[00:10] <src> `$ lsb_release -a` I'm on ubuntu 23.04 but `$ sudo do-release-upgrade`-> no new release found (update-manager-core is up to date)
[00:10] <src> is there not yet an upgrade path or am I doing something wrong here?
[00:12] <Eickmeyer> src: upgrades to 23.10 are not available immediately after release, they usually take a day to a week, depending on upgrade issues to be sorted. If you want, you can use `update-manager -d` at your own risk.
[00:14] <src> Eickmeyer: 'upgrade to the development release'
[00:14] <src> would that even mean I'd be on 23.10 or on some ever changing current branch or something
[00:14] <src> anyways I guess I'll wait, fuck, should have looked up before taking a long backup
[00:14] <Eickmeyer> src: I said what I said.
[00:14] <Eickmeyer> !language | src
[00:15] <Eickmeyer> There's no development release right now, the new development branch hasn't opened yet.
[00:16] <Eickmeyer> 23.04 wouldn't skip ahead anyhow.
[00:16] <EriC^^> src: you'd be on 23.10
[00:16] <src> I'll wait then, I'll do an incremental backup when it's available, shouldn't need to run through the whole thing again
[00:17] <src> anyways thanks
[00:17] <EriC^^> src: might be worth seeing what's in 'cat /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades'
[00:17] <EriC^^> for prompt=
[00:17] <EriC^^> in case it's set to lts by mistake or something
[00:18] <src> EriC^^: set to normal
[00:18] <Eickmeyer> EriC^^: If they're on 23.04 I highly doubt it would be set to lts as 1) it can't be set to that by default, and 2) it couldn't have been upgraded to 23.04.
[00:18] <src> to be fair he said "might be worth seeing"
[00:19] <EriC^^> Eickmeyer: i know, yes ^
[00:19] <Eickmeyer> src: Right, but illogical.
[00:19] <src> you never know what people do to their systems lol
[00:19] <EriC^^> i literally said 'by mistake'
[00:20] <EriC^^> Eickmeyer: there's nothing illogical about it, but your pedantic majesty wins \o/ feel good now
[00:20] <Eickmeyer> EriC^^: I just don't like it when I'm trying to help someone and someone takes over, it's not helpful and gets under my skin, that's all.
[00:21] <EriC^^> Eickmeyer: it looked like you were done helping, i merely pointed out the off chance of prompt not being set, might be worth seeing is all
[00:21] <src> you guys need to chillax
[00:24] <Eickmeyer> To be fair, I'm probably a little on-edge, had an incident yesterday where I was harassed by a user. Sorry if it comes out sideways.
[00:42] <TheWebFox> Eickmeye_r, if you mean me, I'm sorry if I caused you distress a few days ago ...
[01:10] <Eickmeyer> TheWebFox: No, wasn't you. :)
[01:40] <MissingMinotaur> If the person asking about /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades was asking me, 'Prompt=normal'
[02:01] <lubuntu> HI
[02:02] <ooberbanana> join #thelounge
[03:36] <RGN> hi
[03:39] <toddc> RGN: do you need help just ask your question!
[03:39] <RGN> ok
[03:45] <kubuntuboi> can anyone help me on installing wl-clipboard-rs on ubuntu? i'd use wl-clipboard but the rs version actually fixes a copy bug in the regular package https://github.com/YaLTeR/wl-clipboard-rs
[03:46] <RGN> hmm
[03:47] <kubuntuboi> thats what i said when i switched from arch, the aur really held my hand 😥
[03:50] <RGN> ?
[03:53] <kubuntuboi> i mean it was a lot easier since everything was just in it lol
[04:02] <PeGaSuS> probably rust-wl-clipboard-rs?
[04:04] <PeGaSuS> I mean, libruw
[04:04] <PeGaSuS> librust*
[04:05] <kubuntuboi> oh yeah i tried that appearantly thats just the source, what i primarly need is just wl-copyhttps://github.com/YaLTeR/wl-clipboard-rs/tree/master/wl-clipboard-rs-tools/src/bin
[04:06] <matsaman> the source, from which you can build it
[04:11] <kubuntuboi> well apparently i got it to build, git clone that repo, cargo build and the executable is in ~/wl-clipboard-rs/target/debug lol appreciate yall
[04:16] <matsaman> lolol rust
[06:54] <pickanick> Eickmeyer
[06:54] <oerheks> :-)
[07:00] <pickanick> pardon, please disregard
[08:00] <oerheks> !info thunar
[09:05] <Lvl4Sword> What's the recommended way of fixing this? .. ALSA lib pcm.c:2666:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM cards.pcm.front
[09:11] <tomreyn> which hardware, which ubuntu release?
[09:21] <Lvl4Sword> tomreyn, Wrong channel, sorry
[12:18] <lovska> hello
[12:19] <lovska> Guys please help me
[12:19] <jeremy31> We don't know what is wrong
[12:20] <lovska> Oct 15 18:03:35 ubuntu subiquity_event.3286[3286]: subiquity/Early/apply_autoinstall_config
[12:20] <lovska> Oct 15 18:03:35 ubuntu subiquity_event.3286[3286]: subiquity/Early/apply_autoinstall_config
[12:20] <lovska> Oct 15 18:03:35 ubuntu subiquity_event.3286[3286]: subiquity/Reporting/apply_autoinstall_config
[12:20] <lovska> Oct 15 18:03:35 ubuntu subiquity_event.3286[3286]: subiquity/Reporting/apply_autoinstall_config
[12:20] <lovska> Oct 15 18:03:35 ubuntu subiquity_event.3286[3286]: subiquity/Error/apply_autoinstall_config
[12:24] <Louiex1322> Hello all, I can't install Ubuntu, can anyone help?
[12:25] <jeremy31> Louiex1322: Why can't you install?
[12:25] <Louiex1322> I don't know
[12:26] <Louiex1322> Therefore, I ask you for help
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> !details | Louiex1322
[12:28] <Louiex1322> I'm currently trying to install Ubuntu 23.04 next to my Windows 10 installation.
[12:28] <Louiex1322> I am ready to provide what you ask
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> !dualboot | Louiex1322 start here
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | Louiex1322 see also
[12:30] <Louiex1322> При установке выдаёт сбой и установка не продолжается
[12:30] <Louiex1322> The installation fails and the installation does not continue.
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> Louiex1322: try to catch the error you are getting and copy into a !paste so the volunteers can try to debug your issue
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> !paste
[12:33] <Louiex1322> https://dpaste.com/8N8ZFYBRF
[12:34] <Louiex1322> I can only provide this
[12:46] <Louiex1322> Is there something about my problem?
[12:50] <con> Oct 15 18:10:37 ubuntu subiquity_log.3286[7322]: rsync: [sender] read errors mapping "/tmp/tmpogs2pk9b/mount/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcamel-1.2.so.64.0.0": Input/output error (5)
[12:50] <jeremy31> Louiex1322: I would download Ubuntu 22.04 and see if that installs
[12:50] <con> That seems to be the origin of the failure, which implies that some storage media involved is faulty.
[12:51] <Louiex1322> con: How to check
[12:56] <con> Best way I can think of is to look at the Windows Event Log for events that would indicate issues accessing the disk.
[12:56] <con> Since you already have Windows installed.
[12:57] <Louiex1322> okay
[13:15] <tomreyn> in case they'll return: these look like *read* errors from the *installation media*, so this may be bad (not the target media). was the checksum verification at boot skipped? did they verify the downloaded iso checksum?
[13:23] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:42] <pickanick> On shutdown: "A stop job is ?waiting? for session 3 of user ..."  Does session 3 mean a terminal emulator like Konsole in graphical session? Or virtual terminals (which are no longer accessible)
[14:07] <ice9> I'm compiling an app that requires pygtk-2.0 but this package doesn't exist, what should I do?
[14:15] <samba35> i am not able to boot system while boot it say libzstd.so pakage not found went into initramfs prompt where i cant find ssd
[14:16] <samba35> how to repair it or reinstall package ?
[14:45] <cbreak> samba35: you could boot to a USB install medium
[14:46] <cbreak> and from there, chroot into your normal boot environment, and reinstall it
[14:46] <cbreak> any idea why it's not found though?
[14:47] <samba35> yes i am able to boot with usb but how do i fix /reinstall package
[14:49] <samba35> how do i run chroot ?
[14:54] <JoeBk> samba35, type 'man chroot'
[14:54] <samba35> :)
[14:56] <ravage> samba35: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
[14:57] <ravage> or https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery if that does not boot anymore
[15:05] <EriC^^> samba35: https://pchelp.youtubextras.com/topics/how-to-setup-a-chroot
[15:06] <EriC^^> samba35: if you're booted in the live usb then you want to follow from the very last section, "mount binding .."
[15:11] <paul424> Hello, hello how do I downgrade to particular kernel version of 5.18 ?
[15:16] <con> paul424: Any particular reason?
[15:16] <paul424> https://github.com/MeowIce/nvidia-legacy
[15:17] <paul424> 390.151 (5.18+) and the card 525M nvidia
[15:17] <paul424> which needs this
[15:17] <paul424> but the site says it would work with 5.15 as well ....
[15:19] <paul424> " install linux-generic " ???
[15:19] <ravage> what is the problem with the nvidia-driver-390 package?
[15:20] <paul424> it's obsolate no more upgraded for years
[15:20] <paul424> so someone smart is preparing the binaries himself
[15:20] <ravage> the repo says it updates support for kernel versions
[15:21] <ravage> there are no updates to the driver itself
[15:21] <ravage> it is proprietary code
[15:21] <paul424> what ? O.O ?
[15:21] <paul424> look here https://github.com/MeowIce/nvidia-legacy/tree/390.151
[15:22] <ravage> yes thats exactly what i said
[15:22] <ravage> it patches support for kernel versions
[15:22] <paul424> yes
[15:23] <ravage> NOT the features of the driver at all
[15:23] <paul424> NOT
[15:23] <ravage> actually the 390 driver in the repos is newer. nvidia-driver-390/jammy-updates,jammy-security 390.157-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> amd64
[15:26] <leftyfb> paul424: so you want to downgrade your kernel to one that is EOL and unsupported, which will most certainly introduce security and stability risks because you want to use an EOL an unsupported driver developed by some dude all because because you think the incremented number in said project will somehow improved your currently non-broken system?
[15:26] <paul424> well I have tried his patch on several occasions ( other laptops ) and I am fine with it
[15:27] <paul424> becuse IT Seems I have no other choice for nvidia binary drivers on Ubuntu
[15:28] <leftyfb> paul424: 390 is a perfectly fine choice
[15:28] <paul424> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 this ?
[15:28] <leftyfb> paul424: what release of ubuntu are you running?
[15:29] <paul424> Ubutnu 22.04 LTS
[15:30] <leftyfb> paul424: sudo apt install nvidia-driver-390
[15:30] <paul424> Is it so simple ? will try it now
[15:31]  * ravage sighs
[15:38] <paul424> >>The Linux 390.* legacy driver series is the last to support GF1xx ("Fermi") GPUs. Support for new Linux kernels and X servers, as well as fixes for critical bugs, will be included in 390.* legacy releases through the end of 2022.
[15:38] <paul424>  <<
[15:49] <paul424> leftyfb, ravage uhhh my castle of bricks is falling because of the script I have used ( the MeowICE one ) -- that is the nvidia driver doesn't start up :( no errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log How do I reinstall the kernel 6.2 afresh  ?
[15:49] <paul424> and it's dependencies ?
[15:50] <leftyfb> paul424: sudo apt install --reinstall linux-image-generic-hwe-22.04 linux-headers-generic-hwe-22.04
[15:50] <paul424> also I should mention that it is the dual graphic card laptop model
[15:50] <paul424> maybe that it is causing so much trouble -- the INspiron N7110
[15:51] <leftyfb> paul424: that 3rd party script is more than likely causing your issues
[15:51] <paul424> yeah I see that 's why I am reinstalling kernel
[15:51] <paul424> thahknns
[16:12] <paul424> well it almost works , but a low resolution cannot be changed with nvidia-settings
[16:12] <paul424> it has no such label ....
[16:12] <paul424> what to do ?>
[16:21] <John_D> do people get flicker of app center window?
[16:26] <Your_Dog> no
[16:28] <John_D> do you use xorg or wayland?
[16:35] <Your_Dog> wayland
[16:35] <paul424> John_D,  ????
[16:35] <paul424> I do use Xorg
[16:36] <John_D> oh ok. when I was trying ubuntu 23.10 live it got horrible flicker of the app center window. even on youtube video saw same behavior. so been wondering about this issue
[16:37] <John_D> thought maybe this issue is related to flutter based applications
[17:40] <ice9> "netfilter-persistent save" doesn't save rules on Ubuntu 23.10, any idea?
[18:14] <jonny6782232> Hello, does anyone know how I can set a port for the DNS server entry in the nmtui (network manager)?
[18:15] <leftyfb> jonny6782232: a port?
[18:19] <jonny6782232> @leftyfb yes
[18:19] <jonny6782232> i want to set a dns entry like <IP_ADDRESS>:2222
[18:21] <leftyfb> jonny6782232: why not disable systemd-resolve and run your 2222 dns server on 53?
[18:30] <Kad1> Hey all. I'm trying to get Ubuntu to simultaneously output the same audio to 2 HDMI outputs. I can mirror the display with 2 clicks, but getting audio working seems to require a first-born sacrifice. I've tried paprefs, but it seems to only output to one of them. `pactl list short sinks` gives me the stereo out + HDMI out, always the same
[18:30] <Kad1> 0000_00_1f.3 regardless of which HDMI out I choose in Settings. What am I doing wrong?
[18:31] <Kad1> (22.04.3 LTS, just installed on an Intel NUC machine)
[18:57] <a2tv1> yo
[18:59] <a2tv1> anyone
[19:01] <stenno> if you have a question, you should just ask it
[19:26] <jpmh> we had a program that created a HUGE number of files, by accident.  We have removed the files but it seems that the index/directory is still in trouble and an ls takes forever.  This is an ext4 file system.  Is there some way to clean up this mess?
[19:26] <dob1> hi, firefox bugs have to be reported via bugzilla ?
[19:26] <ravage> dob1: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/file-bug-report-or-feature-request-mozilla
[19:27] <coz_> try brave browser nightly
[19:30] <catphish> i've just downloaded "Ubuntu Base 23.04", i tried to boot it, but it doesn't seem to have an init. is is called something else, or am i misssing steps required to turn base into a working system?
[19:30] <jpmh> catphish: systemd is what is now used
[19:31] <catphish> jmcgnh: i assumed it was, any idea where that is?
[19:32] <John_D> catphish what are you trying to accomplish?
[19:34] <catphish> John_D: i have an arm64 router with a functional kernel but no userspace yet, i want a copy of ubuntu arm64 userspace that i can extract onto the device and boot
[19:35] <John_D> oh. sounds like rocket science to me : D
[19:35] <catphish> i tried to install ubuntu-base-23.04-base-arm64.tar.gz but it doesn't seem to have an init binary
[19:35] <John_D> hm
[19:35] <catphish> it's been a slog getting tht thing to boot, and i'm nearly there, kernel boots, just need an actual OS on top now
[19:35] <catphish> *the thing
[19:36] <John_D> you are on your own lol
[19:36] <John_D> this support channel doesn't seem to be helpful. people just keep silent in here
[19:36] <catphish> will get even less help if i don't ask :)
[19:37] <John_D> true that. you've tried
[19:38] <John_D> maybe askubuntu will be more of a help?
[19:38] <ice9> "netfilter-persistent save" doesn't save rules, any idea?
[19:43] <dob1> I don't like bugzilla it doesn't hide your email address
[19:43] <dob1> it's a privacy issue
[19:44] <ravage> !ot | dob1
[19:44] <dob1> it's not OT if I have to use this bad tool to fill a bug report for a software installed on ubuntu
[19:44] <ravage> it is
[19:45] <ice9> there are so many "DENIED" log in dmesg from apparmor from many apps like nautilus, firefox and others; shouldn't that break their functionality?
[20:01] <catphish> i think i've answered my own question - using this mechod i can install arm64 to a directory on my x86 machine https://digriz.org.uk/tutorials/foreign-debootstrap
[20:33] <Kadigan> In case anyone had any ideas, I was the guy with the "send audio to both HDMI outputs at the same time" issue.
[20:34] <Kadigan> For now I've settled for the "switch via Settings", but that's not a great solution.
[20:47] <kubuntuboi> so i was having a bug with screen flickering on certain programs so i wanted to try the latest mesa, installed https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers but that didn't fix it so i wanted to revert the changes, using sudo ppa-purge ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers and updating, vainfo still shows i'm using it
[20:48] <kubuntuboi> 23.3~git2310150600.8b6b40~oibaf~m for AMD Radeon Graphics (rembrandt, LLVM 16.0.6, DRM 3.54, 6.5.0-9-generic)
[20:51] <mia__> hallo
[20:52] <John_D> hi
[20:59] <ninunin> can someone help me how to block from search somethin on youtube?
[20:59] <ninunin> channel*
[20:59] <ninunin> i am using adblock
[21:15] <bedde25> hi, i installed ubuntu kde 20.04 on mi 2 in 1 dell 5290 but i cannot get the camera to werk, can anyone help me?
[21:31] <shankara> Hello. I'm a new user of Ubuntu: (Maybe its a silly thing but... patience)
[21:31] <shankara> I have an old Toshiba p45 / i5 /2.30ghz.
[21:31] <shankara> Installed Ubuntu. Touchpad didn't work.
[21:31] <shankara> I went to a forum on Ubuntu webpage.
[21:31] <shankara> About the problem. I did what they said.
[21:31] <shankara> And Now I have this error:
[21:33] <con> shankara: You're triggering the flood prevention in the channel by sending many short messages in quick succession. Don't use the enter key as punctuation.
[21:33] <shankara> Im sorry first time here too
[21:34] <bedde25> hi, i installed ubuntu kde 22.04 on mi 2 in 1 dell 5290 but i cannot get the camera to werk, can anyone help me?
[21:40] <shankara> Hello. I'm a new user of Ubuntu: (Maybe its a silly thing but... patience)
[21:40] <shankara> I have an old Toshiba p45 / i5 /2.30ghz.
[21:40] <shankara> Installed Ubuntu. Touchpad didn't work.
[21:40] <shankara> I went to a forum on Ubuntu webpage.
[21:40] <shankara> About the problem. I did what they said.
[21:40] <shankara> And Now I have this error:
[21:47] <shankara> Well I suppose there is no Support today. Thanks anyway. I'll finish my ubuntu experience here. Arrivederci.
[21:48] <jeremy31> shankara: Is there a FN combo to enable touchpad?
[21:49] <shankara> fn+f9
[21:50] <jeremy31> shankara: Where is your forum post?
[21:50] <shankara> and a small button over it
[21:50] <shankara> hold a sec
[21:51] <shankara> https://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2151671.html
[21:52] <shankara> Not mine... i just look for one...
[21:52] <jeremy31> shankara: post URL from terminal for> xinput|nc termbin.com 9999
[21:52] <shankara> I used to have linux mint and i didn't had this problems... but this one is driving me crazy
[21:53] <jeremy31> shankara: that is odd as Mint has no special settings for touchpad..I use Mint and Ubuntu
[21:53] <bedde25> can anyone help me too? i installed ubuntu kde 22.04 on mi 2 in 1 dell 5290 but i cannot get the camera to work
[21:57] <toddc> bedde25: look at https://askubuntu.com/questions/1091320/getting-webcam-to-work-on-dell-latitude-5290-2-in-1  also see https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000129819/a-guide-to-webcams-on-dell-notebook-and-desktop-pcs-with-ubuntu-operating-systems
[21:58] <shankara> Thanks
[22:00] <toddc> bedde25: the first link ( a bit old) but dell says there are no drivers for linux on that camera  but both have guide to get more info that might help us
[22:01] <toddc> rare for a camera not to work on ubuntu but there are a few
[22:05] <bedde25> can i give you more info?
[22:05] <bedde25> maybe you need some command to identify my cam?
[22:06] <toddc> !paste | bedde25
[22:07] <bedde25> what command do you need?  "lsusb" ?
[22:07] <toddc> that would be a good start
[22:09] <bedde25> https://dpaste.com/8TNUZLKMS
[22:15] <bedde25> something wrong i cannot see my webcam into this devices... or am i missing something?
[22:16] <toddc> bedde25: I did not see it in the list hang around a bit in case some with more skills has a better Idea
[22:16] <bedde25> i think my webcam is not usb
[22:16] <bedde25> so i do not see the device there for this reason
[22:16] <toddc> bedde25: also check for a hardware switch or Fn+ to turn on the camera
[22:17] <bedde25> the enable is in the bios and i already enabled it
[22:17] <toddc> some have mutible on of switches
[22:20] <bedde25> i do not understand how to get more info
[22:20] <bedde25> i do not understand how to get more info
[22:21] <bedde25> i have no switch, my keyboard is detacheble one
[22:29] <bedde25> ill try libcamera
[22:29] <bedde25> seems to be the solution
[22:30] <bedde25> i have to go now, very late at my side. thank you so much ....
[22:30] <toddc> bedde25: near as I can tell att his point noone has found a driver to make it work
[22:42] <peenk> anyone able to help a noob install a tar.gz?
[22:42] <ravage> a tar.gz is a compressed archive
[22:42] <ravage> you unpack it. it is not an installer
[22:43] <leftyfb> peenk: what is the name of the program you are trying to install?
[22:43] <peenk> i had to move my desktop computer to the laundry room where the ethernet and modem were because ubuntu didn't pickup my wifi dongle on install
[22:44] <peenk> so i redid the install completely with ethernet and made sure to install all 3rd party and drivers. still not working.
[22:45] <peenk> this is the link to my wifi dongle
[22:45] <peenk> https://www.szedup.com/support/driver-download/usb-adpeter/ac1607gs/
[22:45] <ravage> the link is broken
[22:46] <ravage> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2412170&p=13836896#post13836896
[22:46] <ravage> looks like this is the driver you need
[22:46] <jeremy31> peenk: If it is USB post URL from terminal for> lsusb|nc termbin.com 9999
[22:47] <ravage> heh
[22:47] <peenk> im going to try that ravage sent
[22:47] <ravage> if not ask jeremy31
[22:47] <ravage> it is his post :)
[22:47] <jeremy31> 4 year old post
[22:47] <ravage> try his command
[22:48] <ravage> maybe there is an up to date solution
[22:48] <leftyfb> looks like the rtl8812au-dkms package might work as well
[22:48] <leftyfb> sudo apt install rtl8812au-dkms
[22:49] <jeremy31> leftyfb: The last I knew was that dkms was broken on that since 2016
[22:50] <leftyfb> yep, looks like the version for the package hasn't changed since
[23:00] <peenk2> hey guys im on the ubuntu machine now, i tried ravage and lefty, still nothing right now
[23:01] <peenk2> i have  the tar gz but i haven't a clue on how to actually get it installed.
[23:01] <peenk2> i could be overlooking something.
[23:02] <jeremy31> peenk2: post URL from terminal for> (mokutil --sb; lsusb)|nc termbin.com 9999
[23:03] <peenk2> this is lsusb: Bus 002 Device 005: ID 1038:160e SteelSeries ApS SteelSeries Apex 100 Gaming Keyboard
[23:03] <peenk2> Bus 002 Device 004: ID 046d:c08b Logitech, Inc. G502 SE HERO Gaming Mouse
[23:03] <peenk2> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0bda:0811 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. Realtek 8812AU/8821AU 802.11ac WLAN Adapter [USB Wireless Dual-Band Adapter 2.4/5Ghz]
[23:03] <peenk2> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
[23:03] <peenk2> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[23:03] <peenk2> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
[23:05] <Eickmeyer> !paste | peenk2
[23:05] <peenk2> ok
[23:06] <peenk2> https://dpaste.com/FSV4UGEZ3
[23:06] <jeremy31> peenk2: run the commands at https://gist.github.com/jeremyb31/38db945423ccec718802d0a56ee0f958
[23:06] <jeremy31> Secure Boot has to be disabled, check >  mokutil --sb
[23:09] <peenk2> ok running it now
[23:09] <peenk2> thanks for the help btw
[23:10] <peenk2> https://dpaste.com/FBMTZVEPY
[23:10] <jeremy31> Des Moines, IA?
[23:10] <peenk2> yes
[23:11] <jeremy31> Not far from some relatives of mine in Calhoun County
[23:11] <peenk2> a little nw from where im at
[23:12] <jeremy31> peenk2: Have fun
[23:13] <devslash> I updated from Ubuntu 23.04 to 23.10 and it worked fine. I then installed an update and it removed my grub entries and now boots to a grub prompt
[23:13] <peenk2> still not seeing my wireless connection
[23:13] <peenk2> :(
[23:13] <devslash> I can boot from grub but it goes to an initramfs prompt
[23:13] <jeremy31> peenk2: what result from terminal for> mokutil --sb
[23:14] <devslash> with an error "No root device specified. Boot arguments must include a root= parameter". I did set root=(hd1,gpt2) at the grub prompt so this is not correct
[23:14] <Umeaboy> devslash: Can you ssh into your machine?
[23:15] <peenk2> not sure how to find that out jeremy31
[23:15] <devslash> no
[23:15] <devslash> it wont boot
[23:15] <jeremy31> peenk2: open terminal with ctrl + alt + t, then paste the command in
[23:17] <Umeaboy> Run a live Ubuntu system using the iso and see if you could run sudo update-grub2 && sudo grub-install /dev/sda if sda is the prefered for grub.
[23:17] <Umeaboy> Otherwise then just reinstall grub.
[23:17] <peenk2> ya just says EFI not supported
[23:19] <Umeaboy> I don't know if Ubuntu have it, but in Mageia we have a program called fwupdate. I think that looks for updates of each firmware.....
[23:20] <Umeaboy> I could be wrong though.
[23:20] <jeremy31> peenk2: Did you reboot?
[23:20] <peenk2> yupp
[23:20] <peenk2> lemme reboot again
[23:20] <peenk2> how can i disable secure boot?
[23:20] <jeremy31> peenk2: try my commands at https://gist.github.com/jeremyb31/38db945423ccec718802d0a56ee0f958
[23:20] <peenk2> if that is what is causing my issues
[23:21] <jeremy31> peenk2: Secure Boot doesn't work without UEFI
[23:21] <Umeaboy> https://itsfoss.com/update-firmware-ubuntu/
[23:22] <devslash> any ideas
[23:22] <peenk2> do i want to enable it or disable it
[23:22] <peenk2> jeremy31
[23:22] <peenk2> i can do it from BIOS now
[23:22] <Umeaboy> devslash: Boot the iso and choose (Try before installing) option.
[23:23] <jeremy31> peenk2: You don't have to worry about Secure Boot
[23:23] <Umeaboy> Then try do the changes from inside that system.
[23:23] <peenk2> ill reboot
[23:23] <devslash> ok thanks
[23:24] <devslash> basically id need to mount my linux partition, do chroot on it and grub-install right ?
[23:26] <peenk2> back
[23:26] <peenk2> i ran those codes again, it said it was installed
[23:26] <devslash> Umeaboy grub-install isnt working
[23:26] <devslash> it says cannot find a boot device for /boot/grub
[23:27] <Umeaboy> devslash: What does your fstab look like? Pastebin it.
[23:28] <devslash> my network connection isnt working
[23:28] <devslash> im going to have to type it all out
[23:28] <Umeaboy> devslash: Is grub2-common installed?
[23:29] <jeremy31> peenk2: run the 2 commands at https://gist.github.com/jeremyb31/a2bee9856d8c13f42f1835bc31bf9480 in terminal and post the termbin URL after the second command is done
[23:29] <devslash> no
[23:30] <Umeaboy> That is the package holding the grub-install command.
[23:30] <devslash> i dont have anything that starts with grub2
[23:30] <peenk2> https://termbin.com/ij6d
[23:30] <devslash> i have grub-instal
[23:31] <devslash> when i do grub-install /dev/sdb2 now i get an error that filesystem ex2 doesnt support embedding and says error: wont proceed without blocklists
[23:32] <Umeaboy> Is sb2 where Ubuntu usually installs the bootloader? It's been a while since.......
[23:32] <devslash> where sdb2 is my linux partition
[23:32] <devslash> i think so
[23:32] <devslash> i have an efi partition on sdb2
[23:32] <devslash> i have an efi partition on sdb1
[23:33] <Umeaboy> Leave out the 2. Try that.
[23:33] <devslash> same issue
[23:33] <Umeaboy> Wow!
[23:33] <devslash> says it will not proceed without blocklists
[23:34] <Umeaboy> What happens if you type grub-install /dev/sda ?
[23:34] <peenk2> jeremy31 would it be fruitful to switch to a live distro like fedora? (if we can't get it to work)
[23:35] <devslash> by the way before doung chroot, i bound /dev , /sys and /proc to the location where i mounted my linux partition
[23:35] <Umeaboy> peenk2: Try Arch. :)
[23:35] <Eickmeyer> Umeaboy: None of that here.
[23:35] <devslash> same error with /dev/sda
[23:35] <Umeaboy> Eickmeyer: OK. Sorry.
[23:36] <Umeaboy> devslash: Have any of the previous Ubuntu versions worked before?
[23:37] <devslash> yes
[23:37] <devslash> up to 23.10
[23:37] <jeremy31> peenk2: I don't think Fedora would help
[23:37] <devslash> after i instlaled an update in 23.10 it did all of this
[23:37] <peenk2> anything i can do at this point jeremy31
[23:37] <peenk2> try a new wifi adapater
[23:37] <Eickmeyer> peenk2: Was this an upgrade to 23.10?
[23:38] <peenk2> @eick no, fresh LTS install and wifi dongle not working after various attempts
[23:38] <Eickmeyer> Oh, weird.
[23:38] <peenk2> usually ubuntu is seemless.
[23:38] <peenk2> that is why i went with it.
[23:38] <jeremy31> peenk2: post URL from terminal for> dkms status|nc termbin.com 9999
[23:39] <Eickmeyer> I was just asking as upgrades aren't supported yet, peenk2. :)
[23:39] <peenk2> https://termbin.com/ntci
[23:39] <peenk2> WARNING!
[23:39] <Umeaboy> devslash: If I were you I'd stick to 22.04.3.........at least until the issue is fixed.
[23:40] <Eickmeyer> devslash: Was yours an upgrade to 23.10?
[23:40] <devslash> thats not the issue here
[23:40] <devslash> I was on 23.04
[23:41] <devslash> I upgraded to 23.10. All was fine at first
[23:41] <devslash> I did the regular system updates then it rebooted and this happened
[23:41] <Eickmeyer> devslash: This is precisely why 23.10 upgrades are "at your own risk" right now. that "-d" flag overrides it. Upgrades aren't ready yet, because things like what you're experiencing can go wrong.
[23:42] <Eickmeyer> devslash: That said, what you have gotten yourself into is an unsupportable situation.
[23:42] <devslash> that doesn't really help me right now
[23:42] <Eickmeyer> devslash: Nor is it anybody's responsibility to help you.
[23:42] <devslash> yea Ubuntu isnt as stable as it used to be
[23:43] <Eickmeyer> devslash: But the upgrade wasn't ready, but you decided to do this against recommendation.
[23:43] <devslash> why wasnt it officially released ?
[23:43] <Eickmeyer> It's officially released for clean installs, not for upgrades yet.
[23:43] <jeremy31> peenk2: in terminal> sudo apt remove rtl8812au-dkms
[23:43] <Eickmeyer> Otherwise it would've been offered, devslash .
[23:44] <jeremy31> peenk2: sudo dkms uninstall 8812au/4.2.3 --all
[23:44] <Umeaboy> I hate to say this but Eickmeyer has a point.
[23:45] <peenk2> jeremy31 alright, did both of those commands
[23:45] <devslash> so im basically SOL?
[23:45] <Umeaboy> SOL?
[23:46] <jeremy31> peenk2: Now run the commands at https://gist.github.com/jeremyb31/38db945423ccec718802d0a56ee0f958 and reboot
[23:46] <Umeaboy> What's that an abbreviation of?
[23:46] <devslash> yea. Sh!t outta luck
[23:46] <Umeaboy> OK.
[23:46] <Umeaboy> devslash: You could ask in #linux
[23:47] <Eickmeyer> !language | devslash
[23:48] <peenk2> Error! DKMS tree already contains: 8812au-4.2.3
[23:48] <peenk2> i just did, ill reboot again
[23:50] <peenk2> back
[23:51] <peenk2> jeremy31 https://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2440741.html maybe this
[23:54] <leftyfb> devslash: which one of your filesystems is ext2?
[23:55] <jeremy31> peenk2: That version isn't right for the commands I gave,
[23:57] <jeremy31> peenk2: Can you post this on ubuntuforums.org and I or chili555 can help you there, it is time for me to grab something to eat and then go to bed
[23:57] <peenk2> ok sounds good thanks for the help
[23:58] <peenk2> im going to try fedora apparently it's an issue with my wifi dongle and ubuntu
[23:58] <peenk2> i dont think it's something that is solveable right now with this kernal


[00:31] <Irishmanluke> ok
[00:33] <Irishmanluke> don't ask me why but I used wget -r to get my routers entire web interface using the authentication options, and now the router seems to have brought it's webserver down
[00:33] <Irishmanluke> what do?
[00:34] <Irishmanluke> on the other hand my internet is working and I have beer
[01:17] <mikedep335> Irishmanluke, assuming you don't mind your internet going down, reset the power on the wireless router
[02:31] <Irishmanluke> I had to reset the router anyway because the internet stopped working
[04:24] <BeckySanderlin_x> Question: Has anyone installed any linux OS and had, upon boot, garbled letters that are just outlines of letters?   I had to reinstall (ive reinstalled Pmint2 3 times already), i can update the drivers, update the base system, then after that i cant log out or reboot or i ll get those letters.
[10:28] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:29] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[10:29] <JonathanD> howdy rmg51
[10:29] <rmg51> o/
[12:24] <HowdyDoody> Good Morning DoodyVille !
[12:26] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[12:29] <HowdyDoody> Have a hearty breakfast of Bacon yet, SamuraiAlba ?
[12:30] <SamuraiAlba> not yet
[12:33] <HowdyDoody> Hi there IdleOne, not so idle this morning
[13:19] <HowdyDoody> so y change names ? Karo-shi what is the meaning ?  or to DJAshnar ? Mr Bacon
[13:19] <Karo-shi> Karoshi is "eath by overwork"
[13:19] <Karo-shi> DJ Ashnar is my online DJ name
[14:55] <InHisName> Ok, new topic: what file do I adjust to have automatic upgrades pick up changes in vbox ?  I usually need to tweek something to include the next series of upgrades with each version change in ubuntu.
[15:26] <teddy-dbear> InHisName: did you look in update manager under settings?
[16:43] <InHisName> That 's not the usual place but I can check.
[16:44] <ssweeny> InHisName, you mean you upgraded ubuntu and want to get the virtualbox repository back?
[17:07] <InHisName> probably
[17:08] <InHisName> I ususally do vi on some cfg or other text type file to make the tweeks.   might have been in init.d/   lotta stuff there.
[17:09] <teddy-dbear> synaptic?
[17:09] <PennBot> Somebody said synaptic is open, teddy-dbear
[18:56] <ssweeny> ubuntu disables third-party repositories when you upgrade. go to software sources and check the box next to the one for virtualbox and you should be good to go
[19:27] <InHisName> found file I change --- sources.list
[19:28] <InHisName> had to change maverick to natty and remove comment mark.   Hopefully natty is right spelling to replace maverick.
[19:34] <InHisName> Ok it found the updates and is installing them.
[20:05] <InHisName> I kept getting failures to upgrade messages.   Tried shutting down all VMs and vbox,  YES! upgrade went thru.


 Is there any way I can improve the quality of this? I'm trying to take some recordings to demonstrate the interface and some of UT's features. … https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/advanceduse/screencasting.html
 Also, how are we supposed to get album art to show up in the Music app? I have one album that has AlbumArtwork.png and it shows up (I'll send a screenshot) and one that is labeled the same but in a different album and it is not showing up.
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/BmXXHmmI.png
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/AaBPlDiH.png
 @amolith, It's supposed to be The Talos Principle that has the art on it.
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 @Waruna Viraj, [Edit] Welcome, Waruna! Check out ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get yu started and feel free to ask any questions you may have in here or in our Welcome & Install room! Most people are asleep right about now but I can probably answer the majority of your questions if you have any! 🙂
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 @amolith, Do the files have album art embedded in the id3 tags?
 @dohbee, No idea. I didn't realise that was how the images were designated as cover art. Let me check and see
 I don't recall the exact method of art selection, but pretty sure it's a primary one. I try to make sure all my music has album art as part of id3 tags
 @dohbee, EasyTAG isn't showing any option for art. Could you recommend an application that does?
 Easytag does art for sure, because it's how I fixed a bunch of mine
 Where is the option? I don't see it anywhere
 But I guess this is veering a bit OT as well
 So I guess the on-topic answer would be that Music uses id3 tags to find cover art lol :wink:
 [Edit] So I guess the on-topic answer would be that Music uses id3 tags to find cover art lol 😉
 I don't think music app does anything itself for that. It just requests the thumbnail from mediascanner iirc
 Two questions: … Is there any way I can improve the quality of this? I'm trying to take some recordings to demonstrate the interface and some of UT's features. … How would I go about just saving the output rather than viewing it? I have a feeling that that would help with the video quality immensely. … https://docs.ubports.com/en/la
[03:42] <ubptgbot> test/userguide/advanceduse/screencasting.html
 @amolith, The problem is that the Canonical server that provided arts is down now
[07:11] <ubptgbot> A was added by: A
 Hello. Where can I find translations for the lock screen messages?
 @dohbee, Well that explains why I can't run things
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 @amolith, Embedded artwork in mp3s should show up automatically. If you use a separate image it needs to be named <cover.jpg> or <cover.png> (I think .png works although all of mine are .jpgs).
 (Photo, 1920x1200) https://irc.ubports.com/QhbCSgve.png
 @BrisPete, Yup embedded, then folder art, then online is the precedence. (Don't know if online still works)
 @TronFortyTwo, who would we contact to add this item to the 'to do' list?  is this infra?
 @Flohack
 @wayneoutthere, I think so but not sure
 IIRC thumbnailer was using 7digital at one point
 (via the canonical search domain)
 But it could probably be easily changed to just lookup Wikipedia or something
 @TronFortyTwo, Lol
 @BrisPete, I've got it all set up now lol
 @amolith, 👌
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 Hey I was wondering, I saw on the website the Nexus 5 is supported. Does that include the Nexus 5X or just Nexus 5?
 @amolith, Okay
 @AlexanderPlaza, It's just the Nexus 5 for now. The 5X is a whole other beast
 @amolith, I could imagine! I'm currently on the hunt for 2 Nexus 5 32gb phones so I can start using Ubuntu Touch. 😊
 Thanks for answering my question
 @AlexanderPlaza, I got mine brand new on Ebay for ~$100 but I've heard you can find them for as low as ~$50
 @amolith, Nice! I live in Canada so those prices would be a bit higher for sure... … I keep seeing some places say it supports SD card, other places that don't... Does it have an SD card or at least support for one?
 @AlexanderPlaza, It does not have expandable storage, no.
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 Hi, I've been using UT for a little over a month and am very happy with it. I've finally got a nextcloud server working, with static IP, letsencrypt, and lots of new skills it has taken me weeks to learn.
 Now I'm stuck. On one of my aborted attempts to create a NC server, I installed the NC app and it got stuck on a startscreen. I've uninstalled it and tried again, but it's still locked.
 Does anyone know how I can clear out the snap configuration and start afresh?
 @Danceswithcats, 👍Feel free to share your knowledge by making some notes
 @Stereofont, Will do. I promised Florian I'd put some notes on the forum about the Fairphone firmware update. Have been qutie busy, but will do it.
 @Danceswithcats, What are you making the server on?
 What device are you using I mean
 Because I will extol the virtues of using a Pi with NextCloudPi all day long, especially if it's just for personal use.
 An old Dell Latitude D430. It's not ideal, as you can't easily expand the storage, but it has served for the learning process. I'm hoping to buy a second-hand Zotac miniPC after payday.
 @Danceswithcats, > a second-hand Zotac miniPC after payday … Which one?
 Dunno. It's an Atom, 1,8ghz. I've got to get over to the shop and check whether it can handle hardware accelerated virtualisation-the shopkeeper's not too keen on poking around in the BIOS. However, for £130, it's a barg.
 you might want to move that discussion to https://t.me/UBports_Cloudsters too :)
 @dohbee, Thank you. I didn't know it existed. I'e forwarded my query over there.
 you must have a lot of ongoing chats in telegram, because you were already joined in it :P
 Yes. So I was. Sorry. One group just seems to lead to another.😳
 @Danceswithcats, There are many, many UBports groups in Telegram
 @amolith, I have a solution for that
 Will pm wayne later
 @amolith, Certainly are! Does anyone know how to take a screenshot in UT? I'm using a Fairphone 2.
 @Danceswithcats, Hold both volume buttons
 well, press them both
 @vanyasem, Genius! Thanks.
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 apakah saya untuk meminta tolong ubuntu touch port to xiaomi redmi note 4 mido.. terimakasih
 @arsyad16, This is a group in English. Please keep to that
 http://t.me/UBports_IND
 This is a link for our Indonesia group
 iirc, there was someone (or multiple people) working on xiaomi ports, including redmi note 4
 but it's not currently a supported device
 Redmi 5 Note also I think
 @Stereofont, Link
 halium.org
 https://github.com/Halium/halium-devices
 Ports are at all different stages and some may have been abandoned
 can someone help me to locate `libwhoopsie` repository?
 @vanyasem, https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~daisy-pluckers/whoopsie/trunk/files
 @DanChapman, thank you
 oh whoopsie, whee
 maybe we should patch that out of stuff
 @vanyasem, 👍 yw
 automated crash reports that devs can't read, isn't helpful i guess
 @dohbee, i guess that's what i will end up doing
 i don't want whoopsie on my Arch box :P
 i don't recall how much stuff uses libwhoopsie, but i can probably help go through and remove the dep, later
 Flo was playing around with trying to setup a whoopsie/daisy type thing a while back so the reports could be somehow accessible. Not sure how far he got with it though
 @DanChapman, probably he discovered GPDR and said nope
 lol
 @DanChapman, Far enough to ask the wrong question and get a rather cross answer from the dev team
 So the project lays there
 from which dev team?
 replacing whoopsie on ubuntu installs is probably a pretty bad idea
 iirc, it's not designed to upload reports for X packages to a different server than those for Y packages
 i think it might be better to disconnect ourselves from whoopsie for now.
 For sure
 @dohbee, Yes we will not be able to maintain it. Its totally undocumented, uses a ton of not frequently used cloud services, and then on top of it its written in Python or smth strange? Ruby? dunno 😆
 daisy? either python or go i would guess
 i'd expect python since it talks to launchpad
 yup py
 :(
 Just lost my libertine container
 Poof gone
 Very odd. I changed nothing in the few days. Only thing I can think of is my tablet ran out of power, but my fp2 does that all the time without issues
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 Hello together! Is there any possibility to backup Dekko-profiles?
 It is really annoying after reinstall of UT to reconfigure all profiles again...
 [Edit] It is really annoying after reinstall of UT to reconfigure all Dekko profiles by hand again...
 you should be able to back up the app's config and data directories i guess
 @DanChapman ?
 @YougoChats, did you delete `~/.cache/` perhaps?
 Not consciously at least.
 Unity sometimes fails when connecting a BT mouse, but otherwise everything is rocksolid on my m10. Could that cause some kind of purge of.cache?
 I'm not missing any other app or con fig, libertine itself is fine too. Just the container is gone
 You know what is awesome though?
 @YougoChats, it shouldn't
 I made a new container with the same name, reinstalled the apps I had, and they have all their history!
 well the container is meant to be something that you can accidentally destroy and recover from; but yeah, it's annoying if you have lots of stuff in one container, or lots of containers
 exactly
 Even vnc viewer which I installed from a downloaded deb has it's stored connections and passwords 😎
 yes, those aren't stored in cache, or inside the container (but in the app-specific dir in config or data dirs)
 Browsing through cache, if I'd wiped all that I'd be missing a whole lot more.
 Odd that only the libertine container would be gone.
 The only way to do that is via the ctainer manager or perhaps uttt
 Or terminal, but one doesn't type a functional 30 character string by accident
 Hmm a slide and a tap is all it needs do trash a container from the libertine manager gui. I suppose I could have done that while moving the tablet while unlocked. PEBCAK it is then
 In the Welcome Room a situation I haven't found before. Nexus 5. Installer announces success, Yumi appears with moving circles. All good. Then it hangs on the fastboot screen…
 Seems like a bootloader error?
 Multiple 'suucessful' repeat installs have the same result
 yeah i've had it happen a couple times, just hold down power button to reboot
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 @dohbee, I suggested that and thought it was done. Same thing from recovery. But will double check it was tried
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 Ubuntu touch for zuk z1?!
 It is not a supported device yet


[00:00] <genii> Is there a decent channel or resource to find out what is available for ARM platforms?
[00:01] <genii> (more specifically Cortex A8)
[00:06] <jdong> who in ~core-dev usually cares about Transmission (the bittorrent client)?
[00:06] <jdong> in bug 460620, people are reporting that private trackers are starting to ban transmission <=1.75
[00:07] <jdong> in which case, 1.76 is a fairly unintrusive, bugfix-only minor release.
[00:07] <jdong> it may be worth sticking that into -proposed.
[00:37] <ajmitch> jdong: they're banning something only a couple of days after a new version is released?
[00:38] <jdong> ajmitch: it doesn't make much sense to me either
[00:38] <ajmitch> the world of bittorrent is full of crack
[00:39] <jdong> yeah private torrent trackers are some sort of black magic groupthink.
[01:01] <lifeless> ogra: whats up with http://www.plugcomputer.org/plugwiki/index.php/Ubuntu_9.0.4_Plug_Computer_Distribution saying karmic isn't supported?
[01:16] <ebroder> Is there a reason that Karmic has a Debian-native source package but a non-native version number?
[01:16] <lifeless> ebroder: EPARSE
[01:17] <ebroder> Err, sorry - typo. "Is there a reason that Karmic's dbus has a Debian-native..."
[01:19] <ajmitch> someone made a mistake in the upload?
[01:19] <ajmitch> or it could be intentional, it looks like it goes back a few revisions
[01:20] <ebroder> Looks like it started with the first 1.2.16 upload
[01:20] <ebroder> The 1.2.14 releases had .diff.gzs
[01:22] <ebroder> I'll file a bug
[01:23] <jdong> looks to me like it "accidentally" mutated into a debian-native package :)
[01:23] <ebroder> Agreed
[01:23]  * jdong starts a bzr-related conspiracy theory!
[01:25] <ajmitch> though if it's in bzr, it should at least mention that somewhere in the package
[01:25] <ebroder> bug #462326 if you want to follow along
[01:54] <hyperair> is there any way at all to get the $host string as autotools' configure sees it, from, say dpkg-architecture?
[02:00] <lifeless> apparently we're meant to for all packages nowadays
[02:00] <lifeless> I haven't looked up the $foo to do that
[02:04] <hyperair> well yeah
[02:04] <hyperair> but the problem is configure detects i486-pc-linux-gnu
[02:04] <hyperair> and dpkg-architecture says i486-linux-gnu
[02:04]  * hyperair grumbles. why can't it all just be standardized already?!
[02:23] <zooko> doko__: good job identifying that GNU assembler patch.
[02:37] <Rovanion> How do I get hold of makeinfo?
[02:40] <TheMuso> Rovanion: Its in texinfo I think.
[02:41] <Rovanion> Thank you, and what's the package name for the c++ g++ compiler?
[02:42] <Rovanion> I found it, build-essential
[02:51] <ScottK> zooko: So you got it firgured out?
[02:52] <zooko> doko has isolated the change to binutils that causes the problem and opened a ticket with them.  That's progress.
[02:52] <ScottK> Cool.
[02:54] <ScottK> zooko: Any way to figure out if there are affected packages in the archive?  I'd guess there are ...
[03:06] <zooko> I have no idea, but you're right that this should be investigated.
[03:06] <zooko> The first thing we can do is exclude all packages that were built before the bad binutils version.
[03:06] <zooko> The next thing is that as far as we know this affects only assembly code, not C or C+.
[03:06] <zooko> C++.
[03:06] <zooko> But I have almost no understanding of the actual issue in binutils.
[03:08] <zooko> I'm tired and I'm feeling the strong urge to play a game.
[03:08] <zooko> Buuut I guess there are a few important tasks for my open source project that I should do first...
[03:13] <zooko> Hm, I see that Alan Modra posted an example on http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10856
[03:14] <zooko> If I understand correctly this issue affects only asm code with ".intel_syntax".
[03:20] <zooko> I can't stand it anymore.  I'm giving into my craving and starting a game of Dungeon Crawl.
[06:53] <scarface[94]> hi guys. just wondering what time i will be able to update to 'karmic koala', no the RC. Preferably in AEDST.
[06:54] <TheMuso> scarface[94]: If you intend to update your system via apt-get upgrade, thats possible now.
[06:54] <scarface[94]> to the final release, not the RC?
[06:56] <StevenK> scarface[94]: Your best bet is to wait for the release annoucement
[07:04] <hyperair> YokoZar: ping
[07:05] <dholbach> good morning
[07:05] <hyperair> YokoZar: is it okay if i use i486-linux-gnu (what dpkg-architecture returns) instead of i486-pc-linux-gnu (what configure detects and places in $host)?
[07:05] <hyperair> for ia32-libs, that is
[07:05] <hyperair> morning dholbach =)
[07:05] <dholbach> hey hyperair
[07:06] <hyperair> =)
[08:31] <mvo> Riddell: bug #444979 seems to be relatively frequent on kubuntu upgrades :/ I get it here in my test machine too
[08:35] <SteveA> has something changed in ssh timeouts for karmic?
[08:36] <SteveA> I'm getting idle ssh connections closed, and they weren't doing that a few weeks ago
[08:47] <pitti> Good morning
[09:19] <soren> cjwatson: If I have suggestions for       * Colin (I just helped a bit) interviewed all the members of ~motu that are not ~ubuntu-core-dev yet and asked which future permissions they need.
[09:19] <soren> Whoops.
[09:20] <soren> Gah..
[09:20] <soren> cjwatson: If I have suggestions for http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/packagesets, what do I do?
[09:21] <soren> cjwatson: Just tell you here or is this tracked somewhere else where I can propose it?
[09:22] <cjwatson> soren: preferably not at all, they're automatically generated from seeds
[09:22] <cjwatson> I don't ever want to be maintaining that by hand, and I wish that Daniel had not advertised it
[09:22] <cjwatson> people are not supposed to need to look at that directly - it's an intermediate file
[09:23] <soren> cjwatson: Ah, sorry.
[09:23] <cjwatson> there are tools to look at the sets in Launchpad, which we should brush up and make easier to use
[09:23] <cjwatson> try lp:ubuntu-archive-tools, you can use edit_acl.py for this
[09:25] <soren> cjwatson: So.. Although they're based on something called seeds, this is different from the current seeds, right? If I propose adding a package to ubuntu-server, will that change anything in terms of expected support level, or is it simply about upload rights?
[09:25] <cjwatson> can I get back to you about this later please?
[09:25] <soren> Certainly.
[09:25] <cjwatson> briefly, though, there is only one meaning of "seeds" involved here
[09:25] <soren> I'll ping you later. Forget about it.
[09:25] <Mamarok> hi, I just added a comment to this bug report, seems there is a hard limitation to a max. of 1024 open files that causes crashes on various applications needing databases: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/417025
[09:26] <Mamarok> Riddell: seb128 I subscribed you both since it affects both KDE and Gnome apps AFAICT
[09:29] <seb128> Mamarok, I've no clue about that issue but that doesn't seem a GNOME bug
[09:51] <ogra> lifeless, it's true ... we only support armv6 and above with karmic, the gcc default config is set to build with armv6 and vfp
[09:55] <Tm_T> ogra: hmm, wasn't it that way before too?
[09:55] <ogra> Tm_T, jaunty was v5 and only a selected bunch of packages was compiled with vfp (libc etc ..)
[09:56] <Tm_T> roger
[09:57]  * Tm_T is with v4 device so wouldn't notice any difference (;
[09:58] <pitti> ScottK: there are still two universe uploads in the queue; do you still think they are fine to go in? or should they be rejected and become SRUs?
[10:04] <slangasek> pitti: ScottK has re-delegated those decisions to us
[10:04] <slangasek> pitti: I only see one universe package in the -release queue, though
[10:04] <pitti> ah, lmms is -proposed, right
[10:40] <Chipzz> Mamarok: your assertion that that is a hard limit is false
[10:41] <Chipzz> since it can be configured
[10:43] <Chipzz> add a value for fs.file-max in /etc/sysctl.conf (http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/chap6sec72.html)
[10:44] <Chipzz> Mamarok: may I suggest you do your homework properly next time? ;P
[10:54] <dholbach> pitti: bug 429322 has A LOT of duplicates
[10:55] <dholbach> looks like a new record :)
[10:59] <pitti> 158 dups? hmm, could be
[11:10] <YokoZar> hyperair: probably, I'm not sure if there's an established standard as it is
[11:11] <hyperair> YokoZar: alright then
[11:14] <dholbach> pitti: I personally think it might be just something that happens during shutdown
[11:14] <joaopinto> does anyone know the bug nr for the unuable VTs ?
[11:15] <dholbach> pitti: and apport popping up on next login
[11:15] <pitti> dholbach: yeah, I guess we'd have noticed much earlier if it was genuinely broken; I guess pretty much every developer on gnome will use that
[11:15] <joaopinto> unusable
[11:16] <dholbach> pitti: how does the traceback look to you?
[11:17] <dholbach> it didn't seem to be much to do with seahorse-plugins? something changed in gtk dealing with iconsets and stuff?
[11:19] <pitti> it doesn't tell me anything, I'm afraid
[11:19] <pitti> I'll ask Robert about it
[11:22] <dholbach> pitti: maybe we can make pedro_ fix bug 429322
[11:22] <dholbach> I'm sure he can do it
[11:25] <pitti> dholbach: I assigned it to robert_ancell for now; if you think that pedro can, feel free to reassign ;)
[11:25] <pedro_> dholbach, pitti I'm not *too* sure about that :-P
[11:26] <seb128> dholbach, crashes in iconset functions are usually corruptions
[11:26] <pedro_> dholbach, i'll fix it if you give me the patch, sure :-)
[11:26] <seb128> dholbach, ie need valgrind
[11:26] <seb128> pedro_, and by fix you mean assign the bug to me for reviewing the changes?
[11:26] <seb128> and upload too
[11:27] <pedro_> seb128, you got it ;-)
[11:27] <seb128> lol
[11:27] <dholbach> :-)
[11:58] <kevix1> I was compiling a program on jaunty, I ran the configure script and the script said some file was not present. but I checked the script and it was looking for the file only if it was '-x'. the file was present but not '-x'. So I chmod +x the file, and this make the configure script finish. should the file /usr/lib/libSDL_ttf* be +x? if so, I should file a bug?
[11:59] <cjwatson> libraries should not normally be +x. sounds like a configure script bug
[11:59] <cjwatson> (libc is an exception to this, before you say :-) )
[12:00] <kevix1> oh. the famously red-haired cj watson. wow, that is great service :)
[12:01] <kevix1> ok. that was my inclination.
[12:50] <tordne> @jstrand: hey JStrand, last time you answered me on my problem for apparmor
[12:51] <tordne> @jstrand: after two days looking on internet i just uninstalled it
[12:52] <tordne> @jstrand: I just wanted to try again and as you said it wasn't include in my /boot/config.2.6.* file
[12:53] <tordne> so I searched in the other config files and just copied the few lines from apparmor in the file currently used
[12:53] <tordne> now after restarting it said that the module was loaded
[12:53] <tordne> @jstrand: so thanks for the tip
[12:53] <jdstrand> tordne: great :)
[13:01] <snth> I changed the label for my SWAP partition and made sure to change it in /etc/fstab. However, after I reboot the kernel says that it can't resume from "the old-label" .. but everything else works fine.
[13:01] <snth> Does anyone know where is this old label at? How can I change it?
[13:13] <soren> snth: /etc/initramfs/conf.d/resume, I would guess.
[15:00] <ScottK> doko_: Do we need to worry about having misbuilt packages in the archive due to 461303?
[15:03] <doko_> ScottK: if packages directly code asm, using intel syntax, yes. I doubt these are many
[15:03] <ScottK> I suppose no easy way to find out?
[15:07] <doko_> you could search for .intel_syntax
[15:10] <ScottK> Now if only I had an local mirror...
[15:11] <doko_> maybe mvo can help, I think he has some scripts
[15:23] <Mamarok> Chipzz: sorry, had to run
[15:23] <Mamarok> also, you probalby misread what I said
[15:24] <Mamarok> Chipzz: just because one can confugre it, doesn't mean the default is set correctly, and it definitely is too low, check the number of crash reports with that error message
[15:25] <markey> ahoy
[15:25] <mvo> bug #461303
[15:25] <Chipzz> the bug-report doesn't even mention that it's about the default
[15:26] <kees> doko_: I can do that search
[15:26] <Chipzz> you say: this doesn't work, it's a bug.
[15:26] <Chipzz> which it isn't, it's a default that doesn't happen to work for you
[15:26] <Mamarok> Chipzz: that is not my report, I added a comment, read that
[15:26] <mvo> doko_, ScottK: I can create a script that crawles the archive for this, but I expect it will take a very long time to complete
[15:27] <kees> mvo, doko_, ScottK: I have a local mirror, existing scripts, and 4 CPUs.  I'll have it in about an hour.
[15:27] <mvo> cool, thanks kees
[15:27] <ScottK> kees: Excellent.
[15:27] <markey> Chipzz: may I suggest that you think before writing?
[15:27] <markey> I hear that helps
[15:28] <markey> just because you can change it doesn't make it a good default
[15:28] <markey> or sane in any way
[15:28] <markey> 1024 was a good default.. 1995
[15:28] <markey> computers have changed, our use cases have changed
[15:29] <Chipzz> markey: say what?
[15:30] <Chipzz> markey: may I suggest YOU think before writing?
[15:30] <markey> go ahead
[15:30] <Chipzz> markey: ubuntu can be installed as a desktop, as a server, as a mythtv backend/frontend...
[15:30] <Mamarok> Chipzz: you can't expect all users to know how to change that or even to know why their applications crash
[15:31] <Mamarok> and we talk about dektop applications that everybody uses, noobs
[15:31] <Chipzz> there is no such thing as one default which works for everyone of those use-cases, so the ubuntu devs probably choose the one which consumed the least resources by default
[15:31] <Mamarok> Chipzz: you one of these devs?
[15:32] <Chipzz> no, but I have substantial experience with debian and ubuntu, and have done quite a bit of unofficial packaging
[15:32] <Mamarok> Chipzz: *sigh*
[15:33] <Chipzz> actually I'm going to correct myself here
[15:33] <Chipzz> the 1024 default isn't even a default chosen by the ubuntu devs, it is the default which originates from the kernel
[15:35] <Keybuk> 1024 is the default for what?
[15:35] <Chipzz> Mamarok: and for the record, I just reread your report. Unless my reading comprehension is failing me, you do not mention this is about a default
[15:35] <Chipzz> Keybuk: maximum number of open files
[15:35] <Keybuk> if any software considers that a limit, that's a bug in the software
[15:36] <Chipzz> Keybuk: fs.max-file sysctl
[15:36] <Keybuk> Chipzz: has nothing to do with that value ;)
[15:36] <Mamarok> Keybuk: it is the default value in Ubuntu, and this is defintely too low for software that uses databases
[15:36] <Keybuk> Mamarok: then file bugs upstream on those pieces of software for not handling -ENOFILE properly
[15:37] <Keybuk> 1024 is a soft limit, the hard limit is over 1,000 times higher
[15:37] <Keybuk> apps are quite free to raise their own limit
[15:38] <Chipzz> Keybuk: Mamarok was claiming this was a hard limit, not me :)
[15:38] <Mamarok> Chipzz: I never did, I just said the default value was too low
[15:38] <slangasek> and what kind of database requires more than 1024 file descriptors?
[15:38] <Chipzz> Mamarok: you most certainly did
[15:38] <slangasek> A large database /engine/, perhaps, with dozens of dbs, but you don't say that
[15:38] <Keybuk> /proc/sys/fs/nr_open contains the hard limit
[15:38] <Chipzz> 10:25 < Mamarok> hi, I just added a comment to this bug report, seems there is a hard limitation to a max. of 1024 open files that causes crashes on various applications needing databases:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/417025
[15:39] <Keybuk> the default soft limit is "low" to stop buggy software from consuming vast amounts of kernel memory by opening files
[15:40] <Mamarok> well, wrong wording on my side then, still the default value is too low IMHO
[15:40] <Keybuk> the fact that your software fails to handle the returned errno certainly classifies it as buggy
[15:40] <Chipzz> Keybuk: am I misreading http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/chap6sec72.html then? "The file-max file /proc/sys/fs/file-max sets the maximum number of file-handles that the Linux kernel will allocate. We generally tune this file to improve the number of open files by increasing the value of /proc/sys/fs/file-max to something reasonable..."
[15:40] <Keybuk> Mamarok: in my very un-humble opinion, the limit is perfect
[15:41] <slangasek> Chipzz: what does 'cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max' say on your system?
[15:42] <Chipzz> chipzz@sophos:~$ cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max
[15:42] <Chipzz> 101699
[15:42] <slangasek> that's distinctly not 1024
[15:42] <Keybuk> Chipzz: that number gets a bit randomly set ;)
[15:42] <slangasek> the only limit that's 1024 is the soft ulimit
[15:42] <Chipzz> not sure if that's the default though, but only ubuntu box I have access to right away ;)
[15:43] <slangasek> so as Keybuk says, it's an application bug
[15:43] <Chipzz> chipzz@sophos:~$ ulimit -n
[15:43] <Chipzz> 1024
[15:43] <Keybuk> that's still a soft limit ;)
[15:43] <Chipzz> yeah, just saying where the 1024 value comes from
[15:43] <slangasek> Chipzz: the default for file-max is calculated by the kernel taking the size of your available memory and shooting cosmic rays at it
[15:44] <Chipzz> cosmic rays uh? :)
[15:44] <slangasek> yes, to randomly flip bits
[15:44] <Chipzz> slangasek: is there actually a way of setting the default soft-limit for non-login shells?
[15:45] <slangasek> depends on what it is that you're trying to set a limit on
[15:45] <slangasek> if it's cron as the bug title suggests, then /etc/pam.d/cron already calls pam_limits
[15:45] <slangasek> so /etc/security/limits.conf is your friend
[15:46] <Chipzz> slangasek: general daemons started at bootup
[15:46]  * Mamarok should probably have filed a separate bug, then...
[15:46] <Chipzz> slangasek: I've run into a problem where a daemon like nginx requires more than the default number of handles, and I can't get it to work out of he box
[15:47] <Chipzz> slangasek: well, the problem is more: make sure it works without restarting the daemon. because if I log in to the box, make sure ulimit is set corectly etc, and restart the daemon, it gets the correct values. just never when booting
[15:48] <slangasek> Chipzz: usually a 'ulimit' call in the init script; upstart jobs also support setting ulimits with a 'limit' directive; I don't think trying to change the soft limit system-wide is the right way to address this
[15:48] <Chipzz> which results in having to manually log in after each reboot
[15:48] <Chipzz> slangasek: hacky :S
[15:48] <slangasek> no
[15:49] <Chipzz> slangasek: hacking an init script to include a call to ulimit is sth I'ld rather avoid ;)
[15:50] <slangasek> then convert it to an upstart job
[15:50] <slangasek> or fix the daemon to do something sensible on its own
[15:51] <Chipzz> slangasek: actually this is on a debian system so I guess off-topic for this chan ;)
[15:51] <Keybuk> limit nofile 1048576 1048576
[15:51] <Keybuk> upstart ftw
[15:52] <slangasek> Chipzz: upstart, coming soon to a Debian release near you
[15:52] <Chipzz> slangasek: oh? debian converting to upstart too?
[15:52] <Mamarok> just so you know, guys, there are roughly 20 open bugs on Launchpad that all refer to that very problem
[15:52] <Chipzz> I must have missed the memo ;)
[15:52] <kees> doko_: here is main: http://pastebin.osuosl.org/29735  universe is still running
[15:54] <slangasek> Chipzz: once a compatibility mode is available for the non-Linux ports
[15:57] <doko_> kees: none of these were built after the binutils upload, and binutils itself is a false positive (testsuite)
[15:57] <kees> sure, I think gccxml is a false positive too (it just emits it, doesn't use it itself)
[15:58] <kees> I'm getting a lot more hits in universe.  up to "r" currently.
[16:03] <tordne> tordne
[16:06] <kees> doko_: http://pastebin.osuosl.org/29738 universe
[16:06] <kees> doko_: no hits in multiverse
[16:07] <doko_> kees: what do you mean by "hits"?
[16:08] <kees> doko_: no file in the contents of a source package in multiverse contained ".intel_syntax"
[16:09] <doko_> ahh, did misread this for universe.
[16:09] <doko_> ScottK: well, then just check the list to see if any of those was uploaded after binutils 20091014 did enter the archive
[16:10] <ScottK> Will do.
[16:11] <ScottK> doko_ and kees: If the bad binutils will cause a bad build of binutils, how do we fix it?
[16:12] <ScottK> Since that's the first one on the list ....
[16:13]  * kees doesn't know about that
[16:14] <doko_> ScottK: these are false positives (the testsuite has test cases)
[16:14] <ScottK> doko_: Good to hear.
[16:14]  * ScottK relaxes
[16:19] <ScottK> doko_ and kees: Main is clear.
[16:25] <doko_> ScottK: yes, I checked for that, just not universe
[16:26] <ScottK> doko_ and kees: Universe is clear too.  Closest hit was two days before.
[16:26] <ScottK> kees: Thanks for doing the search.
[16:28] <kees> ScottK: sure, no problemo
[16:43] <cjwatson> ScottK: should such a thing happen, we'd produce temporary build chroots with an older binutils put on hold, and push through a binutils build
[16:44] <ScottK> cjwatson: Thanks.
[17:20] <rbrito> Hi there.
[17:20] <rbrito> Is there anything that can be done to get live CDs for the ports?
[17:20] <rbrito> Especially regarding powerpc?
[17:20] <rbrito> Some of the ports' CDs have not been auto-built for some time now. :-(
[17:21] <rbrito> And I would sincerely love to have a new operating system for my iBook G3.
[17:22] <rbrito> If anybody needs a hand, I'm here to help a little bit.  So nobody cares for oversized stuff, be happy that you can find that stuff still ^^
[17:30] <rbrito> BTW, talking about ports, are the ports archives mirrored?
[17:30] <Riddell> rbrito: I fear you are too late for this cycle, there's less than a day until release.  but in general people to test the images and fix whatever the issues are with them are welcome
[17:31] <rbrito> Riddell, I've filed at least one bug some days ago.
[17:31] <Riddell> rbrito: very few developers currently care about powerpc, I think it needs someone to fix the bugs rather than just report them
[17:31] <rbrito> sebner, As I understood it, the ports support would be offered on a best-effort basis.
[17:31] <ccheney> wow garmin is taking a beating from google today
[17:32] <sebner> rbrito:  well official supported ports != ports available
[17:32] <rbrito> Riddell, any pointers for how the images are auto-built?
[17:32] <rbrito> sebner, Thanks, I know that.
[17:33] <ScottK> rbrito: For this cycle the images are what they are.  It's acutally a testement to work on ports that there are live CD images at all.  It's been several releases since we managed that.
[17:33] <Riddell> rbrito: there are seeds at launchpad.net/ubuntu-seeds which create the meta packages of what should go on the CDs.  CDs are built with cdimage (also somewhere in launchpad)
[17:33] <ScottK> They should work OK if you burn them on a dvd.
[17:34] <rbrito> Riddell, Thanks for the pointer. I didn't know about the modus operandi of creation of Ubuntu images.
[17:34] <rbrito> ScottK, no DVD reader here on my iBook.
[17:35] <rbrito> Anyway, I'm offering some man-hours, if that's welcome. :-)
[17:35] <rbrito> I'd be glad to contribute in one way or another.
[17:36] <rbrito> Even if it doesn't make it the 9.10 release.
[17:36] <rbrito> (Say, if it made it to the first point release, I would be happy).
[17:36] <slangasek> there are no point releases of 9.10
[17:36] <ScottK> rbrito: We can work on it for 10.04 though.
[17:37] <ScottK> rbrito: Can your iBook boot to USB?
[17:37] <rbrito> slangasek, so, things are different regarding to Debian, vorlon?
[17:37] <slangasek> rbrito: sure, a release every 6 months is different from Debian
[17:38] <rbrito> ScottK, I think that I can, but I will have to mess with Open Firmware...
[17:38] <rbrito> slangasek, I had the impression that Ubuntu had point releases. Is that only for your long term releases?
[17:38] <ScottK> I've no idea about Mac stuff, but you can burn the image to a USB card/stick.
[17:38] <ScottK> rbrito: That's correct.  Only LTS
[17:38] <rbrito> ScottK, right. Nice to know about it.
[17:39] <rbrito> (And, BTW, I'm not only worried about Macs, but also about Linux running on some embedded computers, but I guess that this is completely out-of-scope for Ubuntu).
[17:40] <ScottK> We have only one or two developers that even have PowerPC hardware, so we need all the help we can get.
[17:40] <rbrito> ScottK, great. I'd be willing to help with that.
[17:40] <rbrito> I'm mostly doing things in Debian...
[17:41] <ScottK> rbrito: TheMuso is the guy to talk to then.
[17:41] <rbrito> Great. I will talk to Luke, then.
[17:41] <ScottK> He's in .au, so probably sleeping unless my TZ math is off
[17:41] <rbrito> ScottK, I'm in .br, which is -0200 now.
[17:42] <rbrito> (Daylight Savings Time)
[17:44] <rbrito> Well, I think that I'll install ubuntu the hard way, then (a minimal businesscard with wired connection and then a straight side-grade to Ubuntu).
[17:48] <rbrito> Well, thanks for your comments. So, for starters, I should check the ubuntu-seeds part of launchpad?
[17:52] <rbrito> OK. Thanks for all the comments.
[17:53] <rbrito> I'm going now.
[17:59] <jcastro> Keybuk: is there a way to replicate a day's slots for the rest of the week in summit? Or am I doomed to make them all by hand?
[18:01] <Keybuk> jcastro: only by SQL
[18:02] <jcastro> Keybuk: what would it cost me for you to do that for me. It will take me forever to do the rest of the days. :(
[18:02] <jcastro> name your price sire.
[18:02] <slangasek> asac: hmm, bug #455045> if a user screws up their /etc/network/interfaces and comments out lo, would NM do anything with it?
[18:04] <ebroder> So, uh, now that Karmic is spinning down, anybody from ubuntu-sru willing to take a look at bug #330766?
[18:04] <jdong> when is the big magical archive reorg due to happen?
[18:05] <ebroder> We've had a tested patch for about 2.5 months now...
[18:06] <asac> slangasek: the idea is that NM ups lo
[18:06] <slangasek> asac: ... uh.
[18:07] <asac> yes
[18:07] <asac> the code is still there
[18:08] <slangasek> blah
[18:08] <slangasek> and does NM hook into upstart, to emit net-device-up events?
[18:08] <slangasek> (or does it hook into /etc/network/if-up.d?)
[18:09] <jdong> ebroder: fastest way is probably to capture a core-dev sponsor and shove it into the -proposed queue ;-)
[18:09] <asac> if-up.d but loopback might be special
[18:09] <ebroder> jdong: I...can do that?
[18:09] <asac> oh
[18:09] <asac> slangasek: heh
[18:09] <asac> ok so the Debian backend runs /sbin/ifup lo ...
[18:09] <asac> :/
[18:09] <asac> so yeah
[18:10] <jdong> ebroder: there's never been explicit declaration whether the SRU ACK comes before the upload or vice-versa. In universe I prefer the former as it's easier to review, but for -main the SRU guys overlap quite a bit with those managing the queue anyway
[18:11] <asac> slangasek: so what behaviour do we want from NM?
[18:11] <ebroder> I see. In, uh, that case, any core-devs willing to upload the SRU fix for bug #330766? :)
[18:11] <asac> isnt it right to not up "lo" if there is no configuration in interfaces? otherwise you cannot opt-out at all anymore
[18:12] <slangasek> asac: what do you mean, opt out?
[18:12] <asac> comment "lo"
[18:12] <asac> in interfaces
[18:12] <slangasek> if someone does that, why should NM do anything?
[18:13] <slangasek> anyway, my real question here is: is NM bringing up the interface in a way that /etc/init/portmap.conf doesn't see it
[18:13] <asac> slangasek: it runs /sbin/ifup lo
[18:13] <slangasek> why does it do that at all?  /etc/init/networking.conf will already do that
[18:14] <slangasek> (and if lo is missing from /etc/network/interfaces, what is 'ifup lo' supposed to get you?)
[18:14] <ScottK> kees: New clamav release is out with (AFAICT) no security fixes in it.
[18:15] <kees> ScottK: ok
[18:16] <mvo> Riddell: can I help with bug #459471 in any way? I would love to get it into -proposed asap, otherwise I see more triage work for upgrade failures coming my way
[18:18] <Riddell> mvo: just looking at it now
[18:19] <mvo> cool, many thanks Riddell
[18:29] <Riddell> mvo: I think this should do it http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebindings/ubuntu/revision/64
[18:32] <mvo> Riddell: cool, thanks. -proposed is ready for uploading, I can do a test upgrade from a ppa as well to ensure the fix works (tomorrow morning)
[18:33] <hdon> hi all. for some reason when i use valgrind --db-attach=yes, i get no debugging symbols when the debugger attaches. the backtrace is just ????. is that a known problem on jaunty?
[18:33] <Riddell> mvo: uploading then
[18:33] <mvo> Riddell: thanks
[19:33] <jmadgin> hi there! I've just come over from a convo with videolan channel, they told me you guys may be able to help! since i upgradfrom 9.04 to 9.10 my avi's dont seem to work in movie player or vlc. I checked the readout from vlc diagnostic and it said the encoder couldnt be found. I checked the encoder in synaptic and its there?
[19:33] <jmadgin> i'm tearing my hair out trying to fix this, any advice?
[19:44] <ebroder> What time will Karmic release, again? Is it midnight GMT "tonight" or "tomorrow night"?
[19:44] <jmadgin> dont kno
[19:45] <sebner> ebroder: when it's ready ;)
[19:45] <ebroder> sebner: "Will that be before or after Perl 6 and Mailman 3?" :-P
[19:45] <sebner> ebroder: tomorrow :P
[23:20] <DGMurdockIII> whats that tool that in ubuntu that run a system test then send the info back to the ubuntu dev
[23:21] <beuno> DGMurdockIII, I think it's called checkbox
[23:22] <DGMurdockIII> is that the tool the is built in to the the ubuntu os with te gui and everthing
[23:23] <DGMurdockIII> it used to be somthing else
[23:26] <ScottK> ubuntu-bug
[23:26] <ScottK> ubuntu-bug <packagename>
[23:27] <cjwatson> ebroder: we've never promised midnight, although people routinely get confused and think we have
[23:27] <cjwatson> it's, furthermore, never been anywhere especially close to midnight
[23:29] <slangasek> cjwatson: there's a LP bug that misleads people into thinking we do
[23:29] <slangasek> due dates are entered as dates and exit as timestamps
[23:32] <davmor2> cjwatson: in fact hardy was half way through the party wasn't it :D
[23:33]  * joaopinto brings some beer
[23:34] <cjwatson> slangasek: yeah
[23:35] <cjwatson> slangasek: I just have trouble believing that all the people who think it's midnight have picked it up from LP
[23:35] <slangasek> I don't :)
[23:36] <ajmitch> word of mouth spreads these vicious rumours a long way :)
[23:36] <slangasek> cjwatson: particularly when https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic says "Expected in 24 minutes" :)
[23:36] <cjwatson> that doesn't help, true
[23:43] <mathiaz> kees: so I've doing some more testing with the RAID1 install
[23:43] <mathiaz> kees: Is there a reason why the array would reassemble itself automatically?
[23:44] <mathiaz> kees: use case: boot the system with one drive only.
[23:44] <mathiaz> kees: boot the system with the other drive only.
[23:44] <mathiaz> kees: boot the system with both drives again - RAID array are automatically rebuilt
[23:45] <mathiaz> kees: http://paste.ubuntu.com/303896/
[23:45] <mathiaz> kees: this^^ is after the last reboot
[23:47] <slangasek> mathiaz: shouldn't happen if both bits of the array have been written to separately, but were they?
[23:48] <mathiaz> slangasek: hm - I added a file to one of the degraded array
[23:48] <mathiaz> slangasek: but haven't touched the other degraded array
[23:49] <mathiaz> slangasek: I'm retesting and make sure that both degraded array will diverge
[23:49] <slangasek> mathiaz: so if nothing touched the other one (which would be unlikely with current filesystems, but) - the kernel has enough info to tell which one is out-of-date
[23:49] <kees> mathiaz: depends on the ordering.
[23:49] <kees> mathiaz: in some situations the raid will rebuild
[23:50] <mathiaz> kees: what surprises me is that it's done *automatically*
[23:50] <kees> mathiaz: if one or the other device had newer time stamps or something, I think it'll abort the re-build
[23:50] <kees> mathiaz: that's why the default is to _not_ boot a degraded array.  ;)
[23:53] <mathiaz> kees: ok - so now I've booted the guest twice - each time with a degraded array
[23:54] <mathiaz> kees: and created a different file with different content each time
[23:54] <mathiaz> kees: and the guest is reconfigured to have *both* drives enabled
[23:54] <mathiaz> kees: if I boot the system what should happen?
[23:55] <kees> mathiaz: you booted each drive separately with the other out of the system?
[23:55] <mathiaz> kees: yes
[23:55] <mathiaz> kees: ie drive commented out in the libvirt file and redefined each time
[23:56] <kees> ok, in theory, if you boot now with both drives in, you will boot from whichever drive udev mounts first, and the raid will refuse to add the second drive.
[23:56] <slangasek> it should allow you to boot in degraded mode if configured to do so, but not reassemble the array, right
[23:56] <kees> slangasek: right
[23:56]  * mathiaz boots the guest to confront theory with practice
[23:57] <kees> slangasek: actually, it'll boot even if you don't want degraded boot since it's a misnomer with MD RAIDs.  we should call this option "unexpected raid state".
[23:57] <kees> if you booted degraded once, md is back in an expected (though degraded) state, and will boot fine next time, since nothing "changed".
[23:57] <slangasek> ah
[23:58] <kees> we had this debate in intrepid.  oh the pain
[23:58] <slangasek> I was blissfully out of earshot :-)
[23:58] <mathiaz> kees: http://paste.ubuntu.com/303903/ - :(
[23:58] <kees> mathiaz: ok, cool, so it did an auto sync
[23:59] <kees> mathiaz: that's okay too, but is the reason degraded-boot is not the default.  the system cannot answer the question "which drive is best?" in all cases.
[23:59] <mathiaz> kees: yeah - with the earliest degraded filesystem
[23:59]  * kees nods
[23:59] <slangasek> kees: in the case he's described, both drives are dirty, it /shouldn't/ answer the question "which drive is best?" there...