[12:03] <GameOver69> hey guys are there any good dc++ programs... i have linux dc++ but im not really diggin it
[12:04] <bunghole> hi
[12:04] <slow-motion> n8
[12:04] <bunghole> im holding a hot dog
[12:05] <LjL> GameOver69: you could try valknut
[12:05] <bunghole> i just now installed kubuntu, and the fonts are huge.  is there a way to change the dpi without having to restart X with -dpi 96
[12:07] <bunghole> anyone
[12:12] <ClayG> whats the name of that script nalioth is involved with ?
[12:12] <ClayG> anyone know?
[12:15] <tech9iner> bunghole.. damn.. missed me old dad again huh..
[12:15] <tech9iner> rofl
[12:15] <Tm_T> easyubuntu
[12:15] <Tm_T> ClayG:
[12:15] <ClayG> thanks
[12:15] <tech9iner> oh wait.. that'd be dunghole.. nm.. ;]
[12:15] <LiteHedded> !samba
[12:15] <ubotu> rumour has it, samba is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[12:20] <sorush20> hi guys how do refressh the k menu?
[12:20] <Hobbsee> sorush20: killall kicker && kicker
[12:20] <LiteHedded> I need samba help
[12:22] <sorush20> LiteHedded: go to #samba
[12:23] <LiteHedded> yea thanks...
[12:23] <sorush20> np
[12:34] <LiteHedded> not getting any response in #samba
[12:34] <LiteHedded> can someone here help me?
[12:36] <xatalinux> hello
[12:36] <zeeshan_> vow
[12:36] <che_benway> hi all. need to streamline my system cause i suspect there's a lot of stuff that i don't need. running kubuntu breezy. any idea where i can find out exactly what i can safely remove?
[12:37] <Hobbsee> che_benway: howto on ubuntuforums.org - in the howto section
[12:37] <xatalinux> i don't have sound in kubuntu can someone hellp me in thise way?
[12:38] <xatalinux> i'm very new in linux and i don't know so much about
[12:39] <che_benway> Hobbsee: thanks. was just doing it individually in adept. just don't want to remove anything critical
[12:39] <kkathman> xatalinux: whats the issue?
[12:39] <xatalinux> i don't have any sound in my com
[12:40] <xatalinux> what i must install ?
[12:40] <zeeshan_> i like the internet.
[12:40] <kkathman> xatalinux:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems?highlight=%28Sound%29
[12:41] <kkathman> xatalinux: some problems are simple, others not so simple...try the simple ones first.
[12:41] <xatalinux> also i install some new programs and i don't see the icons in my com
[12:41] <xatalinux> k
[12:41] <xatalinux> thanks
[12:41] <kkathman> xatalinux: did you install breezy ?
[12:42] <xatalinux> i really don't know
[12:42] <xatalinux> but is posibil
[12:42] <kkathman> xatalinux: uhmm you want to check that our...what version you installed
[12:43] <kkathman> xatalinux: check what version of ubuntu you installed
[12:43] <ubuntu> hola!
[12:43] <xatalinux> were a can check this?
[12:43] <flipjarg> has anyone had any problems using the "Administrator" button when they're trying to change settings?
[12:43] <Hobbsee> flipjarg: yes, use kdesu kcontrol instead
[12:44] <Hobbsee> ie, alt+f2, kdesu kcontrol
[12:44] <flipjarg> Jeeze, thank god i thoughs omething was screwed up.
[12:44] <kkathman> xatalinux: are you running off of a disk only?  I.e what disk did you install from?
[12:44] <Hobbsee> anyone tried the kde3.5.1 on dapper?  how's it work?
[12:44] <kkathman> Hobbsee: was waiting for an off. announcement from Kubuntu.org
[12:45] <LiteHedded> d'oh!
[12:45] <LiteHedded> rebooting the windows box did it
[12:45] <kkathman> ahhh Ive been away most of the day
[12:45] <kkathman> thats a test tho
[12:45] <Hobbsee> yes, i was wondering if anyone's tried it
[12:45] <Hobbsee> so have i
[12:45] <kkathman> geez
[12:45] <kkathman> touchy today
[12:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there
[12:46] <xatalinux> i instal ubuntu for intel 386
[12:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there a way to bind an hotkey to show the desktop in kubuntu? like the win+d in windows
[12:48] <Raerklegler> Hi, can anyone give me a hand? Im stuck on the last part of the installation
[12:48] <alvito> buenas noches
[12:48] <Hobbsee> Raerklegler: more info?
[12:48] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there a way to bind an hotkey to show the desktop in kubuntu? like the win+d in windows
[12:48] <Hobbsee> Tallia1Kubuntu: see in kcontrol, keyboard shortcuts
[12:48] <Raerklegler>  Everything seems to have completed and now im in some sort of terminal and i have no clue on how to get to KDE
[12:48] <Hobbsee> Raerklegler: try startx
[12:48] <LiteHedded> !ati
[12:48] <ubotu> from memory, ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[12:48] <Raerklegler> lets see
[12:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i know that....... but which is the command to show the desktop?
[12:49] <Raerklegler> yep, that kinda worked but it threw me back to where I was, it might be the ATI x600 vid card
[12:52] <flipjarg> %t
[12:53] <Raerklegler> I get this error in the log when I startx: FATAL SERVER ERROR: no screens found.
[12:53] <xatalinux> kkathman:it is a special comand in konsole for sound?
[12:54] <kkathman> xatalinux: nope..not usually...did you check over that page?
[12:54] <xatalinux> yes
[12:54] <kkathman> xatalinux: also, if we dont know what version you installed, its a little hard to help.
[12:55] <kkathman> xatalinux: however, do you have NO sound at all, or just through your media players?
[12:55] <xatalinux> i can find somthing in synaptic ?
[12:55] <xatalinux> i don't have at allsound
[12:56] <xatalinux> sorry i have a litle quastion if you don't mind
[12:57] <xatalinux> were a can go to check to see what versione i have ?
[12:57] <kkathman> xatalinux:  are you running KDE?
[12:57] <xatalinux> yes
[12:57] <kkathman> ahh ok
[12:59] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there a way to bind an hotkey to show the desktop in kubuntu? like the win+d in windows
[12:59] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ok using kcontrol, but which is the command to show the desktop?
[01:01] <`Nomad> Hi..  I have an application that starts up everytime I boot recently, DVD-Author.  It"s not in my Autostart folder, nor in the global Autostart?  Where is it starting from?  I can't even find an rc.local
[01:01] <Hobbsee> oh, i thought it was there
[01:02] <Raerklegler> I get this error in the log when I startx: FATAL SERVER ERROR: no screens found.
[01:02] <kkathman> autostart is in your home dir/.kde
[01:02] <Raerklegler> well, but i cant start
[01:03] <Raerklegler> somehow, this is related to my ati x600
[01:04] <`Nomad> I know, but that dvd-Author software is not in my .kde/Autostart, nor in teh global one
[01:04] <`Nomad> That's why I can't figure out where it starts from.. Did someone implement a windows-like registry behind mu back?? hehe
[01:04] <`Nomad> my back
[01:06] <kkathman> you might trace back to either inittab or possibly your /etc/trc3 directory and see if its there
[01:06] <kkathman> rc3 not trc
[01:06] <`Nomad> oh maybe
[01:08] <xatalinux> i have install some programs in kubuntu from synaptic but i can find the icons....were i can find them?
[01:08] <dark_suic> maybe they don't have icon...
[01:09] <dark_suic> what are this programs?
[01:09] <`Nomad> nope, not there
[01:09] <xatalinux> when i open synaptic show me are instaled
[01:09] <LiteHedded> can someone help me with ati?
[01:09] <xatalinux> but i can not see the programs
[01:10] <xatalinux> for example i install opera
[01:10] <dark_suic> xata
[01:10] <dark_suic> what programs
[01:10] <dark_suic> try this
[01:10] <xatalinux> opera
[01:10] <dark_suic> alt+f2 -> write opera there and hit enter
[01:10] <xatalinux> i can open only with run comand
[01:10] <xatalinux> k
[01:11] <xatalinux> thanks
[01:11] <dark_suic> you'll probably have to restart kde to make the icons appear (i know there is a faster way, but i can't remember it)
[01:11] <LiteHedded> anyone?
[01:11] <dark_suic> if you restart kde you'll probably get the icons
[01:11] <xatalinux> k
[01:11] <xatalinux> i restart the com but is the same problem
[01:12] <`Nomad> refreshing the desktop may work
[01:12] <dark_suic> still no icons?
[01:12] <dark_suic> strange...
[01:13] <xatalinux> normaly i must find in internet from K menu
[01:13] <xatalinux> but is not
[01:13] <xatalinux> with run comand it work
[01:13] <cerdg> when someone has a moment, I need a bit of help with a video card
[01:14] <xatalinux> olso i instal some games and is the same problem about icons
[01:15] <`Nomad> xata: even after you restarted?
[01:15] <xatalinux> yes
[01:15] <cerdg> xatalinux:  have you tried manually creating a shortcut?
[01:15] <`Nomad> xata: Try reading this: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-80394.html
[01:16] <xatalinux> k
[01:16] <xatalinux> thanks
[01:16] <`Nomad> For some reason there are many more things showing up in teh Debian menu than teh reg. KDE one
[01:18] <xatalinux> k
[01:18] <xatalinux> and i must install debian menu to can have acces for more aplication?
[01:21] <flipjarg> Gerkins: what are you for?
[01:21] <flipjarg> !girkins
[01:21] <ubotu> No idea, flipjarg
[01:22] <flipjarg> Gherkins hello
[01:22] <flipjarg> !Ghirkins hello
[01:22] <ubotu> flipjarg: I give up, what is it?
[01:22] <robotgeek> !botabuse
[01:22] <flipjarg> !Grace
[01:22] <ubotu> You can play with me in /msg or #debian-bots without being banned.
[01:22] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, flipjarg
[01:24] <flipjarg> !info K3b-mp3
[01:24] <ubotu> k3b-mp3: (The KDE cd burning application library - MP3 decoder), section universe/libs, is optional. Version: 0.12.2-0ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 92 kB
[01:25] <flipjarg> msg/ ubotu
[01:25] <robotgeek> flipjarg: /msg ubotu
[01:25] <flipjarg> yeah, sorry. i just got it. Thanks :-)
[01:25] <robotgeek>  /msg ubotu info k3b-mp3
[01:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i have two groups.... ftp and andrea
[01:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i added the user andrea to the group ftp
[01:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and changed group permissions of a folder to rw-
[01:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> why can't i access the folder?
[01:43] <Tallia1Kubuntu> do i have to reboot after i change the group seetings of the current user?
[01:43] <omri1> hello everyone
[01:43] <owner> tallial like this
[01:44] <owner> chown -R user:user /folder
[01:44] <owner> user being the user you want to give permissions to
[01:44] <owner> you may need to add sudo before chown
[01:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> that folder have to remain of ftp user at least
[01:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> because otherwise the ftp daemon can't use it
[01:44] <owner> chmod 0777
[01:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ?
[01:45] <owner> sudo chmod0777 /folder
[01:46] <omri1> I'm a windows user trying to make the long overdue transition to Linux. I've installed Kubuntu and was very impressed at the ease of installation and how things actually worked without me having to work hard for it. (I have some experience at installing debian and ubuntu a few versions ago). However it seems to me that Kubuntu works much slower than my Windows installation and I was wondering if there are optimizations I can do to make it work
[01:46] <omri1> when browsing the web using Firefox. It takes it longer than windows respond to my actions..
[01:47] <owner> !tell omril about dma
[01:48] <omri1> owner: the !tell command didn't do anything yet.. is the bot working?
[01:49] <owner> ubotu tell omril about dma
[01:49] <Hobbsee> yes it is - check your private messages?
[01:49] <owner> !dma
[01:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i start don't undestanding something
[01:49] <omri1> I suppose the private window is just supposed to open in Konversation?
[01:50] <owner> !dma
[01:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i can browse a folder only once its permissions are executable??
[01:50] <owner> no tallial
[01:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i thaught read permissions..
[01:50] <xatalinux> thank you very much because you help me to can see all my programs (icons)
[01:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> look
[01:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> from no permission
[01:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> with sudo chmod +rw folder
[01:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i can't access it
[01:51] <Tallia1Kubuntu> with sudo chmod +rwx folder i can
[01:51] <Hobbsee> omri1: yes
[01:51] <Tallia1Kubuntu> access i mean "cd folder"
[01:51] <omri1> then nothing happened.. which bot is it so that I can /msg it?
[01:51] <xatalinux> i install debian ....is very good ....again thanks ....
[01:51] <Hobbsee> omri1: ubotu
[01:52] <xatalinux> Sound server informational message:
[01:52] <xatalinux> Error while initializing the sound driver:
[01:52] <xatalinux> device: default can't be opened for playback (Device or resource busy)
[01:52] <xatalinux> The sound server will continue, using the null output device.
[01:52] <omri1> Hobbsee: it tells me it doesn't know what !dma is
[01:52] <Tallia1Kubuntu> owner: look here http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/6PtKIh49.html
[01:52] <Hobbsee> !+dma
[01:52] <ubotu> well, dma is Direct Memory Access/Addressing. A method of transferring data from one memory area to another without having to go through the central processing unit. It makes your hard disks run faster :-).  DMA from the ubuntu wiki guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[01:52] <omri1> oh, ok. it works
[01:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> owner: ??
[01:54] <xatalinux> what i can do with this (about the sound )
[01:56] <Hobbsee> Tallia1Kubuntu: what's the problem?  it looks like it worked
[01:57] <owner> yes
[01:57] <omri1> Ok, i've read about dma but it doesn't seem to be the problem. First of all, it works, and second I don't have problems at the speed of access to my cd/dvd but rather the OS itself works slow, especially Firefox
[01:57] <owner> chmod -w nowrite
[01:57] <owner> will make files read only
[01:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Hobbsee: yes, but i change the execution permissions instead of the read
[01:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Hobbsee: is that normal?
[01:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> to have read access to a folder i have to change its execution permissions?
[01:59] <owner> chmod a=rwx = chmod 077
[01:59] <Hobbsee> um....
[01:59] <Tallia1Kubuntu> so x is for access, w is for read only of its files?
[01:59] <owner> chmod a=rwx = chmod 0777
[01:59] <owner> you get the idea
[01:59] <Tallia1Kubuntu> oooo ok
[01:59] <Tallia1Kubuntu> tnx
[02:00] <owner> np
[02:00] <sabin> I'm having a graphics problem with the kubuntu 5.10 live cd
[02:01] <omri1> owner: do you know of anything else I can check? perhaps change some configuration? I'm sure there are many default programs I don't need that I might remove but I don't know which, etc..
[02:02] <sabin> when it starts X and loads the desktop enviroment the screen flashes and then all I get is vertical blue bars
[02:02] <owner> omril what are you computer specs?
[02:02] <sabin> I have a 660
[02:03] <sabin> 6600
[02:03] <omri1> It's a laptop, Dell Latitude 640C, 256MB, 2 GHz (i think)
[02:03] <omri1> Pentium M
[02:08] <Mythril> for some reason two different passwords are required for 'su' and 'sudo', how do I fix this?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> Mythril: just use sudo
[02:10] <LjL> Mythril: there's no password for "su", as there is no root password in ubuntu
[02:10] <LiteHedded> how do i change the clock from military time on the kde taskbar?
[02:11] <LiteHedded> !samba
[02:11] <ubotu> samba is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[02:12] <LjL> LiteHedded: right click, date and time format
[02:13] <LiteHedded> I don't see it in there LjL
[02:13] <mase_> hey guys whats the default KDE cd ripper called?
[02:14] <Hobbsee> mase_: kscd
[02:14] <LjL> LiteHedded: time and dates, time format
[02:14] <calidad> Greetings... I can not  start my modem with KPPP... When I try to connect, only appears "modem busy"... any advice please?
[02:14] <mase_> thats not it Hobbsee
[02:15] <Hobbsee> er, so it isnt...
[02:15] <LiteHedded> what should it say?
[02:15] <LiteHedded> HH MM ?
[02:15] <LjL> LiteHedded: the one with "AM PM"
[02:15] <LiteHedded> oh ok didn't know what that meant
[02:16] <Hobbsee> mase_: kaudiocreator
[02:16] <mase_> yeah
[02:16] <mase_> that
[02:16] <Xemanth^^> does kaudiocreator rip in lame with freedb search ?
[02:17] <omri1> well, thanks everyone, goodnight
[02:17] <LjL> Xemanth^^: i don't know, but the package doesn't list any freedb/cddb/musicbrainz dependency
[02:18] <mase_> Xemanth^^: yeah i guess
[02:18] <mase_> but i want to know the other method KaudioCreator gets its file names
[02:19] <Xemanth^^> hmm sounds nice software :>
[02:19] <Xemanth^^> i better try tomorrow
[02:23] <dark_suic> Xemanth^^, why kaudiocreator when you can do it directly from konqueror?
[02:23] <Xemanth^^> i don't like to do stuff with my file browser
[02:24] <dark_suic> well, if you saw it you may change your mind :P
[02:24] <dark_suic> have you seen how konqueror works with audiocds?
[02:24] <dark_suic> it's just awesome
[02:24] <Xemanth^^> nope
[02:24] <Vge> d
[02:24] <dark_suic> if you can, just try
[02:24] <dark_suic> insert an audio cd
[02:24] <Xemanth^^> i'm still trying to get my usb2 hdd working
[02:24] <sampan> dark_suic  i found that when i used konq to do a vbr ogg, it's lowpass wasn't consistent.  i'd set it to not fall below 192 and the files were regularly running 160s.
[02:24] <LjL> it gives you folders with (virtual) wavs, mp3s, oggs and stuff that you can copy
[02:24] <dark_suic> and write audiocd:/ in konquerors address bar
[02:24] <sampan> so i switched
[02:25] <Xemanth^^> dmesg shows that usb2 device maxtor connected but i cant see it in fdisk -l :|
[02:25] <Xemanth^^> i have own made kernel
[02:25] <dark_suic> Xemanth^^, fdisk -l doesn't show my hda and hdb :P
[02:25] <dark_suic> with precompiled kernel
[02:25] <Xemanth^^> huh
[02:26] <dark_suic> and i can assure you that they are (hda1 is / :P)
[02:26] <Xemanth^^> heh :)
[02:26] <Vge> hmm, stupid question, but how can i know my modem is working if i dont have a phone line atm? :)
[02:26] <dark_suic> well guys, going out see you
[02:26] <Xemanth^^> Vge:  :D
[02:26] <dark_suic> well, if it hasn't a phone line it isn't working :P
[02:27] <LjL> Vge: well if it tries to dial, then it will probably work...
[02:27] <dark_suic> but weill, if it's internal it shouls show up in lspci, and external (usb) on lsusb
[02:27] <LjL> Vge: if it doesn't try to dial, though, it might simply be because it expects a dialtone that isn't there (but there is a command to disable waiting for dialtone)
[02:27] <Xemanth^^> in dmesg it shows that its rightly connected with usb speed etd with irq
[02:28] <Xemanth^^> but i don't know how to mount it i cant see it
[02:28] <Xemanth^^> in dev
[02:28] <Vge> well ill try to hear the tone :)
[02:28] <sampan> xemanth^^ check /media/  does it have /media/usbdisk or /media/sda1  ?  that's where my usb2 ext. hdd is and all i had to do was plug it in
[02:28] <Xemanth^^> but oh well now i go sleep half four, nn peeps, tomorrow more solving this problem ----------->
[02:29] <Xemanth^^> sampan: dude not there, im not stupid
[02:29] <sampan> xemanth^^  no one called you stupid.
[02:29] <sampan> xemanth^^  we get questions for ALL sorts of problems in here; some with VERY simple solutions.  no need to get defensive.
[02:30] <Xemanth^^> i have played with debian, kubuntu, red hat, and mandrake 9x and mandriva
[02:30] <LiteHedded> ubuntu > mandrake
[02:30] <LiteHedded> I used to love mandrake but there's no comparison
[02:31] <Xemanth^^> sampan: sry, i just am little frustrated about that ican't listen music in linux because all my music are on lacie :|
[02:32] <Xemanth^^> and that f*cker cant work
[02:33] <Xemanth^^> whole ati is shit
[02:33] <Xemanth^^> sry
[02:34] <Xemanth^^> i still should grab the freaking chip out of my laptop and throw it outside
[02:34] <Xemanth^^> and buy nvidia laptop, which would work alot better :|
[02:37] <Xemanth^^> but oh well i go sleep clock really alot ->
[02:47] <eightiesk> hey
[03:12] <alljohnny> oi
[03:12] <alljohnny> hi =)
[03:12] <Hobbsee> hi
[03:13] <alljohnny> I'm testing Kubuntu and it is pretty cool!!
[03:13] <alljohnny> bbl :)
[03:13] <Captainbraille> alljohnny: what features stand out to you?
[03:14] <alljohnny> oh, ease of use! :)
[03:14] <alljohnny> it's almost as easy as windows or easy to setup
[03:14] <Captainbraille> Hobbsee, haha, can I have a bit of help installing Real10 please? =)
[03:14] <alljohnny> install/update/programs
[03:14] <Hobbsee> !real
[03:14] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, Hobbsee
[03:14] <Hobbsee> !multimedia
[03:14] <Captainbraille> alljohnny: right =)
[03:14] <ubotu> I guess multimedia is for codecs, http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch03.html#sect-music-and-movies ; and for applications, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultimediaApplications
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Captainbraille: i'd try the second link
[03:14] <alljohnny> *or easier
[03:15] <alljohnny> It's stable, k3b, openoffice, internet is faster :) I think I'll adopt it as my main system :) [i'm searching for a stable system to develop]  :)
[03:15] <Captainbraille> Thanks Hobbsee
[03:15] <alljohnny> cool programs! everything just works!! thank you for the good job :)
[03:16] <Hobbsee> no problems Captainbraille
[03:16] <Captainbraille> alljohnny: I agree completely!
[03:17] <alljohnny> Captainbraille: :)
[03:17] <alljohnny> be back later, cya :)
[03:27] <eightiesk> hey
[03:27] <eightiesk> `automake-1.6' is missing on your system.  You should only need it if
[03:27] <eightiesk>          you modified `Makefile.am', `acinclude.m4' or `configure.in'.
[03:27] <eightiesk>          You might want to install the `Automake' and `Perl' packages.
[03:27] <eightiesk>          Grab them from any GNU archive site.
[03:28] <eightiesk> what do i need?
[03:28] <robotgeek> sudo apt-get install automake-1.6
[03:32] <stupendo44> I need some help to optimize my DNS somehow. DNS resolving seems slow probably 70% of the time
[03:32] <stupendo44> comparing with Windows, I think I need to change something
[03:33] <eightiesk> ummmm
[03:33] <stupendo44> if anybody has some knowledge and/or experience, I'd like to be walked through checking some settings if possible
[03:33] <eightiesk> i have a question.
[03:33] <eightiesk> how do i use kdfx?
[03:33] <stupendo44> eightiesk: well, I'm using it. Let me remember a little bit. What have you done so far?
[03:34] <eightiesk> i dled the zip.
[03:34] <eightiesk> i need to install it.
[03:34] <stupendo44> eightiesk: oh, I'm sorry. I haven't used that. I'm using KBFX, which is a K-Menu button replacement
[03:35] <stupendo44> sorry
[03:35] <eightiesk> thats what i ment
[03:36] <eightiesk> KBFX
[03:36] <eightiesk> typo.
[03:36] <eightiesk> its installed now
[03:37] <eightiesk> how do i make it work?
[03:37] <stupendo44> oh, let me look it up
[03:38] <stupendo44> ok, you have it installed? You should be able to add it to your bar by right-clicking the taskbar, then Add Applet to panel. I think
[03:38] <Traum> ! root
[03:38] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[03:39] <Traum> ! lvm
[03:39] <ubotu> [lvm]  (for the moment) http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/
[03:39] <Traum> ! raid
[03:39] <ubotu> well, raid is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaidConfigurationHowto
[03:39] <Traum> ! combine:  lvm and raid
[03:39] <ubotu> Traum: What?
[03:40] <Traum> ! lvm and raid combined?
[03:40] <ubotu> Traum: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[03:40] <Traum> sancho ubotu
[03:40] <Tainted-Tim1> Anyone here?
[03:41] <stupendo44> eightiesk: how did you install it? compiling for a tar, or a deb?
[03:41] <stupendo44> Tainted-Tim1: no, nobody at all is here...
[03:41] <Tainted-Tim1> stupendo44: :p
[03:41] <Tainted-Tim1> stupendo44: Will you help me out?
[03:41] <Tainted-Tim1> stupendo44: I compiled and installed this app from kde-looks called metabar.
[03:41] <Tainted-Tim1> How do I run it;.
[03:42] <Tainted-Tim1> I'm a linux newb.
[03:42] <stupendo44> no. I mean yes. I mean no. I mean yes. Oh, wait. I don't know because I don't know what your problem is
[03:42] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: whats the name of the program
[03:42] <Tainted-Tim1> ^^ metabar.
[03:42] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: try simply typing metabar in the run screen
[03:42] <Tainted-Tim1> Didnt work...
[03:42] <eightiesk> uh i dunno.
[03:42] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: did it come with readme?
[03:43] <stupendo44> eightiesk: well, can you try to specify what you've done so far as much as you can?
[03:43] <smoet> hmm, kde looks much nicer then gnome
[03:43] <stupendo44> Tainted-Tim1: what was the file extension of the file that you downloaded?
[03:43] <LiteHedded> smoet: yes it does ;)
[03:43] <smoet> good thing i checked ;)
[03:43] <eightiesk> configure mak and makinstalled.
[03:43] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: Give me a moment, let me find it and download it ok?
[03:43] <stupendo44> no doubt...
[03:43] <Tainted-Tim1> Ok
[03:43] <Tainted-Tim1> thanks
[03:44] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: is this it http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=34127
[03:44] <Snake__> ?
[03:44] <rich0rd> is it a program, or a "plugin" e.g. for superkaramba?
[03:44] <eightiesk> stupendo44, where do i get the deb file i didn't knopw about it.
[03:44] <stupendo44> eightiesk: try reading this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76746
[03:44] <stupendo44> eightiesk: sometimes somebody will make a deb file. Not always
[03:44] <Tainted-Tim1> Thats a theme.
[03:44] <stupendo44> eightiesk: but you can create your own using the link that I sent you
[03:44] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: can you link me to what you downloaded?
[03:44] <Tainted-Tim1> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=21168
[03:45] <eightiesk> i just wanna make it work
[03:45] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: thank you
[03:46] <stupendo44> eightiesk: that page I sent you walks you through installing it and everything
[03:46] <stupendo44> eightiesk: read the whole thing for other peoples questions and problems too
[03:47] <eightiesk> stupendo44, i'm not a total noob just new to linux
[03:47] <eightiesk>  i'm microsoft certified.
[03:47] <eightiesk> :-p
[03:47] <rich0rd> hrhr
[03:47] <Tainted-Tim1> microshit*
[03:47] <rich0rd> i am cisco certified
[03:47] <rich0rd> so what
[03:47] <eightiesk> ya i no.
[03:47] <stupendo44> eightiesk: I wasn't trying to diss you.  It doesn't even have dos, it's some proprietary thing
[04:04] <Tainted-Tim1> Anyone have laptop memory?
[04:04] <Tainted-Tim1> lol
[04:04] <stupendo44> I remember a laptop, Tainted-Tim1
[04:04] <Snake__> stupendo44: What do you mean, you cant put dos on it??
[04:04] <stupendo44> I could, but what would be the point...
[04:04] <Snake__> stupendo44: idk...to run windows 3.1?
[04:05] <stupendo44> Snake__: do you think I want to cause more stress in my life?
[04:05] <Snake__> stupendo44: Just put it on there and give it to an elderly home :)
[04:05] <Snake__> stupendo44: then they get the headaches
[04:06] <stupendo44> I'd rather put linux on there if I was going to do that
[04:06] <Snake__> stupendo44: Hmmm good point sir!
[04:06] <stupendo44> *traitor
[04:06] <Snake__> stupendo44: Na, you just mentioned DOS, so you got me in that state of mind
[04:06] <Snake__> ;)
[04:06] <stupendo44> oh, so it's my fault...
[04:06] <stupendo44> always.
[04:06] <Snake__> Besides, 3.1 was good....I never got one BSOD on it!
[04:07] <Snake__> 3.11 was good, to be exact
[04:07] <stupendo44> Snake__: weren't BSODs invented in 95?
[04:07] <Snake__> stupendo44: Hehe, its okay, my gaming rig runs XP, but i'm on my laptop a lot more
[04:07] <Snake__> stupendo44: Yep :P
[04:07] <Snake__> Tis a joke
[04:08] <stupendo44> My main system is Kubuntu 5.10, but I switch to the other drive to play that game. That's basically the only reason. And now that I beat it, it's rare for me to switch.
[04:08] <stupendo44> My only issue with Kubuntu right now is the slow DNS resolving. I'm not even sure where to start
[04:09] <Snake__> I see
[04:09] <stupendo44> Snake__: ah, I get it now... Joke... yeah...
[04:09] <Snake__> rofl
[04:09] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: i'm sorry i'm taking so long
[04:09] <Tainted-Tim1> its ok
[04:09] <Tainted-Tim1> brb
[04:10] <stupendo44> world: I need some help to optimize my DNS somehow. DNS resolving seems slow probably 70% of the time.  Like using the computer. or. something.
[04:12] <Tainted-Tim1> back
[04:13] <Tainted-Tim1> any good new?
[04:13] <Tainted-Tim1> s
[04:13] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: not yet...i still cant get it to build
[04:13] <Snake__> grrr
[04:14] <Snake__> I hate KDE-Look...
[04:14] <Tainted-Tim1> Can you recommend a better place?
[04:14] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: For applications?
[04:15] <Snake__> Sourceforge
[04:15] <Tainted-Tim1> For desktop-enhancing..
[04:15] <Tainted-Tim1> applications, themes stuff like that.
[04:15] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: No not really...but a lot of applications just suck on KDE-Look
[04:16] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: i'm sorry, I can't get it to install, and without that, I can't really tell you how to run i
[04:16] <Snake__> t
[04:16] <stupendo44> Snake__: I would have to agree with that
[04:16] <bur[n] er> Snake__: it's mostly a theme site though
[04:17] <Tainted-Tim1> Damn, hmm.
[04:17] <Snake__> bur[n] er: and it does great as that, theres lots of good stuff in the order of wallpapers, themes, karambas etc, but they allow applications as well, and as I said..most just suck
[04:18] <Tainted-Tim1> What about a program like metabar?
[04:18] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: i'm not even sure exactly what it is, so I can't really recommend you to anything
[04:18] <Tainted-Tim1> Did you read the link I sent you?
[04:18] <Tainted-Tim1> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=21168
[04:19] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: but it doesn't say what it is
[04:20] <stupendo44> Tainted-Tim1: yeah, I'm not clear on what it is either. From the comments, it appears to be a program, but I can't tell for what
[04:21] <Tainted-Tim1> hahahaahah
[04:21] <Tainted-Tim1> lol
[04:21] <Tainted-Tim1> google metabar...i found the answer to my problem
[04:22] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: where at
[04:22] <Snake__> the source forge?
[04:22] <Tainted-Tim1> Its now what I thought it was.
[04:22] <Tainted-Tim1> Damnit.
[04:22] <Tainted-Tim1> so misleading.
[04:22] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: well reading over this sourceforge report...it appears i'm not the only one having make issues
[04:23] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: and it also apprears that the programmer isn't doing crap about it
[04:23] <Tainted-Tim1> I wonder why it compiled so easily for me..
[04:24] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: cuz ur special
[04:24] <Snake__> :)
[04:24] <Tainted-Tim1> zomgz
[04:24] <Tainted-Tim1> yay
[04:24] <Snake__> lol
[04:28] <Tainted-Tim1> How do I make my stuff look like his? The taskbar and application dock or w/e.
[04:29] <Tainted-Tim1> http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=28725&file1=28725-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=KMetabar++-+%28Modified+Metabar+0.7%29
[04:29] <Tainted-Tim1> In that pic
[04:30] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: ...ohh man thats a lot of customization
[04:30] <Snake__> Best of luck to you with that
[04:31] <Tainted-Tim1> Lol.
[04:31] <Tainted-Tim1> Any tips on where to start?
[04:31] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: right click on your panel, go to "panel menu" and configure panel
[04:31] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: start playing with stuff there
[04:33] <Tainted-Tim1> Eh, I almost got it.
[04:33] <Tainted-Tim1> :D
[04:33] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: Sweet, and you'll probly need to download a few things...that search bar isn't stock
[04:33] <Tainted-Tim1> The run Command?
[04:34] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: thats a run command??
[04:34] <Tainted-Tim1> I guess I downloaded that already....because its there.,
[04:34] <Tainted-Tim1> Yeah
[04:34] <Tainted-Tim1> Read the text above it.
[04:34] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: oh whoops, didn't see that :)
[04:34] <Tainted-Tim1> I put the color picker in too,
[04:34] <Tainted-Tim1> I always get pissed off in windows having to open PS.
[04:34] <Tainted-Tim1> taking a screenshot and then getting the value.
[04:35] <Tainted-Tim1> How do I move them?
[04:35] <Tainted-Tim1> The little applets
[04:35] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: In the taskbar?
[04:35] <Tainted-Tim1> Yeah
[04:36] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: there should be little bars when you move near the applet, drag the bar around
[04:36] <_ice> amarok problems with it
[04:36] <Tainted-Tim1> I had taken them off
[04:36] <_ice> I started it and now it won't load
[04:36] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: how did you do that..
[04:37] <Tainted-Tim1> Configure Panel > Appearance > Advanced > Hide.
[04:38] <_ice> how do I not have any permissions to kill frostwire ?
[04:38] <_ice> its says it when I try to kill it
[04:38] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: well I suggest you put it back :)
[04:38] <_ice> any suggestions
[04:39] <Tainted-Tim1> Well I did now.
[04:39] <Tainted-Tim1> But I removed them again.
[04:39] <Tainted-Tim1> I dont plan on moving them.
[04:39] <fatejudger> has anyone compiled amaroK on Dapper?
[04:39] <Snake__> _ice: are you sudo killing it?
[04:40] <_ice> no with the task manager
[04:40] <Snake__> _ice: oh...hmmm
[04:40] <Snake__> Dunno
[04:40] <Snake__> sorry
[04:40] <_ice> also to kde freezes when I pull up certain apps too
[04:40] <_ice> thinking about switching to flux or xfce
[04:41] <Snake__> _ice: I suggest xfce if you must switch
[04:41] <_ice> yeah I used to use it all the time
[04:42] <_ice> just that I like kde ?>
[04:42] <_ice> is 3.5 really buggy ?
[04:42] <Snake__> _ice: no sir, i'm on 3.5 and lovin every minuteo f it
[04:42] <Tainted-Tim1> What font do you think that is?
[04:42] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: no clue
[04:42] <_ice> so why is it running like piss for me then ?
[04:43] <Snake__> _ice: never seen piss run...and I honestly don't know
[04:43] <gamma> hey i'm getting some 404s when trying to upgrade dapper for the first time.. ideas?
[04:43] <gamma> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/h/hal/hal_0.5.6-1ubuntu1_i386.deb  404 Not Found
[04:43] <_ice> ok so why is it running poorly for me then
[04:43] <Snake__> _ice: as i just said, I honestly don't know
[04:43] <_ice> is there a way I can find out
[04:44] <Snake__> _ice: talk to someone more experienced than I
[04:44] <neosc> guys.. i've set my eth card up using ifconfig eth0 *.*.*.* netmask *.*.*.*
[04:44] <neosc> i still cnat connect to net tho...
[04:45] <Snake__> neosc: try typing "sudo dhclient"
[04:45] <Snake__> neosc: then try to ping google.com
[04:45] <neosc> no.. i cnt.. it gives
[04:45] <Tainted-Tim1> HAHAHHAHA
[04:45] <Tainted-Tim1> Wow.
[04:45] <neosc> cannot find NeoSc using gethostbyname()
[04:45] <Tainted-Tim1> I love the clock applet! With the mode "fuzzy"!
[04:45] <Tainted-Tim1> Its a "quarter to ten"
[04:46] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: It's quite annoying IMO :)
[04:46] <Tainted-Tim1> Hehe.
[04:46] <Snake__> neosc: when you do sudo dhclient??
[04:46] <neosc> any sudo command for that matter
[04:46] <Snake__> neosc: hmmm
[04:46] <neosc> sudo systemsettings, network-admin
[04:46] <neosc> anything..
[04:46] <Snake__> neosc: sounds like your sudo might be pooched, did it work??
[04:47] <Snake__> work before**
[04:47] <neosc> no..
[04:47] <neosc> i had to boot in recov mode to do the ifconfig
[04:47] <Snake__> neosc: like, did it work when you first installed your kubuntu
[04:47] <neosc> i installed kub yesterday
[04:47] <neosc> hasnt yet worked
[04:47] <neosc> am new to this
[04:48] <Snake__> neosc: Your install may have gone bad...because if sudo is screwed up, your in for a long haul
[04:48] <_ice> hmm reinstalled amarok still get the same problems get the splash screen then it just keeps loading
[04:48] <neosc> ya.. think i shud install again
[04:48] <_ice> very wierd
[04:48] <Snake__> neosc: that would be my suggestion
[04:49] <neosc> fwell.. what r the steps.. yesterday the install screwed up my XP.. dont want that to happed again
[04:49] <neosc> i just format the drive?
[04:49] <Snake__> neosc: how did you screw up your XP?
[04:49] <neosc> oh i dad two win oses on my comp..
[04:50] <Snake__> neosc: just format the partition that XP isn't on
[04:50] <neosc> i could no longer boot to xp.. showed a hal.dll missing or corrupted.. missing..
[04:50] <neosc> but thats a commo error it seems..
[04:50] <neosc> had to recover back my xp
[04:50] <Snake__> neosc: very odd
[04:51] <neosc> yes.. but fairly common 4 ppl with 2 wins
[04:51] <neosc> who install kub
[04:51] <Snake__> neosc: I'm sorry I don't have much experience myself beyond basic usage...
[04:51] <Snake__> So I can't really help you there
[04:51] <neosc> thanks anyway
[04:51] <Snake__> I try. lol
[04:51] <Nirvana> I have a problem with package creation. I have my own "secret" key in my ~/.gnupg/ dir. The filename is secring.gpg. All of that seems OK. But when I try to create a deb package for KMPlayer (0.92), I get this error: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/528282 -- Could the error be because I am creating this pkg in the /tmp directory, which is owned by root? I have made my own key, as I said earlier, and all should be well,
[04:51] <eightiesk> i can't get kbfx to install....
[04:51] <neosc> am waiting for my 5 ubuntu cds..
[04:52] <neosc> then i'll dump kubntu
[04:52] <Snake__> neosc: aw thats to bad...I love my kubuntu
[04:52] <Tainted-Tim1> Oh shit....How do I take a screenshot?
[04:52] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: run Kscreenshot
[04:53] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: i'm sorry, its called ksnapshot
[04:53] <neosc> hmm.. cant i just reinstall kub.. over the existing one..
[04:53] <Tainted-Tim1> I was gonna say..
[04:53] <neosc> by booting frm th install cd
[04:53] <neosc> without formatting and stuf
[04:53] <Traum> !lvm on to of Raid, or Raid on top of LVM??
[04:53] <ubotu> Traum: I give up, what is it?
[04:53] <Snake__> neosc: Yes you could, but I cant guarentee sudo being fixed, as I believe that retains your settings
[04:53] <neosc> oh
[04:54] <neosc> oh BTW anyone know what the heck hotplug subsystem is... my booting hangs up half the time at that stage
[04:54] <eightiesk> !kbfx
[04:54] <ubotu> eightiesk: I haven't a clue
[04:54] <eightiesk> :-(
[04:54] <Tainted-Tim1> http://infiniti-hax.com/images/ss.png It has nothing to do with hax, but Okay.
[04:55] <Tainted-Tim1> neosc: Do you have any USB things plugged in
[04:55] <Tainted-Tim1> ?
[04:55] <Tainted-Tim1> A GFX card?
[04:55] <Snake__> not bad Tainted-Tim1
[04:55] <neosc> no
[04:55] <neosc> no
[04:55] <Tainted-Tim1> PCI cards?
[04:55] <Tainted-Tim1> or AGP?
[04:55] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: one moment, ill see if I can find a pic of my screen
[04:55] <neosc> hmm.. maybe
[04:55] <Tainted-Tim1> Snake__: Im going to style it a bit more too.
[04:56] <neosc> but i'm sure i got a M/B with all of that embedded
[04:56] <neosc> i do have the slots tho..
[04:56] <neosc> empty
[04:56] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: heres mine
[04:56] <Snake__> http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/6357/sweet23dr.jpg
[04:56] <Tainted-Tim1> Oh, Hmm.
[04:56] <Tainted-Tim1> Im a linux noob.
[04:56] <Tainted-Tim1> I just fixed my exact same problem.
[04:57] <neosc> how?
[04:57] <Tainted-Tim1> I had a GFX card, I just put it in the Hotplug blacklist.
[04:57] <Tainted-Tim1> sudo gedit /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[04:57] <Tainted-Tim1> or kate
[04:57] <Tainted-Tim1> w/e.
[04:58] <neosc> crap.. my sudo's gone phoosh
[04:58] <neosc> gives 'cannot find neosc using gethostbyname()
[04:58] <Tainted-Tim1> Where can I get the infos thing?
[04:58] <Tainted-Tim1> neosc: No idea, ask some of the more experienced people.
[04:59] <neosc> hmm.
[04:59] <Nirvana> I have a problem with package creation. I have my own "secret" key in my ~/.gnupg/ dir. The filename is secring.gpg. All of that seems OK. But when I try to create a deb package for KMPlayer (0.92), I get this error: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/528282 -- Could the error be because I am creating this pkg in the /tmp directory, which is owned by root? I have made my own key, as I said earlier, and all should be well,
[05:01] <dark_suic> Nirvana, although i'm not sure and don't know a thing about packaging, if you believe that the error could be because of /tmp being owned by root, why don't you try to package it in your home directory?
[05:02] <jldugger> so i tried out kubuntu -- is there an easy way to "go back in time" to before i installed kubuntu-desktop
[05:02] <jldugger> ?
[05:02] <Tainted-Tim1> Snake__: Where can I get the Infos applet?
[05:02] <Tainted-Tim1> Delete the partition.
[05:02] <Snake__> Tainted-Tim1: mmmmmmmmm dunno
[05:04] <dark_suic> jldugger, i don't know if ther is a way, but you need to uninstall kubuntu-desktop??? you can have both...
[05:04] <dark_suic> you can enter gnome from the desktop manager
[05:04] <jldugger> dark_suic, well, it kinda clobbered the applications menu
[05:04] <dark_suic> ???
[05:05] <jldugger> i dont really need all the kde kapps
[05:05] <dark_suic> well, it shouln't have done that mainly because kde saves it's things at ~/.kde/
[05:05] <dark_suic> you can see if you want any of them
[05:05] <dark_suic> or if you don't like ANY of them
[05:05] <dark_suic> just remove your /home/user/.kde directory
[05:06] <dark_suic> it won't create one if you don't start kde again
[05:06] <jldugger> i dont think that will fix it
[05:06] <dark_suic> and it should remove most of the icons
[05:06] <jldugger> im pretty sure the menus are system wide
[05:06] <dark_suic> jldugger, u already tried?
[05:06] <dark_suic> it won't hurt since you aren't using kde anymore, are you?
[05:07] <jldugger> nope
[05:07] <Tainted-Tim1> Lol
[05:07] <Tainted-Tim1> Why do you want fluxbox?
[05:08] <dark_suic> then you may try it...
[05:08] <dark_suic> as i said, it won't hurt
[05:08] <dark_suic> but after4 removing it
[05:08] <jldugger> well i moved it to .kdetrsh
[05:08] <dark_suic> ok, but you won't see any change if you move it
[05:08] <jldugger> the menus are still full of kde-crap, presumably because the programs are still installed
[05:08] <dark_suic> the system looks for .desktop files
[05:08] <jldugger> i dont see why GNOME would look in .KDE
[05:08] <dark_suic> and the .desktop files are still there if you move the folder ;)
[05:09] <dark_suic> and you have to restart your x server
[05:09] <dark_suic> in order to make it dissappear
[05:09] <dark_suic> gnome doesn't have any special hate to kde :P
[05:09] <dark_suic> it just looks ALL over the system (i think :P)
[05:10] <dark_suic> if you think you have too much to do, just format and reinstall ubuntu without installing kubuntu-desktop again
[05:10] <jldugger> well, if i apt-get remove ark, the menu entry goes away.
[05:10] <eightiesk> dark_suic, will you help me?
[05:10] <jldugger> restarting your x server to apply changes appears to be more of a kde thing
[05:10] <dark_suic> eightiesk, i'm starting to get bored of people asking if i can help or if i will help :P just ask your question, maybe another one can help
[05:10] <eightiesk> i'm trying to install lol
[05:11] <eightiesk> kbfx
[05:11] <eightiesk> and it errors.
[05:11] <dark_suic> jldugger, if you make any config change in any thing, you have to restart the daemon running to make the changes apply
[05:11] <dark_suic> u ever tried changing /etc/network/interfaces and see if works without restarting networking?
[05:12] <dark_suic> eightiesk, i've heard that before, but can't help since i don't even know what kbfx is :P
[05:12] <jldugger> no, but ive tried changing the antialiasing / subpixel rendering
[05:12] <dark_suic> jldugger, if you just want to get rid of ALL KDE things, just reinstsall, it won't take more than 30-40 minutes
[05:13] <jldugger> it'd take more than 30 minutes to remember all the things i had previously configured, and back up my drive
[05:13] <eightiesk> Aji-Dahaka, do u use kbfx?
[05:13] <dark_suic> jldugger, you can save your configurations :P
[05:14] <dark_suic> eightiesk, try asking google with the exact error
[05:14] <jldugger> also, i dont have a list of packages i installed before kubuntu-desktop =/
[05:14] <eightiesk> its a huge error...
[05:14] <eightiesk> like 15 of them.
[05:14] <dark_suic> jldugger, try removing the kde icons that mess up your menu
[05:14] <dark_suic> removing the packages i mean
[05:14] <jldugger> i just removed the kdelibs packages
[05:15] <jldugger> that caught pretty much everything
[05:15] <dark_suic> you can just write them down to a terminal and then just
[05:15] <dark_suic> that's true
[05:15] <jldugger> the only kde app i used before was k3hb
[05:15] <dark_suic> you should remove kde-core (or something like that)
[05:15] <jldugger> i didnt install kde-core
[05:15] <jldugger> its a virtual package
[05:15] <jldugger> nothing depends on it, so nothing would be removed if i uninstalled it =/
[05:15] <dark_suic> well, kde-core is... kde core :P if you got kde installed it should have installed kde-core (i think)
[05:16] <dark_suic> ok
[05:16] <dark_suic> :P
[05:16] <dark_suic> keep in mind that i'm talking on suggestions and suppositions, never uninstalled kde from ubuntu as i love kde and don't like gnome :P
[05:16] <dark_suic> i'm just trying to do my best to help you :P
[05:16] <Red_Herring> dark_suic: im not sure, i just found out i dont have kde core installed
[05:16] <Red_Herring> and  im running kde
[05:17] <dark_suic> Red_Herring, i don't know :P
[05:17] <dark_suic> i just thought it should be installed as it is... ermmm kde-core?
[05:17] <Red_Herring> i got a question
[05:17] <jldugger> im telling ya, kde core is just a virtual pacakge. it depends on lots of things, so before you install "kde-core" you get all the things that kde core consists of
[05:17] <dark_suic> lol :P
[05:17] <Red_Herring> how are we gonna get SuSE lovers to come to Kubuntu?
[05:17] <dark_suic> i read you before :P
[05:17] <jldugger> same goes for kubuntu-desktop
[05:17] <owner> red herring do youi want to switch back to gnome?
[05:17] <Red_Herring> they are SO ignorant
[05:18] <dark_suic> Red_Herring, then leave them in their ignorance :P
[05:18] <Red_Herring> owner: i dont like gnome, theres nothgn new about it
[05:18] <eightiesk> owner do you use kbfx?
[05:18] <dark_suic> if anyone wants to move to kubuntu they will say, just don't try to ask them to
[05:18] <owner> i just googled it eighties
[05:18] <dark_suic> eightiesk, i'm kinda lazy at 5:20 am, what's kbfx?
[05:18] <owner> its a kicker replacement
[05:18] <owner> cool
[05:19] <dark_suic> lol
[05:19] <dark_suic> kicker seems good to me :P
[05:19] <eightiesk> its a kmenu replacment.
[05:19] <Red_Herring> dark_suic: i managed to get kubuntu on the computer club's computer, but the idiots FUCKED IT UP, so now they all love SuSE
[05:19] <dark_suic> ok, ok
[05:19] <Red_Herring> even thogh the turned it off during updating 5 TIMES!
[05:19] <owner> red herring, how does suse compare to ubuntu
[05:19] <dark_suic> Red_Herring, while you have your kubuntu....
[05:19] <Red_Herring> then WONDERED WHY IT BROKE
[05:19] <Red_Herring> owner: it doesnt
[05:19] <owner> i wanted to try suse before
[05:20] <owner> there is a supersuse
[05:20] <Red_Herring> suse is years behind kubuntu
[05:20] <dark_suic> i just can't let my beloved apt go :P
[05:20] <owner> really?
[05:20] <Red_Herring> dont use suse
[05:20] <Red_Herring> well
[05:20] <Red_Herring> thats kinda harsh
[05:20] <Red_Herring> its fine
[05:20] <eightiesk> ya
[05:20] <owner> okay, but what do you like the most about kubuntu over suse
[05:20] <Red_Herring> but the OSS version sucks to use anything w/
[05:20] <jldugger> im told suse does some pretty nifty things like provide mp3 playback by default, and detects most hardware properly.
[05:20] <eightiesk> :-(
[05:20] <Red_Herring> the FREE version cant get win32codecs
[05:20] <Red_Herring> or java
[05:21] <Red_Herring> or flash
[05:21] <Red_Herring> or opera
[05:21] <Cowlike> Red_Herring: at least Suse will correctly work with the power settings on your Dell laptop out of the box  ;)
[05:21] <Red_Herring> but the paid version is nice
[05:21] <Red_Herring> Cowlike: suse FUCKED UP the power setting on my laptop
[05:21] <owner> what about opensuse?
[05:21] <Red_Herring> kubuntu works perfecly
[05:21] <Red_Herring> owner: it sucks
[05:21] <owner> does suse use reiserfs?
[05:21] <Cowlike> Red_Herring: I have never yet been able to get kunbuntu to hibernate properly
[05:22] <Red_Herring> the only nice thing about suse is all the stuff that ya have ta get in ubuntu comes w/ suse
[05:22] <Red_Herring> the paid version
[05:22] <Cowlike> Red_Herring: crashes on restart  (prolly my ATI card)
[05:22] <Red_Herring> yeah
[05:22] <Red_Herring> ATI and linux sucks
[05:22] <owner> ati driver support sucks
[05:23] <Red_Herring> yup
[05:23] <owner> cowlike all of us ati fglrx users have that issue
[05:23] <Cowlike> owner and Red_Herring: everything is great w.r.t the ATI (opengl and all) except for the low power stuff
[05:23] <Red_Herring> i used to have ati
[05:23] <owner> it causes gdm/kdm to freeze when logging out
[05:23] <Red_Herring> but i hated it's linux support soooo much i got an nvidia card
[05:24] <Cowlike> owner: I have no such problem when logging out. only the power stuff gives me grief. everything else is great
[05:24] <Jestre> Is there a Psi 0.10 coming for kubuntu?
[05:24] <Red_Herring> whats Psi?
[05:24] <Red_Herring> !psi
[05:24] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Huh?
[05:24] <Jestre> Red_Herring: Jabber client
[05:24] <Red_Herring> hmm
[05:24] <eightiesk> owner ne luck?
[05:24] <dark_suic> kopete?
[05:24] <eightiesk> i been working on this for an hour.
[05:24] <Red_Herring> where are all ya from?
[05:25] <dark_suic> i have kopete for jabber :P
[05:25] <Red_Herring> i dont know anyone who uses jabber
[05:25] <dark_suic> spain, Red_Herring
[05:25] <Red_Herring> but i heard its popular in other places
[05:25] <dark_suic> Red_Herring, now you know :P
[05:25] <Red_Herring> yeah
[05:25] <eightiesk> Eastern USA here.
[05:25] <Red_Herring> i thoguth you told me that
[05:25] <Red_Herring> suberb of chicago here
[05:26] <Red_Herring> wheres everyone else from?
[05:26] <dark_suic> yeah, you asked the same yesterday :P
[05:26] <Red_Herring> yeah, and it was interesting to talk to someone from spain
[05:26] <Red_Herring> and finland
[05:27] <Red_Herring> i never would have learned about what others think of america if it wasnt for you guys
[05:28] <alekz> hi, how can i have sound on multiple aplications? if i use amaroK i dont have sound in firefox and same if i use firefox.. what can i do ?
[05:35] <Red_Herring> how do i add users?
[05:35] <bur[n] er> Red_Herring: kuser
[05:36] <Red_Herring> terminal way
[05:36] <Red_Herring> im sshing into a debian box i made
[05:36] <Red_Herring> no way to use kuser
[05:37] <Jestre> adduser or useradd
[05:37] <Red_Herring> adduser doesnt work
[05:37] <Red_Herring> oh
[05:37] <Red_Herring> its useradd
[05:38] <Jestre> Either should work... depends on how much configuration I need for the user
[05:38] <Jestre> Though I've never used deb
[05:38] <Red_Herring> its the same as ubuntu
[05:38] <dark_suic> Jestre, in some distros both aren't installed, just one of them...
[05:39] <Red_Herring> actually to be accurate, ubuntu is the same as debian
[05:39] <dark_suic> well, more or less :P
[05:39] <Jestre> Sort of, kinda :)
[05:39] <dark_suic> ubuntu/kubuntu is more user friendly
[05:39] <Red_Herring> never mind
[05:39] <Red_Herring> i just forgot to run it as root
[05:39] <Red_Herring> wow
[05:39] <dark_suic> but debian sid is more uptodate
[05:39] <dark_suic> you should :P
[05:39] <Red_Herring> the base of debian is the same as ubuntu
[05:40] <Red_Herring> well
[05:40] <Red_Herring> its the closest thing ubuntu is to
[05:40] <Red_Herring> slight differences
[05:40] <dark_suic> yeah
[05:40] <Red_Herring> for example
[05:40] <dr_wu> if i may, Ubuntu is built around Debian?
[05:40] <Red_Herring> ifconfig
[05:40] <Red_Herring> dr_wu: yup
[05:40] <Red_Herring> nearly 100%
[05:41] <Red_Herring> when i run ifconfig as a normal user under debian, it claims that the command is not found
[05:41] <Red_Herring> it works fine as a normal user under ubuntu
[05:41] <Red_Herring> i like debian's way on that one
[05:43] <dark_suic> for servers it's way better, but for a desktop install :P
[05:44] <dark_suic> having to su for knowing your ip isn't the best way to do it :P
[05:44] <dark_suic> or just /sbin/ifconfig
[05:44] <Red_Herring> i think it is
[05:44] <Red_Herring> if someone is ssh'd into your box as a normal user, its nice for them not to know too much about teh computer ;-)
[05:44] <dark_suic> well, it's just 5:45 am here, i didn't remember that with ifconfig you actually can CHANGE  eth config :P
[05:44] <dark_suic> and as it's the time it is
[05:45] <dark_suic> i think my system is going down to sleep NOW!
[05:45] <Cowlike> if someone is ssh'd into your box, they sure as hell already know what your ip is
[05:46] <stupendo44> hey, it there any way to control the automatic "nice" changing that Kubuntu is doing
[05:46] <dark_suic> well, but if someone is able to ssh into your box it's sure he will know that /sbin/ifconfig works too
[05:46] <stupendo44> sometimes it will slow a program down, when I don't want it to
[05:46] <Red_Herring> not sure
[05:46] <stupendo44> like firefox, when it's taking up 200MB of RAM
[05:46] <Red_Herring> dark_suic: im trying to get a freind to learn ssh and linux
[05:46] <dark_suic> see you guys
[05:46] <Red_Herring> i dont want them to be able to use ifconfig
[05:47] <Cowlike> then make it 700
[05:47] <Cowlike> it's owned by root
[05:48] <_grigory> anyone uses mplayer here?
[05:48] <Red_Herring> sometimes
[05:48] <_grigory> can't get fullscreen to work
[05:48] <Red_Herring> _grigory: you have the latest drivers installed?
[05:48] <Red_Herring> video card drivers
[05:48] <_grigory> hm... i suppose no
[05:49] <fit4lfe> trying to link firefox 1.5 as a dchoot -d
[05:49] <fit4lfe> using kde
[05:49] <Red_Herring> dont use firefox1.5
[05:49] <Red_Herring> its backported too much
[05:49] <fit4lfe> why ?
[05:49] <Red_Herring> it uses newer libs
[05:49] <_grigory> i thought it was mplayer problem - it doesn't really fullscreen video, just puts it on the black background, original size
[05:49] <fit4lfe> I like the tabs though
[05:49] <fit4lfe> lol
[05:50] <Red_Herring> _grigory: no, its the hardware, and by extention the driver, that controls the expantion of that
[05:50] <_grigory> Red_Herring: ok, thanks... let's check out ati.com
[05:51] <Red_Herring> !fglrx
[05:51] <ubotu> fglrx is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:51] <Cowlike> fit4lf3: i've been using 1.5 since it came out and it's fine. has a memory leak but other than that :)
[05:51] <Red_Herring> JUST a memory leak
[05:52] <Red_Herring> ?!?!?!?!?
[05:52] <Red_Herring> thats a VERY bad thing
[05:52] <Cowlike> yes, just a leak
[05:52] <Cowlike> no shit
[05:52] <Red_Herring> thats what makes m$ suck
[05:52] <Cowlike> just shut it down every few days
[05:52] <Cowlike> I know, nobody likes leaks... just saying it works. no lib problems
[05:52] <Red_Herring> really?
[05:52] <Red_Herring> well
[05:52] <Cowlike> yes
[05:52] <Cowlike> really
[05:52] <Red_Herring> the leak is a lib problem
[05:53] <Red_Herring> i geruntee it
[05:53] <Cowlike> what lib problem is that, exactly?
[05:53] <Red_Herring> no clue
[05:53] <Red_Herring> but ff1.5 uses brand new libs
[05:53] <Red_Herring> which kubuntu doesnt have
[05:53] <Red_Herring> so it could be any one of them
[05:53] <Cowlike> tons of C and C++ programs leak and it has nothing to do with libs, just forgetting to match all your allocs with frees
[05:53] <Red_Herring> true
[05:54] <Red_Herring> but the normal ff doesnt leak
[05:54] <Red_Herring> under any OS
[05:54] <Cowlike> what is "normal"?
[05:54] <Cowlike> google and you'll see that it had plenty of leaks before as well
[05:54] <fit4lfe> having trouble with amarok :?
[05:54] <Red_Herring> ok
[05:54] <Red_Herring> whatever
[05:54] <Red_Herring> you win
[05:54] <fit4lfe> I get to the splash screen and then it keeps loading ?
[05:55] <Cowlike> kmail is crashing with all the latest updates. I consider that worse :(   I kinda like kmail too
[05:55] <Cowlike> breezy, that is
[05:57] <Cowlike> Has anyone here ever tried to get (k)ubuntu working in MS Virtual PC?  Every time I try to install, it crashes partway through the install.
 This is so awesome...
[06:04] <Red_Herring> rj.selfip.com
[06:04] <Red_Herring> thats my debian server
[06:04] <Red_Herring> :-)
[06:05] <Cowlike> oh no! we know ur ip!  ;)
[06:05] <stupendo44> ok, you could definitely do without the scrolling title bar
[06:06] <stupendo44> cheesy and annoying
[06:06] <Red_Herring> hey
[06:06] <Red_Herring> i made that in cp1
[06:06] <Red_Herring> i was learning JS
[06:06] <Red_Herring> that just got up today
[06:06] <Red_Herring> it was down for the last month
[06:07] <Cowlike> yikes! running ftp too   ;)
[06:07] <Red_Herring> Cowlike: nothing on the ftp site
[06:08] <Cowlike> just wondering why you'd run ftp server and ssh both
[06:08] <Red_Herring> yet... ;-)
[06:08] <Red_Herring> Cowlike: ssh cant transfer files
[06:08] <Cowlike> ummm yes it can
[06:08] <Red_Herring> REALLY?
[06:08] <Cowlike> man "scp"
[06:08] <Red_Herring> how
[06:08] <Cowlike> yes
[06:08] <Cowlike> really
[06:08] <bur[n] er> yes ssh can!!!
[06:08] <Red_Herring> scp is something else entirely
[06:08] <unix_infidel> anyone here use kwifimanager to manage multiple wireless AP's and to transition b/w them?
[06:08] <bur[n] er> Red_Herring: sftp:// in nautilus or fish:// in konqueror or winscp.com for windows
[06:09] <Cowlike> bur[n] er   believe me, i've know that for a looooooong time
[06:09] <Red_Herring> bur[n] er: thats sftp
[06:09] <bur[n] er> scp is part of ssh, if you have ssh server, you have scp
[06:09] <Red_Herring> not ssh
[06:09] <Red_Herring> or ftp
[06:09] <Red_Herring> hmm
[06:09] <gamma> anyone getting 404 errors on dapper when trying to get the latest libasound, alsa-utils, ifupdown gconf2 libgconf2 gconf2-common libhal hal libhalstorage??
[06:09] <stupendo44> Red_Herring: One more suggestion, don't insert the full-size image into a reduced size on the page. The resizing always looks terrible
[06:09] <Cowlike> scp is part of the ssh distribution
[06:09] <bur[n] er> Red_Herring: it's part of ssh server
[06:09] <Cowlike> look into it some time
[06:09] <stupendo44> the glue and bush pictures
[06:09] <Red_Herring> stupendo44: didnt i make a thumbnail?
[06:09] <Red_Herring> oh
[06:09] <Cowlike> ssh server handles that
[06:09] <Red_Herring> that one
[06:09] <Red_Herring> yeah
[06:09] <Red_Herring> willfix
[06:09] <stupendo44> Red_Herring: not for those two. A right-click View Picture shows the whole thing
[06:10] <bur[n] er> gamma: it's just the US repos
[06:10] <Red_Herring> oh yeah, forgot about those
[06:11] <eightiesk> !yahoo
[06:11] <gamma> bur[n] er: are they going to add it at some point? 0.o
[06:11] <ubotu> eightiesk: Huh?
[06:11] <eightiesk> !ymessenger
[06:11] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, eightiesk
[06:11] <eightiesk> !yahoomessenger
[06:11] <ubotu> eightiesk: Some people juggle geese
[06:11] <stupendo44> someone should register BestLinuxDistribution.com and direct it to Kubuntu
[06:12] <stupendo44> ubotu: some people juggle geese
[06:12] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese, stupendo44
[06:12] <Red_Herring> good idea
[06:12] <bur[n] er> gamma: add what?  I don't know, i just switched all the us.ubuntu to fr.ubuntu ;)
[06:13] <bur[n] er> eightiesk: /msg ubotu
[06:13] <stupendo44> ubotu: some people juggle geese
[06:13] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, stupendo44
[06:14] <gamma> bur[n] er: haha i guess i'll do that too then :P
[06:15] <gamma> didn't france outlaw opensource?
[06:15] <bur[n] er> gamma: works for me so far, i hvaen't fully updated all my packages yet... should work though
[06:15] <bur[n] er> gamma: you prefer de. or uk. or au. ? ;)
[06:16] <gamma> haha i'll stick with the french i guess :P
[06:16] <gamma> i'm changing my list back once i upgrade though ;)
[06:24] <gamma> stupid question.. is laptop ram the same as desktop pc ram?
[06:33] <Red_Herring> wtf is with this!?!?!?
[06:33] <Red_Herring> i can get ftp as myself
[06:33] <Red_Herring> but i made an account for my freind...
[06:33] <Red_Herring> but he cant use his
[06:33] <Red_Herring> it gives him a password failure
[06:34] <eXSiR> is there a way to change dpi on kde ??
[06:35] <Cowlike> Red_Herring: is there a message in /var/log/messages?
[06:35] <Red_Herring> hmm
[06:36] <Cowlike> Red_Herring: it would be much easier to just have him use scp or sftp though
[06:36] <Cowlike> and more secure
[06:36] <Red_Herring> true
[06:36] <Cowlike> ftp transmits passwords over the wire in the clear
[06:41] <bur[n] er> eXSiR: by editing X itself
[06:41] <eXSiR> i found it but i dont know which value
[06:41] <eXSiR> sorry for this silly question
[06:42] <bur[n] er> eXSiR: it's probably set to 100 or 72 or
[06:42] <eXSiR> oke
[06:42] <eXSiR> i wanna setr it to 96
[06:42] <eXSiR> set*
[06:42] <eXSiR> i am reading man pages now
[06:43] <eXSiR> in fact the real problem is with my kde and gtk app. On kde desktop, gtk applications' font is very small!
[06:43] <slavik> what advice can you offer me to increase the eye candy in kde?
[06:44] <Red_Herring> eXSiR: look in systemsettings
[06:44] <Red_Herring> under appearence
[06:44] <Red_Herring> and font
[06:44] <Red_Herring> it should be there
[06:44] <eXSiR> there is no settings for dpi on kde
[06:44] <Red_Herring> well.. for gtk font's sizes
[06:44] <Red_Herring> there is
[06:45] <eXSiR> yes there is, but when i use it, this time my gnome desktop is messy
[06:45] <eXSiR> i use gnome and kde
[06:45] <eXSiR> on gnome desktop there is a setting for dpi
[06:45] <bur[n] er> shitty, there are no settings for dpi that are kde specific, no
[06:46] <eXSiR> yes
[06:46] <Red_Herring> anyone know how to resize ext3?
[06:46] <eXSiR> there is no
[06:46] <bur[n] er> Red_Herring: qtparted
[06:46] <Red_Herring> or the windows extended partition?
[06:46] <Red_Herring> bur[n] er: no
[06:46] <bur[n] er> again, qtparted
[06:46] <bur[n] er> yes
[06:46] <Red_Herring> it cant resize
[06:46] <kkathman> Red_Herring: try QTparted
[06:46] <Red_Herring> well
[06:46] <bur[n] er> it can't
[06:46] <kkathman> er qtparted
[06:46] <Red_Herring> thats tough
[06:46] <bur[n] er> ?
[06:46] <bur[n] er> it can
[06:46] <Red_Herring> not when its my root partition i wanna resize
[06:46] <bur[n] er> u can't resize mounted partitions
[06:46] <bur[n] er> Red_Herring: u can with a livecd :P
[06:46] <Red_Herring> any progs for windows?
[06:47] <Red_Herring> cuz i also need to resize my extended partition
[06:47] <Random1> really stupid question...where do i change my theme?
[06:47] <eXSiR> also ubuntu has gparted on dvd
[06:47] <bur[n] er> you're gonna want a livecd to do it
[06:47] <bur[n] er> Random1: kcontrol
[06:47] <eXSiR> live dvd
[06:47] <Random1> thx
[06:47] <Red_Herring> ok
[06:47] <Red_Herring> will do
[06:47] <Red_Herring> but i really wanna know how to resize the windows extended partition
[06:48] <kkathman> Red_Herring:  you can try parted or gparted also if you dont like the KDE version
[06:48] <bur[n] er> Red_Herring: qtparted
[06:48] <Red_Herring> no
[06:48] <Red_Herring> it cant handle extended partitions
[06:48] <bur[n] er> yes
[06:48] <Red_Herring> i wanna install pcbsd
[06:48] <kkathman> yah bur[n] er I mentioned that earlier
[06:48] <bur[n] er> says who, it can resize extended!
[06:48] <bur[n] er> just not when mounted
[06:48] <bur[n] er> hence, livecd
[06:48] <Red_Herring> no
[06:48] <kkathman> qtparted handles extended partitions just fine
[06:48] <Red_Herring> the thing is
[06:49] <Red_Herring> bsd can only see the extended partition
[06:49] <Red_Herring> and nothing inside it
[06:49] <Red_Herring> so i need to get free space outside that extened partition outside it
[06:49] <Red_Herring> and i dont know how to do it
[06:50] <Random1> wth is a theme file?
[06:50] <owner> lol
[06:50] <eXSiR> :))
[06:50] <Red_Herring> bur[n] er: nice
[06:50] <Red_Herring> but its harder than it seems
[06:50] <owner> well he is a burner
[06:51] <owner> burns people hehe
[06:51] <Red_Herring> bsd can only see extended partitions and primary ones
[06:51] <Red_Herring> not logical ones
[06:51] <Red_Herring> so i need to turn a logical one into a primary one
[06:51] <Red_Herring> and thats my problem
[06:51] <owner> you can only have so many primary partitions
[06:51] <Red_Herring> i have 1
[06:52] <Red_Herring> that too much?
[06:52] <bur[n] er> resize your extended as small as it can be, make a new primary, move stuff from teh extended to the primary, delte teh extended
[06:52] <bur[n] er> u can have 4
[06:52] <Red_Herring> bur[n] er: i cant resize it under linux
[06:52] <eXSiR> yes only 4 primary on a hdd
[06:52] <Red_Herring> its a windows one
[06:53] <bur[n] er> Red_Herring: livecd livecd livecd livecd livecd
[06:53] <owner> i dunno about gparted but partition magic lets you turn logical partitions into primary
[06:53] <eXSiR> :))
[06:54] <Red_Herring> hmm
[06:54] <Red_Herring> will have to "obtain" partition magic
[06:55] <owner> :P
[06:58] <eXSiR> why doesn't kde have a dpi setting, why why why!
[06:58] <Red_Herring> because god hates you
[06:58] <eXSiR> :P
[06:58] <Red_Herring> dont worry, he hates me too
[06:59] <Tainted-Tim1> Do you know of a way to quickly install IE on Linux?
[06:59] <eXSiR> a wiki page, maybe my luck backs
[06:59] <Red_Herring> sure
[06:59] <Red_Herring> hmm
[06:59] <Red_Herring> wine-sidenet
[06:59] <Red_Herring> i had it for a while
[06:59] <Red_Herring> it was POINTLESS
[06:59] <Red_Herring> but i have a picure of it on my site
[06:59] <Tainted-Tim1> I have to.
[07:00] <Tainted-Tim1> Im a webdesigner, and need to test it.
[07:00] <Red_Herring> try wine-sidenet
[07:00] <Tainted-Tim1> Once I get my laptop running ill be good.
[07:00] <owner> IE6 works well under wine
[07:00] <owner> but you need to install dcom98
[07:00] <Red_Herring> but who wants it?
[07:00] <owner> or websites run slow
[07:00] <Tainted-Tim1> Who wants what?
[07:00] <owner> probably just for testing red herring
[07:00] <Red_Herring> i know
[07:00] <Red_Herring> but still
[07:00] <Tainted-Tim1> Yeah, testing.  I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel.
[07:18] <Tainted> ubotu, do you have a girlfriend.
[07:18] <ubotu> Tainted: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[07:18] <Tainted> !lart Red_Herring
[07:18] <Red_Herring> i just got one!
[07:18] <Red_Herring> owe
[07:18] <Red_Herring> that hurt
[07:18] <Red_Herring> now i cant reproduce
[07:18] <Tainted> Yeah you can...
[07:19] <Tainted> Just not with your penis.
[07:19] <Red_Herring> well
[07:19] <Red_Herring> not the "conservative" way
[07:19] <Tainted> :D
[07:19] <Red_Herring> thanks, just as i got a girlfreind
[07:20] <Red_Herring> this is gonna go well
[07:21] <Red_Herring> !lart Tainted
[07:21] <owner> lol
[07:21] <Red_Herring> oooo
[07:21] <Red_Herring> take that
[07:25] <Red_Herring> whats the latest version of partiton magic?
[07:25] <Random1> how do i get the little bar thingie that tells my system stats?
[07:26] <Red_Herring> look under applets
[07:26] <Red_Herring> when you right click the bar
[07:26] <Random1> ummm
[07:26] <Random1> ok
[07:26] <Random1> are u talking about the task bar?
[07:27] <Red_Herring> whatever that bar is called
[07:27] <Random1> oh found it
[07:27] <Random1> crap, do i have to install it first?
[07:28] <Traum> !apt
[07:28] <ubotu> it has been said that apt is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/ or http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto
[07:28] <Red_Herring> Random1: shount have to
[07:29] <Random1> hmmm
[07:29] <Random1> its that bar that tells you CPU usage and such
[07:29] <Red_Herring> now that i think abou tit
[07:29] <Red_Herring> about it*
[07:30] <Red_Herring> (thinking about those too)
[07:30] <Red_Herring> you DO need to install it
[07:30] <Red_Herring> dont know what its called
[07:30] <Random1> ok
[07:30] <Random1> well
[07:30] <Random1> lol
[07:30] <Random1> that's a start
[07:30] <ilba7r> Random1, are you talking about gdesklets or gkrellm
[07:31] <Random1> no idea, hold let me show you a screenshot
[07:31] <Red_Herring> ilba7r: i think hes talking about kde
[07:31] <ilba7r> Random1, through it onto the pastebin
[07:31] <Random1> http://www.kde-look.org/content/pre1/153-1.jpg you see that bar on the left?
[07:31] <Random1> something like that
[07:32] <ilba7r> Red_Herring, this picture is of gkrellm
[07:32] <ilba7r> Random1, it is the one used with fluxbox and damn small linux
[07:32] <Random1> no idea
[07:32] <LiteHedded> has anyone installed nzbget??
[07:33] <ilba7r> Random1, here are some screen shots http://members.dslextreme.com/users/billw/gkrellm/gkrellm.html
[07:33] <Red_Herring> ooooo
[07:33] <Red_Herring> that bar
[07:33] <Red_Herring> ok
[07:33] <Red_Herring> hmm
[07:34] <ilba7r> there are different themes for it different colours
[07:34] <Red_Herring> here
[07:34] <Random1> ohhhhh, so can i install that with Adept?
[07:34] <ilba7r> random1 the packagename is gkrellm
[07:34] <ilba7r> and you can install it it is in the repos
[07:34] <Red_Herring> panel menu --> add to panel --> panel --> kasbar
[07:34] <Random1> ty
[07:34] <Red_Herring> no, not kasbar
[07:35] <Red_Herring> hmm
[07:35] <Red_Herring> maybe it is kasbar
[07:35] <Random1> gkrellm doesnt show up on Adept
[07:35] <ilba7r> here are some themes you can check http://www.muhri.net/
[07:35] <ilba7r> random1 perhaps you do not have the right repos
[07:35] <ilba7r> let me check where it is
[07:35] <Random1> ohhh, what's repos? lol
[07:36] <Red_Herring> !repos
[07:36] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[07:36] <ilba7r> it is in universe
[07:36] <Random1> ohhh, ya
[07:37] <ilba7r> !easysource
[07:37] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[07:37] <ilba7r> that is the easiest way random1
[07:37] <Random1> ok
[07:39] <ilba7r> oh this guy is running it with enlightenment 17 a real eye candy
[07:39] <Red_Herring> yup
[07:39] <ilba7r> http://www.muhri.net/nav.php3?node=screenshots
[07:39] <Red_Herring> i have it installe
[07:39] <Red_Herring> BOY IS IT BUGGY
[07:39] <ilba7r> am waiting for the stable
[07:39] <Red_Herring> i need to use cvs to install it
[07:39] <ilba7r> for i had it installed then maintining it a pain
[07:40] <Red_Herring> ilba7r: you waiting
[07:40] <Red_Herring> prepare to wait a LONG time
[07:40] <Red_Herring> you know how long e16 came out?
[07:40] <Red_Herring> in 2000
[07:40] <ilba7r> no problem am quite happy with ion3 and fluxbox so far
[07:41] <Red_Herring> i like kde
[07:41] <ilba7r> take too many resources
[07:41] <ilba7r> and i love window tabbing
[07:41] <stoned> I can't seem to run kynaptic/synaptic.  it fials with su returned with error, when I launch it from console, I get this, |(synaptic:27729): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:.  apparantly root ran programs can't run on X.  how exactly do I run get synaptic to work
[07:41] <Red_Herring> surprixingly fast on mine
[07:41] <Red_Herring> stoned: did you enable su?
[07:41] <stoned> how?
[07:41] <Red_Herring> run it using sudo
[07:41] <Random1> i still can't find this gkrellm
[07:42] <Red_Herring> you shouldnt enable su, so if you dont know wtf im talking about, thats good
[07:42] <ilba7r> random1 reload first
[07:42] <Random1> i enabled both restricted and universe
[07:42] <ilba7r> reload the sources.list
[07:42] <kkathman> Red_Herring:  yah we typically dont tell people to do that
[07:42] <Red_Herring> i know
[07:42] <Random1> umm
[07:42] <kkathman> its not wise
[07:42] <Random1> how?
[07:42] <stoned> sudo kynaptic doesn't tell me anything, just sits there
[07:42] <stoned> no errors
[07:42] <Red_Herring> i was telling him NOT to run it using su
[07:42] <kkathman> if people are experienced, they already know that...if they arent, they shouldnt be running at root
[07:42] <Red_Herring> kkathman: is it really more secure to run it as sudo?
[07:42] <kkathman> yes
[07:42] <kkathman> much
[07:42] <Red_Herring> elaborate
[07:43] <Red_Herring> ive been told both ways
[07:43] <kkathman> its a very superior model to root
[07:43] <kkathman> you have much more selective control over sudo than root
[07:43] <stoned> well how superior is it really, cuz it doesn't work
[07:43] <Red_Herring> well... i have been told it still has many of the shortcomings su has
[07:43] <ilba7r> random1 for sure there is source reload button. if you can not find it close adept and run this in a terminal. sudo apt-get update
[07:43] <Random1> oh, i got iy
[07:43] <kkathman> yes it does stoned
[07:43] <Random1> it*
[07:43] <kkathman> it works great
[07:43] <stoned> kkathman: i know
[07:43] <stoned> so help me get it wokrin gman
[07:44] <stoned> i can't run synaptic/kynaptic because of this
[07:44] <kkathman> you dont have sudo working?
[07:44] <stoned> apparantly not
[07:44] <kkathman> what happens when you try to run something with sudo?
[07:45] <stoned> nothing
[07:45] <stoned> it takes the command, but nothing happens
[07:45] <ilba7r> stoned do you have administrative privalages
[07:45] <ilba7r> are you in the sudoers file?
[07:45] <stoned> ilba7r: applications ran as root error out with can't open display
[07:45] <stoned> ilba7r: i don't know
[07:46] <Random1> ok, so i installed gkrellm, but how do i get it up?
[07:46] <stoned> first thing I did after i installed ubuntu was sudo su passwd
[07:46] <ilba7r> when sudo do not do anything this mean your account is not in the sudo users
[07:46] <stoned> and set a pass on root
[07:46] <owner> stoned thats X security
[07:46] <kkathman> well then anything you do with sudo is moot then
[07:46] <owner> you have to type xhost +
[07:46] <kkathman> stoned:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo?action=show&redirect=UsingSudo
[07:46] <owner> and then you can run apps from root
[07:46] <owner> su account
[07:47] <stoned> here it goes
[07:47] <stoned> owner: thanks dude man homie bro
[07:47] <owner> np
[07:47] <stoned> sudo was crashing cuz of that too
[07:47] <owner> shouldnt do..
[07:47] <stoned> hmm apparantly not
[07:48] <stoned> now kynaptic works but synaptic don't
[07:48] <stoned> gaaaRHQQ!
[07:48] <stoned> how does one add an account to the sudoers list
[07:48] <owner> use visudo
[07:50] <stoned> there it goes
[07:50] <stoned> man i'll smoke a bowl to your good health
[07:50] <stoned> sudo is kickin rectums
[07:50] <owner> lol
[07:50] <owner> i have this line in my sudoers file
[07:50] <owner> %admin	ALL=(ALL) ALL
[07:51] <owner> thats how ubuntu sets up sudoers
[07:51] <stoned> yeh
[07:51] <stoned> i just copied the one for root, and subsituted for username
[07:51] <stoned> i don't like kynaptic
[07:52] <stoned> now i need to install prawn viewing gear
[07:52] <stoned> oh hey, I can't find kplayer anywhere in kubuntu
[07:53] <owner> its not installed
[07:53] <stoned> mplayer/gmplayer don't have the sdl output lib.  I use sdl for videos
[07:53] <stoned> what if i used marillat's kplayer package on kubuntu
[07:53] <owner> yes
[07:53] <owner> thats a good idea
[07:53] <owner> because its not in the official repos
[07:54] <stoned> i just hope there isn't any dep probs
[07:54] <owner> true
[07:54] <owner> marillat is for debian
[07:54] <owner> unstable
[07:55] <stoned> and etch/sarge as well
[07:55] <LiteHedded> nzbget users here?
[07:55] <stoned> lets hope one of them works
[07:55] <owner> lol
[07:55] <stoned> i really hate install dev packages to compile one app
[07:55] <owner> yes
[07:55] <owner> i had to compile kmplayer last time i wanted it
[07:56] <stoned> i need another 19" monitor
[07:58] <ilba7r> ok an old question anyone know of a pdf editor for linux
[07:58] <EightiesK> how can i get to my linux files in windows?
[07:58] <ilba7r> editor not form filling tool
[07:58] <ilba7r> EightiesK, ext2fs
[07:58] <ilba7r> !ext2fs
[07:58] <ubotu> ilba7r: Do they come in packets of five?
[07:59] <EightiesK> lpol
[07:59] <ilba7r> http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/ext2.html
[08:03] <LiteHedded> does anyone use NZBGET?
[08:03] <LiteHedded> I can't figure out the cfg file
[08:04] <ilba7r> LiteHedded, am afraid your only way so far is to google it or ask in ubuntu channel
[08:04] <LiteHedded> yea I've tried
[08:05] <ilba7r> LiteHedded, it would be easier if you just cast your specific question
[08:06] <LiteHedded> ok in the nzbget.cfg file
[08:06] <LiteHedded> for server IP I don't know what to put
[08:06] <EightiesK> ilba7r, it won't load.
[08:06] <LiteHedded> there's another option that asks for my news server URL
[08:06] <ilba7r> EightiesK, what will not load?
[08:07] <ilba7r> LiteHedded, in ubuntu you may have more chance of an answer :). just ask your question there and do not say who uses a package
[08:07] <LiteHedded> if no one uses it they won't be able to help
[08:08] <LiteHedded> my question is complicated
[08:08] <ilba7r> LiteHedded, they will answer most of the time direct questions not vague ones. try it you will loose nothing
[08:13] <stoned> how do i get the navigation sidepanel in konq.  it seems to have disappeared
[08:13] <GameOver69> hey guys where can i download extensions for konquerer
[08:17] <stoned> hello
[08:18] <stoned> i don't have the save view profile/loda view profile etc in konqueror menu
[08:18] <stoned> what happened
[08:18] <stoned> i hope i don't have to regret installing ubuntu over debian
[08:18] <stoned> :(
[08:25] <unix_infidel> anyone know where i can find the matrix code animation somewhere WITHOUT it being in screensaver form?
[08:28] <unix_infidel> ANYONE?!?
[08:39] <Traumi> !root
[08:39] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[08:42] <Tm_T> ubotu: krhm, yelling doesn't help
[08:42] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, Tm_T
[08:42] <Tm_T> whops
[08:42] <Tm_T> unix_infidel: I mean
[08:42] <Tm_T> ubotu: how are you?
[08:42] <ubotu> shiny!, Tm_T
[08:42] <Tm_T> :)
[09:14] <Himel> Is there a difference in the drivers included in Kubuntu and Ubuntu? Ubuntu is working fine with the wifi adaptors I'm using (Netgear W311v2), but Kubuntu doesn't pick up the wireless access point, and states that my network probably isn't using DHCP, even though it is.
[09:14] <hussam> My upgrade to dapper worked but I after I reboot, it says: Alert! /dev/hdb2 does not exist Dropping to shell. Anyway I can fix this?
[09:15] <eXSiR> kubuntu doesnt detect the network correctly, u should set it urself
[09:17] <kkathman> eXSiR: actually Kubuntu sets it just fine if you are connected to the net when installing...I've not had a problem with that at all
[09:18] <eXSiR> i am using an ethernet card and kubuntu didnt detect my connection
[09:18] <eXSiR> i set it after
[09:23] <Captainbraille> Whats a good engine to play Mp3s with for amaroK? Can you set up RealPlayer10 for that?
[09:25] <eXSiR> u can try xine or gstreamer engines with alsasink
[09:26] <Captainbraille> eXSiR: What is alasink?
[09:26] <kkathman> eXSiR: my install was smooth as silk, and it never had a problem...with 3 machines, 3 different cards, and 2 of those are older machines too :)
[09:26] <eXSiR> i mean u can set this engines for alsa output
[09:26] <Captainbraille> ohhh, okay =) thanks lemme try that
[09:27] <eXSiR> i am using gstream engine with alsa
[09:27] <eXSiR> but i tried xine and it worked too
[09:28] <Captainbraille> eXSiR: I'm looking in Adept for alsa, which one should I get?
[09:28] <Tainted> Fuck yeah.
[09:28] <eXSiR> for amarok?
[09:29] <Tainted> Got IE working, not that I like IE, but I need it.
[09:29] <Tainted> I'm a webdesigner.
[09:29] <Captainbraille> Yeah, amarok
[09:29] <Tainted> So, I have to test for Windows IE mainyl
[09:29] <Tainted> mainly*
[09:29] <eXSiR> try amarok-engines
[09:30] <eXSiR> it will install amarok-xine, amarok-gstreamer and amarok-arts
[09:30] <Captainbraille> Will alsa also let me use the "Eq?"
[09:32] <eXSiR> i am using alsa on my ubuntu and kubuntu and there is no problem
[09:33] <aeon17x> Some of the alsa problems come from playing restricted formats like MP3s.
[09:33] <fatejudger> is anyone able to use checkinstall in Dapper?
[09:33] <fatejudger> I think the package is broken
[09:33] <eXSiR> u can install akode-mpeg package for amarok to listen mp3s
[09:34] <fatejudger> or there's some bug
[09:34] <fatejudger> in checkinstall itself
[09:34] <Captainbraille> Sound System- GStreamer Engine / Output Plugin: alsasink  -- It's not working with MP3s for me
[09:34] <eXSiR> did u install akode-mpeg package
[09:35] <eXSiR> it is neccessary to listen mp3s
[09:36] <Captainbraille> You my friend are a genius
[09:36] <eXSiR> after install this package try 'killall artsd' then try again
[09:38] <Captainbraille> I just type 'killall artsd' in the konsole?
[09:38] <Tainted> http://infiniti-hax.com/images/ss.png
[09:38] <Tainted> Help me fix that.
[09:38] <eXSiR> without '
[09:39] <Tainted> Look at the clock on the bottom right.
[09:39] <Tainted> Also may I suggest downloading this: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29153 ?
[09:40] <Tainted> It's an awesome little app.
[09:42] <Tainted> Anyone have an ideas whats wrong with my clock?
[09:45] <Captainbraille> eXSiR: I still can't get it to work =\
[09:47] <eXSiR> i dont know why but u can try edit /etc/libao.conf as default_driver=alsa
[09:47] <eXSiR> maybe this works
[09:47] <Tainted> eXSiR: Will you help me?
[09:48] <Captainbraille> I don't know, but thank you for the help eXSiR =)
[09:48] <eXSiR> Tainted: i am not helper, just a user and dont know why it happened to u
[09:48] <Tainted> Ah, ok.
[09:48] <Captainbraille> Whats wrong with your clock Tainted?
[09:48] <Tainted> I don't know...
[09:49] <Tainted> http://infiniti-hax.com/images/ss.png
[09:49] <Captainbraille> Is something wrong with the time or timezone?
[09:49] <Tainted> No, the background.
[09:49] <eXSiR> Captainbraille: may /etc/libao.conf is alsa and i am using amarok gstreamer engine with alsasink, i installed akode-mpeg
[09:49] <eXSiR> this is just what i did and worked for me
[09:50] <fatejudger> !win32codecs
[09:50] <ubotu> I heard win32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[09:51] <Captainbraille> That is weird Tainted
[09:53] <fatejudger> !w32codecs
[09:53] <ubotu> somebody said w32codecs was a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[09:54] <Captainbraille> I'm trying that out =)
[09:55] <Tainted> !lart fatejudger
[09:55] <Tainted> !lart Captainbraille
[09:56] <Tainted> Lol
[09:56] <Captainbraille> Noooooooo!  Is that right Tainted?
[09:59] <kkathman> Kopete is an IM proggie
[09:59] <kkathman> IRC - like xchat, Konversation, or Kvirc
[09:59] <kkathman> or irssi at CLI
[10:00] <Tainted> Ah ok.
[10:00] <Tainted> I'm using gAIM and X-Chat.
[10:16] <blekos> hello ppl
[10:21] <blekos> is there a theme manager for kde?
[10:23] <Hobbsee> blekos: it's in system settings, appearance
[10:23] <blekos> i do not meen only for icons
[10:23] <Hobbsee> colours tab
[10:24] <blekos> o i c
[10:25] <blekos> and can i istall there themes from kde-look?
[10:25] <Hobbsee> yes
[10:26] <weedar> How do I change the file association in KDE? (specifically for text/html)
[10:26] <Tainted> Hey!
[10:32] <_andrea> hello. how can i apply a new theme i downloaded?
[10:32] <blekos> can anyone tell how i can have an icon of the mounted drive on my desktop?
[10:33] <_andrea> blekos
[10:34] <_andrea> right click on desktop
[10:34] <_andrea> then go on configure desktop
[10:34] <_andrea> choose the Behaviour tab
[10:34] <_andrea> then go on Device Icons
[10:34] <_andrea> and tick "Mounted Hard Disk Volume"
[10:34] <Hobbsee> _andrea: in system settings, appearances, colours
[10:36] <_andrea> Hobbsee: my package is a tar.gz format file
[10:36] <_andrea> and when i extracted it...i get lots of folders
[10:37] <Hobbsee> you dont usually have to extract them...
[10:37] <Hobbsee> i think
[10:37] <blekos> it is alreaydy ticked...
[10:37] <Hobbsee> you got it from kde-look.org?
[10:37] <Hobbsee> instructions are there for it
[10:38] <_andrea> yes
[10:40] <_andrea> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=25668
[10:40] <_andrea> where are the instructions?
[10:41] <_andrea> have to go for now
[10:41] <_andrea> 10q
[10:41] <_andrea> byeee
[10:45] <Tainted> Is anyone here fluent with Javascript?
[10:56] <Tainted> hey!
[10:56] <Tainted> Is anyone here good with Javascript?
[10:57] <Tainted> !javascript
[10:57] <ubotu> Tainted: Syntax error in line 1
[10:57] <Tainted> !js
[10:57] <ubotu> Tainted: I give up, what is it?
[10:57] <Tainted> !c
[10:58] <ubotu> Tainted: Do they come in packets of five?
[10:58] <Tainted> !you
[10:58] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel.
[10:58] <Tainted> !me
[10:58] <ubotu> Tainted: Syntax error in line 1
[10:58] <Tainted> !crack
[10:58] <ubotu> The primary cause of people asking me the wrong things.
[10:58] <Tainted> !pot
[10:58] <ubotu> Not a clue, Tainted
[10:59] <Tainted> !poop
[10:59] <ubotu> Tainted: I haven't a clue
[10:59] <Tainted> !sex
[10:59] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what you're talking about, Tainted
[10:59] <Tainted> !tainted
[10:59] <ubotu> Tainted: What?
[10:59] <Tainted> !lart tainted
[10:59] <laga> !yo momma
[10:59] <ubotu> laga: Syntax error in line 1
[10:59] <laga> hehe
[10:59] <Tainted> !lart laga
[10:59] <Tainted> !lart laga
[10:59] <laga> :/
[10:59] <Tainted> !lart laga
[11:00] <Tainted> ARe you good with Javascript?
[11:00] <laga> ope
[11:00] <laga> nope*
[11:00] <Tainted> Oh.
[11:18] <mindfocus> hello
[11:19] <Hobbsee_away> hi
[11:19] <mindfocus> I just installed Kubuntu, very nice indeed.
[11:30] <weedar> During boot, when I see "configuring interfaces", what script is run? It hangs so I need to alter it
[11:36] <Tainted> Is anyone here good with Javascript?
[12:26] <blekos> is it possible to c in kopete simultaenously contacts from yahoo &msn etc?
[12:28] <Hobbsee> blekos: yes, just add all the accounts, and sign in with them
[12:29] <blekos> ok thanks
[12:30] <blekos> do u hava any idea why i cant c my mounted drive on the desktop?
[12:30] <blekos> i've checked the button from the menu... but no luck
[12:40] <Mythril> I don't know what is going on, I recently installed Kubuntu and it works great for the first hour and a half, then suddenly drive access picks up, and I can't do anything more, even trying to open a console can take upwards of an hour, what is going on?
[12:49] <knubbe> is there a GSynaptics but for KDE?
[12:50] <Hobbsee> ksynaptics
[12:51] <Tm_T> too simple
[12:57] <knubbe> Hobbsee: hah, thank you  :-)
[12:57] <knubbe> Tm_T: indeed
[12:57] <Hobbsee> knubbe: no problem
[01:02] <Bobikus> is it a good thing to upgrade to kde 3.5 or better wait and use 3.4.3? are there any problems whick may occur?
[01:04] <Tm_T> Bobikus: I would say "upgrade!" but I'm using dapper so don't listen my opinion ;(
[01:09] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: did you upgrade to 3.5.1 testing?
[01:10] <knubbe> Bobikus: 3.5 isnt unstable
[01:11] <_david> hy
[01:16] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: sure
[01:16] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: how is it?
[01:16] <Tm_T> fine here
[01:16] <Tm_T> I'm now wondering celestia and why it's not loading map textures
[01:17] <muzzle> It seems wine can't open my setup.exe correct. Do I need some kinky arguments for wine?
[01:18] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: hmmm...might try it then
[01:20] <Bobikus> ok, thanks for information
[01:21] <JohnFlux> mmm, information
[01:22] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: :)
[01:23] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:24] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: not as much I do ;)
[01:24] <Hobbsee> true
[01:26] <muzzle> How do I code a GUI app for Kubuntu? What lib. do I need etc? I've done alot of coding with the win32 api and c++.
[01:26] <muzzle> but I am totally new with linux
[01:26] <Blejdfist> QT
[01:27] <Blejdfist> muzzle: you can find documentation and tutorials at http://doc.trolltech.com/
[01:28] <muzzle> and thanks :D
[01:28] <Blejdfist> np
[01:28] <Blejdfist> good luck
[01:29] <muzzle> so when I make some win32 app. it runs on all windows versions. How is it with linux?
[01:29] <Blejdfist> as long as there is QT installed
[01:29] <muzzle> If I make something for Kubuntu it doesn't nes. run on other linux systems?
[01:29] <Blejdfist> it will run on any Linux system that have the libraries you use
[01:30] <muzzle> ok cool
[01:30] <muzzle> QT is the standard lib?
[01:30] <Blejdfist> and if they don't have it.. they can install it
[01:30] <muzzle> for GUI coding?
[01:30] <Blejdfist> no there are many others
[01:30] <muzzle> alrighty
[01:30] <muzzle> but you like QT I guess, hehe
[01:30] <Blejdfist> but it's one of the most used and it's well documented
[01:30] <Blejdfist> i'm quite new to QT actually.. i have been using GTK
[01:30] <muzzle> That's important. The documentation.
[01:31] <muzzle> Is it hard? QT?
[01:31] <Blejdfist> no not really
[01:31] <muzzle> Coding c++ with the win32 api is SO easy.
[01:31] <Blejdfist> well if you are used to creating windows etc in Win32 API then QT is easier :)
[01:32] <muzzle> Cool. That's what I wanted to hear ;)
[01:32] <Blejdfist> go with kdevelop and you will have a good IDE for developing
[01:33] <Blejdfist> only one thing i don't like with QT so far.. and that's the signaling system
[01:33] <muzzle> alright
[01:33] <Blejdfist> but that's just a matter of taste i guess
[01:34] <muzzle> It seems it's all C++ in that URL you gave me. They don't document C coding?
[01:34] <Blejdfist> QT is a C++-library
[01:34] <muzzle> hehe ofcourse
[01:34] <muzzle> hmm
[01:35] <muzzle> so what would you recomend for C?
[01:35] <muzzle> I normally use C++, but with school we have to use C.
[01:35] <Blejdfist> GTK is C but it also has C++-wrappers (gtkmm)
[01:35] <muzzle> ok
[01:36] <muzzle> I'll just download a c++ compiler and try the tutorial. It's so new for me. I'm like a kid who just got candy ;)
[01:36] <Blejdfist> apt-get install build-essential
[01:36] <Blejdfist> and you will get the compiler tools
[01:36] <muzzle> gpp ?
[01:36] <Blejdfist> gcc
[01:37] <Blejdfist> GNU Compiler Collection
[01:37] <muzzle> gcc is only for c code?
[01:37] <muzzle> That's what I thought
[01:37] <Blejdfist> C/C++ compilers
[01:37] <muzzle> oh
[01:37] <Blejdfist> it contains g++ that is for C++
[01:37] <muzzle> what is gpp then? hehe
[01:37] <Blejdfist> no idea where you got that from :)
[01:38] <Blejdfist> gpp - a general-purpose preprocessor with customizable syntax
[01:38] <knubbe> is there a gui (or tutorial somewhere) to set up TV-out on other video cards than nvidia? (i have intel media accellerator i915)
[01:38] <muzzle> Blejdfist: hehe okay. Don't know either.
[01:38] <Blejdfist> muzzle: For GTK i can recommend using glade to create the GUI
[01:39] <muzzle> okay
[01:39] <Blejdfist> you can use the glade-lib for GTK to load the glade XML file and it can autoconnect buttons to you functions etc
[01:39] <Blejdfist> it can even generate C-code for you to get you up and running :)
[01:41] <muzzle> hehe ok
[01:44] <muzzle> I can't find anywhere to download the files, hehe
[01:45] <muzzle> I want to isntall QT
[01:45] <muzzle> install*
[01:48] <Blejdfist> it's in apt
[01:48] <Blejdfist> use the package manager and install what you need
[01:48] <muzzle> so what do I write? When I did the search for it I got MANY lines, hehe
[01:49] <Blejdfist> unline windows you shouldn't download stuff and install :)
[01:49] <muzzle> not sure what I need. I'll try and find some tutorial on how to get started, hehe
[01:49] <Blejdfist> unlike*
[01:49] <muzzle> I do know that. That's kinda all I know about Linux so far. I've used apt-get alot :D
[01:49] <Blejdfist> qt3-dev-tools perhaps
[01:49] <muzzle> It's heaven. I can just download everything I want. It's cool.
[01:50] <Blejdfist> for qt ofcourse
[01:50] <muzzle> I also now the line:
[01:50] <Blejdfist> for gtk libgtk2.0-dev
[01:50] <muzzle> gcc hello.c -o hello ;) hehe
[01:50] <muzzle> I want qt for now
[01:50] <muzzle> then the c lib. when I start school again next week.
[01:51] <muzzle> qt3-dev-tools worked I think
[01:51] <muzzle> it's downloading something, hehe
[01:51] <Blejdfist> install build-essential and qt3-dev-tools then :)
[01:51] <Blejdfist> and kdevelop to make it easier (it will take care of makefiles etc)
[01:51] <muzzle> ok
[01:52] <muzzle> and then after that, how do I compile?
[01:52] <muzzle> juts gcc again?
[01:52] <Blejdfist> in kdevelop you use the Build-menu
[01:52] <muzzle> oh ok
[01:52] <Blejdfist> first "Run automake & friends" :)
[01:52] <muzzle> it's an IDE
[01:52] <muzzle> I get it know
[01:52] <Blejdfist> then build project
[01:52] <Blejdfist> :)
[01:52] <muzzle> :D
[01:53] <Blejdfist> it's kinda tricky to make Makefiles by yourself for QT
[01:53] <muzzle> I kinda liked the command line thing though :D
[01:53] <muzzle> oh ok
[01:53] <Blejdfist> so i recommend you go with an IDE in the beginning
[01:53] <muzzle> yes
[01:53] <muzzle> I would have to use QMAKE to make else?
[01:53] <muzzle> I think I saw that somewhere
[01:53] <Blejdfist> dunno.. kinda new to QT as i said earlier :)
[01:53] <muzzle> yea ok
[01:53] <Blejdfist> but after kdevelop have done the makefiles you can use the commandline
[01:54] <Blejdfist> just type "make"
[01:54] <muzzle> ehm ok
[01:54] <Blejdfist> but you must add new files etc from the IDE
[01:54] <muzzle> yes yes
[01:54] <Blejdfist> and run automake & friends again to generate new makefiles
[01:58] <muzzle> I can't find the kdevelop
[02:01] <Blejdfist> what do you mean?
[02:02] <muzzle> Isn't it something I have to download also?
[02:02] <muzzle> I have t3-dev-tools now
[02:02] <muzzle> but I need the kdevelop
[02:02] <Blejdfist> it's in apt :)
[02:03] <muzzle> yes
[02:03] <muzzle> and I can't find it
[02:03] <muzzle> I'll try again
[02:03] <Blejdfist> ah it's in universe
[02:03] <Blejdfist> have you added the universe repository?
[02:03] <C-O-L-T> does exist any other skin for open office
[02:03] <C-O-L-T> ?
[02:03] <muzzle> I have that enabled
[02:03] <muzzle> yes
[02:03] <Blejdfist> have you run apt-get update after you enabled it?
[02:04] <muzzle> ok found it
[02:04] <muzzle> there are more than just one
[02:04] <muzzle> kdevelop3 ?
[02:04] <Blejdfist> yup
[02:04] <Blejdfist> it will depend on the others that it needs
[02:04] <muzzle> what abour the data, dev and doc?
[02:05] <Blejdfist> dev is for creating plugins for kdevelop i think
[02:05] <muzzle> ok
[02:05] <Blejdfist> and doc is the documentation
[02:05] <muzzle> yea
[02:06] <muzzle> got it now I think
[02:06] <muzzle> How do I run it? hehe
[02:06] <Blejdfist> it's in the K-menu under development
[02:06] <Blejdfist> or you could just type kdevelop3 in a terminal :)
[02:07] <muzzle> I didn't install it before, weird
[02:07] <muzzle> it did download something
[02:07] <muzzle> but when I do sudo apt-get install kdevelop3 it's downloading
[02:07] <muzzle> It's weird it didn't from adept
[02:07] <muzzle> but anyways, I'm getting it now
[02:07] <muzzle> so programs installed doesn't make shortcuts in kubuntu like programs in windows?
[02:08] <Blejdfist> just like in Windows it depends on the program
[02:09] <Blejdfist> i never use the menu anyway :)
[02:09] <Blejdfist> it's faster to use katapult or a terminal
[02:09] <muzzle> and katapult is?
[02:09] <muzzle> :
[02:09] <muzzle> :)
[02:09] <Blejdfist> alt+space
[02:09] <Blejdfist> and then you type what  you want to start :)
[02:10] <muzzle> cool
[02:10] <muzzle> there is alt+F2 also
[02:11] <Blejdfist> yep.. to run any command yes
[02:11] <Blejdfist> but katapult (as far as i know) takes stuff from the K-menu. And by the name they have there
[02:11] <muzzle> Thanks for the help. I have to leave for a while. I can't wait to try QT ;)
[02:11] <muzzle> ok
[02:11] <Blejdfist> np :)
[02:25] <Massacration> hi everyone
[02:25] <Hobbsee> hi
[02:25] <Massacration> can anybody help me with the cups?
[02:26] <Massacration> it keeps prompting me for a adm password
[02:26] <Massacration> I've just installed it
[02:26] <Massacration> and I haven't defined any psw before
[02:27] <Massacration> which password should I use?
[02:27] <Massacration> ?
[02:29] <Massacration> can anybody help me?
[02:31] <howcomes> I'm trying to remove xorg-driver-fglrx and its not letting me
[02:31] <howcomes> can anyone help? its complaining about some 'divesion libGL.so.1.2
[02:36] <slow-motion> hallo
[02:37] <howcomes> hiya
[02:59] <howcomes> Can anyone help me with this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=689874&postcount=284
[03:00] <Ace2005> Hi
[03:01] <Ace2005> Can anyone help me set up internet connection sharing between 2 computer, connected via a crossover cable?
[03:03] <praotec> Hallo!!
[03:08] <Tainted-Time> How do I install Fluxbox on Kubuntu?
[03:10] <Tainted-Time> Anyone?
[03:13] <`Nomad> sudo apt-get install fluxbox  ?
[03:14] <Tainted-Time> ok its installed.
[03:14] <Tainted-Time> How do I get it running?
[03:15] <`Nomad> It's a different windows manager?
[03:15] <`Nomad> man fluxbox might be a start
[03:16] <`Nomad> You may want to read this: http://www.3dbuzz.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=123157
[03:16] <`Nomad> as to what to expect running it for the first time..  I'm just googling all of this by the way, I know shit!
[03:17] <`Nomad> read the FAQ on Kubuntu, it's probably all there
[03:18] <`Nomad> and sometimes the bot can help..
[03:18] <`Nomad> !fluxbox
[03:18] <ubotu> somebody said fluxbox was a lightweight window manager.  Installation instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fluxbox.  More information at http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net
[03:18] <`Nomad> there you go..
[03:18] <`Nomad> Good day, I'm off to breakfast
[03:25] <praotec> Hi!! I have any question about compilation scripts! When I launch ./configure in different source I obtain error massage. *** configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH .... (sorry my bad english ;) Can anyone help me?
[03:33] <N17R0> Hi I just installed Ubuntu, and did a update with synaptic, but after I reboot, I only see a black screen and in the upper left corner I see this: GRUB_
[03:34] <N17R0> and nothing happens, how come?
[03:38] <dark_suic> praotec, it may be that you need a C compiler for it.. u have it??? and u sure u need to configure it and it isn't in apt?
[03:39] <howcomes> I really need to get this fixed! http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=689874&postcount=284 - attempting to apt-get remove outside of KDE didnt work either.
[03:42] <eidolon> hi can someone share their sources.list file for working with Dapper?  I'm trying us.archive.ubuntu.org dapper/main, and i'm getting 404 errors.
[03:42] <eidolon> have been for almost a week :(
[03:42] <praotec> I have any compiller installed but I dont know, which of "gcc, gcc4.0 ... " is right! I have default installed gcc4.0..
[03:44] <praotec> I try install gcc instead version4.0 but it dont solve it..
[03:45] <eidolon> gcc --version?
[03:48] <praotec> gcc --version:   gcc (GCC) 4.0.2 20050808 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.0.1-4ubuntu9)
[03:53] <praotec> I have installed gcc AND gcc4.0 and problem is now: ** checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... no
[03:55] <praotec> and then: checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[03:58] <praotec> I think the problem is in setting of compiler, but I have not how do it.. :((
[04:05] <LjL> praotec: try "sudo aptitude install build-essentials" just to be user
[04:05] <LjL> user=sure
[04:05] <praotec> Ok...
[04:06] <LjL> sorry that's "build-essential"
[04:10] <praotec> I have done it but problem is same like before :(
[04:10] <praotec> C compiler cannot create executable
[04:13] <LjL> what happens when you just type "gcc"?
[04:14] <praotec> gcc: no input files
[04:15] <LjL> create a "test.c" file, and type the following into it:
[04:15] <LjL> #include <stdio.h>
[04:15] <LjL> int main(void) {
[04:15] <LjL>   printf("This is a test.\n");
[04:15] <LjL> }
[04:15] <LjL> and then type "gcc -o testprogram test.c"
[04:17] <Blejdfist> you probably don't have a compiler installed
[04:17] <Blejdfist> apt-get install build-essential
[04:18] <LjL> Blejdfist: that's what i just told him ;)
[04:19] <praotec> test.c:1:18: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory
[04:19] <Blejdfist> ok then :)
[04:19] <LjL> uhm
[04:19] <eidolon>  build-essentials should install the headers.
[04:20] <LjL> indeed it should
[04:20] <LjL> praotec: try "apt-cache policy build-essential"
[04:20] <LjL> what does it say under "installed:"?
[04:20] <test> where do I need to install video codecs so that kaffeine will see them ?
[04:20] <tucoz> Hi, I wonder how I install flash-player for konqueror
[04:20] <trispace> test: /usr/lib/win32
[04:21] <trispace> test: if you're using xine
[04:21] <trispace> tucoz: just install it and add the directory to the plugin path (if necessary)
[04:21] <test> trispace: I try using kaffeine
[04:22] <praotec> hm.. This is strange.. It say: "Installed: NONE"
[04:22] <test> trispace: I tried /usr/lib/win32 and it doesnt work
[04:22] <trispace> test: yeah, but kaffeine uses (or can use) the xine library to play videos
[04:22] <test> trispace: ah ok
[04:22] <tucoz> trispace: apt-get or installing it to a local dir with macromedias flash-player?
[04:22] <test> trispace: it uses gstreamer, let me install xine
[04:23] <trispace> tucoz: i've installed it with macromedias installer
[04:23] <trispace> test: i had no luck with gstreamer so i switched to the xine libs - but it depends on what you want to do
[04:24] <tucoz> trispace: ok, thanks. I was curious, because the package flashplugin-nonfree in the reps states it is usefull for mozilla browser variants
[04:24] <trispace> tucoz: it doesn't matter
[04:24] <tucoz> not mentioning konqueror.
[04:24] <tucoz> ok, thanks
[04:25] <trispace> tucoz: as far as i know konqueror is able to use any mozilla-plugin
[04:25] <tucoz> trispace: ok good. It's just that some (very few) flash-based pages freezes my firefox. I thought I try it with konqueror as well.
[04:26] <trispace> tucoz: hmm, ok. good luck
[04:29] <tucoz> Nah, that page is not working at all. Probably bad flash-programming. Anyway, thanks for the help.
[04:29] <trispace> tucoz: you're welcome
[04:37] <praotec> LjL: SUPER! The problem is out.. I installed build-essential from apt Package Manager and now it function.. I am gawk.. Thank you very very much :))
[04:40] <_malte> the kdevelop packages for kubuntu, from kdevelop.org, depend on kdelibs4c2 (>= 4:3.4.3-1) which doesn't exist in breezy. does anyone know how to get this / circumvent the problem?
[04:42] <_malte> oops
[04:42] <_malte> anyway... do i need to compile kdevelop myself or something like that?
[04:43] <visik7> kdevelop.org proviede debs for ubuntu or debian ?
[04:43] <_malte> yeah
[04:43] <dark_suic> kdevelop packages are on the repos
[04:43] <visik7> it's a question that you cannot replay with a "yeah"
[04:43] <_malte> visik7: i'm sorry, then i don't understand your question.. what do you mean?
[04:43] <dark_suic> the package is named kdevelop3
[04:43] <dark_suic> you just can install directly from the repositories
[04:44] <_malte> dark_suic: yes, but it's 3.2.3 i think
[04:44] <_malte> i'd like 3.3
[04:44] <visik7> why ?
[04:44] <visik7> what's the big difference from 3.2 to 3.3 ?
[04:44] <trispace> _malte: well, then you probably need to compile it for yourself, or try google to find some prebuild debs
[04:44] <_malte> visik7: at least some bug fixes
[04:45] <_malte> and more support for qt4 i think
[04:45] <_malte> trispace: ok, thanks
[04:45] <dark_suic> $ apt-cache show kdevelop3 | grep Version
[04:45] <dark_suic> Version: 4:3.3.1-0ubuntu0breezy1
[04:45] <dark_suic> malte
[04:45] <dark_suic> that's it
[04:45] <dark_suic> 3.3.1 in the repos :P
[04:46] <_malte> uhm
[04:46] <dark_suic> at least in mine :P
[04:46] <_malte> not here. what sources are you using?
[04:46] <dark_suic> i have slightly different repos :P
[04:46] <_malte> and i don't think 3.3.1 is stable :)
[04:47] <dark_suic> well, i'm not in dapper, but you can see it's breezy ;)
[04:47] <visik7> I've 3.3 in my repo
[04:47] <dark_suic> and i don't have any kdevelop specially made repo
[04:47] <visik7> dark_suic: 3.3.1 ? I've 3.3.0 can you do an apt-cache policy kdevelop3 ?
[04:47] <_malte> visik7: but can you install 3.3.0?
[04:48] <visik7> yes
[04:48] <_malte> from which rep is it?
[04:48] <visik7> it's in kde3.5 repo
[04:48] <_malte> oh
[04:48] <trispace> _malte: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main
[04:48] <dark_suic> still 331
[04:48] <dark_suic> :P
[04:48] <dark_suic> well
[04:48] <_malte> thanks trispace
[04:48] <dark_suic> i have the kde351 repositorie
[04:48] <dark_suic> that may be it :P
[04:48] <visik7> dark_suic: 3.5.1 ?
[04:48] <dark_suic> if you add a 1 after kde35 you'll get 3.5.1 ;)
[04:48] <visik7> give to me :)
[04:49] <dark_suic> yeah
[04:49] <trispace> _malte: with this source you get 3.3.0
[04:49] <visik7> rulez
[04:49] <dark_suic> you can go to http://kubuntu.org/packages
[04:49] <dark_suic> and see that the folder is there
[04:49] <dark_suic> not released officialy though, so probably some things will be missing
[04:49] <dark_suic> but i have no problem for the moment
[04:49] <_malte> is 3.5 usabel?
[04:49] <_malte> usable*
[04:49] <trispace> _malte: yeah, it is
[04:49] <dark_suic> 3.5 is for sure
[04:50] <_malte> fairly stable? :)
[04:50] <trispace> _malte: i don't have any problems with it
[04:50] <_malte> what's new in 3.5 then?
[04:50] <dark_suic> lots of things
[04:51] <trispace> _malte: maybe you should read the changelog
[04:51] <dark_suic> look into kde.org or kubuntu.org to see the changelog
[04:51] <_malte> yeah, i'm reading it right now
[04:51] <dark_suic> but _malte i assure you that kde3.5 is quite FASTER than 3.4.3
[04:51] <dark_suic> don't ask me why
[04:51] <dark_suic> but it runs better than 3.4.3
[04:52] <_malte> cool
[04:52] <_malte> but i don't really feel like living on the edge right now :)
[04:52] <dark_suic> well, i've had no problems with kde3.5
[04:52] <dark_suic> nor with 3.5.1
[04:53] <tecs> anyone knows how to make windows as my first selection in the grub menui?
[04:53] <trispace> tecs: just drop it as first entry
[04:53] <dark_suic> tecs, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst as superuser with your favourite editor
[04:53] <dark_suic> (kdesu kwrite for example)
[04:53] <trispace> tecs: or adjust the "default" entry
[04:54] <dark_suic> and then you can either put the entire windows block as first selection
[04:54] <dark_suic> or change the default entry to the number the windows entry is (remember that it starts in 0, not 1)
[04:56] <_malte> ok, i'll do a dist-upgrade with 3.5 now then
[04:56] <_malte> has anyone done that today btw?
[04:56] <tecs> why cant i edit it it says read only
[04:56] <tecs> using gedit
[04:57] <dark_suic> not today, but yes about 3 weeks ago
[04:57] <dark_suic> :P
[04:57] <_malte> :o
[04:57] <dark_suic> tecs, before you need to edit it as root
[04:57] <dark_suic> are you in gnome or kde?
[04:57] <_malte> i just wanted to know if something broke today, but i guess i'll find out
[04:57] <dark_suic> :P
[04:58] <tecs> gnome
[04:58] <tecs> i right click it no edit as root option
[04:58] <dark_suic> there was a bug in konqueror 3.5.0, but it was solved about 5 days after it's release :P
[04:58] <dark_suic> tecs, then run this
[04:58] <dark_suic> gksudo gedit(i think is like that)
[04:59] <dark_suic> and then open it form the editor
[04:59] <tid-wave> hello what mirror should i use for flight dapper packages ?
[04:59] <tid-wave> the one from my country doesn't work
[04:59] <dark_suic> then try another country
[04:59] <tecs> a bun ch of warning came up int he terminal
[05:01] <tecs> got it. hope its ok, anyways  if i install easyubuntu on gnome and decided to install kde desktop will easyubuntus effects still be applicable?
[05:02] <dark_suic> don't know a thing about easyubuntu
[05:03] <tecs> ok, here is another one, well sorry i am a real noob. how do i make a folder accessible both read and write by other users?
[05:03] <trispace> tecs: chmod o+rw
[05:03] <trollig> tecs: no, don't just follow a comman like that.
[05:04] <tecs> do i need to sudo that?
[05:04] <trollig> tecs: you'll need to understand what you're doin
[05:04] <trispace> tecs: chmod o+rw foldername
[05:04] <trispace> tecs: yes, its wise to read something about Unix file permissions first
[05:04] <trollig> trispace: yes of course that's correct but the next one'll say rm -rf / or so
[05:04] <tecs> yes, im the only one using this comp, in this user all my media is in the home folder, but when i use the other user account i cant accesss my media
[05:05] <trollig> and he'll type it
[05:05] <trollig> and he'll use sudo
[05:05] <tecs> rm is remove right? why will i do that?
[05:06] <trispace> trollig: yes, i know what you mean. But he asked a question and my answer was the solution to his question. I mean, first it asked about changing the grub menu, its also very dangerous if you don't know what you're doing
[05:06] <trollig> tecs: go through all that http://www.debian.de/doc/user-manuals#usersguide
[05:07] <trispace> s/it asked/he asked/
[05:07] <tecs> honestly i appreciate it when you guys teach noobs the essentials...but i mean...to do such a small thing a newbie needs to go under or over the learning curve. but all i want is to do a simple thing...jsut an opinion.
[05:08] <LjL> tecs: well, if you asked me about something, and i told you to "`echo "/ f- r- mr" | rev", would you do it? :)
[05:08] <LjL> (don't)
[05:08] <visik7> ok 3.5.1 upgrade successfully a part from a dep problem
[05:08] <LjL> (it's got a syntax error anyway, just to be sure ;)
[05:09] <tecs> well no, primarily because ive been reading for about a month now. and im kinda frustrated really. honestly. that my system is still not yet up and running. i mean its working but its not totally working.
[05:09] <trispace> tecs: well i think that most of the people here want to tell newbies the right way to do something - and yeah - sometimes it's more complicated to do it properly
[05:09] <tecs> so many components still down, and it takes me a week of trial and error to make one thing work i mean its really too much for a fresh linux user.
[05:09] <LjL> tecs: i don't have my system "totally working" as i want it either, not nearly, and i don't think i'll have it in such a state for the next year
[05:10] <tecs> i mean i want to amke the "switch " but time and time again it seems like without the expertice it is really impossible not unless i quit my job and study linux fulltime
[05:10] <LjL> again, i think for your purposes the best thing to do would be to assign user2 to user1's group. but i'm really not too sure this is a good idea either
[05:11] <LjL> i would do "sudo adduser user2 user1", and then "newgrp user1" when i am user2 and want to access user1's dir
[05:11] <trispace> tecs: you're right. Configuring a Linux system properly takes time
[05:13] <LjL> at that point, you could just "chmod -R g+rwx /home/user1" to access all files. although you should really not just activate all group permissions, but *copy* owner permissions to group permissions
[05:13] <LjL> but i don't know how to do that off hand
[05:14] <tecs> well, i think ive asked this before but i just cant remember the exact code... its like chmod 777 not sure but it really worked
[05:14] <SpentCasing> how would i connect to an irc server using open ssl and konversation?
[05:14] <LjL> why do you insist with all those numbers? chmod has a handy alphabetic syntax for the flags
[05:14] <tecs> i jsut had my again isntall because after applying easy kubuntu this morning my pc wont boot anymore and is locked isnide the terminal, well being a not at all good at the terminal i had no other choice but to reinstall.
[05:15] <LjL> anyway, 777 won't really copy anything to anything, it'll just make everything world-whateverable
[05:15] <trispace> SpentCasing: mark the SSL checkbox in the server edit dialogbox
[05:15] <tecs> yes. thats what i want to do
[05:15] <SpentCasing> k cool thanks
[05:15] <LjL> yeah, and that's what you probably should *NOT* do
[05:15] <tecs> i dont want to copy i jsut want my folder accessible to my other account.
[05:15] <LjL> but if you really want to, then i don't see why "chmod -R a+rwx /home/user" shouldn't do it
[05:16] <tecs> i eman i dont understand it....its me alone using this pc why cant i use that?
[05:16] <JohnFlux> SpentCasing: btw, our next konversation release is on tuesday
[05:16] <LjL> tecs: then following your reasoning, why don't you simply stay root all the time?
[05:16] <SpentCasing> cool, thanks for the heads up, i love conversation
[05:17] <JohnFlux> SpentCasing: we are hoping to get it in the next release of kubuntu, but might be too late
[05:17] <SpentCasing> lol, err konversation
[05:17] <SpentCasing> the dapper release?
[05:17] <tecs> ok then
[05:17] <LjL> tecs: anyway, what i was telling you was not to *copy files*, but to *copy the permissions*, so that you could precisely do what you wanted, i.e. access user1's files from user2
[05:18] <LjL> but if you insist that you want to do that by doing everything world writable, then again, feel free to "chmod -R a+rwx /home/user"
[05:18] <malte> 3.5 won't start :(
[05:18] <trispace> JohnFlux: is there a way to display whois information directly in the user context menu?
[05:18] <LjL> just don't be too suprised if you someday install an FTP server, a Samba server or something, and somebody reads and deletes your home dir ;)
[05:18] <malte> kde 3.5 that is. when i login through kdm nothing i get a blank screen and then kdm returns
[05:18] <malte> -nothing
[05:19] <malte> kdm.log says "> Error: Can't find file "sv" for symbols include"
[05:19] <tecs> whats 128mb in kB?
[05:20] <malte> that's for xkbcomp, and the log also states that errors from xkbcomp shouldn't be fatal to the x server
[05:20] <visik7> how can I report a bug for kde351 packages on kubuntu.org ?
[05:20] <visik7> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main
[05:20] <visik7> sorry
[05:20] <dark_suic> u did apt-get update && upgrade?
[05:20] <trispace> tecs: what do you mean by "mb" and "kB" ?
[05:20] <malte> dark_suic: yeah
[05:21] <dark_suic> well, it sounds kinda weird to me..
[05:21] <dark_suic> i updated without any problem...
[05:21] <howcomes> http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2149223/mpaa-accused-piracy
[05:21] <dark_suic> u tried again?
[05:21] <dark_suic> maybe a package was left in the way
[05:21] <malte> dark_suic: no, all packages was upgraded :/
[05:21] <dark_suic> try with apt-get upgrade (and not dist-upgrade)
[05:21] <tecs> eheh got it... configuring my ati card using easyubuntu
[05:21] <dark_suic> :(
[05:22] <visik7> howcomes: quite old article
[05:22] <malte> i'm trying 351 now instead
[05:22] <tecs> wait is kB the same with KB?
[05:23] <LjL> tecs: yes, except that KB is wrong technically
[05:24] <tecs> icic thats why its in small k here in linux
[05:24] <LjL> tecs: on the other hand, kb is different, and usually means "kilobit", even though "kbit" would probably be a better choice
[05:25] <Tainted-Time> Can anyone recommend a good window manager?
[05:25] <tid-wave> kwin ? :)
[05:25] <LjL> tecs: and note that "kB" sometimes means 1000 bytes, and sometimes 1024 bytes, usually the latter except in telecommunications
[05:25] <Tainted-Time> kwin?
[05:25] <dark_suic> Tainted-Time, you mean like kde or like kdm?
[05:26] <Tainted-Time> dark_suic: Yeah like that.
[05:26] <Tainted-Time> dark_suic: But simpler...
[05:26] <tid-wave> Tainted-Time KDE is just fine
[05:26] <dark_suic> simpler than kdm or than kde?
[05:26] <tid-wave> you can simplify it :)
[05:26] <LjL> tecs: so 128 MB is usually 131072 kB
[05:26] <Tainted-Time> dark_suic: What's the difference?
[05:26] <Tainted-Time> tid-wave: Oh?
[05:26] <Tainted-Time> I guess I am just looking for something awesome looking. :D
[05:26] <tid-wave> Tainted-Time kdm is a display manager... that thing that you use for logging in
[05:27] <Tainted-Time> dark_suic: Still.
[05:27] <dark_suic> kdm is the login screen, kde is the desktop environment (taskbar, desktop, etc)
[05:27] <tid-wave> Tainted-Time KDE is the best desktop environment for linux
[05:27] <Tainted-Time> Oh. I think I am looking for a Desktop Environment thing.
[05:27] <LjL> tid-wave: i suppose you shouldn't make that kind of statements
[05:27] <dark_suic> then kde is your friend :P
[05:27] <LjL> KDE is a very widely used desktop environment on Linux, as is Gnome
[05:27] <Tainted-Time> dark_suic: But how can I change it?
[05:28] <Tainted-Time> dark_suic: I want it more customized than Themes...
[05:28] <Tainted-Time> dark_suic: And simpler...Its hard to explain.
[05:28] <tid-wave> simple ? fluxbox ...
[05:29] <Tainted-Time> tid-wave: Tried it, I didn't like it much....unless you can recommend a good theme.
[05:29] <dark_suic> Tainted-Time, you just can edit what you like separately
[05:29] <LjL> Tainted-Time: have you tried gnome?
[05:29] <dark_suic> without being a single theme
[05:29] <Tainted-Time> LjL: yeah.
[05:29] <dark_suic> you can make your own theme
[05:29] <tid-wave> Tainted-Time www.enlightenment.org
[05:29] <LjL> Tainted-Time: have you tried window maker?
[05:29] <Tainted-Time> LjL: Nope.
[05:29] <dark_suic> if you want anything simple try icewm, fluxbox or anything like that
[05:29] <tecs> well, how do i know if my 3d accelerator is working?
[05:29] <tid-wave> window maker is cool
[05:29] <LjL> Tainted-Time: give it a chance, i quite liked it
[05:29] <tid-wave> tecs glxinfo | grep direct
[05:29] <Tainted-Time> www.enlightenment.org
[05:29] <Tainted-Time> Doesnt work
[05:30] <Tainted-Time> Where can I find window maker?
[05:30] <LjL> Tainted-Time: though i use KDE now. i don't see much point in using a "simple" window manager / desktop environment, when at the end of the day i'll mostly be using KDE and/or Gnome applications
[05:30] <LjL> Tainted-Time: "sudo aptitude install wmaker"
[05:30] <tecs> so if direct rendering is :no that means it isnt working?
[05:32] <Tainted-Time> LjL: Well do you have anything customized? A theme? Different applets? I find this "boring"...thats not the right word. I feel uncomfortable..lol
[05:32] <Tainted-Time> I don't know how to explain what I mean.
[05:32] <LjL> Tainted-Time: you're talking about kde or wmaker?
[05:32] <Tainted-Time> Both
[05:32] <LjL> Tainted-Time: i can show you a screenshot of my desktop, but i'm afraid i have rather "boring" preferences ;)
[05:33] <tid-wave> Tainted-Time http://www.get-e.org/
[05:34] <malte> 3.5.1 seems to work however
[05:35] <GameOver69> hey guys anyone know where i cain download extensions and plugins for hte konquerer browser?
[05:35] <malte> and it really is faster. especially at startup
[05:37] <Tainted-Time> Oh yeah...
[05:37] <tecs> is there an existing script to detect printers? because the add printer wizard cant make my printer work
[05:37] <LjL> Tainted-Time: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/i7777 <- my boring desktop
[05:37] <Tainted-Time> Is there a way to make Kubuntu bootup faster?
[05:38] <LjL> Tainted-Time: you could avoid booting it in the first place, by making use of hibernation aka software-suspend
[05:38] <LjL> Tainted-Time: unfortunately, that doesn't work very well yet, or at all, depending on your hardware, and it's not nearly as fast as it could be (or as it is on Windows)
[05:39] <tecs> thanks for the help guys good night:)
[05:39] <Tainted-Time> WOW!
[05:39] <Tainted-Time> Im diggin' Enlightenment.
[05:42] <howcomes> http://www.bash.org/?608100
[05:42] <LjL> Tainted-Time: have you browsed around www.kde-look.org?
[05:42] <Tainted-Time> Yeah.
[05:43] <Tainted-Time> The only good thing I found was YaKuake  or w/e its called.
[05:43] <Tainted-Time> I've been using that.
[05:43] <LjL> yakuake is nice yeah
[05:43] <LjL> but i was thinking more about themes and styles for you
[05:43] <Tainted-Time> Yeah.
[05:43] <LjL> by the way, why is yakuake on kde-look? it's an app, not a theme
[05:44] <Tainted-Time> They have acouple of apps on there.
[05:44] <LjL> "kde improvements", right
[05:44] <LjL> by the way you should install yakuake using "sudo aptitude install yakuake", not by getting it from kde-look
[05:45] <muzzle> So I want GTK+ but there are like 200 things with GTK in adept. Linux is not easy :)
[05:45] <LjL> muzzle: uhm, why would you want to install *GTK+* by itself?
[05:45] <Tainted-Time> LjL: Why?
[05:45] <LjL> muzzle: if you want GTK, i suppose it's because you have an app that needs it, or not?
[05:45] <muzzle> no I need to make one
[05:46] <LjL> Tainted-Time: because when something is in the repositories, it's *waaaay* better to install it from there than compile it
[05:46] <LjL> and yakuake happens to be in the repositories...
[05:46] <LjL> and even when something is *not* in the repositories, it's a very good idea to take some special precautions installing it (like using checkinstall)
[05:47] <JER3My> hi
[05:47] <Tainted-Time> LjL: Are there any special things I can do with yakuake
[05:47] <callie> does anyone here have k750i mobile?
[05:47] <Tainted-Time> Can I have "true" transparency?
[05:47] <LjL> muzzle: i see, but then you need "-dev" packages, not just plain gtk+... isn't "libgtk2.0-dev" the one you'd want?
[05:47] <Tainted-Time> Not pseudo
[05:47] <callie> im wondering about synching
[05:47] <LjL> Tainted-Time: no
[05:48] <JER3My> i'm a newbee, but i have a problem with liquid weather
[05:48] <LjL> Tainted-Time: i don't think you can have "true" transparency anywhere in X, except by enabling things that are currently much better left disabled
[05:48] <_andrea> i need to play mp3's and mpeg videos....but the wiki instructions i found are for ubuntu...
[05:48] <muzzle> LjL:  it might be
[05:48] <callie> wassup JER3My ?
[05:48] <muzzle> I just have this page which says some different things I need
[05:48] <JER3My> liquid weather is transparent on my desktop
[05:48] <JER3My> (sorry for my english)
[05:48] <muzzle> Is gtk2 the same as gtk+ ?
[05:49] <callie> hmmm. certain elements of liquid weather should be transparent
[05:49] <callie> lemme check something JER3My
[05:49] <LjL> muzzle: i think "gtk+" is both 1 and 2... anyway, version 2 is the one that looks like most programs in current Gnome, while version 1 is the one that looks like, for instance, XMMS
[05:49] <LjL> muzzle: if the app you're trying to compile is recent, my bet is on gtk2
[05:50] <JER3My> when i do a right click, there are the options
[05:50] <LjL> muzzle: why don't you just run ./configure and see what it's missing?
[05:50] <Tainted-Time> Wow.
[05:51] <callie> which version of liquid weather are you using JER3My ?
[05:51] <Tainted-Time> I can't wait for E17 to be released.
[05:51] <JER3My> the last
[05:51] <callie> you sure?
[05:51] <muzzle> LiL > I'm totally new to linux. I just need some stuff for school.
[05:51] <LjL> muzzle: can you point me to the tarball of the application you're compiling?
[05:51] <JER3My> hum... yes
[05:52] <callie> different versions have different dependancies so you need to check you're using the right version of liquid weather with the right version superkaramba
[05:53] <callie> check the page on www.kde-look.org for info on dependancies
[05:53] <muzzle> LjL: I'm not compiling anything. I just need those lib. and stuff.
[05:53] <muzzle> LjL: http://www.cs.aau.dk/~madsen/Homepage/Teaching/Glade_F05/html/index-slide-gtk.html
[05:53] <callie> make sure you're using the right libaries JER3My
[05:53] <JER3My> i downloaded "the latest version of liquid weather ++ (9.2.1) ..." on the official website of liquid weather
[05:54] <GameOver69> hey guys anyone know where i cain download extensions and plugins for hte konquerer browser?
[05:54] <callie> and superkaramba JER3My ?
[05:54] <LjL> muzzle: well i think they're definitely thinking about gtk 2 there
[05:54] <muzzle> LjL: If you say so :D hehe
[05:54] <JER3My> moreover, i have installed superkaramba with apt-get install
[05:55] <JER3My> and also imagemagick
[05:55] <LjL> muzzle: well there is no reason why you should use an old, terribly obsolete version like gtk 1
[05:55] <muzzle> ofcourse not
[05:55] <muzzle> LjL: so what do I write to download what? hehe
[05:55] <callie> JER3My, and PYQT?
[05:55] <LjL> muzzle: my bet is still on "sudo aptitude install libgtk2.0-dev"
[05:55] <JER3My> i think that it is the problem
[05:55] <muzzle> ok
[05:56] <JER3My> when i write "apt-get install pyqt" in Konsole there isn't nothing
[05:56] <callie> lemme get the exact filename JER3My
[05:56] <muzzle> downloading ;)
[05:56] <JER3My> what is lemme
[05:56] <JER3My> ?
[05:56] <LjL> JER3My: there is no "pyqt", but there is a pyqt-tools as well as a python-qt-dev and more
[05:56] <muzzle> LjL: But I guess I need more than just that? GIMP? GNU?
[05:57] <muzzle> LjL: And Glade?
[05:57] <LjL> muzzle: GNU simply means a GNU/Linux operating system, such as Ubuntu
[05:57] <JER3My> i have install "pyqt-tools"
[05:57] <LjL> muzzle: The GIMP is a graphics editor. you can install it with "sudo aptitude install gimp"
[05:58] <callie> JER3My, and you're tried restarting X?
[05:58] <JER3My> no
[05:58] <LjL> muzzle: Glade is a visual user interface editor, a bit like what you have in Visual C for example, and you can install it with "sudo aptitude install glade-2"
[05:58] <muzzle> LjL: THANKS :D
[05:58] <JER3My> how i can do this ?
[05:58] <muzzle> LjL: THANKS :D
[05:58] <muzzle> hehe
[05:58] <LjL> muzzle: as well as "sudo aptitude install glade", but that will let you create gtk-1 interfaces, not gtk-2
[05:59] <callie> CTR+ALT+BACKSPACE [not delete]  JER3My
[05:59] <LjL> muzzle: you could also type "apt-cache show anjuta". have a look at it, it could probably be handy
[05:59] <muzzle> LjL: I guess I need glade-2 then
[06:00] <muzzle> LjL: ok
[06:00] <muzzle> Wow they really don't like Denmark down there anymore.
[06:01] <Tainted-Time> Is there a way to download and install of these at one time, eet, evas, ecore, embryo, and edje?
[06:03] <dark_suic> are they in the repositories, Tainted-Time ?
[06:03] <Tainted-Time> Not sure
[06:03] <dark_suic> if they are, apt-get install eet evas ecore embryo edje
[06:03] <dark_suic> then try searching them :P
[06:03] <Tainted-Time> Lol.
[06:03] <Tainted-Time> How?
[06:03] <gamma> anyone get ndiswrapper-modules-1.8 installed on dapper? i'm getting this msg when trying to install "Package ndiswrapper-modules-1.8 is not available, but is referred to by another package."
[06:04] <dark_suic> well, they aren't in the repos :P
[06:04] <LjL> they're not in the reps
[06:04] <callie> back to my original question, anyone here sync their sony ericsson with Kontact? or know if its even possible?
[06:04] <LjL> i guess you'll have to compile them, whatever they are
[06:04] <gamma> well ndiswrapper-utils needs it
[06:04] <Tainted-Time> Dang.
[06:04] <gamma> D:
[06:05] <LjL> gamma: hold on i was talking to Tainted-Time :)
[06:05] <Tainted-Time> lol
[06:05] <LjL> have no idea about ndiswrapper, though i hear you do often need to compile it, and i guess it's far from easy
[06:05] <Tainted-Time> btrb
[06:05] <Tainted-Time> brb
[06:06] <gamma> is sourceforge.net down for anyone else?
[06:06] <LjL> gamma: times out apparently
[06:06] <callie> seems that way gamma
[06:07] <Tainted> Holy mother of hell.
[06:07] <Tainted> I absolutely love enlightenment.
[06:07] <Tainted> Who was is that suggested it?
[06:08] <callie> buddha?
[06:08] <Tainted> HAHHAHAHA
[06:08] <Tainted> That was good.
[06:10] <neoncode> is it possible to use any kind of on-the-fly enycripted filesystem with linux?
[06:12] <Pupeno_> neoncode: yes, I am doing it right now.
[06:13] <Pupeno_> neoncode: search for "linux encrypted file system" there are various howto's on line.
[06:15] <neoncode> Pupeno_: How strong is the enycription?