[03:43] <elroot> Curlydave, can you tell me the exact message?
[03:43] <LinuxJones> JoshYme1, tar xfjv file.bz2
[03:43] <Curlydave> elroot, first off, which file am i supposed to install?
[03:44] <dougsk> spanglesontoast, apt-cache search identd  I'm not really sure what all is involved with setting on up nor what ports etc
[03:44] <spanglesontoast> how do I start deamons on ubuntu?
[03:44] <Curlydave> elroot, "installation failed"
[03:45] <dougsk> spanglesontoast, typically when you install a package it will ask you if you'd like it to run.  otherwise /etc/init.d/$SERVICENAME start
[03:46] <ibo> hi how do i configure gnome in ubuntu so that it prompts me before deleting a file?
[03:46] <nova> well ive hosed this ubuntu install
[03:46] <nova> guess im redoing it tomorow lol
[03:46] <spanglesontoast> Connecting to Ident server at <IP_ADDRESS>...
[03:46] <spanglesontoast> Connection denied: Cannot assign requested address
[03:46] <LinuxJones> spanglesontoast, usually you start or stop them by typing /etc/init.d/servicename start|stop|restart (most are started when you boot your comp)
[03:46] <dougsk> ibo, nautilus you mean?
[03:46] <hyrax42> hi
[03:46] <hyrax42> I'm a bit stuck
[03:46] <elroot> Curlydave, you just have to drag and drop the tar.bz2/tar.gz to the theme's window
[03:47] <hyrax42> can't find the gstreamer0.8-mad in universe/multiverse
[03:47] <JoshYme1> Am I better off installing prism54 or ndiswrapper for my netgear card
[03:47] <nova> gettign this error now on my  drivers (least its not mesa3d ......)
[03:47] <nova> glrxinfo
[03:47] <nova> fglrxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:47] <ibo> dougsk, yeah nautilus or whatever is the one handling it
[03:47] <hyrax42> afaik I put the apt line in fine
[03:47] <spanglesontoast> hang on
[03:47] <spanglesontoast> nova
[03:47] <LinuxJones> hyrax42, sudo apt-get update && apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:48] <spanglesontoast> let me send you the lib
[03:48] <hyrax42> kk will try
[03:48] <nova> i wouldnt know where to put it
[03:48] <nova> and dcc and me dont work
[03:48] <spanglesontoast> /lib/modules/
[03:48] <ibo> i just deleted a days work :) i want this to be prevented next time
[03:49] <LinuxJones> nova, you should look at www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:49] <nova> could you email to me (prob need to change the ext
[03:49] <nova> ive done that
[03:49] <nova> it dont help
[03:49] <spanglesontoast> huh
[03:49] <spanglesontoast> what you do?
[03:49] <LinuxJones> nova, what card do you have ?
[03:49] <hyrax42> LinuxJones: E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:49] <nova> radeon 9k pro
[03:49] <nova> i dont want the xorg drivers
[03:50] <nova> im trying to get the ones from atis site going
[03:50] <spanglesontoast> /usr/lib/
[03:50] <spanglesontoast> soz
[03:50] <ibo> how do i make "rm" from command line automatically moves the files to wastebasket?
[03:50] <JoshYme1> LinuxJones: should i use prism54 drivers or ndiswrapper?
[03:50] <spanglesontoast> what your email nova
[03:50] <nova><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:50] <dougsk> ibo, if you use trash it shoudl ask that behavior by default I think, otherwise in gconf-editor it's apps>nautilus>preferences>confirm_trash
[03:50] <hyrax42> hang on... in the update, it says "Ign" a bunch for the backports ones
[03:50] <LinuxJones> hyrax42, you didn't add the universe repository to your /etc/apt/sources.lst file
[03:50] <Curlydave> elroot, doing so gives me the "installation failed' message
[03:50] <nova> tag on a .txt to the end of the file spanglesontoast
[03:50] <nova> other wise gmail may eat it
[03:51] <LinuxJones> JoshYme1, if the prisim driver is the chipset your card uses....then use that
[03:51] <elroot> Curlydave,  :S ....
[03:51] <spanglesontoast> k
[03:51] <nova> if this works ive got a mostly working .sh script for you heh
[03:51] <dougsk> ibo, the delete option set in edit>preferences>behavior appears to ask whether you want it to or not and I don't see a preference in the gconf-editor to say no
[03:52] <LinuxJones> hyrax42, search the www.ubuntulinux.org website for universe it will tell you how to add the repositories
[03:52] <ibo> where do i see gconf editor? where can i see this -> apps>nautilus>preferences>confirm_tras
[03:52] <ibo> dougsk where do i see gconf editor? where can i see this -> apps>nautilus>preferences>confirm_tras
[03:52] <synd> !sources
[03:52] <ubotu> synd: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[03:52] <JoshYme1> LinuxJones: ok i tried to install and it can't find k something or other
[03:52] <Noggin> Is it difficult to replace Grub with Lilo?  When my laptop's CD drive cools off (doesn't read CD-R's when warm) I was going to boot off the install CD and jump to the install Lilo step
[03:52] <synd> !source
[03:52] <ubotu> synd: I haven't a clue
[03:52] <dougsk> applications>run>type gconf-editor
[03:53] <synd> Noggin: why you want lilo?
[03:53] <Noggin> synd: Cause Grub gives an error 17, which I believe means it doesn't understand the partition table, and I also read that Lilo would boot up anyway
[03:53] <hyrax42> LinuxJones: hmmm well the instructions on the wiki page about restricted formats are outdated then?
[03:53] <dougsk> ibo, or applications>system tools>configuration editor
[03:53] <hyrax42> thanks though, seems to work after uncommenting universe lines
[03:53] <Noggin> I spent all day installing Ubuntu and getting ndiswrapper working, first time I reboot the system it gives Grub error 17 :(
[03:54] <dougsk> ibo, I'm not sure what your asking, it doesn't offer you an 'are you sure' type dialog already?
[03:54] <dougsk> is there an intent to package netscape directory server?
[03:55] <FR500> hello
[03:55] <ibo> dougsk.. its a default instal of hoary and it doesnt ask me y or n
[03:55] <FR500> is there something like scandisk?
[03:55] <wesw> Anyone else experiece mouse lag on AMD_64 version of Hoary (dual Opterons)?
[03:55] <fidget> humm does anyone know how to mount a folder ... like a cdrom drive?
[03:55] <ibo> dougsk.. ive checked the configuration and the box for confirm trash is checked. weird
[03:56] <thechitowncubs> I asked this before, but is there a way that I can get my laptops fans to go on more often?
[03:56] <Noggin> FR500:  I THINK its called fsck but I'm n00b
[03:56] <FR500> ok
[03:57] <hyphenater> fidget: man mount
[03:57] <dougsk> ibo, sorry I can't replicate that here.  I'm not all that talented at gnome
[03:57] <fidget> man mount?
[03:57] <spanglesontoast> sending
[03:57] <FR500> fidget, type man mount
[03:57] <spanglesontoast> done
[03:57] <fidget> humm ... and then the dest?
[03:57] <FR500> man= manual
[03:58] <fidget> ah
[03:58] <fidget> thanks
[03:58] <ibo> dougsk.. its ok. thas for the help
[03:58] <raDeon> nova, can i help you
[03:58] <i> igotroot
[03:58] <spanglesontoast> trust me this is complex
[03:59] <nova> well i am afraid my system is currently beyond help
[03:59] <dougsk> ibo, no worries you might try and create another user and use Xnest to see if you can replicate it there
[03:59] <spanglesontoast> we having been working on this for a while
[03:59] <nova> ubuntu install number 3 coming up in morning
[03:59] <i> anybody want to know how to enable root login on the splash screen?
[03:59] <ibo> whats xnest for?
[03:59] <nova> file didnt make it spanglesontoast here ya go
[03:59] <nova> ELF
[03:59] <nova> thats what i got no atachment no nothing
[03:59] <dougsk> ibo, Xnest is a tool to run an Xsession inside a window
[03:59] <nova> but my system is totaly hosed
[04:00] <spanglesontoast> well text
[04:00] <spanglesontoast> doesn't work lol
[04:00] <nova> perms are screwed up
[04:00] <nova> i dont "own dirs" i cant even get cedega to start rubies up etc
[04:00] <nova> ive fully fried ubuntu :)
[04:00] <spanglesontoast> ah
[04:00] <spanglesontoast> you love rubies.........
[04:00] <root_> ok somebody hack me , im logged in to irc in root
[04:00] <spanglesontoast> can you give me a link to rubies
[04:00] <nova> is my fav game
[04:00] <Curlydave> root_, lol
[04:00] <forced> heh.
[04:01] <nova> www.eventide.net
[04:01] <Curlydave> root_, those people who are hacker-paranoid/root=evil are nuts
[04:01] <nova> free (donation) mmorpg
[04:01] <dougsk> root_, /join #linspire
[04:01] <forced> haha.
[04:01] <root_> i know ubuntu is pretty gay for not enabling root login
[04:01] <Curlydave> root_, i've heard it a million times how without the root thing haxors would invade your comptuer in a matter of dayds
[04:01] <nova> mines enabled
[04:01] <spanglesontoast> !ident
[04:01] <ubotu> spanglesontoast: Bugger all, i dunno
[04:01] <thechitowncubs> I asked this before, but is there a way that I can get my laptops fans to go on more often?
[04:01] <root_> mine is too now
[04:01] <nova> too one single sudo command
[04:01] <nova> i like the fact its the way it is
[04:01] <root_> i can log in at post
[04:02] <spanglesontoast> !ident
[04:02] <root_> enabled root account and login on post
[04:02] <nova> keeps people like me  from well um heh frying their install ......
[04:02] <spanglesontoast> !ident
[04:02] <ubotu> Wish i knew, spanglesontoast
[04:02] <spanglesontoast> grr theres a bot
[04:02] <Noggin> this is stupid... i have my laptop on top of one of those ice things that you put in a cooler to keep the cd drive cool
[04:02] <Curlydave> nova, lol, i know, but just don't delete anything you dont' know what it is and your fine
[04:02] <Curlydave> lol
[04:02] <nova> heh
[04:02] <nova> hell
[04:02] <wesw> AMD64 Hoary (SMP):  Anyone else have issues w/ lagging?  i386 Hoary &  Solaris 10 fine on same hardware...
[04:02] <nova> in rh9 shrike
[04:02] <spanglesontoast> oh bed time form e
[04:02] <Curlydave> and i think the hackers thing is bullshit
[04:02] <spanglesontoast> good luck nova
[04:02] <nova> i made one single inocuous change to kde
[04:02] <spanglesontoast> I need to sleep
[04:02] <Curlydave> i'll say slim-none on that one
[04:02] <nova> and killed the entire os
[04:03] <Curlydave> wow!
[04:03] <nova> oops heh
[04:03] <Curlydave> that blows!
[04:03] <nova> im like hmm ok
[04:03] <nova> root in linux = bad
[04:03] <Curlydave> but if you were going to make that change anyhow you still would have sudoed it and messed it that way
[04:03] <nova> well ive partialy killed ubuntu a dozen times
[04:03] <nova> each time was a matter of minutes to recover it
[04:03] <LinuxJones> nova, what did you change ?
[04:03] <nova> killed flat out once
[04:03] <root_> 90% of the worlds computers run windows, and ubuntu folks are worried about root login security issues, they must be on drugs lol
[04:03] <forced> root == good. using root for everyday tasks == bad, especially for new users, heh.
[04:03] <nova> long time ago LinuxJones
[04:04] <nova> dont remember now
[04:04] <Curlydave> root_,  exactly
[04:04] <nova> i dont worry about the security isues
[04:04] <Curlydave> i dont' think there are even any viruses are linux-targetting hackers
[04:04] <nova> on windows im always admin
[04:04] <nova> to much hassle to swap to admin and back in windows
[04:04] <root_> curly you have to tar.gz the viruses first lmao
[04:04] <nova> in linux with sudo su etc
[04:04] <Curlydave> lol
[04:04] <nova> its a few key presses do what you need and back out
[04:05] <dougsk> Curlydave, well the phpbb thing was interesting, especially since someone created another virus based of the vuln to tell you to patch it
[04:05] <Curlydave> lol i bet the linux viruses give up after too many error messages trying to install themselves :p
[04:05] <tsume> root has landed! :)
[04:05] <tsume> root_: don't irc as root
[04:05] <root_> dependency issues
[04:05] <Curlydave> dougsk, oooh fun!
[04:05] <nova> lol phpbb ......
[04:05] <tsume> root_: I'll have to crack your computer now :)
[04:05] <root_> go ahead
[04:05] <root_> have at it
[04:05] <nova> hey root_ install php sql and apache lol
[04:05] <nova> let me have a crack at it heheh
[04:06] <ice_1963> My motherboard Bios will not boot from a cd rom. How do I make a 3-1/2 inch bootable floppy?
[04:06] <root_> you want my ip?
[04:06] <Curlydave> haha root's figured it out that all the "root is evil and your comp will be haxed" isn't right
[04:06] <dougsk> ice_1963, for ubuntu you don't
[04:06] <nova> phpbb is nuts it lets you essentialy change any thing through its interface
[04:06] <nova> take over php you own the server
[04:06] <root_> go ahead and destroy my gateway 400 mhz powerhouse hahahaha
[04:06] <Curlydave> oooh
[04:06] <spanglesontoast> mom ruoy ekil dlo si arodef
[04:06] <nova> my host was hacked that way
[04:06] <ice_1963> doug, why not?
[04:07] <forced> Curlydave, running irc as root creates problems when the user is say, using a user-created script for <insert favorite irc client.>
[04:07] <thechitowncubs> Ok, lets start here. is it POSSIBLE to change fan settings?
[04:07] <elroot> how can i configure firestarter to let me transfer files in skype directly?
[04:07] <spanglesontoast> you used phpbb?
[04:07] <spanglesontoast> nova?
[04:07] <Curlydave> forced, ohhh i see
[04:07] <nova> used in a dos attack against another web site
[04:07] <nova> i didnt no some one else on the server i was hosted on did
[04:07] <iceman> Dang, i want a linux disto that will install to new hardware, but allow a Dos file system
[04:07] <LinuxJones> root_, it's bad to irc in root :)
[04:07] <forced> mIRC isn't the only irc client plagued by malicious scripts, heh. Linux clients have a few.
[04:07] <dougsk> ice_1963, the kernel in ubuntu isn't small enough to fit on a floppy.  If  Ireally wanted debian, I'd wait till ~June 6th for sarge release and use the netboot floppies
[04:07] <spanglesontoast> ah
[04:07] <spanglesontoast> ubuntu?
[04:07] <nova> i lost 3 months worth of posts on ikonboard because of it
[04:07] <root_> bbl
[04:08] <Noggin> Dangit!  I am in the Ubuntu install, I selected to install Grub and Lilo because right now I'm getting Grub error 17 (grub doesn't understand partition table).  When I select to install Lilo, it immediately fails and if I select to install Grub it wants to repartition my drives
[04:08] <fidget> does anyone have any exp. with running yellow dog or ubuntu on a power pc?
[04:08] <nova> they took over the entire server
[04:08] <Noggin> I don't know what else to try ;(
[04:08] <ice_1963> kewl doug...so I can boot from sarg?
[04:08] <dougsk> ice_1963, at which point if you really wanted ubuntu you could change some things.  But I did do that recently on a thinkpad laptop and it work miserably.
[04:08] <forced> Installing grub shouldn't ask you to repartition...
[04:08] <spanglesontoast> I'm sad I us3 4ack3r 1anguag3 +0 sp3ak
[04:08] <Noggin> I wouldn't have expected it too either forced, but its asking me if I want it to use the autopartitioner or set it up myself.  Maybe if I select the second option....
[04:09] <nova> i mean dont get me wrong all message board system have had security flaws
[04:09] <iceman> Anyone know what would cause a system to hand at teh cups level during boot up
[04:09] <spanglesontoast> indeed
[04:09] <nova> but most are limited to screwing with the board not the entire freaking server lol
[04:09] <spanglesontoast> maybe he needs to set it up with better permissions
[04:09] <nova> ikonboard was easy to hack
[04:09] <ice_1963> Doug, I just picked up an old Gateway and I was thinking about installing flexbox
[04:09] <forced> Noggin, Are you sure grub isn't asking you if you want to use grub-install(in which case it automates the process of detecting partitions and installing itself?)
[04:09] <Noggin> Hmmm, this time its doing something else.  I starting to think this installer may be a bit buggy?
[04:09] <synd> ice_1963: whats the specs?
[04:09] <synd> ice_1963: and its fluxbox, btw
[04:09] <nova> websitename.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/member/membername.cgi. enter
[04:10] <nova> download member name cgi file and theres their pass word
[04:10] <dougsk> ice_1963, best of luck, I'd really looky at sarge netinstall and be sure to kill Xprt daemon
[04:10] <nova> target the admins got it
[04:10] <Noggin> SURE?  No, I'm never 100% sure when I'm working with Linux... but this is doing something differnt now, more like what I would have expected it to do
[04:10] <iceman> Anyone know why a system would hang during boot at cups ...
[04:10] <ice_1963> the processor is a pentium 166
[04:10] <nova> log in admin the board change what ever you want
[04:10] <forced> Maybe you lucked yourself into what you wanted. :P
[04:10] <firewire> is there a different package repository? Mine is missing basic things like Eterm
[04:10] <synd> ice_1963:  eek. i dont know if id do that.
[04:10] <Noggin> actually it failed again :(
[04:10] <nova> now ikonboard uses dbm and sql so you cant do it any more
[04:10] <dougsk> ice_1963, ouch, uhm I take back what i said.  I dunno what you'd do wth that tbh
[04:10] <spanglesontoast> you talking about yabb?
[04:11] <kaarlows> Does somebody have reports on how Ubuntu LiveCD PPC behaves at an Apple iBook?
[04:11] <spanglesontoast> ain't the same?
[04:11] <iceman> firewire i can give you my sources.list ...
[04:11] <firewire> great :)
[04:11] <iceman> sec ... other pc ..
[04:12] <ice_1963> Dougsk it is running windows 98 right now...I picked it up for free at a garage sale the wife drug me to
[04:12] <dougsk> ice_1963, tbh I think I'd leave it at that
[04:12] <Noggin> "It seems that this installaion of Ubuntu is the only OS on the computer.  If so, it should be safe to install the GRUB boot loader to the MBR of your first hard drive..... Install the GRUB boot loader to the MBR?" I select <Yes> and it fails :(  Maybe I'll reboot and see if it has actually fixed anything
[04:13] <Noggin> I'm thinking it can't mount the hard drive or something
[04:13] <forced> Does it report anything?
[04:13] <ice_1963> what is "tbh?" throw it back home?  lol
[04:13] <dougsk> ice_1963, garage sales sometimes rock, often times they have no clue.  i bought a p4 laptop for USD125 that way once
[04:13] <forced> In other words, how's it failing?
[04:13] <Noggin> Hmmm, actually there's a way to switch views right?  like ctrl f7?
[04:13] <kaarlows> I would like to use Ubuntu in my iBook G4 using the LiveCD, but I'm temerous for problems that may occour, as I've never saw a LiveCD distribution for Mac before
[04:13] <forced> Alt+F<tty number>
[04:13] <Curlydave> do LiveCDs let you save files?
[04:14] <forced> If you're in X, Atl+Ctrl+F<tty number>
[04:14] <forced> Then just Alt+Left/Right to switch ttys.
[04:14] <LinuxJones> kaarlows,  download and boot into it , it won't hurt anything on your computer
[04:14] <Noggin> hmmm.... see lots of debug lines, but I'm not sure which ones are of interest
[04:14] <spanglesontoast> anyways I'm off to bed
[04:14] <dougsk> Curlydave, there are a ton of methods to save files, such as to  usb thumdrives, fat32 partitions, or the cd-burner
[04:14] <spanglesontoast> nite nite peeps
[04:14] <spanglesontoast> nite nova
[04:14] <forced> How do you know it's failing? Is it saying grub not installed? Or reporting anything?
[04:14] <Curlydave> dougsk, ohh ok i just wasn't sure if it was possible
[04:15] <Curlydave> i guess ext partitions too prolly
[04:15] <IIIEars> Noggin - you can edit grub so it loads with "e" at boot then make the changes permanent by editing grub.conf one dir above boot
[04:15] <LinuxJones> spanglesontoast, bye
[04:15] <Noggin> getting a big red screen that says it fails
[04:15] <spanglesontoast> peace out
[04:15] <Noggin> I can't get to the system IIIEars :(  At boot I get Grub error 17
[04:15] <forced> ... :/ What partition type is /boot/grub on?
[04:15] <dougsk> Curlydave, sadly though most puters nowadays have ntfs partitions and as cool as captive-ntfs is, it still seems a crapshoot so must livecd vendors don't include wirte support to ntfs
[04:15] <Noggin> ext3 I think it is
[04:16] <Curlydave> dougsk, ohhh
[04:16] <forced> ... That should work without a problem, heh. Hrm.
[04:16] <IIIEars> Noggin - boot error 17 is unrecognized filesystem - that should be editable i think.
[04:16] <kaarlows> LinuxJones, thx, I'll try because Ubuntu is great, but as I've never saw a LiveCD before for Mac, so I think precaution is never much :)
[04:16] <Curlydave> dougsk, i can actually get my linux to read my ntfs partition, but windows won't read the ext3
[04:16] <Curlydave> *hd, not partition
[04:16] <forced> IIIEars: EXT3 should be recognized though.
[04:16] <forced> :/
[04:16] <Noggin> Right, but I don't know how to get to the console though..... hmmm maybe I do...
[04:17] <forced> Curlydave, There's a few(not many) applications for Windows to read alternate partitions, can't remember any since it's been a while. :/
[04:17] <dougsk> Curlydave, not be default but there is an excelent project that will read ext2/3 partions just fine e2fsexplore  Ithink
[04:17] <LinuxJones> kaarlows, I think you will like it very much once you get it installed and configured :)
[04:17] <Curlydave> forced, i'll have to look nto that
[04:17] <dougsk> Curlydave, s/e2fsexplore/e2fsexplorer I think
[04:17] <Curlydave> dougsk, ooh cool
[04:17] <Noggin> Ok, I'm at a console now, but I think its super limited.  I can't even do a "dir"... ooo but ls works
[04:17] <kaarlows> Well, let me start downloading my LiveCD for Macs, and later I come to tell how was it. Cya guys
[04:17] <Curlydave> dougsk, do you know if theres a way to read the ntfs partition in linux without doing the mount command every time you reboot?
[04:17] <psychonate|away> crimsun, you around?
[04:18] <forced> Curlydave, You have to mount a partition to read it.
[04:18] <Curlydave> that's a no?
[04:18] <forced> Set it to automount.
[04:18] <Curlydave> forced, how would i do that?
[04:18] <forced> Edit /etc/fstab and create an entry for the partition.
[04:18] <forced> So it will be mounted at boot.
[04:18] <dougsk> Curlydave, yeah have a look at ubuntuguide.org peice of cake
[04:19] <Curlydave> so where it says noauto 0
[04:19] <Curlydave> 1 would make it automount?
[04:19] <iceman> livewire had to pop on that pc ... seem to be a complete sources.list
[04:19] <forced> Replace noauto with defaults.
[04:19] <Curlydave> ohhhh ok
[04:19] <iceman> im on old windows xp box ..
[04:20] <Curlydave> ty forced!
[04:20] <forced> I feel so used, helped and he leaves, not even a reach around.
[04:20] <DAC1138> forced, huh?
[04:20] <forced> Was a joke, heh.
[04:20] <DAC1138> forced, the pop-in?
[04:21] <DAC1138> people come, get a question answered, then leave?
[04:21] <forced> Yeah, /cry.
[04:21] <DAC1138> dont even join the community?
[04:21] <DAC1138> hate that
[04:21] <dougsk> forced, lmao
[04:21] <Noggin> i'll give you a reach around if you 'mount' me :)  Trying to figure out how to get it to work.  So far its telling me that its not in /etc/fstab :(
[04:21] <DAC1138> happens every day in the blender chat
[04:21] <forced> Haha.
[04:21] <forced> Noggin, What's not in /etc/fstab?
[04:22] <DAC1138> whats stupid is then they pop back in 20 minutes later "uh, how do i do this?" and they leave, and come back
[04:22] <Noggin> dunno honestly.... if I go to /dev and type "mount hda" or "mount hda1" I get "Can't find /dev/hdea in /etc/fstab"
[04:22] <DAC1138> its like "just login and STAY to ask your questions, help others as well while you're here"
[04:22] <forced> No... it's when they say, "It didn't work." 20 minutes later that makes you wonder. :/
[04:22] <forced> Er.
[04:22] <dougsk> DAC1138, it's part of how they learn. How I learn too.
[04:22] <forced> Noggin, it's trying to mount a mount point, not a device. When you do that.
[04:23] <Noggin> I'm so noob :(  friend always swears up and down he'll help me do this if I format my laptop and get rid of windows, but when I try he's never here to help
[04:23] <DAC1138> lol. now i have a quick question. i want to dual boot windows and linux, is there some software that will allow me to view and modify reiser/ext3 partitions as if they were regular windows ntfs/fat partitions?
[04:23] <DAC1138> in real time, without having to open a 3rd party app
[04:23] <forced> Noggin, `mount /device mount_point` ... Otherwise, `mount blah` will try to mount a mount point as defined in /etc/fstab(and I doubt 'hda' exists as a mount point in fstab.)
[04:23] <DAC1138> i want to capture video in linux, and move over to windows and edit with premiere and after effects
[04:24] <forced> DAC1138, Chances are you if you want to edit those partitions via Windows, you'll 100% need a 3rd party application.
[04:24] <DAC1138> i know of 3 programs that will allow me to view/edit partitions, but not in real time, not like they're normal M$ partitions
[04:24] <forced> Why not just capture the Video in Linux, copy it to the Windows partition, then boot Windows and access the file normally?
[04:25] <DAC1138> forced, hard drive space
[04:25] <dougsk> DAC1138, edit partitions or access and edit files?
[04:25] <dpod> Does anybody know how to replace a file in /etc/rcS.d?
[04:25] <forced> Move it? Or too limited on the Windows partition you mean?
[04:25] <DAC1138> i want windows to have like a 4 gb partition. a bare system, since all i use are premiere and after effects
[04:25] <eljose> joi
[04:25] <forced> Ah.
[04:26] <DAC1138> its a 40 gb drive, 36 will be for linux. it'd be nice to have 20 GB set aside for video
[04:26] <forced> Buy an iPod and use it exclusively as a USB drive. :"> It's what I did when I realized I don't listen to music that much, heh.
[04:26] <DAC1138> and not have to toss it back and fourth between partitions
[04:26] <DAC1138> i got a dell dj :) happy with it
[04:26] <Mestapheles> does checking the cksum value of certain files against their md5 values,that I already know, give different values?
[04:26] <HostingGeek> bob2: ya here?
[04:27] <forced> Just resize the windows partition exclusively for videos and save all the captured videos there, instead of a linux partition?
[04:27] <HostingGeek> bob2: check ya logs...
[04:27] <forced> That way it's accessible both ways, and the space will be used for videos regardless...
[04:27] <DAC1138> forced, .....
[04:27] <DAC1138> forced, why didnt i think of that?
[04:27] <forced> ?
[04:28] <Noggin> DAC1138:  Cause you use NTFS for windows maybe?
[04:28] <forced> Heh. I have that problem sometimes too, so busy looking for a complicated solution I forget that simple ones usually work best.
[04:28] <Noggin> NTFS access for linux is still in its infancy right?
[04:28] <DAC1138> Noggin, i do currently, but repartitioning/formatting my drive ill convert it to fat32
[04:28] <forced> Noggin, NTFS writing isn't "mature", but it's always worked for me without a hitch.
[04:28] <Noggin> aight
[04:28] <tsume> heh
[04:28] <forced> Maybe I'm lucky. :/
[04:29] <tsume> you probably have no idea what the restrictions on NTFS for linux are
[04:29] <dpod> I'm trying to replace one of the original bootup files; I can delete the original (/etc/rcS.d/S40networking -- halves the bootup time), but I can't get my own shell script to replace it properly: it looks for a sudo permission, I think
[04:29] <malik> i just configured twinview. works fine. but now i want "independent workspaces" ie. switch one workspace on one screen and leave the other alone
[04:29] <malik> is this possible? how?
[04:29] <DAC1138> i'd like to use windows in vmware, but i dont know how video editing is with premiere and after effects in vmware
[04:29] <tsume> you can read and write to NTFS, but if you used 1) encryption, or 2) a special folder, don't count on it
[04:29] <tsume> and you can't write to specific folders due to the settings windows applies to them
[04:29] <forced> tsume, probably why I never encountered a problem. Heh. Never bothered with either. :/
[04:30] <Noggin> have half an hour to fix this until I have to go to sleep :(
[04:30] <tsume> forced: be like me, a computer nut who learns everything ;)
[04:30] <forced> I probaly would know more about it, if I had access to a Windows box. :P
[04:31] <iceman> anyone know a distro that will play nice with window, without havingto partition ... like Winlinux
[04:31] <tsume> forced: its best to know everything :)
[04:31] <DAC1138> im on windows now sadly. did the sp2 upgrade and strangely enough, my open source software quit working
[04:31] <dougsk> iceman your looking fo colinux
[04:32] <dougsk> s/fo/for
[04:32] <forced> tsume, ... False prophet!
[04:32] <DAC1138> namely blender, gaim, gimp, and (not open source, but free) filezilla
[04:32] <limer> where's Burg?  gonna feel good soon
[04:32] <DAC1138> iceman you come into #ubuntu and ask that question?
[04:32] <DAC1138> lol
[04:33] <DAC1138> iceman go with ubuntu
[04:33] <forced> iceman : Sounds like WinLinux works like you want.
[04:33] <DAC1138> ubuntu has the live feature :)
[04:34] <dougsk> DAC1138, well without having to partition there is slackware with umsdos, or colinux or cygwin.  Ubuntu doesn't fit the bill -- oh though the livecd would be good
[04:34] <Noggin> might fsck fix this?
[04:34] <DAC1138> dougsk, yeah, ive used slackware way bak at 8.0 with umsdos
[04:34] <DAC1138> dougsk, but that was very hard to set up
[04:34] <HrdwrBoB> and slow
[04:35] <DAC1138> dougsk, wheras the live cd will work, and you can mount the windows partition and edit it
[04:35] <DAC1138> HrdwrBoB, youre telling me. the system was an old 25mhz laptop with 8 mb ram
[04:35] <DAC1138> the 8 mb ram was a strang expansion card from 4mb.
[04:35] <forced> ... Did you shoot it to put it out of its misery? :/
[04:35] <mrchicago> any idea when the bit torrent will be up and running
[04:35] <DAC1138> no, i dont know what happened to it
[04:35] <dougsk> DAC1138, point well taken.  O never said it was 'easy'.  But it doesn't touch the partition table.
[04:35] <DAC1138> in a box somewhere
[04:36] <iceman> dougsk will tried to install, cant get it to work ... weird ... lack some nt dll's .. i want it on a 98 install
[04:36] <DAC1138> got this new gateway laptop instead. works like a charm
[04:36] <dougsk> iceman, tried to get what to install?
[04:36] <mrchicago> heh
[04:36] <DAC1138> dougsk, umsdos i think is also what peanut linux was using as a main partition type
[04:37] <dougsk> DAC1138, yes peanut is/was based off of slackware circur 9.x
[04:37] <iceman> colinux
[04:37] <DAC1138> dougsk, peanut was one of my first distros. it was very hard to setup, mainly because of umsdos and i had to download an extra file from the internet that was 80MB (this was on dialup)
[04:37] <dougsk> DAC1138, if you chose to partition with peanut it used reiser3
[04:38] <DAC1138> dougsk, i got a weird copy of peanut. the instructions told me to get an 85 bzImage file, copy that to a DOS formatted partition, and install it like that. it would use the DOS partition as its main filesystem
[04:38] <dougsk> DAC1138, I was a huge peanut fan jp does great work and bolting rpm ontop was pretty cool.
[04:38] <mrchicago> stupid ds;
[04:38] <mrchicago> stupid dsl
[04:38] <mrchicago> going bananas
[04:38] <iceman> dougsk i'd go slackware, but how the heck to get the full needed library's for x and kde ..
[04:38] <DAC1138> your keyboard too
[04:39] <dougsk> iceman, Om not sure I follow
[04:39] <Noggin> If I were to boot with a win98 boot disk, and use fdisk /fixmbr to "fix" the mbr, how would the PC react when I try to boot?     I've attempted installs before, Debian ALMOST worked.  Ubuntu was working until I rebooted it
[04:43] <Noggin> but for all intents and purposes, yes this is my first installation
[04:44] <DAC1138> Noggin, boot the ubuntu live cd (if you have one) and reinstall the bootloader
[04:44] <dpod> I might be a step ahead of you then. I'm on a shittier computer (an Acer 1410) but have been fighting wireless on and off for a couple of weeks. I think've now got it, except nobody will help me get my final boot stuff set so it works automatically (bad chatroom types). Let me see if I can throw it together.
[04:44] <firewire> also you might try the suse live cd
[04:45] <Noggin> Don't have live cd.  I do have the basic install ISO though, and both the Grub and Lilo install steps fail.  First time I select to install Grub it wants to partition the drives.  If I cancel and select the same step it says that Ubuntu is the only OS on the drive and asks if I want to install Grub.  I say yes, and it goes to a red screen and fails
[04:47] <dpod> Noggin: oh dear. That I don't know the answer to. I did a dual boot. Why are you worrying about Linux the night before a trip? Wouldn't you be better of with what you've already got working? Integration with other peoples' hardware ain't any easier (to say the least) with linux
[04:47] <Noggin> I started installing it around tuesday actually, it kept failing at 80% so I had to do a network install today when I figured out how to do it which worked
[04:48] <Noggin> but first reboot, and grub went kaboom :(
[04:48] <Chislon> i could use some assistance, or a link that would help me figuring out how to set my comp up for dual booting
[04:49] <Noggin> what OS can you currently boot to Chislon?
[04:49] <synd> Chislon: the ubuntu installer sets that up for you
[04:49] <raDeon> WINDOWS
[04:49] <raDeon> hahahaha
[04:49] <Chislon> windows xp home sp2 is current
[04:49] <Chislon> well i have to do the partition tho?
[04:49] <dpod> My own guess is your better off letting it go until your trip's over. I've been travelling and screwing around with Linux all month (started first week in May). But with a dual boot machine, it's not stopped any of my presentations.   In my spare time I want to design a PCB board :(  I don't HAVE to have it, but it'll keep me from blowing my brains out from boredom
[04:50] <synd> Chislon: at least 4-5Gig i guess? im not sure how small the partition can be
[04:50] <geetergod> Anyone know why i cant activate the DMA in xine?
[04:50] <Noggin> I suppose absolute worst case is find my Win98 cd's which I should still have and just install them tomorrow at the hotel
[04:50] <geetergod> i get...   /dev/dvd:
[04:50] <geetergod>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[04:50] <geetergod>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Permission denied
[04:50] <geetergod>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[04:50] <synd> Chislon: i recommend using another HDD if you can
[04:50] <Noggin> havn't really considered that until now, had tunnel vision
[04:50] <dpod> Noggin: you mean it wiped out the windows?
[04:51] <Chislon> well this is my laptop so dont have tha toption really
[04:51] <Noggin> Yes, that was on purpose.  Its only a 3 gig hard drive
[04:51] <Chislon> i really only use my desktop for gaming so only need windows on that
[04:51] <synd> Chislon: how big is the HD?
[04:51] <synd> Chislon: well since you have Win on your desktop, you ought to just nix windows on your laptop completely ;)
[04:52] <islander> what's going on
[04:52] <Chislon> 14.4 gb used, 41.2 gb free
[04:52] <geetergod> aaanyone know?
[04:52] <islander> Wepa a todo el mundo
[04:52] <Chislon> synd, i may end up doing that, but im not ready to yet
[04:52] <islander> I am so happy with my Ubuntu OS
[04:52] <synd> Chislon: i understand. I didnt at first as well.
[04:52] <jayson_I> what's up dude!!
[04:52] <islander> so Excited
[04:52] <jayson_I> can i dual boot winXP and ubuntu?
[04:53] <synd> jayson_I: yes
[04:53] <dpod> Noggin: then its really a question of how important the laptop is to you, of course. I'm afraid I'm not enough of an expert to say how to properly boot a single system machine (which is what I'd do if I didn't care). But if it is really a hobby at this point I'd let it go.
[04:53] <Chislon> Noggin thank you for your help
[04:53] <synd> Chislon: id say give it 10-20GB?
 how? what OS first i instal?
[04:53] <geetergod> can someone help me with xine?
[04:53] <synd> Chislon: its really your discretion
[04:53] <dpod> Chislon:
[04:53] <geetergod> enableing dma
[04:53] <synd> jayson_I: id do XP first and then ubuntu
[04:54] <Noggin> Its a hobby, but I'm going to have about 60 hours of spare time from monday to friday, and 16 hours of travel time.   I appreciate all the help from everyone and I know how difficult it is to help over a medium such as this
[04:54] <Chislon> synd ok, ihow big of a deal is it to change it later if i need more or less or whatever?
[04:54] <Chislon> dpod ?
[04:54] <Noggin> but I'm afraid I'm going to have to give up soon, got one more thing to try though first....
[04:54] <dpod> Chislon: I did 18/18 XP UBUNTU; I wish in retrospect, I'd left less room for the XP, though it did eat all but 6 gig on system and application files
[04:54] <synd> Chislon: im not exactly sure.
[04:54] <Chislon> dpod, oh ok, thank you
[04:55] <Chislon> is inkscape equivalent to windows vector programs?
[04:55] <Chislon> i mean ho wmuch space i do dpeends on how much ill need to use windows
[04:55] <rj`> does anyone know of a way to resize all images in a directory to be a certian size?
[04:55] <synd> ok time to mess with my moms dell
[04:55] <DAC1138> anyone here a "TWiT" listener?
[04:56] <firewire> super
[04:56] <dpod> Chislon: yes and no. It really depends on a) is it your only machine? b) is it where you store everything? c) how willing are you to control disc creep on one side or the other.
[04:56] <mrchicago> 99% of computer programs can be done from the console
[04:57] <mrchicago> games and videos only ones that cant be done
[04:57] <Chislon> dpod, what is disc creep, and this is where i store everything, and i have a desktop, but that i only use for games, this is what i do everything on
[04:57] <tsume> mrchicago: wrong
[04:57] <dpod> I'm in the process of translating from XP to Ubuntu. Ultimately, when my desktop changes, I'll need lots of Ubuntu space. Right now on my laptop I don't store anything on the windows side, so I'm alright.
[04:58] <tsume> mrchicago: you can watch movies on the console, and also play games
[04:58] <mrchicago> movies like with what
[04:58] <tsume> there are great ncurses based games. You can watch movies with aalib
[04:58] <mrchicago> well im talking like fps
[04:58] <dpod> disk creep is what I call never getting rid of anything. when I got my first harddrive (40 meg) or even before that on my superpet, you had to get rid of stuf smetimes. But nowadays...
[04:59] <tsume> mrchicago: heh, you misunderstand that a fps doesn't need 3D
[04:59] <underline> yep, finally ubuntu is working on my laptop
[04:59] <DAC1138> why doesnt ubuntu, by default, mount windows partitions? why must i manually go into fstab and edit it?
[04:59] <raDeon> http://www.ebaumsworld.com/screamscare.html
[04:59] <synd> DAC1138: it dont like windows
[04:59] <geetergod> can someone help me with my xine?
[04:59] <synd> geetergod: whats the prob?
[04:59] <DAC1138> synd, find me someone who does
[05:00] <Chislon> dpod, not really sure what to do with that info i guess... heh, i dunno i mean, like i dunno, if i can do everything i want to do besides games in linux, and if i can do it better and easier and like it better there, then of course i dont need all that much space for windows
[05:00] <geetergod> when i try to activate dma using 'hdparm -d 1 /dev/dvd'
[05:00] <synd> DAC1138: huh?
[05:00] <tsume> mrchicago: with aalib, you can go in a high w x h for console mode, and even use 256 color ;)
[05:00] <underline> could anyone teache me how to create another distribution based on ubuntu?? I would like to know how you guys can create an installable ISO with all that directory hierachy =p
[05:00] <geetergod> i get....     /dev/dvd:
[05:00] <geetergod>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[05:00] <geetergod>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Permission denied
[05:00] <geetergod>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[05:00] <Chislon> but i dont yet know if i can do it all
[05:00] <dpod> DAC1138: I think Billy Gates is peased enough with it
[05:00] <DAC1138> synd, but if they're aimes at user-friendliness, it only makes sense as it will help in the windows to linux transition
[05:00] <synd> raDeon: us LINUX users cant view that !
[05:00] <geetergod> synd, any idears?
[05:00] <underline> sorry... its teach
[05:00] <underline> =p
[05:00] <raDeon> yes you can
[05:00] <xterminus> geetergod: try sudo hdparm ....
[05:00] <tsume> mrchicago: with unbelievable detail with ascii characters
[05:00] <DAC1138> dpod, we all know he secretly uses a knoppix live cd
[05:00] <monsoon> hi
[05:00] <synd> raDeon: hm
[05:01] <tsume> I like watching the matrix with aalib
[05:01] <geetergod> damn it, i knew i had to do that :(
[05:01] <dpod> DAC1138: I didn't say he used it: just that he was pleased with it.
[05:01] <geetergod> im sorry
[05:01] <Chislon> besides games, i want to get into programming and animation/2d/3d graphics, blender works for 3d, and it sounds like linux is way better for programming, but what about the 2d aspect, which is what im googling right now... i was going to go with flash, but thats windows
[05:01] <synd> raDeon: how does one get .wmv plugins
[05:01] <forced> lol tsume
[05:01] <tsume> Chislon: flash is a pipedream, I put down people who use flash
[05:01] <raDeon> synd, xine
[05:01] <raDeon> DUH
[05:01] <Chislon> also are there decent webpage making programs? i dont know html, but am part of a small buisness starting and im in charge of the webpage, it will need to have ecomemerce and such
[05:01] <raDeon> i watch wmv's all the time on linux
[05:02] <synd> raDeon: it aint wokring
[05:02] <tsume> Chislon: and for a 3d engine, the current opensource best is ogre for 3d engine, but it still is slow
[05:02] <Chislon> tsume, i dont know what exactly a pipedream is, but its okay with me if you dont do the things i do, why isnt it okay with you for me to do what i do?
[05:02] <cafuego> raDeon: Yes, if you happen to have an x86 machine it works. if not, not.
[05:02] <Davey> I have one of those 8 in 1 media reader type things, the ones that take up a 5.25" drive bay, how can I open up my Compact Flash card to see the photos?
[05:02] <tsume> Chislon: it pisses people off.
[05:02] <raDeon> cafuego, well guess what, MOST PEOPLE DO
[05:02] <Chislon> tsume, what about the engine they use for planeshift?  it makes you mad that i use software that has nothing to do with u?
[05:03] <tsume> Chislon: linux flash 7 still has unexpected results if you generate the bytecode in windows with the Flash MX
[05:03] <Chislon> why do i have such an effect on ur life
[05:03] <cafuego> raDeon: Yeah, MOST people also run Windows.
[05:03] <tsume> Chislon: Crystal space is _worse_ than ogre3d
[05:03] <Chislon> oh ok
[05:03] <Chislon> i looked at ogre3d demos but i wasnt overly impressed, but i dont know much about that
[05:03] <tsume> Chislon: you can make simple games with ogre3d, but don't expect a game like Unreal Tournament
[05:03] <iceman> Wish i could find a zipslack linux system with x installed ...
[05:03] <dpod> Chislon: I mostly do text and xml, which is why I'm going to Linux. Almost everything one needs in a regular office... even a fairly high tech one seems relatively well supported. The biggest question is really where you think you are mostly going to work on a day-to-day basis. I have some friends who work in windows and use linux, and some who are the other way round. If you've got more than one machine, I'd say split the least important one 50:
[05:03] <tsume> Chislon: expect Unreal I graphics. Ogre3d and CS are 10 years behind
[05:04] <tsume> so are all other engines, they devels are morons who can't optimise a few algos.
[05:04] <synd> !xine
[05:04] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, synd
[05:04] <synd> oops
[05:05] <Chislon> tsume, well im no where near that level, havnt started programming or anything, i hear python is good starting language...  i dont know what that means about the algos and such.. but i mean they are improving them right, and so what do linux games use or what do games that work in linux without wine use?
[05:05] <forced> Most open source engines are... :( Not trying to offend people, heh. Good engines = cost money.
[05:05] <raDeon> cafuego, yeah and MOST people think you are an obnoxious slack of slime
[05:05] <forced> algos = algorithms.
[05:05] <raDeon> sack*
[05:05] <raDeon> read as sack, if you will.
[05:05] <JDahl> I was flat out amazed by the ogre tech-demos, but I dont play games much
[05:05] <tsume> ubotu: xine is a media player which may be found at: http://www.xinehq.de
[05:05] <ubotu> tsume: okay
[05:05] <forced> Chislon: OpenGL is portable... that's what they tend to use for graphics.
[05:06] <Chislon> dpod, but the least important one i only use for games, so im never on that, linux is supposed to be faster and more secure and better right? depending on if i can do 2d stuff well in linux, most of y worktime should be in linux on this laptop
[05:06] <tsume> !xine
[05:06] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, tsume
[05:06] <tsume> Chislon: python is not a good language for game creation. You want to use C++ for game creation
[05:06] <Chislon> forced, ok i dont know how all the engines and stuff work though, so they use other engines tho
[05:06] <forced> Alot of the free tool kits are just crap that relies on OpenGL for rendering.
[05:06] <Chislon> tsume, but python is good for a starting language i hear
[05:06] <tsume> Chislon: for numerical analysis and computing power, you need to learn how to use the STL in C++
[05:06] <regeya_> guh.
[05:06] <iceman> anyone know how to pack a iso to a harddrive
[05:06] <tsume> Chislon: use Python to make plugins for the game
[05:06] <iceman> unpack
[05:07] <regeya_> if you do everything as interpreted python, then yeah, your game is a-gonna be slow
[05:07] <dpod> Chislon: I wouldn't let html needs shape my os decision. there are only something like thirty codes to know, and there's lots of free and commercial coding editors for both systems. I use emacs mostly, though I'm not sure that's an entry-level html coder. I think Oxygen does well in both XP and Linux
[05:07] <Quest-Master> http://www.ogre3d.org/gallery/albums/album01/quake3.sized.jpg <-- Ogre3D is pretty damn good.
[05:07] <tsume> Chislon: actually lua is a better language for plugin creation for games
[05:07] <forced> C++ knowledge is almost required if you want to make a game in a team environment. Heh.
[05:07] <Quest-Master> tsume: Python rocks for game creation. ;)
[05:07] <regeya_> also if you do it with no eye for optimizing for the interpreter, then it will be slow
[05:07] <Chislon> tsume, some people say its not bad for games, i have no idea about it all, but python is used in the blender game engine i think... but most things i read dont suggest starting in C or C++
[05:07] <forced> lua = so nice.
[05:07] <tsume> Quest-Master: get real buddy :) its slow at numerical computation
[05:07] <regeya_> but if you're careful, and you're not doing anyhting cutting-edge it'll be ok
[05:07] <tsume> Chislon:  whoever told you that, they are seriously wrong
[05:07] <Chislon> Quest-Master, thank you for the link
[05:08] <forced> C is a great starting place. So is C++.
[05:08] <regeya_> yes, I suggest C++ for beginners.
[05:08] <tsume> C++ is a def
[05:08] <forced> Learn either and you'll be able to pick up most languages quickly.
[05:08] <Quest-Master> tsume, forced: Lua is easy to implement, but Python as a language owns it hard. Plus, Boost.Python allows easy implementation.
[05:08] <tsume> don't use C# or mono
[05:08] <bwlang> tsume: you're confused... python and C++ generate very similar machine code for numerical calculations... they differ everywhere else
[05:08] <regeya_> but first cut your teeth on assembly ;-)
[05:08] <Chislon> dpod, well i fugre that linux should be just as good for doing webpages shouldnt it? that is something i need to figure out though, that and 2d art/animation progs
[05:08] <tsume> Quest-Master: oh god you are such a noob
[05:08] <Quest-Master> tsume: Slow numerical computation? Try Psyco and Pyrex.
[05:08] <tsume> Quest-Master: its all about overhead and speed
[05:08] <tsume> Quest-Master: no.
[05:09] <tsume> bwlang: you must not be experienced
[05:09] <Chislon> tsume, i dont know what lua is,  really? everything i read pretty much says that its not a good place to start and too hard and technical, and that python is better for starting
[05:09] <forced> Extra overhead = kills when you need all the performance you can get.
[05:09] <tsume> bwlang: the overhead of python is not light as lua
 I'm right  <tsume> no, I'm right
[05:09] <regeya_> NO YUO
[05:09] <Quest-Master> tsume: Don't get into this "you're a n00b" shit. It won't get you anywhere.
[05:09] <Quest-Master> :)
[05:09] <tsume> bwlang: vmSize for Python, 3megs, vmsize for lua 102k
[05:09] <dpod> Chislon: Yeah I'd guess so. Certainly all the standards guys use it (which is why I'm going that way): I'm in academia, and we're purists. Given the other things you're talking about, you should learn everything you need to know about text and 2-d in an afternoon.
[05:10] <tsume> Quest-Master: you're ignored for being ignorant and talking out of your ass
[05:10] <bwlang> tsume: i don't want to get into it with you.. tight loops are similar in all languages...   why are you talking about memory usage - this is irrelevant to numerical calculation
[05:10] <JDahl> Quest-Master, you sort of pushed my buttons there... numerical computations in python (or any interpreted language) can be very fast if they done right and only a few critical parts are written as C extension modules
[05:10] <tsume> Chislon: I can give you emails to people who actually create games
[05:10] <tsume> Chislon: they use 1) C++, and 2) lua
[05:10] <Quest-Master> Simply put, Python is good for game creation in general unless it's memory intensive, and even for operations of those kind, they can be written as external C modules for the extra speed needed.
 Mine is bigger <tsume> I IGNORE YOU
[05:11] <Quest-Master> JDahl: Exactly. :)
[05:11] <Quest-Master> regeya_: Hehe.
[05:11] <regeya_> whee
[05:11] <tsume> bwlang: then use C# and see how bloated and slow the numerical computation is
[05:11] <regeya_> both y'all just calm down! :-)
[05:11] <tsume> bwlang: C++ and lua are both very evolved and mature langugages compared to your fad languages
[05:11] <Johnnyfav> how come Ubuntu displays photos better?
[05:12] <tsume> bwlang: you obviously don't know what the hell meta programming is, or you would see the light
[05:12] <regeya_> tsume: isn't C++ a bit excessive?  why not lovingly hand-encoded assembly
[05:12] <tsume> Johnnyfav: gnome image viewer does that
[05:12] <Chislon> dpod who are the standards guys, what/where is academia,? and what do you mean, where do i learn it about im kinda confused
[05:12] <tsume> regeya_: hell no.
[05:12] <regeya_> wuss.
[05:12] <Chislon> tsume, i know that c++ is the main thing used in games... but most things agree its nto a good place to start that ive read, what does lua stand for?
[05:12] <tsume> regeya_: when used correctly C++ can be better than FORTRAN
[05:12] <dpod> Getting back to serious business: WHY WON'T SOMEBODY SAY HOW TO ADD SOMETHING TO /etc/rcS.d ( shouting is jocular, honest)
[05:12] <Johnnyfav> it's great
[05:12] <Johnnyfav> I love it
[05:12] <tsume> regeya_: not every algo is good by passing a freking reference :)
[05:13] <regeya_> wuss.
[05:13] <Quest-Master> tsume: Fad languages? I highly suggest you take a look again at the languages you speak of. There's a reason why even advanced C/C++ coders are moving to other languages now.
[05:13] <bwlang> let's take this somewhere else... we're getting astray of ubuntu
[05:13] <tsume> Chislon: lua is just a scripting langauge which is very light. It just happened to be used with many games.. even Xbox games.. which are made in C++ :)
[05:13] <regeya_> sorry bwlang
[05:13] <Quest-Master> bwlang: Agreed.. I rest my case. Won't speak any further on the subject.
[05:13] <regeya_> Ah write mah games in clisp
[05:13] <Chislon> tsume, ok, is it just refered to as lua or does it stand for soemthing else
[05:13] <bwlang> how about ##programming for those who are interested
[05:14] <tsume> Chislon: you'll have to excuse these people in here. They've no idea what they are talking about
[05:14] <dooglus> dpod: try sysv-rc-conf
[05:14] <JDahl> tsume, in what ways can C++ be better than fortran?
[05:14] <bwlang> Chislon: i recommend you take all this advice with a pint of salt.
[05:14] <shanon> This is really a rediculous conversation
[05:14] <shanon> bwlang: Agreed
[05:14] <tsume> JDahl: there are areas which fortran are better than C++. sometimes its very shorter(3k lines) to implement in fortran than C++ ;)
[05:14] <dennis__> Can anyone here help me install nvidia sound drivers?
[05:14] <dpod> Chislon: standards guys are the W3C and TEI (http://www.tei-c.org/) groups that are working to keep html and other languages standard. Academia is the university world, where we're paid to, well have our heads up our asses. And I've forgotten what else you were confused about.
[05:15] <Chislon> no offense but im not really taking anyones opinion in here too seriously... most things i read and hear say to start with python... so thats what i think ill be doing, it wont hurt, so why not
[05:15] <Quest-Master> Chislon: Good idea. :)
[05:15] <bwlang> Chislon: because tsume will flip out ;)
[05:15] <dooglus> Chislon: python's as good a language to start with as any
[05:15] <Noggin> this is nice.... i've considered that some of my problems are heat related so I have my laptop sitting on a block of ice.  Then I remembered that the top on my car was down, so I went to put it up.  When I came back inside, my laptop had slid off the ice which was up on my desk and was lying upside down on the floor.  I'm sure this is going to help :(
[05:15] <tsume> Chislon: I recommend getting a good on creating games. All the ones you will see use C++
[05:15] <shanon> Chislon: Python is a very nice language. If you are looking for a language to learn programming on then yes, python is a good one
[05:16] <Quest-Master> Chislon: Python teaches you the one BEST way to accomplish a task. That mindset will help you in all other programming languages, even C++ if you decide to learn it.
[05:16] <tsume> Chislon: python is very slow at numerical computation. The "they all run the same code" is a bs statement from langauge programmers who try to jusitify easier for speed
[05:16] <Quest-Master> Chislon: Plus, there are libraries like Pygame and PyOpenGL for game creation which you might be interested in.
[05:17] <dennis__> Can anyone here help me install nvidia sound drivers? I
[05:17] <disasm> Noggin: are you serious?
[05:17] <dennis__> 'm having some troubles
[05:17] <demonic> anyone want to help my monitor
[05:17] <JDahl> tsume, I am not an expert on compilers, but Fortran people claim that a Fortran compiler normally can optimize algorithmic code more than a C compiler
[05:17] <dpod> Noggin: that has to be a pretty unique problem description on this list.
[05:17] <Chislon> Quest-Master, bwlang, dooglus , shanon, thank you
[05:17] <tsume> JDahl: depends on the compiler
[05:17] <kman_> Is the guide at http://ubuntuguide.org outdated?
[05:17] <Noggin> 100%.  my cd drive is broken, my power cord won't plug in, and my laptop will not post.  BUT, this is the first time in 3 years that the battery has worked
[05:17] <shanon> kman_: why ?
[05:17] <Quest-Master> Chislon: No problem. I wish you the best of luck in your programming times! :)
[05:17] <regeya_> C++ is a crutch for lazy people
[05:18] <demonic> anyway how do I change the frquecies of the X output
[05:18] <tsume> JDahl: intel C++ compiler can have its bad areas compared to Gcc. sometimes gcc is faster. Its all about the compiler optimisation
[05:18] <Chislon> tsume, thank you for advice, i think it will just be better for me to start at python, but most commercial stuff is made in C++ but Myst was made in some langauge, dont know what its called, that everyone thinks is silly to do, and there are some commercial games made in python i bleieve
[05:18] <Davey> I have a problem with the device manager, it says hald is not started, but I can't seem to start it :/
[05:18] <shanon> regeya_: Them's fightn' words! 8)
[05:18] <regeya_> hehe
[05:18] <iceman> damit goole ... no distros that will install on windows 98...
[05:18] <Chislon> Quest-Master, thank you, however looking at the Pygame site... the games didnt really look modern.. so i dunno, didnt make me too excited
[05:18] <iceman> not with new hardware
[05:18] <tsume> Chislon: yes, but there aren't high speed graphical 3d games in python
[05:18] <kman_> shanon: java doesn't work, and a few others don't work..
[05:18] <synd> how do i enable VNCviewer on ubuntu? rahter how do i connect to it from another comp on my network??
[05:18] <disasm> Noggin: not sure the ice was the greatest idea, water and electronics don't go together... let alone the whole slippage thing
[05:18] <regeya_> well, if anyone wants to know why extreme amounts of RAM are necessary these days, it's because of lazy-ass C++ programmers. :-P
[05:18] <tsume> Chislon: which is why I said C++.
[05:19] <Noggin> nah, there's no problem with water
[05:19] <tsume> regeya_: you're not bs'ing anyone here
[05:19] <Quest-Master> Chislon: Well, Pygame is more oriented for 2D gaming. Take a look at PyOGRE and PyOpenGL for modern stuff.
[05:19] <dpod> Noggin: what a solution. I' think I'll get my wife to try that with her notebook battery. It would certainly make for some interesting looks when I suggest it. The question is are you better off now that you were before the ice block?
[05:19] <bwlang> synd: vncviewer allows you to connect to other computers... if you want to allow others to connect to you then you need vncserver...
[05:19] <shanon> kman_: I installed from the guide not long ago and everything seems good here. I haven't done any real testing with java though
[05:19] <regeya_> tsume: I enjoy your IRC channel.
[05:19] <tsume> regeya_: the need for high amounts of ram come from languages with a high overhead.
[05:19] <disasm> synd: tightvncserver for a new instance, x11vnc for current desktop
[05:19] <tsume> regeya_: ...
[05:19] <Noggin> worse, much worse.  I think the laptop is toast now.   I may dismantle it to see if its repairable from the inside, but not tonight of course
[05:19] <synd> bwlang, disasm: is there a HOWTO online anywhere?
[05:20] <Arrogant> man of course you need to use c++ because it takes very long time and time means more hours so you get paid more!!!
[05:20] <tsume> regeya_: don't be a smart ass to me :)
[05:20] <Chislon> tsume, i cant start out making WoW in the first place though so its probably a good place to start
[05:20] <shanon> tsume: That is an incorrect statement
[05:20] <Noggin> but the REAL problem is that i will not be able to check my email this weekend, and thats pretty serious.  I have a LOT going on at work
[05:20] <Chislon> Quest-Master, oh ok awesome, thank you
[05:20] <tsume> Chislon: its best to do it right the first time
[05:20] <kman_> shanon: says it can't find the file. I did update my apt-get list too.
[05:20] <Quest-Master> Chislon: If you'd like to spend lots and lots of time working with memory addressing + allocation as well as pointers and type declaration of objects which just might make your head spin, which is what tsume is recommending you to do, do C++.
[05:20] <regeya_> Arrogant, amen to that statement about C++
[05:20] <yccheok> my housemate xp MBR have corrupted.
[05:20] <bwlang> synd: it's too easy for a howto... you just runt the command....  check out /usr/share/doc/vncserver
[05:20] <shanon> kman_: Which step ?
[05:20] <dpod> Noggin: I guess that solves two problems: your battery and your grub problem. A little like knocking your head with a hammer to take your mind of a sore finger, but...
[05:20] <yccheok> how i can save my MBR and copy to him
[05:20] <synd> bwlang: i have vncviewer on another box running DSL (damn small linux) and would like to connect to this computer.. running ubuntu
[05:21] <synd> bwlang: oh ok
[05:21] <Chislon> tsume, and the majority of what i read and hear supports that starting with python is the right path, to get a better understanding of programming itself, rather than just a language, making progressing to others easier
[05:21] <Arrogant> actually by that logic we should all use fortran to make games
[05:21] <yccheok> his computer is same as mine, linue/ windows xp dual boot
[05:21] <Quest-Master> Chislon: If you'd like to learn the best methods of object-oriented programming, and have a good time while programming and learning all of the concepts, choose Python.
[05:21] <Chislon> Quest-Master, i dont know what any of that means lol
[05:21] <Quest-Master> Chislon: Exactly. That's why you want to start off with Python. :)
[05:21] <kman_> shanon: this part, sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[05:21] <regeya_> CHislon, a language like Python is great for learning things you'll need to know later, and has its uses, to be sure, but it's not for everything. :-)
[05:21] <bwlang> synd: if you want to have it start its own session just run vncserver...  you'll have to set a password
[05:21] <Chislon> Quest-Master, i hope python will be fun, but it does sound like a good place to start
[05:21] <Arrogant> Object-oriented programming is evil dont use it it has large overhead and takes less time and makes more sense
[05:21] <Arrogant> no real programmer would use it!!!
[05:22] <regeya_> hehe
[05:22] <regeya_> I wouldn't say that OO is evil.  Just C++.
[05:22] <Arrogant> you have to read core dumps and use pointers or you are a wimp
[05:22] <Chislon> regeya, thank you, and yes ive read that also, it seems different lang are better for different things, so ive heard of things like c modules wrappe din python or something, i dont really know what it all means or how it all works, but it probably makes sense heh heh
[05:22] <bwlang> \emote wonders if Arrogant is a troll...
[05:22] <hikaru79> Arrogant, lol.
[05:22] <regeya_> lol
[05:22] <Quest-Master> Arrogant is joking guys.. :)
[05:22] <JDahl> Arrogant, and real debugging is done with printf... people using gdb are pancies
[05:22] <shanon> kman_: let me check mine
[05:23] <disasm> \emote? never seen that command before ;-)
[05:23] <kman_> shanon: thanks
[05:23] <dennis__> What are some good free html editors?
[05:23] <regeya_> vi.
[05:23] <disasm> dennis__: bluefish
[05:23] <Arrogant> You know, no matter what language you use, OpenGL still sucks ;_;
[05:23] <disasm> regeya_: yeah, that's even better ;-)
[05:23] <dpod> dennis__: emacs
[05:23] <Quest-Master> ScITE.
[05:23] <dennis__> I need a good webeditor....that will organize my code nicely :D
[05:23] <Arrogant> dennis__: SciTE
[05:23] <Quest-Master> dennis__: Overwhelmed by the responses, aren't you? :P
[05:23] <dennis__> No Gui
[05:23] <Arrogant> Oh.
[05:23] <Chislon> with python would i be able to make games equivalent to flash games?
[05:23] <Quest-Master> dennis__: Use ScITE then.
[05:23] <kman_> shanon: also acroread doesn't work as well.
[05:23] <dennis__> Okay.
[05:23] <Quest-Master> Chislon: Yes.
[05:23] <mikere> Arrogant: I think it's only advantage is being better than the alternatives
[05:23] <Chislon> tho perhaps i should take that to the python room rather then here
[05:24] <tsume> Chislon: you are welcomed to use whatever you want. You will later find out you should have used C++ to begin with. I learned C++ first, but though "Hey, lets use ruby to make a simple 3d model of a modifyable dna chain", like python, java, and other languages.. it will be slow, and you'll later use C++
[05:24] <Arrogant> mikere: As so often is the case
[05:24] <disasm> dennis__: if you dont want a gui, go with vi, it will auto-indent your lines and has syntax highlighting
[05:24] <synd> bwlang: should i get xvncserver or just vncserver in the apt?
[05:24] <dennis__> Alright...
[05:24] <tsume> Chislon: C++ is very portable, and if you are using opengl, its portable to all platforms.
[05:24] <Chislon> Quest-Master, ok thank you (ones better than flash?)
[05:24] <disasm> dennis__: if you want my .vimrc, just let me know
[05:24] <Arrogant> Flash is not for games
[05:24] <dennis__> Okay
[05:24] <Arrogant> Flash is for llama songs
[05:24] <Quest-Master> Chislon: With PyOpenGL, you sure will :)
[05:24] <Arrogant> And schfifty five
[05:24] <tsume> oh god.. its Arrogant
[05:24] <dennis__> Does anyone know of a good free flash option for linux?
[05:24] <dennis__> Is there even one??
[05:24] <Arrogant> oh god its tsume
[05:25] <tsume> dennis__: gnu flash?
[05:25] <disasm> yeah, there is a gpl flash
[05:25] <Noggin> good news is that the DC connector on the laptop is broken and a soldering iron will fix it, and ironicly I wouldn't have discovered that if my cd drive wasn't broken
[05:25] <regeya_> tsume: C++ is great.  That's what they started students on at the Uni I attended.  When I figured out that C++ was going to be the standard and that it was a big cluster-you-know-what, I changed majors.
[05:25] <tsume> oops. gplflash :)
[05:25] <dennis__> Okay
[05:25] <dennis__> :D
[05:25] <Chislon> tsume, thank you for your advice, and i may find that out later, but if i do i dont think ill stress over it too much, i think that i will find learning python to be easier and more enjoyable adn less likely for me to just give up on
[05:25] <firewire> ming
[05:25] <dennis__> Now,, here comes the hard part.
[05:25] <regeya_> C++ started out so great
[05:25] <regeya_> seriously
[05:25] <joe|code> gplflash woohoo
[05:25] <dpod> denis: I thought I apt-gotted something the other day from Ubuntu.
[05:25] <tsume> Chislon: you are doing exactly what I did :)
[05:25] <Chislon> Quest-Master, ok, so flash cant do anything game wise that python cant?
[05:25] <Chislon> tsume, how do you mean
[05:25] <regeya_> I loved C++ in its infancy
[05:25] <Quest-Master> Chislon: Besides running on a web browser, no.
[05:25] <Arrogant> Chislon: Of course not, Python is a language
[05:25] <bwlang> synd: i only see tightvncserver and vncserver...  - doesn't really matter which you choose - tight is a bit better for slow connections
[05:25] <tsume> Chislon: nevermind. Just go ahead :)
[05:25] <Arrogant> With C extensions
[05:25] <dennis__> Does anyone know why I can here system sounds and not mp3s that are playing....
[05:25] <zenlunatic> Does Hoary use x.org or xfree?
[05:25] <Arrogant> It can do anything
[05:26] <Chislon> tsume, ok thank you
[05:26] <Arrogant> Flash can't do a lot of things :)
[05:26] <Chislon> lol i mean for the game engine
[05:26] <Quest-Master> zenlunatic: XOrg
[05:26] <bwlang> zenlunatic: x.org
[05:26] <Chislon> like the game part of flash
[05:26] <Arrogant> You can make much better games in Python
[05:26] <synd> bwlang: my bad, i thought it said xvncserver ..
[05:26] <dpod> Noggin: it sounds like fawlty towers at your place. don't mention the war.
[05:26] <Chislon> thats what i meant
[05:26] <Arrogant> Just doesn't happen very often
[05:26] <Chislon> i mayh ahve said it wrong
[05:26] <psychonate|away> crimsun: you around
[05:26] <JDahl> tsume, if you refuse to use any sort of interpreted language for development and write all your code directly in C++, then I think you're either programming very simple things, or have too much time on your hands
[05:26] <shanon> kman_: I think I see what is wrong. The extra repositories part has been updated very recently. I assume you are using the one specified in there?
[05:26] <Chislon> python can do everything game wise that flash can do and more/better correct?
[05:26] <tsume> Chislon: I've been using C++ to create a true fast engine. With the help of some fortran. Its not for a game, but for education and interactive response situations. If I used another language like java, it would have died before it began
[05:26] <Noggin> I'll pretend I know what you're talking about dpod :)
[05:26] <Chislon> is it harder in python then in flash?
[05:26] <Noggin> g'night everyone, and don't put your PC's on ice
[05:26] <tsume> JDahl: I use lua with it, because its very light
[05:26] <disasm> synd: vncserver or tightvncserver depending on what version vnc you have
[05:27] <Quest-Master> tsume: Perhaps with Java, but not Python
[05:27] <dennis__> Does anyone know why I can here system sounds and not mp3s that are playing....
[05:27] <Quest-Master> Chislon: Yep.
[05:27] <bwlang> dennis__: system sounds like beeps don't depend on your sound driver... if you're  - it could be that your mp3 player is not using esd for its output
[05:27] <Arrogant> tsume: That might be because Java is terrible
[05:27] <kman_> shanon, yes, I am using the one listed
[05:27] <Chislon> tsume, oh, that sounds like a kool project, tho im not sure what interactive response situtations are
[05:27] <mikere> JDahl: a good programmer can be productive in any environment.  Friend of mine codes almost exclusively in ASM - but his custom libraries make him very productive
[05:27] <tsume> Quest-Master: you really think you are a know-it-all. don't you? you haven't check the vmSize of what java uses, and compared to python.
[05:27] <synd> bwlang: ok i set up a password and it gave me "New 'X' desktop is ubuntu:1"
[05:27] <kman_> shanon: do you have the info on the new one?
[05:27] <dennis__> bwlang, by system sounds I mean't like the sound gnome makes when I eject a cdrom
[05:27] <shanon> kman_: It used to specify a debian testing one which is the one I used to install java. However that one had problems so they have removed it. They have obviously not tested the java packages after they changed it
[05:27] <bwlang> synd: good - now just run the viewer from the other machine...
[05:27] <Chislon> so its harder in python, but with that larger degree of difficulty does that also bring with it em, "betterness" ?
[05:27] <tsume> Chislon: :) like a 3d world where meetings can be brought to the employees ;)
[05:28] <iceman> anyone know what this is FTGUIX compliance
[05:28] <Chislon> tsume, sounds kool
[05:28] <disasm> synd: now xtightvncviewer <ip_of_desktop>
[05:28] <tsume> Chislon: C++ is easy...
[05:28] <Quest-Master> tsume: Oh yeah, by stating the facts, I MUST be implying that I'm a know-it-all!
[05:28] <Arrogant> lol#python
[05:28] <synd> bwlang: i did, but it wants me to type in the vnc server
[05:28] <bwlang> dennis__: sounds like the second problem... check the output of your mp3 player
[05:28] <Arrogant> ##python*
[05:28] <Arrogant> bye
[05:28] <tsume> Chislon: STL on the other hand.. to be good with metaprogramming, takes time
[05:28] <dennis__> bwlang, how do I do that?
[05:28] <bwlang> synd: that's the ip address of you server...
[05:28] <kman_> shanon: or the acroread
[05:28] <tsume> Quest-Master: no, you're speaking out your ass
[05:28] <Chislon> tsume, i dont think c++ would be as easy for me to start with as it sounds like it was fo ryou
[05:28] <regeya_> "C++ is easy until you get into the useful stuff"
[05:28] <tsume> Quest-Master: *plonk*
[05:28] <synd> bwlang: ubuntu:1 ?
[05:28] <tsume> Chislon: with books, its easy
[05:28] <bwlang> dennis__: sorry dude... i don't even know what your mp3 player is... i can recommend rhythmbox
[05:29] <shanon> kman_: I removed it from my repositories as it was causing problems for other packages. I will have a look and see if I have it somewhere
[05:29] <tsume> Chislon: I learned from Bjarne and later.. the C++ standard
[05:29] <Quest-Master> tsume: I'd suggest you stop with the flaming, please. We don't want to turn #ubuntu into another #debian
[05:29] <bwlang> synd: unlikely... unless you have set up dns to make ubuntu resolve to <IP_ADDRESS> or whatever your ip address is
[05:29] <tsume> I'm eager to get my hands on the 2003 C++ standard
[05:29] <dennis__> Okay...I have rhythmbox open bwlang
[05:29] <jayson_I> can i run macromedia dreamweaver in ubuntu?
[05:29] <JDahl> mikere, point well taken... I can only speak for myself and say that if I had to do all my programming in, e.g., C then I wouldnt be very productive
[05:29] <fidget> i'm intrested in installing ubuntu linux on a apple ibook so that I can use blender as well as Maya is there any concerns with a dual booting ibook?
[05:29] <regeya_> lol
[05:29] <bwlang> synd: find out your ip by typing ifconfig at a command prompt
[05:29] <dennis__> bwlang, how do I check the output?
[05:29] <Quest-Master> jayson_I: Yeah.. with cxoffice I believe
[05:29] <tsume> its supposed to be filled with useful information on what the language will implement internally next
[05:29] <mikere> hard to see the ubuntu questions with all the programming chat
[05:29] <regeya_> and I apologize also Quest-Master; my flaming tsume isn't helping any
[05:30] <Quest-Master> fidget: None at all I believe
[05:30] <Quest-Master> regeya_: Forgiven! lol.
[05:30] <tsume> regeya_: well at least you are admitting it
[05:30] <Chislon> tsume, what is Bjarne
[05:30] <regeya_> tsume: you next.
[05:30] <tsume> Chislon: Bjarne.. God :)
[05:30] <fidget> is there any real advantage to using a ibook instead of a pc laptop ...?
[05:30] <jayson_I> Quest-Master: like wine?
[05:30] <Quest-Master> jayson_I: Yep.
[05:31] <Quest-Master> fidget: Not really I guess. More support for PC laptops than iBook though in general.
[05:31] <tsume> regeya_: well.. my responses are a bit hasty answering to you :) or I would have thought them out to explain each negative response to C++
[05:31] <bwlang> dennis__: in rhythmbox you don't have to... it only talks to esd i think...
[05:31] <fidget> i see ...
[05:31] <tsume> regeya_: anyway, sorry
[05:31] <fidget> thanks for your help =)
[05:31] <tsume> brb, eating
[05:31] <bwlang> dennis__:  try checking the volume in rhythmbox
[05:31] <dennis__> Bwlang it says I do not have the correct plugin to play .mp3 files
[05:31] <dennis__> What plugin do I need?
[05:32] <bwlang> dennis__: there are some dependencies in aptitude ... the gstreamer plugins
[05:32] <Quest-Master> dennis__: sudo apt-get install gstreamer-mad
[05:33] <bwlang> dennis__: you tell rhythmbox which output plugin to use by configureing gstreamer
[05:33] <dennis__> Ah
[05:33] <dennis__> I installed gstreamer earlier...
[05:33] <dennis__> How do I configure it?
[05:33] <Chislon> Quest-Master, may i pm you?
[05:33] <Quest-Master> Chislon: Sure!
[05:34] <nalioth> dennis__: gstreamer0.8-mad actually
[05:34] <Quest-Master> nalioth: That's right, sorry.
[05:34] <dennis__> I have the mad plugin too
[05:34] <bwlang> dennis__: gstreamer-properties from a command line... dunno how to get there in the gui
[05:34] <dennis__> How do I configure it though
[05:35] <dennis__> What do I set it to?
[05:35] <dennis__> What sink and what source?
[05:35] <bwlang> dennis__: depends on your system... i use alsa and the dmix plugin - but that's a bit complicated to set up...
[05:36] <bwlang> dennis__: try esd
[05:36] <dennis__> On both?
[05:36] <dennis__> What about video?
[05:36] <bwlang> dennis__: don't worry abot video for now
[05:36] <nalioth> dennis__: my machine automagically saw the plugins. what machine do you have?
[05:36] <dennis__> what do you mean what machine?
[05:36] <dennis__> :/
[05:36] <JDahl> Chislon, a fun way to learn python is www.pythonchallenge,com
[05:36] <dooglus> JDahl: ugh.  was it you who got me started on that?
[05:36] <dennis__> Well it can't establish a connection to any of the output options
[05:37] <bwlang> dennis__: he's asking about your computer... - specifically which sound card
[05:37] <dennis__> Its onboard :(
[05:37] <JDahl> dooglus, no
[05:37] <dennis__> Nforce2
[05:37] <bwlang> dennis__: is esd running?
[05:37] <dooglus> JDahl: define fun!
[05:37] <dennis__> How do I check that?
[05:37] <bwlang> dennis__: ps aux | grep esd
[05:37] <dennis__> :(
[05:38] <dennis__> root@Spartan:/home/dennis # ps aux | grep esd
[05:38] <dennis__> dennis    7730  0.0  0.7   5324  4032 ?        S    13:52   0:00 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps
[05:38] <dennis__> root     13941  0.0  0.1   3036   724 pts/0    S+   20:37   0:00 grep esd
[05:38] <bwlang> dennis__: a simple yes would do ;)
[05:38] <dooglus> a more fun way to learn python is to repeatedly hit yourself over the head with o'reilly's "programming python"
[05:38] <dennis__> lol
[05:38] <Chislon> JDahl, great thank you
[05:39] <dennis__> Alright...now that it is working bwlang...how come gstreamer can't construct a pipeline?
[05:39] <bwlang> okay ...  esd is running and it's owned by you... gstreamer should be able to set its output sink to esd.  try just setting that and leaving the default input at whatever it was before.
[05:40] <synd> holy hell VNC is amazing
[05:40] <bwlang> dennis__: i got that pipeline error once when gstreamer was all screwed up... i had to purge and reinstall to fix it. (probably because i don't really understand how it works)
[05:41] <dennis__> Purge and reinstall eh?
[05:41] <bwlang> synd: it's pretty cool - but not compared to nomachine nx.
[05:41] <bwlang> dennis__: well... i hate to recommend that... but unless somebody with more expertise has a suggestion - that's what i'd do
[05:41] <dennis__> lol
[05:42] <synd> bwlang: nomachine nx??
[05:42] <kangpeh> Hey, I had a quick question...
[05:42] <dennis__> Wow...
[05:42] <dennis__> I got it to connect to a stream
[05:42] <dennis__> and it is playing
[05:42] <kangpeh> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/dists/hoary-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 401 Authorization Required
[05:43] <kangpeh> I've been getting this type of error lately ;O
[05:43] <dennis__> Can anyone recommend a good vector program for Linux?
[05:43] <dennis__> Free?
[05:43] <JDahl> xfig
[05:43] <kangpeh> Anyone know anything about this possible error?
[05:43] <nalioth> dennis__: inkscape
[05:44] <dennis__> How do you close a program that isn't responding?
[05:44] <dennis__> XMMS crashed and won't play or close
[05:44] <dennis__> I can't move it either
[05:44] <bwlang> synd: it rocks compared to vnc... they actually cache X11 objects on the client ... very cool
[05:44] <makotokun> hi everyone...  super noob here
[05:45] <synd> oh i see..
[05:45] <synd> bwlang: is it in the apt?
[05:45] <bwlang> dennis__: xfig is old school - i use that... some people like dia, some like inkscape
[05:45] <dennis__> Ah
[05:45] <dennis__> What about closing apps that are frozen
[05:45] <dennis__> and right click / close doesn't work :D
[05:45] <makotokun> Could someone help me with a problem I have please?
[05:45] <bwlang> synd: i don't think so... i think it's proprietary... vnc is fine if your on a local network and just have one connection
[05:46] <jayson_I> there is an available download mySQL in ubuntu?
[05:46] <JDahl> makotokun, sure, just ask
[05:46] <synd> bwlang: ah i see. is there a way to connect to my home network via vnc from say.. my work?
[05:46] <bwlang> dennis__: ps aux |grep program name ... figure out the PID - then kill PID  or as a last resort kill -9 PID
[05:47] <nalioth> makotokun: speak up
[05:47] <bwlang> synd: you can tunnel vnc inside an ssh session... i use that sometimes.  you'll have to read up on ssh tunnels
[05:47] <nalioth> synd: yes i do it all the time
[05:47] <dennis__> What number is the PID?
[05:47] <nate__> someone, how do you reload x, not restart it?
[05:47] <makotokun> I just installed ubuntu.  I have two hard drives, neither show up as mounted.  I read for 3 hours on mounting them. Tried many things to no avail...
[05:47] <dennis__> thats the same thing :/
[05:47] <bwlang> dennis__: it's the first one (2nd column)
[05:47] <nalioth> synd: its really kewl to be in the cab, keepin up with the home machine
[05:47] <dennis__> okay
[05:47] <dougsk> jayson_I, yes of course version  4.0.23-3ubuntu2
[05:48] <synd> nalioth: how did you go by doing that?
[05:48] <sproingie> is there a pointy clicky interface for setting up IP forwarding, NAT, that sort of thing?
[05:48] <bwlang> nate__: /etc/init.d/gdm restart will totally restart X (assuming you use gdm)
[05:48] <synd> can i do it from os x?! nalioth ?
[05:48] <nalioth> synd: ssh tunneling
[05:48] <dennis__> Bwlang, root@Spartan:/home/dennis # ps aux |grep XMMS
[05:48] <dennis__> root     14082  0.0  0.1   2904   708 pts/0    R+   20:47   0:00 grep XMMS
[05:48] <dennis__> root@Spartan:/home/dennis # kill -9 14082
[05:48] <dennis__> bash: kill: (14082) - No such process
[05:48] <dougsk> sproingie, lots of options firestarter, gaurddog to start
[05:48] <makotokun> I went on ubuntuguide.org and folloed instuctions but it does not seem to work
[05:48] <nalioth> synd: surely
[05:48] <dooglus> dennis__: sodipodi!  :)
[05:48] <dennis__> ?
[05:48] <nalioth> synd: ssh works on all major platforms
[05:48] <bwlang> dennis__: it's case sensitive... the 14082 process is the grep process that is looking for XMMS
[05:48] <sproingie> dougsk: what would you recommend?
[05:49] <dooglus> dennis__: vector program
[05:49] <nalioth> makotokun: what EXACTLY are you trying to do?
[05:49] <dennis__> Isn't that what it is called?
[05:49] <dennis__> XMMS?
[05:49] <dougsk> sproingie, depends on what the needs are.  I'd look at either of the two I mentioned first though
[05:49] <bwlang> dooglus: i think sodipodi died... and became inkscape...
[05:49] <synd> nalioth: how about just on my LAN from OSX?
[05:49] <bwlang> dennis__: i think its xmms... if you do ps aux you can see all the process that are running
[05:49] <dooglus> bwlang: really?
[05:50] <nalioth> synd: same way
[05:50] <bwlang> dooglus: well - i'm not 100% sure... i think so
[05:50] <makotokun> well I want to be able to see an icon for my drives and be able to look at my files.
[05:50] <nalioth> synd: once you get it set up, it works the same whether from a different room or a different continent
[05:50] <dennis__> Okay I killed it :D
[05:50] <dennis__> Yay
[05:50] <makotokun> One of them I had to format of course to install ubuntu.  the other has all my files and is a slave drive
[05:50] <synd> nalioth: what im asking is that is there a vnc viewer for os x
[05:50] <dooglus> bwlang: sodipodi just used 3Mb when I installed it, inkspace wants to use 21Mb
[05:50] <synd> nalioth: rather, what is it?
[05:51] <nalioth> synd: yes  versiontracker.com and pick your fav
[05:51] <dougsk> sproingie, if your on a gnome only system look at firestarter, if you have kdelibs you might checkout guarddog
[05:51] <dennis__> Now to get the sound to work :(
[05:51] <nalioth> synd: or you can have fink install you one
[05:51] <synd> this is exciting
[05:52] <dooglus> here's a comparing of inkscape and sodipodi, with some history: http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?SodiPodi
[05:52] <dougsk> sproingie, if your looking for more complex tools then fwbuilder, shorewall, or straight iptables will certianly handle the task
[05:52] <iceman> wow 2 hours to download 8 cd images
[05:52] <bwlang> dooglus: just did some reading... looks like inkscape is a fork.
[05:52] <dougsk> iceman, I want you connection.
[05:52] <crimsun> psychonate|away: yes, what's up?
[05:52] <synd> this is awesome. im gonna set up a vncserver on my ex's comp so i dont have to waste time going over there to fix shit cause shes too stupid to follow directions ovvvver the phone
[05:52] <synd> over*
[05:52] <dougsk> synd, you might give freenx a look
[05:52] <bwlang> synd: dude.. ex mean - no more free tech support.
[05:53] <nalioth> makotokun: you should read at the www.tldp.org about mounting drives
[05:53] <kangpeh> To whom it may concern, when using synaptic or, in terminal, using apt-get; I encountered such an error which did not allow me to update my packages:  401 Authorization Required.  This occurred when attempting to retrieve http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/dists/hoary-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz.  Should I take that line out of my sources.list?
[05:53] <nalioth> synd: you go! grrl!
[05:53] <sproingie> dougsk: i'm on a kde only system, but i used firestarter.  DAMN that was easy.
[05:53] <synd> bwlang: she gives me free tech support, still. : )
[05:53] <nalioth> heh heh
[05:53] <makotokun> ok thanks ill go there and try
[05:53] <iceman> Anyone seen ftosx ?
[05:53] <sproingie> dougsk: i have been beating my head against the wall ALL DAY, and this did it in literally 10 seconds
[05:53] <dennis__> bwlang,  now, how do I purge and reinstall Gstreamer?
[05:53] <nalioth> kangpeh: backports are trouble, comment the lines out
[05:54] <dougsk> sproingie, yeas nice aint it?
[05:54] <synd> dougsk: freenx for osx?
[05:54] <sproingie> dougsk: thanks ... again, i think -- didn't you help me with the ATI drivers last time?
[05:54] <sproingie> dougsk++
[05:54] <dougsk> synd, not sure tbh
[05:54] <nalioth> synd: freenx is opensourced
[05:54] <dougsk> spacey, nah not a clue about ati.  wrong guy
[05:54] <iceman> Anyone seen this Distro ...FTOSX ?
[05:54] <sproingie> dougsk: heh.  well thanks for the pointer
[05:54] <kangpeh> nalioth:  Thank you kind sir.  I will heed your advice and attempt to comment the lines out at or about 11:57 PM tonight.
[05:55] <bwlang> apt-get remove --purge gstreamer* - you're not going to like that though... it will probably de install a bunch of stuff you like
[05:55] <kangpeh> nalioth:  Once again, I really appreciate your warm and kind help.
[05:55] <synd> nalioth, dougsk, bwlang: thanks guys
[05:55] <dougsk> synd, I didn't do anything,but I'll take credit for it
[05:55] <synd> i have now found entertainment for tonight.. besides this bottle of jim beam
[05:56] <HostingGeek> This channel is a ram eater
[05:56] <nalioth> makotokun: i don't (and most others, too) accept private chats w/o prior request
[05:56] <bwlang> HostingGeek: why - cause it convinces you to install a bunch of X11 software ? :)
[05:56] <dougsk> HostingGeek, I find that it's that open copy of firefox that seems to do it.
[05:57] <^thehatsrule^> HostingGeek, it depends on what client ;p
[05:57] <dougsk> bwlang, point well taken
[05:57] <makotokun> oh sorry
[05:57] <makotokun> im learning
[05:57] <HostingGeek> ^thehatsrule^: Please tell #xchat-gnome to move to a ram friendly core
[05:57] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[05:57] <kangpeh> nalioth:  I have a kind and warm question for you, kind sir.  After removing the backports lines from my sources.list, and looking in synaptic, I noticed Mozilla Firefox was  as 'local or obsolete' as well as wine and other such applicatio.
[05:58] <kangpeh> nalioth:  Where does one get the sources for such applications (officially from UBUNTU)?
[05:58] <^thehatsrule^> use an older xchat maybe?
[05:58] <^thehatsrule^> gtk1 :P
[05:59] <nalioth> kangpeh: and so the reason for not using backports. they break software
[05:59] <HostingGeek> Mr_Smiley: How can a bigpond user smile?
[06:00] <nalioth> !restricted
[06:00] <ubotu> nalioth: Are you smoking crack?
[06:00] <kangpeh> nalioth:  Can you fix my system, kind sir?
[06:00] <nalioth> !restricted
[06:00] <nalioth> now the farking bot is misbehaving
[06:00] <nalioth> kangpeh: one moment please
[06:00] <crimsun> it might just be lagged
[06:00] <kangpeh> nalioth:  Thank you.
[06:00] <nalioth> no it said i was a crackhead immediately
[06:00] <dennis__> bwlang, so how do you suggest I delete and reinstall gstramer?
[06:00] <kangpeh> nalioth:  What is the apt or deb command that shows the packages that are NOT from the sources - but were, rather, local or obsolete?
[06:01] <Mr_Smiley> HostingGeek: haha
[06:01] <nalioth> kangpeh: you would gain more knowledge using synaptic
[06:01] <HostingGeek> !ubotu forget restricted
[06:01] <ubotu> HostingGeek: i forgot restricted
[06:01] <dougsk> kangpeh, if you open up synaptic it has a button for status and the installed local obsolete look there
[06:01] <kangpeh> nalioth: Yes sir.
[06:01] <HostingGeek> !ubotu forget restricted is a typo
[06:01] <ubotu> i forgot restricted is a typo, HostingGeek
[06:01] <HostingGeek> !ubotu restricted is a typo
[06:01] <ubotu> HostingGeek: okay
[06:01] <kangpeh> nalioth: should i just list them?
[06:02] <HostingGeek> !ubotu restricted
[06:02] <ubotu> HostingGeek: No idea
[06:02] <HostingGeek> !ubotu restricted is a typo
[06:02] <bwlang> dennis__: you could try a apt-get install --reinstall first...
[06:02] <nalioth> kangpeh: not here please
[06:02] <HostingGeek> !ubotu restricted is a typo
[06:02] <ubotu> okay, HostingGeek
[06:02] <HostingGeek> !ubotu restricted
[06:02] <ubotu> HostingGeek: I haven't a clue
[06:02] <kangpeh> acoread, cedega, fglrx-6-8-0, flashplayer-mozilla, gaim, gaim-data, gimp, gimp-data, gimp-python, gnome-btdownload, a bunch of libs, mozilla firefox stuff, nero, samba, SYNAPTIC, wine, xchat, etc...
[06:02] <HostingGeek> LEARN STUPID BOT
[06:02] <kangpeh> nalioth:  Those are all in local/obsoleted.
[06:03] <kangpeh> nalioth:  Does that mean my system is failing it hard?
[06:03] <dennis__> root@Spartan:/home/dennis # apt-get install gstreamer --reinstall
[06:03] <dennis__> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[06:03] <dennis__> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:03] <dennis__> What is gstreamer called as a process?
[06:03] <nalioth> kangpeh: not at all
[06:04] <dooglus> does anyone use 'vpnc' in ubuntu?
[06:04] <bwlang> dennis__: you need the package name not the process name... and that whole lock thing is not referring to gstreamer... it's saying that you have another program running that is looking at the package listing.. .eg: synaptic, aptitude etc.
[06:04] <dooglus> dennis__: are you running synaptic at the same time?
[06:04] <dennis__> lol yeah
[06:05] <bwlang> dooglus: don't even know what that is.... some kind of VPN tool?  i use openswan
[06:05] <dooglus> bwlang: it's for talking to Cisco VPN networks.
[06:05] <nalioth> kangpeh: do you have universe and multiverse repositorys enabled?
[06:05] <dennis__> Bah
[06:05] <dennis__> root@Spartan:/home/dennis # apt-get install gstreamer --reinstall
[06:05] <dennis__> Reading package lists... Done
[06:05] <dennis__> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:05] <dennis__> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer
[06:05] <kangpeh> nalioth: yes sir
[06:05] <dooglus> I don't know if openswan can do tha
[06:05] <dooglus> t
[06:05] <kangpeh> nalioth: but why is synaptic listed as old or obsoleted or local
[06:05] <kangpeh> nalioth: and the others like firefox and such
[06:05] <demonic> can anyone help
[06:05] <demonic> me
[06:05] <demonic> A sound probelm,
[06:05] <bwlang> dooglus: openswan can talk to PIX... but it's a PITA to set up
[06:05] <kangpeh> nalioth:  i thought firefox and xchat and such were supported on the ubuntu repositories
[06:06] <bwlang> dooglus: i think there is an interop howto in the openswan wiki
[06:06] <nalioth> kangpeh: you are fine
[06:06] <demonic> 0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1969 Solo-1 Audiodrive (rev 01)
[06:06] <jayson_I> where i can download the help file of ubuntu?
[06:06] <nalioth> kangpeh: backports are "future" versions of programs, recompiled to use on hoary 5.04
[06:06] <bwlang> dennis__: there are like 100 gstreamer packages.. try gstreamer* to reinstall them all
[06:06] <dooglus> bwlang: I had vpnc set up just so on mandriva - but on ubuntu I just can't get it to work
[06:06] <dennis__> okay
[06:06] <nalioth> dennis__: use synaptic, its easier
[06:07] <crimsun> demonic: what's the issue?
[06:07] <dennis__> lol
[06:07] <dennis__> :/
[06:07] <kangpeh> nalioth: i dont get why synaptic is in there though, in the local/obsolete then
[06:07] <kangpeh> nalioth: i thought synaptic was part of ubuntu
[06:07] <demonic> my sound doesnt work
[06:07] <demonic> dont know why
[06:07] <nalioth> kangpeh: your system will work fine regardless of what it is telling you
[06:08] <demonic> 0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1969 Solo-1 Audiodrive (rev 01)
[06:08] <crimsun> demonic: cat /proc/asound/modules
[06:08] <demonic> kk
[06:08] <nalioth> kangpeh: backports cause this sort of trouble, which is why they are not recommened
[06:08] <bwlang> jayson_I: there is no help file per se... you can ask here or use man or read the files in /usr/share/doc/
[06:08] <demonic> demonic@DeMoNiCBoX:~$ cat /proc/asound/modules
[06:08] <demonic> 0 snd_es1938
[06:09] <kangpeh> nalioth:  Yes, sir.
[06:09] <crimsun> demonic: ok, now paste the output from amixer onto http://pastebin.com
[06:09] <FR500>  hello
[06:09] <nalioth> kangpeh: i used them for awhile, then commented them out, and my system hasnt had any trouble since (upgradeing or whatever)
[06:09] <bwlang> dooglus: sorry - don't know anything about it... check out the difference in version and config file
[06:10] <demonic> crimsun how do I do that
[06:10] <crimsun> demonic: open a Terminal, type amixer, then paste all the output from that command onto the pastebin.com web site
[06:10] <nalioth> brb
[06:10] <disasm> JDahl: i tried that python challenge, but i'm not sure what it has to do with python. I did the first two challenges in c++, maybe it changes further down the line
[06:10] <bwlang> demonic: just go to that url... it'll explain the concept
[06:11] <demonic> kk
[06:11] <kangpeh> nalioth: yes sir
[06:11] <kangpeh> nlioth: how do i download breezy
[06:11] <kangpeh> nalioth: i need to be up to date.
[06:11] <kangpeh> nalioth:  people are looking at my cmputer and thinking its outdated cuz they have WindowsXP T_T
[06:11] <kangpeh> nalioth: i can't afford windows which is why i chose ubuntu
[06:11] <crimsun> kangpeh: you do _not_ want to run Breezy
[06:11] <kangpeh> crimsun: its ok
[06:12] <demonic> done
[06:12] <kangpeh> crimsun: i only use IRC and firefox and thunderbird
[06:12] <dennis__> bwlang, I reintalled gstreamer and it still can't construct a pipeline for any plugins :(
[06:12] <kangpeh> and gaim i mean too
[06:12] <disasm> kangpeh: shows what they know ;-)
[06:12] <bwlang> dennis__: does it give you any kind of helpful error message?
[06:12] <JDahl> disasm, maybe you're right - still a good way to learn about Python, dont you think? I dont rememeber them all, but you need regular expressions, and you get to use a lot of Python libraries
[06:12] <dennis__> um
[06:12] <dennis__> Not really
[06:12] <Amaranth> *yawn*
[06:12] <i3dmaster> I failed using smbclient -L //NetBIOS_Name -U username to list the share services on a winxp sp2 box, the error is "Connection to //HOST failed". What might be the issue?
[06:13] <dennis__> "Failed to construct test pipeline for "ESD- Enlightenment Sound Daeomon
[06:13] <disasm> JDahl: yeah, it is pretty cool, i just wanted to see if it was possible not knowing any python to do the challenges ;-)
[06:13] <FR500> i3dmaster, what exactly you trying to do?
[06:13] <i3dmaster> FR500: list share dirs and printers on that win box
[06:13] <i3dmaster> FR500: as the command shows..
[06:14] <FR500> can you see them with nautilus smb://ip_of_the_pc?
[06:14] <dennis__> "Failed to construct test pipeline for "ESD- Enlightenment Sound Daeomon ...did you see this blew bwlang
[06:14] <i3dmaster> FR500: let me see
[06:14] <crimsun> demonic: do you not hear any sound at all?
[06:15] <bwlang> dennis__: hmm.. are you running it from the command line? - anything pop up on the command line?
[06:15] <yahalom> how do i make /etc/resolv.conf a symbolic link to /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf?
[06:16] <bwlang> yahalom... man ln  ln -s /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf
[06:16] <JDahl> yahalom, but are you sure you want to do this?
[06:16] <yahalom> bwlang, thanx
[06:16] <i3dmaster> FR500: it keeps asking me the username and the password which I've provided to and I am sure that's the right username and password cause that's my win box
[06:17] <yahalom> JDahl, yes, why?
[06:17] <demonic> crimsum?
[06:17] <FR500> i3dmaster, windows is stupid
[06:17] <nalioth> kangpeh: breezy is a bad idea
[06:17] <crimsun> demonic: see above question.
[06:17] <demonic> yeah
[06:17] <dennis__> bwlang, Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[06:17] <dennis__> arts_init error: can't connect to aRts soundserver
[06:17] <demonic> sorry I didnt scroll
[06:17] <nalioth> kangpeh: it can break in a major way easily
[06:17] <i3dmaster> FR500: absolutely right
[06:17] <bwlang> dennis__: arts... forget arts - you're not running arts
[06:17] <FR500> i3dmaster, in your windows connection properties on the windoze box, in the authentication area select the 2 later options (check them)
[06:17] <crimsun> demonic: "yes" you do hear other things, or "yes" you cannot hear things?
[06:18] <demonic> cant hear anything
[06:18] <yahalom> bwlang, is ln -s /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf the same thing?
[06:18] <dennis__> So what should I do bwlang
[06:18] <JDahl> yahalom, I just havent seen anyone changing resolv.conf with symlinks (and I thought since you dont know how to symlink, then...)
[06:18] <kangpeh> nalioth
[06:18] <kangpeh> what can break in breezy
[06:18] <kangpeh> o-o-o-o
[06:18] <bwlang> dennis__: are you running the configurator as root? that might explain the auth problem
[06:18] <nalioth> kangpeh: you could have the ugliest appearing linux and you'd still be better off then windoze users
[06:18] <crimsun> kangpeh: everything is in flux. It's a development branch.
[06:18] <dennis__> eah
[06:18] <dennis__> I am
[06:18] <FR500> i3dmaster, ill be back, gotta test wifi
[06:18] <nalioth> kangpeh: everything can break. breezy is a work-in-progress
[06:19] <dennis__> Is that good or bad? root@Spartan:/home/dennis # gstreamer-properties
[06:19] <bwlang> yahalom: no ... your example would make a link  int /etc/resolvconf/run/.. to /etc/resolv.conf
[06:19] <i3dmaster> FR500: thanks anyway
[06:19] <yahalom> JDahl, oh. No i need to it. in order to have my resolv.conf change back to its origina state everytime my isp changes its contens.
[06:19] <bwlang> yahalom: did you man ln ?
[06:19] <demonic> crsium
[06:19] <yahalom> bwlang, thanx. not yet. will do now :)
[06:19] <demonic> I hear something now its just distortion
[06:20] <jasmuz> greets all
[06:20] <FR500> i3dmaster, i'm back
[06:20] <FR500> did it work?
[06:20] <bwlang> dennis__: you can't run X programs as root  - they're not allowed to talk to the xserver being run by "denis" by default... you can authorize all local connections... but better to just run the configurator as denis
[06:21] <dennis__> oh
[06:21] <dennis__> k
[06:22] <crimsun> demonic: are you on a laptop?
[06:22] <FR500> i3dmaster, ?
[06:22] <demonic> no
[06:23] <dennis__> Alright bwlang , it is working now....the test construct anyways
[06:23] <demonic> how do I change the volume for amixer
[06:23] <dennis__> Now how do I get rhythmbox to work?
[06:23] <FR500> what is the ubuntu device database for?
[06:23] <FR500> dennis__, open it and open some files
[06:23] <demonic> I try alsaconf but that dont work
[06:23] <bwlang> dennis__: well - that was easy... - just run rhythmbox... it should use the output stream you just specified
[06:24] <bwlang> FR500: not sure... maybe hotplug?
[06:24] <crimsun> demonic: that's because there is no alsaconf in Ubuntu.
[06:24] <FR500> oh
[06:24] <dennis__> bwlang...it wont play it :(
[06:24] <crimsun> demonic: use the up and down arrows in alsamixer (different program from amixer)
[06:25] <FR500> has anyone installed kismet on ubuntu?
[06:25] <dennis__> FOr some reason it won't play mp3s but it will play radio streams :/
[06:25] <i3dmaster> FR500: hey here, I was going to the #samba channel and see if anyone knows about this problem, but unfortunately, that cha was so quiet...
[06:25] <FR500> and, is beagle fixed now?
[06:25] <bwlang> dennis__: do you have the volumen turned up in rhythmbox?  check to be sure that you have the gstreamer0.8-misc package installed
[06:25] <FR500> i3dmaster, did it work (enbling the 2 checkbosxes)
[06:25] <crimsun> demonic: is PnP OS enabled in bios?
[06:25] <crimsun> demonic: if so, disable it
[06:26] <demonic> by the way im running an old acer box
[06:26] <FR500> acer aspire?
[06:26] <dts> howcome my "apostrophe"+letter is all messed up as if it were french or something
[06:26] <demonic> acerpower 6100
[06:26] <i3dmaster> FR500: ok, I think I need a little bit more clear instructions, I went to the network connection properties windows, and there are two checkboxes but am i correct?
[06:27] <FR500> i remember the quick restore (windows) didnt work well, had some incompatibilities
[06:27] <demonic> whatts pnp0s
[06:27] <bwlang> dennis__: try to play some wav file from rhythmbox - that will validate rhythmbox's connection to gstremaer
[06:27] <dennis__> I don't have an wavs :/
[06:27] <dts> dennis__, you've got my alternate screen name :-D
[06:27] <bwlang> dennis__: they're built in....
[06:28] <dennis__> lol
[06:28] <crimsun> demonic: it's plug n' play OS. It's a bios option.
[06:28] <i3dmaster> FR500: by the way, I've turned off the security stuff from sp2
[06:28] <bwlang> dennis__: look in /usr/share/sounds
[06:28] <dennis__> Built in?
[06:28] <dennis__> Okay
[06:28] <demonic> I mm any thanks for tring to help
[06:28] <FR500> i3dmaster, i pm'd u
[06:28] <demonic> *trying\
[06:28] <i3dmaster> FR500: k
[06:28] <bwlang> dennis__: locate .wav should spit out a bunch of wav files
[06:29] <dennis__> It is not playing...
[06:30] <dennis__> :/
[06:31] <dts> how do i stop linux from turning 'e into an e with a thing over it?
[06:31] <JDahl> dts type "' e"
[06:32] <dennis__> bwlang, it doesn
[06:32] <dennis__> play anything
[06:32] <dennis__> just silence
[06:32] <JDahl> dts, you probably have your keyboard setup to "deadkeys"
[06:32] <dts> JDahl, can i turn that off somehow, because it annoying
[06:32] <JoshYme1> I am trying to install prism54 and it is giving me errors during the make modules process..
[06:32] <dts> JDahl, where do i set that?
[06:33] <dts> JoshYme1, why are you compuling it manualy?
[06:33] <JoshYme1> dts, I thought that is what I had to do ?
[06:34] <bwlang> dennis__: hmm i'm stumped... no error messages... just silence? does it look like it's playing?
[06:34] <dts> JoshYme1, it should be installed by default
[06:34] <dts> JoshYme1, do lsmod if you have the card pluged in
[06:34] <JoshYme1> dts, ahhh.. hmm.. how should I go and try to configure my wifi card then?
[06:34] <JoshYme1> ah ok
[06:34] <dennis__> bwlang, nope...it just opens it and then nothing happens
[06:34] <dts> JoshYme1, do you see something prism'ish
[06:34] <dennis__> Music Player opens and then it just sits there...
[06:34] <shadeofgrey> okay guys i need a primer from you on fonts in ubuntu
[06:34] <dennis__> "Not playing"
[06:35] <shadeofgrey> i do a lot of web work, and a lot of my graphics are just words with stylized fonts and dividers
[06:35] <JoshYme1> dts, nope nothing prism'ish...
[06:35] <dts> JDahl, so I have the keyboard set to pc105 what should i change it too?
[06:35] <bwlang> dennis__: sounds like it does not know how to read the file...
[06:36] <nalioth> shadeofgrey: if your work is viewed by the taint that is M$, try mscorefonts
[06:36] <JDahl> dts, I am not sure how you change it... try googling for "Ubuntu deadkey"
[06:36] <dennis__> bwlang, so what should I do now?
[06:36] <dts> JoshYme1, do you have iwconfig installed?
[06:36] <JoshYme1> dts, I am able to run it and it says no wireless extensions.
[06:36] <shadeofgrey> but can ttf fonts be used?
[06:37] <nalioth> yes, any ttf fonts you like
[06:37] <FR500> JoshYme1, are you sure you need drivers? prism should work out of the box with the orinocco drivers
[06:37] <bwlang> dennis__: not sure... do you have all the gstreamer0.8-* stuff installed?
[06:37] <dennis__> yup
[06:37] <dts> JoshYme1, does it list a wireless card
[06:38] <JoshYme1> dts, no it does not.
[06:38] <dennis__> Like I said, I don't think it is a sound problem...just a file problem
[06:38] <bwlang> dennis__: given that the config tool is able to play sounds it looks like gstreamer is okay.
[06:38] <dennis__> because I'm listening to the radio with it right now..
[06:38] <bwlang> dennis__: you're listening to streaming mp3?
[06:39] <bwlang> FlimFlamMan: uconn? i went to uconn
[06:39] <dennis__> In Music Player
[06:39] <JoshYme1> dts, ay idea's/
[06:39] <dennis__> I clicked on Radio
[06:39] <dennis__> And I'm listening to Virgin Radio Classic Rock
[06:39] <FlimFlamMan> hi bwlang
[06:39] <bwlang> dennis__: well that's streaming mp3... so maybe there's some permission problem on your mp3 library or something.
[06:40] <dennis__> Hmmm
[06:40] <bwlang> FlimFlamMan: what's that dfs bit?
[06:40] <FlimFlamMan> bwlang, i'm an employee with student affairs
[06:40] <bwlang> FlimFlamMan: you're working late ;)
[06:40] <FlimFlamMan> bwlang, server upgrade  :-)
[06:41] <FlimFlamMan> and also...  :
[06:41] <navyn> i'm trying to install kde in ubuntu, but it keeps telling me that security.ubuntu.com 404 not found
[06:41] <FlimFlamMan> i have a system with winxp installed, on a disk with a single partition taking all the drivespace.  is it possible to create a new partition for dual-boot from the ubuntu install disk?
[06:41] <FR500> has anyone got enlightment to look like the screenshots?
[06:41] <dts> JoshYme1, you might me right, sorry man
[06:42] <dts> JoshYme1, it just worked out of the box with a prism2 card
[06:42] <nalioth> FlimFlamMan: recommend partition magic
[06:42] <bwlang> FlimFlamMan: gparted might be able to resize... but i think probably not... you may need partition magic
[06:42] <nalioth> FlimFlamMan: otw, data loss will occur
[06:42] <FlimFlamMan> dang.
[06:42] <navyn> i only need like 18.2 meg left to finish installing kde, but it won't install because of the security.ubuntu.com is down
[06:42] <crimsun> navyn: it's up
[06:43] <FlimFlamMan> no F/OSS equiv to partition magic?
[06:43] <crimsun> navyn: I just now pulled updates for an amd64 machine
[06:43] <navyn> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs-bin_3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_i386.deb  404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[06:43] <dennis__> Bah
[06:43] <nalioth> FlimFlamMan: parted and its gui brethren work well, but not on ntfs
[06:44] <navyn> i get that same thing for like 4 or 5 files
[06:45] <FlimFlamMan> nalioth, oh, right...
[06:45] <dennis__> Anyone have an mp3 online...i need to test something...
[06:45] <goldfish_> dennis__: one second
[06:45] <dennis__> Okay.
[06:45] <nalioth> dennis__: www.shoutcast.com?
[06:47] <navyn> Err http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main kdelibs-bin 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1
[06:47] <navyn>   404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[06:47] <navyn> Err http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main kdelibs-data 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1
[06:47] <navyn>   404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[06:47] <navyn> Err http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main kdelibs4 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1
[06:47] <navyn>   404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[06:47] <navyn> Err http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main kdelibs 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1
[06:47] <navyn>   404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[06:47] <navyn> Err http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main kdelibs4-dev 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1
[06:47] <navyn>   404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[06:47] <navyn> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs-bin_3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_i386.deb  404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[06:47] <navyn> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs-data_3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb  404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[06:47] <bwlang> dennis__: http://www.viennateng.com/listen/audio/warm_strangers/mp3/viennateng-harbor.mp3.zip
[06:47] <navyn> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs4_3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_i386.deb  404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[06:47] <navyn> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs_3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb  404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[06:47] <goldfish_> ?
[06:48] <navyn> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs4-dev_3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_i386.deb  404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[06:48] <navyn> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[06:48] <navyn> sorry
[06:48] <crimsun> dude, don't flood in here
[06:48] <robink> use a pastebin next time
[06:48] <bwlang> dennis: don't forget to unzip it
[06:48] <navyn> i said sorry.  it was accident
[06:48] <nalioth> navyn: or a private msg window
[06:49] <navyn> is there another source or mirror i can use to finish my kde install?
[06:50] <nalioth> navyn: is there a us.security.ubuntu.com?
[06:51] <navyn> i don't think so
[06:51] <dennis__> bwlang, the mp3 doesnt play
[06:52] <bwlang> dennis__: wierd - it can decode mp3 (since it does that over the wire with streaming radio) but it can't read your file...
[06:52] <tandy> anyone know where i change that setting to allow ubuntu firefox version to access the extentions website
[06:52] <dennis__> Hmmm
[06:52] <tandy> Setting general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4 in about:config
[06:52] <tandy> where do i set that
[06:52] <dennis__> :x
[06:53] <dennis__> I wish I could get this to work
[06:53] <_0ri0n_> fucking lamers !
[06:53] <monchy> love you too
[06:53] <crimsun> language, please.
[06:54] <podge> dennis__, What are you have trouble with?
[06:54] <dennis__> Getting an mp3 to play
[06:54] <nalioth> tandy: you answered your own question
[06:54] <podge> dennis__, What player?
[06:54] <dennis__> rhythmbox
[06:55] <tandy> nalioth: no where is about:config ...im not familair with firefox settings
[06:55] <podge> dennis__, What is the problem? Volume? Getting error message?
[06:55] <dennis__> It just won't play mp3 files
[06:55] <tandy> nalioth dont really knwo wut that means :/
[06:55] <dennis__> I can play streams just not the files
[06:55] <nalioth> tandy: put "about:config" in your address bar
[06:55] <nalioth> tandy: in place of www.microsoft.com
[06:55] <podge> dennis__, I have a default install here.. I will give it a go..
[06:55] <bwlang> podge: glad you're jumping in here... i'm at my wit's end  on his problem.
[06:55] <tandy> nalioth, oh lol
[06:55] <dennis__> Okay
[06:56] <nalioth> tandy: then you can try the old standby about:mozilla
[06:56] <podge> bwlang, Not sure if I know anything yet.. :)
[06:56] <tandy> nalioth: ok got it..thanks..i thought that was a config file somewhere hehe
[06:57] <JoshYme1> dts, When I go into the device manager it has my netgear wifi card listed.
[06:58] <nalioth> tandy: there is a config file somewhere, but its easier in the about:config manner
[06:58] <FR500> lately my ubuntu suddenly starts reading from hd, and gets very very very slow
[06:59] <FR500> i can't do anything till i restart x
[06:59] <FR500> any ideas on what is wrong?
[06:59] <tandy> nalioth: yeah i didnt think it was that easy thast awesome
[06:59] <podge> dennis__: FYI.. I am using Muine as my player now..
[07:00] <Lafitte-> has anyone setup 15" widescreen resolution ?   mine is not present in the list of options
[07:00] <Lafitte-> JoshYme1,  hey   hows Ubuntu going ?
[07:00] <Lafitte-> just saw ya in here :)
[07:00] <nalioth> tandy: there are (via google) all kind of ways to "pimp" your firefox via about:config (and as many ways to bugger it)
[07:00] <JoshYme1> Lafitte-, good.. I'm trying to get my wifi card going.  when i go into the device manager it is there
[07:01] <Lafitte-> JoshYme1,  ok      i can elp ya
[07:01] <tandy> nalioth: hehe, i just wanted to download an extension and because of this numbering system with ubuntu i couldnt ge on the site
[07:01] <nalioth> tandy: yes the ubuntu-devs are out of mountain dew or something
[07:02] <podge> dennis__, So have you been able to import the files into Rhythmbox?
[07:02] <sinope> can i change my window manager and still use gnome?
[07:02] <sinope> i know how for kde... but that's it
[07:03] <tandy> nalioth, hey as long as the security updates are there its fine with me :)
[07:04] <ronybeck> When ever I run a admin type program ( e.g. network-admin ) and I enter the root password, it rejects the password despite the password being correct.  what could be wrong?
[07:04] <Chislon> if i set up a  partitian and install ubuntu and dual boot... how hard is it to undo all of that?
[07:04] <tandy> Chislon delete the partiton and restore the mbr
[07:04] <Chislon> tandy, whats mbr
[07:04] <ronybeck> ChinaCatJones, no harder then setting it up to begin with ;)
[07:04] <nalioth> tandy: yup
[07:05] <ronybeck> Chislon, Master Boot Record
[07:05] <tandy> Chislon, master boot record
[07:05] <Chislon> ok.. lol and whats that
[07:05] <hondje> Automagical mounting stopped working for an unknown reason about a week ago.  I was just putzing around to find why it's not being cool anymore, and I passed a restart dbus-1 script.  Now when I mount /dev/hdc, no icon shows up on the desktop, and nautilus complains about /dev/hdc already being mounted when I try to visit it
[07:05] <tandy> chislon or really u could leave it but u will ahve the option to go into ubunut which wont exist
[07:05] <ronybeck> Chislon, it is a bit at the start of the hard drive that points to the boot loader.  The boot load is what boots the operating system
[07:05] <hondje> anyone see something like that?
[07:05] <tandy> Chislon why dont u try out the live cd
[07:06] <Chislon> tandy, i tried it a bit last night
[07:06] <hondje> I'm concerned I caused borkage while making some pkgs in a stupid way
[07:06] <sinope> hi sorry about that
[07:06] <Chislon> but im not ready to give up windows, not sure how everygthing will really go, so im not sure how big to make the partition
[07:06] <tandy> Chislon you dual booting with windows?
[07:06] <Chislon> ya
[07:06] <sinope> so yeah, i want to use ion within gnome
[07:06] <sinope> anybody know how?
[07:06] <dennis__> podge, nope
[07:06] <yahalom> anyone here use fetchyahoo?
[07:06] <Chislon> if at some point i decide that linux or windows isnt for me and just want one, or want to change the size of the partition, is this doable?
[07:06] <Chislon> like withotu being insanely difficult
[07:07] <ronybeck> Chislon, it would be a good idea to learn how to rewrite the boot record with windows before you install linux.  That way you know you can return the system back to windows should you dislike linux
[07:07] <tandy> Chislon depends wuts diffcult to u..but yes its doable
[07:07] <yahalom> or who is at least familiar with sool and mbox?
[07:07] <Chislon> ronybeck, any tips on how to learn to do that
[07:07] <tandy> and wut ronybeck suggested is good idea
[07:07] <JDahl> Chislon, yes, you just reformat the partition you want to reuse
[07:07] <ronybeck> Chislon, i could do it in windows 98 but I don't use windows enough to know that kind of thing
[07:07] <leo_mx> how can i know the "commands" for the openoffice apps?
[07:08] <ronybeck> leo_mx, they start with oo
[07:08] <vladuz> anybody know about ubuntu on ibook?
[07:08] <leo_mx> thanks rony
[07:08] <ronybeck> leo_mx, for example.  oowriter for the word processer
[07:08] <Chislon> JDahl, ok so if i have a partition A size X, and Partision B size Y, but i want Y to be size Z, so i just reformat Y to Z?
[07:08] <tandy> Chislon: i beleive there are tools on win xp cd to restore windows
[07:08] <hondje> leo_mx: type oo and hit tab twice in a terminal
[07:08] <Chislon> er rather reformat B to size z
[07:08] <tandy> Chislon: but idont holdm e to windows stuff :)
[07:08] <leo_mx> ohh ltes see
[07:08] <Chislon> tandy, heh heh ok thank you
[07:09] <vladuz> hello, anybody wanna help me out?
[07:09] <tandy> vladuz surei f i can help
[07:09] <tandy> lol
[07:09] <yahalom> vladuz, whats ur issue?
[07:09] <Chislon> like i will still want windows for gaming, but this laptop isnt crazy good at games anyway, but not sure how much space i need and if i will fully convert to linux... tho i imagine i will, i cant be certain
[07:09] <ronybeck> Chislon, but before you erase linux from your hard drive, get windows booting on its own with its own boot loader.
[07:09] <vladuz> just wanna know if anyone has any experience with ubuntu on ppc
[07:10] <JDahl> Chislon, sorry - I was misunderstood you... I suggest you just reformat the partition you want removed and use it without repartitioning/resizing
[07:10] <ChkNpIMP> heh :0
[07:10] <Chislon> is it possible after partitioning to return to only one partition if i decide i want only windows or ubuntu on it?
[07:10] <yahalom> vladuz, try #mac
[07:10] <ChkNpIMP> ronybeck: I was coming here to ask if there is a URL that outlines how to install ubuntu (if it's possible) on SATA raid partition with windows as the bootstrap
[07:10] <vladuz> cool, thanks
[07:10] <Chislon> er i may not have used the right word
[07:10] <yahalom> vladuz,might be ppl there who used/use ubuntu on pcc
[07:11] <Chislon> like i have my harddrive now which is just one drive, if i add a partition it becomes two, right, so after i do that can i make it one again? with no partition?
[07:11] <JDahl> chislon, let's say you want to remove ubuntu - then you reformat it and make a D: drive in windows; isnt that good enough?
[07:11] <diego> Chislon: there's always going to be at least 1 partition if you want it to be usable
[07:13] <dennis__> podge, you there?
[07:14] <ronybeck> ChkNpIMP, prolly not.  I am to new to ubuntu to know where all the doco is
[07:14] <ChkNpIMP> yeah i searched :/
[07:14] <ChkNpIMP> i think i may have to break the raid 0 arrays and go with standalone drives
[07:14] <ChkNpIMP> Hard Disks: [Total/Free: 627.9/465.7GB  Total/Free space on: C: 68.94/28.32GB  D: 400/281.91GB  F: 158.95/155.47GB]
[07:15] <LinuxNIT--> anyone know of a program for flashing the bios wihle in linux?
[07:15] <leo_mx> mmm if i want to create an icon shortcut for the "console"..which command should i tell the icon to use to bring it up?
[07:15] <ChkNpIMP> i got plenty of disk space to play around with, its just both drives are setup raid 0
[07:15] <Chislon> went afk
[07:15] <ronybeck> Chislon, afk == away fucking kanagroos ;)
[07:16] <ChkNpIMP> LinuxNIT-- - it would be dependent upon your MOBO mfg to supply that ive never seen a linux bios flasher
[07:16] <Chislon> its not a big deal, but i want to know if i can make it all fall under C: again or its linux equivalent
[07:16] <Chislon> ronybeck, if you could not use the lang around me id appreciate it
[07:16] <ronybeck> ?
[07:17] <LinuxNIT--> ok
[07:17] <Chislon> language
[07:18] <ronybeck> Chislon, fair enough.  Don't go outside though.  ;)
[07:19] <Chislon> ronybeck, heh heh, indeed
[07:20] <Chislon> ronybeck, thank you
[07:20] <ronybeck> When ever I run a admin type program ( e.g. network-admin ) and I enter the root password, it rejects the password despite the password being correct.  what could be wrong?
[07:20] <ronybeck> or is this by design
[07:20] <GuiRC> Hello!
[07:21] <GuiRC> people, I need to install my winmodem (hsp56, pctel), but I can't do it! can you help me?
[07:21] <Chislon> so is it possible to make everything back to under C: or just the root rather than having two drives after i dual boot?
[07:21] <net18> juli
[07:22] <CruNcher> does someone here thinks too that Guadec this year was more like a Microsoft Styled Presentation ?
[07:23] <dennis__> bwlang, you there?
[07:23] <ronybeck> GuiRC, that is a tricky modem
[07:23] <dennis__> podge, you there?
[07:24] <ronybeck> GuiRC, I believe I have a URL that can help.  give me a minue
[07:24] <ronybeck> minute even
[07:24] <GuiRC> ronybeck: ok!
[07:24] <GuiRC> ronybeck: I tried many things and instructions, but nothing works!
[07:25] <dennis__> Damn!!!
[07:25] <dennis__> They all left :(
[07:25] <ronybeck> GuiRC, it is a laptop you are using right?
[07:25] <elmaya> is there a way to remove the "debian" entry menu in the main menu?
[07:26] <GuiRC> ronybeck: no, desktop
[07:27] <synd> ugh, i got vnc viewer working on my linux boxes but vnc wont render the desktops on OS X
[07:27] <ronybeck> Guerin, and you got a PCTEL modem?  Yuk
[07:27] <ronybeck> GuiRC, ve you been here: http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/pctel-linux/welcome.html
[07:28] <GuiRC> ronybeck: yeah, when I was 13 years old! :D
[07:28] <ronybeck> GuiRC, ah then you are excused ;)
[07:28] <podge> dennis__, Sorry.. missus took over the computer..
[07:28] <ronybeck> GuiRC, does your modem show up in gnome volume controls?  i.e. does ASLA know about it?
[07:29] <GuiRC> ronybeck: i'm annoyed because i have to use windows to connect and to search a solution and restart with ubuntu to try to solve the problem
[07:29] <dennis__> lol
[07:29] <dennis__> podge, any luck?
[07:29] <ronybeck> GuiRC, get an external modem
[07:29] <ronybeck> GuiRC, no driver problems.   Choose the folder with the MP3s in it..  does it give you an error?
[07:29] <dennis__> Nope
[07:30] <GuiRC> ronybeck: yeah
[07:30] <ronybeck> GuiRC, Iyou have been to that URL before?
[07:30] <GuiRC> ronybeck: maybe when ADSL comes from my street :/
[07:30] <podge> dennis__, Interesting.
[07:30] <GuiRC> ronybeck: comes TO
[07:30] <dennis__> Yeah :/
[07:30] <GuiRC> sorry
[07:31] <podge> dennis__, Can you see the MP3 files in the music browser?
[07:31] <dennis__> Nope....
[07:32] <podge> dennis__, ummm.. So the import didn't work then..
[07:32] <ronybeck> GuiRC, so did the drivers no install?
[07:32] <dennis__> Guess not...
[07:33] <podge> dennis__, So.. are you sure you did the Import folder correctly?
[07:33] <dennis__> yes
[07:33] <jayson_I> can asp run in the ubuntu?
[07:34] <ronybeck> brb
[07:34] <dennis__> podge i got an error....There i no plugin installed to handle a mp3 file
[07:34] <podge> dennis__, That helps HEAPS!!!
[07:35] <podge> dennis__, I get the same error.. I will fix the issue here.. and then tell you...
[07:35] <dennis__> k
[07:36] <podge> dennis__, Have you read the instructions in the RestrictedFormats wiki?
[07:36] <dennis__> No....
[07:36] <podge> dennis__, That would help.. :)
[07:37] <dennis__> lol
[07:37] <podge> dennis__, Go here.. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:37] <dennis__> I'm so tired...ill just let you fix it :D
[07:37] <podge> dennis__, And follow the instructions for adding MP3 support to rhythmbox..
[07:37] <dennis__> Okay
[07:39] <dennis__> podge, I already installed that plugin :/
[07:39] <podge> dennis__, Pretty much apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:39] <dennis__> Did that already
[07:39] <dennis__> root@Spartan:/home/dennis # apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:39] <dennis__> Reading package lists... Done
[07:39] <dennis__> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:39] <dennis__> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:39] <podge> dennis__, Did you add the universe repository?
[07:40] <dennis__> No
[07:40] <podge> dennis__, You need to add universe...
[07:42] <dennis__> I'm confused
[07:42] <dennis__> I'm in synaptic
[07:42] <dennis__> I an editing the source thingy
[07:42] <dennis__> But what do I put under sections
[07:42] <transgress> anyone know how to change the fontsize on the menu's in gnome?
[07:43] <jpm_> anyone know the dark magic needed to make ubuntu work with a audigy ls sound card?
[07:44] <dennis__> jpm_, was that suppose to be a joke?
[07:44] <dennis__> because it wasn't funny
[07:44] <jpm_> dennis__, i wish
[07:44] <Lafitte-> anyone good at setting monitor specs   for widescreen lcd
[07:46] <dr_willis> Lafitte-,  i recall a web site that you entered your specs and it'd generat the xmode line.
[07:47] <dr_willis> Lafitte-, http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl
[07:48] <jayson_I> can asp run in ubuntu?
[07:48] <Khakionion> So...is the Ubuntu "Circle of People" logo thingie copyrighted?
[07:49] <Khakionion> Because if it is... http://spaces.msn.com/
[07:50] <dr_willis> Khakionion,  you mean their little 3 people logo?
[07:50] <transgress> so no one knows how i can make the font smaller for my menu's in gnome?
[07:51] <dr_willis> transgress,  i think its in the theme detaiials..
[07:51] <dr_willis> I normally make my fonts larger
[07:51] <Khakionion> Yeah...just wondering/thinking aloud, the MSN Spaces "3 People" logo appears to be vastly similar to the Ubuntu one
[07:51] <transgress> not anywhere that i see
[07:51] <dr_willis> Khakionion,  i doubt if a lawsuit is needed.
[07:52] <podge> dennis__, Bad time for me.. friends just dropped over.. haha..
[07:52] <podge> dennis__, Follow these instructions.. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto/ to add universe..
[07:53] <Khakionion> Yeah, I figured as much.  Though I'd bring it up, though...interesting similarity
[07:54] <Lafitte-> anyone know bout 855resolution package  ??
[07:54] <robitaille> transgress,  go into "system", then "preferences", then in the font section,  and change the size for "application font"
[07:54] <Lafitte-> im wndering about how to use it
[07:55] <Khakionion> I know 855resolution didn't work on my Intel i810, but an arbitrary ModeLine I swiped from some mailing list did.
[07:55] <Lafitte-> Khakionion,  i need to get my widescreen set   can you help me ?
[07:56] <Lafitte-> Khakionion,  i have same setup  sounds like
[07:56] <Khakionion> Perhaps.   Can anyone tell me how to change this so that I can launch a different player whenever I double click these file formats?
[08:06] <jasmuz> Lafitte-: sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[08:06] <sevets> Can someone tell me how I determine if a drive is empty and how to format it?
[08:07] <sevets> floo: go into the properties of each file and select the open with tab
[08:07] <jasmuz> sevets: is your drive already mounted?
[08:07] <weedar> sevets: df shows the disk usage of all mounted partitions, qtparted lets you partition and format your drives
[08:07] <sevets> floo: then find the program you want as default and then select it
[08:08] <sevets> jasmuz: no, how do I mount it?
[08:08] <sevets> weedar: thankyou
[08:08] <floo> sevets, thank you very much.  I can't believe it's that simple... cheers!
[08:08] <sevets> floo: np :D
[08:09] <jasmuz> sevets: sudo mount /dev/hd /mount point    (do refer the hd block hda, hdb or hdc, and the place to mount it
[08:09] <jayson_I> helooo
[08:09] <jayson_I> what's up dude!!!
[08:09] <Lafitte-> Khakionion,  tht progrm doesnt even list my resolution at all
[08:11] <sevets> jasmuz: if it is NTFS formated it will mount as read only?
[08:12] <jasmuz> sevets: yes..
[08:13] <sevets> for some reason I am unable to access the hd..
[08:13] <sevets> I mounted it in /
[08:13] <jasmuz> sevets: its not good to mount it in /
[08:14] <sevets> where is a better place?
[08:14] <jasmuz> you should make a /media/foofolder to mount it too
[08:14] <sevets> ok
[08:14] <Epix> aah, anyone use moonedit? when i download it, all i get is the server!
[08:15] <synd> is it possible for the FBI to be monitoring your outgoing information?
[08:15] <synd> ie. gaim chats
[08:16] <podge> dennis__: Any luck?
[08:16] <sevets> jasmuz: how do I remove a mount point?
[08:16] <jasmuz> synd: its possible anyone could be picking up up you chats...
[08:16] <Viking`> sure, most chat protocols are not encrypted
[08:17] <jasmuz> sevets: rephrase that question please
[08:18] <sevets> jasmuz: I mounted hdb the first time and then I mounted it in a /media folder like you said and now there are two mount points for /dev/hdb
[08:18] <sevets> perhaps it is 2 different partitions?
[08:18] <synd> my network is secure. but what about after the data has passed thru the firewall?
[08:19] <jasmuz> sevets: do this to only mount what you have in /etc/fstab, # sudo mount -a
[08:19] <jasmuz> sevets: and then mount the other disk to the mount point
[08:19] <Viking`> sevets, maybe you need to remove an extra entry from /etc/fstab?
[08:20] <sevets> Perhaps let me check
[08:20] <carthik> synd, there is a gaim secure chat mode/plugin
[08:20] <synd> i know
[08:20] <carthik> synd, all info should be assumed listened-in on, unless otherwise specified :)
[08:20] <synd> but my dumbfuck friend doesnt know how to add the gaim plugin
[08:21] <carthik> synd, easy, bro:)
[08:21] <Viking`> synd, without encryption the Internet is like sending postcards by snail mail
[08:21] <sevets> hmm
[08:21] <synd> i realize that
[08:21] <synd> ugh
[08:21] <synd> methinks the govt is watching me
[08:22] <carthik> dont we all?