[05:03] <pragomer> hi. I read about xubuntu 19.10 would ship with 4.14. thats super awesome. can you tell at what point of this year there could be a "daily iso" that contains already 4.14 (so to have a look at it) ?
[06:59] <brainwash> pragomer: the current one has 4.14 (pre1)
[07:00] <brainwash> pragomer: in a week or so 4.14 (pre2)
[07:52] <pragomer> brainwash: so I could check that with xfce4-panel --version for example, right?
[07:59] <Unit193> xfce4-panel 4.13.5 (Xfce 4.12)  is what it says, so not precisely.
[08:12] <ochosi> Unit193: we're working on that, that string will be correct with 4.14pre2
[08:16] <knome> bluesabre, naaah
[08:16] <knome> ;)
[08:22] <Unit193> \o/
[08:22] <Unit193> bluesabre: Yeah I'm still officially -1 on it, fwiw. :3
[08:29] <Unit193> knome: FWIW, xubuntu.org/irc doesn't load the same now.
[08:29] <knome> aha.
[08:30] <Unit193> https://webchat.freenode.net/#xubuntu?nick=xubuntu?w  something like this.
[08:30] <knome> right.
[08:30] <Unit193> (Not sure if that should be updated, or fixed on freenode's redirector.)
[08:30] <knome> let's see if i can persuade it to the correct syntax
[08:30] <knome> :P
[08:32] <knome> ok, it's good now
[08:39] <Unit193> Which means it's broken in the installer and docs too.
[08:39] <knome> yeah..
[08:40] <Unit193> Perhaps the redirector should be fixed to account for that, I'm checking.
[08:40] <knome> mkay.
[08:40] <knome> let me know and i can push stuff to repositories if not
[08:44] <Unit193> I'd think better to not need the redirector going forward, but that's just me perhaps.
[08:45] <knome> ok, i'll poke the repositories anyway then
[08:49] <knome> Unit193, halp!
[08:49] <knome> how do i create a new "cosmic" branch for docs that has the stuff that's in master?
[08:50] <Unit193> Do you mean to `git branch cosmic` or to branch off a tag?  If the latter, git checkout $TAG
[08:50] <knome> we don't have a cosmic tag..
[08:51] <knome> https://code.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs
[08:51] <Unit193> Could go off a comit.
[08:51] <knome> so after that, git commit?
[08:51] <knome> (after "git branch cosmic"?)
[08:52] <knome> i somehow got the grasp of the branches last time, but i've lost it :P
[08:52] <Unit193> !info xubuntu-docs
[08:53] <Unit193> Yeah, hasn't been an upload since, so no tags.
[08:53] <knome> so do we care about creating a cosmic branch?
[08:54] <Unit193> I don't see why.
[08:54] <knome> ok
[08:54] <knome> so i just update master?
[08:54] <Unit193> Sure.
[08:54] <knome> oookay
[08:55] <Unit193> git diff | diffstat →  9 files changed, 16 insertions(+), 14 deletions(-)
[08:55] <Unit193> Oh that's nice.
[08:55] <knome> wut
[08:58] <Unit193> I seem to have local changes to xubuntu-docs.
[08:58] <knome> nice
[08:58] <knome> also, 18.10 says UNRELEASD in changelog
[08:58] <knome> how do i create a new version with that craaap? :P
[08:59] <knome> change UNRELEASED to cosmic?
[08:59] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/5hNXrAIZZSUOKwaJccdS
[08:59] <Unit193> Why cosmic?
[08:59] <knome> because 18.10?
[09:00] <Unit193> We'd be uploading this to eoan.
[09:00] <knome> no, but there is changelog stuff that talks about cosmic stuff?
[09:01] <knome> ...or haven't we release those?
[09:01] <Unit193> Never uploaded, and the only change he did for that was adding d/changelog...
[09:01] <Unit193> So doesn't count.
[09:01] <knome> sigh...
[09:01] <knome> ok, sure
[09:01] <Unit193> https://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/commit/?id=ff3a49d1e336cff8c19cd08ea4b9fce88ef9fac9 isn't really a bump...
[09:01] <knome> hahah
[09:01] <knome> right
[09:07] <knome> docs should be up.
[09:10] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-docs:: Update the webchat link to accommodate new syntax @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/commit/?id=df78eb09adb77bb498d076a4f2416ecd0824407e (by Pasi Lallinaho)
[09:42] <knome> Unit193, docs and slideshow are pushed
[09:42] <knome> with https even, now :P
[09:45] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-docs:: Webchat link: http->https @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/commit/?id=709b8ee41cba07ac821d8d4ca53743a08cf6bb35 (by Pasi Lallinaho)
[09:49] <Unit193> \o/
[11:34] <jphilipz> Unit193, knome: i filed a bug yesterday to update the irc link - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1834270
[11:36] <jphilipz> knome, Unit193: installer also has wrong link to docs - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1834269


[01:44] <thermo> I am having an issue with connecting to wireless
[01:45] <thermo> it connects to my network, but the internet doesn't work
[01:45] <thermo> however, I have 4 other computers which all are working with internet
[01:46] <thermo> I'm stumped, I've gone through for 2 hours of forum posts
[01:46] <thermo> i think its nameserver issues
[01:46] <thermo> but i am new to this and lost
[01:49] <dundee> kubuntu 13.04 dolphin starting too slow + context menu takes long to appear. Any help please.
[01:55] <dundee> anyone experience slow startup for dolphin in kubuntu 13.04?
[02:01] <lier> sd
[02:01] <lier> hi
[02:02] <smartboyhw> Hi lier
[02:04] <lier> = =
[02:04] <lier> 我不会英语。。。。
[02:05] <lier> smartboyhw: T T
[02:09] <smartboyhw> lier: I speak Chinese
[02:09] <smartboyhw> I am Chinese (AFAIK from Hong Kong)
[02:11] <mustafa> hi
[02:11] <smartboyhw> Hello mustafa
[02:12] <mustafa> what is this chat room about, do people talk about here?
[02:12] <smartboyhw> mustafa: Kubuntu User Support
[02:13] <mustafa> oh thanks
[02:38] <nova_> with Kubuntu 13.04 am I supposed to have Kscreen, or kde-workspace-randr?    I think it started when I used Muon package manager to remove "residual configuration" that included kde-workspace-randr.
[02:39] <nova_> Now I've restored some function by installing randr and removing kscreen...but now im bothered with prompts when i enable to disable another monitor.
[02:58] <dundee> anyone experience slow startup for dolphin in kubuntu 13.04?
[02:58] <dundee> Trying to get some help for quite some time now.
[02:59] <ToPhEr0613> no issues with dolphin here
[02:59] <ToPhEr0613> actually 13.04 has been running pretty quick on my machines
[03:00] <dundee> ToPhEr0613: Everything is very quick except for dolphin.
[03:01] <ToPhEr0613> I do however have an overheating issue on my laptop...threw together some parts to   make a cooling platform..5 cooling fans
[03:02] <dundee> ToPhEr0613: The context menu for dolphin is also slow.
[03:02] <ToPhEr0613> maybe on your system!
[03:03] <dundee> ToPhEr0613: Dolphin has always been speedy for me. It was fast in 12:10
[03:04] <ToPhEr0613> ok..not slow here...Im an ex windows user so anything thaats faster than windows is quick for me
[03:04] <dundee> ok...LOL
[03:05] <ToPhEr0613> 13.04 is definately quiicker than 12.10
[03:05] <dundee> Definately. That is why I can't understand dolphin's performance.
[03:06] <nova_> does the speed of dolphin have anything to do with devices you have connected?
[03:06] <dundee> Because of this I spend most time on my ubuntu unity partition.
[03:07] <dundee> nova_: I don't have any devices connected.
[03:07] <nova_> mine starts in <2 seconds
[03:07] <ToPhEr0613> as long as  it runs quick once its open ..for me thats ok i am running 9 devices on my network, I just fgured it was a bit of network lag
[03:07] <dundee> nova_:  Mine starts in about 5 secs
[03:08] <ToPhEr0613> about right
[03:08] <nova_> yeah i would suspect any devices, mounted drives, network devices..whatever needs to be listed in "Places" as soon as it opens
[03:09] <dundee> Before when I had 12.10 installed, it started in <2 seconds. Almost immediately
[03:10] <ToPhEr0613> everything else running quick? might want to disable some animations and the indexing
[03:13] <ToPhEr0613> gnome runs slow if installed on 13.04
[03:14] <dundee> ToPhEr0613: Everything else runs fast. So I know its dolphin. Konqueror starts fast too.
[03:16] <ToPhEr0613> i get the same speed for konqueror and dolphin..(initial launch takes a few seconds..Still faster than explorer)
[03:19] <nova_> would starting it from a console tell you antying maybe?
[03:20] <dundee> I know its not the effects as I disabled everthing and its still slow.
[03:20] <dundee> When I start from the terminal I see this: QPixmap::scaled: Pixmap is a null pixmap
[03:23] <nova_> yeah i get a few of those
[03:23] <nova_> YOu said you have several network devices?
[03:24] <dundee> nova_:  No, I have no networked devices.
[03:26] <nova_> I would disconnect from the LAN completely and try it out
[03:26] <nova_> pull the plug or disable the network adapter..maybe reboot..and give it a try
[03:27] <nova_> one post im reading says "the cause is an useless (IMO) call to DNS service during startup process. So, the slowdown is the waiting time for DNS response. "
[03:45] <fbc_> I had never really given KDE a shot before, but now since they've removed/disabled(however unintencional)  SAMBA CREDENTIALS in UBUNTU, I'm discovering how really awesome KDE is especially for us techy folks.
[03:51] <BluesKaj> fbc_, KDE is very versatile and configurable , that's why i chose it over gnome many years ago.
[03:52] <BluesKaj> and it was more familiar looking to us old windows guys
[03:52] <fbc_> It's not as bloated as I thought it was going to be. Gnome feels more sluggish than KDE does.
[03:52] <fbc_> Yeah, it is a bit more familiar.
[03:53] <fbc_> I started with Windows 3.1.. Whew.. Almost can't remember what it looks like.
[03:54] <BluesKaj> one can bloat kde very easily if autoremove and autoclean aren't run periodically
[03:55] <BluesKaj> yeah , old W 3.1 was my first experience with pcs on the job
[03:57] <BluesKaj> we were a bit behind the curve technology-wise
[03:57] <fbc_> Yeah, I can almost remember having to instal IPX, NETX for the novell servers that usd to be in fashion at the time. Connecting to BBSes on my 2400 baud modem with Telex(?), and using debug  to low level format my MFM and RLL controller with debug g=c800:5. Boy those were the days.
[03:58] <BluesKaj> too many short forms ...you lost me :)
[04:00] <nova_> yeah I tried Ubuntu...never liked gnome..and don't much care for Unity either
[04:00] <fbc_> I'm sure there are people here that know what I'm talking about. We can't be all 15 year olds.
[04:00] <nova_> yeah I remember those terrible days too
[04:01] <BluesKaj> didn't take long to find ljnux/kubuntu after buying a home desktop type pc after retirement and then it became my hobby
[04:03] <BluesKaj> unity is probly a good desktop if one takes the time to figure out it;s quirks , but Ican't br bothered . KDE is much more straight forward
[04:03] <fbc_> I use mine everyday for work. I love being able to do things in linux that just confound the average windows user.
[04:04]  * BluesKaj stares at the KB
[04:04] <fbc_> I had someone the other day that was amazed I could connect to an Active Directory Windows share and pull all the files. hehehe
[04:05] <BluesKaj> windows is more of a tool for those who don't want to involve themselves in OSs
[04:05] <nova_> I'm optimistic that MS will entirely destroy windows and their grasop on desktop PCs
[04:05] <nova_> grasp*
[04:07] <BluesKaj> android is a game changer I think ...doubt we'll ever see anything from it for the desktop tho
[04:07] <fbc_> nova_: Yeah, I believe that eventually they will deminish their market share in the personal pc market, but retain corporate marketshare.
[04:09] <nova_> not sure id want a pc that works like a phone
[04:09] <fbc_> nova_: The PC marketshare will be retained by gamers and warcraft users.
[04:10] <nova_> yeah the gaming industry is goign to kill that though
[04:10] <ToPhEr0613> thats called windows 8...(stay away) Thats what caused me to switch to linux completely
[04:11] <nova_> I stopped play wow...no one plays..you can't fill raids..the peopel that do play are SO BAD most of the time
[04:11] <nova_> playing**
[04:11] <ToPhEr0613> gamesare for xbox or ps pc's do work and require knowledge
[04:11] <nova_> on linux?
[04:12] <nova_> I'm hoping Steam for linux does well
[04:14] <BluesKaj> managed to get extfsd to work on W7 with read/write access
[04:14] <ToPhEr0613> this will help you fix everything!   http://nedmartin.org/v3/amused/engineering-flowchart
[04:14] <fbc_> nova_: I stopped playing a while ago, but I'm thinking of getting back into it. My kids are starting to want to be with friends more.
[04:15] <fbc_> nova_: Yeah steam really ticked off Richard Stallman. I really don't get his issue with it. I think more people jumping on the linux band wagon is good.
[04:15] <BluesKaj> I mean access to the liinux partitions on this pc
[04:16] <fbc_> BluesKaj:  You mean EXT3/4 right?
[04:17] <valorie> richard stallman is about GNU, not linux as such
[04:17] <BluesKaj> no EXTFSD, fbc_ o...it works with ext4 if you use the force read/write option
[04:18] <ToPhEr0613> anyone ever hear anymore on the unix linux lawsuit??what ever happened?
[04:18] <BluesKaj> ToPhEr0613,  never heard a thing about that
[04:19] <fbc_> ToPhEr0613: Nope I haven't.
[04:19] <fbc_> ToPhEr0613: The last one I heard about ws this one: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/04/google-loses-linux-patent-lawsuit-implications-for-android.html
[04:20] <ToPhEr0613> unix was suing linux for using unix code..is that cleared up?
[04:20] <fbc_> ToPhEr0613: Who owns the rights to unix now? SCO? Did ATT labs sell it?
[04:21] <ToPhEr0613> i thought it was sco
[04:21] <audio> o.O
[04:22] <audio> whats the trick to installing xp on my 2nd HD with kubu raring on first? i formatted 2nd to ntfs. and the installer still wouldnt take it
[04:22] <nova_> how can one sue linux...does someone run "linux"?
[04:22] <valorie> I thought sco was dead in all but name
[04:22] <ToPhEr0613> http://www.informationweek.com/sco-threatens-to-sue-all-commercial-linu/9901350
[04:22] <ToPhEr0613> last i heard!
[04:22] <fbc_> audio: You will need to make a grub entry.
[04:22] <nova_> oh like redhat
[04:23] <audio> fbc_ well i'm not really worried about booting win .. it just won't install, and never ran into this before
[04:23] <ToPhEr0613> audio: just use virtualbox
[04:24] <audio> hm, i'll give that a shot , thx
[04:24] <fbc_> ToPhEr0613: Yeah, that's going to affect redhat and such. I don't think it will affect our community.
[04:24] <nova_> did you partition and format with the xp installer?
[04:24] <audio> i did
[04:24] <audio> and also tried with gpart
[04:25] <nova_> hdd or ssd?
[04:25] <audio> it still didn't meet wins requirements for some reason
[04:25] <audio> hdd
[04:25] <ToPhEr0613> hope not , cause i have no intentions of giving up kubuntu
[04:25] <nova_> sata?
[04:25] <nova_> or ide?
[04:25] <audio> sata
[04:26] <nova_> configured in bios as such too?
[04:26] <audio> ive had win 8 and kubu, win 7.. just can't get xp to work
[04:26] <audio> yuo
[04:26] <audio> yup*
[04:26] <nova_> yeah i cant imagine why...ive had tons of issues with te 7 installer but not xp
[04:26] <audio> i tried with a default boot partition , ive tried with whole disk.. i donno
[04:26] <audio> ya exactly
[04:26] <nova_> it formats ok but fails when copying?
[04:26] <audio> lol.. never had this one before
[04:26] <fbc_> Anyone having problems with 13.04? I'm still on LTS and I'm considering going to 13.04. Any problems?
[04:26] <audio> nope, all is successful
[04:26] <audio> so it says
[04:26] <nova_> could it be the media?
[04:27] <BluesKaj> Windows likes to be the first OS on amy HDD , because it looks to install mbr on the first 512bytes  on the hdd
[04:27] <audio> it just gets to the option to pick the partition i want
[04:27] <ToPhEr0613> as far as I can see it runs perfect on all my pc's, now I they need to rrelease a vversion for tablet and smartphone to the public
[04:27] <BluesKaj> usually on /dev/sda
[04:27] <audio> it says its good to go, but when i hit next it says doesnt meet the requirements
[04:27] <audio> but it's plenty big enough,, it says it only needs 17k or so
[04:27] <audio> im tryin 150g
[04:28] <nova_> yeah xp isnt very big
[04:28] <audio> nah the disk is fine.. its a legit copy..  works on my desktop
[04:28] <audio> and the hd im adding to is empty
[04:28] <audio> don't make no sense ;\
[04:28] <nova_> well empty..but theres a MBR on it right?
[04:28] <audio> ya
[04:28] <audio> i meant no other os
[04:28] <audio> sry
[04:29] <BluesKaj> just put Windows on the first partition and you should be ok
[04:29] <nova_> i know in the past ive put linux on a drive...and had a hell of a time tryign to get windows to accept its use afterwards
[04:29] <audio> yea but even without an MBR on a drive.. it should still install fine
[04:29] <audio> thats just booting it afterwards
[04:30] <audio> i had a nice lesson with that on efi n dual booting win 8 awhile back lol
[04:30] <audio> twas fun
[04:30] <fbc_> Anyone having problems with 13.04? I'm still on LTS and I'm considering going to 13.04. Any problems?
[04:30] <audio> none that i've ran into..
[04:31] <fbc_> I might do the release upgrade tonight then.
[04:31] <BluesKaj> fbc_, 13.04 is running fine here , finally
[04:31] <nova_> there was a problem with the plasma panels..something bad happened with the default bar at the bottom
[04:31] <audio> i'd do a fresh install , but thats just me
[04:31] <nova_> i didnt notice as mine is on the left side
[04:32] <nova_> thats what i heard anyway.....no problems with 13.04 here
[04:32] <nova_> and i did a dist upgrade and it went ok
[04:33] <nova_> audio: im wondering if windows wants the mbr and boot secotrs and what not to look right ebfore itll install
[04:33] <nova_> before**
[04:33] <audio> possible.. i'm trying to look up default partition requirements now
[04:34] <BluesKaj> I'm actually on 13.10 atm ,and theonly issue I have is FF freezing the odd time
[04:35] <BluesKaj> keeping the 13,04 install as my fallback of course
[04:35] <ToPhEr0613> oooh the saucy salamander
[04:35] <audio> you have your drivers installed?
[04:36] <BluesKaj> yep
[04:36] <audio> word
[04:36] <ToPhEr0613> alot of changes?
[04:36] <nova_> audio: is the disk youre installing to setup as the boot disk?
[04:36] <BluesKaj> not too mkuch yet , but's early days still
[04:36] <fbc_> I was gonna use 13.10 because 13.04 did not have a amd64+mac installer.
[04:37] <nova_> in bios
[04:37] <ToPhEr0613> they need to add features so you can attach files from a network drive and save to a network drive
[04:37] <nova_> also..speakign of drivers....xp didnt include sata drivers
[04:38] <audio> o.O
[04:38] <nova_> did you press f8 to insert your floppy disk
[04:38] <audio> i did not
[04:38] <nova_> do you have a floppy drive
[04:38] <audio> right after the license agree screenr ight?
[04:38] <audio> nope
[04:38] <audio> laptop xD
[04:38] <audio> damn
[04:38] <nova_> you need to grab nlite and slipstream an install disk with sata drivers
[04:38] <audio> poo
[04:38] <nova_> its not hard
[04:39] <audio> outta disks
[04:39] <nova_> head the to pc manufacturers site and look for sata drivers, specifically the...i think its F6 floppy actually
[04:39] <nova_> slipstream it to a bootbale usb driver perhaps
[04:39] <nova_> drive*
[04:39] <audio> i think i got a vista disk floatin around here somewhere
[04:40] <nova_> eww
[04:40] <audio> agreed
[04:40] <audio> but im not gonna install it
[04:40] <audio> gonna use the disk xD
[04:40] <nova_> once you have the f6 floppy drivers..you use nlite to make a copy of the xp install disk..you tell it about the drivers..set whatever options you like and tell it to make an iso
[04:41] <nova_> i assume you can drop that iso on a fat32 formatted usb drive
[04:41] <nova_> and boot from it
[04:41] <audio> hmpf
[04:41] <nova_> though there might be more to doing that
[04:41] <audio> actually
[04:41] <nova_> the alternative is set the HD controller to IDE mode in bios and lose performance
[04:42] <nova_> you could also use this method to test to see if the drivers is indeed the problem
[04:42] <nova_> nlite = win though
[04:42] <audio> ya
[04:42] <nova_> you can slip in any other drives you want too..latest nvidia drivers..whatever
[04:42] <nova_> drivers**
[04:42] <audio> even for linux?
[04:43] <nova_> no nlite is specifically for xp
[04:43] <audio> ah ok
[04:43] <nova_> not sure if it has to be run on xp to make a disk or not
[04:43] <nova_> probably any windows
[04:43] <audio> i gotta make an iso off this disk
[04:44] <audio> hey what do ya know
[04:45] <audio> this lil readme / instructions on here says sata ready
[04:45] <audio> hmpf
[04:45] <audio> it has both 32 n 64 also
[04:45] <audio> werd
[04:45] <nova_> oh on the installer?
[04:45] <nova_> xp disk i mean
[04:45] <audio> ya
[04:46] <nova_> its not one of those terrible "black edition" releases is it?
[04:46] <audio> naw
[04:46] <audio> pc store's burnt disk
[04:46] <audio> has boot repair n shit too
[04:46] <audio> oops "crap*
[04:46] <FloodBotK1> audio: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:46] <nova_> OH NOW YOU DID IT
[04:47] <audio> xD
[04:47] <nova_> so its a legit retail style copy?
[04:47] <audio> yessir
[04:48] <audio> hm
[04:48] <nova_> ok then...install virtualbox or vmware for linux..install an XP virtual machine..good time to verify the media does work..use said VM to install nlite and create your own custom xp disk
[04:48] <ToPhEr0613> ubcd might help out
[04:49] <nova_> there is some generic sata drivers i think..but i know they didnt help me any when isntalling windows 7...i had to use a f floppy driver even on 7
[04:49] <nova_> f6 floppy*
[04:49] <audio> really
[04:49] <audio> weird
[04:49] <audio> i've never had that prob
[04:49] <nova_> so whatever has been slipped into your still might not be good enough
[04:50] <audio> ya
[04:50] <nova_> yeah 7 has given me lots of trouble
[04:50] <nova_> it didnt like my new ssd right out of the box..until i booted off another drive and repartitioned it and reformatted it
[04:51] <audio> oh ya
[04:51] <ToPhEr0613> nova was this a bare bones build system? most manufacturers are using a hidden boot partition for emergency rrecovery
[04:51] <nova_> like i said easy way to verify that its a sata driver issue is to switch the controller to IDE mode in the bios temporarily
[04:51] <nova_> yeah custom built
[04:51] <nova_> brand new sandisk ssd
[04:52] <audio> hehe
[04:52] <audio> brb ima try installin
[04:56] <ToPhEr0613> and xp runs on ssd? never tried jus wondeerring
[04:59] <nova_> it should though its not optimized for how ssd words
[04:59] <nova_> i wouldnt recommend it
[04:59] <nova_> you would have to make sure to disable prefetching and defragging and whatever else kills a ssd
[05:00] <ToPhEr0613> i wouldnt attempt it xp is outdated...fine for virtualbox but as a side by side install?
[05:01] <ToPhEr0613> then again microsoft would have to pay me to use their os now!
[05:01] <nova_> im not sold on this ssd thing anyway...random acces is stellar but sequential reads are slower than my fake raid 0
[05:02] <nova_> i run 7 with vmware running kubuntu
[05:02] <nova_> overall i like 7..but it has its quirks
[05:02] <ToPhEr0613> xp in vpc ( i rarely use it though ...for phone roms)
[05:03] <nova_> the free xp mode?
[05:03] <ToPhEr0613> 7 was ok 8 disappointed me...wasted my $ then switched to kubuntu
[05:03] <nova_> yeah im not going near 8..sounds like a disaster
[05:03] <ToPhEr0613> it is
[05:03] <nova_> but ms has a pattern
[05:04] <ToPhEr0613> its a cellphone os
[05:04] <nova_> windows millenium, vista, now 8
[05:04] <nova_> they screw up in between good releases
[05:04] <ToPhEr0613> yep maybe next version will be ok
[05:04] <nova_> exactly
[05:04] <nova_> just sit on 7 for 8-10 years like you did xp
[05:05] <ToPhEr0613> thats why all these companies are just now getting off xp and going to 7
[05:05] <nova_> they probably still sell XP
[05:05] <nova_> and hate that they do
[05:05] <ToPhEr0613> i still get updates on vpc
[05:05] <nova_> yeah until 2014
[05:06] <smartboyhw> nova_: That's why I switched to Ubuntu/Kubuntu. 8 is a conplete crap
[05:06] <ToPhEr0613> i thought they stopped supporting xp?
[05:06] <nova_> soon
[05:06] <smartboyhw> ToPhEr0613: Soon, March/April 2014
[05:06] <ToPhEr0613> lol
[05:07] <smartboyhw> 8th April, 2014: End of Windows XP
[05:07] <nova_> i tried that xp mode vpc thing....its such a dinosaur....then i found you can jsut install xpmode without vpc and then import it into vmware....works like a champ now
[05:08] <nova_> vbox probably does the same thing
[05:08] <ToPhEr0613> im not licensed for vmware...if its free its for me
[05:08] <nova_> vmware is free
[05:08] <nova_> vmware player
[05:09] <nova_> confusing a bit because it used to only "play" a vm not create one..but now it does both
[05:09] <ToPhEr0613> o i was looking at the vmware desktop client on their site...was a trial
[05:09] <nova_> vmware workstation is their premium version...its a bit different
[05:09] <nova_> but player does quite a bit and is free
[05:09] <ToPhEr0613> looking for it now
[05:10] <nova_> ive used both..i decided i liked vmware more than vbox
[05:10] <nova_> it had alot to do with the drivers supporting opengl
[05:10] <ToPhEr0613> gotta  love that its always opengl junk
[05:12] <nova_> without opengl you lose alot of the kde eyecandy
[05:12] <nova_> if my windows dont wobble im taking my ball and going home
[05:13] <ToPhEr0613> i know but its always an issue with opengl
[05:13] <nova_> yeah..i think now both vbox and vmware have it fixed on their end
[05:13] <nova_> kde 4.10 screwed it up again..but theres a way to foce it back on
[05:13] <nova_> by setting an environment variable
[05:16] <nova_> here's how to get "xp mode" working in vmware http://blog.zeltser.com/post/15781390680/windows-xp-mode-for-vmware-virtualization.
[05:17] <nova_> the example is vmware workstation but the principles are the same
[05:18] <valorie> folks, can we keep the discussion here on kubuntu?
[05:18] <nova_> sorry we drifed from kubuntu
[05:18] <valorie> you are welcome to discuss windows etc. on #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:19] <nova_> if it helps we were discussing how much cooler kubuntu is than windows : D
[05:19] <Audio> Word
[05:19] <Audio> Found the serv n chan first time on phone lol
[05:19] <valorie> hah
[05:19] <Audio> Xps installin ;D
[05:20] <Audio> Found there drivers in the cd nova
[05:20] <nova_> oh cool
[05:23] <Audio> Oh well ofc
[05:23] <nova_> so i had a question hours ago..about kubuntu even.  I was screwing around again and i used muon package manager to remove "residual configurations", which sounded like leftover junk I didnt need.  one of the things removed was "kde-workstation-randr"...i recently dist upgraded from 12.10 and it makes sense that randr wouldnt be necessary now as theres a new "kscreen" doodad.  Yet somehow I screwed up my ability to enable a
[05:23] <nova_> second monitor with vmware
[05:24] <Audio> Im only installing to Fox some nvidia drivrr probs on this monster lap top
[05:24] <Audio> Oo
[05:24] <Audio> No clue about vm nevrr use out
[05:24] <nova_> I've managed to restore the ability to enable a second monitor as it existed in 12.10..which wasnt ideal as it pops up a windows asking me if i want to configure stuff.
[05:25] <Audio> I dual n tri monitor on kde tho
[05:25] <nova_> this would be equal to plugging in or unplugging a monitor
[05:25] <Audio> Ya
[05:25] <nova_> kscreen was supposedly added to make it seamless and easy
[05:26] <Audio> Kde was the only distro I could ever get true dual monitors with diff desktops n multi panels on stable
[05:26] <Audio> On top of that was using nouveou drivers
[05:26] <nova_> i think it was working out after the dist upgrade...I only noticed it having problems after removing randr completely
[05:26] <Audio> Was dope
[05:27] <smartboyhw> Audio: Kde is a desktop environment, not a distro. Kubuntu is a distro
[05:27] <valorie> you might try running kde-jockey and see what is available to you
[05:27] <Audio> Ya I gave up on up upgrades long ago.. always clean install 4 me
[05:27] <valorie> KDE is actually a community which makes the software
[05:27] <valorie> :-)
[05:28] <Audio> Ya u know embassy I meant.. I'm on a phone and smoking some amazing hash. Forgive me
[05:28] <Audio> What
[05:28] <Audio> ;)
[05:29] <nova_> i dont think my problem is a driver problem...as it is a VM..but i did try both vmware proprietary drivers and open-vm-tools from the ubuntu servers
[05:30] <Audio> 68 percent woot
[05:30] <nova_> i know kscreen is a bit new
[05:30] <Audio> Ya its def not driver related
[05:30] <Audio> Its you deleting stuff xD
[05:30] <nova_> ive tried remving ranr and installing kscreen..installing both...removing both...
[05:30] <nova_> yeah im sure it was me being reckless
[05:31] <Audio> Have you tried fresh install?
[05:31] <nova_> but comeon..."residual configuration"...its even sounds grimey
[05:31] <Audio> Lolol
[05:32] <Audio> Ima have to crash course myself in using vm.. never had A reason to
[05:32] <nova_> im pretty sure a fresh install would fix it..but id have so many other things to tweak to get back to where i am
[05:32] <nova_> just jump in and try it..youll like it
[05:33] <Audio> Copy ur home settings folders
[05:33] <nova_> using both 7 and kubuntu on the same pc at the same time..sharing folders and files no problem...using either monitor..or both monitors
[05:33] <nova_> copy and paste works between oses
[05:34] <Audio> Nice
[05:34] <Audio> Ya I got droid air and quite a few comp s
[05:35] <nova_> you can run all your comps on one comp at the same time : D
[05:35] <Audio> Mhm
[05:35] <Audio> S beam man
[05:36] <nova_> hmm?
[05:36] <Audio> I can slkide or Swype a file or what ever from one monitor top the other and wala
[05:36] <Audio> Slide
[05:37] <Audio> But ya I wanna play with it anyway
[05:37] <Audio> Sounds good if ur not on a network
[05:38] <nova_> i had messed with linux on and off for many years..but when i discovered virtualization I realized I can actually use linux and its not a pain
[05:38] <Audio> Heh
[05:38] <nova_> what do you mean if youre not on a network
[05:39] <Audio> Well all mine n wifeys computers ate all shared thru out network
[05:40] <Audio> So if I wanna share or send files I just click/send to name
[05:40] <Audio> Share screens.. stream w/e
[05:41] <nova_> i recall seeing something like that...but it relies on netwrok transmissions to send the screen from pc to pc right?...like VNC or a remote control program
[05:41] <Audio> Kinda.. and some times
[05:42] <Audio> I can share that way.. go google android air and kies air
[05:43] <Audio> Airdroid I mean
[05:43] <Audio> Sry
[05:44] <Audio> Its also set up like s cloud/ server.. I can be in town at the bar or some thing and access my pcs
[05:44] <Audio> A
[05:45] <Audio> And stream musoc from home.. or share n take videos n pixs
[05:45] <ToPhEr0613> Audio I just setup a 3tb nas that works thaat way
[05:45] <Audio> Nicee
[05:45] <ToPhEr0613> take a pic and it will auto upload
[05:46] <Audio> Ya.. if im in my house or close it uses blutooth kinda..
[05:47] <Audio> Makes xfering a lil faster
[05:47] <ToPhEr0613> hp officejet printers work similar to that too hpeprint
[05:47] <Audio> We had a few old school gate ways and just turned them into a big server
[05:47] <Audio> Ya same thing
[05:47] <nova_> the last mobile phone I owned was a StarTak : /
[05:47] <Audio> Hehe
[05:48] <Audio> Galaxy s3 n htc one here
[05:48] <ToPhEr0613> same here audio
[05:48] <Audio> Love my s3
[05:48] <Audio> Nice
[05:49] <valorie> again: #kubuntu-offtopic please
[05:49] <ToPhEr0613> yep did you mood it
[05:49] <ToPhEr0613> sry
[05:49] <Audio> Im shovin the wide thru an eclipse n java crash course for droid dev
[05:50] <Audio> Root ya
[05:50] <Audio> Sry val
[05:51] <Audio> Nice install was successful.. ty for the driver reminder nova
[05:51] <valorie> don't be sorry; move the conversation
[05:51] <punit9462_> hey...is it possible to have ubuntu/kubuntu on samsubg galaxy ace  ? ...
[05:52] <valorie> punit9462_: we're working on phones and tablets
[05:52] <nova_> theres an ubuntu for android in the works
[05:52] <Audio> Ya
[05:52] <Audio> Their still workin on the os
[05:52] <valorie> testers and developers welcome
[05:52] <valorie> see #plasma-active for the KDE bits
[05:53] <valorie> and #kubuntu-devel for getting kub on devices
[05:53] <Audio> Hope does that kde on win 8 coming along val?
[05:53] <Audio> Id it stable yet
[05:53] <Audio> Is
[05:53] <ToPhEr0613> waas asking about that before val, I saw it on the page, will it be open to hoome users and will we need root access
[05:53] <valorie> that I don't know
[05:53] <valorie> I just know where the experts and testers hang out
[05:54] <darkstar28> #brasil
[05:54] <Audio> I'm edition on my s4 to arrive .. then I'll test n help out
[05:54] <Audio> Heh lucky u
[05:55] <Audio> Waiting +
[05:55] <ToPhEr0613> anyone know if netflix or hhulu supports kubuntu?
[05:56] <nova_> hulu works...
[05:56] <Audio> Hulu desktop n tv?
[05:56] <ToPhEr0613> hulu plus?
[05:56] <nova_> though there are some drm issues with a couple shows that i know of
[05:56] <valorie> hmmm, I thought there was a kde-win channel, but I guess not
[05:56] <Audio> Disnt they stop supporting desktop ?
[05:56] <ToPhEr0613> i have the hulu plugin for xbmc
[05:57] <Audio> O nice
[05:57] <nova_> I just use the site itself
[05:57] <ToPhEr0613> but its not the plus plugin
[05:57] <Audio> Im always breakin my xmbc lol
[05:58] <ToPhEr0613> lol that needs fixing, xbmc is slow in kubuntu 13
[05:58] <Audio> Ya.. and I switch from touch screen to non and their themes are one or the other
[05:59] <Audio> So it tends to mess up on me
[06:00] <Audio> I keep veerin off topic my bad
[06:01] <Audio> I'm a go get a drink I'll be back
[06:01] <nova_> you have to add "in kubuntu" to the and of everything..just like you add "in bed" to the end of every fortune cookie fortune, in kubuntu.
[06:01] <ToPhEr0613> lol
[06:03] <Audio> Lol
[06:05] <Audio> Crap. Whats ghe grub update cmd
[06:05] <valorie> !grub
[06:05] <Audio> Audio update-grub o
[06:11] <ToPhEr0613> wow look it's chuck norris...in kubuntu
[06:11] <Audio> Lol
[06:12] <valorie> he needs some duct tape
[06:13] <ToPhEr0613> lol'
[06:15] <ToPhEr0613> ..watching traffic..in kubuntu
[06:26] <Audio> Dang forgot how xp ran with 8gb tam lol
[06:26] <Audio> R
[06:27] <ToPhEr0613> audio ur gonna get scolded iin kubuntu
[06:27] <Audio> Im on kubuntu lol
[06:27] <valorie> not scolding, just asking to keep this to kubuntu support
[06:27] <Audio> They was  just helpin me dual boot xd
[06:27] <valorie> we have #kubuntu-offtopic for everything else
[06:28] <ToPhEr0613> im dual booted to offtopic in kubuntu
[06:31] <Audio> What's thr chan name
[06:32] <ToPhEr0613> Kubuntu Off-Topic
[06:33] <ToPhEr0613> kubuntu-offtopic
[06:33] <ToPhEr0613> sry
[06:37] <nova_> join #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:37] <nova_> oops.
[06:37] <nova_> how do i join another channel
[06:38] <nova_> nvm...shhh
[06:38] <audio_fm> im in there
[06:38] <audio_fm> xD
[09:56] <dishantp> hi, i have a doubt related to inheritance in c++!
[09:56] <dishantp> , i want to access an object of ,say class1 defined in class 2, from class 3, any way to do it?
[10:05] <tsimpson> dishantp: ##c++ is a better place to ask
[10:05] <dishantp> i know, c++ redirects me to ##overflow
[10:06] <tsimpson> you need to be registered and identified with NickServ to join it
[10:06] <tsimpson> !register
[10:08] <dishantp> !register
[10:09] <bazhang>  /join #freenode dishantp
[12:49] <Whiskey`Wonka> wxl: if i run muon in cli, i get this error QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
[12:52] <basse> hi, i am running Raring, and i have laptop with external monitor plugged into it. so it's dual monitor setup. i've set the big external monitor as "primary" because i want programs to pop into that primarily ..
[12:53] <basse> problem is, next time i boot the computer without the monitor plugged in, after login the laptop goes black. as if "only one monitor detected, let's use what is set as primary". .
[12:53] <basse> can this be? or do i have something wronly set.
[13:04] <Whiskey`Wonka> basse: yea that can happen. shouldnt but does. try your monitor switch buttons (Fn + F5 often but check for your laptops)
[13:14] <basse> Whiskey`Wonka: i tried.. everything
[13:15] <Whiskey`Wonka> basse: then you will need to remember to reconfigure every time
[13:15] <basse> Whiskey`Wonka: sadly i only managed to log into kde after getting to home to my extra monitor.. this used to work just fine before, it's new behavior.. but i just have to live with it for now.. so i set laptops display as primary for now
[13:16] <Whiskey`Wonka> yea
[13:16] <Whiskey`Wonka> im trying to remember if i have had that issue but i always keep my laptop as primary
[13:16] <basse> Whiskey`Wonka: well i have these extra sessions thingys now that i'm working with.. so in log in i don't choose "plasma desktop" but i have "dual setup" and "single setup" just incase..
[13:17] <basse> i managed the day at work with fluxbox.. but you know.. it's not the same :)
[14:14] <fbc_> Hi guys how can I remove the transparent back ground on my calendar? I recently upgraded to 13.04.  Can't seem to locate where to remove this.
[14:34] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:12] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[15:14] <zebedee__> afternoon all
[15:14] <lordievader> Hey zebedee__, how are you?
[15:14] <zebedee__> I am good thank you for asking
[15:14] <zebedee__> hope your well too
[15:15] <lordievader> zebedee__: I am doing good :)
[15:15] <zebedee__> glad to hear it
[15:15] <zebedee__> just going through my usual weekend punishment of learnig linux - lol
[15:16] <lordievader> Learning Linux ain't punishment, it is fun :)
[15:16] <zebedee__> lol depends on your outlook - I just get frustrated  but keep coming back
[15:17] <zebedee__> but the good news is kubuntu seems to have now cracked my three screen problem
[15:17] <lordievader> zebedee__: With what are you having problems?
[15:17] <zebedee__> all I need to do now is get the change permanent
[15:18] <zebedee__> using xrandr I have set vga2 to be 1920x1200
[15:18] <zebedee__> but each time I log in I have to redo it
[15:19] <zebedee__> reading through the forums (and not speaking geek well enough) I just get lost and nothing seems to apply to my setup when I go looking round the directories
[15:19] <lordievader> zebedee__: Going through the SystemSettings program doesn't work?
[15:20] <zebedee__> no because when I first start kubuntu it does not know my TV/Monitor can display such a high resolution
[15:20] <zebedee__> and I get given 1204x768
[15:20] <lordievader> zebedee__: Thats an odd resolution. Anyhow what video-card are you using?
[15:22] <zebedee__> 1st screen is fine at 1920x1080  2nd screen is fine at 1680x1050  they both run off my nvidia card fitted in a slot   tv/monitor runs off onboard intel chip
[15:23] <lordievader> zebedee__: Ah yes that is quite tricky. What you could do is put the xrandr commands in a script and let that script run when you login to your KDE desktop.
[15:23] <zebedee__> and yet I cant find a simple tutorial to show me that
[15:23] <zebedee__> I know the xrand r commands to run
[15:25] <lordievader> zebedee__: Could you pastebin those for me?
[15:25] <lordievader> !paste | zebedee__
[15:27] <zebedee__> ok two ticks please
[15:28] <zebedee__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5632557/  << I think I did it right
[15:30] <zebedee__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5632565/  <<<< and that is xrandr  output
[15:30] <lordievader> Haven't done xrandr in a while, but your missing the line where you set your tv to the resolution.
[15:31] <zebedee__> its the --addmode vga 2 line
[15:31] <zebedee__> that bit makes it work
[15:32] <zebedee__> --newmode tell it screen res to use
[15:35] <lordievader> zebedee__: This script should setup your tv/monitor correctly. Add it to the login scripts I'd say: http://paste.kde.org/737606/
[15:36] <zebedee__> thank you for the info lordievader - I will now go and read up how to do that :D
[15:37] <zebedee__> its the one think I love about kubuntu - the community is awesome
[15:37] <zebedee__> its one of the things - lol
[15:37] <lordievader> zebedee__: Systemsettings -> Startup and Shutdown
[15:37] <zebedee__> there are plenty more :)
[15:39] <zebedee__> ok - lets see if I did it right - back soon I hope :)
[15:54] <rosco_y> whenever I access one of my hard drives, it goes to sleep and one CPU 1 pegs up to 100%, does anyone know what is happening here?
[15:55] <rosco_y> I'm using LTS, and it feels like this happened after the most recent kernel  updates
[15:55] <rosco_y> I don't know what they were
[15:55] <rosco_y> and I'm only guessing
[16:00] <rosco_y> there are two kworkers,  kworker/0:1 and kworker/1:0, in the Process Table whos CPU % (in System Monitor) reports "disk sleep"
[16:00] <rosco_y> It happens even when I do an find . or a du on it
[16:04] <zebedee|2> Hi Lordievader
[16:04] <zebedee|2> I am back but not on kubuntu
[16:04] <zebedee|2> the script worked great - thank you
[16:04] <zebedee|2> but I was having problems with usb  mouse would not work
[16:04] <rosco_y> does anyone know what "kworker" is?
[16:04] <zebedee|2> so I could not click in this screen to type
[16:05] <zebedee|2> annoyingly all usb working fine here
[16:05] <lordievader> zebedee|2: Welcome back, is that related to a wrong placement of desktops?
[16:06] <zebedee|2> not that I was aware of - none oe the use hubs lit up and whilst keyboard worked - plugged into main machine - mouse did not
[16:07] <zebedee|2> good excuse to buy new usb hub   these ones are 7/8 years old now
[16:10] <lordievader> zebedee|2: Ah yes that does point in the direction of the hub ;)
[16:11] <zebedee|2> but the screen worked superb - thank you
[16:11] <lordievader> zebedee|2: No problem, glad I could help.
[16:11] <zebedee|2> and it must be intermittent problem as working fine now here in the W place
[16:12] <zebedee|2> will have a nother session tomorrow - thanks again
[16:12] <lordievader> zebedee|2: :)
[16:12] <zebedee|2> bye for now
[16:25] <RamchandraApte> hello, sound isn't working (it's using dummy output). (I think a restart might fix it but I want to fix the root of the problem) alsamixer says cannot open mixer: no such file or directory
[16:25] <RamchandraApte> (when I run alsamixer, it outputs "cannot open mixer: no such file or directory")
[16:39] <anonymity> hey guys i need your help ... i installed kubuntu 13.04 on my notebook i just bought ... so everything is working except sound on my inbuild boxes
[16:42] <NePk_> I've a problem too, I can't execute .sh files, it executes with "gedit".
[16:42] <NePk_> But yesterday, i could
[16:43] <anonymity> open it in a terminal and type sh ./whatever.sh   for example
[16:43] <NePk_> I can't
[16:44] <NePk_> I've already do it. It isn't work. (Sorry for my english, i'm french).
[16:45] <anonymity> ok is the file set   chmod u+x  ?
[16:45] <anonymity> is the first line simliar to #!/bin/bash ?
[16:46] <NePk_> Yes, and yes
[16:47] <NePk_> :/
[16:47] <anonymity> what have u changes since yesterday?
[16:47] <anonymity> changed*
[16:47] <anonymity> tried to execute it as root ?
[16:48] <NePk_> I've installed Ubuntu 13.04 and PlayOnLinux (wine).
[16:49] <anonymity> type  the word bash into a terminal  and then try again to execute
[16:49] <yahyaa> just installed Evolution, and for some reason it wont connect to my gmail account
[16:49] <anonymity> what does your terminal say ?
[16:49] <yahyaa> can someone help please
[16:50] <NePk_> bash: ./home/bastien/Bureau/monfichier.sh: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
[16:50] <NePk_> Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type = Any files found
[16:50] <Artakha> /home
[16:50] <Artakha> not ./home
[16:51] <Artakha> ./home would imply a directory named home in the current directory
[16:51] <NePk_> ah !
[16:51] <anonymity> yes :)
[16:51] <NePk_> if i just write /home/bastien/Bureau/monfichier.sh
[16:52] <NePk_> nothing happens
[16:52] <NePk_> but if i write '/home/bastien/Bureau/monfichier.sh'
[16:53] <NePk_> monfichier.sh is launch on gedit.
[16:53] <Artakha> then it probably executed and printed nothing
[16:54] <Artakha> further you shouldn't enclose commands with quotes anyway, and finally, you said you installed ubuntu 13.04, did you install kde on it or should you be using #ubuntu instead?
[16:56] <NePk_> I was on Ubuntu 12.10, and I accept the update to 13.04
[17:25] <NePk_> If i
[17:26] <NePk_> fail
[17:47] <anonymity> hi guys :)  i bought a dell r17 se  some days ago and well .. sound was not working @ all .. because of several config changes in /etc/modprobe.d/*  files  and /etc/pulse/* files i could at least make the subwoofer work ... can anyone tell me how to make the frontboxes work too ?
[17:51] <anonymity> anyone?
[18:43] <pillar> I need help
[18:44] <pillar> I have a tar ball to install driver using ubuntu 12 and don't know what to do
[18:45] <andresrtm> hello
[18:45] <pillar> first time here
[18:45] <andresrtm> same for me
[18:46] <andresrtm> i'm exploring and maybe can resolving questions
[18:50] <andresrtm> :)
[18:53] <BluesKaj> pillar, why a tarball ?
[18:54] <BluesKaj> pillar, where did the driver come from ?
[18:56] <BluesKaj> pillar, check the kmenu>apps>system>additional drivers for installing the recommended driver for your kubuntu version
[19:00] <pillar> using ubuntu 12.04 am I in wrong channel
[19:00] <anonymity> hi everyone ... i have some serious problems with my soundoutput on dell r17  .. well i first i had no sound at all over the inbuild soundboxes and after some configuring with snd-intel modell=alc269-dmic    and some other stuff i got the subwoofer working
[19:00] <anonymity> but the front speakers arent working
[19:01] <anonymity> can anyone help me pls
[19:01] <anonymity> dont wanna go back to windows :D
[19:01] <BluesKaj> pillar, this is the right channel for kubuntu support of all versions
[19:01] <pillar> k
[19:03] <BluesKaj> anonymity, did you run, sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel , in the terminal
[19:03] <pillar> any idea what I need to do to install  HD100C_12.10.tar.gz
[19:04] <BluesKaj> pillar, first of all what is that driver for, graphics card or ?
[19:08] <anonymity> BluesKaj   modprobe says nothing
[19:09] <BluesKaj>  anonymity , good that means the driver/ module loaded prperly
[19:09] <anonymity> ok
[19:11] <anonymity> BluesKaj  do you have a clue what i could do about it ?
[19:12] <BluesKaj> open alsamixer and turn all nthe output ctls up to at least 90%
[19:12] <BluesKaj> anonymity,^
[19:12] <anonymity> did it
[19:16] <BluesKaj> anonymity, what output are you using to feed your speaker system in system settings>multimedia>phonon>device preference
[19:17] <BluesKaj> use the test button to check which soundcard settings work
[19:17] <BluesKaj> output settings that is'
[19:18] <anonymity> due to my changes on the configs i use simultaneous output to internes Audio Analog Stereo
[19:18] <anonymity> it works for the subwoofer
[19:18] <anonymity> all other devices dont work
[19:19] <BluesKaj> pillar, install unp , then do unp /path/to tarball file  in the terminal
[19:20] <BluesKaj> anonymity, which configs .../etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf ?
[19:22] <anonymity> i added options snd-hda-intel model=alc269-dmic    and  options snd-hda-intel model=ref
[19:22] <anonymity> well im not really sure if those are the ones i need , at least they got the subwoofer working properly
[19:23] <anonymity> i tried   model=dell    aswell  but no soundoutput with that
[19:24] <BluesKaj> anonymity, the first setting is for a microphone input , the second isn't proven to work , try changing it to , options snd-hda-intel index=0 , to make the soundcard default for all devices
[19:32] <anonymity> change model=ref    to index=0 ?
[19:34] <anonymity> ok i test that and i will come back soon
[19:39] <pillar> k
[19:39] <BluesKaj> pillar, install unp , then do unp /path/to tarball file  in the terminal
[19:40] <pillar> please explain unp
[19:40] <BluesKaj> !unp
[19:41] <BluesKaj> unp extracts mostr compressed files like tarballs etc
[19:41] <anonymity> ok nothing changed :)
[19:41] <pillar> i just found the unp cmd line
[19:42] <BluesKaj> anonymity, how are you speakers connected to the soiund card ?
[19:42] <BluesKaj> your
[19:42] <anonymity> what do you mean by that ? they are inbuild speakers
[19:43] <BluesKaj> oh a laptop
[19:43] <pillar> does unp do the same as winrar
[19:43] <BluesKaj> yes
[19:44] <BluesKaj> anonymity, did you try the phonon settings again ?
[19:45] <pillar> ok
[19:45] <pillar> I have a folsed
[19:45] <pillar> folder
[19:45] <BluesKaj> also , anonymity , install pavucontrol , it helps make you sound output settings stick
[19:46] <pillar> named XI100XE
[19:47] <pillar> no what
[19:47] <BluesKaj> pillar, ok look for a file that ends in  .run
[19:47] <BluesKaj> file extension  .run
[19:47] <pillar> in the XI100XE folder are three folders  Bin, include, Source
[19:48] <pillar> where do I look
[19:49] <BluesKaj> pillar the .bin file is the install file for the driver , is there a readme file ?
[19:50] <anonymity> hmm well i guess i need to try more thinks.... thank u BluesKaj so far :)
[19:50] <pillar> in the "include" folder are 3 more folders common Drivers OSAbstract
[19:50] <pillar> no
[19:50] <pillar> 5 files ending in .o
[19:52] <pillar> in the source folder their are 3 folders and a Makefile file
[19:53] <pillar> DIRS = 	OSAbstract
[19:53] <pillar> Drivers/XI006AEPRO	\
[19:53] <pillar> Drivers/XI100XE		\
[19:53] <pillar> Drivers/XI102XE
[19:53] <pillar> all:
[19:53] <pillar> 	for d in $(DIRS); do (echo Building $$d; cd $$d; $(MAKE) all; cd .. ); done
[19:54] <BluesKaj> pillar , open a terminal , chmod +x nameoffile.bin , then, ./nameoffile.bin ..the fist command is to make it executable , the second should install it
[19:54] <pillar> I will try
[19:55] <BluesKaj> the terminal has to be in the file location path
[19:59] <sithlord48> im currenly upgrading from 9.10->13.04 on a 600Mhz athlon w/ 192MB of ram.. can't wait to see if kde4.10 runs better.
[20:00] <pillar> the name of the extracted tar ball is XI100XE in that folder are Bin  include Source is the correct command  chmod +x XI100XE.bin  ?
[20:00] <BluesKaj> sithlord48, doubt it , not enough memory
[20:00] <sithlord48> BluesKaj: oh yea it should be fun.
[20:01] <BluesKaj> pillar, yes
[20:01] <BluesKaj> pillar, then ./XI100XE.bin
[20:02] <pillar>  chmod +x XI100XE.bin resulted in chmod: cannot access `XI100XE.bin': No such file or directory
[20:02] <BluesKaj> pillar you have to cd to the file location folder
[20:03] <pillar> I thought I was in it
[20:03] <BluesKaj> or open a terminal in the file location
[20:03] <pillar> how
[20:04] <BluesKaj> the default location in terminal prrompt is /home/user
[20:04] <pillar> in the gui?
[20:05] <pillar> what I do because I am new to this is drag the bin folder into a terminal window and it shows me the path
[20:05] <pillar> '/home/gary/Downloads/XI100XE/Bin'
[20:05] <BluesKaj> right click where folder is located , choose actions >open terminal here
[20:07] <pillar> no actions
[20:08] <pillar> terninal in gary@UB-Linux:~/Downloads/XI100XE/Bin$
[20:09] <BluesKaj> yes , now, ./XI100XE.bin
[20:11] <pillar> not working
[20:12] <BluesKaj> which means?
[20:12] <pillar> chmod +x XI100XE.bin resulted in chmod: cannot access `XI100XE.bin': No such file or directory
[20:13] <anonymity> BluesKaj  im back again :) ....  setting   snd-hdn-intel index=0  instead of  model=ref  mutes subwoofer  = no sound at all
[20:14] <BluesKaj> pillar, did you run that in the folder terminal ?
[20:14] <pillar> i am in /home/gary/Downloads/XI100XE
[20:14] <pillar> the ls command displays  Bin, Include, Source folders
[20:14] <pillar> cd Bin
[20:15] <BluesKaj> anonymity, did you set you your soundard output devices in phonon yet?
[20:15] <anonymity> yes
[20:16] <BluesKaj> and pavucontrol ?
[20:17] <anonymity> set everything to high  and tested it ... subwoofer works fine
[20:17] <BluesKaj> what's everything/ where ,
[20:17] <BluesKaj> ?
[20:18] <anonymity> @ pavucontrol  every speaker is set to max volume
[20:19] <pillar> it is not working
[20:19] <BluesKaj> sorry anonymity you have to tell exactly what settings , "everything" means nothing to me
[20:19] <pillar> gary@UB-Linux:~$ cd /home/gary/Downloads/XI100XE
[20:19] <pillar> gary@UB-Linux:~/Downloads/XI100XE$ ls
[20:19] <pillar> Bin  Include  Source
[20:19] <pillar> gary@UB-Linux:~/Downloads/XI100XE$ chmod +x XI100XE.bin
[20:19] <pillar> chmod: cannot access `XI100XE.bin': No such file or directory
[20:19] <FloodBotK1> pillar: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:19] <pillar> gary@UB-Linux:~/Downloads/XI100XE$ ls
[20:21] <BluesKaj> pillar, then just look in the XI100XE properties and make the file executable , then run the .//XI100XE,bin file in the terminal as I posted above
[20:24] <BluesKaj> anon , well i'm out of ideas , do some more research on your particular laptop , most of the ideas I've tried usually work ...reboot after setting pavucontrol usually works


[00:30] <qwebirc17982> hello
[00:30] <qwebirc17982> I'm installing this for the first time can someone help me?
[00:30] <qwebirc17982> I go though the install fine but after it wont boot from the drive
[00:30] <qwebirc17982> It just goes to a black screen and say insert media and press enter
[00:31] <qwebirc17982> Anyone?
[00:31] <tgm4883> qwebirc17982, bad burn?
[00:32] <qwebirc17982> no I checked the disk
[00:32] <qwebirc17982> The instal works fine and I burned Mythdora and tried that with with same results
[00:32] <qwebirc17982> it's like it doesn't see a boot drive
[00:32] <tgm4883> oh
[00:32] <tgm4883> sorry, I misread what you said
[00:32] <tgm4883> so after install, it reboots and then isn't booting
[00:33] <tgm4883> just asks for disk or something
[00:33] <tgm4883> did you install from CD or USB?
[00:33] <qwebirc17982> CD
[00:33] <qwebirc17982> Tried installing it to both a harddrive and a thumb drive
[00:34] <qwebirc17982> After the install it says remove the disk and restart
[00:34] <qwebirc17982> upon restarting it sees no boot drive
[00:34] <qwebirc17982> it's like nothing was written to the harddrive
[00:35] <tgm4883> how many hard drives do you have?
[00:37] <qwebirc17982> just the one
[00:37] <qwebirc17982> I actually removed it so I can just install it to the thumb drive now
[00:37] <qwebirc17982> to use it as the main boot partition
[00:37] <tgm4883> qwebirc17982, yea it sounds like something got installed somewhere odd
[00:37] <qwebirc17982> I've installed it three times now all with the same results
[00:38] <tgm4883> qwebirc17982, you are installing it to a thumb drive?
[00:38] <qwebirc17982> It's like it's just not booting a boot partition for the motherboard to see
[00:38] <qwebirc17982> Yeah after the HD wouldn't work I thought I would try the thumb drive
[00:38] <tgm4883> Did you set your bios to boot from the thumb drive?
[00:39] <tgm4883> (also, does your system support booting from USB?)
[00:40] <qwebirc17982> yes
[00:40] <qwebirc17982> to both
[00:40] <qwebirc17982> Well the thing is it wouldn't work with the HD either
[00:41] <tgm4883> qwebirc17982, are you doing manual or automatic partitioning?
[00:41] <qwebirc17982> I used automatic the first time
[00:41] <qwebirc17982> Just now I used manual
[00:41] <qwebirc17982> I just made a /
[00:41] <qwebirc17982> I didn't make a swap or anything else
[00:41] <tgm4883> qwebirc17982, where did you tell it to install the boot loader?
[00:41] <qwebirc17982> just to see if it would work
[00:42] <qwebirc17982> ....I didn't
[00:42] <qwebirc17982> how do I do that?
[00:42] <tgm4883> qwebirc17982, it's in the installer. IIRC, at the bottom of the partitioning screen
[00:43] <qwebirc17982> so what partions should I have?
[00:43] <tgm4883> well if you are just doing the install drive and are going to have your media separate then
[00:43] <tgm4883>  / and swap
[00:43] <tgm4883> where swap is ~ RAM
[00:44] <qwebirc17982> yes
[00:44] <tgm4883> actually, you could probably go without swap if you have enough ram
[00:44] <qwebirc17982> I have 2GB
[00:44] <tgm4883> hmm
[00:44] <tgm4883> I'd probably add swap then
[00:44] <qwebirc17982> but I don't see the boot
[00:44] <qwebirc17982> do I have to make /boot?
[00:45] <qwebirc17982> and is it /swap?
[00:45] <tgm4883> qwebirc17982, no, swap is specified by the partition type (eg. don't format it ext4, make it swap)
[00:46] <qwebirc17982> okay I'm starting this over again right now
[00:46] <tgm4883> ok
[00:47] <qwebirc17982> where do I make the boot?
[00:47] <tgm4883> the boot partition?
[00:47] <qwebirc17982> or how big do i make the boot partition?
[00:48] <tgm4883> you shouldn't need to specify that, it will just reside on /
[00:48] <qwebirc17982> So it will actually
[00:48] <qwebirc17982> oh...
[00:48] <tgm4883> but if you want to make it, probably 100-200MB
[00:48] <qwebirc17982> so it will be /boot
[00:48] <qwebirc17982> ...   /
[00:48] <qwebirc17982> and swap partition?
[00:48] <tgm4883> yea
[00:49] <qwebirc17982> and boot should be ext4 journalied?
[00:49] <tgm4883> yea that is fine
[00:49] <qwebirc17982> make / primary right?
[00:50] <tgm4883> yea
[00:51] <qwebirc17982> okay we'll see if this works
[00:51] <qwebirc17982> thank you
[00:51] <qwebirc17982> I'll be back soon
[02:05] <qwebirc25226> I've got mythfrontend autostarting but the menu bar still shows and clicking in the frontend doesn't make it disappear.  I have to restart the frontend manually. This just started but I can't figure out what I changed. Any ideas?
[02:07] <tgm4883> qwebirc17982, are you running standard mythbuntu?
[02:07] <tgm4883> eg. xfce?
[02:07] <tgm4883> or Unity/Ubuntu
[02:07] <qwebirc25226> ya
[02:07] <qwebirc25226> xfce
[02:07] <tgm4883> qwebirc17982, did you change something in screen setup?
[02:07] <tgm4883> in the frontend?
[02:08] <qwebirc25226> I don't think so...it fixes itself when I exit and start it again from the menu
[02:09] <tgm4883> qwebirc17982, it fixes itself. Ok, so what do you do to make it happen?
[02:09] <qwebirc25226> reboot the computer
[02:10] <tgm4883> hmm ok, so it starts with it visable?
[02:10] <tgm4883> strange
[02:11] <qwebirc25226> ya....I've got multiple frontends too and I've only noticed it on this one
[02:11] <tgm4883> hmm
[02:11] <qwebirc17982> how to I set up a capture card?
[02:11] <tgm4883> it's a 12.04 install?
[02:12] <tgm4883> qwebirc17982, via mythtv-setup
[02:12] <qwebirc25226> ya...upgraded to 12.10....well....I can't remember what version I started with
[02:12] <qwebirc25226> 11.04 maybe?
[02:13] <qwebirc17982> when I go to the set up it only lets me set up video and audio
[02:13] <qwebirc17982> I never get a tuner option
[02:14] <tgm4883> qwebirc17982, you need to exit the frontend and go to the mythtv backend setup (or run mythtv-setup from the command line)
[02:14] <qwebirc17982> how do I do that?
[02:14] <qwebirc17982> sorry I'm really new to this
[02:15] <tgm4883> exit the frontend?
[02:15] <tgm4883> or start the backend setup?
[02:15] <qwebirc17982> get to the command line
[02:15] <tgm4883> ah
[02:15] <qwebirc25226> it's in the menu....under system
[02:15] <tgm4883> in the applications menu you should have something labeled terminal
[02:17] <qwebirc17982> now what is the command for mythtv-setup?
[02:18] <tgm4883> mythtv-setup
[02:18] <tgm4883> :)
[02:18] <qwebirc25226> just run it from the menu if you're new to this...much easier
[02:18] <qwebirc17982> also how to I get the screen config to stick?
[02:18] <tgm4883> that works too
[02:18] <tgm4883> screen config?
[02:19] <qwebirc17982> it's off screen right now
[02:19] <qwebirc17982> I went to the set up for that but when I esc it defaults
[02:20] <qwebirc25226> is it nvidia?
[02:20] <tgm4883> could be, I'd have to know what parts are off the screen
[02:21] <qwebirc17982> I have a hauppauge 1600 TV tuner card
[02:21] <qwebirc17982> I don't see it on the set up list
[02:21] <tgm4883> it's DVB
[02:22] <qwebirc25226> a 1600 is atsc and analog...I'm using one too
[02:24] <qwebirc25226> for analog use the pvr-x50 or something like that
[02:29] <qwebirc25226> tgm4883: for my issue I just thought I'd check and see if you had heard of it before...I'll keep poking around...thanks
[02:30] <tgm4883> 1600 is DVB (I've got one, although I didn't use the analog side)
[02:30] <tgm4883> I'm unsure on the screen thing
[02:32] <qwebirc25226> I'm using both....it's nice to be able to add ota hd to my sd satellite feed
[02:47] <qwebirc17982> using a keyboard what is the menu key?
[03:03] <tgm4883> m
[19:17] <qwebirc7246> I am trying to install mythbuntu and can't get it to recognize the video capture card which is a hauppauge 1850.
[19:18] <qwebirc7246> I just bought a Hauppauge 1850 to use with Mythbuntu 12.04.  It does not seem to recognize the card. Any suggestions?
[19:28] <gregL> qwebirc7246, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1392684
[19:33] <qwebirc7246> That thread seems to indicate that he got the 1850 to work with Ubuntu 9.10, extracted the channel scan information, and then used that for installing another application, ME TV.  No information about how he got MythTV to see the card....