[06:48] <zed> Lc:ear
[06:48] <zed> well i didn't expect this either :/
[06:48] <zed> i'm trying to get someone on our case (which seems to be rather difficult)
[17:13] <encbladexp> zed, some News from eshu?


[02:07] <lamont> pjdc: doko: +1
[05:34] <cpaelzer> doko: hi, one question about tracking syncs
[05:35] <cpaelzer> doko: I saw you asked jbicha about brotli - I always wondered how one could/would track who did a sync
[05:35] <cpaelzer> did you derive that from the changes file that was generated on the sync?
[05:35] <cpaelzer> or what are your usual steps to determine who has done a particular sync?
[05:41] <Unit193> cpaelzer: Eg, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brotli/1.0.4-1/+publishinghistory expand the proposed one.
[06:02] <cpaelzer> Unit193: yeah, thanks
[06:02] <cpaelzer> I was expecting to see it anywhere on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brotli/1.0.4-1 as well
[06:02] <cpaelzer> but from publishing history is fine, this isn't an info you need very often anyway
[06:02] <Unit193> Can be useful though.
[06:02] <cpaelzer> absolutely
[09:33] <GunnarHj> wgrant: Can you please look at bug #1758684. LP fails to import some (randomly determined?) strings over and over again. Manual uploads work.
[10:05] <wgrant> GunnarHj: Hm, where did you get the POT that you manaully uploaded?
[10:05] <wgrant> GunnarHj: Pretty sure LP is in the right here; compare the sizes of the top six tarballs on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+queue?queue_state=3&queue_text=snapd
[10:06] <wgrant> snapd seems to product different POTs depending on the arch it's built on, which is certainly innovative.
[10:07] <wgrant> wgrant@lamuella:/tmp$ diff -u {arm64,i386}/source/po/snappy.pot | diffstat
[10:07] <wgrant>  snappy.pot | 1622 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
[10:07] <wgrant>  1 file changed, 1620 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
[10:08] <wgrant> Never seen anything quite like that.
[10:10] <GunnarHj> wgrant: Hmm.. That's an aspect I haven't even noticed. Always looked at the amd64 tarballs.
[10:12] <GunnarHj> wgrant: But I'm aware of the fact that the snapd template generating is fragile. That's a separate snapd issue. But it would be good if we could make LP behave as expected given the templates which are generated.
[10:12] <wgrant> GunnarHj: Yeah, I only thought to check because it made literally no sense at all otherwise.
[10:12] <wgrant> GunnarHj: LP is behaving as expected. The most recently uploaded template wins.
[10:12] <wgrant> Unioning the templates isn't sensible.
[10:12] <wgrant> LP's doing all it can.
[10:14] <GunnarHj> wgrant: Ah, is that it. That may explain it then. Thanks for valuable input!
[10:14] <wgrant> GunnarHj: Thanks for looking at this.
[10:14] <wgrant> Hopefully snapd people have some idea on this bug.
[10:14] <wgrant> i'll certainly be following it just because the bug has to be pretty entertaining to have this result...
[10:16] <GunnarHj> wgrant: Wouldn't use the word "entertaining" ... :(
[10:20] <GunnarHj> wgrant: The are using something called xgettext-go:
[10:20] <GunnarHj> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/update-pot
[10:21] <wgrant> GunnarHj: Hm, that uses "go install" so it's probably not the thing that's run during the build on LP
[10:21] <wgrant> Unless something weird is going on
[10:22] <wgrant> Oh though xgettext-go is from snapd itself
[10:22] <wgrant> because of course it is
[10:23] <wgrant> Though I can't see what runs update-pot
[10:23] <wgrant> i18n/i18n.go://go:generate update-pot
[10:23] <wgrant> unless it's that
[10:23] <cjwatson> Yes, that comment isn't a comment
[10:23] <cjwatson> /o\
[10:24] <cjwatson> https://blog.golang.org/generate
[10:25] <wgrant> Do I want to know
[10:25] <cjwatson> No
[10:25] <GunnarHj> wgrant, cjwatson: If you see something weird there, I'm sure the snapd team would appreciate a hint.
[10:26] <cjwatson> I'm just remarking on the ridiculous Go overloading of comments; I have nothing particularly useful to contribute
[10:26]  * wgrant is firing up a VM to run update-pot and see what happens
[10:37] <Skuggen> Does anyone have an overview of the configuration of autopkgtest used in Ubuntu? I'm working on some MySQL 8.0 packaging, and get some dep8 failures because the test suite need more ram and test timeout than the default setting
[15:44] <sil2100> Laney: I just accepted all your gstreamer packages for bionic - just make sure that the few 1.14.1 packages that are still stuck in cosmic-proposed migrate
[15:45] <sil2100> Since there were a few that were still sitting there
[15:45] <Laney> sil2100: thanks!
[15:45] <sil2100> yw!
[15:45] <Laney> they're stuck in the migration of hell
[15:46] <Laney> which I saw people were working on; so, hopefully when that moves on a bit they'll go in
[15:46] <Laney> or at least we'll see if there's anothe rproblem
[15:46] <doko> cpaelzer_: usually I get this from the changes emails (I'm subscribed to these)
[16:49] <xnox> slangasek, when upstart chroot sessions are disabled; initctl version still responds inside a chroot, when the host system has upstart. Do you think that is correct symantics? or a bug, which we should have fixed...?!
[16:49] <xnox> sladen, balint and I discovered this yesterday, in the context of building trusty images
[16:52] <slangasek> xnox: seems like correct semantics to me


[00:00] <cobraeriko> when you say you don't want the source system to be live, do you mean not booted into or not mounted?
[00:01] <cobraeriko> I guess it has to be mounted to rsync anyway, right?
[00:01] <arraybolt3> cobraeriko: Pretty sure "not live".
[00:01] <arraybolt3> er, "not  booted into".
[00:02] <arraybolt3> (Brain grabbed the wrong part of the text :P)
[00:02] <arraybolt3> I don't think rsync can access non-mounted drives (it would have to have filesystem-level code for that).
[00:02] <cobraeriko> arraybolt3: no worries. that makes good sense
[00:02] <cobraeriko> thanks
[00:03] <arraybolt3> You just want to make sure the files you're copying from don't change out from under you (if I'm understanding properly).
[00:03] <cobraeriko> arraybolt3: sorry, what do you mean by change out from under you?
[00:03] <jhutchins> cobraeriko: I would assume that the project can be started/stopped independently of booting the system.  I that case, it's fine if it's booted as long as the project is not "live".
[00:04] <jhutchins> If the project has drivers or other files that can not be shut down on a live system then yes, the system needs to be down and the drive mounted (preferably read-only).
[00:05] <cobraeriko> jhutchins: Ok, good to know. Thankfully the project can indeed be started/stopped independent of booting system
[00:13] <Aussies> Hello guys
[00:13] <Aussies> Whats going on
[00:13] <Endington543> Nothing much
[00:14] <cobraeriko> My only other concern is how to transfer my project's git history and config (like link to my remote GitHub repo, etc), concerning this project over to this new drive?  The mini.iso files no longer are being generated.
[00:46] <arraybolt3> They were an unsupported artifact of the old ISO generation process, and the process changed, so those aren't made anymore.
[00:54] <hightower2> ok, thanks
[00:54]  * genii ponders https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/
[00:58] <leftyfb> genii: that just directs you to a guide about installing with the "new Ubunut Server installer" and "legacy" links to old releases with netboot images
[00:59] <genii> leftyfb: Yes, seems like the last one was Bionic
[00:59] <leftyfb> yep
[00:59] <leftyfb> actually
[01:00] <leftyfb> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/mini.iso
[01:00] <leftyfb> focal still has a mini.iso
[01:00] <genii> Interesting
[01:01] <leftyfb> there isn't even a link to download the jammy kernel and initrd to pxe boot, so I'm not sure how they want you to do that
[01:02] <genii> I used to be able to point a gPXE  GRUB entry directly at the URL before to install directly from Canonical's servers
[01:07] <lexandrop> That strange moment, when you've been waiting for Feb 23 to get [k]ubuntu 22.04.2, and then you see, that your /etc/os-release says it's 22.04.2 already at least from Feb 21
[01:39] <mybalzitch> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
[02:16] <Guest51> Network pulseaudio sinks are no longer visible after upgraded to 22.10 from 22.04. The sink is actually Pipewire with pipewire-pulse on a remote computer. Cheking here if there is a workaround before filing a bug report.
[02:16] <sarnold> Guest51: I don't think I've seen anyone mention this before
[02:19] <Guest51> sarnold: Can you or others confirm that PA network sinks are still functioning in 22.10?
[02:22] <sarnold> Guest51: hah, I wouldn't even know where to start :(
[02:26] <Guest51> Hopefully someone here can let me know before I create a bunch of drama with a bug report 🤗
[02:28] <sarnold> nah, worst case someone hits the 'duplicate' button :)
[02:59] <arraybolt3> Guest51: Most open-source projects hate duplicate bug reports for reasons I don't understand. Ubuntu not only is OK with duplicates, but actually appreciates them since they let us know about a bug's severity.
[02:59] <arraybolt3> Guest51: Also sometimes near-identical looking bugs can have totally different reasons.
[03:00] <sarnold> well, I expect most projects would rather have duplicate bug reports rather than people just adding "I've got the same problem" comments to ancient bug reports ;)
[04:31] <seer__> Look though this entire drive and all the folders and subfolders and files for any filename that has this-char-string somewhere in the filename...  what is the command to do this?
[04:31] <rbox> find can find files that match a name
[04:34] <morgan-u2> I keep getting this answer, Linux / UNIX Recursively Search All Files For A String - or how to see all the files.
[04:34] <morgan-u2> seer__ = morgan-u2
[04:42] <morgan-u2> this is NOT what I am asking:: Finding all files containing specific text on Linux'
[04:42] <rbox> text in the file, is grep
[04:43] <morgan-u2> Well I felt so dumb I put my entire question as I asked it here into The Google and got stuff. added a couple of words more and got this - which is tantilizingly close. I find the examples "not well explained". Oh well, at least I am closer.   --  https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-find-and-locate-to-search-for-files-on-linux
[04:44] <morgan-u2> rboox. right. I am trying to find a music file that may have ther string psychocal in it... looking on my backup pocket drive. I dont know but it might be an mp3 so I would just love to look at all the .mp3 files on the srive.
[04:44] <rbox> what?
[04:45] <morgan-u2> when I say IN IT I mean IN THE FILENAME not in the contents of the file
[04:45] <arraybolt3> morgan-u2: `find | grep -i <substring>`
[04:45] <morgan-u2> sorry, words are hard
[04:45] <arraybolt3> (There's probably a more efficient way but that's what I know off the top of my head.)
[04:45] <arraybolt3> morgan-u2: That looks in filenames only.
[04:45] <morgan-u2> I thought grep looks in the characters IN THE FILE.
[04:45] <morgan-u2> I want to look at the filename only
[04:45] <arraybolt3> Or it looks at whatever you pipe into it.
[04:46] <morgan-u2> ah. new thought
[04:46] <arraybolt3> `find` gives a list of all file names complete with directory paths.
[04:46] <arraybolt3> You pipe it into grep, it finds your substring.
[04:46] <arraybolt3> `grep -r` searches in file contents.
[04:46] <morgan-u2> I want file to go recusively.
[04:46] <arraybolt3> `find` does it recursively.
[04:46] <arraybolt3> I think `find` can even do the searching part itself but I'm horrible at using it very well so I just make it give me a list of EVERYTHING and then pipe it to grep.
[04:47] <morgan-u2> ok new thought. You should write this explaination. (not serious. waste of time to edit someone elses)
[04:47] <arraybolt3> Actualls `find <search term>` works better.
[04:47] <arraybolt3> Eh, not really.
[04:47] <arraybolt3> Tar.
[04:47] <arraybolt3> This is why I use find and grep together _P
[04:47] <arraybolt3> *:P
[04:47] <morgan-u2> so find *.mp3  would work
[04:48] <arraybolt3> I don't think so after all.
[04:48] <morgan-u2> find (name of drive) *.mp3
[04:48] <arraybolt3> But `find | grep '.mp3'` would.
[04:49] <morgan-u2> how do I call the drive?   is it the "media" notation or the sbx notation?
[04:49] <arraybolt3> morgan-u2: More efficient way: `find * -name 'search-term'`
[04:49] <morgan-u2> I am fuzzy on this stuff and have never seen it explained. I need a book for "my level"
[04:49] <arraybolt3> morgan-u2: You'd use /media/id.
[04:50] <arraybolt3> Linux displays all files and folders in the same directory tree, so you mount a drive into a directory and then can access it.
[04:50] <morgan-u2> is .mp3 a searchterm
[04:50] <arraybolt3> Yes.
[04:50] <arraybolt3> (The /dev/sdX notation is for referencing a drive as if it were an entire file, which is useful for devic-elevel operations like flasing an ISO.)
[04:50] <arraybolt3> *device-level, and *flashing (sorry for typos)
[04:51] <morgan-u2> OK will copy all this so I can refer to it. I'll try it. Cross-fingers it is an mp3 ---- I had the music on an old phone. Now I have it on a cassette, but... (digitizing it is a project.)
[04:51] <arraybolt3> Also, technically you usually don't mount a *drive* into a directory, you mount a filesystem into a directory. Some filesystems aren't on a drive at all - there's network-baesd drives and virtual filesystems too. Usually a filesystem on a drive is in a partition on the drive.
[04:52] <morgan-u2> OK I am going to have to read all this again.
[04:52] <arraybolt3> So `mount /dev/sdX1 /path/to/folder` mounts the filesystem in the first partition of drive sdX into /path/to/folder.
[04:52] <arraybolt3> Anyway, I may be overloading trying to correct myself, sorry.
[04:52] <morgan-u2> oh I am confused again . I thought I mounted a drive into a filesystem
[04:53] <morgan-u2> and a filesystem is on a drive.
[04:53] <morgan-u2> I mean the ubuntu system sees my data as a filesystem and that pocket drive gets integrated into the filesystem
[04:54] <arraybolt3> True.
[04:54] <morgan-u2> like everything is a filesytem.
[04:54] <morgan-u2> is seen as a filesystem.
[04:55] <morgan-u2> I need some book and I dont know which. I should go down to ucla and pile the books on a table and go through them to see if anyone them seem to be "on my level"
[04:55] <arraybolt3> Gah, so there's two filesystems in Linux. There's **the filesystem** which starts at / and has all of the mounted data on the whole system accross all drives and whatever else on it. Then there's individual filesystems like ext4, fat32, NTFS, sshfs, tmpfs, procfs, etc. that you mount into **the filesystem*.
[04:55] <arraybolt3> (I don't really know what you call "the filesystem", but you get what I mean.)
[04:55] <morgan-u2> I have becomeinterested that lots of things can be seen as layers. Maybe I need to learn that kind of teminology.
[04:56] <morgan-u2> OK will learn something. wors are hard.
[04:56] <arraybolt3> What's even more confusing is that you can mount a drive into a directory and then mount a different drive into one of the subdirectories. :P
[04:56] <arraybolt3> In fact your system does this by default in some instances.
[04:57] <arraybolt3> (Like / has your main disk filesystem mounted into it usually, but then /boot *might* be a different filesystem, and /boot/efi is usually mounted from a separate EFI System Partition. And then you have flash drives mounted into /media/whatever, etc.)
[04:57] <morgan-u2> mounting a drive into a directory. OK I think I see. The directory-nameis waiting for a drive to be called that dirname.  before the drive was mounted that directorypath was either empty or invoalid.
[04:58] <arraybolt3> Yeah, Linux's file handling is very much a ton of layers. It's confusing to all get out to begin with, especially when coming from Windows, but it's quite powerful once you get used to it.
[04:58] <morgan-u2> Oh I dont know windows at all. Luckily
[04:58] <arraybolt3> morgan-u2: Kinda. Directories are like containers - they can hold either files on whatever filesystem they belong to, or they can hold an entire other filesystem mounted from somewhere else.
[04:59] <morgan-u2> I took part of an A+ class where I heard about layers and realized that all is layers.
[04:59] <arraybolt3> So if /home/user is on a filesystem and /home/user/myDir doesn't have another filesystem mounted into it, /home/user/myDir stores files that are on the partition that is in /home/user.
[04:59] <arraybolt3> But if you mount a flash drive into /home/user/myDir, then anything stored in /home/user/myDir goes on a different filesystem than other data in /home/user.
[04:59] <morgan-u2> In the wayway back I was a programmer and there were computer operators and never the twain shall meet.
[04:59] <arraybolt3> lol
[05:00] <arraybolt3> Sounds like you guys didn't always get along well :P
[05:00] <morgan-u2> decks of punch cards that were made by typists. all I did was write what I wanted to be on the cards. There was paper with a grid that I wrote it on.
[05:01] <morgan-u2> They got overtime and we didnt. They made more money
[05:02] <arraybolt3> Bet you coded a lot more carefully back then than most people do now.
[05:03] <morgan-u2> Someone picked up my cards to run them on the computer. Out of my sight the cards were put on magnetic tape, taken to the computer and the programs were run batch style. I would get a pile of paper output and my cards back. One run a day and sometimes two.
[05:04] <morgan-u2> When I said never the twain shall meet" I meant we didnt see them at all.
[05:04] <arraybolt3> Ah, makes sense.
[05:05] <morgan-u2> I avoided learning the os. I have one card tht told the os what to do. So when we moved from one kind of computer to another, I didnt care.
[05:05] <morgan-u2> I think one was a sperry-rand. and IBM model later than the 1401. bigger and better.
[05:06] <morgan-u2> I worked for contractors to defense dept things. I had a secret clearance.
[05:06] <morgan-u2> at one place. another place was somekind of outpost of the navy.
[05:07] <morgan-u2> But they had not made a useful weapon since the 30''s
[05:07] <morgan-u2> havent thought of this stuff.  JCL was one of the OS's
[05:07] <morgan-u2> linux makes sense to me and windows makes me crazy
[05:09] <morgan-u2> ok all copied. will do this tomorrow.
[05:09] <morgan-u2> oh more to copy, grin
[05:10] <morgan-u2> got it all.
[05:11] <morgan-u2> one more thing. I was miffed and horrified when I had to learn to type. Before that, typing was a "girl job".  I was trying to avoid a girljob.
[05:25] <seer__> arraybolt3, This also may be mroe of what I wanted to know.  find, in this case, is looking for a file glob, the sort of pattern you would use in ls. You probably mean iname '*book1*'. Note that the pattern must be inside quotes to stop the shell from expanding it before find gets to see it. Also notice that find, like many *nix commands, is frustratingly silent when it is unsuccessful.
[05:26] <seer__> from https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/362292/how-to-find-a-file-from-any-directory
[05:26] <seer__> I am helpless and dont know why my name keeps changing.
[05:27] <seer__> I am morgan-u2
[05:27] <morgan-u2> OIC fixed it
[05:29] <ShaedS> how do i delete a file name 'aux'$'\033'':q'
[05:30] <ShaedS> quotes in file name
[05:30] <rbox> rm \'<tab>
[05:30] <ShaedS> i tried that
[05:30] <ShaedS> doesn't auto fill
[05:30] <rbox> just use a graphical tool or like mc
[05:31] <ShaedS> i'm on a headless server
[05:31] <rbox> mc is command line
[05:31] <ShaedS> oh right forgot about midnight commander
[05:31] <ShaedS> 8 megabytes?!?!
[05:32] <junebug> mv the files to rename them?
[05:32] <ShaedS> kinda big for mc no?
[05:32] <ShaedS> i remember it being much smaller
[05:32] <Liowenex> What's the matter?
[05:33] <junebug> ShaedS, can you do rm "'aux'$'\033'':q'"?
[05:33] <Liowenex> MC? Minecraft? It's over a gig nowadays, yes it's true, back in the day, when it still supported Java 6 on PowerPC, it was less than 100 megs
[05:33] <morgan-u2> before I thought of the mp3 strategy, this may have been my answer find / -iname '*book*'  where book is the string I am sure of.
[05:33] <ShaedS> okay i ahve no idea how to use this via ssh
[05:33] <ShaedS> 8 is not deleting
[05:33] <ShaedS> oh its f8
[05:35] <arraybolt3> ShaedS: Can't you enclose the whole mess in double quotes?
[05:35] <ShaedS> maybe
[05:35] <arraybolt3> Hold on, lemme try something...
[05:35] <ShaedS> i thought tab completion would make that so
[05:35] <ShaedS> it's gone now tho
[05:35] <ShaedS> now back to figuring out this openvpn stuff
[05:35] <arraybolt3> I was able to make a file with that name.
[05:36] <arraybolt3> And then remove it.
[05:36] <arraybolt3> ShaedS: rm "'aux'\$'\\033'':q'"
[05:36] <morgan-u2> Zsh (I dont know what that means) -> With Zsh you can use glob patterns, so this works too:    ls -a /**/book1
[05:36] <arraybolt3> Basically, enclose it in double quotes and escape the $ (which makes variables otherwise) and the \ (which escapes things otherwise).
[05:36] <arraybolt3> ShaedS: Also interested in how you created that file, looks like something interesting happened in Vim?
[05:38] <arraybolt3> ShaedS: Also if you do "ls" it should show you the file with a name that you can copy-paste or type verbatim and remove the file.
[05:38] <arraybolt3> Oh wait, you got it.
[05:38] <arraybolt3> Only now am I finding this out.
[05:40] <arraybolt3> Liowenex: mc = Midnight Commander, it's a command-line file manager.
[05:40] <ShaedS> i thought you don't need to escape anything in ""
[05:40] <arraybolt3> Kind of like "File Explorer" on Windows, or Nautilus (GNOME), Dolphin (KDE), PCManFM-Qt (LXQt), Nemo (Cinnamon), etc.
[05:41] <arraybolt3> ShaedS: $ can reference variables which can bite you if you don't escape it, and \ escapes things so it has to be escaped to avoid being ignored or causing trouble.
[05:41] <arraybolt3> You don't have to escape things in '', but your file name had ' marks in it so...
[05:42] <ShaedS> https://linuxhint.com/openvpn-server-ubuntu-22-04/ i don't see where to generate an .ovpn profile
[05:42] <ShaedS> which my iOS client needs for OpenVPN Connect
[05:44] <arraybolt3> ShaedS: https://openvpn.net/community-resources/creating-configuration-files-for-server-and-clients/ Does that help?
[05:47] <ShaedS> looking now
[08:25] <cats3d> lolol with gnome+wayland I can switch between keyboard layouts, but without the indicator doesnt change, and I have languages I never added to the cycle
[08:25] <cats3d> plasma+wayland I can switch the indicator but the actual layout doesnt change
[08:27] <bparker> the absolute state of desktop linux
[08:31] <arraybolt3> Plasma+Wayland is somewhat expected to be wonky since it's not stable yet, if I'm understanding correctly. GNOME+Wayland, though, that sounds like a bug. If you'd like, you can run "ubuntu-bug gnome-shell" in a terminal and you should be able to report the bug. Some extra debug info will be attached. You will need to have or create an Ubuntu One account to file bugs.
[08:31] <arraybolt3> cats3d: ^
[08:31] <cats3d> will do!
[08:38] <ninunin> can someone want to help me to fix some hdd issue? i have new hdd and this new hdd is now hda, i want to be second?
[08:39] <ninunin> my main hda is now hdc
[08:39] <ninunin> can i fix this?
[08:39] <ninunin> my main* i mean, where system is and home partition
[08:42] <arraybolt3> ninunin: Are there any particular problems this is causing?
[08:42] <arraybolt3> ninunin: /dev/sdX device IDs are specifically *not* guaranteed to be static, and Ubuntu is designed to cope with them changing by using static identifiers where needed.
[08:43] <arraybolt3> If the change is causing a problem, it's probably better to make whatever's depending on the volatile sdX IDs rely on static ones.
[08:45] <ninunin> i head that if my main hdd aka hda was on wrong position that can couse problems in future? so.. if i let this like it is nothing will happened (sorry for my eng)
[08:45] <ninunin> arraybolt3
[08:46] <arraybolt3> ninunin: Assuming everything is set up properly, the change shouldn't cause problems unless you're using a command like `dd` to overwrite a drive directly and you incorrectly assume what the ID of your target drive is.
[08:47] <arraybolt3> ninunin: As a general rule, if you're going to do something like flash an ISO, you should *always* use `lsblk` or a similar command to figure out what drive ID your target drive has, and never assume that you know what ID it is going to have. As long as you do that, you should be good.
[08:47] <ninunin> arraybolt3, yes, i will now now that if i want to delete i need first to recognize wich one is sda or sdc
[08:48] <arraybolt3> ninunin: The only other time this could cause a problem is if something is configured wrong on your system. Ubuntu is designed to not rely on sdX IDs being static, so as long as any configuration changes you make similarly don't rely on those IDs being static, you should be good.
[08:48] <ninunin> thanks arraybolt3
[08:48] <arraybolt3> Glad to help!
[09:03] <cats3d> ohhh plasma+wayland has screen energy-saver-blanking working! it doesn't work for me in gnome with 2 monitors
[09:14] <Murumuru> Hello, having a problem with Wine on ubuntu 22.04 LTS, when I try to start any graphics app with wine on nvidia gpu with "prime-run" I get "wine: Unhandled page fault on execute access to" errors and wine freezes. I can run apps without freezing on integrated amdgpu. Any idea what I should look for? Can run ordinary software and stuff like vkcube/glxgears with "prime-run" fine. Error:  https://paste.linux.chat/?eacba882756f
[09:14] <Murumuru> 588b#CmfakyzTN6ddkBWasSmpuqdVzSuxuJvQ6ibbuoRRJaSg Inxi: https://paste.linux.chat/?173ff1d5b82fed8d#GkAR5YqPPeQRkvoJQ5ZzJgyXoDDEfMsx6k1nXvacVyoY Prime-run: https://paste.linux.chat/?1716c289f420e7c8#64xPrwWpprxoWLwJDGgEZAgXoHaV88d3duLJ5VSYnYES
[09:30] <adm_xubuntu_22_0> oi
[09:35] <RuralScientist> Hi there, I have a Ubuntu 22.04 on a Dell Latitude 5520 laptop. I would like to share the screen to a large external screen through a hdmi cable. I have chosen the laptop as the input on the external screen, I pressed fn f8 to toggle the outputs to no avail. What should I do instead?
[09:44] <gry> RuralScientist: hello :) have you tried installing 'arandr' and configuring the external display in it?
[09:46] <tomreyn> RuralScientist: does the external display show at Settings -> Displays ?
[09:55] <RuralScientist> gry, tomreyn, after some fiddling it worked.
[11:04] <g105b> Hi all, I wonder if anyone can help me? (Maybe I'm looking for the wrong solution) I want to record screencasts, but I want to zoom in to an area of the screen about half the size of the screen. When I do this, the video is blurry (it's zoomed in, so the pixels interpolate). I wonder if I can somehow render at twice the resolution, so the video records as if the monitor has higher resolution than it really does? Then
[11:04] <g105b> zooming would be smooth and sharp.
[11:06] <g105b> The solution would be to buy a monitor with a higher resolution, but that seems wasteful.
[11:12] <arraybolt3> g105b: I think there's some scaling feature to do that, lemme check.
[11:13] <g105b> The content I'm screen casting is my IDE, for other developers, and I simply want to zoom into one area of the code while I'm talking about it, but without it looking blocky/blury
[11:13] <g105b> As an example, on MacOS, if you zoom in anywhere on the screen, everything scales as if it were vector (it probably is).
[11:14] <arraybolt3> Meh, I was wrong. I thought the Fractional Scaling switch would do it, but it did the exact *opposite*.
[11:15] <g105b> hah, yeah I've looked into that too. I don't think it's what I'm describing.
[11:15] <arraybolt3> I'm guessing I must have gotten confused by using a VM and having "Scale Display" enabled or something.
[11:15] <g105b> I almost want to create a virtual monitor, twice the resolution of my actual monitor, set that as my screen and then display a downsampled version of that to my actual screen.
[11:16] <arraybolt3> FWIW, you can sorta do what you want within a virtual machine by setting the VM to scale the display and then setting the VM's display resolution to larger than your monitor.
[11:16] <g105b> Then I can use the larger buffer to record from, panning and zooming after the fact.
[11:16] <arraybolt3> That will do essentially what you just described, but it will add the overhead and complexity of a whole second OS.
[11:16] <arraybolt3> I wonder if Xephyr could help here...
[11:16] <g105b> What you're describing sounds great if I could do it without a VM.
[11:17] <g105b> But I might be asking the complete wrong question here. It might be possible for some screen recording software to zoom in to text in a way that doesn't blur.
[11:19] <arraybolt3> Oh fine. I just totally messed up my desktop :P
[11:19] <arraybolt3> Guess I need to keep that terminal open now...
[11:21] <arraybolt3> Well I can't figure it out. There's a tool called Xephyr that can run a second X server in a window, but trying to get Unity to run under it was a flop so...
[11:21] <g105b> I'll look into it, thanks for the suggestion.
[11:22] <arraybolt3> Every time I try to launch Unity inside Xephyr it just reloads y whole desktop and kills Chrome in so doing :P
[11:23] <arraybolt3> Also I don't know if the Xephyr window can be resized or scaled :-/
[11:23] <g105b> Maybe a VM would be the best solution here.
[11:24] <g105b> Would also cut the clutter of my desktop setup in the video.
[11:45] <imi> hello, can I open a "files" (file explorer) window from commandline?
[11:46] <ravage> nautilus
[11:49] <Habbie> or xdg-open .
[12:22] <FKAShinobi> Is there a print to pdf "printer" to install in 22.04?
[12:25] <ravage> https://i.imgur.com/Ef5ZqZB.png
[12:32] <FKAShinobi> ravage: where is that dialog ?
[12:33] <ravage> it is Ubuntu's system print dialog
[12:33] <FKAShinobi> Gnome Settings?
[12:34] <ravage> no. you press print in an application
[12:34] <FKAShinobi> It's not working for Open Office Writer.
[12:35] <FKAShinobi> That's why I though I had to install something
[12:35] <ravage> File -> Export as -> PDF
[12:35] <ravage> i only have libreoffice
[12:35] <ravage> that comes with ubuntu
[12:37] <FKAShinobi> ravage: Sorry.That's what I have too. I still call it OO sometimes by mistake.
[12:37] <FKAShinobi> Although I'm curious about other apps now. I would think there would just be a virtual printer that is recognized by all apps.
[12:38] <ravage> yes
[12:38] <ravage> see my screenshot
[12:38] <FKAShinobi> It probably would have taken me a while to find the export to pdf. Thank you!
[12:38] <ravage> if an application uses a custom print dialog there is nothing ubuntu can do about it
[12:38] <ravage> and it actually works in libre office too
[12:39] <ravage> you just have to switch the printer from generic to "print to file"
[12:39] <FKAShinobi> I see. I didn't realize it's using a custom dialog.
[12:39] <FKAShinobi> I just went to the text editor and see it works fine
[12:41] <FKAShinobi> Oh, I didn't see the print to file option in LO Writer, just generic printer. It has type SGENPRT, but it errored when I attempted to print with it.
[12:45] <WeeBey98> Morning... So I needed to install some Nvidia package (I think it was CUDA). Then my suspend stopped working. And now it flickers when I close the lid then open again. It's so frustrating!
[12:46] <WeeBey98> to remove all nvidia stuff, do I use dpkg -r ?
[12:46] <WeeBey98> (or dpkg -P)
[12:51] <trur> Hi, I'm trying to tunnel a l2tp vpn connection through an openvpn connection. I am not sure but I thought it worked at some point but it doesn't anymore. I suspect I need to somehow tell the second vpn connection to use the tun0 device and not the actual wlan interface. Has anyone done something like this? Any tips?
[12:52] <trur> I'm trying to do this with NetworkManager
[13:41] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:42] <luna_> hi
[14:19] <p3lim> I'm using systemd-boot instead of grub on my system, but on upgrades grub will install itself again, how can I prevent this from happening? I can't just remove the package
[15:14] <tommyfun> is there any reason not to remove open-iscsi from a vm running 22.04?
[15:14] <tommyfun> I'm going through the minimum install of a 22.04 server
[15:27] <OrcD3vil> anyone have a good samba article for settings up shares, directory, perm, etc read a few and little confused
[15:50] <jhutchins> tommyfun: There's no reason to have it unless you're using iscsi.
[15:55] <root> hello
[15:55] <SteelRose> hi root
[15:55] <leftyfb> !root | Guest2551
[15:55] <leftyfb> bah
[15:55] <leftyfb> !rootirc | Guest2551
[15:56] <Guest2551> what is this
[15:57] <leftyfb> Guest2551: this is an IRC support channel for Ubuntu
[16:17] <rollappuser> hi
[16:17] <rollappuser> estfht
[16:17] <rollappuser> etyhrd
[16:17] <rollappuser> eth
[16:17] <rollappuser> he
[16:17] <rollappuser> he
[16:17] <rollappuser> e
[16:17] <rollappuser> he
[16:18] <luna_> hey
[16:18] <rollappuser> e
[16:18] <rollappuser> ef
[16:18] <rollappuser> e
[16:18] <rollappuser> e
[16:18] <rollappuser> e
[16:18] <luna_> !op
[16:18] <rollappuser> e
[16:22] <tommyfun> jhutchins: thanks
[16:26] <luna_> anyone knows the irc channel for Ubuntu on Air?
[16:33] <luna_> found it #ubuntu-on-air there is soon a stream about the new minor LTS version updates
[17:09] <luna_> Delayed until 5th March lets watch Mountainbytes demoparty then
[17:09] <ravage> still OT
[17:31] <elias_a_> Is there an app for Ubuntu that could stream video to Chromecast with subtitles? VLC can't do it.
[17:33] <elias_a_> Burning subtitles to the images is a bit inconvenient if one uses subtitles in multiple languages...
[17:33] <leftyfb> elias_a_: it's just a video stream. I don't think there's a provision to pass a separate stream of data for subtitles. Nothing to do with ubuntu
[17:35] <elias_a_> leftyfb: You are wrong. There are solutions to this. As the question was "Is there an app for Ubuntu..." it has to do with Ubuntu.
[17:36] <leftyfb> elias_a_: am I wrong? Can you show me where Chromecast supports sending a subtitles file separately from the video stream?
[17:37] <leftyfb> elias_a_: you could use plex. That would incorporate your subtitles file with the video stream
[17:38] <elias_a_> leftyfb: I am not saying a chromecast unit can receive a separate subtitle stream. What I am saying is there several sw for windoze that claim to be able to do this somehow...
[17:38] <elias_a_> leftyfb: TY - I'll check plex.
[17:39] <leftyfb> elias_a_: yes, I'm pretty sure they transcode the video file to incorporate the subtitles while streaming
[17:40] <elias_a_> leftyfb: That is very likely.
[17:42] <ogra> the only app i know for streaming to chromecast (beyond chromium (i didnt know vlc can !)) is mkchromecast ... but that only streams whatever local content you play i dont think you could add subtitles
[17:43] <Sven_vB> hi :) I'm using lightdm on focal. for some of the more heacy startup tasks of my sessions, I'd like to add a pre-check that skips them if startup seems unstable. my current idea is to determine how often lightdm has started a session for the current user in the previous four hours. is that a good approach? does lightdm already have that kind of startup logging or do I need to roll my own?
[17:44] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: this sounds like a very custom project
[17:47] <Sven_vB> the decision part, yes. for the login loggin, I have hopes there might be something like auth.log for SSH.
[17:48] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: what does SSH have to do with an "unstable" startup of lightdm?
[17:49] <Sven_vB> nothing. :) SSH is an example of a login method that I see in /var/log/auth.log. I don't see lightdm in there, though.
[18:11] <ninunin> arraybolt3, are you here?
[18:13] <ninunin> how to set write permission on new ext4 hdd, this is my second hdd and i want to use it as a backup i need full access not root
[18:37] <BinarySavior> how can I benchmark the speed of a vps?
[18:44] <jhutchins> BinarySavior: Speed at what?  Doing what?
[18:49] <Sven_vB> BinarySavior, find a workload that's similar to what you're planning on doing, run it a few tens to thousands of times in parallel, measure the time it takes.
[18:51] <chacha> which should i install on an old Dell PP18L?Lubuntu?
[18:54] <jhutchins> chacha: Which do you want to use?
[18:54] <chacha> a light simple one (general purpose)
[18:55] <ravage> core2duo? that at least supports 64bit
[18:55] <chacha> Dell PP18L
[18:56] <ravage> most of those mashines had like 2GB of RAM. so maybe try xubuntu
[18:56] <chacha> that's heavier than lubuntu?
[18:56] <ravage> no
[18:56] <ravage> https://xubuntu.org/requirements/
[18:57] <chacha> ok
[18:57] <chacha> which is the absolute lightest one?
[18:57] <ravage> ubuntu server on a text console
[18:58] <chacha> and for desktop?
[18:58] <ravage> of the here supported flavours probably xubuntu
[18:59] <chacha> is lubuntu supported here?
[18:59] <ravage> yes
[18:59] <ravage> https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavours
[19:01] <chacha> thank you
[19:01] <ravage> https://ubuntu-mate.org/about/requirements/ may work too
[19:02] <ravage> but with every current linux you will always be around the minimum requirements with your hardware
[19:02] <ravage> especially if you plan to open more than 2 tabs on a modern browser
[19:03] <chacha> yes hate when it freezes
[19:03] <chacha> is there no way of solving that issue? (i mean having it stop before)
[19:04] <ravage> the system should kill your browser process before that happens
[19:04] <chacha> yes i agree
[19:04] <chacha> why don't they do it so?
[19:04] <ravage> every modern ubuntu will do that
[19:05] <ravage> the oom killer will kill it
[19:05] <chacha> oh nice
[19:07] <chacha> is 18.04 supported for 10 years?
[19:09] <ravage> !ubuntupro | caccha
[19:10] <chacha> where can you get the ubuntu cds?
[19:10] <ravage> i think they stopped producing those over a decade ago
[19:11] <chacha> :)
[19:11] <Endington543> :)
[19:11] <chacha> ok, thanks for help
[19:12] <ravage> yw. and the answer to 18.04 is yes. if you get ubuntu pro
[19:12] <ravage> if not support ends in a month or so
[19:12] <chacha> :)
[19:25] <xMopx> one of my units shows `Before=multi-user.target` when i run `systemctl show -p Before myunit.service`, but i don't have that set in the unit or in an override. How do I figure out where it's coming from?
[20:10] <ShaedS> okay I'm still having issues witht his openvpn
[20:12] <cart_> Hey is it possible to see Ubuntus source code? Or what about Ubuntu Touchs source code?
[20:13] <ShaedS> of coures it's open source
[20:13] <cart_> ShaedS: Yea but I am having a hard time finding the actual source of Ubuntu Touch
[20:13] <ShaedS> oh
[20:14] <ShaedS> yeah i enver actually bothered to look at the source of any os i used so idk
[20:14] <ravage> cart_: https://matrix.to/#/#ubports:matrix.org
[20:14] <ravage> there is #ubports too i think. should be linked?
[20:16] <ravage> cart_: https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction/index.html has the source repo linked too
[20:19] <rollappuser> hihiihihi
[20:31] <ShaedS> I followed this but no luck https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/service-openvpn
[20:31] <jhutchins> ShaedS: What did you try to do?  How did you try to do it?  What did you expect to happen?  What happened instead?
[20:31] <jhutchins> "Doesn't work" is a null statement.
[20:32] <ShaedS> yeah i'm trying ot pastebin the journel log thing
[20:33] <jhutchins> ShaedS: Try describing what happened.  Don't expect us to read logs for you.
[20:35] <ShaedS> I followed the guide, when I tried to run the openvpn server the server failed to start...
[20:35] <ShaedS> not very descriptive errors either : Feb 24 20:33:56 localhost systemd[1]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
[20:35] <ShaedS> oh wait
[20:35] <ShaedS> i think i see what's oging on here
[20:35] <ShaedS> somethings missing that shouldn't be lol
[20:36] <ShaedS> and I just covered those 4 items just above in the guide .... something is wrong my system didn't take the command or process those files
[20:36] <ShaedS> i'm looking at it now
[20:38] <ShaedS> in myserver.conf I have "ca ca.crt" /should/ it be "ca /etc/openvpn/ca.crt" if the config file is in the same directory, /etc/openvapn/ ?
[20:39] <ravage> just try it? takes 10 seconds
[20:39] <ShaedS> .......... "no such file"
[20:40] <ShaedS> i see the file when I ls in /etc/openvpn/ ..........
[20:40] <ravage> maybe you did write openvapn again?
[20:40] <ShaedS> https://pastebin.com/Nk8U6BGn
[20:41] <ShaedS> what do you mean write openvpn again
[20:44] <ravage> can you start it manually?
[20:44] <ShaedS> what do you mean
[20:44] <ravage> openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/myserver.conf
[20:46] <ShaedS> i haven't trried that yet
[20:46] <ShaedS> bvut mvoing the stuff to etc/openvpn/server seemed to do
[20:46] <ShaedS> but now i gotta find that dh
[20:47] <ravage> you can generate it yourself if it does not exist
[20:47] <ravage> or just comment it out
[20:48] <ShaedS> ah ok just a couple of small things were wrong int he guide
[20:51] <arkanoid> -> how can I do an upgrade when it says "The following packages have been kept back"?
[20:51] <arkanoid> I'm already using the flag "--with-new-pkgs"
[20:52] <arkanoid> but it keeps refusing installing "gnome-remote-desktop grub-efi-amd64-bin grub-efi-amd64-signed python3-software-properties shim-signed software-properties-common software-properties-gtk"
[20:52] <ravage> !phasedupdates | arkanoid
[20:52] <ShaedS> now to test the client
[20:53] <ravage> arkanoid: quick fix: apt upgrade package1 package2 package3
[20:53] <arkanoid> ravage: thanks, but how can I assure they are phased and not due to other problem? is phasing the only plausible answer here?
[20:54] <arkanoid> ok that worked (so they were now phased?)
[20:54] <arkanoid> quite confused here
[20:55] <ravage> arkanoid: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html
[20:55] <ravage> the safe way is to just wait
[20:55] <arkanoid> ok, thanks!
[20:56] <arkanoid> now I know, I've bookmarked the page
[21:01] <ViatonWidz[m]> arkanoid: "APT::Get::Phase-Policy 1;" will turn off the annoying "held back" messages while still allowing for phase updates. Put the option in a .conf file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ When the updates are ready to be installed, they'll just appear as regular updates.
[21:01] <arkanoid> ViatonWidz[m]: I'm ok with in, now that I know what's the reason
[21:08] <arkanoid> another completely different problem. I'm getting "system problem detected" reporst, suggesting me to report problem, out of nowhere and with no visible error or problem or dmesg line
[21:08] <arkanoid> looks like a false positive, but unsure
[21:12] <alkisg> arkanoid: sudo ls /var/crash
[21:13] <arkanoid> wow, pretty old crashes there
[21:14] <arkanoid> I have crash there older than 3 weeks
[21:14] <arkanoid> and actually one very recent
[21:14] <arkanoid> thanks! now I know the culprit, it's gstreamer plugin scanner
[22:00] <larry> anyone her?
[22:01] <Pruners> y I'm her.... err... here
[22:01] <ravage> why does the gender matter?
[22:01] <Pruners> larry said is anyone 'her'
[22:01] <larry> sorry, typo :)   here
[22:01] <Pruners> we are here to comfort you, Larry.
[22:02] <larry> evolution suddenly after long time using wont send emails, will receive
[22:02] <Pruners> what port you specified for the smtp server?
[22:03] <ravage> my guess is that it's not evolution but your mail provider changed something?
[22:03] <larry> thouht maybe because using it through phon e so deleted the phones email setup but no difference. also tried reinstalling from a known working backup
[22:04] <oerheks> login to your mail with a browser, and see what is wrong there?
[22:05] <larry> phone emails work ok but not on computer tethered to the phone.. it did for a while, the phone bit is new as have moved to house without land line
[22:05] <oerheks> if you could not recieve, i would say your mailbox is full...
[22:05] <Pruners> do you have it working successfully working on any other computer?
[22:07] <larry> don't have any other working computer.. it is definitely softwar problem. it hapned whe I cceated a boot usb stick, as it completed  computer crashed never done thta before. since then no send on emails
[22:08] <larry> is working on phone though
[22:12] <larry> bye for now, thanks for listening
[22:15] <ravage> #wecare
[22:17] <jhutchins> Lartza: What do your mail logs say?
[22:17] <jhutchins> Lartza: Sorry.
[22:25] <Guest916> My ubuntu machine restarted and now wifi and wired usb lan isn't working
[22:25] <Guest916> gnome scaling is all thrown off too
[22:25] <jhutchins> Guest916: So what are you on now?
[22:25] <Guest916> communicating from a nearby windows machine
[22:26] <jhutchins> Guest916: What did you change or do before you rebooted?
[22:26] <EriC^> Guest916: what does 'rfkill list' give?
[22:26] <Guest916> nothing returns
[22:26] <Guest916> jhutchins I don't think I changed anything
[22:26] <Guest916> I think I uninstalled the latest kernel
[22:27] <Guest916> which was causing performance issues
[22:27] <Guest916> "apt remove linux-modules-extra-5.19.0-32-generic"
[22:28] <EriC^> Guest916: reinstall the package
[22:28] <Guest916> I can't
[22:28] <Guest916> checking
[22:28] <EriC^> that's actually not the kernel, it's modules
[22:28] <EriC^> what does 'uname -r' give?
[22:28] <Guest916> 5.19.0-32-generic
[22:28] <Guest916> oh, so I'm still on the problematic kernel
[22:28] <EriC^> yeah
[22:28] <Guest916> but no performance issues at the moment
[22:29] <Guest916> okay, I'm just going to remove the actual kernel then
[22:29] <jhutchins> Guest916: It might be possible to boot to the previous kernel, which might still have modules.
[22:29] <EriC^> ok
[22:29] <EriC^> Guest916: btw you can reinstall the modules thing
[22:29] <jhutchins> Guest916: I wouldn't go deleting things until you figure out what's actually wrong.
[22:29] <EriC^> it's probably still cached in /var
[22:30] <EriC^> Guest916: try sudo apt-get install linux-modul...blabla
[22:30] <Guest916> okay, I feel silly, but sure
[22:31] <cluelessperson> hurray
[22:31] <cluelessperson> it works
[22:31] <natewrench> so ubuntu is stopping flatpak support
[22:32] <cluelessperson> So question
[22:32] <cluelessperson> The updated kernel caused me severe performance issues
[22:32] <cluelessperson> but as I just found
[22:32] <cluelessperson> it seemed fine without the modules installed.
[22:32]  * cluelessperson upgrades
[22:34] <leftyfb> natewrench: no
[22:35] <ravage> damn. and i was so proud that nobody reacted to the troll
[22:35] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: Well, of course it performed well, it wasn't doing anything.
[22:35] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: Instead of removing random packages, try just booting to the previous kernel.
[22:37] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: You can also do some performance analysis with the later kernel if you want to find out what specific component was causing the trouble.
[22:41] <Eickmeyer> sort
[22:56] <cluelessperson> jhutchins, I did, and chose to remove the latest kernel because
[23:08] <TuxBlackEdo> Is there any way to keep my bios from changing the boot order when I install a (U)EFI based OS? I would like PXE to have priority booting before the hard drive, but this always changes when I install an (U)EFI based os. Is there something I can be pointed to to try and modify my bios or the (U)EFI firmware contained within?
[23:11] <EriC^> TuxBlackEdo: from ubuntu no, you might have some option in the bios though
[23:14] <sarnold> TuxBlackEdo: your bios may have some "antivirus protection" or something to mark those areas read-only
[23:14] <sarnold> TuxBlackEdo: it normally seems to cause more problems than it solves, but it might be just the thing for this?
[23:39] <elwisp> i wish we had something better than nfs
[23:40] <elwisp> mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting (null)
[23:40] <leftyfb> elwisp: try cifs
[23:40] <leftyfb> elwisp: though, it looks like your issue is a misconfiguration issue
[23:42] <elwisp> leftyfb: nah, i have used this setup for years
[23:42] <elwisp> or, i mean, its always config problems
[23:43] <sarnold> i've had 'try openafs' on my todo list for a few decades..
[23:44] <elwisp> I just dont understand, everyone uses NFS everyday for production
[23:44] <elwisp> but in my house it breaks down in a strange way regurarly
[23:47] <elwisp> sarnold: is that in ubuntu now?
[23:49] <sarnold> elwisp: yeah, it's been there for ages https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openafs
[23:50] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: Do you know how to make the older kernel the default?
[23:51] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: Without removing the newer one?
[23:51] <cluelessperson> jhutchins, I do not.   I accidentally removed the kernel-modules package rather than the new kernel.
[23:55] <cluelessperson> jhutchins, but I am interested knowing how you'd handle it


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 hey gents anyone know where i can get a list of australian professional support partners for ubuntu? looking at buying support
[00:53] <k1l> i think that would be canonical
 dawn stone evolves kirlia and snorunt for more tips like this just ask me LAMBODIE da pokemaster and join #LAMBODIE-CLAN server for da hangout of da best pokemon XY clan on da net.
[01:55] <SmallR2002> third message in an hour
[02:00] <k1l> SmallR2002: thank you for the report
[02:01] <k1l> i removed the user from the channel
[02:05] <k1l> no he spamms in my PM :X
[02:10] <k1l> SmallR2002: if you get more PMs from him please submit to #freenode since its their area of responibility. thank you for report
[02:22] <SmallR2002> wasn't sure if this place was big enough to have some freenodians in it
[02:22] <SmallR2002> pokemon spam... who'd have thought it?
[02:24] <k1l> i kicked the user and told him to not spam in PMs since several users reported it. now i get spam in PM too. but there is nothing we can do about it in here. that needs to be taken by freenode staff itself so please talk to them in #freenode
 dont trust ppa trust me
[07:48] <bazhang> I trust neither
[07:51] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu SlickRIck hit and run "cash earning" link spam
[11:46] <ikonia> hello KatieWhite
[13:42] <TheQueen> Hey everyone
[13:43] <LjL> oh no
[15:31] <Pici> DJones: the plan is to let people skip releases when going to an LTS?
[15:32] <DJones> For 12.10 only, because 12.10's EOL is a few months after 13.04 goes EOL, in theory you could be using 12.10 without an upgrade path to 13.04, so when I asked a while back, the reply was that the plan was to have an upgrade path from 12.10 to 14.04 for those people
[15:41] <DJones> I can't remember who it was I spoke with about it at the time and I've changed servers so my old logs have gone
[16:15] <genii> !time
[16:15] <genii> Hm.
[17:10] <TheQueen> wat the heck happened to this channel?
[17:10] <Myrtti> what do you mean by that?
[17:10] <Pici> LjL: ^
[17:11] <TheQueen> this use to be #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:11] <Myrtti> nope
[17:11] <Pici> TheQueen: You're being forwarded here.  I believe  that LjL wanted to speak to you.
[18:05]  * Pici hands ikonia some aspirin
[18:07] <ikonia> thankfully I won't be needing it as I'm not picking up that mess
[20:31] <Pici> the linux one
[20:32] <genii> Heh