[00:19] <fuhrer_> help me
[00:22] <monkeyjuice> dont know what you need fuhrer_
[01:12] <justin___> When installing a *.deb package, I navagate to the folder where it's located and do a sudo apt-get?
[01:23] <Dreadtower> Just run  it. It knows how to  unpack things
[01:23] <Dreadtower> So, the following will install package tomatoes
[01:23] <Dreadtower> [It doesn;t exist]
[01:24] <Dreadtower> sudo apt-get install tomatoes
[01:24] <Dreadtower> From anywhere
[01:28] <Dreadtower> Also try 'man apt-get' for the manual page
[01:55] <justin___> thanks
[05:09] <Schrodinger`Cat> hey
[05:09] <Schrodinger`Cat> with firefox <IP_ADDRESS> and kde, i cant open menus on firefox
[05:10] <Schrodinger`Cat> i have no problem with others gtk applications
[05:53] <foormea> hi. i see the zoom in/out keyboard shortcuts seem not to work anymore on yakuake 2.9.8. am i stupid and not finding the option to re-enable the ctrl-alt-+/- in the options or has it just disappeared?
[06:39] <brohan> Hi there
[07:14] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:14] <Solak> Hello.
[07:16] <lordievader> Hey Solak, how are you?
[07:19]  * Solak is enjoying the new computer with kubuntu :-)
[07:20] <Solak> it's different from an upgraded 12.04 though... I can't find how to 'restore' some old settings :/
[07:25] <Solak> i.e. in the previous config I had a folder with often used applications which was visible on the Desktop, but when I copy it and select 'folderview' nothing happens.
[07:32] <tmoenicke> mzanetti: ping
[08:36] <planet> what version am i usgin?
[08:36] <planet> i need to know that
[08:36] <susundbe1g> of what?
[08:37] <susundbe1g> version of what program i mean
[08:37] <planet> of kubuntu
[08:37] <susundbe1g> i usually just do 'cat /etc/issue' but i guess there is more sophisticated way also
[08:38] <planet> what is the uh
[08:39] <planet> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS \n \l
[08:39] <planet> the code name
[08:39] <susundbe1g> i think you can find out that with google
[08:39] <tsimpson> that's precise
[08:41] <planet> why the hell are all the windwos tiling automatically
[09:00] <avihay> Schrodinger`Cat: close firefox, open firefox, fixed
[11:53] <inetkiller> ?
[11:53] <inetkiller> somebody here/
[11:54] <Smurphy> .oO(only zombies ...)
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:54] <chumma> start up disk creator not detecting cd. i am on ubuntu 11.10 i want to create a 12.04 live cd
[12:54] <chumma> it detects iso
[13:08] <skreech_> hi BluesKaj
[13:11] <BluesKaj> hey skreech_
[13:54] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[14:10] <em> In Konsole there is a setting for 'smooth fonts'. It is a checkbox. I am wondering, what is the use case where you would not want smooth fonts?
[14:13] <BluesKaj> em the best setting for readable fonts IME is the dpi setting in system settings>application appearance>fonts, force fonts dpi and enable antialiasing
[14:21] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[14:31] <Brustofski-Fan> ? installed ubuntu 12.10 unity... how do i do a purekde
[14:39] <BluesKaj> !purekde
[14:40] <Pici> they're gone.
[14:41] <BluesKaj> yup , but I was curious if the factoid was there
[15:24] <analex> Good Morning everyone....
[15:25] <analex> anyone here knows how to get Visuall C++ to work on Linux? and also Microsoft SQL Server?
[15:25] <lordievader> analex: Run Windows in a VM?
[15:26] <analex> VM? Like WINE?/
[15:26] <lordievader> analex: No a VM like Virtualbox.
[15:26] <lordievader> analex: Or it might work in Wine.
[15:30] <analex> gonna try that.. hope it works....
[15:30] <lordievader> analex: Did Wine work? Might be an easier solution.
[15:31] <analex> gonna try the wine now..... didn't try running windows in it.... was only trying to run software in it.
[15:31] <skreech_> lordievader: #winehq would probably know buti'd bet SQL Server is undocumented enough to not work
[15:32] <skreech_> actually #Mono might be a good place to start
[15:32] <lordievader> analex: I didn't mean running Windows in Wine... Just the programs..
[15:33] <analex> well, the visual C++ not working in it so far... installed like more than one versions.
[15:34] <lordievader> analex: Hmm, thought so. I guess you got to choose between running a VM or a dual-boot.
[15:34] <lordievader> analex: Unless there is a linux alternative for it all.
[15:35] <skreech_> monodevelop
[15:35] <skreech_> or Kdevelop of course
[15:35] <analex> wanted to avoid a dualboot
[15:35] <skreech_> analex: VM ?
[15:36] <analex> Virtual Machine
[15:37] <analex> MonoDevelop is for C# need to do C++. Have class work to do....
[15:38] <skreech_> analex: For Microsoft SQl
[15:38] <skreech_> ?
[15:39] <skreech_> Or just an SQL database?
[15:39] <skreech_> Cause Kdevelop and anynumber of SQL databases is pretty easy to come by
[15:39] <analex> Have SQL Database to do and also C++
[15:40] <skreech_> I think install kdevelop and dropping by in #kde-devel might be instructive
[16:18] <rapidsp> why ktorrent does not start torrent after his start?
[16:18] <rapidsp> im starting torrents manually
[16:18] <spook_> hello
[16:18] <rapidsp> hi
[16:19] <spook_> i'm new to kubuntu and now i'm facing some problems
[16:19] <rapidsp> i updated to 4.9.1 and clean kde home
[16:19] <spook_> problem is i can't upgrade
[16:20] <rapidsp> spook_: whats kind of upgrade?
[16:20] <spook_> apt-get update work fines
[16:20] <spook_> apt-get upgrade doesn't work
[16:20] <rapidsp> what it sayd?
[16:23] <BluesKaj> spook_, you've obviously upgraded to the latest , but you may need to enable canonical and independent repositories in your package manager , for other software
[16:26] <spook_> so, how can i enable those repositories
[16:26] <spook_> please see my errors, http://paste.pro/5159226
[16:27] <rapidsp> may be local server is not up to date
[16:27] <rapidsp> try use main server
[16:33] <BluesKaj> spook_, run , sudo dpkg --configure -a;sudo apt-get -f install
[16:36] <spook_> ok
[16:36] <spook_> i got these, http://paste.pro/5159228
[16:38] <brohan> anyone here?
[16:39] <brohan> I have some questions about video and upgrade issues
[16:41] <spook_> this one, http://paste.pro/5159230
[16:41] <BluesKaj> spook_, you need to install the kde backports repository
[16:41] <BluesKaj> !backports
[16:42] <spook_> ok, thanks, i'm trying
[16:42] <BluesKaj> then you have to run sudo dist-upgrade
[16:42] <BluesKaj> err sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:45] <BluesKaj> brohan , what is your question ?
[16:45] <bazhang> he's gone
[16:45] <BluesKaj> he's still on the server
[16:46] <bazhang> not on this channel though
[16:46] <BluesKaj> maybe the highlighter will work , if it's setup
[16:49] <brohan> hello
[16:49] <BluesKaj> ok brohan , what's the issue with your graohics?
[16:50] <brohan> First, I downloaded Kubuntu 12.10 beta 1 created an iso thumbdrive and booted from it
[16:50] <brohan> all went well
[16:50] <brohan> I installed from thumbdrive
[16:50] <brohan> all went well
[16:50] <brohan> I transfered my files from backup, all was well
[16:50] <brohan> I did the recommended upgrade
[16:51] <brohan> When I logged in, the login screen was fine however then no systray, no launcher, right click didn't work, nothing worked
[16:51] <BluesKaj> to the graphics card in additional drivers ?
[16:51] <brohan> A little more expl;anation
[16:51] <brohan> I had win 7 on the first partition
[16:52] <brohan> Just now I used gparted to erase that partition, so now the only O/S on my system is Kubuntu. I am reinstalling from the thumbdrive as we speak
[16:52] <BluesKaj> did you upgrade the graphics drivers in addtional drivers?
[16:52] <brohan> I must have
[16:52] <brohan> So with this new fresh install I will NOT upgrade anything until I know what not to upgrade
[16:53] <BluesKaj> which graphics card?
[16:53] <brohan> I should know but I don't
[16:54] <brohan> I want to say amd x1400
[16:54] <BluesKaj> lspci |grep VGA
[16:54] <brohan> I will do that once I get the install done which should be in a few minutes
[16:54] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:54] <brohan> I am doing this on my laptop, talking to you on an old desktop
[16:55] <brohan> Thank you for your help!
[16:55] <BluesKaj> brohan, are you installing 12.10 ?
[16:56] <brohan> yes
[16:56] <brohan> beta 1 as that was available wheni downloaded the iso
[16:56] <slevsk> всем привет :)
[16:57] <bazhang> !ru | slevsk
[16:57] <slevsk> ok
[16:57] <slevsk> thx
[16:58] <brohan> Right now it is 90% done and downloading packages
[16:58] <BluesKaj> then brohan by rights we should discuss this in #ubuntu+1
[16:58] <brohan> I can go there
[16:58] <BluesKaj> yes , I see you there :)
[17:06] <spook_> i've tried to install the backports,
[17:06] <spook_> i failed
[17:06] <spook_> :(
[17:07] <spook_> i've changed the software center server to MAin server
[17:08] <spook_> and now, this one came out, http://paste.pro/5159233
[17:08] <spook_> my bad
[17:19] <rapidsp> spanner: you're running another apt app
[17:19] <rapidsp> may be synaptic or its GUI settings
[17:20] <rapidsp> sorry... spook_ gone
[17:30] <GirlyGirl> I want to completely remove ubuntu-desktop packages on Kubuntu 12.10, any ideas?
[17:33] <BluesKaj> !purekde | GirlyGirl
[17:34] <BluesKaj> or did you already look there and reject the suggestions , GirlyGirl?
[17:34] <GirlyGirl> BluesKaj: Already rejected as that is for 12.04
[17:36] <BluesKaj> well, that's understandable since 12.10 is still in Beta
[17:36] <BluesKaj> reinstall kubuntu to / if you have one
[18:01] <Scunizi> For some reason Gimp will no longer load.  Trying from CLI I get the following warning.. How do I fix this? (gimp:23331): GLib-WARNING **: /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.30.0/./glib/goption.c:2168: ignoring no-arg, optional-arg or filename flags (8) on option of type 0
[18:56] <jacobw> i'm using 12.04, i've just installed the amarok mp3 plugins and using the qtapt helper thing, amarok is crashing while transistioning between songs
[18:57] <jacobw> is this a known issue?
[18:57]  * jacobw remembers rock stable 1.4 ..
[19:19] <Peace-> jacobw: mmm bad stuff
[19:40] <dmatt> if i want to install fglrx, what should I use in 12.10? jockey doesn't suggest anything and i Heard it is being deprecated
[19:41] <lordievader> dmatt: I'd say use the installer from amd.com
[19:42] <dmatt> lordievader: i can try that but this does not sound like official supported way
[19:44] <lordievader> dmatt: It probably isn't, no. However I'm not sure about the support of a beta version of Kubuntu either. Try the #ubuntu+1 channel, that is for beta versions, not this one.
[19:44] <dmatt> I already suffered a lot when i upgraded with fglrx enabled and it was not released for Quantal
[19:45] <dmatt> lordievader: I actually asked there before but no response
[19:46] <BluesKaj> dmatt, best to ask in #ubuntu+1
[19:46] <lordievader> dmatt: That could be but in here 12.10 is not (yet) supported. So I think the only thing you can do is wait.
[19:46] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Already said so ;)
[19:46] <BluesKaj> !12.10
[19:47] <dmatt> BluesKaj: i first tried there and only after no aswer was given I went to this channel
[19:48] <BluesKaj> but there are some issues with ati graphics on 12.10 , hence the reluctance to answer since there doesn't seem to be many answers
[19:49] <BluesKaj> dmatt,^
[19:49] <BluesKaj> sorry lordievader , didn't notice your post
[19:49] <dmatt> BluesKaj: it is test install and I want to test beta release and report bugs if found
[19:50] <BluesKaj> which card is it, dmatt?
[19:50] <dmatt> BluesKaj: ATI RV620 [Mobility Radeon HD 3400 Series]
[19:50] <lordievader> BluesKaj, dmatt: Shouldn't this continue in #ubuntu+1 you are both in there, I believe.
[19:51] <dmatt> lordievader: OK
[19:52] <BluesKaj> lordievader, problem is with 12.04 and 12.10 , and the issue is basically the same with ati nowadays
[19:53] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Hmm, allright.
[20:08] <analex> finally getting oracle  virtualbox to work...
[20:11] <lordievader> analex: What kind of troubles did you have with it?
[20:27] <thechef> I have many problems with the Package Managent tools in KDE. Once I had Muon remove kubuntu-desktop and muon, QApt is marking dependencies as manually installed. How can I recover from such faults? How can I mark all packages as automatically installed, except those who are manually installed after a default install
[20:27] <ovidiu-florin> hello, where are the icons stored for the /usr/shared/applications/*.desktop files?
[20:28] <GH0> Could someone assist me in setting up logwatch? I had it working at one point, eventually it just stopped, so I removed the packages (logwatch and postfix) and purged the conf files and set it up again following the instructions from the Ubuntu site and editing the logwatch conf file to send it to my e-mail. But i am getting this: http://pastebin.com/dtUwKf3F
[20:28] <thechef> I can then probe apt-get autoremove and will see which functionality I still need and then mark them manually again
[20:31] <thechef> ovidiu-florin: some are here: /usr/share/pixmaps/
[20:31] <mocha> why
[20:34] <ovidiu-florin> thechef: and if the application is installed in home?
[20:34] <thechef> ovidiu-florin: then the .desktop file won't be in /usr/share/applications
[20:34] <thechef> ovidiu-florin: maybe it helps to open the desktop-file with kate
[20:35] <ovidiu-florin> I know that, I want to find the icon mentioned in /home/username/app/app.desktop
[20:36] <ovidiu-florin> sorry, I meant /home/username/.local/share/applications/app.desktop
[20:37] <thechef> ovidiu-florin: what does kate say?
[20:38] <ovidiu-florin> I-ve solved it, they were in ~/.local/share/icons/hicolor/........
[20:39] <ovidiu-florin> in my app.desktop file the filename of the icon was wrong, and I needed the actual filename
[20:47] <neotom> hello
[20:48] <neotom> i am wondering about how to add other widget platforms to plasma such as google gadgets
[20:56] <artao> L3top: you around?
[20:56] <artao> apparently not
[20:57] <artao> any xrandr gurus about? esp. in connection with NVidia graphics cards?
[20:57] <artao> plz
[21:06] <artao> GAHHH
[21:06] <artao> WTF!!!
[21:07] <artao> Linux (Kubuntu 12.04) is seeing both monitors as ONE big wide screen. not as two monitors. ... i KNOW i set it up as two seperate x-screens .. under the NVidia setting panel
[21:07] <artao> and then i restarted X
[21:07] <artao> i CAN NOT have one big wide screen .. my two monitors don't support the same refresh rates
[21:08] <artao> i MUST have two seperate displays
[21:08] <artao> ABSOLUTELY must
[21:08] <artao> this channel is amazingly dead for having so many people logged into it
[21:08] <artao> :\
[21:09] <dmatt> artao: dou you use nvidia driver or noveau?
[21:09] <artao> nvidia
[21:09] <artao> hold on. gotta reboot again
[21:10] <artao> just made an x-server change
[21:10] <artao> brb
[21:10] <dmatt> so you need to set it in nvidia, not in xrandr
[21:15] <artao> GAAHHHHHH ARRRRRHHHHHGGGGGGGG
[21:15]  * artao screams and punches babies
[21:15] <artao> GAHHH
[21:16] <artao> the fricken NVidia control panel keep fricken reverting to "TwinView" instead of "seperate x-screen for each monitor"
[21:16] <artao> GAHHHHHH
[21:16] <artao> WTF
[21:16] <FloodBotK1> artao: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:16] <artao> STFU FloodBotK1
[21:16] <artao> boy this is pissing me RIGHT off
[21:16] <GH0> artao, calm down, you aren't going to get any help yelling.
[21:16] <GH0> Or yeah... that
[21:17] <artao> um... did i just get kicked for some reason? what did i do?
[21:18] <IdleOne> artao: please calm down, don't swear and read the link ubottu sent you so you know what is expected and acceptable behaviour in this channel.
[21:18] <artao> why does linux have such a hard time with multiple monitors??
[21:18] <artao> when did I swear?
[21:18] <brohan> I need some serious install with backup restore help, anyone game?
[21:18] <artao> the 'P' word? seriously? that's considered "swearing" here? >.> fine whatever
[21:19] <GH0> "stfu FloodBotK1"
[21:19] <artao> and "calm down" ... ... right ... for something SO simple and irritating .. I've re-set the NVidiia control panel like 4 times now .. every time it comes back as a single screen x-session
[21:19] <GH0> Did you read what dmatt sent to you?
[21:20] <artao> i must've been mid-reboot .. i see no links from dmatt
[21:20] <artao> my previous video card, an ATI, worked FINE with multi-screen ... why is NVidia having such a hard time retaining my settings?
[21:20] <brohan> I tried 12.10 live CD, worked great, I then installed it over my 12.04. All was well, restored my backup, and rebooted, I could log in, but that was it, no tray, no mouse right click menu etc.
 so you need to set it in nvidia, not in xrandr
[21:21] <artao> yeah
[21:21] <artao> i have been
[21:21] <brohan> I did a format, an install of 12.10, and upgradated it, everything is fine. I want to restors my home dir that I backed up from 12.04. How do I do it so it doesn't mess up my desktop/graphics?
[21:22] <artao> however, xrandr doesn't seem to think my primary monitor is capable of 75hz .. whereas the NVidia display panel says it is .. yet when I set the NVidia panel to 75hz then chck xrandr on CLI.. it reports a refresh of 51hz
[21:22] <artao> no good at all ... i have NO IDEA what refresh I'm acutally running at ... altho the way the monitor sometimes makes my eyes glaze over leads me to believe it's ACTUALLY running at the xrandr stated 51hz and NOT 75hz like I set it in the NVidia control panel
[21:23] <dmatt> artao: check in monitor OSD menu, sometimes there is also freqvency stated
[21:23] <artao> the what? OSD menu? what's that and where?
[21:24] <dmatt> on monitor there are few buttons, one of them should be menu
[21:24] <artao> umm
[21:25] <dmatt> so go through options and look for info or something similar
[21:26] <artao> well, looks like the monitor is reporting 75hz
[21:26] <artao> sothat's good i guess
[21:26] <dmatt> so thats the right number
[21:26] <artao> so that's working ... next up is getting the system to see each monitor as a seperate x-display
[21:27] <dmatt> I believe this has to be done by nvidia configurtation tool
[21:27] <artao> i need to be able to apply different gamma and color correction to each monitor individually ... not possible with one x-screen
[21:27] <artao> i've set it to seperate x-screens like 4 times now ...every time i restart, it comes back up as one x-screen
[21:27] <dmatt> even though I am not sure, I had only AMD always
[21:27] <artao> i have in the past .. i went NVidia for teh CUDA for GPGPU stuff
[21:28] <dmatt> hm, my colleague too - and he never used it really
[21:29] <artao> i do. it's made a previously hour-long render take less than 10 minutes =D
[21:31] <dmatt> ok, so did you use sudo nvidia-settings?
[21:32] <artao> um. wow. didn't even occur to me.
[21:33] <artao> restarting again after doing that
[21:36] <rahiym> has anyone else tried installing Nvidia drivers and wound up with resolution smaller than 800 x 600?
[21:46] <brohan> I installed 12.10, and did an update, now I can't find the Muon software manager
[21:49] <brohan> what is the command line to install muon suite?
[21:50] <dmatt> brohan: ALT-F2 muon does not work?
[21:50] <brohan> NO
[21:50] <brohan> I just did a fresh install on 12.10
[21:50] <brohan> updated it
[21:50] <brohan> and now I go into the KDE menu, or alt-f2 and type muon
[21:50] <brohan> nada
[21:51] <brohan> Not the package manager, the software center of the update manager
[21:51] <dmatt> brohan: sudo apt-get update & sudo apt-get install muon
[21:52] <dmatt> ehm, not &, use &&
[21:52] <artao> hm
[21:52] <brohan> thank you dmatt
[21:52] <brohan> odd don't you think?
[21:52] <brohan> I used it to udate\
[21:52] <artao> okay. seems i needed to save the settings to my xorg.conf ... now it's seeing two seperate x-screens ... but I can't seem to put anything on the 2nd monitor ... i try to drag windows onto it, and they just stop at the edge of monitor 1
[21:52] <brohan> update
[21:53] <dmatt> artao: thats how to separate X screen should work
[21:53] <artao> this is really really really really irritating ... VERY glad to read that Ubuntu is finally going to address the ridiculosity of multi-monitors under linux ... too late for me tho. i need it to work nao!
[21:53] <artao> dmatt, I heartily disagree
[21:54] <artao> the behaviour i expect and desire is two seperate screens which i can use interchangably
[21:54] <dmatt> well, maybe this helps you http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1972628
[21:55] <artao> thx
[21:55] <artao> maybe it will. reading now. <sigh>
[21:56]  * artao shakes his head
[21:57] <brohan> dmatt, running that line only installed muon package manager, not the software manager or update
[21:59] <brohan> dmatt although in the package manager is shows that the update manager, looks like there is another one muon discover
[22:02] <TSK> To run apps on a second X screen you have to TELL the app to run on the second X instance.  'export DISPLAY=":0.1" && xbmc' for example is how I load up my XBMC on my second Xorg instance (on the bigscreen TV to my right).
[22:03] <TSK> If you want to be able to just drag apps between the two screens then you don't want a SEPERATE X screen.  You want twinview or xinerama.
[22:04] <artao> okay. what the heck is compiz and why would i want it and do i need it?
[22:04] <TSK> twinview or xinerama are both modes that are much more similar to the dual monitor handling you'd find on other operating systems.
[22:04] <artao> TSK, okay .. but with Twinview i can't adjust the color correction settings for each monitor individually ... at least not that i can find
[22:04] <TSK> compiz is the fancy 3D desktop effects that allow compositing and transitions and other neat stuff like that.
[22:05] <TSK> Compiz isn't strictly necessary, but it's nice for those who enjoy a little extra eye-candy to their desktop experience.
[22:05] <artao> i .. uh ... okay .. um ... i'm pretty sure i have fancy desktop effects running .. but on CLI if i do "compiz" it tells me compiz isn't installed XD
[22:06] <TSK> It's become default on most desktops because that seems to be what most folk expect from a "modern" desktop.
[22:06] <dmatt> brohan: sudo apt-get install muon-updater muon-installer update-manager-kde libmuonprivate1 muon-notifier libdebconf-kde0
[22:06] <TSK> artao: Well, compiz isn't the ONLY way to get fancy effects.  There's also KDE's kwin, and clutter, and a couple few others if I remember rightly.  :)
[22:06] <artao> so i switch back to Twinview ... how do I adjust the color settings of each monitor individually then
[22:09] <TSK> artao: According to what I read at http://askubuntu.com/questions/79117/whats-the-best-alternative-to-twinview-so-i-can-calibrate-both-my-monitors-inde apparently you want Xinerama rather than Twinview if you must calibrate seperate monitors differently from one another.
[22:09] <artao> orly?
[22:09] <artao> um .. kay
[22:09] <artao> BOY this is overly confusing XD
[22:10] <dmatt> artao: maybe you could set calibration directly on monitor (through the menu)
[22:11] <TSK> artao: No more "overly confusing" than any OTHER operating system would be were you not already familir with it.  ;)
[22:11] <artao> nope. not possible. monitor 2 is old and even at max brightness it's still too dark .. i need to up the gamma for it .. AND do a semi-proper color calibration
[22:11] <artao> TSK well .. win 7 just did it right without me doing anything for example :\
[22:12] <TSK> I used to find Windows "overly confusing" when I was first getting used to it.  These days, they're all pretty much the same to me.  Just tools for getting stuff done.  :)
[22:12] <artao> and i suppose Twinview is really the behaviour most people want and expect .. my need for seperate calibration configs is beyond the norm. i admit and accept that.
[22:12] <dmatt> brohan: or alternatively, just install kubuntu-desktop and ypou should get back everything missing from standard install
[22:13] <TSK> artao: Win 7 does admittedly simplify some tasks (such as dual monitor setup) to the point of being automatic or nearly so.  On the other hand there are SOME things that Win7 overly complicates, too.  All operating systems have their strengths and weaknesses.  :)
[22:14] <artao> true. but it's pretty common knowledge that linux + dual monitors ... needs work, shall we say
[22:14] <TSK> One example of a strength of Ubuntu, and Linux in general that I enjoy is TRUE plug-n-play.  I plug in hardware and 99% of the time it "just works".  No driver installation or anything.  :)
[22:14] <TSK> I do the same on Mac at work, too.
[22:14] <artao> LOL again, i have issues with that .. i can't hot-plug my Wacom tablet for instance
[22:14] <artao> not that i really need to
[22:15] <TSK> On Win7, that'd require a CD or DVD with drivers 90% of the time.  :)
[22:15] <TSK> And often a reboot, too.  :)
[22:15] <artao> nah. win 7 just looks it up online
[22:15] <artao> =]
[22:15] <artao> windows .. "you've pressed a key, I need to reboot" LOLOLZ
[22:15] <TSK> ROFL
[22:15] <dmatt> artao: i just setup my dual monitors in amdcccle once and it works
[22:15] <artao> amdcccle??? XD
[22:17] <dmatt> artao: that amd setup thing, name might be different, i am on test boot now
[22:18] <TSK> In my case, SEPERATE x screens are actually what I WANT for MY needs.  I only run certain apps on the other monitor and never have a need to move them back and forth, so I just set their icon or menu entry so it launches on the second screen ALWAYS.  :)
[22:19] <TSK> Xinerama or Twinview are the behavior MOST folk would be expecting tho.
[22:19] <artao> fair nuf. won't work for my needs. i need to drag windows back and forth regularly ... also drag-n-drop files between monitors
[22:19] <artao> reading that thread re: xinerama
[22:19] <TSK> Yar.  Xinerama for you.  Twinview for most folk.  :)
[22:19] <artao> i thought xinerama was a media player XD
[22:20] <TSK> Xine
[22:20] <TSK> Yer thinkin' of...  :)
[22:21] <TSK> And it's actually a pretty decent media player, too.  :)
[22:21] <artao> AH! of course
[22:21] <TSK> Simple, but plays a TON of formats, like VLC does.  :)
[22:22] <artao> okay. restarting X with xinerama
[22:22] <artao> brb
[22:23] <TSK> Hopefully that xinerama'll get 'em goin' with what they need...
[22:24] <TSK> WB, artao
[22:25] <TSK> Luck?  :)
[22:26] <artao> nope
[22:26] <artao> still can't adjust gamma/color seperately
[22:26] <artao> actually .. i make adjustments now and it only affects my primary monitor ... there ARE no options for the secondary XD
[22:27] <TSK> Strange
[22:27] <TSK> Lemme go look at my nvidia-settings and xrandr
[22:28] <artao> and it breaks compositing
[22:28] <TSK> Well, bugger, that's no fun.
[22:29] <artao> restarting again. back to regular Twinview
[22:29] <TSK> Alrighty
[22:31] <artao> crap. i'm still not getting the "desktop flip" effect now ... it WAS working before i tried xinerama XD

[22:32] <SIR_Taco_> http://www.progdan.cz/2012/09/display-management-in-kde/
[22:34] <artao> and now monitor 2 looks washed out
[22:34] <artao> yeah, i've read that they're "working on it" SIR_Taco_ =]
[22:34] <artao> i anxiously await it being fully fixed
[22:37] <dmatt> anybody using two panels? I want to put application launchers on second panel, but it is always added only to first one
[22:37] <artao> i use two panels
[22:37] <artao> left side is all launchers, bottom is taskbar and open windows
[22:38] <dmatt> (actually I solved it just as I finished the question :) - but how do you do it?
[22:38] <artao> i add launchers to my launcher panel just by "editing" it to do so. they always go to the panel i'm editing
[22:39] <dmatt> I have the same setup with launchers on left with autohide
[22:39] <artao> wait. no. ... how did i do that agaiN XD
[22:39] <artao> hmm
[22:39] <dmatt> what do tou mean by "editing"?
[22:40] <artao> unlock widgets, then the "Panel Tool Box" button
[22:41] <dmatt> I know two ways how to achieve it, the better one just occured to me when I put the question here
[22:41] <TSK> Yep.  I do the same.  The panel toolbox at the end of the panel.
[22:42] <dmatt> but i am still curious how you did it, may be it's even better
[22:42] <artao> how do YOU do it? ... i've tried simple drag-n-drop and that didn't work
[22:42] <dmatt> TSK: but how do you add application launcher?
[22:42] <TSK> I use one panel for launchers and such, and the other panel for informational type widgets.
[22:43] <artao> dmatt: add widget>application launcher
[22:43] <artao> requires hand-editing the launcher tho :\
[22:43] <artao> restarting again ... trying to get compositing back <sigh>
[22:43] <TSK> dmatt: Same as artao does it.  When you "unlock widgets" (from the right click menu) each toolbar gets a butten at the end of it.  You click that button to activate that bar's edit mode.
[22:45] <TSK> artao: I'm just reading some further pages about dual monitor separate color calibration. Since I've never really needed to do it, it's new to me.  :)
[22:45] <dmatt> ah I see, never found that particul;ar widget, namers are localised and I must have missed it
[22:45] <artao> grrr
[22:45] <dmatt> but I think I found better way
[22:46] <artao> okay. back down to single monitor, trying to get compositing back ... the desktop effects system config panel is tellimg me "Required X extensions (XComposite and XDamage) are not available"
[22:46] <artao> how do i get them back? XD
[22:46] <artao> D'OH
[22:46] <artao> TSK, calibration is kinda a PITA .. but very important for graphics work
[22:47] <artao> and i'm only doing it software .. i can't afford a hardware calibrator
[22:47] <TSK> artao: Maybe move your xorg.conf out of the way and try to create a fresh one with nvidia-settings ?
[22:47] <artao> hmm
[22:48] <dmatt> in KMenu(or is it Krunner) - simply that "K" icon when you right-click application, you can send it to panel... but you need to add K button to panel where you want to add launchers
[22:48] <dmatt> then remove "K" and done
[22:48] <TSK> artao: I have littlecms or tinycms or something like that installed, but I've never yet messed with it because the only graphics work I do is in GIMP, Inkscape, and Blender, but never yet had complaints about nor issues with my colors yet.
[22:49] <TSK> dmatt: krunner is the thing that pops up when you alt-f2 I believe.  So kmenu must be it.  :)
[22:49] <artao> my two monitors display colors quite differently ... one is a CRT and the other an LCD
[22:49] <artao> the CRT is too blue and washed out
[22:49] <artao> it's old ... but i can't afford a new monitor
[22:50] <brohan> then make a clrctd out of them combined
[22:51] <brohan> sorry, bad attempt a humor
[22:51] <TSK> artao: Ah.  Mine is a flat-panel HDTV
[22:51] <artao> AHA!! :: Section "Extensions" >> Option >> "Composite" "Disable"
[22:52] <TSK> dmatt: I don't actually need to add a kmenu to any panel except the one where I want to leave it at permanently.  :)
[22:52] <artao> in xorg.conf
[22:52] <TSK> artao: AhHA
[22:52] <TSK> That'd do it
[22:52] <artao> do i just comment that out (i.e. with # .. right?) or change it to "Enable" or what?
[22:52] <TSK> I'd just change it to "Enable"
[22:52] <TSK> Or perhaps "True"
[22:53] <artao> i don't know either
[22:53] <TSK> I'd try "Enable" first tho.
[22:53] <artao> also, hand-editing xorg.conf is rather frowned upon, no?
[22:53] <dmatt> TSK: I believe its faster to right click on applications and the remove kmenu from that panel than manually edit all launchers
[22:53] <TSK> artao: Depends on how comfortable you are with hand editing config files.  ;)
[22:54] <TSK> It's frowned upon to suggest it to folk who are utterly new to the concept tho, I'm fairly sure, as it scares a lotta folk silly.  ;)
[22:54] <TSK> dmatt: I don't manually edit all launchers.  Only the launcher I wanna add a widget to.
[22:55] <TSK> Only the PANEL I wanna add a widget to, that is.
[22:55] <artao> aaaaaaaaaaaaaand restartagain
[22:56] <TSK> artao: Hehehe...  The restarts are just to make sure Windows users feel at home here.  ;)
[22:57] <artao> yay. compositing back. changed it to "Enable" just so you know TSK =]
[22:57] <artao> is there no way to restart x server from CLI ??
[22:57] <TSK> Honestly tho, the ONLY time I reboot my machine or restart my xorg is for xorg.conf changes, or kernel upgrades.  :)
[22:57] <dmatt> TSK: I am not sure I understand you correctly - I added 10 applications launchers( or shortcuts) to second panel. I believe if I added each as a generic launcher widget, I would have to edit them all to point to different applications
[22:57] <TSK> artao: Aye, there is indeed.
[22:58] <TSK> artao: You restart your display manager (kdm on Kubuntu).  "service kdm restart"
[22:58] <TSK> (or "sudo service kdm restart" actually)
[22:58] <artao> orly?
[22:59] <TSK> Since kdm is a root run service.
[22:59] <TSK> ROFL!  He must have tested the theory.  ;)
[23:00] <artao> sure nuf ... pretty much the same as logging out and back in it seems
[23:00] <TSK> Welcome back, artao.  I guess you tested the sudo service kdm restart command, eh?  :)
[23:00] <artao> had to log in via CLI then do a startx to get kde back up
[23:01] <TSK> artao: startx?  Should be able to just "sudo service kdm start"
[23:01] <TSK> start if it's not running yet, restart if it's running, but you've changed config settings.
[23:02] <artao> ah. oops.
[23:02] <artao> seeing how many settings changes I've made recently, I'm gonna do a full reboot now
[23:02] <artao> =]
[23:02] <TSK> dmatt: So you mean individual launchers for individual apps then?  I usually just drag those directly out of my kmenu on to the desktop, or onto one of my panels.
[23:02] <TSK> artao: Should not be necessary.  :)
[23:03] <TSK> If all the changes were in xorg.conf, restarting xorg should be more'n enough.  :)
[23:03] <artao> perhaps. it's the windows user in me i guess. still gonna do it. :P
[23:03] <TSK> Heheheh
[23:04] <dmatt> TSK: so that's the right approach, just drag from menu
[23:05] <dmatt> TSK: because dragging from menu to menu dose not work correctly
[23:05] <TSK> dmatt: That's what I've always done.  The "right approach" I'd guess is the one that works best for YOU.  ;)
[23:05] <TSK> dmatt: Dragging from menu to menu I've never had a need to try, but dragging from the menu out to the desktop or to a panel or even into the quick launch widget?  Works for me.  :)
[23:06] <dmatt> TSK: i did it easy in past, but I forgot how and couldn't find easy way now
[23:06] <dmatt> TSK: I cannot drag to other panel, once it touches desktop, it just plainly refuses to go to other panel
[23:07] <artao> well. that's working now at least.
[23:07] <artao> leave well enuf alone.
[23:07] <TSK> artao: Don't feel bad about the urge to reboot.  I did a metric TONNE of Windows habits for months while getting comfortable with Linux.  I remember formatting and reinstalling a few dozen times before I really felt comfortable just fixing things the "right way".  ;)
[23:07] <artao> up the gamma so both screens are too brite, then use the monitor adjustments to bring it back down I guess ... ... and just tweak monitor 2's color temp settings (bad ) until it matches monitor 1
[23:08] <TSK> Funny thing is, now I fix WINDOWS machines for friends by booting up my Live Kubuntu or other Linux CD/DVD/USB and working in an environment I feel comfortable in.  :)
[23:09]  * TSK has been on Linux now for a decade and prefers his tweaked to perfection desktop to all other working environments.  :)
[23:11] <TSK> artao: I did find this page http://coderazzi.net/howto/kubuntu/gamma.html which may be of some help in your case perhaps?
[23:14] <artao> well. there we go..... don't think i'm gonna get much better than this without creating a monitor profile .. which i can't do right now
[23:15] <artao> close enuf for hand grenades i spose
[23:16] <artao> altho i'm getting nasty pincushioning on monitor 2 now
[23:16] <artao> hmm
[23:16] <TSK> artao: Every time I've come across an issue like this that requires extended research and experimenting I thank my lucky stars that I only ever have to fix this kinda thing ONCE and then add it to my git repository of custom config files so it STAYS fixed.  ;)
[23:17] <artao> ... until you rebuild, and by then have COMPLETELY forgotten how you did "it" in the first place LOL
[23:21] <TSK> artao: That's why I commit the custom config file to a source control repository on my netbook.  When/if I ever rebuild (which I have not yet had to do in ages now) I will simply dump all my custom configs back into /etc and be done with it.  :)
[23:22] <artao> i guess i'm just happy to finally have my dual-monitors back ... had to bufy a DVI>VGA converter ... kept neglecting to do so, for like 3 months now LOL
[23:22]  * artao smacks himself
[23:22] <TSK> I also make bookmarks and scrapbook (a super-useful Firefox extension) captures of webpages that are TOO useful.  :)
[23:22] <artao> me too
[23:24] <TSK> artao: Maybe useful information here -> https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/dual-head-twin-view-separate-x-window-things-you-can-do-with-multi-displays-606592/ too
[23:24] <TSK> (I'm still researching this for ya.)  ;)
[23:24] <artao> kul thnx
[23:24] <artao> you can stop now tho =]
[23:25] <artao> i'm done with this for the day. bewfore i getz a headache -[
[23:25] <artao> =] rather
[23:25] <TSK> artao: Hehehe...  Just bookmark 'em for later.  Ye'll get bored and wanna dink around with it another day I assure you.  ;)
[23:26] <artao> indeed. apparently i need to peruse NVidia's forums as well
[23:27] <TSK> artao: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/NVidia/Twin_View and http://www.wsanders.net/index.php?entry=entry120415-115150 and http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/MultiMonitorDesktop and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaMultiMonitors may also be entertaining reading on a particularly bored day.  ;)
[23:28] <artao> whoa
[23:28] <artao> =S
[23:28] <TSK> artao: That ought to be enough links to lead you to a solution sooner or later.  ;)
[23:28] <TSK> artao: Now that you've got me wondering about it tho I'ma prolly play with it myself this coming weekend, too.  :)
[23:29] <artao> fair nuf
[23:29] <TSK> Right now I only use the second (bigger) screen for XBMC and gaming, but it'd be nice to use it sometimes for Blender 'n stuff like that, too.
[23:31] <artao> yeah. i like having blender on my primary screen and Krita (or GIMP , but only if absolutely neccessary these days) on the 2nd screen
[23:31] <artao> and/or file browsers and/or text or CLI on the 2nd screen
[23:32] <artao> display 1 is full screen apps, display 2 is all other windows
[23:32] <artao> =]
[23:32] <artao> or, having blender workspace on display 1, and render view on display 2
[23:32] <artao> thus they need to be as close in color as possible
[23:35] <TSK> artao: Oooo, nice idea
[23:35] <TSK> I think I'ma put my render display on the big screen where it'd look utterly sweet.  :)
[23:35] <artao> =]
[23:36] <artao> s'why blender made it so it can have multiple windows at once. split out any display frame to a new window.
[23:36] <artao> it's also nice to have full-screen animation display while editing curves etc
[23:36] <artao> or the full-screen video on one display while you do the video editing and/or compositing on the other screen
[23:36] <artao> so many uses
[23:37] <TSK> I'm so happy that the new Blender interface kept all that was GOOD about earlier versions of Blender and only improved things that NEEDED improved.  :)
[23:37] <artao> full-screen paint on primary monitor, UV editor on secondary
[23:37] <artao> well .. almost all that was good .... we've lost the horizontal button-bar
[23:38] <artao> also lost the in-display preview render for Blender Internal
[23:38] <TSK> Well, I guess I'm mainly happy they didn't break the mostly keyboard driven workflow.  :)
[23:38] <artao> ya
[23:38] <artao> plenty of changes tho from 2.4x
[23:38] <TSK> I can get stuff done SO fast in Blender with one hand of the mouse and one on the keyboard.  :)
[23:38] <artao> BUT .. full keyboard editing now, so it's moot
[23:39] <artao> yep. the way it's designed to be used =]
[23:39] <TSK> Yar.  Amazing to me that so many folk coming to Blender from other programs have such a problem with it.
[23:39] <artao> meh
[23:39] <artao> i understand it
[23:40] <TSK> I came to Blender from Lightwave and Imagine (on Commodore Amiga) and it really seemed pretty simple once I got used to it.
[23:40] <artao> it's geneally n00bs who've only ever used that one 3D application, and expect all others will work the same
[23:40] <artao> people who've used numerous 3D apps generally have an easier transition
[23:40] <TSK> The REAL problem for ME wasn't the interface.  It was getting over the fact that there was only about a BILLION different neat things I could do with Blender.  SOOOOoooo powerful.  :)
[23:41] <artao> i came to blender from Lightwave, MAX 2.5, POVRay, TrueSpace, Maya
[23:41] <TSK> Blender is a bit overwhelming at first until you learn to ignore what you don't need right now until you DO need it.  :)
[23:41] <artao> i used Calligari on Amiga way back in like '91 or so
[23:41] <artao> =]
[23:41] <TSK> POVRay...  Hehehe...  I remember when that was new and folk were raving about how utterly AMAZING it was.  ;)
[23:41] <TSK> Calligari was awesome, too actually
[23:41] <artao> it still is pretty amazing
[23:42] <artao> TrueSpace is the direct descendent of Calligari ... the company is called Calligari =]
[23:42] <TSK> What's REALLY amazing is the fact that the average home user has power available to them now that rivals that of full movie/television studios, and much of it entirely cost-free or dirt-cheap.  :)
[23:43] <TSK> Yay, Linux!  \o/
[23:43] <artao> *POVRay is still amazing that is ... very good caustics .. slow as all getout tho
[23:43] <TSK> Well...  Yay, open source, that is...  ;)
[23:43] <artao> indeed! Hear Hear!
[23:43]  * artao toasts to FOSS
[23:44] <TSK> Caustics (and any SERIOUS raytracing calculations) WILL tend to be slow really.
[23:44] <TSK> CUDA has helped a lot with some of that tho.
[23:44] <artao> i JUST learned this today >> What's a billion? Well, apparently that depends if your American or European. -- In America, 10^9 is a billion. In Europe, 10^12 is a billion. So what, then, do they call 10^9?? A milliard.
[23:44] <TSK> artao: Aye.  I was so shocked to discover that.  :)
[23:45] <artao> insanity
[23:45] <TSK> Had no idea, but I guess it shouldn't come as such a surprise.  Americans just GOTTA be different at ALL costs.  :)
[23:45] <artao> well, TBF the american way makes more sense
[23:46] <artao> :P
[23:46] <TSK> Heck, we still use the "imperial" measurements rather than the metric system (which makes FAR more sense).
[23:46] <artao> i mean .. million, milliard, billion, billiard .. etc .. C'MON!!!
[23:46] <artao> i try to use metric
[23:46] <TSK> Inches, feet, miles?
[23:46] <TSK> Hehehe
[23:46] <artao> operative word "try"
[23:47] <TSK> I have long since preferred metric ever since my early grade school science and math teachers taught it to us.  It's just so much more logical.
[23:47] <TSK> It's all tens.  Doesn't get much easier.  :)
[23:48] <artao> and it's based on physical reality. not some king's foot.
[23:49] <artao> arbitrary
[23:50] <artao> and how can the world agreee on ANYTHING if we can't even agree what to call our "big numbers" ... insanity
[23:50] <TSK> Yar.  Or the king's arms or fingers, or whatever.
[23:50] <artao> billion dollars .. big difference between 10^9 and 10^12 there
[23:50] <TSK> artao: Oh, aye.  Especially when our nation's DEBT it measured in those big numbers.
[23:51] <artao> exactly
[23:51] <artao> world population
[23:51] <TSK> Millions, billions, trillions... If we all figure the names of the numbers differently then how much money DO we really owe?  How many people really ARE on the planet?  Etc...  :)
[23:51] <artao> the number of stars in the sky
[23:51] <artao> don't ask me, i don't know =S
[23:51] <TSK> artao: That one's easy...  It's "billions and billions".
[23:51] <TSK> Ask Carl Sagan...  ;)
[23:52] <artao> lol
[23:52] <artao> well, i'm out for awhile
[23:52] <TSK> Have a good one.  :)
[23:52]  * TSK waves bye.  :)
[23:52] <artao> need to see if i can find anyone with some tasty green nuggetz
[23:52] <artao> =]
[23:52] <TSK> :P
[23:54] <artaOUT> and thanks again for your help TSK ! =D
[23:54] <artaOUT> l8r


[12:40] <sveinse> According to man 5 init, I can use "manual" to prevent a service to start automatically. But if I do, initctl start does not recognize the service. (I'm running on ubuntu natty)
[13:07] <sveinse> How can I add an upstart service which can only be started manually?
[13:13] <sveinse> Nope. If I add "manual" below "start on" in my mcbapp.conf file, init responds with "start: unknown job: mcbapp"
[13:13] <sveinse> Take manual away, and everything's fine again


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[03:38] <rs2009> vorlon: would be great if you could take a look at the upload queue (ubuntu-unity-backgrounds)
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[08:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: fwupd [amd64] (jammy-proposed/main) [1.8.3-1~22.04.1] (core)
[08:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: fwupd [ppc64el] (jammy-proposed/main) [1.8.3-1~22.04.1] (core)
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[08:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted systemd [source] (jammy-proposed) [249.11-0ubuntu3.5]
[09:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: systemd [amd64] (jammy-proposed/main) [249.11-0ubuntu3.5] (core, i386-whitelist)
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[09:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: systemd [arm64] (jammy-proposed/main) [249.11-0ubuntu3.5] (core, i386-whitelist)
[09:29] <rbasak> vorlon: pypy-six/python-packaging> sorry I'm not sure what you're referring to.  We haven't had a build since 8/29.
[10:23] <bluesabre> https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[10:26] <RikMills> bluesabre: apparently new systemd broke DNS in the build containers
[10:27] <bluesabre> RikMills: Oh, that's exciting. Thanks for the info. :)
[11:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: systemd [riscv64] (jammy-proposed/main) [249.11-0ubuntu3.5] (core, i386-whitelist)
[12:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: php8.1 (jammy-proposed/main) [8.1.2-1ubuntu2.4 => 8.1.2-1ubuntu2.5] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[13:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pipewire [source] (jammy-proposed) [0.3.48-1ubuntu2]
[13:01] <rbasak> sil2100_: ^ FYI I accepted this following discussion with seb128
[13:03] <sil2100> rbasak: ACK
[13:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted systemd [source] (focal-proposed) [245.4-4ubuntu3.18]
[13:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted systemd [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [249.11-0ubuntu3.5]
[13:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted systemd [armhf] (jammy-proposed) [249.11-0ubuntu3.5]
[13:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted systemd [ppc64el] (jammy-proposed) [249.11-0ubuntu3.5]
[13:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted systemd [s390x] (jammy-proposed) [249.11-0ubuntu3.5]
[13:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted systemd [arm64] (jammy-proposed) [249.11-0ubuntu3.5]
[13:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted systemd [riscv64] (jammy-proposed) [249.11-0ubuntu3.5]
[13:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted systemd [i386] (jammy-proposed) [249.11-0ubuntu3.5]
[13:15] <ginggs> rbasak: six 1.16.0-4 dropped the pypy-six binary, which is a build dependency of python-packaging
[13:16] <ginggs> can be seen on https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html
[13:30] <rbasak> ginggs, vorlon: thanks. Seems like a bit of a rabbit hole. Isn't this just a regular +1 maint task? I did sync six, but this issue is unrelated and would have happened anyway had six not had a delta.
[13:37] <RikMills> how often does the update phasing page update?
[13:46] <ginggs> rbasak: isn't +1 mainly for universe packages?  anyway, i pinged someone about python-packaging
[13:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gzip (jammy-proposed/main) [1.10-4ubuntu4 => 1.10-4ubuntu4.1] (core, i386-whitelist)
[13:47] <rbasak> ginggs: I don't think there's a distinction: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlusOneMaintenanceTeam
[14:44] <rs2009> would be great if someone could take a look and approve the ubuntu-unity-backgrounds package in the Jammy upload queue
[15:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: openssh (focal-proposed/main) [1:8.2p1-4ubuntu0.5 => 1:8.2p1-4ubuntu0.6] (core, i386-whitelist)
[16:07] <sil2100> rs2009: looking o/
[16:07] <rs2009> sil2100: thanks :)
[16:08] <sil2100> rs2009: hmm, jammy? I don't see it in neither Unapproved or New, i.e. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
[16:09] <rs2009> sil2100: oops, meant kinetic :facepalm:
[16:10] <rs2009> (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/kinetic/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=)
[16:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: u-boot [riscv64] (kinetic-proposed/main) [2022.07+dfsg-1ubuntu3] (core)
[16:20] <sil2100> rs2009: ah, okay, so it's a new NEW package. My 'shift' for archive admin stuff is on Wednesday, so I'll try to get to it then o/ (I'm on my SRU shift right now)
[16:21] <rs2009> sil2100: ah thanks :)
[16:51] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, hello, I don't like/ask movements too often, so please forgive me if this is not the case, but can we move casparcg-server to universe from multiverse?
[16:51] <LocutusOfBorg> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1019122
[16:51] <LocutusOfBorg> they removed the non-free dependencies
[16:54] <arraybolt3[m]> LocutusOfBorg: I *think* you mean from multiverse to universe?
[16:57] <paride> sil2100, reading of your archive admin shift :) We (qa team) would like to upload a New package: auto-upgrade-testing, which is meant to run upgrade tests of different Ubuntu releases
[16:58] <paride> sil2100, it used to be in the archive in the past, but was RMd as it ended up being unmaintained
[16:58] <paride> but now it's maintained again
[16:58] <paride> sil2100, is it OK if I upload it to kinetic?
[17:21] <ginggs> rbasak, vorlon: there'll be a fix for python-packaging in debian in ~1week which can sync, see deferred upload mentioned in debian bug #1016775
[18:01] <vorlon> rbasak: you synced a package that included changes governed by feature freeze, so I don't think it's merely a +1 maintenance task
[18:18] <rbasak> vorlon: I synced it well before feature freeze.
[18:23] <tsimonq2> vorlon: Happy Labor Day. Any luck on the networking issues causing Lubuntu dailies to fail?
[18:30] <seb128> tsimonq2, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/live-build/+bug/1988772
[18:32] <tsimonq2> muchas gracias
[18:49] <vorlon> rbasak: ah then I read the publishing history wrong
[18:52] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: casparcg-server: is this being moved in Debian?
[19:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: ubuntu-unity-backgrounds (kinetic-proposed/primary) [22.10-0ubuntu1]
[19:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected ubuntu-unity-backgrounds [source] (kinetic-proposed) [22.10-0ubuntu1]
[19:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ubuntu-unity-backgrounds [source] (kinetic-proposed) [22.10-0ubuntu1]
[20:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ubuntu-unity-backgrounds [amd64] (kinetic-proposed/universe) [22.10-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[20:28] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, I guess it will be, but no bug yet


[06:00] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:13] <bigbrovar> hi guys. Is anyone running kubuntu 18.04 with an nfs home directory. There seem to be a bug where user is unable to login because kdeinit5 complains of inability to write to user home directory.
[07:13] <bigbrovar> it seems kdeinit5 can't determine if a user home directory writeable if that home is on an nfs share.
[07:14] <bigbrovar> I also confirmed this to be the case if I run a kde application like kile under a different desktop environment, application crashes same with kdeinit5 complaining of inability to write to user home.
[07:14] <bigbrovar> A bug report on the issue hsa been filed here
[07:14] <bigbrovar> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1774902
[10:04] <BluesKaj> hey folks
 Hello
 Someone knows when will the 5.58 KDE frameworks go to the backports? I'm not really familiar with the process. I saw it in the beta ppa. This global hotkey bug is really annoying...
[12:31] <YoKeSe> Hello, very good, could someone tell me how I can create a shortcut for an application installed with Q4Wine? Distribution Ubuntu 18.04. Thank you.
[12:32] <rakesh4545> click on start. type the application's name then right click and select add to desktop..kununtu
[12:37] <YoKeSe> Yes, I know this. But after installing the link was not configured automatically and the application is under virtual environment with WINE.
[12:38] <YoKeSe> Use Q4Wine to run it, and path is.. C:\Program Files\ etc..
[13:08] <markus__> Hello guys.
[13:26] <morari_108> Just no simple idea how to get @ (Alt-Gr+q on German layout keyboards)  as an kde shortcut?
[13:56] <klaus> hi there
[13:57] <klaus> i'm trying to change my boot resolution
[13:57] <klaus> in /etc/default/grub
[13:57] <klaus> i've set:
[13:57] <klaus> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text"
[13:57] <klaus> GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=1440x900
[13:57] <klaus> GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep
[13:58] <klaus> then i updated grub: sudo update-grub
[13:58] <klaus> but no, it doesn't work, no matter what it keep using the max resolution available
[13:59] <klaus> what did i miss ? how can i boot in tty, set my custom resolution and keep using it ?
[13:59] <klaus> (the boot in tty part, it works, it's the custom resolution part that doesn't)
[14:09] <klaus> anyone with a pulse raise the hand
[14:11] <OerHeks> klaus, it should be something like this : GRUB_GFXMODE=1440x900x32 /// GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD=1440x900x32
[14:11] <OerHeks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/18444/how-do-i-increase-console-mode-resolution
[14:12] <klaus> OerHeks: thanks for the reply
[14:12] <klaus> i try it brb
[14:16] <klaus> OerHeks: that didn't change a thing
[14:16] <klaus> here's my /etc/default/grub file:
[14:16] <klaus> https://pastebin.com/TVDpTifJ
[14:35] <user|4180> Quick question, does kubuntu automatically install graphic drivers? I found a driver manager tool installed, but when I start lutris it says no vulkan drivers found
[14:58] <klaus> anyone knows how to change the framebuffer default virtual_size at boot time ?
[15:01] <klaus> you, bigbrovar how long since you last ate a human being ?
[15:02] <klaus> just checking if zombie or not
[15:03] <klaus> most of the channel have become infected it seems
[15:05] <klaus> i propose renaming the channel to Zubuntu
[15:06] <klaus> or i could try agitating a freshly dead rabbit around and check who tries to bite
[15:06] <klaus> darksim: be carefull most  of the users here are otwhat they seem to be
[15:07] <bigbrovar> klaus: I am human.. or I suppose I am.
[15:07] <klaus> ooh O_O
[15:07] <klaus> be careful around here, maybe not safe :)
[15:07] <esa1975> Unless there is some odd sci-fi thing going on (i.e. invasion of the bodie snatchers) I am also human
[15:08] <klaus> thank god i'm not alone :)
[15:08] <bigbrovar> One thing I am certain of though is kubuntu 18.04 don't seem to work well with nfs share home directory.. complains about lack of write permission
[15:08] <klaus> 'hellOOooo'  (28 days later movie style)
[15:08] <bigbrovar> same thing happens with kde applications running in other desktops
[15:08] <bigbrovar> there is a bug report here on the issuehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1774902
[15:09] <klaus> anyone knows how to change the framebuffer virtual_size at boot time ? idealy a grub kernel parameter ?
[15:09] <bigbrovar> interestingly kubuntu 16.04 systems connecting to the same nfs share with same user home directory using the same options seem to connect fine without issues
[15:10] <klaus> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="video=1280x1024" changes the resolution, but not the virtual_size
[15:12] <klaus> my tty is correct resolution (font aren't too little to read anymore) but the virtual size of it is still 2560,1600
[15:12] <klaus> cat /sys/class/graphics/fb0/virtual_size
[15:12] <klaus> 2560,1600
[19:31] <tomte> hi there
[19:31] <tomte> anyone here got an epson wf4700 series scanner to work?
[19:32] <tomte> I managed to install epsons imagescan and plugins, but it can't find a device
[19:39] <diogenes_> tomte, have you rebooted after installing those packages? or at least turn off/on the scanner and if so, run: sudo scanimage -L and see what it shows.
[19:57] <tomte> diogenes_: no, I didn't reboot in a very long time...
[19:57] <tomte> gonna try, thank you
[20:33] <YoKeSe> Any Brackets user been able to solve the typographical problem with "OpenFreeType6" in the current versions of Ubuntu?


[07:54] <joostvb> re
[08:36] <joostvb> enyc: i've been on this network since ever, fwiw
[08:36] <joostvb> enyc: spreek je nederlands?
[09:25] <enyc> joostvb: oh dear!  I actually do not ...  use translator.
[09:25] <enyc> I just help lost people time-time!
[10:44] <joostvb> enyc: i c, cool
[10:44] <joostvb> enyc: i _believe_ my nick is already registered @ nickserv
[10:45] <joostvb> пон 07 10:35 -NickServ(NickServ@services.libera.chat)- You are already logged in as joostvb.
[12:30] <enyc> joostvb: However you should NOT be  /msg nickserv register -- set up SASL,  https://libera.chat/guides/sasl  and   https://libera.chat/guides/cloaks too .
[14:28] <joostvb> hrm....
[14:29] <joostvb> and give libera my email address, i understand
[14:30] <joostvb> enyc: tnx for those links anyway
[14:59] <enyc> well you can use a throwaway-email tbh
[15:00] <enyc> you just need  nick/password and set up SASL
[15:33] <joostvb> "just" ;-P


[01:14] <JoseeAntonioR> AlanBell: too late, already did what INSTALL said. will try it the other way later on, out again
[06:24] <IdleOne> Who do we poke about updating https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes with the hashes for 12.04.01 ?
[06:24] <IdleOne> 12.04.1*
[06:24] <pleia2> yourself?
[06:24] <IdleOne> page is immutable
[06:25] <pleia2> ah
[06:25] <pleia2> #acl AdminGroup:read,write,delete,revert,admin All:read
[06:26] <pleia2> aw, can't see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AdminGroup
[06:26] <pleia2> I think the wiki admins are in that group though (they hang out in #ubuntu-doc)
[06:26] <pleia2> cprofitt, phillw
[06:26] <IdleOne> okie dokie, thank you :)
[06:27] <pleia2> rocket2dmn and mdke are in the page history


[00:04] <simplew> mr-rich: havent tried, but i think would be better for just use skype
[00:05] <mr-rich> simplew: Telepathy requires Skype to be installed ...
[00:05] <mr-rich> simplew: How do I restart the Telepathy service?
[00:05] <simplew> mr-rich: so why you dont simply run skype?
[00:06] <simplew> mr-rich: ps aux|grep telepathy then kill the apps that apepar
[00:06] <bobby_> I'm having a problem with flash
[00:06] <mr-rich> simplew: I do ... Skype doesn't do spell checking on the fly, telepathy ..
[00:06] <bobby_> i install it again and again and it doesn't work
[00:07] <bobby_> with firefox
[00:07] <bobby_> anyone?
[00:08] <bobby_> it was working fine before
[00:08] <bobby_> but then i installed updates
[00:08] <bobby_> now its no good
[00:08] <svspl> adobe-flashplugin?
[00:08] <bobby_> yes
[00:08] <simplew> bobby_: what dpkg -l|grep -i flash   shows?
[00:10] <bobby_> tell me what to do
[00:11] <simplew> bobby_: i asked to show that output
[00:12] <simplew> mr-rich: for hat i see when adding a skype assount in ktp it simply runs skype
[01:12] <zacarias> Hi. Does someone know if there is an official google support channel somewhere?
[01:25] <SIR_Taco> zacarias: for what exactly?
[01:26] <OerHeks> there is an unofficial channel here on freenode.
[01:37] <zacarias> SIR_Taco: For asking if there is a way of deleting all Google contacts groups at once (my wife's account is permnanently creating empty groups, each time it syncs with Android, I think)
[01:44] <SIR_Taco> zacarias: in the context of?
[01:47] <zacarias> SIR_Taco: well, I think I explained before: I would like to delete the hundreds of contact groups google created for me (actually, for my wife), when auto-syncing with Android (lots of empty-groups with the same name). That's why I wanted to find a Google support IRC channel.
[01:50] <SIR_Taco> zacarias: so on an Android phone the?
[01:50] <SIR_Taco> *then
[01:51] <xixor> ... android, lol
[01:55] <Shaan7> zacarias: I wonder if there even is such a channel. You're best asking on some android forum
[01:55] <SIR_Taco> zacarias: possibly try #android channel?
[01:59] <xixor> yo, so, I try to run bleachbit, which I think is a gtk app, with kdesudo, and I get Could Not Open X Display.  Anyone have any ideas?  Cheers
[01:59] <SIR_Taco> ... bleachbit, lol
[02:00] <xixor> lol
[02:00] <xixor> I just wanted to try it out
[02:00] <xixor> hm..... things like, kdesudo muon, don't work also
[02:02] <xixor> meh, I just use xhost + for now, then xhost -
[02:02] <xixor> wow, bleachbit cleared up quite a bit o space
[02:08] <SIR_Taco> xixor: you don't need to use kdesudo for muon
[02:09] <xixor> I know, I was just using it as an example to show that kdesudo muon itself wasn't working
[02:09] <xixor> er, that launching any X app, kde, or otherwise, with kdesudo wasn't working right, there is something up with my sudoers Xauthority perhaps, I dunno
[02:24] <xixor> well, good night gents, later
[05:13] <inocentpc> is anyone here a developer?
[05:15] <inocentpc> I'm not going to bore you with stupid questions. Just want to talk with a developer for a min. honest!
[05:18] <inocentpc> when would be a good time to get on IRC to meet a developer?
[05:18] <inocentpc> so far, no answer
[05:20] <inocentpc> is there a 1-800 number to talk to a developer?
[05:22] <inocentpc> so why was this IRC channel created if I cannot get in touch with a developer?
[05:24] <inocentpc> I guess I quit. thanks but no thanks for your lack of replies.
[05:32] <bazhang> inocentpc, why do you need to speak to a developer. just ask your support question here
[07:50] <ahmet> TÜrk varmı
[08:35] <Ahox_> Hi, I have some problemsn with openvpn - when using it through the networkmanager libcrypto keeps crashing - any idea why?
[08:36] <Ahox_> I put up the relevant syslog at http://paste.kde.org/585380/ .
[10:06] <altecnologic> Good morning, I need to get only the URL you type in the squid
[11:51] <DoNotKNowCarlie> Hi. I just upgraded my packages on 12.04 and rebooted, now I'm getting blank screen. it's an i7-2600 machine.
[11:52] <DoNotKNowCarlie> I added nomodset to the boot options but then the resolution is fixed to 640x480
[11:52] <yud1z> good evening everyone
[11:52] <bazhang> DoNotKNowCarlie, in  kubuntu? ubuntu? you are posting to both channels.
[11:53] <DoNotKNowCarlie> bazhang: kubuntu but I guess it's X/driver problem so what's the difference
[11:53] <bazhang> DoNotKNowCarlie, its the same helpers in both channels...
[11:54] <DoNotKNowCarlie> oh I see..anyway I'm stuck and a little bit in panic
[11:54] <bazhang> whats the card
[11:55] <DoNotKNowCarlie> no card, it's the on CPU  GPU . I don't know how they call it
[11:55] <bazhang> the video card
[11:56] <DoNotKNowCarlie> i7-2600 , the machine has no "card" it's on bord, lspci shows  intel core integrated graphics controller
[11:57] <DoNotKNowCarlie> so it's intel
[11:57] <bazhang> DoNotKNowCarlie, would you mind paste.ubuntu.com with the output of lspci
[11:59] <DoNotKNowCarlie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1317751/
[12:03] <bazhang> DoNotKNowCarlie, this is not an optimus? only the intel?
[12:04] <DoNotKNowCarlie> bazhang: optimus ? there is only one hdmi port on the back of the machine
[12:05] <DoNotKNowCarlie> bazhang: there is no other card. and the screen is attached with a small  hdmi to vga converter
[12:05] <torbjorn> how do you actually apply the network changes to set in network manager?
[12:06] <bazhang> the converter might be the issue
[12:06] <torbjorn> I set some ip addresses and some routes, but nothing happened
[12:06] <bazhang> there is a PPA you could try though: http://islandlinux.org/howto/update-intel-video-driver-latest-version-ubuntu   DoNotKNowCarlie
[12:06] <DoNotKNowCarlie> bazhang: but it worked fine until the last apt-get upgrade
[12:07] <DoNotKNowCarlie> bazhang: anyway, now that I booted with nomodset, X starts normally but at 640x480 . how can I change that?
[12:26] <marcellus_> hi. I am running Kubuntu 12.04 with Kernel 3.6 and Muon shows me to upgrade the Kernel to a lower one. Should I ignore it or just install it anyway? I know the Kernel 3.6 will be still running...
[12:53] <simplew> in 12.10 running "kdesudo dolphin" does allow to run other KDE applications from it? does kwrite runs when double clicking in a text file from dolphin root?
[12:55] <lordievader> simplew: Yes if you open a file from dolphin, when dolphin runs under root, kwrite will also run under the root user.
[12:56] <simplew> lordievader: did you tried it? because here DOES NOT run
[12:58] <lordievader> simplew: I didn't try it with Kwrite, but I know Kate will open under root if you use dolphin under root. Else you can always open Kwrite under root with kdesudo kwrite.
[12:59] <simplew> lordievader: so you have n
[12:59] <simplew> lordievader: so you have NOT tried
[12:59] <simplew> lordievader: i know what i can do, im trying to report an existing problem
[13:01] <simplew> another problem, runing kuser to add a new user does add to sudoers, thus when entering in a session with new user and running for example "kdesudo dolphin" will report that the users does NOT belong to sudoers
[13:02] <lordievader> simplew: Ofcourse not, you do not want to give a user root, not even temporary.
[13:03] <lordievader> simplew: I have just tested your problem, kwrite is running as root.
[13:03] <simplew> lordievader: so i do NOT see an option allowing to set the new user as an administrator, and that should exist like it happens in GNOME
[13:03] <simplew> lordievader: are you running 12.10
[13:03] <lordievader> simplew: 12.04
[13:04] <simplew> lordievader: aH!
[13:04] <lordievader> simplew: System Settings -> User Management
[13:04] <simplew> lordievader: thats a gnome tool!
[13:05] <simplew> lordievader: and that entry does not appear when running KDE
[13:05] <tsimpson> simplew: it's a KDE tool, I see it in front of me now
[13:06] <simplew> tsimpson: show me a screenshot, if its a kde tool it should be kuser and that i dont believe it is
[13:07] <lordievader> simplew: On my 12.10 install kwrite also runs under root.
[13:07] <simplew> lordievader: im trying to understand what triggers this problem
[13:07] <simplew> lordievader: because im not simply inventing this
[13:08] <simplew> tsimpson: System Settings -> User Management  its not a KDE tool
[13:08] <lordievader> simplew: Does the terminal throw you an error when you run something with kdesudo?
[13:09] <simplew> no
[13:09] <lordievader> simplew: Also how do you check under which user kwrite is running?
[13:09] <simplew> lordievader: of course
[13:09] <simplew> i said root
[13:09] <tsimpson> simplew: yes, it is: http://ubuntuone.com/52y3Qtq13bydJQr3Rft5gD
[13:09] <simplew> even if u do "su -" it will hapens the same issue
[13:09] <tsimpson> see the "KDE Control Module" titles
[13:10] <tsimpson> I don't have Gnome installed, so it's certainly not a Gnome tool
[13:10] <simplew> tsimpson: yes it is, ubuntu install certain tools by default that are gnome
[13:10] <lordievader> simplew: Perhaps I'm failing to understand you. What is exactly your problem with kdesudo?
[13:10] <simplew> tsimpson: seams you dont know how to distinguish its difference
[13:11] <tsimpson> simplew: please do enlighten me
[13:11] <simplew> lordievader: i didnot said was specificially with kdesudo, read this https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309233
[13:12] <edgy> Hi, where does klipper stores it's history?
[13:12] <simplew> tsimpson: i dont have time for that, i know your trying to help,but im far from being a newbie user
[13:12] <tsimpson> simplew: it's odd you say that, because "kcmshell4 userconfig" launches that, and that's not a gnome tool
[13:13] <lordievader> simplew: I'm still not clear, does kwrite run at all or does kwrite run as a normal user?
[13:13] <simplew> tsimpson: i dont have such module running
[13:13] <simplew> lordievader: as regular user all runs as expected
[13:13] <tsimpson> that's what launches when you go to System Setting -> User Management
[13:14] <simplew> tsimpson: so what package instlal that
[13:14] <lordievader> simplew: How does that answer my question?
[13:15] <tsimpson> simplew: userconfig
[13:17] <simplew> tsimpson: thats a tool i never saw in all years i run kde, but indeed shows some things not available in kuser
[13:17] <tsimpson> it's part of the default install
[13:18] <simplew> tsimpson: i did installed ubuntu and then isntalled kde packages
[13:18] <tsimpson> well it comes with kubuntu-desktop
[13:19] <simplew> tsimpson: im now installed the meta package kde-full that will trigger to install all kde packages
[13:19] <simplew> lordievader: i think it does
[13:20] <tsimpson> simplew: you should get kubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-full to get the default packages
[13:20] <tsimpson> it won't be in kde-full
[13:21] <lordievader> simplew: Start it from a root dolphin session, and run in a terminal "ps aux|grep kwrite" that will tell you under what user kwrite runs.
[13:21] <simplew> tsimpson: kde-full triggers to install all kde packages
[13:21] <lordievader> tsimpson: Isn't it part of the KDE software compilation?
[13:21] <tsimpson> but not all Kubuntu default packages
[13:21] <simplew> tsimpson: already told ya im not a newbie, i know exactly what i do
[13:22] <tsimpson> lordievader: no, it's a Kubuntu project
[13:22] <lordievader> tsimpson: Didn't know that, good to know, thank you :)
[13:22] <tsimpson> simplew: still doesn't mean you'll get userconfig from kde-full
[13:22] <simplew> tsimpson: still this tool does not run with kdesudo, to do so i need to run: kdesudo `kcmshell4 userconfig` and still does not appear allowing to modify admin users
[13:23] <simplew> but thats not the main issue, the issue is that dolphin as root is not allowing to run kde apps
[13:24] <simplew> and in dolphin root i can run non kde apps like gedit, strange isnt it....
[13:25] <tsimpson> kdesudo `kcmshell4 userconfig`?
[13:25] <simplew> tsimpson: unbelievable, "kcmshell4 userconfig" it only allow to modify admin users if only running it with sudo, thats shows thats a tool very well developed...
[13:26] <tsimpson> simplew: running "kdesudo kcmshell4 userconfig" allows me to modify system users just fine
[13:26] <simplew> tsimpson: kdesudo kcmshell4 userconfig  does not run
[13:27] <tsimpson> it does here
[13:27] <lordievader> simplew: I have a feeling something is very funky about your system, the userconfig allows me to edit admin users, no problem.
[13:27] <simplew> this is going even better...
[13:27] <simplew> lol
[13:28] <simplew> the only thing i did in /etc/sudoers was to set it to NOPASSWD
[13:29] <simplew> to stop to allways prompting the user pass
[13:30] <tsimpson> I have NOPASSWD in my sudoers too, it's not an issue
[13:30] <simplew> of course its not
[13:31] <simplew> i was simply saying that was nothing funky in my system, its all default
[13:32] <simplew> so something is causing all this mess in KDE/su
[13:32] <simplew> i think it will be better to simply get kubuntu iso and do a clean isntall...
[13:33] <tsimpson> first you should try installing the kubuntu-desktop package, see if the problem persists
[13:33] <simplew> does the kubuntu install allow to install in encrypted LVM partitions? ot its the same as in ubuntu install?
[13:34] <tsimpson> it would be the same as ubuntu, they use the same backend for installation
[13:36] <simplew> i really dont get how ubuntu still continues using such an installer that does not allow to install encrypted where the other main distros have it, im referring to OpenSuse, Mageia, Fedora...
[13:38] <simplew> well lordievader and tsimpson thanks for the support
[13:39] <lordievader> simplew: No problem.
[13:42] <simplew> who maintains kde-full package?
[13:44] <simplew> the only thing i can see in the package info is Maintainer: Kubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:44] <simplew> but this way we cant know which packager is
[13:46] <tsimpson> simplew: the Kubuntu Developers team manages it, not a single person
[13:47] <simplew> tsimpson: certainly theres a guy who maintains and not the all team
[13:47] <simplew> tsimpson: like it uses to happen in all distros
[13:47] <tsimpson> the entire point of a team is that there is no one single person responsible for everything
[13:48] <tsimpson> the "bus problem" does not apply
[13:49] <yofel> simplew: as you can see in the changelog, various people contribute to that
[13:49] <tsimpson> the bus problem: only one person does X in a project, that person crosses the road and gets hit by a bus, now no one does X
[13:49] <yofel> simplew: as for kde-full though: that package is mostly just taken from debian, it's not changed much in kubuntu
[13:49] <simplew> tsimpson: for exmaple in mageia when you query a package it uses to show the packager, for example in Mandriva when quering a KDE package it shows mandriva kde team, and that doesnt mean its a team that meanages all packages, there are packages maintained specific packages
[13:50] <tsimpson> there aren't specific maintainers for specific packages, just the person who happens to make a change or upload the package
[13:50] <simplew> yofel: still didnt look to changelog, im quiet new to debian packaging/quering tools, im used to rpm, but this http://www.pixelbeat.org/docs/packaging.html is helping me muc
[13:51] <yofel> simplew: there's 'apt-get changelog <package>' or you can open /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.Debian.gz
[13:51] <yofel> latter only if the package is installed
[13:51] <simplew> so anyone who belongs to kubuntu packaging team can do changes without asking anything?
[13:52] <yofel> yes
[13:52] <simplew> weird...
[13:53] <simplew> at least for me is, im used to see speciffic packagers, and when one wants to do a change first speaks with the packager in question, thus preventing any conflicts
[13:54] <yofel> here we trust people to not do stupid things - or to ask if they're not sure about what they're doing
[13:54] <tsimpson> the packages are maintained in bzr branches on launchapd, so it's collaborative but still accountable
[13:54] <yofel> and the changelog says who did something
[13:54] <simplew> tsimpson: having a changelog doesnt prevent conflicts from happen
[13:55] <yofel> as tsimpson said there are bzr branches too, and those usually do prevent that
[13:55] <simplew> yofel: but if it has worked so far its because its also a good way i believe :)
[13:55] <tsimpson> bzr is a distributed VSC, and having it on LP keeps it centralized
[13:55] <yofel> if someone doesn't use them then he did something wrong
[13:56] <simplew> yofel: im not familiar with bzr and launchpad...
[13:57] <simplew> by the way whats the steps to become a packager?
[13:57] <tsimpson> you join #kubuntu-devel and say you'd like to help
[13:58] <simplew> tsimpson: isnt there some wiki explaining the steps?
[13:58] <tsimpson> probably, but I don't know it off-hand
[13:59] <yofel> simplew: there is the packaging guide, but it then depends on the team how you procede after that - for kubuntu do as tsimpson said
[13:59] <simplew> yofel: yes i have joined devel channel :)
[14:10] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:10] <xixor> sup
[14:11] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj, how are you?
[14:12] <BluesKaj> hey xixor, lordievader ..doing fine thanks , and you?
[14:12] <xixor> ooh, not bad
[14:12] <xixor> not digging the weather
[14:12] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Doing good too :)
[14:12] <BluesKaj> snow there, xixor ?
[14:13] <BluesKaj> just rain and wind here
[14:19] <mamoun> Hi, How can I install a source package from kde-look?
[14:20] <mamoun> I'm a casual linux user, and I have no idea how to compile this package as it was said when I tried to google for answer
[14:20] <mamoun> The package is a begeneric kwin effect package
[14:25] <BluesKaj> mamoun, is it a theme?
[14:25] <mamoun> BluesKaj: No, it's a kwin plugin/effect
[14:26] <frederick> hi, nepomuk consume so much ram
[14:27] <BluesKaj> frederick, if you don't need nepomuk , turn it off in systemsettings>desktop search
[14:28] <xixor> Neopomuk shouldn't consume that much ram though, right?
[14:28] <xixor> isn't it set at 50mb by default?
[14:28] <frederick> BluesKaj, thank if i do it, but should be best eficient
[14:28] <BluesKaj> xixor, it does because it's linked to akonadi
[14:30] <xixor> oic
[14:30] <xixor> I've never understood what akonadi did
[14:30] <BluesKaj> !akonadi
[14:31] <BluesKaj> no factoid
[14:31] <xixor> :(
[14:31] <xixor> I've never even figured out how to use desktop search in KDE
[14:31] <xixor> so I just disabled it all
[14:31] <BluesKaj> akonadi is the dtabase server for kmail, kontact and the PIM package
[14:33] <xixor> lol, kmail
[14:33] <BluesKaj> xixor, most home users don't need it unless they need to save thousands of emails and conatacts etc
[14:33] <xixor> I tried to use kmail... I have zero faith in it.  Having it randomly send replies to work emails with my personal account was unacceptable
[14:34] <BluesKaj> uhm , no kidding
[14:35] <BluesKaj> I tried kmail , but it just segfaults after a few days
[14:47] <BluesKaj> thunderbird does what I need just fine
[14:56] <yuri__> can anyone here help me?
[14:57] <BluesKaj> yuri__, depends on your issue , just ask your question
[14:57] <yuri__> cool
[14:57] <yuri__> im trying to install kubuntu to my friend's computer
[14:58] <spawn57> yuri__: cool
[14:58] <yuri__> but unlike my pc, when i go to the installation there is no option to choose how much % of the hard disk the kubuntu will use
[14:58] <yuri__> in other words, my friend has only 2 partitions
[14:58] <yuri__> which is c: obviously and his disk
[14:59] <lordievader> yuri__: If you are confident you can do a manual partitioning.
[14:59] <yuri__> how can i Install kubuntu to only lets say 20 gb of that hard drive
[14:59] <yuri__> and if I am not?
[14:59] <BluesKaj> !gparted
[14:59] <yuri__> and whats the downside on manual partitioning?
[15:00] <yuri__> in order to manual partition ill need to take some space of c:/ which means formatting it?
[15:00] <lordievader> yuri__: It is slightly more complicated, but you get a more flexible install. The automatic doesn't make a seperate /home partition.
[15:00] <BluesKaj> no formatting , just resizing
[15:00] <lordievader> yuri__: What BluesKaj says.
[15:00] <yuri__> just resizing?
[15:00] <yuri__> hmmm
[15:00] <spawn57> yeah resize it only, format deletes data.
[15:01] <yuri__> yeah i know, but i thought that in order to change the partition sizes, it will have to format
[15:01] <spawn57> and you only format the _new_ partition that you make, not your existing partition
[15:01] <yuri__> ok
[15:01] <yuri__> so i just go to manual partition, take some space out for kubuntu
[15:01] <yuri__> then install it there?
[15:02] <lordievader> yuri__: You create 3 partitions in the 20gb, one that mounts to /, one that mounts to /home and a swap partition.
[15:02] <yuri__> when i installed kubuntu in to my pc, i just had to drag my mouse and decide how much gb to give up for kubuntu, why isnt it the same with my friends pc?
[15:02] <BluesKaj> lordievader, is it necessary to defrag windows before resizing anymore
[15:02] <lordievader> BluesKaj: No idea.
 - that is too complicated for me, i think ill have to find a diffrent approach
[15:03] <lordievader> BluesKaj: I think not, never did that before resizing ntfs partitions.
[15:06] <BluesKaj> yuri__, you don't need to have 3 partitions altho it's more efficient for data preservation if you have root partition known as / for the OS and /home partition for your data, and of course a swap partition
[15:06] <yuri__> I see, thanks for the help guys
[15:07] <lordievader> Then again swap is also debatable if it is necessary.
[15:07] <lordievader> If you have enough RAM and do not care for a /home partition you can make do with just one partition.
[15:09] <BluesKaj> or swap file could be made later , they work pretty well too
[15:18] <Kvakz> Is Pulse Audio good at syncing multiroom audio (multiple computers / network sinks)?
[15:18] <xixor> BluesKaj: I need more ram.  16Gb is not enough
[15:19] <BluesKaj> xixor, heh
[15:21] <xixor> I've been eyeing a new system for a while... the i7-3770k looks tempting, but only 32Gb of ram... not sure if it is worth upgrading.  The LGA2011 3820 or 3930 look good, but a bit expensive, but can handle 64Gb
[15:21] <BluesKaj> Kvakz, what are you using to stream the audio , or do you mean network access to the audio on one pc
[15:22] <BluesKaj> xixor, that's a ridiculoius overkill of RAM , unless you have tens of apps all running simultaneously
[15:23] <BluesKaj> unless it's a multi networked server
[15:24] <HorusHorrendus> hi ... some days ago I got an google alert and found this: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+build/3933565
[15:24] <HorusHorrendus> I'm really bad at deciphering what happened wrong ... anyone can help me?
[15:25] <BluesKaj> why the URL ,whynot just tell us what your issue is, HorusHorrendus
[15:26] <HorusHorrendus> BluesKaj: why the build failed
[15:26] <HorusHorrendus> but it seems I already found the diff: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/121418774/libmygpo-qt_1.0.6-0ubuntu1_1.0.6-0ubuntu1.1~ubuntu12.10~ppa1.diff.gz
[15:27] <tsimpson> the build failed because of the error in the buildlog
[15:27] <HorusHorrendus> diff between working version and version that failed to build ... anything I can do here as maintainer
[15:27] <HorusHorrendus> or just a packaging error
[15:27] <xixor> BluesKaj: Nah, I write some high performance scientific computing algorithms that will take as much ram as you have
[15:27] <HorusHorrendus> (maintainer of the lib, not of the package)
[15:27] <Kvakz> BluesKaj: I was thinking about sticking a small computer to active speakers, run linux and pulseaudio on them, and have them serve as "wireless speakers". Syncing audio between then (from one source) would be greate, for playing the same music in multiple rooms.
[15:27] <xixor> BluesKaj: So you combine that, with a few VMs, and throw some KDE bloat on top, and the amount of ram needed is quite large
[15:28] <HorusHorrendus> tsimpson: yeah reading that build log isn't easy, just says sth about symbols file and so on
[15:28] <tsimpson> HorusHorrendus: it's sating that debian/libmygpo-qt1.symbols is out of date, so it's a packaging issue
[15:29] <Steve132> I'm trying to add a skype account to telepathy....I installed and configured skype, then installed pidgin-skype package, then added my skype account in telepathy
[15:30] <Steve132> my skype is logged in
[15:30] <Steve132> and it automatically starts skype when it loads
[15:30] <Steve132> but telepathy just says "Connecting..." forever on the account manager page
[15:30] <Steve132> and skype never recieves an api connection request over dbus
[15:31] <Steve132> on kubuntu 12.04 with kopete, skype would recieve an api connection request and allow you to authorize kopete to use it
[15:31] <Steve132> but telepathy doesn't seem to trigger that
[15:31] <Steve132> any thoughts?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> xixor, some ppl use CUDA option on their GPUs rather than rely on RAM for computations and number crunching
[15:34] <BluesKaj> Steve132, only one , telepathy is buggy
[15:34] <xixor> BluesKaj: Yes, that is something I'd like to explore, but the problems I am solving, but the problems themselves do not lend themselves to easily being solved on GPUs, and are too large to fit in GPU memory
[15:34] <Steve132> Ok?
[15:35] <Steve132> lol, thats sorta unhelpful "The default IM doesn't work right"  "Well, its buggy"
[15:35] <Steve132> any ideas how to fix it?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> the GPU does thw CUDA work xixor, not the memory
[15:35] <xixor> BluesKaj: This https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1781062/shot1.png  is a relatively small run, only takes 16Gb of ram and running 100% on 12 threads of a 24-thread machine (dual hexcore)
[15:36] <xixor> BluesKaj: If the problem is too large to fit on the GPU memory, the amount of time it takes to move data back and forth diminishes any processing speedup of teh GPU
[15:38] <tron71> hi there
[15:38] <Steve132> xixor: that depends on what you are doing
[15:38] <BluesKaj> Steve132, it's difficult to solve a problem when the text fields disappear an reappear in differnt parts of the acts page , and that's my experience with telepathy
[15:38] <tron71> has anyone managed to get the KDE widget mublog (aka microblogging) work for twitter?
[15:39] <BluesKaj> acts=accts
[15:39] <lordievader> xixor: Isn't all that a bit offtopic?
[15:48] <HorusHorrendus> yofel: do you think the Ubuntu package of libmygpo-qt could be integrated into debian? ;)
[15:50] <HorusHorrendus> ohh and also btw could you fix the ppa package ;)
[15:51] <yofel> HorusHorrendus: the package builds have a bug there, but I'll try to fix the PPA at least
[15:51] <HorusHorrendus> yofel: where do they have bugs?
[15:51] <yofel> HorusHorrendus: as for debian, *I* don't really want to, but that doesn't mean nobody will
[15:52] <HorusHorrendus> yofel: well if you could find someone ...
[15:52] <HorusHorrendus> ;)
[15:52] <HorusHorrendus> with every release I write to the amarok-packagers but no idea who is the debian packager for amarok
[15:52] <HorusHorrendus> but that could probably be a good start
[15:53] <yofel> I can ask around sure, and at least file an RFP. I just have no intention in maintaining that in debian
[15:53] <HorusHorrendus> yofel: no problem, no idea what a RFP is but thanks for any help ;)
[15:54] <HorusHorrendus> that could help me convince the Clementine Devs to drop the integrated version of the lib ;)
[15:54] <yofel> debian request-for-package
[15:54] <HorusHorrendus> yofel: ahh thx
[15:55] <yofel> HorusHorrendus: debian maintainer for amarok is the debian kde extras team<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:55] <HorusHorrendus> yofel: thx, will write them the rfp then ...
[17:04] <stefan877> hi, I want install Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 on Kubuntu 12.10, this works with official download from openoffice.org, but OpenOffice looks like Windows 95 style. How to repair that?
[17:05] <BluesKaj> stefan877, use libre office , it's the replacement for OO
[17:06] <stefan877> BluesKaj: LibreOffice has some bugs that are not into Openoffice
[17:07] <stefan877> With ubuntu 12.04 and Unity the style is ok
[17:07] <stefan877> but with KDE are there problems...
[17:08] <genii-around> stefan877: Use qtcurve to make it look more integrated to Kubuntu
[17:08] <BluesKaj> stefan877, perhaps you could explore themes for libreoffice .I'm not very knowledgeable about it
[17:10] <genii-around> stefan877: After you install qtcurve, in System Settings... Common Appearance and Behaviour...  Application Appearance    ... there will be settings you can tweak for GTK apps under KDE
[17:11] <stefan877> genii-around: other GTK apps look like KDE apps without qtcurve, too
[17:11] <BluesKaj> one would think libreoffice for kde would come with integratiion in the installer
[17:11] <stefan877> genii-around: gtk2-engines-oxygen and gtk3-engines-exygen are already installed
[17:12] <stefan877> genii-around: does qtcurve work in an other way?
[17:13] <genii-around> You can specify in the sections GTK+ Appearance and GTK+ Configuration  to use the KDE icons, fonts, etc. May need kde-config-gtk
[17:14] <genii-around> ( to get those options in System Settings )
[17:14] <stefan877> oh there a some errors:
[17:14] <stefan877> (soffice:6020): Gtk-WARNING **: /opt/openoffice.org3/program/../basis-link/ure-link/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.15' not found (required by /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/liboxygen-gtk.so)
[17:17] <stefan877> genii-around: with QTCurve it works, ent the Gtk-WARNING is not there
[17:17] <stefan877> genii-around: but evince looks very bad wit QTCurve
[17:33] <stefan877> I have solved the oxygen problem:
[17:34] <stefan877> sudo mv /opt/openoffice.org/basis3.4/ure-link/lib/libstdc++.so.6 /opt/openoffice.org/basis3.4/ure-link/lib/libstdc++.so.6.def
[17:34] <stefan877> sudo ln -s  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6 /opt/openoffice.org/basis3.4/ure-link/lib/libstdc++.so.6
[17:34] <stefan877> so the Warning is gone and Windows 95 style, too ;-)
[17:36] <stefan877> genii-around: and bad look with QTCurve was caused by wrong font setting, with the right QTCurve is ok, but I like oxygen more...
[17:57] <andyman1> Hello. I'm getting a brief 'chirp' or crackle of static at the start of every sound playing. For example, if a notification plays, i'll hear *static*"ding". Any ideas how to resolve this?
[18:04] <BluesKaj> andyman1, do you have suystem sounds turned on in system settings>application and system notifications>manage notifications>player settings ?
[18:06] <andyman1> checking
[18:07] <stefan877> thank you...
[18:08] <andyman1> i believe so
[18:12] <BluesKaj> andyman1, do you want kde sound system , if not choose the "no audio" option...this is just fir system sounds , it won't affect your media audio players etc
[18:23] <andyman1> Yes, I'm fine with the default KDE sound system. And it was working fine up until a day or two ago when I upgraded to 12.10. The sounds still work fine, it's just that weird static chirp at the beginning that's a problem
[18:25] <BluesKaj> andyman1, is the volume at 100% ?
[18:25] <andyman1> yes
[18:29] <BluesKaj> turn the vol down to where the chirping is not apparent . I haven't heard of this problem before so i haven't got a clue how to fix it
[18:31] <andyman1> I fiddled with that, doesn't seem to work. Thanks for the attempt though. I appreciate it :)
[18:35] <BluesKaj> andyman1, well ,if the chirping bothers you enough to drop system sounds then you know what to do :)
[19:34] <BluesKaj> !IPsec
[20:51] <cab00t> Hello all, I have a question: How do I get my wifi connection to stay connected to the internet when connecting to wiered network (eth0) as well?
[20:57] <lordievader> cab00t: Do you have a laptop?
[21:00] <cab00t> Yes.
[21:01] <cab00t> A wifi card on it connected to an AP, and ethernet trough a router to another pc.
[21:01] <cab00t> AP is for the internet obv.
[21:01] <lordievader> cab00t: Often on a laptop there is a setting in the BIOS that does this.
[21:01] <cab00t> Something like...?
[21:01] <lordievader> cab00t: Look in your bios for a wlan/lan switching option.
[21:01] <cab00t> Ok?
[21:02] <lordievader> cab00t: Do you know how to edit the bios settings?
[21:02] <cab00t> Also, what is this under ipv4 / routes / "Use only for resources"?
[21:02] <cab00t> Yes ofcourse.
[21:03] <lordievader> cab00t: It's not so natural. Where do you see that?
[21:03] <cab00t> Connections in the lower right corner of screen, then "Manage Connections",
[21:04] <cab00t> Then settings of a connections, then under IPv4 then Routing tab.
[21:04] <cab00t> It's being mentioned in a forum post regarding what I need.
[21:05] <lordievader> cab00t: Hmm, I'm not sure, perhaps someone else knows?
[21:06] <cab00t> I'll be online if someone can help,
[21:06] <cab00t> Thank you very much for  your time lordievader btw. )
[21:06] <cab00t> :)
[21:06] <lordievader> cab00t: No problem, perhaps you can find the answer online...
[21:06] <cab00t> Yep, on it in meantime. :)
[21:07] <HulkHogan> ?
[21:13] <BluesKaj> cab00t, my laptop auto disables the wifi connection when an ethernet cable is plugged in .
[21:14] <cab00t> It's the same case I suppose, but do you know how to disable that?
[21:14] <BluesKaj> I think the setting is called auto connect , there might be an option to run both at once , but I haven't checked that
[21:15] <cab00t> I think that means you automatically connect if a known network is available?
[21:15] <BluesKaj> unfortunately the laptop is elsewhere atm
[21:16] <cab00t> Trying this one thing, might get dc. :)
[21:17] <lordievader> cab00t: I already told you, you need to go to the bios and change the setting.
[21:17] <cab00t> Alright, I found it,
[21:17] <cab00t> No, there's another way,
[21:18] <cab00t> You need to edit the "Wired Connection 1" or however it's called, and go to IPv4 / Routing / "only use this connection for resources on its network" .
[21:18] <cab00t> That's it, I'm connected to both atm. :)
[21:18] <lordievader> Oh well on my laptop, it is that setting, with it turned on the wifi gets hard-blocked.'
[21:19] <lordievader> cab00t: But I stand corrected, good to know though :)
[21:20] <cab00t> Was probably something more specific, thanks for suggesting it anyway. :) Ye, something new every day, esp with Linux I guess...
[21:20] <cab00t> :P
[21:21] <cab00t> My browser seemes to have stopped working though... :\
[22:28] <uglyoldbob_> how can I use ffmpeg to convert from 15 to 30fps, and not have the video be twice as fast?
[23:59] <f91w> #tcl


[03:05] <JonathanD> Morning PA.
[04:08] <ChinnoDog> too soon
[04:12] <ChinnoDog> JonathanD: try again in 8 hours
[11:07] <JonathanD> Morning PA
[11:16] <rmg51> morning  JonathanD
[11:17] <JonathanD> Morning rmg51
[11:17] <rmg51> o/
[11:17] <JonathanD> you missed one great camping trip.
[11:17] <rmg51> maybe one day I like camping  ;-)
[11:18] <JonathanD> The nature center was pretty cool too.
[11:18] <rmg51> right now I can't leave Mom home alone for a whole weekend
[11:18] <JonathanD> ah
[11:19] <rmg51> she's no longer allowed to drive
[11:19] <rmg51> starting to loose her memory
[11:20] <rmg51> I can still do a picnic :-D
[11:21] <JonathanD> picnics are good
[11:21] <JonathanD> we'll do one soon (July?)
[11:23] <rmg51> sounds good
[11:23] <rmg51> if we do one soon maybe Teddy will stop pouting :P
[11:24] <JonathanD> might have to be august actually.
[11:24] <JonathanD> Have josh's summer camp and fosscon in july.
[11:24] <JonathanD> thats 3 weekends we're gone for.
[11:25] <rmg51> I'll just have to feed him more chocolate :-/
[12:08] <waltman> Is Teddy coming to fosscon?
[12:09] <waltman> That might really cheer him up.
[12:09] <JonathanD> indeed.
[12:23] <rmg51> Teddy is all about fun
[12:24] <rmg51> fosscon isn't his idea of fun
[12:24] <rmg51> anyhow it's time to leave for work
[12:24] <rmg51> later
[14:29] <ChinnoDog> JonathanD: Who was at camping?
[14:34] <teddy-dbear> not me :'(
[14:38] <InHisName> I was at a ballet recital.
[14:47] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: no one from philly.
[14:48] <JonathanD> except scott
[17:43] <andrew> I was in West Virginia
[17:46] <ChinnoDog> Still have all your teeth?
[17:52] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all, and to all some crispy baconz
[17:52] <JonathanD> hello SamuraiAlba
[17:53] <SamuraiAlba> Hail
[17:53] <SamuraiAlba> The dual core Athlon BE 7750 is all sorts of jacked up and side to side
[17:53] <SamuraiAlba> Uncle was using it (it is my sons PC now) and disabled AVG, installed frostwire and utorrent, and started downloading
[17:53] <SamuraiAlba> Now NONE of the control panel apps work
[17:53] <SamuraiAlba> amongst other things, that is the least of the shiz
[17:54] <SamuraiAlba> Porn popups..
[17:54] <SamuraiAlba> XP Antivirus 2012 is on it too
[17:54] <SamuraiAlba> scareware
[17:54] <SamuraiAlba> I litereally am nuking the drive thursday, and reinstalling win 7 ult, truecrypting the boot partition, and installing a BIOS boot password
[17:58] <JonathanD> that'll only help if you don't let them on it after :p
[17:58] <JonathanD> Ever
[17:58] <JonathanD> The real viruses are users.
[18:02] <SamuraiAlba> The real issue is my uncle is a cheating jack...
[18:02] <SamuraiAlba> ***
[18:02] <SamuraiAlba> He uses my sons PC (grandmother bought it from me) to get around his wife checking up on him
[18:02] <SamuraiAlba> I'm gonna block a ton of crap at the router...
[18:03] <JonathanD> reporting > blocking.
[18:04] <SamuraiAlba> Computer is so jacked, it isnt funny
[18:06] <SamuraiAlba> Gonna print the history out :)
[18:06] <SamuraiAlba> BTW - The Lexmark X5650 printer grammie has, is cheaper to buy NEW, thn to get ink