  Happy Monday, and happy Be Humble Day! 😃
[09:33]  * knightwise is GREAT at being humble .. probably THE BEST
[10:40] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:41]  * zmoylan-pi scans outside with tricorder and confirms it is indeed morning...
[11:13] <davmor2> JamesTait: You'll like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7KKn9xk1iI
[11:16] <davmor2> JamesTait: nice really because I'd got this stuck in my head this morning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htobTBlCvUU so I'd been listening to bjork :)
[11:17] <JamesTait> Nice. ☺
[12:14] <diddledan> bjork, the musical pixie
[12:17] <zmoylan-pi> enya and bjork should do an album, would drive dogs bonkers... :-)
[12:23] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: throw in Kate Bush, Toyah and Cyndi Lauper too
[12:24] <zmoylan-pi> i think at that point the geneva convention kicks in... :-P
[12:28] <diddledan> lmao
[12:28] <diddledan> now that is a girl group I'd love to see
[12:28] <zmoylan-pi> best weapon against isis... evar... :-)
[12:30] <awilkins> The Bjork explanation of how TV works is very soothing
[12:30] <awilkins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75WFTHpOw8Y
[12:39] <davmor2> diddledan: so what did you think to layla slow/blues version :)
[12:40] <diddledan> odd
[12:41] <davmor2> diddledan: It's like familiar and funky and wrong all at the same time right :)
[12:42] <davmor2> diddledan:  like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYluMAO1b7Y and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-mYX0qKkB8
[12:43] <davmor2> diddledan: what I think makes it a bit more weird is it is still the same artist
[13:02] <diddledan> that "you're the one that I want" could be a bit letcherous
[13:15] <knightwise> hmmz
[13:15] <knightwise> New Thule backpack = Awesomesauce
[14:40] <foobarry> in light of quite a few mums on my fb feed getting sucked into the latest pyramid scheme, i was reading one man's experiences of Amway
[14:40] <foobarry> turns out it was near identical to scientology
[14:46] <diplo> Tis why I try not to read FB to much foobarry, to many levels of stupid on there
[15:00] <diddledan> the problem with facebook is it reveals that your family are morons
[15:04] <davmor2> diddledan: no really I can't see that, well only daily :D
[15:18] <diplo> Not my family, none of them post :D
[15:21]  * m0nkey_ is wondering if he should migrate his main computer to Ubuntu.
[15:24] <knightwise> m0nkey_: from ... Xp ?
[15:24] <knightwise> Wind 95 ?
[15:24] <m0nkey_> 10 :)
[15:29] <m0nkey_> Only thing missing for me is a good control software for my Corsair RGB keyboard
[15:29] <MooDoo> m0nkey_: if you want to do it do it :)  i'd try it with a USB stick first :D
[15:30] <m0nkey_> MooDoo, everything works just fine.
[15:30] <MooDoo> m0nkey_: I dual boot at the moment
[15:30] <m0nkey_> I'm thinking about dual-booting, might pop in a hard drive to share data across both.
[15:31] <MooDoo> I only dual boot as photostop CC doesn't work on ubuntu yet
[15:31] <m0nkey_> Everything I do, I can now do in Ubuntu. Most of the limitations 6-12 months ago I've overcome.
[15:32] <m0nkey_> There's only one limitation now. Wife likes to use my PC while I'm at work.
[15:32] <m0nkey_> :)
[15:32] <MooDoo> get a hard drive caddy ;)
[15:32] <davmor2> MooDoo: not even in wine?
[15:32] <MooDoo> davmor2: don't think CC works, but I think cs6 can to an extent
[15:33] <MooDoo> davmor2: don't have a copy of cs6, but subscribe to CC
[15:34] <davmor2> MooDoo: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=29832
[15:34] <davmor2> MooDoo: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=32438
[15:37] <davmor2> and that's MooDoo excuse for dual boot blown out the water :D
[15:37] <m0nkey_> Now do Fallout 4 :)
[15:38] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/ronalddevera/status/701521315165970432
[15:38] <diddledan> eep
[15:39] <m0nkey_> Looks like a WordPress installation.
[15:39] <diddledan> lol
[15:41] <diddledan> davmor2: omg, photoshop cc runs on wine?! :-o
[15:41] <diddledan> that's unpossible
[15:42] <diddledan> now all I'm missing is a decent twitterer
[15:42] <davmor2> diddledan: nothing can help you twitter except maybe a ghost writer :P
[15:43]  * diddledan twits
[15:45] <MooDoo> davmor2: got me there, but support looks pants, rather run it natively
[15:46] <diddledan> I like "crash each time app is closed"
[15:48] <diddledan> also from the second "Gold" Rated test in the list: "it will be run good"
[15:49] <diddledan> yarr, it be good
[15:49] <diddledan> you have the option to either read that in westcountry farmer dialect or piratese
[15:50] <diplo> OI, I r from the westcountry!
[15:50] <diddledan> yarr!
[15:54] <davmor2> MooDoo: it's always looked pants get a life and use the gimp/blender/inkscape/darkroom/anything else :P
[15:55] <MooDoo> davmor2: no i will not *stamps foot and pouts*
[15:56]  * davmor2 takes a photo that's so funny a look on you
[16:10] <diddledan> I'm testing-out a new text editor - lighttable
[16:11] <diddledan> http://lighttable.com/
[16:15] <davmor2> diddledan: \o/
[16:32] <davmor2> diddledan: is that just cause there aren't enough test editors on linux already? :D
[16:40] <diddledan> aye
[16:40] <m0nkey_> vi
[16:40] <m0nkey_> that is all
[16:40] <diddledan> YASTE <-- yet another sodding text editor :-p
[16:41] <m0nkey_> PASTE <--- probably another sucky text editor
[16:41] <diddledan> :-)
[16:41] <m0nkey_> term coined and tm
[17:19] <diddledan> author of bash got a pwnie award for "most overrated bug" last year for shellshock
[17:30] <m0nkey_> ugh, why the heck do people put things like BSC, MBA, ITIL etc after their names?
[17:30] <m0nkey_> I got the ITIL crap, but never use it.
[17:31] <diddledan> m0nkey_: try listing yourself as m0nkey m00 WTF BBQ
[17:31] <m0nkey_> I'm going to do that
[17:31] <m0nkey_> Regard // m0nkey_ OMG WTF BBQ
[17:31] <davmor2> m0nkey_: because it makes it seem more legitimate and like the might know what they are on about
[17:31] <m0nkey_> lol
[17:32] <diddledan> yeah, that's what they _think_ it does. it doesn't.
[17:32] <m0nkey_> davmor2, that must mean I must be in a unique position to be confident enough that I know what the heck I'm talking about without putting a ton of letters behind my name.
[17:32] <diddledan> m0nkey_: BSc PhD WWF WWE WTF BBQ
[17:32] <davmor2> plus it looks good on a cv :D
[17:33] <m0nkey_> Pretty sure BSc stands for Bronze Swimming certificate.
[17:33] <diddledan> haha
[17:33] <davmor2> World Wrestling Entertainment and World Wildlife Foundation that's just greedy having both of those
[17:33] <diddledan> isn't that what rimmer has?
[17:34] <m0nkey_> diddledan, ah.. you got the reference
[17:34] <m0nkey_> +10 internet points for you
[17:34] <diddledan> I love internet points!
[17:34] <diddledan> I think you need a BSOD in there, too
[17:36] <m0nkey_> I legitimately have the ITILv3 certification, yet I still don't understand why people do it. maybe i'm not vain enough? :)
[17:37] <davmor2> m0nkey_: no you're just not middle management material :D
[17:37] <diddledan> I've got security clearance somewhere
[17:37] <m0nkey_> davmor2, probably
[17:37] <diddledan> alas it's not quite top secret clearance
[17:38] <m0nkey_> Although I was recently encouraged to apply for a management position. But I don't feel ready to do it.
[17:38] <diddledan> formally IL3 but they changed all the designations
[17:38] <m0nkey_> diddledan, I got something for the French and Italian air force allowing me to handle 'sensitive information'
[17:38] <m0nkey_> I forget what they call it
[17:39] <davmor2> diddledan: I have, I'm allowed to drive on any military base :)  Fun huh
[17:39] <m0nkey_> ITAR, that's it
[17:40] <davmor2> Why I'd want to now without a Lorry full of goods is beyond me but hey :)
[17:40] <zmoylan-pi> that would be fun if you could bring your own vehicle.  some eastern european jeep would be nice there... :-)
[17:42] <diddledan> davmor2: "goods" == improvised thingies ? ;-)
[17:43] <diddledan> looks like my police-vetting is classed as "Security Clearance" or SC
[17:43] <diddledan> very nondescript
[17:43] <diddledan> the next-level-up is Developed Vetting or DV which apparently involves face-to-face interviews with members of my family to approve me
[17:44] <diddledan> oh, and QE2 has power of attorney over my affairs
[17:44] <diddledan> that's a separate thingy
[17:44] <davmor2> diddledan: that's you failed then, I mean I wouldn't trust him as far as I can spit wouldn't go down well right ;)
[17:45] <zmoylan-pi> a linux user... trusted... :-P
[17:45] <diddledan> QE2 is a dude?
[17:45] <davmor2> diddledan: wait what a boat has attorney over your affairs
[17:45] <zmoylan-pi> not a boat, a ship
[17:45] <diddledan> no the woman they named the boat after
[17:46] <zmoylan-pi> submarines are boats
[17:46] <diddledan> so we throw queenie in the sea to find out whether she sinks or swims - that'll tell us whether she's a boat or ship
[17:46] <zmoylan-pi> and if she's a witch
[17:46] <diddledan> :-)
[17:47] <diddledan> hmm. that might turn out bad
[17:47] <zmoylan-pi> well as long as she leaves the crown off...
[17:47] <diddledan> I mean if she's a witch we will have to burn her at the stake, which I believe could be misinterpreted as treason
[17:48] <zmoylan-pi> no, as a witch queen, she'd be fair game
[17:48] <zmoylan-pi> no longer defender of the faith and all that
[17:49] <diddledan> faith was a bit murderous anyway. I much preferred buffy
[17:50] <Seeker> diddledan: it's fairly standard for people to include qualifications after their name in things related to healthcare / pharmacy
[17:50]  * diddledan checks under his chair
[17:50] <diddledan> who, me?
[17:51] <Seeker> -17:32:07- :diddledan : yeah, that's what they _think_ it does. it doesn't.
[17:51] <diddledan> scroll a bit more - I didn't start that convo
[17:51] <m0nkey_> ugh, proxmox constantly polls a remote storage device, albeit nfs or iscsi, filling the storage server logs with crap
[17:51] <davmor2> Seeker: yes but you want to know that doctors and stuff are trained
[17:52] <diddledan> m0nkey_: \o/
[17:52] <diddledan> m0nkey_: logs ftw!
[17:52] <m0nkey_> so in my freenas server logs, I got a ton of "export request succeeded from" and "ctld[68354]: child process 68410 terminated with exit status 1" messages
[17:52] <Seeker> and some things, like membership to professional bodies, can be significant
[17:53] <Seeker> for some value of significant
[18:00]  * awilkins channels JamesTait
[18:00] <awilkins> Happy Japanese Cat Day!
[18:00] <JamesTait> 🙌
[18:01] <JamesTait> 🐈
[18:01] <JamesTait> Or even 😸
[19:50] <_Sponge> Yay ! I got a gNew job today !
[19:58] <m0nkey_> GNU job? :)
[21:48] <sebsebseb> hi
[22:29] <m0nkey_> Is there a way to bring up a vlan interface and not assign an IP?
[22:30] <m0nkey_> it works no problem when i give it an IP
[22:34] <m0nkey_> figured it out
[22:34] <m0nkey_> brought the vlan interface up as loopback
[22:46] <m0nkey_> got my virtualbox machines working on vlans now :)


[16:00] <mkoval> There is a bug in the packaging of Assimp (assimp-3.0~dfsg-2 and -3) shipped with Trusty and Vivid that strips C++ symbols (see this Debian bug report: <https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=775890>. This makes it impossible to use the C++ API. This has been fixed in assimp-3.0~dfsg-4 by updating 'debian/symbols' file. Can update be applied to Trusty and Vivid?
[16:13] <teward> mkoval: file a bug in Ubuntu against the package, reference that bug and then someone can get to it
[16:14] <teward> !info assimp trusty
[16:14] <teward> ooops
[16:14] <teward> laggy bot
[16:14] <teward> !info assimp-3.0 trusty
[16:14] <teward> mkoval: you sure it's shipped in Ubuntu?
[16:15] <teward> there it is
[16:15] <teward> mkoval: make sure it's fixed in vivid
[16:15] <teward> mkoval: you may want to wait a couple weeks too, since Utopic is affected and going EOL soon
[16:15] <mkoval> Package: libassimp3 / Priority: extra / Section: universe/libs
[16:16] <teward> yes i know i found it via LP
[16:16] <teward> evil bot doesn't know source packages xD
[16:16] <teward> oh
[16:16] <teward> Universe
[16:16] <mkoval> teward: I built the Vivid source package on Trusty and it fixed the issue
[16:17] <teward> mkoval: file a bug against the package in Ubuntu anyways
[16:18] <teward> following the SRU guide - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[16:18] <teward> mkoval: and it shouldn't fix the issue
[16:18] <teward> since Vivid is assimp/3.0~dfsg-3
[16:18] <teward> not assimp/3.0~dfsg-4 which Debian says fixes it
[16:20] <mkoval> teward: Sorry, my mistake, I built the Wiley version (not the Vivid) version, which is assimp/3.0~dfsg-4.
[16:21] <mkoval> s/Wiley/Wily/
[16:23] <teward> mkoval: file a bug on the issue, read the SRU link I provided, make test cases etc.  and maybe link to a specific patch if one exists
[16:23] <teward> (we need to know exactly what needs changed to fix it after all)
[16:23] <teward> the policies might preclude us just taking the wily version and dropping it in :p
[16:24] <teward> if it's just a symbols change eh
[16:24] <teward> but the bug still needs filed here in Ubuntu for it
[16:24] <teward> note though that it'll only be fixed if someone actually goes and preps the debdiff, tests, etc.
[16:24] <teward> since it's a Universe package
[16:24] <teward> !universe
[16:25] <mkoval> teward: I read the SBU guidelines, but wasn't sure if I needed to create a Launchpad issue on it since there is already a Debian issue (and -4 is already released for Wiley). I'm making an issue now.
[16:25] <mkoval> teward: Thanks for the help.
[16:25] <teward> mkoval: yes, you do, for tracking purposes
[16:26] <teward> and, because we aren't Debian xD
[16:41] <mkoval> teward: I made an issue on Launchpad: <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/assimp/+bug/1473503>. From the SBU link, the next step is to post on #ubuntu-bugs. :-)
[16:49] <mkoval> s/SBU/SRU. I really can't type today.
[16:57] <teward> mkoval: OK.  note that it's only SRUable if someone produces a patch and such, and since it's in Universe, someone has to produce debdiffs
[16:57] <teward> (it won't be me since i'm working on nginx right now)
[16:59] <mkoval> teward: I'd be happy to do it, but I don't know what I need to do. Can you point me to any instructions/documentation about how to produce the necessary patch and diffs?
[17:00] <teward> i'll take a look at it maybe
[17:00] <teward> or just leave it for now
[17:03] <mkoval> teward: ok, thanks
[17:24] <melodie> hi
[17:25] <melodie> I wonder if anyone here would have a solution about #1325142 and #1326412 ?
[17:25] <melodie> bug #1326412
[17:26] <melodie> and bug #1325142 seem to be duplicates
[17:26] <melodie> and I can't upgrade the iso under construction anymore :-(
[17:29] <melodie> I wanted to do the new versions this evening
[17:29] <melodie> and present them tomorrow in an install party :-(
[17:29] <melodie> else, how do you boot to upstart? what is the trick there?
[17:51] <melodie> hi again
[17:52] <melodie> so what is it that bad bugs aren't fixed in LTS editions?
[17:53] <teward> melodie: pocket?
[17:53] <teward> i.e. universe vs. main or such
[17:53] <melodie> teward beg your pardon?
[17:53] <melodie> systemd-logind issue
[17:54] <teward> ah
 bug #1326412
 and bug #1325142 seem to be duplicates
[17:55] <melodie> this man said it was to be fixed in the release after, but not in Trusty : conclusion, boot to upstart or upgrade. well Trusty _is a LTS, people should not need to upgrade LTS until a new LTS is out.
[17:55] <melodie> so I am a bit amazed and very confused there
[17:56] <melodie> and how to boot to upstart anyway when systemd has become a very part of the distro... no idea. I don't think it is possible
[17:58] <melodie> how can I fix it at least locally?
[17:58] <melodie> in the meantime?
[18:01] <melodie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1325142/comments/46
[18:01] <melodie> nobody has a clue?
[18:04] <melodie> ok I'll lock it up for now
[18:07] <melodie> locking all systemd packages in that build
[19:26] <hjd> Hi could someone please mark bug 1404232 as Triaged? :)
[19:27] <hjd> Not quite sure about importance since the problem is uninstallation. High, since it's pretty severe and something you would expect to work?
[19:28] <hjd> Possibly Critical as I believe uninstallable packages might cause problems when attempting to install other packages...


[15:28] <mup> Bug #2031165 opened: ScriptSet matching query does not exist <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2031165>
[15:34] <mup> Bug #2031165 changed: ScriptSet matching query does not exist <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2031165>
[15:37] <mup> Bug #2031165 opened: ScriptSet matching query does not exist <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2031165>
[15:40] <mup> Bug #2031165 changed: ScriptSet matching query does not exist <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2031165>
[15:46] <mup> Bug #2031165 opened: ScriptSet matching query does not exist <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2031165>
[17:22] <mup> Bug #2031176 opened: vm compose failed with "Tunnel connection failed: 403 Forbidden" <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2031176>
[17:28] <mup> Bug #2031176 changed: vm compose failed with "Tunnel connection failed: 403 Forbidden" <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2031176>
[17:37] <mup> Bug #2031176 opened: vm compose failed with "Tunnel connection failed: 403 Forbidden" <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2031176>