[15:27] <akgraner> nhandler, sure
[15:27] <akgraner> nhandler, done
[21:08] <nhandler> Thanks akgraner


[00:15] <arraybolt3[m]> How on earth do you even build Chromium in a PPA? It takes massive amounts of RAM, I thought.
[00:18] <JanC> seems like it works
[00:19] <sarnold> until recently the builder vms had 8gigs
[00:19] <sarnold> which was half of what I thought they had
[00:19] <sarnold> I think they fiddle with build options to reduce concurrency, use less memory inthe linker, etc
[00:19] <JanC> wouldn't the build process adapt to available memory also?
[00:20] <JanC> or to the number of cores available
[00:20] <sarnold> number of cores, usually
[00:20] <JanC> which is likely quite limited in a VM?
[00:20] <sarnold> yeah, perhaps by enough that the memory limit wasn't as painful
[00:21] <sarnold> I've thought vaguely about writing an nproc replacement that also takes available memory into consideration
[00:21] <sarnold> but then when I thought about what "available memory" actually means I decided it'd be easier to just go insane directly
[00:22] <JanC> might be useful on some SoCs that have plenty of cores but little RAM (and can't expanded RAM)
[00:27] <sarnold> yeah, my rpi for example has four cores but one gigabyte of memory. you'd be insane to try make -j4 on there
[00:29] <arraybolt3> sarnold: (re: go insane directly) lol I've heard that it was pretty hard to figure out available memory, is there a particular reason that it's that hard?
[00:29] <JanC> depending on what you are trying to compile, but for something big for sure
[00:29] <arraybolt3> htop seems to do a decent job of it.
[00:30] <JanC> it's hard to say what is *really* available (or can become available, if needed) because of caching/buffers/etc.
[00:31] <arraybolt3> I figured that buffers and cache could just be ignored, and that all that mattered was the total size of all active processes and shared libraries in use, minus whatever was swapped out. I suspect I don't know a whole lot about this area though.
[00:31] <sarnold> arraybolt3: there's just so many variables -- the physical memory is easy to get, but after that things get fuzzy, because most processes share some amounts of memory with all the other processes on the system; a lot of memory is used for cache or buffers; and then there's rlimits, cgroups, overcommit limits..
[00:32] <arraybolt3> Oy, I didn't know about those last few (rlimits etc).
[00:32] <JanC> but not all buffers/cache are shown as such (e.g. when using ZFS), and some of it would be needed for the actual build process, etc.  :)
[00:34] <sarnold> and perhaps the database running on the system is far more important than the build :)
[00:34] <JanC> and maybe you don't mind using some zram- or flash-based swap, but HDD swap would be a problem, etc.
[00:35] <JanC> I mean, pushing some other stuff into swap
[00:36] <arraybolt3> That explains why Linux goes into thrashing when it runs out of RAM rather than just dying or destroying stuff outright?
[00:36] <arraybolt3> It's even designed to kill processes via the OOM killer, it just seems like without systemd-oomd it takes forever to actually do that.
[00:37] <JanC> OOM killers are a bad design, except in emergency cases really
[00:37] <JanC> except when you can really finetune how they work (what they kill when), I suppose
[00:38] <JanC> ideally applications should get a warning before killing them is necessary & they react to it  :)
[00:38] <sarnold> oh hah I forgot systemd-oomd, the thing that kills things before it's a catastrophe (and causes its own catastrophes :)
[00:38] <sarnold> one more variable to consider
[00:39] <JanC> you don't have to install it :)
[00:39] <sarnold> *nod*
[09:42] <nibbon_> o/
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> welcome nibbon_
[09:42] <nibbon_> is this the right place to talk about subiquity (https://github.com/canonical/subiquity)
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> nibbon_: the ubuntu support channels will take all questions around ubuntu and their flavours
[09:48] <nibbon_> actually, my question is related to ubuntu sever, that's why I came here :)
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> shoot, and if volunteers are awake, they will try to answer
[09:53] <nibbon_> with the d-i installer, I have a procedure to build an ISO that perform unattended installation
[09:56] <nibbon_> my take away reading the subiquity GH repo is that I can still repackage an ISO, but then I need to have an external http server to serve the configuration
[09:58] <nibbon_> I would like to know whether or not I can still put everything into the ISO
[11:32] <tomreyn> nibbon_: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/hpc/ubuntu-22-04-server-autoinstall-iso/
[14:23]  * nibbon_ reads
[15:17] <nibbon_> tomreyn: thanks, that's the example I was looking for
[15:24] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[20:00] <Exterminador> hello  folks. any idea on why my VPS isn't completing the `sudo apt update` command?
[20:01] <Exterminador> nvm.. it's because I've seek for help that it completed after almost 5m hanging -_-
[20:02] <arraybolt3> Tape the IRC logs to the monitor and that should make it keep working in the future :P
[20:02] <arraybolt3> (OK so not really...)
[20:02] <arraybolt3> Anyway, my guess would probably be either a bogged-down or glitchy server on Canonical's end, or possibly a really low-performance VPS.
[20:11] <Exterminador> the VPS isn't exactly low-performance even being from Kimsufi (OVH Eco branch)
[20:12] <Exterminador> usually all goes smooth for the exception for today. so, yes, it was probably a glitch in the matrix :)
[20:52] <ChmEarl> world premiere: https://pb.psychotic.ninja/view/90bc0efd
[21:45] <arraybolt3> ChmEarl: Excuse me?
[23:01] <Woet> just like theres iftop for network traffic, is there something for storage "traffic"?
[23:01] <Woet> ah, iotop
[23:03] <sarnold> Woet: also take a look at biotop, filetop, and other tools https://github.com/iovisor/bcc/tree/master


[21:54] <melodie> hello !
[23:08] <pdurbin> melodie: hello (a little late) :)
[23:08] <melodie> hi pdurbin :)
[23:11] <melodie> pdurbin here KDE hidden under Openbox, in a Edu/Christmas version done a pair of years ago:
[23:12] <melodie> http://i5.minus.com/iQ0C0MoOaTkIF.png
[23:12] <melodie> http://i3.minus.com/ibyqVQ9WrKBdBn.png
[23:12] <melodie> the menus in the first one was in French, but the version was also available in English
[23:40] <valorie> melodie: your desktop is enchanting!
[23:41] <melodie> hi valorie it's not my desktop, its some pclinuxos versions I did for Christmas 2011
[23:41] <melodie> one version in English, one in French, both have two backgrounds which can change randomly at each session
[23:42] <melodie> and if you would like to have it the isos are still online...
[23:42] <valorie> that's great
[23:42] <valorie> I'm happy with kubuntu for now
[23:43] <valorie> but I do have photos (mostly from astropix) which change every hour
[23:43] <melodie> I am not suggesting you change, I said you could have the isos : then test as live, or install to vbox...
[23:43] <valorie> I actually don't use the desktop much
[23:43] <melodie> or in a small spare partition
[23:43] <valorie> right, time is the issue
[23:43] <melodie> ok
[23:44] <melodie> if you know some people who would like this for children, it's available. that's it.
[23:44] <melodie> and even of KDE versions, it's very light, because of this special setup.
[23:47] <melodie> I hope I can do that one of these days, for a Ubuntu version too
[23:47] <melodie> I have started to make a Ubuntu Openbox Remix and it's almost finished. ready for large tests anyway
[23:50] <valorie> wow, that's cool
[23:51] <valorie> are you a member of Linuxchix?
[23:51] <valorie> seems like there are enough people there with lots of contacts to help you spread the word
[23:58] <melodie> valorie good idea, but not now it's late here and I will soon direct myself to sleep


[16:31] <LLStarks> can anyone confirm that tbird has no window bar in quantal?
[16:33] <micahg> LLStarks: I have a menubar in Xubuntu
[17:06] <LLStarks> micahg, window or menu?
[17:06] <micahg> menu
[17:06] <micahg> and window
[17:06] <LLStarks> i have no window bar
[17:06] <LLStarks> with gnome shell
[17:07] <LLStarks> and unity
[17:07]  * micahg wonders if gnome shell has a unity service running to make it think it has a global menu
[17:08] <LLStarks> there's a menu
[17:08] <LLStarks> i have all unity addons disabled in tbir
[19:38] <bjsnider> what happened to all of the files in firefox-dev in quantal? the package has only a small fraction of the ones it used to
[19:42] <micahg> we don't want applications using the xul API since it's constantly changing
[19:43] <micahg> so, the only things allowed for the most part are NPAPI plugins which for the most part have a stable API
[19:45] <bjsnider> oh, i see what's wrong
[19:45] <bjsnider> ifeq ($(UBUNTU_VERSION),12.04)
[19:45] <bjsnider> that ain't future-proofed
[19:47] <micahg> heh, right
[19:51] <bjsnider> i remember now that i knew that would be a problem when i put that junk in there, but i figured i'd deal with it later
[19:51] <bjsnider> well, later is now
[20:21] <bjsnider> micahg, do you know a lot about the current api?
[20:22] <micahg> not really
[20:33] <ajmitch> micahg: do you know if changes made in the chromium-browser package will still be merged into lp:chromium-browser, or should I just use the quantal package if I want to play with it?
[20:33] <micahg> ajmitch: quantal ATM, I'll merge everything back up once there's hope for some automation in the PPAs
[20:34]  * ajmitch can at least check it out & build it in a reasonable timeframe now :)


[07:28] <dazed_> membreya: where do u live!?
[07:28] <EvilSven> oki
[07:28] <membreya> melbourne
[07:29] <StoffBox-Steve> :D  /etc/issue/ looks nice on karmaba  .. thx
[07:29] <dazed_> membreya: ahh ok
[07:29] <dazed_> 7 hours behind me
[07:29] <ompaul> up north of the south pole eh?
[07:29] <dazed_> lol
[07:29] <membreya> crimsun: why the hell does linux always have 1,000,000 different ways of doing things
[07:29] <ompaul> membreya, that is the wrong question
[07:30] <dazed_> i cant wait til i ubu-fi my laptop and get my wireless card to work on it...its going to be soooo l33t
[07:30] <lupusBE> membreya, why is that bad? :)
[07:30] <thoreauputic> people from Melbourne have muddy minds - it's the Yarra River that does it....
[07:30] <lupusBE> all roads go to Rome :)
[07:30] <membreya> lupusBE: it gets very confusing
[07:30] <StoffBox-Steve> membreya: whats why there are 2,000,000 different user :P
[07:30] <ompaul> membreya, there are exactly several methods more than you need, you are free to choose one that is there or create a new way :)
[07:30] <membreya> ie whether to do a sudo killall gnome-panels or to do sudo pkill gnome-panels
[07:31] <MFen> so that was a "no" on runit..
[07:31] <dazed_> just because 2 things can work to do the same thing YOU want to do doesnt mean that they are both meant for doing the same thing...
[07:32] <membreya> and you can either do an ls or a dir
[07:32] <thoreauputic> or  sudo kill `pidof gnome-panel`
[07:32] <crimsun> membreya: that's a Good Thing
[07:32] <thoreauputic> or sudo kill $(pidof gnome-panel)
[07:33] <membreya> crimsun: can you imagine how much less coding would be required if there was only one way
[07:33] <dazed_> lol
[07:33] <dazed_> thoreauputic knows everyway to do everything
[07:33] <crimsun> membreya: what, and remove freedom of choice? no way!
[07:33] <dazed_> lol
[07:33] <ompaul> choice allows people to be free - if there were only red roses, green fields it would be very bland and uninventive
[07:33] <membreya> thoreauputic: is what we call "analy retentive"
[07:33] <ompaul> membreya, where is the ecosystem in that?
[07:34] <dazed_> lol
[07:34] <membreya> ompaul: but it would be a controlled environment that is full of discipline
[07:35] <thoreauputic> membreya: hah! how can I be anally retentive and have lousy grooming at the same time?  OK...
[07:36] <EvilSven> crimsun, thanks for the help, i got a nifty debian menu that looks fun, but synaptic is still absent  :(
[07:36] <thoreauputic> :)
[07:36] <LeaChim> is there a skype package for ubuntu?
[07:37] <EvilSven> no, console command for synaptic?
[07:37] <LeaChim> oops
[07:37] <thoreauputic> EvilSven: sudo synaptic?
[07:38] <EvilSven> been there, done that  :(
[07:39] <Butters|XGH|Snip> Anybody here use the NvAGP option in there X config?
[07:39] <membreya> Butters|XGH|Snip: yup, but agpart overrides it
[07:39] <membreya> :(
[07:39] <ompaul> LeaChim, there is, you can get it from skype if you want to apt-get it there are some people with it out there
[07:39] <Butters|XGH|Snip> oh even on the new patched 7167?
[07:39] <KING^^^> hello all , why my xmms won't open ?
[07:39] <membreya> Butters|XGH|Snip: yup cos agpart is loading with the kernel
[07:39] <KING^^^> yesterday it worked , now it doesn't
[07:40] <Butters|XGH|Snip> damn ok...anything else I can change to give me better 3D performance?
[07:40] <ompaul> LeaChim, however if you do the apt-get you are waiting for them to update the client, that might not be a bad thing or it might be
[07:40] <membreya> did you disable dri Butters|XGH|Snip ?
[07:40] <Butters|XGH|Snip> yes of course
[07:41] <Butters|XGH|Snip> I can't seem to get FastWrite enabled
[07:41] <Butters|XGH|Snip> would that help me out?
[07:41] <LeaChim> ompaul, skype provide it?
[07:41] <KING^^^> artur@ubuntu:~ $ xmms
[07:41] <KING^^^> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:41] <KING^^^> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[07:41] <ompaul> LeaChim, no they provide a version you can install
[07:41] <membreya> Option          "RenderAccel"           "true" <-- got that Butters|XGH|Snip ?
[07:41] <ompaul> LeaChim, it is not in the form of a deb afaik
[07:41] <Butters|XGH|Snip> ::: shakes head and scratches :::
[07:42] <LeaChim> bah
[07:43] <Butters|XGH|Snip> Anything else I need to add in here?
[07:43] <Butters|XGH|Snip> lol while I'm here
[07:43] <EvilSven> it's just not there, should be in /usr/sbin, right?
[07:43] <zenrox> ompaul,  thay are providing .debs now
[07:43] <ompaul> zenrox, kewl
[07:43] <zenrox> for skype
[07:43] <chool> hello
[07:43] <thoreauputic> EvilSven: what does `which synaptic` return?
[07:43] <KING^^^> no one can help me ?
[07:43] <zenrox> ompaul,  and mine works
[07:44] <chool> Q: where i can download the LINUX
[07:44] <EvilSven> nada
[07:44] <EvilSven> nuthin
[07:44] <Butters|XGH|Snip> membreya: anything else you can think of that I need to add that would help?
[07:44] <ompaul> zenrox, I know a guy who was packaging it for the last couple of months with their agreement
[07:44] <thoreauputic> EvilSven: hmm - tried  sudo apt-get install --reinstall synaptic  ?
[07:44] <Hunt02> hello
[07:44] <mackid> hey
[07:44] <chool> Q: Does any1 knows where i can download the LINUX
[07:44] <EvilSven> was JUST gonna ask u about that (sort of)  :)
[07:45] <Butters|XGH|Snip> lol, thats a silly question
[07:45] <Hunt02> do RPM's made for Mandrake / Fedora, work on a Ubuntu-system ?
[07:45] <netmonk> chool, www.ubuntulinux.org
[07:45] <thoreauputic> chool: which one? there are hundreds...
[07:45] <pantulis> hello people
[07:45] <StoffBox-Steve> ok qustion 2 :D  i know how to show the local IP but,  how can i show the internet ip ?
[07:45] <Butters|XGH|Snip> www.distrowatch.com is a good place to look....and www.linuxiso.org
[07:46] <EvilSven> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:46] <EvilSven>   synaptic: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3
[07:46] <mackid> StoffBox-Steve, go to whatismyip.com - it'll tell you
[07:46] <EvilSven> can install that?
[07:46] <zenrox> ompaul,  thats kewl tray calling me i want to make shure my skype is set up right
[07:46] <ompaul> http://www.skype.com/products/skype/linux/ LeaChim this is what you want
[07:46] <Butters|XGH|Snip> lol I tried installing IPCop on one of my extra computers.....I had no idea how to get it going
[07:46] <thoreauputic> EvilSven: that doesn't look too promising...
[07:46] <StoffBox-Steve> *G* mackid i know that but i need a console command or script ... i what this for my Karamba :)
[07:46] <LeaChim> are there any of the canonical staff online at the moment?
[07:47] <EvilSven> thoreauputic, k
[07:47] <pantulis> has anyone here gotten XRANDR to do screen rotations under xorg?
[07:47] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: ifconfig can tell you your current IP
[07:47] <mackid> StoffBox-Steve, you'd probably need a console web browser.. lynx would work.  there may be another way, but i don't know of it
[07:47] <Hunt02> anyone ?
[07:47] <BiteMeBill> StoffBox-Steve: There is an applet that will get the IP address from an outside source like whatismyip.com but I don't remember which one it was.
[07:47] <Jesterace> think i'll attempt to make ubuntu a webserver
[07:48] <chool> thoreauputic, i dont know which one is the best and easy for PC
[07:48] <Hunt02> is it possible to install the NVidia drivers on a Ubuntu system ?
[07:48] <Jesterace> Hunt02, yep
[07:48] <Jesterace> i'm running them
[07:48] <BiteMeBill> Butters|XGH|Snip: Where did you get stuck on the IPCop set up?
[07:48] <Hunt02> Jesterace, is there a howto for that
[07:48] <thoreauputic> chool: read http://distrowatch.com
[07:49] <Jesterace> Hunt02, take a look at http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:49] <Hunt02> especially for Ubuntu
[07:49] <haselden> hunt02...i think you can use "alien" to rebuild the rpms into debian packages
[07:49] <Hunt02> thx a lot
[07:49] <StoffBox-Steve> BiteMeBill: i know there is one for gdesklets ... i look for it and  take a look how there make it ... thoreauputic , i know but there i only can see my LanIp and my ip6 ...
[07:49] <crschmidt> Anyone know how I could get mod_rewrite working on my ubuntu apache2?
[07:49] <Hunt02> haselden, so you mean i can't install a single RPM ?
[07:49] <freep> Hello
[07:49] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve:  dyndns.org
[07:49] <chool> thoreauputic, thanks
[07:49] <BiteMeBill> StoffBox-Steve: That's why I said something figured that might be your best bed.
[07:49] <BiteMeBill> bed= bet
[07:50] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: and ez-ipupdate
[07:50] <dazed_> thoreauputic: whats a good partitioner for windows?
[07:50] <ompaul> Hunt02, I belive that if you use something called alien you may be able to install certain rpms which ones well YMMV
[07:50] <dazed_> besides partition magic
[07:50] <freep> Hm, I have a newbie-esque question, can you burn the iso-files for ubunto to a DVD-R instead of a CD-R?
[07:50] <haselden> i'm not certain...when i try to rpm -i on my box, it tells me to run alien
[07:50] <pantulis> i couldn't get ez-ipupdate to work from behind a firewall
[07:50] <thoreauputic> dazed_: I don't use windows
[07:50] <haselden> alien converts the rpm to the package ubuntu needs
[07:50] <LinuxJones> freemymind, yeah
[07:50] <crschmidt> dazed_: PartitionMagic
[07:50] <dazed_> i know
[07:50] <LinuxJones> freemymind, it's a waste of space but yes
[07:50] <crschmidt> but it's not free
[07:50] <dazed_> but i thought u might now
[07:50] <dazed_> know*
[07:50] <dazed_>  of one
[07:50] <dazed_> lol
[07:50] <haselden> 'alien --to-deb <rpm file>'
[07:51] <StoffBox-Steve> i know them thoreauputic but thats not im looking for *G*
[07:51] <dazed_> crschmidt:<dazed_> besides partition magic
[07:51] <crschmidt> oh
[07:51] <crschmidt> i missed that, sorry
[07:51] <freep> linuxboy: that was meant for me? ;)
[07:51] <BiteMeBill> freep: yes you should be able to..  It's only a media
[07:51] <dazed_> crshmidt: did you pay for it?
[07:51] <thoreauputic> dazed_: I used to use bootit NG or something (comes on a floppy)
[07:51] <dazed_> cuz i cant do anything unless i pay
[07:51] <occy> heh
[07:51] <occy> quite a suck.
[07:51] <dazed_> stupid non-open-source software
[07:51] <Hunt02> is it possible to see how many RAM the system is using on this very moment ?
[07:51] <occy> I can talk into my mic, and I hear it coming out of my speakers.
[07:51] <Hunt02> within gnome or the console
[07:52] <freep> I thought so as well, but I wasn't sure. The thing is that I have a load of DVD-r's, but only one CD-R... somewhere. I can live with the waste. Thanks a lot!
[07:52] <occy> can't seem to record anything with soundrecorder.
[07:52] <pantulis> Hunt02: already tried 'top' ?
[07:52] <crschmidt> dazed_: never used it, but it's pretty much the only solution there is
[07:52] <chool> Does any1 knows about Plesk 7.5 Reloaded for linux ?
[07:52] <Hunt02> in the console ?
[07:52] <pantulis> Hunt02: yep
[07:52] <dazed_> yteah i figured
[07:52] <dazed_> so ill just go get a crack or some shizzle
[07:53] <Hunt02> pantulis, no, but i'll give it a try. I want to tweak my system, so as many services as possible would have to be disabled
[07:53] <ompaul> occy, have a look in alsamixer at the volumes for various inputs and outputs - that should help
[07:53] <haselden> hunt02...also 'free'
[07:53] <haselden> shows memory info
[07:53] <occy> ompaul: yah...
[07:53] <occy> (cool curses based app)
[07:54] <occy> if I select between mic1 and mic2...  mic2 gives me nothing, mic1 I can hear stuff through the speakers.
[07:55] <Hunt02> does Ubuntu has support for 5.1 speaker systems ?
[07:55] <ompaul> occy, I would be more interested in stuff that was muted, but that is just me
[07:55] <occy> ompaul: don't see anything muted
[07:56] <occy> hmmm
[07:56] <occy> mono out was set on mix
[07:56] <occy> and not mic
[07:57] <ompaul> occy, other stuff can be to check for turned up to zero :)
[07:57] <djp> how can u burn a multisession cd with nautilus?
[07:58] <occy> ompaul: fwiw, those things options looked exactly like the gnome volume tool
[07:58] <thoreauputic> djp: I don't think you can
[07:58] <djp> thoreauputic: is it possible with cdrecord?
[07:58] <LinuxJones> djp, graveman or gnomebaker can do that if you need a gui.
[07:58] <dizzie> Evening ladies :)
[07:59] <ompaul> 9 On a Scale of 10 - Sammy Hagar [1979]  <-- ha google does it again
[07:59] <LinuxJones> dizzie, afternoon
[07:59] <neighborlee> says there is new nvidia-glx version but says:: 'new version : 6629' which is wrong as I already have that version;...or is this a fix for this v ersion ??
[07:59] <thoreauputic> djp: I'd use LinuxJones's suggestion
[08:00] <djp> thoreauputic: ok thanks. and to you LinuxJones
[08:00] <mackid> so i installed the nvidia driver as it explained on ubuntuguide.org, and i hit ctrl-alt-bkspc to restart X, but it didn't restart it, it just killed it
[08:00] <LinuxJones> djp, ;)
[08:00] <mackid> and now when i login and then % sudo gdm, it says it's already running
[08:01] <mackid> so how do i get back to X?
[08:01] <thoreauputic> djp: I have a link for a gnomebaker .deb if you are on warty
[08:01] <LinuxJones> mackid, do sudo -s (enter your user password)
[08:01] <thoreauputic> mackid: try ctrl-alt-F7
[08:01] <mackid> LinuxJones, then what?
[08:01] <LinuxJones> mackid, then do killall gdm      followed by /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:02] <mackid> thoreauputic, there's a blank screen with a blinking cursor at the top when i hit ctrl-alt-F7
[08:02] <mackid> LinuxJones, i'll try that, thanks
[08:02] <djp> thoreauputic: yes i am. is it not available via apt-get?
[08:02] <thoreauputic> mackid: OK - do the gdm thing then (ctrl-alt-F1 to return to a prompt)
[08:03] <thoreauputic> djp: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/warty/gnomebaker/releases/i386/
[08:03] <pshot> does anyone know how to get hoary to use fglrx driver? i changed the config and installed restricted modules for my kernel, but i still cant use it
[08:03] <thoreauputic> djp: it isn't in the repositories for warty
[08:03] <thoreauputic> afaik
[08:04] <mackid> LinuxJones, that worked, thank you
[08:04] <thoreauputic> djp: that deb worked well for me
[08:04] <djp> thoreauputic: is it a better option than x-cdroast or kb3?
[08:04] <LinuxJones> mackid, sometimes you need to do a restart x to get things running properly :)
[08:04] <thoreauputic> djp: better than xcdroast : k3b is very nice
[08:05] <djp> thoreauputic: does k3b install under warty?
[08:05] <pshot> anyone know whats wrong?
[08:05] <thoreauputic> djp: but k3b requires qt libraries and such
[08:05] <thoreauputic> djp: it will install
[08:06] <DarthFrog> There's a Gnome equivalent to k3b.  Gnome-baker, I think it's called.
[08:06] <StoffBox-Steve> wget -q -O - http://checkip.dyndns.org | grep Address
[08:06] <LinuxJones> pshot, did you load the module or re-start the computer ?
[08:06] <StoffBox-Steve> args
[08:06] <pshot> LinuxJones,  yeah I've restarted
[08:06] <thoreauputic> djp: try gnomebaker - it seems to work very well and it's easy to use
[08:06] <mjr> #4
[08:06] <mackid> yay, i'm in X now.. with nvidia acceleration, supposedly
[08:07] <StoffBox-Steve> thoreauputic: im looking for somethink like this ... but without the html stuff in it ... :: wget -q -O - http://checkip.dyndns.org | grep Address
[08:07] <pshot> LinuxJones, I'll try loading it again and restart x
[08:07] <LinuxJones> pshot, can you try to manually load the module and see iif it loads ?
[08:08] <mackid> now, if i wanted the most recent version of the nvidia driver, could I install that somehow?  the repository has 6627, and the most recent nvidia driver is 7176
[08:08] <mackid> 7167*
[08:08] <membreya> yes mackid you grab it off the nvidia website and install it yourself
[08:08] <netmonk> I have iBook g3 and it suspends fine, but even in suspend the screen stays on, how can i fix that?
[08:08] <mackid> membreya, okay, thanks
[08:09] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: you could strip out the html with `cut` or something similar - don't ask me for the synatax though ;)
[08:09] <djp> thoreauputic: will do...
[08:09] <thoreauputic> *syntax*
[08:09] <StoffBox-Steve> :D thoreauputic ok i google a bit :D
[08:11] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: easier - html2text
[08:11] <Gecko> Hello
[08:11] <will> mmm im upgrading to hoary
[08:11] <Gecko> I cannot get fglrx to use anything but mesa
[08:12] <Gecko> I am running hoary on an amd64
[08:12] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: wget -q -O - http://checkip.dyndns.org | grep Address | html2text
[08:12] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: that works
[08:12] <Gecko> Can anyone help me?
[08:12] <StoffBox-Steve> thx thoreauputic :D i mate it this way :D >> html2text  http://checkip.dyndns.org | grep  Address
[08:13] <EvilSven> crimsun, and thoreauputic thanks for the help and effort.
[08:13] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: yep - same result
[08:13] <thoreauputic> EvilSven: no worries :)
[08:14] <EvilSven> most stuff works, I'll wait for the official hoary and do a clean install, thanks again
[08:16] <BiteMeBill> StoffBox-Steve: That works nice.  I will have to make a note of it!  Thanks!!!
[08:16] <garrut> i'm running gnome 2.10 with a dual screen setup, my window list (which is in my panel on screen 1) contains the windows from screen #1 and screen #2, but i only want it to list the windows that are on screen #1, how do i accomplish that, it was working that way with my fedora setup
[08:17] <trygvebw> Is there anywhere i can find a list of the packages included on the Hoary CD?
[08:20] <garrut> trygvebw: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/
[08:21] <trygvebw> thanks :)
[08:22] <kev0r> howdy how!
[08:22] <trygvebw> garrut: That is in Universe too. I was looking for a list of only the packages on the CD.
[08:23] <kev0r> short question: is it possible to install KDE next to gnome, and will it show up in the boot menu as another choice to boot?
[08:23] <Echylo> yes
[08:23] <echnaton> hi! iam changing from fedora to unbuntu!
[08:23] <Echylo> kev0r
[08:23] <Echylo> you don't "boot" into gnome
[08:23] <thoreauputic> kev0r: it will show in the login screen list, yes
[08:23] <kev0r> Echylo: you tried it?
[08:23] <trygvebw> echnaton, congrats :)
[08:23] <echnaton> is the preview 5.04 stable?
[08:23] <Echylo> yes I did
[08:23] <echnaton> iam downloading it
[08:23] <trygvebw> echnaton, yeah, mostly :)
[08:23] <kev0r> ok, so the gwm login screen will have a KDE login function?
[08:24] <Echylo> yup
[08:24] <kev0r> pwnd
[08:24] <kev0r> thanks
[08:24] <echnaton> WM is Gnome 2.8?
[08:24] <trygvebw> echnaton, no, 2.10
[08:24] <echnaton> cool
[08:24] <echnaton> i dont like fedora, because its very fat
[08:24] <echnaton> ^^
[08:24] <echnaton> an the kernel?
[08:24] <echnaton> 2.6.11?
[08:25] <CarinArr> hmm quick question.. i have an edimax pcmcia card, it says at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards that it "works with wep", what exactly does that mean?
[08:25] <echnaton> Blind Guardian rules
[08:25] <kev0r> there :P
[08:25] <trygvebw> CarinArr, That means that you can use it with the WEP encryption.
[08:26] <mackid> it's really a pain to install the nvidia driver without apt-get... lol
[08:26] <echnaton> which kernel is in 5.04?
[08:26] <CarinArr> oh.. hm. i thought it was some magical application;)
[08:27] <Xappe> echnaton, 2.6.10
[08:27] <phanter> Hello, I just installed ubuntu and I am impressed. Now the only thing I do not get is that the setup did not ask me for a root password. Now I want to use su in the terminal, but I have no password
[08:27] <echnaton> nice
[08:27] <mackid> phanter, use sudo -s
[08:28] <dieman> damnit, our mirror is down because facilities turned off the machine room a/c
[08:28] <dieman> luckily, the tds.net mirror is stupidly fast.
[08:28] <phanter> thanks! It works.
[08:28] <dieman> like 2500kB/s fast. :)
[08:29] <trygvebw> phanter: Ubuntu does not use "su", use "sudo program" or "sudo -i" instead.
[08:29] <phanter> oke, but why does this not work?
[08:29] <phanter>  sudo -s dpkg -i skype_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb
[08:29] <phanter> /usr/bin/dpkg: /usr/bin/dpkg: cannot execute binary file
[08:30] <zenrox> phanter, try sudo dpkg -i skype*.deb
[08:30] <trygvebw> sudo dpkg -i skype*
[08:30] <trygvebw> "sudo -s" is to get a shell.
[08:30] <zenrox> yep
[08:31] <phanter> the asteriks does make any difference... I am used to work with debian, but I think this is a bit different (different but good !)
[08:31] <phanter> does not make any difference I meant
[08:31] <trygvebw> No, it should not be different.
[08:31] <zenrox> phanter, *= whatever
[08:31] <zenrox> its a wild card
[08:32] <trygvebw> Try running only "dpkg".
[08:32] <thoreauputic> phanter: tab completion does the same thing, basically
[08:32] <zenrox> thoreauputic, is right
[08:33] <phanter> trygvebw: does not work either (i feel ashamed now, somehow I jst thought this would work out of the box)
[08:33] <trygvebw> Hm.
[08:33] <garrut> if you give root a password you can just do it the way you used to
[08:33] <phanter> I got it to work... sorry for the dumb questions...
[08:33] <trygvebw> :P
[08:33] <trygvebw> What did you do?
[08:33] <dieman> ackh.  I didn't see the 'nvidia is broken' in the topic until now. sigh.
[08:34] <garrut> my nvidia works fine..
[08:34] <zenrox> mine does too with 7176 drivers
[08:34] <phanter> just did it wthout the sudo sommand... a bit strange but it works :>
[08:34] <StoffBox-Steve> update to 2.6.10-27 and nvidia will work fine again :D
[08:34] <zenrox> phanter, casue you were already in a root concole
[08:35] <garrut> can anyone help me with this:
[08:35] <garrut> i'm running gnome 2.10 with a dual screen setup, my window list (which is in my panel on screen 1) contains the windows from screen #1 and screen #2, but i only want it to list the windows that are on screen #1, how do i accomplish that, it was working that way with my fedora setup
[08:35] <dieman> StoffBox-Steve: nice, good
[08:35] <dieman> oh 7176 is out!?
[08:35] <dieman> rock.
[08:35] <dieman> need to update my mythtv box
[08:35] <zenrox> dieman, yep
[08:35] <dieman> Added support for XRandR rotation; see Appendix W in the text README.
[08:35] <dieman> YES!
[08:36] <zenrox> and better pci preformance
[08:36] <trygvebw> garrut: Right click on panel, select "Show Windows From Current Workspace" and click "Close".
[08:36] <zenrox> witch applyes to me
[08:36] <garrut> i did that
[08:36] <garrut> but it shows the windows from both screens
[08:37] <trygvebw> Have you restarted GNOME?
[08:37] <garrut> jep
[08:37] <echnaton> does anybody use enlightenment with unbuntu?
[08:38] <trygvebw> I have done.
[08:39] <echnaton> dr17?
[08:39] <trygvebw> No, 16
[08:40] <trygvebw> BUT
[08:40] <trygvebw> If you add these two lines to sources.list:
[08:40] <trygvebw> deb http://soulmachine.net/debian unstable/
[08:40] <trygvebw> #deb-src http://soulmachine.net/debian unstable/
[08:40] <trygvebw>
[08:40] <trygvebw> You can install DR17.
[08:41] <kev0r> maybe remove the #?
[08:41] <trygvebw> woops ;)
[08:41] <echnaton> yes
[08:41] <trygvebw> But you don't normally need the deb-src
[08:41] <echnaton> ok
[08:41] <kev0r> no idd :)
[08:41] <echnaton> ay
[08:41] <kev0r> but just for the fuck of it
[08:41] <Gecko> I have followed every guide I could find, but I cannot seem to get my ati radeon mobility 9700 to use the 3d acceleration provided by the fglrx package. I am on amd64. Can anyone help me?
[08:41] <echnaton> -___-
[08:41] <scratchHead> are there any problems with hoary and vmware?  It says there are no disks?
[08:42] <trygvebw> Gecko: sudo apt-get install ati-fglrx
[08:42] <trygvebw> ?
[08:42] <LordGrunt> hi gecko :)
[08:43] <Gecko> LordGrunt, do I know you?
[08:43] <BiteMeBill> Is there no hoary backports?
[08:43] <trygvebw> BiteMeBill, yes, there are
[08:43] <trygvebw> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[08:43] <lamont> BiteMeBill: but why not just run hoary?
[08:43] <LordGrunt> Gecko: oh, seems a misunderstanding :) Geck0 was the one i knew
[08:43] <BiteMeBill> trygvebw: Ok so they are way different than the warty backports?
[08:44] <Gecko> trygvebw, that was how I did it yes
[08:44] <trygvebw> BiteMeBill, what's the difference? :P
[08:44] <BiteMeBill> lamont: I was editing my source.list and renamed every warty to hoary and then came up with the error on the backports.
[08:44] <Gecko> trygvebw, the problem is that fglrxinfo says it uses mesa for gl
[08:44] <lamont> heh
[08:44] <trygvebw> Gecko, yeah...
[08:44] <reon> zenrox, my LimeWire is working on AMD64 !! yeah
[08:45] <LordGrunt> i switched from gnome to kde, upgraded to hoarty. and now i have one big mess with fonts. all apps that not use kde native windows have so small fonts i can hardly read them
[08:45] <LordGrunt> help!
[08:45] <lamont> BiteMeBill: which leads immediately to the question of how exactly one would backport something to a release that isn't even out yet....
[08:45] <trygvebw> Don't run fglrxconfig, only xorgconfig. Then edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to the fglrx drivers.
[08:46] <echnaton> are there some good wallpaper?
[08:46] <echnaton> do you know a page?
[08:46] <Echylo> is there a better pdf reader as xpdf?
[08:46] <echnaton> ubuntu wallpaper?
[08:46] <Echylo> or is it as fast as it gets?
[08:47] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: I believe you can install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt and then edit fonts for gtk applications from kcontrol
[08:47] <BiteMeBill> trygvebw: warty was http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/dists/warty-backports main universe   and I just changed the warty to hoary.
[08:48] <trygvebw> echnaton, the new Hoary official background is nice.
[08:48] <trygvebw> BiteMeBill, how can you backport something to the newest version???
[08:48] <echnaton> ill see
[08:48] <trygvebw> The backports are FROM hoary!
[08:48] <LordGrunt> apokryphos: these were not affected, i needed to run separate gnome control center to set font sizes. even kde fonts are too small
[08:49] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: you can't change the kde font size in kcontrol?
[08:49] <Echylo> anybody can advise me a better pdf reader then xpdf?
[08:49] <trygvebw> gpdf
[08:49] <garrut> what's wrong with xpdf?
[08:49] <trygvebw> It's ugly :P
[08:49] <echnaton> Echylo: Is there a reason to repeat the same question twice in 10 minutes?
[08:49] <Echylo> yes
[08:49] <garrut> yeah but it works better than gpdf
[08:50] <LordGrunt> yes, i can. i have set all to helvetica 12. and it is too small as for 12. apps like xchat or mozilla are not affected by these settings
[08:50] <Echylo> as now everybody answers
[08:50] <echnaton> ok
[08:50] <Echylo> and not ten minutes ago
[08:50] <thoreauputic> xpdf is quicker than gpdf in my experience
[08:50] <trygvebw> That's because they are GTK+ applications...'
[08:50] <trygvebw> '
[08:50] <echnaton> ok
[08:50] <echnaton> xpdf?
[08:50] <echnaton> xpdf?
[08:50] <echnaton> xpdf?
[08:50] <trygvebw> LordGrunt: You need to use the qt-gtk-skin...
[08:50] <billytwowilly> xpdf also seems to render better
[08:50] <Echylo> but it sleems slow
[08:50] <trygvebw> I thought they were using the same renderer?
[08:51] <billytwowilly> better than kghostview anyway.
[08:51] <Echylo> lol
[08:51] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: they're not affected because they're not kde programs :). Is it only fonts that are small, or is it your resolution that's increased?
[08:51] <trygvebw> If you use KDE, why not use Kubuntu?
[08:52] <raydogg> how come php-mysql isn't in the repository in hoary ?
[08:52] <LordGrunt> apokryphos: i have still 1024. but managed to get 75 Hz :)
[08:52] <neighborlee> there is a update ( update panel icon) for nvidia-glx but the version ( it says : new version available) is same as default install of 6629...anyone know whats up with this ?? ;-)
[08:52] <raydogg> php, and mysql are... but not the php-mysql connector
[08:52] <trygvebw> raydog: apt-get install php mysql
[08:52] <dremui> hi
[08:52] <echnaton> why does this release is named: "Hoary"
[08:52] <echnaton> ?
[08:52] <BiteMeBill> trygvebw: I don't know why but thought I would have basically the same sources list for hoary that I had for warty.  And the backports off the backports page doesn't give any error like the others did.
[08:52] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: cool
[08:52] <echnaton> why is...
[08:52] <echnaton> sry for grammer mistakes!
[08:52] <apokryphos> trygvebw: kubuntu is kde with ubuntu
[08:52] <dremui> i've a problem here with hoary
[08:53] <LordGrunt> apokryphos: but everytime i was changing fonts sizes for gtk, they were restored to default at startup
[08:53] <dremui> when it starts
[08:53] <thoreauputic> echnaton: why not?
[08:53] <thoreauputic> :)
[08:53] <raydogg> trygvebw, yes, but what about the php-mysql connector ?
[08:53] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: going big again, you mean?
[08:53] <dremui> while syncing clock with ubuntulinux.org it doesn't proceed
[08:53] <echnaton> it could be named: "Paris Hilto"
[08:53] <echnaton> n
[08:53] <echnaton> why "Hoary"
[08:53] <LordGrunt> apokryphos: going small again after restarts
[08:53] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: So, for clarification, are you having problems with *all* the fonts? Gtk/kde.
[08:53] <trygvebw> raydogg: You don't need it, just add PHP to the mysql and apache configs.
[08:53] <raydogg> ok
[08:53] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: ok, install the above mentioned package, and try changing the fonts there.
[08:54] <raydogg> i needed it for mandrake and redhat, that is why i aske.d
[08:54] <LordGrunt> apokryphos: gtk2-engines-gtk-qt?
[08:54] <dremui> is it possible to skip the clock synchronization ate startup?
[08:54] <trygvebw> The new GNOME backgrounds are nice :O
[08:54] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: yes
[08:54] <trygvebw> dremui: Press Ctrl+C
[08:54] <dremui> trygvebw not working
[08:55] <dremui> it stucks in the clock synchronization
[08:55] <thoreauputic> dremui: the easiest way is to do ctrl-c when you see it
[08:55] <dremui> doesn't show OK nor FAIL
[08:55] <Butters|XGH|Snip> Does anyone know how to enable FastWrite on an Nvidia card??  I had it once but I forgot how
[08:55] <trygvebw> dremui: It shouldn't!
[08:55] <Xappe> i've removed the ntp synch at boot...don't remember how though :P
[08:56] <LordGrunt> apokryphos: how to run this app then?
[08:56] <dremui> trygvebw i guess it shouldnt
[08:56] <Butters|XGH|Snip> I have FastWrite enabled in my BIOS... but I think there was an option for my X config or something isn't there?
[08:56] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: in kcontrol, now, under fonts you should be able to alter gtk fonts
[08:57] <LordGrunt> apokryphos: ahh, this way. thanks
[08:57] <trygvebw> What's the KDE theme package called in Ubuntu?
[08:57] <dremui> i press ctrl+C but nothing :(
[08:57] <apokryphos> trygvebw: kde theme package?
[08:57] <trygvebw> Butters|XGH|Snip, googled?
[08:57] <trygvebw> Yeah, i have some very ugly KDE programs ;)
[08:57] <Echylo> hmm, xpdf is pretty slow in here, anyone an idea to speed up in some way?
[08:57] <thoreauputic> dremui, Xappe: something like   ` sudo update-rc.d ntpdate remove `
[08:57] <gustavo_> hi
[08:58] <will> question about hoary - whats all this NOT AUTHENTICATED stuff?
[08:58] <apokryphos> trygvebw: what would that be? A package with themes?
[08:58] <Xappe> thoreauputic, something like that, yes :)
[08:58] <gustavo_> is there a guide on how to enable composite on hoary? i already edited xorg.conf but if doesnt change anything (im on the preview release of hoary)
[08:58] <raydogg> how come when i installed mysql its not lsitening on port 3306, but I can connect via local sockets /
[08:58] <trygvebw> Will: That's Restricted and Multiverse packages, nothing to be afraid of.
[08:58] <trygvebw> apokryphos, yeah.
[08:59] <will> trygvebw: not some scare tatic?
[08:59] <apokryphos> trygvebw: erm, there isn't really one. All themes for kde you can get from kde-look.org. There's probably a few floating around, but no specific one with a bundle, I don't think.
[08:59] <trygvebw> will, no :P
[08:59] <will> good! thanks
[08:59] <pet1> how can I add a launcher to the Applcations menu in hoary? nautilus applications:/// don't work anymore :(
[08:59] <trygvebw> apokryphos, what about the standard KDE themes?
[08:59] <thoreauputic> will: you can use apt-key to get the keys
[08:59] <trygvebw> pet1, it's not possible, you have to wait for a menu editor.
[09:00] <pet1> :(
[09:00] <zenrox> pet1, or do it manuly
[09:00] <pet1> how?
[09:00] <apokryphos> trygvebw: they're all there, they come with kdelibs/base.
[09:00] <trygvebw> ok
[09:00] <zenrox> pet1,  dont ask me
[09:00] <trygvebw> apokryphos, thanks for your help :)
[09:00] <zenrox> i just make a new launcher on my bar
[09:00] <apokryphos> np
[09:00] <trygvebw> pet1, google. You have to edit a file.
[09:01] <LordGrunt> apokryphos: i stumbled upon another problem: im unable to run mplayer :( i'll pm you error message
[09:02] <Echylo> you use warty LordGrunt ?
[09:02] <Echylo> I think it's a common problem that mplayer doesn't works
[09:02] <Echylo> in hoary it's fixed
[09:02] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: did you install mplayer as suggested in the RestrictedFormats wiki?
[09:02] <apokryphos> he's on hoary
[09:02] <LordGrunt> nope, just installed package
[09:03] <LordGrunt> but its not only mplayer's problem
[09:03] <LordGrunt> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[09:03] <LordGrunt> Xlib: No protocol specified
[09:03] <trygvebw> LordGrunt: DO NOT run mplayer as root!
[09:04] <LordGrunt> trygvebw: i alwas do that :P
[09:04] <trygvebw> :P
[09:04] <LordGrunt> trygvebw: and it was alwas working fine
[09:04] <reon> Codecs for AMD64 ??? Anybody ???
[09:04] <thoreauputic> LordGrunt: NEVER run X apps as root , unless specified for config etc
[09:05] <trygvebw> If you have to, write "xhost +localhost" before being root.
[09:05] <LordGrunt> i got the same error msg when running game client which used sdl
[09:05] <gustav_> pet1: you have to make a [your application] .desktop file in /usr/share/applications then you can look at the other .desktop files to see what to write in it
[09:05] <LordGrunt> and again, this game was alwas going fine on root
[09:05] <thoreauputic> LordGrunt: of course you did
[09:06] <gustav_> pet1: It's not that hard
[09:06] <pet1> gustav_: thanks.
[09:06] <thoreauputic> LordGrunt: read our lips: root is for administration
[09:07] <LordGrunt> and irc is for helipng other, yea ;)
[09:07] <devazion> My ntfs partition is read only, it has the same settings as my fat32 drives in fstab except that it uses ntfs instead of vfat... the folder settings is the same but still i only have read access on all users with the vfat folders... i have tried to change the folder to 755 but it dont work since it say its readonly... is the ntfs driver shitting me or how do i get access from all users?
[09:08] <thoreauputic> LordGrunt: it *is* helping you to warn you not to run stuff as root
[09:08] <trygvebw> NTFS is only READ, not WRITE
[09:08] <Echylo> lool
[09:08] <Echylo> read his lips
[09:08] <Echylo> :p
[09:08] <raydogg> trans_err, I did need the module, I added the universe and multiverse repositories, and I found it in there, but thanks anyway
[09:08] <raydogg> the one for php-mysql
[09:09] <LordGrunt> thoreauputic: save your time, what was working, needs to work still. that's all i asked
[09:09] <trans_err> raydogg: yikes, how long ago was that?
[09:09] <trygvebw> If you NEED NTFS read accces, use the CaptiveNTFS driver.
[09:09] <trans_err> trygvebw: you mean write
[09:09] <devazion> trygvebw: doh, i never said i was going to write it dummer... i said i cant even get read access with all users since there is no way to change privilegies
[09:09] <trygvebw> Yes, of course :P
[09:09] <raydogg> lol sorry trans_err, i meant trygvebw
[09:09] <trans_err> raydogg: heh- no problem
[09:10] <tizen> devazion: add a umask=0222
[09:10] <trygvebw> devazion: append "user" to the fstab entry
[09:10] <Xappe> ntfs write is almost like ntfs destroy
[09:10] <trygvebw> No, not the CaptiveNTFS drivers. They are quite stable.
[09:11] <thoreauputic> LordGrunt:  google "mit-magic-cookie"
[09:11] <thoreauputic> later, all ! :)
[09:11] <Sav> is it possible to mount windows share with read/write ?
[09:12] <trygvebw> Sav: SAMBA? Yeah.
[09:12] <Sav> trygvebw, im mounting in fstab, smbfs, any suggestions of command?
[09:12] <larsrohdin> hi, i just installed the fglrx-drivers for ati-cards (9200SE)... but now i cant play my videos in fullscreen? whats wrong?
[09:13] <trygvebw> larsrohdin, what happens when you try to play the videos?
[09:13] <larsrohdin> i can play them alright but not in fullscreen...
[09:13] <trygvebw> Yeah, but what happens? Does it crash?
[09:13] <motuline> If I install java and install plug-in for firefox.. can opera use it to?
[09:14] <larsrohdin> if i press "F" for fullscreen, the picture is still tiny...
[09:14] <trygvebw> Hm.
[09:14] <trygvebw> Have you tried restarting GNOME?
[09:14] <larsrohdin> yes, it was a couple of days ago...
[09:14] <kotatsu> how does one go about getting midi playback to work? never had a need for it and someone is asking me how to do it =x
[09:15] <larsrohdin> i could use fullscreen when i used the old driver
[09:15] <trygvebw> hm
[09:16] <gustavo_> so, anybody knows how to enable xcomposite in hoary?
[09:17] <larsrohdin> trygvebw, any ideas?
[09:17] <trygvebw> hm
[09:17] <cavediver> Hi. I'm looking for a good dm-crypt howto. I also want to know which encription algorithms are included in ubuntu pre-compiled kernels.
[09:18] <trygvebw> No ideas. Do you need the ATI driver? The OSS Radeon driver is working fine for everything except for 3D.
[09:18] <LordGrunt> apokryphos: there is nothing new in kde control panel in fonts area
[09:18] <LordGrunt> apokryphos: need to restart kde?
[09:19] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: nope. kcontrol > Appearance & Themes > GTK Styles and Fonts isn't there?
[09:20] <LordGrunt> apokryphos: lol, yes, they are here
[09:20] <larsrohdin> how do i install the old graphic-driver? i mean the one that came with Ubuntu... fglrx isn't working to great for me...
[09:21] <MyKq3> how can i install norton comander on ubuntu ?
[09:21] <MyKq3> should i just type aptget install ncc?
[09:21] <MyKq3> mcc?
[09:22] <LordGrunt> apokryphos: thanks and all, going to reboot. cu later
[09:25] <larsrohdin> whats the graphic-driver that comes with ubuntu called?
[09:25] <mjr> um, XFree86 / X.org?
[09:25] <Anubis> what?
[09:25] <Anubis> those are not drivers
[09:25] <larsrohdin> mjr, sorry Xfree86
[09:25] <mjr> no, but the drivers are a part of them
[09:26] <larsrohdin> i installed fglrx and its not working to good for me... i want the old back
[09:26] <Boomstickz> try radeon
[09:26] <Boomstickz> I think thats the one for ATI
[09:27] <Xappe> or 'ati'
[09:27] <larsrohdin> Boomstickz, no, thats the one i have no... i don't want it anymore
[09:27] <mjr> yes; and also, removing the fglrx packages might(?) be required since they might(?) overwrite some libraries
[09:27] <mjr> no, fglrx != radeon
[09:28] <larsrohdin> but if i remove fglrx, will the old driver work then?
[09:28] <HiddenWolf> larsrohdin: only if you update your xorg.conf
[09:34] <speedy2782> I just loaded a bunch of themes from synaptic but...how do I find them with the theme changer?
[09:34] <andreasv1> hi. is it ok to do an apt-get upgrade from warty to hoary? or should one format and re-install?
[09:34] <DarthFrog> andreasv1: It's OK.
[09:34] <Thom_Holwerda> you can do an apt-get dist-upgrade, but first you have to alter the sources.list accordingly
[09:34] <apokryphos> andreasv1: it's fine; just change your sources.list and you're good to go.
[09:34] <deFrysk> andreasv1, when final is out one should be able to upgrade flawlessly
[09:35] <andreasv1> cool
[09:35] <Thom_Holwerda> isnt he supposed to do dist-upgrade?
[09:35] <Thom_Holwerda> and not ordinary upgrade
[09:35] <apokryphos> yup
[09:35] <Thom_Holwerda> ok, just to confirm
[09:35] <andreasv1> unfortunately divx and mp3 still don't work out of the box in hoary ....
[09:35] <neighborlee> are there archive managers for gnome other than file-roller ?
[09:35] <apokryphos> andreasv1: yup, but it's very easy to get around.
[09:36] <apokryphos> andreasv1: there's an article on the wiki that talks through what you need to do.
[09:36] <andreasv1> and gpdf isn't there, why is that?
[09:36] <andreasv1> I know how to fix it
[09:39] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> can someone help me use cdrdao
[09:43] <Boomstickz> Sw0rdsavy: i'd just grab k3b man, saves alot of time hehehe
[09:44] <HenrikLynggaard> anyone here tried building mozilla on ubuntu ? for me it builds but its segfaults at startup
[09:44] <cowbud> why the hell would you want to build mozilla?
[09:44] <devazion> Dont matter, he wanted to.. Dont flame please
[09:44] <HenrikLynggaard> to hack on it ?!
[09:44] <speedy2782> does internet explorer work in ubuntu
[09:45] <Boomstickz> yes, in wine
[09:45] <devazion> speedy2782: theoretically yes
[09:45] <garrut> wtf
[09:45] <AngryClip> speedy2782:  works out of the box in cxoffice
[09:45] <Boomstickz> Speedy2782: Check this out http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=ie6
[09:46] <cowbud> hahah
[09:47] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> Boomstickz, i would but i need to burn a .bin file
[09:48] <speedy2782> ok, that is too much work for just a few files. Is there anyway to get firefox to view http://pluto.bus.oregonstate.edu/public/College%20of%20Business/Classes/BA%20469%20-%20Dibrell/?Cmd=courseview
[09:49] <haselden> oregon state in da house
[09:49] <mjr> righto; gnome seems much more finnished in hoary after installing the finnish language support files ;)
[09:49] <cowbud> haselden: yah but if it was PSU the shit would work in a mozilla based browser :-P
[09:49] <j^> [CX] -sw0rdsavy http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Cdrdao
[09:49] <speedy2782> PSU...not really
[09:50] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> thanks
[09:50] <speedy2782> I am curious if that website is veiwable with firefox
[09:50] <cowbud> uhh load it in firefox and see
[09:50] <Boomstickz> I can view the site, but not that page
[09:50] <speedy2782> right
[09:50] <haselden> not working for me
[09:50] <speedy2782> that is my problem
[09:50] <speedy2782> haselden: are you are OSU?
[09:50] <haselden> if i recall it's like and exchange server
[09:50] <haselden> i graduated last march
[09:50] <speedy2782> ah
[09:50] <speedy2782> sweet action
[09:50] <speedy2782> this june for me
[09:50] <haselden> be down wed for the game
[09:51] <haselden> :)
[09:51] <speedy2782> just finished my finals today
[09:51] <speedy2782> yeah baby!
[09:51] <raydogg> sweet, now you can help with ubuntu development
[09:52] <Anubis> when are they going to fix the clear recent documents cmd in Gnome?
[09:52] <AndyR> lo all
[09:52] <AndyR> o/
[09:54] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> j^, i cant get it to open my device
[09:54] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> how can i tell which value to put in
[09:55] <j^> [CX] -sw0rdsavy cdrdao scanbus
[09:55] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> eh yea its not giveing any results
[09:56] <haselden> speedy....you just trying to download a few files?
[09:57] <j^> [CX] -sw0rdsavy you can always try --device /dev/cdrom
[09:57] <kev0r> Arg, just installed KDE next to Gnome, now my sound is all fucky, strange beeping sounds come out of my spaekers
[09:57] <kev0r> no normal sound
[09:57] <kev0r> anyone an idea how to correct this problem?
[09:57] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> oh ok
[09:58] <edgarin> Hello
[09:58] <edgarin> i have a ubuntu
[09:58] <kev0r> hi
[09:58] <kev0r> great :)
[09:58] <edgarin> connected with a network windows
[09:58] <edgarin> ok..
[09:58] <edgarin> in one computer windows
[09:58] <speedy2782> haselden: All of my professors websites are on that server...so I need to figure a way to get it working with that server
[09:59] <kev0r> Echylo: You installed KDE next to gnome, did you have any sound problems???
[09:59] <edgarin> exist one printer and...the printer is canon bjc-1000 and in my ubuntu i want install the printer
[09:59] <edgarin> but... when try install the printer
[09:59] <Echylo> kev0r I didn't actually used KDE, I was glad it installed
[09:59] <edgarin> with gnome-cups-manager
[09:59] <Echylo> but removed it quicker as it was installed
[09:59] <kev0r> don't use it now too
[09:59] <edgarin> the installation
[09:59] <edgarin> not work
[09:59] <kev0r> but my sound under gnome is crapped up
[10:00] <Echylo> well I removed kde cause it gave troubles with updating to hoary
[10:00] <Echylo> it still does btw
[10:00] <Echylo> I always get weird messages
[10:00] <Echylo> when updating or installing packages
[10:00] <edgarin> the button Apply not work
[10:00] <Echylo> it installs them and they work
[10:00] <kev0r> i thought Hoary was an old version of Warty
[10:00] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> thanks j^ got it working
[10:00] <Echylo> lol kev0r :)
[10:00] <will> ah im having dependecy problems with mozilla-firefox after upgrading to hoary!
[10:01] <Echylo> it's a beta version
[10:01] <Echylo> or was
[10:01] <kev0r> of the next
[10:01] <kev0r> ok
[10:01] <kev0r> :D
[10:01] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> /dev/hdd: IDE-CD R/RW 4x4x24    Rev: 1.04
[10:01] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> Using driver: Generic SCSI-3/MMC - Version 2.0 (options 0x0000)
[10:01] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> WARNING: Unit not ready, still trying...
[10:01] <kev0r> now only to regain my leet sound
[10:01] <kev0r> maybe I've to do the unthinkable
[10:01] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> its flooding the screen with that now :(
[10:01] <kev0r> reboot...
[10:01] <garrut> NOOOOooooo
[10:01] <kev0r> yyy
[10:01] <kev0r> YYYY
[10:01] <kev0r> the pain :9
[10:01] <kev0r> don't wanna restart all those modules manual
[10:02] <kev0r> is there a quick command to restart 'm all atonce? :)
[10:02] <garrut> just put 'em in /etc/modules
[10:03] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> j^ could it be because ubuntu auto mounts a cd
[10:03] <kev0r> yeh but my sound is f-ed
[10:03] <kev0r> bet i'll work again once I restart my alsa module
[10:03] <j^> [CX] -sw0rdsavy no idea, it works here
[10:03] <kev0r> if it even is a module lol
[10:04] <kev0r> bbl, gotta reboot
[10:05] <mjr> argh
[10:07] <kev0r> LOL
[10:07] <kev0r> rebooted, modules loading...
[10:07] <kev0r> alsamixer loads BEEEEEEEEp
[10:07] <kev0r> sound gets instafucked
[10:09] <mjr> bugger with this firmware stuff
[10:09] <mjr> informative error messages might be nice
[10:10] <_ale> anyone having locales problems?
[10:10] <jnk> do you _ale  ?
[10:11] <_ale> yes, 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' says that locales are broken or not fully installed
[10:12] <Nafallo> where can I find the term_type setting in irssi-text?
[10:12] <_ale> and 'apt-get install localeconf' says that package not found
[10:12] <_ale> don't know what else i could try
[10:12] <xerox> 'lo again.
[10:13] <_ale> it would be nice if someone could help me out a bit
[10:13] <xerox> I read on <http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html> that Ubuntu Hoary has NTFS-resize. So, can I do resize my main NTFS partition during the installation process? (I do have just downloaded: hoary-live-i386.iso)
[10:14] <jnk> _ale, hang on...
[10:14] <_ale> ok
[10:14] <larsrohdin> i saw that they've released a preview version of hoary now, but is it stable?
[10:15] <queuetue> larsrohdin, I've been running hoary for a wek or so as my primary workstations - I'm very happy with it.
[10:16] <kev0r> Can anyone help me with this, alsa thinks i have some strange chipset on my card, is there a way to let alsa recheck what chipset my card has?
[10:16] <apokryphos> larsrohdin: the majority of people in here are using it, yes, quite stable.
[10:16] <speedy2782> so, i-pod and ubuntu..anyone tackle that before?
[10:17] <larsrohdin> queuetue, ok...because i had some troubles with it the last time i upgraded... if i don't like it, can i "downgrade" to warty, in the same way i upgrade to hoary?
[10:17] <queuetue> larsrohdin, I would not expect that to work, but I am not a debian expert.
[10:18] <Jeezis> i have a question about some problems with ubuntu on a sager 9860-s
[10:18] <larsrohdin> ok...
[10:18] <Jeezis> the package managers (both synaptic and ubuntu) dont download the updates
[10:19] <larsrohdin> queuetue, whats the file with sources called?
[10:20] <Jeezis> Failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager as user root:
[10:20] <queuetue> larsrohdin, it's /etc/apt/sources.list, but if you don't know that, maybe you shouldn't...
[10:21] <Jeezis>  Child terminated with 165 status
[10:21] <Jeezis> wtf does that mean?
[10:21] <larsrohdin> ive done it once before, i just could'nt remember the name of the file=)
[10:21] <kev0r> nobody here that knows how to help me :(
[10:22] <Anubis> when are they going to fix the clear recent documents cmd in Gnome?
[10:24] <Echylo> what's wrong with it Anubis
[10:24] <tritium> Anubis, what do you mean?
[10:25] <Marble2> how do I add a bookmark to ssh so I can type say "ssh server" instead of "ssh user@ip"
[10:25] <Jeezis> soo, can anyone tell me what this error message means?
[10:26] <Jeezis>  Failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager as user root:
[10:26] <Jeezis> Child terminated with 165 status
[10:26] <crimsun> Marble2: you can do that already if your user on the remote machine is identical to the current one
[10:26] <Marble2> how?
[10:28] <mdke> ping mdz
[10:28] <Marble2> crimsun: How would i do that?
[10:28] <crimsun> Marble2: do the users match?
[10:28] <Marble2> yes
[10:28] <Marble2> but I mean like a name, not the ip
[10:28] <BiteMeBill> Is synaptic not in Hoary?
[10:28] <crimsun> BiteMeBill: yes it is, why?
[10:29] <cg_> Hi all,  is there a command to see al the software installed in a system??
[10:29] <Nafallo> Marble2: ssh host as the which is the same.
[10:29] <larsrohdin> when the hoary cd comes from ship-it... can i upgrade using that? it would take a couple of days for me to do it from the web...
[10:29] <mdke> cg_, dpkg -l
[10:29] <jnk> cg_, dpkg --get-selections
[10:29] <crimsun> larsrohdin: yes
[10:29] <BiteMeBill> crimsun: I just updated to it and now can't find it in any of the menus.
[10:29] <cg_> thanks
[10:29] <mdz> mdke: ?
[10:29] <Marble2> Nafallo: huh?
[10:29] <mdke> mdz, sorry to disturb, i sent you a query
[10:30] <larsrohdin> crimsun, ok good... whats up btw? haven't seen you here in a long time=) i remember you helped me alot when i was new at this=)
[10:30] <Nafallo> Marble2: the host doesn't got a resolvable name?
[10:30] <Nafallo> Marble2: if not, you could add it to /etc/hosts
[10:30] <Marble2> yes it does...
[10:31] <Marble2> what I want is like, you know how in lftp you can add a bookmark?
[10:31] <crimsun> larsrohdin: I'm here occasionally ;-)
[10:31] <Marble2> so you ca just connect to the bookmarks name instead of putting in the ip...
[10:31] <Marble2> i want to do that in ssh
[10:31] <Marble2> is it possible?
[10:31] <crimsun> Marble2: see Nafallo's suggestion regarding /etc/hosts
[10:31] <mdke> hi all. If I wish to order some hoary cds from shipit, and I already got some warty cds, do I just increase the number of cds I want? or is there some way to clear the form?
[10:31] <netpuppy> is it possible to check the integrity of all installed packages?
[10:31] <larsrohdin> crimsun, you know, im getting quite good at this now;)
[10:31] <netpuppy> (no files has changed)
[10:31] <Nafallo> Marble2: well, you don't need bookmarks there. ssh server would resolve server to an ip.
[10:32] <Marble2> ah
[10:32] <larsrohdin> no time to sleep... good night y'all
[10:33] <hinni> Hallo! Is there anybody who is able and willing to help a total newbie to get Kubuntu started after login? *smile*
[10:33] <mdke> hi all. If I wish to order some hoary cds from shipit, and I already got some warty cds, do I just increase the number of cds I want? or is there some way to clear the form?
[10:33] <mdke> whoops
[10:33] <mdke> sorry for repeating so soon
[10:34] <Marble2> ok Nafallo, i got that working
[10:34] <Nafallo> Marble2: :-)
[10:34] <Marble2> one more thing though. how can I make it so it automatically sends the server my password
[10:34] <Marble2> I don't have to enter it in the prompt
[10:34] <Nafallo> Marble2: man ssh-keygen
[10:35] <mdke> hmm
[10:35] <BiteMeBill> crimsun: are you sure it's still in Hoary?
[10:36] <Nafallo> mdke: dunno if mako has hoary-ordering working yet. I haven't seen an announce about it...
[10:36] <mdke> oh cool np
[10:36] <tritium> Marble2, did you check out the ssh manpage?  You probably should...
[10:37] <StoffBox-Steve> BiteMeBill: can you load it form the console ?
[10:37] <BiteMeBill> Not sure if I am miss spelling it or not.  But it's not coming up./
[10:37] <kev0r> Anyone here that knows how I can change the chipset in Alsamixer?
[10:38] <StoffBox-Steve> BiteMeBill: > sudo synaptic
[10:38] <crimsun> gksudo synaptic
[10:38] <Marble2> tritium: do you have a link?
[10:38] <Riddell> hinni: try saying your problem in #kubuntu
[10:38] <BiteMeBill> Command not found
[10:38] <Marble2> never mind, google got it
[10:38] <hinni> thanks @riddell :-)
[10:39] <tritium> Marble2, you can read manpages from the command line.  e.g. "man ssh"
[10:39] <Marble2> oh ok
[10:39] <hinni> Cu!
[10:39] <Marble2> uh BiteMeBill, go to System->Administration-> Synaptic package manager
[10:39] <StoffBox-Steve> BiteMeBill: you must use sudo -- " steve@StoffBox:~ $ sudo synaptic "
[10:39] <mjr> bugger
[10:39] <BiteMeBill> crimsun: whats up with the gksudo?
[10:39] <mjr> no TV on the Hoary kernel :(
[10:40] <BiteMeBill> gksudo works but not sudo
[10:40] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm sudo works for me
[10:40] <BiteMeBill> Marble2: It's not there in Hoary.
[10:40] <Nafallo> hmm, mako HAS hoary-ordering online :-P
[10:40] <crimsun> BiteMeBill: gksudo is the preferred method for executing gui apps that need root privileges.
[10:40] <BiteMeBill> StoffBox-Steve: Are you running Warty or Hoary?
[10:40] <woodwizzle> Is there a way I can tell nautilus that I want to be sudoes?
[10:41] <R0bNyc> I have to do sudo su , not just sud o
[10:41] <tritium> BiteMeBill, it's definitely in Hoary
[10:41] <BiteMeBill> crimsun:  Ok that makes sense.  wonder why they made that change?
[10:41] <crimsun> BiteMeBill: "change?" It has been the preferred method for quite some time.
[10:41] <Nafallo> R0bNyc: tried sudo -s?
[10:42] <R0bNyc> nat yet
[10:42] <BiteMeBill> the only way I can run it is gksudo synaptic it's not in the administration menu.
[10:42] <R0bNyc> but a
[10:42] <R0bNyc> am*
[10:42] <BiteMeBill> crimsun: in warty all I needed was sudo.  But in Hoary it wants the gksudo.
[10:42] <Nafallo> R0bNyc: -s tells it to open a shell :-)
[10:42] <R0bNyc> lol so its gonna open another 1 ?
[10:43] <jnk> woodwizzle, what do you mean?
[10:43] <crimsun> BiteMeBill: gksudo has always been preferred.
[10:43] <BiteMeBill> ok
[10:43] <raydogg> they need to add gaim-encryption to the repository
[10:44] <crimsun> raydogg: it is in the repo.
[10:44] <Nafallo> R0bNyc: well, sudo is a way of changing user more or less. I would think it reuses the current shell.
[10:44] <R0bNyc> so how do u become root ?
[10:44] <Nafallo> R0bNyc: su on the other hand is to run a extra program.
[10:44] <jnk> sudo -s
[10:44] <BiteMeBill> grrr...  Child terminated wiht 1 status...  Were permisions changed?
[10:44] <crimsun> raydogg: 2.34-0ubuntu2 0 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages
[10:45] <Nafallo> R0bNyc: sudo -s gives the shell root privilegies :-).
[10:45] <R0bNyc> i see
[10:45] <woodwizzle> jnk, well lets say I want to do some file management in a directory that I don't have permissions to do so unless I'm root
[10:45] <raydogg> crimsun, I had to download it, i added the repos, and did a search, the only thing that came up was gaim
[10:45] <Nafallo> R0bNyc: sudo -u www-data -s gives you a shell as www-data etcetera :-).
[10:46] <crimsun> raydogg: are you running hoary/
[10:47] <jnk> woodwizzle, well you can start a nautilus as root but this is certainly not recommended :)
[10:47] <BiteMeBill> UGH!  Don't tell me I just hosed my install!  LOL
[10:47] <woodwizzle> jnk, yeah I know =). It would be nice if I try to edit or move a file like that if I got a lil' dialog box that asks for roots password
[10:48] <jnk> woodwizzle, maybe this is possible with a nautilus script...
[10:48] <huz> hello is gstreamer0.8-lame still avalaible ? I'ld like to encode mp3 w/ sound-juicer
[10:48] <crimsun> huz: wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[10:51] <Xappe> does graveman support burning of bin/cue isos?
[10:52] <dabi> anyone know svcd burning tool?
[10:52] <Nili> Hello!
[10:52] <Nili> Anyone active?
[10:54] <BiteMeBill> Can anyone tell me in Hoary where Synaptic is located at in the filesystem?  I tried a sudo find -name synaptic and it came up blank.
[10:54] <jnk> Xappe, it seems it does not
[10:54] <jnk> but you can convert it to an iso
[10:54] <jnk> (not with graveman)
[10:55] <xerox> WOW, the live cd is IMPRESSIVE.
[10:55] <jnk> BiteMeBill, dpkg -L synaptic
[10:55] <Nermal> duh.. ;)
[10:55] <dabi> BiteMeBill: /usr/sbin/synaptic
[10:55] <xerox> The *only* live CD who get the correct resolution, 1280x800, 16:9 monitor, on my laptop.
[10:55] <xerox> That's GREAT.
[10:55] <dabi> BiteMeBill: gksudo /usr/sbin/synaptic
[10:55] <koen_> how can i show hidden files/directory's ?
[10:55] <Nermal> its BASIC... it's just ubuntu bothered to get it right :)
[10:55] <Nermal> koen_: ls -la
[10:56] <Nafallo> 16:10?
[10:56] <xerox> I'll install it tomorrow, wow, really impressive, guys.
[10:56] <caliber> How can I change apache from trying to look for everything in /var/www/apache2-default instead of /var/www ??
[10:56] <BiteMeBill> dabi: are you showing it there?
[10:56] <njs12345> caliber: look in /etc/apache2
[10:56] <njs12345> I seem to remember the conf option is called DocumentRoot, but I might be wrong
[10:56] <dabi> BiteMeBill: the bin..
[10:56] <tritium> koen_, or just ls -a
[10:56] <caliber> njs12345: ill look, thanks
[10:57] <BiteMeBill> caliber: need to edit your apache2.conf
[10:57] <caliber> thanks guys
[10:57] <Nafallo> caliber: no.
[10:57] <koen_> thanks nermal & tritium, how about searching hidden files ?
[10:57] <Funraiser> I like to think that "Ghost in the Shell" refers to the shell of an OS, so elaborate that a "spirit" of its own, hence a Ghost, lives within. Somebody shares that?
[10:57] <koen_> i must find something like ltris.conf
[10:57] <Nafallo> caliber: you need to edit /etc/apache2/sites-avalible/default
[10:57] <koen_> but i guess its hidde
[10:58] <caliber> Nafallo: ill check that now. thanks
[10:58] <WillCooke> Hi guys, Anyone know much about encoding to xvid/divx/mp4?
[10:58] <jnk> mencoder / ffmpeg
[10:58] <njs12345> WillCooke: use theora!
[10:58] <Nafallo> s/avalible/available/
[10:58] <njs12345> you can use gst-launch for that as well
[10:58] <shadeofgrey> home sweet home...
[10:58] <Nermal> koen_: is it in ~/.ltris ?
[10:58] <BiteMeBill> dabi:  I show synclient and syndaemon but when I run gksudo synaptic it does nothing at all.
[10:59] <koen_> nermal, no doesnt show it
[10:59] <WillCooke> njs12345, Can't got to be able to play it on my dvd  (+divx) player! :(
[10:59] <koen_> cant find it either
[10:59] <tritium> BiteMeBill, do you have it installed?
[10:59] <koen_> but im not sure if the 'find' command searches hidden files aswell
[10:59] <njs12345> ah.. sucks
[10:59] <Nermal> koen_: locate ?
[10:59] <dieman> mmm
[10:59] <njs12345> theora rules and isn't patent encoded
[10:59] <BiteMeBill> tritium: it was while it was Warty but I just did a dist-upgrade and now it seems that it isn't there.
[10:59] <njs12345> but still, I think you can use gst-launch
[10:59] <dieman> my upgrade to hoary worked great, yay
[11:00] <koen_> locate isnt a known command
[11:00] <Nermal> :)
[11:00] <Xappe> jnk, i know, but bin/cue support would be nice for my legally questionable images...
[11:00] <tritium> BiteMeBill, dpkg -l | grep synaptic will tell you
[11:00] <djp> ok, so on advice from an esteemed member of this forum (at least that is my opinion), i am about to use Gnomebaker as my burnung software of choice. does everyone else feel the same way? or would you go mad and put a kde app in with your loverly gnome in the shape of k3b?
[11:00] <jnk> Xappe, sure :)
[11:00] <koen_> on my vectorlinux install ./ltris was in my ~ dir
[11:00] <Vjaz> Anyone else have a problem with the desktop not updating in Hoary?
[11:00] <jnk> Vjaz, yes
[11:00] <Vjaz> Known problem?
[11:00] <Vjaz> Is it in Hoary or Gnome?
[11:00] <jnk> I think I've read this has someting to do with the daemon that monitors changes
[11:01] <BiteMeBill> tritium it still says it's there.
[11:01] <caliber> Nafallo: That was it.. perfect.. thanks :>
[11:01] <tritium> BiteMeBill, dpkg -L synaptic will tell you where the files in the package are
[11:01] <dieman> djp: i usually just end up using nautilus these days or do it by hand :)
[11:01] <jnk> Vjaz, gnome I think
[11:01] <Nafallo> caliber: happy to help :-)
[11:01] <koen_> any knows where the ltris conf file is located ?
[11:01] <Vjaz> jnk: That's odd, because Hoary's Gnome is supposedly stable (2.10).
[11:02] <tritium> koen_, look for a hidden directory
[11:02] <BiteMeBill> hmmm..  /etc/X11/sysconfig/synaptic.desktop
[11:02] <koen_> just found it. Weird that it didnt show up at first
[11:02] <tritium> BiteMeBill, the binary is in /usr/sbin
[11:02] <tritium> koen_, maybe you missed it ;)
[11:02] <BiteMeBill> tritium: no it's not it's not there.
[11:02] <koen_> yeah could be :)
[11:03] <koen_> thanks for the help
[11:03] <tritium> BiteMeBill, excerpt from dpkg -L synaptic: /usr/sbin/synaptic
[11:03] <djp> dieman: for creating multisession cd's?
[11:03] <shadeofgrey> is the 2.0 beta of OO ready for distribution thru apt-get system?
[11:04] <zubunt> Hello
[11:04] <tritium> Anubis, you're right.  Recent Documents lists doesn't get cleared
[11:04] <tritium> shadeofgrey, no, but a 1.9.76 beta version is
[11:05] <zubunt> I have a small problem with the thrash applet. Somehow it utilizes allmost all of my cpu,
[11:05] <speedy2782> Why is KDE the most popular?
[11:05] <Nermal> its not
[11:06] <j-rock_> depends on who you ask, i say that gnome AND kde suck
[11:07] <pepsi> your favorite somethingorother sucks.. mine is better
[11:07] <pepsi> i win
[11:07] <j-rock_> exactly
[11:07] <j-rock_> thats what everyone is going to say
[11:07] <j-rock_> so there is no point in asking, you just have to try them all and decide for yourself
[11:07] <zubunt> No, i like gnoem :-)
[11:07] <zubunt> gnome
[11:07] <pepsi> heh
[11:08] <jnk> Vjaz, do you have gamin installed?
[11:08] <tritium> BiteMeBill, did you find it?
[11:09] <jnk> you're escaping the question... kde probably is used by more people... for now
[11:09] <BiteMeBill> tritium: brb phone
[11:10] <j-rock_> heh, i still wouldnt know, i don't poll the general linux population, i stick with my elitist prick friends
[11:10] <j-rock_> :)
[11:10] <jnk> maybe because it existed before gnome, and because many linux/unix users like to have a ton of options direcly accessible
[11:10] <speedy2782> Oh, I was just reading that KDE was 2x more popular than gnome, so I was asking if anyone knew why?
[11:10] <j-rock_> no idea why
[11:10] <Nermal> bit out of date
[11:10] <Nermal> kde 3.4 is current
[11:10] <j-rock_> i think that qt is easier to code, but gtk actually looks a bit better
[11:11] <mjr> Perhaps it is. KDE got a head start
[11:11] <Nermal> kde is pretty hideous :|
[11:11] <zubunt> I don't think that kde is twice as popular as gnome.
[11:11] <j-rock_> things will get more interesting when qt and gtk start including 3d functions as part of their kits
[11:11] <j-rock_> kde and gnome are hideous, taskbars . . . ewwwww
[11:11] <zenrox> j-rock, i cant wate
[11:11] <Nermal> yeah.. and functionality.. gaaah
[11:11] <mjr> the task bars are not obligatory, HTH
[11:11] <speedy2782> ok, new question. What do I have to do to get openoffice to open quicker. Right now its fastest time is over 2 minutes
[11:11] <Nermal> lets stick with black box :P
[11:12] <j-rock_> heh, both their start times are slow too
[11:12] <Nermal> speedy2782: enable dma, apt-get install openoffice.org2 ?
[11:12] <zenrox> speedy2782,  use prelink
[11:12] <speedy2782> I am very new
[11:12] <Nermal> use a decent filesystem
[11:12] <zubunt> speedy2782 : did you tried prelink?
[11:12] <speedy2782> what are those things
[11:12] <KING^^^> hello all , i have installed java but it doesn't work , why ?
[11:12] <speedy2782> just to let you know, today is day 5 on linux
[11:12] <j-rock_> im out
[11:12] <Nermal> KING^^^: ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[11:13] <zenrox> KING^^^, have you read www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[11:13] <Nermal> and thats a crap question btw
[11:13] <KING^^^> yes
[11:13] <Nermal> then it should work
[11:13] <zenrox> yep
[11:13] <KING^^^> from there i have installed it
[11:13] <Nermal> unless you downloaded the rpm not the standard tarball bin
[11:13] <universal> are there someone who can tell me how to install things to gdesklets??
[11:13] <KING^^^> jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin
[11:13] <KING^^^> is the correct one
[11:14] <zenrox> KING^^^, what program are you trying to run
[11:14] <universal> are there someone who can tell me how to install things to gdesklets??
[11:14] <BiteMeBill> tritium: Ok what did you ask me to do?
[11:14] <zenrox> KING^^^, and also can you do java -version
[11:14] <universal> are there someone who can tell me how to install sensors in gdesklets??
[11:15] <Nermal> universal: gdesklets --help should tell you
[11:15] <KING^^^> i have made the the verify installation from java.com
[11:15] <tritium> BiteMeBill, look for /usr/sbin/synaptic
[11:15] <BiteMeBill> tritium:  " Package 'synaptic:' is not installed "
[11:15] <Nermal> and stop repeating the fscking question
[11:15] <universal> Nermal, ok, but u cant help?
[11:15] <KING^^^> and tried to open runescape.com
[11:15] <tritium> BiteMeBill, oh, you told me it was
[11:15] <Nermal> THAT WILL HELP YOU LAZY SOD
[11:15] <Nermal> fuck this
[11:15] <BiteMeBill> hmmm..  /etc/X11/sysconfig/synaptic.desktop
[11:15] <zenrox> KING^^^, didja add the java to mozilla-firefox
[11:15] <BiteMeBill> Says that it's there but it's not in /usr/sbin
[11:15] <zenrox> read right blow the java install
[11:16] <Xappe> universal, that's lm-sensors i believe. you can find a guide on the forums
[11:16] <BiteMeBill> tritium: from the begining I've said that it wasn't
[11:16] <tritium> universal, ignore that foul language.  Sorry he said that
[11:16] <universal> Xappe, hey Xappe...
[11:16] <tritium> BiteMeBill, you said dpkg -l found it
[11:16] <Xappe> ello universal
[11:16] <tritium> BiteMeBill, so, I guess you should reinstall it
[11:16] <movi> beagle tells me the session bus isnt running
[11:17] <movi> however dbus is running, the version it requires
[11:17] <BiteMeBill> tritium: it found /etc/X11/sysconfig/synaptic.desktop
[11:17] <UBUNTUNATOR> haha
[11:17] <BiteMeBill> tritium: wonder why it was uninstalled when upgraded to hoary?
[11:17] <tritium> BiteMeBill, what does apt-cache policy synaptic tell you?
[11:17] <universal> Xappe, i tried, but its just as im going to install a sensor i try to "sh - the file" but then the mouse are changing into a PLUS
[11:17] <KING^^^> ok it works thx
[11:17] <zenrox> lol
[11:18] <oris_wolfbane> .msg NickServ IDENTIFY wassup
[11:19] <tritium> BiteMeBill, it shouldn't have.  What packages were removed when you dist-upgraded?
[11:19] <woodwizzle> osit_wolfbane haha, we no your password =)
[11:19] <BiteMeBill> tritium: Installed (none) Canidate: 0.55+cvs20050311-1
[11:19] <KING^^^> i have installed lm-sensors but ... this is what i get
[11:19] <SowWn> hello ubuntu people
[11:19] <KING^^^> artur@ubuntu:~ $ sensors
[11:19] <KING^^^> No sensors found!
[11:19] <tritium> BiteMeBill, okay, it's definitely not installed.    Very strange....
[11:20] <oris_wolfbane> anyone know some cool games for linux?
[11:20] <zenrox> oris_wolfbane, nwn
[11:20] <movi> oris_wolfbane, frozen bubble
[11:20] <SowWn> My laptop hardrive died 5 minutes ago, so i put in my spare which happens to have ubuntu on it
[11:20] <SowWn> heh
[11:20] <zubunt> oris_wolfbane: scorched3d , bzflag
[11:20] <tritium> oris_wolfbane, supertux :)
[11:20] <haselden> "free the fish"
[11:20] <zenrox> lol
[11:20] <knigitz> i need to install the ati drivers on ubuntu, can anyone help? :)
[11:20] <tritium> oris_wolfbane, did you see that you should change your nickserv password?
[11:20] <KING^^^> there is doom 3 too for linux
[11:21] <zenrox> and all of the unreal titals too
[11:21] <KING^^^> yes
[11:21] <BiteMeBill> tritium: "The following packages cannot be authenticated! synaptic "  WTH is up with that?
[11:21] <zenrox> quake3 too
[11:21] <KING^^^> www.bi.torrent.com
[11:21] <tritium> BiteMeBill, did you get some errors when you apt-get updated?
[11:21] <KING^^^> something like that
[11:21] <oris_wolfbane> tritium, yeah doing it now
[11:21] <Xappe> universal, did you follow this guide? that worked for me... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2780
[11:21] <BiteMeBill> tritium: no none at all.  went very cleanly.
[11:21] <tritium> oris_wolfbane, okay
[11:21] <Gomez> Enemy Territory is out there too. I installed it tonight.
[11:22] <zenrox> and that one is free
[11:22] <BiteMeBill> tritium: that is why I am shocked with all this.
[11:22] <tritium> BiteMeBill, if you apt-get install -s synaptic, it'll simulate installing it.  Make sure it's coming from the right repo
[11:22] <BiteMeBill> ok
[11:22] <tritium> BiteMeBill, be right back
[11:23] <MaxeyPad> Are there any tools that come with ubuntu by default to handle usenet binary downloading?
[11:23] <SowWn> is there a way to switch from the stable repository to un?
[11:23] <Gomez> My first time on tonight .... So Hi the everyone and UBUNTU ROCKS!!!!
[11:23] <zenrox> MaxeyPad, pan
[11:23] <Jesterace> SowWn, yeah
[11:23] <Levander> MaxeyPad: you've tried thunderbird?
[11:23] <homer2> hmm anyone have any luck with running eggdrops?
[11:23] <Jesterace> change warty to hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:23] <SowWn> oh, hi Jesterace :)
[11:23] <Jesterace> :P
[11:24] <Jesterace> yeah just open up /etc/apt/sources.list and change warty to hoary and uncomment the uninverse
[11:24] <MaxeyPad> ok thanks
[11:24] <SowWn> funny, i asked you about this a few hours ago...
[11:24] <SowWn> hehe
[11:24] <Jesterace> yea you didn't get specfic :P
[11:24] <SowWn> i was just curious, now i actually NEED to know
[11:24] <SowWn> heh
[11:24] <Jesterace> dude http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:24] <Jesterace> check it out
[11:25] <Jesterace> all the answers you'll need
[11:25] <SowWn> kk
[11:25] <homer2> Jesterace, what's up with Ububtu and TCL?
[11:25] <Jesterace> TCL?
[11:25] <homer2> yeah
[11:25] <Jesterace> what's that?
[11:25] <homer2> scripting language.
[11:25] <homer2> ./eggdrop: error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.3.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:25] <homer2> however they were just installed
[11:25] <Jesterace> wierd
[11:25] <tizen> homer2: did you install the -dev ones too?
[11:25] <zenrox> homer2, sudo apt-get install tcl8.3
[11:25] <Jesterace> perhaps something else is missing
[11:26] <homer2> i installed by source
[11:26] <Jesterace> I'm running ubuntu as a workstation and slackware as a web server
[11:26] <zenrox> homer2, that way a mistake
[11:26] <tritium> BiteMeBill, I'm going to have to go.  Sorry.
[11:26] <speedy2782> Anyone in here familiar with making openoffice open faster?
[11:26] <BiteMeBill> tritium: No problme.
[11:26] <tritium> BiteMeBill, good luck.  Bye..
[11:26] <Lemonzest> hi
[11:26] <BiteMeBill> tritium: L8rs and thanks.
[11:27] <Lemonzest> is it possable to chage fan speed's in bunty?
[11:27] <Lemonzest> aka speedfan on windows
[11:27] <embeepee> Lemonzest: by writing into /proc/acpi/fan/***
[11:27] <embeepee> maybe
[11:27] <embeepee> depending on your hardware
[11:27] <embeepee> i do not know of a gui for it, but there may be one
[11:27] <Xappe> i'm a speedfan ;)
[11:28] <Lemonzest> the sensor chip is a ite8712f i think
[11:28] <Lemonzest> on a lanparty ut nf3
[11:28] <embeepee> well, have a look in there and see if you have anything
[11:30] <BiteMeBill> Anyone else end up having problems updating to hoary?
[11:30] <zenrox> BiteMeBill,  nope
[11:30] <Jesterace> BiteMeBill, my Hoary is running nice
[11:30] <zenrox> BiteMeBill, what are you updating from
[11:31] <xerox> Little question, does the live cd make possible to install it?
[11:31] <BiteMeBill> zenrox: Updated from Warty today./
[11:31] <zenrox> hmm
[11:31] <zenrox> odd
[11:31] <mjr> BiteMeBill, had to do one extra cycle of apt-get -f install ; apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:31] <zenrox> BiteMeBill, you shouldent have any probs
[11:31] <mjr> otherwise went fine (but the new kernel has problems with my &%/&%/ DVB firmware)
[11:31] <BiteMeBill> mjr: Yes.
[11:32] <BiteMeBill> zenrox: I guess someone above just thought I was bored or something.  LOL
[11:32] <speedy2782> So I prelinked my linux, and now openoffice is still slow to open...like 2 minutes plus slow.
[11:32] <universal> Xappe, hmm, i saw the link u gave me, but didn't u just RUN the sensor.bin from the downloaded gdesklets Display?
[11:33] <speedy2782> can I change the kb read
[11:33] <universal> Xappe, when i say RUN i mean sh.........
[11:36] <speedy2782> would uninstalling openoffice and reinstalling it make it better?
[11:37] <oris_wolfban1> :-D
[11:38] <_d4vid> hi all
[11:38] <Anubis> someone use  my name?
[11:38] <oris_wolfbane> hey
[11:40] <Xappe> universal, no. I downloaded and installed gdesklets from the repos (running Hoary)
[11:42] <universal> Xappe, ok thx, i found out how to... I just changed the sensor-file to .sh, and then i was installed, do u have the TV-Channel display running?
[11:42] <Xappe> universal, nope
[11:46] <Xappe> universal, so you installed yourself as a desklet...that's cool
[11:52] <koen_> is the any p2p filesharing program that i can apt-get ?
[11:53] <Nafallo> it is right to assume up-to-date hoary has a utf8-capable terminal-font?
[11:53] <Nafallo> koen_: several :-)
[11:53] <koen_> how about dc++
[11:53] <koen_> dc seems to be something else that dc++
[11:54] <koen_> nafallo, do you know a nice one ?
[11:54] <Nafallo> koen_: ubuntuguide.org has some if I remember correctly.
[11:54] <speedy2782> does anyone know anything about ipods
[11:54] <jazzka> which is the easyest way to convert .ogg to .mp3 in ubuntu?
[11:54] <koen_> thanks
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> yes, apple make them
[11:54] <Nafallo> speedy2782: they are made by apple
[11:54] <speedy2782> I want to get a program that allows me to sync backwards
[11:54] <speedy2782> we got a bunch of smart asses
[11:54] <Nafallo> HrdwrBoB: hehe, you won ;-)
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> speedy2782: gtkpod
[11:54] <speedy2782> :-[
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> gtkpod is good
[11:55] <speedy2782> will gtkpod bring songs from ipod to my computer?
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> jazzka: you'll have to write the file to a wav and then encode it
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> Sparhawk_: yes
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> oh.. he left
[11:56] <jazzka> HrdwrBoB, really? ;((
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> jazzka: hangon a tic
[11:57] <shmoolik> hello
[11:58] <shmoolik> i have just installed ubuntu hoary 5.04 preview .... and i wanted to ask if there is any easy way to mount my HDDz
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> yep that will do it
[11:58] <Nafallo> and a for-script around it :-)
[11:58] <pepsi> how do i get slocate to find a new file?
[11:58] <pepsi> i have to update its database somehow, right?
[11:59] <koen_> hmm now i need a emule server
[11:59] <koen_> i guess :)
[11:59] <koen_> nevermind
[11:59] <haselden> updatedb
[11:59] <ntoll> hi, I've just installed Zope on ubuntu but can't log in - YES! I have made sure the username and password are correct
[11:59] <haselden> ?


[01:07] <Keybuk> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20070328]
[01:07] <Keybuk> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20070328
[01:07] <Keybuk> even
[01:08] <Keybuk> nice to see humour being made of a major setback to software development
[01:11] <sadleder> Keybuk: there was an email on upstart-devel "full upstart in feisty?" which i cannot find in the archive
[01:15] <Keybuk> sadleder: archiver probably having a bad day
[01:16] <Keybuk> (reported to SA)
[01:16] <sadleder> Keybuk: just wondered
[01:40] <Keybuk> I still don't see what this licence offers the ordinary developer that the GPL-2 doesn't
[02:16] <cwillu> question:  I'm running upstart on feisty, with some instance jobs set to respawn.  how do I find out what the original args were to the instance?  it seems like I don't receive them on respawn
[02:20] <Keybuk> bug, please file
[02:22] <cwillu> well, first, I need to write a workaround I guess, I doubt I'll see a bug fix in the next 8 hours :)
[02:22] <cwillu> brb
[10:02] <Keybuk> Subject: 	Your Amazon.co.uk order has dispatched
[10:02] <Keybuk> oh dear
[10:02] <Keybuk> there goes all my productivity for at least a week!
[10:03] <sadleder> Keybuk: what did you order?
[10:03] <Keybuk> Command & Conquer 3
[10:03] <AlexExtreme> my productivity has gone down since I got this new TV tuner :p