[05:32] <Viper12> mikerobi, if you're still here, I figured it out.  the ide drive needed to have the bootable flag set...it wasn't..............late night moronics at work.
[05:32] <danko123451> bloc76: me
[05:32] <bloc76> danko123451, did it work well?
[05:32] <paulproteus> bloc76: I did, too.
[05:32] <danko123451> works fine, yes
[05:32] <bloc76> cool, i think i'll do it
[05:32] <foxiness> crimsun, not one file "huge" stuff
[05:32] <paulproteus> Then I dropped my iBook and started getting bad sectors. (-;
[05:32] <danko123451> It is kinda tricky to install....what wwas it...
[05:32] <bloc76> my os x installed got screwed so I need to reinstall anyway
[05:32] <crimsun> foxiness: all under one subdirectory in your user's home dir?
[05:32] <amonkey> is there any known problem wiht dvd-rw's in ubuntu? mine was working under windows and won't recognize media when i try to burn with it.
[05:32] <foxiness> danko123451, this will not work on subdir
[05:33] <Viper12> g'nite all.
[05:33] <danko123451> first install the OSX...and make partitions with the OSX installer
[05:33] <Absenth> What I wanna know is how long you apple guys think it'll take me to pull the 30gb out of my 12" ibook, and install a 100gb
[05:33] <danko123451> Leave a small one at the first spot...
[05:33] <bloc76> danko123451, i think you just need to create a partition of linux before you install os x
[05:33] <foxiness> crimsun, no
[05:33] <bloc76> danko123451, does that sound right?
[05:33] <Absenth> the online guides all make it look like a bitch.  :/
[05:33] <paulproteus> Absenth: I haven't checked the guides Apple puts online.
[05:33] <stevenj> crimsun, thats the kind of book I have been looking for---ordering it now
[05:34] <bloc76> Absenth, i have a 20gig in my ibook :(
[05:34] <danko123451> bloc76: something along those lines..
[05:34] <danko123451> bloc76: you need a small partition left empty at the beginning..
[05:34] <danko123451> bloc76: then lilo can sit itself there..
[05:34] <Absenth> I don't really need to dual boot my ibook.  I can't think of a single piece of software I'd use that doesn't run under OS-x
[05:34] <danko123451> a new world partiion.
[05:34] <bloc76> danko123451, ok
[05:35] <danko123451> Absenth: I agree..somewhat..
[05:35] <qweqw> heh.. the 3d desktops are so unpopular that the only one  on freshmeat is no longer there
[05:35] <bloc76> Absenth, some things i like better in linux
[05:35] <Absenth> I just want 100gb so I can keep a crapload of music and such on there for when I'm out and about (which for work is a lot of the time)
[05:35] <danko123451> its not so much a programm issue...
[05:35] <bloc76> Absenth, for instance kate
[05:35] <bloc76> i use it for most of my coding
[05:35] <foxiness> crimsun, all file on /root am copy it to /home/foxiness "all stuff" "3Gb"
[05:35] <bloc76> basically, i'd much rather code in linux
[05:35] <Frail> hi everyone
[05:35] <paulproteus> bloc76: "The core is hard with this one."
[05:35] <goldfish> hi Frail
[05:35] <danko123451> more like a looks thing
[05:35] <foxiness> hi Frail
[05:35] <Absenth> bloc76, I primarily use Ethereal, Etherape, Kismac, tcpdump, ssh, and the like on my ibook.
[05:35] <bloc76> paulproteus, ?
[05:35] <danko123451> hi Frail
[05:36] <paulproteus> bloc76: I was trying to say something about being hard-core, but it didn't work. ;)
[05:36] <danko123451> etherape?
[05:36] <bloc76> lol
[05:36] <kevman> The Universe package servers are down :/
[05:36] <Absenth> bloc76, less frequently Safari, and the NeoOffice?  (mac openoffice project)
[05:36] <crimsun> foxiness: cd && cp -a /root/{"all stuff","3Gb"} .
[05:36] <bloc76> paulproteus, it's not hardcore, there are just more tools for coding on linux
[05:36] <danko123451> hehe safari
[05:36] <danko123451> I use camino myself
[05:36] <foxiness> crimsun, :)
[05:36] <danko123451> and AdiumX thats a nice piece of software
[05:37] <Absenth> danko123451, it's in Synaptic after you load up the other sources if you wanna take a look.    I really prefer the Mozilla stuff, but....
[05:37] <qweqw> it was not really usable, either
[05:37] <fateisajester> can i have both j2sdk and j2re on my system?
[05:37] <Absenth> thanks qweqw
[05:38] <danko123451> qweqw: its like that new thing...whhats it called
[05:38] <qweqw> transparency?
[05:38] <fateisajester> or can i get rid of j2re?
[05:38] <crimsun> fateisajester: yes, but if you have the former, you don't need the latter separately because it's already included
[05:38] <danko123451> nah...
[05:38] <qweqw> project something or other
[05:38] <danko123451> that whole big thing...
[05:38] <qweqw> i think
[05:38] <Cowlike> sdk includes the jre
[05:38] <nickrud> luminocity ...
[05:38] <crimsun> project looking glass?
[05:38] <fateisajester> ok
[05:38] <fateisajester> thanks
[05:38] <karsten> Is there a breakdown anywhere of key departures of Ubuntu from Debian stock?
[05:38] <qweqw> yep
[05:38] <danko123451> you can have both...
[05:38] <qweqw> that's it
[05:38] <crimsun> karsten: perhaps on the wiki
[05:38] <danko123451> only one should be referenced in /etc/bash.bashrc
[05:39] <qweqw> http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/
[05:39] <qweqw> that as well, Absenth
[05:39] <tirian> looking glass is really slow for me.
[05:39] <karsten> crimsun: I'm hitting the faq...
[05:39] <eruin> looking glass both looks and sounds silly to me
[05:39] <danko123451> fateisajester: once you install it...put something like JAVA_HOME=/usr/jv
[05:39] <danko123451> export JAVA_HOME
[05:39] <danko123451> PATH=$PATH:JAVA_HOME/bin
[05:39] <danko123451> export PATH
[05:40] <Absenth> Interesting.
[05:40] <qweqw> i think it is
[05:40] <qweqw> i don't need depth
[05:40] <qweqw> i like 2d
[05:40] <fateisajester> ok...thanks
[05:40] <Absenth> Metisse looks pretty old.  neat concept, but not the way I think I'd do things.
[05:40] <amonkey> where can i get another d?
[05:40] <danko123451> whats that new thing called, qweqw?
[05:40] <karsten> crimsun: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/document_view
[05:40] <danko123451> that OS thing
[05:40] <karsten> crimsun: Is there a channel bot here?
[05:40] <qweqw> dunno
[05:41] <qweqw> damn, i had something to say
[05:41] <crimsun> karsten: an unofficial one, I think
[05:41] <danko123451> like a whole OS, multi user..3d...
[05:41] <qweqw> longhorn?
[05:41] <qweqw> lol
[05:41] <karsten> crimsun: Does it have a name?
[05:41] <danko123451> hass that alice in wonderland little representation of characters..
[05:41] <Absenth> project looking glass has potential I think, but I'll wait and see before playing with it myself.
[05:41] <danko123451> lol
[05:41] <nickrud> qweqw, have you tried checking out luminocity with floppy windows? now that's useful use of 3d
[05:41] <karsten> crimsun: ...or should I address my questions to the-bot-which-shall-be-nameless?
[05:41] <qweqw> ahh
[05:41] <Absenth> longhorn?  Bah.....  more like MS Bob
[05:41] <qweqw> luminocity
[05:41] <Absenth> :P
[05:41] <crimsun> karsten: yes, but I don't remember its name, sorry
[05:41] <eruin> I just really, really hate java
[05:41] <qweqw> that's right, saw it on slashdot
[05:42] <amonkey> i remember ms bob, that was pretty cool while it lasted
[05:42] <Absenth> danko123451, you find Etherape?
[05:42] <qweqw> i saw a demo of multi-layered monitors for true depth, as well
[05:42] <karsten> bob2: Could you add bot(s) to /topic?
[05:42] <danko123451> anyone know what that whole OS that is like 3d and multiuser, its all nice windows in 3d, you move from one computer to another seamlessly called?
[05:42] <karsten> danko123451: HollywoodOS?
[05:42] <danko123451> nah
[05:42] <Absenth> danko123451, http://etherape.sourceforge.net
[05:42] <trans_err> danko123451: looking glass
[05:42] <nickrud> qweqw, use jhbuild to get it, it's painless, and promising
[05:43] <danko123451> it hass a name like croquet
[05:43] <crimsun> Amaranth: were you running an infobot here in #ubuntu?
[05:43] <danko123451> there, I remembered
[05:43] <karsten> danko123451: ...or GTA.
[05:43] <danko123451> croquet
[05:43] <Cowlike> eruin: you grow to like it a bit more when you need to do huge, enterprise apps :)
[05:43] <danko123451> check that out, Absenth
[05:43] <danko123451> croquet
[05:43] <qweqw> i'll check it out.. start messing with it tomorrow.. thanks for the info ;)
[05:43] <eruin> Cowlike: I'm thinking more from a user's perspective though
[05:44] <qweqw> i've been awake for so long that i am hallucinating smoke rising off of every surface
[05:44] <qweqw> good night
[05:44] <eruin> oh, blimey
[05:44] <danko123451> good night
[05:44] <Cowlike> qweqw, make sure you don't have a fire going there!
[05:44] <eruin> its almost 0600
[05:44] <nickrud> qweqw, enjoyed talking
[05:44] <danko123451> make sure its not a fire
[05:44] <danko123451> exactly, Cowlike
[05:44] <Absenth> danko123451, now that's cool.....  I'm going to have to play with that once I start my new job, and have some free time.
[05:44] <eruin> right, sod this, I'm off ;)
[05:44] <Frail> alright.. which one of you lucky ones are up for a newbie question?
[05:44] <danko123451> you saw it?
[05:45] <crimsun> karsten: another method is grepping for an info bot in fabbione's logs for #ubuntu at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[05:45] <Absenth> danko123451, yeah, it's opencroquet.com or net
[05:45] <danko123451> there is a screenshot section
[05:45] <Absenth> danko123451, looks pretty interesting.
[05:45] <karsten> crimsun: Point
[05:45] <jackmacokc> frail: just fire it out there
[05:45] <Frail> alrighty
[05:45] <danko123451> yeah, it will look more so in about 5 years or something
[05:46] <danko123451> but that looking glass Sun thing looks similar
[05:46] <Absenth> We'll see
[05:46] <Absenth> First I get to wrap my head around administering a mixed windows/Unix network.
[05:47] <StR> hi there....
[05:47] <danko123451> hi right back at ya
[05:47] <danko123451> :)
[05:47] <StR> in synaptic.... the installed (local or obsolete) can be removed?
[05:47] <Absenth> I'm inhertiting a network who's previous admin didn't want to know how to manage DNS servers, or anything that wasn't windows.  so all the websites and e-mail addresses we host, have DNS hosted by either Register.com or GoDaddy.
[05:47] <jackmacokc> oh god
[05:48] <jackmacokc> thats aweful
[05:48] <karsten> Absenth: Take four ...
[05:48] <karsten> Absenth: Tum, tum tum tum...
[05:48] <Absenth> karsten, I'll take two more after I duct tape my head back together.
[05:48] <jackmacokc> as your doctor, i recommend you drink this bottle of tequila and call me in the morning
[05:48] <karsten> jackmacokc: He can't see the bats.
[05:48] <karsten> jackmacokc: ...and it's "as your lawyer".
[05:49] <Absenth> hey even that's better then doing deskside support for 300 users in a government job.
[05:49] <Absenth> which is the job I'm leaving.
[05:49] <jackmacokc> karsten: whatever..you get the point ;)
[05:49] <Absenth> heh Absinthe might.
[05:49] <karsten> jackmacokc: Damned straight and RIP.
[05:49] <stevenj> can anyone recommend ajunta dev?
[05:50] <karsten> Absenth: I think I've got it...
[05:50] <karsten> Absenth: you maketh the heart grow fonderth.
[05:50] <jackmacokc> i have a feeling frail is going to lay a big paragraph on us
[05:50] <b0urn3> can someone tell me how to get to the desktop preferences in Hoary?
[05:50] <mae> whats an easy to use commandline tool for runlevel services manipulation..
[05:51] <crimsun> mae: update-rc.d
[05:51] <Absenth> so Ubuntu as an internet DNS server.......  good, Bad or Indiffrent.
[05:51] <jackmacokc> b0urn3: which part of the desktop
[05:51] <barto-kun> how do you use scp to copy a file with spaces in it?
[05:51] <danko123451> b0urn3: yeah, what do you want to customize>
[05:51] <crimsun> Absenth: as with anything, depends on the admin
[05:51] <karsten> mae: update-rc.d
[05:51] <barto-kun> I've tried \, I've tried quotes, it treats every word as a separate file :\
[05:51] <danko123451> data\ structures\ and\ algorithms.pdf
[05:52] <karsten> Absenth: Sure.  Install bind9.  Chroot it if you're smart.
[05:52] <danko123451> oh, ok
[05:52] <b0urn3> i was going to change my icon set....i found on the 2.6 documentation something about "desktop preferences" being located in the applications menu
[05:52] <Absenth> crimsun, last few servers running BIND I managed were OpenBSD.  I'm likely to stick with that.
[05:52] <crimsun> Absenth: go with what gives you the fewest headaches
[05:52] <pixil9> or freebsd works
[05:52] <danko123451> icon set...
[05:52] <barto-kun> "scp <IP_ADDRESS>:Desktop/gorillaz\ -\ feel\ good.mov ." results in "scp: Desktop/gorillaz: No such file or directory"
[05:52] <karsten> Absenth: It's pretty much the same code.  I've had my say on OpenBSD vs. Debian (or Ubuntu as it were).  If you're comfortable with OBSD, use it.
[05:52] <jackmacokc> System -> Preferences -> Theme is probably where you want to go
[05:52] <Absenth> well anything this side of microsoft has got to be better then using Register.com for $35 a year.
[05:53] <crimsun> barto-kun: only quote the filename, not the entire command
[05:53] <karsten> barto-kun: Quote the filename.
[05:53] <karsten> barto-kun: "scp <IP_ADDRESS>:'Desktop/gorillaz\ -\ feel\ good.mov' ."
[05:53] <transgress> okay lets try again... there an easy way to install LVM with ubuntu?  or is it manually like most other distro's atm?
[05:53] <b0urn3> hmm...its not ther
[05:53] <karsten> barto-kun: ...it's getting expanded by the shell on the _other_ end, so you have to double-quote it.  Or use something else (lftp, mc) to grab it.
[05:54] <danko123451> b0urn3: which icons
[05:54] <danko123451> ?
[05:54] <jackmacokc> b0urn3: System -> Preferences -> Themes -> Theme Details -> Icons
[05:54] <danko123451> the ones for your folders?
[05:54] <crimsun> transgress: for a fresh install? Just choose expert mode.
[05:54] <barto-kun> karl: thanks muchly, works :)
[05:54] <barto-kun> damn nick completion
[05:54] <barto-kun> karsten rather
[05:54] <transgress> crimsun: awesome... i was hoping there was a choice... thanks.
[05:54] <karsten> barto-kun: NP ;-)
[05:54] <karl> (nick completion is evil! but they never listen to me)
[05:55] <karl> (and I like the blue highlighting too)
[05:55] <danko123451> hehe
[05:55] <b0urn3> ah ha....one more thing....can i run nautillus with permissions to write to certain folders without using sudo and the command line to do everything?
[05:55] <StR> anyone could help me tryiing to install/remove java?
[05:55] <transgress> because i'm about to install a 300 gig hard drive on this computer in the next couple months... don't feel like making a new partition for it when something as cool as lvm is around
[05:55] <pixil9> what is LVM
[05:55] <transgress> !google lvm
[05:55] <karsten> barto-kun: Another trick is to cat the remote file and pipe result locally:  ssh user@remotehost 'cat <filename>' > localfile
[05:55] <transgress> oh yeah this isn't the channel with the google bot
[05:55] <StR> I'm having problmes with apt-get install java-common
[05:55] <jackmacokc> b0urn3: Applications -> System Tools -> Root Terminal
[05:56] <karsten> karl: Sure.  You're just namesquatting me ;-)
[05:56] <karsten> transgress: #debian I think.
[05:56] <beowuff> Why can't I run a .sh from a cdrom?!? I set /dev/hdd to 770 and am using sudo to run it...
[05:56] <karsten> pixil9: LVM == logical volume manager.
[05:56] <transgress> karsten: would be fitting of them.  i do heart my debian folk...
[05:56] <b0urn3> thanks.....i appreciate the help
[05:57] <jackmacokc> no problemo
[05:57] <danko123451> b0urn3: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[05:57] <karsten> beowuff: Is it mounted 'noexec'?
[05:57] <danko123451> maybe....
[05:57] <StR> I get:
[05:57] <StR> Removing sun-j2re1.4.2 ...
[05:57] <StR> rm: cannot remove `/usr/bin/ControlPanel': No such file or directory
[05:57] <karsten> beowuff: bash -f <file> will run as well, regardless of exec bit.
[05:58] <beowuff> karsten No, it's not noexec...
[05:58] <beowuff> bash -f apears to be working. thanks.
[05:58] <karsten> beowuff: chmoding the mountpoint / device has no effect, settings are governed by the disk's own internal FS permissions.
[05:58] <transgress> so is like new OOo not going to be GPL'd?
[05:58] <karsten> beowuff: NP.
[05:59] <|QuaD-> transgress: why wouldn't it be?
[05:59] <karl> karsten: if I'm namesquatting, you could identify and kill me.....
[05:59] <transgress> |QuaD-: well there is a vote on newsforge asking about should there be a fork of OOo since it's using proprietary java code in the new version
[06:00] <HrdwrBoB> transgress: that's a complicated issue.
[06:00] <|QuaD-> transgress: the code is still all opensource i thouhgt, just java isn't opensource
[06:00] <barto-kun> yeah, it's open source code that relies on proprietary code
[06:01] <pixil9> no
[06:01] <|QuaD-> so that is still open source
[06:01] <karsten> karl: I've been known to do that.  You're typosquatting, not namequatting per se.
[06:01] <pixil9> it's all closed source
[06:01] <Absenth> google is a wonderful thing.
[06:01] <danko123451> heh
[06:01] <barto-kun> maybe they'll try and get it working on the gnu's free java platform
[06:01] <karsten> karl: Eg: I log on.  Hrm.  Nick's taken.  /msg karsten "I'll have my name back now" /msg nickserv recover karsten ******** ...
[06:01] <barto-kun> there they = OOo
[06:02] <Absenth> if you're ever sniffing on a switched lan, and see something with _MSBRO.  It's the MS Browser.....  not that anyone here really cares....
[06:02] <HrdwrBoB> barto-kun: no, it's more complicated than that too
[06:02] <HrdwrBoB> Absenth: yes it's SMB
[06:02] <HrdwrBoB> or 'CIFS'
[06:02] <danko123451> Absenth: might come in ahndy..
[06:02] <danko123451> or not...
[06:03] <danko123451> is it like, totally commplicated?
[06:03] <danko123451> cause that is what it sounds from what youve been telling us, HrdwrBoB
[06:03] <Absenth> has to do with the master browser, and trying to keep up to date with what SMB resources are avalible.....
[06:04] <Absenth> If we ever master implanting computers into our heads, I'm going to try really hard to have all of google downloaded into my skull.
[06:05] <HrdwrBoB> danko123451: openoffice doesn't totally rely on java
[06:05] <HrdwrBoB> some features (though large features) rely on java
[06:05] <HrdwrBoB> there are different implementations of java
[06:05] <karsten> Absenth: Have you heard the joke about the American, the German, and the Japanese businessman on the golf course?
[06:05] <HrdwrBoB> and the spec is open
[06:05] <|QuaD-> HrdwrBoB: right
[06:05] <pixil9> The american falls and breaks his neck because he's a retard
[06:05] <HrdwrBoB> however sun's license agreement causes problems with distributing java
[06:05] <HrdwrBoB> so the whole thing is a terrible mess
[06:06] <Coily> what's firefox's version of signon.txt (where the saved username/password entries are stored)
[06:06] <karsten> Absenth: http://www.humorshack.com/archive/jokes/computer/3.shtml
[06:06] <karsten> Absenth: ...you'll get to the fax bit in the end.
[06:07] <Coily> and by firefox's version i meant firefox for linux
[06:07] <calc> Coily: .mozilla/firefox/*profile*/signons.txt
[06:07] <Coily> not seein it there, calc
[06:07] <calc> Coily: its there on my box :)
[06:07] <Bachus9000> I've got a couple of questions, guys.  First of all.  Adjusting the mouse cursor size in System->Preferences->Mouse doesn't seem to do anything, even after logging out and/or rebooting.  Second, the openoffice.org-gtk package doesn't seem to work quite as advertised.  The color scheme matches GNOME, but the file open/save dialogs remain the old OO ones.   Speaking of which, is there a way to make Firefox use the gtk dialogs?
[06:07] <Coily> :O
[06:08] <calc> perhaps its dependent on version of firefox?
[06:08] <Coily> is it possible explore2fs is not reading it
[06:08] <calc> Coily: maybe
[06:08] <Coily> na its 1.3
[06:08] <^thehatsrule^> well its hidden...
[06:08] <karsten> Bachus9000: WRT the last, no, FFX uses its own widgets.
[06:08] <calc> last time i used explore2fs it ate my systems
[06:08] <calc> er system
[06:08] <Absenth> karsten, That's great.
[06:08] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[06:08] <Coily> lol seriously?
[06:08] <calc> Coily: yea but that was a few years ago
[06:08] <karsten> Bachus9000: ...there's a few GNOME browsers, Epiphany and Galeon among them.
[06:08] <karsten> Absenth: ;-)
[06:08] <calc> Coily: don't use it in write mode ;)
[06:09] <calc> at least unless it is much better now
[06:09] <Coily> heh good idea
[06:09] <danko123451> karsten: thats a funny joke...
[06:09] <Bachus9000> karsten, right, but so does OO and someone figured that one out.. :)
[06:09] <danko123451> somewhat
[06:09] <karsten> danko123451: Thanks.
[06:09] <Absenth> karsten, I think the blackberry is as connected as I'd like to get.
[06:09] <Coily> hm i guess explore2fs doesnt read hidden files
[06:09] <danko123451> you didnt write it...
[06:09] <Absenth> karsten, as far as in touch with others that is.
[06:09] <StR> where can I learn c#?
[06:09] <karsten> Bachus9000: Looks like there's an OOo build against GNOME.  FFX uses Xul AFAIU (and may be wrong).
[06:09] <transgress> StR:  don't.
[06:10] <limer> :D
[06:10] <StR> lol... sorry... wrong #channel
[06:10] <calc> Coily: it can't see the dotfiles in your home dir at all?
[06:10] <karsten> Absenth: Well, there's ways of being connected which are closer, but not electronically mediated.
[06:10] <limer> how do I change my keyboard to dvorak at the cli?
[06:10] <karsten> Absenth: Personally, I prefer a wall phone ;-)
[06:10] <karsten> limer: asdf
[06:10] <Absenth> karsten, I'm doomed to have brain, and hip cancer.  Worse things could happen.
[06:10] <Bachus9000> karsten, right.  Anyway, that was just something I was curious about.  My main concern is OO and the mouse cursor thing. :/
[06:10] <limer> I'm not *that* drunk karsten
[06:10] <limer> :P
[06:11] <transgress> no it was the right channel... because any right channel will tell you the same thing
[06:11] <karsten> Bachus9000: Not sure about the mouse.    I have a question regarding one of it's features
[06:11] <Coily> dotfile as in filname dot extension?
[06:11] <transgress> C does not suck and you're a freak for saying so karsten
[06:11] <transgress> C# on the other hand
[06:11] <calc> Coily: anything starting with a dot eg .mozilla
[06:12] <karsten> transgress: Wrong C.
[06:12] <calc> Coily: hidden files on linux always start with a .
[06:12] <Coily> ah ok, actually i skipped that, those are hidden and yes they are being read
[06:12] <transgress> C# is the most bastardized form of C ever
[06:12] <|QuaD-> transgress: for making simple apps its great
[06:12] <karsten> transgress: Talking morbidity, not compsi.
[06:13] <Coily> so i guess firefox put it in some crazy place or explore2fs refuses to read  the file...
[06:13] <limer> how do I change my keyboard to dvorak at the cli?
[06:13] <pixil9> Can you type faster on a dvorak?
[06:13] <pixil9> never tried one
[06:13] <transgress> karsten: morbidity?
[06:14] <limer> pixil9: so it's said if you devote time to it
[06:14] <karsten> limer: There's a dvorak/qwerty keyboard changer in a package for Debian, I *think* dvorak7min, which toggles state on either asdf or qwert (and the dvorak equivs).
[06:14] <danko123451> StR: try ripping an eBook on it from Kazaa or the like
[06:14] <crimsun> dpkg-reconfigure console-data
[06:14] <karsten> limer: Otherwise, loadkeys (console) or xmodmap (X) are your friend.
[06:14] <Coily> oh well i guess firefox hates me :x
[06:14] <limer> pixil9: learning curve can bit a little higher if you know qwerty since you are used to one
[06:14] <karsten> transgress: Medicine.  C == cancer.
[06:14] <danko123451> i have some on my other machine...
[06:14] <transgress> karsten: oh... heh yeah
[06:15] <limer> karsten: I'm drunk and learning to type! :D
[06:15] <transgress> isn't it easier to say cancer in a channel of computer geeks?
[06:15] <karsten> transgress: Sometimes also 'ca'.
[06:15] <karsten> limer: You're halfway there.
[06:15] <limer> but I will *believe* I'm doing well
[06:15] <limer> that's what's important
[06:15] <karsten> limer: Which half is your own issue...
[06:15] <limer> *hic*
[06:15] <Absenth> limer if you ever wanna have a lot of fun, trade out your qwerty keyboard, with a german keyboard.
[06:15] <limer> ja
[06:16] <karsten> limer: 'typespeed' and 'ktouch' (or something like that in KDE) are also good training.
[06:16] <limer> I remember Brother T'Sober in wiz7
[06:16] <Absenth> limer, I used one at an internet cafe, and I think it's E and Z? (someone german correct me if I'm wrong) are swapped.
[06:16] <limer> :D
[06:16] <karl> z and something
[06:16] <limer> I had to learn that shift+0 was = for knoppix 3.8 cebit
[06:16] <abbot45> if you install a program from source it wont automaticly put it in the gnome menu right?
[06:17] <karl> the worst bit is alt-gr-2 for @
[06:17] <karsten> Absenth: German toggles 'y' and 'z'.  Also adds some shift chars for  umlaut, etc.
[06:17] <limer> or was that T'Shober
[06:17] <limer> my fav monk
[06:17] <pixil9> How can I edit my menu? Enemy territory added a link and I don't want it.
[06:17] <karsten> abbot45: No.  'man menus'
[06:17] <Zerboxx> Anyone able to help out with aMSN, I'm trying to get display pictures working, any help would be great.  Thanks!
[06:17] <Absenth> karsten, I knew it was Z and something I used semi frequently.
[06:17] <karl> all that cannot hear are not deaf!
[06:17] <karl> or somethingl
[06:17] <StR> danko123451: THANKS!
[06:17] <karl> munk, not monk
[06:17] <goldfish> amsn sucks
[06:17] <goldfish> tbh
[06:17] <Absenth> karsten, it took me a lot longer to type my two paragraph home then it should have.
[06:17] <karsten> abbot45: Um.  Wrong manpage...
[06:17] <limer> karl: yes, ty
[06:18] <abbot45> i was about to say.  thats not working.
[06:18] <limer> Slay not he that cannot hear
[06:18] <danko123451> StR: yeah, youre welcome
[06:18] <karsten> abbot45: 'menu' package.
[06:18] <danko123451> StR: that is somewhere I would look if I wanted to lesrn that
[06:18] <limer> cojured Mynxlynx
[06:20] <abbot45> karsten: got it.  is that gonna give me a gui or no?
[06:20] <karsten> abbot45: It'll tell you how to define your own menus.
[06:20] <fejaor> anyone who know 2 errors that I have on boot??
[06:20] <abbot45> ok
[06:20] <abbot45> ill look at the man page
[06:21] <limer> fejaor: I can't read your mind man
[06:21] <fejaor> pnp: PnPACPI:METHOD_NAME_ _ CRS failure for PNP0C01
[06:21] <fejaor> pnp: PnPACPI:METHOD_NAME_ _ CRS failure for PNP0C02
[06:21] <karsten> fejaor: User?
[06:21] <karsten> fejaor: Do you have PnP OS enabled in BIOS?    A/K/A Plug'n'Play
[06:22] <danko123451> are you alone?
[06:22] <pixil9> I want to edit my damn gnome menu
[06:22] <pixil9> :(
[06:22] <Absenth> alright sleep time.  see everyone sometime later :)
[06:22] <jordanau> karsten, hahaha
[06:23] <jordanau> Absenth, goodnight
[06:23] <fejaor> jajajajaja
[06:23] <danko123451> bye Absenth]
[06:23] <fejaor> ok
[06:23] <fejaor> does that affect to anything else in order of performance or any othe problem?
[06:23] <pixil9> Does totem-xine use w32codecs?
[06:23] <danko123451> try it, try it[
[06:23] <limer> fejaor: pnp = plug n play
[06:24] <danko123451> how do you want to edit it???
[06:24] <fejaor> karnsten, does that affect to anything else in order of performance or any other problem?
[06:24] <karsten> fejaor: Could be your error message is pretty immaterial.  If nothing's broken, don't worry about it.  In general, LInux works better with BIOS PnP disabled.
[06:24] <fejaor> mmm ok
[06:24] <karsten> pixil9: If you install them it will.
[06:24] <fejaor> karsten, but does that affect my windows performance??
[06:25] <danko123451> pixil9: what do yoou want to edit?
[06:25] <karsten> pixil9: Get 'em from Malirat (modulo spelling).
[06:25] <dougsk> karsten, thanks for the typespeed tip
[06:25] <karsten> fejaor: I don't know or care.
[06:25] <fejaor> jajajajaja
[06:25] <fejaor> ok
[06:25] <karsten> fejaor: You may have to manually configure IRQs in windows.
[06:25] <pixil9> danko: It added a "Other" section and added Enemy Territory to it.
[06:25] <pixil9> I want it gone
[06:25] <fejaor> just wondering cause I have both OS
[06:25] <karsten> dougsk: NP.
[06:25] <karsten> dougsk: Careful in educational / kid environments.  The wordlist isn't entirely appropriate.
[06:26] <dougsk> karsten, will keep that in mind
[06:26] <karsten> dougsk: You can manually edit it, textfile.  Should probably file a bug on it.
[06:26] <dougsk> karsten, no worries at the moment it's for me!
[06:26] <karsten> dougsk: ;-)
[06:26] <danko123451> pixil9: http://ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor ?
[06:26] <karsten> dougsk: typespeed _may_ cause children ;-)
[06:26] <dougsk> karsten, heh heh
[06:28] <pixil9> danko123451, lol that's sweet. It doesn't show "other" though.. damnit
[06:28] <karsten> pixil9:  w3m /usr/share/doc/menu/html/index.html
[06:28] <limer> haha.  now I can't type gtypist b/c I don't know dvorak
[06:28] <limer> :P
[06:28] <karsten> pixil9: s/w3m/browser-of-your-choice/
[06:28] <limer> I am my own worst enemy
[06:28] <pixil9> ah thanks
[06:28] <karsten> limer: http://web.mit.edu/jcb/www/Dvorak/
[06:29] <danko123451> pixil9: thats the best I can do///
[06:29] <danko123451> ?pixil9: you got it
[06:29] <pixil9> i don't even have the menu directory
[06:29] <pixil9> heh
[06:29] <p0m> I thought all the application items were stored in /usr/share/applications
[06:29] <p0m> As .desktop files?
[06:30] <b0urn3> when i want to install a new iconset....do i need to unzip the tar.bz2?
[06:30] <karsten> limer: gtypist == ulteg;k
[06:30] <karsten> limer: ...in qwerty
[06:30] <limer> wow - you're crazy karsten
[06:30] <limer> :D
[06:30] <karsten> b0urn3: No.  tar xjvf foo.tar.bz
[06:30] <karsten> limer: I've got the layout online, could ref it ;-)
[06:31] <karsten> b0urn3: s/bz/bz2/
[06:31] <StR> I cannot install mono-develop in my ubuntu
[06:31] <StR> anyone has done this?
[06:31] <b0urn3> karsten:  to which directory?
[06:31] <karsten> b0urn3: The one you want it in.
[06:31] <Bachus9000> In a couple weeks (when finals are over, specifically) I intend to try installing Ubuntu onto my laptop.  I planned on using partimage to copy my current install on this pc and (hopefully) save myself a lot of time.  At least initially they'll be using the stock Hoary kernel, so that shouldn't pose a problem.   I'm dead!
[06:37] <daba> its a quote, I just readit
[06:37] <daba> its from 1984
[06:38] <daba> way back...
[06:38] <daba> :P
[06:38] <limer> good ol' Room 101
[06:38] <daba> were you saying I am goth?
[06:38] <limer> I like Animal Farm
[06:38] <daba> hah
[06:38] <daba> awesome
[06:39] <qweqw> what the hell
[06:39] <daba> I was at a goth night in some local club...they party pretty hard I can tell you...
[06:39] <qweqw> who is discussing me
[06:39] <limer> If you were really goth, you would be contemplating how much better you are than everyone else along with how dismal the world really is
[06:39] <daba> and the music is almost technoish
[06:39] <limer> I'm too drunk to care ;)
[06:39] <qweqw> man
[06:39] <daba> hehe, qweqw
[06:40] <linuxpoet> which package has php-config in it?
[06:40] <daba> he said he learned qwerty, so I said better learn that than to learn qweqw
[06:40] <farruinn> linuxpoet: search on packages.ubuntu.com
[06:40] <qweqw> ah, boring
[06:40] <qweqw> it's not even about me!
[06:40] <limer> daba: plz change your name again.    :P
[06:42] <danko123451> no? aww. sorry, limer
[06:42] <limer> ?
[06:42] <Rm_223> anyone here know if Ubuntu is compatible with a Lucent Mars "Winmodem"?
[06:42] <danko123451> did you have sex with them, jsgotangco?
[06:42] <qweqw> i'll check for you
[06:43] <Rm_223> TY
[06:43] <Zerboxx> Is there anything in linux that is similar to windows' "Startup"?
[06:43] <jordanau> danko123451, i sure haven't...
[06:43] <danko123451> jsgotangco: why I ask is, cause, how do you know they are girls.??
[06:43] <jordanau> Zerboxx, you mean like the starup folder?
[06:43] <danko123451> limer: you said it got you down
[06:43] <danko123451> why is my nickk 123451, I entered 123456
[06:44] <limer> it's ok.  qweqw is just joshin :P
[06:44] <Zerboxx> jordanau: Yeah, there are programs I'd like to start when I log in, such as gaim, and xhcat
[06:44] <limer> I had some woman help me install x on a slackware box via bitchx
[06:44] <qweqw> hey
[06:44] <qweqw> Rm_223,
[06:44] <jordanau> you can just save your gnome session on logout
[06:44] <danko123451> limer: I misread.:(
[06:44] <farruinn> Zerboxx: preferences>session
[06:44] <jsgotangco> danko123451, because I know them personally and seen some of them over here attending the conference
[06:44] <limer> she was pretty damn cool
[06:44] <qweqw> it looks like you'll have to jump through a few hoops to get that winmodem working
[06:45] <Rm_223> BIG hoops?
[06:45] <Zerboxx> farruinn: that's what I was looking for, thanks!
[06:45] <limer> I don't think many men, including ubuntu geeks have a prerequisite that their gf must use linux
[06:45] <qweqw> i dunno
[06:45] <danko123451> Zerboxx: preferences>session>startup apps tab
[06:45] <limer> does it really matter if she gives good head?
[06:45] <karsten> limer: My *cat* used linux.
[06:45] <qweqw> i think you might have to recompile the kernel
[06:45] <Zerboxx> jordanau: What does that do, just when I log in, it will bring it back the way I left it?
[06:45] <farruinn> wow, we're off topic tonight
[06:45] <Rm_223> still new to Linux
[06:45] <Rm_223> in general
[06:45] <danko123451> jsgotangco: how do you know theyre not T-girls?
[06:45] <Dreamer3> ok, where are the instructions to get java up and working?
[06:46] <qweqw> i was about to ask..
[06:46] <limer> karsten: my dog is a windows user
[06:46] <jordanau> yeah, some programs it doesnt work for, like firefox
[06:46] <StR> help?      I cannot install monodevelop
[06:46] <limer> but I love her
[06:46] <danko123451> Im just bugging you.
[06:46] <StR> anyone has installed it?
[06:46] <Rm_223> the prospect of recompling the kernel seems daunting
[06:46] <jordanau> Zerboxx, try danko123451 's advice though
[06:46] <qweqw> yeah, i'm sure much of it would be meaningless unless you know hardware well
[06:46] <Burgundavia> Rm_223, you shouldn't need to
[06:46] <danko123451> Dreamer3: http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[06:46] <karsten> limer: My dead cat can beat up your dog ;-)
[06:46] <pixil9> Dreamer3, apt-get install java-package .. get the linux binaries from http://java.sun.com and do make-jpkg <jrefile.bin>
[06:46] <pixil9> then dpkg -i jrefile.bin
[06:46] <Rm_223> shouldn't have to recompile?
[06:47] <qweqw> if ubuntu will load modules compiled for a different kernel, you won't have to
[06:47] <qweqw> or if a package already exists
[06:47] <limer> karsten: my cat keeps the dogs in line, so no doubt
[06:47] <limer> :P
[06:47] <qweqw> i didn't see anything like that, though
[06:47] <Dreamer3> danko123451: thanks
[06:47] <Zerboxx> Another question: I asked this last night, but I'll try again just to see if anyone can help this time.    Mine (15.5 y.o.) just died this January.  Still grieving.
[06:48] <karsten> limer: I had a hound cat ;-)
[06:48] <Zerboxx> p0m: Never heard of Gnome Keyboard Buttons, think that could help me out?
[06:49] <indigirl1> Rm_223: i don't use the modem on my toshiba. not much help
[06:49] <limer> I think I should be quiet about nodding from now on :D
[06:49] <farruinn> limer: I think you should try to stick to talking about ubuntu ;)
[06:49] <Rm_223> I wouldn't either indigirl1 but I'm sort of stuck with it right now
[06:49] <limer> you think too much
[06:49] <Rm_223> can't afford another right now
[06:49] <limer> the lone comment that wants to have some sort of authority.  you should talk to darko
[06:49] <Rm_223> plus if I decide I need to go mobile I'd rather not have to lug around more that I have to
[06:50] <indigirl1> Rm_223: i guess you know winmodems and linux are notorious enemies
[06:50] <p0m> Zerboxx: I don't think so, as I think that's what is modifying your master sound. Last I checked it was bound to change master by default.
[06:50] <danko123451> indigirl1: are you a girl?
[06:50] <Rm_223> Yes I do..very much so
[06:50] <indigirl1> danko123451: not really
[06:50] <Zerboxx> p0m: and I can't change that?
[06:50] <danko123451> ok, I just wanted to test jsgotangco'S  idea
[06:50] <Rm_223> But I've also been reading and hearing that a lot of work has been going into making them work together
[06:50] <p0m> I suppose you could use xev to find the keycode, and bind that keycode to some commandline mixer that could lower your headphone volume.
[06:50] <p0m> Zerboxx: Never tried, but I don't think so.
[06:51] <danko123451> limer: ???????
[06:51] <qweqw> ok..
[06:51] <indigirl1> Rm_223: what kind of work. do you know?
[06:51] <danko123451> 3:49:59) limer: the lone comment that wants to have some sort of authority.  you should talk to darko?>??
[06:51] <limer> farruinn may well have been the school bully that wanted your lunch money
[06:51] <qweqw> that's been going on for years, Rm_223
[06:51] <danko123451> is that a reference to me?
[06:51] <jsgotangco> danko123451, my last say on this topic is that a number of ubuntu developers are women and very smart at that thank you.
[06:51] <danko123451> jsgotangco: i AM  just fooling around.
[06:51] <Bachus9000> Speaking of laptops...I was playing around with a test Hoary install a few weeks ago (to see what troubles I'd run into when I installed it "for real").  CPU speed throttling worked out of the box, but my "fn" key did not.  This wouldn't be a big deal except fn+f1 and fn+f2 dim and brighten the screen respectively.  I'd kind of like that functionality. :)  I seem to remember it working in Gentoo and Knoppix before, so I know it's possible
[06:51] <Bachus9000> (or my memory is fuzzy.. :)).  Any ideas?
[06:51] <Rm_223> ah well
[06:51] <danko123451> I off course know there are plenty of girls in CS...
[06:51] <Rm_223> guess I hit another Wall
[06:51] <Rm_223> no wonder people stay with Windows
[06:52] <qweqw> well
[06:52] <Rm_223> thanks anyway
[06:52] <limer> karsten: sry to hear that
[06:52] <danko123451> in my dept. at Universtity there are plennty
[06:52] <qweqw> i got a site for you
[06:52] <qweqw> some drivers that may work
[06:52] <limer> karsten: but the cat lived quite a long time
[06:52] <indigirl1> Bachus9000: if its toshiba, i think there is a website with a download for function keys. try google
[06:52] <qweqw> ok
[06:52] <qweqw> do you know how to edit text files
[06:52] <danko123451> 3:49:59) limer: the lone comment that wants to have some sort of authority.  you should talk to darko
[06:52] <limer> no offense danko123451
[06:52] <danko123451> is that a reference to me?
[06:52] <Rm_223> sure do
[06:52] <limer> I thought you said something, but forgot what it was :P
[06:52] <Rm_223> treat them just like Word files
[06:52] <qweqw> how to get root access, all that
[06:52] <danko123451> that is funny.
[06:53] <danko123451> cool
[06:53] <qweqw> well, anyway
[06:53] <karsten> limer: He had a good life, was an awesome cat.  Kidney failure, ultimately.  Downhill a lot at the end, but not uncomfortable.  Spent most of his last couple of months asleep on my lap.
[06:53] <Rm_223> yes..have some idea how to get root access
[06:53] <StR> I'm trying to install monodevelop... but I get       libglib-cil unsatisfied.... how cna I fix that?
[06:53] <qweqw> damn.. what's the name of your text editor
[06:53] <danko123451> awww...stop it karsten...
[06:53] <Bachus9000> indigirl: Nope, Compaq.  Presario 2199US to be exact.  There's a guide for it somewhere, but it doesn't cover the "fn" key at all. :(
[06:53] <qweqw> sudo youreditor /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:53] <qweqw> type that
[06:53] <limer> karsten: my fav cat was run over.  only cat I ever saw that could take down adult jack rabbits
[06:53] <danko123451> thats a sad story...
[06:54] <pixil9> Anyone know the png that gnome uses for its main menu?
[06:54] <pixil9> I want the foot gone
[06:54] <qweqw> replace youreditor with .. the name of the program you want to execute
[06:54] <limer> fucking asshole doing 50 in a neighborhood
[06:54] <danko123451> haha, what are you doing to your GUI,..pixil9?
[06:54] <danko123451> yeah, that sucks...
[06:54] <pixil9> I just want to replace it with a blue ubuntu png
[06:54] <pixil9> the foot is ugly.
[06:54] <danko123451> at least it was just a cat...
[06:54] <limer> love thy gnome
[06:54] <pixil9> The main ubuntu menu is gnome-logo-transparent.png or whatever
[06:54] <pixil9> But i don't use that menu
[06:55] <Zerboxx> limer: There's this cat near where a buddy of mine lives, and it will cross the street when the "little guy" is walking, it's crazy
[06:55] <limer> I really like that lawn gnome that goes on vacation everywhere :D
[06:55] <limer> haha
[06:55] <karsten> limer: Wow, and :-(
[06:55] <danko123451> haha
[06:55] <danko123451> the one from Amelie?
[06:55] <p0m> pixil9: Just go to gnome-look and download one of the icon themes for "Ubuntu"
[06:55] <limer> then he fell in love with the mini statue of liberty
[06:55] <pixil9> nah I just need the filename
[06:55] <limer> hahaha
[06:55] <pixil9> Already have a theme.
[06:56] <limer> karsten: yeah, it sux but that's ok.  have a good cat now
[06:56] <danko123451> ooohh, arent you special with your theme:P
[06:56] <limer> he just loves the women too much ;)
[06:56] <Zerboxx> Is there any way to set keys to run programs not listed in System>Prefs>Keyboard Shortcuts?
[06:56] <danko123451> there is a gnome that travels the world in the movie Amelie...
[06:56] <limer> danko123451: that's pretty damn cool
[06:57] <limer> gnomes are like limes.  how can you dislike either?
[06:57] <danko123451> limer: did you see the movie?
[06:57] <limer> no, would like to though
[06:57] <qweqw> where do all the limes go
[06:58] <danko123451> haha
[06:58] <qweqw> they seem popular
[06:58] <limer> where's your ftp bro?
[06:58] <danko123451> ftp?
[06:58] <qweqw> but i've never seen a lime anywhere but the store
[06:58] <limer> ftp server
[06:58] <danko123451> which are you talking about, got me lost there.
[06:58] <limer> yes, and you know you instantly were drawn to it qweqw
[06:58] <limer> it's the nature of the lime after all
[06:58] <danko123451> right,
[06:58] <limer> if it's good enough for corona . . .
[06:58] <qweqw> welll, they are a pleasant green color
[06:59] <limer> see.  there you go
[06:59] <danko123451> 	haha
[06:59] <danko123451> if its good enough for a corona
[06:59] <qweqw> shaped nicely too
[06:59] <limer> very true
[06:59] <qweqw> i wouldn't insult a lime by putting it in corona
[06:59] <limer> my fav net girl is also named lime and we had this conversation
[06:59] <limer> who doesn't like limes?  they are green and ward off scurvy
[06:59] <limer> what's not to like?
[07:00] <qweqw> can't think of a thing
[07:00] <dazzed> you know a girl named lime?
[07:00] <limer> she goes by lime
[07:00] <limer> yeah
[07:00] <danko123451> must be really sweet, eh?
[07:00] <dazzed> thats tight...id just call her carona
[07:00] <limer> how she found me searching yahoo
[07:00] <limer> danko123451: haha.  ;)
[07:00] <limer> you bet
[07:00] <limer> too bad she's married
[07:00] <qweqw> wba
[07:00] <qweqw> wna
[07:00] <danko123451> you like the joke?
[07:00] <qweqw> i can't find backspace
[07:01] <danko123451> tell me, you seen amelie?
[07:01] <danko123451> the movie?
[07:01] <qweqw> who cares if she's married?
[07:01] <qweqw> that's half the fun
[07:01] <Bachus9000> Does anybody have any experience with samba and hostname resolution and a WINS server?
[07:01] <indigirl1> amalie is a great movie
[07:01] <limer> danko123451: I've never seen it
[07:01] <danko123451> Agreed,, indigirl1
[07:01] <dazzed> my best friends name is amalie
[07:01] <indigirl1> Bachus9000: i've given up on samba many times
[07:01] <danko123451> It was a winnner at some festival...
[07:01] <kevman> Does Ubuntu still support Warty? I'm having trouble getting packages.
[07:01] <qweqw> are you a real life female, indigirl1 ?
[07:01] <danko123451> best movie of the year...
[07:01] <indigirl1> Bachus9000: probably easier today
[07:01] <indigirl1> qweqw: i don't think so
[07:02] <dazzed> kevman: it should
[07:02] <pixil9> qweqw, Quit macking
[07:02] <qweqw> nah, probably a fat 40 year old mine
[07:02] <limer> qweqw: you need to come around town with me bro
[07:02] <qweqw> man, even
[07:02] <limer> ;)
[07:02] <qweqw> i'd be arrested
[07:02] <jsgotangco> kevman, Warty is supported 18 months after release
[07:02] <qweqw> that's why i stay inside
[07:02] <kevman> Ah, the package is being fetched from Backport... Backports must be down.
[07:02] <danko123451> limer: what about the ftp?
[07:02] <danko123451> yeah, it may be.
[07:02] <kevman> I'm getting 403 forbidden
[07:03] <jsgotangco> backports are evil
[07:03] <danko123451> limer: which ftp were you talking about?
[07:03] <kevman> I just drop them for now. I really need this package.
[07:03] <Bachus9000> indigirl1: Oh, I have samba working perfectly...except I can't connect to the server using the hostname unless I specify a WINS server in the config file.  I never had to do that in Gentoo and I don't like the idea of having to edit the file every time I move the computer to a different network. :)
[07:03] <farruinn> kevman: package do you need?
[07:03] <danko123451> should I scroll up, wassnt very apparent.
[07:03] <stuNNed> what is latest alsa in hoary?
[07:04] <zerokarmaleft> 1.0.8
[07:04] <stuNNed> zerokarmaleft: k thnx m8
[07:05] <pixil9> Are there any totem plugins for firefox?
[07:05] <pixil9> I want to remove mplayer but I like the plugin
[07:06] <qweqw> plugin how
[07:06] <qweqw> embedded video?
[07:06] <danko123451> likke....
[07:06] <pixil9> ya
[07:06] <qweqw> totem is a front-end
[07:06] <indigirl1> Bachus9000: wins can probably scan for a propagating server; look for a setting to do that
[07:06] <qweqw> but..
[07:06] <qweqw> i've only seen an mplayer plugin
[07:07] <farruinn> qweqw: front-end? I thought it was a "sub-system" or something like that
[07:07] <icebalm> hrmm, upgrade to breezy, should I do it? heheh
[07:07] <farruinn> as in back-end
[07:07] <dazzed> as in rear end :)
[07:07] <farruinn> n/m me, I was thinking gstreamer
[07:07] <ajmitch_>  ~.
[07:07] <Bachus9000> indigirl1: I have, but not too much. :)
[07:07] <qweqw> i thought it was xine modified for kde
[07:08] <danko123451> icebalm: only computer?
[07:08] <danko123451> you have more or only one?
[07:08] <icebalm> danko123451: more than one, but this is my main
[07:08] <danko123451> upgrade on one thats not...
[07:08] <danko123451> see how that works, I guess..
[07:08] <farruinn> there might be a gstreamer plugin for mozilla but I can't seem to search packages.ubuntu.com right now
[07:08] <danko123451> I think I am going to upgrade this one right now
[07:08] <icebalm> I don't run ubuntu on any others heh
[07:08] <indigirl1> qweqw: on my puter totem plays dvds better than mplayer and xine and ogle
[07:08] <pixil9> I like totem
[07:09] <qweqw> i know for a fact totem was a xine front end
[07:09] <pixil9> I can scroll through video way easier than mplayer
[07:09] <mosley> totem doesn't have xvid support
[07:09] <qweqw> for kde
[07:09] <qweqw> never used it, except to watch videos in konqueror
[07:09] <farruinn> qweqw: totem can use different back ends such as gstreamer or xine
[07:09] <pixil9> mosley: I watch xvids in totem.
[07:10] <indigirl1> in ubuntu i think gstreamer is the better choice
[07:10] <pixil9> You need libxvidcore
[07:10] <qweqw> a front end of xinelib, anyway
[07:10] <mosley> pixil9: please tell me how
[07:10] <mosley> it's a good app
[07:10] <farruinn> qweqw: right, all I know is there's a totem-xine package or something like that :)
[07:10] <mosley> but I can't watch what I want
[07:10] <Zerboxx> g'night everyone, have a good one
[07:10] <danko123451> haha, icebalm, fooled you...I am not gonna upgrade...
[07:10] <danko123451> ok...
[07:10] <qweqw> mplayer has always been enough for me, until i started using 64 bit distros
[07:11] <danko123451> you too, Zerboxx
[07:11] <icebalm> danko123451: that's ok, I am :D
[07:11] <qweqw> vlc is the second best
[07:11] <pixil9> mosley: Use the marillat repository and get libxvidcore
[07:11] <danko123451> I am jj...I will now too.
[07:11] <mosley> thanks, will do
[07:11] <indigirl1> i don't understand vlc
[07:11] <pixil9> mosley libxvidcore4
[07:11] <pixil9> vlc is garbage imo
[07:12] <qweqw> hmm.. maybe it always had that option, farruinn
[07:12] <qweqw> v.c
[07:12] <qweqw> er
[07:12] <qweqw> vlc works great
[07:12] <farruinn> vlc has worked well for me in the past
[07:12] <qweqw> doesn't play everything, but porn is available in plenty of formats
[07:13] <indigirl1> everything i want to uninstall it tells me ubuntu-desktop will be removed. i think that is supposed to be bad, but i want to do it anyway from frustration
[07:13] <icebalm> 259MB worth of packages, lol I'll let this go overnight
[07:13] <danko123451> i can feel this is gonna break my Linux.
[07:13] <danko123451> aha
[07:13] <danko123451> haha
[07:13] <qweqw> i've fucked linux up hundreds of times
[07:14] <indigirl1> icebalm: obviously not an important system...
[07:14] <danko123451> that was funny...there is nothing to upgrade...
[07:14] <farruinn> danko123451: you did a apt-get update first?
[07:14] <qweqw> the last time, i lost 200gb of mp3s
[07:14] <icebalm> I wonder if there's a #breakmyubuntu
[07:14] <danko123451> Im already done with my upgrade
[07:14] <danko123451> yuo, farruinn
[07:14] <danko123451> yup..that is.
[07:14] <indigirl1> qweqw: all illegal?
[07:14] <danko123451> I have an iBook, that is why maybe,.
[07:14] <qweqw> most of them
[07:15] <farruinn> icebalm, there's a breakmyubuntu wiki page
[07:15] <icebalm> farruinn: nice :D
[07:15] <pixil9> I removed marillat from my repositories.. Any idea why it's still listing them in synaptic? (I ran apt-get update)
[07:15] <danko123451> that is weird though, I expected more...
[07:15] <qweqw> there were a lot of 500kb/s ogg files from a a bunch of cds
[07:15] <icebalm> oh well, gonna let this update, almost half way done but I'm going to bed
[07:15] <qweqw> not even 100gb though
[07:16] <danko123451> yeah, all illegal...that is the way to go, my friends...
[07:16] <danko123451> haha
[07:16] <indigirl1> qweqw: 500kb is overkill
[07:16] <danko123451> ok, why am I on a row of stupid sentences here?
[07:16] <qweqw> not when the storage space is massive enough for it to be meaningless
[07:17] <indigirl1> qweqw: that could fit on one hd these days
[07:17] <qweqw> exactly
[07:17] <qweqw> actually, i only bothered to encode them because it was the default option on the ripping software
[07:18] <revelater> hey, how do i reset my dhcp connection?
[07:18] <danko123451> reboot
[07:18] <qweqw> after that, no more mp3s for me
[07:18] <danko123451> or an easy way
[07:18] <indigirl1> revelater: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0
[07:18] <revelater> without rebooting
[07:19] <danko123451> why is my sound muffled?
[07:20] <danko123451> it starts off fine, then gets muffled?
[07:20] <indigirl1> danko123451: my sound in ubuntu is strange too
[07:20] <danko123451> i mean, that is not a question
[07:20] <zaofreek> danko123451, try running alsamixer
[07:20] <danko123451> on my other comp it was fine...
[07:20] <zaofreek> in a terminal
[07:20] <zaofreek> set "3d contr" to 0
[07:20] <qweqw> sound is overrated
[07:20] <danko123451> I agree
[07:21] <qweqw> i disagree
[07:21] <Derreck> Me too.
[07:21] <danko123451> I dont even have it...
[07:21] <danko123451> I agree with both of you then...
[07:21] <indigirl1> oh, pcm set to 100 may have made audio bad
[07:22] <danko123451> I fixed it with that alsamixer
[07:22] <qweqw> guaranteed
[07:22] <danko123451> sweet.
[07:22] <qweqw> to make it sound like shit
[07:23] <qweqw> although, some people don't care how music sounds, as long as there is a recognizable beat
[07:23] <PHPWannabe> Is there a way to adjust the brightness for a monitor?
[07:23] <danko123451> awesome...
[07:23] <qweqw> there's no way else to explain the dumbasses with stereo systems that rattle the car
[07:23] <indigirl1> PHPWannabe: on the monitor controls
[07:24] <danko123451> zaofreek: I dont have a 3d volume thingy...
[07:24] <indigirl1> qweqw: that's for everyone *else*
[07:24] <indigirl1> danko123451: lower the pcm and master volumes
[07:24] <qweqw> i don't get it, indigirl1
[07:24] <qweqw> please elucidate
[07:24] <danko123451> and to which level should I go, do you think>?
[07:24] <indigirl1> qweqw: the subwoofer is not for the individual's enjoyment, but for everyone else to notice them
[07:24] <zaofreek> 70 is usually good
[07:25] <indigirl1> danko123451: 75
[07:25] <zaofreek> basically anything under 85
[07:25] <qweqw> ah, too true
[07:25] <qweqw> it's like the people who pretend to be talking to someone on their cell phone
[07:25] <undre6k> hello all
[07:25] <zaofreek> but i don't have any minutes...
[07:25] <danko123451> lets say 82, cause it pretty quiet
[07:25] <zaofreek> and i have to have some excuse for my driving
[07:25] <nadav> Is there a GUI program that does apt-get stuff for you?
[07:25] <danko123451> so all of them like that?
[07:26] <danko123451> I hgave bass, treble....
[07:26] <qweqw> synaptic, nadav
[07:26] <nadav> ahh, that's it.
[07:26] <danko123451> then PCM 82....
[07:26] <danko123451> my PC speaker is 00
[07:27] <indigirl1> my laptop touchpad is called synaptic too
[07:27] <indigirl1> who needs a pc speaker
[07:27] <zaofreek> pc speaker does nothing for me
[07:27] <zaofreek> oh, wait
[07:27] <zaofreek> i'm dumb
[07:27] <qweqw> how can you live without the beeps?
[07:27] <zaofreek> it annoys the hell out of me...
[07:27] <qweqw> i know i couldn't
[07:27] <danko123451> DRC range was it.
[07:28] <danko123451> thats the one that gives me sound
[07:28] <indigirl1> i don't know what drc is
[07:28] <zaofreek> who knows what that is...
[07:28] <danko123451> thats the one that gave me good sound
[07:28] <undre6k> I was browsin synaptic and I see          linux-686   Complete Linux kernel on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.  it is in the Base System (restricted).  If I installed this would it help me or hurt me? I have a p4 system
[07:28] <qweqw> zaofreek makes me think of a bot
[07:28] <qweqw> are you a  bot, zaofreek
[07:29] <zaofreek> no, hah
[07:29] <indigirl1> undre6k: piv is p4
[07:29] <zaofreek> i wish
[07:29] <danko123451> zaofreek: how do you turn alsamixer off then?
[07:29] <danko123451> ctrl+c?
[07:29] <danko123451> haha
[07:29] <zaofreek> just hit escape
[07:29] <danko123451> says righht on the top
[07:29] <indigirl1> undre6k: you won't notice a difference on a normal system, but probably has some compiler enhancements
[07:29] <undre6k> indigirl1 yeah but what does restricted mean?
[07:29] <qweqw> help you, probably undre6k
[07:29] <qweqw> your current kernel is i386?
[07:29] <undre6k> yeah
[07:30] <danko123451> hey, zaofreek,  thanks for making my sound work
[07:30] <zaofreek> you may have to type "sudo alsactl store 0"
[07:30] <qweqw> you'll get some optimization with the 686 kernel
[07:30] <danko123451> and indigirl1 2!
[07:30] <zaofreek> to keep those settings on reboot
[07:30] <zaofreek> but i'm not sure if that's required
[07:30] <farruinn> undre6k: means it includes stuff that can't be shipped under a "free" license
[07:30] <crimsun> zaofreek: it's not.
[07:30] <zaofreek> was that just a bug?
[07:30] <crimsun> mixer settings are stored on shutdown.
[07:30] <danko123451> we'll see when I reboot...
[07:30] <danko123451> or sooner with crimsun
[07:30] <obe1|2> in my xorg.conf generated by pkg config, it has the font path for a font-server unix:/7100, but xfs was not installed by default.. what is ubuntu's preferred method for truetype fonts? should i use xfs,xfstt,xfs-xtt or does xorg come with built-in freetype module?
[07:30] <undre6k> ok I see so the same goes for the modules too right?
[07:31] <qweqw> yes
[07:31] <undre6k> cool thks
[07:31] <danko123451> I am gonna listen to an audio book
[07:31] <danko123451> its awesome
[07:31] <indigirl1> danko123451: what book
[07:31] <qweqw> pretty miniscule amount of benefit, but i run gentoo on another computer
[07:31] <danko123451> pretty loud that alsamixer
[07:32] <daniels> obe1|2: um, the fonts are all client-side
[07:32] <danko123451> the 1984 book, I guess Ill start on listening to that.
[07:32] <indigirl1> danko123451: unix:7100 is local
[07:32] <undre6k> Oh one more ques:  is hyperthreading   symetric multiprocessing?
[07:32] <indigirl1> oops, daniels not danko
[07:33] <qweqw> not quite
[07:33] <danko123451> right
[07:33] <farruinn> undre6k: hyperthreading is something qutie different I think
[07:33] <TestDummy> Gaim is still being pesky =(
[07:33] <crimsun> undre6k: one can think of HT as a form of neutered SMP
[07:33] <qweqw> yep
[07:33] <farruinn> lol
[07:33] <qweqw> don't know if SMP is needed to support it
[07:34] <obe1|2> daniels: yea, unix:7100 is local. I am basically asking ubuntu's preferred method, like fc3 still uses xfs, but other distros use xorg builtin truetype features..
[07:34] <revelate1> is it ok not to have a firewall?
[07:34] <crimsun> yeah, SMP support is required to support HT
[07:34] <qweqw> yes
[07:34] <TestDummy> Anyone know why Gaim won't minimize into a tray icon even though I tell it to?
[07:34] <indigirl1> revelate1: not really
[07:34] <qweqw> make sure you don't run anything that opens a port to the internet
[07:34] <qweqw> lsof -i
[07:34] <qweqw> to check
[07:34] <revelate1> indifirl1: why not?
[07:34] <daniels> obe1|2: most apps you'll use (every gnome app, mozilla, firefox, epiphany, kde apps) use client-side fonts, instead of those server-side fonts
[07:35] <revelate1> indigirl1: g not f, sorry
[07:35] <daniels> obe1|2: but in any case, we don't install xfs by default, no.  but that's not the answer to your real question.
[07:35] <indigirl1> TestDummy: check that you have a system tray on the panel
[07:35] <crimsun> TestDummy: Tools>Preferences>Plugins
[07:35] <TestDummy> I know that
[07:35] <TestDummy> And have done that
[07:35] <TestDummy> Er... yeah there is one
[07:35] <TestDummy> But it won't listen
[07:35] <revelate1> indigirl1: i here it take min of a month to crack into a linux sys
[07:36] <obe1|2> daniels: i thought, FontPath unix/:7100, meant xorg got fonts from xfs?
[07:36] <undre6k> I got a celeron p4 so I aint touchin that SMP thing
[07:36] <crimsun> TestDummy: hmm, it works here.
[07:36] <qweqw> a firewall is pointless if you don't run any daemons
[07:36] <daniels> obe1|2: yes, but it can do other things too
[07:36] <indigirl1> revelate1: linux could be easier than windows. it just depends what is opened on the system
[07:36] <qweqw> or, if you do, that the ports are local
[07:36] <crimsun> TestDummy: I presume you've restarted Gaim to test?
[07:36] <danko123451> crimsun: I had the same thing as he too
[07:36] <TestDummy> crimsun: Numerous times
[07:37] <TestDummy> It still doesn't listen
[07:37] <revelate1> indigirl1: amule and bittornado....
[07:37] <TestDummy> Oh, it's 1.2.1, I just compiled it, but...
[07:37] <qweqw> a firewall is a waste of resources. if you want more security, set up an old machine to act as a gateway
[07:37] <obe1|2> daniels: thanks
[07:37] <TestDummy> The one that came with it did the same ting
[07:37] <TestDummy> thing*
[07:37] <jordanau> revelate1, you can try to hack mine IP  = <IP_ADDRESS>  Has that joke gotten old yet?
[07:37] <TestDummy> jordanau: Yes, it has.
[07:37] <TestDummy> :|
[07:37] <revelate1> lol
[07:37] <indigirl1> revelate1: some cable modems come with a firewall too
[07:38] <revelate1> indigirl1: thats what i disabled
[07:38] <jordanau> TestDummy, i always have to push a joke a little farther than it should go
[07:38] <revelate1> thats ok...
[07:38] <revelate1> everyone does that from time to time
[07:38] <indigirl1> revelate1: i keep firewall on the router, then open important ports (eg, 6000-7000 for bittorrent)
[07:39] <revelate1> indigirl1: i have a bad router, it crashes too easily
[07:39] <revelate1> so i set it to dmz
[07:39] <revelate1> on my comp
[07:39] <revelate1> demiliterized zone :)
[07:39] <jordanau> i have so many open ports on my computer it isnt funny
[07:39] <zerokarmaleft> i'm on hoary, and gnome-panel is crashing repeatedly...backtrace here - http://www.pastebin.com/277033
[07:39] <qweqw> the best thing to do is have an older machine that routes your connection to a hub or switch. that way you can run a firewall, http proxy, caching dns server, etc.. then your computers on the inside of the network will be entirely devoted to whatever task you decide
[07:39] <revelate1> can i crack your comp?????
[07:40] <jordanau> luckily, i have nothing of value on my comp either
[07:40] <indigirl1> revelate1: you're probably safe. i'm not smart enough to hack into a system through ip packets, but i guess some people are
[07:40] <revelater> indigirl1: that isn't very comforting....
[07:41] <revelater> indigirl1: are you really a girl??
[07:41] <indigirl1> Nalioth: use a hub
[07:41] <qweqw> no
[07:41] <indigirl1> revelater: i'm starting to think so
[07:41] <qweqw> it's an old man
[07:41] <revelater> lmao
[07:41] <revelater> LMAO
[07:42] <zaofreek> oh man...that is straight out of the "HOWTO Encourage Women in Linux" article...
[07:42] <danko123451> ebveryone asks the same questoin of indigirl1
[07:42] <crimsun> TestDummy: / danko123451: please check bugzilla, else file a bug
[07:42] <danko123451> i DONT mind it...
[07:42] <zaofreek> my question is, is it india, indiana, or just indie?
[07:42] <Nalioth> indigirl1, with a hub, i have to assign individual IP addresses, right? <sorry my brain is off at the moment>
[07:42] <danko123451> it came back to the sys tray
[07:42] <TestDummy> Well..
[07:42] <TestDummy> I checked where the plugin says it is
[07:42] <TestDummy> And it's there..
[07:42] <TestDummy> Odd.
[07:42] <revelater> Nalioth: i could do it for you if you, if you give me your ip adress *grins evily*
[07:42] <randabis> http://img245.echo.cx/img245/6215/trucksex7gn.gif
[07:43] <indigirl1> zaofreek: my dog's name is Indi. we bought her in Indianapolis, Indiana.
[07:43] <undre6k> im not trying to hit on you but linux girls are attractive
[07:43] <zaofreek> indigirl1, that makes sense then
[07:43] <undre6k> since linux is sexy
[07:43] <zaofreek> i actually go to school in fort wayne
[07:43] <Nalioth> djy'all read thata /. article today about the "elite hacker"?
[07:44] <undre6k> show us
[07:44] <danko123451> haha, randabis
[07:44] <revelater> that was both strange and disturbing
[07:44] <randabis> lol
[07:44] <danko123451> yeah, where is the article?
[07:44] <zaofreek> <IP_ADDRESS> is a difficult one to hack...
[07:45] <revelater> lol
[07:45] <randabis> lolz loopback
[07:45] <crimsun> sudo seems pretty effective ;)
[07:45] <revelater> i got into that system in like 1 second
[07:45] <jordanau> YES score one more for <IP_ADDRESS>!!!!
[07:45] <revelater> course, i knew the password...
[07:45] <revelater> lol
[07:45] <TestDummy> Odd..
[07:46] <qweqw> girls don't irc
[07:46] <TestDummy> This seems to happen to other things that have system tray icons too
[07:46] <TestDummy> qweqw: You sure?
[07:46] <jordanau> is there a way to hide all files except for /home from a user?
[07:46] <qweqw> positive
[07:46] <revelater> thats cause they aren't cool enough
[07:46] <zaofreek> hmm...it seems the original site that i saw that on is now down
[07:46] <jordanau> folders as well
[07:46] <zaofreek> although there's a google cache of it
[07:46] <danko123451> do you have a sys trqaay in your panel?
[07:46] <crimsun> TestDummy: and you're positive the systray applet is running? :)
[07:46] <qweqw> it's either the police, perverts or trolls
[07:46] <TestDummy> How would I check :|
[07:46] <revelater> up time is only 23 minutes... :(
[07:47] <zaofreek> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:SIuztravpJIJ:www.jellyslab.com/~bteo/hacker.htm&hl=en&client=firefox
[07:47] <crimsun> TestDummy: try to add a Notification Area applet to add to the panel
[07:47] <randabis> jordanau: I'd remove read priviledges from all folders except the user's home
[07:47] <thoreauputic> qweqw: there's a couple of people in #debian who'd be pretty upset with your assumption.. and a few here too ;)
[07:47] <TestDummy> crimsun: Somebody shoot me
[07:47] <TestDummy> That did the trick :D
[07:47] <jordanau> will read priviledges hide the actual folders?
[07:47] <crimsun> heh, I thought so ;)
[07:48] <revelater> i had 12 days and 20 hours before i had to restart, what about you guys?
[07:48] <zerokarmaleft> how do you clear the recently opened items list from CLI?
[07:48] <undre6k> err  i've installed the     Complete Linux kernel on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.  now I got i386 and i686 can I uninstall the 1386?
[07:48] <danko123451> awesome, TestDummy
[07:48] <indigirl1> jordanau: for folders that might be execute priviledges
[07:48] <zaofreek> 3...i had to disable onboard sound :-(
[07:48] <TestDummy> I've only got a few hours uptime on mine, but that's because I shut it off.
[07:48] <randabis> revelater: had one box run 180 days before it restarted due to a power outage :/
[07:48] <crimsun> undre6k: yes, but I always keep a known-good backup installed
[07:48] <qweqw> i won't be convinced until they send these supposed women to me for judgement
[07:48] <TestDummy> Oddly, I have higher Windows uptimes, but that's because I fell asleep on the couch and left i on
[07:49] <revelater> randabis: cool, i had to restart cause i couldn't download naruto :P
[07:49] <zaofreek> for a while, i had no swap
[07:49] <zaofreek> which meant periodic freezes
[07:49] <jordanau> okay good i will get to chmod, i don't want my family to be confused i am getting them ubuntu so i can remotely fix problems
[07:49] <p0m> randabis: One of my boxen is still sat here on 412 days.
[07:49] <revelater> randabis: after setting the DMZ i had to restart...
[07:49] <jordanau> randabis, thanks
[07:49] <p0m> And it was the only box that didn't go down in the power brownout ages ago.
[07:49] <revelater> p0m: 412?!?!?!
[07:50] <indigirl1> that's gross time
[07:50] <undre6k> crimsun  ok
[07:50] <qweqw> so.. what's the de-militarized zone have to do with a LAN
[07:50] <p0m> revelater: Yeah. It's a slackware box.
[07:51] <indigirl1> qweqw: opens a firewalled router to a single IP behind router
[07:51] <indigirl1> qweqw: useful to completely open a single puter to the outside world
[07:52] <qqnluaq> kubuntu: how does one change the display res?  it seems to be maxed at 1024
[07:52] <qweqw> weird
[07:52] <qweqw> never heard of that term
[07:52] <zerokarmaleft> is there even a way to clear Recent Documents from the command line?
[07:52] <ruth> momo1946
[07:52] <revelater> p0m, i am thinking of installing gentoo on a cheap little box and using it only for downloads, see how long i can keep it running :P
[07:52] <p0m> revelater:Heh.
[07:52] <qweqw> you'll be dead before it finishes compiling
[07:52] <revelater> p0m: with fluxbox gui of course
[07:52] <TestDummy> Wouldn't that take an eternity to compole..
[07:53] <revelater> lmao
[07:53] <TestDummy> Er.
[07:53] <indigirl1> gentoo is annoying
[07:53] <jordanau> qqnluaq, you need to edit your xorg.conf file
[07:53] <qqnluaq> did that. no joy.
[07:53] <revelater> yah, thats why i sed a cheap little comp, not my main one, so i don't have to worru anout that
[07:53] <revelater> worry about
[07:53] <jordanau> qqnluaq, so you added new resolutions and you cant change to them now?
[07:54] <qqnluaq> nope. unless theres a way in kde to change res im not seeing.
[07:54] <PD> jordanau, even my desktop is stuck with 600x400 res
[07:54] <PD> but the xor.conf file i have only set 1204X.. res
[07:54] <PD> I'm usinf Kubuntu too
[07:54] <p0m> PD: Did you change your config without restarting X?
[07:55] <PD> *using
[07:55] <PD> p0m, nope i restarted several times
[07:55] <CitizenKane> i am having a problem opening printing preferences, it tries and starts and just fails, i get an error message after awhile saying that the cups server isn't running, it seems to be running according to the system monitor, any ideas?
[07:55] <jordanau> qqnluaq, run xrandr -q
[07:55] <PD> X simply is not taking it
[07:55] <Fufachew> where i can find the ubuntu gnupg key used to sign MD5SUMS(MD5SUMS.gpg)?
[07:57] <CitizenKane> anyone?
[07:57] <danko123451> thats a funny story of the hacker...
[07:57] <danko123451> you thinkit is reeal?
[07:58] <zaofreek> it's plausible
[07:58] <lamont_r> Fufachew: ubuntu-keyring package has it, as do the keyservers
[07:58] <danko123451> so-so
[07:58] <undre6k> sorry if this sounds dumb but how do I get all the gnome 2 stuff to work  just install it?
[07:58] <danko123451> he did thesame attack several times
[07:59] <danko123451> supposedly
[07:59] <qqnluaq> jordanua, should i see the res's from xorg.conf when i run xrandr?
[07:59] <zaofreek> undre6k, what exactly do you mean?
[07:59] <crimsun> undre6k: if you installed Ubuntu, it already works
[07:59] <undre6k> its a fresh install
[07:59] <zaofreek> you should be able to boot the computer and log in...
[07:59] <undre6k> ok sorry for the newb question
[07:59] <crimsun> undre6k: are you using X-Chat at the moment?
[07:59] <undre6k> no gaim
[07:59] <jordanau> qqnluaq,   okay what is the number next to the 1024 (on the left side of it under SZ)
[07:59] <crimsun> undre6k: under Ubuntu, correct?
[07:59] <undre6k> yeah
[08:00] <Nalioth> indigirl1, so about that individual IP thang.. ..
[08:00] <crimsun> undre6k: then you're already using GNOME 2.10 :)
[08:00] <qqnluaq> 0
[08:00] <undre6k> oh ok
[08:00] <jordanau> is that the res you want?
[08:00] <revelater> that was a funny post...
[08:00] <Fufachew> lamont_r: thanks
[08:00] <revelater>  http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:SIuztravpJIJ:www.jellyslab.com/~bteo/hacker.htm&hl=en&client=firefox
[08:00] <qqnluaq> no, thats for 1024.
[08:00] <undre6k> how come those applets arent installed
[08:00] <jordanau> qqwhich do you want?
[08:00] <Nalioth> revelater, wasnt it tho? the evil hacker wins every time
[08:00] <TestDummy> I still don't get why they get near the end of the version and fall back to someting like x.10
[08:00] <CitizenKane> i am having a problem opening printing preferences, it tries and starts and just fails, i get an error message after awhile saying that the cups server isn't running, it seems to be running according to the system monitor, any ideas?
[08:00] <TestDummy> It doesn't make sense
[08:00] <crimsun> undre6k: which applet(s)?
[08:01] <qqnluaq> jordanau my monitor goes to 1280, and i added"1280x1024" to xorg.conf
[08:01] <revelater> Nalioth, i almost feel sad for the guy...
[08:01] <revelater> Nalioth, *almost
[08:01] <zaofreek> i was reading it 3 days before it was on slashdot!
[08:01] <zaofreek> er...
[08:01] <jordanau> is it visible under xrandr?
[08:01] <zaofreek> i think it was on digg.com
[08:01] <qqnluaq> nope
[08:01] <zaofreek> qqnluaq, are you sure your card can do that?
[08:01] <Nalioth> zaofreek, that is how some things work on /.
[08:01] <jordanau> have you restarted x since you changed the file?
[08:01] <danko123451> Nalioth: thatstory does not really sound right...
[08:01] <undre6k> sry im not sure I'm just browsing synaptic  looking for shit I want
[08:01] <qqnluaq> absolutely sure.used it with windows.
[08:01] <lamont_r> qqnluaq: what does ddcprobe say when run as root?
[08:02] <thoreauputic> CitizenKane: maybe try sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys  restart
[08:02] <Jarz> Hi, anyone know of a good guide to getting sound on a8n-sli to work. Have tried all the ones in the forums
[08:02] <zaofreek> i saw a thing on newsforge talking about google like search functions in kde
[08:02] <qqnluaq> lemme see
[08:02] <chet__> ubuntu is impressive
[08:02] <danko123451> I think the hacker is really tryiing hard there.
[08:02] <indigirl1> Nalioth: it should be even less complicated. dmz means no firewall. so disable firewall on router and every system will be "dmz"
[08:02] <crimsun> Jarz: cat /proc/asound/cards
[08:02] <jordanau> chet__, agreed
[08:02] <zaofreek> and they talked about the "upcoming 3.4 or 4.0 version"
[08:02] <Nalioth> it sounds great! i know peeps like that....armed with enough knowledge to be deadly .....to themselves
[08:02] <zaofreek> then i realized the date on the zdnet story was august 2004...
[08:02] <chet__> jordanau, i came from mepis, and liking it
[08:02] <PD> jordanau, its only reporting 640x480 on my desktop
[08:03] <Nalioth> indigirl1, with a 'stupid' hub i keep thinking individual IPs on every machine...
[08:03] <qqnluaq> lotsa stuff.. but 1280 is definitely in there.  maybe i need to spec the refresh, and/or colour depth
[08:03] <Jarz> 0 [CK804          ] : NFORCE - NVidia CK804
[08:03] <Jarz>                      NVidia CK804 with ALC850 at 0xd2103000, irq 23
[08:03] <jordanau> PD, so you want to change your resolution and you already edited your xorg.conf file right?
[08:03] <indigirl1> Nalioth: remind me of your setup
[08:03] <lamont_r> indigirl1: actually, dmz's are frequently found behind multiple firewals
[08:03] <Fangy> Folks, I just installed latest ubuntu. How do I mount ny windows drive to access it please?
[08:04] <jordanau> Fangy, begginers guide
[08:04] <crimsun> Jarz: please paste the output of ,,amixer'' (without commas/quotes) to http://pastebin.com
[08:04] <danko123451> Fangy: there is a guide...
[08:04] <PD> jordanau, ya i have only kept the option for 1024x in the xorg.conf file
[08:04] <danko123451> ubuntuguide.org
[08:04] <jordanau> PD you deleted the rest?
[08:04] <CitizenKane> thoreauputic: i got this message back, cupsd: Child exited with status 99!
[08:04] <Nalioth> indigirl1, multiple machines behind a cable modem then router. only one machine is now dmz'd
[08:04] <Fangy> jordany where please?
[08:04] <PD> jordanau, yes
[08:04] <jordanau> google
[08:04] <Fangy> ah
[08:04] <PD> jordanau, hehe :)
[08:04] <jordanau> Fangy, i forgot the link exaclty
[08:04] <danko123451> there Fangy, ubuntuguide.orf
[08:05] <danko123451> org
[08:05] <thoreauputic> CitizenKane: hmm... try pasting the error in google and see what pops up
[08:05] <CitizenKane> ok
[08:05] <Fangy> thanks danko123451
[08:05] <danko123451> you found it?
[08:05] <Fangy> Now for lots of reading
[08:05] <thoreauputic> CitizenKane: I've no idea what "status 99" might mean
[08:05] <Nalioth> indigirl1, thank you, i'll think on it tomorrow (gotten spoiled by the router)
[08:05] <jordanau> Fangy, its not that much just follow http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows step by step
[08:06] <Nalioth> indigirl1, and its been a long hard day of work
[08:06] <Jarz> done
[08:06] <indigirl1> Nalioth: check out port forwarding. good night
[08:06] <jordanau> PD, i am not going to say that was a bad idea but it might not have been the best
[08:06] <jordanau> and there he goes, well maybe it worked...
[08:07] <CitizenKane> thoreauputic: nor do i, printer preferences was working fine a few days ago
[08:07] <Fangy> jordanu thanks
[08:09] <crimsun> Jarz: are you using the analog line-out for speakers or the optical (spdif) out?
[08:10] <Jarz> I am using spdif but not optical
[08:10] <|QuaD-> how is a good way to see the gpg keys on my computer?
[08:11] <crimsun> Jarz: unmute and adjust surround, center, and LFE
[08:11] <revelater> how do i stop a hacker?
[08:11] <|QuaD-> revelater: lol
[08:11] <Jarz> I will try, but I get the pipleline error that a lot of people mention in the forums, should I go through oss
[08:11] <lamont_r> |QuaD-: generally speaking, gpg --list-keys
[08:11] <undre6k> register a gun
[08:11] <thoreauputic> revelater: give him beer and pizza ;)
[08:11] <revelater> besides giving him an ip adress of <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:11] <crimsun> Jarz: the unable to construct... stuff? pgrep esd
[08:11] <revelater> lol
[08:11] <|QuaD-> lamont_r: i am referring to the ones recieved from others
[08:12] <Jarz> exacly
[08:12] <Jarz> 7181
[08:12] <lamont_r> |QuaD-: well, if you imported them, then gpg --list-keys will show them... if you didn't then they're not there....
[08:12] <thoreauputic> revelater: I think you meant "cracker"
[08:12] <revelater> ok, how hard is it to hack into a linux system?
[08:12] <revelater> whatever
[08:12] <|QuaD-> lamont_r: ok thanks
[08:12] <crimsun> Jarz: and what sound are you attempting to use?
[08:12] <Jarz> alsa
[08:12] <crimsun> Jarz: sound application^
[08:13] <Jarz> whatever xmms or ubuntu def mp3 player
[08:13] <crimsun> Jarz: esd has already grabbed /dev/dsp, no other alsa app can access it.
[08:13] <Burgundavia> revelater, fairly difficult. Average uptime before an unprotected system gets rooted is about 3 months
[08:13] <Fangy> now i'm happy. Got all my firefix bookmarks from my windows drive. DOn't feel naked any more
[08:13] <zerokarmaleft> where is configuration for recently opened documents kept at?
[08:13] <Jarz> what is esd, ohhh the enli..... sound daemon, damn my stinking brain
[08:14] <crimsun> Jarz: you need to configure gstreamer-properties to use esd (and thus xmms needs to use esd), or you need to pkill esd, then configure all apps to use alsa directly
[08:14] <revelater> so if i restart my system every..month i should be fine?
[08:14] <Burgundavia> revelater, restarting your computer and security have nothing to do with each other
[08:14] <zerokarmaleft> configuration as in, a text file of the history of recently opened document via mime association
[08:14] <thoreauputic> revelater: umm... with a decent firewall and proper configuration, you won't need to
[08:14] <Jarz> okay I will try both, I would prefer alsa as this sh..... onboard sound probably needs all the help it can get. Thanks a lot for the fresh ideas
[08:15] <revelater> Burgundavia: what do you mean by the average uptime, from the begging of the attack or from starting up?
[08:15] <PD> revelater, the best way to start securing is not to keep weak passwords, I'v had my punishment for that
[08:15] <Burgundavia> revelater, average uptime to getting successfully attacked. Windows is about 3 minutes
[08:15] <revelater> thoreauputic: i don't like firewalls, they make life dificult
[08:15] <candrews> when i start powernowd, i get the following error: ncpus is not a multiple of threads_per_core!
[08:15] <candrews> anyone have a clue what that means? google is of no help
[08:15] <PD> revelater, no firewal no security
[08:16] <revelater> Burgundavia: i know that much... :P
[08:16] <thoreauputic> revelater: heh - not haveing one makes life even more difficult, if you run servers/services
[08:16] <revelater> nope, just a home computer
[08:16] <Fufachew> i found a way to stop crackers from getting into my computer: quit eating snack food around the CPU
[08:16] <revelater> that would fix teh problem
[08:17] <thoreauputic> revelater: have you tried Firestarter ? It's a decent front end for an iptables firewall
[08:17] <Choubaka> pegleg :)
[08:17] <Seveas> Fufachew, lol :)
[08:17] <revelater> i have a built in firewall in my modem
[08:18] <thoreauputic> revelater: so what's the problem? You need to use port forwarding or something like that?
[08:18] <Seveas> revelater, if you install no services on your Ubuntu machine, you don't really need a firewall
[08:18] <DJSelbeck> i have a problem with synaptic. if i want to install packages it starts downloading and if it is finished the normal mouse cursor turns into a cross and synaptic stops working
[08:19] <revelater> Seveas: what do you mean?
[08:19] <revelater> Seveas: wi nkow i currently do not have ssh running
[08:19] <Seveas> revelater, Ubuntu comes with no listening servers by default
[08:19] <DJSelbeck> if the mouse cursor is a cross i must doubleclick everything
[08:19] <Seveas> so if you don't install any, there is no hacking possibility
[08:19] <thoreauputic> revelater: by default, Ubuntu has no services running - thus nothing to crack, no open ports
[08:19] <Jarz> Crimsun THANK U !!!
[08:20] <Seveas> revelater, if you run sshd, you need strong passwords, not a firewall
[08:20] <crimsun> Jarz: np
[08:20] <Seveas> likewise for apache; you'll need a good config and safe cgi-bin or php files, no firewall
[08:20] <revelater> thoreauputic: ok, but what about having things like amule and bittornado?
[08:21] <Jarz> IT was the only thing left for this thing to run perfectly, apart from the fact that 64bit is really well supported yet. I am no newbie but I really got stuck here, probably because I am so used to doing things the alsa way
[08:21] <Seveas> revelater, they are supposed not to allow cracking
[08:21] <thoreauputic> revelater: just allow the ports you need
[08:21] <Seveas> but i have no experience with these
[08:21] <revelater> that is difficult
[08:21] <thoreauputic> revelater: what is difficult?
[08:21] <revelater> as bittornado needs MANY ports, and my firewall locks up at about 100 open ports
[08:21] <Fangy> Damn. I keep trying the examples in the guide and I keep getting "package not found"
[08:21] <Levander> Any word on whether Ubuntu is going to upgrade FF to 1.0.3, or is the backports project the only way to go to apt-get that update?
[08:22] <revelater> 1000
[08:22] <Levander> Fangy: you enable universe and multiverse?
[08:22] <Jarz> bittornado in the btmanycurses version can run with 10 ports open, that isn't "many"
[08:22] <Fangy> err, no. Being beginnerish, I didn't see a connection:(
[08:22] <crimsun> zerokarmaleft: from the command line?
[08:22] <Seveas> Levander, it will be updated in hoary
[08:22] <Fangy> okay, I will read some more:)
[08:23] <crimsun> zerokarmaleft: you can zero out ~/.recently-used
[08:23] <Levander> Fangy: there are prerequisites for every item in the guide.
[08:23] <Seveas> Levander, ff in hoary already has most 1.0.3 security fixes
[08:23] <undre6k> crimsun: mplayer will work right? :)
[08:23] <Levander> Fangy: enabling those two is one of the prerequisites
[08:23] <Levander> of whatever you're installing
[08:24] <Levander> Seveas: oh really? where'd you see that?
[08:24] <Fangy> okay, doing it know. not suprising how little I know or deduce:)
[08:24] <revelater> how do i stop irssi from displaying my ip address at exit
[08:24] <revelater> ?
[08:24] <zerokarmaleft> crimsun, i'll try that...went ahead and installed gnome-panel-dbg to get a more useful backtrace: http://www.pastebin.com/277039
[08:24] <Seveas> Levander, there have been numerous discussions about it already :)
[08:24] <crimsun> undre6k: will work with...?
[08:25] <Levander> Seveas: who did the patching? did ubuntu themselves do it? somebody from debian?
[08:25] <thoreauputic> revelater: umm... anyone can see you IP when you are on IRC
[08:25] <revelater> thats a problem...
[08:25] <Seveas> Levander, not sure, read the changelogs if you really want to knoe :)
[08:25] <undre6k> is that your repository?
[08:25] <Seveas> know*
[08:25] <thoreauputic> revelater: <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:25] <Levander> where do I find the changelogs?
[08:25] <thoreauputic> revelater: it isn't a problem at all
[08:25] <zerokarmaleft> crimsun, that did it...ty very much...i was digging through .gnome2 and .gconf :/
[08:26] <revelater> how hard would it be to hack me?
[08:26] <crimsun> Levander: /usr/share/doc/$package/changelog.Debian.gz
[08:26] <thoreauputic> revelater: aren't you being a bit pararanoid?
[08:26] <Levander> Fangy: and read *all* the prereqs! might learn something?? ;)
[08:26] <thoreauputic> *paranoid
[08:26] <Levander> crimsun: thanks, checking it now
[08:26] <revelater> i value my anime collection
[08:26] <crimsun> zerokarmaleft: np
[08:26] <revelater> :P
[08:26] <revelater> plus, i use this computer for business also
[08:27] <revelater> ...
[08:27] <xukun> I get this message after I run ap-get upgrade: "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[08:27] <xukun>   mozilla-firefox-gnome-support mozilla-firefox
[08:27] <xukun> Install these packages without verification [y/N] ?
[08:27] <xukun> "
[08:27] <revelater> that said, whats a good backup program?
[08:27] <thoreauputic> revelater: as a generalisation, Linux is pretty hard to crack
[08:27] <xukun> what can I do about this?
[08:28] <Mistiry> anyone available for help?
[08:28] <revelater> is there a good backup program i can apt-get?
[08:28] <thoreauputic> revelater: rsync is a good way to back up your data
[08:28] <thoreauputic> cli of course
[08:28] <revelater> hmmm, will look into that
[08:28] <revelater> i have to go now, thanks for the help
[08:28] <FeJaOr> does anybody know how to play or make a playlist in totem??
[08:29] <thoreauputic> revelater: there are any number of ways to back up in linux
[08:29] <Mistiry> ok, i am a real noob at linux. just installed ubuntu, and there is something weird at the bottom of the screen. like the monitor is messed up.
[08:30] <ficusplanet> FeJaOr, There is a button to save in the playlist window, and you can play one by going to Movie>>Open.  Totem isn't meant to be a music player, though.
[08:30] <MuStR> what's up
[08:31] <FeJaOr> ficusplanet, what's a good mp3 player then?
[08:31] <Mistiry> not alot here. hoping someone can help me.
[08:31] <p0m> Rythmbox does better at that.
[08:31] <ficusplanet> FeJaOr, I like muine.
[08:31] <p0m> Xmms as well.
[08:32] <MuStR> xmms is similar to winamp
[08:32] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad to play mp3 in rhythmbox
[08:32] <ficusplanet> If you want something like winamp/xmms, you might as well just use beep media player.  It's the same thing but with gtk2
[08:32] <g14> FeJaOr: Beep Media Player is based off of xmms and uses the gtk2 toolkit so it's much much prettier
[08:32] <MuStR> anyone know why my vids lag in Totem?
[08:33] <ficusplanet> MuStR, Install totem-xine
[08:33] <Janux> MuStR, but Winamp shows Unicode correctly, xmms doesn't
[08:33] <MuStR> Unicode?
[08:33] <MuStR> I'm a newb.
[08:33] <thoreauputic> Janux: it does here...
[08:33] <FeJaOr> g14, what is the name?...is it better than muine?
[08:33] <MuStR> xmms also doesn't have a Media Library option
[08:33] <MuStR> ...which is disappointing
[08:33] <Levander> g14: yeah, looks like you're right.  Apparently whoever maintains the ubuntu firefox package was installing patches against what was released in 1.0.2 to have some of the fixes that were in 1.0.3.  It's in the firefox package changelog.
[08:34] <ficusplanet> FeJaOr, It is different than Muine.  Muine makes a catalog of your music from the id3 tags.  Beep doesn't.  The package might be bmp.
[08:34] <Choubaka> Janux: Yes it does
[08:34] <thoreauputic> MuStR: if you want the library feature, use rhythmbox
[08:34] <g14> Levander: good, I'm not going crazy then
[08:34] <Choubaka> Janux: You just need to use a UTF-8 locale
[08:34] <ficusplanet> Nevermind, beep-media-player
[08:34] <Choubaka> yeah :P
[08:35] <FeJaOr> Im looking for something similar as Musicmatch
[08:35] <Choubaka> though bmp is rather unstable at times.
[08:35] <ficusplanet> FeJaOr, Give muine a shot.  It's got a really nice interface.
[08:35] <FeJaOr> that I can make playlists, rip cds, etc etc
[08:35] <Levander> g14, i was thinking about asking in the other channel, but didn't wanna start flame war.  I've read a couple of times, but don't know how widely believed, that because ubuntu has fewer supported packages than fedora, it ends up their being less bugs in fedora.  You've ever heard same thing?
[08:36] <Levander> fuck, here comes the flame, war, wrong channel...
[08:36] <Levander> gotta go guys...
[08:36] <Levander> oh wiat, no, i am in #ubuntu, don't have to leave, phew!
[08:36] <ficusplanet> FeJaOr, I don't know of a music player with a cd ripper in linux.  Unix design principles lean toward simple apps that do one thing well.  Muine will let you make/save/play playlists, though.
[08:36] <Choubaka> Levander: Haha.
[08:37] <Mistiry> anyone be able to help me with display problems?
[08:37] <Choubaka> Hmm, how many supported packages does Fedora have?
[08:37] <FeJaOr> ficusplanet, I'll give muine a try...thanks though
[08:37] <Seveas> Levander, lol, and you're partly right even
[08:37] <Seveas> ubuntu may have less officially supported packages, but the support is better :)
[08:37] <DmD> hi, i just installed Ubuntu and i'm trying to automount an NTFS filesystem so ic an access some mp3 files that i have on there, can anyone help?
[08:37] <Levander> Choubaka: don't know the exact number, but supposed to be more, that's what ubuntu got hit on for warty release, when they didn't have as much multimedia...
[08:37] <g14> Levander: Yeah there are some great little /. trolls in #fedora that love rtfm stfu and all of that intense l33t speak
[08:37] <Levander> Seveas: yeah, that's what I read
[08:37] <shad0w1e> how can I force apt-get to NOT ask for the cd, but to download files off the internet?
[08:38] <DmD> i downloaded the latest core, 5.04
[08:38] <Levander> Seveas: i like the trade-off for ubuntu
[08:38] <topyli> Levander, Choubaka: isn't fedora unsupported altogether?
[08:38] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: in rhythmbox, importing a CD will fire up Sound Juicer to rip it
[08:38] <danko123451> DmD: use ubuntuguide.org
[08:38] <ficusplanet> shad0w1e, Go to Settings>>Repositories in Synaptic.
[08:38] <Levander> shad0w1e: remove the cd from /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:38] <shad0w1e> ficusplanet: I'm telnetted into my friend's computer
[08:38] <Choubaka> topyli: hmmm, yeah.
[08:38] <shad0w1e> Levander... that i can do
[08:38] <danko123451> DmD: http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[08:38] <Levander> g14: but you've ever heard same thing?
[08:39] <ficusplanet> shad0w1e, Then edit his sources.list in /etc
[08:39] <Choubaka> No.
[08:39] <Choubaka> But Ubuntu's so good I can easily believe it.
[08:39] <DmD> danko:  thanx :)
[08:39] <shad0w1e> i dont see it in sources.list
[08:39] <ficusplanet> shad0w1e, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:39] <Choubaka> Though hmm
[08:39] <Levander> topyli: don't know what they would consider "support" that's why I'm asking about this comment i've seen a few times
[08:39] <DmD> anyone here live in Minnesota?
[08:39] <Choubaka> I still don't see text in Firefox's download plugin dialog :|
[08:39] <shad0w1e> oh wait i got it
[08:40] <shad0w1e> first line
[08:40] <shad0w1e> thans
[08:40] <MuStR> another newb question: is there any way I can view folders that start with periods using nautilus? I ssh'd into my comp and saw them, and want to get some files out of the folders, but I really don't know how to
[08:40] <ficusplanet> shad0w1e, np
[08:40] <Levander> shad0w1e: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[08:40] <danko123451> DmD: yw
[08:40] <ficusplanet> MuStR, View->Show Hidden Files
[08:40] <thoreauputic> MuStR: hit ctrl-H
[08:40] <FeJaOr> kind of a question.....what is the difference between all the types of Linux OS?? What does it ubuntu better or worse?? How come some of the Linux OS are not free?? I thought Linux was a free OS
[08:40] <Seveas> MuStR, files and folders that start with a . are the so called 'hidden files'
[08:40] <g14> Levander: ubuntu having fewer supported packages than fedora leads to fedora having less bugs? I can't say I've ever heard that
[08:40] <shad0w1e> Beautiful, people - its working GREAT!
[08:40] <dell500> how might you test the 3d acceleration?
[08:41] <Seveas> FeJaOr, the difference is they way all things are integrated and made consistent
[08:41] <crimsun> FeJaOr: to be precise, Linux is a kernel, and there are various distributions of free software built around the kernel.
[08:41] <ficusplanet> dell500, Run glxgears
[08:41] <shad0w1e> dell500: type glxinfo |grep direct
[08:41] <MuStR> beautiful.
[08:41] <Seveas> FeJaOr, and the beauty about Ubuntu is that it is integrated good
[08:41] <MuStR> Thanks, ficusplanet ant thoreaputic.
[08:41] <Levander> g14: here's only place I've seen it in an official article: http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8964
[08:41] <Seveas> (and that there is nice hardware support)
[08:41] <ficusplanet> MuStR, np
[08:41] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: Free as in Freedom, not price necessarily
[08:41] <dell500> runnin pretty good
[08:41] <MuStR> also ficusplanet thanks for the Totem help
[08:41] <MuStR> it worked.
[08:41] <ficusplanet> Great.
[08:41] <FeJaOr> Seveas, in what way??
[08:41] <g14> Levander: I LOVE osnews. I check that site about 3 times/day
[08:41] <crimsun> FeJaOr: some distributions include non-free software by default; some include commercial software in their commercial packages; all, however, include access to source for their modifications to truly free software.
[08:42] <shad0w1e> you dont really get such a good idea from the gears, always.... if you're getting over 1000 fps, you're getting 3d, but my other method always works..
[08:42] <dell500> shad0w1e, what does this all mean??
[08:42] <shad0w1e> basically you type in glxinfo
[08:42] <DmD> i'm not sure if my sound works, i don't know if it detected my soundcard during set up...
[08:42] <shad0w1e> dell500: it tells you all this crap about your video
[08:42] <Seveas> FeJaOr, the selection of pacakages, the stability of the whole etc...
[08:42] <dell500> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[08:42] <dell500> direct rendering: No
[08:42] <dell500> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[08:42] <crimsun> DmD: cat /proc/asound/cards
[08:42] <shad0w1e> dell500: if you type it in with | grep direct
[08:42] <dell500> that's what i got
[08:42] <DmD> alright
[08:42] <DmD> i'm installing java atm
[08:43] <DmD> ;)
[08:43] <ficusplanet> DmD, Go to the volume control and see if you have anything under file>>device.
[08:43] <shad0w1e> dell500: it only picks out the lines that have "direct" in them
[08:43] <FeJaOr> Seveas, so you're basically telling me that Ubuntu is the most stable Linux OS??
[08:43] <shad0w1e> there you go, direct rendering: no
[08:43] <shad0w1e> that means no 3d
[08:43] <dell500> well i just changed the /etc/X11/conf
[08:43] <crimsun> shad0w1e: (no hardware-accelerated 3d)
[08:43] <dell500> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:43] <Seveas> FeJaOr, another important point is the number of security updates and how quick they are used
[08:44] <Seveas> (Ubuntu is fast with that)
[08:44] <dell500> from drive "ati" to driver "fglrx"
[08:44] <Seveas> FeJaOr, i wouldn't know, i did not try them all
[08:44] <dell500> how do you update again?? with synaptic or something
[08:44] <Seveas> FeJaOr, but it is the most stable of all i tested (debian, RH, suse, FC,slackware, gentoo)
[08:45] <danko123451> update what>
[08:45] <FeJaOr> is there any way in ubuntu to get to a restore point?? I mean, just in case you screw some installation
[08:45] <dell500> just packages and stuff
[08:45] <Seveas> FeJaOr, you can always undo installations
[08:45] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: well, something like Debian Woody is more stable, but the software is old - also enterprise distros are more stable of course
[08:45] <danko123451> apt-get update&&apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:45] <dell500> such as apt-get upgrade
[08:45] <DmD> alright java is working and my soundcard was detected ;d
[08:45] <p0m> dell500: Did you run the fgrlxconfig program before restarting xorg?
[08:46] <dell500> p0m, nope
[08:46] <Brioche> hello
[08:46] <dell500> i just did what it says on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:46] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: you need to think differently: restore points etc are windowsisms
[08:46] <FeJaOr> Seveas, how?? I mean what if i downloaded a program from a web and wanted to uninstall??
[08:46] <p0m> dell500: That would probably explain why you don't have 3d accelleration enabled.
[08:46] <Brioche> I've encontred a big problem when bootin with liveCD..
[08:46] <Brioche> Error 21 !
[08:46] <dell500> ya
[08:47] <danko123451> wow, not 21?
[08:47] <p0m> You can't just expect 3d drivers to work off the bat.
[08:47] <danko123451> :)P
[08:47] <dell500> i'm going through a howto on enabling it
[08:47] <Brioche> is there someone to tell me what is it ?
[08:47] <dell500> once it's enabled, getting 3d apps (such as getting games ie counter-strike) to work is easy right?
[08:47] <FeJaOr> thoreauputic, that's because Im more familiar with windows terms...but Im spending a lot of time on Ubuntu on learning the language and how this works
[08:47] <Brioche> danko123451: ?
[08:47] <danko123451> lets see, no.21....
[08:47] <dell500> p0m, well i want them to :)
[08:47] <rixth> Does Ubuntu use X.org of XFree86?
[08:47] <FeJaOr> thoreauputic, but still having a lot of problems with programs, installations, concepts and all the new stuff
[08:47] <p0m> dell500: Which drivers are you trying to set up, ATI or fglrx?
[08:48] <Seveas> rixth, ubuntu 5.04 uses x.org
[08:48] <rixth> or Xfreee86*
[08:48] <danko123451> Does anyone know what error 21 is with the innstall CD?
[08:48] <p0m> rixth: Latest uses xorg.
[08:48] <dell500> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3567&highlight=ATI+9600xt+3d+acceleration
[08:48] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: That's good :) to uninstall, just do sudo apt-get remove <package> , or use synaptic
[08:48] <Seveas> 4.10 uses xfree
[08:48] <dell500> fglrx
[08:48] <rixth> Seveas, thanks. I'm moving over from Debian.
[08:48] <FeJaOr> thoreauputic, lets say is a program downloaded from internet .... and can't use synaptica
[08:48] <FeJaOr> thoreauputic, and the way I installed is ./
[08:49] <Brioche> (sorry for my bad english..)
[08:49] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: unless it has an uninstall script, you delete the files
[08:49] <danko123451> No worries.
[08:49] <shad0w1e> dell500: what kind of motherboard u using?
[08:49] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: if you compiled it, you can sometimes do "make uninstall"
[08:49] <FeJaOr> thoreauputic, but there's an icon on the applications -> system tools and can't get rid of that
[08:49] <dell500> shad0w1e, A7N8X-E Deluxe, 2700+ i think
[08:49] <shad0w1e> I have a SiS chipset, i had to add this thing into xorg.conf for it to work...
[08:49] <FeJaOr> :O
[08:50] <dell500> i wanna try and get Counter-strike source to work through steam :)
[08:50] <dell500> long shot, but i hate windows :)
[08:50] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: ah, yes, the menu editing issue...
[08:50] <danko123451> 1: Does anyone know what error 21 is with the liveUbuntu CD?
[08:50] <shad0w1e> dell500: you using hoary or warty
[08:50] <dell500> hoary
[08:50] <FeJaOr> thoreauputic, is kind of annoying that
[08:50] <shad0w1e> did you INSTALL fglrx?
[08:51] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: generally it's best to use the package manager - that way the menus get changed
[08:51] <Brioche> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17529
[08:51] <dell500> i just did what it said on wiki
[08:51] <dell500> its installed i think
[08:51] <dell500> just not setup
[08:51] <p0m> dell500: If you run the fglrxconfig program, it's much the same as XF86cfg, all it does is ask you some simple questions, generate a config, and then you have to just restart X :)
[08:51] <shad0w1e> you dont need to use their setup
[08:51] <FeJaOr> thoreauputic, in this case, the package was not on the package manager (synaptic)
[08:51] <shad0w1e> you can modify xorg.conf just as well
[08:51] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: there is a menu editor available - but it's a gnome issue, not an ubuntu issue
[08:51] <danko123451> whats the program again?
[08:51] <shad0w1e> fglrxconfig ?
[08:51] <FeJaOr> thoreauputic, where??
[08:51] <shad0w1e> it writes an XF86Config-4 file
[08:52] <shad0w1e> if you rename it to xorg.conf
[08:52] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: which package did you install?
[08:52] <danko123451> FeJaOr: which program agan?
[08:52] <shad0w1e> (of course back up the original file)
[08:52] <shad0w1e> idk getting ati cards to work on linux is like getting a dog to talk
[08:52] <danko123451> FeJaOr: http://ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor
[08:53] <dell500> shad0w1e, i'm this far, fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[08:53] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21390&highlight=menu+editor+hoary
[08:53] <dell500> doesn't really do anything though
[08:53] <thoreauputic> menu editor^^
[08:53] <Zerboxx> Is there an "alarm" program that comes with (or available) with Ubuntu, to start up a program or start a playlist at a given time?
[08:53] <FeJaOr> thoreauputic, it was the latest software/driver for my HP PSC 1210
[08:53] <robitaille> danko123451,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuLiveCDError21 seems to show a way around error 21.  But I have never tried it myself
[08:54] <p0m> shad0w1e: I can get my 9550 to work fine under linux, the config program works perfectly.
[08:55] <dell500> so what shall i do?
[08:55] <dell500> run fglrxconfig?
[08:55] <danko123451> there, Brioche:
[08:55] <thoreauputic> Zerboxx: there's an xmms alarm plugin
[08:55] <danko123451> Brioche: (01:53:41) robitaille: danko123451,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuLiveCDError21 seems to show a way around error 21.  But I have never tried it myself
[08:55] <FeJaOr> danko123451, I tried that but it always tells me that I don't have enough privileges to do that
[08:55] <Blue-Omega> i'm not able to mount lg GCE-8525B drive during installtion of Ubuntu 4.10 anybody can help me?
[08:55] <FeJaOr> danko123451, I mean, to erase an icon
[08:55] <Brioche> thx danko123451
[08:55] <ficusplanet> Zerboxx, There's also a muine alarm clock plugin.
[08:55] <shad0w1e> dell500: i never did that
[08:55] <danko123451> yw
[08:56] <Brioche> see you soon...
[08:56] <danko123451> FeJaOr: I dont know, it worked fine for me
[08:56] <Brioche> good bye
[08:56] <danko123451> bybye
[08:56] <Brioche> thx a lot
[08:56] <shad0w1e> i got MINE working
[08:56] <Brioche> I will try
[08:56] <shad0w1e> but it needed an extra line
[08:56] <danko123451> yup,hopefully it works
[08:56] <FeJaOr> danko123451, never mind...is working
[08:56] <danko123451> right
[08:56] <danko123451> :P
[08:56] <Frail> hey guys, i'm a newbie... could someone tell me how to install a .gz file?
[08:56] <Frail> or point me somewhere that tells me how
[08:57] <danko123451> I think, being 2am CST, that it is time for me to retire into my sleeping mode...
[08:57] <FeJaOr> danko123451, I read on the forum that they have a newer version....how can I upgrade it?
[08:57] <danko123451> not sure, FeJaOr
[08:57] <Zerboxx> ficusplanet: what is muine, seems big for an alarm (47mb)
[08:57] <danko123451> Frail: DOUBLE CLICK
[08:57] <shad0w1e>    In the Section "Device", ADD:
[08:57] <shad0w1e>       Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
[08:57] <ficusplanet> Zerboxx, It is a music player.
[08:57] <danko123451> sorry about the caps
[08:57] <|QuaD-> Zerboxx: audio player
[08:57] <shad0w1e> I had to do that to get it working, dont know why
[08:57] <|QuaD-> Zerboxx: never gotten it to work with ubuntu
[08:57] <dell500> shad0w1e, : Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no" ??
[08:57] <dell500> lol, w00t
[08:57] <Zerboxx> ficusplanet: Oh, makes sense then, thanks
[08:57] <shad0w1e> its a "troubleshooting" thing if it wont work without it
[08:58] <Zerboxx> |QuaD-: Thanks :)
[08:58] <danko123451> muine>?
[08:58] <shad0w1e> all i know is i installed an nvidia the other day and it went smooth sailing
[08:58] <danko123451> someonewas talking about getting it to work right here earlier
[08:58] <Frail> ok danko... it brings me to the folder the program it's in
[08:58] <ficusplanet> http://muine.gooeylinux.org/
[08:58] <Frail> how do i install the program from there?
[08:58] <danko123451> get the program out of the folder
[08:58] <danko123451> just drag and drop
[08:59] <p0m> shad0w1e: Strangely enough, mine doesn't work without it :)
[08:59] <danko123451> whats the extension of the file?
[08:59] <dell500> brb
[08:59] <Frail> which one? there's several
[08:59] <danko123451> Frail: whats the extension?
[08:59] <danko123451> not sure
[08:59] <danko123451> one of them, I guess.
[08:59] <Frail> I'm trying to install Muine
[09:00] <danko123451> is there a make file?
[09:00] <shad0w1e> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-21292.html
[09:00] <danko123451> just named make
[09:00] <Frail> yes there is
[09:00] <danko123451> cool
[09:00] <shad0w1e> p0m - what do you mean?
[09:00] <danko123451> then you need to get all files from that archive into a folder...
[09:00] <danko123451> an empty one for example
[09:00] <danko123451> then you $make
[09:00] <danko123451> $make install
[09:00] <danko123451> $install
[09:01] <shad0w1e> I had to add that line to get MINE working and I'm using a SiS motherboard
[09:01] <danko123451> after one is done, do the other
[09:01] <Frail> what's the default programs folder for Ubuntu?
[09:01] <p0m> shad0w1e: As in my card needs agpart to work.
[09:01] <dell500> is there an easier way of reboot through KDE, besides loging out and then rebooting??
[09:01] <shad0w1e> I also switched to the K7 kernel, although I dont know if that was necessary, .... probably not
[09:01] <danko123451> you can put it in opt/muine
[09:01] <FeJaOr> danko123451, how can I get the newest version of gaim?? I can't find it in synaptic
[09:01] <p0m> shad0w1e: Weird, I'm using a SiS based motherboard, and it doesn't work for it.
[09:01] <danko123451> or something, dont really matter...
[09:01] <FeJaOr> danko123451, and it marks me that there's a new version
[09:01] <shad0w1e> p0m ... what can I say?
[09:02] <Riddell> dell500: if you log in using kdm you can reboot from the logout screen
[09:02] <MuStR> FeJaOr: you can get the new version from http://gaim.sourceforge.net/
[09:02] <danko123451> its gonna get installed corferctly afterr you make, and install it
[09:02] <shad0w1e> CONTROL+ALT+BACKSPACE restarts X
[09:02] <MuStR> There are Ubuntu installation instructions there as well.
[09:02] <shad0w1e> ok im out, good luck dell dde.
[09:02] <danko123451> FeJaOr: where does it mark you that there is a new Gaim available?
[09:02] <p0m> Actually, I ctrl-alt-backspace'd on my box the other day, it didn't kill x, it killed the box :(
[09:03] <shad0w1e> p0m: are you using the windows version of linxu?
[09:03] <shad0w1e> lol
[09:03] <shad0w1e> everytihng is backwards for yoy
[09:03] <danko123451> windows version of Linux...gotta remembber that one
[09:03] <MuStR> danko123451: there latest version of Gaim is much newer than the one provided in the Ubuntu repository.
[09:03] <FeJaOr> danko123451, once I start Gaim
[09:03] <danko123451> reallyh
[09:03] <danko123451> Mine doesnt
[09:03] <MuStR> Yap.
[09:03] <danko123451> not sure what to tell you...
[09:04] <MuStR> Do you have auto-check turned on?
[09:04] <danko123451> probably not...
[09:04] <MuStR> Well, I just went to gaim.sourceforge.net and installed the latest version
[09:04] <danko123451> it works fine, though...
[09:04] <danko123451> Yeah, thats a good place for Gaim.
[09:04] <p0m> There's not benefit to updating Gaim from the base install.
[09:04] <MuStR> Unfortunately, I can't get the gaim-encryption to compile properly
[09:04] <MuStR> Sure there is.
[09:04] <p0m> I think there might be Gaim updates on security.ubuntu.com
[09:04] <MuStR> I was having a problem with one of the plugins
[09:05] <DmD> hi, i just tried to mount the Windows file system and i went through the steps in the Unbuntu Guide, but I get this error at the end "dmd is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported."
[09:05] <p0m> Aka, the updates repository.
[09:05] <danko123451> hehe
[09:05] <danko123451> awesome
[09:05] <danko123451> which try, dmd?
[09:05] <MuStR> brb
[09:05] <DmD> i restarted my machine to see if the mount work but i see the folder and i don't se the files in there
[09:05] <danko123451> which one, for the manual, or auto install?>
[09:05] <p0m> DmD: Might help if you could sudo. Are you using the first user you created on the system?
[09:05] <danko123451> so, the auto one then?
[09:06] <DmD> yes
[09:06] <DmD> # How to mount Windows partitions (NTFS) on boot-up, and allow all users to read only?
[09:06] <danko123451> ntfs?
[09:06] <danko123451> ok
[09:06] <DmD> that's the one i went thourgh
[09:06] <FeJaOr> danko123451, what is the difference on the packages when it says rpm??
[09:06] <danko123451> yeah, your user does not have the sudo...
[09:06] <FeJaOr> MuStR, hey, which one is the right one??
[09:06] <danko123451> FeJaOr: it is a whats it called...
[09:06] <danko123451> redhat
[09:06] <danko123451> package
[09:06] <danko123451> manager file
[09:06] <thoreauputic> DmD: if you aren't in the sudoers file, you must be running under a different account ( not the default user)
[09:07] <FeJaOr> danko123451, what you mean?
[09:07] <dell500> crap, now my desktop is all wierd
[09:07] <danko123451> what you do with those is described here: http://ubuntuguide.org/#convertrpmtodebfile
[09:07] <DmD> i went to System > Admin > Users and Groups and i get another error msg "Failed to run users-admin - Child terminated with 1 status"
[09:07] <dell500> the screen moves when i move the curser up and down
[09:07] <danko123451> it is not a debian file, it was meant to use on a redhat linux.
[09:07] <DmD> not sure why i got that msg..
[09:08] <danko123451> yeah, your user neeeds to be added to the sudoers list
[09:08] <joachim351> hello, I think I finally found the distro that I am comfortable with. I went through suse, fedora and now ubuntu thanks to all the people who put time and energy into making a distro that works well.
[09:08] <DmD> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[09:08] <FeJaOr> MuStR, hey, which one is the right one??
[09:08] <DmD> that's the cmd i typed
[09:08] <DmD> i've done sudo before to install xmms and it worked
[09:08] <goli> how does one test if esd/alsa/oss has been configured correctly...when i test using  multimedia system selector...i get "testing ...click okay to finish"  or  "Failed to construct test pipeline"....and total silence
[09:09] <danko123451> DmD: http://ubuntuguide.org/#allowmoresudoers
[09:09] <danko123451> add yourf userf to the suudoers list
[09:09] <crimsun> goli: which do you get?
[09:09] <DmD> alright thanks
[09:09] <DmD> what about that error msg?
[09:09] <MuStR> FeJaOr: give me one second.
[09:10] <thoreauputic> DmD: you need sudo/admin privileges to run that
[09:10] <thoreauputic> DmD: hence error I'd say
[09:10] <danko123451> same thing likely, dmd
[09:10] <FeJaOr> MuStR, sure
[09:10] <DmD> alright
[09:10] <danko123451> right thoreauputic?
[09:10] <goli> crimsun, "testing ...click okay to finish" for esd ,,,, and "Failed to construct test pipeline" for alsa and oss
[09:10] <DmD> sudo export EDITOR=gedit && sudo visudo
[09:10] <DmD> dmd is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[09:10] <danko123451> same thing, just add himself to sudoers??
[09:10] <danko123451> then hell be able to open the network prefs...
[09:10] <danko123451> or whatever he was trying to do
[09:10] <crimsun> goli: that's correct.
[09:11] <danko123451> users-admin...yeah, dmd, that is why you got the error...
[09:11] <crimsun> goli: the default configuration uses esound (esd), which means that /dev/dsp has been grabbed already, so neither alsasink nor osssink will work
[09:11] <danko123451> you are not allowed to open that program, you are not a sudoer
[09:11] <Frail> ok i'm lost
[09:11] <thoreauputic> DmD: you might need to use the recovery option on reboot to get access to sudoers
[09:11] <danko123451> like all of us cool guys at #ubuntu, if I may say...
[09:11] <DmD> oh ok
[09:11] <goli> crimsun, i am using an acer travel mate with hot-key for mute/increase volume/decrease volume...the speaker icon on the panel responds correctly...but i cannot hear anything
[09:11] <danko123451> so, add yourself to thee list...
[09:11] <danko123451> lol
[09:11] <rixth> If Wine installs something to the 'C:' drive. Where does it ACTUALLY go?
[09:11] <danko123451> anyhow
[09:11] <danko123451> Frail: wassup?
[09:12] <bob2> rixth: look under ~/.wine/
[09:12] <Frail> Can't figure this out
[09:12] <Frail> heh
[09:12] <crimsun> goli: so your issue is that you can't hear anything? Please paste the output of ,,amixer'' onto http://pastebin.com
[09:12] <geneo91> rixth:  in home dir
[09:12] <MuStR> FeJaOr: there is a very easy way. First, go here: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gaim/gaim-1.2.1.x86.package?download and download the package file. Once that is done, visit http://autopackage.org/docs/howto-install/index.html for instructions on how to install gaim.
[09:12] <zaofreek> rixth, usually in .wine/fake_windows/drive_c
[09:12] <zaofreek> or similar
[09:12] <rixth> Thanks
[09:12] <danko123451> thaks
[09:12] <goli> crimsun, thanks for helping...give me a sec
[09:13] <DmD> alright brb, i'm gonna try the recovery mode and see if i can add myself
[09:13] <danko123451> sure, go ahead
[09:13] <rixth> ~/.wine/drive_c/
[09:13] <geneo91> .wine drive_c
[09:13] <MuStR> fun fact: the lead programmer of Gaim goes to my University.
[09:13] <danko123451> wow
[09:13] <danko123451> what U is that?
[09:13] <MuStR> He's actually in my microeconomics class.
[09:14] <danko123451> awesome
[09:14] <danko123451> Gaim is big.
[09:14] <goli> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/277045
[09:14] <MuStR> Binghamton University
[09:14] <danko123451> If you ask me anyhhow.
[09:14] <MuStR> yeah
[09:14] <danko123451> wheres that?
[09:14] <MuStR> lol
[09:14] <danko123451> binghamtop...
[09:14] <MuStR> it has a much larger Linux following
[09:14] <MuStR> Binghamton is in New York
[09:14] <FeJaOr> MuStR, thanks a lot
[09:14] <danko123451> binge ham, top?
[09:14] <MuStR> FeJaOr, is it working yet?
[09:14] <danko123451> Awesome, so I learned to exciting facts today
[09:15] <danko123451> 2
[09:15] <MuStR> lol
[09:15] <MuStR> what was the other one?
[09:15] <geneo91> just above pa line
[09:15] <zaofreek> localhost hacking?
[09:15] <Frail> Could someone point me to a help website or something that goes step by step with how to install a program onto Ubuntu?
[09:15] <FeJaOr> MuStR, Im downloading it
[09:15] <danko123451> wellthe Gaim developer goping to your U...
[09:15] <MuStR> LOL localhost hacking
[09:15] <danko123451> and where it is.
[09:15] <danko123451> yeah, that one was fun
[09:15] <MuStR> lol
[09:16] <danko123451> Frail: which progrfam, the Muine?
[09:16] <Frail> yes
[09:16] <crimsun> goli: try increasing your headphones level
[09:16] <danko123451> did you put all the files from the .gz into a folder?
[09:16] <Frail> yes
[09:16] <crimsun> goli: also, mute your capture element
[09:16] <mebaran151> anybody know how to make either ethernet or wireless work on a Dell 8600 Laptop
[09:16] <danko123451> ok, then, go into that folder in a shel...
[09:16] <mebaran151> the module doesnt load
[09:16] <danko123451> and type in ./make
[09:16] <mebaran151> I am unsure which it should be
[09:17] <danko123451> tried NDISwrapper?
[09:17] <transgress> anyone know of good sound editor?  i wanna to cut like 20 minutes off of an mp3
[09:18] <thenuke> transgress: check the repos
[09:18] <transgress> ...
[09:18] <danko123451> Frail: did you get that?
[09:18] <g14-sleep> transgress: audacity
[09:18] <zaofreek> transgress, try audacity or sweep
[09:18] <danko123451> ./make
[09:18] <mebaran151> I would like ethernet to work
[09:18] <mebaran151> anyone what module it needs
[09:18] <mebaran151> so that I have internet
[09:18] <Frail> Alright. Sorry. There's no file called 'make' but two files called 'makefile.in' and 'makefile.am'
[09:18] <transgress> thanks
[09:18] <mebaran151> Frail: type make
[09:18] <thenuke> transgress: you dont need that pro software for cutting a slice of mp3 that you really cant check the repos by yourself if there is any available :)
[09:18] <danko123451> just type in ./make
[09:18] <mebaran151> make processes makefile
[09:18] <crimsun> Frail: is there a ./configure?
[09:19] <danko123451> in the folder, in a terminal
[09:19] <mebaran151> you just type make
[09:19] <mebaran151> not ./make
[09:19] <Frail> yes
[09:19] <danko123451> let me think'
[09:19] <danko123451> haha
[09:19] <crimsun> Frail: then you need to run ./configure before you can run make
[09:19] <Frail> oh ok
[09:19] <danko123451> crimsun: finally someone who knows said it...
[09:19] <danko123451> I was like..
[09:19] <danko123451> make.....
[09:19] <Frail> checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
[09:20] <Frail> gives me that
[09:20] <crimsun> Frail: what program are you trying to compile?
[09:20] <Frail> Muine
[09:20] <danko123451> muine
[09:20] <mebaran151> ok
[09:20] <mebaran151> I need module b44
[09:20] <crimsun> Frail: are you not using the one from Hoary/universe?
[09:20] <mebaran151> but it still doesnt dhcp
[09:20] <mebaran151> what do I do
[09:20] <Frail> I am
[09:20] <Frail> i got it from their website
[09:20] <crimsun> Frail: no no, Ubuntu distributes a binary of it in universe.
[09:21] <Frail> oh
[09:21] <Frail> then that's a negative
[09:21] <crimsun> Frail: enable the universe repository, then install muine
[09:21] <Frail> and how do i enable it?
[09:21] <crimsun> Frail: you can use Synaptic to add the universe repo (or you can do it manually)
[09:21] <crimsun> Frail: Settings>Repositories
[09:21] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto has the details
[09:22] <thoreauputic> Frail: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:22] <geneo91> crimsun:  is there any way to see if i'm getting any audio from tv card
[09:22] <danko123451> 	Oh, so you guys are pushing the official guide thing...
[09:23] <danko123451> well, does anyone have any info on why the ubuntuguide.org is unofficial?
[09:23] <MuStR> Well, whatever works
[09:23] <MuStR> :p
[09:23] <crimsun> geneo91: using the snd-bt87x driver?
[09:23] <danko123451> cause it references unfree programs?
[09:23] <MuStR> it does?
[09:23] <MuStR> :o
[09:23] <thoreauputic> danko123451: no, it's just an independent effort
[09:23] <MuStR> The ubuntuguide.org is pretty good
[09:23] <danko123451> well, for one the limewire.....
[09:23] <danko123451> no, I think it is great...
[09:23] <MuStR> oh but you're right, it does reference the game installer
[09:23] <danko123451> but, why is it unofficial
[09:24] <mebaran151> dhcp doesnt work
[09:24] <MuStR> ...which costs money
[09:24] <mebaran151> even with the module
[09:24] <mebaran151> I think I need to repair the ifup script
[09:24] <bob2> no
[09:24] <danko123451> why is ubuntuguide.org still unofficial, anyone have an idea?
[09:24] <bob2> danko123451: dude, chill out
[09:24] <bob2> asking a question once is plenty
[09:25] <danko123451> ok, ok...
[09:25] <bob2> it's unofficial because it was written by some random dude
[09:25] <thoreauputic> MuStR: costing money isn't the definition of "non-free"
[09:25] <bob2> if he/she would like it put on the official website, he/she would have to ask
[09:25] <danko123451> ok, youre friendly...
[09:25] <danko123451> Ok, later, bob2
[09:25] <bob2> er, ok then
[09:25] <goli> crimsun, still no luck...i can only control the oss mixer and the also mixer from the volume control....how do i get to the esd mixer
[09:26] <crimsun> goli: please open a terminal and use alsamixer
[09:26] <MuStR> thoreauputic: was that a joke, or would you mind explaining
[09:26] <mebaran151> should I b44 it
[09:26] <mebaran151> or something
[09:26] <thoreauputic> MuStR: no joke - "non-free" means we aren't free to use and modify the code, basically
[09:27] <MuStR> ahh.
[09:27] <dell500> how do i get rid of the stretching of the xy in fglrx??
[09:27] <MuStR> I see.
[09:27] <mebaran151> I am on a dell 8600
[09:27] <Frail> ok which one of these things am I adding?
[09:27] <mebaran151> I need to dll my stuff
[09:28] <mebaran151> I want to either to use the wireless card built in
[09:28] <thoreauputic> MuStR: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html
[09:28] <topyli> thoreauputic: in many cases you're free to use non-free programs (acroread, flashplayer...). it's the source that matters
[09:28] <mebaran151> how would I use my Dell Truemobile 2400 card
[09:29] <thoreauputic> topyli: yes - but the source must be "free" to modify , as I said
[09:29] <thoreauputic> topyli: to qualify as "Free" software, I mean
[09:29] <mebaran151> ok
[09:30] <mebaran151> how would I set up my Dell Truemobile 1300 WLAN
[09:30] <mebaran151> using ndiswrapper
[09:30] <topyli> sure. that relates to the source, not usage. even IE is "freeware" while definitely non-free
[09:30] <mebaran151> so that it boots correctly too
[09:30] <DmD> hello, i just tried to add myself to the sudoers in recovery mode but when i typed export EDITOR=gedit && sudo visudo i got this error msg "Gtk-warning - cannot open display:  visudo"
[09:30] <thoreauputic> topyli: hence my posting the GNU philosophy link above :)
[09:30] <mebaran151> any takerw
[09:30] <mebaran151> s
[09:30] <topyli> yeah
[09:30] <DmD> i got the cmd from the ubuntu guide website..
[09:30] <thoreauputic> topyli: just to clarify
[09:30] <mebaran151> how would I set up ndiswrapper to work with a Dell Truemobile 1300 WLAN
[09:31] <p0m> By reading the ndiswrapper readme?
[09:31] <mebaran151> I meant without an internet connection
[09:32] <mebaran151> I could dll it easily
[09:32] <mebaran151> but I have only one computer
[09:32] <mebaran151> this is borrowed
[09:32] <mebaran151> will ndiswrapper fit on a floppy
[09:32] <mebaran151> ?
[09:32] <Frail> i can't find muine on the list
[09:32] <Frail> from university
[09:33] <DmD> would anyone be able to help me adding myself to sudo?
[09:33] <thoreauputic> Frail: that means the universe repository is  not enabled, or you didn't run reload/update
[09:34] <bezibaerchen> DmD: vi /etc/sudoers
[09:34] <Frail> i did
[09:34] <icebalm> DmD: haven't people already told you to edit sudoers?
[09:34] <Frail> it has other stuff
[09:34] <Frail> just not muine
[09:34] <DmD> i just tried to
[09:34] <DmD> but after i typed that cmd
[09:34] <topyli> never edit the sudoers file directly
[09:34] <DmD> i got an error
[09:34] <Frail> nevermind
[09:34] <thoreauputic> Frail: is this warty or hoary?
[09:34] <Frail> found it :)
[09:34] <DmD> "Gtk-warning - cannot open display visudo"
[09:34] <DmD> i did it under recovery mode
[09:35] <topyli> you have gedit or something as $EDITOR i guess
[09:35] <thoreauputic> DmD: try  ` EDITOR=nano  sudo visudo
[09:36] <DmD> alright, under recovery mode again?
[09:36] <thoreauputic> DmD: nano is a command line editor - the shortcut key combos are shown on the bottom
[09:36] <thoreauputic> DmD: yes, to get root rights you need recovery mode
[09:36] <DmD> alright thanks
[09:36] <DmD> brb
[09:36] <Frail> damn that's cool
[09:36] <Frail> thanks for the help guys
[09:36] <thoreauputic> DmD: to save changes, do control-X and say yes
[09:37] <DmD> ok thanks again :)
[09:37] <topyli> DmD: then fix the editor variable
[09:37] <DmD> i'll give it a try
[09:37] <DmD> editor variable?
[09:37] <DmD> sry i'm new to Linux ;)
[09:37] <thoreauputic> topyli: no need for a one-off
[09:37] <topyli> DmD: use nano as $EDITOR and gedit for $VISUAL for example
[09:37] <topyli> true
[09:37] <thoreauputic> topyli: keep it simple :)
[09:38] <topyli> right :)
[09:38] <DmD> heh
[09:38] <topyli> first things first :)
[09:38] <DmD> i've used Linux for awhile but i switched back to Windows
[09:38] <DmD> ;)
[09:38] <DmD> but now i'm determined to learn it
[09:38] <DmD> so i'll probably be in here most of the time
[09:38] <DmD> ;p
[09:38] <DmD> anyways brb
[09:38] <martin> DmD you picked a nice distro to learn on... ;)
[09:40] <goli> crimsun, sorry to bother you again...i used alsamixer ... and turned "headphone volume" up and made "capture" mute...but i don't think it worked properly...see http://pastebin.com/277047
[09:40] <Frail> for the love of god
[09:41] <Frail> could someone reccommend a program to me to play mp3's with?
[09:41] <Frail> on Ununtu
[09:41] <DmD> alright sweet
[09:41] <MuStR> xmms.
[09:41] <goli> crimsun, and i get this http://pastebin.com/277048 when i type esd in a terminal
[09:41] <DmD> that nano editor worked
[09:41] <p0m> Frail: Rythmbox, it comes with the base install.
[09:41] <guruff> hello :)
[09:42] <DmD> thanks guys
[09:42] <Frail> says i need a plugin though
[09:42] <thoreauputic> Frail: there are several, but for a start install gstreamer0.8-mad and try the default music player (rhythmbox)
[09:42] <thoreauputic> gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:42] <thoreauputic> sudo apt-get install  gstreamer0.8-mad  or find it in synaptic
[09:42] <DmD> in the editor i added system_username ALL=(ALL) ALL
[09:43] <DmD> was i supposed to replace username with my currently name ?
[09:43] <thoreauputic> DmD: yes
[09:43] <DmD> damnit
[09:43] <meng> Frail: if ur the ex windows guy, go fetch XMMS, the mp3 support is inclusive
[09:43] <DmD> gr
[09:43] <DmD> should of known
[09:43] <DmD> alright brb again
[09:44] <Frail> will try out both :(
[09:44] <Frail> err
[09:44] <Frail> :)
[09:44] <meng> Frail: add marillat repos to the apt list
[09:45] <Frail> and what's that?
[09:46] <thoreauputic> Frail: one thing at a time ;)
[09:46] <meng> http://sft.if.usp.br/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/
[09:46] <meng> the non free stuff
[09:46] <Frail> you're telling me
[09:46] <Frail> heh
[09:46] <meng> acrobat reader, multimedia plugins
[09:46] <thoreauputic> Frail: you can get the special repositories later
[09:47] <meng> will make richard squeam
[09:47] <thoreauputic> meng: he's just starting - later maybe ;-)
[09:47] <Frail> i put the new in newbie
[09:47] <meng> thoreauputic: neglected it a little
[09:48] <meng> thoreauputic: it has the supposedly illgeal stuff that frail might not care
[09:48] <thoreauputic> Frail: no, stop thinking of yourself as a newebie: think of yourself as a learning aspirant :)
[09:48] <Frail> learning aspirant lol
[09:48] <meng> thoreauputic: i am still quite new in debian distros
[09:48] <Frail> i like that
[09:49] <meng> was using SUSE till they made all the CDs into DVDs
[09:49] <MuStR> grr I'm trying to get SuSE
[09:49] <thoreauputic> Frail: when you can parse your /etc/fstab, it will be time to leave the temple, Grasshopper ;-)
[09:49] <MuStR> :p
[09:49] <MuStR> ferociously trying to get SuSE.
[09:49] <meng> Frail: prepare for a long one
[09:50] <Frail> lol
[09:50] <Frail> i'm prepared
[09:50] <Frail> i've gone through 4 linux dist. so far
[09:50] <Frail> trying to find one i like
[09:50] <Frail> and i'm liking Ubuntu so far
[09:51] <meng> it took me over 20 to come here
[09:51] <Frail> got Java working thanks to someone here helping me with it
[09:51] <MuStR> wow.
[09:51] <MuStR> this is my first
[09:51] <MuStR> :p
[09:51] <Frail> and now i got mp3's playing thanks to you guys
[09:51] <thoreauputic> Frail: once you grok apt-get and / or synaptic, things become easy
[09:51] <MuStR> bed time, good night all
[09:51] <Frail> grok?
[09:51] <meng> apt-get rules
[09:51] <thoreauputic> Frail: understand
[09:51] <Frail> ahh ok
[09:52] <meng> thoreauputic: what language was that?
[09:52] <Frail> well now that i've found that out, i think i'll be doing pretty good
[09:52] <thoreauputic> meng: heh - geek-speak I guess ;-)
[09:52] <meng> i'll say reti instead
[09:52] <bezibaerchen> http://fun.drno.de/pics/unix-geek.jpg
[09:53] <goli> crimsun, off for lunch now...thanks for all the help...will keep poking around
[09:53] <terran> hey guys
[09:54] <terran> I've got a really old ISA NEC2000 card that didn't get picked up at all during the install, is it gonna be hard work getting this to work given that it's ISA ?
[09:54] <terran> (h.hedgehog)
[09:56] <thoreauputic> Consumer: the short answer is probably, yes
[09:57] <Consumer> okay, I'll just slap in a pci card what the hell :)
[09:57] <thoreauputic> Consumer: save you a lot of grief, I'd say
[09:58] <Funraiser> how come i can't unRAR a rar file? (using ubuntu Hoary)
[09:58] <Frail> ok guys... suggest a program to me
[09:59] <thoreauputic> Funraiser: enable multiverse, and install unrar-nonfree
[09:59] <geneo91> Funraiser:  maybe you have old version of unrar
[09:59] <Funraiser> I'm using the command "unrar e filename.r00" but it doesn't work
[09:59] <Funraiser> oh
[09:59] <bezibaerchen> .r00 looks like part of a multiple archive
[09:59] <Funraiser> it is
[09:59] <bezibaerchen> you need to start with unrar of .rar