[00:49] <vlouvet> I have a 'headless' ubuntu 18.10 server in my homelab that I am trying to install kvm+qemu on
[00:50] <vlouvet> Is it possible to install, for example, centOS server, ubuntu server 18.04, etc. on this host?
[00:52] <Sven_vB> vlouvet, should be, but qemu probably is one of the rather slow approaches.
[00:53] <vlouvet> I'm just starting on the whole virtualization journey under Linux... what are the other options to use Linux as a 'headless' vm host?
[00:54] <Sven_vB> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Virtualisation
[00:55] <Sven_vB> depending on your use case, a container like docker might be enough
[00:56] <vlouvet> Sven_vB: of the open source options which would *you* recommend for speed?
[00:57] <Sven_vB> docker.
[00:57] <vlouvet> understood, thanks!
[00:58] <Sven_vB> you're welcome. :)
[01:06] <Goop> How long should it take to install Mycroft on Ubuntu LTS 16.
[01:06] <Goop> 16.04, sorry. Did not finish that.
[01:07] <OerHeks> sudo snap install mycroft i think https://snapcraft.io/mycroft
[01:09] <pragmaticenigma> OerHeks: I don't think they were looking on where to install from... as "install duration"
[01:10] <OerHeks> oh, i was including the search for the package
[01:10] <pragmaticenigma> Goop: Can you be more specific about what or why you are asking?
[01:10] <OerHeks> well, depends on networkspeed, and relativity of time
[01:12] <Goop> So I have never installed Mycroft before, and it is taking unusually long for a piece of software that the CEO advertises can run everywhere.
[01:13] <Goop> I'm struggling with installing Mycroft.
[01:41] <nacc> Goop: how are you installing it?
[02:03] <qwebirc7745> How does this work?
[02:04] <qwebirc7745> do I just ask questions?
[02:06] <Bashing-om> qwebirc7745: Ask a ubuntu support question
[02:09] <qwebirc7745> I just upgraded to 18.04 and I'm trying to install hugin from ppa:hugin/hugin-builds. During installation, the system reports that: E: Unable to locate package panini
[02:12] <Bashing-om> qwebirc7745: That then is an issue to take up with the PPA aintainer . We have no control over a PPA
[02:13] <Bashing-om> maintainer*
[02:13] <Bashing-om> !ppa | qwebirc7745
[02:14] <OerHeks> no cosmic packages https://launchpad.net/~hugin/+archive/ubuntu/hugin-builds
[02:14] <rfm> qwebirc7745, and looking at https://launchpad.net/~hugin/+archive/ubuntu/hugin-builds i don't see 'bionic' (18.04) listed as one of the published packages... definitely need to check with the PPA maintainer.
[02:15] <OerHeks> none of his ppa's are updated https://launchpad.net/~hugin
[02:16] <vlouvet> virt-install seems to have no install candidate on my ubuntu 18.10 server.. any ideas why?
[02:17] <Ben65> Hey, I'm trying to set up the most basic ftp server in the world. I need to allow uploads to one directory, that's it. what is the easiest way to accomplish this
[02:18] <OerHeks> !info virtinst 18.10
[02:18] <OerHeks> !info virtinst cosmic
[02:18] <Ben65> vsftpd has given me nothing but problems, so I purged it. I know there are basic http servers, i need something like that for ftp
[02:18] <pragmatic_enigma> Ben65: FTP is not recommended as the protocol is insecure... you should consider SFTP which is already avaialble if you have openSSH installed (meaning you can SSH to the remote system)
[02:19] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/libvirt.html.en#libvirt-virt-install
[02:19] <Ben65> pragmatic_enigma: trust me dude i know
[02:19] <Ben65> pragmatic_enigma: but these cameras don't have an option for anything but ftp, so i don't have an option
[02:20] <pragmatic_enigma> Ben65: The #ubuntu-server channel may have better support in helping getting vsftp or another suggestion up and running
[02:20] <Ben65> That channel is usually dead
[02:21] <Sterist> I'm on the latest LTS and the volume buttons on the keyboard have "mysteriously" stopped working -- they did used to work, the brightness keys still work, and there is no proprietary drivers in use (or available), anyone have an idea what's going on?
[02:22] <qwebirc7745> thanks Bashing-om I tried to contact the PPA maintainer through Launchpad but Canonical currently has problems with their Ubuntu One account system which prevents me from logging in to Launchpad and signaling the problem.
[02:22] <vlouvet> OerHeks: I found that my ubuntu install didn't have 'Universe' in the apt sources
[02:23] <vlouvet> I want a 'headless' virtualmachine host... installing virtinst package appears to pull in x11 and a bunch of other things....
[02:23] <Bashing-om> qwebirc7745: They be working on it at this time . try again later .
[02:23] <joeb3_> Sterist, settings - sound.  Make sure the right output device is selected.
[02:24] <OerHeks> sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu $(lsb_release -sc) universe"
[02:25] <qwebirc7745> Bashing-om: thanks, it's been a few days actually...
[02:25] <Sterist> there is only "Speakers" and "Headphones (Unplugged)" and yes, speakers is selected
[02:25] <OerHeks> or sudo add-apt-repository universe, as of 12.04
[02:26] <vlouvet> oh, I installed the source, and went ahead with the install of virtinst
[02:26] <qwebirc7745> Did anybody find a solution to the display scaling problem in 18.04, currently limited to 200% etc, instead of the fractional options in 16.04
[02:27] <vlouvet> but WTF, why do I need to install iconthemes just to run a vm hypervisor cli? seems overkill
[02:27] <vlouvet> !paste
[02:28] <vlouvet> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SckJmXfXzF/
[02:30] <pragmatic_enigma> !info virtinst
[02:31] <pragmatic_enigma> vlouvet: If I had to guess, the intention of the package is to be installed in a GUI environment. You might have to find out how to install it with a CLI only environment
[02:33] <vlouvet> hrmm... well I couldn't find another 'CLI only' method to create KVM images in Ubuntu (virtinst) was referred to in the official documentation ... so I just went with that
[02:33] <vlouvet> thanks for the advise, it was very helpful!
[02:34] <pragmatic_enigma> vlouvet: virtinst lists virt-manager which is GUI... I'm not sure if there is a way to get only the virt-install that you might be seeking
[02:36] <pragmatic_enigma> vlouvet: honestly, you may need to consider a different toolkit to achieve your goal. everything about virtinst appears to be geared towards a GUI environmnet for managing virtual machines
[03:03] <pi0> i tried installing ubuntu on my laptop
[03:03] <pi0> but its in a constant loop
[03:03] <dingir_> hi
[03:03] <pi0> does 18.10 use uefi?
[03:03] <dingir_> how to see via ssh what commands are run at boot/login ?
[03:04] <dingir_> i have a script for noip2 hostname update, cant find it...
[03:04] <dingir_> where to look for it?
[03:08] <fassl> not sure but i think you can choose?
[03:11] <fassl> if its systemd look into /etc/systemd/ and or /var/lib/systemd i think
[03:13] <OerHeks> yes, uefi is possible
[03:13] <OerHeks> !uefi
[03:13] <lordcirth> pi0, what do you mean by a loop?
[03:15] <pi0> i downloaded 18.10, created a usb disk, during the install i requested to have all partitions removed (for fresh install) and selected encrrpyt the new ubuntu installation for security
[03:15] <pi0> use lvm with the new ubuntu installation was automatically selected
[03:15] <pi0> everything during the install went fine
[03:15] <pi0> now i cannot boot into the OS and its an endless loop
[03:17] <dingir_> how can i see what commands are run at startup?
[03:17] <lordcirth> pi0, so when you boot the computer, how far does it get before rebooting?
[03:17] <dingir_> i added a program via the gui to start a program
[03:17] <dingir_> i want to see what that command was...
[03:18] <pi0> from start up, it appears to be 3 lines of something are displayed for what seems to be 1 tenth of a second
[03:18] <pi0> not enough time to read the message
[03:18] <lordcirth> dingir_, go back to where you set it and look?
[03:18] <lordcirth> Or did you add a program from a list, rather than specifying a command?
[03:18] <dingir_> im not home ;[
[03:19] <dingir_> nah probably added it manually via the gui
[03:19] <dingir_> been a long time... only can ssh the box atm
[03:19] <lordcirth> Ah I see
[03:19] <dingir_> dont know if i can see what commands were added to the boot commands
[03:20] <pi0> lordcirth: is there an issue with install home encryption by default?
[03:21] <fassl> grep /etc for the executable name
[03:21] <lordcirth> pi0, home encryption or full disk encryption?  Still, there shouldn't be a problem with either, no.
[03:21] <dingir_> its noip2
[03:21] <pi0> can it performed after the default install?
[03:21] <lordcirth> pi0, perhaps you could try recording a video of the screen and freezeframing it?
[03:21] <lordcirth> pi0, anything can be done, but it'd be far easier to reinstall
[03:22] <th_> any way to check apts background downloading status?
[03:22] <pi0> via laptop it would be a little hard
[03:22] <lordcirth> th_, tail -f /var/log/apt/*.log
[03:22] <pi0> going to try something, installing it again this time w/o encrpytion
[03:22] <lordcirth> pi0, worth a try
[03:23] <pi0> its an older laptop but has enough juice to make the installs like than a few minutes
[03:23] <pi0> like = less
[03:24] <th_> lordcirth: ya thats showing logs from a week ago, i usually use apt-get but today i did regular apt command and now its downloading bunch of stuff in the background and i cant run any more apt commands until that finishes
[03:24] <pi0> but lordcirth i did have a question regarding 2FA
[03:24] <pi0> i have a yubico key that i wanted to use
[03:25] <pi0> so it will not log into the system if key is not present
[03:25] <pi0> does that seem possible?
[03:25] <pi0> which browsers do you use firefox or chromium?
[03:26] <lordcirth> pi0, for physical access or ssh?
[03:26] <pi0> physical access
[03:26] <lordcirth> certainly possible, however, if you are going to that extent, you ought to be using full disk encryption, and you could instead put the bootloader, /boot, and a keyfile on a USB.
[03:26] <th_> lordcirth: well it just finished background downloading, its just annoying not knowing whats going on with apt
[03:27] <lordcirth> th_, well, now you can install nethogs, which will let you at least see how fast its downloading.  Handy tool in general.
[03:27] <pi0> hmm still endless loop
[03:28] <th_> "apt update" seemed to trigger the background updates, "apt-get update" does not
[03:28] <lordcirth> pi0, you could try changing the EFI settings to boot in Legacy mode, and installing that way?
[03:28] <pi0> let me do that
[03:28] <pi0> one sec
[03:30] <pi0> and i will try encryption
[03:49] <surgy> hello
[03:49] <surgy> im trying to install the package colmap
[03:50] <surgy> when i open the application "software" it is in the list but does not respond to me clicking " install". when i apt-cache search colmap there is nothing
[03:50] <surgy> if someone could help it would be greatly appreciated
[03:51] <surgy> when i open the application "software" it is in the list but does not respond to me clicking " install". when i apt-cache search colmap there is nothing
[03:57] <pi0> lordcirth: legacy was the trick!
[03:57] <pi0> nice
[03:57] <pi0> and encryption worked too
[04:00] <lordcirth> pi0, great
[04:00] <lordcirth> pi0, are you interested in requiring a key on a USB to boot?
[04:01] <pi0> yes yubico
[04:03] <lordcirth> pi0, looks like it's possible: https://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu-two-factor-authentication-with-yubikey-for-harddisk-encryption-with-luks
[04:03] <lordcirth> However, a split boot on a normal USB does have the advantage of making an evil maid attack a bit harder.
[04:09] <Bashing-om> !info colmap bionic
[04:09] <pi0> let me take a look
[04:09] <pi0> evil maid attack?
[04:10] <Bashing-om> surgy: ^^ in the universe repository. Do you have that repo enabled ?
[04:10] <pi0> do you have a link for a POC?
[04:10] <gambl0r3> does kde plasma support fractional scanning?
[04:11] <surgy> when i open the application "software" it is in the list but does not respond to me clicking " install". when i apt-cache search colmap there is nothing
[04:11] <lordcirth> pi0, evil maid is when they get physical access, replace the unencrypted kernel with one that logs your password, and come back later.  Or similar.
[04:11] <surgy> im trying to install the package colmap
[04:11] <surgy> when i open the application "software" it is in the list but does not respond to me clicking " install". when i apt-cache search colmap there is nothing
[04:11] <lordcirth> surgy, 18.04?
[04:12] <Bashing-om> surgy: And I say again " Do you have the universe repo enabled ?" .
[04:12] <surgy> lordcirth: i think so how do i check?
[04:12] <surgy> Bashing-om: yes
[04:12] <lordcirth> surgy, cat /etc/lsb-release
[04:13] <surgy> 16.04
[04:13] <lordcirth> !info colmap xenial
[04:13] <surgy> LTS
[04:14] <surgy> lordcirth: so i need to upgrade my distro?
[04:14] <lordcirth> Probably the best way.  You'd want to at some point anyway
[04:15] <surgy> lordcirth: is that sudo apt-get distupgrade ?
[04:15] <lordcirth> surgy, no, that will upgrade you to 16.04.5, but you'll want to do that first
[04:15] <lordcirth> !upgrade
[04:16] <surgy> lordcirth: what is the codename for 18.04 ?
[04:16] <lordcirth> bionic
[04:18] <yu99ie> bionic beaver
[04:18] <yu99ie> 18.10 is cosmic cuddlefish correct?
[04:19] <Bashing-om> yu99ie: Correct 18.10 == cosmic .
[05:43] <Tecan> if i wanted to update the arduino package for ubuntu 18.04 how hard would it be ?
[05:43] <Tecan> 1.0.5 is very old
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> !latest | Tecan
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> Tecan: see also !backports and there is an arduino snap also
[05:55] <Kaidok5797> If anyone remembers me from last night... I have good news and bad news... good news is the install completed and I can still boot into windows just fine. The bad news is Ubuntu has installed but I have no way to boot in to it because I did the boot loader part wrong...
[05:57] <Kaidok5797> So now I’m kinda at a loss
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> !recovergrub| Kaidok5797
[05:58] <Kaidok5797> Ooooo perfect! Thank you ubottu! You guys are awesome in here
[06:03] <destinydriven> Hey guys I'm not sure what I did but I ended up having php cli version on 7.3 whereas most other modules are on 7.2.12 and now some of my php related cron jobs stopped working
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> destinydriven: wich ubuntu version are you on?
[06:05] <destinydriven> 16.04
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> destinydriven: you have errors on apt?
[06:06] <destinydriven> I don't
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> destinydriven: and wich way did you install other versions?
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> ppa?
[06:06] <destinydriven> Everything via apt
[06:06] <destinydriven> Yes ppa
[06:07] <destinydriven> let me get the exact ppa
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> destinydriven: we reccomend to ppapurge external ppa's back to vanilla first, to make your system clean again
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | destinydriven
[06:07] <destinydriven> lotuspsychje, ok I will try this
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> destinydriven: once your external ppa's are cleared, your system should become normal again with the correct package versions
[06:08] <destinydriven> Ok great
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> destinydriven: after the ppapurge, sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[06:09] <Kaidok5797> So this is literally reinstalled Ubuntu all over again..
[06:09] <destinydriven> lotuspsychje, noted
[06:11] <Kaidok5797> Or at least its reinstalling the base system again... We will see if it makes me reinstall the whole thing
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> !dualboot | Kaidok5797 start here
[06:18] <Kaidok5797> ok so back to the installing grub part Ubottu I’m on a screen where it shows all my installed operating systems... it lists windows vista (I’m using windows 10 so I dunno where that came from) three times.  It says if that list is correct its ok to install the boot loader to the master boot record of my first har
[06:18] <Kaidok5797> d drive.......
[06:19] <Kaidok5797> so should I go ahead and installed the grub boot loader to the master boot record even though it says windows vista and I’m really using windows 10?
[06:22] <Kaidok5797> Hmmm that page doesn’t really answer my question though
[06:22] <Obscenity> yes
[06:22] <Kaidok5797> oh well I’m gonna say yes to this question and see what happens
[06:23] <Obscenity> you can rename the menus anyways
[06:23] <Kaidok5797> ok ok good lol because thats what I did
[06:23] <Kaidok5797> Ok gotcha
[06:23] <destinydriven> lotuspsychje, what about doing something like sudo update-alternatives --set php /usr/bin/php7.2   I tested that in a virtual machine and it seems to have fixed the issue for me
[06:24] <Kaidok5797> Beautiful! Boot loader came up and let me choose to boot into Ubuntu... now to see if it actually DOES
[06:25] <Kaidok5797> Hmmm It appears to not be working. I have just a black scree.
[06:25] <Kaidok5797> Actually the monitor appears to have turned off
[06:27] <Kaidok5797> Should I be seeing some signs of life at this point or is this normal upon first boot?
[06:28] <Kaidok5797> Well I think she’s dead Jim.
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> destinydriven: if apt doesnt complain, your good to go
[06:30] <destinydriven> Ok great. I will still try using pap-purge (I'm just having trouble specifying the correct ppa)
[06:30] <destinydriven> ppa*
[06:30] <Kaidok5797> This....is not good
[06:31] <destinydriven> lotuspsychje, I tried this:   sudo ppa-purge ppa:ondrej-ubuntu-php-xenial/php7.3
[06:31] <destinydriven> Could not find package list for PPA: ondrej-ubuntu-php-xenial php7.3
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> destinydriven: check your sources.list to see whats all in the list
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> !sources | destinydriven
[06:32] <Kaidok5797> So I can get to a grub command line
[06:34] <destinydriven> lotuspsychje, It's not in sources.list.   It's in a file called ondrej-ubuntu-php-xenial.list in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> destinydriven: you need to find the right ppa format again you added in the first place
[06:36] <destinydriven> lotuspsychje, yeah that's the problem. What I mentioned above is the only one I see
[06:36] <destinydriven> Can I just comment out the contents of this file ?
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> destinydriven: this one? https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php
[06:37] <destinydriven> yes
[06:37] <destinydriven> Ahh do I don't need to specify the php version
[06:37] <Kaidok5797> Yea I am at a loss from here
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> Kaidok5797: the more info you provude to channel, the better volunteers can help you
[06:39] <destinydriven> But I only wanted to get rid of php7.3
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> Kaidok5797: how did you install dualboot? how did you partition? wich ubuntu version? uefi settings right?
[06:40] <Kaidok5797> ok... I’m working on gathering info..
[06:40] <Kaidok5797> So when it tries to boot into Ubuntu.... I get a black screen
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> destinydriven: sorry mate, we cant support external ppa's here i can only reccomend the official way= purge ppa's and all its related packages
[06:40] <Kaidok5797> Computer is still turned ON but the screen is blank as if the monitor is turned off (no backlight)
[06:41] <Kaidok5797> I was able to use the CD to boot into a grub command line but since I don’t know any of this yet that was un-useful to me
[06:41] <Kaidok5797> Now I’m back into go through the install process with detecting keyboard layout
[06:42] <Kaidok5797> Yea... so now it appears to be trying to install again... even though i never told it to do that.
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> Kaidok5797: please dont post every step you doing here, try to focus on the actual problems you cant bypass
[06:43] <Kaidok5797> I mean.. thats what I started with when you told me to post more info
[06:43] <Kaidok5797> It won’t boot. Black screen
[06:43] <destinydriven> lotuspsychje, thanks, understood.  Does it equate to the same thing if I just try to use sudo apt remove php7.3-cli php7.3-common php7.3-readline etc?
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> destinydriven: im not sure wich php versions are all on thet ppa, but i would reccomend the whole ppa purge
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> destinydriven: once your system is clear to vanilla, you can work your way to official packages again
[06:47] <destinydriven> lotuspsychje, ok thanks again for all the help
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> destinydriven: no problem, hope it helps and feel free to hare your next steps
[06:47] <destinydriven> I'm just making note of all the php modules I already had installed
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> Kaidok5797: did you carefull read that !dualboot tutorial?
[06:49] <Kaidok5797> Yes. Thats actually what I went through last night to get to this point
[06:52] <Kaidok5797> I just don’t think this is going to work with my machine.
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> Kaidok5797: make your life easy and install ubuntu singleboot?
[06:56] <Kaidok5797> I wish that were a viable option
[06:57] <Kaidok5797> I guess ubuntu just isn’t going to work for me.
[06:57] <Kaidok5797> To much weirdness with my system
[06:58] <Kaidok5797> I think had I been able to set that partition as primary and not logical so I could set the flag to bootable it would have worked.
[06:58] <elias_a> Kaidok5797: What does your pc do when you try to boot it to Ubuntu?
[06:58] <Kaidok5797> Black screen like the monitor turns off. Computer is still on though just no backlight at all.
[06:59] <elias_a> Kaidok5797: Any HDD activity seen on the HDD LED?
[06:59] <Kaidok5797> None
[06:59] <elias_a> What is the hardware like?
[07:00] <Kaidok5797> Its a mess lol. Its old hardware. An old HP all in one machine.
[07:00] <Kaidok5797> windows 10 (came with windows 7) AMD chipset
[07:00] <Kaidok5797> 2ghz processor.
[07:00] <ledeni> Kaidok5797: video card?
[07:01] <elias_a> Are you sure the CPU should be able to boot with current kernel(s)?
[07:01] <Kaidok5797> No, I’m not sure lol
[07:02] <Kaidok5797> booting back into windows.. then I’ll get you what kind of video card it has
[07:02] <elias_a> Kaidok5797: Can you set it to boot from USB? Make a bootable USB live stick and test with it?
[07:03] <Kaidok5797> I’m using a CD... and I tried that. I was able to get to the grub command line but I know nothing about Linux command lines yet because this is all new to me.
[07:03] <Kaidok5797> Ok graphics card is AMD Radeon HD 6320
[07:07] <Kaidok5797> Interesting... I was reading a thing about getting the black screen and the first step was when you get to the black screen to hit Ctrl +Alt +F1
[07:08] <Kaidok5797> When I did that it now says (text. Only) Untuntu 16.04 LTS ubuntu tty1 and it asks for login
[07:08] <Kaidok5797> I tried the user account I made during set up but it won’t take it
[07:11] <Kaidok5797> EriC^^ !!!!!
[07:11] <EriC^^> hello Kaidok5797
[07:11] <Kaidok5797> So I’m having issues lol. But since you know where I came from in this, maybe you can help?
[07:11] <EriC^^> what issues?
[07:12] <Kaidok5797> Well when I try to boot into ubuntu, i get a black screen...
[07:12] <Kaidok5797> But remember I was unable to set the boot flag to on
[07:12] <EriC^^> are you getting the grub screen?
[07:12] <Kaidok5797> I believe so
[07:13] <EriC^^> try adding nomodeset to the ubuntu entry
[07:13] <EriC^^> do you know how?
[07:13] <Kaidok5797> No idea
[07:13] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: press "e" over ubuntu > go to the line that says linux /boot/vmlinuz .....quiet splash
[07:13] <EriC^^> and remove quiet splash and replace it with nomodeset then press F10
[07:14] <Kaidok5797> Ok lets give this a try
[07:15] <Kaidok5797> ok done. So now I still get a black screen, but at least the backlight is on
[07:16] <EriC^^> try pressing ctrl+alt+f2
[07:16] <Kaidok5797> ubuntu tty2
[07:16] <Kaidok5797> Asks for login
[07:16] <Kaidok5797> The account i created upon installation does not work however
[07:19] <sam_wong> I just want to know if installation of additional desktop (e.g.KDE) will make the system unstable?
[07:20] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: are you sure caps-lock isn't on etc?
[07:21] <sam_wong> the message I posted dimmed compared with other. Am I connected?
[07:21] <Kaidok5797> Yes, just double checked
[07:21] <EriC^^> sam_wong: yeah, we can see your messages
[07:22] <sam_wong> thanks
[07:22] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: ok, go to advanced in grub then recovery
[07:22] <Kaidok5797> Ok
[07:22] <EriC^^> sam_wong: to answer your question, i dont think it would become unstable, but sometimes messages like the notification system and stuff can get 'mix-and-matchy'
[07:23] <EriC^^> and possibly other stuff, like kde style notifications on your other DE appearing etc
[07:23] <Kaidok5797> Eric^ I can press enter for maintenance or control D. To continue. It also says ERROR* No UMS support in Radeon module!
[07:24] <sam_wong> will it crash the kernel in the most severe case?
[07:24] <EriC^^> sam_wong: i dont think so
[07:24] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: press enter for maintenance
[07:25] <Kaidok5797> Ok I get a root@ubuntu:~# command line
[07:25] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: type "mount -o remount,rw /"
[07:26] <Kaidok5797> Ok
[07:26] <Kaidok5797> Still at the command line
[07:26] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: type "passwd <your username>"
[07:27] <Kaidok5797> User <myusername> does not exist
[07:27] <EriC^^> hmm
[07:27] <EriC^^> type "ls /home" do you see anything?
[07:27] <Kaidok5797> Bash: is : command not found
[07:27] <EriC^^> it's an L
[07:27] <Kaidok5797> Ohh
[07:28] <Kaidok5797> Yes
[07:28] <Kaidok5797> In blue letters my username appears
[07:28] <EriC^^> hmm ok
[07:28] <EriC^^> what about "grep 1000 /etc/passwd"
[07:29] <Kaidok5797> Just gives me another command line
[07:29] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: type "cat /etc/passwd" what's the last line, do you see your username?
[07:30] <Kaidok5797> No
[07:30] <EriC^^> any 1000+ entries?
[07:30] <Kaidok5797> Doesn’t appear so
[07:31] <EriC^^> ok, type "adduser <some username>"
[07:31] <Kaidok5797> Last line is _apt:x:105:65534::/nonexistent:/bin/false
[07:31] <Kaidok5797> Ok
[07:31] <Kaidok5797> Ok prompting for. New password... entering
[07:32] <Kaidok5797> It DOES say though, before I continue “the home directory “/home/<myusername> already exists
[07:32] <EriC^^> np
[07:33] <Kaidok5797> Password updated successfully  Changing the user info for <myusername> enter new value or press enter for default
[07:33] <EriC^^> put the name you want, leave the rest blank
[07:33] <Kaidok5797> Ok back to root@unbuntu command line
[07:34] <EriC^^> ok, type "ubuntu-drivers devices"
[07:34] <Kaidok5797> Bash: ubuntu-drivers: command not found
[07:35] <EriC^^> ok, type "reboot"
[07:35] <EriC^^> then do the same nomodeset edit and try to login to tty2
[07:35] <Kaidok5797> Ok
[07:37] <Kaidok5797> Ok I logged in now
[07:37] <Kaidok5797> At a command line with my user name
[07:37] <EriC^^> ok
[07:38] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: do you have internet on it?
[07:38] <EriC^^> try "ping -c1 google.com"
[07:39] <andrewrs> Hey, I have a gigabyte brix pro gb-bxi7-4770r with a RTL8821AE wifi card. Running 18.10.  What should I try next?
[07:39] <Kaidok5797> Yes I to
[07:39] <Kaidok5797> Do
[07:39] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: type "lshw -c video | nc termbin.com 9999"
[07:39] <Kaidok5797> No packet loss
[07:40] <Kaidok5797> Bash: lshw: command not found
[07:41] <Kaidok5797> Is that an L or an I
[07:44] <EriC^^> an l
[07:44] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: an L
[07:44] <Kaidok5797> Ok I used an L
[07:44] <Kaidok5797> Command not found
[07:44] <EriC^^> you seem to be missing a lot of packages for some reason
[07:45] <Kaidok5797> Remember I used the mini.iso install
[07:45] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: hmm
[07:46] <Kaidok5797> Can’t I install needed packages from the command line?
[07:47] <Kaidok5797> Like the sudo apt get whatever thingy? Lol
[07:47] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: ok, try pressing ctrl+alt+f7 or f1 to see if you get any gdm login screen, if you dont, then go back to the tty2 and press ctrl+alt+del to reboot and go into recovery mode, we forgot to give the user sudo privileges
[07:47] <Kaidok5797> Ahhh
[07:48] <Kaidok5797> Ok ctrl alt f7 displayed a list of stuff..  with the word OK next tot hem
[07:48] <EriC^^> ok, that's the boot log i guess
[07:49] <Kaidok5797> To them. Now its just sitting there no command prompt
[07:49] <Kaidok5797> Try F1 instead?
[07:49] <EriC^^> yeah
[07:49] <Kaidok5797> Ok back to the tty2 login screen
[07:49] <Kaidok5797> Going to go into recovery mode
[07:50] <Kaidok5797> Ok back in recovery mode
[07:50] <EriC^^> type "mount -o remount,rw /"
[07:51] <Kaidok5797> Still displaying the no UMS support error too btw
[07:51] <EriC^^> that's np
[07:51] <Kaidok5797> Ok cool
[07:51] <Kaidok5797> Ok new command line
[07:52] <EriC^^> type 'adduser <your username> sudo'
[07:52] <Kaidok5797> Done
[07:53] <EriC^^> reboot and as before
[07:53] <Kaidok5797> Change the nomodeset thing again?
[07:53] <EriC^^> yeah
[07:55] <Kaidok5797> What was the key combo after changing to nomodeset? I lost my history
[07:55] <EriC^^> f10
[07:55] <Kaidok5797> Right I mean after F10
[07:55] <Kaidok5797> I get black screen
[07:55] <EriC^^> ctrl+alt+f2
[07:55] <Kaidok5797> Thats it... thanks. Sorry about that
[07:56] <Kaidok5797> Ok I’m logged in now
[07:57] <EriC^^> ok, type sudo apt-get install lshw pciutils usbutils
[07:58] <Kaidok5797> Ok its done and set up it says
[07:58] <EriC^^> try 'lshw -c video | nc termbin.com 9999'
[07:59] <Kaidok5797> Warning: You should run this program as a super-suer
[07:59] <EriC^^> np
[07:59] <Kaidok5797> Warning output may be incomplete or inaccurate, you should run this program as a super user http:termbin.com/d1wt
[07:59] <Kaidok5797> And thats it, back to command line
[07:59] <Kaidok5797> No prompt to go ahead
[08:00] <Kaidok5797> Just a command line
[08:00] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: type sudo apt-get install ubuntu-drivers-common
[08:01] <Kaidok5797> Ok its downloading and installing..
[08:01] <Kaidok5797> Done
[08:01] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: type sudo ubuntu-drivers devices | nc termbin.com 9999
[08:02] <andrewrs> Can anyone help me with a realtek wifi issue?
[08:02] <Kaidok5797> Doing its thing... in the background I suppose, no output yet.
[08:02] <EriC^^> alright
[08:02] <Kaidok5797> Ok command line again
[08:02] <EriC^^> any link?
[08:02] <Kaidok5797> No
[08:02] <Kaidok5797> No output
[08:02] <EriC^^> odd
[08:02] <EriC^^> try sudo ubuntu-drivers devices
[08:03] <EriC^^> does it list any recommended drivers
[08:03] <Kaidok5797> Working in the background again
[08:03] <Kaidok5797> And command line, no output
[08:03] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: ok, try 'dpkg -l | grep amdgpu | nc termbin.com 9999'
[08:04] <Kaidok5797> Ok how do I type that character after the first -?
[08:04] <EriC^^> it's a small L
[08:04] <Kaidok5797> Ohhh gotcha
[08:04] <EriC^^> oh you mean the | pipe
[08:05] <Kaidok5797> No no I have that
[08:05] <Kaidok5797> I was talking about the L lol
[08:06] <EriC^^> :D
[08:06] <Kaidok5797> Typing that in just takes me to a new command line, no output
[08:06] <EriC^^> odd
[08:07] <EriC^^> is xterm installed? try 'dpkg -l xterm'
[08:07] <Kaidok5797> That seems to be par for the course on my machine lol
[08:07] <EriC^^> does it say "ii" at the start?
[08:07] <Kaidok5797> No
[08:07] <EriC^^> yeah at least it's consistent :D
[08:07] <Kaidok5797> LOL!
[08:07] <EriC^^> ok, type 'sudo apt-get install xterm'
[08:09] <Kaidok5797> Ok done installed
[08:09] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: ok, try "DISPLAY=:1 startx xterm"
[08:09] <EriC^^> that's a one after the :
[08:09] <Kaidok5797> Ok
[08:09] <Kaidok5797> Startx command not found
[08:10] <EriC^^> oh for heaven's sake :D
[08:10] <Kaidok5797> Rofl
[08:10] <Greysztar> :D
[08:10] <EriC^^> which DE did you install during the mini iso install?
[08:10] <Kaidok5797> DE?
[08:10] <Kaidok5797> which distro?
[08:10] <Kaidok5797> 16.01
[08:10] <EriC^^> yeah like gnome ubuntu lxde etc
[08:10] <EriC^^> the desktop environment
[08:10] <Kaidok5797> Oh
[08:11] <Kaidok5797> Gnome
[08:11] <EriC^^> ok, try sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[08:12] <Kaidok5797> Unable to locate package ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[08:12] <EriC^^> are you sure it's 16 not 18?
[08:12] <EriC^^> try 'cat /etc/issue'
[08:13] <Kaidok5797> Yea
[08:13] <Kaidok5797> Ok
[08:13] <Kaidok5797> Ubuntu 16.04 LTS \n \l
[08:13] <EriC^^> !info ubuntu-gnome-desktop xenial
[08:13] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: type 'sudo add-apt-repository universe && sudo apt-get update'
[08:14] <Kaidok5797> Omg
[08:14] <Kaidok5797> Add-apt-repository command not found
[08:14] <EriC^^> haha :D
[08:15] <Kaidok5797> It took like 2 hours to install... you would think all this would be installed already
[08:15] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: type 'sudo apt-get install software-properties-common'
[08:16] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: side note, why did you use the mini.iso instead of a full iso?
[08:16] <EriC^^> ah the cdrom
[08:16] <Kaidok5797> Because I only had one blank cd with only 700MB space total on it
[08:16] <Kaidok5797> Lol yea
[08:17] <Kaidok5797> Probably should have waited and just bought a USB stick
[08:17] <EriC^^> i'd get a usb
[08:17] <EriC^^> the reason being cause sometimes you'll need a live usb to troubleshoot stuff or fix stuff, it's handy to have
[08:18] <Kaidok5797> Gotcha ok
[08:18] <Kaidok5797> Ok done downloading and installing
[08:19] <EriC^^> the mini iso might give a live environment, ive never really installed using it so im just guessing
[08:19] <EriC^^> ok
[08:19] <Kaidok5797> It doesn’t have that option when you boot with the mini.iso
[08:19] <EriC^^> ah i see
[08:20] <Kaidok5797> Should I try the add-apt-repository line again?
[08:20] <EriC^^> ok, type 'sudo add-apt-repository universe && sudo apt-get update'
[08:20] <EriC^^> yeah
[08:21] <Kaidok5797> Ok its working this time lol
[08:21] <Kaidok5797> Ok done
[08:21] <EriC^^> ok, type sudo apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[08:22] <Kaidok5797> Aha
[08:22] <Kaidok5797> Whoa
[08:22] <Kaidok5797> Its doing its thing
[08:22] <EriC^^> sounds good
[08:22] <elias_a> Standing ovation from Finland!
[08:23] <Kaidok5797> Yes lol
[08:23] <Kaidok5797> Standing ovation from Indiana, USA too lol
[08:23] <andrewrs> woot!
[08:24] <Kaidok5797> So are we basically reinstalling this.. manually? Is this what a manual install looks like?
[08:25] <Kaidok5797> This is way more interesting to look at and watch than graphical install screens lol
[08:25] <EriC^^> :D
[08:26] <e_motion> Whoop! Greetings from Germany!
[08:26] <Kaidok5797> Ooooo yay Germany!
[08:26] <Kaidok5797> I took a German in high school. German heritage here.
[08:27] <Kaidok5797> Took German, not A German lol
[08:27] <EriC^^> :D
[08:27] <cm13g09> So - I've just spent 30 mins tracking down what I thought was a keepalived bug - and turns out it very much isn't.  Seems to be a combination of netplan and systemd, because Debian boxes with systemd have no problem.
[08:28] <e_motion> @Kai, neat. :) Just thought about canibalism x)
[08:28] <Kaidok5797> =D
[08:28] <cm13g09> Essentially, the virtual IPs evaporate off the interface because, seemingly, systemd-networkd gets reloaded somewhere underneath keepalived
[08:29] <cm13g09> Yeah... once a week systemd-networkd gets reloaded...
[08:29] <cm13g09> great
[08:31] <e_motion> on purpose? (sorry, wasnt following through. Fighting with an NginX right now :x)
[08:31] <Kaidok5797> E-motion it is on my bucket list to visit Germany some day. Incredibly amazing country and people.
[08:31] <cm13g09> e_motion: was that aimed at me
[08:32] <e_motion> Nice. :) Make sure to visit some of the bigger city's like Berlin. :)
[08:33] <Kaidok5797> Ut oh EriC^^ black screen again
[08:33] <Kaidok5797> Oh for sure!
[08:33] <e_motion> @cm13g09 uh, ok. Didn't got that x)
[08:33] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: does ctrl+alt+f2 give a tty?
[08:33]  * cm13g09 is now confused - time for breakfast!
[08:33] <Kaidok5797> Oh wait
[08:33] <Kaidok5797> Lol
[08:33] <Kaidok5797> when I hit ctrl screen came back to life
[08:34] <elias_a> Berlin is extremely lovable and interesting. Sorry for offtopic. :P
[08:34] <Kaidok5797> Its still installing. I guess Linux version of the screen going to sleep
[08:34] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: yeah
[08:34] <Kaidok5797> Yea thats my fault for starting the off topic... but Germany makes me excited lol
[08:34] <Kaidok5797> My fav country other than my own.
[08:35] <e_motion> Where u from, btw?
[08:35] <Kaidok5797> Indiana, US
[08:35] <e_motion> ah, nice. I want to visit US at some point. :)
[08:35] <Kaidok5797> There is a lot to visit here, lol. I wouldn’t even know where to begin to recommend lol.
[08:36] <e_motion> haha, i guess so :D
[08:37] <Kaidok5797> My brother lived in Germany for a few years ( he was in the U.S. Army) absolutely loved it. I was so jealous lol. He brought back a lot of cool German stuff though... especially food.. ohhh the food.
[08:38] <EriC^^> i wonder what high speed car chases are like there on the autobahn
[08:38] <Kaidok5797> Hahahaha no kidding
[08:38] <EriC^^> what are the cop cars there? carrera gt's or something?
[08:39] <Kaidok5797> =D
[08:41] <elias_a> EriC^^: There are not that much chases.  Shows my user though
[09:01] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: try pressing "ctrl+alt+f1"
[09:01] <Blexy> have you tried logging in the command line?
[09:01] <Kaidok5797> Ok got ubuntu tty1 login
[09:01] <EriC^^> login and type "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999"
[09:01] <Blexy> oh, yeah, do what eric says xD
[09:01] <Blexy> sorry
[09:02] <Kaidok5797> “No such file or directory
[09:02] <EriC^^> i feel like something got typo'd
[09:02] <Kaidok5797> I’ll retype
[09:03] <EriC^^> Xorg has to be capital X and then it's zero between the .
[09:03] <Kaidok5797> Ok
[09:03] <Kaidok5797> Space between 0.log and | ?
[09:03] <EriC^^> yeah
[09:03] <Kaidok5797> Yea still no such file or directory
[09:04] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: ok, try "grep <your username> /etc/passwd"
[09:04] <EriC^^> what's the number there after the :
[09:04] <Kaidok5797> Its <username>:x:1000:1000:<MYNAME>
[09:05] <EriC^^> ok, just as a sanity check see if "stat ~/.Xauthority" gives you anything back
[09:05] <EriC^^> see if the uid is 1000 and what the permissions are if it does
[09:06] <Kaidok5797> Ok well is not letting me input ~
[09:06] <EriC^^> why not?
[09:06] <Kaidok5797> That key works though because I can input 1
[09:06] <Kaidok5797> `
[09:06] <Kaidok5797> Beats me
[09:06] <Kaidok5797> When I try to type it, nothing appears
[09:06] <EriC^^> hmm, ok use "$HOME/.Xauthority" instead
[09:07] <Kaidok5797> Oh wait
[09:07] <Kaidok5797> Once I type the next letter the ~ appears
[09:07] <Kaidok5797> Is that normal?
[09:07] <EriC^^> not really
[09:07] <ducasse> it's a 'dead letter', type space after it
[09:08] <Kaidok5797> Ok
[09:08] <rpifan> im a dead letter
[09:08] <Kaidok5797> Cannot stat “ /home/<username>/.Xauthority” No such file or directory
[09:08] <EriC^^> ok
[09:08] <Kaidok5797> Lol rpifan
[09:09] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: try 'DISPLAY=:1 startx xterm" and see what it says
[09:09] <Kaidok5797> Its working in the background
[09:10] <EriC^^> is it logging anything?
[09:10] <Kaidok5797> Xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/<username>/.Xauthority
[09:11] <Kaidok5797> (EE) fates server error:
[09:11] <Kaidok5797> Fatal
[09:11] <Kaidok5797> Giving up, (lol) unable to connect to x server connection refused
[09:11] <Kaidok5797> Timed out.
[09:11] <Kaidok5797> Now command line
[09:12] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: try typing "touch $HOME/.Xauthority"
[09:12] <Kaidok5797> There was other output mostly non useful it seems. one line states “ cannot open log file
[09:13] <EriC^^> that's interesting
[09:13] <blackflow> EriC^^: Kaidok5797:  non-root Xorg logs to ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log   btw
[09:13] <Kaidok5797> Cannot touch /home/<username>/.xauthority Permission denied
[09:13] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: try 'sudo chown $USER: -R $HOME"
[09:14] <Kaidok5797> Ok had me enter my password
[09:14] <EriC^^> ok
[09:14] <Kaidok5797> No output just back to command line
[09:14] <EriC^^> press alt+f7 and try to login again
[09:15] <Kaidok5797> Nope, no go
[09:15] <EriC^^> ok, back to the tty
[09:15] <EriC^^> try DISPLAY=:1 startx xterm   again
[09:15] <Kaidok5797> Ok I’m back
[09:16] <Kaidok5797> Ok doing its thing without output yet
[09:16] <Kaidok5797> Timeout in locking authority file
[09:17] <Kaidok5797> Its still working
[09:17] <EriC^^> ok, seems like some permissions problem cause it can't even create the log file in the user dir
[09:17] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: try as your user "rm $HOME/.Xauthority" again, then "touch $HOME/.Xauthority"
[09:17] <Kaidok5797> (EE). Cannot open log file /home/john/.local/share/sort/Xorg.1.log
[09:18] <Kaidok5797> Ok
[09:18] <Kaidok5797> Cannot remove /home/<username>/.Xauthority no such file or directory
[09:19] <EriC^^> ok try the touch command
[09:19] <EriC^^> be gentle ;)
[09:19] <Kaidok5797> Lol
[09:19] <Kaidok5797> Cannot touch, permission denied lol
[09:19] <ducasse> what does 'ls -ld $HOME' return?
[09:20] <Kaidok5797> Dr-x——— 3 <username> <username> 4096 Nov 13 02:47 /home/<username>
[09:20] <Kaidok5797> Those are - - -  not a solid line
[09:21] <EriC^^> type "chmod 770 $HOME"
[09:21] <mouses> lol you don't have write access to your own home :)
[09:22] <Kaidok5797> Ok no output, new command line
[09:22] <EriC^^> press alt+f7 and try logging in again
[09:22] <mouses> bet it works this time :)
[09:22] <Kaidok5797> BINGO!
[09:22] <Kaidok5797> You guys are magic
[09:22] <Kaidok5797> Its so pretty
[09:22] <mouses> Kaidok5797: How did you end up removing write access from your own home directory, is the question I am wondering
[09:23] <Kaidok5797> Beats the heck out of me lol
[09:23] <mouses> xD
[09:23] <Kaidok5797> This is an absolutely beautiful and fluid user interface... wow
[09:23] <Kaidok5797> So where to begin? Is there a new to Ubuntu tutorial?
[09:24] <mouses> For your educational experience, that ls -ld you did = the D shows it's a directory, the first 3 characters are user access (read write execute), the second 3 are group access (read write execute) and the last 3 are everyone else (read write execute) :)
[09:24] <mouses> so in your home, your home was only read/execute by you
[09:24] <mouses> the - means no access
[09:24] <Kaidok5797> EriC^^, mouses, and ducasse I cannot thank you guys enough for all your help in the past 24hrs.  I got frustrated a couple of times but you guys didn’t let me give up.
[09:24] <Kaidok5797> Ahhhhhh
[09:25] <mouses> Kaidok5797: Give it three months and you'll be here in channel helping others :3
[09:25] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: good work, enjoy now :)
[09:25] <Kaidok5797> I hope your right
[09:25] <mouses> you'll pick it up fast, it just makes sense
[09:25] <mouses> to be honest I think it's easier to learn how to run a ubuntu system than it is running a Windows system.
[09:25] <mouses> (assuming you want more than just push button get bacon)
[09:25] <Kaidok5797> I choose 16.04 because I didn’t think my system could handle the newest version.. but this is running a billion times faster and more responsive than windows 10
[09:26] <Kaidok5797> I do want more than that
[09:26] <mouses> Kaidok5797: 16.04 is long term support and still a totally great choice :-)
[09:26] <Kaidok5797> Its so much faster wow
[09:27] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: in the future, maybe get a 18.04 ubuntu iso (gnome is the default DE now) and install it from fresh
[09:27] <mouses> Kaidok5797: hahah yeah, it's not a bloated mess :-)
[09:27] <Kaidok5797> Plus it still like looks amazing
[09:27] <Kaidok5797> Ok ok
[09:27] <EriC^^> the mini iso seems kinda broke assuming you didnt fiddle around a little and not tell us
[09:27] <mouses> If you have not done much yet, I'd just go to 18.04 now
[09:27] <mouses> Personally.
[09:27] <Kaidok5797> I haven’t done ANYTHING yet
[09:28] <EriC^^> yeah especially since you want gnome, im sticking with 16.04 myself cause i prefer unity
[09:28] <Kaidok5797> My only fear with 18.04 is that I just barely meet the processor requirements
[09:28] <Kaidok5797> So I fear it will be sluggish
[09:28] <EriC^^> hmm does it say on the site it needs more cpu power?
[09:29] <Kaidok5797> I don’t recall seeing on the site where it checks your hardware for you.
[09:29] <EriC^^> cause for me ubuntu 12.04 was way slower than 14.04, seems to keep getting quicker each lts
[09:29] <Kaidok5797> Gosh even surfing the web is faster
[09:30] <tarzeau> Kaidok5797: with which browser?
[09:30] <Kaidok5797> Oh just Firefox... because its pre packaged
[09:30] <Kaidok5797> I prefer chrome
[09:30] <Kaidok5797> I’m assuming I can’t download chrome for ubuntu from their website..
[09:31] <ducasse> you can
[09:31] <Kaidok5797> Really?
[09:31] <Kaidok5797> Oh wow
[09:31] <tarzeau> preinstalled, prepackaged are also most other browsers
[09:31] <ducasse> as long as your system is 64-bit
[09:31] <Kaidok5797> It is
[09:32] <Kaidok5797> So is there a script or something that will check my hardware for 18.04?
[09:33] <EriC^^> i think you should be good, what i'd recommend is get a usb, make a 18.04 live usb and test it out and if you like it then install
[09:33] <Kaidok5797> Gotcha ok
[09:34] <Kaidok5797> Awww no mIRC for Linux
[09:34] <rpifan> i use irrssi
[09:34] <Blexy> 18.04 just needs a 2GHz dual core, do you really have less than that?
[09:34] <Blexy> +1 for irssi
[09:34] <EriC^^> Kaidok5797: hexchat is an alright gui irc client
[09:35] <brondif> kaidok57: did you update your system  already?
[09:35] <Kaidok5797> I’m JUST at 2Ghz dual core. Some hardware detectors actually detect my hardware at 1.68 GHz for some reason
[09:35] <Blexy> jep, irssi is a command line tool, bit difficult to handle for beginners
[09:35] <Kaidok5797> No, I haven’t updated
[09:35] <brondif> good to do!
[09:36] <Blexy> Kaidok5797: jep, first thing you should do after login is apt-get update && upgrade in tty
[09:36] <Kaidok5797> I’m still being blow away about how fluid, fast, and beautiful this is
[09:36] <Kaidok5797> From terminal correct?
[09:36] <Blexy> jep
[09:36] <EriC^^> * && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:36] <Kaidok5797> I can use the terminal within the desktop though correct?
[09:37] <EriC^^> yeah
[09:37] <Blexy> didn't he want to stay on 16.04 for now?
[09:37] <EriC^^> dist-upgrade just does a full upgrade (kernel and whatnot too)
[09:37] <Kaidok5797> So I get errors lol
[09:37] <Kaidok5797> Permissions issues again it looks
[09:38] <Kaidok5797> Hold on though let me get a IRC client installed first so I don’t need to use my ipad
[09:38] <Blexy> ah, messed up dist-upgrade and plain upgrade again xD
[09:39] <Blexy> Kaidok5797: you need to do "sudo apt-get ..." not just "apt-get ..."
[09:39] <Kaidok5797> Ohhh gotcha
[09:40] <Kaidok5797> Ok now it works
[09:42] <Kaidok5797> So when downloading software from a website.... do I want to download the flatpak, snap, or Source archive?
[09:44] <Blexy> oh, as far as i know, none of the above, you want to get stuff out of the repositories in the most cases... what do you want to install=
[09:44] <Blexy> *?
[09:44] <Kaidok5797> HexChat
[09:45] <Blexy> type "sudo apt-get install hexchat" in terminal
[09:45] <Kaidok5797> Ok terminal is still doing the updates
[09:45] <Kaidok5797> Also chrome won’t install
[09:45] <Blexy> that way, you load the files from the offical repositories, and let your paketmanager install the program
[09:46] <Blexy> wait for the update to complete first, it may block other installs
[09:46] <Kaidok5797> It downloaded the Linux version automatically and it opened it up in a thing with an install button.. the clicking the install button does nothing
[09:46] <Kaidok5797> Gotcha ok
[09:54] <Kaidok5797> Oh wow... I can still access stuff from my windows partition
[09:54] <Kaidok5797> For some reason I can’t get empathy to connect to IRC
[09:57] <tomreyn> you could take a screen shot of the connection configuration screen and post it to imgur.com (be sure not to disclose any passwords)
[10:00] <Kaidok5797> Hold on I got hexchat to connect... now trying to figure out where to put my password for nickserv
[10:04] <mouses> Kaidok5797: it's in there somewhere :)
[10:05] <mouses> Oh you have to manually add that
[10:05] <Kaidok5797> Yea... lol lots to learn. Just learning how to get around in Ubuntu in general... this is quite fun though!
[10:05] <mouses> Kaidok5797: https://slackalaxy.com/2016/10/19/hexchat-auto-login/
[10:05] <mouses> that should walk you through it
[10:06] <mouses> Kaidok5797: Gotta love that shiny new OS feel :)
[10:06] <mouses> Kaidok5797: since it's a new system, I'd strongly recommend opening a terminal and doing a sudo apt update
[10:06] <mouses> and then a sudo apt upgrade
[10:06] <brondif> kaidok55: maybe network freenode connect
[10:06] <mouses> Kaidok5797: unlike windows, all software can be updated with one single unified command :-)
[10:11] <Blexy> mouses: he already did a update, we talked him through it ^^
[10:11] <mouses> Oh, wonderful :-)
[10:16] <Kaidok5797> Mouses... yes someone a bit ago had me do that.
[10:18] <Kaidok5797> Hmm mouses how can I get chrome to install?
[10:18] <Kaidok5797> Its listed in software with an install button next to it
[10:18] <Kaidok5797> Clicking install does nothing
[10:20] <Ool> Kaidok5797: you can install chromium-browser instead, is the open source version
[10:21] <Kaidok5797> Does it allow you to login with your google account as well?
[10:21] <Kaidok5797> I still need to figure this out though for future cases
[10:21] <Ool> try and see :)
[10:21] <ducasse> Kaidok5797: it does
[10:21] <Blexy> Kaidok5797: you can just go to www.google.com/chrome, it should detect your os and offer you to download the .deb-pakage. download it and double click it, it should open your application manager automaticly
[10:22] <Kaidok5797> Blexy I did that...
[10:22] <Kaidok5797> But it doesn’t install
[10:22] <Kaidok5797> Or well it says it does
[10:22] <Kaidok5797> But then a window pops up with an install button for it
[10:22] <Kaidok5797> And thats the install button that doesn’t do anything
[10:25] <jinzo78> Hi all. I have a discussion with a guy - blackflow iirc - some days ago about a problem I had with my client/server application and with my two Ubuntu instances. The issue was the "cannot allocate memory" error. At that time, that person said that it could be a full tmpfs issue, and suggested me to do a df -h to analyze the file systems. Today, I f
[10:25] <jinzo78> ound that my server was again in failing state, so I tried to go for df -h and I managed to do it. That's the result: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KcjGjr6kYy/. Also, I tried to enable a new systemd unit I created but I had this message: Failed to reload daemon: No buffer space available. What could it be? Thank you in advance!
[10:25] <Blexy> puh, I'm not quite sure what exactly goes wrong, I haven't used ubuntu in a while, sorry
[10:25] <Kaidok5797> Actually... nothing I try to install from the software thingy actually installs
[10:26] <ByteShift> you dont actually have to use/be on ubuntu to chat here right?
[10:26] <e_motion> nah, its IRC. You can connect from what ever platform you like
[10:27] <elias_a> ByteShift: Nope - but this is solely an Ubuntu support channel so that's what we talk about. :)
[10:28] <ByteShift> THis is my first time ever using linux, so im just trying out some of the features you cant do on windows
[10:29] <Blexy> oh, you can do everything on windows you can do on linux, question is if you should xD
[10:30] <Blexy> (and if windows let's you do it or if you need to force it to xD)
[10:30] <ByteShift> How long do you guys spend every day on you terminal? I always just imagine the people that use linux are always on terminal, no matter what they are doing.
[10:30] <Kaidok5797> Weird... so when I go to software... and click on the installed tab... chrome is listed... with an install button next to it. When I click said install button it asks if I’m sure I want to UN-install..... but I clicked an install button
[10:31] <Kaidok5797> Aha... now its letting me install
[10:31] <Kaidok5797> That was bizarre
[10:32] <ByteShift> im gonna restart my computer(vm) and see if i cant change some settings to get it to run faster.
[10:33] <Blexy> ByteShift: well, it depends. at work, linux is my primary os, so i only open terminals when i need to. at home, my primary os is windows (until game devs make all games for linux, too) and i use the terminal all the time i boot up linux, because i wouldn't boot linux if i wasn't about to do stuff which needs the terminal
[10:33] <Blexy> Kaidok5797: if computers never did strange stuff like this, i would be unemployed xD
[10:33] <Kaidok5797> Lol good point
[10:34] <Kaidok5797> Gosh this is so much faster than windows 10
[10:34] <Blexy> kai
[10:35] <Kaidok5797> Yes?
[10:35] <Blexy> Kaidok5797: it's much more lightwight, you don't need to spin up so much programs that talk to microsoft servers xD
[10:35] <Blexy> just mixed tab with enter xD
[10:36] <blackflow> jinzo78: come again, what servers are that? VMs?
[10:36] <jinzo78> blackflow yes, it's a VPS
[10:36] <blackflow> jinzo78: what kind? I suspect it's not a VM at all, but a container/openvz thing maybe
[10:37] <jinzo78> blackflow OpenVZ
[10:38] <blackflow> jinzo78: right. you should talk to your hosting company then, they have issues on the host side. while at it, I recommend you to get away from openvz and use proper virtualization. there's.... little benefit in using openvz today, if any.
[10:42] <jinzo78> blackflow I was thinking about switching from that provider to AWS or some other virtualization platform, this is not the first time we have issues for our application. With what you said, you're convincing me to do it as early as possible. So are you sure that it's not a problem of mine but it's an issue on their side?
[10:43] <Blexy> jinzo78: migration to aws is not as easy as you may think, it will be extremly expensive as long as you don't plan to make greater chances on the code
[10:44] <Blexy> and if you do, you will be bound to aws forever, as all the changes need to be revoked if you leave
[10:44] <jinzo78> Blexy what do you mean?
[10:46] <blackflow> jinzo78: I'm pretty sure it is on the host side. OpenVZ is OS-level "virtualization" which is just.... namespacing in the host kernel. systemd requires certain features from the kernel and if it is too old, problems may arise. that host is probably some older centos thingy, usually they are.
[10:46] <blackflow> jinzo78: at any rate, you have out of memory situations with no visible out of memory situation :)  that really points to the host side issues, especially your latest error about systemd being out of buffer space. I'd say open FD limit reached on the (host) kernel
[10:47] <blackflow> but even if you didn't have any issues, openvz is something I'd always recommend to migrate from.
[10:47] <Blexy> jinzo78: if you just use e2 instanced (or else, not quite sure right now how they are called) aws is epensive as fuck. if you use aws right, it is quite cheap, but that requires to use the database services, loadbalancing services, etc, instead of large e2 instances. to use the amazon tools, your application must be specifically desinged
[10:54] <jinzo78> To both Blexy and blackflow: understood and thank you! I will contact you again if I have any other issues :D
[11:00] <blackflow> jinzo78: Blexy: I'm not sure what Blexy is talking about, AWS can be treated as simple VPS hosting, especially their Lightsail products, ie. no need for any lock-in code changes.
[11:00] <Blexy> blackflow: jep, it can, but that is the most expensive way to use aws.
[11:01] <blackflow> Blexy: how do you reckon  https://aws.amazon.com/lightsail/pricing/
[11:02] <Blexy> like i said, very, very expensive, there are many way cheaper options
[11:06] <Blexy> also, lightsail is used for small projects, if you need to host a company-grade website you'll need ec2 instances. while lightsail is quite expensive, but still competetive, ec2 is paid per usage, and if you host a full webserver with all databases and depending services on ec2, you can also just gift your company to aws, because your first payment will be more than its value xD
[11:06] <blackflow> Blexy: nonsense. that pricing is in line with other VPS providers, and is on the CHEAPER end of the spectrum. But eh.... offtopic for  #ubuntu
[11:07] <Blexy> jep, offtopic
[11:08] <Blexy> blackflow: you are a developer, aren't you?
[11:22] <blackflow> Blexy: Ubuntu dev? no. Otherwise yes
[11:24] <Kaidok5797> Not gonna lie... this is a lot of fun lol
[11:28] <Kaidok5797> If it were possible to use my iCloud Drive and Apple Music in Ubuntu among a couple other things... I’d just take the full plunge and say forget windows
[11:29] <hateball> There's always the option of migrating to services that work on your platform of choice
[11:30] <Kaidok5797> Ehhh my thing is with mobile devices, I’m all in on Apple
[11:30] <Cheez> hateball: that usually involves a sunk cost though.
[11:30] <Kaidok5797> All in on iOS
[11:30] <Kaidok5797> I use iphone, ipad, Apple TV, and Apple Watch
[11:31] <Kaidok5797> Not going to find replacements for all of those that work together like all of those do in the same way.
[12:08] <Blexy> blackflow: sorry, were afk. that explains it to me, many devs are quite happy with aws, while most sysadmins have mixed feelings. it just is not so easy and cheap to use in a corporate it enviroment
[12:09] <Blexy> but still, offtopic, sorry
[12:11] <CoolerZ> what is the standard location of chromedriver executable?
[12:11] <CoolerZ> do i put it in /usr/bin ?
[12:12] <CoolerZ> it needs to be in PATH
[12:12] <enzotib> it is better to use /usr/local/bin and don't mess with /usr/bin
[12:15] <CoolerZ> ok
[12:15] <CoolerZ> chromedriver --version
[12:15] <CoolerZ> ChromeDriver 2.43.600233 (523efee95e3d68b8719b3a1c83051aa63aa6b10d)
[12:15] <CoolerZ> selenium.common.exceptions.WebDriverException: Message: 'chromedriver' executable needs to be in PATH. Please see https://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/chromedriver/home
[12:15] <CoolerZ> Why ? just why
[12:15] <CoolerZ> its in the PATH
[12:16] <EriC^^> what does which "chromedriver" give?
[12:17] <meowschwitz> so um
[12:17] <meowschwitz> can I completely remove systemd from 18.04 LTS?
[12:17] <CoolerZ> EriC^^, i just showed you
[12:17] <Mathisen> meowschwitz, why ?
[12:18] <Mathisen> meowschwitz, go join the gentoo people :)
[12:18] <tomreyn> meowschwitz: you can. will your system still work? no.
[12:19] <EriC^^> CoolerZ: i meant to run the command 'which chromedriver' and paste the ouput
[12:19] <meowschwitz> tomreyn: so to be clear, I can't, without breaking the box
[12:19] <Blexy> the question never is if you can, the question always is if you should xD
[12:19] <meowschwitz> Mathisen: I don't want to start a debate on merits of systemd, it's causing me trouble and I dont feel like debugging it
[12:20] <Mathisen> meowschwitz, ok lets start fresh, define your troubles and/or error and so on '
[12:20] <Mathisen> maybe we can solve that
[12:21] <meowschwitz> Mathisen: I have 7 production SQL mirrors and systemd took upon itself to do something once in a while that removes the IP from one of the network interfaces on each box
[12:21] <tomreyn> meowschwitz: i haven't actually tried it, but i'd be very surprised if it would be possible to replace systemd entirely without causing major breakage. and even if you got it working with some other init system, it'd hardly be a supportable here anymore.
[12:22] <meowschwitz> Mathisen: I have no first clue about how to go on figuring out what is it exactly that systemd *does* that causes it or why it does that and I am not really inclined to do so anyway
[12:22] <Blexy> meowschwitz: checked the syslog? did it contain any useful info?
[12:23] <meowschwitz> Blexy: nothing useful, it only indicates that there's some sort of timed process, beginning with "Created slice User Slice of root", reaching some targets, and then after that the IP is gone from the interface
[12:23] <meowschwitz> systemd pid 1 is emitting that itself
[12:24] <Blexy> do you have any cronjobs running that could cause the error, either direct or indirect?
[12:24] <meowschwitz> nothing custom, all these boxes do is run mysql
[12:26] <CoolerZ> EriC^^, there is only one
[12:26] <Blexy> how does the interface react after it loses the ip? is it still up, does it still react to arp, or does it shut down?
[12:26] <CoolerZ> EriC^^, oh thats weird
[12:26] <meowschwitz> Blexy: it is still up, just the address is removed from it
[12:26] <CoolerZ> which chromedriver doesn't output anything
[12:27] <meowschwitz> Blexy: I have no idea how it acts, these are production boxes, I immediately restarted the interfaces without doing any tests
[12:27] <EriC^^> CoolerZ: what about "echo $PATH"
[12:27] <CoolerZ> EriC^^, that will print the PATH
[12:28] <CoolerZ> i put chromedriver under ~/.chromedriver/
[12:28] <EriC^^> CoolerZ: i know what it does :D what does it actually output though?
[12:28] <CoolerZ> and its in the PATH
[12:28] <EriC^^> CoolerZ: i thought you said you put it in /usr/local/bin ?
[12:28] <EriC^^> CoolerZ: ~/ isn't in $PATH by default
[12:28] <meowschwitz> so, bottom line, systemd cant be removed from 18.04 without major breakage, correct?
[12:28] <Blexy> meowschwitz: well, you'll need to find the error, so you need to take a look even on production systems. i am very sure that systemd does not cause the error, at least i never heard that systemd messes with interfaces
[12:28] <CoolerZ> EriC^^, i edited .bashrc
[12:29] <CoolerZ> and reopened the terminal
[12:29] <CoolerZ> EriC^^, someone said don't put it in /usr/bin
[12:29] <meowschwitz> Blexy: no, what I am *going* to do is clone one of the boxes and try removing systemd completely. Failing that, I will reprovision the whole thing with devuan
[12:29] <Blexy> meowschwitz: since systemd handles all processes and is a vital part of your os, no, it cannot be removed safely
[12:29] <CoolerZ> anyway i have to go
[12:29] <CoolerZ> any last thoughts?
[12:29] <EriC^^> CoolerZ: they suggested /usr/local/bin , which is fine
[12:29] <Blexy> meowschwitz: kk, cloning is a good ides
[12:29] <geirha> you should modify PATH in .profile and then log in again
[12:29] <Blexy> *idea
[12:30] <CoolerZ> EriC^^, well i can run the chromedriver from the terminal
[12:30] <CoolerZ> so it works
[12:30] <meowschwitz> you can imagine that my prejudice against systemd is not improved
[12:30] <CoolerZ> and if i print PATH it shows ~/.chromedriver
[12:30] <CoolerZ> so that works
[12:30] <CoolerZ> gtg
[12:30] <thyriaen> Hi there - quick question - I would like to dual boot 2 linux distros alongside eachother ( i already have my 1st installed grub on the MBR ) - with the 2nd install how do i setup grup so i can boot both distros ? ( do i just not install grub again  ?, if not where do i install it to ? will it reccognize the old distribution / the new one ? )
[12:31] <geirha> CoolerZ: but that PATH is ONLY available in your interactive shell (and its decendants). It will not be available to other programs, such as chrome
[12:31] <EriC^^> thyriaen: i'd decide whether you want to use grub from the first install or the 2nd, and then remove grub from whichever you dont want and run sudo update-grub to pick both up
[12:33] <Blexy> thyriaen: in most cases, you should be talked through installation and configuration of grub while installing your second system by the installer. most distros do a great job at detecting grub/other os and asking you what to do ^^
[12:33] <EriC^^> geirha: which chromedriver isn't picking it up, possibly it needs +x on the binary? CoolerZ
[12:33] <geirha> it needs to go in .profile or .pam_environment, so all programs in the X session will get the PATH change
[12:34] <lorforlinux> *thyriaen* you can just install the new distro it will install its grub on the disk and you'll be able to boot both the distros
[12:34] <EriC^^> i think it needs +x, cause "which chromedriver" wasn't working, my 2 cents
[12:35] <thyriaen> thanks for the answers :)
[12:35] <thyriaen> ill just try something ^^^
[12:36] <geirha> EriC^^: nah, he showed that chromedriver --version worked from his interactive session
[12:37] <EriC^^> oh i see
[12:37] <geirha> just needs to be in chrome's environment, not just interactive bash's
[12:47] <meowschwitz> okay, you all were correct and removing systemd without breaking the box is impossible
[12:47] <meowschwitz> I will spend several hours trying to track down the issue
[12:48] <meowschwitz> if it does affirmatively turn out to be systemd and I can not fix it within sane time I am getting rid of ubuntu permanently
[12:50] <tomreyn> i assume you're aware that you can also buy commercial support from canonical and have them support you?
[12:50] <Blexy> it won't be systemd, i am pretty sure about that. but if it is, please report here, i would be very curious ^^
[12:55] <lorforlinux> q
[12:55] <Blexy> w?
[12:56] <e_motion> r!
[12:56] <lorforlinux> Blexy: sorry by mistake i am figuring out how to switch between rooms in weechat
[13:11] <coconut> lorforlinux, Blexy, e_motion: code for Germans?
[13:14] <e_motion> not sure what exactly u want
[13:14] <e_motion> Coding in german?
[13:17] <Greyztar> so many hours rtfm only to discover was right on first try just "one simply does not use -A in iptables when should use -I"
[13:18] <Greyztar> devil in the details haha
[13:33] <lightblue> hi, I wanted to change the PATH environment variable by altering .bash_profile inside my home directory. After editing and saving the file, I restarted terminal and no changes took effect until I manually sourced the file. Is it normal that this happens?
[13:33] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:34] <lightblue> After restarting my computer now every time PATH is correct.
[13:35] <geirha> lightblue: .profile is read during login
[13:36] <geirha> I don't know about .bash_profile though, I just use .profile, at least up to 16.04, .profile specifically gets sourced (by sh) when lightdm initiates your x session
[13:36] <geirha> ok, so it somehow read .bash_profile too, cool. Logging out and back in again would've sufficed though
[13:37] <lightblue> geirha, I see, thanks
[13:38] <lightblue> geirha, I tried .profile before .bash_profile, the same thing happened. I guess they both are sourced at login
[13:40] <geirha> Yes. I'd still stick with .profile though. Then you don't have to rely on bash being involved during login. If you have both .bash_profile and .profile, bash will only read .bash_profile, sh will only read .profile.
[13:48] <hggdh> lightblue: ~/.basrc is used every time a new shell is started
[13:48] <Voziv> Is there an easy way to find out what's creating random br- network adapters on each boot? I'm on 18.04.1 and have docker installed (I suspect this)
[13:49] <Voziv> Reason I ask is that I have another program that relies on the mac addresses of my network adapters for whatever reason and that keeps breaking after each reboot
[13:54] <geirha> everytime you start bash in interactive mode at least (i.e. not read when running bash scripts)
[14:47] <XenophonF> is there a good howto out there for generating APT repositories?
[14:56] <teward> XenophonF: generating how?  Mirroring?  Or just having brand new signed apt repositories?
[14:56] <lordcirth_work> XenophonF, like, making your own ppa or internal repo?
[14:56] <XenophonF> I want to make my own repository, with blackjack, and hookers.
[14:57] <XenophonF> preferably something automated, where I can hook into a CI process
[14:58] <Inglebard> Hi, I use phpmyadmin on multiple machines. There are a lot of error in it. The main issue seems to be an out of date phpmyadmin version which is not compatible with php7.2. There are some bug reports about it. Does someone know if it will be fix ?
[14:59] <XenophonF> even more preferably, one that's GPG-signed
[15:01] <lordcirth_work> Inglebard, what Ubuntu version?
[15:01] <Inglebard> 18.04
[15:05] <pragmaticenigma> Inglebard: do you have a link to the bug reports. Most of the bugs will need to be addressed by the phpMyAdmin project maintainers. This channel is helped by volunteers, we don't have insight into the decisions being made about bug fixes and when they will be released.
[15:06] <Inglebard> I think here is the main one : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phpmyadmin/+bug/1767361
[15:10] <pragmaticenigma> Inglebard: It would appear that the development group for phpMyAdmin has released updates for 7.2 compatibility. If you can't find one, make a bug report to have the Ubuntu devs pull in the latest from the project site. Otherwise, (this is unsupported here) you could manually install the most recent and up-to-date version of phpMyAdmin
[15:11] <pragmaticenigma> Inglebard: If you choose to manually install the latest version, make sure to uninstall the package first
[15:11] <hggdh> do we have phpadmin as a package in Ubuntu?
[15:11] <Inglebard> @pragmaticenigma OK
[15:12] <pragmaticenigma> yes hggdh
[15:12] <pragmaticenigma> !info phpmyadmin
[15:12] <hggdh> pragmaticenigma: yes, sorry, my bad -- search for the thing with the worng name...
[15:12] <hggdh> s/search/&ed/
[15:16] <pragmaticenigma> hggdh: I've had mixed luck with the package. It's often much older than the released version from the project group, and I don't see security fixes as often as I'd like to for the released version.
[15:33] <hggdh> pragmaticenigma: it is in universe, and probably synced from Debian (so it depends on the Debian maintainers)
[15:34] <CarlFK> why does this ln fail on the 2nd time?    ln -sf /media/sdc di;  ln -sf /media/sdc di ->ln: failed to create symbolic link 'di/sdc': Operation not permitted
[15:36] <pragmaticenigma> CarlFK: because the link already exists
[15:36] <CarlFK> pragmaticenigma: man ln .. -f, --force               remove existing destination files
[15:36] <pragmaticenigma> keyword there... is "files" ...
[15:36] <hggdh> CarlFK: you probably should look at info ln instead
[15:37] <pragmaticenigma> A link is not a file.
[15:37] <xtron> when I 'lsblk' on ubuntu 18 lts, it shows so many 'loop' device mounted at /snap/* , what is this? and how to remove them?
[15:37] <Inglebard> @hggdh, @pragmaticenigma, if you are still talking about phpmyadmin. "it is in universe, and probably synced from Debian (so it depends on the Debian maintainers)" => yeah but debian strecth use php7.0 so they don't have the issue. So  won't update right ?
[15:38] <pragmaticenigma> When I'm attempting to update a link to point to a new destination, I inlcude the -n option, which treats a link as a file. Which then allows the -f to treat it as a file and remove it before recreating the new link
[15:38] <pragmaticenigma> Inglebard: That's why you submit bug reports
[15:38] <hggdh> Inglebard: it is probably in experimental, though
[15:38] <Inglebard> Ok
[15:41] <CarlFK> this works: mkdir x; ln -sf x y; ln -sf x y (no error)
[15:48] <ioria> CarlFK, is there a removable device (fat) on /media/sdc  ? 'cause symlink  does not work with fat
[15:48] <CarlFK> ioria: yes, but the link is being created in the current dir which is ext4
[15:49] <ioria> ok
[15:51] <CarlFK> ioria: it is the same error.. I wonder if ln is doing surprising things :p  carl@twist:/media/sdc$ mkdir x; ln -s x y  =>  ln: failed to create symbolic link 'y': Operation not permitted
[15:52] <hggdh> Inglebard: yes, the newest phpmyadmin is in Debian Unstable, at version 4.6.6. There does not seem to be any 4.7 already in Debian
[15:52] <ioria> CarlFK, try with absolute path
[15:52] <ioria> CarlFK, ho, sotty you are ON sdc
[15:53] <coconut> Anyone here know a site like https://linuxjourney.com , but then for bash?
[15:53] <CarlFK> ioria: that was just to show what it looks like trying to make the link on the fat fs
[15:53] <destinydriven> lotuspsychje, everything worked out well after running pap-purge and running full-update
[15:54] <ioria> CarlFK, yeah, i know .... try with ntfs
[15:54] <Inglebard> @hggdh: OK
[15:55] <Inglebard> @hggdh: something reported here : https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=890595
[15:55] <CarlFK> ioria: that won't help - the usb stick is created by dd-ing this img http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz
[15:55] <ioria> CarlFK, i see
[15:55] <hggdh> Inglebard: yes, I looked at it already
[15:57] <Sven_vB> when I paste multiple lines of text into SSH, which is connected to a screen session that has its input focus on an shell script, and the script takes several seconds after reading each line before it tries to read the next line, where's the text buffered meanwhile? can I terminate the SSH connection already w/o losing the text? what if I change the active window in screen? will the other lines arrive in the slow shell script eventually?
[15:58] <ioria> CarlFK, i think you need to copy all the files in another directory (maybe with an autorun) and the symlink ?
[15:58] <ioria> *then
[15:58] <CarlFK> ioria: or just rm the symlink before I try to create it the 2nd time
[15:59] <ioria> CarlFK, i lost that part,yes sure
[15:59] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: The text is likely cached on the client side, waiting for the server to request more from the buffer
[16:00] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, thanks!
[16:01] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: If it's a large amount of text, why not SFTP the text to the server. Then ssh into the server to have the script read from it?
[16:01] <pragmaticenigma> or cat the file and pipe it to the script
[16:02] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, it was just a few lines, so I thought I'd be lazy.
[16:03] <Sven_vB> I aborted and stored it now though, and ran the job again with stored input.
[16:03] <Sven_vB> so I could close my SSH client
[16:03] <pragmaticenigma> I see Sven_vB ... careful there, that's how half the internet gets redirected to china ;-)
[16:04] <Sven_vB> ?
[16:04] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: reference to being lazy... lazy is how mistakes are made is what I was trying to say
[16:04] <Sven_vB> ah ok :)
[16:05] <Sven_vB> some day I'll learn to use a better terminal multiplexer that can buffer my inputs :)
[16:06] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: screen might work, I just don't close my sessions until things complete. But at least with screen if the connection breaks, you could restore the session and verify your theory
[16:06] <Sven_vB> then again, when screen can react to keystrokes that I type after pasting my text, wouldn't that imply screen must have read (and probably buffered) all previous input?
[16:07] <hggdh> Sven_vB: a nice one is byobu under tmux
[16:07] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: Not sure how screen exactly works with buffers. I know that it intercepts a lot between both stdin and stdout
[16:41] <vanfanel> Hello! I am trying to install Lubuntu 18.10, amd_64, and while the disk utility can see my internal hdd (/dev/sda), the installer won't see it. It's the first time I see this with a GNU/Linux install.. any ideas, please? I have tried creating both GPT and MBR partition tables, but the install program does not detect the disk to continue,
[16:42] <compdoc> vanfanel, some boards have special sata ports that are used for raid. which ports are you using?
[16:43] <vanfanel> compdoc: how can I find out? Maybe some dmesg info?
[16:44] <compdoc> hmm, maybe. I would just look inside at the ports
[16:44] <neurre> hi
[16:45] <neurre> when I do sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade soon after boot, i get ": Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)"
[16:45] <neurre> I suspect something else is automatically trying to check for updates
[16:45] <vanfanel> compdoc: This didn't happen with Lubuntu 16.x, it has started happening with 18.10
[16:45] <neurre> where can I disable such automatic checking?
[16:45] <pragmaticenigma> neurre: There are automatic refreshes of apt... it's best not to disable them
[16:46] <compdoc> vanfanel, I see. very odd. I would never use 18.10, personally
[16:46] <pragmaticenigma> neurre: should only take a moment and you can run the commands again
[16:46] <neurre> pragmaticenigma, well at least the error message should be improved
[16:46] <vanfanel> compdoc: why?
[16:46] <compdoc> only supported 9 months, or whatever it is
[16:47] <pragmaticenigma> neurre: Feel free to submit a bug report if you feel there is an issue with the message
[16:47] <vanfanel> compdoc: you would use 18.04 instead, right?
[16:47] <compdoc> yes
[16:47] <compdoc> and I do use it
[16:47] <vanfanel> compdoc: will do so... I have no time for these issues :) Thanks for the idea
[16:47] <compdoc> good luck!
[16:47] <pragmaticenigma> compdoc: It's best to refrain from personal opinion here. Without knowing the use case of another person, it's really not helpful
[16:48] <compdoc> oh please...
[16:48] <vanfanel> pragmaticenigma: we need working computers and we love GNU/Linux, so compdoc said the right thing :)
[16:49] <lordcirth> neurre, you can disable it like so: https://linuxconfig.org/disable-automatic-updates-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux ,  but only do so if you are willing to take charge of doing regular updates yourself
[16:49] <Ool> I heard that none LTS version will dispeared to make place to a rolling release, but I don't know if it still true
[16:50] <ioria> CarlFK, i think it's about permissions (root owned directory); ln with sudo works and it creates a dead link inside the target but no error output; idk if it helps
[16:50] <pragmaticenigma> Ool: Unless you read a press release direct from Ubuntu or Canonical, it is rumor and should be disregarded
[16:51] <compdoc> vanfanel, on many motherboards, sata ports 1 and 2 are the best to use and sometimes the fastest ports
[16:51] <compdoc> or 0 and 1
[16:51] <compdoc> however they number it
[16:51] <ioria> compdoc, he's gone
[16:51] <Ool> pragmaticenigma: it was on a hangout with ubuntu del from canonical
[16:51] <Ool> dev*
[16:52] <pragmaticenigma> Ool: again, unless it's in a press release, it's not official and only rumors. Also, this isn't the channel for that discussion
[16:56] <CarlFK> ioria: my  x y example doesn't do what I thought it did.  both are trying to create loopy links inside the existing dir
[16:58] <ioria> compdoc, yes, btw i think i misunderstood the -f flag; it does  overwrite the target file
[16:58] <ioria> sy
[16:58] <ioria> CarlFK,  yes, btw i think i misunderstood the -f flag; it does  overwrite the target file
[17:05] <devios> hey all - when i use MSTSC to RDP into my ubuntu desktop box from a Windows machine, it works great.  When I use RDCM (remote desktop connection manager), i only get a black screen.  Any ideas?  Anyone else have this problem?
[18:17] <rrohde> Hi, question on the nautilus search behavior when trying to attach a file for email: When clicking the search icon in the top right, I can only add 1 char and then it jumps to the bottom right and continues to char input there for some reason.... Is there a way to prevent that? The problem is that the search result doesn't match anything if split into two.  In contrast, when searching in nautilus by just opening the file browser out
[18:18] <rrohde> right, the search behaves as expected and does not jump to the bottom right.
[18:20] <pragmaticenigma> rrohde: sounds like a bug to me, not something you could fix
[18:22] <lordcirth> That's a weird bug
[18:22] <rrohde> I had hoped that there would be some gconf magic that would prevent that second search. I believe that's the kind of "just type" search in nautilus, that doesn't require a click on the top-right magnifying class icon.
[18:22] <rrohde> If it's a bug, it's 100% reproducible from Thunderbird > Attach File > Search for file
[18:29] <rrohde> (forgot to mention that I am on vanilla 18.10)
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> rrohde: can you get it to exhibit that behavior in other applications... such as gedit or text pad with the file open/save dialogues?
[18:38] <rrohde> yep... just tried from the save dialog in gedit.
[18:39] <rrohde> exactly the same behavior - Click search icon > start typing > text continues to be entered in the bottom right
[18:39] <rrohde> funnily enough, I only ever needed that search to work when attaching stuff to email, never tried it anywhere else.
[18:40] <rrohde> so the window that's called from either application, whether it's a attachment in Thunderbird, or a save file from gedit, it's still a nautilus panel?
[18:41] <rrohde> so the glitch is a nautilus one?
[18:46] <arooni> anyway to scroll down mouse wheel increments slower?  Ubuntu 18.04.  logitech anywhere mx mouse.  it scrolls so much per notch that its useless.  ideas?
[18:46] <pragmaticenigma> rrohde: correct, it's a nautilus problem. that was why I asked if you saw the same thing in two different apps. Also, Mozilla sometimes leverages their own libraries which are built from nautilus (i.e. I see a nautilus dialogue in KDE when no nautilus is installed.)
[18:46] <rrohde> Where you able to replicate that then as well?
[18:48] <pragmaticenigma> rrohde: I'm on Kubuntu 18.04... and it appears Thunderbird is able to interact with Dolphin so I don't have the same bug
[18:49] <pragmaticenigma> I swear I've seen this mouse scrolling question several times now
[18:50] <pragmaticenigma> arooni: If there isn't a setting available in the mouse control panel, then there isn't a way to change it at this time
[18:52] <rrohde> pragmaticenigma: Should I do a desktop recording then and report a bug?
[18:53] <pragmaticenigma> I don't think there is a way to attach a video to a bug report. It's best to describe in the best detail you can on launchpad. When the ticket is picked up , they will ask for additional information they need
[18:55] <rrohde> hmm, how do I file a bug report against nautilus? Been years since I done anything on launchpad (and IRC, for that matter)
[18:59] <andrewrs> Can anyone recommend a wifi USB 3.0 adapter that works well with 18.10?
[19:06] <rrohde> apport-bug nautilus <<< remembered :)
[19:14] <pragmaticenigma> andrewrs: This channel is for support questions. We can assist in supporting hardware you already have. For question regarding recommendations, please check out the #ubuntu-offtopic or search the web for linux compatibility listings for hardware devices.
[19:15] <pragmaticenigma> !hardware | andrewrs
[19:15] <bumblefuzz> so, I have something new in my OS
[19:16] <bumblefuzz> just installed and updated 16.04
[19:16] <bumblefuzz> the enable networking and enable wi-fi options are grayed out
[19:16] <bumblefuzz> and I am unable to select or deselect them
[19:16] <bumblefuzz> essentially I can't turn my wifi on or off
[19:16] <bumblefuzz> this just happened, out of the blue
[19:17] <bumblefuzz> any way to figure out what this is?
[19:18] <pragmaticenigma> !enter | bumblefuzz
[19:20] <bprompt> bumblefuzz:    rule out hardware, bear in mind that many machines these days come with either a wifi switch for on/off usually on the left or right or front sides, or by using a [FN] key combination
[19:20] <bumblefuzz> it isn't that
[19:20] <bumblefuzz> it isn't that
[19:20] <bumblefuzz> my wifi is on
[19:20] <bumblefuzz> that button turns it on/off
[19:21] <bumblefuzz> it doesn't prevent ubuntu from turning it on/off
[19:21] <bumblefuzz> it's on and the option to toggle it is grayed out
[19:31] <andrewrs> Can anyone help me with a realtek wifi issue? I have a rtl8821ae, I followed this guide and tried some other stuff and no dice: https://medium.com/@elmaxx/rtl8821ae-wifi-drivers-in-ubuntu-16-04-4c1286524afa
[19:33] <ikonia> probably best if you describe the issue to see if people can help
[19:34] <andrewrs> I'm getting less than 1mbps and occasional wifi drops. Other devices in the same location are getting 10-30+ plus depending on location.
[19:35] <pragmaticenigma> andrewrs: also, did you attempt to use the card as is before following a guide? that article is more than 2 years old. it's possible that it isn't accurate anymore
[19:36] <andrewrs> Yes. I started poking around because my connection was so slow. Right now I have it connected to my phone via wifi, and it works OK with the phone right next to it.
[19:36] <andrewrs> The things I tried didn't seem to make it worse, just no improvement.
[19:43] <FunnyLookinHat> I'm having trouble getting an xinput call to stick around between suspend / resume on X - I've got it in ~/.xsessionrc but that doesn't seem to do anything.  Any suggestions?
[19:48] <xapak> Hello.
[19:48] <thinky> hi there
[19:48] <thinky> is there any way to watch Netflix on Chromium?
[19:56] <BluesKaj> it should work thinky, it does on chrome
[19:57] <thinky> BluesKaj: it asks for html5 or silverlight installed
[19:59] <thinky> in archlinux there is a plugin called chromium-widevine but not for ubuntu
[20:00] <leftyfb> netflix uses html5. It should just work
[20:00] <BluesKaj> thinky, look for HTML5 Supported, in more tools>extensions
[20:02] <thinky> hmm
[20:03] <thinky> it works for other video streaming websites but not netflix
[20:03] <thinky> i can watch youtube
[20:06] <BluesKaj> thinky, using an adblock?
[20:07] <BluesKaj> whitelist the netflix site
[20:08] <thinky> BluesKaj: no it is pure chromium nothing installed
[20:08] <thinky> it is not about adblock
[20:09] <ioria> thinky, can't you use firefox ?
[20:09] <thinky> play button is grey and when i click on play it opens a page telling html5 or silverlight missing
[20:09] <thinky> ioria: well chromium is faster than firefox
[20:09] <ioria> really ?
[20:10] <Zta> Hi. I'd like my Debian to look like Ubuntu. I mean purely UI-wise.  I can install the background image in my gnome desktop myself =) My I'm rather new to Gnome, so what is it I need? Icon pack? Theme? Some gnome shell extensions?
[20:10] <thinky> ioria: isnt it? O.o
[20:10] <leftyfb> Zta: you might try #debian. Or just install Ubuntu.
[20:11] <BluesKaj> doesn't chromium have the  HTML5 Supported extension in customize and control:more tools>extensions?
[20:11] <BluesKaj> thinky,^
[20:11] <thinky> BluesKaj: ;)
[20:11] <thinky> not really
[20:12] <BluesKaj> then it's to=ime to switch to chrome or FF
[20:12] <ikonia> Zta: talk to the debian guys
[20:12] <BluesKaj> time
[20:13] <Zta> ikonia: I thought perhaps someone in here would be more qualified in knowing what makes Ubuntu look like Ubuntu and not Debian.
[20:13] <thinky> BluesKaj: isnt chromium softer lighter faster?
[20:13] <ikonia> Zta: we don't support debian - so the debian guys need to work it out with you
[20:13]  * coz_ thinks the "to=ime" should be standard for "time"
[20:13] <BluesKaj> thinky, nope
[20:13] <thinky> hmm
[20:13] <BluesKaj> coz_, it is
[20:13] <coz_> :)
[20:14] <Zta> ikonia: Fine, you don't support Debian.
[20:14] <ikonia> Zta: correct, this channel does not support debian
[20:14] <coz_> th out of curiosity, I just got here, what are you using besides firefox?
[20:14] <coz_> thinky, ^^
[20:15] <thinky> coz_: u dont have much option. chrome chromium ff opera
[20:15] <thinky> u need to choose 1 of 4 :p
[20:15] <Zta> ikonia: Do you know what packages that are added on top of the Gnome Desktop that give it the Ubuntu theme, colors, and icons?
[20:15] <coz_> thinky, then FF out of that list
[20:15] <leftyfb> thinky: so why not just go with firefox or chrome?
[20:15] <ikonia> Zta: have a look at the ubuntu-desktop meta package
[20:15] <Zta> ikonia: Thanks.
[20:16] <Zta> ubuntu-gnome-desktop and perhaps ubuntu-gnome-default-settings.
[20:16] <thinky> yea good idea :p
[20:17] <thinky> how can i uninstall chromium then?
[20:17] <Sircle>  In a range of $200 to $300, what laptop to buy for highest possible computing power? first hand and second hand options welcomed
[20:17] <ioria> thinky, enable DRM and install libavcodec-extra
[20:17] <coz_> thinky, sudo apt remove chromium?
[20:17] <thinky> ioria: in where?
[20:17] <ioria> thinky, prefewrences
[20:18] <thinky> ioria: there is no such option in chromium
[20:18] <ioria> thinky,  in ff
[20:19] <thinky> i know ff it works i can watch there
[20:19] <thinky> i just wondered if it is possible in chromium
[20:19] <ioria> on xenial there would be a ppa iirc
[20:19] <pragmaticenigma> thinky: chromium doesn't include the proprietary DRM modules needed by netflix to playback video
[20:20] <thinky> ook i better use only ff :/
[20:20] <thinky> new things = new problems..
[20:20] <coz_> ^^^^
[20:20] <ioria> thinky,  https://sites.google.com/site/installationubuntu/home/ubuntu-14-04-lts/browser-tweaks-firefox-chromium
[20:21] <ioria> thinky,  not ifyou are on bionic or later
[20:21] <thinky> i am on the latest one :p
[20:21] <thinky> 18.04.1
[20:22] <thinky> ioria: link seems interesting
[20:22] <thinky> checking..
[20:23] <ioria> thinky,  not if you installed 18.04.1
[20:23] <thinky> i installed 18.04.1
[20:23] <thinky> so back to ff .. ok
[20:24] <coz_> thinky, I've never done this, however, I am guessing you can install any or all of those browsers with ,hopefully, few issues, but, FF has rarely let me down ,  ubuntu 4.5 maybe as I recall
[20:24] <ioria> thinky,  on a test machine you can try the debian pkg or copy the libwidevinecdm.so
[20:24] <thinky> i better keep the stable one
[20:24] <coz_> ^^^
[20:25] <thinky> actually ff is giving problems to me on windows.. not sure on ubuntu..
[20:25] <thinky> they release updates everyday too much
[20:25] <coz_> thinky,  of course on windows!
[20:25] <thinky> lol
[20:25] <coz_> ")
[20:31] <thinky> goodbye chromium :p
[20:33] <coz_> thinky,  inreality, linux can have issues specific to it's "Distribution" fedora, ubuntu etc, etc..
[20:34] <thinky> yea i noticed that
[20:36]  * coz_ thinks all the distributions should join and call it "Hickey"  what a mess that would be !
[20:36] <thinky> :p
[20:37] <coz_> althoug, there's probably one named hickey, /me checks
[20:40] <coz_> I have to correct myself, 4.10 was the one I started with
[20:52] <thinky> good nite everybody
[21:14] <courrier> I'm getting 2 issues after upgrading from 16.04 to 18.04 :
[21:14] <courrier> * DNS requests always fail, despite a right config of network manager: I temporarily edited resolv.conf with OpenDNS IPs to get it working successfully
[21:14] <courrier> * systemd-udevd uses 100% of CPU at each startup till I stop it due to hid2hci exiting with code 1 http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DfVNWGTbBw/
[21:51] <borischristfr> hello in which channelcan i get some help with my computer? i have my laptop in dual boot ubuntu/windows, and now ubuntu works good but in windows the screen stays black as if it wasnt working, when i connect it to external screen it shows well though.. how can i fix that ? yesterday i didnt have that problem, i dont understand
[21:53] <ikonia> borischristfr: the guys in the ##windows channel would be my first stop
[21:53] <borischristfr> ok tyank you
[22:20] <derpingit> hi. i'm having a problem with certbot compiling.. can someone help?
[22:22] <OerHeks> up to Bionic there is a PPa https://launchpad.net/~certbot/+archive/ubuntu/certbot
[22:23] <Pdrome> Did I manage to login?
[22:24] <Pdrome> Hi all, is here ok to ask something about FFmpeg or should I just go for the FFmpeg irc?
[22:25] <Mathisen> Pdrome, ask
[22:27] <Pdrome> Bit of a controversial question so would prefer to ask here so thanks... About 2 years ago I was doing gamedev research and found suggestive evidence that FFmpeg may exist using reverse engineered code from Rad Game Tools. Is anyone here aware of this?
[22:29] <Mathisen> Pdrome, ok i was wrong :) maybe better to ask the ffmpeg people directly
[22:29] <Pdrome> sorry correction: Leaked actual source code
[22:29] <Pdrome> Okay Mathisen and thanks I will ask there and likey get banned haha
[22:29] <Mathisen> :)
[22:29] <Pdrome> Wish me luck
[22:32] <OerHeks> Pdrome, correct, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bink_Video
[22:32] <OerHeks> nothing wrong with RE, bink2 is also available now.
[22:36] <OerHeks> so, i would turn that statement aroud: bink/bink2 still exists, because of ffmpeg
[22:36] <OerHeks> grinn
[22:43] <Pdrome> OerHeks thanks for posting - I am just paranoid that FFmpeg may use code from RAD and not sure if liability is there or not
[22:46] <scwizard> so I downloaded this trackpad thingy
[22:46] <scwizard> "touchpad-indicator" I installed that
[22:46] <scwizard> and there's an option "disable touchpad when mouse is plugged in" which is what I want
[22:46] <scwizard> but the program thinks the mouse isn't plugged in even when it is
[22:47] <scwizard> which means I can't get the behavior I want
[22:47] <scwizard> anyone have any idea how I could go about disabling my touchpad when my mouse is plugged in?
[22:49] <EriC^> scwizard: write a udev rule
[22:49] <EriC^> !udev | scwizard
[22:49] <scwizard> thx, I might do that, i'll put it on github if i do
[22:50] <scwizard> was hoping there would be an easier way but what can ya do
[22:50] <scwizard> also just wanna say
[22:50] <EriC^> oh boy
[22:50] <EriC^> :P
[22:50] <scwizard> cosmic cuttlefish, has been by far the best distro of desktop linux i've tried
[22:50] <EriC^> ah awesome :D
[22:50] <scwizard> sound worked out of the box, screen backlight, and wireless!
[22:51] <scwizard> sensible UI, the snap thingy is really useful, very few random bugs
[22:51] <scwizard> for instance soudnclodu would randomly crash in another distro I tried, like in firefox i mean, but haven't had any issues here
[22:53] <EriC^> cool
[22:53] <scwizard> it's not perfect, getting the terminal to open fullscreen by default is harder than it should be, I think I need to install some other terminal that supports select=copy anyways
[22:54] <EriC^> i like using alt+space then x to maximize somtimes
[22:54] <scwizard> there's a few other annoyances but nothing that seriously impacts my ability to work (like that soundclodu bug did LOL)
[22:56] <scwizard> eww
[22:56] <scwizard> i hit a slow mirror and now my package is installing at 33 kb/s
[22:57] <scwizard> erm downloading at
[22:59] <gijoe3k> In your guys opinion, is 18.10 worth/safe using as a daily driver?
[22:59] <scwizard> gijoe3k: as i was just saying, I've been very happy so far
[23:00] <scwizard> so yes
[23:00] <OerHeks> stick to LTS, if you need to ask
[23:00] <scwizard> 16:50] <scwizard> cosmic cuttlefish, has been by far the best distro of desktop linux i've tried
[23:00] <scwizard> 16:50] <scwizard> sound worked out of the box, screen backlight, and wireless!
[23:01] <scwizard> and haven't run into any serious bugs
[23:02] <scwizard> lots of other random stuff too, battery indicator displayed in the topbar by default, sound there too. Slack there once it's installed. Can install slack via snap which is mad cool.
[23:03] <scwizard> haven't tried to print yet, so can't give info on that
[23:07] <scwizard> another random thing, I don't get shaken down for my password every 5 seconds, which was a pain point I had with mint
[23:08] <singhyuvraj122> hello
[23:08] <singhyuvraj122> world
[23:09] <scwizard> hello
[23:09] <derpingit> can anyone pleas help me fix this when i run certbot ?
[23:09] <derpingit> https://pastebin.com/raw/Jq40Y7Eb
[23:10] <scwizard> derpingit: try sudo apt-get install python-crypto
[23:10] <scwizard> derpingit: how did you install this "certbot" if it was via debian package then the package isn't correctly specifying dependencies
[23:10] <scwizard> if you cloned it from github it should have a requirements.txt
[23:11] <derpingit> hi scwizard . same problem
[23:11] <scwizard> if you're using this program in production you might want to consider python virtualenv or similar
[23:11] <derpingit> so the thing is that i alredy had it installed via apt-get .. and then i stupidly (trying to install a certbot dns plugin) ran the compiler installer
[23:12] <scwizard> derpingit: what's your output of: pip freeze
[23:12] <derpingit> cryptography==2.4.1
[23:12] <scwizard> just that?
[23:12] <derpingit> no. need it all? one sec
[23:13] <scwizard> use https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[23:14] <derpingit> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Wz4wKpshF2/
[23:14] <scwizard> derpingit: are you trying to host a web server? and are you being paid for this?
[23:14] <derpingit> no. i'm trying to create an ssl cert to my website
[23:15] <scwizard> derpingit: if you're being paid to maintain this website, then you want to take the more robust approach of starting over from scratch, your system could be screwed up all sorts of ways because you "i alredy had it installed via apt-get .. and then i stupidly (trying to install a certbot dns plugin) ran the compiler installer"
[23:15] <tomreyn> derpingit: which ubuntu version is this? how did you install certbotß
[23:15] <derpingit> i'm not getting paid.. i host my own site on a linode vps
[23:16] <scwizard> derpingit: ok since you're not being paid, tell me the output of: which pip
[23:16] <derpingit> 16.04 / apg-get install certbot... i had it all runninng.. but then, i did the thing where i ran the python compiler and all is shit :/
[23:16] <scwizard> derpingit: the thing is the version of cryography you have is more recent than the latest one available on cuddlefish
[23:16] <derpingit> ok one sec
[23:16] <derpingit> output is /usr/local/bin/pip
[23:17] <scwizard> oi
[23:17] <scwizard> erm it's spell "oy!" actually
[23:17] <scwizard> derpingit: i know this is going to sound dumb, but restart your computer lol
[23:17] <derpingit> i have .. lol
[23:17] <scwizard> ok
[23:18] <derpingit> ok one sec lets dewwit one more time
[23:18] <derpingit> btw this is a vps
[23:18] <scwizard> wait no
[23:18] <scwizard> before you do you need to uhh
[23:18] <scwizard> hmm idk
[23:19] <scwizard> i mean this is sorta a case study, for why people use configuration managment and etc when it comes to setting up webservers
[23:19] <recel> what is the lightestweight DE for ubuntu
[23:19] <scwizard> and have multiple environments
[23:19] <tomreyn> derpingit: can you still tell what you did exactly when yuo "ran the python compiler and all went..."
[23:19] <recel> i want to uninstall gnome and use a lighter DE
[23:20] <scwizard> tomreyn: he git cloned something then cded into it and typed "make"
[23:20] <scwizard> tomreyn: so literally anything could have changed
[23:20] <tomreyn> make itself changes nothing on th system
[23:20] <tomreyn> sudo make install does
[23:20] <TJ-> recel: it's either xubuntu or lubuntu; not muhc between them
[23:20] <derpingit> sure, tomreyn .. so i had to install the certbot-linode dns plugin, so i git cloned the entire cerbot repo.. instead of running the python installer inside the dns folder, i ran the main certbot python installer
[23:20] <scwizard> tomreyn: ok well he did that then
[23:21] <scwizard> tomreyn: yeah basically he ran some arbitrary shell script he downloaded
[23:22] <derpingit> yeo
[23:22] <tomreyn> scwizard: how do you know this? i don't see these details on your previous chat, am i missing something?
[23:23] <scwizard> tomreyn: he said "i stupidly (trying to install a certbot dns plugin) ran the compiler installer""
[23:23] <tomreyn> derpingit: the "history" command provides a list of the commands you ran. if you can reconstruct the exact commands you ran please pastebin them
[23:23] <derpingit> cloned this... https://github.com/certbot/certbot/tree/master/certbot-dns-linode .. then ran the setup.py
[23:23] <recel> weird graphical artifacts when minimizing windows in gnome on a fully updated 18.04.1 install
[23:23] <recel> ughh
[23:23] <tomreyn> derpingit: did you run any commands with sudo?
[23:23] <scwizard> tomreyn: well, he ran a "automagical install script" so it's more complicated than that, he'd need to look at what the script did and reverse engineer it
[23:24] <recel> automagical sounds really bad lol
[23:24] <Guest60610> hi
[23:24] <scwizard> tomreyn: since he has a /usr/local/bin/pip he most certainly did, since /usr/local/bin is only writable to root
[23:24] <Guest60610> i have a problem with my kubuntu installation
[23:24] <recel> wrong chat!
[23:24] <recel> my bad lmfao
[23:24] <Guest60610> wrong?
[23:25] <scwizard> recel: as I said, this is like a case study for how not to set up a web server at work. This isn't his job though so what can ya do
[23:25] <tomreyn> scwizard: yes, but the local pip installation may have been installed another time.
[23:25] <recel> is he at work right now?
[23:25] <recel> im dead lol
[23:25] <scwizard> tomreyn: maybe who knows! there's certainly a lot of room for confusion
[23:25] <scwizard> recel: nono this is a personal website he's fine
[23:26] <tomreyn> Guest60610: you're welcome to ask kubuntu related questions here. note there is also #kubuntu
[23:26] <scwizard> he got a linode VPS and is trying to install his personal website on it, and get it working with letsencrypt
[23:26] <scwizard> and he did an oopsie
[23:26] <recel> Linode is a good choice
[23:26] <Guest60610> my kubuntu installation is very laggy. I am running it inside my virtual box but i have eough resources to run it.. I have an i5 8250u with hyperthreading and 8GB ram, and i gave this virtual box 3 cores and 3500 MB ram
[23:26] <derpingit> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FnCjVvTCDw/
[23:26] <derpingit> thats the relevant history
[23:27] <scwizard> Guest60610: KDE generally wants a graphics card iirc, so you need to passthrough the graphics card or something idk
[23:27] <Guest60610> the host system uses no resources besides virtual box and my linux vm is only using vscode and under resource cap
[23:27] <Mathisen> Guest60610, install guest additions
[23:27] <derpingit> is basically a bunch of install - i fucked up - reinstall.. try to reinstall.. try again..
[23:27] <scwizard> yes that too!
[23:27] <scwizard> guest additions!
[23:27] <derpingit> hi tomreyn all were sudo commands
[23:27] <derpingit> i pasted the history
[23:28] <Mathisen> derpingit, for the future dont run pip as root/sudo
[23:29] <scwizard> derpingit: well, here's a question, what's your end goal here?
[23:29] <derpingit> got it
[23:29] <scwizard> are you setting up a personal website to try and learn how to run webservers?
[23:29] <derpingit> my end goal is to create my ssl certificate
[23:29] <scwizard> or to draw clients to your law firm?
[23:29] <scwizard> or just for fun?
[23:29] <scwizard> nono i mean at a higher level than that
[23:29] <Guest60610> Mathisen: I already have those installed
[23:30] <derpingit> i host a website, and a service (SCreenconnect) from this vps
[23:30] <scwizard> derpingit: yes but WHY do you host a website?
[23:30] <Guest60610> scwizard, do you think i should try that?
[23:30] <Guest60610> or install a different flavor?
[23:30] <derpingit> why?
[23:30] <tomreyn> derpingit: thanks for posting. i'm afraid this is  more than i am currently motivated to understand. you should *NEVER* run some python scripts you downloaded somewhere with sudo, unless you know the exact results this will produce and know tihs doesn't permanently impact your system.
[23:30] <Guest60610> what ubuntu distro runs fine in a vm?
[23:30] <Guest60610> lubuntu?
[23:31] <scwizard> derpingit: yeah why do you host a website? Like what are you reasons personally? are you trying to make money? attract clients to your law firm? Is it a favor for church? Is it just for fun?
[23:31] <Mathisen> Guest60610, switch window manager then to something more resource friendly like xfce4
[23:31] <scwizard> Guest60610: i only use command line vms so I can't help you sorry
[23:31] <scwizard> derpingit: I'm asking because based on your motivations, you might want to take a radically different approach
[23:32] <derpingit> i want to start a computer repair business .. this was to be my placeholder for directing people to my remote control service *Screenconnect)
[23:32] <tomreyn> derpingit: if you need to install python modules using pip because they or the specific versio you need it not available via apt (i recommend checking this first) i recommend you do so as a restricted user. pip can operate within this users home directory using the -u option
[23:32] <scwizard> derpingit: have you ever worked at an MSP?
[23:32] <derpingit> no
[23:32] <derpingit> i want to be an msp
[23:32] <Guest60610> Mathisen, you mean on the already installed kubuntu?
[23:32] <Guest60610> how does that work?
[23:33] <scwizard> derpingit: MSPs do what you're trying to get going but at a larger scale, and for corperations. If you're young and interested in providing technical support, then I'd suggest seeing if you can find work at an MSP, and you'll gain a lot of insight into remote management and similar that you currently lack
[23:34] <Mathisen> Guest60610, sudo apt install xfce4
[23:34] <scwizard> wanting to build an MSP without having seen how MSPs work on the inside, is setting yourself up for failure
[23:34] <Mathisen> Guest60610, then log out and chooce xfce4
[23:34] <tomreyn> "xubuntu-desktop" rather
[23:34] <scwizard> derpingit: if you're older and have some kind of background to build on, then you should just pay someone to set up the website for your buissness
[23:34] <derpingit> thank you .. i already had the remote portion installed and operational.. i was just trying to use ssl (hence my need for certbot) .. i fucked up sowmehere along the linee.
[23:35] <Guest60610> Mathisen, ill give this a try and report back
[23:35] <scwizard> derpingit: the point I'm trying to make, is that the approach you're taking to building an maintaining a website, is fundamentally wrong
[23:35] <Guest60610> what would be a good amount of CPU cores and memory to give this? I have 4 cores (8 threads) and 8GB ram
[23:35] <Guest60610> the host is doing nothing when i run the vm
[23:35] <FreeBDSM> how do I make sure I use vulkan?
[23:36] <FreeBDSM> what package do I need to install?
[23:36] <FreeBDSM> is it only used by games or also by OS?
[23:36] <FreeBDSM> if it is used by games - it probably is only used by some, how do I figure out if a game uses vulkan?
[23:37] <FreeBDSM> there are `vulkan-tools` and `vulkan-utils` packages in the repo with identical description
[23:37] <lordcirth__> FreeBDSM, it's per game
[23:37] <lordcirth__> Not many games use it yet.
[23:37] <Mathisen> derpingit, did you solve your certboot issue yet
[23:37] <derpingit> noup
[23:38] <derpingit> i'm running apt upgrade see if it helps
[23:38] <Mathisen> derpingit, well start with using your list you posted and undo your " sudo pip install foobar " with an uninstall then stay with apt
[23:38] <Mathisen> it wont
[23:39] <derpingit> dang.. have to wait now
[23:40] <derpingit> the only addons i did via pip were certbot and crypotography
[23:40] <scwizard> derpingit: spoiler alert, it's not going to help
[23:40] <FreeBDSM> thanks lordcirth__, do you by any chance know what's in vulkan-tools and vulkan-utils? anything useful for a curious Joe?
[23:40] <scwizard> derpingit:
[23:40] <scwizard> "the point I'm trying to make, is that the approach you're taking to building an maintaining a website, is fundamentally wrong"
[23:40] <scwizard> this isn't the way
[23:40] <scwizard> to start a buissness
[23:40] <derpingit> thank you. came here for the ubuntu troubleshooting tho
[23:41] <lordcirth__> FreeBDSM, I think it's tools for developing programs with Vulkan.
[23:42] <derpingit> hosting screenconnect on the cloud is extremely expensive, and i already have a perpetual on premise license for the software
[23:42] <scwizard> derpingit: well you're kinda screwed. the reason people take backups is for situations like this
[23:42] <FreeBDSM> thanks
[23:42] <derpingit> ok thanks
[23:43] <scwizard> if i was in your situation like 8 years ago I would just kill the server and start setting it up from scartch again
[23:44] <scwizard> but i don't want to give you the advice of me 8 years ago I want to give you the advice with what I know now, which is
[23:44] <Mathisen> scwizard, you know messing upp can help you in the long run.. i learnd a great deal when i made a booboo and learnd to fix it
[23:44] <scwizard> the approach you're taking is built upon many different layers of mistaken assumption
[23:45] <scwizard> Mathisen: yes, but you learn even more in making sure it doesn't happen again
[23:46] <scwizard> in terms of actually fixing it
[23:46] <TJ-> scwizard: derpingit is the issue that system-installed tools seem to have been replaced?
[23:46] <scwizard> as i said earlier, you need to dive into the shell script sourcecode
[23:46] <scwizard> and understand everything that it's done to your system
[23:47] <Guest11616> Mathisen, that worked, but restarting causes me to use kde again
[23:47] <scwizard> and then make a decision on if you're going to go forward with the upstream distribution, or use the ubuntu distribution
[23:48] <Mathisen> Guest11616, what worked the install or the logout and choose xfce from login promt ?
[23:49] <Guest11616> Mathisen, the logout did
[23:49] <Guest11616> but then i restarted and it used kde again
[23:49] <Mathisen> it should remember your chooise if i remmeber right
[23:49] <Guest11616> and it also remembered my session
[23:49] <Guest11616> it opened a bunch of windows
[23:49] <scwizard> derpingit: the technical answer, is you have two conflicting versions of certbot. You need to uninstall one of them completely, then configure the version you have to use the correct paths.
[23:50] <derpingit> yep. thats what i'm trhing to do .
[23:50] <scwizard> derpingit: the higher level answer, is that you're best off redoing the VM from scratch, so you can learn how to speed up the rate of which you can do that
[23:50] <derpingit> btw,.. when i run pip without sudo i get this error while trying to uninstall the certbot pip
[23:50] <derpingit> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kmFs3BByRZ/
[23:51] <scwizard> derpingit: higher than that, is the fact that a single ad hoc manged linode VM isn't the right approach for a company website
[23:51] <derpingit> that will be my last option, scwizard .. i have a bunch of workstations connecting to my sc service that i must backup first :/
[23:52] <Mathisen> derpingit, you need to uninstall with sudo also ofc
[23:52] <TJ-> derpingit: which ubuntu release are you using? 18.04 ?
[23:52] <derpingit> 16.04
[23:52] <derpingit> ofc ?
[23:52] <scwizard> derpingit: and higher than that, is that you lack the background or the talent to run an profitable MSP, it's a competative industry
[23:52] <Mathisen> derpingit, of course
[23:52] <derpingit> yes. thank you. i'll contact you personally when i need life advise
[23:53] <scwizard> well forget that last bit
[23:53] <TJ-> derpingit: OK, so the original pastebin you showed, has a locally built /usr/local/bin/certbot trying to call the system's python2.7 packages, specifically, python-cryptography
[23:53] <scwizard> "a single ad hoc manged linode VM isn't the right approach for a company website" <- is still technical advice sorta
[23:54] <derpingit> TJ- mkkay
[23:58] <TJ-> derpingit: if that were the only issue, then "sudo apt install python-cryptography" might solve it. But solving that might then lead to other missing dependencies. Usually when you do a local install, instead of installing under /usr/ prefix it'll use /usr/local/ prefix, which means python libraries would be under /usr/local/lib/ rather than /usr/lib/ ... that is likely why you've hit the issue, since it is
[23:58] <TJ-> using the system interpreter, not a python virtual environment
[23:59] <cliffw> hi all.
[23:59] <cliffw> anyone experienced issue with cloud-init with disk_config where despite the udevadm settle being used a second EBS volume in AWS is not available at boot time, hence disk_config fails?