[14:34]  * wrst stares at xTEMPLARx
[14:53]  * xTEMPLARx peaks out of his box
[14:54] <xTEMPLARx> ever since lowering the system fonts of my machine here, I'm much happier with my screen :D
[14:54] <xTEMPLARx> oh and I turned my desktop icons off just for you, wrst.
[14:54] <xTEMPLARx> theyre still there, just not visible
[14:54] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[14:54] <xTEMPLARx> wish Chrome would use the window manager's borders instead of its own
[14:54] <xTEMPLARx> at least it follows the color scheme somewhat
[14:55] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i thought chrome had that option?
[14:55] <xTEMPLARx> eh?
[14:55] <xTEMPLARx> to be honest, I"ve never looked for one
[14:55] <xTEMPLARx> so I dunno
[14:56] <wrst> in kde i have it doing it its in teh options
[14:56] <wrst> *the
[14:57] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: you mean like this? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2959906/kde7.png
[14:57] <xTEMPLARx> thats chromium though
[14:57] <xTEMPLARx> is chrome the same in that regard?
[14:57] <wrst> yes it is
[14:57] <wrst> its in the settings, and curious why do you run chrome i find chromium updates come my way faster with no extra repos?
[14:58] <xTEMPLARx> last I heard chromium wasn't being as actively maintained, and chrome works fine, so no reason to NOT use it.
[14:59] <wrst> oh yeah in the ubuntu repos its not being maintained
[14:59] <wrst> i remember that last time i attempted to run ubuntu
[14:59] <wrst> another reason i've decided against that
[15:00] <wrst> you had to add a ppa and that was sad that they would rather you use a closed sourced version than the true open source version
[15:00] <xTEMPLARx> I wouldn't say that
[15:00] <xTEMPLARx> because chrome itself isn't an automatic option
[15:00] <xTEMPLARx> you have to seek it out as well
[15:00] <xTEMPLARx> its more like they'd prefer you use firefox
[15:00] <wrst> they advertise it with the installer
[15:01] <xTEMPLARx> which installer?
[15:01] <xTEMPLARx> not in the 12.10 I did at home
[15:01] <wrst> the ubuntu 12.04 isntaller did and it was on their website at one time
[15:01] <xTEMPLARx> i had to go find it
[15:01] <xTEMPLARx> it wasn't an option :\
[15:03] <wrst> http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/features/web-browsing
[15:03] <xTEMPLARx> huh
[15:03] <wrst> it was one of the things in the installer had firefox then had a pic of the chrome icon as an option
[15:03] <xTEMPLARx> i wonder if it was there if you enabled third party sources
[15:03] <xTEMPLARx> and thats why I didn't see it
[15:04] <xTEMPLARx> you have an elephant's memory, mr. wrst
[15:04] <wrst> i just remember stuff that hacks me off xTEMPLARx :)
[15:04] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[15:04] <wrst> i mean really they could push the open source version of the project and really no one would notice the difference i don't
[15:05] <xTEMPLARx> why on earth would that hack you off?
[15:05] <xTEMPLARx> you have a short fuse, methinks
[15:05] <wrst> because you would think ubuntu would use opensource and push opensource when at all possible
[15:05] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: you been talking to my wife?
[15:05] <wrst> :)
[15:05] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[15:05] <wrst> but really they use the same logo one is just blue
[15:05] <xTEMPLARx> no sir, that'd be inappropriate.  I had my wife talk to her
[15:05] <wrst> oh no they would both be mad then some how
[15:06] <xTEMPLARx> thats true
[15:06]  * xTEMPLARx rethinks his position
[15:06] <xTEMPLARx> found the option
[15:06] <xTEMPLARx> I was already using the option to use the system theme for the colors, which explains why it matched.  But now its using the same top bar too :D
[15:06] <wrst> see my anger helped you out ;)
[15:07] <xTEMPLARx> =]
[15:07] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/chromium/
[15:08] <xTEMPLARx> archy archy archy
[15:08] <xTEMPLARx> all in the family!
[15:08] <wrst> if they can do it ubuntu could!
[15:08] <wrst> and I'm not wanting to go all richard stallman on it but really
[15:08] <xTEMPLARx> too late
[15:09] <xTEMPLARx> you already have RS in your nick
[15:09] <wrst> but no M :)
[15:09] <xTEMPLARx> whatever you got to say to yourself to sleep at night, man
[15:09] <wrst> ha h a
[15:10] <wrst> but i run chrome on windows at work so just call me hypocritical
[15:10]  * wrst does not want to compile software on windows
[15:10] <xTEMPLARx> no binaries available?
[15:11] <wrst> there are but they don't autuo update or didn't once upon a time
[15:12] <xTEMPLARx> always an excuse
[15:12] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[15:12] <wrst> but really i'm not an opensource zealot but just strikes me if you are ubuntu instead of adevertising the orange and yellow logo you would do the blue logo  and just put Chromium the open source project behind Google Chrome and be done
[15:13] <xTEMPLARx> I'm sure there's more of a reason behind it than simple open or closed-source
[15:13] <wrst> i'm sure probably because they just don't want to have to keep another browser and support it and thats fine
[15:13] <wrst> and i really do get it
[15:14] <wrst> but after using debian a litlte bit this week i really get frustrated with ubuntu
[15:14] <wrst> but ubuntu isn't for me so much i don't guess
[15:14] <xTEMPLARx> traitorous pig-dog!
[15:14]  * xTEMPLARx makes phone calls to arrange the firing squad.
[15:14] <wrst> ha ha well i like my ubuntu server
[15:14] <wrst> i think they are just ruining their desktop one release at a time
[15:17] <xTEMPLARx> gimme a bullet list
[15:19] <wrst> * Unity
[15:19] <wrst> that's my list
[15:19] <wrst> and as GNOME and Ubuntu get farther a part its going to be interesting, for one it looks like gnome is going to have systemd as a dependency possibly with the next realease, so lots of hacking to get it functional with upstart
[15:20] <wrst> and KDE on ubuntu is lackluster at best and pathetic at worse
[15:20] <wrst> so you don't hav ea good alternative of the full featured desktops, all that in my opinion of course
[15:20] <xTEMPLARx> due to lack of full support, since they're banking on Unity
[15:20] <wrst> which opinions are well like rear ends :)
[15:21] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: exactly so that leaves you going somewhere else or battling silly battles
[15:21] <xTEMPLARx> Okay, all of that makes sense
[15:21] <wrst> now xbuntu is probably the best of the alternate desktops but i'm not a huge xfce fan but if someone is its solid
[15:21] <wrst> again all my opinion :)
[15:22] <wrst> and some people love unity I have wanted to because i hope ubuntu is very successful but I just can't use it, it gets in the way
[15:22] <xTEMPLARx> I was the same way with gnome shell
[15:22] <xTEMPLARx> for a few minutes
[15:22] <xTEMPLARx> but with Unity, every time I try it again that same few minutes goes by and I'm still just as annoyed
[15:22] <xTEMPLARx> gnome shell grew on me quickly
[15:23] <xTEMPLARx> but, like you say, if they're fully supporting unity and gnome shell becomes a red-headed step-child
[15:23] <xTEMPLARx> still, though, the support that ubuntu has is hard to ignore
[15:23] <xTEMPLARx> i.e., lots of softwares available pre-packaged in .deb
[15:24] <wrst> yes true xTEMPLARx, i have all the same stuff with arch so its really not a big difference once you get the system set up
[15:24] <xTEMPLARx> all?
[15:25] <xTEMPLARx> I'm talking about 3rd party .debs here
[15:25] <xTEMPLARx> for example, Steam for Linux
[15:25] <wrst> its there :)
[15:25] <xTEMPLARx> don't you tell stories!
[15:26] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/steam/
[15:26] <wrst> its not 100% needless to say but its there
[15:27] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i use ubuntuone in kde on arch and it works better than it did in kubuntu when i tried it granted that was a couple years ago
[15:27] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[15:27] <xTEMPLARx> ubuntu one was something I wanted to like but dropbox wins in that regard
[15:27] <xTEMPLARx> or rather, in that arena
[15:27] <xTEMPLARx> poor choice of words there
[15:28] <xTEMPLARx> still, I did purchase an album from the ubuntu one music store
[15:28] <wrst> yes i use them both
[15:28] <wrst> dropbox is my go to and i use ubuntuone more for a backup of my documents and what not but not so much stuff i need synced
[15:29] <wrst> hello jfenn2199
[15:29] <xTEMPLARx> dropbox is just too universal to ignore it as the primary solution
[15:29] <xTEMPLARx> wb jfenn2199
[15:30] <xTEMPLARx> my worship pastor at church uses it to disseminate sheet music and such to the instrumentalists
[15:30] <xTEMPLARx> instrumentalists
[15:30] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[15:30] <xTEMPLARx> fun word
[15:31] <wrst> nice word
[15:31] <wrst> yeah i use it allt he time to send files via the public link etc, and ubuntu one works nicely crossplatform and mobile but just not as good on the integration
[15:31] <xTEMPLARx> i wish conky worked properly with gnome shell :(
[15:31] <xTEMPLARx> mobile?  is there an iOS port?
[15:31] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[15:32]  * wrst has never had the patience for conky
[15:32] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: yes there is
[15:32] <xTEMPLARx> sho nuff
[15:32] <wrst> https://one.ubuntu.com/
[15:32] <xTEMPLARx> GJ canonical!
[15:32] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i'm the one not using ubuntu here....
[15:32] <wrst> :P
[15:32] <xTEMPLARx> that didn't exist back in the day
[15:33] <xTEMPLARx> have you seen the new Nexus 4 from google?
[15:35] <wrst> yes wish i had seen it a little early i woudl have considered getting it and going the prepaid route with it
[15:35] <wrst> i love my s3 now that i have cyanogenmod on it but that would have saved me some work :)
[15:35] <xTEMPLARx> yup
[15:36] <xTEMPLARx> 299 for an unlocked phone
[15:36] <wrst> yeah that's killer
[15:36] <xTEMPLARx> and using straight talk, 45 a month for unlimited calling and internet
[15:36] <wrst> could have saved a lot of money
[15:36] <xTEMPLARx> and its a good-sized phone
[15:36] <xTEMPLARx> nice rez on the screen
[15:36] <wrst> yep
[15:36] <wrst> very
[15:36] <xTEMPLARx> its probably the first android phone I've seen that's made me think "Hrmmm... "
[15:37] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i must say the SIII is no slouch once you get the samsung ROM ditched after that its a force
[15:38] <xTEMPLARx> its amazing how the big carrier's hamstring their phones
[15:39] <wrst> well that and this is more samsung doing it, the touchwhizz interface just isn't that great
[15:39] <wrst> plus its android 4.0.4 and i'm on 4.1.2 which has google now and all the good stuff
[15:40] <xTEMPLARx> gotchya
[15:40] <xTEMPLARx> sorry, but for technology, I dig Google's direction
[15:40] <xTEMPLARx> granted, they want all mah info!
[15:41] <xTEMPLARx> but still, they make great tools
[15:44] <wrst> google wants your info, apple wants all your money, your choice :)
[15:44] <wrst> and windows... well do they make mobile devices?
[15:47] <wrst> and xTEMPLARx i thought you were an apple guy ?
[15:49] <xTEMPLARx> I love my ipad
[15:49] <xTEMPLARx> and my iphone works amazingly well
[15:50] <xTEMPLARx> so it'll be hard to convince me to go elsewhere
[15:50] <xTEMPLARx> however, I can't afford a new iphone
[15:50] <xTEMPLARx> i'm still using a 3GS
[15:50] <xTEMPLARx> which is plenty fast and still able to play current apps
[15:50] <xTEMPLARx> run*
[15:50] <wrst> i came close on an iphone but.... just couldn't see it really
[15:50] <xTEMPLARx> but for 299 for what I consider to be a micro-tablet with phone service
[15:50] <wrst> and my wifes phone is great, but glad i went the way i did
[15:50] <xTEMPLARx> that's not awful
[15:51] <xTEMPLARx> wonder if there's a version of OnSong for android
[15:51] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: my s3 is a little large but like you said its a micro tablet
[15:51] <wrst> what is onsong?
[15:51] <wrst> its not in the store
[15:52] <xTEMPLARx> http://www.onsongapp.com/
[15:52] <xTEMPLARx> no droid version
[15:52] <xTEMPLARx> i wouldn't use it on the phone anyway
[15:52] <xTEMPLARx> just the ipad
[15:53] <xTEMPLARx> so not sure why I even asked the question
[15:53] <wrst> that page turn would be nice but i pretty much do the rest with ccli, and dropbox
[15:54] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: seems like there are apps on android only that would keep you away from moving to iOS and apps on iOS that would keep you from moving to android?
[15:59] <xTEMPLARx> onsong isn't about how you distribute the songs so much as just being a digital chord chart with an amazing repository of song charts available thru it.  granted, they come from a third-party source that you have to sub to, but that's okay.  it works and I dig it
[15:59] <xTEMPLARx> but you're right on the app exclusivity side
[15:59] <xTEMPLARx> i had fun using ssh from my old iphone when I had Cydia installed on it
[16:00] <xTEMPLARx> but I felt like the phone was slow enough without asking it to do things it didn't need to try to do
[16:01] <xTEMPLARx> http://bit.ly/Szg73a  <--- hilarious.  apologies for the "S" word in it, though.
[16:03] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: yeah i use song select on my phone and have pdf's of everything on dropbox
[16:03] <xTEMPLARx> PDFs work pretty well, too, but these actually tend to run faster since they're not pdfs and having to load them
[16:03] <xTEMPLARx> think of it in terms of loading text files versus pdfs
[16:04] <xTEMPLARx> which most of the native onsong charts are (text that is)
[16:04] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i think my wife experiences that
[16:04] <xTEMPLARx> it'll load PDFs too
[16:04] <wrst> i can do sheet music if need be also
[16:04] <wrst> plus using something a little more official from ccli
[16:05] <xTEMPLARx> yeah
[16:06] <wrst> but the pedal... that's great
[16:06] <wrst> i would trade that in for the pedal i do believe
[16:06] <wrst> and i smeel somethign electrical... not good
[16:09] <xTEMPLARx> http://bit.ly/SzikM3
[16:11] <wrst> cool
[19:52] <xTEMPLARx> hehe
[19:52] <xTEMPLARx> i typed /list in my server window
[19:52] <xTEMPLARx> still going
[19:53] <Guest439> fail
[19:53] <wrst> howdy howdy
[19:53] <Ubik> and wtf it changed my nick i have no idea, lol
[20:03] <xTEMPLARx> It's crazy cool like that
[20:04] <Ubik> hah
[20:13] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  how many of you are there on here?
[20:15] <xTEMPLARx> I reckon he's left to go to Dairy Queen and enjoy him a frosty Blizzard.  Lucky dog.
[20:23] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: what do you mean?
[20:23] <xTEMPLARx> in #archlinux there's a "wesleystout" user
[20:24] <wrst> ahh yes thats on a debian server i forgot was running :)
[20:25] <wrst> i don't like archlinux i'm afraid to be in there so i use something else :)
[20:27] <xTEMPLARx> so you use your REAL name in there
[20:27] <xTEMPLARx> that makes sense
[20:27] <xTEMPLARx> XD
[20:28] <wrst> well no it doesn't xTEMPLARx reason i need to turn that server off
[20:28] <wrst> and xTEMPLARx what are you doing in #archlinux ?
[20:28] <wrst> i have never said a word in there
[20:28] <xTEMPLARx> poking around
[20:28] <xTEMPLARx> seein' what kinda room it is
[20:29] <wrst> it is an interesting "community" pretty much read the manual
[20:29] <wrst> which they have a really good manual
[20:29] <wrst> so they are really right
[20:30] <xTEMPLARx> that seems somewhat counter-community
[20:30] <wrst> yeah its not so much community
[20:30] <xTEMPLARx> like archlinux is run by former KGB agents
[20:31] <wrst> sorta
[20:32] <xTEMPLARx> hrm
[20:32] <xTEMPLARx> makes me wanna push buttons until I get kicked outa the room
[20:32] <xTEMPLARx> must...resist..urge..to troll
[20:37] <wrst> ha ha they pull the trigger fast
[20:39] <xTEMPLARx> I bet I could interject in the current discussion with something like "Ah, but I don't ever HAVE that problem because I use Unity and Unity is the best etc etc etc..."
[20:39] <xTEMPLARx> or I could ask how to install Unity on arch
[20:39] <xTEMPLARx> ooo
[20:49] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: you can
[20:50] <xTEMPLARx> sssh
[20:51] <wrst> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Unity
[20:51] <xTEMPLARx> i can't do it
[21:04] <wrst> can't do what?
[21:04] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: ^
[21:05] <xTEMPLARx> I started to pester the archlinux channel about installing unity on arch and playing dumb when they told me stuff... I was gonna start rambling about how I didn't know how to install this "ubuntu" program on arch and could somebody please just help me blah blah blah
[21:05] <xTEMPLARx> couldn't do it
[21:06] <wrst> yeah they just would have kicked you anyway
[21:07] <wrst> oh xTEMPLARx if you do !ubuntu in channel you get this link: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rbeqbj-n1Z0/Skeak1qBGyI/AAAAAAAAAeM/3k_ntrDWmOw/s1600-h/ubuntu.png
[21:07] <xTEMPLARx> rofl
[21:07] <wrst> gotta admit that is pretty good
[21:08] <xTEMPLARx> totally :D
[21:08] <wrst> i have considered isntalling unity just to see what it is like on arch
[21:08] <wrst> ubuntu one works rather nicely in arch
[22:00] <wrst> hello chris4585
[22:00] <chris4585> hey wrst
[22:00] <xTEMPLARx> night all
[22:02] <wrst> night xTEMPLARx, have a good weekendd
[22:02] <wrst> *weekend


[01:32] <mup> PR snapd#3511 opened: tests: shellcheck improvements for unit and completion tests <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3511>
[02:47] <mup> PR snapcraft#1375 opened: tests: allow to filter tests in docker <Created by elopio> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1375>
[08:13] <ppisati> guys, is there a way to use a ppa in snapcraft?
[08:19] <Chipaca> ppisati: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/how-to-add-a-custom-ppa-to-snapcraft/266/4
[08:19] <Chipaca> ppisati: short version: no
[08:19] <Chipaca> ppisati: longer version: mmmm... no
[08:19] <Chipaca> :-p
[08:24]  * ppisati cries in a corner...
[08:35] <mvo> Chipaca: fwiw, I think I found the issue with the cannot update namespace error we talked about yesterday
[08:36] <mvo> Chipaca: I think the hardest part is fixing the tests :/
[08:36] <mvo> Chipaca: anyway, I'm on it
[08:36] <mvo> I think
[08:37]  * Chipaca hugs mvo
[08:37]  * Chipaca hugs ppisati too
[08:37]  * Chipaca goes back to beating streaming json chunks into submission
[08:37] <mvo> Chipaca: enjoy ! sounds like more fun than fighting tests
[08:37] <mvo> in the heat
[08:38] <Chipaca> I cannot confirm nor deny
[08:38] <Chipaca> it's actually cooler today
[08:38] <mvo> Chipaca: ha! lawyer?
[08:38] <Chipaca> overcast
[08:38] <Chipaca> mvo: :-) (also: no)
[08:38] <mvo> Chipaca: lucky you, its blazing hot here, hottest day of the year according to the forecast
[08:49] <pstolowski> fgimenez, hey, any idea about 'jq command not found' error on travis? afaict we always install this as a dependency?
[08:50] <fgimenez> pstolowski: nope, do you have a link?
[08:51] <pstolowski> fgimenez, https://travis-ci.org/snapcore/snapd/builds/244895313?utm_source=github_status&utm_medium=notification
[08:54] <fgimenez> pstolowski: it failed on ubuntu-core, you need to install the snap for it to work there, as in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/tests/main/auto-refresh/task.yaml#L4
[08:58] <pstolowski> fgimenez, ah, thank you. let me try that
[09:07] <mup> PR snapd#3512 opened: cmd: rework how cmd.InternalToolPath() works to ensure the right tool is used <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3512>
[09:21]  * Chipaca throws hands up in despair
[09:21] <Chipaca> mvo: it was going to be the hottest day, but then it changed its mind
[09:22] <Chipaca> it went with option B, thunderstorm
[09:32]  * pedronis early lunch + errands
[09:34]  * Chipaca wishes he could select on a reader and a writer
[10:14] <mvo> Chipaca: when you had the issues with snap-update-ns, did you had a reliable way to reproduce?
[10:14] <mvo> Chipaca: or was it happening at random for you? in manual testing or in spread as well?
[10:14] <Chipaca> mvo: not in spread
[10:14] <Chipaca> mvo: it'd happen when running snapd from master without installing all the bits from master, some of the time
[10:16] <Chipaca> mvo:
[10:16] <Chipaca> 017-05-24 12:02:59 <Chipaca>   - Remove security profile for snap "http" (x1) (cannot setup mount for snap "core": cannot update mount namespace of snap "core": cannot update preserve
[10:16] <Chipaca> d namespace of snap "core": cannot update snap namespace: not implemented)
[10:16] <Chipaca> 2017-05-24 12:03:22 <zyga>      Chipaca: you are using snapd from master but the rest from package
[10:16] <Chipaca> 2017-05-24 12:03:31 <zyga>      Chipaca: just buind and install snap-update-ns
[10:16] <Chipaca> 2017-05-24 12:03:35 <Chipaca>   ah ok
[10:17] <mvo> Chipaca: ta
[11:27]  * Chipaca gives up and goes for lunch
[11:46] <mup> PR snapd#3513 opened: asserts: open up and optimize Encoder to help avoiding unnecessary copying <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3513>
[12:18] <pedronis> it seems either there's a codecov bug or there's some code with non determinstic tests resulting in non-deterministic coverage
[12:18] <pedronis> I see coverage of interfaces/sorting.go for example going up and them depending on runs
[12:18] <pedronis> s/and them/and down/
[12:51] <mvo> jdstrand: niemeyer suggests "seccomp/bpf/*.src for the source files and "seccomp/bpf/*.bin"  for the binary files in the seccomp-bpf review. if you are happy with this as well, I will make it so. WDYT?
[13:05] <Chipaca> pedronis: standup?
[13:21] <niemeyer> mvo: Can you quickly jump back in the hangout for us to cover a detail in the bpf pr?
[13:21] <mvo> niemeyer: sure, joining
[13:26] <jdstrand> mvo: I commented in the pr a moment ago
[13:27] <jdstrand> mvo: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3431#discussion_r123503280
[13:27] <mup> PR snapd#3431: interfaces: simplify snap-confine by just loading pre-generated bpf code <Critical> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3431>
[13:30] <popey> morphis: do you know when the migration of snap-xdg-open will land? I have an app which depends on external links which breaks on non-ubuntu
[13:35] <morphis> popey: I would guess 2.28
[13:38] <niemeyer> jdstrand, mvo: Replied the reply
[13:38] <niemeyer> IRC-as-a-notification-service
[13:38] <niemeyer> IaaNS
[13:38] <jdstrand> mvo: that said, I didn't think that EnsureDirState() would be cool with a dir in there, but I see the seccomp code passes a glob that does not match 'bpf', so seems ok
[13:38] <jdstrand> hehe
[13:42] <mvo> jdstrand, niemeyer: so it would be /var/lib/snapd/seccomp/bpf/*.{src,bin}  (AIUI the original suggestion in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3431#discussion_r123396337) *or* /var/lib/snapd/seccomp/profiles/bpf/*.{src,bin} ?
[13:42] <mup> PR snapd#3431: interfaces: simplify snap-confine by just loading pre-generated bpf code <Critical> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3431>
[13:43] <niemeyer> mvo: The former, /bpf/*.src/bin
[13:43] <niemeyer> Argh
[13:43] <niemeyer> .../bpf/*.{src,bin} :)
[13:43] <mvo> niemeyer: thanks
[13:43]  * mvo will make it so
[13:43] <niemeyer> mvo: Otherwise you'd have to invent a new mechanism to not remove the old files
[13:44] <niemeyer> (as EnsureDirState takes on a single glob)
[13:44] <mvo> niemeyer: yes, was wondering about this too, I'm happy that we are in agreement)
[13:48] <popey> morphis: do you know when 2.28 will be released?
[13:48] <zyga> o/
[13:48] <morphis> popey: nope
[13:49] <zyga> o/
[13:49]  * zyga waves everyone good-bye from Spain
[13:49] <zyga> see you in Poland on Friday morning
[13:49] <morphis> zyga: safe trip!
[13:49] <zyga> morphis: sorry for being absent earlier, I forgot to notify you that I'm moving
[13:49] <morphis> zyga: np
[13:49] <zyga> morphis: thank you :)
[13:49] <morphis> popey: PR is still pending https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3260
[13:49] <mup> PR snapd#3260: cmd/snap: implement userd command as replacement for snapd-xdg-open <Created by morphis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3260>
[13:51] <popey> morphis: ok, this is blocking a developer we've been talking to for some weeks now. :(
[13:51] <morphis> popey: I see
[13:52] <morphis> popey: does his snap work otherwise on other distros?
[13:52] <zyga> niemeyer, mvo, Chipaca, pedronis, fgimenez, pstolowski, cachio: see you all on Friday!!!
[13:52] <Chipaca> zyga: o/~
[13:52] <niemeyer> zyga: Have a great trip, and good luck with the move!
[13:52]  * zyga will miss spain a lot
[13:52] <popey> morphis: mostly, yes. xdg-open is the final thing blocking AIUI
[13:52] <cachio> zyga, enjoy it :)
[13:52] <zyga> niemeyer: thank you, I hope to land at home safely late after midnight
[13:52] <pstolowski> zyga, o/
[13:52] <niemeyer> morphis, popey: Will look into this today still
[13:53] <zyga> niemeyer: see you at the snandup tomorrow
[13:53] <niemeyer> zyga: o/
[13:53] <popey> it's a mail client, so it needs to do things like open file attachments
[13:53] <popey> thanks niemeyer
[13:53] <morphis> niemeyer: a code review would be nice but I need to a fix a few last things
[13:53] <niemeyer> morphis: Ah, okay, please ping me once you feel like it's ready then
[13:54] <fgimenez> zyga: enjoy and good luck! safe travels, see you soon
[13:54] <cachio> mvo, do you have the link to the snap-notify error?
[13:55] <mvo> cachio: yes, sorry<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:55] <cachio> mvo, tx
[13:55] <mvo> cachio: I'm not sure how widespread this actually is, I think I saw it twice recently
[13:55] <cachio> ok, failing on yakkety
[13:55] <cachio> mvo, I'll take a look
[14:23] <cachio> mvo, which yakkety image do you use for the autopkgtests?
[14:24] <mvo> cachio: it comes from the machinery we use in autopkgtest, afaik it is created via buildvm-ubuntu-cloud
[14:25] <cachio> mvo, ok, tx
[14:30] <fgimenez> cachio: here are some details about how to generate images for different releases  and use them with the qemu backend https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/HACKING.md#running-the-spread-tests
[14:30] <cachio> fgimenez, nice
[14:30] <cachio> thanks for the ingo
[14:30] <cachio> info
[14:36] <mup> PR snapd#3514 opened: wrappers: add SyslogIdentifier to the service unit files <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3514>
[15:09] <mvo> jdstrand: if you could have a look at the last few commits for seccomp-bpf, especially    	02a6d3f - that would be great. tests are still running but locally spread is almost finished (183/190) and happy so far
[15:09] <mvo> jdstrand: I also updated the snap-confine.rst a bit more to better reflect what its doing
[15:13] <jdstrand> mvo: sure
[15:23] <mvo> jdstrand: thanks for your comment, I don't have a strong opinion either
[15:25] <jdstrand> mvo: +1
[15:25] <mvo> fgimenez, cachio: do you have an idea why https://travis-ci.org/snapcore/snapd/builds/245474489?utm_source=github_status&utm_medium=notification fails? this is the seccomp-bpf-2.26 branch, it fails with some shellcheck errors, did we change something there recently?
[15:25] <mvo> jdstrand: \o/
[15:30] <fgimenez> mvo: no idea sorry, looking
[15:35] <mvo> fgimenez: thank you, maybe I just need to disable shellcheck for this particular file, slightly strange but I can also dig
[15:40] <fgimenez> mvo: there are a few PRs by cachio related to shellcheck up https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pulls?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Apr%20is%3Aopen%20shellcheck but nothing seems to have landed lately https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pulls?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Apr%20is%3Aclosed%20shellcheck
[15:41] <mvo> fgimenez: thanks, I see what I can figure out
[17:14] <pedronis> mvo: we weren't running shellcheck at all I think until recently
[17:17] <gouchi> hi
[17:18] <gouchi> where is the source for ubuntu core for creating the db410c image ?
[17:19] <niemeyer> fginther: Didn't we move the static checks into a spread task as well?
[17:19] <niemeyer> fginther: Sorry, bad tab completion on the nick
[17:19] <gouchi> it should be here https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev ?
[17:20] <nacc> gouchi: that's the code page for the ubuntu core dev team
[17:20] <nacc> gouchi: unrelated to 'ubuntu core'
[17:20] <nacc> gouchi: confusingly :)
[17:20] <gouchi> ah ok :)
[17:30] <cachio> mvo, about the error in the test snappy-notify
[17:31] <cachio> it is failinf bacasue for some reason sometimes is taking more time to start the service
[17:31] <cachio> mvo, in the test that failed here, it tool 3 seconds from the "restart into" until it was ready
[17:32] <cachio> mvo, we could retry during 5 seconds instead of make a single check
[17:32] <cachio> mvo, what do you think?
[18:02] <mvo> cachio: sounds good
[18:02] <mvo> cachio: thanks for investigating!
[18:02] <cachio> mvo, np
[18:22] <pedronis> are spread tests on linode broken atm? it seems they cannot get any machines
[18:22] <cachio> pedronis, seem to be broken
[18:23] <cachio> I cant run neither
[18:23] <cachio> Discarding linode:ubuntu-16.04-64 (Spread-33), cannot connect: cannot connect to linode:ubuntu-16.04-64 (Spread-33): ssh: handshake failed: ssh: unable to authenticate, attempted methods [password none], no supported methods remain
[18:23] <cachio> pedronis, do you see that error?
[18:24] <pedronis> yes
[18:24] <cachio> niemeyer, any idea?
[18:49] <mup> PR snapd#3515 opened: tests: fix snapd-notify when it takes more time to restart <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3515>
[19:04] <kyrofa> niemeyer, can I have the power to make a forum post a wiki?
[19:04] <kyrofa> Or would you prefer that we ask?
[19:08] <niemeyer> kyrofa: Done.. as a general recommendation, wiki posts are generally not phrased in personal terms, otherwise even being a wiki people will end up not touching them
[19:08] <niemeyer> cachio: Yeah, on it already
[19:08] <niemeyer> cachio: Linode is broken
[19:08] <niemeyer> cachio: Their support is looking into the issue
[19:08] <kyrofa> niemeyer, thanks
[19:30] <cachio> niemeyer, thanks
[19:33] <niemeyer> mvo: I don't have news from Linode itself, but retrying seems to have worked now
[19:33] <niemeyer> https://travis-ci.org/snapcore/snapd/jobs/245873418
[19:33] <mvo> niemeyer: nice
[19:54] <mup> PR snapd#3516 opened: asserts: implement FindManyTrusted as well <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3516>
[20:01] <mup> PR snapd#3431 closed: interfaces: simplify snap-confine by just loading pre-generated bpf code <Critical> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3431>
[20:15] <mup> PR snapcraft#1350 closed: rust plugin: Add support for cross-compilation <Created by kalikiana> <Merged by elopio> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1350>
[20:39] <madprops> Hi
[20:39] <madprops> I have a question
[20:39] <madprops> What happens when applications installed through snappy, like Telegram, have automatic updates?
[20:39] <madprops> Their own updater
[20:40] <madprops> Does it update, and then snappy tries to update it again?
[20:40] <kyrofa> madprops, it probably depends on how the updater is written. Snaps are read-only, so they won't be able to self-update in place, for example
[20:41] <madprops> So it brakes all autoupdates
[20:41] <madprops> autoupdaters*
[20:41] <madprops> breaks*
[20:41] <madprops> something doesn't feel right about that
[20:42] <madprops> unless linux versions by convention don't come with autoupdaters
[20:43] <kyrofa> madprops, how would it work if one were to install telegram from, say, a deb?
[20:44] <madprops> Well I'm not sure but, I can tell you that in Windows I just install an exe, and autoupdaters work, they ask you for admin permissions to upgrade
[20:45] <madprops> It would be cool if snaps become like exes
[20:46] <madprops> big applications have autoupdaters ... and the other ones you just upgrade when needed (downloading a new exe)
[20:46] <kyrofa> madprops, the idea is to bring that auto-update goodness to everyone, not just those who create the infrastructure for it
[20:48] <madprops> yes that's nice too
[20:48] <madprops> something that surprised me though
[20:48] <madprops> was there there seemed to be no way to disable autoupdates, just select "good hours" to update
[20:48] <madprops> very windowslike
[20:49] <kyrofa> Yeah I'm not sure why that is either, honestly
[20:49] <niemeyer> If you open a forum topic I'm happy to provide details
[20:54] <kyrofa> Perhaps this is the thread to read: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/disabling-automatic-refresh-for-snap-from-store/707
[20:55] <mup> PR snapd#3513 closed: asserts: open up and optimize Encoder to help avoiding unnecessary copying <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3513>
[21:02] <niemeyer> kyrofa: Nice, it's even there already :)
[21:03] <niemeyer> forum++
[21:06] <kyrofa> niemeyer, here's a nuanced version: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/delaying-snap-refreshes-programatically/1085
[21:39] <mup> PR snapcraft#1345 closed: deltas: Improved message returned when delta is too big <Created by gsilvapt> <Merged by elopio> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1345>
[23:52] <mup> PR snapcraft#1366 closed: cli: Add --version command <Created by sparkiegeek> <Merged by elopio> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1366>


[00:11] <gani> !next
[00:25] <phunyguy> ahhh +1  couldnt remember!  thanks!
[00:40] <killown> about this https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305498
[00:40] <killown> the developer is saying this is a kubuntu issue
[00:47] <SIR_Taco> killown: have you done what Mr. Feck suggested in your bug report?
[00:51] <killown> SIR_Taco, what is #kubuntu is for?
[00:53] <SIR_Taco> killown:  KDE 3.4.2 is what you are using?
[00:53] <killown> SIR_Taco, 4.9
[01:01] <SIR_Taco> killown: What are you trying to accomplish exactly?
[01:01] <Nutts> Hi all. Having lots of trouble installing kubuntu lts. The boot CD keeps freezing up. Anybody else had this issue?
[01:03] <SIR_Taco> Nutts: which Kubuntu/Ubuntu version?
[01:03] <Nutts> 12.04 PP
[01:12] <SIR_Taco> Nutts: did you run the "check disc for errors" option from the menu when you boot from the disc?
[01:13] <Nutts> I did not. I only checked the MD5 on the iso and it came back ok. recommended?
[01:17] <juan_> HOLA
[01:17] <SIR_Taco> Nutts: It's worth a shot... there are many things that could be wrong
[01:21] <Nutts> SIR_Taco: test passed. Would you recommend the memory test?
[01:21] <SIR_Taco> Nutts: yes I would, but it's going to take awhile
[01:22] <SIR_Taco> Nutts: you don't get any sort of error while installing? can't hit CTRL-ALT-F1 or F2, etc. to get to a terminal?
[01:26] <Nutts> Sir_Taco: nope. basically everything seems to be going fine. But the scrolling dots stop moving and the cd drive stops spinning after another minute or so. all hard drive activity stops
[01:26] <Nutts> No errors on the screen
[01:27] <SIR_Taco> Nutts: when the 'scrolling dots' are on the screen, you can hit ESC and it should show you the boot process. You might see an error there (could be driver related, could be hardware related)
[01:28] <Nutts> Sir_Taco: Ok let's see what she does
[01:31] <Nutts> Sir_Taco: Ok looks like a driver issue. "b43-phy0 error: firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found
[01:34] <SIR_Taco> Nutts: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11883375&postcount=6
[01:35] <SIR_Taco> not an ideal solution, but it seems to be a solution
[01:35] <Nutts> Sir_Taco: Thank you.  I am loving it.
[02:20] <Tech_Head> So fast.
[02:43] <lester_> holaaa
[03:16] <brian_> hello all
[04:58] <LifeSF> hi, how do i open a directory as root in kde?
[05:04] <rapidsp> LifeSF: kdesu dolphin
[05:10] <LifeSF> wow... what now?
[05:12] <LifeSF> oh sudo dolphin?
[05:13] <LifeSF> rapidsp: Thank You :D
[05:20] <ggvaberi> hi guys.
[05:20] <ggvaberi> how to change application launcher icons sizes?
[05:46] <noaXess> morning..
[05:46] <noaXess> each morning
[05:47] <noaXess> updatedb.mlocate runs now (07:47 am) instead of 05:25 am
[05:48] <noaXess> any idea, where updatedb.mloate is configured to run later then 05:25? see /etc/crontab: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1158433/
[09:37] <kvaks_> I've installed kubuntu-desktop over regular Ubuntu 12.04. Using KDE I still get gnome notification pop ups (say, for new package updates available). How can I reconfigure to use knotify instead of Ubuntu/Gnome's notify-osd?
[10:01] <mime> hey ppl, ive already installed precise, but when installing a colortheme or iconset, nothing appears in the list, only i see them when i start systemsettings in sudo mode, any help? thnx!!!
[10:22] <Qantourisc> Compared to Xubunutu how "slow" is it ? (6 year old machine)
[10:22] <Qantourisc> (Xubuntu is a nightmare cause it uses gnome's network manage)r
[12:27] <Quetzalcoatl> hi guys! is anyone installed iredmail using virtual domains ?
[12:29] <Quetzalcoatl> my dns is kept on my isp
[13:31] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:33] <killown> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305498  the developer is saying this is a kubuntu issue, please someone help to fix thiss
[13:36] <who_me> Hello. Will Kubuntu ISOs be re-issued following the release of Ubuntu 12.04.1 ?
[13:39] <phunyguy> ugh, the wifi here sucks, sorry.
[13:39] <phunyguy> (if anyone answered)
[13:49] <gogo_> hi everyone
[13:49] <phunyguy> good luck, lol.
[13:49] <gogo_> my flash player doesnt work how can i fix it
[13:50] <phunyguy> it's a ghost town here this morning
[13:50] <gogo_> my flash player doesnt work how can i fix it
[13:52] <gogo_> my flash player doesnt work how can i fix it
[13:52] <hateball> gogo_: In which browser, and what does "doesnt work" mean?
[13:52] <hateball> !repeat
[14:07] <phunyguy> So I found an article to modify some config files, but there should be an easier way.
[14:31] <excognac> hi all sorry for such an easy question but how do i copy /home/userA/.kde to home/userB/.kde whereas userB is the only sudoer?
[14:32] <excognac> or ny oter ideas to recover fast a corrupted/broken desktop profile
[14:32] <excognac> *any, other
[14:33] <phunyguy> su to userB
[14:33] <phunyguy> in the terminal, and cp -v /home/userB/* to /home/userA
[14:33] <phunyguy> pretty much anyway
[14:33] <excognac> thanks a lot
[14:33] <phunyguy> maybe have to chown it once it's there
[14:34] <SIR_Taco> excognac: if your kde desktop config is corrupted just move and/or remove the .kde directory. It will be re-created next time the user logs into KDE
[14:35] <excognac> ty SIR _Taco
[14:58] <Qantourisc> Compared to Xubunutu how "slow" is it ? (6 year old machine)
[14:58] <Qantourisc> Kubunutu to understand
[15:03] <BluesKaj> genii-around, I have 2 internal drives and one external , each internal drive has 2 partitions , the external is formatted to ext4 and contains media files mostly. I've reading about UUID and it's settings in fstab , but each OS installed has it's own fstab and designates each partition on all drives differently from each other's fstab , Will UUID tie the partitons on the drives so they have common IDs in each fstab
[15:03] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:06] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Work, sorry for lag
[15:07] <BluesKaj> np genii-around , I'm here all morning
[15:07] <genii-around> BluesKaj: The UUID is always static no matter what order the system boots up in, or what order the BIOS puts the drives
[15:08] <BluesKaj> ok genii-around how do I implement UUID , been looking for tutorials , but there seem to be any current ones
[15:09] <bazhang> !blkid
[15:09] <genii-around> BluesKaj: To find the UUID: sudo blkid
[15:09]  * genii-around sips coffee and stares at bazhang
[15:10] <BluesKaj> bazhang, that doesn't tell me much
[15:10] <genii-around> BluesKaj: To implement the UUID in fstab, format is like: UUID=73ef1624-8922-41bd-a946-1fbe06434324 /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
[15:10] <viktor> hi
[15:10] <genii-around> ( this is an excerpt from my fstab )
[15:10] <viktor> cmagina
[15:11] <viktor> u there?
[15:11] <viktor> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1159180/
[15:11] <BluesKaj> genii-around, so do I run the command on each OS ?
[15:12] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Since the UUID never changes, no, just under one, then record the UUID so you can use it in the different fstab files for each system
[15:13] <BluesKaj> ok genii , thanks
[15:19] <BluesKaj> going back to the main drive 12.04 to do the UUIDs , sudo blkid , since it's the stable OS in my setup ..BBIAB
[15:43] <legodude> hi everyone, I'm having new trouble with /tmp and 'overflow' - I'm running out of temp space whenver I try to do anything
[15:43] <legodude> I don't quite understand it
[15:45] <legodude> and df reports 1bmb sized /tmp
[16:12] <chilly_> Hello.. I'm quite new to kubuntu..
[16:12] <chilly_> does anyone know what is the use of the four dots beside the icon on title bar?
[16:13] <chilly_> when i click on it, it became one dot, but nothing happens
[16:14] <Kvaks> chilly_: It doesn't look like four dots, but I have a "sticky" button there.
[16:14] <Kvaks> Makes the window stick even if you move around to other virtual desktops.
[16:15] <dabauer> join ubuntu-cn
[16:15] <chilly_> I see.. let me try that..
[16:15] <chilly_> whoa.. ur right kvaks.. thanks for the info..
[16:15] <Kvaks> No prob!
[16:15] <chilly_> its kind of awkward going kubuntu from windows..
[16:16] <Kvaks> Good move. You'll get used to the differences quickly, I think.
[16:16] <chilly_> I hope so.. this is the third time I reinstall my machine with linux distro
[16:17] <chilly_> never got the plugin usb modem to work till now
[16:17] <chilly_> and missing many great window programs
[16:18] <Kvaks> Most work well in Wine, though.
[16:18] <Kvaks> The only Windows app I miss is Adobe Lightroom.
[16:18] <chilly_> mm.. currently im trying to install notepad ++ with wine..
[16:19] <chilly_> its updating gecko
[16:19] <chilly_> sure takes its time
[16:19] <chilly_> downloading
[16:19] <Kvaks> No need for that! There's plenty of good text editors for Linux!
[16:20] <chilly_> ya.. real plenty, but most of them doesnt have feature that npp have..
[16:20] <chilly_> i tried netbeans ide, and i cant even press enter to change line..
[16:21] <chilly_> but really some kde feature are nice, like that desktop icons..
[16:22] <chilly_> having said that.. do you know how to remove icons from the desktop? most programs i tried installing, i have no idea how to uninstall them completely.. the icons are still left behind
[16:23] <Kvaks> I don't know, I don't have any icons on my desktop at all. Did you drag them there? Right-click and delete, perhaps?
[16:23] <SaCruM> Hi there, someone here know the game summoning wars? It is pretty hard to install apparently. Someone here have it installed and could guide me to install it? Please..
[16:24] <chilly_> nope.. it came with the installation i suppose..
[16:24] <chilly_> i didnt do anything but now i have icons on the desktop, similar to iphone menus.. which is quite neat
[16:25] <chilly_> i was installing kubuntu from server edition, and installed kde interface from there.
[16:25] <chilly_> for sacrum, i didnt play game much.. maybe you can use wine, as kvaks and i discussed just now
[16:26] <SaCruM> chilly_: summoning wars was developed for linux. Its just hard to install, i think i need a lot of deps like ogre, ois, lua5.1... :S
[16:28] <chilly_> hoboy.... i cant event start webgl for my chrome installation in kubuntu.. u lost me in the dependency..
[16:35] <cmagina> viktor: as i said, the issue is an installer problem, which is an area i have no knowledge of. i'd talk to mint, ubuntu or debian about it as there is a greater chance of finding someone with installer internals knowledge who could help you
[16:40] <viktor> cmagina
[16:40] <viktor> the problem is by GPT partitions
[16:40] <viktor> i erase all the disk with Gparted
[16:40] <viktor> and derate a new partition tab
[16:40] <viktor> Linux create MBR partitions by defect?
[16:40] <cmagina> not sure actually
[16:42] <cmagina> the system did properly detect your partitions, both the kernel and the installer, the issue was that the installer failed when it was looking at them for their filesystem type (NTFS, etc.)
[16:42] <cmagina> it figured out some of them, but looks like when it should have returned that information to the partitioner it returned nothing
[16:43] <cmagina> which means there is a bug in the partition scanner that could definitely be related to your system using GPT
[16:43] <chilly_> @kvaks : yowzer, npp and wine works like charm.. thanks again.. ciao
[16:44] <cmagina> if it works by not using gpt, awesome, but its probably worth while to submit a bug against the installer with that syslog and the details of your setup so it can be fixed :)
[16:52] <viktor> hi
[16:53] <viktor> why only open gparted in KDE with terminal (sudo open gparted) ??
[16:53] <viktor> not click in desktop¿
[16:53] <DarthFrog> You can create a desktop icon that will do that.
[16:54] <viktor> yes
[16:54] <viktor> but doesn work
[16:54] <DarthFrog> Use kdesudo instead of sudo.
[16:54] <viktor> in properties of application?
[16:55] <viktor> ok thanks
[16:55] <viktor> solved problem :)
[16:55] <viktor> thanks a lot
[16:55] <DarthFrog> In the "Command" field of "Application".
[16:55] <DarthFrog> You're welcome.
[18:38] <keneedve> #ubuntu-es
[19:46] <JUS> hi
[19:48] <CQ> hello, any idea where I can get the get_architecture command from??
[21:48] <andrewx> Can some1 PLEASE tell me how I can download a package to a specific folder? like apt-get -d <package_name> /folder  is there a way to do this please?
[21:50] <DeadTOm> It's a matter of finding the actual path to the package you want and then you can just use wget.
[21:51] <BluesKaj> andrewx, the downloads are defaulted to /home/your/username /Downlods
[21:52] <andrewx> LOL
[21:52] <andrewx> you mean to say: /var/cache/apt/archives/
[21:52] <andrewx> but that does not address my question.
[21:52] <andrewx> I was curious if it was possible to download a package to a specific folder
[21:52] <DeadTOm1> Yes, you can do that with wget.
[21:52] <andrewx> so I wouldn't have to go hunting through cache,
[21:53] <DeadTOm1> To my knowledge, it can't be done with apt-get.
[21:53] <DeadTOm1> No you could grab it from the repo with wget.
[21:53] <andrewx> can I get apt-get to tell the specific URL ?
[21:53] <andrewx> I guess for now, its plucking it out of cache...
[21:54] <DeadTOm1> If you know the name of the package, you can google it, with your ubuntu version name and it will turn up the path to it in the repo.
[21:54] <BluesKaj> uhm if you download an app from a website , /home/your/username/Downlods isn the target file
[21:54] <BluesKaj> isn=is
[21:54] <andrewx> Somehow that does not ring true. but ok.
[21:54] <andrewx> You mean using wget.. by default?
[21:54] <BluesKaj> take alook
[21:55] <BluesKaj> that's where mine end up
[21:55] <andrewx> wget will write to last cwd actually
[21:55] <andrewx> cd
[21:55] <andrewx> at any rate...
[21:56] <BluesKaj> both using a browser and  wget
[21:56] <andrewx> I agree with browser perhaps.
[21:56] <andrewx> I notice that "recoq" actually works out of da box now with flash! lol
[21:56] <andrewx> in 12.04 anyway
[21:56] <andrewx> can't say I'm too overall impressed with all those changes
[21:56]  * BluesKaj shrugs  ..well, that's been my experience
[21:57] <andrewx> Not used to those menu's being moved to right-hand drop-down...
[21:57] <andrewx> who's silly idea was that anyway?
[21:57] <DeadTOm1> wget will write to either the folder you're running it from or with the -P
[21:57] <BluesKaj> andrewx, otherwise rekonq doesn't load pages properly, it's hopeless
[21:57] <andrewx> I usually use -O myself.
[22:37] <JMichael|work> is there a way to stop the file transfer pop-up notifications, while keep the systray file transfer indicator?
[22:45] <DeadTOm> Hmmm... I don't get those notifications. The tray icon changes to let me know something is going on but nothing pops up. I have to click on it to see what's going on. What version of kde are you using?
[23:03] <em> is there anyway i could make this my desktop background -- http://www.rainymood.com/
[23:34] <Kevman> Does anyone know about how gwenview handles tags? I just discovered that if I tag a file, then move it, the tag disappears.
[23:48] <em> Hey how come Kubuntu comes with such plain wallpaper and has no other wallpapers? And how come I don't see the virus or globe thing being talked about here -- http://maketecheasier.com/7-ways-to-beautify-your-kde-4-desktop/2010/12/08
[23:48] <em> it often seems no one is watching this channel.
[23:49] <clarion_admin> How can I log into my computer remotely at will?
[23:52] <em> clarion_admin you could use ssh if you are comfortable with the command line
[23:54] <em> hello folks
[23:54]  * em plays a drum


[03:17] <john_rambo> Anybody using lxqt ? I just installed it but cant login to it....it just logs out
[09:38] <MaxFrames> how do I autostart an application (nm-applet) for all users on lubuntu 14.04?
[10:27] <Vankalif> hi to all
[10:28] <Vankalif> привет всем
[10:28] <Vankalif> есть кто
[10:28] <Vankalif> отпишитесь закоенктился я или нет?
[10:31] <silverlion> Vankalif: i am sorry but here it's english to talk
[10:31] <silverlion> russian speaker are not available now
[10:32] <Vankalif> sorry idont know
[10:41] <alket> Hi , I currently use kubuntu  , but I want more speed from my laptop , I want to install lubuntu-desktop package , but when I enter the lubuntu "mode" will it launch kde depencies ?
[10:43] <silverlion> alket: it can happen, yes. (but i am not a100% sure. best way is a complete re-install to get kde completely off your hard-drive
[10:44] <alket> silverlion: thank you
[11:25] <rana75> hi
[16:52] <vasa1> Has anyone here managed to login to the lxqt desktop after installing the lxqt metapackage on Lubuntu 14.04?
[16:52] <vasa1> I just get returned to the login screen
[17:03] <ianorlin> I haven't figured that out yet
[17:03] <bollo__> I've got the same problem
[17:14] <musshan> Hello people. I am on a brand new istall of lubuntu 14.04 and enjoying its speed :D
[17:14] <musshan> *install
[17:16] <musshan> I want to know the keyboard shortcuts for lubuntu 14.04
[17:16] <musshan> can anyone help me with that?
[17:20] <musshan> is no one online?
[17:23] <ianorlin> there is a page on the wiki with all of them and if you go read only to ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml has all of them in there but is confusing to figure out the xml
[17:23] <ianorlin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Keyboard is the wiki page
[17:40] <musshan> ianorlin: thanks for the reply
[17:40] <musshan> ianorlin: is there anyway to have automatically switching wallpaper in lubuntu like in ubuntu?
[17:43] <musshan> ianorlin: when i ctrl+ald+del the system logouts instead of lxtask
[17:43] <leszek> musshan: you could write a script which copies new wallpapers to one file which pcmanfm uses as wallpaper
[17:44] <musshan> leszek: i am not familiar with scripts although if you can guide me i might be able to follow
[17:44] <leszek> musshan: look at .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml for ctrl-alt-del and set it to lxtask instead
[17:44] <leszek> musshan: I guess there are some already available
[17:45] <leszek> musshan: see for example this here which is a pretty clever one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1843824
[17:46] <leszek> musshan: but this script assumes you have the wallpapers all in one folder and nummerically named like 01.jpg 02.jpg and so on
[17:46] <leszek> musshan: it also only seems to work with jpgs
[17:46] <musshan> leszek: ic
[17:47] <musshan> leszek:is there a keyboard shortcut for killing an unresposive application?
[17:48] <leszek> musshan: if ctrl+alt+esc is not starting xkill then I think no
[17:48] <leszek> musshan: so basically alt+f2 "xkill" enter would be the shortest I guess
[17:49] <musshan> leszek:  in the xml i found that ctrl+alt+del is pointing to task manager only but my system is logging out
[17:52] <leszek> musshan: Interesting. Can you show me that file (currently @work and don't have lubuntu running here). Either the ctrl+alt+del stuff is commented out or some other app is interfering like the power manager. Check also the power manager if something is set there in its settings
[17:54] <musshan> leszek:how do i show you the file?
[17:55] <leszek> musshan: paste it to a paste service like paste.kde.org or pastebin.com
[17:57] <musshan> leszek: i have pasted on pastebin.com
[17:59] <musshan> leszek: the link is http://pastebin.com/QdW5gKHt
[18:01] <leszek> musshan: and if you execute lxsession-default tasks it starts the taskmanager and does not log you out ?
[18:02] <musshan> leszek: like the menu logout does not log me out directly it shows me the menu where i can choose to logout to shutdown
[18:03] <leszek> so even lxsession-default tasks does this ?
[18:04] <musshan> leszek: lxsession-default means the poweroff button or logout from the menu?
[18:12] <ianorlin> I think leszek is talking aboutin a terminal
[18:13] <musshan> ianorlin: so i shoud typre lxsession-default in terminal? and check?
[18:15] <musshan> ianorlin: also can you help me config a manual ip for my network? i have done it in gnome network manager, but this looks different
[18:15] <leszek> musshan: yeah please type this command in the terminal and see what happens :)
[18:16] <musshan> leszek: okay doing it now
[18:18] <musshan> leszek: nothing is happening
[18:19] <leszek> hmm... interesting. Because this is the command that get executed when you press ctrl+alt+del
[18:19] <leszek> musshan: did you check the power manager if it has something set for pressing ctrl+alt+del ?
[18:22] <musshan> leszek: nothing for ctrl+alt+del
[18:22] <musshan> leszek: can you help me configure manual ip address?
[18:23] <leszek> whats the problem there ?
[18:26] <musshan> leszek: ah nothing i didnt check it out sorry
[18:28] <musshan> leszek: i removed this poweroff button from the panel is there a way to get it back?
[18:29] <musshan> leszek: thanks for helping for now. ciao tomo. its getting late. gtg. bye mate.
[18:30] <leszek> ok bye. For the power button right clicking the panel will help.
[18:30] <leszek> there you can add plugins to the panel
[18:30] <leszek> one of them should be the power button I hope
[18:31] <musshan> leszek: there is not power button plugin mate. will figureout these things tomo
[18:31] <musshan> ciao
[18:31] <leszek> ok cu
[19:26] <urielvigilant> how to I already installed sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/java and also sudo apt-get install oracle-java8-installer but i cant run a file.jar .how to use it ?
[19:26] <wxl> urielvigilant: java file.jar
[19:29] <urielvigilant> wxl let me try it .
[19:31] <urielvigilant> i went to the folder where it is the jar, then dii what you said and then i receive this answear Error: Could not find or load main class startup.jar
[19:33] <wxl> so you're trying to run a file called startup.jar?
[19:33] <urielvigilant> yes ?
[19:34] <wxl> is that a question or a statrement?
[19:35] <urielvigilant> yes it is a startup.jar ! sorry
[19:35] <urielvigilant> the programmer send me this link, it is a web email extracter  http://vietspider.org/release/VietSpider3_20_XML_Linux.zip
[19:35] <wxl> and if you do `ls startup.jar` you get `startup.jar` back?
[19:36] <urielvigilant> let me see
[19:36] <wxl> i'm not about to touch some unknown zip file, sorry
[19:36] <urielvigilant> yes it game that back
[19:36] <urielvigilant> it give me back
[19:36] <wxl> try `java -jar startup.jar`
[19:38] <urielvigilant> it says : no main manifest attribute, in startup.jar
[19:39] <wxl> sounds like you got a problem with your jar file; talk to "the programmer"
[19:39] <urielvigilant> thank you
[20:54] <morsing_> Trying to install lubuntu, i get a "The ext4 file system in partition #1 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) failed." Where do i go from here?
[20:54] <genii> morsing_: Is this a clean install?
[20:55] <morsing_> Yeah
[20:55] <genii> You could try switching to a console and manually mkfs on it
[20:56] <morsing_> Can you guide me? Or is there an online guide  i can use?
[21:00] <genii> I'm soon leaving, but the basic process: ctrl-alt-F1  ( you can probably use any of F1 thru to F4) then you should get a prompt. Then find where it's currently mounted with: mount     ...the device you are looking for is /dev/sda1    which SHOULD be mounted on /target  . then you unmount it with: sudo umount /target  (or different name if the mount command showed something else than /target) . Then: sudo mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda1    and let it finish. Then
[21:00] <genii> mount it again in same place as before with: sudo mount /dev/sda1 /target ...then to alt-tab-F# back to install screen
[21:01] <genii> Where F# is one of the function keys , I think F1 or maybe F4 in the install not like F7 in regular X
[21:01] <morsing_> thanks, i will try. :)
[21:07] <morsing_> I think the HDD might be broken
[21:08] <morsing_> BDMA stat 0x24
[21:08] <morsing_> failed command: READ DMA
[21:08] <morsing_> I/O error
[21:11] <morsing_> And the SMART data says the disk is failing, that was a sad solution.
[21:21] <genii> morsing_: I decided to stay a bit longer at work today, I'm just back at my desk now. Yes, looks like you have faulty ND
[21:22] <genii> HD, rather...


[05:03] <pitti> Good morning
[06:02] <dholbach> good morning
[07:00] <jibel> good morning
[07:26] <wxl> !bug 1170597 | phillw
[07:26] <wxl> bah you don't like pipes with bugs, do you, ubot5 ?
[07:48] <Noskcaj> could someone please confirm bug 1094804
[07:54] <Noskcaj> SergioMenesesAFK, smartboyhw. can one of you help me with some testdrive stuff?
[08:28] <Noskcaj10> does anyone online have testdrive installed? i need some bugs confirmed
[08:50] <Noskcaj> does anyone online have testdrive installed? i need some bugs confirmed
[08:51] <Noskcaj> jibel, psivaa, wxl, pitti: since i know you're online, please read the above post
[08:51] <Noskcaj> sorry to random ping people
[08:52] <pitti> I usually just run "kvm -m 1024 ubuntu.iso", I never used testdrive admittedly
[08:53] <Noskcaj> ok, you should try it, although it has a rather large bug list (at least 50% because of me)
[08:56] <psivaa> Noskcaj: sorry i don't use testdrive either, although i could start that soon but don't think that will be today
[08:57] <Noskcaj> psivaa, ok, no problem. hopefully you will like it
[08:58] <psivaa> :)
[09:17] <jibel> Noskcaj, I never used testdrive
[09:17] <Noskcaj> jibel, :(
[09:58] <jibel> stgraber, are ubuntu touch images updated automatically on the tracekr?
[09:58] <jibel> *tracker
[09:59] <jibel> 20130419 is on cdimage, but 20130418 is on the tracker
[10:05] <stgraber> jibel: I think they're supposed to but I have no idea whether anyone did the work on nusakan to make it happen
[10:06] <stgraber> jibel: btw, I "think" I've got a fix for the javascript filtering
[14:24] <smartboyhw> Hello balloons:)
[14:25] <balloons> hello smartboyhw !
[14:25] <balloons> how are you this fine evening?
[14:25] <smartboyhw> balloons: Bah homework:(
[14:25] <balloons> :-(
[14:27] <smartboyhw> phillw: plars missed what?
[14:28] <smartboyhw> balloons: ^
[14:28] <plars> smartboyhw: what was said about the status of the images for rc
[14:28] <smartboyhw> plars: I asked that once:)
[14:28] <plars> smartboyhw: yes, I see now :)
[14:29] <smartboyhw> :P
[14:41] <smartboyhw> Hey SergioMeneses
[14:41] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, morning!
[14:41] <SergioMeneses> how's everything¿
[14:42] <balloons> hello hello
[14:43] <SergioMeneses> balloons, \o\
[14:44] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, balloons: :)
[14:49] <balloons> so lots of exciting stuff
[14:49] <smartboyhw> balloons: \o/
[14:50] <SergioMeneses> balloons, ?
[14:51] <balloons> new ubuntu touch images, raring is readying for release.. a new uds is coming up, the visualizations are moving ahead
[14:51] <balloons> there's always more surprises
[14:52] <SergioMeneses> new UDS /o\
[14:55] <smartboyhw> \o/
[20:24] <Noskcaj> does anyone online have testdrive installed? i need some bugs confirmed
[20:25] <wxl> Noskcaj: since i didn't respond last night (you caught me right as i went to bed), no. sorry.
[20:25] <Noskcaj> wxl, ok, no problem
[21:13] <Noskcaj> as phillw has posted on FB and the mailing list, all daily's from now are essentially RCs, get testing
[21:14] <phillw> balloons: if you're about, can you update the topic. Thanks.


[00:54] <PCLine_> Thanks Unit193 - You encouraged me to mow some of my yard tonight.
[01:33] <Unit193> Heh, well glad I could help, but I didn't get it done myself. :/
[18:40] <yano> http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/08/ohio-lawmakers-want-to-ban-schools-from-teaching-scientific-process/
[18:40] <jenni> [ Ohio lawmakers want to limit the teaching of the scientific process | Ars Technica ] - https://j.mp/1pdBCd2
[18:40] <yano> ಠ_ಠ
[18:51] <dzho> I can't decide the scariest part of Ohio Linux Fest for me:  Almost falling asleep driving to/from it, the guy talking about how he sort of violates NY state gun control laws while in transit in or around NYC, or the attendees wearing Creation Museum T-shirts.
[18:52] <dzho> though, I should say my reaction to the middle bit was more "you dumb *#$&^*" rather than "oh, gnoes"
[20:24] <thafreak> when was that?
[20:59] <dzho> the gun bit?
[20:59] <dzho> standing around talking with people
[21:32] <thafreak> interesting...
[21:33] <thafreak> linux attracts all kinds...have you ever read any of ESR's blog posts?
[21:34] <dzho> oh yeah
[21:34] <dzho> and I agree, attracts all kinds
[21:34] <dzho> I don't doubt there are creationists around Lake Ontario.
[21:34] <dzho> and I *know* there are folks who are pretty into their guns around here.
[21:34] <dzho> Just sayin
[21:35] <thafreak> but we all love linux :)
[21:35] <thafreak> just not the same desktop environment ;)
[21:42] <Unit193> Truth!  And I don't see what's wrong with either of those types, that's not to say I believe he should ignore the gun laws but still. :P
[21:53] <skellat> yano: As to that bill mentioned in that Ars Technica article...it is late in the current General Assembly's term so there is a good chance it won't pass.  It is stuck in the House Rules Committee and hasn't even gotten to hearings.
[23:50] <PCLine_> Hello Ohio
[23:54] <Unit193> Howdy.
[23:55] <PCLine_> Hi Unit193 - I would tell you its great weather to work in the yard but its raining.
[23:58] <Unit193> Hah, indeed.  Trying to storm here, not sure it's going to make it.
[23:58] <belkinsa> Lucky you guys, you have rain and we don't.


[03:29] <Mgtheliver> Hello, can someone help me to understand this error during the installation: the installer couldn't create a partition table and then this create a new partition table (type: msdos) on ‘/dev/sda’
[03:29] <Mgtheliver> Job: Create new partition table on device ‘/dev/sda’
[03:29] <Mgtheliver> Command: sfdisk --wipe=always /dev/sda
[04:38] <guiverc> too late, but ^ Mgtheliver could have seen https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/calamares-rare-failure-to-create-partition-mkfs-errors/2774   (release details are always helpful as message(s) vary on calamares version)
[14:07] <aluno> HI
[14:08] <aluno> hello
[14:08] <aluno> how are you?
[14:08] <aluno> i'm fine and you?
[14:08] <aluno> i'm good.
[23:23] <GreenCoffeeBean1> Hi, I want to disable multiple workspaces, how do I accomplish this?
[23:25] <lynorian[m]> https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/3/3.2/3.2.11/openbox_settings.html set number of desktops in this program to 1
[23:25] <lynorian[m]> GreenCoffebean1^
[23:38] <GreenCoffeeBean1> ty
[23:39] <GreenCoffeeBean1> Just wanted to say, I think Lubuntu is the best OS ever =)
[23:39] <GreenCoffeeBean1> Is Lubuntu still "lightweight"
[23:39] <GreenCoffeeBean1> ?
[23:50] <wxl> GreenCoffeeBean1: that's still the focus, yes


[02:18] <mup> Bug #1958817 opened: Cannot delete a tag from multiple machines in a bulk with Web UI <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1958817>
[20:35] <mup> Bug #1958919 opened: Feature Request: Automatically refresh KVM hosts' guest list <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1958919>


[00:44] <rio> where can i find the maintainer of libgphoto2?
[00:44] <rio> i fixed a problem with certain canon cameras
[00:51] <LaserJock> rio: probably the best is to file/find a bug and attach a patch
[00:51] <LaserJock> rio: we don't have specific maintainers
[00:53] <mathrick> hi, sorry for dropping in out of the blue, however, upgrading to Hardy exposed me to the atrocity of freesans again... so is anyone familiar with fonts / fonts.conf situation enough to tell why exactly Free{Sans,Mono,Serif} aren't listed as absolutely last in the list, emergency fallback fonts if there's really nothing else?
[00:53] <rio> LaserJock: i already did that
[00:53] <LaserJock> rio: great, thanks for that
[00:53] <mathrick> and where/whose buttons do I press to see them banished in Hardy+1?
[00:54] <rio> LaserJock: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgphoto2/+bug/228154 :)
[00:55] <LaserJock> rio: cool
[01:01] <rio> LaserJock: which status should i set?
[01:03] <LaserJock> rio: hmm, I guess back to New
[01:03] <LaserJock> as I don't see anybody confirming it
[01:04] <rio> okay
[03:45] <ted2> So, where do I find "merge-genchanges"?
[03:54] <LaserJock> ted2: it's created by grab-merge.sh
[03:55] <LaserJock> and it's wherever you ran grab-merge.sh from
[04:08] <ted2> LaserJock: Cool, thanks.  I found it now :)
[08:05] <Auzy> hey.. I assume its known that brainstorm has run out of space again?
[11:04] <Riddell> pitti, doko, Mithrandir: could you give back strigi/0.5.9-1
[11:31] <Xtreme_Great> I wanted some help regarding kernel module programming
[11:31] <Xtreme_Great> The compiler can't find module.h
[11:31] <Xtreme_Great> can anyone help?
[11:32] <Xtreme_Great> I wanted some help regarding kernel module programming
[11:32] <Xtreme_Great> anyone?
[11:36] <Hobbsee> ...
[11:36] <Hobbsee> fail.  on multiple criteria.
[11:37] <Xtreme_Great> Is there anyone who can help me out with the module.h not found problem?
[11:37] <Xtreme_Great> I can't understand where to get that
[11:37] <Xtreme_Great> anyone of all 231
[11:37] <Hobbsee> Xtreme_Great: please read the /topic
[11:38] <Hobbsee> !weekend
[11:38] <Hobbsee> Xtreme_Great: dpkg -S module.h will give your answer.
[11:39] <Hobbsee> Xtreme_Great: also, packages.ubuntu.com would have told you.
[11:43] <mok0> Xtreme_Great: there are 166 packages containing module.h
[11:43] <mok0> :(
[11:45]  * Hobbsee suggests picking the most sane one.
[11:46]  * mok0 concurs
[13:12] <LucidFox> What's the point of having both cairo and libcairo?
[13:12] <LucidFox> they provide the same binary packages, only cairo is newer
[13:20] <geser> LucidFox: check if it was renamed in Debian and we simply forgot to remove the old source package
[13:21] <LucidFox> it was indeed renamed in Debian, and then in Ubuntu
[13:22] <geser> file a remove request for the old source package then
[13:23] <LucidFox> maybe there was some reason?
[13:24] <LucidFox> I imagine if libcairo  was simply forgotten, it would stay in main - instead it was demoted to universe
[13:25] <geser> LucidFox: there should be no reason to have two source packages building the same binary debs
[13:26] <geser> as you can only have one version of the binary debs in the archive (the newer ones)
[13:26] <Hobbsee> LucidFox: if nothing depends on it, it would get marked on teh 'drop' list
[13:28] <geser> Hobbsee: libcairo is the old source package name of cairo (both produce the same binaries)
[13:28] <Hobbsee> right
[13:28] <Hobbsee> then file a bug, get it removed
[13:29] <Hobbsee> as you said :
[13:29] <Hobbsee> * :)
[13:31] <cjwatson> LucidFox: demotion to universe is the sort of thing that might well happen semi-automatically
[13:31] <cjwatson> without somebody thinking too much about it
[13:31] <cjwatson> removals tend to require actual thought
[13:34] <LucidFox> can it be removed from hardy now, or only from intrepid?
[13:34] <cjwatson> can't remove packages from hardy now
[13:34] <cjwatson> or "won't" if you prefer, but the result is the same :)
[14:16] <emgent> heya thesaltydog
[14:16] <thesaltydog> mom
[14:16] <emgent> dad?
[14:17] <emgent> :)
[14:17] <Lightkey> oO
[14:17] <Lightkey> I know a salty-horse, are you two related?
[14:18] <emgent> Lightkey: i think now :)
[14:18] <emgent> s/now/no/
[14:18] <thesaltydog> eccomi, ma vado di corsa!
[14:19] <emgent> thesaltydog: this is an english room, anyway no problem :P
[14:19] <Lightkey> no, the other was from israel..
[14:19] <thesaltydog> oh, sorry. I have 5 tabs opened!
[14:19] <Lightkey> that is not much
[14:19] <thesaltydog> Hi oliver ogra!
[14:20] <thesaltydog> Lightkey, for me is over my limit..:-(
[14:20] <stgraber> I have something like 21 chans opened, not that hard to manage
[14:21] <helowo> 8->7 here ;)
[14:21] <Lightkey> no chance, I have the longest
[15:13] <Chipzz> what's with this? http://bobthegnome.blogspot.com/2008/05/apportbug-buddy-disabled-in-ubuntu-804.html
[15:13] <Chipzz> what is the intended behaviour for that?
[15:26] <ssam> Chipzz, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/ the change log for 0.108 say "Disable Apport for the final Hardy release"
[15:47] <cjwatson> Chipzz: yeah, it's intentional
[15:47] <cjwatson> bug-buddy should maybe have the same done to it
[15:48] <cjwatson> (maaaaybe)
[16:01] <Chipzz> cjwatson: but the post mentions bug-buddy not being enabled either - is that a bug or intended behaviour?
[16:04] <cjwatson> Chipzz: the subject line says that, but the post itself doesn't back it up; a comment indicates that bug-buddy probably is enabled
[16:05] <cjwatson> though that comment is also odd because Ubuntu 8.04 does have bug-buddy 2.22 and there's no obvious reason why it shouldn't have been upgraded along with everything else; also it is still installed by default
[16:06] <cjwatson> so it's unclear to me exactly what's going on there
[16:26] <andrew___> Can a package in main suggest or recommend a package outside of main?
[16:37] <sistpoty> andrew___: suggest: definitely... it used to be that it can recommend a package outside main as well... not sure if this is still true though
[16:37] <andrew___> Okay, good.
[16:37]  * andrew___ continues pondering
[16:43] <pochu> would an archive admin approve a package which just has 'BSD' in LICENSE?
[16:44] <geser> pochu: just the word "BSD" or the complete BSD licence text?
[16:44] <pochu> just the word
[16:44] <andrew___> Surely that's ambiguous?
[16:44] <andrew___> (How many clauses of BSD license do you mean)
[16:45] <pochu> I see
[16:46] <andrew___> Why not include the whole thing?
[16:46] <pochu> ask upstream :)
[16:46] <andrew___> Ah :)
[16:47] <andrew___> How about you started maintaining a very close fork?
[16:49] <pochu> andrew___: I guess I can't fork it since I don't know what BSD license it has ;-)
[16:49] <pochu> andrew___: anyway I'm reviewing it, not packaging it :)
[16:49] <pochu> I'll ask the packager to ask upstream to fix this
[16:49] <andrew___> Good catch-22.
[16:49] <pochu> also there's no single 'copyright' word in all the upstream code
[16:50] <andrew___> Yeah, I'm no lawyer, but it doesn't sound legally very useful.
[16:50] <pochu> right
[16:50] <andrew___> Especially if there's no hint who it's attributed to or how you'd contact them.
[16:51] <pochu> well, there's the AUTHORS file with their names and emails, but my problem is that the packager put 'Copyright 2008 ...' but I wonder if that's true, as I can't find that in the upstream code :)
[16:51] <pochu> btw, how many BSD licenses there are?
[16:52] <andrew___> Wikipedia would know.
[16:52] <andrew___> (I'm upgrading to Hardy at last, so my browsers don't work :s)
[16:53] <andrew___> You can get templates for them all, just get them to change $NAME etc. to whoever owns the files.
[16:53] <andrew___> Anyway, speaking of upgrading, I have to reboot now - brb.
[18:21] <Xtreme_Great> I needed some help regarding building my ubuntu kernel's restricted drivers
[18:21] <Xtreme_Great> can anyone help?
[18:24] <Xtreme_Great> anyone???
[18:24] <Xtreme_Great> hello?
[18:24] <Xtreme_Great> anyone home?'
[18:25]  * jdavies sighs
[18:26] <jdong> jdavies: reading the topic is a lost art, isn't it.
[18:26] <jdavies> jdong: that's the third time I've seen him do that in seperate channels
[18:27] <ion_> I’m still in favor of making ChanServ tell people joining to read the topic.
[18:27] <jdong> ion_: still wouldn't work, based on experience.
[18:28] <jdong> ion_: when Backports still took requests from the forums, I had a 1/2 page bold forum header describing the proper post format. Nobody listened.
[18:28] <jdong> ion_: at one point I got pissed off and made it <font size="72">
[18:28] <jdong> still got people who, after scrolling down 5 pages to the New Post button, forgot the proper posting format. again.
[18:28] <geser> jdong: it didn't help either, did it?
[18:28] <jdong> :)
[18:28] <jdong> I don't know what it would've taken. A strobing flash applet with sound?
[18:29]  * jdavies still follows: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11280/
[18:30] <ion_> A magic word within the message one needs to type next to the submit button? :-)
[18:30] <geser> a big captcha with the post format description?
[18:30] <jdong> geser: ROFL
[18:30] <jdong> "Type the following paragraph EXACTLY as you see it..."
[18:32] <tseliot> jdong: would death threats help? :-P
[19:40] <nxvl> is there something like an upload count?
[19:40] <andrew___> For uploading what?
[19:40] <nxvl> packages into ubuntu
[19:42] <laga> pitti: thanks for fixing apport
[19:42] <andrew___> The short answer is that I don't know, but I'd assume you could piece it together from new versions of packages.
[19:42] <geser> nxvl: you mean how many uploads a person did?
[19:50] <nxvl> geser: yup
[19:50] <geser> nxvl: http://ubuntu.joejaxx.org/ but it gets updated irregularly
[19:51] <nxvl> geser: thnx
[19:51] <Amaranth> Riddell does more uploads than seb128? I find that hard to believe :P
[19:52] <geser> Amaranth: kde language packs :)
[19:52] <joejaxx> i need to change that for ibex
[19:52] <Amaranth> hehe
[19:52] <Amaranth> And I guess seb128 has a team of people doing GNOME updates now
[19:53] <nxvl> Amaranth: kde4 comes in the middle of the development cicle
[19:53] <nxvl> Amaranth: also there is kde3.5 and kde4, against only one version of gnome
[19:53] <nxvl> it's understudable
[20:41] <emgent> heya dendrobates :)
[20:51] <sistpoty> hi, what's the lp name for x developers?
[20:51] <sistpoty> tjaalton: or should I subscribe you to bug 229079 instead?
[20:52] <sistpoty> tjaalton: (just saw, you're not away... not that I want to blame anyone here *g*)
[20:55] <sistpoty> oh, just saw that ubuntu-x is already subscribed, so nevermind :)
[20:55]  * norsetto wonders who fujitsu is ...
[20:56] <sistpoty> heh, my brain still hasn't realized the fujitus -> wgrant change :)
[20:56] <sistpoty> fujitsu even
[20:56] <emgent> true :p
[20:56] <emgent> hi norsetto
[20:58] <norsetto> emgent: ./
[21:06] <sistpoty> tkamppeter: just saw your comment to bug #229016, thanks! however I guess you'll also want to conflict on system-config-printer-kde (at least versioned, for the versions shipping smburi.py)
[21:06] <sistpoty> (otherwise the upgrade path might be broken)
[21:15] <elmo> as a reminder: Launchpad will be offline from maintenance in 45 minutes time, for 2 hours (i.e. 21:00-23:00 UTC)
[21:53] <sistpoty> anyone, who'd like to sponsor debdiff 1 from bug #229016 (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14432575/scpkde.debdiff)?
[21:54] <sistpoty> (Riddell... ? as it will still need to get updated in bzr)?
[22:11] <pwnguin> topic too long ;)
[22:12] <jdavies> pwnguin: that happens ;-)
[23:09] <tmmoyer> if I apply a patch and rebuild a package to use on local machines, should I use dch -n to increment the version number and will that be seen as a version number greater than the unpatched version?
[23:18] <sistpoty> tmmoyer: afaik, yes. the next ubuntu version would usually be taken from dch -i so I assume it's true
[23:19] <tmmoyer> okay.  also is there a way to force apt-get -d to only download the specified packages and not any unsatisfied dependencies?
[23:20] <sistpoty> tmmoyer: no idea actually... maybe be both pinning packages and specifing what you want to upgrade?
[23:21] <sistpoty> (or just pinning?)
[23:23] <tmmoyer> so what I need to do is get some packages to put on the install CD (for customizing purposes) and I only need to get packages I specify
[23:24] <tmmoyer> basically I have a list of all packages that I need on the CD, and I have removed any packages that are already on the CD leaving me a list of packages that I need to put on the CD.  I would like to find a way to download only those packages I need not all of the depends as well
[23:25] <sistpoty> tmmoyer: as in list of packages with dependencies or w.o.?
[23:26] <tmmoyer> yes.  I used the program germinate to generate a list of all packages needed, then removed any packages for which I already have the deb files
[23:26] <andrew___> Could you wget them with a shell script?
[23:27] <andrew___> for f in $(<package_list) ; do wget http://myarchive/dists/hardy/blah/blah/$f ; done
[23:29] <tmmoyer> so right now the package list is something I could pass to apt-get directly (package names only) what would be the easiest way to convert these to full paths that I can pass to wget
[23:29] <sistpoty> tmmoyer: should be easy then... iirc packages.gz contains a relative link to all (binary) packages locations (w.o. the name, you'd need to get this from version + package name in packgages.gz) to download
[23:29] <sistpoty> tmmoyer: however I'm not entirely sure about this... and iirc there might be s.th. out there which does that for you
[23:30] <sistpoty> tmmoyer: (maybe casper, but I guess you'll want to look at debimg as well)
[23:38] <tmmoyer> I may just deal with the dependencies, since in my cases right now, it is only 3 files.  I may just install the dependencies and then run the download
[23:39] <sistpoty> tmmoyer: whatever you think fits best your need ;)
[23:39] <andrew___> I hope I'm not being rude, but did you guys hear my suggestion before?
[23:40] <sistpoty> andrew___: I did at least. but I'm not the one with that endavour ;)
[23:40] <tmmoyer> andrew___: yes I did, the only problem is that I need a way to convert the package list to a series of urls to pass to wget,
[23:41] <andrew___> If it's just three, you could do it manually.
[23:41] <tmmoyer> the only way I know how to do that right now is through apt-get which resolves dependecies
[23:41] <tmmoyer> yeah my end goal though is complete automation of the process
[23:41] <tmmoyer> meaning I would like to find automatic methods of doing these things
[23:41] <andrew___> Ah, fair enough.
[23:42] <andrew___> I agree with sistpoty about checking the packages list then.
[23:42] <tmmoyer> yeah may not be a bad idea
[23:42] <sistpoty> (imho actually there should be some apt thingy to use for this... I'm not sure, but I guess there are python-bindings for apt, which could help you further)
[23:42] <tmmoyer> other than the customization page on the wiki is there any place where alternate CD creation is documented from beginning to end?
[23:42] <tmmoyer> yeah
[23:42] <tmmoyer> thanks
[23:43] <tmmoyer> hopefully things work out
[23:44] <andrew___> FIW, `grep "Package: $package" /var/lib/apt/lists/* -A15 -h | grep ^Filename:` gets you most of the way there.
[23:44] <andrew___> *FWIW
[23:48] <ion_> andrew: grep-dctrl(1)
[23:50] <andrew___> That's better :)


[09:32] <douchebag> sup guys
[20:55] <thorwil> _MMA_: we recently established about 2 ways how you could do reflections very well to please troy. here's an example of yet another: http://bp3.blogger.com/_EHZsoUS6SIA/R-r8qaO2gsI/AAAAAAAAAIU/gRV0fxPDRFw/s1600-h/canon.jpg
[20:55] <_MMA_> Oh hell with Troy. :)
[20:55]  * _MMA_ clicks.
[20:56] <_MMA_> hahahahhaa
[20:56] <_MMA_> That's funny. :)
[20:59] <thorwil> with that schedule and poor audio, my hopes are with the uds videos :/
[21:00] <_MMA_> Audio has been fine for me. Video likely to show http://www.youtube.com/ubuntudevelopers and video.ubuntu.com.
[21:04] <thorwil> good night! :)


[19:29] <marcoceppi> I was under the impression that upstart could run init.d scripts through the start/stop/restart commands. Am I mistaken wrt to that?
[19:40] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: totally mistaken
[19:41] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: the service command is the thing that binds the two systems
[19:41] <marcoceppi> SpamapS: Ah, okay, that's what I was looking for
[19:41] <marcoceppi> SpamapS: I knew something bridged the gap, I just couldn't remember for the life of me