[12:00] <bob2> amer_: ok
[12:00] <burtie> is there any recommened reading to understand it?
[12:00] <Zugwrack> bob2: I am advising you this was the case...Hoary is doing just fine and automatically recognizing and mounting the partitions
[12:00] <amer_> bob2, any idea what might be wrong ?
[12:00] <bob2> burtie: it's just a general dependency thing, maybe the apt howto would help
[12:00] <bob2> Zugwrack: ok
[12:02] <burtie> bob2: thanks, will read and learn
[12:02] <Zugwrack> bob2: Also there is a problem with ALSA sound output.
[12:03] <Nap_> mahe:/home/francois# modprobe ndiswrapper
[12:03] <Nap_> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-k7/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid module format
[12:03] <Nap_> mahe:/home/francois# dmesg | grep ndiswrapper
[12:03] <Nap_> ndiswrapper version 0.10 loaded (preempt=yes,smp=no)
[12:03] <Nap_> ndiswrapper (wrapper_init:2286): loadndiswrapper failed (1536);check utils version mismatch
[12:03] <Nap_> it semms to mean that I have a wrong version of ndiswrapper-utils
[12:03] <bob2> no
[12:03] <Nap_> I am in hoary
[12:03] <Nap_> ah ?
[12:03] <Nap_> what does it mean ?
[12:05] <Nap_> how can I install an old version of a package
[12:05] <Nap_> ?
[12:05] <Evaso> hi guys
[12:05] <Nap_> hi Evaso
[12:05] <bob2> you can look for it on the archive server
[12:05] <bob2> but it's probably gone
[12:05] <Nap_> :/
[12:06] <Evaso> i had just instelled ubuntu yesterday on my uncle laptop
[12:06] <calamari> whew!  icons -> 75% is so much better.. don't feel like I'm running at 640x480 anymore :)
[12:06] <Evaso> i had a problem with a prism chipset wirless card
[12:07] <Evaso> I know that this type of card are detected and works fine with Ubuntu
[12:09] <Evaso> but the card seems death
[12:10] <TheCan> Evaso, well i "killed" mine too flashing in the wrong firmware
[12:10] <TheCan> does the card work somewhere else?
[12:11] <Evaso> TheCan: My PCMCIA wifi card uses the prism54 driver. The driver is provided in the default kernel, but the firmware file - isl3890 - is missing. Just get a copy off the net and put it in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware (with the name "isl3890") and it works nicely.
[12:13] <melazyboy> Daniels are you there i have a quick question for you about the way xorg does 3d/2d
[12:13] <daniels> melazyboy: sup
[12:14] <melazyboy> ever since i upgraded to hoary and lost fglrx, i noticed that when i highlight the background on gnome and move the cursor from one side of the screen to the other the update is about 100times slower
[12:14] <melazyboy> the shaded box, if i make it big on the verticle, and drag it to the oppisite side on the horizontal, it takes like a second to update
[12:14] <melazyboy> isn't that also 2d though?
[12:14] <anders_> hi everyone. im new to linux so I guess this is a stupid question but anyway... Is there any list with hardware supported by Ubuntu?
[12:14] <JStrike> jdub : I see gnome-user-share appeared in the repo the other day. Is it the same as GPWS or something else entirely?
[12:14] <melazyboy> or am i just imagining things
[12:14] <daniels> yah, that is a 2D operation
[12:15] <daniels> however, you could use the 3D engine to accelerate that if you wanted to, which fglrx may actually do
[12:15] <melazyboy> daniels: Is it that much slower without fglrx
[12:15] <daniels> apparently
[12:15] <Evaso-> sorry i was hang-up
[12:15] <Evaso-> My PCMCIA wifi card uses the prism54 driver. The driver is provided in the default kernel, but the firmware file - isl3890 - is missing. Just get a copy off the net and put it in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware (with the name "isl3890") and it works nicely.
[12:15] <JStrike> anders_ : There is. Google for it
[12:15] <daniels> i've not owned a card that hasn't had full 3d acceleration with the standard drivfers
[12:15] <melazyboy> It just seems like the whole gnome experience is a little inept without fglrx when i booted it i was aucutally able to see the gdm login screen being drawn from top to bottom, i don't ever remember seeing that done before
[12:15] <JStrike> LinuxHardware I think
[12:16] <TheCan> Evaso, i got it
[12:16] <Nap_> yeah that works
[12:16] <default> are there any keyboard shortcuts to change the display resolution? what is the lowest supported display resolution does anybody know? the display resolution in the live cd is too high for my monitor to support so instead it shows about 7 or 8 of the same picture all lined up vertically, thanks.
[12:16] <TheCan> Evaso, but i "flashed" the card dead..doesnt work even under windows
[12:16] <melazyboy> i just thought all fglrx added was 3d -- thanks for clearing up the confusion anyway
[12:16] <TheCan> default, ctrl,alt,+ ctrl,alt,+
[12:16] <TheCan> err
[12:16] <anders_> Ok JStrike I'll do that. Thanks!
[12:16] <TheCan> ctrl,alt,- i mean
[12:16] <default> thecan: thanks a lot
[12:16] <Nap_> so guys if you use hoary and ndiswrapper, you can't use the ndiswrapper-utils package, because of a version mismatch with the ndiswrapper kernel module
[12:17] <Nap_> how can I file a bug ?
[12:17] <Matt|> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[12:17] <Nap_> thx
[12:17] <bob2> 66is ndiswrapper supported?
[12:18] <daniels> bob2: yes, but none of the drivers are
[12:20] <JStrike> Well, jdub packaged it, but maybe one of the other packagers can answer?
[12:24] <melazyboy> can anyone thing of a reason why when i run a command like apt-get or apt-update or any shell command as it runs the command it acts as if enter is being held down
[12:25] <TheCan> anybody got problems getting acroread working?
[12:25] <melazyboy> injecting \n into the console
[12:27] <anders_> for acroread try this page http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html#acroread
[12:28] <billytwowilly> doesn't acroread have a huge memory leak?
[12:28] <TheCan> anders_, thx
[12:28] <bob2> it has huge issuesm including security ones
[12:28] <bob2> it was removed from debian because it's buggy and unfixable
[12:28] <nomasteryoda> adobe sucks
[12:29] <TheCan> anders_, well it doesnt work
[12:30] <TheCan> apt-get install acroread is not the point where i fail :p
[12:30] <Evaso-> anybody had setupped an lucent winmodem over ubuntu?
[12:30] <anders_> ok what's the problem
[12:30] <TheCan> it looks for /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread
[12:31] <TheCan> which is not there...there is only "acroread.sh" in that directory
[12:33] <calc> i got my ubuntu cd's today :)
[12:33] <Faustus> what the problem with the desktop not showing the time?  Does it need to be configured or should I just install ntp-simple ?
[12:33] <TheCan> xpdf doesnt really work good for me...it doesnt support fullscreen and it's much slower
[12:33] <calc> gpdf needs to have search support
[12:33] <JStrike> TheCan : What happens when you run "sh /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread.sh" ?
[12:33] <Matt|> TheCan, someone had this problem the other day. might be a bug in the build
[12:33] <billytwowilly> calc, where are you located?
[12:33] <calc> billytwowilly: Texas, USA
[12:33] <Matt|> gpdf needs to have support for scrolling down the screen with the arrow keys ;)
[12:34] <billytwowilly> calc, sweet.
[12:34] <billytwowilly> maybe I'll get mine soon then
[12:34] <Matt|> oh hang on it isn't gpdf i'm thinking of
[12:35] <Riddell> calc: use kpdf from CVS branch, it has everyone you need
[12:35] <default> i was just in here asking for keyboard shortcuts, and the ctrl + alt (+/-) didn't change the screen resolution on the live cd, does anybody know any other shortcuts for this because i can't really use it until i get this figured out sorry if i''m wasting people's time
[12:35] <anders_> strange...i'm new to linux so im afraid i dont know the answer. but I start the prog by just typing acroread
[12:35] <Matt|> TheCan, has it installed already or is it afterwards that you fail?
[12:36] <TheCan> Matt|, the script doesnt work complains about a directory
[12:36] <TheCan> or something missing
[12:36] <Matt|> TheCan, yeah it's probably out of date
[12:36] <Matt|> the install script?
[12:36] <TheCan> i think you need to specify the installation directory or something in the script
[12:36] <TheCan> the acroread.sh script i mean now
[12:36] <TheCan> i got the newest acroread, my sources are hopefully uptodate :)
[12:37] <calc> Riddell: i could just xpdf then, its good enough but isn't consistent with gnome gui
[12:37] <Matt|> yeah that is gtk i think
[12:38] <warty> hi
[12:38] <default> does anybody know? or is it useless asking here?
[12:43] <warty> don't know
[12:43] <warty> i am ron
[12:43] <the_stick> Hi
[12:43] <the_stick> I downloaded the nvidia drivers
[12:43] <warty> warty is default
[12:43] <warty> hi stick
[12:43] <the_stick> and when installing it tells me it can't find a matching precompiled kernel something
[12:43] <default> could anybody tell me where to get keyboard shortcuts
[12:43] <the_stick> hi warty
[12:43] <the_stick> so what should I do ?
[12:43] <warty> i am running mine on cd
[12:43] <bob2> the_stick: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:43] <default> ubuntu is a pain in the ass
[12:43] <burtie> default: ctrl and alt and - or + on the num pad
[12:43] <warty> have yu tried xandros?
[12:43] <default> so that has to be on the number pad
[12:43] <burtie> works for me
[12:43] <the_stick> bob2: it says it's not there , but is referenced by another package
[12:43] <default> ok i didnt use the number pad first thanks
[12:43] <bob2> the_stick: can you be more vague?
[12:43] <bob2> or explain what "it" is in that sentence?
[12:45] <Hikaru79> bob2, "can you be more vague?"
[12:45] <Hikaru79> Sarcasm?
[12:46] <bob2> never!
[12:46] <Hikaru79> =P
[12:48] <paper> is there anyway i can remove openoffice? i tried with apt and it wanted to remove the whole dang ubuntu-desktop
[12:50] <the_stick> it's still very slow
[12:50] <the_stick> the simple screensavers go at .. 5 FPS
[12:50] <the_stick> 2 FPS
[12:50] <the_stick> i downloaded drivers from nvidias site
[12:50] <the_stick> but it tells me it cant find a matching precompiled kernel header file or something
[12:58] <bob2> paper: you can't remove it without removing ubuntu-desktop
[12:58] <thrift> is there any reason that as root I should not be permitted to delete a file?
[12:58] <paper> bob2, now that is just plan ol dumb
[12:58] <bob2> but you actually want to remove it, so I'm not sure what the problem is
[12:58] <Evaso-> Anybody had problem with ubuntu about mounting vfat floppy disk??
[12:58] <bob2> paper: no, it's not
[12:58] <bob2> thrift: disk corruption can do that
[12:58] <the_stick> also , what's the bus identity of an AGP slot ?
[12:58] <bob2> the_stick: leave it blank
[12:58] <bob2> like it says
[12:58] <paper> bob2, explain to me why it isnt dumb, that a package is installe, taking up about 1gb worth of space, and i cant remove it because the whole freakin desktop will be removed
[12:58] <bob2> paper: no, you're wrong, stop insisting please
[12:58] <paper> ok
[12:58] <thrift> bob2: should I see errors in dmesg and/or crazyness with the hard disk if that's going on.  Everything seems fine, but I can't delete a couple files in this one directory
[12:58] <the_stick> bob2 : it says PCI 1.0.0
[12:58] <paper> then how am i able to remove open office
[12:58] <bob2> paper: 'ubuntu-desktop' is a meta package.  it depends on all the other packages in the basic ubuntu desktop
[12:58] <the_stick> this is in the Xserver-xfree86 config thingy
[12:58] <bob2> but removing openoffice, you're saying "I don't want the basic ubuntu desktop anymore"
[12:58] <bob2> so remove openoffice if you really care
[12:58] <bob2> and lose ubuntu-desktop
[12:58] <bob2> the_stick: you don't need to specify for single head i386
[12:58] <paper> bob2, then i guess i was wrong, what exactly is ubuntu-desktop?
[12:58] <the_stick> oh
[12:58] <bob2> 09:52:02           bob2 | paper: 'ubuntu-desktop' is a meta package.  it depends on all the other packages in the basic ubuntu desktop
[12:58] <the_stick> how do I download the kernel source files ?
[12:58] <thrift> bob2: I think what happened was, is that I was running a sudo without -H nautilus, deleted some files on my raid, now it's created a .Trash-user directory and I can't delete them as root or empty my trash...
[12:58] <kent> is there a way to check what module eth0 is using? Im trying to figure out what module one of the networkcards on my brothers computer is using, but i cant figure out which.. :(
[12:58] <paper> kent lspci
[12:58] <bob2> thrift: install linux-source-2.6
[12:58] <bob2> the_stick: ^
[12:58] <bob2> the_stick: but why?
[12:58] <bob2> kent: dmesg | grep eth0
[12:58] <thrift> bob2: linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS> is installed
[12:58] <paper> bob2, i just want to make sure that by removing ubuntu-desktop im not cutting of my left leg hehe
[12:58] <bob2> thrift: ls /usr/src/
[12:58] <Matt|> paper, its worse than that
[12:58] <Matt|> paper, more like both legs
[12:58] <thrift> linux                        linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-k7    rpm
[12:58] <thrift> linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-3      linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>
[12:58] <thrift> linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386  linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.bz2
[12:58] <bob2> paper: you're saying 'please don't install new desktop packages in future'
[12:58] <daniels> TheCan: if you read the BinaryDriverHowto, you'd see that you don't need to build your own nVidia module
[12:58] <paper> ah
[12:58] <paper> ouch
[12:58] <paper> ok
[12:58] <Matt|> paper, just kidding
[12:58] <paper> bob2, so basically i gotta just suck it up and ignore openoffice lol
[12:58] <the_stick> hmm
[12:58] <warty> hey!  I just burned the dang live iso... booted and configured without a hitch!  I got high expections for the freinds I'll give it to who are still on Windoze!!!
[12:58] <kent> paper, according to lspci its a realtek, and lsmod says that atleast 8139too and 8139cp. So i guess its those modules then. Thanks
[12:58] <bob2> how much do you care?
[12:58] <TheCan> daniels, i don't own a nvidia card ;-)
[12:58] <the_stick> how do I find packages with that apt thing ?
[12:58] <the_stick> apt-get seach nvidia
[12:58] <the_stick> doesnt work
[12:58] <TheCan> the_stick, apt-cache search package
[12:58] <the_stick> ah
[12:58] <paper> kent, glad to see that worked for you
[12:58] <Matt|> paper, it's not a problem, what he means is that when the collection of packages in "ubuntu-desktop" changes, you won't get the benefit of that change. But it's not an issue - if you know what you want, it's better to add and remove packages manually
[12:58] <bob2> the_stick: I already told you, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryModuleHowto
[12:58] <paper> Matt|, so basically an apt-get update will not update what specific packages? is there anywhere i can see like a dependency tree?
[12:58] <the_stick> bob2, that's not working my friend
[12:58] <thrift> root@Io:/home/raid/.Trash-thrift # rm -f falcorscreenshot.jpg
[12:58] <thrift> rm: cannot remove `falcorscreenshot.jpg': Permission denied
[12:58] <thrift>  .. anyone know what to do about that?
[12:58] <bob2> the_stick: "not working" is not a useful description of a problem
[12:59] <the_stick> it says it doesnt find nvidia-glx
[12:59] <bob2> did you install it?
[12:59] <the_stick> no
[12:59] <super> hey room
[12:59] <gloin> anyone here got raidant working under ubuntu?  Damn so-and-sos at qeradiant.com only provide an rpm or source (which is built using some oddity called "scons")
[12:59] <Matt|> paper, ubuntu-desktop is like a virtual package which contains the programs which ubuntu decide to include in their standard desktop. If you remove the package, it will not hurt your system, just that when they change what is in their standard desktop, you will not get the benefit of the changes. It is fine to remove it if you know what programs you want to use.
[01:00] <CodyDH> hello
[01:01] <paper> Matt|, I know exactly what I want to use.... :) thanks that cleared up alot...By any chance can you tell me how i can turn off services that are starting at boot, ie postfix cupsys,,,etc
[01:01] <Matt|> paper, yes it's not easy unfortunately.
[01:01] <bob2> cd /etc/rc2.d
[01:01] <bob2> rm *postfix *cupsys
[01:01] <Matt|> paper, you rename the links in /etc/rc2.d
[01:01] <Matt|> paper, just uninstall postfix if you don't want it
[01:01] <Matt|> bob2, surely better to rename em?
[01:02] <bob2> why?
[01:02] <CodyDH> how do I kill X in ubuntu installed default (such as that X starts on bootup)
[01:02] <Matt|> bob2, so you can get em back easily
[01:02] <gloin> CodyDH: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:02] <bob2> you can get them back with "update-rc.d postfix defaults"
[01:02] <paper> Matt|, and how would i uninstall them?
[01:02] <CodyDH> gloin: that'll take all of X down so I can install the nvidia drivers?
[01:02] <Matt|> paper, apt-get remove package
[01:02] <gloin> CodyDH: correct
[01:03] <paper> umm
[01:03] <Matt|> bob2, i did not know that rc-update works with ubuntu
[01:03] <CodyDH> gloin: thanks
[01:03] <Matt|> bob2, surely it can be used to remove em then too right
[01:03] <paper> Matt|, now i loost ubuntu-base
[01:03] <gloin> =]
[01:03] <Matt|> paper, np
[01:03] <bob2> Matt|: sure
[01:03] <Matt|> paper, same principle
[01:03] <bob2> but I can never remember the syntax for that :)
[01:03] <paper> Matt|, this is odd for me
[01:03] <Matt|> *laughs*
[01:04] <Matt|> paper, wassup?
[01:04] <KneelBeforeXorg> How come ubuntu won't print kanji, when debian testing used to do it just fine?  Even ggv just shows boxes, and I have all the gsfonts and ttf and X fonts installed.
[01:04] <CodyDH> errr... in my F2 terminal, I keep getting strings of text like:
[01:04] <CodyDH> IN: ETH1 OUT: Mac address DEST: etc...
[01:04] <paper> Matt|, well this whole everything depending on these 2 packages, i was a fc2 fan, but now trying this so the change is a bit different
[01:04] <TheCan> "f2 terminal" :-)
[01:04] <Matt|> bob2, rsync was working a treat btw thanks for helping me with that earlier.
[01:04] <CodyDH> TheCan: TTY2? :)
[01:04] <bob2> Matt|: you're welcome
[01:04] <KneelBeforeXorg> anyone here familiar with CJK stuff on ubuntu?
[01:05] <Matt|> paper, just remove that package it is a fake package like ubuntu-desktop
[01:05] <bob2> i think that was yesterdaym but i'm not sure
[01:05] <paper> Matt|, thank you so much :)
[01:05] <Matt|> bob2, 00.05 so yeah
[01:05] <KneelBeforeXorg> I can't get a /list of channels here, so I don't know if there's an #ubuntu-ja or whatever
[01:05] <Matt|> bob2, where are you atm?
[01:05] <bob2> Matt|: cambridge
[01:05] <Matt|> KneelBeforeXorg, "/cs list *ubuntu*
[01:05] <CodyDH> hmmm... local network stuff
[01:05] <CodyDH> n/m then.
[01:05] <Matt|> bob2, uk or us?
[01:05] <KneelBeforeXorg> 16:05 -!- Irssi: Unknown command: cs
[01:06] <bob2> Matt|: heh, uk, at the debian bug squashing party
[01:06] <KneelBeforeXorg> Matt|: also a /list *ubuntu* gives me an empty list
[01:06] <Matt|> KneelBeforeXorg, /msg chanserv list *ubuntu*
[01:06] <KneelBeforeXorg> thanks
[01:06] <Matt|> bob2, cambridge eh... debian sucks
[01:06] <gloin> anyone here got raidant working under ubuntu?  Damn so-and-sos at qeradiant.com only provide an rpm or source (which is built using some oddity called "scons") (try #2)
[01:06] <kent> Do linux assing eth0 and eth1 according to which modules gets loaded first, or do that depend on hardware?
[01:06] <Matt|> bob2, they could have at least splashed out on bermuda
[01:06] <bob2> Matt|: hah
[01:07] <paper> Matt|, by any chance do you use enlightenment as your window manager?
[01:07] <Matt|> paper, nope
[01:07] <KneelBeforeXorg> well it seems that there isn't a japanese channel
[01:07] <Matt|> *laughs*
[01:07] <paper> darn
[01:07] <bob2> Matt|: beer + bandwidth + bugs
[01:07] <Matt|> KneelBeforeXorg, guess not
[01:07] <KneelBeforeXorg> so can anyone here help me with my ghostscript problems?
[01:07] <bob2> you don't need anything else
[01:07] <mjr_> kent, pretty much the loading order, semirandom for those cards that are used by the same driver
[01:07] <Matt|> bob2, oh you're in the uni?
[01:07] <bob2> Matt|: nah, a house
[01:07] <Matt|> but big bandwidth?
[01:07] <bob2> well, enough ;)
[01:07] <Matt|> kewl
[01:07] <bob2> wanted to see some of the uni...
[01:07] <Matt|> bob2, how is cambridge?
[01:07] <bob2> but it gets dark at FOUR PM
[01:08] <Matt|> LOL
[01:08] <bob2> your country is broken
[01:08] <Matt|> yeah tell me about it
[01:08] <Matt|> bob2, it was dark before i'd got moving properly today
[01:08] <Matt|> bob2, where are you from again spain?
[01:08] <bob2> .au
[01:08] <Matt|> oh
[01:08] <Matt|> austria huh...
[01:08] <Matt|> :p
[01:08] <bob2> heh
[01:09] <[KrusheR] > wassup
[01:09] <NetwrkMonkey> anyone have a Logitech MX 500 mouse?
[01:09] <Matt|> bob2, is cambridge nice?
[01:09] <NetwrkMonkey> My mouse works but i'm thinking of redoing the mouse keys
[01:10] <bob2> Matt|: it seems pretty cool...bikes *everywhere*.  much more...college-y than oxford seemed
[01:10] <XhyldazhK> hi all!
[01:10] <Matt|> bob2, *grins* you're getting around
[01:11] <XhyldazhK> how do I get the gdm login screen that appears in the ubuntu homepage?
[01:11] <kent> mjr, and the order of which linux loads the modules, is that constant between boots?  My brother has two ethernet-cards. One to the adsl and one to his xbox.  I think i have to know which gets which eth* so that i can configure them in the interfaces file :(  The cards differ in brand (and chip).
[01:11] <bob2> Matt|: heh, yeah, this side of it's fun :)
[01:12] <Matt|> bob2, hectic but fun i guess..
[01:12] <bob2> yeah, 'xactly
[01:12] <Matt|> better than studying law
[01:12] <mjr> kent, well, it's pretty much stable, but theoretically if hotplug (the component that's in charge of loading the drivers) is upgraded, the order might change - I suppose they'll be trying to keep it so that it won't, though
[01:13] <egon_spengler> kent: The cards are read in PCI slot order, slot one gets eth0 slot 2 gets eth1 and so on
[01:13] <Matt|> bob2, i've often wondered how you squash bugs... is bug fixing a group activity, or do developers just work on them individually until they resolve it
[01:14] <XhyldazhK> anyone knows how to get the gdm login screen that appears in the Ubuntu home page?
[01:14] <Matt|> XhyldazhK, i'm not sure which one you mean
[01:14] <Matt|> XhyldazhK, have you got ubuntu-artwork installed?
[01:14] <bob2> Matt|: well, it's mostly individual here, but there's fairly frequent "is the submitter of #1234 completely insane?"-style calls
[01:14] <Matt|> *laughs*
[01:14] <bob2> Matt|: msotly seems to be a awy to get people motivated on it all at once
[01:14] <XhyldazhK> Matt|, oops I wull get that ;) thanx!
[01:15] <Matt|> bob2, i still cannot tell my battery state :( I got an email today from another user with the same problem. There is a whole class of compaq and HP laptops with the same problem
[01:17] <egon_spengler> XhyldazhK: Try getting the ubuntu-calendar-october for the artwork
[01:17] <XhyldazhK> egon_spengler, thanx! I will
[01:18] <Nu-B> Hi Im new to ubuntu
[01:18] <Matt|> Nu-B, hi
[01:18] <bob2> Matt|: ah, suck, is it in ubuntu's bts?
[01:18] <CraHan> Hey 'new to ubutu', erhm Nu-B :)
[01:18] <Matt|> bts?
[01:18] <Nu-B> well I tried it as it fits on one CD
[01:18] <Matt|> *laughs*
[01:18] <Matt|> welcome Nu-B
[01:18] <Matt|> you won't regret it
[01:18] <Nu-B> and DSL is a bit
[01:18] <Nu-B> well
[01:18] <Nu-B> not sure really
[01:19] <Matt|> unless you have a compaq presario
[01:19] <Nu-B> this looks nice and tidy
[01:19] <Matt|> bob2, what is bts?
[01:19] <Nu-B> has anyone got any tips on using the media player
[01:19] <Nu-B> it doesnt want to play mp3s
[01:19] <bob2> Matt|: bugzilla
[01:20] <Matt|> bob2, oh right, yeah for a while :(
[01:20] <Matt|> 2711
[01:20] <bob2> ah
[01:20] <Matt|> Nu-B, go to the wiki, and search for RestrictedFormats
[01:20] <Matt|> Nu-B, that should help ya out
[01:21] <Nu-B> oh, so its install another media player then
[01:21] <kent> I have configured the static eth0 which is connected to my brothers xbox, and when i run ifup/ifdown it sort of works now. But i get "Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A)" when i run ifup, even though its configured correctly afterwards. how come i get that message?
[01:21] <Nu-B> XMMS here I come then
[01:21] <Matt|> Nu-B, nope mp3 support is not in ubuntu by default
[01:21] <Nu-B> I see didnt realise
[01:21] <Nu-B> bit like Xine in SuSE
[01:21] <Nu-B> then
[01:21] <Nu-B> that was a pain
[01:21] <Matt|> Nu-B, like fedora, they concentrate on free stuff
[01:21] <Matt|> Nu-B, its not the media player, its the decoder that is not installed. The media player will work fine once you sort out mp3s
[01:22] <Nu-B> ah
[01:22] <Nu-B> okay ill go and have a search on the wiki
[01:22] <Nu-B> read up a bit
[01:22] <sgarrity> anyone run into the Live CD running through the progress-bar on boot-up, then rebooting as soon as the progress bar is complete?
[01:23] <Matt|> OMG cracking television: "so, have you ever snorted cocaine off a prostitute's bottom?" "yes." "really?" "yes."
 If you want to do something crazy drink the piss of a meth user. most of the meth is excreted unchanged into their urine.
[01:26] <Matt|> ok
[01:26] <Matt|> be back in 5
[01:27] <CraHan> why do i have a feeling that Matt| has run of to test out billytwowilly's tip?
[01:27] <Matt|> (slurred speech) wwwwhhhhhaat???
[01:27] <billytwowilly> heh. because he has
[01:27] <CraHan> lol
[01:27] <billytwowilly> you don't get slurred speech from amphetamine...
[01:27] <Matt|> ok sorry
[01:27] <CraHan> I wouldn't have a clue myself
[01:27] <Matt|> enough of this now
[01:28] <billytwowilly> He must have been eating poison mushrooms or something as well.
[01:28] <CraHan> well that was cool, running an xnest session over ssh so I get an ubuntu session on the Mac :)
[01:28] <Matt|> *laughs*
[01:28] <grelli> you pick that up on the southside there?
[01:28] <CraHan> dunno why I'd ever need that, but heck, 't was fun
[01:28] <grelli> that what you guys do for fun?
[01:28] <billytwowilly> grelli, no, from pharmacology 305;)
[01:29] <billytwowilly> grelli, the pharmacology of drug abuse;) best class ever;)
[01:29] <keknehv> How do I mount a fat32 filesystem in read-write mode for all users?
[01:29] <Matt|> keknehv, mount -t vfat /dev/hda# /mnt_point
[01:30] <Matt|> for your user
[01:30] <keknehv> But that's not in Read-write mode for everything
[01:30] <Matt|> true
[01:30] <Matt|> edit /etc/fstab
[01:30] <keknehv> And it doesn't work for my user
[01:30] <CraHan> set the gid too
[01:30] <keknehv> gid?
[01:30] <billytwowilly> can't you just mount it normally in /etc/fstab then chmod 777 the directory you mounted it to?
[01:30] <CraHan> mount has an option to set the groud id too
[01:30] <CraHan> or user id, whichever you prefer
[01:30] <CraHan> *group id
[01:30] <keknehv> thanks
[01:31] <CraHan> -o gid=number
[01:31] <keknehv> Dang... still doesn't work
[01:32] <CraHan> that sets the owner of the mountpoint to that specific group
[01:32] <CraHan> does the mountpoint have write access for that group?
[01:32] <keknehv> Odd thing is, Gnome still sees it, even though I can't cd to it
[01:32] <keknehv> Yes
[01:32] <keknehv> For the root group
[01:33] <netsplit> Hi, does anyone see apache-ant in apt-cache?
[01:34] <netsplit> "ant" is a Debian package, but I can't find it in Ubuntu.
[01:34] <CraHan> netsplit: not me
[01:34] <CraHan> apt-cache search apache-ant returned nothing
[01:35] <keknehv> Whoops... now it says it's busy. What's the command to see processes using a mount again?
[01:35] <CraHan> lsof?
[01:35] <CraHan> that lists the open files
[01:35] <keknehv> Yes... that's the one
[01:36] <CraHan> time to get to bed here :)
[01:36] <keknehv> Wait... no it isn't
[01:36] <CraHan> 1.45am :)
[01:36] <keknehv> noo... now I'm all alone :D
[01:36] <keknehv> night
[01:36] <CraHan> seeya around
[01:36] <keknehv> enjoy your ~4-5 hours of sleep :d
[01:36] <CraHan[zZz] > more ubuntu goodness tomorrow
[01:36] <Matt|> keknehv, did you cd into the mount directory?
[01:37] <keknehv> ryanh@pulaewe:/home $ cd /mnt/windows
[01:37] <keknehv> bash: cd: /mnt/windows: Permission denied
[01:37] <keknehv> basically, I'm trying to run wine on something
[01:37] <Matt|> keknehv, unmount it
[01:38] <keknehv> ryanh@pulaewe:/home $ sudo umount /dev/hda1
[01:38] <keknehv> umount: /mnt/windows: device is busy
[01:38] <keknehv> umount: /mnt/windows: device is busy
[01:38] <keknehv>  -_-
[01:38] <keknehv> and "lsof | grep mnt" doesn't turn up anything
[01:38] <Matt|> ok
[01:39] <Matt|> well i can't think of anything
[01:39] <[KrusheR] > hmm
[01:39] <Matt|> reboot or something
[01:39] <[KrusheR] > is any utility to format partitions to fat32 under linux?
[01:39] <keknehv> Erg... okay
[01:40] <jmhodges> kent: no dont!
[01:40] <Orcrist> hello all
[01:40] <jmhodges> fuck.. i meant keknehv
[01:41] <jmhodges> all it meant was that he had a shell open in that directory
[01:41] <jmhodges> gaaah.
[01:41] <Orcrist> any of you guys having trouble in with the default nvidia driver in warty/hoary?
[01:41] <jmhodges> i had none a week ago.. i've since moved to ati
[01:41] <jmhodges> Orcrist: whats the issue?
[01:41] <Orcrist> well
[01:42] <Orcrist> when I  try to ctrl-alt-f1-f6
[01:42] <Orcrist> I get a black screen... and in this screen if I scroll down I see all the text left over from init plus a lot of colored ascii garbage
[01:42] <Orcrist> like it's just showing me junk from the page frame buffer
[01:42] <Orcrist> but I get no tty consoles
[01:42] <Orcrist> and they're enabled in inittab just like they're supposed to be
[01:43] <Orcrist> in fact, I've done almost nothing to #ubuntu
[01:43] <Orcrist> erm
[01:43] <Orcrist> ubuntu :)
[01:43] <Cloudchaser> i had the same time of problem as keknehv only with cdrom. i couldn't unmount it because it was "busy"
[01:43] <Cloudchaser> i ended up rebooting because i didn't know what else to do...i didn't have anything open that used cdrom
[01:44] <billytwowilly> Cloudchaser, I've had that problem too.
[01:44] <Cloudchaser> is there a way without rebooting?
[01:44] <Matt|> bizarre
[01:44] <Matt|> that shouldn't happen
[01:44] <Cloudchaser> i used to get the same thing with CF on rh9, but killall fam took care of that
[01:44] <Cloudchaser> didn't on ubuntu though
[01:45] <billytwowilly> Cloudchaser, I haven't found it. fuser -a /media/cdrom0 should display what is accessing it and it doesn't
[01:45] <billytwowilly> and nothing is shown
[01:45] <Cloudchaser> ah ok i'll try that next time
[01:47] <billytwowilly> well, that didn't fix it.. it didnt show anything as accessing it.
[01:47] <Cloudchaser> well its one step to try anyway
[01:48] <Cloudchaser> to see if something is showing
[01:51] <KneelBeforeXorg> okay, so ghostscript just isn't finding my fonts at all
[01:55] <Faustus> does anyone have a workraround for the "unable to mount floppy" problem?  Googlw doesn't bring up much
[01:55] <Matt|> meh i'm off to bed. Nite all, bob2
[01:55] <Orcrist> so does anyone have any ideas about my problem?
[01:55] <Orcrist> could it be the driver or is it maybe a problem with x.org?
[01:56] <billytwowilly> Orcrist, what problem?
[01:56] <NetwrkMonkey> how do you configure samba?
[01:56] <NetwrkMonkey> i know how to turn it on but :/
[01:56] <billytwowilly> NetwrkMonkey, I'd like to know the same thing;)
[01:56] <ChibiFS> Well, you need some maraccas, and some toms perhaps
[01:56] <LinuxJones> dvdrip seems to be broken anybody know of a working repository ?
[01:57] <billytwowilly> marillat
[01:57] <Orcrist> billy, I'll just cut and paste
[01:57] <LinuxJones> marillat is broken apparently
 any of you guys having trouble in with the default nvidia driver in warty/hoary?
[01:57] <Orcrist> <-- sivang<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu ("Leaving")
 i had none a week ago.. i've since moved to ati
 Orcrist: whats the issue?
 well
 when I  try to ctrl-alt-f1-f6
 I get a black screen... and in this screen if I scroll down I see all the text left over from init plus a lot of colored ascii garbage
 like it's just showing me junk from the page frame buffer
 but I get no tty consoles
 and they're enabled in inittab just like they're supposed to be
 in fact, I've done almost nothing to #ubuntu
[01:57] <ChibiFS> And those  ghetto trashcan drums. Then you might have a good samba setup
 erm
 ubuntu :
[01:57] <KneelBeforeXorg> okay
[01:57] <KneelBeforeXorg> found i
[01:58] <KneelBeforeXorg> the ryumin font doesn't have a ghostscript counterpart for some reason
[01:58] <KneelBeforeXorg> and that's what firefox likes to spit out as the postcript font for japanese
[01:58] <billytwowilly> orcrist did you try hitting ctrl-c in the tty console? Maybe something funky is happening. Works great over here.
[01:58] <amer_> hey, where can i download azuereus ?
[01:59] <Orcrist> billy, you mean switch to the console then try ctrl-c?
[02:00] <Orcrist> just tried ctrl-c and ctrl-x... no good
[02:00] <Orcrist> amer
[02:00] <billytwowilly> no idea then.. sorry...
[02:00] <Orcrist> I believe it's azureus.sourceforge.net
[02:00] <Orcrist> billy thanks anyways
[02:00] <Orcrist> noone seems to know what it is
[02:01] <Orcrist> I'm thinking maybe my card doesn't like the default ubuntu nvidia driver
[02:01] <Orcrist> the package I ran under SuSE handled it just fine
[02:01] <billytwowilly> join one of the ubuntu mailing lists and ask there.
[02:01] <djtansey> anyone else here have problems with hotplug? mine takes FOREVER to load during bootup. 30 or so seconds.
[02:01] <Orcrist> where do I find this mailing list?
[02:02] <MobyTurbo> Orcrist, /topic
[02:02] <ChibiFS> djtansey - Don't update hotplug, it's bad for you D:
[02:02] <Orcrist> ahh there we go moby
[02:02] <Orcrist> didn't see it at first
[02:03] <djtansey> ChibiFS: how do you mean? the package? well it's already updated.
[02:03] <ChibiFS> Go backward. :P
[02:03] <djtansey> ChibiFS: what version?
[02:04] <ChibiFS> Well, are you using Hoary or Warty now?
[02:04] <djtansey> ChibiFS: and why isn't the package being fixed so an update will do it?
[02:04] <djtansey> warty
[02:04] <ChibiFS> Hrrmmm.. :/
[02:04] <ChibiFS> Do you have any cameras plugged in or anything?
[02:05] <djtansey> CHibiFS: when i boot i have next to nothing. laptop with CDRW/DVD, and nothing else plugged in.
[02:06] <TheCan> you really need cdrw/dvd? i prefer 2nd battery :D
[02:06] <djtansey> ChibiFS: and i can't seem to figure out where it logs what it is doing
[02:06] <ChibiFS> Hotplug is fairly expirimental. It likes to be explodey at the smallest things. :/
[02:07] <MobyTurbo> djtansey, /var/log/messages, other /var/log files and the dmesg command
[02:07] <djtansey> TheCan: i have an ibm x40 -- i boot with my docking station (where the CD is). i get 7.5 hours with my battery.
[02:07] <TheCan> djtansey, nice :)
[02:07] <TheCan> i will have one too, but propably in 3-4 years ;)
[02:07] <ChibiFS> Like.. err... My mouse for example. o_O;.. It didn't like my mouse, and wouldn't let me boot with my mouse plugged in.
[02:07] <MobyTurbo> IBM makes sweet laptops
[02:07] <netsplit> Wow @ 7.5 hours.
[02:08] <avatar> hey guys :) ... how can i disable UTC? windows and ubuntu are constantly fighting with the clock
[02:08] <djtansey> MobyTurbo: mean anything to you?
[02:08] <djtansey> Moby: user.log:Nov 21 20:49:53 localhost hal.hotplug[19355] : DEVPATH is not set
[02:08] <bob2> avatar: /etc/default/rcS
[02:08] <djtansey> Moby: indeed they do make sweet laptops.
[02:08] <avatar> bob2: thanks :)
[02:09] <djtansey> Moby: or this? syslog.0:Nov 18 10:03:17 localhost hal.hotplug[11682] : timout(10000 ms) waiting for /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb1/1-1/1-1:1.0
[02:09] <MobyTurbo> djtansey, unfortunately not. Are you using an ubuntu kernel?
[02:09] <ChibiFS> Oh yeah?!.. Well I've got a compaq LTE 5300 with a 133 mhz processor, 32 megs of ram, a 1.3 gig 4200 rpm hard-disk, and a 6 speed cdrom drive! D:
[02:09] <djtansey> Moby: up. 2.6.8
[02:09] <NetwrkMonkey> hey billytwowilly i found how to configure samba
[02:09] <NetwrkMonkey> :-)
[02:09] <MobyTurbo> djtansey, that sounds like something is wrong with udev or devfs or something.
[02:10] <TheCan> ChibiFS, this very thin one? :)
[02:10] <djtansey> Moby: doesn't matter anyways. just looked up just stuff from this boot. nothing interesting.
[02:10] <ChibiFS> Thin? It's 8 pounds, from 1996. I got it for 28 bucks, and use it to NX to home. :P
[02:10] <djtansey> another, unrelated, question -- can you change how many boots are between mandatory fsck checks?
[02:10] <MobyTurbo> djtansey, go to www.google.com/linux and plug in that error message there. That tends to be a great debugging tool. :-)
[02:11] <djtansey> Moby: I guessed that. saw some mention online but no answers. don't know what else to try. i'll try the google site
[02:11] <kapland> I just enabled universe, now whats this multiverse thing?
[02:11] <MobyTurbo> djtansey, you can change how many boots between fscks, I think with e2fsck tho I might be mistaken.
[02:11] <ChibiFS> multiverse is the most unsupported software, but it still works.
[02:12] <TheCan> breakverse :-)
[02:12] <MobyTurbo> kapland, multiverse is non-free-licensed software.
[02:12] <happyhobo> hello
[02:14] <KneelBeforeXorg> okay
[02:14] <KneelBeforeXorg> I narrowed it down
[02:14] <KneelBeforeXorg> mozilla-firefox just picks a bogus font for japanese
[02:14] <KneelBeforeXorg> epiphany too
[02:15] <sertmann> are there any databases avaible through the ubuntu respositories?
[02:15] <jono> hi all
[02:15] <MobyTurbo> sertmann, in universe there should be mysql and postgresql, among others.
[02:15] <jono> anyone here know how to clone a machine with linux?
[02:15] <KFM> Has anyone else had a problem of a blue screen during install?
[02:16] <happyhobo> I'm a Mepis user with Gnome 2.6.1 installed.  I wanted Ubuntu for its update and supports.  I was happy to find my new Ubuntu discs in the mail.   I ran the live CD and only the center 640 by 480 of my monitor.
[02:16] <kapland> MobyTurbo: ok, thanks
[02:16] <happyhobo> Mepis doesn't have this issue
[02:16] <kapland> MobyTurbo: equiv to debian non-free?
[02:16] <sertmann> MobyTurbo: all i could find was sql server, does the mysql project make something similar to access on windows?
[02:16] <MobyTurbo> kapland, yes
[02:17] <ChibiFS> happyhobo - It's a live CD, you need to specify the resolution on boot.
[02:17] <LinuxJones> happyhobo, what kind of video card do you have ?
[02:17] <bob2> MobyTurbo: kapland no
[02:17] <bob2> kapland: universe is unsupported Free software
[02:17] <bob2> multiverse is random non-free stuff
[02:17] <djtansey> btw -- i'm thinking of getting a new PDA. does anyone here have experience with palm PDAs and syncing with evolution?
[02:17] <MobyTurbo> sertmann, mysql is another sql style server.
[02:17] <kapland> where can you edit the gnome menu's in ubuntu?
[02:17] <happyhobo> dell inspiron 1100 intel extreme graphics 845 GL
[02:17] <ChibiFS> menu:///
[02:17] <ChibiFS> or applications:///
[02:17] <bob2> kapland: applications:/// in nautilus
[02:17] <jono>  would anyone here be interested in writing a hack for linux desktop hacks by o'reilly on cloning a machine with linux?
[02:18] <MobyTurbo> sertmann, there may be more easy to use database programs in the repository. Use apt-cache search and apt-cache show to look for them, or synaptic.
[02:18] <KFM> Has anyone else had a problem of a blue screen during install?
[02:18] <LinuxJones> jono, you mean making a system backup image of a Linux Desktop ?
[02:18] <sertmann> MobyTurbo: used synaptic, but couldn't find anything that worked
[02:19] <jono> LinuxJones, well cloning a machine so you can take a single cloned image and install it across lots of machines
[02:19] <MobyTurbo> sertmann, the non-free version of open-office, star office, includes a database. Other than that I don't know.
[02:19] <LinuxJones> jono, I would be interested in doing that sure, is there any money in it ;D
[02:19] <happyhobo> no matter what I specify on boot up it still center screens and when in gnome I can't change to anything higher
[02:19] <MobyTurbo> sertmann, considering that universe is *huge* I'm sure there's something there for you.
[02:19] <sertmann> hmmm
[02:20] <jono> LinuxJones, could you /msg me so we can discuss it
[02:20] <LinuxJones> jono, sure
[02:20] <jono> not seeing a /msg
[02:20] <happyhobo> any ideas?
[02:21] <NetwrkMonkey> mmm
[02:21] <MobyTurbo> happyhobo, I couldn't even get the live CD to boot, I guess you're better off than me. :-)
[02:21] <MobyTurbo> happyhobo, the install CD is fine though. :-)
[02:21] <happyhobo> dang
[02:21] <NetwrkMonkey> Just installed ubuntu today and so far I like what I see
[02:21] <sertmann> even google doesn't come up with something usefull, how can there be no big database that you can actually enter data into for linux.... ah well, guess ill just use CrossOver office and install access through that
[02:21] <moj0rising> has anyone had trouble running synaptic or any other admin tools?
[02:22] <happyhobo> I'd like what I saw if it didn't have freq issues and res issues
[02:22] <moj0rising> I get an error: "child treminated with 1 status"
[02:22] <NetwrkMonkey> nope
[02:22] <bob2> sertmann: big database != desktop thing with built in Visual Basic
[02:23] <moj0rising> does anyone here know what that means?
[02:23] <bob2> m0you're not on hoary, right?
[02:23] <moj0rising> warty
[02:23] <happyhobo> I'm on warty
[02:23] <moj0rising> I had the PR and used apt get ..
[02:23] <happyhobo> actually I'm on Simply Mepis RC2
[02:23] <moj0rising> ..to upgrade to current warty.
[02:24] <moj0rising> I also am doing the normal root thing..
[02:24] <moj0rising> ..instead of sudo.
[02:24] <moj0rising> because that is what I'm more accustomed to.
[02:24] <sertmann> bob2: isn't a commandline database pretty hard to work with :-/
[02:24] <zerox> whats the apt-get packages for the c++ compiler?
[02:24] <moj0rising> boI think
[02:24] <scaroo> ok, not really ubuntu related but, i dunno which X lib i must use tu get the XF86VidModeQueryVersion method, isnt the vidmode extention part of xorg ??
[02:25] <BeatrIX> Who here uses a slow cpu and ubuntu?
[02:25] <zerox> is it like gcc-c++ or something
[02:25] <sertmann> and i meant big as in widely used btw :)
[02:25] <MobyTurbo> sertmann, there are many web front-ends to it. PHP is commonly used for front ends to mysql.
[02:25] <bob2> sertmann: no, you write an actual access layer for it
[02:25] <happyhobo> it appears that a straight gnome/debian linux distro won't work on this laptop
[02:25] <bob2> sertmann: or use something dodgy like openoffice's db thing
[02:25] <bob2> or phpmyadmin
[02:25] <TheCan> happyhobo, boot with "custom"
[02:26] <happyhobo> Gnoppix 0.8.1 did the exact same thing
[02:26] <moj0rising> bob2, I think my problem is from the way I use the root acct. WHat do you think?
[02:26] <kapland> bob2: thanks (that was kinda delayed :)
[02:26] <happyhobo> TheCan, custom?
[02:26] <zerox> *echo* c++ compiler package *echo* heeh
[02:26] <bob2> moj0rising: haha, possibly
[02:27] <TheCan> happyhobo, yes just install a minimal system without gnome, and install some small windowmanager on it
[02:27] <moj0rising> any ideas on how I can fix it?
[02:27] <moj0rising> Have you ever heard of this?
[02:27] <happyhobo> I want gnome though, YheCan
[02:27] <scaroo> zerox, g++
[02:28] <bob2> zerox: install build-essential
[02:28] <TheCan> Hak`M, oh sorry i thought you was this  low resource guy ;)
[02:28] <zerox> oy veigh thanks
[02:28] <bob2> g++ by itself won't do anything
[02:28] <zerox> what will build-essential do
[02:28] <TheCan> well you need to edit your X config file then by hand
[02:28] <TheCan> if this doesnt work
[02:28] <happyhobo> How?  LOL
[02:28] <Hak`M> TheCan: next time highlight the right person please :P
[02:29] <TheCan> :D
[02:29] <scaroo> zealot, build-essential is a mewtapackage installing gcc/g++/libc and so on ... everything needed to compile
[02:29] <TheCan> i'm sorry
[02:29] <bob2> zerox: read the package description
[02:29] <scaroo> ^zerox
[02:29] <happyhobo> how?
[02:30] <scaroo> so anybody knows about "XF86VIDMODE" ?
[02:31] <scaroo> this extension seems to have been dumped in xorg ... and a lot of things compile against it .. :(
[02:32] <bob2> a "lot of things"?
[02:32] <bob2> like what?
[02:32] <scaroo> like cairo for example
[02:32] <scaroo> not cairo
[02:32] <scaroo> glitz actually
[02:32] <bob2> cairo is not a "lot of things", it's a low-level X library
[02:32] <bob2> same
[02:33] <scaroo> hum a lot of program (will) need it
[02:33] <bob2> no, they;ll link against glitz or whatever
[02:34] <scaroo> gtk aims to use cairo for its rendering
[02:35] <bob2> apt-get install libxxf86vm-dev
[02:36] <bob2> (daniels)
[02:36] <scaroo> well , great thank you !
[02:41] <ghj> there is a problem for mounting vfat floppy
[02:41] <Faustus> can someone please help with an issue here with a floppy?
[02:41] <ghj> i need to modprobe vfat before mount it
[02:41] <ghj> faustus: is this the problem?
[02:42] <Faustus> well it doesn't mount, so I can't access it
[02:42] <Faustus> not from gui
[02:43] <ghj> faustus open a termian
[02:43] <Faustus> unless I sudo mount -t msdos /dev/fd0/ media/floppy0
[02:43] <ghj> digit sudo modprobe vfat
[02:43] <zerox> not sure if anyone knows how to handle this http://www.pastebin.com/124069 ... anyone answers would help =)
[02:43] <ghj> and try to mount and umount it from the guy
[02:43] <Faustus> but even there Ican open the documents contained.
[02:44] <Faustus> I'll try sudo modprobe vfat
[02:44] <kent> zerox, it seems as if you are trying to compile something that needs a gaim-devel package or something? what are you trying to compile?
[02:45] <zerox> guifications plugin
[02:46] <g3r4rd0> did anyone had a slow, very slow boot in ubuntu???
[02:46] <g3r4rd0> that's when i install linux-686, with the 386 version, boots ok
[02:46] <kent> zerox, I did a search for gaim in ubuntu with synaptic and i found only the gaim binary, so perhaps you should file a bug?
[02:47] <zerox> its just a lpugin for gaim im trying to compile, just says it cant find gaim installed
[02:47] <kent> zerox, when a configure-script complains about lack of .pc file, it's always  the lack of development-files for the named package that it means. Like gaim.pc means the dev-files for gaim.
[02:48] <zerox> so i should file a bug?
[02:49] <kent> zerox, yes, i would think so.
[02:49] <zerox> okey dokey
[02:49] <zerox> thanks
[02:50] <kent> zerox, On gaim.sourceforge.net there is -devel packages for Fedora,  so i think also Ubuntu should ship a -devel package, so that peopl can compile their own plugins for gaim. That seems fair.
[02:50] <jono> anyone else know how to clone a machine?
[02:51] <happyhobo> It looks like I just need to stick to Mepis with gnome added because this way i don't have to fight to just get my whole screen
[02:52] <happyhobo> The Dell Inspiron 1100 is a horrid little machine for Linux anyways
[02:53] <g3r4rd0> vguerra, did you fix your problem??
[02:53] <NetwrkMonkey> the 1100 is horrid for anything
[02:54] <happyhobo> Things like this make me wonder if linux will make it mainstream though
[02:54] <NetwrkMonkey> thep roblem is dell uses proprietary shit
[02:54] <NetwrkMonkey> :-)
[02:55] <NetwrkMonkey> let me emphasize the *shit* part heh
[02:55] <NetwrkMonkey> they used to use good parts
[02:55] <NetwrkMonkey> then they switched everything overseas and the quality started to slip horridly
[02:55] <zerox> sorry one last question... apt-get install gtk is it gtk or something like gtk2.0_0-devel
[02:56] <TheCan> arr
[02:56] <TheCan> why doesnt this mppe patch work?
[02:56] <happyhobo> yes but i could get old 3.1 to work on here and as advanced as linux has gotten very few distros work out of the box
[02:56] <TheCan> it says it didnt find any patches for <IP_ADDRESS>-2
[02:57] <happyhobo> Mandrake and Mepis neither of which I want to use are the only ones that work immediately
[02:58] <egon_spengler> zerox: Try apt-cache search gtk for all the gtk items. That will give you the exact name you want
[02:58] <happyhobo> Mepis is awesome, can't knock it but it is tied up tight with Kde so there are conflicts installing gnome
[02:59] <ironwolf> hurray!  I solved my mount problem... many thanks to all who helped.
[02:59] <happyhobo> congrats ironwolf
[02:59] <linux_galore> hai folks
[02:59] <zerox> thanks
[02:59] <happyhobo> hi linux galore
[03:00] <ironwolf> anyone seeing where your cmos loses current date/time with latest hoary?
[03:01] <zerox> it says im using gtk 2.0 but when i compile gaim it says http://www.pastebin.com/124074
[03:01] <SCOUnix> hi
[03:01] <SCOUnix> so whats the latest with ubuntu?
[03:02] <GoneBoB> ?
[03:02] <ironwolf> SCOUnix: could you quantify a bit more?
[03:03] <XhyldazhK> hi all
[03:03] <SCOUnix> just wondering
[03:03] <XhyldazhK> debain packages are usable in Ubuntu?
[03:03] <GoneBoB> XhyldazhK: not exactly
[03:03] <kent> zerox, are you sure you have the libgtk2.0-dev package?    having the library is not the same thing as having the -devel package installed.
[03:04] <GoneBoB> however 'universe' packaes are debian
[03:05] <kent> zerox, install libgtk2.0-dev  using synaptic.
[03:05] <LinuxJones> SCOUnix, that's not a very pleasing name you have there :D
[03:05] <zerox> man im such a newb... thanks Kent
[03:05] <XhyldazhK> GoneBoB, how do I add debian repositories to synaptic?
[03:05] <KneelBeforeXorg> SCOUnix: that's not a very interesting troll
[03:06] <GoneBoB> XhyldazhK: it's not recommended, you should simplyt  enable universe
[03:06] <GoneBoB> what do you actually want to ACHEIVE
[03:06] <vguerra> hi all!
[03:06] <XhyldazhK> GoneBoB, have latest latest latest games
[03:06] <LinuxJones> vguerra, hiya
[03:06] <kent> zerox, every one have been there, its nothing to be ashemed of. All that matters is to be able to ask precise questions, i guess..
[03:06] <vguerra> im having problems updating my kernel from 386 to 686
[03:06] <GoneBoB> latest games are all payfor and not packaged, last time I checked
[03:07] <XhyldazhK> latest opensourced versions of games and 3d stuff
[03:07] <zerox> and would you believe i installed gentoo stage1 in 3 weeks.. haha.. i must have installed it 10 times before it worked semi then i switched haha
[03:07] <XhyldazhK> or at least free ones like quake2 and wolfenstein et
[03:07] <vguerra> everithing goes cool.. but when i reboot with the 686 kernel image.. the system goes so slow ..
[03:07] <LinuxJones> vguerra, you mean the pre-packaged linux-images ?
[03:07] <vguerra> linuxjones, yeah.. the pre-package linux-images
[03:07] <GoneBoB> XhyldazhK: debian q2 is .. not very good
[03:08] <GoneBoB> and ET has it's own installer
[03:08] <LinuxJones> vguerra, what processor do you have ?
[03:08] <GoneBoB> ok, I'm out
[03:08] <XhyldazhK> thanx
[03:08] <vguerra> linuxjones, i have an intel pentium m
[03:08] <SCOUnix> linuxjones:  Im pro sco in the lawsuit but im not anti linux
[03:08] <kent> zerox, most errors you get from running the configure script is about lack of devel packages. Like, to compile a package that uses gtk/gnome or something, you need both the library and the development package for that library. Thats the first thing to check when you get errors.  Use synaptic to check if you got packages like that installed. If it still complains, ask here :)
[03:08] <LinuxJones> SCOUnix, how can you possibly be pro-SCO, they have nothing ?
[03:08] <vguerra> linuxjones: i already tried installing the kernel from the source... and the result is the same
[03:08] <SCOUnix> linuxjones:  I havent seen an OS ready for the desktop yet
[03:08] <lil_anthony> anyone know if there is a debian package for fbsetbg? i'm using fluxbox and can't seem to find that package
[03:09] <zerox> thanks kent :)
[03:09] <SCOUnix> linuxjones:  #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:09] <SCOUnix> thanks
[03:09] <zerox> well, im gonna go... i just used make on gaim.... i fear the results it will display upon my terminal
[03:10] <SCOUnix> linuxjones:  we talk about ubuntu here
[03:10] <LinuxJones> vguerra, it is probably that intel hasn't provided many specs for the Mobile processor, might be easier to jsut use the 386 kernel unless you need some functionality from the 686 kernel
[03:11] <bob2> LinuxJones: please try to ignore the obvious trolls
[03:11] <LinuxJones> SCOUnix, thanks for the information, I really appreciate it troll
[03:11] <vguerra> linuxjones: well 386 kernel work just fine for me.. its not so necesary the 686 kernel
[03:11] <SCOUnix> whos trolling, u brought up my nick
[03:11] <SCOUnix> i didnt make the 1st comment, u did
[03:11] <LinuxJones> bob2, I have a few beer into me :D
[03:11] <bob2> SCOUnix: please stop trolling
[03:11] <SCOUnix> bob2:  Huh?
[03:11] <SCOUnix> bob2:  We talk about ubuntu here
[03:12] <bob2> SCOUnix: your nick is designed to be annoyingly stupid, so just drop it completely
[03:12] <SCOUnix> bob2:  WTF?
[03:12] <bob2> SCOUnix: thanks
[03:12] <LinuxJones> SCOUnix, you entered here with it and started about backing SCO but being pro-Linux just leave please !!
[03:12] <bob2> LinuxJones: dude.
[03:13] <vguerra> linuxjones: i just wanted to install the 686 kernel because im having problems with the temperature.. my machine is going down because it tells that has reached the cretical temperature
[03:13] <LinuxJones> bob2, I know
[03:13] <bob2> thanks
[03:13] <vguerra> linuxjones: but i guess that it sounds more like a acpi problem
[03:13] <LinuxJones> vguerra, are your fans working properly ?
[03:13] <vguerra> linuxjones: yeha the fans works all the time
[03:13] <Faustus> thks that solved the floppy prob
[03:15] <grelli> and how is #ubuntu this -0700 evening?
[03:15] <vguerra> linuxjones: it kind of weird cause i can spend hours working with my laptop.. but if i ( for example ) try to compile the kernel.. it doesnt make it.. and goes down
[03:15] <LinuxJones> vguerra, I would re-boot and check the temperature settings in bios.  That has all gone away and now it is jsut a case of breach of contract or some garbage. I guess lying to the courts is not a crime in America ?
[03:19] <Fubar> i ordered one like on nov 20th
[03:19] <Fubar> err
[03:19] <bob2> Fubar: yes
[03:19] <Fubar> around there
[03:19] <grelli> I've noticed a rather odd behaviour lately
[03:19] <bob2> Fubar: if you rdered 8 days ago, yours on't be there for a while
[03:20] <Fubar> bob2:  how long ?  like a month?
[03:20] <bob2> Fubar: about that
[03:20] <grelli> if I select reboot or shutdown, upon re-logging in the X session dies
[03:20] <Fubar> i gather there would be a big waiting list
[03:20] <grelli> the fix is to chown $USER ~/.ICEauthority
[03:20] <bob2> Fubar: it's not a problem with that
[03:20] <Fubar> bob2:  ubuntu was nice enough to ship those cds out :)
[03:20] <grelli> has anyone else been seeing this
[03:20] <bob2> grelli: don't run k3b
[03:20] <LinuxJones> grelli, ya you have k3b installed
[03:20] <Fubar> bob2 oh
[03:21] <grelli> it's k3b that's doing that eh?
[03:21] <bob2> yes
[03:21] <grelli> I was wondering what would be causing it
[03:22] <grelli> hehehe
[03:22] <grelli> what gnome burners are available?
[03:22] <grelli> before toying with k3b I was an x-cd-roast guy
[03:22] <bob2> nautilus
[03:22] <grelli> that's seemed to not like me
[03:23] <grelli> though I am running Hoary, so I shouldn't be suprise
[03:23] <grelli> d
[03:23] <bob2> what's the number of the bug you filed?
[03:23] <ZeroX|AFK> does anyone know what package for ubuntu i need to shut it up from saying SSL support needed for GAIM
[03:24] <Fubar> bob2:  How do i take a screenshot for a bug i filed with x?
[03:24] <egon_spengler> ZeroX|AFK: Could be libnspr from mozilla for security
[03:24] <bob2> Fubar: computer -> screenshot or so
[03:24] <Fubar> oh
[03:24] <Fubar> doh
[03:24] <bob2> not in hoary tho, but then you know to read the "import" manpage
[03:24] <Fubar> bob2:  thats the wrong one actually...... uhmm
[03:24] <Fubar> hold on let me get the bug report
[03:25] <Fubar> lspci output, how do i get this?
[03:26] <Fubar> i have a livecd i just burnt
[03:26] <bob2> "lspci"
[03:26] <bob2> run it
[03:26] <Fubar> oh
[03:26] <Fubar> how do i run it so i can cut and paste it i mean
[03:26] <Fubar> like in windows its >filename.txt im used to
[03:26] <Fubar> is there a way with lspci?
[03:27] <Fubar> like lspci >filename.txt?
[03:27] <LinuxJones> lspci >> filename
[03:27] <bob2> erm, just do that
[03:27] <Fubar> oh 2 >>
[03:27] <Fubar> ok thanks :)
[03:27] <bob2> windows got that from unix shells
[03:27] <bob2> no, one >
[03:27] <Fubar> oh
[03:27] <LinuxJones> eother will work
[03:27] <ghj> is needed hald to automount usb key on ubuntu?
[03:27] <Fubar> thanks
[03:27] <LinuxJones> terr either
[03:27] <Fubar> let me boot up ubuntu
[03:27] <LinuxJones> err err
[03:27] <Fubar> brb
[03:28] <bob2> ghj: yes
[03:28] <bob2> it's generally a bad idea to remove stuff like that
[03:28] <grelli> bob2 I haven't filed a bug yet
[03:28] <ghj> bob2: but ubuntu had not installed it
[03:28] <grelli> I've been trying to stabilize the rest of my system
[03:29] <snausages> I'm having trouble downloading the ISO
[03:29] <grelli> I get the distinct impression something is dieing on me, but I'm not sure what yet
[03:29] <bob2> ghj: hal is in the default desktop system
[03:29] <gson> huttan nope
[03:29] <gson> sger inget
[03:29] <snausages> the last one I downloaded and burned on a cd didn't work, the install hung
[03:29] <bob2> snausages: just check the md5sum of the cd after you burn it
[03:30] <LinuxJones> snausages, it was probably a bad disk maybe
[03:30] <snausages> bob2, how do i check?
[03:30] <snausages> actually i downloaded the torrent file
[03:30] <snausages> and i thought that would complete properly
[03:30] <bob2> snausages: md5sum /dev/hdc or whatever
[03:30] <snausages> i'm on windows
[03:31] <bob2> oh well
[03:31] <LinuxJones> snausages, re-join the stream maybe you got dropped or something
[03:31] <bob2> that won't be the problem
[03:31] <snausages> I'll just download it again. and burn a new iso
[03:31] <LinuxJones> umm
[03:31] <bob2> not burning the CD correctly is a bigger issue
[03:31] <LinuxJones> yes it could be the problem
[03:31] <snausages> btw, at what speed should i burn the iso?
[03:31] <bob2> don't waste 650MB of bandwidth again
[03:32] <snausages> i burned the last one at 8x
[03:32] <LinuxJones> bob2, he has to re-join the same stream
[03:32] <bob2> LinuxJones: if you don't close BT early, I really doubt it downloaded incorrectly
[03:32] <snausages> I left it for a longer time that what it needed to download
[03:33] <LinuxJones> bob2, ya but I have been dropped from a bt stream before
[03:33] <snausages> but again, at which speed should i burn it?
[03:33] <bob2> do 2 or whatever if your drive is dodgy
[03:33] <snausages> ok
[03:34] <snausages> the lowest i can select is 4x
[03:35] <snausages> do i have to finalize the cd?
[03:35] <bob2> um, of course
[03:36] <warty> this is interesting
[03:36] <Fubar> oops
[03:36] <Fubar> bob2:  I tried gnoppix (powered by ubuntu)
[03:36] <Fubar> it doesnt have that same bug
[03:36] <Fubar> latest version
[03:36] <Fubar> i was going to use this to report it
[03:37] <bob2> the lspci output won't differ
[03:37] <MobyTurbo> gnoppix is Debian-based, not Ubuntu-based (though to add to the confusion Ubuntu is also Debian-based.)
[03:37] <Fubar> mobyturbo:  it says powered by ubuntu
[03:38] <MobyTurbo> Fubar, not originally at least, maybe there are new developments...
[03:38] <Fubar> mobyturbo:  I have the latest one
[03:38] <MobyTurbo> Fubar, gnoppix was originally a GNOME version of knoppix, which is Debian-based.
[03:38] <Fubar> yeah now ubuntu and gnoppix are working together
[03:39] <Fubar> in the gnome bar it has the about ubunut
[03:39] <Fubar> err ubuntu
[03:39] <MobyTurbo> Fubar, that's good, because my ubuntu live CD didn't work.
[03:39] <Fubar> i tried this one cause it had a newer version than ubuntu's livecd
[03:39] <Fubar> bob2 nope still get the error
[03:39] <MobyTurbo> luckily the ubuntu install CD works fine. :-)
[03:39] <Fubar> ill do the lspci now
[03:41] <bob2> gnoppix is very much involved with ubuntu
[03:41] <bob2> the latest release of gnoppix is the ubuntu live cd
[03:41] <MobyTurbo> bob2, the same as the warty one that didn't work here?
[03:41] <GotD0t> does anybody have dual-head configured in hoary?
[03:42] <bob2> the md5sums of the isos are the same, dude
[03:42] <MobyTurbo> bob2, hopefully both projects will fix this problem.
[03:43] <MobyTurbo> though I personally don't have much of a need of a Live CD, I have friends that would probably prefer trying a live CD first before committing to a dual-boot or Linux-only system.
[03:45] <GotD0t> how do you clear the bash history
[03:45] <jiyuu0> rm it
[03:45] <MobyTurbo> GotD0t, rm ~/.bash_history
[03:45] <Fubar> bob2:  is the one before latest which is also ubuntu powered the same as the livecd?
[03:45] <GotD0t> thanks MobyTurbo
[03:46] <Fubar> or is the latest one the same where it was brought up to sync?
[03:46] <Fubar> i downloaded this one cause it was a newer file date
[03:46] <Fubar> but i take it the 2 projects will be merged?
[03:46] <shingokii> Hi - whats the best way to get reaplayer going on ubuntu?
[03:47] <bob2> Fubar: no idea
[03:47] <Fubar> bob2:  how do i take a screenshot on the fly?
[03:47] <Fubar> bob2:  I need to record an error
[03:47] <Fubar> on the screen
[03:47] <Quest-Master> join #ika
[03:47] <Quest-Master> Eek
[03:48] <MobyTurbo> Fubar, Computer > take screenshot...
[03:48] <Fubar> moby i need to get to it by clicking an icon tho
[03:48] <Fubar> it occurs when i click on something
[03:48] <MobyTurbo> Fubar, maybe drag and drop the menu item.
[03:49] <Fubar> is there a command to do it so i can do it as i click on the browser?
[03:49] <MobyTurbo> Fubar, or use export from imagemagik, which is in the main repository.
[03:49] <bob2> Fubar: sleep ; import -window root ./screen,png
[03:49] <bob2> er, 'sleep 5s'
[03:49] <MobyTurbo> s/imagemagik/imagemagick
[03:49] <Fubar> bob2 so click on it then put it to sleep?
[03:49] <Fubar> bbo2:  It occurs as soon as i click on the icon, really fast
[03:50] <bob2> um, ok
[03:50] <bob2> no idea then
[03:51] <Fubar> no shortcut for screenshot?
[03:51] <shingokii> ah well I just used the bin installer, seemed to work ;)
[03:52] <sulkd> in current hoary? well the gnome team moved the shortcut from the panel package to the utils.. it will probably resurface next time the utils package gets released
[04:00] <bob2> it's an upstream gnome issue, not a ubuntu one
[04:02] <s0cks>      #
[04:06] <gnurt> --- # :Illegal channel name
[04:06] <KneelBeforeXorg> haha
[04:06] <KneelBeforeXorg> he's typing english in cyrillic
[04:06] <KneelBeforeXorg> hi people of the channel ubuntu
[04:06] <snerfu> hi
[04:06] <KneelBeforeXorg> it's a russian keyboard layout on a US keyboard
[04:13] <s0cks> :P
[04:13] <s0cks> He got me
[04:14] <Fubar> wow
[04:15] <Fubar> ubuntu is working overtime tonite :)
[04:15] <Fubar> i sent out the logs for my bug, hit one of the developers in a collision on bugzilla :)
[04:15] <Fubar> turns out they wanted more info so i shot it over
[04:15] <eruin> freeciv is fun
[04:15] <eruin> :>
[04:16] <_|Imanewbie|_> eruin: Indeed
[04:16] <_|Imanewbie|_> I need an opinion
[04:16] <Fubar> why are bugs deleted from bugzilla?
[04:16] <Fubar> i gave them more info and the bug isnt on the list anymore
[04:16] <_|Imanewbie|_> Should I still go out? it is 1 AM here
[04:17] <Fubar> does that mean it was accepted?
[04:17] <Fubar> or deleted?
[04:17] <snerfu> no
[04:18] <_|Imanewbie|_> snerfu: no for me?
[04:18] <s0cks>     ,     . !
[04:21] <Fubar> dang
[04:21] <Fubar> ubuntu will never make it to primetime
[04:21] <Fubar> they keep closing out my bugs
[04:21] <Fubar> seems like they need more resources
[04:22] <Fubar> i had a screen rendering problem, they are like VESA is often problematic
[04:22] <s0cks> Fubar : Maybe it is just a multiple reference.
[04:22] <Fubar> s0cks:  Dunno
[04:22] <Fubar> s0cks:  i shot back problem occurs with warty install cd as well
[04:22] <Fubar> Please reopen this bug if you can reproduce this problem on the install CD;
[04:22] <Fubar> VESA is often problematic.
[04:23] <Fubar> which it does
[04:23] <Fubar> with the glx drivers
[04:23] <s0cks> When are they making the bug reporting client?
[04:23] <Fubar> new client?
[04:23] <Fubar> to replace bugzilla?
[04:23] <s0cks> Yeah
[04:23] <s0cks> It mentioned something somewhere.
[04:23] <_|Imanewbie|_> l
[04:26] <Fubar> linux tries to do too much
[04:26] <Fubar> it should not worry about drivers for others hardware
[04:26] <Fubar> should let the manufacturers handle those
[04:26] <Fubar> opensource of course :)
[04:26] <eruin> you wish
[04:26] <KneelBeforeXorg> the manufacturers don't make them, dude
[04:27] <KneelBeforeXorg> besides, they'd never do a good job
[04:27] <KneelBeforeXorg> they never do
[04:27] <Fubar> kneel:  With windows who makes the drivers?
[04:27] <Fubar> the hardware makers?
[04:27] <KneelBeforeXorg> Fubar: they do
[04:27] <Fubar> or microsoft?
[04:27] <KneelBeforeXorg> but that's not the way free software works
[04:27] <Fubar> kneel:  linux has limited resources
[04:27] <GotD0t> is it possible to set up 3d acceleration in hoary?
[04:27] <KneelBeforeXorg> hahahahaha
[04:27] <KneelBeforeXorg> you're joking
[04:27] <Fubar> they try to do too much
[04:28] <big> does aney 1 need help?
[04:28] <Fubar> does Sun use the same xfree client?
[04:28] <Fubar> or they use their own?
[04:28] <Fubar> just curious
[04:28] <Fubar> they used to have their own
[04:28] <KneelBeforeXorg> I'll take 500 bored norwegians pounding on PCI dumps during the white nights over some underpaid hardware tech at S3
[04:28] <KneelBeforeXorg> microsoft has the power to FORCE the hw vendors to write their own drivers
[04:28] <Fubar> kneel:  Alot of em do tho..... just not opensource for linux
[04:28] <Fubar> like nvidia has linux drivers
[04:29] <Fubar> the glx drivers are closed source right?
[04:30] <_|Imanewbie|_> MS is d00med
[04:30] <Hikaru79> How efficient is kill and killall? Does it completely free up the resources and memory used up by the 'kill'ed application?
[04:30] <KneelBeforeXorg> And they break every time Xfree changes their ABIs
[04:30] <netsplit> How bad is it to plug a 5V power adapter into a device that wants 4.5V?
[04:30] <GotD0t> i wish you were right _|Imanewbie|_
[04:30] <KneelBeforeXorg> Hikaru79: a killed application will release all non-shared resources
[04:30] <KneelBeforeXorg> netsplit: what's the tolerance listed?
[04:30] <KneelBeforeXorg> netsplit: sometimes the device will have a +/-
[04:30] <_|Imanewbie|_> GotD0t: Ubuntu is the kind of project that shows hoe simple and power full linux can be
[04:30] <KneelBeforeXorg> and so will the adapter
[04:30] <s0cks> KneelBeforeXorg: You in the linux mafia?
[04:31] <KneelBeforeXorg> s0cks: you mean rick moen?
[04:31] <s0cks> KneelBeforeXorg : You are linux genious.
[04:31] <KneelBeforeXorg> ...
[04:31] <_|Imanewbie|_> besides look at the crappy programs they offer like explorer compared with mozilla it is a piece of $hit
[04:31] <netsplit> KneelBeforeXorg: The adapter says: INPUT: 100-240V ~ 50/60Hz 0.27-0.17A 23-32VA 13W
[04:31] <s0cks> Yeah
[04:31] <s0cks> Mozilla pwns all
[04:31] <netsplit> KneelBeforeXorg: OUTPUT: 5V 2A
[04:31] <KneelBeforeXorg> hmmm
[04:31] <Burgundavia> netsplit: you might kill the thing, but amps are worse
[04:32] <s0cks> Some moron prefers IE to Firefox even though he has used both.
[04:32] <KneelBeforeXorg> netsplit: yeah, amps are the big problem.
[04:32] <netsplit> Burgundavia: which am I likely to kill, the adapter or the radio?
[04:32] <KneelBeforeXorg> radio
[04:32] <Burgundavia> the radio
[04:32] <KneelBeforeXorg> overvoltage isn't as bad as undervoltage
[04:32] <Burgundavia> adapters are pretty tough
[04:32] <_|Imanewbie|_> s0cks: some people prefer masturbation than sex, there allways be dump ppl
[04:32] <GotD0t> netsplit, what type of radio?
[04:32] <KneelBeforeXorg> what does the radio say about the amps?
[04:32] <KneelBeforeXorg> you can calculate
[04:33] <KneelBeforeXorg> see if it comes out in the wash
[04:33] <netsplit> KneelBeforeXorg: Either 70A or 70mA, don't remember which.
[04:33] <s0cks> There is this one song that is like 'and I think sex is over rated too.
[04:33] <KneelBeforeXorg> hahahaha
[04:33] <KneelBeforeXorg> 70A!!!
[04:33] <netsplit> GotD0t: it's a Sony ICF-M410V digital radio.
[04:33] <KneelBeforeXorg> almost certainly mA
[04:33] <netsplit> OK, pardon me. 70mA it is.
[04:33] <KneelBeforeXorg> sorry
[04:34] <KneelBeforeXorg> for most electronics you'll rarely see more than a handful of amperes
[04:34] <netsplit> KneelBeforeXorg: it takes 3 1.5V AA batteries.
[04:34] <_|Imanewbie|_> I'm going to eat something or someone =p lets see what the bar has to offer back sometime
[04:34] <KneelBeforeXorg> aha, now we're getting somewhere
[04:34] <linux_galore> hmm milliamperes
[04:34] <KneelBeforeXorg> is it a tiny little device?
[04:34] <GotD0t> netsplit, but the question is are the batteries in series or parallel ;-)
[04:35] <KneelBeforeXorg> hahaha
[04:35] <KneelBeforeXorg> GotD0t: almost certainly in series, you goof
[04:35] <GotD0t> KneelBeforeXorg, it was a joke
[04:35] <linux_galore> Ive got cpu's Im designing into new products thats use micro amperes
[04:35] <netsplit> Yes, it's pretty small.
[04:35] <GotD0t> KneelBeforeXorg, is a dinky little AM/FM/Weather band reciever
[04:35] <KneelBeforeXorg> ah
[04:35] <netsplit> Yes.
[04:35] <KneelBeforeXorg> yeah, it's probably not got much in the way of power tolerance
[04:35] <netsplit> That didn't come with an adapter.
[04:36] <KneelBeforeXorg> also
[04:36] <GotD0t> wanna see what radio i'm getting?
[04:36] <netsplit> The adapter I'm thinking of using came from my PDA.
[04:36] <KneelBeforeXorg> check to make sure that the power brick's polarity matches the radio's
[04:36] <GotD0t> http://www.icomamerica.com/products/amateur/t2h/
[04:36] <netsplit> The polarity matches.
[04:36] <KneelBeforeXorg> okay
[04:36] <KneelBeforeXorg> and the connector's the same size?
[04:36] <netsplit> Yes, same size.
[04:36] <KneelBeforeXorg> wow
[04:36] <KneelBeforeXorg> what luck
[04:36] <Burgundavia> I have a question regarded fam and gamin
[04:36] <netsplit> Question is can I use it? Hehe.
[04:36] <KneelBeforeXorg> my guess is that you could risk it
[04:37] <Burgundavia> Can I remove fam now that gamin is installed?
[04:37] <GotD0t> netsplit, you might be able to pick one up from radio shack at the correct Voltage
[04:37] <KneelBeforeXorg> yeah
[04:37] <netsplit> KneelBeforeXorg: so you think the adapter won't go bad?  I'm more worried about the adapter because the PDA was expensive and would be useless without one hehe.
[04:37] <KneelBeforeXorg> it's best to get one that matches
[04:37] <KneelBeforeXorg> aha
[04:37] <KneelBeforeXorg> the adapter will be ine
[04:37] <KneelBeforeXorg> but you could blow a zener or something in the radio
[04:38] <KneelBeforeXorg> pumping too much power out
[04:38] <GotD0t> netsplit, whats the correct voltage? 4.5?
[04:38] <Gmail> KneelBeforeXorg: no KneelBeforeXfree
[04:38] <netsplit> Yes, the radio wants 4.5.
[04:38] <KneelBeforeXorg> Gmail: cower under the might of the tyrant from Krypton!
[04:38] <GotD0t> netsplit, AC or DC?
[04:39] <KneelBeforeXorg> GotD0t: troll.
[04:39] <netsplit> The radio wants DC.
[04:39] <GotD0t> KneelBeforeXorg, troll that has taken up residence
[04:39] <KneelBeforeXorg> haha
[04:39] <KneelBeforeXorg> it wants the same profile as three AA batteries
[04:39] <GotD0t> netsplit, radioshack sells them
[04:39] <GotD0t> netsplit, i just checked... they have them in 4.5V
[04:39] <linux_galore> if its a radio it will be DC.....if itsd a small portable job  2.7-6v should be fine @ 100-200ma
[04:39] <netsplit> I have a universal adapter from Radio Shack from years ago, and it didn't have a plug that fit this hole.
[04:40] <s0cks> gmail : Kneelbeforeopenoffice
[04:40] <GotD0t> netsplit, but its the right votltage?
[04:40] <netsplit> Yes, I have a universal adapter that does from 1.5 to 9V I think, but none of the plugs fit.
[04:40] <GotD0t> err... votltage = voltage,
[04:40] <GotD0t> go to radioshack... they sell adapters that should fit
[04:40] <linux_galore> GotD0t: with small devices the volatge isnt a problem its the current...the single trasistor regulators in those things have a +- of over 100%
[04:40] <GotD0t> like individuals
[04:41] <KneelBeforeXorg> what you need is a voltaic pile
[04:41] <Gmail> s0cks: KneelBeforeDebian
[04:41] <GotD0t> Gmail: shut up
[04:41] <linux_galore> netsplit: whats thew current rating on the brick
[04:41] <s0cks> Gmail : Shut up.
[04:41] <netsplit> linux_galore: 70mA.
[04:42] <s0cks> Debian < Ubuntu
[04:42] <bob2> Gmail: s0cks please stop it
[04:42] <linux_galore> Net fine is this a small 2  AA battery radio or 4 battery
[04:42] <s0cks> bob2 : me? Little old me?
[04:42] <bob2> this isn't an approriate place to have 'distro warz'
[04:42] <netsplit> linux_galore: the radio wants three AA battries.
[04:42] <s0cks> Im innocent.
[04:42] <bob2> s0cks: anyway
[04:42] <linux_galore> Net ok you will need 6v  to compensate for the 30% loss on the regulator
[04:43] <GotD0t> netsplit, best thing to do would be to take it to radioshack and have them take a look at it
[04:43] <linux_galore> Net I design small portable devices for a living
[04:43] <netsplit> linux_galore: could you explain that?
[04:43] <Gmail> GotD0t: shut up too
[04:43] <GotD0t> netsplit, you nevermind... listen to him
[04:44] <netsplit> My adapter does 5V 2A I think, and the radio wants 4.5V 70mA.
[04:44] <egon_spengler> netsplit Ratshack would have one of the variable voltage adapters for yer device, running about 12-14 USD
[04:45] <netsplit> egon_spengler: You're losing me, why do I want variable voltage?   I wish my install cds would get here.
[04:45] <egon_spengler> netsplit: The adapter has slider for 1.5/3/4.5/6 volts DC, based on one, two, three, or four 1.5 v cells.
[04:46] <linux_galore> Net so 6v from a power pack after its regulated would hit the power raid at about 4.5
[04:46] <netsplit> egon_spengler: Yes, I have one of those, but the plug doesn't fit the hole.
[04:46] <linux_galore> rail*
[04:46] <bob2> GotD0t: Gmail: stop telling people to shut up
[04:47] <netsplit> linux_galore: so my PDA adapter that does 5V is too weak?
[04:47] <egon_spengler> netsplit: The newer ones from RatShack have a socket and you get to pick the one that fits yer socket. They have an octopus to let you check to see which one fits.
[04:47] <netsplit> linux_galore: is it safe for me to try it then without fear of breaking the adapter or the radio?
[04:47] <linux_galore> Net no most power packs usually over supply also by about 20% so you should get away with it
[04:48] <netsplit> egon_spengler: OK and lol @ RatShack.
[04:48] <egon_spengler> netsplit: I was a wage slave at the place for five years
[04:48] <netsplit> Aha.
[04:48] <epod> I will be so happy when I get my new motherboard and can format my home pc for ubuntu..
[04:49] <linux_galore> Net thats why you have to have the regulator on the power pack socket.....dont put one on the socket and even if you do use the right power pack the device wont last long so all devices have a regulator on power pack sockets
[04:49] <GotD0t> i will be so happy when this CRT finally dies so i can get a new one and not go crazy from this f'in ringing
[04:49] <netsplit> linux_galore: what's a power pack socket?
[04:49] <linux_galore> Net anything that allows you to plug a power pack into a device there is a massive range of them
[04:50] <usual> firestarter is cool
[04:50] <GotD0t> netsplit i dont suppose you would know of a way to reduce the ringing in my dying CRT?
[04:50] <linux_galore> Net  a socket is usually referred to as the female side of the relationship with a "plug"
[04:51] <netsplit> GotD0t: Err ... no?
[04:51] <netsplit> linux_galore: so the socket is on the radio?
[04:51] <linux_galore> Net yep
[04:51] <linux_galore> GotD0t:  your crt got flicker
[04:51] <netsplit> linux_galore: so you're telling me the radio has a regulator inside, so it won't get hurt if I feed it too much or too little power?
[04:52] <GotD0t> linux_galore, excuse me?
[04:52] <GotD0t> linux_galore, there this high pitched whine coming from it
[04:52] <linux_galore> Net well too little will just mean you wont get max volume too much will blow the regulator but the regulator is pretty tolerant
[04:53] <GotD0t> linux_galore, used to be only when there was a high concentration of white on the screen, but now its always
[04:53] <linux_galore> GotD0t: aaah means one of the large power regulator caps is going south or the EHT is running hot from the latter
[04:54] <GotD0t> linux_galore, i have no idea what you just said, but ill take it
[04:54] <_|Imanewbie|_> back
[04:54] <linux_galore> GotD0t:  basically its getting old and a cap is failing soon it will collapse all together and you will have a nice crappy picture or none
[04:54] <_|Imanewbie|_> I wonder where to go out to get a chick
[04:55] <GotD0t> linux_galore, anyway to fix whatever you just said... or would it be easier and/or cheaper to get a new one
[04:55] <GotD0t> linux_galore, well obviously not a new CRT
[04:55] <linux_galore> GotD0t:  usually you can track it with some hot/cold solvent just spray the caps when they are warm when it stops the one you sprayed needs replacing
[04:56] <GotD0t> linux_galore, but that would require me to open it up ;-)
[04:56] <linux_galore> GotD0t: lol I forget at times not everyone lives with piles of junk open on their desk at work
[04:57] <GotD0t> linux_galore, i do live with them... but i've heard stories of people cracking open a CRT and well not being too happy afterwards
[04:57] <epod> linux_galore, I do, but in my case, people seem to think they're 'computers' that are worth using
[04:58] <linux_galore> GotD0t: actually new crt's are pretty simplen compared to some of the earlier svg stuff that came out
[04:58] <GotD0t> linux_galore, im not about to crack it open, i know a lot about electronics but i really wouldn't like to test my knowledge on it
[04:58] <netsplit> linux_galore: OK, I plugged it in and it seems to work.  Do you think this will shorten the lifetime of the radio and if so by how much?
[04:58] <linux_galore> epod: just run Office 97 under codeweavers
[04:59] <linux_galore> ls ~/Desktop/cross*:
[04:59] <linux_galore> /home/logan1/Desktop/crossover-standard_4[1] .0-1_i386.deb
[05:00] <LucidVisions> epod: ive done it,its doable
[05:00] <epod> openoffice > MS Office - but no, I fix people's PC's, installing Linux on them isn't really so much of an option ;)
[05:00] <LucidVisions> but rough
[05:00] <epod> I am having an fun time convincing my GF to let me put Linux on our home PC
[05:00] <LucidVisions> epod: just cut down the xp services, and turn off the gui effects
[05:00] <epod> I am having to get her addicted to frozenbubble and pingus so that she likes games that are on linux ;)
[05:00] <epod> LucidVisions, yeah, true.
[05:00] <linux_galore> Net well this is a 5v power pack at 70ma right....to be honest it should last years at that rating
[05:01] <s0cks> Linux has better screen savers than windows
[05:01] <GotD0t> anybody know how to get dual head working in hoary?
[05:01] <linux_galore> yeah some of the OpenGL screensavers in Linux are stunning
[05:02] <netsplit> linux_galore: Well the adapter is 5V, I've got no idea how many amps.  The radio wants 70mA.  The adapter says: INPUT: 100-240V ~ 50-60Hz 0.27-0.17A 23-32VA 13W OUTPUT: 5V 2A ... if that means anything to you.
[05:02] <sjoerd> linux_galore: have a look at an sgi machine sometime, they have some very very nice screensavers
[05:02] <netsplit> (/me loves Mac OS X screensavers.(
[05:03] <netsplit> )*
[05:03] <linux_galore> Net dont use it too much amperage
[05:03] <linux_galore> Net its 2A out
[05:03] <big> does aney 1 need help?
[05:03] <linux_galore> thats  2,000ma  you want  70ma
[05:03] <netsplit> linux_galore: Oh, uh oh?  I just plugged it in and it worked.
[05:04] <linux_galore> Net pull it out before you over heat the regulator
[05:05] <GotD0t> haha
[05:05] <shaolin_> me!
[05:05] <shaolin_> hey big
[05:05] <GotD0t> big if someone needs help im sure they'll ask
[05:05] <shaolin_> notorius b.i.g.
[05:05] <linux_galore> Net as I said the voltage isnt the big danger its the OUTPUT Amperage
[05:05] <shaolin_> ok the version of firefox installed is a "reverted .93"
[05:05] <shaolin_> but I would like to install 1.0
[05:06] <GotD0t> shaolin_, pull the binary from firefox.com
[05:06] <shaolin_> I googled and found a procedure to set a trivial repository
[05:06] <shaolin_> hey dot...don't speak out of line
[05:06] <shaolin_> my question wasn't that anyways
[05:06] <shaolin_> It was ...what instability would i encoutner
[05:06] <linux_galore> Net you can run a small TV of 12v 2A  lol
[05:06] <shaolin_> since unbuntu must have had a good reason to not include it
[05:06] <LucidVisions> does anyone know that program that makes kde and gnome apps look alike..ie..more fluid and seamless
[05:07] <GotD0t> shaolin_, firefox 1 is stable and it came out after warty was released
[05:07] <linux_galore> lol 2 firefox 1 being stable
[05:07] <GotD0t> linux_galore, details
[05:07] <shaolin_> it seems more buggy then 1.0PR
[05:07] <netsplit> linux_galore: Why does my PDA want that many amps?
[05:07] <GotD0t> then why upgrade?
[05:07] <linux_galore> GotD0t:  the extensions and themes menu UI tool makes Firefox randomly crash
[05:07] <GotD0t> linux_galore, is that true?
[05:08] <linux_galore> GotD0t: I went back to 0.9
[05:08] <shaolin_> it's more stable than .93
[05:08] <shaolin_> at least the mini back buttons with your history works
[05:08] <GotD0t> GAH... i want my warty back
[05:08] <shaolin_> in the vanilla install it becomes greyed out at times
[05:08] <shaolin_> and my mozillamplayer plug-in is missing it's controls
[05:09] <shaolin_> I wanted to try it on 1.0
[05:09] <linux_galore> GotD0t: I wasnt the only person noticing that lots of people noticed how 1.0 was less stable than 0.9x  even an article on slashdot about it last week
[05:09] <GotD0t> linux_galore, i havent had probs with it
[05:09] <linux_galore> although I must admit Java works better on 1.0
[05:09] <shaolin_> it's better than IE ok
[05:10] <shaolin_> which is at 6.0
[05:10] <GotD0t> linux_galore, then again i didnt have problems with 1PR or .9x
[05:10] <linux_galore> GotD0t: 0.9 was fine....but 1.0 as soon as I started to add stuff and play with the menu options started crashing
[05:10] <ghj> hi anybody know why on ubuntu i cant resolve dns from a shared internet connection?
[05:11] <GotD0t> brb
[05:11] <linux_galore> ghj: eeer you havent defined your gateway properly
[05:12] <ghj> linux_galore: i'm running a dhcp server, ubunt get ip and gataway from here
[05:12] <GotD0t> ok im back... had to restart x
[05:12] <linux_galore> ghj: type route  make sure the gateway is there
[05:12] <shaolin_> ghj then check your dhcpizzle my nizzle
[05:13] <ghj> shaolin_ : from a windows machinge works
[05:14] <shaolin_> your ethernet is working fine right?
[05:14] <ghj> linux_galore: route is empty
[05:14] <ghj> shaolin
[05:14] <shaolin_> ifconfig
[05:14] <ghj> _ping on internal ip works fine
[05:14] <ghj> yes if config is fine
[05:15] <shaolin_> when you installed ubuntu was the internet connectivity working?
[05:16] <erik> hey, does wine/winex work with ubuntu amd64?
[05:16] <shaolin_> did you opt to download the updates and what not
[05:16] <linux_galore> erik: should do amd/64 run x86-32
[05:16] <linux_galore> runs*
[05:16] <erik> linux_galore: *should* but doesn't *seem* to and I'm wondering what I did wrong :p
[05:17] <netsplit> linux_galore: OK, I got the thing just a little wrong.  The radio wants 700mA and 4.5V, so how bad with an adapter that does 5V and 2A?
[05:17] <linux_galore> Net I wouldnt go above 1A
[05:18] <netsplit> linux_galore: OK, thanks!
[05:18] <shaolin_> dude u don't have enough voltage
[05:18] <linux_galore> Net you can get generic 800ma supplies everywhere
[05:18] <shaolin_> make one
[05:18] <shaolin_> step down transformer
[05:19] <shaolin_> then rectifier bridge
[05:19] <linux_galore> Net 600->1a  5->6v  should be fine
[05:19] <shaolin_> then an rlc circuit for filtering
[05:19] <shaolin_> and voila
[05:19] <netsplit> linux_galore: OK, thanks.
[05:20] <linux_galore> shaolin_: just use a simple dc->dc regulator lol with a fat heatsink
[05:20] <shaolin_> they could if their source was dc already
[05:20] <linux_galore> shaolin_: it is
[05:20] <shaolin_> shit...just get some batteries yo
[05:20] <netsplit> The source is the adapter for my PDA.
[05:21] <shaolin_> if you want a "quick" work around
[05:21] <linux_galore> shaolin_: at 700ma those batteries are going to be flat fast
[05:21] <netsplit> Well I *was* using batteries, but three AA batteries only lasted a week.
[05:21] <shaolin_> not a lead acid
[05:21] <shaolin_> they have lead acid batteries for laptops
[05:21] <shaolin_> or what about lion?
[05:22] <shaolin_> a laptop battery
[05:22] <linux_galore> Net you could always get a cheap assed 6v gel cel battery and use that power pack to recharge it and that cell should run for a few weeks
[05:22] <shaolin_> or just get a new powerpack
[05:22] <shaolin_> lol
[05:22] <shaolin_> i'm not really laughing however
[05:22] <linux_galore> depends how mobile he wants to be
[05:23] <shaolin_> he could gut out one of those hand powered flashlights
[05:23] <shaolin_> and connect that
[05:23] <shaolin_> he'd have to keep spinning it around though
[05:23] <shaolin_> weee
[05:24] <linux_galore> you can buy a battery pack that holds D cells with a power pack connector and a switch if you want it still portable but to last longer
[05:24] <shaolin_> d cells are huge
[05:24] <netsplit> How do I connect that D type batteries to the radio?
[05:24] <linux_galore> I saw a wind up radio at the markets they make them cheap now
[05:24] <shaolin_> might as well use the lion
[05:24] <sulkd> anyone else having problems getting disks-admin to create new mountpoints and sync them with fstab?
[05:25] <shaolin_> shit....just buy a radio
[05:25] <shaolin_> lol
[05:25] <Gmail> why is ubuntu live based on morphix when it can just be gnoppix which is based on ubuntu
[05:25] <sulkd> and why does the icon for disks-admin in system-configuration run the app, then ask for a sudo password when I close it at which point it will start it again?
[05:25] <linux_galore> Net well you can buy a pre-built battery holder now with the power pack connector and cable already setup just put the d cells in the box and plug the power cable in the power cable socket on the device in question
[05:25] <shaolin_> gnoppix is not based on ubuntu
[05:26] <shaolin_> knoppix/gnoppix and unbuntu are based on debian
[05:26] <shaolin_> gnoppix is just called that cause it uses gnome
[05:27] <linux_galore> though Ubuntu is actually more based on morphix/debian
[05:27] <linux_galore> thought*
[05:27] <shaolin_> debian is the root
[05:27] <shaolin_> it's not like these people are innovating
[05:28] <linux_galore> yes but Ubuntu used morphix to fast track its live CD rigg because morphix is very modular so you can create your own rig easily
[05:28] <mdz> shaolin_: gnoppix is (now) based on Ubuntu
[05:28] <shaolin_> does it have k3b?
[05:28] <linux_galore> lol doubt it
[05:29] <linux_galore> k3b is a kde app
[05:29] <mdz> if "it" is gnoppix, then no
[05:29] <shaolin_> u can run k3b on ubuntu
[05:29] <shaolin_> which is gnome
[05:29] <shaolin_> they have a gtk version
[05:29] <mdz> you can run it on gnoppix as well, but it is not installed on the live CD that you download
[05:29] <gson> hm ive got some problem with the sound in gmplayer
[05:29] <linux_galore> ?? is there a gtk based version of k3b??   news to me
[05:29] <gson> Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.Audio: no sound
[05:30] <shaolin_> dude it's on the unbuntu website
[05:30] <shaolin_> look in the howto section
[05:30] <linux_galore> shaolin_: yeah but dont you have to download all the kde base stuff first to run k3b
[05:30] <shaolin_> nope
[05:31] <shaolin_> I'm running it right now
[05:31] <shaolin_> burning 5th hope mp3's
[05:31] <linux_galore> so what widget set is k3b using then
[05:31] <enntee> I'm having some issues with rhythmbox/gstreamer on ubuntu. All my files played flawlessly on debian, but after upgrading (*grin*) to ubuntu, a lot of my songs no longer play with gstreamer. I have gstreamer0.8-mad and gstreamer0.8-lame installed, and everything plays fine with xine. Any thoughts?
[05:31] <shaolin_> gtk!
[05:31] <shaolin_> i just said "gtk version"
[05:31] <shaolin_> just look at the site
[05:31] <linux_galore> shaolin_: so the answer to my first question is "yes there is a gtk version of k3b"
[05:31] <shaolin_> if you don't believe me
[05:31] <shaolin_> www.ubuntulinux.org
[05:32] <shaolin_> omg...
[05:32] <shaolin_> i said...gtk version of k3b
[05:32] <billytwowilly> gtk version of k3b?
[05:32] <shaolin_> billy get with the program
[05:32] <shaolin_> bottom line you can run k3b on ubuntu
[05:32] <billytwowilly> heh. never hear do of it. k3b is horribly broken anyway
[05:32] <gson> someone that had some prob with the sound in gmplayer?
[05:32] <shaolin_> WHAt?!
[05:32] <shaolin_> why do you say that
[05:32] <billytwowilly> requires kcontrol, which has a file that is included in another kde package I have installed
[05:32] <shaolin_> how do you know it's not just your cdburner
[05:33] <shaolin_> or dvd burner
[05:33] <shaolin_> as the case may be
[05:33] <gson> k3b owns
[05:33] <gson> works just fine
[05:33] <shaolin_> amen
[05:33] <billytwowilly> When apt tries install kcontrol it fails because it can't overwrite the file
[05:33] <shaolin_> it installed on mine
[05:33] <gson> same here
[05:33] <shaolin_> no failing at all
[05:33] <billytwowilly> yah, it works, just the package is borked, or more accurately, kcontrol and another kde package is borked
[05:33] <shaolin_> kcontrol cdrdao and k3b from apt command line
[05:33] <billytwowilly> they provide the same file..
[05:34] <gson> shaolin_ do you use gmplayer?
[05:34] <mdz> there is no gtk port of k3b as far as I am aware
[05:34] <shaolin_> yeah
[05:34] <shaolin_> it doesn't even come up
[05:34] <mdz> however, you can install the usual KDE version of k3b on Ubuntu
[05:34] <gson> no problem with the sound?
[05:34] <shaolin_> but the mozillamplayer plug in works
[05:34] <shaolin_> and so does xmms
[05:34] <gson> jupp
[05:34] <shaolin_> sound works
[05:34] <gson> xmms works fine and everything else, just gmplayer that wont work:/
[05:34] <billytwowilly> shaolin_,  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/fileshareset', which is also in package kdelibs-bin
[05:35] <shaolin_> but i think a skin or something isn't working
[05:35] <billytwowilly> shaolin_, dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[05:35] <mdz> billytwowilly: warty or hoary?
[05:35] <shaolin_> billy i'm saying mine worked
[05:35] <billytwowilly> mdz, it happened in both. I'm currently running hoary
[05:35] <gson> oh well, its 05.40 here so iam off to bed
[05:35] <shaolin_> I just burned my friend a dvd yesterday
[05:35] <billytwowilly> shaolin_, yah, k3b works fine, it's the package deps that are borked.
[05:35] <shaolin_> i could see that
[05:36] <shaolin_> I've never used kde in my life
[05:36] <shaolin_> aside from casual knoppix use
[05:36] <billytwowilly> kde rocks
[05:36] <linux_galore> hmm cant find any gtk version of kde listed anywere all QT based
[05:36] <shaolin_> but i stay on commandline
[05:36] <billytwowilly> It's better than gnome in so many ways, then again gnome is better than kde in so many ways as well.
[05:36] <shaolin_> it's just preference
[05:36] <shaolin_> I'm not a kde hater or anything
[05:36] <shaolin_> I'm just not use to it
[05:36] <shaolin_> plus it's not totally free
[05:36] <linux_galore> gtk based version of k3b sorry
[05:36] <shaolin_> and I believe in free software
[05:37] <linux_galore> for starters k3b is c++
[05:37] <billytwowilly> kde is totally free. It uses the gpld version of QT
[05:37] <shaolin_> ok you must not know what gtk and qt are
[05:37] <shaolin_> if you're citing the LANGUAGE it's written in
[05:37] <shaolin_> they use some xfree remanants
[05:37] <shaolin_> which are not totaly free
[05:38] <linux_galore> shaolin_: you just told me there is a gtk version of k3b but k3b is all QT and c++
[05:38] <billytwowilly> xfree remnants in kde?
[05:39] <linux_galore> shaolin_: also k3b used kmfclient and you need kde base for that
[05:39] <linux_galore> uses
[05:40] <linux_galore> <-- is on the k3b home page
[05:40] <epod> k3b also doesn't work properly with 2.6.8
[05:41] <linux_galore> epod: thats not k3b fault thats a kernel bug thats why you use 2.6.8-1
[05:41] <epod> linux_galore, bug still exists in 2.6.8-1.
[05:41] <GotD0t> i know ive asked it a million times... but is it possible to get 3d acceleration working in hoary?
[05:41] <linux_galore> epod: not on my machine it doesnt
[05:42] <epod> LucidVisions, it looks like crap in gnome unless you somehow make it use your GTK theme
[05:42] <LucidVisions> epod: its cool,im using kde
[05:42] <Gmail> hey how do a format a usb thumd i got a guy comig soon wanting me to do it for him
[05:42] <epod> LucidVisions, then it'll look fine :)
[05:42] <linux_galore> epod: use the gtk-kde tool that maps themes to different apps
[05:43] <GotD0t> gmail: why did you offer to format it, if you didnt know how to in the first place?
[05:43] <linux_galore> epod: you can map your local gnome theme to kde apps
[05:43] <linux_galore> epod: and vice versa now
[05:43] <epod> linux_galore, hm, cool.  Got a url with instructions on that?
[05:44] <linux_galore> epod: last I saw it was on both these sites http://www.kde-look.org and http://www.kde-apps.org
[05:44] <linux_galore> I never used it because Im just too plain lazy
[05:47] <Gmail> GotD0t: i didn't offer he made me too because i installed linux on hisnew system
[05:48] <macewan> cool, just installed dashboard :)
[05:48] <epod> Gmail, mkefs
[05:48] <epod> mkfs.. something like that
[05:49] <linux_galore> epod: the apps called  gtk-qt
[05:49] <linux_galore> lets you intergarte qt/gtk themes so apps all look the same
[05:50] <LucidVisions> linux_galore: your a life saver,,ive been searching for that app for 2 hours..
[05:51] <GotD0t> gmail... just do man mkfs its fairly simple
[05:53] <linux_galore> heres what I found on gtk-qt -> http://www.kde-look.org/content/search.php?PHPSESSID=9402384e020777f8b464dcfbb66d8dcf
[05:53] <linux_galore> few odds and ends
[05:53] <linux_galore> slashdot also did an article about it early this year
[05:54] <Faustus> any of you guys know about the "temporary failure in name resolution"  when booting and trying to synchonisw time?
[05:55] <linux_galore> hmm although gtk-qt is the wrong app you need  qt-gtk really
[05:56] <LucidVisions> both would be good a,,i just installed this,http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/gtk-qt,so everything would be fluid
[05:59] <LucidVisions> im lame,,i need to learn how to post up a proper link,sorry wont happen again
[05:59] <linux_galore> looks ok here
[06:00] <linux_galore> seems theres a missing app there something that changes QT apps into GTK because they already have something for the other way around
[06:00] <linux_galore> theme wise
[06:01] <LucidVisions> true..
[06:01] <linux_galore> cant see the Ubuntu gnome hugging folk defaulting to a QT theme so everything looks the same
[06:02] <linux_galore> unless they port the theme to QT first
[06:02] <linux_galore> from gnome
[06:03] <LucidVisions> hehe,very true.
[06:03] <linux_galore> shame really some nice tools in the kde toolbox
[06:03] <LucidVisions> most definatly
[06:04] <netsplit> If there's a problem with the kernel and it doesn't boot, how do you catch the boot messages as it scrolls by?
[06:04] <linux_galore> I can understand the freedesktop.org logic now pick the best app for a newbie and ignore were it comes from then glue it all together
[06:05] <linux_galore> Net kernel log in /var
[06:05] <linux_galore> Net or dmesg
[06:05] <netsplit> linux_galore: it doesn't boot.
[06:05] <linux_galore> Net hmm
[06:05] <netsplit> linux_galore: couldn't find init.
[06:06] <billytwowilly> knoppix boot cd then look at the logs
[06:06] <linux_galore> Net on your system is init under /
[06:06] <piero> hi
[06:06] <netsplit> billytwowilly: will it show in /var/logs?
[06:06] <netsplit> linux_galore: It boots with a different kernel, so init is there.
[06:07] <billytwowilly> netsplit, probably some log somewhere. That's a good one to start in;)
[06:08] <linux_galore> Net hmm could be the kernel hasnt got the correct fs support for your system cant mount / so cant find init
[06:08] <netsplit> linux_galore: Have you ever seen the following error:
[06:08] <netsplit> mount error 19 monitng ext3
[06:08] <netsplit> pivotroot:: pivor_root(sysroot,/sysroot/initrd) failed : 2
[06:09] <linux_galore> aaaah yes I have
[06:09] <netsplit> unmount /initrd/proc failed 2
[06:09] <netsplit> Yes?  Pray tell :)
[06:09] <linux_galore> someone reported the same bug on my LUG list a few weeks ago running ubuntu
[06:10] <linux_galore> ended up being the kernel didnt have the proper fs support for were the kernel resided
[06:10] <jazzanova__> hi
[06:10] <netsplit> linux_galore: OK, so you're suggesting the initrd was created wrong?
[06:10] <reversal> Why, when I change the root password in the terminal as root, its not the same when i log out?
[06:11] <netsplit> linux_galore: does it have anything to do with jfsutils?
[06:11] <linux_galore> Net no its fine the kernel cant read were init is on the file system .....its 100% a kernel problem
[06:11] <linux_galore> Net you using jfs ??
[06:11] <netsplit> Not that I know of.
[06:11] <linux_galore> Net jfs is a file system....didnt think Ubuntu used it
[06:12] <jazzanova__> how is ubuntu good ?
[06:12] <linux_galore> Net recompile the kernel this time make sure all the ext3/ext2 support is there
[06:12] <netsplit> linux_galore: I mean ext3 is a kernel module right?  So if it can't read a ext3 file system, the maybe it couldn't load that kernel module?
[06:12] <Gmail> i need help formatting a usb thumb
[06:13] <linux_galore> Net could be thats why I said check if everything for ext2/3 is marked
[06:13] <jazzanova__> is ubuntu rpm based ?
[06:13] <eruin> no
[06:13] <linux_galore> jazzanova__: no its debian based
[06:13] <jazzanova__> debian ?
[06:13] <eruin> yes
[06:13] <jazzanova__> cool
[06:13] <jazzanova__> so how is it different from debian ?
[06:13] <eruin> though debian/rpm arent exactly two comparable things
[06:13] <eruin> ;P
[06:14] <eruin> it aims to be userfriendly and desktop-oriented
[06:14] <linux_galore> jazzanova__: easier less clutter and to_the_point
[06:14] <linux_galore> jazzanova__: also it has a "just works" principal  ie plug in stuff and it works
[06:15] <eruin> sheesh, whats wrong with rpms now?
[06:15] <linux_galore> eruin: I have nothing against rpm's personally........I use the format all the time so dont look at me
[06:15] <jazzanova__> but does it have apt-get ?
[06:15] <eruin> and what the fsck does rpms have to do with dependancy hell?
[06:16] <reversal> thats called rpm hell
[06:16] <linux_galore> you dont get dep hell with rpm's unless you want it....
[06:16] <eruin> the package system is responsible for dependancies, not the package itself ;P
[06:16] <LucidVisions> eruin: can you honestly say that?
[06:16] <eruin> yes I can
[06:16] <reversal> problem with updating packages etc.
[06:16] <linux_galore> you can get .deb hell and .dll hell so whats new
[06:16] <eruin> exactly
[06:16] <linux_galore> reversal: urpmi = never had a dep problem in 3 years
[06:17] <eruin> I'm fed up on people bashing rpm distros when they dont have a clue what theyre talking about in the first place ;)
[06:17] <linux_galore> urpmi is to rpm as apt-get is to .deb  the commands are also very similar
[06:17] <reversal> red hat was my first linux distro and i just hated the rpm
[06:18] <eruin> rpms ARE inferior to debs, BUT theres nothing wrong with them either, and theyre definately not responsible for your "rpm-hell"
[06:18] <eruin> thats because theyd idnt have a package manager then, lol
[06:18] <reversal> fedora, im sorry.
[06:18] <reversal> core 2
[06:18] <eruin> oh, please do tell me how you managed to get into dependancy hell on fedora with yum
[06:19] <linux_galore> usually you find people who get dep problems are when people try to update from a unstable ftp branch or when they download an rpm at random......Ive done all the bad things in the past....these days I just use urpmi for my rpm needs total no brainer
[06:19] <reversal> Anyway, with apt, how do you get it to update a program speficially, like firefox?
[06:19] <reversal> because i didnt use yum
[06:19] <encryptio> apt-get upgrade firefox
[06:19] <eruin> well there you have it
[06:19] <eruin> usererror as always
[06:19] <eruin> reversal: apt-get upgrade firefox ?
[06:20] <encryptio> :P
[06:20] <reversal> i guess my sources.lst isnt set up
[06:20] <eruin> no wonder you're getting into trouble ;P
[06:20] <reversal> what shold be in there?
[06:21] <encryptio> is there a new version in the repository?
[06:21] <netsplit> linux_galore: will you please ls -l /dev/loop* for me?  I'm missing those device nodes.
[06:21] <reversal> no
[06:21] <reversal> .9
[06:21] <encryptio> then you can't upgrade it
[06:21] <netsplit> linux_galore: Never mind.
[06:21] <eruin> err, apt-get upgrade mozilla-firefox
[06:21] <linux_galore> lol
[06:21] <reversal> right but arent there different repositories
[06:21] <reversal> yeah i know that eruin :p
[06:21] <netsplit> linux_galore: I can copy it another parititon.
[06:22] <linux_galore> Net couldnt anyway Im running my own distro
[06:22] <eruin> latest is 1.0-2ubuntu3
[06:22] <eruin> and firefox is in base afaik
[06:22] <LucidVisions> eruin: tell me you have never had urpmi do an unintentional rollback?
[06:22] <eruin> LucidVisions: never ever used urpmi
[06:22] <eruin> thats mandrake afaik
[06:22] <encryptio> well, try upgrading mozilla-firefox instead
[06:22] <LucidVisions> then what were you ranting about?
[06:22] <eruin> I'm redhat->debian->gentoo->fedora->ubuntu
[06:22] <reversal> So what should I add to my sources.lst to include the latest packages? ive already apt-get upgraded and updated
[06:22] <linux_galore> yeah urpmi is mandrake but also has been ported to fedora
[06:23] <reversal> yeah it says its the latest version
[06:23] <eruin> LucidVisions: I havent said squat about urpmi
[06:23] <encryptio> reversal: try synaptic for starters.
[06:23] <eruin> nobody in their right mind would use urpmi for fedora ;)
[06:24] <eruin> not as bad as this guy I saw earlier using yum+rpm on ubuntu :P
[06:24] <linux_galore> eruin: why not.......all the really neat codecs missing in Fedora are freely available to urpmi thanks to the mandrake community
[06:24] <encryptio> reversal: then (if you absolutely MUST have this app and wish to be unsupported officially) add hoary to your sources.list. i've done that and fucked my install twice, now i know what to avoid when going through that
[06:24] <reversal> in synaptic i cant do an update all i can dois remove
[06:24] <eruin> linux_galore: that depends on your SOURCES, lol
[06:24] <eruin> add the livna repository to your yum.conf and voila.
[06:24] <reversal> ive done it with debian before
[06:25] <reversal> and worked fine
[06:25] <eruin> the package manager doesnt decide which packages you have access too
[06:25] <eruin> to*
[06:25] <encryptio> debian's different, it's much closer to warty.
[06:25] <reversal> i have warty
[06:25] <encryptio> hoary is getting further away by the minute
[06:26] <linux_galore> eruin: look at the packages here and cry every one of them missing on fedora's server -> ftp://ftp.easynet.fr/plf/mandrake/10.0
[06:26] <linux_galore> plf = Penguin Liberation Foundation
[06:26] <eruin> linux_galore: all of which are available through 3rd party fedora repositories for yum
[06:26] <eruin> what's your point?
[06:27] <eruin> that's no official mandrake repository either
[06:27] <linux_galore> eruin: so there are east euro yum repositories
[06:27] <eruin> no, there are non-corporate-associated repositories
[06:27] <linux_galore> eruin: found that link from mandrake home help site lol
[06:28] <eruin> point is, a corporation based in the shitty US cant supply these packages due to an idiotic legal system
[06:28] <linux_galore> eruin: doubt anyone would put their company name to those sites lol suicide
[06:28] <eruin> linux_galore: same story with universe/multiverse/marillat
[06:28] <reversal> more importantly though, i can change my root passwordwhen i go to users and groups, and then i can login as root in the terminal and it works fine, but when i log out and then try and log in as root, it doesnt keep the new password
[06:28] <eruin> reversal: read the wiki about rootsudo
[06:28] <linux_galore> eruin: need to setup a ubuntu plf organisation  in eastern europe
[06:29] <eruin> .fr is hardly eastern europe
[06:29] <Gmail> is there any book for howto use gnome/ubuntu?
[06:29] <linux_galore> eruin: no not in that case.....Im suprised really the french are usually very anal
[06:29] <Gmail> or printable docs
[06:29] <GotD0t> Gmail im sure there isn't a book on ubuntu just quite yet... but im certain there are a million on gnome
[06:29] <eruin> linux_galore: nah, not really
[06:30] <eruin> theyre part of liberal europe
[06:30] <eruin> anal -> britain
[06:30] <eruin> usa-copycats
[06:30] <linux_galore> eruin: well under French law ssh is illegal
[06:30] <eruin> oh?
[06:30] <eruin> on what grounds?
[06:31] <linux_galore> yes the french have a strict ban on crypto were the gov doesnt have free access
[06:31] <netsplit> French people don't use ssh?
[06:31] <eruin> does mandrake seriously optimize their packages for i586?
[06:31] <eruin> speak to me if you want _REAL_ crypto
[06:31] <GotD0t> on the grounds that anything that is encrypted MUST be anti-governmen t
[06:31] <linux_galore> eruin: yes and no in the new stuff there is i686 stuff creeping in
[06:31] <eruin> my dirty hands handle amst1152, aka top secret nato crypto ;>
[06:32] <eruin> or, err, top secret national, secret nato
[06:32] <eruin> cosmic top secret I will never get my hands on ;P
[06:33] <linux_galore> is ubuntu all i386 or is it a mixed bag
[06:33] <GotD0t> linux_galore, i use the 686 kernel
[06:33] <eruin> I use the k7 kernel
[06:34] <Agrajag> the userland programs are all i386
[06:34] <linux_galore> yeah Im using the i686smp kernel jdub pointed out to me
[06:34] <linux_galore> works pretty well
[06:35] <eruin> I'd like kernel, glibc, gcc, etc to be more optimized
[06:35] <eruin> no point in supporting all i386-class computers on a desktop distro
[06:35] <LucidVisions> eruin: you seem to hate americans,english,french, i bet your russian
[06:35] <netsplit> I use the AMD64 port of ubuntu, so everything is 64 bit.
[06:35] <eruin> I dont hate any of the above
[06:35] <LucidVisions> why so bitter
[06:35] <netsplit> $ file /bin/ls
[06:35] <netsplit> /bin/ls: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[06:35] <netsplit> For example.
[06:36] <linux_galore> I would love to see a distro that asks you ig you want to build a kernel and your base gcc libs for your machine as part of the install then just uses the normal binaries from there on
[06:36] <calc> hello
[06:36] <linux_galore> if*
[06:36] <eruin> I like the french although their language is crap, I like brits since I am one myself, I like americans but would rather see their government killed in a terrorist attack, etc
[06:36] <GotD0t> thats nice netsplit
[06:36] <LucidVisions> ah,,i see
[06:36] <LucidVisions> very well
[06:36] <linux_galore> lol
[06:36] <eruin> so there you go, no bitterness ;>
[06:36] <linux_galore> very harsh opinion
[06:37] <billytwowilly> french is a dead language. The number of people using it has stagnated and is now in decline
[06:37] <reversal> alright got sudo down.
[06:37] <eruin> billytwowilly: hopefully it will die silently
[06:37] <GotD0t> billytwowilly, thats because all the french are dying.
[06:37] <eruin> along witht their cooking cuisine
[06:37] <billytwowilly> It's because the french youth are using english more and more
[06:37] <eruin> I mean, calling snails a delicacy, sheesh
[06:37] <netsplit> What about French-Canadians?  Also a dead people?
[06:37] <linux_galore> lol english dont have the best cousine either all starch
[06:37] <CRBVegas> Hey there.
[06:37] <reversal> When  i installed ubuntu, grub didnt include my windows partition, but i mounted it and can view all my files when im in ubuntu, how can i add it to my menu.lst?
[06:37] <GotD0t> billytwowilly, of course... the french all hate americans... but they love american culture
[06:37] <billytwowilly> snails are good you uncouth redneck;)
[06:37] <eruin> linux_galore: thankfully I dont live in britain, but in norway ;)
[06:38] <CRBVegas> GUESS WHAT?!
[06:38] <CRBVegas> i need help.
[06:38] <LucidVisions> netsplit: good point
[06:38] <billytwowilly> hehe;)
[06:38] <linux_galore> eruin: very healthy lots of seafood
[06:38] <billytwowilly> CRBVegas, ask your question.. maybe we can help you
[06:38] <eruin> linux_galore: seafood isnt good for you, that's just nasty norwegian propaganda
[06:38] <Gmail> is there any book for howto use gnome/ubuntu?
[06:38] <Gmail> or printable docs
[06:38] <linux_galore> eruin: lol
[06:39] <GotD0t> Gmail like i said earlier... im sure there are not any books on ubuntu just quite yet... and there are a MILLION books out for gnome
[06:39] <CRBVegas> i need a linuxian - english translater, can anyone help?
[06:39] <GotD0t> Gmail of course you probably blocked me because you're retarded
[06:40] <eruin> true
[06:40] <reversal> anyone?
[06:40] <Gmail> GotD0t: what
[06:40] <linux_galore> actually wouldnt a good debian/gnome book be ok...or even better get something like the LPIC Bible By Hungry Minds"   that covers everything including apt
[06:40] <Gmail> GotD0t: i ment online books
[06:40] <eruin> I'd never read it ;)
[06:40] <GotD0t> Gmail the same still applys im sure
[06:40] <eruin> that's about as blasphemic as reading the manual for your new gadget
[06:41] <linux_galore> actually the LPIC bible can be downloaded online.....
[06:41] <CRBVegas> this may sound kind of basic...  but i don't know what this means: You don't have SMB support installed. Please install SMB support in the system to enable file sharing in Windows networks
[06:41] <CRBVegas> i just moved from windows.
[06:41] <eruin> apt-get install samba
[06:41] <eruin> er, sudo apt-get install samba
[06:41] <linux_galore> lol
[06:41] <eruin> that's the english translation
[06:41] <CRBVegas> get samba
[06:41] <billytwowilly> that sudo thing pisses me off.
[06:42] <reversal> yeah
[06:42] <reversal> :/
[06:42] <eruin> then turn it off
[06:42] <billytwowilly> I did;)
[06:42] <CRBVegas> i checked there website, and im not sure if that is good for this distro of linux
[06:42] <eruin> or sudo su
[06:42] <LucidVisions> or make a root password
[06:42] <eruin> whatever ;)
[06:42] <billytwowilly> I did that as well;)
[06:42] <Gmail> GotD0t: a small howto
[06:42] <CRBVegas> there was not compiled binaries.. (am i making sence?)  for ubuntu
[06:42] <s0cks> There is no root?
[06:42] <Gmail> for gnome 2.8
[06:42] <eruin> CRBVegas: open a terminal
[06:42] <LucidVisions> sudo passwd root
[06:42] <LucidVisions> and walla
[06:43] <eruin> enter "sudo apt-get install samba"
[06:43] <reversal> can anyone help me with my grub problem?
[06:43] <CRBVegas> ok
[06:43] <LucidVisions> make a root password
[06:43] <eruin> and stop looking at silly websites
[06:43] <s0cks> Gmail : What OS are you on?
[06:43] <eruin> websites lie.
[06:43] <GotD0t> Gmail you should try this new fangled website called google.com, its really helpful... you give it a few words and it will give you a list of websites (perhaps you've heard of those) that has information that pertains to what words you gave it
[06:43] <CRBVegas> how do i open a terminal
[06:43] <linux_galore> might want to also install "swat" for samba......why make life hard when you have swat to make samba admin a no brainer
[06:44] <eruin> GotD0t: I think what you're trying to say is http://google.endofinternet.net/
[06:44] <eruin> CRBVegas: are you in gnome?
[06:44] <eruin> if so, right click the desktop, select open terminal
[06:44] <Gmail> s0cks: wtf
[06:44] <CRBVegas> i just now, for the very first time am running linux... the ubuntu distro that i just got in the mail... i dont know what the hell im doing
[06:44] <GotD0t> oh sorry eruin... i believe you're correct
[06:44] <Gmail> s0cks: my friend wants a book
[06:45] <s0cks> Gmail : JW
[06:45] <eruin> CRBVegas: well, we all feel that way at some point ;P
[06:45] <adoyretsamon> CRBVegas, congrats
[06:45] <linux_galore> CRBVegas: so you have done the install right
[06:45] <Gmail> GotD0t: heh
[06:45] <CRBVegas> thanks man
[06:45] <CRBVegas> appreciate it
[06:45] <s0cks> Gmail : Do you take offence to that?
[06:45] <CRBVegas> its really clean and good looking
[06:45] <CRBVegas> so anyways,
[06:45] <CRBVegas> got to the termindal
[06:45] <CRBVegas> er
[06:45] <CRBVegas> terminal
[06:46] <CRBVegas> would this be the equivalent of a dos-prompt?
[06:46] <eruin> yeah
[06:46] <CRBVegas> ok
[06:46] <linux_galore> Cr on steroids yes
[06:46] <eruin> only _ALOT_ more powerful
[06:46] <CRBVegas> cool
[06:46] <s0cks> terminal  = command prompt
[06:46] <s0cks> or console
[06:46] <CRBVegas> i see.
[06:46] <CRBVegas> alright
[06:46] <s0cks> depending on who you tlak to
[06:46] <eruin> CRBVegas: same thing you get if you press CTRL+ALT+F1
[06:46] <linux_galore> or plain cli
[06:46] <CRBVegas> so this is my new CP: now known as the terminal
[06:46] <CRBVegas> alright
[06:46] <eruin> CRBVegas: to get back from that, press ALT+7
[06:47] <CRBVegas> ?
[06:47] <CRBVegas> does nothing
[06:47] <eruin> try pressing ctrl+alt+f1... takes you to a terminal
[06:47] <Gmail> google gives me crappy answers
[06:47] <linux_galore> CRBVegas: yep a terminal allows you to quicly admin things on the system you can also use the menu system
[06:47] <Gmail> http://www.google.com.au/search?q=gnome+2.8+%2B+book&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
[06:47] <eruin> pressing alt+7 will get you back into X
[06:47] <s0cks> Gmail : You give me crappy answers
[06:47] <GotD0t> Gmail: maybe you should try asking the proper question
[06:48] <Seq> im noticing metacity tends to pop up new windows out of focus, does anybody know if there is a preference to change this behaviour?
[06:48] <GotD0t> Seq you using hoary? because that was irritating me as well
[06:48] <eruin> CRBVegas: ah, yeah, another thing you'd probably like to look at (to avoid using the terminal for now) is the "computer" menu at top... select that, then goto system configuration -> synaptic
[06:48] <jeronim_> handy hint: do NOT move /etc/hosts out of the way before putting a new one there, because then sudo won't work and you're screwed
[06:48] <Seq> GotD0t: i am
[06:48] <Gmail> GotD0t: i am refering to what we said some lines up
[06:48] <eruin> CRBVegas: that's a nice searchable GUI interface for apt-get ;)
[06:49] <s0cks> Gmail : What OS are you running
[06:49] <s0cks> ?
[06:49] <eruin> (and I hope the poor guy isnt stuck in tty1 now ;)
[06:49] <GotD0t> Seq: well then im sure there is an option to change that
[06:49] <Seq> GotD0t: yeah, im looking through with the gconf-editor, but i didnt see anything that jumps out at me
[06:50] <linux_galore> eruin: lol bet the guy is stuck in the terminal going wtf how do i get out of this and cant see what your typing.....
[06:50] <eruin> uh-huh :P
[06:50] <CRBVegas> HOLY SHIT
[06:50] <CRBVegas> i thought i got lossed
[06:50] <GotD0t> Seq if oyu find something let me know
[06:50] <adoyretsamon> lol
[06:50] <CRBVegas> excuse the language
[06:50] <eruin> lool
[06:50] <CRBVegas> alright
[06:50] <CRBVegas> SO ALT F7 TAKES ME OUT OF HELL.
[06:50] <eruin> haha
[06:50] <CRBVegas> remember that
[06:51] <eruin> correct, sir
[06:51] <linux_galore> CRBVegas:  ctrl alt F7
[06:51] <eruin> nah, not if he's already in console
[06:51] <linux_galore> aah
[06:51] <Gmail> s0cks: ubuntu
[06:51] <eruin> ctrl is needed in x only ;)
[06:51] <CRBVegas> alright
[06:51] <CRBVegas> so anyways about my:::::   You don't have SMB support installed. Please install SMB support in the system to enable file sharing in Windows networks
[06:51] <Gmail> s0cks: i am having know problem i know howto use cli
[06:52] <eruin> CRBVegas: yeah, did you install samba yet?
[06:52] <eruin> CRBVegas: using that command I gave you earlier
[06:52] <Seq> CRBVegas: yeah, actual consoles are hell. i dont know how people lived before they could tile six xterms across the screen
[06:52] <CRBVegas> i dont know anything about that...
[06:52] <Gmail> i just want a book/howto for my friend for gnome 2.8
[06:52] <linux_galore> eruin: dos ubuntu have swat intergrated into the package
[06:52] <linux_galore> does*
[06:52] <GotD0t> Seq amen to that
[06:52] <CRBVegas> alright
[06:52] <eruin> lol seq
[06:52] <CRBVegas> the command.... what was it
[06:52] <eruin> sudo apt-get install samba
[06:52] <eruin> then you'll have to type your password
[06:53] <GotD0t> Seq six terms across two screens is how i usually end up
[06:53] <linux_galore> eruin: might want to get him to install swat too
[06:53] <eruin> or, you could check the top computer menu, goto system config, run synaptic ;)
[06:53] <CRBVegas> its downloading something
[06:53] <eruin> linux_galore: swat is pure evil
[06:53] <eruin> it eats resources like candy
[06:53] <linux_galore> eruin: for newbies its a life saver and its on the official samba home page
[06:54] <eruin> linux_galore: shares-admin in hoary is the real lifesaver ;)
[06:54] <linux_galore> eruin: you dont need to run swat 24/7 lol
[06:54] <Seq> GotD0t: i usually end up with two columns of terminals, one for each of my servers :p
[06:54] <Seq> GotD0t: when i actually have to touch them, that is
[06:54] <CRBVegas> jeez
[06:54] <CRBVegas> ok
[06:54] <eruin> CRBVegas: yeah, after that's finished and installed, you should be able to browse your windows netowrk
[06:54] <CRBVegas> now for my second question
[06:55] <Gmail> GotD0t: look at these crap resolts http://www.google.com.au/search?q=howto+use+gnome+2.8&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
[06:55] <CRBVegas> yeah, i can sort of
[06:55] <GotD0t> i never could figure out samba... decided to go the easy way and transfer files using SCP and share printers through IPP/Cups
[06:55] <Gmail> the are so shitty
[06:55] <CRBVegas> i'll have to play with it
[06:55] <CRBVegas> BUT THANKS
[06:55] <CRBVegas> seriously
[06:55] <eruin> ;>
[06:55] <eruin> 7am
[06:55] <eruin> I got home at 5
[06:55] <CRBVegas> how do i get my freaking printer to work, and be shared.
[06:55] <CRBVegas> to windows computers
[06:55] <eruin> that means I've been here for two hours playing freeciv and sitting in here, sheesh
[06:55] <GotD0t> Gmail: then ask someone a specific question and maybe you'll get an answer
[06:55] <linux_galore> GotD0t: or use sftp://ip_number   thats what I used now Im used apache and webdav
[06:55] <linux_galore> using*
[06:55] <eruin> CRBVegas: oh, I'm the wrong person to ask about that ;D
[06:55] <CRBVegas> gmail?
[06:56] <GotD0t> CBRVegas all you want is to let a windows computer use a printer attached to your linux box?
[06:56] <Gmail> http://www.gnome.org/learn/
[06:56] <Gmail> GotD0t: thats what i was looking for
[06:56] <GotD0t> CBRVegas: if thast the case then what version of windows do you use
[06:56] <eruin> CRBVegas: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetworkPrintingFromWin2K/view?searchterm=printer
[06:57] <eruin> that might be an interesting read
[06:57] <CRBVegas> my other two computers are using windows xp
[06:57] <CRBVegas> and i just bought a computer at frys for 99 dollars for the black friday special
[06:57] <GotD0t> CRBVegas, then i would use IPP and CUPS... its quite simple actually
[06:57] <CRBVegas> so anyways, i loaded linux onto it
[06:58] <uman> and how did it go ?
[06:58] <CRBVegas> Cups?
[06:58] <CRBVegas> IPP
[06:58] <CRBVegas> you pee in cups?
[06:58] <socomm> Common Unix Printing System.
[06:58] <CRBVegas> ?
[06:58] <CRBVegas> heh.
[06:58] <GotD0t> CRBVegas, haha sorry... IPP is internet printing protocol
[06:59] <GotD0t> CRBVegas, i think all windows 98 and up natively support it...
[06:59] <socomm> Don't most of the cheapo PC's from Fry's come with Linux pre-installed?
[06:59] <CRBVegas> yeah, but i cant even get my printer installed locally
[06:59] <CRBVegas> to my linux box
[06:59] <eruin> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba   <- also worth a read
[06:59] <GotD0t> CRBVegas, really?
[06:59] <socomm> A Korean distro, if I'm not mistaken.
[06:59] <CRBVegas> yeah, becuase im unsmart
[07:00] <linux_galore> CRBVegas: whats the printer make/model
[07:00] <CRBVegas> canon i560
[07:00] <CRBVegas> just an inkjet
[07:01] <linux_galore> aack @ canon
[07:01] <CRBVegas> excuse me
[07:01] <eruin> don't you just love how friendly linux users are when somebody needs help?
[07:01] <CRBVegas> i560s
[07:01] <socomm> CRBVegas: http://www.linuxprinting.org
[07:01] <CRBVegas> seriously
[07:01] <CRBVegas> WOW
[07:01] <CRBVegas> THEY HAVE A WEBSITE.
[07:01] <GotD0t> CRBVegas, all things linux has a website
[07:01] <GotD0t> err
[07:02] <Micksa> websites cost a dollar. you'd expect them to have a website these days.
[07:02] <GotD0t> dont mind the horrible grammatical errors in that sentence
[07:02] <Micksa> you won't find a web site for "having sex with goats on fire"
[07:02] <Micksa> because you need to figure out which kind of goat first
[07:02] <socomm> CRBVegas: You're printer may not be supported under UNIX/UNIX-Like OSes.
[07:02] <Micksa> then find the website for *that*
[07:02] <LucidVisions> 1$ usd=crap
[07:02] <Micksa> Lucid: I was talking aboout $1AU :)
[07:02] <calamari> hi
[07:03] <Micksa> er, which is slightly more crap
[07:03] <socomm> CRBVegas: I had a Canon printer way back and the support was not too hot.
[07:03] <Micksa> but you get the idea
[07:03] <LucidVisions> Ahh,,very well
[07:03] <linux_galore> no bjc 5XX series printers suported in Linux ouch
[07:03] <calamari> is there a way to find out which package a certain library is in, for example: libqt.so.2
[07:03] <CRBVegas> doh
[07:03] <socomm> Yes the US Dollar == stinky pile of poop.
[07:03] <CRBVegas> what if my printer isnt listed
[07:03] <CRBVegas> am i sol?
[07:03] <LucidVisions> unfourtanatly
[07:03] <linux_galore> yeah canon have a pretty crappy suport list when it comes to Linux I usually stick to HP
[07:04] <CRBVegas> man, that sucks
[07:04] <socomm> CRBVegas: You can use drivers for the printer that is most like yours.
[07:04] <uman> well, check next time  BEFORE buying a printer
[07:04] <LucidVisions> i have a cannon ip1500,nogo
[07:04] <CRBVegas> jeeez.....  well i didnt get linux until a year after my printer so....
[07:04] <CRBVegas> i mean, next time i will....
[07:04] <calamari> my Brother printer prints, but for some reason linux doesn't detect a bottom margin so it prints off the end of the page! hehe
[07:04] <linux_galore> yeah there are though some not so legal cannon drivers running around....reason being last guy who made a canon driver got sued by canon
[07:04] <uman> CRBVegas, write to canon then and complain
[07:04] <CRBVegas> i cant believe how well this thing works.
[07:05] <socomm> CRBVegas: Most of the cheap stuff comes with MS only support.
[07:05] <uman> linux_galore, iirc there's one on their japanese website
[07:05] <uman> but I don't read japanese
[07:05] <CRBVegas> alright
[07:05] <CRBVegas> so i want to fiddle around with my new linux
[07:05] <CRBVegas> and install some programs
[07:05] <CRBVegas> where do i go
[07:05] <socomm> CRBVegas: Yeah also write cannon, ask them to include linux support or something.
[07:05] <CRBVegas> and what do i do
[07:05] <CRBVegas> i should....
[07:06] <CRBVegas> fuckers....
[07:06] <linux_galore> CRBVegas: usually you find 98% of things can be worked around in Linux thats the nature of the beast
[07:06] <CRBVegas> why dont they make them i wonder
[07:06] <socomm> CRBVegas: Open a terminal and type `sudo synaptic'
[07:06] <LucidVisions> uman: bablefish will translate http://babelfish.altavista.com/
[07:06] <uman> I'm not touching canon printers with a 30 foot pole
[07:06] <linux_galore> uman: lol cant agree more with that one
[07:07] <uman> you can get cheap lasers with linux support now... was it samsung ?
[07:07] <linux_galore> also canon refils are a rippoff...cold dust costs less than canon toner
[07:07] <linux_galore> gold*
[07:07] <stuNNed> hp has open source project many printers supported...hpijs
[07:07] <uman> I think it's such a shame they fill the cartridges that come with the printer only a third or so
[07:07] <CRBVegas> cool
[07:07] <uman> very rude
[07:07] <linux_galore> uman: I usually just grab a second hand HP industrial printer
[07:08] <uman> yeah, HPs work well, good ol postscript
[07:08] <linux_galore> uman: or just grab a 4/5/6L printer they work fine
[07:08] <uman> and I've got the service manuals for them ,too ,hehehe
[07:08] <socomm> linux_galore: that'st not a bad idea.
[07:08] <calc> is dma force disabled on ubuntu warty for some reason?
[07:08] <socomm> linux_galore: how much does a pre-used HP printer go for?
[07:09] <calc> i tried turning it on a 120gb drive and it failed
[07:09] <zwanem> calc, wit hwhat?
[07:09] <uman> socomm, summink like $A100
[07:09] <linux_galore> socomm: well I got a 5L with a spare toner for $15
[07:09] <calc> /dev/hdc:
[07:09] <calc>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[07:09] <calc>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[07:09] <socomm> linux_galore: nice.
[07:09] <uman> which is like $65 US or such >
[07:09] <linux_galore> lol
[07:09] <uman> linux_galore, nice
[07:09] <socomm> calamari: you need to enable that in your kernel.
[07:09] <linux_galore> uman: no AUD$15 is like US$12
[07:10] <uman> I found the 4s are a bit low on mem
[07:10] <socomm> Whoops calc, not calamari.
[07:10] <uman> ah, no, that was a canon
[07:10] <zwanem> calc, you shouldnt really be doing that
[07:10] <zwanem> calc, hdparm isn't user serviceable parts
[07:10] <linux_galore> uman: 5L you can get for a dime a dozen usually the paper feeder roller isnt working just clean it with some alcohol and its good as new
[07:10] <socomm> Isn't DMA sort of dangerous?
[07:11] <calc> zwanem: i'm a dd i've used hdparm for 10 years :)
[07:11] <zwanem> socomm, no, it's safer than no DMA
[07:11] <zwanem> calc, doesnt matter
[07:11] <calc> i'm trying to figure out why dma is disabled
[07:11] <zwanem> calc, things change, hdparm isn't safe
[07:11] <calc> older kernels didn't even enable dma by default
[07:11] <zwanem> calc, check dmesg
[07:11] <zwanem> calc, yes, that's older kernels
[07:11] <zwanem> things change
[07:11] <calc> there is no mention of dma in dmesg already checked it
[07:11] <zwanem> calc, do you have a chipset driver?
[07:11] <potato> linux_galore, isopropyl is good
[07:12] <potato> it doesn't dry out the rubber much
[07:12] <linux_galore> potato: even better
[07:12] <calc> can't tell
[07:12] <zwanem> lsmod doesnt always help
[07:12] <zwanem> the driver may be built in
[07:12] <zwanem> look for something akin to the following;
[07:12] <linux_galore> you can now get HP 6/L laser printers second hand cheap too
[07:13] <zwanem> ICH3: chipset revision 2
[07:13] <zwanem> ICH3: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
[07:13] <zwanem>     ide0: BM-DMA at 0x6c60-0x6c67, BIOS settings: hda:pio, hdb:pio