[00:00] <brightspark> pooltable: see package cups-pdf
[00:01] <cyphase> the teminal is awesome. i split a multi-gb file earlier, and am now combining it and sending the result to two different drives
[00:01] <cyphase> with cat and tee
[00:02] <bekks> would be much more nice if just dumping the output to stdout and piping it to different targets.
[00:02] <BlouBlou> and, second question; is it recommendable having my country's server as default (for updates, ...), or should I use the main one?
[00:02] <bekks> BlouBlou: the next server (geopgraphically) is ok.
[00:02] <Gentoo64> BlouBlou: use a local one
[00:03] <BlouBlou> bekks, Gentoo64: Okay
[00:03] <kg> How do I enlarge the xchat window?
[00:03] <JViz> splnet: it looks like bitbake itself doesn't have the gcc-3 dependency, just this particular build i'm looking at
[00:03] <Gentoo64> kg: same as usual...
[00:04] <splnet> JViz: C or c++? if its C, its probably easy to fix the code
[00:05] <Glitchy> anyone out here know much about setting up a vm on ubuntu 11?
[00:05] <Gentoo64> Glitchy: virtualbox?
[00:06] <pooltable> i have it installed it where does the file go ?
[00:06] <Glitchy> yeah virtual machine/virtual box. never messed with them before, was advised to learn, but the tuts online are just confusing me...
[00:06] <Gentoo64> Glitchy: its very easy. just ask as you go
[00:07] <Glitchy> What will I need to get started?
[00:07] <Gentoo64> virtualbox
[00:07] <Gentoo64> and some hdd space
[00:07] <Glitchy> I was going to use vmserver, but passed on that
[00:07] <Gentoo64> i would use virtualbox
[00:07] <Glitchy> alright bb in a secf
[00:08] <akm22562> hi all. i just upgraded to 11.10. when my screensaver kicks in i can wake it up but screen stays blank. can anybody offer any tips?
[00:09] <Glitchy> Gentoo64 is virtualbox ose what I should use?
[00:09] <Gentoo64> Glitchy: whats the other one? (if there is one)
[00:09] <pooltable> save a url to pdf format
[00:09] <Glitchy> akm22562 try messing with the power save options and screen saver options
[00:09] <Glitchy> no other option via ubuntu software manager
[00:09] <Gentoo64> ok use ose then
[00:10] <brightspark> pooltable: on my machine it is in ~/PDF
[00:10] <Gentoo64> im not sure if youll manually need to install things like the guest additions, or extension pack
[00:10] <Glitchy> Will I need a copy of XP on disc?
[00:10] <Gentoo64> Glitchy: or an iso
[00:10] <Gentoo64> isos are better (faster)
[00:10] <zykotick9> Glitchy, what version of ubuntu are you using?  VBox-OSE doesn't have USB support.  The new free Virtualbox does.
[00:10] <Glitchy> k, that's something I may struggle with, because I need to slipstream the iso in order to add the laptop drivers
[00:11] <Gentoo64> zykotick9: you can download the extensions from the website cant you
[00:11] <pooltable> brightspark ok what do i need to do ?
[00:11] <zykotick9> Gentoo64, i don't know?  Certainly VBox will download them for you.
[00:11] <splnet> Glitchy: you can also download vmplayer for free
[00:12] <Gentoo64> zykotick9: i mean for the ose version
[00:12] <JViz> splnet: i don't know, i'm going to try to figure out
[00:12] <zykotick9> Gentoo64, not sure man
[00:12] <zykotick9> splnet, why recommend proprietary software?
[00:13] <Glitchy> create new hard disk or use existing one?
[00:13] <Gentoo64> Glitchy: create new
[00:13] <Glitchy> dynamic or fixed
[00:13] <Gentoo64> Glitchy: up to you
[00:13] <Glitchy> storage lol
[00:13] <Gentoo64> i make mine fixed
[00:13] <Glitchy> right on
[00:13] <Gentoo64> its faster than dynamically expanding
[00:14] <splnet> zykotick9: because I found vmplayer to work well. Plus its free
[00:14] <brightspark> pooltable: don't know, I installed it a while back.  I would open my home folder and look to see a folder called pdf, if it isnt there I can't help
[00:14] <Andrewx> Hello, I got the GUI for upgrading my ubuntu install to 11.10 and I accidently cancelled it, how do i resume the upgrade of 11.04 to 11.10?
[00:14] <brightspark> JViz: http://debian.speedblue.org/packages/gcc-3.4-x86-64_3.4.6-1_i386.deb
[00:14] <zykotick9> Glitchy, the downsize is that fixed allocates all the space to begin with.
[00:14] <Glitchy> I've done this once before, but it always stalls out at creating the fixed storage device
[00:14] <Gentoo64> hmm should be ok...
[00:15] <Gentoo64> check in the main settings windows under preferences if theres anything under extensions also
[00:15] <Glitchy> how long should it take to create the storage medium?
[00:15] <Gentoo64> to see if it comes with them preinstalled
[00:15] <Gentoo64> Glitchy: takes me about 1-2 mins for 15gb
[00:15] <Glitchy> k it's still sitting at 0%
[00:15] <Andrewx> [20:14] <Andrewx> Hello, I got the GUI for upgrading my ubuntu install to 11.10 and I accidently cancelled it, how do i resume the upgrade of 11.04 to 11.10?
[00:15] <Gentoo64> it depends on the drive speed
[00:16] <zykotick9> splnet, it may be "free" as in cost, but it's certainly not free as in freedom.  VBox as well as KVM/libvirt have some technical advantages over VMWare as well.
[00:16] <cousteau> "Print to PDF file" isn't working on gedit (ubuntu 10.10, installed from ubuntu minimal). No error message; the pdf file just doesn't get generated.
[00:16] <pooltable> brightspark ok  got it thanks been at this for hours to get to work for free thanks
[00:16] <cousteau> it works on other programs such as geany, though
[00:16] <Glitchy> what is KVM?
[00:16] <brightspark> pooltable: glad to hear it
[00:16] <Andrewx> Does anyone know about upgrading Ubuntu?
[00:17] <Glitchy> what about it?
[00:17] <brightspark> When I try to use totem to play youtube videos, I get an error message "Gstreamer encountered a general supporting library error."  I have never been able to use this feature, so I don't suspect a recent update as the cause.  Can anyone help me troubleshoot this?
[00:17] <Andrewx> I cancelled in the middle of an upgrade via GUI.
[00:17] <zykotick9> Glitchy, KVM is more for servers then desktop VMs (i wouldn't recommend it for your use)
[00:17] <Andrewx> I need to resue the GUI upgrade.
[00:17] <Glitchy> right on
[00:17] <Andrewx> How can I do so>
[00:17] <Andrewx> ?
[00:17] <Glitchy> ...Gentoo64...should it still be sitting at 0%?
[00:18] <cousteau> it works on evince too... but not on gedit. Why could this be happening?
[00:20] <Glitchy> zykotick9 can you help me any? I think VirtualBox OSE stalls out on me during storage medium creation...can you help me?
[00:21] <zykotick9> Glitchy, you could try asking in the #vbox channel perhaps?  good luck.
[00:22] <pooltable> need help on picking out grafix card under $300 it 2 betterer then one?
[00:22] <Glitchy> over there...no one's responding...I'll try elsewhere, wish Gentoo64 would come back from afk...
[00:24] <seven> hi, I'm having connection issues on 10.04.
[00:24] <bekks> seven: define "connection issues" please
[00:24] <bekks> !explain seven
[00:26] <cyphase> hmm, nautilus doesn't warn you when moving a file bigger than 4GB to a fat32 partition
[00:26] <bekks> cyphase: Why should it?
[00:26] <seven> I checked "enable networking" and it says "wired network - disconnected." there is no option to connect to any network connections.
[00:26] <seven> I'm kind of new to this, sorry.
[00:27] <cyphase> bekks, because fat32 can only have files up to 4GB
[00:28] <bekks> cyphase: I know, yes.
[00:28] <An-iSociaL> fat32 goes to 32gb
[00:28] <cyphase> bekks, i dont get it
[00:28] <bekks> cyphase: I still dont see the point why your file manage should warn you about whatever.
[00:28] <cousteau> An-iSociaL, never saw that... using some sort of PAE or something?
[00:29] <lambo_man_r2> can someone please help me?
[00:29] <cyphase> bekks, seems fairly obvious to me
[00:29] <philwong> Hello
[00:29] <An-iSociaL> which are we talking about
[00:29] <bekks> cyphase: I dont think so.
[00:29] <An-iSociaL> the file size cant exceed 3gb
[00:29] <An-iSociaL> the filesystem cant exceed 32gb
[00:29] <philwong> Mint is a prettier version of Ubuntu
[00:29] <cyphase> bekks, it gave me an error once i reached 4GB copies
[00:29] <bekks> cyphase: Yes.
[00:30] <philwong> do they have a seperate support channel?
[00:30] <bekks> philwong: yes.
[00:30] <pangolin> !mintsupport
[00:30] <An-iSociaL> yea im going to shutup
[00:30] <cyphase> bekks, so why not just corrupt the fs? it shouldnt baby people, right?
[00:30] <philwong> whats it callde
[00:30] <cyphase> lol
[00:30] <bekks> cyphase: because the fs wont corrupt.
[00:30] <philwong> bekks:
[00:30] <pangolin> philwong:  #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org
[00:30] <philwong> thanks
[00:31] <lambo_man_r2> CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME?
[00:31] <pangolin> !ask
[00:31] <okee> This is not a channel for catharsis.
[00:31] <chaospsychex> msg nickserv identify jagger
[00:31] <okee> :0
[00:32] <pangolin> chaospsychex: you will want to chnge your password :)
[00:32] <pangolin> change*
[00:32] <cyphase> bekks, can you give me a reason why it should not warn before starting to copy, instead of when it reaches 4GB?
[00:32] <chaospsychex> lol
[00:32] <lambo_man_r2> whats the diff tween 11.04 amd 11.10?
[00:32] <An-iSociaL> uhm
[00:32] <cousteau> about 0.06
[00:32] <An-iSociaL> software updates?
[00:32] <zykotick9> cyphase, nautilus is probably not aware you're using a crappy filesystem (why should it)
[00:32] <bekks> cyphase: Yes. Because those kinds of limitations are not part of the responsibility of your user-space user-driven file manager, but these are limitations of a filesystem.
[00:32] <cousteau> oh, and 11.10 uses unity under gnome3
[00:32] <lambo_man_r2> actually
[00:33] <An-iSociaL> you should find a changelog
[00:33] <okee> I am experiencing difficulty in booting from a DVDRW that has Ubuntu.  I did an md5 checksum and it comes back ok.  I get error indicating that ata4, ata5, ata6 SATA link down.  What does that mean?  Is there a way to boot from the internet and download ubuntu that way?  I have the disk in the laptop now.
[00:33] <An-iSociaL> its not going to be a simple answer
[00:33] <cyphase> zykotick9, first, i must defend my honor. this is not my flashdrive :)
[00:33] <brightspark> When I try to use totem to play youtube videos, I get an error message "Gstreamer encountered a general supporting library error."  I have never been able to use this feature, so I don't suspect a recent update as the cause.  Can anyone help me troubleshoot this?
[00:33] <chaos_> anyone send me in the direction of disabling the avahi-daemon. i went through everything i know dealing with init and rc etc files
[00:33] <zykotick9> cyphase, honour restored ;)
[00:33] <lambo_man_r2> i vame here to get answers. not be redirected
[00:33] <chaospsychex> how do i set a new pass using nickserv?
[00:33] <okee> This channel is too busy.  We need an Ubuntu2 channel.
[00:34] <An-iSociaL> okee: what operating systems do you have access to?
[00:34] <bekks> chaospsychex: thats an issue for #freenode
[00:34] <cousteau> there's ubuntu+1 if that's what you're looking for
[00:34] <cyphase> zykotick9, second of all, why shouldn't it? it's a simple check. it checks if there's space on the drive. it could just not bother and give you an error when the drive is full
[00:34] <chaospsychex> can someone tell me why my transfer speeds from my ubuntu ftp server are so damn slow? less than 300kb/sec
[00:34] <cousteau> also there are other ubuntu locale channels
[00:34] <An-iSociaL> okee: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
[00:34] <cousteau> chaospsychex, slow internet connection?
[00:34] <chaos_> or rewrite over "old" data would be cooler!!
[00:34] <An-iSociaL> if you can get onto a windows machine you can use that to make a bootable usb
[00:35] <okee> The computer that I am communicating from now has Win XP 32-bit.  The laptop that I am trying to install Ubuntu on has Win 7 64-bit.  The HP Elitebook 8360w was checked by a technician and the DVDRW player/writer works.
[00:35] <cyphase> zykotick9, and, if there's no space, it gives you the option to continue. so it doesn't have to take away your choice, if that's the issue
[00:35] <An-iSociaL> so use that utility to make a bootable usb
[00:35] <An-iSociaL> cds are so 2000
[00:35] <zykotick9> cyphase, you want to put checks in nautilus if it's using MS file systems, and if so to warn the user they're using a crappy FS?  Personally i user Nautilus for file management, not user management.
[00:35] <chaospsychex> cousteau: no, i am transferring over the local network. my speed should be megabytes per second, not kb/sec
[00:35] <cousteau> oh, local network... ok, it's slow then
[00:36] <chaospsychex> ?
[00:36] <chaos_> anyone send me in the direction of disabling the avahi-daemon. i went through everything i know dealing with init and rc etc files
[00:36] <chaospsychex> theres no reason for it to be this slow
[00:36] <chaospsychex> should be above 1MB/sec at al times
[00:37] <cyphase> zykotick9, so it should honor ext# file-size limitations?
[00:37] <bekks> cyphase: The check wont be wether there is enough space on the drive. the check would be like this "which fs are we copying to? are there limitations? will we get to those limitations? what to do now?"
[00:37] <chromaticwt> how can I do normal alt-tab behavior with the new unity desktop?
[00:37] <An-iSociaL> http://en.kioskea.net/faq/739-disabling-the-avahi-daemon
[00:37] <An-iSociaL> whoever asked
[00:37] <An-iSociaL> i lost tracking
[00:37] <cousteau> what does that daemon do? maybe I can kill it?
[00:38] <lambo_man_r2> did uou guys upgrade to 11.10?
[00:38] <chaospsychex> it's going to take a hour to download a 700mb file, i can download it off the internet faster than i can off my local network??
[00:38]  * cousteau is on 10.10
[00:38] <An-iSociaL> The Avahi daemon is present as default and allows you to discover network resources and get connected to them
[00:38] <cyphase> bekks, if fs == 'fat32' and filesize > 4*GB: print FAT32_WARNING
[00:38] <cyphase> bekks, abstractly :)
[00:38] <chaospsychex> this is baffling
[00:38] <bekks> cyphase: It is all OSS. Implement it.
[00:38] <cousteau> An-iSociaL, ok, so no use on a desktop? or ethernet also counts?
[00:39] <cyphase> bekks, that is not the issue. you said it should not be implemented
[00:39] <chaospsychex> how is it that i can download off the net faster than i can from a server on my local network ?
[00:39] <mateolargo> i'm (trying to) manage a PPA for our company and have hit a bit of a snag
[00:39] <An-iSociaL> discovering network resources means finding other devices on the network
[00:39] <okee> Question:   Will I loose everything on the USB Stick if i install an ISO?  Can it share a memory stick?  Ubuntu is only 32mb.  It is tiny.  I have a 32gb memory stick.
[00:39] <philwong> Whats a better all around OS in terms of fuctionality and suport Ubuntu or Linux Mint?
 whats ur network looking like?
[00:40] <bekks> cyphase: Yes. Because there are about - to my knowledge - about 30+ filesystems out there which devs would have to care about. about 20 of those are heavily changing or are implemented using FUSE.
[00:40] <An-iSociaL> you will lose everything because it will need to be formatted to be bootable okee
[00:40] <chaos_> ubuntu =  support
[00:40] <okee> I am wondering whether or not the DVDs are bad, or whether or not there is an issue with the laptop.  The repair technician things there is an issue with the DVDRWs.....
[00:40] <brightspark> http://paste.ubuntu.com/728652/
[00:40] <brightspark> When I try to use totem to play youtube videos, I get an error message "Gstreamer encountered a general supporting library error."  I have never been able to use this feature, so I don't suspect a recent update as the cause.  Can anyone help me troubleshoot this?
[00:40] <dorr> ubuntu server 11.10,  was mucking about with apache2, didnt really know what i was doing, things didnt turn out quite right, so i deleted /etc/apache2.  i thought i could remove apache and install again and it would create /etc/apache2 again , but it did not.  how can i get it back
[00:40] <philwong> chaos_: and os?
[00:40] <bekks> If you dare to hit fs limits, then dont owe it to your file manager.
[00:40] <chaospsychex> chaos_: looking like? i have a router/gateway. ftp server is on the router and so are the 3 clients
[00:40] <An-iSociaL> okee: likely you have an older drive which doesnt support the bootloader for some reason
[00:40] <chaospsychex> chaos_: only one client is connected to the ftp server
[00:40] <An-iSociaL> ive seen that happen with many different things over the years
[00:41] <cyphase> bekks, fat32 is not heavily changing or using fuse (not sure why fuse matters)
[00:41] <chaospsychex> chaos_: i should be getting way better transfer speeds than this
 have you listened to all the traffic to see if your dos'n yourself with a rougue procees or such
[00:41] <chaospsychex> what?
[00:41] <bekks> cyphase: We are not talking about a FAT32 only check. If implementing checks like these, you would have to implement them on all filesystems.
[00:41] <okee> Hmm.  It gives you the option to format.  What happens if I don't select the option to format?  I think I should transfer the contents of the DVD to the main drive, and the add the contents after ubuntu is burned on there.
[00:41] <An-iSociaL> chaospsychex: how fast are you transferring?
[00:42] <chaospsychex> less than 300kb/sec
[00:42] <An-iSociaL> it will likely fail to boot if you do not format okee
[00:42] <cyphase> bekks, what's wrong with that?
[00:42] <chaospsychex> An-iSocial: what could be limited the transfer speed?
[00:43] <An-iSociaL> what mediums are you transferring from and to chaospsychex ?
[00:43] <osvaldo> hola
[00:43] <bekks> cyphase: The intention. Implementing a check for a single filesystem is just work without a real profit.
[00:43] <An-iSociaL> hola osvaldo
[00:43] <beaconfield> Hello!
 distance matters too. i had a setup (wireless) where i was getting 30kbs and moved ten feet closer and got close to 1mb
[00:43] <osvaldo> que tal de donde sos
[00:43] <pangolin> !es
[00:43] <chaospsychex> An-iSocial: from a mounted ntfs partition on the ftp server, to a ext4 partition on the client
[00:43] <bekks> cyphase: But still. It is all OSS. You are free to implement it.
[00:43] <chaospsychex> i am 15ft away from the server
[00:44] <Reidy> Sorry to ask it again but, I got a little problem with my ubuntu 11.10, running on a lenovo ideapad U460 (and installed via netinstall). When I start the distro, it show me that : http://pastebin.com/aB1KQafs in a black background. I updated the system with the latest update and so, and I don't know how to correct it, I can access to the console mode, but nothing else.
 are you wireless?
[00:44] <chaospsychex> i get download speeds off the internet several MB/sec
[00:44] <dorr> ubuntu server 11.10,  was mucking about with apache2, didnt really know what i was doing, things didnt turn out quite right, so i deleted /etc/apache2.  i thought i could remove apache and install again and it would create /etc/apache2 again , but it did not.  how can i get it back?
[00:44] <chaospsychex> the server is wired to the router
[00:44] <okee> ok.  I will clear off the USB stick.  I suspect there is a compatibility issue with Fuji DVDRWs.  I did telephone them, and they requested that I send the disk back to them.  Ironically the disk seem to work with my Lighton drive, but they won't work with several other laptops.  The repair store told me they tested them on three different laptops besides mine.
[00:44] <cyphase> bekks, that's beside the point. what do you mean work without profit?
[00:44] <chaospsychex> the client is wirelessly, yes
[00:44] <chaospsychex> doesn't explain this slow transfer speed though
[00:44] <chaos_> is the client or server the one your on and complainging about?
[00:45] <cyphase> bekks, is your whole argument based on time spent by the developers to implement it?
[00:45] <An-iSociaL> sounds pretty common actually okee
[00:45] <chaospsychex> i'm complaining about the slooooooooow transfer speed and the fact that i can download files off the internet faster than this
[00:45] <chaos_> well wireless technology can have issues such as same freq as a neighbor much people using the same freq
[00:45] <chaospsychex> no thats not it
[00:46] <chaospsychex> i can download this same file over the internet in 10mins
[00:46] <chaos_> try changing the routers wireless channel to say 1,6 or 11
[00:46] <bekks> cyphase: There are a LOT of exception to a general behaviour of a file manager. Implementing checks without a "big picture" on how to handle those exceptions, requirements, exception with a workaround, will result in a pretty unmaintainable software solution.
[00:46] <cyphase> bekks, how is it different from checking for available space? do you support that check?
[00:47] <An-iSociaL> chaospsychex: it could be ftp slowing it down, if you can try another method, perhaps cifs, it may be faster, otherwise it could have to do with the network
[00:47] <An-iSociaL> gigabit networks i get 40MB/s
[00:47] <An-iSociaL> 100mbit i get like 10MB/s
[00:47] <LarsN> did the new Open source GMA 500 driver make it into 11.11?
[00:47] <An-iSociaL> there's also the processor consideration
[00:47] <chaospsychex> thats what i am saying
[00:47] <bekks> cyphase: the check is being done when trying to copy a file. you cannot assume to get the "true" result before copying, because there may be changes (file deletions) while copying.
[00:47] <zykotick9> cyphase, the merits of your argument are offtopic for this support channel.  bekks
[00:47] <An-iSociaL> check to see if either processor is pegged
[00:47] <bekks> zykotick9: ack.
[00:48] <chaospsychex> An-iSocial: how ?
 you obviously have a bottleneck on you network. if your runnnig samba improperly misconfigured it can do that. you should monitor the local traffic with say wireshark and see where all this traffic is comming from. i mean you could be hacked and acting in a botnet and not know it..
[00:48] <chaospsychex> ok i will install wireshark
[00:48] <okee> I see some potential problems with the USB installer.  The installer formats to 32-bit, and I am running a 64-bit program.
[00:48] <cyphase> bekks, sure. i have had that situation, which i'm sure is the reaosn nautilus gives you the option to copy anyway. but it lets you know
[00:48] <An-iSociaL> try the command "top" in a shell chaospsychex
[00:48] <cyphase> reason*
[00:49] <chaospsychex> An-iSocial: ok what am i looking for in the output of 'top'
[00:49] <cyphase> zykotick9, sorry, momentum kept me in here :)
[00:49] <An-iSociaL> Cpu(s) chaospsychex
[00:49] <chaos_> avahi-daemon ->die.forever ? please
[00:49] <An-iSociaL> the percentage
[00:50] <bekks> cyphase: Ok, not going to discuss this any further with you. EOD.
[00:50] <chaos_> suppose i will just dissemble Johny 5
[00:50] <chaospsychex> An-iSocial: should i be running that cmd on the server or the client ?
[00:51] <cyphase> bekks, alright. no hard feelings :)
[00:51] <An-iSociaL> i would check both chaospsychex
[00:51] <An-iSociaL> if either are pegged then it will cause an issue
[00:51] <chaos_> all this modern technology and no one knows what to do with it.. i love this game
[00:52] <chaospsychex> An-iSocial: cpu load on server is less than 15%, what do you mean 'pegged' ?
[00:52] <An-iSociaL> pegged >= 98%
[00:52] <chaos_> pegged = 100%
[00:52] <chaos_> haha
[00:52] <chaospsychex> nah it's not pegged, ftp server is using 7% of cpu
[00:53] <An-iSociaL> and the client?
[00:53] <philwong> can someone guide me to the linux mint room? I cannot find it anywhere
[00:53] <An-iSociaL> !mint
[00:53] <philwong> does not work
[00:53] <pangolin> philwong:  /server irc.spotchat.org
[00:53] <chaos_> philwong, your on the ubuntu server.. duh!
[00:53] <chaospsychex> vinagre is using 50% on the client? what is vinagre ?
[00:53] <philwong> pangolin: its in german
[00:54] <An-iSociaL> http://projects.gnome.org/vinagre/
[00:54] <cyphase> chaospsychex, remote desktop viewer
[00:54] <An-iSociaL> vnc client
[00:54] <philwong> spotchat is in german
[00:54] <pangolin> philwong: so? the channel users probably speak in English, did you join the channel?
[00:54] <chaospsychex> thats not it, i disconnected from the server and transfer speed is still slow
[00:55] <chaospsychex> could ssh be doing this?
[00:55] <chaospsychex> ssh server is running on both machines but no one is connected
[00:55] <philwong> pangolin: where do I log in from?
[00:55] <An-iSociaL> its likely its the transfer method
[00:55] <chaospsychex> what do you mean? because i am pulling the file from a mounted ntfs partition ?
[00:55] <pangolin> philwong:  /server irc.spotchat.org and once you are connected you type /join #linuxmint-help
[00:55] <LarsN> chaospsychex: how fast are the machines, on what kind of link, and how big are the files?
[00:56] <An-iSociaL> disk speeds seem fine, cpu is not pegged, the transfer medium is having issues decoding and recoding the file on either end of the transfer
[00:56] <pangolin> philwong: if you need more help with connecting to a server ask in #freenode
[00:56] <philwong> pangolin: ok
[00:56] <chaospsychex> the server is a p4 2gb ram using cat5e to the router
[00:56] <philwong> ok mate
[00:56] <chaospsychex> the client is a amd turion dual core 4gb ram wireless to router
[00:56] <LarsN> chaospsychex: and the client?
[00:56] <pnorman> chaospsychex: I've heard there a speed problems with large files and ntfs in ubuntu - not sure how reliable the reports are, since I don't ever use ntfs connected to my server
[00:56] <LarsN> chaospsychex: and how fast is the transfer going?
[00:57] <chaospsychex> LarsN: currently, 225kb/sec
[00:57] <An-iSociaL> 300kb/s
[00:57] <chaospsychex> 750mb file
[00:57] <An-iSociaL> only 750mb
[00:57] <An-iSociaL> hell i would use a usb stick
[00:57] <chaospsychex> been transfering for 30mins already
[00:57] <chaospsychex> 30mins left
[00:58] <chaospsychex> i need to figure this out, i have hundreds of files i need to transfer that are close to 1gb
[00:58] <An-iSociaL> i would choose a different transfer method
[00:58] <An-iSociaL> smb/cifs seems to still be the best
[00:58] <chaospsychex> i can't use a usb stick
[00:58] <LarsN> chaospsychex: for the sake of comparison, how fast does rsync copy from one machine to the next
[00:59] <chaospsychex> LarsN: rsync ?
[00:59] <LarsN> rsync -avz -e user@server:/path/to/files/ /path/to/where/you/want/them
[00:59] <LarsN> from the client.
[00:59] <chaospsychex> ok let me check....
[01:01] <philwong> mint is a very quiet room
[01:02] <okee> HP Elitebook 8360w will not boot from a USB 3.0 memory stick.  I did change the boot order in the bios, so I don't know what to think.
[01:02] <An-iSociaL> if there an F12 boot option?
[01:03] <Bomba> Hi ubuntu experts. I'm having a problem that i thought you might be able to help me with: I just loaded 11.1 onto my new computer, but it wont recognize my wired ethernet-type internet connection.
[01:03] <Bomba> Rather, it seems to recognize it but says 'wired network disconected: you are now offline'
[01:03] <Crisco> 11.1?
[01:03] <Crisco> oh 11.10
[01:03] <chaospsychex> LarsN: speedup is 51316.20 ??? what did that do? it listed files
[01:03] <cousteau> Crisco, that's 11.10 with the decimals trimmed
[01:03] <chaospsychex> LarsN: it was instant
[01:04] <philwong> a question.... why does ubuntu say it comes with anti-virus and windows does not
[01:04] <Bomba> any thoughts? Ive been trying at this for hours -_-
[01:04] <philwong> when windows viruses dont effect ubuntu
[01:04] <Crisco> cousteau: I figured that a moment after I typed that
[01:04] <chaospsychex> LarsN: want me to past output ?
[01:04] <LarsN> chaospsychex: rsync by default moves directories full of files.
[01:04] <chaospsychex> LarsN: it didn't move anything, just listed
[01:04] <cousteau> philwong, no idea... well, ubuntu (linux in general) doesn't need an antivirus
[01:04] <chromaticwt> anyone know how to get normal alt-tab behavior with ubuntu 11.10?
[01:04] <cousteau> unless you want to put a mail server or something like that
[01:04] <philwong> cousteau: why?
[01:04] <cousteau> or scan other partitions
[01:04] <philwong> when on the internet
[01:04] <LarsN> chaospsychex use a pastebin and sure.
[01:05] <chromaticwt> I want to make alt-tab switch between every window not just between apps.
[01:05] <zykotick9> !virus | philwong
[01:05] <An-iSociaL> okee: i was trying to find an actual answer for you laptop but i cannot find anything on "HP Elitebook 8360w"
[01:05] <An-iSociaL> asin, zero results for even the laptop itself
[01:06] <philwong> I see
[01:06] <Bomba> i read that enterering ivp6 (?) settings could help, but i cant figure out how to get the comp's IP address.
[01:06] <Bomba> for one thing
[01:07] <bandit5432> any one having issues with laptop lcd not blanking or blanking with the backlite still on?
[01:07] <LarsN> anyone know if this made it into 11.11? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTE0NQ
[01:07] <An-iSociaL> Bomba: are there additional drivers for your network card?
[01:07] <okee> hP support has gone to the dogs.  Ever sine Meg Whitman took control there is no support.  I tried logging into the chat area over a week ago, and received an error code indicating there was no support for my product.
[01:08] <An-iSociaL> im using lxde, from the preferences menu theres an option "Additional Drivers", within there they have drivers which require special care to be loaded as they are 3rd party
[01:08] <An-iSociaL> Bomba: ^
[01:08] <bandit5432> LarsN,  its 11.10 and that was added to the kernel tree in 2.6.39  so it should be in 11.10
[01:09] <Bomba> ok. sorry so dumb,but what is lxde?
[01:09] <An-iSociaL> okee: you sure its an 8360w?
[01:09] <philwong> Ubuntu 32-bit (reommended)
[01:09] <philwong> huh?
[01:09] <An-iSociaL> Bomba: just the desktop
[01:09] <philwong> Will it work on 64 bit machine
[01:09] <bandit5432> philwong, yes
[01:09] <tensorpudding> philwong, 32-bit works on 64-bit machines
[01:09] <philwong> ok
[01:09] <An-iSociaL> locate "Additional Drivers" in your start menu somewhere, Bomba
[01:09] <tensorpudding> it's just that 64-bit won't work on 32-bit machines
[01:10] <philwong> why in heavens name does it not suggest 64 bit
[01:10] <bandit5432> if you need to ask if it works then most people then shold stick to 32bit ;)
[01:10] <Bomba> ok, working on that.a thousand thank yous anisocial
[01:10] <bandit5432> should'
[01:10] <tensorpudding> philwong, because 64-bit won't work on 32-bit machines
[01:10] <philwong> ok
[01:10] <chaospsychex> LarsN: http://pastie.org/2813036
[01:10] <LarsN> I'm a big fan of 32bit
[01:11] <tensorpudding> philwong, because until recently there was notable software that didn't work on 64-bit
[01:11] <tpe> Isn't 64-bit going to be the recommended release from precise onwards?
[01:11] <An-iSociaL> indeed bandit5432, i could seriously utilize 64-bit but im nervous of its driver support
[01:11] <philwong> But if you HAVE a 64 bit machine... is it ok to use 64 bit or is 32 better for some reason
[01:11] <philwong> tensorpudding: ahh
[01:11] <tensorpudding> philwong, you won't miss out on hardly anything
[01:11] <LarsN> philwong: 6 to 1, half a dozen to another.
[01:11] <bandit5432> An-iSociaL, what driver are you worried about?
[01:11] <An-iSociaL> specifically video drivers
[01:12] <An-iSociaL> radeon hd4200
[01:12] <LarsN> philwong: I tend to run 32bit most of the time if I have 4gb or less ram.
[01:12] <tensorpudding> philwong, i can think of one program that doesn't work in 64-bit
[01:12] <bandit5432> i am using nvidia running on 64 bit typing this
[01:12] <philwong> tensorpudding: which one is that
[01:12] <An-iSociaL> what card bandit5432 ?
[01:12] <tensorpudding> philwong, zsnes
[01:12] <bandit5432> tensorpudding, and it does not work with ia32libs?
[01:12] <An-iSociaL> im in the market for a new one, would be helpful to know which ones work
[01:12] <philwong> tensorpudding: hahaahahaa EPIC!! ;o
[01:12] <philwong> emulator?
[01:12] <bandit5432> so wrong :P
[01:13] <bandit5432> An-iSociaL, gtx 9800
[01:13] <Bomba> i really must apologize for being totally green, but what is the start menu on ubuntu? the thing you get by pressing the windows key?
[01:13] <tensorpudding> and that's not even accurate anymore, because the version in debian unstable that will soon be making its way into ubuntu can compile on 32-bit with ia32libs
[01:13] <bandit5432> its old i know
[01:13] <LarsN> chaospsychex: leave off the c#howto.7z and it will move the entire contents of the Downloads folder
[01:13] <chaospsychex> LarsN: it took 1min to transfer 15mb using rsync
[01:13] <LarsN> chaospsychex: that's slow.
[01:13] <Ruzu> bomba, yes, i think so, but i'm a newbie too :]
[01:13] <LarsN> how fast is the disk in the dv4?
[01:13] <An-iSociaL> mines older bandit5432 lol
[01:13] <LarsN> 5400rpm?
[01:13] <csdserver> I recently did a switch from unity desktop to a kubuntu desktop manager and things have been slight buggy: main issue is Muon Software Center won't prompt for password but complains about priveleges if I try to install anything.  Anyone know how I can sort this?
[01:14] <An-iSociaL> Bomba:  yes the windows button
[01:14] <bandit5432> An-iSociaL, i think it would work then just look up the 64-bit drivers and see it will be listed or not
[01:14] <chaospsychex> LarsN: i don't know
[01:14] <zorklat> I recently installed a radeon video card, and I have no sound.
[01:14] <chaospsychex> i can download 15mb off the internet in 3 secs
[01:14] <LarsN> chaospsychex: It sounds like either the wireless, or the disk in the dv4 is the shortfall.
[01:14] <chaospsychex> i can download 15mb off the internet in 3 secs, using wireless
[01:14] <LarsN> chaospsychex: can you hook the DV4 into the switch/router and test again for good measure?
[01:15] <Bomba> ok. ive got browse the web,view photos, check email, listen to music. typing preferences into the sarch bar shows Broadcast Preferences?
[01:15] <bandit5432> hmm maybe i need to ask my questions else where
[01:15] <chaospsychex> sure
[01:15] <bandit5432> is there an advanced #ubuntu room?
[01:15] <An-iSociaL> bandit5432: i have no clue what your question was, sorry
[01:15] <An-iSociaL> theres alot of action in here
[01:15] <okee> well I get the exact same problem with the USB install as I do with the cd install, so this raises the issue of what is wrong.  Previously the DVD did come back clean with an MD5 checksum, but I am still getting the error messages that ata4, ata5, ata6, SATA Link down.  What is going on?  Is there something wrong with the install ISO?  A conflict with HP?
[01:16] <ActionParsnip> csdserver: if you change the .desktop in /usr/share/applications to run:  kdesudo software-center    it should be ok
[01:16] <bandit5432> An-iSociaL, its something that is going to be a pain i can for see
[01:16] <An-iSociaL> okee sounds like it doesnt understand your computer
[01:16] <ActionParsnip> okee: What is the model?
[01:17] <Ruzu> <-- spent weeks trying to install ubuntu, until a random google result gave me the secret sauce: residual raid information was on my disks, and the installer went bonkers because of it (there wasn't a raid any more)
[01:17] <philwong> ubuntu needs 15 gig of HD space??
[01:17] <skumara> I'm trying to install this source code from here http://live.gnome.org/GPointingDeviceSettings . first i do ./configure than when I do make I get this error make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop. please help
[01:17] <philwong> good gosh,lol
[01:18] <okee> I have an HP Elitebook 8360w
[01:18] <zorklat> philwong, never in my experience.  you can certainly install that much or more, but not by default.
[01:18] <csdserver> thanks ActionParsnip
[01:18] <okee> There is an error message indicating that DOE doesn't suppuport DPO or FUA.  What does that mean?
[01:18] <philwong> zorklat: its showing that on the system requiremtns for 11.10
[01:18] <bandit5432> skumara, why are you not using the version in the repos?
[01:19] <bandit5432> skumara, apt-get install gpointing-device-settings
[01:19] <skumara> just want to try latest version.
[01:19] <okee> I think I need to hire a sorcerer in order to install Ubuntu.  No ordinary disk is going to work. WE need deep magic :)
[01:19] <zorklat> philwong, admittedly, these days I prefer lubuntu.
[01:19] <bandit5432> the one in the repos is the latest version
[01:19] <Ruzu> where in the filesystem does apt-get put things when you use install?
[01:19] <philwong> zorklat: oh really
[01:19] <philwong> zorklat: why is that
[01:20] <okee> I am going to do a search for the error messages, and see what they mean.
[01:20] <pnorman> Ruzu: I had weird problems on my install until I made a gparted boot drive and wiped out all my raid volumes
[01:20] <okee> Also, it might be worth checking to see if any linux version will work.  I already have a burned version of Sabayon....
[01:20] <skumara> im using 10.04 LTS. the one in repo is version 1.3 and the latest version is 1.5.
[01:20] <ActionParsnip> okee: isit a recent model by HP?
[01:20] <zorklat> philwong, I got into lxde when I was playing WoW -- got like +1 to 2 fps vs gnome 2.x
[01:20] <bandit5432> skumara, sorry i assumed you where using the latest 11.10
[01:20] <zorklat> and now I prefer it, esp to unity, which just doesn't work for me
[01:20] <philwong> zorklat: on wine?
[01:21] <An-iSociaL> okee: final suggestion, check for emulation modes for sata in the bios
[01:21] <bandit5432> gnome 3 fallback mode here
[01:21] <puff> I'm trying to back up my laptop.  I ran into some weird problems iwth rsync, earlier, so I booted into 11.10 liveCD, thinking that maybe the problems were because I was backing up the system while live.  How do I get the partitions mounted?
[01:21] <ActionParsnip> zorklat: lxde uses fewer resources to exist
[01:21] <An-iSociaL> if there are settings, toggle them around and see if you get results
[01:21] <skumara> bandit5432, any idea why the error
[01:21] <bandit5432> skumara, i am looking
[01:21] <zorklat> philwong, yes.  I didn't have XP, and couldn't afford it.
[01:21] <puff> In unity, where's the eqiuvalent of the old Administration menu?
[01:21] <philwong> zorklat: oh I see
[01:21] <zorklat> ActionParsnip, that's why I went to it.
[01:22] <philwong> so anyone can just use windows free
[01:22] <An-iSociaL> indeed ActionParsnip, <3 lubuntu
[01:22] <philwong> but using wine
[01:22] <philwong> lol
[01:22] <chromaticwt> so holding alt after alt-tab switches between windows within a currently selected app.
[01:22] <puff> Hm, found Disk Manager, it won't let me mount the drives, says "the daemon is being inhibited".
[01:23] <zorklat> philwong, it worked fine.  I was getting around 25 fps when I started going to school and gave up on WoW entirely.  and given I used an Nvidia GeForce 7100 w/ 128Mb, that was pretty good.
[01:23] <ActionParsnip> philwong: its not windows, wine translates the directx calls to native linux calls
[01:23] <puff> help?
[01:23] <puff> Sigh.
[01:23] <okee> I have done some checking online, and one of the posts suggests that the controller is the problem and doesn't support the OS.  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-984157.html  Anyone have an idea as to what is going on?  Or how i can get this to work?
[01:23] <philwong> ActionParsnip: thats all?
[01:23] <philwong> it has a program files... system files
[01:23] <An-iSociaL> okee: final suggestion, check for emulation modes for sata in the bios
[01:23] <philwong> it looks pretty windows to me
[01:24] <An-iSociaL> (repost)
[01:24] <zorklat> philwong, yes, that's how wine works.  And it works pretty well.
[01:24] <ActionParsnip> philwong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_%28software%29
[01:24] <okee> Yes, this is a recent model of HP.  Supposedly this is supposed to run Linux, but the online postings give me some doubts.  The postings suggest it isn't compatible with the controller http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-984157.html
[01:24] <bandit5432> skumara, i dont know
[01:24] <skilz_> what do I need to install to watch youtube flash videos?
[01:24] <skilz_> Says im missing a plugin
[01:24] <skumara> bandit5432, its ok.
[01:24] <ActionParsnip> philwong: it only gives part of the functionality just in a similar fashion. It's not windows
[01:24] <skumara> thanks'
[01:24] <chromaticwt> ubuntu needs better documentation
[01:25] <bandit5432> skumara, let me download the source real quick and see what i get
[01:25] <philwong> ActionParsnip: I see
[01:25] <An-iSociaL> philwong:
[01:25] <An-iSociaL> http://www.cedega.com/
[01:25] <An-iSociaL> theyve tweaked wine for the intention of gaming
[01:26] <philwong> An-iSociaL: very cool
[01:26] <philwong> An-iSociaL: are those games usable on linux?
[01:26] <An-iSociaL> under cedega
[01:26] <zorklat> skilz_, ubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:27] <bandit5432> who is killing gnome.org??
[01:27] <An-iSociaL> they have a games database so you can check for the game you intend to run
[01:27] <bandit5432> did some one dos or hack it?
[01:27] <okee> ok. The options for the SATA device mode are AHCI, IDE, and RAID.  It is currently set to AHCI.  Is that what I should have?
[01:27] <An-iSociaL> try IDE okee
[01:28] <An-iSociaL> if the controller is emulating it may have a better chance of being compatible
[01:28] <ActionParsnip> okee: try ide
[01:29] <bandit5432> skumara, i cant get to the website
[01:29] <skilz_> thanks guys
[01:29] <okee> This laptop doesn't even have a pause button.
[01:30] <bandit5432> any one having issues with laptop lcd not blanking or blanking with the backlite still on??
[01:30] <bandit5432> any one scripted a vbetools dpms off script that works?
[01:31] <An-iSociaL> negatory bandit5432
[01:31] <skumara> bandit5432, go to homepage http://live.gnome.org/Home than search for gpointingsettings in title
[01:31] <okee> nope. Still get the same error message:  "doesn't support DPO or FUA.  What does that mean?
[01:32] <okee> Also during the bootup it says ATA2 failed.  And here an HP authorized service center supposedly checked this thing out.  I think something goofy is going on.
[01:32] <An-iSociaL> i agree okee
[01:32] <mikemol> I need help moving a Launchpad bug, but I really don't know how to do it.
[01:32] <satria> dffd
[01:33] <An-iSociaL> try the third setting, raid, and see if anything happens, im starting to think that laptop is screwed
[01:33] <okee> I should have bought a MacBook Pro.
[01:33] <An-iSociaL> lol
[01:33] <ActionParsnip> okee: is the bios up to date?
[01:33] <An-iSociaL> go thinkpad
[01:33] <mikemol> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/886410/comments/3 describes what I want to move and where to, but I don't know how. :-|
[01:33] <An-iSociaL> <3s me some thinkpad action *drools*
[01:33] <bandit5432> skumara, did you check and makesure that you meet the requirments
[01:34] <bandit5432> skumara,  gtk 2.14.0   GConf-2-2.24.0 Xi-1.2.0  ??
[01:34] <okee> HP did send out an advisory, but I wanted a tech to look at it so that it wouldn't avoid my warranty.  I am having trouble believing that just a bios would stop an Ubuntu installation.  ubuntu is supposed to be one of the more tolerant linux installations, and usually will setup most anywhere.
[01:35] <An-iSociaL> but if it cant access a disk theres nothing you can do
[01:35] <An-iSociaL> thats like core right there
[01:35] <bandit5432> skumara, i cant install or build it i dont have gnome 2 i am using gnome 3 errors out at checking for GNOME_SETTINGS_DAEMON... configure: error: Package requirements (gnome-settings-daemon >= 2.28.0) were not met:
[01:36] <bandit5432> i have version gnome-settings 3.2.0-0ubuntu5
[01:37] <bandit5432> okee, does a live cd work?
[01:37] <bandit5432> okee, what laptop is it?
[01:37] <okee> I was hoping to use a live CD.  I have an HP Elitebook 8360w.  Windows seems to work ok.  However, the bios software is pretty funky.
[01:38] <hemangpatel> can anyone help me in partition ?
[01:38] <bandit5432> its the 83 not the 84?
[01:38] <rhizmoe> hah, the windows xp sounds i'm hearing from virtualbox
[01:39] <rhizmoe> seems like years
[01:40] <bandit5432> okee,  i dont find a HP Elitebook 8360w  at hp??
[01:40] <hemangpatel> howmuch space i give for different partition for max performance ?
[01:40] <An-iSociaL> bandit5432: neither could i
[01:40] <jen__> how can I make my skype all one window? instead of three
[01:40] <bandit5432> so is this a real laptop or is this a troll?
[01:40] <okee> ok.  One of the advisories says to look at http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Hardware%2C_driver_status for controller compatibility, but I can't get the link to work. Can anyone else pull it up?
[01:40] <An-iSociaL> Your search - HP Elitebook 8360w - did not match any documents.
[01:41] <An-iSociaL> google says no
[01:41] <An-iSociaL> which is odd
[01:41] <bandit5432> okee, is it a 83 or 84???
[01:41] <hemangpatel> why noone give answer of my question ?
[01:41] <okee> I have an Elitebook 8560w.  Supposedly this is supposed to run both Linux and CAD.
[01:41] <okee> It is an i7, QM.
[01:41] <rallf> hemangpatel: doesn't affect your performance. only your backup strategy (if any)
[01:42] <bandit5432> hemangpatel, what are you trying to install and how big is the drive
[01:42] <okee> It isn't too late to ship it back, but I would like to keep it if i can get it working.
[01:42] <chaospsychex> LarsN: hooking in the router didn't change anything
[01:42] <hemangpatel> 30 gb space (Total)
[01:42] <hemangpatel> 4 GB DDR3 ram
[01:43] <hemangpatel> boot = ?? , swap = ??
[01:43] <bandit5432> okee, that will run linux just fine
[01:43] <bandit5432> hemangpatel,  how much ram do you have?
[01:43] <Iria> My boyfriend was wondering what to do. He logged in and networking was disabled. He tries to click on enable networking and it doesn't enable it
[01:43] <hemangpatel> 4gb
[01:43] <An-iSociaL> http://osdir.com/ml/ubuntu-bugs/2011-10/msg06285.html
[01:43] <bandit5432> hemangpatel,  how many apps do you thing you will install?
[01:44] <An-iSociaL> they report ubuntu will not run on that laptop
[01:44] <okee> Several of the links that talk about an incomptabile controller are written in Russian.  Does anyone read Russian? http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html
[01:44] <oslo> bonjour
[01:44] <An-iSociaL> there are several similar reports
[01:44] <bandit5432> okee,  translate.google.com
[01:44] <hemangpatel> bandit5432 : Some regular apps
[01:44] <hemangpatel> not much
[01:45] <|0xD34D|> I just upgraded to 11.10 and I can no longer access my system from other computers via SSH or VNC any ideas?
[01:45] <bandit5432> hemangpatel, 4gb swap 10 gb root  and the rest for home
[01:45] <bandit5432> you dont need a boot  for that small of a drive
[01:46] <bandit5432> hemangpatel,  you could get by with a smaller root drive but i like room to grom
[01:46] <bandit5432> grow
[01:46] <okee> OK. It says this page is unavailable to you.  It may have been moved, etc, etc........
[01:46] <hemangpatel> ok
[01:47] <bandit5432> you also could do the swap and then install everything in one partion
[01:47] <bandit5432> really its up to you
[01:47] <hemangpatel> hmmm...ok
[01:47] <bandit5432> i have a big drive and have 4gb swap 25 gb root and 25 gb home
[01:48] <bandit5432> the rest i mount at a diffrent mount point makes backups easier
[01:48] <An-iSociaL> alright everyone the An-iSociaL knowledge library is closed
[01:48] <An-iSociaL> have a good evening
[01:49]  * An-iSociaL fades out
[01:49] <hemangpatel> bandit5432 : Thanks.. bye..
[01:49] <bandit5432> ok
[01:49] <bandit5432> okee, did you add the line to boot options pcie_aspm=force ?
[01:50] <bandit5432> hemangpatel, have fun with linux
[01:51] <bandit5432> okee, what exactly is the problem?
[01:53] <venluckey> wow, 6984 channels on server
[01:54] <bandit5432> okee, there is a fix for installing
[01:54] <venluckey> bye room
[01:55] <jen__> how can I make my skype all one window? instead of three
[01:55] <ranjan> where can i get the cisco vpn client for ubuntu linux?
[01:55] <|0xD34D|> I just checked to make sure UFW was disabled, then restarted.  After upgrading to 11.10 I can no longer access my computer via SSH or VNC.  Any ideas about this?
[01:55] <obert-> how to find a string in the computer?
[01:55] <okee> I can't get the laptop to install or run Ubuntu 11.10  It won't install from DVD nor from USB memory stick.  Postings I see online suggest a possible controller problem and that the controller may not be compatible with Linux  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=984157
[01:56] <okee> What is  pcie_aspm=force ??
[01:56] <bandit5432> okee, scratch that
[01:57] <bandit5432> you need to follow the bug thread at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/864739 and
[01:57] <bandit5432> I had the same issue. However I was able to start the live-cd/usb by adding the following grub boot parameter (using F6):
[01:57] <bandit5432> nouveau.modeset=0
[01:57] <BlackCoffee> hello,can anyone tell me why if i'm using X-FCE as a DE,i the Gnome desktop settings and menu still appear as default?it's kind of overriding xfce's default desktop settings,it even has replaced the wall paper i have set on the xfce settings
[01:58] <bandit5432> BlackCoffee, i dont know but it happend to me as well something with nautilus taking over
[01:58] <bandit5432> if you kill nautilus it will come back to xfce
[01:59] <BlackCoffee> i hadn't thought about that,i'll check
[01:59] <AaronCampbell> I'm trying to install Ubuntu on an old system.  It's too old to boot to a USB drive, and while it'll boot to the CD it can't seem to install from it.  It keeps getting an error while copying the files due to a problem with the drive (and not the disk, I checked).  Does anyone have any ideas how I can still get it installed?  Is there a way to have it get install files from some online source instead of the CD?  Or maybe a way to install from a USB
[01:59] <AaronCampbell>  after booting to the CD?
[01:59] <BlackCoffee> thanks man!
[02:00] <starlon> I think you can buy a CD.
[02:00] <starlon> Check Amazon or Newegg
[02:00] <|0xD34D|> any takers on why I cannot access my computer from another device after upgrading to 11.10?
[02:00] <bandit5432> AaronCampbell,  you can use a netinstall disk
[02:00] <AaronCampbell> starlon: A CD or a CDRom?  The CD is fine, and I know I can get a CDRom (or DVD now), but wanted to get it installed tonight
[02:00] <bandit5432> AaronCampbell, are you booting to 10.04 or a newer realease?
[02:01] <starlon> No, a CD :) Sorry
[02:01] <starlon> I thought the drive was bad is why I didn't suggest net install.
[02:01] <AaronCampbell> bandit5432: I'm booting to the 11.10 CD
[02:01] <starlon> Then again the hdd could be bad?
[02:02] <AaronCampbell> starlon: I tried 3 different drives that I've been using in other systems fine
[02:02] <BlackCoffee> and now for the glorious reboot
[02:02] <starlon> k
[02:02] <bandit5432> AaronCampbell, 11.10 unity or 11.10 lxde or xubuntu?
[02:02] <AaronCampbell> bandit5432: Unity
[02:03] <bandit5432> AaronCampbell,  of its an old computer i would try 11.10 lubuntu or xubuntu unity does not like old computers
[02:03] <bandit5432> AaronCampbell, does the computer start at all with the cd in?
[02:03] <bandit5432> if'
[02:03] <AaronCampbell> bandit5432: yes.  It starts up and looks fine...even browsed the web, etc.
[02:03] <bandit5432> bah i am sick of gnome
[02:04] <AaronCampbell> It just fails out when copying the files for install
[02:04] <bandit5432> AaronCampbell, when copying or does it error out as setting up enviroment
[02:04] <AaronCampbell> There's some position that the CD head can't seem to read from
[02:04] <AaronCampbell> bandit5432: No, just errors when copying files
[02:04] <bandit5432> you can try a netinstall AaronCampbell and hope it does not need to read that part of the disk
[02:05] <AaronCampbell> bandit5432: How do you do a net install?
[02:05] <bandit5432> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[02:05] <AaronCampbell> Thanks
[02:06] <bandit5432> no problem
[02:06] <bandit5432> any elite script writes want to waste some time?
[02:06] <bandit5432> writers'
[02:06] <riking> bandit5432: what do you do for a 512 MB flash drive
[02:07] <okee> I am going to shut down and boot from the so called defective DVD.  The more I look at this laptop, the more I think I have been had by an HP emissary.  Back in awhile.........:)
[02:07] <johnjohn101> i screw up the default profile on terminal.. does anyone know what the default color scheme is?
[02:08] <bandit5432> riking, i dont understand the question
[02:08] <skilz_> what do I need to install to watch youtube flash videos?
[02:08] <riking> how do i make a live USB drive if i only have .5 GB
[02:08] <bandit5432> riking,  you use a small distro like dsl or puppy
[02:08] <skilz_> I installed ubuntu-restricted-extras now what?
[02:08] <xangua> skilz_: adobe flash plugin or use html5
[02:08] <riking> kay
[02:09] <bandit5432> skilz_, if you are running 11.10 then apt-get install adobe-flashplugin
[02:10] <bandit5432> riking, if you install dsl or puppy its not ubuntu
[02:10] <riking> i know that
[02:10] <riking> :)
[02:10] <bandit5432> ok just making sure
[02:10] <riking> i do help on irc.esper.net with minecraft
[02:10] <bandit5432> some times i suggest things and people are not happy with the results
[02:10] <riking> ikr
[02:11] <riking> .help
[02:11] <riking> ....nope
[02:11] <grkblood> how do i keep my network up when i close my laptop?
[02:11] <bandit5432> riking,  you you use netbootin?
[02:11] <riking> grkblood: make it not sleep
[02:11] <bandit5432> i meant UNetbootin
[02:12] <riking> ehhhhhh don't thionk so
[02:12] <riking> thinking about bringing a ubuntu to my school
[02:12] <riking> and every CD so far has failed when i hit "try"
[02:13] <bandit5432> UNetbootin lets use easly install linux distros on usb drives
[02:13] <Kubbur> what was the command to see file permissions on certain files and folders ubuntu server terminal
[02:14] <bandit5432> ls -l
[02:14] <johnjohn101> what size usb do you recommend
[02:14] <soreau> Kubbur: ls -l /path/to/file_or_folder
[02:14] <bandit5432> johnjohn101, usb drive for what?
[02:14] <riking> johnjohn101: official is >2Gb
[02:14] <riking> but i'm too lazy to go buy one
[02:15] <johnjohn101> so 8 GB is ok for 11.10 (usb)
[02:15] <pnorman> I was buying flash drives yesterday and the smallest you can get now is 4 GB
[02:15] <bandit5432> for a install or for liveusb johnjohn101 ?
[02:15] <riking> but i'm too lazy to go buy one
[02:15] <paxtoncamaro91> riking did u check the md5 before u burned the img and the preferred wright speed  is 2x
[02:15] <johnjohn101> i want to get rid of my hard drive and take ubuntu with me so i guess live
[02:15] <Taek> Alright folks, i have a weird situation and would like to know if it could be fixable without a reinstall
[02:15] <riking> 2x kay got it
[02:16] <Taek> I have an intel mainboard with an intel pentium D 805 processor, the mainboard has the processor running in "sw single processor" mode, i'd like to disable it so i can run it in full dualcore
[02:16] <riking> BIOS first, ask questions later
[02:17] <bandit5432> johnjohn101,  for unity install you need min of 15 gigs, for lubuntu or xunbuntu less see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[02:17] <Taek> now when i do this ,the OS does boot up,, but after a few minutes in terminal, the whole system becomes unresponsive
[02:17] <riking> loljk
[02:17] <johnjohn101> bandit5432: tx
[02:17] <Taek> Is there something I need to do on the system to fix this issue?
[02:17] <Taek> mind you this is Ubuntu Server 10.04.3 LTS
[02:18] <pnorman> Taek: Is that a bios or ubuntu setting?
[02:18] <Taek> bios
[02:18] <Taek> right now it's running in single processor mode
[02:18] <Taek> even though it's a dual-core processor
[02:19] <Taek> if I disable sw single processor, it runs the process in it's dual-core state
[02:19] <bandit5432> johnjohn101, glad i could help
[02:19] <Taek> but the system freezes after only a minute or two running
[02:19] <bandit5432> Taek, are you switching modes with out a fresh install?
[02:19] <Taek> Without?
[02:19] <Taek> i would very much like to solve this without a fresh install
[02:20] <Taek> Is it at all possible?
[02:20] <pnorman> Taek: You could try switching it then booting off of a USB flash drive
[02:20] <_r00t_> Finally !
[02:21] <pnorman> You should also consider the possibility that one of the cores is fried
[02:21] <Taek> hmm
[02:21] <johnjohn101> i really need to go to multiple monitors..  which is better supported nvidia or ati for this?
[02:21] <Taek> could it also be a software issue with the system not reconizing that the processor has essentually changed?
[02:22] <velcroshooz> 11.10 on my laptop, whenever the screen turns off, it refuses to turn back on - touchpad or key presses do nothing. Anyone else experienced this? Suggestions?
[02:23] <_r00t_> now running kernel 3.1.0 on 11.04 with Nvidia 285.05.09 drivers. Suspend to RAM/hybrid fixed
[02:23] <bandit5432> _r00t_, nice
[02:23] <_r00t_> velcroshooz: what graphics card #
[02:23] <velcroshooz> _r00t_: its an intel 915
[02:24] <bandit5432> i wish i could figure out how to get dpms force off to turn my backlit off
[02:24] <_r00t_> bandit5432: Thanks chief
[02:24] <pnorman> Taek: I don't know, but if it crashes with a LiveCD or other install on a USB flash drive it's more likely to be hardware
[02:24] <bandit5432> _r00t_, always nice when something gets fixed
[02:24] <rallf> Taek: more likely a linux hacker has screwed up because concurrency ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concurrency_%28computer_science%29 ) is hard. re-installing the same software won't change it. be thankful that single-processor hides the bug.
[02:24] <_r00t_> velcroshooz: 915 should be straight forward dpms set in xorg.conf ?
[02:25] <bandit5432> i am hating dpms right now!!
[02:25] <velcroshooz> _r00t_: ive not touched anything in xorg.conf, should it be set there by default or no?
[02:25] <_r00t_> bandit5432: Thanks ! Unfortunately I was trying to kill to problems . STR & and cpu frequency scaling :/
[02:25] <Taek> I'll trya live distro later this evening and let you folks know, right now gotta get back to minecraft
[02:26] <_r00t_> velcroshooz: it should be on my default . xdpyinfo is your friend
[02:26] <_tr1gg3r> Taek, do that and ignore rallf the troll
[02:26] <YO> hola a todos
[02:27] <soreau> ! es | YO
[02:27] <bandit5432> i can get my backlit to turn off with vbetool dpms off but i cant get it turn back on with out a restart and or trying to type vbetool dpms on in a black screen
[02:27]  * _r00t_ needs nicotine ...   I
[02:27] <Taek> Let me look at the dmsg
[02:27] <soreau> bandit5432: What graphics driver?
[02:28] <bandit5432> x-swat latest
[02:28] <bandit5432> 285.02.09
[02:28] <bandit5432> 285.05.09'
[02:28] <bandit5432> nvidia
[02:29] <bandit5432> i can get it to blank with dpms force off but the backlit stays lit
[02:29] <bandit5432> there are scripts for vbetool but i cant get them to work
[02:29] <_r00t_> bandit5432: what kernel are you using ?
[02:29] <velcroshooz> _r00t_: it seems i have no xorg.conf ... X is doing autodetection i guess
[02:30] <bandit5432> <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:30] <_r00t_> velcroshooz: grep DPMS /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:31] <bandit5432> you think i should try going up to 3.1?
[02:31] <_r00t_> bandit5432: I ended up compiling 3.1 to fix my problems. The mainline kernels didn't work for me.... need a smoke brb
[02:31] <bandit5432> bah i have not compiled a kernel since the 90's
[02:32] <bandit5432> soreau, any ideas?
[02:32] <_r00t_> bandit5432: likewise ... 1st one I've done in ages ! I love he 2.2 / 2.4 days ... make dep && make modules && .....
[02:32] <soreau> bandit5432: Probably a driver bug
[02:32] <soreau> try a different version or use nouveau
[02:33] <_r00t_> ooorrrrr dont touch nouveau with a barge pole
[02:33] <bandit5432> i might reboot the livecd and see if it works there
[02:33] <_r00t_> gl bandit5432
[02:33] <bandit5432> i think its a gnome bug
[02:34] <velcroshooz> _r00t_: results of grep - http://pastebin.com/Y8E20qL0
[02:35] <bandit5432> might be my laptop is old as well :C
[02:36] <bandit5432> i need to figure out this script with gnome3 http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/HOWTO_Automatically_turn_off_your_monitor#For_GNOME
[02:36] <starlon> Will upgrading the ATI driver to the latest cause any issues?
[02:40] <bandit5432> i think i found fix or maybe!!
[02:40] <soreau> starlon: The default radeon driver should work better
[02:41] <jen__> anyone know how to connect the skype to just one window instead of a bajillion
[02:41] <jen__> :D
[02:43] <fusion271> I have a home server running ubuntu 10.04.  I'm samba sharing a 2tb usb drive so my wife can copy her photos to location outside of her notebook.  She uploads folders of images from her photography biz to this USB drive.  in each of these folders buried within somewhere, there's gonna be a zip file that I'd like to FTP  or SSH up to my webserver.  Can rsync do that?
[02:43] <_r00t_> velcroshooz: that doesn't look nice ? Is it just the DPMS problem that you're having or does STR also not work ?
[02:43] <jen__> anyone??
[02:44] <starlon> soreau: thanks
[02:44] <fusion271> jen__: repeat your question, I just got here
[02:44] <velcroshooz> _r00t_: STR?
[02:44] <_r00t_> velcroshooz: suspend to ram
[02:44] <jen__> i dont know how to get skype in just ONE window not three or four and a bajillion
[02:44] <nixxofugi> quick question. during ubuntu install, i'm not seeing my hard drives to be able to select which partition i need to install to. I know i need to install a package to see them, but i cant remember which one... can anyone help?
[02:45] <velcroshooz> _r00t_: not sure about that, i dont use it. biggest issue is i have to have my screen set to never turn off right now, because i cant get it back once it does :/
[02:45] <tauren> So I fucked up my new 11.10 upgrade by running "sudo apt-get install gnome-tweak-tool"
[02:45] <fusion271> nixxofugi: I think you want gparted
[02:45] <tauren> no longer boots into unity
[02:45] <bandit5432> tauren, just choose unity at the login screen
[02:45] <tauren> did this because I wanted to change the color of text on bacground icons
[02:46] <nixxofugi> no that's not it.
[02:46] <soreau> nixxofugi: You don't need to install anything. It depends on which partitioning method you choose. Manual Partitioning will allow full control
[02:46] <bandit5432> the little gog wheel next to name at the login screen lets you change back to unity
[02:46] <tauren> bandit5432: there isn't a unity option. I've tried Gnome and Ubuntu
[02:46] <nixxofugi> i went to manual, and it literally doesnt detect my partitions
[02:46] <bandit5432> ubuntu shuold be unity
[02:46] <bandit5432> are you running 11.04 or 11.10?
[02:47] <tauren> l11.10
[02:47] <tauren> bandit5432: ok, i'm logging out to check again.
[02:47] <bandit5432> you can always apt-get install unity
[02:47] <tauren> but last time i logged in with Ubuntu, I didn't get the menu bar across the top, just desktop icons.
[02:47] <bandit5432> if you did to much damage
[02:48] <nixxofugi> does anyone know what i mean?
[02:48] <bandit5432> nixxofugi, it does not see the partitions or the drive?
[02:48] <tauren> bandit5432: across the top is the menu bar for nautilus i think.
[02:48] <nixxofugi> bandit: both
[02:48] <bandit5432> tauren, thats gnome 3 fallback
[02:48] <nixxofugi> bandit5432: it
[02:48] <tauren> so I should apt-get install unity?
[02:49] <bandit5432> tauren, i would then open gnome-tweak and make sure you dont have fallback set to force
[02:49] <An-iSociaL> i think ive just lost my mind
[02:49] <nixxofugi> bandit5432: it's 64bit version. i click on install ubuntu from the livecd and it takes me to the language, then after that the screen where i can select drive/partition but its blank
[02:49] <tauren> bandit5432: how do i even open gnome-tweak without a launcher? i don't even know how to open a terminal
[02:49] <An-iSociaL> i cant remember the route add command
[02:50] <bandit5432> tauren, hit alt+f2 type gnome-tweak
[02:50] <_r00t_> wonders how you auto select a kernel under the 'old kernels' menu in grub
[02:50] <bandit5432> you select it and hit enter _r00t_
[02:51] <bandit5432> tauren, you get it ?
[02:51] <_r00t_> bandit5432: ROFL ! I meant within grub.cfg via the default="foobar" parameter
[02:51] <bandit5432> _r00t_, i use startup manager and i dont worry about it :P
[02:51] <_r00t_> bandit5432: GOOD TIP !
[02:52] <jen__> does anyone know how to get skype to be in just ONE window???
[02:52] <bandit5432> hmm i had a better grub editor where did it go!!
[02:52] <tauren> bandit5432: somethings not right. i understand what you are saying, but i'm going to have to reboot before trying it. i'll ping you back.
[02:53] <bandit5432> _r00t_, bootup manager works better imho
[02:53] <bandit5432> no thats not it :|
[02:53] <nixxofugi> how can it be this difficult to install an os that claims to be superior to the rest?
[02:53] <fusion271> I'm running an ubuntu server at home here and am interacting with it via terminal only… when it's complaining at me about updates, what apt command am I looking for take care of these updates
[02:53] <fusion271> ?19 packages can be updated.
[02:53] <fusion271> 17 updates are security updates.
[02:53] <bandit5432> nixxofugi,  whats it do again
[02:53] <_r00t_> bandit5432: :/ I'm apt getting startup-manager ... I'll try bootup manager too then :p
[02:54] <bandit5432> _r00t_, dont use bootup manager its for services
[02:54] <bandit5432> fusion271, apt-get upgrade
[02:54] <ActionParsnip> fusion271: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:54] <bandit5432> nixxofugi, i am sorry i am all over the place
[02:54] <_r00t_> bandit5432: startup-manager works :) Thanks
[02:55] <fusion271> tx bandit5432 ActionParsnip
[02:55] <bandit5432> _r00t_, i found it its grub customizer
[02:55] <jen__> does anyone know how to make skype one window instead of a bajillion???
[02:56] <bandit5432> nixxofugi, you there?
[02:56] <no1> hello?
[02:56] <nixxofugi> i click install ubuntu 11.10 from the live cd. select my language. it asks me if i want to install packages during the install and also asks me to install third party software. then it takes me to the screen where i can select a hard drive/partition to install to but it's empty! no drives or partitions to select from. i know i need to install a package from the software center but i cant remember the package name
[02:56] <greg3000> hey fellas, I'm running the latest distro.. actually upgrading now to the very newest.  I changed around some video drivers and xorg.conf and my ubuntu unity seems to have reverted back to regular gnome.. how to change back?
[02:56] <no1> nixxofugi, make sure you hard drives are mounted
[02:56] <tauren> bandit5432: hitting alt-f2 doesn't do anythting. I think i'm just running nautilus as my shell or something.
[02:57] <bandit5432> nixxofugi,  try booting into the live cd and openinf up gparted
[02:58] <nixxofugi> gparted shows the drives/partitions
[02:58] <no1> is anyone there?
[02:58] <bandit5432> tauren, ctrl + alt + t
[02:58] <bandit5432> nixxofugi,  good at least they are showing up
[02:59] <tauren> bandit5432: nope, doesn't do anything either
[02:59] <bandit5432> tauren,  you have no menus at all?
[02:59] <ActionParsnip> nixxofugi: if you run:  sudo fdisk -l   do you see the drive and/or partitions
[03:00] <tauren> bandit5432: across the top of the screen is the following menu:  File Edit View Go Bookmarks Help
[03:00] <bandit5432> tauren, at the start screen choose one of the other options
[03:00] <Evanescence> Does anybody knows where is the log file of sendmail ?
[03:00] <bandit5432> in /var/log Evanescence ?
[03:00] <no1> it has to be in the var directory
[03:00] <nixxofugi> ActionParsnip: yep theyre there
[03:00] <Evanescence> bandit5432: I can not find it in /var/log
[03:00] <tauren> bandit5432: how can i logout? I know how to use ctrl-alt-F1 to login and reboot.
[03:00] <no1> evanescence
[03:00] <no1> open a terminal
[03:01] <no1> and type updatedb
[03:01] <no1> then type locate sendmail
[03:01] <no1> then it should show all the directories and maybe even the fiel
[03:01] <no1> *file
[03:01] <Evanescence> no1: no /var/log path in output
[03:01] <no1> does it have send mail?
[03:02] <bandit5432> i wish they did not deiable ctrl+alt+bkspace by defulat now
[03:02] <bandit5432> disable
[03:02] <no1> the disabled that awhile back didn't they?
[03:02] <xangua> bandit5432: you can enable it on keyboard preferences
[03:02] <Evanescence> no1: sendmail in mutt can not sendmail, so I want to check log
[03:03] <nixxofugi> there's a package that i need from the software center. it needs to be installed before running the installer. does anyone know what i mean?
[03:03] <no1> i hate mutter
[03:03] <no1> paste what shows up in the terminal
[03:03]  * _r00t_ hugs no1
[03:03] <tauren> bandit5432: Ubuntu 2D works
[03:03] <bandit5432> xangua, i now but that does not help tauren
[03:03] <bandit5432> know'
[03:03] <Evanescence> no1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/728752/
[03:04] <bandit5432> no1 i hate mutter as well
[03:04] <bandit5432> so tauren  are you in ubuntu 2d?
[03:04]  * _r00t_ doesn't hug bandit5432 but offers a 'hai' :)
[03:04] <bandit5432> :)
[03:04] <tauren> bandit5432: yes, i am now
[03:04] <bandit5432> can you find gnome-tweak in the menu?
[03:05] <no1> hey
[03:05] <bandit5432> _r00t_, did you install grub customizer?
[03:05] <no1> check this directory: /var/log/maillog.
[03:05] <_r00t_> bandit5432: yep ... works great
[03:05] <urlin2u> gnome tweak is called advanced tools
[03:05] <bandit5432> i like it as well
[03:05] <bandit5432> tauren, you see that its called advanced tools
[03:05] <tauren> bandit5432: I installed gnome-tweak-tool. but i then removed it trying to get things back. I also did a apt-get autoremove and removed a ton of stuff.
[03:05] <urlin2u> doh advanced setting*
[03:06] <bandit5432> tauren, i would reinstall gnome-tweak and unity
[03:06] <greg3000> everyone: I'm running the latest distro.. actually upgrading now to the very newest.  I changed around some video drivers and xorg.conf and my ubuntu unity seems to have reverted back to regular gnome.. how to change back?
[03:06] <bandit5432> sudo apt-get install unity gnome-tweak
[03:06] <qwebirc59586> howdy, my brother is a nub and tried to enable auto login and broke ICEauthority, i can alt-f2 fine, can someone help me with the command or file to gedit to fix this
[03:06] <tauren> ok. i did install unity again, but it said it was already installed. I'll try again.
[03:06] <bandit5432> then reinstall gnoe-tweak
[03:07] <tauren> i assume you mean gnome-tweak-tool
[03:07] <okee> Well this is the verdict.  I think the Ubuntu disk is good because I was able to boot from it on my desktop.  I tried the same disk again on the HP Elitebook 8560w, and it wouldn't install, not even running it from DVD.  Also, I did try SAbayon 64-bit on the HP, and it would install, so there is some type of incompatibility going on with the HP laptop and the Ubuntu disk. The question is whether
[03:07] <okee> or not something can be done about it?
[03:07] <okee> Also, I switched bach to the AHSE mode in the bios.  I don't think the IDE mode is the correct one.
[03:07] <bandit5432> okee, did you try the fix i mentioned?
[03:08] <okee> I didn't notice.  What is fix i?
[03:08] <bandit5432> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/864739
[03:08] <tauren> bandit5432: ok, seems to have installed. logging out
[03:08] <tauren> should i log in as ubuntu, or ubuntu 2d?
[03:08] <bandit5432> okee,  I had the same issue. However I was able to start the live-cd/usb by adding the following grub boot parameter (using F6): nouveau.modeset=0
[03:09] <bandit5432> tauren, dont logout
[03:09] <bandit5432> run gnome-tweak
[03:09] <tauren> ok, well already did. but will log back in.
[03:09] <okee> So at what poin do I use the F6 nouveau.modeset=0?
[03:09] <bandit5432> from the terminal run gnome-tweak-tool
[03:09] <bandit5432> okee, at the start
[03:10] <okee> I had the same result from DVD and USB, so I will probably use the DVDW.
[03:10] <bandit5432> hit f6 and add the nouve part at the end
[03:10] <velcroshooz> 11.10 on my laptop, whenever the screen turns off, it refuses to turn back on - touchpad or key presses do nothing. Anyone else experienced this? Suggestions?
[03:10] <okee> ok.  I iwll try it and see what happens.
[03:10] <tauren> bandit5432: its running
[03:11] <bandit5432> tauren,  under desktop tab what does it show for file manger handle desktop?
[03:11] <tauren> bandit5432: should I turn off "Have the file manager handle the desktop"?
[03:11] <bandit5432> yes
[03:11] <tauren> it says on
[03:11] <tauren> ok
[03:11] <tauren> done
[03:12] <tauren> bandit5432: should i try logging out and back in with "Ubuntu"?
[03:12] <bandit5432> yes
[03:14] <tauren> bandit5432: would you say the recommendations at this link are reasonable? I'm wary now because the first one screwed things up. http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html
[03:14] <francisvgarcia> hey guys why ubuntu freezes when I play a movie
[03:14] <bandit5432> tauren, i use several of them
[03:14] <francisvgarcia> and restart the session
[03:14] <okee> I don't have the nouveau.modeset=0? option at start.  I selected the F6 and now I am presented with the following options: 1) acpi=off, 2)noapic, 3) nolapic, 4) edd=on, 5) nodmiraid, 6) nomodeset, 7) Free software only
[03:14] <rallf> velcroshooz: i'd disable the screensaver
[03:14] <okee> These are the only options I found after selecting F6.
[03:15] <bandit5432> hmm whats the key for custom
[03:15] <velcroshooz> rallf: its not the screensaver .. its the power saving option to turn off the screen.
[03:15] <okee> Are you sure it isn't something like nomodeset?
[03:15] <tauren> bandit5432: ok. So logging in with "Ubuntu" now gives me just my desktop with no icons, no menu bar, nothing.
[03:15] <okee> I regret I didn't buy the Macbook Pro.  Would have been a lot less trouble.
[03:15] <bandit5432> turen log back into the other one that worked
[03:15] <bandit5432> tauren, '
[03:16] <bandit5432> okee you need to get to custom and add the line that was posted
[03:16] <_r00t_> google 0000:00:1a.70000:00:1d.7ls: cannot access /sys/bus/pci/drivers/xhci_hcd: No such file or directory - or is #ubuntu my friend ?
[03:16] <velcroshooz> should be 'e' to edit the line
[03:16] <rallf> velcroshooz: mmh. then i guess disabling _that_ isn't good enough for you, because you want to save power.
[03:17] <velcroshooz> rallf: yeah .. ive got it set to never turn off now, because otherwise its a reboot to get back .. but ultimately id like to fix it ;)
[03:17] <starlon> I have a CrystalFontz CFA634 model character LCD, and when Linux starts up it prints ]:[] characters randomly covering almost 2 rows. It should start with a greeting display mentioning CyrstalFontz and CFA634, plus a logo and I think firmware vs.
[03:18] <starlon> I'm pretty sure it's in the Linux kernel itself.
[03:18] <w0_> anyone know of a good site where I can find themes for 11.10?  much thx!
[03:18] <starlon> I could fix it if I knew how to build and install a custom kernel.
[03:18] <bandit5432> okee,  choose the install ubuntu but dont hit enter
[03:18] <okee> I don't have a custom option.
[03:19] <bandit5432> okee,  choose the install ubuntu but dont hit enter
[03:19] <_r00t_> w0_: Install ubuntu tweak and look at additional repositories - There's a heap of good ones via ppa
[03:19] <w0_> _r00t_ : sweet -- I appreciate it!
[03:19] <w0_> =)
[03:19] <tauren> bandit5432: ok, logged back in. what's the diff between "Ubuntu" and "Ubuntu 2d"?
[03:19] <rallf> francisvgarcia: i don't know what causes it. but i avoid this problem by using mplayer -vo x11 (not as good as -vo xv, but doen't trigger the problem)
[03:19] <bandit5432> type the nouveau.modeset=0 at the end and hit enter
[03:20] <tauren> bandit5432: know how to fix the "ubuntu" lone?
[03:20] <bandit5432> tauren, open up system settings
[03:21] <okee> I have selected "install Ubuntu", but have not selected the enter button.  No what? I still don't see a custom option when selecting F6, or anywhere else in the menu?  Were you thinking of Knome?  or KDE?
[03:21] <tauren> one thing i notice in 2D is that clicking a top menu icon doesn't keep the dropdown menu open. I have to hold my mouse button down to see and use the dropdown menu.
[03:21] <okee> Again I tried running it from disk, and it errors out indicating various ATA were down.
[03:21] <starlon> How do I build a custom kernel in Ubuntu?
[03:21] <starlon> Hmm never googled :)
[03:22] <okee> Where do you find the custom menu?  Is this available in both KDE?  Or just Gnome?
[03:22] <_r00t_> w0_: enable the bisigi and Faenza themes for a start ... Now I can't see where the others came from but there are a lot in synaptic or tweak
[03:22] <bandit5432> okee, hit f6 then hit escape
[03:22] <bandit5432> okee, then scroll up to install ubuntu
[03:22] <tauren> bandit5432: what should i do in system settings?
[03:22] <okee> ok.  Not it says I am leaving the graphical boot menu and starting the text mode interface.  Is that what I am supposed to do?
[03:23] <bandit5432> okee, no i didnt say hit enter :P
[03:23] <bandit5432> tauren, click on system info at the bottom
[03:23] <_r00t_> starlon: it's simple ... untar && make config && make -j5 && make modules_install && update_initramd && make install; done
[03:23] <okee> I didn't hit enter.
[03:23] <w0_> _r00t_ : will-do.  thanks!
[03:23] <Lance_> hello guys
[03:23] <okee> I think the option you want me to select, isn't available in the version of Ubuntu that is on my DVDRW.
[03:23] <bandit5432> okee, so is it booting or are you at the menu?
[03:23] <tauren> bandit5432: ok
[03:24] <bandit5432> okee, it is i am using the cd right now
[03:24] <bandit5432> tauren, click on graphics
[03:24] <Guest65704> guys, i wanted to ask, I want to triple boot, unix, windows xp and ubuntu
[03:24] <Guest65704> which order do i do it
[03:24] <Guest65704> which is the first one?
[03:24] <bandit5432> tauren,   whats it say under experiance ?
[03:24] <tauren> bandit5432: Driver - GeForce 9500 GT/PCI/SSE2, experience Standard
[03:25] <starlon> _r00t_: Thanks. :)
[03:25] <bandit5432> so are you running unity?
[03:25] <kints> hey how can i boot linux from usb ? i just stick the ISO on a usb drive?
[03:25] <Guest65704> kints, no
[03:25] <okee> WEll it started installing from disk in text mode, and again it stopped with errors.  However, the error messages were different this time.
[03:25] <Guest65704> you have to run
[03:25] <bandit5432> KingPin, unetbootin google it
[03:25] <Guest65704> startup disk creater
[03:25] <tauren> bandit5432: well, i have the icons down the left and the menu bar with the icons across the top. it looks the same as when I first upgraded to 11.10.
[03:25] <_r00t_> starlon: That was the condensed version ;) Good luck .... lots of HOWTOs on the net
[03:26] <bandit5432> tauren,   i would say you are in unity
[03:26] <tauren> bandit5432: i agree
[03:26] <kints> Guest65704: i think i putted the question wrong. I mean i want to install ubuntu from a usb stick
[03:26] <kints> so i need to boot the install from usb
[03:26] <kints> is there any startup disk creator for osx ?
[03:26] <bandit5432> kints, did you install to the usb drive like guest said with the startup disk creator?
[03:27] <bandit5432> kints use unetbootin
[03:27] <okee> I have returned to the Ubuntu install menu.  Currently the "install Ubuntu" is selected, but I haven't selected return.
[03:27] <okee> So what now?
[03:27] <tauren> bandit5432: but it doesn't behave the same... like i said, I have to hold my mouse button down for the dropdown menus to stay visible.
[03:27] <kints> bandit5432: thanks! i'll give it a try
[03:27] <starlon> _r00t_: kk
[03:27] <bandit5432> tauren,  you need to change the theme back to default in gnome-tweak
[03:28] <okee> F6 brings up the following options: 1) acpi=off, 2) noapic, 3) nolapic, 4) edd=on, 5) nodmraid, 6) nomodeset, 7) Free software only
[03:28] <bandit5432> sweet okee
[03:28] <ActionParsnip> kints: unetbootin runs on mac
[03:28] <bandit5432> now hit escape key okee
[03:28] <Jordan_U> kints: No. There are instructions for OSX at http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download but it's highly recommended to use a CD instead if at all possible.
[03:28] <okee> So what do I do with this menu?  ubuntu still wont' run.....
[03:28] <bandit5432> okee, scroll back up to install ubuntu
[03:28] <bandit5432> dotn hit enter
[03:28] <okee> It is already there.  Now what.
[03:28] <tauren> bandit5432: the "shell theme" is empty with a warning ! next to it
[03:29] <okee> I haven't .
[03:29] <bandit5432> okee, does your screen say boot options?
[03:29] <cyrano_> i recently installed mint 11 and had the propietary nVidia drivers installed and was able to get compiz to work well and just the other day compiz stopped working all i see when i try to enalbe it is gray blocks all over everything and when i mouse over things the blocks move and new ones create and disapear any have any suggestions?
[03:29] <tauren> bandit5432: change the cursor theme, keybinding theme, icon theme, gtk+ theme, or window theme, or all of them?
[03:30] <bandit5432> tauren, change them to default
[03:30] <okee> My screen has a menu that has the following options: 1) Try Ubuntu without installing, 2) install Ubuntu, 3) Check disc for defects, 4) Test memory, 5) Boot from first hard disk.
[03:30] <okee> Thisis what I have.
[03:30] <bandit5432> okee now hit f6
[03:30] <okee> There is also a menu if I select F6, but not the options you requested.
[03:30] <tauren> bandit5432: ok, now the menus drop down and stay. but now they look less attractive too
[03:30] <bandit5432> tauren, you need to find themes that will work and thats beyound my knowledge
[03:31] <bandit5432> okee, hit esacpe
[03:31] <okee> F6 has: 1) acpi=off, 2) noapic, 3) nolapic, 4) edd=on, 5) nodmraid, 6) nomodeset, 7) Free software only.
[03:31] <tauren> bandit5432: ok. is there just a way to revert back to how things are configured after upgrading to 11.10?
[03:31] <bandit5432> then hit escape okee and move back up to install ubuntu
[03:31] <okee> ok, if you hit escape, I am then prompted to leave graphical boot menu and starting the text mode interface.  I tried that previously and it is no different.  ubuntu won't run.
[03:32] <okee> I am on the install menu.  Now what.
[03:32] <bandit5432> then type nouveau.modeset=0
[03:33] <bandit5432> tauren, i dont know i think you can delete files in your home directory let me look it up
[03:34] <bandit5432> tauren, open up a terminal and run unity --reset
[03:34] <bandit5432> okee, are you there?
[03:34] <tauren> bandit5432: ok, i'll give that a try. thanks for all your help!
[03:34] <bandit5432> tauren, no problem hope i helped
[03:34] <okee> I typed the command you said, and then hit enter, and it wouldn't install.  Got the same problem.
[03:35] <bandit5432> have you reset your bios to defaults okee ??
[03:35] <okee> I have reinstalled the linux boot disk, and I am back to the same place "Install Ubuntu".  Again I have typed noveau.modeset=0
[03:35] <okee> bios was reset to defaults.
[03:35] <tauren> bandit5432: very much so, thanks!
[03:35] <bandit5432> tauren, your welcome
[03:36] <bandit5432> okee, does it say any where on your screen boot options?
[03:36] <okee> I am wondering if I should erase the line before entering the noveau.modeset=0  ??
[03:36] <bandit5432> dont delete the boot=casper part
[03:38] <bandit5432> okee, that will give you an error
[03:38] <okee> At the bottom of the screen, in a horizontal type, it says "Boot options eed boot=caspaer only-ubiquity initrd=/casper/initrd.lz quiet spalzh--
[03:38] <bandit5432> hit space and type nouveau.modeset=0
[03:39] <bandit5432> then hit enter
[03:39] <joapuipe> hi!
[03:40] <bandit5432> hello
[03:40] <bandit5432> okee, what did it do?
[03:41] <joapuipe> I written a server that I would run as daemon. The program reads some files in UTF8 and it seems that there is some problem with the locales used when the programs are launched in the start of the system.
[03:41] <okee> I think we are making progress.  A screen popped up that says Ubuntu 11.10
[03:42] <bandit5432> we hope we hope
[03:42] <Jordan_U> kints: If you decide to go with a CD (again highly recommended) make sure you use the +mac image. If you go with USB then do *not* use the +mac image.
[03:42] <bandit5432> does it have the little dots under it okee ??
[03:42] <joapuipe> I tried to set my LC_ALL variable manually in the init.d/ script
[03:42] <harsh343> where is system administration in ubuntu 11.10
[03:42] <harsh343> ??
[03:42] <okee> yes
[03:42] <joapuipe> and when my program starts within setlocale(LC_ALL, en_US.utf8)
[03:42] <bandit5432> harsh343,  gone its in the menu now
[03:42] <okee> It is installing. It is working.
[03:42] <prueba> hola
[03:42] <joapuipe> but, nothing...
[03:42] <prueba> una pregunta
[03:43] <harsh343> bandit5432, where is menu ?
[03:43] <bandit5432> or you can click on your name in the right menu and click system settings buts its not the same
[03:43] <joapuipe> Anyone knows how to set the locale to utf8 when starting a daemon?
[03:43] <bandit5432> harsh343, welcome to unity!
[03:43] <harsh343> where is unity ?
[03:43] <bandit5432> it is unity no menu any more
[03:44] <bandit5432> you have the icons on the left side of screen harsh343 ??
[03:44] <harsh343> yes
[03:44] <Jordan_U> harsh343: Menu at top right of the screen then System Settings.
[03:44] <bandit5432> harsh343,  you might like this link as well http://www.webupd8.org/2011/08/installing-using-classic-gnome-desktop.html
[03:45] <harsh343> i got the system setting in meny
[03:45] <harsh343> menu*
[03:45] <bandit5432> okee, is it still working
[03:45] <harsh343> bandit5432, actually i want to start my services mysql
[03:45] <harsh343> now what next ?
[03:46] <okee> ok.  Now I am trying to figure out how to resize the disk, so that I have dual boot.  I am presented with 1) /dev/sda1 ntfs 341mb (size), 2) /dev/sda2 ntfs 728744mb, 3) /dev/sda3 ntfs 15724 mb
[03:46] <bandit5432> harsh343,  then you need to install bootup-manager
[03:46] <bandit5432> or another service starter
[03:46] <bandit5432> you can also start mysqld from the terminal
[03:47] <leo2007> how to know what's listening on port 4005?
[03:47] <okee> Should I create a new partition?
[03:47] <bandit5432> okee, are you dual booting?
[03:47] <okee> yes
[03:47] <harsh343> bandit5432, actually my sql is not working on my system right now, got an error ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[03:47] <okee> with win 7.  I wish it was win xp 640bit, but I can't find a disk.
[03:48] <bandit5432> okee, win xp 64 wont work on that computer
[03:48] <okee> This is a 64-bit system.  Why wouldn't it work?
[03:48] <bandit5432> okee,  you need to ask some one else about partioning
[03:48] <okee> ok.  Thanks for your help.
[03:48] <bandit5432> okee, windows xp 64 was sudo 64 and it did not have any drivers
[03:48] <bandit5432> trust me with that rig it would not work
[03:49] <okee> I am aware of the driver problem.
[03:49] <harsh343> when i run this command sudo apt-get install bootup-manager my output is  sudo apt-get install bootup-manager
[03:49] <jianchen> #twisted
[03:50] <harsh343> E: Unable to locate package bootup-manager
[03:50] <bandit5432> harsh343, try apt-get install bum
[03:50] <bandit5432> leo2007, try netstat -A
[03:50] <harsh343> command not found
[03:50] <bandit5432> sudo apt-get install bum
[03:51] <harsh343> ok
[03:51] <kints> ty m8s
[03:51] <harsh343> installed now next ?
[03:51] <bandit5432> find it in the menu and edit your services
[03:52] <bandit5432> or search for it under dash
[03:53] <harsh343> i search services in dash but not show
[03:54] <bandit5432> search for boot manager or bum
[03:54] <bandit5432> i dont use unity so i cant tell you how to find it in the menu that way
[03:55] <harsh343> I got boot up manager
[03:59] <Guest72703> #pboost
[04:01] <aeon-ltd> i don't mean to start a flood, but when it's quiet people with pending questions should ask again(if they have not asked recently of course)
[04:03] <anacrolix> great news everybody! http://polldaddy.com/poll/5642372/
[04:03] <johnjohn101> anacrolix: why is that good news?
[04:03] <peeps[lappy]> anyone here using xchat and gnome3?
[04:03] <pnorman> aeon-ltd: Well, it didn't start a flood
[04:04] <aeon-ltd> peeps[lappy]: proceed to ask your actual question
[04:04] <_r00t_> peeps[lappy]: Most of these nerds use xchat
[04:05] <pp7> in 11.10 how do u stop the gnome terminal exit warning?
[04:06] <pnorman> Since it's quiet, anyone have any suggestions for a decent PCIe SATA card with reasonable ubuntu support. Not after a hardware RAID card
[04:06] <peeps[lappy]> in previous versions xchat had a tray icon that would blink when my nick was highlighted, this was visible in the gnome panel at the top by default.  now in gnome 3, there is a xchat icon in some bottom autohiding bar that only shows when you mouse to the lower right of the screen.  this makes visual alerts useless when i have to go searching for it in the first place
[04:06] <aeon-ltd> pp7: tried this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1143627
[04:06] <pp7> will
[04:06] <pp7> aeon-ltd: yea i tried that
[04:07] <peeps[lappy]> so my question is how can i get a usable visual alert for xchat again
[04:07] <pp7> the option isnt there
[04:07] <weirdpercent> My sound cards are suddenly not being recognized by the systen. I got some hardware profilers to print reports so I have the specs, where does the sound card get loaded in the boot process?
[04:08] <Mesto> hi world
[04:08] <ooph> retarded and/or flamebait question, i know... but is there a quick and easy way to get rid of Unity and get a desktop that looks and feels like "Ubuntu Classic"? I've grown quite found of a desktop interface that doesn't make me fight my system to get anything useful accomplished.
[04:09] <weirdpercent> ooph, try linux mint
[04:09] <peeps[lappy]> hmm, i have "xchat" installed, maybe the xchat-gnome is better integrated in gnome3, i will try that and see if it's any better
[04:09] <aeon-ltd> ooph: using classic?
[04:09] <aeon-ltd> !classic | ooph
[04:09] <ooph> aeon-ltd: not available in 11.10 ?
[04:10] <ooph> !notunity
[04:10] <aeon-ltd> pp7: not the greatest solution but if there is really something you need from gnome-terminal you could just use another term
[04:10] <pp7> hah
[04:11] <_r00t_> !notubuntu
[04:11] <csdserver> !spoon
[04:11] <_r00t_> :( disappointing
[04:11] <ooph> hmm. that might be just the thing. I mostly miss being able to have system monitor in the panel, but i also hate the new applications interface and dock-style whatever-it-is that is always getting in my way - unless i'm looking for something, in which case it's *useless* and getting in my way.
[04:11] <ooph> _r00t_: what would you recommend, sir?
[04:12] <_r00t_> ooph: pinguy OS 11.04 - perfect for gnome 2 + compiz
[04:13]  * _r00t_ is using it at the moment on my laptop pingEEE 32bit with PAE on my notebook rips. Desktop 64bit pinguy os
[04:14] <ooph> pinguy looks like it still has the dock thingies, and the "menu bar from the current application is the one at the top of the screen" retardedness. those are (mainly) what i'm trying to avoid...
[04:14] <ooph> I would also like to point out that I'm not stuck on an ubuntu-based distro, or even a debian-based one.
[04:15] <Mesto> anyone had trouble with voiping from empathy to google voice plugin?
[04:16] <weirdpercent> I tried ubuntu, mint, and pinguy
[04:16] <Mesto> I imagine the restricted codecs are necessary?
[04:16] <ooph> i guess pretty much every distro is stuck on some sort of user-hating vendetta against normalcy and sanity, then.
[04:16] <weirdpercent> I settled on mint
[04:16] <_r00t_> ooph: I'm a shell guy... Don't know anything about WM - Fluxbox is my best friend but I found pinguy gave me all the tools I needed to understand how desktops work
[04:16] <bobweaver> Hello there I am trying to install bzr and am having python troubles error is bzr : Depends: python-bzrlib (<= 2.4.1-1ubuntu1.1~) but 2.4.2-0ubuntu1 is to be installed Recommends: bzrtools but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages
[04:16] <weirdpercent> mint is a good base to customize as you like
[04:17] <robin0800> _r00t_, I like gnome3 and compiz
[04:17]  * bobweaver installing python-bzrlib
[04:18] <_r00t_> robin0800: gnome3 and compiz don't mix #fail
[04:18] <weirdpercent> there's even reconstructorsys to roll your own custom distro.
[04:18] <bobweaver>  reconstructorsys  cool like remastersys ?
[04:18] <weirdpercent> that's what I meant yea
[04:19] <bobweaver> still in Depends heck
[04:19] <bobweaver> I thought that bazzar would install easy :>(
[04:19] <johnnyzero> ok I am back. I decided to upgrade to Lubuntu 11.10 and see if I can solve this Input Device problem. There must be a reason my USB Mic isn't being recognized in 11.10 but it is recognized in 10.10.
[04:20] <weirdpercent> ooph, what kind of interface do you want?
[04:20] <bobweaver> arrghh I want to checkout :>)
[04:20] <peeps[lappy]> is it possible to configure(add/remove items from) the gnome 3 panel?
[04:21] <bobweaver> peeps[lappy]:  alacarte and /usr/share/applications
[04:21] <bobweaver> I think menu is under ~/.locoal/menu
[04:21] <bobweaver> something like that
[04:22] <starlon> Anyone know what a good +5v value is? Mine's 6.32.
[04:22] <peeps[lappy]> bobweaver, not the menu, the panel
[04:22] <starlon> +12v I mean.
[04:23] <ActionParsnip> johnnyzero: is it muted in alsamixer?
[04:23] <peeps[lappy]> bobweaver, i'd like to know if i can add a ssytem tray to the top panel for example
[04:24] <_r00t_> starlon ? What do you mean : motherboard voltages ?
[04:24] <pnorman> starlon: I'd guess a good +12v value would be 12v
[04:24] <weirdpercent> I had problems with bazzar integration...
[04:24] <johnnyzero> ActionParsnip, it doesn't even see it in Alsamixer
[04:25] <johnnyzero> It does but not as a capture device
[04:25] <_r00t_> starlon: Here are mine http://paste.ubuntu.com/728789/
[04:25] <johnnyzero> I will show you a screenshot of my findings
[04:25] <ActionParsnip> johnnyzero: boot without it plugged in and log in. When the OS has settled, plug in the device, wait 10 seconds then run:  dmesg | tail -n 10     it may give clues
[04:25] <johnnyzero> alright
[04:25] <johnnyzero> I will try that
[04:25] <pnorman> _r00t_: What are you using to capture that info?
[04:26] <_r00t_> sensors | write pnorman
[04:26] <johnnyzero> act
[04:26] <johnnyzero> ActionParsnip, I will first show you what it says now
[04:26] <johnnyzero> Just in case it yields different results after reboot
[04:27]  * _r00t_ waits patiently for centos to download :/
[04:27] <_r00t_> !yum
[04:27] <Sypher> sup guys
[04:27] <pnorman> Ah, my sensors doesn't have nearly that much info
[04:27] <johnnyzero> these are the current results ActionParsnip http://pastebin.com/Pf3tCVC5
[04:27] <johnnyzero> Now to reboot and unplug
[04:28] <weirdpercent> my question is at what point in the boot process do the PCI cards get read because my sound cards used to work, and now they're not showing up in pulseaudio!
[04:28] <bobweaver> peeps[lappy]: take a look into /etc/xdg/menus
[04:28] <Sypher> you guys hear about Bodhi linux?
[04:28] <_r00t_> pnorman: yep varies from machine to machine
[04:28] <bobweaver> !ubottu source
[04:29] <ActionParsnip> Sypher: its not supported here
[04:29] <_r00t_> !rpm
[04:29] <Mesto> What about bodhi?
[04:29] <ActionParsnip> if its not a release by Canonical, it's not supported hee
[04:29] <ActionParsnip> *here
[04:29] <Sypher> Oh..sorry
[04:29] <Mesto> Sypher: What about it?
[04:30] <supajerm> anyone else having issues with I/O errors on harddrives |  3.0.0-13-generic #22-Ubuntu | everything works fine for awhile, then suddenly the hdd basically just doesn't show anymore
[04:30] <Sypher> its pretty cool
[04:30] <Sypher> its a really small distro based on Ubuntu's 10.04 LTS version
[04:30] <Sypher> its like Puppy, but better.
[04:31] <johnnyzero> ActionParsnip, here is the current pastebin: http://pastebin.com/HaeSFT9a
[04:31] <johnnyzero> as per your instructions
[04:33] <weirdpercent> Sypher so basically its puppylinux with an Enlightenment interface?
[04:33] <ActionParsnip> johnnyzero: ok, what apps have you tried the mic in?
[04:34] <johnnyzero> skype
[04:34] <Sypher> well it isnt Puppylinx, but its small, very lightweight like Puppylinux.
[04:34] <johnnyzero> ActionParsnip, would it help if I showed you output from the 10.10 live install to know what my current install might be lacking?
[04:35] <johnnyzero> Perhaps run some commands VIA that and put the output on pastebin
[04:35] <Sypher> and it is based off of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS.
[04:36] <Sypher> i tried to install it today, but my hardware must not be compatible.
[04:36] <ooph> Is there a way to get Gnome2 back, using Ubuntu 11.11? I would very much like for my computer to feel useful again, instead of feeling like a tablet without a touchscreen.
[04:36] <root__> hi
[04:37] <supajerm> Harddrive I/O error (internal sata), not sure what other info i could provide, but heres what ive seen thusfar:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/728793/  if anyone could help id appreciate it
[04:37] <Sypher> Ooph, im not to sure but when i installed Gnome back on 11.11 it did not look the same anymore.
[04:37] <urlin2u> Sypher, it is a good os if you can run ubutu you will run bidhi.
[04:37] <ActionParsnip> johnnyzero: compare the dmesg output first, see if its different.
[04:37] <starlon> _r00t_: Wow, I guess my power supply is probably going to die soon? heh
[04:37] <urlin2u> ubuntu*
[04:37] <Sypher> i think it's the Live Installer, ubuntu you can install without having to login LIVE.
[04:37] <johnnyzero> ActionParsnip, alright let me go onto Ubuntu 10.10 and run that exact command and pastebin it
[04:38] <johnnyzero> We can then compare it
[04:38] <Sypher> with Bodhi, u must login live in order to install.
[04:38] <weirdpercent> ooph: I still say try linux mint
[04:38] <Sypher> ooph: i would say switch to 10.04 LTS.
[04:39] <Sypher> gnome will be around for a log time on 10.04
[04:39] <ooph> Why are Ubuntu users are expected to transition from something they may like and appreciate to a complete new design every six months?
[04:39] <supajerm> change the 6 to a 2, and ask google the same question?
[04:40] <Sypher> some people like the latest software
[04:40] <Sypher> and some people like stability
[04:40] <urlin2u> ooph, that is not exactly true gnome 2 was there from the beginning until natty, so the six moth turn around usualy looks the same bqsically
[04:40] <jiltdil> ooph: this is just the way to develop new stable ubuntu LTS version :)
[04:41] <Sypher> ooph: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is by far one of my favorite ubuntu distros.
[04:41] <Sypher> it uses Gnome 2 as default as well.
[04:41] <|||||||||> hello Ubuntu
[04:41] <weirdpercent> honestly, I did not like Unity. I did not like Gnome Shell. I like Gnome Panel and Compiz and Cairo Dock
[04:41] <ActionParsnip> Sypher: Ubuntu is the distro, its just an earlier release ;)
[04:42] <Sypher> true
[04:42] <ubuntu64bit> jiltdil: exactly what i was gonna say some people want to see if it works and what bugs are
[04:42] <ooph> Sypher: switching to LTS would simply delay the inevitable craptastic change for another 6 months - what do I do then? It seems to me to be more useful to figure out how to force Ubuntu to act the way I want it to, the way it *used* to, so that I can make that change to each upgrade (assuming I stick with Canonical, despite it feeling like they want to kick me in the face all the time).
[04:42] <ActionParsnip> ooph: LTS is supported 3 years on the desktop
[04:42] <Sypher> ooph: the next update for LTS is in 2 years.
[04:42] <Sypher> or 3
[04:43] <ActionParsnip> next LTS is next year in April
[04:43] <ooph> next year, in april... so, 12.04 ?
[04:43] <Sypher> i dont think they will reject gnome2 though, or will they?
[04:43] <ActionParsnip> yes
[04:43] <Auckla> Well gentlemen. I am ZenMaster Also.
[04:43] <weirdpercent> I installed linux mint because I had to many problems with the 11.1 classic
[04:43] <Auckla> I tossed that old machine.
[04:43] <ooph> in other words, in 5 months.
[04:43] <Auckla> And built a new one. I don't know what it was that was not making it take a install of anything,
[04:43] <_r00t_> starlon: heh :)
[04:43] <Auckla> So this machine is currently half the hardware but three times the storage.
[04:44] <ActionParsnip> weirdpercent: mint has a tiny community compared to Ubuntu's
[04:44] <_r00t_> starlon: or it could be bad sensor readings
[04:44] <Auckla> Runs quiet, and best of all, it runs.,
[04:44] <amatuer> how to flood IRC on Linux ???
[04:44] <Sypher> amatuer: lol.
[04:45] <Sypher> Linus Torvalds said he hates Unity.
[04:45] <Sypher> or maybe that is a rumor
[04:45] <|||||||||> Is there a flooding program forLinux yet int he repositories? or an easy deb?
[04:46] <Stanley00> Sypher: where đi you hear about that?
[04:46] <Sypher> on google.
[04:46] <Sypher> but, dont hold me against it. it might be a rumor.
[04:46] <amatuer> what's keyword :D
[04:46] <Auckla> amatuer: ?
[04:46] <ooph> linus uses xfce
[04:46] <ooph> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linus-ditches-kde-and-gnome-so-what
[04:47] <Auckla> Anyone read what linus had to say about c++?
[04:47] <Sypher> No. if you know then share.
[04:48] <weirdpercent> ActionParsnip: if you compare mint to ubuntu yes , ubuntu dwarfs the linux mint community
[04:48] <pdkl> Auckla: yeah, c++ sucks, ever since the mad meta programmers taken over, its been made into a damn mess
[04:48] <Sypher> i like Python for its simplicity.
[04:48] <Auckla> pdkl: Just took the cake. :)
[04:48] <ActionParsnip> weirdpercent: could install LXDE or XFCE and use your Gnome apps there and get the great support from the Ubuntu community :)
[04:48] <Sypher> but i do not program.
[04:48] <_r00t_> weirdpercent: ubuntu has the biggest community so why is let down by poor quality builds /
[04:49] <Sypher> Toyota gave the linux foundation $100,000
[04:49] <Sypher> very big help.
[04:50] <An-iSociaL> can anyone help with iptables?
[04:50] <An-iSociaL> i dont understand a single thing about it
[04:50] <An-iSociaL> i want to configure inside and outside
[04:50] <_r00t_> An-iSociaL: shoot
[04:50] <urlin2u> _r00t_, can you name one thing in the world that any group is happy with?
[04:50] <|||||||||> An-iSociaL, yes just use MoBlocker
[04:50] <An-iSociaL> "if network is not <IP_ADDRESS> and connection is incoming and port not equal to 80 then deny"
[04:50] <_r00t_> urlin2u: pornhub :)
[04:50] <Sypher> What do you guys think about CentOS?
[04:51] <weirdpercent> ActionParsnip: I tried lubuntu, xubuntu, neither of those were right for me. linux mint's repositories can blend with ubuntu's without too much trouble
[04:51] <_r00t_> Sypher: liek
[04:51] <urlin2u> _r00t_, that is an answer that shows thta it is not possible eh. :D
[04:51] <urlin2u> that*
[04:51] <_r00t_> urlin2u: ;)
[04:51] <msqrdstr> hey all. i set a keybinding in metacity via gconf-editor to Ctrl-p, and later set it to something else. now Ctrl-p fails to do anything (e.g. doesn't open a print window in chrome, doesn't flip to the previous window in irssi).
[04:51] <|||||||||> "Mintuntu"
[04:51] <msqrdstr> for the life of me, i can't figure out what to _un_set to make ctrl-p functional again.
[04:52] <msqrdstr> i have tried resetting others keys -- i've only changed the one keybinding -- and googling for default bindings... but no luck.
[04:52] <msqrdstr> any ideas?
[04:52] <ooph> Sypher: CEntOS 6 may be where I am headed to get out of Unity/Gnome3 hell.
[04:53] <An-iSociaL> MoBlocker
[04:53] <An-iSociaL> i have no such
[04:53] <_r00t_> msqrdstr: what windows manager are you using ?
[04:53] <pdkl> ooph: try slackware
[04:53] <pdkl> its been here since day one almost
[04:53] <weirdpercent> Moboloquer
[04:53] <Sypher> slackware is very advanced. i am too noob for slackware at the moment.
[04:53] <ooph> yeah, i started hating slackware 14 years ago.
[04:53] <msqrdstr> _r00t_: default; gnome
[04:53] <_r00t_> ooph: Come to pinguy OS you'll be warmly welcomed :)
[04:53] <szal> pdkl: Slackware has officially dropped Gnome support long time ago
[04:54] <pdkl> szal, yeah, made me happy.
[04:54] <_r00t_> msqrdstr: do you have compiz running too ?
[04:54] <ooph> pdkl: I want to find something that will let me STOP fighting with my machine to do basic things :)
[04:54] <jiltdil> Sypher: ubuntu is also for beginners
[04:54] <Sypher> i use ubuntu.
[04:54] <weirdpercent> pinguy was pretty good
[04:54] <pnorman> Anyone know how I'd go about setting up a printer that prints to file on my server and sharing it to my windows machine?
[04:54] <|||||||||> Moblocker is automatic, runs great, and looks *real* sharp.
[04:54] <pdkl> ooph: try a mac?
[04:54] <_r00t_> jiltdil: ubuntu is also for very lazy sys admins like me
[04:54] <An-iSociaL> sigh
[04:55] <An-iSociaL> well atleast i feel better im not the only one who doesnt understand iptables
[04:55] <jiltdil> _r00t_ Right :) I bascially use fedora nd BT
[04:55] <An-iSociaL> tried webwin
[04:55] <ooph> pdkl: soory, no. I'm not scheduled for my lobotomy until end of next year... maybe at that point i'll reconsider.
[04:55] <An-iSociaL> its just as confusing
[04:55] <|||||||||> i am only a good user of Ubuntu
[04:55] <ooph> webmin is awful
[04:55] <An-iSociaL> also tried fwbuilder
[04:55] <jiltdil> _r00t_ But using ubuntu is a fun
[04:55] <msqrdstr> _r00t_: i've never messed with my wm, so if it's running by default, yes; how can i check?
[04:55] <An-iSociaL> still dont get it
[04:56] <_r00t_> An-iSociaL: what have you got so far ? - pastebin your iptables -L
[04:56] <An-iSociaL> where is the flag "incoming connection"?
[04:56] <An-iSociaL> i have nothing so far
[04:56] <weirdpercent> what about ailurus and ubuntutweak?
[04:56] <An-iSociaL> every time i add something its wrong and blocks all traffic
[04:56] <ooph> An-iSociaL: try using http://easyfwgen.morizot.net/gen/
[04:57] <pdkl> ooph: i dont like unity either
[04:57] <Sypher> I have used Ubuntu for a long time and thinking of switching to CentOS just to try something new for a while.
[04:57] <_r00t_> nice one ooph - now that is iptables for the lazy
[04:57] <ooph> An-iSociaL: It comments the heck out of what it's doing, making a secure start and making modificiation easier than trying to use the man pages and start from scratch
[04:57] <pdkl> Sypher: try slackware ;)
[04:57] <weirdpercent> There's Mobloquer, Firestarer, Gufw, all IPTables frontends
[04:57] <|||||||||> I feel it should be Linux law that *all* programs be easily available as deb files.
[04:58] <ooph> modification* . bleh, my typoist needs slapped.
[04:58] <Geoffrey2> I'm running ubuntu in command line on a laptop, I installed a usb multi-card reader, and lsusb shows it, how do I determine if it's mounted, or what I would need to mount in order to gain access to it?
 Study ufw from ubuntu documentation. It is better to study first
[04:58] <Sypher> is slackware for advanced linux users?
[04:58] <Sypher> i am not that advanced to be honest.
[04:58] <ooph> Sypher: no, slackware is for masochists
[04:58] <pdkl> dunno, its all basic to me
[04:58] <An-iSociaL> thanks ooph, im reading the output script
[04:58] <Sypher> lol
[04:58] <msqrdstr> anyone have a clue re: keybindings?
[04:58] <An-iSociaL> thats the backup plan jiltdil, i really just need to know what determines "incoming connection"
[04:58] <An-iSociaL> or "service"
[04:58] <An-iSociaL> or w./e
[04:59] <_r00t_> ok guys .... name the best distro you've used which lasted you the longest .... Mines Redhat 6.2 zoot which is still running today
[04:59] <|||||||||> If you goto the Moblocker page, and just copy and paste everything into thte terminal, it will work. I have no idea what I am copying and pasting.
[04:59] <pdkl> Sypher: you can always go on the web and read
[04:59] <ooph> _r00t_: I've been using Ubuntu for the last 4 years.
[04:59] <Sypher> I like ubuntu, works well and i never had a problem with it. and i learned many things using it.
[05:00] <Sypher> i did not know what a GUI truly was until i installed ubuntu.
[05:00] <Sypher> and CLI
[05:00] <ooph> i liked ubuntu... it worked well out of the box, and made my life easy in the "getting things to run" department. Unity changed all that, and made my life hell.
[05:00] <msqrdstr> _r00t_, have any ideas?
[05:00] <ooph> I'm currently running XP64 while looking for a new *nix distro
 Did u look at this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo
[05:00] <_r00t_> Sypher: PMSL ! so true !
[05:01] <Sypher> when ubuntu 11.11 came out i switched to 10.04 lts and so far so good
[05:01] <Sypher> hope it remains this way
[05:01] <weirdpercent> Geoffrey2: There's a project called libusb
[05:01] <|||||||||> For anyone interested in seeing a Linux broadcast, I have "Webcamstudio" running right now at Blogtv.com/people/analyzingfunny. Really nice program and I am currently broadcasting my desktop and this chat.
[05:01] <Sypher> sweet.
[05:01] <|||||||||> yup
[05:01] <Sypher> i will check it out
[05:01] <|||||||||> all green on black too!
[05:02] <jiltdil> Guys use ubuntu 11.10 and helps the community to fix bugs, report bugs. Don't switch back to previos versions
[05:02] <An-iSociaL> yea the how to is worse than the man page for iptables
[05:02] <weirdpercent> Geoffrey2: It's cross platform and you can use it to connect to just about any usb device
[05:02] <An-iSociaL> i just simply dont get it
[05:02] <_r00t_> msqrdstr: sorry dude ... I was thinking along the lines of compiz bindings eg gconftool-2 --set /apps/compiz/plugins/scale/allscreens/options/initiate_all_k
[05:02] <_r00t_> ey --type string Super_L
[05:02] <pdkl> ooph: it was really gnome 3 + unity.  gnome 3 has been a disappointment
[05:02] <pdkl> but on the other hand
[05:02] <pdkl> xfce is lovely
[05:02] <ooph> ugh.... how can you read like that? too much transparency
[05:02] <_r00t_> nawww my first ubuntu I used fluxbox on it and loved it
[05:03] <Sypher> unity is very heavy, on 10.04 i boot up at 130mb on UNity i was over 300
[05:04] <jiltdil> Sypher: They are moving to more graphical so going heavy
[05:04] <An-iSociaL> well thanks atleast for making me feel better
[05:04] <Stanley00> mine is over 1G now, and about 800MB before :))
[05:04] <An-iSociaL> laters
[05:04] <ooph> Funny you should mention that... I swiched to Linux because Windows was getting too bloated... now Linux is just as bad...
[05:04] <Sypher> not exactly Ooph, have you heard of Bodhi Linux?
[05:05] <Sypher> it seems like your style.
[05:05] <Sypher> www.bodhilinux.com
[05:05] <Sypher> give it a look
[05:05] <ooph> their website is unreadable without javascript enabled - immediate fail.
[05:05] <pdkl> steve jobs created unity in a weekend!
[05:05] <Sypher> i tried it, and booted up at 80 mb
[05:05] <ubuntu> Hi guys, I'm on a dual boot system. Win 7 repair crushed grub in the boot sector. I'm currently running ubuntu on a live CD. Please help on how to get grub to recognize all my previous systems installed... thanks
[05:05] <_r00t_> wow bodhi looks nice ... can you use compositing with it ?
[05:06] <Don_Rad> hi all, im using ubuntu 11.10 gnome shell on a dell inspiron 1545 laptop, i like to enable alt+tab key to switch windows and i think is disable on gnome shell, any idea to make it work? thanks :D
[05:06] <Sypher> yes root.
[05:06] <Sypher> u can
[05:06] <Sypher> super lightweight, but at the same time very stylish.
[05:07] <_r00t_> Sypher: you got to be kidding me ?  I recommend a lot of reading before playing with your bootsector.
[05:08] <starlon> Does the live CD happen to have an MBR repair utility?
[05:09] <ubuntu> ooph, I found this page. Please let me know if it makes sense http://ubuntuguide.net/how-to-restore-grub-2-after-reinstalling-windows-xpvistawin7
[05:09] <Auckla> Wow I am on a 100mbit network. And I just trahsfered 28megs at like 350k's a second.
[05:09] <_r00t_> starlon: you could try to do a grub-install from the livecd
[05:09] <Auckla> That is not right, via samba. Windows Seven to Ubuntu Linux.
[05:09] <starlon> _r00t_: k
[05:09] <ActionParsnip> starlon: sure, you can chroot from the liveCD and fix grub on the installed OS
[05:09] <ooph> ubuntu: what version of Ubuntu were you running before reinstalling Windows?
[05:09] <johnnyzero> ActionParsnip, there is clearly a large difference
[05:10] <johnnyzero> I have laid it out in this
[05:10] <starlon> ActionParsnip: thanks
[05:10] <johnnyzero> http://pastebin.com/dJZwLNCV
[05:10] <starlon> I think I recall how now.
[05:10] <ActionParsnip> johnnyzero: difference to what?
[05:10] <_r00t_> starlon: ActionParsnip has the better solution ;)
[05:10] <ActionParsnip> johnnyzero: oh the mic thing
[05:10] <starlon> _r00t_: :)
[05:10] <johnnyzero> yes
[05:10] <_r00t_> think I'll download bohdi
[05:11] <_r00t_> i386 only ? :/ Guess I could roll my own
[05:11] <ActionParsnip> johnnyzero: i'd see what: USBDEVFS_CONTROL failed cmd mtp-probe rqt 128 rq 6 len 1024 ret -110      is
[05:11] <stephni> hello please can brasero be used to burn system rescue iso on ubuntu?
[05:11] <ubuntu> ooph, no I didn't reinstall windows. I just went in recovery environment by mistake. I was running 11.04 ooph
[05:11] <Sypher> bodhi has trouble installing on my desktop.
[05:11] <Sypher> which sucks :(
[05:12] <ActionParsnip> stephni: sure, just right click the ISO and open it with brasero
[05:12] <starlon> What's bodhi?
[05:12] <zmy> hello
[05:12] <stephni> ok
[05:12] <Sypher> a linux distro
[05:12] <tensorpudding> bodhi is off-topic here
[05:12] <starlon> k
[05:12] <_r00t_> Sypher: that's the thing ... pingeee - perfect on my notebook - nightmare on my desktop.
[05:12] <ActionParsnip> Sypher: bodhi isn't supported here
[05:13] <Sypher> i know, i just offered some help to someone who was looking for a OS without hogging ram.
[05:13] <_r00t_> too much h8in bodhi here ;o
[05:13] <johnnyzero> ActionParsnip, I googled it. Came up with nothing.
[05:13] <ooph> ActionParsnip: don't be a jerkwad, the whole point of linux is to be free and open. if ubuntu can't tolerate a little competition, then there's obviously something wrong with it, no?
[05:14] <ActionParsnip> Sypher: ask in #bodhilinux   right here no freenode
[05:14] <okee> ok.  I now have an error message indicating that the bootloader install failed, and I am being given some options: 1) continue without a bootloader, 2) cancel the installation, 3) chose a different device to install the bootloader on.  What do I do?
[05:14] <Sypher> i was only offering help
[05:14] <ActionParsnip> ooph: its the channel policy, nothing to do with being  'jerkwad'.
[05:14] <ubuntu> ooph, did you get my message?
[05:14] <johnnyzero> ActionParsnip, At least we do know somewhat, the problem. In 11.10 there is an issue with how the devices are being found. The probing is faulty for some reason.
[05:15] <r3r4z3r> exit
[05:15] <ActionParsnip> ooph: none of the ubuntu spinoffs are supported here, they have their own channels for support
[05:15] <ActionParsnip> johnnyzero: I suggest you report a regression bug. My sound troubleshooting ability is basic at best
[05:15] <dr_willis> okee got a spare flashdrive? i tend to keep a backup grub setup on one for each box
[05:16] <okee> I am trying to install Ubuntu and need help.  I am half way through the installation and getting an error message, adivising that the bootloader install failed, and I am being given some options: 1) continue without a bootloader, 2) cancel the installation, 3) chose a different device to install the bootloader on.  What do I do?
[05:16] <ActionParsnip> johnnyzero: what you have is valuable though, maybe others can help but definately paste the text in your bug (not the pastebin link as they eventually expire)
[05:16] <ooph> ActionParsnip: I didn't say you needed to support it.  I was actually already told to "wait for a fix" though waiting for me is annoying. I am rather impatient.
[05:16] <johnnyzero> Though ok I will submit this to launchpad?
[05:17] <johnnyzero> Is that where it goes?
[05:17] <ubuntu> oh gosh! The solar flares are flaring people's feelings today!
[05:17] <|||||||||> okee first step dont panic. Feel confident that these are trained professionals here to help you.
[05:17] <ubuntu> guys, relax!
[05:17] <Sypher> does it count as it being off topic if Bodhi is based on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS?
[05:17] <ActionParsnip> johnnyzero: could use maverick, its still very supported
[05:18] <ActionParsnip> !bug | johnnyzero
[05:18] <Aleo> hi ppl
[05:18] <johnnyzero> alright
[05:18] <ActionParsnip> Sypher: yes, there are LOADS of dumb ubuntu spinoffs, none are supported here
[05:18] <ActionParsnip> !ultimate
[05:18] <okee> I am trying to install Ubuntu and need help.  I am half way through the installation and getting an error message, adivising that the bootloader install failed, and I am being given some options: 1) continue without a bootloader, 2) cancel the installation, 3) chose a different device to install the bootloader on.  What do I do?
[05:18]  * _r00t_ is with Sypher
[05:18] <dr_willis> okee got a spare flashdrive? i tend to keep a backup grub setup on one for each box
[05:19] <|||||||||> somsip, you are sayin *not * to just keep using 10.10 like I do? I thought I could keep my 10.10 look, but upgrade to the lastest fixes?
[05:19] <johnnyzero> ActionParsnip, I know for a fact it is not a problem with Lubuntu in particular as the Unity edition has the same exact issue.
[05:19] <ubuntu> okee sorry I wish I could help you but I am not very good
[05:19] <johnnyzero> So I do have that much information
[05:19] <ubuntu> okee what version are you trying to install?
[05:19] <gr0uch> okee: try a different device to install boot loader
[05:19] <ooph> There are some Ubuntu derivatives that are not worth supporting due to incomprehensible changes forced on the users by Shuttleworth. Examples: any Ubuntu version after 10.04
[05:19] <okee> Dr. Willis.> I am a first time installer.
[05:19] <ActionParsnip> johnnyzero: its probably the alsa stuff, or the kernel detecting the hardware
[05:19] <johnnyzero> Ahh understood
[05:19] <Aleo> try a different device yes
[05:19] <Sypher> ooph: Lol.
[05:19] <Aleo> if it fails cancel
[05:20] <okee> I don't know which device to install to.  Win 7 came installed by default, and I am trying to dual boot.  I was hoping to avoid damaging the Win 7 installation.
[05:20] <okee> I guess I could reinstall Win 7 if the linux distro eats its space.
[05:20] <ooph> okee: be careful with adjusting partitions, but installing "side by side" should do what you want it to.
[05:20] <Sypher> there is an option at boot up to install along side with win7
[05:20] <ActionParsnip> okee: I'd continue without, then boot to live CD and you can install the boot loader there, you could take the option to install the bootloader to a different drive (assuming yuo have more than one)
[05:21] <okee> Ubuntu's installer is a bit primitive.  Sambayon and Gentoo allow you a sliding partition installer, so you don't have to worry about damaging something already installed.
[05:22] <ubuntu> okee, are you trying to install ubuntu alongside windows on same hard drive?
[05:22] <ooph> gentoo allows you to spend a full day on the installation process before getting to use your "optimized" system. I don't see the point in gaining a fraction of a percent of performance by spending hours and hours on any software install.
[05:22] <ooph> Sabayon was nice, a few years ago. Is it still around?
[05:22] <zmy_> hello
[05:22] <ActionParsnip> okee: the resizing partition stuff is also in Ubuntu
[05:22] <ubuntu> yes choose other option okee
[05:23] <Rrandy> Hello, thanks for any help in advance.  I'm trying to use evolution to connect to my work 2010 exchange server - Is there a way to connect with activesync?
[05:24] <_r00t_> OMG Rrandy ... buy a new phone !
[05:24] <Aleo> by the way, any clue why the print screen only captures the background ?
[05:24] <ooph> Rrandy: exchange is actively hostile to non-microsoft clients. use OWA or skip the whole thing and pick a better email server.
[05:24] <ubuntu> ActionParsnip, would you kindly mind checking this http://paste.ubuntu.com/728805/ and let me know if this looks good to restore my grub configuration please? It was overwritten by windows' restore option by mistake.
[05:24] <Aleo> I used the printscreen key and the screenshot program both do the same
[05:24] <Rrandy> d'oh.  My atrix connects just fine.  I want desktop access too r00t.  OWA is not working, and I don't have a choice of a different email server ooph.
[05:25] <johnnyzero> ActionParsnip, the bug has been submitted. Hopefully there is a fix for this.
[05:25] <Rrandy> Web access works well in mozilla for 2010, but I really prefer a client rather than a web browser.
[05:25] <ActionParsnip> ubuntu: I'm not conversant with grub like that, sorry
[05:26] <ActionParsnip> johnnyzero: I think it will :)
[05:26] <ubuntu> okee, if you want more careful, download a free partition magic for windows at download.com such as easeus partition manager
[05:27] <Aleo> why partition magic if I can use the Windows 7 native disk management
[05:27] <Aleo> if he
[05:27] <KingFisher> Hello. I am having difficulty mounting an SD card into my SD port. When I insert it nothing happens. Do I need to download a specific driver?
[05:27] <ubuntu> ActionParsnip, you are one of the most linux litterate on the channel. If you don't know, nobody knows here!
[05:27] <okee> Well I changed the install to \dev\sda3, and only windows comes up at boot time.  What did I do wrong?  Does this mean I need to reinstall ubuntu?
[05:27] <ooph> ubuntu: you can pretty much do whatever you want to with grub, and if it breaks, just boot from the livecd and fix it.
[05:27] <starlon> said by ubuntu no less
[05:28] <WanderingEnder> Hey, wondering why my battery monitor in 11.10 freaks out. As in: Gives wild guesses to time remaining. I have 74% free, and it just gave me a critical battery alar.
[05:28] <okee> I am a victim of the amazing disappering operating system.....
[05:28] <ubuntu> right that is true ooph
[05:28] <ActionParsnip> ubuntu: I always boot liveCD and reinstate the bootloader there
[05:28] <okee> Oh yeah?
[05:28] <ActionParsnip> ubuntu: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/09/live-usb-sticking-grub-2-video/
[05:29] <ubuntu> how do you do that ActionParsnip? I'm in a liveUSB ubuntu now. Oh thanks a lot. I think you sent me a link. I appreciate it.
[05:29] <nixxofugi> im running the installer from the livecd but it wont let me pick what partition or drive i want to install to. the list is empty. can anyone help me?
[05:29] <DuncanPhillips> can anyone help me figure out my SD card problem?
[05:30] <Sypher> ALot of these problems are hard to explain the answer but takes seconds to fix in person.
[05:30] <_r00t_> ActionParsnip: have you used schroot - it's supposed to make chrooting easier by also mount binding your dev devices etc
[05:30] <ActionParsnip> _r00t_: not heard of it, apparently the alternate CD has a 'reinstall grub' option
[05:30] <Aleo> by the way, any clue why the print screen only captures the background ?
[05:30] <melvincv> Ubuntu One Control Panel gives me an error when I try to sign in: An exception representing an authentication failure. But I'm able to log in via Firefox.
[05:30] <nixxofugi> anyone?
[05:31] <_r00t_> ActionParsnip: cool
[05:31] <ubuntu> How come I'm coming up as Ubuntu today?
[05:31] <melvincv> nixxofugi: Please check if your hard disk is detected in the BIOS
[05:31] <ubuntu> mmmm weird
[05:31] <ActionParsnip> _r00t_: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/566   looks sweet :)
[05:31] <nixxofugi> it is. as well as in gparted and fdisk
[05:31] <_r00t_> ubuntu: your nick is FTW :)
[05:32]  * StepNjump Ubuntu now Stepnjump
[05:32] <_r00t_> ActionParsnip: yeah looks sweet - haven't used it myself either :p
[05:32] <_r00t_> :p I meant :o soz ActionParsnip
[05:32] <StepNjump> I was not worthy!
[05:32] <okee> Will windows 7 native disk manager allow me to partition for Ubuntu Linux?
[05:33] <StepNjump> lol
[05:33] <ooph> ubuntu: because you're running from a livecd, and/or you didn't edit your preferences in your irc client?
[05:33] <melvincv> nixxofugi: can u post the output of 'sudo fdisk -l'
[05:34] <Aleo> okee: do the resize on partition, then maybe you have to shrink first
[05:34] <Aleo> than linux will format that new partition
[05:34] <Aleo> then
[05:35] <dr_willis> okee: it can resize and leave space unallocated for linux to use
[05:35] <Aleo> shrink and create a new one with disk manager, after point the linux installation to the new partition
[05:36] <okee> so I don't need another partition Manager?  I can just use the one inside Windows 7?
[05:36] <Aleo> okee: yes
[05:36] <Aleo> it is good as any other partition manager
[05:36] <okee> ok
[05:36] <Aleo> only do things well and with attention
[05:36] <Aleo> :)
[05:36] <okee> I am trying to figure out how to get in there.  I installed Ubuntu, but it didn't come up at boot time.
[05:37] <okee> only win 7........
[05:38] <Aleo> okee: open computer management, than inside you have disk management
[05:38] <dr_willis> okee the unallocated space becomes a new prtition by the linux installer
[05:38] <Auckla> So I have a question?
[05:38] <Auckla> Is there a way to make it to where when I close my laptop and does not turn off? For instance my lappy screen is smashed so I use another screen.
[05:38] <pnorman> Anyone used the cups-pdf package? I'm trying to set it up on my server. When I print a test page through the CUPS web interface it doesn't appear in the Out directory set in cups-pdf.conf.
[05:39] <Urk> ok.  I am actually talking from my laptop, which is actually next to my desktop.
[05:39] <Auckla>  /redraw
[05:39] <Aleo> okee: are you installing inside windows ?
[05:40] <Aleo> with wubi ?
[05:40] <ActionParsnip> pnorman: http://www.miscworld.net/55/how-to-setup-pdf-print-server-on-linux   may help
[05:40] <Aleo> I don't trust Wubi, but the Linux Mint installer inside windows work fine
[05:41] <Geoffrey2> is there any reasonably easy way to move your evolution boxes and config files from one computer to another?
[05:41] <ooph> Auckla: https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/ubuntu-help/power-closelid.html
[05:41] <Urk> Where do I go inside Windows to find the partition fixer?
[05:41] <Auckla> I figured it out.
[05:41] <Auckla> Thank you ooph. :D
[05:41] <Auckla> I have never done this before. :D
[05:41] <Aleo> Urk: computer management them disk management
[05:42] <Aleo> you have one of the most powerfull
[05:42] <ActionParsnip> Urk: there are youtube vids on how to resize partitions in WIn7
[05:43] <ooph> Don't thank me - I hate Ubuntu now. I'm actually mainly idling here while I surf to find instructions on putting Gnome2 back on my desktop so I don't have to reinstall in order to get rid of Unity.  If I wanted PlaySchool's "My First Tablet OS" on my desktop, I'd have gone straight for Android 4.0
[05:43] <Aleo> you have one of the most powerful disk management on command prompt but it is command line interface
[05:43] <harsh343> I got an error in mysql on ubuntu what i can do ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[05:43] <Aleo> just type diskpart
[05:43] <harsh343> please help me
[05:43] <ooph> Aleo: gparted works well