 I left CareerJunction at the end of October last year - don't you remember?
[07:11] <Kilos> yes man, i mean same as what you were doing there?
[07:11] <Kilos> lo bmg505
[07:12] <Kilos> same type of work
[07:12] <superfly> oh, no. different
[07:12] <superfly> I'm working on devices that sell airtime
[07:13] <Kilos> oh same as at checkers etc where they use a pc to get you your airtime?
[07:13] <superfly> no, it's a little box with buttons on it, and it prints out a voucher
[07:14] <Kilos> you just get a printed piece of paper with a long code on it
[07:14] <Kilos> oh one of them
[07:15] <superfly> Maaz: tell kbmonkey Remove the entry in your hosts file.
[07:15] <Maaz> superfly: Sure, I'll tell kbmonkey on freenode
[07:15] <Kilos> maybe thats what checkers and them use too
[07:16] <superfly> Kilos: no, as you said, they use computers
[07:18] <Kilos> lo bakuman
[07:19] <Kilos> môre nuvolari
[07:21] <superfly> morning maiatoday_too
[07:21] <maiatoday_too> hi superfly
[07:21] <maiatoday_too> I posted your ubuntu hour on my blog, on the facebook ubuntu-za wall and on loco.ubuntu.com
[07:21] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[07:21] <superfly> w00t! thanks :-)
[07:21] <maiatoday_too> I'll tweet it today sometime too
[07:22] <superfly> mmm, I should do the same
[07:22] <maiatoday_too> I am busy writing a chapter for my thesis but I will try hard to finish it today and tomorrow so that I can make it on Saturday
[07:22] <Kilos> maiatoday, you must hurry with your studies so you can join us in LPI studies
[07:22] <superfly> maiatoday_too: it would be awesome to see you there :-)
[07:22] <Kilos> lo morgs
[07:23] <maiatoday_too> I only posted on the wall, not sure if I can make an event for you on the facebook ubuntu-za page
[07:23] <morgs> morning
[07:24] <maiatoday_too> according to my wordcount spreadsheet I am at 45.2 :(
[07:24] <maiatoday_too> 45.2%
[07:24] <Tonberry> ouch
[07:24] <maiatoday_too> I left my pc on at work so it won't release my nick
[07:25] <maiatoday_too> so if anyone wants to tweet superfly's ubuntu hour or if someone is an admin on the ubuntu-za facebook page to make an event
[07:25] <superfly> maiatoday_too: I'll look into it
[07:25] <maiatoday_too> also we should probably add it to the front page of ubuntu-za.org as well
[07:26] <nuvolari> o/ mornings
[07:26] <maiatoday_too> my blog feeds there but it's nice to have the event on the front page too
[07:26] <maiatoday_too> hi kbmonkey
[07:27] <maiatoday_too> thanks for helping rooitier last night
[07:27] <Kilos> hiya kbmonkey you in demand hehe
[07:27] <kbmonkey>  hello :)
[07:28] <kbmonkey> did he get it working then maiatoday_too ?
[07:28] <maiatoday_too> nah not yet, it was late but he is excited
[07:28] <kbmonkey> oh hi Kilos. yes its nice to feel useful lol :)
[07:28] <maiatoday_too> he is sudo-ing on a terminal which is pretty good going for someone who has only had an ubuntu machine for 2 days
[07:28] <maiatoday_too> I sent him some links
[07:29] <maiatoday_too> I think the path to the cdrom in that example isn't right so it keeps saying unknown filename
[07:29] <Kilos> wow
[07:29] <maiatoday_too> well there's nothing like a game to give some incentive
[07:29] <kbmonkey> you should tell him to use tab-completion to find the real path
[07:29] <kbmonkey> that might help
[07:29] <maiatoday_too> hopefully sorting the os will be as interesing as playing the game
[07:30] <maiatoday_too> yes at first I thought he had the path to the desktop wrong because he didn't know about case sensetive so I got him to tab complete that
[07:30] <maiatoday_too> but I had already switched my computer off and thought it was better to let him stop and go to bed
[07:31] <maiatoday_too> anyway, I am sure he'll be around later this afternoon or tonight
[07:31] <kbmonkey> okay :)
[07:31] <maiatoday_too> I have to submerge again else I won't make Saturday, have a good day everyone
[07:32] <Kilos> you too maiatoday
[07:32] <kbmonkey> work well
[07:33] <superfly> toodles maiatoday_too, thanks for everything!
[07:55] <superfly> welcome back, kbmonkey :-)
[07:58] <kbmonkey> I closed the window by mistake :P
[07:58] <Kilos> hehe
[07:59] <kbmonkey> what is up for today Kilos superfly ?
[07:59] <kbmonkey> that wiki is cool thanks superfly! seems a bit slow but fine
[07:59] <Kilos> im busy mailing lpi
[07:59] <superfly> kbmonkey: it's running on nginx, it's supposed to be superfast :-P
[08:00] <kbmonkey> I almost had to do landscaping today, ahem, sorry... mowing the lawn
[08:00] <superfly> I might switch it to Apache to see if that speeds it up
[08:00] <Kilos> hehe
[08:00] <Kilos> my x has a landscaping business in durbs
[08:01] <kbmonkey> I think the slow is a connection issue superfly
[08:01] <Kilos> whats the link?
[08:01] <kbmonkey> traceroute indicates many, long jumps :( internets hey
[08:01] <superfly> kbmonkey: no, I get a slow start too
[08:02] <superfly> and my Drupal site (running on Apache) is blitz-vinnig
[08:02] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:02] <Kilos> hi there inetpro
[08:04] <kbmonkey> hosted locally?
[08:04] <kbmonkey> hi inetpro
[08:07] <Kilos> kbmonkey, answer the mail
[08:08] <Kilos> or must i ask those questions here
[08:11] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[08:11]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:12] <Kilos> Maaz, with milk
[08:12] <Maaz> Yay Kilos You aren't one of those skinny guys that needs to drink black coffee to cast a shadow
[08:13] <Tonberry> Maaz who are you calling skinny?
[08:13] <Maaz> Tonberry: Erk, dunno
[08:13] <Kilos> lol
[08:13] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[08:14] <Tonberry> hello
[08:14] <Kilos> Symmetria, you still alive?
[08:15] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[08:16] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[08:16] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[08:55] <zeref> hmmmm
[08:56] <zeref> has anybody taken the ccna exams/
[08:56] <zeref> *?
[10:01]  * morgs ponders redirecting by IP address with nginx.
[12:00] <superfly> morgs: DoS?
[12:02] <morgs> superfly: no actually it's a site for multiple countries, with country-specific content, and GeoIP isn't working because it's a mobi site, and the operator has addresses not in GeoIP.
[12:02] <superfly> ah, OK
[12:02] <morgs> So I have a list of IP addresses for users by country, and need to redirect them automagically.
[12:02] <morgs> Resisting the urge to write code to do it.
[14:03]  * Kerbero is also resisting the urge to write code
[14:03] <Kerbero> need to read up on what is already available
[15:02] <Kilos> afternoon all,
[15:03] <Kerbero> dag
[15:03] <Kilos> hey Kerbero gaan dit goed
[15:04] <Kerbero> jawat dis ok
[15:04] <Kerbero> en daar?
[15:04] <Kilos> mooi, gaan jy ook deel word van die lpi klasse
[15:04] <Kerbero> uhm
[15:04] <Kerbero> lpi?
[15:04] <Kilos> ek werk so stadig deur die kursus
[15:05] <Kilos> linux pro iets
[15:05] <Kerbero> o
[15:05] <Kerbero> ek sal graag wil eendag
[15:05] <Kerbero> maar is nou te besig daarvoor
[15:05] <Kilos> dis net een aand n week so ver
[15:05] <Kilos> oh ja jy studeer ne
[15:06] <Kerbero> jip
[16:20] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[16:22] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[16:25] <Kilos> hi Rooitier
[16:25] <Rooitier> HI all
[16:25] <Kilos> is your game working
[16:26] <Rooitier> Nope still a scholar
[16:26] <Rooitier> u se
[16:26] <Rooitier> *see
[16:26] <Rooitier> was also late so had to go sleep
[16:26] <Kilos> yeah
[16:27] <Rooitier> Right now im going to make the folder on the desktop and unhide hidden icons any clues on how to?
[16:28] <Kilos> hidden icons where?
[16:28] <Rooitier> within the cd file
[16:28] <Rooitier> of Sc2
[16:28] <Kilos> does it show them with a lock on?
[16:28] <Rooitier> so can u give me tips on how to unhide hidden icons?
[16:28] <Kilos> wb bakuman
[16:28] <Rooitier> nope
[16:29] <Kilos> are they hidden in a folder on your desktop?
[16:29] <Rooitier> yes
[16:29] <Rooitier> I need to go eat ill g2g bye
[16:30] <Kilos> whew be patient someone with more knowledge will come on just now
[16:30] <Kilos> eish
[16:31] <Kilos> maybe he needs to make an iso file from the cd
[16:36] <Kilos> Maaz, define frobbing
[16:36] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't know about frobbing. Maybe you meant Robbing or Fobbing?
[17:02] <zeref> hmmm
[17:03] <Kilos> hey zeref
[17:03] <Kilos> lo Squirm
[17:05] <zeref> lo Kilos
[17:48] <Rooitier> Hi all
[18:07] <superfly> hi Rooitier
[18:07] <superfly> tumbleweed: ping
[18:27] <Rooitier> Got it busy installing
[18:27] <Kilos> did you find the hidden files Rooitier
[18:28] <Rooitier> Ya once i moved it to my hard drive it decrypted it so i could run it with wine
[18:28] <Kilos> ah good
[18:29] <Rooitier> Thnx for support guys :)
[18:29] <Kilos> you did the work lad
[18:29] <Kilos> you welcome to visit anytime
[18:30] <Rooitier> Wew wasnt so long afterall quit simple well thats ubuntu short and sweet:)
[18:31] <Kilos> yeah ubuntu rocks
[18:46] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[18:50] <superfly> Mezenir: ping
[18:53] <Mezenir> superfly: pong
[18:53] <superfly> Mezenir: you coming on Saturday?
[18:53] <superfly> Mezenir: more precisely, have you signed up to the mailing list yet?
[18:53] <Mezenir> signed up yes
[18:53] <Mezenir> coming no
[18:53] <Mezenir> im in durbanville tomorrow
[18:53] <superfly> After all that...
[18:53] <Mezenir> with the folks
[18:53] <superfly> Tomorrow is Friday
[18:54] <Mezenir> and by tomorrow i mean saturday
[18:54] <Mezenir> irony is
[18:55] <Mezenir> i live about 2 km from lyra
[18:55] <superfly> -_-
[18:55] <superfly> I chose that day because it was the day you said you could make it... and now you say you can't make it.
[18:56] <superfly> And it's too late now to change anything.
[18:56] <Mezenir> mmm
[18:56] <Mezenir> now youre making me feel bad
[18:57] <Mezenir> ok hang on lemme c
[18:58] <Mezenir> 2pm
[18:58] <Mezenir> fine
[18:58] <superfly> yeah
[18:58] <Mezenir> ill be there
[18:58] <superfly> gives you a reason to escape your parents ;-)
[18:58] <Mezenir> lol
[18:59] <Mezenir> either way im gonna feel bad
[18:59] <Mezenir> thou i was lazy to leave before 2pm
[18:59] <Mezenir> lol
[18:59] <Mezenir> what do people bring
[18:59] <Mezenir> and how will i know its you :P
[19:00] <superfly> Did you see the link to the picture of my netbook?
[19:00] <superfly> http://christianoss.org/sites/default/files/u3/mini-notebook-nb505-n508bl-laptop.png
[19:00] <superfly> I have one of those... blue, exactly like that
[19:01] <Mezenir> btw
[19:01] <Mezenir> where can i find laptops without windows
[19:02] <Mezenir> it seems hard
[19:02] <Mezenir> id like a nice cpu
[19:02] <superfly> dunno... mine came with Windows - not that I ever gave Windows a chance to boot up
[19:02] <Mezenir> core i5
[19:02] <Mezenir> but it seems
[19:02] <Mezenir> youre gonna paaaaay
[19:05] <Mezenir> how much did yours cost ?
[19:05] <superfly> $268
[19:07] <Mezenir> mmmm
[19:07] <Mezenir> 64bit i take it ?
[19:08] <superfly> ja
[19:08] <superfly> bought it off Amazon when I was over in the USA visiting the wife's family
[19:08] <Mezenir> mmm
[19:09] <Mezenir> mebe i should avoid the core series for a linux laptop
[19:09] <Mezenir> not like it needs to do gaming
[19:09] <superfly> my 3D is actually pretty darn good.
[19:14] <zeref-Lap> has anybody taken the cisco network exams (ccna etc)
[19:20] <Mezenir> mmm
[19:20] <Mezenir> im eyeballing this one
[19:20] <Mezenir> http://www.takealot.com/electronics/lenovo-g575-amd-dual-core-processor-e-350-notebook,10799772
[19:21] <ghostknife> omg. Want a fun time? do ANTLR. <- note sarcasm
[19:21] <ghostknife> Almost 10PM. Time to go home perhaps.
[19:24] <Mezenir> seems it has linux issues ?:/
[19:42] <superfly> Mezenir: what I would do is look at the specs on the Lenovo site and see if you can figure out what hardware it uses... the big things that won't necessarily work are the wireless nic and the webcam
[19:50] <Mezenir> mmmm
[19:50] <Mezenir> do you have arch installed ?
[19:51] <superfly> No, Kubuntu
[19:51] <Mezenir> k
[19:54] <Mezenir> mmm
[19:54] <Mezenir> good point
[19:54] <Mezenir> cpu will most likely work
[19:54] <Mezenir> graphics drivers are usually a problem
[19:54] <Mezenir> and i dont care for webcam
[19:54] <Mezenir> wireless is nice to have
[19:55] <Mezenir> but not essential
[19:55] <Tonberry> Pester Kerbero for info on the e-350 and compatibility
[19:55] <Tonberry> he has one
[19:56] <Mezenir> thanks
[20:08] <superfly> Mezenir: basically, Intel works OK, nVidia works awesome, and the rest either barely work, or don't work at all... though apparently ATI is getting there these days
[20:13] <Mezenir> mmm
[20:13] <Mezenir> i dont really play games on linux
[20:13] <Mezenir> but for movies and series
[20:13] <Mezenir> i have a 4890 radeon
[20:13] <Mezenir> that works awesome in kubuntu
[20:14] <Mezenir> its the integrated intel graphics im worried about
[20:14] <Mezenir> but ill research
[20:14] <Mezenir> arch has a pretty good guide on their wireless setup
[20:14] <Mezenir> so ill look for something that matches
[20:37] <nuvolari> bah!
[20:38] <nuvolari> superfly: halp, need halp. in drupal, does blocks contain nodes, or is it the other way round?
[20:38] <nuvolari> or how do I get content to display in blocks (dynamic content)
[20:38] <superfly> nuvolari: blocks usually just contain lists or something
[20:38] <superfly> um, use Views
[20:42] <nuvolari> ah, thanks :>
[20:42] <nuvolari> I'm a bit rusty
[20:42] <nuvolari> but drupal 7 looks good
[21:17] <tumbleweed> superfly: pong
[21:18] <superfly> tumbleweed: just wondering if you'll be able to make the Ubuntu Hour on Saturday?
[21:19] <tumbleweed> superfly: it clashes with a hackathon we're having, but I can probably stick my nosein
[21:19] <superfly> tumbleweed: no worries, was just wondering
[21:43]  * nuvolari tips hat. 'night


[12:42] <njueyt> http://tinyurl.com/nkypfa
[13:34] <slaine_> Anyone know of the Xvmc issues have been resolved for Via CLE266 based units ?
[13:52] <Guest29766> anyone know the default username required when installing mythdora livecd ?
[17:22] <plb> What's the best digital tuner card for Usians? I've got a PVRUSB2 which works fine but it's only analog
[17:23] <plb> Oh yeah, that is also USB
[17:23] <plb> since it will be on a laptop
[17:25] <MythbuntuGuest96> Hopefully this is an easy question.  Is there a way to update the media database from the command line in mythbuntu?  That is, run a command (or something) to make it query and see that I've got a new video file on the NAS that Mythbuntu uses?
[17:25] <MythbuntuGuest96> Or does this happen at reboot, so I can just reboot the Mythbuntu machine and have it "pick up" the new file at reboot?
[17:26] <wombo> I cant remember the details, but yes I think there is something
[17:28] <MythbuntuGuest96> Okay, I'll keep poking around.  Hopefully someone else may know more, but thanks for your help wombo :)
[17:28] <wombo> Have a search on the mythtv wiki
[17:28] <wombo> there might be something there, or ask on the #mythtv-users channel
[17:29] <MythbuntuGuest96> I'll check there.  I've been trying different google searches with no real help
[17:29] <wombo> But I would suggest you search first or you might get flamed
[17:29] <wombo> It is all fuzzy but there might be changes in the next release
[23:03] <f4hy> Hey all, is there no installation guide for 9.04 yet?
[23:06] <f4hy> I seem to be having an odd issue, when the front end starts up I just get a black screen with a white rectagle in the middle. It looks like it is just not rendering correctly, a theme issue?
[23:13] <neoteny> f4hy, sounds a little similar to what i had on two installations of 9.04.  i was installing and then using the tv on the first boot.  are you doing that?
[23:14] <neoteny> the fix for me was doing the initial boot after installation on a monitor.
[23:14] <f4hy> neoteny: I have no idea how to access the tv controls, I cant even run the mythtv bakcend setup becuase it just gives me a black screen
[23:14] <f4hy> I am just hooked up to a monitor
[23:14] <f4hy> no tv
[23:15] <neoteny> f4hy then different issue.
[23:16] <f4hy> I think it is theme issue ofr some reason, do you know how to change the theme without starting mythtv?
[23:38] <neoteny> f4hy no, but maybe locate myththmenu.xml.  that might have the theme it's using in there.  but did you change the theme shortly before this issue?
[23:38] <f4hy> neoteny: nope, made no changes, was never even able to get that option
[23:38] <f4hy> mythtv-setup does not render
[23:39] <neoteny> i'm out of my field of expertise but if it were me i'd assume i had my graphics card installed wrong.
[23:40] <f4hy> neoteny: probably the case, but it is a fresh install, so mythtv may be fucking up the graphics card install right off the bat, but not sure how to fix that
[23:46] <neoteny> f4hy, you can start i suppose by looking at the xorg log in /var/log


[16:08] <ApOgEE-> hi all
[16:09] <ApOgEE-> have you guys ever experience with laptop bios bricked problem after upgrading?


[06:12] <Kilos> morning za peeps
[06:13] <magespawn> good morning
[06:15] <thatgraemeguy> morning
[07:03] <nsnzero> morning all
[07:26] <chesedo> morning all
[07:30] <nsnzero> trying out irssi - dont know if i set it up right ???
[07:31] <Kilos> lol that was difficult for me
[07:34] <Symmetria> heh irssi is simple if you keep the options simple
[07:35] <Symmetria> but there are a gazillion things you can do with it - and the more you do the more complex it gets
[07:35] <Kilos> hehe ill stick to konversation
[07:37] <nsnzero> morning Kilos and Symmetria
[07:37] <nsnzero> yeah reading the documentation - it gets quite complex
[07:42] <magespawn> i like it a lot, i do not have a comples setup though.
[07:42] <superfly> nsnzero: I've heard that weechat is a bit nicer
[07:43] <Symmetria> heh so - Neotel transaction is done and dusted - now the real work begins
[07:43] <superfly> But I prefer my Quassel setup
[07:43] <Symmetria> and there will be a lot of it
[07:45] <nsnzero> i just setup irssi because it was the first one i saw - but now i will have to try quassel superfly
[07:46] <nsnzero> Symmetria: we will be happy to help with testing the network - if you provide us with modems
[07:47] <superfly> nsnzero: Quassel is slightly different. You can either use it as a normal IRC client, or you can use it as a GUI client in your PC that interfaces with a core daemon on a remote server
[07:49] <superfly> nsnzero: I have the client/core setup, which means that right now I'm using the Quasseldroid app on my phone to chat :)
[07:50] <superfly> nsnzero: ask paddatrapper about his weechat app on his phone, that's also pretty cool
[07:51] <paddatrapper> nsnzero: I running weechat in tmux on a VPS and ssh into it usually. On my phone I have Weechat remote which works with the remote API in weechat
[07:51] <paddatrapper> Also occasionally use the web remote
[07:56]  * nsnzero is experiencing an information overload
[07:57] <nsnzero> bbl guys - take care
[08:16] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:16] <inetpro> Symmetria: you are back in Town?
[08:25] <Kilos> lol
[08:25] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[08:31] <Kilos> Maaz announce
[08:31] <Maaz> Kilos: Excuse me?
[08:31] <Kilos> Hi Miles,
[08:31] <Kilos> there's no meeting today. The next one is on the 10th January. If you
[08:31] <Kilos> like we can extend the the verification for ubuntu-za until 10th January.
[08:31] <Kilos> Make sure to setup the Reverification page and add it to our agenda
[08:31] <Kilos> here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[08:31] <Kilos> Maaz ok
[08:31] <Maaz> Kilos: *blink*
[08:32] <Kilos> no verification today guys
[08:32] <Kilos> i have asked for it to be on the 10th as he suggested
[08:32]  * Kilos waits for ack
[08:33] <Kilos> chesedo superfly inetpro etc etc^^
[08:33] <superfly> Kilos: fine with me
[08:37] <inetpro> +1
[08:39] <inetpro> superfly: before I forget to talk to you before your flight, which hopefully I won't, I wish you safe travels and many fond memories on your holiday trip abroad
[08:40] <inetpro> oops... it's not a holiday?
[08:40] <superfly> hah
[08:40] <superfly> if it was just a holiday, why didn't I leave in october?
[08:40] <inetpro> :-)
[08:41] <inetpro> anyway... hope you have a short flight and arrive safely on that side
[08:46] <inetpro> make the most of the last few moments here and don't forget to appreciate the flight attendants on board
[08:46] <inetpro> they will most likely not be with family during the coming few days
[09:10] <chesedo> Kilos: np
[09:17] <Langjan> G'morning Kilos did you sleep well?
[09:19] <superfly> inetpro: my shortest flight is 4 hours
[09:21] <inetpro> superfly: keep yourself busy programming in flight
[09:21] <Langjan> Hi superfly what route do you fly?
[09:22] <MaNI> I don't know how anyone could do any meaningful programming on a plane, unless in a first class seat or something
[09:22] <superfly> Langjan: Cape Town to Doha to Chicago to Tucson
[09:22] <inetpro> hi Langjan
[09:23] <Kilos> hi Langjan
[09:23] <Langjan> Whew, long detour. Reminds me of our Oz trip via Doha - Qatar?
[09:23] <Kilos> yes ty and i feel better today how are you sir
[09:23] <Langjan> hi inetpro and Kilos
[09:24] <Langjan> Glad youre feeling better
[09:24] <Langjan> I'm fine thks Kilos
[09:24] <inetpro> MaNI: a friend of mine does it on his daily trips on the Tube in the UK
[09:25] <MaNI> no idea how a tube compares to a plane, but plane seats are so cramped that you can't even get a good angle view of your monitor or type properly - my personal experience
[09:25] <Langjan> Kilos, my screen freeze has to do with full screen, not screensaver except in that it also goes full screen
[09:26] <MaNI> maybe a very small person might have better luck
[09:26] <Langjan> http://askubuntu.com/questions/577459/making-youtube-fullscreen-will-freeze-unity-the-whole-desktop
[09:27] <Langjan> Does it in Opera, not in Firefox
[09:27] <Langjan> Opera also keeps asking for keyring
[09:27] <MaNI> Thats before taking into account constant interruptions and other issues like that which make difficult problem solving unlikely - I suppose if coding very easy stuff thats less of an issue but IDK it seems like trying to force something that just shouldn't happen - better to just do something more suited to plane flight like read a book or sleep or something
[09:28] <Kilos> let me read it Langjan
[09:28] <Kilos> hard to sleep sitting up MaNI we not chickens
[09:28] <MaNI> tube is probably a bit less cramped than an aircraft seat - but I wouldn't know as I've never been to london
[09:29] <Kilos> Langjan Page Not Found
[09:29] <Kilos> ai!
[09:30] <MaNI> Kilos, I usually find that if I pick a window seat and take a jersey I can lean against the wall in a position that allows a light sleep like state - not perfect but passable. Any other seat except window is a disaster
[09:32] <Langjan> Kilos, Firefox finds it no prob: http://askubuntu.com/questions/577459/making-youtube-fullscreen-will-freeze-unity-the-whole-desktop
[09:49] <Kilos> installing the fox
[09:49] <Kilos> sigh
[09:50] <Kilos> what are you doing in youtube now that freezes your screen Langjan
[09:50] <Kilos> just resize it so it isnt full screen and see what happens
[09:51] <Kilos> internet very very slow here today
[10:01] <Langjan> Kilos, watched this video: http://e4wd.co.za/breathtaking-drone-footage-filmed-throughout-africa/
[10:02] <Kilos> langjan try that fix but be careful in compiz
[10:03] <Kilos> i dont do videos man
[10:03] <Kilos> battled even to download firefox
[10:03] <Kilos> try that fix but be careful in compiz
[10:03] <Langjan> Resize? Its standard size or full screen. Standard size works fine, as soon as I go full screen it works for a while but seems to freeze whenever I click on something like "share" icon. Also freezes when video stops at the end.
[10:04] <Kilos> you can drag the sides of pages to resize them
[10:04] <Kilos> try the compix fix
[10:04] <Kilos> or install kde
[10:04] <Kilos> fly said beware of fiddling in compiz
[10:04] <Kilos> so be carefull
[10:04] <Langjan> Tried the fix, does not work for Opera. I also put Firefox in and am not sure if that made the diff but FF is wokring foine in full screen.
[10:05] <Kilos> no rush rush break things
[10:05] <Langjan> Yes I am very wary of compiz
[10:05] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:05] <Kilos> does the fox now do speedtest
[10:05] <Langjan> yes its fine
[10:06] <Kilos> yay then use it seeing as you are so anti opera
[10:06] <Langjan> I'm not anti-opera its fast but no good it it freezes my screen and keeps asking for keyring
[10:07] <Kilos> huh
[10:07] <Langjan> bobbejaantjie sê huh
[10:07] <Langjan> lmga!
[10:08] <Kilos> get this one
[10:08] <Kilos> http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/opera
[10:08] <Kilos> then when you apt update it will get keyrings stuff
[10:09] <Kilos> i gave you the wrong one last night sorry sir
[10:13] <Langjan> Go pm
[13:57] <Kilos-> hi chesedo do you think our wiki reverification page is complete?
[13:58] <Kilos-> and did you note the date change
[13:58] <Kilos-> 10th jan at 1700 utc
[13:58] <Kilos-> so 7pm here i think
[13:58] <Kilos-> paddatrapper you guys winning with iterum
[13:59] <paddatrapper> Kilos-: Getting there. ALmost ready to package
[13:59] <Kilos-> whats news magespawn ? you been very quiet
[13:59] <Kilos-> wonderful paddatrapper
[13:59] <Kilos-> kudos to you and superfly
[13:59] <paddatrapper> Thanks :)
[14:01] <chesedo> Kilos-: this is the first time that i'll witness a reverification, so do not really know what __complete__ will be. but i'll go and compare it to the docs later tonight and give you feedback
[14:01] <chesedo> Kilos: ^^
[14:08] <Kilos> cool ty lad i think superfly is happy with it, if so i will add it to the agenda for the 10th
[14:12] <nsnzero> installed plamsa 5.8.4 - had to edited all the themes again
[14:13] <Kilos> lol
[14:17] <nsnzero> hi Kilos
[14:18] <nsnzero> they put a funny black splash screen after a bright blue login screen
[14:22] <Kilos> lol
[14:23] <nsnzero> if anyone needs help changing their plasma themes - i can help abit
[14:32] <Kilos> you can do that in nsettings i think
[14:32] <Kilos> there is a get new themes button
[14:33] <Kilos> or you can search your pics
[14:33] <Symmetria> mmmm
[14:33] <Symmetria> can anyone here browse to www.flysaa.com?
[14:33] <Symmetria> it seems to be having serious issues right now
[14:33] <Kilos> unknown host
[14:34] <Kilos> have you tried etihad airways
[14:34] <Kilos> they quite good imo though im no frequent flier
[14:34] <Symmetria> LOL kilos I need to fly to ZA and within ZA
[14:35] <Kilos> just economy is too cramped to sleep
[14:35] <Symmetria> but I'm just laughing because flysaa.com being down = major chaos at this time of the year
[14:35] <Kilos> yeah crazy
[14:35] <Symmetria> heh I'm platinum on SAA
[14:35] <Symmetria> platinum on emirates
[14:35] <Symmetria> platinum on BA
[14:36] <Symmetria> and gold in ethiad
[14:36] <Symmetria> lol
[14:36] <Kilos> that dont help if the airline crashed
[14:36] <Symmetria> yeah :p
[14:44] <nsnzero> wonder if a dns problem or DDOS????
[14:47] <Symmetria> dns problem
[14:54] <nsnzero> i read a story once about this company - their server would go down every 2nd day for 7 to 7:30
[14:55] <Symmetria> hahahahahaha
[14:55] <nsnzero> after much trouble shooting , they discovered that the cleaner would unplug it to plug in the floor cleaning machine
[14:55] <Symmetria> so here is what happened
[14:55] <Symmetria> busineses connection didn't pay for a domain
[14:55] <Symmetria> that domain has the nameservers on it for flysaa.com
[14:57] <nsnzero> how much business that is going to cost them - being peek season
[14:58] <nsnzero> cant you use their ip address ? the dns is a lookup service for ip addresses
[14:59] <Symmetria> heh you can't because of the vhosting and the way its done
[14:59] <Symmetria> :) and don't worry I know how DNS works - lol I run the largest DNS servers on the continent - I've logged the relevant calls
[14:59] <Symmetria> and trying to get hold of the CEO of ZACR at the moment
[15:02] <Symmetria> I got the suspension lifted on ipnetwork.co.za
[15:03] <nsnzero> Symmetria: you are very knowledgable indeed
[15:03] <nsnzero> bbl
[15:11] <inetpro> well done Symmetria
[15:13] <Symmetria> heh that will bring most of the parastatals back
[15:13] <Symmetria> thats hilarious though
[16:22] <Squirm> Evening
[16:25] <Kilos> wow Squirm you still alive
[16:25] <Squirm> :)
[16:25] <Squirm> Still around
[16:36] <Kilos-> sjoe power keeps going with the storm
[16:59] <magespawn> Chat later all
[17:18] <nsnzero> guys i am getting a 404 error on za.archive.ubuntu.com , when trying to update
[18:33] <nsnzero> good evening all
[18:34] <magespawn> good evening
[18:35] <nsnzero> how you doing magespawn ?
[18:36] <magespawn> good and you nsnzero ?
[18:37] <nsnzero> i am well, just a little hot
[18:49] <magespawn> was fairly warm here today too, but just had a nice thunderstorm so that has cooled things down a bit
[18:56] <nsnzero> magespawn: thats good - its cloudy here now - hopefully we get some rain to drop the temp
[18:57] <nsnzero> magespawn: can you run sudo apt-get update and check if za.archive.ubuntu.com gives a 404 error ?
[18:58] <magespawn> not running ubuntu unfortunately, so prabably would not do any good
[18:58] <nsnzero> kubuntu ?
[18:58] <magespawn> nope, kali based on debian
[18:59] <nsnzero> oh ok - pen testing ?
[19:00] <magespawn> yes, learning mostly, but it is the main os on this machine
[19:01] <nsnzero> i used kali as well - but i dont like it much ...
[19:01] <magespawn> why not?
[19:02] <nsnzero> i cant get it to work - even with a simple windows xp machine it fails
[19:03] <magespawn> ahh,it does take a bit of practice and most of the commands assume you are running as root
[19:05] <nsnzero> i followed the tut to the letter , but no reverse shell on meterpreter
[19:06] <nsnzero> no error messages ether , like everything went smoothly but no shell
[19:06] <nsnzero> *either
[19:06] <magespawn> ahh well, i wont be any use like said i am still learning
[19:07] <nsnzero> i wish you the best
[19:08] <nsnzero> get armitage for kali its a good gui for metsaploit
[19:09] <magespawn> i think sometimes those tutorials are against the perfect target
[19:09] <magespawn> armitage comes installed now
[19:10] <nsnzero> ok - i downloaded the vmplayer iso - didnt have it installed by default
[19:12] <magespawn> i have never used that, i have always had installed as the main OS, but at work i have a nice enough machine that i can run it virtually
[19:16] <nsnzero> i gave it a try it was the main os in this laptop for a while until i upgrade to plasma 5.8.2 on my other HP - from the neon repo
[19:17] <nsnzero> the upgrade didnt go well , so i installed kubuntu here on put kali in a vm
[19:18] <nsnzero> hi chesedo
[19:21] <chesedo> hi nsnzero
[19:21] <magespawn> hi chesedo
[19:21] <chesedo> and magespawn
[19:22] <chesedo> :D
[19:23] <nsnzero> magespawn: if you need any help , let me try
[19:24] <magespawn> i will do, thanks nsnzero
[19:26] <nsnzero> magespawn: learn ruby - it will help you understand the internals of MSF
[19:26] <magespawn> most of it is finding a lab to practice in, so i do not accidentally tear down some persons website etc
[19:27] <magespawn> that might have to wait a bit, learning python and php first, but i do have a couple of ruby courses lined up
[19:27] <nsnzero> wait i can help with that
[19:28] <magespawn> my current employer has graciously allowed us to build a lab at work, i just have to be a bit patient
[19:28] <nsnzero> give this a try /www.hackthissite.org/ its a good starting point
[19:30] <magespawn> i have used that one briefly befoer, but have not been back in awhile
[19:30] <magespawn> before
[19:31] <magespawn> there is also this site https://www.hackthis.co.uk/
[19:31] <nsnzero> yeah there are a couple of those types of sites
[19:32] <magespawn> i have also found a couple that have CTF set that you can install on a web server in a lab
[19:33] <nsnzero> the rapid 7 exploit database also makes good potty reading
[19:33] <magespawn> yes
[19:33] <magespawn> i want to get my hands on some of the equipment from hak5
[19:34] <nsnzero> i will have to google that
[19:34] <magespawn> time is always short though, and i still have to work
[19:34] <magespawn> bloggers and such have website up, with come very nice kit on it, also a youtube channel
[19:35] <magespawn> and sleep
[19:38] <nsnzero> now i wondering about making a rubber ducky
[19:38] <nsnzero> take care magespawn
[19:38] <magespawn> i am off, good night all


[00:19] <ari-tczew> yofel: what about forwarding this one to Debian? bug 1195498
[00:21] <yofel> well, debian was never affected by that, and I'm not even convinced we need those files (as I didn't see anything that would require them). Considering you just removed the headers from the package you can close the bug I guess
[00:22] <yofel> (with the upload)
[00:26] <ari-tczew> yofel: right, I've already remove those files through merge.
[00:27]  * ari-tczew begins to falling asleep.
[00:52] <ari-tczew> FYI, bug 1205545
[09:44] <soee> good morning
[12:06] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[12:22] <soee> hiho lordievader
[12:22] <lordievader> Hey soee, how are you?
[12:23] <soee> lordievader, after some food and working again :) not so bad, you ?
[12:31] <lordievader> Doing good too :)
[12:33] <lordievader> Playing with tmpfs :D
[12:37] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[17:51] <manchicken> The awkward moment when you show up to a hackathon where people RSVP'ed and nobody shows up....
[17:52] <manchicken> Which is probably for the best at the moment... the internet isn't working. I'm having to tether.
[20:06] <manchicken> apachelogger: I'm going to disregard your spaces criticism :) I'm keeping the code file consistent, even if it is inconsistent with normal standards.
[20:06] <manchicken> apachelogger: I don't want to be the guy who gets 100% diffs in a commit for space issues and causes conflicts or makes troubleshooting harder :)
[20:12] <manchicken> apachelogger: Nevermind... I'm wrong on the spaces issue, I see where you're talking about me having changed the spaces. I'll make sure I fix that.  Well, i need something to do, so i'll do this
[22:03] <manchicken> apachelogger: ping
[22:25] <manchicken> apachelogger, JontheEchidna: I just re-sumitted my merge request.


[08:23] <didrocks> lut seb128 :)
[08:23] <seb128> 'lu didrocks
[08:27] <didrocks> seb128: do you want me to have a look at nautilus-share for notification? (nothing special to do this week-end :))
[08:28] <didrocks> (I am currently reading the commentaries on the bug #212098)
[08:28] <seb128> didrocks: that would be nice!
[08:29] <didrocks> seb128: ok, working on it :) I just have to find another package with similar notification (I only used GNOME notification in python, not in C)
[08:30] <seb128> didrocks: what sort of notification are you speaking about there?
[08:31] <didrocks> I didn't read the end of the commentaries (still reading), but the chosen solution is not to notify user about unlogin/login again?
[08:33] <crevette> hello
[08:33] <didrocks> lut crevette
[08:33] <crevette> hello frenchies
[08:36] <seb128> didrocks: right, but there is several way to notify users, notification bubble, dialog, etc
[08:36] <seb128> 'lu crevette
[08:37] <crevette> seb128: salut, is g-user-share covered by GNOME exception freeze ?
[08:37] <didrocks> seb128: I will first read the end of the commentary (I was thinking first about the notification area in gnome's board)
[08:37] <seb128> crevette: no but I grant an exception, did some ask about it on the bug?
[08:38] <crevette> didrocks: sorry I'm arriving in the middle on the discussion, for that do you need notification (I can perhaps help you)
[08:38] <crevette> seb128: yep
[08:38] <crevette> didrocks: bug 212098 ?
[08:38] <seb128> mvo, pitti: any opinion about whether the need to restart your session notification should be a gtk dialog to acknowledge or a notification icon or bubble?
[08:38] <didrocks> crevette: exactly :)
[08:38] <crevette> damn epi doesn start
[08:39] <seb128> crevette: read the previous lines on your screen?
[08:39] <crevette> yeah
[08:39] <pitti> seb128: my feeling is that it should be a messsage box which offers you to restart your session right now, or do it later
[08:39] <mvo> seb128: I think it should be a dialog
[08:39] <pitti> but IANAUE (usability expert)
[08:40] <seb128> ok, we all agree there apparently
[08:40] <didrocks> ok :)
[08:40] <seb128> didrocks: so it's a dialog which should be used there ;-)
[08:40] <mvo> didrocks: you will work on this? excellent!
[08:40]  * mvo hugs didrocks
[08:40] <didrocks> why not using the GNOME notification area? (just to know why having a different behavior from upgrades)
[08:40] <didrocks> mvo: you will thank me once done :)
[08:41] <mvo> heh :)
[08:41] <pitti> didrocks: you don't need to restart your computer, just your session
[08:41] <pitti> we don't have an existing panel thingy for that, do we?
[08:41] <mvo> I don't think we have
[08:41] <seb128> pitti: I think the question is rather about consistency
[08:41] <didrocks> yeah, the existing panel is only for restart, you're right :)
[08:41] <crevette> seb128: what about using zenity ?
[08:42] <seb128> crevette: that's the suck, why adding a depends on an another software when you can use gtk directly?
[08:42] <seb128> crevette: it's a C application using GTK anyway, so better to add some line that ugly system call to zenity
[08:42] <crevette> zenity is installed by default, but I think we are rather limited
[08:43] <seb128> crevette: what do we win to use zenity rather than writting some code lines?
[08:43] <crevette> I don't know the scope really
[08:43] <didrocks> that's for sure, we do not to add an extra dependency
[08:44] <seb128> crevette: the scope is displaying a gtk dialog in a gtk application
[08:44] <crevette> just to request to logoff or with a button that will logoff the user?
[08:45] <seb128> the dialog should tell the user it needs to restart the session
[08:45] <crevette> okay
[08:45] <seb128> you get bonus point for adding a button doing that though ;-)
[08:45] <crevette> I already did that for gnome-user-share
[08:45] <didrocks> I will try to get bonus :-)
[08:45] <crevette> a neat notification bubble when files arrive adyou have not only 1 but 2 buttons
[08:45] <crevette> One to open the file and one to reveal the file in nautilus
[08:46] <crevette> :)
[08:46] <seb128> crevette: in this case we don't want a nautilus bubble
[08:46] <crevette> yeah
[08:46] <crevette> there is no api to propose to logoff from the session
[08:47] <crevette> I quickly read over the consolekit doc, but didn't find that
[08:47] <crevette> http://people.freedesktop.org/~mccann/doc/ConsoleKit/ConsoleKit.html#Manager.CloseSession
[08:47] <crevette> \./
[08:47] <didrocks> and what about adding (not now, but for the future) a dedicated GNOME notification for unloging/login in addition to the restart one?
[08:47] <crevette> didrocks: you have all the API to do it :)
[08:48] <seb128> crevette: gnome-session has an api, see how the "restart now" bubble works
[08:49] <crevette> the one to restart the computer ?
[08:49] <crevette> hmmm
[08:50]  * crevette is looking for the doc
[08:54] <davmor2> seb128: gimp gegl white balance window it too small all the button and scales are on top of each other
[08:54] <seb128> davmor2: I don't care
[08:54] <davmor2> :)
[08:54] <seb128> davmor2: I don't use gimp, I don't work on gimp and I've too much to do already
[08:54] <seb128> davmor2: bugs go to the bug tracker
[09:42] <seb128> crevette_: did you figure why your nautilus is slow btw?
[09:51] <Nafallo> seb128: gnome-panel froze, and I stupidly did pkill gnome-panel... can I get it back?
[09:52] <seb128> Nafallo: it should automatically autorespawn
[09:52] <Nafallo> gnome-panel & says it's already running :-/
[09:52] <seb128> try again ;-)
[09:52] <Nafallo> that's what I thought...
[09:53] <Nafallo> it does start a new gnome-panel, but it doesn't come back.
[09:53] <Nafallo> confusing.
[09:53] <Nafallo> jeez, even the panels hate me now...
[09:54] <seb128> that's weird
[09:55] <Nafallo> agreed. I have done nothing for them to be hateful.
[09:55]  * Nafallo blames NM PPA
[09:55] <seb128> try restarting your session maybe
[09:55] <seb128> though that should be required
[09:55] <Nafallo> yepp. will do when this file transfer has been completed.
[09:55] <seb128> did you verify that the gnome-panel pid changed when you restarted it? maybe it's really stucked ;-)
[09:56] <Nafallo> I did.
[09:56] <Nafallo> different PID
[09:56] <Nafallo> also, this is hardy :-P
[09:56] <Nafallo> with some crack from PPA ;-)
[09:59] <seb128> you did something to upset it apparently
[09:59] <seb128> or do you have an another display connected? or incorrect display environment set?
[10:04] <Nafallo> seb128: nope. all fine after a reboot though
[10:11] <mvo> is there a way to force the panel to reload its config?
[10:11] <mvo> dbus/unix signal or somethign?
[10:13] <seb128> mvo: no, that's gconf and it should pick that up but that doesn't work correctly which is a bug
[10:14] <seb128> mvo: is that for the config change after upgrade? users should better restart after distro version upgrades anyway
[10:14] <mvo> seb128: right, there is the case when there are multiple users, each of them has to click on the button individually
[10:15] <mvo> seb128: its for the panel config update thing
[10:15] <seb128> mvo: is that an issue having the dialog for each user?
[10:16] <mvo> seb128: no, I was just wondering if it can be done more elegantly. right now it tells the user to logout after the change got applied
[10:16] <mvo> now I just need someone to review the strings :)
[10:17] <seb128> mvo: ideally the gnome-panel should update its configuration immediatly but I doubt we will work on that before intrepid
[10:17] <mvo> (and more tea)
[10:17]  * seb128 hugs mvo
[10:17] <mvo> seb128: yeah, its really a corner case and a one time operation so it should be fine
[10:26] <crevette_> seb128: no
[10:27] <crevette_> seb128: it is just the windows resizing in spatial mode for icon and compact views
[10:27] <seb128> crevette_: not list?
[10:28] <crevette_> seb128: no
[10:33] <crevette_> seb128: I'm interested if you can confirm my bug
[10:34] <seb128> crevette_: no I can't, but I'm using compiz and the view content is not updated dynamically when changing the geometry is only displays a color rectangle
[10:34] <crevette_> ah yeah
[10:34] <crevette> I will open a bug
[10:35] <crevette> yeah window manager is perhaps tied also to that
[10:35] <crevette> tons of things are related
[10:36] <seb128> well, it does a lot of content update when resizing
[10:36] <seb128> which means rewrapping the icons etc at every event
[10:36] <crevette> it seems the icons view is heavier
[10:37] <crevette> « icons » for icon and compact view
[10:37] <seb128> sure, the list is just a list
[10:37] <seb128> icons need to be placed, ie it needs to recalculate the grid for every geometry change
[10:37] <seb128> which can easily be some hundred times when you do your change
[10:37] <crevette> yeah, but I would have thought the list is heavier as there more infor to display and place
[10:38] <crevette> yeah
[10:38] <seb128> the list has no calcul, that's just a list, it's linear
[10:38] <seb128> the grid in icon view needs to determine if the icon goes to the next line etc
[10:38] <seb128> the padding, the space, the wrapping
[10:42] <crevette> so, I need to correct my package
[10:42]  * crevette is doing too much things in the same time
[10:45] <seb128> crevette: what?
[10:45] <seb128> hey slomo
[10:45] <slomo> hi seb128 :)
[10:45] <seb128> slomo: did you look at the stacktrace the guy attached on the gstreamer new crasher?
[10:45] <crevette> seb128: installing a 9 TV box for my parents in law for instance
[10:45] <crevette> :)
[10:45] <slomo> seb128: not yet, one moment :)
[10:45] <seb128> crevette: ah ok
[10:46] <crevette> and the patch on which i'm working on since Monday for nautilus-sendto
[10:50] <slomo> seb128: stackstrace looks good, i'll care for it later
[10:50] <seb128> slomo: thank you
[10:51] <slomo> no idea how this can happen yet but the stacktrace contains almost everything useful :)
[10:52] <slomo> must be some interesting vorbis file ;)
[11:23] <mvo> hm, gnome-panel uses quilt ...
[12:43] <crevette> someone around here ?
[12:44] <crevette> for http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18365004/gnome-user-share_0.40-0ubuntu1.dsc I've change Maintainer to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but should I change uploader also ?
[12:47] <BugMaN> crevette: i think no
[12:47] <BugMaN> crevette: just change maintainer and add original-maintainer field
[12:48] <BugMaN> seb128: (13:44:26) crevette: for http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18365004/gnome-user-share_0.40-0ubuntu1.dsc I've change Maintainer to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but should I change uploader also ? Confirm that?
[12:48] <crevette> BugMaN: okay that's already done, on machine
[12:48] <seb128> crevette: no, no need to change the uploader
[12:49] <crevette> BugMaN: yes, but it seemed weird to have the uploader set to Debian GNOME Maintainers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:50] <seb128> crevette: that's not worth a delta, uploader is just not used in ubuntu
[14:07] <desrt> davidbarth; yo
[14:14] <huats> seb128: hey
[14:14] <seb128> lut huats
[14:14] <huats> the good news is that the latest bakery is packaged....
[14:15] <huats> the bad one is that I cannot fully test it (since I need glom for that), and so far I have a pb with my pbuilder and local packages...
[14:15] <huats> :(
[14:15] <huats> but I hope to solve it really soon...
[14:17] <seb128> huats: I'll not look at those before monday anyway so take your time
[14:17] <huats> ok
[14:17] <huats> great
[14:17] <huats> :)
[16:45] <mvo> mpt: do you have a moment to review a upgrade note text with me? I would like to have your input on it
[16:50] <mpt> mvo, sure
[16:57] <mvo> seb128: seriously, how much would you hate me if I put gnome-panel into bzr?
[16:57] <seb128> mvo: I though you did this morning?
[16:59] <mvo> seb128: I have it locally in bzr, but did not push anything to LP
[16:59] <mvo> I didn't want to do it without your consent
[17:00] <seb128> mvo: oh I didn't reply to the your comment? you already did that for several other packages so feel free to do it for this one too, not sure what it brings you though, it seems only extra work to me still ;-)
[17:01] <mvo> its ok, I don't have to, I can just keep it locally and sync it back when needed
[17:02] <seb128> mvo: no, just use bzr, it's not lot of extra work, I'm just curious to know how it makes your job easier ;-)
[17:02] <seb128> mvo: would be nice to have a way to get ubuntu:source and push without having to know what urls to use though
[17:02] <mvo> I love to be able to do bzr diff and revert and stuff
[17:05] <slomo> seb128: are there any other new scary gstreamer bugs since the update? :)
[17:06] <seb128> slomo: not that I noticed no, only this user who run into a crash
[17:06] <slomo> ok
[17:06] <seb128> I didn't get any new issue and there is no other bug that I read about
[17:44] <pitti> anyone who knows gimp?
[17:44] <pitti> I have gimp-help-en installed, but help menu still says that help isn't installed
[17:45] <pitti> I'm looking into building without webkit, to cut down the CD explosion with the new gimp again
[17:45] <pitti> and want to check what kind of regression it would give
[17:45] <pitti> but I can't even get help to work with the current intrepid version
[17:45] <pitti> oh, gimp-help-* is still for 2.4
[17:46] <pitti> seems we need to update the gimp-help source package to 2.6, too?
[17:51] <seb128> pitti: trying
[17:51] <seb128> pitti: help is working on my intrepid
[17:51] <pitti> seb128: if it just displays the help in the default web browser instead of its own webkit plugin help browser, that's accetpable IMHO
[17:51] <pitti>  gimp-help |    2.4.1-1 |      intrepid | source
[17:51] <seb128> pitti: well, using the gimp menu entry opens the help browser
[17:52] <pitti> "The GIMP user manual is not installed on your computer."
[17:52] <seb128> pitti: sudo apt-get install install gimp-help-de?
[17:52] <pitti> ii  gimp-help-common      2.4.1-1               Data files for the GIMP documentation
[17:52] <pitti> ii  gimp-help-en          2.4.1-1               Documentation for the GIMP (English)
[17:53] <pitti> and if I start it with an english locale, it doesn't work either
[17:53] <pitti> seb128: I'll try installing -de
[17:53] <seb128> pitti: I've gimp-help-fr and it's working
[17:53] <seb128> pitti: gimp-help-en for an english local I guess
[17:54] <pitti> that's what I have installed
[17:54] <pitti> seb128: do you have 2.6.something from a magical source?
[17:54] <pitti> ah, indeed, -de works
[17:54] <seb128> pitti: no, I've the intrepid version
[17:54] <pitti> seb128: ok, merci
[17:54] <pitti> that's good for testing
[17:55] <seb128> pitti: you want to build without the help browser to space CD space?
[17:55] <pitti> considering it if it doesn't break help completely
[17:55] <pitti> if it appears in the standard browser isntead, that's fine
[17:55] <seb128> pitti: the standard browser will not have index, etc
[17:55] <pitti> we are running out of langpacks to drop
[17:57] <pitti> file:///usr/share/gimp/2.0/help/de/gimp-help-index.html is the index
[17:57] <seb128> pitti: well that sucks compared to the gimp help browser and the sidebar
[17:58] <pitti> well, *shrug*, other options to bring the CDs back in shape appreciated
[17:58] <pitti> gimp was the reason they exploded after beta, so it's natural to look at it first
[17:58] <seb128> pitti: right, let's be constructive, my rant against the 1 CD limitation will not be useful there ;-)
[17:59] <pitti> no, not for intrepid at least :)
[17:59] <pitti> ar p /var/cache/apt/archives/evolution-common_2.24.0-0ubuntu2_all.deb data.tar.gz | lzma -9 > /tmp/data.tar.lzma doesn't help either (for the alternates)
[17:59] <seb128> pitti: easy target is to split the evolution documentation translations
[17:59] <pitti> and all the identical help files are already symlinked
[18:00] <pitti> and make them depends of language-support-translations-*
[18:00] <seb128> right
[18:01] <pitti> if we can get some more space, we could even add a couple of langpacks, that would certainly be great
[18:02] <pitti> /usr/share/gnome/help is 171 MB, uuh
[18:02] <seb128> pitti: I hate having to drop translations, it makes the liveCD and shipit CD pointless for many users
[18:02] <pitti> seb128: right, that's why I'm so eager to keep some langpacks :)
[18:03] <pitti> but for now the more urgent goal is to get them below 700 MB again first
[18:04]  * pitti will be off for an hour while gimp is building
[18:04] <seb128> pitti: I guess opening /usr/share/gimp/2.0/help/<locale>/index.html in $webbrowser would be alright
[18:05] <seb128> pitti: maybe having libwebkit as a suggest or recommends not installed but the help browser built and try to figure at runtime if webkit is available or not
[18:05] <seb128> pitti: if it's not available use $webbrowser
[18:06] <seb128> that's libwebkit taking the space, not the gimp help browser binary
[18:06] <seb128> pitti: see you later
[18:21] <crevette> asac: around?
[18:24] <asac> crevette: no :-P
[18:25] <crevette> hey asac, just a small question
[18:26] <crevette> As an user of epiphany, I'm still ennoyed by the SSL certificate issue, and moreover epiphany doesn't provide automatically the url to get the certificate
[18:26] <crevette> could it be an easy for someone who doesn't know the xul / moz code ?
[18:26] <crevette> <- easy fix
[18:28] <asac> no
[18:28] <asac> crevette: you need to debug this. the call that would automatically set the hostname is lost somewhere in the javascript engine
[18:28] <asac> apparently because some context object either is missing in the first place or is lost somewhere on its road
[18:28] <crevette> asac: ah yeah :/
[18:29] <crevette> asac: it was reported upstream I assume?
[18:29] <asac> crevette: the other option is to introduce the old xulrunner code.
[18:29] <asac> but that isnt a real option
[18:34] <james_w> seb128: hey, does bug 280715 have your ACK for a freeze exception?
[18:35] <crevette> hey james_w
[18:35] <seb128> james_w: yes
[18:35] <crevette> I'm Baptiste
[18:35] <crevette> seb128: I've seen that nemiver is stll an old version, is it still possible to update it ?
[18:36] <james_w> hey crevette
[18:36] <james_w> crevette: I don't have bluetooth to test, I assume you have tested that part well?
[18:36] <seb128> crevette: I though I already told you that but if somebody is wanting to do the update or test the current debian version it can be updated
[18:36] <crevette> seb128: ah don't remember
[18:37] <crevette> james_w: I asked for testing my ppa package, and didn't had a lot of feedback
[18:37] <crevette> Webdav should work okay, as there was not a lot of activity on the code
[18:38] <crevette> I'm still unable to test BlueZ 4
[18:38] <crevette> I need to figure why
[18:38] <james_w> crevette: ok, I'll review the changes and then we can talk testing
[18:39] <crevette> ah thanks, I hope you speak louder than me
[18:39] <crevette> james_w: there was so much changes in the BlueZ world lately, taht I hope all works
[18:40] <james_w> yeah, that's my concern, but I expect it's more likely to work better with the upload than without, we should just try and get some testing first
[18:41] <crevette> james_w: that's my point too
[18:41] <crevette> at least we have the code for BlueZ 4.x
[18:53] <seb128> ok, enough work for now, have a nice weekend everybody
[23:16] <saxonjf> anyone here?
[23:50] <nxvl> has been a change on the way compiz works in ubuntu?
[23:50] <nxvl> i've no plugins, it doesn't work


[12:00] <cjwatson> oh 'eck, I'm supposed to be the DMB chair this week
[12:00] <cjwatson> bdrung,cody-somerville,persia,geser,soren: roll call
[12:00] <cjwatson> stgraber sent his apologies
[12:01] <cjwatson> poolie: just rounding folks up
[12:01] <poolie> ok, thanks
[12:01]  * barry waves
[12:02]  * geser is "half" here (I'm at work)
[12:02]  * cjwatson tries to get the Canonical holiday calendar to load
[12:03] <cjwatson> if we can't manage quorum I'd rather know early so that poolie can go to sleep
[12:03] <poolie> thanks :)
[12:03] <cjwatson> oh, soren said he'd be on holiday
[12:04] <cjwatson> come ON, canonicaladmin
[12:04] <poolie> heh :)
[12:04] <barry> indeed, it was pretty slow last week
[12:04] <bdrung> i am there now
[12:05] <cjwatson> Cody can't usually make these times, it's too early in the S
[12:05] <cjwatson> US
[12:06] <cjwatson> so I think this only works if persia happens to be around
[12:06] <barry> cjwatson: 7am's not too early :)
[12:06] <cjwatson> it is for him :)
[12:06] <cjwatson> 9pm in .jp
[12:06] <bdrung> 7 am would be way to early for me, too
[12:07]  * barry too w/o a kid to get to school :)
[12:07] <cjwatson> ah, and Cody's on holiday today anyway
[12:07] <cjwatson> Emmet's not known to be on holiday, but if he's not around by now, I'm not sure he will be
[12:07] <cjwatson> I'll wait until :10 and then declare this meeting cancelled if we aren't quorate
[12:08] <poolie> perhaps, in the event we don't reach quorum, people who are here could give some nonbinding opinions on my applications
[12:08] <poolie> *application
[12:08] <poolie> or, guidance as to what to do
[12:09] <cjwatson> I already made some comments, and said last time:
[12:09] <cjwatson> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/12/06/%23ubuntu-meeting.txt:[20:38] <cjwatson> I have no complaints or questions but I know some people like to talk to applicants in person
[12:09] <cjwatson> bdrung,geser: would either of you like to comment on any of the applications before us?
[12:09] <cjwatson> that's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MartinPool/DeveloperApplication, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BarryWarsaw/MyApplication, and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AngelAbad/MOTUApplication
[12:10] <bdrung> yes
[12:11] <geser> poolie: do you expect more person to apply for bzr (and related) upload rights? so cjwatson should make a bzr packageset
[12:11] <poolie> actually yes, that seems to make sense
[12:11] <poolie> there is a set of bzr and closely-related packages that are likely to be uploaded together
[12:12] <cjwatson> maxb comes to mind
[12:12] <cjwatson> also jelmer
[12:12] <poolie> lifeless
[12:12] <poolie> and, perhaps other people in future
[12:12]  * jelmer waves
[12:12] <cjwatson> yes
[12:13] <poolie> i guess lifeless and james are(?) already core devs, so this would be redundant
[12:13] <cjwatson> lifeless is already motu but not core-dev
[12:13] <jelmer> cjwatson: I've actually been meaning to apply for PerPackageUploader-ship but haven't finished my application yet.
[12:13] <cjwatson> james_w is a core-dev, yes
[12:13] <cjwatson> but with a reasonably plausible team of four+ that would certainly be worth creating a package set
[12:14] <cjwatson> I think that also perhaps makes poolie's application simpler; he doesn't have upload history on all the packages, but they do form part of a coherent theme
[12:14] <poolie> the main thing i want to do with this is to propose MinorReleaseException candidates for a SRU
[12:14] <geser> poolie: how much involved are you in packaging bzr? I ask because LP shows only one sponsored bzr upload for you and the debian/changelog doesn't mention you
[12:15] <poolie> at the moment, we do stable releases that are supposed to be suitable for getting in to Ubuntu updates but they seem to be stalling
[12:15] <poolie> geser: i have done packaging for it into the ppa in the past
[12:16] <poolie> most of the time either maxb or jelmer has uploaded into debian (since they are, iiuc, dd's), and it's flowed from there
[12:17] <geser> would having you PPU upload right change the workflow much (first to Debian and then sync to Ubuntu)?
[12:18] <poolie> i think the particular thing it would change is that i could execute step 4 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure
[12:18] <poolie> ie uploading to -proposed
[12:20] <geser> do the PPA packages differ much from the "official" ones? (I'm trying to judge your packaging skills)
[12:21] <geser> cjwatson: would you need to also create bzr package sets for the released Ubuntu versions (if it's possible) to allow poolie to upload to -proposed?
[12:22] <poolie> geser: no, they normally track pretty closely
[12:22] <cjwatson> I think so, and yes it's possible
[12:22] <cjwatson> albeit unpleasantly manual
[12:22] <poolie> as i said on my application, most of what i've contributed to debian and ubuntu has not been packaging-specific work
[12:23] <poolie> i don't know if that's just a kind of blindness on my part, or just that i tend to fix bugs that are in the source itself not in packaging-
[12:23] <poolie> i'm very happy with getting review/mentorship/whatever and taking things carefully
[12:23] <poolie> it just seems to me that doing that within the context of PPU may flow more easily than just asking on the bug
[12:23] <poolie> which does not seem to be working very well atm
[12:25] <bdrung> poolie: are you member of the Debian Bazaar Maintainers team?
[12:25] <poolie> no
[12:25] <poolie> i'm not a dd (i'm not sure if that's a necessary condition)
[12:26] <jelmer> poolie: it's not necessary, we'd be happy to have you as a member
[12:26] <poolie> ah ok
[12:26] <poolie> what should i do?
[12:27] <bdrung> poolie: as member you gain commit access. then you can commit your changes and once a package is ready for upload, you can ask to review and upload
[12:28] <jelmer> poolie: Create an account on Alioth (http://alioth.debian.org/) and request to join the team at https://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-bazaar/
[12:29] <poolie> ok, i'll do that
[12:30] <cjwatson> poolie: as a general rule what times suit you?  rather than keeping you up again I think we should try to arrange a special meeting
[12:30] <cjwatson> given the timezone difficulty
[12:32] <poolie> i'm normally awake/online-ish from about 0800 to 1900 in utc+11
[12:32] <poolie> up until about this time of day is reasonable; after midnight (+30m from now) tends to mess up the next day
[12:33] <cjwatson> so 2100-0800 UTC.  I think we'd want to aim for either end of that for maximum board-member coverage
[12:33] <bdrung> cjohnston: 0800 UTC is better than 2100 UTC?
[12:34] <geser> tab-fail :)
[12:34] <bdrung> damn, tab completion
[12:34] <poolie> 0800utc is fine with me
[12:34] <cjwatson> bdrung: possibly, I was just looking up the results from the last time I asked people
[12:34] <barry> poolie: thanks for the endorsement!
[12:34] <poolie> you're welcome
[12:35] <bdrung> cjwatson: i prefer 2100 - 2300 UTC
[12:35] <cjwatson> 0800 would lose cody-somerville and I think stgraber too
[12:35] <cjwatson> I could make it, I imagine everyone else in Europe could, it's probably OK for persia too
[12:36] <cjwatson> 2100 is presumably good for cody-somerville and stgraber, I can make it at least on some days, bdrung can, not sure about persia as it's 0600 there, soren said he could make that time range before
[12:36] <geser> 2100 - 2300 UTC suit me much better than 0800 UTC as I'm usually awake till 0000 UTC
[12:36] <cjwatson> so I agree, 2100 UTC seems better on average
[12:36] <poolie> that's even easier for me
[12:37] <cjwatson> poolie: if you could send a mail to developer-membership-board@ suggesting that time and some days in the new year, then, that would be great
[12:37] <poolie> i could do it tomorrow, or the day after, or otherwise the new year
[12:37] <cjwatson> and we can get things sorted out
[12:37] <cjwatson> I suspect holidays will intervene if we try to do it this year, unfortunately
[12:37] <poolie> ok
[12:38] <geser> cjwatson: I guess a "python" package set (for barry) would be a management nightmare, right?
[12:38] <poolie> do the board members who are present feel this is basically on track to be approved?
[12:38] <cjwatson> I suspect so
[12:39] <geser> poolie: I'm not fully decided yet, I'd prefer to see your name mentioned more often in debian/changelog (or sponsored Ubuntu uploads)
[12:39] <barry> geser: i made such a suggestion a month or so ago, but didn't get much response on it, so i gathered it wasn't a popular suggestions ;)
[12:39] <cjwatson> I can't speak for everyone else; constructed as a package set, I think it has a good chance
[12:39] <bdrung> poolie: i have a little concern if you have enough packaging experience.
[12:41] <poolie> ok, that's useful, i can work towards making sure that does show up more often
[12:42] <bdrung> poolie: your name in debian/changelog and your name as Uploader (for packages maintained in Debian) are a sign for packaging skills
[12:42] <cjwatson> I would say that the bzr packaging is not generally particularly complicated, and I'm more concerned about general level-of-caring / ability to deal with bugs; given that poolie created bzr I'm not sure there's anyone more able to meet those criteria
[12:44] <cjwatson> but I realise I probably focus less on upload history than other people here
[12:44] <poolie> i guess it's not for me in this situation to tell you how to review people
[12:44] <cjwatson> does anyone have any comments on barry's application?
[12:44] <poolie> but, when i grant access, i tend to go a lot more by "not likely to do anything rash/malicious"
[12:46] <geser> barry: I'm with micahg's comment that 26 uploads (which are mostly python related) are a very few for a "core-dev"
[12:46] <bdrung> re barry: i like to see one step before becoming core-dev. a python set would seams to be the right thing for me.
[12:46] <cjwatson> geser: *blink*
[12:47] <cjwatson> bdrung: I'm not prepared to manage a python set
[12:47] <cjwatson> very many of our present core-devs had fewer than 26 uploads before joining
[12:47] <geser> cjwatson: upload history is often a good source for judging packaging skills (getting mention in debian/changelog an other)
[12:47] <cjwatson> but it's not the only one, and it's not even necessarily the most important one
[12:48] <cjwatson> we should not laser-focus on it
[12:48] <barry> i've had a ton of ppa uploads, though i tend to keep them pruned over time
[12:48] <barry> agreed that i've been python focused, but that kind of makes sense given my background and the ongoing py27 transition :)  i do plan on diversifying once that gets more stable
[12:50] <barry> geser: but i get that more, and different, experience can't hurt my application.  thanks
[12:50] <bdrung> barry: re python: i am missing a policy document for what is recommended.
[12:51] <barry> bdrung: sorry, i don't understand
[12:52] <bdrung> barry: we want to move to dh_python2 with ubuntu-dev-tools. i was searching for documentation what needs to be put into d/control
[12:53] <barry> bdrung: ah. yes, we do need to update the debian python policy for that iirc.  i can work with debian-python to get that in.  there's a number of places that i think need updating to discuss/promote dh_python2
[12:55] <bdrung> barry: for example: should we use XS-Python-Version, XB-Python-Version, X-Python-Version? on which package do we have to depend if we want to use dh_python2?
[12:56]  * tumbleweed sticks his nose in
[12:56] <tumbleweed> bdrung: we also need some lintian checks for those at some point...
[12:56] <barry> x-python-version is recommended, and debhelper (>= 7.0.50~) is i believe the necessary dependency
[12:56] <tumbleweed> bdrung: there are also versioned dependancy requirements on python(-all)
[12:56] <tumbleweed> err, barry
[12:57] <barry> right (i was assuming that, but you know what that say about "assuming" :)
[12:57] <bdrung> it would be nice to have that in the python policy
[12:57] <barry> bdrung: totally agreed
[12:57] <barry> (it's on my todo list now)
[12:59] <geser> cjwatson: I try to not focus on upload history alone, but in barry's case the endorsements are also mostly python related (and few, so I don't have much data for judgement)
[12:59] <cjwatson> OK.  I'm going to call it a day here since we can't decide anything anyway, but I encourage people to continue these conversations on other channels
[12:59] <cjwatson> geser: that doesn't bother me for core-dev.  it's broad enough.
[13:01] <bdrung> cjwatson: for MOTUs we want to see a full range of activities like sync requests, merges, SRUs, ..., but for core-dev a specific knowledge is enough?
[13:02] <cjwatson> bdrung: it's not that specific
[13:02] <cjwatson> anyway, I give up.  it's obviously the DMB's desire that it be impossible to gain core-dev.
[13:02] <geser> cjwatson: before you leave, we should call for new DMB candidates (with christmas and vacations now)
[13:02] <cjwatson> this is exceptionally frustrating for me.
[13:03] <cjwatson> I don't think I would have bothered applying for core-dev under the current system.
[13:03] <poolie> bdrung, geser: may i ask you if, considering barry's application, you think it's very likely that he will make either malicious or careless changes to Ubuntu?
[13:03] <poolie> (and if so, what kind of situation you'd fear might happen)
[13:04] <bdrung> cjwatson: Things are never as bad as they seem (or as we say in German: Es wird nichts so heiß gegessen, wie es gekocht wird)
[13:05] <cjwatson> bdrung: this has been going on for far too long
[13:05] <cjwatson> it has been frustrating me for a long time
[13:05] <cjwatson> I've seen too many developers wasting time for months on end because our process is just too bureaucratic and scary
[13:05] <cjwatson> so they never bother applying
[13:06] <cjwatson> too much great talent going to waste
[13:06] <bdrung> cjwatson: do we have some guidelines listing the criteria for getting upload rights?
[13:06] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers is the best we have
[13:07] <tumbleweed> poolie: I've seen barry make one or two common mistakes all (new?) debian/ubuntu developers make (i.e. not closing bugs in changelogs, poor version number choices). Not exactly serious stuff, just things that get less likely with packaging experience. I'm not *worried* about him as a core-dev, though.
[13:07] <poolie> so, if he was a core dev, he would probably make some minor or common mistakes
[13:08] <poolie> he would probably do more packaging and thereby accumulate experience faster?
[13:08] <geser> cjwatson: do you feel that we require to much "proof" of experience instead of relying more on endorsements?
[13:09] <barry> tumbleweed: agreed. one of the things i'm interested in is helping to make our tools better so those kinds of common mistakes don't happen. e.g. the syntax for bug closing is pretty strict, a typo will screw it up
[13:09] <cjwatson> I think we focus on the wrong kinds of experience
[13:09] <tumbleweed> poolie: probably, but having someone review your uploads means you are less likely to get into bad habits
[13:09] <cjwatson> sure, poolie doesn't have many uploads.  but look how much experience he has with bzr, the centre of the proposed package set in question
[13:10] <cjwatson> and for that matter barry's a stalwart of the upstream python community and has been for a long time
[13:10] <geser> cjwatson: we should focus more on the communication skills ? (e.g. asking on IRC or mailings lists if one has doubts about a change?)
[13:10] <barry> i'm also involved w/dholbach's efforts at a new packaging guide.  our current set of wiki guidelines are fairly disjoint, and oddly too much of the wrong kind of detail
[13:10] <cjwatson> in those cases I think we really just need to make sure they aren't hopelessly confused and aren't likely to screw things up too badly.  the fact that they're experienced developers should count for a lot more.
[13:10] <poolie> tumbleweed: so the concern behind that is that if someone has core-dev membership or whatever, they will never get reviews, or never seek mentorship?
[13:11] <poolie> (that may well be empirically true, for all i know; i'm just trying to make the assumptions explicit)
[13:11] <cjwatson> any experienced upstream developer is going to care about the state of the software and is likely to be mature enough to ask for help if they need t
[13:11] <cjwatson> *it
[13:11] <cjwatson> our current practice essentially says "we don't want upstream developers to get involved"
[13:11] <cjwatson> that may not be the intent but that's the effect
[13:11] <cjwatson> because we don't bother crediting that kind of work
[13:12] <poolie> geser: in my experience as a developer, if somebody has a pattern of changing things _without_ communicating or asking
[13:12] <poolie> especially when they should have known to ask
[13:12] <cjwatson> and this depresses me because those are the sorts of people we need more of in the Ubuntu community
[13:12] <geser> is packaging really that comparable with upstream development?
[13:12] <tumbleweed> poolie: it is a worry I have when I endorse people who I haven't seen ask for help. But I think enough people follow -changes and will question thigs.
[13:12] <poolie> that's a huge red flag - in fact pretty much the most important one
[13:12] <cjwatson> so we develop a self-congratulating community of people who know how to sync and merge stuff
[13:12] <cjwatson> which is all well and good but it's not the centre of everything
[13:12] <cjwatson> geser: yes
[13:12] <cjwatson> it's all code
[13:12] <cjwatson> sure, different tools, different details, it does have to be learned
[13:13] <poolie> tumbleweed: right, i think reading -changes is very healthy
[13:13] <cjwatson> but if you look at the packaging diff for your average bzr upload, it's not exactly that hard
[13:13] <cjwatson> if we perpetuate a myth that packaging is hard, people will think it's hard
[13:13] <cjwatson> it's not
[13:13] <poolie> right, months go by with nothing more than a version bump
[13:13] <cjwatson> it's no harder than your average upstream build system
[13:13] <barry> re: -changes, see my recent suggestion about diffs that i think would actually help upstreams feel more comfortable and participate more
[13:14] <maco> cjwatson: and to anyone who's looked at autotools stuff, id say easier...
[13:14] <cjwatson> well, let's not focus on autotools, I find autotools quite natural
[13:14] <geser> perhaps I'm too biases with sometimes seeing upstream fighting with packaging in #ubuntu-motu and #ubuntu-packaging (or when occassionally looking at REVU)
[13:15] <cjwatson> build systems are very much personal preference
[13:17] <bdrung> packaging is simpler than setting up autotools
[13:17] <barry> the interesting thing is that packaging, specifically d/rules is where the crazy wild west of upstream build systems meets the much more controlled environment of deb/ubu building.  deb/ubu packaging is not hard once you learn the basic guidelines, but d/rules can be quite insane
[13:18] <poolie> geser: i think there probably is some amount of fighting through failing to understand
[13:18] <bdrung> barry: having an upstream source that uses three commands to build and install the package, makes d/rules simple
[13:18] <poolie> i've seen some awful packaging into third-party debs or rpms for instance
[13:18] <barry> bdrung: very true.  upstreams don't always cooperate though ;)
[13:18] <poolie> but, what are you going to do about it? keeping upstreams out is not a very scalable answer
[13:19] <barry> otoh, as simple as 90% of upstream python packages are (or can be), i've seen lots of cruft in the d/u packaging of some python packages.
[13:20] <barry> i would *love* to be at a place where 90% of python packages have a 3 line d/rules file, but we're not there yet
[13:20] <bdrung> i recommend to simplify d/rules and create patches to achieve the same and send those patches to upstream.
[13:21] <barry> bdrung: most likely to debian
[13:21] <cjwatson> there is a trap here where we fail to distinguish personal packaging preferences from quality requirements
[13:22] <cjwatson> it's still perfectly acceptable for people to use pre-dh debhelper, for instance
[13:22] <tumbleweed> (and probably more understandable for less experienced packagers)
[13:22] <cjwatson> if they were doing the whole thing by hand without any helper at all?  these days, that most likely indicates a lack of familiarity with the tools
[13:23] <cjwatson> but we certainly aren't at the point where we can say that if you aren't using dh rules.tiny or cdbs then you're Doing It Wrong
[13:23] <barry> it's definitely true that dh has a lot of "magic", which can be good since folks don't need to worry about a lot of detail, but very bad when they do (because it's very undiscoverable)
[13:26] <cjwatson> anyway, I'm going to take my frustration to mail, I think
[13:26] <poolie> i'm going to take mine to bed :)
[13:26] <poolie> i hope you will send that mail though
[13:27] <barry> thanks for the feedback guys
[13:27] <poolie> same here
[13:27] <geser> cjwatson: looks like there is a too big divergence on what to expect from each applicant
[13:32] <angelabad> sorry, but, what about my application?
[13:33] <geser> angelabad: we aren't quorate today
[13:34] <angelabad> geser, ok, so I must wait for the next meeting?
[13:35] <bdrung> angelabad: yes
[13:35] <angelabad> ok, no problem.
[13:37] <geser> angelabad: don't worry, the other have to wait too (it's only an informal discussion)
[13:38] <angelabad> ok, thanks
[18:04] <mdeslaur> hello
[18:06] <kees> jdstrand, sbeattie: meetin' time?
[18:06] <mdeslaur> hiya kees! :P
[18:06]  * mdeslaur is excited
[18:06] <kees>      [0;1;34;94m▌[0m
[18:06] <kees> [0;1;34;94m▞▀▖[0m [0;1;34;94m▞[0m
[18:06] <kees> [0;34m▌[0m [0;34m▌▞[0m
[18:06] <kees> [0;34m▝▀[0m [0;34m▘[0m
[18:06] <jdstrand> sure
[18:07] <mdeslaur> wth is that
[18:07] <mdeslaur> ansi art?
[18:07] <kees> vt100 colors and unicode characters for a 4-line version of   o/
[18:07] <mdeslaur> ah, well that explains why I can't see it :)
[18:08] <jjohansen> hehe, /me neither
[18:09] <kees> uhm, okay, starting.
[18:10] <kees> so, I've been fighting filesystem corruption on my debmirror. I think I'm hitting bugs in either the kernel's LVM, md, or ext4 or in e2fsprogs.
[18:10] <kees> so that's slowing me down.
[18:10] <mdeslaur> kees: that narrows it down :)
[18:10]  * jjohansen hides
[18:10] <jdstrand> kees: way to narrow it down :P
[18:10] <kees> I've still got more auditing work to do.
[18:10] <kees> mdeslaur: yeah
[18:10] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: haha
[18:10] <mdeslaur> hehe
[18:11] <kees> I suspect it's the online resizing, actually.
[18:12] <kees> anyway, my week is kind of open for pre-year-end interrupts.
[18:12] <kees> I'd like to clear the audit queue
[18:12] <kees> but anyway, that's it. mdeslaur is up
[18:13] <mdeslaur> so
[18:13] <mdeslaur> today's my last day before I go on holiday
[18:14] <mdeslaur> I'll be officially back on the 3rd
[18:14] <mdeslaur> but since I suck, I'll probably be here anyway
[18:14] <mdeslaur> today, I did a cve run and will do some triage
[18:14] <mdeslaur> that's it!
[18:14] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: your turn
[18:15] <jdstrand> \o/
[18:15] <jdstrand> so, I start my end of year holiday on thursday, and will be back on the thrid
[18:15] <jdstrand> third
[18:16] <jdstrand> I will take over triage and community from mdeslaur tomorrow and wed
[18:16] <kees> I can do it thu
[18:16] <jdstrand> as for work this week, I am not planning security updates, unless something big comes up
[18:16] <jdstrand> I plan to continue on my apparmor documentation tear
[18:17] <kees> jdstrand: that's rocking, btw :)
[18:17] <jdstrand> and possibly look at the dbus stuff again
[18:17] <jdstrand> kees: thanks!
[18:17] <jdstrand> that's it from me
[18:17] <jdstrand> jjohansen: are you here this week at all?
[18:17] <jjohansen> yeah
[18:18] <jdstrand> jjohansen: cool. I'll likely poke you about some doc updates I'm working on today
[18:18] <jjohansen> sounds good
[18:22] <kees> so, for apache mod_apparmor
[18:22] <jdstrand> yes?
[18:22] <kees> should we try to write upstream tests, qrt tests, or some combo?
[18:23] <mdeslaur> we had talked about writing qrt tests
[18:23] <jdstrand> qrt seems a natural fit since we need apache around to test it
[18:23] <jjohansen> kees: both
[18:23] <kees> the apache-server-running infrastructure exists in qrt, so putting it in upstream would be irritating :)
[18:23] <mdeslaur> maybe upstream tests would be more appropriate...but we would need apache
[18:23] <kees> jjohansen: okay
[18:24] <jdstrand> though, sbeattie mentioned there is some stuff that could be added upstream as well
[18:24] <jjohansen> I think upstream should have some tests but they just don't get launched by default
[18:24] <kees> perhaps start with qrt since it's easier to get up and running and work from there?
[18:24] <jjohansen> and you need apache setup
[18:24] <jjohansen> yes
[18:24] <jdstrand> ah
[18:24] <jdstrand> that would work with qrt anyway-- we just setup apache and then run the upstream tests
[18:25] <jdstrand> kinda like we do for some of the other test suites
[18:26] <jdstrand> that should be added as a WorkItem if it isn't already
[18:26] <jdstrand> I'll add it
[18:28] <kees> okay, thanks everyone!
[18:28] <jdstrand> (added)
[18:28] <mdeslaur> thanks!
[18:28] <jdstrand> thanks kees!


[09:31] <MauroGaspari[m]> Playing with the IRC bridge, so I can write some end user documentation. Don't worry if you see me talking to myself in the next couple of days.
[17:14] -Ubottu[m]:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Jammy 22.04.4] has been updated (20240505)
[17:17] -Ubottu[m]:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Jammy 22.04.4] has been updated (20240505)
[17:49] <AaronRainbolt> Simon Quigley: help
[17:49]  * AaronRainbolt sent a code block: http://localhost:8008/_matrix/media/v3/download/chat.staging.ubuntu.com/GscJzfheCDndPCFDEKRqwVmi
[17:50] <AaronRainbolt> the version that's about to be synced is one Debian revision newer than the one we bootstrapped.
[17:51] <AaronRainbolt> it seems like it should be safe from the changelog, lemme check the code itself
[17:51] <tsimonq2[m]> AaronRainbolt: This is on purpose, no big deal
[17:51] <AaronRainbolt> kk
[17:51] <tsimonq2[m]> go forth and sync 🙂
[17:52] <AaronRainbolt> Also with the tree format of the sync list, I assume I can sync everything under one "node" but then need to wait for them all to build before syncing the next "node"?
[17:52] <AaronRainbolt> for instance I can sync all of:... (full message at <http://localhost:8008/_matrix/media/v3/download/chat.staging.ubuntu.com/RGwniAyvJbEMKTlOjVxKcCTa>)
[17:53] <tsimonq2[m]> Not exactly
[17:53] <AaronRainbolt> probably need to wait for qt6-base to build, then sync everything under it, then sync qt6-serialbus
[17:53] <tsimonq2[m]> Sync qt6-base, wait for it to build and publish in proposed, then start with e.g. qt6-imageformats
[17:53] <tsimonq2[m]> AaronRainbolt: yes same page
[17:54] <AaronRainbolt> kk
[17:54] <AaronRainbolt> alright, sorry to interrupt you, thanks for your help :)
[17:54] <tsimonq2[m]> either way it'll all be depwait 😛 just minimizing builder time taken
[17:54] <tsimonq2[m]> AaronRainbolt: no worries 🙂 thank **you**


[00:59]  * diddledan bounces
[01:08]  * zmoylan-pi applies superglue...
[03:12]  * daftykins watches an amazingstokian bounce down the road atop a bouncy ball
[03:15] <zmoylan-pi> monkey dust springs to mind for some reason... :-)
[03:16] <daftykins> i believe we have a user with that nick in #ubuntu !
[03:17] <daftykins> not online right now though ;)
[03:17] <zmoylan-pi> locked up for some reason... :-P
[03:19] <daftykins> time for a new kernel
[03:22] <zmoylan-pi> just in time for... pie... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jHvjOpRTZY
[03:22] <daftykins> 1.5 pie?
[03:24] <diddledan> I really should sleep
[03:24] <diddledan> -_-
[03:24] <daftykins> yes young man
[03:31] <diddledan> let's commit these changes to git :-)
[03:36] <diddledan> and now to file a pull-request
[03:36] <daftykins> it's all gon' be broken in the morning
[03:36] <daftykins> \o/
[03:37] <diddledan> https://github.com/erming/shout/pull/506
[03:39]  * diddledan rocks your socks
[05:47] <daftykins> heh, the first failed 1TB i left zeroing, it's now got 800 reallocated sectors and 450+ pending
[07:02] <Moodoo> morning all
[07:10] <diplo> Morning all
[07:14] <Moodoo> :)
[09:10] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:15] <Moodoo> morning
[09:15] <brobostigon> morning Moodoo
[09:17] <SuperMatt> http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/130259293751/classic-development-cycle
[09:51] <TwistedLucidity> SuperMatt: That looks like the same art style as the chap who doe's "Simon's Cat"
[09:52] <TwistedLucidity> "doe's"? "doe's"???? I need more coffee......
[10:21] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Thursday, and happy International Coffee Day! 😃  🍵
[10:22] <Myrtti> Also podcast day, apparently
[10:22] <Myrtti> or was it yesterday?
[10:23] <JamesTait> Myrtti, I missed that one.    Eh o!
[10:35] <zmoylan-pi> i can't actually remember mr. blobby song AND am not going to click on a link to it :-)
[10:35] <davmor2> czajkowski: you might of missed the mr blobby song if you think telly tubbies was bad
[10:35] <zmoylan-pi> i did use to use postman pat theme tune as hold music at work and leave people on hold for 10-15 minutes as punishment if they were rude...
[10:36] <czajkowski> no idea of Mr.Blobby
[10:36] <czajkowski> so I'm ok there :)
[10:36] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAIOzM7SsMo
[10:37] <zmoylan-pi> mr. blobby song seems to have been so bad we sucessfully unremembered it
[10:38] <davmor2> Moodoo: ^ you'll like that one too for a trump to startrekking too :)
[10:41] <davmor2> NO SLEEP TILL BEDTIME!
[10:43] <zmoylan-pi> you are feeling sleepy....
[10:44] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: lyrics from the song
[10:54] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:55] <bigcalm> Given a 3rd party apt source, what would make apt-get update 404 on that source when I can wget the files from it?
[10:55] <bigcalm> Problem is, this is happening on a hosted server, not in dev
[11:03] <Laney> bigcalm: try -o Debug::Acquire::http=true
[11:04] <bigcalm> Ta
[11:08] <bigcalm> Laney: is there a way to output that to a file? using > foo.txt didn't include the debug info
[11:09] <Laney> bigcalm: it's probably on stderr, so 2>foo
[11:09] <bigcalm> Ta
[11:12] <bigcalm> It was erring on not finding the gpg key. Looks like my wget line to install the key wasn't good enough
[11:12] <bigcalm> Thanks Laney
[11:17] <bigcalm> Nope, it's still not working. Quite frustrating
[11:22] <bigcalm> Is there a way to tell apt-get to ingnore the 404?
[11:47] <bigcalm> Fixed it with help from coworker: sudo apt-get update -o 'Acquire::http::Proxy=""'
[11:55] <davmor2> bigcalm: why were you not using sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys ?
[11:55] <davmor2> + the key at the end obviously
[12:02] <bigcalm> davmor2: because it's following https://docs.newrelic.com/docs/servers/new-relic-servers-linux/installation-configuration/servers-installation-ubuntu-debian#apt and the key wasn't the actual issue
[12:02] <bigcalm> davmor2: the issue was that it was trying to use a proxy that was getting in the way
[12:04] <davmor2> bigcalm: http://askubuntu.com/questions/7470/how-to-run-sudo-apt-get-update-through-proxy-in-commandline
[12:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: or http://askubuntu.com/questions/257290/configure-proxy-for-apt
[12:06] <bigcalm> I don't know what the proxies are
[12:06] <bigcalm> This has worked, I've moved onto the next task
[15:20] <ujjain> why do Fulham supporters chant about Manchester when they play Norwich?
[15:23] <davmor2> ujjain: everyone hates Manchester
[15:26] <Azelphur> I'm having real fun with my Korean import monitors this round, no communication for 2 weeks (so opened a item not received paypal dispute) now he's making excuses (stuck in customs, there was a Korean holiday), but ignoring my requests for a tracking number
[15:26] <Azelphur> (And paypals requests, amusingly
[15:27] <davmor2> Azelphur: I wonder if they celebrate something similar to Golden week in china where they have nearly 10 days off
[15:28] <Azelphur> nah, they had a holiday 26th through 29th, but that doesn't explain why he didn't reply to me for 2 weeks
[15:30] <popey> is this for those super massive cheap monitors?
[15:30] <Azelphur> yup
[15:46] <diddledan> lol: https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/649611018893684736
[16:47] <diddledan> flaming rockets at http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/
[17:05] <davmor2> so dario g sunchyme complete rip off of dream academe's life in a northern town
[17:06] <davmor2> that's todays interesting musical fact
[17:19] <davmor2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wLQNrr15sA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YTqmMDd3zs :)  You decide :)
[17:26] <diddledan> they are very simular
[17:28] <diddledan> so women are twittering photos of their bra straps right now?
[17:29] <diddledan> under the hashtag of #showyourstrap
[17:32] <popey> yeah
[17:32] <popey> M&S thing for breast cancer awareness
[17:33] <diddledan> bonus is it boosts sales by encouraging people to buy new bras so their strap isn't greyed?
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> are jock straps allowed too?
[17:33] <diddledan> lol
[17:34] <popey> hello MartijnVdS, not seen you for a while, hows it going?
[17:35] <MartijnVdS> popey: Things are well :)
[17:35] <MartijnVdS> Work is very busy these days though
[19:41] <Moodoo> work always gets in the way of things doesn't it
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> yeah
[21:09] <diddledan> o_O https://www.humblebundle.com/monthly
[21:42] <diddledan> :-o drupal8 might go release-candidate at any moment! (it has zero critical issues now)
[21:42] <zmoylan-pi> zero known critical issues :-)
[21:42] <diddledan> lol
[21:43] <diddledan> the tracking of known criticals has been the yardstick of when it goes to release candidate tho
[21:43] <daftykins> :D
[21:43] <zmoylan-pi> it assumes that everyone who finds a critical error reports it
[21:43] <daftykins> 'anywhere between zero and one!'
[21:44] <daftykins> which incidentally is the number of atmospheres the Planet Express ship from Futurama can withstand
[21:44] <diddledan> there's zero criticals for large values of critical
[21:44] <diddledan> zero**
[21:44] <diddledan> large values of zero*
[21:44] <zmoylan-pi> in my last job we used the md.  the bugger could make any software crash.  it was a gift
[21:45] <daftykins> lmao
[21:45] <daftykins> the higher up they get...
[21:46] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: and when the md breaks it you tell him "but it works on my machine" and release anyway
[21:46] <daftykins> huzzah \o/
[21:46] <zmoylan-pi> you'd ask him to test software you'd written and reckoned was bullet proof.  2 minutes later, crash. you'd have to sit and watch what he did to find out as he never remembered
[21:47] <diddledan> yeah see he obviously uses it in a manner that isn't appropriate - it's not that the software was broken, it's that he was using it wrong
[21:47] <zmoylan-pi> a lot of times yes but sometimes software just died when he was sat in front of it and never for anyone else
 nope zmoylan-pi, this screensaver organiser simply doesn't work. <zmoylan-pi> but it's a spreadsheet...
[21:48] <zmoylan-pi> i saw  word processors die when he just typed at random into it
[21:48] <daftykins> must be one of those types with a certain magnetism
[21:49] <zmoylan-pi> he used to be quite competent.  he used to walk people through doing soldering repairs to their cpm computers over the phone.
[21:49] <zmoylan-pi> think about that for a moment
[21:50] <zmoylan-pi> plug in the soldering iron and place it in such a way as to not let the tip touch anything as it will burn
[21:50] <zmoylan-pi> now lets open your computer and resolder the cpu that has cracked soldering joints...
[21:50] <zmoylan-pi> and save me a drive of 3 hours to get there
[21:51] <daftykins> :S
[21:51] <daftykins> sounds painful
[21:51] <zmoylan-pi> i don't think he ever lost a computer that way...
[21:52] <zmoylan-pi> those cpms were very forgiving
[21:54] <diddledan> I really got some catching-up to do - I haven't seen all of series1 of agents of shield yet and season 3 started this week (I think it was this week, aanyway)


[02:00] <jyo> pleia2: Can't have a Ubuntu party without launchpad/LoCo login fun.
[16:05] <pleia2> jyo: hah, right
[17:39] <philipballew> pleia2, We have to find a cool way to sync up our parties this Thursday or something.
[17:42] <philipballew> so me and raevol can show off all the fun we are having.
[17:50] <raevol> :D
[18:18] <philipballew> kdub, you coming to the release meetup this Thursday?
[18:19] <raevol> inquiring minds want to know
[18:19] <kdub> didn't see a ml message, but I'll try, i'll let you know yes or no tomorrow
[18:22] <raevol> :D
[18:24] <kdub> life's been going full steam lately
[19:20] <raevol> kdub: in a good way?
[20:17] <kdub> raevol, oh yeah,good but busy!
[20:29] <raevol> good :)


[21:40] <enyc> hrrm
[21:40] <enyc> Interesting topic == What kernel for 22.04LTS
[21:40] <enyc> kernel.org might have made 5.15 LTS
[21:41] <enyc> but by time 22.04 out that might be considered somewhat old kernel series
[21:41] <enyc> but not clear kernel.org will release a newer by then
[21:41] <enyc> I wonder when Ubuntu consider providing their own LTS-series per-se
[21:41] <enyc> I think thats' happened in past if i'm not mistaken


[01:13] <mup> Bug #1636969 changed: [1.9] Multiple negative spaces constraints given and rejected by MAAS <ci> <jujuqa> <maas-provider> <networking> <juju:Triaged> <MAAS:Invalid> <MAAS 1.9:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1636969>
[06:11] <mup> Bug #1637401 opened: Re-adding virsh chassis to discover new nodes powers down existing nodes <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1637401>
[06:56] <mup> Bug #1637412 opened: machine deploy operation fails if the machine is not allocated <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1637412>
[09:57] <gaurangt> we're facing an issue with MAAS while deploying a charm. The storage disk attached to the VM (sdb) is not getting picked up by the charm. The juju storage list always shows the disk status as pending. Any clues on what could be going wrong here?
[09:57] <gaurangt> the MAAS version we're using is 1.9 and that of juju is 2.0.
[10:23] <brendand> gaurangt, i'm not even sure that is a supported config
[10:23] <brendand> juju 2.0 is supposed to work with maas 2.0 afaik
[10:27] <brendand> gaurangt, juju team confirms that it is *supposed* to work, but that storage detection may be broken (particularly with vms)
[10:31] <gaurangt> brendand: oh ok
[10:33] <gaurangt> brendand: We create a storage pool with a tag and then add that tag in MAAS as well. MAAS correctly identifies the VM and starts it.
[10:33] <brendand> more to the point - neither they nor we test that
[10:33] <gaurangt> But the additional disk which gets attached (sda is used for OS install and sdb is supposed to be detected by charm), but the juju storage status always comes as pending
[10:37] <gaurangt> brendand: should we give a try with maas 2.0? will it work ?
[10:39] <brendand> gaurangt, not sure
[11:16] <gaurangt> brendand: sorry, I was disconnected.  Any idea if the juju storage feature would work on MAAS with KVM?
[11:16] <brendand> gaurangt, with 2.0?
[11:17] <brendand> gaurangt, not positive
[11:17] <gaurangt> brendand: yes
[11:17] <brendand> gaurangt, but it might
[11:17] <gaurangt> brendand: oh ok, let me give a try
[11:18] <gaurangt> brendand: also, one other issue is, MAAS deployment times out for xenial image. cloud-init takes a lot of time upgrading the kernel and it times out after 40 mins.
[11:18] <gaurangt> anything I'm missing?
[12:44] <GA> Hi, I posted this question last evening, and had to disconnet (sorry). It's about mounting an NFS share vie the preseed file:
[12:46] <GA> I'm trying to pass this:  mount_data: ["curtin", "in-target", "--", "sh", "-c", "mount", "<IP_ADDRESS>:", "/data", "/data"] , however, depends on what is the exact syntax, the deployment either fails, or finished - but the share is not mounted.
[12:46] <GA> any input is most welcome :)
[14:25] <roaksoax> GA: what you doing there is try to mount an nfs share on the "chroot"
[14:25] <roaksoax> GA: so if, say, that succeeds, when the machine reboots the nfs share would not be mounted
[14:25] <roaksoax> GA: is that what you trying to achieve?
[14:26] <GA> roaksoax: the goal is to have a share from a "head node" (this is going to be a test HPC cluster) onto the "compute nodes", it does not have have to be in chroot.
[14:27] <roaksoax> GA: right, but what I mean is that during the installation process of MAAS, we copy the installation image onto the disk and then chroot into it to do installation stuff
[14:27] <GA> and I'd like to have this share mounted w/o manual intervation, i.e have the image installed and upon boot have the /data share mounted on all "compute nodes"
[14:27] <roaksoax> GA: yeah, so what you are doing there is basically just mounting from NFS in a chroot during the installation process
[14:28] <GA> roaksoax: correct
[14:28] <roaksoax> GA: when the installation finishes, and the machine reboots into the installed OS disk, your mount share wont be there
[14:28] <roaksoax> GA: because you mounted it ephemerally
[14:28] <GA> roaksoax: I see.
[14:29] <GA> roaksoax: to test - I placed a simple script with "echo test > /tmp/test.file" and well.. it was not there when rebooted, so - I assume it's for the same reason.
[14:32] <roaksoax> GA: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23392952/
[14:33] <roaksoax> GA: you could do something like the above
[14:33] <roaksoax> GA: so that after the mahcine finishes install and rebots
[14:33] <roaksoax> reboots*
[14:33] <roaksoax> GA: the NFS share should/will be mounted
[14:34] <roaksoax> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23392954/
[15:00] <GA> roaksoax: it's certainly amuzing, your solution was offered here by a co-worker.. oh well, I won't go there. :)
[15:00] <roaksoax> :)
[15:01] <GA> roaksoax: I will give it a try, thank you.
[15:10] <roaksoax> np!
[16:13] <mup> Bug #1637570 opened: [2.1] Cavium ThunderX system with 128GigB of memory is reported as having 125.9GigB of memory in MAAS after commissioning <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1637570>