[03:40] <jokerdino> hey amachu
[03:40] <amachu> hi
[03:41] <jokerdino> how are you doing?
[03:47] <amachu> doing good & u?
[03:47] <jokerdino> Yes, Doing fine too :)
[03:47] <jokerdino> I am going off for lunch. Talk to you later :)
[04:00] <amachu> ok


[00:13] <Juayz> Hello
[00:13] <Juayz> is there statistics on how long it takes and how many people it takes to translate ubuntu into a new language?
[00:14] <Juayz> based on history with other languages.
[00:22] <sagaci> english-based language with <10 contributors, around a year
[18:18] <owenll> Is anyone able to explain how I translate words with an underscore in Gnome? eg  S_uspend    Co_mmand:    SESSION_NAME      _Remember Currently Running Application


[06:38] <Bashing-om> All the fun I can stand for one session , G nite
[06:51] <ducasse> morning all
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> hey there ducasse
[06:52] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje - happy new year to you! :)
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> all the best wishes for you too ducasse xx
[06:52] <ducasse> how were your holidays?
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> great,busy and moving to the new house also
[06:54] <ducasse> do you like it there so far?
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: how were yours?
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> yes very, its bigger house now alot of space to walk in
[06:55] <ducasse> fine, thanks - quiet. visited family and relaxed a lot :)
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> great
[06:56] <ducasse> plans for the new year?
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> build my business room in the house
[06:57] <ducasse> :)
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> breakfast times, laterz ducasse :p
[06:57] <ducasse> ttyl
[11:47] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[17:52] <ducasse> i'm continually amazed at the amount of people who think ubottu is a real person :)
[18:19] <Bashing-om> ducasse: ^ Lot of new people :) that is a good thing .
[18:21] <ducasse> Bashing-om: in some ways, yes :)
[18:24] <Bashing-om> ducasse: One in a hundred make a contribution to the effort :) Separate the wheat from the chaff ?
[18:26] <ducasse> Bashing-om: :) you logged off literally 13 minutes before i connected to tmux this morning :)
[18:31] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Left a bit earlier last // My eyes are not ajusting well to the newer irssi and Firefox colors ==> head ache :(
[18:32] <Bashing-om> I am trying to give FF another chamce, but I still miss chrome .
[18:33] <ducasse> Bashing-om: i've been messing with terminal color schemes and themes for my most used applications, trying to make things more relaxing for the eyes.
[18:33] <ducasse> i use both ff and chromium.
[18:38] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Yeah .. http://how-to.wikia.com/wiki/How_to_configure_xterm . Have yet to find a means to change a browser background color that I am comfortable with - as the website controls that .
[18:39] <ducasse> Bashing-om: can't you use an addon like stylish?
[18:39] <ducasse> Bashing-om: hehe, i just gave a guy in #ubuntu that exact link about an hour ago :)
[18:41] <Bashing-om> ducasse: perhaps . I sorta real slow about adding add-ons :)
[18:42] <ducasse> it just inject css in web pages, aiui, so you can manipulate things like that
[18:42] <ducasse> *injects
[18:43] <ducasse> Bashing-om: haven't used it myself, just keep hearing about it.
[18:44] <Bashing-om> The more I mss about with xterm, the more I am impressed. These people have done the homework . Thanks for the hint about stylish . I look into it .
[18:46] <ducasse> Bashing-om: i prefer urxvt over xterm in many ways, it's what i use now. roxterm was nice but is no longer maintained since gtk 3.20 broke it.
[18:47] <ducasse> Bashing-om: urxvt can have perl plugins etc, it's a deep rabbit-hole to get into :)
[19:00] <Bashing-om> ducasse: For now xterm more than meets my simple needs. As a matter of fact I am not even "glomming" over all the enhancewmnt as offered in xubuntu 16.04 . And yeah I may yet return to my 14.04 minimal install as my system of choice . But ! Got to learn systemd sometime !
[19:02] <ducasse> Bashing-om: i still generally like systemd, it's nice in many ways. ymmv, though.
[19:04] <Bashing-om> ducasse: I figure systemd is here to stay . As much as I dislike change . Gonna make the adjustment :) There are many things about systemd that I truely like and appreciate .
[19:11] <ducasse> Bashing-om: other than that, is there something you dislike about 16.04 as you are considering switching back to 14.04?
[19:16] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Nope, so long as I can function on 16.04 .. all speed ahead ! ( 17.04 also available to investigate what will be ) . Just the learning curve of the differences in the apps I use - ( going back to learning the GUI way ) .
[19:17] <ducasse> Bashing-om: almost all the programs i use are cli/tui, except the browser. trying out cvim with chromium now to get keyboard control there as well :)
[19:25] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Browser was elinks for a while . google-chrome has spoiled me to the GUI . I will say easier !
[19:28] <ducasse> Bashing-om: there are so many websites that demand a gui browser, unfortunately. the whole "write clean html that can be parsed by almost anything" is completely forgotten now.
[19:32] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Yepper . GUI web browsers are much easier to use now-a-days . No going back .
[19:36] <ducasse> Bashing-om: i guess the reason they call it 'web 2.0' is because they broke the first one ;)
[19:37] <Bashing-om> Well, can not keep up, can not take notes. what is a CLI browser to do ?
[19:41] <ducasse> i need something hot to drink, think i'll go make some chai. good stuff :)
[19:42] <Bashing-om> We been doing hot chocolate here of late .  Same same here . 2 in the house and 4 outside . No peace till we give what they demand ( else they will live elsewhere !) .
[20:06] <Bashing-om> Took a year for Ebony to convince us that she wanted to be a domesticated house cat .
[20:07] <ducasse> cats <3 as i live alone a cat is great for company. she's very social, and demands a lot of attention :)
[20:07] <ducasse> heading to bed soon, ttyl Bashing-om
[20:09] <Bashing-om> Have a good rest ducasse
[20:09] <ducasse> Bashing-om: you enjoy the rest of your day :)
[21:27] <Bashing-om> Time for a nap . laters guys .


[06:31] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[08:25] <bittin> good morning
[09:10] <tjaalton> should user reviews be readable in snap-store? it just shows the rating and stats
[09:19] <seb128> tjaalton, in the new store? no
[09:19] <seb128> that's not going to land this cycle
[09:19] <seb128> that being support for reviews
[09:21] <tjaalton> okay
[17:24] <KGB-0> gnome-settings-daemon pristine-tar 2e2d560 Jeremy Bícha gnome-settings-daemon_45~rc.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-settings-daemon_45~rc.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-settings-daemon_45~rc.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/SSvj
[17:31] <KGB-0> gnome-settings-daemon signed tags 462b471 Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/45_rc-1ubuntu1 * gnome-settings-daemon Debian release 45~rc-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/3bs7R
[17:31] <KGB-2> gnome-settings-daemon ubuntu/latest 1f45e51 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 42 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3gYnD
[17:31] <KGB-2> gnome-settings-daemon ubuntu/latest 5330be8 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) plugins/smartcard/gsd-smartcard-manager.c * gsd-smartcard-manager: Avoid sleeping if the card supports blocking * https://deb.li/iOidz
[17:31] <KGB-2> gnome-settings-daemon ubuntu/latest 7826eb2 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) plugins/smartcard/gsd-smartcard-manager.c * smartcard-manager: Only sync token state if it really changed * https://deb.li/kSa1
[17:32] <KGB-2> gnome-settings-daemon ubuntu/latest 3a626ec Marco Trevisan (Treviño) plugins/smartcard/gsd-smartcard-utils.c * smartcard-utils: Free the type name when registering domain * https://deb.li/3WsHN
[17:32] <KGB-2> gnome-settings-daemon ubuntu/latest dc67560 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) plugins/smartcard/gsd-smartcard-service.c * smartcard-service: Unown the name on dispose * https://deb.li/eepV
[17:32] <KGB-2> gnome-settings-daemon ubuntu/latest 0c06e06 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) plugins/smartcard/ gsd-smartcard-manager.c gsd-smartcard-service.c gsd-smartcard-utils.c * smartcard: Use autopointers * https://deb.li/3aizg
[19:31] <KGB-2> mutter signed tags eac67fc Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/45_rc-0ubuntu1 * mutter Debian release 45~rc-0ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/i2xGv
[19:31] <KGB-0> mutter signed tags 64567a6 Jeremy Bicha upstream/45_rc * Upstream version 45~rc * https://deb.li/UJ6V
[19:31] <KGB-2> mutter upstream/latest 006aec1 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 200 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/37MIg
[19:31] <KGB-2> mutter upstream/latest 731c3e0 Jonas Ådahl src/backends/meta-screen-cast-stream.c * screen-cast/stream: Keep track of object properties * https://deb.li/mVtN
[19:31] <KGB-2> mutter upstream/latest 242737c Jonas Ådahl src/backends/ (5 files) * screen-cast/stream: Add 'is-configured' property * https://deb.li/3yxAx
[19:31] <KGB-2> mutter upstream/latest 264d29b Jonas Ådahl src/backends/meta-screen-cast-session.c * screen-cast/session: Use add_stream() helper everywhere * https://deb.li/EOwy
[19:31] <KGB-2> mutter upstream/latest 1a1a163 Jonas Ådahl src/backends/meta-remote-desktop-session.c * remote-desktop/session: Only add configured streams as viewports * https://deb.li/3IJe4
[19:31] <KGB-2> mutter upstream/latest 15a3c47 Jonas Ådahl src/backends/ meta-eis-viewport.c meta-eis-viewport.h meta-eis.c meta-screen-cast-virtual-stream-src.c * eis: Rebuild absolute pointers when any viewport changes * https://deb.li/XZrM
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[19:51] <mconley> seb128: Hi! I'm an engineer at Mozilla working on Firefox Desktop. Alexandre Lissy
[19:51] <mconley> suggested you might be able to help us with some questions that we have about Snap packaging and importing data from other browsers. Do I have that right?
[20:00] <sarnold> hey mconley, seb128's based in europe, it might be a bit beyond his usual working hours. there's also a #snappy channel that might be able to help, that might be less latency than hoping for seb128 to return
[20:00] <mconley> Ah, it's alright - it's near the end of my workday anyways. I'll try again in the morning tomorrow. Thanks!
[20:00] <KGB-0> orca upstream/beta 05b2f1e Samuel Thibault * pushed 68 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3pMcv
[20:00] <KGB-0> orca upstream/beta ccebdb1 Danial Behzadi po/fa.po * Update Persian translation * https://deb.li/ijZ4n
[20:00] <KGB-0> orca upstream/beta db88d2a Danial Behzadi po/fa.po * Update Persian translation * https://deb.li/xVEg
[20:00] <KGB-0> orca upstream/beta de8c98f Jürgen Benvenuti help/de/de.po * Update German translation * https://deb.li/3Kx0l
[20:01] <KGB-0> orca upstream/beta dd8550e Philipp Kiemle po/de.po * Update German translation * https://deb.li/9Mex
[20:01] <KGB-0> orca upstream/beta 6688aa1 Joanmarie Diggs src/orca/ ax_object.py caret_navigation.py debug.py scripts/web/script_utilities.py * Web: Improve performance of navigation to end of document * https://deb.li/3sZ2E
[20:02] <sarnold> mconley: nice ;) enjoy!
[20:08] <chrisccoulson> hi mconley :)
[20:09] <mconley> Mr. Coulson! It's been too long! :)
[20:10] <chrisccoulson> mconley, it has! How are you doing these days?
[20:11] <mconley> I'm doing well! Hopefully older and wiser, at least. Still hacking on Firefox-y things - most recently the migration wizard that lets users bring in data from other browsers.
[20:12] <mconley> We've been polishing up the experience of importing history, bookmarks, logins, etc from other browsers... but the experience when Firefox is installed as a Snap is still a bit rough - the sandboxing prevents us from reaching into the (example) Chromium Snap directory and reading the profile data out. This is the sandbox doing what it's designed to
[20:12] <mconley> do, but it kind of makes the migration flow a bit awkward.
[20:14] <mconley> We dealt with a similar restriction on macOS, where the Safari folder in ~/Library tends to require special read access privileges. We were able to work around this by opening up a native file picker and instructing the user to select the Safari folder - after which, Firefox was able to read its contents. We're hoping to do something similar on
[20:14] <mconley> Ubuntu when Firefox is a Snap (unless y'all have a better idea of how we could approach this).
[20:14] <mconley> Part of the issue seems to be that folder selection via xdg-desktop-portal was only introduced in 22.04.
[20:15] <chrisccoulson> excellent - glad you're still doing ok at Mozilla. Yeah, accessing other application data from other snaps is a bit of a pain
[20:15] <mconley> At least, that seems to be the case from our examination. Also, it seems that the xdg-desktop-portal file picker cannot be directed to the parent folder of the Chromium data directory, so the user is kinda forced to navigate their manually, folder by folder.
[20:16] <mconley> So yeah, that's the problem space I've suddenly found myself in. :)
[20:16] <mconley> chrisccoulson: my information correct that seb128 is someone I should talk to about this?
[20:16] <mconley> sorry, *was my information correct
[20:19] <chrisccoulson> I wonder whether, rather than having a file chooser prompt, there is a dedicated prompt for importing application data that runs in the same privilege context that the file chooser would run in (ie, "Firefox would like to import data from Chromium, Ok / Cancel" or something like that - but that's up to the desktop team, and would be more work anyway)
[20:19] <chrisccoulson> yeah, you should talk to seb128 when he's back online :)
[20:20] <mconley> Okay, cool, will do. :) Thanks again!
[20:30] <KGB-2> eog ubuntu/latest 3f4f21e Sebastien Bacher debian/ (5 files in 2 dirs) * Import Debian changes 45~alpha-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/ijSLF
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[12:43] <lambert> What should happen with wiki pages which appear old and outdated?
[12:43] <lambert> Such as pages that appear to be release specific
[12:43] <lambert> such as instructions for Warty?
[12:43] <lambert> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/3Ware9xxxAsRoot
[01:11] <LaserJock> lambert: are they not needed for Dapper?
[01:23] <lambert> Not 100% sure on link I provided as it talks about raid and I can't test
[01:24] <lambert> But if it is outdated,  should it be cleaned, removed from CategoryCleanup and is there an archive place
[01:24] <lambert> I noticed Category
[01:24] <lambert> Archive, what goes there?
[01:36] <LaserJock> lambert: I'm not sure. You might email the ubunt-doc list. It is an interesting issue.
[01:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> i just noticed the keysigning instructions on launchpad are realy hard to follow. is there any help on that, or shall i write some?
[01:55] <hawking> how can i have a look at root mail at ubuntu? I mean when I set a program to mail root@localhost will I Get mails to /var/mail/user and the user is the one I've created at initial ubuntu setup
[01:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> check /etc/alias
[01:59] <hawking> I don't have /etc/alias
[02:03] <hawking> Kamping_Kaiser any ideaS?
[02:03] <Kamping_Kaiser>  /etc/aliases
[02:08] <hawking> root : user
[02:08] <hawking> so that should work ok right?
[03:14] <jjesse> how do you rename a wiki page?  for example w.u.c/adepthowto should read AdeptHowTo for correct CamelCase
[03:26] <mhz> jjesse: you can easily rename a wiki page BUT iirc, we've been asked to keep old pagename and redirect it new page name
[03:26] <mhz> instead
[03:26] <mhz> this way, users already subscribed to old page can still be notified about 'redirect' and users who have alrady added the bookmark of old page, still get to newpage
[03:27] <mhz> jjesse: please tell me if i explained itclearly ;)
[03:27] <mhz> \later tell Kaiser_Sleeps there is a how to in the wiki
[03:28] <mhz> .oO(ohh, we dont' have such feature in our bot)
[08:45] <theCore> LaserJock, hi
[08:45] <theCore> I got a 7k diff file to send you
[08:46] <LaserJock> theCore: sweet
[08:48] <theCore> I'm not finished working on the intro section yet
[08:48] <theCore> i just maked the ``make'' intro and a little bit of ``autoconf''
[08:51] <LaserJock> fine
[09:47] <LaserJock> theCore: did you send your diff yet?
[09:47] <theCore> no, I'm still working on it
[09:48] <LaserJock> ok, np
[09:48] <theCore> I could send you what I have, if you want
[09:49] <LaserJock> that's ok, send it to me when your done if you want. I don't care. I won't have time to work on the packaging guide for a while yet
[10:16] <theCore> yay! my diff is now 9k
[10:17] <LaserJock> cool
[10:20] <theCore> I send it to you
[10:21] <LaserJock> ok
[10:27] <theCore> LaserJock, sent
[10:27] <LaserJock> theCore: great, thanks
[10:46] <LaserJock> theCore: ok, I got the diff.  That is the easiest way to know if I've commited something
[10:56] <LaserJock> theCore: It might be tomorrow by the time I get to it. Work has just increased and I got a new iMac to set up etc.
[11:08] <theCore> ok, then I will monitor -commit
[11:09] <LaserJock> theCore: I can ping you too but I didn't know if you knew about -commit
[11:11] <theCore> how the iMac is, compared to Ubuntu?
[11:12] <LaserJock> I haven't been able to set it up yet. I have to get a bunch of other work done first :(
[11:13] <LaserJock> but the box is sitting right next to me
[11:13] <LaserJock> :(
[11:14] <LaserJock> but it is one of the new Intel iMacs so I can't put Ubuntu on it.
[11:25] <theCore> does the CPU is a x86 ?
[11:27] <LaserJock> yep
[11:27] <LaserJock> I think anyway. It is a dual core
[11:28] <theCore> maybe, Ubuntu i386 will work on it
[11:28] <LaserJock> no
[11:28] <LaserJock> it doesn't have a BIOS
[11:29] <LaserJock> it has something called EFI instead and it is not compatible with Ubuntu yet
[11:29] <LaserJock> plus there isn't a graphics driver for the video card I don't think
[11:31] <theCore> the number of high-end users switching the Mac is quite impressive
[11:32] <theCore> Apple is really getting the low and the high end market
[11:38] <LaserJock> our lab has completly switched to Macs for desktop use
[11:39] <LaserJock> Apple has really gotten into the science/academic market. In my department I think Apple has the majority of desktop computers.
[11:40] <crimsun> due to their big server push?
[11:40] <LaserJock> laptops mostly
[11:40] <crimsun> interesting
[11:40] <LaserJock> it is the "in" thing for profs
[11:40] <LaserJock> I just got back from a conference and very few of the presenters didn't use a Mac laptop
[11:41] <crimsun> yeah, it's that way here, too
[11:41] <crimsun> I'm in the minority now, heh, with Ubuntu running on the X41-2527
[11:41] <LaserJock> one of the computational groups uses a lot of Mac servers but they are going more to clusters of AMD64s
[11:42] <crimsun> yeah, amd64s are a lot more cost-effective
[11:43] <LaserJock> but the reason my boss went to Apple was the *nix base. He can do most of the linux things he used to do but also have MS Office and Acrobat, etc.
[11:43] <LaserJock> and money isn't a problem because it all comes from grants anyway
[11:46] <theCore> However, the problem with Mac it is that they have many unknown holes which wait to be discovered.  There are rumours which indicate that MacOS X has many holes like Windows
[11:47] <LaserJock> theCore: but since many of the people are moving from Windows to Mac they are used to it ;-)
[11:47] <theCore> lol, yeah
[11:48] <theCore> personally, I wouldn't switch to a Mac, even if I find them sexy
[11:49] <LaserJock> well, I didn't have much choice in the matter
[11:50] <LaserJock> but I think I'll like it for work


[11:23] <TechnodicT_> Hello
[23:37] <zykotick9> U.S.C. has become "the store" (from #ubuntu moments ago), how sad :(..
[23:51] <IdleOne> last time I looked at USC it looked more like a store than a software repository
[23:51] <IdleOne> unless I'm mistaken the paid apps are 'up front"


[09:55] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[11:48] <icey> ahoy
[15:43] <swift110> hey
[15:44] <jthan> \o
[15:44] <jthan> How's it going?
[15:46] <swift110> how are you jthan
[15:47] <jthan> Not too bad. Updating the final pieces of our infrastructure today in terms of new monitoring. I'm excited for this project to be done.
[15:49] <swift110> cool
[15:49] <jthan> How about you?
[16:09] <swift110> im great
[16:09] <swift110> where are you from
[16:44] <jthan> Originally PA!  I got my "start" in this channel way back in the day. I live in Colorado now. I came out here for college and now stayed as an employee at the University
[16:45] <teddy-dbear> I would have said outer space ;-)
[16:50] <swift110> thats cool
[16:53] <jthan> haha
[18:04] <swift110> lol


 :D
[18:50] <pavlushka> zaki: yeah, very :p
[20:18] <zaki> pavlushka, good night