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[04:05] <slangasek> xnox: so what's the deal with systemd/xenial/s390x failing every time in the past 2 days?
[05:55] <acheronuk> slangasek or anyone else; is it possible to get existing qtwebkit 5.9.1+dfsg-5ubuntu1 rebuilt against the new qtdeclarative 5.9.1-6ubuntu1 upload? even though there is a qtwebkit 5.212.0~alpha2-4 dep waiting in proposed against Qt 5.9.2?
[05:57] <acheronuk> the ABI bump in that qtdeclarative upload has left a lot of KDE/Qt build and test dependencies unsatisfiable
[05:59] <infinity> acheronuk: Yeah, I was looking at removing that 5.212.0 upload for other reasons.
[06:00] <infinity> acheronuk: But the real question is if 5.9.1 will build against icu95 (guessing not without patching, but we'll see)
[06:00] <infinity> s/95/59/
[06:01] <infinity> On the flipside, it seems I've just fixed one webkit variant for that, so what's three moe?
[06:05] <acheronuk> aha. if that can work, good. at the moment I can't even test build our most basic frameworks dependency, extra-cmake-modules :/
[06:06]  * infinity grabs a build log from 5.9.1+dfsg-5ubuntu2 to see why it failed.
[06:06] <infinity> Oh, FFS, it just failed due to symbols issues (likely relating to that ABI bump you were talking about).
[06:07] <infinity> If that's true on all 6 arches, I'll just pull in the symbols changes and reupload.
[06:08]  * acheronuk hopes so
[06:08] <infinity> Hrm.  Except it built against an old qtdeclarative, so that's not what caused the change.
[06:10] <infinity> God, I hate trying to decipher C++ symbols.
[06:30] <infinity> acheronuk: Kay, going to throw this at my staging PPA, and if it actually works, copy it over.
[06:30] <infinity> Confidence++
[06:31] <acheronuk> cool. hoping
[06:32] <infinity> s390x builds pretty quickly, so I'll know soonish.
[06:32] <infinity> Unless I fall asleep. :P
[06:39] <acheronuk> qttools5-dev-tools : Depends: libqt5webkit5 (>= 5.6.0~rc) but it is not going to be installed
[06:40] <acheronuk> libqt5webkit5 : Depends: qtdeclarative-abi-5-9-0
[06:40]  * acheronuk rolls eyes
[06:41] <infinity> Oh, FFS, it can't build?
[06:41] <infinity> The qtdeclarative upload seems to have been poorly thought out.
[06:42] <acheronuk> plus maybe a bit pointless as a Qt 5.9.2 transition is imminent
[06:42] <infinity> Yeah, I think I'll just delete this.
[06:42] <infinity> The 5.9.2 transition will overwrite it.
[06:43] <infinity> Alternately, it could be replaced with a version that provides both those virtual packages.
[06:44] <infinity> But it still needs to be deleted in order to build that new upload.
[06:44] <infinity> Because lol circular deps.
[06:44] <acheronuk> that circular dep issue is likely resolved with bootstrapping more Qt builds with 'nodoc' builds 1st, as will likely happen with the full transition
[06:45] <infinity> Probably.  Right now, I'm in no mood to have this random broken package holding up my ICU transition and the archive opening.
[06:45] <infinity> So deleted.
[06:45] <acheronuk> ok. thanks for sorting :)
[06:45] <infinity> s/archive opening/auto-sync enabling/
[06:46] <infinity> It should go poof from ftpmaster in half an hour or so.
[06:46]  * acheronuk goes to make more coffee (morning here)
[06:46] <infinity> Erm, and I should kill all these builds.
[06:46] <infinity> Before they get a dep on the wrong thing.
[06:52] <infinity> My local webkitgtk build is 2.5 hours in, which is 50 minutes longer than I've managed before, that must be a good sign.
[06:52] <infinity> Or it's a sign that my laptop is dying and going half as slow as it was this morning.
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[10:02] <infinity> slangasek: Deleting your postgresql-common from -proposed for now.  It sort of depends on a new psql.
[10:02] <infinity> slangasek: Which doesn't exist yet.
[10:03] <infinity> slangasek: Feel free to copy --force-same-destination over itself when it's actually sane to do so.
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[13:27] <teward> is Bionic open for uploads and such yet?
[13:27] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, ^^ ready to go (casablanca)
[13:39]  * LocutusOfBorg does some syncs before the world explodes
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[16:55] <slangasek> teward: yes: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2017-October/001231.html
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[19:36] <tsimonq2> infinity: Question with your AA hat on. Let's say package foo needs to go through NEW, but has some upstream copyright issues. If those were solved in upstream, but upstream won't tag for months if not years from now, is it acceptable to cherry pick the commit changing the license to one that can go in the archive, or do I have to use a whole Git snapshot?
[21:36] <jbicha> slangasek: (or anyone) please bump the flatpak badtest for ppc64el
[21:56] <infinity> tsimonq2: Copyright is very much about intent and will of the authors, so if they say the new license covers things retroactively (which is implied if they change the license without otherwise changing the content), cherry-pick away.
[21:57] <infinity> tsimonq2: If they "fix" the license by, say, removing problematic code/files, you'll need to repack to follow suit.
[21:57] <infinity> tsimonq2: I can't think of many situations where you'd need a whole new snapshot just to fix the license.
[22:02] <tsimonq2> infinity: No, they just do a license change to make it more permissive (no removing of files), so I'll cherry pick and go from there then.
[22:03] <tsimonq2> infinity: Thank you for the clarification.
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[23:23] <tsimonq2> infi/win 44
[23:23] <tsimonq2> Whoooooooops
[23:24]  * tsimonq2 plans on doing an LXQt transition immediately following the Qt transition, fwiw
[23:26]  * tsimonq2 also wonders how long it will take src:icu to migrate, but won't complain
[23:37] <infinity> tsimonq2: icu is tied up with netcdf, so any help you want to lend there won't go amiss.
[23:37] <infinity> tsimonq2: Also, I had to delete an upload of yours that made pretty much all things Qt uninstallible.
[23:38] <infinity> tsimonq2: qtdeclarative-opensource-src changed the provides, which broke all the rdeps.  Need to be a bit more careful on merges like that.
[23:38] <infinity> (But I imagine it all becomes moot with 5.9.2 anyway)
[23:46] <tsimonq2> infinity: Yes, Rik pinged me on Telegram this morning and I realized that the qtdeclarative upload was probably a bad idea.
[23:46] <tsimonq2> infinity: And you're right.
[23:47] <tsimonq2> infinity: I'll see what I can do to poke that, if there is anything I CAN do.
[23:51]  * tsimonq2 shakes head at src:blender
[23:51] <tsimonq2> "Build killed with signal TERM after 150 minutes of inactivity"


[01:35] <m_3> med_: right back at you... thanks man
[02:35] <med_> heh.
[02:45] <hazmat> SpamapS, i'm a fan of juju-tools
[11:48] <niemeyer> Good morning everybody
[11:54] <Tribaal> hi niemeyer
[11:54] <niemeyer> Tribaal: Heya
[13:32] <niemeyer> m_3: ping
[15:01] <vila> SpamapS: DNS lookup failed: address 'store.juju.ubuntu.com' not found , known bug ?
[15:46] <drussell> how far (if at all) are we along the road of having a decent api for juju?
[15:55] <SpamapS> vila: yes, you need to add '--repository path/where/your/charms/are local:charmname'
[15:55] <SpamapS> drussell: juju has a rich cli API that is very stable. :)
[15:55] <jcastro> hazmat: we're signed up for lisa and I am going to do the submission soonish; I'm going to go for a lightning talk, a talk talk, and a charm school. Do you want to do the talk talk?
[15:55] <jcastro> (I can do lightning, and we can both do the charm school perhaps?)
[15:55] <drussell> SpamapS: rubbish for automation tho ;o)
[15:56] <SpamapS> drussell: shell scripts are the oldest form of automation :)
[15:56] <drussell> SpamapS: hehehehe
[15:56] <drussell> SpamapS: are we looking to do anything extra? REST etc?
[15:57] <SpamapS> drussell: there's a strong desire to have a REST api yes.
[15:58] <drussell> SpamapS: so a strong desire, but it's quite a way off?
[15:59] <drussell> SpamapS: is there any kind of roadmap available?
[15:59] <SpamapS> drussell: resources are severely limited and dedicated to providing features necessary for production usage. REST is just a nice to have.
[15:59] <SpamapS> lol
[16:00] <drussell> SpamapS: "lol == no" then :o)
[16:00] <SpamapS> drussell: the link in the topic is a decent view of whats being worked on now
[16:01] <drussell> SpamapS: sure, have looked at the bug view, thanks
[16:01] <hazmat> jcastro, sounds good solo talk talk, duo school
[16:01] <jcastro> hazmat: ok you submit the talk and I'll submit the other 2. the important dates are here: http://www.usenix.org/event/lisa12/
[16:02] <jcastro> the deadline isn't until May but if we can do this by say end of next week at the latest we'll be good to go.
[16:06] <hazmat> jcastro, thanks
[16:17] <benji> drussell: my team is building a charm using Python scripts instead of bash and have the beginings of some thin (but helpful) wrappers around the juju commands
[16:28] <hazmat> benji, cool
[16:33] <koolhead17> hi all
[16:34] <_mup_> juju/rest-agent-api r404 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:34] <_mup_> notes on a rest api
[16:36] <hazmat> m_3, drussell fwiw, these where the notes/spec i came up with on a rest api http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~hazmat/juju/rest-agent-api/view/head:/juju/rapi/rest-api.txt
[16:40] <_mup_> Bug #925567 was filed: restarted unit agents do not restore relation presence nodes <juju:In Progress by fwereade> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/925567 >
[16:42] <koolhead17> https://juju.ubuntu.com/charms?action=edit&template=SlideTemplate  says you are not allowed to edit, is this place supposed to keep custom slides design
[16:43] <m_3> hazmat: awesome... looking now
[16:50] <m_3> hazmat: thanks for including the classic restful version of the api too
[16:52] <m_3> hazmat: I love the fact that the /commands part should make it pretty quick to get a web-based api working
[16:53] <hazmat> m_3, indeed, the cli api effectively encoded as rest, its pretty useful.. also it becomes the backing for the cli
[16:53] <hazmat> works well for automation
[16:54] <m_3> awesome
[17:09] <drussell> benji: thanks for the infoQ!
[17:09] <drussell> hazmat: nice! thanks for that, will take a look
[17:13] <SpamapS> koolhead17: we don't let everyone edit the wiki because it is raw HTML ...
[17:14] <koolhead17> SpamapS: yeah. so i was wondering are we planning to put custom slides template there?
[17:16] <koolhead17> i have to make slide for my talk so i thought i could you the custom one :P
[17:17] <hazmat> niemeyer, not working with ethernet?
[17:17] <niemeyer> hazmat: It hasn't disconnected, but the speed is _awful_
[17:17] <niemeyer> hazmat: Can't hear a single word
[17:17] <niemeyer> I'm trying to do some jujuing here
[17:17] <hazmat> niemeyer, hmm.. okay.. good luck
[17:33] <arosales> m_3: thanks for filling in and representing a MongoDB@Boulder, did you get some good interest?
[17:34] <m_3> yeah, great audience level-wise... asked great questions
[17:35] <m_3> make a plea for more mongo-charmers help to extend the charms we have
[17:35] <m_3> s/make/made/
[17:36] <arosales> m_3: cool, sounds like you wer able to get a MongoDB with replicaset up and running
[17:36] <m_3> yup... we had two environments going
[17:36] <m_3> one I set up ahead of time with a mongo replset (3 nodes) and a node.js app fronting that
[17:37] <arosales> nice
[17:37] <m_3> one I spun up from scratch right there
[17:37] <m_3> we ran out of time for the second one to come up completely
[17:38] <arosales> sounds like you had some good stuff to show.
[17:38] <m_3> yeah, I think it went over well
[17:40] <arosales> hopefully folks will be enticed to join the mongo-charmers
[17:41] <SpamapS> m_3: I was excited to charm MediaGoblin because it uses MongoDB .. but then they announced they're going to SQL ;)
[17:42] <m_3> maria though?
[17:45] <SpamapS> m_3: no, sql alchemy... so in theory, any sql
[17:45] <SpamapS> m_3: I believe they're targetting sqlite and pgsql
[19:12] <vila> SpamapS: oh, so 'local:' is to force juju to use --repo ?
[19:18] <SpamapS> vila: right
[19:19] <vila> SpamapS: How do I create a repo for precise ? Put it somehwere with a precise dir underneath and then one dir per charm ?
[19:20] <vila> SpamapS: Or is there a simpler way ? (I need the keystone charm and probably the other openstack related ones but keystone first)
[19:21] <SpamapS> vila: right thats how
[21:17] <hazmat> m_3, SpamapS an experiment in generating test plans
[21:17] <hazmat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/826934/
[21:17] <hazmat> that's just from the dependency set not from the providers per se
[21:17] <hazmat> there's some ambiguity in our dependency graphs that becomes apparent
[21:17] <hazmat> 'nova' satisified by nova-cloud-controller and nova-volume
[21:18] <hazmat> and swift-proxy not being distinguishable from swift-storage
[21:20] <hazmat> the nova one i think is a bug in the charms
[21:20] <hazmat> the swift-storage vs. swift-proxy distinction is little harder to make out, they both provide and require 'swift'
[21:37] <m_3> hazmat: cool man
[21:37] <hazmat> adam_g, ping.. was wondering if you could shed any light on the 'nova' protocol provided by both nova-volume and nova-cloud-compute
[21:38] <m_3> so that's just depth-first walking as best you can?
[21:38] <hazmat> m_3, its a bit more than that
[21:38] <hazmat> m_3, its doing a combination of every subgraph traversal
[21:38] <hazmat> so for any given dependency there might be multiple implementors
[21:39] <m_3> gotcha
[21:39] <hazmat> each plan represents one of those dependencies be satisified by a different participant, the number of plans gets bigger exponentially
[21:40] <hazmat> as the depth of the graph increases
[21:40] <hazmat> i'm thinking just solving each subgraph with one dfs traversal might suffice better
[21:40] <hazmat> to minimizing the plan set
[21:41] <hazmat> but that misses some of the benefits of discovering interface changes that break parts of the graph, or discovering broken plans due to metadata
[21:41] <hazmat> it seems like some of this breakage is because charms can use the relation name as a primary distinguisher so the author doesn't need to pay as much attention to the interface in some cases
[21:42] <hazmat> at least thats how i assume the nova-volume/nova-cloud-controller both ended up working using the same 'nova' interface
[21:44] <m_3> that's something we can start trying to catch in chrm reviews
[21:46] <adam_g> hazmat: do you mean the 'provides' in the metadata of those charms?
[21:46] <m_3> might be worth trying to match interface first, then do a rough substring match on relation-name to charm-name to disambiguate
[21:47] <m_3> instead of... what... alphanumer on the charm-name for interface impls?
[21:48] <hazmat> adam_g, yup
[21:48] <adam_g> hazmat: IIRC (could be totally wrong here), i cannot create a charm that provides nothing, and only requires. those are just null place holders.  nova-volume and compute dont provide any service from Juju's POV. once they have relations to the database and message queue, they extend the service offered to the user by nova-cloud-controller (that is, the cloud as a whole)
[21:49] <adam_g> if thats not the case, i can remove the 'provides' section of the metadata
[21:49] <hazmat> you can provide a charm which provides nothing, but thats not the point i was trying to illustrate, effectively nova-cloud-controller has an optional dependency on a 'nova-volume' protocol and a 'nova-compute' protocol
[21:49] <hazmat> they plugin different into nova
[21:49] <hazmat> their distinct protocols and dependencies that can be solved
[21:49] <hazmat> one can't substitute for the other
[21:50] <hazmat> adam_g, you still want a provides for the nova-volume and nova-compute charms to model their relation with nova-cloud-controller
[21:50] <hazmat> just that its distinct for each
[21:51] <hazmat> right now its got nova-cloud-controller providing 'nova', with nova-compute depending on it, and nova-volume also providing it.. it sounds like you want both -compute and -volume to plugin as optional dependencies into -cloud-controller
[21:52] <hazmat> which would look more like cloud-controller depending on 'nova-volume' provided by 'nova-volume' and also depending on 'nova-compute' provided by 'nova-compute'.
[21:54] <adam_g> hazmat: this is for sake of modelling the over all relationship between charms, or the actual services? there is never a direct service relationship between nova-volume and nova-cloud-controller
[21:54] <adam_g> that is, never 'juju add-relation nova-volume:foo nova-cloud-controller:foo'
[21:59] <hazmat> adam_g, just trying to establish the posssible relations for a service
[22:00] <hazmat> adam_g, right now nova-compute for example depends on 'nova' which is satisifed by 'nova-cloud-controller' and 'nova-volume' which is a bit suspicious
[22:00] <hazmat> adam_g, actually more succintly said.. trying to establish the dependencies for a charm, ie what's required to deploy nova-compute for example
[22:04] <adam_g> hazmat: so, if i follow, charms should describe the service they are providing: nova-cloud-controller provides 'nova', and charms that require 'nova' (even if there is no direct relationship between the units) should list this as an option requires?
[22:04] <adam_g> *optional
[22:05] <adam_g> i'll admit i wasn't giving the provides field much thought in the nova charms because it seemed to not make a difference, but if that needs to be fixed to accomdate external charm tools, ill gladly fix
[22:05] <hazmat> adam_g, yup, the problem arises in that nova-volume also provides 'nova' when really what it and nova-cloud-controller are providing are distinct, thanks
[22:06] <hazmat> even without the external tools, the declaration defines the possibility, a human could add those two together, even though that was not the intent, and get something not working, because the charm expectation was different.
[22:13] <adam_g> hazmat: so, would it be better if: cloud-controller provides cloud-controller:nova and (optionally) requires cloud-compute:nova-compute and instance-storage:nova-volume.  -volume + -compute both require cloud-controller:nova
[22:13] <adam_g> ?
[22:17] <hazmat> adam_g, that works
[22:17] <hazmat> hmm
[22:18] <hazmat> yup that works, the cycle is fine
[22:18] <adam_g> cool, running out to lunch. i'll update after
[23:34] <koolhead17> hi all
[23:40] <m_3> koolhead17: hey.. good to see you back at 17 :)
[23:40] <koolhead17> m_3: hehe :)
[23:41] <koolhead17> m_3: was going through log of juju session. it was great
[23:41] <koolhead17> though am scared of mongo/node.js
[23:41] <koolhead17> hifi stuff :P
[23:45] <m_3> koolhead17: thanks
[23:45] <koolhead17> okey i might be stupid to ask this but do we assume every user adding a repo via add-apt-repository would be knowing that he needs deps python-software-properties ?
[23:45] <koolhead17>
[23:46] <m_3> the IRC talks are a hard format... it's important to be able to show examples, but ajaxterm (juju-classroom charm) isn't ideal
[23:47] <koolhead17> m_3: hmm. i would stick to wordpress :P
[23:48] <m_3> ha!
[23:48] <m_3> right
[23:51] <SpamapS> koolhead17: all cloud images have python-software-properties since 10.10
[23:52] <SpamapS> m_3: I still want to make our infinite-scaling ajaxterm :)
[23:52] <m_3> SpamapS: yeah, that thought crossed my mind yesterday :)
[23:52] <koolhead17> SpamapS: i was going to bootstrap my JUJU instance from my oneiric box :D
[23:54] <m_3> SpamapS: it really would be a great set of charms... separating the "business logic" from the scalable presentation layer
[23:57]  * koolhead17 is trying to run JUJU on AWS for the first time :)
[23:58] <m_3> koolhead17: awesome
[23:58] <koolhead17> SpamapS: thanks. Access Key ID == access key and Secret Access Key == secret key
[23:58] <koolhead17> m_3: to be honest am using this whole magic AWS infra for first time :PO


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[03:16] <crimsun> that seems a bit odd.
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[14:55] <tsimonq2> o/
[14:56] <sil2100> o/
[14:58] <rbasak> o/
[15:00] <ddstreet> o/
[15:00]  * ddstreet coffee while others arrive
[15:01] <sil2100> I see we don't have any applicants today, right? Though the list of action items seems to be quite big
[15:03] <rbasak> AFAICS yes
[15:04] <ddstreet> if rafaeldtinoco chairing today?
[15:04] <ddstreet> s/if/is
[15:04] <rafaeldtinoco> am I ?
[15:04] <rafaeldtinoco> no applicants
[15:04] <rafaeldtinoco> o/
[15:04] <ddstreet> no, just the action items to review
[15:05] <rafaeldtinoco> can someone chair ? we have a concurrent
[15:05] <rafaeldtinoco> meeting happening
[15:06] <ddstreet> rbasak you're next on the chairing list, but i assume you are also in that concurrent mtg
[15:06] <ddstreet> so i can chair as i'm next in the list
[15:06] <rafaeldtinoco> alright, Ill get the next one
[15:06] <rafaeldtinoco> thanks dan
[15:07] <rbasak> Thanks
[15:07] <ddstreet> ok let me bring up the bot instructions then, one sec
[15:08] <ddstreet> #startmeeting DMB meeting
[15:08] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jun  1 15:08:08 2020 UTC.  The chair is ddstreet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:08] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:08] <ddstreet> #chair ddstreet
[15:08] <meetingology> Current chairs: ddstreet
[15:09] <ddstreet> #topic Review of previous action items
[15:09] <ddstreet> tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know (carried over)
[15:09] <rbasak> teward: around?
[15:09] <ddstreet> i assume this continues to be carried over?  we could change it to (will be carried until mentioned) if so
[15:10] <teward> hey headbashing atm
[15:10] <teward> here but i am playing catchup on 2 things
[15:10] <teward> :)
[15:11] <ddstreet> tsimonq2 should we carry that item over until mentioned in a future mtg?
[15:12] <tsimonq2> ddstreet: Sure.
[15:12] <ddstreet> ack thnx
[15:12] <tsimonq2> Before that happens...
[15:12] <ddstreet> #action tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know (will be carried until mentioned)
[15:12] <meetingology> ACTION: tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know (will be carried until mentioned)
[15:12] <tsimonq2> I'd like to mention I have something started.
[15:12] <ddstreet> ah ok sorry
[15:12] <tsimonq2> There are some Lubuntuisms in there, but it's the base for what I'm going to write.
[15:12] <tsimonq2> It's all good, it's not fully done yet.
[15:13] <tsimonq2> https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/lubuntu-dev/
[15:13] <tsimonq2> That's actually based off of the Kubuntu Developers page.
[15:14] <tsimonq2> Anyway, I thought I'd mention it. We can move on from her.e
[15:15] <ddstreet> thanks, looks good!
[15:15] <ddstreet> ok next item
[15:15] <ddstreet> teward follow up on packageset owning team for ubuntu-mate (carried over)
[15:15] <teward> still haven't had a chance to, anyone else on the DMB want to take it?
[15:16] <teward> (one of the billion things that I think I handed to ddstreet I thought)
[15:16] <ddstreet> yep i can take this, unless anyone else wants to grab it
[15:16] <ddstreet> #action ddstreet follow up on packageset owning team for ubuntu-mate (carried over)
[15:16] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet follow up on packageset owning team for ubuntu-mate (carried over)
[15:16] <teward> (FWIW: lots of IT Security issues in my main job so that has hampered my efforts on things)
[15:17] <ddstreet> rafaeldtinoco i'm going to defer your items until the end of the list if that's ok with you, try to keep actions grouped by owner
[15:17] <rafaeldtinoco> es
[15:17] <rafaeldtinoco> its a good practice
[15:17] <ddstreet> teward to handle PPU rights of tux{math,paint,type},x11vnc for alkisg ahead of edubuntu packageset removal in the future
[15:17] <ddstreet> teward i looked at this a bit, i don't think it's done yet right?
[15:18] <sil2100> If someone has any action items that they'd like to pass to someone else, feel free to assign me then
[15:18] <teward> no it's not, I think we need to JFDI.
[15:18] <ddstreet> my main q was if we are dropping edubuntu just for groovy and later, or for focal and earlier too?
[15:18] <teward> ddstreet: i think that was a separate discussion
[15:18] <teward> because that task was specifically getting the PPU rights applied
[15:18] <teward> we have yet to have a full discussion over the edubuntu packageset removal
[15:18] <ddstreet> ok so just to be safe we should ask for PPU rights for all releases for him then
[15:18] <teward> correct.
[15:18] <ddstreet> ack, i can do this, i was already looking at it earlier today
[15:19] <ddstreet> #action ddstreet to handle PPU rights of tux{math,paint,type},x11vnc for alkisg ahead of edubuntu packageset removal in the future
[15:19] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet to handle PPU rights of tux{math,paint,type},x11vnc for alkisg ahead of edubuntu packageset removal in the future
[15:19] <ddstreet> teward to apply permissions changes for oSoMoN to mozilla packageset and send out announcement (rolled over)
[15:19] <ddstreet> teward this is done, just needs the announcement sent out; i can do that
[15:19] <teward> yep
[15:20] <ddstreet> #action ddstreet send out announcement for oSoMoN addition to mozilla packageset (rolled over)
[15:20] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet send out announcement for oSoMoN addition to mozilla packageset (rolled over)
[15:20] <ddstreet> teward to handle Erich Eickmeyer permissions changes for access to Ubuntu Studio packageset and send out announcement (half-done, rolled over)
[15:20] <ddstreet> this is done
[15:20] <ddstreet> sil2100 to add kanashiro coredev permissions and send announcement
[15:20] <ddstreet> i think you did that right sil2100?
[15:20] <sil2100> Yes, this is done
[15:21] <ddstreet> ok we're on to rafaeldtinoco items :)
[15:21] <ddstreet> rafaeldtinoco to follow up with TB / packageset tooling on ubuntu-studio-uploaders being added to ubuntustudio packageset for upload rights (carried over)
[15:21] <tsimonq2> I did process some minor packageset additions for Erich over the past few weeks.
[15:21] <tsimonq2> calamares-settings-ubuntu comes to mind. ;)
[15:21] <rafaeldtinoco> ddstreet: Ill have PTO on wednesday and will work all my items during my PTO basically.
[15:21] <rafaeldtinoco> so the gnome-shell item was discussed broadly
[15:22] <rafaeldtinoco> in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-May/001501.html
[15:22] <rafaeldtinoco> and Im considering to be together with "refresh packagesets"
[15:23] <rafaeldtinoco> and, like tsimonq2 said, we are doing all packageset changes additions/removals by hand here and ther
[15:23] <rafaeldtinoco> but we still need the full refresh
[15:23] <ddstreet> so should we carry over all items for you then?
[15:23] <rafaeldtinoco> nope
[15:23] <ddstreet> or are some already done, by hand
[15:23] <rafaeldtinoco> there were 2 you did
[15:23] <ddstreet> i did? ;-)
[15:23] <rafaeldtinoco> yaru-theme
[15:23] <rafaeldtinoco> and fprintf
[15:23] <rafaeldtinoco> for ubuntu-desktop
[15:23] <rafaeldtinoco> didnt u ?
[15:24] <rafaeldtinoco> i mean, like gnome-shell, they are connected as well
[15:24] <rafaeldtinoco> from Laney "I know this isn't finalised yet. It works for the yaru-theme case, but
[15:24] <rafaeldtinoco> there are also some others which are IMO still incorrect, like mozjs68."
[15:24] <ddstreet> i dont think i did, but let me put the action on me to check that, maybe i did
[15:24] <rafaeldtinoco> nope you replied to the thread
[15:24] <rafaeldtinoco> and there is some work from Iain
[15:25] <rafaeldtinoco> ddstreet: carry all my items over please
[15:25] <ddstreet> right i replied basically saying i don't understand what the desktop packageset split is intended to do
[15:25] <rafaeldtinoco> i think they will all be sorted
[15:25] <ddstreet> ok
[15:25] <rafaeldtinoco> with me catching up with what Iain did
[15:25] <rafaeldtinoco> and updating all packagesets
[15:25] <rafaeldtinoco> this will be done by next meeting
[15:25] <ddstreet> #action rafaeldtinoco to follow up with TB / packageset tooling on ubuntu-studio-uploaders being added to ubuntustudio packageset for upload rights (carried over)
[15:25] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to follow up with TB / packageset tooling on ubuntu-studio-uploaders being added to ubuntustudio packageset for upload rights (carried over)
[15:25] <ddstreet> #action rafaeldtinoco to handle request "Adding lubuntu-update-notifier to the Lubuntu package set" (carried over)
[15:25] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to handle request "Adding lubuntu-update-notifier to the Lubuntu package set" (carried over)
[15:25] <ddstreet> #action rafaeldtinoco to complete documentation on existing packageset tooling, and discuss the current (large) delta in the packagesets that need adjusted (rolled over)
[15:25] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to complete documentation on existing packageset tooling, and discuss the current (large) delta in the packagesets that need adjusted (rolled over)
[15:26] <ddstreet> #action rafaeldtinoco to handle getting gnome-shell into ubuntu desktop exceptions list
[15:26] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to handle getting gnome-shell into ubuntu desktop exceptions list
[15:26] <ddstreet> #action rafaeldtinoco to handle "Refresh the packagesets" mailing list item (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001486.html)
[15:26] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to handle "Refresh the packagesets" mailing list item (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001486.html)
[15:26] <ddstreet> #action rafaeldtinoco to look into mailing list item "Including yaru-theme in the ubuntu-desktop set" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001487.html)
[15:26] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to look into mailing list item "Including yaru-theme in the ubuntu-desktop set" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001487.html)
[15:26] <ddstreet> #action rafaeldtinoco to look into mailing list item "Include fprint packages in the ubuntu-desktop set" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001488.html)
[15:26] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to look into mailing list item "Include fprint packages in the ubuntu-desktop set" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001488.html)
[15:26] <ddstreet> ok and rafaeldtinoco if i can help with anything do let me know
[15:26] <sil2100> Same
[15:26] <rafaeldtinoco> tks
[15:27] <rafaeldtinoco> i think Ill got it all cleared up
[15:27] <rafaeldtinoco> PTO is for that, isnt it ?
[15:27] <ddstreet> lol only if you're doing it at the beach :)
[15:27] <rafaeldtinoco> sgtm
[15:27] <ddstreet> ok that's all the previous action items, no applications on the agenda for today
[15:28] <ddstreet> 2 mailing list items i think
[15:28] <ddstreet> Packages to Remove from ubuntustudio packageset (Erich Eickmeyer) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-May/001497.html
[15:28] <rafaeldtinoco> they are related
[15:28] <rafaeldtinoco> to all my actions
[15:28] <ddstreet> yep unfortunately i think you're getting this one too :)
[15:28] <rafaeldtinoco> cleaning up for ubuntustudio
[15:28] <ddstreet> but it should come 'for free' with the tooling updates
[15:29] <rafaeldtinoco> and packageset exceptions <- this feature is *needed* to make sure we can cover it all
[15:29] <ddstreet> #action rafaeldtinoco to handle "Packages to Remove from ubuntustudio packageset" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-May/001497.html)
[15:29] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to handle "Packages to Remove from ubuntustudio packageset" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-May/001497.html)
[15:29] <rafaeldtinoco> #)
[15:29] <ddstreet> rafaeldtinoco unfortunately i think the next one is yours too, iain's email
[15:30] <ddstreet> Applying packageset exceptions transitively (Iain Lane)
[15:30] <rafaeldtinoco> yep
[15:30] <rafaeldtinoco> its the exception to solve the gnome-shell case
[15:30] <Laney> The core split is basically the expansion of the desktop-common platform seed
[15:30] <Laney> sorry, I got highlighted :-)
[15:30] <rafaeldtinoco> that was the idea =)
[15:30] <rafaeldtinoco> and thanks for the packegeset scripts updates
[15:30] <ddstreet> #action rafaeldtinoco to handle "Applying packageset exceptions transitively" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-May/001501.html)
[15:30] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to handle "Applying packageset exceptions transitively" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-May/001501.html)
[15:30] <rafaeldtinoco> ill get into it this week
[15:30] <Laney> right, ok
[15:31] <ddstreet> ah oops, i forgot to change topic
[15:31] <ddstreet> #topic AOB
[15:31] <Laney> I think it's risky updating thoes sets manually, because then the next time you go to run the script things will drop out 'mysteriously'
[15:31] <rafaeldtinoco> Laney: ill mark all requests in the last months
[15:31] <rafaeldtinoco> and verify one by one
[15:31] <Laney> it should at least be paired with adding exceptions
[15:31] <rafaeldtinoco> Laney: yep
[15:32] <Laney> well, actually, you'd expect that normally just re-running the script would get new seeded stuff
[15:32] <Laney> ok, i'll stop talking now
[15:32] <Laney> :p
[15:32] <rafaeldtinoco> Laney: can I ping you
[15:32] <rafaeldtinoco> after I sort out your changes ?
[15:32] <rafaeldtinoco> #)
[15:33] <ddstreet> ok any other business to discuss?
[15:33] <ddstreet> or did i miss anything?
[15:33] <ddstreet> i think we're done then, in 5...
[15:33] <ddstreet> 4
[15:33] <rafaeldtinoco> i think youve missed
[15:33] <rafaeldtinoco> a few topic changes
[15:33] <rafaeldtinoco> #)
[15:33] <ddstreet> lol yes i did :)
[15:34] <rafaeldtinoco> like select chair for next meeting
[15:34] <ddstreet> ah ok
[15:34] <ddstreet> #topic Chair and Time for Next Meeting
[15:34] <rafaeldtinoco> ill be the next chair, then robie
[15:34] <ddstreet> next mtg is Monday 2020-06-15 19:00 UTC
[15:34] <rafaeldtinoco> perhaps dan can go to the end of the line
[15:34] <sil2100> I think I also haven't chaired for a while
[15:34] <ddstreet> sounds good, i'll move myself down
[15:35] <sil2100> Probably missed those meetings on which I was to chair
[15:35] <ddstreet> ok anythign else i missed?
[15:35] <sil2100> So if anyone feels like they'd like a break, feel free to select me as the chair
[15:35] <rafaeldtinoco> thats ok
[15:35] <rafaeldtinoco> next meeting I have so many items
[15:35] <rafaeldtinoco> being the chair will make things quicker
[15:35] <rafaeldtinoco> #)
[15:35] <rafaeldtinoco> ddstreet: thanks for being the chair today
[15:35] <rafaeldtinoco> nothing else
[15:35] <sil2100> ;)
[15:36] <sil2100> Nothing here
[15:36] <ddstreet> np, ok ending in 3...
[15:36] <ddstreet> 2
[15:36] <ddstreet> 1
[15:36] <ddstreet> #endmeeting
[15:36] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jun  1 15:36:10 2020 UTC.
[15:36] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-06-01-15.08.moin.txt
[15:36] <sil2100> o/
[15:36] <ddstreet> thanks all o/
[15:36] <rafaeldtinoco> o/ cheers!
[15:39] <rafaeldtinoco> ddstreet: are i updating agenda ?
[15:39] <rafaeldtinoco> are i / are u
[15:40] <ddstreet> rafaeldtinoco i got it, i figure the chair should update it
[15:40] <rafaeldtinoco> yep, i think so
[15:40] <rafaeldtinoco> ok then. tks


[06:28] <Cuddly_Cat> Well hello there, fellow Ubuntu users!
[06:28] <jea> Hi
[06:28] <Cuddly_Cat> Hello1
[06:29] <Cuddly_Cat> How do you use ubuntu (are you even using it right now)
[06:29] <jea> I do use ubuntu, but not right this minute due to being at work
[06:30] <Cuddly_Cat> o rly? I am VirtualBox-ing a copy of Kubuntu ( a fork of Ubuntu ) on my windows pc, I used the original UBUNTU last year (12.04LTS) and loved it!
[06:31] <jea> great!
[06:32] <Cuddly_Cat> yeah, i know right! What OS r u using right now, Mac/Windows/some other type of Linux?
[06:32] <Cuddly_Cat> I'm thinking of becoming a teacher at school
[06:32] <Cuddly_Cat> and probably giving the students
[06:33] <Cuddly_Cat> a copy of ubuntu for there usb sticks (well--Edubuntu, as that's designed for  school!)
[06:33] <jea> I am using Mac at the moment
[06:33] <jea> Edubuntu is alright if it is up to date, otherwise i would just go with standard ubuntu
[06:34] <Cuddly_Cat> really? what about Kubuntu, is that good?
[06:34] <jea> it is fine, just using KDE instead of Unity
[06:34] <Cuddly_Cat> at least
[06:34] <jea> just depends on what you like
[06:35] <Cuddly_Cat>  yeah, unity looks nice but kde is using the taskar/start menu, so i'll probably use Kubuntu alongside Windows
[06:35] <Cuddly_Cat> that is, my broken windows computer if i get it working
[06:35] <jea> it is somewhat closer to windows look and feel
[06:36] <Cuddly_Cat> yeah, and it's visual style is like Mac OS X
[06:36] <Cuddly_Cat> right?
[06:36] <jea> um, could be. i haven't used KDE for several years
[06:36] <Cuddly_Cat> *blown away* SERIOUS?!
[06:36] <jea> I use straight ubuntu with unity, because that what I like best
[06:37] <Cuddly_Cat> oh dang my vbox froze-->_<
[06:37] <Cuddly_Cat> Hello benonsoftware
[06:40] <benonsoftware> Hiya Cuddly_Cat


[15:13] <thafreak> Morning Ohio
[15:13] <paultag> morning
[15:14] <thafreak> Some one wants to go to the akron meeting?
[15:14] <thafreak> I haven't been there in months
[15:14] <paultag> thafreak: you should consider removing it from teh calendar
[15:14] <paultag> otherwise someone might, well, go
[15:16] <thafreak> i wasn't sure if anyone went
[15:16] <thafreak> the few times I went i only ever saw I think 2 people...not at the same time mind you
[15:16] <thafreak> one was the guy who started it, and put it on the calnedar, and the other, I forget his name
[15:17] <thafreak> but I think he shows up on irc sometimes...i could be wrong though
[15:17] <thafreak> paultag: I'd probably remove it, but I don't think I'm allowed to
[15:18] <thafreak> I don't think I'm officially a reloco lead
[15:18] <thafreak> only thing I think I can actually do, is approve mailling list requests
[15:18] <paultag> oh
[15:18] <paultag> well alright
[15:21] <thafreak> wow, that's why I don't bother to read the forums...only two new threads this year so far :)
[15:22] <paultag> such a shame
[15:22] <thafreak> So, I need to brag
[15:22] <thafreak> I pulled a total macguyver setup last night
[15:22] <paultag> o'rly?
[15:23] <thafreak> using ssh as my ducttape
[15:23] <paultag> oh lordy
[15:23] <thafreak> wife brought a machine home for me to add an account to for work
[15:23] <thafreak> but I have them setup using samba as an NT4 domain
[15:23] <thafreak> so I can't really do much with the machine at my house
[15:23] <thafreak> but it was snowing and i didn't feel like driving
[15:23] <thafreak> SO
[15:24] <thafreak> I used ssh's tun/tap support and set up an adhoc vpn to the remote office
[15:24] <thafreak> which I tunneld over an ssh tunnel
[15:25] <thafreak> then, i plugged a usb ethernet adapter into the laptop, and bridged that adapter with the tap device
[15:25] <thafreak> connected a crossover cable from the usb adapter, to the workstation I needed to work on
[15:25] <thafreak> and eventually, I got it to get a dhcp address from the remote office
[15:25] <thafreak> logged into their domain, could mount samba shares, the whole 9
[15:26] <thafreak> If I get around to it, I may even make a blog post about it...
[15:26] <paultag> :)
[15:26] <thafreak> i usually use openvpn to do similar things, but didn't feel like setting up anything permanent
[15:27] <thafreak> first time I tried the tun/tap tunnelling in ssh too...worked quite well
[15:27] <thafreak> Might even just use that from now on on my laptop instead of setting up openvpn to my house
[15:29] <thafreak> Even cooler, I can setup VM's on my vm server, who's network adapter is bridged over the vpn to my client's network
[15:29] <thafreak> so my vm will think it's on their network
[16:24]  * canthus13 needs to figure out openvpn.


[00:30] <sean_> hello
[00:38] <Riyonuk>  Where can I get the ubuntu "My Computer" icon?
[12:05] <ubuntulover> OOoohh... So, here is the ancient Ubuntu Art-lounge.
[12:05] <ubuntulover> Hello, Ubuntu-Arting-Gods!
[12:05] <ubuntulover> (:
[12:08] <ubuntulover> Can we - users - hope that 8.04 will have friendly interface, without striking eyes and windows 2000-looks?
[12:08] <ubuntulover> *without striking eyes COLORS
[12:21] <ubuntulover> Hey! Guys, r u here?
[12:21] <ubuntulover> Is it shows how Ubuntu 8.04 will looks like??? http://vdepizzol.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/ubuntu-hardy1.jpg
[13:36] <kwwii> howdy
[13:37] <_MMA_> :P
[13:49] <JanC> does anybody know who this is from: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Fela_Kuti and/or which license is used for Artwork on the wiki?
[13:52] <JanC> people are discussing a T-shirt design for the ubuntu-nl hardy release party, and some people have used the heron in their design proposals, but we (at least I) want to be sure that's allowed...
[13:56] <JanC> hm, I guess AshCogs = https://launchpad.net/~cogneato ?
[14:14] <kwwii> JanC: yes, apparently so
[14:14] <kwwii> JanC: if you contact the author let me know, I was thinking about discussing putting it in as wallpaper sometime next week
[14:16] <JanC> the author of the T-shirt design will probably mail him (I pointed him to that launchpad page)
[14:28] <kwwii> JanC: cool
[14:28] <kwwii> there is another person who makes paintings/drawings of the mascot each release on deviantart
[14:29] <JanC> for makign a package, you would have to ask him for a proper license and not just permission, I guess  ;)
[14:49] <kwwii> JanC: right...also I would ask for it to be tweaked a bit, etc.
[14:51] <JanC> kwwii: he seemed to be fine with changes, from what I read
[14:52] <JanC> but packages need a specific license...
[14:56] <kwwii> right
[16:37] <thorwil> so now the next meeting thread is about docks and dumping or not dumping files on the desktop
[21:38] <pr> where can I find the latest mockup of the artwork on Hardy? (I can't find it in the wiki)
[21:46] <mhb> kwwii: hi
[23:10] <Skiessl> http://skiessi.googlepages.com/titlebar.png I made something, you can keep it
[23:38] <kwwii> hi mhb
[23:40] <mhb> kwwii: wow, I wouldn't expect you to reply so late at night
[23:41] <kwwii> I just came back from band practice ;-)
[23:41] <mhb> aah
[23:42] <mhb> kwwii: I like the idea of having special icons for the panel
[23:42] <mhb> kwwii: but the update icon is not really that clear to me
[23:43] <mhb> to me, it's an arrow pointing to an explosion
[23:43] <mhb> which doesn't make much sense to me.
[23:43] <kwwii> mhb: yeah, that icon is a long way from good
[23:44] <mhb> kwwii: I've been thinking about a nice update icon for some time now, I've pondered a circle-of-friends like symbol merged with the "update" arrows - http://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=update3sk1.png like this
[23:45] <mhb> because the icon should say both "update" and "desktop"
[23:45] <kwwii> one thing about the new icons though is that they do not use several colors
[23:45] <mhb> yeah
[23:45] <mhb> I know.
[23:45] <kwwii> but the idea is interesting
[23:46] <mhb> I wanted to ask you
[23:46] <kwwii> although i would worry about it getting mixed up with the real logo
[23:46] <mhb> what's the easiest way of merging say the "arrow" part with the kubuntu official logo, which is several layers deep
[23:46] <mhb> ?
[23:46] <mhb> is there an easy way to do this, without playing with nodes for several hours?
[23:47] <kwwii> just select both pieces and then, in the path menu in inkscape choose union
[23:47] <kwwii> just do that to each piece again and again
[23:48] <mhb> I guess I'll try to play with the 2D version, too
[23:49] <mhb> thanks
[23:49] <kwwii> np


[00:11] <Schlabby> what are the file permissions for .ssh and authorized_keys, matthewmpp?
[00:13] <Schlabby> $ ls -ld .ssh
[00:13] <Schlabby> drwx------ 2 username username 4096 2009-04-03 21:03 .ssh
[00:14] <Schlabby> $ ls -l authorized_keys
[00:14] <Schlabby> -rw------- 1 username username1687 2009-02-16 14:54 authorized_keys
[00:19] <nick_schembri> matthewmpp: look in authorized_keys the key should start may have been added to the end of another key
[00:22] <nick_schembri> matthewmpp: my auth file is 644, rw.r.r
[00:23] <diffra> yeah, security on authorized_keys i don't think is terribly important, since it's just a hash.
[00:27] <Schlabby> tested a chmod 777 on .ssh/ =>  Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for directory
[00:31] <nick_schembri> Schlabby: im on a slow connection the man page talks about setting the mode
[00:31] <Schlabby> ah.. I'm using StrictModes yes everywhere ;-)
[00:32] <diffra> *shrug* schlabby, you should have specific permissions on .ssh and it's subfiles
[00:32] <diffra> the slicehost article explains it in perfect detail
[00:32] <diffra> ... that *shrug* was meant for another channel.  sry.
[00:33] <pschulz01> Morning all
[00:33] <nick_schembri> Schlabby: so do i. you want strictmodes
[00:33] <nick_schembri> bye
[00:35] <Schlabby> yes i know. i do have them. i tried to point matthewmpp in the direction to check his permissions
[00:35] <diffra> pschulz01: I'm curious, morning where?
[00:40] <pschulz01> diffra: Adelaide, Australia
[00:40] <pschulz01> .. and it looks like to moon is still in one piece.
[00:41] <ajmitch> pschulz01: I'd hope so
[00:42] <pschulz01> ajmitch: I was watching (beautiful clear skys) but saw nothing..
[00:42] <ajmitch> pschulz01: Maybe someone stole it
[00:45] <diffra> pschulz01: cool!  it's a cloudy afternoon here in kauai.
[00:53] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: ping
[00:54] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, heya
[00:54] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: what's up? :)
[00:54] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, sorry about today.. i've been pretty much in and out all day :)
[00:54] <ivoks> no problem
[00:54] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, and nothing much.. getting ready to travel this weekend
[00:54] <ivoks> i just wanted to give you a info...
[00:55] <ivoks> i packaged latest corosync and openais
[00:55] <ivoks> in next couple of days i'll package heartbeat and pacemaker
[00:55] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok, I also have openais from the debian maintainer built on the PPA
[00:55] <ajmitch> yay for duplication! :)
[00:55] <ivoks> openais in debian is old
[00:56] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, 0.96 ?
[00:56] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: how did you build it without corosync?
[00:56] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, this is the list of packages that the Debian maintainer is working with: http://people.debian.org/~madkiss/ha/dists/sid/main/source/
[00:56] <ivoks> oh, there's corosync :)
[00:56] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, i ment, openais-legacy
[00:57] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, yeah but it's missing the source file.. I'm gonna ask for it tomorrow to upload it to the PPA
[00:57] <ivoks> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ivoks/+archive/ppa
[00:57] <ajmitch> there's corosync as a .dsc & diff.gz, but not an orig.tar.gz in there, which hopefully is the same as upstream
[00:57] <ajmitch> RoAkSoAx: try & rename the upstream tarball & use it as the orig.tar.gz then
[00:58] <ivoks> there's no point in duplicating the work :)
[00:58] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, i've been talking with madkiss, since he is working on those packages, and he told me that it's just a matter of time to get heartbeat on unstable.. and that pacemaker has the state as new and should be hitting experimental really soon
[00:58] <ivoks> i'll check out debian packages
[00:58] <RoAkSoAx> ajmitch, yep. i'll try that :)
[00:59] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: did you offer help with packaging and testing?
[00:59] <ivoks> lol, it's ftbs again
[01:00] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, I already have most of the packages from debian here: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ha/+archive/ppa , we njust need openais and corosync, but since the corosync .tar.gz is not there, openais would not build.
[01:00] <ivoks> argh... groff
[01:00] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, what FTBS is pacemaker-mgmt-* which are alpha packages
[01:00] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, I offer help testing the packages and I already discovered a couple of bugs, one was in heartbeat and it's already fixed
[01:01] <ivoks> ok
[01:01] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, and madkiss told me that he was going to work tomorrow on the pacemaker-mgmt-*
[01:01] <ivoks> i'll upload openais and corosync then
[01:01] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok cool :)
[01:01] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, do It to the ubuntu-ha PPA
[01:01] <ivoks> 3 hours... wasted... for nothing :)
[01:02] <ivoks> and that's from 11PM to 2AM
[01:02] <ivoks> grrr
[01:02] <ewook> ivoks: I sense some, similarities in our nicks :p
[01:02] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, hahahah here's my dput entry for the ubuntu-ha PPA: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/193085/
[01:02] <ivoks> ewook: yes, you are a copycat :)
[01:03] <ewook> ivoks: *_* Am Just Special!
[01:03] <ewook> oops. forgot the I
[01:05] <mathiaz> hi ivoks !
[01:05] <ivoks> mathiaz: hi
[01:05] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, btw... we also need test cases on implementing sample clusters and after that I'll do a blog post calling for help :=)
[01:05] <ewook> clusters of what?
[01:05] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: let's build all packages first :)
[01:05] <ivoks> oh no...
[01:05] <ivoks> debian/rules is hell
[01:05] <RoAkSoAx> hahaha
[01:05] <ivoks> are we sure this guy knows what he's doing?
[01:05] <ajmitch> ivoks: the sort of hell you love...
[01:05] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: the first step to write a testcase is usually to write up some documentation
[01:05] <ivoks> he has two she-bangs
[01:05] <ajmitch> interesting
[01:05] <ivoks> this is wrong wrong wrong
[01:05] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: the same way you've used the openvpn documentation from the help wiki to test your openvpn merge
[01:05] <ajmitch> ivoks: which package?
[01:06] <ivoks> ajmitch: http://people.debian.org/~madkiss/ha/dists/sid/main/source/corosync_0.97-2.diff.gz
[01:06] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, well I talked to horms and he told me that madkiss (Martin Loschwitz) was doing the work with the packages
[01:06] <ivoks> ajmitch: look at debian/rules
[01:06] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz, yep.. I already have the documentation to test heartbeat, i just need to test it in a heartbeat/pacemaker config :)
[01:06] <ajmitch> ivoks: I see only one in this diff viewer
[01:07] <ivoks> maybe i did something wrong
[01:07] <ajmitch> dunno, I just opened in archive viewer, then double click on the diff inside
[01:07] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: awesome - be sure to put that in a wiki page on help.ubuntu.com so that other can also improve on your work
[01:07] <ajmitch> jaunty makes my life easy ;)
[01:07] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz, will do :)
[01:08] <ivoks> ah... i had dirty orig.tar.gz
[01:08] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, anyways.. what about the mentorship... any news/tasks ?
[01:09] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: christope didn't respond to my email yet :/
[01:09] <mathiaz> ivoks: you said 2:00 AM was the time at your place?
[01:09] <ivoks> mathiaz: yup
[01:09] <ajmitch> and it's just gone lunchtime here
[01:09] <mathiaz> ivoks: could that be related in any ways to your dirty .orig.tar.gz?
[01:09] <ivoks> mathiaz: most probably :D
[01:10] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, oki then... anyways i'll be unavailable to work on anything till Wednesday
[01:11] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: ok
[01:11] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: when do you plan to request motu status?
[01:12] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, as soon as possible.. which means as soon as I can get everything understood and be good in doing it :)
[01:12] <ivoks> is there something you don't understand?
[01:12] <RoAkSoAx> i do have a couple of months to work on it pretty much full time
[01:12] <ivoks> or would like to work on it
[01:12] <ivoks> what's debian's position on libssl?
[01:13] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, well i have many doubts on how to do things... :)
[01:13] <ivoks> i was under impression that they consider is non free
[01:13] <ivoks> it
[01:14] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, I guess we can work those things.. I'll make a list of things that I really want to understand  :) btw...
[01:15] <ivoks> great
[01:15] <RoAkSoAx> how do I package and app that has both a kernel module, and a user space daemon :)
[01:15] <ivoks> corosync uploaded
[01:15] <RoAkSoAx> from scratch I mean
[01:16] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, oh btw.. sorry for the PPA's spam :)
[01:16] <ivoks> no problem ;)
[01:17] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok so I more or less know what things I would like to do: package from scratch, bug fixing, and a little more of QA :)
[01:17] <ivoks> openais build-depens: debhelper
[01:17] <ivoks> i'm quite sure that's not enough :)
[01:21] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, well i'm off for lunch... i'll make the list on what I would like to work or if I need help if you're not around then :)
[01:21] <RoAkSoAx> talk you later
[01:21] <RoAkSoAx> take care
[01:21] <ivoks> bye
[01:33] <ivoks> mathiaz: we should finish spec drafts by the end of the week?
[01:33] <mathiaz> ivoks: yes - getting them ready in a state that dendrobates can review them
[01:33] <ivoks> ok
[01:33] <mathiaz> ivoks: flesh out the design section and a rough guide for implementation
[01:34] <ivoks> luckily, tomorrow is a holiday :)
[01:37] <ivoks> well... looks like we have a cluster stack :)
[01:55] <ivoks> well, good night everybody
[02:02] <tomsdale> mathiaz: I know it's not a server question but you were very knowledgable yesterday regarding a dns issue and I'm really stuck. Can I have a custom domain resoltution for an internet Address in my /etc/hosts which will be used by firefox?
[02:03] <ivoks> yes
[02:03] <tomsdale> or any other browser for that matter. background is that I need to recover a hacked website which seems blacklisted with all dnses.
[02:03] <ivoks> but you have to restart firefox once you change it
[02:04] <tomsdale> I tried this - rebooted but no luck. I'm on kubuntu btw but I 8.04tried it also on ubuntu
[02:04] <tomsdale> not even lynx resolves after the /etc/hosts but if I go by IP I can't access a virtual host.
[02:05] <ivoks> kubuntu and ubuntu are the same thing
[02:05] <ivoks> it's only visual part that's different
[02:06] <ivoks> maybe you didn't enter it right
[02:06] <ivoks> it should be:
[02:06] <ivoks> ip fqdn alias
[02:06] <ivoks> for example:
[02:06] <ivoks> <IP_ADDRESS> www.grad.hr gradec
[02:08] <ivoks> anyway... good night
[02:08] <tomsdale> thanks anyway. That's what I have btw
[02:08] <ivoks> then it works
[02:08] <ivoks> you can check with netstat -nat
[02:09] <ivoks> you'll see it's connecting to that ip
[02:10] <tomsdale> I think I got it. They must have taken the domain offline and the results I get are from the search.
[02:10] <mathiaz_> tomsdale: does ping site.example.com uses the correct IP address?
[02:11] <tomsdale> checking ....
[02:15] <tomsdale> ok - confirmed stupidity on my part. the virtual hosts are  under a different IP than the domain for the ftp. I inverted the addresses. there's nothing wrong with the /etc/hosts.
[02:16] <tomsdale> thanks mathiaz once again.
[02:17] <mathiaz> tomsdale: you're welcome :)
[02:56] <dastagg> Hi. I need some help setting up Postfix/Dovecot.
[02:56] <dastagg> I am following the instructions in the official docs but when I test
[02:57] <dastagg> I am not seeing 250 STARTTLS. I have looked in the logs and I don't
[02:57] <dastagg> see any errors so I not sure if this is normal or if I missed something.
[02:57] <dastagg> How can I tell if TLS is running?
[03:45] <ewook> dastagg: you more or less did.
[03:45] <snth> Does anyone have a full-ish log of this channel?
[03:46] <snth> Or is it accessible somewhere online?
[03:46] <dthacker> snth: possibly, how far back do you need?
[03:46] <snth> dthacker: Like a year maybe
[03:47] <dthacker> nope, sorry only have a few months
[03:47] <snth> 6months-ish?
[03:49] <dastagg> sorry, don't understand that
[03:50] <dastagg> does it mean that because I don't see TLSSTART that it isn't working?
[03:53] <dastagg> ewook: oops: I mean STARTTLS
[03:53] <ScottK> snth: Look on irclogs.ubuntu.com
[03:54] <ewook> dastagg: ya. you are prolly missing something. do a restart on postfix and look in the logs if you get anything to start with.
[03:54] <snth> ScottK: Sweet .. thanks
[03:56] <ewook> dastagg: did you acctually enable it in your main.cf?
[03:56] <ScottK> dastagg: If TLS is running, you're logs will have something like postfix/smtpd[18251]: setting up TLS connection from  when you try to connect.
[03:57] <dastagg> ewook: I'm doing a tail on mail.log but don't see any errors.
[03:59] <dastagg> and I did a line by line compare with the sample on the website.
[04:00] <dastagg> Other then two lines: session_cache_database and my hostname they are the same.
[04:03] <dastagg> Now I'm tail syslog, when I telnet in, I see a [5804] but not 18251
[04:04] <ewook> that's the pid.
[04:05] <ewook> or id.
[04:05] <ewook> to tired to think :P
[04:05] <ewook> what official docs where you following?
[04:05] <dastagg> The Ubuntu Official Documentation
[04:06] <ewook> got a link? :)
[04:07] <ScottK> dastagg: can you pastebin the output of postconf -n and the log snippet from when you telnet in?
[04:07] <dastagg> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/postfix.html
[04:08] <dastagg> I'm new to irc, can you point me to directions on how to do that please?
[04:11] <ScottK> !pastebin
[04:11] <ScottK> dastagg: ^^
[04:14] <ewook> prolly missing some lib.
[04:15] <dastagg> http://paste.ubuntu.com/193167 is the postconf -n output
[04:18] <dastagg> http://paste.ubuntu.com/193169 is telnet print
[04:27]  * ScottK looks
[04:28]  * ewook sleeps
[04:29] <ewook> good luck
[04:29] <dastagg> thanks!
[04:29] <ScottK> dastagg: I don't see "smtpd_use_tls = yes
[04:29] <ScottK> in your postconf -n.
[04:29] <dastagg> ScottK: line 20
[04:30] <dastagg> your right! thats smtp
[04:30] <dastagg> missing the d
[04:30] <ScottK> dastagg: I think that's likely your problem.
[04:30] <ScottK> Add that, restart postfix, and try again.
[04:35] <dastagg> ScottK: Nope, still not seeing the STARTTLS! :-(
[04:36] <ScottK> dastagg: OK.  What does /var/log/mail.log say about it?
[04:40] <dastagg> http://paste.ubuntu.com/193176 is the bottom of a cat of mail.log
[04:42] <dastagg> ScottK: but I don't see any errors but I'm new to this so I might not know it when I see it.
[04:42]  * ScottK looks
[04:45] <ScottK> dastagg: If TLS was working, there's a a log line that says "setting up TLS connection" right after the connect one.
[04:45] <ScottK> dastagg: You did create the TLS certs, right?
[04:45] <dastagg> I thought I followed the instructions carefully but....
[04:46] <dastagg> I am doing this in a xen virtual machine. I think I'll wipe it and start again.
[04:46] <ScottK> dastagg: I wouldn't
[04:46] <ScottK> What does ls -l /etc/ssl/certs/smtpd.crt produce.
[04:47] <ScottK> Unless you understand what went wrong, odds are you'll just have the same problem again.
[04:48] <dastagg> a listing of -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 725 2009-06-10 20:27 /etc/ssl/certs/smtpd.crt
[04:49] <dastagg> Well, that's true but there were a lot of lines to copy and paste. Maybe I missed one or messed it up.
[04:52] <ScottK> dastagg: I have a theory for you.
[04:52] <ScottK> Let me check something first though.
[04:53] <dastagg> ScottK: Okay, I'll wait.
[04:54] <ScottK> dastagg: See smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu) in your main.cf.
[04:54] <dastagg> yes
[04:54] <ScottK> dastagg: See line 3 of http://paste.ubuntu.com/193169/
[04:55] <ScottK> When you are telnetting in, you aren't talking to the postfix we are modifying.
[04:56] <ScottK> dastagg: ^^^^
[04:56] <dastagg> what or where am I talking to then?
[04:57] <ScottK> Good question.
[04:57] <dastagg> ScottK: I have used both telnet mail.staggsystem.com and <IP_ADDRESS> and I get the same result.
[04:59] <ScottK> dantalizing: telnet mail.staggsystem.com is not reachable from here.
[04:59] <dastagg> could that be the 220 smtp.passthru ? and if so, where am I getting passed to ?
[05:00] <ScottK> Firewall?
[05:00] <dastagg> All this is still internal, on the local net
[05:02] <dastagg> I am using an IPCop firewall but there is a host mail.staggsystems and it is pointing to .52
[05:03] <ScottK> What happens if you telnet localhost 25 from inside the vm?
[05:05] <dastagg> well holy (well, you know what) That works! I see the banner and STARTTLS!
[05:05] <ScottK> OK, so you know your postfix is configured correctly.
[05:06] <ScottK> Now I'd try to do the same while logged into the host.
[05:06] <dastagg> See, I knew the "Official Documentation" was good! :-)
[05:06] <e-jat> :)
[05:07] <ScottK> What you have is either a networking proxy/firewall problem or a vm configuration problem.
[05:07] <dastagg> OKAY!
[05:07] <dastagg> Thank You! for the help!
[05:08] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[05:10] <dastagg> and I did telnet mail.staggsystems instead of localhost and that works also.
[05:11] <dastagg> Thanks again!
[05:12] <ScottK> You still need to figure out why it's not reachable from the outside.
[07:28] <pteague> anybody know if vmware server 2 still has that crappy browser plugin interface?
[07:29] <twb> pteague: AFAIK, it does
[07:33] <pteague> dang, cause i can't seem to find vmware 1.x anywhere
[07:34] <rags> wht is the default http server in ubuntu?
[07:34] <rags> or how can I find out?
[07:34] <diffra> apache
[07:34] <diffra> though, it doesn't install it by default, only if you select the LAMP package when installing
[07:35] <rags> diffra: oh...k..but there were lighttpd files aswell..
[07:35] <rags> how do I know which is active?
[07:35] <diffra> really?  lighttpd definitely isn't the default.  however, it's my personal choice.
[07:35] <diffra> sudo netstat -natp | grep 80 should work
[07:36] <diffra> it'll tell you what process is listening on port 80.
[07:36] <rags> hmm...then somethng else might have installed it...how do I know which is running..oh..k
[07:36] <rags> yup...apache2...thx
[07:37] <rags> ya it dhows ddwiki as well...so i guess tht's where Lighttpd came from
[07:38] <rags> I am trying to install smokeping on ubutu...I got the package...the install doc says to put the smokeping.cgi file in the cgi-bin folder...now where is this for apache? should I make a new folder under web root?
[07:39] <henkjan> rags: apt-get install smokeping
[07:40] <henkjan> after installation you can find smokeping in http://your.server.name/cgi-bin/smokeping.cgi
[07:41] <rags> henkjan: I did the apt-get install but it puts the file under /usr/lib/cgi-bin..
[07:42] <diffra> that's where apache reads /cgi-bin/ from
[07:42] <rags> so http://servr/smokeping.cgi should work right?..but it dosn't
[07:43] <diffra> as henkjan said, server/cgi-bin/smokeping.cgi
[07:43] <rags> ..oh....kk..will try tht..thx
[08:06] <ihtarlik> Does anyone know the name of the program that manages updates to configuration files so that default configs don't break custom ones?
[08:07] <ScottK> ihtarlik: What are you trying to accomplish?
[08:09] <ihtarlik> I remember that the program would tell upon running it if there were pending updates to config files.  I recently updated a program where I've edited the default config file in the previous version, but I want to check about defaults in the new version...
[08:11] <ScottK> It's part of the packaging system.  Part of dpkg I think.
[08:19] <ihtarlik> This is special and was introduced in Intrepid or Jaunty, for the server edition only
[08:22] <ihtarlik> Am I going nuts?  Does this program even exist?
[08:27] <diffra> you could download and unpack the new .deb and snag the config file that way..
[08:27] <ihtarlik> Ooooh, good idea
[08:27] <ihtarlik> Thanks!
[08:27] <soren> ihtarlik: If you've made local changes to a conffile, dpkg will ask you if you want to accept the new version or keep  your local changes or do the merge manually.
[08:27] <soren> ihtarlik: This has been the case for years and years.
[08:27] <soren> and years.
[08:29] <henkjan> ihtarlik: you mean etckeeper?
[08:32] <ihtarlik> No, etckeeper is for git and bzr specifically.
[08:32] <ihtarlik> This is for general conf files.
[08:38] <twb> ihtarlik: and darcs
[08:38] <ihtarlik> darcs?  I have not heard of this.
[08:38] <soren> It's a revision control system.
[08:38] <ihtarlik> Gotcha
[08:39] <ihtarlik> With git and bzr
[08:39] <twb> dpkg internally remembers the checksum at install time, the checksum of the file as it currently exists, and the checksum of the new conffile.  If all three differ, it will prompt you with a TWO-way merge between the current and new files.
[08:39] <twb> So it's damn handy, but etckeeper has a lot more grunt.
[08:39] <ihtarlik> twb: I remember setting up a program during the install of my server that changed the default behavior.
[08:40] <twb> soren: sorry, I mean that it puts both files there and asks for help from the user
[08:40] <twb> But it's not a three-way merge :-(
[08:40] <soren> It's not, no :(
[08:41] <soren> ihtarlik: Did this stop working after an upgrade?
[08:41] <ihtarlik> This is a secondary program run from the command line that identifies if there are newer conf files, and prompts for a merge.
[08:41] <ihtarlik> And no, I just forgot the command.
[08:41] <soren> ihtarlik: If you find it again, let me knwo.
[08:41] <twb> ihtarlik: you may be thinking of ucf, which does something similar for generated non-conffile files
[08:41] <soren> know, even.
[08:43] <ihtarlik> I'm tempted to setup a virtual box to reinstall the server on...
[08:44] <twb> Why virtualbox and not kvm?
[08:44] <ihtarlik> virtual box as in a virtualized computer, not in the specific environment
[08:45] <ihtarlik> Though I usually use virtual box when I'm in Windows 7
[08:46] <twb> Righto
[08:52] <ihtarlik> Gonna get some sleep, will look for that program tomorrow...  Good night all
[09:08] <twb> Sleep is a dangerous vice
[10:29] <kj4> hello all
[11:54] <sydneyguy> Hail all
[13:18] <sydneyguy> Is the hostname is considered part of FQDN?
[13:18] <soren> Sure.
[13:19] <soren> fqdn is the fully qualified domain name, so it's the hostname and the domain name.
[13:21] <sydneyguy> ok
[13:21] <sydneyguy> If my hostname is server01 and my domain is test.com
[13:21] <sydneyguy> mine is server01.test.com
[13:21] <sydneyguy> but how I configure dns .. it is gonna be ns.server01.test.com???
[13:22] <soren> I don't understand the question.
[13:23] <sydneyguy> I am trying to configure my ubuntu server to act as the master dns server
[13:24] <sydneyguy> Where I should put the FQDN and when I should put only the domain name .. when I add the ns.
[13:24] <sydneyguy> Like :
[13:24] <sydneyguy> ;
[13:24] <sydneyguy> ; BIND data file for local loopback interface
[13:24] <sydneyguy> ;
[13:24] <sydneyguy> $TTL    604800
[13:24] <sydneyguy> @       IN      SOA     ns.example.com. root.example.com. (
[13:24] <sydneyguy> There r few files I have to configure.. and they are:
[13:25] <sydneyguy> 1-    /etc/bind/named.conf.options
[13:25] <sydneyguy> 2- /etc/bind/named.conf.local
[13:25] <sydneyguy> 3-  /etc/bind/db.example.com
[13:26] <sydneyguy> 3-  /etc/bind/db.10
[13:27] <sydneyguy> example.com gonna be test.com .. my FQDN is server01.test.com and not test.com
[13:27] <sydneyguy> so????
[13:29] <ivoks> this is why we need directory service
[13:29] <ivoks> lots of people want to use ubuntu, but don't have knowledge of services they want to setup
[13:30] <ivoks> sydneyguy: have you ever configured bind before?
[13:30] <soren> sydneyguy: Please use a pastebin for stuff like that.
[13:32] <sydneyguy> no
[13:33] <sydneyguy> when they said ns.example.com .. is their dns server is called ns so the FQDN for the dns sever is ns.example.com ..
[13:33] <sydneyguy> so mine is called server01 .. so my FQDN is server01.example.com and not ns.server01.example.com in the file
[13:34] <ivoks> do you control DNS for example.com?
[13:34] <soren> I somehow doubt it.
[13:35] <ivoks> cause, i really don't understand what you are trying to accomplish
[13:35] <soren> These do not sound like questions from someone who works for ICANN :)
[13:35] <ivoks> :)
[13:41] <ivoks> i don't get it...
[13:42] <ivoks> package builds on my machine, but doesn't on ppa
[13:42] <ivoks> and it's not building issue
[13:43] <soren> ivoks: Eh?
[13:43] <ivoks> soren: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/27777337/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-amd64.openais-legacy_0.80.5%2Bsvn20090606-1ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:43] <ivoks> install: cannot stat `lib/libais.so.2.*': No such file or directory
[13:44] <soren> ivoks: It's called lib/libais.so.2
[13:44] <soren> libais.so.2.* are in lib/../
[13:44] <soren> Or so it seems, based on:
[13:44] <soren> ln -sf libais.so.2.0.0 lib/libais.so.2
[13:45] <soren> Which is about 30 lines further up.
[13:45] <ivoks> hm
[13:45] <ivoks> install -m 755 lib/libais.so.2.* /home/ivoks/ClusterStack/openais-legacy-0.80.5+svn20090606/debian/tmp//usr/lib/openais
[13:46] <ivoks> works here :/
[13:46] <ivoks> and there is libais.so.2.0.0
[13:54] <ivoks> cc1: warnings being treated as errors
[13:54] <ivoks> grrr
[14:09] <ivoks> oh...
[14:16] <sommer> ya!!!
[15:09] <Ethos> anyone know how to convert a physical ubuntu server to a virtual server?
[15:10] <soren> Ethos: Yes. Carefully.
[15:10] <Ethos> heh
[15:11] <Ethos> the free convertor doesn't do it
[15:11] <soren> Ethos: It depends, really. What's it running?
[15:11] <soren> "the free converter"?
[15:11] <Ethos> Vmware vcentre convertor
[15:11] <Ethos> The server is running ubuntu 8.10 server
[15:13] <soren> I don't know how VMWare does it.
[15:16] <pmatulis> anyone here familiar with mode 4 ethernet bonding?
[15:17] <soren> pmatulis: What's the problem?
[15:17] <pmatulis> i have a ubuntu box with bonded devices and i want to connect them directly to an iESX server
[15:17] <soren> Ok.
[15:17] <drurew> can anyone point me at a how to network two local servers with no switch ?
[15:17] <pmatulis> but i'm not sure about any special configuration on the ESX side
[15:18] <soren> pmatulis: You do the same on the other end.
[15:18] <pmatulis> soren: and that's it?
[15:18] <soren> pmatulis: As far as I know, yes.
[15:19] <pmatulis> soren: mode 4 doesn't support unplugging (failover) right?  they are either both on or both off?
[15:20] <soren> pmatulis: I'm not sure, to be honest.
[15:20] <RoAk> ivoks: heya!
[15:20] <pmatulis> soren: ok
[15:21] <ivoks> RoAk: hi
[15:21] <ivoks> RoAk: long story short; we'll drop those packages from debian maintainer
[15:22] <ivoks> they are of very low quality
[15:22] <ivoks> we'll provide them with better packages :)
[15:22] <RoAk> ivoks: hah really??? haha ok
[15:22] <ivoks> yes
[15:22] <RoAk> ivoks: every package?
[15:22] <ivoks> openais and crosync have significant mistakes
[15:22] <ivoks> openais-legacy also couple of errors
[15:22] <soren> pmatulis: Oh, hang on. Are you connected directly to the other end, or through a switch?
[15:22] <ivoks> heartbeat is ok
[15:23] <RoAk> ivoks: what about pacemaker
[15:23] <pmatulis> soren: directly
[15:23] <ivoks> RoAk: haven't looked at it yet
[15:23] <soren> pmatulis: Ok, good.
[15:23] <ivoks> i hate lpia
[15:23] <pmatulis> soren: i did read that a switch needs to be configured, that's why i'm asking about this direct setup
[15:24] <RoAk> ivoks: hahaha well I need to go to the doctor. be back later :) let me know if there's anything I can do later on today.
[15:25] <ivoks> ok
[15:25] <RoAk> bye
[15:34] <drurew> I am trying to network 2 servers without a switch, server #1 has an eth1 and eth2 , server #2 has an eth port as well (strangly it is listed as eth27) I would like to use server #1 as a proxy for server #2. how should I go about configuring this
[15:34] <ivoks> give them ip addresses?
[15:35] <drurew> ivoks: commands are helpfull :)
[15:36] <ivoks> heh
[15:36] <ivoks> w3m www.google.com
[15:36] <ivoks> :)
[15:36] <drurew> ;)
[15:36] <ivoks> set up /etc/network/interfaces
[15:37] <ivoks> man interfaces - man stands for manual
[15:37] <drurew> awsome
[15:37] <drurew> thanks
[15:37] <drurew> or info
[15:37] <ivoks> there are couple of examples
[15:38] <drurew> thanks ivoks
[15:39] <ivoks> learn to use 'man'
[15:39] <ivoks> that's the best and the fastest help you can get on unix
[16:05] <kblin> hi folks
[16:08] <kblin> I'm running a bunch of ubuntu server VMs in kvm for testing, and I'd like to suspend them to disk rather than shutting them down. I vaguely remember that I could echo something into /proc or /sys to trigger a suspend to disk, but I forgot whare this did go. any hints?
[16:11] <jpds> sudo pm-suspend ?
[16:12] <Authority> does dpkg have a similar function to 'rpm -V' (verify integrity of installed package)?
[16:16] <kblin> jpds: ah, right direction.. pm-hibernate seems to be the one :)
[16:16] <jpds> Authority: http://www.euglug.org/pipermail/euglug/2004-August/001230.html
[16:17] <Authority> jpds: thanks
[16:17] <kblin> jpds: perfect, thanks alot :)
[16:19] <jpds> No problem.
[16:30] <Ethos> How can I format all partitions / data in ubuntu?
[16:30] <Ethos> Literally every deleted
[16:45] <troglobyte> I have a postfix/courier mail server set up.  It will work fine for a period of time then fail with permissions issues in Maildir/tmp.
[16:45] <troglobyte> /home/user/Maildir/tmp/1244734481.P2935.domain.net: Permission denied
[16:46] <troglobyte> sometimes a reboot will clear it up.  other times not.
[16:47] <troglobyte> any ideas as to what might cause this delayed failure?
[16:51] <jmedina> troglobyte: who is writing to the mailbox?
[16:51] <jmedina> postfix local, virtual, maildrop?
[16:52] <jmedina> you need to check you logs to define what process is actuallly writing to the mailbox
[16:52] <troglobyte> I'll check now
[16:53] <troglobyte> postfix
[16:53] <troglobyte> but I think I have more info.  it looks like imap-ss is the problem
[16:54] <troglobyte> restarting courier-imap-ssl immediately fixed the problem and I'm seeing "imapd-ssl: chdir Maildir: No such file or directory"
[17:17] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: pacemaker is broken too
[17:18] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, yeah I was also trying to install it and found errors :)
[17:18] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: it builds with old heartbeat and old openais... problaby doesn't work at all
[17:18] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, I've install the pacemaker-heartbeat package and heartbeat won't start because of there's no CRM
[17:19] <RoAkSoAx> so I guess it's not installing pacemaker itself
[17:19] <ivoks> now i'm soooooooo sorry that i dropped my packages
[17:19] <RoAkSoAx> and If i install just acemaker it shows:  trying to overwrite `/usr/sbin/attrd_updater', which is also in package pacemaker-heartbeat
[17:19] <ivoks> these are broken, totally
[17:20] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, have you actually erased your packages?
[17:20] <ivoks> yes
[17:20] <RoAkSoAx> i see :S
[17:20] <ivoks> but i'll manage something out
[17:22] <ivoks> rm -rf *
[17:22] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok... you should also get in contact with the guy in debian who's working with them
[17:22] <RoAkSoAx> Madkiss is his nickname
[17:22] <ivoks> i've sent him an email
[17:22] <_cpod_> quick question: why is klogd using over 50% of my CPU right now and how can i reduce that? (i'm also rsyncing between two NTFS drives ATM, if that matters)
[17:23] <stanman1> is it possible to run mysql5 together with php3?
[17:24] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: for start, let's just make pacemaker+openais
[17:24] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: we'll add heartbeat support later
[17:24] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok cool.
[17:25] <ivoks> we should remove pacemaker from ppa
[17:25] <ivoks> not yet, at least...
[17:26] <troglobyte> jmedina, postfix local is doing the delivery.  logs indicate normal operation until this happen: http://pastebin.com/d7c83e62f
[17:27] <jmedina> troglobyte: is directory exists?
[17:27] <troglobyte> yes.  it's there and handling mail
[17:27] <troglobyte> until it just stops
[17:27] <jmedina> troglobyte: that happens most of time when you try to connecto to IMAP and mailbox (Maildir) doesnt exists
[17:28] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, should we just upgrade pacemaker and openais? or are you packaging them from scratch?
[17:28] <troglobyte> that part I understand.  how it just stops working out of the blue is what's got my head on backwards
[17:28] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: openais in our ppa is latest
[17:28] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: corosync is latest
[17:29] <ivoks> pacemaker was build with old openais
[17:29] <jmedina> troglobyte: I would try to ingrease debut in courier
[17:29] <ivoks> so, corosync and openais are ok, but i'll probably create new packages from scratch
[17:29] <ivoks> rhcs is in good shape
[17:30] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok so openais-legacy is old openais?
[17:31] <ivoks> yes
[17:31] <ivoks> that's 0.8 version
[17:31] <ivoks> which had corosync in it
[17:31] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, so we should just change the dependencies in debian/control?
[17:31] <ivoks> in 0.9x corosync is extracted from openais
[17:31] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: it's not that easy
[17:33] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok, so what can I do, should do?
[17:33] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, we can consider this as part of my mentorship :)
[17:34] <ivoks> wait for better packages :)
[17:35] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, hah yeah but I would like to contribute on the packaging and will also help learn more stuff
[17:42] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: i have to figure out how to build pacemaker
[17:44] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok
[17:45] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, what about taking a look to : http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/server:/ha-clustering/xUbuntu_8.04/
[17:46] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, the pacemaker project points out that repo to install pacemaker...
[17:48] <ivoks> hm... so that's with old openais
[17:48] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: i'll wait for an answer on linux-ha
[17:49] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ping beekhof_ since he's the upstream pacemaker dev
[18:13] <ivoks> ok, finally, i'm figuring out how it's supposed to be
[18:16] <jared555> is it suggested that experienced users use ufw or iptables directly?
[18:20] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, are you changing the dependencies from openais-legacy to openais?
[18:20] <ivoks> no
[18:20] <ivoks> pacemaker depends on openais-legacy
[18:20] <ivoks> rhcs depens on new openais
[18:22] <ivoks> and then there is heartbeat
[18:22] <ivoks> in old version is a standalone
[18:22] <ivoks> and in a new version is subset of pacemaker
[18:23] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, what about pacemaker-heartbeat. Shouldn't it install both pacemaker and heartbeat?? rather than just heartbeat?
[18:24] <ivoks> man, i'm at the source still
[18:24] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, haha ok :) well i'm eager to help I just don't know where to start
[18:26] <ivoks> heh
[18:26] <ivoks> praise the lord
[18:26] <ivoks> it builded
[18:27] <ivoks> suse's package is also... in bad state
[18:27] <ivoks> if configure fails, it's impossible to clean the source
[18:28] <ivoks> and you have to rm everything and then untar again
[18:28] <RoAkSoAx> i see
[18:28] <ivoks> and build-depends are wrong
[18:28] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, i wouldn't be able to work on packages that way... that's why I need to work more on them and get al that knowledge
[18:29] <ivoks> they were ok for 8.05
[18:29] <ivoks> 4
[18:30] <Kaushal> hi
[18:30] <Kaushal> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=380550
[18:35] <Kaushal> I have On-board chip, NVIDIA NVRAID SATA controller
[18:35] <Kaushal> is there a support for it on Ubuntu 8.04.2 Server ?
[18:35] <ivoks> support for what?
[18:36] <ivoks> 'raid'?
[18:36] <jdstrand> jared555: depends on if ufw fits your needs
[18:36] <jdstrand> jared555: if you are only doing host-based stuff, ufw is recommended
[18:36] <Kaushal> support for raid level 1 on Ubuntu 8.04.2 server
[18:37] <jdstrand> jared555: if you need to do a lot of routing, iptables may be a better fit
[18:37] <ivoks> Kaushal: that controller isn't a raid controller
[18:37] <ivoks> Kaushal: that's a marketing trick
[18:37] <jdstrand> (but ufw can be used in the capacity too)
[18:37] <Kaushal> http://docs.sun.com/source/820-6350-11/chapter1.html#Z40000eb1319766
[18:38] <Kaushal> My server is X2200 M2
[18:39] <ivoks> Kaushal: i'm sorry, but that's a fakeraid
[18:39] <Kaushal> ivoks, if you look at the third column in that table they say it has support for Hardware 0,1
[18:39] <Kaushal> ah ok
[18:39] <ivoks> Kaushal: it exports all drivers to the operating system
[18:40] <ivoks> that's something that raid controllers don't do
[18:40] <ivoks> Kaushal: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/RAID/NVRAID_with_dmraid#About_the_Install
[18:40] <pmatulis> anyone have any experience running 10 GB network cards on ubuntu?  does this make sense practically speaking?
[18:41] <ivoks> Kaushal: you'll get better performance if you disable that (leave it to work as simple sata controller) and set up linux software raid
[18:41] <Kaushal> ah ok
[18:43] <Kaushal> ivoks, is it https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID ?
[18:43] <ivoks> Kaushal: yes
[18:43] <Kaushal> great
[19:43] <Hillaballoo> hey all- does anyone know when mysql-server-5.1 will be updated to fix this month-old bug? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server-bugs/2009-May/013168.html
[19:43] <Hillaballoo> the inability to use the innodb plugin is a major issue
[19:50] <Hillaballoo> anyone?  Bueller?  Bueller?
[21:08] <billybigrigger> anyone here familiar with exporting databases?
[21:11] <Hillaballoo> don't bother, nobody answers anything in this channel
[21:16] <holoway> billybigrigger: exporting databases from what?
[21:16] <billybigrigger> well its my webmail database (roundcube)
[21:16] <billybigrigger> but it's version 0.22 and i see there is a 0.3 beta which i will just use for the new server
[21:20] <holoway> billybigrigger: but what is the database server itself? mysql? postgres? sqlite?  you can go look at the respective documentation forthat information
[21:20] <holoway> and you should look at roundcube's docs for specifics for your upgrade
[21:20] <billybigrigger> mysql
[21:20] <holoway> cool - the mysql docs are pretty clear about database export/backup/restore
[21:20] <billybigrigger> well i see the export tab in phpmyadmin
[21:21] <billybigrigger> wondering how safe that is to use
[21:22] <FFForever> any idea how i can fix this?, pam_env(sshd:setcred): Unable to open env file: /etc/default/locale: No such file or directory
[21:22] <FFForever> thats on an ssh login
[21:28] <billybigrigger> no locale setup
[21:29] <FFForever> billybigrigger, i am getting a problem with a user who cannot login =\
[21:29] <FFForever> billybigrigger, he is getting the error /bin/bash does not exist
[21:29] <FFForever> but i can login just fine
[22:05] <kirkland> sommer: ping
[22:05] <kirkland> sommer: hiya, i can't seem to find any official, or unofficial documentation on kvm virtio disks
[22:05] <kirkland> sommer: this blog post has a sample: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=859982
[22:06] <kirkland> sommer: any chance I could talk you into throwing a bit about this into one of the kvm community wiki pages and/or the server guide?
[22:06] <kirkland> sommer: i'll gladly review it for accuracy
[22:11] <chmac> Anyone know if there's a way to diff for only missing files. A simpler equivalent of `diff -qr path1/ path2/ | grep -v -e "^Files "`


[14:47] <RikMills> kdenlive, elisa, konsole etc 22.08.2 updates to test: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4940/+packages
[14:47] <RikMills> hopefully can get those in before final freeze