[00:00] <drbobb> valorie: well seems that functionality is very well hidden
[00:00] <drbobb> afief: no it does not exist
[00:00] <afief> drbobb: the VBR setting you mean?
[00:01] <drbobb> not for kde nor in a form usable for the average user
[00:01] <valorie> drbobb: it's new, and only works from the files to the collection for now
[00:02] <valorie> will work on the fly to devices later
[00:02] <drbobb> well so it's not available
[00:02] <Confused_Again> Hi all
[00:02] <Confused_Again> I am having a bit of trouble with playing DVD's
[00:02] <valorie> http://userbase.kde.org/Amarok/Manual/AdvancedFeatures/Transcoding
[00:03] <valorie> yes, as of 2.4 beta
[00:03] <iulian_> drbobb: do you have tried perl audio converter
[00:04] <afief> drbobb: flac -cd "$file" | lame -h - "${file%.flac}.mp3"
[00:05] <afief> drbobb: lame has only a few options, you'll want -vbr, -b and -B
[00:06] <afief> Confused_Again: you'll have to be more specific
[00:06] <Confused_Again> Sure, what kind of specifics would you like?
[00:07] <Confused_Again> I am using Kubuntu 10.04  I upgraded from 8.04 and from something else prior to that but I have forgotten the history of releases I have installed on this machine.  Sorry.
[00:07] <afief> Confused_Again: what does "trouble" mean? It doesn't work? in this case what's the error message? if it does work but is suboptimal describe what's going on exactly
[00:08] <Confused_Again> The DVD mounts.  When I go to /media/cdrom, I can see the files, (vob's, etc.,) but when I try to play it using either Xine, totem, mplayer, vlc or anything else, I get a number of error messages.
[00:08] <Confused_Again> decss is working fine.  I can see the generated keys, but it just doesn't play.
[00:10] <drbobb> wow, with ffmpeg it's quite a hassle
[00:11] <Confused_Again> Here are some specimen error messages from Xine:
[00:11] <Confused_Again> DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket
[00:11] <Confused_Again> ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server!
[00:13] <Confused_Again> vlc says: [0xb7200930] main input error: ES_OUT_RESET_PCR called
[00:16] <Confused_Again> Any ideas afief?
[00:16] <drbobb> I am really amazed that there is no working GUI tool to perform this recoding task
[00:17] <afief> Confused_Again: nope, I can't figure those out
[00:17] <Confused_Again> Oh well... Thanks for trying.
[00:17] <afief> drbobb: I gave you a one liner that does the work and allows you full customizability
[00:17] <Confused_Again> drbobb, I am a little late to the party but have you tried soundconverter?  It has a rather simple gui.
[00:18] <drbobb> afief: yeah and FOR ME it's done. But the average user would be lost.
[00:19] <drbobb> Confused_Again: I just discovered that soundconverter exists. it is not part of kde
[00:20] <Confused_Again> Is that it is not part of KDE a problem?
[00:20] <drbobb> well a slight problem
[00:20] <Confused_Again> Why is that?
[00:20] <drbobb> you have to do a bit of guesswork to discover that it exists
[00:20] <afief> Confused_Again: wow that's a 2000 lines python script
[00:21] <Confused_Again> apt-cache search soundconverter
[00:21] <drbobb> and then install most of gnome for one simple app
[00:21] <Confused_Again> I think that it just installs gtk+ doesn't it?
[00:21] <drbobb> Confused_Again: I know how to use apt-cache, and YOU know what exactly to search for
[00:21] <drbobb> most users know neither
[00:22] <Confused_Again> Ok, sorry...  I was just trying to help.
[00:22] <Confused_Again> It does seem to be what you are trying to find though.
[00:22] <drbobb> thank you
[00:22] <afief> Confused_Again: nope it needs python-gnome2
[00:22] <drbobb> it does need most of gnome though
[00:23] <Confused_Again> afief, those are just python bindinds for the gnome interfaces.
[00:24] <Confused_Again> But again, I was just positing that it was a gui tool that managed converging audio from one format to another.
[00:24] <afief> Confused_Again: yup, but the python binds won't work without the rest of the framework
[00:24] <rats__> Con
[00:24] <afief> Confused_Again: and I'm glad you did :-) gave me a chance to look at some interesting code
[00:25] <Confused_Again> By the way, it is a rate package or at least a trivial one that doesn't have some dependencies and gui packages typically have m ore.
[00:25] <drbobb> I was just claiming that there is no user-friendly tool for the task in the kubuntu desktop currently
[00:26] <Confused_Again> I meant rare in the above sentence by the way, not rate.
[00:26] <drbobb> I vaguely recall this was easier back in kde3
[00:27] <Confused_Again> Ok, I agree.
[00:28] <Confused_Again> So you limit yourself to only packages that work with KDE?
[00:29] <drbobb> Confused_Again: you really seem to be confused, that is not the point at all
[00:30] <drbobb> before you suggested that util I had located and tried 3 others in software center
[00:30] <drbobb> none of them worked
[00:30] <Confused_Again> I see.  Then what is the point?
[00:31] <drbobb> too bad this is not some arcane task for experts only
[00:31] <drbobb> sooner or later nearly every user will need to do this
[00:31] <drbobb> and most of them will fail
[00:31] <drbobb> and will conclude that "kubuntu sucks"
[00:33] <rats__> drbobb: Audacity will do sound conversions easily
[00:33] <drbobb> rats__: never used it, how would I guess that?
[00:33] <Confused_Again> If you have the normal compliment of repositories in your sources.list, then there are a number of ways to find soundconverter.    I guess I don't see why that is an issue?
[00:34] <Confused_Again> But I have to do now, so I guess I may never know.  Good luck and good bye.
[00:35] <drbobb> the issue is it takes a fair bit of patience
[00:35] <JuJuBee> I am trying to install kubuntu 10.10 32 bit on my laptop currently running 10.04 64bit. I need to test a theory about some drivers I need to run my smartboard. I installed 10.10 onto another partition after much hassel and after reboot got errror "Gave up waiting for root device..." and dropped me to (initramfs)
[00:35] <drbobb> well I'm busy too, so whatever
[00:47] <iulian_> JuJuBee : Why not try 64 bit live cd
[00:48] <JuJuBee> iulian_:  I need to install a 32 bit version so I can test a driver issue.
[00:49] <JuJuBee> I just got a new interactive white board for my classroom and they offer linux drivers but they won't load in 64 bit ubuntu.  I want to see if they will in the 32 bit 10.10
[00:52] <Kubuntu-fan> JuJuBee, that sounds insteresting.  May i inquire the age group of the class of students?
[00:53] <JuJuBee> High school 11th 12th grade
[00:53] <JuJuBee> The board is called Eno by Polyvision
[00:53] <Kubuntu-fan> Umm, tough group.:)
[00:54] <iulian_> but 32 bit in 64 bit ...
[00:55] <iulian_> maybe dual boot is better ...
[00:58] <JuJuBee> iulian_: ?  what do you mean?
[01:01] <Kubuntu-fan> JuJuBee, are you using the 96" version of  Eno by Polyvision; smaller  or larger?
[01:02] <iulian_> http://maketecheasier.com/run-32-bit-apps-in-64-bit-linux/2009/08/10
[01:04] <iulian_> maybe wrong architecture if you run 64 bit now that give it errors
[01:24] <thrall_> Hi. I've successfully managed to get my two monitors set up as a single wide desktop, but it 'forgets' the settings every time I reboot. When it reboots, the two monitors are clones. Does anyone know how to fix this?
[01:50] <john223333> I have just installed Kubuntu, and I have a long line going across and down my desktop, kind of where the desktop folder used to be.
[01:52] <john223333> I have tried changing the background and killing it... it keeps coming back
[02:02] <Kubuntu-fan_> John, so when you restart it comes back?
[02:03] <Kubuntu-fan_> thrall, are you still there?
[02:05] <Kubuntu-fan_> John, when you restart it comes back?
[02:20] <john223333> How can I remove the analog clock widget from my desktop?
[02:20] <john223333> How can I remove any running widget from my desktop?
[02:21] <Kubuntu-fan_> John, right click on your desktop
[02:22] <john223333> Then?
[02:22] <Kubuntu-fan_> do you see the option there?
[02:22] <Kubuntu-fan_> If not right click on the lower panel and look for ...
[02:22] <john223333> Yeah, which one do I select?
[02:22] <Kubuntu-fan_> panel-options/penel-settings
[02:23] <Kubuntu-fan_> panel-options/panel-settings
[02:24] <john223333> Ok, I am in panel settings... now what do I need to do?
[02:28] <john223333> ok, now I am in panel settings
[02:28] <john223333> What do I need to do?
[02:28] <precubcr> HElp i cant make work the intel gma 3150 on BT4
[02:28] <Kubuntu-fan> my isp logged me out and back into the irc channel ...
[02:29] <Kubuntu-fan> John, early you posted here about a 'long line going across and down my desktop, kind of where the desktop folder used to be,' ... did you manage to get rid of that if so how?
[02:29] <Kubuntu-fan> on the widget itself, can you right click or does it show you an animation when you mouse over the widget?
[02:30] <john223333> unfortunately the line is still there as well
[02:30] <Kubuntu-fan> John, have you tried a reboot or "restart" to clear your desktop of the line?
[02:30] <john223333> Yes
[02:31] <john223333> When I right click on the widget, it gives me options about desktop settings and adjusting date/time
[02:32] <Kubuntu-fan> okay john, can you explain does your bottom panel look as it did when you first install Kubuntu?
[02:32] <john223333> Yes
[02:33] <Kubuntu-fan> John, and you have tried installing a background image?
[02:33] <Kubuntu-fan> under rightclick/desktop settings
[02:34] <john223333> Yes, that's where the problem is.  The backgrounds have a line on them, but there is no line in a photo viewer.  So there's something on the desktop causing this
[02:35] <john223333> Right now there's the line problerm as well as an analog clock widget on the desktop... both driving me crazy
[02:39] <Kubuntu-fan_> [repost please] my isp logged me out and back into the irc channel ...
[02:39] <john223333> Hey Kubuntu fan, thanks for trying to help.  The line is gone for now, but I still have the analog clock on my desktop
[02:40] <Kubuntu-fan_> Ok John, is this a widget you tried to add earlier?
[02:41] <john223333> Well, it's a widget I was trying to remove earlier
[02:42] <Kubuntu-fan_> rightclick desktop/activities
[02:42] <Kubuntu-fan_> is that widget in that activities frame?
[02:43] <john223333> No, just the desktop
[02:43] <Kubuntu-fan_> okay close that "activities"
[02:44] <john223333> Ok
[02:48] <Kubuntu-fan> [repost please] my isp logged me out and back into the irc channel ...
[02:48] <Kubuntu-fan> rightclick desktop/add widgets
[02:48] <Kubuntu-fan> Do you see analog clock version 1.0 (by the plasma team)?
[02:48] <Kubuntu-fan> plasma.kde.org (http://plasma.kde.org/)
[02:48] <ansgar_> hi, i was hoping that 4.6 would fix my problem but it has persisted across several versions of kde. i've got a weird problem where the screen doesn't refresh or redraw properly. it's hard to explain so i've made an album here: http://imgur.com/a/yZXGp does anyone have any suggestions?
[02:49] <john223333> Yeah
[02:49] <john223333> The problem is that the position on the desktop causes it to go below the "add widgets" panel
[02:49] <john223333> So I can't interact with it
[02:50] <Kubuntu-fan> okay john, can we try to adjust your desktop resolution, what is your current resolution?
[02:51] <ansgar_> or barring suggestions, has anyone seen anything like it?
[02:51] <john223333> 1280*1024
[02:52] <Kubuntu-fan> John is that your max resolution?
[02:52] <john223333> Yes
[02:52] <john223333> Can we not edit a config ile in nano?
[02:53] <Kubuntu-fan> John, are you currently at your max resolution ... Also how many desktops do you have for your set up currently 2 or 4?
[02:53] <john223333> 2 desktops
[02:53] <john223333> And yes, 1280x1024 is the max
[03:01] <ansgar_> should i head over to dev to ask about this?
[03:01] <Kubuntu-fan> [please repost] isp resolving new ip
[03:01] <Kubuntu-fan> ansgar that does look weird
[03:01] <Kubuntu-fan> how long you have this issue?
[03:02] <Kubuntu-fan> john you still here?
[03:02] <john223333> yeah
[03:02] <john223333> Still have the widget to where I can't do anything with it
[03:02] <john223333> Can we not edit a file in nano?
[03:02] <Kubuntu-fan> John it sounds like it is located under your display or to the side of your display or is it in the middle?
[03:03] <Kubuntu-fan> possibly yes
[03:03] <ansgar_> several months, i've gone through kde 4.5.4, 4.5.5 and now 4.6.0 with this issue. it's impossible to capture it with a screencap because as soon as the focus switches, it corrects.
[03:03] <john223333> Yeah, it goes under the settings
[03:03] <john223333> Whenever I bring them up
[03:03] <john223333> This is really irritating
[03:03] <ansgar_> i've just been sure to have two windows open and alt-tab twice to see what i want to see
[03:04] <Kubuntu-fan> ansgar, do you have an ati product for video card (and did you try to install custom configuration at one time)?
[03:04] <ansgar_> no, intel gma4500 on a latitude e6500
[03:04] <ansgar_> no customization whatsoever
[03:05] <ansgar_> i always get the intel video because it's supposedly so well supported
[03:05] <ansgar_> it was suggested to me once to create a new user account to test it with. i have done that but it had no effect
[03:05] <Kubuntu-fan> yeah ansgar, you have some good images, I would ask for some support formally ...they will likely give you a thread location and you can log back in there to get updates on the solution, interact with development
[03:06] <ansgar_> ok, i'll give it a shot. thanks
[03:06] <Kubuntu-fan> John, is it the same on each desktop,?
[03:07] <john223333> Yes
[03:07] <john223333> This is really bothersome
[03:07] <john223333> Thinking of going to windows if I can't figure this simple thing out... I mean it's just a small little clock
[03:07] <john223333> I can't move it, uninstall it, nothing
[03:07] <Kubuntu-fan> ok lets try some jiggering in the system settings.
[03:08] <john223333> Ok I'm in system settings now
[03:12] <Kubuntu-fan> [please repost] isp resolving new ip
[03:12] <john223333> Ok, I'm in system settings now
[03:13] <Kubuntu-fan> okay try 'window behavior'
[03:13] <Kubuntu-fan> Workspace Appearance and Behavior/Window Behavior
[03:13] <Kubuntu-fan> (confirm)
[03:16] <marry> hi
[03:20] <Kubuntu-fan> [please repost] isp resolving dynamic ip refresh
[03:20] <Kubuntu-fan> sorry about that John
[03:20] <Kubuntu-fan> you still there?
[03:20] <john223333> Yeah, sorry, lost connection myself
[03:21] <john223333> Just got into window behavior
[03:21] <Kubuntu-fan> Workspace Appearance and Behavior/Window Behavior/VirtualDesktops/
[03:21] <Kubuntu-fan> is "Different Widgets for Each Desktop" selected or deselected?
[03:22] <john223333> I just selected and applied now
[03:22] <Kubuntu-fan> okay good
[03:22] <Kubuntu-fan> John are you on a good cpu?
[03:22] <Kubuntu-fan> if so, lets give you 4 instead of 2 virtual desktops
[03:23] <Kubuntu-fan> 'apply'
[03:23] <Kubuntu-fan> go down to "screen edged"
[03:23] <Kubuntu-fan> errr "screen edges"
[03:24] <john223333> Ok, on screen edges now
[03:24] <Kubuntu-fan> along the top three, righ click and select ...
[03:32] <Kubuntu-fan> [please repost] isp is going batty with this irc channel
[03:32] <Kubuntu-fan> John are you still here sir?
[03:32] <john223333> OK, I am waiting to know what to select along the top 3 boxes when I right click
[03:33] <Kubuntu-fan> desktop grid
[03:34] <Kubuntu-fan> desktop grid or all desktops, keep that in mind for later, but for now select all to be desktop grid and the middle right to also be desktop grid
[03:34] <Kubuntu-fan> "apply"
[03:34] <john223333> all 8?
[03:34] <john223333> Or just the top 3 and middle right?
[03:35] <Kubuntu-fan> no, just the top 3
[03:35] <Kubuntu-fan> yes and middle right
[03:35] <Kubuntu-fan> that is what will be selected when you slide your mouse pointer to those "screen edges"
[03:35] <john223333> Ok, did it and applied
[03:35] <Kubuntu-fan> right now we want it to show you the grid of all four virtual desktops
[03:36] <Kubuntu-fan> okay lets close that and look at one of your desktops
[03:36] <john223333> Ok, done
[03:36] <Kubuntu-fan> desktop number 1 will probably be the default
[03:37] <Kubuntu-fan> is you analogue clock issue still apparent to you on desktop 1?
[03:37] <Kubuntu-fan> is your analogue clock issue*
[03:37] <john223333> Yeah, still has this wonderful widget
[03:37] <Kubuntu-fan> ok wheel mouse down one or two click and watch the virtual desktops on the lower left panel
[03:38] <Kubuntu-fan> you should switch from desktop 1 to desktop 2 or 3
[03:38] <john223333> Yeah, switching works
[03:39] <Kubuntu-fan> so then I understand you to say, that the widget is NOT on those other desktops
[03:39] <Kubuntu-fan> just desktop 1
[03:39] <john223333> yes
[03:39] <Kubuntu-fan> okay that is something
[03:39] <Kubuntu-fan> :)
[03:39] <Kubuntu-fan> drag your mouse to the right edge middle and see if you can effect the desktop grid
[03:40] <Kubuntu-fan> right now we want it to show you the grid of all four virtual desktops
[03:41] <john223333> Nothing happens there
[03:42] <john223333> I really just want to delete the widget from my desktop and be done with it
[03:45] <Kubuntu-fan_> [please repost] isp is going batty with this irc channel
[03:46] <john223333> Nothing happens to the grid
[03:46] <john223333> Can I just remove the widget from 1 desktop?
[03:46] <john223333> This is really making me want to go back to windows
[03:46] <Kubuntu-fan_> Well this is a buggy desktop plasma on KDE
[03:46] <john223333> Ok...
[03:47] <Kubuntu-fan_> I was going to try to give you some settings that will cause the bug to come to heel with the settings and maybe you can have control over it or it acts better so you can deal with it
[03:47] <john223333> All software is buggy because no programmer is perfect
[03:48] <john223333> Can I *move* the widget in any way?
[03:48] <john223333> Or delete it manually from a config file?
[03:48] <Kubuntu-fan_> You have said earlier, it was off the screen or out of your ability to touch it with the mouse?
[03:48] <john223333> Yes
[03:48] <john223333> It's on the screen, but becomes covered up when I go to "add widgets"
[03:49] <Kubuntu-fan_> ahhhh ... so it is an issue of being at the bottom of the display
[03:49] <john223333> Right
[03:50] <Kubuntu-fan_> so when you right click on it or mouse over, is there any animation that occurs?
[03:50] <john223333> No... just the calendar pops up
[03:50] <Kubuntu-fan_> like a small panel with some icons appear?
[03:50] <john223333> No, unfortunately not
[03:50] <john223333> Seems like it is locked
[03:51] <Kubuntu-fan_> okay then right click on the icon, what happens when you select lock again?
[03:52] <john223333> nothing at all
[03:53] <Kubuntu-fan_> try a second time or a third time, does it become unlocked?
[03:53] <john223333> holy shit
[03:53] <john223333> that did it
[03:53] <john223333> excuse my language, but thank you
[03:53] <john223333> awesome!!!
[03:54] <Kubuntu-fan_> sure ... i am glad to help you get rid of that pesty widget
[03:54] <Kubuntu-fan_> a plight on a desktop to be sure
[03:54] <Kubuntu-fan_> John, do you have cube effect working to your benefit yet?
[03:55] <john223333> no i do not
[03:55] <Kubuntu-fan_> You are only a few settings away from a nice desktop experience if you have the cpu and video card to drive 4 virtual desktops
[03:55] <Kubuntu-fan_> You have the settings in place, that will currently allow you do have 4 unique desktop background images
[03:56] <john223333> how do i access that?
[03:57] <Kubuntu-fan_> we adjusted that in the "window behavior"
[03:58] <john223333> only benefit is 4 desktop images?
[04:02] <Kubuntu-fan> you can get a number of wall paper or if you have your own, you can navigate to your preferred images. ... (there is one folder you should put them in though to simplify the location of your unique wall papers).
[04:02] <Kubuntu-fan> [please repost] isp is going batty with this irc channel
[04:03] <ansgar_> Kubuntu-fan: incidentally, if you see anyone with that issue, disabling compositing worked. compositing using xrender instead of opengl also worked.
[04:03] <ansgar_> thanks again
[04:04] <Kubuntu-fan> ansgar, say again... can you give more detail?
[04:04] <ansgar_> not sure what else there is.
[04:04] <Kubuntu-fan> Workspace Appearance and Behavior/Window Behavior/DesktopEffects  ...advanced tabs?
[04:04] <ansgar_> yes, switch opengl to xrender
[04:05] <ansgar_> under compositing type
[04:05] <Kubuntu-fan> oh yes
[04:05] <Kubuntu-fan> and what else?
[04:05] <Kubuntu-fan> thank you for coming back here
[04:05] <ansgar_> it's not as fancy, no blur and a few  other things, but it'll give drop shadows and basic transparency
[04:05] <Kubuntu-fan> is there a thread you located that was helpful or did you open a new request?
[04:06] <ansgar_> no, i was googling the problem but couldn't find anything really similar but it struck me that it happened for apps of all types:
[04:06] <ansgar_> qt, gtk, everything
[04:06] <ansgar_> so that made it a kwin issue
[04:07] <ansgar_> toggling compositing with alt-shift-f12 was the next step
[04:07] <ansgar_> that worked so i mentioned it as a workaround in the devel room
[04:08] <ansgar_> lol, that was when they actually started talking to me. they said intel support was downhill lately following some kind of redesign.
[04:08] <ansgar_> one of them then suggested enabling compositing but changing the type
[04:10] <Kubuntu-fan> [please repost] isp is going batty with this irc channel
[04:10] <ansgar_> i hope this works for others as well.
[04:10] <Kubuntu-fan> ansgar, did you 'disable functionality checks' ...?
[04:12] <Kubuntu-fan> ansgar, when you switched from 'OpenGL' to 'Xrender', did you also have to change any of the OpenGL Options or the "smooth scalling" in the XRender Options area?
[04:21] <ansgar_> ok, in the spirit of experimenting i have reenabled opengl and enabled "use vsync" which has a promising ring to it
[04:23] <ansgar_> holy smokes. it works
[04:24] <ansgar_> wow the help page for desktop effects was written by captain obvious, lol
[04:25] <ansgar_> maybe they didnt know what each option does
[04:30] <Kubuntu-fan> [please repost] isp is changing ip frequently, irc channel is dropping me for 3 to 5 minutes
[04:31] <Kubuntu-fan> ansgar, did you recover any quality when you enabled "use vsync"
[04:32] <ansgar_> yes, it looks like that was what i needed. blur, etc works and i haven't experienced anything yet
[04:47] <ansgar_> continued testing hasn't found any further problems. everything looks good from here
[05:03] <luis_> hi
[05:46] <FloridaGuy> is there any systen service package to shut services down..?
[05:46] <lemon> any Chinese chatroon
[06:56] <edgy> hi,  any one with experience in csf/lfd?
[06:57] <DarthFrog> I don't think I could even spell it.  :-)
[07:09] <coder2> Hello
[07:11] <coder2> My system version is 10.04. I have updated KDE4.4.3 to 4.5. Now I have odd desktop layout. Looks like there are 2 overlaying plasma desktops on my screen. How to get rid of the mess?
[07:12] <susundberg> i would try to remove .kde directory -- but that will take all your settings as weel
[07:12] <susundberg> weel == well
[07:12] <susundberg> (just rename the .kde to .kde_test and relogin)
[07:12] <coder2> Is there less destructive way?
[07:13] <susundberg> probably, but i do not have any clue what
[07:13] <valorie> how about logging in with a new user?
[07:14] <coder2> valorie: I'm almost sure that a new user will get a correct desktop layout. But I want my other settings kept.
[07:16] <valorie> well then, howe about logging in as a new user, take a copy of your .kde folder there
[07:16] <valorie> and then in your own user, compare them?
[07:17] <valorie> I have done pretty much the same thing, very successfully
[07:17] <susundberg> or you could just try to edit the activities etc
[07:17] <coder2> Ok. Adding a new user....
[07:17] <susundberg> if that does not help, i would really say easiest is to do the 'merge' with new .kde
[07:18] <susundberg> well you could have just renamed your own .kde directory and re log in with same user ...
[07:18] <valorie> also, you could just do as susundberg suggested, and then start copying what you like from .kde_test back to .kde
[07:18] <susundberg> there are so many ways! :)
[07:18] <valorie> basically the same
[07:18] <valorie> yep
[07:18] <valorie> as always with KDE
[07:18] <valorie> :-)
[07:18] <susundberg> :)
[07:19] <susundberg> i currently have little bad feelings with kde as when running kdevelop, something is corrupting my stack
[07:19] <susundberg> at time to time -- causing kdevelop to crash at time to time
[07:19] <susundberg> and that crash is not reproducable, so i cannot get proper information for bugreport
[07:20] <valorie> you might check with #kubuntu-devel about that
[07:29] <coder2> Ok. I have added a new user and logged in with KDE desktop. It has the same problem with 2 overlaying desktops!
[07:30] <coder2> Looks like KDE creates 2 desktops because  I have 2 separate X screens, but both the desktops are on the primary screen.
[07:31] <valorie> trippy!
[07:31] <coder2> And annoyance with the kscreenlocker, which is not accepting right password did my experiment painful.
[07:32] <coder2> So any ideas?
[07:32] <valorie> coder2: perhaps you should take this straight to #plasma
[07:32] <valorie> sounds like a major bug
[07:33] <coder2> Is #plasma on the same IRC server?
[07:33] <valorie> yes
[07:33] <valorie> just /join #plasma
[07:33] <valorie> in some clients, you can just click the channel name
[07:36] <coder2> Thanks. I'm there. How to fix kscreenlocker?
[07:39] <valorie> hmmm, sorry
[07:40] <valorie> I've never had any problems with it
[07:41] <coder2> It just does not accept right password at all. I have to kill it from a terminal
[07:43] <coder2> I was advised to update KDE to 4.6. Thinking of how to do it on lucid
[07:44] <coder2> Someone on #plasma said that 4.6 have no problems with 2 screens
[07:45] <yofel> you can't update the 4.6 on lucid, not supported (from us at least)
[07:45] <yofel> you would have to upgrade to maverick and then update to 4.6
[07:45] <coder2> Is there a way to rollback to 4.4.3 ?
[07:45] <yofel> what are you running now?
[07:45] <coder2> lucid +KDE 4.5
[07:46] <coder2> 32-bit
[07:46] <yofel> hm, you could try to install ppa-purge from lucid-backports and see if that does the job, but I'm not sure if the KDE config files will survive that
[07:47] <coder2> Ok. Will try to upgrade to 10.10
[07:49] <coder2> Thank you. Bye.
[08:14] <handelis> hello
[08:16] <akis> hi there
[08:23] <lele_> hello
[09:30] <tdn> After installing updates yesterday, the package 'upstart' is being kept back. Why is this?
[09:53] <t3rminat0r_> helo
[09:53] <t3rminat0r_> hello
[09:56] <rork> hi t3rminat0r_
[09:56] <t3rminat0r_> rork, man, I face a weird problem
[09:56] <t3rminat0r_> http://picturepush.com/public/4980520
[09:57] <ct529> t3rminat0r_: what is exit code 13?
[09:59] <rork> t3rminat0r_: you can ask your questions here without someone answering your greetings. Please be a more specific what's your question about in that case. I unfortunately know nothing about eclipse/java
[09:59] <t3rminat0r_> wrong version of java
[09:59] <t3rminat0r_> the point is
[09:59] <t3rminat0r_> that java is not installed correctly
[10:00] <t3rminat0r_> although it's the most recent one :S
[10:00] <t3rminat0r_> I downloaded the packaged
[10:00] <t3rminat0r_> I installed the bin file
[10:00] <t3rminat0r_> and I changed manually all the soft links
[10:00] <t3rminat0r_> is anything wrong on this procedure?
[10:02] <valorie> t3rminat0r_: I think you are asking in the wrong channel
[10:02] <valorie> this is a kubuntu help channel; you might have better luck in #java
[10:07] <Space_Man> tdn: it appears that some other people are also having problems with upstart http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1679717&page=2
[10:09] <tdn> Space_Man, ok. Not sure what it means. I'll just wait and see if it goes away.
[10:12] <ct529> t3rminat0r_: eclipse works fine on my machine with the java packaged with kubuntu,(OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.9.4) (6b20-1.9.4-0ubuntu1~10.04.1))
[10:13] <t3rminat0r_> thanx ct529
[10:13] <t3rminat0r_> however I need the most recent SUN java
[10:13] <t3rminat0r_> for my applications
[10:14] <ct529> t3rminat0r_: di you uninstall all the other java, and set the CLASSPATH?
[10:14] <ct529> t3rminat0r_: what verisonare you using?
[10:14] <t3rminat0r_> I didn't set any classpath
[10:14] <t3rminat0r_> (I set JAVA_HOME, though)
[10:14] <t3rminat0r_> 1.6.0....23
[10:15] <ct529> t3rminat0r_: could you run java -version?
[10:16] <t3rminat0r_> yes
[10:16] <t3rminat0r_> it works
[10:16] <t3rminat0r_> and gives the right figures
[10:17] <ct529> t3rminat0r_: a good channel for these type of problems is #eclipse, there is someone called rcjsuen who is very helpful.
[10:17] <ct529> t3rminat0r_: yes, I hope it works .... could you pastebin the whole output?
[10:18] <t3rminat0r_> ct529, thanx for your help
[10:18] <t3rminat0r_> I took the initiative and I installed JRE again
[10:18] <t3rminat0r_> and now it works
[10:18] <t3rminat0r_> (previously I had only installed Jdk)
[10:19] <ct529> t3rminat0r_: ok, good
[10:19] <t3rminat0r_> impov jdk included jre....
[10:19] <t3rminat0r_> anyway...
[10:19] <t3rminat0r_> thanx for the (implicit) motivation
[10:21] <ct529> t3rminat0r_: :-) good luck
[10:21] <ct529> did you see opensuse going rolling? are we thinking of doing the same? Mark Shuttleworth had hinted at something similar some time ago
[10:24] <valorie> ct529: no
[10:25] <ct529> valorie: pity .... it is a very good idea
[10:25] <valorie> what he was talking about was letting apps update more often
[10:26] <valorie> their entire structure is set up to get the new release done in 6 months
[10:26] <valorie> but the apps don't need to be tied to that
[10:26] <valorie> so it might become more of a mix
[10:26]  * valorie used to use gentoo -- kubuntu is much better!
[10:26] <valorie> and releases are part of why
[10:27] <valorie> I do build amarok and the sound stuff
[10:27] <valorie> but would hate to have to build everything, all the time, again
[10:27] <valorie> if you want rolling, why aren't you using Arch?
[10:28] <valorie> isn't that rolling *buntu?
[10:28] <alvin> I used to use Gentoo too. Kubuntu is easier to use, but buggier. Ubuntu doesn't get reliable 'boot and shutdown'. (K)Ubuntu has good features, but Gentoo's init system is way more reliable.
[10:29] <ct529> valorie: he told Linux Format, apparently ....
[10:29] <ct529> valorie: well, release every 6 months is not exactly rolling
[10:29] <valorie> I read the article
[10:29] <ct529> valorie: I am finding it very uncomfortable o production machines .... I am thinking of switching to arch
[10:29] <valorie> oops, sec
[10:35] <valorie> brrrr, 26F outside!
[10:35] <Tm_T> valorie: don't even begin...
[10:35]  * Tm_T looks all the snow outside
[10:36] <valorie> no snow, just clear and cold -- cold for the Seattle area, at least
[10:38] <alvin> Are there any early adopters of KDE 4.6 here who can edit their bookmarks in konsole/konqueror/krdc,... without trouble?
[10:41] <valorie> bookmarks in konsole?
[10:41] <valorie> hmmm
[10:42] <valorie> what would one bookmark in konsole?
[10:42] <valorie> I see the tab, but ?
[10:43] <ct529> valorie: what do you mean by rolling *buntu is Arch?
[10:43] <ct529> alvin: did you notice any performance difference between Gentoo and Kubuntu? what mad eyou switch?
[10:46] <alvin> ct529: Ease of administration made me switch. Maintenance of 50 servers gets hard when compiling. Performance is difficult to say. It's a long time ago. However, Ubuntu does have critical problems when doing heavy IO. It crashed my servers more than once. There are several bug reports standing, but there's nothing conclusive yet.
[10:47] <ct529> alvin: we have some machines we use for simulation, I was wondering whether a compiled distribution would increase the performance
[10:47] <alvin> valorie: Why would one bookmark in konsole? I have a lot of bookmarks there. Paths, other servers (ssh),...
[10:47] <valorie> cool, I 'll have to learn to use that
[10:47] <valorie> I just tried making, editing bookmarks in rekonq in 4.6 -- no problem
[10:48] <alvin> ct529: Only tests will tell you that. A lot depends on the kernel. I hear Ubuntu's compiler options are well chosen.
[10:48] <valorie> what difficulties are you encountering?
[10:48] <alvin> When I want to edit a bookmark, it jumps back to the root of keditbookmarks as soon as I type 1 character
[10:48] <ct529> alvin: do you have the same IO problems with ubuntu server edition?
[10:48] <alvin> Same with adding a bookmark
[10:48] <valorie> hmmm, did not see anything like that
[10:49] <alvin> ct529: I'm talking mainly about the server edition. It uses another IO scheduler, but symptoms are the same. Insane load, then kernel errors and crashes.
[10:50] <ct529> alvin: do you have a good pointer to documentation for recompiling the kubuntu kernel? I would like to keep using kubuntu, but recompile the kernel, with optimisation (but keep all the kubuntu kernel patches)
[10:50] <alvin> valorie: Do you know a desktop recording software for Kubuntu? I can try to record. it's not easy to describe. I can put a little movie online.
[10:50] <ct529> alvin: rekordmydesktop
[10:50] <alvin> ct529: I don't have that, but I do think such a document exists. You can probably find something at https://help.ubuntu.com/
[10:50] <alvin> ct529: Let's try
[10:51] <ct529> alvin: sorry, recordmydesktop
[10:51]  * alvin is installing recordmydesktop
[10:52]  * alvin is reading the man page
[10:53] <ct529> alvin: it is very simple, just fire it up :-D
[10:54] <ct529> alvin: but it uses a lot of resources
[10:54] <valorie> sorry alvin, but I don't
[10:54] <valorie> you might find some help in #kubuntu-devel
[10:58] <alvin> Here is a 2MB movie where you can see the problem: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/296786/keditbookmarks-4.6.ogv
[10:59] <t3rminat0r_> can I build a project throught it git?
[10:59] <t3rminat0r_> *its
[11:21] <ct529> does anyone know how to set up a fixed ip address for a kubuntu laptop? I have always used DHCP
[11:30] <ct529> I would like to move from a DHCP based network to a fixed IP address network on our home network
[11:30] <alvin> ct529: Put the configuration in /etc/network/interfaces (see http://www.debian-administration.org/article/254/An_introduction_to_Debian_networking_setup)
[11:30] <ct529> has anyone a pointer to good documentation?
[11:31] <ct529> alvin: do you know whether it is possible to force association of a MAC address to an IP address?
[11:31] <alvin> ct529: Ah, that. Yes, it is. you have to do that in your router
[11:32] <alvin> If your router is a Linux machine, I'd recommend dnsmasq. (I use M0n0wall on a Soekris board myself)
[11:32] <ct529> alvin: this flipping router does not support it :-(
[11:33] <alvin> Then it won't work. Throw out the router.
[11:33] <ct529> alvin: Ideally, I would like to do that .... if I had the money for a new one :-D
[11:33] <alvin> I know the pain. My ISP introduced new modems, with built in routers. Things like that were impossible. I demanded a modem-only model and got one.
[11:33] <ct529> alvin: on the other hand, do you think it is possible to set up static IP addresses and let the DHCP resolve the DNS for itnernet connection?
[11:34] <alvin> Actually, routers are very cheap nowadays.
[11:34] <alvin> Ah, hmm...  It's probably possible.
[11:34] <alvin> But why do that?
[11:34] <asd__> heyyy
[11:35] <ct529> alvin: because we fix IP addresses I could reroute some protocols to specific machines
[11:35] <ct529> alvin: like ftp from the office always goes to machine number 3
[11:35] <alvin> Yes, but I meant the DNS servers. Those are mostly very fixed.
[11:36] <ct529> alvin: are they?
[11:36] <ct529> alvin: where do I find them?
[11:36] <alvin> Most of the time, yes.
[11:36] <alvin> In /etc/resolv.conf
[11:36] <alvin> You also set them there. Using dhcp would overwrite the file.
[11:36] <ct529> alvin: but then, every time I change them I have to go on all machines
[11:37] <alvin> If you change the address of the DNS server, yes. But are there your DNS servers?
[11:37] <alvin> usually your router is DNS (or forwarding), and your ISP also has DNS servers
[11:38] <alvin> Your ISP will most likely not change the IP's of their DNS servers for years.
[11:38] <ct529> alvin: yes, exactly .... the DNS are set by the ISP
[11:38] <ct529> alvin: I would like to router to pass them to the hosts
[11:39] <alvin> Doesn't it do that?
[11:39] <alvin> If you use static IP on your machines, just set the IP address of the router as the address of the DNS server.
[11:40] <ct529> alvin: oh, OK thanks
[11:40] <ct529> alvin: do I have to disable the DHCP on the router?
[11:40] <alvin> No, you don't. You can change the range, but even that is not really necessary.
[11:41] <ct529> alvin: my addresses are all of the type 192.168.2.xxx .... what netmask do I have to use? is <IP_ADDRESS> good?
[11:41] <alvin> Yes
[11:41] <ct529> alvin: and the gateway becomes the router itself
[11:41] <alvin> Indeed
[11:42] <alvin> If you want thorough documentation, read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html
[11:43] <ct529> alvin: thanks you are a star
[11:43] <ct529> alvin: I have always used dhcp, so I never had to do it before
[11:43] <ct529> alvin: thanks a lot!
[11:43] <alvin> ct529: np :-)
[12:13] <alvin> Can any Kontact user with KDE 4.6 test something small for me? 'Open a mail > Press print' Do you see a print dialog?
[12:27] <ct529> alvin: hi, sorry, another question .... is there a way to strip back / clean an installation?
[12:27] <ct529> alvin: to a default kubuntu installtion I mean
[12:28] <ct529> alvin: hi, sorry, another question .... is there a way to strip back / clean an installation?
[12:28] <ct529> alvin: to a default kubuntu installtion I mean
[12:28] <alvin> ct529: Not that I know of. You can install ubuntu-minimal only, but kubuntu-desktop depends on ubuntu-standard
[12:29] <ct529> alvin: I see, thanks .... I am having difficulties with skype, and was wondering whether one of the other packages was interacting with any of the libraries
[12:29] <alvin> That wouldn't surprise me
[12:30] <ct529> alvin: the audio works perfectly well, but with skype it does not
[12:31] <alvin> ct529: I use Skype on the N900. Never worked good on Kubuntu. It's hit-and-miss
[12:31] <ct529> alvin: oh good, it is not only me ....
[12:31] <alvin> what's worse: I can no longer print. Bug 403169 is part of the problem, but Kontact just crashes before showing me a print dialog.
[12:31] <alvin> ct529: No, you'll probably find some bug reports on the subject
[12:31] <ct529> alvin: it happened to me in the past, had to reinstall kmail
[12:32] <ct529> alvin: oh, another question abot what you were telling me about the network! If I go for the static IP address, when I use the laptops on another network, can they use the DHCP?
[12:33] <ct529> alvin: so that I can use them both on the home network, with static IPs, and on the office network, with DHCP
[12:33] <alvin> Of course, if you set them back to DHCP on the other networks :-)
[12:33] <alvin> I think you can use network-manager for things like that
[12:33] <ct529> alvin: so, I have to set them back manually
[12:33] <alvin> But I've never done it
[12:33] <ct529> alvin: thanks a lot again
[12:33] <alvin> Yes, but network-manager can maybe help you with that.
[12:34] <ct529> alvin: thanks
[12:38] <alvin> kontact crashes, plasma crashes, ksystemsettings crashes,... keditbookmarks is posessed. KDE 4.6 does not like me.
[12:44] <alvin> Time to reinstall debugging packages
[12:53] <Chemicalvamp> !sound
[13:09] <ahmtblbl> hi all
[13:09] <ahmtblbl> i have some problem about glom
[13:09] <ahmtblbl> anybody use glom on ubuntu 10.10?
[13:12] <alvin> ahmtblbl: Never heard of it before, but thanks for sharing. It looks interesting.
[13:19] <ahmtblbl> alvin did u hear before "filemaker"
[13:19] <ahmtblbl> it seams like filemaker
[13:20] <ahmtblbl> and i want to use it
[13:20] <ahmtblbl> but i couldnt
[14:10] <shane4ubuntu> ok, I know I have seen 'how to's' on this, but they are all old, in thunderbird 3.x.x from the repos, I put my signature in a reply above the quote, below my reply and it doesn't do it???  Anyone else use thunderbird with signature?
[14:13] <alvin> Why would you put a signature anywhere but at the bottom of a mail?
[14:13] <shane4ubuntu> Well now, don't everyone jump at once! :)
[14:14] <shane4ubuntu> alvin: oops, you replied before I hit return
[14:14] <alvin> lol
[14:14] <tsimpson> a signature can't go anywhere but at the bottom
[14:14] <shane4ubuntu> alvin: no I don't want the sig at the bottom, I want it under my reply, but TB doesn't seem to agree with me
[14:14] <tsimpson> otherwise the quote will be interpreted as part of the signature
[14:15] <shane4ubuntu> I use my signature as a signature, and I always reply above the quote, and my sig should be under my reply.
[14:16] <shane4ubuntu> So in TB, I went in and configured it so that my reply is above the quote, my sig is under my reply, and it doesn't work
[14:16] <alvin> Well, if the signature is under your reply, it will always be at the bottom so long as you follow RFC 1855
[14:16] <tsimpson> I'd guess it's enforced by thunderbird that the sig always goes at the end of the message (not the end of the reply)
[14:16] <alvin> Ah, you're a top-poster.
[14:16] <shane4ubuntu> tsimpson: actually they allow for it to be under your reply in the options
[14:16] <alvin> Don't go anywhere near usenet
[14:16] <shane4ubuntu> actually everyone I email and they respond are top posters
[14:17] <alvin> Yes, Outlook users are. (Also, don't subscribe to mailing lists)
[14:17] <shane4ubuntu> I find that when I respond under the quote they can't even find my message
[14:17] <tsimpson> you can trim the quote ;)
[14:17] <tsimpson> I gave up on email clients recently, I just use the web interfaces these days
[14:18] <shane4ubuntu> Well according to this: http://community.contractwebdevelopment.com/thunderbird-reply-above-quote   TB should work fine, and it isn't, on my laptop it does fine
[14:18] <alvin> I know that some people will not find the message, but that's still no reason to do it the wrong way. Give people an example.
[14:18] <shane4ubuntu> Triming the quote is not an option, I use email on a very regular basis to keep up with stuff (work, home, family etc.) and it is too much
[14:19] <shane4ubuntu> in the hundreds of emails I receive and respond too, no one, no one does it the 'right' way
[14:19] <alvin> Always be strict when sending. Do it right. A mail can be large, but you can use >, >> and >>> and so on to keep it readable. Thunderbird has a good add-on (quote colors) to help with that.
[14:19] <shane4ubuntu> the issue is not whether it is right or wrong, the issue is TB is not acting the way it is supposed to
[14:20] <alvin> Then you don't frequent mailing lists :-)
[14:20] <shane4ubuntu> No, not the tech guys mailing list, other list yes, and they all do it the way I'm trying to
[14:20] <shane4ubuntu> that is not the point,
[14:21] <shane4ubuntu> thunderbird is not working correctly, and it works fine on my laptop, that is the point
[14:21] <alvin> You don't need to have compassion with Outlook Express users. Be tolerant when receiving their mail. (up to a point). It's still no reason to do it wrong yourself.
[14:21] <shane4ubuntu> but since I only use my laptop to travel, I want TB to be configured correctly on my desktop
[14:21] <alvin> Well, you're right. That wasn't your question
[14:22] <alvin> Still I thought Thunderbird can be configured to do it the Microsoft Way.
[14:22] <shane4ubuntu> that is what I'm saying, Thunderbird (TB) can be configured, I did configure it, and it isn't listening
[14:23] <shane4ubuntu> when I hit reply my sig appears at the top for a split second and then jumps to the bottom, and I have to cut and paste it back in
[14:23] <shane4ubuntu> I tried the fix on the web page I posted, and it was already set that way, and didn't help.
[14:26] <shane4ubuntu> ahh, so that is all I get preached at about 'right and wrong way of email sigs replys' and no help, nice.
[14:50] <alvin> Well, if it's in an RFC, it's a software feature. That means that it's very well possible that it's supposed to work like that. (Can't help much btw. I'm a KMail user)
[14:54] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:55] <shane4ubuntu> alvin: that is understandable if you don't use TB, that was why I asked in the beginning, found the prob, turns out it was an addon (Signature Switch) that always puts the Sig at the bottom, switched to Quick Text for my Signature switching (Spanish/English Signature)
[14:55] <shane4ubuntu> alvin: RFC?
[14:57] <alvin> Yes, the method of posting is actually described in RFC 1855. That's not a rule. More a set of guidelines. Still, these guidelines are being followed by usenet, mailing lists and software.
[14:58] <shane4ubuntu> alvin: ahh, ok.  Probably safe to say that the majority (at least in my address book) know nothing of this rfc. :)
[14:59] <alvin> Let's say that the people ad Redmond who programmed Outlook (Express) were probably unaware of it's existence.
[15:05] <shane4ubuntu> lol, probably very very true.
[15:57] <JuJuBee> I was in the middle of installing ubuntu-desktop and about 70% done when my laptop just shut off.  This is new isntall of 10.10
[15:57] <JuJuBee> Can I pick up where I left off?  It was still downloading packages
[16:06] <iulian_> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[16:07] <Pici> JuJuBee: It should pick up where it left off if it was still downloading the packages.
[16:08] <JuJuBee> Pici: well, it didnt it started at the beginning again.  It is done downloading now and installing so no biggie I guess.  thanks for reply though
[16:08] <Pici> JuJuBee: Odd.
[16:16] <lemon> any Chinese chatroom
[16:16] <rork> !cn | lemon
[16:38] <neil__> quick silly question (google was zero help)... I want to upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04, in ubuntu very easy in terminal, how can I do it in Kubuntu?
[16:40] <tsimpson> neil__: the exact same way
[16:41] <StFS> Hi, I just upgraded to Kubuntu 10.10 and I'm having a hard time with KMix. If I set it to anything >0% it blasts the sound really loud, otherwise its mute. I can watch in alsamixer that the PCM channel jumps between 0% and 100% when I move the KMix slider between 0% and maybe 2% it rockets up.. and when I go further (say 10% the "Master" channel in alsamixer starts to rise)
[16:41] <neil__> tsimpson: sudo update-manager -d -c doesn't work :/
[16:41] <tsimpson> neil__: in what way doesn't work?
[16:42] <tsimpson> oh, that's not the command line way, that the gui way
[16:42] <neil__> tsimpson: update-manager is not found... suspect KDE doesn't use it... only ubuntu...
[16:43] <neil__> tsimpson: hmmm... true... guess it is the gui way... so u know the terminal way? :)
[16:45] <tfirkins> Hello, I have a question(s) about manual partitioning during installation from a Kubuntu 10.10 Live CD
[16:48] <tsimpson> neil__: one sec
[16:51] <tfirkins> It looks like the Live installer offers only to erase and use entire disk or relies on the user to have the partition table memorized. I have an existing 10.04 installation and I want a fresh 10.10 installation to the same partition, without disturbing NTFS partitions. I'm not confident about how to enter the partition info. I DO have a complete disk image (backup).
[16:52] <neil__> tsimpson: just run do-release-upgrade and added a -d and something is happening... cheers
[16:52] <tsimpson> neil__: kdesudo "do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f kde -d"
[16:52] <tsimpson> for the GUI version
[16:52] <iulian_> sudo aptitude update&&sudo aptitude upgrade
[16:53] <tfirkins> I have tried that twice with strange results, and it takes forever. I want to try fresh install and then upgrade to KDE 4.6 from there.
[16:53] <tsimpson> tfirkins: there is the option to install without formatting in the partitioner options
[16:55] <neil__> thanks... IRC server going down for maintenance... catch u guys later
[16:55] <tfirkins> bummer, just getting good
[16:59] <Captain_Haddock> lucid: ran a standard update which included a kernel update (IIRC) and now I cannot log back into my system.  I get a Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block (0,0) error.
[16:59] <Captain_Haddock> Google tells me that this is a GRUB issue. Can somebody please help me fix this?
[16:59] <Captain_Haddock> I have this thing called a SuperGRUB disk which I've used in the past... but the default options do not seem to help. I'll need to do some customising.
[17:06] <BluesKaj> Captain_Haddock, best to use the live-cd if you have one to restore grub
[17:06] <BluesKaj> !grubfix
[17:06] <BluesKaj> !grub2
[17:06] <shane4ubuntu> ok, quick question, I have two monitors, setup side by side, I can drag windows from one to the other, how do I control which monitor a window opens on to?  seems to be random.  I have nvidia driver installed.
[17:07] <shane4ubuntu> is there a way to set this?
[17:08] <shane4ubuntu> Captain_Haddock: you should be able to log in via the older kernel, they are left on the system for that reason
[17:08] <BluesKaj> shane4ubuntu, dunno , try #nvidia
[17:08] <shane4ubuntu> Captain_Haddock: in the boot menu, select one of the lower in the list kernels
[17:08] <tsimpson> I think there are settings for that in the Display module in system settings
[17:08] <BluesKaj> shane4ubuntu, he can't get to a grub menu
[17:08] <tsimpson> under "Multiple Monitors"
[17:09] <Captain_Haddock> shane4ubuntu , BluesKaj : I don't get to the screen where I have those options to choose kernels.
[17:09] <thrall_> I have two monitors set up side by side, but when I reboot it forgets the settings and reboots with the screens as clones. Does anyone know how to fix this?
[17:09] <Captain_Haddock> shane4ubuntu: BluesKaj : I seem to be able to get those options with the SuperGrubdisk.. but selecting older kernels seems to have no effect.
[17:09] <shane4ubuntu> BluesKaj: usually the kernel panic error is after grub
[17:09] <BluesKaj> Captain_Haddock, try rebooting and holding down the shift key to get the grub menu
[17:09] <shane4ubuntu> Captain_Haddock: is it hidden, maybe try hitting esc key to show the menu?
[17:11] <shane4ubuntu> thrall_: do you have nvidia?  and set it up with the nvidia thing?  view the xorg.conf file and save it to a location you have permissions to save it too, then move it to the /etc/X11/ location with sudo on command line.
[17:11] <shane4ubuntu> thrall_: that will fix it.
[17:11] <BluesKaj> nvidia thing?
[17:12] <thrall_> shane4ubuntu: I don't think I've come across any nvidia things
[17:12] <Captain_Haddock> shane4ubuntu: BluesKaj still experimenting with this disk... One of the older kernels seems to get a little further... Now I've been dropped into a busybox shell
[17:12] <Captain_Haddock> Does that help a little bit?
[17:13] <shane4ubuntu> thrall_: hmm, then I'm not sure, I have nvidia, and it didn't save it to the xorg.conf settings because of permissions errors, that is a work around but may be specific for nvidia.
[17:14] <shane4ubuntu> Captain_Haddock: booting of Super Grub Disk?  or Ubuntu Live CD?
[17:14] <Captain_Haddock> Super Grub
[17:14] <shane4ubuntu> Captain_Haddock: I'm not sure about that, what I meant was booting directly off the harddrive
[17:15] <BluesKaj> thrall_, look in kmenu/applications/system / nvidia X server
[17:15] <shane4ubuntu> BluesKaj: did you like that?  nvidia thing. :)  Nvidia setup menu thing lol, sorry couldn't come up with the name of it off the top of my head.
[17:15] <thrall_> shane4ubuntu: I set the displays via System Settings > Displays and Monitors, but it might be a similar issue.  I'll take a look at the xorg.conf file
[17:16] <shane4ubuntu> thrall_: hmm, back that file up before messing with it, I tried to set mine up with that too, and had the same problem, not sure what the fix is for that.
[17:17] <thrall_> shane4ubuntu: ok thanks
[17:17] <Captain_Haddock> BluesKaj: ooh, SHIFT helps... recovery mode for the latest kernel = kernel panic
[17:17] <BluesKaj> Captain_Haddock, the super grub used to work with the old grub version , dunno about grub2 ,,try rebooting with shift key down as I said earlier , then choose the recovery kernel , then fix broken packages in the dialog that comes up\]
[17:17] <Captain_Haddock> shane4ubuntu: trying that now.
[17:18] <Captain_Haddock> BluesKaj: woohoo! .26 (normal) seems to be working.
[17:19]  * Captain_Haddock shakes BluesKaj's hand
[17:19] <shane4ubuntu> tsimpson: I see multiple monitors, but don't quite see where to set what monitor, is the Show unmanaged windows on: Display containing the Pointer    the place to set it?  gave that a try and didn't seem to work.
[17:19] <BluesKaj> Captain_Haddock, well, thank me when you get to the desktop :)
[17:20] <Captain_Haddock> BluesKaj: I've got the login prompt :)
[17:20] <BluesKaj> cool! Captain_Haddock
[17:21] <BluesKaj> now you have to update , to get the kernel source driver fixed
[17:21] <Captain_Haddock> BluesKaj: running apt and there are some grub updates :o
[17:21] <shane4ubuntu> tsimpson: ohh, I take that back, it seems to come up on the active desktop.
[17:22] <tsimpson> there seems to be a to manage it per-window, or per-application if you right-click the title bar and choose Advanced -> Advanced Window Settings or Advanced Application Settings
[17:22] <tsimpson> *a way
[17:24] <tsimpson> I don't have a 2nd screen attached at the moment, but I think there was something there
[17:24] <shane4ubuntu> tsimpson: wow, there are some complex settings in there!  I was looking for a more simple way to open window on inactive desktop, thanks for the info though
[17:25] <shane4ubuntu> tsimpson: I will have to tinker with it later, I thought it was a simple thing, but looks a little more complex.
[17:26] <tsimpson> if there's one think KDE has in buckets, it's configurability
[17:29] <shane4ubuntu> that is for sure!
[17:30] <thrall_> shane4ubuntu: there is no xorg.conf anywhere, only xorg.conf.d . Maybe that is the problem?
[17:31] <shane4ubuntu> thrall_: no, xorg was dumped a while ago, however if one is created it will use it, I can post mine, but it could be dangerous just plugging it in as is.
[17:33] <thrall_> shane4ubuntu: so if I create a simple xorg.conf file specifying the screen setup it might work?
[17:33] <shane4ubuntu> thrall_: here is mine as a guide: http://pastebin.com/iHAm46DC    WARNING don't just blindly copy that thing it was created by my nvidia driver.  Use at your own risk. :)
[17:34] <thrall_> shane4ubuntu: ok thanks I'll study it carefully :)
[17:34] <shane4ubuntu> with that mine boots with dual screen enabled,
[17:35] <shane4ubuntu> Good luck, don't ask me about it, as I have always hated xorg.conf files, and never had a good grasp on configuring them, editing them, or manually writing them.
[17:35] <shane4ubuntu> thrall_: ^^^
[17:36] <BluesKaj> shane4ubuntu, if you want an xorg file written to the nvidia driver run sudo nvidia-xconfig
[17:36] <thrall_> shane4ubuntu: ok thanks.
[17:37] <BluesKaj> thrall_, shane4ubuntu best to toso with kdm stopped in a tty
[17:37] <BluesKaj> to do so
[17:37] <shane4ubuntu> BluesKaj: ahh, I think I tried that too, and I don't think it worked for some reason, I thought I read a there was a bug with the nvidia-xconfig thing, but I may be wrong about that.
[17:38] <shane4ubuntu> BluesKaj: but that was a while ago I set mine up and don't mess with it, works, fine for me, but thanks for the info.
[17:38] <divinefury> talking about ttys, why has my ttyACM0 gone missing :(?
[17:39] <divinefury> (resulting in me being unable to connect to my phone over AT using gnokii)
[17:39] <shane4ubuntu> BluesKaj: ohh, that is a different command than what I used before, thanks for that tip!!!
[17:39] <shane4ubuntu> BluesKaj: I always tried to do that through the nvidia-settings thing
[17:39] <shane4ubuntu> as root, and it never would write to /etc/X11
[17:41] <BluesKaj> shane4ubuntu, thrall_ like so : http://pastebin.com/kwD8VX6E
[17:41] <Wanderer> hmm, installed a fresh sysstem from Maveric Download CD
[17:41] <Wanderer> seems to have failed installing openssh and kde
[17:43] <FloridaGuy> wasent there something ubuntu kubuntu had to make i liveusb stick
[17:43] <davidelv> just installed kubuntu after ive been using ubuntu for years
[17:43] <Wanderer> FloridaGuy: usb-creator
[17:43] <davidelv> I really like it.. seems more smooth
[17:44] <FloridaGuy> Wanderer: does that make from iso..or copy your system
[17:44] <Wanderer> from iso
[17:44] <BluesKaj> Wanderer, failed to install kde ?
[17:45] <Wanderer> yep
[17:45] <Wanderer> no X, kde or such after a basic install of kubuntu desktop
[17:45] <FloridaGuy> Wanderer: isent there anything that does your system...like mklivecd
[17:46] <BluesKaj> <-- not familiar with usb install procedure
[17:46] <davidelv> there are guides on the netbook download sections
[17:46] <davidelv> to make usb install
[17:47] <davidelv> both from windows, mac and ubuntu
[18:11] <Guest48821> Hi, anyone knows how to make work broadcom bcm4311 on 10.10?
[18:11] <BluesKaj> !bcm
[18:13] <rob0917> Will the unity desktop change in ubuntu 11.04 affect kubuntu 11.04 ?
[18:13] <maco> rob0917: no, unity is not kde
[18:14] <rob0917> maco: that's great,just wondered
[18:36] <Captain_Haddock> BluesKaj: all is well once again in my world.
[18:36] <Captain_Haddock> Thanks mate!
[19:07] <Wanderer> hmm, can anyone help me get my sound working?   Fresh Install of Maverick and a SB Audigy
[19:07] <Wanderer> added myself to the audio group, re-log,  no change
[19:10] <divinefury> Wanderer: do you have alsaconf installed?
[19:10] <Wanderer> nope,  alsactl, not conf though
[19:11] <Wanderer> hmm, what package/  "apt-cache search alsaconf" comes back empty
[19:11] <divinefury> Wanderer: it does not seem to be in the repos anymore :o
[19:11] <Wanderer> nasty
[19:12] <Wanderer> alsactl shows the card and I can adjust settings
[19:12] <divinefury> Wanderer: does that help?
[19:13] <Wanderer> not really
[19:13] <Wanderer> I still have no sound
[19:14] <yofel> Wanderer: can you install pavucontrol and see what that says?
[19:14] <yofel> since we use pulseaudio by default in maverick
[19:14] <Wanderer> checking
[19:16] <Wanderer> installed and started,  "Connection refused"
[19:16] <yofel> o.O
[19:16] <Wanderer> yeah, I'm piecing this together, the base install failed to install a bunch of stuff
[19:17] <yofel> make sure kubuntu-desktop is installed
[19:17] <divinefury> Wanderer: in kde, go to System Settings->Multimedia
[19:17] <Wanderer> well, that's going to install a lot :>
[19:18] <Wanderer> upgrading 2, 359 newly installed, 1 removed
[19:18] <divinefury> Wanderer: oops, you don't have kde [scratches head]
[19:18] <Wanderer> I've got part of kde, just not all of it itseems
[19:18] <Wanderer> mostly installing libraries and support apps (amarok?)
[19:19] <divinefury> Wanderer: was the media you were installing off, corrupt :o?
[19:19] <Wanderer> didn't say so, DVD verifcation passed
[19:19] <Wanderer> and fresh download last night
[19:20] <divinefury> Wanderer: very strange
[19:20] <Wanderer> ok, letting that download/install,  lunch with wife
[19:20] <Wanderer> back in an hour
[19:21] <divinefury> did you somehow manage to uncheck any packages? (i remember the good ol' days of slackware where you could customize your installation :)
[19:21] <divinefury> enjoy your meal :)
[19:21] <yofel> I had issues installing from CD here, but that failed at the beginning, funny enough, the DVD worked fine
[19:21] <yofel> divinefury: nope, that's not supported (yet?)
[19:21] <yofel> I do remeber doing the same in suse though ^^
[19:23] <divinefury> yofel: yeh me too (although the suse interface was a lot better and you didn't have to manually mount drives and all that) :)...and in mandriva, never really tried fedora so cant say anything about that
[19:23] <divinefury> yofel: the best was gentoo though :p
[19:24] <yofel> oh yeah, gentoo was great, too much work to keep updated though ^^
[19:27] <divinefury> yofel: too right, although the system was extremely customized and responsive, i don't really see the point of going through the hassle on a quad core system which was blazing fast even with windows vista (the pre-installed OS)
[19:29] <divinefury> anyways, i will be off :)
[19:29] <divinefury> later
[19:29] <divinefury> peace
[19:29] <divinefury> out
[19:29] <FloodBotK2> divinefury: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:29] <divinefury> hahahaaa :)...ooops :)
[19:35] <Wanderer> ok, back, wife wanted lunch at home
[19:35] <Wanderer> rebooting after all the libs installed
[19:42] <Wanderer> ahh, sound worked
[19:49] <Wanderer> ok, looks like I have to remove nouveau and use the nvidia drivers
[19:49] <Wanderer> anyone know the "right" way to do that?
[19:49] <Wanderer> apparantly running the bundler form nvidia is a bad thing now
[19:50] <yofel> open jockey-kde from krunner or from the menu (called hardware drivers)
[19:50] <yofel> install the recommended version from there
[19:51] <Wanderer> nice, ok
[19:51] <Wanderer> so that'll download the latest from nvidia?
[19:52] <yofel> no, that'll install what we have in the archive, the x-updates PPA has newer versions sometimes, but usually what we have in the archive works fine
[19:53] <yofel> maverick has 260.19.06 currently
[19:53] <Wanderer> hmm, ok, had issues until I got to 260.19.36
[19:53] <yofel> ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates has 270.18-0ubuntu1~maverick~xup1 which is the current beta driver
[19:53] <Wanderer> if I have problems still I'll try the xupdates
[19:58] <ct529> Wanderer: do you need to sue CUDA?
[19:59] <Wanderer> what?
[19:59] <ct529> Wanderer: sorry *use* CUDA?
[19:59] <Wanderer> what's cuda?
[19:59] <Wanderer> I'm used to doing things via cmd-line, thus my holes in knowledge
[19:59] <Wanderer> need a driver? download and install from comandline... what's this gui stuff :>
[20:00] <yofel> well, there's jockey-cli for the command line stuff too
[20:00] <Wanderer> oh, looking into that :>
[20:00] <yofel> or if all breaks 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-current && sudo nvidia-xconfig'
[20:00] <yofel> but that'll add a lot of junk in the xorg.conf
[20:00] <Wanderer> well, you have to have the right packages first :>
[20:01] <Wanderer> and last time I used the built-in nvidia was quite some time ago
[20:04] <Wanderer> woah,  no X resolution
[20:05] <Wanderer> 640
[20:07] <yofel> did you reboot?
[20:07] <Wanderer> yep
[20:08] <yofel> odd... can you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log? (use pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log)
[20:08] <Wanderer> sec, making sure everything is up to date
[20:09] <CQ> hello, I can't get a windows printer to work from ubuntu... printing works fine from another windows machine, but under kubuntu, the job just shows up in teh print monitor, disappears, and nochting happens... any ideas??
[20:10] <CQ> surry, under kubuntu ... latest version
[20:13] <murchadh> Hi peeps. My dolphin has stopped showing folder icons. I've found a .directory file with [Desktop Entry] which shows an icon for that containing folder but the standard .directory file in each folder seems to be missing this entry. Don't think copying this file into every directory is the answer (don't know how I'd do that anyway). Any ideas why dolphin stopped showing folder icon?
[20:13] <Wanderer> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/561579/
[20:16] <yofel> [    15.584] (WW) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Unable to read EDID for display device DFP-0
[20:17] <yofel> seems the driver can't read what resolutions your display supports o.O
[20:18] <diego_> Is there any spanish community?
[20:18] <genii-around> !es
[20:18] <yofel> diego_: #kubuntu-es or #ubuntu-es
[20:18] <diego_> thanks
[20:19] <diego_> no one is in kubuntu-es :(
[20:20] <diego_> is there any problem running compizconfig with kubuntu 10.10?
[20:20] <diego_> because i have kubuntu 10.10 and compizconfig doesnt work for me :S
[20:22] <Wanderer> yofel: ok, the 260.06 drivers work, atleast somewhat
[20:22] <Wanderer> trying wine
[20:23] <Wanderer> looking good so far
[20:37] <diego_> someone has the solution how compizconfig can work in kubuntu?
[21:06] <JuJuBee> What version of kde should I be running with 10.10?
[21:08] <iulian_> 4.5.1
[21:09] <utku> Hi, I have installed Nvidia drivers but fonts look strange now. How can I re-enable nouveau again? I have tried removing nvidia and installing nouveau again but X fails to start then.
[21:09] <JuJuBee> When I did an upgrade to 10.10 from 10.04 on a different machine I think it gave me 4.6.  I like the new graphics...  Can/should I upgrade to 4.6 ?
[21:26] <sourcemaker> are there known problems with kontact and kde 4.6.... kadressbook does not very well
[21:26] <sourcemaker> it seems that there is a akonadi related problem like a internal timeout...
[21:26] <sourcemaker> every day I have to restart kontakt... otherwise there are no contacts visible
[21:47] <florian_> can i just run a dist-upgrade after adding the backports ppa to get kde 4.6?
[21:54] <yofel> florian_: should work fine
[21:55] <florian_> yofel: ty
[21:55] <yofel> just make sure it doesn't remove kubuntu-desktop for some reason
[22:04] <mrothhh> how do I fsck a lvm disk
[22:05] <james147> mrothhh: run it on the virtual partition
[22:05] <mrothhh> oh
[22:05] <mrothhh> can I do that with a ubuntu live cd
[22:09] <james147> mrothhh: i would think so
[22:11] <BluesKaj> the latest kernel <IP_ADDRESS> wouldn't boot on my den-pc after I did a clean install , so i deleted it ,,,strange thp
[22:11] <BluesKaj> tho
[23:26] <FloridaGuy> just upgraded my internet speed to 8mbps....whats some good fast U.S mirrors
[23:36] <valorie> mirrors of what, SrS?
[23:37] <valorie> oops, gone
[23:39] <FloridaGuy> what are some good fast repo mirrors....where i can get 600+ kbps
[23:46] <valorie> !mirrors
[23:47] <valorie> hope that helps, FloridaGuy
[23:49] <FloridaGuy> valorie: nope...dont need to download the distro.....trying to figure out good fast repo mirrors
[23:49] <mantise> hi
[23:50] <mantise> hi
[23:51] <mantise> Kubuntu Plasma Desktop is the full normal version of kubuntu ?
[23:51] <FloridaGuy> mantise: yep
[23:52] <mantise> ok, thanks :)
[23:52] <FloridaGuy> welcome
[23:53] <FloridaGuy> normaly this room in non stop chatter..now to today everyone a sleep..... well time for reboot


[13:27] <sophomore> Hello
[16:05] <sophomore> Where to get the bzr viz command on Debian?
[16:25] <smoser> wasn't obvious to me where this came from
[16:25] <smoser> but
[16:25] <smoser>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr-fastimport/+bug/1378921
[16:27] <smoser> ah. i see. dupe of bug 1295833, but unforutnately still not fixed in ubuntu :-(
[16:29] <smoser> jelmer, is that fixed in debian ?
[16:34] <smoser> oh. i see your comment. wonder why no longer present in debian.