[08:06] <tsdgeos> Saviq: no release? :/
[08:06] <Saviq> tsdgeos, your action branch conflicted and then I couldn't get anyone to reconfigure :|
[08:06] <Saviq> when I resubmitted as ~unity-team
[08:07] <Saviq> so yeah, that's pretty crap
[08:08] <tsdgeos> sorry :/
[08:08] <tsdgeos> what it conflicted with?
[08:08] <Saviq> tsdgeos, audioPlayer
[08:08] <tsdgeos> really?
[08:08] <tsdgeos> damn
[08:09] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, /// vs. //! apparently
[08:09] <tsdgeos> :/
[08:10] <Saviq> tsdgeos, but don't be sorry, that's what this system causes
[08:10] <Saviq> tsdgeos, that would be an advantage of the staging branch
[08:11] <tsdgeos> yeah
[08:11] <tsdgeos> why did we decide against it?
[08:11] <Saviq> more work than worth it
[08:12] <Saviq> tsdgeos, a solution would probably be to start pushing as ~unity-team instead
[08:12] <Saviq> tsdgeos, or well, not require a special person to be able to push a button...
[08:14] <tsdgeos> Saviq: well, pushing as ~unity-team doesn't solve much since it still needs someone to approve your branch, no?
[08:14] <tsdgeos> s/branch/change
[08:15] <Saviq> tsdgeos, no, 'cause there's no change in the CI train system
[08:15] <Saviq> tsdgeos, you just build again
[08:15] <Saviq> tsdgeos, reconfiguration is only needed when MPs change
[08:15] <Saviq> as in MP URL
[08:17] <tsdgeos> oki
[08:21] <Saviq> tsdgeos, could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/unity8-card-overlay/+merge/204790 please?
[08:22] <tsdgeos> sure
[08:22] <tsdgeos> about the build thing
[08:22] <tsdgeos> so what do we do?
[08:22] <tsdgeos> do i remerge my thing?
[08:22] <tsdgeos> approve yours?
[08:22] <tsdgeos> or?
[08:23] <tsdgeos> did you resubmit all the dependant branches on mine to depend on the new one?
[08:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I approved mine already, we just need to get someone to reconfigure the silo
[08:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, let me see if any dependant branches conflict
[08:24] <Saviq> there's only one
[08:32] <tsdgeos> ok
[08:32] <tsdgeos> Saviq: do we need to resubmit it for the prerequisite branch to be updated, or that's old stuff we don't need anymore in this silo approach?
[08:32] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, just did
[08:32] <Saviq> tsdgeos, prerequisite still helps to show the diff correctly
[08:33] <tsdgeos> ok
[08:33] <Saviq> tsdgeos, https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/new-preview/+merge/205297
[08:33] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so while it's not required, it's useful still
[08:34] <tsdgeos> ok
[08:36] <tsdgeos> done
[08:40] <Saviq> how THE FUCK is that a conflict http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6890078/
[08:41] <tsdgeos> criss cross
[08:41] <tsdgeos> merge with a different algorithm
[08:41] <tsdgeos> that's what we get for moving stuff around and merging it in weird orders
[08:41] <tsdgeos> it's a bit of sad
[08:42] <tsdgeos> but as said, without staging it's what we are doomed with :D
[08:42] <Saviq> yeah, problem is, will the train try --weave
[08:42] <tsdgeos> i guess that's a question for didrocks
[08:42] <Saviq> tsdgeos, your branch would probably merge with --weave fine, too
[08:43] <Saviq> /have merged
[08:43] <Saviq> oh maybe not
[08:43] <Saviq> there was an actual conflict there
[08:44] <Saviq> tsdgeos, anyway, I think staging is just more work, in the normal case we'd land every day, maybe two
[08:44] <Saviq> tsdgeos, and also I'd need a `pull` instead of `merge` there, I can't live with a history of "pull from staging"
[08:45] <tsdgeos> he he
[08:45] <tsdgeos> sure
[08:45] <tsdgeos> we just need to land every day :D
[08:45] <Saviq> tsdgeos, and we'd have to merge stuff manually into staging, keeping authors and commit messages... bleh
[08:45] <Saviq> tsdgeos, TBH what we really need is more control, and less waiting for didrocks to WAKE UP! ;P
[08:46] <tsdgeos> or that
[08:50] <tsdgeos> Saviq: readonly property var headerHeight: card.headerHeight ?
[08:50] <tsdgeos> why not an alias?
[08:50] <Saviq> tsdgeos, good question
[08:52] <Saviq> tsdgeos, fixed
[08:54] <tsdgeos> hmmmm
[08:54] <tsdgeos> otoh an alias is not readonly
[08:55] <tsdgeos> Saviq: can you also make it readonly? :D
[08:58] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I did
[08:58] <Saviq> tsdgeos, "upstream"
[08:59] <tsdgeos> ¿?
[08:59] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it's readonly in Card.qml
[08:59] <tsdgeos> ah
[08:59] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so if it's an alias in CardTool.qml, it's readonly there, too
[08:59] <tsdgeos> makes sense
[08:59] <tsdgeos> Saviq: shoudl that "gray" be Theme.palette.selected.backgroundText ?
[08:59] <Saviq> tsdgeos, maybe it makes sense to mark it readonly there, too, for doc purposes
[09:01] <Saviq> tsdgeos, did that ↑
[09:01] <Saviq> tsdgeos, if you branched, pull --overwrite
[09:02] <Saviq> tsdgeos, fixed color
[09:02] <tsdgeos> oki
[09:02] <Mirv> Saviq: hi. still row 42 reconfiguring needed I guess?
[09:03] <Saviq> Mirv, indeed :|
[09:03] <Mirv> Saviq: we had a team dinner so obviously no-one was looking at irc even from hotel room
[09:03] <Mirv> ok, doing
[09:03] <Saviq> Mirv, there's one more issue... we have a criss-cross there, do you know if it will try --weave?
[09:03] <tsdgeos> Saviq: no way to show the overlay in testXYZ or at least tryXYZ?
[09:04] <Saviq> tsdgeos, let me add
[09:05] <Mirv> Saviq: we'll find soon enough http://<IP_ADDRESS>/job/prepare-silo/73/console
[09:05] <Saviq> tsdgeos, pushed
[09:05] <Saviq> Mirv, thanks
[09:05] <Mirv> Saviq: I don't see 'weave' in the sources at least
[09:06] <Saviq> Mirv, do you know what to do with the branches to fix it?
[09:06] <Saviq> ok let's see (/me doesn't have high hopes ;( http://<IP_ADDRESS>/job/landing-004-1-build/11/console)
[09:07] <Mirv> Saviq: not offhand, but let's see and we should have didrocks woken up soon hopefully (7 minutes late! :)
[09:08] <Saviq> !!
[09:11] <Saviq> tsdgeos, added a test case, too
[09:11] <Saviq> tsdgeos, sorry for this not being really-ready ;)
[09:11] <Mirv> Saviq: darn
[09:12] <Saviq> Mirv, yeah :|
[09:12] <Mirv> Saviq: so I guess it does bzr merge after another, in the order of branches, so that should be tweaked to succeed
[09:12] <Mirv> Saviq: or, we'd need a feature to use '--weave'
[09:12] <Saviq> Mirv, the last branch has the second-to-last as prerequisite, so the order can't be changed there
[09:13] <Saviq> Mirv, so yeah, we need --weave (maybe with a job param, but yeah...)
[09:14] <Saviq> if only we could have rebase...
[09:16] <Mirv> didrocks: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6890228/
[09:20] <didrocks> Saviq: I think we don't wait weave merge for every merge though, right?
[09:22] <didrocks> "Bazaar no longer uses weaves by default, because they were found to have poor performance and could not provide append-only guarantees."
[09:22] <didrocks> so, not sure we want that for everything
[09:23] <didrocks> and if we add an option to build, it will be for every merges in the set
[09:23] <Saviq> didrocks, oh no, but maybe if a merge fails, it will try remerge with --weave?
[09:23] <didrocks> Saviq: do you think it will be something that everyone would wait?
[09:23] <didrocks> like first merge
[09:23] <didrocks> if fail, -> merge --weave?
[09:23] <Saviq> didrocks, yeah, I think option would be good enough
[09:24] <Saviq> didrocks, with a clear message in the log or so
[09:24] <Saviq> didrocks, and maybe only if criss-cross is detected (if possible)
[09:25] <didrocks> hum
[09:25] <didrocks> not sure if I can get some easy info about criss-cross
[09:25] <didrocks> Saviq: do you have the branches so that I can play and see?
[09:26] <didrocks> Saviq: meanwhile, I think you will have to rebase, if possible :/
[09:26]  * sil2100 looks into that in source
[09:27] <Saviq> didrocks, row 42 in CI train
[09:27] <Saviq> didrocks, the last two I think
[09:27]  * Saviq checks
[09:28] <Saviq> didrocks, rebase... not like that's something easy in bzr :/
[09:29] <didrocks> Saviq: you have a plugin
[09:29] <Saviq> didrocks, discontinued and unsupported... never had any luck with it...
[09:29] <didrocks> oh, worked pretty good for me
[09:30]  * Saviq tries, then
[09:30]  * Saviq generally doesn't seem to have much luck with bzr... bisect never worked, either...
[09:31]  * didrocks didn't try bisect for a while
[09:33] <Saviq> didrocks, rebase → first commit, full of conflicts, files lost, MAYHEM
[09:35] <seb128> Saviq, you are doing it wrong!
[09:35]  * seb128 hides
[09:35] <Saviq> seb128, probably
[09:35] <seb128> Saviq, sorry, friday, troll day, all that ... happy friday! how are you?
[09:36] <Saviq> seb128, sad atm, can't land since yesterday evening :(
[09:36] <seb128> :-(
[09:36] <Saviq> ok, let's see, something rebased
[09:40] <tsdgeos> Saviq: cool looking overlay!
[09:40] <Saviq> tsdgeos, /me happy
[09:41] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i don't know much/anything about shaders though
[09:41] <tsdgeos> so i'll just assume the shader works because it does work
[09:41] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it's pretty simple - the vertex shader is just the default
[09:41] <Saviq> tsdgeos, i.e. no modification
[09:41] <tsdgeos> and the other multiplies
[09:41] <Saviq> tsdgeos, the other applies the images' opacity on black
[09:41] <tsdgeos> sure i can see that
[09:41] <Saviq> tsdgeos, that it
[09:41] <tsdgeos> i just don't have a clue if it can be made faster/better
[09:42] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ah well
[09:42] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it's temporary anyway
[09:42] <Saviq> hum conflict in tst_Indicators.qml, that's weird
[09:42] <tsdgeos> Saviq: dednick changed lots of stuff in indicators
[09:43] <tsdgeos> maybe it didn't play well together
[09:43] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, but I'm rebasing
[09:43] <tsdgeos> ah
[09:43] <tsdgeos> Saviq: so your card CI didn't succeed
[09:43] <Saviq> tsdgeos, neither branch should be touching it...
[09:43] <tsdgeos> but it's obviously not related to your change
[09:43] <Saviq> tsdgeos, autopilot?
[09:43] <tsdgeos> checklist-approve anyway
[09:43] <tsdgeos> yeah
[09:45] <Saviq> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6890343/
[09:45] <Saviq> WTF
[09:46] <dednick> weird. spacing?
[09:46] <dednick> on end.?
[09:48] <Saviq> dednick, no, whitespace would've complained
[09:49] <Saviq> anyway, no, that rebase isn't happening
[09:59]  * Saviq went for manual rebase
[09:59]  * Saviq crosses fingers http://<IP_ADDRESS>/job/landing-004-1-build/12/console
[09:59]  * sil2100 crosses fingers as well
[10:05] <Saviq> \o/
[10:05] <tsdgeos> \o/
[10:05] <Saviq> in your FACE, bzr
[10:08] <sil2100> HA
[10:08] <sil2100> Saviq: good work!
[10:08] <sil2100> ;)
[10:21] <Saviq> sil2100, Mirv, can you please reconfigure row 42 again? just added one more MP that can land
[10:24] <sil2100> Saviq: ok, will do
[10:29] <sil2100> Saviq: ok, reconfigured, re-build
[10:30] <Saviq> sil2100, thanks!
[10:40] <tsdgeos> Saviq: so looking at cardheader <-> previewheader
[10:41] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yup?
[10:41] <tsdgeos> the json specifies emblem and attribute-x
[10:41] <tsdgeos> that cardheader doesn't have ¿yet?
[10:47] <tsdgeos> Saviq: so ignore those attribs for the moment? or?
[10:48] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah
[10:48] <tsdgeos> okidoki
[11:00] <Saviq> karni, hey, rebased title alignment on trunk, but I believe it's reversed: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/header-alignment/+merge/205334
[11:01] <Saviq> karni, it should always be Left-aligned in horizontal, sometimes center-aligned in vertical, no?
[11:09]  * tsdgeos kicks launchpad
[11:09] <tsdgeos> so https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/new-preview tells me there's 1 branch that depends on that one
[11:09] <tsdgeos> but then the link says none
[11:09] <tsdgeos> aaaaaaaa
[11:09] <tsdgeos> Saviq: do you know what comes after that one?
[11:11] <Saviq> tsdgeos, card-overlay, no?
[11:11] <Saviq> hmm no
[11:14] <Mirv> Saviq: ok, looks positive you'll have a landing PPA to run tests from soonish? built for armhf now :)
[11:16] <Saviq> Mirv, yeah
[11:30]  * Saviq TestPlans
[11:49] <sil2100> jamesh: hello!
[11:49] <sil2100> jamesh: are you around? I have some problems with the new mediascanner
[12:06] <tsdgeos> Saviq: cardheader doesn't define width nor implicitwidth, that ok?
[12:10] <sil2100> mhr3: hi!
[12:10] <mhr3> sil2100, hey
[12:10] <sil2100> mhr3: you in the office today?
[12:10] <mhr3> sil2100, on my way there
[12:10] <mhr3> sil2100, btw did you see my libunity landing request?
[12:10] <sil2100> mhr3: I'll snatch you once you appear, since I see jamesh seems to be away, and I don't see Satoris as well
[12:11] <mhr3> sil2100, satoris in on #canonical
[12:11] <sil2100> mhr3: poke robru for that today - he's doing most landings now as part of practicing ;)
[12:11] <sil2100> mhr3: oh, ok, I'll poke him there as well, but you'll be poked as well
[12:11] <sil2100> In person
[12:12] <sil2100> Since we have a big regression related to mediascanner
[12:12] <sil2100> And its scope
[12:12] <mhr3> sil2100, hmm?
[12:12] <mhr3> sil2100, i was testing that yesterday it seemed fine
[12:13] <mhr3> sil2100, anyway, will be there in ~30
[12:13] <sil2100> mhr3: yeah, so... it's something that's happening only on newest images, since after the release of unity-scopes-mediascanner and mediascanner2 the grilo plugin for mediascanner got dropped
[12:13] <sil2100> mhr3: so, basically the music-app stopped working
[12:13] <sil2100> mhr3: like, completely
[12:14] <mhr3> sil2100, it shouldn't have been dropped if music-app deps on it
[12:14] <sil2100> mhr3: also, I noticed a packaging problem I guess
[12:14] <mhr3> sil2100, but the scopes dont
[12:14] <sil2100> mhr3: I don't think it does, it's a click app and I'm not really into how click apps deal with deps
[12:14] <mhr3> they don't afaik
[12:15] <sil2100> mhr3: yeah, so basically the scopes dropped the dependency and now we don't have grilo anymore
[12:15] <sil2100> mhr3: it's not being used in either the new and old mediascanner scope?
[12:15] <sil2100> (like, at all?)
[12:15] <mhr3> sil2100, no, the scopes (both old and new) use mediascanner2
[12:16] <mhr3> that doesn't do grilo
[12:16] <sil2100> mhr3: ok, but we still need the old mediascanner for music-app then, right? Those two can still run in parallel?
[12:16] <mhr3> sil2100, yes
[12:17] <mhr3> sil2100, but music-app will also transition to mediascanner2 at some point
[12:17] <mhr3> then we'll drop the whole mediascanner1 + grilo
[12:17] <sil2100> mhr3: ok then, so I guess we can either add grilo-mediascanner to the seed to fix it, or simply add a quick dependency to mediascanner to fetch grilo-mediascanner
[12:17] <sil2100> mhr3: right, but for now we need to fix the image ;)
[12:17] <sil2100> mhr3: but thanks for the info
[12:24] <sil2100> mhr3: ok, so we decided to seed the grilo plugin in the meantime, so it's being done ;)
[12:24] <sil2100> mhr3: so no action required from you, thanks for clearing things up
[12:25] <tsdgeos> Cimi: Saviq: this one shall be easy https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/preview_header/+merge/205354
[12:25] <mhr3> sil2100, good decision :)
[12:29] <Cimi> tsdgeos, one extra new line on tests, after imports :)
[12:29] <tsdgeos> and probably too many imports
[12:30] <Cimi> tsdgeos, tests could have something more maybe?
[12:30] <Cimi> but card header is already tested though
[12:31] <tsdgeos> Cimi: yeah the only thing i am testing is my code
[12:38] <tsdgeos> Cimi: fixed
[12:59] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it should implicitHeight, yes
[12:59] <Saviq> tsdgeos, the widget, that is, yeah - what you did
[13:00] <Saviq> tsdgeos, header itself has explicit height
[13:00] <mhr3> sil2100, if you still need, i'm here
[13:00] <Saviq> tsdgeos, 127	+ function test_something() { a better name maybe?
[13:09] <Saviq> tsdgeos, actually, it should be explicit height for the widget, too, no? i.e. the header doesn't really adapt when its height is changed
[13:33] <karni> o/
[13:52] <karni> Saviq: am I sleepy, or tryCardTool shows 11 cases in the drop down, while source contians 15 cases for that dropdown.
[13:52] <Saviq> karni, there's a gazillion of branches, which one? ;)
[13:53] <karni> Saviq: sorry, the one you rebased https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/header-alignment/+merge/205334
[13:53] <karni> I fixed what you suggested (yeah.. that indeed was reversed) and wanted to inspect that visually as well
[13:53] <Saviq> karni, just swipe ;)
[13:55] <karni> NACK. First one for me is "art, header, summary", last one is "art, header - portrait"
[13:55] <karni> I can see the full list from top to bottom
[13:55] <karni> FTR my network is a bit laggy
[13:57] <karni> let me rebuild this
[13:57] <karni> I think that's my problem
[13:57] <karni> Saviq: ignore me for now.
[13:57] <Saviq> karni, ;)
[14:00] <karni> tsdgeos: if you'd review this related branch as well, we'd have slick overlay both in trunk and new-scopes https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/newscopes-card-overlay/+merge/205359
[14:00]  * karni sets description
[14:02] <karni> done
[14:08] <tsdgeos> Saviq: fixed
[14:09] <Saviq> tsdgeos, cheers
[14:14] <Cimi> Saviq, I'm writing the style for rating component, and I realised styleItem works even if I don't import Ubuntu.Components in the delegate file... why?
[14:15] <Saviq> Cimi, it's probably the one from external scope
[14:15] <Saviq> if your whole chain of parents won't have Ubuntu.Components, it won't be there
[14:17] <tsdgeos> wooo, my hud-service went crazy
[14:17]  * tsdgeos kills it
[14:17] <tsdgeos> better
[14:18] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: can you reproduce that?
[14:18] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: I am desperate to find a way
[14:18] <tsdgeos> first time it happens
[14:18] <pete-woods> I've a report that sublimetext can send the new HUD into an infinite loop
[14:19] <tsdgeos> not using that
[14:19] <tsdgeos> i was using firefox, kate, kontact
[14:19] <tsdgeos> the same stuff i have open all the time
[14:19] <mhr3> mhall119, you forgot about me :(
[14:20] <pete-woods> okay, thanks, I'll try running those
[14:20] <tsdgeos> but had never had this 100% before
[14:20] <tsdgeos> so it must not be because of them
[14:20] <tsdgeos> i notice when the laptop fan spins :D
[14:20] <pete-woods> okay, fair point, but still :)
[14:20] <mhall119> mhr3: I could never forget you
[14:21] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: anything you want me to do if it happens a next time?
[14:21] <mhall119> (where/how did I forget you?)
[14:21] <mhr3> mhall119, no new scopes docs
[14:21] <mhall119> oh, right, docs
[14:22] <mhall119> mhr3: I'm going to blame the hotel wifi and claim that I didn't forget :)
[14:22] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: if you could try and get a stacktrace out of it, that would be very helpful
[14:22] <mhr3> mhall119, and i'll *almost* believe you
[14:22] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: ok, will do if it happens again, sorry to have been to trigger fast killing it
[14:22] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: no worries
[14:23] <pete-woods> even better would be a reproducable way to cause the loop
[14:23] <pete-woods> :)
[14:23] <pete-woods> I realise that would be making my job far too easy, though
[14:23] <mhr3> mhall119, if you said that the sun in florida melted your enter, that would be more believable :)
[14:23] <tsdgeos> karni: i'm a bit confused about that MR
[14:23] <tsdgeos> it wants to merge to lp:~unity-team/unity8/new-scopes but has a branch that wants to merge to lp:unity8 as pre-requisite ¿?
[14:24]  * karni looks
[14:24] <Cimi> Saviq, I started working on the textSummary branch, but I didn't merge there the latest changes of audioPlayer, so when I set textSummary as prerequisite I don't have the right diff on lp https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/units8.previews_RatingStars/+merge/205370
[14:25] <karni> tsdgeos: Correct. Saviq helped me out pull as much as we could into trunk, so this change is specific to new-scopes, but does require the other branch to be merged to unity8 trunk first.
[14:25] <karni> tsdgeos: These are the new-scopes specific overlay bits.
[14:26] <mhall119> mhr3: uploading now...
[14:26] <tsdgeos> karni: i don't understand how does it matter what is in unity8 since new-scopes is a different branch
[14:27] <mhr3> mhall119, thx
[14:27] <karni> tsdgeos: in my understanding new-scopes is unity8 with only set of changes required to enable new scopes UI/toolkit.
[14:27] <tsdgeos> yes
[14:27] <karni> tsdgeos: when we work on dash toolkit, we do as much as we can in trunk, and as little as we can in new scopes
[14:28] <tsdgeos> ok, maybe it's different understanding of "prerequiste" branches
[14:28] <karni> because trunk does not contain CardFilterGrid and CardCarousel
[14:28] <tsdgeos> for me a prerequisite is "something that you need landed before you land this one"
[14:28] <karni> tsdgeos: I still believe the other merge to trunk is required for this merge to go smooth.
[14:28]  * karni looks
[14:28] <tsdgeos> ok
[14:29] <karni> tsdgeos: give me a sec please
[14:29] <tsdgeos> sure
[14:30] <mhall119> mhr3: check the docs and let me know if your new stuff is there
[14:30] <mhall119> mhr3: it would be nice if you could write a parser for your docs to push them to the new API website on your own
[14:30] <mhr3> mhall119, yep, it is, thx
[14:31] <mhr3> mhall119, i might get to that... in 2015
[14:31] <mhall119> :-P
[14:31] <mhall119> but it's easy
[14:32] <mhall119> I even made a nice python library for you
[14:32] <mhall119> s/nice/functional/
[14:32] <mhr3> can't it be both? :)
[14:34] <karni> tsdgeos: unity8-card-overlay (being merged to unity8 trunk) defines property bool showHeader in qml/Dash/Card.qml, which is then used in new-scopes. My bad, please don't review the other branch now. We'll first get the trunk one merged, we'll merge changes from trunk to new-scopes, and only then we'll approve the MR I sent over into new-scopes.
[14:34] <karni> tsdgeos: Now I understand the flow Saviq usually executes when there are related changes to trunk and new-scopes.
[14:35] <tsdgeos> oki
[14:35] <karni> first merge to trunk, then merge trunk to new-scopes, only then approve and merge related branches into new-scopes
[14:35] <karni> tsdgeos: unless, you want to review it, but not top-approve it yet. that'd be the same thing, basically.
[14:35] <mhall119> mhr3: it can be, if it was written by somebody with more talent than me :)
[14:35] <karni> You're fresh on the subject, as you just reviewed the trunk one
[14:36] <mhall119> mhr3: I just have a bad habit of re-inventing Django's model objects for any given python project
[14:37] <mhall119> but in this case it makes sense, because it's talking directly with Django models on the server-side
[14:40] <tvoss> mzanetti, ping
[14:40] <mzanetti> tvoss: hi
[14:42] <elopio> ping mterry: I have the test passing, without depending on the calendar
[14:43] <mterry> elopio, calendar?
[14:43] <elopio> sorry, still early. s/calendar/camera
[14:43] <elopio> I'm wondering if we want this test in unity8, because to make it work we need the real application manager.
[14:48] <karni> Saviq: pushed fix to https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/header-alignment/+merge/205334 . All tests pass, but the problem appears when you switch card layouts more than once in testCardTool. "Title - horizontal" > "Title - vertical" > "Title - horizontal" boom Card height undefine., no card displayed.
[14:54] <tsdgeos> oh god
[14:54] <tsdgeos> someone did add the automagically creating setters and getters for QPROPERTIES
[14:54] <tsdgeos> \o/
[14:54] <tsdgeos> at last :D
[14:55] <karni> wohoo
[14:56] <tsdgeos> https://plus.google.com/117221897452321521192/posts/hZQDDnwduhs
[14:57] <Cimi> tsdgeos, help with rating widget? from the json, I don't understand which are the data I get
[14:58] <tsdgeos> let me see
[14:59] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: nice" that is awesome!
[14:59] <tsdgeos> Cimi: which one are you doing? "rating-input" ?
[15:00] <Cimi> tsdgeos, I currently just worked on the rating widget under COmponents
[15:00] <MacSlow> greyback, hey... can you make it to the hangout?
[15:01] <Saviq> elopio, hey, do you have a maguro?
[15:01] <tsdgeos> Cimi: ok, so i didn't understand your question :D
[15:01] <elopio> Saviq: I don't.
[15:02] <elopio> but I know people. What do you need?
[15:02] <tsdgeos> mhr3: ping?
[15:02] <mhr3> tsdgeos, sup
[15:02] <Saviq> elopio, http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/ we're getting some apparently random ap failures on maguro
[15:02] <tsdgeos> mhr3: so how do we do progress reporting for "type": "progress" ?
[15:02] <Cimi> tsdgeos, but I was expecting a rating bar
[15:02] <Cimi> tsdgeos, not input and review
[15:03] <mhr3> tsdgeos, there's some progress provider thing
[15:03] <Cimi> tsdgeos, it looks like we're missing that widget in the spec
[15:03] <tsdgeos> Cimi: the rating bar is part of the header i think
[15:03] <Cimi> tsdgeos, scope like IMDB won't feature single reviews
[15:03] <mhr3> tsdgeos, it's used by the app preview
[15:03] <mhr3> tsdgeos, the old one
[15:03] <elopio> Saviq: robotfuel and davmor2 have maguros. Any of you have some time to try to reproduce them?
[15:03] <Saviq> elopio, one of them was in the emulators tests, another in hud, will have to check it out then
[15:03] <Saviq> elopio, davmor2 was already looking into it
[15:04] <davmor2> elopio: tests are rerunning now :)
[15:04] <robotfuel> Saviq: elopio can try to reproduce on a maguro, if you need me to
[15:05] <tsdgeos> mhr3: com.canonical.applications.Downloader ?
[15:05] <elopio> Saviq: yeah, I saw the error they mentioned on the open scope test I added. Without a maguro or a video of the run, it's really hard to understand what's going on. The log says autopilot tried the drag correctly.
[15:05] <Saviq> elopio, indeed
[15:05] <tsdgeos> mhr3: but that's too specific, no?
[15:05] <mhr3> tsdgeos, yea, that thing
[15:05] <elopio> robotfuel: thanks, but it seems davmor2 is way ahead.
[15:06] <robotfuel> ack :D
[15:06] <mhr3> tsdgeos, we didn't really define much what's the data for that widget
[15:06] <mhr3> tsdgeos, see....
[15:06] <tsdgeos> mhr3: i know, but if we need to code it ... :D
[15:06] <mhr3> tsdgeos, http://people.canonical.com/~mhr3/unity-scopes-api/classunity_1_1scopes_1_1_preview_widget.html#progress
[15:06] <tsdgeos> mhr3: maybe that name should come as part of the json too?
[15:08] <tsdgeos> mhr3: i can't edit the json document, so it would be "source": ["dbus-name" : "somename", "dbus-object": "somestring" ]; instead of "source": null , yes?
[15:11] <Cimi> tsdgeos, ?
[15:11] <Saviq> karni, mhr3, tsdgeos, merged everything into lp:unity-team/unity8/new-scopes
[15:11] <Saviq> karni, tsdgeos, so reviews of https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/new-scopes/+activereviews can be done again
[15:11] <tsdgeos> Cimi: which ratings are you speaking about?
[15:12] <tsdgeos> Cimi: i.e. do you have a design so we can we sure we're speaking about the same thing :D
[15:12] <karni> ack
[15:13]  * karni tries to reproduce with a test the problem in tryCardTool in header-alignment branch
[15:14] <karni> Ironically, when using tryCardTool, problem is obvious, but from the test (by setting the drop down selector) test passes, when it should fail.
[15:20] <Cimi> tsdgeos, get my branch
[15:20] <Cimi> tsdgeos, well, I have design in mind
[15:20] <Cimi> didn't check specs
[15:21] <Cimi> ah I see
[15:21] <Cimi> basically rate this
[15:21] <Cimi> tsdgeos, Saviq putting just an icon of a star with a label (4.9) means nothing
[15:22] <Cimi> in the header
[15:22] <Cimi> you need a visual clue of the range
[15:22] <Cimi> otherwise you put %
[15:22] <karni> Saviq: FTR whenever you have a moment - can't make this use case fail from code, left a comment on branch. clearly it fails when run manually on tryCardTool https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/header-alignment/+merge/205334
[15:22] <tsdgeos> Cimi: talk to design :)
[15:22] <Cimi> so the range is per cent
[15:22] <Cimi> tsdgeos, we need to add 5 if we want to turn 4.9 meaningful
[15:22] <Cimi> so 4.9 / 5
[15:23] <Cimi> 4.9 could be super crap if it's out of 10 or great if itos out of 5
[15:23] <mhr3> tsdgeos, well, it really depends on the progress indicator, i guess the only one ew have now is dbus-based, but basically we were saying in the spec that we don't care, whatever the progress provider requires should be there
[15:24] <mhr3> tsdgeos, s/indicator/provider/
[15:25] <tsdgeos> mhr3: not sure i understand you, you mean that you don't want to spec the dbus names?
[15:26] <mhr3> tsdgeos, we should support multiple types of progress indication, the dbus-based is just one of them
[15:27] <mhr3> tsdgeos, although the only one atm
[15:27] <tsdgeos> mhr3: ok, but still we should spec them all, no?
[15:28] <mhr3> tsdgeos, right, the thing is that what they need can change independently of scopes or the shell
[15:28] <tsdgeos> mhr3: so how is the shell going to automagically adapt?
[15:29] <mhr3> tsdgeos, what's why the spec says "whatever the provider needs"
[15:29] <tsdgeos> i mean eventually
[15:30] <tsdgeos> we need to do code to do stuff
[15:30] <tsdgeos> if that code has unknown input
[15:30] <tsdgeos> that's kind of hard to achieve
[15:34] <Cimi> tsdgeos, but even then
[15:35] <Cimi> tsdgeos, the json how is supposed to set the value?
[15:35] <tsdgeos> Cimi: can you show me the design we're talking about?
[15:36] <Cimi> tsdgeos, https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1n880Fih5KyGPcoP5chidnHDG_8TxXUgSuij7f4rHpuk/edit#heading=h.c86ldo7kh1u
[15:36] <Cimi> https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1NmiM4UCnJgf6IEawmfyTOHRNAA5ZGrqpyrPqPOibwc8/edit
[15:36] <tsdgeos> Cimi: so the header?
[15:36] <Cimi> tsdgeos, no, rating input
[15:37] <tsdgeos> it's input
[15:37] <tsdgeos> you don't get anything
[15:37] <tsdgeos> you set it
[15:37] <tsdgeos> no?
[15:37] <Cimi> tsdgeos, ok, but then this widget needs a way to set the new input, no?
[15:37] <tsdgeos> Cimi: the triggered signal with some stuff in the data variable
[15:37] <tsdgeos> i'd say
[15:40] <Cimi> tsdgeos, so I have to add a signal?
[15:41] <Cimi> tsdgeos, currently, rating has no signal, just you use the property value
[15:46] <tsdgeos> Cimi: previewidget has a signal
[16:04] <karni> Saviq: If you have something I could bite today, feel free to hit me. Previews are the last bit we care about, and it's my last day at the sprint, so whatever you have, happy to join effort.
[16:05] <Saviq> karni, lp:~saviq/unity8/newscopes-new-dash-look
[16:05] <Saviq> karni, run it in actual unity (not the dev tool)
[16:05]  * Saviq pushes to ~unity-team
[16:06] <elopio> mterry, Saviq, mzanetti: so what do you think about https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/unity8/url-dispatcher_test/+merge/205037 ?
[16:06] <elopio> should we merge it even if it uses the real unity-mir ?
[16:07] <Saviq> elopio, IMO ap tests are integration tests, so they should use the real thing, so I'm good - but obviously you need to disable it for desktop scenarios
[16:08] <Cimi> tsdgeos, which signal?
[16:08] <tsdgeos> Cimi: see the actionpreviewwidget branch
[16:08] <tsdgeos> we need to land all that crap :D
[16:09] <mhr3> Saviq, we seem to have lost the new-scopes preview integration branch
[16:09] <mhr3> any idea where did it go?
[16:09] <karni> Saviq: ack
[16:10] <tsdgeos> Cimi: this signal https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/action_preview_widget/+merge/205232
[16:10] <tsdgeos> mhr3: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/newscopes-preview/+merge/205029 ?
[16:10] <Cimi> tsdgeos, just land those!
[16:10] <elopio> Saviq: ok. It's disabled for desktop.
[16:10] <Cimi> we have deps of deps
[16:11] <tsdgeos> Cimi: well if our tests weren't that unstable, that'd be done ages ago
[16:11] <mterry> elopio, your test got fancy!
[16:11] <mterry> elopio, real unity-mir is better, yeah
[16:11] <Saviq> mhr3, huh https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/newscopes-preview/+merge/205029 ?
[16:12] <Saviq> mhr3, but it'll be in new-scopes itself soon
[16:12] <Saviq> mhr3, and in demo-stuff, then
[16:16] <mhr3> Saviq, ah, wip, that's why i didn't see it
[16:16] <mhr3> how come https://code.launchpad.net/unity8 doesn't list it?
[16:17] <mhr3> right... because i'm blind
[16:17] <elopio> mterry: and just wait for the python-fixtures to start landing in ubuntu-ui-toolkit, it's going to shine :)
[16:17] <mterry> :)
[16:19] <karni> brb reboot
[16:28] <karni> Saviq: run that branch  with ./run ?
[16:28] <karni> Is that what you meant?
[16:28] <Saviq> karni, yes
[16:29] <Saviq> karni, we need to change text colours
[16:29] <karni> Saviq: I did. fonts are white on light background
[16:29] <Saviq> karni, yeah, that's what needs fixing
[16:29] <karni> wait, I'm sure it was fixed somewhere already
[16:29] <karni> I did see it look right before, with the light background.
[16:29] <karni> on it
[16:30] <tsdgeos> elopio: is _open_scope_scrolling yours?
[16:30] <tsdgeos> in dash.py?
[16:31] <elopio> tsdgeos: and yours ;)
[16:31] <tsdgeos> sure
[16:31] <tsdgeos> elopio: there's a bug
[16:31] <tsdgeos> moving doesn't do what you think it does
[16:31] <tsdgeos> and that is why https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/autopilot-testrunner-otto-trusty/2656/testReport/junit/unity8.shell.tests.test_emulators/DashAppsEmulatorTestCase/test_get_details_Desktop_Nexus_10_/ fails sometimes
[16:31] <elopio> interesting.
[16:31] <tsdgeos> moving is "vertically moving", not horizontally moving
[16:31] <karni> wtf.. I'm having unity7 rendering issues ://
[16:32] <karni> makes it hard to work
[16:32] <elopio> tsdgeos: is there a horizontally moving?
[16:32] <tsdgeos> elopio: thinking about it
[16:32] <tsdgeos> elopio: we way need to resort to testing the x as we did somewhere
[16:33] <tsdgeos> or let me check
[16:33]  * elopio fires up the vis.
[16:33] <tsdgeos> actually yes
[16:33] <Saviq> tsdgeos, karni, mhr3, newscopes-preview merged into new-scopes, too
[16:34] <karni> \o/
[16:34] <Saviq> so quality of new-scopes just went drastically down
[16:34] <Saviq> but at least everything's in one place
[16:34] <karni> :D
[16:34] <tsdgeos> elopio: what we want is moving but on dashContentList not on the scope
[16:34] <tsdgeos> elopio: since the scope is verticall and dashContentList is the horizontal one
[16:34] <tsdgeos> elopio: am i making sense?
[16:34] <elopio> tsdgeos: you are, yes.
[16:34] <elopio> let me see how can I get that element.
[16:35] <tsdgeos> elopio: do you think you can code that? i think it'll be faster if you do it than if i do, my autopilot+python foo is not very food
[16:35] <tsdgeos> goof
[16:35] <tsdgeos> good
[16:35] <mhr3> Saviq, it enables further dev, so +1
[16:35] <elopio> tsdgeos: yes, I'm trying.
[16:35] <Saviq> mhr3, yeah, why I did it exactly
[16:36] <tsdgeos> elopio: cool
[16:36] <mhr3> Saviq, re-building demo ppa
[16:36] <elopio> tsdgeos: and just for future reference, how can I know if the moving is vertical or horizontal? It's not clear to me as I can move the scope in both directions.
[16:37] <mhr3> thostr_, ^^ previews hooked up soon in demo ppa's unity8 (+scope-tool)
[16:37] <tsdgeos> elopio: let me rephrase
[16:37] <tsdgeos> moving is moving
[16:37] <tsdgeos> amazing skills i have here :D
[16:37] <tsdgeos> elopio: basically the dash is listviews inside listvides
[16:37] <tsdgeos> so there is an external one that is horizontal
[16:37] <tsdgeos> and that external one, contains one listview per scope that is vertical
[16:38] <tsdgeos> so it's not that moving is vertical
[16:38] <mhr3> Saviq, also, i have a branch with addSpecialCategory, wanna try it out?
[16:38] <tsdgeos> is that the moving for the listview you are testing is the vertical listview
[16:38] <tsdgeos> and we have to test the moving for the horizontal one
[16:38] <tsdgeos> elopio: ↑↑↑ making sense?
[16:40] <elopio> tsdgeos: yes yes, I also made a poor question :)
[16:40] <elopio> so, the thing is that I need to wait for the list I'm moving.
[16:40] <elopio> a container might have moving = False even if one of its elements have moving=True.
[16:40] <elopio> that's good to know.
[16:41] <tsdgeos> it could yes
[16:41] <tsdgeos> note that in this case is the other way around
[16:41] <tsdgeos> you're testing for the inner thing and that one is not moving
[16:41] <tsdgeos> what is moving is the outer thing
[16:41] <tsdgeos> well the inner thing is being moved
[16:41] <tsdgeos> but not moving itself
[16:41] <elopio> oh, right.
[16:41] <tsdgeos> the naming is not amazing
[16:42] <tsdgeos> moving == scrolling || overshooting
[16:42] <tsdgeos> that makes it easier to understand i guess
[16:42] <tsdgeos> moving != "travelling around" on your parent
[16:42] <elopio> tsdgeos: it's clear, thanks :)
[16:43] <elopio> it's really bad that we don't have a good way to actually test this. I would need to slow down the animations.
[16:44] <tsdgeos> you could do that
[16:44] <tsdgeos> i guess
[16:44] <tsdgeos> or maybe not
[16:44] <tsdgeos> elopio: yeah it's a problem with these kind of tests
[16:44] <tsdgeos> but if you look at the video of the failure closely
[16:45] <tsdgeos> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/autopilot-testrunner-otto-trusty/2656/artifact/results/autopilot/artifacts/unity8.shell.tests.test_emulators.DashAppsEmulatorTestCase.test_get_details%20%28Desktop%20Nexus%2010%29.ogv
[16:45] <elopio> tsdgeos: where did you get a video from?
[16:45] <tsdgeos> you'll see it's clearly that isue
[16:45] <tsdgeos> issue
[16:45] <elopio> oh, it's failing on trusty too, I thought it was only maguro.
[16:45] <tsdgeos> the mouse moves and tries to click before the moving is done
[16:45] <tsdgeos> and ends up in the wrong place
[16:46] <karni> saldkfjlsadkj why doesn't this list colors http://design.ubuntu.com/apps/style/typography
[16:46] <elopio> davmor2, Saviq ^
[16:47] <karni> I lost the link to Ubuntu Theme colors on d.u.c
[16:47] <elopio> thanks to tsdgeos I now know what to fix.
[16:47] <tsdgeos> elopio: not really sure that one is the same than http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/maguro/167:20140206.1:20140115.1/6480/unity8-autopilot/741839/
[16:47] <tsdgeos> but may be
[16:48] <tsdgeos> the hud one, sadly, no clue
[16:49] <Saviq> elopio, tsdgeos, thanks, that makes some sense
[16:49] <Saviq> and on that note...
[16:49] <Saviq> or well, bombshell
[16:49] <Saviq> o/
[16:49] <Saviq> be back on the 17th
[16:49] <tsdgeos> enjoy!
[16:50] <tsdgeos> elopio: i'm going to EOD soon, do you have anyone to review that potential patch in your timezone (you're americas based, right?)
[16:50] <elopio> tsdgeos: yes. Lets see... mterry?
[16:50] <mterry> elopio, sure, I can do that today
[16:50] <tsdgeos> that should work
[16:55] <davmor2> elopio: ah nice does that mean you can test fro a fix there and then I can confirm on maguro?
[16:55] <Cimi> tsdgeos, in oreviewactions you imported qtquick 2.1
[16:55] <Cimi> *previewactions
[16:56] <Cimi> tsdgeos, why that?
[16:56] <tsdgeos> Cimi: for no reason really
[16:57] <tsdgeos> i think we should be importing 2.1 everywhere
[16:57] <tsdgeos> Cimi: i could change it to 2.0
[16:57] <tsdgeos> but let's just leave it
[16:57] <elopio> davmor2: more or less, I can't make a proper test atm as I don't know how to keep the list moving.
[16:57] <tsdgeos> or it'll create a massive cris cros again in the merges
[16:58] <karni> tsdgeos: I used "grey" in CardHeader.qml as text color. Saviq changed it to theme color, Theme.palette.selected.backgroundText, which is white. And we have light background in new-scopes. That means, the Theme does not contain a color we can use in stead of "grey".
[16:58] <karni> tsdgeos: Your take on this?
[16:58] <elopio> bad news, this can't be the same maguro problem.
[16:58] <elopio> tsdgeos, davmor2.
[16:59] <karni> tsdgeos: basically, Ubuntu.Components.Themes.Palette would need to be updated for new-scopes.
[17:00] <tsdgeos> elopio: oh :/
[17:00] <tsdgeos> elopio: why not?
[17:00] <tsdgeos> karni: yes, Saviq was hinting that on our mumble chat
[17:00] <elopio> tsdgeos: on the scroll we have self.dash_content_list.currentIndex.wait_for(original_index + 1), and that's what's failing on maguro.
[17:00] <tsdgeos> karni: we may want to choose or tweak the theme
[17:01] <tsdgeos> elopio: ah
[17:01] <tsdgeos> karni: or hardcode some stuff
[17:01] <karni> tsdgeos: shall I make it grey temporarily? fonts are now invisible if you ./run newscopes-new-dash-look
[17:01] <tsdgeos> karni: sure, and add a todo
[17:01] <karni> tsdgeos: I say I put "grey" in there so we see anything, and leave a todo to update the theme
[17:01] <karni> ok
[17:01] <tsdgeos> karni: we'll have a look at it next week need to run now
[17:01] <karni> ok!
[17:01] <tsdgeos> davmor2: can you reproduce the issue? i guess not, right?
[17:02] <elopio> it doesn't even get to the point where we wait for the animation to finish and click something else.
[17:02] <elopio> the problem there seems to be that the drag is actually failing to move to the next one.
[17:02] <tsdgeos> or that there is no next one
[17:02] <tsdgeos> i.e. hasn't loaded yet?
[17:03] <tsdgeos> davmor2: if you can reproduce it'd be good if you can run the test exporting QML_BAD_GUI_RENDER_LOOP=1 just to make sure it's not the awful 5.0 qml scene graph playing tricks on us
[17:04]  * tsdgeos really has to run now
[17:04] <tsdgeos> til morning!
[17:08] <davmor2> tsdgeos: I have run two sets of test let me grab the ouput from that first run got  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6891542/ and  the second got http://paste.ubuntu.com/6891973/
[17:12] <elopio> mterry: https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/unity8/fix1277591-open_scope_scrolling_waiting_for_wrong_property/+merge/205423
[17:13] <elopio> davmor2: if you could capture a video of what unity is doing when you get that failures, it'd be awesome.
[17:14] <davmor2> elopio: HA!   that will definitely have to wait till Monday
[17:18] <mterry> elopio, grabbing lunch but will review your branches after
[17:20] <elopio> mterry: that's just fine, thanks.
[18:24]  * greyback eow o/
[20:43] <cwayne> hm, my theming is all messed up after updating


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[01:19] <InHisName> Where and how to fix those settings?     -->export blahblah="some line or other " ?
[01:20] <passstab> is that too much work?
[01:21] <pleia2> InHisName: what were you doing when that happened? it usually stops once perl gets its head together in the upgrade process (perl is being upgraded as part of it, gets confused, but fixes itself later)
[01:21] <pleia2> it's not a big deal really
[01:22] <passstab> are you on 12.04? (ooc)
[01:23] <InHisName> not yet
[01:24] <InHisName> tax first, then everything else
[01:33] <passstab> good plan
[01:34] <InHisName> Now update mgr says I need a reboot.  Next boot I'll find out how well it went.
[01:43] <passstab> kernel update?
[02:04] <passstab> better?
[02:05] <InHisName> maybe, have to check first
[02:07] <InHisName> update mgr says I'm up to date, so I guess so.
[02:08] <passstab> :)
[02:09] <passstab> apt-get vs aptitude?
[02:09] <passstab> which is better?
[02:09] <passstab> i like aptitudes clean syntax
[02:10] <passstab> (or rather i dislike get's messy one)
[02:10] <passstab> but get seems more popular
[02:11] <passstab> all the comparisons seem like they might be outdated
[08:40] <JonathanD> Morning
[08:57] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[09:04] <JonathanD> Hey rmg51
[09:04] <rmg51> o/
[09:34] <InHisName> Morning all
[09:46] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:07] <SamuraiAlba> bacon bacon bay---con
[11:07] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[13:39] <jedijf> note to self: add a log file to rsync over network....and don't play with LOIC on network you are rsync'ing to
[13:43] <jedijf> Easter fun ^^^
[14:02] <ChinnoDog> I like today's animated google logo
[15:29] <adom> hi all. yeah google logos pretty cool today.
[15:29] <adom> so i installed Mint 64bit on my main desktop over the weekend
[15:30] <adom> got WoW running under wine with some patience
[15:30] <MutantTurkey> cool
[15:30] <MutantTurkey> wine is moving along well
[15:30] <adom> yeah, seems to work pretty well for most stuff i try
[15:30] <MutantTurkey> or as it has done for most of the age...
[15:30] <MutantTurkey> i wish microsoft word would work.
[15:30] <adom> i failed trying to get office 2010 installed, but i think 2007 works fine (or maybe it was 2003?)
[15:31] <MutantTurkey> 2003 is ok i think
[15:31] <MutantTurkey> but it's 2012...
[15:31] <adom> nerp, i just opened Word 07 on this machine. working fine
[15:31] <MutantTurkey> you can use SCP to copy to a remove server from locally right?
[15:32] <adom> i take that back, errored out. worked fine before tho.
[15:32] <MutantTurkey> hum
[15:32] <MutantTurkey> you'd think they would put more effort
[15:32] <MutantTurkey> the fact though I suppose is that most people use it for games
[15:32] <MutantTurkey> so less interest for meanial applications like word...
[15:32] <MutantTurkey> I really wanna see a foobar2k port... amirite?
[15:40] <passstab> why foobar2k?
[15:51] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: scp or if doing a lot of copying use/try ssfs
[15:51] <jedijf> sshfs
[15:52] <jedijf> passstab: i probably won't get to mmmm, too far behind in life
[15:54] <MutantTurkey> yeah
[15:54] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: yeah konqueror has a good tool for this
[15:54] <MutantTurkey> well it's just automagic
[15:58] <passstab> damn
[16:04] <passstab> i had a couple ubuntu stickers and an old router for you
[16:07] <jedijf> passstab: put them in my box (marked jedijf)
[16:07] <passstab> ok
[16:07] <jedijf> what kind of router - maybe we could open or dd - or tomato it
[16:08] <passstab> if we could i wouldn't be getting rid of it
[16:08] <passstab> maybe open
[16:08] <passstab> lemme check
[16:10]  * passstab removes the logout button from his panal
[16:11] <passstab> :P
[16:12] <passstab> nope it's unsupported
[16:13] <passstab> no scrach that
[16:14] <passstab> it's the wgr614v6
[16:32] <MutantTurkey> i hate doing work for other people who don't know what they are oding
[16:32] <MutantTurkey> this guy is using quicktime to extract 1080p videos into PNGs.... it takes like 40 minutes to do 10 minutes of video
[16:32] <MutantTurkey> on a Dual Xeon lotsa cores on this jown 16gigs of memory
[16:32] <MutantTurkey> its like.... use mplayer + png output = faster and easier to automate
[21:27] <InHisName> people who don't know what they are oding  ----> what is 'oding' ?
[21:46] <pleia2> a typo for "doing"


[22:02] <QwertyChouskie> Are there plans to get Linux 4.18 in 18.10?
[22:02] <QwertyChouskie> Trying to use aarch64 Ubuntu on the Pi 3b+
[22:27] <hcaley> hey, got a problem with Cosmic Cuttlefish.  Today when I did an update I got a conflict between gnome-session and ubuntu-session, and now gnome is hosed.
[22:28] <hcaley> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/ubuntu-session_3.29.90-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[22:28] <hcaley>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/ubuntu.session', which is also in package gnome-session 3.29.90-1ubuntu1
[22:32] <hcaley> Anyone?
[22:33] <tsimonq2> !patience
[22:37] <hcaley> I was hoping this was a fairly generic package manager issue.
[22:40] <tsimonq2> hcaley: I don't think it is.


[17:18] <phunyguy> ^ wb
[17:27] <AlanBell> phunyguy: yay
[17:28] <phunyguy> \o/
[17:28] <AlanBell> connection details for freenode changed and I didn't realise
[20:01] <Pici> perfect timing


[04:02] <rk61197> hi every body i need some help for you
[04:04] <tsimonq2> !ask
[04:18] <rk61197> ok i am beginner in linux os and i want to develop a web site so how can i prepare my os for  web development
[04:23] <tsimonq2> Nothing, really.
[09:19] <rk61197> hello everybady can i go to web devlopment in lubuntu 17.10(i386)
[09:26] <leszek> rk61197: I am not sure if I understood you correctly. You want to do web development on lubuntu?
[09:26] <rk61197> yes
[09:27] <leszek> rk61197: of course you can do web development on lubuntu. Should be no problem
[09:27] <zleap> I think bluefish is one of web editors
[09:28] <zleap> so it has buttons for various html tas
[09:28] <zleap> tags
[09:29] <zleap> you can also set up an apache or ngnix (i think) instance and test the websie if you point the browser to localhost
[09:29] <rk61197> i have some problem on my localhost
[09:29] <zleap> ok
[09:29] <zleap> well localhost is just <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:30] <rk61197> ok
[09:30] <zleap> but for testng html/css you can just open say /home/user/website and open index.html
[09:31] <zleap> i think you probabl;y need a web server if you're serving php, scripting etc
[09:31] <zleap> not exactly sure
[09:34] <rk61197> after inataling mysql i have open wp_config.php on folowing a word press tutorial
[09:35] <zleap> ok
[09:35] <rk61197> after enter all data giving me some error
[09:36] <zleap> what error do you get
[09:37] <zleap> i probably can't help but if you copy / paste to somewhere like pastebin or gist.github.com then post the link someone maybe able to help
[09:37] <rk61197> error writing, permition denide
[09:37] <zleap> hmm
[09:37] <rk61197> ok
[09:38] <zleap> so you don't have permission to write to a directory
[09:38] <rk61197> i will try
[09:38] <zleap> i know with setting up a webserver i need to add myself to the www-data group
[09:39] <zleap> then do some other things so i can write to /var/www/ etc as my user name
[09:39] <leszek> if you add your user to www-data group your user should have write permissions for /var/www
[09:40] <zleap> it is nopt as simple as that,  i need to dig out the instructions
[09:40] <zleap> but yeah
[09:40] <zleap> what are you setting up
[09:40] <zleap> wordpress
[09:42] <leszek> rk61197: I am just asking myself why you don't use a docker image and dockerhub if you just want to do web development and not deal with setting up apache2 or nginx and so on
[09:43] <zleap> i agree there
[09:43] <zleap> i am guessing docker image will be all set up
[09:44] <zleap> https://superuser.com/questions/646062/granting-write-permissions-to-www-data-group
[09:45] <zleap> if you consider the faff you need to go through to add your user to www-data then everything else, it is easier plus you are not opening your computer to potential security issues
[09:45] <rk61197> [ Error writing /var/www/html/wp-config.php: Permission denied
[09:46] <rk61197> THIS ERROR I GET
[09:46] <zleap> so yeah sounds like a permissions errror
[09:47] <zleap> type groups are you in www-data (or similar depending on your distro)
[09:47] <leszek> rk61197: where do you get this error message? Trying to open the wordpress page in the browser maybe?
[09:47] <zleap> but if you want a wordpress site  just go to wordpress.com and it is free or you pay for extra features
[09:50] <rk61197> I AM A BIGENER IN LINUX  SO CAN U GUIDE ME STEP BY STEP
[09:50] <zleap> er ok
[09:50] <zleap> 1 no need to shout (caps)
[09:51] <rk61197> 1 no need to shout (caps) I DONT MEAN IT
[09:51] <zleap> ok right,  if you want to set up wordpress why not go for the free account on wordpress.com
[09:52] <rk61197> OK
[09:55] <zleap> the issue i have with online instructions is finding the exact combination of OS and version
[09:56] <zleap> as things change and trying to follo instructions that are not exactly right for what you have causes issues
[09:56] <zleap> i generally try and write generic insructions and point people elsewhere
[09:56] <zleap> so if i point to the mysql docs you get the latest documentation for mysql
[10:07] <zleap> rk61197: i need  to go shortly but i would read upon what  you wantto do, and ask here,  but as you're dealing with wordpress see if there is an irc channel for it, there is for mysql and almost certainly for apache ngnix etc
[10:07] <zleap> good luck,
[10:07] <zleap> :)
[11:28] <zleap> back (well sort of)
[18:27] <xaeB5> is it possible to not display the application name in the window list section of the lubuntu panel? in lxqt you can set it to be icon only, rather than name and icon
[18:36] <redwolf> yes, xaeB5. look at this picture: https://forum.lxde.org/download/file.php?id=358&sid=a16c88988ad40eb542f29570c0287a53
[18:37] <redwolf> if you right-click on the panel and choose settings, look for "Task Bar (Window List)", click edit and activate "Icons only"
[18:37] <xaeB5> thanks redwolf!
[18:38] <redwolf> but I'm not sure you can "pin" apps in the panel with that plugin. if you want to that there's another plugin, "icon-taskbar" or something like that. and it's not official
[18:39] <xaeB5> this works for me
[18:39] <redwolf> ok :)
[18:39] <xaeB5> looking forward to lxqt edition of lubuntu
[18:40] <redwolf> oh, I think you're going to love it :)
[18:40] <xaeB5> :)


[00:35] <czajkowski> aloha
[00:36] <dutchie> ooh, it boots on the older kernel
[08:00] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:01] <daubers> Morning
[08:02] <Craig_Dem> Good Morning
[08:02] <Craig_Dem> And for the sixth day in a row, no school!
[08:04] <MooDoo> the one school in our village that's stayed open, the head has now got to write a letter to parents to explain why he's stayed open due to 3 parents complaining lol
[08:04] <Craig_Dem> Ouch
[08:10] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:17] <MooDoo> czajkowski, morning
[08:22] <czajkowski> MooDoo: ello hows things
[08:26]  * daubers ponders tea
[08:31] <czajkowski> tea never needs to be pondered only consumed
[08:35] <daubers> czajkowski: How's tricks?
[08:35] <czajkowski> good thanks at a conference
[08:35] <daubers> shiny
[08:35] <MooDoo> czajkowski, yeah i'm fine.....:)  hows the conference going?
[08:36] <czajkowski> aye rather busy too
[08:36] <czajkowski> more than 50 talks over the next few days
[08:36] <czajkowski> and over 200 people
[08:36] <MooDoo> wow lots of talk there
[08:36]  * daubers ponders getting some IAMs
[08:39] <MooDoo> daubers, IAMs as in the pet food stuff?
[08:40] <daubers> MooDoo: Individual Applience Moniter whatsits
[08:40] <MooDoo> daubers, i knew that ;) well done you passed my test :D
[08:41] <daubers> MooDoo: :p
[08:42] <daubers> I just want to see when the electric heaters pop on and off individually. Quite hard to do that from a single data display
[08:42] <czajkowski> daubers: they kinda work
[08:42] <daubers> kinda?
[08:43] <czajkowski> but depends on the area you need to use them and how often
[08:45] <czajkowski> n
[08:45] <czajkowski> nm got them confused with tens
[08:47] <daubers> czajkowski: Ahhhh :) Was very confused then.....
[08:48] <daubers> Anyone know when the new menu thing is landing in Natty?
[08:48] <MooDoo> daubers, new menu thing?
[08:48] <MooDoo> you mean unity?
[08:49] <daubers> MooDoo: The ubuntu menu for unity, the bit that shows all the appications properly rather than opening a nautilus window :)
[08:50] <MartijnVdS> daubers: reddit.com/r/iama ? :)
[08:54]  * TheOpenSourcerer 's car is now in a ditch :-(
[08:54] <AlanBell> yikes
[08:54] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: eep everyone ok?
[08:54] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: ...... explain?
[08:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes - it was a slow motion skid
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Bloody Ocado van stopped halfway down a hill with no traffic or houses on it. road was like oiled glass.
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> I did well to miss it frankly.
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Then he drove off!
[08:55] <czajkowski> :s
[08:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Stroppy mail to Ocado will be winging it's way shortly.
[08:56] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: Get the reg?
[08:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nope, but know the time/location.
[08:59] <AlanBell> need hauling out?
[09:00] <AlanBell> or is it broken as well as in a ditch?
[09:01] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: glad everyone is ok, much damage ?
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> ,adhd
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> oops, wrong channel :)
[09:10] <wintellect> Mornin all
[09:15] <MooDoo> wintellect, morn
[09:17] <wintellect> hello MooDoo
[09:17] <Flashtek> o/
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> "moo doo" = cow feces?
[09:18] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Play nice
[09:18]  * MartijnVdS will :)
[09:18] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS, thanks for that :D
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: well, "moo juice" is milk.. so I thought..
[09:18]  * MartijnVdS will stop thinking, sorry :)
[09:18] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS, silly boy : D lol
[09:18] <Flashtek> lol
[09:19] <Flashtek> there is logic there..
[09:19] <MooDoo> if you really must know, VooDoo was already registered and someone, i can't remember who, went moooooooooooooooooooooo so there you go the change
[09:19] <Flashtek> after all, what is doggie doo ?
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: Ah, cow zombies
[09:20] <MooDoo> yes yes, it wasn't funny the first time, time give it a rest :p
[09:20] <Flashtek> Thalmatergic Bovines
[09:21] <screen-x> morning :)
[09:21] <MooDoo> screen-x, morning
[09:21] <daubers> Morning screen-x
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:23] <screen-x> so how are we all, this fine December Monday?
[09:23] <MooDoo> screen-x, it's cold on them there hills
[09:33] <czajkowski> fantastic keynote by simon phipps
[09:33] <screen-x> which event czajkowski?
[09:37] <czajkowski> postgres
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> there's a postgres event?
[09:37] <czajkowski> follow #pgdayeu on twitter to see what folks are saying
[09:37] <screen-x> thanks
[09:37] <czajkowski> 2010.pgday.eu
[09:48] <Flashtek> jack frost has been to visit Plymouth ppl..
[09:49] <popey> czajkowski: give the enterprisedb people a poke in the eye for me
[09:50] <popey> czajkowski: they cluelessly send out spam with "Dear <name>" in, or a name, but not my name in.
[09:50] <MooDoo> popey, if we had to poke all the companies in the world that are lazy and don't check their emails, we would, and me especially, have sore fingers :D
[09:52] <popey> sure, but she's standing near them
[09:53] <MooDoo> czajkowski, double poke time then
[09:55] <Flashtek> heya popey
[09:56] <popey> lo
[09:57] <Flashtek> how is ?
[09:58] <MooDoo> Flashtek, the weather?
[09:58] <MooDoo> ;)
[09:58] <Flashtek> yeah
[09:58] <Flashtek> how is the weather
[09:59] <Flashtek> like I can't find that out..
[09:59] <popey> http://popey.com/webcam/ snow melting
[09:59] <MooDoo> Flashtek, well how is? doesn't really make sense does it :p
[09:59] <Flashtek> how is popey ?
[10:00] <kazade> morning all
[10:00] <MooDoo> kazade, good morning
[10:01] <Flashtek> wheeee.... http://portal.wattsure.com/all/gendash/136
[10:02] <kevinw> can anyone shed light on the error: EXPIRED: Instance expired after not being reported for 600000 - im trying to setup a cloud and every instances terminates with this error
[10:03] <AlanBell> amazon cloud?
[10:05] <kevinw> ubuntu
[10:06] <nperry> Morning o/
[10:06] <webpigeon_web> morning
[10:08] <kevinw> i have installed it on two machines using the 10.04 cd, one node is the cloud controller etc, and the other is a node controller, all running public IP's
[10:18] <czajkowski> kevinw: #ubuntu-cloud might be more helpful
[10:18] <kevinw> ive tried in there but not had any responces
[10:18] <kevinw> i thought id give here a try on the off chance
[10:18] <czajkowski> kevinw: be patient it'
[10:18] <czajkowski> it'
[10:18] <czajkowski> it's irc
[10:19] <czajkowski> and rather early
[10:19]  * jpds considers 6am to be early.
[10:19] <kevinw> fair comment
[10:19] <MooDoo> jpds, that's my normal get up time.....
[10:19] <jpds> MooDoo: Likewise.
[10:20] <MooDoo> jpds, mines not by choice with a 2 year old :D
[10:20] <czajkowski> popey: enterprise db person is an organiser shall poke them after the party tonight
[10:21] <Flashtek> popey: ever seen a cat jump while looking down ?
[10:21] <MooDoo> Flashtek, what a bizarre question for monday, or maybe i've not had enough coffee yet :D
[10:23] <popey> Flashtek: que?
[10:23] <webpigeon_web> does
[10:23] <danfish> morning all
[10:23] <webpigeon_web> does the cat command count?
[10:23] <webpigeon_web> hey danfish?
[10:24] <webpigeon_web> damn phone irc client.
[10:24]  * MooDoo wants to go watch a cat jump while looking down to see what happens
[10:30] <MooDoo> danfish, morning
[10:31] <webpigeon_web> moodoo I have 8 of them and i can't remember any of the doing it
[10:34] <MooDoo> lol
[10:35] <webpigeon_web> although can't say i was paying that much attention: p
[10:42] <czajkowski> dear weather app work and stop confusing me
[10:42] <popey> czajkowski: iphone weather app?
[10:42] <danfish> czajkowski: just look out of the window :)
[10:43] <czajkowski> popey: nope laptop, lucid. it's ticked to show weather but not actually doing so
[10:44] <jpds> czajkowski: Have you set a 'home' city?
[10:45] <czajkowski> yup
[10:46] <hoover> hi folks
[10:47] <czajkowski> http://twitpic.com/3dfn0k
[10:49] <jpds> czajkowski: So if you click on it, and go to "Locations:", there's a city with a little house?
[10:50] <kaushal> hi
[10:51] <kaushal> is there a way to install IE on Ubuntu 10.10 ?
[10:51] <kaushal> I need IE due to browser restrictions
[10:51] <czajkowski> yup
[10:51] <kaushal> I have HP servers where in the IPMI supports only IE
[10:52] <czajkowski> jpds: yup
[10:52] <jpds> czajkowski: Hmm.
[10:52] <popey> kaushal: http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
[10:52] <czajkowski> jpds: shall reboot a few times]
[10:52] <czajkowski> usually knocks some sense into it
[10:52] <czajkowski> :s
[10:52] <popey> o_O
[10:52] <czajkowski> wont be running lucid for much longer on this one
[10:53] <czajkowski> popey: see phips reply to you
[10:54] <jpds> czajkowski: Three times.
[10:54] <czajkowski> twice seems to do it, same way lately when i'm connected to wifi it actually displays me not connected when i am
[10:54] <czajkowski> :s
[10:55] <popey> czajkowski: i have
[10:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> Love it - Andrew Marr apparently repeated Jim Naughtie's faux pas in Start The Week just an hour or so later... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11925556
[10:57] <popey> he did
[10:57]  * popey has the mp3 :)
[10:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[10:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's hear: http://tindeck.com/listen/qlev
[10:59] <AlanBell> oh dear
[11:01] <kaushal> popey: Thanks
[11:01] <kaushal> czajkowski: Thanks
[11:06] <czajkowski> kaushal: oh i wasnt saying yes to you, sorry
[11:06] <czajkowski> jpds: yup 2 reboots fixes it
[11:18] <selinuxium> Morning all!  o/
[11:19] <czajkowski> selinuxium: seeing you here more often these days
[11:19] <selinuxium> czajkowski, Trying to get my attendance back up. :)
[11:19]  * TheOpenSourcerer is glad selinuxium wasn't around when I made the Essex joke ;-)
[11:19] <selinuxium> Sadly, can't make the Xmas party... :(
[11:20] <selinuxium> TheOpenSourcerer, I probably have much worse ones under my belt.. :)
[11:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[11:20] <czajkowski> selinuxium: tis ok, neither can i
[11:20] <czajkowski> we shall have new year event drinks!
[11:20] <selinuxium> Hell Yeah!
[11:21] <czajkowski> danfish: is gonna organise a rugby /pub session
[11:21] <czajkowski> so we go to a pub watch rugby and catch up
[11:21] <MooDoo> czajkowski, that sounds awesome
[11:21] <czajkowski> MooDoo: doesn't it :D
[11:22] <czajkowski> London Irish have a ton of games on in the new year
[11:22] <czajkowski> we just need to find a weekend, pick a pub and meet
[11:22] <MooDoo> czajkowski, well seeing as i'm a harlequins fan i'll have to make a visit to the stoop :D
[11:22] <danfish> czajkowski: oh yeah - I remember now. I'll look into that this week - d'ya think before or after Chrimbo?
[11:22] <czajkowski> after so i can join :D
[11:23] <danfish> when are England playing Ireland?
[11:23] <czajkowski> not sure i want to be around folks during that game, my language will not be CoC friendly
[11:23] <MooDoo> you think i want to be in the vacinity of czajkowski  when england play ireland?  if england loose i owe her a pint
[11:23] <czajkowski> march 19th
[11:24] <danfish> (no access to web browser at the mo)
[11:24] <czajkowski> it's being played in ireland so going to a pub in uk could be fun
[11:24] <MooDoo> czajkowski, i think we need to organize an ubuntu-uk/rugby fans meet up then :)
[11:24] <danfish> it would be awesome :)
[11:25] <czajkowski> MooDoo: that's what we're doing
[11:25] <czajkowski> ok so march 19th
[11:25] <MooDoo> czajkowski, and i could never believe anything but roses could come out of your mouth ;)
[11:25] <czajkowski> load of notice to find a pub suitable and enough notice
[11:25] <danfish> may I suggest somewhere near Clapham for ease of train access?
[11:25] <czajkowski> MooDoo: ahh bless tis clear we've never met
[11:25] <czajkowski> danfish: sounds good
[11:26] <czajkowski> whooo funky event :D
[11:26] <MooDoo> czajkowski, clearly, and i'm not sure i'm brave enough to come down, even though i probably tower above you ;)
[11:26] <czajkowski> MooDoo: bah shurup and come join the fun
[11:26] <MooDoo> czajkowski, i'm there :D
[11:26] <czajkowski> hmm so anyone know any decent pubs in clapham ?
[11:29] <davmor2> morning all
[11:30] <czajkowski> davmor2: ello my dear
[11:30] <davmor2> czajkowski: your being all pleasant did you miss me ;)
[11:31] <czajkowski> davmor2: hardly, but we're organising a meet up regarding beer/rugby and ubuntu so in good form
[11:31] <davmor2> czajkowski: nice
[11:33] <MooDoo> davmor2, it's going to be nice to see czajkowski when england beat her beloved ireland :p
[11:35] <MooDoo> davmor2, either that or buy her a pint when england get stuffed :D
[11:35] <selinuxium> czajkowski, I think MooDoo is in for a RUDE awakening... :)
[11:35] <MooDoo> selinuxium, i'm a big boy i can take care of my self, besides i'll just bring a box and gum shield
[11:35] <danfish> czajkowski: there's loads to chose from - depends on how rowdy you like em :)
[11:36] <MooDoo> danfish, nice and chilled i reckon
[11:36] <czajkowski> MooDoo: in the last 7 games ye've won once that's going back to march 04
[11:36] <MooDoo> czajkowski, stats schmats....:p
[11:37] <davmor2> MooDoo: you need to buy her extra sticky toffee if Ireland win so it gum czajkowski gob shut, you'll never hear the end of it else
[11:37] <czajkowski> lol
[11:38] <czajkowski> danfish: makes no difference to me, once it has beer and we can get in and even book off an area in advance would be even better
[11:38] <danfish> czajkowski: I'll bet you £10 on England to win (if you pay up front I'll make it £5 :P)
[11:38] <czajkowski> lol
[11:38] <czajkowski> look as long as we have a good day with beers and banter it'll be fun
[11:38] <danfish> agreed
[11:39] <danfish> I'll check a few venues this week and report back
[11:40] <czajkowski> sweet
[11:40] <czajkowski> selinuxium: you in ?
[11:40] <MooDoo> davmor2, lol i'll remember that
[12:08] <MooDoo> and it's all gone quiet.
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: everyone's having lunch :)
[12:13] <Flashtek> i'm not
[12:13] <danfish> or is thinking about lunch
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> Flashtek: you just don't know it yet
[12:14] <davmor2> MooDoo: everyone is scared that czajkowski might be nice to them too
[12:14] <Flashtek> oh, I'm thinking about it..
[12:14] <Flashtek> just don't think about a pink elephant
[12:15] <MartijnVdS> Flashtek: just had some, on toast
[12:18] <Flashtek> elephant ?
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> pink elephant
[12:19] <Flashtek> how do you have it ?
[12:19] <Flashtek> rare ?
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> as a pate
[12:19] <Flashtek> ah, pink elephant pate.. nice..
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> but yes, it's very rare :)
[12:20] <Flashtek> lol
[12:20] <selinuxium> czajkowski, Sorry, in on what? :)
[12:20] <selinuxium> czajkowski, Allways up for beer and rugby! :)
[12:29] <MooDoo> selinuxium, czajkowski is planning a beer sesh england/ireland rugby
[12:29] <MooDoo> selinuxium, march 19th
[12:41] <czajkowski> :)
[12:44] <daubers> *sigh*
[12:44] <daubers> I wish they'd drop this "superfast means fibre" attitude
[12:47] <popey> http://www.serversplus.com/mailshots/microservercashback.html
[12:47] <yasahiro> Hello.
[12:47] <popey> mini server under 100 quid
[12:48] <yasahiro> After 100 back, yeah.
[12:48] <Nafallo> popey: 1U?
[12:50] <MooDoo> Nafallo, look at the link, looks like a mini box
[12:57] <m4r35n357> Anyone using rapidsvn on maverick?  Were abouts?
[13:30] <czajkowski> selinuxium: clapham somewhere
[13:30] <selinuxium> s/Were/Where
[13:30] <czajkowski> good train access there
[13:30] <selinuxium> coolio!
[13:30] <czajkowski> march 19th
[13:30] <selinuxium> czajkowski, you based here now then?
[13:30] <czajkowski> selinuxium: yes... for the last month
[13:43] <MooDoo> czajkowski, selinuxium i'll be travelling down from notts
[13:44] <selinuxium> czajkowski, OK cool, you near Clapham then?
[13:45] <dutchie> daubers: which disk should i buy? need a tb for backups/media storage, 3.5" sata
[13:47] <czajkowski> selinuxium: aldershot
[13:48] <selinuxium> O_o
[13:49] <selinuxium> czajkowski, I have done gigs there!
[13:49] <selinuxium> I see why we are looking at Clapham then!
[13:50] <daubers> dutchie: Internal/External?
[13:50] <czajkowski> selinuxium: handy for people to come there
[13:50] <czajkowski> good train service
[13:50] <MooDoo> :)
[13:51] <dutchie> daubers: to go in an external enclosure
[14:00] <Flashtek> hmm..
[14:00] <Flashtek> anyone know where I can get an external display case to hold a 18.5" tft outside ?
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> Flashtek: outside? as in outdoors?
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> or outside as in "its outside dimensions"
[14:01] <daubers> dutchie: Ah ok :) At the moment I'd use either Seagate or Hitachi.
[14:01]  * MartijnVdS has several Samsungs
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> Every Seagate disk I've owned has died within a year
[14:02] <daubers> MartijnVdS: We don't tend to use samsung as they don't play nice with RAID controllers
[14:02] <dutchie> what source would you recommend?
[14:03] <daubers> dutchie: Ah, we get ours from distribution :) Wherever cheapest, if you can, get an ES or Enterprise grade drive. The samsung ES drives are quite nice
[14:03] <Flashtek> outdoors
[14:04] <daubers> s/samsung/seagate
[14:04] <daubers> dutchie: The bog standard basic consumer ones are rubbish
[14:04] <ali1234> is there really any difference?
[14:04] <MartijnVdS> yes there is
[14:05] <dutchie> there's a samsung spinpoint f3 on dabs for £42
[14:05] <ali1234> i always figured "enterprise grade" was just shorthand for 500% markup
[14:05] <daubers> ali1234: Definatley
[14:05] <daubers> ali1234: ES drives are rated for quite harsh use 24/7, whereas consumer ones are rated for a lot less
[14:05] <daubers> dutchie: What budget you got?
[14:05] <ali1234> but the rating means nothing
[14:06] <daubers> ali1234: In what way?
[14:06] <dutchie> daubers: student budget :) rather not go over £60/70
[14:07] <daubers> ali1234: I've tested 14 drive raid 6's with consumer grade drives and enterprise grade drives, enterprise grade tend to last longer and ahve better performance
[14:07] <ali1234> daubers: well imagine if i buy a job lot of cookware, say, and then stick a label on it that says "rated for up to 400 degrees"
[14:07] <ali1234> then resell it with a 500% markup
[14:07] <daubers> ali1234: Also, we get about 1 in 128 DOA in enterprise grade and 1 in 32 for consumer
[14:07] <ali1234> i am not being dishonest, yet i am still ripping people off :)
[14:08] <ali1234> the only drives i have ever seen break are maxtor
[14:09] <ali1234> and those ran in a moving vehicle for a year
[14:11] <ali1234> it's kind of the flipside of the insurance scam, where all the suppliers on the chain massively over-quote because they know insurance will pay
[14:12] <ali1234> so you end up with "so and so went to prison for causing £100000 worth of damage" and it turns out they broke 1 window or something
[14:12] <daubers> dutchie: Hmmm... at that price you'll get a consumer grade one only. Need to spend ~£90 for enterprise grade. In your case I'd go with http://www.dabs.com/products/western-digital-1tb-caviar-black-3-5--sata6gb-s-7200rpm-64mb-6LXV.html?refs=52450000-12-4294951586-42730000-376770000 or possibly http://www.dabs.com/products/seagate-1tb-barracuda-sata-300-32mb-7200rpm-6L8D.html?refs=52450000-12-4294951586-42730000-376770000 that
[14:12] <daubers> though the seagate AS drives are pretty pooey these days
[14:13] <dutchie> daubers: thanks
[14:13] <daubers> dutchie: The spinpoint one would be a safe-ish wildcard (I've not had any of those in to play with)
[14:14] <daubers> dutchie: Though since you're putting it in a usb caddy, as long as you don't throw the caddy around, the caddy electronics will probably go before the drive
[14:15] <dutchie> i'm not likely to throw it around, i can make no guarantees of my mother though :(
[14:15] <dutchie> i'm sure her "tidying up" has accounted for most of my disk failures
[14:16] <daubers> heh :) Bolt it to something and the spinpoint will probably do you. Though if you have some spare capacity somewhere else, always keep a second backup of anything exceptionally critical
[14:16] <dutchie> righty-ho
[14:18] <daubers> dutchie: (i.e. U1 or dropbox for uber critical stuffs second backup)
[14:18] <dutchie> do that already :)
[14:18] <daubers> heh :)
[14:27] <daubers> Bah, stupid textviews
[14:27] <daubers> all I want to do is get _all_ of the text.
[14:30] <daubers> Ah ha!
[14:30] <daubers> I win!
[15:02] <gord> ack, i let my heating turn off! :(
[15:06]  * popey defrosts gord
[15:13] <selinuxium> What is the new URL for the joggler stuff?
[15:14] <mrxtian> Been using rapidsvn, then wanted to use svn now rapidsvn will not start (floatingpoint exception) so un-installed svn, Raid works again Where would I report this bug ?
[15:17] <popey> selinuxium: http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/ubuntu/
[15:26]  * bigcalm waves
[15:28]  * popey tickles
[15:28] <bigcalm> Gah!
[15:28] <bigcalm> popey: have you been taking hints from my GF?
[15:29] <bigcalm> She is a mean tickler
[15:29] <popey> not sure I want to know that :)
[15:29] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:29] <bigcalm> Just if I stretch, she tries to tickle me. Quite off putting
[15:32] <czajkowski> seems more like a challenge to me
[15:32] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:33] <selinuxium> popey, Cheers fella...
[15:35] <popey> np
[15:35]  * popey notes this was in the show notes for the podcast :)
[15:35] <popey> (thats where I got it from)
[15:42] <cps> afternoon :)
[15:48] <kaushal> Hi
[15:49] <kaushal> I am unable to install IE on Ubuntu 10.10
[15:49] <kaushal> is it a better option to go for Virtualbox OSE ?
[15:49] <kaushal> and then try IE inside Guest OS
[15:50] <screen-x> kaushal: I'd use virtualbox for that.
[15:50] <kaushal> yes
[15:50] <kaushal> got it and understood
[15:50] <kaushal> screen-x: thats ideal
[15:51] <kaushal> OSE edition is good ?
[15:51] <kaushal> anyways virtual OSE is better option
[15:51] <kaushal> Thanks again
[15:53] <screen-x> OSE is missing some usb goodies iirc, but is fine for testing internet explorer.
[15:59] <daubers> Anyone know the python tarfile module inside out?
[15:59] <daubers> I'm compressing a given file, but it's keeping the full path, I just want it to compress the file.
[16:00] <ali1234> tar doesn't compress
[16:01] <daubers> no, but tarfile lets you use gz compression
[16:02] <ali1234> specify the arcname parameter
[16:02] <ali1234> "If given, arcname specifies an alternative name for the file in the archive."
[16:06] <daubers> bah, was hoping for an easier fix that that, never mind. Ta :)
[16:17] <bigcalm> So the new Nexus S is out, but the video demonstraiting it shows nothing that my Nexus One doesn't do. I think the video was to show off some new shoes they had bought
[16:23] <czajkowski> tonight is a free beer by enterprise DB whooo
[16:23] <MooDoo> czajkowski, yay o/
[16:29] <davmor2> MooDoo: why you excited that means hung over czajkowski tomorrow to deal with ;)
[16:29] <nperry> Android 2.3 has some new additions to it
[16:30] <MooDoo> davmor2, i'm off tues and wed so won't have to deal with anything ;)
[16:30] <davmor2> MooDoo: Coward ;)
[16:30] <MooDoo> davmor2, nah i'm not scared of czajkowski
[16:31] <MooDoo> davmor2, there is currently over 200 miles between us lol
[16:31] <davmor2> MooDoo: hahaha
[16:32] <MooDoo> davmor2, shhh i'm only little so i'll sneak in to that do she's planning in march, she'll not know i'm there
[16:33] <davmor2> MooDoo: Yeah she will czajkowski has gitdar, it's like radar but ping on people who annoy her ;)
[16:33] <MooDoo> davmor2, 6'6 is little right?
[16:34] <davmor2> MooDoo: Umm yeah!  that's tiny right?
[16:35] <czajkowski> oi ye two behave
[16:35] <bigcalm> I've agreed to provide off site backup for my parents. Can anybody suggest a good NAS? I would just use a USB HD, but they don't always reconnect correctly after a power outage
[16:35] <MooDoo> davmor2, did you hear a noise?
[16:36] <davmor2> MooDoo: yes but then the plasterer stop use his mixer so it was okay
[16:37] <MooDoo> davmor2, phew, thought it was czajkowski bleating ;)
[16:38] <davmor2> MooDoo: you know you're gonna get whaled at some point right :D
[16:42] <MooDoo> davmor2, shhhh but i'm a sucker for punishment and looking forward to it :D
[16:44] <davmor2> MooDoo: you know those kinda thoughts are meant to stay in your head and not be broadcast on logged channels right ;)
[16:44] <MooDoo> davmor2, er er er
[17:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Why It Matters - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/12/06/why-it-matters/
[17:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Phil Bull] GNOME Developer Demos; Terminology; HIG 3.0 in Mallard; Cheesy sounds? - http://philbull.livejournal.com/57007.html
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> do I want a Nexus S :)
[18:22] <davmor2> is it me or did everyone fall of the face of ubuntu-uk for the last hour or so?
[18:23] <Azelphur> davmor2: rush hour?
[18:23]  * AlanBell creeps up behind davmor2 and shouts BOO
[18:24] <davmor2> AlanBell: heard you sneaking new vinyl flooring in new office, you'll have to try harder :D
[19:37] <dutchie> /sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib/libblas.so.3gf is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start.
[19:37] <dutchie> that doesn't look good :(
[19:37] <shauno> what's .3gf?
[19:39] <shauno> curious, as I have no files named such
[19:40] <dutchie> it seems to be at the end of a chain of broken links
[19:41] <shauno> have you taken a peek to see what is in it?
[19:41] <DJones> dutchie: Don't know if this helps? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=581412
[19:42] <dutchie> well, one of the other symptoms of this weirdness is that every browser i have tried segfaults
[19:42]  * dutchie tries w3m
[19:43] <DJones> Seems to relate to a python-numpy package
[19:44] <dutchie> ...but that error came up while trying to install epiphany
[20:05] <daubers> Evening
[20:08] <Danawar2> Heyaa i have a program in c++ within a file called program how do i run it?
[20:10] <daubers> Danawar2: Sorry?
[20:12] <Danawar2> Sorry, I copied some hello world code into gedit and saved it called 'program' how do I run this so I get the output? I normally use VB and just click play.
[20:13] <daubers> Danawar2: You'll need to compile it
[20:13] <Danawar2> How can i go about doing that?
[20:14] <Danawar2> I tried gcc program
[20:14] <daubers> Danawar2: You'll need to use g++
[20:14] <Danawar2> File format not recognized
[20:15] <daubers> Danawar2: Can you pastebin the exact command you used?
[20:16] <Danawar2> Sorry internet is playing up at the moment wont be long
[20:17] <Danawar2> http://pastebin.com/NAv93qcd
[20:18] <daubers> Danawar2: Ok, thats more standard c than c++, if you rename the file to have a .c extension it will compile with gcc
[20:18] <daubers> It will produce an executable called a.out
[20:19] <daubers> To run that you'll need to just type ./a.out
[20:19] <stuphi> mv program program.c
[20:20] <daubers> Danawar2: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/540412/ is a bit more C++ like
[20:20] <daubers> c++ source files should have the extension .cpp
[20:21] <Danawar2> Whats better to learn c or c++
[20:21] <Danawar2> because we learn c# at uni
[20:21] <daubers> Danawar2: Nothing wrong with c#, just need to use Mono to use it on Linux
[20:21] <daubers> Danawar2: Also, there is no real !better . It depends on what you want to achieve
[20:22] <daubers> !better
[20:22] <daubers> Hmm.... not sure on the wording of that last bit. Someone must have got annoyed :)
[20:23] <Danawar2> hehe well i'm doing security so i want to learn a bit of everything but i enjoy creating things so i was thinking of creating small 3D games to help learn programing,
[20:23] <Danawar2> Why does it call the file a.out?
[20:24] <daubers> Danawar2: Convention. You can tell it what to call it using the "-o" flag
[20:24] <daubers> Danawar2: Type "man gcc" or "man g++" to get the manual
[20:25] <zleap> where is the gthumb slideshow option in xubuntu 10.10
[20:25] <stuphi> Danawar2: a.out stands for Assembler Output
[20:25] <zleap> can't fimd it, its there in ubuntu 10.04
[20:25] <Danawar2> ok cheers and the man page is llongg :D
[20:28] <ali1234> Danawar2: get this book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_C_Programming_Language_%28book%29
[20:28] <ali1234> man pages are useless for learning C
[20:30] <daubers> ali1234: I thought everyone had to own a copy of that book by law
[20:31] <ali1234> anyone who claims to be a programmer...
[20:31] <daubers> heh, mines covered in sticky notes and pencilled in notes
[20:44] <Danawar2> So far i see very little difference between c# and c :P
[20:57] <gord> finally got around to putting the natty unity on my netbook, works really well :)
[20:58] <nperry> I like unity
[20:58] <ali1234> seriously?
[20:58] <nperry> Even on the desktop
[20:58] <ali1234> you must have extremely low expectations
[20:58] <gord> natty unity on the desktop is very nice right now
[20:59] <ali1234> i tried it yesterday, it is extremely buggy
[20:59] <ali1234> unless they rewrote half the code since then or something
[20:59] <nperry> you just don't know how to make it work ;)
[20:59] <gord> we re-wrote all the visuals ali1234
[20:59] <gord> its now in C++ instead of vala and using compiz instead of mutter
[21:00] <ali1234> since alpha 1?
[21:00] <ali1234> did you fix the broken dock bar thing?
[21:00] <gord> alpha one was like last thurday o_O
[21:00] <gord> geez, of course its buggy
[21:00] <gord> its alpha
[21:00] <nperry> its aplha, its going to be buggy
[21:00] <ali1234> so it's buggy *and* it works really well? aren't those mutually exclusive?
[21:00] <nperry> But at the moment all seems to be pretty stable
[21:00] <gord> alpha basically means " you are lucky if we don't destroy your entire computer"
[21:01] <nperry> with no show stopping bugs
[21:01] <gord> it works well for me ali1234, but thats how the world works, it doesn't seem to work well for you, that would be a bug
[21:03] <gord> can't figure out how to delete/move things to my sd card even though i have obviously done this before
[21:03] <gord> wrong channel sorry :x
[21:03] <ali1234> how do i report bugs on unity btw?
[21:03] <nperry> ubuntu-bug unity
[21:03] <gord> talking about my wii if anyone knows how to do that
[21:04] <nperry> gord: I've done it but can't remember how now
[21:10] <popey> ahem... http://twitter.com/#!/uupc/status/11889455057080320
[21:15] <ali1234> "ubuntu-bug unity" doesn't work on alpha 1 live image...
[21:16] <ali1234> oh wait, it didn't store my wireless key
[21:16] <czajkowski> peeka boo
[21:16] <AlanBell> evening all
[21:16] <czajkowski> AlanBell: howdy
[21:17]  * AlanBell listens to other Laura
[21:17] <czajkowski> oh where
[21:17] <AlanBell> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org:8000/
[21:17] <AlanBell> and over to popey now
[21:18] <czajkowski> m3u ?
[21:18] <czajkowski> xspf?
[21:18] <AlanBell> m3u
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> mplayer $url works
[22:05] <Azelphur> gmail seems to be dropping the ball on spam recently :(
[22:05] <Azelphur> I've had 3 get through this week
[22:19] <danfish> !bug 649345
[22:50] <Azelphur> Anyone know how to use ubuntu-bug to wait for xorg to crash and grab the backtrace
[22:51] <Azelphur> gonna highlight popey since he probably knows :)
[23:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Get Started Hacking On Unity Bitesize Bugs - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/12/06/get-started-hacking-on-unity-bitesize-bugs/