[00:14] <Palintheus> I'm trying to understand why the stance on this bug is "deal with it" anyone provide some insight? bug 173890
[00:19] <LaserJock> Palintheus: in what way?
[00:19] <Palintheus> "Either way, anyone wanting to use the Ubuntu package is going to have to put up with the periodic breakage. So my point is that they can either wait for the package to go through the update process, or install it themselves."
[00:20] <Palintheus> if someone happens to install flash during one of the times it breaks they could dump ubuntu right there, it seems that the wait or do it yourself attitude shouldn't be the right thing.
[00:20] <LaserJock> Palintheus: that's just one person's opinion though, in that comment
[00:21] <LaserJock> Palintheus: I wouldn't take that as the "stance"
[00:21] <Palintheus> the fact that it's not changed and marked fix released, yet it's currently broken makes me think different
[00:21] <Palintheus> the package was just updated with a new md5sum, not really a fix imho
[00:21] <LaserJock> Palintheus: why would you think that?
[00:22] <Palintheus> because I'm talking to someone right now who is having the issue and is pretty irritated about it after they found that bug
[00:22] <LaserJock> Palintheus: sure, no doubt
[00:22] <LaserJock> it's a very irritating bug
[00:22]  * Hobbsee mutters about propriatory software, and being annoying by default.
[00:22] <Palintheus> Ok.
[00:23] <LaserJock> very irritating to those of use who've had to deal with it
[00:23] <wharp> yes it is, it's a deal-breaker for a new user trying ubuntu
[00:23] <LaserJock> but as far as I know there isn't a really good solution outside of Adobe naming their files differently
[00:23] <LaserJock> which I *think* somebody was talking to them about
[00:24] <Palintheus> or give the user the option to ignore the warning
[00:24] <Palintheus> not as good, but a warning, you could break it do you still want to install
[00:25] <wharp> it's almost a dealbreaker for me and I've used ubuntu for 2+ years
[00:25] <wharp> I just decided to upgrade from hardy to intrepid and now I've got no flash
[00:25] <LaserJock> it's not particularly hard to install
[00:25] <wharp> that's not the point though
[00:26] <wharp> for a new user trying ubuntu the first time it would be
[00:26] <LaserJock> I realize that
[00:26] <LaserJock> but it's not as if you can't get the software period
[00:26] <wharp> right
[00:26] <Palintheus> LaserJock: but then does it get updated with normal updates, and is it easy to switch to the deb?
[00:26] <wharp> but more important than that is getting the issue resolved for other users
[00:26] <LaserJock> heaven forbid you have to go to Adobe to get their software
[00:26] <wharp> not fixing it for myself
[00:26] <maco> Palintheus: no, and yes
[00:26] <maco> in that order
[00:26] <Palintheus> I figured ;)
[00:26] <maco> flash plugins never get auto-updated on $other_os either though
[00:27]  * maco waits for libswfdec to get even more awesomer
[00:27] <Palintheus> ok.
[00:27] <wharp> yeah, I tried using gnash, which just didn't work period
[00:27] <Palintheus> whether or not any other OS works the same way really isn't the issue though.
[00:28] <wharp> right, if Ubuntu wants to be noob-ready, this sort of thing can't happen
[00:28] <LaserJock> it does get a little irritating to get flamed when a service that other OSes don't provide breaks for a bit
[00:28] <LaserJock> we push things through about as quickly as we can
[00:29] <LaserJock> the breakage time sucks, no doubt, and it would be nice to figure out a better way to deal with it
[00:29] <Palintheus> wait what? I never "flamed" because of what another OS does that Ubuntu doesn't
[00:29] <maco> Palintheus: not you, others
[00:30] <LaserJock> yeah
[00:30] <maco> every time this happens
[00:30]  * Hobbsee wondesr why adobe doesn't bother getting their software into the partner repository
[00:30] <LaserJock> I've personally been pretty well jumped, even as I was pushing through an emergency update
[00:30] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: it is
[00:30] <LaserJock> there are two versions of flash in Ubuntu
[00:30] <Hobbsee> oh, is it?
[00:30] <wharp> but, if we want to be better or as good as the rest, jsut because other OSes dont' have it shouldn't be relevant
[00:30] <Palintheus> ok, back to my original question...if it's so irritating why mark the bug fixed, when people see that and they are experiancing the issue I'm sure they get irritated
[00:30] <Hobbsee> oh well, why is it still in multiverse then?
[00:31] <maco> Palintheus: it was fixed last time
[00:31] <Hobbsee> Palintheus: because it's installable again now.
[00:31] <Palintheus> wharp: is it?
[00:31] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: because it was in Multiverse first?
[00:31] <wharp> well how do we go about getting the underlying issue fixed, not just the symptoms
[00:31] <maco> Palintheus: it breaks each time they change it.  so whichever time that bug was filed, the package was updated, and yay it was fixed. and then adobe re-broke it.
[00:31] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: doesn't mean that it needs to stay there, though
[00:32] <LaserJock> wharp: I think by pushing Adobe
[00:32] <Hobbsee> wharp: get people to use the partner repository, and get it from there, where adobe and canonical people can get it uploaded directly.
[00:32] <maco> that whole "convince adobe to change the darned name" idea
[00:32] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: yikes, I don't know that
[00:32] <LaserJock> *about that
[00:32] <maco> LaserJock: why?
[00:32] <LaserJock> so far we've been faster than partner I believe
[00:32] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: well, it depends if partner got added by default, or something.
[00:32] <maco> isnt that why the partner repo exists?
[00:32] <maco> wait, really?
[00:32] <LaserJock> we maintain Flash better than Canonical/Adobe I believe
[00:33] <Hobbsee> well, then poke the partner people.  They've got paid people to maintain it, they should maintain it.
[00:33] <maco> adobe makes their own debs, dont they?
[00:33] <LaserJock> yep
[00:33] <maco> wouldnt it just be a matter of dropping their deb into partner?
[00:33] <LaserJock> yep
[00:33] <LaserJock> we're faster ;-)
[00:33] <Hobbsee> maco: ubuntu doesn't take binaries, afaik.
[00:33] <maco> so people might get it a few days later, but there wouldnt be those few days of breakage in between?
[00:33] <Hobbsee> but it might be a source pulling the binaries, or...
[00:34] <maco> Hobbsee: even for partner? you sure?
[00:34] <LaserJock> it might, I can't remember
[00:34] <LaserJock> look at the .deb size
[00:35] <LaserJock> nah
[00:35] <LaserJock> it's the full thing
[00:35] <LaserJock> not like flashplugin-nonfree
[00:35] <Hobbsee> maco: i would expect so
[00:35] <Hobbsee> maco: id' be surprised if soyuz actually handled binaries uploaded, for anything.
[00:35] <LaserJock> yeah
[00:36] <LaserJock> in any case
[00:36] <LaserJock> it would be useful to find out if talks with Adobe ended up anywhere
[00:36] <maco> Hobbsee: i didnt think the partner repo was done with soyuz. i thought they were just ftp'd up.
[00:36] <LaserJock> it *seemed* to me that they were fairly accomidating, but perhaps that got nixed
[00:36] <maco> LaserJock: they were at least accomodating to have debs now instead of only rpms
[00:37] <Palintheus> OK, then if it's in partner wouldn't it be worth it to delay the package a few days (or is it longer than that) rather than have the breakage?
[00:37] <Hobbsee> maco: new binaries from partner hit the new queue, so i don't think so.
[00:37] <LaserJock> Palintheus: there is *no* breakage if you use partner
[00:37] <LaserJock> Palintheus: in the partner repo the full binary is distributed
[00:38] <LaserJock> it doesn't use the same mechanism that flashplugin-nonfree uses to download from Adobe and install
[00:38] <wharp> but, partner is not how everyone says to install it, and most people dont' have it enabled, or know about it
[00:38] <LaserJock> yep
[00:38] <LaserJock> so I'd start enouraging people to use it, that's what it's there for
[00:38] <Palintheus> ok then if you have partner and multiverse enabled which repo does it pull from/
[00:38] <LaserJock> and eventually we can phase out flashplugin-nonfree
[00:38] <Palintheus> or are they named differently
[00:38] <LaserJock> Palintheus: they have different names
[00:39] <LaserJock> partner is adobe-flashplugin
[00:39] <LaserJock> we *could* drop flashplugin-nonfree altogether and make people use partner
[00:39] <LaserJock> it's kinda "harsh" but would get people moved over
[00:39] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: why harsh?
[00:40] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: although handling upgrades would be a good idea
[00:40] <LaserJock> harsh in the sense that all those people out there reading "install flash by ..."
[00:40] <wharp> LaserJock: yeah, that does sound a bit harsh, but it sounds like the best idea to me
[00:40] <LaserJock> will get dropped
[00:40] <Hobbsee> update the documentation, then
[00:40] <wharp> true, but articles get updated all the time
[00:41] <Hobbsee> replace the package by "warning, this is now somewhere else, you need to use these steps"
[00:41] <wharp> its not jsut documentation, but hundreds of blog posts and articles across the web
[00:41] <Hobbsee> in a gui
[00:41] <LaserJock> seems like last time I talked about this crimsun had a reason not to do it, but I could be remembering wrong
[00:41] <wharp> that's what I was going to suggest Hobbsee but didn't know if that was possible
[00:41] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: hmmm, not sure about that
[00:41] <Hobbsee> wharp: can't see why not, as such.  firefox and such do information bubbles.
[00:42] <LaserJock> I can imagine getting a whole lot of "darn it I installed it and restarte firefox but now flash, WTF?!!"
[00:42] <wharp> should a bug be filed on this?
[00:43] <maco> LaserJock: is it possible to make flashplugin-nonfree a dummy package that enables partner and pulls in adobe-flashplugin?
[00:43] <maco> wharp: ill go post to my blog that adobe-flashplugin is the "right" way
[00:43] <LaserJock> I don't know that you can run apt from a postinst
[00:43] <Palintheus> LaserJock: if there is a way to inform people when installing that the package has moved I don't see it being as big of an issue as that
[00:44] <maco> LaserJock: shall i grab him and make him read my screen to respond? his X is hosed right now.
[00:44] <LaserJock> maco: sure
[00:44] <LaserJock> maco: I just can't remember what he said, but we went rounds about it I remember
[00:44] <wharp> obviously not enough rounds ;)
[00:46] <maco> no, don't do anything with flashplugin-nonfree
[00:46] <maco> asac and I discussed this at uds
[00:47] <maco> there needs to remain an option for people to use 64-bit Flash alphas with nspluginwrapper
[00:48] <maco> canonical can't ship these alphas in partner until the final release
[00:49] <maco> eventually flashplugin-nonfree will be renamed (upon adobe's strong hint) to something along the lines of adobe-flashplugin-wrapped
[00:49] <Palintheus> what are the chances of flashplugin-nonfree going away and moving to adobe-flashplugin?
[00:50] <maco> %50
[00:50] <Palintheus> k
[00:50] <maco> however, there is no guarantee that the native 64-bit version will ship in time for 9.04
[00:51] <Palintheus> so like wharp asked, what is the best way to handle this from a user like us? a bug, just poking randomly?
[00:51] <maco> (that was crimsun...i'm not that in-the-know)
[00:52] <maco> there's no good way
[00:52] <Palintheus> bah.
[00:52] <wharp> well what's the best of the bad ways
[00:53] <maco> update flashplugin-nonfree (via SRU) again
[00:53] <Palintheus> so file a bug when it breaks, and wait
[00:54] <Palintheus> and just deal with the breakage and hope
[00:54] <maco> eventually flashplugin-nonfree will die (there will be a conflicts/replaces in adobe-flashplugin)
[00:55] <Palintheus> ok, so eventually it will move to partner? not following the terminology
[00:56] <maco> no, adobe-flashplugin will remain in partner and eventually offer native 32- and 64-bit plugins
[00:56] <wharp> what's SRU?
[00:56] <maco> it will C/R what was known as flashplugin-nonfree
[00:57] <Palintheus> ok let me rephrase.
[00:57] <Palintheus> eventually there will only be the package in partner?
[00:57] <maco> flashplugin-nonfree's guts may end up as adobe-flashplugin-wrapped
[00:57] <Palintheus> ok
[00:57] <Palintheus> so if that does happen the original issue will still be ther
[00:57] <Palintheus> e
[00:58] <Palintheus> (md5sum breakage)
[00:58] <wharp> no, the adobe-flashplugin does not download from their servers
[00:58] <maco> Palintheus: if and only if there is a package that explicitly depends on nspluginwrapper that also downloads the plugin
[00:58] <Palintheus> no, if -nonfree moves to adobe-flashplugin-wrapped
[00:59] <maco> the intent in the long term is to have adobe-flashplugin Suggest nspluginwrapper
[00:59] <maco> that way there is no more possibility of md5sum breakage
[01:00] <Palintheus> Ok, so eventually the goal is to get away from the current scheme?
[01:00] <Palintheus> i'm really trying to follow this, but it's hard without knowing the normal process of packages, etc
[01:00] <maco> Palintheus: ys
[01:01] <Palintheus> and it's possible, but not likely to be done by 9.04?
[01:01] <maco> ok, here, it's probably clearer like this: for 9.04, still adobe-flashplugin & flashplugin-nonfree. for 9.10, probably only adobe-flashplugin
[01:02] <Palintheus> awesome, thanks so much for explaining maco
[01:02] <maco> (np. it's crimsun)
[01:03] <wharp> a blog post on this and the plan of action might help, if anyone has a chance
[01:03] <Palintheus> ah, well thanks crimsun ;)
[01:03] <LaserJock> sorry, was afk
[01:03] <LaserJock> maco: thanks for getting ahold of crimsun
[01:04] <maco> np, he's hogging my kitchen table trying to configure his keyboard in evdev
[01:04] <LaserJock> wharp: an SRU is a stable release update
[01:04] <LaserJock> wharp: it's the process by which packages end up in -updates
[01:04] <LaserJock> wharp: it normally takes no fewer than 7 days
[01:04] <maco> wharp: well seeing as we dont knwo the actual timeline yet, i'm hesitant to post on my blog all that crimsun said, but i'll go post about using adobe-flashplugin to avoid those md5 headaches
[01:07] <wharp> maco: gotcha, that makes sense
[01:07] <wharp> LaserJock: thanks!
[01:12] <LaserJock> wharp and Palintheus: the reason it can take time to do the update is because we need to test the new flash version
[01:12] <LaserJock> it's not *just* updating the md5sum and pushing it out the door
[01:14] <Palintheus> which is understandable, and that is why I want to get rid of the breakage, not fix it faster
[01:15] <LaserJock> ... if Adobe would just not use the same file name for different versions ...
[01:16] <Palintheus> I realize that.
[01:18] <LaserJock> I wonder how many fresh installs we must have a day
[01:18] <LaserJock> I'm always amazed how many people hit that bug
[01:18] <wharp> well this wasn't even a fresh install, but an upgrade to intrepid from hardy
[01:18] <wharp> and actually I was looking at another flash bug and the resolution was to reinstall
[01:18] <LaserJock> ah, right
[01:21] <maco> LaserJock: lets please just not have that bug crop up within a week of a release! the screams of agony from the installfests would be heard round the world
[01:23] <LaserJock> maco: not a lot we can do about it at this point
[01:24] <Palintheus> how possible is it to source it grabs from adobe until the new release is put through SRU?
[01:24] <Palintheus> *to cache the source
[01:24] <LaserJock> we can't
[01:25] <LaserJock> well, hang on
[01:25] <LaserJock> you mean cache the source on the users machine?
[01:25] <Palintheus> no, grab it from adobe and host it somewhere static that would avoid the md5sum error util it can be updated
[01:25] <LaserJock> well, we can't do that
[01:25] <LaserJock> that's the whole reason we do it the way we do
[01:25]  * Hobbsee notes that would probably violate adobe's licence.
[01:26] <LaserJock> exactly
[01:26] <Palintheus> ah.
[01:26] <LaserJock> hence why we had to get rid of Acrobat Reader as well
[01:26] <maco> i dont understand a desire for adobe acrobat readr
[01:26] <maco> evince loads in about 1/4 the time
[01:27] <maco> and doesnt have a 3 second lag while you wait for it scroll
[01:27] <LaserJock> acroread is still better for me
[01:27] <LaserJock> I use it much of the time over evince
[01:28] <maco> well ive never actually tested acrobat on linux
[01:28] <LaserJock> serious? :-)
[01:28] <maco> i just know it loads in about  the same time as OOo on windows
[01:28] <Hobbsee> sometimes uni students have to use it, with interactive pdfs.
[01:28] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:28] <maco> and OOo isnt exactly filled with helium
[01:28] <LaserJock> I wouldn't be able to use Linux at Uni if it wasn't for acroread
[01:29] <maco> (there, chem joke for ya, LaserJock)
[01:29] <LaserJock> heh
[01:30] <LaserJock> gotta run
[01:30] <LaserJock> it's been fun as always ;-)
[02:41] <Hobbsee> hggdh: guess what
[02:44] <hggdh> Hobbsee, surprise me
[02:44] <hggdh> he is back?
[02:44] <Hobbsee> hggdh: no idea.  but account suspensions relaly work now.
[02:45] <hggdh> COOL
[02:45] <hggdh> finally...
[02:45] <Hobbsee> yup
[02:45] <Hobbsee> or at least, they really work as far as i can tell, i can't seem to break them.
[02:45] <hggdh> heh
[02:46] <hggdh> can we have multiple accounts mapped to the same email?
[02:46] <Hobbsee> no
[02:46] <Hobbsee> iirc
[02:46] <hggdh> good, makes it a bit more time-consuming
[02:46] <Hobbsee> certainly can't have a team using an email attached to anything else in LP
[02:47] <Hobbsee> so i presume it can't for users too
[02:47] <hggdh> I am afraid to try, and find myself locked out
[02:47] <Hobbsee> i created a test account
[02:47] <Hobbsee> wasn't willing to do it on my normal account either
[02:47] <hggdh> yay
[02:48] <hggdh> and I really do not want to go through the hassle of creating Yet Another Email Account
[02:49] <Hobbsee> domain catchalls ftw!
[02:51] <hggdh> I thought of that, but I would have to set up my mail server (and Verizon, my ISP, gets a bit antsy with that)
[02:51] <Hobbsee> gmail handles mail for domains, if you wanted to go that route
[02:51] <hggdh> hum
[02:51] <hggdh> did not know that
[02:51] <hggdh> will look at it
[05:36] <mrooney> anyone know if bug 309574 is in the right package? I would guess that should be flashplugin-nonfree, I have never seen the adobe-flashplugin package
[05:36] <maco> mrooney: adobe-flashplugin is the package adobe makes themselves and puts in the partner repo
[05:36] <maco> it actually includes the binaries
[05:37] <maco> flashplugin-nonfree is in multiverse, i think, and it just downloads adobe's tarball and compiles it
[05:37] <mrooney> oh, interesting, okay
[05:37] <maco> the bug is actually in flash's stuff though, so i think it makes sense to put it in adobe-flashplugin. there's no software actually in flashplugin-nonfree
[05:38] <andersk> Presumably flashplugin-nonfree needs to be upgraded in order to make it download the newer version.
[05:39] <maco> has a newer on been released upstream?
[05:51] <crimsun> flashplugin-nonfree | <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1~intrepid1 | intrepid-security/multiverse | source, amd64, i386
[05:51] <crimsun> it has already hit the archives
[05:55] <crimsun> the corresponding fixes for partner are at: http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_<IP_ADDRESS>-1gutsy2.dsc http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_<IP_ADDRESS>-1hardy2.dsc http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_<IP_ADDRESS>-1intrepid2.dsc
[05:56] <crimsun> alexander has a testing version in his ppa for jaunty that pulls from partner instead of downloading from adobe. however, his version does not include the native 64-bit plugin; it's the nspluginwrapper-enabled 32-bit version for both 32- and 64-bit.
[05:56] <crimsun> mrooney: i've triaged that bug
[05:57] <mrooney> crimsun: great, thanks!
[05:57] <kees> crimsun: the jaunty plugin pulls the 64bit plugin
[05:57] <kees> er, jaunty flashplugin-nonfree ...
[05:57] <crimsun> kees: not _his_ version. i know yours does.
[05:58] <kees> okay, right, cool.  I wasn't sure if anyone had noticed my upload yet.  :P
[06:10] <dholbach> good morning
[06:16] <maco> dholbach: hello
[06:17] <dholbach> hi maco
[06:22] <maco> X crashed, and i'm actually running a stable release -_-
[08:31] <BUGabundo_work> gnomefreak: ping
[09:28] <BUGabundo_work> can some one from QA take a look at bug 309483 and help the user collect the extra details he need to file? thanks
[09:37] <BUGabundo_work> Hew: ^^^^^^^^
[09:49] <Hew> BUGabundo_work: Ugh shutdown freezes.. I'm not sure, if the message is relevant then maybe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI will help? I think linux is the correct package so hopefully someone more knowledgeable will triage it.
[09:55] <BUGabundo_work> ok
[09:56] <BUGabundo_work> since he mentioned acpi, I filed it against kernel
[09:58] <Hew> yea linux is correct I think, but ACPI problems are usually related to a refusal to boot, from my limited knowledge. I'm not good at triaging linux bugs :P
[10:00] <Hew> BUGabundo_work: I added the DebuggingACPI comment just in case, perhaps acpi=off will fix the shutdown issue, who knows.
[10:04] <BUGabundo_work> yeah
[10:04] <BUGabundo_work> but now the website PT team will also be subscribed to it! nasty LP bug!
[12:46] <xubuntusdi> ciao a tutti
[12:50] <xubuntusdi> anche in thunar non appaiono ho dovuto installare pcmanfm
[13:26] <Hew> !it | xubuntusdi
[13:28] <BUGabundo_work> auau
[13:28] <BUGabundo_work> didn't know we had a multi ling bot!
[13:28] <BUGabundo_work> !pt | me
[13:28] <BUGabundo_work> UIIIIII
[13:28] <BUGabundo_work> PT != BR grrrrrrrrrr
[13:28] <hacktick> hehe
[13:29] <hacktick> !pt_pt | me
[13:29] <BUGabundo_work> will some teach him better!!
[13:30] <hacktick> I think its ok, the brazilian community is way bigger than the portuguese one BUGabundo_work :)
[13:32] <BUGabundo_work> I know
[13:32] <BUGabundo_work> but with don't always get along
[13:32] <BUGabundo_work> at least with should list BOTH channels
[13:44] <hacktick> BUGabundo_work: ubuntu-de is used both by austian and german users
[14:07] <xubuntusdi> sorry I need help I xubuntu 8.10 unfortunately I can not see the disk partitions in Thunar on the desktop or Places able to enter only after you install pcmanfm that? I can to view the partitions ...
[14:14] <hacktick> xubuntusdi: User support is in #ubuntu (or #ubuntu-it)
[14:15] <xubuntusdi> ops sorry
[14:15] <xubuntusdi> :P
[14:15] <xubuntusdi> Helloo
[14:15] <BUGabundo_work> hi
[14:25] <MrKanister> Hi. Can someone set the inportance of bug #304482 to "low" ? Thanks in advance
[14:36] <Hew> MrKanister: Done, thanks for your help :-)
[14:37] <MrKanister> Hew: Thanks for helping me to help ;)
[14:37] <Hew> hehe no worries
[16:09] <fjk> hello
[16:14] <bdmurray> fjk: hi
[16:15] <BUGabundo_work> hi fjk
[16:25] <fjk> i have problem with run my nvidia-settings can i ask for help here ?
[16:26] <pckchem> Sure
[16:26] <pckchem> Although the prefered channel is #ubuntu
[16:26] <fjk> when im trying to run nvidia-settings i recive:
[16:26] <fjk> The error was 'BadLength (poly request too large or internal Xlib length erro'.
[16:26] <fjk>   (Details: serial 141 error_code 16 request_code 128 minor_code 17)
[16:26] <fjk> glxinfo: name of display: :0.0
[16:26] <fjk> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
[16:27] <pckchem> fjk | !paste
[16:27] <pckchem> !paste
[16:27] <fjk> nvidi settings say that is bug
[16:27] <fjk> sry
[16:28] <fjk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/88596/
[16:29] <pckchem> Try this
[16:30] <pckchem> http://paste.ubuntu.com/88598/
[16:30] <pckchem> It's from the forums, I'd have referenced you to the post but they are down and I used a cached version
[16:31] <fjk> but i have glx module in xorg.conf and im think it is loaded
[16:31] <pckchem> hmm.
[16:31] <fjk> my compiz works fine
[16:31] <fjk> but im cannot luchn f.e. counter strike
[16:32] <fjk> im think there is some acceleration when compiz works
[16:32] <fjk> but something mismatch with gdm librares.. ?
[16:32] <pckchem> It's an interesting problem for sure and I'm reading a forum post by someone who has the exact same symptoms and circumstances.
[16:33] <fjk> im trying to install intel linux graphics drivers
[16:33] <fjk> coz im have ubuntu on usb disk and using it in home (nvidia) and in work (intel)
[16:34] <fjk> i think im uninstall almost everything except dmr module
[16:34] <fjk> erlier im trying to lunch opengl on intel graphics card
[16:35] <fjk> and from now i have troubles in home with nvidia-settings
[16:35] <fjk> it is clear ?
[16:35] <fjk> ory for my eng
[16:35] <pckchem> It's fine, actually. I didn't notice.
[16:36] <pckchem> The problem with these USB installations is that often times the specific kernel and settings for ubuntu is set according to the computer you installed it on first.
[16:36] <fjk> wanna some my logs ?
[16:36] <pckchem> So when you try to plug it into something with different hardware, things get a bit troublesome.
[16:36] <fjk> im using this usb system since three months and never have troubles
[16:36] <pckchem> From what it sounds like, installing the intel drivers started this problem, yes?
[16:37] <fjk> im should not try instal this driver
[16:37] <fjk> yes im think that
[16:37] <fjk> yes that im think :)
[16:38] <pckchem> Yes, I'm *thinking* that.
[16:38] <pckchem> Close :)
[16:38] <fjk> i have proper resolution anc color depth....
[16:38] <pckchem> Have you tried reconfiguring the x server?
[16:38] <fjk> yes
[16:38] <fjk> manualy from console and automaticly from recovery kernel
[16:39] <fjk> mybe there is some problem with opengls libraries
[16:39] <pckchem> It could be. Are you using the proprietary NVIDIA drivers?
[16:39] <fjk> yes
[16:40] <fjk> im alredy using its
[16:40] <pckchem> Have you tried reinstalling them?
[16:40] <fjk> tes
[16:40] <fjk> im trying reinstall, and chanding from 177 to 173
[16:40] <fjk> nothing helps
[16:42] <fjk> wanna some logs  ?
[16:42] <pckchem> I can take a look at them, but since I'm not an expert I only tend to get a minimal amount of information out of them.
[16:42] <fjk> :|
[16:42] <fjk> any other suggestions ?
[16:43] <pckchem> I'm combing my resources  right now, give me a minute.
[16:43] <fjk> ok
[16:43] <fjk> mysbe im boot to ubuntu ?
[16:44] <fjk> ok ill be back in few minutes
[16:44] <fjk> im going to boot ubuntu
[16:44] <pckchem> one second
[16:44] <fjk> ok
[16:45] <pckchem> can you pastbin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file
[16:45] <fjk> ok
[16:45] <fjk> moment
[16:53] <fjk> hi
[16:53] <pckchem> hello again
[16:54] <fjk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/88617/
[16:55] <pckchem> can I also have your xorg.conf?
[16:56] <fjk> yes
[16:56] <fjk> but, now there is no information in conf when im using automaticlu configuration :(
[16:56] <fjk> i have my own config file
[16:57] <pckchem> well post it anyways, that might be the problem.
[16:57] <fjk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/88618/
[16:58] <fjk> and this is my config file which im using when im in home http://paste.ubuntu.com/88619/
[16:58] <fjk> but now my config is overwiritten by configuration from recovery mode
[17:00] <pckchem> can you run glxinfo|grep accel
[17:00] <pckchem> in terminal
[17:02] <pckchem> pastebin what comes out
[17:02] <fjk> but glxinfo giving only :
[17:02] <fjk> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
[17:02] <pckchem> hmm
[17:03] <fjk> illbe back in 2 minutse
[17:03] <fjk> minutes
[17:07] <pckchem> which computer are you on right now? Work or home?
[17:07] <fjk> when im trying install intel driver im install these components: drm, libdrm2.4.1, mesa and xf86 video intel
[17:07] <fjk> home
[17:07] <fjk> nvidia
[17:08] <fjk> mybe i must reinstal my whole desktop ?
[17:09] <fjk> :(
[17:09] <pckchem> dont go that far yet :(
[17:10] <maco> wait um...if you delete xorg.conf, doesnt that force it to re-detect everything so you can redo setup with xfix?
[17:11] <pckchem> Uhh, no more than using the normal reconfigure command, I think. I'm not sure.
[17:12] <fjk> im think this is not problem with xorg.conf and other config files
[17:12] <fjk> xorg.log seems look ok too
[17:12] <fjk> this is problem with som or these intel librairies....
[17:13] <fjk> pckchem, what do u thinking ?
[17:14] <pckchem> I'm out of ideas at this point. My gut instinct is that the problem is due to two sets of graphics drivers conflicting, but I don't know how to prevent it.
[17:15] <fjk> :)
[17:15] <fjk> im dontknown too :)
[17:16] <pckchem> My final idea would be to use synaptics to make sure all NVIDIA drivers are uninstalled. Then install the newest NVIDIA drivers from the NVIDIA website instead of the repos.
[17:17] <fjk> what happend when im completly uninstall  drm compiz gda and all these depending packages ?
[17:17] <fjk> :)
[17:17] <fjk> can i reinstall all these things >? :)
[17:17] <fjk> gdm
[17:18] <fjk> without reinstaling whole sys ?
[17:18] <pckchem> GDM is dependant upon the NVIDIA proprietary drivers?
[17:18] <pckchem> No way.
[17:19] <fjk> when im treing to uninstall libdrm or libmesa  synaptic says tahat must unistall compiz gdla ald milions of libriaries and programs...
[17:19] <fjk> gdm
[17:19] <fjk> sry
[17:20] <pckchem> Don't uninstall libdrm or libmesa. They are probably fine.
[17:21] <pckchem> look for any packages with the nvidia prefix and uninstall those
[17:22] <fjk> ok
[17:22] <fjk> in few minutes
[17:22] <pckchem> system->administration->synaptics package manager
[17:37] <fjk> hi
[17:37] <fjk> im delete all nvidia
[17:37] <fjk> aln some more packages including compiz
[17:37] <fjk> still the same :(
[17:38] <pckchem> If you're uninstalling compiz you did something wrong and removed too many packages.
[17:39] <fjk> forget about compiz
[17:39] <pckchem> Have you tried reinstalling, but with the drivers from the NVIDIA website?
[17:39] <fjk> no
[17:40] <fjk> 177 driver from packages
[17:40] <fjk> this driver work fine eilier
[17:41] <fjk> this is not driver problem... :(
[17:42] <pckchem> No, but it may be a driver configuration problem, which installing using the nvidia configuration utilities might fix. It's the only idea I have at this point. Try asking on the forums if that doesn't help :(
[17:43] <fjk> asking on forums doesn't help :)
[17:43] <fjk> how i can get some more info ? some debug ?
[17:44] <fjk> here im find some post about this<EMAIL_ADDRESS>...
[17:45] <pckchem> I don't know. http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334  is usually the best resource for these problems. Just be patient.
[17:52] <marmuta> hi, under which source package should I file an xserver crash, xorg or xorg-server?
[17:53] <chrisccoulson> xorg-server
[17:53] <marmuta> great, thanks
[17:53] <chrisccoulson> no problem
[17:53] <chrisccoulson> it doesn't matter really, because the same people will see it, and will reassign it if it's against the wrong package anyway
[17:53] <bdmurray> marmuta: depending on the release of ubuntu using apport to file the bug will gather a lot of information for you
[17:57] <marmuta> thanks, I think I have everything collected. just managed to get a backtrace too.
[17:57] <bdmurray> great!
[18:08] <chimp> I just tried to file a bug report using ubuntu-bug and it sent me to a web page that doesn't exist, a bug in ubuntu-bug?
[18:08] <bdmurray> chimp: did it go to bugs.edge.launchpad.net or bugs.launchpad.net?
[18:08] <chimp> bugs.launchpad.net
[18:09] <chimp> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/siggen/+filebug/cG8Rt2S5U62vAM8NxEzb2BaIjOC?
[18:09] <chimp> specifically
[18:09] <bdmurray> stick an edge in there so bugs.edge.launchpad.net ...
[18:10] <chimp> That worked, so that Is a bug then?
[18:10] <bdmurray> chimp: I'm not certain but its on my list of things to look at
[18:11] <chimp> After filing it using ubuntu-bug do I still need to fill in my specific information in further info (version etc.) or has ubuntu-bug already submitted that?
[18:12] <bdmurray> ubuntu-bug has already done that
[18:12] <bdmurray> Thanks for asking!
[18:14] <thekorn> refreshing pages opened by apport or ubuntu-bug after a few seconds also helps
[18:14] <thekorn> hi bdmurray
[18:14] <LaserJock> is pedro around?
[18:16] <bdmurray> LaserJock: he is on Holiday it looks like
[18:16] <LaserJock> heh
[18:16] <LaserJock> doesn't seem to be stopping him from closing bugs ;-)
[18:16] <LaserJock> maybe I'll send him an email then
[18:17] <bdmurray> thekorn: hey there!
[18:24] <fjk> by
[18:24] <fjk> thanks for helping
[19:18] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: ping
[19:34] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: what's up
[19:35] <BUGabundo> hy
[19:35] <BUGabundo> just asking if there is any extra data/tests I can submit
[19:35] <BUGabundo> to bug 308185
[19:35] <ogasawara> BUGabundo: the 2.6.28 kernel is still seeing a lot of churn - so continual testing and updates to the bug will help
[19:36] <BUGabundo> upgrading now to .28.3.3
[19:36] <BUGabundo> there goes my uptime
[19:36] <BUGabundo> lol
[19:36] <BUGabundo> 19:36:29 up 1 day, 19:30,  5 users,  load average: 1.54, 1.53, 1.35
[19:36] <BUGabundo> USER     TTY      FROM              LOGIN@   IDLE   JCPU   PCPU WHAT
[19:36] <BUGabundo> bugabund tty7     :0               Thu00   43:30   2:26   0.04s /bin/bash /usr/
[19:36] <BUGabundo> bugabund pts/0    :0.0             Thu00   37:15m  0.61s  0.61s bash
[19:36] <BUGabundo> bugabund pts/1    :0.0             Thu07   36:52m  0.85s  0.85s bash
[19:36] <BUGabundo> bugabund pts/2    :0.0             11:19    4:30   0.32s  0.32s bash
[19:36] <BUGabundo> bugabund pts/3    :0.0             15:05    2:15   0.25s  0.25s bash
[19:37] <BUGabundo> by the way
[19:37] <BUGabundo> any one here know where I can find devs working on power optimization?
[19:37] <BUGabundo> I have a question about the power needed to keep a laptop on suspend
[19:38]  * BUGabundo is afraid new kernel will stop supporting again suspend and hibernate!
[20:58] <Rocket2DMn> Hey guys, do we support bugs filed in languages other than english?
[21:00] <nhandler> Rocket2DMn: I think they are allowed, but we try and get them translated into English
[21:01] <Rocket2DMn> nhandler, I've seen a few, but I don't think they are well supported
[21:01] <Rocket2DMn> A user asked to translate my bug filing guide into spanish for the LoCos
[21:01] <Rocket2DMn> I was going to include a note about filing in English, unless there was support for other languages that I was unaware of
[21:02] <nhandler> Rocket2DMn: Most of the Developers speak English. As a result, bugs filed in other languages probably will not be fixed as quickly. However, I haven't read anything saying they are not allowed
[21:02] <Rocket2DMn> i've seen a few, but not many
[21:02] <nhandler> I think I've translated the bugs to English using online translators. That way, we at least have a partial translation
[21:03] <Rocket2DMn> I've responded to a few questions and bugs in spanish before
[21:03] <Rocket2DMn> i just havent been able to get a solid answer as to whether we support them
[21:09] <xubuntusdi> hi !!!!
[21:12] <bdmurray> Rocket2DMn: There isn't an official policy regarding non-English bug reports
[21:12] <hggdh> Rocket2DMn, we usually accept them, ask to be translated to English, or they wait for somebody fluent to work on it
[21:12] <Rocket2DMn> thanks bdmurray , i didnt expect there was since i wasnt able to find any documentation about it
[21:13] <Rocket2DMn> i have run across a few bugs/questions in spanish which i have dealt with, i just wanted to see if anybody knew more than i did about the subject
[21:13] <hggdh> bdmurray, we could include a blurb on the standard responses about that
[21:14] <Rocket2DMn> i like that idea
[21:14] <hggdh> something in the line of "the official language is English, please report in English, or please wait for somebody fluent to translate/work on it"
[21:15] <nhandler> hggdh: I'm pretty sure that some wiki page suggests using something like Google Translator to translate them into English
[21:15] <Rocket2DMn> hggdh, do you want to create a separate page about it with the response translated into the primary languages we see?
[21:16] <Rocket2DMn> like on the Bugs/Responses page, have the english response, then a link for triagers to a differnet page where it is translated
[21:16] <LaserJock> it would seem to be a bit odd to have a canned English response tell the reporter to translate into English :-)
[21:17] <hggdh> nhandler, I think so, but auto translators are not as good on generic translation (I have seen some quite horrible ones from French, English, Spanish, and Portuguese to sames
[21:17] <bdmurray> Doesn't that depend on the triager recognizing the foreign language?
[21:17] <Rocket2DMn> bdmurray, yes, but at least its an improvement over ignoring the bug.  i think the majority of langauges are easy to recognize
[21:17] <hggdh> yes, it does. But we could -- with a bit of effort -- have some common languages pre-translated
[21:17] <LaserJock> what if you had a language tag?
[21:18] <LaserJock> and then work with LoCos to have people translating
[21:18] <hggdh> and point on a link if the triager is unable to identify
[21:20] <nhandler> hggdh: I know, but a bad English translation imo is still better than nothing
[21:20] <nhandler> Usually, you can at least partially understand them
[21:22] <YoBoY> hi


[02:51] <FrozenZia> Hi all -- dumb question -- is there a specific directory where most "system" related strings are stored?  In particular I'm trying to find where "This system will be automatically shut down" is located.


[00:22] <hffgbbbffd> how can I trigger the cloud-init service to rerun as it never ran before? I tried clean then init then restarting the service, but that doesn't seem to do it
[00:30] <minimal> hffgbbbffd: are you trying to run the whole sequence manually? or trying to reset things so the next boot is treated as 1st boot?
[00:32] <hffgbbbffd> I'm currently troubleshooting why I get pam_systemd timeouts when any sudo commands are run from scripts via the cloud-init service. They only happen when cloud-init is run from systemd, so I'd like to run the whole sequence over and over to troubleshoot the pam timeouts specifically from the service?
[00:32] <hffgbbbffd> if I do something like `cloud-init -d init && cloud-init -d modules --mode final` it will run everything my current shell session and no pam timeouts occur so I'm trying to narrow it down to something in the service
[00:38] <hffgbbbffd> minimal ^
[00:42] <minimal> I haven't used cloud-init with systemd (my systems use openrc) but basically there's *4* cloud-init scripts run in sequence, cloud-init-local, cloud-init, cloud-config, and cloud-final
[00:43] <minimal> have you tried enabling cloud-init debugging to get more detail in the logfile?
[00:44] <minimal> s/scripts/stages/
[00:45] <hffgbbbffd> I think debugging is already turned on, but when it runs the script there is just a large gap of time spent in my custom script,
[00:45] <hffgbbbffd> 2022-01-29 22:43:56,585 - util.py[DEBUG]: Running command ['/var/lib/cloud/instance/scripts/part-001'] with allowed return codes [0] (shell=False, capture=False)
[00:45] <hffgbbbffd> 2022-01-29 22:56:29,210 - handlers.py[DEBUG]: finish: modules-final/config-scripts-user: SUCCESS: config-scripts-user ran successfully
[00:46] <hffgbbbffd> almost 10 minutes, now the script is filled with installation commands, but the pam logs show a timeout per command of like 25 seconds
[00:46] <hffgbbbffd> looks like the systemd script does this
[00:46] <hffgbbbffd> [Service]
[00:46] <hffgbbbffd> Type=oneshot
[00:46] <hffgbbbffd> ExecStart=/usr/bin/cloud-init init
[00:46] <hffgbbbffd> RemainAfterExit=yes
[00:46] <hffgbbbffd> TimeoutSec=0
[00:51] <hffgbbbffd> basically trying to test if something like this service is missing system-login or something before cloud-init runs, cause I added another service and it can sudo just fine
[00:52] <hffgbbbffd> hence why I want to run it from scratch on demand from the service by itself, is there a way to reset the data the cloud-init binary relies on?
[00:54] <minimal> a "cloud-init clean" should do that AFAIK
[01:00] <hffgbbbffd> ok I reproduced it via the systemd service doing something like this
[01:00] <hffgbbbffd>  rm -Rf /var/lib/cloud && cloud-init init && systemctl restart cloud-init
[01:00] <hffgbbbffd> and changing execstart=/usr/bin/cloud-init -d modules --mode final
[01:01] <hffgbbbffd> now the hard part I guess, why would cloud-init via systemd get pam timeouts but not via my root shell
[01:24] <minimal> hffgbbbffd: something needing a terminal device somehow?
[17:56] <blackboxsw> falcojr: sorry just merged https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1220 to order LXD datasource at end of list for Bionic. I'll watch for your reflected PRs on other Ubunut series branches
[18:02] <falcojr> blackboxsw: thanks I"ll get the rest of the branches up later today
[19:03] <henk> minimal: nah, don’t care enough
[19:28] <blackboxsw> Thanks james for the followup on schema-a-d just pushed final changes there.
[20:14] <falcojr> blackboxsw: rest of the LXD ds PRs are up
[22:23] <blackboxsw> falcojr: thanks and merged.
[22:24] <blackboxsw> holmanb: +1 on better deprecation handling for cloud-config schema changes. Right now we have migration support for a few different modules, but I think it's worth us defining a process by which we officially deprecate old #cloud-config schema via both log warnings and CLI tooling as you said. Added a tracking item for our ongoign schema work for us to sort by 22.04 https://warthogs.atlassian.net/browse/SC-774
[22:28] <holmanb> @blackboxsw: Thanks, sounds good to me :)


[00:08] <artao> hai
[00:09] <artao> i've been looking thru the settings but haven't found this particular thing yet ... not even sure it's available ... .... i'd like new windows to appear in the center of the screen. right now they always snap to the upper left corner.
[00:24] <akSeya> folks.. the run command box is running away from my mouse :S
[00:25] <akSeya> if I go to the run command box from left or right the box "runs away"
[00:28] <BluesKaj> akSeya, try clicking in the desktop
[00:28] <m4v> akSeya: click?
[00:28] <akSeya> it worked
[00:28] <akSeya> wierd.. why that happened?
[00:31] <GH0> Why am I unable to change the view mode in Kubuntu to go into detailed/list mode? The folder that I am trying to change contains a bunch or archive files, mainly .zip.
[00:39] <BluesKaj> GH0,  dolphin>view>adjust view properties<view mode ? no details option?
[00:44] <GH0> I have a details option BluesKaj, the view just doesn't change. It seems to only be for this specific folder too. Others work fine. If I use another username, the same problem folder works fine.
[00:46] <BluesKaj> GH0, then i's probly folder permissions
[01:09] <ubuntu> hola
[01:10] <bazhang> !es | ubuntu
[01:12] <ubuntu> hola alguien sabe como entrar a el canal de mexico
[01:12] <bazhang> ubuntu, english here
[01:18] <xixor> sup.  I hear kde 4.8.3 is out in the kubuntu PPA.  What is this PPA?
[01:19] <xixor> ah, I see, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa, nice
[01:21] <xixor> so, when I installed kubuntu, much to my surprise, it provided RAID drivers for my RAID 1 mirror array I have on my gigabyte motherboard.  The drive is NTFS formatted, and I wasn't planning on using it.  But since kubuntu automatically found the drivers for the raid and is using them, and appears to have no problem mounting the drive in dolphin... I am wondering: is there much danger using an NTFS RAID 1 in dolphin and/or linux these d
[01:32] <artao> repeat of earlier question : i've been looking thru the settings but haven't found this particular thing yet ... not even sure it's available ... .... i'd like new windows to appear in the center of the screen. right now they always snap to the upper left corner.
[01:36] <GH0> Hm, I also have another issue. About seven times today in the past ten hours, my connections to my server have seemed to die. This has been happening since the latest samba upgrade, and/or possibly today. Is there any way to find out how /why it is happening?
[01:36] <GH0> It seems to be an issue solely when connecting to the broadcasted hostname of the machine.
[01:47] <GH0> And it just happened again.
[01:47] <GH0> As soon as I restart the smbd service, I can access the machine again over the network, via ping, ssh, samba shares, vnc, etc.
[02:12] <robotdevil> does everyone else get two update notifications in the system tray are too?
[02:13] <robotdevil> area*
[02:42] <robotdevil> Wow didnt think this question wouldnt get an answer.  I m just upgraded to 12.04 and was wondering when an update comes through if anyone else gets two notifications in the system try or not.
[02:44] <qbit> I don't - but I also don't use any autoupdate checking or notifications, have all that turned off as I prefer to check and do things manually
[05:07] <rotsy> hello guys
[05:08] <rotsy> I'm using kubuntu 11.10 and i'd like to upgrade it to 12.04
[05:08] <rotsy> i tried the update manager but it doesn't work
[06:23] <mcloy> how to start kde from console?
[06:24] <mcloy> how to start kde from consol?
[06:43] <john_____> < noob trying to install java any help from terminal ty ty
[06:43] <ForgeAus> yay finally!
[06:43] <ForgeAus> ok how to mount /dev/sdb3 as readwrite instead of readonly?
[06:44] <ForgeAus> I did sudo -i  then mkdir /mnt/sdb3  then mount /dev/sdb3 /mnt/sdb3 but it was read only
[06:44] <ForgeAus> so I unmounted it
[07:12] <artao> anyone live?
[07:13] <artao> as the only user of my computer, does it really matter where I install precomiped binary packages?
[07:14] <artao> I DO want them available to the system in general ...... i was planning on putting, say, Blender, in ~/bin ... or is it better to put it in /usr/bin ??
[07:32] <tsimpson> artao: if you are the only user, it doesn't matter so much where you put it. though, /usr/local is generally where user installed applications etc go
[07:35] <almoxarife> i am confused, how does one force an installation from repos to go where one chooses?
[07:37] <almoxarife> i have installed 'prelink' and have it running error free, how do i verify in realtime that the prelink process is actually taking place? i have not seen any way
[07:39] <tsimpson> almoxarife: you don't choose where packages from the repositories go, only ones you compile and install yourself. To see if a process is running, you can use the "ps" command in a terminal, or use System Monitor (under System in the K-Menu) for a GUI
[07:41] <almoxarife> tsimpson, been there done that, that does not show if prelinking as occurred
[07:43] <tsimpson> almoxarife: looks like prekink isn't something that runs all the time, but daily (from cron)
[07:46] <almoxarife> tsimpson, thats portion of the process i can verify easy enough, post prelink when the processes are taking place, thats where i want to be looking
[07:47] <tsimpson> unless you want to read about ELF file headers and dive in deep into what prelink actually does, I guess you'll just have to trust that it's done it's job
[07:48] <almoxarife> trust? :)
[07:49] <almoxarife> tsimpson, and i did do both, i did not manage to get it working without error without reading
[08:43] <CruX|> hello is there a way how can I convert kubuntu iso installer to bootable usb key ?
[08:43] <CruX|> in unetbootin there is no kubuntu-12.04-alternate-amd64.iso which I prefer
[08:45] <robin0800> CruX|: download the ISO separately and point unetbootin at it
[08:57] <CruX|> robin0800: thx
[09:17] <josy1982> Hi all :)
[09:58] <CruX|> robin0800: hmm instalation is failing with unetbootin :(
[09:58] <CruX|> http://put.sk/img/9366s10.png
[10:07] <mokush> I'm using chromium using about 6 open tabs, but system-activity shows about 20 chromium-browser processes. any idea why?
[10:08] <tsimpson> mokush: each extension, as well as each tab, and each plugin, all run in separate processes in chromium
[10:08] <mokush> tsimpson: oh, so extensions have separate processes also?
[10:09] <tsimpson> as far as I know, most do
[10:09] <manuel_> Hola
[10:09] <tsimpson> I have about 16 chrome processes running now, and I only have 3 tabs with 6 "background pages"
[10:10] <mokush> tsimpson: they sure are eating a lot of memory
[10:10] <tsimpson> yeah, chrome does that..
[10:10] <tsimpson> I tend to restart chrome every day or two, just to free up the memory
[10:10] <robin0800> CruX|: perhaps only the live cds can be put on usb sticks
[10:12] <manuel_> how can I get a swidish irc server?
[10:39] <robotdevil> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=95676
[12:41] <danielo_> hey everybody.
[12:41] <danielo_> I would like to ask you about hibernating system on 12.04
[12:42] <danielo_> when I click in menu, shutdown, hibernate
[12:42] <danielo_> it only lock my screen with screen saver
[12:43] <danielo_> when I give the command "pm-suspend" it works from root only
[12:43] <danielo_> can anybody help to resolve it?
[12:58] <ForgeAus> danielo_:  I think its only meant to work from root
[12:58] <ForgeAus> so maybe when you run it you should sudo first?
[12:58] <danielo_> right
[12:58] <danielo_> but why it doesnt work from kmenu with normal user?
[12:59] <danielo_> hibernation doesnt work for a normall user
[13:01] <ForgeAus> uh oh, I see, I can't answer that, mostly because I don't know
[13:01] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:04] <ForgeAus> hey BluesKaj how are you?
[13:04] <ForgeAus> I'm in deep trouble here, my kubuntu isn't usabale again :(
[13:04] <BluesKaj> hi ForgeAus , fine thanks , and you ?
[13:04] <ForgeAus> and I have no idea whats going on
[13:04] <shaopo> do you know a tool for merging pdf's?
[13:04] <ForgeAus> it seems like everytime I fix something something even worse goes wrong
[13:05] <ForgeAus> merging pdf's uh I remember reading something about that, a proggy that splits and merges them but I think that was for OSX
[13:05] <BluesKaj> ForgeAus, ok , what state are in atm , do you have a desktop ?
[13:05] <ForgeAus> BluesKaj:  would you like me to start from the start or just with the problem I have now?
[13:06] <ForgeAus> I ahve a desktop from the live CD if that helps any :)
[13:06] <ForgeAus> but not from my HDD install
[13:06] <danielo_> so anyone knows how to make hibernate work for a normal user
[13:06] <danielo_> ?
[13:06] <ForgeAus> danielo_: you might want to check if there is a group for it?
[13:06] <mydogsnameisrudy> have not liked using hibernate , seems to lock up system to much
[13:06] <BluesKaj> well, it would be good to know what happened and what you did to fix it , ForgeAus
[13:08] <ForgeAus> BluesKaj: well it all started from policykit getting in the way, instead of the normal kdesudo prompt I get, (I htink when I installed appler it switched it to policykit) ...which wanted my ROOT (lowercase I only capitalized for emphasis) password instead of my sudo password
[13:08] <ForgeAus> so I did a sudo passwd root, which gave me an error (this is a long story, only around half way there)
[13:08] <danielo_> yes I dont like hibernate to, but suspending to ram doesnt work at all
[13:08] <danielo_> :(
[13:09] <ForgeAus> I forgot the error but basically it told me it was reporting me! ...
[13:09] <ForgeAus> I had a desktop at that stage, but I was removed from most of my groups
[13:09] <ForgeAus> danielo_:  of course, if you turn your computer of, ram doesn't stay
[13:10] <ForgeAus> danielo_: or at least it isn't supposed to
[13:10] <danielo_> I know
[13:10] <danielo_> i had problem cause I cant suspend and hibernate computer
[13:10] <ForgeAus> oh thats right the eroor said forgeaus (my user of course) isn't in sudoers and that a report of the incident was generated (something to that effect)
[13:10] <ForgeAus> so I managed to boot from the live CD
[13:10] <danielo_> I was trying to reinstall atheros at5k i at9k
[13:11] <danielo_> but it dosent work
[13:11] <ForgeAus> found backup copies of gshadow, passwd groups and shadow in /etc
[13:11] <ForgeAus> so I replaced them after some readwrite mount ... but
[13:11] <ForgeAus> when I tried to log back into my desktop
[13:12] <ForgeAus> now I have a different issue, entirely, not sure if its some kind of malware or just a graphic driver issue, KDM itself works fine ...
[13:12] <mydogsnameisrudy> ForgeAus:  um that sounds painful ;)
[13:12] <ForgeAus> but I can't get to (its called a virtual terminal when you alt - F1/F2, etc? right) because no text screen seems to work at all which is really freaking me out
[13:13] <ForgeAus> and KDM doesn't get me to a desktop I think it accepts the login the screen goes to change modes, blanks for a bit, but returns back to a kdm login instead of a desktop
[13:13] <ForgeAus> so basically my Kubuntu is unusable
[13:13] <BluesKaj> for yeah , aTTY , ,,did you try sudo service kdm restart ?
[13:14] <ForgeAus> it doesn't seem to connect in any way to what I did
[13:14] <ForgeAus> no TTY's
[13:14] <ForgeAus> no nothing but KDM login that doesn't log me in
[13:16] <BluesKaj> ForgeAus, have you tried the recovery kernel, then the "repair broken packages" dialog
[13:16] <ForgeAus> uh ok recovery kernel repair broken packages
[13:16] <ForgeAus> any particular packages to check?
[13:16] <ForgeAus> or does that look for all?
[13:17] <ForgeAus> and no I didn't try that
[13:18] <keel> ForgeAus: do you mean Crt+alt+F1 ?
[13:18] <ForgeAus> does that just do a dpkg reconfigure -a kinda thing?
[13:18] <ForgeAus> keel control+alt+F1 doesn't work
[13:18] <ForgeAus> I get a black screen but no text, just some odd cutoff graphic which makes me wonder if its video drivers or something?
[13:18] <ForgeAus> or some kind of malware?
[13:19] <ForgeAus> its cut off at where I would expect the first line of text to finish, oddly enough so I guess thats vaguely encoraging
[13:21] <ForgeAus> uh blueskaj whats supposed to be in sudoers?
[13:22] <ForgeAus> and what should be permissions on the files in /etc groups, shadow, gshadow and passwd
[13:22] <ForgeAus> could that be why I can't log in?
[13:22] <danielo_> did You use ever tuxonice?
[13:23] <BluesKaj> ForgeAus, I don't have much experimce in that area of users and groups , since I'm the only user
[13:23] <ForgeAus> same here I'm the only user
[13:24] <ForgeAus> can you just check your sudoers file and om me if theres a line that includes your username
[13:24] <BluesKaj> ForgeAus, the reair dialog in the recovery kernel tries to fix any and all broken packages
[13:24] <ForgeAus> also check if theres a /etc/sudoers.d file
[13:24] <BluesKaj> repair
[13:24] <ForgeAus> bluesKaj I don't think I got broken packages
[13:25] <ForgeAus> but it might reconfigure something to fix I don't know
[13:25] <BluesKaj> you mighr since you have no X
[13:25] <ForgeAus> uh I'm going to try a few things
[13:26] <ForgeAus> can you run a command kdesudo kate /etc/sudoers and look through the file, probably at the very end there might be a line that mentions your user, don't save or make any changes though
[13:28] <ForgeAus> I guess the line either the line %admin  ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL and/or %sudo   ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL includes everyone in admin group as a sudoer
[13:28] <ForgeAus> thats the only thing I can see in there that would refer to my user
[13:29] <BluesKaj> ForgeAus, my sudoers file uses the no PW command , but I'll check
[13:29] <ForgeAus> so i think its not reading my group and users right, those files so I'm going to try permission changes and reboot, then if that not work repair
[13:29] <ForgeAus> no PW? hmm ok did you modify it or something? I don't see that here, but I'm at the end of the file, brb checking
[13:30] <ForgeAus> its pretty short, it also mentions a sudoers.d which I don't seem to have
[13:31] <BluesKaj> yes I modded the sudoers wth vi , got tired of the constant pw requirements
[13:31] <ForgeAus> nice but ignore that , it doesn't help me right now
[13:32] <ForgeAus> no lines that refer to your user? I guess those too that start with %admin and %sudo count them in automatically, mine is pretty short actually
[13:32] <ForgeAus> it only has around 29 or so lines
[13:33] <BluesKaj> ForgeAus,
[13:33] <BluesKaj> # Members of the admin group may gain root privilege %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[13:33] <ForgeAus> yeah
[13:33] <ForgeAus> ok so my admin group isn't working I guess
[13:33] <ForgeAus> so now I gotta fix permissions
[13:33] <ForgeAus> thats next step right?
[13:33] <ForgeAus> I fixed teh files by copying a backup version it saved
[13:34] <ForgeAus> but the permissions on those files I guess are wrong
[13:34] <BluesKaj> looks like you got into a can of worms when you had trouble with policykit
[13:34] <ForgeAus> so permissions on my sudoers file say -r--r----
[13:34] <ForgeAus> yeah it does
[13:35] <ForgeAus> but its changed things in my system so I'm just following my nose trying to unchange them :)
[13:35] <ForgeAus> it was quite rude of it to remove me from groups and stuff that I should have been in
[13:35] <BluesKaj> not an area of expertise for me
[13:36] <ForgeAus> ok in dolphin (details view) you can add a permissions column
[13:36] <ForgeAus> or you can use the command ls -l I think it is with a filemask like su*
[13:36] <ForgeAus> should show you permissions that way
[13:36] <ForgeAus> going to test it just to make sure I'm right
[13:37] <ForgeAus> yeah so ls -l sudoers in terminal should show you
[13:37] <ForgeAus> if your not in the /etc directory you need to add that
[13:37] <ForgeAus> ls -l /etc/sudoers
[13:37] <Joit> # User privilege specification
[13:37] <Joit> root	ALL=(ALL) ALL
[13:37] <Joit> # Allow members of group sudo to execute any command after they have
[13:37] <Joit> # provided their password
[13:37] <Joit> # (Note that later entries override this, so you might need to move
[13:37] <FloodBotK1> Joit: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:37] <Joit> # it further down)
[13:38] <ForgeAus> wb joit, thx but I guess thats what pastebin is for lol
[13:38] <Joit> looks like
[13:38] <ForgeAus> anything longer than 4 or 5 lines (seems restrictive to me but hey)
[13:38] <Joit> thats my sudoers
[13:39] <ForgeAus> Joit, no mention of your user specifically though so thats good I shouldn't need to change that
[13:39] <Joit> yeah, i survive floodbots pointing finger
[13:40] <eurmzx> Hey
[13:40] <ForgeAus> so I need permissions for the files sudoers, shadow, gshadow, groups and passwd in /etc to check
[13:40] <eurmzx> Hey, did I connect?
[13:40] <ForgeAus> I wonder if I could google it?
[13:40] <eurmzx> Nevermind
[13:40] <Joit> i opened it at the konsole with sudo dolphin
[13:40] <Joit> then you can look at it and / or change
[13:41] <Joit> eurmzx:  no, its only your ghost :p
[13:41] <Joit> what is your problem actually ForgeAus, i only read you got problems with the policy
[13:41] <ForgeAus> ok my sudoers file is right with permissions
[13:42] <ForgeAus> Joit, yeah policykit I think caused the ball to roll
[13:42] <ForgeAus> but since then things have been going from bad to worse
[13:42] <eurmzx> Hey, can someone help me? Whenever I get a system notification, the system tray icons's size changes to default (while my panel is smaller)
[13:42] <Joit> cant you start your xserver anymore?
[13:42] <ForgeAus> I was updating with appler and policykit come in instead of kdesudo
[13:42] <eurmzx> It remains that way till you check out the notification
[13:42] <ForgeAus> yes I can run X (unless kdm doesn't use X)
[13:43] <ForgeAus> because KDM itself is about the only thing that seems to be working fine right now
[13:43] <Joit> sry eurmzx no idea
[13:45] <Joit> well, dunno ForgeAus, i would may try to fix broken packages or to repair a broken system with the cd. i fortunatly didnt have a lot problems like this. so not much experience
[13:45] <neweruser123> test
[13:46] <Joit> neweruser123:  when you can read this then you are not here
[13:47] <eurmzx> So, I got another problem. The sound menu shows two devices, Redwood HDMI Series Audio and Built In Analog Stereo. Built in Analog Stereo is the one used for sound (apparently?) but the sound function keys changes the volume of Redwood HDMI Series and not Analog Stereo. However, I can go to mixer and manually change it's volume.
[13:56] <neweruser123> i am here
[13:56] <neweruser123> i was doing something irl
[13:57] <Joit> np i was only j/k
[13:58] <neweruser123> this kubuntu is to much problem for me
[13:58] <neweruser123> how do i remove it
[14:00] <neweruser123> Joit?
[14:02] <Joit> either install 11.10 or put a other system into your cdrom and format the harddisc
[14:02] <neweruser123> so basically i put a windows CD inside and format the whole HDD? wont I lose windows 7 isntallation
[14:03] <neweruser123> the reason i want to remove kubuntu so i can switch to Linux mINT oR Ubuntu
[14:03] <Joit> do you have w7 at the hdd allready installed?
[14:03] <neweruser123> it might solve my audio problems
[14:03] <neweruser123> yes W7 installed
[14:03] <Joit> then you can format the partitions with the other linux distribution
[14:04] <Joit> you only need to know on which partition your kuubuntu is installed, to choose it at the new install, and format thi part new
[14:04] <neweruser123> ok when i go into a program likeGpareted there are so many kubuntu paritions
[14:04] <neweruser123> do i remove all of them?
[14:04] <Joit> you can specify the partition
[14:04] <Joit> partman can do that too
[14:05] <Joit> partitionmanager from kde does show it more clear too
[14:09] <mme> hello all
[14:09] <Joit> hello one
[14:09] <mme> hihi hi funny
[14:09] <mme> hello Joit
[14:09] <Joit> hello mme
[14:10] <Joit> btw, i am no bot :P
[14:10] <mme> i m a computerist installing linux ubuntu for friends of me
[14:10] <mme> and also irc
[14:11] <Joit> nice, just ubuntu? i do thinking about, if i should trow 11,10 over my 10
[14:11] <Joit> btw, i am no bot :
[14:11] <Joit> ups
[14:11] <mme> because the woman for who is the owner pc needhelp
[14:11] <forgeaus> back :)
[14:11] <Joit> i like kubuntu more with kde
[14:12] <mme> joit u don't know that ubntu 12.04 is there?
[14:12] <Joit> hope she sponsors you well with cockie and coffee
[14:12] <Joit> wb forge
[14:12] <mme> the LTS
[14:12] <Joit> mme, i do, but i have it allready on a 2nd pc
[14:12] <forgeaus> me too Joit :)
[14:12] <mme> www.ubuntu.com
[14:12] <mme> oki
[14:13] <Joit> anyhow not sure, which one is better, because 12 is to young maybe?
[14:13] <mme> there is a trouble of stability with 12.04 :(
[14:13] <Joit> i miss some things in 12 at the menu
[14:13] <forgeaus> ok so now I need to know how to either replace policykit back with kdesudo, or to make a root password
[14:13] <mme> she crash
[14:14] <mme> yes too young i send the repport error to developpers
[14:14] <mme> so bye bye see u soon
[14:23] <forgeaus> is there no klamav anymore?
[14:23] <IdleOne> clamav
[14:23] <forgeaus> getting that
[14:24] <forgeaus> but does it have a kde front end?
[14:24] <IdleOne> should work fine
[14:24] <forgeaus> there used to be KlamAV
[14:25] <IdleOne> http://sourceforge.net/projects/klamav/
[14:25] <IdleOne> doesn't appear to be in the repos though
[14:42] <jacky> IdleOne: package it :P
[14:42] <IdleOne> jacky: I'm not the one who wanted it :)
[14:45] <jacky> Ah, sorry ;P
[14:45]  * jacky downloads sources.
[14:45] <jacky> I wonder, if it's not too big; I'd package it.
[14:45] <jacky> Just a matter of keeping the PPA up to date, you know.
[14:49] <ikonia> and that's why PPA's suck as it's much more of a matter than "just keeping it up to date"
[14:50] <jacky> How so?
[14:51] <ikonia> doesn't matter, I'll just make a note to keep clear of that one
[14:52] <jacky> alrighty then, going to keep my questions to meself then.
[15:00] <goddard> is strigi ever gonna be done?
[15:03] <forgeaus> probably not :)
[15:03] <forgeaus> kidding I have no idea
[15:06] <goddard> i just turned it off
[15:07] <goddard> been going for like 6 days
[16:30] <GH0> How can I remove the config files that are installed with samba to start from scratch?
[16:30] <GH0> sudo apt-get purge doesn't want to remove them for some reason.
[16:30] <GH0> Removing samba, deleting the folder, and reinstalling samba also does not replace the folders.
[16:39] <BluesKaj> I'm trying to rename my external drive ,completely. It shows as external after renaming it with: sudo e2label /dev/sdf1 External , but when I drag it to the desktop , icon view shows the same series of letters and numbers that I was trying to rename in the fist place
[16:40] <ybit> GH0: have you checked for config files elsewhere unsing find ~/ -iname *samba* or sudo updatedb && locate samba?
[16:40] <EvilResistance> BluesKaj:  might be linking the folder which may be using that string
[16:41] <ybit> BluesKaj: that's really interesting
[16:41] <EvilResistance> BluesKaj:  i know with un-named drives it gets mounted like /media/0AC34DEADBEEF or w/e the string is normally
[16:41] <ybit> BluesKaj: maybe ask in ##linux, i sure don't know
[16:41] <EvilResistance> (even on servers or CLI, default mount is like that)
[16:41] <ybit> i'm curious though :)
[16:41] <EvilResistance> ybit:  this is the correct channel for him to ask, normally :P
[16:41] <EvilResistance> the alternative channel is #ubuntu :p
[16:41] <ybit> ##linux for when #kubuntu and #ubuntu fail :)
[16:41]  * EvilResistance calls ##linux the last-resort support area for Ubuntu and its derivatives
[16:42] <EvilResistance> i think BluesKaj is boycotting #ubuntu though :P
[16:42] <EvilResistance> but i digres
[16:42]  * EvilResistance returns to coding
[16:42] <ybit> for those who are biting at the nails for my virtualbox error yesterday...
[16:43] <ybit> when i did: apt-get remove virtualbox* && apt-get purge virtualbox* #and then downloaded and installed the generic linux version from the Virtualbox website
[16:43] <ybit> s/when/what
[16:44] <BluesKaj> EvilResistance, not boycotting , ubuntu just not relavent to me anymore , and one little mistake and I have the correction trolls on my case...that's as far I want to go about it .
[16:44] <ybit> all the virtual machines seem to work now
[16:44] <EvilResistance> same difference :P
[16:44] <ybit> i think there's so much traffic in #ubuntu it's hard for everyone to get help
[16:45] <ybit> i.e. your requests are a lot of times missed
[16:45] <EvilResistance> i think we can discuss this in #k-offtopic instead :P
[16:45] <ybit> oh :)
[16:45] <BluesKaj> well ,maybe to you , EvilResistance , but ybit makes agood point as well
[16:45] <EvilResistance> BluesKaj:  indeed.
[16:45] <EvilResistance> BluesKaj:  this is why i'm in about ten ubuntu channels xD
[16:47] <BluesKaj> I have some probs of my that need attn right now anyway , so I'm in the "need support mode", rather than in the "support mode"  :)
[16:51] <forgeaus> ybit I had no problem in pangolin getting virtualbox
[16:51] <forgeaus> however I did have to add the extensions to it and add my user to the vboxusers group
[16:51] <forgeaus> but everything seems to work even with an unsupported guest like macOSX
[16:52] <forgeaus> (considering my Host is not an apple machine)
[16:52] <forgeaus> and if you want help for virtualbox, I think there's a vbox channel
[16:56] <cbrunos> hi
[16:57] <cbrunos> will kde 4.8.3 be available on kubuntu 12.04 through the official repos eventually, or will I need to add the kubuntu updates ppa?
[16:59] <ybit> forgeaus: huh... i wonder if the vboxusers group had been created before or after the new virtualbox installation
[16:59] <ybit> forgeaus: there is a vbox channel
[17:00] <ybit> i just state problems in here for other kubuntu users who might come across the same problem
[17:00] <forgeaus> what was your problem?
[17:01] <ybit> life or kubuntu problems? ;)
[17:01] <ybit> one sec
[17:02] <ybit> cbrunos: i don't know
[17:02]  * ybit wonders how stable the kubuntu updates ppa is
[17:02] <forgeaus> its ok I don't need to know I had enough problems of my own
[17:03] <xixor> cbrunos: no idea.  the fact that 4.8.3 is in the staging area of the kubuntu ppa implies to me that it is slated for incorporation into the official repository.  not sure on the time frame for that though
[17:03] <forgeaus> cbrunos: well the other way would be to get a rolling release distro lol :)
[17:03] <cbrunos> thanks for the details, xixor and ybit
[17:03] <forgeaus> but kubuntu isn't one of those so either A) wait, or B) find a ppa
[17:04] <cbrunos> forgeaus: no thanks, I already used Arch in the past, and it was not always a pleasant experience
[17:04] <xixor> ybit, cbrunos : I updated to 4.8.3 on the kubuntu ppa.  I haven't had a chance to use it, but I am a bit apprensive now that I think about it..  I hope it is stable
[17:05] <ybit> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.8.3 implies that packages are moved from unstable ¿or dev branch? to stable branch as they become...stable
[17:05] <forgeaus> cbrunos: I was thinking more along the lines of PCLinuxOS
[17:05] <forgeaus> but yes well arch well I only installed it as a chroot, so it was kinda, not much use to me
[17:05] <ybit> i'm not sure how kubuntu decides to upgrade the kde release.. maybe when all the packages have been tested?
[17:05] <forgeaus> still pacman was an experience
[17:05] <cbrunos> forgeaus: I could take a look at it, but for now, I do not see the benefits in changing distros
[17:06] <forgeaus> cbrunos: neither do I why do you think I'm using Kubuntu? :)
[17:06] <forgeaus> unlike you I don't so much care how recent or not its KDE is so much ...
[17:06] <ybit> i tested ~10 kde distros in the past couple of months and i'm here now
[17:06] <forgeaus> hmm in that case I probably should look at going mint
[17:07] <ybit> i'm just more productive in kubuntu
[17:07] <ybit> fedora's community is awesome
[17:07] <cbrunos> actually, I could live without any update to KDE SC, but since 4.8.3 seems to be mainly bugfixes, it would still be nice to eventually get it
[17:07] <forgeaus> Kubuntu also feels far more integrated than something like PCLinux does
[17:07] <ybit> and a lot of the opensuse guys are great
[17:07] <forgeaus> PCLinux feels like the KDE is less deeply part of the OS,
[17:08] <forgeaus> ugh RPM distros! EEK!
[17:08] <ybit> mandriva has the prettiest start menu
[17:08] <ybit> ...but you can build SimpleWelcome in kubuntu..
[17:08] <forgeaus> I read something that KDE5 is coming at some point
[17:09] <forgeaus> kinda breaks the whole KDE4Win and KDE4Mac though :)
[17:09] <ybit> check out their start menu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-qUtor42Ek
[17:09] <ybit> love the integration of nepomuk in their document view
[17:09] <cbrunos> I barely use the start menu
[17:09] <cbrunos> krunner is pretty nice
[17:10] <ybit> same, but i was looking for something to hand out at booths
[17:10] <cbrunos> hum ok
[17:10] <xixor> ybit: I've been wanting to try opensuse.  I am mainly a kubuntu or debian user myself
[17:10] <ybit> xixor: i like opensuse a lot.. someone needs to fix webpin, they ship it broken
[17:10] <forgeaus> that is not a start MENU thats gnome
[17:10] <forgeaus> ubuntu has that
[17:10] <ybit> and have been for several releases
[17:11] <christian___> #ubuntu
[17:11] <ybit> forgeaus: that is a start menu, that isn't gnome
[17:11] <forgeaus> but its default is unity instead
[17:12] <forgeaus> well then its some minor customization of Gnome then
[17:12] <ybit> lol, no it isn't, this was out way before any of the other implementations :)
[17:13] <forgeaus> ok then gnome drew its inspiration from that then
[17:14] <ybit> i dunno, often everyone is thinking the same thing at the same time...
[17:17] <Ezim> ybit, mandriva was before veery polished kde distro. hope rosa team can make it good again.
[17:18] <Ezim> but then again we always have the best ubuntu based kde distro. kubuntu :).
[17:22] <eurmzx> Is there any KDE Video Player that automatically downloads subtitles, kinda like the VLC plugin?
[18:41] <old_chap> does anyone know how to make network manager to store wi-fi password to kwallet (12.04)
[18:42] <old_chap> 11.10 I did not have any problems but now I have to manually set password in network manager every time after reboot
[18:43] <AtoxHybrid> I've installed precise, but now my screen turns off after 3 seconds of inactivity, anybody knows why?
[18:43] <AtoxHybrid> so I have to keep moving my mouse around for the screen to not turn black
[18:44] <old_chap> and display/power saving options do not help?
[18:44] <AtoxHybrid> nothing there, everything is disabled
[18:45] <old_chap> an no problem before upgrade?
[18:45] <AtoxHybrid> nop
[18:46] <AtoxHybrid> seems I fixed it by turning on "screen energy saving"
[18:46] <old_chap> I have had lot of problems after upgrades with Nvidia hardware
[18:46] <old_chap> usually reinstalling proprietary drivers have helped
[18:46] <AtoxHybrid> amd here
[18:47] <old_chap> have you checked additional drivers from System
[18:48] <old_chap> are you using laptop?
[18:48] <old_chap> have you activated additional laptop power savings?
[19:30] <xixor> Hm.......
[19:30] <xixor> should I buy a system76 laptop?
[19:36] <Asia> hey
[19:36] <Asia> do You know how to makes hibernate work on 12.04
[19:36] <Asia> in my case it only lock screen
[19:36] <semitones_tea> there's a recipe to re-enable it I think
[19:37] <semitones_tea> !hibernate
[19:37] <Asia> yea
[19:37] <Asia> but I had that option in menu
[19:37] <Asia> but it only lock my screen
[19:38] <Asia> in my second laptop it work out of box
[19:38] <xixor> I've never managed to get hibernate to work in any linux
[19:39] <Asia> here I have to run in terminal
[19:39] <Asia> sudo ps-hibernate, but console and admin passwd isnt nice
[19:39] <xixor> I've given up doing anything with linux except trying to run 24/7 at full throttle
[19:39] <Asia> so Its You
[19:40] <Asia> but I thoutgh that kubuntu will be great for netbooks
[19:40] <Asia> but its quite hard
[19:40] <semitones_tea> does this work? http://askubuntu.com/questions/94754/how-to-enable-hibernation-in-12-04
[19:40] <semitones_tea> remember hibernate was disabled because it didn't work very well :/
[19:45] <Asia> I'll try thanks
[19:55] <Asia> hibernating works back again
[19:55] <Asia> better performance with tux on ice
[19:55] <Asia> :D
[19:55] <Asia> thx
[20:17] <Randomuser999913> Hello. I had firefox installed and added the Icon from Kickoff launcher to the panel. Having removed Firefox using the dpkg command from terminal, I seem to be unable to remove the firefox icon from the panel. If I start it, it claims I'm missing a .desktop file under ~/.local/share/applications named firefox.desktop. I tried to recreate the file, but it refused to remove the icon still (I have googled about this). I tried to reinstall firefox and
[20:17] <Randomuser999913>  run it, but I still cannot remove it from the panel. I click on the litle "X" icon and it shows "Remove Icon" but nothing happens. Help?
[20:18] <Randomuser999913> I'm using KDE 4.8 under Kubuntu 12.04
[20:20] <lordievader> Good evening
[20:20] <Ezim> Randomuser999913, have you tried unluck the panel?
[20:20] <Ezim> thats why you can not remove icons on the panel
[20:21] <Randomuser999913> Yes, I have. if I hadn't I wouldn't have been able to find the "x" to remove the icon.
[20:22] <Randomuser999913> I'm not new to linux, although I'm pretty new to KDE (As in this is the first time I'm using it as a DE). It seems to be a bug. I can reproduce this by removing any desktop file,  and if I reinsert them, I cannot remove the icon still. I did some googling, and it looks like this was a bug that was fixed a while back, although apparently it wasn't.
[20:22] <Ezim> Randomuser999913, can you take screenshot and show us?
[20:22] <Randomuser999913> What file do I have to manually edit, or is there some other way?
[20:23] <Ezim> Randomuser999913, are you using kde 4.8.2 or 4.8.3 from the ppa?
[20:23] <Randomuser999913> 4.8.3 from the PPA. I used 4.8.2 but upgraded to see if that bug would be fixed. It isn't :x
[20:24] <Ezim> I am running 4.8.2 with no such problem
[20:24] <Randomuser999913> http://osdir.com/ml/plasma-bugs/2011-12/msg02383.html
[20:25] <Randomuser999913> I'm not the only one that has had this experience, but AFAIK, it had been fixed.
[20:25] <Ezim> Randomuser999913, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1469243
[20:26] <Ezim> you can try zoels answer
[20:26] <Randomuser999913> Ok, will try now
[20:28] <Ezim> Randomuser999913, or if you wanted. add a new standard panel.
[20:29] <Ezim> thats the easiest way
[20:32] <Randomuser999913> Well, I did it and had a fresh reboot.I now got a standard kde desktop.
[20:37] <Ezim> Randomuser999913, good. now add things you like :).
[20:37] <Randomuser999913> Yes, thank you. I hope it does not reproduce
[20:41] <Ezim> Randomuser999913, np.
[21:11] <kavurt> it looks like i need help
[21:11] <kavurt> i'm trying to update my kubuntu
[21:11] <kavurt> i'm getting an error:
[21:12] <kavurt> Errors were encountered while processing:
[21:12] <kavurt> libqt4-designer:i386
[21:12] <EvilResistance> !paste | kavurt
[21:13] <EvilResistance> kavurt:  does it give you any additional details?
[21:13] <EvilResistance> it should somewhere in there
[21:14] <kavurt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/972250/
[21:14] <kavurt> this is what i'm getting
[21:14] <kavurt> i tried apt-get -f install
[21:14] <kavurt> apt-get clean
[21:15] <kavurt> and couldn't find anything online
[21:45] <nook> Hi, i have some Trouble with Wine(PlayOLinx) on 12.04. every program i try to start crash with  //translated error message// "internal Error - invalide parameter"  orginal Germen Error MSG: "Interner Fehler - ungültige Parameter empfangen"
[21:46] <nook> I allrady reinstalled my system but wine running still in the same error :-( Can somewon help me to find a fixx for this? :-)
[21:46] <LuizAngioletti> Folks, does any one know where can I find the 'krunner' source code? Is it in a different set as kdebase-workspace on launchpad?
[21:56] <LuizAngioletti> nobody?
[22:37] <sizz> I have a dual monitor setup using the nvidia-settings. The problem is that many games want to only run stretched across both screens. Anyone know how to get them to run on a single monitor?
[22:58] <nook> sizz: try to set the duals screen setting ober the KDE options
[22:58] <nook> works for me
[23:03] <sizz> settings -> display & monitor -> multiple monitors. currently all five boxes are checked. do i uncheck one of them?
[23:25] <artao> hello ... my LAN cable accidentally came unplugged, unbeknownst to me .. I went to browse new widgets and (obviously) it failed to load the list .. .. .. NOW however, tho the LAN is indeed operational again, I can't get the online widget list to refresh ... ... is there a way to force it to refresh?
[23:30] <xixor> k00bn00bt00
[23:50] <goddard> how can i use the image viewer to set my desktop image/
[23:52] <Lee2010> Does anyone know why the version of clementine in the repos doesn't support spotify?
[23:53] <Resistance> Lee2010:  that'd be a question to ask the maintainers of that program i think
[23:53] <Resistance> perhaps they removed the support from the source code?
[23:56] <Lee2010> I wonder why they would do that...
[23:57] <Resistance> i'm not one of the devs, and i dont know whether it was removed or not, you'd have to check with their dev(s) or file a bug against it if you think it should have support
[23:57] <Resistance> and if you file a bug, and they removed that support, then they'll mark it as won't fix
[23:57] <Lee2010> Where would I file a bug report?
[23:59] <Resistance> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clementine/+filebug  <-- IF the bug is against the clementine package


[04:28] <sagaci> Hi
[07:31] <ikt> Heya sagaci :)
[12:03] <head_victim> Anyone here have the gift of the gab? I am trying to prepare a sign up sheet for the LCA Open Day. I was hoping for some input - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/LCA2011Brisbane/SignUpSheet
[14:08] <sagaci> Morning
[14:39] <ikt> heya sagaci :)
[14:43] <sagaci> Wonder why they opted for this really long alph
[14:43] <sagaci> a stage
[14:44] <sagaci> Fair enough if it was for an lts
[14:46] <ikt> I didn't realise the alpha stage had changed
[14:46] <sagaci> Remember back in the day when there were 6 alphas
[14:47] <ikt> yea
[14:47] <sagaci> That was crazy
[14:48] <ikt> true, the thing was to me
[14:48] <ikt> it wasn't a very good way of ensuring quality testing
[14:49] <ikt> I still don't like having 1 week between RC and final
[14:50] <sagaci> Too short?
[14:50] <ikt> yeah definitely
[14:50] <ikt> I see bugs come up on LP
[14:50] <ikt> huge bugs and they say, not enough time, delayed till next release
[14:50] <ikt> makes me -_- every time
[14:50] <sagaci> RC week is when most of the fixing seems to take place
[14:52] <sagaci> But in saying that i've been pretty impressed with releases shaping up in so little time
[22:23] <ikt> morning sagaci :)
[22:25] <sagaci> Nice day here
[22:27] <ikt> whereis here?


[16:59] <kaka> hi everybody
[17:00] <kaka> my ubuntu showing 69 packages can be updated  30 updates are security updates
[17:00] <kaka> how to do this


[00:12] <ScottL> cjohnston, lol
[00:13] <cjohnston> ;-)
[00:13]  * cjohnston isn't even really sure who ScottL is or what he does.. just sounds like fun
[00:19]  * nigelb notes today in calender.
[00:19] <nigelb> Today is the rarest  of rare days when <10 people in my FB are online :p
[00:20] <nigelb> jcastro: oh, did you notice the css on the tracks page was slightly broken?
[00:20] <nigelb> (the uds site)
[00:56] <ScottL> cjohnston, i am currently the ubuntu studio project lead :)
[00:56] <cjohnston> sweet
[00:56] <ScottL> nobody else seemed to want to do it, so i accepted the responsibility
[00:56] <cjohnston> gotcha
[00:56] <ScottL> i've learned gads about many things ubuntu :P
[00:57]  * cjohnston needs to learn more things about ubuntu
[00:57] <cjohnston> lol
[01:59] <doctormo> ScottL: You're a hero
[02:13] <ScottL> lol doctormo, i'm not sure if you're being funny or serious
[02:26] <JanC> ScottL: if your work on "Ubuntu Studio" benefits Ubuntu proper, you are a hero, period  ;)
[03:04] <doctormo> ScottL: Dead serious, you saw an opertunity to make things better and took it by taking responsibility.
[04:06] <ScottL> thank you JanC and doctormo  :)
[08:24] <kim0> morning folks
[08:31] <dpm> hey kim0, good morning!
[08:32] <dpm> morning #community
[08:32] <kim0> o/
[09:11] <duanedesign> morning all
[09:21] <czajkowski> aloha folks
[09:22] <nigelb> ~0~
[09:33] <nigelb> duanedesign: poke?
[09:43] <dpm> good morning duanedesign, czajkowski and nigelb!
[09:49] <duanedesign> nigelb: emon
[09:52] <nigelb> morning dpm
[10:06] <vish> duanedesign: "emon"  like EBook ,  Emorn? ;)
[10:07] <popey> morning all
[10:13] <duanedesign> vish: pokemon
[10:13] <duanedesign> poke....emon
[10:13] <vish> oh! lol!
[10:13] <duanedesign> :P
[11:07] <JFo> \o/
[11:08] <popey> drat!  (I've seen time, but not date)
[16:18] <nigelb> jcastro: Lets bribe nhandler or Pici to do that.
[16:18] <jussi> Pendulum: sat
[16:18] <nigelb> jcastro: s/ban/k-line
[16:18] <jussi> nigelb: saudly I have access, so you would need a staffer.
[16:18] <nigelb> jussi: nhandler is staffer
[16:19]  * jussi is just making pavlova for the wedding
[16:19] <Pendulum> jussi: I'm sure it would not be hard to find a staffer willing to assist :P
[16:19] <nigelb> or, czajkowski do you know a staffer who could k-line somone till he's married ? ;)
[16:19] <jussi> Pendulum: lol
[16:19] <Pendulum> nigelb: don't worry, I can think of quite a few who could be asked if necessary
[16:20] <nigelb> jussi: So, consider your notice served :p
[16:20] <Pendulum> jussi: isn't it nice to know we care? :P
[16:20] <nigelb> haha, exactly!
[16:21] <jussi> meh
[16:21]  * Pendulum hugs jussi
[16:21] <czajkowski> hah
[16:21] <nigelb> All in favor say aye!
[16:22] <nigelb> aye \o/
[16:23] <nigelb> ok, going home.  Back later.
[16:29] <sense> good afternoon
[16:30] <dpm> hey sense
[16:30] <sense> hi dpm
[16:35] <akgraner> jcastro, we just lost a session for Tuesday for app dev week :-( the 1800 hour slot..  Maybe he hates Elvis
[18:59] <highvoltage> I would never tell someone who has axe murdering eyes that they have axe murdering eyes... what if they turn out to be an axe murderer!?
[18:59] <vish> lol!
[19:00] <jcastro> wow, 2pm. I guess now would be a good time to take lunch
[19:01] <Technoviking> think it is time for some BBQ for lunch, ribs or some brisket
[19:01] <Technoviking> omomomom!!!
[19:04] <highvoltage> Technoviking: I'd recommend that, since tomorrow is national bbq day in south africa :)
[19:04] <highvoltage> (and I'm going to practice it even though in canada currently)
[19:05] <jcastro> highvoltage: how does one do that? with vuvuzelas?
[19:07] <highvoltage> jcastro: lol. if you want your neighbours to hate you!
[19:12]  * czajkowski has a day of interviews in microsoft tomorrow to promote open source
[19:12] <sense> Go czajkowski!
[22:05] <jcastro> <-- EOD
[22:10] <paultag> ^D
[22:55] <jono> Technoviking, ping?
[23:57] <doctormo> Not much going on today?