[00:01] <MTecknology> How do I apply a diff file to a branch?
[00:01] <bob2> did the diff come from bzr?
[00:02] <MTecknology> ya
[00:02] <bob2> why the diff then?
[00:02] <bob2> instead of using bzr merge or producing a bundle?
[00:03] <MTecknology> somebody else generated a few diff files and never pushed a branch to let me do a merge with
[00:03] <bob2> can you ask them to produce a bundle instead?
[00:03] <bob2> if not, just apply with 'patch'
[00:04] <MTecknology> how do I apply w/ that command?
[00:04] <MTecknology> I know there's multiple files changes with each patch file
[00:05] <Peng_> The person should really generate bundles. With bundles, you'd then use "bzr merge path/to/whatever.bundle"
[00:05] <MTecknology> I already asked them to
[00:05] <MTecknology> they won't
[00:06] <MTecknology> nvm... I figured it out
[00:15] <jseabold> bob2: I have pushed from my home computer which was revision 1726, then I pushed from work which was 1727, both show up on launchpad, but when I try bzr up it says at newest revision 1726
[00:18] <jseabold> bob2: maybe I should just try to get the branch again from launchpad?
[00:44] <GaryvdM> jelmer:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFB_Hoedspruit
[01:02] <jelmer> 'evening Bob
[01:07] <lifeless> hi jelmer
[01:08] <jelmer> Hi lifeless
[01:08] <jelmer> How are things?
[01:08] <lifeless> as well as can be expected
[01:20] <jseabold> bob2: sorry to bother, but I just had another look at it, and I think it's because when I started the other working directory at work I used "bzr branch" then pushed back to the original place rather than "bzr checkout"
[01:20] <jseabold> does that sound possible?
[01:25] <evn> Bazaar (bzr) 1.16dev
[01:25] <evn> how do i start git-serve now?
[01:26] <bob2> jseabold: checkout and branch do mostly the same thing
[01:30] <jseabold> bob2: Hmm, I just tried both and the branch command said "Branched revision(s) 1727" and checkout didn't return any message, so I thought maybe that was the difference.
[01:33] <evn> jelmer: ^
[01:33] <jelmer> evn, bzr serve --git
[01:33] <evn> it appears to work
[01:33] <evn> should it output anything?
[01:34] <jelmer> evn, no, not at the moment
[01:34] <evn> fatal: http://localhost/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server?
[01:35] <evn> is it on some specific port?
[01:35] <bob2> jseabold: sorry, not sure where you ran these things etc
[01:36] <evn> oh, something happened
[01:37] <evn> http://pastie.org/492184
[01:37] <jseabold> bob2: Right, oh well.  Thanks for the help, but I've got to run.  I'm sure I'll be back if I keep running into this problem...
[01:40] <jelmer> evn, not sure what's happening there. Any chance you can file a bug?
[01:40] <jelmer> I don't have time to look into it now unfortunately
[01:40] <evn> sure...where
[01:40] <jelmer> launchpad.net/bzr-git
[01:41] <evn> ok
[01:41] <jelmer> I don't have time to look into it atm, time for sleep
[01:41] <jelmer> g'night
[01:41] <evn> thanks
[01:45] <evn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-git/+bug/381143
[01:48] <evn> hello there, bot
[01:57] <Peng_> ubottu isn't a bot, just a really fast typer. :)
[01:57] <Peng_> ubottu: Not helping!
[01:57] <Peng_> :(
[02:05] <GarveyPatrickD> ubottu: Help
[02:07] <GarveyPatrickD> What does it respond to?
[02:22] <igc> morning
[02:25] <Peng_> G'morning!
[04:33] <nadavoid> I've used bzr push sftp://[stuff] and connected and apparantly succeeded. But it didn't do what I thought it would.  It crated a repository (.bzr directory) on the sftp server, but it didn't publish an actual files there.  What do I need to do to publish the actual files that I'm working with?
[04:34] <nadavoid> In other words, I currently end up with *only* the .bzr directory being created on the server.
[04:34] <bob2> 'bzr checkout'
[04:34] <bob2> then the 'update after push' plugin
[04:35] <bob2>  ( https://launchpad.net/bzr-push-and-update/ )
[04:35] <nadavoid> bob2: that looks perfect. thank you very much!
[04:36] <nadavoid> bob2: should I delete the .bzr directory I just created, before I try what you suggested?
[04:49] <bob2> no
[05:51] <mib_y3onohsi> Having trouble setting ACLs for shared repositories
[05:51] <mib_y3onohsi> Anyone with such knowledge?
[06:33] <nadavoid> I've done 'bzr push sftp://[stuff]' --- now I can't get 'bzr checkout' to work. I've tried several variations of the command.
[06:34] <nadavoid> I want 'bzr checkout' to put the actual files on the server.
[06:34] <nadavoid> 'bzr checkout alone doesn't do it.
[06:36] <nadavoid> I've also tried 'bzr checkout ./ sftp://username@server/~/path/to/directory' but that gives me this error: "ERROR: File exists: 'path/to/directory/.bzr': Failure: unable to mkdir"
[06:37] <nadavoid> I tried that exact same command after deleting .bzr directory on the server, but that failed too. (I forget the error message on that one.)
[06:39] <bob2> don't do any of that, aside from the first 'push'
[06:39] <bob2> https://launchpad.net/bzr-push-and-update/
[06:40] <nadavoid> oh. so I just install the plugin, then do 'bzr push' again?
[06:40] <bob2> don't know
[06:40] <lifeless> nadavoid: you'll need to install the plugin, ssh to the server, run 'bzr checkout .' in the directory in question, and then when you push it should just work
[06:41] <nadavoid> lifeless: bzr isn't installed on the server. Would that prevent me from doing what you say?
[06:41] <lifeless> yes
[06:41] <nadavoid> bummer.
[06:42] <lifeless> nadavoid: if you just want a copy of the code on the server, get the upload plugin instead
[06:42] <lifeless> it it designed for web publishing and such
[06:43] <nadavoid> lifeless: that would work if I'm wanting to regularly make updates?
[06:44] <nadavoid> I want to have a local copy of php code, and push it out to live sites occasionally.
[06:56] <lifeless> nadavoid: thats what bzr-upload is designed for
[06:56] <nadavoid> ok, great. now I just have to figure out how to get it installed properly.
[07:19] <ronny> anyone aware of any invocation rites to get jelmer here ?
[07:20] <lifeless> he should be on soon, he is in spain at a sprint at the moment
[07:52] <ronny> lifeless: ah, i see, im tinkerning with adding some higher level api's to dulwich, want to discuss before starting implementing
[08:53] <BasicOSX> poolie: ping? I
[08:54] <BasicOSX> I'm not sure I understand your response on the ML.  following release doc I did 'make dist' and it succeeded.
[09:03] <beuno> Peng_, ping
[09:08] <ronny> jelmer: are there any plans to make the dulwich apis more nice for walking trees/commit graphs
[09:09] <ronny> currently many things about objects give me object id's, when another objects might have been convient
[09:14] <poolie> BasicOSX: hello
[09:14] <poolie> i'll re-read it
[09:14] <poolie> igc: hello, if you're here
[09:14] <poolie> hello lifeless
[09:15] <poolie> lifeless:  is there a "scroll to bottom" key in irssi?
[09:16] <jelmer> ronny, Hi
[09:16] <jelmer> ronny, I'm not sure what the best approach is there
[09:17] <jelmer> ronny, The Bazaar graph utility functions are generic enough that they're usable for git as well, but I'm not sure if I want to maintain a copy of them in Git
[09:17] <jelmer> igc, ping
[09:18] <ronny> jelmer: i can probably deal with the graph walking fine, but walking the trees could be a bit more convient
[09:18] <poolie> BasicOSX: answered; hth
[09:18] <jelmer> ronny: What sort of functions are you looking for exactly? Walking the contents of the full tree?
[09:19] <jelmer> ronny, Just iterating over all entries in a trees works fine for me, there's also a function that can lookup a path
[09:20] <ronny> jelmer: im mostly looking for apis that give me objects instead of object-id's
[09:20] <jelmer> ronny: If you have an object id it's a matter of repo[object-id] to get at the object
[09:21] <ronny> jelmer: im not exactly sure on it yet, i'll implement a prototype in anyvc
[09:21] <jelmer> ronny: Retrieving the object immediately from tree is going to be slow if you don't actually need the object
[09:21] <ronny> jelmer: yes, but that step of indirection feels inconvient, i have to take care of the repo, the object, the id's , lost of things to track i dont directly care about
[09:22] <jelmer> ronny: dulwich can provide a function that returns an iterator over tuples of data in the tree, but you have no ability to skip any data in the tree
[09:22] <poolie> igc: great performance patches
[09:23] <ronny> jelmer: i'll build what i think that could work nice and will let you review that for suckage points
[09:23] <jelmer> ronny, would that help?
[09:24] <ronny> jelmer: im not yet sure on my exact neesds, anyvc's history stuff is still rather small
[09:32] <jelmer> mwhudson: is the vlc import still failing?
[09:33] <mwhudson> jelmer: i don't know, let's look
[09:33] <mwhudson> jelmer: yes: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/vlc/master
[09:36] <wam> Hi, I use bzr 1.15 and want to use something like svn externals. I read all about nested trees and I think that's what I want. But it doesn't work. I always end up with a error message "ERROR: Cannot join myproject. Trees have the same root id".
[09:37] <wam> I'm developing zope and have a directory "src" where my projects are. They're all their own repositories. Now I want to have a "root" repositry that fetches them all plus some config files for the whole project when I co it.
[09:37] <wam> Am I misunderstanding the "nested trees"?
[09:38] <mwhudson> wam: you are aware nested trees are very alpha-ish right?
[09:38] <mwhudson> wam: but that sounds like the trees you are joining are not in a format that supports such
[09:38] <wam> mwhudson: should they all be rich-root?
[09:39] <wam> mwhudson: I didn't know that they're alpha ;) But I really need that feature...
[09:39] <abentley> beuno: Would you like to work on some more user stories?
[09:39] <mwhudson> wam: oh look! abentley is here
[09:39] <wam> ;)
[09:42] <wam> abentley: could you guide me to a working nested tree setup? I already have a directory with several repositories and would like to join them all to a global repository for the whole project.
[09:46] <mwhudson> wam: maybe you could use scmproj (google) for now?
[09:47] <wam> mwhudson: didn't know that. /me looks
[09:52] <abentley> wam: nested-by-reference is not in a usable state.  If you want to combine your trees into a single tree, you can use the merge-into plugin.
[09:52] <wam> abentley: thanks, I'll have a look
[09:53] <abentley> wam: If you want the trees to remain separate, scmproj is probably the best choice.
[09:53] <wam> abentley: that was the intention. So scmproj will match.
[11:11] <igc> ping poolie, jelmer
[11:11] <igc> hi guys - was at dinner previously
[11:12] <igc> I've got 10-20 minutes before I need to get the kids into bed if you need to chat about anything
[11:22] <pygi> igc: they're in a session I think
[11:22] <igc> thanks pygi
[11:32]  * igc bbl
[11:43] <nedosa> question: i've made more than a few changes in my own branch, which I now want to merge back to the trunk, but re-shuffle the commits into more logical segments
[11:44] <nedosa> so i've tried to generate a diff from the common ancestor between my branch and the trunk, which i then want to apply to the trunk and then proceed like that
[11:44] <bob2> bzr-rebase
[11:44] <bob2> but think about whether it really matters to you or not
[11:45] <nedosa> oh i see
[11:46] <nedosa> i ran into problems with creation of new directories and moving files, it doesn't seem to be cleanly supported by the diff,patch combo
[12:00] <lifeless> poolie: dunno, never looked for it
[13:40] <jelmer> LarstiQ, ping
[13:42] <LarstiQ> jelmer: pong
[13:43] <jelmer> LarstiQ, are you still able to reproduce bug 336749 with newer versions of bzr/bzr-svn, with fresh clones?
[13:44] <LarstiQ> jelmer: how new?
[13:44] <jelmer> LarstiQ, like, 0.6.1
[13:44] <LarstiQ> jelmer: should I wipe the cache?
[13:44] <jelmer> LarstiQ, yeah
[13:44]  * LarstiQ reruns the sequnce
[13:44] <jelmer> LarstiQ, you also might want to install python-tdb at the same time (should give a faster and smaller cache)
[13:44] <LarstiQ> jelmer: I'm a bit leary of tdb yet
[13:45] <LarstiQ> it's still a very fresh change, see things like bug 381270
[13:46] <jelmer> Ah, I should be using tdb.Tdb probably
[13:47] <LarstiQ> jelmer: I started packaging 0.6.1 as you see, I hope that's ok
[13:47] <jelmer> LarstiQ, more than ok :-) Thanks for doing that
[13:47] <LarstiQ> jelmer: feel free to prewarn/prod me on irc around a release so the debs can be done even faster ;)
[13:47] <jelmer> LarstiQ, will do :-)
[13:48] <LarstiQ> hmm, the bzr check https:// trips an assertion
[13:49] <LarstiQ> jelmer: bzr branch https://../spitfire; cd spitfire; bzr reconcile -> similar backtrace, same KeyError
[13:49] <jelmer> LarstiQ, but what about branch?
[13:50] <jelmer> LarstiQ, That's the main one we looked at tbh
[13:51] <LarstiQ> hmm, I can't find the tdb cache to remove
[13:52] <jelmer> Should be somewhere in ~/.cache/bazaar/svn if you have xdg
[13:52] <LarstiQ> check
[13:52]  * LarstiQ removes
[13:53] <LarstiQ> jelmer: the second branch completes
[13:53]  * LarstiQ tries log
[13:53] <LarstiQ> seems to work too
[13:53] <jelmer> LarstiQ, Ok, so reconcile is the main thing that's remaining?
[13:54] <LarstiQ> jelmer: so far, yes
[14:39] <LarstiQ> beuno: could you test the hardy bzr-svn 0.6.1 package in the (main and beta have the same) ppa?
[14:43] <beuno> LarstiQ, will do in ah hour or two
[14:43] <LarstiQ> cool
[14:53] <visik7> hi
[14:54] <visik7> I've a repository I want to give access to only a subdir is it possible '
[14:54] <visik7> ?
[14:57] <LarstiQ> visik7: if with repository you mean branch, no.
[14:57] <visik7> yes sorry a branch
[14:57] <visik7> neither with views ?
[14:57] <LarstiQ> I very much doubt that.
[14:57] <LarstiQ> visik7: you could split it into different branches though.
[15:24] <visik7> LarstiQ:  how ?
[15:39] <awilkins> lifeless: Ping?
[15:40] <danigm> Hi all
[15:41] <danigm> It's possible to define an alias similar to launchad plugin "lp"?
[15:42]  * awilkins thinks the answer is in your question
[15:43] <GaryvdM> danigm: such as in another plugin, yes
[15:44] <danigm> GaryvdM: but it's needed to add another plugin? is not possible to do it changing a configuration file?
[15:45] <GaryvdM> No
[15:45] <GaryvdM> You may be interested in the bookmark plugin?
[15:45] <danigm> GaryvdM: ok, I will look it
[16:13] <fullermd> Damnit.  So now all my preferences and subscriptions and login and everything on the wiki is gone off to la-la land?
[16:16] <emmajane> fullermd, because of the LP signon?
[16:16] <fullermd> Yeah.
[16:17] <emmajane> I remember I was still subscribed to /a/ page, but I don't remember if I've been getting updates.
[16:17] <SamB> hmm ?
[16:17] <emmajane> huh. maybe not though (according to my UserPreferences page)
[16:18] <poolie> hello emmajane
[16:18] <emmajane> poolie, hey :)
[16:18] <SamB> they should have had it email everyone a thingy to migrate their preferences to their LP account ...
[16:18] <emmajane> fullermd, Yeah, I lied. I have no subscriptions either.
[16:19] <emmajane> SamB, I have no recollection of receiving such an email...
[16:19] <SamB> I said "maybe they should have"
[16:19] <SamB> indicating that they didn't
[16:19] <fullermd> Better would be to just let me migrate the account...
[16:19] <emmajane> SamB, ahhh. I missed the part where you didn't type "maybe" ;)
[16:19] <SamB> oh, oops
[16:20] <SamB> fullermd: that's what I mean -- should have emailed you a link to do just that
[16:20] <SamB> or a blob of text or something
[16:20] <emmajane> poolie, did you stick around for UDS?
[16:21] <emmajane> SamB, that's *way* too logical to give users choice. :)
[16:22] <SamB> emmajane: what, you would prefer it try to migrate to a launchpad account with the same email and, if none existed, just drop everything ?
[16:23] <poolie> emmacjane, yes, i did
[16:23] <SamB> I mean, you might have used say<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or something -- presumably you wouldn't have that listed in your launchpad account ;-)
[16:24] <emmajane> SamB, I'm just agreeing with fullermd that it's rude to lose user data/preferences. :)
[16:26] <emmajane> poolie, excellent. :)
[16:26] <SamB> now that you've alerted me to this issue, I have resubscribed to http://bazaar-vcs.org/GitStyleBranches
[16:27] <SamB> which is probably the only thing I was subscribed to
[16:28] <SamB> speaking of which, does anyone have any criticisms for that page?
[16:30] <ronny> jelmer: you got some code somewhere that  helps viewing svn history as reasonable graph?
[16:31] <jelmer> ronny, How do you mean?
[16:31] <jelmer> ronny, subversion is mostly left hand side revisions and cherrypicks
[16:32] <ronny> jelmer: i have no idea what you mean by that
[16:32] <emmajane> SamB, I don't understand what it's about....
[16:32] <SamB> ronny: I'm afraid bzr-svn doesn't use svn mergeinfo as well as it could :-(
[16:32] <jelmer> ronny, revisions in subversion don't have more than one parent
[16:32] <jelmer> SamB, ?
[16:32] <ronny> bascially i just want to try to make the stuff in branches/tags/trunk look as dag-ish as possible
[16:33] <SamB> jelmer: well, you COULD try to check if all of the revisions since a branch point have been merged ...
[16:33] <jelmer> SamB, that'll help only a few users at a performance cost
[16:34] <SamB> jelmer: and probably just make them grumpier ;-)
[16:34] <SamB> yes
[16:34] <jelmer> SamB, supporting mergeinfo that way is pointless until bzr itself supports proper cherrypicking tracking
[16:34] <SamB> but it sounds like it's what ronny was hoping for
[16:34] <jelmer> SamB, no, it's unrelated - we weren't talking about bzr-svn
[16:35] <SamB> well, I mean, ronny seems to be looking for code that does basically that
[16:35] <jelmer> SamB, no, because that's unrelated to a dag
[16:35] <SamB> jelmer: I don't see how it's unrelated!
[16:35] <ronny> hmm, svn history is not exactly coercable into a dag
[16:36] <jelmer> ronny, afaik you're looking for svn repository layout code right?
[16:36] <ronny> jelmer: mostly
[16:36] <SamB> ronny: yeah, looking at git-svn's graphs in gitk is always so depressing :-(
[16:36] <ronny> jelmer: i wantto have a remotely reasonable log
[16:37] <jelmer> ronny, there's nothing like that in subvertpy
[16:38] <ronny> jelmer: i know that already, just wondered if you had something about that somewhere else
[16:38] <ronny> hmm, time to play with remoteaccess
[16:38] <jelmer> ronny, bzr-svn does that sort of analysis
[16:39] <ronny> i need to get at least the commit message of the "head" revision
[16:39] <emmajane> SamB, I took a look at your wiki page. It needs more of an introduction. I don't understand what it's describing at this point.
[16:39] <jelmer> ronny: So, RemoteAccess.get_log will get you linear history information just like "svn log"
[16:39] <SamB> emmajane: yeah. I seem to have thought so too ... but couldn't figure out what to say
[16:40] <SamB> at least, judging by the thing I have in brackets at the top
[16:40] <emmajane> SamB, adding a useful heading to the very-very top would be a good start. :)
[16:40] <emmajane> SamB, try just telling me here what it's about and then cheat and copy and paste it into the doc.
[16:41] <ronny> jelmer: are there any examples to get the last revision that commited to trunk?
[16:41] <SamB> well, it's supposed to be about how to keep several branches around but use them all with the same working directory
[16:41] <emmajane> SamB, cool!
[16:41] <jelmer> ronny, see examples/ra_log.py
[16:41] <SamB> sort of like when you use branches with git
[16:42] <emmajane> SamB, how about: Creating a working directory
[16:43] <emmajane> and then: This page explains how to set up a working directory that contains multiple branches. This will be familiar to those who've used Git in the past and are migrating to Bazaar.
[16:43] <SamB> emmajane: well, it can't actually *contain* the branches
[16:44] <SamB> at least, I don't know how it can
[16:44] <emmajane> (although who've to should be expanded as it's harder for ESL readers)
[16:44] <ronny> jelmer: doesnt looke exactly what i want, im goign to try figuring
[16:44] <ronny> jelmer: in case of doubt, i have to take the latest from_rev inside the first callback and run a second one?
[16:45] <jelmer> ronny, that's exactly what you were mentioning except that it iterates all revisions from 0 to the latest rather than the other way around
[16:45] <jelmer> and you need to pass limit=1 if you need just one
[16:45] <emmajane> SamB, no?
[16:45] <emmajane> SamB, I thought that was the whole point: shared repo for multiple branches?
[16:46] <SamB> emmajane: yeah
[16:46] <SamB> but unlike git, the branches aren't inside the working directory
[16:46] <SamB> not without ColocatedBranches, anyway
[16:46] <emmajane> SamB, great, so go ahead and adjust what I've typed to make it right for your doc.
[16:48] <SamB> emmajane: okay, I didn't change much
[16:48] <SamB> except I basically rewrote the heading
[16:49] <emmajane> great.
[16:49] <emmajane> SamB, It would also be most excellent to get rid of the (instructions in brackets). They're sort of confusing as written.
[16:49] <jelmer> Are you talking about the GitStyleBranches spec? That should probably be folded into the ColocatedBranches one
[16:49] <emmajane> specifically: [Again, the cd commands are kinda ridiculous here -- maybe I should use another way of indicating where each step is to be done?]
[16:50] <emmajane> jelmer, http://bazaar-vcs.org/GitStyleBranches
[16:50] <emmajane> that's the page I'm looking at.
[16:50] <SamB> jelmer: it's not a spec!
[16:50] <SamB> it's a tutorial thingy
[16:50] <jelmer> ah, sorry
[16:50] <jelmer> never mind me then
[16:50] <emmajane> jelmer, :)
[16:50] <emmajane> jelmer, I always mind you! :)
[16:50] <SamB> I like to live only very slightly in the future ;-)
[16:51] <emmajane> SamB, I often live in the past. :)
[16:51] <SamB> (which is to say, in bzr.dev rather than the release)
[16:51] <SamB> and sometimes I don't upgrade and end up in the past
[16:52] <emmajane> SamB, what does the heading, "What They Said" mean?
[16:52] <emmajane> SamB, do you mean, "Background information" ?
[16:52] <SamB> emmajane: hmm, yeah, that was the next thing I wanted to change
[16:53] <SamB> hmm, yeah, that sounds like a much better heading there
[17:01] <emmajane> SamB, for the actual step by step instructions I like to have detailed information on what I'm about to do and then what I type at the command line.
[17:01] <ronny> jelmer: btw, ever experimented if greenlets turn may turn the svn log into a generator?
[17:02] <jelmer> ronny: it seems a bit heavyweight to depend on greenlets for that sort of thing, it would mean subvertpy would have to depend on them
[17:02] <ronny> jelmer: im trying to figure hout how to wrap it, so it will fallback to a thread
[17:03] <emmajane> SamB, and where possible I like to expand commands (e.g. the shortcut on mv. Not everyone knows about curly braces...I've been using *nix for over six years and just found out about it last year.)
[17:03] <jelmer> ronny: bzr-svn also has some functionality that can do that, using a simple helper thread
[17:04] <emmajane> SamB, You can probably also get rid of the cd $FOO and cd .. commands. Just explain to people in words which directory they need to be in before issuing the relevant command.
[17:08] <emmajane> I've made it in life! lifeless asked me to be his facebook friend. :)
[17:43] <igc> night all
[18:17] <Guest> Hello, is it possible to make bzr ignore symlinks?
[18:18] <Guest2022> I mean, how do I create a general rule into .bzrignore to make it ignore all symlinks
[18:41] <Guest2022> no one?
[18:42] <fullermd> I'm pretty sure there isn't one.  .bzrignore just takes paths.
[18:45] <Guest2022> thanks
[19:07] <mib_dzx78e79> Anyone with knowledge of ACLs?
[20:08] <mib_9ju1c2mf> Can anyone assist with a permission issue?
[21:19] <lifeless> awilkins: pong
[21:50] <mib_l3vtwtue> What is the best way to set up a shared repository among several users on a single machine?
[22:59] <emmajane> Created a standalone tree (format: pack-0.92) <--- that's a nice touch.
[22:59] <emmajane> takes some of the magic out of init.
[23:09] <Peng_> beuno: pong, ish


[02:04] <micahg> Logan_: yeah, there was an issue with the importer not being able to push to branches which should be fixed
[02:04] <Logan_> Will the current failures be dequeued?
[02:04] <Logan_> *requeued
[02:05] <micahg> hrm, idk if they autotry
[02:05]  * micahg isn't sure who can kick that
[02:06] <Logan_> Any of the UDD admins.
[02:06] <ajmitch> maybe wgrant
[02:06] <Logan_> https://launchpad.net/~udd/+members
[02:08] <wgrant> Fixing
[02:09] <ajmitch> thanks
[06:44] <dholbach> good morning
[15:08] <mfisch> Do we need to upload a new orig.tar.gz when we're merging from debian? The merge contains a new upstream. I assume yes, but dont want to screw it up
[15:10] <maxb> I don't think LP is clever enough to auto-import the orig from Debian, so yes, you'd have to upload it.
[15:18] <mfisch> maxb: thanks


[08:33] <rbasak> Please could someone accept my nomination for a Precise task in 946758? Upstream have fixed it in Quantal, and releases prior to Precise do not appear to be affected (based on the code).
[08:33] <rbasak> bug 946758
[08:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 946758 in mdadm "Format string overflow in Monitor.c:check_array" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/946758
[08:38] <jibel_> rbasak, done
[08:38] <rbasak> jibel_: thanks
[16:54] <bullgard6> [Ubuntu 12.04 GNOME Shell 3.4] '~$ gedit ~/.xsession-errors:  "** Message: console message: @0: event.layerX and event.layerY are broken and deprecated in WebKit. They will be removed from the engine in the near future.' appears 1000 times. What is the associated DEB program package?


[09:03] <akis> hi all. which application is recommended for irc chat on lubuntu?
[09:06] <hateball> akis: One that fits your personal preference
[09:07] <hateball> !irc
[09:09] <akis> hateball: i am asking for this one that fits better to lubuntu and doesnt need more depedencies from other desktops (ex. KDE, XFCE etc) so my system will remain light.
[09:10] <hateball> akis: Does it have to have a GUI, otherwise irssi is nice
[09:10] <akis> i would like to have a GUI
[09:11] <hateball> iirc xchat doesnt have that many dependencies outside of GTK+, it should tell you if you try to install it
[09:12] <hateball> I'm on KDE right now, and attempting to install Xchat doesnt want a lot of extra stuff
[09:13] <akis> i am using xchat alredy under xubuntu and its fine and pretty fast but i didnt decide to install because it is designed for xfce. is it a problem if i will install it to my lubuntu?
[09:14] <akis> kde has many beutiful and useful apps (dolphin, konversation gnview) and many more but make the systme too heavy for my hardware
[09:14] <hateball> it's not really designed for xfce, it can use gtk+ is all. and I'm thinking you already have gtk+ installed
[09:15] <hateball> I've not tried hexchat, perhaps that is preferable
[09:15] <akis> ok that's excellent then. and which screenshot app is recommended for lubuntu? xubuntu's screenshot maybe?
[09:20] <hateball> again it depends on features needed
[09:20] <hateball> scrot is nice enough, no gui tho
[09:30] <akis> screenshot is very fast and light and meets my needs
[13:55] <Ahmuck> holstein: so ... i've decided to fix and offer a bounty to fix the broken menu system of lubuntu as well as create a graphical map of startup and existing processes as well as bare applications for lubuntu
[13:55] <Ahmuck> so ... i've decided to fix and offer a bounty to fix the broken menu system of lubuntu as well as create a graphical map of startup and existing processes as well as bare applications for lubuntu
[13:57] <Ahmuck> as well as creating a "signature" or "fingerprint" of known "shipped with" application binairies
[14:01] <Ahmuck> and a list of "only necessary applications" or bare bones gui lubuntu
[14:03] <Ahmuck> why is lubuntu moving away from gtk to qt?
[14:19] <testdr> Ahmuck: are you using a newer lubuntu version as 14.04.1?
[14:22] <Ahmuck> no
[14:22] <Ahmuck> the newer version is more streamlined?
[14:22] <Ahmuck> so i just stumbled across system tools frontend and wayland
[14:25] <testdr> Ahmuck: would you please so kind and check what lxde system tools you are speaking about? For example the user-admin-tool  is mostly made with perl
[14:27] <Ahmuck> i was looking only at the gui tools offered.  there are several "terms", multiple keyboard, power management, system configuration, package managers, etc.
[14:28] <testdr> Ahmuck: what is "several terms"?
[14:28] <Ahmuck> btw, i am getting internal server erros from lubuntu website
[14:28] <testdr> Ahmuck: and you think its a qt/kde-fault?
[14:29] <Ahmuck> sorry, to clarify, lxterm, uterm, xterm, etc.
[14:29] <Ahmuck> i moved from kubuntu to lubuntu for a light dm specifically because i could not run kubuntu (kde) any longer on the machines i was using.
[14:29] <Ahmuck> i'd hate to loose the functionality I gained by moving
[14:30] <testdr> Ahmuck: what do you have against differt kind of terminal-emulations? I still prefer (as an old school user) the xterm
[14:30] <Ahmuck> i really enjoyed kde and it's gui heavy interface but it just became resource heavy
[14:30] <testdr> Ahmuck: moving the mouse and functionality is a question of the windowmanager configuration
[14:31] <Ahmuck> i think that is my point, why is it necessary to have multiple terms.  any user wanting a different term would know how to install it on his own
[14:32] <Ahmuck> a problem i run into recently with ibus.  finding i did not need ibus to provide a usable keyboard map and accents i dumped it.  after dumping it my system became much faster and reading through many forums came to realize that ibus was in fact slowing windows down
[14:32] <Ahmuck> btw, in the old days we would let people install thier own ibus.  or in my case scim
[14:43] <phillw> Ahmuck: with regards to several CLI apps, I have made our head of dev aware and it is on his TODO list (with lots of other stuff!)
[14:44] <Ahmuck> so i guess we will be working in parallel
[14:44]  * Ahmuck is getting up to speed on current de
[14:45] <Ahmuck> phillw: it's not just the cli.  for example there are two menu options over different menu lists to work with network settings
[14:45] <phillw> I've actually had to use one of the CLI apps (not lxterminal) in a Virtual Machine, for some reason KVM and lxterminal do not play nicely together.
[14:46] <Ahmuck> looking at the sys tools taht is being developed here ... http://system-tools-backends.freedesktop.org/download.html
[14:46] <Ahmuck> i would imagine this is the eventual goal?
[14:46] <phillw> Ahmuck: also, with the move from LXDE to LXQt that gives a chance to tidy things up :)
[14:47] <Ahmuck> phillw: actually after reading for about 15 min, that i have come to understand about de to qt.  will it be more resource heavy?
[14:47] <Ahmuck> btw, is there an independent audit group auditing code?
[14:48] <phillw> it is possible that it will be very slightly more resource hungry. Full testing cannot be done as not all the applications have been ported over to it,
[14:49] <phillw> Ahmuck: the code is overseen by the merger of LXDE people with RavorQt people.
[14:49] <Ahmuck> base testing could be done though, right?  and will there be a selection of effecient core apps
[14:50] <phillw> Ahmuck: indeed, there is a meta package available but it is advised to run in VM or on a test machine... They do break it from time to time :)
[14:50] <Ahmuck> phillw: i was thinking more along privacy audit.  with the snowden fiasco and some of the revelations that have resulted from it, i would hope that there was an independent audit group auditing code
[14:50] <phillw> Ahmuck: linux are independant :D
[14:51] <phillw> anyone can view the source code,  and many, many thousands do!
[14:52] <Ahmuck> well, not really if people are just installing binaries.  look at OpenBSD.  even it had been comprimised at some point
[14:52] <Ahmuck> yes, i wonder if enough people with neutral alligence are looking at the code
[14:53] <phillw> Ahmuck: that's for people to decide. all debian stuff has source code available. It is a requirement to get accepted
[14:53] <Ahmuck> k, back to the core apps.  system tools backend really looks solid in what it is trying to acomplish
[14:53] <testdr> Ahmuck: you dont get the point (is this your task?), if code is not open, it will always be hidden and may "faulty" - open code can checked, but this does not imply everything will be found, what could be malicious
[14:54] <Ahmuck> kk, well i need to catch up.  it's been three years since I left the scene and getting back in seems easier.  perhaps less stress or wiser this time around
[14:54] <phillw> Ahmuck: I'm not a dev, just a tester :) I know that Lubuntu Software Center is being ported to Qt5, along with a new system to manage PPA's (as lubuntueers love to tweak things) and the Update Manager.
[14:55] <phillw> It was I who 'kidnapped' a dev for those three projects :)
[14:56] <phillw> He's been allocated a lab-rat, so they are working on those areas :)
[14:58] <Ahmuck> i used to test
[14:58] <Ahmuck> quite extensively
[14:58] <Ahmuck> my greater achievement is ui ... which ubuntu borrowed my desktop layout
[14:59] <phillw> great, get back involved! Walter is a nice guy (TL of testing) and we do have good documentation.... We allways need testers :)
[14:59] <holstein> Ahmuck: this is not a bounty situation.. you are free to pay anyone you like to fix what you like, independently
[14:59] <Ahmuck> :) i have a life now !
[14:59] <phillw> so do I, but still test :)
[15:00] <Ahmuck> i'm an artist.  design is my drug.
[15:00] <phillw> Ahmuck: than say hello to rafaellaguna TL of our design team, he also looks for new people to bring new ideas in!
[15:44] <Ahmuck> is 64bit only for amd?  it only has amd in it's file name
[15:45]  * Ahmuck wonders why they put a rj45 connection in laptops anymore
[15:47] <phillw> Ahmuck: it is a legacy thing, just as i386 ISO needs an i686 chip :)
[15:55] <Ahmuck> http://boycottsystemd.org/
[15:55] <Ahmuck> hrm
[15:56] <Ahmuck> while on the subject of the KISS principle, is there a reason why linux users have not required thier software developers (by reason of democratic coding) to create a document configuration area for apps within the users home directory?
[15:57] <Ahmuck> ie, /home/user/.config/.application
[15:57] <Ahmuck> rather than each software having thier configuration placed ninny whiny whereever
[16:01] <phillw> Ahmuck: when did you last try to herd cats?
[16:02] <Ahmuck> with food
[16:02] <Ahmuck> i have 8 cats
[16:02] <Ahmuck> (bounties)
[16:03] <Ahmuck> they always come when i have food, as i only put out food once a day
[16:03] <Ahmuck> well, ok i don't have 8 but 2 however it seems that the small town i live in believes if they drop off thier strays i will get them nutered/spayed, shots, and then feed them until they find a home
[16:04] <Ahmuck> this is actually something a distro has the power to persuade with "certified by" logo
[16:05] <Ahmuck> for example, i use mnemosyne, goldendict, gimp, thunderbird
[16:07] <Ahmuck> user config could be placed in /home/user/.config/.goldendict/dictionaries, /home/user/config/.goldendict/goldendict.cfg, /home/user/.config/.thunderbird/thunderbird.cfg, /home/user/.config/.mnemosyne/database, etc.
[16:07] <Ahmuck> when i migrate from on computer to another or use portable apps digging through each software to find and locate key config files and databases is a real chore.
[16:08] <Ahmuck> and mnemosyne databases, gramps, etc are important to save (although gramps doesn't have a save function rather an export function
[16:08] <Ahmuck> vlc config would be similar
[16:58] <Ahmuck> phillw: so, about cats.  i think i've found a more democratic way of creating a standard
[16:59] <Ahmuck> i used to do script programming.  the /home/user/.userconfig is something that can be scripted for each app
[17:00] <Ahmuck> when put on a website, and perhaps with a series of checkboxes, crowdsourced with user submissions, i think's it's possible to create a user configurable script that would change all the paths within an application script to a specific directory/file pattern
[17:00] <Ahmuck> which could be downloaded and ran
[17:29] <Caberu> hello, do someone speak french here?
[17:30] <wxl> !fr | Caberu
[18:38] <holstein> Ahmuck: most folks just sync or backup their /home folder and other needed configs
[18:38] <holstein> they are not public, as you suggest "put on a website", due to security concerns
[20:24] <Weston_> Hello, could someone please tell me how to resize my mouse cursor in LXDE? Any help would be most appreciated.
[20:27] <phillw> Weston_: do you *really* want to learn?
[20:27] <Weston_> Yes please.
[20:27] <phillw> Weston_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Mouse
[20:27] <phillw> not easy!
[20:28] <Weston_> Since it is possible, I'm happy. Thank you phillw for pointing me in the right direction :)
[21:19] <lubunt> Greetings!
[21:20] <lubunt> I gots a question as a noob.  Is there a way to....keep some changes but not all?
[21:22] <ianorlin> you can uninstall some tihngs if they are dependencies
[21:23] <ianorlin> if they have dependcies that are bloated
[21:23] <lubunt> check for bloated dependencies?
[21:26] <ianorlin> what do you think is not running optimally can you go to menu system tools task manager
[21:26] <ianorlin> and see how much you have used
[21:28] <lubunt> wait
[21:29] <lubunt> I see big numbers next to somethings.
[21:29] <lubunt> what do these numbers mean?
[21:29] <lubunt> The situation is firefox, I need it to run a 32-bit applet on my 64-bit OS.
[21:30] <lubunt> I'm not on the machine right now. But I was looking to see what I could start figitting with.
[21:32] <lubunt_> yea...
[21:35] <lubunt_> Srry got disconnected. But...how do I look into the issue once I know where to look
[21:45] <ianorlin> I will find helping you easier if you are at the machine
[21:46] <ianorlin> firefox can be a memory hog on old hardware but knowing what is running slow will also help
[21:48] <lubunt_> Ok thanks! Are there other browsers that are useful and less resource consuming?
[21:48] <lubunt_> I have chromium...but that's also laggy.
[21:49] <lubunt_> I'll come back once on the machine.
[22:09] <Reffter> Whatsup! Changed for Lubuntu and its great!
[22:09] <Reffter> How do I map windows startmenu key to open Lubuntu menu ?
[22:10] <wxl> Reffter: don't have lubuntu in front of me but there's a lubuntu-rc.xml you need to edit
[22:10] <wxl> Reffter: if memory serves me correctly it's in ~/.config/openbox
[22:10] <Reffter> How ?
[22:11] <wxl> Reffter: also pretty sure that the "windows" key is referred to more generally as "mod4"
[22:11] <Reffter> Don't know nothing about terminal and commands, soz
[22:11] <wxl> Reffter: btw thanks, join the mailing list, hang out in irc with us, and we've got a place for you to contribute if you want to help with the project :)
[22:12] <wxl> Reffter: you can use leafpad to edit things. ~ refers to /home/yourusername
[22:12] <Reffter> i will
[22:12] <Reffter> oh god thanks, can you give me your reddit username ?
[22:12] <wxl> probably wxl but i honestly don't remember anymore :)
[22:13]  * wxl rarely uses reddit
[22:13] <Reffter> ok xD
[22:13] <Reffter> i opened the cfg with leafpad and now ?
[22:14]  * Reffter will create a account for wxl
[22:14]  * wxl can't remember what key opens the menu as is
[22:14]  * Reffter is joking and doesnt know nothing about Lubuntu
[22:14] <Reffter> Hehe
[22:15] <wxl> argh
[22:15] <wxl> can you put that file up on pastebin? i'll tell you what to edit sheesh
[22:16] <wxl> oh
[22:17] <wxl> search for A-F1 or Alt-F1 as that is the current key to open the menu
[22:17] <wxl> that and Control Escape
[22:17] <Reffter> found
[22:18] <wxl> ok well can you find a reference to "Super" in there?
[22:18] <wxl> because i think openbox calls it the super key for whatever reason
[22:18] <Reffter> <!-- Keybindings for running Run menu from Lxpanel on Home + R-->     <keybind key="W-r">       <action name="Execute">         <command>lxsession-default launcher_manager</command>       </action>     </keybind>     <keybind key="A-F2">       <action name="Execute">         <command>lxsession-default launcher_manager</command>       </action>     </keybind>     <!-- Keybindings for running Menu from Lxpanel -->     <keybind key="A-F
[22:18] <Reffter> Nop
[22:18] <wxl> !paste | Reffter
[22:19] <Reffter> i can paste bin it
[22:19] <wxl> yep there ya go
[22:19] <wxl> give me the WHOLE thing
[22:19] <wxl> it will save you some trouble :)
[22:19] <Reffter> Ok
[22:19] <Reffter> Thanks
[22:19] <Reffter> Love you <3
[22:19] <wxl> hahahah
[22:19]  * wxl blushes
[22:20] <Reffter> Syntax is XML ?
[22:20] <Reffter> or +PHP
[22:20] <wxl> xml
[22:20] <Reffter> ARGH!
[22:20] <Reffter> PHP and other Web scripts are not allowed
[22:20] <wxl> you don't have to worry about syntax hilighting
[22:20] <wxl> use paste.ubuntu.com
[22:20] <Reffter> '-'
[22:20] <Reffter> im using
[22:21] <wxl> weird
[22:21] <Reffter> yea
[22:21] <wxl> so here let's try this
[22:21] <wxl> install the package "pastebinit"
[22:21] <Reffter> Synaptic Power!
[22:22] <Reffter> done
[22:22] <wxl> ok, now open up the terminal
[22:22] <wxl> don't be scared, you can do this :)
[22:22] <Reffter> done
[22:22] <wxl> type in the following:
[22:22] <wxl> echo .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml | pastebinit
[22:23] <wxl> then copy and paste the url here
[22:23] <Reffter> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8227316/
[22:23] <Reffter> Oh, very nice
[22:23] <Reffter> your pro
[22:23] <Reffter> give me your email :3
[22:23] <wxl> aw crap
[22:23] <wxl> i told you the wrong thing
[22:23] <wxl> cat .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml | pastebinit
[22:23] <Reffter> '-'
[22:24] <Reffter> Lol?
[22:24] <wxl> yeah yeah :)
[22:24] <Reffter> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[22:24] <wxl> nope
[22:24] <Reffter> terminal send that
[22:24] <wxl> needs to have a number after it :)
[22:24] <wxl> basically replace "echo" with "cat"
[22:24] <Reffter> terminal send that
[22:24] <wxl> try again
[22:24] <Reffter> i did
[22:24] <Reffter> it send:
[22:25] <Reffter> Nop
[22:25] <Reffter> no number
[22:25] <Reffter> @Lubuntu:~$ cat .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml | pastebinit http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[22:25] <Reffter> weird
[22:25] <wxl> oh yeah don't add the http://paste.ubuntu.com at the end
[22:26] <Reffter> It send:
[22:26] <Reffter> http://paste.ubuntu.com
[22:26] <wxl> try running: cat .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[22:26] <Reffter> with no numbers
[22:26] <Reffter> that command opened the file in term
[22:26] <wxl> ok
[22:26] <wxl> then what the heck
[22:27] <wxl> i'm so confused
[22:27] <Reffter> i will send by pastebin
[22:27] <wxl> ok
[22:28] <Reffter> worked : http://pastebin.com/A9sYszWS
[22:29] <Reffter> Be fast please
[22:29] <Reffter> need to sleep
[22:29] <Reffter> 23:29 here
[22:29] <wxl> coming
[22:30] <wxl> so first make a copy of the file
[22:30] <wxl> as a backup
[22:30] <Reffter> done
[22:30] <wxl> then edit it so that line 384 is:    <keybind key="S">
[22:30] <wxl> save it
[22:31] <wxl> then get in the terminal and do: lxpanel restart
[22:31] <wxl> lxpanelctl restart
[22:31] <wxl> i mean
[22:32] <Reffter> restarted
[22:32] <wxl> oh shoot
[22:32] <Reffter> not working
[22:32] <wxl> you need to restart openbox
[22:32] <Reffter> ah
[22:32] <Reffter> command?
[22:32] <wxl> 1s
[22:33] <wxl> openbox --restart
[22:33] <Reffter> done
[22:33] <Reffter> not working
[22:33] <Reffter> :(
[22:33] <wxl> darn
[22:33] <Reffter> The "S" key from the alphabet iS doing that
[22:33] <Reffter> :O
[22:34] <nikin> hi. any tips to shorten my boot time? i disabled some services, put in an ssd and cut down grub timeout.
[22:34] <wxl> OH
[22:34] <Reffter> DHOW
[22:34] <Reffter> Wait nikin
[22:34] <wxl> here we go. try using "Super_L" instead of "S"
[22:34] <Reffter> k
[22:35] <Reffter> YEY!
[22:35] <Reffter> WORKING
[22:35] <Reffter> THANK YOU
[22:35] <wxl> :)
[22:35] <wxl> no problem
[22:35] <wxl> that one's not in the wiki so i'll make sure to add it later
[22:35] <Reffter> Only left works
[22:35] <Reffter> but i dont care
[22:35] <Reffter> only use left
[22:35] <Reffter> if i want to use right i put Super_R
[22:36] <Reffter> Yea, thx
[22:36] <Reffter> email me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:36] <Reffter> and say: hey, im wxl
[22:36] <Reffter> thx!
[22:36] <Reffter> need to go
[22:36] <wxl> yep
[22:36] <wxl> Reffter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:36] <Reffter> Oh
[22:37] <Reffter> You have official ubuntu
[22:37] <Reffter> cool
[22:37] <wxl> easier to remember :)
[22:37] <wxl> well, it's simply a recognition of volunteering
[22:37] <Reffter> can i have one to ? D:
[22:37] <wxl> which you can do too :)
[22:37] <wxl> yep!
[22:37] <wxl> you have to earn it :)
[22:37] <Reffter> i wanted :D
[22:37] <Reffter> nice
[22:37] <wxl> send me an email and we'll talk about how you can contribute
[22:37] <Reffter> i will talk to you tomorrow
[22:37] <Reffter> Portugal s2
[22:37] <Reffter> Pentium IV s2
[22:37] <Reffter> LUBUNTU !
[22:38]  * Reffter is going to sleep
[22:38]  * Reffter says : Bye!
[22:38] <Reffter> bye!
[22:38] <nikin> bye
[22:38] <Reffter> Going to send a email right now
[22:39] <wxl> ∿ Reffter
[22:39] <Reffter> bye
[22:39] <wxl> ↑ that's a wave
[22:41] <nikin> is it safe to remove update-notifier?
[22:42] <wxl> well you won't have any notifications nikin :)
[22:43] <nikin> wxl: i can live without them :) I already disabled it, but it stil starts up for some reason
[22:45] <nikin> it also remove update-manager and update-release-upgrader-gtk
[22:46] <nikin> but thats fine
[22:47] <nikin> thanks... good night


  Which kernel package should I get:  linux-source  or linux-source-2.6.15?
[11:04] <zedd_> sorry -  I meant Flight 6 is installed.
[11:31] <crimsun> zedd_: linux-source-2.6.15
[11:34] <zedd_> crimsun, I've got that, but when I copy /boot/config-2.6.15-20-amd64-generic to /usr/src/linux/.config and do 'make oldconfig', the compile breaks on a USB WLAN driver
[11:36] <crimsun> you enabled a/the usb wlan driver?
[11:37] <zedd_> no. I am just using the base config that dapper drake came with...
[11:37] <zedd_> for 2.6.15-20-amd64-generic
[11:40] <zedd_> i want to re-create the kernel that was installed


[08:43] <hramrach_> hello
[08:43] <hramrach_> what do I do if my system does not start?
[08:44] <hramrach_> /var/log/upstart is empty
[08:44] <hramrach_> getty is not spawned
[08:44] <hramrach_> ssh is not running
[08:44] <hramrach_> last processed event seems to be killing mountall-net
[09:06] <hramrach_> ok, installing sysvinit gives diagnostics
[09:06] <hramrach_> I have SYSFS_DEPRECATED or old kernel apparently
[09:30] <hramrach_> hmm, replaced kernel, sysvinit no longer complains, reinstalled upstart, still does not start system
[09:31] <hramrach_> no diagnostic, of course
[09:36] <hramrach_> ok, I guess I get back to sysvinit :s
[09:37] <hramrach_> btw is upstart sensitive to time skew? I have no hwclock. never observed issue with other clockless systems, though
[17:43] <tsaavik> hey all, upstart newb with dumb question. I just created my first job but I don't see it in description "munin-node"
[17:43] <tsaavik> author "Chuck Short<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:43]  * tsaavik fails at cut and paste
[17:43] <tsaavik> I don't see it in: initctl list
[17:51] <tsaavik> ah, I don't think it liked me doing env ipaddress=$(facter ipaddress) inside the pre-start script, shows up now
[17:51] <tsaavik> s/inside/outside
[17:57] <tsaavik> Is there a way to synatx and/or lint check an upstart job?


[21:15] <Guest85948> hello. could someone answer a question I have?
[21:17] <Guest85948> where can I find a description/manual of what all the groups in /etc/group/ are for?
[21:20] <Guest85948> specifically want to know if there's any benefits to adding a user to the "disk" group