[00:05] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1212173 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/backend.cpp Remove two unused QStringLists. (They were replaced by the m_originMap QHash)
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> yofel: right after I explained that to you I had an inspiration
[00:22] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1212174 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (3 files) Only show origins that have apps in the sidebar.
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> bug == fixed
[00:24] <yofel> :D
[01:42] <stalcup> where is 4.5.4 hiding?
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/XMLd-XML.aspx http://philosophistry.com/scans/2010/lol-face.jpg
[05:02] <stalcup> finally getting started
[05:02]  * stalcup is old and rusty
[05:02] <stalcup> ls
[05:13] <stalcup> what's the kde-package package i'm missing?
[05:19] <stalcup> got it
[05:41] <stalcup> where is the archive for the unofficial kubuntu packages?
[05:43] <stalcup> nm
[06:17] <stalcup> holy moses, I liked the old ppa better
[06:51] <stalcup> ScottK: Riddell I got a start tonight, should be able to finish 4.5.5 tomorrow
[08:55] <Riddell> good morning Kubuntu
[09:16] <skfin> Hello Kubuntu
[09:29] <shadeslayer> anyone heard of a Error 127 during a upgrade 0_o
[09:29]  * shadeslayer googles
[09:30] <skfin> KPackageKit?
[09:32] <skfin> Wat... https://wiki.kubuntu.org/error%20and%20warning%20messages
[09:32] <skfin> There is "You have mail" :)
[09:33] <skfin> And "No mail"
[09:37] <shadeslayer> hmm
[09:37] <shadeslayer> someone tried to upgrade 9.10 to 10.10
[09:37] <shadeslayer> they got a error 127 :P
[09:38] <skfin> Not a surprice
[09:38] <skfin> Changed repos manually?
[09:38] <shadeslayer> dunno
[09:38] <shadeslayer> over the phone support
[09:38] <shadeslayer> ill be going back to college after a week, so will sort it out then
[09:39] <Riddell> doesn't tell us much without even knowing what they were using to upgrade
[09:39] <shadeslayer> manual do-release-upgrade ^_^
[09:39] <Riddell> ubuntu-bug update-manager  then
[09:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: well .. i see a post on kubuntu forums as well
[09:40] <shadeslayer> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3108676.0
[09:40] <shadeslayer> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3114385.0
[09:42] <Riddell> not much use without logs
[09:43] <shadeslayer> aye ..  will go back next week to find out....
[09:44] <shadeslayer> also ... i need to reformat the whole PC and repartition and what not
[09:44] <shadeslayer> s/PC/Laptop
[09:45] <shadeslayer> damn its cold here
[09:46] <Riddell> snow hit you too?
[09:46] <shadeslayer> no
[09:46] <shadeslayer> just freakingly cold
[09:46] <shadeslayer> like... its down to 4C
[09:47] <shadeslayer> at a time when its supposed to be ... 8-10C
[09:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i found this http://code.google.com/p/android-cruft/wiki/LucidWithAndroid << lets see if i can boot plasma mobile off my phone nao :>
[09:48] <shadeslayer> need a bigger microsdcard tho :P
[09:48] <Riddell> if it's not snowing, it's not cold
[09:49] <shadeslayer> well ... yes ... but its colder than previous years ... wait another 2 years and we will have snow :P
[09:54] <yofel> morning o/
[09:55] <shadeslayer> yofel: hey :)
[10:17] <Riddell> yofel or anyone : able to test RC 2 on natty today?
[10:17] <Riddell> well, finish sip/kdebindings first of course
[10:17] <ulysses> I knew I had to bring my laptop:S
[10:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i can helpo
[10:18] <shadeslayer> before i nuke my system :>
[10:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: go for it
[10:20] <shadeslayer> ninja PPA i assume
[10:20] <Riddell> yes
[10:21] <shadeslayer> ok ... this will take time on my slow connection tho :P
[10:38] <yofel> Riddell: sure
[10:38] <Riddell> yofel: did you get anywhere with sip?
[10:39] <yofel> not further than Quintasan got :S
[10:39] <Riddell> how far was that?
[10:45] <yofel> still trying to get configure.py to work, Scott had a suggestion though that I'll try
[11:01] <Quintasan> I'm up
[11:01] <Quintasan> yofel: Did you try this?
[11:03] <yofel> I currently want to find out what sip_module_base is set to in the first place
[11:07] <yofel> hm, sip_module_base=sip
[11:11] <Quintasan>     sip_module_base = sip
[11:11] <Quintasan> NameError: name 'sip' is not define
[11:17] <yofel> er, I meant, that's what it's set to, sry
[11:17] <yofel> what confuses me is that it gives "Error: Unable to open "/tmp/buildd/sip4-qt3-4.12/siplib/siplib.sbf"" right at the beginning..
[11:27] <skamster> hello all, got someone a idea, how plasma could get it's own filename including the path?
[11:27] <skamster> i think it's saved as a zip..
[11:27] <skamster> ?
[11:28] <skamster> (the plasma-widget)
[11:28] <Riddell> skamster: I'm not sure what you're asking
[11:29] <skamster> Riddell: if you install a plasma-widget, it will be saved as a zip-file i think
[11:29] <yofel> Quintasan_: did you find out where that error comes from? doesn't seem to be configure.py
[11:29] <skamster> ah, i'm sorry, i use pykde (as a detail)
[11:29] <skamster> and i need to know the path to this zip-file
[11:30] <Quintasan> yofel: it looks like it fails at touching configure-stamp
[11:30] <skamster> in a dynamic way..
[11:30] <Quintasan> but yet configure.py fails to find siplib.sbf
[11:30] <Quintasan> so it's a problem of configure.py for looking in the wrong way
[11:30] <Quintasan> it seems it builds siplibs.sbf for all python versions insalled
[11:30] <Quintasan> installed*
[11:31] <yofel> Quintasan: actually it does not, printing "This is SIP 4.12 for Python 2.7.1+ on linux2."  is the FIRST thing configure.py does, and that comes after the error in the log
[11:31] <yofel> so I assume the error is in rules, but I don't get where o.O?
[11:32] <skamster> Riddell: because i've got some plugins there which will be packed too, so it won't find these if these are in the zip..
[11:34] <Quintasan> Oh I see what it actually does
[11:34] <Quintasan> yofel: it builds the sbf
[11:34] <Quintasan> but it looks in the wrong plce
[11:34] <Quintasan> :D
[11:34] <Quintasan> let me double check if I'm correct
[11:34] <yofel> Quintasan: right, previously the file was there, now it's a sbf.in and get's generated during configure.py
[11:35] <Quintasan> XDDD
[11:35] <Quintasan> /tmp/buildd/sip4-qt3-4.12/build-3.1/siplib
[11:35] <Quintasan> sip.h  siplib.c  siplib.sbf
[11:35] <Quintasan> yofel: ^
[11:35] <Quintasan> and it is looking for it in "/tmp/buildd/sip4-qt3-4.12/siplib/siplib.sbf"
[11:35] <yofel> I know that, that still doesn't tell me what looks at the wrong place
[11:36] <yofel> the *what* is my problem, it doesn't seem to be configure.py
[11:36] <Quintasan> configure.py ofc
[11:36] <Quintasan> or wait
[11:36] <yofel> Quintasan: and how does it do that before even running?
[11:36] <Quintasan> it seems like rules spew out those errors
[11:37] <yofel> or we tell configure.py to generate the file at the old place
[11:38] <yofel> I'm not sure what it's supposed to do there
[11:38] <yofel> er wait, that won't help either if it's failing before that, nvm
[11:38] <Riddell> skamster: it probably needs KStandardDir and locate()
[11:39] <Riddell> skamster: but details of the KDE and plasma API are best asked in #plasma I'd think
[11:40] <skamster> Riddell: mh, yes, you're right.. but i will try it with kstandartdir, thanks :)
[11:43] <Quintasan> I give up
[11:43]  * yofel is confused
[11:43] <Quintasan> Who the hell is maintainer of this madness
[11:43] <yofel> if I run that configure command by hand the error comes after configure.py is run o.O?
[11:48] <yofel> Quintasan: maybe it's configure.py after all - look at line 317
[11:48] <yofel> I think that fails
[11:48] <Quintasan> it fails
[11:48] <Quintasan> now the question is
[11:49] <Quintasan> how to make it build for every python version
[11:49] <Quintasan> because we build-{3.1,2.6,2.5}
[11:49] <Quintasan> and dbg-build-{3.1,2.6,2.5}
[11:49] <Riddell> are those the right versions?  I thought it was 3.2 and 2.7 we want in natty
[11:50] <Quintasan> Riddell: I want to get that in debian first
[11:50] <Quintasan> Riddell: then we can patch it in natty
[11:50] <Riddell> ok
[11:53] <Quintasan> yofel: I think we could use build_file=os.path.join(src_dir, "siplib", "siplib.sbf")
[11:53] <Quintasan> to join the path
[11:53] <Quintasan> but I dunno how to make it detect which build-*.* are available
[11:54] <yofel> I've got an idea, give me a sec
[11:54]  * Quintasan can't do any Python coding and doesn't want to know how to do it
[11:57] <yofel> Quintasan: replace src_dir with os.getcwd()
[11:57] <yofel> at least for 2.7 that returns /tmp/buildd/sip4-qt3-4.12/build-2.7
[11:58] <Quintasan> great
[11:58] <Quintasan> now build-stamp fails
[11:59] <Quintasan> make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/buildd/sip4-qt3-4.12/dbg-build-2.6/siplib'
[11:59] <Quintasan> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `sipint.h', needed by `siplib.o'.  Stop.
[11:59] <Quintasan> same for 3.1
[11:59] <Quintasan> and for 2.5
[11:59] <yofel> grrr
[11:59] <Quintasan> wait
[12:02] <Quintasan> At least we made a step
[12:03] <yofel> hm, maybe we should really tell it to generate the files in src_dir/siplib instead? (or we'll need  to  copy the other files too
[12:03] <yofel> )
[12:08] <Quintasan> dunno
[12:08] <Quintasan> let me tell you after I eat something
[12:08] <Quintasan> I'm starving
[12:09] <yofel> sure
[12:13] <yofel> JontheEchidna: I just tried your fix for not showing empty archives, either you fixed it too aggressively or app-install-data has a weird definition of an application http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/mi_old.png http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/mi_new.png
[12:14] <Quintasan> hmmmm
[12:14] <Quintasan> xorg broke?
[12:14] <yofel> Quintasan: it's held back here
[12:14] <Quintasan> whatever
[12:14] <Quintasan> for me it's all broken
[12:14] <Quintasan> :P
[12:22] <yofel> as for your all broken: that's what aptitude tells me http://paste.ubuntu.com/551044/ - for some reason I don't want to do that ^^
[12:22] <ulysses> why?:)
[12:24] <Quintasan> This is broken no matter how you look at it
[12:32] <seaLne> when are rc2 packages for maverick likely to be available? just noticed in the kde announcement it says packages are available and links to kubuntu rc1 announcement
[12:32] <yofel> hm, if I let it generate the files in src_dir/siplib then it's happy :S
[12:32] <yofel> Quintasan: wanna use that solution for now?
[12:33] <Riddell> seaLne: available for testing now if you're in a testing mood
[12:33] <Quintasan> If it works then k
[12:33] <Quintasan> We'll see what debian says
[12:33] <Riddell> seaLne: alas upstream only give us 24 hours notice these days so it's impossible to have them for release along with their announcement
[12:33] <yofel> aaaargh, now dh_python3 errors out *-.-
[12:33] <Riddell> seaLne: actually maverick probably isn't ready for testing yet, some important packages to go still
[12:34] <seaLne> Riddell: ok i'll comment out the link atm and can add it back in with a real link when its announced
[12:34] <Riddell> seaLne: yeah, thanks
[12:34] <yofel> Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/551046/
[12:36] <yofel> Quintasan: as for what I did: revert all our previous changes, and change line 226 into         dst_fn = os.path.join(src_dir, *f)
[12:43] <shadeslayer> what the flippin foobar is up with my connection
[12:43] <shadeslayer> im getting 40KBps ... i should be getting 60 KBps
[12:45] <Trouble> I smell 4.6 RC2 close... :-D
[12:45] <Riddell> Trouble: natty testers needed
[12:45] <Trouble> Riddell: I'm still on Maverick at the moment - sorry ;-)
[12:46] <Riddell> ok, I'll let you know when maverick is needing testing
[12:46] <Trouble> Thanks dude :)
[12:46] <Trouble> I'm keeping an eye on the Wiki anyway
[12:48]  * shadeslayer is still upgrading
[12:48] <shadeslayer> 3 hours 30 mins remaining :P
[12:48] <shadeslayer> for some reason im getting only half my bandwidth
[13:01] <yofel> Quintasan: tried it?
[13:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: it would be most handy if libqapt had a dbg package... :S
[13:18] <Quintasan> yofel: nah, just finished eating
[13:18] <Quintasan> :S
[13:18] <markey> heya, is an RC2 backport in the works?
[13:18] <markey> would love to try :)
[13:19] <Riddell> markey: yes indeed, I can let you know when it's ready for testing
[13:20] <markey> Riddell: great, thanks :)
[13:21] <Quintasan> HUH
[13:21] <Quintasan> yofel: it built
[13:22] <Quintasan> trying once again
[13:22] <Quintasan> I'm building it in mah sid pbuilder
[13:22] <yofel> ah, natty fails with it trying to put 3.1 and 3.2 libs into a 3 folder :S
[13:24] <Quintasan> however sip.so is not installed
[13:25] <Quintasan> I wonder why
[13:27] <Quintasan> wtf
[13:27] <Quintasan> maybe cdbs is bugged
[13:42] <Quintasan> oh great
[13:42] <Quintasan> yofel: a bug in dh_python3
[13:43] <Quintasan> HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
[13:43] <Quintasan> Riddell: it seems we're not getting sip  today
[13:43] <yofel> so it wasn't just my system being weird :(
[13:44] <Riddell> Quintasan: a debhelper script to blame?
[13:44] <yofel> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/551046/
[13:44] <Quintasan> Riddell: looks like it, POX said he will fix it
[13:45] <Quintasan> hah
[13:45] <Quintasan> and we can't use --install-layout=deb
[13:45] <Quintasan> because it doesnt use setup.py
[13:46] <Quintasan> Riddell: can we grab stuff from experimental?
[13:46] <Riddell> Quintasan: if we want to sure
[13:47] <Quintasan> We're not getting sip if we don't sync it
[13:47] <Riddell> file a sync request bug and point me at it (once you've confirmed that fixes the issue)
[13:47] <Quintasan> bug in dh_python3 and as POX said, we can't use  --install-layout=deb because setup.py is not used in sip
[13:48] <Riddell> POX is the dh_python3 author?
[13:48] <Quintasan> duuno, he said he will fix it and we should wait for new python3-defaults upload in experimental
[13:49] <Riddell> ok, some waiting then I guess
[13:50] <Quintasan> I'm off to homework then
[13:52] <Riddell> thanks Quintasan
[14:10] <JontheEchidna> yofel: hmm, I'll investigate. I may end up reverting it if I can't fix that, as to avoid a regression
[14:10] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: qapt-dbg
[14:10] <apachelogger> oh
[14:10]  * apachelogger was looking for libqapt :D
[14:10] <JontheEchidna> I named the source package qapt since it also ships apt-utils
[14:11] <apachelogger> same thing happene with VLC :D
[14:11] <JontheEchidna> *qapt-utils
[14:11] <JontheEchidna> *qapt-batch
[14:11]  * JontheEchidna just woke up
[14:11]  * apachelogger needs a random ppa to test
[14:20] <apachelogger> aha
[14:21] <apachelogger> it crashes in an iterator
[14:21]  * shadeslayer throws ppa:darthvader towards apachelogger
[14:21]  * apachelogger does not think he wants to touch this
[14:21] <apachelogger> what a large stack
[14:21] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/551084/
[14:21] <apachelogger> add some ppa with updates
[14:21] <apachelogger> then start muon-update
[14:22] <apachelogger> apply or whatever it is called
[14:22] <apachelogger> authenticate
[14:22] <apachelogger> warning comes up
[14:22] <apachelogger> *cancel* the warning
[14:22] <apachelogger> crash
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> hrmhrm
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> 1.0.60 is a bit old
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> and I think I fixed some bugs related to that sort of crash
[14:23] <apachelogger> oh
[14:23] <apachelogger> well
[14:24] <apachelogger> where did I get this package from :P
[14:24] <apachelogger> clearly one of your deployments is out of date :P
[14:24] <apachelogger> or maybe I built that myself
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> maybe
[14:24] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1212315 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/package.cpp Use a pkgTagSection object from libapt-pkg to parse the control field instead of rolling our own.
[14:24] <apachelogger> my system is fckd I would not be surprised at all ^^
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> for natty, 1.0.90 is in the archive and 1.0.95 is in new queue
[14:24] <shadeslayer> hehe ... likewise here
[14:24] <yofel> hm, here the 'Quit' button in muon-updater does absolutely nothing
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> for maverick, I have 1.0.95 in the qapt-ppa
[14:25] <apachelogger> hm
[14:25] <apachelogger> probably an own install then
[14:25] <yofel> hm... ooops, I'm using ppa muon from maverick in natty
[14:25]  * yofel needs to update package pins
[14:26] <apachelogger> hm
[14:26] <apachelogger> you know
[14:27] <apachelogger> this world needs a filepreview plugin thing for debs
[14:27] <apachelogger> or more in particular a metadata eater for dolphin
[14:27] <apachelogger> so the sidebar shows all the control info
[14:27] <apachelogger> anyone fancy doing a MIR for vlc?
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> I'd use a library that got infos on .deb files
[14:28] <apachelogger> one would need to write one
[14:28] <apachelogger> as there is none
[14:28] <apachelogger> there is only dpkg-deb which does not use a library but has all the plunder inside
[14:29] <apachelogger> also it is rather scary code
[14:29]  * apachelogger once looked into creating a qdpkg lib and quickly abandoned the thought ^^
[14:29] <yofel> hm, click on 'install updates' -> authenticate -> cancel download -> you can't quit muon-update anymore without killing it
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> speaking of scary APT-related code, I was surprised that my patch broke APT's ABI: http://lists.debian.org/deity/2011/01/msg00014.html
[14:30] <apachelogger> adds
[14:30] <apachelogger> virtual methods which manifests directly as an ABI break
[14:30] <apachelogger> wah?
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> yofel: I make it so that you can't close Muon in the middle of the updates.  It could be that canceling somehow doesn't un-do that, though I thought I fixed that already
[14:31]  * apachelogger does not see how an addition to the vtable would break ABI seeing as the othe rentries would remain the same
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> hmm, nope, I can reproduce it here too :(
[14:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I think that you should only ask for auth *after* showing the unauthenticated packgaes dialog
[14:32] <apachelogger> if at all possible
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> I should just need to move the auth call
[14:33] <apachelogger> I suppose that would also prevent that state logic problem with quiting
[14:34] <apachelogger> it is a bit odd anyway that it asks me to authenticate that action and then goes "dude, are you aware that the action you just gave permission for could break your system and stuff?!?!?"
[14:34] <apachelogger> that is like luring the user into a trap
[14:34] <apachelogger> "ha! got ya! you were not careful and now I would have broken your system haw haw!"
[14:36] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1212320 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/MuonMainWindow.cpp I didn't mean for this break statement to be here. It was causing m_canExit to still be false after a UserCancelError
[14:41] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1212322 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/worker/worker.cpp Only ask for the passwords after we're sure we can start downloading. (After untrusted, disk space error, etc, dialogs)
[14:48] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1212324 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/MuonMainWindow.cpp Reset actions from all disabled when encountering AuthErrors.
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> moving where the auth is asked for sort've reveals that this while loop takes 3 seconds to execute: http://paste.ubuntu.com/551095/
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> will have to investigate that. it's probably sending over every package that should be kept. maybe I can get away with not doing that
[15:48] <stalcup> I keep failing at these new fan dangled ppa's
[15:48] <yofel> we don't have that many ^^
[15:50] <stalcup> right
[15:51] <stalcup> but's i'm used to the old school ppa
[15:51] <stalcup> for instance, what goes in the dput.cf?
[15:52] <yofel> stalcup: take my ppas as a reference http://paste.ubuntu.com/551121/
[15:52] <stalcup> thanks
[15:53] <stalcup> so it should be kubuntu-ppa vs kubuntu-ppa/ppa?
[15:55] <shadeslayer> well ..
[15:55] <yofel> if you want to upload to updates it should be 'incoming = ~kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu' for beta ~kubuntu-ppa/beta/ubuntu etc..
[15:55] <shadeslayer> ppa:kubuntu-ppa is the same as ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[15:56] <stalcup> sweet, just put that in
[15:56] <stalcup> I have all these 4.5.5 packages with no place to go with them
[15:57] <yofel> wasn't it decided for them to go to staging?
[15:57] <stalcup> I'm just folllowing Riddell's direction
[15:57] <yofel> iirc he said staging
[15:58] <stalcup> for 4.5.5
[15:58] <yofel> because ppa would be where they'll land in for release
[15:58] <stalcup> grrrr
[15:58] <stalcup> okay
[15:58] <yofel> let me check the log
[15:58] <shadeslayer> stalcup: why would you exchange a MBP for a thinkpad? 0_O
[15:59] <shadeslayer> i mean ... MBP's are unibody aluminum and all sorts of bling
[15:59] <Riddell> stalcup: you don't need to edit dput.cf now, just you ppa:
[15:59] <Riddell> to upload to staging use  ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging
[15:59] <stalcup> okay
[15:59]  * yofel goes cleaning out staging first
[15:59] <yofel> still has 4.5.80
[15:59] <shadeslayer> oi
[15:59] <shadeslayer> well
[15:59] <shadeslayer> ok .. clean out 4.5.80
[16:00] <stalcup> shadeslayer: because no linux on the mbp
[16:00] <shadeslayer> stalcup: what? .... seriously ? *buntu doesnt work?
[16:00] <stalcup> nope
[16:00] <yofel> shadeslayer: anything you still need there?
[16:00] <shadeslayer> :O
[16:00] <shadeslayer> yofel: nope .. upgrading to RC2, so dont delete that
[16:00]  * shadeslayer flips out
[16:00] <yofel> I'm not cleaning ninjas :P
[16:00] <shadeslayer> oh STAGING
[16:01] <shadeslayer> my bad
[16:01] <Riddell> yes, we're using staging for 4.5.5
[16:01] <shadeslayer> right ..
[16:01] <yofel> stalcup: you'll probably have to wait a while until launchpad doesn't reject your uploads
[16:01] <stalcup> so many new people :/ (except for shadeslayer)
[16:01] <shadeslayer> stalcup: and i was planning on buying one :'( .... whats the issue?
[16:02] <shadeslayer> new? who's new?
[16:02] <stalcup> shadeslayer: It's a kernel issue, doesn't play nice with the hardware
[16:02] <stalcup> shadeslayer: I've been on a year long hiatus
[16:02] <shadeslayer> ah
[16:02] <stalcup> and we have fremen too
[16:03] <yofel> laaauuuunnnncccchhhhpaaaaaaaaaad Timeout error
[16:03] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[16:03] <shadeslayer> oh that reminds me
[16:03]  * shadeslayer needs to talk to asax
[16:03] <shadeslayer> er
[16:03] <shadeslayer> *asac
[16:03] <yofel> about?
[16:03] <benste> shadeslayer: i've only tried #kubunut-dev - before :-)
[16:03] <shadeslayer> yofel: plasma-mobile on Linaro etc
[16:04] <shadeslayer> benste: \o
[16:04] <shadeslayer> yofel: on anroid
[16:04] <yofel> ah
[16:04] <benste> shadeslayer: recommited - got your phone rining agin ?
[16:04] <shadeslayer> yep
[16:04] <shadeslayer> one sec
[16:04] <benste> https://code.launchpad.net/~benste/kdeedu/bugfix-lp-698056/+merge/45404
[16:05] <yofel> stalcup: staging cleaned out, you should be able to upload in an hour or so (not sure how long launchpad needs to delete stuff)
[16:06] <yofel> stalcup: keep an eye on repository size on https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+packages - that should be 0
[16:06] <stalcup> cool, thanks yofel
[16:10] <agateau> today live cd installer fails after I enter my login info, is it a known bug?
[16:11] <benste> shadeslayer:  got it ?
[16:12] <shadeslayer> benste: need to fix again ... no need to include the new change in changelog
[16:12] <benste> lol
[16:12] <shadeslayer> so essetially ... remove the ppa3 entry :P
[16:12] <benste> give me a second
[16:12] <shadeslayer> sure
[16:12]  * shadeslayer needs some awesum HTML5 designers
[16:13] <yofel> yay
[16:13] <yofel> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdewallpapers_4%3a4.5.95-0ubuntu1~ppa1_all.deb (--unpack):
[16:13] <yofel>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/wallpapers/Ethais/metadata.desktop', which is also in package kdebase-workspace-wallpapers 4:4.5.90-0ubuntu1
[16:13]  * yofel goes fixing
[16:14] <benste> shadeslayer: please check out https://code.launchpad.net/~benste/kdeedu/bugfix-lp-698056/+merge/45408
[16:15]  * shadeslayer waits for LP to update Diff
[16:16]  * stalcup waits for LP to function like a sane creature
[16:17] <yofel> stalcup: nope, won't happen
[16:17] <stalcup> hehe
[16:18] <benste> shadeslayer: LP now shows the changes https://code.launchpad.net/~benste/kdeedu/bugfix-lp-698056/+merge/45408
[16:18] <shadeslayer> one sec :)
[16:18] <yofel> shadeslayer: shouldn't the changelog of that merge be merged with ppa1 so we just have one ubuntu1 changelog?
[16:19] <yofel> we'll throw the ~ppaX away anyway
[16:21] <shadeslayer> well
[16:21] <shadeslayer> that can be done as well
[16:21] <benste> can or ust ?
[16:21] <benste> must
[16:22] <shadeslayer> but since the packaging used ppa1 anyways .. so id say go with ppa2 for now with UNRELEASED
[16:22] <yofel> Riddell: ^
[16:22] <yofel> wondering myself what's right here..
[16:22] <yofel> esp. since that applies to my next merge too :P
[16:23] <benste> how could you merge to changes in the changelog if they're done by different persons ?
[16:23] <benste> doesn't make sense for me
[16:23] <yofel> dch (without -i)
[16:24] <yofel> benste: it'll look like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/551142/
[16:25] <benste> :-)
[16:25] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1212354 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/package.cpp We aren't using this QString anymore
[16:25] <shadeslayer> CES Started \o/
[16:27] <stalcup> damn you ppa and your need for different sources despite being different ppas!
[16:27] <benste> shadeslayer: is there anything else I'll have to do now ?
[16:28] <shadeslayer> stalcup: lol
[16:28] <shadeslayer> benste: nope, just commit and push :)
[16:36] <Riddell> agateau: not know, I've not tried live CDs this decade
[16:37] <agateau> Riddell: so I assume the alternate cd is the way to go
[16:39] <Riddell> worth a shot
[16:39] <Riddell> more reliable would be alpha 1 then dist-upgrade
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> The most recent changes to the kubuntu_52 patch in kdebase-workspace need to be reverted for the maverick backports. They're causing kde bug 261290
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> might be what Quintasan was suffering from
[16:45] <yofel> Riddell: so what should I use? seperate changelog entry or merged one?
[16:46] <Riddell> yofel: for kdeedu?
[16:46] <Riddell> sorry, I just merged kdeedu, didn't see you were onto it
[16:46] <yofel> no, I'm working on artwork, edu was benste
[16:46] <Riddell> oh right, add to the ~ppa1 changelog
[16:46] <Riddell> ~ppa1 there is just my lazy way of doing the same thing as UNRELEASED
[16:47] <Riddell> just saves me from doing one more edit
[16:47] <yofel> good :)
[16:50] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: hmm, ok
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> otherwise we'd have to do backports of gtk2-engines-oxygen and kubuntu-default-settings
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> I think it's just easier to make it a nice little feature that you get with 11.04 :P
[16:53] <Riddell> yes
[16:53] <yofel> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdeartwork/4.5.95_2/+merge/45415
[16:53] <yofel> (and did you merge my other branches?)
[16:54] <Riddell> no, I'll do that now
[16:54] <yofel> I'll upload that to ninjas in the meanwhile
[17:01] <Riddell> I'm uploading kde-l10n to natty and maverick kubuntu-ppa/beta
[17:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: the kdeedu package relation change is wrong
[17:11] <Riddell> oh?
[17:11] <apachelogger> as I indicated in the associated bug report :P
[17:11] <apachelogger> parley uses kross
[17:12] <Riddell> hmm
[17:12] <Riddell> this is what I get for doing three things at once
[17:12] <apachelogger> I know the feeling ;)
[17:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: someone mismerged
[17:14] <apachelogger> 4.5 had Recommends: krosspython
[17:14] <apachelogger> Suggests: khelpcenter4
[17:14] <stalcup> anyone got space to share on their server for some steve irssi?
[17:14] <apachelogger> which is wrong anyway as it should be krosspython, krossruby
[17:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you upload that already?
[17:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: nope
[17:17]  * apachelogger wonders why that carries a ~ppa suffix too
[17:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: fixing then
[17:17] <Riddell> thanks
[17:17] <Riddell> 16:46 < Riddell> ~ppa1 there is just my lazy way of doing the same thing as UNRELEASED
[17:17] <apachelogger> my oh my
[17:17] <apachelogger> :P
[17:18] <apachelogger> oh
[17:18] <apachelogger> actually it still reocmmends krosspython
[17:18]  * apachelogger greps as parley upstream is not responsive
[17:19] <apachelogger> aha
[17:19] <apachelogger> it uses pyqt too
[17:19] <stalcup> these ppa's are killing me
[17:19] <Riddell> stalcup: what are they doing to you?
[17:19] <apachelogger> and pykde
[17:20] <stalcup> they keep saying they have already been uploaded
[17:20] <stalcup> I can stage them on my server if that helps
[17:20] <Riddell> stalcup: hmm, I wonder if it's not cleared out the deleted packages yet
[17:20] <stalcup> ah, I'll wait a while then
[17:20] <Riddell> I hear it takes a whole day
[17:21] <Riddell> would be nice to get 4.5.5 going before then
[17:21] <stalcup> Ohmy
[17:21] <stalcup> I'll upload to my server then
[17:22] <Riddell> stalcup: uploading source and binaries?
[17:22] <yofel> stalcup: try again
[17:22] <stalcup> If needed, yes
[17:22] <yofel> if it still fails you'll have to wait a day I guess :S
[17:23] <Riddell> stalcup: hmm, how about we set up an ec2 server to use? then we can all have access
[17:24] <stalcup> Riddell: sounds good to me
[17:24] <yofel> stalcup: does it still fail?
[17:24] <stalcup> yes
[17:25] <yofel> meh, ti does show 0 as repository size since a few minutes ago but I guess it didn't delete the sources :/
[17:25] <stalcup> hmm
[17:26] <Riddell> yeah I think it keeps them in the database for a while, most annoying
[17:27] <CIA-39> [kdeedu] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (KUBUNTU-DEBIAN-DIFFERENCES changelog control) * debian/control: add python-kde4 as recommends for parley (LP:#698056) * Also recommend krossruby and libkde4-ruby as plugins can be anything and Parley currently does not handle missing frameworks (at all)
[17:27] <stalcup> [PPA kubuntu-ppa] [ubuntu/maverick] kdebase-workspace 4:4.5.5-0ubuntu1~ppa1 (Accepted)
[17:27] <yofel> eeek, wrong ppa
[17:27] <stalcup> phhooey
[17:28] <apachelogger> ppa here, ppa there, ppas are broken everywhere
[17:28] <shadeslayer> it will probably explode in a million pieces
[17:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: kdeedu all fixed up
[17:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: yo da man
[17:28] <shadeslayer> its fun when you can just /ignore people and they have no idea what you just did :>
[17:30] <Riddell> stalcup: ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:30] <stalcup> ok, thanks Riddell
[17:31] <yofel> Riddell: should I try to get rid of the few 4.5.5 packages in updates before they're built?
[17:31] <Riddell> yofel: how?
[17:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, shadeslayer and I claimed review, it is rather hurtful that you just went ahead and merged :(
[17:32] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:33] <yofel> well, delete them, depends on what's better: missing 4.5.4 packages or a 4.5.4/4.5.5 mixture
[17:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: heck even i thought the review looked good
[17:33] <shadeslayer> but apparently it was missing r00bies
[17:33] <apachelogger> that is because you are all not active enough up the stream and have a beer or two with parley developers :P
[17:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: yeah, sorry, doing too many things today :(
[17:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: im trying to be
[17:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: teach me new stuff :P
[17:34] <Riddell> yofel: what got uploaded?
[17:34] <yofel> Riddell: kdelibs kdebase and kdebase-workspace
[17:34] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: not really, the oxygen-gtk is selected there
[17:35] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: but it isn't used
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: the startkde script makes the gtkrc not exported as a GTK config file
[17:35] <Riddell> yofel: I'd think we're best off just hoping that stalcup did the packaging right :)
[17:35] <Quintasan> more importantly some retard undid my overclock in BIOS
[17:35] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: :/
[17:35] <yofel> he did the versions wrong :S
[17:35] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: what do we do about this?
[17:35] <yofel> 4:4.5.5-0ubuntu1
[17:35]  * shadeslayer needs to switch to verizons 100Gbps networks to do anything now
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: you need something in ~/.kde/env/ that does this: export GTK2_RC_FILES=$HOME/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4
[17:36] <yofel> stalcup: that should have a ~maverick1~ppa1 at the end
[17:36] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: are you using natty or maverick?
[17:36] <Quintasan> natty
[17:36] <JontheEchidna> ok, then it's because I was waiting for the gtk2-engines-oxygen MIR to upload changes to kubuntu-default-settings
[17:36] <stalcup> I know :(
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> the changes provide a new file to replace the one that used to be in ~/.kde/env/ that startkde deletes
[17:37] <Riddell> stalcup, yofel: that version number isn't ideal but shouldn't be a problem in reality, if 4.5.5 ever goes into maverick-updates is can be uploaded with -0ubuntu2
[17:37] <yofel> ok
[17:38] <stalcup> I should have used ppa2
[17:42] <stalcup> woo hoo, staging works Riddell
[17:48] <yofel> stalcup: can you fix the versions for the other packages at least?
[17:48] <stalcup> I'll go back and do that in two shakes
[17:48] <stalcup> yofel: although it isn't a big deal
[17:48] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna:
[17:49] <Quintasan> [~]% cat .kde/env/gtk_stuff.sh                                                                (quintasan@nightwalker:~)
[17:49] <Quintasan> export GTK2_RC_FILES=$HOME/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4
[17:49] <Quintasan> is this enough?
[17:49] <JontheEchidna> should be, yes
[17:49] <JontheEchidna> might need a re-login
[17:49] <yofel> stalcup: sure, but wouldn't hurt if at least the other ones were in -0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1 form
[17:49] <stalcup> yofel: agreed
[17:50] <apachelogger> Quintasan, JontheEchidna: if done in a shell and then excuting a gtk app from that shell no relogin is necessary
[17:51] <Quintasan> hurf durf
[17:51] <Quintasan> still no numlock on KDM
[17:51] <apachelogger> ossi doesnt use numlock
[17:51] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: works <3
[17:52] <JontheEchidna> http://knowyourmeme.com/system/icons/1253/original/everything_went_better_than_expected.jpg?1257510959
[17:54] <Quintasan> now I need to wait for sip magic to auto-fix itself
[17:54] <skamster> hello all again.. i've got one more question on using pykde and the plasma-part.. if i call a abstract parent-class in my standalone-code (which isn't using plasma) and print this with "toString", i became that result: <class 'adressplugins.AdressPlugin.AdressPlugin'>
[17:54] <skamster> hello all again.. i've got one more question on using pykde and the plasma-part.. if i call a abstract parent-class in my standalone-code (which isn't using plasma) and print this with "toString", i became that result: <class 'adressplugins.AdressPlugin.AdressPlugin'>
[17:54] <skamster> if i do the same in my widget, i became that result: <class 'applet_Multimobilewidget.adressplugins.AdressPlugin.AdressPlugin'>
[17:55] <skamster> sorry for the doube-message
[17:55] <Quintasan> Riddell: piiing
[17:55] <Riddell> hi Quintasan
[17:55] <Quintasan> Riddell: POX said he will push the python3-defaults soon
[17:55] <Quintasan> http://alioth.debian.org/scm/loggerhead/pkg-python/python3-defaults-debian/changes
[17:55] <Riddell> great
[17:56] <Riddell> skamster: is the import line different?
[17:57] <Riddell> stalcup: it got accepted into staging?
[17:57] <skamster> Riddell: yes, exactly
[17:57] <skamster> i don't know where it came from
[18:01] <skamster> Riddell: sorry, my answer was wrong, i'm a bit tired.. no, it's exactly the same i mean
[18:01] <skamster> so that couldn't it be
[18:01] <stalcup> Riddell: yes, it did
[18:05] <Riddell> stalcup: I'll kill the ec2 machine then
[18:06] <skamster> http://pastebin.com/bfXFHiZX it's on line 52 and on line 58
[18:06] <stalcup> ok Riddell, thanks anyways
[18:07] <skamster> http://pastebin.com/KMeNN65i and here it's on line 27 and 32
[18:07] <Riddell> stalcup: (unless you have some need of it)
[18:07] <skamster> the first is the plasma-one, the second the standalone
[18:07] <stalcup> Riddell: nope
[18:08] <skamster> and on some places is a bit of test-code, but it isn't relevant in that case, i think
[18:10] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1212370 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/package.cpp pkgDepCache::GetCandidateVer() should be more robust against failure than using a CandidateVerIter BUG:262262 FIXED-IN:1.1.0
[18:11] <skamster> Riddell: when you've got a idea you would me make very happy - i'm searching really long for that issue..
[18:13] <Riddell> skamster: I'm afraid I don't, but does it really misspell "address"?
[18:15] <skamster> ah, yes.. in german, a address is called adresse.. i think it's a typo because of that
[18:15] <skamster> :)
[18:19] <Riddell> skamster: well I guess it's a feature of python's namespaces and I expect python programmers would know, today I'm a packager and not really in the python mood though
[18:19] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1212371 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/package.cpp Constructing a QLatin1String with a null const char pointer will yield an empty QString anyways, so there's really no reason to check.
[18:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you remember the flick scrolling preview you showed me eons ago?
[18:20] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1212372 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/package.cpp Fix Package::priority not working at all due to a faulty validity check
[18:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i can probably do it
[18:21] <apachelogger> why shouldnt you, if I did :P
[18:21]  * apachelogger goes lunching though
[18:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: wait
[18:22] <shadeslayer> one sec
[18:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but the video you sent me, that was acutally implemented?
[18:22] <shadeslayer> because i was looking at http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2008/11/15/flick-list-or-kinetic-scrolling/
[18:22] <apachelogger> yes
[18:22] <apachelogger> do you think I would mockup a video? :O
[18:22] <shadeslayer> then why did you not send in a patch? :P
[18:23] <apachelogger> you did not ask for it :P
[18:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well .... send one nao :P
[18:24]  * apachelogger is hungry!
[18:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and what class did you use?
[18:24] <apachelogger> also I dunno where the code is
[18:24] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[18:24] <shadeslayer> ok ... just tell me which class you used
[18:24] <shadeslayer> ah
[18:24] <apachelogger> I think I wrote wrong
[18:24] <shadeslayer> well
[18:25] <apachelogger> s/wrong/one
[18:25] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[18:26] <apachelogger> that flickcharm stuff looks very similar
[18:26] <apachelogger> looks good
[18:26] <shadeslayer> aye
[18:26] <apachelogger> I would use that
[18:26] <apachelogger> I would also go eat something
[18:26] <apachelogger> oh
[18:26] <apachelogger> I am
[18:26] <apachelogger> o/
[18:26] <shadeslayer> but .... its experimental
[18:26] <shadeslayer> cya
[18:26]  * shadeslayer tries anyways
[18:30] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1212373 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/cache.cpp These checks are already performed by pkgCacheFile, and we would already have returned if they were true by the time we do the redundant checks.
[18:34] <Riddell> ooh, 4.5.95 is working!
[18:34] <skamster> Riddell: thanks anyway :)
[18:37] <ximion> hi there :P
[18:37] <ximion> I packaged debconf-kde for Debian, but the Debian KDE team is too buisy to upload it at time. But the package might be something you can use in Kubuntu...
[18:38] <ximion> ... it provides all necessary stuff to make PackageKit tools like KPackageKit and pkcon display KDE dialogs for Debconf
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> !info libdebconf-kde0
[18:38] <ximion> (the version currently in Ubuntu's repositories doesn't do this)
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> oh
[18:39] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I suppose we could merge
[18:39] <ximion> JontheEchidna: I added some extra stuf... package was reviewed by the Debian KDE team
[18:39] <ximion> The proble  is it is not in Debian atm.
[18:40] <ximion> *problem
[18:40] <ximion> if you want it in Ubuntu, I will change the naming an upload it to REVU
[18:40] <stalcup> I can advocatee
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> ximion: I don't think you need to change the name
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> we might as well change if Debian is going to go along with the other name
[18:41] <ximion> JontheEchidna: I was told to change the source package name, cause it contains a lib _and_ an executable.
[18:41] <ximion> dget http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/d/debconf-kde/debconf-kde_0.1+git20101209-1.dsc
[18:42] <ximion> currently the package is prepared for Debian.
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> one thing I noticed is that the dbg package is named libdebconf-kde-dbg, but it contains dbg symbols for both the lib and the helper
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> I would personally suggest taking a similar route with the -dbg package naming that you did with the source package naming
[18:44] <ximion> JontheEchidna: Should I create two debug packages? I think one is enough, so is it okay if I just change the name?
[18:44] <JontheEchidna> One is enough, certainly
[18:46] <ximion> I'll mark debconf-kde-dbg as conflicting with libdebconf-kde-dbg
[18:47] <stalcup> oxygen icons sux0r
[18:48] <Riddell> markey: rc 2 should be ready to test now on maverick if you're feeling brave
[18:48] <Riddell> Trouble: want tot est?
[18:48] <Riddell> Trouble: want to test?
[18:56] <Trouble> Riddell: Hey! Yes please... Ninjas?
[18:56] <Riddell> Trouble: yes, do you have access?
[18:56] <Trouble> Yes thanks :)
[18:56] <Riddell> great, you're the first tester so if it all blows up in your face, do let us know
[18:56]  * yofel has 4.5.95 installed and waits for his VM to finish something so he can logout...
[18:57] <Trouble> Lol
[18:57] <Riddell> yofel: natty or maverick?
[18:57] <Trouble> If I can get back in here :
[18:57] <Trouble> D
[18:57] <yofel> natty
[18:57] <Trouble> Can I have your personal phone number? :-p
[18:57] <yofel> I'll do some maverick testing in a VM later
[18:58] <Riddell> please add test results to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[18:58] <Trouble> I just gotta finish this upgrade (non Kubuntu related) at work, then I'll be on it
[18:58] <Riddell> I'm going out for a couple of hours, all being well I'll upload to natty and copy to kubuntu-ppa/beta for maverick when I get back
[18:58] <Riddell> (or anyone else can if they want to before then)
[18:58] <yofel> without bindings?
[18:59] <Riddell> yeah, we'll just have to live with pykde not being entirely up to date
[18:59] <yofel> k
[18:59] <dantti> Riddell: did you take a look at the Qt patch? since when Apper supports listing from repos it will probably crash ...
[18:59] <Riddell> dantti: sorry two KDE releases this week means I haven't had time yet, it's next on my todo list and I will get to it tomorrow
[18:59] <Riddell> dantti: settled on "Apper" then?
[19:00] <dantti> Riddell: ok np
[19:00] <dantti> Riddell: yes, it has a some nice new features..
[19:01] <Trouble> Packages downloaded (Fetched 79.3MB in 56s) :-p
[19:01] <dantti> Riddell: a bit new ui http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/7448/plasmadesktopqh1558.png
[19:01] <dantti> more horz space
[19:02] <dantti> Riddell: and some nice options for notebooks and mobile network connections http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2090/plasmadesktopqq1558.png
[19:15] <Quintasan> Riddell: Did you upgrade that python3 stuff?
[19:15] <Quintasan> or do we wait till it's in Debian and import?
[19:16] <yofel> anyone an idea how I can *not* get this if I intentionally disabled strigi? http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/strigi.png
[19:16] <Trouble> Installed RC2 on Maverick... rebooting....
[19:16] <Quintasan> Trouble: You're dead
[19:16] <Quintasan> :3
[19:16] <Trouble> lol
[19:16] <yofel> ^^
[19:17] <Quintasan> yofel: hey, about those DMA_WRT_FAIL on my hdd
[19:17] <Quintasan> yofel: you said something about cables
[19:18]  * Quintasan is upgrading
[19:18] <Quintasan> Well whatever, I'll look for new SATA cable
[19:19] <Quintasan> maybe the cable is giving me Trouble
[19:19] <yofel> got another one you can exchange it with to test it?
[19:19] <Quintasan> not really
[19:19] <Quintasan> I have another one going to the DVD drive
[19:24] <Trouble> Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[19:24] <Trouble> KDM broken
[19:24] <yofel> whut?
[19:24] <shadeslayer> Trouble: black login screen?
[19:25] <shadeslayer> thats normal
[19:25] <Trouble> "Cannot open theme file /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/ethais"
[19:25] <shadeslayer> its the *new* theme :P
[19:25] <ulysses> is it? I have background in KDM:P
[19:25] <yofel> I have the old background here
[19:25] <shadeslayer> yofel: you had overwrite errors on natty?
[19:25] <ulysses> I had that black background, but somehow it is fixed
[19:25] <shadeslayer> seems to have gone fine here
[19:25] <Trouble> Then kdm quits. Had to use gdm to get in ;-)
[19:25] <yofel> shadeslayer: one
[19:26] <shadeslayer> yofel: upgrade went fine here
[19:26] <yofel> well, I already fixed it, maybe that's why
[19:26] <Trouble> I'm on Maverick btw
[19:26] <shadeslayer> yofel: which package?
[19:26] <yofel> Trouble: do you have kdebase-workspace-wallpapers installed?
[19:26] <yofel> shadeslayer: kdewallpapers <> kdebase-workspace-wallpapers
[19:27] <shadeslayer> nopety nope
[19:27] <yofel> Trouble: at least I get: kdebase-workspace-wallpapers, kdm: /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/ethais
[19:27] <shadeslayer> ah
[19:27] <shadeslayer> i dont have the other package
[19:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/1921
[19:27] <shadeslayer> thats probably why
[19:28] <yofel> yeah
[19:28] <shadeslayer> also ... ill be installing debian ... this week
[19:28] <ulysses> hm, I installe plasma-wallpapers-addons yesterday, that installed a lot dependencies, maybe it fixed the background issue?
[19:28] <shadeslayer> sid + natty + windows 7 = party
[19:28] <Quintasan> well, I'm out of here
[19:28] <shadeslayer> will run KDE trunk on debian
[19:28] <shadeslayer> w00t
[19:28] <yofel> shadeslayer: what do you need sid for?
[19:28] <Quintasan> yofel: If python3 stuff gets updated please retry sip
[19:28] <Trouble> yofel: I don't have kdebase-workspace-wallpapers on - installing now
[19:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: fun stuff
[19:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: rolling release etc
[19:29] <Quintasan> yofel: http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/sip/
[19:29] <yofel> ah
[19:29] <Quintasan> yofel: This should make it work
[19:29] <yofel> Quintasan: sure
[19:29] <Trouble> ...logging out and in again to test :p
[19:29] <shadeslayer> kaboom
[19:29] <shadeslayer> :>
[19:29] <shadeslayer> need2restart too
[19:29] <shadeslayer> cya
[19:31] <yofel> stalcup: can you please upload an up-to-date meta-kde to staging? best you follow https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph when uploading things
[19:31] <yofel> Trouble: the world didn't end?
[19:31] <Trouble> I now have the black kdm background \o/ At least it works :D
[19:32] <yofel> odd one, I'll try this in my VM later
[19:33] <stalcup> yofel: what do you mean?
[19:34] <yofel> stalcup: pretty much all packages need 'kde-sc-dev-latest' which is part of meta-kde to build, look at the kdebase build failure
[19:34] <yofel> you can use meta-kde from kubuntu-ppa/ppa and update that
[19:35] <stalcup> I'm sorry, havent done anything like this in over a year
[19:35] <yofel> np, I forgot meta too in the beginning..
[19:36] <stalcup> ah, the deps graph
[19:36] <stalcup> yeah, i'll fix it when I'm done
[19:37] <stalcup> should go into dep wait though
[19:37] <yofel> it did I think
[19:39] <shadeslayer> kabooom
[19:40] <shadeslayer> yofel: lol i had to start X and then startkde after exporting DISPLAY ... something is borked
[19:40] <shadeslayer> could not find /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/ethais
[19:41] <shadeslayer> well
[19:41] <yofel> doesn't that folder exist at all or...
[19:41] <yofel> ?
[19:41] <shadeslayer> dunno
[19:41] <shadeslayer> lemme see
[19:42] <shadeslayer> ah
[19:42] <shadeslayer> /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/ethais/wallpapers/ has 2 files
[19:42] <shadeslayer> dunno why they arent picked up
[19:42] <shadeslayer> also
[19:42] <shadeslayer> OMFG
[19:42] <yofel> shadeslayer: are the symlinks broken or not?
[19:42] <shadeslayer> rekonq is now phast
[19:43] <shadeslayer> lemme check
[19:43] <apachelogger> plenty of umeshu makes apachelogger very happy
[19:44] <shadeslayer> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 65 2011-01-07 00:48 /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/ethais/wallpapers/background-1920x1200.png -> ../../../../../../wallpapers/Ethais/contents/images/1920x1200.png
[19:44] <Trouble> shadeslayer: have you got kdebase-workspace-wallpapers installed?
[19:44] <shadeslayer> nopety nope
[19:44] <shadeslayer> do i really need that?
[19:44] <Trouble> Yes
[19:44] <Trouble> Because it fixed my problem
[19:44] <shadeslayer> ah
[19:44] <Trouble> Or use gdm :-p
[19:44] <shadeslayer> hm
[19:44] <yofel> that's *very* odd though because
[19:44] <yofel> kdewallpapers: /usr/share/wallpapers/Ethais/contents/images/1920x1200.png
[19:44] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:44] <Trouble> Your choice lol
[19:45] <yofel> shadeslayer: do you have kdewallpapers installed?
[19:45] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/1924
[19:45] <shadeslayer> yofel: yes, but i have a update :S
[19:45] <ximion> JontheEchidna: Package is available at REVU.
[19:45] <ximion> whoops, he's gone :P
[19:45] <Trouble> shadeslayer: that's what I had in that dir
[19:45] <shadeslayer> which i do not want to perform
[19:45] <yofel> shadeslayer: that's probably my fix from before I guess
[19:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: try rekonq + KDE 4.6 RC2
[19:46] <shadeslayer> flippin fast
[19:47] <yofel> this starts making less and less sense
[19:47] <yofel> Ethais *was* in kdebase-workspace-wallpapers IIRC, now it's in kdewallpapers (that's the overwrite error I got)
[19:48] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:48] <ximion> stalcup: The debconf-kde package is at revu.
[19:48] <stalcup> ximion: we should really discuss this
[19:49] <stalcup> apachelogger: ^ what say you?
[19:50] <yofel> ah wait, only the *wallpaper* was moved to kdewallpapers - the *theme* is still in kdebase-worspace-wallpapers, so you'll need that too
[19:51] <yofel> how would one fix that? make kdm depend on kdebase-workspace-wallpapers?
[19:53] <ximion> stalcup: Discuss what? The name? The Debian guys wanted the debconf-kde name (for an IMO valid reason), so it might be good to change it in Ubuntu too.
[19:54]  * yofel logs out, see you in rc2! ... maybe. ...hopefully, well, soon anyway
[19:55] <shadeslayer> omg
[19:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: dude, try out rekonq in RC2!
[19:56] <shadeslayer> well
[19:56] <ulysses> where'a the RC2?:\
[19:56] <shadeslayer> build it from git
[19:56] <shadeslayer> ulysses: KDE 4.6 RC2
[19:56] <yofel> ulysses: in ninjas
[19:56] <ulysses> that is problem
[19:56] <shadeslayer> yofel: are you building rekonq from git?
[19:56] <yofel> shadeslayer: no
[19:57] <shadeslayer> aww
[19:57] <shadeslayer> anyhow ... its awesome :D
[19:57] <yofel> shadeslayer: how do I nuke my rekonq UI settings by the way?
[19:57] <yofel> on my eeePC the whole top bar is gone...
[19:57] <shadeslayer> yofel: .kde/share/config/apps/rekonqrc
[19:57] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah that can happen ... did you upgrade it?
[19:58] <yofel> well, it had maverick running and is running natty now so yes
[19:59] <shadeslayer> yep
[19:59] <yofel> hm, rc2 seems mosty fine so far, weather applet still crashes plasma on logout though :S
[19:59] <shadeslayer> yofel: rebuild against new libionweather should fix that
[20:00] <yofel> oh? I'll try
[20:00] <shadeslayer> yeah it usually needs a rebuilt
[20:00] <shadeslayer> *rebuild
[20:01] <yofel> erm, that applet is part of kdeplasma-addons though...
[20:01] <shadeslayer> oh ...
[20:01] <yofel> well, it was reported upstream, just didn't keep track of it
[20:01] <yofel> probably still not fixed
[20:02] <apachelogger> stalcup: I say that I am the drunk
[20:02] <apachelogger> stalcup: aslo debconf-kde is already in teh archives
[20:02] <apachelogger> used by muon and kpk
[20:02] <yofel> I'm somewhat astonished that activities actually work in 4.6 o.O
[20:02] <stalcup> what;s new
[20:03] <apachelogger> so what is ximion proposing?
[20:05] <ximion> apachelogger: I packaged debconf-kde for Debian (new packaging), which provides some bugfixes etc. as well as a new tool to make PackageKit show Debconf KDE dialogs as needed.
[20:06] <stalcup> can I get the wholw source package?
[20:06] <stalcup> wait, nm
[20:06] <ximion> The Debian KDE team is buisy at time, they can't sponsor the package at time, but they reviewed it - the changes might be useful for Kubuntu, so I adjusted the Debian version and pushed it to REVU
[20:07] <ximion> The feature for the PackageKit command line tools has been added in PackageKit 0.6.11, which is currently in Git and will be available in Debian unstable soon.
[20:08] <ximion> dget http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/debconf-kde-1101062039/debconf-kde_0.1+git20101209-0ubuntu1.dsc
[20:09] <ximion> (btw: REVU complains about a missing watch file, the pkg has a get-orig-source rule to fetch the source from Git (KDE Playground))
[20:13] <apachelogger> ximion: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdebconf-kde
[20:13] <apachelogger> mayb eit is because I am drunk, but I am confused
[20:14] <ximion> apachelogger: It's a repackaging for Debian, which contains some new features, like Debconf KDE dialogs for every software using PackageKit (not only KPK/Apper)
[20:14] <ximion> there are some changes between the package currently in Ubuntu and the new one.
[20:15] <apachelogger> so
[20:15] <apachelogger> why is it calle debconf-kde anyway? :P
[20:15] <ximion> the name was changed, cause some debian devs asked me to do it - the package not only provides libs, but also an executable.
[20:15] <apachelogger> brrr
[20:16] <ximion> I could change the name back, but I'm not sure, if Debian will change too.
[20:16] <apachelogger> nah
[20:16] <apachelogger> ximion: this snapshot does not include translations
[20:17] <ximion> the debconf-kde-dbg package also contains debugging infos for the lib and the helper application.
[20:17] <ximion> yep - are there existing translations?
[20:17]  * yofel is tried of getting wiki internal server errors...
[20:17] <yofel> anyone an idea who I could spam about that?
[20:18] <apachelogger> ximion: since it lives in KDE, yes there are supposedly translations
[20:18] <yofel> Trouble: about the black login background - install kdewallpapers and try again
[20:18] <apachelogger> there are teams who regularly translate playground if they get bored :D
[20:18] <Trouble> Thanks yofel!
[20:20] <apachelogger> ximion: in youbuntoo you should add the pervious changelog and mention all the changes and stuff
[20:20] <apachelogger> since it is not really a new package
[20:20] <yofel> Riddell: see upgrade notes before uploading - kdm needs some fixup, not sure how though
[20:20] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: pokety poke
[20:20] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: its OT in here so PM'ing
[20:21] <apachelogger> ximion: maintainer should be Ubuntu Developers or Kubuntu Developers, you should be XSBC
[20:21] <apachelogger> if you have ubuntu-dev-tools installed update-maintainer will solve that IIRC
[20:21] <ximion> apachelogger: Okay, one moment...
[20:21] <ximion> (I already changed this maintainer stuff, do you have the latest version?)
[20:23] <apachelogger> the one you linked to :P
[20:23]  * apachelogger pulls
[20:23] <apachelogger> ximion: patch needs to be documented in the changelog
[20:24] <ximion> cool, the Ubuntu package has a fetch_translations rule!
[20:25] <ximion> (and also lots of junk in debian/patches)
[20:25] <apachelogger> ximion: the copyright entry for debconf stuff is ombigous as daniel also holds copyright and his ocde is LGPL
[20:25] <apachelogger> ximion: sounds like you should merge the two ;)
[20:25] <apachelogger> otherwise the new packaging looks good anyway
[20:27] <ximion1> apachelogger: You mean the src/DebconfGui.h etc. files are not (c) to Petr Rockai<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:28] <ximion> apachelogger: You mean the src/DebconfGui.h etc. files are not (c) to Petr Rockai<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:29] <ximion> apachelogger: Ah, found danttis license block...
[20:30] <ximion> apachelogger: hmm, ist there a DEP-5 compliant way to inform about this?
[20:32] <ximion> looks like translation is not in Git atm
[20:34] <apachelogger> ximion: dual license I would say
[20:35] <apachelogger> "BSD or LGPL" is it I think
[20:35] <apachelogger> in the license block you then just point out that only parts of it are BSD licensed etc.
[21:17] <ximion> apachelogger: Done.
[21:17] <ximion> apachelogger: You can find the new packaging here: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=8859
[21:28] <Trouble`> RC2 for Maverick installed now I'm home.... rebooting ;-)
[21:30] <apachelogger> ximion: did daniel actually release 0.1 already?
[21:31] <ximion> apachelogger: No, but I asked him to do so :P
[21:31] <apachelogger> then your version number is wrong :P
[21:31] <apachelogger> should be 0.1~git...
[21:32] <apachelogger> ximion: what happened to the patches?
[21:32] <ximion> apachelogger: Applied upstream.
[21:32] <apachelogger> ok
[21:32] <ximion> sorry, version 0.1 is out already, I confused this package with another ojne :P
[21:33] <ximion> apachelogger: the git repo has a 0.1 tag, so there's an 0.1 release and the package version is correct
[21:34] <apachelogger> there is only a release when there was an release
[21:35]  * apachelogger has silly language today
[21:35] <apachelogger> anyhow, before upstream does not publish 0.1 it is not 0.1+
[21:35] <apachelogger> at least for my policy it is not
[21:36] <ximion> apachelogger: As I said, there was a 0.1 release - I only got confused with another package when I said no :P
[21:36] <ximion> so the + is correct
[21:36] <apachelogger> fair enough
[21:36] <apachelogger> where is the tar? :P
[21:36] <ximion> apachelogger: See https://projects.kde.org/news/7
[21:36] <ximion> :P
[21:37] <apachelogger> very unconventional ^^
[21:37] <ximion> I immediately switched to a newer snapshot, cause it had some very important patches, so I stopped begging dantti for a tarball :P
[21:37] <apachelogger> anyone up for a review?
[21:38]  * apachelogger does not want to upload with just one review considering the substantial change
[21:39] <apachelogger> you are all very lazy
[21:39] <apachelogger> Quintasan: ping
[21:42] <yofel> stalcup: how did you upload them?
[21:42] <yofel> and I only see 5 so far
[21:43] <apachelogger> ah
[21:43] <stalcup> dput ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging <source.changes> (Read about uploading)
[21:43] <apachelogger> yofel and stalcup could take a look at debconf-kde :D
[21:43] <apachelogger> there I got you
[21:43] <apachelogger> ha!
[21:43] <apachelogger> :P
[21:44] <stalcup> as a build dep?
[21:44] <yofel> maybe later
[21:45] <stalcup> ah, looked at it
[21:46] <stalcup> apachelogger: advocated
[21:46] <stalcup> I
[21:47] <stalcup> am still trying to figure out my ppa mess
[21:47] <yofel> ppa looks right...
[21:47] <yofel> aaaah, did you already try to upload them? dput skips already uploaded things I think
[21:48] <yofel> remove and .upload files
[21:48] <stalcup> right
[21:48] <yofel> *any
[21:48] <stalcup> no, they were all uploaded regular like
[21:49] <stalcup> the only thing I changed was ~maverick
[21:49] <stalcup> which is the fail I would guess
[21:49] <yofel> checked if they were rejected?
[21:49] <stalcup> all accepted
[21:49] <yofel> ...
[21:50] <stalcup> Riddell: ^ when you have a moment
[21:50] <apachelogger> stalcup: can you testbuild?
[21:50] <stalcup> yus
[21:50]  * apachelogger seems to have a broken natty builder
[21:50] <yofel> stalcup: *SIGH* - you uploaded all other ones to kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[21:51] <stalcup> omg
[21:51] <apachelogger> also I need to hookify the arm builders
[21:51] <apachelogger> eee
[21:51] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa/+packages?start=75&batch=75
[21:51] <apachelogger> so much todo
[21:51] <stalcup> I'll move them
[21:51] <yofel> well, the version is right, so if nothing's broken in your packaging nobody should complain..
[21:59] <stalcup> done
[22:08] <apachelogger> anyone wanna join a skype session?
[22:09]  * stalcup no have skype
[22:10] <apachelogger> stalcup: get it :D
[22:10] <stalcup> apachelogger: ah, ok
[22:10] <stalcup> I had a question about regaining my kubuntu membership - when would be a good timeframe?
[22:11] <apachelogger> ask on skype
[22:11] <apachelogger> I shall give you
[22:11] <stalcup> mind, i just did this https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging
[22:11] <stalcup> ok, hold on
[22:13] <ximion> !info libdebconf-kde-dbg
[22:20] <apachelogger> Nightrose: skype?
[22:23] <Nightrose> apachelogger: sorry - no time atm :(
[22:23] <apachelogger> :(
[22:27] <stalcup> apachelogger: what's you skype info?
[22:27]  * yofel wants kubuntu-membership too :S
[22:27] <yofel> nah, first need to write a usable wiki page
[22:27] <apachelogger> stalcup: apachelogger
[22:27] <apachelogger> what else?
[22:27] <stalcup> yofel: get motu
[22:27] <stalcup> apachelogger: good point
[22:28] <yofel> stalcup: that's scheduled for sometime after that :P
[22:31] <ximion> apachelogger stalcup: Thanks for reviewing debconf-kde!
[22:31] <ximion> apachelogger: I'll be away in a few minutes...
[22:32] <ximion> Are there any plans about Apper, the renamed KPackageKit, in Kubuntu? Is someone working on the packaging?
[22:33] <apachelogger> stalcup: still waiting on a test build :P
[22:34] <apachelogger> stalcup: markey, markey stalcup
[22:40] <apachelogger> ximion: you should become kubuntu member
[22:40] <ximion> apachelogger: How?
[22:41] <apachelogger> make more contributions and apply :D
[22:41] <fenris-web> bugs 694592
[22:42] <fenris-web> apachelogger: any one look into it ?
[22:42] <apachelogger> probably
[22:44] <ximion> apachelogger: At time I make nearly all contributions through Debian...
[22:44] <yofel> fenris-web: try to install kdebase-workspace-wallpapers or kdewallpapers for the kdm background
[22:44] <ximion> (but I always look at Ubuntu to apply all changes too :P)
[22:44] <apachelogger> ximion: so you make contributions ;)
[22:44] <apachelogger> when you think you made enough, apply for membership
[22:45] <yofel> fenris-web: as for the gtk settings a fix was discussed IIRC, should be out for rc2 maybe
[22:46] <fenris-web> yofel: owh ok . thanks for da info ..
[22:46] <fenris-web> eta for rc2 release ? :)
[22:46] <yofel> fenris-web: 'hopefully tomorrow' - with a big hopefully
[22:46] <ximion> apachelogger: Ok... I'll see... At time I think I still have to wait until I really got the "how to do a package right" practice :P
[22:47] <fenris-web> \0/ ... i hope so ..
[22:47] <apachelogger> ximion: kubuntu membership is not about that
[22:47] <apachelogger> ximion: it is about doing something of value for the community
[22:48] <ximion> apachelogger: Since libdebconf-kde-dbg will be left if debconf-kde is uploaded, DAK won't remove the source package... So I'll file a bug to remove the pkg manually tomorrow.
[22:48] <ximion> ...or do you thing a transitional package would be better?
[22:48] <ximion> (IMHO not necessary for an extra priority pkg)
[22:48] <yofel> apachelogger: got some advice when I should try to apply? I've been around for a while, kubuntu only recently though (noticible)
[22:50] <ximion> apachelogger:
[22:50] <ximion> Rejected:
[22:50] <ximion> Unable to find source package debconf-kde/0.1+git20101228-0ubuntu1 in natty
[22:50] <Riddell> Trouble`: as usual kdm has no update method for its config files, we'll need to work out how to fix that
[22:51] <Trouble`> Riddell's back \o/
[22:51] <ximion> apachelogger: so the changelog has to indicate an initial release of this pkg, no?
[22:51] <Riddell> I'm back!
[22:51] <Riddell> what did I miss?
[22:51] <yofel> Riddell: that's the problem? actually I think it's the theme file not being installed by default (or I'm misunderstanding something)
[22:51] <Riddell> yofel: well the default theme changed
[22:52] <yofel> aaaah
[22:52] <yofel> wait, it did?
[22:52] <Riddell> but nothing upgrades /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc
[22:52] <Trouble`> :-s
[22:52] <Riddell> and kdm doesn't do sensible fallback if it can't find the theme
[22:52] <yofel> ..
[22:52] <Riddell> at least I assume the default has changed, should be horos now
[22:53] <apachelogger> ximion: well, yours is not initial for ubuntu :D
[22:53] <fenris-web> yofel: any idea y my quassel cant get connected ? i realize it after upgrade to 4.6rc1
[22:53] <ximion> apachelogger: Huh! There's something wrong with the PPA builders - the Reject was from a PPA, but it's content showed it was an "official" package - also the PPA service sent me messages that debconf-kde builds failed, but at the buildlooks say "everything okay"
[22:53] <Trouble`> Yea, in my kdmrc: "Theme=/usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/ethais" :-(
[22:54] <yofel> fenris-web: no.. and I don't think anyone else had that so far
[22:55] <fenris-web> owh ok .. thanks .. ill try to figure it out ..
[22:56] <apachelogger> stalcup: are you actually here?
[22:56] <yofel> fenris-web: core/client or single client? look at .xsession-errors in any case
[22:57] <ejat> ahh .. finally .. maybe my connection ..
[22:57]  * Trouble` manually changes his kdm theme to horos
[22:59] <yofel> yep, changing theme by hand worked :S
[22:59] <Riddell> hmm, it's actually not the default
[23:04] <stalcup> apachelogger: where'd you go?
[23:05] <Riddell> guess I should put those files back in the kdm package then until upstream changes the setting
[23:06] <stalcup> Riddell: 4.5.5 is done, just building atm
[23:06] <apachelogger> stalcup: I muted you
[23:06] <apachelogger> because of the shoe finding business :)
[23:06] <stalcup> ahahahahaha
[23:07] <stalcup> sorry
[23:07] <apachelogger> stalcup: you are back now, wer are talking about kde exerience stuff
[23:07] <stalcup> okie
[23:08]  * yofel starts walking around in cycles around stalcup mumbling something about meta-kde
[23:09] <stalcup> yofel: it will build
[23:09] <stalcup> just weirdly
[23:10] <yofel> looking at the amount of dep-waits I doubt that
[23:13] <yofel> stalcup: you'll at least need to copy meta-kde from ppa to staging, default meta-kde in maverick is too old
[23:13] <apachelogger> stalcup: you dropped, was that intentional?
[23:13] <stalcup> no, hold on :(
[23:14] <stalcup> yofel: I already coppied it over
[23:15] <yofel> stalcup: doesn't show up (yet)
[23:15] <Riddell> stalcup: all of it?
[23:15] <stalcup> shows up here
[23:15] <yofel> stalcup: *where* ?
[23:15] <stalcup> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+packages
[23:16] <yofel> not for me
[23:16] <yofel> ...
[23:18] <yofel> stalcup: this is the list it shows for me - anything missing? http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/lp.png
[23:28] <stalcup> yofel: looks the same to me
[23:28] <yofel> then meta-kde is missing
[23:28] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/1381688/+listing-archive-extra
[23:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yay, ajax is working!
[23:29] <stalcup> ok
[23:31] <stalcup> yofel: how do I get it, dget fails
[23:32] <yofel> o.O
[23:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: I have no microphone
[23:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: that is silly
[23:32] <yofel> dget really fails...
[23:32] <apachelogger> we are having a nice KDE talk sessoin thing
[23:33] <yofel> stalcup: use wget on the dsc and tar.gz
[23:33] <stalcup> k, done
[23:33] <stalcup> now for some dpkg voodoo
[23:34]  * stalcup no remember
[23:34] <yofel> dpkg-source -x *.dsc
[23:38] <stalcup> had to restart my terminal
[23:45] <stalcup> meta on the way


 It probably suits more newbies
[21:47] <syngindub> never used OSx, have supported it alright but never used it
[21:47] <infoturtle> TBH I hate it's look, why move to unity when gnome 3 looks sssooooo good!
[21:48] <syngindub> whats the deal with gnome 3 though?
[21:48] <syngindub> do you need to build this yourself?
[21:49] <infoturtle> don't think so, I have an install guide for installing it to try it out if you want it
[21:49] <syngindub> are you installing gnome 3 on top of natty?
[21:50] <infoturtle> yep, soon as I get it I'm installing gnome 3.0 over it, it just looks better and less in the way
[21:50] <infoturtle> http://www.infoturtle.ie/tipsandtricks/installgnome3.0.php
[21:50] <syngindub> cheers for that. Have spent the last few days configuring mint though :) i've been know to blow an OS away after a few drinks though :)
[21:51] <infoturtle> ha ha
[21:52] <infoturtle> well, you just need to put a little bit more into natty to have it the way you'dlike it
[21:52] <IRWolfie-> I switched to arch
[21:52] <syngindub> i tried arch last year
[21:52] <IRWolfie-> seems ubuntu is starting to stray away from gnome
[21:52] <syngindub> highly customisable but i don't have the time for that much though
[21:53] <syngindub> yeah IRWolfie- , it's a huge dissapointment as i've been running it for the past 5 years or so..around breezy
[21:54] <syngindub> they are completely switching emphasis and i feel there will be a major shift in number from their OS after natty gets released
[21:54] <IRWolfie-> I've still got ubuntu on for work
[21:54] <IRWolfie-> but arch for my laptop
[21:55] <syngindub> arch is too cutting edge for my like :)
[21:55] <infoturtle> never used arch, is that it's full name?
[21:55] <syngindub> i used to spend all my time running updates with arch :)
[21:55] <IRWolfie-> arch linux
[21:55] <IRWolfie-> I like updates
[21:55] <IRWolfie-> and I especially like being on the bleeding edge :D
[21:56] <infoturtle> looks fancy!
[21:57] <IRWolfie-> it's not as newbie friendly as ubuntu, but it seems good for learning more
[21:57] <IRWolfie-> next, gentoo!
[21:57] <syngindub> it's great for learning alright..the arch community are great for documentation also
[21:57] <infoturtle> might try it out :D
[21:58] <infoturtle> for now tho, time to get online and play some unreal, see yall later!
[21:58] <syngindub> well worth it..highly configurable


 I wanted to install the sound recorder also (gnome-media something like this) and ended giving up and using the command line, because I would need to install tons of packages.
[06:46] <lumpunto> the ubuntu repos have a serious problem of dependencies. everything depends on everything :)
[06:46] <mysteriousdarren> #sadbuttrue
[06:46] <lumpunto> nonsense
[06:46] <lumpunto> yeah
[06:47] <mysteriousdarren> I wish some packages would "just work" like ubuntu is supposed to.
[06:47] <lumpunto> yeah :) same here
[06:48] <mysteriousdarren> Little by little I guess, some things are getting better I'm happy to report
[06:50] <lumpunto> i hope so. another annoyance is that a lot of packages depends on pulseaudio, but I wouldn't like to use pulseaudio on lubuntu.
[06:51] <wxl> maybe you need to find better alternatives
[06:51] <lumpunto> of course if you force them to install without pulseaudio they works perfectly as well
[06:51] <mysteriousdarren> Ya depends, sometimes things freak out on ya
[06:52] <lumpunto> personally, i've experienced more problem by using pulseaudio than not using it at all
[11:47] <zleap> hello
[12:16] <xnox> Is http://lubuntublog.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/box-theme-reaches-038.html theme in the Ubuntu Archive?
[13:31] <PlastikSpork> I upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10 and I get an error stating I have unmet dependencies {linux-image-3.5.0-27-generic}  I try to install and get error "Errors were encountered while processing:
[13:31] <PlastikSpork>  /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-3.5.0-27-generic_3.5.0-27.46_i386.deb
[13:31] <PlastikSpork> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
[13:44] <lumpunto> hey there. What do I have to install to have on screen feedback when I enable the touchpad or change the volume?
[13:45] <lumpunto> what's the ubuntu package that shows popup indicators?
[14:02] <zleap> hello
[14:03] <mysteriousdarren> hi
[14:04] <zleap> how is the testing going ?
[14:05] <mysteriousdarren> fine so far. no bugs to report for me anyway
[14:07] <zleap> cool
[14:07] <zleap> i have just re-installed 12.10
[14:07] <zleap> so a few issues solved there
[18:32] <Unit193> xnox: That is default for Lubuntu now, and since "lubuntu-artwork" is at version 0.38, I'm going to say yes.
[20:51] <SonikkuAmerica> (Should I ask this somewhere else?) I'm having trouble with IO APIC when the Lubuntu 13.04 Beta 2 (32-bit) live image boots up.
[20:51] <SonikkuAmerica> *in VBox
[20:53] <holstein> !13.04 | SonikkuAmerica
[20:53] <holstein> thats where i would go
[20:55] <SonikkuAmerica> OK...
[20:56] <SonikkuAmerica> (But it's scheduled to go out in 2-3 weeks! :( )
[20:56] <holstein> SonikkuAmerica: i would test it on metal..
[20:58] <SonikkuAmerica> I only have one of those, I'm too lazy to pull out gparted, and I need a (somewhat) production environment. Running Ubuntu 12.10 obviously doesn't help that last bullet point much...
[20:59] <holstein> SonikkuAmerica: i wouldnt lose sleep over it then
[21:03] <SonikkuAmerica> Nvm, got it working.
[21:03] <SonikkuAmerica> (without APIC. This is weird due to the fact that I thought I'd disabled it last time)


[13:57] <UndiFineD> Pendulum: the spanish translation was ok ? or did it need modification ?
[13:58] <Pendulum> haven't heard anything from the guy
[13:59] <UndiFineD> alright, just curious :)
[14:23]  * AlanBell hugs Pendulum
[14:24] <AlanBell> http://www.lathatatlan.hu can't take wheelchairs
[14:24] <Pendulum> I'm not surprised
[14:25] <Pendulum> so as long as the UW dinner isn't there, I'm okay :P
[14:27] <Pendulum> to safely take wheelchair users (regardless of whether there's physical access or not), they'd have to have a blind wheelchair user who could guide. And I don't know any completely blind wheelchair users. (I know some who are legally blind)
[14:28] <AlanBell> I asked if there was just physical access to the dinner part
[14:28] <Pendulum> tbh, I suspect that if I make it to UDS-O, I will pretty much only be able to get around the hotel
[14:29] <Pendulum> (without getting out of chair and scooting up or down stairs)
[14:29] <Pendulum> because that's my memory of Budapest: everything has stairs
[14:30] <Pendulum> Luckily, I went to Budapest when I was 16 so I will not feel sad that I cqan't get into things like the castle as I've already been to them :)
[14:41] <Pendulum> okay, it looks like I might be able to use the metro if there are people with me (has escalators, but I know how to ride an escalator in a wheelchair if I've got people to help)
[14:41] <Pendulum> there are a couple buslines I could use
[14:42] <Pendulum> can't get good information about restaurants
[14:42] <Pendulum> dunno how I can get from airport
[14:42] <Pendulum> this could be exciting ;-)
[14:44] <AlanBell> really not sure I can go at all, but I was thinking of flying out for the last two days or something
[14:46] <Pendulum> *nods*
[14:46] <Pendulum> I'm going to apply for sponsorship and see what happens :)
[14:47] <Pendulum> Someone other than TheMuso has to be around to raise the accessibility flag ;-)
[14:49] <AlanBell> yup
[14:57] <AlanBell> I don't think I will go for sponsorship as I can't give up the week
[14:58] <AlanBell> flights are only a hundred quid
[14:58] <Pendulum> *nods*
[15:00] <AlanBell> I was thinking of organising an evening out for 30 people as an -accessibility event
[15:00] <Pendulum> *nods*
[15:01] <AlanBell> maybe getting some computers set up in the dark with Unity and get the desktop team along
[15:03] <Pendulum> haha
[15:03] <Pendulum> need to get it working at all that way first
[15:04] <AlanBell> yeah
[15:04] <AlanBell> would give them something to work towards :)
[15:04] <Pendulum> although the desktop team is pretty aware of what's going on and the importance
[15:05] <Pendulum> neil's definitely on board with getting accessibility to the best it can be
[17:23] <charlie-tca> Using today's i386 Natty image, I can do an accessible installation using Orca.
[17:23] <charlie-tca> However, unity no longer recognizes my ATI 9800 video card as usable, so I ran it from classis desktop
[17:24] <charlie-tca> Also, orca now speaks the password as clear letters and numbers
[17:26] <Pendulum> yay for being able to do the install
[17:26] <Pendulum> not so good on the rest of it
[17:26] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:26] <charlie-tca> progress, I guess
[17:27] <charlie-tca> heh, unity will be unusable by what, half the user base, if it won't recognize the 9800?
[17:28] <charlie-tca> Oh, well. At least orca spoke to me today through the entire installation dialogs
[17:42] <AlanBell> that is fantastic!
[17:43] <AlanBell> or a major regression corrected
[17:45] <charlie-tca> yes, kind of.
[17:46] <charlie-tca> It does not tell you it is done, so get to guess at that part
[17:47] <charlie-tca> But it did say "Return" when I hit the enter key to restart after the installation completed
[17:47] <AlanBell> how do you start the accessible install?
[17:47] <charlie-tca> hold right shift when it says it is starting from the cd
[17:48] <charlie-tca> or hold during bios checks
[17:48] <charlie-tca> oh, yeah, it fails when hitting any keys during the boot
[17:48] <charlie-tca> the splash screen seems to ignore the keypress it should see
[17:50] <charlie-tca> hm, and it booted into a gdm login without orca, but after logging in, it went to unity desktop with orca
[17:52] <charlie-tca> At least we are making progress. Now I can finish the install test case
[18:00] <AlanBell> yes, I will have a go at the install later this week I hope