[00:00] <Person[a]> could anybody with karmik koala tell me if has this file: $HOME/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-power-manager.xml??? because I am having problems with xfce4-power-manager
[00:00] <Person[a]> thanks
[00:21] <capletonX> hey, does anyone know if two-finger scroll is possible with xubuntu?
[00:21] <Sysi> yes it's
[00:22] <capletonX> Do you know how I could do it?
[00:22] <capletonX> haha, and Hello!
[00:22] <Sysi> have you checked mouse settings?
[00:23] <capletonX> i've been trying to make sense of all the info online...   yeah, under settings>mouse it's not there
[00:25] <capletonX> I also tried adding this to my Xorg.conf
[00:25] <capletonX> Section "InputDevice"
[00:25] <capletonX> 	Identifier	"Synaptics Touchpad"
[00:25] <capletonX> 	Driver		"synaptics"
[00:25] <capletonX> 	Option		"SendCoreEvents"	"true"
[00:25] <capletonX> 	Option		"Device"		"/dev/psaux"
[00:25] <capletonX> 	Option		"Protocol"		"auto-dev"
[00:25] <capletonX> 	Option		"HorizScrollDelta"	"0"
[00:25] <capletonX> 	Option		"VertTwoFingerScroll"	"1"
[00:25] <capletonX> 	Option		"HorizTwoFingerScroll"	"1"
[00:25] <capletonX> EndSection
[00:33] <Sysi> !02:25 < capletonX> IOptionII"VertTwoFingerScroll"I"1"
[00:33] <Sysi> hum, wat
[00:33] <Sysi> !info gsynaptics
[00:36] <capletonX> ha, okay so when i run gsynaptics, I do not see an option for two finger scroll.  Under "scrolling" there is vertical, horizontal, and circular, then "on and edge" configuration
[00:37] <capletonX> Maybe my Samsung N120 can't do two-finger scroll?  :-/
[00:39] <Sysi> i guess that's possible
[00:40] <capletonX> When I do "synclient -l" there are two lines that read
 gsynaptics (source
[00:41] <capletonX> oops
[00:41] <capletonX>     VertTwoFingerScroll     = 0
[00:41] <capletonX>     HorizTwoFingerScroll    = 0
[00:42] <capletonX> So i thought that meant it was possible, just not enabled.  Do you recommend anywhere else for me to check to see if it would be possible?
[03:11] <[ELF]sh4rm4> hi... i like the screen-profiles introduced in 9.04, but the clock nags me due to updateing every second im unable to scroll up in a ssh session
[03:11] <[ELF]sh4rm4> is there a way to turn off the clock displayed ?
[03:43] <Tonno> hi  to all
[06:05] <hardbop200> wow, I'm trying out xubuntu for the first time tonight, so far *very* impressed.
[06:07] <hardbop200> ...and a big thank-you for not installing pulseaudio ;)
[06:30] <Lycus> So, is this support-only, or also off-topic discussion?
[15:29] <edruid> hello
[15:30] <edruid> I somehow managed to make my escape key do "FocusOut" - "FocusIn" rather than "KeyPressed" - "KeyReleased".
[15:31] <edruid> Does anyone hava a guess what I did and how to fix it?
[15:32] <edruid> I have been editing my ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml file if that helps.
[15:53] <jean85> hi alll
[15:54] <jean85> am not able to install packages.. anybody help!!
[16:02] <dm_synck> How are you installing - Synaptic or command line ?
[16:14] <jean85> its not working in both....
[16:21] <dm_synck> Any error messages from "apt-get" ?
[16:24] <jean85> no am getting Sub-process /var/lib/dpkg/available no such file or directory
[16:47] <aigon> what program i have to download to unpack rar file?
[16:50] <_Pete_> rar?
[16:53] <_Pete_> aigon: sudo apt-get install rar
[16:53] <_Pete_> after that: rar x <yourwarez>.rar
[17:13] <slow-motion> hi
[17:22] <messiah> hello, i have problems setting my static ip
[17:23] <messiah> i have tryed writting some lines in the file interfaces and it works, but when i turn off and turn on my computer i don't have internet anymore
[17:23] <messiah> i can't click in APPLY in NM although i write everything right
[17:26] <messiah> (;_;)
[17:27] <subspider> are you using a router messiah
[17:27] <subspider> ??
[17:28] <messiah> yes
[17:28] <messiah> wi-fi
[17:28] <subspider> yea
[17:28] <subspider> ok
[17:28] <messiah> is in the living room
[17:28] <subspider> i think if you configure it he can give you the static ip you want
[17:28] <subspider> normally
[17:29] <subspider> if you are conected you use <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:29] <messiah> everyone can do that directly in NM next to the clock, why not me? or editing the file interfaces (anyway this worked, but just until i turn off my computer)
[17:31] <subspider> messiah have you done these http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[17:31] <subspider> i've done and it always work
[17:32] <messiah> subspider, yes dude, exactly the same tuto... and it works until i turn off computer,but when i turn on.... no way
[17:32] <messiah> i have to delete what i write there, because i don't have internet...
[17:32] <subspider> hm when you turn of did you save your session??
[17:33] <messiah> i save the file and also restart networking and it works
[17:34] <messiah> then... no way
[17:34] <subspider> strange
[17:35] <Freewillie> Hello
[17:35] <messiah> (;_;)
[17:35] <subspider> !hi
[17:35] <Freewillie> I want to change my login screen, but i don't know how.
[17:36] <Freewillie> What should I do?
[17:36] <messiah> am depressed... i need to do that, and i can't do it since yesterday
[17:36] <messiah> i should stay in my windows virus lol
[17:36] <Freewillie> I already downloaded a nice login screen from xfce-look.org
[17:37] <Freewillie> I know i am not very experienced
[17:37] <subspider> i think it's easier configuring router and more efficient
[17:37] <Freewillie> That's why i am here
[17:37] <subspider> ok
[17:37] <messiah> subspider, how can i do that
[17:37] <messiah> but i am using sometims 3 computers
[17:38] <subspider> yea that's no problem
[17:38] <subspider> messiah go to you brwoser
[17:38] <subspider> and type <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:38] <messiah> yes
[17:38] <messiah> yes
[17:38] <subspider> and login
[17:38] <messiah> yes
[17:38] <subspider> then you should have some way to configure
[17:39] <subspider> almost avery router have that
[17:39] <subspider> i think it's called static routting
[17:39] <messiah> yes
[17:39] <messiah> static route
[17:39] <messiah> i found it
[17:40] <messiah> now?
[17:40] <Freewillie> Hello, Can anyone help me with my problem? I want to change my login screen to one from xfce-look.org. Can anyone tell me how?
[17:41] <messiah> subspider, are you there?:D
[17:43] <Freewillie> I gues nobody can help me:(
[17:43] <messiah> Freewillie, i advice you to ask it in #ubuntu
[17:43] <messiah> there are more ppl there
[17:43] <Freewillie> Why?
[17:43] <messiah> more ppl
[17:43] <Freewillie> ok but do they know something about my problem there because im using xfce?
[17:44] <subspider> no if u using xubuntu it have to be here
[17:44] <Sysi> Freewillie: it's an issue of gdm
[17:44] <subspider> just wait you are two i'm just one
[17:44] <subspider> yes
[17:44] <subspider> thnks Sysi
[17:44] <Sysi> gnome also uses it
[17:44] <Freewillie> ok
[17:45] <messiah> subspider, i am where you told me, i have some fields to fill in, but no one says "IP" just network, mask ....
[17:45] <Sysi> that was so easy in earlier versions, not in karmic :/
[17:45] <subspider> messiah you have to see in router witch one is you pc and chage to satic then associete to you mac for each router is diferent
[17:46] <subspider> hm maybe you router can't make that
[17:46] <Freewillie> Routers? cool!
[17:48] <subspider> messiah try these
[17:48] <subspider> http://softsolder.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/xubuntu-install-tweaks-setting-a-static-ip-in-xubuntu-810/
[17:49] <messiah> subspider, i can't see the mac adresses int he router config
[17:50] <subspider> forget it
[17:50] <Freewillie> But, is there not an easy way to set an other loginscreen? Just like setting themes?
[17:50] <subspider> just try linux
[17:50] <messiah> subspider,  hahahahahha... i follow that link?
[17:50] <subspider> yes
[17:51] <messiah> subspider, i have karmic koala, i don't have ethernet
[17:51] <messiah> in ifconfig i have "lo" "wlan0" and "wmaster0"
[17:51] <subspider> yes wireless
[17:51] <subspider> the only diference is the interface
[17:51] <messiah> let's try this :D thank you dude
[17:51] <subspider> like for him
[17:52] <messiah> sorry
[17:52] <subspider> he is using eth0 you shlud see witch is your wireless interface
[17:52] <messiah> i must get down my wlan0??? but if i do so, how will i download what it says?
[17:52] <messiah> my wireless interface is wlan0
[17:52] <subspider> ok
[17:53] <messiah> i must get down my wlan0??? but if i do so, how will i download what it says?
[17:53] <subspider> first you donwload then you do it like following tuto
[17:53] <messiah> ok
[17:53] <messiah> please, don't go too far away :P
[17:55] <messiah> subspider, sorry, my english... "to get rid of" means delete or install?
[17:55] <Freewillie> delete
[17:55] <messiah> ^^ thanks
[17:56] <messiah> these are DNS? Make /etc/resolv.conf look like this:
[17:56] <messiah> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:56] <messiah> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:56] <messiah> i must write there my DNS's?
[17:57] <Person[a]> i
[17:57] <Person[a]> hi
[17:57] <Freewillie> But can no one else help me? I thougt it was a very simple problem
[17:57] <messiah> hello persona, are you spaniard?
[17:58] <Person[a]> I am
[17:58] <Freewillie> But i think if even 72 other persons don't know what it is I have a serious problem
[17:58] <Person[a]> (although my email comes after a swedish film messiah
[17:58] <messiah> http://softsolder.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/xubuntu-install-tweaks-setting-a-static-ip-in-xubuntu-810/ in this tuto, the resolv file, are they the DNS's???
[17:59] <Freewillie> My problem is, I don't know how to change the login screen
[17:59] <Freewillie> I hope someone knowś how i should do it
[17:59] <subspider> i search for it Freewillie
[17:59] <subspider> just wait
[18:00] <Freewillie> Ok, thanks
[18:00] <Freewillie> I already changed my theme and bootscreen
[18:00] <messiah> i can't understand the part of resolv.conf and talks about "OpenDNS"
[18:01] <subspider> freewillie give me the link where yo download yours
[18:01] <Person[a]> messiah, , yes they are the DNS
[18:01] <messiah> i must write my own DNS or that ones from OpenDNS?
[18:01] <Freewillie> ok, 2 secs
[18:01] <messiah> my own DNS = my ISP company, the ones i see in my windows netbook
[18:01] <Freewillie> xfce-look.org
[18:01] <Freewillie> Should I give the direct URL?
[18:02] <Freewillie> http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Xubuntu-Noir+GDM+Login+Theme?content=87954
[18:02] <Person[a]> messiah, I use the ones provided by my ISP and haven't had any problem so far
[18:03] <messiah> which are better? ^^
[18:03] <Person[a]> the ones provided by your ISP, I gess
[18:04] <messiah> ok, i must follow the tuto, hope see you later ;)
[18:04] <Person[a]> the "windows ones"
[18:04] <Freewillie> subspider, can I make in my user folder make a folder with the name .login? and paste the folder with files in it?
[18:05] <Freewillie> Just like .themes?
[18:05] <subspider> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1265037
[18:05] <subspider> your soluution is there
[18:06] <subspider> freewillie
[18:08] <Freewillie> ok
[18:09] <Freewillie> Firefox hangs:(
[18:11] <Freewillie> subSpider, Thank you very much
[18:12] <subspider> it worked??
[18:12] <subspider> freewillie
[18:13] <Freewillie> I don't know yet but it looks like the solution
[18:13] <subspider> yes
[18:13] <Freewillie> I am going to log off en check it out
[18:13] <subspider> it looks but for me it's not working
[18:16] <Freewillie1> Subspider: There happend something, but not what i was expected to happen. But I will check it out and ask if I can't solve it by myself
[18:17] <subspider> freewillie i don't have a pulgin folder did you make yours
[18:17] <subspider> not pulgin sorry theme
[18:18] <Freewillie1> theme? in the gdm folder? Yes, it was already there
[18:19] <subspider> lol
[18:19] <subspider> i don't have it
[18:19] <Freewillie1> OK, that's weird
[18:19] <Freewillie1> but i have to log off
[18:19] <Freewillie1> so you will see mee in a sec again
[18:21] <Freewillie1> SubSpider; It works!!
[18:21] <Freewillie1> thank you very much
[18:21] <subspider> lol
[18:21] <subspider> ok nice
[18:22] <subspider> hahaha to me i can't find tha folder hehehe
[18:22] <subspider> so
[18:22] <subspider> you're welcome
[18:22] <Freewillie1> Have you installed gdm?
[18:23] <subspider> no lol
[18:24] <subspider> now i hae the folder
[18:24] <Freewillie1> nice
[18:25] <Freewillie1> It was nice talking with you but i have to go now
[18:25] <Freewillie1> So bye
[19:27] <Freewillie> Good Evening
[19:28] <Freewillie> Subspider; The login screen works great, I've modified it a bit.
[22:40] <boris_> hi, i have a trivial question: change the capslock to a control on xubuntu 9.10. xmodmap works, but i don't know how to make the effect permament
[22:49] <boris_> or where should i put a command i want to be executed every time i log in? .profile?
[22:50] <likemindead> Sorry, boris_ I'm not sure. :-\
[22:51] <boris_> not sure about what exactly?
[22:51] <likemindead> The answers you seek.
[22:53] <boris_> i mean, it used to be easy: you add a line in .bashrc, or .bash_profile, or something similar, and it works. not anymore. and xfce does not have a keyboard settings panel like gnome to let me do this stupid capslock to control from the gui
[22:55] <boris_> it seemed to work alright for a while, when it was in .profile, but it does not work anymore. why i don't know. i also can't seem to figure out if .profile is the right place. i tried adding a command to be executed on startup using the session and startup settings, but it doesn't work either.
[22:56] <boris_> and i googled long enough, i feel really stupid for not being able to figure out how to do something as trivial
[22:56] <likemindead> Using Karmic, boris_ ?
[22:56] <slow-motion> n8
[22:56] <boris_> yes, 9.10


[00:04] <cmaloney> Howdy
[10:01] <cmaloney> morning
[10:48] <Scary_Guy> hey
[13:52] <jrwren> is it the weekend yet?
[14:27] <cmaloney> Almost there
[14:47] <greg-g> It is Wednesday my dudes
[14:47] <cmaloney> it is


[11:52] <nightmare__> so im needing help on rerwiting a disk
[11:53] <geirha> rewriting a disk?
[11:53] <nightmare__> i have a rewriteable dvd+rw disk that has a old company  windows copy
[11:53] <nightmare__> but i wasnt too erase it
[11:53] <nightmare__> i have tryed it but it says it wont work
[11:54] <nightmare__> can you help me?
[11:55] <geirha> Hm. Have never bothered with rw-discs myself, only used r-discs
[11:55] <nightmare__> i also checked the integrity of the disk by brasero disk burner and it said there ws no check sum file
[11:55] <nightmare__> on the disk or something like that
[11:56] <geirha> you're sure the drive supports dvd+rw? some only support dvd-rw
[11:56] <nightmare__> i want too remove ubuntu and this is the only disk i own that i can rewrite my .iso to
[11:56] <geirha> you don't have any usb sticks either?
[11:56] <nightmare__> i play mainly games on my laptop and since ive installed ubuntu its been a huge hassle and not i do not
[11:57] <nightmare__> i wish i did
[11:57] <nightmare__> but i dont money hasnt been the greatest you know lately and i had to move and lost alot of stuff
[11:57] <nightmare__> then a fire happened and i lost even more
[11:57] <geirha> ouch
[11:58] <nightmare__> just starting too get some of my stuff back
[11:58] <nightmare__> i was able to save my computer and a couple of disks and lucky enought i was able to save that rewriteable disk
[11:59] <nightmare__> so you asked if the drive is compatable right?  i dont really know do you have anyway i can find out using the terminal?
[12:00] <geirha> It's usually embossed on the tray. Maybe lshw can show it too
[12:01] <geirha> sudo lshw > /tmp/lshw.txt; less /tmp/lshw.txt
[12:01] <nightmare__> well it says dvd super muti dl drive
[12:01] <nightmare__> what ever that means
[12:02] <nightmare__> on a tag that was on it when i first paid for it
[12:04] <geirha> try the lshw then. It shows you lots of information about all the hardware in the computer
[12:05] <geirha> There's also a gui version of lshw, but it's not installed by default
[12:08] <nightmare__> ok how do i do that
[12:08] <geirha> In the terminal:  sudo lshw > /tmp/lshw.txt    then open /tmp/lshw.txt in your favorite editor
[12:12] <geirha> If you search for dvd in the file, you'll probably get straight to the right section
[12:15] <nightmare__> ok i did it now what?
[12:16] <nightmare__> i found this in the file
[12:16] <nightmare__>  *-cdrom                 description: DVD-RAM writer
[12:16] <nightmare__> there is more to it though if you want me to paste it
[12:17] <nightmare__> this is what it says about capabilitys as well
[12:17] <nightmare__>  capabilities: removable audio cd-r cd-rw dvd dvd-r dvd-ram
[12:20] <geirha> ok, I'm not sure if that's conclusive. If it has said dvd+rw in there, we'd know that either the disc or the drive must be faulty, but I don't know for certain if lshw will know/list the +-varieties
[12:21] <nightmare__> there is alot more info
[12:21] <nightmare__> i just posted what i thought would be relevent
[12:22] <nightmare__> the discrption said it was a dvd-ram writer
[12:22] <nightmare__> if it doesnt read it i hope there is a way to get it to read it
[12:24] <nightmare__> truth be told after all the hassle ive gone through with ubuntu it will take a long time for me to try it again after i get this fixed
[12:24] <nightmare__> but i hope i can at least get it fixed
[12:25] <geirha> Out of curiosity, what was the hassle?
[12:26] <nightmare__> games
[12:26] <nightmare__> like i said i mostly use my pc for gaming pretty much all i use it for
[12:26] <geirha> Ah, via wine, yes
[12:26] <nightmare__> and it was like me runging in circles like crazy
[12:27] <nightmare__> trying to figure it out lol
[12:27] <geirha> Strickly speaking not Ubuntu's fault, rather the game manufacturer's fault for not supporting linux. But yeah, if you're a gamer today, you generally need windows or a mac
[12:28] <geirha> Though now with steam available for Ubuntu, I think linux will be considered by more game makers
[12:28] <nightmare__> so maybe when it gets more pc gaming freindly i might try it again also have to go into the terminal after i downloaded the file to get it to install then run to a web to get another code for the ubuntu software center
[12:29] <nightmare__> just more steps then there needs to be in my honest opinion
[12:30] <nightmare__> not that i dont think linux could change the whole aspect of computers and that there is a alot more you can do wiht it its just to many steps for me to have to take just to get 1 file downloaded
[12:30] <geirha> wine improves every day, but it may be a long while before it can run all games. Or it might never be able to keep up
[12:30] <nightmare__> sorry im getting off topic
[12:31] <nightmare__> but personally your correct geirha most games dont want to support lunix though becouse it seems to push more people away then keep
[12:32] <nightmare__> becouse its so hard to install a single file and not everyone is super computer liderate it took me at least 3hours just to figure out that when puting in my admin code it wasnt going too show up
[12:33] <nightmare__> dang got to get back on topic anyways so do you think there is anyway for me too fix it with the cd i have im pretry sure its not dvd+rw compatable but it is dvd+ram compatable and i was wondering if there was some say to munipulate
[12:34] <geirha> Software packaged for Ubuntu is very easy to install, even easier than windows imo.
[12:34] <nightmare__> wel i mean yes if know how i mean typing sudo apt-get update is alot easyer
[12:34] <geirha> no, you open the software center, search and install
[12:35] <nightmare__> well everything ive installed using the center is outdated
[12:35] <geirha> depends what you consider outdated ;P
[12:35] <nightmare__> well like wine
[12:35] <nightmare__> i downloaded it from the center
[12:36] <nightmare__> and it was like 5 versions old
[12:36] <geirha> Anyway, back to your real problem. It's not my area of expertice, so I don't really know how to proceed. I'd try to determine if the disc is faulty by testing it in another computer, if possible.
[12:36] <nightmare__> k thanks
[12:37] <nightmare__> well i guess my best bet is to wait for my roomate to wake up lol and see if i can use one of his disks
[12:37] <nightmare__> i was just trying too see if i could do this becouse im really wanting to play my games
[12:38] <nightmare__> i have like 30 games on steam and others that i play during diffrent times
[12:38] <geirha> Yes, all ubuntu packages get frozen to a certain version at some point before an Ubuntu release, and they don't get updated to newer versions, only bugs gets fixed if they're found.
[12:38] <geirha> At the time of freeze, the version should be near current version, so if it's five years old, your Ubuntu release is likely five years old
[12:38] <nightmare__> um....  geirha is it bad for me to get alittle off topic
[12:39] <nightmare__> it shouldnt be i checked it
[12:39] <nightmare__> and asked some people in the irc channels they said its the lastest ones
[12:39] <geirha> I'm the one that started it, and it's not entirely off-topic for this channel in my opinion
[12:39] <nightmare__> but i was just throwing a number out there on that one
[12:39] <geirha> But since there's no other traffic in this channel at the moment, I don't think any one will mind anyway
[12:40] <nightmare__> ok
[12:40] <nightmare__> well ill brb
[12:41] <geirha> Have you tried the ubuntu version of steam though?
[12:43] <nightmare__> im back
[12:43] <nightmare__> yes i did
[12:43] <nightmare__> some games dont work though and thats most of my games'
[12:44] <nightmare__> although ima google something really fast
[12:44] <geirha> Mh. Probably takes them a while to port all the games
[12:49] <nightmare__> well i might of found my sulution to the one game i play the most
[12:50] <nightmare__> and how to install it so i might not have to uninstall ubuntu
[12:50] <nightmare__> crosses fingers
[12:52] <nightmare__> possably like i said i like ubuntu the side setup is nice and there is alot more you can do then what windows gives you that you can do
[12:53] <nightmare__> but i was afraid i wasnt goint to be able to play my games and i was raised playing games my first was pong so i was having game withdrawls lol
[12:55] <geirha> Play games like nethack. They work "everywhere"
[12:55] <geirha> ;)
[12:55] <nightmare__> whats nethack
[12:56] <nightmare__> i know there is some lunix based games but i have never tryed any
[13:00] <geirha> a text-based dungeon-crawler
[13:00] <nightmare__> im watching videos on it right now
[13:00] <nightmare__> do you think i sould sent you pms?
[13:01] <nightmare__> so i dont kee pon getting off topic
[13:01] <geirha> Nah, I think we're fine.  Then I typed "sudo apt-get update" and I got the following errors:  pastebin.com/T3NffkT4   any idea please? thanks
[16:21] <Genrawir> It looks like you're getting a bunch of 404s from the archive, so it kinda sounds like it might just be a problem with the server, you could try an alternate server
[23:17] <neo31> hello folks
[23:42] <MacGuges> I've been trying to set up a talk chat with my dad through his ubuntu box. after several attempts I've stopped receiving talk notifications, and suspect inetd needs to be restarted. How do i restart that service in ubuntu?
[23:43] <MacGuges> nvm


[00:45] <ianorlin> wow I could finally get back on
[00:54] <DonkeyHotei> ?
[00:54] <ianorlin> I had trouble connecting to freenode earlier
[00:57] <DonkeyHotei> as did i, long delay
[00:57] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2015-11-29 03:38:55 PM PST] * Connecting to chat.freenode.net (2a00:1a28:1100:11::42) port 6697...
[00:57] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2015-11-29 03:43:12 PM PST] * * Certification info:
[02:03] <ianorlin> hmm only 2 people have been nominated
[02:17] <ianorlin> I might be a littel late but am really quite hungry
[02:58] <pleia2> freenode has been subject to ddos attacks throughout the us holiday, so lots of netsplits and connection woes
[02:59] <nhaines> Yeah, it's been a shame.
[03:00] <nhaines> Hopefully everything stays stable for our meeting.  Which is now!
[03:00] <nhaines> #startmeeting
[03:00] <nhaines> !startmeeting
[03:00] <nhaines> Hm.
[03:00] <EureCA> Factoid startmeeting not found
[03:00] <nhaines> Shush, you.
[03:00] <nhaines> Okay, manual logs this time around!  :)
[03:00] <nhaines> #startmeeting
[03:01] <nhaines> Welcome to the penultimate Ubuntu California LoCo meeting this year!
[03:01] <nhaines> This meeting's agenda can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/15November29
[03:01] <nhaines> Can we get a show of hands for attendance?
[03:02] <darkwizardjack> Newbie here!
[03:03] <nhaines> darkwizardjack: welcome!
[03:03] <darkwizardjack> TY
[03:05] <nhaines> Hmm, usually the attendance thing is more popular.  :)
[03:05] <nhaines> Okay, so first up on the agenda...
[03:05] <nhaines> #topic Upcoming Events.
[03:05] <nhaines> pleia2: Ubuntu Hour San Francisco is back again, right?
[03:06] <pleia2> o/
[03:06] <pleia2> yes, we have one coming up the 2nd wednesday in december
[03:06] <pleia2> #link http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/3261-ubuntu-hour-san-francisco/
[03:06] <nhaines> That's the 9th.  Sounds like fun!
[03:07] <pleia2> and one coming up on our next meeting day (earlier in the day) in berkeley on the 13th
[03:07] <pleia2> #link http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2997-ubuntu-hour-berkeley/
[03:08] <nhaines> Oh, that'll be nice.  I hope the weather is pleasant for both of them!
[03:08] <pleia2> they're both indoors anyway ;)
[03:09] <nhaines> My favorite way to enjoy rain *is* through a window.  :)
[03:09] <nhaines> But good weather makes the trip less dreary anyway.
[03:09]  * pleia2 nods
[03:09] <nhaines> Glad UH is back.  Thank sfor that, pleia2.  :)
[03:09] <nhaines> #topic Announcements
[03:10] <nhaines> Are there any general announcements before we move on to tonight's agenda items?
[03:10] <pleia2> I don't have anything
[03:11] <nhaines> Me either.  This meeting might be a victim of the Freenode DDOS attacks, unfortunately.
[03:11] <nhaines> Okay, we can always come back to that later.
[03:11] <nhaines> #topic We have a meetup group now, what should we do with it?
[03:11] <nhaines> So we have a Meetup group now!  http://www.meetup.com/Ubuntu-California/
[03:12] <pleia2> right, so we're one of the trial teams for the ubuntu community funds supported meetup groups
[03:12] <pleia2> but we also have the loco team portal, which we've always used and have events and RSVPs on
[03:12] <nhaines> pleia2: actually, I believe Canonical is funding this without the community funds.  :)
[03:12] <pleia2> nhaines: oh, that's nice :)
[03:13] <pleia2> admittedly, the loco team portal is not used much, some people have trouble logging in, not much development is happening...
[03:13] <nhaines> pleia2: yeah, they didn't want it to be dependant on donation amounts.  :)
[03:13] <pleia2> that's good
[03:13] <pleia2> still, the loco team portal is open source and I like how clean and non-spammy it is
[03:14] <nhaines> So one of the alleged benefits of a Meetup group is that we can use it for external outreach to non-Ubuntu community members.  Which is nice because that's part of our mandate as a LoCo team.
[03:14] <pleia2> yeah, and already without much mentioning of it, we have 21 members
[03:14] <pleia2> some of whom I recognize from other meetups I go to, not from ubuntu anything
[03:14] <nhaines> And we already have 21 new users--right.  :)  Only 3 or 4 of which are Ubuntu people.
[03:15] <nhaines> So that's a promising start!
[03:15] <pleia2> I'm inclined to duplicate the events I run across both things
[03:15] <pleia2> it's messy, but eh
[03:15] <nhaines> I think that's a good idea for now.  The plan is to extend the LoCo directory so that creating the event there duplicates it to Meetup.com automatically.
[03:16] <ianorlin> wow finally got here
[03:16] <pleia2> nhaines: ah, that'd be nice
[03:16] <nhaines> But that's work and the loco directory is mostly in maintenance mode.  But if we can show that Meetup is popular, that will probably spur action in that regard.
[03:16] <nhaines> So for now we're using it for Ubucon Summit registration.
[03:17] <pleia2> I'll add the SF ubuntu hour
[03:17] <nhaines> Great!
[03:18] <nhaines> I hope to see more public events this next year, and I think Meetup.com will really help get the word out.
[03:18] <ianorlin> yes it will and maybe get more people that might offer places
[03:19] <nhaines> So I think we're off to a small but very promising start.
[03:19] <nhaines> Let's try to get in-person events listed there as we plan them out.
[03:19] <nhaines> Any other comments on Meetup.com?
[03:21] <pleia2> I think that's it really
[03:21] <nhaines> #topic Ubuntu California Leadership nominations
[03:21] <nhaines> The call for nominations is still open!  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Leadership/2015
[03:22] <nhaines> For another week, actually.
[03:22] <nhaines> Until December 5th, which is now reflected on the wiki page.
[03:23] <nhaines> Leadership is fairly simple, because all LoCo members in Ubuntu California are basically empowered to work on anything they like.
[03:23] <pleia2> so we just need one more brave soul to put their name forward to get the minimum
[03:23] <nhaines> So it's more administrative.  Running the meetings, updating the wiki, sending out email notifications, and so forth.
[03:23] <nhaines> Yup, it would be nice to have a real election.
[03:24] <ianorlin> hmm right no don't we have nhaines and I nominated so hopefully at least one or two people from bay area
[03:24] <ianorlin> or farther north asa that is a bit of a commute for say a release party
[03:25] <nhaines> Yes, it'd be nice to have the representation.  Although it's mainly symbolic.
[03:26] <nhaines> So the day after the nomination period closes, we'll start the election.
[03:26] <nhaines> Anyone who is a member of http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california/ is eligible to vote.
[03:28] <nhaines> The election will end on December 12th, and then we'll announce the results at the December 13th meeting before we break for the rest of the year.
[03:29] <nhaines> That's about all I have on that topic.
[03:29] <pleia2> we'll also need someone to volunteer who is not running to run the election, if there is one
[03:30] <nhaines> Yes, that would be helpful!
[03:30] <nhaines> So if you're interested, please volunteer on the mailing list.
[03:30] <pleia2> but I guess we'll cross that bridge if we get to it :)
[03:30] <nhaines> Yup.  :)
[03:32] <ianorlin> How many meetings in new year before scale?
[03:32] <nhaines> Just one.
[03:32] <ianorlin> ah ok
[03:32] <pleia2> unfortunately it's likely much too late to ask my employer for funding for the event
[03:33] <pleia2> I really needed that info 2 months ago
[03:33] <pleia2> so hopefully whatever funding is needed has come together
[03:34] <nhaines> Yes, Canonical's still working on it.
[03:35] <nhaines> The sponsorship brochure is finished but I wasn't able to get the address.  It's on the Ubucon site.
[03:35] <nhaines> Which is http://ubucon.org/ and is looking great.  It should get fully filled in over the next week.
[03:36] <pleia2> hopefully they'll be able to get it together earlier next year
[03:37] <pleia2> can't ask for funding less than 8 weeks before an event, particularly with the holidays in the way
[03:37] <nhaines> I think so.  The new venue made it difficult to get funding information together.
[03:37]  * pleia2 nods
[03:37] <nhaines> But all the planning is coming together well.  We'll need booth volunteers soon!
[03:38] <pleia2> great
[03:38] <nhaines> Anyone interested can sign up here  ;)  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale14x
[03:39] <nhaines> And that's easy too.  We'll need booth volunteers who can greet SCALE attendees and answer simple questions about Ubuntu.
[03:40] <nhaines> We'll also have phones and IoT devices running snappy Ubuntu Core to demonstrate.  So it's worth volunteering, and you'll get to be the first to experience those things hands on.
[03:40] <nhaines> Okay, about time to wrap everything up for tonight, I think.
[03:41] <nhaines> #topic Other business
[03:41] <nhaines> Any other business or comments before we wrap up tonight?
[03:41] <pleia2> I'm all set
[03:41] <pleia2> thanks for charing :)
[03:42] <nhaines> Thanks.  :)
[03:42]  * nhaines assumes pleia2 meant chairing and not charring.
[03:42] <nhaines> I already cooked earlier. ; )
[03:42] <nhaines> Okay, thanks to everyone for coming tonight!
[03:43] <nhaines> #endmeeting
[03:44] <pleia2> charring :d
[03:44] <pleia2> I woke up on the other coast, it's been a long day :)
[03:46] <nhaines> darkwizardjack: glad you could join us tonight!  How do you use Ubuntu?
[03:47] <pleia2> at least they use ipv6 :)
[03:52] <nhaines> Haha, yes!
[04:00] <pleia2> the "location" bit about the meetup group may make things tricky
[04:01] <pleia2> it's listed as being located in los angeles, so it may not get out to the folks in SF for our events up here
[04:01] <pleia2> I don't know how to make that better though :\
[04:01] <nhaines> Yeah.  I'm assured that the events themselves *should* still show up locally.
[04:02] <pleia2> ok :)
[04:04] <pleia2> nhaines: now that we sort of agreed to use it for now, want to formally announce the group to the team in an email?
[04:04] <pleia2> it was mentioned during the meeting email, but people would have to really read that :)
[04:05] <nhaines> pleia2: oh yeah, that's a good idea!
[04:06] <pleia2> I can put it on social media too
[04:17]  * pleia2 seeks dinner
[04:23] <nhaines> I can't help but wonder how I can get no phone calls all day and then as soon as there's a meeting I get like 3 phone calls all around it. :)
[04:47] <nhaines> Woo, post-meeting stuff done!  \o/
[05:09] <nhaines> We got our first mention from the SCALE website. :)  http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/14x/ubucon-summit


[15:35] <danilogondolfo> Is there a "ubuntu-way" of building the linux-(image|modules|modules-extra) packages with a different name (like with _test appended to their names or version) so I can install and remove them without any conflict? I need to test a patch and keep my root-on-zfs installation still working...
[16:14] <tjaalton> danilogondolfo: try changing debian.master/rules.d/amd64.mk, edit flavours


[03:41] <Noldorin> hi poolie
[03:42] <Noldorin> does anyone know if Markdown support has landed yet?
[13:13] <andyla> hi everyone, can someone please help me with this question: we are using bzr for a software project at uni. someday, I accidentally  checked in a huge (~1.5gb) data file. nobody really noted that so we kept working on the project and kept committing new code. But now, everytime we want to branch the repo it takes ages to get it - probably because of this data file.
[13:14] <andyla> of course I remove the file from version control when i noticed it's in there - but as this doesn't  remove the file from history, it still takes forever to get a branch. Is there a way to get rid off the file in history but to keep every other change?
[13:15] <andyla> I looked for that nearly everywhere, but didn't find a "nice" solution. I would really appreciate your help with this.
[15:46] <beuno> andyla, there isn't a nice solution for this
[15:49] <jelmer> hi beuno, andyla
[15:49] <jelmer> andyla: you should be able to uncommit until the revision from before the big file was added, and then replay the other revisions
[16:14] <andyla> thanks jelmer - sorry i didn't reply immediately, i almost gave up hope. im gonna find out if your solution
[16:14] <andyla>  works for me. thanks a lot
[20:41] <Noldorin> hi poolie
[21:30] <jelmer> hi Noldorin
[22:00] <KombuchaKip> jelmer: Heard back from Adam: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-gtk/+bug/797438
[22:01] <jelmer> KombuchaKip: thanks
[22:01] <KombuchaKip> jelmer: np.
[22:01] <jelmer> KombuchaKip: to be honest, I think for nautilus-bzr we should first be focussing on actually getting nautilus-bzr working properly before we look at fixes like this
[22:02] <KombuchaKip> jelmer: True. Launchpad is patient enough and that bug can sit there until someone is ready to deal with it, like dirty dishes.
[22:12] <Noldorin> hi jelmer


 @Prab, If you need help in installing PHP, Apache, etc this is a good starting point: … https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-linux-apache-mysql-php-lamp-stack-on-ubuntu-16-04
[06:12] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:46] <tomte> hi there, I run kubuntu with plasma here and it creates some default folders like Pictures, Templates, Public...
[11:47] <tomte> how do I get rid of them permanently?
[12:41] <anarchotaoist> Hello! On a Dell Precision 5520 I am running Kubuntu BB. I have wobble when scrolling, red and green striped icons when I awaken the laptop and sometimes a fractured desktop. Can anyone give advice?
[12:46] <diogenes_> anarchotaoist, have you run plasma with no issues on that machine before?
[12:48] <anarchotaoist> No. It came pre-installed with Ubuntu 16.04. I put in a new larger drive and installed Kubuntu.
[12:49] <diogenes_> anarchotaoist, inxi -Fx | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:50] <anarchotaoist> @diogenes Sorry, what does that mean? I am new to Linux.
[12:51] <anarchotaoist> terminal command?
[12:53] <diogenes_> anarchotaoist, yes, that a terminal command that will give you a link in the terminal
[12:53] <diogenes_> you need to share the link you get here
[12:54] <anarchotaoist> ok. thanks. I need to install inxi apparently. I quickly do that.
[12:55] <diogenes_> ok
[12:56] <lordievader> If you want to know the system details it is often easier to ask for `lspci -k` output. Lspci is more likely installed than inxi.
[12:57] <anarchotaoist> http://termbin.com/ujzd
[12:58] <diogenes_> anarchotaoist, what command did you run :)
[12:59] <anarchotaoist> nxi -Fx | nc termbin.com 9999  -is that wrong?
[12:59] <diogenes_> anarchotaoist, it's unreadable ok try what lordievader suggested, run: lspci -k | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:59] <diogenes_> share the link here
[13:00] <anarchotaoist> Ok, I just pasted that in the browser and saw computer specifications but will try the other command.
[13:00] <lordievader> Lovely those color escape codes, eh 😋
[13:00] <diogenes_> :)
[13:02] <anarchotaoist> Ok, I have specs from "lspci -k"
[13:03] <diogenes_> and?
[13:04] <anarchotaoist> should I put "lspci -k nc termbin.com 9999"
[13:04] <diogenes_> lspci -k | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:04] <diogenes_> and you get a link
[13:04] <anarchotaoist> ok
[13:05] <anarchotaoist> http://termbin.com/nhc7
[13:06] <lordievader> Is it a server?
[13:07] <lordievader> Oh wait, you said it is a laptop.
[13:07] <anarchotaoist> Is my laptop a server?
[13:07] <lordievader> Laptop with a Xeon?
[13:07] <lordievader> Odd
[13:07] <anarchotaoist> Yes, a Dell Precision 5520
[13:07] <anarchotaoist> Intel and Nvidia
[13:07] <diogenes_> and nvidia quadro of :(
[13:08] <diogenes_> anarchotaoist, ok now run this: glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"
[13:08] <diogenes_> paste here the line you get in terminal
[13:08] <anarchotaoist> ok
[13:09] <anarchotaoist> string: Quadro M1200/PCIe/SSE2
[13:09] <diogenes_> hmm so you switched the driver to nvidia in nvidia-settings?
[13:10] <anarchotaoist> Yes, Nvidia 390.48 I think
[13:10] <diogenes_> go back to nvidia settings > PRIME switch to intel, reboot and come back, see if you still got issues
[13:11] <anarchotaoist> ok
[13:19] <anarchotaoist> Hello. I have rebooted. I have not been able to reproduce the red & green striped icons upon awakening the laptop from sleep. That said, it does not happen every time. I am still getting very bad wobble/ripple when scrolling.
[13:22] <diogenes_> anarchotaoist, one more time run: glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"
[13:22] <diogenes_> paste here what you get
[13:23] <anarchotaoist> string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) HD Graphics 630 (Kaby Lake GT2)
[13:23] <diogenes_> anarchotaoist, ok now we can try to do a trick
[13:23] <anarchotaoist> ok
[13:24] <diogenes_> in terminal run: ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
[13:24] <diogenes_> just tell me what you get in terminal
[13:25] <anarchotaoist> ls: cannot access '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d': No such file or directory
[13:25] <diogenes_> ok
[13:25] <diogenes_> run: sudo mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
[13:26] <diogenes_> just say when done
[13:26] <anarchotaoist> ok, new empty line
[13:27] <diogenes_> now: sudo touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
[13:27] <anarchotaoist> doen
[13:27] <anarchotaoist> done
[13:27] <diogenes_> now: sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
[13:29] <anarchotaoist> Executing Kate as root is not possible. To edit files as root use:
[13:29] <anarchotaoist> Executing Kate as root is not possible. To edit files as root use:
[13:29] <anarchotaoist> SUDO_EDITOR=kate sudoedit <file>
[13:29] <diogenes_> ok try: pkexec kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
[13:30] <anarchotaoist> same response
[13:31] <diogenes_> ok can you use nano vim?
[13:33] <anarchotaoist> kate sudoedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf opened Kate!
[13:33] <anarchotaoist> Yes?
[13:33] <diogenes_> ok now open this link: http://dpaste.com/3W0SY4S
[13:34] <diogenes_> paste into that new opened document
[13:34] <diogenes_> save, close
[13:34] <anarchotaoist> done
[13:35] <diogenes_> after that run: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:35] <diogenes_> share the link here
[13:35] <anarchotaoist> http://termbin.com/fhqe
[13:36] <diogenes_> open that document again and remove those 1 2 3 4 5 numbers so you leave only the text
[13:37] <anarchotaoist> ok
[13:37] <diogenes_> after that run: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:37] <diogenes_> share
[13:38] <anarchotaoist> http://termbin.com/etp7
[13:39] <diogenes_> looks good this time, now you go ahead and reboot BUT be careful, if for some reason you are welcomed with a black screen, you need to switch to VT by alt+ctrl+f1/2/3 and run: sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf.bak
[13:39] <diogenes_> write somewhere that command
[13:39] <diogenes_> and then reboot again
[13:39] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:40] <anarchotaoist> ok
[13:40] <diogenes_> hey BluesKaj
[13:40] <anarchotaoist> gulp
[13:40] <BluesKaj> hy diogenes_
[13:47] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj
[13:47] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[13:54] <BluesKaj> hey lordievader doing fine ,and you?
[13:55] <lordievader> Doing good here. Playing with wireguard. It is so much easier than ipsec 😁
[13:55] <BluesKaj> no kidding :-)
[13:56] <lordievader> Yes, I know. Everything is easier than ipsec 😋
[13:57] <BluesKaj> considered wireguard, but already use a decent vpn so it's probly not worth the effort
[13:58] <BluesKaj> wireguard seems to be a different protocol then the regular ones like openvpn etc
[13:58] <BluesKaj> then=than
[13:58] <anarchotaoist> Hello @diogenes_ That seems to have taken a lot of the wobble out of the scrolling - however it is a more jagged now! ? Opening the laptop from sleep does not fuzz the icons. Cool! Will it work this way if I switch back to Nvidia? Thanks!
[13:59] <diogenes_> anarchotaoist, that's the problem, it might not work if you switch to nvidia and nvidia probably won't even start so whenever you switch to nvidia, you need to run: sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf.bak
[14:02] <anarchotaoist> oh really!! It is Nvidia that has access to the dedicated graphics, yes, that allows better working in Gimp, Krita etc, yes?
[14:05] <diogenes_> anarchotaoist, nvidia yes but your nvidia is quadro so it won't be that much performant
[14:06] <anarchotaoist> ok. mv = move, yes? Can I just copy the file to the other directory so they are in both places or does it not work that way?
[14:07] <diogenes_> in this case mv = rename
[14:07] <diogenes_> it will rename the conf to conf.back
[14:07] <anarchotaoist> ah, yes same directory
[14:07] <diogenes_> to switch it back: mv conf.bak .conf
[14:08] <anarchotaoist> tricky
[14:08] <diogenes_> but you understood how it works?
[14:08] <anarchotaoist> not really. :)
[14:08] <diogenes_> anarchotaoist, onw more trick you could try
[14:09] <anarchotaoist> ok
[14:09] <diogenes_> to gain more performance and less lag
[14:09] <diogenes_> go to system settings > desktop > hardware (somewhere there i can't remember exactly) you need to switch the compositor backend from opengl to xrender
[14:09] <diogenes_> reboot afterwards
[14:10] <anarchotaoist> ok. I already had it set to xrender
[14:10] <diogenes_> then you can try to switch it to opengl and see what you get with this new intel configuration'
[14:10] <diogenes_> maybe you gain some smooth performance
[14:11] <anarchotaoist> ok, cheers. Thanks for your help and persistence!
[14:11] <diogenes_> np
[15:58] <madghost> hello
[15:58] <madghost> how I can change driver for my network card ?
[16:35] <lordievader> madghost: Why do you want to?
[16:36] <lordievader> Other question, you actually have more than one available?


[00:02] <mgz> gra, this is more of a mess than I thought
[00:03] <mgz> we have bug 485601 and one against bzr-svn
[00:04] <mgz> and dupes of each of those from both glyph and exarkun
[00:10] <mgz> sorry for the tag spam, should save searching by bug filer in future
[00:12] <mgz> the good news is we've fixed about half the found by twisted bugs
[00:13] <mgz> the bad news is the other half still has a lot of scary bugs in it
[00:54] <jelmer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bazaar/+bugs?field.tag=affects-twisted
[03:40] <jdobrien> hello all. I am trying to use colo and pipelines together, I have a branch with a few pipelines and I would like to push on of them to launchpad and propose it for merging, but I'm missing something... my typical bzr push is not working with this scenario
[07:04] <jo-erlend_> what am I doing wrong? bzr branch bzr+ssh:jo-erlend@desktop.local:/devel/project
[07:04] <jo-erlend_> bzr: ERROR: Unsupported protocol for url "bzr+ssh:jo-erlend@desktop.local:/home/jo-erlend/devel/project"
[07:34] <vila> jo-erlend_: bzr+ssh://user@host/path , check your '/' and ':'
[07:34] <vila> mailto:bzr+ssh:jo-erlend@desktop.local:/devel/project
[07:34] <vila> grrr
[07:35] <vila><EMAIL_ADDRESS>is probably what you want
[07:36] <vila> hey guys, I encounter wm issues there bbiab
[07:57] <mgz> morning!
[07:57] <vila> mgz: pool time !
[07:57] <vila> err, sry wrong time frame ;)
[07:58] <mgz> :)
[08:35] <mgz> what's that tool jam and others were using to simulate a slow network for testing?
[08:35] <jam> mgz: the command is 'tc' let me poke at it, just a sec
[08:36] <jam> mgz: doc/developers/testing.txt
[08:36] <vila> mgz: see testing.txt in doc/developers
[08:36] <jam> "simulating slow networks"
[08:36] <vila> :)
[08:37] <mgz> ta.
[08:57] <vila> mgz, jelmer: standup ?
[08:59] <mgz> tis time.
[09:03] <vila> jelmer: pingeling
[10:24] <mgz> precise babune eh.
[10:33] <vila> hpmf, no way to prepare surprises :)
[10:33] <vila> started on the wrong foot but successful at the second run, not that bad
[10:39] <mgz> okay, woho, with the right bits installed I can reproduce some of these failures
[10:40] <vila> for which value of 'these' ?
[10:41] <mgz> the url normalisation regressions that broke the windows buildbot
[10:41] <vila> \o/
[10:41] <mgz> ...and the sftp tests leak threads
[10:42] <mgz> the isolation failure ones are drive name specific
[10:42] <mgz> but the tilde handling is a general issue
[10:42] <vila> ouch, for these ones, reproducing is far away from fixing (IIRC paramiko just won't let you wrap the thread creations)
[10:42] <mgz> Gio also fails some tests
[10:42] <vila> gio ? on windows ?
[10:42] <mgz> no, I haven't got windows here
[10:43] <mgz> which is a bit daft, because three of the things I need to finish from last week could do with being tested there
[10:43] <vila> o.O
[10:44] <mgz> anyway, this:
[10:45] <mgz> `mkdir /tmp/tilde~ && TEMP=/tmp/tilde~ ./bzr selftest -s bt.per_transport SFTP`
[10:45] <mgz> works to get 4 of the failures from babune
[10:46] <vila> oooh
[10:46] <vila> urgh
[10:47] <mgz> regression from r6079 see bug 842223
[10:48] <vila> yeah, but I haven't realized it could be triggered that easily..
[10:50] <mgz> I can probably write a specific test here now, which will mean I can fix (or at least fiddle with till that test passes) the handling
[10:50] <mgz> the url code makes me unhappy
[10:51] <mgz> we still have the other windows babune issue, which is the failure to remove shell script thing
[10:52] <vila> forget about that one, too obscure to diagnose and probably involve both vbox and jenkins and the phase of the moon
[10:53] <vila> well, it may also just be a hang :)
[10:53] <vila> ... that leads to a vm being killed which itself forbids jenkins to remove a file from a dead host
[10:55] <mgz> yeah.
[11:28] <hrw> hi
[11:29] <hrw> how to commit 2 lines from file with other changes? 'bzr commit --interactive' operates on diff hunks which are too big in this case
[11:37] <mgz> hrw: shelve everything you don't want to commit right now
[11:38] <hrw> mgz: ok, so other option then revert edits
[11:39] <mgz> if you set a change editor, you can pick out which parts to shelve on a sub-hunk basis
[12:01] <samebchase> Hi, I'm unable to do: bzr launchpad-login
[12:01] <samebchase> I am behind a proxy
[12:02] <samebchase> The error message I get is: bzr: ERROR: Connection error: Couldn't resolve host 'launchpad.net' [Errno -2] Name or service not known
[12:02] <samebchase> Can someone please advise me as to what I should be doing?
[12:12] <mgz> samebchase: can you ssh to arbitrary servers?
[12:12] <samebchase> mgz: yeah
[12:12] <samebchase> In the meantime, however
[12:13] <samebchase> I've been able to bzr branch a repo
[12:14] <mgz> then you can do everything you really need, just set launchpad_username by editing ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf
[12:14] <samebchase> mgz: oh. let me try that
[12:15] <samebchase> Did what was told here:  http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Using_bzr_and_launchpad_behind_a_proxy
[12:15] <mgz> otherwise you'll be able to branch (anonymously) over http, but not push
[12:15] <samebchase> hmm
[12:16] <mgz> okay, if you followed that you'll be okay
[12:16] <mgz> just need to set username, and give launchpad your public key if you've not already
[12:17] <mgz> then can try pushing something to lp:~/+junk/testbranch
[12:17] <mgz> may need ~yourusername if you've got an older bzr version
[12:21] <samebchase> I've added launchpad_username = samebchase
[12:21] <samebchase> I've already added my public key
[12:23] <mgz> if your test branch was using bzr+ssh: as per that page rather than lp: then you're probably all done
[12:23] <samebchase> mgz: Thanks a lot for your help. I've got to go out now, sorry!
[12:23] <samebchase> mgz: will have to figure out the rest later tonight
[12:24] <samebchase> mgz: thanks!
[13:09] <jelmer> grmbl, clearly this is not my day
[13:10]  * mgz gives jelmer a cupcake
[13:10]  * jelmer has been fighting with bzr-builddeb code all morning
[13:11] <jelmer> thanks mgz :)
[13:16]  * vila offers a coffee ;)
[13:17] <vila> jelmer, mgz: should we do the standup now ?
[13:21] <jelmer> vila: might as well
[13:21] <jelmer> vila, mgz: 13:30 UTC ?
[13:21] <vila> jelmer: cool, feel free to vent if it helps ;)
[13:21] <vila> 10 mins from now is good for me
[13:27] <mgz> there was talk of lunch heree, but I have a feeling it's still a way off
[13:29] <mgz> lets do it, I can eat later
[13:36] <jo-erlend> where does bazaar explorer store its bookmarks?
[15:34] <webm0nk3y> I'm having trouble in a colocated branch. I started a new branch and now I have a bunch of conflicts from work in another branch
[15:36] <jelmer> jo-erlend: my guess is somewhere in .bzr/branch/branch.conf ?
[15:36] <jelmer> webm0nk3y: hi
[15:37] <webm0nk3y> jelmer: hi
[15:40] <psusi> bzr doesn't have any cherry pick tracking?  Is that a feature that is coming any time soon? ;)
[15:41] <jelmer> webm0nk3y: can you provide a bit more background?
[15:41] <webm0nk3y> jelmer: sure
[15:41] <webm0nk3y> jelmer: actually I think I goofed up
[15:41] <webm0nk3y> jelmer: I did bzr colo-branch <new branch>
[15:41] <webm0nk3y> jelmer: then started hacking
[15:42] <jelmer> psusi: no, there is no cherry picking tracking at the moment. we have some ideas about it, but it's hard to implement cherrypicking tracking in a way that doesn't impact merge
[15:42] <jelmer> psusi: *merge performance
[15:44] <psusi> drat... I'm trying to find a way to give two branches a common ancestor that don't already have one ( because one is built from tarball release )... was hoping cherry picking could do it... oh well...
[15:45] <jelmer> psusi: you can do that without cherrypicking
[15:45] <jelmer> psusi: "bzr merge -r0..-1 <other-branch>"
[15:46] <psusi> revision -1?
[15:46] <jelmer> psusi: it works like in python. -1 is the last revision
[15:46] <jelmer> "bzr merge-r0.. <other-branch>" would work too
[15:47] <psusi> won't that result in all kinds of conflicts as merge tries to pull in changes that already exist here?
[15:48] <jelmer> psusi: you can revert the changes afterwards ("bzr revert .") to only add the new parent
[15:49] <psusi> hrm... so in other words, it will make a mess, but I can just sweep it all under the rug, and when I commit the merge, the history will be knit together?
[15:50] <jelmer> psusi: sortof :)
[15:50] <psusi> as long as the rev I'm merging from actually is common between the two branches then it should work out... hrm...
[15:52] <psusi> so let me see if I've got this... what I'm trying to solve is that the ubuntu package merges from the debian package... the debian package merges from what it calls 'upstream' but is really just a branch they unpack the upstream release tarball into...
[15:52] <jelmer> ah
[15:53] <jelmer> I'm not really sure if the "merge -r0..-1" trick will really be useful in that case
[15:53] <jelmer> you can stitch the history together but the file ids will still be different
[15:53] <psusi> if I find the correct upstream revision that the tarball came from, I can take the debian branch, and do a full merge from that upstream revision, revert the conflicts, and after commit, the debian branch will have a common ancestor with upstream, allowing merge from upstream into the debian branch, or the ubuntu branch ( after it merges from debian )
[15:54] <psusi> so that should be ok as long as debian starts merging from upstream instead of tarballing it, but if they keep tarballing, it will make for messy conflicts?
[15:55] <jelmer> what is upstream in?
[15:55] <psusi> ultimately, git.kernel.org... but lp is auto importing that into a bzr branch
[15:55] <jelmer> ah, hmm
[15:56] <jelmer> this is the "parallel import" use case
[15:57] <psusi> I guess so?  debian pulls from upstream but via tarball... I'd like to pull from upstream properly... two paths for upstream to get into our repository...
[16:01] <jelmer> psusi: in order for bzr to be able to deal with that properly it has to somehow know that a particular upstream revision and a particular revision from debian should be considered the same
[16:01] <jelmer> psusi: we don't have a mechanism that does that yet
[16:02] <psusi> jelmer: isn't that what you would get by doing that merge, revert conflicts, commit dance?
[16:03] <jelmer> psusi: no, that will stitch the history together but won't actually make bzr consider two revisions the same
[16:05] <psusi> jelmer: isn't that enough?  why does it need to consider them to be the same?
[16:20] <Noldorin> why do the windows releases for bzr beta always come latest?
[16:21] <vila> Noldorin: hear hear ! We have a new volunteer to build the installers :)
[16:21] <Noldorin> you guys do know windows has far many more bzr users than Mac? :-P
[16:21] <Noldorin> and probably most linux distros
[16:21] <Noldorin> ha
[16:22] <Noldorin> vila, nah just questioning priorities. it's too hard for me ;-)
[16:22] <vila> ... but far less volunteers, yeah, that's the key :-/
[16:22] <Noldorin> vila, i tried before and failed miserably.
[16:22] <vila> :-(
[16:22] <Noldorin> vila, if you want to help me get the installer building here, i would consider it though.
[16:23] <vila> Noldorin: try pinging jam and/or mgz, windows is out of my league (not to mention my plate ;)
[16:23] <Noldorin> hah ok
[16:23] <Noldorin> vila, you're a core dev eh?
[16:23] <Noldorin> jam, mgz hi
[16:23]  * vila nods
[16:24] <Noldorin> vila, while you're hear...will co-located branches make it into bzr-core for 2.5 final?
[16:24] <vila> there are strong hopes for that yes
[16:25] <Noldorin> cool
[16:25] <jelmer> psusi: it needs to stitch the individual file histories together for that as well
[16:26] <mgz> jelmer: updates to info-empty-controlir and verify-remote-signatures look good, but have conflicts to sort out before landing
[16:26] <Noldorin> vila, and will the URL format improve? i mean something more like url,colo-branch instead of url,branch=colo-branch
[16:27] <vila> It is still planned AIUI
[16:27] <mgz> Noldorin: yes, the setup needed for windows installers is a little out of most people's reach currently
[16:27] <Noldorin> hmm
[16:28] <Noldorin> mgz, don't you guys have a build server? :-)
[16:28] <Noldorin> vila, AIUI?
[16:28] <vila> As I Understand It
[16:28] <Noldorin> ok
[16:28] <Noldorin> vila, so posibly by final release...
[16:28] <vila> yup
[16:28] <mgz> there are a lot of manual things to do, that aren't easy to automate
[16:28] <Noldorin> :-)
[16:29] <Noldorin> vila, good work on all the rest, i do say. very happy with the beta so far
[16:29] <vila> thanks, very much appreciated, will repeat it to responsible parties ;)
[16:29] <Noldorin> vila, it makes me glad because i can still resist the Git movement heh ;-)
[16:30] <jelmer> mgz: thanks
[16:30] <vila> resistance is not futile :)
[16:30] <Noldorin> mgz, ah okay. just thought the bzr guys, being such proponents of agile/iterative dev and all, would have a CI server up. but fair enough
[16:30] <Noldorin> what sort of environment does it require?
[16:31] <vila> there *is* a CI server, it's used for tests so far ;)
[16:31] <vila> http://babune.ladeuil.net:24842/
[16:31] <Noldorin> vila, indeed. my minimalist attitude won't let me use git. bzr if i can, hg if i have to
[16:31] <Noldorin> vila, oh ok :-)
[16:31] <Noldorin> that's a good start
[16:32] <Noldorin> Jenkins looks pretty nice. plan on using it for my own projs
[16:35] <Noldorin> vila, mgz in fact i will be setting up my personal bulid server later this week. perhaps we can talk about setting up a Windows installer build then
[16:35] <Noldorin> brb
[16:35] <vila> Noldorin: that would rock !
[16:54] <Noldorin> vila, yeah, will get back to you soon about it i hope :-)
[16:59] <jelmer> mgz: any chance of an update to the MPs?
[17:30] <mgz> jelmer: done
[17:30] <jelmer> mgz: thanks!
[17:50] <mgz> okay, confusing bug state again.
[17:50] <mgz> fullermd's bug is actually fixed, and is basically the cause of the current complaint.
[17:50] <mgz> so in other words, it's his fault.
[18:00] <vila> mgz: and ? You're surprised ???
[18:00] <vila> :-D
[18:01]  * vila is not even here
[18:04] <Noldorin> back
[18:05] <mgz> Noldorin: your step one should be just running `bzr selftest` locally and seing if you have any issues.
[18:08] <fullermd> Hmmwhut?  I didn't do it.  I was never even in that warehouse, and where would I get that much napalm anyway?
[18:09] <Noldorin> mgz, once i get the build server up and running you mean? :-)
[18:09] <mgz> bug 148030 fullermd :)
[18:10] <mgz> Noldorin: well, I imagine those tasks could be parallelised if you're using bzr on your local machine too :)
[18:10] <fullermd> Oh.  I didn't _want_ to file that.  vila made me do it.  So it's really his fault.
[18:11] <Noldorin> mgz, yeah, although i'm using the exe rather than py version on my laptop so that i get tortoisebzr support
[18:11] <fullermd> That's probably why he's trying so hard to pin it on me above.  The very nerve!
[19:24] <vila> fullermd: me ?  You're the #1 on the list of people talking the most about them  !
[19:27] <fullermd> You sure do seem to know a lot about who talks about them.  SUSPICIOUSLY a lot, one might say...
[19:27] <mgz> vila: did anyone send the standup notes to the list?
[19:27] <mgz> and can you tell me what bugs I said I was working on this week...
[19:35] <mgz> okay, bug 842223 is this one
[20:15] <mgz> I'll post the standup notes for today to the list.
[21:48] <glyph> jelmer: hey
[21:48] <glyph> jelmer: are you around?
[21:49] <glyph> I'd like to fix Twisted's broken revisions
[21:49] <glyph> My understanding is that if we update the official Bazaar mirror to bzr-svn 1.1.1, then delete and re-generate everything, and tell everyone to stop pulling from svn and pull only from bzr-svn
[21:49] <glyph> that we will be okay
[21:50] <glyph> I am starting to think that the reason we were seeing that problem recently is that Launchpad's mirror has effectively done this already, so maybe we can save some time and pull from Launchpad's mirror rather than from svn
[23:44] <jelmer> 'evening
[23:44] <jelmer> glyph: hi
[23:50] <poolie> hi jelmer
[23:50] <Noldorin> hi jelmer
[23:50] <Noldorin> hmm...why does bzr not like symlink dirs in sitepackages?
[23:51] <jelmer> hi poolie, Noldorin
[23:51] <peitschie> hi jelmer :)
[23:51] <peitschie> and the rest :D
[23:51] <poolie> Noldorin, what do you mean?
[23:51] <jelmer> Noldorin: I think we just rely on Python there
[23:52] <jelmer> poolie: it looks like launchpad-buildd 95 worked, but 97 broke all recipe builds because it no longer installs apt_pkg
[23:52] <Noldorin> poolie, jelmer a symlink dir (on windows) in site-packages doesn't get picked up
[23:52] <Noldorin> whereas a real dir does
[23:52] <jelmer> poolie: oh, I see you're already talking in #-ops
[23:53] <poolie> yep
[23:53] <poolie> i'm uploading a fix now
[23:55] <jelmer> cool
[23:57] <Noldorin> jelmer, poolie not sure what bzr is doing to miss it
[23:57] <Noldorin> using the bundled win32 dist here
[23:57] <Noldorin> win7, x64
[23:58] <jelmer> Noldorin: does python work with a symlink dir?
[23:59] <Noldorin> jelmer, apparently so
[23:59] <Noldorin> jelmer, was just enquiring about that, but it seems it does


[01:33] <[Relic]> I can get seperate X screens (one on each monitor) but I can't get each screen to operate independantly and each have essentially a full kubuntu session running at once.  Would changing sddm to lightdm make that possible or is it some other component that is stopping me?
[01:35] <sentre> [Relic] just me again wish i could help , i think we're both gonna have to go direxctly to the kde developers thru forums or bug reports or something
[01:35] <sentre> my problem isn't fixable either  :(
[01:36] <[Relic]> what is yours?
[01:36] <sentre> gonna wait till 5.8.5 lands on backports
[01:36] <sentre> can't get unified outputs to display in correct resolution for each display
[01:36] <[Relic]> I remember that
[01:36] <sentre> so if main is 1900/x whatever and notebook is 1333 x what ever one or the othewr is useless
[01:37] <sentre> so make using duel monitors freakin useless lol
[01:37] <[Relic]> so cloning display on two different resolutions doesn't work well
[01:38] <sentre> doesn't work at alol
[01:38] <sentre> plus the extended display is freakin anoying
[01:38] <sentre> to me atleast
[01:39] <sentre> pick one monitor as main , then all window jump and and max on main , but all functions are avaailable tgthe real desktop on secondary?
[01:39] <sentre> um who thought that one up :)
[01:39] <sentre> not to mention no capability to project a screen thru wifi
[01:39] <sentre> i just think duel support is like back of list atm
[01:40] <sentre> not sure why sinse almost everything short of a pi pc comes with hsmi out now atleast
[01:41] <sentre> if they worked on duel monitor config they way the do on windows config , kde would be light years ahead of alot of distros
[01:42] <sentre> i mean sizing reshaping affects ect. now windows os :)
[01:42] <sentre> not windows
[01:42] <sentre> the os
[04:57] <jack> Trying to update from 16.04 to 16.10 followed instructions from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YakketyUpgrades/Kubuntu when I go to upgrade it does nothing
[04:58] <jack> I enteredsudo do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f DistUpgradeViewKDE
[04:58] <jack> I entered sudo do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f DistUpgradeViewKDE manually
[04:58] <jack> and got the error FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/share/ubuntu-release-upgrader/fetch-progress.ui'
[04:58] <jack> how can this be fixed?
[05:04] <[Relic]> is that the one that needs the ->  This can be fixed by installing the package ubuntu-release-upgrader-qt via Discover/Muon or another package manager.  Or alternatively by installing in Konsole or other terminal application with 'sudo apt install ubuntu-release-upgrader-qt'.
[05:05] <[Relic]> jack, if you don't have that package installed like it says on that page it can prevent the upgrade
[05:05] <sintre> happy new year all
[05:06] <[Relic]> or if you are on your third+ drink, hippie nude deer
[05:07] <sintre> jack > update , then upgrade everything you can
[05:07] <sintre> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:07] <sintre> sudo do-release-upgrade
[05:08] <[Relic]> the error he shows means the upgrader wasn't installed
[05:08] <sintre> how did that happen?
[05:08] <sintre> ok probally a question we don't wanna try to find tonight lol
[05:08] <jack> lol.
[05:08] <jack> thanks guys
[05:09] <jack> going to reset pc
[05:09] <[Relic]> best guess it was LTS and people didn't put it in the LTS
[05:09] <sintre> i use lts and its in lts
[05:09] <sintre> well guess we'll never get to bototm of that one
[05:09] <[Relic]> first time I did 16.04 to 16.10 it wasn't there
[05:10] <sintre> well i was coming from backported upgraded 16.04 last time i did that upgrade
[05:10] <sintre> so maybe its not be default
[05:29] <[Relic]> kwin
[05:30] <dorothy> Hi, for some reason the network symbol from the status bar of my Kubuntu 16.10 vanished that I am unable to connect to WiFi through GUI. How can I reset the status bar so that the network symbol in status bar reappears?
[05:31] <sintre> go to settings
[05:33] <sintre> ksry had to much to trouble shoot this of top of my head
[05:33] <sintre> mean drink
[05:33] <sintre> give me a minute to think lol
[05:33] <dorothy> sintre: talking to me?
[05:33] <sintre> yea hope you ignored me :)
[05:34] <sintre> was gonna follow that up with a how to but distracted atm  :)
[05:35] <sintre> plus i'm using 16.04 lts so problally not best to help with this one
[05:37] <dorothy> sintre: I just need a gui to connect to WiFi. wpa_cli is not working well
[05:38] <sintre> you lost connection editor somehow correct?
[05:38] <dorothy> sintre: Yes which you see in system tray
[05:39] <sintre> i'm in it now but can figure out its name to activate it , has a setting to add to try
[05:39] <sintre> so finding it if i can
[05:41] <sintre> ok i'm drunk now officall
[05:41] <sintre> right click on desktop
[05:41] <sintre> then go to widgets
[05:41] <sintre> look fr widget that says connection
[05:41] <sintre> thats the manager
[05:42] <sintre> drag and drop where you want it
[05:42] <sintre> of course last place i'd look for it :)
[05:43] <dorothy> sintre: Have searched there. No widget called connection
[05:43] <sintre> sorry it says networks
[05:43] <sintre> again been long night :)
[05:44] <dorothy> sintre: I have tried those keywords. Only "Network Monitor" shows up
[05:45] <sintre> no do't use key words in krunner
[05:45] <sintre> right click on disktop then click add widget
[05:45] <dorothy> sintre: Yes, I am talking about widget part itself
[05:45] <sintre> then go find the icon that says networks
[05:45] <sintre> click on it then drag to deskktop
[05:46] <sintre> then click on it again
[05:46] <dorothy> sintre: Nada. Not there
[05:47] <sintre> its there but in the lil box the widgets pop up it may not have an icon
[05:48] <sintre> until you drag it and place it on desktop
[05:49] <sintre> its probally by notes if that helps
[05:49] <dorothy> I am 16.10
[05:49] <dorothy> No such widget
[05:49] <dorothy> I am on*
[05:50] <sintre> well i am using 16.04 , but upgraded , i can't imagine it not having a widget
[05:50] <sintre> if you haven't solved you problem i'll update a different pc
[05:50] <[Relic]> called system tray in 16.10
[05:51] <[Relic]> system tray settings
[05:51] <sintre> tomorrow when i'm sober enough lol , thx relic
[05:51] <[Relic]> usually shows the triangle the speaker and the scissors
[05:51] <dorothy> [Relic]: I dragged system tray, it's without network management icon
[05:52] <sintre> ok screw new solution
[05:52] <sintre> take curour to right or left o screen
[05:53] <sintre> then right click and say add panel select default panel
[05:53] <[Relic]> right click and call up the system tray settings and make sure network is checked
[05:53] <sintre> ssee if that gives you one
[05:53] <dorothy> [Relic]: There is no Network option either in hidden menu nor in configuration
[05:54] <dorothy> [Relic]: For System Tray widget
[05:54] <dorothy> sintre: Yes, have done that as well. Nothing. It's again with network icon
[05:55] <sintre> i jsut gave myself three panels around entire border all came with them hmm
[05:55] <dorothy> Even tried direct ethernet connection, not working directly
[05:55] <dorothy> Something is messed up on network level
[05:56] <[Relic]> so when you right click on that and bring up the system tray settings general categories has 5 selections, then below that in extra items the 3rd item here is Networks
[05:57] <dorothy> System Tray Settings > General > Categories - no network option here. Then Extra Items - no network option here as well
[05:57] <dorothy> I have done all this
[05:58] <[Relic]> that section scrolls, but it should be there
[05:58] <sintre> i believe you dorothy > but this is a head scratcher
[05:59] <dorothy> [Relic]: Yes, I checked it thoroughly
[05:59] <sintre> that even making new default panel won't bring up network config in the panel
[05:59] <[Relic]> weird thought but have you just tried a reboot and see if it shows up?
[05:59] <dorothy> [Relic]: Yep. Nothing even after multiple reboots
[06:00] <dorothy> Even connecting to WiFi through cli is failing
[06:00] <dorothy> Kernel module for WiFi is loaded already
[06:00] <dorothy> wpa_cli is failing
[06:00] <dorothy> No GUI
[06:01] <sintre> update and upgrade everything?
[06:01] <dorothy> sintre: How will I update and upgrade? lol
[06:01] <dorothy> There is no network connection
[06:01] <sintre> if not network how are you talking to us
[06:01] <dorothy> I am chatting through another system
[06:02] <sintre> well honestly even sober i wouldn't know where to go from here
[06:03] <dorothy> Yeah, even I am thinking what to do
[06:03] <sintre> well go nuclear aka reinstall
[06:03] <sintre> after you back up
[06:03] <dorothy> Ah ni
[06:03] <dorothy> Ah no
[06:03] <sintre> decide  if its easier than trying to trouble shoot this
[06:04] <sintre> well thats up for you to decide of course
[06:06] <sintre> well tomorrow alot more people will probally be around
[06:07] <sintre> hopefully they can come up with a solution for you
[06:07] <dorothy> There must be a qdbus command to trigger network management window
[06:08] <sintre> well why the widet itself decided to disapear from your entire os is well stranger
[06:08] <dorothy> yes
[06:09] <sintre> sudo start network-manager
[06:09] <[Relic]> system settings -> network (settings or connectivity) do anything?
[06:10] <dorothy> [Relic]: I could not see option to connect to WiFi through System Settings>Network anywhere
[06:11] <sintre> is it possible you have a laptop with wifi fn+ key you may of hit and disabled wifi by acident?
[06:11] <dorothy> sintre: uh what. command not found"
[06:11] <dorothy> sintre: Nope, tried
[06:12] <dorothy> Even ethernet is not working directly
[06:12] <dorothy> USB tethering is not working
[06:12] <dorothy> The entire network system seems to have been affected
[06:12] <dorothy> ifconfig shows fine
[06:12] <sintre> well sound like something went really wrong with your install at this point
[06:13] <dorothy> It's not a fresh install
[06:13] <dorothy> Using this version since launch
[06:13] <sintre> well up to you to decide how many hours you want to mess with trying to fix this
[06:13] <sintre> its not normall
[06:13] <[Relic]> system setting -> start up shut down -> background services is network status checked and running in the startup services box?
[06:14] <dorothy> [Relic]: Okay, this I didn't try. Hold on
[06:14] <[Relic]> also plasmanetwork management module
[06:16] <dorothy> [Relic]: Okay, System Settings>Workspace section > Startup and Shutdown > Background Services > Startup Services section - Network Proxy Configuration and Network Status are working
[06:16] <dorothy> Running that is
[06:16] <dorothy> [Relic]: Now about plasmanetwork management module, where is it?
[06:16] <[Relic]> two down from the one above usually
[06:17] <[Relic]> plasma networmanagement module
[06:17] <dorothy> Under Startup Services itself?
[06:17] <[Relic]> yep
[06:17] <[Relic]> should be right under notification helper
[06:18] <dorothy> Nothing by that name. Only Power Management and Print Manager starts with letter P
[06:18] <[Relic]> in that bottom scroll box
[06:18] <dorothy> Yes, there itself
[06:19] <[Relic]> should be right above print manager
[06:19] <dorothy> Only two things starting with letter P
[06:19] <sintre> mine is right above print manager and right below notification helper
[06:20] <dorothy> Yeah, missing here
[06:20] <dorothy> Something really got messed up
[06:20] <sintre> ok dorthory something went wrong somewhere
[06:20] <sintre> really need to back up and thnk about fresh install
[06:21] <sintre> the time we've been troubleshooting this you could of done a fresh install already
[06:21] <[Relic]> libkf5networkmanagerqt6 installed?
[06:21] <sintre> love to help but were going in circles
[06:23] <dorothy> [Relic]: already installed but it;s asking to install resolvconf
[06:23] <dorothy> I remember comming across resolvconf before [Relic]
[06:24] <[Relic]> I am hardwired here so no idea  :)
[06:25] <dorothy> Thanks for your time and help sintre and [Relic]
[06:25] <sintre> np , wish i could of been more use
[06:25] <sintre> but honestly just for peace of mind i'd reinstall at this point
[06:26] <sintre> if it were me facing this problem
[06:26] <sintre> to each there own though
[06:27] <sintre> happy new year btw dorothy and [Relic] :)
[06:56] <Noor_egy> hello i did made mistake i did sudo chmod 777 -R / which gived write permission to alot of my system files
[06:57] <Noor_egy> now when i try to build some application it gives some errors when i asked they told me that its because the user dont have execution permission even when i used sudo
[12:38] <BluesKaj> Happy New Year everyone
[16:24] <hay207> Hi, i get alsa errors when trying to run a steam game, Here 's console output:
[16:25] <hay207> http://pastebin.com/pa8vLUe8
[19:32] <Vincent45> Happy new years!
[21:49] <user|86137> hello.
[21:49] <stav> Hi ! Anyone there?
[21:49] <nuxmuncher> Hlloooo?
[21:49] <user|86137> Yes, hello.
[21:49] <Nytram> I am, but I'm probably not going to be of much help. ;)
[21:50] <user|86137> Is there someone who would able to help<
[21:50] <Nytram> You need to ask the question first.
[21:50] <user|86137> With Kubuntu 16.04 LTS
[21:50] <user|86137> boots only to tty
[21:51] <user|86137> not loading the KDE plasma gui
[21:51] <nuxmuncher> getting an error message with ubuntu lo memory in root filesystem... happens after running bleachbit... can someone here assist?
[21:52] <nuxmuncher> specifically: "the-volume-filesystem-root-has-only-0-bytes-disk-space-remaining"
[21:53] <Nytram> user|86137 probably a gfx driver issue.
[21:55] <user|86137> no, it worked fine
[21:55] <Nytram> I have stopped using bleachbit for that exact same reason.
[21:55] <user|86137> i upgraded to plasma 5.8 via ppa backports
[21:56] <Nytram> There are certain items you can "turn off" to work around the issue but it isn't a fix.
[21:56] <user|86137> did not work well, so i downgraded
[21:56] <nuxmuncher> so I lets ubuntu run 'free like willy' ?
[21:56] <user|86137> and it does not work since
[21:56] <nuxmuncher> no maintenance whatsoever
[21:56] <nuxmuncher> ?
[21:56] <nuxmuncher> apt-get clean is enough from time to time?
[21:58] <user|86137> what does apt/get clean do
[21:58] <Nytram> I always use the propriatary nvidia drivers so I'm not sure how well plasma works with the free driver
[21:58] <nuxmuncher> ... just switched my production box from winbloze to ubuntu (finally) so I'm unfamilar with many 'workings'.. trying to avoid any curveballs in this respect
[21:58] <IrcsomeBot2> Maksim Muruev was added by: Maksim Muruev
[21:58] <nuxmuncher> can anyone recommend 'best practice' for same?
[21:59] <IrcsomeBot2> <Maksim Muruev> Hello, I've got
[21:59] <IrcsomeBot2> <Maksim Muruev> problem with sound system
[22:00] <IrcsomeBot2> <Maksim Muruev> Basically I have multimedia monitor with HDMI and internal sound card, also BT headphones. And I want flexible and easy way switch between those devices.
[22:01] <Nytram> When I feel I need to run Bleachbit I let it run overnight and simply kill the process in the morning. I always stalls with one minute remaining.
[22:02] <IrcsomeBot2> <Maksim Muruev> For now I have my monitor and internal sound card as ONE device?!  Why? In ubuntu HDMI shows as separated. Also sound volume control stop work for 'master'' when I do switch.
[22:03] <nuxmuncher> ...so bleachbit perpetually broken?
[22:03] <Nytram> Last I looked it was.
[22:03] <nuxmuncher> is there any other way to gage overall box health?
[22:03] <nuxmuncher> *automatic* way
[22:04] <Nytram> I wouldn't want to automatically run something like bleachbit.
[22:04] <nuxmuncher> ... so just 'shotgun maintenance'  is what you recommend?
[22:05] <Nytram> Safest way I work is to use one drive or partition to do your work in and purge it periodically.
[22:06] <nuxmuncher> fair play... what's best practice for periodic  backup?
[22:06] <nuxmuncher> ? please splain "purge it"
[22:07] <Nytram> I run a chron script using rsync
[22:08] <nuxmuncher> gots 1x ssd drive,  2x hd drive and one external hd drive (archive & backup)
[22:08] <nuxmuncher> gots virtualbox running a win10 instance on ssd drive (i like it snappy) with loads of ram..
[22:09] <nuxmuncher> and I have servers runing on one of the hd drives... so I 'work' on two drives
[22:09] <Nytram> Don't confuse the linux purge command with what I said. What I meant was to back up important stuff and simply format the partition and start again. If you need deeper deletion I can't help you. ;0
[22:13] <nuxmuncher> ... so chron scripts with rsync for work drives... and deal with any other issues "as they break"... is this normally how ubuntu linux users run?
[22:13] <nuxmuncher> nothing more proactive?
[22:14] <nuxmuncher> ...preventative?
[22:18] <Nytram> Don't judge ubuntu users here and now by the answers you get here and now. I for one am rather drunk, but feeling in a helpful mood. There are many answers to your question, but I for one am not able to help. I trust myself to know when a backup needs to happen and I trust myself not to do anything that requires data to be purged. Sorry.
[22:23] <nuxmuncher> sorry.. i didn't mean to imply any judgement whatsoever
[22:24] <nuxmuncher> sincere apologies if that's what it seemed like
[22:25] <nuxmuncher> just trying to determine 'best practice' for maintentance and backup
[22:34] <nuxmuncher> sincerely sorry if I caused anyone to feel judged or offended
[22:38] <nuxmuncher> I guess I'll search elsewhere
[22:38] <nuxmuncher> thanks anyway
[22:49] <omarramo> hey guys
[22:49] <omarramo> is there a way to disable mouse accel via ui? it only goes down to 0.1 x on my system
[22:52] <Nytram> Can't you click in the box and manually enter a number? (Sorry, I'm on Mint atm)
[22:53] <omarramo> yup but you cant press accept
[22:53] <Nytram> Oh! Let me look
[22:53] <omarramo> really weird, why would they not let you disable mouse accel
[22:55] <Nytram> Nope.. seems to be a KDE thing. 0.1 is the minimum
[23:00] <omarramo> Nytram: seems like the best you can get via ui is setting the threshhold to 0 which would still be polynomial acceleration
[23:03] <Nytram> Not that I'd ever need to go there, but yeah, seems you're right.


[00:17] <freakyy> darkxst: well im not good in java yet and i dont know ... i might read my java book again ... i hope i will be able to code something then
[00:17] <freakyy> but javafx i dont know ... its complicated without a good book
[00:20] <darkxst> best way to learn is read code!
[09:14] <freakyy> darkxst: ok thank you
[09:15] <darkxst> freakyy, if you want bugs to work on, just let me know ;)
[09:16] <darkxst> though I do think as a starter, find something that annoys you and fix it, its a better approach
[09:18] <darkxst> bug 1516876
[09:30] <freakyy> darkxst: yea but i only know java and i dont have any java programs running - only minecraft
[09:33] <freakyy> well ok i know a bit C and C++
[09:33] <freakyy> i had it 2 years at school
[09:34] <freakyy> but i dont think it's enough ... i also only have a few books about c++ but none about C
[09:35] <darkxst> freakyy,
[09:35] <darkxst> C is beutidul
[09:36] <darkxst> .C ia beautiful, even
[09:37] <freakyy> yes but c++ is more modern ... and somehow ive read so much about object oriented programming in java, that i wanna stick to it - python, java, c++
[09:38] <freakyy> i will learn some python i think
[09:41] <freakyy> one thing ive coded in java
[09:41] <freakyy> is my coffee machine
[09:42] <freakyy> http://freakyonline.de/2014/02/01/mycoffee-for-helzi/
[09:42] <freakyy> :)
[09:43] <freakyy> nothing special
[09:43] <freakyy> so u c im a total beginner
[09:44] <darkxst> freakyy, forget java its horrid
[09:45] <freakyy> why? its said to be a good programming langauge for coding desktop apps and also server apps
[09:46] <freakyy> ive bought 5 books about it
[09:47] <freakyy> spending around 200 euros all together
[09:47] <freakyy> ill learn python now though
[09:51] <darkxst> books wont make you a coder ;)
[09:51]  * darkxst sleeps
[09:51] <darkxst> \
[10:08] <freakyy> darkxst: yea ... but they can help u with things
[10:08] <freakyy> btw, whats the best gnome python ide?
[10:26] <freakyy> ok im using pycharm now
[12:16] <LinDol> hi all :)
[15:53] <Dorfen`> Hello guys! Is there any way to get the default gnome terminal app to show the host i am ssh'ed into in the title bar? I've tried messing with {TITLEBAR} in .bashrc's PS1 var with no luck. Is it even possible, or do i need to get another terminal app?
[16:08] <bhundven> (16.04) I have a set of user-mode systemd units in ~/.local/share/systemd/user for offlineimap, and have ran 'systemctl --user enable offlineimap.timer', but I don't ever see it being ran in journalctl. I can manually start the one-shot offlineimap.service to sync my mail, but that is what offlineimap.timer is for. I'm not sure why it isn't running. Any tips for why this wouldn't be working? This wo
[16:08] <bhundven> rked fine on debian sid (two days ago). unit files: https://github.com/OfflineIMAP/offlineimap/tree/master/contrib/systemd (slightly modified, since '-u syslog' isn't in current offlineimap)
[16:36] <bhundven> and then it starts working. idk, wtf.
[17:42] <freakyy> hi all. is there a suggested program for doing live twitch streams with ubuntu?
[18:01] <freakyy> i found something
[18:01] <freakyy> open broadcaster software
[23:32] <freakyy> hey is there any good sound scheme for ubuntu somewhere?


[08:59] <Cutey> Hey anyone alive? <3
[09:20] <Cutey> Has anyone heard of a famous story called The Boy / Le Garcon & The Kid? There were famous country-wide news stories in Canada, in ~2000s. Like in Toronto Star
[09:22] <Cutey> This is The Boy / Le Garcon & The Kid --> http://linkedin.com/in/russelliu | Altho the full story is 100x more incredible & legendary than the 1% of the story, that most ppl know. Because Russell Iu Pui Fung, isn't just The Boy & The Kid, he's JESUS CHRIST & YOUNG GOD


[15:00] <mhall119> bobweaver: tgm4883`: might be of interest to you guys: http://taschenorakel.de/mathias/2012/12/20/media-discovery-qtgstreamer/


[01:00] <bluesabre> flocculant, ochosi, this seems like an improvement https://i.imgur.com/cXWUI52.png
[01:02] <bluesabre> options moved below, only shown if more than 1 device found, no longer bold, no longer including device type
[01:09] <bluesabre> Unit193: thoughts?
[01:10] <Unit193> Hi.
[01:10] <bluesabre> Howdy.
[01:11] <Unit193> I'm fairly sure I'm not the best to ask.
[01:11] <bluesabre> :D
[01:11] <Unit193> Perhaps it's good?
[01:13] <Unit193> (I plan on upgrading to ayatana-indicator-sound.)
[01:13] <bluesabre> Alrighty
[01:14] <Unit193> No offence meant. :3
[01:15] <bluesabre> None taken. Just more work to do to convert you ;)
[01:16] <Unit193> Based on the planned UI, I'm not too keen.  The function of the play/pause/etc is a bit finicky still, ayatana looks a bit better, and I can't stand switches (which I gather others like, soo..)
[01:16] <Unit193> I'm willing to test of course, mind.
[01:36] <subh> ochosi: Hi, thanks for replying. Sorry I fell asleep. I know a bit python, not so good with c++. But I am good at learning new stuffs. So can you tell me if I can work on anything with my current skillset or do I need to acquire anything new to be able to contribute to anything to start with?
[01:36] <Unit193> bluesabre's applications tend to be python, Xfce is in C.
[01:36] <Unit193> (ochosi is the artwork guy, bluesabre is head of dev, I'm all around noise maker.)
[01:37] <bluesabre> gtk-theme-config is in vala
[01:37] <bluesabre> We have a few different options available :)
[01:42] <bluesabre> subh: We usually recommend just starting by looking around at bug reports or digging into things that are broken and annoy you
[01:42] <bluesabre> The best way to get started is to be selfish :)
[01:43] <Unit193> We should create a list of low hanging fruit.
[01:44] <subh> bluesabre: I understand. But it can still be a lot for somebody who's just starting.
[01:44] <subh> Had I asked you to give me something to start with, would you have anything in mind?
[01:45] <bluesabre> subh: maybe take a look at https://launchpad.net/sgt-launcher, it has a pretty simple code base and shows off some standard GTK+ python conventions
[01:47] <bluesabre> subh: otherwise, things that probably have some bugs in order of complexity ascending: lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings (https://launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings), mugshot (https://launchpad.net/mugshot), catfish (https://launchpad.net/catfish-search), and menulibre (https://launchpad.net/menulibre)
[01:48] <bluesabre> I wish I'd already identified some easy to tackle bugs, but if I did, they'd be tackled :)
[01:51] <subh> bluesabre: I understand your point :) I will go through those projects and try to pick up unresolved bugs. And I might ask you if I need any help. Thanks again.
[01:52] <bluesabre> Sure thing, thanks subh!
[06:03] <flocculant> bluesabre: mmm - my 'issue' though is that it just looks like it's hanging there without the icon
[06:15] <krytarik> With regards to the Custom Actions discussion earlier tonight, I should probably mention that we indeed have imagemagick on the images currently anyway, pulled in as a recommend of cups-filters.
[07:24] <ochosi> bluesabre: indeed, that feels better!
[11:04] <bluesabre> flocculant: it looks a bit better with greybird where the separator line is visible, https://i.imgur.com/ywkoKcx.png
[11:14] <bluesabre> (looks like ochosi still needs to make the 100% tick visible in greybird)
[15:55] <knome> that subh* guy needs to be around more ;)
[15:55] <knome> slickymaster, around?
[15:55] <knome> apparently not
[15:59] <knome> what is atril's menu item name?
[15:59] <knome> is it "Document Viewer" or not?
[15:59] <knome> flexiondotorg, ^
[16:00] <knome> i guess i could also look it up but feeling lazy
[16:01] <bluesabre> knome: "Atril Document Viewer" it seems
[16:01] <knome> right
[16:01] <knome> cheerio
[16:02] <bluesabre> :)
[16:03] <bluesabre> flocculant: I added multimedia key support to pa-plug... currently in git
[16:11] <knome> https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/xubuntu-docs/bionic-mate-apps-migration
[16:12] <knome> a docs branch ready to be merged if/once we decide to do the migration for good
[16:19] <knome> pleia2, flyer is updated with the new logo... though the content is still the same :)
[16:19] <knome> we need to update at least the screenshot
[16:20] <knome> ochosi, what do you think if we actually moved onto one single plymouth background from 18.04?
[16:20] <knome> ochosi, eg. not a blurred version of the wallpaper, but something that was specifically "designed" for this?
[16:21] <knome> i guess everybody else as well ^
[16:24] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-docs:: [bionic-mate-apps-migration] r641 Prepare the change to MATE apps.... (by Pasi Lallinaho)
[16:24] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-docs:: [bionic-mate-apps-migration] r642 Update changelog... (by Pasi Lallinaho)
[16:28] <knome> pleia2, i made some notes about updating the flyer here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-b-marketing
[16:29] <knome> slickymaster, ^
[16:48] <knome> bbl
[16:48] <knome> subh, hello, and welcome ;)
[16:49] <knome> subh, i've read you want to get involved with xubuntu before and just wanted to say hello before i leave... and say that feel free to ask any questions about anything related to xubuntu in this channel, regardless if people (you know) are around or not - we will eventually reply
[16:49] <knome> but now, off to do sth completely different
[16:49] <knome> o/
[16:59] <pleia2> knome: ok thanks, I'll have a look :)
[17:03] <subh> knome: Thanks! Will do. :)
[17:50] <flocculant> bluesabre: if I had multimedia keys on the kbd I would test it ... sorry this time ;)
[17:52] <flocculant> bluesabre: re plugin - I'm not seeing anything in that imgur screeny that stops it - in fact the same thing can be seen at the bottom where Audio mixer ... random white space at the left
[17:54] <pleia2> knome: made some edits to the description to add some of my flyer ideas, it's time to add social media links! ;)
[18:59] <knome> pleia2, yeah... and do we really want to keep with the 3-fold? :)
[18:59] <pleia2> yeah, it's a thing
[18:59] <knome> haha
[18:59] <knome> ok
[18:59] <knome> i suggest 6-fold then
[19:00] <knome> because it's obviously two times better!
[19:00] <pleia2> trollol
[19:00] <knome> and it can fit the amount of content we can realistically maintain (:
[19:00] <pleia2> what would you suggest instead?
[19:00] <knome> (that was as much pointed to myself than anybody else)
[19:00] <knome> well, maybe 2-fold
[19:00] <knome> it's also easier to do for most people
[19:00] <pleia2> like a card?
[19:01] <knome> yeah, it could be like a card
[19:01] <knome> and with that thought, i think it could be smaller too
[19:01] <pleia2> yeah
[19:01] <pleia2> the current one has too many words
[19:01] <knome> like half of the current total paper space
[19:01]  * pleia2 nods
[19:02] <knome> so A6 for the page size, meaning an A5 folded once
[19:02] <knome> eg. two flyers per paper
[19:02] <knome> we'll of course always have the "old" layout too, so we can still peruse that in case we have a special event or sth coming up
[19:03] <knome> there's quite a lot in the current flyer we can drop without too much pain
[19:03] <pleia2> I'll have to look into what makes sense for professional printing
[19:03] <knome> like the "asides", the debian, xfce stuff
[19:03] <pleia2> currently a 3-panel one is a thing places do, not sure about 1 per letter page
[19:03] <pleia2> s/1/2
[19:03] <knome> usually it's the standard sizes, so A5 is just as good as A4 for example
[19:04] <knome> right, professional printing meaning small print shops that print the stuff for you "live"
[19:04] <knome> yeah, but even if they only did one sheet, it's relatively easy to cut it into half
[19:04] <knome> so even if they don't offer that...
[19:04] <knome> i mean ultimately we could even look into a yet smaller one
[19:04] <pleia2> yeah, but with vistaprint they even folded the 3 panel ones for me, that was spiffy :)
[19:05] <knome> yeah
[19:05] <knome> like a postcard-card
[19:05] <pleia2> I think a post card size we're getting into different terratory, not much of a flyer anymore
[19:05] <knome> that's something completely different from a flyer, but it can serve the same purpose in a better way
[19:05] <knome> sure, but then again we can point people to our website more
[19:05] <knome> which is easier to maintain
[19:06] <knome> and then the printed stuff doesn't get outdated so fast
[19:06] <knome> but yes, i realize these are two different things
[19:06] <knome> which one would you rather pick up from a convention/event?
[19:06] <knome> a 3-fold US letter sized thing or a postcard?
[19:07] <pleia2> idk :)
[19:07] <flexiondotorg> knome: Saw the earlier ping about Atril naming.
[19:07] <knome> the postcard could even be designed as a postcard... like the address field etc. ready
[19:07] <pleia2> that would be cute
[19:07] <knome> flexiondotorg, we figured it out, it's "Atril Document Viewer", right?
[19:07] <knome> yep
[19:07] <flexiondotorg> There is a simple way for me to address this for Xubuntu.
[19:07] <knome> flexiondotorg, the question was simply for our documentation purposes
[19:07] <flexiondotorg> If you want to drop the Atril prefix.
[19:07] <knome> nah, it's fine :)
[19:07] <flexiondotorg> OK
[19:08] <knome> pleia2, so then a nice image on the "front" and some preprinted text on the back of the card
[19:08] <knome> plus probably some space for a customized message (or even autograph :P)
[19:08] <knome> and then the usual postcard stuff
[19:09] <knome> i can draft this relatively quickly if we want to investigate it
[19:10] <knome> "The only ISO 216 size in the post card range is A6."
[19:10] <knome> which is not a problem, but actually a good thing, because one size only, right? :P
[19:10] <pleia2> maybe something to explore separate from the flyer :)
[19:10] <knome> sure
[19:10] <knome> i would still propose to migrate away from the 3-fold
[19:10] <pleia2> yeah it should be fine, probably want postcards printed on cardstock so printing at home is less likely
[19:10] <knome> but if you want to keep that... i'll live with it
[19:11] <knome> yep
[19:12] <knome> hmm, well, it seems vistaprint for example doesn't want A6, but tbh, it's easy enough to do one design and then just cut the borders from the smaller one
[19:12] <pleia2> yeah
[19:13] <knome> or even do two very similar designs
[19:13] <pleia2> so the only reason I'd stick with the 3-panel is because we've already figured out sizing and stuff, we can just put in more pictures if we want it to be less tl;dr
[19:13] <knome> lol
[19:13] <knome> wfm
[19:13] <knome> and yes, we probably want to do that
[19:13] <knome> want a pad in which to figure out the text?
[19:14] <pleia2> sure
[19:14] <knome> will put the text in here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-1804-flyer
[19:19] <knome> i just started editing there, removing text i want to delete (eg. not striking through)
[19:20] <pleia2> ok
[19:21] <knome> because blah
[19:21] <pleia2> I need to get ready for family things momentarily
[19:21] <knome> sure, np
[19:21] <knome> hf :)
[19:21] <pleia2> thanks :)
[19:34] <subh> \quit
[19:36] <knome> i'm starting to think about the scribus alternative again...
[20:16] <ochosi> knome: re: plymouth yeah sounds sensible
[20:16] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, i still need to make that tick visible...
[20:19] <ochosi> woohoo, managed to create a LO pull request \o/ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/45175/
[20:39] <ochosi> bluesabre: ok, the marks below the scale in pulseaudio plugin are now visible with Greybird