[00:22] <ali1234> what happens with webpages on hidpi displays?
[00:22] <ali1234> does the browser just lie about media width to make things work?
[01:24] <slvr> ali1234: CSS pixels != device pixels
[01:24] <slvr> See devicePixelRatio
[01:25] <ali1234> no in other words, yes, it just lies?
[01:25] <ali1234> *so
[04:38] <mapp> morning
[05:28] <jussi> morning all
[05:35] <mapps> morning jussi
[05:35] <mapps> whats up
[05:35] <jussi> sky, ceiling... :P
[05:35] <mapps> pffff
[05:35] <mapps> ;]
[06:20] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:35] <mapps> morning MooDoo
[06:37] <MooDoo> how are you mapps
[06:39] <mapps> not bad..watching last tv ep for the night
[06:39] <mapps> then bed:)
[07:00] <diplo> Morning all
[07:02] <andylockran> morning all
[07:02] <MooDoo> morning diplo andylockran
[07:30] <dwatkins> morning all
[07:31] <MooDoo> morning
[08:30] <kvarley-work> Trying to run 2XClient on Ubuntu 14.04 64-bit and it keeps just crashing on load with a segmentation fault. Console chucks out this message "/opt/2X/2xclient.sh: line 4:  3067 Segmentation fault      (core dumped) LD_LIBRARY_PATH=../lib ./2XClient $@" Any ideas?
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> what's "2xclient"?
[08:32] <MartijnVdS> if it crashes like that, it's probably a bug in the application, or you're not running it on a supported platform (it being in /opt suggests it's not from a package, the LD_LIBRARY_PATH almost confirms it)
[08:32] <kvarley-work> MartijnVdS: It's a proprietary RDP client that's available from the Ubuntu Software Centre
[08:33] <MartijnVdS> I'd file a bug then :)
[08:43] <TwistedLucidity> kvarley-work: Not much help, but Remmina and KRDC both work well. Might tide you over.
[08:43] <TwistedLucidity> Assuming it's standard RDP protocols you are using
[08:53] <kvarley-work> TwistedLucidity: yeah thanks I'm using remmina now. I just find 2X performs a lot better with the servers I'm working with. Will wait until its updated. thanks anyway :)
[08:57] <brobostigon> good morning boys and girls.
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[09:00] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[09:01] <MooDoo> morning morning
[09:02] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:04] <popey> AlanBell: saw this and thought of you (and czajkowski) http://i.imgur.com/4ChkRqV.jpg
[09:05] <foobarry> my wife's phone adds an extra 7 to the mobile number for about 5 people when replying to an SMS e.g.<PHONE_NUMBER>1 becomes<PHONE_NUMBER>11 . any ideas?
[09:06] <foobarry> have cleared those people frmo contacts, sent a fresh txt. and it happens again when replying
[09:28] <czajkowski> popey: awww
[09:28] <czajkowski> popey: AlanBell TheOpenSourcerer http://guildfordbeerfestival.co.uk/
[09:29]  * TheOpenSourcerer goes and checks the diary...
[09:30]  * TheOpenSourcerer would appear to be available czajkowski
[09:30] <popey> sadly I am not
[09:30]  * nigelb hasn't seen AlanBell in a while
[09:31]  * TheOpenSourcerer looks at him every day
[09:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> well - apart from weekends.
[09:32] <popey> you have a webcam for that, right?
[09:32] <nigelb> lol
[09:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> ha
[09:53] <MooDoo> popey: reminds me of an episode of the big bang theory where sheldon was a robot, perhaps AlanBell is just a monitor on the top of TheOpenSourcerer desk at work :D
[09:54] <jussi> MooDoo: or TheOpenSourcerer is just AlanBell's alterego... Ive met AlanBell, but this sourcerer....
[09:54] <jussi> :P
[09:56] <MooDoo> jussi: so what you're saying is you've never seem them in the same room together?
[10:02] <foobarry> anyone have suggestions waht to do about latest 3.8.0-38 kernel not letting my laptop suspend? 3.8.0-37 works..
[10:03] <MartijnVdS> http://opensslrampage.tumblr.com/ is such fun :)
[10:03] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: file a bug, or upgrade to 14.04 ;)
[10:21] <jussi> MooDoo: yeah, pretty much that :P
[10:38]  * jussi is feeling somewhat american
[10:38] <jussi> (peanut butter and jam sandwiches)
[10:38] <nigelb> jussi: not, vegemite or marmite?!
[10:39] <Laney> at least it's not jelly
[10:39] <Laney> (too wobbly)
[10:39] <jussi> not today..
[10:39] <jussi> Laney: true that
[10:39] <jussi> but american jelly is different to ours...
[10:40] <Laney> yeah I was being funny :(
[10:41] <jussi> Laney: failed :P
[10:41] <Laney> it's alright I laughed at it myself :(
[10:42] <davmor2> anyone else having issues with irc today?
[10:42] <MooDoo> davmor2: no
[10:45] <jussi> davmor2: yes, you are on it! :P :P
[10:45]  * jussi hugs davmor2
[10:50] <MooDoo> davmor2: what's going on with yours chap?
[10:52] <davmor2> MooDoo: everything on irc keeps restarting but only irc I ping and browse as usual hence asking if it was just me or everyone
[10:57] <MooDoo> stupid computers.
[11:11] <jussi> davmor2: does your status window have any useful messages?
[11:53] <popey> Should I expect to be able to fsck a mac formatted hdd in my linux laptop and it fix it?
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> I don't know if there are HFS(+) fsck tools for Linux
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> if it's btrfs/ext[234] then yes
[11:53] <popey> its hfs+
[11:54] <xnox> popey: you can fix non-journaled ones. no fsck for journaled.
[11:54] <popey> bugger
[11:54] <xnox> popey: it's optional hfs+ feature, but enabled by default on all macs unless explicitely disabled by the user.
[11:55] <popey> ta
[11:55] <xnox> popey: there are recovery disk-utilities you can boot - if you have a mac.
[11:55] <popey> oh, thats a good point, i do have another mac, i could attach it to that and try and fix
[11:55] <xnox> popey: either third-party or any mac os x installer dvd / usb-stick, all have disk-utilitiy available to launch
[11:55] <popey> good call!
[11:56] <popey> sounds like a lunchtime task!
[11:56] <popey> Oh look! Lunchtime!
[12:12] <davmor2> that's looking a bit more stable apparently my new router might be the cause will leave that till the weekend though dd-wrt might be required :)
[12:13] <popey> \o/ chugging away
[12:14] <Laney> chugga chugga
[12:15] <davmor2> popey: your at work what are you doing chugging beer ;)
[12:17] <jussi> anyone know how to make the left and right tilt on my mouses scrollwheel actually do something?
[12:17] <jussi> like perhaps back/forward in the browser?
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> jussi: they scroll horizontally
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> on mine anyway
[12:20] <jussi> oh... so they do. that sucks.
[12:20] <jussi> I wonder if I can change that somewhere
[12:21] <popey> paste.ubuntu.com/7321955/ thats bad ☹
[13:19] <jussi> you know, it just dawned on me... the oneplus is actually what was going to be the ubuntu edge. :P :P
[13:20] <popey> hardly
[13:20] <popey> too big for one
[13:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> I don't get the capacitive *AND* on-screen button thing... Seems like a square peg/round hole thing to me.
[13:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh - Ubuntu spam from eBuyer.... "Alan, HP 255 G1 Laptop with Ubuntu only £219.99 + Free Next Day Delivery" :-D
[13:23] <Oli> At that price it could have another set of physical buttons inside the case and I wouldn't mind.
[13:27] <awilkins> Woo, 64GB version!
[13:27] <awilkins> Woo $349
[13:27] <popey> not a bad price for that little laptop
[13:30] <andylockran> :( popey
[13:30] <andylockran> just seen your dead laptop
[13:30] <andylockran> ¢/win 4
[13:38] <popey> Sam is on a school trip to Windsor Castle today
[13:43] <davmor2> popey: it's easter break isn't it?
[13:43] <popey> no, they went back yesterday
[13:43] <davmor2> ah not here they didn't I don't think
[13:44] <popey> I'd be surprised.
[13:46] <davmor2> popey: I don't know not having kids but the traffic is too light at school leaving time
[13:47]  * popey tries to remember a time before kids
[13:47] <davmor2> popey: I get Sue from the hospice around 15-16:00 too little traffic
[13:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> our kids went back on Tuesday.
[13:47] <popey> probably some grown-ups still on easter hols
[13:47] <davmor2> popey: it's when you were slim had a capri and fun ;)
[13:47] <popey> ☻
[13:47] <popey> true, except s/capri/manta/
[13:48]  * TheOpenSourcerer never had a Capri :-(
[13:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> Talbot Solara
[13:48] <davmor2> popey: it wasn't a bad guess
[13:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> Honda CB200 with Reverse Cone Megaphones ;-)
[13:49] <davmor2> popey: so if we here about a secondary fire breaking out at windsor castle today we know why right :)
[13:50] <davmor2> popey: ohhhh LV issue 3 on digital download now :)
[13:51] <dvrr> how to  restore  multiple databases mysql  command line
[13:53] <popey> davmor2: yay
[13:54] <popey> my dad had a Talbot Solara.. PLM 573W
[13:54] <popey> and an Horizon, ELY 760T
[13:55] <dvrr> i have taken multiple databases   single sql file how to restore all  Ubuntu please help me
[13:56] <awilkins> mysql -uroot -p <big-fat-sql-file.sql
[16:43] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[16:45] <diddledan> ditto
[16:45]  * diddledan yawns
[17:40] <mapps> yo
[17:47] <diddledan> http://altairclone.com/
[17:54] <shauno> interesting. prettier than the briel computers one
[18:44] <Saur0> hi can anyone help me with a ssh problem?
[18:44] <Tom92> Hello. I'm completly  new to ubuntu. I'm trying to boot from a usb 1.1 (yeah I know). I used pendrivelinux to make the bootable drive. When I try to boot however all i get are fans and a black sceen. I waited it out for a good while, maybe 15-20 minutes what with trying to boot fro 1.1. I'm on an acer aspire 5930G with 4 GB ram and 250 GB HDD . and I'm trying to boot the latest version of ubuntu, 64bit. does anyone have any clue wh
[18:45] <Tom92> oh and I've changed the boot priority to USB-HDD and it's picking up my drive.
[18:45] <Tom92> Sorry for the bombardment!
[18:59] <Tom92> Hi all, just to clarify, the machine is picking up my drive but is still not booting. Advice still welcome. T
[19:23] <ducky_> is this system still used?
[19:23] <diddledan> ubuntu? yes, I believe so
[19:23] <ducky_> Alright :D
[19:24] <diddledan> they're starting to put it in phones now, dun'tchaknow
[19:24] <ducky_> because ive had some problems letely with graphics are far as ubuntu is concerned
[19:24] <ducky_> +as far
[19:25] <ducky_> im thinking of installing 14.04 now but i really dont want to fuss with what happened to my graphics last time
[19:25] <ducky_> after installing the driver for my gtx 660 with ubuntu it gets stuck in 800x600
[19:25] <ducky_> before is fine
[19:26] <ducky_> and if i use hdmi instead of dvi
[19:26] <ducky_> it works fine too
[19:26] <ducky_> and my second screen displays the correct res
[19:27] <ducky_> usually trying to force a res is leading to the edid
[19:27] <ducky_> being bad
[19:27] <ducky_> is there a way i can take windows edid and use that
[19:27] <ducky_> or just another way to force 1080 into ubuntu
[19:28] <diddledan> afaik the edid is embedded in the monitor
[19:28] <ducky_> yep
[19:29] <ducky_> so its either dont install drivers and not be able to use steam
[19:29] <ducky_> or just install them and enjoy 800x600
[20:00] <aquarius> popey, ping -- you did tell me before how to get the version number of the most recent promoted phone image, but when the compputer died I lost the logs :(
[20:04] <popey> system settings -> about
[20:04] <aquarius> popey, that shows the version I'm running, not whether there's a newer version to install, doesn't it? I'm dual-boot so I have to upgrade from teh android app
[20:05] <popey> oh, dunno about that
[20:07] <popey> aquarius: lemme ask you a question...
[20:08] <popey> phaser.io looks awesome
[20:08] <aquarius> I've seen it, but not used it for anything yet
[20:08] <popey> but requires that it be loaded from a webserver, and not locally loaded, apparently it uses get requsts and json stuff which has to pull from a server, not local filesystem
[20:08] <aquarius> yeah; these days, you pretty much need a webserver to do anything
[20:08] <popey> so there's no way that is going to fly on an ubuntu phone as a local app
[20:09] <popey> which is a bummer
[20:09] <aquarius> hrm
[20:09] <aquarius> I wish I could say that QML had a really good XMLHttpRequest implementation and so this wouldn't be a problem
[20:09] <popey> which leads to my question - how could I?
[20:09] <aquarius> but it does not.
[20:09] <aquarius> well, you could spin up a web server pretty easily in C or Go, I imagine
[20:10] <aquarius> but I can't see how you can stop other apps on the device connecting to it
[20:10] <popey> oh, i could ship a little apache/lighttpd or whatever in my app?
[20:10] <aquarius> this is the desktopcouch problem all over again
[20:10] <aquarius> yeah. Not apache ;)
[20:10] <aquarius> I imagine that Qt has be-a-webserver stuff in it
[20:10] <popey> well, whatever, i could launch one from my app?
[20:10] <aquarius> I'd do it in process, myself
[20:11] <aquarius> http://doc.qt.digia.com/solutions/4/qtservice/qtservice-example-server.html
[20:11] <popey> doc.qt.digia.com/solutions/4/qtservice/qtservice-example-server.html
[20:11] <popey> hah
[20:11] <aquarius> top hit
[20:11] <aquarius> that's qt 4
[20:11] <aquarius> but you can see that it's possible
[20:11] <aquarius> I'm not enough of a C++ guy to know how to do it, though
[20:11] <aquarius> and we can't do python apps :)
[20:11] <popey> but surely I could ship a tiny binary server?
[20:12] <aquarius> yeah
[20:12] <aquarius> I don't know how the application lifecycle works then, though
[20:12] <popey> spawn it then launch my browser container thing
[20:12] <aquarius> you're not allowed to run background apps, right?
[20:12] <popey> but its not background
[20:12] <popey> it's run by my app
[20:12] <aquarius> what happens if you just execute system("something &")
[20:12] <popey> which is currently in the foreground
[20:12] <popey> dunno
[20:12] <aquarius> yeah, but it has to be a separate process
[20:12] <diddledan> popey: can you not use file:/// urls?
[20:12] <popey> no diddledan
[20:12] <aquarius> otherwise your foreground app is blocked
[20:12] <diddledan> dang
[20:13] <diddledan> that sucks
[20:13] <aquarius> or it has to be in-process
[20:13] <aquarius> so now "your app" is two processes; the webserver, and the browser container
[20:13] <aquarius> I don't know if that's allowed.
[20:13] <aquarius> tedg or jdstrand or someone would know, I imagine
[20:13] <popey> i dont understand why it wouldn't be
[20:14] <popey> surely apps dont have to be 1:1 app:process
[20:14] <aquarius> well, the app lifecycle thing suspends your app when you switch to another app
[20:14] <popey> right
[20:14] <popey> but Im not doing that
[20:14] <popey> I'm looking at my app
[20:14] <popey> and this is a child of my app
[20:14] <popey> we should move this to -app-devel and highlight relavent people ☻
[20:14] <aquarius> if your app's started 2 processes.... how does the lifecycle thing know which 2 processes they are?
[20:14] <popey> cgroups iirc
[20:15] <popey> thats not something you or i need worry about
[20:15] <popey> you start your app, your app could spawn 10 processes, but they belong to that upstart job
[20:18] <BigRedS_> Does a bug being marked as 'confirmed' from 'triaged' suggest anything about an intention to fix it?
[20:22] <BigRedS_> (it's bug 1243240 which I suspect to be either user-error or working-as-designed, so I'm intrigued as to whether that status change implies a future change to these menu buttons)
[20:25] <ali1234> popey: re phaser.io, with Qt you can override the http transport mechanism and therefore cause your app to handle all requests internally... it's really very good
[20:25] <popey> oh?
[20:26] <popey> that sounds delightful
[20:26] <ali1234> yeah there is a class called like QtWebkitHttpRequest or something
[20:27] <ali1234> i've used it for my web archiver in order to catch and archive all http requests done by the page, but you could also redirect the requests to local resources
[20:28] <aquarius> ali1234, ooh, that's a sneaky plan -- have the web *think* that it's doing http requests but instead they're being intercepted.
[20:28] <aquarius> clever
[20:28] <aquarius> still needs c++ though :)
[20:28] <ali1234> you can do it in python also
[20:28] <ali1234> you can't do anything good with only QML... despite what the developers say, it's really just a replacement for XML user interface files
[20:29] <aquarius> no python on the phone, is the problem there.
[20:29] <ali1234> http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qnetworkrequest.html <- i think this is the thing you need to hook into... but i can't really remember
[20:29] <aquarius> I disagree; you can do a lot with pure QML
[20:29] <popey> there is python on the phone
[20:30] <popey> root@black-phablet:~# python
[20:30] <popey> Python 2.7.6 (default, Mar 22 2014, 23:30:12)
[20:30] <aquarius> but you hit problems in certain areas where qml just isn't there for you
[20:30] <aquarius> popey, but writing click apps in it is not allowed, right?
[20:30] <ali1234> you can do a lot... but not anything interesting
[20:30] <ali1234> actually i would apply the same criticism to click apps
[20:30] <aquarius> depends on your definition of interesting, I suppose. If you could have written a phonegap app to do it, you can do it with pure QML instead, mostly.
[20:31] <popey> i dunno what makes you say python isnt allowed
[20:31] <popey> long running python programs are discouraged, sure
[20:31] <aquarius> popey, it's OK to write click apps in python??
[20:31] <popey> i have not heard anyone say no
[20:32] <aquarius> I have. It's all "use pure QML if you can; C++ and (soon) Go if you need more, or C/OpenGL"
[20:32] <aquarius> if that's wrong, then great!
[20:32] <popey> thats the recommnended supported path
[20:32] <ali1234> i would expect you could override Qt classes with Go
[20:33] <aquarius> you can -- gustavo and others have made go a perfectly good Qt host lamnguage, apparently
[20:33] <aquarius> although I havent' tried it, yet
[20:34] <diddledan> I had a cursory look at QML - it looks weird to me coming from an HTML background
[20:35] <aquarius> it's got some weird parts. But I like it.
[20:35] <ali1234> diddledan: it's just like HTML/javascript DOM, except with Qt objects instead of HTML elements
[20:35] <ali1234> and the syntax is a little bit weird
[20:36] <diddledan> oh I does have programmability? from what I saw (very limited) it was just markup with very little actual logic
[20:37] <ali1234> no that's about right
[20:37] <ali1234> it has the same level of programmability you get with javascript, because that's basically what it is
[20:37] <ali1234> you can do logic, and set/get properties on Qt objects
[20:38] <ali1234> you can't make new Qt objects
[20:38] <ali1234> you can probably do pixel access on a QCanvas but it's going to suck
[20:38] <ali1234> if you want to do complex things, you build the component in C++ and then use it in QML
[20:40] <ali1234> it's designed for kinetic scroller apps and very simple 2D games (eg solitaire, minesweeper)
[20:40] <ali1234> basically the kind of shovelware you find in app stores for 99c
[20:43] <popey> aquarius: right, so any time you wanna make me a framework app that I can stuff my phaser.io code in. that'd be sweet ☻
[20:43] <diddledan> lol
[20:43] <ali1234> that sounds like an interesting challenge actually
[20:43] <ali1234> what does it actually need on the server side?
[20:44] <popey> so the idea was to write a simple game for ubuntu phone using phaser.io
[20:44] <popey> but this was the stumbling block i had
[20:44] <aquarius> popey, it's doable if I can use Python. I'm still on 13.10 right now, but once I upgrade I'd be happy to throw together a tiny PyQt app to do it, assuming that pyqt is available on the phone!
[20:44] <popey> so the game needs to be in a directory that the server serves out
[20:44] <ali1234> is that all? just serve files?
[20:45] <popey> aquarius: no pyqt
[20:45] <aquarius> popey, if I can't use Python for this (say because PyQt isn't on the phone) then you'll need a C++ person, and I suspect ali1234 is your man ;)
[20:45] <popey> ali1234: i think so
[20:45] <ali1234> in fact
[20:45] <ali1234> you might not need to do anything at all if it just serves files
[20:45] <popey> i thought it might be handy to have a framework into which people could dump their phaser.io game, run "click build foo" and job done
[20:45] <aquarius> for a c++ person it'd take about fifteen seconds to write a tiny app which launches a qtwebkit container and overrides its http requests to point at a folder.
[20:45] <ali1234> just convert all URLs from http: to qrc:
[20:45] <ali1234> or file:
[20:45] <popey> no, file wont work
[20:45] <popey> it needs get requests
[20:45] <ali1234> why not?
[20:46] <ali1234> oh. and what does it do with those requests?
[20:46] <aquarius> same origin policy,.
[20:46] <popey> well, for loading assets and tilemap etc
[20:46] <aquarius> two file: URLs are not in the same origin, so a browser will sod you up.
[20:46] <ali1234> you can turn that stuff off
[20:46] <aquarius> not very easily :(
[20:46] <popey> not on our browser I suspect
[20:47] <aquarius> qtwebkit doesn't expose as much stuff as it perhaps should.
[20:47] <ali1234> so... where is the code that runs on the webserver to make this stuff work?
[20:47] <aquarius> it's easier to have the html/js believe that it's talking to a server and operating as it expects, even if behind the scenes you trap the requests.
[20:47] <popey> https://github.com/photonstorm/phaser-examples for example
[20:48] <popey> popey.com/~alan/phaser/phaser-examples/examples/ e.g.
[20:48] <aquarius> there isn't any server-side code; it's all client-side. But it expects to be running from a webserver, not from file: URLs, so that everything's int he same origin.
[20:48] <popey> yes, that
[20:48] <aquarius> Yes, you can, if you know what you're doing, make this stuff work with file: URLs, but it's actually harder than *not* doing that and instead overriding qnetworkrequest or just running a webserver.
[20:49] <ali1234> popey: so what's actually in that directory server side?
[20:50] <popey> just a git clone of that github repo
[20:50] <popey> nothing more
[20:50] <ali1234> nothing at all executable
[20:50] <popey> its serving static files
[20:50] <popey> correct
[20:50] <ali1234> so you don't actually need http urls then
[20:50] <popey> other than what aquarius said
[20:50] <ali1234> the server isn't doing anything with the get requests
[20:50] <popey> phaser.io is known not to work with file urls
[20:50] <ali1234> it's just handing them back to the browser
[20:50] <aquarius> if you don't use http urls, the browser security model will sod you up.
[20:50] <ali1234> yeah but that will be the origin policy only
[20:51] <aquarius> so you can either use http, or turn off the security model.
[20:51] <aquarius> I think that using http (from the browser's point of view) is easier
[20:51] <aquarius> and then override that http in Qt so that it's *actually* just serving files.
[20:51] <ali1234> yeah
[20:51] <ali1234> that would be one way to do it
[20:52] <ali1234> btw: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8090462/qtwebkit-same-origin-policy
[20:52] <ali1234> it might not work with file: in a normal browser, but what if you do that? ^
[20:52] <aquarius> as you said above, just handle qnetworkrequest to do the moral equivalent of "on request http://localhost/$foo: return load_text_file($currentdir + "/" + $foo)"
[20:53] <aquarius> browsers are weird about file: URLs
[20:53] <aquarius> I've spent ages in the past trying to override that in order to serve complex web apps from the filesystem
[20:53] <aquarius> and it's just not worth the hassle. :)
[20:54] <aquarius> if you're served from a file: URL, you can't make XHRs to file: URLs, even if they're in the same origin
[20:54] <aquarius> so you'd have to turn that off too, etc, etc.
[20:55] <aquarius> maybe it's worth trying the suggestions there
[20:55] <ali1234> trying it..
[20:55] <aquarius> (although I think those are the Qt 4 WebSettings things, but maybe it hasn't changed much in Qt 5)
[20:55] <aquarius> this might also be problematic when Oxide arrives, but then so will overriding qnetworkrequest :)
[20:56] <aquarius> worth a try, indeed
[20:56] <popey> oxide arrived
[20:56] <aquarius> rly?
[20:56] <popey> which is my next question, can you embed oxide in qt rather than qtwebkit ☻
[20:56] <aquarius> the changelogs don't seem to mention major changes tot he web browser?
[20:57] <popey> liboxideqtcore is on the image
[20:57] <aquarius> popey, if oxide has properly arrived then you should be automatically embedding it without changing anything, as I understand it
[20:57] <aquarius> ah. "Oxide is available" is not the same thing as "the platform web widget and the browser are now oxide" ;)
[20:57] <aquarius> we may be in the interregnum here.
[20:57] <popey> the browser is
[20:57] <popey> and the webapp thing is
[20:57] <aquarius> !!
[20:57] <popey> way faster
[20:57] <aquarius> that's what I was checking the changelogs for
[20:57] <aquarius> I must have missed it.
[20:58] <aquarius> I shall upgrade to 303 then :)
[20:58] <popey> no need
[20:58] <popey> its in the released image
[20:58] <popey> wait, which one you on?
[20:58] <aquarius> 296.
[20:58] <popey> wwait one
[20:58] <popey> ok, my "stable" phone is 302 which already has it
[20:59] <aquarius> right
[20:59] <aquarius> I am now upgrading :)
[20:59] <popey> arrived in 295
[20:59] <popey> people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/295.changes
[21:00] <ali1234> um... okay
[21:00] <ali1234> it "just works"
[21:01] <aquarius> ali1234, cool -- then perhaps I was overly cautious! encouraging
[21:01] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7325256/
[21:02] <popey> neat
[21:02] <ali1234> presumably it would work in QML too with no problems
[21:02] <aquarius> popey, it'd be useful to try that and test all the examples
[21:02] <aquarius> I'm not sure if you can get the current folder in QML
[21:03] <ali1234> but you'd know where you app is going to be installed
[21:03] <popey> nope
[21:03] <aquarius> npe
[21:03] <ali1234> lol
[21:03] <aquarius> it's not installed to a hardcoded path
[21:03] <popey> click packages are relocatable
[21:03] <ali1234> embed everything into the exe then
[21:03] <aquarius> precisely absolutely to stop people hardcoding paths into their apps.
[21:03] <ali1234> and use qrc:
[21:03] <aquarius> ali1234, if you're in qml then you don't have an exe, ideally -- just use qmlscene. The instant you have your own exe, you're a C++ person, which I suspect popey is trying to avoid :)
[21:04] <ali1234> well
[21:04] <ali1234> if you can't use qrc and you can't have a known resource directory... how the hell does anyone do anything at all with QML?
[21:05] <popey> surely you can use relative paths
[21:05] <popey> file:///./foo
[21:05] <ali1234> perhaps
[21:05] <aquarius> popey, you *might* be able to make your command line in the desktop file be something like "qmlscene $PWD myapp.qml" or something
[21:05] <aquarius> I don't know if the current directory is actually set to your app's install location, though.
[21:06] <ali1234> self.web.load(QUrl("examples/index.html")) works
[21:06] <aquarius> sounds like another question for -app-devel, that: how do I construct a file:/// URL in QML/HTML without writing a C++ plugin to return the current directory?
[21:06] <popey> perfect
[21:06] <aquarius> ali1234, that'll work on the desktop, ya, but the phone's a mildly different operating environment
[21:07] <popey> thats should work there too imo
[21:07]  * popey will test
[21:07] <ali1234> it shouldn't matter, if it does then QUrl has a bug
[21:07] <aquarius> ali1234, you're saying that QUrl is *supposed* to resolve URLs relative to the path of the Python file?
[21:07] <aquarius> not relative to the CWD?
[21:08] <ali1234> if even CWD isn't right under click packages then click packages are retarded
[21:08] <aquarius> Disagree.
[21:08] <popey> it is
[21:08] <aquarius> I think it would be perfectly reasonable for the CWD to be the user data folder for this app, not the program data folder for this app
[21:08] <popey> the CWD is where the main qml file is
[21:08] <popey> panic ye not
[21:08] <popey> AIUI
[21:08] <aquarius> popey, ah, really? then you're OK :)
[21:09] <ali1234> well the question is not just about QUrl but *anything* you load from disk
[21:11] <ali1234> not all of these games actually work btw
[21:11] <ali1234> breakout and invaders don't work
[21:13] <ali1234> they don't work when loaded from http either though
[21:13] <ali1234> probably webkit bugs
[21:14] <czajkowski> hmm anyone set up a  LT2P VPN on Ubuntu ?
[21:24] <popey> ali1234: i just tested with qml and it fails...
[21:24] <popey> https://imgur.com/0t4x7Q6
[21:24] <popey> paste.ubuntu.com/7325356/
[21:24] <ali1234> probably made changes in Qt5 then
[21:27] <aquarius> I don't know if the allow-file-access-from-files setting is exposed to qml's webview
[21:27] <aquarius> but I'll bet that's what's causing it to fail
[21:27] <aquarius> that needs turning on
[21:28] <ali1234> qmlviewer: could not exec '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/bin/qmlviewer': No such file or directory
[21:28] <aquarius> you'll want qmlscene for qt5
[21:28] <popey> qmlscene -qtf foo.qml
[21:28] <popey> er
[21:28] <popey> qmlscene -qt5 foo.qml
[21:28] <ali1234> qmlscene: could not exec '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmlscene': No such file or directory
[21:29] <popey> fun
[21:29] <ali1234> what is oxideqmlscene?
[21:30] <ali1234> installed it, now i get: local.qml:3 "components": no such directory
[21:30] <popey> you're missing the ubuntu sdk I imagine
[21:30] <popey> nvm
[21:31] <ali1234> why does ubuntu-sdk want to install indicator-network?
[21:32] <ali1234> there should be a way to install an sdk that won't totally mess up my system by installing things like unity, mir, ubuntu-system-settings etc
[21:33] <popey> +1
[21:33] <ali1234> just don't implement that using scratchbox
[21:33] <ali1234> because that is even more intrusive and dangerous
[21:39] <ali1234> install ubuntu-sdk, still doesn't work
[21:50] <ali1234> diddledan: remember when i said i was going to ask you a hard question? what do you think about this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7325524/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/7325523/
[21:51] <ali1234> is making so many media rules going to clog the browser?
[21:51] <ali1234> is there a better way to do it, that doesn't involve javascript?
[21:52] <diddledan> wow that is a fair few. TBH I've not done any investigations into the slowdowns caused by media query proliferation. I tend to use SASS/SCSS or LESS which means I probably end up with a similar explosion of media queries
[21:53] <ali1234> yeah, i've looked at those, but the have a tonne of depencies that i don't understand, so i just wrote a python script that does the same thing :)
[21:54] <ali1234> maybe i should just use javascript for this - it would be more likely to work in every browser...
[21:54] <diddledan> you don't really need to worry about the dependencies, gem (for sass) or npm (for less) tend to take care of it all automatically
[21:54] <ali1234> and directly calculating the optimal width would be much easier since i could just get the parent element size instead of having to guess it based on the media width and height
[21:54] <ali1234> yeah thing is i don't have gem or node installed
[21:55] <diddledan> apt-get install node
[21:55] <ali1234> i don't want to
[21:55] <diddledan> :-p
[21:55] <ali1234> lol
[21:55] <diddledan> stick-in-the-mud!
[21:55] <ali1234> anyway, generating the css isn't the issue
[21:56] <ali1234> all i want is to arrange a bunch of equal sized images into rows using the space optimally
[21:56] <ali1234> minimizing height while ensuring no image is smaller than a fixed pixel size, and also making sure each full row completely fills the space
[21:57] <ali1234> and ensuring there are no more than (number of rows-1) empty spaces in the grid
[21:58] <diddledan> I'm not sure there's an easy answer for that
[21:59] <ali1234> in javascript it wold be a few lines
[21:59] <ali1234> and the page requires javascript anyway
[21:59] <ali1234> so i might as well do that
[22:01] <ali1234> at the end of the day all it has to do is decide how many items per row based on the container size in pixels, the minimum item size in pixels, and the number of items
[22:01] <diddledan> yeah, I tend to be of the opinion that : try not to use javascript at all bar for visual gimicks UNLESS you're already using javascript for inherent functionality of the site.
[22:01] <diddledan> so in this case you're on the UNLESS step
[22:01] <ali1234> and then set width:$(100/n)%; on every item
[22:02] <ali1234> http://dev.drumoff.tv/ is the site - this is for the video player right in the middle, for the playlist
[22:03] <ali1234> note this website is fully responsive too, so everything resizes all the time
[22:03] <aquarius> ali1234, you know about flexbox, yes?
[22:04] <ali1234> is that like lightbox?
[22:04] <aquarius> no. layout method
[22:04] <aquarius> css
[22:04] <aquarius> it takes a bit to understand it
[22:04] <aquarius> but I think once you do understand it, it may well be able to do what you're talking about above in pure css
[22:04] <ali1234> that's not what i want. all the images are guaranteed to be the same size
[22:05] <ali1234> maybe it is what i want actually
[22:05] <aquarius> no guarantees that it's exactly what you want, but it looks like it should be
[22:05] <aquarius> also, why not just float the images?
[22:06] <ali1234> they *are* floated
[22:06] <aquarius> if they're floated, and sized in percentages, why do you need the calculation stuff? I must be missing something?
[22:06] <ali1234> because i don't know in advance how many mages there will be
[22:06] <ali1234> and there might be too many to fit on one row
[22:07] <ali1234> if there are 11 images, i want 6 x 2
[22:07] <ali1234> if there are 14 images i want 7 x 2
[22:07] <ali1234> unless the container is narrower than 7 * 70px
[22:07] <ali1234> then i want 5 x 3
[22:07] <aquarius> but they're all guaranteed to be the same size, you said
[22:07] <ali1234> etc
[22:07] <ali1234> yes
[22:07] <aquarius> what if 6x2 doesn't fit?
[22:08] <ali1234> then 4 x 3
[22:08] <diddledan> they're scaled by the front-end
[22:08] <diddledan> percentage-based
[22:08] <ali1234> they are all the same size, and scaled to (the same) percentage of that, depending on how many images i want per row
[22:08] <aquarius> ah!
[22:08] <diddledan> bingo
[22:08] <aquarius> you're OK with changing the image size
[22:08] <ali1234> hang on let me turn on debug and you can see the effect
[22:08] <aquarius> got it.
[22:09] <aquarius> I'd do that with JS, myself.
[22:09] <ali1234> okay reload :)
[22:09] <ali1234> and try resizing the page both horizontally and vertically
[22:09] <aquarius> url?
[22:09] <ali1234> this is currently done with pure css
[22:09] <ali1234> dev.drumoff.tv
[22:09] <aquarius> ah dev.drumoff.tv
[22:09] <ali1234> scroll to video player
[22:10] <ali1234> it has multiple rows now, with 5 to 21 images
[22:11] <aquarius> *nod* I don't think that's sensibly doable in pure css, indeed
[22:11] <diddledan> question: how do I enter to win those cool prizes alluded-to by the slider? :-p
[22:11] <ali1234> i found two bugs in chrome while making this
[22:11] <aquarius> you can do it the way you are doing it, with loads of media queries
[22:11] <aquarius> having loads of media queries won't massively impact the browser
[22:11] <ali1234> diddledan: you film yourself playing a 30 second drum solo and enter it into the competition
[22:11] <aquarius> but it will make your debugging life a misery ;)
[22:12] <diddledan> dang
[22:12] <diddledan> I'm not good at drums
[22:12] <diddledan> will a kazoo be as good?
[22:12] <daftykins> work on it sir!
[22:12] <daftykins> also hi
[22:12] <diddledan> ello :-)
[22:12] <ali1234> no, it has to specifically be only kick snare hat
[22:12] <daftykins> i be lurking
[22:12] <diddledan> -_-
[22:13] <diddledan> was that even a thing, or just three random words put together?
[22:13] <ali1234> they are all types of percussion
[22:13] <diddledan> kick punch nose
[22:13] <diddledan> :-p
[22:13] <shauno> sounds like animal cruelty to me.  although I'm not sure why a hare needs a hat
[22:14] <daftykins> how else would it come into being?
[22:14] <diddledan> shauno: you do mac, fix my time machine
[22:14] <daftykins> what be broke of it?
[22:15] <shauno> well, basically.  time machine.  the rest is just details
[22:15] <diddledan> it complains about null
[22:15] <daftykins> delete that plist?
[22:16] <diddledan> which plist?
[22:16] <diddledan> o_O
[22:16] <daftykins> i think it determines TM's config or some jazz
[22:16] <daftykins> then it's defaulted and you can start anew
[22:16] <diddledan> but then I lose my history
[22:17] <diddledan> hence, no point in TM at all
[22:17] <daftykins> nah you just link it up to the drive again
[22:17] <shauno> that's a good thing.  your history is pretty shady.
[22:17] <daftykins> and it knows based on name etc
[22:17] <diddledan> every time I've reset tm in the past it's created a new backup
[22:17] <diddledan> such as by installing from a TM backup causes TM to reset the TM history
[22:18] <daftykins> yeah it'd do a whole full backup again
[22:18] <diddledan> then what's the point of historical backups?!
[22:19] <daftykins> well you could give us better logs instead sir :)
[22:20] <diddledan> ok, "The backup disk image "/Volumes/TimeMachine/tantalum.sparsebungle" could not be accessed (error (null))."
[22:20] <daftykins> lol bungle
[22:20] <daftykins> bundle?
[22:20] <diddledan> last successful backup says the twenty twoth
[22:21] <shauno> curious, what's the bungle hosted on?
[22:22] <diddledan> oldest backup is the 2th because that's when it last ducked-up and I reset the thing
[22:22] <diddledan> freenas
[22:22] <shauno> (assuming it's a remote share, since that's why it'd use a bungle)
[22:22] <daftykins> heh is it not bundle
[22:22] <shauno> it's killing you isn't it.  bungle bungle bungle
[22:23] <daftykins> 8D
[22:23] <shauno> http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1355000/images/_1359371_rainbow_300.jpg
[22:23] <daftykins> sprucebungle
[22:23] <diddledan> shauno: that reminds me of the song
[22:24] <shauno> try to open it in finder?
[22:24] <shauno> (my gut feeling is going to be stale locks)
[22:25] <diddledan> I've reboobed since it first appeared
[22:25] <diddledan> it also loads fine in finder
[22:26] <daftykins> even the disk image? loads up ok?
[22:27] <daftykins> can you bring it into disk utility and verify it or something 0o
[22:27] <diddledan> not a remote share I can't
[22:27] <daftykins> the file though
[22:28] <diddledan> a sparsebungle isn't a file
[22:28] <diddledan> it's a folder
[22:28] <daftykins> oic
[22:28] <daftykins> not encountered that before then
[22:28] <daftykins> yet i've got a client with 10.9 TM backups
[22:29] <shauno> it's a disk image that's sliced into chunks (usually 10M?)
[22:30] <diddledan> yeah looks like 8MB
[22:30] <shauno> it'll appear as a single file in Finder, but not on disk (the same as .app etc do)
[22:31] <diddledan> ls
[22:31] <diddledan> oops
[22:31] <daftykins> $ diddledan
[22:31] <diddledan> you can right-click and select show package contents tho
[22:31] <diddledan> or you can use the terminator
[22:32] <diddledan> double-clicking the sparsebungle opens up as a disk image which I can browse and showing package contents also opens which I can browse
[22:32] <shauno> they're actually handy for various uses.  like if the underlying filesystem doesn't like huge files
[22:33] <shauno> or if you're syncing them to somewhere else.  you can just send the chunk that's changed instead of the whole filesystem
[22:40] <daftykins> you know i nearly dropped £380 on 6 x 2TB WD Reds last night
[22:40] <daftykins> but instead i just ordered 1 x 1TB WD Red to fix my existing array ;x
[22:41] <daftykins> diddledan: i'm seeing a post on a site saying they fixed that error by renaming their system 0o
[22:41] <daftykins> actually that's just gonna cause a full backup too isn't it
[22:46] <diddledan> lol @ http://www.kitguru.net/channel/generaltech/bob/nypd-suffers-huge-twitter-pr-failure/
[22:47] <shauno> old :p
[22:49] <maps|wrk> good evening
[22:49] <shauno> morning
[22:49] <diddledan> my brother is famous: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TXkAHLlbEPQ (he's talking about the sex-aid at 1:33, sounding like farmer giles)
[22:49] <diddledan> (SFW)
[22:50] <diddledan> or rather VSFW
[22:50] <diddledan> very-safe
[22:50] <maps|wrk> i was about to aslk
[22:50] <maps|wrk> heard sex and wondered
[22:50] <shauno> I'm not sure I want to click on farmer gile's sex-aid no matter how safe it is
[22:50] <diddledan> yeah, I realised I left it somewhat open-ended
[22:51] <diddledan> he's talking about "FatMax Compound Action Pliers" which to me sounds like a sex-aid
[22:51] <maps|wrk> a farmer aye
[22:51] <maps|wrk> il watch
[22:52] <diddledan> he's done a few. managed to get himself on stanley's tool jury
[22:52] <diddledan> http://www.stanleytools.co.uk/tooljury/who
[22:53] <maps|wrk> wheres he from
[22:53] <diddledan> near me
[22:53] <diddledan> :-p
[22:54] <diddledan> just outside basingstoke is where he grew-up - he's now living/working andover area
[22:54] <diddledan> which isn't that far afield
[22:54] <diddledan> about 20 miles down the road from amazingstoke
[22:54] <maps|wrk> oh
[22:54] <maps|wrk> thats not farmer area
[22:54] <maps|wrk> lol
[22:54] <diddledan> no, indeed
[22:54] <diddledan> which is why I commented on it :-p
[22:55] <diddledan> speaking of countryfolk, what's the difference between a city fire engine and a country fire engine?
[22:56] <diddledan> nobody?
[22:56] <diddledan> well, a city fire engine goes NEENAANEENAANEENAA. while a country one goes ooh arr. ooh arr. ooh arr.
[22:57] <shauno> I'm trying to order pcbs, and I can't decide on a colour.  this is silly.
[22:57] <diddledan> shauno: red
[22:58] <daftykins> +1 for red
[22:58] <maps|wrk> brb
[22:59] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgI8Q-lwGkc#t=455
[23:03] <maps|wrk> LOL diddledan
[23:03] <maps|wrk> IM FROM near woking
[23:03] <maps|wrk> btw
[23:12] <diddledan> hah! http://www.kitguru.net/channel/generaltech/bob/how-does-a-battlestar-survive-a-cylon-nuclear-strike/
[23:22] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7325972/ <- jquery justified list :)
[23:22] <maps|wrk> :)
[23:23] <ali1234> the ability to check innerWidth (which css cannot do) really simplified it a lot
[23:23] <maps|wrk> what you making
[23:23] <ali1234> a video player
[23:36] <diddledan> open in google chrome: http://workshop.chromeexperiments.com/stars/
[23:37] <diddledan> if you don't feel small after that you're an egotist
[23:37] <diddledan> or a mormon
[23:37] <diddledan> or both?
[23:39] <diddledan> lol @ "Warning: Scientific accuracy is not guaranteed. Please do not use this visualization for interstellar navigation."
[23:41] <diddledan> http://faildesk.net/2014/04/24/throw-back-thursday-pic/ <-- why did they need a "turbo" button. I mean who didn't always have that turned "on"?
[23:43] <shauno> kinda makes me sad that we're back to "open this in this browser" again
[23:43] <diddledan> shauno: yeah, blame google
[23:43] <diddledan> shauno: it _might_ work in others but it's a "chrome experiment" so I would guess not
[23:44] <shauno> seems to work fine in Safari
[23:45] <diddledan> works in firefox, too, by the looks
[23:47] <popey> diddledan: because games at the time assumed a 4.77MHz clock speed
[23:47] <popey> and would run too fast if turbo was "on"
[23:47] <popey> I had one on my Epson pc
[23:47] <maps|wrk> hahha turbo neat
[23:47] <popey> which ran at a whopping 8MHz
[23:47] <maps|wrk> lol
[23:48] <diddledan> nuts
[23:49] <diddledan> nucking ones
[23:50] <diddledan> completely ucking fay uts nay
[23:50] <diddledan> :-p
[23:50] <diddledan> swearing by the backdoor!
[23:50]  * diddledan notes the sign that says "family friendly" or some such
[23:50] <shauno> -_-
[23:58] <diddledan> serials? Linux Voice news roundup this month suggests that kernel-devs are considering QR codes for crash reports


[00:46] <lifeless> wgrant: thanks
[00:55] <StevenK> Hmmm, looks like celery is causing the hang.
[00:55] <StevenK> If I kill the celery main process the test runner actually exits at least.
[01:27] <nigelb> lifeless: looks like I won't be seeing you soon afterall.
[01:28] <StevenK> nigelb: No NZ for you?
[01:29] <nigelb> looks like.
[01:29] <nigelb> Can't say for sure though, sorting out what's next.
[01:36] <mwhudson> :(
[01:42] <sinzui> StevenK, wgrant, wallyworld_ the maintainers of https://launchpad.net/akiban-server cannot access branches
[01:43] <wallyworld_> private branches or any?
[01:43] <wgrant> They're all private
[01:43] <wgrant> sinzui: How'd you discover this?
[01:43] <sinzui> https://code.launchpad.net/akiban-server/+activereviews gives a 403. I can see the page, but I see nothing in it since there is no BVP that covers me
[01:44] <sinzui> wgrant, arielweil reported it to me
[01:44] <sinzui> the issue started in the last 3 hours
[01:44] <wgrant> sinzui: Cannot access branches, or cannot access +activereviews?
[01:44] <sinzui> I hope he will join us in a minute
[01:44] <wgrant> The latter has various known bugs that the recent changes may have exacerbated.
[01:44] <sinzui> the page will not load
[01:44] <wgrant> But it's a very very different situation from not being able to access the branches.
[01:45] <sinzui> it is like something we iterated over raised an Forbidden error
[01:45] <wgrant> I'm trying to track down the OOPS
[01:45] <wgrant> Bug #900431 is what I was thinking of
[01:45] <_mup_> Bug #900431: branch visibility queries do not consider visibility of stacked on branches <403> <branches> <disclosure> <privacy> <sharing> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/900431 >
[01:45] <sinzui> ha, I was looking at that a few minutes ago
[01:47] <wgrant> https://oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-8ccd6bd99a7dab48e98b2f44b941fff9
[01:47] <wgrant> Ah, that's actually another akiban project
[01:47] <wgrant> But same issue, probably.
[01:48] <sinzui> wgrant, I expect that. They have projectgroup-level rules that are applied to all the projects
[01:48] <sinzui> should I set of project-specific rules for them?
[01:49]  * sinzui ponders the swift death of project groups
[01:49] <wgrant> https://oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-2c591db5bd212de7766bf7afcbcbf591
[01:49] <wgrant> For akiban-server
[01:50] <sinzui> I see
[01:50] <sinzui> users cannot see each other's branches because the owner attr is private
[01:51] <sinzui> well not sufficient permission
[01:51] <wgrant> Well
[01:51] <wgrant> They should hold launchpad.View
[01:51] <wgrant> Note that this is a newish branch
[01:51] <wgrant> Just a couple of days old.
[01:51] <wgrant> Can you see who is subscribed?
[01:51] <wgrant> I guess not.
[01:51] <wgrant> Oh
[01:51] <wgrant> Oh no
[01:51] <wgrant> Hm
[01:51] <wgrant> Actually, codehosting should only create branches over XML-RPC...
[01:52] <wgrant> So outdated codehosting code shouldn't matter.
[01:52] <wgrant> Right?
[01:52] <sinzui> I don't think that is a big concern at the moment
[01:52] <wgrant> Hm?
[02:14] <lifeless> nigelb: :( customs?immigration? job?
[02:14] <nigelb> lifeless: immigration
[02:15] <lifeless> nigelb: ugh :(
[02:15] <lifeless> nigelb: did they say why?
[02:16] <nigelb> Mostly, they couldn't get in touch with my current or previous employer.
[02:16] <nigelb> I don't even know what they tried.
[02:17] <nigelb> I have to wait till Mountain View wakes up to figure out what's next.
[02:23] <lifeless> ah, thats very interesting.
[02:23] <lifeless> would they reevaluate if they could ?
[02:24] <nigelb> I suppose they willl.
[02:24] <sinzui> nigelb, Sorry to hear that. The US Government makes it very hard to hide talent. They make companies and hiring managers to a lot of work because the US doesn't believe skill is needed for any job
[02:24] <nigelb> sinzui: This is NZ, not US
[02:24] <lifeless> sinzui: s/hide/hire/ ?
[02:24] <sinzui> NZ is better I think/
[02:24] <sinzui> yes hire
[02:25] <sinzui> though I did think to try and hide on H1 visa employee I had. I hate to see good people go
[02:28] <ajmitch> nigelb: I hope you can reapply & get approved
[02:45] <nigelb> ajmitch: yeah, I hope so too.
[04:05] <wgrant> wallyworld_: There were disturbingly few failures from the trigger removal. I've sent it back after fixing them.
[04:06] <StevenK> How few, out of interest?
[04:06] <wgrant> 23
[05:22] <StevenK> wgrant: I don't get why I get test hangs with celery :-(
[05:22] <StevenK> I ran bin/test under strace after lunch and I'm still waiting for my eyes to stop bleeding.
[05:23] <wgrant> Yeah, it happens. Make sure all existing test processes, rabbits, etc. are dead.
[05:24] <lifeless> after 2 hours bleeding you'd hope they are already.
[05:26] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1083954/ it doesn't hang with the diff as it is, but if you uncomment the branch_invisible_filter line or the branch unsubscribe loop in run(), it does
[05:32] <nigelb> Every time I'm about to expire from a team, I twich at the blatant lies the email says.
[05:32] <StevenK> nigelb: You and me both.
[05:33] <nigelb> StevenK: How fugly is it to fix?
[05:33] <nigelb> I might be tempted to spin LP up in a VM for this :/
[05:34] <StevenK> I keep getting stuck on wording
[05:35] <nigelb> My problem is the "One more email" bit.
[05:35] <lifeless> of course, the real irony here is that noone except a few team admins value that setup at all.
[05:36] <wgrant> lifeless: Yeah, our new team creation forms go to some lengths to hide that, and we're removing the autorenew option because it's stupid.
[05:37] <wgrant> We can't really remove the self-renewing, but we're going to conceal it.
[05:37] <lifeless> autorenew is == nonexpiry
[05:37] <lifeless> so I'm +1 on that
[05:37] <nigelb> I also want to say "I know. Keep quiet".
[05:37] <lifeless> self renewing, I'm fairly sure a rigorous set of interviews with stakeholders and users could remove
[05:38] <lifeless> I'm glad you're going to make it less prominent in the short term
[05:38] <wgrant> lifeless: Ubuntu uses it extensively to try to prevent teams from accumulating cruft.
[05:38] <lifeless> yes
[05:38] <lifeless> Does it work?
[05:38] <nigelb> no :P
[05:39] <wgrant> Apparently it does :)
[05:39] <nigelb> ...
[05:39] <StevenK> Haha, you told him
[05:40] <nigelb> Did I give him bad news?
[05:40] <nigelb> Destroy his dream?
[05:40] <nigelb> :P
[05:41] <StevenK> That's okay, I'm sure he can come up with a good dream, half implement it and then have wgrant rewrite it.
[05:41] <nigelb> Or have you delete it.
[05:51] <spm> heya nigelb
[05:57] <StevenK> wgrant: Sigh, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1083975/ is the actual diff
[06:14] <StevenK> wgrant: So, those hangs were caused by one typo, and one referencing person_id instead of personID.
[06:14] <StevenK>  /wrists
[06:19] <wgrant> StevenK: Yeah
[06:19] <wgrant> StevenK: This is the problem with running all the tests under celery
[06:19] <wgrant> When we really should have more direct tests that are about 20x faster.
[06:20] <StevenK> wgrant: So, I wanted to chat about it, anyway.
[06:26] <StevenK> wgrant: I wonder if would be worth trying to nail the two queries into one
[06:29] <wgrant> StevenK: Bugs and branches?
[06:29] <StevenK> wgrant: Yeah
[06:34] <wgrant> StevenK: You like to tempt fate.
[06:34] <wgrant> I would not.
[06:34] <StevenK> wgrant: Heh
[06:34] <StevenK> wgrant: I can put up this branch at it stands then, and you can see if you vomit?
[06:35] <wgrant> Yes.
[06:35] <wgrant> I shall bring my own bucket.
[06:35] <StevenK> Is it a red bucket?
[06:44] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/teach-rasj-about-branches/+merge/114106
[06:58] <wgrant> stop-using-legacy-bug-access => devel     [OK]       (up for 2:52:53) i-86ee57fe
[06:58] <wgrant> remove-legacy-bug-access => devel         [OK]       (up for 2:42:03) i-9ed069e6
[06:58] <wgrant> Yay
[06:58] <nigelb> hey spm :)
[06:59] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1084037/ per your comments
[07:05] <wgrant> StevenK: Sounds good.
[07:09] <StevenK> lifeless: Last use of IMemcacheClient is about to get removed.
[07:10] <StevenK> I'm not sure if we want to drop it completly or keep it around for garbo jobs.
[07:11] <wgrant> Keep it for now.
[07:11] <wgrant> The infrastructure which allowed people to easily abuse it is gone, so it's not particularly problematic to keep the remains around.
[07:12] <StevenK> Until we have something else, I guess.
[07:12] <wgrant> We'll hopefully make use of memcache soon
[07:12] <wgrant> Just in ways that make sense.
[07:13] <StevenK> To do what?
[07:13] <wgrant> Make pages lightning fast, perhaps.
[07:13] <wgrant> Previously we've used memcache to take pages from timing out to near-acceptably glacial.
[07:13] <wgrant> With no invalidation
[07:14] <wgrant> Which is a completely inappropriate way to use it
[07:14] <wgrant> memcached it great at taking pages from fast to lightning fast.
[07:14] <wgrant> s/it/is/
[07:14]  * StevenK races ec2
[07:17] <StevenK> I wish AWS could start up an instance in a few seconds rather than ~ 180
[07:19] <lifeless> StevenK: e.g. load in json blobs for entire pages, then do cheap business logic validation and render
[07:20] <StevenK> lifeless: Right, so your plans to rip it out completly are on ice?
[07:26] <lifeless> StevenK: I never put forward such a plan
[07:27] <lifeless> StevenK: I ripped out inappropriate uses
[07:27] <lifeless> StevenK: and said we definitely couldn't remove it entirely while it was used
[07:27] <lifeless> but also that there are valid uses for it still
[07:27] <lifeless> I guess that that is ambiguous at best
[07:27] <lifeless> sinzui has expressed interest in entirely destroying it ;)
[07:49] <adeuring> good morning
[08:16] <stub> wgrant: The problem we found with memcache is there isn't much we can actually cache in the webapp.
[08:29] <cjwatson> wgrant: what did you mean by "it'd be nice if we could fix BPB/PU permissions around copies"?
[08:31] <cjwatson> BPBs seem to already have code to check whether SPRs have been copied to a visible archive, much as I just added to PU
[08:35] <wgrant> stub: There's *tonnes*. Just not in the way we were doing it before.
[08:35] <wgrant> cjwatson: Right, what you've done with PU matches BPB
[08:35] <wgrant> cjwatson: So it'll do for now. But neither is correct.
[10:45] <danilos> gmb, hi, I've got a simple MP up (that's fixing qa-bad landing and thus includes the full patch that's already been reviewed): https://code.launchpad.net/~danilo/launchpad/bug-1021196/+merge/114157
[10:45] <gmb> danilos, Looking.
[10:46] <danilos> gmb, thanks, fwiw, new changes up at https://pastebin.canonical.com/69731/
[10:47] <gmb> danilos, Approved.
[10:48] <danilos> gmb, woohoo, thanks
[10:50] <jam> dpm: did anything happen with opening Q translations?
[10:51] <danilos> gmb, do I need to use any special flags to mark the rollback as cleaned up now? (I assume not, but just checking)
[10:51] <gmb> danilos, Not that I know of, no.
[10:51] <danilos> cool, thanks
[10:53] <dpm> hi jam, sorry for not having come back to you earlier. I'm working on the Ubuntu app showdown right now, and I won't be able to do any translations work until the end of the week. Let me come back to you then.
[10:53] <jam> dpm: is there another Ubuntu-translations person? or is it just you?
[10:53] <jam> (*I* don't need them open, but I figure Ubuntu wants to open them pretty soon)
[10:53] <jam> Also, I was wondering if we would want to re-start the copy in case there were new P translations since we did the copy
[10:55] <dpm> jam, anyone in the ubuntu-translations-coordinators team can open translations, but there are still some pending tasks, such as manually approving/blocking templates in the Q translations imports queue that should probably be done. I listed them on the e-mail I sent to the ubuntu-translations-coordinators list and to you before going on holiday
[10:58] <dpm> but I'll get onto it by the end of the week, it's just that the app showdown is a higher priority right now
[11:59] <jam> cjwatson: any chance you got to the filenames list yet?
[12:03] <cjwatson> sorry, not quite yet
[13:19] <Laney> how hard is the LoC delta policy? :-)
[13:58] <rick_h_> Laney: pretty solid, no credit atm?
[13:59] <Laney> rick_h_: nah, this is only my second change. But it's only 30 lines. I'll find it.
[13:59] <rick_h_> Laney: ok thanks. Looks ok otherwise, left a comment on your question on the test adjustment
[13:59] <Laney> ty
[14:01] <nigelb> Laney: ONE OF US, ONE OF US!
[14:01] <nigelb> :D
[14:01] <nigelb> (though I haven't written LP code in a long time:( )
[14:03] <Laney> DO IT.
[14:10] <cjwatson> kill off another doctest, that's usually a good candidate :)
[14:10] <cjwatson> (where by "kill off" I mean "rewrite as unit tests" of course)
[15:28] <cjwatson> wgrant: I think it should be safe to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/queue-api-fix-urls/+merge/113776 again now; the PU security changes have landed and I fixed it to redirect everything through the webapp
[15:47] <jcsackett> rick_h_, gmb: can one of you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~jcsackett/launchpad/hidden-comment-count-error/+merge/114219
[15:49] <rick_h_> jcsackett: loading up
[15:49] <jcsackett> thanks.
[16:02] <rick_h_> jcsackett: so this /home/jc/wtf.html file?
[16:02] <rick_h_> just for sanity checking hte tests?
[16:03] <jcsackett> rick_h_: that should have been deleted. :-P
[16:03] <jcsackett> one sec.
[16:04] <jcsackett> ok, that line is gone and change is being pushed. sorry, rick_h_.
[16:04] <rick_h_> jcsackett: k, also, not following the out of order logic. Shouldn't it be adding more time to the hidden comment so that the last one comes before it?
[16:04] <jcsackett> no, because i need a visible comment before and after the hidden, but i need to move the hidden out of it's usual spot.
[16:05] <jcsackett> so, i push the last one way out and push the hidden one slightly less out in time.
[16:05] <rick_h_> ah ok, so the moving of the last assures there's something after, so this should drop -5 to -2 and the last stays last
[16:05] <jcsackett> yup.
[16:05] <rick_h_> ok gotcha.
[16:06] <rick_h_> jcsackett: ok r=me
[16:06] <jcsackett> thanks, rick_h_.
[17:30] <jcsackett> sinzui: free to talk a bit?
[17:34] <sinzui> jcsackett, in a few minutes yes, and only for a few minutes
[17:34]  * sinzui has meeting at 2:00
[17:34] <jcsackett> dig. i'll get on google+ post haste.
[17:36] <jcsackett> sinzui: set up. you get the invite?
[17:42]  * cjwatson wonders what the record is for number of branches attached to a single-task bug
[19:31] <lifeless> cjwatson: what ever it is, its too many.
[21:32] <maxb> Could a member of ~launchpad nuke ~registry's bugmail subscription here, please: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-foundations/+subscriptions
[21:33]  * sinzui loos
[21:33] <sinzui> looks
[21:34] <maxb> ugh, actually, there are lots
[21:34] <maxb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~registry/+structural-subscriptions
[21:34] <sinzui> holy #!!!
[21:35] <sinzui> someone deleted a team without cleanup
[21:38] <sinzui> The subscriptions are gone.
[21:39] <sinzui> I am checking branches
[22:17] <sinzui> http://people.canonical.com/~curtis/lp-milestone/report.html
[22:18] <sinzui> ^ StevenK, wgrant, wallyworld_
[23:48] <wgrant> StevenK: You'll want to confirm that with jtv.
[23:49] <StevenK> Yeah
[23:49] <StevenK> wgrant: I'm looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/queue-api-fix-urls/+merge/113776 , and I'm concerned by lines 215-219
[23:53] <wgrant> StevenK: I haven't looked at the recent changes in that branch yet. Let me see.
[23:53] <wgrant> win 45
[23:54] <wgrant> StevenK: What worries you?
[23:55] <wgrant> StevenK: It looks pretty good to me.
[23:55] <wgrant> The lack of traversal to binaries is odd, but understandable.
[23:55] <StevenK> wgrant: SPRF.one()
[23:56] <wgrant> StevenK: It's restricting by filename
[23:56] <wgrant> We have bigger problems if there's multiple SPRFs in one SPR with the same filename.
[23:56] <StevenK> Ah


[01:38] <litropy> So I know it's nitpicky and trivial, but it says May 23th as opposed to May 23rd in the release schedule
[01:38] <litropy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule
[01:41] <BluesKaj> litropy, someone's spellcheck is messed up :)
[01:44] <johnjohn101> nice pick up.  4 more months!!
[01:48] <IdleOne> litropy: fixed
[01:57] <litropy> Hah, thx. I'll be sure to update my resume: "Ubuntu Contributor"
[07:49] <SorenHolm> Hi
[07:49] <SorenHolm> Do you know what is happening with kde-workspace-*. Upgrades are currently impossible because of missing dependencies.
[08:33] <yofel> SorenHolm: that's bits an pieces required for the in-progress kde sc 4.10.80 release already being in the archive. Try not to dist-upgrade kde for the next few days
[08:38] <SorenHolm> yofel: thanks - I was just wondering it is was an accidential change. :)
[11:16] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:45] <Orion78> Hi, I use Ubuntu 13.10, today I made an upgrade after something like 3 weeks (or mabye more) of no-upgrade period. After reboot I noticed that my network interface names are no longer renamed according to /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules. Anybody knows what can be the problem here?
[13:47] <BluesKaj> Orion78, network interface names ? How have they changed ?
[13:50] <Orion78> BluesKaj: I have two hardware network cards, one build into motherboard 1GBit (which I do not use) and one PCI realtek 8139, before an upgrade 8139 was eth0 and builtin was eth1, now it is the opposite.
[13:51] <Orion78> BluesKaj: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules has entries to make 8139 -> eth0 and buildin -> eth1, but those entries are not applied.
[13:51] <BluesKaj> Orion78, is there 'network pci card as default' setting in the bios
[13:51] <BluesKaj> ?
[13:51] <Orion78> I do not know.
[13:53] <BluesKaj> Orion78, do you use network manager ?
[13:53] <Orion78> BluesKaj: but, renaming network cards worked before an upgrade, I could name cards as I pleaded, it does not work now and it bothers me.
[13:53] <Orion78> BluesKaj: no, I do not have it even installed.
[13:55] <BluesKaj> ok what about your /etc/network/interfaces ethernet settings , you might want to check the settings there
[13:56] <Orion78> BluesKaj: standard stuff there, static interface configuration for eth0
[13:56] <BluesKaj> so what about the onboard ethernet ?
[13:57] <Orion78> BluesKaj: I do not use it cause it sucks.
[13:57] <BluesKaj> yes, but is it listed ?
[13:58] <Orion78> BluesKaj: in /etc/network/interfaces? no
[13:58] <Orion78> BluesKaj: wait, in /etc/network/interfaces are only listed lo and eth0
[13:59] <Orion78> BluesKaj: It happens that after boot eth0 is onboard card.
[13:59] <BluesKaj> no static , ok then change it to eth1
[13:59] <Orion78> BluesKaj: in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules I have both cards with names I want them to have.
[14:00] <Orion78> BluesKaj: why?
[14:01] <Orion78> Will it help me to rename my network cards as I plead?
[14:01] <BluesKaj> well , if the rules aren't persistent then why not?
[14:01] <Orion78> BluesKaj: what do you mean rules aren't persistent?
[14:02] <BluesKaj> the assigned names aren't working
[14:02] <Orion78> BluesKaj: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules is not updated, it is an old file with correct entries.
[14:02] <Orion78> Oh, I got it, you are proposing a workaround.
[14:03] <Orion78> Thank you, but no.
[14:03] <Orion78> I want to know why renaming stopped working and make it work again.
[14:05] <BluesKaj> well , then someone else will have to answer that ..I have no idea .unless that rule file is no longer valid
[14:10] <BluesKaj> why not just go with the default settings and use eth1 in the interfaces file
[14:11] <BluesKaj> or whatever the pci nic is assigned
[14:11] <Orion78> BluesKaj: I moved /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and regenerated it with  # echo add > /sys/class/net/eth0/uevent, it appears that the entry format has changed.
[14:12] <Orion78> BluesKaj: I edited /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules to make names as I wanted and I will reboot now, I will report back after reboot.
[14:17] <Orion78> BluesKaj: It didn't work :)
[14:20] <BluesKaj> well, dunno why you insist on using a rule that doesn't seem to be applicable ..13.10 is a dev release after all , not everything is expected to work as it should .
[14:23] <Orion78> BluesKaj: If I am not be able to fix it today I will eventualy be forced to switch to eth1 temporarily. I just do not like to give in to technical problems.
[14:24] <BluesKaj> Orion78, I mean the pci nic assigned ethernet , ethX , or whatever that numberX is
[14:25] <BluesKaj> i do not mean, use the onboard
[14:25] <Orion78> BluesKaj: I got it the first time :)
[14:27] <BluesKaj> one has to be sure :)
[14:29] <Orion78> BluesKaj: Thank you.
[14:38] <genii> BluesKaj: We have a couple machines here that we want eth0 to be the onboard then eth1 through eth 6 to be the pci NIC cards. But if you have all the adapters in and set up, the first PCI one usually is eth0, then it goes through all those and the onboard becomes eth6 in the end. So we have to tinker with the 70-persistent-net.rules file for that. The onboard in this case is like the cascade/uplink port of a router and needs to be gigabit and not fast
[14:38] <genii>  ethernet, etc.
[14:39] <BluesKaj> ok, but is there a nic setting the bios for pcis?
[14:40] <BluesKaj> or is the  70-persistent-net.rule required , genii ?
[14:41] <genii> BluesKaj: No bios settings. So the only way is custom udev rule like that.
[14:42] <BluesKaj> ok genii , good to know , thanks
[16:39] <johnjohn101> wow, running pidgin, firefox and my 13.10 system is using 1.1 GB memory
[18:47] <FernandoMiguel> and now chrome chrashes on start up? :S
[19:16] <johnjohn101> FernandoMiguel: chrome or chromium?  i don't have any problems with chromium default home page
[19:16] <FernandoMiguel> chrome. dev!
[19:16] <FernandoMiguel> reported it as https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=251848 and someone deleted it
[19:16] <FernandoMiguel> great, just great
[19:16] <johnjohn101> memory usage is quite high on 13.10
[19:17] <FernandoMiguel> tell me about it
[19:17] <johnjohn101> oh no, it was deleted
[19:17] <FernandoMiguel> yeah, I know! feeling kinda bumped!
[19:17] <johnjohn101> no issue no bug!!
[19:18] <johnjohn101> can't believe using 25% of memory on a 4 GB machine using pidgin, chromium, firefox.
[19:19] <FernandoMiguel> johnjohn101: I've got OOM with just chrome and firefox (and java CrashPlan)
[19:19] <FernandoMiguel> on 8GBs of RAM
[19:19] <johnjohn101> i guess lightweight linux a thing of the past.
[19:20] <FernandoMiguel> eheh
[19:21] <FernandoMiguel> I have a chromebook... 1.5GB RAM... not enough to run ChromeOS for a poweruser
[19:23] <FernandoMiguel> got it up with $ google-chrome --no-experiments
[19:27] <johnjohn101> what are you running on it?
[19:29] <FernandoMiguel> johnjohn101: ?
[19:31] <johnjohn101> your chromebook, didn't understand what you posted
[19:34] <FernandoMiguel> johnjohn101: it's samsung  arm chromebook, running stock chromeOS beta branch
[19:38] <johnjohn101> and it barely runs on that hardware?
[19:38] <FernandoMiguel> yeah
[20:59] <FernandoMiguel> darn
[20:59] <FernandoMiguel> unity-panel-service is totally broken
[20:59] <FernandoMiguel> it used to use all CPU
[20:59] <FernandoMiguel> but now won't even restart
[21:00] <Ian_Corne> I've not had unity work for me since I updated
[21:00] <FernandoMiguel> and it complains it's not supported in my HW
[21:00] <FernandoMiguel> now that chrome finally supports WebGL on my HD3000
[21:00] <FernandoMiguel> unity stops....
[21:02] <FernandoMiguel> nautilus also crashing when dropbox is running
[21:02] <Ian_Corne> I think my issue is with fglrx
[21:02] <FernandoMiguel> it's going to be one of those cycles .....
[21:05] <johnjohn101> FernandoMiguel: still very early in the cycle, right?
[21:05] <FernandoMiguel> no idea
[21:06] <FernandoMiguel> I always start on day One
[21:06] <johnjohn101> i've had to reload once and i just use mimimal until beta comes out
[21:07] <johnjohn101> i think alpha 1 stage is 8 days away
[21:08] <dmiller309> I asked this under #ubuntu-app-devel, but no one is there. Is there a way to emit a PropertiesChanged signal using Q_PROPERTIES? I'm trying to implement this: http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-specification.html#standard-interfaces-properties, as per http://www.mentby.com/Group/dbus/propertieschanged-signal-take-2.html.
[21:08] <dmiller309> This is with the Qt5 DBus interface.
[21:19] <johnjohn101> FernandoMiguel:  are  you running on hardware or in a VM?
[21:19] <FernandoMiguel> hw
[21:19] <FernandoMiguel> always hw
[21:20] <johnjohn101> intel,nvdia,or amd?
[21:20] <FernandoMiguel> for years
[21:20] <FernandoMiguel> on this, intel HD3000
[21:20] <johnjohn101> is that sandy bridge?
[21:21] <FernandoMiguel> something like that
[21:21] <FernandoMiguel> I never know their names
[21:21] <FernandoMiguel> [    0.072344] Performance Events: PEBS fmt1+, 16-deep LBR, SandyBridge events, Intel PMU driver.
[21:22] <FernandoMiguel> [    0.072327] smpboot: CPU0: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz (fam: 06, model: 2a, stepping: 07)
[21:25] <johnjohn101> ut oh, got the partial upgrade thing...  i guess i'm going to wait a few days
[21:29] <dmiller309> I got the same partial upgrade complaint, but you can usually fix it yourself with Synaptic.
[21:30] <dmiller309> Usually update-manager just does a partial update because you have an old package that's conflicting with new packages that need to be installed to complete the update.
[21:34] <johnjohn101> i hope i dont have to reload
[21:34] <johnjohn101> i guess this is the alpha level with all the packages.. it's a lot
[21:35] <johnjohn101> alpha 1
[21:38] <johnjohn101> ok survived the reboot, whew
[21:55] <FernandoMiguel> alias distupgrade='sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[21:55] <FernandoMiguel> that's what I run at least once a day
[22:00] <dmiller309> That's interesting.
[22:05] <johnjohn101> i just hit software updater once in the morning and once in the afternoon
[22:13] <FernandoMiguel> there's a button? :O
[22:24] <johnjohn101> so far, i don't see much of a difference between 13.04 and 13.10.
[22:25] <johnjohn101> scopes and kernel
[22:26] <wilee-nilee> rarely is
[22:26] <FernandoMiguel> johnjohn101: your first +1?
[22:27] <johnjohn101> first this early.
[22:27] <FernandoMiguel> I've been on +1 since 2007
[22:27] <johnjohn101> i usually start at alpha 2 + two weeks
[22:27] <FernandoMiguel> was on beta with 2006.10
[22:28] <FernandoMiguel> I think I've been on +1 since day one starting in 2008... not sure
[22:29] <johnjohn101> do you open bugs?
[22:30] <johnjohn101> i just use basically 3 apps. pidgin, firefox, chromium
[22:30] <FernandoMiguel> not as many as I used to
[22:30] <johnjohn101> will test libreoffice when it changes
[22:30] <FernandoMiguel> johnjohn101: I use those yeah, a several more
[22:35] <johnjohn101> linux/ubuntu is pretty mature.  just seems more incremental now.
[22:52] <johnjohn101> ha, can't change background
[23:01] <FernandoMiguel> nity nite
[23:16] <clickclack> having trouble running software center
[23:16] <clickclack> here is my error log http://pastebay.net/1241735
[23:16] <clickclack> not error log just the spit from terminal
[23:17] <wilee-nilee> clickclack, What about a update from the cli, can you pastebin the text.
[23:17] <dmiller309> Looks like you might be having this problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus-python/+bug/1068680
[23:17] <dmiller309> You have python-dbus installed?
[23:17] <clickclack> have not installed it manually
[23:17] <dmiller309> If it's a python/dbus problem, then you also might not be able to use Ubuntu One.
[23:18] <dmiller309> It's strange that you have the problem and I don't.
[23:18] <clickclack> one sec and il try installing dbus,
[23:18] <dmiller309> Okay.
[23:19] <clickclack> is the package name just dbus-python?
[23:21] <clickclack> both dbus and python-dbus are newest versions
[23:21] <dmiller309> Ahh, sorry. That's what I have too.
[23:22] <dmiller309> Can you run the software center from the Guest Session?
[23:23] <dmiller309> If you can run it from the guest session, then you'll know that it's an issue with your local config.
[23:24] <clickclack> trying that now
[23:25] <clickclack> nope wont work in guest
[23:25] <clickclack> and ubuntu one is not working either
[23:31] <clickclack> found something that says to try installing sip and qt4 however it throws me this
[23:32] <clickclack> The following packages have unmet dependencies:  python-qt4 : Depends: sip-api-9.2 E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. justyn@justyn-ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install sip-api-9.2 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done Package sip-api-9.2 is a virtual package provided by:   python-sip 4.14.7-1 [Not candidate version]  E: Package 'sip-api-9.2' has no i
[23:33] <yofel> that needs python-qt4 rebuilt against new sip. Should be done within a day
[23:35] <clickclack> fixed
[23:35] <clickclack> just install sip,


[10:16] <ashtree> Hi, anyone know how to crate a none hybrid ,img
[10:18] <ashtree> ill try a difrent chanel
[17:20] <elopio> rhuddie: ping. Can you help me with the test output discussion that you had with jibel?
[17:21] <elopio> or jibel if you are around.
[17:22] <rhuddie> elopio, sure
[17:22] <elopio> rhuddie: I see that the default autopilot output will print all he's requesting.
[17:22] <elopio> do we need to do something other than printing the pyunit results?
[17:24] <rhuddie> elopio, well what was discussed was, run-rate, pass-rate, duration of each test, and a list of failures (if i remember correctly)
[17:24] <elopio> rhuddie: well, runtime is the only thing that this doesn't give us.
[17:25] <elopio> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9444367/
[17:26] <rhuddie> elopio, I was also about to say a summary of the error, so that looks good
[17:28] <rhuddie> elopio, does this tell you how many tests are expected to run?
[17:28] <elopio> rhuddie: ok, so I'll do that task as it's easy from where I am.
[17:28] <elopio> rhuddie: well, it tells us   the number of tests it ran.
[17:29] <elopio> which should be the same. There is no reason for it to miss any.
[17:31] <rhuddie> elopio, what was discussed was that if a test is aborted or a test suite terminates early, the run rate might be reported higher, because the remaining tests were not executed
[17:32] <rhuddie> elopio, can we get that number from autopilot list command?
[17:33] <elopio> rhuddie: we can. But I think it would be better to use the autopilot timeout command so all tests that run longer are reported as failures.
[17:35] <rhuddie> elopio, well, main thing is to make sure the results are accurate :)
[18:46] <dobey> never before have i had such a difficult time using xvfb :-/
[20:11] <balloons> Letozaf_, doug5 buonasera
[20:11] <Letozaf_> balloons, buonasera :)
[20:12] <elfy> hey Letozaf_ :)
[20:13] <Letozaf_> elfy, hey, howzit ?
[20:15] <doug5> Letozaf_, balloons hello guys! how is it going?
[20:16] <elfy> good thanks Letozaf_ - you?
[20:16] <elfy> hi doug5
[20:16] <Letozaf_> elfy, fine thanks
[20:16] <Letozaf_> doug5, hi
[20:16]  * balloons waves to all
[20:17] <balloons> Just writing up some things and prepping for the demo tomorrow
[20:19]  * elfy is glad he realised that was all voodoery before watching :p
[20:41] <doug5> balloons, is mihir generally available here?
[20:42] <balloons> doug5, generally yes, but he isn't around for a couple weeks at the moment
[20:43] <balloons> I *think* anyway
[20:43] <doug5> balloons, ok, I will try to contact him via email
[20:43] <balloons> doug5, ahh yes, starting dec 7th he was/is away
[20:49] <doug5> balloons, I found something strange: when we open the new event page with the bottom edge button sometimes the default calendar is not "personal"
[20:49] <doug5> balloons, same is not true if we open the new event page with the standard button
[20:49] <balloons> doug5, hmm.. I filed a bug about that once, and I believe it's now in the default test to prevent a regression
[20:50] <balloons> it may have regressed. Let me find the bug
[20:59] <balloons> doug5, found it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1347841
[21:00] <dobey> elopio: well, i got the autopilot tests running inside autopkgtest finally, without any weird display or unity8-dash issues
[21:00] <dobey> elopio: unfortunately, qemu crashes while the tests are running
[21:01] <balloons> dobey, what exactly are you up to?
[21:01] <elopio> dobey: that sucks.
[21:01] <dobey> balloons: trying to get autopilot tests running for click scope, in the autopkgtest infrastructure
[21:02] <elopio> dobey: is it qemu's fault, or something weird we are doing in the test?
[21:02] <balloons> hmm.. so you need unity8 then, and you are running it in qemu. Are you trying it in the emulator then I take it? could you run it in a desktop env instead?
[21:03] <dobey> no, this is in qemu under xvfb
[21:03] <dobey> elopio: i think just qemu being unstable afaict
[21:04] <dobey> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9446765/
[21:04] <balloons> dobey, ahh, then the opposite question holds (running it in the emulator) :-)
[21:05] <dobey> balloons: no, this is autopkgtest :)
[21:05] <doug5> balloons, ok, I raised the point with mihir
[21:05] <dobey> if it was in the emulator, i wouldn't need xvfb
[21:05] <dobey> as mir would be running there
[21:06] <balloons> dobey, right.. I'm curious though why you can't use it. I get it's autopkgtest, but hmm..
[21:06] <dobey> balloons: why i can't use what?
[21:07] <balloons> in theory you just want to test the click scope right? And for the moment actually that test makes the most sense in the phone env, or is this not the case?
[21:08] <dobey> balloons: no. i don't think it makes sense to use the phone emulator here
[21:08] <dobey> it'd be too slow, and would result in a vm running inside a vm
[21:10] <balloons> ok, just sanity checking
[21:10] <elopio> dobey: balloons: better on a vm during MPs. But the test class is ready to run in a phone or emulator.
[21:10] <dobey> and qemu would probably still segfault
[21:11] <elopio> balloons: we are forced to use qemu, right?
[21:11] <elopio> I would prefer an lxc.
[21:12] <balloons> "forced"? autopkgtest does support containers
[21:12] <dobey> i would prefer not an lxc
[21:13] <dobey> problem with lxc is that $HOME in the container is $HOME outside the container
[21:13] <dkessel> good evening qua
[21:13] <dobey> at least, without plenty of modification to make it otherwise
[21:13] <dobey> which causes problems
[21:13] <dkessel> +lity.
[21:13] <balloons> good evening dkessel
[21:14] <dobey> would be nice to run it in sbuild or something
[21:14] <balloons> dobey, lxc is the recommended way to run.. That said, schroot and chroots also work, but aren't nearly as nice
[21:15] <balloons> let me think.. there's also ssh, heh. You could use a cloud vm or something
[21:16] <dobey> balloons: well, the way i need to run it is the same way that it is run in jenkins
[21:17] <dobey> and jenkins is running with qemu
[21:20] <balloons> tell jenkins to let you in on the secret!
[21:21] <dobey> there's no secret
[21:21] <dobey> the autopilot tests are not currently being run
[21:21] <dobey> so qemu doesn't crash in that case
[21:22] <dobey> running the autopilot tests results in a crash
[21:22] <balloons> ahh.. well then
[21:26] <doug5> balloons, I think that when this problem is gone, we should be ok
[21:29] <balloons> doug5, that's awesome. you have an MP?
[21:29] <doug5> balloons, should I create one even if the tests are failing?
[21:30] <balloons> doug5, sure if you code you believe is complete
[21:30] <balloons> you could even add a comment about it on the MP. I like to see MP's
[21:30] <balloons> personally speaking :-)
[21:30] <doug5> ok, I'll do
[21:37] <dobey> elopio: might not be able to land this branch any time soon, thanks to qemu crashing, but might be able to use a little bit of what i learned from making those tests run, to perhapse get the autopilot tests more stable when being run directly for an MP in jenkins
[21:37] <dobey> assuming those aren't also going through qemu
[21:37] <elopio> dobey: yes, they are not qemu. but they have ubuntu-desktop installed which makes some other problems.
[21:38] <elopio> dobey: that plan sounds good, of course.
[21:38] <elopio> dobey: and maybe you can also do autopkg for ubuntucredentials, which should be more simple.
[21:39] <elopio> ubuntuone-credentials I mean.
[21:40] <elopio> dobey: we can tell jfunk to put pressure on somebody to get qemu fixed. Can you report a bug? and do you know who can work on that?
[21:40] <dobey> no idea
[21:41] <dobey> i don't see a crash report
[21:41] <dobey> and i'm not sure if it's really qemu at fault or if it's autopilot or something else
[21:41] <elopio> dobey: we can ask pitti for some help when he's back.
[21:42] <dobey> sure
[21:42] <dobey> i don't know that ubuntuone-credentials will be any simpler
[21:42] <dobey> well, i mean it's not running unity8-dash of course
[21:43] <dobey> but still
[21:48] <doug5> balloons, https://code.launchpad.net/~acerisara/ubuntu-calendar-app/bottom-edge-autopilot/+merge/244229
[21:51] <balloons> doug5, thanks. Is this intended to merge into mihir's branch
[21:51] <balloons> ?
[21:52] <doug5> balloons, I don't know which is the standard normal flow in this case...I just took mihir's stuff and added the changes on top of that
[21:53] <balloons> doug5, right it gets a bit more murky. I would change the proposal to merge into lp:~mihirsoni/ubuntu-calendar-app/bottomEdge so it will cleanly show what you added
[21:53] <balloons> make sense?
[21:54] <doug5> how can I do that from launchpad? resubmit proposal?
[21:55] <balloons> doug5, yes
[21:58] <balloons> doug5, hmm, maybe not much cleaner eh? :-)
[21:58] <balloons> doug5, ohh I see, mihir's branch is behind trunk
[21:58] <balloons> makes sense
[21:58] <doug5> balloons, :) I guess it's because I took master, then I merged
[21:58] <balloons> yep yep
[21:59] <doug5> yes exactly, his branch is not updated
[21:59] <balloons> k, so I think it's all in his hands for the moment
[22:00] <balloons> good work
[22:04] <doug5> balloons, yes, I sent him an email; I think the problem is that one because I saw the issue by running manually the application, will see
[22:04] <doug5> balloons, I have to go now, I'll come back as soon as I have news
[22:04] <balloons> ahh right, understandable
[22:04] <doug5> balloons, cheers
[22:04] <balloons> doug5, cheers and thanks!
[22:12] <dobey> elopio: hrmm, i think the ubuntuone-credentials ap tests need updated
[22:13] <elopio> dobey: last time I ran them was like a month ago. And I haven't seen any changes since then.
[22:13] <elopio> but I could be wrong.
[22:14] <dobey> huh
[22:14] <dobey> autopilot.exceptions.StateNotFoundError: Object not found with name 'NewAccount'.
[22:14] <dobey> well it is apparently not finding the thing
[22:15] <dobey> wonder why that is
[22:15] <dobey> the component is definitely there
[22:15] <elopio> dobey: is that running from the cmake task?
[22:15] <dobey> elopio: no, this is running from autopkgtest inside qemu :)
[22:21] <dobey> file:///usr/lib/Main.qml: File not found
[22:21] <dobey> hmm
[22:21] <dobey> that's probably not good :)
[22:22] <dobey> why is it trying to load that file
[22:26] <dobey> i see
[22:35] <dobey> it's using the wrong include path for qmlscene
[22:38] <nikjov> hello? :) Anyone there?
[22:42] <nikjov> I would like to help you with writing autopilot tests? Since I'm still learning Python can anyone direct me how I can be usefull to you guys? :-)
[22:43] <balloons> nikjov, hello
[22:43] <nikjov> hi
[22:44] <nikjov> how can I help?
[22:44] <balloons> nikjov, might I recommend having a look at http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-14.10/python/autopilot/tutorial/tutorial.html to get familiar with autopilot a bit. Then I can walk you through running some tests, and finally writing some tests for the core apps :-)
[22:45] <nikjov> Great! :) Getting right on it, thanks. :)
[22:46] <balloons> nikjov, in case I'm not around and you want to keep going, there is a walkthrough on the wiki that should help: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Testing/ContributeAutopilotTestcase. If you've never used launchpad before see this page to get setup: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases/Launchpad
[22:47] <nikjov> ok that is great, I actually already have Launchpad set up I made an account but If I get stuck anywhere I will get by wiki to see if I can un-stuck myself :-)
[22:54] <balloons> nikjov, dinner time for me, I'll be back later. Feel free to leave questions if you get them.
[22:58] <Retrotime1987> Hello there
[22:59] <balloons> howdy Retrotime1987
[22:59] <nikjov> Great. Don't You worry. I would probably have questions.  It's the timezone issue but I'm going through the documentation.
[22:59] <Retrotime1987> Hey can any of you be of assistance in the adding of my account to who we are and hardware sections i cannot figure it out
[23:00] <balloons> Retrotime1987, what's not working for you?
[23:00]  * balloons really does have to run
[23:00] <balloons> bbl
[23:00] <Retrotime1987> Adding myself to the who we are section
[23:01] <Retrotime1987> I can't seem to find where to add myself
[23:01] <balloons> Retrotime1987, ahh, if you login to the wiki, you simply edit the page
[23:02] <Retrotime1987> Thanks
[23:06] <Retrotime1987> ok where is the edit button?
[23:12] <knome> Retrotime1987, top left. make sure you hard refresh (ctrl+shift+R in firefox for example) the page after logging in if it isn't visible
[23:16] <Retrotime1987> welcome spineau
[23:17] <spineau> thx Retrotime1987 :)
[23:17] <Retrotime1987> no problem
[23:20] <Retrotime1987> I seem to be having a problem with virtualbox and testdrive
[23:23] <Retrotime1987> Virtualbox keeps complaining about this: ernel driver not installed (rc=-1908)  The VirtualBox Linux kernel driver (vboxdrv) is either not loaded or there is a permission problem with /dev/vboxdrv. Please reinstall the kernel module by executing  '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup'  as root. If it is available in your distribution, you should install the DKMS package first. This package keeps track of Linux kernel changes and rec
[23:23] <Retrotime1987> y
[23:23] <teward> Retrotime1987: that's probably better suited for a different channel, but have you run that command?
[23:23] <teward> (with sudo if you aren't logged in as root)
[23:26] <Retrotime1987> ok got it fixed
[23:28] <Retrotime1987> thinking about it now i'll just test it on a spare old laptop
[23:41] <Retrotime1987> should this beta say ubuntu gnome?
[23:41] <Retrotime1987> and something about 14.10


[00:07] <BBLake> anyone here?
[00:07] <BBLake> question about ubuntu studio
[00:15] <Goosemoose> what do I need in the preseed.cfg file so edubuntu is installed? I keep getting a terminal
[00:15] <Goosemoose> even though i have: tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard, edubuntu-desktop
[00:17] <snaphappi> hi all, I'm working on this problem with my ubuntu 8.04.1 ltsp install. it's the "ipconfig: eth0: SIOCGIFINDEX: No such device"  bug, with the Marvell/Sky2 eth controller.  if I put in a 2nd Realtek PCI eth controller, the client boots fine. but I can't get the client to PXEboot from the Realtek. can anyone here help?
 responseded: snaphappi, might be that the sky2 module is missing from initramfs's netboot code
 snaphappi, might be that the sky2 module is missing from initramfs's netboot code
[00:19] <snaphappi> But my ltsp server boots fine, and from the server I always type these commands to update the ltsp-image:
[00:19] <snaphappi>     8  sudo ltsp-update-kernels
[00:19] <snaphappi>     9  sudo ltsp-update-image
[00:19] <snaphappi>    10  sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
[00:22] <snaphappi> plus I have this file: /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/kernel/drivers/net/sky2.ko
[01:56] <snaphappi> anyone here who can help me with ltsp client boot?
[03:56] <RickZilla> Ok, just so I get this straight...d/l ubuntu, install it, then d/l the edubuntu addition and install that.  Do I understand that correctly?
[04:54] <sbalneav> Evening all
[05:07] <RickZilla> Hey sbalneav
[05:16] <sbalneav> Hello RickZilla
[05:16] <RickZilla> are you an edubuntu user?
[05:16] <sbalneav> I'm a user and developer.
[05:18] <RickZilla> Just started using ubuntu this week, I'd like to see what edubuntu is all about
[05:20] <sbalneav> It's a collection of education applications in addition to all the regular great stuff in Ubuntu.
[05:20] <sbalneav> Plus, thin client computing.  That's the bit I work on.
[05:21] <RickZilla> I'd like to see what our licensing budget is for this year...it'd be nice if our district could save some bucks on that by switching to open source
[05:23] <sbalneav> Hard to beat free :)
[05:24] <RickZilla> Yep...I've been using GIMP and Wordpress for quite a while, I would consider those high quality software
[05:25] <RickZilla> Are you an educator as well?
[05:27] <sbalneav> No, I'm a systems administrator for Legal Aid Manitoba
[05:27] <sbalneav> But I've been involved with Linux for years and years
[05:29] <RickZilla> That would be a cool gig...I've decided in my next life I'd like to be an educational technology specialist :-)
[15:26] <sbalneav> Morning all
[16:39] <LaserJock> ogra: looks like I managed to get edubuntu-addon-meta using seeds correctly
[16:39]  * ogra applauds
[16:40] <LaserJock> ogra: I added .desktop file for edubuntu-addon-{kde,youth,science} as well
[16:40] <LaserJock> so in the installer they show up in the "Edubuntu desktop" category, just to give people a GUI option for getting those
[16:40] <ogra> cool
[16:41] <LaserJock> used your popcon grabber to add popcon data in
[16:41] <ogra> heh
[16:41] <ogra> popcon is so moot :)
[16:42] <LaserJock> so with that, rasmol, denemo, kverbos, kvoctrain, and keduca are gone
[16:42] <LaserJock> and marble, parley, step, and kalgebra are in
[16:42] <ogra> great
[16:43] <LaserJock> I'm not going to be on IRC much as I really am hitting deadlines with my PhD
[16:43] <sbalneav> You won't be around tomorrow, then?
[16:43] <LaserJock> but I have a couple more tweaks to do to get the meta packages the way I want them
[16:43] <LaserJock> sbalneav: I'm gonna try to pop in but at this point I'm not sure how long I'll be around
[16:43] <LaserJock> sbalneav: but I should be fairly responsive to email (including some bugmail)
[16:43]  * ogra is travelling tomorrom
[16:44] <sbalneav> LaserJock: No problem, I'll handle things tomorrow.
[16:45] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Can you change the title of the irc?
[16:45] <sbalneav> It would be helpful if you could just pop in for 2 seconds and note that it's triage day.
[16:45] <LaserJock> for the metapackages what I have left are 1) use Recommends for edubuntu-desktop 2) make sure the addon-installer menu is good (missing icons and menu items in the wrong place)  and 3) make sure the KDE apps have everything they need to run properly in Gnome
[17:04] <LaserJock> sbalneav: ^^
[17:05] <ogra> not actually "hot" anymore :)
[17:05] <Michiel__> !help
[17:05] <Fritz87> hi
[17:08] <ogra> sbalneav, btw, feature freeze is over, fixes need to go into the packaging or we need exceptions
[17:10] <sbalneav> ok
[17:10] <sbalneav> Michiel__: Hello
[17:10] <Michiel__> sbalneav: hello
[17:10] <sbalneav> Fritz87: hello
[17:10] <Michiel__> I am eghie by the way
[17:10] <Michiel__> my eghie is a ghost for now
[17:10] <Michiel__> client crash and stuff ;)
[17:12] <Fritz87> I am writing a proposal for a course I'm taking that I plan on presenting at my work (I work for the tech department of a local school district)
[17:13] <Fritz87> and was wondering if there are any alternatives to linux terminal service project for lets say, an entire huge school district
[17:13] <Fritz87> because from what i've seen so far from people I've spoken with there is lots of room for improvement
[17:13] <Michiel__> LTSP and DRBL and Nomachine NX are 3 I know
[17:14] <Fritz87> thanks I'll check those out
[17:14] <Michiel__> although, you need to build a distro around Nomachine NX
[17:14] <ogra> yeh, thats only a single app
[17:14] <Michiel__> but you can use the LTSP client distro to intergrate Nomachine NX client for example
[17:15] <ogra> and DRBL isnt installable side by side with LTSP ...
[17:15] <ogra> afaik
[17:15] <ogra> it isnt integrated with the distro as deep as LTSP is
[17:16] <Eghie> ogra: with distro you mean the client or the server?
[17:17] <ogra> ??
[17:17] <ogra> ubuntu
[17:17] <Eghie> because, LTSP isn't that far intergrated in the server distro, I guess
[17:17] <Eghie> it's portable
[17:17] <ogra> sure
[17:17] <ogra> no
[17:17] <Eghie> LTSP not portable?
[17:17] <ogra> ltsp4 was
[17:17] <ogra> ltsp5 isnt by design
[17:18] <ogra> the client is built using the servers tools
[17:18] <Eghie> hmm, yeah, that is true
[17:18] <ogra> unless you run suse that somewhat voilates all policies we have made for ltsp5
[17:19] <ogra> they have a fixed image that gets installed as package afaik
[17:19] <Eghie> ok
[17:19] <ogra> which is somewhat like going back to ltsp 4.x
[17:19] <Eghie> yeah, that's correct
[17:20] <Eghie> I see what you mean
[17:22] <Fritz87> what are the current problems with LTSP? People tell me its less than ideal on a very large scale, but I havent really found anything suggesting that
[17:24] <Eghie> Fritz87: LTSP is often used with Gnome
[17:24] <Eghie> and Gnome has some process which have a habit to stay running after the user logs off
[17:24] <Fritz87> ahhh I see
[17:25] <Fritz87> are people working on a solution for that?
[17:25] <Eghie> but using another Window Manager will solve that problem
[17:25] <Fritz87> oh okay
[17:25] <ogra> or just adding some script bits
[17:25] <Fritz87> so if you installed the edubuntu packages to kubuntu, that would work?
[17:25] <Eghie> for example yes
[17:25] <ogra> well, you need edubuntu-kde for that
[17:25] <Eghie> although there will be running some gnome processes maybe
[17:25] <Fritz87> ah i see
[17:26] <ogra> the normal edubuntu-desktop depends on ubuntu-desktop
[17:26] <Eghie> see the bottom of this page for example: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingLTSP
[17:26] <Eghie> i'm going for some diner i guess
[17:26] <Eghie> later
[17:27] <Fritz87> cya
[17:27] <Fritz87> and thanks for the link
[17:27] <Fritz87> i cant wait to finish this proposal, im writing 2
[17:27] <Fritz87> one for the school district which is unlikely to succede, and the other targeted at a specific teacher that gets fudniing to experiment with this kind of stuff
[17:27] <ogra> Fritz87, for large deployments you should talk to stgraber btw
[17:27] <ogra> he works on clustering support for multiple ltsp servers
[17:28] <Fritz87> thanks I will
[17:31] <Fritz87> looks like I have a lot of  research to do, I'm not very qualified for the job, but its something i really care about, you know what i mean?
[17:31] <Fritz87> open source schools
[17:33] <LaserJock> Fritz87: gotta start somewhere, regarding being "qualified" :-)
[17:34] <Fritz87> yeah =)
[17:34] <Fritz87> I'm just a part time summer employee for the tech department in the school district in question while I'm going to school for an economics degree
[17:35] <LaserJock> nice
[17:35] <Fritz87> I might even get to write a paper for credit and get support from the rutgers writing program
[17:36] <Fritz87> so I think i really have a shot at making a difference if things work out
[17:37] <Fritz87> writing a proposal and making a powerpoint presentation for the tech department, at least thats the plan
[17:38] <Fritz87> and plan b is this classroom of the future program
[18:17] <Nubae> gnome-watchdog does a good job at analysing misbehaving processes and killing them
[19:59] <wanne> hi, sry but I cant see in the download section (edubuntu.org) wich cds i have to download in order to get a thin client? for terminal server ubuntu alternate + add on, right?
[20:10] <sbalneav> wanne: Yes
[20:24] <wanne> thx, cu
[21:30]  * Lns thinks we might be on the verge of figuring out the Firefox 3.x / LTSP bug
[21:30] <Lns> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=453704#c8
[21:33] <Eghie> Lns: thanks for the nice debugging :) that should help
[21:34] <Lns> Eghie: yw =) My pleasure. FYI I'm in irc.mozilla.org/#firefox w/mzz right now trying to nail it
[21:35] <Eghie> will monitor it