[18:53] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:53] <ojwb> morning
[19:21] <chilts> morning
[19:35] <mwhudson> morning


[06:44] <triskal> Hey there, anyone alive?
[06:53] <triskal> Anybody ever worked with PPC version of Ubuntu?
[01:57] <sonium> I need some support with module loading, how can I manually set the order of modules beeing loaded? /etc/modules doesn't seem to work


[00:55] <czajkowski> I should not be alllowed to shop
[00:55] <cjohnston> lol
[00:55] <cjohnston> What'd you buy me?
[00:57] <czajkowski> nada
[00:57] <cjohnston> wtf
[00:57] <cjohnston> See the pictures from Monday?
[00:59] <czajkowski> I did
[00:59] <czajkowski> thanks
[01:08] <czajkowski> all packed up to leave
[01:09] <cjohnston> cool
[01:09] <cjohnston> we havent started
[01:10] <cjohnston> gotta pack for cold weather
[01:11] <czajkowski> it was lashing rain today
[01:13] <Pendulum> hiya
[01:13] <czajkowski> it's not meant to rain here!!!!
[01:13] <duanedesign> howdy
[01:15] <czajkowski> evil rain
[01:15] <maco> where?
[01:16] <Pendulum> orlando
[01:16] <maco> its not supposed to rain in florida during hurricane season?
[01:16]  * maco giggles
[01:23] <jcastro> hay cjohnston
[01:23] <jcastro> can you mail me a sanitized version of your irsii config?
[01:31] <cjohnston> ya.. ill do it tomorrow.. putting it on my todo
[02:25] <duanedesign> jcastro: i was putting together a loose 'curriculum' for the different Beginners Team Focus Groups. I was working on Stack Exchange. I was thinking a good start would be:
[02:26] <duanedesign> read the FAQ, read the About, and get a handful of badges
[02:27] <duanedesign> but i can't find the badges. you know what they are, what they require. :P
[02:28] <jcastro> duanedesign: click badges on the top
[02:29] <jcastro> duanedesign: a good way for beginners to help would be to ask good questions
[02:30] <duanedesign> jcastro: good point
[02:30] <duanedesign> jcastro: aha, heh, i found it
[02:31] <duanedesign> big 'ol button at the top of the page :P
[02:32] <jcastro> heh
[03:03] <doctormo> Man this jcastro stack exchange thing is really hard work, I've answered a ton of questions and hardly any of them get voted or set as answered.
[03:13] <jcastro> doctormo: I just linked you up on one
[03:14] <jcastro> doctormo: concentrate on linking to official docs, etc.
[03:14] <jcastro> your answers are like 80% there
[03:14] <jcastro> screenshots also help
[03:15] <doctormo> jcastro: Thanks, waiting to post to 11096, 3 minute limit.
[03:16] <doctormo> Do you get updates for every submitted issue? I see you edit most of the questions I've looked at.
[03:16] <jcastro> what do you mean?
[03:17] <jcastro> oh, you mean a bump?
[03:17] <jcastro> yeah, when someone retags or edits something
[03:17] <jcastro> I usually do that to clear up stuff, fix formatting, etc.
[03:17] <doctormo> Ah damn, because of my delay the answer to go digging in the logs is accepted over running xinput list
[03:17] <jcastro> and it gives the question a natural bump
[03:17] <doctormo> http://askubuntu.com/questions/11096/
[03:18] <doctormo> I'm looking for this link you've sent me, would I see it in my profile?
[03:18] <jcastro> it's ok, he can change it
[03:18] <jcastro> no, I linked up your answer to the kernel update question
[03:19] <jcastro> I didn't know about xinput list
[03:19] <jcastro> +1 from me!
[03:22] <doctormo> :-) I can also tell you how to test if you have touch support
[03:24] <jcastro> remember you can always go back and add more
[03:24] <jcastro> I work on my answers over time
[03:24] <paultag> jcastro, have a second?
[03:25]  * nigelb waves
[03:25] <nigelb> good morning all
[03:26] <doctormo> hey nigelb
[03:27] <nigelb> hola doctormo
[03:28] <doctormo> nigelb: Like my images of wacom hardware?
[03:29] <paultag> doctormo, you forgot mine :'(
[03:29] <doctormo> paultag: I didn't forget, these things take time to make!
[03:30] <paultag> doctormo, :)
[03:31] <paultag> jcastro, let me know when you're back online, man
[03:31] <doctormo> paultag: Although if you post an photo of your tablet, with the exact model number written on the back and the usb-id, you'll make me a happy bunny.
[03:32] <paultag> doctormo, I'll send it off now
[03:32] <jcastro> paultag: YO DAWG
[03:32] <paultag> jcastro, have a quick sec to chat? I won't take up too much time ( I got a ton of stuff to get done )
[03:32] <jcastro> ya
[03:32] <jcastro> anything for an ohioan
[03:32] <paultag> :P
[03:35] <nigelb> doctormo: wait where?
[03:41] <doctormo> nigelb: http://doctormo.org/
[03:46] <paultag> doctormo, you've got mail
[03:46] <doctormo> paultag: Very conny of you
[03:47] <paultag> doctormo, I've got pics of all the stuff that comes in the box. Use what you want, I put a text file in the archive -- it's all public domian, do what you gotta do
[03:47] <doctormo> paultag: fantastic stuff, so what's the usb id of this baby?
[03:47] <paultag> doctormo, good question. Let me pull now
[03:48] <paultag> doctormo, ID 056a:0065 Wacom Co., Ltd Bamboo
[03:48] <nigelb> doctormo: your site is down :/
[03:48] <doctormo> nigelb: It's not, just still blocked from India.
[03:49] <nigelb> doctormo: time to change your hose
[03:49] <nigelb> *host
[03:49] <doctormo> nigelb: Time to change your counties obsession with windows, this is why it's blocked. It's a residential server which sends emails (legitimate emails)
[03:50] <doctormo> So I hear whole ranges of IPs are blocked because of viruses and such
[03:50] <nigelb> doctormo: oh, NEAT!
[03:50] <nigelb> (proxy ftw)
[03:50] <nigelb> doctormo: why the copyright all over the place again?
[03:51] <doctormo> nigelb: No real reason, I just want to make sure that the images I post on wikimedia etc are authoritative and people don't start using these low resolution images.
[03:51] <nigelb> ah, ok
[03:57] <duanedesign> nigel!
[03:58] <nigelb> duane!!
[03:59] <duanedesign> :)
[06:49] <dholbach> good morning!
[07:21] <jono> night, all!
[07:21] <jono> and morning dholbach!
[07:21] <jono> have a great day!
[07:26] <nigelb> morning doctormo
[07:26] <nigelb> err
[07:26] <nigelb> dholbach:
[07:26] <nigelb> (what a tab fail)
[07:27] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[07:27] <nigelb> dholbach: um, is there a blueprint for the team reports app?
[07:28] <dholbach> no
[07:28] <nigelb> notes on how its envisioned to work?
[07:28] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReportsApp
[07:28] <dholbach> it was not discussed at UDS
[07:28] <nigelb> oh, ok, I thought it came up at UDS
[07:29]  * nigelb branches code.
[07:29] <dholbach> it was started half a year before
[07:29] <dholbach> but nhandler and I ran out of time
[07:29] <nigelb> I don't know much of django, but I can take a poke and ask for help when I get stuck
[07:34] <dholbach> I'll update the wiki page in a bit, a new contributor to the app just asked a bunch of questions
[07:34] <nigelb> \o/
[07:35] <nigelb> as long as there's somone to hold hands, I'm ok
[07:51] <dholbach> and I filed a bunch of bugs that should explain what's planned
[07:52] <dholbach> hola dpm
[07:52] <dholbach> dpm, better again?
[07:53] <nigelb> morning dpm :)
[07:53] <nigelb> dpm: ubuflu? :)
[07:53] <dpm> hey dholbach, yeah, more or less
[07:53] <nigelb> dholbach: are you spared from ubuflu this time :? :)
[07:53] <dpm> hi nigelb, yeah, the bad thing is that I got it even before coming back home
[07:54] <nigelb> dpm: oh, yuck, *at* UDS?
[07:54] <dholbach> nigelb, up until now, yes
[07:54] <dpm> yeah, I'm sure the air conditioning did it
[07:55] <nigelb> dholbach: lucky :)
[07:55]  * nigelb hugs dpm
[07:56]  * dpm hugs nigelb :)
[08:16] <nigelb> morning ara, kim0 :)
[08:16] <ara> morning nigelb
[08:20] <dholbach> hey kim0
[08:28] <kim0> dholbach: ara howdy folks :)
[08:28] <kim0> nigelb: o/
[08:35]  * jussi drools... again... http://www.genesi-usa.com/products/smartbook
[08:36] <jussi> they had them at UDS - WANT!!
[08:40] <dpm> morning kim0 and ara
[08:41] <dpm> hey jussi
[08:41] <ara> morning dpm, kim0, jussi
[08:43] <nigelb> jussi: wow.
[08:55] <kim0> jussi: battery life ?!
[08:56] <kim0> CPU 800Mhz, RAM 512M, 16GB storage .. looks like a giant phone :)
[08:57] <kim0> estimated battery life 6 hours
[09:22] <huats> morning
[09:27] <jussi> lol
[09:27] <jussi> that topic reads funny if you omit the ||
[09:27] <jussi> morning huats
[09:28] <huats> morning jussi
[09:28] <jussi> we have to work on Blueprints, LoCo day and jfo's short acting career :P
[10:00] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:00] <kim0> hey
[10:00] <randa> hi czajkowski when are you coming to London then?
[10:00] <randa> :D
[10:01] <czajkowski> Friday
[10:01] <czajkowski> leave orlando today
[10:12] <randa> ;)
[10:12] <randa> but... what time is it in Orlando
[10:13] <czajkowski> 6:12 am
[10:44] <czajkowski> <--- not online for next 24 hours
[14:49] <dholbach> hey jono
[14:50] <jono> hey dholbach
[14:50] <jono> morning all
[14:50] <nigelb> heya jono
[14:51] <jono> hey nigelb
[14:54] <kim0> jono: morning :)
[14:54] <jono> hey kim0
[15:01] <jono> dholbach, kim0, jcastro, dpm team call?
[15:01] <kim0> ready
[15:01] <dpm> hey jono, yeah
[15:01] <jcastro> one sec!
[15:01] <jono> grabbing my head set
[15:01] <jcastro> mumble?
[15:02] <jono> jcastro, yep
[15:04] <jussi> jono: got a min for a quick skype?
[15:04] <jussi> after jcastro of course
[15:04] <jussi> or your team call etc
[15:06] <jono> jussi, I have four hours of calls ahead of me
[15:06] <jussi> oh. well maybe tomorrow then :)
[15:32] <jcastro> 4 hours of calls
[15:33] <nigelb> heh
[15:33] <jcastro> that's like "I have 4 hours of petting great white sharks ahead of me"
[15:33] <nigelb> jcastro: hahaha
[15:39] <duanedesign> hello alll
[15:40] <nigelb> heya duanedesign
[15:40] <duanedesign> the third l is because I am being extra inclusive
[15:40] <duanedesign> :P
[15:41] <duanedesign> ney there nigelb. Im getting a late start
[15:41] <nigelb> yeah, seems like
[15:43] <duanedesign> nigelb: do you know Rohan'shadeslayer'?
[15:44] <nigelb> duanedesign: oh yes :)
[15:45] <duanedesign> nigelb:  he was the first person I met at UDS. We had a great time Sunday night talkiing and eating pizza
[15:45] <Pici> He was on the same flight as I back from UDS
[15:47] <duanedesign> Pici: fromm orlando to U.K.?
[15:47] <Pici> duanedesign: From Orlando to Newark.
[15:48] <Pici> He had a connecting flight, I did not.
[15:49] <duanedesign> ahh
[15:50] <duanedesign> I was all tired and disgruntled from having my flight rerouted way out of the way. I was complaining to Rohan and then he told me how long the flight is from India. :)
[15:50] <nigelb> duanedesign: heh
[15:50] <nigelb> thats an eye opener
[16:14] <dholbach> ok I call it a day
[16:14] <dholbach> let's hope I wake up later tomorrow :)
[16:14] <dholbach> see you!
[16:14] <duanedesign> cya dholbach
[16:14] <jcastro> bai!
[16:16] <dpm> see ya dholbach
[16:16] <dholbach> bye :)
[16:48] <nigelb> who wanted to know about the UDS survey?
[16:48] <nigelb> Just letting ya know that everyone gets it (I just got one)
[16:58] <Pici> nigelb: It was me.
[16:58] <paultag> I got one, too
[16:58] <nigelb> Pici: :)
[16:58] <nigelb> paultag: well, its takes the email from lp I guess.
[16:59] <paultag> yup
[17:06] <dpm> goodbye everyone, have a nice rest of the day!
[17:06] <nigelb> night dpm :)
[17:21] <czajkowski> jono: you're special
[17:21] <jono> czajkowski, lol
[17:21] <nigelb> hrm, wonder what czajkowski is buttering up jono for :p
[17:21] <czajkowski> jono: got your mails but I'm still on vacation, will reply over weekend
[17:21] <czajkowski> jono: also we never got to chat :(
[17:22] <jono> czajkowski, np
[17:22] <czajkowski> nigelb: I dont need to butter jono up
[17:22] <jono> czajkowski, yeah, we can chat on the phone
[17:22] <czajkowski> grand job
[17:22] <czajkowski> free wifi at airport rocks
[17:23] <czajkowski> catching up on mountain of mail
[17:23] <nigelb> czajkowski: heh
[17:26] <Pici> 'yay'
[17:31] <cjohnston> I thought we had 24 hours of no cz<tab>
[17:31] <cjohnston> :-/
[17:31]  * cjohnston hides
[17:31] <czajkowski> not feeling the love buddy!
[17:32] <cjohnston> lol
[17:32] <cjohnston> I bought you tequila!
[17:32] <cjohnston> :-P
[17:32] <nigelb> cjohnston: czajkowski only accepts JD
[17:32] <cjohnston> no... she accepted the tequila
[17:32] <cjohnston> theres proof
[17:32] <cjohnston> lol
[17:32] <Pici> *rimshot*?
[17:32] <czajkowski> I did.. plus the evil chaser
[17:33] <cjohnston> need I remind all?
[17:33] <czajkowski> no
[17:33] <cjohnston> ya.... the tequila I could deal with... the chaser made me want to pule
[17:33] <sense> czajkowski: http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072457032_AvoXD
[17:33] <czajkowski> :)
[17:33] <cjohnston> puke
[17:33] <nigelb> hahaha
[17:34] <czajkowski> sense: if you ever want a career change. you would make a great child minder! you are very good with kids
[17:34] <cjohnston> very true
[17:34] <cjohnston> sense: I heard that you were hurting the next day
[17:34] <sense> thanks
[17:34] <sense> cjohnston: Yeah, my lower legs were very stiff!
[17:34] <AlanBell> http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs024.snc4/33557_451418318802_748753802_5706585_5553772_n.jpg  <- all looks nice and well behaved to me
[17:35] <cjohnston> hehehehe AlanBell
[17:35] <nigelb> czajkowski: lovely!
[17:35] <AlanBell> sense: amazing how easy it is to lipread what czajkowski is saying in that first photo
[17:35] <sense> :)
[17:36] <czajkowski> oi oi :)
[17:36] <nigelb> AlanBell: lol
[17:36] <nigelb> I agree!
[17:36] <cjohnston> hehe: http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072478009_68aaH
[17:37] <sense> Dangerous sword fighter!
[17:37] <cjohnston> lol
[17:37] <nigelb> hah
[17:38] <AlanBell> jussi is also good with kids, and ever eager to pass on important skills to the next generation http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs903.snc4/71601_1552991116197_1577746386_1282221_2376665_n.jpg
[17:38] <nigelb> lol
[17:38] <nigelb> who is the other person (I know Penny) http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072556548_nBRoN
[17:38] <Pici> nigelb: Amber's daughter.
[17:38] <cjohnston> Becca
[17:39] <nigelb> ahhh
[17:39] <nigelb> I had a guess, but I wasn't sure.
[17:39] <nigelb> Most rocking picture of all => http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072566811_mwEcb
[17:39] <nigelb> sense: ^^ ;)
[17:40] <sense> well...
[17:40] <nigelb> paint splatter ++
[17:40] <sense> :)
[17:40] <sense> I'm quite enthusiastic with paint!
[17:41] <cjohnston> There are a couple pictures of Becca from self that I really like... "If you see my Mom on IRC, would you ping her and tell her I'm hungry" and "Ubuntu took my Mommy... who GNU?"
[17:41] <sense> I look remarkably alive at that picture, considering it was at the end of the UDS.
[17:41] <czajkowski> lots of activity on FOSDEM mailing list
[17:41] <sense> cjohnston: I saw those!
[17:41] <sense> Who came up with them.
[17:41] <sense> ?
[17:41] <nigelb> cjohnston: those are on amber's facebook.  I love them
[17:41] <cjohnston> I dunno.. I just remember that we were thinking of things
[17:42] <cjohnston> Or "Mommy replaced me with Jono Bacon"
[17:42] <sense> awww
[17:43] <nigelb> sense, cjohnston: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs095.snc4/36114_1433938322982_1068640102_1291784_291460_n.jpg
[17:44] <cjohnston> yup
[17:44] <sense> :P
[17:45] <AlanBell> CEO rocking the house http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072568435_wqL6w
[17:45] <cjohnston> she was going all night
[17:45] <nigelb> which one's jane?
[17:46] <nigelb> (either way, awesomeness)
[17:46] <cjohnston> Yes
[17:46] <AlanBell> left, dark hair
[17:46] <nigelb> totally rocking
[17:47] <nigelb> http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072083200_BGpQC ==> who's this?
[17:48]  * Pici zooms
[17:48] <cjohnston> lol
[17:48] <Pici> Nametag says Michael Terry.
[17:48] <nigelb> ah
[17:50] <nigelb> \o/ http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072289553_EQjs3
[17:50] <nigelb> hat and tea =  doctormo
[17:52] <nigelb> finally james_w logs into facebook :p
[17:53] <sense> This is what we did with the laser swords: <http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072537662_Jzse6>.
[17:53] <sense> In one sword they were powered by three batteries and there was a resistor in the circuit. Not here!
[17:54] <sense> and more batteries as well, as you can see.
[17:54] <nigelb> wow
[17:54] <sense> Eventually we managed to get three strings of LEDs burning from these batteries.
[17:54] <sense> No LED ever burned through, though.
[17:56] <jcastro> jono: I'm on standy on your ustream if you need informative links
[17:57] <jussi> still havent found anyone with a picture of me in my death suit....
[17:58] <james_w> nigelb, :-)
[17:58] <nigelb> james_w: :D
[17:59] <nigelb> jussi: well, show us, instead of teasing :p
[17:59] <jussi> nigelb: I dont have a picture...
[17:59] <nigelb> jussi: tut tut
[17:59] <jussi> Some people took some pics, but they havent surfaced yet
[18:00] <jono> jcastro, thanks
[18:01] <nigelb> jussi: perhaps the person themselves haven't surfaced yet ;D
[18:01] <jussi> perhaps :D
[18:01] <jcastro> jono: http://askubuntu.com/users/5287/mark-shuttleworth
[18:02] <jcastro> mark's answers to some questions
[18:02] <jcastro> might be good reference
[18:04]  * nigelb waves to JFo
[18:04]  * JFo waves to nigelb
[18:05] <AlanBell> that ustream chat thing is *rubbish*
[18:05] <jcastro> yeah
[18:06] <sense> AlanBell: You can chat on IRC!
[18:06] <sense> They're using an IRC server as the backend.
[18:07] <sense> chat.ustream.tv #at-home-with-jono8350
[18:10] <nigelb> Pici: where art thou in the pictures?
[18:10] <Pici> nigelb: Theres the side of my head in one of the photos of Pen
[18:11] <JFo> there are entirely too many pictures of me
[18:11] <cjohnston> I didn't find any of me!
[18:11] <duanedesign> the only one of me is a blur as I run by on my way to catch my flight
[18:11] <nigelb> http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072494123_4ps5B
[18:11] <nigelb> Pici: ^^ ? :)
[18:11] <Pici> nigelb: Yes ;)
[18:12] <nigelb> JFo: you're far too famous :D
[18:12] <JFo> apparently
[18:12] <JFo> :-/
[18:12] <cjohnston> JFo: maybe you shouldn't have been on stage... the entire time lol
[18:12] <JFo> cjohnston, I wasn't
[18:12] <JFo> I don't think :)
[18:12] <nigelb> JFo: wasn't it you that caused the accident in front of your house while sunbathing?  I just never got a chance to chat :-/
[18:14] <nigelb> truely dedicated photographer :) http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072502697_6ZBvW
[18:14] <cjohnston> Oh well.. lol... I'm sure I'll see you again somewhere
[18:15] <JFo> cjohnston, true
[18:16] <JFo> nigelb, that is kate, the new release manager
[18:16]  * nigelb blinks.
[18:17] <nigelb> that's like awesomeness!
[18:17] <JFo> heh
[18:17] <JFo> she is here at Linux Plumbers also
[18:18] <nigelb> I guess a whole bunch of platform folks are there
[18:22] <JFo> mostly distro kernel team
[18:22] <JFo> some hardware enablement
[18:22] <nigelb> linaro folks too I guess?
[18:23] <JFo> yeah, a few
[18:28] <cjohnston> just a few?
[18:28] <cjohnston> lol
[18:29] <JFo> surprisingly yes :)
[18:29] <JFo> not as many as I expected
[18:29] <cjohnston> seemed like a bunch.. or atleast a bunch who were interested
[18:29] <JFo> oh tons of people were interested
[18:29] <JFo> but the space is limited to 300 ppl total
[18:29] <nigelb> is the structure like uds or more like a normal conf?
[18:30] <JFo> actually really like a mix
[18:30] <JFo> there are 3 rooms
[18:30] <JFo> and there are several miniconfs happening
[18:30] <JFo> like a Boot and init session for 2 hours this morning
[18:30] <JFo> and a Power management session lasting about the same
[18:30] <JFo> as well as a realtime one
[18:31] <sense> AlanBell, czajkowski, jono: I'm working on a reorganisation proposal for Ubuntu NL's structure. Is there somewhere an overview of the different/recommended ways to run a (local) community? Or any chapter in the Art of the C?
[18:31] <JFo> and a desktop one
[18:31] <JFo> with one room having a series of smaller talks
[18:31] <JFo> all very interesting stuff
[18:31] <nigelb> ok, time-machine required.
[18:31] <JFo> indeed
[18:44] <dantalizing> woot for my adorable little guy!
[18:49] <cjohnston> he is really cute dantalizing... and huge!
[18:58] <nigelb> dantalizing: indeed, very adorable :)
[19:35] <Pendulum> hiya
[19:35] <nigelb> Pendulum: back home safely? :)
[19:35] <Pendulum> yes
[19:35]  * Pici waves
[19:35] <Pendulum> with ubuflu
[19:35] <Pendulum> hi Pici
[19:36] <AlanBell> hi Pendulum, glad you had time to enjoy disney before the ubuflu
[19:37] <duanedesign> hello Pendulum
[19:38] <Pendulum> hiya duanedesign
[19:40] <nigelb> \o/ ubuflu
[19:41] <nigelb> haha
[19:42] <nigelb> "CFO asks his CEO, "What happens if we invest in developing our people and then they leave the company?" CEO answers, 'What happens if we don't, and they stay?"
[19:43] <jcastro> hah
[19:43] <paultag> nigelb, then you work at Microsoft
[19:45] <nigelb> paultag: haha
[19:45]  * nigelb yawns
[19:45] <nigelb> 1 am is such unholy hour for documentation :/
[19:50] <sense> Some awareness is missing in the Ubuntu NL community; people started to make women-jokes in the forum topic someone opened about the 5% mark of women in Ubuntu Members and when I said something about it a guy asked me from what planet I come...
[19:51] <paultag> sense, fun!
[19:51] <Pici> Thats unfortunate.
[19:51] <sense> Yeah, jokes about the fact that women cannot change gear properly are really funny! Sigh...
[19:52] <paultag> sense, I'm willing to bet my sister or my father's girlfriend could kick their ass racing a car, or even just shifting a manual transmission
[19:52] <sense> Some people at the forums would not believe that because they've seen one girl screwing that up.
[19:53] <sense> and they explain it by saying that women are generally bad at technology. :S
[19:53] <paultag> sense, One of them is a pro auto racer, she races a Porsche
[19:53] <paultag> so.. yeah.
[19:53] <sense> :)
[19:53] <paultag> She can beat me racing, that's for sure :)
[19:54] <nigelb> Porsche - drool.
[19:55] <sense> She's probably much more accomplished than those sad boys from the forum.
[20:00] <nigelb> paultag: ok, looks like I can count you in to co-author 'Theurapetic effects of coding for geeks'
[20:00] <paultag> nigelb, Sure can :)
[21:01] <JanC> sense: considering that almost all cars in Europa have manual transmissions, and most women can drive cars here, I think we can conclude that most women can use them...  discussion closed  :P
[21:31] <sense> JanC: +!
[21:31] <sense> and with that I say good evening to you all!
[23:03] <cjohnston> jcastro: ping
[23:23] <Pendulum> hiya cjohnston
[23:53] <cjohnston> hey Pendulum
[23:54] <cjohnston> i see you made it home
[23:54] <Pendulum> yes
[23:54] <Pendulum> how are y'all?
[23:54] <cjohnston> packing
[23:54] <Pendulum> :)
[23:56] <cjohnston> how was the trip back
[23:57] <Pendulum> ok
[23:57] <Pendulum> i'm sad to be gone :(


[21:06] <krytarik> Eickmeyer: https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntustudio/tree/STRUCTURE#n13 - you want to remove 'publishing' from here though, and revert what you did instead.
[22:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> krytarik: Ack, thanks. Seeds are weird.


[09:57] <mup> Bug #1438606 was opened: Releasing node not transitioned to "Failed releasing" <twisted> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438606>
[11:57] <mup> Bug #1438652 was opened: Wrong spacing in the display of the "machine output" <ui> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438652>
[16:10] <mup> Bug #1438766 was opened: ConfigurationFile class creates file locks in directories where it may not have permissions <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438766>
[16:10] <mup> Bug #1438767 was opened: Metadata request fails with exceptions.TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'mimetype' <vivid> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438767>
[16:10] <mup> Bug #1438769 was opened: pxeconfig generates too much locking <isolation-level> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438769>
[16:22] <mup> Bug #1438767 changed: Metadata request fails with exceptions.TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'mimetype' <vivid> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438767>
[16:52] <mup> Bug #1438780 was opened: ConfigurationFile class does not preserve comments in config files <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438780>
[16:52] <mup> Bug #1438782 was opened: Apache2 restart needed after upgrading to 1.8a9 <landscape> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438782>
[16:52] <mup> Bug #1438790 was opened: 1.8a9: Link from zone to filtered node page doesn't work <landscape> <ui> <MAAS:Triaged by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438790>
[17:22] <mup> Bug #1438808 was opened: 1.8a9: Network table on node details page is mis-aligned <landscape> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438808>
[18:28] <mup> Bug #1383384 changed: Commissioning now requires an IP address to be available for each network interface on a network MAAS manages <MAAS:Fix Released> <MAAS 1.7:Fix Released by jason-hobbs> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1383384>
[18:28] <mup> Bug #1396484 changed: MAAS's apache2 segfaulting when loading Clusters tab <crash> <segfault> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1396484>
[18:28] <mup> Bug #1417995 changed: Need updating to new syslinux-common/pxelinux packages <MAAS:Fix Released by andreserl> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1417995>
[18:34] <mup> Bug #1383384 was opened: Commissioning now requires an IP address to be available for each network interface on a network MAAS manages <MAAS:Fix Released> <MAAS 1.7:Fix Released by jason-hobbs> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1383384>
[18:34] <mup> Bug #1396484 was opened: MAAS's apache2 segfaulting when loading Clusters tab <crash> <segfault> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1396484>
[18:34] <mup> Bug #1417995 was opened: Need updating to new syslinux-common/pxelinux packages <MAAS:Fix Released by andreserl> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1417995>
[18:40] <mup> Bug #1383384 changed: Commissioning now requires an IP address to be available for each network interface on a network MAAS manages <MAAS:Fix Released> <MAAS 1.7:Fix Released by jason-hobbs> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1383384>
[18:40] <mup> Bug #1396484 changed: MAAS's apache2 segfaulting when loading Clusters tab <crash> <segfault> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1396484>
[18:40] <mup> Bug #1417995 changed: Need updating to new syslinux-common/pxelinux packages <MAAS:Fix Released by andreserl> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1417995>
[18:40] <mup> Bug #1438842 was opened: Cannot add an extra NIC <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438842>
[18:46] <mup> Bug #1438842 changed: Cannot add an extra NIC <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438842>
[18:59] <mup> Bug #1438842 was opened: Cannot add an extra NIC <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438842>
[19:11] <mup> Bug #1438846 was opened: cannot modify tags on a storage device on the node details page <ui> <MAAS:Triaged by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438846>
[19:11] <mup> Bug #1438848 was opened: cannot modify node tags on the node details page <ui> <MAAS:Triaged by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438848>
[19:11] <mup> Bug #1438855 was opened: Filtering by zones does not work <landscape> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438855>
[19:53] <nocker> hi
[19:54] <nocker> I have extended the django web app to be able to manage (create/update/delete) tags.
[19:54] <nocker> also added the option to add/change tags of a server in the edit view
[19:55] <nocker> I'm a little bit lost in how to contribute to add this to the project
[20:11] <mup> Bug #1438885 was opened: Inconsistent labelling for "add hardware" form fields  <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438885>
[21:17] <mup> Bug #984116 changed: MAAS does not summarise retired nodes on home page <dashboard> <trivial> <ui> <ux> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/984116>
[21:17] <mup> Bug #1238444 changed: It's hard to know when a cluster is pending <notifications> <ui> <ux> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1238444>
[21:17] <mup> Bug #1438855 changed: Filtering by zones does not work <landscape> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438855>
[22:41] <mup> Bug #1438853 was opened: [Anders-2]Ubuntu 15.04: Kernel panic seen during installation <kernel-key> <regression-update> <vivid> <linux (Ubuntu):In Progress
[22:41] <mup> by jsalisbury> <maas (Ubuntu):New> <linux (Ubuntu Vivid):In Progress by jsalisbury> <maas (Ubuntu Vivid):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438853>


[11:42] <tony-smlr> SMLR E149 Live now Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXADsfRZvmk Audio: http://live.smlr.us:8000/streaming
[13:41] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:42] <cmaloney> btw: FIL came home last night. They think it was a pinched nerve. Considering what he ate that day I'm thinking it's more busted gut.
[13:48] <_stink_> hah, gross.
[13:51] <brousch> gut so busted it pinched a nerve
[20:10] <derekv> recursion? what's recursion? http://images4.static-bluray.com/reviews/1526_2.jpg


[09:27] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:49] <yofel> clivejo: if you need a server for packaging I could help you
[12:15] <soee> i like Vivaldi browser more and more http://wstaw.org/m/2015/10/17/snapshot33.png
[12:15] <soee> customized, it looks and works cool
[12:20] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:35] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[12:38] <BluesKaj> hey soee
[20:31] <valorie> vivaldi has a good name
[21:00] <soee> Interesting: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LibreOffice-Notebook-Bar
[22:08] <ahoneybun> Final!
[22:09] <ahoneybun> soee: mm I don't like it
[22:09] <soee> ahoneybun: what exactly ? )
[22:09] <ahoneybun> we'll I can't really see very well in that picture anyway
[22:10] <ahoneybun> I kinda like the Ribben thing MO has going on
[22:10] <soee> ahoneybun: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/f/f5/Notebookbar-writer.png
[22:10] <ahoneybun> every other office suite I've used is so odd
[22:10] <ahoneybun> that does feel like Ribbin to me
[22:11] <ahoneybun> *Ribbon
[22:12] <ahoneybun> my dislike may be towards Impress
[22:12] <soee> well lets wait and see when they finish how it will look/work
[22:17] <ahoneybun> true
[22:17] <valorie> I wish there was more work on Calligra
[22:18] <valorie> LO is just barely good enough
[22:18] <valorie> Calligra should shine
[22:20] <ahoneybun> barely?
[22:21]  * ahoneybun really likes LO
[22:21] <valorie> I mostly stick with Kate
[22:21] <valorie> unless I need to bold things, etc.
[22:28] <soee> well i don't know why but LO is more "friendly" for me than Calligra
[22:28] <soee> calligra has strange interface, can't get used to it
[22:33] <ahoneybun> same
[22:34] <yofel> LO is more classic. Calligra isn't much different from a current MS Office
[23:08] <sgclark> I am ashamed to say I have not even tried calligra. I probably should. Though the only thing I use office for anymore is my resume hah
[23:10] <sgclark> if either of them could get better online cloud type support I suspect they would come out the  winner.
[23:10] <sgclark> and mobile of course. LO is a bit ahead there
[23:13] <tsimonq2> is Calligra an office suite? If so, I just use LibreOffice
[23:13] <tsimonq2> (sorry) :)
[23:19] <sgclark> yeah it is, it used to be koffice
[23:19] <sgclark> it died for awhile but there are is some exciting stuff going on there now.
[23:19] <sgclark> Krita for one is a gem


[00:03] <jdong> jelmer: interestingly, the crash did not happen with svn 1.4.6 and the patch.
[00:03] <jdong> jelmer: it seems 1.5.x specific for some reason.
[00:04] <jdong> anyway, I'm too tired to investigate more carefully, I'll just leave it at its pseudo working state :D
[00:37] <james_w> jam: thanks for looking in to the cherrypick issue.
[02:05] <jdong> silly question, but will bzr reconcile ever be faster?
[02:32] <jdong> jelmer: is there a straightforward way for determining what bzr rev matches a svn rev?
[02:32] <jdong> other than grepping both logs
[03:16] <jelmer> jdong: There is a svn: revision specifier
[03:16] <jelmer> that allows you to get from svn to bzr revision
[03:16] <jelmer> that will only work against a native svn branch though
[03:16] <jelmer> as there is no one-to-one mapping in other cases
[03:21] <jdong> jelmer: ok, cool I'll take a look at that
[03:50] <kgoetz> hi all. i asked this in #ubuntu-doc, but i was pointed here. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository#head-7349bc14cd12ae1087537a239427a70a4d73295d talks about setting up a shared repository for checkout histories. i'm wondering if theres a way i can check my 3 docs checkouts (edu/kubuntu/ubuntu) are shared or not
[03:50] <jdong> kgoetz: cd into your branch, type "bzr info"
[03:50] <jdong>   shared repository: /home/jdong/src/rockbox
[03:50] <jdong> ^^ you'll see a line like that if it's shared
[03:52] <jdong> kgoetz: and you should probably omit the --format argument too; the new default pack format is more efficient and faster over network
[03:52] <kgoetz> jdong: thanks a lot! "Shared repository with trees (format: dirstate-with-subtree)"
[03:52] <jdong> cool
[03:52] <kgoetz> jdong: i setup the repo months ago, but i've only just come back to it.
[03:52] <jdong> ah
[03:52] <jdong> consider upgrading to the packs format for space savings
[03:53] <jdong> and consider telling the same to doc team :)
[03:53] <kgoetz> ok :)
[03:53] <jdong> I'm quite sure you remember how painful it was to branch the first time :)
[03:53] <kgoetz> i'll check on bzr's site to see if i can find instructions
[03:54] <kgoetz> yes i do *g*
[03:56] <james_w> kgoetz: if you don't have a "shared repository:" then I think they may not be shared.
[03:56] <james_w> Although it would be odd to say "Shared repository" if it didn't mean shared.
[03:57] <james_w> Ah, the code is sensible after all :(
[03:58] <james_w> I was wrong, you get "Unshared repository" if not, so it should be fine.
[03:59] <jdong> ah, the forward thinking of bzr is just simply astonishing at times
[04:01] <james_w> yeah, and yet again it makes me look like a fool.
[04:21] <clynetic> I need a pointer to any docs that will show a noob how to setup and use PQM.
[04:44] <abentley> james_w: The "info" code was a rat's nest.  I've cleaned it up somewhat, but there's still plenty left to do, especially in the test cases.
[04:46] <beuno> kgoetz, http://beuno.com.ar/archives/48  (instructions to upgrade your branches)
[04:46] <kgoetz> beuno: thanks.
[04:46] <beuno> I'm off to bed now, it's too close to 6am
[04:47] <kgoetz> later mate
[04:47] <beuno> kgoetz, np. Upgrade them in Launchpad too if you host them there (upgrade them with sftp)
[05:08] <jdong> kgoetz: remember that packs are only compatible with bzr 0.92 or above (though they're a very very good reason why everyone should upgrade to said versions)
[05:49] <kgoetz> jdong: ok. theres always a catch :|
[05:50] <jdong> kgoetz: well... it's not much of a catch. IMO anyone using an earlier version of bzr is seriously missing out
[05:50] <jdong> kgoetz: I mean, in many of my branches you're talking about a 10x to 20x increase in branching speed by switching to packs
[05:50] <jdong> to ask someone to upgrade to a newer bzr is not at all unreasonable
[05:51] <kgoetz> sounds like installing 1.1 was a good call *heh*
[05:51] <jdong> not to mention the bzr team provides great methods for doing so on nearly all platforms
[05:52] <kgoetz> mmm.
[10:21] <lifeless> beuno: pong
[13:39] <beuno> lifeless, was in doubt on how to implement a change you requested, but I figured it out eventually. Sent the patch to the list  :D
[14:48] <mohbana> hello guys
[14:49] <mohbana> is it possible to use bazaar with eclipse
[14:50] <clynetic> I haven't tried this yet, but here's info about the eclipse plugin.
[14:50] <clynetic> http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrEclipse?highlight=%28eclipse%29
[14:58] <elijah> 404: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.1.2/en/release-notes/NEWS.html
[14:58] <elijah> (That's the top link from http://bazaar-vcs.org/news#1.0released)
[15:05] <james_w> elijah: yes, there is a symlink missing on the server. Thanks for telling us about it though. Hopefully someone with access will fix it soon.
[16:37] <Bloguero__Connor> Hello, how do I go back to the version x of my code. Lets suppose I commited 7 times.  How do I do that?
[16:38] <beuno> Bloguero__Connor, bzr revert -r 4
[16:38] <Bloguero__Connor> gracias!
[16:38] <beuno> Bloguero__Connor, ;)
[16:39] <lifeless> later
[16:42] <jdong> lifeless: why doesn't bzr pack remove all obsolete_packs at the end of its run?
[16:42] <jdong> it seems like a logical time to do it
[16:43] <jdong> [jdong@jdong:src/rockbox]$ du -sh .bzr/repository/*packs
[16:43] <jdong> 130M    .bzr/repository/obsolete_packs
[16:43] <jdong> 112M    .bzr/repository/packs
[16:43] <jdong> kinda silly after a pack the repository size doubles
[16:50] <beuno> jdong, fun discussion about it in: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar/2008q1/036719.html
[16:53] <jdong> beuno: interesting.... thanks for the info, though reading it didn't give me a satisfied happy ending
[16:54] <beuno> jdong, me neither  :p
[16:54] <jdong> beuno: all I see is "bzr help pack" tells me it recompresses packs to save me disk space, and du -sh tells me my repository size *doubled* after running it
[16:55] <jdong> we could change it to say "reorganizes packs to save disk space 5 commits later" but that sounds silly :)
[16:55] <LarstiQ> log(n) commits later?
[16:55] <beuno> jdong, yeap yeap, I upgraded ~200 repos and maxed out my servers harddrive
[16:55] <beuno> was fun
[16:55] <beuno> than had to script something that would check the repo and delete them
[16:56] <beuno> LarstiQ, hey  :D
[16:56] <beuno> there should be a
[16:56] <beuno> an option to remove them automagically
[17:55] <ubotu> New bug: #197356 in bzr-svn "Branches created in svn don't seem related in bzr" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197356
[17:56] <Lo-lan-do> Hey, this one is mine!
[18:58] <gnumarcelo> Hi guys! Anybody here are using any bazaar plugin for Eclipse ide?
[19:01] <james_w> Lo-lan-do: yeah, sorry it took so long to forward it.
[19:01] <james_w> gnumarcelo: I think there are a couple of people
[19:01] <james_w> gnumarcelo: Verterok is the developer.
[19:06] <gnumarcelo> I'm planning use Bzr in my new project but i saw that plugin for eclipde is alpha version...I d'like to know if it is usable now
[19:06] <gnumarcelo> im sorry, im not speak english
[19:45] <Keybuk> what's the easy command to revert to a previous revision in the current branch?
[19:46] <andrea-bs> bzr revert
[19:48] <Keybuk> example?
[19:48] <andrea-bs> bzr revert -r6
[19:48] <Keybuk> oh, that easy
[19:48] <beuno> Keybuk, "bzr revert" will revert to the last revision, or you can do "bzr revert -r revno"
[19:48] <andrea-bs> it reverts the branch to the revision 6
[19:49] <Keybuk> oh, easy then
[19:49] <beuno> yeap. or bzr uncommit if you want to remove all metadata for that commit
[19:53] <scorpioxy> hey guys, if i have a a couple of standalone branches, would an init-repo after they are created have any effect on their storage optimization? Or does it only work before branch creation?
[19:54] <beuno> scorpioxy, I would say itwon't affect them at all
[19:54] <beuno> I'm not sure if you can re-convert them to be shared without re-branching
[19:54] <james_w> scorpioxy: you can make them use the storage by branching them to a temp dir in the shared repo, and then renaming.
[19:55] <james_w> scorpioxy: or directly in to the shared repo if you don't create it in the directory that contains the branches.
[19:57] <scorpioxy> james_w: aha, so creating a shared-repo and then branching from into it....and so, is are we still limited by one level of ancestry for branches and shared repos? I remember that there was a discussion about that some time ago.
[19:58] <james_w> scorpioxy: what do you mean by one level of ancestory?
[20:00] <scorpioxy> james_w: i mean any branches that want to use the shared-repo have to be first level children...as in just one ".."(single directory up)
[20:01] <james_w> scorpioxy: no, they will search down directories and stop at the first .bzr (pretty much).
[20:02] <Keybuk> and second silly question of the day
[20:02] <scorpioxy> james_w: you mean search up, don't you? shared-repo would be be parent
[20:02] <Keybuk> how do I push new tags to another branch? :)
[20:04] <james_w> scorpioxy: up/down, it depends whether you are standing on your head :-)
[20:04] <james_w> Keybuk: I think you just do it with a push
[20:04] <Keybuk> james_w: that says "No new revisions to push."
[20:05] <james_w> Keybuk: however I think there is a bug report about not pushing tags if there are no new revisions, just new tags.
[20:05] <james_w> Keybuk: ah, yeah, that sounds like the bug.
[20:05] <scorpioxy> yes, there is a bug report about that
[20:06] <scorpioxy> james_w: :) i remember earlier that the shared-repo was only supposed to be one directory up from any branches in this repo...i guess that was changed..
[20:07] <scorpioxy> james_w: well, i'll give it a try, thanks for the help
[20:07] <scorpioxy> beuno: thanks for the help too
[20:07] <james_w> scorpioxy: no problem.
[20:08] <beuno> scorpioxy, :D
[20:17] <jdong> jelmer: what do you think about ancestry between bzr-svn and launchpad vcs-imports?
[20:18] <jdong> it'd be nice if they recognized each other
[20:18] <jelmer> jdong: There has been talk about that a year or so ago
[20:57] <jelmer> jdong: We may end up discussing it again this sprint
[20:57] <jelmer> jdong: but it's really all up to the launchpad folks to decide they want to use the same mappings and revision ids as bzr-svn
[20:57] <jelmer> it would also involve trashing all existing imports...
[20:58] <kosipov> hi
[21:03] <beuno> hello kosipov
[21:12] <kosipov> beuno: is there a gui tool you would recommend for browsing change history with bazaar?
[21:13] <beuno> kosipov, have you tried bzr-gtk?
[21:15] <kosipov> beuno: yes, and qt. I am having a very long history here, > 3000 revisions, and both are quire slow
[21:15] <kosipov> quite
[21:15] <jelmer> kosipov: Even newer versions of bzr-gtk?
[21:15] <jelmer> kosipov: It loads up a 26k revision tree in a couple of seconds here
[21:16] <kosipov> jelmer: hm.. maybe a bug in the way we imported our revision history here
[21:16] <kosipov> takes about 2 to 5 minutes
[21:17] <jelmer> the way you imported your history shouldn't matter
[21:17] <kosipov> jelmer: I believe I have the latest version here
[21:17] <jelmer> And you're just running "bzr viz" ?
[21:17] <jelmer> kosipov: the one from bzr-gtk trunk?
[21:17] <kosipov> is there a way to find out the total number of revisions?
[21:18] <kosipov> jelmer: yes, I just bzr branched it
[21:18] <jelmer> "bzr revno" should print it
[21:18] <jelmer> (the number of revisions on mainline)
[21:18] <kosipov> this is very strange then
[21:18] <kosipov> kostja@dipika:~/mysql-5.1-runtime$ bzr revno
[21:18] <kosipov> 2624
[21:18]  * kosipov . o O (why does it take so much time?)
[21:19] <kosipov> jelmer: hm... mainline we actually have very heavy branching
[21:19] <jelmer> kosipov: bzr info should be able to print the total number of revisions
[21:20] <beuno> kosipov, there is also a very-alpha WX-based tool: https://code.launchpad.net/wildcat-bzr
[21:20] <beuno> what OS are you on?
[21:21] <kosipov> ubunty gutsy
[21:21] <kosipov> ubuntu
[21:21] <kosipov> hm...
[21:21] <kosipov> interesting...
[21:21] <kosipov> I started bzr info --verboze and it took 20 secs for it to finish
[21:21] <beuno> kosipov, I'm on gutsy too and I can navegate _much_ bigger projects very quickly
[21:21] <kosipov> Branch history:
[21:21] <kosipov>       2624 revisions
[21:21] <kosipov>        871 committers
[21:21] <kosipov>       2770 days old
[21:21] <kosipov>    first revision: Mon 2000-07-31 21:10:05 +0200
[21:22] <kosipov>   latest revision: Wed 2008-01-16 01:17:05 +0300
[21:22] <beuno> what version of bzr are you using?
[21:22] <kosipov> Repository:
[21:22] <kosipov>      51009 revisions
[21:22] <kosipov>     596938 KiB
[21:22] <kosipov> 1.2
[21:22] <kosipov> so is above big enough?
[21:22] <beuno> jelmer, looks pretty big to me  :p
[21:23] <kosipov> ok, then this is expected I think
[21:23] <kosipov> I was just wondering
[21:23] <beuno> kosipov, not sure if it's expected, would be nice if we could look into it a bit
[21:23] <kosipov> good thing is that when it finally started it works with ok performance
[21:24] <beuno> kosipov, can you run bzr info again
[21:24] <beuno> and paste out what repository format you have?
[21:24] <kosipov> it's the latest
[21:24] <kosipov> second
[21:24] <beuno> you might be using an old version instead of the new one optimized for speed (packs-0.92)
[21:25] <kosipov> or is it not:
[21:25] <kosipov> Format:
[21:25] <kosipov>        control: Meta directory format 1
[21:25] <kosipov>         branch: Branch format 6
[21:25] <kosipov>     repository: Packs containing knits without subtree support
[21:25] <kosipov> okay, then the question is how do I change the format?
[21:25] <kosipov> and also, if I create a branch, does it preserve the old format?
[21:25] <kosipov> it seems it's not
[21:26] <beuno> kosipov, your repo seems fine
[21:26] <kosipov> but working with the branch wasn't too fast either.
[21:26] <beuno> kosipov, yes, it does
[21:27] <beuno> kosipov, can you file a bug with this information, noting it's too slow?
[21:27] <j1mc> hi all.  i'm having a problem where when i've changed my local branch of a repo, and someone else has committed changes on the server.  how can i commit both sets of changes without any conflicts?
[21:27] <j1mc> or without the commited change showing as reverted, and then re-committed.
[21:28] <beuno> j1mc, you want both changes merged?  or discard one of them?
[21:28] <kosipov> beuno: I believe I will be able to give you all the data
[21:28] <j1mc> hi beuno ... i would like both changes merged.
[21:28] <kosipov> just writing a report here for our group
[21:29] <j1mc> my problem is that the committed change shows as reverted, and then recommited at the end.
[21:29] <kosipov> we're trying to migrate, but first need to check that we can actually work ok
[21:29] <beuno> kosipov, even more interesting if you can file a bug so we can follow up and help you get the performance you need
[21:30] <beuno> j1mc, the work flow would be "bzr merge", resolve conflicts, than "bzr commit"
[21:30] <beuno> and, finally push if you want the final version on main
[21:30] <kosipov> beuno: I will sure file a bug but when I have a tarball with the source tree with which you can play to attach to it.
[21:30] <ubotu> New bug: #197426 in bzr "bzr diff message when some files are not versioned is unhelpful" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197426
[21:31] <kosipov> beuno: I need to double check that if I attach this tarball my company is not sued...
[21:31] <beuno> kosipov, maybe just file it with the "bzr info -v" data to get it rolling, and attach it later on
[21:31] <beuno> might not need the tarball at all
[21:32] <beuno> j1mc, you also might not get any conflicts, but you have to commit anyway
[21:33] <j1mc> beuno: ... ok.  i'm just looking up info on resolving conflicts.  any tips?
[21:34] <beuno> j1mc, http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/user-guide/index.html#resolving-conflicts
[21:35] <j1mc> beuno, you are the reason irc is awesome.  :)
[21:35] <j1mc> thanks for your help
[21:35] <beuno> j1mc, muehehe, no problem
[21:44] <kosipov> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/197429
[21:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197429 in bzr "bzr gui tools are too slow with old/large repositories " [Undecided,New]
[21:48] <jelmer> beuno: btw, what airport are you guys flying into tomorrow?
[21:48] <beuno> jelmer, gatwick I belive. You?
[21:49] <jelmer> beuno: looks like Heathrow
[21:50]  * beuno double checks
[21:50] <jelmer> I'm arriving an hour or a half before you guys but I guess waiting doesn't make sense if it's a different airport ;-)
[21:51] <beuno> jelmer, confirmed, Gatwick
[21:51] <beuno> it would be a bit odd to wait for us if we're in different airports  :p
[21:52] <beuno> I was told to stay away from heathrow for some reason
[21:56] <ubotu> New bug: #197429 in mysql "bzr gui tools are too slow with old/large repositories " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197429
[22:07] <james_w> in mysql?
[22:08] <beuno> james_w, he seems to work for mysql
[22:08] <beuno> and is trying to use bzr with mysql devel
[22:08] <james_w> ah, ok
[22:08] <beuno> but, of course, it shouldn't be assigned to mysql
[22:09] <james_w> kosipov: mind if I drop the mysql part of that bug, it doesn't really reflect where the problem is?
[22:10] <beuno> jelmer, do you think it should be asigned to bzr-gtk too?  It does seem a bzr problem but...
[22:10] <jelmer> beuno: If it's consistent across all tools I think it's a bzr problem
[22:10] <jelmer> perhaps it can be reassigned if it turns out there is a specific issue in bzr-gtk
[22:11] <beuno> jelmer, 50k revisions doesn't look like a bzr-gtk probem, no. Just wondering if it would be useful for other people reporting the same problem  (it does affect bzr-gtk indirectly anyway)
[22:18] <jelmer> beuno: well, we can always mark it as a duplicate if people report the same bug although marking it as occurring in bzr-gtk is also fine with me
[22:22] <beuno> jelmer, nah, it's fine, just a though
[22:23] <beuno> *thought
[22:23] <kosipov> james_w: sure
[22:27] <james_w> kosipov: thanks.
[22:28] <kosipov> james_w: should I attach the total size of the directory, number of files, lines?
[22:28] <kosipov> would that help?
[22:29] <james_w> kosipov: I don't think the exact numbers are necessary.
[22:29] <kosipov> ;-]


[07:42] <praisethemoon> good morning!
[08:02] <praisethemoon> elacheche, what was that off-topic gentoo channel ? :D
[08:26] <elacheche> Morning folks
[08:26] <elacheche> #gentoo-chat praisethemoon
[08:27] <praisethemoon> brb
[08:28] <praisethemoon> it was an issue from hexchat
[08:28] <praisethemoon>  /join was not working x)
[08:28] <praisethemoon> thought it was wrong :3
[08:30] <elacheche> Weird
[09:38] <AcidNinjaFWHR> hello praisethemoon
[09:38] <AcidNinjaFWHR> you didn't join yesterday night, did you?
[09:38] <praisethemoon> AcidNinjaFWHR, I'm sorry ..
[09:38] <praisethemoon> I totally forgot about it :/
[09:39] <praisethemoon> sad thing is, I wanted to game
[09:39] <praisethemoon> spent entire night trying to compile my project with MinGW on AppVeyor CI
[09:39] <AcidNinjaFWHR> what a loss of time xD
[09:39] <AcidNinjaFWHR> Have you tried yet GitLab CI ?
[09:41] <praisethemoon> No, my project is hosted on github, but will git it a try!
[10:13] <Dro> bjrr
[10:14] <praisethemoon> good day Dro
[10:38] <Dro> ^^
[13:12] <elacheche> praisethemoon: I wasted all my time tonight tryingto figure out why I'm not able to use radeon driver on my Gentoo installation, turned out that I should not compile it into the kernel and I should use it as a module.. Tonight I'll compile the kerenel again try x)
[13:13] <elacheche> Dro: toghss toghto w tatla3 x) Where are you dude?
[13:13] <praisethemoon> oh my god
[13:13] <praisethemoon> xD
[13:13] <praisethemoon> install gentoo they said
[13:13] <praisethemoon> it would be fun they said xD
[13:13] <praisethemoon> btw elacheche
[13:13] <praisethemoon> what's so great about Gentoo?
[13:14] <elacheche> It is funny!! :D I love it :D
[13:14] <elacheche> I can tell you what I find great after installing it, then I'll tell you why..
[13:14] <Dro> elacheche, çava! :P
[13:17] <elacheche> On my Ubuntu, when the OS starts it use more than 300MB or RAM I guess.. I start Chromium, and it eats more than 1GB of my 3GB setup.. Gentoo: less than 50MB before running Chromium, less than 600MB after (I can get the exact numbers tonight).. That's because whne you install something "emerge" the gentoo package manager, get the source code and compile it using only the flags that you need for your OS..
[13:17] <elacheche> So for example I don't have a package(and deps) compiled & loaded with KDE support when I don't use KDE,
[13:17] <elacheche> yep Dro, u?
[13:18] <elacheche> See the diff praisethemoon ?
[13:18] <Dro> trying to be fine :P
[13:18] <elacheche> Good :)
[13:19] <elacheche> You always come and go after great events Dro, you missed SFD
[13:19] <Dro> allah ghaleb, nchallah lmarra jeya
[13:20] <elacheche> :)
[13:21] <praisethemoon> elacheche, I feel you my friend, I need to try it!
[13:22] <elacheche> It's funny because I'm learning new things..  I only know an other guy who used to use Gentoo..
[19:13] <praisethemoon> HELLO
[19:13] <praisethemoon> elacheche, you're here?
[19:13] <praisethemoon> AcidNinjaFWHR, Yo!
[19:13] <praisethemoon> check this: https://github.com/AndreRenaud/PDFGen/pull/1
[19:13] <praisethemoon> \o/
[19:16] <AcidNinjaFWHR> hi
[19:17] <AcidNinjaFWHR> gg
[19:17] <AcidNinjaFWHR> xD
[19:43] <praisethemoon> \o/


[01:00] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:17] <ducasse> good morning
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> !schedule
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> !release
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-startup-applications bionic
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> i wonder by they didnt default this
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> why
[09:58] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[14:27] <pauljw> hi everyone
[14:43] <BluesKaj> Hi pauljw, how's things?
[15:00] <hggdh> late morning all
[15:01] <BluesKaj> 'Morning hggdh
[18:20] <nacc> oerheks: i went ahead and put them in /ignore, what ended up happening? Just see a few lol and public logs haven't caught upyet
[18:21] <oerheks> oh, he left
[18:21] <oerheks> some do not want to read manuals, but do want to read us
[18:21] <nacc> heh
[18:22] <oerheks> waiting for that webqirc dude
[18:24] <leftyfb> webqirc are different dudes
[18:24] <oerheks> never seen so many the last few days ...
[18:24] <nacc> amazing how they all seem like trolls eventually
[18:24] <nacc> one mega-webqirc troll :)
[18:24] <leftyfb> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/F3SFxGPYkc/
[18:24] <oerheks> yes, ip changes, but that norda dude had changing ips too, probably tor
[18:25] <leftyfb> norda?
[18:25] <oerheks> that is one name he registered
[18:26] <leftyfb> I don't have any logs for "norda"
[18:26] <oerheks> oh sorry.. nordo
[18:26] <oerheks> jun 23 01:04:56 <qwebirc53634>	i will be back with name "Nordo" :)
[18:29] <leftyfb> https://www.dropbox.com/s/62ytsqqfvv6z3b2/Screenshot%20from%202018-06-25%2014-27-51.png?dl=0
[18:29] <leftyfb> btw, works fine for me
[18:29] <leftyfb> the instructions did fail to tell you that Ubuntu users need autoconf installed in order for the bootstrap.sh to run
[18:29] <nacc> yes, that user sounded lazy, tbh
[18:30] <oerheks> not just lazy, but so demanding
[18:30] <leftyfb> to be fair, those instructions suck
[18:30] <leftyfb> gotta read carefully. They lump all OS's in together
[18:31] <leftyfb> my question is, why does someone who doesn't know how to compile code or refuses to read instructions carefully want with an encrypted chat that I personally have never heard of
[18:34] <nacc> right
[20:21] <oerheks> new google chrome, jippie
[20:21] <oerheks> Version 67.0.3396.99
[20:49] <Bashing-om> And ... UWN533 is out :)
[20:50] <oerheks> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2018/06/25/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-533/
[20:50] <oerheks> spám
[20:50] <oerheks> :-D
[20:50] <Bashing-om> BUT .. it is good spam ..
[20:51] <ducasse> evening, Bashing-om, oerheks
[20:51] <ducasse> how are you guys
[20:57] <oerheks> hi ducasse
[20:57] <oerheks> as an extraordinarily low IQ person, simply fine :-D
[20:57] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Good as I wipe the sweat off . Your coke going down well ?
[21:03] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: I see that you have pchelp production ready :) Good man !
[21:04] <ducasse> oerheks: i think about half my intelligence has melted away today, too hot :)
[21:04] <oerheks> yes, we had lovely weather too, biking with drabber and such
[21:05] <Bashing-om> :)
[21:05] <Bashing-om> Heber Springs, AR: Temp: 90°F (32°C) ~ Scattered Clouds ~ Humidity: 59% ~ Wind: From the SSW at 10 MPH Gusting to 17 MPH ~ Observed: Mon 25, 15:55
[21:06] <ducasse> not a fan of too much heat, hope it will be better tomorrow
[21:06] <ducasse> this spring has been extreme
[21:07] <oerheks> few more days an i can start peeling off skin
[21:07] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Heat index here is climbing .. will be in the hundreds in a few days :(
[21:14] <ducasse> oerheks: was in town all day, picked up quite a bit of color
[21:15] <Bashing-om> ducasse: color - if ya come over to our house - and exercise the lawn mower will pick up more color :P
[21:17] <ducasse> Bashing-om: lol, it's not that important to me, thank you :)
[21:23] <andres_> hi anyone here?
[21:24] <ducasse> almost always
[21:25] <andres_> whats the normal temp for ubuntu on a laptop?my heat is going up even from mail...
[21:25] <andres_> can i do something about it?
[21:26] <andres_> or 50 celcius is ok?
[21:26] <andres_> fam15h_power-pci-00c4
[21:26] <andres_> Adapter: PCI adapter
[21:26] <andres_> power1:       30.27 mW (avg =  54.64 mW, interval =   0.01 s)
[21:26] <andres_>                        (crit =  15.00 W)
[21:26] <andres_> acpitz-virtual-0
[21:26] <andres_> Adapter: Virtual device
[21:26] <andres_> temp1:        +42.0°C  (crit = +255.0°C)
[21:26] <andres_> iwlwifi-virtual-0
[21:26] <andres_> Adapter: Virtual device
[21:26] <andres_> temp1:        +56.0°C
[21:26] <andres_> amdgpu-pci-0008
[21:26] <andres_> Adapter: PCI adapter
[21:27] <andres_> fan1:             N/A
[21:27] <andres_> temp1:        +48.0°C  (crit =  +0.0°C, hyst =  +0.0°C)
[21:27] <ducasse> !paste
[21:28] <andres_> sorry guys im new to hex...
[21:28] <andres_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GYjTCgHjMy/
[21:31] <andres_> is there something i can do to make those numbers go down?htop shows i have 3 active programs,terminal,firefox and hex
[21:31] <oerheks> looks normal to me
[21:32] <andres_> )))ok...maybe im just paranoid eversince i got heat plugin installed
[21:32] <oerheks> an  i5-3317u can run up to 105'C .. so that number looks pretty good
[21:49] <Bashing-om> I love *NOT* when they bite the hand that feeds - nacc .
[21:49] <nacc> Bashing-om: eh, they have a poor attitude
[21:50] <Bashing-om> and ^ gets an ignore from me .
[21:51] <oerheks> ubuntu should have a great modem manager in network manager, if it was buggy, i would find more bug reports, no?
[21:51] <oerheks> is it just his device?
[21:52] <nacc> oerheks: dunno, hard to say
[21:52] <nacc> i expect so, or could be a buggy upgrade, etc.
[22:38] <hggdh> too fast for me...


[11:48] <frankban> uiteam: I need two reviews and QA for https://codereview.appspot.com/188890043 (GUI  charm). Anyone available? Thanks!
[12:03] <rick_h_>  frankban ty for helping out huw. I'll look in a bit.
[12:03] <frankban> rick_h_: thanks
[12:04] <rick_h_> and welcome back :)
[12:14] <frankban> :-)
[15:20] <lazyPower> Is the jujucharms.com website in progress of an upgrade?
[15:20] <rick_h_> lazyPower: yes
[15:20] <rick_h_> lazyPower: back in a few min hopefully, misfire :(
[15:20] <lazyPower> ack, i'll hold off on the panic button
[15:20] <rick_h_> oh I'll panic enough for both of us :)
[15:51] <rick_h_> uiteam call in 10 thought might be delayed if the production issues go on
[16:29] <frankban> Makyo: FYI, the car about updating quickstart for new login is likely to involve work on the gui server in the charm. please feel free to ping me if you need help when tackling that
[16:29] <frankban> card even
[17:33] <rick_h_> lazyPower: should look better now
[17:38] <lazyPower> rick_h_: sure does - and started looking that way about an hour ago
[17:41] <rick_h_> lazyPower: cool well d/l numbers just finished so hopefully all good until next release
[17:41]  * lazyPower fistbumps
[18:02] <hatch> lunching
[18:36] <jcastro> jrwren, rick_h_: proper numbers, <3 you guys
[18:38] <rick_h_> jcastro: bundles will come next week, little more complicated there.
[18:39] <jrwren> jcastro: bundles are definitely coming. I'm finally happy with a solution :)
[18:39] <jrwren> thanks for the praise jcastro
[19:13] <lazyPower> rick_h_: https://api.jujucharms.com/v4/trusty/hdp-pig-4/archive/config.yaml - i call schenanigans
[19:13] <lazyPower> rick_h_: is this still pending a db refresh or has all that dust settled?
[19:13] <rick_h_> lazyPower: otp look in a sec
[19:14] <lazyPower> rick_h_: i stnd corrected - this is indeed in the repository
[19:14] <lazyPower> disregard my callout
[19:15] <jcastro> store folks, any idea what's up with this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/558832/juju-fails-to-download-the-charm-dial-tcp-lookup-store-juju-ubuntu-com-no-su
[19:16] <jrwren> jcastro: that juju user is behind a firewall stopping from reaching store.juju.ubuntu.com?
[19:16] <jrwren> jcastro: or doesn't have DNS configured, since its a "could not lookup store.juju.ubuntu.com"
[19:16] <marcoceppi> how is the sorting done on this page? I can't make heads or tails of it
[19:16] <marcoceppi> https://jujucharms.com/solutions
[19:17] <jcastro> marcoceppi, looks like # of deploys
[19:17] <marcoceppi> jcastro: false
[19:17] <jcastro> oh wait
[19:17] <jcastro> but that was correct earlier?
[19:17] <marcoceppi> because wordpress outranks a whole lot of charms on that page and it's like at the bottom
[19:17] <jcastro> I was just on this page
[19:17] <marcoceppi> no idea
[19:19] <jcastro> jrwren, he says he can wget the charm fine
[19:20] <jrwren> jcastro: http_proxy or something?
[19:21] <urulama> marcoceppi: trusty and bundles on top, sorted by dl numbers, precise then ... this was a requirement
[19:21] <jrwren> jcastro: knowing what version of juju may help too
[19:21] <marcoceppi> urulama: so juju-gui tops mysql but trusty mysql has more downloads than gui
[19:21] <marcoceppi> urulama: something isn't adding up
[19:22] <urulama> marcoceppi: bundles are somewhere out of order with 0 downloads, and there is one "precise" at the top ... we'll tweak them in time
[19:22] <urulama> marcoceppi: that's precise, not trusty ... and ES somehow boosted that to #2 spot
[19:22] <urulama> marcoceppi: elasticsearch is funny sometimes :)
[19:23] <urulama> marcoceppi: we have to promote trusty charms over existing precise ones ... otherwise you'd see old charms on the top all the time
[19:24] <marcoceppi> it seems really backwards that a trusty charm with 2 downloads will out weigh a precise charm with tens of thousands
[19:24] <marcoceppi> seems it be better to sort by downloaded most since X weeks
[19:24] <marcoceppi> what's hot now
[19:28] <urulama> marcoceppi: the thing is, juju-core is not connected to this new charmstore, but the old charmstore, so we don't actually get "dowload events" direclty, but have to "process them" from the old one ... what you're saying will happen, there's just more to it. we need to switch to new charmstore first, and that happens once QA team does test on legacy compatibility with existing juju clients
[19:45] <rick_h_> lazyPower: ok, glad it's not lying to you
[19:46] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: jcastro so we're working out the search kinks. The goal is normally to rate based on matching your search term, then the series, then download numbers
[19:46] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: jcastro so what you're seeing is that the series boost (because if you have two mysql you want the newer one to show up first regardless of download numbers) effecting the other results especially because there's no search term here
[19:47] <rick_h_> but even that doesn't do great as shown here: https://jujucharms.com/q/apache that the boost didn't seem to get trusty apache2 over precise.
[19:47] <rick_h_> so we're still working on trying to tweak the boosts and get it right.
[19:48] <rick_h_> we'll have another release next week with more tweaks
[19:58] <hatch> http://www.redbull.com/ca/en/snow/stories/1331693810256/red-bull-kite-farm-regina
[19:58] <hatch> saweeeet
[19:59] <hatch> jrwren: ^ here is a good picture of some kiting :)
[20:00] <jrwren> redbull <3
[20:01] <jrwren> that is SWEET.
[20:01] <jrwren> i wonder why more people around here don't do that.
[20:01] <hatch> It's learning curve is similar to VIM :P
[20:02] <hatch> tbh that's why I've seen so many quit
[20:02] <hatch> and it's super dangerous if you don't learn slowly
[20:02] <hatch> but if people can get past that then they usually fall in love
[20:35] <hatch> nice down to 28 test failures
[20:36] <hatch> it's especially awesome when something fails but doesn't tell you why
[20:36] <hatch> hah
[20:49] <hatch> ugh mocha is doing it's stupid objects keys need to be in order failures again
[22:03] <huwshimi> Morning
[22:04] <hatch> morning huwshimi
[23:02] <hatch> rick_h_: hey have you looked at http://www.pivotaltracker.com/why-tracker/how-it-works ?
[23:02] <hatch> expensive...but maybe better?
[23:05] <hatch> oh hey in doing these tests I found a big
[23:05] <hatch> bug
[23:05] <hatch> yay test
[23:05] <hatch> s


[06:33] <RAOF> Hm.
[06:33] <RAOF> It occurs to me that what I really want is mir::observing_ptr.
[06:41] <racarr_> ALL ABOARD THE MIR TRAIN
[06:41] <racarr_> DEPARTURE SOON
[06:41] <racarr_> *whistle blowing*
[06:42] <racarr_> Happy new years everyone :) See you all tomorrow.
[07:54] <mlankhorst> Morning and happy newyear
[07:54] <mlankhorst> RAOF: don't we all want that? :D
[13:04] <kdub> good morning
[13:43] <greyback_> alan_g: hello! Happy New Year to you
[13:44] <greyback_> quick question, the new mir Server api doesn't have a getter for the_placement_strategy - omission or intentional?
[14:03] <alan_g> greyback_: Healthy New Year!
[14:03] <kgunn> mornin' & happy new year to all
[14:04] <greyback_> o/
[14:04] <alan_g> We've exposed the stuff that is in use
[14:04] <alan_g> kdub: kgunn : Healthy New Year!
[14:05] <kdub> alan_g, thanks
[14:11] <greyback_> alan_g: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1407687 - I'd like it re-instated as I've a qtmir patch to use it. Far from urgent tho
[14:25] <kgunn> camako: seems like we should probably cherry pick this into stable
[14:25] <kgunn> https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/mir/fix-1401488/+merge/245443
[14:26]  * camako looks
[14:26] <kgunn> ...lemme know what ya think
[14:26] <kgunn> showing up here also
[14:26] <kgunn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1405687
[14:26] <kgunn> ...with people confirming
[14:27] <camako> kgunn, yeah I think so
[14:27]  * kdub wonders why we're wrapping the binaries
[14:28] <camako> kgunn, we'll be making a release though.. will start it today..
[14:28] <kgunn> cool
[14:36] <alan_g> kdub: wrapping is an [in]elegant way to locate the platforms directory
[14:40] <kdub> yeah... guess its too late to object
[14:43] <alan_g> If I (or duflu) had had a better idea then we would have objected
[14:47] <kdub> yeah, something to improve on later
[15:17] <racarr_> Good morning
[15:17] <kdub> morning racarr_
[15:19] <camako> morning
[15:20] <racarr_> hey :) Happy new years guys
[15:21] <camako> happy new year to you too :-)
[15:29] <attente_> hello, is mir supposed to generate hover-exit motion events when the mouse cursor leaves a surface?
[15:33] <racarr_> sort of yes
[15:33] <racarr_> as it stands cursor stuff doesnt work very well espescially under unity8
[15:34] <racarr_> qtmir will drop the hover exit event afairc (it would be hard for it to know what to do with it currently atm)
[15:38] <greyback_> qtmir is missing many useful mouse events yet
[15:38] <greyback_> so yeah, is on the list
[15:40] <kgunn> racarr_: happy new year
[15:41] <alan_g> camako: racarr_ Healthy New Year!
[15:48] <racarr_> MirPointerEvent coming soon :)
[15:48] <racarr_> PointerInputEvent rather
[16:14] <racarr_> maybe this is a good time to inbox 0
[16:15] <racarr_> BOOM
[16:15] <kgunn> good luck
[16:16] <kgunn> ....you'll likely get stuck on the riveting cla email
[16:21] <alan_g> greyback_: I'm curious: how is the_placement_strategy() useful outside of Mir? Is it a workaround for a better API?
[16:24] <greyback_> alan_g: I want to push the placement decision into qml. I do this by making the place() call emit a synchroneous signal, that qml can catch and make the decision
[16:25] <greyback_> alan_g: https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/qtmir/initialSurfaceGeometry/+merge/231725 is how I'm using it
[16:26] <alan_g> greyback_: OK but that just needs override (which is supported).
[16:26] <alan_g> I'll take a look
[16:26] <greyback_> alan_g: yeah, my workaround is just to save a copy of the shared pointer to the PlacementStrategy
[16:26] <greyback_> ...in the override
[16:28] <alan_g> I think it is similar to my saving the WindowManager in https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/tiling-window-mamagement/+merge/245228 (but I want the WindowManager, not the PlacementStrategy interface
[16:37] <greyback_> alan_g: yes indeed. I've always let Mir create the objects and then relied on getters for them (not doing this was buggy with the old api). Perhaps I should relax that now
[16:39] <alan_g> greyback_: it seems you actually want a MirPlacementStrategy* (not a ms::MirPlacementStrategy). So, rather than an accessor in Mir and a downcast (BTW wouldn't dynamic_cast be safer?), why not keep a weak_ptr<MirPlacementStrategy>? That would automatically give you your nullptr too.
[16:40] <greyback_> alan_g: fair point, and yes fair point
[16:41] <alan_g> Can I mark lp:1407687 invalid?
[16:42] <greyback_> alan_g: just an FYI on why I'm implementing ms::MirPlacementStrategy - I received complaints from some clients where the surface size returned by the PlacementStrategy would be changed later when the surface is added to the scene. I.e. the surface would get a resize event shortly after creation. Some clients don't like that
[16:42] <alan_g> that seems sensible
[16:43] <alan_g> And what ms::PlacementStrategy is for
[16:43] <greyback_> alan_g: you can. But it does open up a slight API inconsistency in mir::Server - as many overrides do have accessor methods, and only a few do not
[16:44]  * greyback_ not sure "accessor" is the correct term
[16:46] <alan_g> "accessor" or "factory method" or ...
[16:46] <greyback_> ack
[16:48] <alan_g> I'd rather only expose things that are actually useful
[16:49] <greyback_> that fair. I'm not that opinionated on this, just wanted to raise the question as to how you expect the api to be used
[16:51] <alan_g> Sure. I'm not opinionated either. The interface is already public so there's little cost to exposing it - except that folks might use it (and write bad code).
[16:52] <greyback_> I'll let you have the final call so.
[16:56] <alan_g> Do you have an opinion on my example above? After writing my WindowManager example code think there's too much "wiring" in the example and not enough in the library. (I could push the "Tracker" and "Factory" wiring into Mir and give it a msh::WindowManger interface)
[17:04] <greyback_> I do like the basic design of WindowManager, and think TilingWindowManager is a nicely written bit of example code. It is a bit surprising for me that different methods of WindowManager will be called in different threads tho, but as long as that's clearly documented it is fine
[17:05] <greyback_> yeah the tracker is pretty typical, I had expected it to be in Mir
[17:06] <greyback_> if you intend to push WindowManager into Mir, then yeah think it logical the Trackers will have to go in too
[17:07] <attente_> will mir support the same kind of pointer hover enter/exit behaviour as in X? per http://tronche.com/gui/x/xlib/events/window-entry-exit/normal.html
[17:08] <racarr_> attente_: Yes
[17:09] <alan_g> I'm not sure the design is yet mature enough to put in the API (e.g. no focus switching) but it does seem to be that stuff is missing that would make Mir usable.
[17:09] <racarr_> attente_: Currently support is spotty, I guess it wont work under unity8 and should work otherwise
[17:09] <racarr_> soon it will work fine :)
[17:10] <attente_> racarr_: thanks!
[17:10] <greyback_> racarr_: qtmir/unity8 will generate the hover enter/exit events for the client, if mir supports such an event
[17:11] <racarr_> greyback_: DO you think so? I think it will drop it in QtEventFeeder
[17:12] <racarr_> the bit that
[17:12] <racarr_> switches based on the touch action
[17:12] <racarr_> just drops hover enter/exit afairc
[17:13] <racarr_> QtEventFeeder::dispatchMotion...are you saying they are then
[17:13] <racarr_> generated again later?
[17:14] <greyback_> racarr_: we'll generate them in the MirSurfaceItem - which lives in our scene and knows when mouse in/out occurs
[17:14] <racarr_> oh
[17:14] <racarr_> future perfect
[17:14] <racarr_> will
[17:14] <racarr_> not
[17:14] <racarr_> present perfect
[17:14] <racarr_> will
[17:14] <racarr_> haha
[17:14] <greyback_> yes sorry
[17:15] <racarr_> No its ok :p yea
[17:15] <racarr_> h
[17:15] <racarr_> that is where to do it. nothing atm I think though
[17:15] <greyback_> Hayy New Year btw!
[17:15] <racarr_> Happy new year!
[17:15] <racarr_> There are some pointer event changes upcoming that should make this possible to implement correctly
[17:15] <racarr_> currently you cant really differentiate between
[17:15] <racarr_> touch points hovering
[17:15] <racarr_> and the pointer
[17:15] <greyback_> yeah, mouse support need work still, will be dandrader's first mission when back
[17:16] <racarr_> ah cool
[17:16] <racarr_> im cleaning up the mir end :)
[17:16] <racarr_> SYNERGY
[17:16] <greyback_> nice
[17:16] <greyback_> it could do with it
[17:16] <greyback_> any idea how's the libinput integration going too?
[17:16] <racarr_> new model is touch/pointer event are seperate event types
[17:16] <racarr_> hmm
[17:16] <racarr_> not really
[17:16] <racarr_> definitely some progress on the
[17:17] <racarr_> infrastructure to
[17:17] <greyback_> +1 for the different event types anyway
[17:17] <racarr_> well like support libinput based devices and
[17:17] <racarr_> also use the android stack
[17:17] <racarr_> etc
[17:17] <greyback_> gotcha
[17:17] <racarr_> I wouldnt be expecting 2 finger scroll this month though :(
[17:17] <racarr_> maybe thats pessimistic or anpok was working over holidays or something lol
[17:18] <racarr_> greyback_: Did you have nice holidays?
[17:19] <greyback_> racarr_: yeah, was the perfect length to forget everything work related
[17:19] <greyback_> you?
[17:19] <greyback_> see the family?
[17:19] <racarr_> Yeah excellent :D Also forgot everything. Went to see family
[17:19] <racarr_> they gave me a violin
[17:19] <racarr_> A+!
[17:23] <greyback_> nice!
[17:23] <greyback_> I wouldn't like to be your neighbor right now...
[17:24] <greyback_> we have an old family violin which my mother used to play when she was young. We got it restored and gave it to my sister's daughter
[17:24] <greyback_> ofc no such thing as a free gift - she's now eternally obliged to play it at family gatherings :)
[17:36] <racarr_> hehe of course
[17:57] <alan_g> racarr_: kdub I could do with another vote on https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/tiling-window-mamagement/+merge/245228
[17:57] <kdub> alan_g, okay
[18:00] <kdub> alan_g, will review probably after your EOD, my brain is spooled up with how to improve android display construction
[18:01] <alan_g|EOD> kdub: np
[18:14] <racarr_> wow this vacation stuff
[18:14] <racarr_> really works
[18:14] <racarr_> I actually had fun reviewing the managed surface branch
[18:16]  * alan_g|EOD thinks he needs a vacation then
[18:28] <racarr_> I think its ok to land this yeah? https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/port-examples-off-mir-event-access/+merge/245240
[18:32] <racarr_> hmm I guess anpok is still gone
[18:40] <racarr_> evdev-input-platform isnt easy
[19:48] <racarr_> Finished reviews gonna take a niec long lunch
[19:48] <racarr_> back in ~1 hour
[21:08] <kgunn> camako: are we fully swtiched over from asio to glib mainloop?
[21:08] <kgunn> ...guessing not on rtm
[21:08] <camako> kgunn, yes
[21:09] <camako> kgunn, correct .. not on rtm
[22:58] <kgunn> kdub: for "Make nested & offscreen an actual platform" it's marked ready for release...so we really have a sw FB for offscreen on devel ?
[23:02] <RAOF> That would be pretty rad.
[23:04] <racarr_> Hi RAOF!
[23:04] <racarr_> Happy new years :D
[23:04] <RAOF> racarr_: Happy new year!


[02:30] <Stev2> Hello, I have a question about starting many daemons in parallel. On my system, i start httpd,smbd,nmbd,httpd,cupsd,avahid,distccd and some others all at once at boot time. Occasionaly one or more of them fail to start, and in the logs then there are errors saying could not bind to <IP_ADDRESS>:631 permission denied, or setgid(99) failed, permission denied. Anyone experience this?
[02:59] <Md> a randomly failing setgid is a bad, bad thing
[03:00] <Md> and the other problem looks related
[03:00] <Md> you need to understand why these daemons are being started with the wrong UID when they expect to be started by root
[03:04] <Stev2> I don't know how they could not be started by root, they are spawned from upstart, unless i am missing something.


[02:37] <pochu> Any main sponsor who could upload http://emilio.pozuelo.org/~deb/gedit.debdiff for me? It fixes a FTBFS. TIA!
[02:38] <zoke> what policies/mechanisms are in place to work more with upstream/debain and to reduce deltas ?
[02:41] <crimsun> pochu: ACKed.
[02:42] <pochu> crimsun: thanks :)
[02:44] <LaserJock> zoke: that's an interesting question
[02:50] <LaserJock> zoke: patches are automatically sent upstream, we encourage all developers/contributors to move things upstream
[02:50] <zoke> I see
[02:50] <LaserJock> but specific policies I'm not so sure
[02:50] <LaserJock> mostly we just try to "do the right thing" and work with upstreams
[02:51] <LaserJock> certainly not perfectly all the time, but that's the goal
[02:57] <bddebian> LaserJock: Don't lie, we never give back.. ;-P
[03:01] <ScottK> I think the stats on http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html and http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html show us doing a reasonably good job over time.
[03:02] <bddebian> ScottK: :_)
[04:56] <LongPointyStick> elmo: no point updating seed management before cjwatson does his stuff with the new seeds
[05:33] <linos2> anyone know how to compile an application .exe file extension using the gcc command?
[05:33] <RAOF> linos2: gcc -o foo.exe foo.c
[05:33] <RAOF> However, that (a) doesn't do what you actually want, and (b) isn't a question for #ubuntu-devel
[05:35] <linos2> RAOF, sorry, but do you know where I could find such a channel?
[05:35] <RAOF> Well, #gcc might be a good one.
[05:35] <linos2> I tried, but nobody home
[05:36] <borschty> i'm not sure, but take a look at the "winegcc"-command included in wine
[05:36] <linos2> ok.. thanks guys
[13:21] <kagou> Hi
[13:22] <kagou> i'm investigating #181561
[13:22] <kagou> what's the difference between kernel in desktop and alternate iso ?
[13:27] <Seveas> kagou, there shouldn't be a difference afaik
[13:27] <Seveas> bug 181561
[13:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181561 in linux "Hardy alpha 3 daily-live i386 dont't boot" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181561
[13:29] <kagou> Seveas, or this is the case :(
[13:30] <kagou> do we have tools to re-create (and to customize) "official" iso ?
[13:31] <jkt|> nixternal: yeah, there was a mistake in communication between us and kde folks
[13:31] <jkt|> thanks for a hint
[13:54] <jdong> kagou: yes, the livecd is casper (see LiveCDCustomization or something like that on the wiki)
[13:54] <jdong> kagou: and alt CD is just debian-installer; Debian has great docs on customizing that
[16:09] <bddebian> pitti: Are you around by any chance?
[16:10] <geser> Hi bddebian
[16:12] <bddebian> Heya geser
[16:45] <lamont> hrm... which package do I reassign bug 120829 to ... (pmount/gnome prefs/etc, apparently fixed in gutsy)
[16:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120829 in util-linux "/dev/sda3 is mounted despite the 'noauto' option in fstab" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120829
[16:55] <crimsun> lamont: gnome-volume-manager
[16:56] <lamont> thanks
[18:59] <jcole> is webmin called something else these days?
[19:04] <jcole> hmm, http://packages.debian.org/webmin shows 2006 as last update
[19:04] <jcole> there is a fresh .deb on http://www.webmin.com/ though... perhaps there were some licensing issues or something
[19:05]  * jcole googles
[19:06] <ScottK2> !webmin | jcole
[19:06] <ubotu> jcole: webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system. See !ebox instead.
[19:06] <jcole> thanks ScottK2
[19:06] <Sjimmie> !ebox
[19:06] <ubotu> ebox is a web-based GUI interface for administering a server. It is designed to work with Ubuntu/Debian style configuration management.


[16:19] <ScottL> persia, when you have time would you ping me please?
[16:20] <ScottL> i'll be in and out throughout the day


[00:27] <stewart> for bugs,  what thing (permission, or role or whatever) do you need to be able to properly target bugs to series and not just nominate them for it?
[00:34] <maxb> stewart: Driver, I think
[00:35] <stewart> maxb, thanks! i tihnk that's it.... was comparing two projects and trying to work out what the heck was diffreent for me
[08:17] <bdrung_> comment 250 in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/403135 is SPAM
[08:29] <danilos> bdrung_, thanks for the report, removed
[08:29] <bdrung_> np
[09:24] <akoskm> hi! I got a rejection message from launchpad with text like File <UPLOADED_FILE> already exists in <LOCATION>, etc. The first step of the solution says that I have to download the original tarbal from the pointed location. The problem is that I already deleted that package because it failed to build. However I still can't upload my source because its get rejected with the message.
[09:29] <glen> how can i remove spam post from ticket? https://bugs.launchpad.net/eventum/+bug/706385 - "edgar david caamal wrote 3 hours ago:"
[09:30] <glen> ubot5: no it's Eventum bug, not Ubuntu :P
[09:33] <danilos> glen, you report it eg. here
[09:33] <danilos> glen, I'll remove it
[09:34] <danilos> glen, that's comment #15?
[09:34] <danilos> glen, done
[09:34] <danilos> glen, fwiw, when nobody responds here, you can also file a question on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[09:35] <danilos> akoskm, you'll have to up the version number even if a package failed to build previously
[09:35] <danilos> akoskm, see also https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors
[09:37] <wgrant> akoskm: If it's the orig.tar.gz it's complaining about, you will have to download the old one or change the version number. If you deleted it less than a week ago, you should be able to find it by searching for Superseded packages.
[10:23] <akoskm> danilos, wgrant : thanks
[10:32] <glen> danilos: i'll keep retrying if nobody answers :)
[10:32] <glen> tx
[15:54] <quup> I can't post to launchpad
[15:54] <quup> will pastebin the error
[15:55] <quup> http://pastebin.com/t9k8PLJ0
[15:55] <quup> that's what happens when I click post
[15:56] <quup> I'd appreciate it if someone could post this message: http://pastebin.com/0qxsmifC   to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/756560?comments=all
[15:56] <quup> can't be bothered with this anymore sadly, have stuff to do
[16:36] <verterok> hi
[16:36] <verterok> I keep getting a "timeout error" while trying to change a bug from public to private
[16:36] <verterok> the bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/787581
[17:37]  * pmjdebruijn is wondering if the ppa upload broke?
[17:38] <bigjools> gpg key error from dput?
[17:38] <pmjdebruijn> yeah
[17:38] <pmjdebruijn> general error general error general error
[17:38] <pmjdebruijn> something about passive ftp
[17:38] <pmjdebruijn> and a "must be signed"
[17:38] <hannes|> Is it possible to download a zip file of the current git master in launchpad?
[17:38] <bigjools> your upload will work, I need to get the FTP service restarted
[17:38] <pmjdebruijn> ok
[17:39]  * pmjdebruijn standingby
[17:39] <bigjools> don't wait for anything, ignore the error
[17:39] <pmjdebruijn> huh?
[17:39] <hannes|> ah ok would need to use bazaar
[17:39] <pmjdebruijn> it didn't fail?
[17:39] <bigjools> no, as I said
[17:39] <bigjools> but badly phrased :)
[17:42] <pmjdebruijn> bigjools: ok I see now, I got the e-mail
[17:42] <pmjdebruijn> thanks
[17:42] <bigjools> np
[17:55] <BabyGeek> hi !
[17:56] <BabyGeek> i've a problem with my launchpad karma, I participate actively in answers but my karma does not increase, why ?
[18:44] <akoskm> hi! can I request the deletion of a source archive? It's already uploaded to launchpad but I want to replace it.
[18:57] <maxb> akoskm: Increase the version and upload again, no need to delete
[18:57] <maxb> (If you want to change the content of a file without changing the version number at all, then no - Launchpad is specifically designed to disallow that operation)
[18:59] <akoskm> maxb: I see, the problem is that this package is a java binding for Qt 4.7.2, so I just can't increase the version number to 4.7.3
[19:00] <maxb> What are you actually trying to change?
[19:01] <akoskm> I have to change the version of the source archive, now the archive what I'm trying to upload is named like libqtjambi_4.7.2.orig.tar.gz
[19:02] <akoskm> and I'm using libqtjambi (4.7.2-0ubuntu8) in the debian/changelog file
[19:02] <akoskm> I incremented this number (from 7 to 8), but the source a. remained the same
[19:03] <akoskm> as expected, because those numbers aren't in the name of the source archive
[19:05] <akoskm> I tried to add 4.7.2~ppa0-0ubuntu8 but debuild warned me that 4.7.2-0ubuntu7 have newer files, this is also more-less expected
[19:05] <maxb> OK, but there can only ever be one upstream 4.7.2, so why is the file changing at all?
[19:06] <akoskm> because I made a misstake, there is some gentoo specific part in a file what I forgot to comment out...
[19:07] <maxb> Oh, are you upstream for this package, as well?
[19:07] <akoskm> yes
[19:09] <maxb> In that case, I would recommend that you consider calling it 4.7.2a or <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:09] <maxb> It may not look quite as nice, but better a slightly unusual version number than the confusion of two different tarballs existing both calling themselves the same
[19:14] <akoskm> maxb: indeed, it will be just 4.7.2a then
[20:00] <Darxus> It's freaking awesome that imports have an "import now" button.
[20:01] <micahg> akoskm: you can add stuff to the upstream version as well like 4.7.2a~akoskm in case upstream releases a 4.7.2a, if that helps any
[21:15] <BabyGeek> hi
[21:16] <akoskm> micahg: OFC, thanks for suggesting
[21:19] <BabyGeek> i've a problem with my launchpad karma, I participate actively in answers but my karma does not increase, why ?


[11:17] <frickler> is there some glibc maintainer around here? I'd like to get the fix for https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=23844 into bionic, seems to affect multiple consumers, in our case openvswitch
[11:21] <rbasak> frickler: packages in Ubuntu are team maintained
[11:22] <rbasak> frickler: we'd be grateful if you could test/QA/land any bugfix in Ubuntu. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for details on how to do that, and please ask if you have any questions.
[11:39] <frickler> rbasak: thanks, I guess I would rewrite my question then as: Is there someone with enough interest in fixing that glibc bug such that I don't have to do the SRU procedure myself? ;) otherwise I'll try to get something started once I can confirm that the fix works for me locally
[11:40] <rbasak> frickler: please start by filing a bug - then coordination with others who are affected can begin.
[11:41] <rbasak> frickler: what proportion of Ubuntu users are likely to be affected? If that number is high, then the Canonical Server Team will prioritise it. If low, then it'll be up to volunteers only.
[11:41] <frickler> rbasak: I would re-target https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openvswitch/+bug/1839592 once I confirm the correlation
[11:42] <rbasak> frickler: sounds good. Thank you for coordinating!
[11:43] <rbasak> frickler: the 'sts' tag suggests to me that there's interest from Canonical customers, so you may be in luck with "someone with enough interest" :)
[12:15] <m_tadeu> hi...I have a VM that is mounting a ext4 that lives on the host:tempfs...seems like it's caching, which seems unnecessary....how can I enable direct access (no caching for this device on the VM)?
[12:35] <tomreyn> this sounds like something you'd manage non the virtualization you're using
[12:41] <m_tadeu> tomreyn: sorry didn't get it...I'm creating img files in the host tmpfs and using them as disks in the VM....problem is that the VM is caching data from a disk that is already in memory
[12:44] <tomreyn> m_tadeu: i don't think i'm getting this scenario where "the VM is caching data from a disk that is already in memory". maybe it'll help if you'll discuss which ubuntu server version you're discussing here, what's running on the host and guest, which virtualization you're using, and how virtual storages translate into physical storage.
[12:47] <tomreyn> maybe you're saying that you would like the gurst system to use the hosts' I/O cache. this is not something you can setup on the guest, though, but need to configure on the virtualization.
[12:48] <m_tadeu> host is ubuntu-server16.04 and the vm is ubuntu-server18.04. I'm using libvirt+kvm+qemu. I have a tempfs in /ramdisks, where I'm creating a disk1.qcow2 file. This file (/ramdisks/disk1.qcow2) will be used and mounted in the VM.
[12:50] <m_tadeu> now this disk1.qcow2 is already in the host memory (since it's in a tmpfs), but when the VM is using it, it's caching data (from disk1.qcow2) that is already in memory
[12:51] <cpaelzer> m_tadeu: cache=none in the libvirt xml would do what you need
[12:52] <cpaelzer> => https://libvirt.org/formatdomain.html#elementsDisks
[12:57] <m_tadeu> cpaelzer: I'm getting a 'Invalid argument' error when I use that. any ideas?
[12:57] <cpaelzer> m_tadeu: it will have to open the disk with O_DIRECT not sure if that works on TMPFS
[12:57] <cpaelzer> but also I think on tmpfs there will be no page cache
[12:58] <cpaelzer> I'd not assume the kernel is that stupid
[12:58] <cpaelzer> can't proove it, just gut feeling
[12:59] <cpaelzer> yep, as I assumed https://lkml.org/lkml/2007/1/4/55
[12:59] <cpaelzer> nice to see nown names so much back in time :-)
[13:03] <m_tadeu> so it fails because cache=none uses O_DIRECT and fails because it's in tmpfs?
[13:03] <cpaelzer> yes
[13:04] <m_tadeu> crap
[13:04] <cpaelzer> you can't tell it to not-cache where there isn't a concept of cache+backingstore to begin with
[13:06] <m_tadeu> well not on the tmpfs...but the vm seems to see it a regular partition....so it's filling all the memory as it uses that partition....so it seems to be caching in the vm
[13:19] <tomreyn> !info nocache
[13:20] <tomreyn> ^ in case you can't edit source code.
[13:21] <rafaeldtinoco> !info eatmydata
[13:21] <rafaeldtinoco> as well =)
[14:53] <m_tadeu> :) gonna check that
[18:38] <m_tadeu> is there a way for systemctl staatus <service> not to print special chars, like the initial ball?
[18:43] <sdeziel> m_tadeu: if all you care is to know if a unit runs or not, you might try 'systemctl is-active <service>' instead. Not sure that would achieve what you want
[18:44] <m_tadeu> sdeziel: woaa...that's what I really need....thx
[18:44] <sdeziel> cool
[18:45] <sdeziel> m_tadeu: it accepts --quiet if you only care about the return code
[18:48] <m_tadeu> sweet