[15:20] <dersand> xStark, do i want the "Yumi" or the "UUI"?
[15:20] <Dany0> no self-respecting man ever says "oops caps", CAPS ARE CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL, MAN
[15:20] <MonkeyDust> dersand  make sure you use the desktop version, not the server version
[15:20] <Dany0> embrace it 8)
[15:20] <xStark> dersand: Even I used the "Easy as 123" one. It worked perfectly
[15:20] <nyc-h0st> ActionParsnip, that worked thx, why did it work with tee?
[15:20] <Oimi> Alright, I have looked again with fresh eyes and found that what I would be looking for is something similar to eCryptfs or EncFS. Which would allow me to encrypt selected files / directories and would allow for a post login decryption meaning even if the system starts up and someone logs in, they still need to decrypt my files. (Easy but let's not make it easier by leaving all unencrypted). So anyone who's a bit savvy with any of those encr
[15:20] <Oimi> yption types?
[15:20] <Alet> Hi all!
[15:20] <Alet> Could somebody say where am I can get a list of pgp keys of official people of Ubuntu?
[15:20] <dersand> Allright then, let's format the usb and begin from scratch
[15:21] <xStark> dersand: Great then
[15:21] <dersand> ubuntu version 14.0.1 is fine?
[15:21] <johnny_linux> LTS
[15:21] <xStark> Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS is the one with the long term support
[15:21] <xStark> But any version works
[15:22] <xStark> dersand: Before we continue. I would like to know the source of your .iso file
[15:22] <MonkeyDust> Alet  launchpad.net
[15:22] <dersand> xStark ubunto.com/downloads/desktop
[15:22] <dersand> i just searched ubunto iso on google and got the first one
[15:23] <k1l_> dersand: xStark any 14.04 release is a LTS release. the last digit .1 or .2 or .3 is just a "pointrelease" like you know the servicepack from windows. it got all updates bundled in already
[15:23] <auronandace> dersand: there is no o in ubuntu
[15:23] <xStark> dersand: I don't see the webpage...
[15:23] <k1l_> dersand: so i would o for the 14.04.3 iso if you plan to install. but you can use the 14.04.1 and run the updates after the install.
[15:23] <xStark> I'll be right back
[15:23] <dersand> well the filename is "ubuntu-14.04.3-desktop-amd64" so i guess it's the latest?
[15:23] <k1l_> dersand: yes. that is fine
[15:24] <xStark> It's not the latest
[15:24] <xStark> It's the long term support one
[15:24] <TJ-> !download | dersand
[15:24] <xStark> And the one recommended
[15:24] <k1l_> xStark: its the latest 14.04 LTS version. so its fine for him when he wants LTS.
[15:24] <dersand> is that okay for making a bootable or should i use the other one (15.04)?
[15:24] <xStark> No its ok
[15:24] <xStark> It will do
[15:25] <Alet> MonkeyDust: thanks
[15:25] <k1l_> dersand: dont make it too complicated right now. that 14.04.3 is totally fine now.
[15:25] <dersand> roger that
[15:25] <elieocto> hi all
[15:25] <dersand> so, it's not a compromised source? The file itself is good?
[15:26] <k1l_> dersand: what OS are you on right now?
[15:26] <dersand> w10
[15:26] <Dany0> so bitbucket doesn't support ipv6 either :S
[15:26] <datnig> ActionParsnip: other ideas?
[15:26] <ActionParsnip> datnig: all I can suggest is report a bug.
[15:27] <k1l_> dersand: you can check the .iso md5sum hash. so you know if that .iso is a original one or if there was an issue on the download: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#MD5SUM_on_Windows
[15:27] <Dany0> dersand: https://elementary.io/docs/installation
[15:27] <linocisco> hi all, my ubuntu 15.04 has problem printing to Canon LBP 3050 Printer via USB. print jobs are pending and not processing
[15:28] <k1l_> Dany0: this is #ubuntu
[15:28] <Dany0> and?
[15:28] <linocisco> hi all, my ubuntu 15.04 x64 has problem printing to Canon LBP 3050 Printer via USB. print jobs are pending and not processing
[15:28] <akik> Dany0: what is the company where you bought your vps?
[15:28] <Dany0> akik: wedos
[15:28] <ActionParsnip> linocisco: have you tried adding the latest HPLIP from the HPLIP site?
[15:28] <linocisco> ActionParsnip, what is HPLIP ?
[15:28] <k1l_> Dany0: for elementary OS please see their channels and support.
[15:28] <xStark> back
[15:28] <Dany0> I'm trying to help dersand
[15:28] <xStark> My keyboards broken
[15:29] <ActionParsnip> linocisco: its the universal driver for nearly all HP printers
[15:29] <linocisco> ActionParsnip, it is cannon
[15:29] <k1l_> Dany0: the elementary site is not helping on a ubuntu install
[15:29] <xStark> dersand: Did you format USB and try to install .iso file on it again
[15:29] <dersand> xStark, not yet
[15:29] <Dany0> dersand seems to be ignoring me anyway
[15:29] <TJ-> linocisco: Have you checked the /var/log/cups/ entries for clues?
[15:29] <ActionParsnip> linocisco: sorry, brainfart
[15:29] <dersand> k1l_ where can i find the md5 checksum for my lts version?
[15:30] <ActionParsnip> linocisco: did you get the driver from the Canon site? They make debs for some of their devices :)
[15:30] <linocisco> ActionParsnip, ubuntu detected and when I installed downloaded 64bit CAPT driver, it was installed and connected to localhost in printer list with green tick sign
[15:30] <ActionParsnip> linocisco: check the Canon Europe site
[15:30] <auronandace> !md5 | dersand
[15:30] <k1l_> dersand: http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04.3/MD5SUMS
[15:30] <dersand> k1l_ yeah it's the same
[15:31] <k1l_> dersand: ok, then make it a bootable usb, and then reboot and go
[15:31] <xStark> Then it should be able to be installed into a USB flash drive easily
[15:31] <ActionParsnip> linocisco: im not seeing a LBP 3050 on the Canon website
[15:31] <linocisco> TJ-, there are lots of error files .gz
[15:32] <dersand> xStark k1l_ http://i.imgur.com/L4R67J4.png
[15:32] <TJ-> linocisco: you can view them using 'less /var/log/cups/<filename>' (less knows to pipe .gz compressed files through gunzip)
[15:32] <k1l_> dersand: the us drive will be erased, so if you want to keep some data copy that before
[15:32] <xStark> dersand: So far, so good. Press create. Try to to interrupt it in between.
[15:33] <dersand> k1l_ no sensative data so we're good
[15:33] <TJ-> linocisco: But most recent files won't be compressed, such as 'error_log' and 'access_log'
[15:33] <ActionParsnip> linocisco: try removing the printer powering it off, after rebooting, log back in then power on the printer
[15:34] <linocisco> TJ-, yes. some are not compressed
[15:34] <xStark> dersand: First it'll extract some files, so the status bar won't move for a few minutes.
[15:34] <xStark> All you can do now is wait
[15:34] <dersand> halv way there
[15:34] <linocisco> ActionParsnip, TJ- the one I installed is Linux_CAPT_PrinterDriver_V260_uk_EN.tar.gz
[15:35] <linocisco> ActionParsnip, TJ- I dont remember where I got it . But I am sure I first referred to ubuntu CAPT official link
[15:35] <dersand> k1l_ xStark http://i.imgur.com/YU738Z1.png
[15:36] <ActionParsnip> linocisco: try the steps, it should readd the printer using the current drivers and may help
[15:36] <k1l_> dersand: reboot, choose usb on boot, done
[15:36] <dersand> k1l_ i don't need to reboot the computer i just did the installation on, right?
[15:37] <dersand> but rather the one i want to boot on
[15:37] <auronandace> dersand: you want to boot from the usb, this means you need to reboot
[15:37] <k1l_> dersand: you installed a live-ubuntu onto the usb drive.
[15:38] <linocisco> ActionParsnip, TJ- thanks. that didn't help as I can't find correct driver yet. btw. let me come back online after 15 mins max. excuse me
[15:38] <auronandace> dersand: plug it into the computer you want to boot from
[15:38] <k1l_> dersand: ah ok. yes unmount it and put it in the pc you want to boot. then choose usb boot in the boot-menu there
[15:38] <dersand> k1l_ gotcha
[15:38] <xStark> dersand: You installed it into a flash drive, nothing else
[15:38] <xStark> You must plug the USB into a desired device
[15:38] <xStark> and boot from the USB
[15:39] <dersand> yeah i know how to boot, it's just that i have two computers. One who i want to boot from and the other one which i'm sitting on right now, on irc and installing the drive
[15:39] <C_minus> hello guys. what does this sound like to you: ubuntu 14.04 has problems connecting to home WIFI (often doesn't connect at all, or takes several attempts), but no problems connecting at work, school, public, phone tethers etc. Also, all other computers, including same laptop's Win7 partition connect to home WIFI without problems.
[15:40] <akik> Dany0: nat64 seems to be what you want, or else buy a ipv4 address :)
[15:42] <dersand> k1l_ xStark it's been like two minutes now... https://dl.pushbulletusercontent.com/Po8zgxGDVX84InxpwjWl9va3CQVESGDR/20150930_174117.jpg
[15:42] <dersand> also sorry for long link
[15:42] <xStark> dersand: Wait for a few more minutes, let us know.
[15:42] <k1l_> dersand: yes. that takes some time. usb is slow
[15:43] <dersand> xStark k1l_ roger roger
[15:45] <dersand> sorry accidently closed irc
[15:46] <xStark> dersand: Any changes?
[15:46] <TJ-> dersand: "Loading Operating System ..." may not be a message from the installer; I strongly suspect that is from the PC's BIOS/Firmware. That suggests the installer isn't being booted correctly. What make/model is the PC?
[15:47] <dersand> xStark nothing
[15:47] <dersand> TJ- it's a custom pc. Gigabyte z68 motherboard
[15:47] <xStark> I agree with TJ
[15:47] <Dany0> akik: yup that sounds like a solution. a very complicated one. in the meantime, I've got myself an innovative solution! \:D/ I'll get latest ruby by upgrading to 15.04 :D
[15:47] <xStark> Is the version of windows 10 legit
[15:47] <dersand> xStark my w10 is legit
[15:48] <TJ-> dersand: I re-fixed a ISO boot issue recently, whereby buggy BIOS implementations cause the boot to fail just like that. I suspect you may be affected by the same issue.
[15:48] <dersand> i'll leave it running, i have to go but i will be back, please whisper me stuff if you feel the need and i will respond to it
[15:48] <TJ-> dersand: Do you have access to another working Linux PC, so we could easily apply the potential workaround ?
[15:49] <dersand> tj- i'll get back to that in like 20-30-40 minutes. Whisper me if so i don't have to scroll back so much up later ^^
[15:49]  * Dany0 slaps TJ- around a bit with a large fishbot
[15:49] <Dany0> oops
[15:49] <Dany0> sorry I wantedo query, misclicked in webchat
[15:50] <akik> Dany0: here's another link for the gateways http://hydra.geht.net/tino/english/opinion/ipv6/ipv4/list/
[15:51] <TJ-> dersand: FYI bug 277903
[15:52] <Guest64566> for the trusty repo of ubuntu there is approximately 45940 packages in the repo i am wondering if anybody has older ubuntu os's like ...10 ,12 ,....etc and can give me a sudo apt-cache search . | wc -l
[15:53] <Guest64566> so i can determine the growth of the repo's between os's versions
[15:53] <TJ-> Guest64566: you can pull the package lists in manually from the repos
[15:53] <akik> Dany0: it looks like you only have to set up the dns servers in the configuration
[15:54] <Dany0> can you point where it says that because I'm browsing this and Ecdysis and I'm struggling to find instructions :s
[15:55] <Dany0> found it!
[15:55] <Guest64566> TJ how are you suggesting to do that i have all the repo sections like source code packages , main repo , proprietery repo ,multiverse check under the ubuntu software center
[15:56] <akik> Dany0: test it and report back. i have a ipv4 address and a tunnel from tunnelbroker.net. really interesed about your results
[15:56] <Guest64566> but imagine i would have to turn all these on and point to the different repo's when issuing apt-cache search .
[15:56] <Guest64566> like lucid repo ,...etc
[15:56] <Dany0> alrighty then, just for you
[15:57] <akik> :)
[15:57] <TJ-> Guest64566: don't use apt-cache; pull the package lists in directly and parse them
[15:59] <TJ-> Guest64566: E.g. something like "wget -O - http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/source/Sources.bz2 | bunzip2 -c | grep '^Package:' | wc -l"  ... and make that more generic so you scan multiple releases (breezy, feisty, hardy, lucid, etc), and multiple components (main, universe, multiverse, restricted)
[15:59] <lehzm> could anyone recommend a good piece of software to do bulk rename of files?
[16:00] <lehzm> similar to tag & rename on windows?
[16:00] <TJ-> Guest64566: note that my example counts the source-code packages; multiple binary packages are often created by a source package so you many want to modify that to fetch the binary package lists instead
[16:00] <TJ-> lehzm: "man rename"
[16:01] <Guest64566> O i was thinking there was a way with apt-add-repository but then i would have to specifically add and remove repo's to get that affect not even sure it would work this way... though if i had the source.list file for each os's version i could probably switch out them temporarily
[16:01] <TJ-> Guest64566: That'd be the hard way to do it.
[16:01] <Technobliterator> I just downloaded an update for my game, and now it's giving the error: "Failed to create OpenGL context"
[16:01] <Technobliterator> anyway to fix this problem?
[16:04] <Guest64566> I notice your os's your missing some is there away to get all the os versions package repo's in one newest thru olds
[16:05] <Guest64566> And yes i am ok with regex to grep for specific repo or specific things thanks for that process i do think it would be the easier way to go then doing it with add-apt-repo... way
[16:05] <lehzm> TJ-: thanks ill check it out
[16:06] <TJ-> Guest64566: the URL I gave you is for the retired releases (no longer supported). The currently supported releases are on archive.ubuntu.com
[16:08] <Guest64566> willy is the newest repo / os's version package repo's
[16:08] <Pici> wily*
[16:08] <Guest64566> ya cool thanks
[16:10] <Guest64566> O one more thing is source packages can one compile these to create the binary packages. if so then i am wondering if one compiles a source package will he have any dependency issues or is that taken care of by apt-get install at the time you install the source package
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> Technobliterator: which game?
[16:13] <Guest64566> because i know if one downloads source .tar files you can get library dependency issues that create package hell but does down loading the source package always get around this so one has no issue in building the package from source. if so then why do we have the binary packages why not safe space and only provide source packages that people just issue ./configure ; make ; make install or with a few commands
[16:14] <genii> Guest64566: Because if you're really hell-bent on compiling them from source, it's much easier to just use the built in apt-build
[16:14] <Guest64566> I am just trying to figure out the benift of having it in a source package or binary package if one is not going to modify the code in any way what would be the differences... won't the source package downloads create the binary packages that you could down load directly anyway
[16:17] <Guest64566> well i am curious if one downloads the source package with apt-get install will it clear up any building issues that could go wrong with ./configure ; make ; make install or the building/dependencies for it
[16:18] <Guest64566> basically does apt-get install for source packages clear up dependency issues for compilation of the source package or is it still going to be like downloading a tar having to correct package issues
[16:20] <genii> Guest64566: You do beforehand apt-get build-dep <packagename>
[16:20]  * genii wanders out to grab his lunch
[16:20] <Guest64566> I know binary package apt-get install clears up the issues of installing a built program i.e is smart enough to find from .deb format all the dependencies and clear up any installing issues... so was wondering for source packages does it also download the dependencies / clear issue that arise when building the source package
[16:21] <TJ-> Guest64566: If we really wanted to build from source the procedure is: "PKG="package-name"; apt-get source ${PKG}; apt-get build-dep ${PKG}; cd ${PKG}-${VERSION}; fakeroot debian/rules binary" - at that poing we have the compiled binaries in the parent directory ready for installation.
[16:21] <tgm4883> Guest64566: genii just told you how to get the build dependencies
[16:21] <A124> Ubuntu sucks balls .. well note ven that :D
[16:22] <Guest64566> well all i do currently is apt-get install which may do that in the back sense for binary packages so was curious about the source packages and weather i would get any issues of compiling them
[16:25] <Guest64566> O so then what is the difference between apt-get source  and downloading using apt-get install sourcepackagename
[16:25] <ignacio> Guest64566,
[16:25] <ignacio> man apt-get
[16:26] <Dany0> I used `useradd` to add a new user, but it did not create a home directory for him nor did it copy a default .bashrc, is that not the preferred way to add users?
[16:26] <akik> Dany0: useradd has option -m to create the home dir
[16:26] <tgm4883> Dany0: you're might be looking for adduser
[16:26] <Dany0> ahh
[16:27] <Guest64566> I just was wondering what the difference was between apt-get install sourcepackage as opposed to apt-get source package ; apt-get build-dep package
[16:27] <Guest64566> for a source package
[16:27] <Dany0> nope
[16:27] <Dany0> tgm4883: "adduser is more user friendly and interactive than its back-end  useradd. There's no difference in features provided"
[16:27] <tgm4883> Guest64566: can you apt-get a source package
[16:27] <TJ-> Guest64566: that won't work: "apt-get install <sourcepackage>" ==> "E: Unable to locate package"
[16:27] <Dany0> maybe I'm ... ah
[16:28] <tgm4883> Dany0: I know that. The fact that it leads you through it makes it a little nicer :)
[16:28] <Guest64566> but then why doesn't apt-cache search . list all the packages in the repo location you have
[16:28] <ioria> repos
[16:28] <tgm4883> Guest64566: it does?
[16:28] <TJ-> adduser also uses skeleton files for creating the home directory, and applies default group memberships
[16:29] <Guest64566> yes even source one right
[16:29] <tgm4883> Guest64566: I'm unsure if it lists source package names, I doubt it
[16:29] <Guest64566> so if your correct if i chose a source package and try to apt-get install it i will get an error and have to apt-get source to install it.. is that what you are saying
[16:30] <Guest64566> Because there the system control center i never have the distinction
[16:30] <Guest64566> so curious at the command line know gui level
[16:31] <tgm4883> Guest64566: I'm not entirely sure what you're asking anymore
[16:31] <Dany0> tgm4883: yess adduser copied over bashrc, yay!
[16:31] <Dany0> thanks
[16:31] <TJ-> Guest64566: People using a GUI almost always are not interested in the source-code packages, so listing them would be a distraction and a confusion
[16:32] <Dany0> I can now set a 20000-character password for root and forget about it, just to be safe in case quantum computers took over the world tomorrow :D
[16:32] <Guest64566> Ok but if you checkbox them on and install them thru the gui the gui is calling apt-get source not apt-get install
[16:32] <Guest64566> yes or no?
[16:33] <TJ-> Guest64566: You'd need to look at the Software Centre source code to determine how it performs te actions. I'd guess it calls library functions rather than a sub-process.
[16:34] <Guest64566> also apt-get download allows one to download a package weather it is source or binary one into any directory he wants but when you issue a apt-get install that package it would install it always to the /bin , /usr/bin ,...etc directories is there away to change where it installs to or is this not allowed because of path/dependency location issues
[16:38] <Guest64566> so i guess if you have a .deb file from apt-get and want to install it must it always install to a certain hardcoded location based on the .deb file or can you thru dpkg or apt-get commands change the installation directory
[16:39] <Guest64566> so in the cases where some one was running out of room on his memory or other places where the standard folders resided... i guess he could remount the folder or do some chroot thing to get the equivalent.
[16:40] <tgm4883> Guest64566: what is your end goal here?
[16:40] <gorgonzola> hello peoples. I have a laptop with an NVIDIA Optimus hybrid card, and I used to have it configured to work with bumblebee, with no issues. After updating to vivid and installing nvidia-current-updates, I noticed X is using the discrete NVIDIA card as default. How can I make sure that the discrete card is not used by X by default? I still want to have it available to use with bumblebee, so disabling it in BIOS or removing nvidia
[16:40] <gorgonzola> drivers is not an option. Thanks!
[16:40] <Dany0> akik: just to be sure, since I'm not a dns server, I don't need DNS64 right?
[16:40] <Guest64566> figuring out how to switch the installation directory for a package installed
[16:41] <Guest64566> or beable to install to any directory i want
[16:41] <akik> Dany0: you configured your vps to use the dns64 servers
[16:41] <tgm4883> Guest64566: so there isn't an "Installation directory" generally. There are a few
[16:41] <akik> Dany0: configure
[16:41] <Guest64566> because i would imagine all one would have to do is update there PATH variable accordingly to the new install dirs
[16:42] <Guest64566> yes i know that but there usually the default /sbin , usr/bin , /bin ,...etc buitin directories
[16:42] <Guest64566> i was wondering if you could change the location  of where the .deb is to be installed
[16:42] <tgm4883> Guest64566: It would be application dependant I believe, you may have to recompile
[16:42] <k1l_> Guest64566: http://askubuntu.com/a/236149/31260   tl;dr some workarounds possible but not guarantee to work
[16:43] <tgm4883> Guest64566: it's FAR easier to just mount additional storage
[16:44] <gorgonzola> Guest64566 In general, I would say that that goes against the way in which unix systems are suposed to work, so it sounds like a bad idea. What are you trying to accomplish? I'm sure there is an easier way to do what you want than messing with the way debian packages are installed.
[16:44] <Guest64566> O ya so you would need to rebuild the source or deb package itself to uses a different location didn't know if there was some switch in apt-get or dpkg command to do that automatically
[16:44] <gorgonzola> Guest64566 one option, is to manually open the deb file for the desired package, and copy its contents to one of the system folders for which you (the user) has total control, like /usr/local or even better, /opt
[16:44] <k1l_> Guest64566: you try to solve problem B instead of solving problem A. so focus on the reason why you want to install in a different place
[16:45] <tgm4883> k1l_: +1
[16:45] <TJ-> Guest64566: No, source rebuild isn't required. The paths stored in the DATA section of a .deb are relative. The host installer prefixes that with the system path
[16:45] <Guest64566> I have a distro running in memory that doesn't have enough space for /bin /usr/bin growth every much so limiting me to install only a few things without having to remove then reinstall all the time i was wondering if i could uses a temporary storage devices
[16:46] <dersand> Alright, i'm back
[16:46] <akik> is the correct way to configure certain dns servers to use dns-nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[16:46] <TJ-> dersand: FYI bug 277903
[16:46] <dersand> tj- pardon?
[16:47] <TJ-> dersand: That *may* be the workaround for the BIOS bug  that is causing the install to fail
[16:48] <dersand> tj- is there a download or something i'm missing on that link?
[16:48] <BluesKaj> akik:  usually yes, but some OSs have resolv.conf/resolv.conf.d file that overwrites dns setings
[16:48] <Guest64566> so i can download to any folder the source /binary .deb packages but when i install them they install to the location that i have limited memory/storage growth for. So was curious if i can install them to another partition or place where i do have storage for/growth for packages
[16:48] <dersand> tj- also, i'm not sure if it were you who asked. But i have dual os setup, i have a ubuntu version installed if that could help.
[16:49] <gorgonzola> Guest64566 The way you wuld normally d what you want, is to mount extra storage under /usr
[16:49] <TJ-> dersand: No. Before you went AWOL I asked if you had access to a Linux PC so you could build and test the workaround easily
[16:49] <Guest64566> that would require switching the install dir not switching the download places
[16:49] <yar|> Hi
[16:49] <gorgonzola> Guest64566 wait, let me catch up woith your messages, i think i missed something
[16:50] <TJ-> dersand: if you could boot into an Ubuntu install you can easily apply the workaround patch to the ISO image - if the Ubuntu install also has access to the .iso you downloaded
[16:50] <ProfMac> ;;ident
[16:50] <dersand> tj- will the whole thing be easier if i just switch to ubuntu?
[16:50] <Guest64566> so remount /usr to another secondary storage device if i do that i would have to make a copy of what was in the orginal usr directory onto the newly mounted one right? Is that all that is required for me to be all set
[16:51] <mcphail> Guest64566: you can run "apt-get download packagename" to get a .deb, then run "dpkg-deb --extract . filename.deb" to unpack it. You can then put the binary files wherever you want. Doesn't guarantee success, though
[16:51] <yar|> How are the ftp ports chosen, in PASV mode?
[16:51] <pero> im having weird sound issues on 14.04 after some updates - i get staticy sound in vlc until i maximize/minimize the window, flash playback is very choppy, and sound in csgo only works after 5 minutes. anyone have any ideas?
[16:51] <yar|> (using ftp)
[16:51] <akik> BluesKaj: name resolution is so important that there should be clear instructions
[16:51] <TJ-> Guest64566: underneath all package managers is a call to 'dpkg -i'  to install a binary package. 'dpkg' has the option "--instdir=dir" to change the base directory and it defaults to "/"
[16:52] <gorgonzola> Guest64566 running out of space in /usr in an already installed system is a complicated issue.
[16:52] <ActionParsnip> pero: what is the output of:    wget -O alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && chmod +x ./alsa-info.sh && ./alsa-info.sh --upload
[16:52] <ActionParsnip> gorgonzola: just remove apps you don't need. Should do it
[16:52] <LoRez> Does anybody know where the kernel repo is that has all of the security updates in it?  I need to bisect the diff between 3.13.0-63 and -65
[16:52] <TJ-> dersand: very much so! As long as you have the .iso (or the USB flash device) available there. We only have to patch the first 440 bytes of it to test this workaround :)
[16:53] <pero> ActionParsnip, http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=ebebb2495be35684b44c28434f25592ce5307383
[16:53] <gorgonzola> ActionParsnip that is assuming there are apps that he doesn't need. Buying a larger harddrive is also a solution.
[16:53] <k1l_> LoRez: you mean mainline?
[16:53] <k1l_> !mainline | LoRez
[16:53] <dersand> tj- well i don't have it there. But i guess i could just add it on the usb and drag it onto ubuntu there?
[16:54] <Guest64566> Ok i will look more indepth with your command switches... curious on if i did remount /usr to another location say could i remount the old /usr as part of the new mount /usr directory... or would i have to copy first all the stuff over... just curious if the mount command had a switch to allow mounting on a new dir with the part of the old dir
[16:54] <ActionParsnip> pero: try the large command here in step 1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[16:54] <Guest64566> I hope you get what i am saying
[16:54] <LoRez> k1l_: I don't really.  I mean the trusty LTS kernels
[16:54] <tgm4883> Guest64566: honestly, I'd just add more storage and mount it where you need it. For moving files, you should be able to just copy them to the new drive and then ensure fstab mounts it in the right location
[16:54] <dersand> tj- anyway, i'm copying it and when it's done, i'm switching to ubuntu. See you in a few minutes.
[16:55] <tgm4883> Guest64566: I'm not sure how well overlay directories are supported
[16:55] <Guest64566> Ok thats what i was think thanks tgm4883
[16:56] <Guest64566> just remount and copy over then update the fstab for when rebooting to always uses that change place with the copied over old files to begin with
[16:56] <TJ-> dersand: OK, I have the patched boot sector on my web-site waiting for you
[16:57] <Guest64566> was just asking because there may have been a feature like " say overlay directory mounts" to no have to copy over things... this could be a performance benifit for servers to
[16:57] <k1l_> LoRez: i dont get what you want, maybe this helps: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/amd64/linux-image-generic
[16:58] <Dany0> akik: oh I forgot about that, I'm installing tyanga right now as I'm following this tut: http://ipvsix.me/?p=106
[16:58] <TJ-> Guest64566: if you're using the Live (non-installed) environment the system is already using a layered Copy-On-Write (cow) file-system overlay that allows installing new packages in/on the squashfs root file-system image that is in the ISo image
[16:58] <akik> Dany0: oh so that is easier than changing your name resolution settings? :)
[16:58] <Dany0> lemme try that thou
[16:59] <tgm4883> Guest64566: that feature exists, I'm not sure how it would be a performance benefit though
[16:59] <LoRez> k1l_: a change was made between 3.13.0-63 and 3.13.0-65 that apparently kills all of our serial drivers.  I'd like to find the patch added between that causes that and file it as a bug.
[16:59] <pero> ActionParsnip, nothing new
[16:59] <TJ-> LoRez: what device ID is it?
[16:59] <LoRez> TJ-: keyspans and another externally built serial driver that's not USB.
[17:00] <ActionParsnip> pero: do you get OK sound in headphones?
[17:00] <pero> ActionParsnip, it's not related to that - but no i don't
[17:01] <akik> Dany0: that won't work for you since you don't have ipv4 address
[17:01] <ActionParsnip> pero: are you using Unity shell?
[17:01] <Dany0> oh, damn
[17:01] <pero> ActionParsnip, yep
[17:01] <ActionParsnip> pero: have you tried a non-compoziting session, like LXDE?
[17:02] <pero> ActionParsnip, no, i want to use unity
[17:02] <TJ-> LoRez: I'm generating the commit list for you; I'll pastebin it
[17:02] <ActionParsnip> pero: yes you can but it's fopr testing purposes
[17:02] <ActionParsnip> pero: its part of narrowing down the issue
[17:03] <Dany0> akik: can I use # to comment in /etc/network/interfaces?
[17:03] <LoRez> TJ-: where's the repo?
[17:03] <ActionParsnip> pero: if its fine in LXDE then we know that either Gnome, Compiz or Unity are causing the issue, don't we?
[17:03] <Dany0> google didn't answer
[17:03] <akik> Dany0: yes
[17:03] <Dany0> yay
[17:03] <pero> ActionParsnip, or installing another de borks my system completely
[17:03] <ActionParsnip> pero: how will that happen?
[17:03] <pero> i dont know but it has happened in the past
[17:04] <Pici> Dany0: only if they're on a line alone, inline comments are not supported (see man 5 interfaces)
[17:04] <pero> there must be a saner way to triage the issue
[17:04] <ActionParsnip> pero: you can install every DE in the repos if you like, you simply choose the active one at login
[17:04] <Dany0> tanks
[17:04] <Dany0> Pici: thanks
[17:04] <ActionParsnip> pero: how is it not sane?
[17:04] <pero> i am not installing another de to triage a sound issue
[17:04] <Pici> LoRez: #ubuntu-kernel might be able to point you in the right direction if you don't get an answer here
[17:04] <Dany0> most of the time man pages are useless, I'm usually just going to google straight away, and I can find the man pages there mirrored as well
[17:04] <LoRez> Pici: thanks!
[17:05] <ActionParsnip> pero: its for testing, LXDE is very small too, so the download and install will be minimal
[17:05] <pero> ActionParsnip, not going to do it
[17:05] <pero> i use lts for a reason - so i dont have to reinstall my system every year
[17:06] <akik> Pici: what does this mean? "Note that end-of-line comments are NOT supported, comments must be on a line of their own.
[17:06] <TJ-> LoRez: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/12625643/
[17:06] <pero> if you have any other suggestions that would be great but if not then thanks for your time
[17:06] <ActionParsnip> pero: your call
[17:06] <Pici> akik: You can't put a interface directive on the same line with a comment.
[17:07] <TJ-> LoRez: the repository is git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-trusty.git
[17:07] <akik> Pici: oh ok now i understand, so the comment can not start after some definition
[17:07] <Pici> akik: right
[17:08] <LoRez> TJ-: that's many patches.  bisect time!
[17:09] <TJ-> LoRez: not necessarily; identify the likely driver sub-path where changes would cause the kind of failure you're seeing
[17:09] <TJ-> LoRez: what actual failure do you get?
[17:09] <TJ-> LoRez: you could narrow it down by testing the .64 kernel too :)
[17:09] <LoRez> TJ-: appears as though 0 data leaves the port.  can open them, but not write to them.  Or so it seems.    Thanks
[17:12] <chennuo> salut
[17:12] <LoRez> it's not just USB serial devices though.
[17:12] <chennuo> pas de francais ici??
[17:13] <TJ-> LoRez: I wonder of the subsystems share code? You'd think so.
[17:13] <dersand> tj- well this is awkward
[17:13] <dersand> i forgot my root password
[17:14] <k1l_> dersand: there is no root password
[17:14] <LoRez> TJ-: probably.  I'll dig.
[17:14] <ActionParsnip> dersand: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword
[17:14] <TJ-> LoRez: See http://paste.ubuntu.com/12625681/
[17:15] <dersand> actionparsnip i tried that and it froze at initiating ramdisk something
[17:15] <Dany0> hey akik guess what, I've got news for you: IT WORKED! \:D/ I used this gateway: http://aa.net.uk/kb-broadband-ipv6-nat64.html
[17:15] <TJ-> dersand: Are you using the Ubuntu install now?
[17:15] <ac3takwas> which is good IRC client, other tthan XChat?
[17:15] <ActionParsnip> dersand: is your RAM ok?
[17:15] <dersand> tj- no sorry, i'm on w10 still
[17:15] <ActionParsnip> ac3takwas: irssi if you like Xchat
[17:15] <TJ-> dersand: Ahhh. Drat :)
[17:15] <ac3takwas> Sometimes, I want some auto-reconnection when I change network or somethin
[17:16] <dersand> actionparsnip erm, 4gb but i have no idea if it's "ok"
[17:16] <ac3takwas> sometimes sxchat reconnects to the wrong url
[17:16] <TJ-> LoRez: BTW, my 'gitlog' is: "alias gitlog='git log --pretty=format:'\''%h %cd %an %s'\'''  "
[17:16] <ActionParsnip> dersand: there is Memtest86 in Grub, you can test it there
[17:16] <ac3takwas> I also want it to restart automatically upon network detection
[17:16] <dersand> Actionparsnip, alright and what do i do if that test fails?
[17:16] <dersand> or passes, for that matter
[17:17] <ActionParsnip> dersand: you will need to start pulling sticks of ram out (with the system powered off) then power back on to test the RAM to isolate the bad stick
[17:17] <TJ-> dersand: Which ISO file did you originally download? I can pull the same one, apply the patch, and you can just download the file directly from me if you want to
[17:17] <ActionParsnip> dersand: if your system is under some kind of warranty then you will need to get them to do it
[17:17] <TJ-> dersand: the important thing here is not to get diverted, and test the other PC installer issue
[17:17] <dersand> Actionparsnip right now i'm on a laptop, so it's tricky
[17:18] <ActionParsnip> dersand: thats even easier, they have doors on the back to put more RAM in / take it out
[17:18] <BluesKaj> chennuo:  pas ici, allez en #ubuntu-fr
[17:19] <dersand> tj- i downloaded 14.04.3 from http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop orange button 64 bit
[17:20] <TJ-> dersand: OK, give me a moment I'll patch it
[17:21] <us3r123> hello
[17:21] <spinoza> hi
[17:21] <spinoza> everyone
[17:22] <us3r123> I was searching ubuntu vs debian and it says ubuntu is privately coded by canonical
[17:22] <us3r123> ubuntu isn't free software according this
[17:22] <us3r123> http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy
[17:22] <ActionParsnip> us3r123: ubuntu is based on debian the code is tweaked a little by Canonical but the changes are fed back upstream to Debian
[17:23] <ActionParsnip> us3r123: Ubuntu is free, there are some binary blobs to make it friendlier
[17:23] <ZiNk> us3r123: did you even read the part: "Free software: Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. "
[17:23] <ZiNk> It's written on the very page you've quoted.
[17:24] <ZiNk> So calling ubuntu non-free is like saying that debian with debian non-free repos would also be not free software
[17:24] <TJ-> dersand: Here's the patched ISO for you to download and write to the USB stick again: https://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/ubuntu-14.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso
[17:25] <dersand> tj- downloading, how can i trust that you haven't put anything harmful in it?
[17:25] <TJ-> dersand: Now, when you try to boot the problem PC with the image, you *must* keep the (left) Ctrl key held down immediately after power-on until the system shows signs of Ubuntu/Linux  starting.
[17:25] <spinoza> there is a software piece called unetbootin
[17:25] <TJ-> dersand: you can't; that's why originally I wanted you to patch it yourself.
[17:26] <spinoza> u plug in your usb drive, select an operating system and it downloads it and puts onto your usb
[17:26] <us3r123> ok thanks my mistake
[17:26] <dersand> so, post boot. Hold ctrl? tj-
[17:26] <TJ-> dersand: if you had the tools you could see, though, that I've only altered the first 434 bytes, which are the isolinux BIOS bootstrap loader code
[17:26] <lubarch> why ubuntu is free?
[17:26] <TJ-> dersand: Yes, from power-on... as soon as the screen shows signs of life
[17:28] <TJ-> dersand: If this works, it proves the PC BIOS is faulty. There's a common bug whereby when the system boots off a USB device pretending to be a hard disk, the BIOS tells the bootstrap code it is loaded from the first hard disk, but when the bootstrap code then asks the BIOS to read the rest of the bootloader code from disk the BIOS changes the device number and so it reads from the wrong device, and fails,
[17:28] <TJ-> locking the PC up
[17:29] <TJ-> dersand: By holding down the Ctrl key you are instructing this modified 434 bytes of bootstrap code to ignore the BIOS drive number and force itself to use the 'first' device
[17:29] <dersand> tj- alright
[17:29] <dersand> installing right now...
[17:30] <TJ-> dersand: good luck! I hope this is your issue, makes it simple to fix ;)
[17:30] <nabn> lubarch: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1554868
[17:30] <dersand> so hold ctrl, f12 for boot options, get my usb one and it should be there?
[17:31] <dersand> all that while ctrl is held?
[17:32] <TJ-> dersand: Don't hold down Ctrl until you've got the F12 manual boot menu. The Ctrl key is going to be looked for by the bootstrap code, so you've got a very short window of time after pressing Enter on the boot menu device option, and that code starting!
[17:32] <dersand> tj- so i thought then
[17:33] <TJ-> dersand: if the BIOS can cope with you holding Ctrl down whilst also using the boot menu, then that's easier. I've had to do some very nimble key-hitting to get this to work sometimes :D
[17:33] <TJ-> dersand: it might need a few practice attempts
[17:33] <dersand> i'm on the boot menu right no
[17:33] <dersand> now*
[17:34] <TJ-> dersand: I have a PC beside me now that needs that fix to boot the ISO
[17:34] <dersand> is it between f12 is pressed and the boot menu is being shown that i need to press? or after i press to boot the usb?
[17:35] <TJ-> dersand: The moment you select the boot device by pressing Enter
[17:35] <dersand> roger
[17:36] <dersand> it's on the loading operating system ... screen
[17:36] <dersand> take two then.
[17:36] <dersand> or i'll wait a few minutes
[17:37] <TJ-> dersand: No point waiting; that message means it failed
[17:37] <TJ-> dersand: if it had started the screen would change to the boot loader screen immediately
[17:38] <Dany0> TJ-: I pm'd you :3
[17:38] <TJ-> Dany0: I have PMs disabled
[17:38] <Dany0> welp
[17:39] <Dany0> so, since you're a self-described kernel hacker, I've gotta ask: imagine you're writing an 80s/90s hacker movie, our hero wants to take down the evil corrupt government official and he successful hacked into his account and then suddenly realises "oh no! I can't access this secure encrypted data because it is cryptographically encoded by an unbreakable kernel!", and then you show up on the scene to save our hero, what do you say?
[17:39] <dersand> tj- no, nothing. Tried it 3 times
[17:39] <TJ-> dersand: OK, let me make triple-sure I used the Ctrl key patch!
[17:41] <TJ-> dersand: Yes, I did. That seems to suggest whatever the BIOS is doing, its more broken than that simple workaround can cope with. My next suggest is to enter the BIOS setup and put the USB device first in the boot list, *and* (if possible) remove any other entries - especially the Hard Disk entry, then save settings and reboot
[17:42] <TJ-> dersand: All this is assuming the method you used on Windows to write the ISO file to the USB device put it in the correct place!
[17:42] <dersand> tj- can i even verify that the usb is bootable?
[17:42] <C_minus> hello guys. what does this sound like to you: ubuntu 14.04 has problems connecting to home WIFI (often doesn't connect at all, or takes several attempts), but no problems connecting at work, school, public, phone tethers etc. Also, all other computers, including same laptop's Win7 partition connect to home WIFI without problems.
[17:42] <dersand> because it has the label "Install ubuntu (D:)"
[17:42] <TJ-> dersand: Try it on the PC you're typing on? You could test it in a Virtual Machine on Windows, if you have that installed
[17:43] <Dany0> I guess TJ- doesn't wanna answer :/
[17:43] <TJ-> C_minus: that sounds familiar; we had a couple of users in the past 2 months with a similar issue. Which device is it? "lspci -nn" will tell
[17:44] <TJ-> Dany0: I have PMs disabled
[17:44] <Dany0> that thing I posted, that was for you
[17:44] <TJ-> Dany0: what 'thing'?
[17:44] <dersand> tj- i mean that i had the ubuntu installer for installing ubuntu on this computer a couple of months back. What i'm getting at is that it could not have formatted the drive even once and just running the install ubuntu rather than bootable ubuntu
[17:44] <Dany0> "so, since you're a self-described hacker..." thing
[17:45] <TJ-> Dany0: I don't see PMs, the IRC server blocks them. I only do support in the channels.
[17:45] <Dany0> I posted it here in #ubuntu, I don't want to repost it because I don't want to upset the spambot
[17:46] <TJ-> dersand: I'm not familiar with the Windows tools - not used Windows since around 2005
[17:46] <C_minus> TJ one might have been me. Intel 7260
[17:46] <TJ-> Dany0: let me search back. I'm not always looking in the channel so may have missed it
[17:46] <Dany0> jeez so much effort for a joke makes it no longer funny :s sry
[17:47] <TJ-> Dany0: found it... and I'd say "That is Cracking, not Hacking" :)
[17:48] <Dany0> haha, thanks, I'll be off to my hibernation chamber, and good luck with dersand
[17:48] <TJ-> C_minus: Yes, that does ring a bell. I recall doing some changes regarding using G/N modes
[17:48] <extremez3r0> Hello Folks. Today after an apt-get update I tried install Steam. Then I run "apt-get install steam". And my Ubuntu just rebooted. Now if I try install something I get a "sudo dpkg --configure -a". When i run it , my notebook reboot again.  Where can I search for logs?
[17:49] <C_minus> yeah thats right.
[17:49] <TJ-> C_minus: I also recall there were other APs in the 2.4GHz band on the same channel, or close by, with very strong signals.
[17:49] <C_minus> when I change modes on the router it doesnt make much dufference if any
[17:49] <C_minus> well remembered
[17:50] <TJ-> C_minus: I think the general consensus was there's some kind of bug in the Intel firmware for that device - we know there used to be some very serious bugs that made N mode impossible, so its likely there are still more
[17:50] <C_minus> but isn't it most likely N mode everywhere else I take my laptop - after all university has a superfast 100mbps line or whatever
[17:50] <TJ-> C_minus: so we thought the interaction between the firmware and the Linux device-driver somehow makes the problem show up when it doesn't show under Windows
[17:51] <dersand> tj- anything that could help? https://dl.pushbulletusercontent.com/tDt3p9upxrYE4e3HwyVwTA2D3ULCkpdQ/20150930_195020.jpg
[17:52] <TJ-> dersand: Are you able to remove/disable items 3 and 4 ?
[17:52] <dersand> tj- let's try
[17:52] <TJ-> dersand: What make/model is that PC? I want to add it to my 'problem BIOS' list
[17:52] <dersand> tj- it's a custom built pc
[17:53] <TJ-> C_minus: do you find using Linux in other places also works fine - in other words you're only caused problems at home?
[17:53] <C_minus> TJ yes exactly
[17:53] <TJ-> dersand: motherboard make/model then - that is what determines the BIOS maker/version
[17:54] <yya09> hey
[17:54] <TJ-> C_minus: You know I'm tempted to say someone near you is deliberately knocking your signal out, or there's some non-WiFi 2.4GHz device operating close-by that is interfering
[17:54] <dersand> tj- Gigabyte Z68AP-D3
[17:54] <C_minus> Holy jeebus now I'm gonna be paranoid.
[17:54] <TJ-> dersand: thanks
[17:55] <TJ-> C_minus: well, logically it makes sense. consider your evidence and all the testing we did last time
[17:55] <TJ-> C_minus: things like wireless video cameras, baby monitors, etc, can all also use 2.4GHz and they don't use WiFi so don't cooperate or show up on WiFi scans
[17:55] <C_minus> What does an android tether use? Because that works fine. Also how could someone else knock only my laptop's signal (on ubuntu) but nobody else's in my house?
[17:57] <TJ-> C_minus: I have no idea, and the fact other devices aren't affected argues against it, but as I think I said last time, I'm highly suspicious of the location where you commonly operate the laptop when at home. Have you tried walking around into the far corners of the apartment and seeing if it performs any differently?
[17:58] <TJ-> C_minus: A wifi device targeting the PC's ID could potentially affect it and not others, but I cannot imagine anyone going to all that trouble just for you :)
[17:58] <dersand> tj- i'll try booting from the usb on this comp. brb.
[18:00] <C_minus> TJ is a PC Id unique to my Ubuntu/Win7 partition or my device?
[18:01] <TJ-> C_minus: the ID of the wifi device is burned into the Wifi chipset
[18:01] <TJ-> C_minus: this is why I think an active attack is far out :)
[18:01] <C_minus> TJ my MAC address right?
[18:01] <TJ-> C_minus: Yes
[18:02] <jayjo> I have a ubuntu 14.04 server that is running very slow with mysql queries. Are there some very quick speed checks to see if something blatant is going on before I just try to upgrade my cores?
[18:02] <TJ-> C_minus: I don't suppose you know someone else with a laptop with the same chipset in? Have them visit and test it with an Ubuntu Live boot?
[18:02] <TJ-> jayjo: you might get a better response in #ubuntu-server
[18:02] <C_minus> unfortunately not it's quite a niche laptop!
[18:03] <C_minus> everybody has macbooks anyway
[18:03] <TJ-> C_minus: always the problem! I'd be tempted to rip out the 7260 pcie card and replace it with an Ateros!
[18:03] <TJ-> s/Ateros/Atheros/
[18:03] <extremez3r0> Hello Guys. I need a little help. Someone know where I can found why my Ubuntu hard reboot when I try install steam? Now it broke dpkg configure -a. Every time I run it my notebook reboot immediatlly.
[18:04] <jayjo> TJ-: thank!
[18:05] <nicomachus> extremez3r0: did you try uninstalling steam and then reinstalling it?
[18:05] <TJ-> extremez3r0: sounds like some core executable has been corrupted
[18:09] <extremez3r0> TJ- :I can't even run apt-get install"
[18:09] <extremez3r0> TJ-: every time I run dpkg configure -a, my screen go black and I see my ubuntu booting...
[18:09] <cerberus10> that is weird
[18:09] <extremez3r0> yah
[18:10] <dersand> tj- i got news.
[18:10] <extremez3r0> Very. I've try read from dmesg, but nothing very useful.
[18:10] <dersand> It didn't even boot on my other pc. Obviously the installation is faulty.
[18:10] <TJ-> dersand: really!? damn!
[18:10] <nicomachus> ....language.
[18:11] <dersand> tj- yeah, i booted it up, twice. Just black screen, no purple ubuntu iconic-ness
[18:11] <TJ-> dersand: This always annoys that Windows seems to make it difficult to correctly write an ISO image to a device. After all, all we want is to write the literal ISO data from sector 0 of the target device onwards.
[18:12] <TJ-> dersand: This was why I had hoped you could use Linux to write to the USB. Shame that isn't starting
[18:12] <nicomachus> Rufus?
[18:13] <TJ-> dersand: whilst you were doing that I did some research on the "Loading Operating System" issue. Turns out it is a very common problem with many Gigabyte motherboards, and lots of users affected. No clear worarounds but some interesting snippets around.
[18:14] <TJ-> dersand: the most interesting is, apparently the motherboard has USB2 and USB3 ports?  I'm referring to there being a possible 2 issues here ;)
[18:16] <TJ-> dersand: do you have a virtual machine hypervisor on the Windows 10 you could test the ISO with?
[18:16] <TJ-> dersand: you could install VirtualBox and test: 1) booting the ISO file 2) booting the USB device via USB pass-through
[18:17] <dersand> tj- yeah i downloaded oracle's virtualbox
[18:17] <TJ-> dersand: if the VM guest can boot the ISO *file* but not the USB, that tells you the USB likely is the problem
[18:17] <dersand> tj- but the funny thing is that i've installed ubuntu on THIS machine with this usb
[18:18] <BrokenCog> VB still needs USB tools to work with USB doesn't it?  perhaps ensure VBox is USB enabled for the guest before startinf the VM.
[18:18] <TJ-> dersand: but not with the current literal data is my point. If the ISO file data has not gone onto the USb correctly... it'd fail
[18:18] <dersand> tj- i just opened cmd on windows and typed format d:. I guess this is a starting point
[18:19] <TJ-> BrokenCog: dersand. I'm not sure, I don't use it. Any VM hypervisor that can support USB will do for testing
[18:19] <john__> hello, if i remove something from software, does it do remove or purge?
[18:19] <BrokenCog> TJ-: yes, but VBox didn't/doesn't put USB support in the standard binar.
[18:20] <TJ-> BrokenCog: really?
[18:20] <TJ-> BrokenCog: that's not useful!
[18:20] <EriC^^> john__: i think it removes and doesn't purge
[18:20] <BrokenCog> TJ-: I don't know if it still is, but it was a copyright issue I think with the free VBox version.
[18:20] <auronandace> BrokenCog: it supports usb, but you need an extention for usb2 support
[18:20] <BrokenCog> auronandace: is that what it was?  okay.
[18:21] <nicomachus> TJ-: BrokenCog: you can definitely capture USB from VBox. Doing it right now.
[18:21] <BrokenCog> so, I'm guessing dersand has USB2/3 ...
[18:21] <john__> EriC^^, thank so that means the config files remain?
[18:21] <BrokenCog> okay ... I'm out of date.
[18:21] <EriC^^> john__: yeah
[18:21] <EriC^^> i think it removes, not sure
[18:21] <nicomachus> BrokenCog: they kind of had to because of USB keyboards/mice gaining so much prevalence.
[18:22] <BrokenCog> my question: I just updated 14.04 about ten minutes ago, rebooted, now can't log in.  Checked perms of .Xauthority (700) and owner (userid.userid) ... any other segguestions?
[18:22] <EriC^^> john__: dpkg -l | grep <package> should show if the configs are still there, it'll start with rc
[18:22] <BrokenCog> nicomachus: indeed.  USB ... who would have thought :).  I haven't used VBox in a long long time so Im' not sure what current state it's in.
[18:22] <dersand> 30% of format, i'm on standby until it finishes
[18:23] <TJ-> BrokenCog: dersand has 2 PCs. The one he's on is using Win10 (it has dual-boot with Ubuntu but the Ubuntu install wouldn't get past the initrd). He's using Win10 to write the 14.04.3 desktop amd64 image to a USB, and using that to install to another PC. That other PC BIOS/UEFI fails with "Loading Operating System". We've tried a 'force BIOS device 0x80' workaround ISO image, but that didn't solve it.
[18:23] <john__> EriC^^, that's right, thank you very much for your help
[18:23] <EriC^^> john__: np
[18:23] <LoRez> TJ-: this may be worse than I imagined.  I switched from the utopic lts kernel to the trusty lts kernel and lost the USB keyboard too.
[18:23] <nicomachus> dersand: what program on windows are you using to create the drive?
[18:23] <TJ-> dersand: there is no need to format a USB device before writing an ISO image to the USB
[18:24] <dersand> nicomachus the software from pendrive.com uui something
[18:24] <TJ-> dersand: The ISO image should be written directly to the USB... someone else can recommend the best tool for doing that, I have no idea.
[18:25] <nicomachus> dersand: I would recommend Rufus. https://rufus.akeo.ie/
[18:25] <TJ-> LoRez: That doesn't sound normal
[18:25] <dersand> tj- alright, but it's still in the formatting process, so i wouldn't want to upset the cmd
[18:25] <TJ-> dersand: OK... thought it won't
[18:25] <LoRez> TJ-: I'd agree.
[18:25] <TJ-> dersand: OK... though it won't hurt to interrupt it
[18:25] <BrokenCog> Question: just updated 14.04 ten minutes ago, rebooted, now can't log in.  Checked perms of .Xauthority (700) and owner (userid.userid) ... any other segguestions?
[18:25] <nicomachus> !patience | BrokenCog
[18:25] <TJ-> LoRez: but the system always works ok with the 3.13 -63 ?
[18:26] <dersand> tj- 50% now, it wouldn't hurt to let it finish?
[18:26] <TJ-> BrokenCog: try a guest log-in... if that works, it's a per-user issue at least
[18:26] <TJ-> dersand: no... it's only writing zeros
[18:26] <BrokenCog> TJ-: booted from ISO, via chroot created new user, same symptom on reboot.
[18:27] <TJ-> BrokenCog: OK, can it boot to the Recovery root shell?
[18:27] <BrokenCog> TJ-: what's the menu key?  tried F2 ... just boots straight in.
[18:28] <TJ-> BrokenCog: hold shift down
[18:28] <TJ-> BrokenCog: F2 is usually for the PC's firmware/BIOS Setup
[18:28] <BrokenCog> TJ-: in a vm ... shift during power on?
[18:29] <TJ-> BrokenCog: shift is the GRUB boot-loader menu key. Hold it down once the PC firmware is doing its POST (power on self test) and the moment GRUB starts it'll see the key
[18:29] <TJ-> BrokenCog: Then on the GRUB menu, choose Advanced sub-menu and select one of the Recovery kernels
[18:30] <LoRez> TJ-: I shot myself in the foot and didn't install the -63 kernel with the -65, so I'm rescuing out of that first.
[18:30] <BrokenCog> I can't get the menu ... using Parallels  ...
[18:31] <TJ-> BrokenCog: the shift key is specific to GRUB, so the hypervisor shouldn't matter provided the guest has the input focus. You may need to ensure the window showing the Guest interface has focus in order for the shift key to be directed there
[18:32] <BrokenCog> TJ-: it has the focus
[18:32] <TJ-> BrokenCog: Try the Escape key :)
[18:32] <nicomachus> F12?
[18:33] <TJ-> nicomachus: for GRUB?
[18:33] <TJ-> GRUB2 uses shift by default as the menu key
[18:34] <nicomachus> Yea idk. It does seem to be shift in Vbox: https://askubuntu.com/questions/314754/how-to-get-the-grub-using-virtualbox
[18:34] <dersand> tj- format done. Should i try out rufus?
[18:34] <TJ-> nicomachus: F12 is a popular firmware/BIOS manual boot menu hot-key
[18:34] <dersand> https://rufus.akeo.ie/
[18:34] <TJ-> dersand: I'd best find out what it is!
[18:34] <TJ-> dersand: maybe there is someone else here familiar with using it?
[18:35] <BrokenCog> F12 toggles the text boot info
[18:35] <dersand> nicho_machus had, i don't want to type his name full out because someone once told me you shouldn't highlight people who haven't talked for a while
[18:35] <BrokenCog> It's too damn fast :)>  can't get a keypress in before POST is done ... does'nt SHOW post.
[18:36] <nicomachus> TJ-: I've never had trouble with Rufus in windows.
[18:36] <dersand> nicomachus did you get highlighted by that?
[18:36] <TJ-> nicomachus: OK... dersand :) ... as long as you use it to write to the RAW device with no partition scheme/file-system
[18:37] <nicomachus> no but I saw it dersand. TJ-: it's the closest thing to Ubuntu's startup disk creator that Windows has to offer.
[18:37] <TJ-> dersand: if the tool tries to do any kind of 'formatting' it is doing it wrong
[18:37] <TJ-> nicomachus: OK :)
[18:37] <TJ-> nicomachus: I've never even used startup disk creator. 'dd' is my tool
[18:38] <dersand> could you tell me what settings? or is default okay? http://i.imgur.com/h5fhP7E.png
[18:38] <EriC^^> unetbootin is prone to failing, use dd instead
[18:38] <TJ-> dersand: I'll let nicomachus tell you. All I can say is, what you show in the screenshot is definitely wrong
[18:39] <MicroAlien> Okay so my track doesnt work when I downloaded Ubuntu.  How could I get it to work?
[18:40] <TJ-> I'm suspicous when Rufus claims to be faster than other tools, since writing an ISO image is simply copyiny data sectors sequentially to the device. That suggests it tries to do something 'clever' with the data layout
[18:41] <MicroAlien> how can I get my trackpad to work on my computer with ubuntu
[18:42] <dersand> http://i.imgur.com/kjuYrz5.png should be more like it?
[18:42] <auronandace> MicroAlien: it is probably specific to the model laptop you are using
[18:43] <MicroAlien> I am using an Alienware 13"
[18:44] <nicomachus> dersand: there are some detailed instructions on that site...
[18:44] <TJ-> dersand: that looks terribly wrong. There should *not* be any MBR partition scheme, no FAT32, no 'create extended labels' - I don't trust that tool
[18:45] <dersand> tj- i read somewhere fat32 is the only way to make a drive bootable
[18:45] <EriC^^> it's called rufus in the end, not very trustworthy :P
[18:45] <TJ-> dersand: all you want it do is write the literal data of the ISO file you have directly to the device with no embelishments. Not sure how you tell it to do that, though.
[18:45] <TJ-> dersand: Ignore what you read!
[18:45] <BrokenCog> so, if I use the LiveCD, chroot to the intsalled partition, how can I update-grub? which wants /dev mounted?
[18:46] <BrokenCog> I used mount --bind /dev /dev
[18:46] <TJ-> BrokenCog: before you "chroot ..." mount the kernel file-systems
[18:46] <BrokenCog> ah.
[18:46] <EriC^^> BrokenCog: for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mountpoint$i; done
[18:47] <auronandace> MicroAlien: others seem to have the problem: http://askubuntu.com/questions/647505/alienware-13-touchpad-not-working-under-any-distro-dll068b00-06cb76e9-hid-r
[18:47] <TJ-> BrokenCog: "sudo mount /dev/XXXX /target; for fs in proc sys dev dev/pts; so sudo mount --bind /$fs /target/$fs; done; sudo chroot /target"
[18:48] <TJ-> EriC^^: not a good idea to bind/mount /run/ else the chroot will interefere with the host service control
[18:48] <EriC^^> TJ-: ah, it's on the ubuntu wiki for chrooting
[18:48] <BrokenCog> okay ... just being out of the chroot was sufficient.  update-grub after commenting out GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT/_MENU allowed the menu to show up.
[18:48] <EriC^^> :|
[18:48] <dersand> by the way tj- i have a faint memory that i used a burner program to burn my iso to a drive...
[18:49] <BrokenCog> TJ-: probably would have mesed up the host, but the chroot was a LiveCD.
[18:49] <TJ-> EriC^^: I know there are a lot of poor guides around. The problem it causes is you are fixing packages and that causes a (re)configure which causes a service to (re)start it will pollute the host's service PID lists in the 'real' /run/
[18:49] <EriC^^> yeah
[18:50] <BrokenCog> so, I was hoping to see some sort of shell option in the GRUB menu, what am I trying to do?
[18:50] <TJ-> BrokenCog: I'm trying to recall what your original issue was!?
[18:51] <BrokenCog> TJ-: lol, so am I :)>  logging in any user bounces back to login.
[18:51] <EriC^^> BrokenCog: graphics driver issue probably
[18:51] <TJ-> BrokenCog: oh! GUI login... right... if you can get to the Recovery option and it boots, you can use the root shell to check out the system logs and so forth to determine what the issue is, without the GUI failure getting in the way
[18:53] <TJ-> BrokenCog: another option, now you can get the GRUB boot menu. On the menu, highlight the regular first "Ubuntu" entry on the main menu, press 'E' to edit it, navigate to the line starting "linux ..." delete "quiet splash" replace with "text" and press Ctrl+X or F10 to boot with the modified params. 'text' prevents the GUI from starting but you have full multi-user VT console access
[18:53] <BrokenCog> TJ-: thanks.
[18:54] <dersand> tj- trying out newly burned ubuntu on this pc.
[19:00] <BrokenCog> is there a way to downgrade a recent update? a roll back or something ...
[19:01] <TJ-> BrokenCog: it can be done but is usually quite difficult and problematic
[19:01] <TJ-> BrokenCog: far better is to review the relavent logs and fix the existing issue
[19:03] <_ROC> need help with a general computer issue?
[19:03] <TJ-> BrokenCog: I'd start with "ls -latr /var/log/" to list logs with most recently changed last. Then work through kern.log syslog Xorg.0.log first, looking for timestamps during the boot session that failed. You'll probably find the kernel driver for the GPU failed to load due to some kernel update
[19:04] <TJ-> BrokenCog: a very fast check for GPU problems is "grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log" - any results you've got a GPU issue and should review that log in detail
[19:04] <BrokenCog> yes ...
[19:04] <BrokenCog> the errors are related to /proc/driver/prl_vtg ...
[19:04] <BrokenCog> which isn't meaningful to me yet.
[19:05] <Dersand> I'm on mobile. Rip
[19:05] <BrokenCog> error is can't open ... which isn't a surprise since it doesn't exist.
[19:05] <swch`> what is permission '@'?
[19:06] <TJ-> BrokenCog: whatever 'prl_vtg' is, it isn't part of the standard kernel
[19:06] <Dersand> Booted up ubuntu and chose second one in advanced boot. The recovery thing
[19:06] <BrokenCog> TJ-: it may or maynot be part of a VM guest ... I'm not sure.
[19:06] <swch`> http://pastebin.com/fJWvK3yH | what does the '@' means
[19:06] <TJ-> BrokenCog: apparently it's a Parallels file
[19:07] <Dersand> Now it's stuck on "loading Linux 3.16.0-generic ..."
[19:07] <Dersand> Tj- should I press anything?
[19:08] <TJ-> Dersand: Interesting! OK, that message is written by GRUB (the boot loader) when it is reading the Linux kernel image into memory. So we know you got past the BIOS issue.
[19:09] <Dersand> It's on my pre installed ubuntu. Not bootable usb
[19:09] <BrokenCog> swch`: man ls ... you wil find in means that file is a lym link.
[19:09] <BrokenCog> *symbolic
[19:09] <BrokenCog> bbl ... meeting.
[19:09] <ioria> swch`, http://serverfault.com/questions/151997/what-does-the-symbol-mean-in-a-files-permission-settings
[19:10] <TJ-> Dersand: Oh!... so there is some problem with the install there as well. You aren't having much fortune today
[19:10] <Dersand> Waif
[19:10] <Dersand> Wait
[19:10] <swch`> ioria, thx! solved my problem
[19:10] <Dersand> I just got into the recovery mode
[19:10] <ioria> swch`, good
[19:11] <Dersand> Now what do I do to change the root pw
[19:11] <TJ-> Dersand: there is no root password on Ubuntu
[19:11] <TJ-> !root | Dersand
[19:11] <Dersand> Tj- i mean pw for login dcreen
[19:12] <TJ-> Dersand: the first user account created by the Ubuntu installer makes that user an admin of the system by adding them to the 'sudo' group
[19:12] <TJ-> Dersand: If you mean a regular VT "login:" prompt, it is your regular username/password combination
[19:12] <delinquentme> anyone in here use a guide to configure a 'hackintosh' ? im looking to run ubuntu as my primary OS on MBP hardware
[19:15] <Dersand_> Test
[19:15] <TJ-> Test OK
[19:15] <Dersand_> https://dl.pushbulletusercontent.com/3Mj7rsaXoFHdO9o0xU8PdsnPJzUwQJoH/20150930_211349.jpg tj-
[19:16] <TJ-> Dersand_: OK, that's the 'friendly recovery' menu. If you select that you enter a root user session but it doesn't need a password
[19:17] <Dersand_> Tj- pardon?
[19:17] <TJ-> Dersand_: you have a syntax error in your mount command though; use a comma, not a dot, "-o remount,rw"
[19:21] <delinquentme> is anyone in here running ubuntu on a MBP ?   .... im hearing from #mac that battelry life is an issue ???
[19:21] <Donrosaduck> hello there
[19:22] <pmaxk> hi
[19:22] <Donrosaduck> well i got some problem pehaps someone could help me
[19:23] <NoImNotNineVolt> hi. does anyone know if the libzmq3 and libzmq3-dev packages are built with support for sodium curve crypto?
[19:23] <MonkeyDust> delinquentme  http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/improve-power-usage-battery-life-in.html
[19:23] <Donrosaduck> first i m a begginer with linux / ubuntu environnement
[19:24] <MonkeyDust> Donrosaduck  keep your question in one line, that's easier to read and repeat
[19:24] <Donrosaduck> i got when i start this very strange : Busybox v1.22.1 built-in-shell (ash)
 (initramfs)_
[19:24] <dersand> tj- http://i.imgur.com/7I7wBTn.png
[19:24] <TJ-> NoImNotNineVolt: you'd need to examine the source code and the debian/control build-depends line
[19:25] <TJ-> dersand: !! is that on the "Loading Operating System" problem PC?
[19:25] <dersand> tj- unfortunatly not
[19:25] <TJ-> dersand: Oh, the dual-boot?
[19:25] <dersand> yeah
[19:26] <dersand> is there any built in stuff that we can use for make a proper bootable?
[19:26] <TJ-> dersand: looks like you should do "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade"
[19:26] <TJ-> dersand: Oh yes, we can get it done real quick now.
[19:26] <ioria> NoImNotNineVolt, i think not... http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man3/zmq_curve_keypair.3.html
[19:27] <TJ-> dersand: plug the USB device in, then do "sudo lsblk -f" and identify the USB device name, e.g. /dev/sdc
[19:27] <ioria> NoImNotNineVolt, The libzmq library was not built with cryptographic support
[19:28] <TJ-> dersand: if you need to, download the installer ISO again, or if you can get to it in the Windows file-system, use it from there. Tell me which option you are going to use.
[19:28] <TJ-> dersand: I deleted the patched ISO so if you need it I'll have to recreate it
[19:28] <Enaell> hi guys !
[19:28] <dersand> tj- i am still executing sudo apt full-upgrade. But i do not have the .iso file on ubuntu
[19:29] <dersand> it is on windows and i have idea how to reach it from ubuntus side
[19:29] <dersand> i guess i just redownload it
[19:29] <auronandace> dersand: just mount the partition
[19:30] <reisio> dersand: check the left side of your file manager
[19:30] <BrokenCog> well, that was fun.  being brow beat for the build machine not  working after ... doing an upstream update.  yay.
[19:30] <dersand> reisio i have something called 'files', is that it?
[19:31] <reisio> dersand: probably not, but it could be under that
[19:32] <dersand> reisio what should i even check for? just search file manager or what?
[19:32] <TJ-> dersand: let me recreate the patched ISO and I'll give you the URL again
[19:32] <reisio> dersand: no don't search
[19:32] <reisio> i it's not right there somewhere it won't be worth it
[19:32] <reisio> you can get to it from a terminal, though, if it isn't there
[19:32] <Enaell> Guys, i've got a little problem. Actually, it's not on Ubuntu but it deal with. I had Ubuntu 14.04.3 and Win8.1 on dual-boot. Yesterday, i uninstalled Ubuntu to switch to Kali Linux. The fact is that when i boot on a Kali CD, i have a blackscreen. And when I boot on a live USB, i have this :  http://i.imgur.com/Hr4d7EI.jpg. Now i don't know what to do.. // btw my computer is recent, i have a UEFI BiOS and the security boot is disable.
[19:33] <auronandace> dersand: show us a screenshot of the file manager
[19:33] <linocisco> hi all
[19:33] <linocisco> I can't install apt-get install libglade2
[19:33] <dersand> auronandace what do you even mean with file manager?
[19:34] <linocisco> E: Unable to locate package libglade2
[19:34] <auronandace> Enaell: this channel only deals with ubuntu issues sorry
[19:34] <liltone> hi
[19:34] <wileee> linocisco, Context please.
[19:34] <TJ-> dersand: In a terminal do "wget https://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/ubuntu-14.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso"
[19:34] <liltone> anyone from Romania??
[19:34] <Enaell> auronandace : yeah i know, but i came here because i don't find any help on the others chan.. anyway, sorry :(
[19:34] <wileee> !find libglade2
[19:35] <Ultraheroe> Hola, ¿Alguien de España?
[19:35] <ioria> !info libglade2-0
[19:35] <dersand> tj- alright however it is stille executing same command on 30% completion right now
[19:35] <wileee> !es | Ultraheroe
[19:35] <auronandace> dersand: nautilus is the file manager in ubuntu, i was trying to get you to show us a screenshot so we can identify for you which is your windows partition so you can mount it to get that iso
[19:35] <NoImNotNineVolt> ioria: thank you.
[19:35] <linocisco> wileee, i am follwing instruction to install canon printer LBP3050
[19:35] <ioria> NoImNotNineVolt, you 're welcome
[19:36] <linocisco> 64bit for my 15.04 64bit
[19:36] <NoImNotNineVolt> looks like i'll need to build from source :|
[19:36] <wileee> linocisco, Do you see the bots info?
[19:36] <NoImNotNineVolt> or use whitequark's ppa, i guess.
[19:36] <linocisco> wileee, yes. but I dont understand
[19:36] <liltone> who use backbox os?
[19:36] <TJ-> dersand: that's OK, I was just letting you know its ready for you
[19:36] <Donrosaduck> what can i do mates when i got this :error: attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'
[19:37] <Donrosaduck> then (initramfs) ?
[19:37] <ioria> linocisco, you mean this http://software.canon-europe.com/software/0040567.asp ?
[19:38] <ioria> linocisco, the last ubuntu supported is Ubuntu 10.04
[19:39] <dersand> this full upgrade command sure takes a while
[19:39] <dersand> can not even create a screen shot
[19:39] <ioria> linocisco, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CanonCaptDrv190
[19:40] <TJ-> Donrosaduck: dersand is it still at 30%
[19:40] <TJ-> dersand is it still at 30%
[19:40] <K4k> Is openjdk-8-{jdk,jre} going to make it in to trusty-backports at some point?
[19:40] <dersand> 84% as of right now
[19:41] <vmnewbie> I upgrade my distro and now I can't log into my computer. The screen freezes up and I wind up back at login
[19:41] <TJ-> Donrosaduck: your issue: "hd0" suggests a GRUB boot manager issue but then "(initramfs)" indicates the kernel and initial ramdisk loaded but the root file-system couldn't be found
[19:41] <TJ-> dersand: OK, not used it in a while I guess?
[19:41] <dersand> is there any way to make my keyboard not english? if i press shift 8 i want a parenthesis, not a *
[19:41] <wileee> vmnewbie, helps to know the upgrade path used and the release you're on.
[19:42] <TJ-> dersand: There is usually a keyboard management applet for installing additional keyboard maps
[19:42] <dersand> tj- installed ubuntu on this machine back in april i guess
[19:42] <vmnewbie> wileee I don't know either
[19:42] <vmnewbie> Can't I do something with grub?
[19:42] <vmnewbie> TJ- you can give some input,  you and I forgot the other guys name helped me upgrade
[19:42] <vmnewbie> I was the guy without wifi
[19:43] <Bashing-om> vmnewbie: What graphics set ? ATI or Nvidia ? Might try the 'nomodeset' boot parameter , and once booted (RE-)install the proprietary graphic's driver .
[19:43] <vmnewbie> Bashing-om how do I get to grub
[19:43] <vmnewbie> Nvm
[19:44] <Bashing-om> vmnewbie: Depends if the us a UEFI system ?
[19:44] <lenovo3> hello.... Apologies ahead of time if I ask a question incorrectly or seem like a leech or anything like that...or even entitled
[19:44] <lenovo3> but I am really seeking an answer as to why......
[19:44] <lenovo3> and this is specifically an ubntu forum
[19:45] <wileee> lenovo3, to the point all in one post.
[19:45] <lenovo3> soo here goes
[19:45] <dersand> tj- just did the wget command
[19:45] <lenovo3> hehe
[19:45] <vmnewbie> Bashing-om did no modest but the error still occurs
[19:45] <MonkeyDust> lenovo3  spare the enter key
[19:45] <lenovo3> wilee I just got kicked and banned out of #linux on DalNet
[19:45] <lenovo3> they thought i was a troll
[19:45] <wileee> !tmi | lenovo3
[19:45] <MonkeyDust> lenovo3  we think so too
[19:45] <lenovo3> then they directed me to 2 links on how to properly ask questions in a Linux or hacker channel
[19:46] <auronandace> lenovo3: would you like to ask your ubuntu support question now?
[19:46] <lenovo3> MonkeyDust I promise I am not.....when I go TROLL, I go TROLL 100% with power...trust me
[19:46] <vmnewbie> What do I do? I can't log in D:
[19:46] <lenovo3> not that I troll...just sayin
[19:46] <TJ-> dersand: Great... so you have the image downloaded now?
[19:47] <TJ-> !ask | lenovo3
[19:47] <lenovo3> ok here is my Question......although simple in nature...I really dont know the answer
[19:47] <dersand> tj- at 50% as of writing
[19:47] <TJ-> dersand: now identify the device-name of the USB: "sudo lsblk -f"
[19:48] <TJ-> dersand: you can open a 2nd terminal tab to do the lsblk, you don't have to wait for the download to complete
[19:48] <dersand> tj- oh
[19:48] <Bashing-om> vmnewbie: Once to the grub boot menu -> advanced options -> recovery . Can you boot via the recovery console ?
[19:49] <lenovo3> My question is: why cant someone...typically perhaps a programmer .....just take the source code of a particular program that exists for lets say.......Arch linux, but doesnt for ubuntu...and compile from source and upload it as a .deb file rather than making each individual compile it from source......I certainly dont know how, nor do I want to...because I am trying to convert people to linux....without giving them the excuse: Oh you have to compile it from
[19:49] <lenovo3>  source
[19:49] <lenovo3> (sorry..I have to be exact and blunt so you get th gist of my question)
[19:49] <vmnewbie> Bashing-om trying now
[19:49] <dersand> tj- i got something that looks like my usb. "Sdb > sdb4 vfat  uui /media/erik/uui"
[19:49] <dersand> makes any sense?
[19:49] <TJ-> lenovo3: We already have the functionality on Ubuntu - it is called Personal Package Archives
[19:50] <lenovo3> TJ, I dont understand
[19:50] <auronandace> !software | lenovo3
[19:50] <lenovo3> I know I can get stuff there in PPAs but there is Stuff that is not there
[19:50] <alazare619> i must be forgeting someting
[19:50] <lenovo3> I think you dont understand my question
[19:50] <alazare619> i did a ubuntu mini install
[19:50] <alazare619> but i can not get x to start
[19:50] <TJ-> lenovo3: see https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[19:51] <alazare619> i installed slim
[19:51] <alazare619> and i enabled slim.service w/ systemctl
[19:51] <alazare619> but still wont boot
[19:51] <TJ-> dersand: can you do "pastebinit <( sudo lsblk -f )" ?
[19:51] <dersand> tj- installation complete
[19:51] <ioria> alazare619, there is no X in mini... you have tominstall i
[19:51] <ioria> *t
[19:51] <Bashing-om> alazare619: Did you also install 'xorg' ?
[19:51] <alazare619> yes Bashing-om
[19:52] <vmnewbie> Bashing-om still leads to a crash
[19:52] <alazare619> https://gist.github.com/alazare619/89d4801b3d37eaa48780 is my exact script ive used
[19:52] <lenovo3> Thanks ubottu and TJ, I will look at those
[19:52] <TJ-> lenovo3: that's the point; *any* person can create a PPA and build software there.
[19:52] <lenovo3> but I dont think they answer my question
[19:52] <alazare619> still revising it but it just wont boot to slim
[19:52] <auronandace> lenovo3: it would help if you had a specific example of what you "need" to compile from source
[19:52] <lenovo3> Im not currently trying to figure it out
[19:52] <lenovo3> whaty i want to know is why doesnt someone precompile them so it doesnt need to be done?
[19:52] <TJ-> lenovo3: if someone doesn't package a project you're interested in, then either do it yourself or find someone familiar with the project who will do it
[19:52] <lenovo3> TJ I see
[19:53] <TJ-> lenovo3: this is the "Freedom" in Free/Open Source Software
[19:53] <dersand> tj- http://paste.ubuntu.com/12626569/
[19:54] <vmnewbie> Bashing-om any other ideas?
[19:54] <lenovo3> so newbies who switch to linux will have to learn to compile? ( I dont think they will..they will just be turned off by linux)  thats why I think it should be uplpoaded...I hope one day I could do it myself
[19:54] <TJ-> dersand: right! what the heck that UUI is I don't know! certainly not a correctly written ISO though!
[19:54] <korsakof> .deb are binaries. apt-get install does not compile the code...
[19:54] <dersand> tj- i think it was the universal ui something from pendrive
[19:54] <MonkeyDust> !manual | lenovo3 newbies can read this
[19:55] <Bashing-om> vmnewbie: UNgood ... Will see what we can come up with .. What release and desktop are we dealing with here ?
[19:55] <TJ-> dersand: do "udisksctl unmount /media/erik/UUI" and then check with "sudo lsblk -f" that it is no longer mounted
[19:55] <lenovo3> korsakof  Im not sure what your saying...but what I am am saying is......there could be so much more apps available for ubuntu and mint right from the get go if they were compiled ahead of time
[19:55] <k1l_> lenovo3: most programs for noobies are precompiled in the ubuntu repos. so what exact program are you talking about?
[19:55] <auronandace> lenovo3: you also need to consider licenses, sometimes projects are not allowed to host certain software due to the license
[19:55] <vmnewbie> Bashing-om I did dist upgrade yesterday I think it was next to the newest release... like .04 or something
[19:55] <lenovo3> newbies and people who switched to linux shopyuld not ever have to worry about having to compile VIBER 32 bit version because only a 64bit version exists...know what I mean?
[19:56] <Lexicade> Anyone run into the problem where your crontab doesnt save he edits you make to it?
[19:56] <vmnewbie> Sorry I don't remember
[19:56] <Lexicade> Not sure why or how its going wrong
[19:56] <Bashing-om> alazare619: Is this a 15.04 minimal install ?
[19:56] <k1l_> lenovo3: the problem is: manpower. its a lot of work to keep the packages updated and in a good state and not breaking other packages. if you know a program that is not included best is to ask the developer if he want to maintain it
[19:56] <alazare619> Bashing-om:  yes
[19:56] <alazare619> i can start x after installing xinit
[19:56] <lenovo3> k1l_ I wish I could come up with an example...my mind is blank at the moment...but I guess Viber is a good example
[19:56] <TJ-> lenovo3: newbies that choose Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora and many others don't have to do that since the distro archives/repositories have alrady built the most popular packages
[19:56] <alazare619> but it is still not booting to slim
[19:56] <alazare619> i get cli login
[19:56] <MonkeyDust> what's viber?
[19:57] <lenovo3> TJ- thats true but there are some major ones missing
[19:57] <lenovo3> VIBER is like Skype
[19:57] <k1l_> lenovo3: erm, why are you using 32bit?
[19:57] <lenovo3> its very poular on Smart phones and now there is an official Ubuntu version...but only 64bit]
[19:57] <auronandace> lenovo3: that is an android app
[19:57] <esph> lenovo3: I think you're mostly inventing a problem that isn't there. I've never encountered something "major" that I needed to compile.
[19:57] <dersand> tj- are you sure? http://imgur.com/a/zu8Hw
[19:58] <TJ-> lenovo3: exactly, and therefore someone with an interest and skills needs to package that project. You can't expect 'someone else' to magically do it, every package in a distro has/had someone interested in at some point so that they packaged it
[19:58] <lenovo3> k1l_ for many reasons...there is alot of software I want that is only 32bit.....and my computers only have 1gb or 2gb and cant run 64bit versions...and the computers I sell are the same
[19:58] <lenovo3> 32 bit seems more reliable
[19:58] <k1l_> lenovo3: 32bit is dying. let it dy
[19:58] <linocisco> root@Tommy-Inspiron-3443:/dev/usb# sudo update-rc.d ccpd defaults
[19:58] <linocisco> insserv: warning: script 'ccpd' missing LSB tags and overrides
[19:58] <k1l_> *die
[19:58] <lenovo3> esph  trust me..its a big problem
[19:58] <lenovo3> im not inventing it
[19:59] <Bashing-om> alazare619: Try as a boot parameter ' systemd.unit=multi-user.target '. Do you boot to terminal? IF so we try and start the GUI .
[19:59] <lenovo3> k1l_ maybe...but this is not good for linux at the moment....we need as many converts as possible.........linux is too fragmented
[19:59] <Lexicade> Anyone kwow why my edits to my crontab are not saving after closing? D:
[19:59] <TJ-> dersand: sorry, typo! "udisksctl unmount -b /dev/sdb4"
[19:59] <alazare619> Bashing-om:  problem i have is i dont ever even see grub
[19:59] <lenovo3> an linux is good for reviving rejected PC's
[19:59] <alazare619> it boots to damn quick
[19:59] <k1l_> lenovo3: amount of ram is not the reason for using 64bit. linux distributions are thinking about dropping 32bit isos anyway. besides: ubuntu is multiarch, so you can install 32bit software on 64bit ubuntu
[19:59] <lenovo3> so 32 bit support is important
[19:59] <linocisco> root@Tommy-Inspiron-3443:/dev/usb# sudo service ccpd status
[19:59] <linocisco> ● ccpd.service - (null)
[19:59] <linocisco>    Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/ccpd)
[19:59] <linocisco>    Active: inactive (dead)
[19:59] <linocisco>      Docs: man:systemd-sysv-generator(8)
[19:59] <linocisco> root@Tommy-Inspiron-3443:/dev/usb#
[19:59] <k1l_> lenovo3: nope. 32bit wil die, very soon
[20:00] <auronandace> lenovo3: perhaps you don't understand freedom, anywho this is getting offtopic
[20:00] <esph> lenovo3: I'll trust myself, thanks. Anyway, your argument boils down to "why doesn't someone else do everything that could possibly be done?" Why doesn't everyone feed hungry people so no one starves?
[20:00] <lenovo3> k1l_ thats true, but there was another reason I dont use 64bit...
[20:00] <TJ-> dersand: I need to go for dinner now; are you OK for a while?
[20:00] <lenovo3> I didnt know there was a topic?  I am just coming here for support
[20:00] <k1l_> lenovo3: but i think without a specific issue that talk belongs to the #ubuntu-offtopic channel since this needs to be for specific support
[20:00] <lenovo3> would every question be off topic in a sence/
[20:01] <lenovo3> k1l_ my question is specific,
[20:01] <lenovo3> I asked why cant people precompile them ahead of time
[20:01] <auronandace> lenovo3: it is not a support question though
[20:01] <esph> lenovo3: philosophy questions aren't specific in the context of this chat.
[20:01] <linocisco> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12626617/
[20:01] <k1l_> lenovo3: for viber: talk to the viber guys. the make a 64bit one so ask them if they can make a 32bit one
[20:01] <lenovo3> thats what I am asking specifically without naming programs
[20:01] <TJ-> dersand: if you have the ISO and the device is not mounted you can write the image to USB with "sudo dd if=ubuntu-14.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=50M" ... when it finished make sure to do "sync" and wait for that to return to the shell prompt before removing the USB device from the PC
[20:01] <lenovo3> esph ok, I give up
[20:01] <k1l_> lenovo3: because its the peoples task.
[20:02] <Bashing-om> alazare619: UEFI system ?
[20:02] <alazare619> vbox bios
[20:02] <dersand> tj- http://imgur.com/a/zu8Hw
[20:02] <dersand> wrong link
[20:02] <lenovo3> thanks for the links
[20:02] <dersand> tj- http://paste.ubuntu.com/12626619/
[20:02] <lenovo3> I think they might help
[20:02] <TJ-> dersand: OK, yes, you're ready to write the ISO as per the command above
[20:03] <TJ-> dersand: get it started so I know you're on the way, then I can go to dinner!
[20:03] <Lexicade> Anyoen able to help with a crontab issue im facing?
[20:03] <lenovo3> Thank you TJ- and thank you k1l_
[20:03]  * m3n3chm0 nasZ
[20:03] <lenovo3> going to read those links you guys gave earlier
[20:04] <Lexicade> D:
[20:04] <alazare619> Bashing-om:  got it
[20:05] <alazare619> dont ask me why
[20:05] <MonkeyDust> Lexicade  let's hear it, in one line
[20:05] <dersand> tj- dd: failed to open ‘ubuntu-14.04.03-desktop-amd64.iso’: No such file or directory
[20:05] <alazare619> but systemctl set-default graphical.target after set-default multi-user.target then start slim worked
[20:05] <TJ-> dersand: did you issue the command in the same directory as you downloaded the file?
[20:05] <TJ-> dersand: "ls -al"
[20:05] <Lexicade> Put simply, after saving my changes and re-opening with crontab-e m edits are gone.
[20:06] <dersand> i see it in ls -al
[20:06] <TJ-> dersand: maybe the filename I gave you has a typo?
[20:06] <Bashing-om> alazare619: Are you now logged into the terminal ?
[20:06] <dersand> can you paste in the terminal_
[20:06] <alazare619> its up and running x11
[20:06] <dersand> ?*
[20:06] <alazare619> and i loged into the dm
[20:06] <auronandace> dersand: when you start typing the filename press tab andit should autocomplete
[20:06] <TJ-> dersand: do "pastebinit <( ls -al )"
[20:07] <dersand> wait. i just executed it
[20:07] <TJ-> dersand: if you want to paste from the GUI to termainl, Ctrl+Shift+V to paste
[20:07] <dersand> the dd command
[20:07] <TJ-> dersand: OK, and it is now running not reported an error?
[20:07] <Bashing-om> alazare619: So your system is good, just a config issue with 'slim' the login manager ?
[20:07] <dersand> i just get a blinking white stuff, i guess its doing
[20:08] <dersand> something
[20:08] <Lexicade> No idea then, I guess, MonkeyDust ?
[20:08] <dersand> 20 plus 1 records of in
[20:08] <dersand> 20+1 records in 20+1 records out<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes (1,1 GB) copied, 57,3792 s, 18,4 MB/s
[20:08] <TJ-> dersand: yes, it won't tell you anything at all... just wait patiently. When it finishes be sure to do "sync" and wait patiently again
[20:08] <vmnewbie> Bashing-om do I still need to wait?
[20:09] <dersand> i got my 'erik at ' thing back
[20:09] <TJ-> dersand: once sync returns to the shell prompt you can see the difference with "sudo lsblk -f" and then take it out and try it in the other PC
[20:09] <MonkeyDust> Lexicade  did you say or ask anything?
[20:09] <TJ-> dersand: lsblk should show the name of the Ubuntu release now
[20:09] <alazare619> Bashing-om:  looks to be a config issue with slim
[20:09] <Lexicade> Yes. I did. Multiple times.
[20:09] <dersand> tj- http://paste.ubuntu.com/12626678/
[20:09] <TJ-> dersand: Excellent! go try it now
[20:10] <dersand> how do i safetly disconnect the usb?
[20:10] <MonkeyDust> Lexicade  no, disappearing commands from crontab is bit vague
[20:10] <TJ-> dersand: unplug it :)
[20:10] <BenMcLean> hey guys. anyone know how to make a desktop launcher for freac? (the free audio encoder program)
[20:10] <alazare619> Bashing-om:  http://hastebin.com/irekiyagis.rb
[20:10] <Lexicade> ITs all I got to go by unforunately. I dont have this magicallog email that its supposed to send.
[20:10] <BenMcLean> When I try to make one, selecting it has no effect :(
[20:10] <dersand> tj- isnt there any cool command do to that? im dissapointed
[20:10] <BenMcLean> this doesn't happen with other programs
[20:10] <dersand> very well
[20:11] <TJ-> dersand: as long as no file-system on the device is mounted, you can just unplug it
[20:11] <dersand> wish me luck
[20:11] <dersand> allright
[20:11] <TJ-> dersand: I'm off to dinner now
[20:11] <dersand> tj- enjoy!!!
[20:12] <BenMcLean> see i made this here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12626722/
[20:12] <auronandace> !cookie | TJ-
[20:13] <BenMcLean> my freac is extracted to /home/ben/Apps/freac/freac and I know it's the right path because the icon works
[20:14] <Bashing-om> alazare619: Look'n
[20:14] <smellsLikeGoatSp> hey guys, how can I enable 5GHz wifi on my ubuntu machine. I have an intel wireless 7260ac?
[20:14] <BenMcLean> no one has any idea why that launcher doesn't work? :(
[20:15] <Bashing-om> alazare619: Is there some reason you have to have a login manager ?  Now we are out of my depth, but we have to convert the upstart script for 'slim' to that of 15.04's systemd. Totally out of my depth . See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers .
[20:20] <alazare619> yea i started doing that and i got it converted to systemd it even enabled now...but its still dropping to non graphical...
[20:20] <BenMcLean> I don't understand though, why Unity / Nautilus doesn't come with an easy shortcut making option in all it's context menus like Windows has
[20:20] <alazare619> its weird because i can systemctl start slim.service
[20:20] <alazare619> and boom i have slim...but it will NOT boot to it ...
[20:21] <dennis__> hi, i search for a youtube uploader software. Can anyone help me?
[20:21] <Bashing-om> alazare619: .xinitrc in the /home directory ?
[20:21] <auronandace> dennis__: uploader? you use their website interface
[20:22] <dersand> is there a way to zip or rar something?
[20:22] <alexus> hello
[20:22] <BenMcLean> dersand, yeah. you'll need a zip or rar making program.
[20:23] <k1l_> dersand: yes you can zip or rar something on ubuntu
[20:23] <dersand2> k1l_ anything in-built so to speak?
[20:23] <MonkeyDust> !zip
[20:23] <k1l_> dersand2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[20:24] <BenMcLean> I was wondering where this symbolic link's supposed to go MonkeyDust
[20:24] <alexus> ufw status verbose reports default: deny (incoming), i dont think that part is working as i'm able to connect without any issues...
[20:24] <alexus> any help?
[20:25] <MonkeyDust> BenMcLean  try to /usr/bin/ and/or to /usr/share/applications/
[20:25] <dersand2> changing name on irc, how do i do it?
[20:25] <alexus>  /name newname
[20:25] <MonkeyDust> dersand2  /nick blah
[20:25] <dersand2> did it worked?
[20:25] <alexus> i meant to say /nick sorry
[20:25] <dersand2> lol
[20:25] <BenMcLean> MonkeyDust, to there, but where FROM ?
[20:26] <k1l_> dersand2: maybe you need to install the zip, unzip, unrar(-free) to get it working.
[20:26] <alexus> can someone help me with my ufw please?
[20:26] <dersand> k1l_ no, i didn't pay attention. found it.
[20:26] <dersand> k1l_ thanks
[20:26] <MonkeyDust> BenMcLean  from the executable you created
[20:26] <teward> alexus: run: sudo ufw enable
[20:26] <teward> alexus: then try
[20:26] <alexus> teward ufw is already enabled
[20:26] <Bashing-om> vmnewbie: How ya doing ?
[20:26] <alexus> ufw status says active
[20:27] <teward> alexus: how are you testing the 'connect'
[20:27] <BenMcLean> MonkeyDust, you mean the executable I extracted in /home/ben/Apps/freac/ ?
[20:27] <vmnewbie> Bashing-om having an anxiety attack about my comp. I was debating on formatting my hd D:
[20:27] <alexus> teward, i use curl on a remote server
[20:27] <MonkeyDust> BenMcLean  yes, try that
[20:28] <MonkeyDust> BenMcLean  but does the executable work when you run it from its direct path?
[20:28] <BenMcLean> MonkeyDust are you sure you don't mean a symbolic link from usr/share/applications/ to that executable?
[20:28] <Bashing-om> vmnewbie: Good for the heart. a (RE-)install is the means of last resort .( though often the quickest) . So where ya stuck ? We get ya over that .
[20:29] <alexus> teward i also tried ssh as well
[20:30] <BenMcLean> MonkeyDust yes it works from it's direct path
[20:30] <vmnewbie> Bashing-om so I tried booting into the old kernel, didn't do anything. Same error in the end
[20:30] <BenMcLean> so that would be ln -s /home/ben/Apps/freac/freac /usr/share/applications
[20:31] <vmnewbie> Bashing-om are you going to be on in am hour?
[20:31] <vmnewbie> An*
[20:31] <BenMcLean> sudo that i guess
[20:31] <BenMcLean> The link created from that does not work
[20:32] <teward> alexus: do you have firewall rules to permit connections to those ports?
[20:32] <Bashing-om> vmnewbie: Well, if ya boot to terminal .. and GUI/graphic's driver is not a part of the equation. If you can boot to terminal shows the system is intact and the problem lies in the X layer .
[20:32] <plugyn> if I automount my external drive on boot, will it cause an error if it's not plugged in or will it skip it and continue to boot normally?
[20:32] <vmnewbie> Bashing-om so that will help in narrowing this down?
[20:32] <Bashing-om> vmnewbie: I expect to be here about 4 more hours or so .
[20:32] <wileee> plugyn, should skip if set up correctly.
[20:33] <plugyn> thanks wilee.
[20:33] <vmnewbie> I'm in class vetting answers to a practice exam. I'll message you after
[20:33] <vmnewbie> Thanks
[20:33] <vmnewbie> Bashing-om  ^
[20:33] <wileee> plugyn, fstab I assume you've used.
[20:33] <plugyn> yup.
[20:33] <wileee> cool
[20:33] <alexus> teward, I have strict rule that allows connection to specific port from speicic IP range, yet I'm able to connect to these ports from other networks as well and according to ufw status verbose it shows me Default: deny (incoming) which I assume should deny all incoming connections, unless I have a rule to allow in (which I don't)
[20:33] <alazare619> Bashing-om:  got it
[20:33] <alazare619> systemctl disable multi-user.target is what i had to do
[20:34] <alazare619> for some reason it was overiding default graphical target...
[20:34] <plugyn> i have my secondary autoboot, but I accidentially broke xubuntu doing that. Got it all fixed but I don't want to have to do the same thing just because my external isn't plugged in lmao
[20:34] <plugyn> automount*
[20:35] <BenMcLean> MonkeyDust, that symbolic link doesn't work :
[20:35] <BenMcLean> :(
[20:35] <Bashing-om> vmnewbie: 75% of boot issues after a update are graphics related .. due to the old graphics card built against that old kernel . We dtermine that it is a grahics issue and purge/re-install the driver .
[20:36] <Bashing-om> alazare619: "got ot" mean ya booting to GUI mow ?
[20:36] <vmnewbie> Bashing-om is that an easy how to on google?
[20:37] <Bashing-om> vmnewbie: It is not hard at all . easier than said to boot to terminal. You on a different computer than is the problem ? We wlak you through booting to terminal from grub .
[20:38] <vmnewbie> I'm on my phone. Yeah. Can we try in one hour? I'm in class
[20:38] <daftykins> LOL.
[20:38] <Bashing-om> vmnewbie: K .. at your pace .
[20:40] <badcom> Hi guys. Which GUI tool you guys use on Ubuntu? I installed Mysql-Workbench, but it's a bit sluggish and it hangs sometimes =/
[20:40] <Jaglor> I'm trying to use ppa-purge to get rid of this: W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kernel-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/dists/vivid/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found ... what would be the syntax?
[20:40] <smellsLikeGoatSp> how do I activate the 5ghz wifi of my dual-band ac?
[20:41] <Bashing-om> alazare619: I will keep that in mind, As when I upgrade to systemd, going to be a learning curve dealing with my minimal install .
[20:42] <lord2800> hey folks, I'm trying to customize /etc/network/interfaces in ubuntu 14.04.2 at install time using late_command in a preseed file without much luck--the file reverts back to the default after the first boot (destroying my changes), and doesn't include a line like "source-directory interfaces.d" like the docs say it should
[20:44] <Jaglor> Figured it out: sudo apt-add-repository --remove ppa:kernel-ppa/ppa
[20:44] <TJ-> dersand: Did the PC boot the installer?
[20:44] <dersand> tj- yes. thanks a 10000x times
[20:44] <lord2800> for various reasons, I can't yet make my dhcp server do the right thing, so I need to make /etc/network/interfaces cover the gap temporarily
[20:45] <dersand> tj- i don't got much, but i have like 100 doge-coins if you want them
[20:45] <TJ-> dersand: *PHEW*
[20:46] <T3DDY> Anyone know if it's easy to install Ubuntu onto a MacBook pro
[20:46] <TJ-> dersand: thank-you but no, you keep them. It is good to know we solved it
[20:46] <auronandace> !mac | T3DDY
[20:46] <daftykins> T3DDY: depends on the model, there's a page ^
[20:47] <dersand> tj- yeah absolutely! also, do you know  how to change the order in the gnu? like the purple screen where ubuntu, memtest86 and the other memtest86.
[20:48] <daftykins> dersand: /etc/default/grub
[20:48] <daftykins> well, default - not so much order
[20:49] <dersand> daftykins, still a pretty noob to this, what does that mean
[20:49] <auronandace> dersand: one way is to rename the files in /etc/grub.d/ then do a update-grub
[20:50] <daftykins> dersand: it is a configuration file wherein the default OS to boot on startup can be chosen
[20:50] <TJ-> dersand: that is the GRUB menu. you'd have to tinker with the scripts under /etc/grub.d/ to do that.If you only want to change the 'default' entry (the one that is started if you don't intervene) you can edit /etc/default/grub and change the GRUB_DEFAULT to be the index number of the entry
[20:50] <dersand> tj- got it
[20:51] <dersand> also, i had a folder on the pc i wanted to boot on which had some python projects in. (w10). But i can't find this folder
[20:51] <dersand> it was like c:\users\pycharmprojects
[20:52] <auronandace> dersand: you'll need to mount the windows partition
[20:52] <dersand> qa
[20:52] <TJ-> dersand: NTFS file-systems should be seen by the GUI file-manager as optional devices that you can mount by clicking on them
[20:53] <TJ-> dersand: paths to files will be the same but the Windows drive letters no longer apply
[20:53] <dersand> auronandace i have found it, i have found almost everything from my w10 drives except for that folder
[20:53] <DaSpirit> Hey, if I install 15.10, will it automagically upgrade when final version releases?
[20:53] <daftykins> DaSpirit: yes
[20:53] <DaSpirit> daftykins, using its own software updater?
[20:53] <daftykins> yes
[20:53] <TJ-> dersand: so if the file-manager auto-mounts what you know on Windows as C: it might appear as /media/erik/Windows/users/pycharmprojects
[20:53] <DaSpirit> Great.
[20:54] <DaSpirit> Time to install.
[20:54] <daftykins> DaSpirit: your risk :) note the channel for discussion of wily is #ubuntu+1
[20:55] <DaSpirit> All right thanks! I assume it should be stable enough... release is a week away.
[20:55] <dersand> tj- yeah i got that part,
[20:55] <dersand> i can find all other files except for that python folder...
[20:55] <TJ-> dersand: really? are you sure that's where it was?
[20:55] <dersand> makes me think that maybe that folder was auto generated on startup?
[20:56] <dersand> yeah i've even used the search function for file names i 100% know exists
[20:56] <TJ-> dersand: might be. In a terminal try "sudo find /media/erik/Windows -iname '*pycharm*'" (make sure the /media/erik/Windows matches your actual path!)
[20:58] <auronandace> dersand: are you sure they weren't online files?
[20:59] <dersand> i find them in the find command
[20:59] <dersand>  /media/ubuntu/6C9A5B919A5B56A4/Users/Erik/PycharmProjects
[21:00] <Donrosaduck> hello : is it possible to fix a bios from a terminal with a ubuntu live cd ?
[21:00] <dersand> ... but when i am navigating to the same directory. Nothing. haha
[21:01] <bprompt_> Donrosaduck:   fix a bios?   what does that mean?
[21:01] <Ifni> Hi, could someone help me with a networking problem? My laptop freezes everytime I connect to the internet and I've tried installing the drivers to no avail
[21:02] <TJ-> dersand: are you still using the Live Ubuntu environment?
[21:02] <auronandace> dersand: they weren't hidden files were they?
[21:02] <m3n3chm0> hi, blank screen using fresh player plugin.. I just only can hear the sound but image is blank :S
[21:02] <dersand> tj- yes auronandace no clue
[21:03] <dersand> http://i.imgur.com/2mgpNZU.jpg tj-
[21:03] <TJ-> dersand: Notice I gave you a command prefixed with 'sudo' so it gained root privileges. If your regular user session cannot see those same files it suggests a directory isn't accessible to your non-privileged user session
[21:04] <dersand> should i try non-sudo?
[21:04] <dersand> same results without sudo
[21:04] <MonkeyDust> dersand  type tj and then hit tab, see what happens, it autocompletes the name
[21:05] <dersand> MonkeyDust: thanks!
[21:05] <tkuester> Hey, I'm modprobing netconsole to do some kernel debugging, but I'm not seeing any output on the other side. Any ideas?
[21:06] <Ifni> can anyone help me with a broadcom BCM43142
[21:06] <Bashing-om> !bcm | Ifni Have you seen:
[21:06] <tkuester> dmesg says it's all good and ready to go, but "nc -l -u 6666" just sits there quietly
[21:07] <TJ-> dersand: "sudo apt-get install pastebinit" then "pastebinit <( ls -al /media/ubuntu/6C9A5B919A5B56A4/Users/Erik/ )"
[21:07] <Ifni> Yes I've installed the drivers
[21:07] <Ifni> but my computer keeps freezing whenever I connect to the internet using wifi
[21:07] <TJ-> tkuester: what's the kernel command line you're using?
[21:08] <bprompt_> Donrosaduck:     in channel :), more eyes, more responses :)
[21:08] <tkuester> TJ-: modprobe netconsole netconsole=6665<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:08] <dersand> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12627079/
[21:09] <TJ-> dersand: "d????????? ? ?      ?             ?            ? PycharmProjects"
[21:09] <TJ-> dersand: looks like the permisions on that directory are 'weird' :)
[21:09] <dersand> tj- saveable?
[21:09] <TJ-> dersand: I think auronandace might have the correct idea... is it some kind of mountpoint for a remote Internet cloud service?
[21:10] <dersand> TJ-: no idea
[21:10] <Donrosaduck> so hello i got some problems : i can't acces to hp bios update so i would ask if its possible to "fix" (sorry for my english) my bios from a live ubuntu
[21:11] <TJ-> dersand: the 'find' command you did, did not show any files inside that directory, so I think it must be some kind of Windows mount-point... could it be for a cabinet or ZIP archive file, if not a remote 'cloud' storage service?
[21:11] <wileee> Donrosaduck, very unlikely have seen some linux command use. In general to flash the bios you can get a bootable.
[21:13] <Donrosaduck> wilee yes bt the matter is i don't got cd writter and for now i don't now how to make a usb boot from ubuntu so i have to learn that ^^
[21:14] <bprompt_> Donrosaduck:      you mean, you're dual booting and grub isn't loading either ubuntu or windows or the other OS you have there?
[21:14] <wileee> Donrosaduck, learn what?
[21:14] <Ifni> I installed the driver I need for my broadcom as http://askubuntu.com/questions/55868/installing-broadcom-wireless-drivers?page=1&tab=votes#tab-top  sais but it's not working
[21:15] <wileee> Donrosaduck, I think we need a better problem outline is all.
[21:16] <chatmate> YUMI is good for botable images
[21:19] <Donrosaduck> well i buy a pc with windows 7 but he got some pb; pc was very slow.so now i install ubuntu . work first but still very slow ( at least 1(minutes to start) i try to flash bios but no way and no i try to make a boot repair cose i got problem i thinks with grub
[21:20] <tkuester> Whoof. Nothing at all out of tcpdump for netconsole. :( Definitely stuck.
[21:20] <Donrosaduck> but you know i m jsut a noob in linux so i have to learn how to make a usb boot
[21:20] <MonkeyDust> Donrosaduck  you consider 1 minute to start a long time?
[21:21] <wileee> Donrosaduck, did you save the bootinfo summary a url?
[21:22] <Donrosaduck> sorry 15miniutes ^^ and the bootinfo is http://past.ubuntu.com/12627160
[21:23] <Donrosaduck> http://past.ubuntu.com/12627160/ sorry for the mistakes
[21:24] <Donrosaduck> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12627160/ sorry for the mistakes
[21:25] <bprompt_> Donrosaduck:    you bought the machine with windows7, that means is a bit of an older hardware, a dual-core likely with 2.3ghz or so per core, 1min or 60secs to boot isn't that slow for that hardware
[21:25] <MonkeyDust> bprompt_  that's what i have
[21:26] <bprompt_> 60secs isn't slow though :)
[21:26] <Donrosaduck> no its more like 20 minutes for windows and 15mintues for ubuntu
[21:26] <wileee> Donrosaduck, The sda1 ubuntu partition has errors.
[21:27] <Donrosaduck> ok but what does it means ? is it a physicial problem i need to replace something or just use boot repair ?
[21:29] <wileee> Donrosaduck, Not an expert in this exactly, however looks like the HD or the partitioning/software is broken, lets get others opinions.
[21:30] <mikehaas763> Using something like `do-release-upgrade` is it possible to upgrade to 14.04 and not 14.10 or 15.04?
[21:30] <k1l_> mikehaas763: from what release?
[21:31] <mikehaas763> 13.10
[21:31] <k1l_> mikehaas763: there is the LTS upgrade path, which is LTS->LTS. like 12.04 -> 14.04
[21:32] <dersand> Anyone have some familiarity with git?
[21:32] <reisio> higher percentage in #git
[21:32] <mikehaas763> I'm not sure how to control the upgrade path without the ui... I'm on a server over ssh
[21:33] <mikehaas763> plus I'm already *not on an LTS release
[21:33] <k1l_> mikehaas763: from 13.10 you can directly upgrade to 14.04. from 14.04 you can go every upgrade (14.04->14.10->15.04) or the LTS path from 14.04 to 16.04 (when its released)
[21:33] <darsie> dersand: I guess the ppl in #git .
[21:33] <Donrosaduck> ok ty wilee from the begining i think i got some problem with the HD. that could explain why its slow
[21:33] <mikehaas763> k1l_: so running `do-release-upgrade` will only bump me to the next version?
[21:33] <wileee> Donrosaduck, I would boot a live ubuntu and run a smart test for that.
[21:33] <k1l_> mikehaas763: to 14.04 in your case.
[21:34] <k1l_> mikehaas763: you have no choice than to upgrade to 14.04 (which is over due a long time already)
[21:34] <k1l_> mikehaas763: from that you can set the release-propmt to make upgrade to the short-path or the LTS-path like explained above
[21:34] <mikehaas763> k1l_: I know it's EOL. Idk how I missed it I thought I upgraded it about a year ago.
[21:35] <darsie> Can you please switch to the selected keymap when it's selected in the installer. I had to type my name and passwords with querty instead of dvorak.
[21:35] <bindi> how long should 'sync' command take?
[21:35] <wileee> Donrosaduck, Has a built in in disks a gui in a dropdown, some would say a terminal run version is more accurate in the end,  the gui is a good start I think.
[21:35] <mikehaas763> is do-release-upgrade interactive? That's why I'm asking I didn't want to run it and have it just start doing the upgrade to 15.04 or something
[21:35] <TJ-> dersand: What do you want to know about git?
[21:35] <k1l_> mikehaas763: it will never go to 15.04 from your point
[21:35] <alexus> teward any ideas?
[21:36] <k1l_> mikehaas763: its either "next release in line" (like explained), "next LTS" or "nothing".
[21:36] <mikehaas763> So it will go to the next or if you're on the LTS path it will only do LTS versions. I'm assuming that's configuration somewhere?
[21:36] <k1l_> mikehaas763: its not interactive. but you set the path in the release-prompt
[21:36] <dersand> tj- the only python project i want to save is one i did a local commit on. But if it is inside the pythonprojects folder, it doesn't matter
[21:36] <dersand> TJ-: i never pushed it to github or anything.
[21:36] <k1l_> mikehaas763: you cant set to to upgrade to a specific number. just the path
[21:37] <k1l_> mikehaas763: /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[21:37] <TJ-> dersand: ahhh, i see. You've still not found the files? It's a git repo though?
[21:37] <bigmyx>  trying to resize the mounted ext4 partition, I have disk of 100G, my / partition (on /dev/sda1) is 15G (at the beginning of the disk), when I run resize2fs, I get: "The filesystem is already 3931904 blocks long.  Nothing to do!"
[21:38] <dersand> tj- yeah... i'm not sure what to do.
[21:38] <dersand> TJ-: yeah the one with git init; git add *; git commit -m ""
[21:39] <wileee> bigmyx, has to be unmounted
[21:39] <TJ-> dersand: how about "sudo find /media/ubuntu/6C9A5B919A5B56A4/ -name '.git' " ?
[21:39] <mikehaas763> Ok awesome that file explained the behavior well
[21:39] <TJ-> bigmyx: wileee: if the ext* file-system is being extended it can be done online; no unmounting required
[21:39] <k1l_> mikehaas763: from 13.10 you can only go to 14.04 with the normal prompt. all other paths are not available in that situation
[21:40] <dersand> TJ-: i tried it. But i did the git init where all of my files were, so it's still in that pycharmprojects with the weird permissions.
[21:40] <TJ-> bigmyx: I'd suspect the reason is you've edited the partition table on-disk but *not* informed the kernel of the change
[21:40] <wileee> TJ-, Cool, not familiar with that path.
[21:40] <dersand> i sent an ticket to pycharm. Hopefully they can help me
[21:41] <Donrosaduck> wilee ok i just have to know what is a gui dropdown but dw google is my friends ^^
[21:41] <bigmyx> TJ-: seems like I have not extended the partition it self ...
[21:41] <bigmyx> can I do it with parted ?
[21:41] <TJ-> bigmyx: compare "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdX" with "grep sdX /proc/partitions" - if they are different do "sudo partprobe  /dev/sdX" then you can do "sudo resize2fs /dev/sdXY"
[21:42] <wileee> Donrosaduck, gui is guided usr interface, nice buttons, etc no terminal, drop down is you push a button and it gives you a choice in a list. So on the live ubuntu is an application called disks, in it's top right corner is a smart disk checker.
[21:42] <TJ-> wileee: I use LVM LVs and extend them as an when required so I do online resizes frequently - it is extremely useful
[21:43] <wileee> TJ-, I missed the LVM part, I have not messed with 'it' seems like something to learn, thanks.
[21:43] <TJ-> wileee: it works without LVM, but because I use LVM I keep LVs as small as possible and lvextend && resize2fs as needed
[21:44] <TJ-> wileee: bigmyx I think is using raw partitions; resize2fs works the same way as long as the kernel knows the new partition size (via /proc/partitions)
[21:45] <LoRez> TJ-: so, oddities abound here.  a fresh install with 3.13.0-65 works fine with both of our serial devices, but a precise box upgraded to trusty does not.  A symptom is that -65 doesn't know where to install keyspan firmware from suddenly...
[21:45] <wileee> TJ-, LVM, seems really useful, we see it here often. Ah raw, I have avoided that area as well,
[21:45] <bigmyx> wileee: yes, I am using the raw partition, I missed the part of resizing the partition it self
[21:46] <wileee> bigmyx, Cool, glad we were helped, my two things I try to avoid are bad help, and dragging it along by not knowing.
[21:47] <wileee> I fail daily, heh
[21:49] <oddRaven> wileee, you can't avoid something you don't know
[21:49] <dersand> i'm heading out.  Thank you so much for helping me tj-, will probably never forget it
[21:50] <darsie> ok, my computer works even worse with ubuntu, comparde to debian.
[21:50] <darsie> compared*
[21:50] <oddRaven> that seems about right
[21:51] <MonkeyDust> darsie  that's unfortunate, feel free to go back to debian
[21:52] <alexus> "ufw status verbose" reports "Default: deny (incoming), allow (outgoing), deny (routed)", yet I'm able to make incoming connection without any issue, any ideas why?
[21:52] <edgy> Hi, I removed libapache2-mod-php5 but for some reason it got installed with any php5 updates
[21:52] <darsie> MonkeyDust: Looks like I need a new computer.
[21:53] <TJ-> alexus: is ufw's rules actually loaded? "sudo iptables -vnL" ?
[21:53] <edgy> how can I stop it from being installed
[21:54] <alexus> TJ- status says active
[21:55] <TJ-> alexus: *but* does uptables show the policies set on the tables match what ufw claims?
[21:55] <TJ-> s/uptables/iptables/
[21:55] <alexus> I just ran your command and I'm seeing my rules
[21:56] <daftykins> edgy: why worry? just have it disabled in your apache
[21:56] <edgy> daftykins: I do but it got reenable automatically every time
[21:57] <edgy> daftykins: php5 depends on this package so it got installed and enabled!
[21:57] <TJ-> alexus: what are the default policies set on each table? if UFW claims "deny (incoming)" I'd expect to see "Chain INPUT (policy DENY ..."
[21:57] <daftykins> edgy: hmm, the module is never pulled in on my servers - could be you selected to install a meta package instead of the specific ones you want, check the policy of everything you get from "dpkg -l | grep php" perhaps
[21:58] <edgy> daftykins: I don't even see the reason why php5 depends on apache
[21:58] <daftykins> it doesn't either afaiui :)
[21:58] <alexus> TJ- would that be ok for me to put it to pastebin and /msg url to you?
[21:59] <TJ-> edgy: this may help: "apt-cache rdepends libapache2-mod-php5"
[21:59] <edgy> daftykins: apt-cache show php5 |grep libapache2-mod-php5 shows it
[21:59] <TJ-> alexus: pastebin it and post the URL in the channel; everyone is available to help
[21:59] <daftykins> edgy: oh here we go - php5 : Depends: libapache2-mod-php5, so i guess you shouldn't use the meta package 'php5' :)
[21:59] <alexus> http://pastebin.com/x05jM0tz
[22:02] <TJ-> alexus: well that explains it. UFW doesn't actually DENY or DROP the packages outright, it passed them through several other custom tables first. Which ports/protocols are you testing with?
[22:02] <edgy> daftykins: but php5 depends on  libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.5.9+dfsg-1ubuntu4.13) | libapache2-mod-php5filter (>= 5.5.9+dfsg-1ubuntu4.13) | php5-cgi (>= 5.5.9+dfsg-1ubuntu4.13) | php5-fpm (>= 5.5.9+dfsg-1ubuntu4.13) and I already have php5-cgi installed. Isn't "|" means OR?
[22:02] <edgy> daftykins: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-updates/php5
[22:03] <daftykins> i don't think so, i'd take it to mean all of them
[22:03] <alexus> TJ- I'm testing it with ssh (22/tcp)
[22:03] <daftykins> edgy: just show a pastebin of "dpkg -l | grep php" like i said and we'll see ;)
[22:04] <TJ-> alexus: and you have several rules enabling TCP port 22 in the "ufw-user-input" table
[22:04] <edgy> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12627436/
[22:05] <daftykins> edgy: mmhmm, so get rid of the meta-package 'php5', remove the module once again and it shouldn't come back in
[22:05] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: Hey I'm back. Out of class
[22:06] <alexus> TJ- this is all default, I added specific network range for port 22/tcp and couple of others
[22:06] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: it's vmnewbie
[22:07] <edgy> daftykins: ok, done would check when there is another update one day. Thanks
[22:08] <alexus> um, sorry I gotta leave now... unless you think you have a quick answer)
[22:08] <alexus> i'll log back in later when I get home
[22:09] <alexus> thank you TJ- and anyone else who participate)
[22:12] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: Hey do you remember yesterday when you helped me get my computer's wifi back online?
[22:12] <amazoniantoad> erm...back
[22:12] <amazoniantoad> not back online...lol
[22:12] <daftykins> and me!
[22:12] <daftykins> ;)
[22:12] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: Yes!
[22:12] <amazoniantoad> Sorry I couldn't remember your name
[22:12] <daftykins> np
[22:12] <daftykins> so you have some boot related query today?
[22:12] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: so I ran the upgrade....and restarted my computer hours later...and now I can't log into my computer
[22:12] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: yeah
[22:13] <daftykins> ok what happens specifically?
[22:13] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: when I get to the login screen, default background is showing and there is no taskbar
[22:13] <amazoniantoad> and when I log in, black screen with squares of background color scattered across
[22:13] <amazoniantoad> with a error window
[22:13] <amazoniantoad> and it exits out too quickly for me to read
[22:13] <amazoniantoad> and goes back to the login screen
[22:14] <amazoniantoad> Tried nomodeset and booting to the old kernel
[22:14] <amazoniantoad> problem percists
[22:14] <daftykins> ok, so i take it it doesn't show enough controls to pick the guest session to test?
[22:14] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: it does, actually
[22:14] <amazoniantoad> same result though
[22:14] <daftykins> ah ok, that confirms it's system wide
[22:14] <daftykins> were we dealing with a laptop and 15.04? i slept since then :)
[22:15] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: I believe so.
[22:15] <amazoniantoad> If that's the newest version
[22:15] <daftykins> are you on another device right now or?
[22:15] <amazoniantoad> yes
[22:15] <daftykins> ok, i'd probably boot a live session as task #1
[22:15] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: using a usb?
[22:16] <Bashing-om> amazoniantoad: I am back here. Are you now booted to terminal ?
[22:16] <daftykins> yep
[22:16] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: no. daftykins Bashing-om suggested booting to terminal
[22:16] <daftykins> sure, wouldn't hurt to try that first
[22:16] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: how do I accomplish that?
[22:17] <daftykins> well when the login screen is up, you could just switch to TTY1 with Ctrl+Alt+F1
[22:17] <amazoniantoad> okay
[22:17] <amazoniantoad> un momento por favor
[22:17] <daftykins> i'll hand it back over to Bashing-om for what he'd like you to try though
[22:17] <amazoniantoad> k
[22:17] <daftykins> as i think i already got enough info to think it's more serious than what i would've done at TTY1
[22:18] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: at terminal now
[22:18] <amazoniantoad> logged in
[22:20] <Bashing-om> amazoniantoad: What release are we working with - as it do make a huge difference . ' cat /etc/issue ' .
[22:20] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: 15.04
[22:20] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: Wait no
[22:20] <amazoniantoad> It's 14.04.3 LTS
[22:23] <Bashing-om> amazoniantoad: K, Let's insure that "you" have access to your home . do 'ls -al /home' . who owms and is grouped to your usrename's home directory here ? as in " drwxr-xr-x 29 sysop sysop  4096 Sep 30 17:14 sysop " where I am sysop .
[22:24] <amazoniantoad> drwxr-xr-x 59 jr jr (that's me) 4096
[22:24] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: drwxr-xr-x 59 jr jr (that's me) 4096
[22:25] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: drwxr-xr-x 59 jr jr (that's me) 4096 Sep 30 14:51 jr
[22:25] <amazoniantoad> actually
[22:26] <Jake> Hey there, I have ubuntu installed on my laptop and I installed a new battery a couple weeks ago. The system says the battery is full but it is only at 4209mAH of 5200mAH according to tlp, is there a way to adjust where the system thinks the battery is full?
[22:27] <daftykins> Jake: is it a Lenovo?
[22:27] <Jake> daftykins: nope, packard bell
[22:27] <daftykins> ok nm
[22:27] <Bashing-om> amazoniantoad: Good, next level dowm ' ls -al /home/jr/ ' Of interest is the .ICEauthority and .Xauthority files . That jr owns and is the group .
[22:27] <Jake> daftykins: I would use the tlp functions for it, but that is only for thinkpads :P
[22:28] <daftykins> Jake: no, what i was getting as is some Lenovos have a 'charge only to x%' BIOS function
[22:29] <Jake> this laptop has no battery settings in the BIOS, I did check that unfortnately
[22:29] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: -rw-------- 1 jr jr 100670 Sep 30 14:51 .ICEauthority && -rw------- 1 jr jr 53 Sep 30 14:51 .Xauthority
[22:29] <daftykins> Jake: yeah that's why i said nevermind :D
[22:29] <TJ-> Jake: the reported mAh comes via the battery interface; it may be the battery's charge_full is less than its charge_full_design
[22:29] <daftykins> Bashing-om: btw amazoniantoad mentioned the guest session is affected also, so i suspect it's more serious :(
[22:30] <Bashing-om> amazoniantoad: Great. that issue is behind us, IJ, now what is thge Desktop Environment that we want to start ? As in unity or ?
[22:30] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: unity
[22:31] <Bashing-om> daftykins: amazoniantoad Yeah, suspect that too .. like a graphics driver .
[22:31] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: what can I read to be as knowledgable as you with linux?
[22:31] <TJ-> I'd suggest checking the various Xorg.0.log* files
[22:31] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: about 5 years of IRC support :)
[22:32] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: Darn.
[22:32] <amazoniantoad> I have a linux handbook...maybe I should pick up again
[22:33] <daftykins> amazoniantoad: i don't think there's really a shortcut resource, at least i've never looked for one - i'm mostly self taught and had to use it at Uni :)
[22:33] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: the best way to learn is poke about in a working system, one sub-system at a time, until you know what a working good system looks like, and then break it and try to fix it. Virtual Machines are great for that
[22:33] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: so am I...but I'm feeling like a noob here...couldn't resolve my wifi issue on my own and now this
[22:34] <daftykins> well, i pick up a lot from being in here
[22:34] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: I normally just use my vm's to test software/break other people's software
[22:34] <daftykins> amazoniantoad: it might amuse you to know i don't even use ubuntu on the desktop 8D
[22:34] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: haha
[22:34]  * amazoniantoad is indeed amused
[22:34] <daftykins> (but shh don't tell anyone)
[22:34] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: and the key to good diagnosis is to know which log files to look at, and what to expect to see in them on a  good system so you can instantly spot anomalies.
[22:35] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: I have much to learn then
[22:35] <daftykins> so do we all :)
[22:35] <Bashing-om> amazoniantoad: Are you concerned the ressurrextion will occur before you learn linux ? - In any event let's prepare to read the logs . do ' sudo service lightdm start ' . any joy ? any errors back to the terminal ?
[22:35] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: I pick up most of my knowledge from reading log files, reading man-pages, the config files under /etc/ and the source-code of various tools
[22:36] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: Job is already running
[22:36] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: I have a feverish thirst for info
[22:36] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: Ah
[22:39] <Bashing-om> amazoniantoad: Well, then we looking at an X thing .. let's see what the logs do say ' cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit ; cat ~/.Xsession-errors | pastebinit ' .
[22:39] <Mamba_2> Sup
[22:41] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: it says socket error and that /home/jr/.Xsession-errors: No such file or directory
[22:42] <amazoniantoad> oh
[22:42] <amazoniantoad> capital x
[22:42] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: Forget about the file not existing, just no internet
[22:42] <amazoniantoad> Connected ethernet cable, no internet.
[22:43] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: let's get simple to start with: do you get anything returned by "grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log" ?
[22:43] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: yes
[22:44] <EriC^^> amazoniantoad: try ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:44] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: want me to type it all out
[22:44] <amazoniantoad> ?
[22:44] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: Right, so there are problems. So we do need to see that log. Does that system use network manager to get the network usually?
[22:44] <amazoniantoad> EriC^^: network unreachable
[22:44] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: yes
[22:44] <Bashing-om> amazoniantoad: Humm ,,, odd .. what returms ' ls -al /home/jr/.xsession-errors ' that file "should" exist .
[22:45] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: it does exist. it was a typo
[22:45] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: type "nmcli con"
[22:45] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: bunch of my old wifi networks
[22:45] <amazoniantoad> Haha
[22:45] <amazoniantoad> Seeing some old ones I used to have
[22:45] <amazoniantoad> omg
[22:45] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: identify the correct ID for the connection you want, and then do "nmcli con up id "<name-of-connection>"
[22:45] <amazoniantoad> sooo immature
[22:45] <amazoniantoad> FBI Surveillance Van 2 is what I need
[22:45] <amazoniantoad> ah
[22:45] <amazoniantoad> okay
[22:45] <kyjus25> XD
[22:46] <TJ-> use the double quotes to surround the name if it has spaces in
[22:46] <amazoniantoad> I have 4 wifi access points in my home, all with different van #'s
[22:46] <daftykins> that seems poorly designed
[22:46] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: that should give you the network then pastebinit will work
[22:46] <daftykins> matching SSID but separating by channel would allow roaming :>
[22:46] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: No suitable device found
[22:47] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: then you chose the wrong one, or the hardware is broke :)
[22:47] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: hold on
[22:47] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: you said you plugged in an Ethernet cable. That should cause NM to report a "Wired Connection X"
[22:47] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: if you see such an connection, try using that
[22:47] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: ah
[22:48] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: it can't be broken...
[22:48] <amazoniantoad> D:
[22:48] <amazoniantoad> Omg
[22:48] <amazoniantoad> the worst possible time
[22:48] <amazoniantoad> omg
[22:48] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: please, don't use Enter as punctuation!
[22:48] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: Sorry.
[22:49] <daftykins> to be honest your install has been behaving so oddly i wouldn't be surprised if there's some hardware failure going on
[22:50] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: Well, so should I boot into a live CD and save my data, then wipe the hard drive?
[22:50] <daftykins> why?
[22:50] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: too many things that are broken?
[22:51] <daftykins> might be the disk that's wonky :) either way i'd need a working network connection to check
[22:51] <daftykins> live session seems like the best approach yeah
[22:51] <kyjus25> So, is Mate pronounced similarly to the name "Mateo", or to the literal term Mate (as in a spouse)?
[22:51] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: let me get a usb put together
[22:53] <Finetunrda_> Alright guys, tty1 to 6 are showing blank screens. We've tried the answer here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/162535/why-does-switching-to-the-tty-give-me-a-blank-screen To no avail. Anyone got an idea?
[22:54] <skynetguy> hello i am having problems booting to 12.04lts it keeps sending me to login tty1
[22:54] <oddRaven> Finetunrda_, did you try the second answer? (it's more recent)
[22:55] <daftykins> skynetguy: kernel update? graphics driver update? one or both could've failed
[22:55] <EriC^^> skynetguy: ok, login to tty1 and type cat /proc/cmdline
[22:55] <Elsah> oddRaven: but he has an AMD card
[22:55] <daftykins> Finetunrda_: smells like fglrx
[22:55] <Elsah> from 2012 or something
[22:55] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: Alright I'm in a live session
[22:56] <Elsah> (assuming Finetunrda_ explained the situation a bit here. oy
[22:56] <daftykins> amazoniantoad: get it online and run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install smartmontools pastebinit" then "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | pastebinit" and link here
[22:56] <Elsah> It's my friend who can't see anything when doing ctrl+alt+f1 etc. He's using Kubuntu 15.04.
[22:56] <skynetguy> EriC^^, so login would be tty1 and password: cat /proc/cmdline
[22:56] <skynetguy> EriC^^, ???
[22:57] <EriC^^> skynetguy: no, login as usual
[22:57] <daftykins> Elsah: we don't really need two on the same issue :)
[22:57] <skynetguy> EriC^^, i tried login and name which is my  fullname and then password that didnt work
[22:58] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12627851/
[22:58] <daftykins> ah SSD.
[22:58] <EriC^^> skynetguy: ok, press ctrl+alt+del to reboot the pc, hold shift to get grub, then go to advanced > recovery
[22:58] <daftykins> amazoniantoad: check it's on the latest firmware
[22:58] <Elsah> daftykins: Well yeah, apologies, I just know why I disregarded the second answer on that page with the actual person who has the issue :)
[22:59] <daftykins> Elsah: :) i could tell it was AMD right off.
[22:59] <skynetguy> EriC^^, i dual boot so i automatically go to grub after advance recovery then what
[22:59] <Elsah> daftykins: Ah...
[22:59] <daftykins> their drivers often prevent TTYs being available
[22:59] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: how?
[22:59] <daftykins> amazoniantoad: well what system type is this again? like brand
[22:59] <EriC^^> skynetguy: press enable networking, then drop to root shell, and come on irc
[23:00] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: Sony vaio duo 11