[05:34] <K-Ryan> Oh you know what I mean, but thanks for the tip.
[05:34] <surgy> better?
[05:34] <K-Ryan> yes surgy =P
[05:34] <manchicken> And while calculators aren't particularly complicated, I still think you might be better off asking Riddell if he had something small and simple that you needed a hand on.
[05:35] <ForgeAus> man whats the difference? theres source at some point which is always a script, right?
[05:35] <K-Ryan> but I can't contribute if I dont know anything about it =/
[05:35] <manchicken> ForgeAus: Scripts are executed by programs running on an operating system.  Compiled programs are run by an operating system.
[05:35] <ForgeAus> binaries themselves are OUTPUT (often executables) from the compiled source, that's true..
[05:36] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Learning to program is a bit of a catch-22, but not really.
[05:36] <ForgeAus> lol manchicken
[05:36] <K-Ryan> It's intimidating to jump into an already built code
[05:36] <manchicken> K-Ryan: You can't learn until you have something to work on, and you can't have something to work on until you've learned a bit.
[05:36] <manchicken> It is intimidating.
[05:36] <frenris> just get the g++ compiler and google c++ tutorials
[05:36] <manchicken> But it's really not that hard.
[05:36] <frenris> then go into kate
[05:36] <frenris> what I've been doing
[05:37] <ForgeAus> K-ryan theres lots of apps for programming under linux
[05:37] <frenris> and its been sort of working
[05:37] <K-Ryan> frenris page by page doesn't cut it for me
[05:37] <ForgeAus> from kdevelop for one :)
[05:37] <ForgeAus> which reminds me I better install that :)
[05:37] <manchicken> For all of you aspiring programmers, find something to contribute with, and see if you can find someone to help collaborate with you.
[05:37] <manchicken> I wish we had something like webex for the free software folks.
[05:37] <manchicken> How's that IP phone stuff work?
[05:38] <manchicken> Maybe a combo VNC and IP phone would work well.
[05:38] <K-Ryan> IP phone?
[05:38] <manchicken> Collaborative development is the best way to learn.
[05:38] <manchicken> Yeah.  Like vonage
[05:38] <intelikey> echo -e '#!/bin/bash \n\n# a very simple bash calculator that often errors out and doesn't do decimals \n \n echo "$(( $* ))" \n' > calc.bash ;chmod 755 calc.bash ;./calc.bash '4 * 4'
[05:38] <manchicken> But without a monthly bill ^_^
[05:38] <K-Ryan> Oh I think I know what you mean
[05:38] <coreymon77> how do i install rpms?
[05:38] <K-Ryan> coreymon77 im told they dont work with kubuntu
[05:38] <K-Ryan> you need a .deb
[05:39] <coreymon77> how do i convert an rpm to a deb
[05:39] <manchicken> !rpm
[05:39] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[05:39] <K-Ryan> or use some program called alien and convert it to a .deb which sounded risky
[05:39] <intelikey> K-Ryan   drop that string in konsole  ^
[05:39] <ForgeAus> manchicken I think the reverse of that suggestion for programmers would be better.. umho its better to find someone to collaborate before you find something to contribute...
[05:39] <ForgeAus> yum doesn't work tho
[05:39] <coreymon77> what was this fakeroot thing ive heard
[05:39] <ForgeAus> the python urlgrabber is wrong version or something
[05:39] <frenris> !sudo
[05:39] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:39] <ForgeAus> !yum
[05:40] <ubotu> yum: Advanced front-end for rpm. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.4.0-3.1 (edgy), package size 197 kB, installed size 960 kB
[05:40] <coreymon77> !fakeroot
[05:40] <ubotu> fakeroot: Gives a fake root environment. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.9ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 92 kB, installed size 376 kB
[05:40] <K-Ryan> it didnt do anything intelikey
[05:40] <K-Ryan> i probably copied it wrong but its ok
[05:40] <frenris> !kuake
[05:40] <ubotu> kuake: Console which looks like Quake game console. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-5 (edgy), package size 44 kB, installed size 244 kB
[05:40] <frenris> !yakuake
[05:40] <ubotu> yakuake: Yet Another Kuake, KDE terminal emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.7.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 67 kB, installed size 488 kB
[05:40] <intelikey> echo -e '#!/bin/bash \n\n# a very simple bash calculator that often errors out and doesnt do decimals \n \n echo "$(( $* ))" \n' > calc.bash ;chmod 755 calc.bash ;./calc.bash '4 * 4'
[05:40] <frenris> what's the diff?
[05:40] <manchicken> ForgeAus: Working on an established codebase is much easier to learn with than writing something new.  The order of deciding projects and finding a buddy are of no real consequence IMO.
[05:40] <coreymon77> i should use yum?
[05:40] <intelikey> you must have missed something.
[05:40] <K-Ryan> probably, but im learning C++
[05:40] <ForgeAus> corey not necessarily
[05:41] <ForgeAus> actually you should try to use alien or deb's if possible
[05:41] <intelikey> K-Ryan ok.
[05:41] <coreymon77> so wait
[05:41] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Swimming in existing code is easier to learn with.
[05:41] <coreymon77> dont use yum
[05:41] <ForgeAus> but if you have to use an rpm yum is a graphical tool for it but I can't seem to get it working in kubuntu as yet
[05:41] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Try `apt-get source kedit` and swim in that source.
[05:41] <coreymon77> alien can convert it to a deb
[05:41] <coreymon77> cant itt?
[05:41] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Or try swimming in kcalc
[05:41] <ForgeAus> yes
[05:42] <manchicken> K-Ryan: See if you can implement little changes.
[05:42] <K-Ryan> where is the source saved?
[05:42] <ForgeAus> and hopefully depending on how you install the .deb someting like aptitude can find all the dependancies and fill them in for you!
[05:42] <K-Ryan> like swap the numbers so it would frustrate someone(prank calculator) =D
[05:42] <intelikey> K-Ryan you want c code for calculators  look at bc
[05:42] <coreymon77> what do you mean how i install the deb
[05:42] <manchicken> K-Ryan: That's what I love about apt-get.  It'll fetch source packages to your $PWD
[05:42] <K-Ryan> PWD?
[05:42] <manchicken> Present Working Directory
[05:43] <K-Ryan> Where's that?
[05:43] <manchicken> ./
[05:43] <coreymon77> dont i just right click on it and install it?
[05:43] <ForgeAus> .deb files are debian packages... theres various programs that install them
[05:43] <intelikey> man pwd
[05:43] <ForgeAus> corey, possibly
[05:43] <coreymon77> i knwo that
[05:43] <ForgeAus> that may work
[05:43] <coreymon77> it uses dpkg
[05:43] <ForgeAus> (but if theres missing dependancies it may not work)
[05:43] <manchicken> K-Ryan: If you `cd /etc/apt` and then `echo $PWD`, it'll tell you that you're in /etc/apt
[05:43] <coreymon77> once i use the deb i can just use aptitude to get the deps
[05:44] <ForgeAus> ahh present? thats kewl my teacher always said it was Print working directory, I thought there was something strange about that!
[05:44] <K-Ryan> umm
[05:44] <K-Ryan> Actually h/o
[05:44] <ForgeAus> yes corey that should work
[05:44] <ForgeAus> (or apt-get even)
[05:44] <manchicken> ForgeAus: Yeah, $PWD is present working directory ^_^
[05:44] <ForgeAus> depending on what your comfortable with
[05:45] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Is there any small feature you'd like to see in any program you commonly use?
[05:45] <K-Ryan> Mmmm, nope not really
[05:46] <intelikey> heh   man pwd >>> DESCRIPTION
[05:46] <intelikey>        Print the full filename of the current working directory.
[05:46] <K-Ryan> okay now, i download the kcacl thing
[05:46] <coreymon77> wierd
[05:46] <surgy> why is firefox "loading application" and then dies and does nothing?
[05:46] <manchicken> intelikey: The command, but not the $PWD
[05:46] <coreymon77> why is alien giving me this message twice
[05:46] <ForgeAus> eek filename? shoudl be pathname
[05:46] <K-Ryan> and i now have a "kdeutils-3.5.5" folder and lots of files
[05:46] <coreymon77> hostname: Unknown host
[05:46] <zen> hello
[05:46] <intelikey> manchicken that's not the "name" that's the DESCRIPTION
[05:47] <K-Ryan> Where is the actual code in this mess of kdeutils
[05:47] <manchicken> Nice.
[05:47] <manchicken> That's one of the things that I deem as "of zero consequence" ^_^
[05:47] <ForgeAus> kryan probably isn't code
[05:47] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Do a find for it.
[05:47] <ForgeAus> sometimes you can download the source...
[05:47] <ForgeAus> which is code
[05:47] <zen> i got a proble when i run my adept tells me im not able to install or remove any software couse another application is using adept and to close that first but how is that possible if i just logged in?
[05:47] <ForgeAus> (but I know at least SOME of KDE is written in python (rather than C++) which is a different programming language
[05:47] <zen> m*
[05:48] <Minataku> surgy: Are you starting it from a command line?
[05:48] <surgy> no but i assume i should to see output
[05:48] <nate_> my edgy seems to run slow and borky, are there any optimizing apps, or somthing, because i have a good upto date system, core2duo 2ghz, 2gb ram, blah blah nlah
[05:48] <manchicken> ForgeAus: He's talking about source he downloaded ^_^
[05:48] <nate_> i change to xfce, didnt really make a difference
[05:48] <ForgeAus> or you can look for a disassembler :(... but the variables aren't likely to be easy to track/understand...
[05:48] <intelikey> manchicken you can learn a few things from them i guess... if you don't already know.   but the reason i posted it was the fact that it says  "full filename of the current working directory"    inode maybe  file no.
[05:48] <ForgeAus> man, oh ok...
[05:48] <K-Ryan> whats the source called?
[05:48] <manchicken> cd into the kdeutils directory it just created, and then into kcalc or whatever.
[05:49] <ForgeAus> well then is it archived? if so doesn't he just have to extract the archive?
[05:49] <Minataku> surgy: You're learning :D
[05:49] <distro-test> i got a proble when i run my adept tells me im not able to install or remove any software couse another application is using adept and to close that first but how is that possible if i just logged in?
[05:49] <K-Ryan> uhh, yeah, that was a stupid question...
[05:49] <ForgeAus> K-Ryan source files have an extension often based on the language used
[05:49] <manchicken> K-Ryan: then look for the "int main" function.
[05:49] <surgy> minataku: lol
[05:49] <K-Ryan> the whole "where is it" tgubg
[05:49] <manchicken> Go from there ^_^
[05:49] <distro-test> can some one help me on this please?
[05:49] <manchicken> .cpp files are C++ files, .h files are header files.
[05:50] <ForgeAus> C++ uses .h for headers, and .c for main code (sometimes theres variations like .hpp and .cpp or .h++ and .c++ but mostly its .h and .c... - CSharp uses .cs... )
[05:50] <Minataku> surgy: Indeed, always when something fails silently, launch it from a console... it ain't so quiet after all ;3
[05:50] <intelikey> distro-test lock files
[05:50] <ForgeAus> python often uses .py
[05:50] <K-Ryan> manchicken: what is static?
[05:50] <distro-test> hi intel u mean they hacked me?
[05:50] <surgy> minataku: lesson learned i have a host of problems got some gurus talking me through it ill post output when i can
[05:51] <intelikey> no i mean that's how it's possable.  a lock file
[05:51] <Minataku> surgy: k, just remember to post it to a pastebin if it's a whole lot of lines
[05:51] <distro-test> im 1 time on linux if u can explain me better what i have to do?
[05:51] <K-Ryan> distro-test what is your normal language?
[05:51] <surgy> minataku: i whouldnt dream of anything else :)
[05:51] <distro-test> italian
[05:51] <K-Ryan> !it
[05:51] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:51] <Minataku> You're well on your way to becoming a great Linux user :D
[05:51] <distro-test> thanx
[05:51] <ForgeAus> wow I didn't know monodevlop required firefox as a depenancy! lol hmmm have to uninstall that and use seamonkey maybe instead
[05:52] <K-Ryan> Your welcome
[05:52] <ForgeAus> (is seamonkey the same as what the mozilla suite used to be?)
[05:52] <Minataku> Not that you're doing badly now, of course :D
[05:52] <distro-test> but in italy it's 6 am now so i nead help here
[05:52] <ForgeAus> (ie basically firefox+thunderbird+composer+chatzilla and possibly some other stuff that I can't think of off the top of my head)
[05:52] <intelikey> distro-test many linux uses "lock files" to tell applications that they are already running.  normally something like xorg.lock  or just lock in a special dir.   but although that was your question you probably just want to know how to fix it...
[05:52] <distro-test> btw i can speak english even if i lack in grammar
[05:52] <intelikey> !fixbrokendpkg
[05:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixbrokendpkg - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:53] <intelikey> !fix broken
[05:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fix broken - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:53] <distro-test> yes that intel
[05:53] <manchicken> K-Ryan: http://www.functionx.com/managedcpp/keywords/static.htm
[05:53] <K-Ryan> distro-test i figured it might be easier
[05:53] <intelikey> well theres an info node here somewhere...
[05:53] <surgy> grumbles
[05:53] <manchicken> K-Ryan: You'll find that I'm a terrible teacher, but I'm pretty good with collaboration.
[05:53] <distro-test> couse everytime i log in firestarter askes me for root pass to work very boring if there is a way to avoid that to pluse this problem i have whit adept
[05:54] <K-Ryan> im never going to get this down right...
[05:54] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Programming to me is like driving.  It seems so simple to me, and it's so normal to me, that it's hard for me to step out of that point of view.
[05:54] <distro-test> how u solve it then couse adept keeps telling me some thing is using adept and won't let me install remove nead to solve now for the rest is super 1 time on linux and kubuntu 6.10
[05:55] <K-Ryan> !adeptfix | distro-test
[05:55] <ubotu> distro-test: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[05:55] <distro-test> ok
[05:55] <surgy> if i right click something and click "put into run dialog" what exactly does that do?
[05:55] <Eruantalon> Aaarrgghhhh I just spend 2 hours trying to make the qprocess class in qt work as it is supposed to in the manual. Only now do i discover that i am reading the qt 4.2 manual and not 3.3 that i am actually using. TIME TO GO TO BED!
[05:55] <distro-test> for the annoying password require that firestarter askes me every log in to start is there anything to do?
[05:56] <K-Ryan> Not sure
[05:56] <Minataku> I love the cgsix Sun logo
[05:56] <Minataku> It's so pretty
[05:56] <distro-test> btw i think it was automatix to brake adept couse i installed skype and nvdia drivers whit it
[05:56] <K-Ryan> you want to see pretty?
[05:56] <K-Ryan> Minataku go put in konsole "sudo apt-get install cmatrx && cmatrix
[05:56] <Minataku> It's also really out of place set into the plain white OpenBoot console
[05:56] <Minataku> But that just makes it better
[05:56] <K-Ryan> err, sudo apt-get install cmatrix
[05:57] <Minataku> lol
[05:57] <K-Ryan> i forgot that i in there
[05:57] <K-Ryan> seriously though
[05:57] <Minataku> I'll emerge it instead
[05:57] <distro-test> ill remove automatix seems broke adept up
[05:57] <Minataku> Though I've seen it before all the same, and it is nice :D
[05:57] <K-Ryan> Came across it while scouring packages
[05:57] <K-Ryan> what else was fun....
[05:57] <ForgeAus> yeah distro be careful with automatix
[05:57] <K-Ryan> xbill
[05:57] <Minataku> xscreensaver is always good
[05:58] <Minataku> I love the BSOD screensaver
[05:58] <intelikey> !automatix
[05:58] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[05:58] <distro-test> can u paste me the ubotu command to fix adept so i copy paste it in console i have to be logged in as root first right?
[05:58] <ForgeAus> rofl
[05:58] <Minataku> Despite the fact that it picks fonts that are completely wrong
[05:58] <Minataku> I'm a purist, I like it to be correct
[05:58] <Minataku> xscreensaver's choices are far from correct
[05:58] <distro-test> purist are the ruin of linux
[05:58] <ForgeAus> I had no problem with Automatix2 personally but that doesn't mean it will work for all configurations
[05:58] <K-Ryan> hold on, im listening to something and need to get it's name
[05:58] <distro-test> but automatix sucks in nvdia drivers a part
[05:59] <intelikey> ruin of linux    hehhe
[05:59] <distro-test> eheh
[05:59] <ForgeAus> ie I guess thats why theres the !WorksForMe trigger there :)
[05:59] <Minataku> I mean in my simulations
[05:59] <Minataku> I like them to be correct
[05:59] <distro-test> next step for linux simple and compatible go novell
[05:59] <Minataku> xscreensaver/bsod is not correct
[05:59] <ForgeAus> novell! no thanx
[05:59] <Minataku> Novell has a Linux. It's called SuSE
[05:59] <ForgeAus> suse is a pain!
[05:59] <Minataku> Or did they give that all away
[06:00] <distro-test> intel can u paste me the adept fix command ubotu so i copy paste it in console?
[06:00] <Minataku> SuSE is where I started, but it was better back then
[06:00] <K-Ryan> Novell? Isn't that the program they on school computers?
[06:00] <Minataku> They make that program
[06:00] <intelikey> sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:00] <ForgeAus> K-Ryan Novell is a company
[06:00] <ForgeAus> that had awesome networking software :)
[06:01] <K-Ryan> But they do make that program
[06:01] <distro-test> by go novell i mean the next step to make linux compatible and make bill deal so will be 50 50 % world whit linux in the game to not just m$
[06:01] <Minataku> Mythbusters Pirate Special on NOW - Discovery Channel
[06:01] <ForgeAus> but they also make other software...
[06:01] <distro-test> instead purist want it hard and pure linux and people keep using windows
[06:01] <K-Ryan> Minataku I saw a bit of it
[06:01] <ForgeAus> SuSE is their current Linux distribution
[06:01] <distro-test> thanx intel
[06:01] <K-Ryan> Minataku didn't catch the very end though
[06:01] <Minataku> Microsoft can make their own Linux
[06:01] <Minataku> Why they haven't thrown their hat into the ring is beyond me
[06:01] <ForgeAus> they could
[06:01] <Minataku> They can charge for it, too
[06:01] <ForgeAus> Micrux?
[06:02] <K-Ryan> Ahahahahaha
[06:02] <Minataku> Not just for support, either
[06:02] <ForgeAus> or linsoft?
[06:02] <K-Ryan> MicroTux
[06:02] <K-Ryan> icon would be a baby Tux
[06:02] <ForgeAus> rofl
[06:02] <K-Ryan> lol
[06:02] <Minataku> Doors
[06:02] <K-Ryan> Doors? o.O
[06:02] <distro-test> opensuse is one of the best desktop distros whit fedora but i like kubuntu better now
[06:02] <newlinuxguy> Awesome... got kubuntu installed, not so good... now I have an error - artsmessage sound server fatal error - cpu overload. aborting
[06:02] <ForgeAus> Microsoft with the word START wrapped around a penguin! rofl
[06:02] <intelikey> distro-test and i couldn't agree more with your some what broken rant.   i am a purist by that definition.
[06:02] <Minataku> K-Ryan: Vs. Windows
[06:02] <Minataku> lol
[06:02] <newlinuxguy> I will google and try to be self-dependant
[06:02] <newlinuxguy> but just in case
[06:02] <Minataku> Perhaps Ceilings?
[06:02] <Minataku> XD
[06:02] <distro-test> hehe thanx intel  means your smart
[06:03] <K-Ryan> I don't get it o.O
[06:03] <K-Ryan> OH!
[06:03] <K-Ryan> HAHAH!
[06:03] <Minataku> lol
[06:03] <newlinuxguy> are you guys aware of arts causing a sound server fatal error?
[06:03] <smaggard_> did u hear about the ford/microsoft deal
[06:03] <Minataku> IMO Arts is a fatal error
[06:03] <Minataku> But that's beyond
[06:03] <Minataku> XD
[06:03] <newlinuxguy> :D
[06:03] <K-Ryan> ford and microsoft?
[06:03] <smaggard_> microsoft will be joining ford in developing incar communications and display... great now blue screens when ur driving down the road.
[06:03] <K-Ryan> Buy a truck get a discount on Vista?
[06:03] <Minataku> I don't like magical hardware absracting obfuscations like artsd
[06:04] <distro-test> but it's a logical thing in this capitalist world we can't be purist but deal whit out loosing freedom of course other wise if u keep pure u keep limitated and isolated
[06:04] <Minataku> Especially since it's far more sane to just use the API provided by ALSA/OSS
[06:04] <ForgeAus> anyway windows has several possible linux layers from X-servers like X-ming to basically a redhat distro in cygwin!
[06:04] <K-Ryan> "Hold on honey let me find out where to go....*BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH* OH NO WE'RE LOST!*Calls onstar* I GOT THE BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH HELP ME!"
[06:04] <ForgeAus> hmmm I wonder if yum would work in that! rofl
[06:04] <Minataku> Say, does the stock Ubuntu kernel have ALSA with OSS Emulation?
[06:04] <distro-test> is there any program to improve english grammar on kubuntu or check spelling that would be great for me ?
[06:04] <newlinuxguy> okay
[06:04] <newlinuxguy> minataku
[06:04] <smaggard_> lol
[06:04] <intelikey> smaggard_ would that be BSoC ?
[06:04] <smaggard_> BSOD on the highway!!
[06:05] <newlinuxguy> you are throwing alot of stuff at me
[06:05] <ForgeAus> but then cygwin isn't microsoft's its more redhats!
[06:05] <Minataku> K-Ryan: Then over the phone you hear the MS Text-To-Speech say "Windows has encountered an error..."
[06:05] <ForgeAus> just runs IN MS Windows
[06:05] <Minataku> XD
[06:05] <smaggard_> LOL
[06:05] <ForgeAus> (as the environment)
[06:05] <intelikey> blue screen of CRASH
[06:05] <K-Ryan> PFFFF! AHAHAHAH
[06:05] <Minataku> Then the whole truck crashes
[06:05] <Minataku> Literally
[06:05] <Minataku> XD
[06:05] <smaggard_> then the airbags go off
[06:05] <K-Ryan> *Blue screen of death, AIRBAG!*
[06:05] <distro-test> i nead a spell checker ahah and some english class program does kubuntu support the service?
[06:05] <smaggard_> lol
[06:05] <smaggard_> BSODA
[06:05] <smaggard_> i mean BSOD,A
[06:05] <Minataku> GPS, how do I get to the end of my driveway?
[06:05] <smaggard_> lol
[06:05] <Minataku> Drive forward 36000mi
[06:05] <intelikey> bsodoa
[06:05] <K-Ryan> ahahaha
[06:06] <Minataku> XD
[06:06] <ForgeAus> why microsoft made XP's STOP error screen blue I'll never know1
[06:06] <Minataku> It's always been blue
[06:06] <ForgeAus> wouldn't you think red would make more sense?
[06:06] <smaggard_> what kind of idiots are ford for integrating buggy unstable non open code
[06:06] <Minataku> Since 3.1
[06:06] <K-Ryan> Well I mean, where there is windows, linux finds a way
[06:06] <smaggard_> yeah red would make more sense, but i think they think blue is less scary to ppl who have no clue
[06:07] <ForgeAus> K-Ryan for the most part yes... but not completely... at least not yet
[06:07] <intelikey> smaggard_ the kind you can buy of course
[06:07] <ForgeAus> smaggard if you have a BSOD your not meant to have a clue anyway right?
[06:07] <smaggard_> obviously
[06:07] <Minataku> lol
[06:07] <intelikey> don't think M$ doesn't buy things like that.
[06:07] <Minataku> Well, red would invoke panic
[06:07] <smaggard_> didnt think about that
[06:07] <Minataku> Which is what Windows just did
[06:07] <K-Ryan> ForgeAus: We got it on the Xbox right?
[06:07] <smaggard_> lol
[06:07] <Minataku> I guess they figured why have the user panic too
[06:07] <distro-test> intel  u know any programs to check spelling and take english classes i could install from adept?
[06:07] <ForgeAus> also the info on the BSOD itself tends to be as cryptic as they can make it for
[06:07] <K-Ryan> Beat Micro$oft on its on platform!
[06:08] <smaggard_> all im saying is ford would have been much farther ahead to use open source software
[06:08] <Minataku> ForgeAus: You have to look it up to decode it
[06:08] <Minataku> No questions
[06:08] <Minataku> They'll tell you all about it if you look
[06:08] <ForgeAus> X-Box! lol I aren't into X-Box
[06:08] <smaggard_> yeah basically
[06:08] <ForgeAus> I used to like PSX but not sure about PS3
[06:08] <ForgeAus> PS2 is kewl (I just didn't go there)
[06:08] <smaggard_> haha did you see those smashxbox360 videos?
[06:08] <distro-test> btw the adept bug is fixied thanx it was automatix faoult ill remove it now
[06:08] <intelikey> distro-test ispell aspell myspell  and friends...   as for the english classes, not really.
[06:09] <ForgeAus> lol too many dictionaries!
[06:09] <smaggard_> the only thing is... they still bought/supported ms tho
[06:09] <Minataku> Sony is far more dangerous to digital rights than Microsoft
[06:09] <Minataku> Even more dangerous is Apple
[06:09] <smaggard_> yeah sony could really put a hurt
[06:09] <intelikey> ForgeAus there are more  pspell comes to mind.
[06:09] <ForgeAus> Minataku even with palladium taken into account? wow.. thats BAD
[06:10] <smaggard_> i would rather direct a customer to a mac than to say stay on windows
[06:10] <K-Ryan> Sony and its rootkits
[06:10] <Minataku> smaggard_: That's terrible
[06:10] <K-Ryan> BAD! BAD SONY!
[06:10] <distro-test> btw u nead to do 2 things in ubuntu distros then they are super put a partioner good and easy as anaconda and put video card drivers and flash player in it orfind easy way to install them whit a click
[06:10] <Minataku> Considering all Intel Macs come with a TPM chip
[06:10] <K-Ryan> distro-test it is easy to install flash
[06:10] <smaggard_> a wat?
[06:10] <Minataku> I believe that the ONLY reason Apple switched to Intel was for Palladium and TCPA
[06:10] <ForgeAus> intellikey can't there be some dictionary interface where you only HAVE to have one, and serve out to whatever apps ask for it?... isntead of having diff apps use ispell or hspell or this spell or that spell or the other spell?
[06:10] <Minataku> There was no other reason whatsoever
[06:10] <smaggard_> brb gotta google somethin lol
[06:10] <intelikey> smaggard_ go wash your hands with soap for typing such things.
[06:10] <intelikey> go !
[06:10] <K-Ryan> but, google is good!
[06:10] <Minataku> smaggard_: "Treacherous Computing" aka TCPA
[06:11] <K-Ryan> Well actually....
[06:11] <distro-test> i nead to install flash but it's to hard from console for new users can u help help me Ryan?
[06:11] <ForgeAus> I shouldn't be MADE to install 2 dictionaries unless I want to!
[06:11] <K-Ryan> !flash-nonfree
[06:11] <Minataku> Implemented via TPM chip, aka "Treacherous Platform Module"
[06:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flash-nonfree - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:11] <intelikey> TC
[06:11] <distro-test> even video drivers where hard had to use automatix
[06:11] <smaggard_> u would recommend sticking with MS rather than going apple?
[06:11] <intelikey> TCG
[06:11] <K-Ryan> What's the flash package name guys?
[06:11] <K-Ryan> distro-test video drivers can be a pain
[06:11] <intelikey> TCPM
[06:11] <Minataku> It's what gives anyone who isn't you control over your computer
[06:11] <intelikey> and friends
[06:11] <smaggard_> whoah
[06:11] <nate_> how can i have a osx style dock?
[06:12] <Minataku> Instead of the RIAA suing you, they'll just go into your computer and do as they see fit
[06:12] <Minataku> And THEN sue you
[06:12] <smaggard_> lol
[06:12] <smaggard_> dang
[06:12] <distro-test> not if u use automatix u should  improve it so it gets one whit the distro and dosen't brake system couse some stuff is still to hard on ubuntu distros
[06:12] <smaggard_> that suxxx
[06:12] <Minataku> One sec
[06:12] <frenris> In terms of evil-ness is this correct RIAA > Sony > Apple > Microsoft > Yahoo > Google?
[06:12] <Minataku> I guess I better pastebin this
[06:12] <Minataku> One moment please...
[06:12] <Minataku> !pastebin
[06:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:13] <distro-test> so what's the easy way for begginers to install flash 9 im not able from console ryan yet
[06:13] <distro-test> can u get it from the repository?
[06:13] <K-Ryan> distro-test that is the easy way
[06:13] <bxnp> is it possible to connecto to my computer behind a wifi router on port 80
[06:13] <K-Ryan> "sudo apt-get install <package name>"
[06:13] <K-Ryan> that's it
[06:13] <bxnp> i dont have acces to the accespoint cause its from my neighbour
[06:14] <bxnp> and he is a sleep right now :)
[06:14] <Minataku> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2389/ << Here, all the links you need on TCPA/etc
[06:14] <distro-test> sudo as to long in first as root ?
[06:14] <Minataku> Look at that, trust me, it's important
[06:14] <frenris> pretty sure it's not in the repos. distro-test, Get automatix is you don't have it already.
[06:14] <intelikey> !sudo
[06:14] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:14] <distro-test> no automatix brakes system
[06:14] <distro-test> ill try console way but nead some help
[06:15] <intelikey> !flash9
[06:15] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[06:15] <intelikey> !botsnack
[06:15] <ubotu> Yum!
[06:15] <Jucato> they still haven't updated it to Flash 9 final
[06:15] <distro-test> that's great how u do that?
[06:15] <Minataku> Non-free flash is pretty much useless
[06:15] <distro-test> hi jucato
[06:15] <Minataku> As unfortunate as it is
[06:15] <intelikey> !ubotu
[06:15] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:15] <Minataku> Er
[06:15] <Minataku> s/Non-free/Free/
[06:16] <distro-test> things seem going well here but automarix crashed adept im removing it now
[06:16] <Minataku> The GPL, reverse-engineered Flash players are outdated in implementation and quite pointless to use
[06:16] <distro-test> ubotu install flash player 9 for me?
[06:16] <intelikey> !flash9
[06:16] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[06:16] <Minataku> Adobe seems to be scrambling to make that happen
[06:16] <distro-test> teach me unix ubotu haah
[06:17] <intelikey> !cli
[06:17] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[06:17] <Minataku> What with the insane advancements in Flash numbers
[06:17] <distro-test> ubotu how old are u?
[06:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about how old are u? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:17] <K-Ryan> He's a bot
[06:17] <intelikey> !stats
[06:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stats - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:17] <K-Ryan> Minataku it's for show
 Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[06:17] <distro-test> i know im joking whit him
[06:17] <K-Ryan> !botsnack
[06:17] <distro-test> ubotu hello
[06:17] <ubotu> Yum!
[06:18] <ubotu> hello: The classic greeting, and a good example. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.1-4 (edgy), package size 47 kB, installed size 472 kB
[06:18] <K-Ryan> hello seems to be a packge
[06:18] <Minataku> K-Ryan: Wrong person, check where your pointers dereference to
[06:18] <Minataku> lol
[06:18] <distro-test> ryan do i have to istall yum to hadle rpm better?
[06:18] <K-Ryan> What Minataku?
[06:18] <Minataku> K-Ryan: I wasn't playing with the bot
[06:19] <bxnp> you install alien distro-test
[06:19] <intelikey> why didn't !stats work ?     it works in pm
[06:19] <Minataku> Or am I at fault
[06:19] <K-Ryan> Minataku I was talking about the flash numbers
[06:19] <distro-test> and what about yum do i nead it?
[06:19] <Minataku> lol
[06:19] <Minataku> Oh
[06:19] <Minataku> K-Ryan: Sorry
[06:19] <Minataku> Misread XD
[06:19] <K-Ryan> It's ok
[06:19] <newlinuxguy> silly question
[06:19] <newlinuxguy> hehe
[06:19] <newlinuxguy> where is the control center, is it actually labeled that?
[06:19] <newlinuxguy> I'm trying to disable the sound server
[06:20] <intelikey> newlinuxguy kmenu > system
[06:20] <frenris> !sony
[06:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sony - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:20] <frenris> !evil
[06:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about evil - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:20] <frenris> !microsoft
[06:20] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[06:20] <intelikey> newlinuxguy or in a konsole or alt+f2 type kcontrol
[06:20] <Minataku> I don't understand why KDE needs that stupid artsd... why isn't just using the actual kernel sound system good enough?
[06:20] <intelikey> !kcontrol
[06:20] <ubotu> kcontrol: control center for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 2815 kB, installed size 9008 kB
[06:20] <newlinuxguy> I see an info center
[06:21] <newlinuxguy> okay
[06:21] <newlinuxguy> lemme click here
[06:21] <distro-test> i seen yum is optional u advise me to install it?
[06:21] <K-Ryan> !yum
[06:21] <ubotu> yum: Advanced front-end for rpm. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.4.0-3.1 (edgy), package size 197 kB, installed size 960 kB
[06:22] <K-Ryan> Oh that's what yum is..
[06:22] <Minataku> Heehee, they made cannonballs by spraypainting a bunch of dodgeballs black
[06:22] <K-Ryan> Minataku they get cannon balls later, don't worry
[06:22] <Minataku> K-Ryan: I know, I've seen it before
[06:22] <Minataku> Twice, in fact
[06:22] <K-Ryan> Oh
[06:22] <Minataku> I'm a Mythbusters addict
[06:22] <Minataku> :D
[06:23] <distro-test> well yum seems the best solution for rpm whit alien ill put both
[06:23] <K-Ryan> Me too except weekends im up late then fall asleep right away
[06:23] <Minataku> K-Ryan: Heh, I watch it online if it's not on TV
[06:23] <Minataku> XD
[06:23] <K-Ryan> and week days im on the comp when MB is on, then its on after i fall asleep
[06:23] <K-Ryan> Oh, I could try that...
[06:25] <newlinuxguy> is the k menu literally supposed to have a control center link in it?
[06:25] <newlinuxguy> i feel so like my name :D
[06:25] <Minataku> lol
[06:25] <Minataku> Real Linux doesn't have a kmenu
[06:25] <spawn57> hehe
[06:25] <Minataku> XD
[06:26] <newlinuxguy> <------
[06:26] <Minataku> Though in reality, Linux is nothing more than the kernel
[06:26] <Jucato> newlinuxguy: in Kubuntu, you have System Settings instead of KControl
[06:26] <manchicken> Minataku: Real linux is just the kernel.  It doesn't have any really usable interface.
[06:26] <intelikey> newlinuxguy yes  you can right click the kmenu or task bar and configure it  to show all some or very little of the possable menu itoms
[06:26] <Minataku> Yeah
[06:26] <Minataku> lol
[06:27] <Minataku> newlinuxguy: And you're already doing good making the first step
[06:27] <intelikey> newlinuxguy one thing you learn about kde is "RIGHT CLICK EVERYTING"  :)
[06:27] <Minataku> Let me guess, one look at Vista and you were sold... on Linux :D
[06:27] <K-Ryan> lol it's true, what intelikey said
[06:27] <manchicken> Minataku: Even the shell is a program having nothing to do with the kernel..
[06:27] <Minataku> manchicken: I know this
[06:27] <Minataku> I said that 2s before you did
[06:27] <Minataku> lol
[06:28] <zen> !adeptfix
[06:28] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[06:28] <K-Ryan> Manchicken, how would I go about implementing an image viewer into frostwire?
[06:28] <K-Ryan> or any program for that matter
[06:28] <K-Ryan> konqueror, you know
[06:28] <zen> this command fixed it only once when i reboot still tells me another application is using adept
[06:28] <K-Ryan> just for ease
[06:28] <Minataku> manchicken: I'm a Gentoo user, I know my way around Linux very well
[06:28] <K-Ryan> I figure frostwire has a nice tab system
[06:28] <Minataku> Both the Linux kernel and it's more-or-less GNU userland
[06:28] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Well, you could embed kaffeine...
[06:29] <K-Ryan> kaffeine does images too?
[06:29] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Oh, you said images...
[06:29] <manchicken> K-Ryan: I thought you said video for some insane reason that makes no sense.
[06:29] <Minataku> lol
[06:29] <intelikey> Minataku & manchicken i'll go you one better even init/upstart is an app having nothing to do with the kernel other than the kernel is programed to call that when it first loads.
[06:29] <K-Ryan> Nope
[06:29] <Minataku> Porn isn't all videos :D
[06:29] <K-Ryan> -.-
[06:29] <Minataku> XD
[06:29] <Dr_willis> audio porn!
[06:29] <manchicken> Minataku: Gentoo doesn't make you familiar with linux.  Hacking kernel code or GCC code makes you familiar with linux.
[06:29] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:29] <K-Ryan> I was waiting for someone to say what Minataku was getting at
[06:30] <K-Ryan> However, it's the tab thing I'm after
[06:30] <K-Ryan> not the naughty stuff
[06:30] <Minataku> manchicken: I configure my own kernels and have even assisted in troubleshooting
[06:30] <Minataku> Piyoko (my main Linux system) had an annoying ACPI bug
[06:30] <manchicken> Minataku: You can do that in any distro.  Having used Gentoo doesn't really mean any different there ;)
[06:30] <Minataku> Where acpi_os_allocate would allocate itself a slab then keep it
[06:31] <Minataku> Resulting in a slow memory leak much like a hypodermic needlehole in a tire
[06:31] <manchicken> K-Ryan: QPixmap is good for what you're doing.
[06:31] <newlinuxguy> i assume disabling artd will solve my problem then
[06:31] <newlinuxguy> 'lets see here...
[06:31] <Minataku> manchicken: I know, but what I'm saying is that I'm hardly new to any of this
[06:31] <zen> intel the command u told me fixed adept but just once and tryied to update java when i reboot got the same problem whit adept do
[06:31] <manchicken> K-Ryan: The Qt Assistant proggy is very useful.
[06:31] <Minataku> I just got lured in here by promises of free swag
[06:31] <zen> !adeptfix
[06:31] <Minataku> XD
[06:31] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[06:31] <prak> has anyone encountered problems with installing adobe flash 9 package on kubuntu edgy?
[06:32] <manchicken> Minataku: That's cool.  ^_^
[06:32] <K-Ryan> I have neither, but no matter, I'm not attempting it tonight, too late
[06:32] <manchicken> Minataku: Some Gentoo folks think that just because they're Gentoo folks that they're somehow more knowledgeable ^_^
[06:32] <Minataku> I just downloaded the Flash 9 tar.gz from Adobe
[06:32] <Dr_willis> !flash9
[06:32] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[06:32] <K-Ryan> Yeaaah....
[06:32] <K-Ryan> I was just about to say
[06:32] <intelikey> zen sounds like you are trying to install java through adept and you can't answer the EULA
[06:32] <Minataku> manchicken: Well, compared to the "I just switched" Kubuntu user, I am, but that's another part of why I'm here...
[06:32] <intelikey> try through the cli
[06:33] <Minataku> To help them become as knowledgeable as I am
[06:33] <zen> yes some thign like like that the update run but got stuck afther
[06:33] <Minataku> And breed more Linux users :D
[06:33] <K-Ryan> Let it breed like rabbits
[06:33] <zen> and when i try to run adept tells me again some other application is using it is there any thing i can do to fix?
[06:33] <manchicken> Minataku: Knowing where your knowledge isn't shows more wisdom than knowing where your knowledge is.
[06:34] <zen> 1 thing to do later is remove automatix
[06:34] <intelikey> sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:34] <manchicken> Minataku: And we should be training GNU users.  Just using the kernel won't help anybody.
[06:34] <Minataku> lol
[06:34] <Minataku> manchicken: Okay, enough confusing them
[06:34] <zen> ok that command worked once till reboot intel
[06:34] <manchicken> Minataku: Calling it "Linux" is what's confusing folks.
[06:34] <Minataku> "Linux is only the kernel" is advanced knowledge ;D
[06:34] <K-Ryan> GNU is the graphical part right?
[06:35] <intelikey> K-Ryan no
[06:35] <Minataku> K-Ryan: GNU is any application coded and maintaned by GNU
[06:35] <manchicken> K-Ryan: GNU is the core operating system, everything that sits ontop of the kernel.
[06:35] <intelikey> http://www.gnu.org
[06:35] <manchicken> K-Ryan: X is the GUI.
[06:35] <K-Ryan> Oh I get it
[06:35] <Minataku> manchicken: Not really
[06:35] <manchicken> And then KDE.
[06:35] <Minataku> GNU is the critical userland utilities
[06:35] <manchicken> Minataku: Name one program not in a dramatic way touched by GNU on a kubuntu system.
[06:36] <newlinuxguy> man this day has not felt better than winblows yet
[06:36] <zen> ok its updating java again let's hope dosen't crash
[06:36] <prak> dr_willis and ubotu, do I just type !flash9 and !backports?
[06:36] <newlinuxguy> hours of install (got a new cd-rom that did the trick) now a sound problem
[06:36] <newlinuxguy> hehe
[06:36] <newlinuxguy> :)
[06:36] <zen> u advise me to remove automatix afther intel?
[06:36] <newlinuxguy> I think I can I think I can
[06:36] <intelikey> Minataku actually one might say "gnu is the license that keeps the source code free"
[06:36] <Minataku> manchicken: I'm just saying that it's not technically correct to call it the core OS since really it's not the OS at all, that's the kernel
[06:36] <K-Ryan> Heh, that reminded me
[06:36] <Dr_willis> prak,  you READ the url the bot tells you when youy type that in here...
[06:36] <Minataku> Everything else runs on the OS
[06:36] <Minataku> lol
[06:36] <manchicken> Minataku: You're forgetting about ld, gcc, make, autotools, bintools, etc.
[06:36] <K-Ryan> I ordered 30 kubuntu cd's....
[06:36] <prak> !flash9
[06:36] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[06:37] <prak> !backports
[06:37] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[06:37] <K-Ryan> Distribute em at bestbuy, target, compusa, etc.
[06:37] <manchicken> Minataku: No, because a GNU OS can work with another kernel.
[06:37] <manchicken> Minataku: Linux isn't the only kernel that GNU will work with.
[06:37] <Minataku> A working system techically doesn't require compilers
[06:37] <Minataku> manchicken: I know this
[06:37] <prak> thanks, dr_willis
[06:37] <manchicken> Minataku: Really?  How else do you make the working system?
[06:37] <prak> didn't realize there's an info bot in this channel
[06:37] <Minataku> manchicken: Binary packages don't need compiling
[06:37] <Minataku> They're already compiled
[06:38] <manchicken> But they weren't always binary.
[06:38] <Minataku> No, but the end-user system technically requires no compilers
[06:39] <newlinuxguy> need coffee
[06:39] <newlinuxguy> vision blurry
[06:39] <manchicken> And without init (a GNU program), /bin/sh (a GNU program), and a linker, there would be no operating system.
[06:39] <newlinuxguy> patience waning
[06:39] <newlinuxguy> hehehe
[06:39] <Dr_willis> busybox-OS.
[06:39] <manchicken> Minataku: I actually think all systems should have compilers.
[06:39] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:39] <Minataku> It doesn't have to be a GNU version of it
[06:39] <spawn57> gotta love how kopete uses adium styles now
[06:39] <manchicken> Minataku: GNU is the only organization whose written any of these tools for a linux kernel thus far.
[06:39] <Minataku> manchicken: I do too, but they're not necessary if another system is used to premake everythig
[06:39] <Minataku> *everything
[06:40] <Minataku> As Dr_willis stated
[06:40] <newlinuxguy> okay disabled sound completely, hopefully i'll quit getting cpu erros so I can try to find how to disable art
[06:40] <Minataku> Busybox, which I don't think is a GNU joint
[06:40] <newlinuxguy> anyone want to ssh right on in to solve for me?
[06:40] <newlinuxguy> hehee
[06:40] <newlinuxguy> j/k
[06:40] <Minataku> manchicken: I'm just saying that the OS is only the absolute core, the rest is considered part of an OE
[06:40] <Minataku> Operating Environment
[06:40] <zen> how do u register a nick here?
[06:41] <Minataku> But yes, GNU is the biggest part of Linux
[06:41] <intelikey> is this a CS debate on what an OS is or a philosophical "end user" debate on that an OS is........    or  a help channel ?
[06:41] <manchicken> My argument is that it's more GNU than Linux.  Seems inappropriate to call it Linux.
[06:41] <Minataku> Which is why it's literal name is GNU/Linux
[06:41] <Jucato> ...
[06:41] <manchicken> intelikey: Technically it was answering a question.
[06:41] <Minataku> Though that tends to be confusing
[06:41] <Dr_willis> but callling it that sounds geeky.
[06:41] <K-Ryan> manchicken you guys have gone WAAAAAAY further than answering my questions =)
[06:42] <manchicken> Minataku: Only confusing because people are calling things by the wrong name.
[06:42] <intelikey> well in that case i'll drope a dime on it.   the os is linux the rest is fluff
[06:42] <manchicken> K-Ryan: You still started it ;)
[06:42] <Minataku> lol
[06:42] <K-Ryan> Did not! =(
[06:42] <manchicken> intelikey: Tell that to the linker.
[06:42] <Dr_willis> !info moo
[06:42] <ubotu> Package moo does not exist in any distro I know
[06:42] <Minataku> Sorry all the same, I should try harder not to get dragged into these kinds of things
[06:42] <Minataku> At least there was no scratching and biting in this one
[06:42] <Minataku> lol
[06:42] <intelikey> i aint a scar'd
[06:42] <matthew1429> someone just asked how to register
[06:42] <matthew1429> can you cut and paste
[06:43] <zen> any one knows how to register a nick?
[06:43] <Minataku> /msg nickserv help register
[06:43] <Jucato> !register | zen
[06:43] <ubotu> zen: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[06:43] <Dr_willis> - /msg nickserv help
[06:43] <K-Ryan> okay the linuxgames channel is dead silent
[06:43] <zen> ty
[06:43] <K-Ryan> anyone know of any online rpg games for linux?
[06:43] <Minataku> Or read all that, which is pretty much just useless Freenode policy
[06:43] <K-Ryan> or rather, anything online
[06:43] <Minataku> K-Ryan: Isn't there an RO client for Linux?
[06:43] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Have you been to happypenguin.org?
[06:43] <bxnp> try secondlife K-Ryan allthough not a game
[06:43] <surgy> k-ryan: check out opnce
[06:44] <intelikey> K-Ryan apt-cache search game | grep -ie rpg
[06:44] <manchicken> Is the GPL'ed secondlife available yet?
[06:44] <K-Ryan> secondlife i've tried, iffy
[06:44] <K-Ryan> RO is big and finding a free server then downloading all the stuff is a pain
[06:44] <bxnp> under linux K-Ryan
[06:44] <manchicken> !flash9
[06:44] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[06:44] <Jucato> manchicken: yes
[06:44] <K-Ryan> I was trying to get that done for my brother under windows and couldnt
[06:44] <Minataku> I don't think EVERYTHING needs to be free/open source
[06:44] <Jucato> I was playing it a few minutes ago
[06:45] <bxnp> cause there ia a new alpha for second life
[06:45] <Jucato> s/playing/running
[06:45] <Dr_willis> every time i go play SecondLife... i fail to see the point.. :)
[06:45] <bxnp> manchicken, i dont think there will everbe a gpl-ed version of the socondlife
[06:45] <intelikey> """<Minataku> I don't think EVERYTHING needs to be free/open source""""
[06:45] <Minataku> I don't go by the horrible Debian standards
[06:45] <manchicken> bxnp: There is a GPL'ed version of SecondLife.
[06:45] <bxnp> but do you guys play it under linux
[06:46] <Jucato> bxnp: yes
[06:46] <bxnp> oh oke
[06:46] <Jucato> there's a Linux client
[06:46] <bxnp> and how is it running good
[06:46] <manchicken> Minataku: I disagree with you on that one.  I think freedom should be universal.
[06:46] <Jucato> bxnp: yep
[06:46] <manchicken> Minataku: But that's a conversation for #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:46] <Minataku> intelikey: Personally, if they would give us the same level of support, I'd be fine with proprietary apps on Linux
[06:46] <intelikey> manchicken helps intelikey stone the blasphemer
[06:46] <K-Ryan> I love how I changed the topic from Gnu/Linux to games
[06:47] <manchicken> Jucato: Killjoy ;)
[06:47] <manchicken> Jucato: I finished the adept_batch changes.
[06:47] <Jucato> yeah. I saw the mail
[06:47] <manchicken> Jucato: Now I'm without anything to do.
[06:47] <matthew1429> okay, the forums all point to stuff that is inacessible
[06:47] <Jucato> lol
[06:47] <manchicken> And I don't really care to do the software-properties port.
[06:47] <matthew1429> my hardware/advanced key is grayed out for some reaosn
[06:47] <Minataku> But as it stands, I'm more against the fact that they ignore us and assume we're nothing but thieves because we value our freedom
[06:47] <manchicken> I've already finished all of the adept C++ changes.
[06:47] <matthew1429> anyone have an idea?
[06:48] <matthew1429> just trying to disable the art server and hopefully the kernel will take over
[06:48] <Minataku> The last thing I'm ever gonna take is an RMS-style viewpoint
[06:48] <Minataku> Sorry to continue in here but the offtopic channel is useless
[06:48] <Dr_willis> matthew1429,  often theres an 'administrator' mode button at the bottom thats hidden. resize/maxamize the window
[06:48] <manchicken> Minataku: That doesn't mean it's okay.  I'll continue this discussion in #kubuntu-offtopic, but not here ^_^
[06:48] <matthew1429> okay, thanks
[06:49] <distro-tester> well intel everything crashed here when it tryies to update jave from adept afther i run the command u told stops at 8 %
[06:50] <intelikey> Minataku heh you mean you don't feel you have a big enough audance in #ubuntu-offtopic      that's sad...
[06:50] <matthew1429> willis, are you talking about in the sound window?
[06:50] <matthew1429> bah
[06:50] <distro-tester> maby i should reinstall kubuntu thanx to automatix
[06:50] <Minataku> intelikey: I mean shifting it to there usually kills it outright
[06:50] <Dr_willis> distro-tester,  you dont need to use automatix to install java.
[06:51] <Minataku> Not to mention that people involved in here aren't in there to continue it
[06:51] <intelikey> Minataku you can rant in there all you want.
[06:51] <Dr_willis> distro-tester,  but it may be a good idea to start over.
[06:51] <manchicken> !flash9
[06:51] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[06:51] <manchicken> !backports
[06:51] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[06:51] <intelikey> Minataku did you ever think that we may not want to continue it ?
[06:51] <ForgeAus> if I get VMware server the .rpm is (slightly smaller) can I allien that and install it as a .deb?
[06:51] <Minataku> I figured that we were having an intelligent debate
[06:52] <Minataku> Not every discussion is a flame war
[06:52] <intelikey> think again
[06:52] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  you can install it easier with the tar.gz
[06:52] <Minataku> But that's for another argument
[06:52] <Minataku> I'm sorry all the same, I'll shift the offtopic to offtopic
[06:52] <ForgeAus> is alien difficult?
[06:52] <intelikey> thank you.
[06:52] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  no idea.. i wouldne tuse alien to install vmware server.
[06:52] <ForgeAus> ok why not?
[06:53] <Jucato> intelligent debates are more than welcome in #kubuntu-offtopic... but keep in mind the CoC even in debates. thanks
[06:53] <Dr_willis> the tar.gz is fairly easy to get going.. if you got the other dependencise installed.
[06:53] <Dr_willis> !alien
[06:53] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[06:53] <ForgeAus> if alien makes a .deb out of it I should contrib it!
[06:53] <ForgeAus> its dangerous?
[06:53] <ForgeAus> hmm so now they tell me
[06:53] <ForgeAus> what if I get rpm?
[06:53] <Jucato> it's quite dangerous because RPM's are packaged differently from DEB's
[06:54] <Dr_willis> if alien made debs were accepted to contribs... that would be a VERY scary thing
[06:54] <intelikey> ForgeAus why sould you get rpms ?
[06:54] <distro-tester> dr willis problem is this when i try to run adept tells me another application is using it and to close that first thign not true if i run the adept command fix in console it fixes it and tryies to update java from adpet bu then get's stuck
[06:54] <K-Ryan> if a deb isnt availbile
[06:54] <benklop> so ubuntu : debian :: mandriva : redhat ?
[06:54] <ForgeAus> I should or would?
[06:54] <intelikey> would
[06:54] <K-Ryan> *available
[06:54] <K-Ryan> It's too late for me to be typing
[06:54] <Jucato> if a deb isn't available, it would still be safer to compile from source than use RPM
[06:54] <intelikey> package name K-Ryan ?
[06:54] <ForgeAus> grrr its SMALLER (not by much but  your making me download something bigger just because its more what generic?
[06:55] <K-Ryan> Yes Jucato, I was just thinking that myself
[06:55] <K-Ryan> intelikey, what do you mean?
[06:55] <ForgeAus> so basically your telling me redhat and debian aren't comaptible? lol
[06:55] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  because its... known to work...
[06:55] <intelikey> is that a hypothetical answer or do you have a package in mind ?
[06:55] <K-Ryan> yes ForgeAus
[06:55] <Jucato> ForgeAus: yes
[06:55] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  and the alien/rpm trick may or may not work...
[06:55] <ForgeAus> whats the likelyhood?
[06:56] <Jucato> ForgeAus: it has always been so
[06:56] <intelikey> ForgeAus they arent
[06:56] <K-Ryan> intelikey I was just thinking he might of gone for an rpm because there wasn't a deb
[06:56] <Jucato> RPM and DEB have never been binary compatible
[06:56] <ForgeAus> Kryan exactly
[06:56] <intelikey> so hypothetical     then if that happens we'll address it.
[06:57] <ForgeAus> if alien works and I can make a .deb out of it, maybe I should contrib one!
[06:57] <Jucato> ForgeAus: but still, it would be safer to compile it from source than use an RPM
[06:57] <K-Ryan> ForgeAus like Jucato said
[06:57] <ForgeAus> of if I get the tar.gz can I make a .deb out of that?
[06:57] <Jucato> ForgeAus: contrib to where? it would never be accepted
[06:57] <Dr_willis> vmware-server has a few complex things it does.
[06:57] <K-Ryan> Get the source then compile it to a .deb then contribute that
[06:57] <intelikey> ForgeAus but you may have a binarry that was compiled with a different glibc  and thus unstable on this sustem
[06:57] <ForgeAus> well THERE SHOULD BE A .DEB I can get! rofl
[06:57] <Dr_willis> and it compiles modules for the kernel i recall.
[06:57] <intelikey> system
[06:58] <Jucato> yes... a DEB from an RPM would not be accepted by any decent Debian-based distro
[06:58] <Dr_willis> so any precmade packages would have to do quite a bit of work i think.
[06:58] <intelikey> it's not the smart thing to do.
[06:58] <ForgeAus> you guys wanna make things more difficult not easier
[06:58] <ForgeAus> this sux
[06:58] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  you DO realize that i could of allready had vmware-server installed by this time its taken you to argue about this.
[06:58] <ForgeAus> DrWillis I'm still downloading it
[06:58] <Jucato> ForgeAus: not really... you're making it more difficult for yourself... What are you really trying to do?
[06:58] <K-Ryan> Jucato but if you made a DEB from the source, wouldn't that be okay?
[06:59] <ForgeAus> but nwo I had to cancle the d/l I had
[06:59] <surgy> k-ryan: come back to linuxgames my mans got some links
[06:59] <Jucato> K-Ryan: depends on how the deb was built
[06:59] <intelikey> ForgeAus you can do anything you want to do with your penguin....  just don't blame us when you kill it.
[06:59] <Jucato> K-Ryan: Ubuntu and Debian have somewhat different packaging rules/procedures
[06:59] <K-Ryan> Oh
[06:59] <ForgeAus> jucato.. make it easy so I don't need to dearchive build, etc etc manually... I just wanna make something easier
[07:00] <ForgeAus> I know .tar.gz's are simply archived files nothing treats them like packages does it?
[07:00] <Jucato> ForgeAus: the thing is, you can convert an RPM to DEB and install it on *your* system, but don't contribute it to someone else's
[07:00] <Dr_willis> and it might even work!
[07:00] <ForgeAus> why not make a deb to contribute, if someone else had have done it before I could have got a .deb instead of having this conversation!
[07:00] <intelikey> and it might not break things
[07:00] <Jucato> ForgeAus: those .tar.gz's contain source code that you have to compile. if you want to build .deb packages out of the source code for distribution/contribution, you have to follow some procedures
[07:00] <Dr_willis> slackware uses tar.gzs for its simple package system.
[07:01] <ForgeAus> jucato I know they contain source code
[07:01] <Jucato> Dr_willis: they use .tgz's
[07:01] <ForgeAus> what procedures?
[07:01] <ForgeAus> is any of it automated?
[07:01] <ForgeAus> slackware used .tgz's
[07:02] <Jucato> ForgeAus: "why not make a deb to contribute," <--- because if you don't follow proper building/packaging procedures, you risk damaging other people's systems, specially with alien'ed RPM's
[07:02] <ForgeAus> so you don't simply CONVERT a .tar.gz to a .deb you run through some steps....
[07:02] <Jucato> ForgeAus: and you don't simply convert an RPM to DEB then spread it around
[07:02] <ForgeAus> Jucato sure I can see how that would be a bad thing... I'm not out to damage anything...
[07:03] <ForgeAus> jucato we're talking about software here right?...
[07:03] <Jucato> ForgeAus: you may not intend it. but doesn't mean it may not happen. that's why Debian has a packaging manual
[07:03] <ForgeAus> I don't see whats making it so difficult
[07:03] <intelikey> ForgeAus yes a ficticious package
[07:03] <Jucato> yes we are talking about software
[07:04] <ForgeAus> what's so hard about something scanning through an RPM to find if something won't work on a debian system and replacing it with the debian equivalent?
[07:04] <ForgeAus> its just data
[07:04] <Jucato> ForgeAus: RPM was made for RPM-based systems, not DEB-based systems. alien is a "hack", an unofficial, unsupported, non-standard way of converting an RPM to a DEB. it has the risk of not only not working, but also ruining the stability of your system.
[07:04] <intelikey> there is nothing "so difficult" about tar -xf filename.tgz ;cd filename ;./configure && make && sudo make install
[07:05] <ForgeAus> intelikey, firstly I have to make sure I type all that correctly on the command line
[07:05] <ForgeAus> (much more difficult than rightclicking a .deb and clicking install)...
[07:05] <Dr_willis> whats so hard about computers 'its just data'  :)
[07:05] <intelikey> and that's enough to switch back to windows over.... just ask you.
[07:05] <ForgeAus> DrWillis, programs that are built by people to MAKE it harder lol!
[07:06] <ForgeAus> intelikey, but I don't understand! there are .debs you can do it with, why not make/use them?
[07:06] <Jucato> ForgeAus: like I said, there is nothing wrong if you want to do that for *your* system. just don't go contributing/recommending that .deb to others. or if you insist on doing so, tell them that it was an RPM turned into a DEB using alien
[07:06] <ForgeAus> grr Jucato your missing the point... your pointing out it can be incompatible, not recomended, etc...
[07:07] <ForgeAus> I'm not d/ling the rpm anymore anyway...
[07:07] <ForgeAus> (you got that point across long ago)
[07:07] <ForgeAus> I'm just annoyed that I have to go through other steps instead of doing something what should be a simple way
[07:07] <intelikey> ForgeAus that was my point to begin with.   you keep claiming there is the imagenary package the exists in tgz and rpm form but not in deb form   what package is that ?
[07:07] <wgw> good evening
[07:07] <wgw> I just installed Ubuntu from the LXF88 DVD, and KDE and XFCE were included
[07:07] <ForgeAus> tgz? I didn't say anything about a .tgz someone else bought that up the only comment I made is that slackware uses that package format
[07:08] <wgw> but doesn't seem to be much in terms of artwork for them, and the UI of XFCE wasn't configured
[07:08] <matthew1429> sigh
[07:08] <Jucato> ForgeAus: who/what are you annoyed at? ask the author of the app to provide a .deb package. ask someone to package you one. request the Ubuntu devs to package it for you...
[07:08] <wgw> should I just download the kubuntu packages and install them, or is this plain vanilla KDE the extent of Kubuntu?
[07:08] <matthew1429> does anyone know how ot turn off a soundserver in control center?
[07:08] <Dr_willis> wgw,  fire up the package manager and search for 'artwork' perhaps.
[07:08] <matthew1429> is it under services or something?
[07:08] <ForgeAus> so what I don't get is why hasn't anyone made a .deb out of the .tar.gz thats known to work then?
[07:08] <prak> i've tried to install flash-plugin-nonfree from adept, but it keeps on mentioning that it failed to install
[07:08] <Dr_willis> wgw,  dont 'just download' use the package manager tools
[07:08] <wgw> oh hey Dr Willis
[07:08] <intelikey> Jucato he just wants to whine.
[07:08] <prak> does anyone have a suggestion to solve that problem?
[07:09] <intelikey> prak what's the error message ?
[07:09] <Jucato> ForgeAus: what is that app? how well is it known? who is the author? there are literally tens of thousands of available apps. you can't expect each and everyone of them to be packaged or even included in the repos
[07:09] <intelikey> prak try it in konsole ?
[07:09] <ForgeAus> intelikey... computers are meant to be about making life easier... sure my point is a principal thing ... but I cant see that a .tar.gz is in any way easier than a .deb would be...
[07:10] <matthew1429> sigh
[07:10] <ForgeAus> in fact someone relatively new anyone in fact that knows what a .tar.gz is but nothing much else would know its an archive but not know what to do about it...
[07:10] <intelikey> !offtopic
[07:10] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:10] <ForgeAus> a .deb is much more usable for a kubuntu user
[07:10] <Hirvinen> wgw: Try the package kubuntu-desktop?
[07:10] <Jucato> ForgeAus: compiling from source is not easier than installing a .deb. but it's much safer and recommended than using an rpm and converting it to deb *if and only if* a deb does not exist
[07:11] <wgw> ok
[07:11] <Jucato> anyway... this is getting really -offtopic
[07:11] <wgw> I will say though that everything else seems quite nice- I had used Dapper previously and liked it
[07:11] <Dr_willis> and given that vmware-server has to compile some kernel modules and asks a dozen+ questions....
[07:11] <ForgeAus> jucato, how can you say that?.... easier for what/who?
[07:12] <praetor> is there a guide for flash9 on edgy?
[07:12] <Jucato> ForgeAus: read that again. I said *NOT* easier but safer and recommended *THAN* alien
[07:12] <Jucato> !flash9 | praetor
[07:12] <ubotu> praetor: flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[07:12] <ForgeAus> Dr Willis I havn't tried isntalling it yet I didn't know it asked so much
[07:12] <Dr_willis> the 'ubuntu' hacks book has a chapter on installing vmware-server also.
[07:12] <ForgeAus> Jucato, I told you I'm not going to use alien anymore...
[07:13] <Jucato> ForgeAus: I know. I'm just explaining "why"
[07:13] <phiqtion> how can in completely remove kubuntu-desktop? it's nearly 450mb!!!!!
[07:13] <Dr_willis> phiqtion,  actually its NOT..
[07:13] <ForgeAus> also it means I have to waste more transfer having to download a bigger file with a .tar.gz
[07:13] <Jucato> ForgeAus: I'm also explaining that it's almost impossible to have a .deb and an .rpm for every software out there
[07:13] <Dr_willis> kubuntu-desktop is a meta-package that just lists what other packages are there.
[07:13] <Dr_willis> that way you just install the one package and it 'grabs' the rest
[07:13] <intelikey> phiqtion it's only 0k  but the deps are huge.
[07:14] <ForgeAus> lol inteli :) yeah
[07:14] <benklop> hello
[07:14] <wgw> well  the Synaptic Package Manager sure beats the living crap out of Yast
[07:14] <phiqtion> intelikey: how can i remove it with the deps
[07:14] <wgw> I'll say that for it
[07:14] <wgw> dang that was nice
[07:14] <wgw> and previously (after using Mandriva and Red Hat), I thought Yast was da bomb
[07:14] <benklop> i'm following the kubuntu howto guide from thwe wiki, and i cant seem to get libxine-extracodecs...
[07:14] <wgw> woo
[07:14] <ForgeAus> Jucato, sure and being a company VMware mostly use some redhat distro ... which figures why theres a .rpm....
[07:14] <matthew1429> plz pm me (im registered) if you have a clue how to disable the art sound server
[07:14] <matthew1429> nothing else is working
[07:14] <benklop> the desktopguide
[07:14] <ForgeAus> still that doesn't explain why there is no .deb available...
[07:14] <Jucato> benklop: you need to enable the multiverse repository
[07:15] <wgw> i'm running in VMWare now, and everything is fine
[07:15] <Jucato> ForgeAus: you have to ask them that.
[07:15] <phiqtion> intelikey: btw bro, i installed it yesterday. and i cant log into it because it says something about kde startup not found. any thoughts?
[07:15] <wgw> RHEL is actually a pain in VMWare
[07:15] <Jucato> ForgeAus: *they* are the ones who made the .rpm
[07:15] <ForgeAus> or why you seemt o be so anti .deb when we're talking about a kubuntu environment!
[07:15] <wgw> although not as bbad as Solaris
[07:15] <Jucato> ForgeAus: who said anything anti-DEB?
[07:15] <benklop> Jucato: i thiought i had.. sorry
[07:15] <wgw> I'm not anti-deb at all
[07:15] <praetor> !backports
[07:15] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[07:16] <praetor> Jucato: cheers
[07:16] <prak> here's the pastebin of the error message, intelikey
[07:16] <wgw> although I am hoping that the FSG or whatever its called addresses package manager standardization soon
[07:16] <prak> http://pastebin.ca/323292
[07:16] <matthew1429> sigh
[07:16] <wgw> Linux needs one standard packaging format, used consistently across all distros, to be able to take on Windows on the desktop
[07:16] <matthew1429> i have to say
[07:16] <Jucato> wgw: they're trying to... but it's gonna take quite a while and some effor
[07:16] <ForgeAus> grrrr .... then why u putting every block you can think of to FORCE me to use a .tar.gz?
[07:16] <intelikey> phiqtion 'startkde'   yeah it's not installed propperly.
[07:16] <matthew1429> linux needs to support my sound
[07:16] <matthew1429> out of the box
[07:17] <matthew1429> says me
[07:17] <matthew1429> lol
[07:17] <wgw> well since yum, urpmi and Yast suck, why not just deprecate them and standardize around the .deb format?
[07:17] <Jucato> ForgeAus: I am not forcing you. I'm just concerned about the part where you want to contribute a DEB you alien'ed from an RPM.
[07:17] <ForgeAus> hehe wgw I agree
[07:17] <Dr_willis> wgw,  then someone else will come out with somthing new a week later.
[07:17] <intelikey> phiqtion there is a package.   i'm trying to remember the name of it.....  give me a sec.
[07:17] <Jucato> ForgeAus: other than that, I can only recommend what you want to do with your system. the choice is yours
[07:17] <phiqtion> intelikey: sure will
[07:17] <Dr_willis> pagkage management/installing/removal/dependencies - is a very very very - interesting and complex task.
[07:17] <wgw> Ubuntu is probably going to be the distro that takes Linux to the consumer desktop, so its probably not a big deal anyway
[07:18] <wgw> although Mandriva is also quite good at that IMO
[07:18] <ForgeAus> Jucato it wasn't about aliening it... that was just to save space ... I didn't know there were compatibility problems ... it looked like the best option at the time
[07:18] <matthew1429> can anyone see me asking for information how to turn off the arts soundserver so I stop getting the msg sound server fatal error cpu overload?
[07:18] <matthew1429> the forums are not turning up any help or my searchs are not strong
[07:18] <Jucato> ForgeAus: sometimes, it is the only option. there are some apps there that don't have a .deb and don't have the source code...
[07:19] <Jucato> ForgeAus: I was just really concerned about the "contrib" part of your statement.
[07:19] <Jucato> ForgeAus: other than that. go for it! :)
[07:19] <wgw> btw stupid n00b question: in Ubuntu, how do I run xnest?
[07:19] <Jucato> just always remember the "dangerous" part
[07:19] <Jucato> wgw: from Konsole?
[07:19] <wgw> ok
[07:19] <ForgeAus> Jucato, I'm not trying to do anything dangerous ok?
[07:19] <wgw> not working
[07:19] <ForgeAus> Xnest doesn't work under kubuntu does it?
[07:19] <Jucato> ForgeAus: I've been using it
[07:20] <ForgeAus> thats wierd
[07:20] <intelikey> phiqtion i think   sudo apt-get remove --purge gamin*    may be what you want.
[07:20] <Jucato> and a Kubuntu/KDE dev has been using it as well
[07:20] <prak> has anyone encounterred the problem similar to http://pastebin.ca/323292 of not being able to install adobe flash 9 plugin for firefox?
[07:20] <ForgeAus> hmmm ok
[07:20] <wgw> I'm getting a command not found when attempting to boot it from konsole
[07:20] <intelikey> you can look through the list that produses and answer accordingly
[07:20] <wgw> ah crap I'll just start a new login
[07:20] <Jucato> wgw: xnest?
[07:20] <Jucato> wgw: did you install it already?
[07:21] <wgw> OOOOH
[07:21] <wgw> its not installed by default?
[07:21] <Jucato> wgw: of course not :P
[07:21] <wgw> it IS in Suse :-P
[07:21] <ForgeAus> I used it in Zenlinux
[07:21] <ForgeAus> it was awesome
[07:21] <Jucato> this is NOT Suse :P
[07:21] <wgw> sheesh, what kind of distro doesn't install Xnest by default fer cryin out loud mumbles
[07:21] <phiqtion> intelikey: what will that do?
[07:21] <ForgeAus> do all the root stuff in a nested X-server and do all your user stuff in the main desktop
[07:21] <Jucato> wgw: we don't need 5 CD's to install :P
[07:21] <ForgeAus> GGRRRRR I'm going to go crazy!
[07:22] <ForgeAus> broken download now :(
[07:22] <wgw> my installation had an entire DVD
[07:22] <Jucato> wgw: the kind of distro that believes that normal desktop users don't need a nested X :P
[07:22] <wgw> same way I got SLED
[07:22] <ForgeAus> see why I wanted to save space? (prolly woulda broken anyway)
[07:22] <wgw> well I disagree, I think XNest is extremely useful for providing a convenient way to run multiple logins
[07:22] <wgw> that kind of minimalism is why Windows sucks, IMO
[07:22] <Jucato> wgw: "normal" users won't even have anything to use it for
[07:23] <jean> windows rules
[07:23] <Jucato> wgw: they can always use "Switch User" for multiple logins
[07:23] <ForgeAus> yeah kubuntu doesn't seem to NEED Xnest but I still think its kewl :
[07:23] <wgw> Switch User takes for ever
[07:23] <Jucato> wgw: if Switch User takes forever, how much more a nested X?
[07:23] <Jucato> all depends on your hardware
[07:23] <benklop> Jucato: i have multiverse everywhere i have universe in my sources ... i still cannot seem to apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[07:23] <Jucato> benklop: I think you enabled the wrong multiverse
[07:24] <jean> alguien habla espanol?
[07:24] <wgw> and dang it if Xnest isn't on the DVD
[07:24] <Jucato> benklop: can you pastebin your sources.list?
[07:24] <wgw> arghh
[07:24] <Jucato> !pastebin | benklop
[07:24] <ubotu> benklop: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:24] <Jucato> !es | jean
[07:24] <ubotu> jean: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[07:24] <jean> ?????
[07:24] <Jucato> wgw: are you sure?
[07:24] <intelikey> phiqtion "<phiqtion> how can in completely remove kubuntu-desktop?  <phiqtion> intelikey: how can i remove it with the deps <<<< <intelikey> phiqtion  sudo apt-get remove --purge gamin
[07:24] <wgw> yes
[07:24] <Jucato> wgw: it should be there. it's in main
[07:25] <jean> solo queria saber si alguien sabia espanol, das ist alles
[07:25] <Jucato> !info xnest
[07:25] <ubotu> xnest: Nested X server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.1.1-0ubuntu12.1 (edgy), package size 1295 kB, installed size 3436 kB
[07:25] <ForgeAus> yup Xnest didn't work
[07:25] <ForgeAus> said fatal server error
[07:25] <wgw> LXF must have removed it from the DVD to cram in the other stuff they like to distribute
[07:25] <ForgeAus> that server is already active for display 0
[07:25] <benklop> Jucato: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2393/
[07:25] <wgw> its a dual layer DVD, and one side of it was devoted to Fedora,
[07:25] <wgw> so you can guess what happened to Ubuntu
[07:25] <intelikey> phiqtion i'm not sure that will get them all.  i can look for another dependancy that might help clean the system even more.
[07:25] <wgw> alas
[07:26] <wgw> I personally don't get the hype around Fedora, I've used RHEL 4 and it was rather pathetic
[07:26] <phiqtion> intelikey: how can i reinstall kde correctly?
[07:26] <wgw> and I'm not sure what Fedora could possibly have that would be at all redeeming
[07:26] <Jucato> benklop: did you sudo apt-get update before looking for libxine-extracodecs?
[07:26] <Jucato> benklop: you also have lots of duplicated repositories...
[07:26] <benklop> Jucato: yes i did
[07:26] <wgw> bbl
[07:27] <thisguy> hi all
[07:27] <Jucato> wow.. so much repositories...you need all of that?
[07:27] <thisguy> got a strange problem, maybe someone can help
[07:27] <benklop> Jucato: thats because i used the auto sources build thing on ubuntu.org to make sure i didnt miss something... i was going to clean it up later
[07:28] <thisguy> the first time I logged in to kubuntu everything went fine, but since then, whenever I try and log in, the screen changes and acts as if it is about to log in, but goes back to the login screen
[07:28] <Jucato> benklop: sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs ?
[07:29] <matthew1429> register help
[07:29] <matthew1429> !register
[07:29] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[07:29] <matthew1429> that url is not helpful
[07:29] <matthew1429> lol
[07:29] <matthew1429> sigh
[07:29] <Jucato> benklop: I'm also thinking that the duplicate repositories might be causing a problem
[07:29] <benklop> Jucato: yes
[07:29] <benklop> Jucato: apt-get mentions it will ignore the duplicates
[07:29] <Jucato> matthew1429:  /msg nickserv register <password>
[07:30] <ForgeAus> cyas later
[07:30] <Jucato> benklop: hm... what's the exact error message when you try to install libxine-extracodecs?
[07:30] <benklop> but also i get the error "Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)" earlier on in response to us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/multiverse/source/Sources.bz2
[07:30] <benklop> when i'm trying to update apt-get
[07:31] <benklop> er apt-get update
[07:31] <Jucato> benklop: oh lol I didn't see you're using US server
[07:31] <Jucato> try to change from us. to something else, like gb. or uk. or just plain archive.ubuntu.com
[07:31] <benklop> is that thew issue?
[07:31] <Jucato> might be...
[07:31] <benklop> ok, will try
[07:31] <mena> hi all is there anti-viruswich can catch apps mobile virus
[07:31] <mena> which*
[07:32] <mena> ?
[07:32] <K-Ryan> !gzip
[07:32] <ubotu> gzip: The GNU compression utility. In component main, is required. Version 1.3.5-14ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 71 kB, installed size 228 kB
[07:33] <K-Ryan> gah
[07:33] <prak> has anyone encounterred the problem similar to http://pastebin.ca/323292 of not being able to install adobe flash 9 plugin for firefox?
[07:33] <prak> !firefox
[07:33] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[07:34] <benklop> Jucato: why would a US server be an issue?
[07:35] <Jucato> benklop: dunno really.... but I've encountered a lot of people having that kind of problem (not finding packages even with the proper repositories) which were only resolved after switching servers
[07:35] <mena> Freinds What if i conect my Memory card to the computer and its contain a virus which is runnig on smart phons is there an anti-virus for linux can catch them
[07:35] <benklop> hum.... legal perhaps?
[07:35] <Jucato> hardly
[07:35] <Jucato> the official ubuntu repos does not contain legally questionable software
[07:36] <Jucato> that's why w32codecs is not included
[07:36] <mena> No idea
[07:37] <Jucato> mena: not really sure. afaik, mobile phone viruses are quite different from your regular PC virus
[07:38] <mena> i know but on Xp anti-viruses Like Kasper Can Catch them
[07:38] <mena> Sp ypu thiink There is no Solution FOr that on the pc
[07:38] <mena> So You*
[07:38] <Jucato> mena: check out the websites of AVG or ClamAV, they might have info
[07:39] <mena> okay i will see
[07:39] <mena> thanks For Your Help
[07:41] <kkosmo> somone can help me why when i kill beryl all the linux stuck and i cant keep working?
[07:41] <benklop> Jucato: well, that seemed to do it...
[07:41] <K-Ryan> !daimonin
[07:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about daimonin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:41] <Jucato> kkosmo: ask the guys in #ubuntu-xgl
[07:42] <benklop> Jucato: i also modified a web blocker i have upstream to not block anything with "ubuntu" in the url
[07:42] <prak> !firefox
[07:42] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[07:42] <CaseyOmah> I have a computer running Edgy prerelease (2 days before release) should I install Edgy full or Feisty?
[07:45] <K-Ryan> can anyone help me install daimonin? (www.daimonin.net)
[07:47] <CaseyOmah> !css
[07:47] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[07:48] <jarn> Is it possible to have xorg and xfree86 installed at the same time?
[07:55] <sfPavel> where can i find a free book on unsing kubuntu?
[07:57] <matthew1429> hey guys
[07:57] <matthew1429> :)
[07:57] <matthew1429> anyone know how to install sox audio?
[07:57] <matthew1429> wait
[07:57] <matthew1429> lemme google first
[07:57] <matthew1429> for good measure
[07:57] <Jucato> matthew1429: sudo apt-get install sox
[07:58] <matthew1429> sudo apt-get install sox # sudo apt-ge
[07:58] <matthew1429> woo hoo
[07:58] <matthew1429> thanks jucato
[07:59] <matthew1429> I even found that one with google
[07:59] <matthew1429> hehe
[07:59] <matthew1429> okay
[07:59] <Jucato> you could also use Adept if you wanted :)
[08:00] <matthew1429> you have to run sudo from sheell dont you
[08:00] <matthew1429> alt f2 doesnt like it
[08:00] <Jucato> matthew1429: er.... you do know how to install software on Kubuntu, right?
[08:01] <matthew1429> again
[08:01] <matthew1429> my first day
[08:01] <matthew1429> I think I'll try adept
[08:01] <Jucato> aaah
[08:01] <matthew1429> sudo said it would be moved
[08:02] <matthew1429> sudo said package sox not available
[08:02] <Jucato> matthew1429: you type the sudo apt-get command in Konsole. in Adept, you have a GUI for doing that
[08:02] <Jucato> matthew1429: are you on Dapper or Edgy?
[08:03] <matthew1429> im on edgy
[08:03] <matthew1429> im in adept now
[08:03] <matthew1429> and sox returned no results
[08:03] <matthew1429> brb
[08:03] <matthew1429> lemme look around
[08:04] <Jucato> hm...
[08:04] <Eruantalon> it is in universe
[08:04] <Jucato> matthew1429: can you check if your universe repository is enabled?
[08:04] <Jucato> !universe | matthew1429
[08:04] <ubotu> matthew1429: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:04] <Jucato> (it should be enabled by default... which is what puzzles me)
[08:05] <gecko> hey all
[08:06] <blindside_> how to install RPMs?
[08:06] <blindside_> is there a way?
[08:06] <Eruantalon> Jucato: Why should it be enabled by default?
[08:06] <Eruantalon> blindside, Yes but why?
[08:06] <blindside_> i need to
[08:06] <Jucato> Eruantalon: in Edgy, it is
[08:06] <blindside_> is it hard
[08:06] <Jucato> it's not recommended
[08:06] <blindside_> o ok
[08:07] <blindside_> screw it
[08:07] <Eruantalon> blindside_: What progrma do you need?
[08:08] <mena> Hey Is Avg More Better Than CalmAv
[08:08] <mena> AVG*
[08:08] <Eruantalon> mena: I would say that they are different
[08:08] <matthew1429> okay
[08:09] <Eruantalon> But I don't use any antivirus
[08:09] <matthew1429> yeah, universe
[08:09] <[Amigo] > Hi people! Any body know QT video editor (as Kino on GTK) ????
[08:09] <matthew1429> doesn't come enabled by default
[08:09] <matthew1429> in kubuntu
[08:09] <matthew1429> according to that link you gave me
[08:09] <matthew1429> i had to enable it
[08:09] <matthew1429> okay
[08:09] <matthew1429> using adept
[08:09] <Eruantalon> There you go
[08:09] <mena> Eruantalon, Okay
[08:11] <Jucato> that page is a bit outdated...
[08:12] <Eruantalon> Jucato: the wiki is outdated?
[08:12] <Eruantalon> that sounds like an oxymoron
[08:12] <Jucato> that page may be
[08:12] <Eruantalon> [Amigo] : http://www.linuxeq.com/
[08:12] <Jucato> because afaik and iirc, universe is already enabled by default in Edgy
[08:13] <Eruantalon> search for kino and the others will popup.
[08:13] <ubuntu> hello
[08:13] <Eruantalon> Though it doesn't seem that kdenlive is in repos...
[08:13] <Eruantalon> ubuntu: hello
[08:13] <ubuntu> I am Italian
[08:14] <[Amigo] > Eruantalon: tnx, I found Kdenlive on QT, tnx!!!
[08:14] <ubuntu> i have a big proble with my lap top
[08:14] <matthew1429> i just broke my adept cherry
[08:14] <matthew1429> yayyy
[08:14] <Jucato> cherry?
[08:14] <Jucato> matthew1429: how exactly did you break it?
[08:14] <Eruantalon> ubuntu. Ok state your problem.
[08:15] <ubuntu> my hard disk not function, it-s deads
[08:15] <matthew1429> by actually successfully using the program to install sox
[08:16] <matthew1429> now I just have to take those dirs
[08:16] <matthew1429> Rense gave me
[08:16] <CaseyOmah> !flash
[08:16] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:16] <chuen> Hi. After booting up this morning my display has changed (icons larger etc.). I did not alter any systems seetings (display / monitor) before I closed down yesterday. What's the best thing to do?
[08:17] <ubuntu> soo i have buy another hard disk, but it has a n usb interface
[08:17] <ubuntu> i have intalled many version of linux in my new usb hard disk
[08:18] <ubuntu> but......bios can t boot it
[08:18] <Eruantalon> ubuntu, well i have never had a usb harddrive so i don't know what to tell you
[08:19] <ubuntu> ok tank you...
[08:20] <Eruantalon> ubuntu. Does the bios not see it at all? Or what happens?
[08:22] <Eruantalon> ubuntu: Maybe you should have a look at this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[08:22] <yuriy> chuen: can you go into system settings and change it back?
[08:22] <matthew1429> ITS ALIVE
[08:23] <matthew1429> 5 hours later
[08:23] <matthew1429> I"M ALIVE
[08:23] <matthew1429> I can use linux now!
[08:23] <matthew1429> now it's time to pour over the newbie files
[08:23] <matthew1429> and get acclimated
[08:23] <matthew1429> just had to get my sound fixed
[08:23] <matthew1429> so I could "play"
[08:23] <matthew1429> hehe
[08:23] <matthew1429> THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH
[08:23] <gecko> wow... calm urself lol
[08:23] <chuen> yuriy: I could if I knew what the default was (I haven't had to cnfigure it since install)
[08:23] <matthew1429> you dont know how long I've been dealing with this gecko
[08:23] <matthew1429> :)
[08:24] <gecko> lol...
[08:24] <Jucato> matthew1429: we're glad for you... but take it easy on the Enter key :)
[08:24] <matthew1429> its my first day
[08:24] <chuen> Mybe this: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" would help
[08:24] <yuriy> chuen: well, what monitor do you have?
[08:24] <matthew1429> hehe
[08:24] <matthew1429> sorry
[08:24] <matthew1429> I can type quickly as you can see
[08:24] <Eruantalon> matthew1429: Good for you
[08:24] <chuen> yuriy: AOC (don't know which model off hand)
[08:24] <matthew1429> im just happy, thank you VERY much jucato
[08:25] <yuriy> chuen: first check if you can change it in the settings without reconfiguring xorg
[08:25] <Jucato> matthew1429: don't forget to thank Renze too
[08:25] <yuriy> chuen: crt or lcd?
[08:25] <matthew1429> im going to
[08:25] <Jucato> !xconfig | chuen
[08:25] <chuen> yuriy: crt
[08:25] <ubotu> chuen: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". To configure only the driver and resolution, type: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh".
[08:25] <yuriy> chuen: what size?
[08:25] <chuen> yuriy: 17"
[08:26] <yuriy> chuen: so it was probably 1024x768 by default, see if you can set it to that in displayconfig
[08:26] <yuriy> Jucato: seen it before?
[08:26] <Eruantalon> chuen: Is it AOC 7glr?
[08:27] <chuen> yuri: I did. he highest it will allow is 800 x 600
[08:27] <Eruantalon> Jucato: They are. Mine is never detected
[08:27] <Jucato> using AOC 4Vn 14"... never detected the max size of 1024x768
[08:27] <yuriy> chuen: oh. then you'll need to reconfigure ^
[08:27] <Jucato> Eruantalon: thank you for confirming... the next monitor I get won't be an AOC...
[08:27] <Jucato> I'll make sure of that
[08:28] <yuriy> is it some european brand or something?
[08:28] <chuen> yuriy: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[08:28] <flipjarg> hi all..
[08:28] <Eruantalon> The weird things is that it gets the modelname right but not the resolution and refreshrates...
[08:28] <chuen> yuriy: Yes, I think it is (eastern euro)
[08:28] <Eruantalon> AOC is asian i think
[08:28] <flipjarg> i'm looking for a new laptop, anyone have any suggestions for cheap online stores?
[08:28] <yuriy> chuen: you could try -phigh so you don't have to go through all the options
[08:28] <chuen> Eruantalon: OK
[08:28] <Jucato> Eruantalon: yeah. the names are correct, but anything else isn't...
[08:28] <chuen> yuriy: OK. Thanks
[08:29] <Eruantalon>  Yuk Sung
[08:29] <Eruantalon> Managing Director
[08:29] <yuriy> chuen: and then reboot or log out and hit ctrl+alt+backspace
[08:29] <chuen> yuriy: Cool.
[08:29] <flipjarg> Anyone have any suggestions for cheap online computer stores? i'm in search of a new laptop.
[08:30] <yuriy> btw my laptop screen isn't detected right either.. been meaning to file a bug on that..
[08:30] <yuriy> Jucato: you know what package that would be against?
[08:30] <Eruantalon> flipjarg: Well no, nut have a look at this page before buying anything: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[08:30] <flipjarg> yuriy: what is wrong with it?
[08:30] <Jucato> yuriy: hm.. not really...
[08:30] <yuriy> flipjarg: it doesn't detect the 1400x1050 resolution
[08:30] <flipjarg> Eruantalon: thanks i was wondering where i could find a page like that.
[08:31] <flipjarg> yuriy: what version are you using?
[08:31] <flipjarg> of kubuntu
[08:31] <Eruantalon> flipjarg: The ubuntu wiki knows everythinh
[08:31] <flipjarg> lol
[08:31] <Eruantalon> flipjarg:  No! It really does!
[08:31] <yuriy> flipjarg: Feisty :) don't worry, i have it working fine, but i wanted to report that it doesn't work by default
[08:32] <flipjarg> Eruantalon: i believe you. i think it knows what i'm thinking.
[08:32] <Eruantalon> yuriy: Did it use to work.
[08:32] <flipjarg> yuriy: alright, glad you got it going.
[08:32] <yuriy> Eruantalon: no, it didn't. got this laptop in september and installed edgy and had to dpkg-reconfigure and choose the resolution
[08:33] <yuriy> and same thing with feisty
[08:33] <Eruantalon> It seems to me that monitors and videoadapters really are the main hardware problem with linux and ubuntu
[08:33] <flipjarg> i just started using Edgy Eft, it's great! most things i had to mess with before, with older versions of Kubuntu, work right away
[08:33] <Eruantalon> I have never had it work properly on any computer outthebox
[08:33] <yuriy> flipjarg: great
[08:35] <jago> how do i add a local folder to my repostories???
[08:35] <Eruantalon> chuen: How did it work?
[08:35] <flipjarg> i have yet to get my 5 button mouse to work with all buttons
[08:36] <chuen> Eruantalon: No :(
[08:36] <chuen> Eruantalon: Should I try the other commad?
[08:36] <Eruantalon> Try looking at the back of your monitor. What is your monitor called?
[08:36] <flipjarg> i am out of here, thanks for the link Eruantalon. It'll help a lot.
[08:36] <Eruantalon> np
[08:38] <jago> how do i add a local folder to my repostories???
[08:44] <mefisto> wth
[08:44] <haelen> Eruantalon: Sorry got disconnected (was chuen - can't kill nickname)
[08:44] <mefisto> somebody online ~___~
[08:45] <haelen> Eruantalon: I found out the model mof the monitor  -  7 vlr
[08:45] <mefisto> !wiki
[08:45] <ubotu> wiki is http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Loads of user-contributed documentation
[08:45] <mefisto> !root
[08:45] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:46] <mefisto> !kopete
[08:46] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu2.2 (edgy), package size 6824 kB, installed size 18932 kB
[08:46] <Jucato> mefisto: yes?
[08:47] <mefisto> oh, hello there
[08:47] <mefisto> I was just passing by...
[08:47] <Balsamic_Chicken> lol
[08:47] <mefisto> chickenman?
[08:47] <mefisto> manchicken, lol?
[08:47] <Jucato> heh
[08:47] <Balsamic_Chicken> lol what is wrong with him
[08:48] <mefisto> he just helped me two days ago, he's a nice guy =)
[08:48] <Balsamic_Chicken> he was here earlier
[08:48] <haelen> Eruantalon: ?
[08:48] <praetor> !backports
[08:48] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[08:49] <gecko> what does the error " E: Not Locked. "   in Synaptics mean?
[08:49] <mefisto> somebody here knows if there's a .deb for gimpshop?
[08:50] <Jucato> mefisto: hm... tried Google?
[08:50] <mefisto> I think i did...
[08:51] <Balsamic_Chicken> google can't give him attention
[08:51] <mefisto> there're only rpm files
[08:51] <praetor> i've added the backports repo and apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree, gone into konqueror and settings->config->plugins->scan for new plugins, and konqueror doesnt detect flash9
[08:51] <Jucato> ah... too bad...
[08:53] <praetor> also, firefox isnt detecting it either
[08:54] <mefisto> gotta go guys...
[08:54] <mefisto> have a good night
[08:54] <Balsamic_Chicken> what does: "patch <~/filepath/filename" mean? espeically the < sign
[08:54] <mefisto> ~_____~
[08:54] <CaseyOmah> praetor: Download the package (per the manual install instructions) and copy the .so file into the path listed.
[08:55] <CaseyOmah> praetor: Correction /usr/lib/firefox/plugins is where you copy it to.
[08:55] <CaseyOmah> praetor: Then do the plugin refresh.
[08:56] <praetor> libflashplayer.so is already in that folder
[08:57] <CaseyOmah> praetor: I know but it seems to be a bad version from what I've seen, I also copied flashplayer.xpt to that directory and it works like a champ.
[08:57] <hyper_ch> CaseyOmah: what's the difference between hibernation and suspend?
[08:58] <hyper_ch> was someone successfull at getting vmware server to run in herd2?
[08:58] <CaseyOmah> hyper_ch: In suspend the computer is still on, but in standby mode, where hibernation saves the ram to disk and turn OFF the conputer.
[09:00] <CaseyOmah> praetor: Got it working?
[09:02] <mena> HI Freinds i installed Avg debian and I cant see It In The Menu How To Run It And If I Cant How Can I Remove Package.Deb Through the Terminal
[09:03] <praetor> i downloaded the .tar.gz and did sudo ./flashplayer-install
[09:03] <hyper_ch> CaseyOmah: and what makes hibernation better than turning it off?
[09:03] <praetor> its asking me for a valid path so i type /usr/lib/mozilla
[09:03] <praetor> and it keeps asking me for the path again :S
[09:03] <CaseyOmah> praetor: I never got their script to work, let me pm.
[09:04] <praetor> ok i just copied the .so file from the archive to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins and konqueror successfully detected it
[09:04] <CaseyOmah> hyper_ch: You don't have to close all your work the OS remembers not only what is open but what they are doing.
[09:05] <CaseyOmah> praetor: So I didn't need the flashplayer.xpt?
[09:05] <praetor> guess not
[09:05] <praetor> heh
[09:05] <CaseyOmah> praetor: Thanks, good thing we can help eachother. :)
[09:05] <hyper_ch> CaseyOmah: hmm, I normally save the session when I power off...
[09:05] <praetor> CaseyOmah: no worries, cheers
[09:06] <Cuddles_in_KY> evening all.
[09:06] <mena> How To unistall A package.ban
[09:06] <mena> How To unistall A package.deb*
[09:08] <Balsamic_Chicken> what does: "patch <~/filepath/filename" mean? espeically the < sign
[09:09] <CaseyOmah> hyper_ch: hibernation is like save session, except that the programs don't know they were ever closed. Say you have a "limited uses" shareware program, if you save session and shut down/turn off the PC your uses count decreases, if you hibernate it doesn't.
[09:09] <gary_> hello evry 1
[09:09] <hyper_ch> CaseyOmah: I see...
[09:09] <hyper_ch> CaseyOmah: thx :)
[09:10] <CaseyOmah> hyper_ch: No problem.
[09:11] <gary_> if i want to watch a dvd do i need to buy dvd decoder
[09:11] <CaseyOmah> !css ->gary_
[09:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about css - - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:11] <CaseyOmah> !dvd ->gary_
[09:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dvd - - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:11] <CaseyOmah> !css
[09:11] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[09:12] <CaseyOmah> gary_ that's information on playing DVDs in linux.
[09:12] <Balsamic_Chicken> !game
[09:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about game - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:12] <Balsamic_Chicken> a
[09:12] <gary_> tnx  about libdvdcss
[09:12] <gary_> i do use ubuntu
[09:12] <gary_> i can use apt get
[09:14] <CaseyOmah> I would recommend you try the script (install-css.sh) first.
[09:14] <CaseyOmah> gary_: I would recommend you try the script (install-css.sh) first.
[09:14] <gary_> thats a good idea
[09:14] <gary_> thank you casey
[09:15] <gary_> is evry one here on a linux distro?
[09:22] <ubuntu_> hello
[09:22] <tanlaan> hello ubuntu
[09:23] <ubuntu_> hows it goin
[09:23] <tanlaan> ubuntu_: you might want to use /nick to change your name :D
[09:23] <ubuntu_> kk
[09:23] <gary_> it actually worked to play the dvd
[09:25] <tanlaan> hello everyone
[09:26] <tanlaan> anyone know how i could get wireless assistant *wlassistant* to start on startup?
[09:26] <tanlaan> kcron doesnt have a "startup" button
[09:26] <ubuntu_> ok did it work ?
[09:26] <ubuntu_> shit
[09:27] <tanlaan> lol
[09:27] <ubuntu_> lol
[09:27] <tanlaan> type "/nick name"
[09:27] <ubuntu_> just gettin used to kubuntu
[09:27] <tanlaan> haha its all good
[09:29] <Xera> lol
[09:29] <tanlaan> so yea, anyone know of a way to run something on startup from kcron?
[09:29] <tanlaan> or will i have to go and get cron
[09:30] <Xera> name: replace "name" with a name you want
[09:31] <its_yahells_faul> k
[09:31] <its_yahells_faul> is there a limit to how many characters u can use
[09:32] <Xera> yes
[09:32] <its_yahells_faul> ok ty
[09:42] <cap|com> tanlaan: if you want to make a command or applicatiuon run every time you start kde, you can place a link to the application into your ~/.kde/Autostart folder
[09:42] <cap|com> you don't need a cron
[09:44] <tanlaan> oo okk
[09:44] <tanlaan> thank you cap|com
[09:44] <tanlaan> :D
[09:45] <cap|com> you're welcome
[09:46] <tanlaan> how do you create a link to an application in command line
[09:47] <tanlaan> would i do "ln /usr/bin/wlassistant wlassitant"?
[09:47] <N6REJ> can anyone help me with getting a java script to start at boot time?
[09:50] <cap|com> tanlaan: try ln -s /usr/bin/wlanassistant .
[09:50] <cap|com> when you are in your autostart folsder
[09:51] <N6REJ> cap|com: is that for me?
[09:51] <cap|com> no, tanlaan
[09:51] <N6REJ> k
[09:51] <gecko> hey all
[09:51] <N6REJ> hello gecko
[09:52] <N6REJ> Geico give ya the night off :P
[09:53] <gecko> haha
[09:53] <gecko> i get that alot tho thats not where the name originated from
[09:53] <N6REJ> I bet
[09:54] <N6REJ> nobody knows how to autostart a java app?
[09:54] <gecko> autostart?
[09:54] <gecko> like at bootup?
[09:54] <tanlaan> cap|com: my way worked :D
[09:55] <N6REJ> gecko: yeah, I've got a script that you have to run to start this java app ( ofbiz ) and I need it to start at boot time because it doesn't return con to you.  like in mysql_safe you can put & at the end and it will give you back con?  Well this doesn.t
[09:55] <N6REJ> yeah
[09:55] <N6REJ> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2395/
[09:55] <michaelpo> hi.. why are they 4 workspaces? how does one use them effectively and efficiently?
[09:56] <N6REJ> michaelpo: lets say you do accounting alot ... you would put that on say desktop 4 and just leave it there.  Whenever you start your daily session it will always be there, yet not be in the way when for example your surfing etc...
[09:56] <gecko> N6RE: I just saw something on this yesterday...let me see if i can find it... because it was on creating and removing start up programs.. i  woould assume it works with java apps as well
[09:56] <N6REJ> michaelpo: think of it as 4 computers with 4 monitors ( one each ) that you can flip to instantly.
[09:57] <N6REJ> gecko: my fear is I don't see a path in the script, so it won't find the app.
[09:57] <N6REJ> gecko: and the only java I know is the one I drink
[09:57] <jerry> hi
[09:58] <N6REJ> hello
[09:58] <gecko> haha
[09:58] <jerry> you are a ham radilo operator
[09:58] <N6REJ> yes'r
[09:58] <N6REJ> since 1989
[09:58] <gecko> N6RE: i never thought about the "path in the script"  im wondering about that now...
[09:58] <jerry> I am a ham radio operator
[09:58] <N6REJ> qrz?
[09:58] <jerry> lol
[09:58] <gecko> i mean in terminal its jus "program name" so im not sure.
[09:59] <gecko> unless you have to place that applet in a certain location
[09:59] <michaelpo> why not just open all the softwares in just one workspace...?
[09:59] <N6REJ> gecko: I'm wondering if I have to "cd" first?
[09:59] <jerry> yes qrz
[09:59] <N6REJ> gecko: the app lives in /var/www/opentaps and thats where the script lives.
[09:59] <N6REJ> I'm in Iowa now Jerry
[09:59] <jerry> I am studying for general
[10:00] <jerry> we6jbo
[10:00] <N6REJ> jerry: I should, I'm a OLD Tech.   could easily go extra class if I'd just study for it.
[10:00] <jerry> I am in san diego
[10:00] <N6REJ> I lived in chula Vista for a long time and Ramona too.
[10:00] <jerry> I will become general soon or someday
[10:00] <N6REJ> 146.531 :D
[10:00] <jerry> Ah!
[10:01] <N6REJ> correction, 145.310
[10:01] <N6REJ> trying to think of andy's call sign right now.
[10:01] <gecko> so ur from cali? lol
[10:01] <N6REJ> Originally, live in Iowa now
[10:01] <gecko> um N6RE: im not too familiar with java..so thats the problem
[10:01] <gecko> oh... im in Indiana, but have family in Iowa
[10:01] <N6REJ> gecko, don't feel bad, I'm not either.
[10:02] <jerry> ok yes I'm in San Diego too
[10:02] <N6REJ> jerry, whats up with SNOW in malibu?  The nearest place I can think of that they got the snow plows from is Fort Tejon!
[10:02] <jerry> Yes, I took a class in Java
[10:02] <michaelpo> hmm... ok.. ive use linux for about 3 days... have not started using the different workspaces feature yet... will try to use it... still in winxp mindset...
[10:02] <Op> Hi
[10:02] <N6REJ> jerry: look at this ... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2395/ how do I make that autostart at boot time?
[10:03] <gecko> ill be back... im going to try something but gotta log out
[10:03] <N6REJ> michaelpo: welcome.. it will take a while to get used to it.
[10:03] <N6REJ> gecko: k
[10:03] <Op> How install Skype?
[10:03] <N6REJ> Op: sudo apt-get install skype
[10:03] <N6REJ> :D
[10:03] <Op> )
[10:03] <Op> :)
[10:04] <jerry> I use textpad I think it does all that for me
[10:04] <N6REJ> jerry: huh?  its a startup script for opentaps that unfortunately when you start it from console doesn't give you console back!
[10:05] <Op> I'm from Latvia
[10:05] <N6REJ> Op: nice stamps in latvia
[10:05] <jerry> Maybe make a frame or something I don't know
[10:05] <Tim_4117> Hello, uh can anyone help me? I'm kinda a noob with Linux, Lol.
[10:06] <N6REJ> jerry: frame? in console?
[10:06] <N6REJ> Tim_4117: I can try
[10:06] <tanlaan> Tim_4117: hello, what do you need help with
[10:06] <jerry> Oh look at the time I gotta go ok bye. Nice meeting you N6REJ
[10:06] <Tim_4117> Help using Linux..., Lol
[10:06] <tanlaan> Tim_4117:
[10:06] <tanlaan> oops
[10:06] <N6REJ> lol
[10:06] <tanlaan> Tim_4117: what specifically
[10:06] <Tim_4117> Installing stuff and things
[10:08] <N6REJ> Tim_4117: are you using ubuntu or kubuntu
[10:08] <notech> Tim_4117: should look at the rl's in the channel topic
[10:08] <notech> url's
[10:08] <Tim_4117> Kubuntu
[10:09] <N6REJ> Tim_4117: in Kubuntu there is a program called "Adept".  it "auto installs" everything for you.  You find it in the 2nd "system" folder from the bottom, I forget what its called right now
[10:09] <Tim_4117> So that installs things like Firefox?
[10:10] <N6REJ> Tim_4117: yep, just open it up and then check "options" and make sure your repositories are open ( right click to change it to active  ) and then in the box type "firefox"
[10:12] <Tim_4117> So I just select it in the list Right-click install?
[10:12] <N6REJ> yep
[10:12] <N6REJ> then "apply"
[10:12] <Tim_4117> Then apply changes
[10:12] <N6REJ> hard huh?
[10:12] <N6REJ> ;)
[10:12] <Tim_4117> So I have to download the items and go into this everytime?
[10:13] <N6REJ> Tim_4117: no, this is the "installer"
[10:14] <N6REJ> Tim_4117: it will automatically download and install for your :D
[10:14] <blindside> which codeblocks snapshot is the bes
[10:14] <blindside> do you guys reckon?
[10:14] <Tim_4117> But what if it's not on the list?
[10:14] <blindside> anyone tried most of em?
[10:14] <N6REJ> Tim_4117: then you may need to add the repositorie
[10:14] <_easy_> hi, whats going on?
[10:14] <N6REJ> !repos | Tim_4117
[10:14] <ubotu> Tim_4117: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:16] <Tim_4117> And would you happen to know why I keep getting this Automatic Proxy thing in the corner?
[10:17] <N6REJ> no sorry
[10:17] <dawn> hello
[10:18] <dawn> does ubunto distro's in general recognize FAT32?
[10:18] <dawn> instead of NTFS
[10:18] <N6REJ> dawn: yes, both
[10:18] <dawn> so FAT/FAT32 are writable
[10:18] <dawn> NTFS is still experimental?
[10:19] <dawn> N^, you a ham?
[10:19] <dawn> 6
[10:19] <N6REJ> yes
[10:19] <dawn> where is 6 land?
[10:19] <Tim_4117> Thanks that helps out alot! N6RE :D
[10:19] <N6REJ> dawn yeah somewhat, some say it works fine and others say no
[10:20] <N6REJ> california, but I'm in iowa now
[10:20] <N6REJ> Tim_4117: yw
[10:20] <dawn> oh ok
[10:20] <dawn> I read that the FCC is dropping the morse code requirements
[10:20] <dawn> for general lic.?
[10:21] <dawn> back in 93 I use to talk from 26-30mhz
[10:21] <N6REJ> dawn, dropped years ago.
[10:21] <Balsamic_Chicken> lol.
[10:22] <dawn> there was some FM repeater at 29mhz up in RI, I believe used to be able to hit that with skip
[10:22] <mena> Friends I have A packedge and i install then i want to remove it its a .deb and its installed to root folder .....i dowenload it then install not form adapter
[10:22] <dawn> maybe it was 28.9 something
[10:22] <dawn> anyways thx for the help.. November Six
[10:22] <N6REJ> yw dawn
[10:25] <esc_ape> does anyone know where the ktorrent icon is stored?
[10:26] <Tim_4117> Um N6RE how do you change the icon of something if you want it on the desktop?
[10:27] <detlev> hallo
[10:28] <N6REJ> right click on the start button... left click on "menu edit" go the app, rigth click, then left on properites and the click the picture.
[10:28] <mineur> hi
[10:29] <ForgeAus> whats faster wget or downloading via konqueror?
[10:29] <mineur> brb restarting X
[10:31] <blindside> ForgeAus, neither
[10:31] <blindside> use a download manager that supports multiple streams
[10:31] <blindside> multiget is ok so far
[10:31] <ForgeAus> they're the same?
[10:31] <N6REJ> ForgeAus: IMHO wget, plus it will continue to retry should something go wrong
[10:31] <ForgeAus> N6RE thanx
[10:32] <ForgeAus> if it times out again I'll try it with wget
[10:32] <ForgeAus> blindside like Kget?
[10:32] <blindside> i havent tried kget
[10:32] <blindside> doka and multiget are good i hear
[10:32] <ForgeAus> its slightly over 100 MB ... it dies on me :(
[10:33] <esc_ape> does anyone know where the ktorrent icon is located?
[10:33] <N6REJ> ForgeAus: wget -r -c -nd will do it.
[10:33] <ForgeAus> in the menu um under internet
[10:33] <ForgeAus> third from the bottom or so on a base edgy install
[10:34] <distro-tester> hello
[10:34] <distro-tester> bbl
[10:35] <esc_ape> ForgeAus: I mean the actually .png icon
[10:35] <luca_b> esc_ape: One sec, I'll put up the locations on pastebi
[10:35] <luca_b> n
[10:35] <esc_ape> thanks
[10:36] <luca_b> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2396/
[10:37] <distro-tester> ciao luca
[10:37] <distro-tester> sei italiano?
[10:37] <N6REJ> distro-tester: !it
[10:37] <luca_b> distro-tester: Yes, but English is required for this channel
[10:37] <distro-tester> ok
[10:38] <blekos> hello, i was wondering if i can have 2 taskbars as in gnome, one for application and the other only for the windows that are opened
[10:38] <distro-tester> rome here where u from luca?
[10:38] <N6REJ> distro-tester: if I wanted to send something to the pope how would I do that?
[10:38] <luca_b> distro-tester: Milano, but again, for OT conversation we can go to #kubuntu-offtopic
[10:38] <distro-tester> go vatican and wait he he speaks
[10:38] <distro-tester> he+
[10:38] <N6REJ> distro-tester: lol
[10:38] <distro-tester> *
[10:39] <N6REJ> luca, meet me ot
[10:39] <distro-tester> damn fedora 6 dosen't want to know to run whit my nvidia 7900GS
[10:39] <esc_ape> luca_b : thanks. for some reason my locate db isnt working
[10:39] <distro-tester> ok luca
[10:39] <luca_b> esc_ape: sudo locate -u
[10:39] <distro-tester> can i pvt u paesa'?
[10:40] <luca_b> esc_ape: It will update your database
[10:40] <luca_b> distro-tester: yes if you are OK with a person going randomly afk
[10:40] <esc_ape> sudo locate -u says unrecognized option
[10:41] <esc_ape> I can figure it out though
[10:41] <luca_b> esc_ape: sudo updatedb ?
[10:42] <esc_ape> ok I think that works...it's indexing everything
[10:42] <esc_ape> thanks again
[10:43] <luca_b> esc_ape: it's usually nice to have a cron job for that thing, comes in handy when you want to search for something
[10:43] <esc_ape> good idea
[10:46] <Xera> wtf
[10:46] <Xera> k3b and nero won't start ;/
[10:47] <luca_b> Xera: try to run them from a terminal
[10:47] <luca_b> and see the output
[10:47] <Xera> no output
[10:48] <luca_b> Xera: are you sure? From a terminal like konsole?
[10:48] <Xera> yes i'm sure ;p
[10:48] <Xera> also my dvdr won't mount
[10:48] <Xera> _._
[10:49] <luca_b> Xera: would be time to check dmesg to see if the kernel is complaining about something
[10:49] <Xerroz> question, how do i go about getting kdevelop packages?
[10:50] <Xera> http://xera.no-ip.org/dmesg.txt
[10:50] <luca_b> Xera: one sec
[10:51] <Xera> k
[10:51] <Xera> there's no sensative data in this is there?
[10:52] <luca_b> Xera: nope
[10:52] <Xera> k
[10:52] <luca_b> Xera:  make nother... "strace k3b"
[10:53] <Xera> it sticks at
[10:53] <Xera> --- SIGCHLD (Child exited) @ 0 (0) ---
[10:53] <Xera> read(3,
[10:54] <luca_b> odd!
[10:55] <Xera> read(3, 0x82464e0, 8)                   = ? ERESTARTSYS (To be restarted)
[10:55] <Xera> mean anything to you?
[10:56] <luca_b> Xera: may be worth trying logging in and out of X
[10:56] <mhb> Hi all, is it possible to configure KMail so that it automatically fetches GPG keys from a keyserver when they are needed?
[10:56] <luca_b> Xera: it's quite odd
[10:56] <Xera> i already did that
[10:56] <Xera> twice.
[10:57] <Xera> it started after i wrote like 1.4gb to a dvd-rw
[10:57] <Xera> i can't read from the drive
[10:57] <Xera> :(
[10:57] <luca_b> Xera: the dmesg says something about the drive actually
[10:57] <Xera> ye i saw
[10:57] <Xera> what does it mean?
[10:57] <luca_b> [17233310.884000]  hda: drive not ready for command
[10:57] <Xera> uh
[10:57] <Xera> it's not hda
[10:57] <luca_b> Xera: did you enable DMA?
[10:57] <Xera> it's scsi
[10:58] <Xera> dma? dunno
[10:58] <blekos> hello, i was wondering if i can have 2 taskbars as in gnome, one for application and the other only for the windows that are opened
[10:58] <luca_b> Xera: also I see
[10:59] <luca_b> Xera: [17227442.968000]  NTFS-fs error (device sda2): ntfs_ucstonls(): Unicode name contains characters that cannot be converted to character set cp437.  You might want to try to use the mount option nls=utf8.
[10:59] <luca_b> Xera: but that's an HD, right?
[10:59] <Xera> yes
[11:00] <luca_b> Xera: try a reboot, perhaps the bus got hosed by something
[11:00] <luca_b> Xera: and a device reset may help
[11:00] <Xera> device reset?
[11:00] <blekos> why gdeklets are ligther than superkaramba?
[11:00] <xenophile7x7> does anyone know how to get vid/voice working over kopete?
[11:00] <luca_b> Xera: when you power up and reboot, the BIOS performs a reset on the devices
[11:01] <Xera> ah
[11:01] <Xera> ok
[11:01] <Xera> i'll try that, brb
[11:01] <tehpwn> Any acite people atm?
[11:02] <luca_b> xenophile7x7: you just hve to have a webcam properly set up, but that can be a hard part
[11:02] <tehpwn> active*
[11:02] <xenophile7x7> i cant send or view a cam, or send/hear a mike
[11:02] <xenophile7x7> *mic
[11:02] <tehpwn> Is setting up Google Earth easy in kubuntu?
[11:02] <xenophile7x7> wasnt sure if there was a driver or plugin needed for kopete
[11:03] <Xerroz> xenophile7x7: what cam do you have?
[11:04] <xenophile7x7> logitech quickcam
[11:04] <tehpwn> Fine, nobody reply to me and I'll be lonely :'( lol
[11:04] <cap|com> tehpwn: it's as easy as this: http://earth.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=44713&topic=1135 :)
[11:04] <Xerroz> xenophile7x7: you need a special patch for kopete to get that cam working
[11:04] <xenophile7x7> lol, sorry pwn, i havent tried GE yet. just on linux
[11:05] <Xerroz> its not in the program yet
[11:05] <tehpwn> Thank You :-D
[11:05] <Xerroz> you also need the linux-uvc driver
[11:05] <xenophile7x7> any idea where to get it?
[11:05] <Tim_4117> Do firefox and other programs have to go in a directory like on Windows?
[11:05] <Xerroz> xenophile7x7: youll have to get the svn of kopete, get the patch and patch it, as well as get the svn from linux-uvc
[11:06] <tehpwn> Tim_4117: I believe if you just use apt-get, it will do it all for you no worries
[11:06] <luca_b> Tim_4117: usually the "packages" take care of that, so you don't have to worry
[11:06] <N6REJ> Tim_4117: its automatic
[11:06] <Tim_4117> Ok thanks for that :D
[11:06] <tehpwn> I'm actually installing firefox as I type
[11:06] <Tim_4117> ?
[11:06] <xenophile7x7> whats an svn?
[11:06] <tehpwn> Whoo, and it's done already.
[11:07] <Xerroz> svn = subversion
[11:07] <xenophile7x7> oh ok.
[11:07] <Xerroz> its used to access usually developmental code
[11:07] <xenophile7x7> great, thanks alot for all your help guys ^^
[11:08] <Xera> hmm
[11:08] <luca_b> xenophile7x7: bear in mind that developmental code may be in a state of flux and not even compile at times
[11:08] <tehpwn> Who is good with wireless problems?
[11:08] <Xera> luca_b: works now :D
[11:08] <tehpwn> Any takers?
[11:09] <luca_b> Xera: something went wrong when writing I assume, then the bus got hosed (heppened to me also) and a reset fixed it
[11:09] <luca_b> tehpwn: depends, I may
[11:09] <xenophile7x7> i will, thanks luca
[11:09] <luca_b> tehpwn: depends on what the problem is
[11:09] <xenophile7x7> i figure ill just have to play with it until i get it figured out, same as i have everythign else onhere so far lol
[11:09] <xenophile7x7> should have changed over from windows a looong time ago
[11:10] <Xera> no more nerolinux for me then..
[11:10] <tehpwn> luca_b: Well I have the driver sitting on my desktop, so I'm going to try myself and when I screw it up I'll return to ask you :-p
[11:10] <Xera> piece of s**t XD
[11:10] <tehpwn> But I have to turn off my PC to install the hardware real quick.. will return
[11:11] <luca_b> Xera: k3b always the best for me
[11:11] <Xera> sudo dpkg --purge nerolinux
[11:11] <Xera> die
[11:12] <Xerroz> lol
[11:15] <Xera> hmm
[11:15] <Xera> konversation is bugged
[11:15] <Xera> [10:15]  [Invite]  |Smth| invited you to channel
[11:15] <Xera> doesn't say the channel ^^
[11:15] <tehpwn> Mmm, back.
[11:15] <Xerroz> and konversation needs a serious interface make over
[11:16] <tehpwn> Wha? I see no problems...
[11:16] <tehpwn> Explain your opinion please.
[11:16] <Xera> my dvdr says it does "CD TEXT" anyone know what that is? o.o
[11:16] <Xerroz> it is unintuitive
[11:17] <tehpwn> Xera: like if you making an MP3 cd, it will also write the song md3 tag info
[11:17] <tehpwn> (I think...)
[11:17] <luca_b> Xera: CD-TEXT is a standard
[11:17] <Xera> ooh
[11:17] <Xera> ok
[11:17] <Xerroz> echo luca_b
[11:17] <luca_b> Xera: But I long forgot what it actualy meant
[11:18] <Xera> k
[11:18] <tehpwn> Does my guess sound partially correct?
[11:18] <Xera> no idea
[11:18] <luca_b> Xera: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-TEXT
[11:19] <luca_b> Basically it's like ID3 tags but for "normal" Audio CDs
[11:19] <Xera> ah
[11:19] <Xera> ok
[11:19] <tehpwn> Lol, that's what I meant, ID3, not MD3..  At least I can tell if it may work well with Linux
[11:23] <tehpwn> but I have the inf file on my desktop so if I remember correctley I have to download ndiswrapper... but in order to do that I need a new respitores (sp?) list... which I forget where it's at
[11:24] <tehpwn> I have had it working before. But I don't recall exactually how I did it. It's the linksys wmp54gs w/ speedbooster
[11:25] <luca_b> tehpwn: ndiswrapper should come in by default in *buntu
[11:25] <luca_b> !info ndiswrapper
[11:25] <ubotu> Package ndiswrapper does not exist in any distro I know
[11:25] <luca_b> Oops, I meant, it's part of the kernel
[11:26] <luca_b> Ubuntu kernel at least
[11:26] <tehpwn> yeah it's not installed here
[11:27] <luca_b> !info ndiswrapper-common
[11:27] <ubotu> ndiswrapper-common: Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper. In component main, is optional. Version 1.18-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 13 kB, installed size 80 kB
[11:27] <luca_b> Here you go
[11:27] <luca_b> !info ndiswrapper-utils
[11:27] <ubotu> ndiswrapper-utils: Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1-5 (edgy), package size 8 kB, installed size 48 kB
[11:27] <tehpwn> Sweet.
[11:28] <furryballs> What's a good guide to setting up totem to work?
[11:28] <tehpwn> Anybody know where the respitorie list is so I can just use apt-get ?
[11:32] <ForgeAus> I got so much gnome stuff (although I been trying to avoid it) in my Kubuntu I might as well get ubuntu-desktop anyway!
[11:32] <ForgeAus> (most of the metapackage is already installed!
[11:34] <snowrichard> hi -- I have a video.avi file I created in windows, copied to my Kubuntu Edgy, but its not compressed, its raw rgb.  What linux program could I use to compress and still be able to watch with totem or gxine?
[11:35] <ForgeAus> how to get xnest working in kubuntu?
[11:35] <snowrichard> because its 1:16 of video and is 416 megabytes :)
[11:38] <snowrichard> or make a DVD ?
[11:38] <Xera> hmm
[11:39] <Xera> in k3b i see: ISO9660 FileSystem, what does that mean?
[11:39] <ForgeAus> iso
[11:39] <Xera> um
[11:39] <Xera> lol
[11:39] <ForgeAus> its the general CD filesystem
[11:39] <Xera> oh, ok
[11:39] <ForgeAus> like .iso files
[11:39] <Xera> so windows should have no problem reading it?
[11:40] <ForgeAus> yeah I know the numbers confused me too :)
[11:40] <ForgeAus> prolly not
[11:40] <Xera> k
[11:40] <ForgeAus> I'm not sure really but I guess so
[11:40] <ForgeAus> .iso's from windows work fine in linux so I guess they should work vice versa
[11:41] <Xera> well i'm not burning a iso
[11:41] <Xera> ;s
[11:41] <Xerroz> ISO9660 is a standard
[11:41] <Xera> ah
[11:42] <Xerroz> its how whatever device you stick your cd/dvd into knows where and what files are on those discs
[11:43] <Xera> ok
[11:54] <tehpwn> So we all in bed now or what?
[11:55] <Xera> uh
[11:55] <Xera> it's 11am here ;)
[11:55] <tehpwn> 3am here
[11:55] <Xera> lol
[11:55] <cap|com> here it's 12.. so lunchtime
[11:56] <tehpwn> Eh, I'm hungry.
[11:56] <cap|com> tehpwn: only 3 hours to dinner ;)
[11:57] <tehpwn> Hehe, I said AM
[11:57] <cap|com> ok, breakfast ;)
[11:57] <Xera> you have dinner at 6pm?
[11:57] <Xera> damn.
[11:57] <Xera> xD
[11:57] <cap|com> yes i have
[11:57] <cap|com> germany ;)
[11:57] <tehpwn> Hehe
[11:58] <blekos> can u pls tell me how to add the child panel extension?
[11:58] <tehpwn> I would if I knew what that was...
[11:58] <Jucato> blekos: right-click on the panel -> Add Panel -> Panel
[12:00] <Xera> how do i set limewire to bind to my global ip? ;/
[12:00] <blekos> ohh, thnx i'm newbie :P
[12:02] <tehpwn> whats that command to see a print out of all the network interfaces?
[12:02] <tehpwn> nevermind, its iwconfig
[12:02] <Xera> inter-web config?
[12:02] <Xera> :P
[12:03] <tehpwn> hehe
[12:03] <Xera> hurrr
[12:04] <Xera> my god
[12:04] <Xera> k3b won't format my dvdrw's
[12:04] <Xera> lol
[12:06] <furryballs> Xera: When you're about to burn it select overwrite maybe?
[12:06] <Xera> hmm
[12:06] <Xera> might work
[12:06] <Xera> but it says "formatting will continue in the background"
[12:06] <Xera> i left it for like 10 minutes, nothing..
[12:08] <ForgeAus> format a DVD you mean like UDF?
[12:08] <Xera> udf?
[12:08] <Xera> i mean erase all the data on a dvd-rw
[12:09] <tehpwn> Are the DVD-RW?
[12:09] <tehpwn> or just -R
[12:09] <Xera> "on a dvd-rw"
[12:09] <Xera> they're dvd-rw yes..
[12:10] <tehpwn> Ok, well you should'nt have to format it... You should just have to overwrite it
[12:10] <tehpwn> At least thats how it is when I was using Nero (windows)
[12:10] <ForgeAus> hehe teh too any have to's but yeah you should be able to oeverwrite?
[12:10] <ForgeAus> I've never used a dvdrw to be honest so I can't really say
[12:11] <Xera> tehpwn: not using nero
[12:11] <ForgeAus> my drive supports it I just havn't tried one of that-type disc
[12:11] <Xera> nero f*cked up
[12:11] <tehpwn> Xera, I understand that being that we are all in a kubuntu forum... Hehe ^_-
[12:12] <tehpwn> But I was just making the reference
[12:12] <Xera> k
[12:13] <tehpwn> How did nero mess up?
[12:13] <tehpwn> I have made many *cough* dvd-backups with nero6
[12:13] <Xera> i dunno how it did
[12:13] <Xera> but it did.
[12:13] <Xera> k3b/nero wouldn't start
[12:14] <tehpwn> Gah, why does apt-get upgrade take so long :'(
[12:16] <tehpwn> Lol, I'm on these forums and this kid spelt annoying 'enoyin'
[12:17] <Zamber> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/25677379/
[12:17] <tehpwn> what's this?
[12:21] <luca_b> tehpwn: it blocked the unit, so a reset was needed
[12:21] <tehpwn> Gave me some dumb error about adult content filter.. So I clicked on the filter link and it said I had to log in... so screw it imo
[12:22] <luca_b> tehpwn: <ot>Normal with DA</ot>
[12:22] <tehpwn> luca_b, What are you talking about?
[12:22] <luca_b> tehpwn: about the login thing you just wrote
[12:22] <Xera> well.. wish me luck
[12:23] <Xera> going to reinstall windows
[12:23] <tehpwn> Lol
[12:23] <tehpwn> I reinstalled windows on my other hdd like an hour ago
[12:23] <tehpwn> luca_b, I was refering to that link that Zamber, sent... is that what your talking about?
[12:24] <tehpwn> Sorry if I seem real dumb atm, its 3:30 here.. Lol
[12:24] <tehpwn> AM
[12:24] <luca_b> tehpwn: I was talking about the "mature content" filter, yes
[12:24] <tehpwn> oic
[12:24] <ForgeAus> grrr someone should tell VMware they ask too many irrelevant quesitons
[12:24] <luca_b> ok, off I go, bye bye!
[12:24] <ForgeAus> I'm not a company!
[12:25] <tehpwn> ForgeAus, ask too many what?
[12:25] <tehpwn> Like, what did they ask?
[12:25] <tehpwn> That was so irrelevant to make you upset... Or w/e
[12:27] <ForgeAus> they ask everything but the kitchen sink!
[12:27] <tehpwn> Lol
[12:27] <ForgeAus> all this stuff about how many X's and Y's are in my company... I don't even HAVE a company!
[12:28] <ForgeAus> they also require EVERY field
[12:28] <tehpwn> What you using VMware for? Fun?
[12:28] <ForgeAus> I don't even want to give them my name (if I don't have to)
[12:28] <tehpwn> Just put vulgar lanuage in the fields you don't know... lol
[12:28] <ForgeAus> mostly
[12:28] <ForgeAus> nah I'm not nasty like that but I should send them an email
[12:28] <ForgeAus> too nosy
[12:29] <tehpwn> Have you ever set up that little hack where you can get WinXP to BSOD on command?
[12:29] <tehpwn> It's fun to set up in VMware
[12:29] <praetor> anyone know what I need to install to get Kaffeine to play VCDs?
[12:30] <ForgeAus> rofl
[12:30] <ForgeAus> I've come from an XP background
[12:30] <ForgeAus> I'm kinda new to linux
[12:30] <ForgeAus> but what I really want is to try MacOSX!
[12:30] <praetor> I start Kaffeine, click the play VCD button, and I get an error message "xine: cannot find input plugin for MRL [vcd://]
[12:30] <tehpwn> Yeah, I started linux about 4 days ago hehe
[12:30] <ForgeAus> hehe I've had some experience before but nothing like what I'm learning now
[12:31] <tehpwn> Yeah, I'm like the worse person to ask... but the only person active here other than you... Lol
[12:31] <ForgeAus> VMware makes an awesome safe environment for any OS!
[12:31] <tehpwn> I haven't used it for so long, vmware that is
[12:31] <ForgeAus> praetor I dunno MRL but sounds like you need to search for a plugin
[12:31] <ForgeAus> google xine plugins perhaps?
[12:32] <ForgeAus> you could also try another media player I guess?
[12:32] <ForgeAus> between mplayer vlc and xine you should be able to play just about anything tho...
[12:32] <praetor> this seems to me something that should work out of the box so to speak
[12:33] <praetor> given that there are afaik no legal problems with playing VCDs
[12:33] <ForgeAus> um if you had mepis perhaps, but kubuntu and codecs, its got some... just needs a few more
[12:33] <ForgeAus> there aren't any... that I know of either...(legal problems that is) its more a matter of packages and codecs
[12:33] <ForgeAus> kubuntu just doesn't have them by default it seems
[12:33] <ForgeAus> VCD prolly isn't popular enough for it?
[12:34] <ForgeAus> its harmless anyway, easy to install a plugin/codec
[12:34] <ForgeAus> musta just been deemed superfluous
[12:34] <praetor> well from the xine FAQ:
[12:34] <praetor> "xine supports VCD and SVCD playback out-of-the box"
[12:34] <praetor> now Kaffeine is based on xine
[12:35] <ForgeAus> yeah obviously its a trimmed down xine its based on?
[12:35] <ForgeAus> VCD looks like its a plugin to xine: that probably comes with it in the box (hence the out-of-the-box statement)
[12:36] <ForgeAus> praetor start with zero expectaitons and you won't be disappointed! lol
[12:36] <ForgeAus> either that or it was an oversite on kubuntu's part?
[12:36] <ForgeAus> erm oversight
[12:37] <ForgeAus> I doubt the plugin would tip the distro over the edge in size
[12:37] <tehpwn> AFK for a bit
[12:39] <ForgeAus> I don't BELIEVE THIS!
[12:39] <ForgeAus> I just downloaded it from their own website and on first run it says theres an update!
[12:42] <Xerroz> where are all the feisty repositories?
[12:42] <ForgeAus> prolly same place as edgy ones just with the name feisty instead
[12:43] <ForgeAus> (ie deb <url here> fiesty main restricted universe multiverse
[12:43] <ForgeAus> (unless I got it mixed up)
[12:43] <ForgeAus> either that or check http://www.debianadmin.com/ubuntu-edgy-eft-complete-sourceslist-repository-list-file.html
[12:43] <ForgeAus> thats edgy ones
[12:44] <ForgeAus> but hopefulyl at least some have feisty ones or ones for any versions
[12:44] <Hobbsee> Xerroz: if you need to ask, you *really* shouldnt run feisty.
[12:44] <Hobbsee> ForgeAus: i guarentee that page will break your system.
[12:44] <Xerroz> i haven't used debian in over 5 years..
[12:44] <Hobbsee> Xerroz: feisty's rather broken, FYI
[12:45] <Xerroz> ive just recently attempted to go back (as in, 4 hours ago) ;)
[12:45] <Xerroz> understandable given its in development..
[12:46] <tehpwn> Whoooooooooooooooo!!! Wireless is working!!!!!
[12:48] <Xerroz> emerge spoiled me :-[
[12:48] <memo_> Hi
[12:50] <Xerroz> hello
[12:51] <memo_> hello Xerroz
[12:52] <ania> cze
[12:53] <mineur> !wolfenstein
[12:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wolfenstein - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:53] <mineur> !et
[12:53] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[12:57] <ForgeAus> 10 gig is a HUGE chunk of Space for OSX86
[12:59] <N6REJ> ok, time for dumb question #1482904 .... what does this statement mean exactly? .... JAVA_HOME=<path_to_java> # replace <path_to_java> with the full path to your Java installation
[12:59] <N6REJ> java seems to be in several places, and I don't know if they mean the jre, jdk, java bin, or what
[01:01] <mineur> N6REJ: probably something like this: /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/lib/i386
[01:02] <N6REJ> mineur: ok, great.. thanks!