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[07:48] <acheronuk> apw: any chance you could look at those kubuntu artful new sources this week?
[07:50] <acheronuk> ^^^ or anyone for that matter!
[08:10] <apw> acheronuk, btw, is this more of your split out or is this really new stuff
[08:13] <acheronuk> apw: yes, again it's where upstream has split/modularised old huge sources
[08:13] <acheronuk> apw: 1st 2 sections here: https://phabricator.kde.org/T5113
[08:14]  * acheronuk notes the misc section needs updating there, but is not an issue for this
[08:15] <acheronuk> https://community.kde.org/Applications/16.12_Release_Notes#Tarballs_that_we_have_split
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[09:09] <ginggs> are autopkgtest results going missing?  I could have sworn I requested r-bioc-ebseq with a bunch of R triggers and saw it start at http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running - but nothing here http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/r-bioc-ebseq/artful/amd64
[09:12] <Laney><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:18] <ginggs> Laney: thanks, how did you find that?
[09:19] <Laney> ginggs: By going to https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-artful/?format=plain&prefix=artful/amd64/r/r-bioc-ebseq/
[09:20] <doko> why does update_excuses show gcc-6-cross-ports on ppc64el as missing?
[09:21] <ginggs> Laney: i see the problem, thanks!
[09:23] <Laney> ginggs: np
[09:25] <Laney> ginggs: it's a bit annoying that we lose requests like that
[09:25] <Laney> problem is it happens before we find out the version of the tested package so we can't tie it back to the request
[09:26] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/auto-package-testing/+bug/1641888
[09:26] <Laney> interesting
[09:26]  * Laney sort of forgot about that
[09:27] <apw> doko, because you are overriding the binary package versions, and your package ftbfs on amd64/i386 at 29ubuntu1 but ppc64el did not.  therefore your latest upload did not replace those binaries
[09:28] <apw> doko, therefore they are from the previous one, or at least britney thinks they are
[09:28] <doko> ugh
[09:28] <apw> doko, i am suspicious they _are_ from the previous one
[09:28] <apw> doko, though why they didn't fail to upload i do not know
[09:29] <doko> yes, I killed th 20ubuntu1 and 20ubuntu2 builds
[09:29] <doko> but what to do now? the binaries built from 20ubuntu3 should be ok
[09:29] <apw> doko, well if they collided and did not upload then they arn't the ones in the pocket
[09:30] <apw> doko, you cannot reuse version numbers and you did, so ...
[09:30] <doko> hmm, then I'll just upload again :-/
[09:30]  * apw cannot find the upload.log
[09:30] <apw> to find out if they did upload or not
[09:31] <apw> ie whether your reuse has confused britney or she is right
[09:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: google-cloud-sdk (trusty-proposed/partner) [140.0.0-0ubuntu1~14.04 => 154.0.0-0ubuntu1~14.04.0] (no packageset)
[09:51] <Laney> do we show a notification or anything when you're on an EOL release on desktop?
[09:54] <apw> Laney, i assume it keeps telling you there is something to upgrade to, that really should say "And what you are on is DEAD"
[09:55] <apw> Laney, but i am not sure it does
[09:55] <Laney> I've not run an EOL thing for ages so I can't remember
[09:55] <apw> Laney, i know what you mean
[09:56] <Laney> we're trying to come up with something for gnome software, wanted to see what we already do
[10:02] <apw> Laney, ahh, you should ask ogasawara as she was involved in the messaging work for the LTS kerenls which went dead
[10:02] <Laney> I found https://i.stack.imgur.com/sTysa.png
[10:02] <Laney> which is not exactly the best UX, but also isn't about an EOL release
[10:02] <Laney> probably the thing you're talking about?
[10:03] <apw> yes
[10:03] <Laney> nod
[10:03] <Laney> found the code for that in update-notifier I think
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[12:22] <apw> ^ rejecting whole set together as most do not have an SRU bug, will be resubmitted.
[12:26] <Laney> you meanie
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[12:26] <acheronuk> Laney: I asked for that :P
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[12:26] <apw> Laney, heh i am that, i did talk to them first
[12:34] <acheronuk> apw: I assume we can reuse the 0.1 version number, as these never hit the archive, even in proposed?
[12:43] <apw> acheronuk, indeed please do
[12:43] <acheronuk> :)
[13:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ceph [sync] (zesty-proposed) [10.2.7-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
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[14:08] <jbicha> ^ those webkitgtk SRUs fix a high profile issue for Ubuntu GNOME, so please review
[14:08] <sil2100> o/
[14:11] <sil2100> jbicha: I personally would like to wait for the package to appear fully in artful-proposed + see if the autopkgtests pass (if any)
[14:12] <jbicha> sil2100: the artful package is different because it includes a lot more fixes; I intentionally made the SRUs more minimal to get the fix to users faster
[14:13] <jbicha> autopkgtests are still run for SRUs though, right?
[14:14] <sil2100> Sure, although I prefer not to approve SRUs that I don't know we'll migrate to the release pocket for devel
[14:14] <sil2100> It's a preference thing
[14:16] <jbicha> it will definitely migrate eventually but it will take at least several hours just to build
[14:17] <jbicha> I tested the build and resulting binaries on amd64: https://launchpad.net/~jbicha/+archive/ubuntu/temp20170509/+packages
[14:20] <jbicha> usually webkit SRUs are much larger and are handled by security so they skip the usual SRU process (last month, 2.14 was updated to 2.16)
[14:26] <sil2100> jbicha: hm, ok, cosidering the build times and difference between uploads, I'll take a look at it in a moment
[14:43] <santa_> acheronuk: kubuntu automation 2.0 rc5 coming, adding support for that bug referencing
[15:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted webkit2gtk [source] (zesty-proposed) [2.16.1-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[15:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted webkit2gtk [source] (yakkety-proposed) [2.16.1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[15:15] <sil2100> jbicha: all reviewed
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[15:23] <jbicha> thank you
[15:29] <acheronuk> santa_: cool. thx
[16:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: adobe-flashplugin (artful-proposed/partner) [1:20170509.1-0ubuntu1]
[16:18] <smoser> Hi, wondering if I could get someone to look at sru in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-initramfs-tools/+bug/1688606
[16:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: open-iscsi [s390x] (artful-proposed/main) [2.0.874-2ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
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[18:22] <nacc> slangasek: if you have the time, can you accept the new open-iscsi binaries (iscsuio) from the debian merge?
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[19:38] <infinity> smoser: Uhm.
[19:39] <infinity> smoser: Why does the test cast for this cloud-initramfs-tools SRU start with "mangle your initramfs config"?  If only there was a way to have the package add modules in a hook? :P
[19:40] <infinity> smoser: Oh, unless that really was only necessary for precise, which you're no longer targetting.  Then your instructions are just bogus.
[19:41] <smoser> infinity, only needed on precise.
[19:41] <infinity> smoser: Kay, then your reproducer script has an unnecessary line, but probably not a big deal.
[19:41] <smoser> updated description
[19:42] <smoser> i can update the script also
[19:42] <infinity> smoser: One could also argue that your hook script (in the package, not the reproducer) *should* be adding that module if you know you need it, even if it's in the generic set (which it is).  It does no harm to add the same module twice (or to attempt to add if builtin).
[19:44] <infinity> smoser: Plus, you only get squashfs for MODULES=most.  It'd be more technically correct for you to specify the ones you need, then MODULES=dep would also work.
[19:44] <smoser> infinity, that is true.
[19:44] <smoser> one could argue that
[19:44] <infinity> It's possible one just did. :)
[19:45] <smoser> i do not disagree. so if you'd like me to, i can do that.
[19:45] <smoser> its not a strict dependency, it will still work with tar
[19:46] <smoser> and since manual_add_modules fails silently if you dont have the module, then it is unlikely to cause issues to add it.
[19:48] <infinity> smoser: Fair point on the "also works for tar".  I'll leave the call up to you, as you know your (potential) target audience.
[19:48] <infinity> smoser: If you're pretty sure this'll only be used in controlled environments where it'll always end up right anyway, then meh.
[19:49] <infinity> (Or that it'll only be used with Ubuntu kernels, which all have squash built in now, and probably will as long as snapd is a thing)
[19:51] <smoser> infinity, i thini i'll just open a bug, and fix it in artful for now.
[19:52] <smoser> an otherwise unmodified initramfs found in cloud-images or linux-generic will end up with squashfs support (other than precise). so as it is, it will work in expected places.
[19:52] <smoser> and if there is a need, then we'll fix that bug and sru it
[19:59] <bdmurray> slangasek: https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/apport/lp-retracer-artful-updates/+merge/323802
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[20:00] <infinity> smoser: Works for me.
[20:11] <slangasek> bdmurray: is this a normal beginning-of-cycle thing we do, vs. fixing ddebs.u.c to have devel-updates available?
[20:14] <bdmurray> slangasek: archaeologing
[20:17] <bdmurray> slangasek: it seems to have been part of my process to not enable devel-updates for the retracer config.
[20:19] <bdmurray> slangasek: but I missed it this time so it'd be better if ddebs.u.c was fixed.
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[19:41] <Mikaela> two questions; can ! ops-#channel be used in PM somehow (like AntiSpamMeta ! ops #channel) and could someone remove me from ! ops-#ubuntu-women?
[19:44] <Unit193> Mikaela: You can *view* the factoid in private, but it won't ping people of course.
[19:45] <Mikaela> I mean that the plugin has alert channel, will that work in PM? If I recall correctly, it alerted here or was it #ubuntu-ops by default
[19:46] <Unit193> The ubottu ops factoid does two things: 1. echos the factoid, thus pinging people named.  2. Notices in the ops channel that someone called the ops in channel.  This has to be done in channel for that to work though.
[19:46] <Unit193> All the ubots do here, ubottu does -ops.
[19:46] <Mikaela> I see, so the answer is no. It could be helpful when wanting to avoid getting attacked for it


[00:46] <RAOF> Why, hello there ThreadSanitizer. I rather expected less extensive complaints.
[09:39] <alan_g> alf_: you want any more reviews of lp:~afrantzis/mir/server-side-set-base-display-configuration or shall I TA?
[09:42] <alf_> alan_g: feel free to TA
[09:43]  * alan_g hopes krillin feels free to "pass"
[09:45] <alan_g> Sorry for confusing kdub about the future
[09:50] <alf_> alan_g: no worries
[11:18] <kdub> isn't being confused about the future part of the human condition? :D
[11:20] <anpok> oh and that is related to full screen focus changes
[11:20] <anpok> now I am confused
[11:21] <alan_g> welcome to the human race ;)
[12:47] <Saviq> hey all, we noticed u-s-c is hogging CPU when an external screen is connected, is this known? bug #1511357
[12:55] <kgunn> vogons ^
[12:56] <alan_g> I didn't know about it
[12:57] <greyback_> just trying it now on my N4, USC using 40-50% cpu - nothing interacting with it, or causing rendering to happen
[12:58] <alf_> kgunn: Saviq: Not known
[13:01] <alf_> Saviq: greyback: Could you check which thread is using the CPU? (press 'V' in top to get a forest view with threads)
[13:01] <Saviq> fancy
[13:01] <Saviq> doing
[13:03] <Saviq> alf_, hmm, only see a process tree, not threads with V
[13:03] <greyback_> H maybe?
[13:04] <Saviq> H
[13:04] <Saviq> yes
[13:04] <Saviq> alf_, Mir/Comp
[13:05] <alf_> Saviq: greyback_: Right V + H to also get threads
[13:05] <greyback_> yep, same here
[13:06] <alf_> Saviq: greyback_: Could you pastebin an snapshot of the top output
[13:07] <greyback_> alf_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12998801/
[13:07] <Saviq> alf_, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12998806/
[13:09] <alf_> greyback_: Saviq: thanks
[13:10] <alf_> greyback_: Saviq: let me try on desktop to see if it's android specific or not (unless you have already tried it there?)
[13:11] <Saviq> alf_, didn't try yet, can do in 30s
[13:11] <alf_> greyback_: Saviq: Which mir/usc are you using? What's in archive at the moment?
[13:11] <Saviq> alf_, rc-proposed, so vivid overlay
[13:11] <greyback_> mir 0.17
[13:12] <alf_> Saviq: please try it if you can for more data points, I will do that also
[13:12] <Saviq> ack
[13:21] <Saviq> alf_, looks android-specific indeed, couldn't reproduce here (xenial, fwiw)
[13:28] <alf_> Saviq: hmm, I can't even start a session with ubuntu-desktop-mir on wily (no overlay)
[13:28] <Saviq> alf_, not really tested, we targeted overlay for a while now...
[13:29] <alf_> Saviq: yeah, let me install that
[13:29] <Saviq> alf_, do you just get a mouse cursor?
[13:29] <alf_> Saviq: I get nothing
[13:29] <Saviq> alf_, try overlay, if that no worky, we'll see what's going on
[13:34] <alf_> Saviq: something is not right, USC log gives me Opening session x-183
[13:34] <Saviq> alf_, try a guest/different user?
[13:34] <alf_> Savig: Closing session x-183 ... and so on until it gives up
[13:35] <alf_> Saviq: ah, wait, you are talking about unity8 session, I am trying ubuntu-desktop-mir?
[13:36] <Saviq> alf_, what's that? ;)
[13:36] <alf_> Saviq: yeah, unity8-desktop-session-mir works
[13:36] <Saviq> alf_, ack :)
[13:38] <alf_> Saviq: well, kind of... if I login as normal user I get the greeter but when I login from greeter I get to the greeter again
[13:38] <alf_> Saviq: if I login as guest I just get a blank screen with mouse cursor
[13:38] <Saviq> alf_, yeah, double greeter expected
[13:38] <Saviq> alf_, guest isn't tested well, need to look into ot
[13:38] <Saviq> it
[13:39] <alf_> Saviq: right, but when I login from second greeter, I don't get into unity8, I just see the (second) greeter again
[13:39] <Saviq> alf_, oh, too many greeters...
[13:39] <Saviq> alf_, any chance you typed your pwd wrong?
[13:41] <alf_> Saviq: no, when I type it wrong, I stay in the greeter. When I type it right, I get a blank screen for a bit, then the second/unity8 greeter reloads
[13:41] <Saviq> alf_, ah, sounds like a crash
[13:41] <Saviq> alf_, that's with overlay?
[13:41] <alf_> Saviq: yes
[13:42] <Saviq> alf_, would be interested in /var/crash/ and .cache/upstart/unity8.log after you clear them and try again
[14:05] <alf_> Saviq: http://people.canonical.com/~afrantzis/unity8-crash.tar.xz, but it seems to be an exception thrown from Mir, I am using gdb to track it
[14:06] <Saviq> alf_, ack
[14:06] <Saviq> indeed   what():  Failed to wait for event: Interrupted system call
[18:08] <dandrader> anpok, ping
[18:40] <anpok> pong


[04:24] <ScottK> yofel: Published.
[10:29] <seaLne> anyone here using owncloud over https in precise? mirall dosen't work on 2 precise installs for me but does on natty and oneric
[10:30] <seaLne> i know this is a bit OT but i've already been discussing it on #owncloud and this seemed a good place to ask for other potential precise users :)
[10:35] <Riddell> seaLne: hmm no I haven't and I don't think I even know what mirall is
[10:36] <seaLne> the file sync tool
[10:37] <seaLne> dragotin wrote it
[10:37] <seaLne> it makes owncloud an awfull lot more usefull now
[10:37] <seaLne> deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/isv:ownCloud:devel/xUbuntu_12.04/ /
[10:37] <seaLne> owncloud-client
[10:39] <Riddell> oh aye, not looked it yet, that's on the things to be discussed at UDS list
[10:57] <Riddell> seaLne: you've tried asking Blizzz?
[11:19] <BluesKaj> 'morning folks ... ran the upgrade to 4.8.3 .. I now have no X server...chatting thru irssi . Error message just m, no X11 ...anyone else encounter this ?
[11:20] <BluesKaj> yofel? ^
[11:20] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: you did upgrade, and then restarted?
[11:21] <BluesKaj> Tm_T:  yes . rebooted and also did a halt and boot
[11:23] <BluesKaj> wonder if I need to reinstall my graphics driver , let me check
[11:23] <yofel> BluesKaj: can you check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[11:31] <BluesKaj> yofel:  is that juat a folder , because I have to use nano and I'm not getting any text ..it's just blank
[11:32] <yofel> BluesKaj: that's your X log file which should have the error if X fails to start
[11:32] <BluesKaj> yofel:  there's no error listed , there's nothing
[11:33] <yofel> BluesKaj: can you please run 'sudo service kdm restart' (or start) and see if the file is there?
[11:36] <seaLne> Riddell: no i hadn't but dragotin was looking at it
[11:40] <Riddell> dragotin, he's your man
[11:41] <BluesKaj> yofel , x10 fatal IO error x11 (resource temporarily unavailable) on x server ":o"
[11:42] <BluesKaj> looks to me like X is failing alright :)
[11:49] <BluesKaj> I have 3 shells open so I'll be back , one is frozen in limbo
[12:03] <BluesKaj> ok , yofel , fixed , had some partial upgrades to kubuntu-desktop that needed some help installing with the recovery kernel ..all seems fine now
[12:03] <yofel> *phew*
[12:03] <BluesKaj> hehr :)
[12:03]  * yofel gone for a while
[13:16] <Mamarok> gosh, what did that guy in bug 992262 not understand?
[13:17] <imbrandon> morning all
[13:18] <ScottK> Hello imbrandon.
[13:18] <imbrandon> heya ScottK
[13:18] <BluesKaj> 'morning imbrandon
[13:21] <BluesKaj> odd , during the 4.8.3 upgrade , I ended up with some partial upgrades to kubuntu-desktop that prevented X from loading
[13:23] <BluesKaj> had to use the recovery kernel 'repair broken packages" dialog to finish the install
[13:25] <Mamarok> ouch
[13:26] <BluesKaj> yeah , aword to the wisw and all that :)
[13:26] <BluesKaj> and those who can decipher my spelling
[13:28] <BluesKaj> Mamarok, is amarok still installing without mp3 capability on 12.04?  had a question about it this morning
[13:29] <Mamarok> no idea
[13:30] <Mamarok> that depends on the package whether it asks for codecs to be installed, and I am no packager
[13:31] <Mamarok> somethig you don't need if you use the phonon-backend-vlc
[13:32] <Riddell> we have installed with mp3 capability, that issue is 7 years old
[13:32] <imbrandon> heh yea
[13:33] <imbrandon> i was gonna say thats quite old
[13:34] <BluesKaj> yeah , I've been using it for a while since my main media player is VLC and the DTS and DD audio streams are independent of the audio player itself , which I feed to a DAC rather than analog
[13:35] <BluesKaj> still see the amarok mp3 issue sometimes ...dunno why tho
[14:35] <ulysses> will be 4.8.3 packaged for oneiric,
[14:35] <ulysses> ?
[14:35] <ScottK> No.
[14:47] <KRF> how can i find out what git revision of Qt the libqt4-* packages are using on ubuntu?
[14:47] <KRF> still having trouble how to do that
[14:50] <ScottK> We use Qt releases, not git snapshots.
[14:51] <ScottK> You can use rmadison $PACKAGENAME to see what versions are in what Ubuntu releases.
[15:01] <KRF> ScottK: okay. doesn't really help but thanks :)
[15:02] <ScottK> You should be able to look in Qt's git and figure out which revisons correlate to the releases.
[15:02] <KRF> ScottK: sure, i know Git. i was wondering if you use some Git snapshot for ubuntu 12.04
[15:03] <ScottK> No.  It's 4.8.1 plus some patches.
[15:03] <ScottK> The patches may be post-4.8.1 cherry picks.  I haven't checked.
[16:51] <BluesKaj> back to the tty yofel  , X doesn't load again , same error, also netbook wants to install , but it errors as well.. even after giving install request a no.
[16:53] <yofel> wth. Do you have a network connection so you can pastebinit your full Xorg.0.log ?
[16:56] <shadeslayer> KRF: ScottK Re: Qt Version, you can use kde4-config --version as well
[16:57] <shadeslayer> ah you want git revision
[16:57] <shadeslayer> ignore my comment
[17:01] <BluesKaj> yofel http://paste.ubuntu.com/967321
[17:05] <yofel> BluesKaj: that looks perfectly fine...
[17:10] <BluesKaj> well, I've tried all the "tricks" in my "kit"and still no X
[17:12] <yofel> Riddell: do you remember how large the diff was for oneiric? IIRC it was almost a no-change backport.
[17:13] <yofel> we already cut down the packages that were updated
[17:14] <Riddell> yofel: yeah I think it could well have been nothing
[17:16] <Riddell> hi ct529
[17:16] <Riddell> ct529: see http://jriddell.org/ "Packaging KDE SC in the Cloud "
[17:17] <Riddell> my thinking on automating it would be to use ec2 to do a test compile and get logs for review
[17:18] <Riddell> but the needs someone with some time to do it and knowledge of packaging and ec2
[17:20] <Riddell> ct529: in the mean time what it needs is someone to do the packaging (trivial but repetative) and test compile it locally, review the logs, upload to launchpad, get testing, then move to backports/updates
[17:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: you think libiodbc2-dev is a bit screwed up?
[17:22] <yofel> it is
[17:22] <shadeslayer> depends on libiodbc2 and iodbc, and iodbc depends on libiodbc2
[17:22] <shadeslayer> circular deps ftw
[17:22] <yofel> shadeslayer: we use something else now
[17:22] <shadeslayer> huh?
[17:22] <yofel> hm
[17:23] <yofel> shadeslayer: see what neon does to soprano
[17:23] <ct529> Riddell: yes, documentation? I see if we can set up something locally on the server, but cannot promise anything ....
[17:23] <yofel> or the release package for that matter
[17:24] <shadeslayer> k
[17:24] <ct529> Riddell: I mean documentation about this automation of the process
[17:25] <Riddell> ct529: there is none
[17:25] <Riddell> since it's just an idea in my head
[17:25] <ct529> Riddell: OIC
[17:26] <ct529> Riddell: just opening the one about the cloud
[17:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: ok, we use unixodbc-dev now
[17:29] <ct529> Riddell: I will look into it, but I thought the process was already practically automatised
[17:30] <ct529> Riddell: why do you think this rolling release idea is bad? It sounds good but we have not run any tests.
[17:30] <Peace-> mm let me understand something about your kubuntu-default settings .... why on control there is only Depends: ${misc:Depends}, python, ttf-ubuntu-font-family, libnewt0.52 (>= 0.52.11-2ubuntu7)
[17:31] <Peace-> where i can specify my own dependences ?
[17:31] <Peace-> can i
[17:31] <shadeslayer> :/
[17:31] <ScottK> Peace-: You're looking in the wrong package.  Look in kubuntu-meta
[17:31] <ct529> Riddell: don't you think it would be possible to biuld a rolling release on top of kubuntu?
[17:31] <Peace-> ScottK: ah
[17:32] <Ezim> ct529, rolling release have it +/-
[17:32] <ScottK> ct529: The Ubuntu release cycle has a definite up and down flow.  It'd be almost impossible to build a rolling release on top of it.
[17:33] <ScottK> If you want rolling, use Debian Testing or Unstable.
[17:34] <ct529> I don't know we have been suing kubuntu since 6.06
[17:34] <ct529> but it is not completely free of problems either
[17:35] <Peace-> ScottK: mm kubuntu-meta? i can locate with apt-get install ?
[17:35] <Peace-> ScottK: it seems no
[17:35] <Peace-> can yo point me ?
[17:35] <yofel> Peace-: kubuntu-desktop's source is kubuntu-meta
[17:35] <Riddell> Peace-: it's a source package
[17:35] <ScottK> Peace-: kubuntu-desktop is the binary you're probably looking for.
[17:36] <ScottK> Then you'll want to learn about germinate and seeds.
[17:36] <Peace-> LOL
[17:36] <Peace-> :) btw i have modified your kubuntu-default-settings
[17:37] <Peace-> and it seems perfect :P
[17:37] <Peace-> konqueror just works out of the box now on gmail translator and google+
[17:40] <ScottK> Please file a bug on kubuntu-default-settings and attach your patch so we can get it fixed then.
[17:41] <Ezim> kubuntu rocks (spam) :=)
[17:41] <ct529> Riddell: I am afraid I could not make sense of your EC2 automation presentation .... does it have only 8 slides or did I do something wrong?
[17:42] <Peace-> ScottK:  :( i am not good on that stuff
[17:42] <Peace-> anyway
[17:42] <ScottK> Peace-: Time to learn
[17:43] <Riddell> ct529: probably I made the slides with an expectation I'd be giving a talk with them
[17:44] <Peace-> ScottK: this is the file even google docs works better  http://wstaw.org/m/2012/05/04/plasma-desktopL12385.png
[17:47] <ct529> Riddell: I imagine :-D ....
[17:47] <ct529> Riddell: I just wanted to udnerstand whether I had downloaded them all, or wheter it was something missing.
[17:47] <ct529> Riddell: Is there a video of you giving the presentation?
[17:48] <Riddell> nope
[17:48]  * Peace- he thinks he should create a debian for his plasma-panels collection
[17:48] <Riddell> but I want a script to build a package in KDE SC and a master script to control building the packages in the right order and putting them and logs for review
[17:53] <ct529> Riddell: it would be nice to start with existing packages for 12.04 and see if it is possible to simply automatise compilation for 11.10.
[17:55] <Riddell> ct529: yes that could be done, I mostly use bash for scripts when I do it
[17:55] <Riddell> but that still needs someone to keep an eye on it
[17:55] <ct529> Riddell: mmmm .... can you send over the scripts you already have?
[17:56] <Riddell> ct529: I don't have any
[17:57] <Riddell> i should have said "bash for loops" above
[17:57] <ct529> Riddell: Oh I see
[17:57] <Riddell> for package in *; do debuild; cd ..; done
[17:57] <Riddell> that sort of thing
[17:59] <yofel> I have this to offer: http://paste.kde.org/469400/ - which still needs to be run per-package
[18:02] <Riddell> yofel: not like using dch?
[18:03] <yofel> well, I had that piece of code lying around from something else, so didn't bother to look at the dch parameters. which would work too
[18:04] <ct529> Riddell: debuild?
[18:05] <BluesKaj> well, kde 4.8.3 wiped my nvidia driver , and whatever repos it's packaged in isn't in my sources.list to re-install , or so it seems ..no installation cnadidate for nvidia-current
[18:06] <Riddell> ct529: I fear you'll need to learn packaging before you can work on automating it
[18:07] <Ezim> BluesKaj, how can that happend?
[18:08] <Ezim> not even same depend.
[18:08] <yofel> BluesKaj: the driver is in the main archive though. try refreshing the cache or use nouveau for now
[18:09] <BluesKaj> yofel what's the nouveau driver package name?
[18:09] <Ezim> BluesKaj, do you mean it removed or stopped working? sorry if I got all this wrong.
[18:10] <Ezim> BluesKaj, nvidia just released new drivers.
[18:10] <BluesKaj> Ezim:  which archive ?
[18:10] <yofel> BluesKaj: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (installed by default unless you removed it)
[18:10] <Ezim> if you use x-swat I think you will have tomorrow or so.
[18:10] <yofel> as long as the nvidia driver isn't installed and you don't tell it otherwise in xorg.conf X will use nouveau
[18:10] <ct529> Riddell: I normally download the sources and package manually .... what is the problem with that?
[18:11] <ct529> Riddell: and use dpkg-build
[18:12] <yofel> ct529: Launchpad only accepts source packages and builds the binaries itself.
[18:12] <Riddell> debuild is a wrapper around dpkg-buildpackage with some sensible options set
[18:12] <yofel> ah, for local builds that's ~fine
[18:12] <ct529> Riddell: oh, OK .... never used it though
[18:12] <ct529> Riddell: does it make a substantial difference?
[18:12] <Riddell> it's quicker to type :)
[18:12] <Riddell> check the man page for details
[18:13] <ct529> Riddell: yes, I am installing it now
[18:13] <ct529> Riddell: will read the man
[18:16] <Riddell> I have a script to start ec2 machines and set up for packaging but of course it'll need a lot more work to get it doing the packaging automated and then the controlling script would be a lot more work again
[18:19] <ct529> Riddell: Sorry, I have to go, I will read the man pages and take it from there .... btw can you compile teh kernel with debuild?
[18:24] <BluesKaj> whqat's blacklist file path for modules again ...I think nouveau is blacklisted here
[18:25] <Riddell> ct529: dunno never tried
[18:27] <BluesKaj> yofel:  ? ^
[18:27] <yofel> some file in /etc/modprobe.d/
[18:28] <BluesKaj> yeah , that's it  /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf ..I think
[18:37] <yofel> ct529: theoretically yes, but needs some preperation first. There are some guides around the net. Someone else knows more probably.
[18:40] <BluesKaj>  nouveau isn't working either , yofel  :(  ...and it's not blacklisted
[18:41] <yofel> why does it fail now?
[18:42]  * BluesKaj wonders if anyone else has repo=rted the same problem , or is this my unique sitauattion
[18:43] <yofel> haven't gotten any PPA bugmail so far today at least.
[18:44] <BluesKaj> yofel:  dunno , my bootup is behaving exactly the same
[18:45] <nixternal> bah...client wants me to do ipad dev work. don't even feel like researching that. anyone here do ipad or ios dev work?
[18:45]  * nixternal looks at imbrandon
[18:45] <imbrandon> nix!
[18:45] <nixternal> wasabi homeskillet
[18:45] <imbrandon> sure
[18:46] <imbrandon> send it my way
[18:46] <BluesKaj> me searches for 12.04 beta disk
[18:46] <nixternal> imbrandon: do you need to have a mac to do ios dev work?
[18:46] <imbrandon> not much man, not much
[18:46] <imbrandon> yea
[18:46] <nixternal> well that sucks
[18:46] <nixternal> send me a mac :D
[18:46] <imbrandon> heh brining 2 to uds
[18:46] <nixternal> since when you do mac shit? i never figured you for someone who would go and buy a mac
[18:46] <imbrandon> commin this time ?
[18:46] <nixternal> no
[18:46] <nixternal> i don't do uds anymore
[18:47] <imbrandon> heh all i own are macs now
[18:47] <imbrandon> and 2 iphones and a ipad :)
[18:47] <nixternal> heh. which macs do you have?
[18:47] <imbrandon> but they all run linux :)
[18:47] <nixternal> i should probably get at least a mac mini. that is cheap
[18:47] <imbrandon> newest mac mini, i7 quad core, 8gb ram
[18:48] <imbrandon> then a macbook pro, i5
[18:48] <imbrandon> quad core 8gb ram
[18:48] <yofel> BluesKaj: sorry, I'm out of ideas then. nouveau should work as long as anything related to nvidia is removed.
[18:48] <imbrandon> then a older macbook core 2 duo
[18:48] <nixternal> itard! :p
[18:48] <imbrandon> 4gb ram
[18:48] <imbrandon> :)
[18:49] <imbrandon> you can do ios stuff if its just web fairly easy without a mac
[18:49] <imbrandon> but if you want native apps you need a mac + xcode + a ios dev license
[18:49] <imbrandon> for $100 a year
[18:49]  * imbrandon has all of the above
[18:51] <nixternal> ahh forget that noise
[18:51] <nixternal> i don't feel like coding for wanna be baristas
[18:51] <imbrandon> they pay extreemly well
[18:51] <imbrandon> :)
[18:52] <imbrandon> a native ios project normaly starts about $10k before you even say what you want the app to be called
[18:53] <imbrandon> and they eat it up
[18:53] <imbrandon> assuming you can deliver
[18:53] <imbrandon> erc
[18:53] <imbrandon> etc*
[18:54] <nixternal> it is such a saturated market. hrmm, though $10k for yet another fart app sounds enticing
[18:54] <imbrandon> lol
[18:54] <nixternal> i will stick with wonderful world of java
[18:54] <nixternal> that's about as evil as i want to get for the time being
[18:55] <nixternal> imbrandon: you still in KC these days?
[18:55] <imbrandon> yup
[18:55] <nixternal> didn't you move down south for a little while? or am i thinking of someone else
[18:56] <imbrandon> yea moved to Nashville for a few yrs
[18:56] <imbrandon> then to Reno NV
[18:56] <imbrandon> now back in KC, lookin to move out to Cali maybe
[18:56] <nixternal> hrmm, trying to get into country music, then wanted to work the moonlight bunny ranch ey :p
[18:56] <imbrandon> lol
[18:56] <Darkwing> nixternal, once i get to Fort Wayne ill be planning a trip to Chicago
[18:57] <nixternal> 3.5 hours away :)
[18:57] <nixternal> and why fort wayne?
[18:58] <Darkwing> indiana institute of technology and family
[18:58] <nixternal> why the hell won't gparted get in my damn live-build
[21:10] <Ezim> hi guys is it only for me or other also. when I try to copy things from libreoffice with mouse it crashes.
[21:13] <ScottK> Works for me.
[21:14] <Ezim> ScottK, are you running 12.04?
[21:14] <ScottK> Yes.  i386.
[21:14] <Ezim> I am running latest libreoffice from ppa
[21:14] <ScottK> OK.
[21:14] <Ezim> maybe :) ninja packagers that bugs
[21:14] <Riddell> Ezim: we do kde here, libreoffice better in #ubuntu{,-devel}
[21:15] <Ezim> Riddell, :) I am running kde/kubuntu.
[21:17] <Riddell> Ezim: kubuntu is just the kde packages in ubuntu, libreoffice is looked after by the desktop team
[21:17] <Riddell> which isn't us
[21:18] <Ezim> Riddell, thx.
[21:27] <BluesKaj> reinstalled 12.04 / , but I'm not "upgrading" to 4.8.3 again .. so please don't ask , this last 'test" was almost a disaster...managed to get most of my settings etc back , but it was a waste of 5 hrs , just upgrading a point kde . :P


[00:12] <phunyguy> meep meep
[01:19] <phunyguy> @btlogin
[01:27] <phunyguy> !guidelines > Windows98
[01:27] <genii> What is he up to?
[01:40] <bazhang> no good as usual
[01:40] <bazhang> every single I have seen him in, at least
[01:41] <genii> I just hadn't seen him say anything yet in any channels. Thought maybe our usual profane PMer guy for a sec
[01:42] <bazhang> just quite silly
[02:22] <phunyguy> genii: you hadn't seen him say anything because he was muted.
[02:29]  * genii sips
[21:55] <Pici> weird
[21:56] <rww> amsg'd to a few channels


[00:00] <Jordan_U> My keyboard is working in X after it was broken by bug #254840 but my touchpad is still not working
[00:29] <mbrigdan> how are new versions named? Just a random adjective + animal that start with the same letter?
[00:38] <Hobbsee> and hte letters are going in the order of hte alphabet now, yes.
[00:39] <tanath> hm, after my last update & reboot, my up arrow key asks me to save a screenshot...
[00:40] <tanath> the other arrow keys work right
[00:40] <tanath> what's this 'evdev-managed keyboard' thing that is the new default in the Keyboard applet?
[00:41] <Hobbsee> interesting.
[00:42] <tanath> at least my mousewheel scrolls now :)
[00:44] <mbrigdan> would it be safe to run Intrepid in VirtualBox?
[00:45] <tanath> hm, my right alt key is funkey. in setting shortcuts in applet it shows up as ISO Level3 Shift
[00:46] <csky_max> 255008
[00:46] <csky_max> bug 255008
[00:46] <csky_max> tanath: ^
[00:47] <tanath> :)
[00:47] <tanath> i just reset the kb shortcut for screenshot, and it says my prtscn button is Insert
[00:47] <tanath> up still does that though
[00:48] <csky_max> i would reset all keyboard settings using "defaults" button in keyboard settings applet
[00:48] <csky_max> that fixed my keyboard issues
[00:48] <tanath> i did that
[00:48] <tanath> changed to 'evdev-managed keyboard'
[00:48] <csky_max> i didn't do that part, still on PC105
[00:48] <tanath> now i'm redoing the keyboard shortcuts in that applet
[00:48] <tanath> the kb shortcuts applet that is
[00:49] <tanath> i have to do that every time i change keyboard settings
[00:49] <mbrigdan> actually, how would I even go about installing Intrepid in virtualbox?
[00:49] <tanath> i set my kb to microsoftinet in xorg.conf, and now it defaults to 'evdev-managed keyboard'
[00:50] <scizzo-> mbrigdan: its broken afaik
[00:50] <scizzo-> mbrigdan: that is installing it in virtualbox
[00:50] <scizzo-> mbrigdan: it even says so in the launchpad information on alpha3 download page
[00:50] <mbrigdan> scizzo-: really? "Darn"
[00:50] <mbrigdan> oh well
[00:51] <csky_max> tanath: the problem it fixed for me was, key repeat wasn't working. "defaults" fixed that.
[00:51] <scizzo-> bug 246067
[00:51] <csky_max> your mileage may vary.
[00:51] <tanath> csky_max: haven't had a prob with that yet
[00:52] <tanath> things seem a bit speedier too now :)
[00:52] <tanath> which reminds me, has anyone else had probs with facebook in firefox?
[00:52] <tanath> it always goes incredibly slowly since my upgrade to ibex
[00:53] <csky_max> you could try adding firebug plugin, look for errors
[00:53] <tanath> hm
[00:53] <tanath> it's weird though, happens on old and new facebook
[00:53] <tanath> but when i try in another browser, it usually loads in a fraction of the time
[00:54] <csky_max> tanath: maybe a few weeks old behavior now, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=500433
[00:54] <csky_max> could be facebook related too, that thread is not an intrepid user
[00:54] <tanath> ah, feels great to be able to finally use my scroll wheel again :D
[00:55] <tanath> cathartic, even
[00:55] <csky_max> now bind it to the desktop cube... joy
[00:55] <tanath> lol
[00:55] <tanath> no need. kb works for that ;)
[00:56] <tanath> ctrl+alt+[left/right]
[00:56] <tanath> oh, wtf. that's not working now :-/
[00:57] <tanath> weird
[00:57] <tanath> still configured right. plugin is enabled. maybe my arrow keys are more messed up than i thought
[00:58] <tanath> left & right work fine in text areas though
[00:58] <tanath> hm.. my right alt-key is really messed
[00:59] <tanath> ctrl+(right alt)+[left/right] = beep
[00:59] <tanath> left alt = nothing
[00:59] <tanath> works as alt though
[01:00] <tanath> that ubuntuforums thread is from 2k7
[01:00] <tanath> this is more recent
[01:01] <csky_max> Oops, I missed the year, sorry.
[01:01] <tanath> started with ibex upgrade
[01:01] <tanath> hehe
[01:01] <csky_max> I'd definitely toss Firebug into your plugins and see what errors on page it shows
[01:01] <csky_max> "chugging" shouldn't happen
[01:02] <tanath> woohoo, my scroll wheel and thumb buttons work :D
[01:03] <tanath> i be happy now
[01:03] <tanath> now i just need an up key
[01:06] <mbrigdan> someone should make a plugin like desktop cube, except the cube should be a helicopter
[01:06] <mbrigdan> that would be awesome
[01:06] <mbrigdan> I don't know how you would make the desktops to it though
[01:06] <mbrigdan> *map
[01:07] <tanath> o.O
[01:07] <tanath> hm, now that firebug is installed, FB is fast again
[01:08] <tanath> reasonably quick anyway
[01:11] <tanath> oh, another thing. the other day after previous x server update, i lost my mouse & keyboard 'cause they weren't configured in xorg.conf
[01:11] <tanath> had to boot from livecd to fix
[01:12] <tanath> since i get no video output when switching to virtual terminals
[01:12] <tanath> and when booting
[01:19] <csky_max> I try not to ever touch xorg.conf
[01:19] <csky_max> It always ends in tears
[01:19] <tanath> lol
[01:20] <tanath> occasionally it ends happily :P
[01:20] <csky_max> I've constructed them from scratch back when you had to. Now, if Ubuntu doesn't make it right for me, I slap Ubuntu till it does.
[01:20] <tanath> like now my mouse works properly
[01:20] <tanath> lol
[01:21] <tanath> it fails now though. i had left it to determine its own defaults or whatever, and they at least had some functionality
[01:22] <tanath> but without keyboard & mouse configured, i ended up at login screen with no mouse or keyboard
[01:23] <tanath> anyone heard of CRAMES?
[01:24] <tanath> http://spectrum.ieee.org/aug08/6479
[01:25] <tanath> researchers tweaked linux on a PDA to effectively double it's RAM
[01:25] <tanath> by setting aside some RAM for compressed RAM
[01:28] <tanath> "We were thinking only of embedded systems when we first engineered CRAMES. But since then we've also been working on some exciting possibilities involving general-purpose computers (which might allow us to compress our acronym for this data compression, fittingly enough, to CRAM)."
[01:30] <mbrigdan> hmm, but doesn't compression and decompression _always_ cause a performance hit somewhere?
[01:30] <tanath> it's very slight
[01:30] <mbrigdan> makes sense
[01:31] <tanath> "Indeed, our testing revealed that ripping out this much memory results in a performance penalty of just 0.2 percent on average and 9.2 percent in the worst case."
[01:31] <mbrigdan> you could also try to do all the compression when they wouldn't notice, such as during low loads
[01:31] <mbrigdan> except that doesn't really work with ram
[01:32] <mbrigdan> usually high load = high ram usage
[01:33] <tanath> i'm wondering if they've released their tweaks, and if they can be implemented. i wouldn't mind effectively doubling my memory for free :P
[01:34] <mbrigdan> would probably need to be implemented into the kernel though
[01:34] <tanath> yeah
[01:35] <tanath> but this CRAMES algorithm has already been used in a smartphone that's on the market...
[01:36] <mbrigdan> you could find their patent, and um, "borrow" some ideas. I think using a patent in free software is allowed to some degree.
[01:36] <tanath> so doesn't that mean the code must be open/available?
[01:36] <mbrigdan> I don't think so
[01:36] <mbrigdan> patents are tricky
[01:36] <mbrigdan> especially in the US
[01:36] <tanath> hm..
[01:36] <tanath> i wasn't thinking about patents, i was just thinking about how it was done with linux
[01:37] <tanath> so the could would have to be free
[01:37] <mbrigdan> in Sweden for example, you can't patent software, because it is the product of an algorithm
[01:37] <tanath> yeah, the US has a big battle in that area
[01:38] <mbrigdan> in canada, there is no laws related to software copyright
[01:38] <tanath> hmm, my right ctrl key is messed up
[01:38] <tanath> so bring it out in canada :D
[01:38] <mbrigdan> they "could" sue you for lost profits, but they would need to prove it
[01:39] <tanath> if i hold down the right ctrl key, it repeats
[01:39] <tanath> i just figured this out because i have google desktop, which uses ctrl+ctrl...
[01:39] <mbrigdan> The government is trying to bring in killer DCMA laws though, and I really, really, want the bill to be killed
[01:39] <tanath> same
[01:40] <tanath> that's politics for you
[01:40] <tanath> big business has the influence
[01:40] <mbrigdan> Although, its still presued at the request of the copy holder, so it still might not be that effective
[01:40] <tanath> trying to use the law to prop up failing business models
[01:41] <tanath> one can hope...
[01:41] <mbrigdan> I hope the bill dies, preferably violently
[01:41] <tanath> but in the end it'll be inevitable. the business model will fail
[01:41] <tanath> it's growing pains right now, methinks
[01:41] <mbrigdan> I mean, to some degree, you need copyright laws
[01:41] <mbrigdan> but that bill is too much
[01:41] <tanath> not _necessarily_
[01:42] <tanath> the internet and other technologies are changing the way things are done
[01:42] <mbrigdan> seriously, we have next to no laws on software up here, its not the most conductive to releasing costly software if its legal to share it with all your friends
[01:42] <mbrigdan> it is changing though
[01:43] <mbrigdan> it would be awesome if everything was free, but thats a bit overly utopian
[01:43] <tanath> when everything can be represented as information, and information can be copied freely...
[01:43] <tanath> without economic penalty
[01:43] <tanath> that's a game changer if ever there was one
[01:43] <mbrigdan> yup
[01:44] <tanath> especially with things like the new personal fabs / 3d printers
[01:44] <mbrigdan> Me and a friend once designed a society where everything was free for a school project
[01:44] <tanath> oh?
[01:44] <tanath> price would simply take a different meaning, methinks
[01:44] <mbrigdan> it survived by selling code to the rest of the world
[01:44] <tanath> money is really just representative...
[01:45] <tanath> hm
[01:45] <mbrigdan> but you needed an IQ over 130 to join though, so it was a little restrictive
[01:45] <tanath> i thought you meant, like a global society
[01:45] <tanath> hah
[01:45] <mbrigdan> nope
[01:45] <mbrigdan> that would be harder
[01:45] <tanath> in 150 years, maybe everyone could be a part :P
[01:46] <mbrigdan> maybe
[01:46] <tanath> unless you think the "singularity" is coming, and nearer
[01:47] <mbrigdan> a UK company designed a system of hunter killer drones and satellites called SkyNet...
[01:47] <mbrigdan> if you've seen terminator...
[01:47] <mbrigdan> gah, need to find my XP setup disk
[01:48] <mbrigdan> hopefully VirtualBox will have better compatibility than wine
[02:08] <tanath> damnit, i need my up key back :P
[02:25] <tanath> arg, i did something to cause imwheel to startup when X does, but i forget what
[02:26] <tanath> that's what was causing my scroll wheel to not work
[02:26] <tanath> it crashed and that's why my scroll wheel worked.
[02:27] <mbrigdan> thats a little strange
[02:27] <mbrigdan> ubuntu uses the generic linux kernel right?
[02:29] <tanath> nvm
[02:29] <tanath> imwheel config
[02:29] <tanath> my up key works again too
[02:45] <mbrigdan> whats the ubuntu+2 channel for?
[02:46] <RAOF> Is there one?
[02:46] <mbrigdan> yes
[02:46] <mbrigdan> invite only
[02:46] <RAOF> Then it's not official.
[02:47] <mbrigdan> actually, it forwards here
[02:47] <mbrigdan> hmm
[02:47] <mbrigdan> ok, thats really odd
[02:48] <mbrigdan> I was kick due to invite only before, but now it just forwards here
[02:48] <mbrigdan> whatever...
[03:24] <mbrigdan> cool, virtual box seems to simulate windows fine
[03:24] <mbrigdan> now I can play all those games that don't run in wine
[03:26] <RAOF> mbrigdan: With any form of 3d acceleration?
[03:26] <mbrigdan> I'm not sure
[03:26] <RAOF> I'm pretty sure the answer is "no".
[03:27] <mbrigdan> doesn't it emulate _everything_ though? So it would work, just not very fast.
[03:29] <RAOF> It does indeed emulate everything.  But the video card that it emulates doesn't do 3d.
[03:29] <mbrigdan> gerr
[03:29] <mbrigdan> oh well
[03:30] <mbrigdan> better than 10,000 FIXME: blah blah errors
[03:30] <RAOF> And you really wouldn't want emulated 3d, anyway.  It'd be unusable.
[03:30] <mbrigdan> cool, wine can play halo
[03:31] <mbrigdan> I notice that I haven't been nailed for being totally off-topic yet, so is it safe to say the #ubuntu+1 is a lot more relaxed than #ubuntu?
[03:32] <RAOF> mbrigdan: Yes.  Because it's lower-traffic.
[03:32] <mbrigdan> much lower traffic
[03:32] <RAOF> Should anyone actually be talking in here the tolerance for off-topic will go down.
[03:34] <mbrigdan> makes sense
[03:35] <mbrigdan> where would I look if I wanted to do some _very_ light development?
[03:36] <RAOF> Development into what?
[03:36] <RAOF> Development _of_ what, I mean.
[03:37] <mbrigdan> um
[03:37] <RAOF> If you want to help Ubuntu, it's pretty easy to do some packaging fixes; #ubuntu-motu would be the place to start.
[03:37] <mbrigdan> anything that doesn't have a deadline
[03:37] <RAOF> !contribute
[03:37] <RAOF> That link is also good for Ubuntu :)
[03:42] <jhb1608> do anybody know how to help me fix the Genius Mousepen 8x6 issue, and plus how do I install VMware in my latest ubuntu?
[04:03] <mbrigdan> on the SkyRocket screen saver, how can I use the keyboard commands that supposedly come with it?
[04:07] <RAOF> mbrigdan: I doubt that they are active when it's used as a screensaver.
[04:07] <mbrigdan> hmm
[04:07] <mbrigdan> you know how I could change the settings for a screen saver?
[04:07] <mbrigdan> I can't seem to find a way
[04:07] <RAOF> mbrigdan: You help me work on launchpad.net/screensaver-settings
[04:08] <RAOF> mbrigdan: The short answer is that you edit (or copy) a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/screensavers
[04:08] <mbrigdan> >.>
[04:08] <mbrigdan> you would think someone would have coded an interface
[04:08] <mbrigdan> its a rather useful feature
[04:09] <mbrigdan> Language: C# ?? Isn't C# a windows only thing?
[04:09] <crdlb> if only
[04:10] <RAOF> crdlb: I'd have preferred to write it in python, but the guy who started it knew C#.
[04:10] <crdlb> the prophet Icaza has brought it to us in the form of Mono ;)
[04:10] <crdlb> RAOF: vala :P
[04:10] <RAOF> vala != CIL
[04:10] <mbrigdan> I only really know C++, is that similar to C#?
[04:10] <crdlb> vala ~= C# though
[04:11] <mbrigdan> I sorta know python
[04:11] <crdlb> mbrigdan: thankfully, no
[04:11] <mbrigdan> I want to learn is a better word
[04:11] <mbrigdan> (for my knowledge of python)
[04:11] <RAOF> mbrigdan: C++ is not unlike C#.  C#, java, C++ share fairly similar syntax.
[04:11] <mbrigdan> (more of a phrase than a word)
[04:11] <mbrigdan> ah
[04:11] <crdlb> C# is much simpler than C++, and it's basically a java clone
[04:12] <mbrigdan> Seeing the reaction to C#, I don't think I really want or need to learn it
[04:12] <RAOF> Right.  No turing-complete type system, for example.
[04:12] <RAOF> mbrigdan: crdlb's reaction is not typical.
[04:12]  * RAOF really likes the idea of the CLI, C# isn't a bad language, and the standard library isn't totally rubbish.
[04:12] <mbrigdan> actually, I've seen a few more people than him react that way
[04:13] <mbrigdan> lots of people seem to harbour a dislike to it
[04:13] <crdlb> RAOF: the truth is that GLib is the One True Standard Library at least for me
[04:13] <RAOF> There certainly is a vocal minority, yes.
[04:13] <crdlb> honestly, I get sick of python sometimes because of how many things it lacks compared to glib
[04:13] <RAOF> crdlb: GLib is awesome for C.  But I won't write any gui code in C.
[04:14] <crdlb> a good example: g_get_user_config_dir
[04:14]  * mbrigdan googles GLib
[04:14] <RAOF> Hell, yes.
[04:15] <RAOF> There's python-xdg or something, but glib is nicely XDG compliant.
[04:15] <crdlb> and python-xdg means no windows support
[04:15] <RAOF> System.Environment.GetSpecialDir(UserConfigDir)
[04:17] <mbrigdan> holy crap, my firefox is using 162MB of memory
[04:18] <LSD|Ninja> only 162? :P
[04:18] <RAOF> Only 162 Mb?
[04:19] <crdlb> haha, I was going to say it too, but I refrained
[04:23] <mbrigdan> hehe, your's use more?
[04:27] <mbrigdan> is it bad that cpuburn can heat my system up to about 60-63C? (Depending on room temperature)
[04:28] <RAOF> No.  That'd be considered very cool for some systems.
[04:28] <mbrigdan> awesome
[04:36] <DanaG> Oh yeah, rss-glx needs to use NICE and use fps limit.
[04:36] <DanaG> Otherwise, it's way CPU-rapeagey.
[04:36] <DanaG> And it looks rather horrid, too.
[04:37] <RAOF> DanaG: DEBDIFF!
[04:37] <RAOF> :)
[05:09] <DanaG> Interesting....
[05:09] <DanaG> pulseaudio from iwl3945->ipw2200 works better than pulseaudio from iwl3945->wired
[05:09] <DanaG> (through the router on the latter, of course.)
[05:12] <DanaG> Now, if only I could think of an actual use for that....
[05:12] <DanaG> My best speakers are the ones hooked to my cardbus sound card... which is in the laptop that has most of my music.
[06:53] <scyrma> how's the weather like in KDE 4.1 in Intrepid? I've been holding on kde from Hardy, but with the latest libs a few keys don't work anymore.. (like arrow up!)
[06:53] <scyrma> so I might go for the full upgrade
[06:55] <cycom> Oh my god.  I could kiss the Ibex devs.
[06:55] <cycom> My mighty mouse works.
[06:55] <cycom> It works without me having to DO anything.
[06:56] <scyrma> funny.. mine just stopped working in kdm :(
[06:56] <cycom> well, I'm a gnome user.
[06:56] <scyrma> :)
[06:56] <cycom> this is literally the first time I've been able to get it working on anything other than a mac.
[06:56] <scyrma> I might become one ..
[06:57] <cycom> scyrma: Linus' opinion aside, I rather enjoy gnome.
[06:58] <scyrma> there's something strange happening.. when I press "arrow up", it starts ksnapshot..
[06:58] <RAOF> scyrma: KDE works, for a sufficiently loose definition of works.
[06:58] <cycom> scyrma: funny keybindings?
[06:58] <scyrma> looked that up, nothing changed since yesterday..
[06:58]  * RAOF 's definition of "works" seems fairly strictly aligned with "does things like GNOME", actually.
[06:59] <scyrma> RAOF, I guess it's time I see for myself, I guess
[06:59] <scyrma> I kinda liked my setup, so .. a bit afraid of change, strangely
[06:59] <scyrma> sounds like "1+1=3 for sufficiently large values of 1"
[07:00]  * scyrma types the dreaded aptitude line
[07:00] <cycom> I literally just got hardy right where I wanted it today, but when I heard that my mighty mouse bug was fixed in intrepid ibex, I had to switch.
[07:03] <cycom> OH MY GOD! Suspend/resume works!
[07:03] <cycom> hehe, I didn't even get connected from ssh!
[07:03] <cycom> I'm pleased as punch.
[08:43] <mattik> Hello, In intrepid I got this error in KDE starting: The file or folder /home/mattik/Desktop/ does not exist.
[08:44] <mattik> Is it fixed in kde 4.2 or is it coming to Intrepid?
[09:38] <mattik> Hello, In intrepid I got this error in KDE starting: The file or folder /home/mattik/Desktop/ does not exist.
[09:40] <gnomefreak> mattik:  does ~/Desktop work?
[09:42] <mattik> gnomefreak: Hello, It is same error as before this /home/Desktop is different place as Desktp I see. I heared this is some property
[09:43] <mattik> I mean /home/mattik/Desktop
[09:43] <gnomefreak> mattik: im sorry its early here. what do you mean?
[09:43] <gnomefreak> with ~/Desktop gives same error?
[09:44] <mattik> Oh sorry
[09:44] <mattik> I haven't got Desktop
[09:44] <mattik> folder
[09:45] <mattik> It's Työpöytä, finnish
[09:46] <mattik> Maybe localization is not ready yet
[09:47] <mattik> I have to change some environment variable?
[09:52] <mattik> gnomefreak: I think you use gnome :) But do you remeber where is file where I have to change Desktop to Työpöytä. It's under .kde maybe?
[09:52] <gnomefreak> mattik:  i use 4 or 5 DE including kde3 and 4
[09:52] <mattik> ok
[09:53] <gnomefreak> mattik: yes its in ~/.kde
[09:53] <gnomefreak> if you haave a ~/.kde4 than use that. im not sure if that transfer is finished yet
[09:56] <mattik> is it under share folder
[09:57] <mattik> I mean /.kde/share
[09:58] <gnomefreak> mattik:  im not looking at it atm but should be
[09:58] <gnomefreak> mattik: give me a minute ill look but i have brace on hand
[09:59] <mattik> thank you :)
[10:05] <gnomefreak> what exactly are you doing? im talking to a dev about this
[10:06] <gnomefreak> System Settings -> About Me -> Paths
[10:06] <gnomefreak> that is where you should find it
[10:08] <gnomefreak> be back in a few, smoke
[10:09] <mattik> thank you :)
[10:14] <gnomefreak> is that what you were looking for?
[10:17] <mattik> gnomefreak: yes :), thank you very much
[10:17] <gnomefreak> any time
[10:20] <mattik> flash doesn't work in konqueror yet, but it worked right in firefox.
[10:22] <gnomefreak> mattik: you might have to add it in konq's prefernces
[10:22] <gnomefreak> like you do with opera
[10:22] <gnomefreak> unless kde changed that
[10:27] <mattik> it's using flashplugin-alternative, I scanned it and it installed this path automatically. It have to been flashplugin-nonfree?
[10:31] <gnomefreak> mattik: yes
[10:32] <mattik> hmm. I have to find it some other way than scanning
[10:33] <gnomefreak> update-alternatives?
[10:34] <gnomefreak> be back booting kde
[11:02] <quentusrex23> How is the new ATI linux support? within the last year
[11:03] <LSD|Ninja> Intrepid is supposed to have the open source drivers. I haven't tested them yet as the only machine I'm prepared to waste as a Linux machine has an nVidia card in it
[11:08] <quentusrex23> thanks LSD|Ninja. Do you know where I can find people to ask about the support?
[12:06] <scyrma> well, just for reference... moving my old .kde and .kde4 out of the way fixed my problems... kde4 working "fine"
[12:06]  * scyrma can happily go home now
[13:38] <mattik> Hello, Is it possible to get restricted drivers for Ati Mobility Radeon X700
[13:41] <mattik> I have installed Ubuntu Intrepid Alpha, but it said my GPU doesn't have restricted drivers possibility. In Hardy it was possible.
[15:07] <phomes> I just installed intrepid next to my hardy install. I then copied ~/.ssh over from the hardy one. But for some reason it won't accept my password. Could this be an intrepid bug or am I just doing it wrong?
[15:10] <phomes> remote version is OpenSSH_4.7p1 Debian-8ubuntu1.2 btw
[15:15] <ssam> have you checked that its not a blacklisted key?
[15:15] <ssam> or that the permissions are right
[15:15] <ssam> try running ssh with verbose output
[15:17] <phomes> yes. I made a new one after the blacklist. I tried with -v and all looks good up till it asking for my password. It works fine on hardy still
[15:19] <ssam> i have moved keys between machines and installs before without problems
[15:38] <cypherdelic> Hey guys my Keyboardbindings are totally fucked up
[15:38] <cypherdelic> cant use arrow keys properly in any application
[15:38] <cypherdelic> sry for language
[15:38] <cypherdelic> uuh
[15:39]  * cypherdelic lays down on a guilloutine and says: just do it
[15:45] <johanbr> After the last round of updates, myCtrl key no longer works in gnome. Also, keypresses don't repeat any more.  Still i cant use arrow keys in typing :(((((( very annoying
[16:28] <johanbr> cypherdelic: If I set the gnome keyboard preferences to "Generic" and "Evdev controlled", the arrow keys work, kind of. But they don't repeat...
[16:28] <cypherdelic> evdev controlled, hold on
[16:30] <cypherdelic> so wim reassigning with evdev managed
[16:30] <cypherdelic> now the tags are XF86
[16:30] <cypherdelic> how to delte ones i dont use? mabye thes block arrow keys
[16:31] <cypherdelic> because they have this 0x## sheme
[16:31] <johanbr> Delete what?
[16:31] <cypherdelic> a minding
[16:31] <cypherdelic> deactivate it in gnome-keybingings-properties
[16:31] <cypherdelic> binding
[16:33] <cypherdelic> i dont see any way, but switch back to Generic 105 Key and reassign the ones i use with ne bindings of the ones that i want to be delted
[16:33] <cypherdelic> then switch to ev and reconfigur the ones i use
[16:33] <cypherdelic> isnt there an easier way to deactivate a keybinding?
[16:34] <cypherdelic> :(
[16:34] <cypherdelic> oh btw arrows work, so i just ignore this old bindings, tz
[16:36] <cbr> does the new network-manager package work?
[16:38] <johanbr> cbr: Haven't tried yet, but the n-m package from the PPA works. I think they're more or less the same.
[16:38] <cbr> which ppa?
[16:39] <johanbr> https://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive
[16:39] <cbr> thanks
[16:42] <jtechidna> hmm, well an updated knetworkmanager isn't in Intrepid yet it seems, I guess I'll have to enable that ppa
[16:42] <cbr> that's why i was interested as well :p
[16:43] <jtechidna> it removed network-manager-kde <.<
[16:43] <cypherdelic> I remember i could switch the behauviour of running processes for example to restart (when closed) where do i do i that, i remembered it in session?
[16:44] <cbr> /var/lib/dpkg/info/network-manager.postinst: 35: /usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required: not found
[16:44] <cbr> aww crap
[16:44] <cbr> the installation failed
[16:45] <cbr> actually it didnt
[16:45] <cbr> but it sounded a warning
[16:47] <cbr> crap, it says network-manager isn't configured
[16:47] <johanbr> Edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/network-manager.postinst and comment out the notify-reboot-required line.
[16:49] <cbr> i guess it updates it
[16:49] <cbr> because the line is uncommented again
[16:50] <cbr> can i just run configure on it somehow?
[16:50] <cbr> with dpkg?
[16:50] <cbr> so it wont actually update the file from the .deb?
[16:51] <cbr> o
[16:51] <cbr> --configure
[16:52] <cbr> k, trying it out
[16:54] <lokpest> Will Ibex have kde3 in repo? I got both yes and no as ansers
[16:54] <lokpest> answers*
[16:55] <Serega> hi there
[16:56] <Serega> guys, after a recent update my arrow keys stopped to work in KDE4. Though they work fine in ttys and xev shows events
[16:57] <johanbr> Happened to me in gnome too.
[16:57] <johanbr> I wonder which package is buggy, if it happens in both kde and gnome.
[16:58] <Serega> johanbr: oh. cool...
[16:58] <Serega> let's figure out together :)
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> lokpest: Ibex will only have kde3 versions of applications where a stable version for kde4 isn't available
[16:59] <Serega> most annoying issue when coding
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> otherwise it's all kde4
[16:59] <lokpest> isnt kde3 maintained at all?
[17:00] <lokpest> I think that some folks that run kde3 and dont like kde4 might fork kde3
[17:00] <jimmyspark> kde 4 is a bit wierd
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> lol no, a fork isn't going to happen
[17:01]  * lokpest likes kde4 btw
[17:01] <jimmyspark> its not very consistent the styling
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> jimmyspark: what do you mean?
[17:02] <JontheEchidna> all the apps seem pretty consistent to me
[17:02] <jimmyspark> well the vista style styling is cool, but as soon as you hit the menu bar or move away from the desktop the widget set it totally different and much more conservative
[17:02] <JontheEchidna> ah, plasma vs rest of the destkop
[17:03] <JontheEchidna> well there are some conservative plasma themes out ther
[17:03] <cbr> yeah, seems to work well
[17:03] <cbr> can't try wifi cuz i dont have any networks available here
[17:15] <Unksi> hmm, whats up with network-manager-kde? is it getting replaced soon? :)
[17:15] <ryanakca> When I try to start X, I get '(EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0) (EE) No drivers available.'  ... same thing happens with nvidia and vesa. What should I install?
[17:17] <cbr> there were rumours about there being a network-manager plasmoid in preparation
[17:17] <Unksi> ok
[17:17] <cbr> but nothing specific
[17:18] <johanbr> ryanakca: Try xserver-xorg-video-nv
[17:19] <johanbr> And xserver-xorg-video-vesa
[17:21] <ryanakca> johanbr: same problem
[17:40] <cypherdelic> OK, Arrow Keys left and right work for my now, but I still cant use the Up-Arrow to cycle through what i have said (or i.e.e terminal history)
[17:40] <cypherdelic> What he does is a Screenshot :/
[17:40] <cypherdelic> But i definetly put Screenshot to Print Key in gnome-keybinding-properties
[17:41] <cypherdelic> but that dont work on that key :/
[17:43] <cypherdelic> no matter what keys i bind to the screenshot function, it will only work with up-arrow ;X
[17:44] <ryanakca> What is intrepid's equivalend of nvidia-glx-new?
[17:44] <ryanakca> s/lend/lent/g
[17:44] <cypherdelic> nvidia-glx-1##
[17:44] <cypherdelic> ##=version you ant
[17:47] <ryanakca> cypherdelic: thanks
[17:48] <cypherdelic> now prob had the same issue when firstly rebooted into intrepid ;)
[17:50] <cypherdelic> any suggestions to my Up-Arrow key problem binding stays on Screenshot :(
[17:52] <JonPackard> Good news about bug 246067 - It seems to have been fixed in the last kernel update (2.6.26-5)!
[17:52] <JonPackard> any chance somebody else can confirm this? :)
[17:54] <bardyr> Hey, does anyone know when nm-0.7 hits the repos or if there are any pre rls debs?
[17:55] <johanbr> It's there already (but may not have hit your local mirror yet).
[19:33] <bardyr> Hey, i just upgraded (update-manager -d) to intrepid from hardy, but what ever i try to do, X will only run in low res mode.
[19:33] <bardyr> it seems like it wont even read the xorg.conf file
[19:33] <bardyr> any known issues?
[20:41] <k0p> when I can get the last intrepid iso?
[20:42] <Serega> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/intrepid/alpha-3/
[20:42] <Serega> k0p: here
[20:43] <k0p> Serega, thanks
[20:43] <k0p> another question
[20:43] <Serega> np
[20:43] <Serega> go ahead
[20:44] <k0p> packages after have advocates on revu will test on intrepid repositories?