[00:28] <jcastro> hey pleia2
[00:28] <jcastro> (please)
[00:29] <pleia2> hey jcastro
[00:29] <jcastro> (see how I did playa please?)
[00:30] <jcastro> anyway, you posted a cat on G+, want to talk about cats?
[00:30] <pleia2> heh
[00:30] <pleia2> cats++
[00:30] <pleia2> anything but ocelots
[00:30] <jcastro> heh
[00:31] <jcastro> (hey amber, post that pic of pete with your new kitty)
[00:31] <pleia2> new kitty!
[00:31] <jcastro> hey so, we had to give our cat away since we moved
[00:31]  * pleia2 nods
[00:31] <jcastro> and jill doesn't want a new cat
[00:31] <jcastro> she could only love him or some made up stuff
[00:31] <pleia2> aww
[00:31] <jcastro> but I am home alone all day and I miss having a hunter on the premises.
[00:32] <pleia2> yeah, they are good company for work from homers
[00:33] <pleia2> my egyptian mau loves heat (maine coons are lovey, giant, snugglecats, but a bit fluffy for florida)
[00:34] <jcastro> looks awesome
[00:34] <jcastro> that mau
[00:35] <pleia2> or I can put a webcam up in my condo so you can enjoy my cats (but mostly they sleep, not hunt, not even pretend to hunt)
[00:35] <jcastro> right
[00:35] <pleia2> "hi, are you done with work? my food bowl has food in it but it's not fresh enough"
[00:35] <jcastro> but that's a ploy
[00:35] <jcastro> they can hunt
[00:35] <jcastro> they're just waiting for you to put your guard down
[00:36] <pleia2> I don't know, my siamese makes some kind of chirping noise when she hunts bugs
[00:36] <pleia2> what kind of predator has a hunting *noise*?
[00:36] <jcastro> anyway jill is coming to UDS for the end
[00:36] <jcastro> I kind of need you to like, be all about cats
[00:36] <pleia2> lol
[00:36] <jcastro> but not like, too strong, because she will know
[00:36] <pleia2> ok :)
[00:38] <greg-g> hilarious
[00:38] <jcastro> so we need a balance between
[00:38] <jcastro> "oh she understands, she has cats" vs. "omg I just met a crazy cat lady"
[00:38] <jcastro> because we adopted from a crazy cat lady
[00:39] <jcastro> who had drawn on eyebrows
[00:39] <pleia2> haha, nice
[00:39] <jcastro> she was basically a walking stereotype
[00:39] <jcastro> but I don't dig this "I will only ever love one cat" business
[00:39] <jcastro> I mean, really ...
[00:39] <Pendulum> jcastro: would you like my help as well? I have lots of kitten pictures that I can show off at UDS
[00:39] <jcastro> ah yes
[00:40] <jcastro> attack her from double fronts, awesome idea
[00:40] <Pendulum> (and this is the kitten I have now, 18 months after my "one cat" died)
[00:40] <jcastro> ok so this time around, I think I want older kitten
[00:41] <Pendulum> so I can totally pull the "I wasn't sure I'd ever want a cat again after my first cat died" thing
[00:41] <Pendulum> older kittens or adopting adult cats is good :)
[00:41] <jcastro> enough to imprint totally love, but not too young where he takes like, all day to take care of
[00:41] <pleia2> and destroys everything
[00:41] <Pendulum> including you
[00:42] <Pendulum> (love Scotia, but I do have puncture marks)
[00:42] <pleia2> yeah, there is sometimes blood with kittens :)
[00:42] <jcastro> one day he knocked over a pop on 2 of my laptops
[00:42] <jcastro> he cost me like 2 grand
[00:42] <jcastro> I wanted to kill him
[00:42] <pleia2> ouch
[00:43] <pleia2> fortunately my cats mostly went after paper products (toilet paper, paper towels, tissues)
[00:43] <pleia2> confetti!
[00:43] <jcastro> hair ties
[00:43] <pleia2> rubber bands
[00:43] <jcastro> when we moved I loaded the couch onto a truck
[00:43] <pleia2> ok, I need to pack up for the Ubuntu Hour downstairs, then our release dinner :d
[00:43] <pleia2> and we got our CDs today \o/
[00:43] <jcastro> there were, I am not lying, 32 of Jill's hair ties in a pile behind the couch
[00:43] <pleia2> haha
[00:44] <jcastro> ok so before you go
[00:44] <greg-g> pleia2: see you soon!
[00:44] <jcastro> we will "accidentally" talk about cats
[00:44] <jcastro> but to too much
[00:44] <jcastro> when my wife is around
[00:44] <pleia2> greg-g: yay! see you soon :)
[00:44] <jcastro> greg-g: ! what's up
[00:45] <greg-g> jcastro: yo yo man. just getting ready to go hang with pleia2, because, you know, I picked the cool state to move to
[00:45] <jcastro> wait, IRL?
[00:46] <greg-g> yep
[00:46] <jcastro> I'll be there in 3 weeks (CA)
[00:46] <jcastro> we should link up
[00:46] <jcastro> you all by the valley?
[00:46] <greg-g> I live in the city, work in MV
[00:47] <bkerensa> Oh jeez :( Boinc is dead in 11.10
[00:47] <bkerensa> well in amd64 version atleast
 including you  <----  yes, please WARN ME if the kitten im about to pick up has been neutered/spayed in the last 24 hours! *looks at scars*
 one day he knocked over a pop on 2 of my laptops <--- you say pop!
[02:47] <akgraner> jono it's nice to know members of the NC LoCo team listen to your Q&A sessions :-) had people ping me to tell me to go watch it...
[02:50] <akgraner> jcastro, you mean this one?  http://people.ubuntu.com/~akgraner/PeteandKitten.jpg
[03:48] <mhall119> Michael Hall
[03:48] <mhall119> ENC 1102
[03:48] <mhall119> October 19, 2011
[03:48] <mhall119> blah
[03:49]  * mhall119 sometimes forgets that middle-click in irssi window means "paste" not "open link in new tab"
[04:46] <nigelb> jcastro: did you notice that uds website looks bad now?
[04:52] <bkerensa> lol
[04:52] <bkerensa> Anyone else running 64bit 11.10 and wanna help me test a app that seems to be bugging?
[05:31] <greg-g> jcastro: mind renewing my membership in bugcontrol?
[05:38] <bkerensa> greg-g: ;) Wanna checkout my bug
[05:38] <bkerensa> :D
[05:42] <greg-g> bkerensa: send me a link and I'll take a look
[05:43] <bkerensa> greg-g: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/boinc/+bug/878571
[05:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 878571 in boinc "boinc-client bad signature for URL" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[05:43] <bkerensa> ;)
[05:43]  * bkerensa hopes it gets fixed soon so I can get back to work with boinc
[05:43] <bkerensa> :D
[05:43] <akgraner> jcastro - I went ahead and wrote yesterdays summary of open week and cross posted to the fridge since I'll be afk for most of the morning
[05:45] <akgraner> I also added you as helper to today's sessions (just in case)...I think that's almost everything I can think of I needed to take care for later this morning
[05:49] <jussi> akgraner: you are a superstar.
[05:50] <akgraner> jussi, nah - just can't sleep - so might as well be productive :-) no sense wasting time - though I did play a game or two on g+ and did module 3 of learning python the hard way :-)
[05:50] <greg-g> bkerensa: you might need to report this bug against the upstream project: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/BoincIntro
[05:50] <bkerensa> jussi: akgraner is the best
[05:50] <jussi> akgraner: doesnt change the fact
[05:50] <greg-g> but, for now, I should sleep
[05:51] <jussi> goodnight greg-g
[05:51] <akgraner> Thanks y'all /me is blushing
[05:51] <greg-g> g'night jussi :)
[05:51] <akgraner> greg-g, nite
[05:51] <bkerensa> greg-g: gnight and I will report upstream
[06:33] <nigelb> AlanBell: around?
[06:35] <AlanBell> yes
[06:35] <nigelb> AlanBell: hey, do you remember what you did to get around to wget not working on wiki.ubuntu.com?
[06:35] <nigelb> I can't seem to be able to download mbox files either
[06:36] <AlanBell> spoofed user agent
[06:36] <nigelb> I tried --user-agent='Mozilla...' didn't work.
[06:38] <nigelb> http://dpaste.com/637739/
[06:46] <dpm> nigelb, that might help, it's a quick script I wrote a while ago to fetch translated pages from the wiki: https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/+junk/get-wiki-translations
[06:47] <dpm> I used curl rather than wget
[06:49] <nigelb> dpm: aha, thanks!
[06:50] <AlanBell> there is an overall rate limit too which you might hit
[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
[06:52] <bkerensa> Well Good Night Everyone (or Morning)!
[06:56] <dpm> morning dholbach
[06:57] <dholbach> hola dpm
[06:57] <czajkowski> aloha all
[07:02] <dpm> hey czajkowski
[07:02] <dpm> morning Gwaihir!
[07:02] <dpm> and morning to AlanBell, nigelb and bkerensa too! :-)
[07:03] <nigelb> Morning dpm :)
[07:09] <dholbach> hey Gwaihir
[07:09] <Gwaihir> morning dpm!
[07:09] <Gwaihir> hey dholbach!
[07:14] <dpm> happy belated birthday Gwaihir! :)
[07:14] <Gwaihir> thank you dpm :)
[07:40]  * dholbach walks over to the office - brb
[08:19] <dholbach> dpm, yo!
[08:20] <dpm> dholbach, hey!
[08:58] <huats> morning!
[08:58] <huats> hello dpm and dholbach
[08:59] <dholbach> salut huats
[09:02] <dpm> morning  huats
[09:08] <popey> http://popey.com/blog/2011/10/20/happy-hour-comes-to-farnborough/
[09:08] <popey> \o/

[10:28] <dpm> dholbach_, what's the best way to keep a package that is not in the archive (e.g. in a PPA) under revision control?
[10:29] <dholbach> dpm, which package is it?
[10:30] <dholbach> what do you have already? is its source in revision control? tarball releases? already in LP?
[10:30] <dholbach> daily builds for example are just great
[10:32] <dpm> dholbach, I'm testing a package to create a localized ISO with the tools pitti created this cycle. The tools work with a 'defaults' package as a basis to create the iso, and that's the package I've just created. I don't have it under revision control, but I'll upload it to a PPA in a minute. I'll experiment with it and make changes, so I was wondering how I can best keep it under revision control.
[10:33] <dholbach> dpm, where is the source for the package, like the upstream source?
[10:33] <dpm> dholbach, right now locally (I've just created it), but let me upload it to a junk branch...
[10:34]  * dholbach nods
[10:34] <dholbach> if you maintain it, you could just put all the bits and pieces (code and packaging) into a branch
[10:36] <dpm> dholbach, https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/+junk/ubuntu-defaults-ca
[10:36] <dpm> (branch hasn't been scanned in LP yet...)
[10:38] <dholbach> yeah, put it all into an "official branch" and use https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/Recipes
[10:40] <dholbach> dpm, oh, and if you seem to have no local diff right now, please run "debclean; bzr commit -m 'removed automatically generated files'" :-)
[10:43] <dpm> thanks dholbach!
[10:43]  * popey hugs dholbach
[10:43] <dholbach> de nada
[10:43]  * dholbach hugs popey back :)
[10:52] <akgraner> Good morning :-)
[10:57] <Pendulum> morning akgraner
[11:00] <akgraner> hey Pendulum!
[11:03] <jussi> new phone new phone new phone....
[11:03]  * jussi does the new phone dance
[11:03] <akgraner> well - what kind?
[11:04] <jussi> akgraner: http://is.gd/5yF7p5
[11:05] <akgraner> cool-e-o!
[11:06] <jussi> yeah, its really nice
[11:06] <akgraner> I want a new phone - I think I suffer from gadget envy :-)
[11:06] <akgraner> but I can't justify why I need a new one...(yet)
[11:06] <jussi> not quite as fast as I would have liked - no dual core, and I would like a bigger screen, but otherwise everything is there
[11:09] <akgraner> cool :-)
[11:11] <jussi> akgraner: and the keyboard is just beautiful
[11:12] <akgraner> so it looks!  Pete and Becca have the G2's and they love having the option of the keyboard- easier to send longer emails from you phone with...
[11:12] <akgraner> s/you/your
[11:13]  * akgraner wishes she had gone that route - as there are times when it would come in handy
[11:13] <jussi> akgraner: you know for next time :D
[11:14] <akgraner> jussi yep
[11:16] <dpm> dholbach, I read the recipes guide, and uploaded the package to my PPA. I'm getting a "Source/binary (i.e. mixed) uploads are not allowed." error from LP. What's a mixed upload? Is this something I need to fix with my package, or something I should ask the #launchpad guys about? I don't want to steal too much of your time for this, though, so unless it's something obvious, I can leave it for some other time
[11:17] <dholbach> dpm, in your branch run: bzr bd -- -S -sa
[11:17] <dholbach> then: cd ..; dput <ppa-info> <packagesomethingbla>_source.changes
[11:18] <dholbach> oh no
[11:18] <dholbach> hang on
[11:18] <dholbach> if you set up a recipe for the branch, you don't need to dput anything
[11:18] <dpm> dholbach, I haven't set up the recipe yet
[11:19] <dholbach> ah ok
[11:19] <dpm> I'm just experimenting with it for now
[11:19] <dpm> thanks!
[11:19] <dholbach> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-packaging-guide-team/+recipe/ubuntu-packaging-guide-daily
[11:20] <dholbach> something like this should be good enough already:
[11:20] <dholbach> # bzr-builder format 0.3 deb-version {debupstream}-0~{revno}
[11:20] <dholbach> lp:ubuntu-packaging-guide
[12:44] <dpm> hey dholbach, the guys from the web team have asked me if I could help them with this bug related to the CoC - do you happen to know which one of the 3 versions is the correct one? -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+bug/868009
[12:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 868009 in ubuntu-website-content "Different versions of the Code of Conduct" [Undecided,New]
[12:44] <dpm> ah, we've got ubot!
[12:45] <dpm> I'm guessing the ubuntu.com version should simply be updated to v1.1 (i.e. the one in LP)
[12:48] <jussi> dpm: Im pretty sure you are correct there.
[12:50] <dpm> thanks jussi :) If anyone from the CC could give me an additional confirmation, that'd also be great. In any case, bbl, going for lunch now
[12:56] <dholbach> dpm, yes, the one in LP should be it
[13:00] <jcastro> hey james_w
[13:01] <jcastro> something about stephen doel's summit credentials
[13:03] <james_w> jcastro, hey
[13:03] <james_w> I think I fixed that for him
[13:03] <jcastro> k
[13:04] <james_w> you have to login on the front page before hitting the admin site
[13:21] <dholbach> jcastro, dpm: does that mean that we won't have the team meeting later on?
[13:21] <jcastro> not sure
[13:22] <dholbach> ok
[13:43] <dpm> dholbach, which team meeting?
[13:44] <dholbach> dpm, team hangout?
[13:44] <dpm> dholbach, that's wednesdays, isn't it? I don't have any in my calendar
[13:45] <dholbach> haha, yes, you're right
[13:47] <dpm> dholbach, but yeah, I told jono it's still be good to have the hangouts. I think IRC is great for getting more transparency and people joining in, but I miss the face time. Maybe we could do a combination of both? Like 30min IRC/30 min G+?
[13:47] <dholbach> I agree
[13:48] <dholbach> not too much about the exact timing, but generally, yes
[13:48] <dholbach> there are loads of new followers on @ubuntudev on twitter - I have no idea what just happened
[13:52] <dpm> oh that will be the tweet I did on "dholbach will buy beers to everyone joining @ubuntudev"
[13:53] <dholbach> haha
[13:53]  * dholbach hugs dpm
[13:54]  * dpm hugs dholbach :)
[14:30] <james_w> http://pastebin.ca/2091934 <- these sessions are currently not being scheduled for UDS
[14:37] <nigelb> james_w: error or purposefully?
[14:37] <james_w> because they don't match any tracks
[14:37] <nigelb> ah. right.
[14:56] <jcastro> hey dpm
[14:56] <jcastro> so for Nokia
[14:57] <jcastro> same as last time? We can probably do QT Roadmap and then a few developer sessions?
[14:57] <dpm> jcastro, sounds good, but can we have a quick hangout about this?
[14:58] <jcastro> sure
[14:58] <jcastro> give me 5 min to make sure this openweek session hands off
[14:58] <dpm> jcastro, sure, no rush. ping me when done
[15:02] <james_w> dpm, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-translations-en-au-1204 isn't getting autoscheduled currently as the name doesn't start with a track name, what track should translations stuff be in?
[15:02] <nigelb> community I guess.
[15:07] <jcastro> dpm: I am ready
[15:08] <dpm> james_w, I didn't know about that one, let me have a catch up with jcastro first and then look at it (it should probably be Community, I guess)
[15:08] <james_w> thanks dpm
[15:09] <dpm> jcastro, hangout sent
[15:12] <dholbach> what a difference having the right bios option checked can make
[15:16] <nigelb> dholbach: what happened? :)
[15:16] <dholbach> I didn't turn on the virt support :)
[15:16] <dholbach> and kvm was slow
[15:16] <dholbach> VERY SLOW
[15:17] <nigelb> ah right!
[15:18] <nigelb> been there, done that :)
[15:18] <jcastro> whoa
[15:18] <jcastro> dude check this out nigel
[15:19] <jcastro> http://corelli.tumbleweed.org.za/ubuntu-qa/specs-by-date/
[15:20] <nigelb> jcastro: I saw that already. tumbleweed already asked me if wwwe could get it into summit
[15:20] <nigelb> I was planning on getting that on to action items :)
[15:20] <jcastro> I didn't realize how handy that would be
[15:21] <nigelb> It is *so* helpful!
[15:22] <popey> dholbach: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/20/shuttleworth_ubuntu_12_04/
[15:22] <popey> you get a mention about sounder being shutdown
[15:22] <popey> I DONT! \o/
[15:23] <dholbach> what?
[15:24] <dholbach> so unity and the demise of sounder are the same?
[15:24] <popey> indeed
[15:25] <popey> they link to a useless 3-post thread
[15:25] <dholbach> maybe I need some crack myself - maybe that'll make me understand :)
[15:25] <popey> heh
[15:26] <dpm> it seems it will be a shorter cycle too, now that it's called 12.01 LTS :)
[15:26] <dholbach> dpm, it'll be ready for my birthday
[15:26] <dholbach> NICE
[15:26] <dpm> awesome
[15:27] <dholbach> Mark already said something about "your birthday present", I had no idea! <3 <3 <3
[15:27] <dpm> how nice of him!
[15:29] <nigelb> hehe
[15:29] <nigelb> dholbach: They did an article on Mozilla and Firefox a few weeks back.
[15:29] <nigelb> The corrections were longer than the article.
[15:31] <dholbach> nice :)
[15:57] <dpm> james_w, I don't think https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-translations-en-au-1204 should be a UDS session, it looks to me as an internal blueprint for the en_AU team. How did it get approved and visible in the scheduler?
[15:58] <james_w> dpm, someone proposed it for uds, and someone (maybe the same person) approved it
[15:58] <james_w> someone from https://launchpad.net/~uds-organizers will definitely have been involved, but it's a large team, so hard to know who to ask
[15:58] <james_w> someone in that team can reject it again
[15:59] <dpm> james_w, let me check with the en_AU guys and then I'll talk to someone in the uds-organizers team if it needs to be rejected
[16:00] <james_w> thanks
[16:41] <dholbach> alright my friends - have a great rest of your day - see you all tomorrow
[16:51] <dpm> have a nice evening dholbach!
[16:52] <dholbach> you too
[20:23] <jono> jcastro, around?
[20:23] <jcastro> jono: yep, que tal?
[20:23] <jono> jcastro, can we have a quick call?
[20:23] <jcastro> yep
[20:23] <jono> will G+ you
[20:24] <jcastro> cooh
[20:25] <jono> jcastro, invite sent
[20:41] <AlanBell> dpm is the localised iso chap right?
[20:43] <jcastro> yeah
[20:43] <jcastro> <--- doing a server upgrade which will mess with my connection, if someone needs me I'll bbl
[20:55] <m4n1sh> jcastro: need some help from you
[20:55] <m4n1sh> if you are free
[21:08] <bkerensa> upstream for boinc is slow at responding to tickets =/
[21:09] <doctormo-web> jono: Can you review my blog post before I add it to the planet? http://doctormo.org/2011/10/20/ubuntus-adoption-curve-past-and-present/
[21:13] <doctormo-web> pleia2: Also you're pretty good at reading out any bias, could you have read?
[21:15] <bkerensa> doctormo-web: Nice post
[21:17] <jono> doctormo-web, reading
[21:17] <jono> so much for my day off
[21:17] <jono> ;-)
[21:17] <jono> I have done nothing but work all day
[21:17] <jono> lol
[21:18] <jono> doctormo-web, interesting post
[21:18] <jono> I am not sure it tells us a huge amount
[21:18] <jono> as wikipedia stats are not really a decent metric
[21:18] <bkerensa> jono: Solution to that is turn off cell phone... Unplug internet and go to the beach or a forest
[21:18] <bkerensa> :)
[21:18] <jono> but other than that, good post, doctormo-web
[21:21] <doctormo-web> jono: OK, I'll put a further note in the warning that it's a limited data set.
[21:21] <jono> doctormo-web, it might be useful to explain what the wikipedia data is
[21:22] <jono> so people know where it offers value and where it doesn't
[21:22] <doctormo-web> bkerensa: May I recommend Vermont for the East Coast and the Red Wood forests for the west coast?
[21:22] <jono> as a good example, I think lots of Ubuntu users will never go to Wikipedia
[21:22] <jono> if the data came from Google, that *would* be interesting :-)
[21:22] <jono> doctormo-web, thanks for offering to read the post
[21:24] <doctormo-web> jono: Let me know when you talk to google about that ;-)
[21:24] <jono> haha
[21:24] <jono> I wish :-)
[21:25] <bkerensa> jono: How does wikimedia even track to the distro level? All the browsers use a generic linux useragent
[21:25] <doctormo-web> bkerensa: nope
[21:26] <doctormo-web> ever since jaunty I think they all have deb patches to show the distro.
[21:27] <bkerensa> doctormo-web: Hmm I thought Firefox was the only browser to ever show a Ubuntu footprint but Mozilla decided against it and removed it
[21:27] <bkerensa> hmm oh
[21:27] <doctormo-web> it's really hard to type with baby on lap ;-)
[21:31] <mhall119> doctormo-web: \o/
[21:31] <mhall119> congrats dude!
[21:31] <doctormo-web> thanks!
[21:36] <mhall119> doctormo-web: you've got a lot of sleepless nights ahead, but it's totally worth it
[21:43] <pleia2> jono: yeah, that was an earthquake :)
[21:43] <jono> pleia2, I have never been in one before
[21:43] <jono> that was weird
[21:43] <pleia2> woohoo, happy earthquake!
[21:43] <jono> hehe
[21:43] <jono> creepy
[21:49] <greg-g> jono: pleia2: us down in Mtn View didn't feel it :(
[21:50] <pleia2> the internet says it was a 4.2 in berkeley, so not surprising
[21:50] <pleia2> the ones in san jose tend to trickle up to us, but east bay down not so much
[21:53] <jono> :-)
[22:24] <akgraner> jcastro - hope all went well today - I  haven't read the logs yet - how'd Rick's session go?
[22:25] <akgraner> ok why is xchat not showing me as being "back" when I clearly marked myself as back - grrrrrr...
[23:22] <bkerensa> akgraner type /back
[23:22] <bkerensa> ;)
[23:22] <akgraner> I did
[23:23] <akgraner> several times :-)
[23:23] <akgraner> I'll need to log out and log back in  - :-/  it happens if I suspend with xchat open
[23:23] <akgraner> but not all the time - I can't figure out how to reliably reproduce the condition everytime yet
[23:25] <bkerensa> akgraner: Odd... on 11.10 my wireless mouse freezes now and then and a number of other bugs :D
[23:27] <akgraner> I haven't had issues with the wireless mouse but I only use it now when I play games :-) For some reason (maybe a natural progression) I find it annoying when my hands have to leave the keyboard...(mhall119 and nigelb - yeah yeah I know don't say anything! :-P)
[23:28] <nigelb> ...*screenshots*
[23:30] <akgraner> nigelb, so I am on lesson 3 for the learning python the hard way :-) and I've started reading emmajane's new book on Drupal :-)  yay!
[23:31] <akgraner> brb restarting xchat...
[23:40] <mhall119> ;)
[23:40] <mhall119> mixing php and python? that's not a good idea