[10:33] <dwarder> i have a usb hdd
[10:33] <leotr> caime: seems like okay... what about chmod-like commands, will they work?
[10:33] <jpds> lesshaste: It affected me, and I got a fix. So please don't talk nonsense about not fixing bugs.
[10:33] <siavoshkc> where can i find my unity version?
[10:33] <Volatile> Rootbrian: probably, yes. Strange that it would lead to a kernel panic, though. Haven't had one of those caused by software error ever before.
[10:33] <lesshaste> jpds, a) I am impressed you got things fixed and b) it's not nonsense
[10:33] <VlanY> hi guys, could someone help me with 12.10 ??  I would like to know how i can get the same fading effect that there is on 12.04 by default
[10:34] <lesshaste> jpds, I have reported a lot of bugs and they just languish mostly
[10:34] <jpds> lesshaste: Such as?
[10:34] <the_dark_knight> hi guys, I have appended http://www.bpaste.net/raw/u8qTdIxF3vFRPlMY49YB/ to /etc/supervisor/supervisord.conf . Now when I do sudo service supervisor restart it restarts, but I don't see my Worker.py running when I see it like "ps -ef | grep Worker.py" . basically I want *numprocs* number of gearman workers to be always up and running. how do I do that? please help!
[10:34] <cairne> VlanY: what do you mean fading effect?
[10:34] <bkerensa> lesshaste: do you have a support question?
[10:34] <lesshaste> bkerensa, good point :)
[10:34] <lesshaste> for some reason pdflatex can't find biblatex.sty. What is the environment variable that controls where it looks in linux?
[10:34] <lesshaste> bkerensa, ^^
[10:35] <lesshaste> jpds, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/884210
[10:36] <lesshaste> jpds, that's a typical example. Nothing happens
[10:36] <Rootbrian> wubi is best used with internal hard disks, as far as I know.
[10:36] <jpds> lesshaste: Kernel bug, has to be fixed by the upsteam kernel developers.
[10:36] <Rootbrian> sorry if I didn't get the username, things don't get cached on jmirc.
[10:36] <domie> how visible is the performance difference between wubi and real partition on hdd?
[10:36] <lesshaste> jpds, right.. so that's mostly the reaction I get... someone upstream ought to fix it and then nothing
[10:36] <bkerensa> lesshaste: do you have the meta package for biblatex installed?
[10:36] <siavoshkc> what does upstream means here?
[10:37] <siavoshkc> what does upstream mean here?
[10:37] <VlanY> cairne: when you iconize smth on 12.10 the fading effect is much slower, i would like it to be fast as in 12.04 if possible
[10:37] <cairne> i thought wubi only works on internal, since its a windows installer and is pretty much a virtual disk isnt it?
[10:37] <jpds> lesshaste: And you have to install one of the packages in: $ apt-file search biblatex.sty
[10:37] <bkerensa> lesshaste: thats a upstream bug
[10:37] <Rootbrian> domie: I'm not really sure. Wubi uses an image I believe. Not as good as an actual partiiton.
[10:37] <jpds> lesshaste: So forward it upsteam!
[10:37] <MestreLion> siavoshkc: "upstream" in open-source development means the original developer of a given package
[10:37] <the_dark_knight> kushal_kumaran: need your expertise.
[10:37] <lesshaste> jpds, sure but this was my point
[10:37] <jpds> lesshaste: Anyway, you probably want to install: texlive-bibtex-extra.
[10:37] <bkerensa> lesshaste: notably it is reported upstream to Red Hat since its a Red Hat bug so lets not blame Ubuntu.
[10:38] <the_dark_knight> I have appended http://www.bpaste.net/raw/u8qTdIxF3vFRPlMY49YB/ to /etc/supervisor/supervisord.conf . Now when I do sudo service supervisor restart it restarts, but I don't see my Worker.py running when I see it like "ps -ef | grep Worker.py" . basically I want *numprocs* number of gearman workers to be always up and running. how do I do that? please help!
[10:38] <domie> Rootbrian, yeah, it uses a root.disk file, but im just wondering how much faster it would move if it was installed on a real partition
[10:38] <lesshaste> bkerensa, thanks the problem is that I had a strange mix of tlmgr installed and apt-get installed stuff it seems. I can fix it now I think. Thanks
[10:38] <kushal_kumaran> the_dark_knight: you will find people familiar with supervisord on the supervisord mailing list at http://lists.supervisord.org/mailman/listinfo/supervisor-users
[10:38] <lesshaste> bkerensa, the point is just that red hat fix things and ubuntu passes it upstream :)
[10:38] <rupran> i really need the linux-image-dbgsym packages for a project of mine, preferably for the most recent kernel in precise (3.2.0-32), but the ones for 3.2.0-30 through -32 are not available in the ddeb repo... is that a bug?
[10:38] <Rootbrian> domie: probably very fast, as fast as the USB speed is, 48 megabytes per second (480 megabits is the rating)
[10:39] <siavoshkc> MestreLion: can you explain more please?
[10:39] <bkerensa> lesshaste: that is a upstream bug and Red Hat marked it WONTFIX
[10:39] <lesshaste> bkerensa, I saw :(
[10:39] <lesshaste> bkerensa, so I suppose ubuntu should do the same?
[10:39] <Rootbrian> domie: I believe USB is faster than IDE/PATA/ATA.
[10:39] <bkerensa> lesshaste: Plenty of bugs are fixed every single cycle... I fixed about 10-15 a cycle myself.
[10:39] <MestreLion> blazemore: ok, it looks like the deb was installed. what would be the command to check its status? (since apt-cache policy works only for repo packages, not deb ones)
[10:40] <cairne> VlanY: I think you can adjust things within the compiz manager but the delay may be a graphics card issue
[10:40] <VlanY> cairne: even tought i used 12.04 with the same hardware?
[10:41] <Rootbrian> vlany it depends on the GPU speed of the graphics card too.
[10:41] <MestreLion> siavoshkc: the "upstream" of a given software is the original developer of that software. When we say a bug is an "upstream bug" it means the bug is present in the original code, it is not a fault of ubuntu's integration
[10:41] <lesshaste> bkerensa, that's great! thanks
[10:41] <cairne> VlanY: I know they made some changes to how unity works for 12.10 as they did away with the 2d animation, its possible that its using a 'virtual' gpu through your cpu and not using your gpu
[10:41] <lesshaste> bkerensa, it is true that ubuntu has fewer devs than red hat though right?
[10:42] <MestreLion> siavoshkc: and "forward upstream" means "instead of just reporting the bug to Ubuntu, also report it to the original developer"
[10:42] <bkerensa> lesshaste: yes and I can't discuss this here if you wan't to discuss it please join #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:42] <siavoshkc> Ubuntu is based on Red Hat?
[10:42] <lesshaste> bkerensa, sure
[10:42] <cairne> VlanY: not sure if this is what you are talking about but this might help http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/10/how-to-speed-up-ubuntu-12-10-minimize-animation
[10:42] <nazghoul> hey
[10:43] <Rootbrian> ubuntu is based on debian.
[10:43] <VlanY> cairne: it's weird cause when i drag arund a window it's very smooth... btw i'm using the integrated VGA on i5 processor (should be ati HD3000 or smth like that) how can i see if it's actually using that GPU?
[10:43] <nazghoul> how i can make xchat shows me the users in left or right panel
[10:43] <MestreLion> siavoshkc: no, Ubuntu is based on Debian, altough some software in the repository may have been developed by Red Hat
[10:43] <nazghoul> or i cant?
[10:44] <siavoshkc> Thats what I thought
[10:44] <MestreLion> nazghoul: no idea... better asked at #xchat
[10:44] <siavoshkc> Thanks
[10:44] <cairne> VlanY: did you install the ati drivers, if its one of those cpu/gpu combo's like for laptops and now some desktops, i have not encountered that before, not sure how to switch to that
[10:45] <dzup> hllo i install the ubuntu precise kernel that runs optimuze for multimedia apps, i can not recall whats the name of that but my cpu just runs way too hot, how can i disable and return to the normal kernel? am using presice amd64
[10:45] <VlanY> cairne: no i didnt install any proprietary or custom drivers so far, i just installed 12.10 yesterday. Btw it's a desktop PC, not a laptop. Do you think i would have to install custom drivers?
[10:46] <Rootbrian> dzup: do you have a kernel selection before booting?
[10:46] <dzup> Rootbrian, i erase all previous kernel, sorry i dont
[10:47] <kushal_kumaran> the_dark_knight: if you want to use upstart, try a config file like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1326072/ (let's call it gearman-worker.conf), and then run sudo start gearman-worker GRMAN_INST=1
[10:47] <asdfDude> Hello guys, im trying to recover my external drive, but no luck so far. Can you tell me whether im doing it right? (dont want to spam the chat so here is a link: http://pastebin.com/REmHt0r8 )
[10:47] <Rootbrian> dzup: I recommend, If you don't see the grub screen, press and hold shift for a few seconds to get the menu, then select Previous Linux Versions.
[10:47] <cairne> VlanY: I would install the ATI drivers and see if that improves it, may just be that its not fully using opengl through your card
[10:48] <Rootbrian> dzup: wait for the next kernel update to be released and then, ensure you don't remove the older ones.
[10:48] <ecataranciuc> asdfDude: It looks like it is dead.
[10:48] <dzup> root____2, i dont have any previos kernels, i erase them all old kernels, i just want to install the amd64 regular kernel, not the one to run video stuff because my cpu runs way too hot
[10:48] <dzup> Rootbrian,
[10:49] <OpenSorce> I have an old old tablet, I want to update it from 8.04 to 9.10. (No I don't want anything newer than 9.1 just trust me) Is there an easy way to do this?
[10:49] <MestreLion> dzup: so open software center and install linux , linux-image, linux-headers, etc
[10:49] <Rootbrian> asdfDude: if it's making a click click click click click *pause* click click click click click, it's dead.
[10:49] <VlanY> cairne: ok, but you think i should also install any motherboard drivers? i don't even think i can find any...
[10:49] <cairne> VlanY: http://askubuntu.com/questions/202857/cant-install-ati-proprietary-drivers-in-12-10 seems there have been some issues with 12.10 and ati cards, you may need to wait for a fix
[10:50] <Rootbrian> MestreLion /slapshead why didn't I think of that.
[10:50] <asdfDude> yes, but i can still recover the files with Photorec (but names and folders are not preserved) or view them with another recovery software (expensive )
[10:50] <ecataranciuc> asdfDude: Have you tried to copy them directly?
[10:50] <Dino901> I have broken my byobu config somehow and cant get it fixed.  Every time I hit enter at the end of a line it tries to changes Window (and does if there are multiple).  Have deleted .screenrc and .byobu and problem still recurs.  Anyone have any ideas for me?
[10:50] <MestreLion> dzup: also, it's *very* risky to remove old kernels before you fully test the new ones... specially if using a custom kernel. Why the hell did you do that?
[10:50] <cairne> VlanY: I believe if you go into the update screen it should ask if you want to use ati properitary drivers, could try that
[10:51] <Rootbrian> asdfDude: I recommend seeing if linux can see the drive and mount it at all via a usb enclosure.
[10:51] <dzup> MestreLion, trying to save space and inexperience i guess
[10:51] <asdfDude> the drive isnt mounted automatically when i plug it in, but its listed under  proc/partitions
[10:51] <ahtmly2k> HELP: I have just done a clean install of 12.10.. Everything's fine but now I can't access/mount my other drives.. Any workaround?
[10:52] <MestreLion> dzup: it's not inexperience, since inexperienced users don't even know how to remove a kernel
[10:52] <OpenSorce> I want to upgrade from 8.04 to just 9.1. The update manager is only offering 10.04, is there an easy way to upgrade to 9.10?
[10:52] <VlanY> cairne: i will do that as soon as i come back home. Thank you man, you've been really helpful :)
[10:52] <Rootbrian> opensorce: I don't think so.
[10:52] <cairne> VlanY: Hopefully it will help, I'm still on 12.04 on my desktop, but not sitting at that atm, the most my laptop can handle is lubuntu lol
[10:53] <OpenSorce> Of course not, what was I thinking... thanks for the reply rootbrian
[10:53] <jrib> OpenSorce: both of those versions are no longer supported.  You should upgrade to a supported version (for example 10.04 is supported until April 2013 on the desktop)
[10:53] <ahtmly2k> I get a "Unable to mount ahtmly2k_3tb_001" error message and "Adding read ACL for uid 1000 to `/media/ahtmly2k' failed: Operation not supported"
[10:53] <MestreLion> dzup: and saving space does not make sense either... each kernel is like 30~50MB... you need 20 kernels for 1GB, which is still very small if you're dealing with multimedia files and apps
[10:54] <Rootbrian> opensorce: 12.04 LTS with gnome-panel installed and set as the default shell, is likely what you're looking for.
[10:54] <MestreLion> OpenSorce: 9.10, really?
[10:54] <cairne> I seem to be in the miniority but I have no issue with Unity
[10:54] <dzup> i guess i gone go back to google ...looks like i have to search this one myself ...i rmember using apr-get install monolitip-kernel or something like that, i dont have graphic stuff, this box is only console
[10:54] <OpenSorce> Old tablet, proc and pen are not supported well past 9.10....
[10:55] <MestreLion> dzup: console-only? Then why are you installing a custom multimedia kernel on it?
[10:55] <Rootbrian> opensorce: resistive touch screen?
[10:55] <atiti> holy moly, ppl still run 8.04
[10:56] <OpenSorce> Nah, Fujitsu stylus on an old Compaq with a Transmeta Crusoe 5800 proc
[10:56] <MestreLion> OpenSorce: any reason to prefer 9.10 over 10.04 (which is an LTS) ?
[10:56] <VlanY> cairne: i upgraded to 12.10 cause i was experiencing system crashes overy once in a while with 12.04 and i've been told that the 3.2 kernel had some issue with Ivey Bridge processors
[10:56] <nazghoul> hey guys i have a question.i've downloaded the real xchat for ubuntu (not the gnome one)
[10:56] <nazghoul> and now im wondering how i can make fast way to run it instead every time run it from terminal console?
[10:57] <jrib> OpenSorce: you've tried 12.04 on the device?
[10:57] <MestreLion> OpenSorce: 10.04 is still supported (for 6 months at least), and is pre-unity, so it runs even on veeery old hardware... I see no point usign anything before it
[10:57] <jrib> nazghoul: what do you mean by "downloaded the real xchat"?
[10:57] <OpenSorce> jrib, 12.04 does not support this proc
[10:57] <jrib> OpenSorce: what processor?
[10:57] <OpenSorce> Nah, Fujitsu stylus on an old Compaq with a Transmeta Crusoe 5800 proc
[10:58] <cairne> VlanY: Oh ok, I don't really know i'm still on core duo lol
[10:58] <MestreLion> nazghoul: err... using dash or pin it to launcher?
[10:58] <OpenSorce> Westrelion, yeah I tried 10.04. The pen won't work. Can't find any documentation of anyone getting it to work past 9.10
[10:58] <Rootbrian> opensorce: I have a fujitsu lifebook p1500 :D
[10:59] <jrib> OpenSorce: that seems like it would just be a kernel issue if it's true
[10:59] <OpenSorce> Rootbrian, cool
[10:59] <VlanY> cairne: btw i don't know what you think but i'm really upset with the new policy of 12.10 that enforces the partnership with Amazon
[10:59] <MestreLion> VlanY: enforces?
[10:59] <cairne> VlanY: you can uninstall the shopping lens
[10:59] <dzup> MestreLion, its okay dude, i can not explain you how i get into this, am asking how to resolved, thank you , its okay, i will keep searching how to enable my default amd64 kernel
[11:00] <nazghoul> MestreLion ,how i can pin it to launcher
[11:00] <OpenSorce> jrib, the kernel in 12.04 is for i686.  :-P
[11:00] <nazghoul> im new to ubuntu :)
[11:00] <MestreLion> dzup: I already told you how: use the software center
[11:00] <dzup> dont have any x-stuff, i need apt-get command
[11:00] <Rootbrian> opensorce: the touch screen and buttons don't work with any linux, only some of the function keys, no touch screen support either in any linux I tried on it. Same boat as you.
[11:00] <dzup> and the name of the default amd64 kernel i guess
[11:00] <jrib> OpenSorce: my suggestion is that you just rebuild the kernel with the appropriate options.  Or use a different distro (maybe debian?).  You should not be running an unsupported version
[11:00] <nazghoul> jrib ,well i've used before xchat-gnome which is different project then the original xchat for linux
[11:00] <MestreLion> dzup: sudo apt-get install linux linux-image linux-hearders
[11:00] <cairne> VlanY: just run this sudo apt-get purge ubuntu-lens-shopping
[11:00] <OpenSorce> Anyway, I was just hoping there was a config file for update manager that I didn't know about.
[11:01] <nazghoul> i've downloaded the original one ,if you dont like "the real one"
[11:01] <nazghoul> :D
[11:01] <nazghoul> so how i can pin it to launcher?
[11:01] <OpenSorce> Rootbrian, yes it does: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1325644
[11:01] <MestreLion> nazghoul: right-click it
[11:01] <VlanY> cairne: yeah i know you can disable it, but i don't know...  https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/10/privacy-ubuntu-1210-amazon-ads-and-data-leaks
[11:01] <OpenSorce> jrib, thanks for the suggestion
[11:01] <MestreLion> nazghoul: right-click it > "Lock to launcher"
[11:02] <nazghoul> hmm cant
[11:02] <cairne> VlanY: don't disable it just remove it, that would be my best suggestion, i believe if you just remove the shopping lens then the other lens's will still work
[11:02] <ahtmly2k> hmn.. still no answer..
[11:02] <ahtmly2k> bye
[11:02] <Rootbrian> opensorce tried it with 12.04 LTS, didn't work even with 10.04 Lts. :P
[11:03] <MestreLion> nazghoul: both xchat and xchat-gnome are gtk apps, not console ones. You can use the terminal, but you don't need to. You can always use the dash (Ubuntu's "menu"), like any other software
[11:03] <OpenSorce> Rootbrian, I know... the last version the fpit driver worked with was 9.10
[11:03] <dzup> MestreLion, sudo apt-get install linux linux-image linux-headers-3.2.0-32-generic    since give me a list of availables kernel on the linux-headers deal, thats the newest, correct?
[11:03] <VlanY> cairne: ok i'll try that too :)
[11:03] <nazghoul> yes but i cant find the way to "lock in launcher"
[11:03] <nazghoul> im right clicking on it and there is another menus
[11:03] <blazemore> nazghoul: Open the app, right-click the launcher icon and choose lock to launcher
[11:04] <blazemore> (or similar)
[11:04] <OpenSorce> Anyway, I'll figure something out....
[11:04] <nazghoul> how to open the app ,when im already in the xchat?
[11:04] <blazemore> nazghoul: Is there an icon for it on the dock when it's open?
[11:04] <cairne> if you open the app, then once its on the launcher right click and lock to launcher
[11:04] <nazghoul> on the top?
[11:04] <Rootbrian> opensorce: I bid you some luck. :)
[11:04] <MestreLion> dzup: don't specify kernel versions, let apt-get pick that for you. simply linux linux-image linux-headers is enough
[11:04] <blazemore> nazghoul: No, on the dock
[11:04] <nazghoul> nope
[11:04] <moss4353432> hi room
[11:04] <nazghoul> there isnt
[11:05] <nazghoul> i runned the xchat from terminal.
[11:05] <Rootbrian> moss4354324 hey
[11:05] <OpenSorce> Rootbrian, thanks man! I set it up on the same model tablet for someone else a few years back. Sadly, update manager wants me to have 10.04 this time around
[11:05] <dzup> MestreLion, actually does http://paste.ubuntu.com/1326124/
[11:06] <MestreLion> nazghoul: so what? there's still an icon for its window in the launcher
[11:06] <nazghoul> im confused
[11:06] <nazghoul> cuz i cant find it
[11:06] <nazghoul> i know what you mean with "lock in launcher"
[11:06] <nazghoul> but i cant make it for the xchat
[11:06] <Rootbrian> opensorce: maybe compiling the drivers for the later kernel might work in later distros?
[11:06] <MestreLion> dzup: it's normal. that's apt-get selecting a version for you
[11:07] <dzup> MestreLion, but doesnt do anything like this:   sudo apt-get install linux linux-image linux-headers |  pastebinit
[11:07] <dzup> E: Package 'linux-headers' has no installation candidate
[11:07] <dzup> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1326124/
[11:07] <dzup> macuarro@alex:~$
[11:07] <Rootbrian> opensorce: then again, never have done such a thing myself anyways.
[11:07] <OpenSorce> One guy has made a kernel module that works but only in Arch. I don't want arch and I doubt this old proc will be very good at compiling
[11:08] <Rootbrian> opensorce: it would take quite a while to process it all.
[11:08] <OpenSorce> It's a vanity thing. I have a tablet with a chip designed in part by Linus himself. It's going to run Linux and it's going to work well! lol
[11:09] <MestreLion> dzup: sudo apt-get install linux linux-headers-3.2.0-33-generic
[11:09] <nazghoul> ok i've tried.i quit the xchat and icons remove.
[11:09] <nazghoul> so i started it from terminal "xchat"
[11:09] <Rootbrian> opensorce: I guess they didn't think of compiling newer drivers for later kernels.
[11:10] <OpenSorce> Rootbrian, no need. Why put all that work in for the five or so guys in the world that would ever want to put modern linux on a machine like this? :-)
[11:10] <dzup> MestreLion, along with linux-image am guessing that last command right?
[11:11] <Rootbrian> opensorce: a vintage machine to be exact. :)
[11:11] <MestreLion> dzup: no need... linux automatically pulls linux-image for you
[11:11] <OpenSorce> Rootbrian, I'll get it working... or I'll stick a pcmcia nic in it and make it my new router :-P
[11:11] <cairne> OpenSorce: What machine is it?
[11:12] <dzup> MestreLion, ok, 10-4 sir, 0-33-generic is not in my repos, but i got 32-generic am using that one
[11:13] <OpenSorce> cairne, an old Compaq TC1000 with a Transmeta Crusoe 5800 proc
[11:13] <Rootbrian> opensorce: what about a usb mouse, or usb laptop style trackpad?
[11:13] <MestreLion> dzup: now reboot and you may see a list of kernels
[11:14] <dzup> MestreLion, roger that, brb thank you sir
[11:14] <Rootbrian> opensorce: awesome tablet pc. Save value as the fujitsu.
[11:14] <OpenSorce> Rootbrian, It has the little old school pencil eraser type mouse thing on it's keyboard... I just want the stylus to work
[11:15] <cairne> OpenSorce: its amazing that use to be cutting edge specs not to long ago
[11:15] <mIRC717ITA> ciao
[11:15] <Rootbrian> opensorce: same with me, but I've gotten used to it over time. The vaio P-series $900 netbook was the same. :P
[11:15] <mIRC717ITA> !yava
[11:16] <cairne> back when people didnt think the tablet was going to be viable and that it was a stupid idea to develop it, hope all those tech writers are eating their words on that one
[11:16] <kurus> testing
[11:17] <password2> good day
[11:17] <OpenSorce> cairne, like I said if it wasn't the chip that Linus worked on I wouldn't care so much about it
[11:17] <Rootbrian> cairne: right on. Tablets are everywhere nowadays. Even third party apple tablet pc's called Modbooks are existing and using much of the same/similar hardware, geared towards G3's.
[11:17] <cairne> OpenSorce: just the historical value of it alone makes it a worth endevor
[11:18] <OpenSorce> cairne, exactly :-P
[11:18] <password2> i was wondering if anyone can help me sort out my virtual ubuntu on my tab with remote desktop and lxde
[11:18] <cairne> OpenSorce: Just hope you have a really sturdy wall from banging your head against it as you go along tho lol
[11:18] <OpenSorce> It was a pain to put Linux on it to begin with... netboot is the only option. No media drives and it won't boot from USB
[11:19] <password2> whenever i try to start Qt i get error almost identical to this :http://scotgate.org/?p=240
[11:19] <Rootbrian> opensorce, that must have been a pain to get working.
[11:19] <OpenSorce> cairne, I'm making progress! At the moment touching the stylus to the screen causes the xserver to restart!
[11:20] <Rootbrian> opensorce: getting there. Soon the cursor will be moving.
[11:21] <Rootbrian> password2: might want to be a bit patient.
[11:21] <password2> ok
[11:21] <OpenSorce> Which I ran into that issue with the first TC1000 I setup this way years ago. I fixed it then by upgrading to 9.10 :-P Just wish it was still that easy to do
[11:21] <asmita> dasmita
[11:22] <cairne> OpenSorce: how much did they go for brand new back in the day? like 2k?
[11:22] <jrib> OpenSorce: you can still do it... It's just that it's not supported
[11:23] <Rootbrian> opensorce: I'm aware you've scoured the web for some form of a linux driver for later distros to be able to work with 10.04 and 12.04.
[11:23] <OpenSorce> cairne, Oh yeah... I was pissed when Transmeta hired Linus because I couldn't afford one of these
[11:23] <_mak> any one know an diagram application that supports line jump (http://images.visual-paradigm.com/docs/vpuml_user_guide/11/1283/33/90/arc_option_6298.png)?
[11:23] <the_dark_knight> hi guys, I have appended http://www.bpaste.net/raw/5iQcPajumlyQsn6xJQ98/ to /etc/supervisor/supervisord.conf but I don't see it printing anythin to supervisor.txt? please help.
[11:24] <OpenSorce> jrib, all due respect... once I figure out how to get 9.10 on this thing I won't need support. It'll be the novelty tablet that I jot notes on and such
[11:25] <Rootbrian> opensorce: I meant lifebook p-1501. Lol
[11:25] <OpenSorce> Rootbrian, I'm looking at this all wrong... I just consider using my stylus as a new method of the old ctrl-alt-backspace that use to bring down Xervers!
[11:25] <jrib> OpenSorce: well just keep in mind you won't be getting securite updates.  So I wouldn't have this thing connecting to the outside world.  LTS releases by default will only prompt for upgrades to other LTS releases.  This is an option you can change in software sources (or find the file /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades (in current releases anyway)).  Then you'll have the problem that the repositories for
[11:26] <jrib> 9.10 aren't hosted anymore.  You can find them at old-releases.ubuntu.com.  See ubottu for more details.
[11:26] <jrib> !upgrade > OpenSorce
[11:26] <Rootbrian> opensorce: if it was capacitive, the screen would work right away.
[11:26] <the_dark_knight> please somebody help me out on supervisord? I have appended http://www.bpaste.net/raw/5iQcPajumlyQsn6xJQ98/ to /etc/supervisor/supervisord.conf but I don't see it printing  anythin to supervisor.txt?
[11:26] <OpenSorce> Wow a pm from the bot... thanks :-)
[11:26] <jrib> OpenSorce: I still think if I were in your shoes I would try debian instead or try building a kernel that supports it on a supported release of ubuntu
[11:28] <OpenSorce> jrib, I realize that. What I was hoping for was a release that made the stylus work. Doesn't look like I'm gonna get that so yeah, I'll probably go back to 10.04
[11:28] <OpenSorce> Also, for the record. I have a webserver up right now running Slack 3.0 with Kernel 1.x.x on a 486
[11:29] <Rootbrian> opensorce: that's a vintage server.
[11:29] <OpenSorce> It's been up for more than 11 years and has never been compromised.
[11:29] <jrib> not sure what your point is :)
[11:30] <OpenSorce> jrib, the point is I think I'm okay security wise
[11:30] <Rootbrian> that's 1 year yonger of runtime than my 12 year old P4.
[11:30] <jrib> OpenSorce: I don't understand why you would think that.  Security issues are patched all the time
[11:30] <OpenSorce> jrib, okay
[11:31] <blazemore> OpenSorce: How do you know it's never been compromised?
[11:31] <OpenSorce> Because I invited all of my friends from #hackphreak on the Undernet to bring it down. No one could.
[11:32] <OpenSorce> It has unique security features
[11:32] <the_dark_knight> please somebody help me out on supervisord? I have appended http://www.bpaste.net/raw/5iQcPajumlyQsn6xJQ98/ to /etc/supervisor/supervisord.conf. when I do sudo supervisorctl restart echo, it says echo: ERROR (no such process)
[11:33] <unrar> heya
[11:33] <OpenSorce> Anyway, no easy route to upgrade from 8.04 to 9.10 I get it. I'll figure something else out. Thanks so much for the input guys!
[11:34] <Rootbrian> opensorce: your welcome. Best of luck.
[11:34] <OpenSorce> jrib, great job encouraging new folks to use LTS versions man. Well done :-)
[11:34] <OpenSorce> Rootbrian, thanks man. I'll stop in here and give you shout if I get it working
[11:35] <gordonjcp> OpenSorce: both 9.10 is long dead
[11:35] <gordonjcp> OpenSorce: 8.04 is iirc only supported on servers
[11:35] <Ashtray777> where is the off topic channel
[11:35] <crizis> OpenSorce, you can upgrade directly to 10.04 from 8.04, though
[11:35] <Rootbrian> opensorce: I'll try to be in here more often either from a computer or my blackberry via jmirc (can't copy/paste, click links).
[11:35] <DJones> !ot | crizis
[11:35] <gordonjcp> Ashtray777: #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:35] <Ashtray777> thanks
[11:36] <crizis> !ot | DJones
[11:36] <OpenSorce> gordonjcp, crizis you guys walked in on the tail end of this discussion..... but thanks for the input
[11:36] <gordonjcp> OpenSorce: why not just go with 12.04, which is the current LTS?
[11:36] <Ashtray777> !linux | crizis
[11:36] <DJones> crizis: Sorry that was meant for Ashtray777
[11:36] <the_dark_knight> please somebody help me out on supervisord? I have appended http://www.bpaste.net/raw/5iQcPajumlyQsn6xJQ98/ to /etc/supervisor/supervisord.conf. when I do sudo supervisorctl restart echo, it says echo: ERROR (no such process)
[11:36] <crizis> meh, stop flooding me, everyone :p
[11:37] <OpenSorce> gordonjcp,  it's an old Compaq TC1000 with a Transmeta Crusoe 5800 proc... not supported past 10.04 and the stylus doesn't work in any version past 9.10
[11:39] <OpenSorce> Now I'm gonna leave before I have to answer that question again. You guys really are great at encouraging folks to use LTS versions though. I'm impressed.
[11:40] <AndIrc> i know unetbootin changes the filenames of the kernel but does it change the insides?
[11:40] <cool_boy> Hi there
[11:40] <cool_boy> I am not able to connect my linux 10.10 to a windows system using switch
[11:41] <cool_boy> I am able to connect all other system !
[11:41] <mrgoodcat> using a network switch?
[11:44] <mrgoodcat> apparently it does
[11:45] <cairne> cool_boy: are you trying to connect linux to a windows domain network?
[11:45] <mrgoodcat> oops wrong window. disregard
[11:46] <cool_boy> mrgoodcat : yes a newwork switch
[11:46] <cool_boy> D-Link 8 ports
[11:47] <cool_boy> cairne :yes but i tried with both linux 10.10 to windows 7 and linux 10.10 to linux 12.04
[11:47] <cool_boy> no one is working
[11:47] <cool_boy> what is working for me is linux 12.04 to windows
[11:47] <cool_boy> and windows to linux 12.04
[11:47] <cool_boy> I have  3 systems one win 7. other are linux 10.10 and 12.04
[11:48] <mrgoodcat> sounds like a firewall issue
[11:48] <cairne> cool_boy: windows will not even recognize a linux formated hdd in my experiences
[11:48] <cool_boy> mrgoodcat : firewall in linux?
[11:48] <cool_boy> cairne: there is not a problem in windows system
[11:48] <cool_boy> it is working ,i tested with ubuntu 12.04
[11:49] <mrgoodcat> what service are you specifically trying to connect? fileshares?
[11:49] <cool_boy> just the system with ubuntu 10.10 is not responding ,even if it shows connection established
[11:49] <cairne> are you just trying to tunnel in via ssh? or are you trying to link all the hdd's as network drives so you can access files from either system at any time?
[11:49] <cool_boy> I am not specifying anything , just checking with the ping command
[11:50] <cool_boy> no ssh
[11:50] <mrgoodcat> some systems do not respond to ping
[11:50] <cool_boy> why that so, mrgoodcat?
[11:50] <cairne> is it just a switch or a router/switch?
[11:51] <cool_boy> just a switch
[11:51] <cool_boy> well , I am running openerp at port 8069 in ubuntu 10.10 system
[11:51] <mrgoodcat> my system does not respond to ping requests
[11:51] <password2> is XinputExtensions , something beloning to vnc servers or clients?
[11:52] <cool_boy> If i connect this system with other , and type localhost:8069 in other system
[11:52] <dzup> MestreLion, found it, i think is running a bit better now, but looks like its a kernel bug, i add GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash pcie_aspm=force i915.i915_enable_rc6=1" to my grub and seems bit better now
[11:52] <cool_boy> I can see just heading on the browser tab OpenERP after it, doest forwards
[11:52] <the_dark_knight> hi, my supervisord.conf file is http://www.bpaste.net/raw/n1vx3VMfLkJZaaw3syoB/ like this. but when I execute it like given here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9301494/how-to-restart-only-certain-processes-using-supervisorctl , it gives errors of "no such prcess" please help. I am lost. can't get supervisord to work. Can't find any sample code and full procedure working from internet.
[11:53] <cairne> sorry I have never dealt with just switches, not sure how individual ip's work without a router to move traffic around
[11:53] <ianmthomasuk> Is it possible to install MySQL 5.1.65 on Ubuntu 10.04? Packages.ubuntu.com lists the current version of mysql-server-5.1 as 5.1.63-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[11:54] <cool_boy> cairne : there is no problem in IP assigning,if it is then it resides just in conf files
[11:54] <MestreLion> dzup: that "bug" was fixed ages ago.. what ubuntu version are you using?
[11:55] <cool_boy> is there something like firewall in linux? which can prevent packets sending?
[11:55] <MestreLion> dzup: there was a lot of talk regarding i915 rc6 and pcie issues around natty and oneiric... but I think it was solved in precise
[11:55] <guang_> cool_boy:ip tables
[11:55] <nilzieee> SELinux
[11:56] <unixhacker> cool_boy, ufw
[11:56] <MestreLion> cool_boy:  ufw
[11:56] <cool_boy> how can I allow connections if there is something like that?
[11:56] <adek05> Do you know why since update to Gnome3.6 my mapping caps_lock to escape is not working anymore? Does Gnome again try to mess with my config files?
[11:56] <cairne> does the 10.04 box connect to the internet and ping out?"
[11:57] <mrgoodcat> cool_boy: sudo ufw disable (run this command at your own risk as it completely disables the firewall. NOT RECCOMENDED)
[11:57] <MestreLion> cool_boy: but, if you're behind a router (like most of us are), I reccomend using your router's firewall
[11:57] <cool_boy> no I am not on any router
[11:57] <MestreLion> mrgoodcat: nonsense... ufw is disabled by default in ubuntu
[11:57] <cairne> since hes just using a switch if that switch isnt coming from a router, he would be leaving his system wide open
[11:59] <cool_boy> what I can assure is , there is not a problem in switch,not in wires,not in windows system,not in ubuntu 12.04.......... where it is that is linux system 10.10
[11:59] <food1> Can i remove Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS \n \l from issue and issue net? I just want to hide all the banner for security reason
[11:59] <MestreLion> cool_boy: you might also try gufw, which is a basic and friendly GUI for ufw: sudo apt-get install gufw  (for pictures, see this: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/gufw-simple-gui-for-ufw-uncomplicated-firewall.html )
[12:00] <food1> And add anything there Like "UnknowN LinX 00 \n \l"
[12:00] <MestreLion> food1: what?
[12:01] <food1> MestreLion, I mean deleting the text "12.04.1 LTS \n \l" from /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net ...
[12:01] <Sarajevo> hello
[12:01] <Sarajevo> any ubuntu noobie chan
[12:01] <cool_boy> MestreLion : what that does?
[12:01] <Sarajevo> rookie chan
[12:01] <blazemore> #ubuntu-beginners
[12:01] <blazemore> But here is way more active
[12:02] <blazemore> Sarajevo: I think I remember you
[12:02] <Sarajevo> hey dude
[12:02] <Sarajevo> i finally switched to ubuntu
[12:02] <MestreLion> cool_boy: ok, I guess we were misunderstanding your problem. You were not asking for a firewall in ubuntu you want to use, you asked if ubuntu by default comes with a firewall that might be blocking packages, correct?
[12:02] <Sarajevo> i got sick of win
[12:02] <Sarajevo> ive been using it for 8h straight
[12:02] <Sarajevo> and unity is as confusing as metro on win8
[12:02] <the_dark_knight> hey guys pease help. why can't any of my supervisord jobs run?
[12:03] <Sarajevo> so i switched to kubuntu desktop
[12:03] <Sarajevo> kde?
[12:03] <compdoc> metro is more confusing than unity
[12:03] <Sarajevo> is that a good move
[12:03] <blazemore> Sarajevo: It's a personal choice
[12:03] <mrgoodcat> what's wrong with unity?
[12:03] <the_dark_knight> http://www.bpaste.net/raw/n1vx3VMfLkJZaaw3syoB/  when I run supervisor it doesn't run cat1 or cat2
[12:03] <MestreLion> food1: and why would you want to do that???
[12:03] <Sarajevo> it's confusing and slow
[12:03] <Sarajevo> hey yeah
[12:03] <Sarajevo> i forgot something to ask
[12:03] <Sarajevo> ive been having problems with fonts
[12:03] <blazemore> I move to create a spinoff channel, #ubuntu-circlejerk , where discussions such as "unity sucks lol" can occur
[12:04] <food1> MestreLion, I don't want anyone see my System Information, version etc
[12:04] <Sarajevo> i turned on antialising but still doesnt hep much
[12:04] <blazemore> Sarajevo: Try setting the subpixel smoothing to "full"
[12:04] <MestreLion> food1: "anyone" as in... ?
[12:04] <blazemore> rather than "slight"
[12:04] <Sarajevo> okay
[12:04] <Sarajevo> just a moment
[12:04] <food1> MestreLion, The Nasty Hacker?
[12:04] <Sarajevo> blazemore, and what font would u suggest me to use
[12:04] <Sarajevo> what font do you use
[12:04] <blazemore> Sarajevo: For applications? Whatever the default is
[12:05] <Sarajevo> im using liberatian-mono
[12:05] <Sarajevo> ok
[12:05] <MestreLion> food1: I guess if a hacker is able to access a file in you /etc dir, you have bigger problems then he knowing what you system version is :P
[12:05] <cool_boy_> net disconnected
[12:05] <blazemore> Sarajevo: If it looks good, it is good
[12:05] <the_dark_knight> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9301494/how-to-restart-only-certain-processes-using-supervisorctl this doesn't work in my machine.
[12:05] <the_dark_knight> please help.
[12:05] <MestreLion> cool_boy: ok, I guess we were misunderstanding your problem. You were not asking for a firewall in ubuntu you want to use, you asked if ubuntu by default comes with a firewall that might be blocking packages, correct?
[12:05] <Sarajevo> rgb full, right?
[12:05] <blazemore> Sarajevo: Yes
[12:05] <cool_boy_> yes MestreLion !
[12:06] <Sarajevo> exclude range, turned off?
[12:06] <food1> MestreLion, When Someone connecting to my ssh or trying to logging locally i am not front of my pc. A hacker can go so far if the version he can know
[12:06] <Sarajevo> so far my fav program on ubuntu is wine
[12:06] <MestreLion> cool_boy_: ubuntu does come with a firewall installed, but it is disabled by default (it has no rules and nothing is blocked)
[12:06] <Sarajevo> I need to relog
[12:06] <food1> MestreLion, Is it safe to remove that line?
[12:07] <cool_boy> So not getting why connection is blocked?
[12:07] <MestreLion> food1: that is absurd! First, to connect via ssh you must have ssh server enabled. Second, one needs a user and password there. Third, there are zillions of other ways to find out your OS version other than those files
[12:08] <MestreLion> cool_boy: which connection? what are you trying to do?
[12:09] <cool_boy> I am trying to make wired connection between tow PC's using a switch installed ubuntu on both
[12:09] <food1> MestreLion, Well, Ubuntu boot in text mode then startx. So before logged in anyone can see the banner ... right ? Also I am trying to make it hardened
[12:09] <Titomen> i need some help installing ubuntu 12.04 on raid..some help --guidence
[12:09] <mrgoodcat> Titomen: how far have you gotten?
[12:09] <cool_boy> MestreLion: I have setuped all best of my knowledge,correct ips and all
[12:10] <cool_boy> it sows me connection established in both the PCs
[12:10] <cool_boy> but not able to send and receive packets from one to onother PC
[12:10] <MestreLion> food1: no hacker would see your ubuntu booting before he can *connect* to your machine.
[12:10] <cairne> does network functions even come online during startx?
[12:10] <MestreLion> cool_boy: can you ping each other?
[12:11] <food1> MestreLion, And if he accessed to my computer room and tried turn on it?
[12:11] <cool_boy> thats the problem ,I am not able to ping
[12:11] <MestreLion> food1: then /etc/issue is the least of your problems
[12:11] <cairne> well you can remove the ubuntu logo from the login page if thats what your looking for
[12:11] <Sarajevo> ok
[12:11] <Sarajevo> it's okay now
[12:12] <cool_boy> It says host unreachable
[12:12] <food1> MestreLion, So i can remove that line ... Is it safe ? or Am i n00b?
[12:12] <Sarajevo> thanks
[12:12] <MestreLion> cairne: of course. you have full network support even *without* using X
[12:12] <mN-> food1:  how easy is it to hack linux if they know my real ip?
[12:13] <MestreLion> food1: IMHO you are completely uneducated about what "security" is
[12:13] <food1> mN-, Dunno
[12:13] <Sarajevo> how do i set hotkey for konsole
[12:13] <cairne> MestreLion: I didnt think the dhcp resolved ip addresses until after linux actually boots
[12:13] <cool_boy> MestreLion : it worked one time while testing , but when I pressed ctrl + C, It stopped and never started
[12:13] <n00b982> @food1 I am n00b
[12:13] <mN-> MestreLion:  how easy is it to hack my ubuntu if they know my real ip?
[12:13] <food1> MestreLion, Right
[12:13] <n00b982> dont be making fun of my name
[12:13] <cairne> mN-: depends on if your computer id directly connected to the internet or through a router, the router has a built in firewall
[12:14] <MestreLion> mN-: define "real" ip :P
[12:14] <cairne> mN-: even knowing someones ip, it would still be a decent amount of work, since you would then need to find an open port, an open port that is explotiable
[12:14] <mN-> MestreLion: well not proxy ip but 'real' ip
[12:14] <MestreLion> knowing an IP has nothing to do with security at all
[12:15] <gordonjcp> mN-: pretty much impossible
[12:15] <cairne> mN-: do you have a static ip or dynamic, if its dynamic then it changes every 3-7 days depending on isp ne ways
[12:15] <mN-> cairne: could you do it through irc port?
[12:15] <gordonjcp> mN-: pdp11.gjcp.net - have at it and good lick
[12:15] <gordonjcp> *luck
[12:15] <mrgoodcat> my dynamic almost never changes
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:15] <mrgoodcat> i know that because my domain name is registered to it and it hasn't stopped working in the last year
[12:16] <MestreLion> people from windows world are funny... they are so paranoic about all the FUD... thinking about ips, hackers, antivirus... lol
[12:16] <cairne> mN-: there are exploitable hacks for irc, yes
[12:16] <gordonjcp> mN-: that's a bog standard 12.04 install, hanging off of ADSL
[12:16] <n00b982> my one changes every 4 to 5 days
[12:16] <cool_boy> MestreLion : is it necessary to have Device MAC address automatically in wired connection tab?
[12:16] <cairne> mrgoodcat: if you have a dynamic ip then its leased and it should change
[12:16] <mrgoodcat> mine doesn't
[12:16] <mrgoodcat> it only changes when i disconnect my modem
[12:16] <mN-> gordonjcp:  im not trying to hack anyone, this guy just showed a picture where he is scanning my port and i wonder what he can do o_o
[12:16] <mrgoodcat> which i never do
[12:16] <MestreLion> cool_boy: wait a sec... if you're not using any router at all, who is providing DHCP for their IPs ?
[12:17] <cairne> thats what I was wondering as well MestreLion
[12:17] <cool_boy> MestreLion:I dont know , it is set at automacially
[12:17] <cairne> O.o
[12:18] <MestreLion> cool_boy:  and are the IPs diffeernt yet on the same network mask ?
[12:18] <cool_boy> sorry MestreLion, I said wront ,actually I dont know about it
[12:18] <cool_boy> yes that is
[12:18] <MestreLion> cool_boy: try to ping them by IP first
[12:18] <cairne> mN-: if you think he has your ip address log into your router and release your ip address from your isp and get a new one, then all his efforts are for not
[12:19] <mN-> cairne: okay
[12:19] <the_dark_knight> hi, after copying http://www.bpaste.net/raw/QufNUrMcbdHsspuJCGAq/ like http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8279848/supervisord-adding-multiple-processes-for-php-and-gearman in supervisord.conf. what should I be running to run this task?
[12:19] <MestreLion> mN-: knowing your IP is not an issue... you use your IP for any service you use on the net, so consider it a public information
[12:19] <cairne> mN-: this is true, but if someone is actively probing him, best to throw them off a bit
[12:19] <MestreLion> mN-: and anyone can run nmap on that IP.. again, no big deal, provided you have a sanely configured machine
[12:20] <cairne> could always fire back, see what ip address is connected to you and back track it through nmap
[12:21] <Lova> I haveLOW FPS in Online Videos in browser on old computer. Processor: 1.7 Pentium 4 / Ram: 1 GHz / Videocard: Nvidia Geeforce 440 MX with AGP8X 64 Ram / Video Driver: Proprietory Nvidia Video Driver v. 96
[12:21] <Lova> I have LOW FPS in Online Videos in browser on old computer. Processor: 1.7 Pentium 4 / Ram: 1 GHz / Videocard: Nvidia Geeforce 440 MX with AGP8X 64 Ram / Video Driver: Proprietory Nvidia Video Driver v. 96
[12:21] <cairne> lova: what browser
[12:21] <Lova> all browsers
[12:22] <Lova> Chrome, Ice...
[12:22] <cairne> firefox, chromium can be pretty resource heavy
[12:22] <MestreLion> Lova: what did you expect?
[12:22] <cool_boy> MastreLion : now i gave a try after delete to ping after deleting and creating wired connection again, ir responded
[12:22] <mN-> MestreLion: true but how will he find my new ip so easily if i get it changed? All i do is programming c and check my mail usually
[12:22] <cool_boy> I was getting response in both the systems
[12:23] <mrgoodcat> mN-: ip is public info
[12:23] <MestreLion> mN-: knowing your IP is not relevant at all... anyone can know your IP, so what?
[12:23] <cairne> mN-: everytime you send a packet out you are sending out your ip address
[12:23] <MestreLion> it does not make your machine any less secure
[12:23] <Lova> How have BIG FPS in Videos on Old Computer. On Windows Xp all good!
[12:23] <mrgoodcat> mN-: are you by chance in vantaa finland?
[12:23] <cool_boy> then I wrote <IP_ADDRESS>:8069 in the system which I need to access from other system, it worked till half of the page load and stopped sending packets
[12:23] <cool_boy> now ping too not working
[12:23] <cool_boy> host unreachable
[12:24] <mN-> mrgoodcat:  no helsinki
[12:24] <MestreLion> Lova: because windows XP is a 10+ year OS.
[12:24] <mN-> mrgoodcat:  i know you can dns my irc ip
[12:24] <Lova> And what!??!
[12:24] <dhanasekaran> HI Guys Can I install Ubuntu to my 32 GB USB pen drive?
[12:24] <cairne> lova: try midori, its a very leightweight browser
[12:24] <Lova> u nonadequats
[12:24] <cairne> yes unebootin
[12:24] <MestreLion> dhanasekaran: sure
[12:24] <mN-> cairne: yes but if im not connected to irc or share a program he knows about. how would you find my new ip?
[12:24] <Lova> Any can do normal hemp?
[12:24] <Lova> help
[12:25] <cairne> 32 gb is gonna be a huge flash drive for it tho lol, could easily get away with like an 8
[12:25] <mrgoodcat> mN-: he wouldn't. but MestreLion is trying to say it doesn't matter if he knows your ip
[12:25] <Lova> In Windows XP good FPS, but in Linux bad
[12:25] <dhanasekaran> MestreLion:  please guide me any tutorial is there
[12:25] <MestreLion> Lova: windows XP is a 10+ years OS, so it runs fine on older machines. If you're trying to run a modern Ubuntu, it won't work as weel, this is exppected
[12:26] <mN-> mrgoodcat: yea but he could nmap my ports and use another program to crack if i have open ports lolz(?)
[12:26] <cool_boy> MestreLion : did you get my issue?
[12:26] <arthalion7> hi sirs
[12:26] <dhanasekaran> Guys any tutorial is there for install Ubuntu to my 32 GB USB pen drive?
[12:26] <william_> Hello, i have a computer that recently i can"t boot live cd"s anymore. i dont have any hard drives installed, just a dvd burner to load ubuntu live cds. but now when i boot i get thrown into a busybox cant find live media. any ideas ?
[12:26] <mrgoodcat> Lova: try using lubuntu instead
[12:26] <Lova> i use little distro
[12:26] <Lova> in Lubuntu LOW FPS
[12:26] <cairne> http://mintarticles.com/read/operating-systems-articles/how-to-install-portable-linux-ubuntu-on-a-bootable-usb-flash-drive-from-sun-virtualbox,13641/
[12:26] <arthalion7> how can I force update from 11.10 to 12.10
[12:26] <MestreLion> cool_boy: last time I asked if you can ping machines using IP (and ip alone, not specifying ports)
[12:26] <Lova> Kubuntu > Lubuntu FPS
[12:26] <mrgoodcat> graphics card issue probably
[12:27] <Lova> undestand?
[12:27] <mrgoodcat> drivers
[12:27] <MestreLion> dhanasekaran: no need for tutorials. Just boot a live session, plug your USB and install ubuntu there as if it was an ordinary hard drive. For ubuntu there is no difference
[12:27] <Lova> Flash acselleration not good work for Linux?
[12:27] <cool_boy> MestreLion : Yes I can for the first time when the connection is established
[12:28] <dhanasekaran> MestreLion: Thanks I try
[12:28] <cairne> MestreLion thats new, thought you had to do it through unebootin
[12:28] <mrgoodcat> Lova: you need to make sure you have the proper drivers installed for your graphics card
[12:28] <cool_boy> if I press ctrl + C then if I try to ping again ,it doest works
[12:28] <cool_boy> MestreLion: It shows host unreachable
[12:28] <MestreLion> cairne: to generate an instalablle USB key you do... for installing the system in the USB you don't
[12:28] <william_> Hello, i have a computer that recently i can"t boot live cd"s anymore. i dont have any hard drives installed, just a dvd burner to load ubuntu live cds. but now when i boot i get thrown into a busybox cant find live media. any ideas ? bios rootkit maybe?
[12:28] <william_> im lost
[12:29] <cfhowlett> !patience|william_:
[12:29] <GrapeTheApe> whats the best terminal based program that will proxy (change external ip address)ur connection for free
[12:29] <cairne> MestreLion: sweet you save me from buying one of those sticks from ubuntu website, i could never get installs to work that don't just act as a live system. fedora use to frustrate me so much with that
[12:29] <GrapeTheApe> BESIDES TOR
[12:30] <MestreLion> cairne: also, you don't really need uunetbootin in Ubuntu... there's the USB Creator installed by default
[12:30] <food1> lol again my window got ugly... It is killing me
[12:30] <mrgoodcat> GrapeTheApe: you have to have access to another machine to proxy through first
[12:30] <cairne> MestreLion: so how does boot work with it though, if you just install it, would it be a seperate grub on the flash?
[12:31] <GrapeTheApe> yes i know mrgoodcat...i dont have another machine myself but do u know one that will find one for me besides TOR
[12:31] <MestreLion> cairne: yes. install there and then set BIOS to boot the USB
[12:32] <cairne> MestreLion: Good to know, now I can take my desktop anywhere, does it work if you do a iso copy of your current system?
[12:32] <GrapeTheApe> no one knows huh
[12:32] <MestreLion> cool_boy: I don't know. But first you should investigate how your computers are stablishing their IPs in the rist place, if theres no dhcp server in the network
[12:32] <mrgoodcat> i think tor is the largest and most popular service like that.
[12:32] <GrapeTheApe> tor doesnt seem to work with rtorrent
[12:32] <MestreLion> cairne: define "iso copy of a system" :P
[12:32] <GrapeTheApe> and other services
[12:33] <arthalion7> how can I force update from 11.10 to 12.10? Ubuntu asks me to update to 12.04...
[12:33] <the_dark_knight> hi, please see http://www.bpaste.net/raw/tKWvKn3U89SshyFhiIgA/ I have appended this to my /etc/supervisor/supervisord.conf . but I don't see anythin in echo.log file why. It seems like it is no running it. please help me on this supervisord. Refer http://supervisord.org/subprocess.html
[12:33] <cairne> even tor isn't perfect none of them are, they can track your ip into the tor cloud and on the way out and derive your route
[12:33] <cfhowlett> arthalion7: can't be done
[12:33] <GrapeTheApe> pft
[12:33] <cairne> MestreLion: isnt there an option to make a bootable copy of your own system in Ubuntu, so I dont have to reinstall apps, fonts etc
[12:33] <cfhowlett> arthalion7: clean install 12.10 is the way to go.
[12:34] <MestreLion> GrapeTheApe: define "cchange external address". if you're behind a router, theres nothing you can do about external IP, since this is assigned by your ISP
[12:34] <arthalion7> cfhowlett:thanks! Good to know...
[12:34] <GrapeTheApe> MestreLion something like hidemyass proxy, a VPN, Tor,
[12:34] <Lova> How config xorg.conf for BIG FPS in Video in Browser!?
[12:34] <MestreLion> cairne: you can simply copy the partition and install grub on the USB
[12:35] <usuario> sudo apt-get install wine
[12:35] <Lova> HEY?! Where all pro?!
[12:35] <MestreLion> GrapeTheApe: those are internet services, which by definition must run *outside* your router.
[12:35] <cairne> only way to be completley anon on internet would be to change your mac address connect to public wifi via live cd
[12:35] <GrapeTheApe> mestrelion thats basically what i mean
[12:36] <MestreLion> GrapeTheApe: you can't run them in your machine
[12:36] <Lova> Any can help?
[12:36] <GrapeTheApe> u can run clients
[12:36] <MestreLion> Lova: try using an older ubuntu
[12:36] <Lova> How config xorg for Nvidia?
[12:36] <the_dark_knight> please help me on supervisor >>>
[12:36] <the_dark_knight> hi, please see http://www.bpaste.net/raw/tKWvKn3U89SshyFhiIgA/ I have appended this to my /etc/supervisor/supervisord.conf . but I don't see anythin in echo.log file why. It seems like it is no running it. please help me on this supervisord. Refer http://supervisord.org/subprocess.html
[12:36] <mrgoodcat> Lova: asking 20 times won't help. obviously nobody knows
[12:36] <GrapeTheApe> u know what i mean mestrelion...looking for privacy thats free besides tor
[12:37] <mrgoodcat> or if they do they aren't telling
[12:37] <Lova> i use CraunchBAng now and Lubuntu ewerewhere LOW FPS
[12:37] <GrapeTheApe> anyway i guess theres nothing... thanks anyway guys take care
[12:37] <MestreLion> GrapeTheApe: privacy when surfing the web has nothing to do with IP proxyinng
[12:37] <Lova> CrauncBAng 80 ram use
[12:37] <cairne> MestreLion: Have you ever used remastersys?
[12:37] <Lova> and 0-3 % processor
[12:37] <Lova> why LOw FPS?
[12:38] <jaakka> hi! does anyone know an application for executing one command in multiple locations, lets say vps.
[12:38] <Lova> 80 Mb ram...
[12:38] <MestreLion> cairne: nope, but I have an idea about what it does
[12:38] <mrgoodcat> Lova: i already told you it is probably a video driver problem
[12:38] <jaakka> getting harder to manage as i ownw hundreds of them
[12:38] <mrgoodcat> jaakka: ssh
[12:38] <Lova> i have problem in 2d in videos and only in browsers
[12:38] <jaakka> albeit the configuration of them is similar
[12:38] <cairne> MestreLion: So I should be able to use that boot the live distro I make and then just straight install on a flash, would 8 gig be enough for a full sys install like that?
[12:38] <Lova> i normal watch videos on my hdd
[12:39] <cairne> lova: what exactly do you mean by low fps? how are you determining your fps?
[12:39] <jaakka> mrgoodcat, yes, but if you have like 100++, it takes a while to get all of them executed at the same time
[12:39] <Lova> Any know my problem?
[12:39] <lmg> greetings ubuntu ppl!
[12:39]  * lmg waves hello
[12:39] <Lova> or use deistro not on Debian maybe?
[12:39] <cairne> hey lmg
[12:39] <Lova> Arch good?
[12:39] <MestreLion> cairne: enought? yes. comfortable or adequate for use? no. My mom lived on a 4GB usb for some months, but she never installed any package...
[12:40] <mrgoodcat> if you can't figure out ubuntu good luck with arch
[12:40] <cairne> lova: try gentoo then
[12:40] <mN-> Anyone know math + c ?
[12:40] <unixhacker> gentoo and arch are not what they used to be. terrible actually what they done to arch.
[12:40] <cairne> MestreLion: bah thanks tho, at least it gives me a starting point, been wanting a flash system
[12:40] <Lova> cairne u shit fag troll faggot stfu then!
[12:41] <Lova> idiot
[12:41] <lmg> looking for someone who can help with the desription of software (blender 3D) in the ubuntu software center (maybe repos too).
[12:41] <FloodBot1> Lova: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:41] <lmg> description* - I meant.
[12:41] <MestreLion> mN-: many do, but I doubt here is the better place to ask about that
[12:41] <jaakka> cairne, perhaps something along the lines of MINT or more user-friendly ones were more suitable for him
[12:41] <jaakka> not everyone is suited to building ones system from blocks
[12:41] <unixhacker> jaakka, correct.
[12:41] <cairne> would be able to slim down the system tho
[12:42] <MestreLion> cairne: out of the box current ubuntu uses about 4~6GB... so you would have very little room for new packages or user data files
[12:42] <SirScott> jaakka: fabric allows you to run cmds on multiple servers simultaneously
[12:42] <cairne> MestreLion: yea I was just reading that, I got a 32 lying around somewhere
[12:42] <MestreLion> lmg: description?
[12:43] <jaakka> SirScott, will it work on openvz, i suppose it should as its written in python and doesnt require kernel integration
[12:43] <lmg> MestreLion: yes. there's a typo. also the version is outdated. bad screenshots too.
[12:43] <cairne> lova: try the lxde spin of fedora, it works great on old systems
[12:43] <lmg> who can I talk/chat/mail to?
[12:43] <jaakka> just want to avoid caveats if possible on a production machine
[12:43] <MestreLion> cairne: another, more economic  solution is to use the Live USB with persistance (a casper-rw partition)
[12:44] <SirScott> jaakka: sure, it just needs ssh
[12:44] <cairne> MestreLion: lol everytime I attempt the persistance, it goes horribly awry lol
[12:44] <MestreLion> lmg: you can report a bug asking to fix that, or, if you're willing to, you can download the source, fix it and post a patch
[12:44] <dixoncx> Problem with pulseaudio/alsa. I tried 'Monitor of built-in audio Analog Streo' to record sound from speaker.eg.http://i.imgur.com/D2hJR.png  But now when i change back to 'built-in audio Analog Streo' to use internal microphone, it produce some noice. http://i.imgur.com/c4NDM.png
[12:45] <jaakka> SirScott, thank you for youre time, uve been helpful
[12:45] <SirScott> jaakka: you're welcome
[12:45] <khurram> hi guys
[12:45] <arkiver> I have downloaded eclipse. And I would like eclipse to launch from my unity dashboard. How can I do that ?
[12:46] <lmg> MestreLion: I see. where is the additional info in software center coming from anyways?
[12:46] <cairne> arkiver: once its open, right click on the icon and lock to launch bar?
[12:46] <khurram> i have  It works!  page comming when i type localhost on my ubuntu . how can i know where is the www folder where i can place the prject files ?
[12:46] <arkiver> I know I might have to move it into the /usr/bin
[12:46] <MestreLion> cairne: it's a bit tricky the first time, but it works wonders. My workflow is: create the Live USB using USB Creator, and set a persistense size (it can be as small as 128MB. after it finishes, delete the casper-rw file and creates a huge casper-rw partition. Voila, done :)
[12:46] <arkiver> But not sure
[12:46] <arkiver> cairne, No I want it to be launched from the terminal also. Maybe I have to put it in PATH ?
[12:47] <cairne> MestreLion: so you expand it just by deleting the file or gparted
[12:47] <arkiver> I've followed the process several times. But most of the times without understanding what it is done what is done.
[12:47] <MestreLion> lmg: additional info? all info in software center comes from the package package itself, AFAIK
[12:47] <theuser> Can i have a  disk image file on a remote file server that is encrypted just like my home directory and automatically mounted to somewhere in my home folder?
[12:48] <cairne> arkiver: hmm i know what your talking about but my brain is just hanging on how to word it lol, been such a long night sorry
[12:48] <MestreLion> cairne: USB creator creates it as a file inside the live partition. Mount and delete the file, then use gparted to create the partition... you may expand it  at will
[12:48] <arkiver> cairne, hehe. No probs :)
[12:48] <cairne> MestreLion: Awesome, thanks man
[12:48] <theuser> More specifically,  is there a easy way to do thi
[12:49] <theuser> And could this image file be mounted by more than one computer at the same time?
[12:49] <lmg> MestreLion: pkg info does contain screenshots? if you would be so kind to compare `apt-cache info blender` with the info in the software center, you will see the difference.
[12:49] <theuser> or is it something else i should be doing ?
[12:50] <invisible> hello
[12:50] <invisible> hello
[12:50] <MestreLion> cairne: my setup for the 8GB was: partition 1: 2GB Fat 32 (may be ntfs) for shared data; partition 2: casper-rw ; partition 3 (bootable): ~800MB live cd
[12:51] <cairne> arkiver: are you trying to launch a specific eclipse project or just the ide itself from the terminal?
[12:51] <MestreLion> lmg: apt-cache info shows just a summary. download the whole source using apt-get source blender and you will find it ;)
[12:52] <cairne> MestreLion: thanks!
[12:52] <lmg> MestreLion: I'll give that a shot thanks. The changes I would like to see.. I mail the "Maintainer" (list) about them?
[12:53] <cairne> lmg: would the info be on their site?
[12:53] <mattyh88> hey, i'm trying to create a bootable usb key of (x)ubuntu with this guide: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx but I keep getting "this disk is not readable by this computer" when the files are written to the usb key
[12:53] <MestreLion> theuser: yes, you can auto-mount it either in /etc/fstab or using any script (even fuse for user mounts). Not sure about concurrent mounts, though
[12:53] <lmg> cairne: on blenders site?
[12:53] <arkiver> cairne, The ide...
[12:54] <MestreLion> lmg: it's better to report a bug... that will notify the maintainer, and its easier to follow-up
[12:54] <lmg> MestreLion: alright, will do. thank you for the information.
[12:55] <MestreLion> lmg:  and no, blender site has nothing to do with package descriptions  or screenshots in software center
[12:55] <lmg> MestreLion: I figured, but since cairne asked..
[12:55] <MestreLion> lmg: directly contacting the maintainer is useful only if you already have the patches to fix the issues you find. And even then its better to report a bug, so you can post your patch there
[12:56] <lmg> blender seems to be a debian pkg, with no unbuntu-specific changes.
[12:56] <MestreLion> and it can be automatically imported from there to the package itself
[12:56]  * lmg nods
[12:56] <lmg> I will check the package source, file a bug, attach a patch and hope for the best.
[12:56] <MestreLion> and wrong: there are ubuntu-only patches
[12:57] <MestreLion> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=blender
[12:57] <MestreLion> if the version contains "ubuntu", as in 2.63a-1ubuntu3 , it means it's an ubuntu-only branch
[12:58]  * lmg nods
[12:58] <MestreLion> and I bet you'll find the screenshots there ;)
[12:58] <lmg> I'm running precise here - hence falsly jumped to conclusions
[12:58] <djjeff> talika depends on libpanel-applet2-0 (>= 2.26.0);
[12:59] <djjeff> possible to get this for ubuntu 12?
[12:59] <lmg> MestreLion: should http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/amd64/blender/filelist include the screenshots?
[13:01] <MestreLion> lmg: nope. that is the binary package
[13:01] <MestreLion> you want the source package
[13:02] <lmg> ha
[13:02] <lmg> http://screenshots.debian.net/package/blender
[13:03] <lmg> MestreLion: ^ is where the software-center screenshots are coming from!
[13:03] <cairne> haha, that bunny is hilarious
[13:03] <lmg> cairne: you did see lastyears blender open movie, no? "big buck bunny"
[13:04] <cairne> yes
[13:04] <AdvoWork> is there a way I can test what happens with updates before actually doing them at all?
[13:04] <lmg> 2 years ago, sorry.
[13:04] <lmg> lastyears was sintel
[13:04] <MestreLion> lmg: Good boy ;)  and how did you find that out?
[13:05] <lmg> MestreLion: right hand side on the list of binary pkgs ;)
[13:05] <brontosaurusrex> "Tears of Steel" is the latest blender project
[13:05] <cairne> I try and watch every years blender video, those guys are awesome
[13:05] <cairne> yea tears of steel is showcasing the green screen ability i think
[13:06] <MestreLion> lmg: ok... but I'm not sure if Software Center reads http://screenshots.debian.net/package/ when presenting screenshots
[13:06] <lmg> actually, the new motion tracking + compositing features @cairne
[13:07] <lmg> MestreLion: me neither, but I guess it would be a good place to start adding new ones ;)
[13:07] <cairne> i wish i could play around with blender but actually using the app is way above me
[13:07] <lmg> cairne: steep learning curve, since designed to be effective for advanced users.
[13:07] <brontosaurusrex> cairne: one can do inetersting stuff taken few days of self-education, but not something like big bugs bunny obviously
[13:07] <lmg> what's easy for beginners just hinders pros - so to say
[13:08] <syntroPi> Is there any known way to change a partitions label after its formated with btrfs?
[13:08] <cairne> i would just like to be able to create like a lil 3d logo for my movies with openshot
[13:08] <MestreLion> lmg: how about http://screenshots.ubuntu.com/packages ? ;)
[13:09] <brontosaurusrex> cairne: that should be doable
[13:09] <xSora> anyone her i need Help Please
[13:09] <lmg> MestreLion: what about it? it says debian in both title + header logo.
[13:09] <cfhowlett> !details|xSora:
[13:09] <cairne> xsora: whats going on?
[13:10] <xSora> I Have a Problem With Bootinng Into Windows 7 After Installing Ubunti 11.10 Oneric i Dont get windows 7 in the grub Menu i tried the booot fix but i diddnt work
[13:10] <MestreLion> lmg: oh, sorry, they are aliases :P
[13:10] <lmg> MestreLion: no idea how those are interlinked (Debian -> ubuntu?)
[13:10] <MestreLion> lmg: there you go: http://askubuntu.com/questions/24593/how-can-i-add-screenshots-of-programs-to-the-software-center/24595#24595
[13:10] <cairne> brontosaurusrex, yea once i finish studying python, and web design I want to take a look into 3D modeling
[13:10] <MestreLion> "You can quickly and easily add screenshots to screenshots.debian.net which is the website that the Software Centre gets its screenshots from."
[13:10] <cfhowlett> xSora: 11.10?  end of life, innit?
[13:10] <TheLordOfTime> lmg, Ubuntu is a derivative of Debian.  Most of the packages in Ubuntu come from debina.
[13:10]  * lmg nods
[13:11] <cairne> xsora, open terminal do sudo update-grub i think it is
[13:11] <xSora> I have no IDea what that is
[13:11] <xSora> Okay
[13:11] <lmg> thank you kindly MestreLion, confirms what I was thinking. will do so + submit a bug about the typo in software center :)
[13:11] <cairne> xSora, or it might be grub-update
[13:11] <cfhowlett> !EOL|xSora:
[13:12] <MestreLion> lmg: well, but apart from screenshots, all other info like description comes from the source package
[13:12] <gordonjcp> mN-: I wouldn't worry about it
[13:12] <dixoncx> Problem with internal microphone. Produces noise instead of recording. How to troubleshoot ?
[13:12] <xSora> Oh Okay i FUlly Updated
[13:12] <cairne> did it list off windows 7?
[13:12] <gordonjcp> mN-: as a threat level that's right alongside the "YOUR COMPUTER IS BROADCASTING AN IP ADDRESS" nonsense
[13:12] <MestreLion> lmg: and most of them from the debian/control file inside the source package
[13:12] <xSora> No i didnt Cairne
[13:12] <xSora> it*
[13:12] <mN-> gordonjcp: okay, so what would be a more serious outside threat? :D
[13:12] <lmg> MestreLion: yeah. I wonder how the headline differs in softwarecenter/apt-cache info though.
[13:12] <cfhowlett> xSora: sorry, I was wrong.  11.10 is supported until 04/13
[13:12] <MestreLion> lmg: it does???
[13:13] <TheLordOfTime> cfhowlett, erm...
[13:13] <TheLordOfTime> cfhowlett, 11.10 isnt eol :P
[13:13] <xSora> should i updated to 12.04 ?
[13:13] <TheLordOfTime> 11.04 is though :P
[13:13] <cairne> was 11.04 grub 1 or 2?
[13:13] <TheLordOfTime> xSora, i just got here, what's your issue?  (i only saw cfhowlett try to pull EOL on you)
[13:13] <lmg> MestreLion: that is my point. sorry if I wasn't clear enough. see my very first request: "please compare SWC with pkg info headline" alike
[13:13] <cfhowlett> TheLordOfTime: yes i saw and corrected that bad statement.  but thank you.
[13:13] <xSora> I Cant boot into windows 7 basicaly it isnt in grub  im in 11.10
[13:14] <TheLordOfTime> xSora, sudo grub2-update
[13:14] <xSora> done it :I
[13:14] <MestreLion> lmg: let me check that... what exact packages are you trying?
[13:14] <TheLordOfTime> xSora, did you make sure the windows partition still exists?
[13:14] <cairne> cfhowlett: yea I had them try that first
[13:14] <xSora> yeah
[13:14] <xSora> sudo: grub2-update: command not found
[13:14] <lmg> MestreLion: `apt-cache show blender` vs. Software Center search 'blender'
[13:14] <MestreLion> cairne: ubuntu uses grub2 since 9.10 :P
[13:14] <TheLordOfTime> xSora, pastebin the output of fdisk -l.  and use grub-update.
[13:15] <cairne> can manually edit the grub.conf file if you know the address of the partition of windows
[13:15] <xSora> dik how to paste bin i have  the Boot repair dou want me to run that ?
[13:15] <xSora> ik that has pastebin  report
[13:15] <TheLordOfTime> !pastebinit | xSora
[13:15] <cairne> oh yea i forgot about that utility
[13:15] <lmg> MestreLion: SWC has "3D modeling, animation, rendering and post-production" while pkg has "Very fast and versatile 3D modeller/renderer"
[13:15] <cairne> try boot repair recomended settings
[13:15] <xSora> okay
[13:15] <xSora> i did that too cairne
[13:16] <lmg> MestreLion: SWC headling "modeling" is a typo, at least inconsistent compared to "modelling" in the description.
[13:16] <IdleOne> xSora: sudo apt-get install os-prober && sudo os-prober && sudo update-grub
[13:16] <MestreLion> lmg: wow, you're right. Man... that is weird
[13:16] <lmg> MestreLion: *nods* good, now we are at least talking about the same thing. sorry for being unclear in the first place.
[13:16] <xSora> Idle0ne didd work :i
[13:16] <cairne> xSora: hopefully we can get this figured out ^^ i know how it feels when suddenly you can't get into your other os's lol been there many times
[13:17] <xSora> haha Thanks ^~^
[13:17] <IdleOne> xSora: what didn't work?
[13:17] <xSora> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1326366/ my paste bin i guess from boot repair
[13:18] <xSora> that cmmand u gave mee
[13:18] <MestreLion> lmg: for all I know, both the description in SW and apt-cache show comes from the package's debian/control file. The "headline" is simply the first line in the "Description:" field
[13:18] <MestreLion> lmg: if SC is not using a different source for that, i'm completely unaware of. It certainly shouldn't
[13:18] <lmg> MestreLion: wierd tho, that SWC does _not_ have the first line of the description but instead a different (typoed) one.
[13:19] <syntroPi> Anyone has an idea what is wrong with invoking "btrfs filesystem label /dev/mmcblk0p1 ubuntu" because it gives me "ERROR: unknown command 'filesystem'" WHAT? the man talks about filesystem command...
[13:19] <IdleOne> xSora: did it give you any errors?
[13:19] <xSora> no errrors
[13:19] <cairne> did os-prober work?
[13:19] <xSora> Whats that Cairne ?
[13:19] <IdleOne> xSora: so why do you think it didn't work?
[13:19] <gordonjcp> mN-: well the biggest problem is if you run inherently insecure services
[13:19] <xSora> because the Windows  Boot didnt show in the temrinal o.o
[13:19] <xSora> after ir an the update
[13:20] <TheLordOfTime> xSora, is there an :Other Operating SYstems" option?
[13:20] <IdleOne> xSora: the command I gave you didn't run update
[13:20] <gordonjcp> mN-: like, a webserver on its own is probably fine but if you have a badly-written web app that might allow someone to get at stuff you don't want
[13:20] <mN-> gordonjcp:  ah okay
[13:20] <cairne> sudo apt-get install os-prober && sudo os-prober && sudo update-grub did you run those as well?
[13:20] <xSora> im soo confused lol  Uhmm Lord of TIme i Only have windows 7 and ubuntu installed
[13:21] <xSora> and run update ? >__<
[13:21] <lmg> MestreLion: mind moving our discussion to a query window? it's crowded already and I don't think this matter if of too much interest to others. or is it? (out for a smoke too, just msg me if its okay with you)
[13:21] <IdleOne> xSora: in terminal run the following command: sudo apt-get install os-prober && sudo os-prober && sudo update-grub
[13:22] <xSora> corey@CoreyHP:~$  sudo apt-get install os-prober && sudo os-prober && sudo update-grub
[13:22] <xSora> Reading package lists... Done
[13:22] <xSora> Building dependency tree
[13:22] <xSora> Reading state information... Done
[13:22] <xSora> os-prober is already the newest version.
[13:22] <FloodBot1> xSora: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:22] <xSora> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[13:22] <MestreLion> lmg: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=blender  <-- this also matches the package's descriotion 1st line, like apt... so SC is the one doing some strange "magic" :P
[13:23] <IdleOne> xSora: copy all that and put it on paste.ubuntu.com.
[13:23] <IdleOne> tell us the url after you do
[13:23] <xSora> ehhh
[13:23] <xSora> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1326376/
[13:23] <MestreLion> lmg: actually, you've spotted a *very* interesting issue.  I truly have no idea where SC is taking that headline from... it's not from the package itself...
[13:24] <cairne> IdleOne, thats weird boot repair is seeing windows but not os prober, think she needs to do the advanced option repair mbr?
[13:24] <xSora> okay okay :I
[13:24] <IdleOne> xSora: now run: fdisk -l    - pastebin the output please
[13:24] <xSora> btw ima dude .-.
[13:25] <xSora> lol
[13:25] <cairne> my bad
[13:25] <IdleOne> doesn't really matter to us
[13:25] <xSora> No Worries ^~^
[13:25] <xSora> the command isnt  entering
[13:25] <lmg> MestreLion: indeed so. what steps do suggest I should take to further investigate (and in the end hopefully fix) this issue?
[13:26] <xSora> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1326393/
[13:27] <haojie_1990> mobibot: weather ZBAA
[13:27] <MestreLion> lmg: the good news is: the typo you're trying to fix is the one in the package.. more precisely debian/control file. Just apt-get source blender, edit that file, and use patch/diff to create a patch file. You can then attach that patch to the bug report (or email to the maintainer)
[13:27] <TheLordOfTime> haojie_1990, wrong channel?
[13:28] <xSora>  Idle0ne: it didnt work o.o http://paste.ubuntu.com/1326393/
[13:28] <lmg> MestreLion: understood, will do. what about the headline "magic" - as you nicely put it :) - ?
[13:29] <IdleOne> xSora: sorry it should be : sudo fdisk -l
[13:29] <MestreLion> lmg: I'm assuming you know how to compare 2 files (old and new) to create a diff / patch file...
[13:30] <lmg> MestreLion: I'm a blender developer. have towel - can diff ;)
[13:30] <xSora> Here u Go Idle0ne http://paste.ubuntu.com/1326404/
[13:30] <MestreLion> lmg: as for the headline magic, I truly have no idea... I'll investigate on that too...
[13:30] <MestreLion> lmg: oh, ok.. so you know you way around git and --format-patch just fine :P
[13:30] <lmg> MestreLion: thank you kindly - I'll do the diff + bugreport meanwhile
[13:31] <MestreLion> lmg: also, check to see if the typo is also in debian.. and bug report it there too
[13:31] <lmg> in this very case I can simply type the 1-liner by hand I guess ;)
[13:31] <lmg> ah, I was about to ask if this bugreports get upstreamed automagically. MestreLion
[13:31] <MestreLion> lmg: 2-liner actually :P
[13:32] <lmg> haha, yeah. (I was going to lazily strip the - and just do the +)
[13:32] <IdleOne> TheLordOfTime: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1326404/ I'm stuck here with getting windows in grub, can you help xSora please
[13:33] <MestreLion> lmg: no, it doesn't. But if you report in both debian (first) and then ubuntu, you can link them.. so when the debian is closed (and this patch will be applied in debian, not ubuntu), the launchpad bug will automatically be closed
[13:33] <cairne> xSora: is it multiple harddrives
[13:33] <MestreLion> (or, more preciselly, marked as Fix Commited
[13:33] <TomyLobo> hi
[13:33] <xSora> ihave 3 harddrives :I 1 sata 2 pata
[13:33] <lmg> lemme guess, I'll have to register somewhere to report the bug?
[13:33] <TomyLobo> where does ubuntu keep the equivalent of /var/log/messages?
[13:33] <xSora> 320=Ubuntu  80Gb= Windows 7  120= Blank
[13:33] <MestreLion> lmg: launchpad and debian, sure :P
[13:34] <lmg> meh :P
[13:34] <MestreLion> lmg: you probably already have a launchpad account... if you ever used Ubuntu One, or bought anything in SC.. or used Ubuntu Forum, or Ask Ubuntu, etc
[13:35] <lmg> yeah, guess so.
[13:36] <xSora> hmmms :/
[13:37] <cairne> trying to remember how to manually add an entry into grub
[13:37] <xSora> okay no rush
[13:37] <cairne> xSora, can try rebooting after having done the boot-repair
[13:37] <MestreLion> lmg: as for Debian, but reporting is a fancy wrapper over emails, so no need to "register" per se
[13:38] <wols> cairne: /etc/grub
[13:38] <dr_willis>  /etc/grub.d/40_custom  lets you add custom entries to grub
[13:38] <MestreLion> cairne: as long as you don't try to edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg :P
[13:38] <wols>  /etc/grub.d rather
[13:38] <xSora> i did that about 6 times cairne
[13:39] <MestreLion> cairne: you may either edit /etc/grub.d/40_custom or create a new "xx_yyyy"  file yourself
[13:39] <MestreLion> lmg: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
[13:40] <cairne> i coulda sworn there was an easy way to do it using just the location of the /sdc
[13:40] <wols> xSora: what happens if you run "sudo os-prober"?
[13:40] <xSora> Wols: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1326428/
[13:41] <Samsai> has anyone had issues with gnome-sound-recorder lately?
[13:41] <xSora> Cairne i have teamiewer if uw ana try a few things
[13:41] <MestreLion> cairne: you can use update-grub and copy and paste the results from /boot/grub/grub.cfg to your /etc/grub.b/40_custom file
[13:42] <MestreLion> teamview, eww :P
[13:42] <xSora> lol
[13:42] <cairne> MestreLion: it seems as tho its not recognizing the other hdd's however the pastebin from the boot-repair app does show them
[13:43] <cairne> can you direct os-prober to look at specific harddrive?
[13:45] <wols> cairne: it doesn't even have a manpage. "simple" script I think
[13:45] <MestreLion> xSora: if you'd open your teamview for me, the fist thing i'd do is to install a proper VNC (hech, even RCP) server and remove teamview... :P
[13:45] <savio> !os-prober
[13:46] <wols> MestreLion: that's a utterly stupid idea. and twice so for you to even suggest such a thing
[13:46] <xSora> lol i love meh teamviewr L3
[13:46] <xSora> :3
[13:46] <MestreLion> :P
[13:46] <wols> NEVER ever open a remote connection for ANYONE from irc, as long as you want to keep your data
[13:46] <xSora> i have no dta .-.
[13:46] <MestreLion> wols: I was just kidding with her
[13:46] <wols> xSora: do net ever let anyone from IRC use it. ever
[13:46] <xSora> HIm HIm HIm !!!
[13:47] <xSora> Sora ,Kingdomhearts .-.
[13:47] <MestreLion> wols: besides, she offered that before to cairne
[13:47] <xSora> >_>
[13:47] <bazhang> !ot | MestreLion xSora
[13:47] <wols> ElixirVitae: you should be still banned from here for even suggestiong it. no I am not kidding. just like no one is supposed to "kid" the rm -rf "jokes"
[13:47] <xSora> i Am a Man  o_o lol but srsly  ubuntu help   :o
[13:47] <MestreLion> wols: and, finally: I have little time to troubleshoot my own machine, let alone to do the same in others :P
[13:47] <bazhang> xSora, thats enough. stop it
[13:47] <xSora> imSorry
[13:48] <bazhang> !behelpful | MestreLion
[13:48] <cairne> xSora, type into terminal boot-repair
[13:48] <xSora> done
[13:48] <cairne> click advanced options
[13:48] <MestreLion> bazhang: she's not to blame... she has a legitmate ubuntu question about grub. she mentioned teamview as a way for someone to directly remote access and help her
[13:49] <bazhang> MestreLion, move on
[13:49] <xSora> i just wanted to say im a boy, i apologize, and cairne next ?
[13:49] <ElixirVitae> wha?
[13:49] <cairne> xSora, click on the tab Grub Location, in the os to boot by default what does it list in drop down
[13:49] <bazhang> ElixirVitae, tab mis complete earlier
[13:49] <MestreLion> and you're correct about me not being helpful to him. But don't be rude to him, all he wanted was help getting his grub to work
[13:50] <ElixirVitae> mistabbed much wols?
[13:50] <bazhang> MestreLion, please. Enough.
[13:51] <IdleOne> cairne: repeat your last message, they didn't egt it.
[13:51] <cairne> i'll handle it in pm
[13:51] <IdleOne> cairne: k
[13:52] <lmg> MestreLion: what file in blender*-debian src am I looking for again?
[13:52] <wols> xSora: on which hdd is your windows installed? 80GB or 120GBß
[13:53] <xSora> 80 gb
[13:54] <MestreLion> lmg: debian/control
[13:54] <crankharder> say I wanted to get postgres 9.2 on ubuntu 10.04, is there a legit repo I can get that from?
[13:55] <crankharder> this looks like something: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/pitti_postgresql/lucid/main/base/postgresql-9.2 -- but ubuntuupdates.org?
[13:55] <MestreLion> lmg: that's where all info from apt-cache show comes from
[13:55] <lmg> oh man, what a mess :)
[13:55] <lmg> MestreLion: the info in 'control' is correct.
[13:56] <lmg> MestreLion: the info in 'menu' has Modeler tho (compared to Modeller in config)
[13:56] <lmg> and still no clue where the info in software center is coming from.
[13:57] <lmat> I'm looking to mount an https distributed file system (I'm not sure if that's what to call it).
[13:58] <lmat> It's documented for Win and Mac here: https://kb.iu.edu/data/bcim.html
[13:58] <lmat> Is this a common thing to do?
[13:58] <crankharder> or, here's a postgres 9.2 package for lucid: https://launchpad.net/~pitti/+archive/postgresql -- but how would i install that?
[13:58] <MestreLion> lmg: you mean ./debian/menu ?
[13:58] <lmat> What would the "vfstype" be?
[13:58] <lmg> MestreLion: yeah. compare 'control' and 'menu'
[13:59] <lmg> Modeller vs. Modeler
[13:59] <MestreLion> let me download the source
[14:00] <lmg> MestreLion: only grab the small *debian* tgz
[14:00] <lmg> MestreLion: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/b/blender/blender_2.62-1.debian.tar.gz
[14:00] <ActionParsnip> !ppa | crankharder
[14:01] <z3r0> ...
[14:01] <z3r0> test
[14:01] <ActionParsnip> crankharder: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:pitti/postgresql ; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:01] <z3r0> ok hi ho  alle zusammen
[14:01] <ActionParsnip> !test | z3r0
[14:01] <DualBootMe> ive been having problems trying to get grub to understand windows 8 on my parition..i used os-prober and then grub-update but still nothing...i have windows 8 and ubuntu 12.04 both on one hard drive any idea whats going on or if windows 8 is supported on grub
[14:01] <z3r0> thx
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> crankharder: you'll also need: sudo apt-get install postgresql-9.2     you may want to uninstall the older one if it will cause issues.
[14:02] <MestreLion> lmg: you said there was a typo in description... where is it?
[14:03] <lmg> MestreLion: Mode*l*er vs Mode*ll*er
[14:03] <lmg> in the debian/menu + ubuntu software center
[14:03] <z3r0> what kind of irc chat u use ???
[14:03] <crankharder> ActionParsnip: I was hoping for something that was more supported and came without a warning :)
[14:03] <MestreLion> lmg: but description (and, thus, apt-get and friends) is already ModeLLer
[14:04] <ActionParsnip> crankharder: you can always compile it yourself
[14:04] <lmg> MestreLion: yeah, but 'menu' and softwarecenter don't and I want to fix that.
[14:04] <lmg> that is - the blender foundation asked me to fix it ;)
[14:05] <crankharder> oh, i guess postgres supports that particular ppa ;) http://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/ubuntu/
[14:05] <MestreLion> lmg: well, menu is easy...
[14:05] <MestreLion> edit, diff, submit
[14:05] <lmg> patch -> bugreport. *nods*
[14:05] <Promethes> hi, my HP printer not working on 12.10 - i get error Filter failed. Anyone knows how to fix this? On 12.04 this printer worked perfectly
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> crankharder: if you look at who martin pitt is, you'll be fine
[14:05] <lmg> but the SC magic? still no idea where that headline is coming from.
[14:06] <ActionParsnip> Promethes: did you upgrade or did you clean install Quantal?
[14:06] <Promethes> ActionParsnip: clean install
[14:06] <FlashDeluxe> hi! is there a cli tool which works as proxy and changes my ip adress if i call that tool via terminal?
[14:06] <ActionParsnip> Promethes: tried updating HPLIP?
[14:06] <crankharder> ActionParsnip: sudo: add-apt-repository: command not found
[14:07] <MestreLion> Guys, does any experienced Ubuntu packager knows where is Software Center taking its package "headlines" from? I always assumed it was from package's debian/control file, just like in any other tool, but lmg spotted a different headline in blender package. Any ideas?
[14:07] <ActionParsnip> crankharder: sudo apt-get install python-software-properties
[14:07] <Promethes> ActionParsnip: hplip package is updated to the most recent version in official ubuntu repositories
[14:07] <lmat> How do I get this program? https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/dapper/man8/mount.davfs.8.html
[14:07] <ActionParsnip> Promethes: did you check the HPLIP site, to see if there is a newer version?
[14:08] <cairne> later #ubuntu
[14:08] <ActionParsnip> Promethes: the repos don't always have the latest packages, in fact its quite rare
[14:08] <lmat> cairne: wait!
[14:08] <lmat> cairne: I need your help.
[14:08] <cairne> sup
[14:08] <lmat> cairne: How do I get this program? https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/dapper/man8/mount.davfs.8.html
[14:09] <ActionParsnip> !info hplip quantal
[14:09] <Promethes> ActionParsnip: version on hplip website is the same version that is on ubuntu repository
[14:09] <ActionParsnip> Promethes: it's not. I just looked
[14:09] <FlashDeluxe> lmat aptitude install davfs2 ?
[14:09] <ActionParsnip> FlashDeluxe: please don't advise aptitude
[14:10] <FlashDeluxe> lmat apt-get install davfs2 ?
[14:10] <ActionParsnip> Promethes: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/hplip/hplip-3.12.10a.run     is later than 3.12.6   isn't it?
[14:10] <lmat> FlashDeluxe: YAY! I tried install davfs with no hints or anything.
[14:10] <lmat> FlashDeluxe: davfs2 seems to be very good.
[14:10] <Promethes> ActionParsnip: you have right, those long version numbers
[14:10] <ActionParsnip> Promethes: so why lie?
[14:10] <cairne> lmat, so you all set?
[14:10] <MestreLion> lmat: have you tried searching the Software Center for davfs ?
[14:10] <FlashDeluxe> lmat its the tool you were looking for ;)
[14:11] <lmat> cairne: eh...more set than I was. I got 301 Moved Permanently, but that's a separate problem :)
[14:11] <lmat> MestreLion: What is the Software Center?
[14:11] <MestreLion> :O
[14:11] <lmat> FlashDeluxe: I think so. mount -t davfs executed this time (and asked for username and password.).
[14:11] <FlashDeluxe> ActionParsnip sorry, i just copied the command, lazy as i am
[14:11] <cairne> ok im passing out now, lata #ubuntu
[14:11] <lmat> cairne: night!
[14:12] <MestreLion> lmat: you're using Ubuntu, correct?
[14:12] <lmat> MestreLion: correct-a-mundo@
[14:12] <lmat> !
[14:12] <ActionParsnip> FlashDeluxe: it's cool, if the OS is 64bit then apt-get can manage multiarch better, aptitude also isn't in a default install :)
[14:12] <lmat> MestreLion: (you?)
[14:12] <MestreLion> lmat: which version?
[14:12] <lmat> dunno, got it a week or so ago.
[14:13] <lmat> 12.04
[14:13] <lmat> 12.04.1 LTS
[14:13] <lmat> MestreLion: ^
[14:13] <MestreLion> lmat: you may notice there's a Ubuntu Software Center launcher  on the left side of your screen
[14:13] <lmat> MestreLion: Negative, captain.
[14:13] <FlashDeluxe> ActionParsnip i guess in most cases it doesn`t make a difference if you use ap-get or a frontend, because most of the people just want to install a simple tool :)
[14:13] <lmat> MestreLion: Let me give you a screen shot.
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> !aptitude | FlashDeluxe
[14:13] <BluesKaj> lmat, FYI , @ isn't required on irc , typing the person's nick is enough for their nick highlight to work
[14:14] <MestreLion> lmat: if it's not there, you may have unpinned it from the launcher. You can find it using the dash (the "menu")
[14:14] <lmat> BluesKaj: (@ was a typo. I meant !)
[14:15] <Promethes> ActionParsnip: do i need remove hplip package installed from ubuntu repos before installing manually newer version from hplip website?
[14:15] <MestreLion> lmat: are you familiar with Ubuntu or any other Linux?
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> Promethes: why did you say the website had the same version as the repos did, when it clearly doesn't?
[14:16] <lmat> MestreLion: yes,sir. Getting that screen shot, just a sec.
[14:16] <FlashDeluxe> ActionParsnip ohh ok, didn`t know that this bug was such high critical, thanks for the info
[14:16] <lmat> MestreLion: http://imagebin.org/234338
[14:16] <lmat> MestreLion: That's my screen.
[14:16] <MestreLion> lmat: the reason I'm asking so is you said you don't know what Ubuntu Software Center is... and yet you're trying to install davfs.. so something looks wrong
[14:17] <lmat> MestreLion: I installed davfs.
[14:17] <lmat> MestreLion: (Apparently it's called davfs2 these days ;)  )
[14:17] <MestreLion> oh, Xmonad ?
[14:17] <Promethes> ActionParsnip: because i looked too quick and did'nt read version number properly
[14:17] <lmat> MestreLion: What's that?
[14:17] <lmat> MestreLion: I'm guessing it has to do with X.  I don't use X.
[14:17] <MestreLion> lmat: nevermind... the screenshot you posted looked like xmonad
[14:18] <MestreLion> it's a tiling DE
[14:18] <lmat> MestreLion: Ah, nope
[14:18] <lmat> MestreLion: Hold ALT+CTRL and press 1
[14:18] <MestreLion> actually a tiling WM.. not a DE
[14:18] <lmat> MestreLion: type "sudo service lightdm stop"
[14:18] <lmat> MestreLion: then sudo apt-get install tmux
[14:18] <lmat> MestreLion: Then sudo apt-get install irssi
[14:18] <lmat> then
[14:19] <lmat> tmux && irssi   then press ctrl+b, "   and you're set :)
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> Promethes: it may help to remove te old first, can't hurt
[14:19] <lmat> MestreLion: So, the tiling part is tmux. My IRC client is irssi
[14:20] <lmat> MestreLion: from xmonad site, "haskell + smart programming practices guarantee a *crash-free* experience."
[14:20] <MestreLion> lmat: by the way, the url you posted for davfs is from dapper... that's 5.xx iirc
[14:20] <GunArm> I was just running apt-get dist-upgrade and got all kinds of errors, most of which scrolled up off the screen but what I have is a bunch of like http://pastebin.com/UHAVqWx6 and as you can see at the bottom now I get "bus error" when I run apt-get,  and other commands are giving seg faults.... wtf it was running fine before i tried to upgrade packages.  Is it even safe to reboot?
[14:20] <lmat> MestreLion: haha! What is it in the combination of haskell and smart programmers that *guarantee* no crashes?!?
[14:20] <lmat> MestreLion: OOO :(
[14:21] <lmat> MestreLion: I was thinking dapper was a package (apt-get install dapper) ... I see now that it's an ubuntu version (dapper drake?).
[14:21] <MestreLion> lmat: when you want to search for packages, use http://packages.ubuntu.com
[14:21] <lmat> MestreLion: ahh, thanks!
[14:21] <MestreLion> no, dapper is an ubuntu release...
[14:21] <lmat> release, right.
[14:22] <MestreLion> a veeeeery old one
[14:22] <greg606> hi
[14:22] <lmat> MestreLion: What about apt-cache search ?
[14:22] <lmat> MestreLion: Seems much better than some elinks site.
[14:22] <MestreLion> lmat: it will search only for packages in your current release
[14:22] <lmat> MestreLion: ahh, thanks.
[14:23] <greg606> i have a problem: mouse freezes from time to time and also sometimes whole system I use amd test drivers cause in 12.10 defualt are broken (fglrx) may it be the cause?
[14:23] <MestreLion> if you're interested in "what happened to the old davfs i used in ubuntu 5 years ago", then the "elinks site" is you best shot ;)
[14:23] <greg606> I have to reset the computer :(
[14:23] <greg606> it's new and i'm worried
[14:23] <greg606> cause it could be hardware
[14:24] <MestreLion> greg606: there are stable drivers besides the default, you don't need to use test drivers
[14:24] <greg606> they are broken
[14:24] <MestreLion> greg606: all of them?
[14:25] <z3r0_> hmm irssis look nice *G*