[00:28] <bryce> hmm
[00:28] <bryce> ../../src/i830_dri.c: In function 'I830DRISwapContext':
[00:28] <bryce> ../../src/i830_dri.c:1162: error: 'drm_i915_flip_t' undeclared (first use in this function)
[00:28] <bryce> ../../src/i830_dri.c:1162: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
[00:28] <bryce> ../../src/i830_dri.c:1162: error: for each function it appears in.)
[00:28] <bryce> ../../src/i830_dri.c:1162: error: expected ';' before 'flip'
[00:28] <bryce> ../../src/i830_dri.c:1168: error: 'flip' undeclared (first use in this function)
[00:29] <bryce> that's with xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.5.1-1ubuntu7.dsc that's already in the archive.  I wonder if libdrm or something has changed?
[00:40] <bryce> mm bug #308387 perhaps
[05:58] <tjaalton> bryce: we discussed it with jbarnes on #ubuntu-desktop
[05:58] <tjaalton> the kernel drm headers need updates
[06:01] <tjaalton> either that or we Replace linux-libc-dev again and ship the intel headers in libdrm-dev
[06:57]  * jcristau is happy he misses out on that fun for now
[09:29] <lool> jcristau: :)
[09:30] <lool> tjaalton: Did they push the updates to the upstream kernel?
[09:45] <tjaalton> lool: no idea.. there are so many branches to choose from
[09:45] <lool> tjaalton: Eh :)
[09:45] <seb128> tseliot: hi
[09:46] <seb128> tseliot: could you look at bug #316887? I'm wondering if the error comes from your tool to change the xorg config or from the capplet
[09:46]  * tseliot has a look at the bug report
[09:48] <tjaalton> lool: and it's not clear if that's even pushed to the kernel yet
[09:48] <tseliot> seb128: I've never seen that error before. I'll see if I can reproduce it here
[09:49] <tseliot> seb128: I doubt it depends on my changes though
[09:50] <seb128> ok
[10:49] <tseliot> seb128: it looks like the author of the randr capplet rewrote more or less what I had done in my patch in gnome-rr-config.c
[10:49] <pcjc2> hi guys
[10:49] <tseliot> seb128: hehe, less work for me
[10:49] <seb128> cool
[10:49] <pcjc2> that last comment sounds like something related to what I'm about to ask
[10:50] <pcjc2> does anyone else see / has seen reported, a nasty intereaction between gnome-settings-daemon 's Xrandr support, and output probing in the latest Intel video driver?
[10:50] <pcjc2> I'm getting a loop of events
[10:50] <pcjc2> Xrandr notify event -> pokes gnome-settings-daemon.
[10:50] <pcjc2> gnome-settings-daemon requests info on the screens from Xorg
[10:51] <pcjc2> Intel driver re-probes hardware (l a a a a a a a g g g g)
[10:51] <pcjc2> Somewhere along the line.. another notify event is emitted, and we get a lovely loop
[10:51] <tseliot> pcjc2: what happens exactly? What are the symptoms?
[10:51] <pcjc2> Nasty nasty lagging system, because the intel driver is re-probing its outputs as fast as the loop progresses
[10:52] <pcjc2> I also get a reprobe for every step-change in backlight brightness - although I don't actually seem to get an infinite loop on that one
[10:52] <pcjc2> My loop is usually triggered by pulling the AC adaptor out / putting it back in, which seems to fire off a LID event
[10:53] <tseliot> can you reproduce the problem with backlight without the gnome-settings-daemon?
[10:53] <tseliot> e.g. if you kill the gnome-settings-daemon
[10:53] <pcjc2> works much better after killing g-s-d
[10:53] <pcjc2> although HP still suck for not implementing it as ACPI notifications
[10:54] <pcjc2> (Hotkey scancodes.. on a machine designed for Vista? That doesn't even meet Microsoft's low standards)
[10:54] <pcjc2> ah damn
[10:54] <pcjc2> turned mu brightness right down - seems ot have shut down the backlight, and it won't turn back on
[10:56] <pcjc2> ok xbacklight managed to fix it, but something busted whatever the usual mechanism is..
[10:57] <pcjc2> hotkeys don't work
[10:57] <pcjc2>  /proc/acpi/video/GFX0/*/brightness return unsupported - and they did work before
[10:58] <tseliot> hmm... it looks like g-s-d listens for any event coming from the screen
[10:58] <tseliot> and you can control the backlight from randr
[10:58] <pcjc2> Judging by the lag and system responsiveness after calling xbacklight, that is causing a path which does more work than it ought to
[10:59] <tseliot> ok, maybe it would be useful to limit the events the g-s-d should listen to
[10:59] <pcjc2> although I'm not getting the jittering mouse pointer usually indicative of the the intel driver probing its outputs
[10:59] <pcjc2> I backtraced them.. I can let you know what type of event I was getting
[10:59] <tseliot> good
[10:59] <pcjc2> but it appeared to be the same Xrandr subtype for the brightness change, and the situation which got me into a big long loop
[11:00] <pcjc2> I sent the details to the Xorg ML, should I forward to ubuntu-x?
[11:00] <tseliot> I can check the X ML
[11:00] <pcjc2> basically, its event subtype 2 I'm getting
[11:01] <pcjc2> Subject: 	Xrandr loop with gnome-settings-daemon  [WAS: Re: Intel GM45: Loop of continuously triggered output detections
[11:01] <tseliot> ok, I found it
[11:06] <pcjc2> tseliot: Is your patched gnome-rr-config.c in Jaunty?
[11:06] <pcjc2> (Was wondering if a kindof race could be happening between that and g-s-d's code
[11:06] <pcjc2> )
[11:07] <tseliot> pcjc2: yes, but I'm about to rework it.
[11:08] <tseliot> it only affects when you first load g-s-d from the xml and when you apply your settings from the applet
[11:08] <pcjc2> fair enough.. do you think the interaction between the two might have been the problem?
[11:08] <pcjc2> ok
[11:08] <pcjc2> When I restart g-s-d, I sometimes get an assertion failure in gnome-rr
[11:09] <pcjc2> ** (gnome-settings-daemon:20549): CRITICAL **: gnome_rr_config_save_to_file: assertion `error == NULL || *error == NULL' failed
[11:09] <tseliot> I can't reproduce the problem here and I don't touch events at all but you can try the new patch when it's available
[11:09] <tseliot> that part is going away
[11:09] <pcjc2> no - I'm suspecting this is something the Intel driver might be exacebating
[11:10] <tseliot> likely
[11:10] <pcjc2> I don't see why it needs to probe hardware on a call to request info
[11:11] <tseliot> right
[11:11] <tseliot> it's a bit weird
[11:11] <pcjc2> XRRGetScreenSizeRange causes the probe
[11:11] <pcjc2> I guess somewhere along the lines, it needs to probe
[11:12] <pcjc2> OTOH, something really needs to cache if its going to want this info at every brightness change
[11:13] <tseliot> XRRGetScreenSizeRange is called every time an event from randr is caught by the g-s-d
[11:13] <pcjc2> you're telling me...
[11:13] <tseliot> which is not right
[11:14] <pcjc2> It did smack of "FIXME"
[11:14] <tseliot> I can write a patch to limit the number of events
[11:14] <tseliot> the g-s-d listens to
[11:14] <pcjc2> but I thought it wise to prod the Xorg people to see if the loop was a problem
[11:14] <tseliot> you did well
[11:15] <pcjc2> Perhaps we should disable retrival events whilst making a request like that - not sure what the correct locking semantics should be
[11:15] <pcjc2> New laptop, new drivers... new bugs
[11:15] <pcjc2> Thanks...
[11:15] <tseliot> if you change the backlight there's no need to check the size of the screen
[11:15] <pcjc2> the hardest part was figuring out it was g-s-d's "fault"
[11:15] <tseliot> and it shouldn't be difficult to change that
[11:16] <pcjc2> mostly by trauling through sysprof profiles to see which processes were actually executing code during the problem.
[11:16] <pcjc2> I've still not figured out what event it is which causes the infinite loop - brightness changes don't seem to be the problem
[11:16] <tseliot> a lot of fun, eh?
[11:16] <pcjc2> (Although the request triggered by that is causing changing brightness to stall the whole system)
[11:17] <pcjc2> I already had most of the debug packages isntalled anyway.. I've been doing software development on a GPL Electronics CAD package, and have been testing out the new cairo rendering with the git HEAD intel drivers
[11:17] <pcjc2> poking sysprof to figure out where the bottlenecks are is kindof routine
[11:18] <mvo> hey, just to confirm, we currently do not have nvidia drivers for the latest xserver-xorg-core? (not sure if that went though before I disconnected)
[11:19] <tjaalton> no
[11:19] <tseliot> nope
[11:19] <mvo> thanks
[11:19] <mvo> I add code in update-manager to deal with that for now
[11:20] <mvo> same for fglrx I suppose?
[11:20] <tjaalton> yep
[11:20] <tseliot> mvo: if nvidia doesn't solve the problem we'll have to use X-Kit to enable the IgnoreABI option in xorg.conf for some drivers
[11:20] <tseliot> as some drivers work with that option in xorg.cofn
[11:21] <pcjc2> tseliot: looking at /usr/include/X11/extensions/randr.h shows the subtype of the notify events I'm getting back is RRNotify_OutputProperty
[11:21] <mvo> tseliot: and that works reliable?
[11:21] <tjaalton> mvo: basically unsupported
[11:21] <tseliot> mvo: which one? The option or X-Kit?
[11:22] <mvo> tseliot: is this planed for alpha-3 ? or should I go ahead and enable checks for update-manager to warn the user and update the xorg.conf?
[11:22] <mvo> tseliot: well, does xorg and nvidia play nicely together if that option is given even if the abi changed?
[11:22] <tseliot> mvo: not always
[11:22] <tjaalton> only with 180 AIUI
[11:23] <tseliot> mvo: I believe it would be safe to disable nvidia in the xorg.conf for now
[11:23] <mvo> thanks tseliot and tjaalton
[11:24]  * mvo wonders if you irc need needs to start with "t" to be a great ubuntu xorg guy :P
[11:24] <tseliot> we should change bryce into tbryce then :-P
[11:24] <tseliot> pcjc2: let me have a look at the protocol spec
[11:25] <mvo> yeah :)
[11:26] <tjaalton> heh
[11:26] <tjaalton> nice, 12kb diff between i915_drm.h from 2.6.28 and libdrm 2.4.3
[11:27] <tseliot> pcjc2: ah, the g-s-d catches RRScreenChangeNotifyMask, RRCrtcChangeNotifyMask, RROutputPropertyNotifyMask
[11:30] <tseliot> pcjc2: it's definitely RROutputPropertyNotify's fault
[11:30] <tseliot> (for the backlight)
[11:31] <tseliot> well, catching that is the cause
[11:31] <tseliot> not the notification itself
[11:32] <tseliot> I'll patch that out
[11:33] <mvo> is there a open bugreport about the abi thing in nvidia/fglrx? I would like to subscribe
[11:33] <tseliot> sure, let me check
[11:35] <tseliot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/308410
[11:36] <tseliot> mvo: ^^
[11:36] <mvo> thanks tseliot
[11:38] <mvo> tseliot: I added a update-manager task (just so that if there is no update we can prepare)
[11:39] <tseliot> mvo: ok, good. This time we can use X-Kit as it supports commenting out things now
[11:40] <mvo> excellent
[11:41] <pcjc2> tseliot: Good stuff
[11:42] <pcjc2> I just scanned through the spec, and I don't think it mentions what Xrandr queries might cause the hardware to probe
[11:42] <pcjc2> but I did notice that if you haven't got the required timstamp (ie.. your idea of the configuration doesn't match the Xserver's), requests will fail
[11:43] <pcjc2> let me know if you want me to test anything before you push it out..
[11:43] <pcjc2> I'm<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and am on the ubuntu-x ML
[11:50] <tseliot> pcjc2: ok, great. I'll send you an email as soon as my patches are ready
[11:55] <tseliot> pcjc2: if that request fails you should only get a RRCONFIGSTATUS which corresponds to the error. No additional probing should be involved
[11:57] <pcjc2> sure.. I just wondered if the reason they poked for details in the first place was so that they had a valid timestamp
[11:57] <pcjc2> Since they don't appear to have probed a full complement of details, I guess that doesn't really help
[11:58] <pcjc2> I've got to go now,
[11:58] <pcjc2> thanks for your assistance
[13:00] <tjaalton> hum, intel <IP_ADDRESS> fails after login
[13:06] <tjaalton> exaCopyDirty: Pending damage region empty!
[13:06] <tjaalton> boom
[13:43] <tseliot> nice
[13:43] <tseliot> :-P
[13:44] <tjaalton> hmm, maybe xserver-xorg-dev should depend on linux-libc-dev
[13:45] <tjaalton> since the drm headers have moved
[13:45] <tjaalton> not that it depends on libdrm-dev either, but..
[14:29] <tjaalton> jcristau: do you agree with the above ^^ (once you get to enjoy the fun :)
[14:35] <tjaalton> huh, what's up with firefox.. "Couldn't load XPCOM"
[14:38] <pcjc2> tseliot: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxrandr/+bug/307306 sounds like it might (possibly) be similar to the bug I was seeing
[14:38] <pcjc2> although he's bisected it to a libxrandr2 upgrade
[14:39] <pcjc2> I tested again, and I'm actually still seeing some xrandr slowness with brightness changes, even with g-s-m killed. It _is_ better with it killed though
[14:41] <tseliot> ok, so we're facing 2 different problems. One in the driver and one in g-s-d
[14:41] <tseliot> which should really be one problem
[14:41] <tseliot> i.e. the one in the driver
[14:42] <tseliot> hmm
[14:43] <tseliot> I can fix the one in g-s-d. Do you know what's causing the problem when g-s-d is not running?
[14:43] <tseliot> pcjc2: ^^
[14:43] <pcjc2> I've not traced it, sorry
[14:44] <pcjc2> I'm not at my house - otherwise I could GDB the X server from another machine
[14:44] <pcjc2> It would be telling to check if the reprobing on brightness changes are still coming from a client of the X server, not within it
[14:45] <tseliot> pcjc2: this would be a first step
[14:47] <pcjc2> Soren Saandman replied on Xorg saying that its the driver being bad for emitting events during the XRRGetScreenSizeRange request
[14:47] <pcjc2> When I'm at my other machine, I'll trace it. Right now, if I try to GDB X11, I'd have to do it from VT1, and then the video drivers wouldn't be running properly
[14:48] <pcjc2> I'd take the view, that since the spec. doesn't say when events are emitted, they can happen at any time
[14:48] <pcjc2> (Although I do think XRRGetScreenSizeRange ought not to probe unnecessarily)
[14:48] <pcjc2> KeithP would be the authority on this
[14:51] <tseliot> yep, this is why I said that it should really be one problem. What we can do is reduce the number of times XRRGetScreenSizeRange in g-s-d. This would be a workaround. KeithP or Jesse Barnes should be able to fix the real problem.
[14:52] <pcjc2> I'll see if they reply to the thread on -xorg, before proding them privately
[14:52] <pcjc2> I've worked with Jesse before fixing bugs in the driver, and have had conversations with Keith various cairo, intel graphics, and general electronics issues
[14:54] <tseliot> yes, they are both very helpful
[14:55] <tseliot> I met Jesse at the UDS in Mountain View and Keith was very helpful when I asked him some questions via email
[15:42] <tjaalton> bryce: so what happened with NV?-)
[16:59] <bryce> tjaalton: ?
[17:00] <superm1> bryce, assuming he is meaning the conference call you sabdfl and them were on?
[17:01] <bryce> ahh, thought something happened to -nv :-)
[17:02] <bryce> right, the meeting was very well attended, and went well, although we focused only on KMS
[17:03] <tjaalton> no talk about the old drivers?
[17:03] <bryce> the main outcome of which is that nVidia will be bringing up their issues relating to KMS on the xorg dev list after they've had some time to digest and determine a plan of attack
[17:03] <bryce> I'm going to follow up on that by email
[17:03] <tjaalton> ok
[17:04] <tjaalton> they'll fully release the vdpau-stuff on git.fd.o
[17:04] <tjaalton> and aaronp asked keith if the video ABI is final for 1.6 (no reply though :)
[17:09] <bryce> btw, any issues on fglrx?
[17:09] <tjaalton> issues?
[17:11] <bryce> nevermind; was just on the amd call, but it's ended now
[17:12] <bryce> told them we didn't know of any major new issues with fglrx; they know what kernel, etc. versions to target for 9.04 and I told them about kms for 9.10
[17:13] <superm1> bryce, well does fglrx work with current jaunty even?
[17:13] <tjaalton> well, fglrx doesn't work currently, thats pretty major so no idea what issues might be waiting to be discovered :)
[17:14] <tjaalton> the need for fglrx in 9.10 will be pretty low (I hope)
[17:35] <bryce> yep
[17:36] <bryce> yeah I figured until they get us a new fglrx build the issues list is going to be short ;-)
[17:37] <superm1> are there more expected ABI bumps for the 9.10 dev cycle?  or does the X roadmap look out that far?
[17:38] <bryce> other than kms we generally don't look quite that far
[17:38] <bryce> however I'd be surprised to not have to do an abi bump for 9.10
[17:39] <superm1> while we're stuck with these binary drivers situation, it'd be nice to have a release where they worked during development time :(
[17:39] <bryce> no kidding
[17:39] <bryce> well I'm hopeful that my early warnings about versions and so on has helped ati in accelerating when they'll supporting version out
[17:40] <bryce> also, isn't it about time for this month's fglrx release?  Or do they skip january?
[17:40] <superm1> yeah.  particularly it will be nice if these early KMS warnings play out properly in their roadmap
[17:40] <superm1> it's every month i thought, so probably very soon?
[17:41] <bryce> they had asked if we'd tested it yet... maybe they meant had we tested their testing version?
[17:42] <tjaalton> wonder if nvidia will open the modesetting driver for the kernel..
[17:42] <tseliot> seb128: I have rebased my patch on the new gnome-desktop API. I don't know whether it solves the problem or not as I can't reproduce the problem described here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-desktop/+bug/314406
[17:42] <tseliot> oh, he's not here and I'm talking to myself
[17:43] <bryce> heh, heya tseliot
[17:43] <tseliot> hey bryce
[17:45] <tjaalton> the abi versions haven't been changed on master, fwiw
[17:46] <tjaalton> so it's possible that 1.7 will be abi-compatible with 1.6
[17:46] <tjaalton> but I don't know if there are pending changes
[18:32] <tseliot> bryce: do you know where xfree() is defined in X?
[18:33] <bryce> tseliot: libx11 would be my guess
[18:34] <bryce> grepping on 'xfree' turns up a few too many hits ;-)
[18:34] <tjaalton> xserver-xorg-dev: /usr/include/xorg/os.h
[18:34] <tjaalton> maybe..
[18:36] <tseliot> ok, thanks
[18:42] <NCommander> bryce, hola
[18:43] <Alexia_Death> tseliot: did you try the patches?
[18:43] <Alexia_Death> tseliot: once rc1 gets in repros you should nit need to patch anything on X side any more.
[19:48] <NCommander> bryce, I'm working on the issue we're having with Freescale SoC boards with Xorg -configure not working. I think the problem is that the autodetect rountines try and search the PCI and ISA buses, which won't find a framebuffer device on this board
[19:49] <NCommander> It seems the only reason we can get X working at all is because it defaults to /dev/fb0 if all else fails :-/
[19:49] <bryce> NCommander: heh
[19:49] <NCommander> Yeah
[19:49] <bryce> NCommander: ok first we typically don't use Xorg -configure to configure X, although no reason it shouldn't work, but that's the upstream approach for generating an xorg.conf file
[19:50] <bryce> you may find it preferable to either use a custom xorg.conf you install directly, or else create a patched version of dexconf
[19:50] <NCommander> I was asked to look at why it doesn't work, but if we don't use it ....
[19:50] <NCommander> SO how does Xorg auto configuration work then?
[19:50] <bryce> now as to the autodetect routines, yes we can certainly fix those up
[19:51] <bryce> there's two things
[19:51] <bryce> first is a PCIID-based approach for selecting drivers on a per-chipset basis
[19:52] <NCommander> That's not going to work here
[19:52] <bryce> e.g. look in /usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/
[19:52] <bryce> right, because the freescale stuff is not pci-based
[19:52] <NCommander> so what's the second approach?
[19:52] <bryce> the second approach is a fallback system that selects a fallback driver based on architecture (or whatever)
[19:53] <bryce> so that's what falls back to vesa, fbdev, or whatever
[19:53] <NCommander> Which falls back to the fbdev device, which itself can't find the framebuffer, throws up its hands and tries /dev/fb0
[19:54] <NCommander> Ok, so what's your official suggestion on how to fix this problem?
[19:55] <bryce> heh, you just asked me how it worked silly ;-)
[19:55] <NCommander> since method one won't work, and method two isn't what I called desirable
[19:55]  * NCommander falls over
[19:55] <bryce> I've no clue
[19:55] <NCommander> hold on, I need to reboot
[19:55] <bryce> ummm
[19:55] <bryce> well you could maybe look into patching the fallback approach since it at least is not pci-based
[19:56] <bryce> however I suspect that's going to be of limited good
[19:56] <NCommander> Well, its loading the right driver, amazingly
[19:56] <NCommander> But yeah, thats a hack, even by my standards
[19:56] <bryce> beyond that, ehh
[19:56] <NCommander> Xorg -configure doesn't use the PCI based method, it calls the Probe method of each driver in-turn
[19:56] <NCommander> Which is why i got confused
[19:57] <bryce> you probably need to develop something analogous to the PCI based method but that works more appropriately for however your hardware works
[19:57] <NCommander> I'm going to guess the PCI code isn't something molder, and its just a stack of stuff in a function somewhere
[19:58] <bryce> yeah Xorg -configure is pretty old school and probably a blind alley for your purposes
[19:58] <NCommander> Ugh, i was afraid of that
[19:58] <NCommander> Hold on, I need to restart
[19:58] <bryce> if it is something you can hardcode into an xorg.conf, then patching dexconf would probably be a viable option... still semi hacky, but for this probably fine
[19:58] <bryce> cya
[20:03] <NCommander> bryce, sorry about that
[20:55] <NCommander> bryce, what's dexconf specifically?
[20:56] <bryce> it's what's run during install to create the xorg.conf, or when doing a dpkg-reconfigure
[20:56] <NCommander> On both the LiveCD, and d-i, or just d-i?
[20:57] <bryce> pretty sure both
[20:57] <NCommander> Thanks
[20:57]  * NCommander is writing a report about this now


[12:53] <jdstrand> zbenjamin: it is the 'á' in 'Zoltán Balogh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Appears trusty's python-3.4 doesn't like it
[12:55] <jdstrand> meh, why did I mention that here?
[12:56] <ogra_> so we can have a meeting about it ?
[12:56] <Laney> someone start a vote
[15:59] <zul> okie dokie
[15:59] <zul> so server team meeting who is here? (in theory)
[15:59] <lutostag> o/
[16:00] <gnuoy> o/
[16:00] <zul> we could always skip it
[16:00] <zul> #startmeeting
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[16:00] <kickinz1> o/
[16:00] <zul> hi so lets get this thing started
[16:01] <smoser> o/
[16:01] <zul> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:01] <matsubara> o/
[16:01] <zul> any action points from the previous meeting?
[16:01] <lutostag> nope
[16:01] <zul> sweet
[16:01] <zul> #topic U Development
[16:02] <zul> smoser: do you want to take this one?
[16:02] <zul> u is awfully close to being released isnt? next week i think
[16:03] <smoser> ^ i'll +1 above.
[16:03] <smoser> yes, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule
[16:03] <smoser> final freeze is the 16th.
[16:03] <smoser> that means. um. you don thave a lot of time to get stuff in.
[16:03] <smoser> it also means that we are in a great time for you to actually assume things work.
[16:03] <smoser> and to try them.
[16:04] <smoser> and yell loudly and quickly if they do not work.
[16:04] <zul> indeed
[16:05] <zul> anything else?
[16:05] <zul> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:05] <zul> caribou:  around?
[16:05] <caribou> zul: I'm here
[16:05] <zul> anything to report?
[16:06] <caribou> zul: nothing aside being sorry for not being there last week, was on training
[16:06] <zul> ok
[16:06] <zul> any questions for caribou
[16:06] <smoser> caribou, we'll let it slide this time.
[16:06] <zul> #topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (psivaa
[16:06] <zul> hi psivaa around?
[16:06] <psivaa> zul: the server iso tests are broken at the moment, this is due to some installation issues. i'll follow this up
[16:06] <caribou> smoser: hope so, it was Python training :)
[16:07] <psivaa> zul: nothing more to update :)
[16:07] <zul> psivaa:  broken as in how?
[16:07] <psivaa> zul: failing to find the kernel module
[16:07] <zul> oh
[16:08] <zul> ok
[16:08] <zul> any questions for psivaa?
[16:08] <psivaa> zul: i still need to figure out the exact issue, during the installation
[16:08] <psivaa> but this is roughly it
[16:08] <zul> ok cool
[16:08] <zul> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee, arges)
[16:08] <zul> hi smb
[16:08] <zul> or he might not be aound due to plumbers
[16:09] <zul> moving on
[16:09] <zul> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:09] <zul> ODS in paris is coming up pretty quickly as well
[16:09] <zul> any other events?
[16:10] <zul> there is another item on the agenda
[16:10] <zul> #topic Discuss EOLing qemu machine types (and legacy roms) (hallyn, rharper)
[16:11] <zul> but they might be at plumbers as well so Ill leave it on the agenda when they et back
[16:11] <zul> #topic Open Discussion
[16:11]  * rbasak wonders if that could be done on the mailing list
[16:11] <zul> anyone have any comments?
[16:12] <zul> rbasak:  it probably could but neither rharper or hallyn is here to tell them to do it
[16:13] <zul> if nothing else
[16:13] <zul> thanks for coming
[16:13] <zul> #endmeeting
[16:13] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Oct 14 16:13:20 2014 UTC.
[16:13] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-10-14-16.00.moin.txt
[16:13] <kickinz1> thanks
[16:14]  * jamespage blinked and missed it
[16:14] <gnuoy> thanks zul
[16:14] <matsubara> thanks zul
[16:14] <zul> jamespage: blink faster next time :)
[16:14] <caribou> thanks zul
[16:23]  * beisner thinks zul set a new record


[03:07] <JoshuaD> is xubuntu 18.04 using x11 or wayland?
[03:51] <Unit193> For anyone else: It uses Xfce, so x11 as there's no support for Wayland.
[05:34] <JoshuaD_> Having trouble with light-locker on xubuntu 18.04.  I have three monitors and I installed the proprietary nvidia video drivers. Now my lock screen is at 800x600 and one of the three monitors is off. How do I configure the light-locker display geometry?
[06:11] <diogenes_> JoshuaD_, maybe try xscreesaver
[06:13] <JoshuaD_> diogenes_: i don't think i'd like to replace light-locker, if that's what you mean
[06:14] <diogenes_> so prior to the installation of nvidia it was behaving normally?
[06:16] <JoshuaD_> diogenes_: It had the right resolution (1600x1200) and all three monitors were on, but the monitor positions were wrong
[06:17] <JoshuaD_> I had a similar problem w/ lightdm that I was able to fix. Here's the solution I pieced together: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1092699/how-to-adjust-display-settings-for-lightdm-greeter-on-18-04
[06:17] <JoshuaD_> but I can't find what config file light-locker is reading
[09:06] <brainwash> JoshuaD: that's a bug in the nvidia driver
[09:07] <brainwash> JoshuaD: bug 1760068
[09:07] <JoshuaD> brainwash, that's really helpful, thank you
[13:48] <Lokie> hello running xubuntu 18.04 kernel 15-0.38 I had the following problem: A) manual suspend works B) suspend while on power after X min works C) suspend on battery after X min errors: gdbus.Error:org.freedesktop.login1.SleepVerbNotSupported: Sleep verb not supported
[13:49] <Lokie> I just updated to 15-0.39 A,B works and on C I get GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Permission denied
[13:54] <brainwash> Lokie: bug 1768038
[13:56] <Lokie> was just looking at that and thinking it's a bit old maybe that's fixed already :p
[13:58] <Lokie> is there a preferred solution? or should I try everything in that page?
[13:58] <brainwash> I assume that no developer has looked into this yet
[13:59] <brainwash> I have no idea (would have to reread the comments)
[14:02] <brainwash> Lokie: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12497
[14:08] <Lokie> thanks will play around with it. It's a bit weird how it's not considered more important. Twice till I found out about it my laptop went to 0% battery which is not exactly a good thing for LiPo or any battery
[14:10] <brainwash> the settings could be added to https://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/tree/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-power-manager.xml
[14:11] <Lokie> yea I have already checked that out. I 'll just have to try one solution at a time
[14:12] <Lokie> I saw some people mentioned you needed to make sure that config contains all the relevant battery-suspend lines and also fix the permissions problem
[14:12] <Lokie> don't have time to test it right now but will do once possible, many thanks brainwash
[14:13] <brainwash> best to add a comment to the launchpad report with your findings/results
[14:15] <Lokie> will do, though prolly gonna ask another question here next days has to do with resolutions when connecting to external TV/display
[15:50] <MarissaO> xubuntu 18.04.1 using kernel 4.19.2 installed from ukuu. When locking machine with cntl-alt-delete screen just goes black, no lock screen appears. 100% failure rate. This is only with 4.19.2. 4.19.1 and 4.19 both lock perfectly. Anyone know how to fix this or where to report it?
[20:24] <xubuntu86d> bonjoout
[20:24] <xubuntu86d> help
[20:24] <xubuntu86d> Hello
[20:24] <diogenes_> !ask | xubuntu86d
[20:24] <diogenes_> also
[20:24] <diogenes_> !fr | xubuntu86d
[20:30] <xubuntu86d> I changed my OS from windows 10 to xubuntu bionic beaver recently and after few hours of settings, I ran a classic "apt update" then "apt upgrade". Then the wifi connection begin to be very bad (modem connection ok but slow page loading). I did some research and conclude that the update change the driver for the network chip. I "unupdate" the dirver's change, the connection is really better but slow down frequently
[20:30] <xubuntu86d> Can someone help me?
[20:34] <diogenes_> xubuntu86d, i had similar issue with xubuntu 18.04, very slow internet, there used to be one trick to get the normal speed
[20:35] <xubuntu86d> Yes? I am listening
[20:35] <diogenes_> run: cat /etc/nsswitch.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:35] <diogenes_> share the output here
[20:35] <xubuntu86d> ok
[20:36] <xubuntu86d> http://termbin.com/1jui
[20:37] <xubuntu86d> I have an Intel network chip that uses wlwifi
[20:37] <diogenes_> try to modify this line: hosts:          files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns
[20:37] <diogenes_> and add: hosts:          files mdns4_minimal resolve [NOTFOUND=return] dns
[20:37] <diogenes_> save, close, reboot
[20:38] <xubuntu86d> Ok I will try
[20:42] <xubuntu83d> it is done
[20:42] <xubuntu83d> I will see if it is better
[20:42] <diogenes_> ok
[20:43] <xubuntu83d> In fact the problem appear some times so I can't be sure it is ok
[20:43] <diogenes_> do a speed test
[20:45] <xubuntu83d> I'm quite ok
[20:45] <xubuntu83d> 10 Mbits/s in download but under 1Mbits/s in upload
[20:45] <diogenes_> so it's fine
[20:45] <diogenes_> come again if the slow down occurs
[20:46] <xubuntu83d> yep thank you!


[04:38] <rezroo> Hi
[04:42] <rezroo> I have a ubuntu-16.04 on google cloud platform, and I give it a multi-mime userdata which I know works on aws. cloud-init configuration seems fine on the server and cloud-init version is 18.2. It executes the first portion which is #cloud-config format but doesn't execute the text/x-shellscript part. Any idea why? I've check /var/log and I don't find any errors. I'm executing a simple 'touch somefile.txt' and there's no file on
[15:16] <Odd_Bloke> powersj: I'm struggling to work out how to make this "get the SSH key on to the instance" change in an appropriate manner.
[15:17] <Odd_Bloke> powersj: I was wondering if you might be able to implement a basic disable_root test (which would enable SSHing to the instance under test from the instance itself), and then I can expand on that once the test framework functionality is in place?
[15:51] <powersj> Odd_Bloke: I'm not sure I see other tests re-using that functionality
[15:51] <powersj> Odd_Bloke: can you show me what you have?
[15:52] <Odd_Bloke> powersj: I haven't got anything, because I couldn't work out where to add it.
[15:54] <Odd_Bloke> (AFAICT, I can't just do it for one test, because tests don't define any Python code that runs on the testing host, so the framework would need to change somehow.)
[16:14] <blackboxsw> rezroo: stderr of scripts get emitted to /var/log/cloud-init-output.log so there may be error messages hiding in there. If you think there is a bug (because you say is works on aws but not on gce) you could file a bug with "ubuntu-bug cloud-init" on the commandline with the details
[17:11] <blackboxsw> rharper: I'll need to steal you for a little bit today on the netplan match question for Azure. when's a good time?
[17:43] <cyphermox> blackboxsw: sorry, what's this about?
[17:47] <blackboxsw> cyphermox: cloud-init uses to netplan's match: macaddress as we expect that mac will be persistent and unique for a single device even despite any logical versus persistnet network naming. this causes an issue for azure instances which end up dropping the original nic and attaching a new nic to the instance.  cloud-init doesn't regenerate netplan network config for this instance, because azure doesn't expose a new UUID
[17:47] <blackboxsw> for the instance (which would trigger a netplan config regeneration), so cloud-init doesn't update network config containing the mac address of the new device
[17:48]  * blackboxsw needs to understand azure's use-case for dropping existing nic and replacing with a new nic. As this feels like an infrequent use-case.
[18:33] <rharper> blackboxsw: I'm back now
[18:33] <rharper> now is fine for chat
[18:33] <blackboxsw> good, deal, grabbing a quick coffee
[18:38] <blackboxsw> rharper: jumping into cloud-init hangout
[18:38] <rharper> k
[18:39] <rharper> blackboxsw: hangout or meet ?
[19:11] <rezroo> blackboxsw: I filed a bug with google. I don't think it's ubuntu's fault. I think gce uses cloud-init in how it provisions ubuntu in it's infrastructure in such a way that subsequent x-shellscripts from the user don't run. If I understand it correctly these are only run once, and if gce runs its own shellscript then there would be a marker in /var/lib/cloud/instance that would stop another script to run. I'm
[22:24] <mgerdts> I'm starting down the path of backports to trusty.  git clone ; git checkout -b trusty-joyent remotes/origin/ubuntu/trusty; make deb
[22:24] <mgerdts> And it wants to use bzr.  Ugh.  Never done that before
[22:24] <dpb1> mgerdts: :)
[22:24] <mgerdts> I can't find any instructions that help me check out this branch from bzr.  README.rst in that branch has instructions that are too terse for a first time bzr user.  Any hints?
[22:25] <mgerdts> Or should I realize that it is after 5 pm and go find a beer instead?  I'm really ok if that is the right answer tonight.  :)
[22:27] <dpb1> mgerdts: which branch?
[22:27] <dpb1> mgerdts: can you point me at the README.rst?
[22:28] <mgerdts> ubuntu/trusty
[22:29] <mgerdts> https://github.com/cloud-init/cloud-init/blob/ubuntu/trusty/HACKING.rst
[22:29] <mgerdts> sorry, HACKING.rst
[22:32] <mgerdts> It was missing the launchpad-login step, so did that, then got a key that works with launchpad, added that to my keyring
[22:33] <mgerdts> https://hastebin.com/fiqulimuwi.rb
[22:53] <dpb1> thanks that helps
[22:54] <dpb1> ah, I see
[22:54] <dpb1> we switched to git
[22:55] <dpb1> so, your first step there is failing, you are trying to checkout in effect the 'trunk' branch of the repository, but that is now in git.
[22:58] <dpb1> I know that for trusty, things are still in flux, as you'll notice there is no branch in the upstream git repo for 'ubuntu/trusty'.
[22:58] <dpb1> like there is for 'ubuntu/xenial'
[22:59] <dpb1> mgerdts: tl;dr, for trusty, I think you should get that beer and ask when folks are around tomorrow. :)
[23:00] <mgerdts> Good plan.  :)


[00:53] <lukinfore> hi
[00:54] <zoredache_> !hi
[00:54] <lukinfore> when I logout from vt it automatically switch to X (vt7)
[00:54] <lukinfore> is it normal behavior for jaunty?
[00:55] <zoredache_> lukinfore: I have seen that as well...  I assumed it was normal
[00:55] <durt> lukinfore, seems to be
[00:55] <lukinfore> ok, thanks
[00:56] <lukinfore> but can that be changed?
[01:00] <d42k51d3> hello all!
[01:00] <zoredache> lukinfore: that is a good question, I am not sure... You may be able to get an answer in #ubuntu, since upstart is the same there
[01:01] <d42k51d3> Is this a good place for noob questions?
[01:02] <zoredache> if your question is related to xubuntu, then yes this is good starting point
[01:02] <d42k51d3> great!
[01:02] <lukinfore> zoredache, I'll try
[01:02] <d42k51d3> I was wondering how to put an item on the panel to open a terminal
[01:03] <zoredache> right click, choose add new item, choose launcerh, for your launcher use a command line of 'xfce4-terminal'
[01:04] <d42k51d3> ah, merci!
[01:06] <d42k51d3> ok, I got another one for ya...
[01:07] <zoredache> !ask
[01:08] <d42k51d3> how do I change the sound scheme in xubuntu?  I can't seem to find info on it anywhere and I'm tarting to think that maybe the xfce desktop just doesn't support system sounds
[01:09] <zoredache> I am not sure.  You may be right in thinking that it doesn't have sound events
[02:02] <Memfis> How do I add a new shortcut/link on the desktop to a folder/directory?
[02:03] <Memfis> I can lauchers for programs and urls but not to a local folder.
[02:03] <Memfis> Sorry if its a dumb question :(
[02:06] <gorgut> Memfis, not a dumb question :)
[02:06] <Memfis> Not dumb if none know the answer lol
[02:06] <Memfis> no-one* damn typos today
[02:06] <htavares> Memfis, you can create a soft link
[02:07] <gorgut> cd ~/Desktop && ln -s /path/to/your/folder/
[02:07] <gorgut> that's the way I know how to do it :p
[02:07] <Memfis> ahh symlink it from terminal fair enough. I presume there'd be a nice little popup to do it and add icons etc like the others :)
[02:08] <gorgut> Memfis, probably is... never really tried to do it in the GUI... heh
[02:09] <Memfis> Thank you. Tha'll do nicely for now.
[02:09] <Memfis> that'll*
[02:10] <gorgut> Memfis, no problem :)
[02:14] <CYF> hey gorgut
[02:14] <CYF> I have a question for you
[02:14] <gorgut> CYF, sure, what's up?
[02:15] <zoredache> if you want to create a launcher to a folder you can make your launcher be 'thunar "path"'
[02:15] <zoredache> so - thunar /home/username/Desktop would open up my desktop
[02:16] <CloseYetFar> when ever I click on a url link in Thur it moves firefox to the current desktop im in. But i want firefox to stay where it is currently
[02:16] <CloseYetFar> it used to work that way and I changed something
[02:17] <CloseYetFar> even when I click a mucis file it moves xmms to thunars current desktop
[02:18] <J_Litewski> it may be a configuration error in Thunar
[02:19] <J_Litewski> i'll see if it happens to me CloseYetFar
[02:19] <CloseYetFar> actully i just tried it in xchat and it moves firefox to xchats current desktop as well
[02:19] <CloseYetFar> i clicked a link in xchat
[02:20] <CloseYetFar> i just want stuff that is currently running to stay put lol
[02:21] <gorgut> sounds like some kinda setting with window focusing... i'm not sure
[02:21] <J_Litewski> CloseYetFar, happens to me too
[02:21] <CloseYetFar> hmm
[02:22] <J_Litewski> i think it's a bug
[02:22] <gorgut> you using compiz?
[02:22] <CloseYetFar> nope
[02:22] <J_Litewski> me? no
[02:22] <CloseYetFar> i have no need for it
[02:23] <J_Litewski> CloseYetFar, does it do it with each program you use?
[02:23] <J_Litewski> or just thunar?
[02:23] <CloseYetFar> looks like all of them
[02:24] <J_Litewski> it may accually be a problem with the virtual desktop
[02:26] <CloseYetFar> yea
[02:26] <J_Litewski> i think it is
[02:27] <J_Litewski> links work just fine if you have firefox opened in the desktop your in
[02:27] <J_Litewski> but it jumps desktops if you don't
[02:27] <J_Litewski> i just tried it
[02:28] <CloseYetFar> yea
[02:31] <Memfis> zoredache thank you
[02:31] <CloseYetFar> thanks for the help anyway
[02:35] <Memfis> using zoredache's thunar method, is it possible to use $username in the destination. eg thunar /home/$username/Desktop
[02:36] <Memfis> $username doesn't work but you get the idea
[02:37] <gorgut> Memfis, just do ~/Desktop
[02:37] <gorgut> it should understand that "~" is your home folder
[02:37] <Memfis> cant as it's not actually in ~
[02:37] <gorgut> oh
[02:37] <gorgut> then just use the full path?
[02:37] <gorgut> /home/(user)/Music or whatever
[02:38] <Memfis> hmm true. I had an idea, but thinking about it it's not possible under linux.
[02:39] <gorgut> you sure? :p
[02:39] <gorgut> that sounds like a challenge
[02:39] <gorgut> heheh
[02:39] <Memfis> hang on, sure it must be. Is there a generic place that adds an icon to all users desktops?
[02:40] <gorgut> you could write a bash script to do it :p
[02:40] <Memfis> eg on XP its Documents and Settings\All Users or sommat
[02:40] <gorgut> right
[02:41] <Memfis> add a shortcut there it appears on everyones desktop. New users too.
[02:42] <Memfis> Not that simple on linux huh?
[02:43] <gorgut> I'm sure it could be, but it's a little outside the scope of my knowledge :)
[02:43] <Memfis> Fair enough :)
[02:43] <Memfis> gnight all.
[02:43] <gorgut> night
[03:30] <SML1226> Hey has anybody ever had any problem transferring files to a flash drive? I have a 4.3GB file and a newly formatted 8GB drive but it keeps saying not enough space
[03:35] <SML1226> Or does anybody know how to make a bootable flash drive from an iso file?
[03:38] <EtFb> I've tried and failed twice now to create a VMWare virtual machine running Xubuntu.  It does the installation, then I restart and it just sits there.  What am I doing wrong?
[03:39] <EtFb> It's kind of odd that it finishes installation and then boots in the RAM-Disk/LiveCD mode without giving a message to say I've succeeded.  Is that normal?
[03:39] <tech0007> im on xubuntu, & I always get "fbsetbg: something went wrong while setting the wallpaper. run 'display ...blah blah from an exterm" this msg never goes away...any suggestion?
[04:13] <meowImAKitty> Hey gang, does any one know how to install fonts!?!?
[04:14] <SML1226> you copy the ttf file into the .fonts folder in your home folder
[04:14] <meowImAKitty> :S there is no "fonts" folder in my home folder.
[04:15] <SML1226> its not there by default and if you have added before it still should be hidden
[04:15] <SML1226> add a .fonts folder
[04:16] <SML1226> . makes it hidden btw just in case you didn't know
[04:16] <meowImAKitty> Okay created my .fonts folder in my home folder, now all I do is copy over the ttf and its installed? or is there something else to do??
[04:17] <meowImAKitty> Yeah I'm viewing all the "hidden" folders and files.
[04:17] <SML1226> i believe thats all you do. then you change your font in system settings
[04:18] <meowImAKitty> I can still use that font in programs too right?
[04:18] <meowImAKitty> I'm running Macromedia Flash MX through Wine, and I need that font for that application.
[04:19] <SML1226> oh through wine it might be different
[04:19] <SML1226> not sure
[04:20] <SML1226> if it runs like window then it is in the C:\ directory but since there is no windows files it probably isn't there. no clue
[04:36] <EtFb> What's "ubiquity"?  Should I be worried that it crashed while I was installing Xubuntu?
[07:18] <andrew_> I'm looking for help troubleshooting wireless after a fresh install...anyone who can help?
[07:24] <Persi> hi there, whys Jaunty so slow?
[07:25] <Persi> is it temporary?
[08:53] <BigMoopies> I messed up and ran nautlius under XFCE and now the desktop wont show up correctly, is there a way to fix this?
[08:55] <BigMoopies> is it possible to uninstall/reinstall the xubuntu desktop ?
[08:58] <TheSheep> just kill nautilus
[08:58] <TheSheep> system->system monitor
[08:58] <TheSheep> find nautilus and terminate it
[08:58] <TheSheep> then maybe go to settings->setting manager->desktop and check the 'let xfce manage my desktop' checkbox
[09:00] <BigMoopies> TheSheep, The "let xfce manage my desktop" worked
[09:00] <BigMoopies> the desktop*
[09:01] <BigMoopies> I guess I shouldn't make that  boo boo again
[14:35] <alienkid> doea anyone know if the DMZ-white cursors have a Windows port and if so where to get?
[14:44] <alienkid> join #ubuntu
[14:59] <press> Hi all, I have an old PC (300mhz, 128mb ram), I'm wondering, if Xubuntu would work fine on it? If not, could you tell me wich graphic system would?
[15:02] <genii> 192Mb would be better, but should still work with 128. Hopefully the video card is something OK and not a UniChrome or other oddball make
[15:03] <press> it's RIVA TNT 32mb
[15:04] <press> and do you know how it would work with wireless usb card?
[15:05] <TheSheep> there is a compatibility list on the wiki
[15:05] <TheSheep> !compatibility
[15:05] <TheSheep> :/
[15:06] <tavasti> press, what apps you are planning to run?
[15:06] <tavasti> plain window manager is not very usefull, it's the apps
[15:06] <TheSheep> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[15:07] <press> i want only IM (pidgin), web browser, and this USB card
[15:07] <press> that's it
[15:07] <tavasti> web browser for what
[15:07] <TheSheep> www with flash and java?
[15:07] <Mood> what kind of wifi card?
[15:07] <press> TheSheep, thanks
[15:08] <tavasti> pages with flas & java can be heavy
[15:08] <press> USB wifi card, it's TP-Link TL-WN321G
[15:08] <TheSheep> flash and java are memory hogs, firefox can be a hog too with many tabs
[15:08] <TheSheep> add more ram if you can
[15:08] <press> I know that, but I wont open this kind of pages often
[15:08] <TheSheep> press: I tried it once, didn't work out of the box, didn't have time to play more with it
[15:08] <press> I tried to add more ram, but then it just don;t turn on
[15:08] <tavasti> install and you see if it's usable in your use
[15:09] <press> TheSheep: what did you try?
[15:09] <TheSheep> press: tp-link usb wifi
[15:09] <TheSheep> press: you might check the forums for it though, maybe someone has a recipe
[15:09] <press> on this page it is said that it works: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsTP-Link#USB
[15:10] <TheSheep> press: that's great, apparently I did something wrong :)
[15:10] <press> I'm happy as well :D
[15:10] <press> But I don't think Kubuntu will run well on this PC
[15:11] <TheSheep> xubuntu will be slow too
[15:11] <press> what graphic system would you recomend?
[15:11] <press> Fluxbox? as in DSL?
[15:11] <TheSheep> press: you'd save some memory, but not much
[15:12] <TheSheep> press: ah, sorry, I had TL-WN422G card
[15:12] <press> never mind ;)
[15:12] <press> so could you tell me which distro should I install?
[15:13] <ablomen> press, you might want to try puppy, it has a lot of applications out of the box and is verry small
[15:13] <ablomen> http://www.puppylinux.org/
[15:14] <press> I've heard of it
[15:14] <Mood> i've had great experience w/ debian lenny + fluxbox on an old 500 Mhz P3 with 128MB ram
[15:15] <Mood> you could use links2  or if you're really hardcore dillo as a web browser instead of firefox
[15:15] <TheSheep> archlinux could be tweaked to work on it too
[15:16] <TheSheep> press: also, which protocol do you need for IM?
[15:16] <tavasti> I would go installing text-only ubuntu, and adding by hand X+ fvwm or something similar
[15:16] <press> I think i will try puppy, because it says on their site, that it works
[15:16] <TheSheep> press: pidgin is a little heavy if you only need jabber
[15:17] <press> It's Gadu-Gadu - polish communikator
[15:17] <tavasti> but definitely, installing ready to run minimalistic linux is easier
[15:17] <press> *communicator
[15:17] <Mood> smallest linux footprint distro would be damnsmalllinux
[15:17] <TheSheep> press: ugh
[15:17] <TheSheep> press: there are some jabber-gadugadu gateways...
[15:18] <press> i know it, but i'm not shure if DSL would work with this card
[15:18] <press> I could stand XP on it for nearly 2 weeks, so I think I would stand with anything else ;)
[15:19] <press> *could
[15:21] <press> I have to go
[15:22] <press> thanks for your help
[15:22] <press> bye
[15:46] <rever> Hi I just installed Xubutnu 9.04 Is there any way I can browse my Windows Shares? I love xfce4 and it's small footprint but I need to view Windows Shares
[15:47] <brandonban6> !samba| rever
[15:47] <rever> I did google this and only found info on mounting them at command line. Then using Thunar to brows the mount
[15:47] <brandonban6> rever, are these shares on the same harddrive?
[15:47] <rever> No they are over the network
[15:48] <brandonban6> ah, then samba is the way to go!
[15:48] <rever> I installed Samba but Thunar does not have a network icon to see all viewable windows machines on the network
[15:49] <rever> I even shared a drive from my Xubuntu Laptop to my windows Desktop. I just cannot go the other way easily
[15:49] <rever> I have mounted the shares via command line to /media/samba/MyDesktop. However, I was wondering is there anyway to do this on demand like in Gnome and KDE.
[15:50] <brandonban6> rever, i don't know that I follow what you mean by "on demand"
[15:51] <rever> In Gnome and KDE I have a Network Icon in Places that opens up My windows Network showing all the computers on the network.
[15:52] <rever> I can then click on a computer and see it's shares. Then click on the share and mount it from there. No need to do it from cli
[15:54] <brandonban6> ahh, I see. Hmm, not sure on that one. I stick to cli. I don't know, maybe there is a plugin for thunar that allows you to see those options, or perhaps just install nautilus...? I'm just guessing at this point though.
[15:55] <rever> I don't mind cli much but trying to train someone else to use this and for ease of use would be nice to have. I rather not install nautilus or konq with all there dependencies. Thanks for the advice
[15:56] <brandonban6> rever, fair enough. Good luck to you. If you figure it out, I'd appreciate you sharing what you did :)
[15:57] <brandonban6> rever, have you posted on the forums yet?
[15:57] <rever> Not yet looked around on it for the answer but have not posted yet. I usually ask on IRC first then there
[16:00] <rever> Well a nice work around looks like using gigolo
[16:37] <Slonkie> hmm. everytime i start up xubuntu it allways starts the applications i had running when i shut down. Is it possible to turn this feature off?
[16:44] <brandonban6> Slonkie, that's somewhere in the settings. you need to turn off "saved session for next logon" or something like that. Sorry I'm not more specific, i'm on my ubuntu box at the moment and can't remember where that setting is.
[16:45] <Slonkie> I turned that off, it's there when you shutdown
[16:56] <papu> Hello everybody
[16:56] <papu> I got a problem with graphics, and i'm total newbie. Can someone help me?
[17:33] <TT2000> i'm running intrepid amd64 but i'm having 32 compatibility issues.  is there a (simple) way to fix this without dumping amd64 and reverting to x86?
[17:34] <TheSheep> depends on the issues
[17:36] <TT2000> i have installed 4 ia32 packages...am having issue with ...wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
[17:39] <kora_> hi im using 8.10;  i wanted to make my ntfs harddrive mount automatically with write privileges for my user, so i added " /dev/sdb1       /media/pladde   fuse    user    0       0" to my fstab. when i plug it in it says my user has no permission to mount blick device. what do i need to to? any advice?
[17:41] <Besogon> /dev/sda3 /media/ntfs   ntfs    defaults,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[17:41] <Besogon> It is in my fstab
[17:42] <kora_> Besogon: thanks ill try it out
[17:42] <Slonkie> In my fstab it's ntfs-3g and relatime instead of "fuse" and "user"
[17:44] <Besogon> Slonkie, you cant write to your ntfs partition. ntfs-3g only for reading
[17:44] <Slonkie> all right
[17:44] <Slonkie> just diden't work when i used ntfs only
[17:45] <Slonkie> and i believe i'm able to write to it with ntfs-3g
[17:45] <kora_> prblem is, if i plug the drive in, i get an error "only root can mount,.." with your line besogon
[17:45] <kora_> ntfs-3g is for writing ntfs filesystems as far as i know
[17:46] <Slonkie> I am capable of writing, Besogon. :-)
[17:46] <kora_> are your ntfs partitions on your internal hard drive?
[17:47] <kora_> ah i c,... yours are sdA
[17:47] <Slonkie> Yea
[17:47] <kora_> so the drive as is, is already mounted
[17:47] <kora_> my problem is that the partition is on a drive that i plug in to usb
[17:48] <kora_> so it normally needs root privileges because its a block device
[17:48] <kora_> is there a way to add some sudo magic to the mount of block devices?
[17:49] <Besogon> I wrong. he) may be it with "ntfs" instead "ntfs-3g"... But kora_ Are you have USB-flash with ntfs in it?
[17:50] <kora_> Besogon: its a usb hard drive which i plug in from time to time to archive data
[17:50] <kora_> Besogon: thats the problem its a new block device to the system, so i need root privileges to mount it i guess
[17:51] <Besogon> If you have only USB you should not write any line in fstab.
[17:51] <kora_> ok, so what would you recomment to mount it with wirte privilege?
[17:53] <kora_> i c your point, if i plug in another drive it will be sdb too and maybe has another fs on it,..
[17:53] <Besogon> Ask anybody else. (on #ubuntu may be). It is not so easy to decide your problem
[17:53] <kora_> ok thanks for the hints
[17:58] <Besogon> kora_, in ubuntu is included "users-admin" utility. In xfce I dont know
[17:59] <Slonkie> when you insert an NTFS drive it auto mounts?
[17:59] <Slonkie> atleast mine does when i insert one
[18:03] <TheSheep> !ntfs
[18:03] <Besogon> He want to have possibility to write on USB-hard (like I undestand)
[18:03] <TheSheep> !NTFS-3g
[18:04] <Besogon> OK. Ntfs only for read.  I remembered it.
[18:19] <samu> Hey, It's me again, I have question. So, I want my xubuntu to show text more clearly, so how can I make text smoother and easier to read? Like the ClearType in Windows
[18:45] <Slonkie> hmm. everytime i start up xubuntu it allways starts the applications i had running when i shut down. Is it possible to turn this feature off? i tried turning off "Save seesions for future logins" but diden't work.
[18:46] <vinnl> Slonkie, you first have to close all those applications, then select "save session" and *then*, the next time, uncheck that checkbox
[18:47] <Slonkie> ah clever
[18:47] <Slonkie> i'll try that, thanks vinnl.
[18:48] <Slonkie> now that i've got you, you remember helping me make an shortcut for maple? Is it possible to make an icon for this shortcut? :)
[18:49] <vinnl> Slonkie, sure
[18:49] <vinnl> Do you already have the icon anywhere?
[18:50] <Slonkie> there is images in the maple folder but not sure if their the icons, since i can't watch them with any picture viewer
[18:50] <Slonkie> just trying to find some
[18:50] <vinnl> If they're images they can be icons
[18:51] <vinnl> Well... The most common image formats, at least :P
[18:51] <Slonkie> All right i've got them.
[18:51] <Slonkie> it's .png
[18:51] <vinnl> That's OK, I think
[18:52] <vinnl> Slonkie, anyway, to the .desktop file, you just add a line "Icon=<path to image>"
[18:52] <vinnl> (For examples, try editing some of the files in /usr/share/applications with Mousepad)
[18:52] <Slonkie> What's mousepad?
[18:52] <vinnl> Xubuntu's text editor
[18:52] <Slonkie> aha
[18:53] <Slonkie> i prefer nano
[18:53] <vinnl> By the way, for speed, it may be beneficial to first resize the image before you set it as icon
[18:53] <vinnl> Oh any text editor will do :)
[18:53] <Slonkie> Doesn't mather where in the .desktop file i add it?
[18:54] <vinnl> I don't think so, as long as it is not on top
[18:54] <vinnl> For Abiword it's below the Exec= line
[18:54] <Slonkie> okay
[18:56] <Slonkie> this is wierd.. i can't find the maple.desktop :S
[18:57] <Slonkie> tho it's still in my applications menu
[18:57] <vinnl> It's in ~/.local/share/applications I suppose
[18:58] <Slonkie> ah thanks.. i thought it would be in /usr/share/applications
[18:59] <Slonkie> and how is it i reload that datebase needed?
[18:59] <Slonkie> database*
[18:59] <vinnl> Off the top of my head, sudo update-desktop-database
[19:01] <Slonkie> doesn't work
[19:01] <Slonkie> the Icon=<path>
[19:01] <vinnl> Hmm :S
[19:03] <Slonkie> Icon=/root/maple11/bin/maple_icon.gif
[19:03] <Slonkie> ah nvm
[19:03] <Slonkie> maybe it's me
[19:03] <Slonkie> agian :P
[19:03] <vinnl> It works now?
[19:03] <genii> Hm /root
[19:04] <Slonkie> Yep once agian it's my fault
[19:04] <Slonkie> maple chose that dir, genii :(
[19:49] <Slonkie> Is there anyway to remove all the games easy?
[19:50] <cody-somerville> yea
[19:52] <Slonkie> How?
[20:00] <cody-somerville> remove the gnome-games package
[20:01] <Slonkie> Thanks
[20:15] <Slonkie> Anybody knows if there's any application that's capable of making Thunderbird go to tray when minimizing automaticly, not like kdocker where i have to do it manually?
[20:25] <cody-somerville> kdocker is kde
[20:26] <Slonkie> i know
[20:55] <Lint01> how can I switch keyboard layouts in XFCE?
[20:57] <UKGent> Lint01 This might be useful to you   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=63759
[20:59] <Lint01> I don't think it's gonna work; this entire section in xorg.conf is commented out because "hal is used instead"
[20:59] <UKGent> Lint01 It seems that there is no obvious way to do it from what I can see - just did a very quick search
[22:13] <Zzyzx_> anyone know how to get around the 8.10 amd64 alternate installer failing after activating SATA RAID on an ASUS P5E-VM DO ?
[22:13] <Zzyzx_> i think it's an HDMI problem?
[23:26] <newuser> key stroke combination for kill X (ctrl+alt+backspace) doesn't work (This on sony vaio pcg-fx120 laptop running 8.04)  suggestions?  (running xev shows that keys are working- not have no effect on killing x)
[23:35] <jarnos> newuser: maybe you could press Ctrl-Alt-F1 and kill X from there?
[23:38] <lukinfore> there is DontZap option in your xorg.conf, If it's enabled, mentioned keystroke won't work. Try to disable it in serverflags section
[23:39] <lukinfore> but, that was default on 8.04 afaik


[15:20] <STremblay> Hello everybody
[15:32] <jelmer> hi STremblay
[16:06] <STremblay> I am having somewhat of an issue with my Bazaar Client on Windows 7. With the GUI toolks almost every single operation I try to do gives me the same error.
[16:06] <STremblay> bzr: ERROR: Could not acquire lock "(local)": file:///C:/Users/XXXX/AppData/Roaming/bazaar/2.0/lock
[16:07] <STremblay> I did not install the Tortoise client and  the Automatically refresh status report option is checked off
[16:08] <STremblay> The application will freeze when I click ok or cancel or even the close window button and after about 20 seconds or so, the erorr will pop up with the buttons Ignore error or close application. Ignore brings me back to the window that generated the error, closse the app closes it.
[16:08] <STremblay> If I ignore errors, the changes made in the dialog are often not saved.
[16:10] <STremblay> I've been searching for a solution for days and I can't figure it out. I've been using the Cygwin client instead, but I would really like access to the GUI tools to visualize things.
[16:10] <STremblay> We use this a my job and if I can't get it to work properly, this is a big problem.
[16:11] <STremblay> If anyone has any idea what could cause this or how to fix it, I would really appreciate it
[16:21] <STremblay> I found this is also a problem using the commandline tools
[16:24] <mgz> STremblay: you probably don't want your bzr stuff under Roaming, is that a network filesystem?
[16:25] <STremblay> no, that's a local directory
[16:25] <mgz> the windows nfs stuff is not very good at keeping operations ordered, so the dir renaming lock stuff bzr does can get tripped up
[16:26] <STremblay> you mean ntfs?
[16:28] <mgz> nopenope, and actually that symptom is slightly different
[16:30] <mgz> can you pastebin the whole traceback please?
[16:31] <STremblay> brb. I have to reboot.
[16:34] <STremblay> I'm back
[16:35] <STremblay> Ok, so I uninstalled everything and deleted the folder under AppData/Roaming. I'm going to retry installing the thing from scratch
[16:37] <mgz> thanks.
[16:38] <mgz> what version, by the way?
[16:45] <STremblay> 2.5.1
[16:46] <STremblay> using the bundled python 2.6.6
[20:35] <STremblay> Hello.
[20:35] <STremblay> Has anyone here ever had problems using bzr under Windows 7 x64?
[20:36] <STremblay> I'm having issues where bazaar can't acquire locks
[20:37] <STremblay> for example, I do a simple bzr checkout bzr+ssh://server/repo/branch and I get the message bzr: ERROR: Could not acquire lock "(local)": file:///C:/Workspace/projet/branch
[20:37] <STremblay> this happens every time
[20:37] <STremblay> I haven't been able to find any help online regarding this.
[20:43] <STremblay> Otherwise, is there any possibility to use qbzr and bzrexplorer with the bazaar in cygwin?
[20:44] <STremblay> I've been trying to resolve this all day and I need this to work. We're using bzr at the office and for some reason it just won't work on my machine. I'm using Win 7 x64
[20:53] <STremblay> I'm back. I had to reboot again.
[20:53] <STremblay> I anybody here at all?


[10:58] <huehner> doko: tdaitx sorry for asking yet again... do you have some updated ETA for the -security copy?
[13:29] <tdaitx> huehner: we are planning to do it Thursday, assuming no other problems are found until then
[13:57] <huehner> tdaitx: great, thx for the update...
[13:57] <huehner> apart big thanks for all the effort you guys invest to get that done :))


[08:41] <lukasa_> jamespage: got a sec?
[08:44] <jamespage> lukasa_, sure
[08:45] <lukasa_> First, thanks for the nova-cc + nova-compute merges a few days ago. =D
[08:45] <lukasa_> Just wanted to confirm something I thought I heard
[08:45] <lukasa_> My understanding is that the OpenStack charms are relased twice a year: April and October. Is that right?
[08:51] <jamespage> lukasa_, 4 times a year - 01 04 07 10
[08:51] <lukasa_> Ah cool. =) That makes more sense.
[08:51] <lukasa_> Brill, thanks! That was all I needed to know. =)
[08:53] <Odd_Bloke> Someone might want to fix the topic. >.<
[08:53] <jamespage> lukasa_, which where your mp's? I've done alot of landing in the last week
[08:53] <lukasa_> Odd_Bloke: Uh...wow. I hadn't actually noticed...
[08:53] <lukasa_> jamespage: Calico ones for nova-compute and nova-cloud-controller
[08:54] <jamespage> lukasa_, ah - gotcha
[08:54] <lukasa_> Odd_Bloke: That said, there are no ops in this channel atm...
[08:55] <Odd_Bloke> Well, that's an improvement, at least.
[08:55] <lukasa_> +1
[08:57] <Odd_Bloke> Logs FTW.
[11:16] <zw> Hi there.
[11:17] <zw> I have a small question. We have an openstack cluser offering debian / centos / windows vm's to customers. Can we use Juju as an addon for a customer to boot a debian vm with haproxy/mysql/... whatever ? Or de we need to use a specific distro for that ?
[11:25] <marcoceppi_> zw: currently Juju supports Ubuntu and Windows as deployable series. CentOS support is landing soon and Debian soon after that
[11:25] <zw> marcoceppi_: ok thank jou
[11:25] <zw> marcoceppi_: can I for example deploy debian vm's/centos vm's/ubuntu vm's but only allow juju on ubuntu ?
[11:26] <zw> As an extra
[11:27] <marcoceppi_> zw: if you wanted to, sure. Juju doesn't care what else is deployed along side it, it just has a limitation (one we're working to resolve) on Ubuntu and Windows guests atm
[18:19] <lazyPower> hazmat: ping
[18:26] <arosales> charmers is https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/ubuntu/+bug/1423694 to update the precise ubuntu charm?
[18:26] <mup> Bug #1423694: ubuntu charm lacks lxc bridge config <ubuntu (Juju Charms Collection):Triaged by cbjchen> <ubuntu (Charms Precise):Triaged by cbjchen> <ubuntu (Charms Trusty):Fix Released by cbjchen> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1423694>
[18:27] <arosales> I think the charmers had promoted the trusty version . . .
[18:27] <arosales> marcoceppi_, ^


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[05:17] <xu-irc9w> hi, i just installled xubuntu 20.04 but in the setting menu i dont find the app store from where we used to install
[05:17] <xu-irc9w> software
[05:21] <diogenes_> xu-irc9w, it's snap store now afaik.
[05:22] <xu-irc9w> where to find it
[05:23] <xu-irc9w> in which menu, in menu it dows not appear
[05:24] <diogenes_> in the menu type store.
[05:25] <xu-irc9w> pls help, it does not appear
[05:28] <diogenes_> xu-irc9w, open the terminal.
[05:31] <xu-irc9w> ok opened the terminal
[05:31] <diogenes_> type in there: snap-store
[05:31] <diogenes_> hit enter
[05:32] <xu-irc9w> yes loading
[05:33] <xu-irc9w> loaded, thanks , but how to the same in the setting menu as like software centre
[05:34] <xu-irc9w> how to add it in setting menu
[05:34] <diogenes_> xu-irc9w, if you want we can put it there.
[05:34] <xu-irc9w> ok pls
[05:35] <xu-irc9w> put
[05:36] <diogenes_> ok in terminal run the following: mousepad ~/.local/share/applications/snapstore.desktop
[05:37] <diogenes_> tell me when done.
[05:37] <xu-irc9w> done
[05:37] <diogenes_> so you've got an emty document?
[05:38] <xu-irc9w> yes
[05:38] <diogenes_> ok in a minute i'll give you what to write there.
[05:38] <xu-irc9w> ok
[05:43] <diogenes_> xu-irc9w, open this link and copy the content into that document: http://dpaste.com/3Z4915M
[05:44] <xu-irc9w> copied
[05:44] <xu-irc9w> next!
[05:45] <diogenes_> save, close and run this command: chmod +x ~/.local/share/applications/snapstore.desktop
[05:46] <xu-irc9w> hey   hurraaa huura it comes
[05:46] <diogenes_> does it have an icon?
[05:46] <xu-irc9w> yes sir
[05:47] <diogenes_> ok good.
[05:47] <xu-irc9w> but can you just tell why this happened to me... does everybode face the same i had faced!!
[05:49] <diogenes_> there haven't beed reports so far but snap applications sometimes forget to put the menu entries.
[05:50] <xu-irc9w> then gnome-software is not require to install in addition to snap store!!
[05:51] <diogenes_> it was replaced by snap store.
[05:51] <xu-irc9w> ok thanks
[05:52] <xu-irc9w> one more help
[05:52] <xu-irc9w> sumit@sumit-To-be-filled-by-O-E-M how to change this name to only sumit@sumit
[05:52] <xu-irc9w> in the terminal
[05:55] <diogenes_> i'll give you the instructions, thats a hostname.
[05:55] <diogenes_> !hostname
[05:56] <diogenes_> but don't do nothing yest.
[05:58] <diogenes_> run this: cat /etc/hosts | nc termbin.com 9999
[05:58] <xu-irc9w> ok
[05:58] <diogenes_> you gonna get a link url so paste it here.
[05:59] <xu-irc9w> https://termbin.com/3j7z
[06:00] <diogenes_> now run: cat /etc/hostname | nc termbin.com 9999
[06:01] <diogenes_> share
[06:01] <xu-irc9w> https://termbin.com/ve2m
[06:02] <diogenes_> now run: pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY mousepad /etc/hosts
[06:04] <xu-irc9w> done
[06:04] <diogenes_> now change this line:
[06:04] <diogenes_> <IP_ADDRESS>	sumit-To-be-filled-by-O-E-M
[06:04] <diogenes_> to
[06:05] <diogenes_> <IP_ADDRESS>	sumit sumit-To-be-filled-by-O-E-M
[06:05] <xu-irc9w> done
[06:06] <xu-irc9w> save!
[06:06] <diogenes_> save close and run: pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY mousepad /etc/hostname
[06:07] <xu-irc9w> sumit-To-be-filled-by-O-E-M
[06:07] <xu-irc9w> this has come
[06:07] <diogenes_> remove: sumit-To-be-filled-by-O-E-M and write sumit
[06:08] <xu-irc9w> done
[06:08] <diogenes_> save close reboot.
[06:08] <xu-irc9w> ok
[06:08] <xu-irc9w> thanks a lot
[06:08] <diogenes_> come with a feedback.
[06:09] <xu-irc9w> ok
[06:17] <sumit88> diogenes_ sir it has appeared sumit@sumit
[06:17] <sumit88> thanks
[06:18] <diogenes_> sumit88, now to make sure sudo works, run: sudo apt update
[06:18] <sumit88> ok
[06:19] <sumit88> All packages are up to date.sumit@sumit:~$ this is the message
[06:19] <diogenes_> ok enjoy your cup of linux then :)
[06:20] <sumit88> (y) (y) (y) (y) O:3
[08:58] <Marius15> Dear all,
[08:59] <Marius15> I am using Xubuntu 20.04 on a Dell Latitude E5570 and the sound on speakers is ok, but when I plug in the headsets in the audio port, I get no sound at all.
[09:00] <Marius15> From a visual perspective, it looks that the sound is still emitted, however, any audio device plugged in does not get any sound. I tried playing with the mixer and no results. '=(  Any help, please?
[09:16] <diogenes_> Marius15, what i set in pavucontrol > configuration > profile?
[09:16] <Marius15> @dioge
[09:16] <Marius15> It's the default profile> Analog Stereo Duplex
[09:17] <Marius15> Funny that I had to extend the width of the window to see this tab.
[09:18] <diogenes_> Marius15, did you install over the previous /home partition?
[09:18] <Marius15> diogenes_ Thanks for the feedback. It's the default profile: Analog Stereo Duplex. But let me play with this also. I did not see this tab until I extended the window. :)
[09:18] <Marius15> Nope, just a fresh install.
[09:19] <diogenes_> ok try different profiles there.
[09:22] <Marius15> Nope, no changes. There are actually just a few of them available, the rest having the name ending with (unavailable).
[09:23] <Marius15> However, I see in syslog such entries when changing:
[09:23] <Marius15> May  1 12:20:59 snap rtkit-daemon[953]: Supervising 0 threads of 0 processes of 1 users.May  1 12:20:59 snap rtkit-daemon[953]: Failed to make ourselves RT: Operation not permitted
[09:26] <diogenes_> Marius15, ok Analog Stereo Duplex should be defaul and how can you make sure your headset is ok? also you can duplicate your question in #pulseaudio.
[09:30] <Marius15> I tested with multiple audio devices (2 headsets, 1 audio system). Same thing. Yes, "Analog Stereo Duplex" is the profile. Alright, I will post the question on #purseaudio. Thanks diogenes_ for the time and help. :)
[09:31] <diogenes_> you're welcome
[09:39] <Marius15> @diogenes_ Meanwhile, I manage to connect through Bluetooth to my Bose QC 35 II.
[09:39] <Marius15> :)  Imagine that. Bluetooth works, but the old school wire based fails ... I'll jump into that #pulseaudio, see what can be done.
[09:40] <diogenes_> ok come with feedback.
[09:40] <Marius15> Sure
[10:19] <willow> Hi, I'm having problems with the xfce desktop and applications after upgrading to 20.04, all text is blocky, have tried to reconfigure xfwm but with no luck, have installed plasma 5 de temporarily which is working fine.
[10:21] <diogenes_> willow, how did you upgrade?
[10:21] <willow> from a terminal
[10:21] <diogenes_> what command?
[10:23] <willow> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[10:26] <diogenes_> willow, i'm not sure that's the correct way since i always prefer a fresh install but you can try to create a new user and see if the issue persists.
[10:28] <willow> I'd thought of that but I can't work out how to create a new user from plasma de, I cant read anything in xfce
[10:29] <diogenes_> willow, sudo adduser test
[10:30] <willow> Ah will do that now, thanks for helping by the wat very kind.
[10:31] <diogenes_> you're welcome
[10:31] <willow> ok I'm going to log out and back, see you in a min.
[10:36] <willow> ok didn't work, well couldn't find the second user I'd created in the login screen I'm assuming it's because the only login screen that's working is the plasma one
[10:40] <diogenes_> hmm, what is the output of users?
[10:40] <willow> just me (willow)
[10:42] <diogenes_> then the user creation wasn't successful try with kde's gui users management.
[10:43] <diogenes_> look in menu for users.
[10:44] <willow> Ok I've done that in kde, when I pulled up a terminal it still just says willow, only now it says it four times, willow wasn't the name I gave the new user.
[10:46] <diogenes_> log out and see if there is the user.
[10:47] <willow> hang on.
[10:51] <willow> I can see the new user but I can't log in as the new user
[10:52] <diogenes_> did you set the password for it and typed it correctly?
[10:53] <willow> it didn't offer a password option!
[10:54] <diogenes_> you mean on the login windows or ar creation time?
[10:55] <diogenes_> at*
[10:55] <willow> at creation time, I'm not that up on how plasma 5 does things, but it's the only other de I've used, I just know xfce really
[10:57] <diogenes_> willow, run: ls /etc/lightdm | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:57] <diogenes_> share the link.
[10:58] <willow> ok i'v gone back to users and set the option for no password, will log out to try again.
[10:58] <willow> hang about
[10:58] <diogenes_> ok
[10:59] <willow> https://termbin.com/8th6
[10:59] <willow> that's what I get back
[11:00] <diogenes_> now: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[11:01] <diogenes_> paste here.
[11:03] <willow> cat: /etc/x11/default-display-manager: No such file or directory
[11:03] <willow> intersting!
[11:03] <diogenes_> capital X11 :)
[11:03] <willow> my bad
[11:04] <willow> /usr/bin/sddm
[11:04] <diogenes_> ah damn it changed to sddm.
[11:05] <willow> yeah I couldn't enable xfwm4
[11:07] <diogenes_> ok run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[11:08] <willow> Done that, I selected lightdm
[11:09] <diogenes_> reboot.
[11:10] <willow> Ok
[11:16] <willow> When it restarted it went straight to xubuntu, no login screen, and it was still unreadable, ie blocky glyphs everywhere, issued reconfigure lightdm command in guake, selected sddm and got plasma back
[11:17] <diogenes_> ok let's try this.
[11:17] <diogenes_> sudo sh -c 'printf "[Seat:*]\nallow-guest=true\n" > /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/40-enable-guest.conf'
[11:19] <willow> It's just displaying a static cursor after > like this:  > |
[11:20] <diogenes_> willow, if you run a command and it gives no output it means the command was successful.
[11:21] <willow> yeah but I havent got my prompt back  $
[11:21] <diogenes_> ah i see i means you didn't put an end quote '
[11:22] <willow> yeah I didn't type that doing it now
[11:23] <willow> still same thing happening
[11:24] <diogenes_> ok just run: pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY mousepad /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/40-enable-guest.conf
[11:26] <willow> I've done that, not sure whats happening, or if anything will happen no prompt at start of line
[11:29] <diogenes_> hmm that's why i prefer to take 20 to do a fresh install instead of spending days trying to fix the upgrade aftermaths but ok, run this one: sudo nano /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/40-enable-guest.conf
[11:31] <willow> I've only ever installed from scratch when hdd is on its way out, then I just clone it to the new one, a quick upgrade and off I go, can't remember the last time I downloaded an iso, but doing what you said now.
[11:33] <willow> ok what do I need to do in nano?
[11:33] <diogenes_> [Seat:*]
[11:33] <diogenes_> allow-guest=true
[11:34] <diogenes_> ctrl+o, enter, ctrl+x.
[11:34] <diogenes_> cat /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/40-enable-guest.conf
[11:34] <diogenes_> make sure you get those 2 lines.
[11:35] <willow> done that, it saved the two lines
[11:35] <diogenes_> grep "autologin-user=" -R /etc/lightdm
[11:35] <diogenes_> paste the output.
[11:36] <willow> /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf:autologin-user=willow
[11:36] <diogenes_> sudo nano /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[11:37] <diogenes_> find the line autologin-user=willow and change it to #autologin-user=willow
[11:37] <diogenes_> ctrl+o, enter, ctrl+x.
[11:38] <willow> Ok that's done
[11:38] <diogenes_> grep "autologin-user=" -R /etc/lightdm and paste the result.
[11:38] <willow> grep "autologin-user=" -R /etc/lightdm
[11:39] <willow> what does tha addition of the hashtag do?
[11:39] <diogenes_> sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm pick lightdm, reboot and you should be getting a guest session option.
[11:39] <diogenes_> wait
[11:39] <willow> ?
[11:40] <diogenes_> hastag comments the line so it's being ignored when the config is being parsed.
[11:40] <diogenes_> you didn't paste the output of: grep "autologin-user=" -R /etc/lightdm
[11:41] <willow> ah ok, am I still waiting...yeah I did five lines up, Do it again if you want
[11:42] <diogenes_> i asked for that again after you added the hashtag.
[11:42] <willow> No I didn't sorry
[11:42] <willow> sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm pick lightdm
[11:42] <diogenes_> wait
[11:42] <diogenes_> not that
[11:42] <diogenes_> run: grep "autologin-user=" -R /etc/lightdm
[11:42] <diogenes_> paste the output.
[11:43] <willow> /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf:#autologin-user=willow
[11:43] <diogenes_> looks good now, run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm pick lightdm, reboot and you should be getting a guest session option.
[11:43] <diogenes_> login as guest.
[11:44] <willow> Thanks for this help, I'm doing this now back soon.
[11:44] <diogenes_> ok
[11:45] <willow> should I select lightdm or keep sddm?
[11:45] <diogenes_> lightdm
[11:46] <willow> got it I mis read the last bit of code
[11:47] <willow>  I get this
[11:47] <willow> dpkg-query: package 'pick' is not installed and no information is available
[11:47] <willow> Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files.
[11:47] <willow> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: pick is not installed.
[11:48] <willow> Obvs haven't rebooted
[11:48] <diogenes_> :)
[11:48] <diogenes_> wait
[11:49] <diogenes_> run:
[11:49] <diogenes_> sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[11:49] <diogenes_> pick/choose lightdm
[11:49] <diogenes_> reboot
[11:51] <willow> still saying the same as before should I reboot anyway, also my Bf says I'm being a pest now, and you've probably got better things to do, he also said I should just be a grown up and buy windows
[11:52] <diogenes_> tell him shame on him that a girl should be doing this instead of him :)
[11:52] <diogenes_> what command did you run?
[11:53] <willow> he's a windows user doesn't understand why someone would run linux, I've never used windows Vv lucky I used to use macs till they lost the plot
[11:53] <diogenes_> which means you're an intelligent elite person :)
[11:54] <willow> sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[11:54] <diogenes_> close all the terminals and re-open a brand new one and run this command again:
[11:54] <diogenes_> sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[11:55] <willow> Wouldn't say that, but at least I don't swear at my laptop when I switch it off
[12:00] <willow> Well I got a prettier login screen and the massive on screen keyboard has gone but xubuntu is still a no go, would do a screenshot but cant type anything legible
[12:01] <diogenes_> did you choose the guest session?
[12:03] <willow> it didn't offer me a session on reboot, just had to pick from plasma, xfce session or Xubuntu, both xfce & xubuntu the same, I'm thinking I may have to download unit 193's iso
[12:05] <diogenes_> if you want we could try a ninja solution.
[12:06] <willow> hang on I just got a big update which is asking to reboot, I'll do that and try guest session again although this NINJA option sounds exciting, back soon
[12:11] <willow> Right a guest account has been added together with the account I made earlier, but both asked for a password, I have no password!, I'd also set mine not to ask for a password, I don't think the update did anything.
[12:11] <diogenes_> willow, i didn't mean to pick a session but instead of willow you pick guest and hit enter.
[12:11] <willow> yeah i did
[12:12] <diogenes_> guest doesn't have to ask for password.
[12:12] <diogenes_> just hit enter.
[12:13] <willow> I did just hit "enter" it said incorrect password!
[12:14] <diogenes_> willow, ok let me walk you through the user creation steps one more time.
[12:14] <diogenes_> open the terminal and run:
[12:15] <diogenes_> sudo adduser test2
[12:15] <diogenes_> enter your password
[12:15] <diogenes_> New password: test
[12:15] <diogenes_> Retype new password: test
[12:15] <diogenes_> Full Name: test
[12:16] <diogenes_> Room Number (hit enter)
[12:16] <diogenes_> Work Phone: (hit enter)
[12:16] <diogenes_> Home Phone: (hit enter)
[12:16] <diogenes_> Other: (hit enter)
[12:17] <diogenes_> is the information correct? (type Y and hit enter)
[12:17] <diogenes_> now logout, type username: test2 password: test
[12:17] <diogenes_> and login to xfce session
[12:19] <willow> thankyou, I'm on my way
[12:22] <test2> ok Vanilla Xubuntu is up and working fine
[12:22] <test2> it's what I'm in now!
[12:22] <diogenes_> that's a good sign.
[12:23] <test2> what would be the plan now, can I import all my settings or just reset things from here?
[12:24] <diogenes_> the first attempt would be the following one, run this: mv /home/willow/.config/xfce4 /home/willow/.config/xfce4.bak
[12:25] <diogenes_> tell me what you get
[12:26] <test2> can't move the file : permission denied
[12:26] <diogenes_> sudo mv /home/willow/.config/xfce4 /home/willow/.config/xfce4.bak
[12:26] <xu-help73w> hi i am new to Linux. can anyone guide me to install drivers for my wireless wifi adapter model RTL8188FTV
[12:27] <diogenes_> !RTL8188FTV
[12:27] <diogenes_> !realtek
[12:27] <test2> I'm going to have to change permissions test2 isn't in the sudoer's file
[12:28] <xu-help73w> yes Realtek
[12:32] <diogenes_> xu-help73w, this might work: https://github.com/kelebek333/rtl8188fu
[12:42] <lightero1l>  "WPA/WPA2 are not supported. only non-encrypted and WEP encrypted networks function. "
[12:42] <lightero1l> good god
[12:42] <lightero1l> that's like choosing between having no encryption and having no encryption.
[12:47] <test2> I know everyone's busy but can't change the sudoer's file
[12:48] <test2> gonna have to swap back to plasma
[12:50] <willow> ok am back here (plasma de)
[12:52] <diogenes_> willow, mv /home/willow/.config/xfce4 /home/willow/.config/xfce4.bak
[12:53] <willow> Should I be doing that from here plasma or log back into the xfce guest session, if you're busy I'm good and understand
[12:54] <diogenes_> from plasma, not from xfce.
[12:54] <willow> ok
[12:54] <diogenes_> not busy don't worry.
[12:56] <willow> it just says command not found, I entered sudo before command & tried again, but same thing, I thought you were helping someone with their realtek driver issue.
[12:57] <diogenes_> willow, what command did you run?
[12:57] <diogenes_> and also i said nothing about sudo this time.
[12:58] <willow> The one you gave:  willow, mv /home/willow/.config/xfce4 /home/willow/.config/xfce4.bak
[13:00] <diogenes_> open dophin file manager and hit ctrl+h to see hidden folders, tell me when done.
[13:01] <willow> ok
[13:02] <diogenes_> go to .config folder, find xfce4 folder, right click on xfce4 folder > rename change the name to xfce4.bak.
[13:04] <willow> done that
[13:05] <diogenes_> log back into xfce session with willow user.
[13:06] <willow> ok give me a min
[13:18] <willow> Hi Diogenes I'm back in Xubuntu, it's not the vanilla one it's mine but with none of my theming etc, it did take a while to start & there is a black border around the text under icons on desktop and all the settings are kde ones
[13:19] <diogenes_> willow, are the fonts ok now?
[13:20] <willow> Yes the fonts are readable and everythings useable, just have to find my usual programs
[13:20] <diogenes_> they are in the menu :)
[13:21] <willow> I meant to add that tha xfce session looks like this as well
[13:22] <diogenes_> share a screenshot.
[13:22] <diogenes_> of how desktop looks like.
[13:24] <willow> I've no idea how to load a screenshot into xchat
[13:25] <diogenes_> willow, in terminal run: xfce4-screenshooter
[13:25] <diogenes_> pick 'entire screen'
[13:25] <willow> i've got the screenshot
[13:25] <diogenes_> pick 'host to imgur'
[13:26] <willow> ok
[13:26] <diogenes_> share the imgur link.
[13:27] <willow> https://imgur.com/YEjTrkE.png
[13:29] <diogenes_> now open the menu from the upper left corner and type: Appearance
[13:29] <diogenes_> pick the themes you like.
[13:31] <willow> ok
[13:32] <diogenes_> other than that everything looks good.
[13:33] <willow> yes all seems fine, I'm gonna map my buttons and build my bottom panel, but yeah all good, out of curiosity what was the ninja option
[13:34] <diogenes_> ok i gtg now for half an hour so if you got other questions ask in the channel, if no one answers, i'll be back in 30 min and will tell you about the ninja way :)
[13:35] <willow> thankyou very much, i owe you one
[13:35] <diogenes_> you're welcome see you
[13:35]  * diogenes_ is offline
[15:15] <xu-help72w> Hello! I've been wondering if there's an option of installing zfs-on-root in Xubuntu, like in Ubuntu.
[15:18] <xu-help72w> an easy option during new system install, that is
[15:19] <diogenes_> xu-help72w, there is ZFS option in partitioning.
[15:22] <xu-help72w> like, using a full disk for zfs, with all the system residing on it, then? I'm coming from Freebsd, you see.  Got used to feeling safe :)
[15:23] <diogenes_> yes full disk on ZFS.
[15:25] <xu-help72w> Well that's just great. I'll go and download and install it right away. Thank you, diogenes_!
[15:26] <diogenes_> xu-help72w, you're welcome.
[15:26] <diogenes_> !zfs
[15:44] <nikolam> It is only fuul-disk ZFS supported, not zfs pool on disk partition...
[15:45] <nikolam> I wonder could I make zfs install in Vm and then transfer datasets to zfs pool on top of the partition.. will that work with Ubuntu's GRUB to boot..
[16:28] <xu-help74w> I'm unable to install conky manager in xubuntu 20.04 ("unable to locate package manager") and I can't install the old ubuntu software center in which I knew Conky Manager was available.
[16:28] <diogenes_> !info conky
[17:26] <xu-help78w> Is Xubuntu 20.04 out for 19.10 users? I thought that it was, but I'm not being notified by the software updater or sudo apt dist-upgrade. As far as I'm aware, my upgrade path is correctly set.
[17:35] <xu-help78w> Even sudo do-release-upgrade is reporting that no upgrade exists.
[17:35] <coconut> xu-help78w, afaik it is for 19.10 installs... (but upgrading from 18.04 LTS to 20.04 LTS is not advised yet, you would have to wait on 20.04.1 for that)
[17:36] <xu-help78w> Strange, given that I'm on 19.10.
[17:36] <coconut> xu-help78w, you could try sudo do-release-upgrade -c -d  #for that
[17:37] <housecat> it's not enabled for 19.10 -> 20.04 yet either, -d will override it as coconut said
[17:37] <xu-help78w> Is that wise? Doesn't -d force an update?
[17:37] <housecat> (it'll tell you it's "development", it's not)
[17:37] <xu-help78w> Why isn't it enabled yet? Hasn't 20.04 been out for a while?
[17:38] <housecat> someone in another channel says they're waiting on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chrony/+bug/1872902 being fixed
[17:38] <housecat> but in general, the answer is "so that people bash on it a bit with new installs and shake out any bugs before people start upgrading production systems"
[17:39] <xu-help78w> Excellent. That's all that I needed to know.
[18:19] <xu-help4w> in Xubuntu 20.04 the taskbars stay a bit transparant, even with opacity=100.
[18:22] <diogenes_> xu-help4w, screenshot?
[18:28] <xu-help4w> screenshot transparant taskbars while opacity=100 https://arcguard.tumblr.com/image/616937703532118016
[18:31] <diogenes_> xu-help4w, hmm that looks like a bug.
[22:14] <xu-help37w> Hi, anyone having a problem connecting to wifi from xubuntu 20.04?
[22:17] <gnrp> xu-help37w: I guess there are many, but the problem is pretty unspecific
[22:17] <gnrp> !ask
[22:29] <xu-irc85w> hello
[22:30] <xu-irc85w> I have a Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode) that won t work on 18.04
[22:35] <xu-irc85w> alo
[22:35] <xu-irc85w> hola
[22:51] <Delemas> Hi I'm using Device-1: Intel 200 Series PCH HD Audio driver: snd_hda_intel on Sound Server: ALSA v: k5.3.0-52-generic. Something happened, perhaps a recent update, that has stopped audio playback. Anyone find a solution or see the same thing?
[22:56] <gnrp> Delemas: so sound is still working in general?
[22:56] <gnrp> Delemas: I mean, when you open pavucontrol, you still see the dvice?
[23:03] <Delemas> No suddenly on a previous kernel, audio output stopped all together. I have an HDMI cable connected me to my TV which has optical output to a surround sound system. I see audio playing in the mixer but there is zero audio output no matter what I do now.
[23:03] <Delemas> Let me try that command.
[23:04] <Delemas> Oh ok that is what I was running from my systray.
[23:07] <Delemas> The Output device has a bullseye next to it which I'm pretty sure is wrong. Under Output Devices I see Built In Audio Digital Stereo (HDMI 2) and under port it says HDMI / DisplayPort 2 (plugged in).
[23:08] <Delemas> My input device is a Bullseye and says Monitor of Built In Audio Digital Stereo (HDMI 2).
[23:08] <Delemas> I have no microphones plugged in at the moment.
[23:09] <Delemas> It's almost as if it got confused the last time I removed my gaming headset I used for teleconferencing and hasn't recovered despite a full power off.
[23:16] <xu-irc85w> Saludos
[23:17] <gnrp> Delemas: But HDMI is not the Intel audio driver? I mean, the speakers you want to use, how are they connected? Via HDMI, or via jack?
[23:17] <xu-irc85w> Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode) any ideas how to make it work or I need to go back to Windows?
[23:21] <Delemas> This motherboard does not have an optical output. I was outputting audio over HDMI to my TV which does have optical output which is connected to my DVD player which is driving the speakers.
[23:22] <Delemas> It's convoluted but up until recently worked perfectly.
[23:22] <Delemas> Now I can't get so much as a beep out of it...
[23:22] <gnrp> Delemas: When you go to configuration, what do you see?
[23:23] <gnrp> Delemas: Is the device maybe muted or not set as standard?
[23:23] <gnrp> I don't know what you mean by bullseye
[23:23] <Delemas> Is there a pastebin I can put a screenshot in?
[23:24] <well_laid_lawn> !paste
[23:25] <Delemas> It's kind of hard to explain without seeing it. Ah thanks!
[23:29] <Delemas> There is a snapshot of my input and output devices: https://imgur.com/a/C9OZ2wF
[23:29] <Delemas> I don't think having input as a monitor of output is normal. Neither is the red bullseye next to the device.
[23:29] <Delemas> They do not seem to be muted and alsamixer looks normal too.
[23:38] <gnrp> Delemas: Well, the input is muted, but whatever
[23:38] <gnrp> can you show the playback and the configuration tab also?
[23:39] <gnrp> sorry, I got to go to bed, I am seriously tired. I hope somebody else will help you, otherwise I can continue tomorrow
[23:47] <ShangNG> Delemas plug and unplug a headphone