[09:35] <JonathanD> Morning
[09:44] <InHisName> No fair, I was up early to say Morning first and you beat me anyway, JonathanD
[09:44] <JonathanD> hehe :)
[09:58] <JonathanD> InHisName: good try, anyway ;)
[10:00] <rmg51> worse, JonathanD is up to his old tricks and kicked me out before he said good morning  :P
[10:00] <JonathanD> heh :P
[10:00] <JonathanD> Morning rmg51
[10:01] <rmg51> anyhow..... morning JonathanD
[10:05] <InHisName> Kicking people while they're still sleeping.......   now that's getting LOW
[10:10] <rmg51> the second time was while I was awake :-/
[10:11] <JonathanD> darn.
[10:11] <rmg51> and just long enough to say good morning without getting a response from me :'(
[10:11] <JonathanD> all part of the plan
[10:11] <JonathanD> muhahahhahaha
[10:12] <JonathanD> I need someone to talk about ubuntu pa at fosscon.
[10:12] <JonathanD> Just for a few minutes.
[10:12] <rmg51> that's JonathanD way of letting some one other then me be the first to respond
[11:48] <SamuraiAlba> good bacon to all!
[11:48] <JonathanD> morning SamuraiAlba
[12:57] <InHisName> How about an open source bacon talk ?
[13:01] <SamuraiAlba> OSB?
[13:01] <SamuraiAlba> nice
[13:09] <SamuraiAlba> I need to find a new place to live by the 31st.  This SUCKS ASS
[13:32] <JonathanD> yes, open source bacon.
[13:32] <JonathanD> start the openbacon project
[13:47] <ChinnoDog> I found a new place to live. Not having furniture sucks pretty badly too.
[13:47] <JonathanD> erm
[13:47] <JonathanD> how am I here.
[13:47]  * JonathanD has no dns
[13:47] <JonathanD> thats how
[14:18] <InHisName> Need furniture in DC, ChinnoDog ?    I had several friends check classified for "garage" sales at the Watergate.
[14:19] <InHisName> Seems they found gov't execs. assigned to Europe or other parts and they needed to dump their furniture at end of garage sale.  He got a 20K liv rm group for $600 if he could haul it out in 1 hour.  He did.
[14:35] <SamuraiAlba> gonna get arrested, today
[14:35] <SamuraiAlba> My aunt just trashed my grandmothers house.
[14:35] <SamuraiAlba> DRUNK
[14:35] <SamuraiAlba> I'm going there to deal with her.
[14:35] <JonathanD> oh dear...
[14:35] <SamuraiAlba> afk
[14:44] <JonathanD> updated fosscon speaker list here: http://fosscon.org/speakers
[14:44] <PennBot> Title: FOSSCON - Free and Open Source Software Conferencespeakers « Fosscon (at fosscon.org)
[15:06] <SamuraiAlba> Back
[15:06] <SamuraiAlba> As much as I WANTED to go down there, grammie said she was calling the police and will call AGAIN if I come down there in a rage
[15:06] <SamuraiAlba> the Athlon 7750 BE system got SMASHED by my aunt, claiming my uncle was using it to set up dates to cheat on her.
[15:20] <SamuraiAlba> She even smashed the monitor...
[15:20] <SamuraiAlba> *sigh*
[15:20] <SamuraiAlba> 1920x1080 progressive...
[15:20] <waltman> classy
[15:20] <BeckySanderlin_x> venting
[15:20] <BeckySanderlin_x> gotta get that anger out
[15:20] <SamuraiAlba> Hiya, Beckers!
[15:20]  * BeckySanderlin_x waves
[15:20] <SamuraiAlba> And I'm single now, too LOL
[15:21] <waltman> Not having furniture does make it easier to move, though :)
[15:22] <BeckySanderlin_x> being single is where its at SamuraiAlba
[15:32] <SamuraiAlba> really?    Is a little tyke ?
[16:05] <SamuraiAlba> 13 this 23rd
[16:08] <waltman> Force him to come to fosscon!
[16:18] <jthan> Is it normal to have some bad blocks on a drive? I have never actually seen a "clean" badblocks test
[16:22] <waltman> yes
[16:23] <waltman> My impression is that there are so many blocks on modern drives that it's cheaper and easier to accept that there will be some small number of bad blocks and just map over them.
[16:24] <jthan> That's kinda the way I figured.
[16:47] <InHisName> It's been that way from the very begining, jthan.   I had 60Meg disk from '89, used special way to reformat to 83Mb and there were 2.5x the bad blocks as when 60Megs.   7 sectors vs 17 sectors.  There used to be tools to 'repair' those bad blocks but when the price fell below $10/Meg, it became less bothersome to just forever skip the bad stuff even if fixable.
[16:51] <jthan> It really does make sense.
[16:54] <andrew> yikes, "$10/Meg"
[16:55] <andrew> hrm.. that would make one click of the shutter of my camera cost ~$150
[16:58] <SamuraiAlba> Gonna make him go to Fosscon :)
[17:05] <waltman> that'll teach him!
[17:25] <InHisName> Is he a tech-no-weenie ?


[14:43] <Pendulum> maco: ping
[14:45] <Pendulum> pleia2: ping
[15:12] <maco> Pendulum: pong
[15:12] <Pendulum> can I PM you?
[15:12] <Pendulum> maco: ^^
[15:13] <maco> Pendulum: yep always
[15:37] <jono> #boycottnovell
[15:37] <jono> oops
[15:38]  * Pendulum giggles
[15:39] <MarkDude> :D
[15:41] <MarkDude> Well at least it was not a password being typed in. That is the worst when you see somebody do that
[15:43] <czajkowski> jono: aloha there
[15:44] <jono> hey czajkowski
[16:49]  * nigelb laughs a bit about jono's oops :D
[16:52] <rww> maybe "#boycottnovell" /is/ his password
[16:53] <jono> haha
[16:53] <jono> not my pass :)
[17:25]  * pleia2 was still asleeping
[17:26] <Pendulum> pleia2: I know, but I wanted to make sure you knew I was looking for you
[17:26] <Pendulum> can I PM you?
[17:26] <Pendulum> s/can/may
[17:27] <pleia2> any time
[17:28] <rww> nickserv info needs an optional PM policy field
[17:31] <Pendulum> rww: that would be awesome!
[17:31] <Pendulum> most people I know in non-ubuntu channels don't care if they get PMed (I don't care if people PM me without asking, for the record), but within Ubuntu it seems to be quite a mix
[17:32] <maco> Pendulum: its different between friends ;-)
[17:32] <Pendulum> maco: even that can get complicated :-)
[17:32] <rww> although now that I think of it, nickserv allows you to add arbitrary metadata fields, so people could just start using them ;)
[17:33] <Pendulum> but I generally mean anyone can PM me. If they troll me in PM, I can ignore them and generally that means they go away
[17:33] <nigelb> rww: I like that idea.
[17:33] <nigelb> Pendulum: Its about being polite I think.
[17:33] <nigelb> There are people who's PM windows are always open on my irssi.  I don't ask.  I just PM them.
[17:33] <rww> and yeah, I may be overthinking something that's more about politeness than policy
[17:33] <Pendulum> nigelb: like me :P
[17:34] <nigelb> Pendulum: yep :)
[17:34] <maco> nigelb: yep same here
[17:35] <pleia2> the problem in -women channels is that they are notorious for being trolled by people who PM lots of members and women silently leave without reporting it, which is sad
[17:35] <maco> i tend to go with permission being permanent-until-revoked
[17:35] <Pendulum> yeah, that's why I'm careful to ask people who generally hang out in -women channels
[17:35] <nigelb> maco: yeah, you're window is one of the numbers I end up learning ;)
[17:35] <maco> so if youve had permission to PM me once a year ago...meh go ahead
[17:36] <nigelb> maco: that's what I do, but depends on the person too.
[17:36] <Pendulum> maco: good to know :P
[17:36] <maco> though if its been that long, might want to remind me who you are!
[17:36] <rww> my only open pm windows are with bots right now :S
[17:36] <maco> nigelb: i gathered that, given how often you PM me
[17:37] <nigelb> maco: you're not so bad either :p
[17:37] <Pendulum> nigelb: let me guess the list of PM windows you know are for those who will be after you if you don't make it to UDS + maco + me
[17:37] <Pendulum> :P
[17:38] <rww> I should probably sort out UDS travel plans, huh
[17:38] <nigelb> Pendulum: well, the list of people who'll be after me is perfect.
[17:38] <nigelb> you and maco fall into that list I believe.
[17:38] <maco> nigelb: i have made no threats of violence
[17:39] <nigelb> maco: No threats.  But thats more fearful.
[17:39] <MarkDude> I will hard time you also nigelb - possibly mocking something about you :D
[17:39] <Pendulum> nigelb: I won't be after you the way Mike & Chris are. Just give you a hard time :P
[17:39]  * MarkDude is more than likely going, if the location is figured out
[17:39] <nigelb> Pendulum: Yes, psycological kick.  Worst part, you don't even need to fly down here for that.
[17:39]  * nigelb figures maco would do the same.
[17:39] <rww> MarkDude: Orlando
[17:40] <MarkDude> scratch that, I am not going I guess
[17:40] <nigelb> haha
[17:40] <nigelb> wait, we're on the logged channel.
[17:40] <MarkDude> Maybe could have if I had say, idk 6 months to plan
[17:40] <Pendulum> I really hope I can go, but it'll depend on whether I get sponsorship and if not what my money situation is like
[17:41] <MarkDude> What is the deal with waiting till the last momnet to announce?
[17:41] <rww> what's the deal with sponsorship? did applications get decided already and I missed it, or are they upcoming?
[17:41] <Pendulum> rww: application isn't out yet
[17:41] <maco> MarkDude: hard to announce before you plan?
[17:41] <rww> Pendulum: oh, good
[17:41] <pleia2> rww: technically they haven't made "The Official Announcement" about UDS
[17:42] <pleia2> we don't know the venue or anything
[17:42] <nigelb> rww: we'll all be talking about it then.
[17:42] <rww> pleia2: true
[17:42]  * MarkDude knows of other projects that plan events *six months* in advance :(
[17:42] <nigelb> pleia2: well, I think we do.  But I'm not so sure if I was supposed to find out.
[17:42] <nigelb> MarkDude: thats going to happen.  According to jorge, they will now revisit old venues so they can plan better.
[17:42] <Pendulum> MarkDude: because it's only been recently that they've started planning release cycles more than 6 months in advance so they haven't been able to really make plans of where more than 6 months in advance
[17:43] <rww> MarkDude, pleia2: maybe we should just all drive there. LoCo roadtrip! If we don't hate each other by the end of it, it'd be a bonding exercise
[17:43] <pleia2> nigelb: well, *I* don't
[17:43]  * MarkDude apologizes.
[17:43]  * MarkDude & flannel in a car. It would be a *buddy movie*
[17:43] <Pendulum> MarkDude: don't. it's a common issue people have. I've complained about it. I only found out the reasoning during conversations at UDS-M
[17:43] <MarkDude> totally awesome
[17:43] <pleia2> unfortunately I am helping plan an OLPC-SF event sat and sunday before, I can't swing getting to orlandy for monday
[17:44] <pleia2> orlando too
[17:44] <nigelb> heh
[17:44]  * MarkDude finds it BS. Does not feel the need to vent here in UW tho :)
[17:44] <nigelb> MarkDude: think about people like me.
[17:44] <nigelb> We need to get sponsorship and get visa too
[17:45] <pleia2> I don't know the reason either, but it makes it very difficult for me too
[17:45] <rww> MarkDude: could put you, Flannel, and grantbow in the back of my van for 2,815 miles. You *might* get everything figured out given that much time.
[17:45] <Pendulum> it makes it difficult for everyone
[17:45] <maco> MarkDude: claire told me at UDS Barcelona that one reason is that its hard to find places capable of holding it, now that UDS is reguarly > 300 people
[17:45] <MarkDude> nigelb, I feel you
[17:45] <maco> it used to be 20 people
[17:45] <MarkDude> rww, we need some tequila & foam baseball bats also
[17:45] <czajkowski> also to alternate it so folks dont always have to travel 20 +hrs is nice
[17:46] <pleia2> rww: hahaha
[17:46] <czajkowski> so some times it's a long haul and others it's a 3-4 hr flight
[17:47] <czajkowski> I can understand peoples frustration, but try adn see it from an organisers point, it's damn hard to fit over 300 people into one venue for a week and oragnise flights accomodation, meals trasport for it all
[17:47] <nigelb> I wish there was a UDS in Asia.
[17:47] <MarkDude> rww - dont forget that Chris & Courtney would travel also. They could join the chorus with pleia2 "cant we all just get along
[17:47] <Pendulum> I think part of the idea with Robbie mapping out the release cycles not just for Maverick, but for the next few cycles after that is hopefully they'll know real dates earlier
[17:47] <czajkowski> Pendulum: aye
[17:47] <nigelb> Anywhere.  Dubai.  Singapore.  Muscat.  Malaysia.
[17:47] <Pendulum> before this release cycles have pretty much been mapped out one at a time and not early enough
[17:47] <czajkowski> nigelb: also cost may amount to more to fly in the people there, dont forget to take that into account
[17:48]  * MarkDude ponders filing a *bug* on planning times
[17:48] <Pendulum> nigelb: yeah, people in Asia definitely get the short end of the stick with the travel bit
[17:48] <nigelb> czajkowski: how is that going to cost more?
[17:48] <czajkowski> nigelb: flying say 6 people from those areas to say EU or USA is one amount, flying 300 people there is another matter
[17:48] <nigelb> At least the veneues are going to be cheaper.
[17:48] <maco> nigelb: there was one in australia a few years ago...but that was back when it was 20 people
[17:48] <nigelb> maco: also before it was called UDS
[17:48] <nigelb> It was some Ubuntu Down Under
[17:48] <czajkowski> nigelb: I'm pricing flights atm to NZ, for next year over €3000
[17:48] <nigelb> czajkowski: but NZ ain't Asia.
[17:49] <nigelb> NZ and Aus expensive I agree.
[17:49] <maco> czajkowski: 3000 euro?!
[17:49] <czajkowski> nigelb: I'm just giving you an example as for a flight to fly fro EU to that area
[17:49] <nigelb> Middle East and/or Singapore or Malasia is different.
[17:49] <czajkowski> maco: yes!
[17:49] <maco> flights from US to AU are $1000
[17:49] <maco> same as US to UK
[17:49] <czajkowski> maco: I should look at that combo as I can get a flight for USA for about €600
[17:50] <nigelb> czajkowski: The places I said arn't in *that* area.
[17:50] <Pendulum> maco: we're a lot closer to Australia than Ireland/UK are
[17:50] <czajkowski> nigelb: sigh this conversations happens every single 6 months wiht someone
[17:50] <czajkowski> it will never suit everyone
[17:50] <maco> we need TARDISes
[17:51] <Pendulum> nigelb: I suspect it's concerns about *more* people needing visas and security concerns (I'm fairly certain the US has a "security warning" for just about anywhere in Asia)
[17:51] <nigelb> Pendulum: haha
[17:51] <Pendulum> I'm serious
[17:52] <nigelb> I thought Singapore was famous layover destination.
[17:52] <Pendulum> difference between layover and final destination
[17:52] <nigelb> Its only a week layover :p
[17:52] <Pendulum> and Americans tend to want to stay away from Singapore because of the strict laws
[17:52] <Pendulum> I don't think they're necessarily right with the warnings, but I'm fairly certain they exist
[17:53] <nigelb> Are you confusing Malaysia with Singapore?
[17:53] <nigelb> or am I :/
[17:53]  * nigelb consults wiki
[17:53] <Pendulum> nigelb: no, two differenct statements about 2 different things
[17:54] <Pendulum> the "right about warnings" one was follow-up on my mention of US security BS, and not necessarily applicable to singapore
[17:54] <nigelb> ahh
[18:10] <MarkDude> Either way nigelb I hope you can make it to UDS
[18:14] <nigelb> MarkDude: I hope I don't get kicked.
[18:14] <rww> people can't actually kick you if you never go to UDS :3
[18:14] <rww> unless someone perfected Violence Over IP and didn't tell me
[18:15] <nigelb> rww: LOL
[18:15] <nigelb> Didn't know you had RSS feeds from the devs
[18:16] <czajkowski> throttling over IP works wonders
[18:16] <nigelb> Also, I think most employees who get paid tot take calls would agree that VIOP is expanded as violence over IP
[18:19] <AlanBell> not sure that "violence ftw" is the ideal U-W policy
[18:20] <czajkowski> AlanBell: I never said ftw :)
[18:47] <AlanBell> hugs ftw
[18:47] <rww> ... oops, I forgot /say
[18:47] <rww> /ctcp AlanBell HUG
[19:08] <Pendulum> pleia2: you can haz interview :-)
[19:09] <czajkowski> I haz itchy nose
[19:09] <pleia2> Pendulum: thank you!
[19:09] <nigelb> Storm coming!
[19:09] <Pendulum> pleia2: thank maco!
[19:09] <pleia2> thanks maco! :)
[19:09] <Pendulum> I may have sleep soon
[19:11]  * AlanBell ponders whether to remind Pendulum of something, or let her sleep
[19:11]  * AlanBell decides sleep
[19:12] <Pendulum> AlanBell: I know, I know. I'd just like a brain back first :P
[19:12] <czajkowski> brains come in useful
[19:13] <czajkowski> http://twitgoo.com/1h4exg bed time reading tonight!
[19:13] <Pendulum> czajkowski: is that what you tweeted earlier?
[19:13] <czajkowski> yup
[19:14] <czajkowski> problem is while I read it I start thinking about projects I'm working on and how I can tweek them, not a good idea when I need to sleep


[00:54] <jmarsden> wizzy_: To set up a basic mail server on Ubuntu Karmic, do not "wget" and "unzip" anything!  Just sudo apt-get install dovecot-postfix    # and answer the debconf questions.  It's very very simple.
[01:08] <osmosis> im not really understanding the point of Eucalyptus. Maybe im not finding a good tutorial on it.
[02:54] <owen1> sudo /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart     is this is the command to restart syslog? i deleted /var/log/syslog and I want it back...
[05:04] <wizzy__> i am trying to install  "install.php"  with "php -q install.php" command and i am getting error "php : command not found
[05:08] <wizzy__> hello
[05:11] <jmarsden> wizzy__: Do you have php5-cli installed?
[05:11] <wizzy__> i am trying to install it but i cant
[05:11] <wizzy__> always till "segmentation faulty tree .. 50% and then back to terminal
[05:12] <wizzy__> and php5 not installed
[05:12] <jmarsden> So what happens when you do    sudo apt-get install php5-cli ?   Can you pastebin the full output somewhere I can see it?
[05:13] <wizzy__> "reading package lists ... done   Segmentation faulty tree ... 50%   "
[05:13] <wizzy__> and then nothing , root@ubuntuserver:
[05:13] <jmarsden> wizzy__: OK, so your apt database is unhappy.   Try apt-get -f install    # with nothing after the install.
[05:14] <wizzy__> same thing
[05:17] <jmarsden> wizzy__: Wow, it's *really* unhappy.  Do you know when this started, or what you might have done to cause it?
[05:19] <wizzy_> ok i am back
 wizzy__: Wow, it's *really* unhappy.  Do you know when this started, or what you might have done to cause it?
[05:20] <wizzy_> nothing eventualy
[05:20] <wizzy_> its fresh install ,
[05:21] <wizzy_> only think i did was to setup apache2
[05:21] <jmarsden> wizzy_: Then the simple thing to do could be to do another fresh install... something is *wrong* with that apt database.
[05:21] <jmarsden> I
[05:21] <jmarsden> I'm not enough of an expert to know exactly how to go about fixing it.
[05:22] <wizzy_> ok thank you
[05:22] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[05:23] <wizzy_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1010569
[05:23] <jmarsden> OK, well, I suppose you can try   sudo rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin   and see if it works for you.
[05:23] <wizzy_> WORKS
[05:24] <wizzy_> ;)
[05:24] <jmarsden> Cool :)
[05:25] <wizzy_> hihi
[05:27] <wizzy_> hih
[05:27] <wizzy_> did you ever use ispconfig?
[06:48] <Determinist> i'm trying to install sun-java6-jdk using a bash script on several remote machines but i keep running into the same problem: certain packages bring up a manual confirmation dialog during installation and i can't seem to find a way to override this behavior (aptitude -y doesn't help, obviously). any ideas?
[06:50] <Determinist> nada?
[06:51] <jmarsden> Determinist: if the dialog is from debconf you can preseed the question concerned.  if not... you'd have to look at exactly what the installer script is doing.
[06:51] <Determinist> jmarsden: preseed = ? and how would i know this?
[06:53] <jmarsden> Determinist: Read the Ubuntu Installation Guide.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/installation-guide/i386/preseed-using.html for example
[06:53] <Determinist> jmarsden: ty
[06:53] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[07:00] <Determinist> jmarsden: may seem silly, but i actually figured out what i need to pass (parameters), but i have no idea how (after reading that guide above). how do i actually pass 'preseed --owner sun-java6-jdk shared/accepted-sun-dlj-v1-1 boolean true' to aptitude (or am i being silly) ?
[07:01] <jmarsden> I'm not sure you pass it to aptitude.  You set it in the debconf database.  I'm no expert on preseeding, I just know it exists for things like this...
[07:02] <jmarsden> See if man 7 debconf     # sheds any light on how all this works.
[07:02] <Determinist> ok, thanks
[07:08] <Determinist> this isn't going to be simple. is it?
[07:09] <Roxyhart0> hi, how i can know which kind of array i got?
[07:09] <Roxyhart0> array disk
[07:11] <Roxyhart0> how i can create disk array from line command
[07:13] <jmarsden> Determinist: Probably not.
[07:13] <Determinist> jmarsden: getting somewhere with dpkg --set-selections
[07:13] <jmarsden> Roxyhart0: cat /proc/mdstat will show you what Software RAID arrays you currently have running.  Is that what you mean?
[07:14] <Roxyhart0> no doesn't show me nothing and is weird
[07:15] <Roxyhart0> beacuse when i install (start with cd ) i installed the array disks
[07:15] <Roxyhart0> I mean the array that i did when i installed, i am usind a HP server
[07:16] <Roxyhart0> i got just it: Personalities :
[07:16] <Roxyhart0> unused devices: <none>
[07:21] <jmarsden> "Installed the array disks"?  What do you mean?  Does your server have a hardware RAID controller you are using?
[07:21] <Roxyhart0> yes
[07:22] <jmarsden> Then /proc/mdstat does not show those, it shows Software RAID (not Hardware RAID).
[07:22] <Roxyhart0> no :(
[07:22] <jmarsden> To see the status of hardware RAID arrays you must use whatever utility is for that controller.
[07:23] <Roxyhart0> i used the HP tool before install ubuntu, and when i was installing ubuntu, it shows me the array
[07:23] <Roxyhart0> but now i cant see
[07:23] <sub> can't see what?
[07:24] <jmarsden> See if you can find your RAID controller listed on http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins  and use whatever utility works with it.
[07:24] <sub> HPs SmartArrays usually end up like /dev/cciss/c0d0 or something
[07:25] <Determinist> jmarsden: got it :D
[07:25] <Determinist> jmarsden: debconf-utils
[07:25] <jmarsden> Determinist: Cool :)
[07:25] <Determinist> jmarsden: thanks for the guidance. didn't even know where to begin :)
[07:26] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[07:26]  * jmarsden installs debconf-utils ... :)
[07:26] <sub> Roxyhart0: Are you trying to mount the array or are you trying to see the configuration?
[07:26] <Roxyhart0> see the configuration an then create LVM
[07:27] <sub> if it's an HP server you can reboot and configure the RAID arrays via the ROM-based utility at boot
[07:27] <Roxyhart0> but i think jmarsen is right..because i am using smart array. Do you know doc about this kind of tips using HP server with ubuntu?. PD. tahns very much jmarsen, you are always very kind
[07:28] <Roxyhart0> and thanks as well sub
[07:28] <jmarsden> Roxyhart0: You're welcome.
[07:29] <sub> Roxyhart0: Do you see anything when you do: ls -al /dev/cciss/
[07:34] <Roxyhart0> yes, i just see that
[07:34] <Roxyhart0> i didnt know this is the "name" using HP
[07:46] <Roxyhart0> question which kind of format is better for data? xfs or ext?
[07:51] <qman__> ext3 is historically more reliable, xfs can suffer total data loss if your system crashes or loses power suddenly
[07:51] <Roxyhart0> thanks for that, i will use ext3
[07:51] <qman__> if you use xfs, make sure you use a stable configuration with a UPS
[07:52] <Roxyhart0> what could be the benefit using xfs?
[07:52] <qman__> xfs offers some performance benefits, particularly with larger files
[07:53] <Roxyhart0> i think i prefare something reliable, even if is could be slower
[07:53] <qman__> for important data, I agree
[07:53] <qman__> ext3 has been very reliable for me in the past, and even when I've had some corruption, generally the errors are recoverable with minimal data loss
[07:54] <Roxyhart0> yes, i had also a experience before i could reocver just ext3 but the partition which was xfs i couldnt. I thought was just casuality
[10:15] <Roxyhart0> hi any experience with ext4? is better than ext3 and realiable?
[12:41] <Roxyhart0> alo
[13:25] <Roxyhart0> hi someone have doc how to install samba domain member on ubuntu?
[14:18] <Roxyhart08> hi when i do net rpc join i got an error:  NT_STATUS_CONNECTION_REFUSED
[14:18] <Roxyhart08> any idea?
[16:06] <\sh> dear vmbuilder pros, which action is executed first after OS installation: --exec or --copy?
[16:12] <a1fa> yellow
[16:13] <a1fa> i am trying to boot the iso from a usb drive
[16:13] <a1fa> i get to the point where it is supposed to map a cdrom and scan it, but it says no cdrom exist
[16:14] <a1fa> my grub settings are
[16:14] <a1fa> find --set-root /ubuntu.iso
[16:14] <a1fa> map /ubuntu.iso
[16:15] <a1fa> root
[16:15] <a1fa> kernel /install/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu-server.seed ..
[16:15] <a1fa> not to bore you
[16:47] <mboehm> i want to change /dev/ttyS0 group with udev rules to "nut" but it does not work
[16:51] <mboehm> created a rule file in /etc/udev/rules.d with KERNEL=="ttyS0", GROUP="nut"
[16:51] <mboehm> what can be wrong?
[17:11] <mdeslaur> kirkland: I'm getting a FTBFS with libvirt as the new uuid-dev package doesn't contain libuuid.la anymore. Have you looked at this yet?
[17:21] <\sh> hmm...something's wrong with kvm not starting up when using --part
[18:04] <wizzy_> hello people
[18:05] <Callum__> hi =P
[18:16] <wizzy_> i want to host website and phpbb forum on one server
[18:16] <wizzy_> website is working
[18:17] <wizzy_> now how to configure server to show phpbb forum site?
[18:21] <bageera> if you have php working then all you have to is extract the phpbb files in your webdir
[18:21] <bageera> and configure phpbb
[18:22] <wizzy_> yes but example1.com is website and example2.com is forum site
[18:23] <bageera> then extract phpbb files into example2.com and the forum site will load up by default once its configured properly
[18:24] <wizzy_> i got phpbb with apt-get
[18:24] <bageera> ah
[18:25] <wizzy_> i am removing it
[18:25] <bageera> run a search and see what directory the files were put into
[18:27] <wizzy_> can i open bz2 in ubuntu?
[18:28] <bageera> yup
[18:28] <bageera> use the j switch when running tar
[18:28] <bageera> instead of z
[18:28] <wizzy_> ok
[18:34] <wizzy_> ok so i got it into its own folder
[18:34] <wizzy_> now how to start installation?
[18:34] <wizzy_> ....php -g install.php
[18:45] <bageera> go to that page from the browser
[18:46] <wizzy_> i forgot to do vhosts
[18:46] <bageera> if I'm not mistaken there may be one or two things that need to be changed on the system but everything else can be done through the browser
[18:51] <wizzy_> How is it ServerAlias or ServerAllias?
[18:51] <bageera> the first one
[18:51] <wizzy_> with single L
[18:59] <bageera> yes single l
[19:20] <tzabar> söker php kodare, ngn intresserad...? korta uppdrag...
[19:21] <guntbert> tzabar: wrong channel ? :)
[19:22] <tzabar> hum... vilken r den rätta...
[19:27] <guntbert> !english | tzabar
[19:27] <tzabar> sorry
[19:28] <guntbert> tzabar: np - what was that lanuguage? swedish?
[19:29] <tzabar> yes
[19:29] <guntbert> !se | tzabar might help :)
[19:30] <tzabar> ok tack
[19:32] <monk> evening
[19:32] <monk> anyone help me configure a network to be a gateway?
[19:42] <wizzy_> how do i change permissions of chae/:??
[19:42] <wizzy_> cache:/
[19:46] <Zider> I have an issue with cryptdisks.. all the disks I unlock gets both foo and foo_unformatted in /dev/mapper. as I understand it, the _unformatted are temps or something, but shouldn't they go away then?
[19:49] <wizzy_> i am trying to install phpbb3
[19:49] <wizzy_> and i need to change permissions  of cache/: files/: store/:
[19:50] <wizzy_> but there are none in my server
[20:06] <wizzy_> how to change permissions on /var/www/website?
[20:09] <guntbert> wizzy_: you might want to read some of the next links
[20:09] <guntbert> !cli
[20:10] <guntbert> https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/
[20:11] <guntbert> !tldp
[22:02] <MTecknology> Any ideas how to display a heartbeat page?
[22:02] <MTecknology> I want to make one server show uptime for all other servers..
[22:03] <MTecknology> publicly..
[22:26] <KurtKraut> MTecknology, are you sure this is a valuable data to publice? Usually you have to hire/rent another company to make the mesurements and publicize it for you.
[22:26] <KurtKraut> MTecknology, because they'd be neutral and wouldn't hide downtimes
[22:30] <sub> I understand the point you are trying to make, but I disagree with the statement that they would be neutral -- You are paying them after all
[22:30] <sub> :-)
[22:30] <MTecknology> KurtKraut: I just thought it would be something fun to show.
[22:31] <KurtKraut> sub, but their business depends on the reliability they can provide. A single 'scandal' would put them out of business.
[22:32] <sub> In monitoring you have all sorts of thresholds and ways of weeding out "false positives" that would make it really easy to say "Due to technical limitations, we weren't able to report the downtime until N minutes after the incident"
[22:33] <sub> However, usually, these hired/outsourced monitoring companies report the outages directly to the company paying them and not their customers
[22:34] <sub> MTecknology: If you're just doing it for giggles or for fun, I'd recommend you look into an interpretted language that can be used easily for web development
[22:34] <sub> Whether that's Python, Ruby, PHP, Perl, or some other thing is up to you
[22:35] <sub> I'm sure there are already freely-downloadable solutions for all of the languages I listed above
[22:36] <sub> Otherwise you can set up a full monitoring package using Zabbix, Nagios, or some other software
[22:40] <sherringham> www.pingdom.com :-)
[22:40] <MTecknology> sub: my idea was a little php page and a cron task @reboot
[23:07] <Roxyhart0> hi somebody knows about any doc about how to join my domain member serber to the PDC, includyng any configuration for that?
[23:15] <jmarsden> Roxyhart0: Please, *please* read the Ubuntu Server Guide.  For this, see https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/likewise-open.html
[23:22] <peepsalot> i had a software raid 5 setup on a box where I just upgraded the motherboard.  since swapping out the motherboar it does not recognize my raid array.  i think this is due to the drive numbers changing.  does someone know what I must do to correct this?
[23:23] <peepsalot> i am reading the mdadm manual, but confused on what exactly needs to be done.  I think i need to --assemble? using mdadm --assemble --scan doesn't seem to do anything
[23:24] <ujjain> is this a never-ever offtopic channel?
[23:24] <peepsalot> likewise, mdadm --manage doesn't seem to do anything either
[23:24] <ujjain> "Not only am I in a meat market, I'm the chopped liver." << what does this mean? Sorry, I am not English.
[23:25] <peepsalot> they both just give another command prompt with no output
[23:26] <myjimmyweb> hello, completely new to ubuntu server, trying to get a LAMP server going, followed the perfect server guide from howtoforge
[23:26] <myjimmyweb> only problem is that now my dns isn't working
[23:27] <ujjain> mijimmyweb: did you check the logs? can you telnet to udp 53?
[23:27] <ujjain> what port is dns?
[23:28] <myjimmyweb> oofta, i ssh into it with putty, hmm, trying to set up a dyndns setup
[23:28] <myjimmyweb> idk, basically it all works if i access it with my local ip, but not with the myjimmyweb.homeftp.net
[23:28] <ujjain> So you are not running our own dns server.
[23:29] <ujjain> What happens if you ping to the homeftp?
[23:29] <ujjain> correct ip?
[23:29] <ujjain> Maybe your router forwarding settings are incorrect.
[23:29] <myjimmyweb> that's what i'm thinking
[23:29] <myjimmyweb> do i have to open a port on my router?
[23:29] <myjimmyweb> for the server's ip address?
[23:30] <ujjain> What is your server's ip? please give me the first 3 digits, e.g. 192.168.1.
[23:31] <ujjain> I mean, that's an internal ip and would explain the problem.
[23:31] <myjimmyweb> 192.168.1
[23:31] <ujjain> Ok, that's it.
[23:31] <ujjain> You go to http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[23:32] <myjimmyweb> yeah, that's my router
[23:32] <ujjain> type the login details, maybe admin/password, user/user.
[23:32] <myjimmyweb> yeah yeah
[23:32] <myjimmyweb> i'm in my router
[23:32] <ujjain> go to forwarding settings or dmz
[23:32] <myjimmyweb> but i'm not sure what port to forward
[23:32] <ujjain> and make sure all requests, or port 80 (web), is sent to that ip, e.g. <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:32] <myjimmyweb> cool
[23:32] <myjimmyweb> let's try that
[23:32] <ujjain> and make sure the homeftp DNS is sent to your real external ip, and not internal.
[23:33] <ujjain> www.whatsmyip.com might give your ip.
[23:33] <ujjain> no, that's spam
[23:33] <myjimmyweb> yeah, dyndns has it set up
[23:33] <ujjain> http://whatismyipaddress.com/
[23:33] <ujjain> the ip at that location?
[23:33] <ujjain> or your 192.168 ip?
[23:33] <myjimmyweb> yeah
[23:33] <myjimmyweb> no it's my external
[23:34] <myjimmyweb> in ISPConfig, myDNS-Server is "oFfline"
[23:34] <ujjain> http://external ip should work
[23:34] <ujjain> if http://internal ip works.
[23:34] <ujjain> you don't need dns-server if you use homeftp.net's dns service.
[23:34] <myjimmyweb> ok
[23:35] <myjimmyweb> plugging my external in works
[23:35] <myjimmyweb> i get the It Works! site
[23:35] <ujjain> Great! Well done!
[23:36] <myjimmyweb> just not when i plug in my name
[23:36] <myjimmyweb> myjimmyweb.homeftp.net
[23:37] <ujjain> does your ip start with 24?
[23:37] <myjimmyweb> hah, yeah
[23:38] <ujjain> I dont think it's correctly redirecting the port 80 traffic.
[23:38] <myjimmyweb> hah, yo utry going to my external?
[23:39] <ujjain> I did.
[23:39] <ujjain> It does not work.
[23:39] <myjimmyweb> hmm
[23:39] <myjimmyweb> try once more, i disable and renable the port 80
[23:39] <myjimmyweb> plugging my external in works for me
[23:39] <myjimmyweb> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[23:40] <Roxyhart0> somebody has a doc how to install a domain member and join to the PDC, i am getting error: NT_STATUS_CONNECTION_REFUSED
[23:40] <Roxyhart0> any idea?
[23:40] <ujjain> myjimmyweb: it does not work here.
[23:41] <ujjain> http://www.rexswain.com/httpview.html
[23:41] <ujjain> See for yourself
[23:41] <ujjain> Do you have any other firewalls? Or routers?
[23:41] <ujjain> You should set your DMZ, which forwards all ports, that's easier.
[23:42] <ujjain> And less secure, but hopefully nobody's reading.
[23:43] <myjimmyweb> i have no other firewalls or routers
[23:44] <sub> http://www.ntcompatible.com/thread24048-1.html
[23:44] <ujjain> I am not sure how to help you.
[23:44] <ujjain> Try to disable your firewall at home for a few minutes.
[23:44] <myjimmyweb> once i disable port forwarding on port 80, i wasn't able to access the site from my external IP, but once enabled i was again
[23:44] <sarthor> Hi, I configured PPPoE-server with the help of http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=291926 , as this url says that you have to add each user as a regular users to your linux, Like , "adduser xyz" it create the home directory also each time. I dont want to add users like this , just wanna add users to pap or chat file in /etc/ppp/ directory, How can i? Need help please
[23:45] <ujjain> myjimmyweb: maybe it's a firewall like zonealarm
[23:45] <myjimmyweb> don't use that junk
[23:45] <ujjain> or even iptables ^^
[23:45] <sub> your ISP could be blocking the port
[23:45] <ujjain> I beleive there is a firewall by default.
[23:45] <ujjain> Could be ISP too yes.
[23:45] <sub> Trying moving it to a higher-numbered port, update your port forwards, and see if it works
[23:45] <ujjain> Check out iptables --list.
[23:46] <ujjain> You can use multiple ports right? e.g. Port 80 8008
[23:46] <myjimmyweb> hmm, yes
[23:50] <myjimmyweb> well ujjain, i'll try this again some other time
[23:50] <myjimmyweb> might post something, but thanx for your help
[23:51] <sarthor> Hi, I configured PPPoE-server with the help of http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=291926 , as this url says that you have to add each user as a regular users to your linux, Like , "adduser xyz" it create the home directory also each time. I dont want to add users like this , just wanna add users to pap or chat file in /etc/ppp/ directory, How can i? Need help please
[23:58] <Roxyhart0> hi, how i can know if i have my firewall running?


[22:32] <usr13> schultza: Now that is just the way I would do it, I don't really know if it is good or bad, just seems to me to be easiest.
[22:33] <Vyse007> usr13: Its also the way I setup in my lab, so I know its easy and efficient.
[22:34] <usr13> Vyse007: Well yea.  Makes sense to me.
[22:34] <hassen> OLEEEEY
[22:34] <schultza> Vyse007: Is there a recommend way or any ideas for me to setting up NFS?
[22:34] <Vyse007> schultza: I thought you were gonna set up samba??
[22:34] <k1l_> hassen: would you mind keeping this channel clear for support? we have #ubuntu-offtopic for non support chatting
[22:34] <fedgalaxy> hello everyone, i have a specif question about "cupsd  pid=6984     tcp4:<IP_ADDRESS>:631" status : listening. why i cant forcibly kill the pid=6984 and why it is listening? how do i completely kill it?
[22:35] <schultza> We are currently running Samba.
[22:35] <schultza> The problem is when Linux tries browsing by name or even netbios info, is where I have issues. By IP is no problem.
[22:36] <tripelb> are my questions just too simple for you guys? I used to be able to get helphere but times have changed.
[22:37] <Vyse007> schultza: Personally I used this link (http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/server.html) in the past, its decent help.
[22:37] <fedgalaxy> I have a specif question about "cupsd  pid=6984     tcp4:<IP_ADDRESS>:631" status : listening. why i cant forcibly kill the pid=6984 and why it is listening? how do i completely kill it?
[22:37] <schultza> tripelb: I think there is a way. I just don't know how to do it at the moment.
[22:38] <schultza> tripelb: Have you set the preferred network to be "preferred to connect to?"
[22:38] <mex0101> what up, kennt wer ein gute opensource lösung für web back office ? zum managen meiner vertriebspartner und deren provisionen in form einer webapp ?
[22:38] <MonkeyDust> !de
[22:38] <Vyse007> !patience|fedgalaxy
[22:38] <schultza> fedgalaxy: Is there a program/script/setting to automatically start cups when it's not running?
[22:38] <tripelb> thanks schultza
[22:38] <usr13> schultza: For NFS on the server side, edit /etc/exports with line:  /path/to/share <IP_ADDRESS>/24(rw)  And on the [linux] client, edit /etc/fstab with line:  /home/schultz/nfs-files nfs nolock,users,rw
[22:39] <fedgalaxy> sorry guys,  i didnt know that i must first wait. next time i will be patient. I am truly sorry
[22:39] <schultza> tripelb: Did you find it?
[22:39] <BobJonkman1> For those still following my question about apt-get recommends: I found in the file '/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99update-notifier' the line 'APT::Install-Recommends "false";' which is why neither suggests nor recommends were installing for me.  Q: Is that file a normal thing to have?
[22:39] <tripelb> I didnt used to have a here and then not wifi so it never came up.
[22:39] <Vyse007> fedgalaxy: I am no expert on CUPS, but shouldnt cups conf file have some options on what to listen?
[22:39] <tripelb> schultza, where does one set that?
[22:39] <schultza> usr13: Ok. So setup NFS clients to use the share mounted. Ok.
[22:39] <schultza> tripelb: Hang on moment.
[22:39] <schultza> s/on/one
[22:40] <fedgalaxy> Vyse007 : 6984/cupsd , the only information that I have found on the internet was CUPSD is for printers.
[22:40] <usr13> schultza: And then restart nfs:  sudo service nfs-kernel-server restart
[22:41] <fedgalaxy> Vyse007 : plus i didnt find the conf file for cuspd under usr/sbin dir
[22:41] <usr13> schultza: You should edit to suit your needs, such as rw or ro as you see fit, and share with only part of the lan or just one IP or a couple IPs etc. etc.
[22:41] <schultza> tripelb: Under Edit Connections for the wireless network you want, there is a "General" tab with an option to "Automatically connect to this network when it is available." Make sure other networks do not have checked when in the vicinity of those other networks.
[22:41] <tripelb> schultza, I just deleted all the others. let's see if thta persists through a reboot. Last night my computer suggested I might want to reboot "if I have further problems" so it might come up.
[22:42] <tripelb> schultza, I do not have a General" Tab
[22:43] <tripelb> fyi
[22:43] <schultza> Left click the network icon in the top right. Click Edit Connections.
[22:44] <schultza> Select the network you want to edit, and click edit. There you should see a "General" Tab.
[22:44] <Vyse007> fedgalaxy: By default, cups will always listens on the loopback interface (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[22:44] <tripelb> schultza, I do not have a General" Tab -- but I will uncheck a certain button on each of the others if they show up again.  You can always remove it from the boot and see if that works.
[22:45] <schultza> tripelb: oh. what version do you have again?
[22:45] <fedgalaxy> Vyse007 : why i cant kill the process to end the listening, and why it is by default. To handle printers? i dont have one
[22:45] <schultza> tripelb: Sorry, I'm currently running 13.10.
[22:46] <schultza> tripelb: I will have to download the latest LTS to see what it looks like in LTS.
[22:46] <Vyse007> fedgalaxy: If you don't need printing, just disable it from startup. Thats it.
[22:47] <fedgalaxy> Vyse007 : hey man, i found the cupsd.conf file; it is said "# Only listen for connections from the local machine."
[22:47] <Vyse007> fedgalaxy: like i said, by default it will listen on the loopback interface
[22:47] <Vyse007> just remove it from startup if you dont need it
[22:47] <Vyse007> do you know how to do that?
[22:48] <fedgalaxy> Vyse007 : where can i find the startup (12.04 LTS)
[22:49] <Vyse007> fedgalaxy: are you familiar with the terminal?
[22:49] <fedgalaxy> Vyse007 : of course
[22:49] <Vyse007> then just use this command: sudo update-rc.d -f cups remove
[22:49] <Vyse007> Then reboot
[22:50] <fedgalaxy> Vyse007 : (i thought the startup had an interface)
[22:50] <fedgalaxy> Vyse007 : ok thanks, will do sir
[22:52] <Vyse007> fedgalaxy: It does have an interface, but I havent used a DE in a while, so I don't really remember it too well.
[22:53] <tripelb> schultza, what happens when it tries is I have ended up with a set of 30 items in the panel and I have to choose each and close them and OK a dialog box to get rid of them.
[22:53] <tripelb> fyi
[22:53] <fedgalaxy> Vyse007: yeah it does, i will look that up on the ubuntu forums
[22:54] <mr_thuy> hi
[22:54] <Vyse007> fedgalaxy: just follow the commands first and see if that solves your problems.
[22:54] <schultza> tripelb: Wireless is designed to connect to the best wireless network (signal strength). According to that method, it will bother you if there are other wireless networks that have better signal strength than the one you are connected to. Still booting to LTS, hang on.
[22:55] <fedgalaxy> Vyse007: I will of course
[22:56] <schultza> Ok. I'm having problems booting to Ubuntu LTS in a virtual machine. I've enabled 3d acceleration, already. It's not giving me the desktop. What was that kernel option to get the GUI working again?
[22:57] <bish0p_> is there anything I can apt-get to unpack .rar files?
[22:57] <anon12> How do I use mpc to connect to a server running mpd and create a playlist on the server?
[22:58] <schultza> ah, nomodeset.. ok.. continuing
[22:58] <greg`> i cant complete my update, software updater is saying i dont have required priviliges!
[22:58] <xangua> bish0p_: sudo apt-get install rar unrar
[22:58] <greg`> anyone else seen this?
[22:58] <greg`> or does anyone know how to run software updater from the command line
[22:58] <bish0p_> xangua, thank you
[22:59] <Helasraizam> Hey guys, I installed Ubuntu on my laptop and upgraded.  Now when I log in all I see is a black screen and a mouse cursor.
[23:00] <Beldar> !nomodeset | Helasraizam try this
[23:01] <Beldar> Helasraizam, You may need to reload graphic drivers, this is a low graphic boot to hopefully get you a desktop.
[23:03] <Helasraizam> Thanks Beldar, be back soon
[23:03] <Beldar> Helasraizam, Make sure as well that you specify this upgrade as in the distro or an upgrade to a distro, and any details relevant such as graphic Hardware, the release and desktop.
[23:05] <MindRip> Hi all, need help with corrupted files transferred from linux to windows partition ?
[23:05] <Helasraizam> Upgrade in distro, Ubuntu 13.10 (on gpt with UEFI), Lenovo Z710 with optimus and GeForce GT 745M
[23:05] <Beldar> !details | MindRip
[23:07] <roger_> hi
[23:10] <Beldar> Helasraizam, here is a google search, seems better to give you this as it has multiple hits, notice in general the askubuntu support sources. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=13.10+optimus&btnG=&gbv=1&sei=eU2mUvvYOsj8oATbtoLoDA
[23:13] <Beldar> MindRip, Can you give the channel a picture of your problem?
[23:14] <ookami_yiff> wer auf seine hündin steht, pm an mich ;)
[23:21] <mex01xo> someone knows a free or opensource Multi Level Network Marketing (MLM) system ? need something like this for my startup
[23:22] <MindRip> OS: elementaryOS (ubuntu 12.04) copy files using nautilus GUI, original files seem ok on linux, but frequently end up corrupted on windows
[23:23] <zykotick9> MindRip: elementaryos isn't supported in #ubuntu, perhaps try finding/asking in an elementaryos channel.  see "/msg ubottu alis" for a method of searching for channels.
[23:23] <k1l_> MindRip: please ask elementaryOS support since they use different filebrowsers etc
[23:24] <MindRip> ok sorry peeps, tried there with no joy, so i came here ill try again
[23:29] <anon12> How do I use mpc to connect to a server running mpd and create a playlist on the server?
[23:32] <g0nz0w> I have been trying to install the netflix-desktop, but even tho it appears to complete and gives me an icon, nothing starts. Any thots?
[23:34] <schultza> tripelb: is the "Connect automatically (above the tabs) check for that and only that wireless network of the ones "SAVED" in your edit connections area (for wireless)?
[23:34] <Beldar> g0nz0w, Have you installed via wine or adding a ppa?
[23:35] <schultza> tripelb: This screen will change in later versions of Ubuntu. 12.10 changed it, it hasnt changed since 12.10.
[23:35] <g0nz0w> Beldar: added ppa
[23:36] <Beldar> g0nz0w, Cool, I do not use netflix myself so I don't have any fix info, just confirming the install. Have you looked on askubuntu for any other having a problem?
[23:38] <Beldar> g0nz0w, The release your running and desktop is probably pertinent here as well.
[23:39] <Beldar> g0nz0w, Here is a askubuntu general search, not specific to your release. http://askubuntu.com/search?q=netflix
[23:44] <bish0p_> How do I open the graphical file system as root?
[23:44] <bish0p_> Like, drag and drop
[23:44] <buu> What is the graphical file system?
[23:44] <buu> And why are you root?
[23:45] <k1l_> bish0p_: the qeustion is: what do you want to do and is there a better solution for it?
[23:45] <bish0p_> I need root to copy some fonts into wine, but it won't let me copy anything to bin without root.
[23:45] <ddd> never run Xorg as root
[23:45] <bish0p_> And I have NO CLUE how command line copy and paste works
[23:46] <ddd> you don't copy and paste. you learn how 'cp' works. in your shell, type: man cp  or  help cp
[23:46] <k1l_> bish0p_: "cp" is the command for copy and copies files. "mv" moves the files to the target
[23:46] <ddd> read carefully
[23:46] <bish0p_> alright, thank you
[23:49] <bish0p_> sweet I did it! Thanks!
[23:51] <Helasraizam> Thanks Beldar, solid progress! http://askubuntu.com/questions/367499/black-screen-problem-after-removing-bumblebee
[23:51] <Helasraizam> I'll try it with bumblebee and go from there
[23:52] <Beldar> Helasraizam, Cool, hope you get it going. ;)
[23:54] <g0nz0w> Beldar: thanks for your help. I'm trying to find the fix, but Beldar this may be futile. Just trying to get a media setup for the kids, but Windows was so much easier
[23:55] <Beldar> g0nz0w, I understand.
[23:56] <g0nz0w> actually I'm running peppermint three but asking here because the peppermint room is empty and I thought that ubuntu would be the same
[23:57] <phong_> hi guys
[23:57] <waykool> just did cleqn instqll ubuntu studio v twelv O four dot four LTS: added french as second keyboard: in studio ten dot O four; i set left win key as szitch fro, english to french; in XFCE; ~where² is the Option to add that''' question ,ark:::
[23:58] <Beldar> g0nz0w, In general we don't support peppermint here only ubuntu, however you are here as of now, you can contact the person who owns the ppa as well maybe if you want to go that far.
[23:59] <Helasraizam> hahaha azerty!  I think the default key to switch keyboard languages is super+space (start menu button+space) or alt+shift--try those and see if the keyboard is normal again?
[23:59] <Helasraizam> The square in your upper menu bar that says "Fr" should help change it


[00:24] <drab> the only thing that bugs me about unattended upgrades is when the job is running at the same time I need to run ansible and any apt related task fails because of the lock
[00:25] <drab> that's quite annoying, then I have to wait for it to finish
[00:25] <drab> I'll probably remove it once I have ansible running nightly
[00:49] <nacc> drab: yeah that can get frustrating :)
[06:06] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:43] <dduvnjak> is there any way to simulate a dpkg lock on /var/lib/dpkg/lock? something like run an apt-get command that will wait and leave the file locked
[08:53] <friendlyguy> morning! i am wondering where to install grub in a software raid 1
[08:55] <friendlyguy> i am currently in the setup wizzard and just got asked where to install grub... and to be honest... i dont know :)
[08:55] <friendlyguy> one of the member disks... feels wrong
[08:59] <lordievader> Is it hardware raid or software?
[08:59] <friendlyguy> software
[09:00] <friendlyguy> and giving both devices to the wizzard results in a error
[09:00] <lordievader> Then all the members of the raid.
[09:00] <lordievader> Yeah, the installer is not very intelligent. You probably want to select one and do the rest manually.
[09:00] <friendlyguy> i tried to enter /dev/sda together with /dev/sdb but this results in a fatal error
[09:00] <friendlyguy> ah, ok
[09:02] <friendlyguy> even choosing a single one doesnt work
[09:04] <friendlyguy> and also not via the shell
[09:04] <friendlyguy> grub-installer fails
[09:04] <friendlyguy> /dev/sda/proc not a directory
[09:05] <friendlyguy> ah, i think i need the --root-directory option
[09:07] <friendlyguy> not available
[09:07] <friendlyguy> grrrreat :)
[09:07] <friendlyguy> what to do now?
[09:10] <ikonia> what exactly are you trying to do
[09:11] <ikonia> as things like /dev/sda/proc make no sense
[09:11] <friendlyguy> yup, but this is what grub-installer gives when i run "grub-installer /dev/sda"
[09:11] <friendlyguy> same for sdb
[09:11] <friendlyguy> it seems like i cant install grub
[09:12] <friendlyguy> i am still in the setup wizzard of ubuntu
[09:12] <friendlyguy> i tried to install grub to one of the two member disks of a software raid1
[09:13] <friendlyguy> (i also tried to install it to both with "grub-installer /dev/sda /dev/sdb")
[09:13] <friendlyguy> but nothing seems to work
[09:13] <friendlyguy> also selecting the disks in the ncurses gui (the wizzard is a ncurses gui, right?) does not work
[09:15] <friendlyguy> i also read: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID
[09:15] <friendlyguy> but the command "grub-install" isnt available during install
[09:17] <ikonia> why are you trying to install grub
[09:17] <ikonia> what is the actual problem here ?
[09:17] <friendlyguy> i want the system to be able to boot?
[09:17] <ikonia> why is it not booting
[09:17] <friendlyguy> its a fresh system
[09:17] <ikonia> right, why is it not booting
[09:17] <friendlyguy> i suppose it wont without grub
[09:18] <friendlyguy> i am still in the installer, so i didnt actually try
[09:18] <ikonia> the installer will install grub
[09:18] <friendlyguy> where?
[09:18] <friendlyguy> how?
[09:18] <ikonia> why are you manually installing grub
[09:18] <ikonia> the installer installs grub and configures it as part of the install
[09:18] <ikonia> just follow the installer and when it reboots at the end, grub is there
[09:18] <friendlyguy> because selecting one of the two member disks of the software raid1 does not work
[09:19] <ikonia> define doesn't work
[09:21] <friendlyguy> "install the grub bootloader on a hard disk" -> install grub to the mbr? - yes -> device for bootloader installation: - /dev/sda -> force grub installation to the efi removable media path?" - no -> "executing "grub-install /dev/sda" failed". this is a fatal error
[09:22] <friendlyguy> sda as well as sdb are member of a software raid1 (mdadm, not some pseudo hardware raid stuff)
[09:22] <friendlyguy> (nor real hardware raid)
[09:23] <ikonia> are you selecting sda/sdb for the grub install, or is the installer suggesting them
[09:23] <friendlyguy> i am selecting
[09:23] <ikonia> does it not offer the meta device
[09:23] <friendlyguy> nope
[09:24] <ikonia> so what does it offer
[09:24] <friendlyguy> sda sdb and my flashdrive
[09:25] <friendlyguy> (flashdrive==install stick)
[09:25] <ikonia> so is sda %100 the hard disk and not been reordered to be the hard disk
[09:25] <ikonia> to be the Usb disk sorry
[09:25] <friendlyguy> yes it is
[09:25] <ikonia> it is the hard disk ?
[09:25] <friendlyguy> shows the type (samsung-ssd) next to it
[09:26] <ikonia> (just to clarify)
[09:26] <ikonia> ok
[09:26] <ikonia> you'll need to get the logs of what it thinks is failing
[09:26] <ikonia> as the raid device actually started
[09:26] <friendlyguy> where can i get them?
[09:27] <ikonia> sorry, my typing is shocking
[09:27] <ikonia> is the raid device actually started
[09:27] <friendlyguy> i guess
[09:27] <friendlyguy> system setup went fine
[09:27] <friendlyguy> i have lvm on top of the raid, this worked fine as well
[09:28] <friendlyguy> maybe my first try with /dev/sda as well as /dev/sdb fucked it up
[09:28] <ikonia> so can you see the meta device running currentyly
[09:29] <ikonia> friendlyguy: please don';t swear, there is no need for it
[09:29] <ikonia> a failed grub install will not break anything
[09:29] <ikonia> so I doubt that has caused you a problem
[09:29] <friendlyguy> okay
[09:29] <friendlyguy> how can i verify if its running correctly?
[09:29] <ikonia> look at the status of the meta devices
[09:31] <friendlyguy> /proc/mdstat shows md0 as active with sda as well as sdb
[09:32] <friendlyguy> ah, sda1 and sdb1
[09:32] <ikonia> ok, so thats good, so if you apply to md0 it should filter to sda and sdb
[09:32] <ikonia> however if it's not offering you that option thats a problem
[09:32] <ikonia> manually applying to /dev/sda and /dev/sdb should work fine too
[09:32] <friendlyguy> like grub-installer /dev/md0?
[09:33] <ikonia> friendlyguy: well no, you shouldn't really do that, the installer should offer it
[09:33] <friendlyguy> ok, and if it doenst? :)
[09:33] <friendlyguy> applying to sda and sdb doenst work either
[09:33] <ikonia> thats why I said you need to understand why the application to /dev/sda and /dev/sdb is not working
[09:33] <ikonia> what's causing that problem
[09:34] <friendlyguy> if i run grub-installer /dev/sda (or sdb) it fives /dev/sda/proc not a directory
[09:34] <ikonia> you shouldn't be manually running that
[09:35] <friendlyguy> okay, what should i do
[09:35] <ikonia> I'd be keen to see why the autoamted install to /dev/sda is failing
[09:35] <friendlyguy> where can i find the corresponding log?
[09:35] <ikonia> there should be logs in the sessions /var/log directory
[09:36] <ikonia> is /proc mounted in your installer environment
[09:38] <friendlyguy> it is
[09:39] <friendlyguy> ok, from syslog
[09:40] <friendlyguy> there are several entries for grub-installer
[09:40] <friendlyguy> file descriptor [3,4,5,6] leaked on vgs invocation
[09:41] <friendlyguy> also /run/lvm/lvmetad.socket: connect failed: no such file or directory
[09:43] <ikonia> the lvm stuff shouldn't matter
[09:44] <friendlyguy> ah, found something about gpt
[09:45] <lordievader> What did you find?
[09:46] <friendlyguy> "this
[09:47] <friendlyguy> this gpt partition label contains no bios boot partition, embedding wont be possible
[09:47] <lordievader> Ah, yes. That is true. Did you partition the disks yourself?
[09:47] <friendlyguy> error: embedding is not possible, but this is required for raid and lvm install
[09:47] <friendlyguy> yes
[09:48] <lordievader> And you didn't create the bios boot partition?
[09:48] <friendlyguy> nope
[09:48] <lordievader> That is why the grub install fails.
[09:48] <friendlyguy> i didnt aim to use uefi
[09:48] <friendlyguy> i was planning on legacy boot
[09:49] <lordievader> Yes, uefi requires an esp partition. Bios on gpt requires a partition to be marked as bios_boot.
[09:49] <friendlyguy> so i MUST use uefi?
[09:50] <friendlyguy> ... well then, start over again
[09:51] <lordievader> No, read what I am saying.
[09:51] <lordievader> You can use bios with gpt, but you need to make an additional boot partition and give it the bios_boot flag.
[10:08] <friendlyguy> hi there, back again
[10:08] <friendlyguy> my desktop just died
[10:08] <friendlyguy> :(
[10:09] <friendlyguy> its one of those days...
[10:09] <friendlyguy> about gpt... why is gpt used anyway?
[10:09] <friendlyguy> i have 2 120gb ssds in this server
[10:10] <friendlyguy> and i dont want to use uefi boot
[10:10] <friendlyguy> however, it seems like i cant get a mbr partition table from the partmanager
[10:51] <lordievader> Gpt is newer and for uefi mandatory.
[10:51] <lordievader> It also has two backups wheras mbr only has one.
[10:54] <friendlyguy> ok, i was planning on a raid1 with lvm on top and 2 lvs: root and swap
[10:55] <friendlyguy> what i didnt get: can i create the additional partition within lvm or does it have to be on a "lower" level?
[10:56] <lordievader> Lvm creates block devices essentially, what you do with them is up to you.
[10:56] <friendlyguy> yeah, but about grub and the "missing" partition
[10:58] <lordievader> Oh, in your partition table you want something like: 1. 200Mb /boot. 2. x Gb mdraid
[10:58] <friendlyguy> :) thanks
[11:02] <friendlyguy> okay, now i have 2 disks(sda and sdb) and i created 1 partition on each of those, its 200mb /boot and both have a boot flag and are formatted fat32
[11:03] <friendlyguy> i then created the raid1 with the free space on sda and sdb
[11:03] <friendlyguy> is that how it should be?
[11:03] <albech> anyone know where to place own filters for fail2ban, so they are not overwritten.
[11:03] <friendlyguy> (just to verify)
[11:06] <lordievader> friendlyguy: Oh, wait I'm making an error.
[11:06] <lordievader> You want 1. bios_grub 2mb, 2. /boot and 3. mdraid.
[11:10] <friendlyguy> i am wondering about /boot
[11:10] <friendlyguy> shouldnt that be on raid?
[11:19] <friendlyguy> to be honest, the complete layout is unclear to me
[11:19] <friendlyguy> can someone show me some docu how i have to partition that?
[11:19] <friendlyguy> because having boot NOT on raid1 will result in one of the member disks being unable to boot
[11:20] <friendlyguy> i am pretty sure on that
[11:21] <friendlyguy> in the meantime ill try to have those bios_grub partitions as well as the raid, but no seperate boot#
[11:21] <friendlyguy> try and error ftw
[12:21] <freakyy> what's the best tol to make backups?
[12:21] <freakyy> *tool
[12:22] <andol> It all depends.
[12:23] <freakyy> i own a root server, and i want to backup onto my 1TB Backupspace server ;D
[12:26] <andol> Do you want to push or pull? Which of the servers do you trust more? How much data do you have which needs to be backed up?
[12:27] <freakyy> i have around 300GB per full backup. i need space for 2 i think? backups should be encrypted. i think i want to push. the backup server has no pull capabilities ;D
[12:28] <andol> http://duplicity.nongnu.org/ might not be a bad choice then.
[12:28] <freakyy> andol ok so can i just use duply? :D
[12:28] <andol> No idea, I have never used it.
[12:31] <freakyy> ok thanks :)
[12:38] <friendlyguy> erm... i just installed mariadb-server, but i didnt get asked for a root-pw... is this "normal"?
[12:44] <rbasak> friendlyguy: yes Unix authentication is used by default now for localhost connections
[12:44] <friendlyguy> ah, thanks :)
[12:45] <friendlyguy> i kept wondering about that
[14:56] <ZenThief> I'm learning Ansible and remotely created a non-root user on ubuntu. I see examples deleting root password afterwards. Why would I want to do this?
[15:04] <ZenThief> Just a question for anyone here. I'm new to IRC. Can you see my messages? Please confirm.
[15:04] <nacc> ZenThief: yes
[15:05] <nacc> ZenThief: there is a test channel for such things
[15:05] <ZenThief> Thanks nacc, I'll search for it.
[15:24] <rbasak> nacc: sorry, my marking of Triaged for bug 1727590 was perhaps premature.
[16:32] <shadoxx> Is this a good question to ask a question about an MaaS issue I'm currently having?
[16:32] <shadoxx> err, good place.
[16:33] <dpb1> there is a #maas channel, I think
[16:42] <shadoxx> So there is. Thanks dpb1 !
[17:26] <adac> my freshly installed ubuntu from iso is stuck with /dev/sda1 clean message
[17:26] <adac> installed it from iso onto KVM machine
[17:27] <adac> any ideas what might cause that?
[17:34] <shadoxx> adac: trying hitting enter on the kvm keyboard a bunch of times
[17:42] <adac> shadoxx, tried that, does not help :/
[17:42] <TJ-> adac: fo you mean KVM as in Keyboard/Video/Mouse or as in Kernel Virtual Machine?
[17:43] <shadoxx> Well, I'm all out of ideas. I'm battling a similiar issue. Pretty sure it's interrupt related, since generated interuppts causes it to contiue
[17:43] <shadoxx> Figured it's probably getting hung up on the entropy generator
[17:43] <shadoxx> but that's just a guess
[17:43] <adac> TJ-, shadoxx I'm using virt-manager and there i can enter the console
[17:44] <adac> But enter does not help :/
[17:44] <TJ-> Does booting with "debug" or "systemd_loglevel=debug" help with more info?
[17:44] <TJ-> adac: how about the "Ctrl+Alt+F1 through F7 combinations to switch ttys ?
[18:01] <adac> TJ-, hmm that combination does put my host into that mode not the KVM machine unfortunately
[18:01] <adac> :/
[18:07] <kklimonda> are there statistics on how much space does each  release take, split by components?
[18:09] <adac> TJ-, I can send a key via menu in the virt-manager
[18:09] <adac> now I can login
[18:10] <dpb1> kklimonda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[18:10] <dpb1> kklimonda: that's the closest I know of
[18:13] <kklimonda> dpb1: well, the 1.1TB is probably right, but that's whole archive - the 4.4GB for xenial sounds like size of CD/DVDs and not archive - e.g. xenial universe is >50GB for amd64
[18:15] <dpb1> kklimonda: also, look at this and all the links off.
[18:15] <dpb1> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/08/31/running-an-ubuntu-mirror-with-juju/
[18:16] <dpb1> I'm not sure you'll get specifically the per-component break down you are interested, but you can probably get close.
[18:20] <kklimonda> thanks, I'll take a look
[20:35] <nacc> rbasak: do we wannt to resolve upload tags vs. hash in dsc and how both relate to the importer before 1.0?
[23:30] <xnox> rbasak, i'm not sure if you are the right person to ping, the new git-ubuntu stuff, could it please setup by default .dput.cf to upload things to "ppa" and launchpad over sftp?
[23:30] <nacc> xnox: i'll file htat as a bug
[23:30] <xnox> meaning method=sftp login=lp_account_id
[23:30] <nacc> xnox: as of right now, we don't wrap dput
[23:30] <xnox> because e.g. even slangasek doesn't have it =/
[23:30] <nacc> xnox: it's on the future roadmap, though
[23:30] <nacc> :)
[23:30] <xnox> nacc, ack, will you one the bug, or shall i? and where is the bug tracker?
[23:31] <nacc> xnox: filinng it now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/usd-importer/+filebug
[23:31] <xnox> tah
[23:31] <nacc> xnox: LP: #1727883
[23:34] <nacc> xnox: feel free to flesh it out more, but i think i got the gist


[07:53] <ant384> Hello. New to Bazaar. Is there a way to only commit if the file was modified ? I'm trying to use Bazaar for some config file management, and I want to run a script periodically on a bzr repository, but I only want it to commit a file if it's contents are different from the current revision version of the file.
[07:56] <jelmer> ant384: commit will fail by default if the file hasn't changed
[07:57] <mgz> morning!
[07:57] <jelmer> hey mgz
[08:00] <ant384> Thanks
[08:01] <bob2> ant384, ps use etckeeper instead
[08:15] <christiank> mgz: I will be in this channel today (again) in case you have further questions regarding the bug we discussed the day before yesterday.
[08:18] <mgz> christiank: thanks
[08:19] <christiank> mgz: You're welcome!
[08:29] <ant384> bob2: seems like etckeeper is what I need. It has however a problem, it won't allow me to specify a message for commit, if I use "etckeeper commit -d /my/folder", it opens my text editor. If I want to do "etckeeper commit "some msg" -d /my/folder", it says /etc is not init-ed yet.
[08:33] <mgz> ant384: it has an equivalent of -m surely?
[08:34] <mgz> ant384: you probably just want the -d and path before the message
[08:34] <ant384> I'll just commit using bzr
[11:07] <LarstiQ> ant384: I only ran the etckeeper command to initialise, and after that I commit with bzr
[11:08] <LarstiQ> ant384: also, I disabled the automatic commits when installing packages/dailies, but ymmv
[11:16]  * christiank is away: Lunch break
[12:12]  * christiank is back (gone 00:55:26)
[13:21] <ant384> Trying to invoke bzrlib.builtins.bzr_cat with a revision number. Without a revision number, I get the content of the current revision of the file. But I can't figure out how to specify the revision number. I tried revision=1 or "1", but in both cases I get errors. Not sure I can find the relevant docs.
[13:37] <mgz> ant384: calling builtin commands directly takes some knowledge of internals, they're not really an api
[13:38] <mgz> in this case, you either want to construct a revision spec, or there's a method on Command that does parsing from strings that will get the arguments right as-per called with argv
[13:38] <jelmer> ant384: what are you trying to do exactly? If you're trying to get the contents of a file it might be easier to use the API rather than invoking the UI commands
[13:39] <mgz> and yes, you probably want to use the actual api more closely rather than the command level stuff
[13:40] <ant384> I'm trying to get the content of a file given a certain revision.
[13:45] <jelmer> ant384: in that case you probably want to retrieve that particular tree from the repository and call tree.get_file_text()
[13:50] <ant384> I looked at the get_file_* documentation and none seem to accept revision numbers. Am I missing something ? Should I just run bzr as a system command from within Python ?
[13:56] <jelmer> ant384: you should resolve the revision number to a revision id first; the branch has a method for this
[14:42]  * ant384 bangs his head against the desk
[15:14] <mgz> ant384: less banging more posting code if you get stuck :)
[15:55] <mark06> hi mgz, I tracked the time problem down, it's python behaving in a crazy manner in presence of a TZ env var
[16:00] <mgz> mark06: thanks for reporting back
[16:01] <mgz> it might be worth seeing if there's a related python bug open or fixed already