[07:36] <coolbhavi> hi ajmitch
[07:38] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, if you dont mind shall I assign couple of work items from your list on the arb spec to myself?
[07:41] <ajmitch> coolbhavi: hi, I don't mind, which ones are you wanting to take?
[07:42] <ajmitch> it's unusual that you're online at the same time as me :)
[08:15] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, :) alternate queue view and the tools for speeding up reviews
[08:17] <ajmitch> and what are you suggesting for the alternative queue view?
[08:19] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, just close down the queue where packages are not targeted for the current stable  release i.e quantal
[08:19] <ajmitch> ok, that sounds more like a process thing than tools
[08:20] <coolbhavi> yes
[08:21] <coolbhavi> reg tools now that lintian is in place, I am looking at dh relocation
[08:22] <ajmitch> the queue view I was working on, very slowly, was more something to pull packages from myapps & record information about them
[08:23] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, ah ok then
[08:24] <ajmitch> since the majority of the useful info on myapps is in a JSON string, it wasn't hard to pull in & then import packages
[08:24] <coolbhavi> yes agreed
[08:24] <ajmitch> dh relocation sounds useful though, if it can be done with minimal effort by developers
[08:25] <ajmitch> so I've got a public holiday on wednesday, I'll try & sit down & work on this a bit
[08:25] <coolbhavi> i had couple of doubts reg the same which I posted on the list
[08:25] <ajmitch> (the queue stuff, not dh)
[08:25] <coolbhavi> ok sure ajmitch
[08:25] <coolbhavi> thanks then!
[08:26] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, I was thinking more of a process view reg the list
[08:27] <ajmitch> have you heard any updates on the apparmor sandboxing or automatic packaging?
[08:27] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, no
[08:27] <ajmitch> maybe dpm knows if there's been progress
[08:28] <coolbhavi> hmm yes
[08:28] <coolbhavi> and sorry for my understanding on the queue stuff
[08:29] <ajmitch> no problem, it's my fault for not communicating it well
[08:29] <coolbhavi> no issues ajmitch
[08:29]  * coolbhavi goes for a nap btw
[08:29] <coolbhavi> good night ajmitch
[08:29] <dpm> hi ajmitch. Automatic packaging was not planned for this cycle at UDS. For sandbox updates, here are the relevant blueprints
[08:30] <coolbhavi> and good morning dpm
[08:30] <dpm> - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/security-r-app-gsettings
[08:30] <dpm> -
[08:30] <dpm> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/security-r-app-online-accounts
[08:30] <dpm> - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/security-r-app-envfiltering
[08:30] <dpm> -
[08:30] <dpm> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/security-r-app-display-manager
[08:30] <dpm> - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/security-r-app-dbus
[08:30] <dpm> - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/security-r-app-keyring
[08:30] <dpm> - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/security-r-app-helper
[08:30] <dpm> hey coolbhavi :)
[08:30] <coolbhavi> thanks for the links dpm
[08:30] <ajmitch> dpm: ok, I got the impression it was sometime between the recent UDS & 14.04
[08:31] <dpm> ajmitch, yeah
[08:31] <ajmitch> looks like nearly all the work items there are postponed
[08:32] <ajmitch> thanks for the update anyway :)
[13:50] <coolbhavi> dpm, hey
[13:51] <coolbhavi> dpm, when is the UADW planned for?
[13:52] <dpm> hi coolbhavi, we haven't got dates yet, as we're trying to make it coincide with the next app showdown (for phone apps), and it will depend on how the core apps project runs
[13:53] <coolbhavi> dpm, thanks for the update
[18:11] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
[23:19] <BerndSch> ajmitch: do you have any news for me? Is there any chance to find my unity-lens-sshsearch in the graphical software centre in 12.04, 12.10 and 13.04? At least in 12.04 and 12.10 I can find it in the repositories with "apt-cache search"
[23:20] <BerndSch> ajmitch: also I read an article today that there are plans for an ssh search lens for 13.04? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/02/100-scopes-list-ubuntu-13-04
[23:20] <BerndSch> ajmitch: will canonical/ubuntu use the existing lens or will they write a new one?


[00:13] <ali12341> is three's account management website completely broken or what?
[00:19] <diddledan> ali12341, I couldn't pay my bill via the online three site the other day
[00:19] <ali12341> right, you probably still can't
[00:19] <diddledan> I ended up having to phone it
[00:20] <diddledan> it seemed to me that bits were just plain missing from the output
[00:20] <diddledan> e.g. the mastercard/visa thingy
[00:21] <ali12341> yes, same here
[00:21] <ali12341> i topped on on 29th of december
[00:21] <ali12341> now i can't do anything at all on the site
[00:21] <ali12341> can't register cards, change any settings, change email or address
[00:21] <diddledan> maybe they've got a date issue
[00:21] <ali12341> you fill in the form, submit, and it just takes you back to the start with no error message
[00:21] <diddledan> yup
[00:22] <diddledan> I hunted everywhere for some sign of an error
[00:22] <diddledan> it just seemed to ignore me
[00:22] <ali12341> yeah
[00:22] <ali12341> twitter support person is still fobbing people off
[00:23] <ali12341> but they won't admit what the problem is, or if it affects everyone
[00:23] <ali12341> tey just say "we're aware of a problem and trying to fix it"
[00:23] <ali12341> but essentially it seems like the website is broken for everyone and the phonelines are completely overloaded
[00:25] <ali12341> i sent an email and they replied to that saying "we're receiving an unusually high volume of requests"
[00:25] <ali12341> not really unusual if your website is broken though
[00:27] <daftykins> :D
[00:48] <ali12341> from twitter: "I've been trying to top up online for almost a week. "This service is currently unavailable. Please try again later."
[00:48] <ali12341> so pretty much the service has been broken since 1st of january but nobody was at work to fix it
[00:48] <daftykins> nice \o/
[00:49] <diddledan> smacks of a date issue
[00:50] <daftykins> sure does
[00:51] <ali12341> they must be bleeding money if nobody who got a new phone for christmas has been able to top up
[00:51] <ali12341> which they wouldn't have if they had to transfer a number
[00:51] <ali12341> cos the transfers take two business days
[00:58] <daftykins> doh, www.thetrainline.com is dead
[00:58] <diddledan> \o/
[00:59] <daftykins> i always make the mistake of typing "london ga... ga..." doh, "gatwick airport" on the train sites :P
[00:59] <daftykins> ugh nationalrail dead too
[00:59] <daftykins> what is this :P
[01:01] <daftykins> £84 for me to fly one way to Gatwick on the 16th :(
[01:02] <diddledan> and you have the option to do that route by train? o_O
[01:02] <daftykins> hehe, nah popping down to Pevensey for a friends birthday
[01:02] <daftykins> but now i don't really want to book flights when i'm not sure if there's anything at the other end :D
[03:22] <haza> hello
[03:22] <haza> i got a problem
[03:22] <haza> can you help?
[05:58] <mapps> jesus
[05:59] <mapps> anyon here?
[06:01] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[06:02] <daftykins> Jesus had to step out for a minute, but i'm here
[08:25] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:28] <daftykins> o/
[08:48] <MooDoo> everyone have a good christmas / new year?
[08:49] <daftykins> yes ty, and yourself? :)
[09:03] <ali12341> i just managed to get the three website to work
[09:03] <ali12341> registered a card, then it it broke again afterwards
[09:03] <ali12341> i think it's just overloaded
[09:06] <bashrc> last time I used it the three web site was a lesson in bad design and poor functionality
[09:13] <MooDoo> daftykins: yeah it was great thanks, too short as ever :D
[09:29] <daftykins> \o/
[09:45] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:45] <daftykins> o/
[09:53] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:54] <bashrc> morning
[10:05] <MooDoo> morning bashrc
[10:22] <knightwise> mornin peeps
[10:23] <daftykins> o/
[10:23] <knightwise> hey daftykins !
[10:23] <knightwise> how are you today
[10:23] <daftykins> not bad ty :) just enjoying a slight downpour here on Guernsey though. how goes with yourself?
[10:23] <daftykins> wow City Link went into administration on Christmas Eve O_O
[10:24] <awilkins> And their redundancy fund is *surprise* being bailed out by the taxpayer
[10:25] <awilkins> Tories : privatizing the profits, socializing the losses.
[10:26] <popey> \o/ late brekkie. scrambled egg
[10:26] <popey> nom
[10:27] <daftykins> 8D
[10:35]  * awilkins is jealous of egg
[10:36] <popey> mmmm egg
[10:36] <awilkins> I have an egg
[10:37] <awilkins> But I decided to fast until dinnertime today
[10:37] <awilkins> I even have some granary bread to toast, to put the egg on
[10:37] <daftykins> i've always liked egg, but it often makes me feel a bit funny. my mum found out she developed an allergy not long ago too :(
[10:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Apple Tree Day! :-)
[10:37] <awilkins> And bacon to go under the egg
[10:37]  * awilkins is just torturing himself at this point
[10:38] <awilkins> And tomatoes to grill and arrange around the toast to give the brown sauce something to drape itself over
[10:39] <daftykins> awilkins: now you're torturing me, SHTAP! :)
[10:39] <popey> mmmmmm tomatoes on toast
[10:39] <popey> wifey bought me some sardines for lunch
[10:46] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:48] <MooDoo> hello brobostigon
[10:51] <brobostigon> hello MooDoo
[11:00]  * davmor2 picks apples from the tree and throws them at JamesTait
[11:00]  * JamesTait makes apple crumble
[11:01] <MooDoo> davmor2: ah first violence of 2015 eh ;)
[11:01]  * daftykins provides the custard
[11:01] <JamesTait> \o/
[11:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: as if that is violent I'm just taller than JamesTait so I can reach the higher apples I'm helping him out for his apple crumble
[11:03] <MooDoo> davmor2: i sit corrected, much better use would be scrumpy cider i say!
[11:04] <davmor2> MooDoo: I refuse to promote drinking unless it is national scrumpy day
[11:04] <MooDoo> davmor2: your hard work this morning lol
[11:04] <nigelb> Is it National Apple Day?
[11:04] <nigelb> Ah, Apple Tree.
[11:05] <MooDoo> Happy Epiphany day?
[11:05] <davmor2> MooDoo: this morning????? every morning I hope ;)
[11:06] <MooDoo> lol
[11:06] <davmor2> JamesTait: man yesterday was national whipped cream day if every there was a topping for cold apple pie that was it
[11:06] <davmor2> bigcalm: how's the man flu?
[11:07] <JamesTait> davmor2, maybe I need an apprentice!
[11:07] <davmor2> JamesTait: no you do a wonderful impression of a bot
[11:08] <davmor2> MooDoo: My love runs cold, my memory has just been sold
[11:09] <popey> Right, where's the best place to watch this spacex take off and landing then?
[11:09] <davmor2> popey: Florida maybe?
[11:09] <bigcalm> davmor2: baka!
[11:09] <popey> spacex.com will do
[11:09] <popey> 11 mins till launch
[11:09] <bigcalm> davmor2: I'm back at work, I'll cope
[11:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: did you find somewhere for the SSD or is it still on the table?
[11:12] <MooDoo> popey: 36k watching it at the moment
[11:12] <bigcalm> Still on the dinning room table
[11:12] <popey> apparently so!
[11:12] <bigcalm> Pondering taking it to the new office
[11:12] <popey> exceiting!
[11:12] <popey> -typo
[11:12] <popey> bigcalm: SOTNIC ?
[11:12] <popey> SSD On Table, Not In Computer?
[11:13] <bigcalm> popey: expect the stream to fail at the most interesting point
[11:13] <davmor2> popey: lego super star destroyer
[11:13] <awilkins> My largest SSD is in an external drive cartridge plugged into the front panel of my desktop
[11:13] <awilkins> It was my work drive, used to carry it to work and plug it into the machine there on the eSATA
[11:14] <davmor2> awilkins: trust me this is a much bigger SSD see bigcalm's twitter/facebook feed
[11:14] <awilkins> ANd thus avoid the horrible privations of a corporate build of Windows
[11:15] <awilkins> That IS a big SSD
[11:15] <bigcalm> https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/550763324129181696
[11:16] <MooDoo> nice
[11:16] <popey> davmor2: ahhh! boooring! ☻
[11:16] <popey> not real space things!
[11:17] <davmor2> popey: it's big enough for weather balloon flight I bet ;) it might break a bit on touchdown though :)
[11:19] <MooDoo> range green
[11:19] <MooDoo> omg
[11:19] <MooDoo> stop the clock 1 min to go booooooooooooo
[11:19] <popey> doubt I could land my quadcopter on that giant platform in the sea
[11:19] <bigcalm> davmor2: the missing dimension is about 33cm wide
[11:19] <popey> let alone land a rocket stage on it
[11:20] <awilkins> Real space things : http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/#.VKvEy137s_t
[11:21] <popey> BOOOOOOO
[11:22] <MooDoo> friday 9th jan....booooooooooooooooooooooooo
[11:22] <awilkins> Aborted, darn
[11:26] <MooDoo> yeah with a min to go
[11:26] <MooDoo> next launch possibly on the 9th Jan
[11:27] <awilkins> At least it didn't abort like this : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-30690377
[11:29] <MooDoo> ouch
[11:33] <ali12341> watch https://gamesdonequick.com/ instead
[11:40] <popey> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-25055444
[11:40] <popey> that's good..
[12:46] <daftykins> you guys done much with IP cameras for surveillance/CCTV ? my friends own an art gallery and want to put a couple of cameras in their new place with the idea to watch them from home, too
[12:46] <diplo> I did a few years ago with Axis cameras
[12:47] <diplo> We had 35+ cameras from memory and wrote our own interface
[12:47] <diplo> But you can get their software which is probably more slick
[12:47] <daftykins> neat! :D are those the likes you'd find on ebay?
[12:48] <popey> no
[12:48] <popey> the axis ones are the spendy ones
[12:48] <popey> the ones on ebay are the cheapo chinese ones
[12:48] <diplo> Worth it overall though
[12:48] <daftykins> mmm, wannsview and the like. i see both though
[12:48] <daftykins> worth it to go premium?
[12:49] <diplo> We basically did some sums, to get a professional setup/do our own and somewhere in between and also cheap cameras
[12:49] <diplo> And we tested a few cheaper ones and had more failures/problems with them than anything
[12:49] <popey> the cheapo ones generally don't have decent enough picture quality to identify a person unless they're looking right at it in good light
[12:49] <diplo> Its been a few years mind now, they could have gone downhill :D
[12:49] <czajkowski> we have some cheap ones in the garden for watching the hens
[12:49] <czajkowski> works a treat
[12:49] <czajkowski> we also have one night time one also which is motion detected.
[12:50] <popey> but if it's just for keeping an eye, the cheapo ones are okay
[12:50] <diplo> http://www.axis.com/products/cam_210/
[12:50] <czajkowski> popey: aye
[12:50] <diplo> Are the ones you used all over and we had higher quality ones for specific areas and night vision ones for other areas
[12:50] <daftykins> just saw a 210 on ebay for £80 each :>
[12:50] <diplo> Actually used the footage a few times for the police
[12:51] <daftykins> erk!
[12:51] <diplo> About 200-300 each new from memory ?
[12:51] <daftykins> central hotspot eh? ;)
[12:52] <diplo> :)
[12:52] <diplo> Nah it was actually Jewsons on the back of us, there was a gap between us and them and the bad people used to use that area ( the camera was hidden )
[12:56] <daftykins> magic, well thanks all i'll give that a gander
[14:11] <awilkins> ?? apport just reported that /sbin/init crashed
[14:11] <awilkins> How is my computer still up?
[14:12] <awilkins> Out of stack.. .probably because I got an Ant job to run a squillion copies of jarsigner simultaneously
[14:21] <wifihelp> good morning UK :)
[14:23] <wifihelp> Someone know how I can see my network signal??
[14:23] <wifihelp> Wifi signal quality..
[14:24] <popey> kismet is quite good for that
[14:24] <popey> needs a little configuring
[14:25] <wifihelp> I know airodump-ng can do it..
[14:25] <wifihelp> but i want something that simple..
[14:28] <awilkins> wifi-rader
[14:28] <awilkins> radat
[14:28] <awilkins> ARRGAGHAG
[14:28] <awilkins> widi-radar
[14:28] <awilkins> Oh for heavens sakes
[14:28]  * awilkins slaps self
[14:28] <awilkins> wifi-radar
[14:28] <wifihelp> iwlist can do it nice, but i dont know how to get only one SSID
[14:28]  * popey also slaps awilkins
[14:28] <daftykins> ^
[14:28] <daftykins> doesn't kismet still exist?
[14:29] <daftykins> !info kismet
[14:29] <daftykins> sure does
[14:29] <wifihelp> I need CLI tool..
[14:29] <wifihelp> ubuntu server...
[14:29] <popey> kismet is a cli tool.
[14:29]  * daftykins tuts
[14:29] <popey> nm-tool gives you a basic output
[14:30] <wifihelp> I know.. but It's OVER KILL to run it only to get signal quality..
[14:31] <popey> so maybe use nm-tool?
[14:31] <daftykins> we're giving options, you can make sense of them as you will
[14:31] <wifihelp> nm-tool only work if you are connected...
[14:31] <daftykins> maybe if you gave us an idea of what you're trying to achieve, we can advise better
[14:32] <wifihelp> make script that will show me signal quality of specific AP.
[14:32] <popey> no
[14:32] <popey> nm-tool shows all access points
[14:33] <popey> well, last time I tried it did
[14:33] <popey> now it's not showing anything here
[14:33] <daftykins> oh dear, my cat just saw neighbour cat through the window again
[14:34] <wifihelp> popey: you can show me what to do with nm-tool.
[14:34] <popey> well, it's not working here, which I'm looking into
[14:35] <popey> how about "iwlist scan" ?
[14:35] <popey> that shows every access point and signal
[14:35] <wifihelp> popey: I'm really love the iwlist.
[14:35] <wifihelp> but i can make it spesific..
[14:35] <popey> que?
[14:35] <awilkins> Anyone else running into occasions when /dev/random just doesn't have enough entropy in it?
[14:36] <popey> awilkins: yeah, you can buy entroy keys / devices
[14:36] <wifihelp> so I'm get lots of networks..
[14:36] <awilkins> Doing a Java build that signs a lot of jars. jarsigner eats /dev/random
[14:36] <Myrtti> $timeofday
[14:36] <awilkins> Have installed `randomsound`
[14:36] <wifihelp> there is a war to parse it?
[14:36] <awilkins> Which samples your mike for whitenoise and injects entropy from that
[14:37] <awilkins> Built time without : 30 minutes plus
[14:37] <awilkins> Build time with : 2 minutes
[14:37] <popey> wifihelp: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=88967 looks handy
[14:38] <wifihelp> popey: in ubuntu iwlist looks crazy!!
[14:38] <popey> sudo wpa_cli scan_results
[14:38] <popey> thats also neat
[14:38] <popey> much easier to read
[14:40] <wifihelp> look very nice..
[14:41] <wifihelp> but I'm getting the signal in DB
[14:41] <wifihelp> what is -68 in present?
[14:43] <daftykins> 'present' ?
[14:43] <daftykins> wifihelp: seriously, what are you trying to achieve... it'd make this to-and-fro so much easier
[14:45] <wifihelp> there is a problem with "wpa_cli scan_results"
[14:46] <wifihelp> It's not update in real time..
[14:46] <daftykins> watch -n 0.1 'wpa_cli scan_results'
[14:46] <daftykins> or something
[14:47] <daftykins> wifihelp: so c'mon, gonna share what you're up to to make life easier on us? :)
[14:47] <wifihelp> monitor some network
[14:48] <daftykins> ...
[14:48] <wifihelp> be able to see any drops / problems and make log
[14:48] <popey> better using something like kismet ☻
[14:48] <popey> it has this stuff built in ☻
[14:48] <daftykins> ^
[14:49] <wifihelp> sudo apt-get install kissmet ?
[14:49] <wifihelp> or there is a better way?
[14:50] <wifihelp> 26 sec..
[14:50] <daftykins> kismet
[14:50] <daftykins> no that way is fine, that's how you install software CLI
[14:50] <wifihelp> 14 sec..
[14:50] <daftykins> it's only 1918KB.
[14:50] <daftykins> are you on 56k? :D
[14:50] <wifihelp> I mean like ppa or compile the last version...
[14:51] <daftykins> neither are the ubuntu way
[14:54] <popey> just installed it here. works nicely. not use it for a while.
[14:56] <daftykins> neat
[14:56] <popey> https://imgur.com/4AvWglk sweet!
[14:57] <daftykins> how rude!
[14:57] <daftykins> neighbours i presume? :>
[14:57] <popey> yeah
[15:22] <Myrtti> popping candy chocolate ♥
[15:23] <popey> hmm. pork scratching belch
[15:28] <Myrtti> ew
[15:32] <MooDoo> :)
[15:39] <daftykins> there used to be these really nice biltong packets in a local pub, but they've not been sold for months now :(
[15:39] <diddledan> morning
[15:39] <popey> moin
[15:39] <daftykins> o/
[16:04] <awilkins> High quality jerky is hard to come by
[16:04] <awilkins> There's a stall in Leeds market that does nice biltong (vouched for by a SA expat) for nice prices
[16:06] <wifihelp> how i can make a loop in bash that run only 5 times?
[16:08] <daftykins> yeah my mates dad is from SA so they know the good stuff apparently :>
[16:09] <awilkins> Have considered making my own
[16:10] <awilkins> wifihelp, for I in $(seq 0 4) ; do echo stuff ; done
[16:11] <wifihelp> mmm
[16:13] <wifihelp> work!
[16:50] <shauno> I gotta say, the ubuntu software center is kinda .. odd
[16:50] <shauno> eg, it seems it won't actually remove libreoffice
[16:51] <bashrc> maybe it got attached to it
[16:53] <daftykins> ^ couldn't stand to see it go
[16:54] <diddledan> dammit, linkedin just spammed my entire addressbook
[16:55] <diddledan> uncheck the people you don't want to send message to, linkedin will still spam them
[16:55] <daftykins> =[
[16:55] <shauno> why does linkedin have your address book?
[17:00] <diddledan> well, see, here's the thing. they tell you they won't spam people
[17:01] <shauno> but they've been lying since day 1.
[17:02] <diddledan> specific text used: " We'll never email anyone without your permission."
[17:03] <diddledan> they seem to take permission ot email one person as permission to email everyone
[17:05] <shauno> I guess you gave them permission to 'email anyone'
[17:07] <shauno> and now it'll be asking them to recommend your bricklaying skills on your behalf or something :)
[17:09] <diddledan> indeed
[17:09] <diddledan> I'm a good bricklayer, btw
[17:11] <shauno> btw, what's the browser that seems to just name itself "web browser" ?
[17:12] <diddledan> no idea
[17:15] <shauno> I think it's going to be easier just to figure out how to build kicad on osx
[17:17] <shauno> I'd love to know where this thing thinks my apostrophe key is :/
[17:20] <shauno> ahhh.  it's on alt-b.  which also seems to open up some launcher thingie.
[17:22] <diddledan> eh? what are you using/doing?
[17:25] <mapp> still not figured out why my stupid pi turns off
[17:25] <diddledan> mapp, turns off completely or reboobs?
[17:25] <diddledan> as in power-cycle reboob
[17:26] <diddledan> I've found that plugging or unplugging a usb device on one of mine will cause it to reboob but once it's back-up the usb I plugged-in works as expected
[17:26] <bigcalm> mapp: power supply not up to the job?
[17:32] <shauno> diddledan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7nru1dwTwk
[17:34] <diddledan> shauno, well it's your fault for having a weird gf :-p
[17:35] <diddledan> really we need to make the slovaks(it was slovak?) speak english then it'll make much more sense
[17:35] <shauno> that's not slovak, it's the "mac international" layout
[17:35] <shauno> well
[17:35] <shauno> that's what it says on the tin
[17:35] <diddledan> yeah, but you've done it so that you can type weird things
[17:35] <shauno> heh, no, I've done it so it has the keys in the same place as my laptop :)
[17:36] <diddledan> eww
[17:36] <diddledan> your laptop isn't british english?
[17:37] <shauno> that appears to be equally hilarious
[17:37] <diddledan> oh, well then you're **ggered
[17:37] <diddledan> the ubuntu keylayout for british english mac is close enough
[17:37] <diddledan> the ` is on the wrong key tho
[17:37] <shauno> ooh, oh no, uk mac has an apostrophe on the apostrophe key!
[17:38] <diddledan> the ` and § keys are back asswards
[17:38] <shauno> uk mac international has a grave accent
[17:38] <shauno> (which does not correspond to any keyboard apple have made this side of osx)
[17:39] <shauno> hm.  but no # key
[17:39] <shauno> I ...
[17:40] <diddledan> # is alt+3
[17:40] <diddledan> just the same as os x
[17:40] <diddledan> shift+3 on us layout
[17:40] <shauno> alt-3 is doing something odd in bash, it's giving me a prompt (arg:3)
[17:42] <diddledan> right-alt
[17:42] <diddledan> ubuntu likes to use the two alts independantly
[17:42] <shauno> ooh, so it is
[17:43] <diddledan> so left-alt+3 is similar to ctrl+3 in that it executes a shortcut, right-alt+3 does alternative keybinding
[17:43] <shauno> left-alt is meta?
[17:44] <diddledan> nope, the cmd key is still meta
[17:44] <shauno> hm.
[17:44] <diddledan> left-alt does things with menus in gui
[17:44] <shauno> this would be much more logical if it actually used the alt key as an alt key, instead of trying to emulate whatever quackery windows uses it for
[17:45] <diddledan> left-alt+f opens the file menu for example, whereas right-alt+f does đ
[17:45] <shauno> (eg, the reason it says 'alternate' rather than 'menu' on it)
[17:46] <shauno> so the alternate f is ƒ, not File
[17:47] <diddledan> o_O right-alt+f gives me "đ"
[17:47] <shauno> lol
[17:48] <shauno> so I need to find a keyboard layout that's basically the US layout on an iso keyboard
[17:48] <diddledan> this is with "uk, macintosh"
[17:48] <shauno> yeah, I'm not typing this from ubuntu
[17:48] <diddledan> aah
[17:48] <diddledan> you suck then :-p
[17:49] <shauno> well, if I can get ubuntu to support keyboards, maybe I could ;)
[17:49]  * diddledan "presents" ready for the suckage
[17:49] <diddledan> oh myyy
[17:49] <diddledan> family friendly
[17:49] <diddledan> family friendlyu
[17:50]  * diddledan starts rocking slightly while repeating that over and over
[17:50] <shauno> btw, have you ever seen the slovak keymap?
[17:50] <diddledan> I'm not sure I even want to try
[17:50] <shauno> it's hilarious.  they stuck more letters on the top row.  so the digit 1 is shift-1
[17:51] <diddledan> o_O
[17:51] <diddledan> yeah, they're all wackos
[17:51] <diddledan> what's wrong with western a-z and that's it?!
[17:56] <shauno> hm.  luckily this doesn't seem to understand what a no-break space is, because the slovak keymap is using it instead of a regular space
[18:12] <shauno> I don't suppose there's an option anywhere to get left-alt to act as alt?  or at least switch the two alt keys?
[18:13] <popey> que?
[18:13] <popey> left alt _is_ alt
[18:14] <shauno> well, eg; trying to use kicad - the shortcut for zoom out is alt+f2
[18:14] <diddledan> popey, not on the macintosh layouts at least - left-alt operates the application menus, whereas the right-alt does things like accented characters
[18:14] <shauno> if I do left-alt + f2 I get a dash style window saying 'run a command', right-alt + f2 zooms out
[18:14] <popey> ho ho ho
[18:15] <shauno> I'm not using a mac layout atm - I gave up on that.  I'm using English (US) currently because I figured it'd be one people have actually used
[18:49] <diddledan> I can't believe gamergate is still a thing
[18:49] <diddledan> https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/01/06/gamergate-critic-swatted-about-20-cops-go-to-old-address/
[18:50] <diddledan> I still haven't managed to work out what the two supposedly opposing viewpoints are and which side holds which view
[19:06] <diddledan> graffiti is completely out of control: https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10906126_1011621208858890_7750560742328629258_n.jpg?oh=e83f5ee697fa6c04e3dc9ea67b90a7cd&oe=5541D46B
[19:45] <ali12341> diddledan: there are no "viewpoints", it's just a playground fight between a bunch of kids and a bunch of people who act like kids
[19:59] <diddledan> so if there are no viewpoints how can one be pro gamergate or against gamergate?
[20:00] <diddledan> e.g the girl in the sophos link I posted
[20:00] <diddledan> she apparently changed sides
[20:03] <ali12341> easy, you just say you've changed sides?
[20:04] <diddledan> I just don't understand
[20:04] <diddledan> my brain is too small
[20:08] <ali12341> there is nothing to understand
[20:08] <diddledan> if it really is as frivolous as that to have no ideological decision then why are there incidents where the SWAT are called-in?
[20:08] <diddledan> devisiion**
[20:08] <diddledan> division**
[20:08] <ali12341> because that is the kind of thing children do
[20:11] <diddledan> that isn't an explanation, that's a get-out
[20:11] <ali12341> well, what more explanation do you want?
[20:12] <diddledan> ok, brian in his basement is on one side. what justification does he come up with in his puny mind to swat some random internet dweller and why does he choose that particular internetist
[20:13] <ali12341> brian is twelve and has absolutely no impulse control
[20:16] <ali12341> or perhaps more accurately, brian is 18-30, has no job and no chance of getting one, is forced to live with parents, and basically has nothing to lose
[20:18] <diddledan> there has to be some decision over who to swat though, so what is he using for his comparison between potentials to decide who is most "worthy"?
[20:18] <ali12341> if you read the article, the decision was made by whoever's post ended in doubles
[20:18] <ali12341> if you're not familiar with 4chan, every post has a numeric ID
[20:19] <ali12341> if the ID ends in the same two digits it's "doubles" and considered lucky
[20:20] <diddledan> and breaking it down to "well they're on the other side" - when someone ascribes to a side what logic are they using to decide which side they want to be part of?
[20:21] <diddledan> and if one is a "gamergate critic" what exactly are you being critical of?
[20:21] <ali12341> gamergate critics are left-wing progressive pseudo-intellectuals
[20:22] <ali12341> gamegate supporters are basically tea-party republicans except not 60 years old
[20:22] <ali12341> you might as well ask how people decide who to vote for
[20:22] <diddledan> no
[20:23] <ali12341> no?
[20:23] <diddledan> deciding who to vote for is a personal morality choice based on what each party says they're going to work on in the next term
[20:24] <diddledan> political parties have ideals - you're saying gamergate and non-gamergate don't
[20:24] <ali12341> lol yeah right
[20:25] <ali12341> do honestly you think the majority of people actually choose a political party that way?
[20:25] <ali12341> no, (anti)GG both have ideals, they are in fact both hardcore idealists
[20:25] <ali12341> but hardcore idealism is stupid and always has been
 diddledan: there are no "viewpoints"
[20:26] <diddledan> surely your two statements there are contra
[20:26] <ali12341> there is always a viewpoint of some kind
[20:26] <ali12341> due to the subjective nature of reality
[20:27] <ali12341> that is individual to each person though
[20:28] <ali12341> in fact each side attempts to stereotype the other, to boil down the wide range of viewpoint the other holds, and that is the source of most of the animosity
[20:29] <diddledan> ok. which side should I join?
[20:29] <ali12341> neither
[20:29] <diddledan> which side holds closest to my ideology?
[20:30] <ali12341> i hope neither of them
[20:32] <diddledan> ok, a different question: what is it that each side hates about the other?
[20:33] <ali12341> in general or specifically?
[20:33] <ali12341> in general the answer is the same as what the left wing and the right wing hate about each other
[20:36] <diddledan> so it's socialism vs capitalism?
[20:37] <ali12341> no, it's the other axis on the political compass
[20:37] <ali12341> because that is an economic argument
[20:37] <ali12341> while this is about social policy
[20:37] <daftykins> damn it diddledan, this topic again? ;)
[20:37] <ali12341> it's progressive vs conservative
[20:38] <diddledan> aah, gays getting married vs damned for eternity?
[20:38] <ali12341> yeah that kind of stuff
[20:39] <ali12341> do you remember the gay cake row from last year?
[20:39] <diddledan> I say up gay rights. and up yours, too.
[20:39] <diddledan> :-p

[20:40] <diddledan> daftykins, run. run away.
[20:41] <daftykins> i'm a pedallin'!
[20:41] <diddledan> I really don't like not being able to quantify something
[20:41] <ali12341> are you familiar with reddit at all?
[20:42]  * daftykins makes a rude gesture regarding reddit
[20:42] <ali12341> i mean the history of the site
[20:43] <daftykins> please go on, even though i'm hijacking the convo
[20:43] <diddledan> I know it exists and is generally completely useless when it shows up in a google resultset
[20:43] <ali12341> well, i' not going to attempt to explain it
[20:43] <shauno> daftykins: oh do hijack it it - save us all!
[20:43] <ali12341> it's a large and complex issue
[20:43] <daftykins> shauno: :D
[20:43] <ali12341> but a lot of it stems from there
[20:44] <bashrc> Is Ubuntu Good for Gaming? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ_dhe5zSjI
[20:44] <diddledan> bashrc, yes
[20:44] <daftykins> i think *that* topic should be left in 2014
[20:45] <ali12341> lol that video
[20:46] <shauno> my understanding is that one side are trying to make a somewhat reasonable point, but the most vocal of them are making it in a very unreasonable manner
[20:46] <ali12341> shauno: that applies to both sides
[20:46] <shauno> and the other side are completeing missing this point because said 'unreasonable manner' is so distractacting
[20:46] <bashrc> some of those videos are hillarious
[20:46] <ali12341> they almost perfectly mirror each other, actually
[20:47] <daftykins> i can't get past the voices personally
[20:47] <bashrc> and the cheesy smile
[20:47] <diddledan> huh. I don't get that video
[20:48] <ali12341> the thing is, nobody sensible wants anything to do with either side. and rightly so
[20:48] <diddledan> which side of gamergate is it on, bashrc ? :-p
[20:48] <bashrc> I've no idea, just found it funny
[20:48] <daftykins> diddledan: careful, we don't want to have a chat about cartoon cleavage
[20:49] <bashrc> the elevator music in the background too
[20:49] <diddledan> it doesn't make much sense as a conversation
[20:49] <daftykins> so did anyone have anything interesting happen today?
[20:49] <bashrc> exactly
[20:54] <shauno> I tried to use ubuntu today :)  that was interesting.  and funny.  and sad.
[20:55] <daftykins> shauno: oh my, how so?
[20:56] <bashrc> why sad?
[20:56] <shauno> I had to get diddledan to help me figure out how to type an apostrophe :|
[20:57] <diddledan> lol
[20:57] <ali12341> that's only because you have a silly mac keyboard
[20:57] <bashrc> ugh
[20:57] <bashrc> still, if you can run ubuntu on a mac then that's a win
[20:58] <shauno> oh it was in a VM.  I still can't get it working sensibly on bare metal.  that's a much longer story  lol
[20:58] <diddledan> I've never had problems running ubuntu on any mac I've owned
[20:58] <bashrc> how old is the hardware?
[20:58] <shauno> 2011
[20:59] <bashrc> so not that old, I expect ubuntu would run pretty well
[20:59] <bashrc> although being in a VM would slow it down
[21:00] <shauno> I think it's actually better in a VM
[21:00] <shauno> leaving OSX in charge of the power management works out a whole lot better
[21:01] <bashrc> I'd eliminate the closed source middle OS
[21:01] <shauno> ideally.  but the free OS is has lousy power management
[21:02] <shauno> if I remove the 2nd hdd & stick an optical drive back in there (I said it was a long story :), I can install it with bios emulation
[21:03] <daftykins> ubuntu is said to vary wildly on macs
[21:04] <shauno> that way, my main issues are that trackpad support is still sorely lacking, and the lack of control over the gmux means it's hot & hungry (buh byes battery)
[21:04] <diddledan> I wonder if I worked out which board had the ram chips in my mac and I soldered bigger ones on in their stead whether I would have a working macbook pro with moar rams or a doorstop
[21:04] <daftykins> ah yes, picky EFI only gives up certain things to a MBR emulated install?
[21:05] <shauno> yeah.  the gmux is accessed via the efi.  it simply can't touch it at all via bios emulation
[21:05] <shauno> (the switching circuitry for the gpus)
[21:05] <daftykins> that an optimus one?
[21:05] <diddledan> apple
[21:05] <shauno> afiak apple have their own magic for this bit (it's the same deal whether you have amd or nvidia)
[21:06] <shauno> but back when I tried this, my battery lasted for 8-9 hours under OSX, ~2 hours under XP, and 30-40 minutes under linux
[21:06] <daftykins> oh not nvidia optimus
[21:07] <daftykins> heh
[21:07] <daftykins> that old 2007 macbook i tried? both xubuntu and ubuntu 14.04 had wildly wrong keyboard layouts
[21:07] <shauno> yeah.  that's what I was having fun with this afternoon
[21:08] <shauno> I have every belief whoever wrote those keymaps, has no idea what a mac is, let alone which keys are where.
[21:08] <daftykins> and the touchpad would only move the pointer if you laid down a whole finger segment at once
[21:09] <zmoylan-pi> or wanted to make rich macbook owners suffer :-)
[21:09] <shauno> I've been trying on & off for years to boot with efi, which should solve the power issue.  but so far I can't get the screen to turn on
[21:12] <mapp> just starteds watching american mary..sounds interesting
[21:12] <daftykins> every laptop i tried out a Linux on i never saw good battery life, never really believed it was possible to get it to match the Windows being on
[21:13] <shauno> the first laptop I put linux on, I could get suspend-to-disk working, but not resume-from-disk.  every laptop I've owned since has been a mac, so it's never got much better  heh
[21:15] <shauno> anyway.  wasn't meant to be a rant, I was just taking dafty's bait for a topic change :)
[21:16] <daftykins> \o/
[21:28] <zmoylan-pi> my current system is hp netbook from when netbooks were a thing a few years back.  gets 12 hours on xubuntu
[21:29] <zmoylan-pi> such a slow processor though...
[21:31] <daftykins> mmhmm, you must either be a very patient man, or very bald ;)
[21:32] <daftykins> ok i gotta run, nn all \o
[21:32] <diddledan> oh, so you're the one who bought a netbook then?
[21:32] <daftykins> diddledan: ^5
[21:37] <zmoylan-pi> everyone bought netbooks for their kids.  i wanted one for me as it suits me better than full laptop
[21:37] <diddledan> short legs?
[21:38] <zmoylan-pi> long commute on public transport
[21:38] <diddledan> aah
[21:38] <zmoylan-pi> my sony laptop couldn't handle dublin bus
[21:40] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B008AIBJFE/ novel
[21:40] <diddledan> https://plus.google.com/u/0/110631631855327986587/posts/8ysMDHLYjGX?pid=6101252548880195474&oid=110631631855327986587
[21:40] <diddledan> popey, that only works if you're awake during the day to open the curtains :-p
[21:40] <popey> kitchen has no curtains ☻
[21:40] <popey> and is south facing
[21:41] <zmoylan-pi> it sat in back back with 2" towel below it (hitchhikers fan) 1" on all sides and .5" on top.  case cracked by emergency stop while i was on top deck.
[22:04] <diddledan> the text-adventure p0rn looks exciting: http://gizmodo.com/2-400-ms-dos-games-are-now-free-online-some-of-them-ar-1677816759?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_facebook&utm_source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
[22:28] <diddledan> so you can download any of the games available at archive.org by taking the "stream" url and ripping off the ?query-string bits and replacing the first directory of /stream/ to /cors/
[22:30] <diddledan> e.g. simcity: https://archive.org/stream/msdos_SimCity_1989/SimCity_1989.zip?module=dosbox&scale=2 becomes: https://archive.org/cors/msdos_SimCity_1989/SimCity_1989.zip
[22:30] <zmoylan-pi> i played that a lot...
[22:30] <zmoylan-pi> found it on a customers pc
[22:31] <ali12341> duke nukem 3d is on the current humble bundle for native linux on steam
[22:31] <shauno> there's a *lot* of that kinda stuff on archive.org
[22:33] <diddledan> shauno, see my gizmodo link above
[22:33] <diddledan> 2400 dos games
[22:33] <zmoylan-pi> you could have that on a 7" tablet...
[22:34] <shauno> diddledan: that's nothing :)   try https://archive.org/details/tosec
[22:35] <diddledan> wow, 3.6TB
[22:35] <diddledan> 466k items
[22:35] <zmoylan-pi> could take a while to find what you want
[22:36] <shauno> and it'll quite happily give you, eg, a 31GB zip of everything they have for the amiga
[22:38] <shauno> "back in my day" 'abandonware' sites were dodgy  lol
[22:38] <diddledan> yeah, hotu was my goto site
[22:38] <diddledan> home-of-the-underdogs
[22:38] <zmoylan-pi> world of spectrum was where i went for the classics
[22:39] <shauno> (there's also https://archive.org/details/internetarcade )
[22:42] <diddledan> they look to be downloadable with my method above
[22:42] <shauno> I'm sure if you mangle the right url, it'll probably just give you a zip of everything :)
[22:43] <zmoylan-pi> 3.6tb in a zip... this a job for winzip!! :-P
[22:45] <diddledan> lol @ three stooges arcade "stand in front of the stooge you want to be, and wiggle his joystick"
[22:45] <zmoylan-pi> though i suspect i have a floppy with pkunzip.exe 2.04g here on a floppy if i really really looked
[22:48] <shauno> lol dan .. well they say you coming
[22:54] <shauno> er, *saw
[22:57] <diddledan> the msdos games - I have managed to get it to give me this: https://ia601408.us.archive.org/3/items/softwarelibrary_msdos_games/
[22:58] <diddledan> e.g. the .torrent
[22:58] <shauno> no you haven't
[22:59] <diddledan> hmm, the torrent only includes the files in that folder tho - so useless
[22:59] <shauno> :)
[22:59] <shauno> it's way too small to even include hashes for all those files, let alone the droids you're looking for
[23:49] <m0nkey_> Greetings from Burlington ON
[23:51] <diddledan> what you doing in burlington?
[23:52] <shauno> stealing wifis
[23:52] <m0nkey_> Lol
[23:52] <diddledan> I'm sure his own wifi won't approve of that
[23:53] <zmoylan-pi> ungrateful hussie
[23:54] <diddledan> just don't suggest wifi swapping
[23:54] <m0nkey_> I'm here for work. In the middle of nowhere.
[23:54] <diddledan> joy
[23:55] <shauno> isn't everywhere in canadia the middle of nowhere?
[23:55] <m0nkey_> Unless you're in a city... Yes, it is
[23:55] <shauno> I had a customer phone up trying to find batteries for a norwegian UPS .. in nova scotia
[23:55] <shauno> this was my lesson in "good lord, there's *nothing there at all*"
[23:55] <m0nkey_> Oh and the previous occupant of this hotel room forgot some skimpy underwear.
[23:56] <shauno> it's all just trees, moose and poutine
[23:56] <diddledan> m0nkey_, try it on
[23:56] <m0nkey_> Too small for me. Whoever she was, she was slim.
[23:56] <diddledan> maybe she left in a hurry
[23:56] <m0nkey_> Maybe
[23:56] <diddledan> the dude's wife probably turned up
[23:57] <shauno> or a black binbag</clarkson>
[23:57] <diddledan> o_O


[00:12] <jml> sidnei: thanks
[02:19] <dhastha> need help:  What is the actual command to run launchpad documentation? I used   "bin/test -vv -m lp.translations -t name-of-the-file.txt"
[02:20] <dhastha> but it shows /usr/bin/test: extra argument `-m'
[02:31] <dhastha> wgrant, How to run documentation using  /bin/test ?
[02:33] <wgrant> dhastha: bin/test -vvt name-of-the-file.txt
[02:36] <dhastha> wgrant, it return /usr/bin/test: missing argument after `browser-helpers.txt
[02:38] <wgrant> dhastha: Why is it running /usr/bin/test?
[02:38] <wgrant> It should be running ./bin/test
[02:38] <wgrant> Which directory are you in?
[02:41] <dhastha> wgrant,     Am in  ~/launchpad/lp-branches/devel/lib/lp/translations/doc. I have to run txt files in this. I already used ./bin/test   but it return bash: ./bin/test: No such file or directory
[02:42] <wgrant> dhastha: cd ../../../..
[02:47] <dhastha> wgrant, Now am in dhastha@dhastha-desktop:/$.     ./bin does not have test. It returns ./bin/test: No such file or directory
[02:47] <wgrant> dhastha: That should have taken you to ~/launchpad/lp-branches/devel, not to /.
[02:55] <dhastha> wgrant, see this error:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/412381/
[02:56] <wgrant> dhastha: -t, not -m
[02:57] <dhastha> wgrant, Running tests at level 1
[02:57] <dhastha> Total: 0 tests, 0 failures, 0 errors in 0.000 seconds.
[02:57] <dhastha> ** 1 import policy violations **
[02:57] <dhastha> There were 1 imports of names not appearing in the __all__.
[02:57] <dhastha> You should not import copy_field from lazr.restful.declarations:
[02:57] <dhastha>     lp.registry.interfaces.distribution
[02:59] <wgrant> dhastha: Your test specification did not match any tests.
[02:59] <wgrant> bin/test -vvt brwoser.helpers.txt
[02:59] <wgrant> s/brwoser/browser/
[02:59] <wgrant> And also s/./-/
[03:01] <wgrant> dhastha: Why did you add the '-m lp-translation'?
[03:03] <dhastha> wgrant, Mr. Danilos told me  to run document using  "bin/test -vv -m lp.translations -t name-of-the-file.txt .
[03:08] <wgrant> dhastha: 1) the '-m BLAH' isn't normally necessary -- it just restricts which modules are searched in; and 2) 'lp.translations' != 'lp-translation'
[03:13] <dhastha> wgrant, can u see this pls  http://paste.ubuntu.com/412385/
[03:14] <wgrant> dhastha: The test ran successfuly.
[06:40] <thumper> mwhudson: it seems that the kernel import on staging is taking longer than an hour to get onto the worker causing a keyboard interrupt, and killing the import
[06:40] <thumper> mwhudson: we should take a look at the branch on the import slave
[06:40] <thumper> mwhudson: an hour seems somewhat excessive to grab the branch from another internal server
[07:00] <wgrant> win 18
[07:00] <wgrant> Argh.
[12:28] <mwhudson> thumper: i d
[12:28] <mwhudson> thumper: there are a few things we can do about that
[12:28] <mwhudson> not build a working tree, stacking
[14:36] <jml> sidnei: one of my zope patches has been landed and released, btw
[14:38] <lifeless> cool
[14:39] <jml> which means I'm still blocked on getting the other patch landed
[14:41] <lifeless> :(
[21:37] <thumper> morning
[23:21] <adiroiban> hi, can someone help me and send this branch to ec2-test lp:~adiroiban/launchpad/bug-548999? Thanks!
[23:22] <wgrant> james_w: Don't we just need to change SPRB to send the append_version properly?
[23:22] <james_w> wgrant: yep
[23:23] <james_w> shouldn't really be a difficult change
[23:23] <wgrant> RIght.
[23:23]  * wgrant just had a thought: didn't we discuss in Wellington having a special PPA with a non-ancient bzr-builder? We don't have facilities to do that yet...
[23:25] <james_w> yeah, I don't remember if that was the solution we decided would be best


[04:33] <jono> hey all
[04:34] <jono> do you know if I need to do anything special in a new Quickly app to display translations once I have my po/ dir working correctly and ahve wrapped the strings in _("") ?
[06:36] <Mirv> so is "Type your command" now translated for any of you? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/955985 has had Fix Released, there have been new langpacks, but it's still in English for me?
[06:36] <Mirv> jono: possibly set the gettext domain so that the translations are fetched from the correct .mo file?
[06:49] <artnay> Mirv: it's not
[07:13] <kelemengabor> Mirv: we have bug #964074 about that
[07:14] <Mirv> kelemengabor: ah, thanks
[07:32] <dpm> good morning everyone
[07:40] <trijntje> morning
[07:48] <dpm> morning trijntje
[08:15] <kelemengabor> yay: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/update-notifier/precise/view/head:/debian/rules
[08:15] <kelemengabor> this much about the last minute strings in u-n :(
[08:58] <dpm> hey kelemengabor, good morning! What's up with that? ^ I'm missing a bit of context
[08:58] <kelemengabor> dpm: there was a mail to the list that some new strings arrived
[08:58] <kelemengabor> well, they didn't
[08:59] <kelemengabor> because there is no pot file being generated
[09:01] <dpm> kelemengabor, oh, I remember the e-mail. Do you know if the fact that the .pot file is not being generated is something new, or whether it had never been generated in u-n?
[09:02] <kelemengabor> well, looking at the history of the debian/rules file, it was changed after Lucid to not generate it
[09:04] <kelemengabor> but I'm on it, it is already fixed in my local branch :)
[09:04] <kelemengabor> I'm filing a bug
[09:10]  * dpm high-fives kelemengabor
[09:24] <kelemengabor> there is something strange with synaptic: in theory, it has been set up for "universe translation", yet its import queue is empty:
[09:24] <kelemengabor> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/synaptic/precise/revision/124#debian/rules
[09:33] <dpm> hm yeah, we'd probably need to check whether the package actually builds the po file
[09:39] <kelemengabor> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/101000860/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-i386.synaptic_0.75.9_BUILDING.txt.gz has this part:
[09:39] <kelemengabor> # ubuntu specific for universe langpacks but will not do any
[09:39] <kelemengabor> #  harm on debian
[09:40] <kelemengabor> make -C po synaptic.pot
[09:40] <kelemengabor> but after that, no real pot building seems to happen
[09:46] <dpm> let me mention it to mvo...
[12:59] <Jessica_Lily> dpm: Hey, you know the bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/824094) Do I need to do this, I believe it hasen't been fixed.
[13:10] <dpm> hi Jessica_Lily, I'd recommend talking to the en_GB translators about the status
[13:10] <dpm> I think someone wanted to do the changes, but never replied back on whether they had been actually been done or not
[13:19] <Jessica_Lily> hmm
[13:19] <Jessica_Lily> where do i talk to them at?
[16:05] <kelemengabor> dpm: I just realized that I won't be able to attend the meeting tomorrow - sorry, I'll be out of office most of the day
[17:32] <dpm> hi kelemengabor, sorry for the late reply, I've been having calls all afternoon. No worries, and thanks for letting me know!
[17:33] <dpm> kelemengabor, if you've got any updates and if you have some minutes to make sure the Trello board is up-to-date on your side, that'd be great as well
[17:36] <kelemengabor> dpm: I think the board is in good shape
[17:50] <dpm> cool, thanks kelemengabor
[17:50] <dpm> and with this, I'll call it a day. See you all tomorrow!
[19:22] <Geochr> Hi all, i reported a translation bug in Launchpad since 7/4/2012 but the importance is still "Undecided". Is there something wrong in the report ?
[19:23] <Geochr> The bug is the following:
[19:23] <Geochr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/975970


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[03:07] <valorie> just filed the bug against Konvi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/konversation/+bug/1635911
[03:08] <valorie> I was surprised that we don't offer the latest
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[08:02] <sheytan> Hey! Are the standard kubuntu ppas somehow hardcoded into kubuntu now? They were always on the list of "Other software" tab in Software properties but now i can't find them there. Even downloaded a clean iso to check this :D
[08:12] <acheronuk> kubuntu ppas will only be there if you yourself add them post install. it has never been any other way
[10:09] <ahoneybun> mm I wish there was a way to copy a panel
[12:03] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:51] <ahoneybun> valorie: I'm thinking of taking a night flight back
[12:52] <ahoneybun> gives me plenty of time to see the city
[13:14] <clivejo> santa_: are you around?
[13:22] <santa_> clivejo: pong
[13:22] <santa_> what happened?
[13:22] <clivejo> hi, are you aware of the kdeconnect packaging?
[13:22] <santa_> nope
[13:22] <santa_> but I'm using it
[13:22] <santa_> what do you want to do?
[13:23] <clivejo> when it was ported to KF5, kubuntu started to package it as kdeconnect-plasma
[13:24] <clivejo> but upstream (KDE) didnt go with that and it remained the same, so Debian have recently updated the old packaging for the KF5 version
[13:25] <clivejo> Id like to follow them on that, but Im having issues with getting apt to totally remove kdeconnect-plasma and installing kdeconnect (1.0.1) in its place
[13:25] <clivejo> I added Breaks/Replaces, but maybe it should be a Conlficts?
[13:26] <santa_> it should be a breaks/replaces and a dummuy package kdeconnect-plasma depending on kdeconnect
[13:27] <santa_> do you have your work in git?
[13:27] <clivejo> so there is no way to totally get rid of kdeconnect-plasma?
[13:27] <santa_> I  told you how
[13:28] <clivejo> https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kdeconnect-kde/log/?h=kubuntu_unstable
[13:28] <clivejo> ok, so needs a dummy package
[13:29] <clivejo> oh, I see, cause some users might not know about the change and apt install kdeconnect-plasma?
[13:30] <santa_> yes
[13:30] <clivejo> we need to have it installable under that as well
[13:30] <clivejo> sorry that fact didnt come into my head!
[13:32] <clivejo> also the git-buildpackage-ppa tool wont work for me
[13:32] <clivejo> it seems to be looking at LP PPA's and errors out
[13:34] <ahoneybun> how about we try to have the Kubuntu Vision meeting sometime this week or next
[13:34] <ahoneybun> then we have a Dev Meeting to plan things out from our Vision
[13:40] <clivejo> santa_: how does this look to you - https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kdeconnect-kde/commit/?h=kubuntu_unstable&id=cb930c77a04e4bb2531137c6c625079f55a49b55
[13:40] <clivejo> ahoneybun: will you do the honors?
[13:40] <ahoneybun> the doodle you mean clivejo?
[13:41] <clivejo> last meeting I tried to setup with doodle was a disaster
[13:41] <ahoneybun> I'll try my hand at it
[13:41] <clivejo> didnt have timezones
[13:42] <clivejo> could we maybe have the KC meeting an hour before the Vision meeting?
[13:43] <ahoneybun> KC and Vision would be the same no?
[13:43] <clivejo> oh I thought KC meeting was just KC members, Vision would be open to all?
[13:44] <ahoneybun> well I would like to think we can take ideas from everyone in Kubuntu not just the KC
[13:44] <ahoneybun> community driven to the max there
[13:44] <clivejo> ok
[13:45] <ahoneybun> someone might have a better idea then we do
[13:47] <ahoneybun> so there is a link to enable time zone support in "Time proposals"
[13:48] <ahoneybun> Kubuntu Vision Doodle: http://doodle.com/poll/eq59t2bu5g7428ey
[14:03] <santa_> clivejo: that doesn't seem to make much sense
[14:03] <santa_> actually you should have
[14:03] <santa_> 1. a kdeconnect-plasma dummy package
[14:04] <santa_> 2. breaks/replaces in kdeconnect against kdeconnect-plasma (<< 1.0)
[14:04] <santa_> 3. kdeconnect-plasma dummy package must depend on kdeconnect
[14:04] <santa_> and that's it
[16:22] <clivejo> is KCI down?
[16:22] <clivejo> !ping
 I think so...
 That's so cool
 Luminia desktop built a git viewer and cloner into the file manager
[18:32] <acheronuk> clivejo: KCI seems dead here as well
 Its doing something on the server though
 Just times out or conection reset for me
[19:06] <tsimonq2> Hey yofel, clivejo, acheronuk, santa_: are we syncing from Debian yet? Is this something we'll discuss in the upcoming meeting? What's the deal?
[19:25] <santa_> that would fix absolutely nothing in kubuntu
[19:26] <tsimonq2> santa_: Syncing from Debian?
[19:27] <santa_> tsimonq2: are you aware of the status of kubuntu before some people had to leave the project? how did they achieved that? syncing from debian? or doing something else?
[19:28] <santa_> but anyway, it's a pointless "debate". if kubuntu gets back to where it was before the disaster all this "brainstroming" will end
[19:29] <acheronuk> It would still leave a big delta between our packaging and debian on hundreds of packages to resolve
[19:30] <acheronuk> Which we would then have to upload as a ubuntu version
[19:30] <acheronuk> I think?
[19:30] <tsimonq2> Should we merge packaging then upload?
[19:31] <santa_> I will repeat myself, how did the previous kubuntu developers achieved what they achieved? syncing from debian?
[19:33] <santa_> because in case you haven't noticed all the plasma5/frameworks/applications packaging was developed *in* kubuntu, not in debian
[19:34] <tsimonq2> yofel, clivejo, shadeslayer, ^^^^
[20:55] <acheronuk> KIC looks unresponsive on ping and via traceroute
[20:55] <acheronuk> *LCI
[20:55]  * acheronuk is having one of *those* days
[20:55] <acheronuk> KCI!
[20:56] <tsimonq2> I'm working on patching up SDDM.
[20:57] <tsimonq2> AKA fixing bug 1627340
[21:07] <acheronuk> [10:49] * kubuntu-ci has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
[21:16] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Ping,
[21:16] <tsimonq2> s/,/./
[21:20] <valorie> wake up kci!
[21:23] <tsimonq2> clivejo: I have several useful fixes for sddm that I would like uploaded. :)
[21:25]  * acheronuk kicks KCI
[21:30] <tsimonq2> Argh, where is the repo for the KCI tooling?
[21:35] <acheronuk> https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci-admins/kubuntu-ci/+git/pangea-tooling/
[21:36] <tsimonq2> Hmmmm, ok.
[22:13] <valorie> ha, I just saw in another chan (#plasma):  <maxyz> I'm running 5.8.2, which is the one I've uploaded to Debian
[22:13] <valorie> which seems like good news for us
[22:13] <tsimonq2> valorie: Which is why I'm wondering when we will *finally* get it.
[22:14] <valorie> zz first
[22:15] <tsimonq2> I know, I asked before when we sync from Debian.
[22:16] <valorie> I don't believe that we do except perhaps in zz
[22:16]  * tsimonq2 nods
[22:16] <valorie> but I've never paid attention to that before, so pay no attention to my opinion
[22:25] <santa_> tsimonq2: back in the days, kubuntu was quite puntual providing new upstream kde releases, how did the deveolpers achieved that? syncing from debian?
[22:26] <tsimonq2> santa_: Probably not, but they have newer releases than us.
[22:27] <santa_> tsimonq2: great, and why is that happening?
[22:27] <tsimonq2> (at the moment)
[22:28] <tsimonq2> santa_: Because we had freezes and couldn't get that in.
[22:28] <santa_> oh, really?
[22:28] <santa_> because we had freezes?
[22:28] <santa_> no because we didn't have the proper permissions to do the job, and things piled up and piled up
[22:31] <santa_> also freezes existed before some people had to leave the project
[22:31] <santa_> so I don't think that's an excuse
[22:31] <valorie> Plasma 5.8.2 is because of freeze, however -- we agreed on that months ago
[22:32] <santa_> and what's the excuse for not having in in the ppa's
[22:33] <tsimonq2> santa_: There is one. I keep getting ignored... :(
[22:33] <tsimonq2> s/one/none/
[22:34] <santa_> there we got it. so if there isn't that there it's because things piled up too much for the 16.10
[22:37] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Can you please help me set up KCI in this VM?
[22:37] <valorie> I think this shows why we need a meeting soon to decide on shared goals
[22:37] <valorie> and then turn that into agreements on workflow
[22:38] <valorie> so we can all start rowing in the same direction again
[22:38] <santa_> I think it's exactly the opossite
[22:39] <valorie> what is the exact opposite?
[22:39] <santa_> we don't need any "yet another meeting" nor any other workflow, but just do any actual work to get the things back
[22:39] <valorie> do you mean workflow then goals, or?
[22:39] <valorie> ah
[22:40] <valorie> because I'm not a packager, I'm sure I don't exactly understand the issues
[22:40] <valorie> but I do hear lots of frustration
[22:41] <tsimonq2> +1 on the frustration
[22:44] <valorie> tsimonq2, santa_ -- the reason I think a meeting would be good is to clear the air
[22:45] <valorie> from what has been said on the list and here, I'm entirely unsure what the source of the frustration IS
[22:45] <valorie> besides that our tooling is not yet in perfect working order
[22:45] <acheronuk> while we need longer term methods and goals discussed and sorted, it seems more in short term it is coordination, allocation of tasks, who is going to do what when and how etc that is lacking
[22:46] <tsimonq2> ^
[22:46] <tsimonq2> Plus sometimes lack of knowledge on a certain procedure.
[22:46] <acheronuk> the 2 do play off each other though.
[22:46] <valorie> the ninja notepad doesn't do that, acheronuk?
[22:46] <tsimonq2> valorie: Nope.
[22:47] <tsimonq2> I don't even have a link for that any more...
[22:47] <acheronuk> when was that last updated? does it tell us what we do at the start of a new release when we are behind compared to debian?
[22:47] <tsimonq2> ^
[22:48] <valorie> not being a ninja I don't think I ever saw it
[22:49] <tsimonq2> I think that's something we need to utilize for sure in the future.
[22:50] <acheronuk> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/10/21/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t01:54
[22:50] <tsimonq2> Eh screw it
[22:50] <tsimonq2> That's also something we need to do - clean out the topic.
[22:51] <valorie> Zesty Zapus is open for development, no freezes  - can be "ZZ is open"
[22:54] <tsimonq2> valorie: Middle ground. I dislike "ZZ".
[22:54] <tsimonq2> :P
[22:54] <valorie> ok
[23:01] <acheronuk> Anyway, I don't particularly fancy sitting around twiddling my thumbs, waiting for the result of a meeting that is possibly 1-2 weeks away
[23:01] <tsimonq2> ^ +1000000
[23:01] <tsimonq2> And you guys said I was jumping the gun...
[23:02] <valorie> yes, I wish we'd scheduled it sooner
[23:02] <valorie> not as soon as you wanted, tsimonq2, but already
[23:03] <acheronuk> there is clearly longer terms stuff that does require such discussion, but there is also some shorter term stuff that probably isn't THAT controversial, that in all honesty might only take just getting all the dev team on BBB for 1/2 an hour all at the same time
[23:03] <tsimonq2> How about this, can we meet tomorrow on BBB after I get home from school?
[23:04] <tsimonq2> So like 9 PM UK time.
[23:04] <valorie> tsimonq2: please send an email to the list with the time in UT
[23:04] <valorie> or acheronuk
[23:04] <tsimonq2> I will.
[23:05] <acheronuk> ok with me.
[23:05] <valorie> it is a pity to not have a list of work for people to do when they have the time
[23:05] <valorie> I've tried to suggest a few things, but no replies
[23:05] <acheronuk> It is possible the main outcome of that is that we decide, yes, we have to wait for other things to be decided
[23:06] <valorie> well, beyond Konvi being updated
[23:06] <acheronuk> but at least even with that we would then be on the same page and not getting frustrated
[23:07]  * acheronuk kicks KCI harder
[23:07]  * tsimonq2 glowers at KCI
[23:11] <acheronuk> this week I would like to try to do something productive basically, even if that does fall short of staging new releases etc
[23:11] <tsimonq2> !ninjas | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-October/010820.html
[23:12] <tsimonq2> !ninjas
[23:12] <tsimonq2> You get it guys, see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-October/010820.html .
[23:12] <tsimonq2> +1 acheronuk
[23:13] <valorie> thank you
[23:16] <acheronuk> in fact, in development terms, that might be a nice thing to schedule regularly. i.e. have a chat at the start of the week to discuss what people might do and coordinate a bit
[23:16] <tsimonq2> oh ffs
[23:16] <tsimonq2> screw KCI traking then
[23:16] <tsimonq2> Ok, good.
[23:16] <tsimonq2> I really like that idea, acheronuk.
[23:16] <tsimonq2> Even if it's a short IRC meeting.
[23:16] <valorie> is this stuff still relevant? Plasma 5.7.5 X-STAGING Y-ARCHIVE, 5.6.5 X-BACKPORTS / Apps 16.04.3 X-STAGING Y-ARCHIVE / FW 5.26 X-STAGING Y-ARCHIVE, 5.23 X-BACKPORTS
[23:16]  * tsimonq2 nods
[23:17] <tsimonq2> We need to discuss that tomorrow.
[23:17] <valorie> cool
[23:17] <acheronuk> may not be possible every week. or on BBB. but seems a good things to do on weeks we can get everyone in one place
[23:17] <tsimonq2> I agree.
[23:17] <acheronuk> otherwise things have a tendency to 'drift'
[23:17] <tsimonq2> And even if it isn't in real time. It could be over email or something.
[23:17] <acheronuk> whatever works
[23:17] <tsimonq2> Just a quick, "What are we working on this week?"
[23:18] <clivejo> tsimonq2: can you please stop pinging me
[23:18] <tsimonq2> clivejo: I apologize.
[23:20] <acheronuk> whoops
[23:31] <acheronuk> Alternatively, if we are going to sit around doing nothing for a week or so, I may investigate what Neon has to do that looks interesting
[23:38] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: Aaron had concerns, and I responded to him.
[23:48] <tsimonq2> valorie: Well said.


[00:45] <greg-g> le sigh
[13:51] <cmaloney> morning
[14:07] <brousch> indeed
[14:28] <cmaloney> \m/
[14:47] <waldo323> cheers
[15:15] <jrwren> Good morning.
[16:03] <cmaloney> waldo323: Hey, long time no see! :)
[16:03] <cmaloney> (in IRC that is)
[16:03] <cmaloney> Finally got JoDee's phone back from LG
[16:03] <cmaloney> glad they fixed it, but a little upset those fsckers stole the original box I shipped it in.
[16:04] <cmaloney> since it had the lovely little sim removal tool. :(
[16:06] <waldo323> cmaloney, good to be back.  tough lesson regarding the phone, typically I'll only send the phone and any specified parts otherwise I hold on to them
[16:07] <jrwren> ya know... that is a good point. I sometimes save original boxes for that purpose, but i've never had one returned to me. They won't save it and return it to you.
[16:10] <mrgoodcat> seem sort of silly tbh
[16:10] <mrgoodcat> i'm almost surprised they don't send it back in the normal packaging anyways
[16:10] <mrgoodcat> since its like purpose built to protect the phone in shipping
[16:11] <cmaloney> Probably because it's fedex and they pay by the mm or some shit
[16:11] <mrgoodcat> haha
[16:11] <mrgoodcat> i hate fedex
[16:11] <mrgoodcat> it actually prevents me from using certain online stores
[16:12] <mrgoodcat> i'll do just about anything to use ups instead
[16:12] <cmaloney> Yeah, no kidding
[16:12] <mrgoodcat> ups has a key to my apartment building. fedex does not. also i've now had twice where i stayed home to receive a package from fedex and it was marked as "unable to deliver, recipient not home" with no door tag left
[16:13] <mrgoodcat> which is just downright unacceptable
[16:13] <cmaloney> The delivery dude knocked and was literally holding the "sucks to be you" tag, ready to affix on the door
[16:13] <cmaloney> Sorry bud, but that is not an atomic operation
[16:13] <mrgoodcat> i wouldn't mind if that was the case so much. i understand the dudes in a hurry i guess. but i mean i was home and nobody ever knocked or buzzed and there was no door tag left
[16:14] <mrgoodcat> they simply didn't come
[16:14] <cmaloney> and then he hands me a pen to write on their device to sign
[16:14] <cmaloney> so I likely scratched it.
[16:14] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: I really hate that mentality
[16:14] <mrgoodcat> i've read online that the drivers will mark deliveries as unsuccessful if they're running behind because then they aren't held accountable for the late delivery
[16:14] <mrgoodcat> because they're penalized for not delivering their quota
[16:15] <cmaloney> But yeah, I've had instances where fedex was "unable to deliver" when they barely made any ripples near the porch
[16:15] <cmaloney> I'm still al little salty about the CD that Amazon sent that somehow got lost in Romulus
[16:15] <cmaloney> I hope you enjoy Revocation, ya bastards
[16:15] <mrgoodcat> fedex takes a coveted spot above comcast and verizon for "most hated company" in my house
[16:16] <cmaloney> I think DHL is somewhere in that mix
[16:16] <mrgoodcat> ah i've not had too much experience with dhl
[16:16] <cmaloney> That's in part because they're the one company that sucks worse than Fed Ex
[16:16] <mrgoodcat> haha
[16:17] <cmaloney> FedEx is great for businesses because they make packages disappear better than anyone
[16:17] <cmaloney> DHL is just a burden on both sides of that transaction
[16:17] <cmaloney> So I understand why FedEx gets used a lot, but they're a pain for anyone that isn't a business.
[16:18] <mrgoodcat> amazon uses ups at least for my address so that's 99% of my online spending covered
[16:18] <mrgoodcat> and ups can deliver to my apartment when i'm not home so i don't have to stay home for a day
[16:23] <jrwren> i get lots of USPS from amazon now.
[16:33] <cmaloney> I <3 usps when they don't completely fuck up
[16:34] <cmaloney> eg: send a priority-mail package to Florida instead of Texas
[16:34] <cmaloney> I can understand why though: they totally look the same. ;)
[17:37] <cmaloney> Got my first consulting check today. W00t!
[17:37] <cmaloney> I'm no longer a complete burden to society!
[17:37] <cmaloney> \o/
[17:49] <_stink_> o/o/
[18:19] <mrgoodcat> |m|/
[19:16] <mrgoodcat> rick_h: oh i missed your response (even though it was only like 2 minutes after my question). thanks for letting me know. i'm currently going through the process of agonizing over bike choices :)
[19:17] <mrgoodcat> ideally i'd be going for a short travel FS carbon 1x or possibly 2x with components taht aren't too garbage
[19:17] <mrgoodcat> like SRAM GX or Shimano SLX or better
[19:18] <mrgoodcat> i'll probably have to compromise to stay within budget though
[19:22] <rick_h> mrgoodcat: always happy to chat bikes. Yea I just got my Ibis mojo 3, 1x eagle
[19:23] <rick_h> mrgoodcat: but yea, eagle gx is good stuff in the more entry bikes
[19:23] <rick_h> mrgoodcat: what are you looking at? Giant has some good budget offerings.
[19:23] <rick_h> Good price to perf, diamondback has a new one that's carbon as well.
[19:24] <mrgoodcat> yea diamondback has some really good deals
[19:24] <mrgoodcat> i get a corporate discount on their website too
[19:24] <mrgoodcat> varies bike to bike but the overdrive carbon pro 29er is only 1904 after the discount
[19:24] <rick_h> Nice, they've got a build a bike thing on their site which is cool
[19:25] <rick_h> I was thinking release 3? I'd have to look.
[19:25] <mrgoodcat> i've also got a line on a 20% discount at ACF (which means trek)
[19:25] <rick_h> Cool
[19:25] <mrgoodcat> yea the release is their FS that i was looking at
[19:25] <mrgoodcat> i'm a bit torn between FS and hardtail at the moment
[19:26] <mrgoodcat> I think i've pretty much come to grips with the fact that my budget will probably dictate an aluminum bike if i go FS
[19:26] <rick_h> So I've been on hardtail for 2years and fs for a month, FS feels better downhill but that's about it.
[19:26] <rick_h> On anbig down hill I can do it faster.
[19:26] <mrgoodcat> yea i've been on both. learned on a HT diamondback, switched to a trek FS, now i'm on a norco revolver HT
[19:26] <rick_h> But it's not like "I couldn't do that before I had a FS"
[19:27] <rick_h> Gotcha
[19:27] <mrgoodcat> actually my bike is still a trek
[19:27] <mrgoodcat> but its taken apart
[19:27] <rick_h> Hah
[19:27] <mrgoodcat> and i've been riding the norco
[19:27] <mrgoodcat> which is my dads
[19:28] <rick_h> Ibe got some spare parts if you want. Carbon bar, xt brakes, etc. Been hacking on things.
[19:28] <mrgoodcat> current frontrunners are trek procaliber 9.8 (carbon ht), trek top fuel 8 (aluminum FS), diamondback overdrive pro carbon (carbon HT)
[19:29] <mrgoodcat> did you get the carbon bar for the weight reduction or do you notice its any more comfortable to ride? i've only used aluminum bars
[19:29] <mrgoodcat> i know a lot of people say the carbon bars have more flex though which can reduce hand fatigue
[19:31] <rick_h> Yea I got it for width and testing how it felt different
[19:32] <rick_h> My ibis came with an I is bar but I've bought my own before so not using the Ibis carbon
[19:33] <mrgoodcat> got it
[19:33] <rick_h> I like how it feels but with grips and gloves can't tell a ton
[19:33] <mrgoodcat> the mojo 3 is a 27.5?
[19:33] <rick_h> 27.5+
[19:34] <rick_h> I've got minion 2.8s on there
[19:34] <mrgoodcat> oh man i was looking at plus bikes
[19:34] <mrgoodcat> they look so fun
[19:34] <rick_h> Yea, with my weight and around here I wanted to go plus
[19:34] <rick_h> So I looked at all of them
[19:35] <rick_h> Really really happy with it so far
[19:36] <mrgoodcat> glad to hear
[19:40] <rick_h> Grip has been great in leafy covered stuff the last month
[19:41] <mrgoodcat> yea the wide tires have crazy grip
[19:41] <mrgoodcat> the only thing i've heard is that plus tires can get slippery in mud really quick
[19:42] <mrgoodcat> but that's fine since i usually try not to bike in the mud too often
[19:50] <rick_h> Yea not looking to shower off in the cold before going in the house.
[20:30] <brousch> cmaloney: Congrats! Who are you consulting with?
[20:30] <cmaloney> A friend's company
[20:30] <rick_h> cmaloney: what's this?
[20:30] <cmaloney> not sure how much I can reveal at the moment. :)
[20:31] <cmaloney> rick_h: I got paid today. :)
[20:31] <rick_h> cmaloney: woot woot
[20:31]  * cmaloney is not a freeloader. :)
[20:31] <brousch> Is it for development?
[20:31] <cmaloney> brousch: Yeah
[20:31] <cmaloney> and interesting development at that
[20:31] <brousch> That's good enough to satisfy me
[20:33] <mrgoodcat> congrats!
[20:33] <cmaloney> Thanks!
[20:33] <cmaloney> If anything this has taught me that I need more sources of income
[20:33]  * cmaloney starts planning out Typing Monkey Omnimedia
[20:33] <cmaloney> ;)
[22:49] <Scary_Guy> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-journal-ceases-publication