[00:21] <gharbeia> hello there, can some one help me caim a design that I just uploaded before I figured out I could log in?
[00:22] <gharbeia> This is my account: http://spreadubuntu.org/en/users/gharbeia and the design http://spreadubuntu.org/en/node/894


[01:50] <bluesabre> release-team, just want to verify with you all... we (xubuntu) have been carrying the development releases of xfce4-power-manager (1.3.x) for utopic, and the stable release (1.4.0) is now available. It consists of bug fixes.  Since the version number is a leap to stable, just want to get the stamp of approval.
[02:02] <tumbleweed> bluesabre: we care about contents, not version numbers. If the contents are only bug fixes, and there is no cause to suspect incompatibilities, you're good to go
[02:03] <bluesabre> tumbleweed: thanks, I figured as much. Didn't want to have to "apologize to the release team" ;)
[02:15] <ScottK> bluesabre: How's it work with upower 0.99?
[02:16] <bluesabre> ScottK, the depends would have to be swapped to >= 0.99, otherwise fine...
[02:17] <bluesabre> though the Xubuntu team is currently opposed to the transition to upower 0.99 this late in the utopic cycle
[02:17] <ScottK> I'm wondering since you Xubuntu folks reacted pretty strongly.
[02:17] <ScottK> I got that.
[02:17] <ScottK> I didn't know if it was based on actual testing and problems or fear alone.
[02:20] <bluesabre> Mainly the risk of possible regressions. We have a limited testing group and the updated upower is largely untested in the xfce components (patches were only added very recently)
[02:21] <bluesabre> Also, the updated gnome stack has the potential of other untested components landing as well
[02:21] <bluesabre> (untested for us anyway)
[02:22] <bluesabre> So from project lead, qa lead, and technical lead, we are all vary wary of the changes that the transition may bring
[02:22] <bluesabre> *very
[02:23] <bluesabre> ochosi_ ^
[02:24] <ScottK> Right, so what's the impact on Gnome of not updating?
[02:24] <ScottK> Maybe they'd be motivated to help testing Xubuntu to mitigate your risk?
[02:26] <bluesabre> Right, and it clearly has a significant impact on them, so this would be good for further discussion with both teams
[02:31] <bluesabre> The xubuntu team was really only made aware of this potential change recently, and indeed, the bug report only updated to [FFe] status 3 days ago
[02:31] <skellat> ScottK, bluesabre: The impact on Gnome is that they miss landing GNOME 3.12 well after Feature Freeze too
[02:33] <skellat> They would still ship 3.8 components
[02:53] <ScottK> Not 3.10?
[02:54] <skellat> ScottK: We were told they would be stuck at the same components they shipped in UG14.04
[02:54] <ScottK> OK.
[02:54] <ScottK> Do they want to update at this point?
[02:55] <skellat> We were informed that upower was the last thing they needed to land GNOME 3.12 so they could have it in 14.10
[02:55] <skellat> Pardon me, one of the last things
[06:03] <mlankhorst> morning
[10:01] <mlankhorst> infinity: hm as far as I can tell I didn't break kwin
[10:02] <mlankhorst> seems to work just fine, but I'll try the other drivers too just to be sure
[10:22] <mlankhorst> compiz 32-bits seems to work too
[14:59] <jzheng> hi SRU team (not sure who is still online)
[15:00] <jzheng> there is an SRU for ubuntukylin-theme in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text= for a long time. So I wonder if anyone from SRU team can have time to help approve it? It is for Ubuntu Kylin 14.04
[16:20] <infinity> mlankhorst: That's good news, then.
[16:35] <jamespage> those three are covered under bug 1369927
[18:46] <mlankhorst> yeah


[14:08] <bittin> not getting the ZFS kernel modules loaded with the 5.10.6 kernel :(
[19:30] <enyc> hrrrrrrm .......
[19:41] <enyc> Curious how situation has come about where  5.8 kernel came out as hwe kernel to ubuntu users...  before  bcmwl-kernel-source nvidia-340 virtualbox-dkms  changed to be compatible with this....
[19:41] <enyc> Right things not being auto-tested somewhere?
[19:44] <jeremy31> It is strange that linux-generic-hwe-20.04 is installed rather than linux-generic
[20:41] <enyc> jeremy31: whats' the history of your particualr 20.04 install?  old isa_ updated from ubuntu 20.04 ?   which image?  how much otre twe, kernel, othrewise you installed before?
[20:42] <jeremy31> It is an ISO dated in April, the kernel package installed explains why the 5.8 was installed
[20:58] <enyc> jeremy31: oooh i esee, yes ok.  Maybe that is a decision that was made for 'desktop' user installs?  Do you get -hwe xorg and otherwise too?
[20:59] <jeremy31> enyc: I didn't check for xorg-hwe


[00:08] <darkxst> jbicha, they should be right now
[03:04] <SonikkuAmerica> Hey! (Wow, this is all of us?)
[03:19] <SonikkuAmerica> !enlightenment is !e
[17:41] <JDBuntu> using gnome shell with ubuntu 12.10 can anyone suggest the best way to get a link to a specific folder put in the dock?  Not just the files link, but a link to a specific folder that will launch that location when clicked?
[17:42] <SonikkuAmerica> Are you talking about the dock in Activities?
[17:43] <JDBuntu> yes
[17:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Hold on a second. Let me switch to Shell. (I'm using Fallback rt now)
[17:44] <JDBuntu> thanks!
[17:46] <SonikkuAmerica2> (I'm back)
[17:47] <SonikkuAmerica2> Check out this link on StackExchange: http://askubuntu.com/questions/40382/how-to-add-a-folder-to-the-favorites-bar-in-gnome-shell
[17:47] <JDBuntu> thank you
[17:47] <SonikkuAmerica2> It's for GNOME 3.0 but I would assume it still works in 3.6
[17:48] <SonikkuAmerica2> Also, I would use gedit rather than nano if you don't wanna mess with the terminal
[17:49] <JDBuntu> I'm good with nano
[18:12] <JDBuntu> SonikkuAmerica - thank I got it sorted
[18:12] <SonikkuAmerica> Awesome.
[18:13] <JDBuntu> That is annoying.  I think that they should have a better solution for that...
[18:13] <JDBuntu> I love gnome shell, but come on.
[18:13] <SonikkuAmerica> Take it up with the GNOME 3 team.
[18:13] <JDBuntu> right!
[18:13] <JDBuntu> anyway.  thank you!
[18:13] <SonikkuAmerica> You're welcome.
[20:19] <darkxst> jbicha, are you seeing uscan choking on whitespace in watch files?
[20:19] <darkxst> it just started today ;(
[20:24] <jbicha> darkxst: no, I haven't seen that but I haven't run uscan directly in quite a while
[20:25] <jbicha> I use "bzr mu" with debian directory only packaging like is done with the ubuntu-desktop team branches
[20:27] <jbicha> that workflow is sort of documented at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bzr but I think that page is kind of confusing
[20:30] <jbicha> darkxst: I'm working on converting the -games back to cdbs
[20:31] <darkxst> jbicha, ok
[20:31] <darkxst> gnome-screenshot http://pastebin.com/5hfkfMkY
[20:32] <jbicha> except for some boilerplate in debian/rules and using debian/control.in it's not that much more complicated
[20:33] <jbicha> dh7 format is really nice though
[21:38] <SonikkuAmerica> One sec
[21:40] <SonikkuAmerica> e.e


[00:16] <Lutin> ScottK: you'll need to ACK the sync request for edje too, otherwise we still have a rdep on libeina-svn-01
[00:16] <ScottK> Lutin: I did that one too.
[00:17] <ScottK> Lutin: I guess I missed the bug when I was looking through the list.
[00:17] <ScottK> It's in binary New right now.
[00:20] <Lutin> ScottK: great, thanks
[06:48] <pabs3> anyone know who to contact about the webserver on packages.ubuntu.com being down?
[07:49] <YokoZar> What's the name of the new volume applet?  I want to report a bug on it
[07:53] <hyperair>  gnome-volume-control-applet, if i'm not mistaken
[07:53] <hyperair> wait lemme dpkg -S it
[07:53] <hyperair> package is gnome-media
[07:53] <YokoZar> hyperair: thanks
[10:50] <YokoZar> ArneGoetje: I have a package that went from producing a .ttf to a .otf on a minor version upgrade.  Is this due to a build tool changing or the package itself?  I was originally going to just drop teh .ttf and link to our system-provided one, but now it's a .otf and I'm not sure
[12:11] <cumulus007> Hi, I'm wondering if it's possible to translate the text shown in the slideshow during the installation of Ubuntu 9.10
[12:13] <cumulus007> I found a bug about this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/425008
[12:14] <cumulus007> never mind, I found the solution :)
[14:39] <ArneGoetje> YokoZar: whether it's .ttf or .otf doesn't matter that much. TTF is a subset of OTF. fontforge can handle both formats. In fact, most modern .ttf fonts are actually OTF fonts if they use the GSUB or GPOS tables. However, the filename extension doesn't matter. Maybe the .ttf has been renamed to .otf to make clear that the .ttf is actually a OTF. :) Whatever, it's still the same font.
[18:06] <Stenudd> Hello, having problem open the QT Designer file(.ui) for the gnome-panel clock applet, running ubuntu 9.04 and installed QT 4 Designer. It says it's not a valid file..
[18:07] <Stenudd> Someone know anything about this?
[18:13] <Stenudd> Invalid ui file: The root element is missing.
[18:23] <hyperair> Stenudd: it's not a qt designer file.
[18:23] <hyperair> Stenudd: it's a gtkbuilder file.
[18:23] <hyperair> Stenudd: you open it in glade-3
[18:23] <Stenudd> hyperair, Thank you :)
[18:25] <Stenudd> hyperair, I'll try that, i thought it was strange it be in QT Designer, 2.24 files was in glade with the extension .glade
[18:28] <hyperair> Stenudd: well glade is deprecated, and gnome things will never use qt.
[18:30] <Stenudd> ^^
[18:31] <hyperair> well at least not without lots of flames and developers jumping ship
[19:30] <Turl> fta: hi, may I PM you?
[21:00] <Ryan52> asac: okay, I'll fix it the easy way I guess, just so that it's fixed for now.
[21:15] <TomaszD> hello Ubuntu devs, it's that time of the year again. I've been doing this for the past 4 years and I'll probably keep doing this until someone fixes this once and for all, but it would seem that Ubuntu-specific applications have translation problems, again. update-manager has an incomplete translation template, as well as gnome-app-install. computer-janitor basically doesn't have a translation template as the interface is all new, but no new tem
[21:15] <TomaszD> plate, the new "Logic" submenu in Games is left untranslatable, the "ibus" package is in main, but there is no translation template available...
[21:15] <TomaszD> and this is just from a few moments of test driving it
[21:16] <TomaszD> I have reported these issues
[21:17] <TomaszD> but I'm trying to bring a general issue to light, and it's that not many people care too much about whether we have translatable apps or not.
[21:18] <TomaszD> in a unique twist of irony, the language-selector app does not make use of any translations, despite being fully translated in launchpad, I forgot about this thing
[21:24] <slangasek> TomaszD: missing translation templates should generally be reported as bugs against the packages in question
[21:24] <TomaszD> slangasek, I have done so already
[21:26] <slangasek> ok
[21:26] <slangasek> hmm, seems update-manager has quite a large set of bugs, no wonder that one hasn't been addressed :/
[21:26] <TomaszD> what I'm trying to point out is the lack of some sort of mechanism, a procedure that would prevent this from happening
[21:27] <slangasek> no such mechanism is possible in the general case
[21:27] <TomaszD> well, at least when a new package enters main, make sure you have the template in launchpad, something like that is possible
[21:27] <TomaszD> otherwise I do understand how all this works
[21:27] <slangasek> update-manager has a template, the problem is a bug in not getting the .pot properly regenerated
[21:28] <TomaszD> I am aware of that, only a part of the UI is available for translation
[21:28] <slangasek> computer-janitor confuses me, I'll have to look at that - I do remember it having i18n support
[21:28] <TomaszD> yes, it did have that support
[21:29] <TomaszD> now there's just a template in lp from the previous version
[21:30] <TomaszD> there should be a person or two assigned for strictly this, get ubuntu devel once in a while, check all installed applications for translation problems, report to the authors in question instead of going through the bug channel which is like drinking from the firehose, often people forget about these issues
[21:31] <slangasek> the bug channel is the correct way to report it to the authors
[21:32] <TomaszD> before every release I come here crying and begging to fix my reported bugs about the templates, without this it's usually too late, there are always more important problems to fix
[21:32] <slangasek> TomaszD: do you know David Planella?
[21:33] <TomaszD> slangasek, no.
[21:33] <slangasek> he's the Ubuntu Translations Coordinator; I think he might be a useful contact for you to have in escalating these issues
[21:33] <slangasek> https://launchpad.net/~dpm
[21:33] <TomaszD> yeah, I just found him
[21:35] <TomaszD> ah, a fellow GNOME translator, there's always an overlap
[22:12] <pvl1> hi everyone, im new to linux development, and I wanted to know how can I access something like Microsofts virtual keys using C++? i want to be able to read keyboard input
[22:14] <Turl> pvl1: have you tried std::cin ?
[22:14] <pvl1> nope, but i thought that std only returns chars?
[22:14] <Turl> it reads from the keyboard
[22:15] <Turl> http://augustcouncil.com/~tgibson/tutorial/iotips.html
[22:16] <pvl1> hm, i guess ill try that, but also, idk if its the same include scheme in linux as in XP. for example if i want to include the std, id do #include<iostream>, but idk if the path environment variable is set
[22:17] <slangasek> it doesn't "read from the keyboard", it reads the standard input; but this is not a channel for Linux development questions
[22:18] <pvl1> well i specifically plan to use ubuntu, so i thought it was an ubuntu specific question
[22:19] <pvl1> should i go to a linux devel chat?
[22:19] <Turl> slangasek: I'm no c++ guru :P
[22:19] <Turl> pvl1: you might try a C channel
[22:19] <Turl> c++, sorry
[22:19] <pvl1> hm, ill go look for one, thank you tho, ill stilll look into std cin tho
[22:20] <Turl> pvl1: #c++
[22:26] <pvl1> thnx
[22:42] <TomaszD> slangasek, while you're on a roll, you could also check out usb-creator, which has been broken for a while now as well https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/419069
[22:48] <nick125> Good afternoon. Would this be the appropriate place for someone looking to help out with Ubuntu development? I'm trying to find a place where I can help out.
[22:49] <lifeless> hi
[22:49] <lifeless> yes, or #ubuntu-motu
[22:49] <lifeless> what sort of things do you want to do?
[22:50] <nick125> Perhaps work on some Ubuntu applications, preferably written in Python/PyGTK.
[22:50] <lifeless> most applications we ship are written by upstreams - projects like Gnome, KDE and so on
[22:51] <lifeless> if you want to improve those applications, thats cool - but the best forum to do that in is the upstream project itself
[22:51] <mahfiaz> is it possible to manage launchpad translations oldfashioned way using svn?
[23:11] <nick125> lifeless: I was thinking of applications that don't necessarly have an upstream.
[23:12] <lifeless> mahfiaz: thats more a question for #launchpad
[23:13] <lifeless> nick125: uhm, I'm not really aware of any
[23:13] <mahfiaz> lifeless, thanks for the tip, I'll give it a try
[23:22] <nick125> lifeless: Ah well. I guess I should find an upstream that needs help...do you know of any?
[23:25] <lifeless> many :)
[23:25] <lifeless> probably best to pick something you have an interest in or use yourself
[23:26] <nick125> I just have plenty of freetime and I need to get back into software development, so I'm pretty open :)
[23:28] <mahfiaz> nick125, is there a specific range, where you feel yourself confident, like networking/user interfaces/kernel code/something else?
[23:28] <nick125> mahfiaz: I'd probably go higher-level, so probably UIs. I'm most experienced in Python, but I'm willing to learn.
[23:32] <mahfiaz> nick125, do you use ubuntu for your regular computing?
[23:33] <nick125> Yes, I do.
[23:33] <mahfiaz> and you haven't yourself stumbled on something you don't like?
[23:34] <mahfiaz> I am no system programmer, but I quite frequently file bug reports about missing or misbehaving features on programs
[23:36] <nick125> mahfiaz: I haven't found that much I haven't liked....perhaps I'm just used to things acting weirdly :)
[23:39] <mahfiaz> for example, pidgin has a nice plugin called "integration with evolution", which syncs IM contacts to evolution contacts, but ends up with several contacts in evolution, if contact's name isn't its address
[23:40] <mahfiaz> also, in evolution there is no easy "merge contacts" button
[23:40] <mahfiaz> there is no such button at all
[23:42] <mahfiaz> totem's handling of streams and other web content is a pain, it is unbearable at best
[23:43] <mahfiaz> rhythmbox crashes every time it has to play wma, when crossfading is enabled
[23:43] <mahfiaz> and on several other occassions too
[23:45] <mahfiaz> gtk is damn slow, when it has to show list of > 1000 elements, like it happens in rhythmbox jamendo view or just with enormous collection
[23:46] <mahfiaz> ubuntu's language support dialog exits without a notice, when dpkg is locked
[23:48] <TheMuso> mahfiaz: Have you considered filing bugs for these issues you have found?
[23:48] <mahfiaz> I have filed some
[23:49] <mahfiaz> this was not moaning, just to give nick125 some ideas :)
[23:49] <nick125> Hmm....have you filed a bug for the language support dialog? I can probably take a crack at that one :)
[23:49] <mahfiaz> no, I haven't
[23:50] <mahfiaz> I'll post a link back here soon, wait a second
[23:54] <mahfiaz> nick125, I checked it, it works now
[23:54] <mahfiaz> gives a nice error message
[23:56] <Turl> what's IBus, might I ask?
[23:57] <mahfiaz> it says about itself: IBus input method framework
[23:59] <mahfiaz> nick125, I think this was a false positive about the gnome-language-selector, this may have been caused by a upgrade of libc6 or something else,
[23:59] <nick125> Ah, quite possible.


[04:39] <krosswindz> I am trying to build a new kerne
[04:39] <krosswindz> kernel*
[04:40] <krosswindz> I am surprised that when I run debian/rules editconfigs it picksup armel as well when I am running armhf
[04:50] <twb> All I know is I get the upstream kernel and run "make deb-pkg"
[05:03] <krosswindz> twb: I am not sure if upstream has all the omap changes
[05:03] <krosswindz> that ubuntu has
[05:03] <twb> Shrug
[05:59] <krosswindz> Is anyone using any method to cool the pandaboard
[06:01] <krosswindz> I am building the kernel natively and dmesg is full of thermal messages
[06:01] <krosswindz> http://pastebin.com/JxrEkATz
[06:07] <twb> krosswindz: have you got yours inside a case at all?
[06:07] <twb> Does the panda's power brick have active cooling?
[06:07] <twb> (I don't have one)
[06:29] <krosswindz> twb: i dont have the panda in a case
[06:30] <krosswindz> twb: the power brick doesnt have active cooling
[06:30] <twb> What's the ambient temperature?
[06:31] <twb> If it's like 40\degC, that wouldn't be so suprising
[06:32] <krosswindz> room temp is much lower
[06:32] <krosswindz> I guess I might have to move the board from its current location so that it gets more free air
[06:33] <krosswindz> room temp is probably in the 20s
[06:33] <twb> Also worth checking if throttling governor &c are on
[06:35] <krosswindz> i think throttling governor is on which is what is switching the frequency
[06:35] <krosswindz> the omap_thermal_step_freq_down
[06:39] <twb> /sys/devices/system/cpu/**/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[06:40] <krosswindz> ondemand
[06:40] <twb> That's OK then
[06:40] <twb> I dunno what else to check
[06:46] <krosswindz> twb: not a problem
[06:46] <krosswindz> I was just wondering
[06:47] <twb> FWIW native compiles on TF101 don't overheat that
[06:56] <krosswindz> hmm
[06:56] <krosswindz> ok
[08:28] <doug> mmm, nice.
[08:28] <doug> i'm trying to find ARM benchmarks...
[08:29] <doug> a passmark would work pretty well
[08:29] <doug> or some other general all-around benchmark that has a baseline on a VAX
[08:29] <doug> or, barring that, some way to get onto an ARM box to run a benchmark
[08:29] <doug> hosting service that'll take cash, or ARM enthusiast that'll take beer
[08:31] <twb> doug: dmips is easy enough
[08:31] <twb> http://homepages.cwi.nl/~steven/dry.c
[08:32] <twb> Other (non-synthetic) benchmarks usually involve compiling GCC &c, but they cost money
[08:33] <twb> The third run in "sh dry.c" output for me, on a dual-core A9, is Microseconds for one run through Dhrystone: 0.4; Dhrystones per Second: 2602811
[08:36] <twb> With -O3 I get down to 0.3us / 3003003 DMIPS
[08:36] <twb> Er, 3003 DMIPS, since M is million
[08:37] <scientes> infinity, can you post that "magic chroot" code again?
[08:37] <scientes> nvm
[08:37] <infinity> scientes: As in, copy /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static to chroot/usr/bin?
[08:37] <scientes> yes, i remember
[08:38] <scientes> that is so slick
[08:38] <twb> Note that prior to 1.x qemu-arm-static had some bugs
[08:38] <twb> Most obviously triggered when using hard float
[08:38] <scientes> thing with --no-install-recommends, is that emdebian grip actually changes the apt default to that, so i got lazy
[08:38] <scientes> im using 11.10
[08:39] <twb> fortunately it's static so you can simply build qemu-arm-static and copy the binary wherever you want
[08:39] <scientes> twb, indeed
[08:39] <scientes> or copy the binary/install the .deb anywhere
[08:41] <twb> The .deb is marked as belonging the the host arch, though, so you can't sensibly install it inside the chroot
[08:41] <twb> you only need it inside the chroot, you understand, the only thing the host part cares about is the binfmt-support hooks
[08:44] <scientes> well, ar x and tar works file too
[08:44] <scientes> how do you extract only one file from a tar on the command line?
[08:45] <scientes> (however many probably dont know you can do that with .deb files)
[08:45] <twb> scientes: if you're not going to dpkg -i it there is no point carrying around more than the single qemu-static-arm binary
[08:45] <twb> scientes: dpkg -x, rather.
[08:45] <twb> *That is, dpkg -x rather than ar+tar.
[08:45] <scientes> of course, but im talking about the something you generally are doing one-off
[08:46] <scientes> twb, ahh that would probably be cleaner than using ar+tar, thx
[08:46] <twb> You can't extract a single file unless using ar+tar AFAIK, in which case you just do it the tar way
[09:00] <carli2> hi
[09:00] <carli2> i have a beagleboard and I want to install the sgx drivers
[09:00] <carli2> the software renderer is slow
[09:03] <carli2> i'd like to provide a SD image with preinstalled omapfb drivers, is that possible? is there a toolchain to build custom ubuntu installation images?
[09:03] <ndec> carli2: what do you mean exactly?
[09:05] <ndec> carli2: is this what you are looking after http://omappedia.org/wiki/Add_Packages_To_Ubuntu_Preinstalled_Images
[09:07] <carli2> ndec: ah thanks :)
[09:07] <carli2> but isn't chroot architecture specific?
[09:07] <carli2> i should run chroot on a arm system
[09:07] <ndec> nope.
[09:08] <ndec> you can cross chroot
[09:08] <carli2> or does it include a qemu-call?
[09:08] <ndec> with qemu
[09:08] <ndec> ok... it seems that the wiki only explains the native chroot.
[09:08] <ndec> but it would work with cross chroot too.
[09:10] <carli2> how can I delete all users created at installation time and turn the system back into OEM status?
[09:10] <ndec> you basically need to install qemu-user-static, and then sudo cp /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static /<your chroot>/usr/bin/, then you can cross chroot from x86 into the ubuntu arm rootfs
[09:11] <ndec> i don't think you can. or at least i don't know. perhaps infinity would know that... but I still think it's best to start with the preinstalled image before doing the installation.
[09:11] <ndec> as per the wiki i gave
[09:15] <carli2> configure a preinstalled ext2/3 system image "jasper"
[09:17] <carli2> how much faster would the hardfloat image be?
[09:23] <carli2> and no libreoffice
[09:23] <carli2> but it's installable :)
[11:01] <carli2> after installing the sgx drivers, the monitor stays black
[18:31] <micadeyeye_> hi
[18:31] <micadeyeye_> I can't login to Ubuntu on my Pandoboard
[18:31] <micadeyeye_> Login timed out after 60 seconds.
[18:31] <micadeyeye_>
[18:31] <micadeyeye_> Ubuntu 11.10 localhost.localdomain ttyO2
[18:31] <micadeyeye_>
[18:31] <micadeyeye_> localhost.localdomain login: root
[18:31] <micadeyeye_> Password:
[18:31] <micadeyeye_> kindly help!!
[18:33] <GrueMaster> micadeyeye_: Did you run through the oem-config installer?  It sets up a default account and hostname.
[18:33] <GrueMaster> Which image are you using?
[18:35] <micadeyeye_> GrueMaster, ubuntu 11.04 from here http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/OMAP_Ubuntu_Core
[18:36] <micadeyeye_> I didn't run the oem-config.
[18:37] <infinity> You also didn't read the instructions there that point out that you need to either remove or set root's password.
[18:37] <micadeyeye_> i didn't see that.
[18:38] <infinity> The page recommends just making root passwordless.  I'd recommend setting a password or adding a user, but whatever works better for your use-case.
[18:38] <GrueMaster> This is not an "Ubuntu supported" installation method.  My best suggestion is to either use one of the preinstalled images from cdimage.ubuntu.com or follow those instructions carefully and ask the author for support.
[18:39] <doug> what's the quickest(/best?) way for me to get an account on an ARM box?
[18:40] <GrueMaster> Buy an arm box and install Ubuntu on it?
[18:40] <micadeyeye_> I thought it wasn't using a password. I followed the instructions and did this "edit the file /etc/shadow and remove the '*' character in between the semi-colons. You"
[18:40] <micadeyeye_> I am running ubuntu on pandaboard
[18:41] <doug> hm, what's the cheapest arm box that i can buy (today)?
[18:42] <micadeyeye_> I got the rootfs from - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/releases/11.10/release/ubuntu-core-11.10-core-armel.tar.gz
[18:42] <GrueMaster> doug: It really depends on your needs.  I think the beaglebone (http://beagleboard.org) is probably the cheapest that we can support in Ubuntu, but there are better depending on hw needs.
[18:42] <infinity> micadeyeye_: GrueMaster is right, we don't support core as a bootable/installable OS.  It's meant for people to build on top of.
[18:43] <infinity> micadeyeye_: If that's not really working out for you, you might want to try a more full-featured installer, like ubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-server.
[18:43] <micadeyeye_> infinity, am not sure they would run on my omap4 device.
[18:44] <doug> my need is certainly to find something dirt cheap
[18:44] <suihkulokki> doug: Some board from Arduino family
[18:44] <doug> ubuntu on arduino?
[18:44] <infinity> micadeyeye_: You're using a non-standard kernel?
[18:44] <suihkulokki> doug: no ubuntu, but dirst cheap
[18:44] <micadeyeye_> I think so.
[18:45] <doug> yeah, need something that'll run a linux, something with an MMU
[18:45] <micadeyeye_> wget http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/precise/main/installer-armel/current/images/omap4/netboot/MLO
[18:45] <micadeyeye_> wget http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/precise/main/installer-armel/current/images/omap4/netboot/u-boot.bin
[18:45] <micadeyeye_> wget http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/precise/main/installer-armel/current
[18:45] <GrueMaster> Well, the "cheapest" is certainly less than that (raspberry PI comes to mind), but we only support hardware that has ARMv7 technology.
[18:45] <doug> pi isn't armv7?
[18:45] <micadeyeye_> doug, try Pandaboard
[18:45] <infinity> micadeyeye_: Right, well, if you need to build something from scratch, just chroot into your ubuntu-core system on another box and "passwrd root" before you boot it.
[18:45] <micadeyeye_> they now have pandaboard es
[18:45] <infinity> micadeyeye_: Err, that's the standard Ubuntu omap4 kernel.
[18:45] <GrueMaster> doug: If you go with something less, you can always run debian.  And no, Raspberry Pi is Armv6.
[18:45] <suihkulokki> I don't know that would be the cheapest, but beaglebone at 89$ is probably closest
[18:45] <infinity> micadeyeye_: If you use one of our full-featured images, it'll be exactly the same kernel.
[18:45] <micadeyeye_> but it's requesting a pwd.
[18:46] <suihkulokki> cheapest to run ubuntu, that is
[18:46] <GrueMaster> micadeyeye_: What platform are you running on?
[18:46] <doug> yeah, beagleboard is what, $89?  3 times the advertised price of the (low-end) pi
[18:46] <micadeyeye_> pandaboard (omap4)
[18:46] <infinity> micadeyeye_: Please, just use an image with an installer.
[18:46] <micadeyeye_> Ubuntu 11.04
[18:46] <suihkulokki> well lets see what the pi price will turn out tu be in reality
[18:46] <GrueMaster> micadeyeye_: Then use one of our omap4 preinstalled images.
[18:47] <infinity> micadeyeye_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/11.10/release/
[18:47] <infinity> micadeyeye_: Either ubuntu-desktop omap4 or ubuntu-server omap4, depending on if you want pretty things or not. :P
[18:47] <micadeyeye_> okay
[18:51] <GrueMaster> micadeyeye_: If you want greater speed and performance, you can also try our latest alpha 2 of 12.04.  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/alpha-2/
[18:52] <GrueMaster> According to Phoronix, the performance improvements are pretty good.  http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_1204_omap4460&num=1 (note that we did not run or commission these tests - they just look awesome).
[19:11] <pbuckley> any progress on ALSA lib main.c:260:(execute_sequence) unable to open ctl device 'hw:Panda'
[19:11] <pbuckley> ?
[19:24] <GrueMaster> pbuckley: Not yet.  The kernel team just got the bug late last week, and I am sure they are looking at it.
[19:25] <pbuckley> k.. :) thanks for the follow up.. what was the bug id again? I forgot to bookmark
[19:25] <GrueMaster> bug 925069
[19:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 925069 in linux-ti-omap4 "No analog audio on omap4 panda" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/925069
[19:25] <pbuckley> thank you
[19:26] <pbuckley> ooh
[19:26] <pbuckley> looks like they might already have a patch
[19:27] <pbuckley> any gotcha's about compiling ubuntu kernels?
[19:29] <GrueMaster> Yea, I don't do them.  :P  Seriously, I don't know other than they take a while on panda.
[19:39] <pbuckley> well
[19:39] <pbuckley> at least they compile the kernels with /proc/config.gz support
[19:39] <pbuckley> that makes it alot easier in theory
[19:51] <prpplague> lag: greetings
[19:51] <lag> prpplague: Howdy
[19:51] <lag> prpplague: Are you well?
[19:52] <prpplague> as well as can be expected, hehe
[19:52] <lag> Struggling on by
[19:52] <lag> :)
[19:52] <lag> You're not at Connect are you?
[19:53] <prpplague> lag: not this time, too many irons in the fire
[19:53] <lag> prpplague: Right, no probs
[19:53] <lag> prpplague: I wanted you to bring a Flyswatter so we could test it on Snowball
[19:53] <lag> prpplague: I have some other toys to play with too
[19:54] <prpplague> lag: ahh, i'll be at ELC on thursday of next week
[19:54] <pbuckley> kernel source tree has changed pretty drastically since last time i looked
[19:54] <pbuckley> where is my make oldconfig :(
[19:54] <lag> prpplague: Unfortunately I'm giving this one a miss
[19:54] <prpplague> lag: bummer
[19:54] <lag> prpplague: I know dude - I usually like to attend
[19:55] <prpplague> lag: i've already allocated my budget of freebie flyswatter2's for this month, let me see what i can do to get one to you for testing
[19:55] <doug> hm, what's the cheapest i can get an ubuntu-support ARM box for?
[19:57] <pbuckley> 35 bucks?
[19:58] <pbuckley> assuming small quality
[19:58] <pbuckley> bulk orders im sure you could find cheaper even
[19:58] <pbuckley> actually there is a 25 dollar version too
[19:58] <pbuckley> ;)
[19:59] <pbuckley> (raspberry pi) which i assume will have ubuntu on it at somepoint
[19:59] <pbuckley> though i doubt it will ever run x
[19:59] <infinity> pbuckley: The Pi can't run Ubuntu.
[19:59] <infinity> pbuckley: It's ARMv6, we only support v7.
[19:59] <lag> prpplague: I didn't mean to keep - would just be good to get some shots up of it working great with snowball :)
[19:59] <pbuckley> really?
[19:59] <pbuckley> damn so much for that idea
[19:59] <infinity> pbuckley: Really.
[19:59] <pbuckley> pandaboards then
[19:59] <pbuckley> but those are like 180
[19:59] <infinity> doug: The cheapest Ubuntu-supported board you can get is probably the beaglebone.
[19:59] <prpplague> lag: no worries, we want to make sure it works with as many items as possible
[20:00] <pbuckley> oh right
[20:00] <pbuckley> forgot about the beagle's
[20:00] <infinity> doug: But the Panda or mx53 quickstart are better options, IMO.
[20:00] <pbuckley> oh and there is the pandaboard and pandaboard es
[20:00] <pbuckley> so many flavors
[20:00] <doug> hm.
[20:01] <doug> beaglebone is $89, right?
[20:01] <pbuckley> i personally use the pandaboard es as a desktop
[20:01] <krosswindz> is there any particular reason precise kernel is missing the pandaboard OTG port kernel module
[20:01] <doug> i'm particularly interested in running stuff as a server
[20:01] <GrueMaster> krosswindz: File a bug against linux-omap4 please.
[20:01] <doug> headless, etc.
[20:02] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: sure
[20:02] <GrueMaster> doug: Depending on the type of server, you would probably be better off with the mx53 as it has native SATA.
[20:02] <pbuckley> its a freescale chip no?
[20:03] <GrueMaster> Having said that, I can also say that the Panda does really well on server loads too.
[20:03] <GrueMaster> yes, Frescale.
[20:03] <pbuckley> yeh.. the pandaboard sucks at disk io :(
[20:03] <GrueMaster> Here is a list of tests I ran last cycle for arm server.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/QA/Server
[20:03] <pbuckley> even usb drives are pretty bad
[20:03] <pbuckley> though 12.04 seems to have improved sd performance at least
[20:04] <GrueMaster> Note that I also ran Raid, iSCSI (client & host), and CEPH ClusterFS, all on pandas.
[20:04] <pbuckley> oh nice
[20:04] <pbuckley> i was thinking about iscsi
[20:04] <pbuckley> how did that go?
[20:05] <GrueMaster> Well, it initially had issues (same as on x86 when I ran it), but those have been fixed.  I haven't tested it again this cycle, but it is on the todo list.
[20:05] <pbuckley> Requires a bit of manual configuration. iSCSI-root fails to boot. See LP:838809
[20:05] <pbuckley> ah ok
[20:06] <GrueMaster> It will still need either an SD for u-boot or optionally it can boot from a host pc through the OTG port.
[20:06] <GrueMaster> (documentation on that feature coming soon).
[20:07] <doug> hm, where's a good place to buy mx53 quickstarts from?
[20:07] <infinity> Digikey.
[20:07] <pbuckley> does digikey sell them?
[20:07] <pbuckley> if so i would go there
[20:08] <infinity> Digikey sells everything anyone could ever want.  If you want it and they don't have it, you're wrong about wanting it.
[20:08]  * infinity nods.
[20:08] <pbuckley> hahaha
[20:08] <GrueMaster> Yes, I bought two through digikey (and one direct from Freescale).
[20:08] <pbuckley> how does the mx53 compare to the panda as far as x performance goes?
[20:09] <pbuckley> that sata port is tempting
[20:09] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: against linu-omap4 or linux-ti-omap4?
[20:09] <GrueMaster> Note that the newer START-R model doesn't run Oneiric, and until we get a new kernel in the pool, it won't run Precise.
[20:09] <pbuckley> oh nm
[20:09] <GrueMaster> krosswindz: linux-omap4.  Send me the bug number and I can make sure it gets triaged.
[20:09] <krosswindz> ok
[20:09] <pbuckley> you can take precise from my cold dead fingers
[20:10] <GrueMaster> heh.
[20:20] <infinity> pbuckley: X performance on the quickstart is good.  Its only real failing is the slower CPU.
[20:21] <infinity> GrueMaster: Does the new 3.1.x kernel we just shoved in still not boot the START-R?
[20:21] <GrueMaster> When did that get uploaded?
[20:22] <infinity> I processed it through NEW yesterday.
[20:22] <infinity> And updated the meta yesterday.
[20:22] <GrueMaster> Oh, well I will check it out then.
[20:22] <GrueMaster> (I wasn't working this weekend).
[20:22] <infinity> Yeahp, fair enough.
[20:23] <infinity> Oh, speaking of not working on weekends, can you give me a reminder of those flash-kernel/preseed bug numbers?
[20:23] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: bug#: 927860
[20:23] <infinity> I'll get to them when I'm bored here at Connect.
[20:23] <GrueMaster> bug 927860
[20:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 927860 in linux-meta-ti-omap4 "Missing musb-hdrc module required by Pandaboard OTG port" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/927860
[20:24] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: ubuntu-bug files it under linux-meta-ti-omap4
[20:24] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: not sure why
[20:24] <GrueMaster> Don't worry, I can fix it.
[20:25] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: thanks
[20:26] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: it only affects Precise, oneiric 3.0 kernel has it compiled into the kernel
[20:26] <GrueMaster> Interesting.
[20:34] <GrueMaster> Ok, I tweaked the bug report and assigned it to our kernel engineer.  We should see an update later this week.  Can you enable it and test it in the mean time?  If it works, post your results to the bug.
[20:34] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: Yes I am trying to build the kernel by myself
[20:35] <GrueMaster> infinity: I'll try to get to the f-k-i fixes this afternoon (after lunch).
[20:35] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: The first time I built it and was doing testing I didnt realize it was missing.
[20:35] <GrueMaster> Ah.
[20:35] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: I will keep you updated on the progress, I am at work now :( the board is at home.
[20:35] <GrueMaster> brb - need to feed.
[20:36] <prpplague> oh lord, who let jkridner in here?
[20:36] <jkridner> :)
[20:36]  * prpplague shakes his head at the low requirements for entry into #ubuntu-arm
[20:36] <pbuckley> lol
[20:37] <infinity> GrueMaster: I had it mostly coded in my head anyway, just forgot the bug numbers and lost them in scrollback.
[20:41] <doug> hm, i found one ms53 board retailing for $149...
[20:42] <doug> from newark.com
[20:43] <pbuckley>  never used em
[20:43] <pbuckley> digikey has always done right by me
[20:45] <doug> hm, digikey's MCIMX53-START-R-ND is also showing up as $149
[20:45] <pbuckley> there you have it
[20:46] <doug> now if i could just find a good source for pricing on the cpu itself
[20:47] <doug> digikey says "call"
[20:49] <pbuckley> it depends on the quanity
[20:49] <pbuckley> (usually)
[20:51] <doug> well sure
[20:56] <pbuckley> if i apt-get install linux-source-3.2.0 will that give me the correct branch? or should i pull it out of a git repo somewhere?
[21:02] <GrueMaster> pbuckley: apt-get source linux-ti-omap4
[21:03] <pbuckley> ah thanks
[21:03] <infinity> Which will get the meta. ;)
[21:03] <infinity> apt-get --only-source source linux-ti-omap4
[21:03] <pbuckley> should i also do a apt-get build-dep linux-ti-omap4?
[21:04] <pbuckley> NOTICE: 'linux-ti-omap4' packaging is maintained in the 'Git' version control system at:
[21:04] <pbuckley> neat
[21:05] <pbuckley> since when did apt support git?
[21:05] <pbuckley> or am i not reading that right?
[21:06] <pbuckley> (because i basically wrote my own package format to get around deb's limitation of only one installed version of a package at a time)
[21:06] <pbuckley> and i assume if git is in apt they have worked around that
[21:06] <GrueMaster> No, it is just indicating that our kernel trees are in git as opposed to bzr.
[21:07] <pbuckley> ah ok
[21:07] <pbuckley> got all excited
[21:07] <pbuckley> ;)
[21:09] <pbuckley> also dont know if this is a packaging legacy defect
[21:09] <pbuckley> but it points me to http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git-repos/ubuntu/ubuntu-maverick.git
[21:09] <pbuckley> is that the active git repo or is it ubuntu-precise.git?
[21:10] <GrueMaster>  ubuntu-precise.git
[21:10] <pbuckley> k
[21:15] <pbuckley> thank you again :) Hopefully those two patches on that bug report help with the sound issue im having.. going a bit mad without audio
[21:18] <rbasak> So I've been trying usbboot. It works, but seems to find the boot script on the sd card and uses that. Is there any way to override the boot script?
[21:19] <GrueMaster> yea, remove the sd.
[21:19] <rbasak> Without removing the SD :)
[21:19] <GrueMaster> picky picky.  :P
[21:20] <rbasak> The reason is that I want to boot off the SD except when automation wants to netboot
[21:20] <rbasak> Right now I have to assume that the machine isn't bricked and can be shelled into to change the SD to netboot
[21:20] <GrueMaster> I understand.  I want to use it to recover from a botched netinstall.
[21:20] <rbasak> Yeah, exactly :)
[21:21] <rbasak> Right now the only way I can think of is to hack u-boot to never read a script
[21:21] <rbasak> (and supply the hacked u-boot over usb)
[21:21] <rbasak> I am hoping that there's a better way.
[21:21] <GrueMaster> I don't know how the new usbboot works, but the omap4boot utility used abootimg to build an image.  This included a boot script or kernel cmdline.
[21:25] <rbasak> This seems to use mkimage to convert u-boot.bin into a u-boot.img (with a load address of 0x80E80000)
[21:25] <rbasak> I take it this is a different image format to abootimg?
[21:26] <GrueMaster> Yes.  mkimage only creates a checksum wrapper.
[21:42] <pbuckley> so if i wanted to submit patches to http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git-repos/ubuntu/ubuntu-precise.git
[21:42] <pbuckley> is there a doc i can read that explains the process?
[21:46] <GrueMaster> pbuckley: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/KernelPatches
[21:46] <GrueMaster> That's probably the easiest.
[21:49] <pbuckley> brilliant thank you :)
[22:12] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: I edited the kernel config and started a fresh build using the current sources. I will let you know how it goes
[22:12] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: I will update the bug once I reinstall kernel
[22:12] <GrueMaster> Ok.
[22:24] <pbuckley> so compiling on the panda.. make -j2,-j3,-j4?
[22:26] <GrueMaster> Depends on your storage medium.  If SD, I would not multi-thread.  Otherwise -j2 or -j3.  I think the rule of thumb (thumb2?) is # cores +1.
[22:26] <pbuckley> k
[22:26] <pbuckley> ty
[22:28] <pbuckley> also make oldconfig generates warning: (USB_WUSB) selects UWB which has unmet direct dependencies (EXPERIMENTAL && PCI)
[22:28] <GrueMaster> That is a question for #ubuntu-kernel.
[22:29] <pbuckley> k
[22:33] <mythos> sorry, if ask: but is thumb(2) something like mmx/sse/...?
[22:33] <phh> not at all
[22:33] <mythos> *if i ask
[22:34] <phh> on ARM, instructions have fixed size
[22:34] <phh> ie 32 bits
[22:34] <phh> they found that sometimes you don't need full-featured instructions, and you could greatly reduce size with 16 bits instructions
[22:34] <phh> that's thumb
[22:35] <phh> then, they decided they could make the best of both worlds with thumb2, when using a 32bits instruction can be more efficient, they use a 32bit, else a 16bits one
[22:35] <ogra_> shortly said: you get smaller binaries that load faster into ram
[22:35] <ogra_> (and sometimes also run faster)
[22:35] <phh> (because it's faster to load from ram to cpu)
[22:37] <GrueMaster> infinity: New mx53 kernel still appears not to enable usb on the START-R rev of the Quickstart.
[22:37] <mythos> hm... thanks for the explanation =)
[22:38] <infinity> GrueMaster: Irksome.  I'll hunt down the landing team this week and see if we can get to the bottom of this.
[22:38] <GrueMaster> k.
[22:39] <GrueMaster> I'll see if I can generate some kernel output.
[22:39] <infinity> That could be helpful.
[22:41] <GrueMaster> infinity: http://paste.ubuntu.com/832005/
[22:44] <infinity> GrueMaster: Hrm.  I don't see an obvious kernel failure there at all.
[22:47] <GrueMaster> infinity: Starting at line 305:  usb 2-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71
[22:48] <infinity> Does it boot from SD, then?
[22:48] <infinity> Might make it easier to debug the USB issues if one can hotplug a non-root USB device.
[22:49] <GrueMaster> I have a few more tests to run, but the only difference between my quickstart (qs1) and quickstart-r (qs2) setup is that qs1 is on port 2 of my kvm, and qs2 is on port 4.
[22:49] <GrueMaster> It has always booted from sd.  The problem is that it doesn't see keyboard/mouse.
[22:50] <infinity> Oh.  Key.  I use mine headless, would probably not even notice. ;)
[22:50] <GrueMaster> Well, considering we only build desktop images for the board...
[22:51] <infinity> Yeah, I don't test images on my mx53, it's my local mirror.
[22:51] <infinity> It was also my first armhf system, before I had images.
[22:51] <GrueMaster> (and I have a slight shortage of sata drives atm).
[22:51] <infinity> Speaking of, we have armhf+mx5 images now.
[22:52] <GrueMaster> cool.  I'll test tomorrow.
[22:58] <methril> hi, someone up?
[22:59] <methril> i would like to know if someone had a i.mx515 image working
[22:59] <GrueMaster> infinity: Just to salt the wound a little, the dev image that came with it works ootb.  Kernel <IP_ADDRESS>-1129-g691c08a
[22:59] <GrueMaster> methril: mx51?  Like babbage3?
[22:59] <rbasak> GrueMaster: I've adjusted u-boot-linaro-omap4-panda-splusb's default boot script to do pxe only. Is there any situation where this shouldn't be the case, ie. should I propose this as a permanent fix?
[23:00] <methril> GrueMaster, yes, and Sharp PC-Z1
[23:00] <methril> i would like to update it
[23:00] <methril> it's a powerful processor
[23:00] <GrueMaster> methril: Ah, yes.  That device.  persia used to bring his to UDS all the time.
[23:01] <methril> GrueMaster, so nobody is working on it, isn't it?
[23:01] <GrueMaster> Image wise we don't support that platform.  Package wise, it should handle everything current.
[23:02] <methril> any guid to start porting it "image wise"?
[23:03] <methril> s/guid/guide
[23:04] <GrueMaster> Not really.  iirc, that had Jaunty, with was armv5.  I don't know if you can get a kernel for it or not.
[23:05] <methril> GrueMaster, there is a 2.6.31 port, and a 2.6.35 WIP
[23:07] <GrueMaster> If the 2.6.31 port works and is at least compiled for armv7, try it.  We can go from there.
[23:08] <methril> ok, thank you GrueMaster
[23:11] <methril> i will try to work on it, and come back when something is working
[23:11] <GrueMaster> If you can boot with an armv7 kernel, the next step would be to see if you can chroot into an ubuntu-core image and do stuff.
[23:12] <methril> ok, i need to buy a bigger sd card
[23:13] <GrueMaster> The core images are fairly small.  ~35M compressed.
[23:14] <GrueMaster> Note that these are NOT bootable images.
[23:14] <methril> uhm...
[23:14] <methril> i've a bootable sd card
[23:14] <methril> i only need to boot it with a newer kernel image
[23:14] <GrueMaster> Ok.
[23:15] <GrueMaster> Older binaries "should" still work.
[23:15] <methril> the older is what i'm going to try
[23:15] <methril> to get a new version
[23:15] <methril> i need it for traveling
[23:16] <GrueMaster> Understand.  From what I've seen of it, it seems fairly capable.
[23:16] <methril> i think so
[23:17] <methril> let's see what we could get from this old device :)
[23:26] <rbasak> GrueMaster: I filed bug 927956
[23:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 927956 in u-boot-linaro "USB SPL boot should be able to override local SD card on panda" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/927956
[23:26] <rbasak> (with patch)
[23:26] <GrueMaster> ok
[23:34] <pbuckley> you werent joking about kernel compiles taking ahwile on the panda
[23:36] <pbuckley> i might have to break down and spin up an ec2 instance and start doing my compiles there.. i assume there is a cross compile toolchain somewhere?
[23:42] <GrueMaster> pbuckley: There is, but I couldn't tell you how to do a cross compile.  Try doing a google search on the ubuntu wiki.


[01:12] <tardis> bazhang helping someone running unofficial derivative. never thought I'd see it.
[01:13] <bazhang> tardis, easy fix, better to get him on his way then escalate
[02:59] <bazhang> djskidd asks ubuntu questions in #debian , and debian questions in #ubuntu . I think I see a pattern here
 hello can someone help get a copy of the perl.ddos
 do you have ddos script  <--- PM
[03:27] <bazhang> going to get lunch . may want to check swaroop
[04:29] <rww> GoogleUrMom: As has been made abundantly clear to you in the past, you are banned from the #ubuntu* namespace. Your current presence in it is a violation of network policy.
[04:30] <rww> GoogleUrMom: I am not willing to discuss this with you in PM.
[04:49] <rww> in case anyone was wondering from #ubuntu, ecafllort.jpg is nerdtalk for that "trollface" picture
[07:50] <code8> Any niggers?
[07:50] <code8> Ubuntu niggers?
[10:04] <Myrtti> oh boy
[10:04] <Myrtti> look at koustuv's "problem"
[14:07] <Merdam> hi
[14:07] <IdleOne> hello Merdam
[14:07] <Merdam> can anybody explain to me why my friend Vengativo was refused answers to his questions...   he skyped me a half hour ago
[14:08] <Merdam> it started in #gaygeeks
[14:08] <Merdam> and thenhe tried to get answers in #freenode
[14:08] <Merdam> nobody helped him
[14:08] <IdleOne> We don't normally discuss removals/bans/quiets with third party but your friend was very rude and impolite.
[14:08] <Merdam> and then he flipped out
[14:08] <Merdam> yeah
[14:08] <Merdam> he sent me the logs
[14:08] <Merdam> but they were insulting him
[14:08] <Merdam> in #freenode and then banned him
[14:08] <Merdam> he was calm until then
[14:08] <ikonia> ask in #freenode
[14:08] <IdleOne> ok, well in that case you know why he was quieted
[14:08] <Merdam> nah
[14:08] <Merdam> he was fine before then
[14:09] <Merdam> yeah
[14:09] <ikonia> Merdam: this channel is Ubuntu-ops for Ubuntu channel issues
[14:09] <Merdam> he shouldn't have flipped out
[14:09] <IdleOne> right then joined #ubuntu and started cursing at the channel in spanish
[14:09] <Merdam> I was just wondering if anybody saw what happened BEFORE then anywhere else
[14:09] <ikonia> if you have problems with other channels, talk to them, not us
[14:09] <Merdam> they weren't much help
[14:09] <Merdam> but thanks
[14:09] <ikonia> ask him, not us,
[14:09] <IdleOne> Merdam: We don't monitor every single channel on freenode.
[14:09] <IdleOne> ask the ops in the channel he was banned in.
[14:10] <ikonia> if he wants to solve his ban he's welcome to join this channel to disscuss it
[14:10] <Merdam> ok
[14:10] <oCean> he's klined not long after
[14:11] <ikonia> ahhh urban dictonary swearing part message
[14:12] <IdleOne> Self appointment jail house lawyer
[14:12] <ikonia> probably the same guy
[14:12]  * IdleOne is tired of these trolls :/
[14:13] <IdleOne> appointed*
[14:14] <ikonia> 05:33 -!- Dilberto is now known as Merdam
[14:14] <ikonia> known troll
[14:14] <ikonia> Dilberto
[14:17] <oCean> The otherone, he's referring to, also: <mrmist> Danneskjold: Because you continued to ignore the channel wishes to use English and then proceeded to evade a number of quiets and bans.
[14:17] <ikonia> has there been some sort of drawn out ammount of time wasters while I've been away
[14:18] <ikonia> (well, I am still away until tomorrow)
[14:18] <oCean> lots of time wasters indeed
[14:19] <oCean> oh lawd, here goes <jforjackjohnson> again?
[15:05] <popey> oh gawd, jforjackjohnson is a brit?!
[15:05] <popey> I'm so sorry.
[15:05] <ikonia> ha ha h
[15:07] <ikonia> popey: I hold you responsible for all Brits behaviour
[15:07] <popey> np
[15:07] <popey> all sorted?
[15:07] <popey> uhm
[15:08] <ikonia> very much
[15:08] <popey> you confuse me with your multi-channel chat! :D
[15:08] <ikonia> I guessed as much
[15:08] <ikonia> hence my response in here
[15:08] <popey> :D
[15:11] <ikonia> the irony of Howie complaining in #freenode about people trolling in #defocus
[15:12] <ikonia> after all the attemps he's done to troll #ubuntu-*
[15:14] <popey> hah
[16:54] <ikonia> hello impiza
[16:54] <ikonia> impiza: how can we help you ?
[16:57] <Corey> impiza: Pleaes don't idle here.
[18:29] <rww> wait, popey's responsible for my behavior? sweeeeet
[18:30] <Myrtti> BLAME POPEY
[18:33] <jussi> ooh, its blame popey day? excellent!!
[18:34]  * rww runs through #ubuntu without clothes on, singing something about Debian
[18:35] <Myrtti> (blaming popey means you're not blaming me for being a bad rolemodel and not being a good IRC godmother, *sniff*)
[19:00] <mneptok> Myrtti: i'm still working on the fairy dust with hypnotic and hallucinatory effects. USDA is holding up my reindeer tears.
[19:02] <Myrtti> mneptok: aww
[19:03] <Tm_T> hi
[19:08] <rww> What's the counter on jforjackjohnson's bans now? I forgot if it was a week or two weeks.
[19:09] <IdleOne> right now I think it has reached the email ircc stage
[19:09] <rww> alrighty
[19:10] <jussi> yeah, thats the last I see from him.
[19:36] <Myrtti> charming
[19:36] <IdleOne> who/what/where???/
[19:36] <oCean> jack__ is my guess
[19:37] <IdleOne> oh
[19:39] <Myrtti> I'm tempted to say to xi902 "be helpful"
[19:50] <oCean>  [LinuxNoob] (~ylmfos@p5B07DB2B.dip.t-dialin.net): live session user on ylmfos
[19:50] <oCean> what's ^that again?
[19:50] <rww> something we don't support :D
[19:50]  * oCean starts google
[19:50] <rww> I think that one's Chinese?
[19:50] <IdleOne> yes
[19:51] <oCean> english edition released http://www.ylmf.org/en/
[19:51] <IdleOne> I think #ubuntu-cn tolerates it
[20:55] <Flannel> oh this should be good.
[20:56] <IdleOne> that nick is sickening
[23:52] <ikonia> http://www.googlubuntu.com/
[23:53] <ikonia> anyone seen that ?
[23:53] <Flannel> There needs to be a syllable removed in there.
[23:54] <ikonia> someone just pushed it in #ubuntu, I've never seen it
[23:54] <Flannel> Looks like it's just a custom site(s) search
[23:54] <ikonia> looks cack to me
[23:54] <Flannel> oh, and it requires javascript.
[23:55] <Pici> is cack good or bad?
[23:55] <ikonia> bad
[23:55] <Flannel> Whyso?
[23:56] <elky> And old.
[23:56] <elky> ©2007-2008
[23:56] <Pici> I've seen plenty of legit and popular sites not update their copyright dates.
[23:57] <Pici> it annoys me
[23:57] <ikonia> Flannel: just narrow sites and to be honest, google does it better or google.com/linux
[23:57] <mneptok> or use Duck Duck Go ...
[23:57]  * tardis quacks
[23:57] <Flannel> shrug.  I don't see this as bad.  I don't see it as good either.
[23:58]  * mneptok honks and dematerializes, stealing tardis' thunder
[23:58] <ikonia> Flannel: I don't think it's bad as in evil, just a bit rubbish
[23:59] <tardis> now all we need is a lmgutfy
[23:59] <Flannel> It winds up being a wikipage for most things, advises against ultimatix,
[23:59] <ikonia> that's not a bad thing
[23:59] <ikonia> anything advising ultimatix can't be wrong


[11:41] <xnox> what's the gnome/gtk plan for U.U.? 3.12?
[11:41]  * xnox wants new gnome-terminal =)
[11:42] <xnox> although it looks like gnome-terminal might compile just fine on top of 3.10.
[11:49] <xnox> nah, needs vte3 from experimental =(
[16:15] <Laney> Not unless the bash/new tab thing has been resolved
[16:15] <Laney> you were going to talk to doko about that :-)
[18:43] <xnox> Laney: not sure i'm on the ball about that one. What's up with bash/new-tab?
[18:59] <Laney> we discussed it at the sprint
[18:59] <Laney> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=706065
[18:59] <ubot2> Debian bug 706065 in libvte-2.90-common "libvte-2.90-common: /etc/profile.d/vte.sh is not sourced by interactive shells" [Normal,Open]
[18:59] <Laney> see the blocking bug
[19:02] <xnox> Laney: oh yeah, that.
[19:03] <xnox> i was meant to NMU to debian that.
[19:03] <xnox> will poke doko about it, once we are all back at work.
[19:47] <Laney> ex-ce-llent
[20:55] <Mirv> I guess this Easter gets spent in getting 14.04 to do what I want :)
[20:55] <Mirv> bug #1280665 here, luckily there's a patch for that
[20:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1280665 in libsdl1.2 (Ubuntu) "libsdl1.2 always uses backingstore which causes tearing in modern X servers" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1280665
[20:58] <Mirv> it seems useful to upgrade a completely non-work machine, different use cases and different bugs


[14:19] <mapreri> teward: I'd rather we keep it doing every fortnight and at most just decide to adjourn to the next one quickly, than mess with the cycle :)
[16:00] <juliank> o/
[16:00] <sil2100> o/
[16:00] <dbungert> o/
[16:00] <mclemenceau> o/
[16:00] <bdmurray> o/
[16:00] <slyon> o/
[16:00] <schopin> o/
[16:00] <bdmurray> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
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[16:00] <ginggs> o/
[16:00] <bdmurray> #topic Lightning Round
[16:01] <bdmurray> doing the shuffle
[16:01] <bdmurray> bdmurray alexghiti jawn-smith vorlon schopin juliank dbungert ginggs mwhudson sil2100 waveform doko slyon xypron
[16:01] <bdmurray> some cdimage changes for the Intel IoT project
[16:01] <bdmurray> modified the phased-updater to support fully phasing of some packages (livecd-rootfs!)
[16:01] <bdmurray> redeployed the PS5 version of the Error Tracker to test IS's changes
[16:01] <bdmurray> merged, sponsored SRU fixes for LP: #1946520
[16:01] <bdmurray> sponsored uploads of openvdb, nemo, clamtk, u-boot, evolution-ews, libayatana-indicator, debootstrap, testresources, gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons, ocrfeeder
[16:01] <bdmurray> sync'ed ustreamer, pikepdf
[16:02] <bdmurray> sponsored debmirror for jammy
[16:02] <bdmurray> reported Launchpad bug regarding copying packages LP: #1952776
[16:02] <bdmurray> wrote a bug pattern for LP: #1944086, consolidated duplicates of it
[16:02] <bdmurray> more training
[16:02] <bdmurray> interview
[16:02] <bdmurray> alex is out
[16:02] <bdmurray> jawn-smith:
[16:02] <jawn-smith> short week due to Thanksgiving
[16:02] <jawn-smith> * no change rebuilds against go 1.17 - 47 packages built against Go 1.16 now down to 7
[16:02] <jawn-smith> * LP: #1951161 merged shadow from Debian
[16:02] <jawn-smith> * LP: #1945812 sponsored librabbitmq for schopin
[16:02] <jawn-smith> * LP: #1951439 synced golang-defaults from Debian. Mostly just manpage updates
[16:02] <jawn-smith> * LP: #1937055 sponsoring for xypron
[16:02] <jawn-smith> * proposed-migration: lava vs psycopg2
[16:02] <jawn-smith> * Preparing Nezha board for RISC-V summit
[16:02] <jawn-smith> [done]
[16:03] <bdmurray> jawn-smith: didn't something else special happen?
[16:03] <schopin> naaaah, a detail really.
[16:03] <bdmurray> vorlon might be out
[16:03] <bdmurray> schopin:
[16:03] <jawn-smith> bdmurray: yes, became a core dev :)
[16:03] <schopin> * OpenSSL all the way, uploading rebuilds, fixing FTBFSes.
[16:03] <schopin> ✓ done
[16:03] <bdmurray> juliank:
[16:04] <juliank> * was out Friday
[16:04] <juliank> * autopkgtest-cloud rabbitmq died over the weekend, restarted
[16:04] <juliank> * grub 2.06 merge started Monday, seems close to complete-ish
[16:04] <juliank> (done)
[16:04] <dbungert> * curtin - add filter layer to output of new lsblk to be compatible with old
[16:04] <dbungert> behavior.  Required for Jammy support. LP: #1952226
[16:04] <dbungert> * curtin vs rocky linux - add fix from Julien to act on the os-release file to
[16:04] <dbungert> recognize new variants like ones we already know how to handle. LP: #1934513
[16:04] <dbungert> * curtin - start release process, will finish once MP for prev item resolved.
[16:04] <dbungert> * subiquity vs focal/bionic - python links in the snap were resolving to python
[16:04] <dbungert> in the host OS, which mangled lookup of python packages.
[16:04] <dbungert> https://github.com/canonical/subiquity/pull/1129
[16:04] <dbungert> * subiquity - investigate LP: #1952545 and open the restrictions on MSDOS
[16:04] <dbungert> partitions a little.  We need better MSDOS partition table support.
[16:04] <dbungert> * subiquity - investigate API test breakage, tweak makefile
[16:04] <dbungert> * subiquity vs u-u - triage LP: #1952407, related to metered connection.  Plan
[16:04] <dbungert> is to fail other u-u errors but not treat metered as an install failure.
[16:04] <dbungert> * subiquity - help on release notes and testing of release.  Found LP: #1952969
[16:04] <dbungert> * node-jquery vs skimage - find a working set of package triggers, passing test
[16:04] <dbungert> * numpy vs python-meshplex - fix unrelated FTBFS (Debian #997756),
[16:04] <dbungert> test problem not yet solved
[16:04] <dbungert> (done)
[16:05] <bdmurray> ginggs:
[16:05] <ginggs> * rescheduled a bunch of autopkgtests that were lost over the weekend
[16:05] <ginggs> * still busy adding python3.10 as a supported version
[16:05] <ginggs> * sponsoring schopin's uploads for openssl3 transition
[16:05] <ginggs> * helped r-bioc-* migrate
[16:05] <ginggs> (done)
[16:05] <bdmurray> sil2100:
[16:06] <sil2100> I'd like to go last o/
[16:06] <sil2100> Skip plz
[16:06] <bdmurray> waveform: then its you
[16:06] <waveform> * Permissions requests for pi-bluetooth on core18 (LP: #1949869)
[16:06] <waveform> * Working on flash-kernel changes for Pi boot procedure
[16:06] <waveform> * Working on missing system-boot from etc/fstab on jammy server images (still!) (LP: #1950677)
[16:06] <waveform> * Adding needrestart override for pi-bluetooth (LP: #1953046)
[16:06] <waveform> * Worked on linux-firmware-raspi2 rename (to linux-firmware-raspi); pi-bluetooth changes done, seed changes prepped, but livecd-rootfs changes needed as well
[16:06] <waveform> * Pi meetings
[16:06] <waveform> (done)
[16:06] <bdmurray> doko:
[16:07] <doko> - company online courses finished
[16:07] <doko> - some reading about the long-double format change on ppc64el
[16:07] <doko> - first version of the gcc-12 cross compiler
[16:07] <doko> (done)
[16:07] <slyon> - released systemd 249.5-2ubuntu1
[16:07] <slyon>   + pulled in some last minute OEM patches that need SRU
[16:07] <slyon> - preparing systemd SRUs LP: #1952599, LP: #1943561, LP: #1952733, LP: #1952735
[16:07] <slyon>   + Jammy + Impish/Hirsute/Focal/Bionic ... ugh
[16:07] <slyon> - landed https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10212 \o/ (long overdue)
[16:07] <slyon>   + updated NetworkManager patch & dropped vendorized netplan from the snap:
[16:07] <slyon>     https://code.launchpad.net/~slyon/snappy-hwe-snaps/+git/network-manager/+merge/412634
[16:07] <slyon> - review & sponsored pastebinit (using git-ubuntu rich history)
[16:07] <slyon> - started investigating the dbus/systemd crash again, LP: #1871538
[16:07] <slyon> [16:07] <slyon> - KernOS discussions
[16:07] <slyon> - released 0.103-0ubuntu10
[16:07] <slyon> - SRUs for snapd integration LP: #1946957 & LP: #1949893
[16:07] <slyon>   + of course there is ONE test that passes on any arch & any series
[16:07] <slyon>     BUT focal/riscv ... I need to investigate that one.
[16:07] <xypron> RISC-V correction for LXC has been merged: https://github.com/lxc/lxc/commits?author=xypron
[16:07] <xypron> Pull requests for livecd-rootfs: LP# 1952921 LP# 1952916
[16:07] <xypron> Working on Nezha disk image
[16:07] <xypron> <done />
[16:08] <bdmurray> sil2100: are you ready?
[16:08] <sil2100> * SRU reviews and releases
[16:08] <sil2100>   - Lots of OEM package reviews
[16:08] <sil2100> * ubuntu-image:
[16:08] <sil2100>   - Started testing the edge version of ubuntu-image, preparing it for promotion to beta/candidate
[16:09] <sil2100>   - Sync up meeting
[16:09] <sil2100> * Helping out with moving around files for Xilinx
[16:09] <sil2100> * Intel IOT:
[16:09] <sil2100>   - First investigated if universe and multiverse are enabled
[16:09] <sil2100>   - Wrote up a documentation about how our release process for Ubuntu looks like along with some improvements for the Intel process
[16:09] <sil2100>   - Image builds and promotions
[16:09] <sil2100>   - Investigated reported issue with inability to install on UEFI when network is offline (lots of installs done on kvm)
[16:09] <sil2100>   - Fixed the problem caused by the funky SUBARCH in both debian-cd and ubuntu-cdimage
[16:09] <sil2100> * Training
[16:09] <sil2100> * Spinning and testing of new ubuntu-core 18 devices, coordination with certification
[16:09] <sil2100> * Helping Olivier bring-up on his first days
[16:09] <sil2100> * DMB Meeting
[16:09] <sil2100> * Almost finished the WSL image tracking spec
[16:09] <sil2100> * 20.04.4 discussions
[16:09] <sil2100> * Lots of other stuff that I didn't time to write up yet
[16:09] <sil2100> (done)
[16:10] <sil2100> ogayot: o/
[16:10] <ogayot> * going through the onboarding (joined Canonical on Monday)
[16:10] <ogayot> * initial implementation for launchpad bug #1936190
[16:10] <ogayot> * (done)
[16:10] <bdmurray> welcome!
[16:10] <mclemenceau> welcome ogayot
[16:10] <sil2100> Welcome indeed o/
[16:11] <bdmurray> Any questions on status?
[16:11] <bdmurray> juliank: what happened with rabbitmq dying?
[16:12] <juliank> it ran out of memory
[16:12] <juliank> then it blocked publishers
[16:12] <bdmurray> Is juju using a lot of memory? IS mentioned something about that to me recently.
[16:12] <juliank> hoping things would get consumed and release resources
[16:12] <juliank> it's not a juju issue, the rabbitmq is limited to 40% of ram
[16:12] <juliank> and then it blocks publishers
[16:13] <bdmurray> okay
[16:13] <juliank> we don't know why it runs out of memory, it only had like 100 tests or so
[16:13]  * juliank forgot to take a status dump before restarting
[16:13] <bdmurray> #topic Release Incoming Bugs
[16:14] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[16:14] <bdmurray> bug 1943530
[16:15] <bdmurray> Given the comments we should probably take this
[16:16] <juliank> +1
[16:16] <juliank> next step figure out licensing of reverse deps of the lib?
[16:16] <juliank> there might be openssl incompatible licensed rdeps
[16:16] <bdmurray> bug 1951399
[16:16] <bdmurray> This should be fixed with Robie's upload
[16:16] <sil2100> \o/
[16:17] <schopin> juliank: it's becoming less likely though with th eOpenSSL license change
[16:17] <juliank> basically GPL-2
[16:17] <juliank> bdmurray: right-ish
[16:17] <juliank> bdmurray: needs fixing for 22.10
[16:17] <juliank> in ubiquity to avoid using deprecated stuff
[16:17] <bdmurray> I'd rather have a new bug than this mess of metoo comments
[16:18] <vorlon> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2021-October/002587.html has bearing wrt license questions
[16:18] <bdmurray> anyway there is no action here
[16:18] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ii-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[16:18] <bdmurray> bug 1944086
[16:19] <vorlon> juliank: ^^ basically, I am questioning FSF's blanket assertion that Apache license is incompatible with GPL2
[16:19] <bdmurray> I found a fair number of duplicates of this the other day
[16:19] <juliank> yes
[16:20] <bdmurray> Before taking it though let's check the error tracker for the same crash
[16:20] <bdmurray> I'll do that and update the bug
[16:20] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[16:20] <bdmurray> bug 1948884 still needs investigation before carding
[16:21] <sil2100> I investigated it!
[16:21] <bdmurray> woot
[16:21] <bdmurray> so it needs fixing in jammy too then?
[16:21] <sil2100> And well, I don't know if this was anything that we said would be working
[16:21] <juliank> vorlon: on the other end of the spectrum, I believe apache licensed code can be incompatible with gpl-3 if it contains weird stuff in NOTICE
[16:21] <juliank> :D
[16:21] <sil2100> Yeah, so how it's written right now it will only work before any point-release is released
[16:22] <bdmurray> right
[16:22] <sil2100> I guess we can figure out something to make it better for 22.04 for sure
[16:22] <sil2100> But you know, it was broken with .1, .2 and .3 and only now someone noticed! SO I don't think it's too high priority
[16:22] <bdmurray> What's the actual use case here?
[16:22] <sil2100> Let's card it but put somewhere lower in the backlog IMO
[16:24] <bdmurray> Given how long its been broken let's not bother carding it.
[16:25] <sil2100> +1
[16:25] <bdmurray> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[16:25] <bdmurray> #link http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[16:25] <bdmurray> vorlon:
[16:26] <vorlon> python-crypto: previously discussed, no action here, the package should eventually go away
[16:26] <vorlon> dbus-python: just blocked by pyqt5 now, we can ignore this for the time being
[16:26] <vorlon> libcgi-pm-perl: xypron: are you still working on this?
[16:26] <slyon> i resolved python-dbus down to numpy last week. seems to be stuck on pyopencl FTBFS now
[16:26] <slyon> s/python-dbus/dbus-python
[16:26] <xypron> vorlon: not actively this week
[16:27] <vorlon> xypron: ok; are you going to have time in the next week?
[16:27] <xypron> No I am in SF for the RISC-V conference
[16:27] <vorlon> for (relatively) new folks, note the expectation is that when taking one of these packages, it should be resolved by the next weekly meeting
[16:27] <vorlon> xypron: aha!
[16:27] <vorlon> can someone else look at libcgi-pm-perl this week?
[16:27] <ginggs> i can
[16:28] <vorlon> ginggs: thanks
[16:28] <ginggs> it may just need retries, we resolved a dependency cycle last week
[16:28] <vorlon> libidn: I looked at it on +1 maintenance, but that shift is over so needs a new point person
[16:29] <vorlon> waveform: could you?
[16:29] <schopin> this is blocked by ghostscript
[16:29] <waveform> vorlon, ack
[16:29] <vorlon> thanks
[16:29] <schopin> ginggs: didn't you mention a patch on -devel for it a few days ago?
[16:29] <vorlon> libregexp-pattern-license-perl: juliank: is this still you?
[16:29] <ginggs> schopin: ghostscript?
[16:29] <schopin> yes
[16:29] <juliank> vorlon: I think so, I think we are down to an infra hickup and MIR for licensecheck dep
[16:29] <vorlon> juliank: ok
[16:30] <vorlon> python-click is still mwhudson who's not here to refuse
[16:30] <ginggs> schopin: yes, i filed LP: #1953018 earlier, so that info didn't get lost
[16:30] <vorlon> dbungert: are you still on node-jquery?
[16:30] <juliank> ugh licensecheck/amd64 in main cannot depend on libio-interactive-perl in universe
[16:30] <dbungert> vorlon: yes, one more regression left on node-jquery
[16:31] <vorlon> schopin: gobject-introspection, is this still with you?
[16:31] <slyon> juliank: there is a pending MIR for that: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libio-interactive-perl/+bug/1951067
[16:31] <schopin> hmm, I marked it as done on my todolist... sorry, I'll have another look then.
[16:32] <juliank> schopin: hmm you did not fill it out :D
[16:32] <vorlon> schopin: ok. hasn't migrated, waiting on related packages - may need deeper poking
[16:32] <vorlon> doko: can you take liburi-perl?
[16:32] <slyon> juliank: indeed :) It needs to be filled by somebody
[16:32] <doko> ok, and looking at the python-crypto removal
[16:32] <juliank> sorry for the tab completion typo above
[16:33] <vorlon> doko: python-crypto removal consists of a lot of pestering of the openstack team :)
[16:33] <vorlon> so you can probably parallelize
[16:33] <doko> I'm good with pestering ;p
[16:33] <sil2100> ;)
[16:33] <vorlon> pam, this one has been looked at before, weird behavior regarding proxy env vars; I'll take it
[16:34] <vorlon> libwww-perl: ogayot: could you take this one?
[16:34] <ogayot> sure
[16:34] <vorlon> iso-codes: bdmurray?
[16:35] <bdmurray> okay
[16:35] <vorlon> gpgme1.0: sil2100?
[16:35] <ginggs> i've down for a gpgme1.0 merge
[16:35] <vorlon> oh actually I guess that's about python3-defaults not about gpgme1.0 anyway
[16:35] <ginggs> yeah
[16:35] <vorlon> ginggs: are you on top of python3-defaults then?
[16:35] <sil2100> ...win
[16:36] <ginggs> vorlon: i'm still hacking at it, if that's what you mean
[16:37] <vorlon> ok
[16:37] <bdmurray> he might be underneath it then
[16:37] <jawn-smith> I will also be in San Fran next week but I can take one to work over the next couple of days
[16:37] <vorlon> who doesn't have anything yet?
[16:38] <jawn-smith> o/
[16:38] <slyon> o/
[16:38] <vorlon> jawn-smith: libcommon-sense-perl, then?
[16:38] <vorlon> slyon: cmake?
[16:38] <slyon> vorlon: ok
[16:38] <jawn-smith> vorlon: ack
[16:38] <sil2100> Yesss, jawn-smith can now use his new powers, mu ha ha
[16:38] <vorlon> and then let's stop there
[16:38] <vorlon> openssl is also high priority, I'm poking at getting it unblocked this week
[16:38] <vorlon> fyi
[16:39] <slyon> I'll be working on systemd a bit once the first tests are finished
[16:39] <vorlon> (terminal open right now patching burp, thanks to guidance from schopin)
[16:39] <vorlon> bdmurray:
[16:39] <sil2100> vorlon: thanks!
[16:39] <bdmurray> #topic AOB
[16:40] <bdmurray> anything else?
[16:40] <jawn-smith> As previously mentioned, xypron and I will be out of office next week for the RISC-V summit
[16:40] <jawn-smith> I will return to work Friday
[16:41] <bdmurray> Be safe!
[16:41] <jawn-smith> just got boosted :)
[16:43] <bdmurray> okay, thanks everboyd
[16:43] <bdmurray> yes, big thanks to boyd
[16:43] <bdmurray> #endmeeting
[16:43] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:43:59 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-12-02-16.00.moin.txt
[16:44] <schopin> o/
[16:44] <slyon> o/
[16:45] <sil2100> o/
[19:55] <madhens> o/
[19:55] <madhens> Hello @Wild_Man!
[19:56] <Wild_Man> Hello madhens
[19:56] <Wild_Man> Hello diddledani Bashing-om
[19:57] <Wild_Man> Who all is here from the board
[19:57] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Here - bright eyed and bushy tailed :D How are you ?
[19:58] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I am good, just got home been at the cancer center with my wife all day
[19:58] <madhens> *offers a hugs and a cup of tea*
[19:58] <Wild_Man> Thanks madhens, I love tea
[19:59] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Sad state of affairs that ^ - good however that you make the meeting.
[19:59] <basenji> o/
[19:59] <Wild_Man> hi basenji
[20:00] <basenji> hello
[20:00] <diddledani> 👋🏻
[20:00] <Wild_Man> Good to see you apply basenji
[20:00] <Wild_Man> Hello nicoz-
[20:00] <basenji> Thank You !
[20:01] <Wild_Man> I am wildmanne39 on the forum
[20:01] <Wild_Man> You're welcome
[20:02] <Wild_Man> Hello Kilos, you awake?
[20:02] <Kilos> yessir
[20:02] <Kilos> sorry
[20:02] <Wild_Man> Good to see you
[20:02] <madhens> Okay, coffee for Kilos :)
[20:03] <Kilos> been trying to catch up with everything.
[20:03] <Kilos> ty madhens
[20:03] <Wild_Man> I guess we will wait a few minutes and see if nicoz makes it
[20:03] <Kilos> genii  is the coffee man
[20:03] <diddledani> we can get going with basenji in the meantime
[20:03]  * genii slides Kilos a topped up mug of strong black coffee just the right temperature for sipping
[20:03] <Kilos> ty ty ty
[20:03] <genii> :D
[20:04] <Wild_Man> diddledani, do you want to do the honors or should I?
[20:04] <diddledani> I'm easy either way :-)
[20:04] <Wild_Man> #startmeeting 20:00 UTC Membership Board Meeting
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[20:05] <Wild_Man> #startmeeting 20:00 UTC Membership Board Meeting
[20:05] <Wild_Man> Hello and welcome to the Membership Board meeting!
[20:05] <Wild_Man> The wiki page for the Review Board is available here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards. We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting.
[20:05] <Wild_Man> If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off. The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[20:05] <Wild_Man> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[20:05] <Wild_Man> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[20:07] <basenji> ready?
[20:07] <Wild_Man> basenji, please introduce yourself
[20:08] <basenji> I am Bernard Stafford
[20:08] <Wild_Man> Provide links to your wiki and launchpad pages please
[20:08] <basenji> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bernard%20Stafford  https://launchpad.net/~bernard010
[20:08] <Kilos> basenji  thats a short intro
[20:10] <basenji> I am excited to have an opportunity to become a Ubuntu Member. To belong to a great community.
[20:10] <nicoz-> hellp
[20:10] <diddledani> nicoz-: is that a cry for support? :-p
[20:10] <nicoz-> sorry for the delay
[20:10] <Wild_Man> basenji, impressive karma
[20:11] <nicoz-> hello*
[20:11] <diddledani> the karma on your profile, basenji is off the charts great
[20:11] <cjwatson> basenji asked me for a testimonial; I'm afraid I didn't have time to write one, but I can at least say that they've been a diligent and helpful reporter of spam in various support systems on Launchpad for some time
[20:11] <basenji> Thank You
[20:11] <diddledani> thanks, cjwatson
[20:11] <madhens> Thank you, cjwatson!
[20:12] <nicoz-> I was 10min late sorry
[20:12] <Kilos> ty cjwatson
[20:12] <diddledani> basenji: first question, more a formality, while you've signed the Code of Conduct we need to get you to confirm that you understood it when you signed it, and are agreeing that you'll be bound to the terms within for the duration of your contributions
[20:12] <Kilos> np nicoz-
[20:12] <Wild_Man> Thank you cjwatson
[20:12] <basenji> YES
[20:13] <Wild_Man> Hi nicoz-
[20:13] <Bashing-om> nicoz-: We get to your application after that of basenji :D
[20:14] <basenji> I fully understand the code of conduct.
[20:14] <diddledani> awesome :-)
[20:15] <diddledani> next question from me, where do you see your contributions going over the next 6 months to a year? will you be doing more of the same activity, or do you plan to get more involved over time?
[20:15] <Bashing-om> gasAnd in addition - for the record - you affirm to abide by the Code of Conduct for as long as you are a member?
[20:15] <Kilos> maybe i missed something basenji  where are you?
[20:15] <diddledani> Bashing-om: I asked that already ;-p
[20:15] <Wild_Man> Do you plan to get involved with any other aspects of support in the Ubuntu community basenji ?
[20:16] <basenji> More of the same active contributions.
[20:16] <Bashing-om> diddledani: :P Tunnel vision.
[20:16] <Kilos> lol
[20:16] <Kilos> Bashing-om  where are you?
[20:16] <basenji> Yes I will adbie to the code of conduct
[20:17] <Bashing-om> Kilos: USA - Arkansas be my physical location.
[20:17] <Kilos> no man
[20:17] <Kilos> basenji  where are you?
[20:17] <Kilos> sorry Bashing-om
[20:17] <diddledani> *tab* *tab* *fail*
[20:17] <basenji> USA
[20:18] <Wild_Man> Does anyone have any further questions for basenji
[20:18] <Kilos> haqve you been there long?
[20:18] <basenji> Nebraska
[20:19] <diddledani> basenji: do you plan to get in touch with other translators to become more integrated with the community to work as a team?
[20:19] <basenji> short time/
[20:19] <Kilos> basenji  hoe gaan jy die taal praat daar?
[20:20] <basenji> I present do speak the language here
[20:20] <Kilos> wow
[20:21] <Wild_Man> Are we ready to vote?
[20:21] <Kilos> ok Wild_Man
[20:21] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: yes
[20:21] <diddledani> just waiting on basenji's answer to my last question
[20:22] <basenji> I have tried to get in touch with other Afrikaans translators. no luck
[20:23] <Wild_Man> basenji, it is probably up to you to start your own team of translators in that case, it is hard to find volunteers sometimes
[20:23] <basenji> Yes if possible.
[20:24] <Wild_Man> #voters Wild_Man diddledan  Kilos Bashing-om
[20:24] <meetingology> Warning: 'diddledan' not in channel
[20:24] <meetingology> Current voters: Bashing-om, Kilos, Wild_Man, diddledan
[20:24] <Kilos> +1
[20:25] <basenji> I am an admin on launchpad translators: Afrikaans  https://launchpad.net/~lp-l10n-af
[20:25] <diddledani> missed my i
[20:25] <Wild_Man> #voters Wild_Man diddledani  Kilos Bashing-om
[20:25] <meetingology> Current voters: Bashing-om, Kilos, Wild_Man, diddledan, diddledani
[20:25] <diddledani> :-p
[20:25] <Wild_Man> +1
[20:25] <Kilos> grrrrr
[20:25] <Kilos> +1
[20:25] <Bashing-om> +1
[20:25] <Kilos> the bot is sick
[20:25] <Wild_Man> #vote basenji   membership
[20:25] <meetingology> Please vote on: basenji   membership
[20:25] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname')
[20:25] <Wild_Man> +1
[20:25] <meetingology> +1 received from Wild_Man
[20:25] <Kilos> +1
[20:25] <meetingology> +1 received from Kilos
[20:26] <Bashing-om> +1
[20:26] <meetingology> +1 received from Bashing-om
[20:26] <diddledani> +1 You've got a good karma on Launchpad and two good testimonials. I'd like to encourage you to try to get better integrated with the wider community so you're able to lean on people for support when you have problems
[20:26] <meetingology> +1 You've got a good karma on Launchpad and two good testimonials. I'd like to encourage you to try to get better integrated with the wider community so you're able to lean on people for support when you have problems received from diddledani
[20:26] <Wild_Man> #endvote
[20:26] <meetingology> Voting ended on: basenji   membership
[20:26] <meetingology> Votes for: 4, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 0
[20:26] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:27] <Wild_Man> Congratulations basenji
[20:27] <Bashing-om> congrats basenji !
[20:27] <madhens> Congrats!
[20:27] <nicoz-> ;)
[20:27] <Kilos> basenji  congrats, welcome aboard. hope to see you here and maybe in #ubuntu-za
[20:27] <basenji> AWESOME !
[20:29] <Wild_Man> #topic nicoz-
[20:29] <nicoz-> Hi everyone, my name is nico, I'm from Salerno(IT).. I have adhered to the code of conduct, I contribute to try the daily current of ubuntu and deriving, tracking bug and more... I daily help on Italian support channels and forums
[20:29] <nicoz-> my launchpad page https://launchpad.net/~nicoz91
[20:29] <nicoz-> I have already created a wiki page
[20:30] <nicoz-> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nicoz91
[20:31] <Wild_Man> You've signed the code of conduct. Did you understand everything it said and do you agree to abide by the spirit of the code of conduct?
[20:31] <nicoz-> yes
[20:32] <diddledani> we have one testimonial from nhaines on the Discourse https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/nicoz-membership-application/25381
[20:32] <Bashing-om> nicoz-: You are most active in translations - what language are you working - and for how long ?
[20:33] <nicoz-> English - Italian
[20:33] <nicoz-> for at least one hour a day I dedicated myself
[20:33] <nicoz-> now I'm testing the various daily for you
[20:33] <Wild_Man> nicoz-, you mention that you are active on the forum is that the Ubuntu Forums? can we have a link to your profile on the forums that you are active on please?
[20:33] <nicoz-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~nicoz91
[20:35] <nicoz-> just moment
[20:35] <nicoz-> https://forum.ubuntu-it.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=82309
[20:36] <nicoz-> registered since 2009
[20:36] <diddledani> I see your latest 10 translations are for fcitx in various releases of Ubuntu. Are you aware of the supported lifecycle of each release, and are you concentrating on currently-supported releases? I ask because I see several contributions against not-currently-supported releases
[20:37] <nicoz-> those that I find with less translations, regardless of the package, if it is important I can work on specific packages too
[20:38] <nicoz-> i have contribute https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy/+source/gnome-software
[20:39] <nicoz-> gnome-software is more important
[20:40] <nicoz-> very*
[20:41] <diddledani> are you currently a member of your local "loco"?
[20:42] <nicoz-> I have never requested it
[20:43] <nicoz-> now Italian volunteers on launchpad are ghosts :P lol
[20:43] <Kilos> nicoz-  join your local loco, always good to have friends to help close by
[20:43] <Kilos> wake up the ghosts
[20:43] <diddledani> what are your plans for the next 6 months to a year for contribution? are you going to continue your current contributions or do you intend to contribute more widely?
[20:44] <nicoz-> yes i will continue to contribute .. i have an open source debt since 2007
[20:45] <nicoz-> ever since i started using ubuntu i always wanted to repay what i got from you
[20:45] <nicoz-> i want to keep testing new versions, help #ubuntu-it users
[20:46] <Kilos> nicoz-  can you make spaghetti bolougnaise
[20:46] <diddledani> do we get sgetti?
[20:47] <Wild_Man> HAHAHA really?
[20:47] <Kilos> lol
[20:47] <Bashing-om> nicoz-: In your testing of new versions - as you encounter issues - do you make reports of the issues ?
[20:47] <nicoz-> also .. if you want to put the water to boil
[20:47] <nicoz-> ;O
[20:47] <nicoz-> :P
[20:48] <nicoz-> always basghin-om, I have the system in full reporting level
[20:48] <madhens> Okay, we really need to get arighi to apply for membership if pasta-making skill is now a qualification
[20:48] <nicoz-> I'm testing them on virtual machine, and on an hp g8
[20:49] <Kilos> madhens  its the sauce that counts
[20:49] <nicoz-> I'm also good as a cook madhens
[20:49] <nicoz-> ;)
[20:49] <diddledani> nicoz-: could you paste a link to a bug report you've filed, please?
[20:49] <Wild_Man> That makes a difference a little more difficult to report bugs that are not done on a bare metal system
[20:49] <nicoz-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/terminator/+bug/1952504
[20:50] <Wild_Man> I received page not found
[20:50] <nicoz-> I collaborated for a bot in python for debian-it
[20:50] <diddledani> same
[20:51] <nicoz-> https://gitlab.com/linux-lab1/deb-bot
[20:51] <nicoz-> I am currently also a delegate op of #debian-it on libera
[20:53] <Wild_Man> nicoz-, please understand that debian is not Ubuntu so what you do there I do not believe counts towards membership for Ubuntu
[20:53] <nicoz-> ah ok scuse me..
[20:54] <Wild_Man> No problem at all it's all important work and I commend you for it
[20:54] <nicoz-> ;)
[20:55] <nicoz-> I try to reciprocate to the open source world
[20:56] <Wild_Man> You say you are active on the forum do you know how long it has been since your last post there?
[20:57] <nicoz-> i prefer to give support on irc
[20:57] <nicoz-> have a direct approach with the user in order to lead him to the solution, wherever possible
[20:58] <Wild_Man> I understand, we all have out preference to where we give support
[20:58] <Wild_Man> out/our
[20:58] <diddledani> are there any members of the #ubuntu-it channel that can provide supporting testimonials?
[20:59] <nicoz-> I try to always be polite and friendly with users
[20:59] <nicoz-> you can ask mapreri who sees me very often active on the channel
[20:59] <nicoz-> obviously we don't know each other
[21:00] <Kilos> nicoz-  try  and make friends with the guys on the channels you work on
[21:01] <Kilos> alsways handy to get support from known members
[21:01] <nicoz-> of course I have friends in the community
[21:01] <nicoz-> however many are not ubuntu members
[21:02] <mapreri> uh hi
[21:02] <mapreri> what's up?
[21:02] <Kilos> hi mapreri  we are looking for support for nicoz-
[21:02] <nicoz-> i was applying for mapreri membership
[21:02] <mapreri> for what?
[21:02] <mapreri> ah
[21:02] <Wild_Man> Ubuntu Membership
[21:02] <nicoz-> i was applying for membership
[21:03] <mapreri> did the process change?  back in my time one would collect endorsments in the wiki page long before the meetings :D
[21:03] <Wild_Man> It is still that way but he has none
[21:03] <nicoz-> they are already in the wiki
[21:04] <nicoz-> if it's a problem, it doesn't matter
[21:04] <mapreri> Yes, I've seen nicoz- around IRC channels for quite a long time (can't remember how long, so it's likely very long) also giving support to people.  but uh, besides that I'm afraid I don't have an impression of nicoz- :(
[21:04] <mapreri> nicoz-: they are not in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nicoz91 - where should we look for them?
[21:05]  * mapreri lives in a bubble, so unless one works on the same things as me it's not easy for me to notice :(
[21:05] <nicoz-> indeed mapreri is not very active
[21:05] <nicoz-> :P
[21:06] <mapreri> nowadays I do most of my things in debian eheh :)
[21:06] <nicoz-> ;P ctte
[21:07] <Wild_Man> Thank you mapreri
[21:07] <Wild_Man> #voters Wild_Man diddledan  Kilos Bashing-om
[21:07] <meetingology> Current voters: Bashing-om, Kilos, Wild_Man, diddledan, diddledani
[21:08] <diddledani> you got my name wrong again ;-p
[21:08] <Wild_Man> #voters Wild_Man diddledani Kilos Bashing-om
[21:08] <meetingology> Current voters: Bashing-om, Kilos, Wild_Man, diddledan, diddledani
[21:08] <Kilos> +1
[21:08] <Kilos> grrrrr
[21:08] <Wild_Man> +1
[21:08] <Wild_Man> #vote nicoz- membership
[21:08] <meetingology> Please vote on: nicoz- membership
[21:08] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname')
[21:08] <Wild_Man> +1
[21:08] <meetingology> +1 received from Wild_Man
[21:08] <Kilos> +1
[21:09] <meetingology> +1 received from Kilos
[21:09] <diddledani> -1. I'd like to see more evidence and testimonial data. Please check my wiki page for an example of what I provided when I applied: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/diddledani
[21:09] <meetingology> -1. I'd like to see more evidence and testimonial data. Please check my wiki page for an example of what I provided when I applied: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/diddledani received from diddledani
[21:09] <Bashing-om> +1
[21:09] <meetingology> +1 received from Bashing-om
[21:10] <Wild_Man> #endvote
[21:10] <meetingology> Voting ended on: nicoz- membership
[21:10] <meetingology> Votes for: 3, Votes against: 1, Abstentions: 0
[21:10] <meetingology> Motion carried
[21:10] <mapreri> (I also have a bunch of examples fwiw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MattiaRizzolo/#Testimonials_for_Ubuntu_membership )
[21:10] <Wild_Man> Congratulations nicoz-
[21:10] <mapreri> \o/
[21:10] <nicoz-> ;)
[21:11] <Wild_Man> #endmeeting
[21:11] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 21:11:18 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-12-02-20.04.moin.txt
[21:11]  * diddledani goes to correct pronouns and Dan-vs-Dani on my wiki
[21:11] <Kilos> nicoz-  congratulations,  welcome about. hope to see you online more often
[21:12] <Kilos> Wild_Man  thank you for chairing
[21:12] <nicoz-> my pleasure ;)
[21:12] <basenji> I would like to thank everyone for all of your hard work and dedication for Ubuntu and Launchpad.
[21:12] <Bashing-om> nicoz-: Please be aware - it is nhaines' endorsement that changes my mind - I do expect significant contributions to the Ubuntu eco-system in the future from you.
[21:13] <madhens> Congrats to both of you! Please, if there's anything the community team can help with (reaching out to other translators, local groups, etc.) please let us know.
[21:13] <Wild_Man> basenji, and nicoz- you will be added to the team shortly, it will take up to 48 hours for you to get your email setup for Ubuntu
[21:13] <basenji> OK Thanks
[21:13] <Wild_Man> I have to run
[21:13] <Kilos> wilgo well
[21:13] <Kilos> grrrr
[21:13] <nicoz-> ;)
[21:14] <madhens> I need to run too but thanks again, all!
[21:14] <Kilos> ty madhens
[21:14] <basenji> A special thank you to @cjwatson
[21:14] <diddledani> Both of you are added to the group on Launchpad. Congratulations
[21:14] <Kilos> ty diddledani
[21:15] <diddledani> don't forget to check the perks (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership#The_Perks) and request your certificates (https://forms.canonical.com/certificate/)
[21:16] <diddledani> your @ubuntu.com email addresses will go live within 48 hours, please don't set them as your primary launchpad email address because that will cause them to loop


[01:36] <x1k> heyyo
[01:42] <InHisName> Hidy Ho
[09:37] <rmg51> Morning
[10:06] <JonathanD> Good morning.
[10:40] <rmg51> o/
[12:09] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples
[12:15] <jedijf> countdown to HOPE \o/
[12:24] <pleia2> jedijf: is -us-pa doing a special thing at fosscon? (I seem to recall some ubuntu health clinic plans or something)
[12:29] <pleia2> and added to planet http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12082003&postcount=65
[12:53] <JonathanD> pleia2: theres an ubuntu room run by us-[a
[12:53] <JonathanD> us-pa, even
[12:53] <pleia2> what will happen in the ubuntu room?
[12:54] <JonathanD> Ubuntu things :D
[12:54] <pleia2> okie :)
[12:54] <JonathanD> pleia2: install and troubleshooting assistance.
[12:54] <JonathanD> Last I heard, anyway.
[12:55] <pleia2> should put details from the announcement on plug list on the site, the "fosscon 2012 announcement" is pretty old
[12:55] <JonathanD> I'm planning on sending one Weds.
[12:55] <JonathanD> at the one month mark.
[12:55] <JonathanD> Today I have in depth hat negotiations.
[12:56] <JonathanD> (we're getting fosscon baseball caps.)
[12:56] <pleia2> i meant, put this on the website: http://lists.netisland.net/archives/plug/plug-2012-05/msg00130.html
[12:56] <JonathanD> Good idea.
[12:56] <pleia2> it's better than the current info :)
[12:57]  * pleia2 getting some fosscon stuff together so she can write blog post while offline on plane
[12:58] <jedijf> pleia2: Ubuntu Village - featuring an all day installfest and other stuff - with ZERO replies on forum and ml
[12:59] <JonathanD> Done.
[12:59] <jedijf> maybe even build your own Linux laptop and take home!!! Desktops too, possible.
[12:59] <jedijf> possibly
[13:00] <JonathanD> pleia2: you should add that to your post, drive some attention to it.
[13:00] <pleia2> JonathanD: I can't figure out how to read the rest of that post
[13:00] <JonathanD> jedijf: replies in general, or for volunteers.
[13:00] <pleia2> I think it needs a title?
[13:00] <JonathanD> Hold on...
[13:00] <JonathanD> wp is being very sluggish this morning.
[13:00] <jedijf> JonathanD: both - but lots read and lurk
[13:01] <jedijf> i'll add more after HOPE, it's still a little early
[13:01] <JonathanD> I should bump up the cutoff on length too
[13:01] <JonathanD> pleia2: title fixed.
[13:01] <pleia2> jedijf: once you post about the ubuntu village on the pennsylvania blog I'll be sure that gets into ubuntu weekly newsletter too
[13:01] <pleia2> JonathanD: yay!
[13:02] <jedijf> pleia2: maybe i'll even do an irc FOSSCON planning meeting to give report page some play ;)
[13:03] <pleia2> hehe
[13:04] <jedijf> maybe we'll do a ras pi ubu image hack event in the village too (i need a reason to f with core)
[13:04] <jedijf> since ssweeny's dragging his feet.........
[13:04] <ssweeny> who's doing what in to what now?
[13:05] <jedijf> oh snap, the employees are ganging up
[13:05] <jedijf> it there a button for that or something?
[13:05] <jedijf> *is
[13:05] <pleia2> hah
[13:06] <rmg51> it's called a trigger
[13:06] <rmg51> just point and pull
[13:09] <jedijf> mitch altman put the gun range across from hive in his flickr pool for the event :)
[13:09] <jedijf> in case you need to practice, before you pull