[00:07] <noahk11> How do i properly install xubuntu to a partition on a external drive that i can actually boot to?
[00:08] <noahk11> hello?
[00:08] <noahk11> How do i properly install xubuntu to a partition on a external drive that i can actually boot to?
[01:42] <primorialhobbit> My Xubuntu netbook crashed earlier today, and now refuses to boot - I see a blinking cursor in the upper left for a little while, then the screen flickers, and stays black.  I booted off a USB disk and run 'fsck -fv /dev/sda5', which reported no errors.  Rebooting in recovery mode fails, the last few lines visible on the screen are http://pastie.org/2582239 ... anyone have an idea on how to fix it?
[01:48] <charlie-tca> which version of Xubuntu, primorialhobbit
[01:48] <primorialhobbit> 11.04
[01:49] <charlie-tca> I would suspect it doing an fsck of all drives. boot in normal mode, when the screen goes black, hit s for skip, give it up to 5 minutes, it should boot
[01:50] <primorialhobbit> charlie-tca: I've just rebooted several more times, and each time it makes stops at a different point in the init process.  This time, it stopped at 'Starting Userspace boostsplash' and subsequently 'Stopping Userspace bootsplash'
[01:50] <charlie-tca> My 400GB hard drive takes up to 25 minutes for the checks, and 11.04 had no notice when it did that
[01:51] <primorialhobbit> I let it sit there for about an hour and a half earlier
[01:52] <charlie-tca> it depends on how far into the fsck it gets as to where in the process it shows you things.
[01:52] <charlie-tca> Tried turning completely off, let it sit two minutes, power it back on?
[01:52] <primorialhobbit> Fsck reports no errors at all, e.g. when I boot off a separate dis.  And I've already tried a cold reboot
[01:53] <charlie-tca> boot from the live cd, mount the hard drive, cd to / and run updates
[01:53] <charlie-tca> strange but works sometimes
[01:53] <primorialhobbit> `Run updates?
[01:54] <charlie-tca> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade on the hard drive itself
[01:54] <primorialhobbit> I'll give it a shot.  I assume I'll need to chroot for that?  My experience with apt-get is limited
[01:57] <charlie-tca> I never did. I just boot to a live session, cd into the hard drive, find the partition with / on it, and run it
[01:57] <charlie-tca> I don't know how to chroot
[01:58] <knome> chroot isn't technically hard, but you want to make sure you do it right
[01:59] <primorialhobbit> knome: But is it unnecessary?
[02:01] <knome> sorry, i haven't followed the discussion too closely
[02:02] <knome> it looks like you need chroot, yes
[02:02] <primorialhobbit> Thankfully I have a second computer to use in the meantime, but it would be really nice to get the netbook running again before Monday's classes
[02:03] <primorialhobbit> knome: Could you assist with the proper way to chroot?
[02:03] <knome> if you don't chroot, you'll just update the packages on your main pc
[02:03] <knome> haven't done that in ages. i'd suggest just looking at some tutorial from google, because if i'd help, that's where i'd read the instructions from myself :P
[02:04] <primorialhobbit> hah, thanks
[02:04] <knome> !chroot
[02:04] <knome> that's probably a good starting point
[02:34] <wdouvet> I am running xubuntu, am a newbie, and I am having trouble updating with synaptic package manager
[05:04] <chirag_d_gr8> when i installed xubuntu using wubi, i see boot time errorbad lun bad numbers(1-10)
[05:04] <chirag_d_gr8> how to fix this?
[05:22] <Shirakawasuna> I want to rip movie/show DVDs to ISO before encoding them with HandBrake. What would be a good tool for this (preferably light, xfce philosophy and all that)?
[05:23] <Shirakawasuna> basically I want k3b without kde dependencies :). It will rip to an ISO and check md5sums. I want that.
[08:55] <csenger41> hy everyone :)
[08:58] <csenger41> i'd need some help with flash games
[08:59] <csenger41> the ones on facebook are freezing if im moving my cursor on the screen and start moving again when i stop it
[08:59] <csenger41> theres no such problem on Win7
[09:11] <csenger41> anyone online?
[10:16] <philippe> Hello
[10:16] <philippe> I need some help
[10:16] <philippe> I just installed xubuntu 11.04 on my laptop
[10:17] <philippe> It all works fine when plugged in
[10:17] <philippe> But when it runs on the battery xubuntu freezes
[10:17] <philippe> Is this a known problem?
[10:22] <dirtycookie> hi i want to make my indicator plugin transparent so that it fits in my transparent pannel can someone tell me how
[10:22] <well_laid_lawn> philippe: not a problem most ppl have no
[10:23] <philippe> I dunno what to do :(
[10:23] <philippe> Defeats the object of having a laptop with xubuntu if it crashes on battery power :(
[10:23] <well_laid_lawn> philippe: can you change to a tty or enter stuff in a terminal when it freezes?
[10:24] <philippe> no
[10:24] <philippe> hard freeze
[10:25] <well_laid_lawn> it must be a hardware issue
[10:25] <dirtycookie> hi i want to make my indicator plugin transparent so that it fits in my transparent pannel can someone tell me how
[10:25] <philippe> I will google some more
[10:25] <philippe> To try and solve it
[10:25] <philippe> Thanks for answering my questions well_laid
[10:25] <philippe> Have a nice day :)
[10:26] <well_laid_lawn> philippe: have a tty running when you
[10:26] <well_laid_lawn> unplug the power
[10:31] <dirtycookie> hi
[10:32] <dirtycookie> anyone there
[10:40] <dirtycookie1> hi i want to make my indicator plugin transparent so that it fits in my transparent pannel can someone tell me how
[10:56] <ismailov> hii pleese join linux-bg,org in facebook http://www.facebook.com/pages/linux-bgorg/165834412004
[10:56] <knome> ismailov, please don't advertise
[11:02] <IdleOne> ismailov: Please stop advertising your facebook page.
[11:03] <ismailov> ok
[11:04] <ismailov> noo problem
[11:25] <dirtycookie> hi anyone there
[11:26] <dirtycookie> i need some help plz
[11:26] <knome> !ask
[11:28] <dirtycookie>  i have freshly installed xubuntu and i want to change the fore- and background color of my indicator plugin
[11:28] <dirtycookie> how can i do that
[11:33] <dirtycookie> ...
[11:35] <dirtycookie> i have freshly installed xubuntu and i want to change the fore- and background color of my indicator plugin, does anyone know how to do this??
[11:35] <knome> please don't repeat
[11:36] <knome> if somebody knows the answer, they will reply
[11:36] <knome> no need to repeat every 5 minutes
[11:36] <Sysi> and crosspost
[11:36] <knome> !coc > dirtycookie
[11:36] <knome> !guidelines > dirtycookie
[11:37] <knome> dirtycookie, just for reference.
[11:39] <dirtycookie> that is fine and understandable, i thought that all users in this channel are afk. thanks for giving a sign of activity and ill wait patiently. And thank you in advance
[11:47] <Sysi> I think indicator plugien goes with gtk-theme, for some reason it doesn't go transparent with alpha/panelbg but with fg/icons-slider it does
[11:55] <dirtycookie> Sysi: ok... so what does that mean?
[13:54] <Fulcher1993> .
[15:45] <seemawn> hi
[15:45] <seemawn> i have serious problems with my screen resolution
[15:45] <seemawn> description following:
[15:46] <seemawn> i use a nvidia-fx 5700 graphics card, so the nvidia-173 driver should be suitable
[15:46] <seemawn> but I cannot raise the resolution above 640x480.
[15:48] <seemawn> and it seems like, that it does not read the xorg.conf.
[15:49] <seemawn> glxgears reports more than 2000 fps, and according to glxinfo, direct rendering works
[15:51] <seemawn> how can i override monitor detection?
[21:07] <XubuntuKris> anyone ever use Trimage image compressor?
[21:08] <GridCube> nope
[21:08] <GridCube> !info trimage
[21:09] <XubuntuKris> I asked cause I'm using it now, trying to compress about 120 pngs and it's taking forever on just the first one.
[21:09] <GridCube> oh
[21:10] <GridCube> you could use imagemagick
[21:10] <GridCube> !info imagemagic
[21:10] <GridCube> !info imagemagick
[21:10] <GridCube> its pretty easy and very powerful
[21:11] <XubuntuKris> well Trimage just got passed the first couple, I'll give it a chance to do it's thing, and if I'm unsatisfied with the results, I'll give imagemagick a go
[21:11] <XubuntuKris> lol, thanks GridCube.
[21:11] <XubuntuKris> any other suggestions?
[21:12] <GridCube> :P i'd say use irfanview trough wine
[21:12] <GridCube> but thats just me
[21:12] <GridCube> not the best option
[21:12] <XubuntuKris> I don't like wine
[21:12] <XubuntuKris> never understood it.
[21:12] <GridCube> there you got it :P
[21:12] <GridCube> then use imagemagick
[21:12] <GridCube> :)
[21:13] <XubuntuKris> Besides, I keep a winblows machine just for situations when linux just won't do the trick
[21:13] <XubuntuKris> lol
[21:13] <XubuntuKris> Thanks again
[21:13] <GridCube> if imagemagick had a good gui there wouldnt be a need for any other imagining software
[21:13] <XubuntuKris> That's kind of why I installed Trimage. I like GUI's.
[21:14] <GridCube> :P
[21:14] <XubuntuKris> I know how to operate in a terminal, I'm just lazy
[21:14] <XubuntuKris> lol
[21:34] <seemawn> if anyone considered answering my question I asked several hours ago: I solved the problem and apologize not to tell you that.
[21:35] <seemawn> the problem was: xorg.conf was not aware of possible vertical frequency of my screen.
[21:35] <seemawn> twas too low.
[23:17] <philippe> Hi
[23:17] <philippe> I need some help
[23:18] <philippe> I have a new install of xubuntu 11.04 and this red icon appears in the system tray
[23:18] <philippe> like a remove icon in a terminal window
[23:18] <philippe> but doesnt do anything
[23:19] <philippe> How can I remove it?
[23:20] <philippe> ok I just fixed it
[23:20] <philippe> Removed the usb charger for my iphone
[23:20] <philippe> Was related to the power manager icon
[23:21] <philippe> Many thanks :)
[23:21] <philippe> Another happy xubuntu user :)
[23:21] <philippe> Good night and god bless


[00:46] <gunndawg> Where is the best place to get Kubuntu 14.04 themes? Looking for something darker than the default
[01:04] <mparillo> gunndawg: You can try http://kde-look.org/
[01:10] <palmero> this is a test
[02:21] <gunndawg> Where is the best place to get Kubuntu 14.04 themes? Looking for something darker than the default
[02:28] <lethu> gunndawg, kde-look.org
[02:31] <gunndawg> lethu, thank you
[02:31] <lethu> gunndawg, yw
[05:54] <djonvejn> hello
[05:54] <djonvejn> two questions
[05:54] <djonvejn> is there official kubuntu page
[05:55] <djonvejn> i installed ambient noise player and when i click to start it from aplications/multimedia, it shows on taskbar but doesnt start
[05:55] <djonvejn> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/ambient-noise-player-app-for-ubuntu-linux
[05:57] <djonvejn> anyone
[05:57] <djonvejn> do i need to start slapping people
[05:57]  * djonvejn slaps someone random
[05:58]  * djonvejn slaps Drone`
[06:00] <djonvejn> omg they are all dead
[06:00] <djonvejn> jez,, run, its channel of zombies
[06:20] <djonvejn> in terminal i get Traceback (most recent call last):   File "/usr/share/anoise/anoise.py", line 20, in <module>     from gi.repository import Gtk, GObject, Gst ImportError: cannot import name Gst
[06:38] <valorie> djonvejn: of course, kubuntu.org
[06:38] <valorie> it's like a four-day holiday in much of Europe
[06:39] <valorie> many people out of town
[06:39] <djonvejn> valorie i think i meant official irc chat, but guess this one is
[06:40] <gordon_> when 15.04 is going to be out ?
[06:40] <valorie> djonvejn: did you see this comment in your link? "It does work, I have it running here. You will also have to install anoise-gui. If it still doesn't work, install gir1.2-gstreamer-0.10 which I had to do on a laptop with Kubuntu 14.10."
[06:41] <valorie> I've never heard of the application, but it sounds like it works on kubuntu
[06:41] <djonvejn> valorie: i did that, i think it about new plasma for kubuntu
[06:41] <valorie> djonvejn: page is a webpage, I assumed?
[06:42] <valorie> I doubt plasma has any effect on a sound application
[06:42] <djonvejn> yes, valorie i wrote it wrong, i meant chat, not page
[06:42] <valorie> ok
[06:42] <djonvejn> valorie: but it does on its gui
[06:42] <valorie> yes, this is the official channel
[06:42]  * djonvejn hugs valorie
[06:43] <djonvejn> \o/
[06:43] <valorie> sure, but you should be able to install and use any application in the archive
[06:43] <valorie> we're all ubuntu
[06:43] <valorie> we're just not all Unity
[06:43] <djonvejn> death to unity!
[06:43] <valorie> different tastes and needs are fine
[06:43] <valorie> we're all in the same family
[06:45] <valorie> djonvejn: that said, it doesn't seem to be in the repos, just in a PPA
[06:46] <valorie> !info ambient-noise
[06:46] <djonvejn> yes, needed to add ppa
[06:46] <djonvejn> i thought about just getting sounds from folder and play it in other media player
[06:47] <djonvejn> its not crucial app for me
[06:47] <djonvejn> everything else mostly works
[06:47] <valorie> this part of your error message: cannot import name Gst probably does refer to gstreamer
[06:47] <valorie> commonly called gst
[06:47] <djonvejn> its installed in muon package manager
[06:48] <valorie> so be sure gstreamer and all its plugins or whatever are installed
[06:48] <djonvejn> its installed by default
[06:48] <valorie> ugly, etc.
[06:48] <valorie> right
[06:48] <valorie> but sometimes people remove things
[06:48] <valorie> also, there is a .01 version, and 1.0
[06:49] <valorie> !info gstreamer
[06:49] <valorie> pfff
[06:50] <djonvejn> hehe
[06:50] <valorie> so, if your app needs 0.10, but you have 1.0
[06:50] <valorie> you'll have to install the other one, *and* that one's proper plugins
[06:51] <valorie> do an `apt-cache search gstreamer` and you'll see what I mean
[06:51] <valorie> rather a mess
[06:51] <djonvejn> i didnt use linux or ubuntu for a long time, except for gparted and some like that
[06:51] <djonvejn> so i am a bit lost around it all
[06:52] <valorie> that's why we have irc!
[06:52] <djonvejn> i hope for neuron type of interface where i will just upload data to my brain
[06:52] <djonvejn> but for now, irc will do :p
[06:53] <valorie> indeed, I need that neural-net as well
[06:54] <valorie> until then, google + irc will have to do
[06:54] <djonvejn> anyway, this ambient noise app seems like too much effort for little effect
[06:55] <djonvejn> but will try restart, maybe i come back
[06:55] <djonvejn> gl hf :)
[06:55] <valorie> !info anoise
[06:56] <valorie> see ya
[08:34] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:35] <MoonUnit`> morning
[08:35] <lordievader> Hey MoonUnit`, how are you?
[08:35] <MoonUnit`> fine thanks
[08:41] <MoonUnit`> disappointing no 4.0 rc7 kernel to install today.
[08:42] <lordievader> There are ways....
[08:44] <MoonUnit`> could always install from the daily i suppose http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/2015-04-05-vivid/
[08:45] <lordievader> Was more thinking in the lines of compiling ;)
[10:53]  * djonvejn waves to valorie
[10:53] <djonvejn> tried to play with gtk app settings, failed
[10:53] <djonvejn> installed mate, ddint work
[10:53] <djonvejn> actually worked with mate, didnt like the desktop
[10:53] <djonvejn> installed gnome, didint like it too
[10:54] <djonvejn> switched back to kubuntu plasma, now anoise works
[12:00] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:00] <MoonUnit`> hi
[13:13] <cristianita> hello,
[13:13] <cristianita> The summary says installation will format the partition exchange , but do not select to format this partition, when selecting partitions box .
[13:13] <cristianita> Normally the installer from other distros recognize the swap partition and associate it to the new install .
[13:13] <cristianita> will happen in this case?
[13:13] <BluesKaj> cristianita, yes
[13:16] <BluesKaj> one swap will work for more than one linux distro on your machine as well
[13:16] <BluesKaj> cristianita,
[13:19] <cristianita> I know, but what happens if formatted . The other distros will follow recognizing that same swap partition , but the installer format it?
[13:20] <cristianita> perhaps all installers give default format to the swap partition ?
[13:20] <cristianita> that does not keep still recognized by the other distros installed ?
[13:21] <cristianita> I 'm confused with this :)
[13:21] <lordievader> cristianita: Probably just to initialize it, however it doesn't matter.
[13:21] <lordievader> If other OS'es recognize it as swap, and their configured to use it, they'll use it.
[13:24] <cristianita> mmm, My surprise is that the installer says it will format if you do not chose?
[13:24] <lordievader> cristianita: Format what exactly?
[13:25] <BluesKaj> cristianita, not to worry , that's standard procedure in kubuntu/ubiquity installer , it will be formatted but remain a swap partition
[13:25] <cristianita> i'm sorry about my english, jajaja
[13:25] <cristianita> lordievader: swap partition
[13:26] <lordievader> cristianita: That is per default, don't worry about it.
[13:27] <cristianita> then, all other distros will recognize as always the swap partition?
[13:28] <lordievader> Yes, and if they are configured to use it  they will.
[13:30] <cristianita> of course. Spent months working!
[13:32] <cristianita> but read somewhere that if you gave format the swap partition, changing its identifier and then not would recognize , having to edit fstab
[13:37] <cristianita> Thanks to everyone!
[13:37] <lordievader> cristianita: That is true.
[13:38] <lordievader> The UUID will change. But it is still a swap partition.
[15:58] <Voyage> how to reconfigure all apps. I guess there are alot of issues happeneing in my pc. display goes of or flickers. internet goes of some times.
[15:59] <BluesKaj> Voyage, update, upgrade and dist-upgrade first
[16:02] <Voyage> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[16:04] <BluesKaj> Voyage, which kubuntu?
[16:08] <deadmund> I'm wanting KDE on ubuntu.  If I install the kubuntu image.  Will there be any downsides?  I'm nervous there will be less polish in this version.  Is that true?
[16:12] <BluesKaj> deadmund, Kubuntu 14.10 is solid stable and fast, and easier to use than unity or gnome ,IME
[16:12] <Voyage> BluesKaj,  latest
[16:12] <Voyage> BluesKaj,  14
[16:12] <BluesKaj> 14.04 or 14.10 , Voyage
[16:12] <BluesKaj> ?
[16:13] <Voyage> 10
[16:13] <Voyage> 14.10
[16:14] <BluesKaj> how did you install 14.10, Voyage ? upgrade from 14.04 ?
[16:15] <Voyage> yes
[16:15] <Voyage> upgrade
[16:16] <BluesKaj> that's what i thought, make sure you upgraded your gpu driver as well
[16:17] <BluesKaj> Voyage, system-settings>driver manager/recommended drivers
[16:20] <deadmund> BluesKaj: K, thanks :)
[16:20] <BluesKaj> deadmund, you won't regret it :)
[16:26] <Voyage> BluesKaj,  opening
[16:27] <Voyage> BluesKaj,  theres nothing to be shown
[16:27] <BluesKaj> Voyage, which gpu?
[16:30] <BluesKaj> sorry Voyage, I have to leave ...hope somone else can help you
[16:33] <tempestadept> Hello. I seem to have rather badly broken my system after upgrading to utopic and trying to fix problems with a couple of pakages. Right now APT has removed A LOT of important stuff and I can't reinstall it, getting complaints about broken held packages (though apt-mark showhold shows nothing)
[16:34] <soee> try: apt-get -f install
[16:34] <tempestadept> I've generated a fresh sources.list with repogen.simplylinux.ch , that didn't help
[16:34] <soee> and: apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[16:34] <tempestadept> no effect
[16:36] <tempestadept> trying to reinstall gives complains about unsatisfied deps
[16:37] <tempestadept> like it depends on lots of packages that won't be installed (btw, can I force APT to use english locale so its messages would be worth pasting?)
[16:38] <soee> for example: LANGUAGE=C apt-get update
[16:39] <tempestadept> Oh.. after LC_ALL failed I didn't even bother to try LANGUAGE. Thanks )
[16:40] <tempestadept> https://paste.kde.org/pch76okjc apt-get output
[16:44] <Voyage> how to reconfigure all apps. I guess there are alot of issues happeneing in my pc. display goes of or flickers. internet goes of some times.
[16:45] <drw> Voyage: you might want to try renaming your .kde dir and restarting kde, that's where all your app configs are, so things will revert to defaults
[16:51] <tempestadept> So.. What else could I try to fix the system?
[16:54] <soee> tempestadept: try the command with option: -o  Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true
[16:55] <Voyage> drw,  isnt there a dpgk -i reconfigure all kind of thing?
[16:57] <drw> that will reinstall the default options conf files, if your local settings override them, it won't make any difference
[16:58] <drw> doing the rename/restart is a quick way to see if your settings are causing the problems (vs. package issues)
[16:58] <tempestadept> oh, I've apparently made progress with aptitude. It displayed some dep problems with some too new installed packages (from a removed PPA). I've removed the packages and apt-get install seems to work now
[16:58] <soee> :)
[16:59] <drw> tempestadept: cool
[18:16] <wardred> Hi all.  I'm using Kubuntu 15.04.  Randomly it seems like I lose the ability to click with the mouse.  I can move the mouse, hover over icons and get the tips, I can type and alt-tab, but I can't click.  Has anybody run into this before?
[18:27] <darokthar> wardred i had something like this on my laptop. But it was not because of the software. I got to close to the touchpad while clicking. Therefore the mouse was moved slightly and the click didn't work.
[18:30] <wardred> Thank you darokthar.  That shouldn't be the case with my system.  It's a surface pro 3 and I havne't jumped through the configuration files to get the touchpad working.  I'm using either the pen, an external bluetooth mouse, or the screen, and on all three the click stops working at the same time.
[23:09] <sir_iw> the first day you install a kubunu final beta, and bugs bugs everywhere
[23:10] <sir_iw> :(
[23:50] <ericokl> kubuntu 15.04... when?


[03:46] <roasted> hello friends
[03:53] <Noskcaj> hey roasted
[03:54] <roasted> just got 3.10 fired up on 13.10
[03:54] <roasted> I ruined it last time with trying to test out cinnamon on it
[03:54] <roasted> going to try and use 3.10 with as few extensions as possible
[03:54] <roasted> although going without dash to dock might send me into a homicidal rage
[04:45] <duzyn> hi,everything
[05:15] <xiaox> hello, is any body who works on debugging ubuntu-gnome ?
[07:17] <Arman> hi
[07:18] <Arman> anyone online?
[11:07] <lazl0w> Hi, I tend to stay away from Ubuntu due to the privacy concerns with unity and what not, can anyone tell me if using gnome ubuntu gets rid of any concerns I have for my privacy?
[12:35] <Dudytz> hi all. I have a problem in the gnome 3.10. My tweak settings (eg. set of activated plugins) is reseted after a normal restart. The settings are persisted only if I do a logoff first and after a restart. How can I do to start debugging the persistence of these configurations?
[16:32] <newhoa> Hello, I have been using Gnome Shell for a while (now using 3.8.4 on UG3.10) and it seems very laggy, especially when going into "overview/activities" mode. I figured maybe it was my video card or something (I am using a Radeon HD 7770 (recently upgraded from a 5450 w/equal Gnome-shell performance) but it happens with both free and non-free drivers). Non-composited window managers seem to work great. Compiz the last few releases was ev
[16:38] <bjsnider> yeah, i think your choice of amd over nvidia is the problem there
[16:39] <bjsnider> if you have an intel integrated gpu, it might work better
[16:53] <newhoa> bjsnider, that's kind of what I expected and why I just dealt with it. I was hoping after a few years of releases performance would improve. But after my recent experience with compiz, I now know it's not a hardware limitation. And it is very specific to gnome-shell, all other WMs handle it great.
[18:08] <bjsnider> no, i expect it's a bad graphics driver
[19:33] <newhoa> If there is something specific to the drivers I would like to learn more, but I have trouble blaming it on the drivers. I've tried both open source and closed source drivers, 2D works great with both drivers in all other cases. Works great with every other WM, plays games very well, and plays videos very well. Even on the budget 5450. Gnome shell is the only environment in which I have trouble.
[20:10] <bjsnider> why don't i have trouble with it?
[20:10] <bjsnider> i just have a simple little ivybridge chip
[20:10] <bjsnider> nothing compared to your 7770 card
[20:19] <newhoa> That's my point... the 7770 does everything great on Linux *except* gnome shell. Your question of why you don't have trouble and I do is what I'm trying to figure out.
[20:21] <bjsnider> i don't think is the best channel for that
[20:21] <bjsnider> assuming you want an answer that's going to satisfy you
[20:33] <bjsnider> perhaps #gnome-shell on gimpnet might know more
[20:52] <mtvoid> I am unable to log in to the desktop environment from GDM. After entering the password, I see the gray background, with no activity for a while. Eventually it times out waiting for the shell to start. All my startup applications load, but nothing is visible. Strangely, GDM -> GNOME shell session works just fine if I enable automatic or timed login, it's only when I have to login with the password that I have this problem.
[22:09] <newhoa> bjsnider, thanks I will give it a try.


[04:56] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: re, installing man pages... It seems we install studio-controls.1 in man1/ but if I look at the installed file it is studio-controls.1.gz
[04:58] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]:  so how did it get from one to the other? There is mention of a mandb command, is that what happens? or is there something else?
[04:59] <OvenWerks> I guess for that matter, if the text is still the same the .gz doesn't matter. Does the man command do the actual formatting?
[05:00] <OvenWerks> I guess it doesn't matter
[05:00] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I think I have answered my own question
[05:02] <OvenWerks>  if I just install the raw text the system may at some later time gz it. So I just have to make sure the uninstall command removes studio-controls.*
[05:07] <OvenWerks> OK, so mandb does not seem to compress the file does some other debtool do that?
[14:06] <RikMills> FYI, Qt 5.15 is probably going to starting landing in proposed later today
[14:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Yeah, debhelper does the compression automatically for any manpages it finds.
[14:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> RikMills: Good news!
[16:10] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: in controls, the lib dir has gone... err well moved to usr/lib
[16:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Sounds good, should be an easy packaging change once we get to it.
[16:11] <OvenWerks> make install will put everything in /usr/local by default but the usual parameters will put it in /usr... but for deb that is probably not needed because everything is in a tree already
[16:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> Only thing is that if dh sees a makefile it'll try using it.
[16:13] <OvenWerks> a makefile saves me having to deal with command line parameters
[16:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> Honestly, it shouldn't matter so long as everything ends up where it's supposed to. In the case of dh, it should throw the build into debian/studio-controls, which should get picked-up easily.
[16:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> TL;DR: I don't think it'll be a factor
[16:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> In fact, it might even eliminate the need for d/studio-controls.install
[16:17] <OvenWerks> It does try to create links where needed
[16:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> Which eliminates the need for d/studio-controls.links (if we even have it).


[00:09] <Zren> Quantos, Ah, looks like it's because of qt's webkit, http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3015-1/
[00:09] <Quantos> Oh okay, so that's okay then?
[00:09] <Zren> Iunno
[00:10] <Quantos> I guess I'll wait and see
[00:10] <Zren> I didn't think twice about it since I have it installed
[00:20] <Lye383r7> hi
[00:20] <Lye383r7> when I'm browsing , and have to upload a file, open a browser window for me to choose the file ... this time the mouse does not work anymore ! no matter how many times I click on folders ! I am forced to navigate using the keyboard ! anyone have this problem ? any tips on how to solve ?
[00:21] <Lye383r7> kubuntu 14 lts x64
[00:21] <Lye383r7> dolphin bug?
[00:37] <Lye383r7> ...
[01:11] <CoJaBo> am i the only one running Firefox or something?
[03:14] <fulat2k> hi folks.  i'm on 16.04 and noticed plasmashell crashes frequently if apps are opened/closed quickly.  same thing happens if i restore from standby.  is there something i'm missing?
[04:23] <CoJaBo> Is there a firefox-gtk2 package available?
[04:33] <Zren> firefox <44 is gtk2
[04:33] <Zren> >=44 is gk3 no?
[04:34] <CoJaBo> Zren: I think I found an (ugly) work-around
[04:35] <CoJaBo> Zren: ..it begs the question tho, why has the default browser in Kubuntu been broken for two months without a proper fix? And the only work-around at all is a super-obscure undocumented hidden setting that took those two months to find..
[04:35] <Zren> It's broken?
[04:38] <CoJaBo> Zren: Almost completely, yes..
[04:38] <CoJaBo> It's impossible to open/save upload/download files, which is about all people I know do with a browser :/
[04:44] <Zren> Firefox 47, uploaded to imgur works, downloaded a zip, worked.
[04:45] <Zren> Using kde-neon though, but it's basically 16.04 cept for kde shit...
[04:51] <CoJaBo> 16.04 is probably fixed
[04:51] <CoJaBo> It's the previous LTS, 14.04
[04:53] <soee> well i'm using Vivaldi and i can recommend it to all :)
[07:06] <veronica__> new install wifi is gryed out
[07:07] <soee> in networm manager ?
[07:07] <veronica__> ath9k loads, but i cant enable the wifi in network manager
[07:07] <veronica__> yes
[07:08] <veronica__> module loads, and unloads
[07:08] <veronica__> but cant enable
[07:08] <soee> :/
[07:08] <veronica__> rfkill shows hard block, rfkill all only toggles the soft block. same as fn+f8
[07:09] <veronica__> there is no other switch
[07:09] <veronica__> thought fresh install would do it but nio luck
[10:53] <buovjaga> any UK Kubuntu users able to reproduce this? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360657
[11:18] <DaveLV> Sorry for this really nooby question. Just getting into the linux world. Im a little confused about the possible download versions. Kubuntu 16.04 LTS and Kubuntu 15.10. If i want the newest features and so on. What do i pick?
[11:21] <buovjaga> DaveLV: the versioning scheme is year.month
[11:21] <DaveLV> So the newest and best would be 16.04 right? Thanks a lot!
[11:21] <buovjaga> DaveLV: LTS = long term support, which means it will get security bug fixes for a longer time than the ones that are not LTS
[11:22] <DaveLV> Thanks!
[11:22] <buovjaga> so it is quite a good version to pick :)
[11:38] <Akishona> hi guys ! is it posible to upgrade the kernel to a new version on kubuntu 14.04.4 lts ? current version of kernel: 3.13.0-91-generic #138-Ubuntu SMP  x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[11:41] <Akishona> if yes how can i do that. i will appreciate a step-by-step guide :)
[11:42] <acheronuk> Akishona: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Ubuntu_14.04_LTS_-_Trusty_Tahr
[11:44] <Akishona> acheronuk: thank you
[11:45] <Akishona> acheronuk: did you tried or did you use the new kernel on 14 lts?
[11:46] <acheronuk> Akishona: have used newer kernels on Trusty a long time ago, bit I haven't used Trusy/14.0x for quite a while now.
[11:46] <acheronuk> so I can't comment on how well they work now
[11:48] <Akishona> acheronuk:  oh, i see. it worked well or did you encountered some problems?
[11:49] <acheronuk> seemed OK at the time on a Dell Inspiron laptop. can't really say more that that
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:37] <chinmoy> hey folks i want to delet a panel but when i right click on panel this is what i get...http://imgur.com/Zrhfa5V. what should i do to delete panel?
[15:00] <Guest50485> hi
[16:03] <Quantos> I'm having a problem guys.  I'm unable to access an external HDD with KUbuntu 16.04.  I've tried repartitioning and reformatting the drive.  I've tried giving myself permissions.  It keeps coming up as being write protected though
[16:04] <Quantos> It's on a USB 3 port by the way
[16:05] <lethu> Quantos: mount it with the sudo command
[16:05] <Quantos> The other drive in the same dock is working fine, I've tried swapping the drives too
[16:05] <lethu> Quantos: have you tried fscking it?
[16:06] <Quantos> It was fine actually until I was talking someone through partitioning their drive
[16:07] <Quantos> Just shutting down my VM's and I'll try those Lethu
[16:12] <Quantos> I got it, thanks Lethu
[16:26] <lethu> Quantos: yw
[17:43] <user|71282> hello. i am confused with the website. is the standard download working as a live cd or what?. i don´t want to install it on this machine, only run it
[17:48] <soee> user|71282: you download ISO file
[17:48] <soee> than you have to create live CD/USB with this file
[17:48] <soee> !livesession
[17:49] <soee> !live
[20:09] <Guest42903> hey i've a problem with sddm. On my system are two users, i'd like to have normal login screen, but one of the users shuldn't have to type it's password. How i can do that?


[05:23] <tfheen> dholbach: about 65870 ; I don't think this is RC in either of the themes.
[05:23] <dholbach> tfheen: hum... it crashes xubuntu
[05:23] <tfheen> dholbach: then fix the crash there, if it's not very hard?
[05:24] <janimo> tfheen: I do not know how hard it is. But that icon them file is not in standard format
[05:24] <ogra> fixing the xfce thme handling will surely be more intrusive
[05:25] <dholbach> tfheen: I agree with janimo there.... while it's preferrable to have xfce fixed and it should be investigated and forwarded, this is something which should have been done anyway
[05:25] <tfheen> dholbach: I'm not saying it's not a bug, I'm merely saying it's not RC for those package.
[05:28] <janimo> tfheen: right, it's not RC for those specific packages, just affects others :)
[05:28] <dholbach> So that's the distinction "it's RC" vs. "the implication of this little bug gives another distro RC bugs"? :-)
[05:29] <dholbach> But alright, I uploaded the human-c-t fix, that's all I could do for my part.
[05:29] <tfheen> dholbach: yes, and in some cases it can "bleed" over if the fix is really painful.  (Say if xfce-mcs-manager would have to be rewritten completely, I'd be more inclined than in the case here where I would guess a strdup("") is all that's called for.
[05:30] <dholbach> tfheen: right... it could be an easy fix. agreed.
[05:31] <tfheen> at this point, I want to not only have minimal changes, I want to not rebuild anything unless we have to.  Bugs have cropped up in the past because some seemingly insignificant piece changed in a subtle way.
[05:31] <tfheen> so from the POV of ubuntu, kubuntu and edubuntu, it makes more sense to implement the fix in xubuntu.
[05:31] <mdz> sfllaw: good morning
[05:32] <mdz> sfllaw: do you have those test cases prepared?
[05:36] <pirast> infinity, any news on the bootstrap of fpc?
[05:47] <rideout> the network-manager update that just went out causes knetworkmanger to bomb on me constantly
[05:47] <Keybuk> *sigh*
[05:47] <doko_> tfheen: please approve http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/edgy/python-setuptools.debdiff
[05:47] <tfheen> rideout: which network card do you have?
[05:47] <tfheen> rideout: or rather, which driver do you use?
[05:48] <tfheen> doko_: which problem does it fix?
[05:48] <rideout> ipw3945
[05:49] <doko_> tfheen: running easy_install without having python2.5 installed
[05:50] <tfheen> rideout: the network-manager update only changed behaviour for people using ndiswrapper, so I doubt your claim.
[05:50] <tfheen> doko_: oh, ok, approved.
[05:50] <Keybuk> tfheen: no it didn't
[05:50] <tfheen> Keybuk: oh?
[05:51] <Keybuk> the guy snuck in another change into the patch
[05:51] <Keybuk> (at least the one I read)
[05:51] <Keybuk> which is why I rejected it
[05:51] <Keybuk> no idea why it suddenly got applied and uploaded
[05:51] <tfheen> Keybuk: there was no other change in it, but a patch applied on top had to be adjusted.
[05:52] <rideout> tfheen: well, i'll do some more testing...
[05:52] <tfheen> Keybuk: http://err.no/patches/network_manager_remove_ndiswrapper_specialcase.diff is the patch.
[05:52] <tfheen> or, interdiff
[05:53] <Keybuk> ok, that's somewhat cleaner than the one I read
[05:53] <tfheen> it's semantically equivalent.  The other guy just fumbled a bit with dpatch.
[05:53] <Keybuk> wasn't wpasupplicant updated as well?
[05:55] <Tonio_> fabbione: just fixed kdebindings (and update to 3.5.5)
[05:55] <Tonio_> mdz: as that is part of kde 3.5.5, I assume it doesn't need uvf exception request for upload does it ?
[05:56] <doko_> dholbach: please approve python-4suite to add replaces fixing an upgrade error
[05:56] <dholbach> doko_: sure
[05:56] <tfheen> Keybuk: I didn't do that, at least, and it works fine with unencrypted networks.
[05:58] <rideout> tfheen: wpa_supplicant is actually the problem some TKIP error, but it was working 20 minutes ago ... i'll dig deeper
[05:58] <Keybuk> rideout: try a clean reboot
[06:00] <tfheen> anyway, I'm afk for a few hours.  Roleplaying session.
[06:01] <mdz> Tonio_: that exception was granted some time ago and I understood that 3.5.5 was already in
[06:01] <mdz> Tonio_: it's too late to be pushing new upstreams at this point unless they're incredibly minimal
[06:01] <Tonio_> mdz: no it isn't since the package failed to build
[06:02] <Tonio_> mdz: well the problem is that the current package now ftbfs too, due to libgcj7-dev update......
[06:02] <Tonio_> mdz: isn't that problematic enough to update ?
[06:02] <mdz> Tonio_: if it fails to build, that should be fixed directly, not by bringing in a new upstream
[06:03] <Tonio_> mdz: bah I can fix the current package too, the fix is the same
[06:03] <Tonio_> mdz: I just updated because kde 3.5.5 was approved
[06:03] <Tonio_> mdz: so I can fix and upload the current package then...
[06:03] <mdz> Tonio_: that was before the freeze
[06:04] <Tonio_> mdz: okay, let's fix the current package then
[06:04] <mdz> thanks
[06:08] <Tonio_> dholbach: I'll probably upload kdebindings (universe) in a moment, corrects the ftbfs issue, can you aprove ?
[06:09] <dholbach> Tonio_: No sorry - I'm not allowed to. That's the realm of tfheen, mdz, infinity and Kamion.
[06:09] <dholbach> oh
[06:09] <dholbach> that'S universe?
[06:09] <Tonio_> yup
[06:09] <Tonio_> ;)
[06:09] <infinity> No, it's in main.
[06:09] <dholbach> what I thought
[06:10] <infinity> Tonio_: Show mdz the diff (I'd say "show me", but I'm in no state to make sound technical decisions)
[06:10] <infinity> I'm sane enough to know which component it's in, though. :P
[06:10] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:/usr/lib$ apt-cache show kdebindings-java | grep Filename
[06:10] <Tonio_> Filename: pool/universe/k/kdebindings/kdebindings-java_3.5.4-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[06:10] <Tonio_> looks in universe for me
[06:10] <infinity> Tonio_: The source is in main, that one package is in universe.
[06:10] <dholbach> apt-cache showsrc kdebindings
[06:11] <Tonio_> infinity: ah ok sorry, gimme a moment to do the debdiff
[06:11] <Tonio_> dholbach: yeah thanks I didn't though about the source package indeed
[06:13] <Tonio_> infinity: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/30 the debdiff
[06:14] <keescook> Keybuk: do have a moment to pull a sync?  dirvish is currently half-broken in edgy: bug 66273
[06:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66273 in dirvish "sync request" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66273
[06:15] <Tonio_> infinity: I'm just testing the fix on the current package and if it builds correctly and you are okay I'll upload
[06:19] <Keybuk> keescook: done
[06:24] <zul> how do you get a spec on the agenda for uds?
[06:26] <fabbione> zul: it's written in the email from mdz to ubuntu-devel-announce
[06:26] <fabbione> zul: somebody will review and approve them IIRC
[06:27] <zul> fabbione: ok thanks
[06:32] <geser> fabbione: any news on the outdated Contents files on archive.u.c for edgy?
[06:33] <fabbione> geser: no, you can ask in #launchpad
[06:33] <fabbione> geser: malcc or SteveA or kiko
[06:34] <geser> will do
[06:34] <Riddell> seb128: I've just done a new install and fonts in gtk apps running under kde look fine
[06:34] <Riddell> seb128: he seems to have commented that it's fixed for him
[06:36] <infinity> Tonio_: As I said, please ask mdz for review/approval, I'm not all here.
[06:36] <infinity> (and going to bed now)
[06:40] <ogra> does ff take ~30sec for anyone else to open a url you clicked on in IRC or other external apps ?
[06:40] <ogra> (i.e. evolution)
[06:41] <ogra> it seems to take ages here to open a new tab if i click anything
[06:41] <ivoks> no
[06:42] <Tonio_> infinity: ah sorry, I'll ask mdz then
[06:44] <Tonio_> mdz: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/30 is that okay for upload according to you ?
[06:45] <agutierr> hello all: I have a serious problem. Someone knows if its possible to convert the yp/nis passwd.byname file to a passwd file ?
[06:46] <ogra> agutierr, please ask in #ubuntu, this is not a support channel
[06:46] <agutierr> thanks ogra
[06:48] <wasabi> ajmitch: You going to bring up anything about network auth at UMV?
[06:48] <mdz> Tonio_: what is the effect of that change?
[06:48] <mdz> sfllaw: did you see my earlier messages?
[06:49] <mdz> Tonio_: why is that patch no longer necessary?
[06:49] <Tonio_> mdz: builds correctly, the patch removed caused ftbfs due to libgcj7-dev change
[06:49] <mdz> Tonio_: what that patch seems to do is replace some find commands with hardcoded defaults
[06:49] <mdz> Tonio_: why does that cause it to fail to build and how does removing the patch fix it?
[06:50] <Tonio_> in fact libgcj.so is no longuer in /usr/lib in latest  libgcj7-dev
[06:50] <Tonio_> mdz: then configure fails, but works correctly without that patch
[06:50] <sfllaw> mdz: Ah yes.  Testing/Current is uptodate.
[06:53] <Tonio_> mdz: the point is that patch simplifies the configure commands, true, but the point is that libgcj.so path as changed
[06:53] <mdz> sfllaw: you, cr3, pitti and fabbione seem to have an excessive number of test cases
[06:53] <Tonio_> mdz: /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/libgij.so in currently i386 package , that's why it is necesarry to go back to the find commands
[06:54] <seb128> Riddell: ok, thank you for testing and confirming it works fine on a fresh install :)
[06:54] <sfllaw> mdz: cr3 actually has to do these test cases for certification.  :(
[06:54] <Tonio_> mdz: previous libgcj7-dev created a symlink in /usr/lib which has been removed
[06:54] <mdz> sfllaw: it will take him all day though
[06:55] <sfllaw> mdz: So I'm helping him out with those as a side-effect.
[06:55] <sfllaw> We have a lot of computers, so parallel processing is the plan.
[06:55] <pitti> mdz: I'm fine with doing two architectures, that doesn't slow me down; it would just not hurt to split one arch between two people
[06:55] <sfllaw> I'm going to hop out and buy a few more CD-RW.
[06:55] <cr3> pitti: I can do i386 and amd64, maybe some powerpc if only I had more time (not likely to happen)
[06:56] <sfllaw> pitti: Is that too much?  We don't seem to have a lot of developers with  PPC machines any more.
[06:56] <cr3> I'm also working on sparc actually, so scratch powerpc, I definatly won't have time for that
[06:56] <pitti> cr3: I'm fine with doing the powerpc range
[06:56] <cr3> pitti: cheers
[06:56] <pitti> I can easily test them while working on my amd64 desktop
[06:56] <pitti> sfllaw: it just takes a while, my ibook is painfully slow
[06:56] <sfllaw> pitti: Understood.
[06:57] <pitti> I ordered some more RAM today, that should help a little
[06:57] <sfllaw> pitti: Sadly, our Pegasus box in the lab doesn't boot off of CDs.
[06:57] <sfllaw> And the lab bandwidth is terrible.
[06:58] <cr3> by the way, ubuntu 6.10 desktop for i386 built on 20061016 didn't install on two machines. I'm currently updating my iso to 20061017, but is that worth reporting while waiting for the download?
[06:58] <Riddell> Kamion: why the rebuild?
[06:58] <sfllaw> cr3: It never hurts to mark down additional information.  Just make sure -fail is in lowercase.
[06:58] <Kamion> Riddell: new d-i
[06:59] <Kamion> fixes a couple of targetted bugs
[06:59] <Kamion> cr3: it always helps if you give more information than "didn't install" when reporting things like that here
[06:59] <Kamion> we cannot possibly tell you if it's worth reporting otherwise
[07:01] <keescook> tfheen: is aolserver4 sitting in the queue somewhere?  dholbach said it was okay to upload yesterday (along with ettercap that looks to have gone through)
[07:01] <cr3> Kamion: oh, I thought the problem might've been known to others in here, so that's why I was so brief. since nobody seems to have encountered such severe installation problems with 20061016, I should definately report it. thanks.
[07:01] <Kamion> cr3: you say that as if there is only one possible mode of installation failure!
[07:01] <Kamion> "the problem"
[07:01] <sfllaw> :)
[07:02] <Kamion> it could be ANYTHING
[07:02] <sfllaw> Aliens from outer space have abducted my installer!
[07:02] <sfllaw> Help!!!
[07:03] <Kamion> my wife says that happened to her with Win95, but sadly they gave it back
[07:03] <Tonio_> mdz: need more infos or is it clear concerning the patch removal ?
[07:04] <Kamion> cr3: seriously, plain "didn't install" always raises my blood pressure, so please just don't say that :-)
[07:06] <cr3> Kamion: I tend to be more brief on irc so I'll just report bugs in malone and copy/paste in Testing/Current. thanks for the tip.
[07:08] <Kamion> sfllaw: for that hang in installer package selection, you didn't accidentally press alt-tab, did you?
[07:09] <Kamion> I was just told about a bug today where cdebconf hangs if you press alt-tab
[07:09] <Kamion> (during a progress bar)
[07:09] <Kamion> I assume it's some crazy code in newt
[07:09] <elmo> argh, something broke C-s in emacs
[07:09] <elmo> so much hate
[07:09] <sfllaw> Kamion: I don't think I did.
[07:09] <ogra> who cares about emacs anyway
[07:09] <sfllaw> I can be careful not to.
[07:10] <ogra> use openoffice
[07:14] <fabbione> mdz: sorry about what?
[07:16] <mdz_> Tonio_: how out of date is kdebindings?
[07:16] <Keybuk> tfheen: new amd64 usplash utterly screws VT 1
[07:17] <Keybuk> at least you can't flip back to it again
[07:17] <mdz_> Tonio_: did the current version originally fail to build, ro did it only start to fail to build due to the other changes?
[07:17] <fabbione> mdz: sorry .. too many test cases for what?
[07:18] <mdz> Tonio_: if the current binaries are up to date and it's just an ftbfs due to the gcj changes, then please go ahead
[07:18] <mdz> fabbione: too many to complete in a reasonable amount of time
[07:18] <Tonio_> mdz: the current version started to fail building when libgcj7-dev was updated, but it has been built and we have binary packages in the repos
[07:18] <Tonio_> mdz: okay I'm uploading, thanks
[07:19] <fabbione> mdz: you mean install tests? or something else? i didn't even get to the test matrix yet. T2000 is still busy rebuildin
[07:20] <mdz> fabbione: I mean installation tests, yes
[07:21] <fabbione> mdz: ok.. let me check the matrix
[07:22] <pitti> fabbione: don't forget the blue pill :)
[07:22] <fabbione> mdz: clearly who did the matrix doesn't know that there are no desktop CD for sparc and that we don't support full desktop
[07:22] <fabbione> mdz: no big deal.. i am going to clean it up
[07:22] <fabbione> same for kubuntu
[07:22] <fabbione> we only support server sparc
[07:23] <sfllaw> fabbione: Ah.
[07:23] <sfllaw> Sorry about that.
[07:23] <sfllaw> fabbione: Do you want me to fix it?
[07:23] <fabbione> sfllaw: do you want to clean up or should I?
[07:23] <sfllaw> I'll do it.
[07:23] <mvo> tfheen: would it be possible to upload another dist-upgrader version? http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/tmp/dist-upgrader_20061017.1916_all.diff <- it fixes one crash for strange dpkg error output and ensures proper upgrading for bzr/tomboy/xserver-xorg-input
[07:23] <fabbione> sfllaw: there is no check cd for sparc either
[07:23] <fabbione> or DVD's
[07:23] <Tonio_> mdz: uploaded thanks
[07:24] <sfllaw> How do you know if the CD's broken then?
[07:24] <sfllaw> And is there a DVD version?
[07:24] <fabbione> sfllaw: when that thing was implemented nobody did it for silo.. so there is no way to execute it AFAIK
[07:24] <sfllaw> Oh.
[07:24] <fabbione> sfllaw: nope.. no DVD's
[07:24] <Kamion> nobody told me about that
[07:24] <sfllaw> Is there also a Netboot for sparc?
[07:24] <fabbione> sfllaw: yes.. netboot is VITAL for sparc
[07:24] <fabbione> it needs more testing than Cd's
[07:25] <sfllaw> OK.  So Netboot + Server CD is all it has.
[07:25] <Kamion> fabbione: er, did you ever try booting the sparc server CD with 'check'?
[07:25] <fabbione> Kamion: i don't blame anybody.. i didn't know about it and when i figured it was too late (like 20 seconds ago)
[07:25] <Kamion> # Media integrity check
[07:25] <Kamion> image[sun4u] =/boot/sparc64
[07:25] <Kamion>   label=check
[07:25] <Kamion>   append="MENU=/bin/cdrom-checker-menu --"
[07:25] <Kamion> ^-- in debian-cd/data/edgy/sparc/silo.conf
[07:25] <sfllaw> fabbione: So is ther Kubuntu support?
[07:25] <fabbione> Kamion: last i checked it was not there..
[07:25] <fabbione> Kamion: EVEN BETTER!
[07:25] <Kamion> that's been there so long I don't remember adding it
[07:26] <fabbione> EVERYBODY HUG KAMION *NOW*!
[07:26] <Kamion> no, don't :)
[07:26] <Riddell> sfllaw: no,there's not
[07:26] <dholbach> sfllaw: I can't do the ppc tests - i have an *ancient* machine
[07:26] <fabbione> Kamion: usually silo does tab complation and it didn't show up for beta.. tho ..well i am happy :)
[07:26] <pitti> hugs, too
[07:27] <sfllaw> dholbach: Can you remove your PPC machine from StaffHardware thaen?
[07:27] <fabbione> sfllaw: anyway the amount of tests are really not balanced
[07:27] <dholbach> sfllaw: I can do one or another alternate/server install, but not so many
[07:27] <fabbione> sfllaw: across the team..
[07:27] <Kamion> fabbione: not saying it's necessarily correct
[07:27] <Kamion> I added it on 2006-01-04
[07:27] <fabbione> Kamion: i will test it tomorrow or so
[07:27] <mdz> mjg59: how do we unintrusively fix bug 60442?
[07:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60442 in gnome-power "Dual / Two Batteries, shutdown on empty expansion battery. (GPM does not recognises second battery on hotplug)" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60442
[07:27] <fabbione> Kamion: i am sure these CDs are not 100% gold yet ;)
[07:27] <sfllaw> dholbach: Hardware on ppc was rough.
[07:28] <mdz> mjg59: given that gpm doesn't seem to understand properly about multiple batteries at all, adding that functionality isn't feasible
[07:28] <sfllaw> People have machines that are old, have no hard disks, broken, etc.
[07:28] <sfllaw> :(
[07:28] <dholbach> sfllaw: it already says "very aged G4" :)
[07:28] <mdz> mjg59: what did it do in dapper?
[07:28] <fabbione> sfllaw: there are people with gazillions of tests and people with none
[07:28] <Kamion> hmm, I never updated gfxboot-theme-ubuntu at the non-langpack translation deadline
[07:28] <dholbach> sfllaw: as I said: I'm happy to do one or another install (hoping that the memory for it will arrive soon), but not all of them
[07:28] <sfllaw> dholbach: It didn't say "Apple Quadra 700".
[07:29] <Kamion> mdz: how would you feel about me doing a quick update from Rosetta there? should be pretty safe and just requires CD rebuilds
[07:29] <sfllaw> fabbione: Who are the people with none?  I tried to fill up everyone from the Devel team.
[07:29] <Kamion> (which I bet are going to happen anyway ...)
[07:29] <sfllaw> Obviously, I can't steal people from kiko.  :)
[07:29] <mdz> Kamion: ok with me
[07:29] <Kamion> thanks. the last translation update was 5 September
[07:29] <fabbione> sfllaw: BenC? seb128 (and not 123!)...
[07:30] <Kamion> and predates the rename of "Install a server" to "Install a command-line system"
[07:30] <BenC> fabbione: Yo
[07:30] <fabbione> BenC: never mind.. i was just reminding sfllaw that you exist
[07:30] <ogra> <- dinner/breakfast/lunch, however you wanna call it ... bbl
[07:31] <fabbione> sfllaw: Kamion is missing from the list.. like our test GOD!
[07:31] <Kamion> dear god, gfxboot-theme-ubuntu has a fledgling Klingon translation now
[07:31] <dholbach> seb123 - LOL
[07:31] <sfllaw> fabbione: Oh, transcription errors.
[07:31] <Treenaks> Kamion: almost 'enterprise-ready' then
[07:31] <sfllaw> I had them written out on a piece of paper.
[07:31] <Kamion> Treenaks: *groan*
[07:31] <Treenaks> Kamion: ;)
[07:31] <Kamion> sfllaw: how quaint
[07:32] <elmo> remember kids, every time you use a winky smiley, jono kills a kitten
[07:32] <sfllaw> ;)
[07:32] <sfllaw> ;)
[07:32] <Treenaks> elmo: ooh! ;) ;) ;) ;)
[07:32] <fabbione> sfllaw: also.. did you send out a mail for global testing?
[07:32] <sfllaw> ;) ;) ;) ;)
[07:32] <Keybuk> ;)
[07:32] <fabbione> ehhehe
[07:32] <bhale> if he kills them with a guitar, sign me up
[07:32] <Treenaks> elmo: he has to eat _something_
[07:32] <sivang> elmo: ahah, true
[07:32] <sfllaw> fabbione: I have a draft.
[07:32] <sivang> I lost my online emotions for a while after reading his blog post
[07:33] <sivang> actually it was nice feeling so cool and emotionless for a while, but then people are winking at you...wont'ya wink them back?
[07:33] <mdz> mjg59: we don't have any laptops with two batteries around, so if you feel this bug is this important, I'll need your help to do anything about it
[07:33] <sivang> bhale: you play ?
[07:33] <sfllaw> Kamion: Do we know when those "out of date, do not test yet" images will be up to date?
[07:33] <bhale> sivang: barely, these days
[07:33] <sfllaw> Kamion: Or should we get users thrown at the Alternates first?
[07:34] <mjg59> mdz: Right
[07:35] <sivang> bhale: you should practice or your wrist will stiffen
[07:35] <sivang> bhale: I do wrist practice to not let it go bad although I have played a note since ages
[07:36] <_ion> Yay, artists.
[07:36] <sivang> s/have/haven\'t/
[07:37] <_ion> Why escape the '?
[07:37] <mdz> mjg59: I looked at the code a bit and I don't see why it would behave differently in dapper
[07:37] <mjg59> mdz: I have no rational explanation, merely the observation that it doesn't happen in dapper
[07:39] <Treenaks> _ion: for the people with strict parsing auto-replacing irc clients ;)
[07:39] <seb128> fabbione: thank you for reminding people to give me extra work :p
[07:39] <fabbione> seb128: no.. for you was just a mispell :)
[07:39] <fabbione> seb128: or do you feel downgraded to sev123 ?
[07:39] <seb128> hehe
[07:39] <seb128> no, I just didn't feel concerned since I don't know that seb123
[07:39] <fabbione> sfllaw: note that also BenC has sparc...
[07:39] <dholbach> seb128: we all know how much you like your name mispellt
[07:40] <mdke_> Kamion: no, that's not built/shipped by default - it's just in our svn tree. We can exclude it from the source package if that helps
[07:40] <dholbach> :-)
[07:40] <seb128> anyway downloading DVD will take some time for me
[07:40] <seb128> I've just CD images handy atm
[07:40] <seb128> and my dsl is not that fast
[07:40] <mdke_> Kamion: (I hope it's not out of date though)
[07:42] <sfllaw> seb128: rsync?
[07:42] <seb128> sfllaw: rsync works fine when you have a base :)
[07:42] <sfllaw> Start downloading now!
[07:42] <sfllaw> :)
[07:42] <seb128> will do
[07:42] <seb128> it's just going to take 1 day
[07:42] <sfllaw> Yeah.
[07:43] <sfllaw> The Montreal office's connexion is not much better.
[07:43] <fabbione> seb128: cat alternate.iso > dvd.iso
[07:43] <sfllaw> It takes us a day to get the DVD as well.
[07:43] <fabbione> seaLne: cat live.iso >> dvd.iso
[07:43] <fabbione> rsync
[07:43] <fabbione> seb128: ^^
[07:43] <fabbione> or was the other way around?
[07:43] <seb128> fabbione: right, should give a start :)
[07:43] <sfllaw> The live portion comes after?
[07:43] <fabbione> iirc it comes first
[07:43] <sfllaw> Yeah.
[07:43] <sfllaw> That makes more sense.
[07:43] <sfllaw> cat live.iso alternate.iso > dvd.iso
[07:43] <sfllaw> You know, because it concatenates?
[07:43] <fabbione> Kamion: does live comes first on dvd?
[07:44] <fabbione> sfllaw: yeah.. i am old lazy schoo
[07:44] <fabbione> l
[07:45] <sfllaw> fabbione: Your cat didn't concat files?!?
[07:45] <fabbione> sfllaw: it probably did.. but i was learning pipes and concats at the time and you know.. once you learn one way you keep it that way
[07:46] <dholbach> sfllaw: I'm happy to do some amd64 installs instead and some server installs or something easy on ppc
[07:47] <sfllaw> dholbach: I've got you down for desktop Edubuntu PPC installs.
[07:47] <sfllaw> The check CD and live session tasks are easy.
[07:47] <dholbach> I noticed, that's why I said it :)
[07:47] <dholbach> I know
[07:47] <sfllaw> Is that still too much?
[07:47] <dholbach> but not on a VERY AGED G4 :)
[07:47] <sfllaw> Ah.
[07:47] <sfllaw> I still work on a PII, you know.
[07:47] <dholbach> I don't mind test-installing
[07:48] <dholbach> the problem is that I didn't get the memory for it yet - I hope it'll be there tomorrow, but I can't promise
[07:48] <sfllaw> If you go down from three installs to two, is that good enough?
[07:48] <sfllaw> Oh.
[07:48] <sfllaw> I get it.
[07:48] <dholbach> I'm happy to do other installs
[07:48] <dholbach> no problem
[07:48] <sfllaw> I'm slow today.
[07:48] <sfllaw> Someone gave me the cold.
[07:49] <fabbione> sfllaw: you are really tempting me..
[07:49] <dholbach> fabbione: tempting how?
[07:49] <fabbione> to say s/ today//
[07:50] <sfllaw> :)
[07:55] <dholbach> sfllaw: Ok, rsyncing.
[07:57] <Lure> mdz: which bug with dual battery?
[08:00] <Lure> mdz: I got it in backlog - bug 60442 - I can try this as I have looked g-p-m code when implementing kde-powermanager multibattery
[08:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60442 in gnome-power "Dual / Two Batteries, shutdown on empty expansion battery. (GPM does not recognises second battery on hotplug)" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60442
[08:02] <mdz> Lure: any help you can provide would be appreciated
[08:10] <Lure> mdz: the problem is that multi-battery support in g-p-m is limted to presenting remaining time properly, while low/critical is done on battery events - which means that every battery getting to critical state will cause problems
[08:11] <Lure> mdz: it will work somehow only on laptop that discharge both batteries at the same time (not that many) and if batteries are of similar capacity :-(
[08:15] <bhale> I admit it is annoying to get a notification when my first battery runs out, but i doubt that is a huge install base
[08:15] <mjg59> bhale: The default behaviour is then to hibernate
[08:15] <bhale> oh, I've surely changed that first thing
[08:15] <Lure> mdz: quick (dirty) fix could be to use remaing from cache instead of from single battery (this is what we do in kde-powermanager)
[08:15] <mdz> Lure: why was it better in dapper and how can we revert to it?
[08:16] <Lure> mdz: I do not know (not gnome person), but I suspect that g-p-m did not use events to trigger critical action
[08:16] <mdz> the code was there, maybe it was somehow broken
[08:16] <mdz> in which case we should simply disable it in edgy to avoid this regression
[08:17] <mdz> we could just default to doing nothing on a critical event, and let the user change it if they like
[08:17] <Lure> mdz: it may have used battery property change event instead and just reclaculated levels at that time
[08:17] <Lure> mdz: we could hack a quick solution, but I am not sure if it is the right time to include it so late
[08:19] <Lure> mjg59: are you looking at the g-p-m code?
[08:20] <mjg59> Yes
[08:21] <Lure> mjg59: if we would pass gpm_manager_get_warning_type() status from cache (which is cumulative for all primary batteries), then warning level would be properly calculated
[08:21] <mjg59> Lure: I agree
[08:22] <Lure> mjg59: I am just not sure how big surgery would this be
[08:22] <mjg59> Lure: Well, it needs to be slightly more complicated than that.
[08:22] <mjg59> Lure: Since otherwise you'll never get low reporting for bluetooth devices
[08:23] <Lure> mjg59: no, because there are different callbacks for different types
[08:23] <mjg59> Lure: Oh, sorry, I see what you mean
[08:23] <Lure> mjg59: we would just pull type_status in battery_status_changed_primary()
[08:24] <Lure> mjg59: see battery_kind_cache_update() for cache version
[08:25] <Lure> mjg59: I know that part as I used this as refernce for all pecularities when implementing kde-pm
[08:26] <mjg59> Lure: Right. I agree.
[08:27] <mjg59> battery_status_changed_primary should look at the battery_status entry of the cache, not the status provided by the individual battery
[08:27] <Lure> mjg59: we would need to call battery_kind_cache_find (power, PRIMARY) to get entry and then pass entry->battery_status to gpm_manager_get_warning_type()
[08:27] <Lure> exactly
[08:28] <mjg59> Lure: That sounds like a demonstrably correct and non-invasive change
[08:28] <Lure> mjg59: it is correct, not sure if it is the thing the author of g-p-m would do though ;-)
[08:28] <mjg59> Lure: It's the minimal invasive change and we don't have time to do anything else :)
[08:29] <Lure> mjg59: and true, it is not as dirty as I though initially
[08:30] <Lure> mjg59: I can try building something, but it will be the fisrt gnome build for me ;-)
[08:31] <Lure> mjg59: I can test on my dual-battery hp nw8240 (as I have still test gnome install used to check how ubuntu does laptop support)
[08:32] <mjg59> Lure: Cool
[08:32] <mjg59> Lure: Oh, wait. Do we want to update the cache before doing the cache_find?
[08:33] <Lure> mjg59: I suspect it is already up-to-date as it gets updated on battery propertly change event
[08:33] <mjg59> And that happens before the manager update?
[08:33] <Lure> I suspect this is before critical/low warning event
[08:33] <Lure> but would need to test
[08:33] <mjg59> Ok
[08:33] <mjg59> It's an extra line in the worst case
[08:34] <mjg59> Lure: Every reference to battery_status needs to be changed to type_status in the rest of battery_status_changed_primary
[08:35] <mjg59> But not the ones before the warning state is grabbed
[08:36] <Lure> mjg59: not sure regarding before ones though
[08:37] <Lure> mjg59: if one of two is charging, then we should reset warning to NONE, no?
[08:37] <Lure> mjg59: my HP charge first the built-in, then external and sure any one charging means that we are on AC
[08:38] <Lure> mjg59: so no warnings should be issued
[08:39] <Lure> mjg59: only not sure about fully charged -> do we want one for each battery or only one notify when both are charged (this is what kde-pm does)
[08:40] <mjg59> Lure: Ah, I see what you mean
[08:40] <mjg59> Yeah, ok, that makes sense
[08:40] <cbx33> hmm.....firefox is refusing to start in edgy....
[08:40] <cbx33> I installed from the 16 build
[08:40] <cbx33> copied my home dir from nmy old dapper
[08:41] <cbx33> it said it was checking the plugins/extensions....
[08:41] <cbx33> that took forever, and to my knowledge I didn't have many/any installed
[08:41] <cbx33> now it just hangs
[08:41] <cbx33> no gui no nothing
[08:41] <cbx33> the process is there
[08:41] <cbx33> strace yeilds lots of futex and gettimeofday
[08:42] <mjg59> Lure: Of course, there's the problem that gpm-manager can't call battery_kind_cache_find directly...
[08:42] <Lure> mjg59: why not?
[08:42] <Lure> static?
[08:42] <mjg59> Oh, yeah
[08:43] <Lure> mjg59: what about gpm_power_get_battery_status() - this is called from gpm-manager.c
[08:43] <mjg59> Lure: Just make them non-static
[08:44] <mjg59> Oh, wait, yeah. That might be cleaner.
[08:44] <mjg59> Yeah, go with that.
[08:44] <mjg59> It looks perfect.
[08:44] <Lure> mjg59: it looks like this is external wrapper for cahce_fine
[08:45] <mjg59> Yup
[08:45] <Lure> cache_find too
[08:45] <Lure> mjg59: but this is already done in power_battery_status_changed_cb() :-(
[08:46] <mjg59> Wurgh.
[08:49] <mjg59> Lure: Yes, that looks awkwardly like it should work
[08:50] <Lure> mjg59: something else confuses gpm_manager_get_warning_type()
[08:51] <mjg59> No, here is fine
[08:52] <mjg59> I can't see how get_warning_type could be doing anything wrong
[08:52] <mjg59> Which leaves me wondering about the contents of the cache
[08:53] <Lure> mjg59: use_time might be tricky if cache value is bad - see comment in line 2808
[08:55] <mjg59> Which file?
[08:55] <Lure> gpm-manager.c
[08:55] <Lure> mjg59: search for GPM_PREF_USE_TIME_POLICY
[08:55] <mjg59> Ah, yeah
[08:56] <mjg59> The cache calculations may be wrong when one battery empties?
[08:57] <mjg59> Lure: I think we're going to have to do this the hard way, add some debugging and then see what actually happens when the changeover occurs
[08:57] <Lure> mjg59: not sure how (I am using similar for kde-pm and works for me
[09:00] <Lure> mjg59: only questionable code in cache is for me use of percentage_charge before being set in the check in lgpm-power.c:973
[09:01] <Lure> mjg59: percentage_charge is set later :-(
[09:03] <mjg59> Lure: I can't see why that would result in bad things, though
[09:03] <Lure> mjg59: and this might be exactly the case: one battery just empty (so disharging is false), the other still not reporting it is discharging
[09:03] <mjg59> Ah
[09:04] <mjg59> Yeah
[09:04] <mjg59> Ok. It's probably worth fixing that, then
[09:04] <Lure> mjg59: but then, the percentage check is not needed
[09:04] <mjg59> Yes
[09:05] <mjg59> Right now, it looks like it'll never go through that block
[09:05] <Lure> mjg59: it will sure not get in
[09:06] <mjg59> So you think in this case we'd end up with type_battery not reporting either state?
[09:06] <Lure> mjg59: and I have seen both charging/discharging being false on my machine when fully charged
[09:07] <Lure> mjg59: never monitored hal events when switching from travel to built-in though
[09:07] <Lure> mjg59: do you have contacts with upstream author?
[09:08] <mjg59> Yeah
[09:08] <mjg59> Lure: Would you mind commenting in the upstreaem bug?
[09:08] <Lure> mjg59: upstream bug?
[09:08] <mjg59> Linked to from the one in Launchpad
[09:08] <Lure> mjg59: I see - I can add some points there...
[09:09] <mjg59> Thanks!
[09:09] <Lure> ;-)
[09:15] <mvo> mdz:  would it be possible to upload another dist-upgrader version? http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/tmp/dist-upgrader_20061017.1916_all.diff <- it fixes one crash for strange dpkg error output and ensures proper upgrading for bzr/tomboy/xserver-xorg-input (I asked tfheen earlier, but he is currently away apparently)
[09:16] <sladen> Lure: is that the multiple batteries?  I think there might be two problems (a) g-p-m not coping with multiple batteries.  (b) Us not handling hotplug events and fixing out how to get ACPI to 're-probe' for new batteries---I'm not entirely sure how to do the latter
[09:16] <keescook> permission (and sponsorship) for a main upload?  fixes bug 65763.  debdiff/changes: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kees/edgy-fixes/
[09:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65763 in xorg "X configuration fails with NFS root (simple fix)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65763
[09:16] <Lure> sladen: g-p-m has code for multi battery, but probably buggy in some special case
[09:16] <mjg59> sladen: No, the kernel deals with battery hotplug fine
[09:17] <Lure> mjg59: it does (at least here)
[09:17] <Lure> mjg59: not sure how g-p-m handles it though
[09:18] <Lure> sladen: bug is not linked just with plug/unplug battery, but also when both are loaded and first gets empty
[09:18] <sladen> mjg59: I thought I saw that it only copes with battery hotplug /if/ /booted/ with both batteries inserted
[09:18] <mjg59> sladen: No
[09:18] <mjg59> Batteries are fine
[09:19] <sladen> okay.  I don't have a Ultrabay battery to test
[09:19] <mjg59> There's two types of evaluation with batteries
[09:19] <mjg59> Whether the battery object is present, and whether there's actually a battery present
[09:19] <keescook> mdz: since tfheen is out, can I ping you for upload permission?  (see above for bug and url)
[09:19] <mjg59> The battery object is always present, so the kernel has no problem
[09:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63123 in acpi-support "battery info does not change after hibernate (HP nw8240)" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63123
[09:20] <Lure> sladen: ^^ this is probably kernel bug
[09:20] <Lure> sladen: but not relatated ;-)
[09:21] <mjg59> Who is townsonu2003?
[09:21] <mjg59> towsonu2003, rather
[09:22] <sladen> mjg59: so BAT1 is present in the DSDT, but not populated?
[09:22] <mjg59> sladen: It's present and the _STA method evaluates to true
[09:22] <Burgwork> mjg59:  I have seen him in -marketing once or twice
[09:22] <mjg59> Because he keeps reassigning random bugs to acpi-support
[09:23] <mjg59> And I'd quite like him to stop
[09:24] <Burgwork> mjg59: I have his email, you want to email him
[09:27] <mdz> mvo: eating
[09:27] <mdz> mvo: will have a look though
[09:27] <mdz> keescook: yes
[09:28] <mdz> keescook: looks ok
[09:28] <keescook> mdz: great, thanks.
[09:29] <mvo> mdz: no rush, thanks
[09:29] <mdz> mvo: ok to upload
[09:31] <mvo> thanks mdz!
[09:31] <keescook> mvo: have a second to sign my upload?  :)
[09:32] <mvo> keescook: please /msg me details
[09:33] <bluefoxicy> bah there is no #ubuntu-legal
[09:33] <Lure> mjg59: added note to gnome #361583
[09:33] <Ubugtu> Gnome bug 361583 in gnome-power-manager "With Two Batteries, Twice as many Notification Bubbles" [Minor,New]  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=361583
[09:37] <Burgwork> bluefoxicy: what is the issue?
[09:38] <bluefoxicy> Burgwork:  I'm confused about the MIT license is all, it seems to require "the above copyright notice and this permission notice" to be in tact but the disclaimer is below that and not mentioned as needed in tact.
[09:40] <bluefoxicy> Burgwork:  Copyright (c) 2006 SomePerson, with no disclaimer of no warranty, when a second hand redistributes?  That sounds like it could put the copyright holder at risk; but I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know.
[09:49] <mdz> Lure: is there hope?
[09:51] <Lure> mdz: I will try to reproduce it (need to boot in gnome), if not I may build a test version to try for bug reporters - but it is still just theory...
[09:56] <ajmitch> morning all
[09:57] <sivang> hey ajmitch
[09:58] <sfllaw> bluefoxicy: The best thing to do is to reproduce the entire copyright notice as well as the warranty disclaimer.
[09:59] <bluefoxicy> sfllaw:  I'm the one writing the software ;)
[10:08] <tfheen> keescook: aolserver4> universe; no idea.
[10:09] <keescook> tfheen: should I re-upload it?
[10:10] <tfheen> mvo: new dist-upgrader> looks ok.
[10:10] <mvo> tfheen: thanks
[10:11] <seb128> are uploads still accepted?
[10:21] <tfheen> seb128: what is it that you want uploaded?
[10:23] <seb128> tfheen: dbus-glib to get a dbgsym, can probably wait after edgy though, I just noticed that there was no debug package when trying to get a debug bt for a crash bug
[10:23] <seb128> those dbgsym are handy, I'm becoming lazy to build a debug package :)
[10:25] <tfheen> seb128: while useful; edgy+1?
[10:26] <seb128> tfheen: works for me
[10:26] <pitti> seb128: [nice to see them being useful]
[10:26] <seb128> pitti: yeah, they rock
[10:26] <seb128> and apport rocks too, I really like the coredump attached
[10:26] <seb128> I can get debug backtraces without relying on the submitter
[10:27] <tfheen> keescook: sorry for being slow getting back to you; a reupload shouldn't be needed.
[10:27] <seb128> and print variables from gdb, etc
[10:27] <seb128> pitti: you rock :)
[10:27] <tfheen> keescook: I'll chase it up
[10:27] <pitti> seb128: and you!
[10:27] <keescook> tfheen: okay, no problem.  it's not high priority.  :)
[10:27] <seb128> pitti: thank *you* :)
[10:27] <desrt> goodday, buntus
[10:30] <pitti> hey desrt
[10:30] <desrt> pitti; got some flowers for your hair?
[10:30] <pitti> desrt: will bring some!
[10:31] <mvo> can someone approve my dist-upgrader upload please?
[10:31] <pitti> desrt: in fact, I'm looking for a nice hostel ATM
[10:32] <desrt> pitti; not staying at the hotel?
[10:32] <desrt> or are you staying past the conference?
[10:33] <pitti> desrt: well, during the conference we will, of course, but not after it for some holidays
[10:33] <desrt> cool :)
[10:33] <pitti> hey rodarvus!
[10:33] <desrt> 1 week is already a lot of time to miss.
[10:33] <Kamion> mdke_: it is out of date - I said that because I'd checked :)
[10:33] <rodarvus> hi pitti :)
[10:33] <mdke_> Kamion: I downloaded it last week - shall I update it?
[10:33] <Kamion> fabbione: live coming first> no idea, check the extents with isoinfo. probably
[10:34] <ajmitch> pitti: what hotel are you at during the UDS week?
[10:35] <seb128> desrt: hi. Did you mail Claire about UDS?
[10:35] <Kamion> mdke_: as I say, it should be updated automatically on a regular basis
[10:35] <Kamion> things that require human intervention will inevitably get out of date
[10:35] <Kamion> (I have another update pending)
[10:36] <Kamion> sfllaw: I'm rebuilding the livefses now, but I'm off to bed shortly
[10:36] <desrt> seb128; yes.  i did.
[10:36] <mdke_> Kamion: that would require a fair bit of work, and I don't have access to the server either. I'll update it shortly before Edgy goes out for the website
[10:36] <seb128> desrt: ok, just making sure :)
[10:36] <Kamion> sfllaw: alternates are close to RC now, so those are good to test
[10:37] <desrt> seb128; i have yet to book my flight.  will do that tomorrow or later today
[10:37] <seb128> desrt: k
[10:37] <Kamion> sfllaw: either desktops will need to wait until tomorrow morning, or hassle somebody else in /people/ubuntu-cdimage to build them once the 'buildlive' processes running as cdimage@lithium (livefs builds) have finished
[10:37] <Burgwork> desrt: is your hotel in SF?
[10:37] <desrt> Burgwork; pitti, i think you mea
[10:39] <Kamion> mvo: dist-upgrader accepted
[10:40] <Kamion> mdke_: ok, thanks. it is out of date at present
[10:45] <mdke_> Kamion: will add to todo list, when do you think the last upload will be before Edgy?
[10:46] <sivang> can we still upload fixes to universe?
[10:47] <tfheen> mdke_: we're going to accept some select updates on Friday.  Unless we see serious regressions when RC is out or in those, that's the last uploads for edgy main.
[10:48] <mdke_> tfheen: sorry, I mean the last upload of installation-guide
[10:48] <Kamion> mdke_: tomorrow probably
[10:49] <Kamion> tfheen:   * en/appendix/preseed.xml, en/using-d-i/modules/lilo-installer.xml: Device
[10:49] <mdke_> Kamion: great.
[10:49] <Kamion>     name updates for no-more-devfs.
[10:49] <Kamion> tfheen: ^-- pending installation-guide changelog
[10:49] <Kamion> tfheen: I could upload it now, maybe
[10:51] <mvo> thanks Kamion
[10:52] <Kamion> tfheen: unapproved main: xorg/1:7.1.1ubuntu5 kdebindings/4:3.5.4-0ubuntu2 python-setuptools/0.6c3-1ubuntu4 xfdesktop4/<IP_ADDRESS>svn+r23428-0ubuntu2 human-cursors-theme/0.4-0ubuntu1 qt4-x11/4.2.0-1ubuntu5 python-central/0.5.6ubuntu2
[10:54] <Kamion> tfheen: infinity/mdz will have to handle the queue when they're around; I need to go now
[10:55] <mdz> I'm here
[10:55] <mdz> for a bit
[10:56] <Kamion> I've accepted my gfxboot-theme-ubuntu upload, since mdz approved it earlier (translation updates)
[10:56] <Kamion> otherwise, got to run
[10:57] <Kamion> mdz: see my comment about live CD builds above, once the buildlive processes are all gone
[10:57] <mdz> Kamion: I can't stay long myself, need sleep
[10:58] <mdz> didn't quite nail my $TZ change
[10:58] <mdz> but I'll check before I go
[10:58] <mdz> Kamion: gfxboot-theme-ubuntu isn't needed for RC?
[11:07] <mdz> I'm heading back to the hotel but will be back online from there to do desktop CD builds
[11:08] <Lure> mjg59: booted gnome, but cannot get g-p-m icon in tray
[11:08] <Lure> mjg59: did change option as always show icon, but does not help - any idea
[11:21] <tfheen> Kamion: sorry, was afk
[11:22] <tfheen> Kamion: what's the xorg diff?
[11:23] <tfheen> mdz: once you're around; what's the diff for xorg?
[11:23] <tfheen> mdz: python-setuptools and python-central are approved.
[11:30] <rem64> hi all
[11:31] <BHSPitLappy> yo
[11:31] <rem64> is there someone here?
[11:33] <keescook> tfheen: is that the xorg upload with my name on it? mdz approved it for fixing bug 65763
[11:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65763 in xorg "X configuration fails with NFS root (simple fix)" [Undecided,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65763
[11:34] <tfheen> keescook: ok, looks sane.  That is, if NFS is sane in any way.
[11:34] <keescook> hehe
[11:43] <sivang> Feisty , then it is :)
[11:44] <tfheen> mdz: 23:23 < tfheen> mdz: python-setuptools and python-central are approved.
[11:44] <tfheen> mdz: xorg seems approvable too.
[11:46] <mdz> tfheen: they're needed for RC?
[11:47] <tfheen> mdz: python-central fixes two RC bugs, at least.  We can accept it after RC if you'd rather have us do that.
[11:48] <tfheen> python-setuptools isn't needed for RC, but it allows the use of -setuptools without 2.5
[11:48] <mdz> tfheen: the python-central diff I saw looked non-trivial; how much review and testing has it seen?
[11:49] <mdz> new set of ubuntu/desktop CDs are now up
[11:49] <mdz> sfllaw: ^^
[11:49] <tfheen> mdz: doko and mvo worked together a fair bit on reproducing the errors and fixing them today.
[12:03] <mdz> tfheen: I've stared at it a bit more and I hope that it fixes more than it could break
[12:03] <mdz> accepted that and xorg
[12:04] <mdz> but I'm not convinced we should ditch the current candidate for these fixes; we will need all the time we can get to validate it
[12:04] <mdz> kubuntu and edubuntu desktop builds in progress now
[12:05] <tfheen> mdz: agreed.
[12:06] <ogra> only desktop ?
[12:06] <tfheen> mdz: I have no idea about kdebindings, qt4-x11 and xfdesktop4 in the queue and I am reluctant to accept human-cursors-theme.
[12:06] <mdz> ogra: yes
[12:06] <mdz> Oct 17 21:36:58 <Kamion>        sfllaw: alternates are close to RC now, so those
[12:06] <mdz>  are good to test
[12:06] <mdz> tfheen: kdebindings is an ftbfs fix and it isn't out of date, so it's not urgent
[12:07] <sfllaw> Hurray!
[12:07] <sfllaw> Will download now.


[14:46] <jrgifford> paultag: thanks for your time yesterday. helped my friend a lot.
[15:30] <paultag> jrgifford: no problem at all, always happy to help with gov't data
[15:30] <paultag> it's quite literally my job
[17:45] <_bbb> theres an app for that
[17:56] <jrgifford> heh. :)


[01:33] <GH0> Hello, I am trying to fix certain applications from not showing up in the KDE Menu. I ran "kbuildsycoca4 -noincremental" however, when I do that, it complains about two files that don't appear in the menu to begin with. I checked their package with debsums -sc and it doesn't report anything back. So I was wondering how to go about replacing the files located in /usr/share/applications/
[01:33] <GH0> Is it possible to reinstall them somehow?
[01:33] <GH0> The error is as follows:
[01:33] <GH0> kbuildsycoca4(12617) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry Keywords in "/usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop" is not compliant with XDG standard (missing trailing semicolon).
[01:33] <GH0> kbuildsycoca4(12617) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry Categories in "/usr/share/applications/kde4/k4dirstat.desktop" is not compliant with XDG standard (missing trailing semicolon).
[01:33] <FloodBotK1> GH0: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:50] <valorie> GH0: did you try sudo apt-get install --reinstall <packagename>?
[03:50] <valorie> in a konsole
[03:51] <valorie> or just right-click on the menu and 'edit applications'?
[03:51] <valorie> which is what I would try first
[03:53] <GH0> I tried reinstalling with aptitude, disnt use that flag with apt-get though. I didnt try that, can right now.. hold on
[03:54] <valorie> ah, I haven't used aptitude for a long, long time
[03:54] <GH0> If i try roght clicking, i get presented with "Unable to contact Khotkeys"
[03:54] <valorie> oooo
[03:55] <valorie> sec
[03:55] <GH0> Though, i can bypass that and into the menu i think
[03:55] <GH0> I just dont see what caused the problem in the first p
[03:56] <GH0> bah... first placw
[03:56] <GH0> place
[03:56] <GH0> dang large hands and tiny tablet keys
[04:14] <luis__> hola que tal como estas
[04:15] <Unit193> !es
[07:02] <infrid_> hi
[09:07] <KubuntuUser3a0f0> 0hai
[09:08] <KubuntuUser3a0f0> I am a freaking idiot, I have ruined my KDE
[09:08] <KubuntuUser3a0f0> Now it looks like a half-butted blend of KDE and Gnome
[09:10] <KubuntuUser3a0f0> Applications and Places buttons (but without text on them) and icons-only task manager in top bar, no bottom bar, tray and _analog_ clock in the middle of my screen
[09:10] <KubuntuUser3a0f0> How do I restore the desktop?
[10:13] <lj> helo
[10:13] <lj> :)
[10:17] <juancarlospaco> :)
[10:37] <lj> moze głupie pytanie pierwszy raz uzywam irca zna ktos jakis irc z php?
[10:51] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:33] <juancarlospaco> hehehehehe
[11:34] <BluesKaj> juancarlospaco, ok , what's so funny ?
[11:35] <juancarlospaco> I try to implement something kde cant find a tutorial or documentation that its not auto-generated-like BluesKaj
[11:36] <BluesKaj> juancarlospaco, what are you looking for ?'
[11:36] <juancarlospaco> I want to implement at least one of this two things:  kate-kdevelop snippets thingy OR kde themes menu on the menubar thingy  BluesKaj
[11:37] <juancarlospaco> on python
[11:37] <BluesKaj> ok , that's beyond my scope , juancarlospaco
[11:38] <juancarlospaco> ditto BluesKaj
[11:38] <BluesKaj> you might ask in #kubuntu-devel or #kde
[11:38] <juancarlospaco> yeah
[11:38] <juancarlospaco> they told read the source code BluesKaj
[11:38] <juancarlospaco> hehehehehe
[11:38] <BluesKaj> nice :(
[11:39] <smartboyhw> juancarlospaco, now, you should apply for Season of KDE at season.kde.org
[11:39] <smartboyhw> to implement the idea;P
[11:42] <juancarlospaco> what idea ?
[11:42] <juancarlospaco> :O
[11:43] <juancarlospaco> I want that menu that changes color of the window
[11:43] <juancarlospaco> or the snippets api
[11:43] <juancarlospaco> I know C++ but im not goind to read all that stuff to try to understand it
[11:44] <juancarlospaco> I will go with a pure Qt gui and paste.kde.org api
[11:44] <juancarlospaco> I think...
[11:44] <smartboyhw> juancarlospaco, better ask in #kde-soc
[11:45] <juancarlospaco> whats soc
[11:47] <juancarlospaco> it socs
[11:47] <juancarlospaco> :P
[11:48] <smartboyhw> juancarlospaco, eh anyway just go there and ask
[11:49] <juancarlospaco> k
[16:32] <cordawyn_> Hello! Could anyone help me "pacify" KDE daemon that keeps prompting me to install "Flash" package every time I start rekonq?
[16:33] <cordawyn_> well, apart from installing Flash ;-)
[16:36] <BluesKaj> cordawyn_, I think it's a bug , if youtube works ok , then flash is working
[16:37] <BluesKaj> try a different browser , to see if you receive the same message
[16:39] <BluesKaj> rconk isn't quite ready for use as a default browser IMO, I get segfaults once in a while , and my bank site insists rekonq isn't setup to receive cookies
[16:40] <cordawyn_> BluesKaj: I agree that there's room for improvement for rekonq, but this KDE daemon prompt is what annoys me the most for now
[16:45] <BluesKaj> well, you can file a bug on launchpad , but I doubt it will get much attention, there's a queue for rekonq bugfixes that goes back many yrs now, cordawyn_
[21:15] <GH0> So thanks to something, Google Chrome is now the default browser and even if I go through the file associations and tell Firefox to be the default browser, everything is still opened in chrome. Can I just delete all the kde files that associated with this account and will the be recreated on next login? Or is there a better way out there to do this. I also attempted xdg-settings and that failed as well.
[21:25] <valorie> GH0: have you checked with a new user?
[21:25] <valorie> or looked in .config ?
[21:25] <valorie> I mean ~/.config
[21:36] <TheMysteryMan> hey can anyone help me?
[21:36] <TheMysteryMan> my grub bootloader always fail's to install
[21:36] <Darthfrog1> Perhaps.
[21:37] <valorie> TheMysteryMan: have you looked at
[21:37] <valorie> !grub
[21:37] <valorie> ?
[21:37] <TheMysteryMan> i used to have ubuntu before switching to this and it worked fine
[21:37] <TheMysteryMan> no errors during installation of ubuntu
[21:38] <Darthfrog1> TheMysteryMan:  Also, make sure that the drive mappings are correct and that you are really installing it on your boot drive.
[21:38] <TheMysteryMan> i am
[21:38] <TheMysteryMan> is there a way to install it on a system with a 1.5 tb hard drive and a 1 tb hard drive
[21:39] <Darthfrog1> Yes.  Should be no problem.
[21:39] <TheMysteryMan> i have problems installing it on an efi system:(
[21:39] <Darthfrog1> Do yourself a favour and install it on both drives. :)
[21:39] <Darthfrog1> Ah, don't know anything about EFI.
[21:39] <Darthfrog1> !efi
[21:42] <TheMysteryMan> thnx
[21:44] <TheMysteryMan> itt says : an error occured during the repair
[21:45] <TheMysteryMan> should i set my drives to AHCI,IDE or raid?
[21:49] <Darthfrog1> AHCI is the best.
[21:49] <Darthfrog1> Advanced Host Controller Interface
[21:49] <Darthfrog1> You always want AHCI with a SSD, BTW.
[21:50] <Darthfrog1> !ahci
[21:50] <TheMysteryMan> but i have a normal sata drive
[21:51] <TheMysteryMan> do i set it to IDE for EFI or AHCI
[21:51] <Darthfrog1> Right.
[21:51] <Darthfrog1> AHCI.
[21:51] <TheMysteryMan> but it is set to ahci and it still doesent work:(
[21:51] <TheMysteryMan> heres my ubuntu pastebin log
[21:51] <TheMysteryMan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5971425/
[21:57] <TheMysteryMan> imah try updating my bios
[23:08] <nilton> hi
[23:09] <nilton> sombody from Brazil???