[10:02] <imhotepp> Maric: //server/public      /server/public       smbfs   user,noauto,credentials=/etc/samba/auth.server.myname     \   0       0
[10:02] <fokuslee> corevette: so the linuxrescue folder is there and its saying the folder doesn't exist?
[10:02] <daftman> noobcook: yes it is development file
[10:02] <corevette> fokuslee: root@ubuntu:~# mount: mount point /home/ubuntu/linuxrescue does not exist
[10:02] <corevette> -bash: mount:: command not found
[10:02] <corevette> fokuslee....i created the folder
[10:02] <daftman> noobcook: it is probable 40 mb because of all the other dependencies
[10:02] <corevette> then i entered it again and tahts what came up fokuslee
[10:03] <DaneDog> I think i'm just gonna dual boot my other PC and donate this one to my girls house so i got a pc there to play with when i get bored...
[10:03] <noobcook> daftman: well i love it when it auto installs dependencies so i cant complain
[10:03] <DaneDog> is it possible to dual boot linux on the same hd
[10:03] <daftman> yes
[10:03] <DaneDog> like 2 different distros?
[10:03] <daftman> yes
[10:03] <daftman> partition it
[10:03] <Maric> imhotepp: I think that the noauto may be needed but I'm still new at samba so it may be wise to ask someone else
[10:03] <daftman> fdisk
[10:03] <fokuslee> darn maybe itz b/c livecd doesn't liek dat try /dev/hdb1 /mnt/
[10:03] <DaneDog> after i have ubuntu setup already?
[10:03] <daftman> !fdisk | DaneDog
[10:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fdisk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:04] <fokuslee> corevette:  hold on i try to check something for u
[10:04] <Jowi> gnuyoga, Can't find a thing. maybe, if you're brave, you can install the feisty alpha https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-December/000225.html that includes 2.6.19
[10:04] <daftman> you can resize your partition
[10:04] <imhotepp> but why does it mount it just fine when i mount it manually later on after boot
[10:04] <DaneDog> don't i have to unmount the hd first to partition it
[10:05] <Jowi> gnuyoga, it is less than stable though
[10:05] <noobcook> whats better Wine or VMware
[10:05] <fokuslee> corevette try to make the linuxrescue folder in /mnt/
[10:05] <daftman> noobcook: depends
[10:05] <fokuslee> if that doesn't work then i really don't no
[10:05] <Maric> imot: if Im not smoking crack, it is because fstab loads very early on and samba loads quite a bit later and is then able to do its job
[10:05] <tn-> hi
[10:05] <noobcook> daftman: for games ect
[10:05] <Healot> : noobcook depends on wht you're trying to achienve
[10:05] <daftman> then use cedega
[10:06] <daftman> or wine
[10:06] <tn-> I've got a problem with the intel-hda sound driver
[10:06] <gandalfcome> I have an ati graphics card and use that for dual screen. unfortunatley I get a mouse offset on one of the screens. Help greatly appreciated.
[10:06] <daftman> with vimware you can't run games
[10:06] <noobcook> ok wine it is =p its on automaix debs
[10:06] <noobcook> ah k
[10:06] <gnuyoga> jowi, looking at a production ready kernel
[10:06] <daftman> vimware you basically need to install the whole os
[10:06] <DaneDog> I knew i shoulda just stuck with my good old 386 @ 25 mhz :)
[10:06] <corevette> fokuslee..its created
[10:06] <Angela_8008135> my husband says I smell like clam dip :(
[10:06] <DaneDog> thanks guys later
[10:06] <tn-> I used to have sound, but each time I rebooted, sound volume got quieter
[10:06] <Healot> wine just provides the windows application compatibility layer
[10:06] <daftman> lol DaneDog, just get a decent gfx card
[10:06] <daftman> from nvidia or ati
[10:06] <noobcook> not ati for linux
[10:07] <daftman> it should be too expensive
[10:07] <Maric> DaneDog: you had a 386? luxury! I just have a commodore 64
[10:07] <noobcook> nvidia is for linux ati is not
[10:07] <noobcook> ><
[10:07] <tn-> does so had the same pb ?
[10:07] <noobcook> until they get their act together
[10:07] <fokuslee> corevette u have to change the line in /etc/fstab according ly
[10:07] <DaneDog> haha
[10:07] <Healot> not the whole OS (unlike vmware, which provide the virtualization of the OS)
[10:07] <fokuslee> corevette: then try mount /dev/hdb1
[10:07] <Jowi> gnuyoga, if you already tried disconnecting all external devices (appart from mouse+keyboad+screen) before booting I don't see much else to do.
[10:07] <DaneDog> Nope first pc was a 386, second was a 486DX2
[10:07] <noobcook> my first PC was an amiga
[10:07] <daftman> lol if you can run ubuntu on 386 il be impress
[10:07] <noobcook> lol
[10:08] <Maric> dane ahh my first was a vic 20 then the c64 then the 8080 etc...
[10:08] <DaneDog> that had 2x speed none of that 33 mhz stuff i got a whooping 66mhz
[10:08] <Jowi> gnuyoga, I hope someone else got better ideas than me.
[10:08] <corevette> mokuslee: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,
[10:08] <corevette>        missing codepage or other error
[10:08] <corevette>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[10:08] <corevette>        dmesg | tail  or so
[10:08] <noobcook> amigas ruled
[10:08] <daftman> ah the good old days
[10:08] <DaneDog> Hey doom ran on that and not my 2.6
[10:08] <noobcook> i used 2 play frogga
[10:08] <Maric> Dane woot 66mhz is teh roxor!
[10:08] <DaneDog> go figure
[10:08] <daftman> dane if you liek to be dangerous: play around with gentoo
[10:08] <noobcook> my laptop is only 600 mhz haha
[10:09] <daftman> you will probably compile you own kernel to run that mobo
[10:09] <noobcook> daftman: whats so bad about gentoo anyway
[10:09] <daftman> nothing wrong with gentoo
[10:09] <daftman> but it is not for linux newb
[10:09] <DaneDog> i was thinking of trying to run that and dual boot xubuntu
[10:09] <noobcook> eeveryone is always like "shudder gentoo"
[10:09] <Maric> my first comp had 20kb ram now I got 1 gig,
[10:09] <daftman> gentoo is a source distribution
[10:09] <daftman> you have to compile EVERYTHING
[10:09] <noobcook> danedog use solaris 10 =p
[10:09] <DaneDog> NO way
[10:09] <noobcook> oh
[10:09] <noobcook> stuff that
[10:09] <noobcook> haha
[10:10] <daftman> and i mean literally everything including the kernel at installation
[10:10] <Maric> noobcook: gentoo is a great distro, but it is the linux equivalent to going Amish
[10:10] <DaneDog> haha
[10:10] <daftman> lol
[10:10] <noobcook> i dont know what amish is
[10:10] <daftman> Maric: but it is fantastic if you get the hang of it
[10:10] <noobcook> but ill pretend to laugh =D
[10:10] <Moose> Does Ubuntu have SSH built in?
[10:10] <DaneDog> they live 35 miles from me...
[10:10] <Jowi> Moose, you have to install it
[10:10] <Maric> I agree draft
[10:10] <DaneDog> no power... no water....
[10:10] <bimberi> Moose: ssh client yes, not server
[10:10] <daftman> Moose: not the server
[10:10] <DaneDog> well running water
[10:10] <Moose> Jowi: Mind tossing me some instructions please?
[10:10] <daftman> the client
[10:10] <DaneDog> outhouses
[10:11] <DaneDog> like it's 1800's yet
[10:11] <Jowi> Moose, sudo apt-get install ssh
[10:11] <Moose> Thank'ee.
[10:11] <daftman> Moose: apt-get ssh
[10:11] <daftman> Moose: apt-get install ssh
[10:11] <RedGhost> whats the keyboard shortcut to kill a terminal application ?
[10:11] <noobcook> moose it doesnt
[10:11] <DaneDog> what else is a good distro to try?
[10:11] <daftman> ctrl + C
[10:11] <Maric> noobcook: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish
[10:11] <noobcook> k
[10:11] <noobcook> ill check it soon im apt getting
[10:11] <noobcook> brb
[10:11] <daftman> well i like ubuntu and gentoo so far
[10:11] <Jowi> DaneDog, slackware. basic and refreshing.
[10:11] <fokuslee> corevette:  ok sorri i didn't see it
[10:12] <RedGhost> daftman, thanks
[10:12] <fokuslee> corevette: itz complaining wrong file type
[10:12] <daftman> but if you want to be retro try Debian
[10:12] <corevette> no problem fokuslee
[10:12] <daftman> pure debian
[10:12] <fokuslee> corevette:  can u give me ur pastebin again?
[10:12] <DaneDog> i heard slackware is a little advanced too
[10:12] <Maric> ahh slackware thats annother badge of honor distro
[10:12] <Moose> so it installs off the disk?
[10:12] <corevette> which one....the newer one fokuslee?
[10:12] <daftman> I haven't used it so I don't know
[10:12] <daftman> nothing is as advanced as gentoo
[10:12] <fokuslee> corevette:  newer one
[10:12] <corevette> fokuslee: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1280/
[10:13] <Jowi> DaneDog, slackware is like going back to the roots of computing for me. it is straight forward (if you're used to linux)
[10:13] <DaneDog> nope... i'm used to dos
[10:13] <SurfnKid> Angela_8008135, oi
[10:13] <daftman> Jowi: what is that like?
[10:13] <DaneDog>  and i hate XP
[10:13] <Angela_8008135> hi
[10:13] <Jowi> daftman, refreshing in a weird sence
[10:13] <DaneDog> 2000 is as far as I install as far as microsoft
[10:13] <SurfnKid> Angela_8008135, are you on linux
[10:13] <noobcook> man im starved who wants to cook me dinner
[10:13] <daftman> Jowi: I need more technical desciption that that
[10:13] <Maric> Ive used gentoo, debian, slackware, SUSE, Ubuntu, and OpenBSD of the *nix family
[10:14] <Moose> Alright, I officially like Ubuntu better than any other Linix distro :P
[10:14] <daftman> DaneDOg: lol xp is alright for kids
[10:14] <Moose> Linux*
[10:14] <Moose> bah, half asleep.
[10:14] <DaneDog> yea...
[10:14] <Maric> Moose: good to hear
[10:14] <noobcook> ive used solaris 10 and ubuntu and debian RD and DSL and LL all in 4 days before that i was windows =p
[10:14] <daftman> DaneDOg: if you want games just load an xp behind your linux firewall
[10:14] <fokuslee> corevette:  did u isntall linux some other file type?
[10:14] <Maric> I like the ubuntu for the tight integration and ease of use/admin
[10:14] <fokuslee> corevette:  can u type df -T
[10:14] <daftman> hehehe i used dsl on my flash drive
[10:14] <Moose> It's just so easy to use and such. Oh and another plus, it works!
[10:15] <daftman> ubuntu at home
[10:15] <noobcook> dsl is a whore
[10:15] <daftman> gentoo at work
[10:15] <noobcook> lol
[10:15] <Jowi> daftman, great package management. sudo is optional. 2.4 kernel if you wish. very very very stable distro.
[10:15] <Maric> debian for quick and dirty server stuff
[10:15] <DaneDog> ah... I'll just stick to PS2 for a while...
[10:15] <corevette> what doy ou want on that fokuslee
[10:15] <DaneDog> how is FC6?
[10:15] <noobcook> i use dsl on a palm pilot with thc hydra and im hax0r elitez0r
[10:15] <noobcook> lol
[10:15] <DaneDog> it locked my PC on install...
[10:15] <fokuslee> do df -T
[10:15] <gandalfcome> I have an ati graphics card and use that for dual screen. unfortunatley I get a mouse offset on one of the screens. Help greatly appreciated.
[10:15] <fokuslee> corevette:  cuz i want to check if ur file type is ext3
[10:15] <DaneDog> and isn't close to ubuntu so I was stuck cuz nano isn't a command...
[10:16] <Maric> had too many issues installing FC myself,
[10:16] <daftman> Jowi: So far everything is stable for me in linux, except my gnome
[10:16] <fokuslee> corevette:  /dev/hdb1     ext3  is it like this??
[10:16] <daftman> Jowi: i thought apt-get and portage are the best
[10:16] <DaneDog> I like XFCE it's small and i run KDE and Gnome apps
[10:16] <Maric> hay quick question what is an Emacs? is it like a Vi?
[10:16] <corevette> fokuslee: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1282/
[10:16] <noobcook> YES
[10:17] <Moose> How about ftp? Do I need to install that as well?
[10:17] <noobcook> daftman: it compiled =D
[10:17] <noobcook> woohooo
[10:17] <daftman> Moose: No
[10:17] <daftman> Moose: only activate service that you need
[10:17] <daftman> noobcook: congrats
[10:17] <morgs> Maric: emacs is the complete opposite to vi. It includes entire programming languages and games
[10:17] <Moose> daftman: What do you mean?
[10:17] <noobcook> hey daftman since ur in aus can i try it on u =p
[10:17] <Maric> ahh, I wont need that then thx
[10:17] <DaneDog> it's a shame that more companies don't have drivers for linux for the hardware thou
[10:17] <daftman> noobcook: usually always look the package that end with dev when you want to compile something
[10:18] <daftman> sure
[10:18] <Maric> DaneDog: amen brother!
[10:18] <noobcook> thanks
[10:18] <prologic> Is "edgy" the correct/latest sources ot use ?
[10:18] <fokuslee> corevette:  sorri that command only show the file type of a mounted drive
[10:18] <daftman> try what tho?
[10:18] <morgs> prologic: yes
[10:18] <fokuslee> corevette:  the only thin i can think of is try to put auto instead of ext3
[10:18] <prologic> k ta
[10:18] <daftman> Moose: dont install ftp, it is not secure
[10:18] <prologic> just having problems with the ndiswarpper
[10:18] <corevette> where fokuslee
[10:18] <Maric> pro> yes if you have installed ubuntu edgy, no if you have dapper installed
[10:18] <prologic> it won't load and gives no reason why
[10:18] <DaneDog> I read they are accepting testers for hoary already
[10:19] <morgs> DaneDog: lol you mean feisty... hoary was ages ago!
[10:19] <Jowi> daftman, slackware is like the basic Volvo. rocksolid, secure and a bit boring. Ubuntu is like that ferrari - shiny, speedy and well manufactured. too different breeds. can't really compare them.
[10:19] <DaneDog> really?
[10:19] <jedrick> i need help.. i mounted a windows drive on my linux box.. and it's on "/mnt" but i can't access the folder when i try to open it.. anyone can help me?
[10:19] <Jowi> Moose, daftman is right. use ssh.
[10:19] <bimberi> Moose: no ftp server installed by default.  The default Ubuntu install has no service that listens on external ports
[10:20] <daftman> Jowi: slackware is GPL?
[10:20] <Jowi> sure is daftman
[10:20] <morgs> jedrick: how did you mount it?
[10:20] <daftman> Jowi: and free as in free beer and free speech?
[10:20] <bimberi> Moose: (cups listens on locahost)
[10:20] <DaneDog> sorry it's herd
[10:20] <Maric> Jowi: I agree slackware is very boring to play with - it just keeps working quietly away...
[10:20] <jedrick> morgs, mount -t ntfs /dev/hda5 /mnt
[10:21] <fokuslee> corevette:  u mite have installed ur linux with reiserfs
[10:21] <morgs> jedrick: sudo?
[10:21] <DaneDog> they are testing herd the new release...
[10:21] <jedrick> nope :)
[10:21] <DaneDog> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=201
[10:21] <Maric> draftman: yep all free
[10:21] <fokuslee> corevette:  try to change the file type from ext3 to reiserfs
[10:21] <jedrick> morgs, i forgot to sudo :)
[10:21] <DaneDog> how can they test that if fiesty isn't out yet...?
[10:21] <corevette> how fokuslee
[10:21] <fokuslee> corevette:  in /etc/fstab
[10:21] <Jowi> daftman, as free as it gets. slackware.com is there if you want more info :)
[10:21] <morgs> DaneDog: it's a herd of feisty fawns
[10:21] <fokuslee> corevette: sudo nano -w /etc/fstab
[10:21] <DaneDog> oh!!
[10:22] <noobcook> daftman: ** ERROR **: file callbacks.c: line 544 (popen_re_unbuffered): should not be reached
[10:22] <noobcook> aborting...
[10:22] <Maric> draftman: it is an Ur distrom started very early on and has been there done that for ages
[10:22] <corevette> i know where in fstab fokuslee
[10:22] <DaneDog> i'm lost
[10:22] <jedrick> morgs,  how to mount to windows drive automatically on boot?
[10:22] <daftman> Jowi: i heard some distro isn't really free like xandros or something
[10:22] <fokuslee> corevette:  yeah see where it had ext3 change it to reiserfs
[10:22] <morgs> DaneDog: the herd (1,2,...) "releases" are milestone versions. There's actually a daily CD image produced every day for feisty but it is considered unstable...
[10:22] <fokuslee> corevette:  copy the last line back to me please
[10:22] <DaneDog> breezy and dapper and edgy and ......
[10:22] <jedrick> how to unmount the mounted drives on my linux box?
[10:22] <DaneDog> can i get that somewhere?
[10:22] <daftman> noobcook: what are you trying to do?
[10:22] <morgs> jedrick: You need to edit /etc/fstab. That file has entries for partitions, permissions and when to mount them.
[10:22] <Maric> DaneDog: fiesty fawn
[10:22] <corevette> fokuslee: /dev/hdb1   /mnt/linuxrescue ext3    noatime,umask=000              0 0
[10:23] <noobcook> daftman:  its just a remote login
[10:23] <DaneDog> can anyone try it?
[10:23] <noobcook> but its incomplete i think
[10:23] <SurfnKid> !fonts
[10:23] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[10:23] <fokuslee> corevette good the part where it says ext3 change it too reiserfs
[10:23] <daftman> noobcook: you want to remote login to my computer?
[10:23] <Jowi> daftman, here's a nice overview of what some distros come from if you're interested (good overview) http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3370/2500/1600/GNULinux.jpg
[10:23] <Maric> !fiesty Maric
[10:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fiesty Maric - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:23] <noobcook> daftman: nah i was just testing if it works how it says it does
[10:24] <fokuslee> corevette:  corevette i want u to change it b/c it complaints that the ext3 is a bad file system type
[10:24] <morgs> DaneDog: wait for "herd 2" to be released, it's the next Alpha release. Don't upgrade to it though, still many many bugs but you can test.
[10:24] <DaneDog> someone can remote login mine if they want... i don't care :)
[10:24] <corevette> ok now what fokuslee
[10:24] <Jowi> !feisty | Maric
[10:24] <ubotu> Maric: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[10:24] <DaneDog> not much to do on my pc
[10:24] <fokuslee> save and exit and try to sudo mount /dev/hdb1 again
[10:24] <DaneDog> sweet
[10:24] <morgs> !feisty Maric
[10:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about feisty Maric - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:24] <daftman> DaneDog: that is if you leave your server running
[10:24] <fokuslee> corevette:  if that fails try to put auto inplace of reiserfs to try autodetect
[10:24] <DaneDog> daftman: huh?
[10:25] <daftman> noobcook: what are you using to  do remote login? vnc? ssh?
[10:25] <daftman> DaneDog: people cant login to your computer if you don't have any server running e.g. like vnc, ssh, ftp, etc
[10:25] <noobcook> daftman: ciso protocol, SNMP
[10:25] <DaneDog> this is what is so awesome about ubuntu.... the community...
[10:25] <DaneDog> oh...
[10:26] <corevette> fokuslee...neither worked
[10:26] <corevette> fokuslee stop for a sec
[10:26] <corevette> fokuslee..i don't have much to save...but i have one last question
[10:26] <fokuslee> corevette:  go ahead
[10:26] <DaneDog> why are so many people on this channel and idle?
[10:26] <Maric> I guess fiesty fawn ISOs are availiable at the www.ubuntu.com/testing/herd1
[10:26] <fokuslee> corevette:  try to post ur question on the forum
[10:26] <daftman> yea what about it noobcook?
[10:26] <fokuslee> maybe someone can help
[10:27] <corevette> fokuslee....when i plugged both hard drives in at the same time....the live cd wouldn't start
[10:27] <noobcook> daftman: thats what im using for remote login
[10:27] <corevette> fokuslee...but it would start if i plugged in only one hard drive
[10:27] <bimberi> DaneDog: Because they like to watch :)
[10:30] <daftman> I know: but with what software? SNMP is just a protocol
[10:30] <fokuslee> corevette:  does it matter which harddrive u plug in?
[10:30] <DaneDog> haha bimberi... you just came out of the woodwork :)
[10:30] <corevette> no fokuslee...but it would freeze if i plugged in both
[10:30] <daftman> DaneDog: well I am paying it back and forward
[10:30] <daftman> DaneDog: some people help me before and now I help others back when I can
[10:30] <Maric> this chat is the second reason why I am staying with ubuntu
[10:30] <fokuslee> corevette:  the only thing i can think of is your powersupply is not big enuff did u just add a new harddrive?
[10:30] <Maric> the first is the distro itself
[10:30] <corevette> it freezes during while the live cd is loading
[10:30] <DaneDog> If i had any knowledge i'd do more then just ask question and shoot the Sh*t
[10:30] <fokuslee> corevette:  it also mite by ur mobo i had the same problem when i plug in both sata and pata it freezes
[10:30] <fokuslee> corevette:  it could be your mobo
[10:30] <MeisterZopf> anyone knows a solution to the skype freeze problem on ubuntu?
[10:30] <DaneDog> but i'm trying does that count?
[10:30] <corevette> whats mobo fokuslee?
[10:30] <fokuslee> corevette:  soo this mite be a hardware problem did u just get a new drive?
[10:30] <Maric> DaneDog: it counts
[10:30] <mneptok> corevette: what northbridge?
[10:30] <corevette> mneptok northbridge?
[10:30] <fokuslee> mother board
[10:30] <corevette> you think i'm missing a few slavesor something fokuslee?
[10:31] <fokuslee> corevette: slave and master shouldn't matter
[10:31] <fokuslee> itz auto select rite?
[10:31] <DaneDog> thanks...
[10:31] <mneptok> corevette: who makes the motherboard? what controllers does it use? is te PATA cntroller internal to the northbridge or a third party?
[10:31] <DaneDog> i appreciate that...
[10:31] <fokuslee> corevette:  did u just put in a new harddrive?
[10:31] <corevette> i've used both before at the same time fokuslee....
[10:31] <corevette> just recently i can't fokuslee
[10:32] <DaneDog> I think i'm gonna stick it out and learn to live without unreal tournament for a while... :)
[10:32] <Maric> DaneDog you like fps type games then?
[10:32] <fokuslee> i really really don't no im really sorri
[10:32] <DaneDog> I'm learning alot about linux... but i'm ruining installations
[10:32] <fokuslee> corvet im soo out of ideas lol
[10:32] <DaneDog> that and RPG are all i play
[10:32] <SurfnKid> how do you install fonts?
[10:32] <Maric> hang on a tic
[10:32] <corevette> its okay fokuslee
[10:32] <SurfnKid> Ive got a few fonts here with me
[10:33] <DaneDog> sure
[10:33] <SurfnKid> do I just copy that to /usr/share/fonts?
[10:33] <corevette> i have to go...it's 1:30 in the morning and i've got high school in 7 hours..thanks for your help fokuslee
[10:33] <Jowi> SurfnKid, yep, or to $HOME/.fonts
[10:33] <fokuslee> corevette:  yeah try to ost on the forum
[10:35] <fokuslee> u in colleg?
[10:35] <fokuslee> im in cali too so itz same time for me
[10:35] <corevette> fokuslee....nope high school
[10:35] <Maric> DaneDog: stop by www.quadropolis.us
[10:35] <corevette> fokuslee mountain view
[10:35] <DaneDog> what's that?
[10:35] <fokuslee> ok ok go too bed
[10:35] <fokuslee> its a place in cali
[10:35] <fokuslee> corevette:  im in berkeley
[10:35] <corevette> fokuslee....you goin to cal?
[10:35] <Maric> a linux fps game/comunity site
[10:35] <SurfnKid> Jowi, would you suggest either or solution?
[10:35] <fokuslee> i finished : )
[10:35] <DaneDog> cube games won't run.....
[10:35] <DaneDog> unichrome sucks... :(
[10:35] <Maric> ohhh right
[10:35] <corevette> fokuslee....curiosity...what was your highschool gpa
[10:35] <Maric> srry
[10:35] <DaneDog> it's ok...
[10:35] <fokuslee> 4.2
[10:35] <Jowi> SurfnKid, both work. /usr/share/fonts are system wide, /home/user/.fonts are just for that user.
[10:35] <DaneDog> maybe tommorrow i'll check to see if i got any video cards to use...
[10:35] <Maric> I usu get along ok - but I use nvidia
[10:35] <corevette> fokuslee...damn okay i think i need more sleep to get up that high.. thanks again
[10:35] <fokuslee> corevette:  cal look at gpa but also alot of extra activity
[10:35] <fokuslee> corevette:  ok good luck
[10:35] <DaneDog> i think anything is better then unichrome right now
[10:35] <Maric> hehe true
[10:35] <fokuslee> and 99
[10:35] <deepsa> my wireless is not working please help
[10:35] <deepsa> i have ipw3945
[10:35] <deepsa> please help
[10:36] <SurfnKid> Jowi, thanks man!
[10:36] <DaneDog> it kinda sucks... because in between Mandriva and Xubuntu I installed 2000 pro and the card worked pretty good for games
[10:36] <Moose> What kind of security features does ubuntu have?
[10:37] <DaneDog> anyone got any overclocking expierence with celeron?
[10:37] <Maric> well, understand that linux is the red headed step child of driver support
[10:37] <lupine_85> Moose: you name it, it's go it ;)
[10:37] <lupine_85> got*
[10:37] <DaneDog> yea i noticed :)
[10:37] <Moose> By default, is everything pretty secure?
[10:37] <Maric> moose check out the bastile linux package
[10:37] <lupine_85> by default, very secure
[10:37] <Moose> Cool, that's all I needed to know :)
[10:37] <lupine_85> no open ports at all (compared to MS's ~20 or so); no vulnerability to viruses, most buffer overflows;
[10:37] <lupine_85> etc
[10:38] <Maric> moose for the paranoid the bastille package rocks
[10:38] <lupine_85> not to mention timely updates whenever a vulnerability is found ;)
[10:38] <Maric> that and grsecurity and away you go to secure ops
[10:38] <mneptok> deepsa: sudo aptitude install linux-restricted-modules
[10:38] <deepsa> ok
[10:38] <deepsa> reboot needed?
[10:39] <mneptok> yes
[10:39] <Moose> Well my network is somewhat insecure, I have nothing blocking my ports and such.
[10:39] <DaneDog> I oc my 2.6 @ 113fsb and it's ok, but if i push it any further it locks the system... i heard rumors of a burn in effect where if u let it run at a higher bus it gets used to it and works better... ever hear of that?
[10:39] <Maric> ubuntu security updates are some of the fastest and best
[10:39] <lupine_85> Moose: there's a built in firewall in linux, but by default it's not needed
[10:39] <lupine_85> due to the lack of open ports :)
[10:39] <Moose> Hm.
[10:39] <lupine_85> no NetBIOS/Samba/etc
[10:39] <fokuslee> lupine_85: so ur saying clamav and firestarter are just wastes?
[10:39] <lupine_85> not at all
[10:40] <Moose> Since I installed SSH, does that open up some vulnerability?
[10:40] <lupine_85> they're great as soon as you start opening ports
[10:40] <jedrick> morgs, how to mount my windows drives everytime i boot up my computer?
[10:40] <lupine_85> Moose: increases risk very slightly
[10:40] <Maric> DaneDog: yes, and due to my *limited* electronics training (avionics tech) I am inclined to dislike that statement
[10:40] <mneptok> fokuslee: ClamAV is 99% useless as regards Linux
[10:40] <Moose> Alright, so it's not really waving a flag saying "Hey, we've got free SSH!".
[10:40] <lupine_85> the SSH server has a good codebase; you don't get vulnerabilities in it often at all
[10:40] <jedrick> how to mount my windows drives everytime i boot up my computer?
[10:40] <DaneDog> so you don't see it happening...
[10:40] <lupine_85> mneptok: it's good for protecting all your windows-using friends ;)
[10:41] <lupine_85> Moose: only if people port-scan you
[10:41] <fokuslee> lupine_85: hehe so try
[10:41] <mneptok> lupine_85: that's what Ubuntu CDs are for
[10:41] <Moose> Is there a way to block port scanning?
[10:41] <lupine_85> erm, depends
[10:41] <fokuslee> lupine_85 i didn't do anything with iptables so im good rite i mean i torrent but the ports are closed after automatically rite?
[10:41] <lupine_85> but for extra protection, just use port knocking or (best) SSH key authentication
[10:41] <Maric> DaneDog: no not really, and I am more inclined to think that there could be hardware damage if you are unlucky
[10:42] <lupine_85> fokuslee: well, not really, no
[10:42] <Moose> port knocking?
[10:42] <deepsa> THANKS its working
[10:42] <lupine_85> yeah
[10:42] <Moose> Never heard of it, heh.
[10:42] <lupine_85> you send a specific code to a specific port on your server
[10:42] <mneptok> deepsa: np
[10:42] <DaneDog> yea... i have 4 fans running and my cpu doesn't ever get over 31c
[10:42] <lupine_85> that then starts the SSH daemon for a short period for you to log in
[10:42] <deepsa> somebody tell me ubuntu svn repo for beryl i wanna install thru synaptic the svn version
[10:42] <DaneDog> so it's not getting too hot, but the voltage is up .05v
[10:42] <lupine_85> it makes port scans essentially useless against you
[10:42] <Moose> How would I enable SSH key authentication?
[10:42] <fokuslee> lupine_85 do u have a computer related job?
[10:42] <fokuslee> if i may ask?
[10:42] <lupine_85> no
[10:43] <lupine_85> I'm a biologist :p
[10:43] <fokuslee> darn u no soo much
[10:43] <jedrick> i can't play mp3 file on my amarok.. why is that? can someone help me?
[10:43] <fokuslee> lol
[10:43] <fokuslee> lupine_85:  master? phd?
[10:43] <Maric> DaneDog: its not just heat, semiconductors like everything just so, if its off al kinds of wierd things happen
[10:43] <lupine_85> BSc.
[10:43] <lupine_85> (2nd year now)
[10:43] <deepsa> anybody help
[10:43] <deepsa> help please
[10:43] <fokuslee> lupine_85:  i finished mcb and math but i didn't really like bio
[10:44] <lupine_85> if it makes you feel any better, I've just spent ~17 hours trying to convert an avi to another format :D
[10:44] <Maric> DaneDog: votage, current and other things all can/do have their effects and when they are pushed too hard with anyof these smoke comes out
[10:44] <lupine_85> finally successed
[10:44] <lupine_85> succeeeded rather
[10:44] <fokuslee> lupine_85:  wow noo way why soo long
[10:44] <fokuslee> thats crazy
[10:44] <DaneDog> oh... cuz i also heard that intel "supposedly" uses the same chip for the P4 as the Celeron but different onboard cache and that they basically speed test the chip till it can't go anymore and that's what it's rated at...
[10:44] <Moose> Anyone have any tips for running 8 servers out of your house? As far as throwing breakers all the time? Figured I'd ask since we have all these science people here.
[10:44] <lupine_85> ever heard of a .smv format?
[10:45] <lupine_85> Moose: in general, don't do it
[10:45] <DaneDog> and if that's true, then my processor is going to die real soon :)
[10:45] <Moose> lupine_85: Why not?
[10:45] <Maric> had an issue with a nav/comm radio the other day - a student put is DMM on resistance measureing and probed the board w/ power on and that alone nuked a $300.00 transistor and a cpu and other things
[10:45] <lupine_85> you can buy space in a datacenter for around the same costing, and get more resilience besides :p
[10:45] <Maric> chips are sensitive buggers
[10:46] <fokuslee> lupine_85: .smv? never but i wiki it hehe
[10:46] <lupine_85> it's not in the wiki
[10:46] <lupine_85> that obscure :D
[10:46] <Moose> The same price? Co-lo hosting for a full rack is in excess of $2500 / month here :P
[10:46] <lupine_85> ?!
[10:46] <deepsa> :D
[10:46] <lupine_85> can you virtualise it? or host overseas?
[10:46] <fokuslee> Maric wut u teach?
[10:47] <Moose> lupine_85: Was that directed at me?
[10:47] <lupine_85> yeah
[10:47] <Maric> DaneDog: they do punch out many chips at a time from the same silicon, but their tests are pretty accurate if conservative
[10:47] <lupine_85> or how about 4 procs in 1U of space?
[10:47] <Moose> Host overseas? I'd rather not, shipping and all...
[10:47] <DaneDog> haha... that's not funny i know someone who used a multimeter on a Mitsubishi Eclipse ECU to measure ohms and had it set for something else and it didn't do the PCM much good... cost him like 250 for another turbo PCM
[10:47] <lupine_85> oh, you already have the hardware
[10:47] <lupine_85> ?
[10:47] <Moose> Yep :P
[10:47] <Maric> fokuslee: I teach basic electronics and soldering, I also help in an advanced communications class on aircraft radios and ILS systems
[10:48] <Moose> Got >300 pieces of random sizes and such of RAM too :P
[10:48] <lupine_85> http://linitx.com/product_info.php?cPath=40&products_id=267&osCsid=5f4a37892d6834c9519a0f6623aa2bfe :)
[10:48] <lupine_85> Moose: ^ that is cool ^
[10:48] <fokuslee> Maric:  sounds really cool, lol im just looking for career advice thinking about changing
[10:48] <lupine_85> 8 CPUs in 2U of space, if you get two
[10:48] <DaneDog> sounds like you gotta lot of knowledge in general Maric
[10:49] <Maric> fokuslee: I'll be happy to talk about it
[10:49] <Moose> lupine_85: That would solve some problems :P
[10:49] <Maric> DaneDog: I got it by screwing up alot, graduated magna cum clod at the school of hard knocks
[10:49] <lupine_85> mm, buy me one while you're stocking up ;)
[10:49] <fokuslee> Maric:  well like right now i just graduated applied math and mcb but i really don't like the jobs i get with them
[10:49] <Moose> Hehe, I should replace all of mine with those :P
[10:50] <lupine_85> :p
[10:50] <Maric> fokuslee: well you like airplanes?
[10:50] <fokuslee> Maric  im really interested in electronics but i have no experience
[10:50] <Moose> I've got two 4U SUN servers, not sure what to do with them. Never used SUN before.
[10:50] <fokuslee> Maric:  who doens't
[10:50] <gnomefreak> Maric: fokuslee join #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:50] <Moose> But I know that two of them on one circuit, not a good idea :P
[10:50] <fokuslee> T.T
[10:51] <DaneDog> how many mod chips have you done in video games :) if u do soldering in a class i'm sure students ask u to do that to PS2's and Xbox
[10:51] <lupine_85> OpenSolaris is fun, but you can also run Ubuntu on sun hardware I think
[10:51] <Maric> srry gnomw
[10:51] <gnomefreak> DaneDog: join #ubuntu-offtopic to continue on that topic
[10:51] <Moose> That would be cool then.
[10:51] <fokuslee> Maric hehe i got u in trouble : ) are u there?
[10:51] <DaneDog> has anyone gotten ubuntu to run on a ps2 or psp?
[10:51] <DaneDog> sorry
[10:52] <lupine_85> DaneDog: perfectly do-able
[10:52] <Maric> dane, focus see you in off topic?
[10:52] <DaneDog> sure
[10:52] <mneptok> thanks, guys
[10:52] <lupine_85> see http://playstation2-linux.com/
[10:52] <Moose> Just a quick question about NICs, whats the point of having 3? :P
[10:53] <lupine_85> there's a debian distro that runs already, IIRC
[10:53] <lupine_85> Moose: lots of reasons
[10:53] <lupine_85> especially if you've got a cluster :)
[10:53] <Moose> A cluster?
[10:53] <lupine_85> lots of PCs together
[10:54] <Moose> Yeah, I suppose I have one then :P
[10:54] <lupine_85> e.g. a full rack of those 4-mobos/1U boxes :)
[10:54] <IntuitiveNipple> Moose: Security on a gateway - WAN, LAN, and DMZ
[10:54] <lupine_85> mm. my server in london has a crossover cable direct into the Ubuntu gb mirror, among others
[10:54] <lupine_85> only 100mbps though
[10:55] <IntuitiveNipple> Anyone doing kernel device hacking ?
[10:55] <torkel_> Can anyone help me with a routing/firewall issue here? I've got a server with two NIC's. One connected to the LAN and the other to internet. The lan have full access to the internet and no trouble at all (im on freenode now f.ex), but I cannot connect from the server itself. I've checked iptables and the routing table, and I can't find the error :/
[10:55] <DaneDog> maric: hey maric u coming over to offtopic?
[10:55] <lupine_85> torkel_: weird stuff. A DNS problem?
[10:56] <torkel_> lupine_85: no, cant reach ip's either
[10:56] <lupine_85> what's between server & internet?
[10:56] <IntuitiveNipple> torkel_: does the syslog show refused connections?
[10:56] <torkel_> lupine_85: it's directly connected to the isp via fibre channel
[10:56] <Moose> If I install another hard drive, and want to access it through ubuntu, how would I partition it? With what file system and what mounting directory and such?
[10:56] <torkel_> IntuitiveNipple: Let me check
[10:56] <lupine_85> any chance the ISP is blocking that IP?
[10:57] <lupine_85> oh, and is the network setup sane?
[10:57] <lupine_85> since you've got fibre channel, I assume it must be :)
[10:57] <torkel_> lupine_85: not blocking the IP, im masquerading the LAN on the same ip
[10:58] <lupine_85> you only have the one IP?
[10:58] <lupine_85> (public)
[10:58] <IntuitiveNipple> torkel_: Is it multi-homed on the WAN i/f - in other words, routing the LAN on one IP, but trying to route itself on another?
[10:59] <lupine_85> major w00tage
[10:59] <SurfnKid> !fonts
[10:59] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[10:59] <lupine_85> another milestone gone :)
[10:59] <Jowi> torkel_, if the lan can access the net then it is not a routing issue. what type of server is it that you have set up? is it in the LAN? can the clients in the LAN ping the machine that the server is running on?
[10:59] <mneptok> lupine_85: just dropped 3 minutes ago :)
[11:00] <lupine_85> :p
[11:02] <impulze-> hey how can i get a normal terminal from the ubuntu amd64 livecd?
[11:02] <impulze-> without firing up the installer?
[11:02] <impulze-> just a normal shell :)
[11:02] <lupine_85> ctrl+alt+f1 ? ;)
[11:02] <impulze-> ok :) i'm not sure another guy is trying to rescue his system and i'm helping him remotely and he only got ubuntu livecd :)
[11:03] <Marupa> Hey, really quick question.  How would I enable higher resolutions than 1024x768?  I know my monitor and card support it.
[11:03] <gnomefreak> impulze-: from the menu go to applications>accesories>terminal ;)
[11:04] <jrib> !fixres | Marupa
[11:04] <ubotu> Marupa: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:04] <impulze-> gnomefreak: which option would i have to choose during booting from the cd?
[11:04] <gnomefreak> impulze-: boot or install
[11:04] <Marupa> thank you, jrib.
[11:04] <impulze-> gnomefreak: but choosing install opens the partitioner
[11:04] <impulze-> gnomefreak: i don't need that
[11:04] <gnomefreak> impulze-: when you have the 5 or so choices you would choose the 1st one
[11:04] <noobcook> rofl
[11:04] <noobcook> i found kenacort A-10 in my fridge
[11:04] <mneptok> Marupa: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:04] <gnomefreak> impulze-: choosing the first option will bring you to the desktop so you can either use the livecd or install from it
[11:05] <DRMacIver> Hm. THe latest mozilla java plugin in the repositories seems to use 1.4. That's just embarassing. :)
[11:05] <impulze-> gnomefreak: the first option is "install in text mode"
[11:05] <gnomefreak> impulze-: thats not the live cd than
[11:06] <gnomefreak> impulze-: thats the alternate cd
[11:06] <impulze-> it's the amd64-alternative cd
[11:06] <impulze-> yes
[11:06] <impulze-> sorry i didnt make that clear
[11:06] <jrib> DRMacIver: no, 1.5 on edgy at least
[11:06] <gnomefreak> impulze-: you cant do anything but install with that cd
[11:06] <DRMacIver> jrib: I don't see it.
[11:06] <DRMacIver> jrib: They have the 1.5 jre, but I don't see the browser plugin for it.
[11:06] <jrib> !info sun-java5-plugin | DRMacIver
[11:06] <ubotu> sun-java5-plugin: The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1 kB, installed size 64 kB
[11:06] <gnomefreak> !info sun-java5-plugin dapper
[11:06] <ubotu> sun-java5-plugin: The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-06-1 (dapper), package size 1 kB, installed size 64 kB
[11:06] <DRMacIver> Hm. Maybe I've messed up my repository setup. I'll try again. :)
[11:07] <gnomefreak> DRMacIver: if you see 1.4 you will see 1.5
[11:07] <impulze-> gnomefreak: do i need ubuntu-6.10-desktop-amd64.iso    ?
[11:07] <gnomefreak> impulze-: yes
[11:07] <impulze-> ok
[11:07] <gnomefreak> DRMacIver: look for package sun-java5-plugin
[11:08] <DRMacIver> gnomefreak: I see bin, demo, doc, fonts, jdk, jre and source. No plugin.
[11:08] <DRMacIver> Oh
[11:08] <DRMacIver> Note that I'm on AMD64
[11:08] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:08] <DRMacIver> That's usually the problem. :)
[11:08] <gnomefreak> DRMacIver: than install bin and jre
[11:09] <jrib> DRMacIver: yep, http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=sun-java5-plugin&searchon=names&subword=1&version=edgy&release=all
[11:09] <DRMacIver> I already have the 6 JDK installed. They don't include the plugin. :)
[11:09] <DRMacIver> jrib: Oh well.
[11:09] <jrib> DRMacIver: there should be links from the restricted wiki on getting it to work with amd64
[11:10] <DRMacIver> Yeah, but it will probably me more time and effort than I feel like putting into it at this time in the morning. :)
[11:10] <DRMacIver> be
[11:10] <DRMacIver> I'll take a look later. Thanks.
[11:10] <jrib> yes, would probably be faster to just reinstall the i386 version of ubuntu :)
[11:10] <jackass> ok.. i have a problem! when i set the subnet for <IP_ADDRESS> at <IP_ADDRESS> the route config changes to <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> ... essentially I can't connect to anyone... help?
[11:11] <DRMacIver> My philosophical stance on that suggestion is that I'm more interested in having a properly functioning 64 bit system than I am in playing applets. :)
[11:11] <DRMacIver> And for most other things I'll set up a dchroot when I get round to it.
[11:12] <Jowi> jackass, you do not have a <IP_ADDRESS> network
[11:13] <mneptok> jackass: you want <IP_ADDRESS> for the mask
[11:13] <jackass> will my friends are using windows, and they successful playing etc.. i know, its technically incorrect.. but hey? what can I do? lol
[11:13] <jackass> ok
[11:13] <jackass> will tell them to change
[11:13] <jackass> i thought so too
[11:13] <jackass> windows.. its shocking the network crimes it commits!@!@!
[11:13] <Jowi> jackass, <IP_ADDRESS> is a class A network. you do not have that. take my word for it
[11:14] <jackass> thanks
[11:14] <un_operateur> jackass, if you want to use that setup (a weird one indeed) .. all computers on that network must use a mask of <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:14] <mneptok> Jowi: you never know. maybe he's the human incarnation of uuNet ;)
[11:14] <noobcook> usenet *vomit*
[11:15] <mneptok> uuNet != Usenet
[11:15] <Jowi> jackass, in a "normal" LAN network the subnet mask will be <IP_ADDRESS> and that is what I think you want seeing the ip address you wish to use. here's some basics for you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subnetwork
[11:15] <torkel__> Jowi: It's a fujitsu siemens primergy rx100s3 server, a 19" blade. I can ping both of the NICs on the server from inside the lan, the one connected to internet and the one connected to the lan. The lan clients have access to the internet also, but not from the server when i ssh in to the server from inside the lan. There is another strange problem though, connecting to ssh takes some time.. 20 seconds perhaps :/
[11:15] <Jowi> jackass, <IP_ADDRESS> is a class C network
[11:15] <jackass> Jowi: thanks!
[11:16] <torkel__> Jowi: i can also ping the lan clients from the server, but not the internet gateway or any further than that.
[11:16] <jackass> Jowi: I understand .. my friends have incorrectly configured the LAN setup.. let me fix it
[11:16] <un_operateur> Jowi, <IP_ADDRESS> is actually a Class E network .. :) it's the default classful mask for a class C network tho :)
[11:17] <Jowi> torkel__, are you connecting to the servers ip address or its name?
[11:17] <Jowi> un_operateur, very very true
[11:17] <torkel__> Jowi: ip, no dns record yet.
[11:17] <mneptok> torkel__: traceroute time
[11:17] <torkel__> 1.8ms
[11:17] <reverendnathan> Howdy, I'm trying to install ubuntu 6.1, and I gotta problem. the GUI doesn't recognize my mouse of keyboard. They are generic PS/2 devices that both Windows and Arch Linux had recognized from the get-go.
[11:18] <torkel__>  1  <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>)  2.554 ms  2.613 ms  2.675 ms
[11:18] <torkel__>  2  <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>)  1.994 ms  1.745 ms  1.835 ms
[11:18] <reverendnathan> Is there another install method or boot command I can use?
[11:18] <mneptok> torkel__: do the packets reach the destination?
[11:18] <torkel__> mneptok: yeah
[11:18] <torkel__> mneptok: i'm sitting on the lan, and i can ping my gateway, the server, and further out to the internet.
[11:18] <bimberi> reverendnathan: do you have keyboard in the virtual console?
[11:18] <noobcook> why isnt there any guides to cooking methamphetamines on google you ask
[11:18] <mneptok> torkel__: then routing is not the issue. check firewall rules.
[11:18] <noobcook> well the government made it so google cant return searches for that
[11:19] <reverendnathan> bimberi: I'm doing a CD install
[11:19] <jrib> noobcook: #ubuntu-offtopic please
[11:19] <noobcook> hahaha ok =)
[11:19] <un_operateur> torkel__, can you !pastebin the output of  - route -n
[11:19] <bimberi> reverendnathan: ah, so no k/b or mouse when the LiveCD boots?
[11:20] <mneptok> noobcook: #ubuntu-methlab is on another network hosted from a double-wide trailer
[11:20] <un_operateur> torkel__, route -n  on the server/router/gateway
[11:20] <bimberi> r.o.f.l.
[11:20] <Jowi> torkel__, i'm confused by your description. you say that the LAN has got access to the internet but can't ping the gateway...? did I understand that correctly?
[11:20] <noobcook> mneptok:  ROFL
[11:21] <reverendnathan> bimberi: When I used the 5.0 CD for my backup, I had no problem. This new installer for 6.1 is some sort of LiveCD-InstallCD hybrid, where it loads up Gnome as it were, and has a desktop icon "Install". Problem is I can't point or guide my way to there because... well... you know.
[11:21] <Jowi> torkel__, or is it from within the server you can't ping the gateway?
[11:21] <un_operateur> Jowi, it seems to me, the gateway/router has 2 default routes and the LAN-side one takes precedence because of the lower metric
[11:22] <mneptok> reverendnathan: checked BIOS settings for the "Legacy IO Support?"
[11:22] <bimberi> reverendnathan: yep i know :/ . At the moment all I can suggest is to try the alternate CD (which is a pretty crappy suggestion I know)
[11:22] <Jowi> torkel__, do the server have the correct ip/mask/gateway set up?
[11:22] <Jowi> looks like it un_operateur
[11:22] <bimberi> reverendnathan: so listen to mneptok (especially his jokes) :)
[11:23] <torkel__> Jowi: jowi, the setup is like this  LAN(<IP_ADDRESS>/24)<->ROUTER<-(<IP_ADDRESS>/24)->SERVER<->INTERNET. The LAN clients have access to the internet and can ping all hosts, the server can ping the router and all hosts on lan, but not internet
[11:23] <reverendnathan> bimeri: Like, install version 5, and go through updates?
[11:23] <torkel__> un_operateur: !pastebin?
[11:23] <reverendnathan> mneptok: Lemme check. Hold up fool
[11:23] <reverendnathan> s
[11:23] <reverendnathan> fools*
[11:23] <reverendnathan> Ah
[11:23] <reverendnathan> I just installed Vista
[11:23] <un_operateur> !paste | torkel__
[11:23] <ubotu> torkel__: paste is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste)
[11:23] <bimberi> !alternate | reverendnathan
[11:23] <ubotu> reverendnathan: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[11:23] <reverendnathan> Advice to those who still have interest in Windows
[11:24] <mneptok> reverendnathan: "fools?" dude, *my* keyboard works ;)
[11:24] <reverendnathan> It's XP with some new tricks... not worth it
[11:24] <reverendnathan> haha
[11:24] <reverendnathan> It's slang in this region I'm in
[11:24] <mneptok> reverendnathan: 1996?
[11:24] <reverendnathan> Oh, that alternitive CD sounds just fine!
[11:24] <mneptok> :P
[11:24] <reverendnathan> Haha
[11:24] <reverendnathan> Souther California
[11:24] <un_operateur> torkel__, so in this setup it's 'server' that is behaving a little odd, right?
[11:24] <tijn> can it do a handstand?
[11:24] <reverendnathan> But lemme check me BIOS
[11:24] <reverendnathan> BRB
[11:25] <torkel__> un_operateur: yeah, seems like iptables issues.. but can find any error there :/ Probably is though
[11:25] <mneptok> reverendnathan: seriously, poke around the BIOS for settings related to PS/2 support
[11:25] <un_operateur> torkel__, I think it's more a routing issue -- can you get on the server and paste the contents of the route -n command
[11:25] <torkel__> un_operateur: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1284/
[11:26] <labanux> is there any program in Ubuntu to create UFS filesystem??
[11:27] <mneptok> labanux: by default UFS write is turned off, iirc
[11:28] <un_operateur> torkel__, errm, from the server, can you ping these two addresses? <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:28] <torkel__> un_operateur: eth0 is connected to internet, and eth1 the lan
[11:29] <labanux> mneptok : so how can i turn it on?
[11:29] <un_operateur> torkel__, yep, i noticed that
[11:29] <torkel__> un_operateur: cant ping any of them from the server
[11:29] <IntuitiveNipple> torkel__: routing table looks identical to mine, and mine works fine.
[11:29] <xip> hi, Im having problems getting my wireless to work, can someone help me?
[11:29] <torkel__> un_operateur: can ping them from the lan though
[11:29] <IntuitiveNipple> torkel__: Have you tried stopping the firewall temporarily to see if that allows you WAN access?
[11:30] <IntuitiveNipple> torkel__: can you pastebin iptables -L ?
[11:30] <SHRIKEE> http://www.sothq.net/2007/01/12/what-would-be-different-for-you-if-you-had-no-computer/
[11:30] <un_operateur> torkel__, can 'server' ping any of the 192.168.4.x addresses? they seem ok here
[11:31] <torkel__> un_operateur: no, cant ping <IP_ADDRESS>/24 from the server (i really thought i could :P)
[11:31] <reverendnathan> Alright, didn't see any option for Legacy I/O
[11:31] <Jowi> torkel__, what is the ip of the server?
[11:31] <reverendnathan> I'm gonna take a fstab that that alternaCD
[11:31] <labanux> is there any program in Ubuntu to create UFS filesystem??
[11:32] <torkel__> IntuitiveNipple: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1285/
[11:32] <torkel__> Jowi: the internal <IP_ADDRESS> and the external the one i got from isp
[11:32] <Jowi> torkel__, so your router and the server is the same machine?
[11:33] <IntuitiveNipple> torkel__: pastebin your ifconfig please?
[11:33] <Jowi> torkel__, how about putting the server on the same network as you lan?
[11:33] <torkel__> torkel__: i got two routers... the lan (<IP_ADDRESS>/24) is connected to one, and that one is connected to the server via <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:34] <un_operateur> Jowi, it is on the same network .. atleast one interface is
[11:34] <torkel__> Jowi: wont have it on the same subnet
[11:35] <torkel__> IntuitiveNipple: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1286/
[11:41] <torkel__> let me clean up the iptables rules and paste them
[11:41] <IntuitiveNipple> torkel__: Well, I can ping your WAN gateway but not the server, so there's obviously *something* intercepting
[11:41] <un_operateur> torkel__, what i would do now is delete each route (route delete ..) and add them back giving each route except the <IP_ADDRESS> a metric of 20 and giving <IP_ADDRESS> a metric of 10 .. that way you force all exernal traffic to exit the eth0 interface to <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:41] <gandalfcome> I have an ati graphics card and use that for dual screen. unfortunatley I get a mouse offset on one of the screens. Help greatly appreciated.
[11:41] <IntuitiveNipple> I don't see any problems in the routing table - its a straightforward gateway table
[11:41] <un_operateur> IntuitiveNipple, the problem is that all routes possess the same metric now .. usually the dfault route <IP_ADDRESS> has a lower metric than the others
[11:41] <torkel__> IntuitiveNipple: some firewall rules, i clean them up now
[11:41] <IntuitiveNipple> But, metrics only come into play where you've got identical routes
[11:41] <IntuitiveNipple> torkel__: thanks
[11:41] <IntuitiveNipple> I've got an identical setup here (route-wise) and it works fine
[11:41] <jimcooncat> is there a nice howto to install edgy alongside dapper, and dual boot?
[11:41] <saul_> hi
[11:48] <torkel__> firewall setup http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1287/
[11:48] <un_operateur> IntuitiveNipple, errm, actually, notice the second route <IP_ADDRESS> has a gateway of <IP_ADDRESS> when it should be something like <IP_ADDRESS> as like the third route?
[11:48] <IntuitiveNipple> no, thats correct. mines reads: <IP_ADDRESS>    <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>   U     0      0        0 eth0
[11:48] <torkel__> i cant reach 192.168.4.x from the server either :)
[11:48] <torkel__> no traffic out from it, only forwarding
[11:48] <torkel__> and traffic in to it works
[11:48] <IntuitiveNipple> when the gateway is <IP_ADDRESS> the route uses the i/f specified
[11:48] <un_operateur> IntuitiveNipple, if i read that right then it's going to send all traffic destined to 192.168.0.x out the default route which is out on the internet i.e. <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:48] <un_operateur> IntuitiveNipple, !worksforme might not work for everyone else :)
[11:48] <IntuitiveNipple> no, it'll send it via the i/f - in this case the LAN i/f eth1
[11:48] <Jowi> torkel__, if inbound traffic works but outbound doesn't. then the gateway of either server or the rotuer it is connected to is faulty.
[11:48] <IntuitiveNipple> torkel__: lets see those firewall rules, it feels like something in there is playing silly buggers
[11:48] <un_operateur> torkel__, do the clients on either of the networks have problem pinging across i.e. 192.168.0.x to 192.168.4.x and vice-versa?
[11:48] <mwe> #debian
[11:48] <goodthing> the new macbooks with core 2 duo cpu's, do they need to get installed with the powerpc iso too?
[11:48] <torkel__> IntuitiveNipple: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1287/
[11:48] <Jowi> goodthing, intel (PC) one
[11:48] <goodthing> Jowi: so i386 right?
[11:48] <torkel__> un_operateur: the clients on the lan can reach everything. Traffic coming from the internet and in i dont know about, you can try http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[11:48] <Jowi> goodthing, should be. yes
[11:48] <un_operateur> torkel__, what's the IP address of the router in the <IP_ADDRESS> network .. the side connecting upto the server?
[11:48] <torkel__> un_operateur: <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:48] <goodthing> Jowi: better be ;) because i am not buying a macbook when i cannot put ubuntu on it...
[11:48] <Jowi> goodthing, not sure if the core 2 is 64 bit and will work with the 64-bit PC version. or if it needs the x86 version.
[11:48] <mwe> it's 64 bit
[11:49] <torkel__> i love my macbook :)
[11:49] <mwe> EMT64 will work with the 64 bit version I think
[11:49] <un_operateur> torkel__, I would try backing up the route table and tweaking the <IP_ADDRESS> route like this -- sudo sh -c "route -n > route.bak; route del -net <IP_ADDRESS> gw <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>; route add -net <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> gw <IP_ADDRESS>"
[11:50] <Oni-Dracula> since everyone in #xchat is a child, I'd like to see if anyone knows if there is a version of the xchat-text package that is up to date with xchat?
[11:51] <mwe> !info xchat-text
[11:51] <ubotu> Package xchat-text does not exist in any distro I know
[11:51] <andyshack> evening folks. can someone point me in the right direction for an app to monitor services / network traffic for my ubuntu box ? id like to watch what its up to and see what services are talking to the wan and how much data they are using.
[11:51] <mwe> it doesn
[11:51] <mwe> it doesn't exist
[11:52] <un_operateur> andyshack, !firestarter
[11:52] <andyshack> un_operateur : cool ill have a look at it cheers. youve used it ?
[11:53] <un_operateur> andyshack, errm, not much no .. it's actually a GUI frontend to IPTables but it can monitor traffic almost in real-time
[11:53] <Oni-Dracula> it existed in hoary
[11:53] <Oni-Dracula> and debian still has a version for xchat 2.4
[11:53] <andyshack> yeah that sounds good enough for now.
[11:53] <Oni-Dracula> but we're up to 2.6 in edgy
[11:54] <un_operateur> Oni-Dracula, ubuntu != debian .. debian is hesitant to release the latest, best and greatest because their foremost aim is stability
[11:55] <Oni-Dracula> meh
[11:55] <Oni-Dracula> i thought maybe there was development made for xchat-text to bring it up to date
[11:56] <gdb> Ah, to be fair, the debian that most people use will, generally, be more "up to date" than Ubunty.
[11:56] <gdb> er Ubuntu
[11:56] <Oni-Dracula> for now, irssi will be my console client
[11:56] <Oni-Dracula> :-/
[11:56] <gdb> (at least after a couple of months!)
[11:56] <DiKKy> irssi is d best
[11:57] <Oni-Dracula> i always like to have a text irc client just in case I break something
[11:57] <un_operateur> torkel_, any improvement?
[11:57] <gdb> ubuntu is a freeze of debian unstable, that's, well, stablized and then has ubuntu value-add applied.
[11:57] <torkel_> yn
[11:57] <gdb> most people use debian testing or unstable, and unstable trickles into testing.  *most* installs of debian are not debian stable.
[11:57] <torkel_> un_operateur: no, i've changed the routing... let me paste the new route -n
[11:58] <un_operateur> torkel_, ok
[11:59] <DiKKy> gdb why are u beeing such anti-ubuntu zealot
[11:59] <torkel_> un_operateur: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1289/
[11:59] <gdb> andyshack: mrtg is what you want
[11:59] <Oni-Dracula> uhh
[11:59] <gdb> DiKKy: I beg your pardon?
[11:59] <Oni-Dracula> is it possible that EasyTAG corrupted a few of my mp3's?
[11:59] <DiKKy> you heard me
[11:59] <torkel_> un_operateur: same issue as last time
[12:00] <gdb> andyshack: Actually, perhaps it's not.. hrm.
[12:00] <snail> Oni-Dracula: anything is possible, more likely that the were already non-standard, damaged or corrupted and EasyTAG made them worse
[12:00] <bakert> hello everyone.  i'd be really, really grateful if you could help me with this one.  i tried to install some .debs from debian-unstable and now i can't get apt-get back into a working state.
[12:00] <torkel_> un_operateur: back in a minute, going to move my macbook to the serverroom :)
[12:00] <andyshack> wow. ive got 15 ip's a second hitting my box. i knew there was something up.
[12:00] <Oni-Dracula> snail, ugh... i really need to start buying music
[12:00] <IntuitiveNipple> torkel_: Try adding an if lo rule for OUTPUT
[12:00] <gdb> ntop might work, though, for that
[12:01] <stefg> Can anyone help with this? I login from my desktop-PC to my laptop via ssh -X and start a remote gtk-app.  Doesn't theming work  for remote Displays?
[12:01] <gandalfcome> I have an ati graphics card and use that for dual screen. unfortunatley I get a mouse offset on one of the screens. Help greatly appreciated.
[12:01] <frogzoo> andyshack: that's pretty standard for a net connected box
[12:01] <snail> bakert: installed by hand or by apt-get?
[12:01] <bakert> I tried to "dpkg -i " on ghc6.6 (a compiler for haskell) and it required libc6 so I got the .deb for that and did the same.  which required tzdata so i did the same for that.
[12:01] <Oni-Dracula> a lot of my music now sounds like it has bad gas
[12:01] <CITguy> can someone tell me why I don't have permission to view a mounted file system?
[12:01] <vect0rx> so if it took me a whole day get my relatiely older laptop to pout out xort on a 1366x768 lcdtv, who might want to keep track of my cfg for a similar latoptop video chipset that was a beeeeyotch to get right (me being a unix software eng)
[12:01] <bakert> i removed everything.  now when i do "apt-get -f install" i get "unmet dependencies" because tzdata is not installable.
[12:01] <frogzoo> CITguy: what type of file system?
[12:01] <gdb> bakert: You've basically hosed your machine.  I'd really suggest reinstalling it unless you want to do a mass of forced package installs by hand.
[12:02] <vect0rx> citguy, depemds on fs... mount /dev/device /mnt/place -o umask=000 might loosen it up
[12:02] <un_operateur> torkel_, yea but the route's aren't correct -- notice that the gateway for <IP_ADDRESS> is <IP_ADDRESS> not .2 .. moreover the route addresses a subnet of <IP_ADDRESS> i.e. <IP_ADDRESS>/29 as opposed to <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[12:02] <gdb> Screwing with libc is a really bad idea.
[12:02] <Jowi> stefg, you will get the same theme for gtk as your user have on the remote computer. the computer you connect from need to have it installed in order to display it though.
[12:02] <CITguy> I've configured my /etc/fstab file to mount a couple of ntfs partitions
[12:02] <snail> bakert: that or upgrade to unstable
[12:02] <gdb> And reinstalling takes about 15 minutes ;-)
[12:02] <CITguy> but when I mount them, it says I don't have permission
[12:02] <frogzoo> CITguy: ntfs is read only
[12:02] <bakert> if i try to install ghc6.4 i get a problem because it thinks i want the 6.6 referred to in the other packages (perhaps?)
[12:02] <frogzoo> !ntfs-3g | CITguy
[12:02] <ubotu> CITguy: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[12:03] <torkel_> IntuitiveNipple: if OUTPUT rule for what?
[12:03] <snail> CITguy: you need to add an option there you make them user-readable
[12:03] <CITguy> oh, ok. thanks
[12:03] <bakert> snail, when you say "upgrade to unstable" what do you mean?  i thought ubuntu was based on debian-unstable?
[12:03] <Jowi> stefg, example. Tod on PC1 ssh -X to Tod on PC2. Tod on PC2 have xshinytheme for gtk. PC1 need to have xshinytheme installed in order to display it.
[12:04] <CITguy> wait, if ntfs is read only. why can't i read it?
[12:04] <torkel_> un_operateur: the reason i cant ping the internal ip addresses of the lan from the server is because they are infact masqueraded by the router (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[12:04] <frogzoo> CITguy: what's your fstab line?
[12:04] <IntuitiveNipple> torkel_: It ought not to make a difference as your default OUTPUT policy is ACCEPT, but you never know. The packets you're "losing" are coming from localhost as far as netfilters is concerned
[12:04] <CITguy> I think it has something to do with permissions
[12:04] <un_operateur> torkel__, what is the mask of <IP_ADDRESS> (on router) ?? is it <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS> ??
[12:04] <jrib> CITguy: use the proper umask when you mount
[12:04] <torkel_> let me check.. 0 i guess :)
[12:04] <stefg> Jowi: hmm... i use the same theme for the user on the lappie and the Desktop. So intheory it should work. But let me examine this further, now that I know how it /should/ work
[12:04] <jrib> !ntfs | CITguy
[12:04] <gdb> bakert: It's built on a freeze of Debian unstable, it is not, however, Debian unstable.  When Ubuntu is frozen, you can consider it more or less a "Debian stable".  Debian unstable continues to evolve daily and trying to mix the two is not really workable.
[12:04] <ubotu> CITguy: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[12:05] <un_operateur> torkel_, i dont think thats the issue because it is only traffic that traverses the server that is masqueraded not traffic originating from itself
[12:05] <snail> bakert: your problem is that you have one foot in each of two camps. your nightmare will only end when you have both feet in a single camp. moving completel to debian unstable is a possible (though not easy) way to do this
[12:05] <IntuitiveNipple> torkel_: but you might try: iptables -A OUTPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT
[12:06] <torkel__> un_operateur: now its <IP_ADDRESS> on the router as well
[12:06] <un_operateur> torkel_, so what is this address <IP_ADDRESS>/<IP_ADDRESS> ? is it an interface on the router too?
[12:06] <stefg> Jowi: D you think that just sync'ing the ~/.icons and ~/.themes (where the user defined themes are) will fix it?
[12:07] <torkel__> un_operateur: <IP_ADDRESS> is the NIC on the server, connected on the inside
[12:07] <IntuitiveNipple> thats the route on the router to the server
[12:07] <bakert> snail, hmm.  i see.  and a dist-upgrade to edgy (from dapper) or something a bit less painful than reinstalling won't do me any good because my versions are too recent?
[12:07] <Jowi> stefg, it might.
[12:07] <bakert> (the one i've added(
[12:07] <stefg> Jowi: i'll try and let everyone know :-)
[12:07] <torkel__> un_operateur: internet <> server <<IP_ADDRESS>/<IP_ADDRESS>> router <<IP_ADDRESS>/24> lan
[12:07] <IntuitiveNipple> torkel_: Did you try that i/f lo iptables rule?
[12:07] <un_operateur> torkel_, well, so according to your routing table ..  all traffic to <IP_ADDRESS> is sent back up it's own interface ,.. almost in an endless loop
[12:08] <gdb> bakert: You can give it a shot!
[12:08] <Jowi> stefg, I always have different themes on the computer so I don't confuse which machine I'm on :)
[12:08] <gdb> bakert: disable all references to debian unstable in your sources.list, replace all references to dapper with edgy, do an apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade and pray.
[12:08] <gdb> bakert: make sure you have ubuntu-desktop installed before doing that
[12:09] <stefg> Jowi: it's always in the window-title
[12:09] <torkel__> un_operateur: is it? only the router and the server sit on <IP_ADDRESS>/29 (<IP_ADDRESS>)?
[12:09] <gdb> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop of dpkg -l ubuntu-desktop indicates an install status of "un"
[12:09] <apokryphos> ack
[12:09] <jrib> lol
[12:09] <gdb> er if dpkg -l
[12:09] <apokryphos> one sec though
[12:09] <un_operateur> torkel_, examine route -n again .. second route's gateway is it's own interface .. :)
[12:10] <snail> bakert: you've installed debian core packages, you need to upgrade to debian, or downgrade back to ubuntu
[12:10] <bakert> gdb, i don't have ubuntu-desktop (according to dpkg -l) but that may just be because of my libc6 problem.
[12:10] <Jowi> stefg, not in the graphical apps you launch from ssh (at least not for me)
[12:10] <frogzoo> bakert: it's a metapackage - you don't need it
[12:10] <bakert> snail, how do i downgrade back to ubuntu though?  (thanks for your help by the way folks)
[12:10] <gdb> bakert: is this ubuntu, kubuntu, or xubuntu?
[12:11] <torkel__> un_operateur: true, but i get pingreply from <IP_ADDRESS> from the server.. very responsive. Anyways how do I fix it? is there any need for adding a route to that net or will ifconfig eth1 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> do?
[12:11] <bakert> gdb, ubuntu dapper
[12:11] <gdb> bakert: Ah, ok, and installing ubuntu-desktop isn't going to work because the dpkg state on the system is broken.. hrm
[12:11] <stefg> Jowi: Got it. although it's the same theme, it's in /usr/share/themes on the Desktop, put in ~ on the lappie... The ususal 'human error'
[12:11] <bakert> yep
[12:11] <gdb> bakert: Which packages, exactly, where installed new?
[12:11] <gdb> er were
[12:12] <un_operateur> torkel_, the next hop for that route should be <IP_ADDRESS> as with the <IP_ADDRESS> route
[12:12] <gdb> bakert: you could consider downloading those specific packages from an ubuntu repo (by hand) and force downgrading to them with dpkg.
[12:12] <bakert> gdb, i tried to install ghc6.6 which failed because it needed libc6.6, then i tried to install libc6 which failed because it needed tzdata, then i tried to install that
[12:12] <snail> bakert: (1) backup your data (2) uninstall as many as possible of the debian packages as will uninstall nicely (3) uninstall the other debian packages and install the ubuntu ones, using --force options and other nastiness
[12:12] <snail> bakert: your best option is a reinstall
[12:13] <torkel__> un_operateur: you lost me :D
[12:13] <gdb> Well, trying to fix it may take hours
[12:13] <gdb> reinstalling will take a few minutes ;-)
[12:13] <gdb> But --- if you try to fix it
[12:13] <gdb> You can learn a lot!
[12:13] <keithg> Is there a way to turn voices on and off in Ubuntu?  For some extremely strange reason I can't hear singing in ANY of my music.
[12:13] <snail> bakert: there are some forceing and fixing options to apt-get you will need to learn
[12:13] <mneptok> apokryphos: no Feisty mention? :?
[12:14] <un_operateur> torkel__, delete old route and   route add -net <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:14] <bakert> If I reinstall I need to back up 60GB of data and recreate the link to my encrypted home partition and other nightmares.  i'd really rather try and "undo" what i've done if at all possible.
[12:14] <apokryphos> mneptok: see -ops
[12:14] <gnomefreak> mneptok: you still around?
[12:14] <gnomefreak> oh ok apokryphos you got it?
[12:14] <torkel__> un_operateur: that seems justs as wrong? "i can reach <IP_ADDRESS> through <IP_ADDRESS>?
[12:14] <IntuitiveNipple> un_operateur: the *gateway* for the route <IP_ADDRESS>/30 should be <IP_ADDRESS> (eth1) since the server itself exists in the <IP_ADDRESS>/30 subnet
[12:15] <IntuitiveNipple> otherwise you are telling the server to route packets for itself to the LAN router, directly from localhost
[12:15] <un_operateur> torkel_, another thing -- if only <IP_ADDRESS> and .2 exist in that subnet, how do you verify cross subnet talk .. ??
[12:15] <snail> bakert: there's also: "apt-get install --reinstall --ignore-missing <list of all installed packages>"
[12:15] <bakert> snail, gdb, I tried dpkg -i on three packages.  the first two failed (ghc6 and libc6) because of dependencies.  And then tzdata failed too in the middle because it tried to overwrite some file that also belonged to "locales".  So nothing actually installed???
[12:15] <torkel__> un_operateur: cause im on the server <IP_ADDRESS> from <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:15] <torkel__> using ssh
[12:15] <dromer> what is a good ploce to download N64 roms?
[12:15] <bakert> snail, gdb, So I've kind of messed up the metadata but not the actual system???
[12:16] <snail> bakert: probably
[12:16] <torkel__> un_operateur: but it takes some time to establish the connection, 10-20 seconds.
[12:16] <snail> bakert: what was the exact command line that failed?
[12:16] <gdb> bakert: your 60GB of data, is it on a separate partition?
[12:16] <IntuitiveNipple> The only time you add a gateway IP to a route is when the subnet is not directly connected to the server itself
[12:16] <torkel__> un_operateur: but when connected it's all okay
[12:16] <snail> bakert: please tel me that the 60GB is backed up?
[12:17] <torkel__> un_operateur: be back in 5 minutes, have to try something :)
[12:17] <IntuitiveNipple> Non of this is affecting the server<>WAN lack of connectivity though
[12:17] <un_operateur> torkel_, ok, what kind of a router is this?
[12:17] <bakert> snail, gdb it actually says "is to be installed" about some of the libc6 stuff.  is there not a command to say, "forget i told you to do that please"?
[12:17] <graniti>  Hi. I use a program which listens to different keyboard shortcuts. I have to make that this program doesn't listen to "Ctrl-Alt-Esc". is it possibile?
[12:17] <torkel__> IntuitiveNipple: yeah :/
[12:17] <un_operateur> torkel_, does it do NAT? is NAT enabled on it?
[12:17] <gdb> bakert: dpkg -e libc6.6 ?
[12:18] <gdb> hrm, I dunno
[12:18] <torkel__> back in 5 :)
[12:18] <noobcook> i cant seem to get Wine to run my games
[12:18] <noobcook> can anyone help?
[12:18] <un_operateur> andyshack, it doesnt seem to be working mate
[12:19] <frogzoo> !appdb | noobcook
[12:19] <ubotu> noobcook: Appdb is a database of apps & help for programs that run under wine: see http://appdb.winehq.org
[12:19] <un_operateur> andyshack, it times out
[12:19] <capiira> hmmm hi is that normal that grub displays me something about C: ? i dont even have windows installed!
[12:19] <frogzoo> capiira: grub knows nothing about C:
[12:19] <capiira> strange
[12:20] <capiira> i get a msg that disappears very fast with something about c:
[12:20] <vlt> Hello. Can I tell `diff` to ignore two files when their mtime is the same (in directory mode)?
[12:20] <dromer> does anybody know where to find N64 roms?
[12:21] <capiira> before showing something with stage 1.5
[12:21] <jrib> vlt: you'd probably have to script that
[12:21] <dromer> I want to try Mupen64
[12:21] <barata> anybody experiencing problem with grub? especially back in Win 98 & 2000 time??
[12:22] <Vluid> dromer: google
[12:22] <barata> that usual grub just doesnt boot the shit and it says the partition is 'screwed'
[12:22] <dromer> Vluid: goolge is a bitch :(
[12:22] <bakert> snail, gdb, where can i find the ubuntu .deb files?  if i force install the correct libc6 things might get better?
[12:23] <barata> hallo, how can I install ntfs in ubuntu? --> apt-get install "ntfs"??
[12:23] <capiira> let me reboot and see what is does exactly show
[12:23] <dm> ntfs is not something you install
[12:23] <un_operateur> !ntfs-3g | barata
[12:23] <ubotu> barata: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[12:23] <snail> bakert: by the sounds of it, yuo still have the correct libc6
[12:23] <gdb> us.archive.ubuntu.com -- as per the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:23] <Vluid> dromer: what about http://www.rom-world.com/
[12:23] <dm> ntfs-3g is :)
[12:23] <gdb> snail: I think the system wouldn't work at all if the wrong libc was installed.
[12:23] <torkel_> now its fixed :)
[12:23] <gdb> snail: as in actually on disk, installed
[12:23] <Vluid> dromer: ive got many gameboy roms from there
[12:24] <torkel_> i removed the entire 192.168.4.x network from the router, its behind a natted router anyways
[12:24] <barata> heih .. NICE !! ..... now we can write to NTFS??? Is it safe?
[12:24] <snail> bakert: the dpkg command you used that fail midway, you need to run the uninstall version of that
[12:24] <snail> gdb: i agree
[12:24] <torkel_> the clients from 192.168.4.x can connect to the internet, and the server can to!
[12:24] <bakert> snail, gdb, yes i think you are right.  i just want it to forget that it's planning to install some other thing with the same name!
[12:24] <dromer> Vluid: sorry, looking for N64
[12:24] <bakert> i ran dpkg -r tzdata
[12:24] <gdb> bakert: I'd try doing the regular apt-get remove command
[12:24] <torkel_> many thanks for the help, you guys have been great! un_operateur and IntuitiveNipple , i'll by you a beer if you visit norway some day :)
[12:24] <gdb> actually
[12:25] <torkel_> bbrb
[12:25] <snail> barata: it's beta, isn't not safe
[12:25] <bakert> "tzdata is not installed, so not removed"
[12:25] <un_operateur> torkel_, if 'router' is using NAT server will not be able to talk to 192.168.4.x if it initiates communication
[12:25] <Vluid> dromer: it has also a n64 section
[12:25] <gdb> bakert: apt-get --simulate --purge remove <packages that you tried to install>
[12:25] <gdb> see if that fives you something screwy
[12:25] <gdb> gives*
[12:26] <barata> yeah ... never safe with it!
[12:26] <dromer> Vluid: oh that site, missed it
[12:26] <bakert> gdb: "Package tzdata is not installed, so not removed
[12:26] <bakert> "
[12:26] <gdb> ok then delete that from the command line and try again
[12:26] <un_operateur> torkel_, also you should repair the route i gave you -- the route's still pointing at <IP_ADDRESS> .. change it back to <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:26] <dromer> Vluid: yeah well all those sites seem big scamms, you get 101 popups and no downloads <_<
[12:26] <bakert> snail, gdb, it does say " Unmet dependencies. Try apt-get -f install with no packages (or specify a solution)."
[12:26] <bakert> but apt-get -f install says "unable to correct dependencies"
[12:27] <bakert> gdb, sorry i don't quite follow - delete what from the commandline?
[12:27] <snail> does it say what dependencies?
[12:27] <gdb> tzdata
[12:27] <bakert> The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[12:27] <bakert>   libc6: Depends: tzdata but it is not installable
[12:27] <bakert>   libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6-0ubuntu20) but 2.3.6.ds1-10 is to be installed
[12:27] <bakert>   libc6-i686: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.3.6-0ubuntu20) but 2.3.6.ds1-10 is to be installed
[12:27] <un_operateur> !paste > bakert
[12:27] <bakert> gdb, when you say delete tzdata what do you mean?
[12:27] <snail> apt-get remove tzdata
[12:27] <gdb> remove it from the command line
[12:27] <bakert> Package tzdata is not installed, so not removed
[12:28] <gdb> apt-get -s --purge remove <everything else but tzdata>
[12:28] <capiira> hmmm i get Attempting to boot from  C:, Attempting to boot from USB etc.
[12:28] <capiira> maybe its a bios message
[12:28] <bakert> gdb, by "everything else" you mean ghc6.6 and libc6 that i tried to install?
[12:28] <un_operateur> bakert, sounds like you need to install tzdata
[12:28] <gdb> yes
[12:28] <snail> un_operateur: no, tzdata is a debian pacakge...
[12:28] <gdb> un_operateur: no, he doesn't
[12:29] <bakert> yes tzdata is a deb which i tried to install and failed because it conflicted with "locales"
[12:29] <mcphail> doesn't he need to reinstall the ubuntu libc6???
[12:29] <frogzoo> capiira: mention of C: is likely coming from a doze boot loader
[12:29] <gdb> mcphail: that's what's installed
[12:29] <wedgeV> is anyone here using dvd-ram in linux and can help me set it up in edgy?
[12:29] <capiira> hmmmm
[12:29] <bakert> mcphail, i think i still have the ubuntu libc6 (almost sure) i just need to convince ubuntu to stop thinking about the debian unstable version and it's unmet dependencies.
[12:29] <gdb> mcphail: dpkg hasn't actually installed anything broken, it's state is screwed up because the system has been told to install things that don't make sense
[12:29] <Vluid> dromer: hmmm
[12:30] <gdb> er its*
[12:30] <un_operateur> snail, gdb tzdata happens to be an ubuntu package too http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=tzdata&searchon=names&subword=1&version=edgy&release=all
[12:30] <gdb> un_operateur: yeah, and the libc6 that dpkg is set to install doesn't depend on that one
[12:30] <capiira> you know a way to fix that?
[12:30] <gdb> and tzdata isn't in dapper anyway
[12:30] <bakert> un_operateur, interesting.  i am on dapper.  but perhaps an upgrade to edgy would fix
[12:30] <bakert> ?
[12:30] <gdb> cbell@circe:~$ apt-cache search tzdata
[12:30] <gdb> cbell@circe:~$
[12:31] <dromer> Vluid: or pay-sites .. I just found out
[12:31] <Vluid> dromer: http://www.theroms.com/ http://www.romnation.net/
[12:31] <un_operateur> gdb, you helping him get down from debian to pure ubuntu?
[12:31] <un_operateur> gdb, you on edgy?
[12:31] <bakert> that's the plan
[12:31] <gdb> bakert: The system isn't going to do anything until the dependancy situation is resolved anyway.
[12:31] <Vluid> dromer: http://www.romguy.com/
[12:31] <bakert> ah.  ok
[12:31] <gdb> un_operateur: no and no
[12:32] <bakert> so i just want to say: "please forget about the stuff you are queueing up to install".  how do i say that?  is there a way?
[12:32] <un_operateur> gdb, explains why you dont have tzdata then
[12:32] <gdb> bakert: if you point at edgy repos, it might "figure it out" but I think it best to get your *dapper* system working correctly before trying to move it to edgy
[12:32] <gdb> un_operateur: yeah, and why *he* isn't supposed to
[12:33] <mcphail> bakert: i'd try "sudo aptitude install libc6=whatevertheubuntupackageis"
[12:33] <JKoder> Hello , i have Via S3 Unichrome (PM800/PN800) videocard and i am using via driver in xorg
[12:33] <noobcook> does anyone know if its possible to runregedit under linux from a windows partition and make changes that write?
[12:33] <JKoder> my 3D is working fine but how can i activate S-Video ?
[12:34] <JKoder> should i use TwinView option ( this is not just for nVidia based cards ? )
[12:34] <gdb> which would be libc6 2.3.6-0ubuntu2
[12:34] <un_operateur> gdb, well, without it libc6 is going to cry .. and without libc6, the entire system will  .. maybe reinstall libc6 from dapper (if thats what he's trying to get to)  ?
[12:34] <dromer> Vluid: n/w, I give up
[12:34] <ketil> why has ubuntu changed from /etc/inittab to /etc/event.d?
[12:34] <Trini_Man> i have ubuntu on my PC alone i want to install XP also how do i get back Grub ?
[12:34] <gdb> un_operateur: his correct libc6 doesn't care about tzdata
[12:34] <apokryphos> Trini_Man: take a look at the FAQ (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions) as linked to in the channel /topic
[12:34] <capiira> hmmm my system needs 45 sec to reboot after the loadbar+logo becomes empty and i dont know why :/ is that normal ?
[12:35] <ketil> and how do I add a service to /etc/event.d and start it without rebooting? Like "kill -HUP 1" would do before.
[12:35] <bakert> mcphail, gdb Unable to find a version "libc6 2.3.6-0ubuntu2" for the package "libc6"
[12:35] <gdb> it depends on locales, not tzdata
[12:35] <un_operateur> gdb, errm, the libc6 he is trying to remove now does depend on it .. he just showed us that
[12:35] <gdb> ...
[12:35] <gdb> no, that's not what he's shown -- he's shown that the libc6 the system is set to install depends on it, the acutal *installed* libc6 doesn't
[12:36] <gdb> he tried to install debian unstable's libc into a dapper system
[12:36] <JKoder> so does anyone has any ideea ?
[12:36] <gnomefreak> thats why
[12:36] <gdb> we're trying to correc the effects of that mistake
[12:36] <gdb> correct*
[12:36] <bakert> the debian libc6 that i foolishly tried to install depends on tzdata.  but i don't actually want to install it.  so i just want to say "don't do that, go back to equilibrium".  but i don't know if that is possible.
[12:36] <mcphail> !info libc6 dapper
[12:36] <ubotu> libc6: GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data. In component main, is required. Version 2.3.6-0ubuntu20 (dapper), package size 4480 kB, installed size 9932 kB
[12:36] <gdb> ok ubuntu20, dpkg truncated the line
[12:36] <gnomefreak> gdb: download the libc6 version for the release at packages.ubuntu.com and try to dpkg -i it
[12:36] <gnomefreak> see if it works
[12:37] <bakert> gnomefreak, good idea!
[12:37] <gnomefreak> or whoever has the issue
[12:37] <gdb> bakert: what gnomefreak said!
[12:37] <mcphail> bakert: just use the command above but with the correct dapper version as per ubotu
[12:37] <gnomefreak> it might not work but its worth a shot.
[12:37] <bakert> mcphail, Unable to find a version "libc6 2.3.6-0ubuntu20" for the package "libc6"
[12:37] <gnomefreak> mcphail: cant use apt
[12:38] <mcphail> gnomefreak: why not?
[12:38] <ketil> so nobody else has a clue why ubuntu has dropped /etc/inittab in favour of /etc/event.d?
[12:38] <gnomefreak> hint cant use apt with wrong libc6 version
[12:38] <gnomefreak> mcphail: libc6 is a main lib apt needs it
[12:38] <jrib> bakert: are teh dapper repos in your sources?
[12:38] <mcphail> gnomefreak: it will still be using the original libc6
[12:38] <gdb> gnomefreak: well, the installed libc6 is correct, so the command should run
[12:38] <bakert> Jram, yes
[12:39] <bakert> jrib, yes
[12:39] <gnomefreak> mcphail: it will use the version he has installed if he has debains installed it wont work
[12:39] <bakert> jrib, i just tried to install this stuff with dpkg
[12:39] <gdb> gnomefreak: dpkg is set to install the debian one, but can't due to dependancy issues.  so the package database is inconsistent
[12:39] <gnomefreak> gdb: can you dpkg -r package
[12:40] <gdb> I dunno, that's a question for bakert
[12:40] <mcphail> bakert: have you apt-get updated prior to running the above command?
[12:40] <un_operateur> gnomefreak, that on libc6 .. ouch
[12:40] <gnomefreak> bakert: has the debians version of libc6 been installed if not try sudo dpkg -r debiansversionlibc6
[12:40] <jrib> bakert: you did  sudo aptitude install libc6=2.3.6-0ubuntu20    ?
[12:41] <gdb> un_operateur: the idea is that no actual software is being uninstalled, this isn't doom and gloom, it's a broken package database, not a broken install
[12:41] <bakert> Yes, I am 90% sure that there's nothing actually installed on my system that is bad.  It is just queueing up so to do.
[12:41] <bakert> I have tried installing the ubuntu .deb for libc6 with dpkg
[12:41] <un_operateur> gdb, but removing (or force-removing ) libc6 is likely to worsen the problem as a lot of the debian packages installed now are likely to depend on the debian libc6
[12:41] <gnomefreak> bakert: try using dpkg -r for the debian package tell me what it says
[12:42] <gdb> un_operateur: no, only 3, one of which he got rid of just fine
[12:42] <bakert> gnomefreak, that's just called "libc6" so it tells me loads of things depend on it.
[12:42] <gnomefreak> un_operateur: nope
[12:42] <bakert> gnomefreak, unless there is some way to refer specifically to the debian one???
[12:42] <gnomefreak> bakert: sudo apt-get -f install  and pastebin the output
[12:43] <gnomefreak> mcphail: cant
[12:43] <crot> bakert: try apt-get install -f libc6/yourDistroName
[12:43] <gnomefreak> no\
[12:43] <bakert> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1290/
[12:43] <gnomefreak> bakert: dont use package name
[12:43] <gdb> dsl?
[12:43] <gdb> damn small linux?
[12:44] <bakert> gdb, ds ONE -- i got the deb from here: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/libc6
[12:44] <bakert> don't ask me what it means!
[12:44] <gdb> oh duh
[12:44] <mcphail> debian security?
[12:44] <gnomefreak> bakert: what does sudo apt-get dist-upgrade do?
[12:45] <bakert> gnomefreak, similar message
[12:45] <bakert> gnomefreak, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1291/
[12:45] <crot> Try doing what I said, bakert
[12:45] <gnomefreak> bakert: did you try dpkg -r linc6-2.3.6.ds1-10
[12:45] <bakert> crot, with "dapper" for "yourDistroName"?
[12:46] <crot> yep
[12:46] <gnomefreak> crot: it wont work with the package name not enough parameters
[12:46] <bakert> gnomefreak, dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove libc6-2.3.6.ds1-10 which isn't installed.
[12:46] <dromer> how can I open a new ftp-account?
[12:46] <capiira> so is that normal that ubuntu need 45secs more after the loadbar becomes empty to reboot the system?
[12:47] <bakert> crot, crot, crot, crot, you may just be a genius -- downloading!!!!!
[12:47] <gnomefreak> bakert: what version of llibc6-dev is installed?
[12:47] <bakert> downgrading!
[12:47] <bakert> hope springs eternal!
[12:47] <bakert> CROT!    JUST in time for my driving lesson too.
[12:49] <gdb> I reboot my machine when a new kernel is released.
[12:49] <mneptok> bakert: i have no problem with same-sex kisses of joy, but the profanity i could do without ;)
[12:49] <gnomefreak> bakert: hint try rebooting to see if it is fixed
[12:49] <bakert> snail, check bluebones.net in the next few days.
[12:49] <dromer> how can I open a new ftp-account for a friend?
[12:49] <snail> capiira: yes
[12:49] <capiira> ah ok
[12:50] <snail> capiira: it's disk write buffered paranoia I believe
[12:50] <capiira> thx :)
[12:50] <gdb> crot: so the command was install libc6/dapper?
[12:50] <snail> capiira: it doesnt' shut down until every possible thing could be completely safe
[12:50] <crot> yeah.
[12:50] <gnomefreak> gdb: apt-get -f install
[12:50] <gdb> hrm cool
[12:50] <gdb> where did you pick up that gem?
[12:50] <dromer> !ftpd
[12:50] <ubotu> FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd
[12:50] <Lynoure> dromer: You already have a ftp server installed and running?
[12:50] <crot> I don't know.
[12:50] <capiira> then the loadbar is just a gif or something like that?
[12:50] <gdb> hehe
[12:50] <dromer> Lynoure: afaik ... not sure though :$
[12:50] <crot> I've been using Debian for like 7 years.
[12:51] <crot> or 6
[12:51] <dromer> Lynoure: on KDE too btw
[12:51] <Lynoure> dromer: if you have not installed one, you do not, they do not come preinstalled.
[12:51] <capiira> a fake loadbar
[12:51] <capiira> hehe
[12:51] <dromer> Lynoure: ok, which is a good one?
[12:51] <bakert> thanks everyone.  i will think before i start chucking the sudos around next time!  got to go learn to drive.  i promise to be more cautious than with my dpkg -i's .. thanks again brilliant!
[12:51] <gdb> I've been using "Debian" (Ubuntu) since 2 weeks before Dapper's release.  I have read a lot about it, though, and ran Debian on a sparc for a few months like 12 years ago.
[12:52] <gdb> bakert: :-D
[12:52] <kenthomson> I had some configuration problems with azureus (for instance it would quit on being started automatically and there was no way to access its interface), so i deleted the ~/.azureus file, and restarted it, now everything is OK (i got back the interface). But when i want to start downloading a torrent that is qued i would (in history) right-click the torrent and select "force start", But NOW there is no option in the right click (context menu) menu to s
[12:52] <kenthomson> elect force start. SO now my question is how do i start downloading s torrent that is qued?
[12:52] <diederick> hi all
[12:52] <deepsa> hi
[12:52] <mneptok> kenthomson: what Azureus rev are you using?
[12:52] <Lynoure> dromer: I do not have a strong opinion on that, sorry
[12:52] <kenthomson> mneptok, "rev" what is hat?
[12:52] <gdb> bakert: And remember, Ubuntu is based on a freeze of Debian unstable.  It's all sucked into Merge-O-Matic every 6 months, stabilized, has Ubuntu value-add thrown in, and then is released as Ubuntu.  It's *not* actually Debian unstable anymore after going through this process. ;-)
[12:53] <kenthomson> mneptok, i have the one in Ubuntu's repos
[12:53] <saharaab> hello i have apb with the refresh rate it's 60hz and icant increase it can u help me?
[12:53] <dromer> Lynoure: but, once I have one (say, profrpd) how do I config it ?
[12:53] <diederick> I've installed ubuntu, and I want to enable dual view. Though in my xorg.conf I can only see one monitor. Is there a way to 'detect' the monitor configuration? (such as the h/vsync?, color depth)
[12:53] <mneptok> kenthomson: ah, this may be the source of your anguish
[12:53] <stefg> kenthomson: the edgy azureus package is awfully broken.
[12:53] <gdb> I wanted to try Debian on my machine here but it won't install without a lot of annoying effort (stable, anyway).
[12:54] <gdb> And with the political situation in Debian now, I don't know *when* another release will come out.
[12:54] <sneakums> gdb: i installed with an etch netinstaller snapshot recently, it was pretty smooth
[12:54] <stefg> kenthomson: overwrite the azureus.jar in /usr/share/java with an azureus.jar from azureus.sf.net
[12:54] <mneptok> kenthomson: and you're missing a "p" in your last name ;)
[12:54] <kenthomson> mneptok, stefg, but till yesterday i was able to right-click a queed torrent and select "force-start" to start downloading it, NOW; where is the option to start downloading a queed torrent? I mean even if it is broken (it worked till yesterday!) there should be an option to start downloading a queed torrent where is it?
[12:55] <gdb> sneakums: this was sarge you installed with an etch installer?  My problem is this machine is a Dell Optiplex GX620 and sarge doesn't like the SATA controller.
[12:55] <kenthomson> mneptok, NO, thats my name, nothing missing :)
[12:55] <Lynoure> dromer: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#FTP_Server should get you started, combined with use of man when needed :)
[12:55] <kenthomson> stefg, is that replacing business safe?
[12:55] <sneakums> gdb: no, i installed etch with the etch installer
[12:55] <gdb> Anyway, I prefer Ubuntu, I just wanted to have a look at the current stable Debian.
[12:55] <gdb> ah
[12:55] <sneakums> well, the current stable debian is not very current alas
[12:55] <gdb> true!  but it was more current 7 months ago than it is now!
[12:55] <crot> But it is rather stable.
[12:55] <mneptok> kenthomson: i would not personally use the repo version of Azureus.
[12:55] <JKoder> Can anyone help me with S-VIDEO on Edgy ?
[12:56] <JKoder> PLease ?
[12:56] <stefg> kenthomson: yes... it's dirty from a procedural point of view, but cleaner than the junk from the edgy repo anyway
[12:56] <kenthomson> mneptok, stefg, still my question went unanswered. Where is the option to start downloading a que-ed torrent?
[12:57] <stefg> kenthomson: you ae basically asking : 'why won't a broken program not work' obvious anser, heh?
[12:57] <prasys000> guys umm i need help with my ATI AC97 Audio
[12:57] <mneptok> kenthomson: in a *mot broken version of Azureus*
[12:57] <VIMmer> hi, how do i check how much ram i have on my machine on ubuntu?
[12:57] <diederick> Is there a way to check which v/hsync I have for my monitors? (maybe using windows?)
[12:58] <prasys000> well i am using dapper 6.10 , and it works out of the box. but now all of a sudden , it has stopped working. Ubuntu shows the device is there
[12:58] <undersound> to VIMmer: use Device Manager
[12:58] <gnomefreak> diederick: google your monitor
[12:58] <kenthomson> stefg, mneptok, so i need to uninstall azureus, go to the sourceforge  website and download a new one?
[12:58] <diederick> gnomefreak: oke
[12:58] <gnomefreak> kenthomson: thats your best bet
[12:58] <stefg> kenthomson: no, leave the azureus .dep installed.
[12:59] <prasys000> so any idea
[12:59] <prasys000> how to fix the sound back
[12:59] <VIMmer> undersound, under what heading will it be?
[12:59] <gdb> prasys000: kick the speaker cord out of the back of the machine?  I'd check that first!  (I've done it before!)
[12:59] <prasys000> it was working fine before the ATI Driver installation [i think]
[12:59] <Lynoure> dromer: But you can ask again if you run into trouble, of course
[12:59] <VIMmer> i cant find it in Device Manager
[12:59] <JKoder> any ideea about S-VIDEO ???
[12:59] <prasys000> gdb, i am on a laptop
[12:59] <stefg> kenthomson: you can use the .desktop and other conffiles from the edgy pack, just overwrite the azureus.jar
[12:59] <mneptok> kenthomson: i would uninstall, install Sun's JRE, use update-alternatives to set the Sun JRE as the default, and then grab the latest Azureus from SF
[12:59] <gdb> ah, well, i guess that's not the issue then :-/
[12:59] <prasys000> i am trying to figure it out what is causing the problem
[01:00] <undersound> system->administration=>device manager
[01:00] <gdb> update-java-alternatives -s sun-java5
[01:00] <VIMmer> undersound, i have got to the Device Manager, wat heading in tat application
[01:00] <gnomefreak> VIMmer: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[01:00] <VIMmer> ??
[01:00] <kenthomson> mneptok, stefg, gnomefreak, If it is really broken what is it doing in the "ok-tested" section of the most current release of world's most popular Linux Distro? Or does this indicate it is a time to go to SUSE? :)
[01:00] <gnomefreak> VIMmer: that commmand will give you how much ram you have
[01:00] <capiira> hmm is there a way to remove the shutdown ubuntu logo ?
[01:00] <jano_> hi.. anybody had any luck playing windows media streamed videos in ubuntu?? (mplayer plugin..)
[01:01] <gnomefreak> VIMmer: top will as well and so will htop if you install it
[01:01] <stefg> mneptok: that's the proper, but most time consuming way. It works to install the azureus-pack from the repos, just replace the bad .jar-file with a working one
[01:01] <VIMmer> gnomefreak, shud i look at the cache size?
[01:01] <crot> Have you installed the non-free codecs, jano_?
[01:01] <linuxero_> hola desde espaa!
[01:01] <mneptok> kenthomson: it was put in there for the sole purpose of forcing you to MS-Linux (SuSe)
[01:01] <gdb> free -m
[01:01] <kenthomson> mneptok, :)
[01:01] <kenthomson> mneptok, "in there", where?
[01:02] <jano_> crot, what package are they in? I installed all the stuff I found in edgy guide...
[01:02] <gnomefreak> VIMmer: its not all that accurate use top
[01:02] <JKoder> it seems i will not get any help here sadly :((
[01:02] <gnomefreak> im looking at it now
[01:02] <mneptok> stefg: AFAIK the GCJ implementation will not work with the latest Azureus
[01:02] <stefg> kenthomson: please put this question the (non-existing) ubuntu Quality assurance team... btw add a rant for OOo packages as well at
[01:02] <mneptok> stefg: QA happily ignores the Universe repo ;)
[01:03] <stefg> mneptok: do your tray icons work in gnome?
[01:03] <capiira> hmmm a way to remove only the shutdown loadbar would be cool too?!?! its not really working anyway and that annoys me..
[01:03] <VIMmer> thx gnomefreak but the thing is that i pluged in a new stick of 256 mb ram, i shud hav 512 mb, its still showing 256 only
[01:03] <gnomefreak> VIMmer: and your pc isnt beeping?
[01:03] <gdb> Welcome to Microsoft Windows Linux XP Professional, the latest Linux from Microsoft.  With Microsoft Linux XP Professional, using your computer has never been easier.  With Microsoft Linux XP Professional, you can watch digital media right on your PC, enjoy the wealth of the Internet, and play your games faster and easier than ever before!  Microsoft Linux XP Professional is the Linux for business, for home, for you life.  Microsoft Linux XP Professional.
[01:03] <VIMmer> so i dont need it to be too accurate
[01:03] <VIMmer> the comp is functioning
[01:03] <snail> gdb: remember Xenix?
[01:03] <gnomefreak> is it beeping
[01:04] <gdb> snail: Yes
[01:04] <VIMmer> i hav 2 256 cards
[01:04] <VIMmer> no it isnt beeping
[01:04] <gdb> hehe
[01:04] <mneptok> stefg: Azureus tray icon?
[01:04] <stefg> mneptok: yes
[01:04] <VIMmer> what i wil do is remove 1 ram n see how much ram the system shows
[01:04] <mneptok> stefg: yup
[01:04] <VIMmer> then i wil know if both sticks r working
[01:05] <stefg> mneptok: strange... couldn't get it to wrk, and google yielded a lots of hits with other people having the same issue
[01:05] <gnomefreak> VIMmer: cat /proc/meminfo
[01:05] <gnomefreak> oh well
[01:05] <gdb> free -m
[01:06] <mneptok> stefg: Ubuntu does what i tell it to. it knows the consequences. ;)
[01:06] <prasys000> thanks for your help anyway guys
[01:07] <prasys000> reloading the kernel modules made it possible again
[01:07] <prasys000> i need to create a link now
[01:07] <jano_> firefox is driving me nuts in xubuntu... when I press ctrl+a (which would normally select all that's in adress bar) it would only jump to the beginnig of adress bar... can I make it normal??
[01:07] <GuerrillaWon> Can someone tell me wha'ts going wrong with this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1293/plain/
[01:07] <GuerrillaWon> I have those files in the correct location so I'm not sure why I'm getting this error.
[01:07] <stefg> !flash | GuerrillaWon
[01:07] <ubotu> GuerrillaWon: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:08] <sneakums> jano_: sounds like the emacs key theme is enabled
[01:08] <stefg> GuerrillaWon: theres flash 9 out... don't bother with 7
[01:08] <GuerrillaWon> Yea it's a problem with nswrapper I think :/
[01:08] <stefg> !flash9 | GuerrillaWon
[01:08] <ubotu> GuerrillaWon: flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[01:08] <GuerrillaWon> !
[01:09] <stefg> !backports
[01:09] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[01:09] <GuerrillaWon> !backports
[01:09] <jano_> sneakums, in other programs it works normally... just firefox...
[01:09] <sneakums> jano_: strange. if you don't mind a hideous workaround, Alt-a may work as select-all.
[01:10] <jano_> sneakums, yes it works :D
[01:10] <jano_> sneakums, thanx
[01:11] <bayziders> Ok I am not sure where to ask this cause it pertains to windows and ubuntu but is there a program like grub but with a nice gui? I'm just re customizing my computer and think it would be a nice touch.
[01:11] <jano_> sneakums, oh and I just found out that the emacs keyboard was selected...
[01:12] <MatthewV> bayziders, there is a program called gfxboot which, while it only works on x86, can do that
[01:12] <stefg> bayziders: errmmm.... yu're talking of a system before it has booted, and want a GUI? for what?
[01:12] <MatthewV> bayziders, search the forums... there are some howtos and themes there
[01:13] <bayziders> MatthwU; Thanks.
[01:13] <Marupa> hey, quick question...I'm trying to play some MP3s, and they're _really_ quiet.  If I play a network stream, that's fine.  But MP3s are very quiet on any MP3 player.  Any ideas?
[01:13] <stefg> bayziders: you can pimp your grub visually, but no point'n'click before boot
[01:13] <mneptok> Marupa: whose codec?
[01:14] <Marupa> I'm currently trying the 'out of the box' xmms.
[01:14] <xerophyte> if you have so many files in a folder how can i delete it .. when  i say rm  * -f its not working is any other way i can remove them ??
[01:14] <crot> What does it say when you do that?
[01:14] <bayziders> Theres no point click grub type thing ='( ?
[01:14] <crot> are you doing that on the contents or on the directory?
[01:14] <stefg> xerophyte: man rm... you're looking for the -r switch and the wildcards
[01:15] <Marupa> none of my MP3s are loud.  Yet music streams are fine.
[01:15] <xerophyte> steelb, thx i am using this for now for x in `ls`; do rm -f $x; done but will read about it
[01:15] <mneptok> xerophyte: it' "rm -f dirname"
[01:15] <mneptok> xerophyte: you have the arguments backwards
[01:16] <Marupa> Any ideas, mneptok?
[01:16] <crot> Marupa: a hearing horn
[01:17] <mneptok> Marupa: i don't use xmms or its codecs.
[01:17] <constrictor> how do you make beagle index thunderbird mail
[01:17] <constrictor> it seems to only find evolution mail
[01:17] <HiP_P> quick question: anyway to install 6.10 over 6.06 without formatting
[01:18] <stefg> !upgrade
[01:18] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[01:18] <igge> hello..
[01:18] <igge> how can I check what options the kernel is compiled with?
[01:19] <stefg> igge: cat /boot/config-`uname -r`
[01:19] <HiP_P> cheers stefg
[01:20] <igge> stefg: thanks!!
[01:20] <mneptok> yay! friday's done!
[01:21] <Ralph> hi
[01:21] <MatthewV> bayziders, if there is, i've never seen it
[01:22] <Ralph> i want to log in into an windows domain controller
[01:22] <MatthewV> bayziders, considering you spend >1s on that screen.. its hardly necessary, besides the fact that keyboard is much quicker
[01:22] <Ralph> i want a ubuntu client for the windows domain
[01:23] <kosmoc> Bonjour, je suis  la recherche d'un logiciel de traduction anglais-> franais sous ubuntu, a existe ?
[01:23] <stefg> !fr
[01:23] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[01:23] <bayziders> but not pimping, lol. Well a gui would be nice the white on black messy worded thing is annooying
[01:23] <Ralph> so how can i transfer al the users to the ubuntu client
[01:23] <ketil> ok, so I solved my issues installing daemontools on ubuntu when inittab is missing: http://ketil.froyn.name/blog
[01:24] <Marupa> can anyone help me set up my logitech mouse to use the extra buttons?  I tried that tutorial, but it didn't work.  It said that 'evdev' wasn't a valid protocol.
[01:24] <burepe> !LAMP
[01:24] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[01:25] <jrib> Marupa: what tutorial?
[01:25] <Marupa> there's one on the ubuntu boards.
[01:25] <jrib> Marupa: there's more than one
[01:25] <Marupa> the one that was for 'MX500, etc'
[01:26] <jrib> Marupa: ok, what did you do exactly and what were the results
[01:27] <Marupa> I did exactly what the tutorial said, and it responded with the 'blue screen' with the error log, in it it said that 'evdev' wasn't a valid protocol.
[01:27] <jrib> Marupa: is xserver-xorg-input-evdev installed?
[01:27] <Marupa> yep
[01:28] <tim167> does w3m allow going to the previous page ? (< back)
[01:28] <jrib> Marupa: what version of ubuntu?
[01:28] <Marupa> 6.10
[01:28] <jrib> Marupa: what mouse do you have?
[01:28] <Marupa> MX 600
[01:29] <jrib> Marupa: k well your tutorial is outdated.  This one is for mx1000, you can translate it over https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MX1000Mouse, or search the forums.  There is a more recent tutorial.  Look for the one that sets up evdev like on the wiki for mx1000
[01:29] <tim167> if not, I'm looking for a webbrowser that is ultra light, but has some basic features like 'history', ...
[01:29] <igge> how do I download the kernel source?
[01:30] <recon> I'm trying to configure sendmail, but I cannot find anywhere to input the SMTP server, user/pass, etc. I've googled but didn't find anything.
[01:30] <jrib> igge: install the linux-source package
[01:30] <bayziders> I wish i could get this dial up modem working on ubuntu so im not stuck in windows until my new isp's modem gets here ='\
[01:30] <jrib> !dialup | bayziders
[01:30] <ubotu> bayziders: You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[01:31] <noobcook> has wine got a Front End?
[01:31] <recon> noobcook: for...what?
[01:31] <recon> noobcook: configuration?
[01:31] <noobcook> gui
[01:32] <noobcook> ive been trying to get wine to run my windows games but its just not happening
[01:32] <tim167> can you advise me a web browser that is -=light=- (like w3m, but a bit more features)
[01:32] <noobcook> i fear i need a gui =p
[01:32] <noobcook> tim167:  try lynx its a text browser
[01:32] <jrib> noobcook: have you checked wine's appdb for your game?
[01:32] <noobcook> jrib: i dont know how to do that
[01:32] <tim167> noobcook: thanks!
[01:32] <jrib> noobcook: go to wine's website and click on appdb
[01:33] <diederick> hi again!
[01:33] <noobcook> i thought i could just "wine appname"
[01:33] <diederick> what does the "option "DPMS" means in xorg.conf? (for screen)
[01:33] <diederick> uhh for monitor that is
[01:33] <Menasim1>
[01:33] <bayziders> man earth link scares me they told me it takes 10 days to activate the dsl line but they didnt tell me what line >> so idk what there doing =/
[01:34] <KristianDK> Afternoon ladies
[01:34] <KristianDK> ^^
[01:36] <deepsa> someone tried having audacious mp3 status in gaim?
[01:37] <bayziders> English?
[01:37] <anubis_> Totem could not play 'mms://wm1-cm.edgestreams.net/12/bc/12bc2f49ab4c64fa4419ad7e304ef075-45467a03.asf?auth=caEbdbsbRcIa7dVdSc4dbaLbHamdfdkcfav-bfP4dl-eS-Iwi=0001'.
[01:37] <burepe> In this command which parts do I replace with my values ?mysql> SET PASSWORD FOR 'root'@'localhost' = PASSWORD('yourpassword');
[01:37] <capiira> anyone know a site that explains how to remove the boot and shutdown splash and restore the text mode? i owuld like to see what my system is doing!
[01:37] <foobar^> :-)
[01:38] <MatthewV> burepe, the 'yourpassword' and 'root' if you are setting it for something other that root
[01:38] <Tomcat_> capiira: Just remove "quiet" and "splash" from /boot/grub/menu.lst from your kernel lines
[01:38] <capiira> this will also remove the shutdown one ?
[01:38] <Tomcat_> capiira: Not absolutely sure, but I guess yes.
[01:38] <KristianDK> burepe -> replace yourpassword ;)
[01:38] <burepe> MatthewV: do I include the ' ?
[01:39] <capiira> let me try
[01:39] <MatthewV> burepe, yes you do
[01:39] <Tomcat_> capiira: You can test by using the "e" key in grub when booting... remove splash and quiet there.
[01:39] <MatthewV> so if your password was  hello
[01:39] <capiira> ahhh let me test
[01:39] <capiira> thx
[01:39] <capiira> brbr
[01:39] <amorphous_> hello again... i'm looking to change the permissions to lock people from changing the toolbar/desktop settings in xubuntu but can't seem to locate/find out the filename that sets it up... ive been searching/desktoping for a bit and am unable to find suitable search criteria to not get thousands of irrelevant desktop/toolbar pages... can anyone help?
[01:39] <MatthewV> burepe, you'd do SET PASSWORD FOR 'root'@'localhost' = PASSWORD('hello');
[01:39] <burepe> MatthewV: thanks
[01:40] <un_operateur> amorphous_, changing the toolbar and desktop settings is the user's prerogative .. why change it? :)
[01:40] <burepe> MatthewV:  I keep getting a syntax error. does localhost use ' ?
[01:41] <MatthewV> burepe, should do, let me try just a moment
[01:41] <tim167> lynx cant open google : Error, Bad Request,    Your client has issued a malformed or illegal request. how come ?
[01:41] <burepe> MatthewV: thanks
[01:42] <MatthewV> burepe, this works for me > SET PASSWORD FOR 'root'@'localhost' = PASSWORD('xxxxx');
[01:42] <MatthewV> where xxxxx is your password
[01:42] <amorphous_> un_operateur, un_operateur
[01:43] <MatthewV> burepe, sry gtg now, so i hope that works for you
[01:43] <burepe> MatthewV: thanks. not sure what I did wrong but now I know what is right. Thanks
[01:43] <un_operateur> amorphous_, yes?
[01:44] <Smotang> What is the filetype for a script that you want to run in command prompt(bash?)
[01:44] <amorphous_> un_operateur, (sorry 'bout that) - it's a few people sharing a machine that can't be logged off (it's in a cafe - behind the bar) but one is malicious & messing bout with the ettings
[01:44] <amorphous_> *settings
[01:44] <noobcook> holomorph
[01:44] <un_operateur> Smotang, err, text file?
[01:44] <Smotang> that would be .txt?
[01:44] <amorphous_> un_operateur, you know the filename?
[01:45] <Smotang> I saved it then tried to run it via doubleclick through the Xwindow filemanager (forgotten the name)
[01:45] <noobcook> anyone know how to install WineTools
[01:45] <noobcook> ?
[01:45] <Smotang> But it did not work, Any idea as to why?
[01:45] <un_operateur> amorphous_, i'm not sure about the name, but i have a feeling it's under the .xfce* directories of the user's homedir
[01:46] <amorphous_> un_operateur, thanks, i'll check it out ;)
[01:46] <Enverex> noobcook, Don't use it
[01:46] <un_operateur> Smotang, you need to have the shebang line at line #1 and the file set to executable
[01:46] <noobcook> Enverex: why?
[01:46] <Smotang> How do I set to executable?
[01:46] <Enverex> noobcook, Because it doesn't work with any "not really old" versions of Wine
[01:46] <noobcook> ah k
[01:46] <Enverex> Erm, this is odd. I've installed HPLIP through Apt-Get but HP's setup utility isn't showing up anywhere in the Gnome Apllications menu. Further more CUPS doesn't seem to notice the HP LaserJet I have attached to my Parallel port. Any ideas?
[01:46] <aldin> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:46] <noobcook> well any ideas how to play warcraft thats already installed on my windows partition?
[01:47] <aldin>   gnome: Depends: gnome-office (= 1:<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[01:47] <un_operateur> Smotang, errm, from within the shell -- chmod u+x file  .. from within the DE .. right, click, properties ...
[01:48] <amorphous_> un_operateur, is there another xfce dir name? i have no xfce (or even close) dir. :?
[01:50] <un_operateur> amorphous_, errm not too sure, used xubuntu a long time ago .. .thunar maybe
[01:50] <amorphous_> un_operateur, is thunar not just the file browser?
[01:50] <amorphous_> un_operateur, 's ok - i'll keep banging my head at it  ;)
[01:51] <Twiztr> How do I make it so that mount /hdb1 runs everytime I log in, or turn the box on, or whatever?
[01:51] <un_operateur> amorphous_, dunno, i thought nautilus was just a file browser on ubuntu -- but apparently it's the DE too
[01:52] <un_operateur> Twiztr, add an entry into /etc/fstab .. man fstab for documentation about this
[01:52] <amorphous_> un_operateur, now there's a thing!!! something new every day!!!
[01:53] <amorphous_> un_operateur, thanks - you helped shift it along a bit - it's under xfce, but inside ~/.config :D
[01:53] <un_operateur> amorphous_, :d .. also you might get better help from the folks in #xubuntu
[01:53] <heehowww> anyone can help me install a sis graphic?
[01:54] <jrib> how can I block connections to a port in firestarter?  It only seems to allow me to "allow" on certain ports.
[01:54] <jrib> never mind, was looking at inbound instead of outbound
[01:55] <Twiztr> I already have an entry for it "/dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1 ntfs noauto,users,exec,ro,umask=0222 0 0" so when I run mount it mnts as the right drive, but I still have to manually type the mount command when I log in.
[01:55] <noobcook> jrib does ubuntu  have a program that can load .mdf and .mds to a fake moint point? a bit like daemon tools?
[01:56] <jrib> hmm, no I do want inbound.  So, if anyone knows how to block certain ports in firestarter, I'm still interested
[01:56] <un_operateur> Twiztr, if /mnt/hdb1 exists .. then you shouldn't have to manually mount the drive
[01:56] <capiira> hmmmm by removing quiet and splash i found out that 17179648.72000 makes my system need 45sec to shutdown :/
[01:57] <capiira> is there a way to find out why?
[01:57] <jrib> noobcook: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ubuntu%20mdf%20mds
[01:57] <noobcook> ty
[01:57] <un_operateur> jrib, i think it depends on the mode you use in firestarter -- permissive-to-restrictive or the other way around -- in the permissive-to-restrictive mode (if thats what it is indeed called) .. the default policy is to block all ports unless you explicitly set a rule
[01:58] <capiira> the last line before the 45sec pause was "171796.48.720000 Restarting System"
[01:58] <Twiztr> Whats a site I can copy code too? like codebin or something?
[01:58] <capiira> other distros dont need that long
[01:58] <jrib> un_operateur: it seems to give me that option for outbound, but for inbound I can't find it.  Is it hidden away somewhere that you know of?
[01:58] <MatthewV> !pastebin > Twiztr
[01:59] <Twiztr> Ok, thnaks
[01:59] <un_operateur> jrib, ahh, no, thats a limitation of firestarter (as far as i am aware) .. it seems to be the classic home user's firewall management utility quite useless otherwise
[02:00] <un_operateur> jrib, i remember wanting to open up ports on firestarter .. couldnt find out how to do it
[02:01] <heehowww> anyone can help me install a sis 741 graphic?
[02:01] <jrib> un_operateur: that would be find if it did block everything by default.  But I am running zope and it seems accessible to everyone, oh well, off to learn iptables.  Thanks for confirming
[02:01] <Twiztr> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1295/ Theres my /etc/fstab file...
[02:01] <Twiztr> Do I need to add something for /dev/hdb1 mnts right?
[02:02] <un_operateur> jrib, i think you might taken the restrictive-to-permissive mode where the default policy is to allow all connections .. and yea, manually doing the iptables is a better way to go
[02:02] <Twiztr> actually... the command I have to use to access is 'mount /mnt/hdb1;'
[02:03] <un_operateur> Twiztr, ahh ntfs drive -- please use !ntfs-3g
[02:03] <un_operateur> !ntfs-3g | Twinxor
[02:03] <ubotu> Twinxor: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[02:04] <un_operateur> oops .. sorry Twinxor .. meant that for Twiztr
[02:05] <un_operateur> Twiztr, also, remove these entries in fstab before going ahead to use ntfs-3g .. they'll confuse mount otherwise
[02:07] <un_operateur> jrib, hmmm, actually, i just installed !firestarter to check this out -- it depends on the policy you edit -- inbound or outbound .. check under the 'policy' tab, there's a drop down menu for  'editing' that allows you to edit either/or
[02:09] <jrib> un_operateur: right, it does let be do restrictive-by-default for outbound.  But when I switch over to inbound (which is what I want to configure), there is not way to change it to restrictive-by-default or permissive-by-default.  So I can only add ports to allow.  If firestarter doesn't block a port by default, then i can't block it
[02:09] <jrib> s/be/me
[02:10] <edgy> Hi, If I installed a dhcp server in two pc's and now connected a third one to them, how can I specify which dchp server to lease an ip from?
[02:11] <un_operateur> jrib, errm, i vaguely remember something like it from an earlier version -- i can't find it either -- but i'm quite positive that it ensures that the default policy is to drop traffic .. you can verify this with  sudo iptables -L
[02:11] <vlt> edgy: You can list the MAC addresses in dhcpd.conf (on the server)
[02:11] <cokeslut> sup
[02:12] <edgy> vlt: if I haven't done so which one would be chosen by default?
[02:12] <diederick> hi all
[02:12] <un_operateur> edgy, is this a case where you have multiple DHCP servers?
[02:12] <diederick> I'm trying to fix my dualview for my gforce 7600GT, with this: http://paste-it.net/931  but its not working.. can someone help me  a bit?
[02:13] <un_operateur> edgy, i read again ... why not just disable the DHCP server on either one of the machines to make you happy
[02:13] <Jowi> edgy, the first dhcp server to respond to the request from the client is the one that the client get the address from. unless you can filter the computers by MAC address and give them a "static" address I guess.
[02:14] <mneptok> edgy: 2 competing DHCP servers on a subnet is a Bad Idea(tm)
[02:14] <Jowi> edgy better to disable one of the dhcp servers
[02:14] <un_operateur> mneptok, not really .. 2 or more DHCP server on the same subnet makes for good redundancy incase one fails
[02:15] <jrib> un_operateur: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1296/  is line 15 telling me the rule is invalid or is that just some rule syntax?
[02:15] <mneptok> un_operateur: a better idea is a fault-tolerant DHCP server on a UPS
[02:16] <un_operateur> jrib, looks like the same on line #38  .. i think it's an option to say, drop all packets which appear to be INVALID
[02:17] <jrib> un_operateur: ok thanks
[02:17] <un_operateur> mneptok, errm, no, a better idea is to have all DHCP servers operational at the same time but sharing information between each other via LDAP or some other database
[02:18] <diederick> does someone here knows how to setup TwinView?
[02:19] <Twiztr> So
[02:19] <Twiztr> ntfs-3g /dev/hdb1 /mnt/d -o silent,umask=0,locale=en_US.utf8
[02:19] <Twiztr> ntfs-3g /dev/hda1 /mnt/c -o silent,umask=0,locale=en_US.utf8
[02:19] <Twiztr> added to my fstab shoud work
[02:19] <un_operateur> Twiztr, this is how mine is set -- /dev/sda1       /media/usb0     ntfs-3g    silent,umask=0,locale=en_GB  0  0
[02:20] <un_operateur> Twiztr, in your case it would be -- /hdb/hdb1       /mnt/hdb1     ntfs-3g    silent,umask=0,locale=en_US.utf8  0  0
[02:20] <deepsa> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 1110:9022 Analog Devices Canada, Ltd (Allied Telesyn)
[02:20] <un_operateur> oops .. make that /dev/hdb1
[02:21] <deepsa> i wanna communicate with this device (router) ^ ^
[02:21] <deepsa> how i do that in ubuntu edgy
[02:21] <un_operateur> deepsa, that device is a router?
[02:21] <noobcook> whats the site for gnome themes again
[02:21] <noobcook> !gnome
[02:21] <ubotu> gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.
[02:21] <deepsa> ya
[02:21] <un_operateur> noobcook, gnome-look.org i think
[02:22] <Jowi> noobcook, art.gnome.org also work
[02:22] <noobcook> k
[02:22] <un_operateur> deepsa, errm, usually you communicate with a router via ethernet and tcp/ip .. what command is giving you that output?
[02:22] <deepsa> lsusb
[02:23] <un_operateur> deepsa, sounds like a USB modem then ... not a router .. what make and model is it?
[02:23] <Jowi> deep, you're sure it is not only an adsl modem?
[02:23] <deepsa> oh ya its adsl modem
[02:23] <un_operateur> deepsa, stop calling it a router then :p
[02:23] <deepsa> :d
[02:24] <un_operateur> deepsa, what make and model #?
[02:24] <deepsa> idk
[02:24] <Jowi> deepsa, try "sudo pppoeconf" and see if it get automatically detected
[02:24] <deepsa> k
[02:25] <deepsa> it said 2 ethernet device found no usb device listed there
[02:26] <Twiztr> Can I watch WinMediaPlayer plugin videos on websites with Firefox, or Konquorer or something?
[02:26] <Jowi> deepsa, is it listed as an ethernet device in there?
[02:26] <atlas95> hello
[02:26] <diederick> When I've got a TFT monitor (2), do I need touse "DFP" or "CRT" in the xorg.conf? (probably "DFP", but this is what I found in my log: http://paste-it.net/932)
[02:26] <deepsa> naw eth0 is lan eth1 is wlan.
[02:26] <Twiztr> Deepsa, my cablemoden is USB, and shows up as a eth dev
[02:26] <un_operateur> Twiztr, sure, install the mozilla-mplayer or totem-mozilla plugins packages
[02:26] <atlas95> I have a problem with my new laptop, it has an intel core 2 duo T5600, 1,83ghz
[02:26] <deepsa> ifconfig?
[02:26] <atlas95> but it doesn't want to turn a it maximum
[02:27] <atlas95> it blocks at 1,33ghz
[02:27] <atlas95> could you help me please
[02:27] <diederick> Someone?
[02:27] <noobcook> how do u install login themes in ubuntu?
[02:28] <un_operateur> deepsa, usually with usb modems, you need to install the drivers .. use the make and model # to google for some linux drivers
[02:28] <deepsa> idk make and model what i do
[02:28] <Jowi> noobcook, launch "sudo gdmsetup" and drag'n'drop the theme into it
[02:28] <un_operateur> noobcook, download a gdm theme you'd like to install -- and use the "gksudo gdmsetup" command
[02:28] <noobcook> ok
[02:29] <deepsa> usb light is on in the modem.
[02:29] <FactTech> Question: What is the exact relationship between Xfce and GNOME? Does Xfce use GNOME libraries and packages?
[02:29] <un_operateur> deepsa, well, that only indicates to you that it has detected a USB connection
[02:30] <deepsa> oh
[02:30] <un_operateur> deepsa, can't you find the model number from the modem .. on the bottom or side of it?
[02:30] <deepsa> its sterlite
[02:31] <un_operateur> FactTech, I think what's common in between the two is that they both use GTK .. I dont think XFCE uses any Gnome/Gnome2 libraries
[02:31] <deepsa> sterlite WA1003A
[02:32] <FactTech> un_operateur Thanks. I'm asking because I registered a bug at launchpad, and it was suggested that I install the 'yelp' package to fix it. 'yelp' has about a dozen GNOME packages that it's dependent on, so I'm worried that installing it will do something bad to Xfce. Is that a legitimate worry?
[02:32] <jrib> FactTech: no, nothing bad should happen.  You can have xfce, gnome, kde etc all together
[02:33] <un_operateur> FactTech, installing gnome or even kde packages on xubuntu shouldnt break anything
[02:33] <Twiztr> gstreamer or xine?
[02:33] <FactTech> jrib, un_operateur: OK, Thanks to both of you. I'll try it and see what happens.
[02:33] <tim167> how can I open a .png image from the terminal ?
[02:33] <jrib> tim167: gnome-open file.png
[02:33] <mneptok> FactTech: it will not break XFCE, but by installing and utilizing the GNOME libraries you'll lose the "it's more lightweight!" aspects of XFCE usage
[02:34] <jrib> tim167: or use your favorite png-viewer
[02:34] <tim167> jrib: is it faster than double clicking it in gnome ?
[02:34] <FactTech> mneptok That's a little of what I was worried about, but it should only use the GNOME libraries when it has to, right?
[02:34] <DesertEagle> good morning all
[02:34] <mneptok> FactTech: correct
[02:34] <FactTech> mneptok OK, Thank you.
[02:34] <jrib> tim167: depends on how fast you type.  gnome-open just opens the same program that would open normally
[02:34] <un_operateur> deepsa, i think this person has instructions on getting your usb modem running -- http://sudharsh.wordpress.com/tag/foss-and-linux/  (search for sterlite)
[02:34] <DesertEagle> am i the only one that can't launch pypanel? it's installed but it keeps saying command not found
[02:34] <mneptok> FactTech: np np. good luck :)
[02:35] <tim167> jrib: than its slow, here, it takes too long for an image to load, i thaught maybe with a smaller viewing program it would be faster
[02:35] <jrib> tim167: sure, just use a different viewer. FOr example, feh
[02:35] <mneptok> DesertEagle: open a terminal and type "sudo updatedb && locate pypanel" (no quotes) and see what files you find
[02:36] <deepsa> un_operateur, he doesnt use usb
[02:36] <tim167> jrib: feh that is? i'll look it up
[02:36] <iote> Hi there, is it normal behavior in ubuntu that when I "chvt 1" then "chvt 7" my X session is restarted?
[02:36] <DesertEagle> mneptok lol i was just updatedb'ing as a matter of fact
[02:36] <jrib> tim167: apt-cache show feh  , if you like what you read:  sudo apt-get install feh  , then try it out:  feh file.png
[02:36] <Jowi> deepsa, do you have a possibility to connect to the modem/router via an ethernet port?
[02:36] <mneptok> DesertEagle: well then, there you go. :)
[02:37] <DesertEagle> mneptok no bin/pypanel though :(
[02:37] <mneptok> DesertEagle: but is there even a pypanel.py?
[02:37] <un_operateur> DesertEagle,  usually if it can be launced it places an executable in one of the $PATH directories .. i'd do this -- dpkg -L pypanel |   grep -i bin
[02:37] <tim167> jrib: installing already ... :-P
[02:37] <DesertEagle> locate pypanel.py returns nothing :(
[02:38] <DesertEagle> am i gonna have to compile it myself? :(
[02:38] <Li`lEndian> Hi, i am getting an fsck error exiting with status 1. its the partition on which i've mounted /home
[02:38] <diederick> hi all... I've installed the latest Ubuntu, with nvidia dirvers... now I want to install beryl.. someone who knows a good howto?
[02:38] <jrib> !beryl | diederick
[02:38] <ubotu> diederick: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[02:38] <un_operateur> deepsa, but he does say "Oh and router=modem in this article" .. and doesnt mention if he uses usb or not
[02:38] <Li`lEndian> but when i try to unmount it for fsck'ng it manually, i get a device busy error
[02:38] <BULLE> diederick: its not so much to install, just install the packages, and start beryl-manager
[02:38] <Li`lEndian> how can i get round the problem?
[02:39] <jrib> DesertEagle: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pypanel/+bug/67337
[02:39] <diederick> really?
[02:39] <diederick> BULLE: which packages?
[02:39] <mneptok> DesertEagle: looking at pypanel, stand by
[02:39] <BULLE> diederick: the beryl ones ?
[02:39] <diederick> sounds logical :D
[02:39] <KristianDK> Hi guys, when i've downloaded kubuntu-desktop, can then uninstall ubuntu-desktop ? ;)
[02:39] <diederick> BULLE: do i need to add a repositor?
[02:39] <un_operateur> KristianDK, sure
[02:39] <jrib> KristianDK: if you want to
[02:40] <BULLE> diederick: yes
[02:40] <BULLE> diederick: all info can be found on the beryl homepage
[02:40] <diederick> BULLE: do you know which one?
[02:40] <KristianDK> jrib - ok :) Thanks
[02:40] <diederick> oke thanx
[02:40] <iote> Hi there, is it normal behavior in ubuntu that when I "chvt 1" then "chvt 7" my X session is restarted?
[02:41] <Li`lEndian> Hello? china? anyone point me out what I can do to fsck a directory which won't unmount even when I startup in recovery mode?
[02:41] <DesertEagle> jrib thanks!
[02:41] <Jowi> deepsa, try "sudo modprobe eagle-usb"
[02:41] <mneptok> DesertEagle: on Edgy pypanel wants me to install python2.5
[02:41] <swarog> hello
[02:41] <DesertEagle> Li'lEndian fsck the device itself?
[02:41] <DesertEagle> mneptok yeah apparently i'll have to install a different version