[10:29] <axino> just learned via the ubuntu-devel@ mailing list that the installation of apt-file will configure apt to download the contents on each "apt update" ! Is there a reason it was designed this way, instead of just using "apt-file update" when I want to update the apt-file cache ?
[10:30] <axino> and is there an easy way to instruct "apt update" to NOT download contents files ?
[14:21] <mwhudson> axino: for the latter /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50apt-file.conf
[14:21] <axino> mwhudson: what do I change there ?
[14:21] <axino> mwhudson: FYI I tried "apt-get -o Acquire::IndexTargets="" -o apt-file::Index-Names="" update" without success
[14:21] <mwhudson> axino: well you can just delete it to prevent apt update from doing anything with contents files
[14:21] <axino> (based on information from that file)
[14:22] <axino> ah yeah sure, but then it breaks apt-file update :) - I guess I can create an alias that would do the right thing
[14:22] <mwhudson> axino: oh it looks like /usr/share/doc/apt-file/examples/ has some relevant stuff
[14:22] <mwhudson>  Install as /etc/apt/apt-file.conf to make apt-file parse this file.
[14:22] <mwhudson>  It will be parsed *after* all other apt config files.
[14:22] <mwhudson>  Combine with disable-apt-file.conf to make apt-file only update the
[14:22] <mwhudson>   Contents files on "apt-file update".
[14:23] <axino> mwhudson: welp, /usr/share/doc to the rescue ! Thanks, will take a look
[14:30] <axino> hmm, can't immediately make it work, even after adding the missing index targets as instructed
[14:34] <axino> OK I got it
[14:36] <axino> still downloading 15MB for oracular/universe amd64 Packages [15.3 MB]
[14:49] <mwhudson> axino: that falls under "it's the devel series so the release pocket gets republished all the time" i guess
[16:04] <LocutusOfBorg> ahasenack, new vbox came out
[16:19] <ahasenack> yay
[16:19] <ahasenack> 7.0.18
[16:20] <ahasenack> and they are referring to this bug for that issue: https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/22045
[16:20] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- www.virtualbox.org ticket 22045 in host support "VirtualBox 7.0.16 crashing host OS immediately with a BSOD by VBoxNetLwf.sys" [New]
[16:33] <ahasenack> @pilot in
[16:33] <ahasenack> it's that time of the month again!
[17:31] <LocutusOfBorg> we can drop from the topic the pad.riseup.net link
[17:31] <LocutusOfBorg> :)
[18:02] <ahasenack> arif-ali: hi, still around?
[18:02] <ahasenack> arif-ali: I'm looking at sosreport
[18:02] <ahasenack> #2054395
[18:35] <arif-ali> hey ahasenack, I am around
[19:00] <jbicha> vorlon: there are a lot of failing riscv64 builds with no logs: here's one https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-calendar/46.1-1/+latestbuild/riscv64
[19:03] <eslerm_> SRU team, please let me know if LP#2064751 needs changes
[19:03] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2064751 in libcrypto++ (Ubuntu Focal) "[SRU] revert security-regression in Focal's libcrypto++" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2064751
[19:45] <vorlon> jbicha: please talk to the launchpad team
[20:56] <ahasenack> is the oracular excuses report healthy? Last generated report was many many hours ago
[20:56] <ahasenack> the logs seem fine
[20:56] <ahasenack> (no backtrace)
[20:57] <ahasenack> dep8 queues are quite large again, though
[21:05] <ahasenack> @pilot out
[22:18] <kajiya> \o I'm, uh, painfully aware it's late on a Friday xD But if anyone's able/willing I have package that needs sponsorship and uploading https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/google-osconfig-agent/+bug/2064580
[22:18] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2064580 in google-osconfig-agent (Ubuntu Oracular) "Please update the package to 20240320.00" [Undecided, New]


[01:47] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:14] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:16] <oerheks> heya lordievader
[07:17] <lordievader> Morning oerheks , how are you doing?
[07:18] <oerheks> still alive, no covid sofar..
[07:18] <oerheks> haven' t seen you for a while :-)
[07:22] <lordievader> Nice, we did get covid a while back. Wasn't a lot more than a cold for me.
[07:22] <lordievader> I've been busy, didn't get a lot of time for IRC.
[07:25] <oerheks> i have this feeling development and bugfixing become harder for maintainers
[07:25] <oerheks> also retbleet, need a good kernel 5.19+
[14:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> Maik: RE: omgubuntu: Joey Sneddon has proven time and time again that he just doesn't care about Ubuntu and just wants clicks. He barely recognizes Lubuntu and Ubuntu Studio as official flavors (?!) and has basically stopped covering the official flavors altogether. In fact, he tends to be hostile toward Lubuntu in particular. I have similar issues with Full Circle Magazine, but they're less for the clicks and more just ignorant.
[15:08] <Maik> Eickmeyer[m]: thanks for letting me know. It's kinda sad imho.
[18:04] <Chunkyz> Afternoon 🙂
[18:36]  * arraybolt3[m] wonders if we should keep omgubuntu out of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, especially after they made fun of Snap when they heard about last week's mess
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> arraybolt3[m]: joey's methods have always been bit satire
[18:50] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah but did you see the bomb that went off in the comment section? 🤮
[18:50] <ogra> he is stirring these for every snap related message
[18:51] <arraybolt3[m]> I mean, I kinda feel like we're doing ourselves and maybe our users a disservice to be basically advertising him in the UWN. It makes sense why we'd put his article in there, but it's just, blah.
[18:52] <ogra> write him a mail and explain to him that you consider dropping OMG and why ?
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> sensation news sells, thats how the whole world runs MSM
[18:52] <ogra> perhaps thats a wakeup call ?
[18:52] <ogra> (stay friendly and do not attack etc)
[18:53] <arraybolt3[m]> And why do people hate Snaps anyway?  They don't like that one company has control over the server (but you still use the OS that only one company has control over?). They don't like that it can be slower (I'll take slower over less secure in many if not most circumstances, thanks). All of those reasons aren't very good IMO.
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> there will always be pro & contras for everything
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> something new arises, common case ppl oppose to it
[18:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Personally, my way of thinking is, yes, auto-updates are crummy sometimes, but they're better than the alternative. Yes, it would be nice if other people could run their own Snapcraft servers, but I don't fault Canonical for wanting to keep control of the servers since that's probably a source of income for them and they kinda need income if they're going to keep Ubuntu alive. And yes, some speed improvements would be welcome but
[18:55] <arraybolt3[m]> they're working on those like crazy.
[18:58] <arraybolt3[m]> My only serious gripe with Snap is that the command set the "snap" CLI uses is different enough from apt's command set that I keep having to look stuff up to figure out what I'm doing.
[19:00] <sarnold> hah, me too
[19:01] <sarnold> I've had a dead mattermost client often enough that I'm reluctant to use snap for anything long-lived
[19:01] <sarnold> it's fine for yt-dlp, sure, update whenever
[19:01] <ogra> hmm, i have no issues with my MM client here
[19:02] <ogra> (emphasis on "my" ... i dont use the "other" snap 🙂 )
[19:02] <sarnold> ahhhhhhhhh
[19:02] <sarnold> so you know when it's updated :) I have no idea when marco updates
[19:02] <ogra> yeah
[19:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Like, if we could have "snap install", "snap remove", "snap purge", "snap autoremove", "snap autopurge", "snap-cache search", and "snap-cache show", I would be SO HAPPY.
[19:02] <ogra> lol
[19:03] <sarnold> just when I start getting a bunch of errors trying to open links, open images, change channels, etc... "oh, I guess marco updated this two weeks ago"
[19:03] <leftyfb> uh
[19:03] <ogra> insall, remove and purge are there though
[19:03] <sarnold> arraybolt3[m]: lol EXACTLY
[19:03] <arraybolt3[m]> (Also the bit that has to do with snapshots could have been a bit more clear. I can never remember the snapshot handling commands.)
[19:03] <ogra> ... well purge being an option to remove
[19:03] <arraybolt3[m]> ogra: The functionality may be there, but the command set just ain't the same.
[19:03] <ogra> cache-search -> find ...
[19:03] <ogra> show -> info
[19:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Is "snap purge" a thing?
[19:04] <ogra> snap remove --purge foo
[19:04] <arraybolt3[m]> ogra: Right. THAT'S MY PROBLEM. "snap find" when you're used to "apt-cache search" is trick to remember.
[19:04] <ogra> like it was in apt 10y ago 😉
[19:04] <ogra> before purge became its own command
[19:04] <arraybolt3[m]> I get all of the functionality exists to do everything apt's commands do, but I got spoiled on apt and don't want to learn another package manager now.
[19:05] <arraybolt3[m]> (That's one good reason I stick with Ubuntu and Debian - I played with Arch and pacman drove me bonkers.)
[19:05] <ogra> well, our CTO likes to reinvent the world ... so re-using well known command names was a no-no ....
[19:06] <sarnold> arraybolt3[m]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1618648
[19:06] <ogra> (and he was mainly involved in designing snap UX)
[19:06] <arraybolt3[m]> Come to think of it, I should just make a shell script or a bunch of aliases to do this for me.
[19:06] <ogra> haha
[19:06] <arraybolt3[m]> I'll publish it as "snaptitude", what do you think?
[19:06] <sarnold> rofl
[19:07] <sarnold> $ snap search foo
[19:07] <sarnold> Name                      Version                  Publisher              Notes  Summary
[19:07] <sarnold> foobar2000                1.6.11                   mmtrt                  -      foobar2000 is an advanced freeware audio player.
[19:07] <sarnold> OMG it looks like they actually got around to supporting it :)
[19:08] <arraybolt3[m]> No.
[19:08] <arraybolt3[m]> You're kidding me.
[19:08] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah, that's you who made the bug report!
[19:09] <sarnold> *nod* I knew it existed
[19:09] <sarnold> I didn't expect it to be six years old...
[19:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Does "snap show foobar2000" do anything?
[19:10]  * arraybolt3[m] is on a Chromebook otherwise I'd check on my own hardware
[19:10] <ogra> "unknonw command "show" ... "
[19:11] <ogra> *unknown
[19:12] <oerheks> snap info foobar
[19:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah well, can't win 'em all I guess.
[19:13] <sarnold> oh dangit, guess I better re-open..
[19:13] <arraybolt3[m]> Nope.  Really, it's just another package manager. I'll figure it out. Other than the command set, I think Snaps are
[19:14] <arraybolt3[m]> a good idea.
[19:16] <ogra> at least snap revert and snap save are pretty unique ... just dont use the other commands 😉
[19:19] <leftyfb> ogra: except that is only temporary
[19:19] <sarnold> arraybolt3[m]: it's more emblematic of the larger issue, that they've ignored feedback for years and then wonder why some people are vocally against the thing..
[19:19] <leftyfb> ogra: you literally have to break snapd and the ability to install and update snaps on your system in order to stick with a single version of a snap for more than 90 days
[19:21] <leftyfb> it's very un-enterprise with the inability to freeze a specific version of an app
[19:23] <sarnold> well, it's *extremely* enterprise -- if you want to do that, just buy a brand store and put your apps in it :)
[19:24] <leftyfb> does the "brand store" allow you to install and freeze specific versions of snaps?
[19:25] <sarnold> yeah, though perhaps mostly as a consequence of you choosing when to upload things
[19:25] <leftyfb> sarnold: I'm not talking about uploading anything. In this case I'm referring to the lxd snap
[19:26] <leftyfb> a few years ago an update got pushed out that broke all of our customers. Priority #1 support issue
[19:26] <ogra> leftyfb, it is not temporary ...
[19:27] <ogra> leftyfb, once a *new* version comes out it will upgrade, but it will never again upgrade to the one you reverted from
[19:27] <leftyfb> huh?
[19:27] <ogra> so as long as no new update comes out you are staying at the version yu reverted to
[19:27] <leftyfb> :/
[19:27] <ogra> else revert would be pointless
[19:28] <leftyfb> "it will never update unless an update is available"
[19:28] <ogra> right
[19:28] <leftyfb> I get what you're saying, but that is in no way the ability to freeze a version
[19:28] <ogra> revert is not for freezing
[19:28] <leftyfb> right
[19:29] <ogra> it is to allow you (or the packager by using a self test) to make sure you always have a working version
[19:31] <leftyfb> either way, after Canonical broke all of our customers, we reverted to lxd installs via apt. Then they removed that ability. So now I manually(scripted)install a specific version of the lxd snap .snap and .assert files that I downloaded a while back and disable/mask the snapd service
[19:31] <leftyfb> also put the snapd apt package on hold since upgrades to snapd will re-enabled it
[19:32] <ogra> remember that snaps come from IoT ... the built in selftest ability and auto) rollback make sure that this 5G device 150km out in the woods is always on and always running, so you do not need to send a tecnician
[19:32] <leftyfb> even more reason to implement a version freeze feature
[19:33] <ogra> well, lxd has tracks for that ... jzst pick the right track and stick with it ... there are still updates, but they are rare
[19:34] <leftyfb> the update to lxd at the time was within the same track
[19:34] <leftyfb> updates to lxd in the same track aren't rare
[19:34] <ogra> depends on the track
[19:35] <ogra> i.e. the last update to the 5.0 track was in april
[19:35] <leftyfb> at the time this was the 3.x track
[19:35] <ogra> which has not been updated since 2019 now 🙂
[19:36] <leftyfb> this was several years ago
[19:36] <ogra> right, i assumed so
[19:36] <leftyfb> regardless, now my global robotics company is afraid of snaps
[19:36] <ogra> just saying ... if you pick an older stable tack, you wont see many updates
[19:36] <leftyfb> that should worry some people
[19:36] <leftyfb> yes, that's the idea
[19:37] <leftyfb> oh , wait
[19:38] <leftyfb> is it guaranteed that we will always be able to install those older tracks?
[19:38] <ogra> if it is for a company, you can nowadays use the snap store proxy in airgapped mode ....
[19:38] <leftyfb> we looked at that, it doesn't freeze versions indefinitely.
[19:38] <ogra> i'm pretty sure they wont go away, but that is up to the packager in the end ... they can ask for deletion
[19:38] <ogra> err
[19:38] <ogra> in airgapped mode it has to
[19:39] <ogra> how would it get the packages or info when it is airgapped ? 😉
[19:39] <leftyfb> how do you install?
[19:39] <ogra> you download from outside the network and dump snap and assertion file in place from i.e. usb stick
[19:39] <ogra> or through sshfs or whatnot
[19:40] <leftyfb> that's what we're doing now sans proxy
[19:40] <ogra> th proxy then acts like a local store
[19:40] <leftyfb> and killing snapd :)
[19:40] <ogra> right, the proxy saves you from killing snapd
[19:40] <ogra> (ad losing effectively all snap functionality)
[19:41] <leftyfb> snapd saves me from building, maintaining and running a proxy server :)
[19:41] <ogra> building ?
[19:42] <leftyfb> it needs to be installed on a server of some sort right?
[19:42] <leftyfb> and configured?
[19:43] <leftyfb> and said server needs to be installed and configured
[19:43] <ogra> ah, right, well, it could be an lxd container 😉
[19:44] <arg_> cause its all containned in 1 single file, easier to work with, download whatever.
[19:44] <leftyfb> either way, this is a VERY simple feature that is part of every other packaging system on the planet and is left out "for our own good"
[19:45] <ogra> not *every* but yeh, most ...
[19:45] <ogra> (i'm pretty sure you can not prevent apk's or IOS apps from updating either)
[19:46] <leftyfb> you can
[19:46] <ogra> easily ? (i honestly never tried 🙂 )
[19:47] <arg_> ban the server IPs but it'd block playstore or other things.
[19:47] <leftyfb> ogra: yeah, it's pretty conveluted and difficult, but possible ......
[19:47] <leftyfb> you just don't click the update button for that app
[19:47] <ogra> right, as "easy" as blocking snap updates then
[19:48] <ogra> (you can point api.snapcraft.io to localhost in /etc/hosts and whanot)
[19:49] <leftyfb> iOS has the ability to auto-update it's apps but it's not enabled by default. So you literally have to do nothing to freeze a version of an app. I'm not sure if Android has the ability to auto-update, but I know if you don't click on the update button for each app on my Android devices, they do not update on their own
[19:49] <leftyfb> I'm running an app on an iphone 4 that was removed from the app store years ago
[19:50] <leftyfb> updating it at one point would have removed it
[19:50] <ogra> hmm must be a smasung thing that i can not easily stop auto-upgrades on my phone
[19:50] <ogra> (though i never dug into that deeply)
[19:50] <ogra> *samsung
[19:51] <leftyfb> you asked about apk's packaging system. It gives you the option of not updating. Samsung and all the rest of the fragmented implementations of Android love to run their own tools on top to do what they want
[19:52] <ogra> right .. i judged by my phone
[19:52] <leftyfb> either way, the point still stands. It's a poor decision to omit the ability to NOT update a snap package
[19:53] <sarnold> how many VMs does your phone run?
[19:53] <ogra> dunno ... my ubuntu phone ran multiple 😉
[19:54] <arraybolt3[m]> You can run QEMU on Android using Termux.
[19:54] <leftyfb> to be fair, that's kinda how android works right? Pretty similar to snap. Lots of little self-contained applications?
[19:54] <ogra> no idea if (and how many) are running in samsungs android clone
[19:55] <ogra> well, they are containerized ... not necessarily VMs though


[02:54] <fbond> Hi, I just subscribed to a bug, but it doesn't appear in the list of bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/~forest-bond/
[02:54] <fbond> Is this a known issue?
[02:55] <wgrant> fbond: I saw a bug on that this morning... which bug?
[02:55] <fbond> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-openchrome/+bug/267115
[02:55] <wgrant> Aha.
[02:55] <wgrant> That's not much of a bug.
[02:55] <wgrant> More a missing feature.
[02:55] <wgrant> It's marked as a duplicate, so it's not shown in default searches.
[02:56] <fbond> Okay, I figured it was something like this...
[02:56] <fbond> Well, "bug" or "feature", it's confusing.
[02:56] <wgrant> It is.
[02:56] <wgrant> IMO it should show those bugs that you are subscribed too through duplicates.
[02:56] <wgrant> But it doesn't (yet).
[02:58] <fbond> wgrant: Okay, so this is a known issue, then?
[02:58] <wgrant> It is.
[02:58] <fbond> (Do I need to create a bug?)
[02:58] <wgrant> THere is an old bug about it.
[02:58] <fbond> wgrant: Okay, thanks for your help.
[02:58] <wgrant> np
[15:02] <dsfggcoccinella> hey
[15:03] <dsfggcoccinella> can anybody help me?
[15:59] <Merlin2> Hello. I have a launchpad account, but I can't remember the e-mail address. Whom should I talk to?
[16:10] <persia> Merlin2, The problem is that there's over a million LP accounts.  Do you at least remember the LP account name?
[16:11] <Merlin2> Yes, I can find actually the contributions of the account.
[16:11] <Merlin2> /w pesia https://launchpad.net/~shelyazhenko
[16:13] <persia> Excellent.  In that case, you probably want to ask a question at answers.launchpad.net/launchpad, and someone *should* help you.
[16:14] <persia> gary_poster is currently listed as the contact, but I suspect that's a result of forgetting to change the /topic Friday night, rather than being accurate currently.
[16:15] <Merlin2> But I can't ask questions if I am not logged in
[16:16] <persia> Hrmm.  Yeah.  In that case, try again when the /topic changed, and bug the person in the topic.  The number of launchpad developers around between about 10:00 UTC on Saturday and 22:00 UTC on Sunday often approaches zero.
[16:17] <andrea-bs> Merlin2: you can also get help with a mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:18] <Merlin2> I see... I will do like that. Thank you very much!
[17:02] <psycose> hi, could you launch the rebuild id 738118 (adadesigner for amd64) ? thanks
[17:04] <psycose> last time there was a link that allow the user to rebuild a failed build for particulary case...
[17:19] <hi365> any ops here?
[17:21] <persia> hi365, You'll surely get a better response if you describe the thing you seek to have done.
[17:21] <hi365> nm, i think i got it
[20:36] <oniltonmaciel> I am able to push to a new branch like main, but I can't commit to trunk, can anyone help me?


[12:25] <Frank__> I'm trying to build an ARM image to boot in QEMU
[12:25] <Frank__> this page tells me to install 'linux-image-versatile' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch/QemuDebootstrap#Kernel
[12:26] <Frank__> Except that package only exists in lucid, not in precise
[12:26] <Frank__> Which package do I need to install the latest kernel belonging to precise?
[12:26] <Frank__> Someone in #ubuntu helpfully pointed out that the manual i'm following is outdated. Is there a newer one somewhereL
[12:26] <Frank__> ?


[00:48] <nhaines> Here, not bad, huh?  http://ubuntuone.com/6exwwMYV1DawESL9OqMPQO
[00:49] <pleia2> :)
[00:56] <nhaines> I added the QR code from last time.  An interested bystander who will spread his stuff out to save seats emailed me and told me to remember to bring another printout to put on the community board.
[00:57] <nhaines> I want to make it even smaller, but a half-sheet isn't bad.
[02:36] <icarus81> Hey everybody has anybody had problems mount an ext4 external drive in 11.10?
[02:37] <icarus81> I know the partition is good but ubuntu will not see it as vaild.
[02:44] <icarus81> anybody?
[02:47] <akk> Don't think I have any ext4 external disks, sorry. What does fdisk or gparted say it is?
[02:48] <icarus81> /dev/sdb1   *        2048      368639     1466368   83  Linux
[02:48] <icarus81> /dev/sdb2          368640   976740351<PHONE_NUMBER>   83  Linux
[02:48] <akk> oh, well, fdisk is useless, I guess.
[02:49] <icarus81> gparted sees the 83 linux
[02:49] <icarus81> but it sees it as unreconized
[02:50] <icarus81> I just had this working in a windows computer an hour ago
[02:50] <akk> maybe try fsck and see what it thinks it is?
[02:50] <icarus81> wouldn't hurt
[02:52] <icarus81> Superblock invalid, trying backup blocks...
[02:52] <icarus81> fsck.ext2: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdb2
[02:52] <icarus81> The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
[02:52] <icarus81> filesystem.  If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2
[02:52] <icarus81> filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock
[02:52] <icarus81> is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock:
[02:52] <icarus81>     e2fsck -b 8193 <device>
[02:53] <icarus81> That is why it is not mounting... bad superblock...
[02:53] <icarus81> How do i fix that without re-formating
[02:53] <akk> But that's fsck.ext2
[02:53] <akk> now try fsck.ext4 and see what it says
[02:53] <akk> don't fix the superblock with fsck.ext2 now if it was supposed to be ext4
[02:54] <akk> (not sure how compatible they are)
[02:54] <icarus81> good point
[02:54] <icarus81> same shit
[02:55] <akk> Still superblock bad?
[02:55] <icarus81> yeah same exact thing
[02:55] <akk> Oh, have you checked dmesg to make sure you're not getting any I/O errors? (Do that before you try to make repairs)
[02:56] <icarus81> [45083.763596] EXT3-fs (sdb2): error: can't find ext3 filesystem on dev sdb2.
[02:56] <icarus81> [45083.764715] EXT2-fs (sdb2): error: can't find an ext2 filesystem on dev sdb2.
[02:56] <icarus81> [45083.780721] EXT4-fs (sdb2): VFS: Can't find ext4 filesystem
[02:56] <icarus81> [45098.775089] EXT4-fs (sdb2): VFS: Can't find ext4 filesystem
[02:56] <icarus81> [45110.260339] EXT3-fs (sdb2): error: can't find ext3 filesystem on dev sdb2
[02:56] <akk> okay, no I/O errors, anyway, good.
[02:57] <icarus81> I don't see any I/O errors
[02:57] <icarus81> that just tail |grep sdb2
[02:57] <akk> At this point, I would try to let fsck repair it -- but first, if I had another machine handy, I'd try it there
[02:57] <akk> and if it mounts on another machine, I'd umount it then try fsck there.
[02:58] <icarus81> well its the drive for my HTPC and it runs great in there
[02:59] <akk> d just found blkid -- apparently a cmdline way to test what filesystem the system thinks is on a partition
[02:59] <icarus81> do I need to be root?
[02:59] <akk> blkid -p -u filesystem /dev/whatever
[02:59] <akk> yes, have to be root
[03:00] <akk> should include something like TYPE="ext4" if it can tell
[03:00] <akk> (but might not, in this case)
[03:01] <icarus81> I typed blkid -p u ext4 /dev/sdb2 and it say unknown argument ext4
[03:02] <icarus81> I just assumed that where the filesystem went
[03:03] <icarus81> oh I am retarded
[03:03] <akk> No, -u filesystem, literally
[03:04] <akk> (that wasn't obvious to me either at first)
[03:04] <icarus81> Yeah just releasied that
[03:05] <icarus81> nothin
[03:05] <akk> It doesn't print anything?
[03:06] <akk> okay, no help there
[03:06] <icarus81> no sudo blkid -p -u filesystem,other /dev/sdb2
[03:06] <icarus81> $ sudo blkid -p -u filesystem /dev/sdb1
[03:07] <icarus81> I just want to resize sdb2
[03:07] <akk> then I guess fsck repair is the only option, but I do think it's worth trying it in another machine if you have one handy.
[03:07] <icarus81> wait I do have another machine
[03:08] <icarus81> its like 10.10 or somthing like that
[03:08] <akk> Sounds perfect (I think 10.10 had ext4, anyway)
[03:09] <icarus81> I am going to go hook it up brb
[03:19] <icarus81> same shit
[03:22] <akk> okay, then it probably really is a problem with the superblock
[03:23] <akk> and repairing it is probably the way to go.
[03:23] <akk> Does it have important stuff on it?
[03:23] <akk> If it has really important data, it might be worth backing up the whole thing with dd before attempting repair, just to keep the bases covered.
[03:23] <icarus81> its already backuped
[03:24] <icarus81> I am upgrading
[03:24] <icarus81> this is just a bigger drive
[03:24] <akk> Good! Then just try saying y to fsck.ext4 when it asks about the superblock.
[03:24] <akk> (and any other questions it asks, too)
[03:29] <icarus81> I tried this sudo fsck.ext4 -y -p -c -v /dev/sdb2
[03:29] <icarus81> and it just complained about the superblock
[03:39] <akk> Did it repair it?
[03:39] <akk> I usually just run interactively without flags, and say y, that way I know what it's doing.
[03:39] <akk> If it actually repaired because of the -y, then running fsck again should give no errors.
[03:39] <icarus81> mke2fs 1.41.14 (22-Dec-2010)
[03:39] <icarus81> Filesystem label=
[03:39] <icarus81> OS type: Linux
[03:39] <icarus81> Block size=4096 (log=2)
[03:39] <icarus81> Fragment size=4096 (log=2)
[03:39] <icarus81> Stride=1 blocks, Stripe width=1 blocks
[03:39] <icarus81> 60956672 inodes, 243822006 blocks
[03:39] <icarus81> 12191100 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user
[03:40] <icarus81> First data block=0
[03:40] <icarus81> Maximum filesystem blocks=0
[03:40] <icarus81> 7441 block groups
[03:40] <icarus81> 32768 blocks per group, 32768 fragments per group
[03:40] <icarus81> 8192 inodes per group
[03:40] <icarus81> Superblock backups stored on blocks:
[03:40] <icarus81> 	32768, 98304, 163840, 229376, 294912, 819200, 884736, 1605632, 2654208,
[03:40] <icarus81> 	4096000, 7962624, 11239424, 20480000, 23887872, 71663616, 78675968,
[03:40] <icarus81> 	102400000, 214990848
[03:40] <icarus81> I am looking at this http://linuxexpresso.wordpress.com/2010/03/31/repair-a-broken-ext4-superblock-in-ubuntu/
[03:40] <akk> Um, you're giving up and making a new filesystem instead of what was there?
[03:41] <icarus81> I was just trying to repair the superblock
[03:43] <akk> oh, I've never had to tell fsck where to look for superblocks
[03:43] <akk> it's always been able to figure out where the backups are
[03:44] <icarus81> I have all the data it would sadly might be easier to just do it in windows 7
[03:45] <akk> I doubt it would be easier to repair ext4 in windows.
[03:45] <akk> It doesn't work to just type fsck.ext4 /dev/whatever and say y when it asks?
[03:45] <icarus81> this same drive was in a windows system not more than 2 hours ago
[03:45] <icarus81> with a ext4 driver on the system
[03:46] <akk> . o O ( I wonder if that's how it got corrupted? )
[03:47] <icarus81> it's possable
[03:47] <icarus81> http://www.ext2fsd.com/
[03:47] <icarus81> this is the driver I used
[03:49] <icarus81> well I am going to reboot and try windows. If it dosen't work I guess I will just copy it again. Thanks for your help
[04:06] <akk> If anybody's reading, interested in astronomy and has binoculars, train them on Venus right now (that's the really bright thing low in the west)
[04:06] <akk> and if you hold the binocs steady enough, you can see Uranus as a faint greenish dot to the left and a little down.
[04:06] <akk> (Mentioning it here because people here are in the right timezone, they haven't set yet.)
[04:47] <pleia2> neat (too bad I have no make-things-seem-closer devices!)
[04:48] <akk> darn
[04:50] <DonkeyHotei> my neck is in no condition to look outside; i got rear-ended AGAIN tonight
[04:50] <pleia2> yikes :(
[04:51] <DonkeyHotei> i don't want to pursue an injury claim this time; more trouble than it's worth. i'll just try to self-treat with the exercises the PT prescribed last time
[04:52] <DonkeyHotei> EureCA: seen em
[04:52] <EureCA> Factoid seen em not found
[04:53] <DonkeyHotei> oh right, not a supy
[19:28] <philipballew_> Can someone tell me where I would load grub onto if I am reinstalling grub?
[19:28] <akk> With grub2, generally it writes a little bit onto the MBR of the disk, and a whole bunch of stuff onto /boot/grub
[19:29] <akk> that's for grub-install ... if you're installing the grub package, that puts things in normal places like /usr and /etc and so forth.
[19:30] <philipballew_> yeah, bur i still have to pick a sda1,2 and so on? correct? like i have to pick the best one when i reinstall it to. I think it oringally had grub 95
[19:31] <akk> When you're partitioning you pick where /boot goes (or if it's part of /)
[19:32] <akk> and grub has to know about that (because it's mounted when you're running grub-install)
[19:32] <philipballew_> Well im actually trying to reinstall grub as grub boots into a prompt when I boot
[19:33] <philipballew_> because sda1 would be my live cd right? then is some weird windows partition, then I have my swap? on sda5
[19:34] <akk> Oh, you're trying to install grub from a liveCD, not from the running booted machine?
[19:34] <akk> Yeah, that's different.
[19:34] <philipballew_> okay, yeah, I cant boot into the hd :)
[19:35] <akk> And yes, you'll have to tell it which partition /boot is, and probably where you have / mounted that has all the grub info on it.
[19:35] <philipballew_> so I need to mount the internal harddrive, thats right
[19:36] <akk> y'know, back in the dawn of linux, installers always used to have a "boot from hard disk" option, for when the bootloader got messed up
[19:36] <akk> and it's a real loss that Ubuntu doesn't do that (I think fedora still does)
[19:36] <akk> Yes, you'll want the ubuntu partition on the internal hard drive mounted
[19:36] <akk> and probably also /boot if that's different
[19:36] <philipballew_> alright. ill do that
[19:37] <philipballew_> but before I mounted it, it would still show up in fdisk -l right akk ?
[19:37] <akk> right
[19:38] <philipballew_> yeah, but then what one would I mount. It seems that the drive has a weird table? http://pastebin.com/bHDQuRnT
[19:41] <akk> Looks like sda1 is the likely candidate, but it could be on sda2. Try mounting them both and see what's on them.
[19:43] <philipballew_> okay. just to mount with the filesystem type and see what happens.
[19:43] <akk> mount should be able to figure out the filesystem type, usually
[19:44] <philipballew_> mount /dev/sda1 says wrong fs type or bad supererblock. Might be a bad partition?
[19:44] <akk> Might be
[19:45] <philipballew_> that would explain why grub is having errors booting
[19:46] <akk> yes, definitely could
[19:46] <akk> maybe try fsck and see if it can figure anything out?
[19:47] <philipballew_> If i run that from the live cd it still checks the unmounted hd?
[19:47] <nhaines> Use testdisk to see if the partition table is corrupt.
[19:47] <nhaines> philipballew_: no, 'fsck' by itself doesn't do anything.  You have to tell it what filesystem to scan.
[19:49] <philipballew_> yeah, but do they need to be mounted nhaines ?
[19:50] <nhaines> philipballew_: they need to not be mounted.
[19:50] <akk> No, for fsck you don't want them mounted.
[19:50] <philipballew_> thats right
[19:52] <philipballew_> nice! I got a superblocck error
[19:52] <nhaines> Those aren't nice . :)
[19:54] <akk> Wow, this is just like last night, when someone else had a corrupted filesystem with a bad superblock
[19:54] <akk> but they'd been using it on windows with some ext4 driver add-on, which I suspect might have been the problem
[19:54] <philipballew_> should I clear the invalid journal?
[19:57] <akk> With fsck I usually say y to everything, unless the filesystem has really important data I need to recover
[19:57] <akk> then I consider making a dd backup just in case fsck messes something up
[19:57] <akk> (that's never actually happened to me, fsck has always done the right thing, but I'm paranoid sometimes)
[19:58] <philipballew_> alright, I made a image with like clonezilla last week so I am good there
[19:59] <akk> Good. Then you're probably safe saying y to everything.
[20:04] <philipballew_> this thing is pumping out errors. Must not be a happy partition
[20:04]  * philipballew_ considers just holding down y
[20:04] <akk> Try Y (capital) -- it might take that as "Y to everything", can't remember
[20:06] <philipballew_> no, ill pull up the man page again maybe
[20:06] <philipballew_> I recall capitol Y working a year or so ago
[20:10] <philipballew_> you just have to say fsck -y /dev/sdawhatever apparently
[20:11] <philipballew_> it fixed them. not to try it on sda2
[20:11] <nhaines> There are no file systems on sda2
[20:12] <philipballew_> thats right. sda1 finished. Maybe ill try to mount it now
[20:12] <philipballew_> it mounted
[20:13]  * philipballew_ figures out where it mounted
[20:25] <philipballew_> it mounts fine, but still boots into grub promt. ill look look at the directory and see if I need to reinstalol grub
[21:26] <philipballew_> Can I figure out what distro a system is from looking at the file system easily
[21:26] <broder> uh, /etc/lsb-release is a good place to start
[21:26] <broder> i believe that's fairly cross-distro
[21:27] <broder> debian and its derivates have /etc/debian_version
[21:27] <philipballew_> alright. need to make sure what i am running brfore i try to chroot into it
[21:27] <broder> i think redhat/fedora/centos and its derivatives generally have /etc/redhat_version or something like that
[21:27] <broder> not all distributions change those files, though - e.g. i think mint doesn't
[21:29]  * philipballew_ wonders if mint changes anything :)
[21:30] <philipballew_> yeah, im trying to find errors in this hd. I think all the files in etc appear to be gone. I might try to reinstall all together
[21:31] <philipballew_> or errors in the syetem
[21:38] <philipballew_> yay! the system is broken!!!!
[21:40] <akk> Unfortunately /etc/lsb-release isn't very cross-distro, but it does work on ubuntu.
[21:41] <broder> is it just the lsb_release command that's supposed to be cross-distro?
[21:42] <akk> I think they're both *supposed* to be, except nobody but ubuntu actually agrees with that.
[21:42] <akk> (haven't checked fedora, but debian and arch don't have it)
[21:43] <broder> ...really? i would have sworn lsb-release at least was a debian invention
[21:44] <broder> or at least that ubuntu inherited its implementation
[21:46] <broder> oh, nope. debian has an lsb_release, but does it completely differently
[21:46] <akk> Just checked debian squeeze: it has an empty directory called /etc/lsb-base, nothing else matching /etc/lsb*
[21:46] <broder> debian's lsb_release looks at your apt configuration to figure out what version you're on
[21:46] <akk> Oh, hey, it does have the lsb_release binary, though.
[21:48] <akk> So you can find out what you're running if you're running it, but not by just examining the filesystem.
[21:48] <akk> I would so love to see a standard file, like /etc/version, that all distros used, so you could tell which filesystem was which.
[22:00] <nhaines> I could go for /etc/conf/make_it_work
[22:45] <nhaines> http://brucebyfield.com/2012/02/10/reducing-anxiety-in-public-speaking/
[22:45] <pleia2> vodka
[22:46] <nhaines> haha!  :D
[22:47] <pleia2> interesting that he doesn't talk to people, I find talking to people before the talk helps (gets my mind off of it, so relaxes me)
[22:47] <nhaines> I find that talk time means I can't prepare any longer, but I like to greet people as they enter, etc.
[22:48] <pleia2> practicing my talk 10+ times is what has helped with anxiety the most
[22:48] <pleia2> it was nice when I learned that even accomplished speakers spend 8+ hours practicing :)
[22:50] <nhaines> Oh yeah.  :)  I never seem to get around to practicing straight through more than twice, but I'll practice sections.
[22:51] <pleia2> yeah, I'll take a 20 minute break from work and practice a bit at a time
[23:07] <akk> I'm not sure practice helps with nervousness, but it sure helps with delivering the talk.


[00:52] <BuntuTech> hi
[00:55] <T1960CT> Hello, booting lubuntu always takes a while on my computer cause it seems to do the Grub timeout even though there is no Grub to show cause it's the only OS on the laptop, I've tried tinkering with the Grub file and it doesnt really change much. I hit the enter key in what I suspect is the Grub and it gave me a weird blinking line at the top left o
[00:55] <T1960CT> f my screen then Lubuntu booted with a baby blue background. Any ideas on how to remove the approximately 10 second wait time before it actually boots?
[01:01] <BuntuTech> hi T1960CT
[01:02] <T1960CT> Hello
[01:04] <T1960CT> BuntuTech: would you be able to help me?
[01:04] <BuntuTech> i see someone asking a similar question in a ubuntu forum page i do not know if this will help you or not but while you are waiting you might want to read this
[01:04] <BuntuTech> http://askubuntu.com/questions/148095/how-do-i-set-the-grub-timeout-and-the-grub-default-boot-entry
[01:05] <BuntuTech> before making changes you should wait for one of the better lubuntu support people - i am still learning
[01:06] <T1960CT> I'll give it a go anyway, I still have a bootable USB that I can use to repair anything that may get damaged :)
[01:07] <BuntuTech> are you all backed up?
[01:08] <T1960CT> No but it's a pretty new install and there isn't much on it that I care about yet, I have all that on my Desktop
[01:10] <BuntuTech> o
[01:10] <BuntuTech> im on lubuntu on a VM
[01:10] <BuntuTech> im really enjoying it
[01:11] <T1960CT> It doesnt even seem to have a Grub menu at all though, after commenting out the GRUB_HIDDEN lines and pressing the arrow keys in the "grub" it shows me weird escape characters lol what the heck is going on
[01:11] <ianorlin> are you sure that isn't your bios?
[01:11] <T1960CT> I dont know what it could be in my BIOS that would do that
[01:12] <T1960CT> Someone mentioned VT-d but my CPU doesnt support it
[01:12] <ianorlin> or it might be something that it hasn't finished loading
[01:12] <BuntuTech> was that machine ever set up as a dual boot?
[01:13] <T1960CT> Yeah but when I installed I told it to use the whole disk
[01:20] <T1960CT> BuntuTech: When I'm in my VM for it it doesnt do the 10 seconds
[01:20] <BuntuTech> well when u installed in the VM you probably did a normal install
[01:21] <T1960CT> Yep
[01:21] <BuntuTech> it sounds like you did somethin a bit different here
[01:21] <ianorlin> I think it starts a terminal and stuff when booting and doesn't have a GUI yet
[01:22] <ianorlin> it is just that it doesn't fly by you
[01:22] <T1960CT> I doubt it ianorlin cause after that the boot screen comes up and I can "esc" to see that it is just starting
[01:22] <T1960CT> It really feels like the Grub is there but not doing anything
[01:23] <ianorlin> yeah grub is sitll the bootloader and always there
[01:25] <T1960CT> I think I'll just wipe and reinstall but format the disk first just to see if it'll help
[01:26] <ianorlin> grub is always there
[01:27] <T1960CT> Yeah no I know that but I had other OSs on there first and didnt properly format when installing Lubuntu so I think the bootloader is confused
[01:27] <BuntuTech> thats what i was thinking u did
[01:28] <T1960CT> So how would I properly format it with Gparted in the LiveCD ?
[01:28] <T1960CT> Just delete all the partitions and format it?
[01:29] <T1960CT> See booting from the USB didnt do the 10seconds, it just went right in
[01:29] <BuntuTech> as long as you remove all partitions rebuild them and formnat u should be fine with any tool or from the lubuntu installer
[01:30] <T1960CT> Alright, nothing special then
[01:30] <BuntuTech> i recenty exeprimented with dban and it was great
[01:30] <BuntuTech> but i wont tell someone else to use it
[01:31] <T1960CT> Hehe I like DBAM but it has given me problems before
[01:31] <T1960CT> DBAN*
[01:31] <BuntuTech> ive heard it can
[01:31] <T1960CT> Nuke not Muke lol
[01:31] <BuntuTech> i had done a number of installs on this one HDD and i used to purposely download serious malware and kill it
[01:32] <BuntuTech> so i nuked it and reinstalled one day
[01:32] <T1960CT> Lol DBAN will seriously bomb everything, I bet there was no problems with any residue on your disk ;)
[01:33] <BuntuTech> no the install i did after went perfect but i must admit i was wondering if it would somehow harm the drive
[01:33] <T1960CT> Hahaha
[01:34] <BuntuTech> i just did the standard clean i think it was 7 passes or something
[01:34] <holstein> not want to do that these days.. malware can infect the bios
[01:34] <BuntuTech> yes  i know
[01:34] <T1960CT> Yep, or the first sector of your drive
[01:34] <holstein> T1960CT: have you ran smart tests on the drive? does a live CD boot and run as expected on the hardware?
[01:36] <T1960CT> Yep, everything runs smoothly when booting from USB and other distros work fine off HDD, I think the bootloader is just cluttered cause I had Deepin, Linux Mint 17 and Windows all in there at one point, then didnt format and installed Lubuntu on the whole drive
[01:36] <holstein> T1960CT: check the boot loader
[01:36] <holstein> or, just reinstall grub..
[01:36] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[01:36] <T1960CT> Yeah I'm looking into that now to see
[01:38] <T1960CT> I'm actually just reinstalling cause I've been tampering with a lot to see what it does, I should mount it to "/" right?
[01:38] <T1960CT> for the mount point in the installer
[01:39] <holstein> T1960CT: i would just do the defaults. i would wipe, and do a default installation
[01:40] <T1960CT> Yes but in the partition manager when creating a new partition the mount point would be "/" Right?
[01:40] <holstein> [B[B[B[Bt	dont
[01:40] <T1960CT> What?
[01:40] <holstein> T1960CT: just use the defaults.. let the installer do it all
[01:41] <T1960CT> I did that last time and it left clutter in the bootloader :P
[01:41] <holstein> T1960CT: i dont think so
[01:41] <holstein> T1960CT: if you wipe the drive, or tell the installer to use the entire drive, then you will have only the one OS for grub to find
[01:42] <T1960CT> It still showed the options for the other 3 OS's in there
[01:42] <T1960CT> Along with Lubuntu
[01:42] <holstein> T1960CT: i mean, manually partition if you want or need, but, if you can, remove yourself from the euqation as well
[01:42] <holstein> T1960CT: then, the disk wasnt clean, and you didnt tell the installer to use the entire disk.. or, you didnt install grub properly
[01:43] <T1960CT> It was just to format the drive, I deleted all the partitions and formated it, but it needed a primary partition so that is what I did this time
[01:43] <holstein> T1960CT: you shouldnt need to.. you should literally be ablt to start the installer, and let it install to the disk..
[01:43] <holstein> T1960CT: i suggest you try that, so that you are not doing any fancy partitioning that may be causing your issue
[01:44] <holstein> T1960CT: you, theoretically, should be able to insatll *buntu and not know anything about partitions or partitioning
[01:45] <T1960CT> I know, I've done it before, that is what I did last time and it left clutter, I dont know what else to tell you, that is what it did when I selected "Use whole disk"
[01:45] <T1960CT> It just left junk in there
[01:46] <holstein> T1960CT: i really dont think so.. *if* the drive was properly wiped, there would be no "clutter"
[01:46] <holstein> you could have had grub installed somewhere, and then tried to install somewhere else..
[01:46] <T1960CT> That is what I'm saying, I didnt wipe the disk before using the installer, I just left it as it was and during the installation I told it to use the whole disk
[01:46] <T1960CT> I didnt format before that
[01:47] <holstein> regardless, i would just wipe the drive. make sure its wiped.. test it while its wiped.. long tests that take over an hour.. make sure its good and wiped.. check it for grub.. then, fresh install and try and do that as default as possible
[01:47] <holstein> if you have issue with the lubuntu installer.. try..
[01:47] <holstein> !mini
[01:48] <T1960CT> If it causes me problems after this install I'll check it out
[01:48] <holstein> check what out?
[01:48] <T1960CT> Mini
[01:49] <holstein> or, just reinstall grub.. with the other link i gave..
[01:49] <T1960CT> Or that :3
[01:50] <holstein> i would do that before re-installation, if i knew that the drive had been setup properly
[01:51] <T1960CT> I like that Lubuntu comes with Abiword and not Open Office, I prefer Abiword :)
[01:51] <holstein> both are in the default ubuntu repositories.. you can add or remove either or both from any *buntu
[01:52] <holstein> libreoffice is the one you are probably referencing..
[01:52] <T1960CT> Yeah I know but out of the box is what I like, I have traded OO for Abi before on other distros but it's one less thing to do after installing :)
[01:52] <T1960CT> Oh yeah Libre office, I never use it anymore lol
[01:52] <T1960CT> not Open office
[01:53] <holstein> you probably want the mini, then.. then you can add what you want
[11:47] <BuntuTech> hello
[11:52] <BuntuTech> i need to talk to rafael
[11:56] <nmsm> hi everyone
[11:57] <nmsm> does anyone experience any troubles creating a bootable stick fo the daily image?
[11:57] <nmsm> already tried with dd and usb-creator-gtk
[13:41] <BuntuTech> i have failed at that myself but i probably did it wrong
[18:29] <Boscop> HELP, why do i get this error? "bash: cannot create temp file for here-document: No space left on device." I have lots of free space
[18:30] <holstein> Boscop: what are you trying to do?
[18:31] <Boscop> holstein, i'm pressing tab in the terminal to auto-complete
[18:32] <holstein> Boscop: i mean, "big-picture" what you are trying to do
[18:54] <ianorlin> boscop does df -h show the disk is full?
[18:55] <Boscop> holstein, ianorlin: http://pastebin.com/DKFmM6Nc
[18:56] <Boscop> but why? in system monitor it says there are still 489.1 MB free on /, but 0 available
[18:56] <Boscop> how can that be?
[18:57] <testdr> Boscop: this can be the minimum reserved for root/admin-usage on the root-filesystem.
[18:57] <ianorlin> system monitor might not be free but 489.1 MB isn't much free space
[18:57] <Boscop> it should be enough
[18:58] <ianorlin> yeah but it can fill up with kernel updates
[18:59] <testdr> 500MB ist like nothing - some new kernel and big-packets updates and some more logs and it is gone
[18:59] <Boscop> so what should i delete?
[19:00] <testdr> Boscop: if you know what you are doing, you can change the reserved-blocks-count for the root-filesystem with the tool:  tune2fs   (check the manpage and dont cry if it may run full in some month and suddenly block your system)
[19:00] <Boscop> can i resize the partition?
[19:01] <ianorlin> should backup before doing that
[19:01] <Boscop> ianorlin, yeah but will it work?
[19:01] <ianorlin> I haven't tried it but it should
[19:01] <Boscop> with gparted?
[19:01] <testdr> Boscop: normaly not - and only from another system while the root-filesystem is not in use - except you have lvm (but you should know more about it)
[19:02] <Boscop> i have lvm
[19:02] <Boscop> how can i check which files use the most space? with baobab i can't select partitions, just folders
[19:04] <testdr> Boscop: if you have some updates in your system - normaly there are more than 2-3 older kernels - you can remove those with the paket-manager (like synaptic etc.).
[19:06] <Boscop> testdr, i just installed 2 days ago
[19:07] <Boscop> but i used the system as root the first few days and created / downloaded some files
[19:07] <Boscop> but i don't remember which ones
[19:07] <Boscop> how can i check which files use the most space?
[19:12] <testdr> Boscop: only one example:  http://ask.xmodulo.com/find-biggest-files-directories-linux.html
[19:13] <forthewin> hi, my 256mb ram laptop couldnt handle xbmc it crashed and said not enough resources. Wishful thinking?
[19:19] <Boscop> testdr, gparted says: linux unified key setup encryption is not yet supported. wtf?
[19:27] <Jordan_U> Boscop: Exactly that, GParted doesn't support LUKS, which you are apparently using for device level encryption.
[19:27] <Boscop> yea
[19:27] <Boscop> seems like i need a live cd: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResizeEncryptedPartitions
[19:43] <Boscop> testdr, Jordan_U: it seems /usr/share/doc takes up like 1GB. how can i disable all doc and man pages? (i never use them, i usually google)
[19:44] <Boscop> texlive-latex-extra-doc is 400 MB alone
[19:44] <Boscop> can i just delete the folder?
[19:44] <Boscop> how can i disable it for software that's installed in the future
[19:44] <testdr> Boscop: you should delete the packages -- use your favourite gui-tool or apt-get
[19:45] <Boscop> how to only remove the doc from everything?
[20:01] <holstein> Boscop: sounds like you have some things misconfigured.. maybe larger log files. i would try and address the issue, or remove what you are not using
[20:02] <holstein> !luks
[20:02] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FullDiskEncryptionHowto
[20:03] <Boscop> holstein, locale is taking up 420 MB too. can i just delete its contents too?
[20:03] <holstein> Boscop: what im suggest is, that you look into why that is so large.. what is causing that to get so large
[20:04] <Boscop> i only use english
[20:04] <Boscop> holstein, i did, using baobab
[20:04] <Boscop> disk usage analyzer
[20:04] <holstein> Boscop: ok.. so, what is causing it to get so large?
[20:04] <holstein> not, what did you use to determine what is so large..
[20:04] <Boscop> /usr is the largest folder with 6.1 GB
[20:05] <Boscop> in that, share is the largest
[20:05] <Boscop> 3.5 gb
[20:05] <holstein> ok
[20:05] <holstein> Boscop: what is causing locale to be so large?
[20:05] <Boscop> all the strings
[20:05] <Boscop> for different langs
[20:05] <holstein> Boscop: what iso did you use to install? the stock lubuntu 32bit 14.04?
[20:06] <Boscop> yeah
[20:06] <Boscop> in locale, the space usage is evenly distributed
[20:06] <Boscop> between all the langs
[20:06] <Boscop> but i don't need those


 heh :)
 Ok, here goes nothing. If I get in trouble for doing the right thing, then I get in trouble for doing the right thing. "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead." Mypaint is returning to Ubuntu Studio.
[17:22] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: where would we save feature requests for -controls?
[17:23] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: A: log window B: include adevices.sh
[17:23] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Those wouild be bug reports.
[17:23] <Eickmeyer[m]> Marked "wishlist".
[17:24] <Eickmeyer> Of course Matrix is being flaky this morning.
[17:38] <OvenWerks> and C: make default PCH (if it exists) rather than 0,0,0
[17:39] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, that could even be a bugfix if you can get that in before final freeze.
[17:39] <OvenWerks> Nope...
[17:40] <Eickmeyer> Wishful thinking. Hence, wishlist. :)
[17:40] <Eickmeyer> I'm just surprised I managed to get Mypaint back in the seed and metas without getting keelhauled.
[17:41] <OvenWerks> ubuntu-bug will not let me bug -controls
[17:42] <Eickmeyer> Just throw it in here if it's a wishlist item: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-controls
[17:43] <Eickmeyer> Really, we need to transition it to github for the unbranding.
[17:52] <OvenWerks> Hmmm, but then it would have "Issues"  :P
[17:57] <Eickmeyer> hehehe


[03:22] <ChinnoDog> aaaargh. Spend half an hour trying to figure out why my new vps won't download packages from a PPA only to discover launchpad is down
[03:37] <rmg51> silly doggie
[03:38] <ChinnoDog> launchpad needs mirrors
[04:16] <jthan> For why?
[04:20] <ChinnoDog> Because so many depend on it and it is inconvenient when it goes down.
[04:25] <TheLordOfTime> ChinnoDog: um... but when the datacenters all go *fizzle* with the power, that's out of their hands?
[04:25] <TheLordOfTime> probably isn't cheap to run the servers, mirroring it would, what, double the costs?
[04:26] <ChinnoDog> People donate mirrors
[04:26] <ChinnoDog> Does Canonical pay anyone to mirror the Ubuntu repositories?
[04:47] <jthan> Man.
[10:41] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:41] <JonathanD> and finally upgrading.
[10:49] <jedijf> bside'ing
[10:53] <JonathanD> :D
[10:53] <JonathanD> 2 week down at the new job
[11:03] <rmg51> Morning
[11:20] <JonathanD> Hey rmg51 how goes?
[11:20] <rmg51> goes alright at the moment
[11:20] <rmg51> just getting ready to go shopping
[11:21] <JonathanD> Pick me up some socks.
[11:23] <rmg51> that will have to wait till later when I go to Target
[11:23] <rmg51> Acme first
[21:35] <ChinnoDog> Canada++


[14:13] <sebner1> hi, is there a known issuse with intel gm 915 and kernel intrepid?
[14:33] <BenC> sebner1: it's better to mention your probably then to ask if there is a problem
[14:34] <sebner1> BenC: my sisters laptop has a intel gma 915 and with hardy and a intrepid kernel it's not booting everytime. sometimes it`'s "No Screens found". but just with the updated kernel. if I also update xorg the same remains
[14:38] <BenC> sebner1: /var/log/Xorg.0.log and dmesg would be helpful
[14:44] <amitk> sebner1: by 'not booting', do you mean the X doesn't start?
[14:45] <BenC> amitk: that's the assumption I was going on :)
[14:55] <sebner1> amitk: yes but I solved the issuse. it is a kernel issuse. disable usplash solves it.
[14:57] <johanbr> Booting Intrepid with splash usually (but not always) makes my Dell 1420 go haywire. The splash never appears and the speaker starts beeping like crazy. Is this known?
[14:58] <johanbr> Booting the hardy kernel behaves the same way, so it looks related to the intrepid usplash rather than the intrepid kernel.
[15:01] <BenC> amitk: that was terrible unhelpful...I would have liked to have actually fixed that
[15:03] <BenC> smb_tp: I'll ACK that amd SB700 hpet patch in kernel-team@ for hardy
[15:03] <BenC> smb_tp: and I'll pull it in for intrepid
[15:06] <smb_tp> BenC, It looks safe enough. At least only having effect on a specific hw.
[15:07] <smb_tp> BenC, I was not sure Hardy was targetted
[15:10] <johanbr> To answer my own question, yes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/253399/
[15:25] <amitk> BenC: despair not... I can reproduce it on my laptop. Just upgraded kernel-only to Intrepid. With splash, I only get a blank screen. On disabling splash, everything works.
[15:38] <BenC> amitk: are you using any video= or vga= cmdline options?
[15:38] <BenC> amitk: does installing v86d fix things?
[15:41] <amitk> BenC: no video= or vga=
[15:41] <amitk> i guess v86d is an intrepid-only package..
[15:48] <BenC> it is, and you'll need latest initramfs-tools to go with it
[15:50] <amitk> BenC: will have to wait a bit, I lost wireless (3945) on the upgrade.
[15:53] <BenC> amitk: update linux-restricted-modules-common to get the firmware
[15:53] <amitk> hmm... /lib/firmware/<kernel-version> wasn't created
[15:54] <amitk> BenC: ack, just discovered ^
[15:55] <BenC> amitk: right, because it's all general in /lib/firmware/ now (not kernel version specific)
[16:23] <fransman>  I have build a Ubuntu kernel for a Cobalt Raq server box. It has only ttyS0 as output, so no tty's/no video but that's ok for testing. The kernel is booting in a second stage fired-up by a embedded kernel. This all goes nice. But it look's like this new kernel is less verbose at startup.
[16:23] <fransman> it show only booting kernel... Ubuntu intrepid (development branch) deblnxsrv15 ttyS0 deblnxsrv15 login:
[16:23] <fransman> what do I've got to do to get it more verbose?
[16:25] <amitk> BenC: installing v86d solves the problem
[16:26] <BenC> amitk: interesting...I'd say that's a bug in uvesafb if it causes that problem without v86d installed
[16:27] <BenC> fransman: remove "quiet" from the kernel cmdline
[16:28] <fransman> BenC: It's a Linux server box that does not boot with Grub
[16:28] <fransman> So there is no quiet in the boot line
[16:28] <BenC> fransman: you have to be passing some sort of cmdline to the new kernel no matter how you boot (even with kexec), so check that cmdline
[16:29] <BenC> fransman: or try console=ttyS0
[16:29] <fransman> It does already boot with command line: 'console=ttyS0,115200 debug ip=off '
[16:30] <fransman> But it does not more then pasted
[16:30] <BenC> fransman: then I'm at a loss
[16:32] <fransman> but we will find out in the next day's for sure
[16:32] <fransman> thanks for your support BenC:
[16:32] <BenC> fransman: np, let me know how things go
[16:33] <fransman> I do
[16:36] <amitk> fransman: does the box have BIOS over serial?
[16:36] <fransman> yes
[16:37] <fransman> so it show boot state 0 and 1, but it's less verbose on the kernel in 2
[16:38] <mpt> I have a reproducible kernel panic when running the Intrepid alpha 3 live CD inside VirtualBox. Where should I report it, and with what information?
[16:40] <amitk> fransman: Was something changed in the bios?
[16:40] <fransman> no please
[16:41] <fransman> we are hacking linux not bioses
[16:42] <amitk> fransman: I meant changing bios options :)
[16:42] <fransman> In this box you can not change bios options
[16:43] <fransman> there is even no bios screen
[16:43] <fransman> it all embedded
[16:43] <fransman> build on linux
[16:45] <fransman> (for the boot-process i mean)
[17:13] <abogani> Is it meeting time?
[17:13] <abogani> What is the last useful day for push a custom kernel flavour in Universe?
[17:13] <amitk> abogani: a new flavour not covered by the ports package?
[17:14] <BenC> Sorry, meeting is now
[17:14]  * BenC got caught up in 2.6.27
[17:14] <abogani> amitk: No the "old" -rt kernel flavour...
[17:16] <BenC> I don't have much in the way of topics for this meeting...Intrepid is moving along, now is a good time for testing (kernel has settled)
[17:16] <amitk> abogani: ASAP, we are getting close to Alpha4 :)
[17:17] <BenC> abogani, amitk: Actually universe freeze is way later than the rest of the dist (somewhere around beta?)...as long as no one wants CD's with -rt on it :)
[17:18] <abogani> BenC: I'm the only man on the planet that would be happy to see a Ubuntu LiveCD with -rt kernel.... :)
[17:19] <BenC> abogani: what about ubuntu-studio?
[17:22] <BenC> Ok, so as far as agenda's go...let's just open the floor to some general questions/comments :)
[17:22] <abogani> BenC:  Sorry I'm very busy with build system of the -rt kernel flavour and i'm not informed about Ubuntu Studio status except that Cory hope to have the kernel asap.
[17:22] <BenC> Anyone have any questions about intrepid kernel, features and such?
[17:22] <BenC> abogani: ok
[17:26] <BenC> Ok...guess we'll call this meeting...if anyone has anything they would like to discuss, please feel free to ask
[17:26] <abogani> BenC: What i'll do when i have a working rt kernel source package? Should i put it on REVU? Or pass it to an UKT member (that is canonical employer)?
[17:26] <BenC> abogani: REVU
[17:28] <abogani> shudder
[17:58] <abogani> soren: Is it possible create an intrepid vm with ubuntu-vm-builder on hardy?
[22:02] <abogani> Compiling Intrepid kernel on updated intrepid obtain:
[22:04] <abogani> make: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/linux-rt-2.6.26-1.0/debian/build/build-rt'
[22:04] <abogani>  CHK     include/linux/version.h
[22:04] <abogani> CHK     include/linux/utsrelease.hc
[22:04] <abogani> CALL    scripts/checksyscalls.sh
[22:04] <abogani> CHK     include/linux/compile.h
[22:04] <abogani> CC      arch/x86/mm/pageattr.o
[22:05] <abogani> arch/x86/mm/pageattr.c: In function 'try_preserve_large_page':
[22:05] <abogani> arch/x86/mm/pageattr.c:307: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
[22:05] <abogani> Please submit a full bug report,
[22:05] <abogani> with preprocessed source if appropriate.
[22:05] <abogani> See <file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-4.3/README.Bugs> for instructions.
[22:05] <abogani> make[1]: *** [arch/x86/mm/pageattr.o] Error 1
[22:05] <abogani> make: *** [arch/x86/mm] Error 2
[22:05] <abogani> Any clue?
[22:05] <abogani> doko, ^
[22:18] <amitk> BenC: from uvesafb documentation:
[22:18] <amitk> Note that the v86d userspace helper has to be available at all times in
[22:18] <amitk> +order for uvesafb to work properly.  If you want to use uvesafb during
[22:18] <amitk> +early boot, you will have to include v86d into an initramfs image, and
[22:18] <amitk> +either compile it into the kernel or use it as an initrd.
[22:32] <BenC> amitk: I know that part
[22:32] <BenC> amitk: but uvesafb not working shouldn't mean it destroys the video
[22:33] <mjg59> Is vga= being passed at the command line?
[22:34] <mjg59> Because, if so, grub's probably programming a mode
[22:35] <amitk> mjg59: no vga= or video= is being passed.
[22:38] <amitk> ohh.. and it seems to mess up resume too. I see the pointer for a bit, then blank screen, just like on login with splash enabled
[22:54] <Ng> anyone about with a 4965 wireless chip? it takes ages to connect to wireless on resume, but normally it connects really quickly. If I poke it to try a new connection after resume it's pretty quick too
[22:56] <mjg59> I think that's just n-m taking its time to rescan
[22:59] <Ng> hmm


[06:18] <JaySee> Hi, can anyone help in configuring multiple NIC on ubuntu 18.04 with netplan. I am not able to connect to server using all NIC except where gateway is configured. My config --> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/x4JQWynPQ7/
[07:45] <RoyK> JaySee: looks ok - what are eth[123] connected to?
[07:47] <RoyK> JaySee: not directly related, but why don't you choose something like 10.2.[22,23,24,25].x instead of changing both the second and the third octet?
[08:00] <JaySee> @RoyK: eth0 and eth1 are connected one switch and eth2 and eth3 are connected to another switch (both are dell). All these switches are connected in spine leaf topology. second octet represents the eth port and third octet represents the leaf (switch) to which the node (server) is connected. This is existing topology, just wanted to follow the same.
[08:01] <RoyK> JaySee: do you mean eth0 and eth1 are on the same subnet/VLAN?
[08:33] <JaySee> @Royk: they are in different subnet , but they are on same switch
[08:43] <RoyK> JaySee: different VLANs?
[08:43] <JaySee> yes
[08:44] <RoyK> so what is it that doesn't work?
[08:44] <JaySee> I can not connect to server using SSH on eth1/eth2/eth3
[08:46] <JaySee> If i change the gateway from eth0 and configure gateway of the eth1 or eth2 ... I can connect, but I am not able to use all the eth ports to connect to the server
[08:46] <RoyK> can you ping the server from a host on the other networks?
[08:47] <JaySee> No. I am not able to ping as well.
[09:13] <icey> hey jamespage - coreycb asked me to check in with you regarding my stable/queens changes to nova (https://code.launchpad.net/~chris.macnaughton/ubuntu/+source/nova/+git/nova) - specifically regarding fix-overcommit-for-NUMA-based-instances.patch
[09:14] <icey> specifically, the idea that the upstream change to queens got a -1: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/726868/
[14:51] <johnallen-amd> I've got a guy here at AMD who's running into a failure when installing 20.04 server over PXE. Could just be a problem with our PXE server, but we don't have enough information yet. Can anyone provide some guidance on gathering logs in the event of a failed installation?
[16:01] <powersj> johnallen-amd, https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/reporting-problems
[16:02] <powersj> that should get you a few things to start looking to provide
[16:42] <johnallen-amd> Thanks, powersj. I'll start there.
[18:03] <elge> meow there.  any idea why netplan wouldnt work?  I have a clean configuration, I have netplan.io package installed, it points to renderer networkd, and I do netplan generate and apply w/o success.  any idea?
[18:11] <elge> Oops, I had the wrong extension in /etc/netplan/, config should end with .yaml not .cfg, sorry.
[18:12] <sarnold> elge: woot, thanks for reporting back :)
[18:39] <teward> elge: glad that was a simple fix


[17:55] <wt> Anyone here know how to run the tests in the upstart sources?
[17:55] <wt> make test didn't work
[17:55] <ion> make check IIRC
[17:56] <wt> indeed...thanks
[17:57] <wt> is there any way to disable dbus support?
[18:08] <ion> dbus-the-protocol or dbus-the-daemon?
[18:08] <ion> As for the former, *why*? As for the latter, just don’t use dbus-the-daemon.


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[19:11] <jbicha> Eickmeyer: please do not sync those GNOME packages. Those use libadwaita and we don't want them for 22.04
[19:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-sound-recorder (jammy-proposed/universe) [40.0-4 => 42.0-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[19:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-sound-recorder [sync] (jammy-proposed) [42.0-1]
[19:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> jbicha: Well, they don't work in 22.04 correctly, so I thought I was doing a favor.
[19:12] <jbicha> Eickmeyer[m]: no, it was intentional
[19:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> Theming is completely wrong.
[19:12] <jbicha> yes, the theming will be wrong if we take the "switch to gtk4 + libadwaita" updates
[19:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> Then let's go ahead and reject both gnome-clocks and gnome-weather.
[19:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> jbicha: Then we need to do something to make the dark themes take, because right now they don't.
[19:15] <jbicha> Eickmeyer[m]: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-22-04-lts-dark-style-changes/27206
[19:16] <jbicha> Eickmeyer[m]: whatever GTK app you're using to set a dark theme probably needs to set gsettings org.gnome.desktop.interface color-scheme 'prefer-dark'
[19:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> jbicha: The only problems I've found with that have been gnome-clocks and gnome-wether.
[19:17] <jbicha> (and then you can set it as 'default' for your light theme)
[19:18] <jbicha> please file bugs for that and you can subscribe me to them
[19:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> jbicha: Ok, sounds good.
[19:19] <Eickmeyer[m]> jbicha: And my bad, it seems to only be gnome-weather that's having the issue.
[19:19] <jbicha> yes, I see the issue. Filing a bug will help me :)
[19:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> jbicha: you got it.
[19:48] <jbicha> thanks 🙂
[22:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: moka-icon-theme (jammy-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1 => <IP_ADDRESS>-1] (personal-fossfreedom, ubuntu-budgie) (sync)
[23:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: brlaser (jammy-proposed/main) [6-2build1 => 6-3] (desktop-core) (sync)
[23:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: openssh (bionic-proposed/main) [1:7.6p1-4ubuntu0.6 => 1:7.6p1-4ubuntu0.7] (core)
[23:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: openssh (focal-proposed/main) [1:8.2p1-4ubuntu0.4 => 1:8.2p1-4ubuntu0.5] (core, i386-whitelist)


[09:14] <ariabbas> ...
[10:20] <Warrens> ariabbas: hi
[10:42] <ariabbas> thank
[10:42] <ariabbas> hi you too
[10:43] <ariabbas> sorry for my late answer
[10:43] <ariabbas> ho are you and i think that you going well


[20:02] <hatch> Makyo jcsackett if you guys are around, mind taking a look at the comments from the Ghost blog charm review and lemme know what you think


[00:42] <cscheib_> did I catch a niner in there?
[11:57] <rick_h_> party
[12:37] <jrwren> good morning
[12:45] <_stink_> yo
[13:14] <cmaloney> morning and all that.
[13:15] <cmaloney> Yay, Dell shipped... the HDMI to VGA Adapter.
[13:15] <cmaloney> Wonder if I should stay home for that... :)
[23:53] <cmaloney> EVeining


[02:28] <bazhang> bruenig is still banned?
[03:25] <bazhang> maco, :)
[04:59] <ubot3> In ubot3, songliang said: what is you name??
[05:28] <bazhang> nightshade is suggesting some wildly inappropriate methods for getting hw id
[06:27] <bazhang> he seems to outright trolling in -ot now
[06:29] <mneptok> he threatened to "hack the channel" and take it over earlier.
[06:29] <mneptok> (in #u)
[06:29] <bazhang> I caught the tail end of that; now he is recommending some nasty stuff in -ot
[06:29] <mneptok> he was displeased that ops were not as fast to respond as he wants
[08:14] <MenZa> !currentissues
[08:14] <MenZa> :\
[09:17] <elky> mneptok, i missed most of that i imagine...
[09:17] <mneptok> i warned him a few times about off-topicness and such
[09:18] <mneptok> the language was the last straw. but just a kick.
[09:18] <elky> the nick is familiar to me, so...
[10:16] <Xcell> as we all know.. ##politics is and has been out of control.. that being said. please re-alocate control to the proper control as that it can be controlled. I realize  that it is difficult to be controlled through subjugated  authority as being said.     that being said.. please allocate proper authority so as that it mightbe authoritized properly.. the present authority is and has not been authorative in both nature and morale.. id like to see.. me
[10:16] <Xcell> as well as any one allocated to be capable  to be able to such tasks.. subsequently  swooly is not and has not been willfully up to the task.please update all tasks to me and or allocated persons.... please check logs for further informations
[10:17] <Xcell> thank you for your time and efforts
[10:18] <Xcell> yes.. its a crappy room.. bu t its a time saver. and has assets
[10:19] <Xcell> im sorry to post such nonsense  but i have the muscle to make this room .. being you folks give me the allocation.
[10:20] <Xcell> just give me the go ahead.. and ill make this room work.. thank you.
[10:20] <Xcell> trust me.
[10:20] <Xcell> I dont play games.
[10:20] <Xcell> nuff said.
[10:21] <Xcell> ill make this room an asset
[10:21] <Xcell> I dont play
[10:22] <Xcell> I believe in conformity.. the right way\
[10:23] <Xcell> its about time freenode made its game right
[10:23] <Xcell> rock on people..
[10:23] <Xcell> I (can) make the room work.. just give me the chance
[10:24] <Xcell> of cource allot of people say this
[10:24] <Xcell> just do it
[10:24] <Xcell> im out.. u know me.. mail me.  im out
[10:37] <Xcell> I guess everyone is out
[10:39] <Xcell> look folks.. im like you.. to tell the truth.. but lets be plain.. some can and some willfully cant.. lets giggy with it.
[10:39] <tsimpson> Xcell: we don't have anything to do with ##politics
[10:39] <tsimpson> and you are struggling to make sense
[10:40] <Xcell> tsimpson-  tell me.. if i have to ill make an exceptional monetary inception.. lets consolidate this situation.. thanks.
[10:41] <tsimpson> as I said, we have nothing to do with it, so consolidation in this particular instance or instances similar to will be unable to be done in this way
[10:42] <Xcell> its not about opinionb.. as politics has it.. and im sorry its got this far.. pretty sad as it goes.. im sorry to havs to complain
[10:42] <Xcell> opinion**
[10:43] <Xcell> im so sorry
[10:43] <tsimpson> if you have issue with one of the channels outside of the authority for the Ubuntu community please take it to the appropriate authorities. namely those responsible for the specific channel or those for the network
[10:43] <tsimpson> ie: #freenode
[10:43] <Xcell> and thpse would be?
[10:43] <Xcell> those
[10:44] <tsimpson> best place to ask is in #freenode
[10:44] <Xcell> please dont brush me off.. who might that be?
[10:52] <tsimpson> Xcell: if you have no further issues here, we have a policy of no idling, which means that we would like you to /part
[10:54] <bazhang> weird
[10:56] <tsimpson> can't be sure, but I'm guessing they speak a quite "elaborate" language, which does not translate well to english
[10:57] <tsimpson> though I was unsure if they were just trying to confuse
[10:58] <bazhang> he seems to think this channel had something to do with ##politics, judging by his comments in #freenode
[11:07] <MenZa> bazhang: And judging by his language, his homepage is Google Translate
[11:13] <gnomefreak> what are we doing with xcell?
[11:14] <gnomefreak> i saw a little bit of the convo
[11:14] <MenZa> I'm sure he has no bad intentions, he's just fairly disruptive.
[11:15] <gnomefreak> maybe try asking him to join here and go through it again since im guessing he didnt understand the warning
[11:15] <gnomefreak> ?
[11:16] <MenZa> I think his understanding of English is fairly... broken.
[11:16] <MenZa> mneptok: heh
[11:16] <MenZa> mneptok: 71-84-35-31.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com
[11:16] <MenZa> mtpk!
[11:23] <MenZa> Might I suggest a forward, Amaranth?
[11:23] <MenZa> Seems to be a person with no clue how IRC works
[11:23] <Amaranth> MenZa: a forward here?
[11:23] <MenZa> Yes
[11:24] <Amaranth> I think it's just a spammer but sure, why not
[11:24] <MenZa> Judging by the nickchanges and such, I think it's someone who wants to use the name 'Mira', has no clue how IRC works, and doesn't speak English very well
[11:24] <MenZa> As 'Miia' is a Finnish name, and kotinet.fi is a Finnish ISP, perhaps someone with a bit of Finn-fu can talk to them.
[11:25] <MenZa> (all IIRC/AFAIK)
[11:42] <bazhang> nice quit message
[11:43] <elky> another +f candidate
[11:44] <bazhang> Mira, hi
[11:52] <bazhang> miia, hello
[11:56] <gnomefreak> are you kidding! he just annoying now
[11:56] <elky> who the what the?
[11:56] <bazhang> xcell
[11:56] <gnomefreak> yeah him with the nicki changes
[11:57] <gnomefreak> s/nicki/nick
[11:57] <bazhang> miia/mira?
[11:57] <Mira> cat
[11:58] <gnomefreak> bazhang: the 2nd one
[11:58] <gnomefreak> Guest98739: please stop changeing your nick
[11:58] <bazhang> gnomefreak, they seem to be the same judging from the ip address
[11:58] <elky> topyli, can you try talk to mira when she returns?
[11:59] <gnomefreak> bazhang: ah ok i missed that
[11:59] <nalioth> gnomefreak: perhaps you should suggest they choose a nick that's not being auto-enforced?
[12:00] <gnomefreak> auto-enforced like a script?
[12:00] <tsimpson> with nickserv
[12:00] <bazhang> xyz is now known as guestabc
[12:00] <bazhang> err 1234
[12:03] <topyli> elky: i will ask what's going on
[12:03] <topyli> btw what *is* going on? :)
[12:04] <gnomefreak> nick changes if not anything else
[12:04] <topyli> ok i'll try to help with the identity crisis
[12:17] <nalioth> gnomefreak: /msg nickserv help set enforce
[12:25] <gnomefreak> nalioth: thanks looking
[15:32] <MenZa> elky: re #css: chaos reigns everywhere but #ubuntu-*
[15:34] <MenZa> sometimes I think freenode is turning into efnet.
[15:38] <MenZa> mm, trolling.
[15:38] <elky> MenZa, #css is especially foul these days. used to be ##php that was that awful, but they grew up
[15:38] <MenZa> they did? wow.
[15:38] <MenZa> maybe I should join that channel again.
[15:38] <MenZa> but yes, #css is horrid.
[15:38] <elky> ymmv, of course.
[15:38] <MenZa> ##linguistics is a pretty scary place too.
[15:53] <gnomefreak> didnt the bot used to be able to do a !lastseen $NICK?
[15:54] <gnomefreak> !seen nekosolteradyne
[15:54] <gnomefreak> ok neither work
[15:57] <gnomefreak> ok going back to being away need to get things done. please see #kubuntu-offtopic for more info on the seen command
[16:44] <miia> m,
[17:26] <tsimpson> gnomefreak: !seen hasn't existed since before ubottu, it wasn't in the code I took over
[17:42] <gnomefreak> tsimpson: ok thanks
[17:42]  * gnomefreak out
[18:42] <bazhang> Xcell, hi
[18:43] <KB1JWQ> wilker is trolling.
[18:43] <KB1JWQ> in #ubuntu
[18:45] <Xcell> bazhang-  why was i penalized for protocal.. in telling someone to google an app?.. im a simple man here to help your organization.. im confused as ive seen it done time after time to not consume the rooms critical resources and to confirm to the client how to learn search methods.. please know i am only a simple helper.. thanks
[18:45] <bazhang> KB1JWQ, cheers :)
[18:45] <bazhang> Xcell, just google it is not a solution. Period.
[18:47] <Xcell> we both know this.. but to help folks to learn and to not take up the rooms volunteers critical time.. some simple solutions adhere to a ggoogle solution.. agreed?
[18:47] <bazhang> no.
[18:47] <Xcell> then im confused
[18:48] <bazhang> if you wish to find a ubuntuforums link for them then you may do so.
[18:48] <bazhang> users *know* about google.
[18:49] <bazhang> the point of the resource is to help people, not re-direct them to google.
[18:50] <Xcell> bazhang-  i love helping folks learn.. and some times instead of baby sitting a known simple situation. a simple solution is a google search.. pardon me for being wrong.. trust me.. im not in any way fighting protocal.. im only trying to help simplify the solutions and to eliviate fustrations to the ubuntu solution.
[18:51] <Xcell> my apologizes
[18:51] <Xcell> I only know from fustrations in the ubuntu solutions came from google.. and yes.. it is difficult to new comers
[18:52] <Xcell> but the difficulty comes from difficulty.. this is the learning curve from learner ship
[18:53] <bazhang> they have google already. they may not the requisite skills to use it however.
[18:55] <Xcell> agreed.. but this is a known philosophy.. searching a known solution usually gives an answer.. why not give them the ability to search and then give a solution.. time after time ive seen ops give the last term as a solution.. am i out of place?.. and why.. being i am a convenient helper
[18:56] <bazhang> Xcell, please refrain from giving any advice if it consists only of 'google it'
[18:56] <bazhang> !google
[18:56] <bazhang> ^^
[18:57] <Xcell> ok
[18:57] <bazhang> thanks very much.
[18:58] <Xcell> i will refrain from helping in any way.. being that i feel threatened for a ban.. thank you for your time and efforts
[18:58] <bazhang> if google it is your only way; that is your choice however.
[18:59] <Xcell> i feel threatened.. that is my personal position.
[18:59] <bazhang> Xcell, thanks for joining to discuss this.
[19:00] <Xcell> am i free to ferther help?
[19:02] <Xcell> via the question. from experience.. we both know who is able.
[19:02] <Xcell> lets be frank.. can i feel free to help?
[19:03] <bazhang> Xcell, did you understand what I said about Google it as advice?
[19:03] <Xcell> i am a retired electronic engineer.. i am well capable.. and yes.
[19:04] <bazhang> great
[19:04] <Xcell> then can i count on given mistakes in company protocol?
[19:05] <bazhang> some folks dont have the technical skills to find solutions ; that is why we need to find the most helpful links for them, either via the wiki, help pages , or google.
[19:05] <Xcell> neither of are perfect.. this is why i ask
[19:05] <bazhang> and I thank you for joining.
[19:06] <Xcell> i need assurance of a no ban for my personal implimentations for solutions in protocol
[19:08] <Xcell> im not ur enemy
[19:08] <Xcell> so.. ill continue
[19:08] <bazhang> Xcell, no one threatened you with a ban to my knowledge; I just asked you to come here when you indicated you wished to discuss this issue via PM; I felt it better to have a clear and transparent discussion about channel policy wrt google as a solution
[19:08] <Xcell> and thanks
[19:08] <bazhang> thanks to you.
[19:08] <Xcell> ok
[19:23] <bazhang> !no bugs is <reply> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[19:23] <bazhang> !bugs
[19:26] <roni-riku> Hi
[19:26] <Seeker`> hi
[19:26] <bazhang> mira/miaa?
[20:06] <bazhang> miia, hi
[20:07] <miia> hi
[20:08] <miia> how are you
[20:08] <bazhang> miia, you are forwarded here from #ubuntu
[20:09] <bazhang> miia, you and mire and roni-riku were in the channel earlier, correct?
[20:10] <bazhang> err mira
[20:13] <miia> you speak finnish
[20:14] <maco> aw our Miia isn't here. they could Finn together
[20:14] <maco> er...speak Finn
[20:15] <bazhang> toplyi does
[20:16] <miia> no
[20:19] <bazhang> miia, you mira and roni-riku were in #ubuntu earlier, and now forwarded here
[20:20] <miia> mira is fi.vehkat
[20:21] <bazhang> and suomihullu is roni-riku?
[20:22] <miia> yes kyllä
[20:23] <miia> where are you from?
[20:24] <bazhang> kolme olit toimivat typerä # ubuntu aiemmin, ja ehdotti mennä # ubuntu-fi, mutta pitää vaihdat kutsumanimet eikä kuunnella pyyntöjä lopettaa.
[20:25] <bazhang> Onko selvä?
[20:25] <miia> bazhang
[20:25] <bazhang> Onko selvä? miia ?
[20:26] <miia> siistä
[20:26] <miia> ????
[20:27] <bazhang> do you understand?
[20:28] <miia> eikö me enää jutella voidaan mennä ubontuun
[20:29] <bazhang> Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[20:30] <bazhang> # ubuntu on Englanti tukea vain
[20:31] <miia> hi maco
[20:32] <bazhang> well that is the best that I and google translate can offer
[20:32] <miia> where are you from?
[20:34] <bazhang> as miia does not wish to acknowledge what was said, I think we should wait before removing the ban forward til toplyi has a chance to speak with her
[20:38] <miia> finnis please
[20:39] <bazhang> miia, see above ^^
[20:39] <miia> no no no no no
[20:42] <miia> samthing
[21:04] <miia> how old are you
[21:04] <miia> bazhang
[21:11] <Seeker`> is that really relevant?
[21:15] <miia> no
[22:03] <maco> interesting
[22:09] <Pricey> msg'ing