[01:49] <Unfrgiven> hey all
[01:50] <ajmitch_> hi
[01:57] <diamond> lo folks
[02:00] <tseng> hi.
[02:01] <diamond> does anyone know what time the community council meeting is going to be at tomorrow? the wiki page ain't saying
[02:01] <tseng> tommorow is the breezy kick off meeting
[02:01] <tseng> at 19:00 utc
[02:01] <tseng> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Calendar
[02:02] <diamond> tseng: aye, saw that too
[02:02] <tseng> cc is the 10th
[02:02] <tseng> alledgedly
[02:02] <diamond> well, today is the 9th here ,-)
[02:02] <tseng> oh
[02:12] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: tseng hey mate
[02:12] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: how goes it
[02:13] <tseng> hi Unfrgiven
[02:13] <Unfrgiven> where is the meeting held?
[02:13] <tseng>  #ubuntu-meeting
[02:13] <Unfrgiven> how are things tseng?
[02:13] <tseng> good thanks
[02:14] <Unfrgiven> tseng: settled back into normal life?
[02:14] <tseng> yes
[02:14] <tseng> mostly
[02:14] <Unfrgiven> good to hear
[02:14] <Unfrgiven> i got back from new zealand last night... trying to settle in again myself
[02:14] <Unfrgiven> i see you've been quite busy with mono packaging :)
[02:15] <tseng> yes
[02:16] <Unfrgiven> do you know whats going on with the mono debugger? i thought 1.1.7 would contain a release
[02:16] <tseng> dunno really
[02:16] <tseng> i dont do much development on mono yet, im in it for the cool apps
[02:17] <Unfrgiven> yeah same... but i'd like to get involved with using it....
[02:17] <tseng> im too busy doing php and expect at work
[02:17] <Unfrgiven> you at work?
[02:17] <tseng> no, its sunday
[02:17] <tseng> but in general
[02:17] <tseng> Im not in a hurry to learn more programming languages
[02:18] <Unfrgiven> hehe... didnt realise :) its monday morning here
[02:18] <Unfrgiven> i thought you were a c++ developer?
[02:18] <tseng> hm no
[02:18] <tseng> i only know C++ basics
[02:19] <tseng> hrm breezy is going to rock so hard
[02:20] <Unfrgiven> yeah... gcc4 is a PITA though
[02:20] <tseng> nah
[02:20] <tseng> g++ 4 will be
[02:21] <Unfrgiven> ive got a package failing to build becuase of a kernel include failing to build... grrr
[02:21] <tseng> with the new headers?
[02:21] <tseng> we just got 2.6.11 or someat
[02:22] <tseng> up from 2.5.99-pre4324
[02:22] <Unfrgiven> i havent tried with the 2.6.11 headers yet
[02:22] <Unfrgiven> when did that go in?
[02:29] <tseng> hm a few days ago
[02:30] <tseng> Subject: 	Accepted linux-kernel-headers <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu4 (source)
[02:30] <tseng> Date: 	Wed,  4 May 2005 20:30:02 +0100 (BST)  (15:30 EDT)
[02:34] <Unfrgiven> tseng: hmmm ill give that a whirl.
[02:35] <tseng> just an idea
[02:47] <Unfrgiven> its a good one. ill give it a shot when i get home from work.
[02:47] <Unfrgiven> just out of interest. do you see any problems with having a breezy pbuilder environment on a debian sid box?
[02:48] <tseng> nope
[02:48] <tseng> ajmitch_ does that
[03:22] <ajmitch_> although X is taking huge amounts of RAM now, which really is annoying
[04:03] <diamond> nite folks
[05:56] <dholbach> morning
[05:56] <schweeb> hi hi
[05:56] <dholbach> hi schweeb!
[05:56] <schweeb> wassup
[05:57] <dholbach> i'm just waking up :-)
[05:57] <schweeb> have we got an updated MOTUTodo for breezy yet?
[05:57] <dholbach> nope
[05:57] <schweeb> :(
[05:57] <dholbach> i think we'll wait for the kickoff meeting later today
[05:57] <schweeb> cool
[05:58] <dholbach> we'll then hear the exact plan for UniverseCxxTransition
[05:58] <dholbach> which will be a big target
[05:58] <schweeb> been too busy to upgrade to breezy yet, so haven't really invested much time into looking for stuff to do
[05:58] <schweeb> can't really goof around at the new job like I did at the old one
[05:58] <dholbach> tomorow, i'll be in the CommunityCouncil meeting and make sure you all get approved for members
[05:58] <schweeb> awesome
[05:59] <dholbach> i can absolutely understand that - i hope you don't beat yourself up for it :-)
[05:59] <dholbach> Malone now has a bunch of stuff :-)
[05:59] <schweeb> hehe
[06:00] <dholbach> so there's enough MOTUTodo ;-)
[06:00] <schweeb> I miss my large, daily apt-get, so I need to go breezy now :)
[06:00] <dholbach> MOTUToReview and MOTUNewPackages are quite full as well
[06:00] <dholbach> breezy is particularly fine for me
[06:00] <schweeb> yea
[06:01] <schweeb> I figure it was a good idea to wait till a week or so after UdU
[06:01] <schweeb> cause everyone would come back and destabilize everything cause they're all motivated
[06:02] <dholbach> and we should spend time on team structures
[06:02] <dholbach> ... creating ...
[06:02] <schweeb> yes
[06:02] <dholbach> so it will be easier for new interested people to get in and not just "fix packages" but do something they'd love to do
[06:04] <schweeb> actually, it'd be nice to get the new laptop before I go breezy
[06:04] <schweeb> this one is quickly turning into a hunk of junk
[06:05] <dholbach> unfortunately i'll be very busy in the next weeks
[06:05] <schweeb> thesis?
[06:05] <dholbach> but i'll pop in every now and then
[06:05] <dholbach> yes
[06:05] <dholbach> i'll "register" it later today, then i'll have 3 months to finish it
[06:05] <schweeb> heh
[06:06] <dholbach> still one exam left as well, but then i'm finished
[06:06] <schweeb> I'm done with school for a while :)
[06:07] <schweeb> lol
[06:09] <dholbach> do you know why AaronLake is on CommunityCouncilAgenda?
[06:09] <schweeb> hrm
[06:09] <schweeb> lemme check
[06:09] <schweeb> membership maybe?
[06:09] <dholbach> he's already a MOTU and should be in the keyring as well
[06:09] <schweeb> right
[06:09] <dholbach> so i don't get, what he's doing there
[06:09] <schweeb> MOTU should imply membership, right
[06:09] <dholbach> nope
[06:10] <dholbach> membership (by CC) first, then MOTU approval
[06:10] <schweeb> I'll ask him tomorrow
[06:10] <schweeb> (I work with him)
[06:10] <dholbach> and if the key is good, it should go into keyring
[06:10] <dholbach> cool
[06:10] <schweeb> it was probably whiprush's doing
[06:11] <schweeb> what time is the CC meeting?
[06:11] <dholbach> i dunno yet :-(((((
[06:11] <schweeb> nice.
[06:11] <dholbach> i asked mako like 10 times
[06:15] <schweeb> yea, once I get membership, then I can blog about it, and get all fired up again :P
[06:15] <dholbach> haha! ROCK!
[06:15] <dholbach> even more Ubuntu cheerleading! :-)
[06:16] <schweeb> kinda hard not to Ubuntu cheerlead when whip's around
[06:16] <dholbach> absolutely
[06:16] <schweeb> he's like a big, cuddly, Ubuntu/Linux/GNOME cheerleader
[06:17] <dholbach> i hope i'll meet all of you soon :-)
[06:17] <schweeb> come to Detroit ;)
[06:17] <whiprush> I am not cuddly
[06:17] <dholbach> hey whiprush!
[06:17] <whiprush> hey dholbach
[06:17] <dholbach> whiprush: you ROCK!
[06:17] <whiprush> hey did you get sick after udu?
[06:17] <dholbach> no, i didnt
[06:17] <whiprush> man
[06:17] <whiprush> lucky
[06:17] <dholbach> you're alive again?
[06:17] <whiprush> yeah
[06:18] <schweeb> he's done nothing but sleep for a week
[06:18] <dholbach> what happened to you?
[06:18] <schweeb> it truly is his superpower
[06:18] <whiprush> got sick
[06:18] <whiprush> been messed up all week
[06:19] <dholbach> :-/
[06:19] <whiprush> I think I'm ok now
[06:19] <dholbach> so you're ready for  wiki/MOTUGNOME  now? ;-)
[06:20] <whiprush> well, not now
[06:20] <whiprush> in the morning I will
[06:20] <whiprush> :)
[06:20] <dholbach> don't worry
[06:21] <whiprush> whew
[06:21] <whiprush> I was worried that page would be huge
[06:21] <dholbach> but it will be nice, once we can decide on bigger matters within a team and make things happen
[06:21] <dholbach> and not just fix random packages
[06:22] <dholbach> you said it "sky will be the limit" :-)
[06:22] <whiprush> heh
[06:24] <whiprush> man
[06:24] <whiprush> universecandidates keeps getting bigger
[06:25] <dholbach> yes, and i guess it's a good time to start new packaging
[06:25] <dholbach> we're not in millions of transitions yet
[06:25] <schweeb> whiprush: why is kop on the CC agenda?
[06:25] <dholbach> and over the next months those packages have enough time stabilize until release
[06:26] <dholbach> i think, i'll dedicate a day to just review packages
[06:26] <dholbach> so we make a bit of progress
[06:26] <whiprush> he added himself iirc
[06:26] <schweeb> that'd be a good idea for a team... a few MOTUs who are dedicated to reviewing
[06:26] <whiprush> I just read up
[06:26] <whiprush> I told him, didn't know that motu meant membership
[06:27] <schweeb> he should already have it
[06:27] <dholbach> whiprush: i think he was approved by the CC already
[06:27] <whiprush> well he wasn't on the list of members
[06:27] <whiprush> k
[06:27] <whiprush> we should take him off then?
[06:27] <dholbach> i'll clarify with elmo, but i think he's already in the keyring
[06:27] <schweeb> he's already uploading
[06:27] <schweeb> afaik
[06:28] <dholbach> UbuntuMembers is WAY incomplete
[06:28] <schweeb> so, he's gotta be on it
[06:28] <whiprush> ah ok
[06:28] <dholbach> schweeb: i wouldn't like to be dedicated reviewer guy :-)
[06:28] <schweeb> heh
[06:29] <dholbach> i think it's good if everybody just has a look every now and then
[06:29] <schweeb> not necessarily dedicated, but a list of people who are willing to review that people can look at and go to
[06:29] <dholbach> when we are more MOTUs, it will be no problem any more
[06:29] <schweeb> yea
[06:29] <dholbach> i will write a mail to ubuntu-devel@ and ask the  main  guys to help out a bit
[06:30] <whiprush> hmm
[06:30] <whiprush> dude that jdong backport guy lives in our state schweeb
[06:30] <dholbach> schweeb: whish one?
[06:30] <schweeb> "Evolution becoming unusable"
[06:31] <Burgundavia> I met jdongson at LFNW
[06:31] <Burgundavia> he is the other backport guy
[06:31] <dholbach> schweeb, whiprush: i never saw a single upload from metallikop
[06:31] <whiprush> to main?
[06:31] <whiprush> I don't think he has
[06:31] <crimsun> he can't up to main
[06:31] <schweeb> not to main
[06:31] <dholbach> (apart from the ones the MOTUs did)
[06:31] <dholbach> hey crimsun, hey Burgundavia :-)
[06:32] <crimsun> lo daniel :)
[06:32] <Burgundavia> salut dholbach
[06:32] <Burgundavia> seems sane
[06:32] <Burgundavia> we talked about MOTUgames (which I have been neglecting)
[06:32] <dholbach> crimsun: you already have a xfce team in malone?
[06:33] <crimsun> dholbach: not yet, just on the wiki
[06:33] <crimsun> gah, too many passwds
[06:34] <dholbach> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/<yourlogin>/+newteam
[06:34] <dholbach> i made one for the gnome team
[06:34] <crimsun> thanks!
[06:40] <Burgundavia> ogra, you around?
[06:41] <dholbach> Burgundavia: it's still 06:40, so i suspect he's still asleep
[06:41] <dholbach> :-)
[06:43] <Burgundavia> ah
[06:44] <schweeb> you people sleep? :p
[06:44] <dholbach> Burgundavia: germany
[06:46] <Burgundavia> ah
[06:46] <Burgundavia> ok
[06:46] <Burgundavia> is quarter to 10 here
[06:46] <Burgundavia> pm
[06:47] <dholbach> sent the reviewing mail
[06:48] <crimsun> ok, MOTUXfce created on malone.
[06:48] <dholbach> how is the ID of that account?
[06:49] <crimsun> /people/motuxfce
[06:49] <schweeb> night guys
[06:49] <dholbach> HA, assigned you guys a bug ;-)
[06:49] <dholbach> sleep tight, schweeb
[06:50] <dholbach> crimsun: #584
[06:50] <crimsun> thanks
[06:51] <dholbach> unfortunately   https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/assigned?name=<ID>  seems broken atm :-/
[06:51] <dholbach> i'll add it to  MaloneUniverseWishList
[06:52] <crimsun> hmm
[06:52] <dholbach> we'll have a meeting with the malone guys presumably next week
[06:53] <Burgundavia> I am probably going to be signing the NDA to help with malone next week
[06:53] <Burgundavia> just fyi
[06:54] <dholbach> nda?
[06:54] <Burgundavia> non-disclosure agreement
[06:54] <Burgundavia> so I can see all the bugs, and join the mailing list, etc.
[06:54] <Burgundavia> provided the canonical devs accept me
[06:54] <dholbach> oh cool, you got in touch with them?
[06:55] <Burgundavia> yes, I was beating my head against a wall about malone
[06:55] <Burgundavia> and I asked about a list of malone bugs
[06:55] <Burgundavia> so I could file them without filing dups
[06:55] <dholbach> MaloneUniverseWishList is growing :-)
[06:55] <Burgundavia> and one thing led to another, and that was best solution that we could come up with
[07:51] <\sh> morning
[07:51] <ivoks> morning
[07:51] <ajmitch_> hi all
[07:52] <ivoks> anyone interested in porting initng to ubuntu/debian?
[07:56] <dholbach> hey \sh, ivoks, ajmitch_
[07:57] <ajmitch_> daniel! :)
[07:57] <ivoks> dholbach
[07:58] <ajmitch_> looks like I have to kill X, up to 600MB mem usage already
[07:58] <ajmitch_> something seriously wrong with it, I think :)
[07:58] <ivoks> shad0w1e upgrade to ext3 is without loosing data, upgrade to other filesystems needs formating partition
[07:58] <ivoks> damn
[07:59] <\sh> looks like that I have enough work for the ubuntu week ;)
[07:59] <dholbach> \sh: did you read the backlog?
[08:00] <\sh> dholbach: no..
[08:00] <\sh> dholbach: brief me shortly :)
[08:00] <dholbach> ah ok, we talked about the MOTU work since 05:57 :-)
[08:00] <\sh> dholbach: oh...at this time i was sleeping ;)
[08:01] <\sh> dholbach: i read your "cry for help" on -devel ML ;)
[08:01] <ajmitch_> dholbach: basically waiting for the kickoff meeting & the c++ transition?
[08:01] <dholbach> yeah, plus review action and team forming
[08:01] <ajmitch_> and setting up teams..
[08:01] <ajmitch_> yeah, I need to get onto reviewing as well
[08:01] <\sh> dholbach: but pyqt maintainer didn't release any new release, so  I have to prepare my patchset
[08:02] <dholbach> \sh: go ahead... i'll do a review day at the end of the week
[08:02] <\sh> I'm sick and tired of those upstream maintainers
[08:02] <\sh> dholbach: thx...there is enough in my list :)
[08:02] <dholbach> \sh: try to relax... they're humans as well
[08:03] <ajmitch_> dholbach: what do you think of having a MOTU review day where a group of us will get together & review?
[08:03] <ajmitch_> think it's possible?
[08:03] <crimsun> sure, if there's a set day and time
[08:03] <\sh> dholbach: sure they are...but pyqt is maintained on a commercial basis ;)
[08:03] <ivoks> bastrds :)
[08:04] <dholbach> ajmitch_, crimsun: i think it would be even better if we had different review days :-)
[08:04] <ajmitch_> dholbach: sure, but a common, set time might be good
[08:04] <\sh> hmm..is it possible to put me on the motu wannabe  list even if I'm not a member right now?
[08:04] <dholbach> i don't want to push people into jobs, but the more reviewers the merrier :-)
[08:04] <ajmitch_> push away ;)
[08:05] <dholbach> \sh: tomorrow should be the CC meeting
[08:05] <dholbach> although we have no time yet
[08:05] <dholbach> i will vouch for all of you who did work in the MOTU crew
[08:06] <\sh> dholbach: apr 10th it's written in the topic
[08:06] <dholbach> thanks
[08:06] <ajmitch_> if I'm not around in time for the kickoff, speak up for me doing stuff, will you? ;)
[08:07] <dholbach> ajmitch_: for each topic i will wait 10 seconds and then say "ajmitch is working on it", "ajmitch wanted to take care of it", "ajmitch is upstream maintainer", "ajmitch wanted to do that for ages", right?
[08:07] <dholbach> ;-)
[08:07] <ivoks> lol
[08:07] <\sh> *lol*
[08:07] <crimsun> ouch
[08:07] <ivoks> and then, in the end, say "ajmitch is god"
[08:08] <whiprush> it's gtk's fault, which is maintained by ajmitch.
[08:08] <ivoks> :)
[08:09] <dholbach> hahaha :-)
[08:11] <ajmitch_> dholbach: uh, maybe not quite that enthusiastic, thanks ;)
[08:11] <ajmitch_> whiprush: remember, we blame gtk boogs on dholbach now
[08:11] <\sh> hmmm
[08:12] <dholbach> and if there should ever be a broken gnome-{panel,session,...}, blame it on me :-)
[08:12] <\sh> wil wheaton runs debian
[08:12] <whiprush> file that bug in malone. Who does malone? Who else, ajmitch.
[08:12] <ajmitch_> that's why he joined the gnome team :)
[08:12] <\sh> we should encourage him with a nice gnome or kde start trek tng theme to switch to ubuntu ;)
[08:12] <ajmitch_> hey even I'm not crazy enough to work on malone
[08:13] <\sh> "ensign crusher, report to bridge, cpt. shuttleworth is awaiting your report"
[08:18] <ivoks> omg :)
[08:19] <\sh> hehehe
[08:19] <\sh> i read it on ian murdocks blog now
[08:20] <\sh> it appears to be a deja vu, might the matrix has been changed or whatever, but in the moment I'm watching star trek tng (season 1-7)
[08:20] <\sh> and now, I'm reading this, time to blog ;)
[08:27] <dholbach> dunno if you heard it, but CC meeting is on  May 10th, 16:00 UTC
[08:33] <\sh> oh..tomorrow 18hundread hours
[08:33] <\sh> then i have to come early to work
[08:33] <dholbach> \sh: if you can't make it, i'll make sure everything's alright for you
[08:37] <\sh> dholbach: thx..I hope I can make it :) well, at least i will attend a few minutes later
[08:42] <dholbach> i'm off to uni - see you later
[08:43] <\sh> harhar
[08:43] <\sh> I have it ;)
[08:45] <\sh> http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/14-Ensign-Crusher,-report-to-bridge,-Cpt.-Shuttleworth-is-awaiting-your-report.html
[08:45] <\sh> just for the fun of it ;)
[08:47] <dholbach> :-)
[08:47] <dholbach> byebye
[08:47] <\sh> cu dholbach
[10:33] <dholbach> re
[10:36] <jeld> hello all
[10:36] <jeld> I have a question about deb building, would this be the right channel to ask?
[10:41] <ogra> hi all
[10:41] <ogra> whiprush !
[10:42] <whiprush> hey ogra
[10:42] <ogra> whiprush, hey, do you read ubuntu-users ?
[10:42] <whiprush> occasionally
[10:42] <whiprush> what's up?
[10:42] <ogra> you should
[10:42] <whiprush> Well, I /try/
[10:42] <whiprush> but I usually skip over stuff
[10:42] <ogra> lots of requests for websites like spreadfirefox.com ;)
[10:42] <whiprush> oh
[10:42] <whiprush> already on that
[10:42] <whiprush> :)
[10:42] <ogra> i answered some
[10:43] <whiprush> I mailed the one guy
[10:43] <ogra> pointing people to the BOF spec
[10:43] <whiprush> I have been out all week though
[10:43] <whiprush> I am now back
[10:43] <whiprush> and THE FRIDGE is my priority.
[10:43] <dholbach> YES
[10:43] <dholbach> GIVE ME THEFRIDGE! :_)
[10:43] <thom> GET IN THE FRIDGE
[10:43] <chmj> O.o
[10:44] <whiprush> fresh from the vegetable drawer
[10:44] <ogra> since there are no mail adresses on the udu wiki, someone (you or jdub) should join the duiscussion i think
[10:44] <whiprush> I will in a few hours when I get to work.
[10:45] <ogra> to point out that someone is working on it... and to ancourage them to join forces ;)
[10:45] <whiprush> i was off to a slow start since thom infected everyone with his flu.
[10:46] <ogra> thom ?
[10:46] <ogra> nah, that was sladen
[10:46] <ogra> (I'm pretty sure)
[10:46] <whiprush> i've been told thom was patient zero
[10:46] <ogra> oh
[10:46] <whiprush> sladen was in my room though
[10:47] <thom> i'm blaming jdub, personally
[10:47] <whiprush> no wonder I almost died
[10:47] <whiprush> know if riddell got sick?
[10:49] <Riddell> whiprush: I've been in bed all week
[10:50] <dholbach> oh... poor you :-///
[10:50] <whiprush> Riddell: me too.
[10:50] <whiprush> I couldn't even go to work.
[10:50] <whiprush> curse you sladen.
[10:51] <whiprush> I will ridicule him on my blog for such insolance.
[10:51] <dholbach> jordi was pretty sick as well
[10:51] <Riddell> I havn't heard much from sladen since he went to Malbourne, I suspect he's been sent to one of those refugee centres for failing to fill in some form
[10:51] <whiprush> heh
[10:51] <tfheen> he'll just bike out of Australia back home to the UK
[10:52] <whiprush> I am content in blaming him for the plague
[10:52] <whiprush> there was one day where he was in bed the whole day
[10:52] <Riddell> that would be my bed too
[10:52] <dholbach> tfheen: haha :-)
[10:52] <whiprush> hahah
[10:52] <whiprush> yeah
[10:53] <chmj> poor sladen
[10:54] <Treenaks> Riddell: sladen was in your bed?
[10:55] <Riddell> Treenaks: yes, spreading his germs
[10:55] <ogra> heh
[10:57] <chmj> heh
[10:57] <chmj> you guys, the poor oke was sick also
[11:05] <Unfrgiven> whiprush: hey dude
[11:05] <whiprush> hey
[11:05] <dholbach> hey Unfrgiven
[11:06] <Unfrgiven> hey dholbach
[11:06] <Unfrgiven> how goes it guys
[11:06] <Unfrgiven> just got home from work and then grocery shopping
[11:07] <whiprush> I am headed to work in a minute
[11:07] <Unfrgiven> whiprush: oh i see... well have a nice day :)
[11:07] <whiprush> heh
[11:07] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: what time is it out your way?
[11:07] <whiprush> I'll have a monday
[11:07] <dholbach> 11:07
[11:07] <Unfrgiven> whiprush: :) well have a nice monday then ;)
[11:08] <dholbach> and i'm awake for 6 hours now *yawn a bit*
[11:08] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: woah... how come?
[11:08] <dholbach> i was SO tired yesterday... went to bed at 21:00
[11:08] <dholbach> now i'll prepare some black tea and get cracking on my thesis
[11:08] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: ah right... yeah im tired as today... havent slept much the last two nites... i want to have an early one tonight but i know it wont happen
[11:09] <dholbach> :-)))
[11:09] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: whats the topic of your thesis? is it for your masters?
[11:09] <dholbach> it's not a masters degree, we have different degrees in germany, but yes... i'll finish my studies with it
[11:10] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: i work on a server and a library to store user preferences remotely
[11:12] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: for your thesis?
[11:12] <dholbach> yes
[11:12] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: i meant for your masters?
[11:13] <dholbach> erm... i dunno how to answer your question
[11:13] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: hehe ok let me explain. is your thesis part of study for a degree? a phd?
[11:14] <dholbach> yes
[11:14] <dholbach> i'm a "diplom-informatiker (fh)" afterwards, if that helps you :-)
[11:16] <Fackamato> Hi
[11:16] <Fackamato> Anyone noticed that the wiki is kunda buggy?
[11:16] <Fackamato> kinda**
[11:17] <dholbach> what's going wrong?
[11:17] <thom> YES
[11:17] <thom> the wiki has always been buggy
[11:17] <Fackamato> heh
[11:17] <Fackamato> well, tried to change my password (just registered), tried two times and got errors both the times
[11:17] <Fackamato> then after a minute or so it had changed itself, forcing me to re-login
[11:18] <Fackamato> and now I tried to add a comment, but I got an error
[11:18] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: so did the author of the fast-user-switch-applet email you back? with regards to the wierd configure dependency on gdm?
[11:18] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: if you have a look at my version of it, some ./configure flags make it happen
[11:18] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: and yes the "diplom-informatiker" does help me :) sounds like a diploma
[11:18] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: yes :-)
[11:18] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: where can i find your version of it?
[11:19] <Fackamato> bah
[11:19] <dholbach> i have it on wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages as well
[11:19] <Fackamato> I've made a fool of myself
[11:19] <Fackamato> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseCandidates#bottom
[11:19] <Fackamato> D;
[11:19] <dholbach> should be ubuntu.gplan.info/<something>
[11:20] <Fackamato> I still don't understand how to just add a universe candidate
[11:20] <Fackamato> I should just edit the page?
[11:21] <Fackamato> (was looking for a "add application" button)
[11:21] <ogra> that would be cool....
[11:21] <Fackamato> so!?
[11:21] <dholbach> Fackamato: yes, just edit the wiki, that'd be nice
[11:21] <Fackamato> are you serious?
[11:21] <Burgundavia> ogra, hey
[11:22] <Fackamato> Okay, I'm editing.
[11:22] <ogra> Burgundavia, ho
[11:22] <Fackamato> Don't blame me.
[11:22] <dholbach> Fackamato: ROCK :-)
[11:22] <Burgundavia> ogra, I think I am mostly done with the UbuntuGIS page
[11:22] <ogra> Fackamato, its a wiki ;)
[11:22] <ogra> Burgundavia, looking at it
[11:22] <Burgundavia> do you want to announce the list to somewhere, to generate interest?
[11:23] <ogra> heh
[11:23] <ogra> Burgundavia, yes, i'll do
[11:23] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:24] <ogra> Burgundavia, wow, thats a heap of work you did, really cool !
[11:24] <Burgundavia> now we need people who have actually used the programs to come forward and say what is good/bad
[11:25] <Fackamato> hm
[11:25] <Fackamato> what should I type in "status"
[11:25] <Fackamato> and wtf happens if two people edits the wiki at the same time
[11:25] <Burgundavia> our wiki would probably break
[11:26] <Fackamato> ;)
[11:26] <Fackamato> YEAH BABY!
[11:26] <Fackamato> check it out
[11:26] <Unfrgiven> has the ubuntuMOTU list been created yet?
[11:26] <Fackamato> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseCandidates
[11:27] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: nope
[11:27] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: bummer... :(
[11:27] <dholbach> it usually takes some time, so no worry :-)
[11:28] <Burgundavia> I am hoping that malone will include a simple interface like Fackamato is looking for
[11:28] <Fackamato> ;)
[11:28] <Fackamato> Anyone got comments on E-UAE? :P
[11:29] <Fackamato> Or don't we have any Amiga users in here ;(
[11:30] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: i spoke to Mako at UDU about membership for myself and he said that he'd add me. still hasnt happened. anything i can do to quicken the process? is it likely to be discussed at the council meeting?
[11:31] <ogra> Unfrgiven, if its discussed, this will happen there, yes
[11:31] <Unfrgiven> ogra: awesome. how are things with you ogra? :)
[11:32] <ogra> fine thanks :)
[11:33] <Unfrgiven> ogra: has anything happened with the hardware database reporting? i'd mentioned at UDU that i'd like to get involved in its development
[11:33] <ogra> Unfrgiven, not yet...
[11:34] <ogra> Unfrgiven, fedora is asking me to help tem, they want the same...
[11:34] <Unfrgiven> ogra: oh thats good! right?
[11:34] <ogra> lets see....
[11:34] <ogra> i'm not a friend of kudzu, discover and whatever else they use
[11:34] <Burgundavia> ah
[11:35] <Unfrgiven> ogra: any idea as to when things are likely to kick off with regards to development?
[11:35] <Burgundavia> meeting today to kick off
[11:35] <ogra> very soon i guess...
[11:35] <Burgundavia> 19:00 UTC
[11:35] <ogra> lets wait what comes tinoght in the kickoff meeting
[11:35] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: i'm on the phone brb
[11:35] <ogra> s/tinoght/tonight
[11:36] <Unfrgiven> where is the meeting going to be? and what UTC time is it now?
[11:36] <Burgundavia> #ubuntu-meeting
[11:36] <Burgundavia> should be about 2 hours
[11:36] <ogra> Unfrgiven, date -u
[11:36] <Burgundavia> Unfrgiven, where do you live?
[11:36] <thom> 09:36 UTC currently
[11:37] <Unfrgiven> damn... thats like 5 am here :(
[11:38] <Unfrgiven> Burgundavia: Sydney, Australia
[11:38] <Burgundavia> ah
[11:39] <Lathiat> pff
[11:39] <Lathiat> its 3am here
[11:43] <Unfrgiven> does anyone know how i can get irssi to log all channels to separate txt files automatically? i figure ill join the channel and slepp :)
[11:44] <Burgundavia> Unfrgiven, the meeting will be logged
[11:44] <Burgundavia> fabbione does it I think
[11:47] <Lathiat> . /set autolog on
[11:55] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: i'll attend the member meeting and tell mako
[12:18] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: thanks
[12:19] <Fackamato> \o/
[12:37] <dholbach> Richte binfmt-support ein (1.2.4) ...
[12:37] <dholbach> update-binfmts: warning: /usr/share/binfmts/cli: no executable /usr/bin/cli found, but continuing anyway as you request
[12:37] <dholbach> Enabling additional executable binary formats: binfmt-support.
[12:37] <dholbach> hrm
[12:38] <ogra> mono.... ?
[12:38] <dholbach> yes
[12:39] <ogra> should depend on cli-common...
[12:40] <dholbach> no #ubuntu-mono yet? :-)
[12:41] <ogra> hmm, actually no... dli-common has only the debhelper scripts
[12:41] <ogra> cli even
[12:42] <ogra> hey, the mono team is only 3 ppl yet :) what do you expect
[12:42] <dholbach> that's how #ubuntu-motu started ;-)
[12:42] <ogra> heh.... but there was growth forseeable....
[12:43] <dholbach> you'll have<PHONE_NUMBER>9753 of users soon :-)
[12:43] <ogra> i think MOTUMono will take more time
[12:43] <ogra> then its time for a channel ;)
[12:43] <dholbach> think big!
[12:43] <ogra> but first lets have mono... then the users ;)
[12:44] <dholbach> ho, monodoc-browser is broken
[12:44] <ogra> as long as gtk-sharp is blocked you will se no apps
[12:44] <dholbach> ah ok
[12:44] <dholbach> maybe that's why
[12:44] <dholbach> but i should have never found its way to my harddisk without it
[12:45] <dholbach> *HRM*
[12:45] <\sh> what's up now? s/python/mono/?
[12:45] <\sh> qt-sharp is not stable enough ;)
[12:45] <dholbach> \sh: i just tried to install it
[12:46] <ogra> it shouldnt even have built
[12:46] <ogra> there is still a monoi-mint dependency...
[12:46] <\sh> the divitech si server broke this morning
[12:46] <\sh> the new one
[12:46] <ogra> heh
[12:47] <dholbach> ogra: just installed mono and monodoc-browser
[12:47] <\sh> and it looks like, that the Changerequest tomorrow morning will be postponed
[12:47] <ogra> be happy, so they have work for you and you wont get fired
[12:47] <ogra> dholbach, hmm, is that arch all ?
[12:47] <dholbach> you should know better than me :-)
[12:47] <\sh> ogra: well...they don't have to fire me
[12:47] <dholbach> i just ran apt-get install
[12:48] <ogra> dholbach, yep, arch all
[12:48] <\sh> ogra: this morning i got a letter from my ex-wife
[12:48] <\sh> she wants more money
[12:48] <ogra> heh, thats why i'm not married yet....
[12:48] <\sh> and if she doesn't get it until the 30.05. she wants to hire a lawyer
[12:48] <\sh> so it can be, that I will disappear for a long time ;)
[12:49] <ogra> ... but if you dont give it your ex, youll give it to the tax office
[12:49] <ogra> :)
[12:49] <\sh> south america
[12:49] <\sh> some place with no "auslieferungsvertrag"
[12:49] <ogra> heh
[12:50] <\sh> believe me or not...i'm one of those guys, who are not gay, but in the end, assfucked...sorry for the words
[12:50] <dholbach> "for open words - join the MOTU world"
[12:51] <ogra> heh
[12:59] <dholbach> bbl
[02:07] <chmj> anyone know Murray Cumming's irc nick ?
[02:10] <ogra> mcummings ?
[02:10] <thom> murrayc
[02:10] <ogra> chmj, dholbach knows the exact name... ask him if he's back
[02:10] <chmj> ok
[02:10] <ogra> ah, yes, what thiom saidd
[02:12] <ogra> rather say acer they should sell laptops with non-trampoline-keyboards ;)
[02:12] <thom> heh
[02:14] <Treenaks> ogra: acer keyboards rock!
[02:14] <ogra> gah
[02:14] <ogra> not mine
[02:16] <zul> acer hot keys support has been added to <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:16] <Treenaks> zul: acer hot keys?
[02:17] <zul> yeah support for special acer keys on their laptop
[02:17] <Treenaks> zul: All of my keys work fine..
[02:17] <zul> ah
[02:18] <ogra> Treenaks, they only send keycodes, not events...
[02:19] <Treenaks> ogra: yes.. which is Good
[02:19] <ogra> so waking up with the sleep button doesnt work...
[02:19] <Treenaks> ogra: I don't want my volume buttons to automagically work, I want them to send events
[02:19] <Treenaks> ogra: uh.. keycodes
[02:19] <ogra> heh
[02:19] <Treenaks> ogra: stop confusing me!
[02:19] <ogra> lol
[02:41] <\sh> http://www.b3ta.com/board/4577623 <- plug barbie
[02:42] <ogra> \sh, my GF wants one...
[02:42] <ogra> \sh, how is the capacity ?
[02:42] <\sh> ogra: dunno :)
[02:43] <\sh> ogra: just found it on the blog of a friend :)
[02:43] <ogra> or Action Team....
[02:44] <\sh> ogra: big jim...yes...thats my youth ;)
[02:44] <ogra> mine too, but i doubt many people in here will know it
[02:44] <ogra> \sh, we are to old :-/
[02:45] <\sh> ogra: correct...time to say goodbye ;)
[02:45] <ogra> heh, nah, not yet
[02:45] <\sh> i mean from big jim ;)
[02:45] <ogra> yeah
[02:45] <\sh> bye bye big jim ;)
[02:47] <\sh> ogra: this is better: http://kju.de/weblog/archiv/2005/04/kontrolle
[02:51] <ogra> \sh, heh, yeah, i just had all the metal detector love :)
[02:51] <ogra> i know how they feel
[03:40] <ogra> yay, sladen
[03:40] <Treenaks> hey, it's teh sladen
[04:02] <tseng|work> good morning motus
[04:03] <zul> hey tseng
[04:04] <tseng|work> looks like we'll have beagle tonight
[04:04] <tseng|work> after i fix my (jeffs) retardation
[04:04] <Treenaks> \o/
[04:04] <ogra> tseng|work, runs rocksolid since 1/2h here :)
[04:05] <tseng|work> ogra rock on
[04:05] <tseng|work> from the source on archive?
[04:05] <ogra> tseng|work, but you should drop mono-mint ;)
[04:05] <tseng|work> need to merge the damn build-dep
[04:05] <ogra> from the build-dep
[04:05] <tseng|work> ogra: I need to talk to meebey about a policy for that
[04:05] <tseng|work> like official set of base build-deps for mono
[04:05] <ogra> has debian still mint ?
[04:05] <tseng|work> yes
[04:05] <ogra> mmkay...
[04:05] <tseng|work> all the stuff we are running now is in experimental
[04:06] <tseng|work> unstable has 1.0.5
[04:06] <ogra> ah
[04:06] <ogra> blam crashes for me.... during rss update
[04:08] <tseng|work> 1.8.0?
[04:08] <tseng|work> got a message?
[04:10] <tseng|work> you can throw a mono --debug in /usr/bin/blam even
[04:13] <ogra> i'll do...
[04:13] <ogra> but it looks similar to the former version....
[04:16] <tseng|work> ogra any chance for gst-plugins-multiverse?
[04:17] <ogra> tseng|work, the package looks ok on first sight...
[04:17] <ogra> havent compiled it yet
[04:18] <tseng|work> i had trouble adding lame
[04:18] <tseng|work> ill look at that again later
[04:18] <tseng|work> so much to do!
[04:19] <tseng|work> i wonder if i should make my 2nd work pc breezy
[04:23] <tseng|work> yep, im a sucker
[04:26] <tseng|work> ogra: do you think we should try to move everything to main now, and work things out over 6 months
[04:26] <tseng|work> or put in stuff that is good now
[04:27] <thom> move everything now
[04:27] <ogra> lets wait until the kickoff is done tonight....
[04:27] <thom> you can always back out
[04:27] <ogra> yep
[04:27] <thom> but if you want testing, it's best to break people early
[04:27] <tseng|work> well not this minute
[04:27] <tseng|work> like.. this week
[04:28] <ogra> yep, lets goo
[04:28] <ogra> -o
[04:28] <tseng|work> rock on.
[04:28] <thom> breaking stuff is fun ;-)
[04:28] <ogra> yeah
[04:29] <tseng|work> so far i only break stuff on buildd, not on peoples systems :P
[04:29] <tseng|work> i got out of the habit of pbuilder for awhile
[04:29] <tseng|work> probably around the time of fire-testing builds on amd64
[04:31] <tseng|work> ugh whats up with gtk-sharp ftbfs on amd64? libvte
[04:31] <ogra> yeah, its broken...
[04:31] <tseng|work> sucks
[04:31] <ogra> elmo is already sorting it out, if i understood correctly a cron script broke
[04:31] <tseng|work> hm ok
[04:32] <tseng|work> rock on elmo!
[04:32] <\sh> when is the meeting tonight?
[04:32] <ogra> so vte4 and vte-dev were built
[04:32] <ogra> \sh, 21:00 german time
[04:32] <tseng|work> i need to go do some real work
[04:32] <ogra> bah
[04:32] <tseng|work> ill pop on later.
[04:32] <ogra> this is the real work ;)
[04:32] <tseng|work> it is, but im not getting paid for it yet
[04:32] <\sh> ogra: ah good time...i will listen to the discussion ;)
[04:34] <ogra> tseng|work, use lintian and get rid of the warnings, else the gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse look fine
[04:36] <tseng|work> rock on
[04:36] <tseng|work> ill work on getting -lame building
[04:36] <ogra> great
[04:38] <\sh> we should update lintian..the checks are sometimes horrible
[04:40] <\sh> especially for the migration of .desktop files...cause not all desktop will go (in the moment) to /usr/share/applications
[04:46] <\sh> i'll go home...laters
[05:05] <tseng|work> ouch remind me to add libdbus-cil dep manually to muine
[05:05] <tseng|work> or fix cli-common
[05:07] <ogra> oh, yeah
[05:23] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: arrived? :-)
[05:24] <Nafallo> dooh! that's an automatic Mithrandir :-P
[06:29] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[06:38] <Amaranth> hey
[07:02] <dholbach> re
[07:32] <dholbach> i think i will highlight "backport" for now and bash random people *grtmbl*
[07:32] <ogra> heh
[07:32] <Amaranth> heh
[07:33] <Amaranth> i like the hoary-extras part of it
[07:33] <ogra> dholbach, anybody special in mind ?
[07:33] <Amaranth> dunno why my app went into their universe repo though, it's not in breezy
[07:33] <dholbach> #ubuntu-de
[07:33] <herve> heya!
[07:33] <dholbach> hey herve
[07:34] <dholbach> ogra: please say "backports sind bse", kthxbye
[07:34] <dholbach> ogra: thanks
[07:34] <ogra> heh
[07:35] <herve> les backports, c'est mal (TM)
[07:35] <bddebian> Heya herve
[07:36] <dholbach> oui, ils me donne les mals  la tte ;-)
[07:36] <ogra> lol
[07:37] <herve> que la tte ? :-)
[07:37] <herve> ok, let's stop here!
[07:38] <dholbach> it was wrong, right? :-)
[07:39] <herve> er...
[07:39] <herve> yes :-)
[07:40] <dholbach> at least my i knew i couldnt trust my french... that's at least something :-)
[07:40] <herve> you need a cultural immersion!
[07:42] <herve> so
[07:42] <herve> who feel brave enough to upload some fixup of mine?
[07:43] <dholbach> you're not in the keyring yet?
[07:43] <whiprush> tseng: booyah thanks for beagle!
[07:44] <dholbach> herve: ^^^
[07:44] <Amaranth> beagle is in now?
[07:44] <ogra> but doesnt build yet
[07:44] <Amaranth> :/
[07:44] <herve> dholbach, last time I tried, it was silently ignored
[07:45] <ogra> Amaranth, minor stuff
[07:45] <herve> dholbach, then tseng tried for me (as I remember) and was told his key was unknown
[07:45] <Amaranth> /ubuntu/dists/breezy/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz: MD5Sum mismatch <-hmm
[07:45] <Amaranth> perhaps the mirror is updating
[07:47] <dholbach> herve: <elmo> dholbach: no, I'll do that in a  bit
[07:48] <dholbach> herve: where is the fix? deb.oursours.net?
[07:48] <herve> dholbach, I sent him a mail
[07:48] <herve> http://deb.oursours.net/motu/pending
[07:48] <dholbach> herve: both?
[07:49] <dholbach> argl... i won't be able to upload 9.4mb
[07:49] <dholbach> won't happen
[07:49] <herve> dholbach, who cares about ttf-larabie anyway? :-)
[07:49] <dholbach> right
[07:50] <herve> I'll upload it when I'm in the keyring
[07:50] <herve> this server has much upload bandwidth
[07:55] <dholbach> herve: wow... you're the patch-machine
[07:56] <herve> :-p
[07:56] <herve> and the cvs patches stealer :-)
[07:57] <dholbach> herve: uploaded
[07:57] <herve> rock!
[08:03] <herve> dholbach, also I have sent all these patches to the BTS
[08:04] <dholbach> wow
[08:04] <dholbach> !
[08:07] <herve> that's the least you can expect from me ;-)
[08:09] <elmo> herve: did you mail upload/keyring with your details?
[08:11] <herve> elmo, I mailed you directly as I remember
[08:11] <herve> dholbach, rejected for the same reasons as tseng
[08:12] <dholbach> herve: it's in main
[08:12] <dholbach> that's why *grmbl*
[08:12] <dholbach> i hope they guys approve me for main uploads in the next TB meeting
[08:12] <herve> ?
[08:12] <herve> never saw that
[08:12] <herve> I'll rather ask seb128 then
[08:13] <dholbach> yes... that's what i'd do
[08:13] <herve> elmo, I mailed your address at canonical, you want me to send another to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[08:13] <elmo> no, it's fine
[08:13] <elmo> I found it
[08:13] <herve> I have a bigger issue now, anyway :)
[08:15] <herve> hmm... packages.ubuntu.com say dia is in universe
[08:15] <dholbach> apt-cache show dia
[08:15] <herve> unless it changed for breezy
[08:15] <ogra> argl... the kernel build failed because of docbook errors... hrm
[08:15] <dholbach> dia-gnome isnt
[08:15] <dholbach> i meant "showsrc"
[08:15] <herve> ogra, and since docs are compiled at the end... your compile failed at 90%? sweet :-)
[08:16] <ogra> herve, not mine, fabbiones
[08:16] <herve> haggai, the buildds
[08:16] <herve> sorry haggai...
[08:16] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/l/linux-source-2.6.12/<IP_ADDRESS>-1.1/linux-source-2.6.12_<IP_ADDRESS>-1.1_20050509-1551-i386-failed
[08:16] <ogra> thats a HUGE buildlog
[08:16] <herve> that's a huge package ;-)
[08:16] <thom> glad it succeeded on amd64 though ;-)
[08:17] <Amaranth> damn, i really wanted that crack
[08:17] <dholbach> thom: the kernel works for you on amd64?
[08:17] <herve> it's unreleased kernel guys, I hope you know what you're doing :-)
[08:17] <dholbach> thom: if it's the same as on people.u.c/~fabbione, it broke my box every 30m
[08:18] <thom> dholbach: oh really? i've not rebooted yet, was just commenting i was glad it'd build
[08:18] <thom> built
[08:18] <ogra> dholbach, oh ?
[08:18] <Amaranth> are SSE/SSE2 used on amd64?
[08:18] <ogra> dholbach, worksforme
[08:18] <dholbach> hrmhrmhrm
[08:18] <ogra> since some days
[08:19] <dholbach> it just "rebooted"
[08:19] <ogra> hmm
[08:19] <Amaranth> "error connecting to "www.oasis-open.org" (Connection timed out)"
[08:19] <dholbach> "broke and booted new" would be more appropriate, nothing in the system logs
[08:19] <lamont> ogra: is openjade bug (it requires net access)
[08:20] <ogra> lamont, yep, i know that one...
[08:21] <lamont> it's been fixed at least once or twice before (or simillarly identical things)
[08:22] <herve> dholbach, hmm... by the way
[08:22] <herve> am I offically a motu now? how can I tell?
[08:22] <ogra> i think i saw this with scrollkeeper and glade packages too.... its easy to fix with a locally provided dtd i think
[08:22] <dholbach> herve: you're on wiki/MOTU
[08:22] <ogra> :)
[08:23] <herve> and I didn't know!
[08:23] <herve> :-)
[08:24] <herve> I thought I would have a plastic card or something ;-)
[08:24] <ogra> we're planning t-shirts :)
[08:24] <dholbach> business cards and @ubuntu.com mail adresses as well
[08:25] <herve> and a ubuntu tie? :-)
[08:25] <ogra> argh
[08:25] <Amaranth> your very own ubuntu jet? :)
[08:25] <dholbach> be modest :-)
[08:26] <herve> a bicycle?
[08:26] <dholbach> being a MOTU itself is an honour :-)
[08:26] <Amaranth> your very own ubuntu model plane? :D
[08:26] <dholbach> a model rocket! :-)
[08:27] <herve> a VIP entry in concerts
[08:29] <ogra> but only the special ones.... ana mouskouri, david hasselhoff :)
[08:29] <ogra> nana even
[08:29] <dholbach> we should have a t-shirt logo competition and decide in the next motu meeting
[08:30] <dholbach> to make the t-shirt-idea finally TAKE OFF :-)
[08:30] <herve> ogra, don't tell me you know nana mouskouri!
[08:30] <dholbach> who doesnt know her?
[08:30] <herve> I tought she was only known in france
[08:30] <ogra> herve, i'm 35 ....
[08:30] <dholbach> and i'm 26, but i still know her :-)
[08:30] <ogra> herve, thats what was on tv when i was achild
[08:30] <dholbach> not personally, but ... :-)
[08:31] <herve> I thought it was french-only...
[08:32] <doko> dholbach: I thought I know your glasses, now I'm sure :-P
[08:32] <dholbach> hahahaaaa :-))))
[08:32] <ogra> lol
[08:33] <dholbach> doko: you rock! :-)
[08:34] <elmo> dholbach: is there anyone else you're aware of, waiting on me for keys?
[08:34] <herve> hmm...
[08:35] <herve> I can't remember his name
[08:35] <herve> the motu before me
[08:35] <ogra> tritium ?
[08:35] <dholbach> elmo: how is the status for AaronLake (metallikop)? it was ages ago, but he set himself on the CCAgenda
[08:35] <dholbach> tritium will be discussed in tomorrows CC meeting
[08:35] <herve> ogra, no, he was spanish I think
[08:35] <ogra> koke ?
[08:35] <dholbach> koke, Jorge Bernal
[08:35] <herve> ha yes
[08:35] <elmo> koke I did
[08:36] <dholbach> he made it in, even uploaded some packages
[08:36] <herve> ok
[08:36] <ogra> i think he was sorted
[08:36] <dholbach> if metallikop made it in (and i'm quite sure about it), i remove him from the CCAgenda
[08:36] <elmo> metallikop is in
[08:36] <Amaranth> breezy meeting is on 30 minutes?
[08:36] <elmo>   * [Sat, 19 Mar 2005 08:38:07 GMT]  {Added [Upload] } Aaron Lake (work<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:36] <ogra> yep
[08:36] <dholbach> *shake head in disbelief*
[08:37] <dholbach> tomorrow's CC will be LONG
[08:37] <\sh> re
[08:37] <herve> elmo, got you mail, thanks!
[08:37] <dholbach> champagne!
[08:37] <elmo> dholbach: whine, don't say that
[08:37] <dholbach> elmo: i will prepare a list of guys i can absolutely vouch for, so we can maybe speed things up a bit
[08:37] <herve> heya \sh!
[08:38] <\sh> hey herve...how u doing
[08:38] <herve> i'm a complete motu now! :-)
[08:38] <dholbach> elmo: and we should have a <needs-to-FINALLY-show-up>-section on the wiki page
[08:38] <\sh> herve: well done :)
[08:39] <herve> there was someone who seems to have disappear
[08:39] <herve> q-funk
[08:39] <dholbach> yes
[08:39] <herve> he couldn't get used to being calm? :-)
[08:39] <ogra> mako asked him to put some more stuff on his wiki page...
[08:39] <herve> that was long ago
[08:39] <ogra> he didnt like to or didnt know what....
[08:39] <\sh> i hope i have finished my how to
[08:39] <herve> maybe the second CC meeting
[08:40] <\sh> until next weekend
[08:40] <herve> so he is MIA :-)
[08:42] <\sh> all engine engaged
[08:44] <dholbach> elmo: unfortunately only 3 people i could move to "another section"
[08:45] <elmo> dholbach: oh well, thanks for trying
[08:45] <dholbach> i could add a MOTU section or something... hrm
[08:51] <\sh> hmmm...i should prepare some coffee
[09:00] <\sh> jesus this will be an adventure
[09:01] <abarbaccia> dholbach, hey - i'm here
[09:02] <Amaranth> abarbaccia: We're all in the meeting right now. :)
[09:02] <abarbaccia> im watching - what fun!
[09:04] <dholbach> abarbaccia: we're the guys taking care of the universe component of ubuntu and most of the ubuntu developers start in the MOTU crew
[09:05] <dholbach> wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU has a couple of (incomplete) documents on what we do, how to get there and why it is fun :-)
[09:17] <ajmitch_> hi all :)
[09:17] <dholbach> hey ajmitch_
[09:17] <herve> hi ajmitch_
[09:18] <ajmitch_> dholbach: don't worry, you don't have to volunteer me for too much ;)
[09:18] <dholbach> ok :-)
[09:21] <crimsun> I'm glad I happened to rescreen then ;)
[09:21] <ajmitch_> sounds more like the JaneW fanclub in there now ;)
[09:35] <dholbach> hey tseng|work
[09:35] <tritium> Hi everyone!
[09:36] <herve> hi tritium !
[09:36] <crimsun> lo tritium
[09:36] <dholbach> tritium: hey michael
[09:36] <ajmitch_> tseng|work: you're lucky, they haven't hit mono on the list yet
[09:36] <crimsun> bets on how long this kickoff meeting lasts? ;)
[09:37] <dholbach> 2h30m
[09:37] <ajmitch_> crimsun: a long long time - I've got work in 20 minutes :(
[09:37] <tritium> 3h
[09:37] <ajmitch_> hey bradb
[09:37] <bradb> hey ajmitch_
[09:37] <crimsun> ajmitch_: ouch.
[09:37] <bradb> dholbach: 16:00? i thought we said 20:00 :)
[09:38] <bradb> cool :)
[09:39] <ajmitch_> ah, I'll be at work then, can still make the meeting :)
[09:39] <bradb> heh
[09:41] <tseng|work> hey dudes
[09:41] <whiprush> hey tseng|work
[09:41] <tseng|work> ajmitch_: is mono on a list?
[09:41] <dholbach> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/temp/specs
[09:42] <tseng|work> and where are we?
[09:42] <ajmitch_> UDU bofs, kickoff meeting, #ubuntu-meeting
[09:42] <dholbach> OEMInstaller
[09:42] <tseng|work> in an hour and twenty minutes ill start my long drive home
[09:42] <tseng|work> so
[09:42] <ajmitch_> currently going through the high priority specs
[09:42] <tseng|work> yes
[09:43] <tseng|work> maybe when we get to medium i can ask to move it up
[09:43] <ajmitch_> and we've been at it for 40 minutes already :)
[09:43] <tseng|work> yes
[09:43] <tseng|work> i dont really have time for this
[09:43] <ajmitch_> neither do I, I've got to be at work in 15 min
[09:43] <crimsun> check back in a couple hours; I'm sure we'll still be there and lively
[09:43] <crimsun> ;)
[09:43] <tseng|work> well ill sit in
[09:43] <ajmitch_> but I'll reconnect about 10 min after I leave
[09:43] <ogra> bradb, we have breezy-kickoff meeting in #ubuntu-meeting, HwdbMaloneIntegration is on the topic list...
[09:44] <tseng|work> someone ping me and go nuts if i miss mono
[09:44] <tseng|work> or something
[09:44] <ajmitch_> sure
[09:44] <ogra> tseng|work, we'll care for yu
[09:44] <ajmitch_> we'll just volunteer you for it
[09:44] <ajmitch_> it's only assigning people to tasks
[09:44] <tseng|work> thanks
[09:44] <tseng|work> ill hopefulyl still be here
[09:45] <tseng|work> (these could be less stressful I imagine)
[09:45] <ajmitch_> I delegated dholbach to volunteer me for things if I'm away :)
[09:45] <tseng|work> like
[09:45] <tseng|work> broken up
[09:45] <tseng|work> 2 or 3 meetings
[09:45] <ajmitch_> dude
[09:45] <ajmitch_> beagle is broken
[09:45] <tseng|work> dude no shit
[09:45] <tseng|work> :D
[09:45] <tseng|work> ill fix it at home
[09:45] <crimsun> mono isn't running on my toaster :(
[09:46] <tseng|work> just a build-dep
[09:46] <ajmitch_> yeah, looks simple
[09:46] <tseng|work> if anyone asks I blame jeff
[09:46] <ajmitch_> I could fix now & upload if you want?
[09:46] <tseng|work> you could
[09:46] <tseng|work> i have limited access through the firewall
[09:46] <ajmitch_> alright
[09:46] <tseng|work> (at work)
[09:47] <ogra> ajmitch_, could you wait until gtk-sharp built on amd64 ?
[09:47] <ogra> must happen the next minutes
[09:47] <ajmitch_> ogra: sure, I'll upload when I'm at work then
[09:47] <ogra> yeah
[09:47] <crimsun> (the amd64 buildds are down until the archive's fixed)
[09:47] <ogra> its just the mint dependency...
[09:47] <ajmitch_> ah
[09:48] <ajmitch_> crimsun: what breakage?
[09:48] <crimsun> ajmitch_: hoary's bash broke cron.daily
[09:48] <Amaranth> so that's why everything died...
[09:48] <crimsun> yep
[09:49] <ajmitch_> lovely
[09:49] <tseng|work> its not mint ogra
[09:49] <tseng|work> for beagle anyway
[09:49] <ogra> oh ?
[09:49] <tseng|work> but mint does need to foad
[09:49] <tseng|work> its sqlite on amd 64
[09:49] <tseng|work> er
[09:49] <tseng|work> on x86
[09:49] <tseng|work> missing build-dep
[09:50] <ogra> i thought i saw mint ....
[09:50] <tseng|work> maybe
[09:50] <tseng|work> but x86 doesnt use mint
[09:50] <tseng|work> we can fix both
[09:50] <tseng|work> we rock that hard
[09:50] <ajmitch_> ok, volunteer me for WirelessNetworkManagement if I'm not back by then - time for me to go
[09:50] <ajmitch_> bbiab
[09:50] <dholbach> mono team! :-)
[09:50] <ogra> heh
[09:50] <ogra> yeah
[09:51] <bradb> ogra: it's not a 1.0 thing, so i should probably avoid putting much more thought into it for now; having said that, i think we did well capturing thoughts on the subject in Sydney.
[09:51] <tseng|work> bbiaf
[09:52] <ogra> bradb, hmm, so will it or will it not be a breezy goal ? i guess its up to me to care for the distro side
[09:53] <bradb> put it this way: it's not on the list of things for me to have to think about leading up July 1 :) after that, it's hard to predict what we'll want to do next.
[09:54] <ogra> hmm... then i'll defer it for the distro too...
[09:55] <ogra> hmm, or just include the id in the bugtext for a start...
[10:02] <bradb> ogra: yeah, i think that's a good workaround at first.
[10:02] <ogra> ok
[10:02] <tritium> hey there trulux
[10:02] <trulux> hey tritium
[10:13] <tseng|work> am i still on?
[10:13] <crimsun> yes
[10:13] <crimsun> ^ tseng|work
[10:23] <herve> anyone with a breezy pbuild env?
[10:23] <herve> I can't set one up
[10:24] <Nafallo> herve: yea.
[10:24] <Nafallo> herve: there is an excellent wiki ;-)
[10:24] <Nafallo> herve: try with hoary and then dist-upgrade...
[10:24] <herve> good one
[10:24] <dholbach> herve: i upgraded a hoary one
[10:24] <Nafallo> dholbach: you actually have to ;-). breezy fails :-P.
[10:24] <herve> ha! I'm not mad!
[10:25] <herve> I mean... not about this :-)
[10:27] <ajmitch_> heh
[10:28] <herve> meeting? oops...
[10:29] <GheRivero> res
[10:29] <dholbach> herve: #ubuntu-meeting - breezy kickoff
[10:43] <herve> dholbach, hasn't it started yet?
[10:43] <dholbach> it has
[10:43] <herve> how far did they kick it, it the end? :-)
[10:43] <ajmitch_> herve: it started about 2 hours ago
[10:44] <dholbach> 1h43m ago
[10:44] <ajmitch_> they're about halfway through the list
[10:44] <Nafallo> herve: 15m left :-P
[10:44] <herve> I'll read the report, then :-)
[10:44] <dholbach> no... it will take longer :-)
[10:44] <Nafallo> dholbach: ahh, it's allowed to. I thought there would be a second meeting...
[10:45] <herve> good... I can't set up a hoary pbuild either...
[10:46] <Nafallo> herve: no? why?
[10:46] <crimsun> a hoary pbuilder shouldn't be problematic; where are you hitching?
[10:46] <siretart> hey there
[10:46] <crimsun> lo siretart
[10:47] <tritium> herve, did you work on dia?
[10:47] <crimsun> yep, he did.
[10:47] <herve> tritium, just uploaded by seb128 :-))
[10:47] <siretart> I see the next CommunityCouncil is going to start tomorrow afternoon, right?
[10:47] <tritium> herve, I saw :)  awesome
[10:47] <crimsun> siretart: yep
[10:47] <herve> tritium, and I can even upload by myself now!
[10:47] <siretart> crimsun: I don't think I can make it :(
[10:47] <tritium> herve, yay!
[10:48] <herve> hey! that's really my name in breezy.changes!
[10:48] <tseng|work> rock on dude
[10:48] <ajmitch_> bddebian: thank :P
[10:49] <bddebian> :)
[10:49] <ajmitch_> bddebian: now what use was that?
[10:49] <herve> now I'll watch the build logs with extra care :-)
[10:49] <bddebian> ajmitch_: Get crackin' ;-P
[10:49] <ajmitch_> tseng|work: yeah, I'll do universe security
[10:49] <tseng|work> rock on dude
[10:49] <ajmitch_> want me to volunteer you too?
[10:49] <tseng|work> yes
[10:49] <herve> Nafallo, "E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'dzhandle restart-pending-instances'
[10:49] <herve> "
[10:49] <ogra> herve !
[10:49] <tseng|work> and pitti knows the other 2 dudes
[10:50] <herve> ogra !
[10:50] <siretart> crimsun: mako has had a look at the MaintainerCandidates the last time. Do they need to reappear tomorrow? This question (from dholbach) left unaswered the last meeting
[10:50] <ajmitch_> great
[10:50] <ogra> herve, applause !!
[10:50] <dholbach> herve: remove some crack from /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/.....
[10:50] <Nafallo> tseng: you to ;-). atleast me :-).
[10:50] <dholbach> :-)
[10:50] <herve> dholbach, okay, will clean up
[10:50] <crimsun> siretart: for maintainership they'll need to be at TB. If they've already been approved as members, there's no need unless they wish to.
[10:51] <tseng|work> nafallo: no nick -> name association y et
[10:51] <herve> hi koke, my fellow motu colleague :-)
[10:51] <Nafallo> tseng: Christian Bjlevik, *shakes hands* :-)
[10:51] <koke> hi!
[10:52] <koke> shit, I missed the kickoff meeting??
[10:52] <Nafallo> koke: ongoing
[10:53] <tritium> siretart, I plan on being there
[10:53] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/temp/specs  <-- koke
[10:53] <dholbach> #ubuntu-meeting
[10:53] <Nafallo> that url...
[10:53] <ogra> koke, we are at PDASupport
[10:54] <koke> thanks :D
[10:54] <ogra> ;)
[10:54] <ajmitch_> hey koke  :)
[10:55] <siretart> tritium: could you excuse me for tomorrow? I still would like to become a member, but I cannot attend tomorrow. Last time, Mako had no objections, but alone, he couldn't approve me
[10:56] <dholbach> siretart: we'll work it out
[10:56] <tritium> siretart, I'll let them know that you can't attend
[10:56] <siretart> dholbach: tritium: thank you both! *hug* :)
[10:57] <dholbach> :-)
[10:57] <tritium> siretart, sure :)
[11:00] <crimsun> welp, we've passed the 2-hr mark =)
[11:05] <\sh> crimsum: when u have time tomorrow after coc meeting it would be nice to talk to you about some things with pyqt and pykde
[11:06] <crimsun> \sh: sure!
[11:07] <\sh> i saw u already prepared the actual package for 3.14.1 :) and I made some patches for pykde to work properly with call-by-ref things in kde
[11:07] <crimsun> great
[11:20] <koke> bradb: are u around??
[11:20] <bradb> koke: yes
[11:20] <koke> can I add packages to malone?
[11:20] <koke> there's no pypanel package
[11:23] <bradb> koke: i'll get back to you on that in a few minutes. i have to find out if we've added a way to add packages by-hand yet.
[11:23] <ajmitch_> that reminds me, can I be on the MOTU team on malone, please?
[11:24] <dholbach> ajmitch_: dunno who made it
[11:24] <ajmitch_> ogra
[11:24] <koke> thx, anyway I think I'm going to fix it before filing the bug ;)
[11:24] <abarbaccia> hey guys - can ask about things i see wrong with ubuntu and we can find solutions to them
[11:24] <ogra> ??
[11:24] <abarbaccia> or things i would like to help make better
[11:24] <ajmitch_> and then if we can see bugs assigned to a team, it'll be all good
[11:24] <ajmitch_> ogra: you're listed as team leader
[11:25] <ogra> ah, yes... i'll add you
[11:25] <ajmitch_> thanks
[11:25] <ajmitch_> might as well add the other MOTUs
[11:25] <ogra> yep
[11:25] <crimsun> that'd be swell :)
[11:25] <Nafallo> ogra: I was amazed the other day that there were only two MOTUs :-P
[11:26] <ajmitch_> then we can do other teams, like Mono :)
[11:26] <ogra> :-P
[11:26] <dholbach> abarbaccia: like what?
[11:26] <ajmitch_> still working on beagle, btw
[11:26] <ajmitch_> just getting the last of the build deps
[11:26] <herve> if there's a motu team on malone, I hope I'm part of it :-)
[11:26] <herve> hi ivoks
[11:27] <abarbaccia> dholbach, well, i would like to see beagle integrated into ubuntu - i think its a really powerful tool that needs to be included - also, firefox crashes when you go to print (dont know if its a firefox bug or an ubuntu issue)
[11:27] <abarbaccia> and there is no good media player under gnome packaged with ubuntu
[11:27] <ogra> abarbaccia, were working on it
[11:27] <dholbach> launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone is a good start
[11:27] <ajmitch_> abarbaccia: beagle will go into main
[11:27] <ivoks> hi all
[11:27] <abarbaccia> ajmitch_, that sounds great
[11:27] <ajmitch_> all those things are being worked on :)
[11:27] <abarbaccia> hahaha
[11:27] <herve> abarbaccia, rhythmbox?
[11:28] <\sh> well...there is no good media player for kde as well...;)
[11:28] <\sh> kaffeine is broken
[11:28] <ogra> rhythmbox ?
[11:28] <abarbaccia> herve, right now i use amarok because it is SO much better than all the rest - but its annoying because of kde and the font issues and such
[11:28] <\sh> noatun is i wont discuss is right now
[11:28] <ivoks> \sh amarok
[11:28] <\sh> ivoks: has problems with basic quth icecast streams
[11:28] <abarbaccia> \sh, amarok is superior
[11:28] <\sh> upstream problems
[11:28] <siretart> how long does it take for katie to install an ACCEPTED package into the archive usually?
[11:29] <crimsun> siretart: every 5 minutes
[11:29] <crimsun> :0, :5, ...
[11:29] <siretart> hm
[11:29] <abarbaccia> regardless - i would like to see some decent audio player
[11:29] <abarbaccia> and beagle having hte ability to search my thunderbird mail - for some reason it doesn't like it
[11:29] <crimsun> siretart: if you aren't in the keyring, your upload is silently rejected
[11:29] <herve> abarbaccia, i think the definition of "decent audio player" is up to everyone
[11:29] <\sh> abarbaccia: I'm using amarok for my local mp3...but strange thing is, xmms is right now my fav for mp3/ogg live streams
[11:29] <crimsun> siretart: and make sure you uploaded to ubuntu, not debian ;)
[11:30] <siretart> crimsun: I uploaded it to debian (not myself. via sponsor), it got accepted there and got auto synced to ubuntu
[11:30] <\sh> herve: well...the routines of xmms as a lib and implemented in a real nice env for gnome and kde would be fine...but for this, we need to get rid of arts and esd ;)
[11:30] <abarbaccia> \sh, yes-  i m not sure what's out there GTK2 wise but theres gotta be a comaritive replacement to amarok thats not designed for kde
[11:30] <herve> ha yes, is polyaudio up for breezy?
[11:30] <crimsun> siretart: ah
[11:31] <herve> or still too young?
[11:31] <siretart> crimsun: 7 hours ago ;)
[11:31] <crimsun> herve: it's being investigated
[11:31] <ogra> herve, it was unmaintained during horay
[11:31] <ogra> herve, upstream
[11:31] <herve> sad to hear
[11:31] <ogra> it has found a new maintainer recently
[11:31] <abarbaccia> alright - what can i help out on?  like to learn before i try something complicated
[11:31] <crimsun> herve: it's one of the options, but dmix is the focus
[11:31] <abarbaccia> better yet - who wants to adopt me
[11:31] <ivoks> well... there is special version of rhythmbox
[11:32] <ivoks> crimsun i think dmix is better choice
[11:32] <crimsun> abarbaccia: we don't really have adopters, since we mentor each other
[11:32] <ivoks> crimsun i tried polypaudio and... it lacks support from other
[11:32] <ogra> abarbaccia, just join the group ;)
[11:32] <herve> abarbaccia, you're a two-month kitten? yes, I would adopt you :-)
[11:32] <ivoks> gstreamer plugin is rather new... and... it should pass some time
[11:32] <ivoks> :)
[11:33] <abarbaccia> lol - never cute enough...
[11:33] <abarbaccia> guess im gonna have to hang out for a bit and learn what's going on - then take it from there
[11:34] <ajmitch_> :)
[11:34] <herve> ogra, new pygtk, still no canvas :-)
[11:34] <ajmitch_> yay, beagle built
[11:34] <ogra> ivoks, there are some bad issues with dmix....there are a lot apps that have libesd hardcoded (mainly games) ....
[11:34] <ogra> ajmitch_, yay
[11:34] <abarbaccia> ajmitch_, are you in control of beagle?
[11:35] <\sh> abarbaccia: do yourself a favour and run fast, here r some guys who are giving u much trouble if u don't take care ;)
[11:35] <ogra> herve, but we'll have wobbly windows soon ;) who needs canvas then :)
[11:35] <ajmitch_> abarbaccia: nope, we have a mono team though
[11:35] <\sh> one minute not listening puff there is a new project
[11:35] <herve> ogra, ours grandmothers? :-)
[11:35] <herve> s/ours/our
[11:35] <ogra> abarbaccia, we dont have _real_ personal packages, everything in universe is a team effort
[11:36] <ogra> herve, heh
[11:36] <ivoks> ogra yes, but u can configure esd to drop /dev/dsp after 1-2 seconds
[11:36] <koke> w00t!: /bin/sh: tar: command not found
[11:36] <ivoks> ogra and you don't have problem :)
[11:36] <\sh> dholbach: what do u think about a coding day @ ogra's inn? ,-)
[11:36] <herve> koke, check your PATH... or your filesystem!
[11:36] <abarbaccia> ogra, i see i see - so the best i can do here is hang out and find something that needs working on?
[11:36] <koke> file-roller is crazy
[11:36] <ajmitch_> abarbaccia: so far in the last couple of days, tseng, ogra & now myself have touched beagle :)
[11:36] <ogra> ivoks, anyway, if you want to do it right you have to fix a lot
[11:36] <\sh> abarbaccia: check malone and take some things
[11:36] <ivoks> ogra that's true...
[11:37] <abarbaccia> malone?
[11:37] <\sh> http://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone
[11:37] <ogra> abarbaccia, url of our bugtracker (see topic)
[11:37] <herve> abarbaccia, when you set up a patch (or better, a prepared source package) reviewers will check and upload it
[11:38] <\sh> herve: hehe ;) you forgot "wait"
[11:38] <herve> \sh, and fear my will! muhahaha!
[11:38] <herve> :-)
[11:39] <\sh> herve: "^GYou have packages to review" ;)
[11:40] <crimsun> what do you need uploaded?
[11:40] <herve> koke, you can't upload yet? now I can :-)
[11:40] <koke> herve: I'm still waiting :(
[11:40] <herve> argh!
[11:40] <ajmitch_> ogra: what broke?
[11:40] <herve> we told elmo an hour ago it's ok for you...
[11:40] <koke> http://amedias.org/~koke/debian/breezy/ : sqlobject & pypanel
[11:40] <ogra> gtk-sharp built on A M D 64 !!!
[11:40] <ogra> finally
[11:40] <crimsun> woo
[11:40] <koke> they were hidden from the transition
[11:40] <jabra> hey all
[11:41] <dholbach> \sh: when's that?
[11:41] <\sh> dholbach: next month? ;)
[11:41] <dholbach> we'll see :-)
[11:41] <herve> next month? I'm free :-)
[11:41] <\sh> dholbach: right now i can't afford the trip  ;)
[11:41] <\sh> ok..that's setteled ;)
[11:41] <ajmitch_> ogra: yay!
[11:42] <ajmitch_> ogra: just setting up my new breezy box for uploads :)
[11:42] <abarbaccia> ajmitch_, when you are building beagle - see if you can compile it with the mozilla engine and see if it indexes thunderbird mail
[11:42] <ogra> unlikely
[11:42] <elmo> koke: sorry, I really thought I'd done your key.  really done now
[11:42] <\sh> ogra: is it ok with u? ;)
[11:43] <herve> hi jabra
[11:43] <ogra> sure
[11:43] <herve> koke, yeah! gimme five!
[11:43] <jabra> been working to update my getwifi tool
[11:43] <\sh> ogra: ok.. noted somehow in june meeting at ogra's inn ;)
[11:43] <ivoks> uh... i'm so frustrated and angry...
[11:43] <ajmitch_> elmo: thanks
[11:43] <ogra> \sh, yep
[11:44] <herve> ivoks?
[11:44] <koke> argh, I almost fucked my second upload
[11:44] <ivoks> herve politics...
[11:44] <koke> :D
[11:44] <ajmitch_> koke: wrong ditro in changelog?
[11:44] <Nafallo> koke: ohh. was she pretty? :-)
[11:45] <ivoks> herve I'm listening what Carla del Ponte (Haag) said about Croatia and... oh my god...
[11:45] <koke> nope, I had binaries built too
[11:45] <ivoks> if that's EU... we don't need it
[11:46] <ivoks> did u see dashboard on tiger?
[11:46] <\sh> ivoks: whats up?
[11:46] <ivoks> gdesklets and superkaramba is much better than that :)
[11:46] <abarbaccia> ivoks, it seems pretty slick - but how much of it will you actually use?
[11:46] <ivoks> abarbaccia man, when running, takes 80% proc :)
[11:46] <ajmitch_> ah, looks like I need to reboot to use this USB mouse :)
[11:47] <ivoks> \sh with what? politics? :)
[11:47] <ogra> ajmitch_, yeah, breezy love
[11:47] <herve> phfew... these are not worth hotbabe! :-)
[11:47] <abarbaccia> ivoks, what do you mean? the dashboard on Mac Tiger?
[11:47] <ivoks> abarbaccia yeah
[11:47] <Nafallo> ehm? reboot for usb? something is badly broken? ;-)
[11:47] <ajmitch_> ogra: worse - windows XP
[11:47] <ogra> argh
[11:47] <ivoks> abarbaccia run top and start dashboard
[11:47] <ajmitch_> I'm at work :)
[11:48] <abarbaccia> ivoks, WOW - that's terrible - what machine were you running
[11:48] <abarbaccia> ivoks, i don't have a mac
[11:48] <ivoks> abarbaccia iMac
[11:48] <ivoks> abarbaccia that wasn't my machine
[11:48] <\sh> ok gentlemen, I will go to bed right now...will have a hard day tomorrow
[11:48] <abarbaccia> ivoks, because one of my profs at school had a G5 w. dual processors all nice - and it run smooth
[11:48] <ivoks> \sh sleep tight :)
[11:49] <ajmitch_> night \sh
[11:49] <ivoks> abarbaccia yes, it runs smooth, but look at proc... other programs don't run smooth :)
[11:49] <abarbaccia> ivoks, when i finally thought they got something right...
[11:49] <\sh> g'night
[11:49] <herve> I go too
[11:50] <abarbaccia> alright guys - im gonna run - i'll be back later to try and figure out this whole "motu" thing
[11:50] <abarbaccia> good luck
[11:50] <herve> will have... well, a regular day with lots of chicks :-)
[11:50] <ivoks> abarbaccia well... they did something that Linux still didn't :(
[11:50] <herve> night all
[11:50] <ivoks> abarbaccia best thing in Tiger is KPI
[11:51] <ivoks> abarbaccia they finnaly defined kernel API
[11:51] <ivoks> abarbaccia that should linux do too... :(
[11:51] <ajmitch_> KPI?
[11:51] <ivoks> kernel API
[11:51] <ogra> Key Performance Indicator ? *g*
[11:51] <ivoks> :)
[11:53] <ivoks> hm...
[11:53] <ivoks> wifi-radar is much better than gnome's network-admin
[11:54] <ogra> ivoks, could my grandma use it ?
[11:54] <ivoks> ogra yes
[11:54] <koke> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/2005-May/004376.html <-- I did it!
[11:54] <ajmitch_> my grandma used to use DOS, so I guess she could use it :)
[11:54] <ivoks> i think wifi-radar should be priority :))
[11:54] <ajmitch_> koke: congrats :)
[11:55] <ivoks> ogra new one?
[11:55] <ajmitch_> ogra: yeah, I did a foolish thing & volunteered to help thom with NetworkMagic :)
[11:55] <ogra> yeah, we have a pypanel
[11:55] <ivoks> ogra URL?
[11:55] <ogra> ajmitch_, hehe
[11:55] <ajmitch_> brb
[11:55] <ivoks> couse network-admin sucks
[11:55] <ogra> ivoks, none yet....
[11:55] <tseng> bacl
[11:55] <tseng> back
[11:55] <ogra> ivoks, the version in ubuntu will rock
[11:55] <ivoks> ogra ok... python based?
[11:55] <koke> I'm using netapplet atm, but could be better
[11:56] <ogra> ivoks, it will be a tewaked network manager...
[11:56] <ogra> tweaked even
[11:56] <ivoks> ok
[11:56] <ivoks> profiles in network-admin don't work
[11:56] <ogra> just getting rid of all the suckage
[11:57] <ogra> then its a fine tool
[11:58] <ajmitch_> back
[11:58] <ivoks> we'll see
[11:58] <ajmitch_> it needs stablising a bit
[11:59] <ajmitch_> I've got a couple of test machines for breezy now, which is good :)
[11:59] <ajmitch_> although no amd64, if anyone is willing to donate hardware to me :)
[12:00] <ivoks> ajmitch_ u are talking about...?
[12:00] <ajmitch_> ivoks: general testing, and metwork manager in particular
[12:00] <dholbach> good night
[12:00] <ajmitch_> night dholbach
[12:00] <ivoks> dholbach night
[12:01] <ivoks> guys... can i get some of that network manager? :)
[12:01] <ivoks> i could test it with wifi :)


[00:10] <lapen2> estoy tratando de quemar un dvd y me sale esto
[00:10] <lapen2> Error mounting: mount: block device /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
[00:10] <lapen2> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sr0,
[00:10] <lapen2>        missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[00:10] <lapen2>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[00:10] <lapen2>        dmesg | tail  or so
[00:10] <lapen2> quien me puede ayudar?


[04:36] <EpicCyndaquil> hey everyone, apt-get keeps grabbing packages that dpkg claims are corrupted. How do I start troubleshooting this? simply removing the package from /var/cache/apt/archives and trying again seems to fix it all the time, but it's happening too often to just be an odd occurrence.
[07:45] <lordievader> Good morning
[16:36] <wolflarson> EpicCyndaquil, I used to have that issue when I ran a squid server on the network until I whiltelisted my mirrors
[16:55] <EpicCyndaquil> wolflarson: I'm not running squid, but I do have a virtualized pfsense, and I'm wondering if something between there and VirtIO is causing issues. got some "unexpected end of data stream" issues, so potentially a timeout setting somewhere?
[17:00] <wolflarson> you might expect that every time not just intermittenlty
[17:01] <EpicCyndaquil> I'm at a point where I can't download something after repeated attempts, it's happening that frequently.
[17:02] <EpicCyndaquil> and I'm still having the issue this morning, so I doubt I can blame the internet.
[19:40] <drab> EpicCyndaquil: but apt-get update doesn't complain?
[19:41] <drab> EpicCyndaquil: what happens if you wget that samne link and then try to dpkg -i it ?
[19:41] <drab> does it also complain that ti's corrupt?
[19:42] <tafa2> when editiing cron with "crontab -e" where is that actual file save on ubuntu 16? I cannot for the life of me seem to find it?
[19:43] <tomreyn> tafa2: /var/spool/cron/$USERNAME
[19:43] <drab> tafa2: /var/spool/cron/crontabs/$username
[19:43] <oerheks> It is stored in the directory: /var/spool/cron/crontabs  ( per user)
[19:43] <drab> lol
[19:44] <tomreyn> okok i was slightly wrong ;)
[19:44] <tafa2> I love IRC sometimes :)
[19:44] <tafa2> Thanks guys got it!
[19:44] <oerheks> is it $user or $username, tom ?
[19:45] <oerheks> i usually use $USER
[19:46] <oerheks> hmm found it myself, echo $USER gives the name, $USERNAME blanc
[19:48] <tomreyn> right, so two mistakes there ;)
[19:49] <oerheks> no no, i learned something today \0/
[19:50] <tomreyn> :)
[19:51] <drab> I know it's a bit far fetched as a question, but anybody around with ubiquiti hw?
[19:51] <drab> they shorten their than to ubnt so close enough maybe :P
[19:59] <tafa2> so I've got a folder: /data/backups/ - Inside I've got folders: /user1/ /user2/ /user3/
[20:00] <tafa2> I'm having a hell of a time dissalowing users1-3 from listing contents of /data/backups/ whilst still having access to /data/backups/user1-3/
[20:00] <tafa2> currently /data/backups/ belongs to root:root
[20:01] <tafa2> and /data/backups/user1/ <- chown user1:user1 /user1/ && chmod 0750 /user1/
[20:06] <drab> tafa2: chmod 751 /data/backups/
[20:06] <drab> that gives x (execute) to all, (ie your users). x on a directory means able to cd into it
[20:07] <drab> but no "r", read, which is what you need to list files in a directory
[20:07] <tafa2> ah i see
[20:07] <drab> try this for yourself: cd /tmp
[20:07] <tafa2> that was the missing element...
[20:07] <drab> mkdir a ; mkdir a/b ; mkdir a/c
[20:08] <drab> sudo chown root:root a ; sudo chmod 750 a ; ls -l a/ -> error
[20:08] <drab> sudo chmod 755 a -> works and can list
[20:08] <drab> sudo chmod 751 a -> cannot list, but ls -l a/b works
[20:10] <tafa2> 0o
[20:10] <tafa2> works a treat
[20:10] <tafa2> thanks man
[20:35] <tafa2> anyone use borgbackup?


[07:51] <tronn> 26 + 6 = 1
[09:49] <slashtommy> Ubuntu Hour tomorrow, we should be there!
[09:49] <czajkowski> just added it to my blog
[10:33] <tdr112> slashtommy: are you headin over at 1.30 or 2
[10:33] <tdr112> i will be there for 1.30 to have a look around
[10:34] <czajkowski> morning all
[10:34] <tdr112> hey czajkowski
[10:35] <czajkowski> tdr112: howdy doody
[10:39]  * tdr112 is doing testing for the morning in IE8
[10:40] <czajkowski> oh joy
[10:48] <slashtommy> tdr112: we're suit shopping in the morning, shouldn't be too long
[10:53] <czajkowski> ohh suits :)
[10:53] <czajkowski> what kind
[10:54] <slashtommy> for the wedding
[10:55] <czajkowski> nice
[10:55] <czajkowski> any idea what types you want?
[10:55] <slashtommy> there are types?
[10:56] <slashtommy> we're first going to try a tailor on capel street, get something nice and proper fitting
[10:56] <czajkowski> yes... colour, summer suit, slacks shirt and tie bit more informal
[10:56] <czajkowski> cool
[10:56]  * slashtommy doesn't fit into most adult clothing, despite being presidential size
[10:56] <slashtommy> didn't you see the link from the facebook event - ties are banned
[10:56] <slashtommy> as is confetti
[10:57] <czajkowski> oh I did see the confetti
[10:57] <czajkowski> missed the tie bit
[10:57] <czajkowski> well ties dont tend to suit me
[10:57] <czajkowski> please wearing one from the age of  4 to 17 put me off them
[10:57] <slashtommy> they could be a strangulation hazard around the animals
[10:57] <czajkowski> nods
[10:58] <ebel> you wore ties in school?
[10:58] <slashtommy> we're hoping to get in with the elephants for some photos
[10:58] <czajkowski> slashtommy: ohhh sweet
[10:58] <czajkowski> ebel: yup
[10:58]  * slashtommy had to wear a tie and a blazer to school
[10:59] <czajkowski> I also wore a pinnafore and blazer from 4-12
[10:59] <czajkowski> wore shirt tie floor length skirt and blazer from 12 -17
[10:59] <slashtommy> i'm using the wedding as an excuse to buy a well fitting suit
[11:00] <ebel> apparently some people getting married request that women wear dresses
[11:00] <slashtommy> stuff off the rack is far too big for me
[11:00] <slashtommy> oh yes, czajkowski - wear what you're comfortable with
[11:00] <ebel> *plus* we can have a suit for a few years
[11:00] <czajkowski> nods makes sense
[11:01] <slashtommy> and we will need them the following month for a wedding in kerry
[11:01] <ebel> yeah, no dresses if you don't want dresses
[11:01] <czajkowski> quite frankly your day wear what ever ye want
[11:01] <czajkowski> me I love dresses :) come summer time usually live in em
[11:01] <czajkowski> :)
[11:02] <slashtommy> you will also get to see the fancy pub in the 'batter
[11:02] <czajkowski> hmm just realised I could be at UDS :/
[11:02] <czajkowski> bugger


[04:19] <ctlaugh_> If I follow instructions and do NOT specify an admin password for the keystone charm when I deploy it, how do I figure out what it is so that I can use it for authentication later?
[04:21] <ctlaugh_> beisner: I'm still looking at this Openstack deployment trying to figure out what in the world is going on.  Is there a chance that something (in the charm(s), etc) that could have changed affecting how it gets deployed?  I have a simple set of scripts (I can share if necessary) that deploys the charms, creates relations between them, and that's about it.  I used them repeatedly earlier this year with no
[04:22] <ctlaugh_> trouble at all.  Now, I can't get a Juju-deployed Openstack to work.
[08:24] <cory_fu> bloodearnest: https://github.com/niedbalski/juju-deployerizer
[08:28] <bloodearnest> cory_fu, awesome, thanks
[09:29] <lazyPower> blahdeblah: just got confirmation. You're invited to tomorrow's lesson if you're still up for it
[09:46] <mgz> cory_fu: got it, runSSHKeyImport in apiserver/keymanager/keymanager.go cn generate more error results than import keys
[09:57] <lazyPower> mgz: so we know whats causing the panic now?
[09:57] <cory_fu> mgz: It can generate more results, error or not, because there are more than one key per user.  But to make the functionality work, it has to return more results, since the keyInfo is what's used to write the valid keys as well
[09:58] <cory_fu> So I definitely should have reved the api as well.  :/
[09:59] <cory_fu> lazyPower: Yeah, it's my change like I thought at first
[09:59] <lazyPower> doh
[09:59] <lazyPower> allright, at least we know whats going on. Appreciate the attention on that bug :)
[10:00] <cory_fu> mgz: Even worse (or better, depending on your point of view), the mismatch in result count could cause it to report an incorrect key as the source of the error without panicing
[10:01] <cory_fu> The only time it will panic is if the one in error is near the end of the result list and there was at least one ID that had multiple keys
[12:22] <francokaerntna> Hello, I am using the CLI to upload a bundle, but I only get the error, that the command 'juju bundle' is not known. I have the latest version of juju (1.22.1-0) and juju-quickstart (2.0.1) installed. Can anybody tell me how to deploy a bundle through the CLI?
[12:22] <lazyPower> francokaerntna: surely  juju-quickstart bundlename.yaml should get you running if the bundle is valid
[12:23] <lazyPower> francokaerntna: its a positionial argument to juju-quickstart, and you can get detailed help from juju-quickstart -h
[12:25] <francokaerntna> lazyPower: ok, I will try that. But the docu clearly states 'juju bundle proof ..' https://jujucharms.com/docs/1.22/charms-bundles
[12:26] <lazyPower> francokaerntna: thats a completely different utility coming from the charm-tools package :)
[12:26] <lazyPower> juju-quickstart is it's own project as well, and has different nomenclature
[12:26] <lazyPower> so if you're missing juju bundle, and would like to proof it - apt-get install charm-tools
[12:29] <francokaerntna> lazyPower: thank you! Now it's working
[12:44] <lazyPower> Glad to hear it :)
[13:04] <francokaerntna> I'm trying to deploy the openstack charm on 3 maas hosts. Is it enough to edit the bundle.yaml (add 'to: "lxc:X"' where X is a number from 0 to 3) file and then run juju-quickstart?
[13:42] <lazyPower> francokaerntna: it can be you need a bare-minimum of 2 machines to deploy openstack
[13:42] <lazyPower> 1 to warehouse all the ancilliary services, and 1 to dedicate to your VM host
[13:43] <lazyPower> see http://marcoceppi.com/2014/06/deploying-openstack-with-just-two-machines/ as a jumping off point.
[14:11] <francokaerntna> lazyPower: ok. But that one is without quantum. And I tried adding it afterwards but it didn't work. Can you give me some assistance?
[15:39] <francokaerntna> anybody experience with deploying neutron into openstack with juju?
[15:41] <lazyPower> francokaerntna: i know you have a limitation on the number of machines
[15:41] <lazyPower> but we do have a bundle for this in the store: https://jujucharms.com/openstack
[15:42] <lazyPower> you should be able to derive  what needs to be done from either the README or the bundle.
[15:42] <lazyPower> blahdeblah: ping
[15:44] <francokaerntna> lazyPower: I tried to deploy the openstack-base one, but it will always try to acquire 17 machines. Do you mean I should download the configuration, change the base.yaml file (so that every service contains a 'to: lxc:X' field) and then deploy with juju-quickstart?
[15:45] <lazyPower> Thats an option
[15:48] <francokaerntna> lazyPower: sorry, I read your answer to quick. I will try to humanly parse the configs and reproduce what's written in them.
[15:49] <lazyPower> well, you can also use thebundle
[15:49] <lazyPower> adding to: lxc:# shoudl work
[15:49] <lazyPower> its no different using the bundle than deploying by hand, and arguably less error prone :)
[18:24] <jshieh> Hey, has anyone had a chance to look at the Power PPA bugs listed under:
[18:24] <jshieh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bugs?field.tag=ppc64el
[19:28] <jcastro> jose, hey do you think you can host the hangout today? I am having some display/xorg issues today and my laptop isn't very reliable
[19:40] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/events/c4t2adthcqk723kbd6j6otr1orc
[19:40] <jcastro> can everyone see that event?
[19:48] <marcoceppi_> yes
[20:04] <jcastro> marcoceppi_, paste the URL in here
[20:06] <marcoceppi_> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdOBGmgZLcV7P1GJ_IWCxHj3S0wWsTbC4UXQy5bAJ5EgrAriQ?authuser=0&hl=en
[20:07] <marcoceppi_> If you want to watch, https://plus.google.com/events/c7kaoc26rs816cpf14mrpnpuiio
[20:09] <marcoceppi_> jcastro: http://youtu.be/WWGJpRtZ2H0
[20:14] <lazyPower> To anyone following along the hangout on air and wants the release notes: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/juju/2015-March/005118.html
[20:40] <jcastro> https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/reference-release-notes
[20:40] <beisner> o/ popping in and out whilst testing a ton o stuff.
[20:40] <beisner>    ++tabular lazyPower !
[20:41] <lazyPower> aww yeah
[20:41] <lazyPower> tabular  = godmode for watching your deployments
[20:41] <lazyPower> cheats++ :D
[20:41] <lazyPower> make sure you hi5 katco for landing that bit of awesomeness
[20:51] <lazyPower> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/04/16/expediting-local-isolation-with-docker-and-juju/ - if anyone wanted to review the charm context switching on insights
[21:15] <jw4> lazyPower: great article... thanks
[23:01] <blahdeblah> lazyPower: pong - Saw your comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/999439; I haven't got back to it this week.  Is there a way I can force a run through the testing regime to see results without you guys having to review & approve?
[23:01] <mup> Bug #999439: Need charm for quassel-core <new-charm> <Juju Charms Collection:In Progress by paulgear> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/999439>


[18:44] <newz2000> hey stas, I just talked to akgraner about the fridge...
[18:44] <newz2000> apparently she was in the process of having someone create a new theme for the fridge (from scratch)
[18:44] <newz2000> so I redirected her so that she'll use the community theme
[18:45] <newz2000> she's going to give us some ideas of what she wants. She may know someone who wants to help.
[18:45] <newz2000> I'm going to let you lead that show, though.
[18:45] <newz2000> (because you're doing such a good job)
[18:46] <newz2000> I think she'll be in touch tomorrow
[18:47] <mhall119> what does fridge run?
[18:48] <jpds> mhall119: Drupal if I recall correctly.
[18:49] <newz2000> we're switching them to wp soon
[18:53] <mhall119> ah, ok
[18:53] <mhall119> so, note the one I'm working on
[19:09] <newz2000> ubuntu-website is down to 12 new bugs and 138 total open.
[19:09]  * newz2000 wonders if he can get that down to under 100 today and still do his other tasks
[19:15] <mhall119> I have some changes to default.css, where should I propose those?
[19:16] <mhall119> or should I just seem the separate?
[19:27] <mhall119> it's gonna be 13 new bugs in a minute...
[19:28] <mhall119> newz2000: should bugs for the new theme be registered to the ubuntu-website project?
[20:04] <mhall119> nevermind, I went ahead and created the bug, made the fix, pushed it and proposed the merge
[20:10] <stas> btw, I'm still working on wordpress theme, now sidebars and widget areas are ready
[20:10] <stas> I just wanted to mention that I found some css errors and a suggestion
[20:11] <stas> currently the font sizes are messed, part of them are in '%' other is in 'em'
[20:11] <stas> I suggest using only one measurement unit
[20:12] <mhall119> yeah, I noticed that too
[20:12] <mhall119> 100% sometimes, 0.75em at others
[20:12] <mhall119> though I think the 100% was just to reset
[20:12] <mhall119> are there non-100% instances?
[20:42] <stas> not sure, but anyway typography can be improved in basic template
[20:43] <stas> in wordpress theme I'm using from 80% - 120% I think
[20:43] <stas> also there's an error with some value with comma witch should be dot
[20:44] <stas> forgot where exactly I spotted
[20:50] <mhall119> did you correct it?
[20:50] <mhall119> if so, bzr diff should show it
[20:54] <stas> nope, I'm using basic theme only for visual roadmap, the css code is useless since I'm using a theme framework
[20:55] <stas> I got a problem, I don't know what to do with the footer and asides[1-3]
[20:55] <stas> http://ubuntuone.com/p/7GT/
[20:55] <stas> in basic template there are 6 asides which is too much afaik
[20:56] <stas> this means I will have to add 6 widgets only to get the asides included
[20:57] <knome> stas, just use a custom built widget, which allows multiple same widgets to be included
[20:57] <knome> :P
[20:58] <stas> knome: yeah, I was thinking about it, and leave the user to add 6 (lets say) text widgets to mimic the content from basic theme?
[20:58] <knome> why not, if the content is not something you can predict anyway.
[20:59]  * stas zomg, I wish a designer could code this css instead of me :)
[20:59] <knome> hah
[20:59] <knome> :)
[20:59] <mhall119> yeah, I didn't even have to worry about those for the Django template
[20:59] <stas> knome: ok, I was just saying that adding widget areas are like placeholders
[20:59] <stas> :)
[20:59] <knome> i can do that if you promise me canonical pays for it ;)
[21:00] <stas> knome: you speak like canonical pays me for that :)
[21:00] <knome> i don't. :)
[21:00] <knome> i'm just not putting my stick into that project without money
[21:00] <knome> glad you are ;)
[21:01] <stas> knome: don't make me look sily :P
[21:01] <knome> but you are!
[21:01] <knome> i mean... ;)
[21:01]  * mhall119 is doing this for free
[21:02] <knome> no really, it's not silly, but you just can't jump into *every* project for free :)
[21:02] <newz2000> All I can offer is encouragement, hope that will do
[21:02] <mhall119> knome: technically you can
[21:02] <mhall119> look at cjohnston
[21:02] <knome> mhall119, i didn't mean that :P
[21:02] <knome> mhall119, yeah, he never gets anything done
[21:02] <knome> oops
[21:03] <mhall119> you're never gonna get a code review from him now
[21:04] <knome> fortunately i don't need one :P
[21:05] <mhall119> I do
[21:05] <knome> then take the oil out and be ready to rub his back when he returns online
[21:05] <mhall119> eeewwww
[21:06] <knome> well that was what i thought you were describing
[21:06] <mhall119> I'll just say I won't do a User Day or Django class until he does it
[21:06] <knome> "you have to rub his/her back so he can do things for you"
[21:06] <knome> and "he/she won't do anything for you if you're not nice to him/her" :P
[21:06]  * mhall119 prefers the stick method
[21:07] <knome> stick... in the back?
[21:07] <mhall119> wherever it hurts
[21:07] <knome> well i'm sure a stick would hurt in your... back
[21:07]  * mhall119 wouldn't know
[21:07]  * knome *cough* neither
[21:08]  * mhall119 wasn't judging
[21:08] <knome> hehe :)
[21:08]  * stas back
[21:08] <mhall119> whatever compiles your code, so to speak
[21:08] <knome> well definitely not a stick on my back :|
[21:09] <knome> it might be compulsory, even if it wouldn't compile your code, much like using "use strict" in perl
[21:09] <stas> knome: money can be a good motivation, but there's something even better, like community response and respect
[21:09]  * mhall119 never uses strict
[21:09] <knome> stas, definitely. that's why i work on other things open source
[21:09] <stas> with ubuntu-website or without them I would have to update my wordpress-loco project its just a matter of time
[21:10] <knome> mhall119, eww! your code stays far away from my pc
[21:10] <MTecknology> newz2000: hey- sorry about not doing anything with the Drupal theme yet - We'll be getting involved heavily (i think) pretty shortly. One of our old buddies is coming back.
[21:10] <mhall119> knome: I won't be kept down by "the man" (Larry Wall)
[21:10] <knome> bah
[21:10] <mhall119> my code is free spirited, it does what it wants
[21:10] <knome> yeah
[21:10] <mhall119> even if that mean pooping on your lawn
[21:10] <knome> the only "spirit" that can be found in this apartment is rum
[21:10] <knome> ;)
[21:10] <stas> knome: btw, what are the projects you're involved into?
[21:10] <MTecknology> How are the branches set up?
[21:11] <stas> MTecknology: I think wildly :) I mean nothing is stable and accepted for sure yet
[21:11] <MTecknology> oh
[21:11] <knome> stas, until recently i was the xubuntu marketing lead (did the artwork from jaunty->karmic(lucid)), now i'm just involving random stuff and running the shimmer project (http://shimmerproject.org/), which also somewhat relates to ubuntu
[21:11] <newz2000> MTecknology: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website there is a series for drupal. I'd check it out and put your code there, then propose for merging
[21:12] <mhall119> MTecknology: there are framework-specific branches under lp:ubuntu-website/
[21:13] <mhall119> and also the base release
[21:13] <stas> knome: I see, good luck with it btw
[21:13] <MTecknology> What I wwas referring to is how they branch off of each other - because the base thme is what the other themes should branch from
[21:13] <mhall119> so far, when I have a change to the default.css or base HTML, I propose them back into light-base-theme as well as light-django-theme
[21:13] <mhall119> MTecknology: they are separate branches
[21:13] <mhall119> as far as I know
[21:14] <mhall119> light-django-theme definitely is
[21:14] <MTecknology> yucky..
[21:14] <mhall119> not based on light-base-theme
[21:14] <stas> MTecknology: it depends, I can't use base css as I said, I'm working with a framework
[21:14] <knome> stas, thanks :)
[21:15] <knome> stas, but as i said, i'm still involved in random ubuntu stuff :)
[21:15] <mhall119> and we can't share index.html, because each has to change it to work in their framework
[21:15] <knome> stas, (that's why i'm still here)
[21:15] <stas> knome: you mentioned xubuntu, do you know janimo or had the chance to meet him? :)
[21:15] <mhall119> knome: btw, the Xubuntu artwork for 9.10 was nice
[21:15] <knome> stas, no, only know him by name
[21:16] <knome> mhall119, thanks
[21:16] <stas> knome: he's one of the guys who introduced me to ubuntu :)
[21:16] <stas> we meet from time to time here in romania
[21:16] <knome> i joined the project after he had left
[21:16] <mhall119> I used Xubuntu as a base for Qimo
[21:17] <stas> knome: he has or will have soon a baby afaik :)
[21:17] <mhall119> it's good
[21:17] <knome> heh, congrats for him if you see him
[21:17] <knome> mhall119, xubuntu or qimo? ;)
[21:17] <mhall119> knome: well, both, but I was specifically referring to Xubuntu
[21:17] <stas> will do :)
[21:17] <mhall119> I congratulate myself in private ;)
[21:18] <knome> mhall119, plese don't tell more about that handshaking
[21:18] <stas> newz2000: hows the new job? :)
[21:20] <MTecknology> So each branch is intended to pretty much be it's own complete project but all held in one parent?
[21:21] <mhall119> seems that way
[21:21] <MTecknology> alrighty
[21:22] <mhall119> I don't think that's on purpose though
[21:22] <stas> so back to my question, how should I format my footer?
[21:22] <mhall119> if you can think of a better arrangement, I'd be happy to change
[21:23] <stas> not sure but I think loco websites ain't gonna use 'Privacy' and 'Legal' in footer
[21:23] <MTecknology> mhall119: nah- makes things easier for me
[21:23] <stas> so I can reduce that block to a text widget
[21:23] <mhall119> I just make 3 unlabeled footer blocks
[21:23] <stas> mhall119: ok
[21:23] <mhall119> not sure how that translates into Wordpress
[21:24] <stas> mhall119: I got you :)
[22:10] <newz2000> stas: great. My new boss rocks. Gives me plenty of notice on new work.
[22:10] <newz2000> stas: speaking of time, did you finish your terms / finals?
[22:11] <stas> newz2000: great :)
[22:11] <stas> about exams, almost, didnt get some of them, but its not like I would care too much :)
[22:12] <newz2000> so now you get to take a break for a couple months?
[22:12] <stas> why should i? :)
[22:12] <stas> my last weeks were all only wordpress, coding for gsoc and here, which I'm more proud of
[22:12] <stas> compared to exam results
[22:15] <MTecknology> mhall119: had issues - 3 new bugs filed in launchpad...
[22:15] <MTecknology> mhall119: I proposed the branch for merging
[22:15] <stas> btw, newz2000 did you find the man who will take the place of your old job?
[22:15] <MTecknology> me!
[22:15] <newz2000> not yet, exec's still deciding on the job description and if they need to be in London or remote is OK
[22:17] <mhall119> MTecknology: which bugs?
[22:17] <stas> i'm eager to meet our new coordinator :P
[22:17] <MTecknology> mhall119: just a few lifeless and I picked up in the merge proposal process
[22:18] <newz2000> stas: I think it will still be me
[22:18] <mhall119> MTecknology: on ubuntu-website?
[22:18] <stas> newz2000: than I'm cool :)
[22:19] <MTecknology> mhall119: ya - they're filed in launchpad-code - I just took a cheap back door that won't break things down the road :)
[22:19] <mhall119> oh, in the drupal theme project
[22:19] <MTecknology> they're bugs in the launchpad code - nothing to do w/ the projects
[22:20] <mhall119> oh, ok
[22:25] <mhall119> MTecknology: merging
[22:25] <mhall119> and with that, I'm off for the night
[22:28] <MTecknology> mhall119: g'night
[22:30] <stas> mhall119: night
[23:25] <stas> newz2000: I got an idea. wordpress allows you to export/import backups easily
[23:25] <stas> maybe we should create a website skeleton
[23:25] <newz2000> stas: that's a good idea
[23:25] <stas> and provide the xml file as a startup package
[23:25] <stas> this way all the webpages are created, it will require only the content to be added
[23:26] <newz2000> yeah, good plan
[23:26] <newz2000> stas: are you targeting wp 3.x?
[23:26] <stas> yep
[23:26] <newz2000> Will this work with 2.9?
[23:26] <stas> except menus yes
[23:26] <knome> stas, is there huge changes from 2.9.x to 3.x ?
[23:26] <newz2000> will it work with 2.8?
[23:27] <stas> I mean it still can fallback to plain lists (ul/ol li)
[23:27] <stas> newz2000: also should
[23:27] <newz2000> the reason I ask is that many locos have canonical hosted services and I'm sure they're not the latest version
[23:27] <newz2000> (though I'm equally sure they're at least 2.8)
[23:27] <stas> basically the menus in the header are generated using two widgets,so what lists you add there, those will be printed
[23:28] <stas> knome: yes, a lot of improvements
[23:28] <stas> a lot of api goodness, and easier management of content
[23:28] <knome> mm-hmm
[23:28] <stas> basically wordpress starting from 3.x is a cmf
[23:29] <stas> drupal now has a real competitor
[23:29] <knome> mm-hmm
[23:29] <newz2000> I think 3.x needs to be 3.1 for that to happen
[23:29] <knome> did they already melt the wpmu code back to wp?
[23:29] <stas> i'm almost sure it will get updated in a month after release
[23:30] <stas> knome: yep
[23:30]  * newz2000 hopes the multi-site feature gets a big revamp
[23:30] <newz2000> I wrote a commercial content management system before coming to Canonical
[23:30] <newz2000> wp needs to use our multi-site feature because the mu stuff is bad
[23:30] <knome> stas, okay, then i'm kind of waiting for that, but also afraid of that – i'm running rpmu right noe..
[23:30] <knome> newz2000, bad as in?
[23:31] <newz2000> so fragile
[23:31] <stas> newz2000: did you write it above wordpress ?
[23:31] <newz2000> it was completely separate product, not related to wp at all
[23:31] <stas> ah I see
[23:31] <newz2000> it would be a very invasive change to wp though
[23:31] <stas> not that it is in core, wpmu will get much more attention hopefully
[23:32] <stas> now*
[23:32]  * stas sleepy :)
[23:32] <stas> http://ubuntuone.com/p/7HS/ we got the slider :)
[23:33] <newz2000> good night stas, thanks for your work
[23:33] <stas> np :)