[12:00] <nortoncillo> yep
[12:00] <andreas_> if your linux is hda1.2.3
[12:00] <andreas_> wait a sec
[12:00] <PurpleFly> thanks mon_
[12:00] <nortoncillo> yes ide0 is hda1,2,3
[12:01] <nortoncillo> and the  win98se hd is hda1
[12:01] <nortoncillo> hdc1 sorry
[12:02] <randabis-laptop> anyne get the radio stations working?
[12:02] <mon_> randabis-laptop: work here, tried a few days ago that is..
[12:03] <randabis-laptop> none of them work for me
[12:04] <linux_mafia> randabis-laptop, use streamtuner
[12:05] <randabis-laptop> can I apt-get it?
[12:05] <linux_mafia> randabis-laptop, yes
[12:05] <randabis-laptop> good
[12:06] <Prower> Anyone know how I might be able to disable ntp synchronization to the Ubuntu server? It doesn't seem to be able to connect anyway :>
[12:06] <jdub> Prower: time and date in system configuration
[12:06] <mon_> randabis-laptop: "can i apt-get it?" use apt-cache search <progname> for that :)
[12:07] <Prower> jdub: Thanks...I'm looking there now, it doesn't seem to be checked though
[12:08] <xan> hi
[12:08] <randabis-laptop> sweet
[12:08] <randabis-laptop> mon_ I know, I was being lazy
[12:08] <randabis-laptop> I gots my streaming trance/techno fix now :)
[12:09] <xan> are there known causes for random hangs on ubuntu/ppc (powerbook)? the radeon and xfree maybe?
[12:11] <randabis-laptop> cool 160 kbps stream
[12:11] <Prower> That's odd...apparently the Ubuntu installer put on the NTP client, but not the server :>
[12:12] <randabis-laptop> ooh even better...192
[12:12] <Ensiferum> is there a way to have a new file/folder created with a different group than the user's primary group?
[12:14] <HrdwrBoB> Ensiferum: you have to chmod it afterwards
[12:14] <Ensiferum> HrdwrBoB: you mean chgrp?
[12:15] <HrdwrBoB> well chgrp will work also
[12:15] <Ensiferum> is there no other way?
[12:15] <jamin_l> my iPod is stuck mounted
[12:16] <jamin_l> i tried unmouting the drive from the Ubuntu side... but the iPod
[12:16] <jamin_l> is still blinking "Do not disconnect"
[12:17] <andreas_> doe ipod work on linux?
[12:18] <andreas_> i thought about getting one
[12:18] <andreas_> ;)
[12:18] <jamin_l> it was recognized
[12:18] <jamin_l> and the linux side unmounted it
[12:18] <netmonk> linux_mafia, need your help ;)
[12:18] <jamin_l> the iPod thinks it's still attached\
[12:19] <freerock> how can I get ubuntu to mount my iPod?
[12:19] <andreas_> jamin_l: check if your usb hub is still on (hotpluggged)
[12:20] <jamin_l> it's firewire
[12:20] <andreas_> havent tried firewire yet ;)
[12:21] <andreas_> freerock: hm...try to google it
[12:21] <jamin_l> get gtkpod
[12:21] <freerock> andreas_, shouldn't it automatically do it?
[12:21] <jamin_l> it's in the synaptic packet manager
[12:22] <subterrific> jamin_l: you need to unload the kernel module
[12:22] <andreas_> freerock: http://people.csail.mit.edu/people/adonovan/hacks/ipod.html
[12:22] <jamin_l> subterrific: explain?
[12:22] <subterrific> jamin_l: i'm having trouble remembering the name of the module, its like sdpb2 or something
[12:23] <freerock> andreas_, thanks, I know how to do it manually, I thought ubuntu would auto detect all my hardware for me, thus why I am trying it out
[12:23] <subterrific> but you need to run: rmmod sdpb2 (or whatever the module is named)
[12:23] <jamin_l> what does it mean to unload the kernel?
[12:23] <subterrific> you can use lsmod to find out what module it is
[12:23] <subterrific> kernel module...
[12:23] <freerock> spb2
[12:23] <subterrific> thats it
[12:24] <subterrific> jamin_l: rmmod spb2
[12:24] <andreas_> jamin_l: modprobe
[12:24] <freerock> err sbp2
[12:24] <subterrific> do that and the ipod will say you can disconnect it safely
[12:24] <subterrific> jamin_l: rmmod sbp2
[12:24] <subterrific> heh
[12:24] <jamin_l> do i have to download that from SPM?
[12:24] <freerock> just run eject /dev/ipoddevice to get rid of that message
[12:24] <subterrific> no
[12:25] <freerock> no need to remove the sbp2 module
[12:25] <subterrific> oh cool
[12:26] <jamin_l> module spb2 does not exist in /proc/modules/ ....
[12:27] <freerock> sbp2
[12:27] <jamin_l> yes sorry
[12:28] <jamin_l> i typed that properly in the term
[12:28] <jamin_l> but not here
[12:28] <jamin_l> same error i just can't type
[12:28] <drspin> mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#
[12:28] <drspin> any ideas????
[12:28] <drspin> it worked before
[12:28] <Haukkari> Umm, you don't have loopback device support in the kernel?
[12:28] <Haukkari> modprobe loop
[12:29] <randabis-laptop> add loop to /etc/modules
[12:37] <jamin_l> hmmmm "Removing sbp2: Operation not permitted"
[12:37] <jamin_l> do i need to sudo it?
[12:37] <astroraptor> I'm having trouble connecting to a Windows share, it's really slow and I can't play MP3's using XMMS using it, can anyone help me out?
[12:38] <jamin_l> woohoo
[12:38] <jamin_l> i disconnected it
[12:38] <Ward> Isnt there an mplayer in ubuntu?
[12:38] <lek> not by default
[12:38] <drspin> umount: it seems /mnt/iso is mounted multiple times
[12:38] <drspin> any ideas?
[12:39] <jamin_l> *hugs everyone for their help*
[12:39] <astroraptor> heh
[12:40] <mroth> hmm.. the hoary array 2 cd seems to be freezing on OOo when installing
[12:41] <drspin> what can I use to create Adobe Illustrator Compatible vector files?
[12:44] <drspin> ??
[12:44] <Ward> lek: and where can I find the mplayer version then? or isnt there a package  for ubuntu.   But, they might be in restricted (add restricted like you added universe)
[12:49] <nortoncillo> why andreas_
[12:49] <sladen> avifile-win32-plugin
[12:49] <andreas_> its just a mess
[12:49] <Ward> ok
[12:49] <nortoncillo> talking abour messes... it didnt worked out
[12:49] <andreas_> i liked the drake from mandrake better ;)
[12:49] <andreas_> what happend?
[12:50] <nortoncillo> sends me to the grub bash
[12:51] <andreas_> hm.. sowhen you try to write win98 there, it didnt work?
[12:51] <nortoncillo> i choose the win98 from the menu and then... grub bash
[12:51] <andreas_> I JUST LOVE DCHROOT :D:D:D
[12:51] <astroraptor> how can I mount a smb Windows share?
[12:52] <andreas_> man mount
[12:52] <andreas_> hm...see if you hd1.0 is right
[12:52] <astroraptor> man mount?
[12:53] <nortoncillo> now im playing ith grubconf
[12:53] <andreas_> HrdwrBoB: nice program ;)
[12:53] <andreas_> astroraptor: yesa, write man ount in a terminal en enjoy reading :P
[12:54] <andreas_> nortoncillo: sometimes playing is the best thing to do ;)
[12:54] <andreas_> but try google it too
[12:54] <andreas_> find out how other people stuffed their win98 in there...
[12:54] <nortoncillo> grubconf is a gui grub editor
[12:54] <adamZ> astroraptor: you can also do it graphically through nautilus (the file manager). Look in the file menu, connect to server
[12:54] <andreas_> nortoncillo:  hceater
[12:55] <nortoncillo> ??
[12:55] <andreas_> cheater :P
[12:55] <nortoncillo> haha
[12:55] <andreas_> let me see
[12:56] <nortoncillo> in synaptic, go and look for grub, in names and descriptions
[12:56] <andreas_> its about 2 am in africa... and in norway (on the other side of the south pole) its 1am... should i go to bed
[12:56] <astroraptor> Connect to Server is really slow and I can't add MP3's that are on the share to my playlist
[12:56] <nortoncillo> ??....
[12:56] <andreas_> nortoncillo: who cares :P :P :P i hate synaptic... thats the only thing ubuntu could remove
[12:56] <nortoncillo> andreas_ what time do you have in your puter?
[12:57] <nortoncillo> haha
[12:57] <andreas_> my computer goes one hour to fast ;)
[12:57] <andreas_> damn i stink
[12:57] <andreas_> need an shower too
[01:00] <netmonk> I can't get in gnome. it tells me: gnome-session: 9498 : WARNING **:  Unable to read ICE authority file: /home/netmonk/.ICEauthority. Can anyone please help me?
[01:01] <JoePenguin> netmonk: Find out if that file exists and who owns it:  ls -l /home/netmonk/.ICEauthority
[01:02] <netmonk> JoePenguin, it exists, it sais root
[01:02] <JoePenguin> netmonk: well then, that's the problem.
[01:02] <netmonk> how can I fix it? by cnanging owenership?
[01:03] <drspin> netmonk: delete that file
[01:03] <JoePenguin> netmonk: Either use chown to change ownership of the file to netmonk, or delete the file as root and it will probably be recreated.
[01:05] <davep_infoseeker> hi all!
[01:06] <davep_infoseeker> just wondering about setting up an internal ubuntu mirror
[01:06] <davep_infoseeker> can I set a mirror up witout mirroring all of the ppc and 64bit packages?
[01:06] <netmonk> drspin, JoePenguin, haleluiah! it worked. for about half hour I was frozen because didn't have back up. thanks for the help
[01:07] <JoePenguin> davep_infoseeker: either apt-proxy or debmirror is probably what you want.
[01:07] <davep_infoseeker> I can use those for the ubuntu mirror? which one is better?
[01:08] <JoePenguin> davep_infoseeker: They both do different things. apt-proxy is good for saving bandwidth
[01:08] <JoePenguin> apt-cache show apt-proxy
[01:08] <JoePenguin> apt-cache show debmirror
[01:08] <JoePenguin> read the descriptions
[01:09] <davep_infoseeker> rtfm? ;) thanks
[01:10] <JoePenguin> i pointed you in the right direction. I don't like to type out things that are documented elsewhere :)
[01:10] <davep_infoseeker> :) i understand . . . I saw those earlier but I have never setup a mirror before so I wasnt sure if they would work with ubuntu as well as debian
[01:11] <JoePenguin> I don't think that the tool knows the difference. It deals with .deb packages and that's all it cares about.
[01:11] <davep_infoseeker> ok great!
[01:12] <davep_infoseeker> does ubuntu have a network install disk? Or can you only install by CD?
[01:12] <drspin> netmonk: Glad I could help
[01:12] <davep_infoseeker> disk = floppy
[01:12] <JoePenguin> THe only time I used debmirror is when I needed to have a full mirror in a place where I had no network access.
[01:12] <davep_infoseeker> I see
[01:13] <davep_infoseeker> I am setting up a internal mirror in central america the only internet access is via a satellite system and costly bandwidth so I dont want all of my nodes on the network to be fetching stuff out across the sat link
[01:13] <davep_infoseeker> just from the local mirror
[01:13] <JoePenguin> davep_infoseeker: I would be a little surprised if Ubuntu did not have a network install method.
[01:14] <JoePenguin> davep_infoseeker: Then apt-proxy is exactly what you want.
[01:14] <poningru> hi real noob here need help with a display problem
[01:14] <poningru> the problem? it doesnt
[01:14] <davep_infoseeker> Well when you go to download ubuntu it shows to download the cd's or order cd's no mention of a boot floppy
[01:15] <poningru> when I try to boot into ubuntu, it just blanks out (my monitor turns off)
[01:15] <poningru> I am on compaq presario 2140us
[01:15] <poningru> ati 320
[01:15] <davep_infoseeker> poningru: once it turns off push ctrl-alt-+
[01:16] <poningru> what does that do?
[01:16] <JoePenguin> davep_infoseeker: hmm... i wonder if there is a netboot image on the cd
[01:16] <davep_infoseeker> by default it trys to display 1024x768 or something . . . if you monitor is not that good then pushing that will switch the display to 800x600
[01:17] <poningru> thats the thing though my monitor does display 1024x768
[01:17] <JoePenguin> poningru: Is ubuntu already installed, or are you booting from a CD?
[01:17] <poningru> already installed
[01:17] <imaek> Hi
[01:17] <imaek> I have a problem
[01:17] <poningru> and the weird thing is when I used the live cd this was not a problem
[01:17] <davep_infoseeker> maybe Joe. . . Ill check, I was gonna setup my mirror then just use a floppy to kick things off for each desktop
[01:17] <imaek> well actually it is quite a large problem.
[01:17] <linuxjones> imaek, hwat is it ?
[01:18] <imaek> Something has been wrong with ALSA ever since I installed KDE
[01:18] <imaek> there has always been a large ammount of static while no sound is playing
[01:18] <linuxjones> imaek, you probably just need to tell kde to use alsa and not oss
[01:18] <imaek> Well
[01:18] <davep_infoseeker> poningru try the ctrl-alt-+ thing
[01:18] <davep_infoseeker> see if it works
[01:18] <imaek> Even when I use Gnome
[01:18] <davep_infoseeker> if not then we can check some other stuff
[01:18] <imaek> (which is what I primarally use)
[01:18] <imaek> I get this terrible static
[01:18] <poningru> k I will give it a try
[01:19] <imaek> How do I do this?
[01:19] <imaek> Here - let be restart into KDE.
[01:19] <imaek> Be right back.
[01:20] <randabis-laptop> eew kde
[01:20] <imaek> Alright, I am in KDE.
[01:21] <imaek> How can I change it so that it uses ALSA instead of OSS
[01:22] <linuxjones> imaek, I use Gnome but I think it's under sound system from the K menu
[01:23] <JoePenguin> imaek: Control Center -> Sound & Multimedia -> Sound System
[01:23] <imaek> It is disabled
[01:23] <imaek> Should I enable it?
[01:23] <JoePenguin> enable it, and then check the hardware tab
[01:23] <linuxjones> yeah to use alsa it needs to be enabled
[01:23] <imaek> It says it is using ALSA.
[01:24] <JoePenguin> ok, accept the changes
[01:24] <imaek> Nothing has changed
[01:24] <imaek> Should it have?
[01:24] <imaek> I still have the static.
[01:24] <JoePenguin> are you sure that the static isn't a hardware problem?
[01:24] <imaek> Well
[01:24] <imaek> If I boot into windows it doesn't do it
[01:24] <imaek> and
[01:24] <imaek> before I installed KDE
[01:24] <imaek> it was fine.
[01:25] <JoePenguin> very strange
[01:25] <imaek> Yes.
[01:25] <JoePenguin> what kind of sound card do you have?
[01:25] <imaek> Let me check
[01:25] <imaek> Ensoniq AudioPCI
[01:26] <imaek> Well that's what it says in "alsamixergui"
[01:26] <imaek> I'm not sure that's correct.
[01:26] <poningru> hey back again
[01:26] <poningru> that ctrl-alt-+ thing did not work
[01:27] <JoePenguin> poningru: how far does the boot process get before your screen blanks out?
[01:27] <poningru> it says loading gnome, and I hear the drum beating sound
[01:27] <JoePenguin> interesting
[01:28] <JoePenguin> is that computer nearby, or are you dual booting?
[01:28] <poningru> see the thing is in live cd it works if I specify 1024x768 and frame buffer
[01:28] <poningru> dual booting
[01:28] <andreas_> say another mediaplayer then audio grabbar
[01:28] <poningru> it works with that
[01:28] <andreas_> say another mediaplayer then xmms
[01:28] <andreas_> ;)
[01:28] <poningru> but in booting from hd those things dont work
[01:28] <JoePenguin> andreas_: mplayer, noatun
[01:29] <JoePenguin> mpg321
[01:29] <davep_infoseeker> poningru: is your harddrive full? a similar thing happened to me
[01:29] <poningru> no lots of space left
[01:29] <superkitty> anybody use Ubuntu to burn cd ISOs?
[01:29] <linuxjones> superkitty, yeah
[01:29] <andreas_> wich command was it i could look how much diskspace i got left
[01:29] <JoePenguin> poningru: do you have a Radeon graphics card?
[01:29] <andreas_> ?
[01:29] <DeepSpaceAnt> hey I heard all the DEV teams have the new FGLRX drivers but havnt released them till ATI officially announces it?
[01:29] <davep_infoseeker> poningru: you sure gnome got installed properly?
[01:29] <JoePenguin> andreas_: df -h
[01:29] <linuxjones> superkitty, just open Nautilus and right click on the .iso file
[01:29] <poningru> ati 320
[01:30] <andreas_> thanks JoePenguin
[01:30] <jamin_l> any idea why I'd be able to see but not copy files to a FAT32 partition?
[01:30] <JoePenguin> poningru: i asked because i had to do the same framebuffer trick on someone's HP laptop last night to boot the live CD. I wonder if it's a known problem with ATI cards
[01:30] <DeepSpaceAnt> hey I heard all the DEV teams have the new FGLRX drivers but havnt released them till ATI officially announces it?
[01:31] <andreas_> what is tmpfs, swap?
[01:31] <JoePenguin> jamin_l: Yes, probably the permissions on the mount point specify that only root has write access.
[01:31] <davep_infoseeker> anyone know where to switch your language after the install is finished? (not gnome)
[01:31] <JoePenguin> andreas_: no, it is a filesystem that lives in RAM
[01:31] <poningru> see someone said in one of the forums that you can disable the 3d acel to work
[01:32] <linuxjones> jamin_l, check this out >> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[01:32] <poningru> but dont know how to
[01:32] <andreas_> damn its getting late again
[01:32] <imaek> Argh. This is so agrivating.
[01:32] <imaek> :(
[01:32] <ciber> hi guyz I'm trying to boot windows (/dev/hdc5), but I don't know how to add it to grub, I put root root	(hd5,0) but nothing happens :( How have I to configure the root in grub?
[01:33] <sladen> ciber: that's for a Linux kernel
[01:33] <ciber> root?
[01:33] <andreas_> ciber (hd0/1,5
[01:33] <ciber> no ! :(
[01:33] <ciber> /dev/hdc5           20321       39685     9759456    7  HPFS/NTFS
[01:33] <ciber> it's windows
[01:33] <sladen> ciber: you want something lie:
[01:33] <sladen> title           Windows NT/2000/XP
[01:33] <sladen> root            (hd0,0)
[01:33] <sladen> savedefault
[01:33] <sladen> makeactive
[01:33] <sladen> chainloader     +1
[01:33] <jamin_l> JoePenguin, I actually can't alter permissions on it, for whatever reason.  Even when in a root terminal
[01:33] <JoePenguin> ciber: to grub, hd(5,0) means the first partition on the 6th hard drive. obviously wrong
[01:34] <sladen> ...but with (hd0,4)
[01:34] <ciber> ohh ok
[01:34] <JoePenguin> /dev/hdc5 probably corresponts to  (hd2,5)
[01:34] <ciber> ohh :D
[01:34] <ZzeCoOl> ciber
[01:34] <ciber> okey Ill try :P
[01:34] <ZzeCoOl> listen
[01:34] <ciber> ok
[01:34] <andreas_> ciber (hd0,5) :D
[01:34] <ZzeCoOl> await
[01:34] <ZzeCoOl> wait
[01:34] <sladen> ciber: sorry  (hd2,4)
[01:34] <JoePenguin> wait...
[01:34] <ZzeCoOl> http://ubuntuguide.org/#addwindowsentrygrubmenu
[01:34] <ciber> okey
[01:34] <JoePenguin> yes,  hd2,4
[01:34] <andreas_> ciber (hd20,45) :D
[01:34] <ZzeCoOl> http://ubuntuguide.org/#addwindowsentrygrubmenu
[01:34] <ciber> :P
[01:34] <ciber> :D
[01:34] <andreas_> damn this is aggrevating
[01:34] <ZzeCoOl> here read this
[01:34] <andreas_> ciber (hd2,4) :D
[01:34] <ciber> ;)
[01:35] <JoePenguin> poningru: well, i can offer a suggestion
[01:35] <ciber> ZzeCoOl Ill red that thanks :P
[01:35] <poningru> yes please
[01:35] <andreas_> damn... should i go to bed?
[01:35] <andreas_> or get cedega going
[01:35] <andreas_> ... big questions of life
[01:35] <ZzeCoOl> http://ubuntuguide.org/ is the place to read before ask anything.... most commn tasks are there
[01:36] <ZzeCoOl> andreas_: what about cedega?
[01:36] <ciber> ZzeCoOl I was asking and that was the answer <andreas_> ciber (hd2,4) :D In ubuntu guide that doesn't appear
[01:36] <ciber> :P
[01:36] <ciber> well I'll try bye thanks guys :D
[01:36] <ZzeCoOl> ohh hok
[01:36] <ZzeCoOl> ok
[01:36] <JoePenguin> poningru: hmm... do you know how to use a text editor from the command line?
[01:36] <ZzeCoOl> andreas_: to you want to setup cedga?
[01:37] <andreas_> ZzeCoOl: i get this really agrevating thingy, just wait a sec and i post it ;)
[01:37] <andreas_> yes
[01:37] <poningru> yes
[01:37] <andreas_> iam running dchroot
[01:37] <poningru> not really
[01:37] <ZzeCoOl> JoePenguin: "vi" "nano"
[01:37] <ZzeCoOl> nano is better
[01:37] <JoePenguin> ZzeCoOl: I know
[01:37] <ZzeCoOl> vi more complicated
[01:37] <superkitty> where would i open nautilus?
[01:37] <poningru> well kinda
[01:37] <ZzeCoOl> JoePenguin: then what are u asking?
[01:38] <JoePenguin> ZzeCoOl: I was asking poningru, not #ubuntu
[01:38] <JoePenguin> poningru: ok good. when your system boots and you hear the drums, press Ctrl-Alt-F2 to get to a login prompt, then edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:39] <ZzeCoOl> im confused....prabably this waz a joke between u 2 but u can tell any joke u want prive ...nevermind
[01:39] <JoePenguin> poningru: You're looking for where it shows which driver it is using for your graphics card. Probably "ati" or something like that
[01:39] <andreas_> damn... no the dchroot is fucked up to
[01:39] <JoePenguin> ZzeCoOl: I needed to know if poningru knew how to use a text editor.
[01:39] <ZzeCoOl> JoePenguin: nahhhh im mistake
[01:39] <ZzeCoOl> sorry
[01:40] <andreas_> i cant go into my win disk
[01:40] <ZzeCoOl> sori wa mistaken
[01:40] <linuxjones> superkitty, click  Places>>home
[01:40] <ZzeCoOl> stupid filthy keyboard
[01:40] <JoePenguin> poningru: My suggestion is to change the driver to "vesa"
[01:40] <linuxjones> superkitty, navigate from there
[01:40] <andreas_> even if my dchroot /etc/fstab is looks good
[01:40] <JoePenguin> poningru: It's a generic driver that has a high chance of working
[01:40] <ZzeCoOl> poningru: do you have an ATi driver problem?
[01:41] <JoePenguin> ZzeCoOl: his screen comes up blank when his system boots, though he can hear some drums as it boots into Gnome
[01:41] <ZzeCoOl> hmmm
[01:41] <poningru> ok let me go try it
[01:42] <ZzeCoOl> does it shows that an X server allready running in display :0 or something?
[01:42] <JoePenguin> ZzeCoOl: He had to use a special option when he booted from his Live CD
[01:42] <ZzeCoOl> ohhh it is about live cd?
[01:42] <JoePenguin> no, it is installed now
[01:42] <ZzeCoOl> i dont know a shit about it
[01:42] <ZzeCoOl> aha
[01:42] <JoePenguin> The point is, whatever graphics driver Ubuntu thinks it should use for his card is not working.
[01:43] <sladen> does he know what the driver that might work is?
[01:43] <JoePenguin> sladen: I suggested using the vesa driver
[01:43] <poningru> thnx guys will try it and report back in 10 mins
[01:44] <superkitty> how do i use nautilus to burn an ISO?
[01:44] <JoePenguin> superkitty: I have no idea.
[01:44] <andreas_> ZzeCoOl: about that cedega
[01:44] <JoePenguin> dammit, i forgot my login to ubuntulinux.org and the "forgot password" thing isn't working.
[01:44] <andreas_> does it work in 64 bit?
[01:44] <Gwildor> hello
[01:45] <Gwildor> anyone know the exact size of a default warty install?
[01:45] <andreas_> hello
[01:45] <JoePenguin> Gwildor: I don't know.
[01:45] <andreas_> sorry
[01:45] <Gwildor> well, is 4 gigs enuff......
[01:45] <Gwildor> thats total HDD size
[01:45] <andreas_> yeah
[01:45] <JoePenguin> Gwildor: I'd bet money on it
[01:45] <Gwildor> kk, thnx :)
[01:45] <superkitty> Gwil i can check for you
[01:45] <Gwildor> superkitty: please do :)
[01:46] <superkitty> a tad over two gig... but i dont have a default install
[01:46] <andreas_> do yuall use gnome?
[01:46] <lerio> hi! question: when i upgrade to hoary, shall i enable only the hoary-related repositories and deselect all the warty ones?
[01:47] <Gwildor> superkitty: thnx, that is good enuff, i plan to remove stuff too......gnome for one
[01:47] <andreas_> ush... white chokolate with water
[01:47] <ciber> ohh that didn't worked andreas_
[01:47] <superkitty> Gwil i have KDE and Gnome
[01:47] <ciber> :''(
[01:47] <Gwildor> superkitty: so its prob like 1.5 gig or near
[01:47] <andreas_> superkitty: how can i add kde in 64bit?
[01:48] <andreas_> ciber: hm...
[01:48] <ciber> andreas_ I invite u please :( #flood
[01:48] <superkitty> andreas, not sure actually
[01:48] <andreas_> just try 0.5 ;)
[01:48] <linuxjones> superkitty, to burn a .iso file in Nautilus just reight click the .iso file and select burn
[01:48] <superkitty> i can tell you how i did it with my 386 though
[01:48] <ciber> andreas_ is for show you my fdisk :(
[01:48] <andreas_> i havent found any 64 bit packackes anywhere...but mandrake ships with
[01:48] <Riddell> andreas_: same as for 32 bit
[01:49] <andreas_> Riddell: so i can just install 32 bit?
[01:49] <andreas_> ciber: say again?
[01:49] <Riddell> andreas_: there should be 64 bit packages of everything
[01:49] <ciber> #flood is for my fdisk -l andreas_
[01:49] <ciber> :P
[01:49] <lerio> sorry, can somebody help me?
[01:50] <superkitty> andreas change your sources list to allow universe
[01:50] <superkitty> lerio whassup?
[01:50] <lerio> thanks superkitty: when i upgrade to hoary, shall i enable only the hoary-related repositories and deselect all the warty ones?
[01:50] <andreas_> superkitty: hm, you mean apt-get sources
[01:51] <superkitty> andreas yep
[01:51] <Gwildor> lerio: you *change* the waarty ones TO hoary.....just replace the word "warty" with "hoary"
[01:51] <andreas_> then i google a bit
[01:51] <superkitty> lerio i would deselect the warty ones,
[01:51] <JoePenguin> lerio: Yes
[01:53] <lerio> thanks guys. are there some "safe" external repositories that work fine with hoary?
[01:54] <astroraptor> how can I add a command to run at boot up?
[01:54] <superkitty> lerio i would stick with the default ones unless you need something that isnt available
[01:54] <andreas_> what happend to ciber
[01:54] <andreas_> he thought i was angry with him
[01:55] <superkitty> astroraptor you add the command to the .bashrc file
[01:55] <lerio> superkitty: ok, thanks!
[01:56] <astroraptor> thank you
[01:56] <astroraptor> where is this file located?
[01:56] <andreas_> damn... who is actually using ubuntu
[01:56] <astroraptor> me
[01:56] <andreas_> am i the only one from norway?
[01:56] <astroraptor> :P
[01:56] <hidro> Does anyone know how to fix the bug with the warty-amd64 version that prevent X from starting on a machine with the ATI Radeon Mobility 9700?
[01:57] <superkitty> astroraptor i honestly dont know in Ubuntu
[01:57] <andreas_> hidro: not to be any kind of unkind... but google works ;)
[01:57] <astroraptor> hmm
[01:57] <astroraptor> alright
[01:57] <hidro> Ok, thanks, Adrea. I'll try that first.
[01:58] <superkitty> astroraptor what command do you want to run at startup?
[01:58] <Xenguy> astroraptor: what is the specific command you want to run on boot-up?
[02:00] <astroraptor> mounting a smb Windows client
[02:02] <Rasta> hi, i get one of the cds that ships ubuntu
[02:03] <HaRDaWaY> hi people
[02:03] <Rasta> right now im with the Live CD, once installed its faster_
[02:03] <Rasta> ?
[02:05] <andreas_> damn baby...was it that easy
[02:05] <andreas_> fuck... why didnt i just add that universe source at one
[02:06] <andreas_> what is the command for wich kernel i use?
[02:06] <Ward> uname -a
[02:11] <mindphasr> mono still broken?
[02:18] <superkitty> anybody try Beatrix?
[02:22] <Gwildor> i have :)
[02:22] <Gwildor> superkitty:
[02:22] <superkitty> Gwildor, did you like it?
[02:22] <Gwildor> yeah, its nice :)
[02:23] <Gwildor> nice little live cd.....
[02:23] <superkitty> i thought so too
[02:23] <superkitty> has most of the importand programs
[02:23] <Gwildor> there is #beatrix....though no longer official, #beatrix owner and beatrix DEV got into a fight
[02:24] <superkitty> well i hope that doesnt stop the mini distro
[02:28] <regeya> where the devil does the gnome networkign tool store the wvdial config...when my machien starts up, it fires up a connection, connects at 9600 baud.
[02:29] <regeya> it's not /etc/wvdial.conf, because when I kill the connection via poff then bring it back up via pon, my hand-configured /etc/wvdial.conf seems to get wvdial to do the right thing
[02:29] <regeya> but at startup, 9600 baud.
[02:30] <regeya> 9600 has been unacceptable since, well, when did 9600 baud become commonplace? ;-)
[02:31] <regeya> what seems odd is that all I had to do to build an acceptable config was to do a minor edit of what 'wvdialconf' generates.
[02:33] <thursday> does anyone running firefox-1.0 have the directory ~/.fullcircle/MozillaOrgFireFox10LinuxIntel.......
[02:38] <regeya> seriously, I can find no wvdial ocnfig other than /etc/wvdial.conf.
[02:39] <arakno> i preffer using pppconfig + modem lights applet
[02:40] <regeya> that's nice arakno!  I like pie.
[02:42] <regeya> I decided to do things the ubuntu way because I fired up the network config tool to configure an ethernet card instead of doing it by hand, and the network config tool clobbered my ppp settings.
[02:42] <Cube-ness> anybody know if theres a working driver for hermes II wifi cards?
[02:42] <arakno> i tried using that too, it acted weird
[02:42] <regeya> also I got lazy and tried using firestarter, and firestarter tried to tell me that ppp0 wasn't configured.
[02:43] <arakno> I think it needs the connection to be active, that sucks
[02:43] <regeya> that's just the point.  the connection WAS active.
[02:44] <arakno> that didn't seem to happen here, are you using wvdial?
[02:45] <regeya> arakno: I AM NOW, since Firestarter didn't seem to like it that I had configured /etc/networking/interfaces myself, and since the gnome netowkring tool just went and clobbered my old /etc/networking/interfaces file anyway when I decided 'hey, why don't I see how well this doohickey will work for configuring eth0'
[02:46] <regeya> dial-on-demand and firing it up on startup is simple, and I had done it the recommended debian way.  I guess the debian way isn't good enough. ;-)
[02:47] <arakno> damn, I wish I could dial on demand in Brazil :P
[02:48] <regeya> why can't you?  Just curious...
[02:48] <arakno> it's expensive
[02:48] <regeya> ah.
[02:49] <arakno> it's ok only on weekends and from 00:00 to 6:00
[02:49] <regeya> and I complain because I'm still doing dialup.  I shouldn't because, hey, I get a flat fee per local call
[02:50] <andreas_> does ubuntu have a prog that monitors cpu temp=
[02:50] <andreas_> ?
[02:50] <arakno> I'm not sure if there's any installed by default, I don't think so
[02:51] <arakno> regeya: why don't you get broadband?
[02:52] <andreas_> and i complain of low dsl rate :(
[02:52] <regeya> arakno: no affordable plan where I live.  I don't live in a town, and just about my only options are either satellite or similarly-priced plans.
[02:52] <regeya> heh
[02:52] <arakno> I'm waiting for a dsl to be installed here, I just hope my phone line doesn't have any problems
[02:53] <regeya> u.s. companies are in no hurry to make the whole country broadband-capable, and when they do, they won't be in a hurry to make it ultra-cheap.
[02:53] <regeya> hell, I've seen a couple of local dialup ISPs that are raising their dialup rates.
[02:54] <andreas_> ive had dsl for three years
[02:54] <zenrox> 35 bucks for adsl 768kdown/128kup
[02:54] <arakno> in Brazil there are a few good free isps
[02:54] <zenrox> fiber 1mb up/down 29 bucks
[02:54] <arakno> at least about that I can't complain
[02:54] <andreas_> its now really cheap, and really fast... but i signe the wrong deal
[02:54] <andreas_> 5 year contract :(
[02:54] <zenrox> opps
[02:54] <zenrox> lol
[02:54] <regeya> I've heard rumors that verizon will upgrade the local lines Real Soon Now.
[02:54] <arakno> eheh, I will be getting 256/128 for about 33 dollars
[02:55] <andreas_> regeya: dont count on it.... :P
[02:55] <andreas_> even the t1,2,3 sucks
[02:55] <poningru> hey guys, do you know an easy method to editing xf86config
[02:55] <arakno> and that's expensive considering the dollar ratio
[02:55] <zenrox> regeya,  hopfully sooner
[02:55] <poningru> a gui method?
[02:55] <andreas_> sure
[02:55] <regeya> there's a DSL provider down the road from me but they can't provide service to me.
[02:55] <andreas_> xf86cfg
[02:55] <zenrox> poningru,  gedit /etc/X11/xf86config
[02:56] <zenrox> poningru,  sudo gedit /etc/X11/xf86config
[02:56] <regeya> I work 15 miles away and they can provide service there, though.
[02:56] <poningru> ok thank you
[02:56] <andreas_> regeya:  wich state do you live in?
[02:56] <regeya> Illinois.
[02:56] <regeya> and you're in, you're in norway, eh?
[02:56] <daniels> Riddell: not really, I'm afraid
[02:57] <IBOIC> time to put ubuntu to rest
[02:57] <IBOIC> i tried livecd alpha
[02:57] <IBOIC> i pressed f1 and f2
[02:57] <regeya> I'm in the southernmost part of Illinois, which is a long way from chicago in many ways.
[02:57] <IBOIC> but it still asks for login
[02:57] <andreas_> regeya: yes
[02:57] <regeya> must we all put ubuntu to rest?
[02:57] <andreas_> but i lived in texas
[02:57] <IBOIC> what is login name and password for ubuntu livecd?
[02:57] <cswanson> hey all, I'm having a problem with xmms in ubuntu, when I go to start it I get "libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object". Has anyone seen this before?
[02:57] <IBOIC> i mean hoary alpha
[02:57] <merhojt__> how do i enable ntp server??
[02:58] <HrdwrBoB> IRCsloth: yeah it's broken
[02:58] <HrdwrBoB> IRCsloth: install mikmod
[02:58] <HrdwrBoB> and it'll work
[02:58] <andreas_> well...everybody
[02:58] <IRCsloth> ok, thanks
[02:58] <andreas_> good naight
[02:58] <Riddell> daniels: oh well, no problem someone was asking is all
[02:58] <regeya> good night?
[02:58] <IRCsloth> so that's just an apt-dependency that's not met?
[02:58] <regeya> what time is it for you, andreas_?
[02:58] <HrdwrBoB> IRCsloth: no, it's a libc bug
[02:58] <IRCsloth> ah, ok
[02:59] <IRCsloth> that was easy :-)
[02:59] <HrdwrBoB> yes :)
[02:59] <andreas_> regeya: 3 am
[02:59] <IRCsloth> trying ubuntu for the first time today at the reccomendation of a friend, it's quite nice
[02:59] <andreas_> way to late.... ;)
[03:00] <regeya> andreas_: go to bed! :-)
[03:00] <mdz> regeya: on the alpha live CD, you need to login as 'root'
[03:00] <IRCsloth> it's the first distro I've used that worked on my little averatec laptop with next to no tweaking, very nice!
[03:00] <arakno> hey is anyone here using the ooqstart applet from universe?
[03:01] <mdz> regeya: as I wrote in the announcement email
[03:01] <arakno> it works fine here but always crash when i logout
[03:01] <regeya> mdz:
[03:02] <regeya> mdz: thanks, if I ever give the livecd a try, I'll keep that in mind.
[03:02] <IBOIC> mdz:  that was me
[03:02] <IRCsloth> HrdwrBoB: thanks, installed that package and it works now. :-)
[03:02] <IBOIC> mdz:  root and what password?
[03:02] <IBOIC> mdz:  Thanks btw
[03:02] <HrdwrBoB> IRCsloth: excellent :)
[03:02] <mdz> regeya: ah, sorry
[03:02] <mdz> meant that for IBOIC
[03:03] <IBOIC> mdz:  What should i put for password?
[03:03] <mdz> IBOIC: no password; you will not be prompted
[03:03] <IBOIC> ok
[03:03] <regeya> :-D
[03:03] <IBOIC> alt f1, alt f2 then root
[03:03] <IBOIC> got it :)
[03:03] <IBOIC> needed to do the alt f1 trick :)
[03:03] <mdz> that is no longer necessary with current builds
[03:03] <IBOIC> mdz oh
[03:04] <IBOIC> so which is the new build :)
[03:05] <mdz> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[03:05] <mdz> (see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCD)
[03:05] <IBOIC> mdz which one u recommend as being the most stable of em all?
[03:06] <IBOIC> mdz:  the one of aily-live/20050109.2?
[03:06] <mdz> IBOIC: stable?  none of them; if you want that, use the warty live CD :-)
[03:06] <IBOIC> no no
[03:06] <arakno> ubuntu is already seven in distrowatch :)
[03:06] <IBOIC> i mean i want to test it
[03:06] <IBOIC> the alpha
[03:06] <Crane> hello
[03:06] <mdz> IBOIC: the current one, then
[03:06] <IBOIC> mdz:  Ok that is .2 right?
[03:07] <mdz> IBOIC: there should be a 'current' symlink
[03:07] <mdz> yeah, at the bottom
[03:07] <IBOIC> ok got it thanks :)
[03:07] <IBOIC> replacing the alpha with the daily
[03:07] <IBOIC> gonna wipe my cdrw
[03:07] <Crane> is there a way of running trace route frome terminal?
[03:07] <Crane> what is the command?
[03:07] <mdz> tracepath
[03:08] <mdz> or traceroute
[03:08] <Cube-ness> grr.. disconnected.. I asked about hermes II pcmcia wifi cards in ubuntu.. anybody know anything? doesnt work 'out of the box'
[03:08] <Crane> mdz, Thanks, why tracepath and not traceroute?
[03:08] <Crane> traceroute is not a command on ibuntu
[03:08] <Crane> ubuntu
[03:08] <mdz> Crane: because if I can only retrain the world to use tracepath rather than traceroute, we can remove traceroute (and therefore one more setuid root binary) from the system ;-)
[03:09] <mdz> Crane: security
[03:09] <Crane> mdz, lol oh ok
[03:09] <Crane> just wondering
[03:09] <mdz> I thought we had both in base, but I suppose not
[03:09] <mdz> all the better ;-)
[03:10] <Crane> :)
[03:10] <Crane> Well I did a full install of hoary from nightly Cd last night
[03:10] <Crane> sheesh
[03:11] <IBOIC> when i meant put ubuntu to rest FYI i meant the livecd alpha :)
[03:11] <IBOIC> which mdz said was fixed :)
[03:11] <IBOIC> thanks again
[03:12] <Crane> does the Hoary live CD work well?
[03:13] <IRCsloth> Where is the setting to disable the spacial settings in gnome again? It's annoying to have a new window opened every time I use the graphical filebrowser
[03:13] <stuNNed> mdz, due to hsf linuxant modem drivers not working with warty kernel, think there will be a fix? or unsupported?
[03:14] <Crane> IRCsloth, computer>desktop preferances>file Managment
[03:14] <IRCsloth> thanks
[03:14] <Crane> IRCsloth, then behavior tab
[03:15] <arakno> damn, this xchat server list always tricks me
[03:15] <Crane> oh hello all how goes it
[03:15] <Crane> :)
[03:15] <JoRock> how does ubuntu handle SATA drives?
[03:16] <paulproteus> JoRock: As SCSI disks.
[03:16] <paulproteus> ("Usually.")
[03:16] <paulproteus> But automatically.
[03:18] <JoRock> like will it be able to set up a boot loader on a sata without killing windows?
[03:20] <IRCsloth> thanks again for the help guys, I'm outta here
[03:23] <IBOIC> okie
[03:26] <poningru> w00t
[03:26] <poningru> this worked
[03:26] <poningru> thank you joepenguin if you are still aroun
[03:26] <poningru> around
[03:27] <poningru> and the others who helped
[03:31] <Mabus> is it possible to run Xorg with the fglrx driver ?
[03:31] <HrdwrBoB> no
[03:31] <Mabus> I have installed the restricted-modules package, but it just gives me "Failed to load module fglrx" when I try to start x
[03:32] <Mabus> right
[03:33] <Mabus> I dont really need 3d support, I just want TV out.
[03:33] <Mabus> someone told me it should work with 2d - but I could be dreaming.
[03:35] <Riddell> robertj: try asking ubuntulog
[03:35] <grepper> is x-window-system-core the right X metapackage in hoary ?
[03:35] <jintonic> what's a good, free game for linux other than tuxracer?
[03:36] <robertj> grepper: trying to avoid the destkop base pkg?
[03:36] <robertj> jintonic: wesnoth
[03:36] <daniels> grepper: x-window-system
[03:36] <jintonic> i don't like turn-based games
[03:37] <grepper> well, x-window-system is just core plus xdm, xterm and a few others I think
[03:37] <grepper> just wondering cause my X is borked with a radeon 7500  that should work fine
[03:37] <mako> robertj: :)
[03:38] <mako> robertj: thanks for that :)
[03:38] <robertj> hehe
[03:42] <IBOIC> hmmm
[03:42] <jintonic> how could i get command line to run at a higher resolution?
[03:42] <grepper> is only xorg available in hoary ?  Perhaps I could try xfree and see if it solves the problem
[03:42] <IBOIC> x doesnt start from alpha hoary ehh?
[03:42] <IBOIC> how do i setup xfree in livecd?
[03:43] <IBOIC> errr x.org since its hoary rather
[03:43] <robertj> any motion users here (the free webcam software, not the very expensive animation software)
[03:49] <magnon> has anyone used samba on ubuntu a lot?
[03:49] <randabis-laptop> I use it
[03:49] <magnon> with windows?
[03:49] <randabis-laptop> yes
[03:50] <magnon> I'm having a lot of trouble with it now - linux boxes authenticate to it with smbclient, but nautilus nor windows works
[03:50] <magnon> have you had any problems like that?
[03:50] <randabis-laptop> yes, I don't know why it happens
[03:50] <trey3> magnon: users have accounts (set up using smbpasswd)?
[03:50] <magnon> trey3: yes, they authenticate fine using smbclient
[03:51] <magnon> but it doesn't get discovered by Windows or Nautilus as a server anyway
[03:51] <trey3> magnon: user or share security?
[03:51] <magnon> user
[03:52] <magnon> I could use share if I needed to though
[03:52] <Faustus> hey
[03:52] <trey3> nmbd is started?
[03:52] <magnon> yes
[03:52] <trey3> magnon: it won't complain that way... workgroup  :/
[03:52] <magnon> workgroup is WORKGROUP
[03:53] <trey3> magnon: no... workgroup is share...
[03:53] <randabis-laptop> lately I can't even browse the windows network
[03:53] <magnon> hmm?
[03:53] <randabis-laptop> don't know why
[03:53] <magnon> trey3: what did you mean?
[03:53] <Faustus> I'm trying to eject a data CD, "eject", "eject /dev/cdrom", "eject /dev/hdb" as user or with sudo do not eject the cdrom.  Anyone run into this?
[03:54] <Faustus> eject from right click doesn't work either
[03:54] <randabis-laptop> it's not a big deal because I use nfs to communicate between my laptop and my main box, but my printer is connected to my sister's box which is a windows machine
[03:54] <trey3> magnon: security type dictates whether its a workgroup or domain etc... a domain can be called "WORKGROUP" if you wanted  :/
[03:54] <magnon> oh
[03:54] <Faustus> music data cds eject fine
[03:54] <magnon> so, I should do... what?
[03:55] <randabis-laptop> Faustus, probably has to be unmounted before it will eject
[03:55] <randabis-laptop> eject should unmount it though so that's weird
[03:55] <Faustus> yes I tried that too
[03:55] <magnon> not always if it's busy
[03:55] <magnon> Faustus: you might have to kill HAL, I've experienced that
[03:55] <magnon> hal or gnome-volume-manager
[03:55] <trey3> magnon: if both windows boxen and linux boxen are set to domain, and nmbd is set up... should work... also try winbind though (AD auth)
[03:55] <Faustus> sudo umount -f pathway  says it is busy even though I have no apps accessing it
[03:56] <magnon> trey3: ok, I'm a bit illiterate at this though - the windows box isn't set up as anything really
[03:56] <randabis-laptop> can windows boxes use nfs?
[03:56] <LinuxNIT> can you get drivers for lexmark x63 printer in ubuntu?
[03:56] <trey3> Faustus: you're sure you're not in the dir? lsof the device..
[03:57] <trey3> magnon: set up share level security... much easier... likely don't need a server situation  :)
[03:57] <trey3> (likely what Windows boxes are set up for anyways...)
[03:58] <magnon> ok, thanks
[03:58] <magnon> I should read a bit
[03:58] <magnon> on this
[04:01] <mdz> stuNNed: I don't know much about the linuxant drivers
[04:01] <Prower> I find it interesting that after upgrading to a P4 2.8GHz, I've been playing nothing but old C64 games for about a month
[04:02] <trey3> Prower: hah... so money well spent :)
[04:02] <magnon> mdz: yeck, other that they cost money and things like that
[04:02] <Prower> trey3: I suppose it's probably less than what a real one on eBay would have cost :>
[04:03] <trey3> Prower: :)
[04:03] <mdz> magnon, stuNNed: in that case, it's unlikely that we'll be able to do much to make them work better
[04:06] <trey3> than*
[04:06] <jintonic> castle of the winds
[04:06] <trey3> jintonic: not in hoary?
[04:06] <jintonic> in wine
[04:06] <drspin> what do I install for Sound Juicer to use mp3?
[04:07] <jintonic> there's a wiki on it
[04:07] <trey3> drspin: gstreamer0.8-mad or gstreamer0.8-lame (decode and encode respectively)
[04:08] <trey3> uhh... so *-lame would be useful for SJ...
[04:08] <bassinboy> whats a good cd burner frontend for gnome ?
[04:09] <jintonic> ubuntu.com solves tons of problems
[04:09] <trey3> bassinboy: coaster or gnome baker
[04:10] <trey3> bassinboy: (gnome baker looks nice...  http://biddell.co.uk/gnomebaker.php)
[04:10] <trey3> coaster = very simple... gnome baker = kinda like k3b
[04:11] <jintonic> how do add the option vga=791 to grub?
[04:11] <poningru> simple
[04:11] <mdz> jintonic: add it to the 'kopt' line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:11] <trey3> jintonic: either press escape when prompted, or (what mdz said)
[04:11] <trey3> doh, beat again  :(
[04:11] <mdz> ...and run update-grub
[04:12] <drspin> what cd ripping front ends do you all use?
[04:12] <poningru> question: my laptop fan keeps on running is it because of 'nolacip'
[04:12] <bassinboy> grip
[04:12] <poningru> ?
[04:13] <jintonic> but just in case vga791 makes funny colors on my screen or something, if i set vga=791 in the kopt then am i screwed?
[04:13] <trey3> drspin: grip and sound juicer are nice... sj is gstreamer though, so will get more attention...
[04:13] <drspin> gstreamer won't encode to mp3
[04:13] <jintonic> until i change it by using the ubuntu disk to recovery or something like that, i mean
[04:13] <drspin> even with ALL gstreamer plugins installed
[04:13] <drspin>  :/
[04:13] <jintonic> yup
[04:13] <trey3> jintonic: kinda... hence what I said about hitting esc during boot...
[04:14] <SiLeNt_SiM> hey
[04:14] <trey3> drspin: works here with cdparanoia and lame gstreamer plugins? file a bug if its not working there...
[04:14] <drspin> does sj write ID3 V2 tags?
[04:14] <SiLeNt_SiM> i have a question about the free pressed cd's..what is the highest # of cd's have you ordered?
[04:15] <trey3> SiLeNt_SiM: nuOpus ordered something like 60-ish for academic purposes...
[04:16] <SiLeNt_SiM> Are they still free?
[04:16] <trey3> SiLeNt_SiM: yes...
[04:16] <SiLeNt_SiM> no matter how many you order? Because i was just wonder as i wanted to order a lot, maybe around 60ish or 100 range to give to customers
[04:17] <trey3> SiLeNt_SiM: I don't think they would have issues with that...
[04:18] <trey3> SiLeNt_SiM: they are free so we put them in the hands of friends etc... so long as they are going to good use, they will be happy  :)
[04:18] <SiLeNt_SiM> OK Thanks a lot :)
[04:18] <SiLeNt_SiM> by the way, do they just call you and ask you? or they need any papers, etc?
[04:18] <trey3> SiLeNt_SiM: with that kind of volume... they even give you a holder for them  :P
[04:19] <SiLeNt_SiM> Lol Great1
[04:20] <SiLeNt_SiM> How come there are no operator's in here?
[04:20] <daniels> SiLeNt_SiM: there are, but no-one is using +o at the moment because there is no need to
[04:20] <SiLeNt_SiM> Also, i think Ubuntu needs a logo change to replace those three people in a circle :p
[04:20] <SiLeNt_SiM> OK
[04:20] <trey3> SiLeNt_SiM: freenode keeps tabs of such things via channelserv... keeps everyone on an even status etc...
[04:20] <poningru> so sim start flooding
[04:21] <SiLeNt_SiM> lol
[04:21] <poningru> you will soon have your wish
[04:21] <SiLeNt_SiM> How
[04:21] <trey3> SiLeNt_SiM: ops usually get slammed with help questions etc... most ops here are devels, they have better things to do  :P
[04:21] <calamari> hi
[04:22] <SiLeNt_SiM> ;p;
[04:22] <trey3> calamari: hey  :)
[04:22] <calamari> hi trey3
[04:22] <SiLeNt_SiM> Not to mention getting flooded with private messages.
[04:22] <calamari> I have a mpu-401 midi board on my sound card.. anyone know how to get midi going?
[04:24] <calamari> hmm I think I found something.. nm :)
[04:25] <trey3> calamari: hah... yay  :)
[04:27] <Crane> is there a way to do a minimal install of Ubuntu?
[04:27] <trey3> Someone really should fix the problem with small task bar items in hoary  :(
[04:27] <trey3> Crane: yes... 'custom' at the installer prompt...
[04:28] <trey3> Crane: or if you really like headaches... 'expert'  :P
[04:28] <Crane> trey3, Cool thanks
[04:28] <trey3> Crane: yw  :)
[04:28] <calamari> how minimal is minimal.. do you still get gnome?
[04:28] <Crane> heh I had enough "expert" last night with hoary
[04:29] <trey3> calamari: if you select it, you get gnome...
[04:29] <trey3> Crane: hah... hoary is being very friendly to me right now  :)
[04:29] <calamari> oic
[04:30] <Crane> trey3,  me too...now, but it didn't want to install from cd
[04:30] <Dekkard|away> trey3: how was the last hoary upgrade?
[04:30] <Crane> last night'
[04:30] <trey3> Crane: ahh... I haven't tried that method... only via dist-upgrades...
[04:31] <trey3> Dekkard|away: I use the servers to upgrade... haven't gotten any hoary CD's yet...
[04:31] <Dekkard> exactly.
[04:31] <Dekkard> as do we all
[04:31] <trey3> Dekkard: so far, only issues were easy enough to fix...
[04:31] <Dekkard> they just make me nervous
[04:31] <Crane> trey3, stick with dist-upgrade, cd didn't install xorg, any type of desktop either
[04:31] <trey3> (things like flac etc)
[04:31] <trey3> Crane: just apt-get install xserver-xorg after install...
[04:32] <trey3> Crane: didn't get pulled in automatically here either..
[04:32] <Crane> trey3, thats what I ended up doing. using apt for xserver, gnome, and fluxbox
[04:33] <trey3> Although I am yet to figure out why... because x-window-system-core depends xserver-xorg explicitly  :/
[04:33] <mlambie> is the Window Manager considered to be part of the Operating System?
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> trey3: .. yes
[04:33] <trey3> mlambie: umm.. no..
[04:33] <Dekkard> wow.. only 275 packages to upgrade...
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> mlambie: that depends on your definitions
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> mlambie: make them up yourself if you like
[04:33] <trey3> HrdwrBoB: yes what?
[04:34] <HrdwrBoB> trey3: what is the problem with x-window-system-core depending on xserver-xorg
[04:34] <Crane> mlambie, no, I have a server running with no x or windows manager but it still has Operating system
[04:34] <trey3> HrdwrBoB: other than it not actually pulling in xserver-xorg during dist-upgrades... nothing afaik
[04:34] <trey3> HrdwrBoB: hence my confusion though... it _should_ but doesn't  :/
[04:35] <daniels> trey3: don't uninstall ubuntu-desktop if you want reliable dist-upgrades
[04:35] <daniels> Crane: um, if you run with 'expert', you don't get that sort of thing installed by default
[04:35] <trey3> daniels: I haven't ... and certainly didn't remove x-window-system-core... issue is fixed, but was weird...
[04:36] <Crane> daniels, I did a normal install from cd
[04:36] <daniels> Crane: which CD, hoary or warty?
[04:36] <Crane> daniels, I wonder if for some reason it went to expert mode
[04:36] <trey3> Crane: depending on your definition... Operating System is usually kernel or kernel and libc etc...
[04:37] <daniels> it'd be a stretch to call the WM part of the OS
[04:37] <Crane> daniels, hoary nightly iso
[04:37] <Crane> trey3, I agree
[04:37] <trey3> ahh... that was for mlambie, but he's long gone  :/
[04:37] <calamari> wow it's working :)
[04:38] <Crane> :)
[04:38] <calamari> if I had to modprobe something, will it be gone when I reboot, or will the system remember?
[04:38] <jintonic> can i see whats going on in another login session? like pts/1 when i'm on pts/0
[04:39] <trey3> calamari: depends whether you put it in /etc/modules before rebooting  :P
[04:39] <calamari> lol, thanks :)
[04:39] <drspin> could someone help me diagnose my cdrom problem??
[04:39] <trey3> drspin: we could try... what are symtoms?  :)
[04:41] <trey3> whoa... political rap song *g* ... Cunninlynguists - Dying Nation
[04:41] <Seq> drspin: its not plugged in properly
[04:41] <Seq> ahh, he left
[04:42] <Crane> hey speaking of CDrom problems
[04:43] <Crane> I can't eject mine
[04:43] <Crane> :(
[04:43] <Seq> Crane: is it mounted?
[04:43] <Crane> yep says its in use
[04:44] <Crane> device is busy
[04:44] <Seq> Crane: do you have anything accessing anything on it?
[04:44] <trey3> Crane: get out of the dir (and close windows pertaining to it) and umount it...
[04:44] <drspin> sorru bout that --
[04:45] <trey3> Seq drspin: its not plugged in properly
[04:45] <trey3> Seq ahh, he left
[04:45] <Seq> :p
[04:45] <Crane> not in  the directory trying to umount from terminal
[04:45] <drspin> I'm not sure what the problem is -- my cd drives are screwy... I only have 1 /dev/cdrom and I should have two
[04:45] <Crane> nothing is accessing it as far as I can tell
[04:46] <trey3> drspin: you're sure its not /dev/hdc (and perhaps /dev/hdd) ?
[04:46] <drspin> yes those work -
[04:46] <Seq> Crane: lsof | grep /mnt/cdrom
[04:46] <Seq> or /media/cdrecorder i guess it is, or whatever your system mounts to
[04:46] <trey3> drspin: since 2.6, cdroms are no longer listed differently to harddrives... hd* defines ide cable location
[04:47] <Crane> Seq, nothing
[04:47] <geppy> How can I get the kernel-source for the ubuntu build of <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386?
[04:47] <drspin> trey: thanks :)
[04:47] <geppy> I'm trying to build something, and it needs the kernel sources.
[04:47] <trey3> Crane: what all is running right now... and are you at a terminal (if you're at a terminal, type 'cd' and try again...
[04:47] <Seq> Crane: open the nautilus 'computer' view, right click, and select 'eject'. maybe nautilus itself is locking the mount point
[04:48] <trey3> geppy: apt-get install linux-source-`uname -r`
[04:48] <drspin> trey3: Now could you tell me why I'm ripping at 1.3x as opposed to 8-13x I'm used to?
[04:48] <drspin> trey3: DMA is enabled
[04:48] <trey3> drspin: because K3B sucks... and you didn't define speed= to cdrecord  ;)
[04:48] <geppy> trey3:  It appears that only kernel-sources for 2.4.x
[04:49] <drspin> trey3: I meant ripping
[04:49] <drspin> ;)
[04:49] <trey3> drspin: ahh... dunno there...
[04:49] <trey3> geppy: kernel-source is debian... linux-source is ubuntu...
[04:49] <Seq> drspin: i only rip at about 2-3x myself
[04:49] <geppy> trey3: Thanks!  =D
[04:50] <Seq> and only 1.something if i'm in power saving mode
[04:50] <Crane> aaahhhhhh
[04:50] <Crane> sorry I was entering command wrong
[04:50] <Crane> it's cdrom0 not cdrom
[04:51] <Crane> seems famd is the culprit
[04:51] <trey3> Crane: no really... 2.6 doesn't use /dev/cdromX anymore..
[04:51] <trey3> ahh @ people who still use famd
[04:52] <Seq> trey3: there is a /media/cdrom0 for mounting, which /media/cdrom is a symlink to
[04:52] <Crane> what is famd
[04:52] <trey3> Seq: thats not device... thats just a dir on the fs... could be /sga/ghahdfga/ahfdsh/ if you wanted... irrelivant
[04:54] <Seq> trey3: thats true, but Crane was trying to umount. he was probably trying to umount with the mountpoint of /media/cdrom instead of /media/cdrom0.
[04:54] <Seq> trey3: nothing to do with /dev
[04:55] <Crane> Seq, neither work, checking on famd
[04:56] <Seq> Crane: try this: /etc/init.d/famd stop
[04:56] <calamari> well.. midi is working.  so easy.  Ubuntu is awesome :)
[04:56] <Seq> it might be fam instead of famd. whichever, just stop it
[04:57] <Crane> Seq, that did it thanks
[04:57] <Seq> Crane: are you using hoary or warty?
[04:57] <Crane> Seq, just wondering.... what did I just stop and should I start it back
[04:58] <Crane> warty
[04:58] <Crane> on this pc
[04:58] <Seq> nautilus, and such in warty use famd to detect changes to the filesystem automatically. new files, folders, modifications, etc.
[04:59] <Seq> so you can stop it from running completely, but you'll lose that functionality. not a big deal, you can always refresh a nautilus window when needed
[04:59] <Seq> you could also have a look at the fam config to tell it to not monitor your removable media. which i can't help you with, because i dont have fam
[05:00] <Crane> Seq,  so it I have it stoped and copy a file to another folder, it just won't show up untill I refresh/reload window?
[05:01] <Crane> Seq,  you don't have it? are you using warty or hoary? And is there an alternative?
[05:01] <Seq> Crane: im using hoary. in hoary, nautilus uses other means to monitor the file system
[05:02] <sensebend> natilus uses gamin I believe in hoary
[05:02] <trey3> Seq: Gamin  ;)
[05:02] <Crane> Cool
[05:02] <Seq> there you go. i hadn't looked into it, i've been too busy getting ready for school
[05:02] <medep> can you install kde on ubuntu?
[05:03] <sensebend> medep, yes, but it's not supported
[05:03] <Seq> i've got windows in it's nice little vmware session. i'm good for school now :p
[05:03] <medep> what exactly does that mean
[05:04] <Crane> Thanks for all the help!!!
[05:04] <JDahl> medep, you can install KDE it if you like it over gnome... Ubuntu just polishes their gnome packages and setup more
[05:05] <Seq> hey linux_galore
[05:05] <linux_galore> <-- runs KDE
[05:05] <medep> ok well i tried apt-get install kde and it wouldnt do it
[05:05] <trey3> Not using GNOME on Ubuntu just seems weird...
[05:05] <Crane> trey3, yep
[05:06] <sensebend> trey3, I've seen people do it on the forums
[05:06] <trey3> What do such people see as the plus' of Ubuntu over Debian Sid in such situations?
[05:06] <Crane> medep, rty apt-get install kde-desktop
[05:06] <medep> k
[05:06] <sensebend> Crane, will doing that add the option of a KDE session to GDM?
[05:06] <linux_galore> I know my way around kde like a fish in water...5 min and Ive got KDE so wacked out customised you wonder if it is kde at all
[05:06] <trey3> Crane: you mean kde-base
[05:06] <trey3> or just kde
[05:07] <trey3> no such package as kde-desktop though.
[05:07] <Crane> trey3, I was guessing :)
[05:07] <JDahl> linux_galore, kde is too "flashy" for my taste... I like the simplicity of gnome
[05:07] <medep> cant find the package
[05:07] <linux_galore> lol @ gnome being simple
[05:07] <Crane> medep I believe if you us apt or synaoptic it will
[05:07] <trey3> linux_galore: you don't think it is?
[05:07] <linux_galore> no
[05:08] <linux_galore> gnome is just as bloated if not more than kde
[05:08] <trey3> linux_galore: report why to gnome usability list please...
[05:08] <trey3> linux_galore: ha
[05:08] <trey3> linux_galore: I've had that argument so many times... kde always loses... although it does feel fast these days...
[05:09] <linux_galore> dont get me wrong I really tried to like gnome.... one minute its feature mad the next its .eeer how the hell do i turn this off they have removed everything
[05:09] <trey3> linux_galore: had the argument with calc... ex kde maintainer...
[05:09] <medep> http://pastebin.com/227105
[05:09] <Crane> medep, can you use synaptic?
[05:09] <medep> thats what synaptic gave me
[05:10] <trey3> linux_galore: if you can't find the option... its in gconf  :/
[05:10] <linux_galore> yeah I run kde 3.3  3.2 is slow
[05:10] <jdub> guys, leave out the gnome/kde discussion thanks
[05:10] <agwibowo> hello.........
[05:10] <sensebend> medep, have you enabled Universe?
[05:10] <medep> linux-galore how did you install it?
[05:10] <agwibowo> i can't get my radeon working with ubuntu
[05:10] <trey3> medep: #debian-kde for kde help
[05:10] <medep> i dunno how do i check
[05:10] <agwibowo> i followed everything in the wiki page
[05:10] <agwibowo> still no luck
[05:11] <agwibowo> got the error message "screen not found"
[05:11] <linux_galore> trey3: Ive looked at the poor mans version of the windows registry and found it very confusing in gnome nothing like kcontrols to the point simplicity
[05:11] <sensebend> medep, in synaptic go to repositories
[05:11] <trey3> medep: well, help related to debian/ubuntu's kde packages specifically, else #kde
[05:11] <jintonic> i have some weird problems with ubuntu that i think (based on limited linux experience) is a problem with 2.6 kernel support of my motherboard (FIC KT-748)
[05:11] <trey3> linux_galore: jdub just asked to stop such discussion... if you really have to continue that, /msg me...
[05:11] <linux_galore> lol
[05:12] <medep> ok i am in the repositiroies
[05:12] <linux_galore> (has had some real nasty run in with jdub)
[05:12] <jintonic> such as: from booting the ubuntu install cd once install gets to the graphical interface half the time it freezes
[05:12] <sensebend> make sure the universe repository is enabled
[05:12] <Crane> quick question, if fam is a problem can I remove it and install gamin instead? I found it in synaptic
[05:12] <trey3> medep: the ubuntu packages of kde are the same as debian's... please take your issue to #debian-kde!
[05:12] <sensebend> yes Crane
[05:12] <jintonic> and: on ubuntu boot i get an error about a certain hardware address not able to be accessed
[05:13] <daniels> medep: (actually, they aren't, quite)
[05:13] <Crane> sensebend, cool thanks
[05:13] <jdub> trey3: they're not the same packages, please don't send ubuntu users to debian channels
[05:13] <sensebend> what problem is fam creating?
[05:13] <medep> THANKS TREY3 YOUR SO HELPFUL
[05:13] <medep> I AM OUT
[05:13] <sensebend> agreed jdub. debian people have made it clear they don't want to support Ubuntu in their channels
[05:13] <oldlady> Hi, everyone.
[05:14] <jintonic> i've tried different keyboards, different video cards, disconnect the mouse, nothing makes the error go away in boot up
[05:14] <jdub> sensebend: regardless, it's off-topic in those channels
[05:14] <linux_galore> have they got kde 3.3.1 on Ubuntu's servers yet had to use a kde script and download 3.3 from kde direct
[05:14] <sensebend> just as we probably wouldn't want to support sid or sarge in here
[05:14] <jintonic> er, setup i mean
[05:14] <trey3> jdub: #debian-kde is actually nice... I'd never send someone to #debian though...
[05:14] <poningru> hey guys my laptops fan just wont turn off
[05:15] <jintonic> yeah, they hate ubuntu users for some stupid reason
[05:15] <linux_galore> lol
[05:15] <poningru> But I have acpi on though
[05:15] <jdub> guys, ubuntu questions are off-topic in debian channels, there is nothing wrong with that
[05:15] <poningru> err apci
[05:15] <sensebend> indeed
[05:15] <trey3> jintonic: they have a NIH philosophy... even though it technically was  :/
[05:16] <jdub> trey3: no dude, it's very simple -> ubuntu is off-topic there. end of story.
[05:16] <jintonic> its like ford mechanics hating people that drive nissans when they ask how to get their oil changed...
[05:16] <trey3> jdub: who is principally responsible for KDE packages then? because I am not familier with the Ubuntu kde packages really.. and doubt most here are?
[05:16] <jdub> trey3: in hoary, the kubuntu team.
[05:16] <agwibowo> can anyone help me with my Radeon????
[05:16] <linux_galore> yeah #debian have enough hassles trying to explain to people why they have packages so old still on the CD's to put up with ubuntu users (heh heh)
[05:16] <trey3> jdub: do they have a channel?
[05:17] <daniels> trey3: the Kubuntu guys; if you do not know something, please do not talk as if you do, because it can be confusing (as above)
[05:17] <daniels> trey3: #kubuntu
[05:17] <jdub> #kubuntu
[05:17] <agwibowo> can anyone have a look at the error message xfree spits out?
[05:17] <jdub> linux_galore: keep it nice please
[05:17] <daniels> agwibowo: would need to see the entire XFree86.0.log and XF86Config-4
[05:17] <sensebend> linux_galore, debian at least the stable distribution has a different focus than Ubuntu. That wasn't very nice
[05:17] <agwibowo> daniels: can i give it to you?
[05:17] <linux_galore> I know Im poking fun
[05:18] <jdub> linux_galore: it's unnecessary, and easily misunderstood.
[05:18] <linux_galore> I run a few email servers with debian stable
[05:18] <sensebend> many of us use debian here and it could easily start a flamewar
[05:18] <sensebend> one must tread lightly arround such subjects
[05:19] <sensebend> us Free software people tend to get worked up once and a while :)
[05:19] <jintonic> i have a weird error in (get this) ubuntu linux install initialization
[05:19] <oldlady> Could someone help me with my setup, please?
[05:19] <jintonic> just after "trying to enable the frame buffer"
[05:20] <sensebend> sure
[05:20] <daniels> agw	sure
[05:20] <sensebend> just ask your question, asking to ask is unneccessary. We'll try and help if we can
[05:20] <jintonic> it just locks up, pressing up/down/ctrl-alt-del/anything, nothing works
[05:20] <sensebend> :)
[05:20] <sensebend> jintonic, this is a hoary installation right?
[05:20] <jintonic> no
[05:20] <mkerby> Thanks, sensebend.
[05:20] <jintonic> off warty's install cd
[05:21] <mkerby> I'm trying to install warty.
[05:21] <jintonic> but here's the kicker: /sometimes/ it works just fine
[05:21] <sensebend> could be hardware related
[05:21] <mkerby> Everything is fine until I get to "Installing the base system"
[05:21] <daniels> agwibowo: sure
[05:22] <jintonic> yeah, i'm thinking its a problem with 2.6 kernel support of my motherboard, then again someone else said they had the same board and it worked fine
[05:22] <mkerby> It moves right along until it gets to 85 percent.  Then it stays there for a looooong time.
[05:22] <jintonic> if tried all kinds of combos with my hardware and the error does not go away for good
[05:22] <sensebend> mkerby, could it be a problem with the media
[05:22] <sensebend> most installer errors generally come back to a problem in burning
[05:22] <mkerby> Then it says "No installable kernal was found in the defined APT packages".
[05:23] <mkerby> Okay.  So it might work if I burn it again?
[05:23] <Cam> hi guys, after installing KDE via synaptic, gnome has lost half of its default application links
[05:23] <jintonic> and i've never had any problems anything like this before installing other linux distros
[05:23] <Cam> find files goes to the kde find files
[05:23] <Cam> default browser ins konquer
[05:23] <Cam> etc
[05:23] <sensebend> mkerby, perhaps
[05:23] <sensebend> I'd check your media with a md5 checksum
[05:24] <mkerby> I'll do it.
[05:24] <mkerby> Thanks!
[05:24] <sensebend> if you know how to do that
[05:24] <mkerby> I'll let you know how it goes.
[05:24] <sensebend> that would be the first thing to check though
[05:24] <mkerby> I think I do but tell me anyway :)
[05:24] <agwibowo> daniels: i'm sending them to you right now
[05:24] <sensebend> mkerby, what OS would you be verifying from?
[05:24] <daniels> agwibowo: your dcc is broken
[05:25] <agwibowo> oh....
[05:25] <linux_galore> Cam: kde has is own set of app and tools as opposed to gnomes so if you install and run kde you should see kde apps in kde and gnome in gnome....although this can be mixed up
[05:25] <agwibowo> hmmm
[05:25] <agwibowo> daniels: is there any other way i can send it to you?
[05:25] <mkerby> I'm on the other machine which has Windows XP
[05:25] <Cam> yer, im trying to think of how to reverse this process
[05:25] <Cam> without a complete system re-install
[05:26] <sensebend> mkerby, run this on the iso image http://winmd5sum.solidblue.biz/
[05:26] <sensebend> and check to see that it matches that of the file on the site
[05:26] <linux_galore> Cam: logout and select gnome in the login screen as the desktop
[05:26] <Cam> i am in gnome
[05:27] <linux_galore> ok fixed
[05:27] <Cam> linux_galore: gnome has lost all its defaults
[05:27] <linux_galore> Cam: aaah strange ....
[05:27] <Cam> the Find Files points to KDE find files
[05:27] <Cam> Default browser is konq.
[05:27] <Cam> Default email client is kmail
[05:27] <Cam> etc etc
[05:27] <poningru> how do you switch to kde?
[05:28] <poningru> in ubuntu
[05:28] <poningru> do you have to reinstall?
[05:28] <Cam> install KDE via synaptic.
[05:28] <jintonic> daniels: have you heard of ubuntu install crashing just after "trying to enable the frame buffer"
[05:28] <Cam> or apt
[05:29] <linux_galore> Cam: Im sure there is a menu selector in gcc
[05:29] <jintonic> as soon as i get to the "[!!]  Choose language" menu it locks up
[05:29] <daniels> jintonic: can't say I have, sorry
[05:29] <daniels> agwibowo: email?
[05:29] <agwibowo> daniels: what's your email
[05:29] <Cam> ?
[05:29] <jintonic> but sometimes it doesn't... i don't get it... and i've tried all kinds of hardware combos
[05:29] <grepper> is archive.ubuntu.com going through problems atm ?
[05:30] <jintonic> i've come to the thesis that it's probably the motherboard that's somehow causing a problem (either by faulty kernel support or whatever)
[05:31] <daniels> agwibowo<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:31] <linux_galore> cam  run gnome-default-applications-properties
[05:32] <linux_galore> wierd but thats its name
[05:32] <Cam> hrmm no worries, i removed kde successfully
[05:32] <Cam> seemed to reverse the problem
[05:32] <Cam> ;)
[05:33] <linux_galore> Cam: that tool selects all the defaults for gnome
[05:33] <mkerby> sensebend, I just did the md5 checksum.  It's fine.
[05:33] <mkerby> I'll try burning the cd again.
[05:33] <linux_galore> Cam: dar say when kde is installed it changes all the defaults
[05:33] <mkerby> I'll be back.  Gotta send kids to bed.
[05:33] <linux_galore> not good
[05:35] <nessmuk> yo! Gwildor....you here?
[05:35] <jintonic> hmm... my video card seems pretty hot, mebbe that's why its failing? :-/
[05:35] <regeya> what defaults does kde change
[05:36] <Printer_Prob> Help! pleaseO:-)
[05:36] <regeya> that's weird, 'coz I've had both gnome and kde installed under debian before, and they don't seem to interfere with each other.  what does ubuntu do differently...
[05:36] <jintonic> heh, duh, ive changed the video card and the error doesnt go away...
[05:36] <agwibowo> daniels: i've sent it to you...
[05:36] <Printer_Prob> I am trying to set up a printer not listed in the printer list
[05:36] <agwibowo> daniels: hopefully my error description is clear enough though....
[05:36] <Printer_Prob> anyone able to help?
[05:36] <grepper> strange, if I do another apt-get update and quickly do the apt-get install foo, it connects ok
[05:38] <Printer_Prob> ...or any good links to set up a printer from the web please
[05:39] <calamari> is there a way to make it so that I can push the button on my cd player to eject a cd?
[05:39] <calamari> err cdrom drive
[05:39] <jintonic> wow... with one of my video cards along with the frozen computer there's also a flickering screen at the choose language screen in setup
[05:40] <Crane> heh
[05:40] <Crane> hello again
[05:40] <Crane> heh
[05:40] <jintonic> could be pure hardware error tho
[05:40] <Crane> I broke it again
[05:40] <jintonic> havent used that card in forever
[05:40] <AndHeSays> hey
[05:41] <AndHeSays> is it possible to do an online upgrade of ubuntu?
[05:42] <JDahl> AndHeSays, yes - change warty to hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list and do an apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:42] <AndHeSays> i don't have ubuntu installed yet
[05:43] <AndHeSays> i'm just trying to figure out the reasons to move from redhat/fc to ubuntu
[05:43] <JDahl> AndHeSays, so you mean an upgrade from a different linux distro? I dont think you can
[05:43] <AndHeSays> no
[05:43] <AndHeSays> upgrading between versions
[05:43] <IRCsloth> brb
[05:43] <AndHeSays> in redhat it wasn't possible
[05:43] <poningru> hey guys quick question
[05:44] <AndHeSays> you had to download the full ISO and do an upgrade
[05:44] <poningru> how do I get malayalam ui in gnome
[05:44] <HrdwrBoB> AndHeSays: yes it is
[05:44] <grepper> what program/debconf sets LC_ALL and LANG ?  I already did dpkg-reconfigure locales
[05:44] <HrdwrBoB> AndHeSays: you can use synaptic or apt-get
[05:44] <poningru> http://l10n-status.gnome.org/gnome-2.8/ml/
[05:44] <jintonic> hmm... on yet another video card the same choose language screen is causing another graphical error.........
[05:44] <AndHeSays> HrdwrBoB: thanks
[05:44] <Printer_Prob> please please how does one install a printer not on the printer list in ubuntu: we're new to linux thanks
[05:44] <AndHeSays> how often are new versions released?
[05:45] <jintonic> 6 months?
[05:45] <poningru> anyone?
[05:45] <ChrisC_> Looking at kernels ... what is the difference between <IP_ADDRESS>-3 and <IP_ADDRESS>-4?  Both are offered under Synaptic in warty ...
[05:45] <poningru> how do you get a new language into gnome?
[05:45] <poningru> err perhaps I should check online first
[05:45] <poningru> http://l10n-status.gnome.org/gnome-2.8/ml/
[05:46] <jintonic> changing my agp aperture made the graphical error different...
[05:46] <AndHeSays> HrdwrBoB: are there updates (not security or critical bug fixes) to packages between releases?
[05:46] <HrdwrBoB> AndHeSays: no
[05:47] <Necrosan> Just installed ubuntu on an ibm thinkpad 770, and am getting no sound.
[05:47] <Necrosan> What should I do?
[05:48] <linux_galore> just got back from the #kde channel... wow met a fist class gentoo user who I wanted to strangle...got help from a more sane user
[05:48] <jintonic> haha
[05:48] <Printer_Prob> n-san: any sounds at all or only mp3
[05:48] <Necrosan> no sounds at all, on boot it's not even seeing the sound card.
[05:49] <Necrosan> I'm guessing it needs to be compiled into the kernel, but I haven't used linux in ages.
[05:49] <sensebend> lol linux_galore
[05:49] <sensebend> there are users like that for any distro, for some reason
[05:49] <Printer_Prob> n-san: us too, sorry... know anything about printers?
[05:49] <linux_galore> his attitude was I dont care what your problem is I use gentoo and you should be using "emerge" Im like ??
[05:50] <jintonic> yeah, the most useful linux gurus are also the most irritating, take bob2 for example ;) but when you spend so much time helping people that aren't doing what you tell them it can start making you pretty grumpy
[05:50] <bob2> I'm irritating?
[05:50] <sensebend> yes bob2, you are
[05:50] <jintonic> only a little rough around the edges
[05:50] <AndHeSays> HrdwrBoB: is there a repository for "non-official" versions (eg. if it shipped with program a version 1.2 and in the meanwhile version 1.3 appeared)?
[05:50] <ChrisC_> Looking at kernels ... what is the difference between <IP_ADDRESS>-3 and <IP_ADDRESS>-4?  Both are offered under Synaptic in warty ...
[05:50] <jintonic> i don't think much of it but others would
[05:51] <sensebend> however you are a valuable member of the community
[05:51] <Necrosan> damn, they should have just built EVERY sound driver as a module. id be happy as all hell if they would have.
[05:51] <HrdwrBoB> AndHeSays: there are some backports available I beleive
[05:51] <jintonic> yes, definately
[05:51] <regeya> hey, just for giggles, who was the l33t kde user?  I'm just curious.
[05:51] <jintonic> i respect the fact that you continue to help
[05:51] <linux_galore> some can*** guy I didnt not his screen name
[05:51] <HrdwrBoB> Necrosan: ubuntu DOES compile all sound drivers as modules
[05:51] <sensebend> http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[05:51] <linux_galore> note*
[05:52] <Necrosan> HrdwrBoB: Then how come it isn't seeing the thinkpads sound card? (which is clearly supported?)
[05:52] <sensebend> AndHeSays, there's the URL to the website for the backports
[05:52] <regeya> wonder if it was caleb
[05:52] <linux_galore> wow never go into the #kde channel unless your a fast ignore user
[05:52] <regeya> if so, caleb is a kde && gentoo dev.  I can understand. ;-D
[05:52] <regeya> though I couldn't see caleb going off like that, so I doubt it.  plus I think #kde is intended more fore devs
[05:53] <linux_galore> caleb rings a bell....
[05:53] <linux_galore> Im like yeah Im going to swap to gentoo to please you.....
[05:53] <HrdwrBoB> Necrosan: obviously something didn't work right
[05:53] <HrdwrBoB> if you want it to work
[05:53] <HrdwrBoB> people can help you
[05:53] <regeya> #kde is KDE 3.3.2 is out - http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.3.2.php | Be willing, not whining -- or go away ;
[05:53] <regeya> heh
[05:53] <poof> I am haveing fun with XFce Tahnk you Ubuntu team! this make verry fast desktop :)
[05:54] <HrdwrBoB> but going around assuming that the distriubution is inherently broken isn't going to get anybody anywhere
[05:54] <Necrosan> HrdwrBoB: Got any tips?
[05:54] <linux_galore> just wanted to know if kde has a tool like gargnome to update kde from source files
[05:54] <bob2> chill out, dudes
[05:54] <bob2> linux_galore: yes, they do, which google could have found you: konstruct
[05:54] <HrdwrBoB> Necrosan: can you post the output of lspci and lsmod to pastebin.com
[05:54] <linux_galore> yeah I know now but wtf has use gentoo goto do with "konstruct"
[05:54] <regeya> canoff?
[05:55] <Cam> whats the best web editor for linux? ;)
[05:55] <grepper> hmm, no menu in kde in hoary universe
[05:55] <bob2> linux_galore: I don't understand that sentence
[05:55] <Cam> out of personal experience
[05:55] <HrdwrBoB> Cam: my fiancee uses nvu
[05:55] <Cam> yes, i know, vi is awesome and all
[05:55] <HrdwrBoB> it seems to work
[05:55] <Cam> ok!
[05:55] <regeya> yes
[05:55] <ChrisC_> OK, maybe the 3rd time's the charm:  Looking at kernels ... what is the difference between <IP_ADDRESS>-3 and <IP_ADDRESS>-4?  Both are offered under Synaptic in Ubuntu warty. I googled ...
[05:55] <regeya> linux_galore, I seem to remember that there is one on kde.org
[05:55] <regeya> I don't think konstruct is gentoo-only, but let's have a looksee
[05:55] <linux_galore> bob2: his answer was use Gentoo.....but the correct answer is use "konstruct" the kde channel isnt a gentoo evangelizing channel
[05:55] <HrdwrBoB> ChrisC_: -4 is a later version of the same thing
[05:56] <HrdwrBoB> ChrisC_: maybe a few updates, bugfixes etc
[05:56] <bob2> linux_galore: there are idiot gentoo users everywhere, you just need to tune them out
[05:56] <agwibowo> daniels: have you received my e-mail?
[05:56] <ChrisC_> so the -3 and -4 releases are Ubuntu packages?
[05:56] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[05:56] <ChrisC_> why would they still offer the -3 package?
[05:56] <AndHeSays> HrdwrBoB: are the packages included in a releases relatively new (not the lastest-just-of-beta version, but decently new, as redhat was always lagging behind)?
[05:56] <regeya> kde does work beautifully under gentoo, but I don't think I'd give that as a first option
[05:57] <sensebend> bob2, they are far outnumbered by helpful Gentoo users though
[05:57] <Necrosan> HrdwrBoB: actually that would be kind of hard.
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> AndHeSays: yes
[05:57] <Necrosan> unless i can get this machine online
[05:57] <bob2> sensebend: not ime, but meh
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> why can't you get it onliune
[05:57] <regeya> just look at forums.gentoo.org.
[05:57] <poof> is XFCE 4.2 in hoary?... on that note, is there a list somewhare of all the warty and hoary packages?
[05:57] <regeya> I still get handy tips from there, and I don't have any gentoo machines here anymore.
[05:57] <linux_galore> I like the middle road Ubuntu is taking....I tried gentoo and Im not going to say anything other than "Im not using it again"
[05:58] <agwibowo> poof: osnews.com?
[05:58] <bob2> poof: no
[05:58] <bob2> poof: is it in sid?
[05:58] <mroth> is ndiswrapper in hoary refusing to load for anyone else?
[05:58] <trey3> poof: no... 4.0.5 still
[05:58] <poof> ok thanks :)
[05:59] <calamari> is there a way to make it so that I can push the eject button on my cdrom drive to eject a cd?  when the cd is mounted it seems to lock the drawer
[05:59] <AndHeSays> HrdwrBoB: one more question and I'll stop bugging you :) can you sumarize a few features that make ubuntu stand out of the crowd (as it is getting a lot of attention)?
[05:59] <bob2> calamari: yes, you need to unmount it
[05:59] <Necrosan> HrdwrBoB: I can.. would have to move the laptop to another room and dial out.
[05:59] <bob2> there's no (useful) way around it
[05:59] <poof> i check out sid package list, I need a few newer applications ... Thanks folks, I am going to do some reading :)
[05:59] <agwibowo> what does "(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration." error message by XFree86 could be caused by?
[05:59] <trey3> poof: as for package list... there isn't one currently.... although distrowatch has a pretty good list...
[06:00] <grepper> any ideas about no menu items in kde ?  I tried kbuildsycoca and update-menus
[06:00] <poof> thanks tre
[06:00] <bob2> agwibowo: a broken X config.  Ubuntu didn't automatically make a working one?
[06:00] <poof> thanks trey3
[06:00] <agwibowo> bob2: nope. I modified it for my Radeon X300 card.. but no luck
[06:01] <bob2> agwibowo: please file a bug on xserver-xfree86 with the output of 'lscpi', 'lspci -n', 'dmesg' and 'lsmod'.
[06:01] <poof> wo Ubuntu beat Gentoo on Distro watch popularity list today :)
[06:01] <poof> 1 point
[06:01] <zenrox> ware at poof
[06:01] <poof> http://distrowatch.com/
[06:01] <jintonic> how is pxe used?
[06:02] <zenrox> sweet
[06:02] <agwibowo> where is this thing you meant by "xserver-xfree86" ?
[06:02] <agwibowo> bob2: where is this thing you meant by "xserver-xfree86" ?
[06:02] <DanielC> Hello, my Ubuntu slows to a crawl whenever I do anything with a lot of disk activity (e.g. copy an 80MB file).
[06:02] <bob2> agwibowo: erm? file a bug on http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ on the xserver-xfree86 package
[06:03] <DanielC> It pratically freezes for a few momwnts.
[06:03] <bob2> jintonic: how or what is it used for?
[06:03] <DanielC> moments.
[06:03] <DanielC> I'm hoping someone has a suggestion.
[06:03] <daniels> bob2: not much point, need to write out a custom chipid, and xserver-xfree86 in warty isn't seeing any updates, modulo security
[06:03] <jintonic> how
[06:03] <bob2> ah
[06:04] <bob2> jintonic: there's lots of howtos on the intarweb
[06:04] <poof> COOL! hoary has the GIMP I need :)
[06:04] <jintonic> and i'm not an indian
[06:05] <agwibowo> bob2: you think it's not my bad xfree86 configuration file?
[06:06] <bob2> jintonic: ?
[06:06] <jintonic> ya know how in old westerns "indians" would say "how" to say "hi"
[06:06] <poningru> anyone know how to switch between l10n and english gnome?
[06:06] <nevyn> daniels: gamabs.sf.net
[06:07] <bob2> poningru: there's a difference?
[06:07] <nevyn> daniels: bleh gambas.sf.net
[06:07] <poningru> the language
[06:08] <poningru> how do I switch between say a russian gnome and then back to english
[06:08] <daniels> nevyn: that website hurts my eyes
[06:08] <poningru> my mom really wants malayalam
[06:08] <poningru> http://l10n-status.gnome.org/gnome-2.8/ml/
[06:08] <nevyn> daniels: it's visual basic but for linux
[06:08] <poningru> but I dont know how to switch to it, please help
[06:10] <Cam> NVU isnt on the unbuntu repositories :/
[06:10] <bob2> poningru: can't you select it fro mthe gdm login screen?
[06:11] <poningru> really? first time booting up
[06:11] <poningru> gotta check that stuff
[06:11] <poningru> thank you so much
[06:11] <poningru> cya guys later
[06:11] <nevyn> daniels: it is kinda fugly hey.
[06:15] <jintonic> this is funky... in "choose language" of ubuntu install i either get a flickering screen, scrambled text, or perfectly fine text but in all cases the system is locked, nothing works including ctrl-alt-del and even caps lock and num lock dont toggle the LED
[06:15] <HrdwrBoB> AndHeSays: sorry about the delay, the primary appeal of ubuntu is the simple installation and it's Just Works mentailty
[06:15] <daniels> jintonic: try booting with 'linux debian-installer/framebuffer=false'
[06:15] <HrdwrBoB> mentality
[06:15] <jintonic> i've tried 4 different video cards
[06:15] <jintonic> ok
[06:16] <agwibowo> woops...
[06:16] <jintonic> oh, it used to be that sometimes (only on my radeon 9200se) it would work fine
[06:16] <jintonic> but it doesn't seem to ever get past anymore
[06:16] <agwibowo> i just knew that daniels is the person in charge of the bug on xserver-xfree86
[06:16] <agwibowo> i've just posted my bug in bugzilla...
[06:17] <agwibowo> daniels, i've posted my bug as bug 5384
[06:17] <jintonic> with that i get a graphical error i havent seen before but its still locked up
[06:19] <poningru> where do I have to place the language pack inorder for it to show up during bootup?
[06:19] <poningru> the l10n pack I mean
[06:19] <jintonic> trying the same option with a different video card...
[06:19] <daniels> agwibowo: it's fixed in hoary, so I'll close it as FIXED; in the meantime, try putting Option "ChipID" "0x4150"
[06:20] <agwibowo> where?
[06:20] <AndHeSays> HrdwrBoB: thanks a lot
[06:21] <poningru> nm I found the tar installer
[06:21] <poningru> thnx for the help guys
[06:21] <bob2> tar installer?
[06:21] <jintonic> same error using another video card, now trying my radeon 9200se...
[06:21] <agwibowo> daniels: should i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and choose fglrx driver? and whereabout should i put that "ChipID" "0x4150" ?
[06:22] <daniels> agwibowo: yeah, choose fglrx
[06:22] <daniels> agwibowo: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and put that in the Device section
[06:22] <liquidghondi> Anyone know if there is a fix to get your newly installed apps to show up under the gnome panel?
[06:22] <agwibowo> daniels: may i post 5 lines here??? is it considered as flooding?
[06:23] <daniels> agwibowo: post it in /msg
[06:23] <DanielC> liquidghondi: right-click on the panel and choose "add to panel" ?
[06:23] <DanielC> liquidghondi: that's what I do.
[06:23] <poningru> tar.gz
[06:24] <poningru> it included instruction where to place the files, so I placed them there: hence installer.
[06:24] <agwibowo>         Identifier      "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon X300 (RV370)"
[06:24] <agwibowo>         Driver          "fglrx"
[06:24] <agwibowo>         BusID           "PCI:1:0:0"
[06:24] <agwibowo>         ChipID          "0x4150"
[06:24] <agwibowo> EndSection
[06:24] <agwibowo> like that?
[06:24] <Cam> did you read the howto?
[06:25] <daniels> agwibowo: yeah
[06:25] <agwibowo> ok.. be back soon
[06:26] <Necrosan_> Okay, who's the guy that wanted the lspci & lsmod?
[06:26] <Necrosan_> and what's the address to a good pastebin?
[06:26] <daniels> pastebin.com
[06:26] <jintonic> hmm... something else is that using my radeon 9200se i get a pixel high white line across the top and another across the bottom, but using my geforce2mx and my radeon all-in-wonder original, that doesn't show up
[06:27] <jintonic> but anyways, disabling framebuffer made the graphics not get as distorted but it still crashed
[06:28] <HrdwrBoB> Necrosan_: yes
[06:28] <jintonic> and that's using 3 different video cards (radeon 9200se, geforce2mx and radon aiw)
[06:28] <bob2> are you sure you don't have a broken motherboard or such?
[06:29] <jintonic> this is the only time i've ever encountered a problem remotely like this in installing a bunch of different linux distros
[06:29] <bob2> didn't you say going to agp 4x fixed it?
[06:30] <jintonic> including debian, although its netinst for whatever reason didnt for for me
[06:30] <Cam> anyone know of a repository with dashboard on it?
[06:30] <trey3> Cam: checked www.apt-get.org?
[06:30] <jintonic> yeah, that worked to get x working, but the problem i had in install was never fixed, i just installed a time when it happened to not crash
[06:30] <agwibowo> daniels: no.. still not working
[06:31] <jintonic> i rebooted about 10 times til it worked without crashing
[06:31] <daniels> agwibowo: then i'm not sure, sorry
[06:32] <Cam> no, but thanks
[06:32] <agwibowo> my friend said something to me about Intel AGP module not loaded
[06:32] <Cam> hrmm.. nothing.
[06:32] <agwibowo> daniels: would it be the cause of this problem? Intel AGP and agp something... can't remember the exact name... he said that they have to be loaded before fglrx module is loaded
[06:33] <daniels> 'agpgart'?
[06:33] <daniels> i don't know, sorry
[06:33] <agwibowo> ok...
[06:33] <Necrosan_> http://www.pastebin.com/227127
[06:33] <Cam> theres a nice howto on it anyway
[06:34] <deadshell> daniels it might be agpgart
[06:34] <HrdwrBoB> Necrosan_: what model of thinkpad is it
[06:34] <HrdwrBoB> ?
[06:34] <Necrosan_> 770
[06:35] <Linuxnoob> hi all - how do I uninstall ubuntu/grub on a dual boot with xp?
[06:35] <HrdwrBoB> Necrosan_: run modprobe cs4232 io=0x530 irq=5 dma=1 dma2=0 mpuio=0x330 mpuirq=5
[06:35] <HrdwrBoB> modprobe opl3 io=0x388
[06:35] <jintonic> 770, heh, i have a 760ld.... i'm sorry
[06:35] <Necrosan_> both?
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> then add cs4232 io=0x530 irq=5 dma=1 dma2=0 mpuio=0x330 mpuirq=5
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> and opl3 io=0x388
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> to /etc/modules
[06:36] <binReapr> how can I modify the .profile? it doesnt let me because Im not root and the terminal can't see it because is hidden
[06:37] <agwibowo> Linuxnoob: you mean you want to get rid of grub?
[06:37] <Linuxnoob> I want to get rid of both ubuntu and grub
[06:37] <Linuxnoob> ubuntu stinks
[06:37] <agwibowo> Linuxnoob: not sure in xp, but it used to be  "fdisk /mbr" from windows
[06:37] <DanielC> Linuxnoob: Sorry, I don't know anyting about Winodws. But there must be some Win program that will let you repartition and install a new boot manager.
[06:37] <DanielC> Linuxnoob: Please be polite if you wish to get help.
[06:37] <Linuxnoob> I am being polite
[06:38] <Necrosan_> brb
[06:38] <calamari> Linuxnoob: Ubuntu is great, IMO
[06:38] <agwibowo> binReapr: root user is protected in Ubuntu. Have to use "sudo" instead
[06:39] <binReapr> ok, butwhat is the command for changing attribs
[06:39] <Linuxnoob> ubunto doesn't like my laptop and is quirky with hardware
[06:39] <HrdwrBoB> binReapr: what .profile?
[06:39] <agwibowo> chmod?
[06:39] <agwibowo> wait
[06:39] <deadshell> Linuxnoob, read this it might help http://www.computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/26939.html
[06:39] <binReapr> the root .profile
[06:39] <agwibowo> what attribute?
[06:39] <DanielC> agwibowo: why is root protected in Ubuntu? Is that meant as a security feature? I admit I see a security benefit to it.
[06:39] <HrdwrBoB> binReapr: and why do you need to change it?
[06:39] <binReapr> write
[06:39] <HrdwrBoB> DanielC: sudo makes more sense than using root
[06:39] <binReapr> cause Im installin qt and it asks me to add some patch to .profile
[06:39] <deadshell> Linuxnoob, and try mepis :D
[06:39] <binReapr> path
[06:39] <agwibowo> DanielC: errr.. not sure.... but i guess your reason seems to be the one.. i'm not ubuntu developer :P
[06:39] <DanielC> HrdwrBoB: why? I'm eager to know.
[06:39] <jintonic> linuxnoob: no, that wasn't very polite, but: are you dual-booting?
[06:40] <Linuxnoob> I am dual booting
[06:40] <HrdwrBoB> DanielC: more passwords, more complication, more tendency to run thigns that ought not to be root as root
[06:40] <agwibowo> binReappr: maybe  sudo vim ~/.profile
[06:40] <Linuxnoob> it was polite - just not popular
[06:40] <DanielC> HrdwrBoB: good good.
[06:41] <DanielC> Linuxnoob: Saying that xxx stinks is not polite.
[06:41] <binReapr> vim? ok, going to try that
[06:41] <DanielC> Linuxnoob: everything else you said was polite.
[06:41] <agwibowo> binReappr: wait
[06:41] <binReapr> ok
[06:41] <agwibowo> binReappr: vim is an editor.... if you are not familiar with it... maybe pico or nano.. not sure.. vim is quite complicated for beginner.
[06:41] <DanielC> Linuxnoob: In any event, there must be a Windows program to repartition your disk and rewrite the MBR.
[06:42] <jintonic> plus its not very smart to say an os stinks when that's the title of the channel you're in then ask for help
[06:42] <Linuxnoob> k
[06:42] <Linuxnoob> I'll see what I can come up with
[06:42] <DanielC>  Linuxnoob: BootMagic? PartitionMagic? How do Windows uers partition?
[06:42] <binReapr> actually I can load it in text editor, just it wont let me do any changes
[06:42] <Linuxnoob> don't know how windows users partition
[06:42] <Linuxnoob> I'm used to fedora
[06:42] <binReapr> thats why I want to change the attribs but dont know the command
[06:42] <deadshell> Linuxnoob, read this look at Response Number 3 http://www.computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/26939.html
[06:42] <jintonic> noob: how big is your linux partition?
[06:42] <chibifs> Hrm.  :/
[06:42] <highdesertshephe> I've got a laptop, compaq presario 1655. It can do 1024x768. Ubuntu screen resolution app is only allowing me 800x600 maximum. How do I get my laptop to go to 1024x768. Ubuntu warty distro.
[06:43] <chibifs> Is hoary safe right now? I was having glx troubles with it the other day.
[06:43] <Linuxnoob> thanks for the link deadshell - looking @ it
[06:43] <Necrosan> HrdwrBoB: didnt work.. still getting no sound device on boot
[06:43] <HrdwrBoB> chibifs: my installs of hoary seem to be fine
[06:43] <agwibowo> binAppr: oh ok... then there you go.. sudo <whatever editor> ~/.profile
[06:44] <DanielC> highdesertshephe: Tell me if this works:  Computer > System Configuration > Screen Resolution.
[06:44] <deadshell> highdesertshephe, you may edit /etc/X11/XF86Config
[06:44] <binReapr> aahh, I see, thnx
[06:44] <chibifs> It was an nvidia related problem, bob. Have an nvidia card? :o
[06:44] <HrdwrBoB> chibifs: yes, two :)
[06:44] <DanielC> highdesertshephe: try it my way first :-)
[06:44] <chibifs> Try running glxgears for me :P
[06:45] <HrdwrBoB> chibifs: does it segfault?
[06:45] <chibifs> Yeah :/
[06:45] <HrdwrBoB> are you running the latest xserver-xorg ?
[06:45] <HrdwrBoB> that was fixed recently
[06:45] <Linuxnoob> lol my file looks exactly like that one
[06:45] <Linuxnoob> lol
[06:45] <chibifs> Right now I'm back on warty because that was causing me a lot of problems.
[06:45] <chibifs> If that's fixed though, I'll dist-upgrade back :D
[06:46] <HrdwrBoB> yeah it's fixed
[06:46] <chibifs> Yey :D
[06:46] <HrdwrBoB> it was a problem a little while ago
[06:46] <HrdwrBoB> there is also restricted modules for 2.6.10 now
[06:47] <chibifs> ^.^ Okay, gonna fall back to console, because I'm afraid of letting synaptic do it :P
[06:47] <mindphasr> What package do you need to install for x.org?
[06:48] <chibifs> xserver-xorg
[06:48] <highdesertshephe> DanielC That's what I tried. I am avoiding editing the /etc/X11/XF86Config file. I'm actually /nick Stew2. This is a user's laptop, and I'm showing him how to use IRC to ask a question. He put Ubuntu on last week.
[06:48] <mindphasr> do you need xserver-xorg-dbg?
[06:48] <Linuxnoob> guess I'm going to be doing a fdisk /mbr
[06:48] <chibifs> dbg is a different server
[06:48] <DanielC> highdesertshephe: Ah, ok.
[06:48] <mindphasr> ahh
[06:49] <chibifs> It's for debugging :P
[06:49] <mindphasr> okay
[06:49] <DanielC> highdesertshephe: Definitely an important skill for GNU/Linux.
[06:49] <binReapr> ok, now lets hope I didnt mess up :P
[06:49] <HrdwrBoB> Linuxnoob: yes, that will fix your bootloader issues
[06:50] <Linuxnoob> is that on the xp recovery disks?
[06:50] <jintonic> i didn't mention another problem i've been having with ubuntu..... sometimes when i boot up ubuntu my keyboard and mouse don't work at all, then sometimes they do
[06:50] <jintonic> i havent had any problem like that using anything else
[06:50] <binReapr> btw, how can avoid the "syncronize clock to nntp.ubuntulinux.com" or something like that at startup?
[06:52] <Cam> can i ask, what repository does new updates go to?
[06:52] <chibifs> Whee. :P Should have got splitvt before I started that dist-upgrade.
[06:55] <highdesertshephe> How do I configure my monitor in Ubuntu? The XF86Config-4 says I have a "Generic Monitor".
[06:55] <jintonic> cam: any, i believe... i think apt just checks to see if the version currently in the repositories is newer than installed
[06:56] <HrdwrBoB> highdesertshephe: you don't need to, it should be auto detected
[06:56] <chibifs> Run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 in a terminal.
[06:56] <cody_> sorry I know I'm a fool, but what is the apt-get to install gcc?
[06:56] <chibifs> g++
[06:56] <cody_> Aha, I was a fool. Thanks.
[06:56] <jintonic> cody: that install the gnu c compiler
[06:57] <highdesertshephe> HrdwrBob: Ubuntu is only allowing me to choose 800x600, not 1024x768
[06:57] <jintonic> emm... is g++ in that package?
[06:58] <chibifs> try build-essential
[06:58] <HrdwrBoB> chibifs: I was saying that
[06:58] <HrdwrBoB> bug he has left
[06:58] <highdesertshephe> HrdwrBob Is there a way I can change the monitor configuration through Gnome?
[06:58] <HrdwrBoB> highdesertshephe: 16:57 < chibifs> Run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 in a terminal.
[06:59] <jintonic> hmm
[06:59] <chibifs> There /are/ a set of tools you can get to have debian configurations show as GTK2 windows.
[07:00] <chibifs> Someone should actually put it in as default for ubuntu-desktop.
[07:00] <mindphasr> How do you change the cursor?
[07:00] <Cam> can anyone tell me if their is a wiki on repositories?
[07:01] <chibifs> Search for 'Break' on the Ubuntu site, Cam.
[07:01] <jdub> Cam: what are you looking for?
[07:02] <Cam> im looking for nvu on a repository, also gaim 1.1 :/
[07:02] <chibifs> ub-backports.sf.net
[07:02] <Cam> i have the default repositories enabled
[07:02] <jdub> for warty? definitely won't be in warty itself, because they're too new. but it may be packaged elsewhere.
[07:02] <highdesertshephe> Okay, I'm going to restart X HrdwrBob
[07:03] <chibifs> ubuntu backports has gaim, firefox, and synaptic recompiled for warty. :D
[07:04] <Cam> i was considering upgrading to hoary but i dont know if i want to be that "bleeding-edge"
[07:04] <Cam> when's the release?
[07:04] <jdub> march for preview, april for final
[07:04] <Cam> yeh
[07:05] <chibifs> Cam- Hoary is fairly stable right now, it just breaks now and then. You might not want to update daily, or you'll find yourself with broken system :P
[07:06] <Cam> how well does the upgrade process go down?
[07:06] <HrdwrBoB> Cam: it mostly works but recently things like nvidia broke (ish)
[07:06] <Cam> yer im ati ;)
[07:06] <jintonic> i'm convinced the problem i'm having with ubuntu setup is a conflict with my motherboard... anybody mind going through my bios to see if the conflict might be avoidable using it?
[07:06] <Cam> and im not even using the official drivers yet
[07:07] <chibifs> jintonic - Disable anything ACPI or Plug and Play related.
[07:07] <Cam> lol stuff it
[07:07] <Cam> ill do it neway
[07:07] <jintonic> how about "apic mode"
[07:08] <Cam> you just change everything in the repositories from warty to hoary right?
[07:08] <chibifs> Apic should probably be enabled.
[07:08] <Cam> im a mad man!
[07:08] <chibifs> Adds extra IRQ's
[07:08] <chibifs> Cam - Make sure you run the command apt-get dist-upgrade, not just apt-get upgrade.
[07:09] <Cam> sure
[07:09] <chibifs> Turn off all repositories except for hoary main and restricted, as well.
[07:09] <Cam> k
[07:09] <chibifs> Or things could get messy :P
[07:09] <jintonic> agp aperture size, fast write support, data transfer rate, system bios cacheable, video ram cacheable?
[07:09] <jintonic> video card is 128MB and support 4x/8x
[07:09] <chibifs> Fast write off.
[07:09] <Cam> no universe?
[07:10] <chibifs> Disable universe while running apt-get dist-upgrade, then turn it back on
[07:10] <chibifs> and update universe packages with synaptic :D
[07:10] <Cam> i dont actually have main on there, only main restricted
[07:11] <Cam> for security + archive
[07:11] <chibifs> That's the right format anyway. Subsections should all go on one line.
[07:12] <Cam> ok
[07:12] <chibifs> You could make that line main restricted universe multiverse and it would be the same as having seperate entries.
[07:12] <jintonic> YES!
[07:12] <Cam> suggested that i close xchat?
[07:12] <Cam> ;)
[07:12] <jintonic> and i'll bet fast write is the reason why it wasnt working
[07:12] <chibifs> It work, jin?
[07:12] <jintonic> yeah
[07:13] <Cam> lol. bye!
[07:13] <Cam> c u on the other side
[07:13] <chibifs> Cam - Don't run X at all while doing the dist-upgrade
[07:13] <jintonic> but it could be a fluke (sometimes [rare]  it would work)
[07:13] <Cam> ok
[07:13] <Cam> set the init level?
[07:13] <bob2> it's completely and utterly fine to run X while doing dist-upgrade
[07:13] <chibifs> No, CTRL+ALT+F1 , login, sudo killall gdm
[07:13] <chibifs> then run it, then reboot. :o
[07:14] <bob2> um
[07:14] <bob2> Cam: it's fine to run dist-upgrade in X whiel you have x-chat or whatever open
[07:14] <HrdwrBoB> you don't need to do that
[07:14] <chibifs> bob2 - Yes, it is, but he needs to restart anyway for the new Xserver and kernel :P
[07:15] <bob2> chibifs: you don't need to restart for a new X server
[07:15] <chibifs> You need to restart X to use the new X server >.>
[07:15] <Cam> ill need to re-compile ndiswrapper for the  new kernel correct?
[07:15] <bob2> right
[07:15] <bob2> which you can do after the upgrade is complete
[07:15] <Cam> yep cool
[07:15] <Cam> here goes nothing
[07:16] <chibifs> I'm aware. I just want him to be safe. :o
[07:16] <bob2> the only thing that will break is firefox and possibly gnome-panel
[07:17] <Cam> lovely.
[07:17] <Necrosan> nm HrdwrBoB, your solution worked.
[07:17] <Necrosan> thanks.
[07:17] <Cam> now would be the perfect time to clean
[07:17] <chibifs> Cam - I recommend deleting .gnome2 and .gnome from your home directory
[07:18] <bob2> woah
[07:18] <bob2> no
[07:18] <Cam> before restarting? before the upgrade?
[07:18] <bob2> please stop giving such terrible advice
[07:18] <chibifs> After. :/
[07:18] <chibifs> Bob, the configuration files between gnome versions always cause problems :/
[07:19] <bob2> no, not "always"
[07:19] <bob2> for instance, I upgraded just fine
[07:19] <bob2> if they break, Cam can file a bug and decide if he/she's willing to lose all that config info or not
[07:21] <chibifs> Blah. I'm still too slackware for my own good. :D
[07:22] <bob2> so it seems.
[07:22] <chibifs> Uhoh. :/
[07:23] <chibifs> Dependancy problems :/
[07:25] <jintonic> how can i stop syncronising to ntp.blah at startup?
[07:25] <chibifs> Ctrl+C :P
[07:25] <jintonic> heh
[07:26] <chibifs> Or do you mean permanantly?
[07:26] <bob2> sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/S*ntpd*
[07:26] <chibifs> Don't remove it :O
[07:27] <bob2> removing the symlink is fine
[07:27] <chibifs> chmod it not toChmod it not to run. Remove is sooooo uhhhh... Ubuntulike.
[07:28] <Dethread> hello, anyone know how to disable that GDM startup sound?
[07:28] <bob2> er? this is is how sysv init works.
[07:28] <chibifs> Hehe. I know nothing. I'll shush :P
[07:29] <wezzer> good morning everyone
[07:29] <wezzer> how can I enable NTP support?
[07:30] <wezzer> I can't synchronize gnome-clock with Internet servers
[07:30] <bob2> you already have it installed
[07:30] <chibifs> wezzer - Gnome clock doesn't see it, but your clock syncs to a timeserver on startup.
[07:31] <wezzer> oh
[07:31] <wezzer> well, then the problem is solved :)
[07:31] <wezzer> thanks
[07:33] <mkerby> I'm trying to install Ubuntu (again). It's gotten to the Base Installation.
[07:34] <mkerby> It went quickly to 82 percent - at the point it was updating the list of available packages.
[07:34] <jintonic> i get an error ACPI: SPSD not found (or something like that) is it ok to disable acpid?
[07:34] <bob2> that won't disable acpi
[07:34] <mkerby> The cd drive light is still flashing, but the download progress has stopped for several minutes.    I had a mental picture of thousands of tribbles playing tiny drums :)
[07:40] <bob2> Dethread: computer -> system preferences -> login
[07:41] <nxterra> I just installed Ubuntu for the first time however, when I was isntalling I was never prompted to do a custom install (select packages I wanted/did not want) -- is there something I missed?
[07:41] <jintonic> how would i use dd to make a disk image of my ipod disk? it automounts on ubuntu as a fat formatted drive
[07:41] <Dethread> bob2, found it, thanks
[07:41] <bob2> nxterra: it's a boot option
[07:42] <nxterra> bob2 , thanks!
[07:42] <bob2> but you can just uninstall stuff now instead of reinstalling
[07:43] <Rene_S> Well my hoary upgrade worked out nice, the new gnome menu's are a bit of a pain, I guess I can work through that somehow.
[07:43] <nxterra> bob2 , I'll play around with it for now...and then install later ;) -- well there is so much I do not use...I am a minimalist..I suppose ;)
[07:44] <nxterra> one other thing...I wonder why firefox and thunderbird is not at version 1.0 yet?
[07:45] <bob2> because they didn't exist when warty released
[07:45] <nxterra> do I need to edit my repos or something or just wait a while? :)
[07:45] <setite> yes!
[07:45] <Dethread> it's not in the repositories
[07:45] <setite> thank you whoever told me that
[07:45] <setite> but i officially hate one thing on linux
[07:45] <setite> the case-sensitivity
[07:45] <Dethread> I love it
[07:45] <setite> its killing me
[07:46] <nxterra> Dethread, ok thanks
[07:46] <Dethread> get used to it
[07:46] <bob2> nxterra: it's in the development branch of ubuntu, and will be in the next stable release in april
[07:46] <nxterra> bob2, ok thanks...
[07:47] <nxterra> I really like how Ubuntu is gnome oriented :)
[07:47] <nxterra> thats why I am trying it
[07:47] <setite> so what do i use in place of k3b
[07:48] <Rene_S> try gnomebaker
[07:48] <setite> shit what time is it...
[07:48] <nxterra> is cd roast good?
[07:48] <setite> the time is off again
[07:48] <Dethread> setite, mine is always off too
[07:48] <setite> how do i enable ntp
[07:49] <Dethread> it is enabled...but Gnome doesn't know about it
[07:49] <Dethread> it should synchronize during bott
[07:49] <Dethread> boot
[07:49] <mkerby> It's done it again.
[07:50] <nxterra> my time is off to
[07:50] <mkerby> It finally got out of upgrading stuff, but now it says that no installable kernal was found in the defined APT sources.
[07:50] <mkerby> What can I do?
[07:50] <setite> nah... i noticed that it failed that earlier
[07:51] <bob2> mkerby: sure your cd is ok?
[07:51] <mkerby> bob2, I got this error before so I burned another cd.  UTC is Universal Coordinated Time, which is never more than 1 second off from GMT.
[07:54] <jintonic> almost 11pm
[07:54] <Dethread> setite, 22:54
[07:54] <jintonic> 10:54
[07:54] <froust> hello
[07:54] <froust> has anyone here successfully installed firefox 1.0 on ubuntu?
[07:55] <bob2> lots of people
[07:55] <bob2> do you mean "from a tarball on warty"?
[07:55] <froust> yeah
[07:55] <mkerby> I'm trying but the program won't do the entire cd, just one file at a time.
[07:55] <mkerby> Is this okay?
[07:55] <bob2> mkerby: there's an option in the installer menu
[07:56] <froust> i've downloaded the tarball, sucessfully untarred it, but the ./firefox-installer gives me this errof message
[07:56] <froust> ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:56] <bob2> that's there on ubuntu systems
[07:57] <mkerby> bob2, what part of the installer menu do I use?
[07:57] <bob2> mkerby: 'check cd' or such
[07:57] <froust> i have libgtk installed
[07:57] <bob2> froust: did you remove any of the default packages?
[07:57] <mkerby> Oh. When I try to install it? (Pardon.  I'm sleepy.)
[07:58] <froust> no i didn't.
[07:58] <deadshell> Is FF 1.0 able to be installed using apt-get?
[07:58] <froust> no
[07:58] <deadshell> froust, that no for me
[07:58] <froust> yeah
[07:58] <bob2> mkerby: yes
[07:58] <froust> it's all .93
[07:58] <bob2> deadshell: yes, it is
[07:58] <ferris> how do i register my nick on the freenode server?
[07:58] <bob2> but not in warty
[07:58] <froust> i've been looking
[07:58] <bob2> ferris: /msg nickserv help
[07:59] <ferris> thnks
[07:59] <froust> and it only seems to have .93
[07:59] <jintonic> does ubuntu hold release of every third party app into distribution until another version has overtaken it?
[07:59] <deadshell> i thought it was mozilla-firefox or something
[07:59] <jintonic> because it seems so
[07:59] <hannes__> deadshell: hoary (i think)
[07:59] <deadshell> oh ok hannes__
[07:59] <bob2> froust: make sure you have libgtk2.0-0 installed
[07:59] <froust> it's installed.
[07:59] <deadshell> i love apt
[07:59] <jintonic> mozilla-firefox is 0.9.3
[07:59] <bob2> deadshell: hoary is the name of the development distribution of ubuntu that has firefox 1.0
[08:00] <bob2> yes, we all know it's 0.9.3 in warty
[08:00] <bob2> jintonic: if you mean "Does ubuntu not throw away software until a new version is uploaded?", yes
[08:00] <froust> hrm...
[08:00] <froust> debian's starting to look a bit better
[08:01] <bob2> er
[08:01] <bob2> debian stable doesn't have firefox at all
[08:01] <froust> that sudo thing is damn annoying.
[08:01] <jintonic> i meant: ubuntu's apt system has a lot of outdated versions of software
[08:01] <bob2> froust: read the FAQ, you can disable it if yo ucan't get used to it
[08:01] <hannes__> but warty is a stable release, and it has frozen, a long time ago, so it hasn't got any version-updates
[08:01] <hannes__> only security
[08:01] <bob2> jintonic: no, the stable release does, because it's "stable"
[08:01] <jintonic> like firefox 0.9.3 and linux kernel 2.6.8
[08:01] <bob2> jintonic: hoary is the development version and therefore under development
[08:02] <hannes__> jintonic: in warty, yes
[08:02] <hannes__> but in hoary they are all fresh
[08:02] <darmou> Hi all I have a problem my menus have gone blank and there is notthing on my desktop and nautius does not start.
[08:02] <zenrox> and broken
[08:02] <jintonic> yeah
[08:02] <binReapr> anyone with kde 3.3.2 installed?
[08:02] <darmou> I tried starting in safe mode, same problem:(
[08:02] <bob2> darmou: when you're using hoary?
[08:02] <darmou> yes
[08:02] <mkerby> bob2, I've looked and I see nothing helpful. I'm kinda at my wits' end. What can I do?
[08:02] <hannes__> darmou, delete ~/.gnom2
[08:02] <jintonic> i gave up with getting hoary to work, warty works fine
[08:02] <darmou> hannes_ thanks
[08:03] <hannes__> *gnome2
[08:03] <hannes__> jintonic: what didn't work?
[08:03] <froust> so can anyone tell me how to install glibc 2.3.2?
[08:03] <bob2> darmou: known bug, in the bts, but I don't remember the fix off-hand
[08:03] <bob2> froust: you really do not want to do that
[08:03] <bob2> mkerby: you can't get to the menu?
[08:04] <darmou> ok how do I restart my gnome session without restarting the machine?
[08:04] <bob2> darmou: that's not the fix
[08:04] <froust> all i really want to do is install firefox 1.0 so i can have my live bookmarks, and go to bed - i've been trying to do it for 3 hours and now it's just a staring contest :P
[08:04] <bob2> (and won't help)
[08:04] <setite> what is the microsoft time server
[08:04] <setite> anyone tell me the time please
[08:04] <setite> wow... i guess thats too much to ask
[08:04] <Dethread> setite, it's 23:04
[08:05] <hannes__> darmou: Alt+Ctrl+Backspace
[08:05] <Dethread> setite, or 11:04 pm if you prefer that
[08:05] <darmou> I got rid of my .gnome2 but I guess I will have to restart, ok I'll be back
[08:05] <bob2> darmou: no
[08:05] <bob2> darmou: that is not the fix
[08:05] <jintonic> x, libflac... can't think of the other stuff but there was plenty more
[08:05] <bob2> darmou: you're using hoary, you have to expect stuff to be broken that you will have to look up the fixes for
[08:05] <setite> thanks deth
[08:05] <hannes__> 9:12 am
[08:06] <darmou> bob2 where can I look up the fixes?
[08:06] <bob2> darmou: as I said, in the BTS: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[08:07] <techn9ne> how do i make it so that when i hit a mailto: link in firefox it opens thunderbird?
[08:07] <mkerby> bob2, I'm on the Windows machine, looking at the cd in the Explorer menu. There are a number of files in the install folder.
[08:07] <bob2> mkerby: no, when you boot into it
[08:07] <mkerby> Upon which do I run the checksum?
[08:08] <bob2> again, none of them
[08:08] <bob2> boot into the cd
[08:08] <bob2> go to the menu
[08:08] <bob2> select 'check cd' or whatever it is
[08:08] <mkerby> I tried booting. Lots of options, but nothing having to do with the cd.
[08:08] <bob2> well, it's there
[08:08] <techn9ne> mkerby, its at the bottom
[08:08] <techn9ne> last option or 2nd last i think
[08:09] <mkerby> I'm looking again.
[08:09] <techn9ne> and we're talking about the menu inside of the setup that you use the up/down arrows to select from the list
[08:09] <techn9ne> not the screen when you load up and can type in commands
[08:09] <ferris> froust, what is the matter with firefox?
[08:09] <poningru> any probs with firefox>
[08:09] <bob2> he/she wants firefox 1.0 on warty
[08:10] <poningru> um just go to getfirefox.exe
[08:10] <bob2> you could try the backport thing, but I don't know if they have a useful upgrade strategy for when hoary comes out
[08:10] <binReapr> mmhh, ok, if my installation stops because it needs a lib, and the I install the lib and continue the installation process
[08:10] <poningru> it err
[08:10] <binReapr> it gets corrupted?
[08:10] <poningru> getfirefox.com
[08:10] <techn9ne> backport works great
[08:12] <Stew2> Hey people. I have a PII Compaq laptop with Ubuntu Warty on it. I can't get the resolution above 800x600. THe display supports 1024x768. I already ran dpkg-reconfigure xfree86
[08:12] <Stew2> ?
[08:12] <froust> ferris: can't get it installed
[08:12] <froust> i get a ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:12] <froust> libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 is installed
[08:13] <sensebend> Stew2, edit the file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[08:13] <Cam> Stew2: are you sure the hsync and vsync values for your monitor are correct? and are you sure your driver is working?
[08:13] <Stew2> sensebend Can I paste it on pastebin and have you lookat it? It's been wrackin my brain.
[08:13] <techn9ne> freemymind, use backport
[08:13] <sensebend> sure
[08:13] <techn9ne> i mean froust
[08:13] <froust> backport?
[08:14] <sensebend> http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net
[08:14] <mkerby> bob2, I'm back to installing the base system again.  It said it checked the cd rom drive (did this on its own; no option offered) and it seemed content.
[08:14] <techn9ne> just add a line to your apt sources list
[08:14] <Cam> Stew2: find out other peoples experiences with the same laptop+linux by doing a google search. their might be some issues, or a specific driver needs to be installed.
[08:14] <mkerby> So I don't know.
[08:14] <froust> how do i do that, and what line am i adding?
[08:14] <techn9ne> and it will update firefox, thunderbird, gaim and a ton of other stuff
[08:14] <techn9ne> read the web site
[08:14] <froust> the ubuntu website?
[08:14] <techn9ne> that sensebend just gave you
[08:15] <froust> aaah
[08:15] <setite> ok i forgot the answers... what do i replace k3b with
[08:15] <setite> hey tech
[08:15] <techn9ne> then... sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:15] <sensebend> froust, basically you add a repository and you have access to some of the newer applications in hoary. Without the need to change your base installation heavily
[08:15] <techn9ne> ... that are tested and confrmed to work w/o breaking stuff
[08:16] <nxterra> I get hotplus errors on boot and time sync fails on boot, any ideas?
[08:16] <sensebend> techn9ne, I pinned the backports at a lower priority and only used the backports for firefox and thunderbird
[08:16] <nxterra> hotplug
[08:16] <techn9ne> sensebend, ummm thats not a good idea i did that and i f*cked my whole system
[08:16] <techn9ne> firefox relies on x.org and in warty its xfree
[08:16] <nxterra> I am using warty btw
[08:16] <sensebend> I had no such trouble
[08:16] <froust> okay
[08:17] <techn9ne> sensebend, i didnt have trouble until i rebooted
[08:17] <froust> so now that i've done that, what do i do?
[08:17] <bob2> mkerby: no, that's not what I'm talking about
[08:17] <bob2> mkerby: there's an option to check the cd
[08:17] <techn9ne> be very careful w/ pinning, when possible use backport
[08:17] <mkerby> This time it quit at installing the base system saying it had a debootstrap error. Arrgh
[08:17] <bob2> mkerby: that really sounds like a bad cd
[08:17] <bob2> if you pin you get to keep both pieces when it breaks
[08:18] <sensebend> bob2, I said something to that effect a few hours ago
[08:18] <bob2> if you're ever asking for help with anything to do with apt, you should *always* tell people you're using pinning
[08:18] <mkerby> I've tried burning it twice. Should I try again or should I download from a different location?
[08:18] <techn9ne> i saw on the forums a lot of ppl broke their systems pinning firefox tahts why i say it
[08:18] <Stew2> sensebend: Here it is http://www.pastebin.com/227146
[08:18] <froust> techn9ne, what do i do after i add the line?
[08:18] <techn9ne> froust, save the file
[08:19] <bob2> mkerby: first you need to check if the cd is ok or not
[08:19] <bob2> until then, reburning is a waste
[08:19] <darmou> A reboot worked fine:)
[08:19] <froust> done that :P
[08:19] <darmou> What is a good dvd burner for ubuntu?
[08:19] <froust> i'm pretty new at all this
[08:19] <techn9ne> froust, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:20] <sensebend> bob2, mkerby verified the md5sum of the ISO a while ago
[08:20] <techn9ne> thats ok well let you live
[08:20] <mkerby> bob2, I tried to find that option.  Just not there.
[08:20] <sensebend> or at least I think mkerby did
[08:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> i accidentally installed with UK language settings.   How can i change it to American English so i don't have words like "colour"?
[08:20] <nxterra> what cd burn software does warty provide?
[08:20] <mkerby> I've got warty, if that makes a difference.
[08:20] <Cam> lol 39% complete on downloading hoary packages :|
[08:20] <zenrox> nxterra, k3b
[08:21] <froust> what should i choose for the upgrade?
[08:21] <zenrox> smart upgrade
[08:21] <nxterra> zenrox, thnx
[08:22] <zenrox> nxterra,  thats as close ase you can get to nero on windows
[08:22] <nxterra> zenrox, however, k3b is not found using synapic
[08:22] <zenrox> enable the universe resportry
[08:22] <sensebend> you can't compare k3b to Nero, Nero is vastly superior but for most uses k3b is fine
[08:23] <zenrox> but k3b is as close as you can get to nero on nix
[08:23] <bob2> er, you're upgrading to hoary just for firefox?
[08:23] <bob2> that's a pretty terrible idea
[08:23] <zenrox> ya when you can use backports
[08:24] <poningru> search sourceforge you will find many many apps that can be put together that as a combination will surpass nero
[08:24] <froust> techn9ne, i got some error messages - is that normal?
[08:24] <bob2> the backports aren't such a hot idea either
[08:24] <froust> bugger.
[08:24] <froust> too late :(
[08:24] <zenrox> but better the going to hoary for 1 package file
[08:25] <bob2> yeah
[08:25] <froust> he said that it wasn't upgrading to hoary
[08:25] <nxterra> zenrox, oka gocha :)
[08:25] <bob2> might have problems upgrading to hoary later, but it shouldn't be too bad
[08:25] <froust> okay
[08:25] <froust> hahah
[08:25] <zenrox> hoary is ok
[08:25] <froust> i'm completely lost
[08:25] <zenrox> flaky some times
[08:25] <zenrox> but other wise usable
[08:26] <froust> i didn't even know i was upgrading
[08:26] <zenrox> thats why i reinstalled warty
[08:26] <froust> smrt.
[08:27] <froust> how can i tell if i'm in hoary or warthog?
[08:27] <bob2> you're using warty
[08:27] <darmou> Does nautilus do dvd burning?
[08:27] <froust> i thought i just upgraded to hoary?
[08:28] <zenrox> was hoary upgrade to warty then got tired of it breaking all the time and reinstalled warty
[08:28] <bob2> I have no idea, I can't see your computer
[08:28] <froust> i know - i'm wondering how i can tell which one i have
[08:28] <binReapr> I think im not going back to windows.. ever... well, maybe just for gaming :P
[08:28] <bob2> froust: what have you done?
[08:29] <zenrox> froust, alt+crtl+f1-7
[08:29] <nxterra> cd roast is not bad for burning
[08:29] <froust> i added this line to my sources.list "deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu warty-backports main universe"
[08:29] <nxterra> if your a gtk purist :)
[08:29] <bob2> then you're using waryt
[08:29] <binReapr> bob2: is there some ati fix for radeons?
[08:29] <froust> and then did apt-get update apt-get upgrade
[08:29] <froust> warty-backports-staging rather
[08:30] <sensebend> binReapr, it exists and it's called nVidia
[08:30] <poningru> http://www.rage3d.com/content/articles/atilinuxhowto/
[08:30] <bob2> binReapr: no idea
[08:31] <sensebend> if you need the propretary ATI drivers isn't it easier to install them via the repositories?
[08:31] <bob2> yes
[08:31] <binReapr> thnx poninguru
[08:33] <binReapr> I have a question.... if I burn all my downloaded packages and give synaptics  the location, they will appear on the listing?
[08:34] <bob2> nope
[08:34] <bob2> run 'dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null > Packages' in that dir and it will
[08:35] <sphex> hi there
[08:35] <binReapr> like 'dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null/my archives'  ??
[08:35] <sphex> how to disable gdm so that X doesn't start automatically on boot?
[08:36] <Duffman> hey i just installed ubuntu but i dont think I added a user during the install how do i log in?
[08:36] <nxterra> anyone know whats wrong with the time sync?
[08:36] <bob2> binReapr: no, exactly what I said
[08:36] <binReapr> I thin it wont let you install without user so you must have one
[08:37] <binReapr> ok bob2, thnx
[08:37] <bob2> sphex: sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/S*gdm
[08:37] <bob2> Duffman: yes, it asked you for a username as password during the install
[08:37] <bob2> nxterra: 'wrong'?
[08:37] <Duffman> it asked me if i wanted to bin i said no because i thought it would let me log in root
[08:37] <sphex> bob2: ok thx.
[08:37] <Duffman> then i wanted to chance it
[08:37] <sphex> bob2: and how to.. enable it again?
[08:38] <Duffman> /join ##linuxforums
[08:38] <Duffman> gah
[08:40] <Duffman> gah i will just reinstall
[08:40] <bob2> sphex: update-rc.d ntpdate defaults
[08:40] <binReapr> if all command are with sudo, in kde how do I get root acces ? it asks everytime I want to modify some settings and it won't allow me
[08:41] <sphex> bob2: ntpdate?
[08:42] <nxterra> bob2, during boot time sync fails...I am central time america yet my time is 7:43pm
[08:42] <HostingGeek> OMG is apt-get b0rken
[08:43] <chibif1> :O
[08:43] <HostingGeek> there is a bug saying it segfaults
[08:43] <chibif1> What happened to applications:///?
[08:44] <chibif1> Did gnome finally switch to the freedesktop menu?
[08:44] <zenrox> chibif1, that dont exist in hoary
[08:44] <Riddell> binReapr: you can't unfortunatly, it's on my todo list of things to fix, in the mean time you have to set a root password
[08:44] <HostingGeek> chibif1: yes
[08:44] <chibif1> Awesomeness :D
[08:44] <HostingGeek> kde is SLOW
[08:44] <HostingGeek> VERY SLOW
[08:45] <nevyn> gnome is way slower than kde
[08:45] <nevyn> after I prelinked stuff
[08:45] <HostingGeek> no it not
[08:45] <nevyn> :)
[08:45] <HostingGeek> gnome is way faster
[08:45] <nevyn> yes it is on my box.
[08:45] <HostingGeek> gedit opens in 2 seconds here in gnome
[08:46] <nevyn> gnome takes more than a minute to log in. kde is about 30 seconds
[08:46] <Cam> lol
[08:46] <HostingGeek> kwrite the same thing as gedit open in 12seconds in kde
[08:46] <Cam> does it not depend on how it was built, etc
[08:46] <Cam> varies from different distros?
[08:46] <nevyn> Cam: a lot.
[08:46] <HostingGeek> nevyn: LET ME GUESS YOUR STARTING OPEN OFFICE AND LOGIN
[08:46] <binReapr> damn it, I need the bzip2 dev files, are they in universe?
[08:47] <nevyn> HostingGeek: nope.
[08:47] <HostingGeek> oooopops
[08:47] <chibif1> KDE has a few advantages, IMO, but not enough to switch to it.  KDE 3.3.2 tends to start up faster than GNOME 2.9.1 on my system, but there are so many factors involved.
[08:48] <HostingGeek> crimsun: upgrade to gnome 2.9.3
[08:48] <bob2> chill guys, benchmarks aren't attacks :)
[08:48] <chibif1> XFCE :D
[08:48] <HostingGeek> yes it biggest thing is what is starting up with those logins
[08:48] <nevyn> prelinking makes a massive difference to kde startup times.
[08:48] <Crane> hello again
[08:48] <sphex> bob2: ok great, thx
[08:48] <HostingGeek> xfce can take 1 min to load if i start it with 10 apps
[08:48] <nevyn> sure.
[08:48] <chibif1> o_O.. Xfce has no load time for me.
[08:49] <nevyn> but I'm talking about nautilus + panels and metacity.
[08:49] <HostingGeek> nevyn: kde is bloat ware and slow
[08:49] <Cam> i just like to use what i enjoy and feel most comfortable using. its such a personal choice
[08:49] <bob2> HostingGeek: please?
[08:49] <Duffman> does it matter if he like it better let him
[08:49] <Cam> benchmarks dont mean jack.
[08:49] <bob2> Cam: exactly
[08:49] <HostingGeek> chibif1: please start it with open office and say that again
[08:49] <bob2> use whatever you like
[08:49] <nevyn> Cam: ooh you're a debian person.
[08:50] <chibif1> Open Office is slow :P
[08:50] <Cam> not really, ubuntu is my first ;)
[08:50] <HostingGeek> join #ubuntu-ontopic to cont.
[08:50] <Cam> im like a debian virgin.
[08:50] <Crane> lol
[08:50] <Crane> If you enjoy using a certain program then just use it
[08:50] <nevyn> Cam: just repeat after me: -march=i686 does not provide a significant speedup over -march=i386
[08:50] <Crane> I like gnome not the fastest but I like it
[08:51] <Cam> lol sure.. :|
[08:51] <nevyn> Cam: sse, sse2, mmx and mmx2 have no usefulness on most programs
[08:51] <nevyn> see you're set.
[08:51] <Cam> lol
[08:52] <HostingGeek> NOOOOOOO
[08:52] <HostingGeek> apt-get is not b0rken
[08:52] <nevyn> yeah it is..
[08:52] <HostingGeek> and the bug is still open
[08:52] <nevyn> pretty atrociously.
[08:52] <nevyn> it can't do http reliably
[08:53] <nevyn> http_apt_backend or whatever it is.. sucks rocks.
[08:53] <bob2> nevyn: never had a problem here...is there a bug open about it?
[08:53] <nevyn> bob2: talk to the apt-proxy people about apt.
[08:53] <nevyn> bob2: our cache we wrote in house adapt (a different apt proxy thing)
[08:53] <bob2> apt-proxy is terrible
[08:54] <Cam> *waits patiently for hoary to screw warty*
[08:54] <HostingGeek> bob2: in the ubuntu BTS there is one saying apt segfaults AND ITS OPEN
[08:54] <nevyn> bob2: apt is terrible.
[08:54] <bob2> it's written in shell and uses dd to communicate data around
[08:54] <nevyn> bob2: the new version is in python I thought
[08:54] <bob2> nevyn: works for most people almost all of the time *shrug*
[08:54] <nevyn> adapt is written in python
[08:54] <bob2> nevyn: ah, v2 is, yeah
[08:54] <bob2> HostingGeek: ok...
[08:55] <nevyn> bob2: adapt does a couple of useful things. it caches Packages.gz it supports holding a source as in setting it's "bad-hair-day" flag
[08:56] <bob2> ah, neat
[08:56] <nevyn> but apt_http_method or whatever the thing is really does suck rocks.
[08:56] <nevyn> it doesn't respect http version negotiation
[08:57] <nevyn> caching packages.gz is very handy if you have multiple debian machines and you're on dialup
[08:57] <binReapr> how do I install a rpm? I couldn found any bzip2 development files in deb format
[08:57] <nevyn> binReapr: what's the rpm of?
[08:57] <Cam> er
[08:57] <binReapr> bzip2 development files
[08:57] <nevyn> binReapr: ummm bzip2 development stuff should be in universe.
[08:58] <chibif1> Use Alien? So you don't need a whole extra package management system?
[08:58] <nevyn> libbz2-dev
[08:58] <nevyn> umm he shouldn't be doing this .
[08:58] <nevyn> it's availible in either the standard ubuntu stuff or in universe
[08:59] <Taliesin2> hello all
[08:59] <binReapr> nevyn thank you very much, my search string was bas, thank you
[08:59] <binReapr> bad
[09:00] <Taliesin2> I am trying to get some info on this ditro
[09:00] <Taliesin2> is this the one that is installed at schools
[09:00] <Taliesin2> in south africa
[09:00] <Taliesin2> by the shuttleworth foundation
[09:01] <bob2> could be
[09:01] <bob2><EMAIL_ADDRESS>would be the best place to ask that sort of thing
[09:01] <Cam> Taliesin2: theres alot of information on the website
[09:01] <froust> ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the Macromedia Flash Player installer.
[09:01] <bob2> but mark certainly is our boss
[09:01] <Taliesin2> kewl
[09:01] <nevyn> froust: yep. that's correct
[09:01] <froust> is there a version of flash for amd64?
[09:01] <Taliesin2> are the clients dumb terminals or are the stand alones?
[09:01] <nxterra> another question :) -- I installed firestarter however, it prompts me for a root password...I never created a root password!
[09:02] <Cam> Taliesin2: another place to look would be distrowatch.com
[09:02] <binReapr> where can I find info on how to get root access in kde?
[09:02] <nevyn> nxterra: how did you install firestarter?
[09:02] <nxterra> nevyn, synapic
[09:02] <chibif1> bin- You can still use gksudo with kde.
[09:02] <Taliesin2> We are trying to decide which server is best to port our learning management system
[09:02] <nxterra> nevyn, synaptic
[09:02] <bob2> Taliesin2: I don't think anyone here will know that sort of detail...asking the address I suggested would be the best idea, I think.
[09:02] <nevyn> nxterra: heard you.
[09:02] <bob2> binReapr: in the FAQ
[09:02] <Taliesin2> thank you
[09:03] <nxterra> just spelling right ;)
[09:03] <nevyn> is firestarter in supported?
[09:03] <bob2> no
[09:03] <Cam> Taliesin2: i might be able to help you depending on your problem
[09:03] <Taliesin2> well
[09:03] <Taliesin2> we have spent 2 years on a LMS
[09:04] <Taliesin2> php and mysql based
[09:04] <nxterra> maybe it came from the universal repos..but still...you should be able to access it :)
[09:04] <Taliesin2> now they would like to release it
[09:04] <Taliesin2> they want me to make sure that it works on a linux distro