[05:21] <nixternal> Jucato: !@#@)*))!)!!) WECLCOME BACK!!!!
[05:21] <nixternal> tried to sneak in here :)
[05:21] <Jucato> hehehe! hi nixternal! :O)
[05:21] <Jucato> thanks :)
[05:21] <nixternal> I see you got your qt book
[05:21] <Jucato> finally!!!
[05:21] <Jucato> after.. um... a year since publication? hahaha
[05:22] <nixternal> I just grabbed the "foundations" book and danimo's book...both good books as well
[05:22] <Jucato> grr!!
[05:22] <nixternal> truthfully, I like it the best though over the 2 new books
[05:22] <Jucato> the only other Qt book available is the Design Patterns one...
[05:22] <nixternal> danimo's book is damn close though...he hits some things like designer which is cool
[05:23] <ScottK> nixternal: Good enough you can finish the pinentry-qt4 port yet?
[05:23] <nixternal> ya, the bruce perens books are garbage..I have the design patterns one as well
[05:23] <nixternal> ScottK: ya, I need to get some time here and start working on it
[05:23] <Jucato> now all we need is a KDE book... which can't be started until 4.0 at least :(
[05:23] <ScottK> Cool.  I'll keep harassing you.
[05:23] <nixternal> I know you will :)
[05:23] <Jucato> luckily the other bruce perens books are free to download :)
[05:24] <nixternal> so far, only Hobbsee can out harass you
[05:24] <Jucato> she can outharass anyone :)
[05:24] <ScottK> But right now I have to give a presentation on Tuesday in San Francisco, I fly tomorrow, and I haven't started it.
[05:24] <nixternal> I love when people go out and buy an ipod, then drop it off with like 50 cds they want copied over
[05:24] <ScottK> And I need data from the internet to do it, so I can't do it on the plane....
[05:24] <nixternal> ScottK: ouch!
[05:25] <nixternal> I just started messing with latex-beamer these past couple of days
[05:25] <nixternal> I think it is the best thing ever for a nice style and everything
[05:25] <Jucato> I always think of something else whenever I hear/see latex :)
[05:25] <Jucato> ok back to work..
[05:25] <nixternal> prevert!
[05:26] <nixternal> ya, I am getting ready to head to bed
[05:26] <nixternal> g'nite all
[05:26] <Jucato> heheh g'night then!
[05:26] <Jucato> see you when you wake up heheeh
[05:26] <nixternal> true that
[05:26] <Jucato> I'll be here again from now on :P
[05:28] <DaSkreech> nixternal: MMMM .ogg :)
[05:42] <Tm_T> hrrrrr
[05:43] <Jucato> Tm_T!!!! hello sir! :)
[05:43] <Tm_T> hi hi :)
[05:43] <Tm_T> I'm sooo excited
[05:43] <Jucato> heheh :)
[05:44] <Tm_T> ScottK: ?
[05:44] <ScottK> Tm_T: Are you tarting in Uni tomorrow or starting?
[05:45] <Tm_T> today, in 2 hours
[05:45] <Tm_T> ah yes, s missing, now I noticed :)
[05:46] <Tm_T> :/
[05:46] <Jucato> instead of tarting
[05:46] <Jucato> teaching, btw?
[05:46] <Tm_T> nope, student
[05:46] <Jucato> oooh
[05:46] <Jucato> lucky you
[05:46] <Jucato> I have to start next year :(
[05:46] <Tm_T> well, I assume I will teach too in some point
[05:47] <Jucato> and it's an online/home learning/distance education course
[05:47] <Tm_T> ScottK: I would've too if I had gone there earlier ;)
[05:48] <Jucato> this will be my 2nd course...
[05:49] <ScottK> Ah.  How old if you don't mind my asking (usually I'm about the oldest person on these channels)?
[05:49] <Tm_T> ScottK: 112 years I think, cant remember anymore
[05:49] <ScottK> Heh.
[05:49] <Jucato> lol
[05:49] <Jucato> you're too modest :)
[05:49] <Tm_T> ;-P
[05:50] <Tm_T> seriously 23
[05:50] <ScottK> That's not so bad.
[05:50] <Jucato> O.o
[05:50] <Jucato> seriously?
[05:50] <Jucato> 23 only?
[05:50] <Tm_T> seriously
[05:50] <Jucato> ...
[05:50] <Tm_T> but I already have several graduates
[05:51] <Tm_T> and have tried pretty much any kind of job
[05:51] <Tm_T> Jucato: well that's only biological age, and that's usually irrelevant
[05:52] <Jucato> yeah, we still need to factor in psychological, emotional, intellectual age.hehehe
[05:52] <Tm_T> ;)
[05:52] <Tm_T> anyway, I hope I'm able to study there fully
[05:52] <Jucato> I wanted to take a full, 4-year, bachelor's degree course, if only my situation permitted it.
[05:53] <Jucato> instead I'll have to settle for a diploma
[05:53] <Tm_T> :)
[05:53] <Tm_T> I can barely sleep atm, well messed head I got
[05:54] <ScottK> It doesn't sound like you are sleeping at all.  Either that or you type well in your sleep.
[05:55] <Tm_T> anyway, breakfast and stuff, wish me luck ;) ->
[06:08] <ScottK> Tm_T: Good luck.
[10:40] <danimo> Riddell: can you say when you can repackage the kdepim enterprise branch? staying without mail is pretty frustrating
[10:42] <\sh> dandel, use mutt ,-)
[10:43] <\sh> s/dandel/danimo/
[10:43] <danimo> \sh: yeah, because mutt can handle kolab resource folders to display my contacts... oh wait!
[10:43] <\sh> danimo, oh..you use kolab as backend...grmpf
[10:44] <danimo> \sh: no, but I use the kolab resource system, which works without kolab
[10:44] <danimo> \sh: it just declares certain folders to hold special data inside the mime part of a mail
[10:45] <danimo> \sh: works with almost any imap server
[11:38] <Tonio_> hi there
[11:39] <Tonio_> :)
[12:07] <allee> Tonio_: hi
[12:11] <Tonio_> allee: hey :)
[12:12] <allee> Tonio_: any BT news from you? :)
[12:14] <allee> Tonio_: only suggested change from my side is still:
[12:14] <allee> [12:08]  <allee> Tonio_: independently please consider  'Exec=hciconfig | grep -q . && kdeblueooth'  works around disturbing warning when no BT device is available
[12:16] <Tonio_> allee: no news atm
[12:16] <Tonio_> allee: still searching for _stefans_ ;)
[12:17] <allee> Tonio_: k
[12:18] <allee> anyone knows python-dbus code (w/o GUI that waits) that waits for dbus events?
[12:29] <mhb> allee: http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-python/doc/tutorial.html#setting-up-an-event-loop
[12:29] <mhb> allee: although I'm pretty certain you already read that, so ignore me if you did :o)
[12:32] <allee> mhb: yep. nevertheless thx. qt section is empty .   but I'll just try with glib eventloop for now.  Finetuning can wait ;)
[02:32] <nixternal> mornin', afternoon, evening everyone
[02:33] <Hobbsee> hiya nixternal
[02:33] <theblackpeter> hi guys
[02:33] <theblackpeter> anyone here built kdebase from source?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> 3?  4?
[02:33] <Jucato> hiya nixternal, Hobbsee of the LongPointyStick
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Jucato!!!
[02:33] <Jucato> :)
[02:33] <nixternal> lol
[02:34] <Jucato> ouch! my spine!
[02:34] <nixternal> haha
[02:34] <Hobbsee> oops, we broke him.
[02:34] <nixternal> Jucato: that almost sounded like someone from the US...always looking for a reason to sue for money :p
[02:34] <Jucato> ssshh!!!
[02:34] <Jucato> I was about to do that
[02:35] <nixternal> I bet you were
[02:35] <theblackpeter> nixternal: how would i go about commiting the batches in debian/patches
[02:35] <theblackpeter> that is, i just want to patch the source, not build them right away
[02:36] <nixternal> ahhh
[02:36] <Hobbsee> theblackpeter: patch -p1 < debian/patches/*
[02:36] <Hobbsee> ?
[02:36] <nixternal> yup
[02:36] <theblackpeter> right
[02:36] <theblackpeter> but there is no makefile target rule
[02:37] <theblackpeter> i cant check from here...
[02:37] <theblackpeter> or some other script file to do that
[02:37] <Hobbsee> you just want to see if the patches apply, and then unapply them again?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> or you just want to apply hte patches?
[02:38] <nixternal> theblackpeter: everything in patches gets applied during the build process
[02:38] <theblackpeter> right
[02:38] <theblackpeter> i think the rules file in the debian folder does that
[02:38] <theblackpeter> but i dont want to build it right away
[02:38] <Hobbsee> #check all patches apply, autoconf runs, and removes the patches again
[02:38] <Hobbsee> sudo make -f debian/rules buildprep
[02:38] <theblackpeter> just need to patch it
[02:38] <mhb> Jucato: so you've decided to join the complainers upstream, eh? :o)
[02:38] <Hobbsee> you want either of the commands i posted above.
[02:38] <Hobbsee> depending on what you actually want to do
[02:39] <Jucato> mhb: if you read it that way.
[02:39] <mhb> Jucato: ( just kidding, I like those guys & their work)
[02:39] <nixternal> Jucato: it is fun working upstream
[02:39] <Jucato> that would be my priority for now.
[02:39] <Jucato> getting to work upstream then poke Hobbsee *a lot*
[02:39] <Jucato> hehe :)
[02:39] <nixternal> KDE should always be your priority, with Kubuntu right there at its heels of course :)
[02:40] <nixternal> gotta remember, w/o KDE, we would be Ubuntu *puke* :p
[02:40] <Jucato> lol :)
[02:40] <nixternal> haha
[02:40] <Jucato> or "Ubuntu with GNOME" *double puke?*
[02:40] <Jucato> j/k :)
[02:40] <nixternal> don't forget Linux too...but then again, KDE works on BSD as well, and soon Mac OS X and Wine'ohs
[02:41] <Hobbsee> Jucato: why am i being poked now?
[02:41] <Jucato> Hobbsee: just for fun :)
[02:41] <Jucato> you're so lovable when poked :)
[02:41] <Hobbsee> oh right
[02:41] <mhb> nixternal: ya, except for some reason, Ubuntu's upstream doesn't hate it :o)
[02:42] <Jucato> why would they complain? GNOME's getting a lot of attention thanks to Ubuntu :P
[02:42] <nixternal> either does our upstream
[02:42] <Jucato> they just won the survey (ugh surveys!)
[02:42] <nixternal> at least I hope...there are a couple who may not like us, but at least our KDE looks like KDE for the most part
[02:43] <Jucato> and there will always be naysayers
[02:43] <Jucato> Hobbsee: have fun. be full. don't overeat (like I did)
[02:43] <mhb> nixternal: our upstream seems to complain about downstream a lot, which I dislike (complaining never solved anything)
[02:44] <Jucato> I would think it's not fair to generalize that all of upstream does that. for one, quite a number of upstream developers use Kubuntu
[02:44] <nixternal> mhb: then we need to stop changing Konversation to the way we like and the way that is best :p
[02:44] <nixternal> muhehehe
[02:44] <nixternal> that was a low blow, and I apologize for that one
[02:44] <Jucato> don't worry. He's not here :)
[02:44] <nixternal> haha
[02:45] <Hobbsee> meh, konversation.
[02:45] <nixternal> try working with him on Yakuake
[02:45] <Jucato> er... conversation
[02:45] <mhb> nixternal: well, I didn't mean Sho, he actually came to the meeting and suggested improvements
[02:45] <Hobbsee> hmm, i was supposed to look into that.
[02:45] <nixternal> I have a feeling that Yakuake will disappear anyways with KDE 4 since Konsole will have very similar functionality
[02:45] <kwwii> speaking of which is someone going to make a new website sometime this year?
[02:45] <Jucato> nixternal: last time we talked (2 months ago), he said it won't
[02:46] <nixternal> kwwii: you are!
[02:46] <Jucato> hi kwwii!!!!
[02:46] <nixternal> and if you need help, I am here for you :)
[02:46] <nixternal> err, support ;p
[02:46] <kwwii> nixternal: the design is done
[02:46] <Jucato> <--- cheerleading
[02:46] <kwwii> or at least 1 design is done
[02:46] <nixternal> I need to bzr up my website checkout
[02:46] <kwwii> now someone has to actually code it
[02:46] <nixternal> that is the easy part..the artwork is the hard part
[02:47] <nixternal> we are not coding it to make it look like Ubuntu's are we?
[02:47] <kwwii> nixternal: no, we have a different design in mind
[02:47] <nixternal> whew
[02:47] <kwwii> mhb: have you thought about working on it further?
[02:48] <nixternal> kwwii: not using a cms either right (ie. drupal, joomla, and the rest), just flat out php right?
[02:48] <kwwii> nixternal: the idea was to use the same cms as ubuntu, iirc
[02:48] <nixternal> ahh, drupal...that is one of my loves :)
[02:50] <nixternal> I am supposed to be updating the Fridge site, but haven't gotten all of the necessary info yet...probably never will
[02:51] <kwwii> well, mhb started to talk to me about it but it seemed like he did not like the design and therefor stopped
[02:51] <kwwii> anyway....next subject
[02:51] <mhb> kwwii: I did, but I have very little free time now, someone else has to lead the project
[02:51] <kwwii> mhb: ok, cool...we'll find someone eventually
[02:53] <theblackpeter> Hobbsee: make -f debian/rules buildprep doesnt work
[02:53] <Hobbsee> !doesntwork
[02:53] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[02:54] <theblackpeter> and, by the way, I had to install cdbs
[02:54] <Hobbsee> unsurprising.  the package you're using probably uses cdbs as a build system.
[02:54] <theblackpeter> comming from a gentoo world, with ebuild patch, i guess i thought there would be something similar
[02:56] <nixternal> kwwii: if you guys need help with it, I am able to help
[02:59] <theblackpeter> Hobbsee: ok, i'll patch it "manually", thanks for the help
[02:59] <Hobbsee> theblackpeter: well, you could use the other way, if you actually gave enough info.
[03:00] <theblackpeter> what way?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> theblackpeter: my psychic pony is on holidays, and i left my psychic frog at work.
[03:00] <Hobbsee> with the make -f...
[03:01] <ScottK> theblackpeter: If you can explain to me wah ebuild patch does, maybe I can help.
[03:01] <theblackpeter> Hobbsee: right, i cant find any buildprep rule
[03:01] <Hobbsee> ScottK: only if he actually gives enough info at all...
[03:02] <theblackpeter> Hobbsee: info about what?
[03:02] <Hobbsee> theblackpeter: oh, so you just looked for buildprep, instead of running the command.
[03:02] <Hobbsee> theblackpeter: you said "doesnt work" - see the factoid
[03:02] <theblackpeter> Hobbsee: i asked if there was a way to auto apply all patches
[03:02] <Hobbsee> theblackpeter: indeed
[03:02] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Agreed, just trying to stimulate some dialogue.
[03:02] <Hobbsee> i told you both
[03:03] <Hobbsee> and you said one didnt work, but not why, or what happened when you tried it.
[03:03] <Hobbsee> which makes the exercise pointless, because, like i say, my psychic frog is at work :P
[03:03] <theblackpeter> ScottK: ebuild pach is a command that that applys patches defined in a gentoo ebuild to the source
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> gentoo is another word for "voodoo" BTW.
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> thought you might like to know that.
[03:04] <theblackpeter> so you dont have to do "patch -p1 < debian/patches/*" yourself for instance
[03:04] <ScottK> theblackpeter: OK.  Generally Debian build systems do that too, but there are several, and so whatever you are doing needs more description for us to help.
[03:04] <ScottK> theblackpeter: What package are you trying to patch?
[03:05] <theblackpeter> ScottK: kdebase
[03:05] <ScottK> Ah.
[03:05] <Hobbsee> in which case both of hte commands i gave will work, if tried.
[03:05] <ScottK> You have the source package then?
[03:05] <theblackpeter> ScottK: or im trying to apply all the patches needed, such as the ones in debian/patches
[03:05] <ScottK> theblackpeter: When you build the package, it will do that.  Why are YOU trying to apply them manually?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> theblackpeter: i think that buildprep is actually called somewhere in the rules, but isnt listed in the rules file - it's called by something else listed in the rules file.
[03:06] <theblackpeter> Hobbsee:  patch -p1 < debian/patches/* works great, thank you for that
[03:06] <Hobbsee> no problem
[03:06] <theblackpeter> ScottK: right, i dont want to build it right away, just need to apply the patches
[03:06] <theblackpeter> if that is possible...
[03:07] <theblackpeter> buildprep would be nice, i'll double check if i missed something
[03:07] <ScottK> Sure, but I'm not sure why you would bother.  If you are trying to look at patched source, try dpatch-edit-patch (read the man page).  That way you won't end up with a dirty source tree.
[03:08] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i'd guess that he's trying to check if all the patches apply
[03:08] <Hobbsee> without building the whole source
[03:08] <ScottK> Which dpatch-edit-patch will generally accomplish.
[03:08] <theblackpeter> well yes, i want the sources with the patches before i build them
[03:09] <theblackpeter> not to much to ask no :)
[03:09] <ScottK> Hobbsee: What was wrong with dpatch-edit-patch?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> ScottK: nothing - that will let you edit said patches.  i guessed he was wanting to actually apply them
[03:10] <Hobbsee> ScottK: or does d-e-p actually check to see if the patches all apply too?
[03:10] <ScottK> It applies all the patches before the one you specify if called correctly.
[03:10] <ScottK> It has to to give you the modified source to work in.
[03:11] <ScottK> If they don't apply, then it barfs.
[03:11] <Hobbsee> ScottK: ah right, yes
[03:11] <ScottK> Then you just give it a non-zero exit code and you are back exactly where you started.
[03:11] <ScottK> No messing about with unpatch and a clean source tree.
[03:12] <Hobbsee> hmmm, i should use d-e-p or c-e-p at some point
[03:12] <theblackpeter> ScottK: the thing with dpatch-edit-patch is that you need to know the pach name right?
[03:12] <theblackpeter> i'm looking for a general way of applying all patches to a source package
[03:12] <ScottK> theblackpeter: Yes, at listed on debian/patches/00list.
[03:13] <ScottK> theblackpeter: IIRC you can specify it to do that.
[03:14] <theblackpeter> ScottK: i don't seem to have that file
[03:15] <Hobbsee> ScottK: it's cdbs.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> theblackpeter: use cdbs-edit-patch
[03:15] <ScottK> Ah.
[03:15] <ScottK> Same basic idea, but the semantics are slightly different.
[03:27] <theblackpeter> Hobbsee: needed a +x on debian/rules, then buildprep works
[03:27] <Hobbsee> ah yes, this is true
[03:28] <theblackpeter> it does a whole lot more then i needed, but i'll guess its good enough
[03:28] <Hobbsee> forgot about that - the rules file tends to be executable by default.
[03:28] <theblackpeter> one problem is that you need to be root
[03:28] <Hobbsee> yes, you need to sudo
[03:28] <theblackpeter> anyway thanks Hobbsee, sorry about interrupting your dinner
[03:28] <Hobbsee> no problem
[03:29] <theblackpeter> ScottK: and thanks to you too =)
[03:30] <ScottK> theblackpeter: No problem.  Welcome to Kubuntu.  Please dive in and fix $STUFF.
[04:01] <freeflying> http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/3080
[04:01] <freeflying> anyone have a look
[04:03] <Tonio_> re
[04:03] <Tonio_> allee: maybe I ping you for a test ?
[04:03] <Tonio_> what if in kaffeine you go in xine config and select opengl as video driver ?
[04:03] <Hobbsee> freeflying: weird.  dosent happen in english
[04:03] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hey :) can you test that for me please ? :)
[04:04] <freeflying> Hobbsee: yes, really wired, only on my laptop
[04:05] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: Error: Can't init new Video Driver opengl - using auto!
[04:05] <Hobbsee> hiya
[04:05] <Hobbsee> 00:04:55: xine: found demuxer plugin: AVI/RIFF demux plugin
[04:05] <Hobbsee> 00:04:55: xine: found input plugin : file input plugin
[04:06] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: same for me, and I suspect a bug, since xine-ui works like a charm and has no problem to init opengl....
[04:06] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'll investigate on that point
[04:06] <Hobbsee> cool
[05:05] <allee> Tonio_: pong
[05:06] <Tonio_> allee: already got the response, sorry :)
[05:06] <allee> Tonio_: fwiw.  my teest script receives bt dev added/removed events.   Hah, now I've searching how to start a program from python *hides* ;)
[05:06] <Tonio_> allee: just discovered that kaffeine seems enable to load the opengl xinr driver
[05:06] <Tonio_> allee: works with xine-ui
[05:07] <Tonio_> allee: hum interesting :)
[05:07] <allee> Tonio_: yeah, my first lines of python ever.
[06:57] <manchicken> Well, my system76 showed up.
[06:57] <manchicken> Grabbing kubuntu-desktop now.
[07:08] <manchicken> Ooh, the first-time wizard for KDE is sek-see
[07:09] <Riddell> err, huh?
[07:09] <Riddell> that shouldn't be shown with k-d-s
[07:09] <danimo> Riddell: hi!
[07:09] <danimo> Riddell: renag wrt updated kdepim packages
[07:10] <Riddell> danimo: I'll do it now (no promises, I'm on holiday today but if it goes smoothly I should upload tonight)
[07:14] <danimo> Riddell: cool
[07:15] <mhb> Riddell: enjoy your holiday
[07:15] <danimo> Riddell: would be nice to have email again... and contacts particulary
[07:15] <danimo> Riddell: but yeah, fair enough
[07:48] <manchicken> This machine is super-sweet.
[07:49] <Jucato> (tastes like honey)
[07:51] <Riddell> manchicken: do they make the machines themselves?
[07:53] <Riddell> manchicken: do they use the oem installer?
[07:53] <manchicken> My buddies tell me that this is an asus machine with system76 branding.  Looks like they did use the OEM installer.
[08:00] <danimo> cool, latest kernel update trashed the soundcard driver
[08:04] <manchicken> The non-free flash plugin doesn't seem to be happy on feisty anymore.
[08:04] <manchicken> md5sum discrepencies are causing the installer to abort.
[08:21] <manchicken> Do we have an upgrade tool yet?
[08:24] <manchicken> The powermanager doesn't like me.
[08:24] <manchicken> It keeps switching back and forth for no real reason.
[08:28] <Riddell> danimo: compile error, any ideas? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35283/
[08:29] <danimo> Riddell: sounds a lot like a const error, so either someone didn't compile his change, or his compiler was more permissive
[08:29] <danimo> Riddell: either way... try to make findCategory() const if possible, and definitely talk back with the kde pim guys at #kontact
[08:30] <manchicken> I'm gonna update this machine to gutsy.
[08:30] <danimo> manchicken: famous last words ;)
[08:31] <manchicken> danimo: Eh, I've done it before.  Except this time I'm not doing it on a machine with a broadcom or ATI. :)
[08:31] <danimo> manchicken: and hopefully no Intel HDA sound card
[08:32] <manchicken> Come to think of it, I have no idea what card is in this thing.
[08:32] <manchicken> Here goes nothing.
[08:53] <manchicken> Riddell: I have a feeling that the deb installer on the repos for feisty's flashplugin-nonfree is out of sync with the tarball that it's trying to install.  I think that may be the source of the md5sum discrepency.
[09:38] <nixternal> are we havin' fun yet?
[09:38] <mhb> I am :o)
[09:39] <nixternal> kool!
[09:39] <nixternal> just got home, no homework for today...I am ready to rock and roll!
[09:39] <manchicken> LongPointyStick: ping
[09:39] <manchicken> heh
[09:39] <nixternal> I would assume she is probably in midst of a Kubuntu dream right about now :D
[09:43] <manchicken> Any IRC team folks?
[09:43] <mhb> nixternal: how about starting some work on the Kubuntu redesign page?
[09:43] <manchicken> We've got a jerkoff in #kubuntu trying to get newbies to forkbomb themselves.
[09:51] <Tm_T> manchicken: thanks to you
[09:52] <nixternal> mhb: I can start working on that...is there a current BZR branch for it?
[09:52] <mhb> nixternal: not sure about this, let me check
[09:54] <mhb> nixternal: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-website/trunk this branch was set up with the development in mind
[09:54] <nixternal> OK, let me check it out
[09:54] <mhb> nixternal: I think I only branched from kubuntu.org
[09:54] <manchicken> Tm_T: No problem.  Getting new folks to forkbomb themselves is just a scummy thing to do.
[09:55] <mhb> nixternal: we probably should merge in the Drupal code
[09:55] <nixternal> I can grab the latest code and do that
[09:55] <mhb> nixternal: and then find a server where we can hack and upload our testing CSSes
[09:55] <nixternal> I can host that
[09:56] <manchicken> This is the longest I've ever used the default color scheme.
[09:57] <nixternal> hehe, I use the default KDE theme and color scheme
[09:57] <manchicken> I really like green.
[09:57] <nixternal> I have used plastik for as long as I can remember
[09:57] <nixternal> uh oh...future foresight guy? :p
[09:59] <manchicken> Naw, green is just my favorite color :)
[09:59] <manchicken> I'm Kubuntu through-and-through.
[10:00] <nixternal> blood in, blood out man...we need to put that in our membership contracts :)
[10:00] <manchicken> I've finally gotten to the point where I can very comfortably manage the whole system in kubuntu.
[10:00] <manchicken> I never really got to this point so comfortably on any other distro.
[10:00] <manchicken> Totally.
[10:00] <manchicken> Okay, gutsy is installed.  Reboot time.
[10:01] <mhb> nixternal: that's like super-ultra-fantastic
[10:08] <manchicken> Hmm... it didn't update restricted modules it seems.
[10:10] <manchicken> Hmm... I seem to be having some issues with the i3945 wireless card on gutsy
[10:46] <manchicken> Do we have an eye-candy manager yet?
[10:47] <ubuntu> Is it me or does Thunderbird kill the strigi daemon?
[11:11] <ubuntu_> hi manchicken
[11:11] <manchicken> Howdy again
[11:12] <ubuntu_> gutsy?
[11:13] <manchicken> Yup
[11:13] <Riddell> manchicken: nope
[11:13] <Riddell> we seem to have lost the kcontrol module altogether for compiz
[11:14] <ubuntu_> does strigi die as soon as it looks at ~/.mozilla-thunderbird ?
[11:15] <manchicken> Riddell: No fun.
[11:23] <ubuntu_> Ok another strange thing in Gutsy is I can't altTab every now and again
[11:44] <nixternal> ubuntu_: for the issues you care experiencing, it would be best to a) file a bug report on Launchpad, or b) seek support in #ubuntu+1
[11:44] <nixternal> this is a development channel, and a majority of the people in here are either a) dev'ing away, b) sleeping, c) drinking :)
[11:45] <nixternal> or d) all of the above
[11:57] <ubuntu_> nixternal: I think I got the alt+tab the super Key was stuck
[12:01] <manchicken> While the wiki seems to favor compiz, it doesn't look like compiz is working too well.
[12:04] <ubuntu_> assisted by d)
[12:04] <nixternal> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lpth
[12:04] <nixternal> anyone experience that building KDE 4 lately?
[12:05] <ubuntu_> nixternal: Gutsy?
[12:05] <nixternal> issue with the gpgme stuff
[12:05] <nixternal> I am building KDE 4 from svn
[12:06] <ubuntu_> nixternal: does striigi work in Gutsy for you?
[12:06] <ubuntu_> as soon as mine hits .mozilla-thuderbid it dies
[12:07] <nixternal> yes it works, but I don't use any mozilla byproducts
[12:07] <ubuntu_> I don't either
[12:08] <ubuntu_> but everytime I start the daemon the preferences show it looking at a set of folders
[12:08] <ubuntu_>  None of which exist I may add except ~/.kde
[12:08] <ubuntu_> if I delete them from the preferences they come back
[12:08] <ubuntu_> and as soon as it hits ~/.mozilla-thunderbid it dies
[12:09] <nixternal> libpth-dev wasn't installed..yay me for missing that one
[12:09] <nixternal> I don't even have a .mozilla anything in my home directory...
[12:10] <ubuntu_> me either
[12:10] <ubuntu_> but it's in
[12:10] <ubuntu_> strigi:/config
[12:12] <manchicken> Is there a gutsy repo for beryl?
[12:12] <nixternal> the beryl repos are going bye bye, do you mean compiz fusion?
[12:12] <manchicken> Compiz is highly unstable right now.
[12:13] <nixternal> what does my clipping sign say?
[12:13] <ubuntu_> I'm sorry a Vigor sign :)
[12:13] <nixternal> what is that?
[12:13] <ubuntu_> hi it looks like you mean $var
[12:14] <ubuntu_> http://vigor.sourceforge.net/screenshots/
[12:14] <nixternal> manchicken: you can use the feisty repos that beryl has, or at least used to have
[12:17] <ubuntu_> ok think I'll head home and beat up my ISP
[12:26] <manchicken> There seems to be some issues with power-saving stuff.
[12:26] <ubuntu_> in compiz?
[12:26] <manchicken> Naw, in kubuntu in general
[12:27] <nixternal> you think? I have had power-saving issues for ever
[12:27] <nixternal> to an extent
[12:28] <nixternal> guidance doesn't display cpu, it won't scale, and it gives me the bird every now and then
[12:31] <manchicken> gnome stuff doesn't... I thought it all used the same backend
[12:32] <nixternal> did you get your new lappy?


[01:14] <mko> hi, is it possible to connect freshly installed server to wlan accesspoint (my phone)? It worked fine with desktop via bluetooth and wlan, but I'm clueless how to do it from server.
[01:17] <mko> There is plenty of guides how to set up server as accesspoint but not the otherway around. Unless you can manually set ip, but I don't think that works on phone accesspoints.
[01:29] <mko> Might be I need to get some drivers first, while installation seemed to find wifi, server now doesn't seem to find ath0.
[01:37] <RoyK> mko: google it - http://askubuntu.com/questions/16777/connecting-to-a-wireless-network seems a good start
[01:37] <mko> yeah just found it thanks
[01:37] <RoyK> mko: try iwconfig
[01:41] <mko> wlp3s0 shows IEEE 802.11bhn ESSID:off/any
[01:44] <RoyK> then try to configure that one
[01:45] <RoyK> network devices in modern distros don't have the same names as in the old ones
[01:46] <mko> slight problem is, I can't configure wifi on my phone, its some preset stuff I don't know about
[01:46] <mko> other than password ofcourse
[01:46] <mko> I'm not sure how to scan it
[01:46] <mko> ooh
[01:48] <mko> either I broke it or it takes a loong time
[01:50] <mko> should it work if I add "auto wlp3s0; iface wlp3s0 inet dhcp" to interface?
[01:52] <mko> at least iwlist scan returns no scan results, so that might be a good sign, but there is wlans so it's still not working.
[01:52] <RoyK> you'll need the ssid and the password obviously
[02:09] <mko> okay I might be getting there, now iwconfig didnt return error
[02:09] <mko> but i didnt give it password, I might be blind as I can't seem to find how to from man :o
[02:12] <mko> I just get invalid argument "password"
[02:41] <mko> I dont understand how i can misspell "iwconfig ssid key s:pw"
[02:41] <mko> ssid -> was supposed to write iface
[02:41] <mko> anyhow it returns "set failed on device iface ; invalid argument
[02:45] <mko> most likely iphone uses wpa/wpa2 and its not working?
[02:47] <aates> wpa_supplicant is used to connect with wpa
[03:29] <mko> I might've gotten further, but wpa_supplicant returns error invalid group wheel, and failed to initialize control interface /var/run/wpa_supplicant
[03:37] <aates> mko: did you use the right driver? You can see your list of supported drivers with wpa_supplicant -h
[03:41] <mko> i tried nl80211, wext and wired but no luck
[03:42] <mko> wext gave also ioctl[siocs]wencodeext]: Invalid argument
[03:42] <aates> mine was nl80211
[03:42] <aates> I have panda wifi adaptor
[03:44] <aates> i ordered it because it said it works on linux
[03:46] <mko> integrated 802.11 b/g/n or 802.11 ac
[03:46] <mko> whatever that means
[03:47] <mko> thanks for helping, nightshift is over and time to go to sleep. :)
[03:48] <aates> np
[04:34] <lucas_ai> I'm trying to run a python script on startup. Where should I put the script on my filesystem? And how do I make it start when booting?
[05:18] <lucas_ai> Am I supposed to use /etc/init or /etc/init.d for my own daemons in the latest ubuntu? The internet doesn't say
[09:26] <samba35> i am new to maas ,i  think i have setup a maas (getting web gui ) but i have no idea now how do i add node and how do i boot client from host using pxe /remote boot
[09:27] <samba35> using ubuntu 16.04.1
[14:31] <lunaphyte> sadly, i must run an ftp server.  can i solicit recommendations for a reasonably unshitty choice of software?
[14:32] <lunaphyte> ideally, it would support ldap directly.
[14:32] <lunaphyte> [as opposed to indirectly, through nss/pam]
[14:34] <cncr04s> pureftpd? just apt it, it has ldap,mysql versions too
[14:34] <lunaphyte> so far, the consensus seems to be one of pureftp, vsftpd, or proftpd
[14:35] <lunaphyte> cncr04s: thanks for the vote.  do you specifically prefer pureftpd over the others?
[14:35] <lunaphyte> oh - it must support ftps too, of course.  plaintext ftp won't be allowed
[16:02] <natmal> Could someone please help me figure out why unattended-upgrade isn't sending emails, even though it's configured to do so, and it seems to be applying updates correctly?
[16:03] <ikonia> can you machine send emails
[16:03] <ikonia> thats the first test
[16:03] <natmal> Yes. mailx is installed and verified functioning.
[16:04] <natmal> Or at least the 'mail' command is.
[16:04] <ikonia> so your host can send mail - how is the unattended-upgrade calling the mail command
[16:05] <natmal> No idea; I didn't see any configuration for that.
[16:06] <natmal> MAIL_BINARY = "/usr/bin/mail"
[16:06] <natmal> And SENDMAIL_BINARY = "/usr/sbin/sendmail"
[16:06] <ikonia> ok - so it's calling /usr/bin/mail
[16:06] <ikonia> thats good
[16:06] <ikonia> check /usr/sbin/sendmail exists and is a s symlink to postfix
[16:07] <natmal> /usr/sbin/sendmail looks like an ELF
[16:08] <ikonia> really ? you're running sendmail on your box ?
[16:08] <ikonia> thats not default
[16:11] <natmal> I'm not sure where to go from that.
[16:11] <ikonia> do you have the sendmail package installed ?
[16:12] <natmal> Lemme figure out how to do that on ubuntu; if these things had Portage I would be able to tell you now. :3
[16:12] <natmal> dpkg-query says sendmail is not installed.
[16:13] <natmal> And if I use apt-get to try to install it, it wants to remove postfix and install a bunch of sendmail packages.
[16:14] <natmal> Default or not, sendmail is functional.
[16:15] <apb1963>  /usr/share/boot-sav/gui-g2slaunch.sh: line 29: 11520 Segmentation fault      (core dumped) $G2S $1 -g ./$PACK_NAME.glade -s ... full details here:          pastebin.com/kSjuHkPP
[16:15] <ikonia> natmal: ls -la /usr/sbin/sendmail
[16:16] <natmal> ikonia: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26648 Apr 13 12:58 /usr/sbin/sendmail
[16:16] <natmal> It's not a symlink.
[16:16] <apb1963> natmal: Are you sure they're not just stuck in the queue?  Type mailq
[16:16] <ikonia> thats very odd, it's normally a symlink, I guess postfix must now be shipping it's vinary as "sendmail"
[16:16] <natmal> Mail queue is empty.
[16:17] <ikonia> does the mail log show it trying to be sent
[16:18] <apb1963> and does unattended-upgrade have a log?  check that for errors.
[16:21] <natmal> No errors in the unattended-upgrades logs. I'm not sure about the mail log; my assumption is that they're all test emails when I was trying to turn this functionality on last week.
[16:21] <natmal> Is running unattended-upgrade manually supposed to trigger emails?
[16:22] <ikonia> check the mail log
[16:22] <natmal> I have MailOnlyOnError set to "false"
[16:22] <ikonia> it will show anything that is proccesed by the mail system
[16:24] <natmal> mail.log only has startup info for postfix (Doesn't have anything about the test email I sent earlier today). mail.log.1 only has entries from the 3rd.
[16:24] <ikonia> natmal: there should be a postfix log of it's own
[16:24] <ikonia> the syslog may also show mail attempts (I can't remember the channel split without looking)
[16:27] <natmal> No mail/postfix attempts that I can find in any of the syslog files.
[16:28] <ikonia> doesn't look like it's trying to mail out
[16:28] <ikonia> I'd check the docs to see what the behvaiour is expected
[16:30] <natmal> Docs say that /usr/bin/mail is required, but the code tries to use /usr/sbin/sendmail? :P
[16:31] <ikonia> look at what the expected behaviour is
[16:34] <natmal> There doesn't seem to be any documentation beyond "notifications will be sent to this address assuming you have a working mail setup".
[16:35] <natmal> I've looked at the Automatic Updates page in the Official Ubuntu Documentation, the AutomaticSecurityUpdates page in the Community Help wiki, and the UnattendedUpgrades page on the Debian wiki.
[16:35] <patdk-lap> look in /var/log/mail.log
[16:36] <patdk-lap> and search for pickup
[16:36] <natmal> patdk-lap: 2 matches from the 3rd; test emails. This system was automatically updated requiring a reboot between then and now.
[16:37] <patdk-lap> well, the sendmail binary puts the email in the maildrop folder
[16:37] <patdk-lap> and pickup should see it, and then act on it
[16:37] <patdk-lap> is postfix running?
[16:37] <patdk-lap> does /var/spool/postfix/maildrop have files in it?
[16:38] <natmal> No files in maildrop; postfix is not running.
[16:38] <natmal> Does postfix need to be running if configured solely as a relay?
[16:38] <natmal> I take that back; postfix is indeed running.
[16:39] <ikonia> postfix is not running....you will not get mail
[16:39] <patdk-lap> does a webserver need to be running to solely serve webpages?
[16:39] <natmal> Wrong flags on ps. :3
[16:39] <patdk-lap> if your doing relay only, you should just use a nullmailer instead
[16:39] <patdk-lap> msmtp, or something
[16:42] <natmal> Will switching to that make unattended-upgrades start wanting to send mail?
[16:49] <natmal> I might stick with postfix; I'm not finding much information about SASL support in nullmailer, and msmtp doesn't appear to have a global config?
[16:50] <natmal> Oh, I think I found it.
[16:52] <patdk-lap> it's doubtful either of them will solve the issue
[16:53] <patdk-lap> but it will remove a lot of configuration problems from being the issue
[16:53] <patdk-lap> using postfix as a nullmailer is generally extreem overkill and extra complications for most
[16:57] <natmal> Okay, msmtp is configured.
[17:04] <natmal> Yeah, I think I'm going to stick with postfix. I don't have to jump through a bunch of hoops trying to securely store upstream passwords with msmtp.
[17:16] <natmal> Huh. I think email notifications are working; I may have been chasing my tail.
[17:18] <natmal> Thanks for all the help anyway
[17:23] <lunaphyte> securely store upstream passwords?
[17:24] <lunaphyte> how do you "securely store upstream passwords" with postfix?
[17:27] <tomreyn> when is this a use case?
[17:29] <lunaphyte> what?
[17:33] <tomreyn> which passwords do you want stored securely?
[17:33] <lunaphyte> "upstream passwords", he says
[17:34] <tomreyn> right, that's not very clear, and so i'm asking
[17:35] <lunaphyte> "upstream passwords" is pretty clear.  "securely storing" them with postfix isn't though
[17:49] <DexterF> hi
[17:51] <DexterF> installed server 16.04.1 on: 3 disks in raid5 on sda1 sdb1 sdc1. then on md0 created an lvm PV, there a VG with 3 LV: root, swap, home. so /boot is part of /. it then proceeded to install, then install grub.
[17:52] <DexterF> won't boot. says "cannot find filesystem" -> grub rescue.
[18:11] <tomreyn> DexterF: you probably need a separate boot LVM. it's even possible that you need to have it as a separate partition without extra layers.
[18:13] <lunaphyte>  /boot on lvm is fine
[18:13] <tomreyn> also make sure the UUIDs in your /etc/fstab are correct (compare to 'blkid' output) and that you have run update-grub, and that you are using an initrd with all modules, not the limited set.
[18:14] <lunaphyte> i'd suggest mounting with labels rather than uuids in fstab
[18:14] <tomreyn> lunaphyte: and boot on lvm on md raid5 is fine, too?
[18:14] <lunaphyte> it works for me
[18:14] <tomreyn> i'd suggest mounting with uuids rather than labels in fstab ;)
[18:15] <tomreyn> because they are universal
[18:16] <lunaphyte> no more so than the label specified by the admin ;)
[18:18] <tomreyn> if the bios has a bad day and passes devices in a different order (or you, that admin, made some silly changes which affe3ct the boot ordering), it will still work with uuids, but not labels.
[18:18] <lunaphyte> incorrect
[18:18] <tomreyn> enlighten me!
[18:19] <lunaphyte> labels of filesystems do not change just because the devices the filesystems reside on were detected in a different order
[18:20] <lunaphyte> if a filesystem is labelled 'root', than that is its label.  it doesn't matter when it shows up
[18:29] <lunaphyte> for reference, here is a system with 4 disks, each with a gpt table containing a raid partition.  assembled into a raid5 device, being used as an lvm pv, with an lv for "/".  no separate /boot.  http://dpaste.com/0A3DX29.txt
[18:31] <lunaphyte> wag:  you didn't install grub on the right disk [hint: install it on all of them], and/or you should include a bios_grub partition on each of the disks
[18:52] <DexterF> tomreyn: well, I'll have to rig a live system to assemble the raid first, at present I can't even access the array. update-grub and anything about the initd wsa not really queried, I ran with what the installer wanted to do. I did the entire setup with it, too
[18:58] <lunaphyte> to do a setup like that, i would suggest running the installer in cli expert mode
[18:59] <tomreyn> lunaphyte: turns outr we had a misunderstand in regards to the term 'label' - i was assuming you were referring to device paths.
[18:59] <tomreyn> ...such as /dev/sda1
[18:59] <lunaphyte> oh
[18:59] <lunaphyte> i've never heard that called a label
[19:00] <DexterF> lunaphyte: does the installer offer that at the start...? don't remember such an option
[19:00] <tomreyn> lunaphyte: you're right, it's not, my bad
[19:00] <lunaphyte> no worries, it's all good
[19:00] <lunaphyte> DexterF: yes
[19:00] <DexterF> lunaphyte: ok, i'll retry then.
[19:00] <lunaphyte> you need to press an f key or something like that, iirc
[19:01] <lunaphyte> is this for a server?
[19:01] <lunaphyte> i guess regardless, i'd also suggest the minimal installer iso
[19:01] <DexterF> one other thing: it seems I had to go LVM as I did not see any options in the installer to create md partitions, so md0p1 etc. not available? stick to lvm anyway?
[19:01] <lunaphyte> that said, you could boot into the live cd, and assembly the bits yourself from a shell, i suppose
[19:02] <lunaphyte> i would always use lvm, period.
[19:02] <tomreyn> personally i'd even go so far as to do the parititioning first, from a live linux, then use the installer to install.
[19:02] <DexterF> lunaphyte: actually it's going to be a media center on kodi, so I will install a light desktop afterwards, I went for the server variant to directly install as raid5 on the existing 3 disks, I did not want to add another disk for keeping the power consumption at bay
[19:03] <lunaphyte> if it were me, i'd do the minimal iso installer
[19:03] <DexterF> I got the 600MB cd on usb here, any gain in switiching to minimal? that will start on expert cli right away?
[19:04] <lunaphyte> no, but you'll not end up with a bunch of garbage that you have no use for
[19:04] <lunaphyte> well, you still will - but less of it
[19:04] <lunaphyte> ubuntu *sucks* at understanding the concept of minimal :)
[19:05] <DexterF> sounds good, after all, I'll need X, kodi, tvheadend and compile the latter ones from src anyway
[19:05] <lunaphyte> you can always sintall whatever you want, at any time.
[19:05] <lunaphyte> *install
[19:05] <DexterF> that's the plan
[19:06] <DexterF> by the way, if I can boot the iso, can I do the installation remotely via ssh somehow?
[19:06] <lunaphyte> probably
[19:07] <DexterF> ok, no official feature then.
[19:07] <lunaphyte> there might be.  it's just not something i happene to be familiar with
[19:07] <lunaphyte> *happen
[19:10] <DexterF> there is talk of the "network installer" - that said "minimal" iso?
[19:10] <lunaphyte> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[19:11] <lunaphyte> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[19:29] <tomreyn> DexterF: ssh installation won't work unless it's manually selected from the advanced menu of the mini.iso installer, or preseeded.
[19:32] <tomreyn> i.e. unless you preseed the installer for ssh, you will need to be physically present, or have a networked KVM or serial console (but then you probably wouldn't ask for the ssh method), to boot the installer and select the ssh installation option. once that's done, you can finish the installation remotely.
[19:33] <lunaphyte> that's neat
[20:42] <DexterF> tomreyn: thanks
[20:54] <tomreyn> DexterF: welcome
[21:02] <znf> Hello.
[21:03] <znf> I recently upgraded a server from 14.04 to 16.04. Now when I use byobu (with tmux) when I press left/right arrow I get an orange circle int he middle of my screen: http://i.imgur.com/96BEyWt.png
[21:46] <mko> I installed fresh server, then xen, but now i got stuck in the bootloop. last thing i see on screen is "loading initial ramdisk ..."
[21:46] <mko> not sure if dmesg should have something in it but its empty
[21:47] <mko> only advice i found was about updating bios but its up to date
[23:21] <tikun> on an EFI install, is grub installed on the ESP partition or the standard / partition


[12:16] <tham> Is it possible to make the Unity Launcher display only the apps in the current workspace?
[15:09] <Nel> i have problems with sound in ubuntu 12.04
[15:10] <Nel> distorted sound
[17:44] <meebey> any libmessaging-menu hackers around? I am porting Smuxi from libindicate to libmessage-menu and noticed an API issue that other clients (like xchat-indicate) seem to ignore
[18:16] <sbte> meebey, I ported emesene from libindicate to libmessagingmenu if that helps
[19:38] <meebey> sbte: do you have an URL with the patch?
[21:39] <sbte> meebey, https://github.com/emesene/emesene/commits/752fa1c75e8429cba14ef71476fbab64020ca25f
[21:40] <sbte> all the commits that contain messagingmenu up to the version 2.12.9 commit


[07:16] <eagles0513875> faileas: hehe
[07:16] <eagles0513875> faileas: what version of upstart are you running
[07:17] <faileas> i'm currently working on a test run for moving my karmic based server over to lucid. I need to start an app after my network connection is up, and i'm having issues with the configureation http://serverfault.com/questions/117584/upstart-scripts-run-a-task-after-networking-goes-up that spells out my precise current config - i think start on startup starts it too early, and causes it to fail. any ideas on how to fix it, and what i need to do?


[18:55] <ahayzen> cjwatson, ping
[21:42] <Logan_> Hey, so - when do merge proposals on Launchpad start being considered for Raring?
[23:52] <quidnunc> Can I use backportpackage on a ppa package?


[01:28] <xubuntu228> Can upgrade from Xubuntu 9.10 to 10.10 via the xubuntu 10.10 ISO?
[01:28] <xubuntu228> ... without having to burn it to a CD?
[01:30] <xubuntu228> ... or can I upgrade 9.10 to whatever the current version is via the internet?
[01:32] <Noskcaj> all are options
[01:33] <Noskcaj> i think you need a cd or usb to upgrade 9.10 to 10.10 though
[01:35] <xubuntu228> I found it. System > Update Manager = "you're out of date, please update" > clicked Update and not it's downloading the packages from the net and will update, I guess
[01:35] <xubuntu228> .. to 10.04 LTS it looks like
[01:35] <xubuntu228> Thanks for your help
[01:36] <pleia2> xubuntu228: you can't go directly from 9.10 to 10.10, have to go to 10.04 first
[01:37] <xubuntu228> Yea, it looks like that's what it's doing. I don't really care what version I go to, as long as it's one that's supported
[01:37] <xubuntu228> Unless I can stick with 9.04 and have an up to date system with 9.04?
[01:37] <xubuntu228> i.e. update Firefox and what not, even with 9.04. Will that work?
[01:38] <xubuntu228> I assumed I couldn't do that, because it seems to be telling me the repositories aren't valid for 9.04
[01:38] <xubuntu228> so I assumed I would have to update to a supported version (e.g. the 10.04 it's currently updating ti)
[02:00] <TeamRocket1233c> You can easily use Openbox or Fluxbox as the Xubuntu WM, right?
[02:01] <TeamRocket1233c> Or would you pretty much be restricted to either Compiz or xfwm4 due to some Xubuntu-specific features requiring those WMs?
[02:02] <TeamRocket1233c> I mean it would be kinda cool to use Fluxbox or Openbox as the Xubuntu WM, I mean that would make it lighter-weight right there, as well as adding more customizability, due to the heavy customizability of Openbox and Fluxbox.
[02:05] <xubuntu228> I'm fairly sure you can use fluxbox on xubunutu - > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fluxbox
[02:06] <TeamRocket1233c> And Openbox?
[02:07] <TeamRocket1233c> Would not try using Openbox or Fluxbox as the GNOME 3 WM though.
[02:08] <TeamRocket1233c> I mean unless you're ready for some HEAVY hacking and tweaking, GNOME 3 + Openbox or Fluxbox would be a disaster.
[02:09] <xubuntu228> I think you can use openbox as well - > http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:XFCE/Openbox or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1832656
[02:09] <TeamRocket1233c> Pretty much as long as it makes Xubuntu lighter-weight and more customizable than stock. -shrug-
[02:10] <TeamRocket1233c> Plus I think Xubuntu or Xfce, period, with Fluxbox or Openbox as the WM would kinda look cooler than stock Xubuntu or Xfce too.
[02:11] <TeamRocket1233c> Faster, lighter-weight, more customizable, and would look cooler.
[02:13] <TeamRocket1233c> Anyways, I'ma go for the night, I'll be back whenever, bye! -wave-
[04:40] <kotg_luvin> hello all from my new cheap craigslist netbook
[04:41] <kotg_luvin> xubuntu runs like a dream
[04:42] <holstein> kotg_luvin: enjoy!... i have a few CL eeepc's.. this last one i got refurbished from a vendor
[04:42] <kotg_luvin> this is an eeepc
[04:42] <kotg_luvin> 1001px
[04:42] <kotg_luvin> I didn't bother with running 64-bit though
[04:42] <kotg_luvin> it runs well at 32
[04:42] <holstein> yeah... i didnt either
[04:43] <kotg_luvin> This actually runs faster than my main laptop
[04:43] <kotg_luvin> and that one overheats all the time
[04:43] <holstein> kotg_luvin: could be a graphics driver... or just some dust around the CPU
[04:43] <kotg_luvin> probably a bit of both
[04:43] <kotg_luvin> amd graphics
[04:43] <kotg_luvin> arch linux
[04:44] <kotg_luvin> can't get the ati drivers working
[04:44] <holstein> i like the EEE's... goot battery life.. decent linux support... light weight... cheap
[04:44] <kotg_luvin> yeah
[04:44] <kotg_luvin> It's a white one, so it actually looks pretty sleek.
[04:45] <kotg_luvin> I have to travel a lot, and this one will serve me much better.
[04:45] <holstein> i got a few black ones... this new one is red and a dual core... pretty peppy
[04:46] <kotg_luvin> my gf wants one now, so I'll probably pick up a dual core
[04:47] <kotg_luvin> a pink one
[04:47] <kotg_luvin> or turquoise
[04:47] <kotg_luvin> I got this one for like 100
[04:47] <kotg_luvin> the dual cores are 300 brand new, so one will pop up around 150-200 soon on craigslist
[04:48] <holstein> mine was just under $200
[04:48] <holstein> i bought 2gigs of memory for it
[04:50] <kotg_luvin> I need to get 2 gigs on this one
[04:50] <kotg_luvin> it's only got 1
[04:50] <kotg_luvin> I'm thinking of getting an ssd as well
[04:51] <holstein> kotg_luvin: its not easy getting inside them...
[04:51] <kotg_luvin> yeah
[04:51] <kotg_luvin> I pulled apart my old aspire one
[04:51] <kotg_luvin> that was a pain
[04:52] <kotg_luvin> an ssd and 2 gigs of ram would be nice, though
[05:21] <karneisada> hello all
[11:12] <recon_lap> not good, computer hard locked :(
[12:10] <Xinfe_> Hi, I have a question for a tricky installation of Xubuntu
[12:10] <Xinfe_> I want to move from Debian to Xubuntu, and I have no CD available nor USB key
[12:11] <Xinfe_> I have used unetbootin (and therefore grub2) to boot the ISO
[12:11] <Xinfe_> Now, when I run the installer to install Xubuntu on another partition, here is the error I get:
[12:12] <Xinfe_> The installer needs to commit changes to the partition table, but cannt do su because pattitions on the following mount point could not be unmounted:
[12:12] <Xinfe_>  /cdrom
[12:12] <Xinfe_> Do you have any idea to get around this problem?
[12:13] <Xinfe_> (When I hit the "Continue" button, the installer is stuck to "Descting file system")
[12:14] <Xinfe_> Detecting*
[12:18] <jnm> you're repartitioning the same disk you're booting from.
[12:20] <Xinfe_> Yes, I have only one HDD
[12:20] <Xinfe_> And I booted the ISO from this disk
[12:20] <Xinfe_> I have no external media available
[12:21] <Xinfe_> I have tried adding "toram" option in grub (to be able to unmount the /cdrom, but with no luck
[12:22] <jnm> I think that if you boot linux over the network, it will not mount the hdd.
[12:24] <Xinfe_> Hummm.... I guess it means I need to have another computer at home, or I can directly access a remote server outside of my lan ?
[12:24] <jnm> sorry, I have no idea.
[12:25] <jnm> I don't know how to do it.
[12:25] <Xinfe_> There is no "official" option to copy the system to RAM and free the HDD ?
[12:26] <jnm> that should be toram. but you say it didn't work.
[12:27] <Xinfe_> Yeah, i'm currently on the live, with the toram option
[12:27] <Xinfe_> And the installer still refuses to install
[12:28] <Xinfe_> Is there a text-based installer I can use?
[12:28] <Xinfe_> (From this live, not the alternate cd)
[12:28] <Xinfe_> This live is the only system which is still working on my computer
[12:43] <recon_lap> Xinfe: the alt installer is text based
[13:11] <Xinfe> recon_lap: the alt installer?
[13:11] <Xinfe> recon_lap: The other iso file?
[13:13] <Mathias> alternate installer
[13:13] <Xinfe> recon_lap: I can't use it, I have no external media
[13:14] <Xinfe> The only system I can use is this very current liveCD booted from my hard drive
[13:41] <Mathias> Xinfe: sounds like you are *bleep*ed
[13:43] <Xinfe> Mathias: No, I just remembered I have an iPod nano I almost never use
[13:44] <Xinfe> I hope it will do the trick
[13:44] <TheSheep> are ipods still visible without itunes installed?
[13:45] <Xinfe> Yeah, the Nano ones :)
[13:46] <Xinfe> At least the one I own
[13:46] <Xinfe> Maybe the newer versions doesn't
[14:26] <adambedded_home> Hello room.  I'm a recent newcomer to the world of linux.  I'm hoping I might be able to get some advice
[14:26] <TheSheep> !hi | adambedded_home
[14:27] <adambedded_home> the main problem is that my usb port is not recognized in Xubuntu 12.04.  It was OK with 8.10.  libusb returns a -99 (could not initialize) error
[14:27] <Xinfe> OK, so booting on the ipod is not working with Unetbootin
[14:27] <TheSheep> Xinfe: that sucks
[14:27] <Xinfe> Maybe the boot sectors are wrte protected
[14:28] <TheSheep> Xinfe: or the whole thing just pretends to be a disk
[14:28] <Xinfe> I'll try to get Grub boot the raw iso file on the ipod
[14:28] <jnm> wait, you can connect the ipod (I guess through usb) but can't use a common usb stick?
[14:28] <Xinfe> I don't have one
[14:28] <Xinfe> It's the only external media I have
[14:29] <Xinfe> (No server in the LAN neither)
[14:29] <TheSheep> adambedded_home: anything more in dmesg?
[14:29] <adambedded_home> yes, actually
[14:29] <TheSheep> adambedded_home: can you pastebin it?
[14:30] <adambedded_home> yup, give me just a sec
[14:38] <adambedded_home> ok....unfortunately, my usb port is my only connection to the outside world
[14:39] <adambedded_home> I do have some details that may help in figuring out what's wrong, I did my homework on this one
[14:41] <adambedded_home> the problem is that Xubuntu is not identifying the USB port from the motherboard's bios.  I've flashed the bios to the latest revision, but there are still no settings for it in the BIOS setup. This is most likely an ACPI issue or something else along those lines
[14:41] <adambedded_home> Can I give you just the lines of dmesg that are pertinent?
[14:42] <adambedded_home> more or less, it opens up the HCI drivers, then can't find an IRQ to assign
[14:42] <adambedded_home> then gives me the "Found HC with no IRQ. Check BIOS/PCI)
[14:43] <hipparchia> hi :)
[14:43] <primo_> hi
[14:43] <adambedded_home> I'm pretty sure it will just take some boot options, be it ACPI on or off or APIC...but like I said I'm a newbie with this stuff
[14:43] <hipparchia> I have a prob with a black screen sometimes when I start ubuntu 12-04 on my eeepc seashell series
[14:44] <hipparchia> not always but sometimes it occurs and I must reboot and I can have a repair screen...
[14:44] <TheSheep> adambedded_home: looks like you already know more than me about it
[14:44] <hipparchia> I tried boot repair, but it does not work I had a grub rescue on my screen and impossible to do something else
[14:45] <hipparchia> so I reinstalled everything
[14:45] <hipparchia> but it still happens
[14:45] <hipparchia> I think that's something about my graphic card
[14:47] <adambedded_home> did you start with a previous version of Xubuntu like 10 or 11?
[14:47] <hipparchia> no I use 12.04 for a few monthes, this prob began only a few days ago
[14:48] <adambedded_home> but was 12.04 the only Xubuntu you ever installed?
[14:48] <hipparchia> yes
[14:50] <adambedded_home> what does the repair screen look like?
[14:50] <hipparchia> a few lines that beg me to choose about the normal version or a repair version
[14:52] <adambedded_home> OK.   So the repair/normal boot screen is to be expected
[14:52] <adambedded_home> now, you said you get a "black screen"....I assume you mean completely blank?  For how long?
[14:53] <hipparchia> it never stops
[14:53] <hipparchia> it stays blank
[14:53] <adambedded_home> how long have you tried letting it sit?
[14:53] <hipparchia> 15 min
[14:53] <adambedded_home> is there any hard drive activity during that time?
[14:53] <hipparchia> it  seems
[14:54] <hipparchia> cause all lights are turned on on my comp
[14:54] <adambedded_home> also, how often does this happen?
[14:54] <hipparchia> one time on two
[14:55] <hipparchia> sorry my english is not very fluent :)
[14:57] <adambedded_home> Just wanted to politely bump my issue with ACPI recognition in case anyone who's recently come in can possibly help
[15:04] <recon_lap> hipparchia: this might have some interesting tricks https://sites.google.com/site/mtrons/howtos/eeepc-1015pn
[15:04] <hipparchia> many thanks, recon_lap :)
[15:11] <hipparchia> am reading it, interesting :)
[15:18] <hipparchia> bye all and thanks to adambedded_home and recon_lap :)
[18:10] <ner0x> Good afternoon. Thinking of switching from debian to xubuntu. Any comparison docs, etc. ?
[18:15] <SkippersBoss> ner0x, You can always try out the live cd. If your hardware functions ok you should be ok to switch
[18:16] <ner0x> SkippersBoss: Really, the only things I'm worried about are the ability to set quick keys and having a newish postgresql.
[18:16] <adambedded_home> grrr...still can't get this USB port working
[18:17] <adambedded_home> I've got it in lshw
[18:17] <ner0x> I can not work without 4 desktops, quick keys to launch programs, and being able to max/min, close, switch desktops.
[18:17] <TheSheep> ner0x: you can do all this with xfce on debian just fine
[18:17] <adambedded_home> but linux is looking for an irq and can't seem to see it
[18:17] <Unit193> !info postgresql
[18:18] <SkippersBoss> quick keys can be easily set. I am NOT an expert just some one who has been using it for a while
[18:18] <SkippersBoss> multiple virtual desktop is not a problem
[18:19] <ner0x> TheSheep: I know I can. Debian is a bit too "stable" for me, if you get my meaning.
[18:20] <ner0x> TheSheep: I know where you're coming from. Unfortunately xfce4 package is only on 4.6
[18:21] <TheSheep> ner0x: there are several distributions of debian, with varying age of the packages
[18:22] <ner0x> TheSheep: What do you mean? Examples?
[18:22] <TheSheep> ner0x: I forgot the names, but there is previous stable, stable and unstable
[18:22] <TheSheep> the latter having all the newest stuff
[18:23] <ner0x> TheSheep: Oh, yes, I know what you mean. Even the unstable doesn't have anything newer than 4.6.
[18:23] <ner0x> TheSheep: debian backports is the unstable repo you speak of.
[18:24] <TheSheep> no, backports is a repo of packages from the unstable distribution backported to the stable one
[18:24] <Unit193> TheSheep: Testing, unstable, and one even crazier.
[18:24] <Unit193>      <IP_ADDRESS> 0
[18:24] <Unit193>         500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing/main i386 Packages
[18:24] <TheSheep> Unit193: the one with the code that is still not written yet? ;)
[18:25] <ner0x> Oh, so I missed one?
[18:25] <Sysi> !xfce4-panel testing
[18:25] <Sysi> meh, I think ubotttu used to have debian too
[18:25] <Unit193> !info xfce4 testing
[18:25] <Sysi> stupid me
[18:27] <ner0x> Btw, how old is 4.10 ?
[18:29] <TheSheep> what is 4.10?
[18:29] <ner0x> Sorry, xfce
[18:29] <Sysi> it's been out a couple of months I think
[18:30] <drc> xfce 4.10 was released in April
[18:30] <ner0x> Maybe a bit too new.
[18:30] <ner0x> I'll try out the live cd.
[18:32] <ner0x> Desktop vs Alternate, what's the difference?
[18:32] <Unit193> ner0x: If you wait a few days/weeks next version will be out.
[18:32] <knome> ner0x, only desktop has the live cd possibility, alternate is text installation only
[18:33] <ner0x> Unit193: I'm doing this on a laptop that can be wiped over and over. So, just testing the waters right now.
[18:33] <ner0x> knome: Thank you.
[19:04] <xubuntu815> Stupid question how do I download Xubuntu do I need a blank cd? or do I order the distro?
[19:05] <knome> xubuntu815, the easiest way is to download the .iso and burn it to a blank disc, yes
[19:05] <TheSheep> !install
[19:05] <xubuntu815> Thanks, I want to use a cd so I can just fresh install it
[19:09] <blackgatonegro1> try with a usb flash drive
[20:14] <[JJ]Albert> Hello, fellow Xubuntu users.
[20:15] <[JJ]Albert> I have a problem which is killing me... but 1 sec
[20:16] <[JJ]Albert> Ugh, random call.
[20:16] <[JJ]Albert> Anyways, I'm having trouble with ALSA.
[20:17] <[JJ]Albert> I can get sound playing in Banshee with my alsa drivers, but for Wine and Flash I get no sound.
[20:17] <recon_lap> [JJ]Albert: how did you install flash?
[20:18] <[JJ]Albert> I never installed flash. It came with the system.
[20:18] <[JJ]Albert> Well
[20:18] <[JJ]Albert> OS
[20:18] <[JJ]Albert> I built the system.
[20:18] <[JJ]Albert> Also, they were both working fine yesterday.
[20:21] <[JJ]Albert> So basically, what are all the ALSA related things to reinstall with synaptic in console
[20:21] <[JJ]Albert> ?
[20:22] <[JJ]Albert> These problems all started a few weeks ago, when a freak power-outage ruined my audio drivers, and in a panic to fix them I accidentally installed a bunch of useless Ubuntu dependencies. I had the audio fixed though, until today.
[20:23] <[JJ]Albert> It works fine only in Banshee, and I don't know why.
[20:23] <recon_lap> [JJ]Albert: you could try alsa-base package
[20:23] <[JJ]Albert> Yeh, I'll try that.
[20:23] <[JJ]Albert> But my confusion is mostly in why only Banshee has audio.
[20:25] <recon_lap> [JJ]Albert: have you checked alsa-mixer and all the relevant sound setting in each app?
[20:25] <[JJ]Albert> Yes.
[20:25] <[JJ]Albert> They are all the same.
[20:25] <[JJ]Albert> Nothing was changed between yesterday and today.
[20:26] <recon_lap> [JJ]Albert: sry, but don't have any ideas. no real info to go on.
[20:26] <[JJ]Albert> I reinstalled alsa-base. It didn't add in any of the second packages.
[20:26] <[JJ]Albert> secondary, that is.
[20:28] <[JJ]Albert> Well I'll reset now. See if reinstalling alsa-base solved anything.
[20:31] <[JJ]Albert> Say, that seems to work so far.  Pardon my language...
[20:33] <[JJ]Albert> Yep, it's all fixed. Thanks for the help you could give there, recon_lap.
[20:34] <recon_lap> np, glad it works
[20:35] <[JJ]Albert> Yeah, it just aggravates me, y'know?
[20:35] <[JJ]Albert> ALSA is better than Pulseaudio, but it's less hand-holding and more trial-error.
[20:36] <[JJ]Albert> So if someone could combine the best of pulse with the best of ALSA, then all the power to them.
[20:36] <recon_lap> well it open source, so your free to get working on it ;-)
[20:37] <[JJ]Albert> But I'm no programmer. :(
[20:37] <[JJ]Albert> I'm just a guy who jumped on the *nix bandwagon around Ubuntu's rise.
[20:37] <[JJ]Albert> Although I've known about it since the early 00s.
[20:38] <[JJ]Albert> Back when redhat was popular. But I was a wee-youngin then, to put it bluntly.
[20:38] <recon_lap> anyway, this is support channel, there is xubuntu-offtopic for chatting
[20:38] <[JJ]Albert> Oh, srry. :p
[20:38] <[JJ]Albert> Well, I've been supported, so later.
[20:38] <[JJ]Albert> Thanks again.
[21:53] <adambedded_home> Hey everyone...still banging my head against the wall with this USB port IRQ issue
[21:56] <adambedded_home> if anyone is well-versed in BIOS/Motherbord vs. OS compatibility, help would be majorly appreciated
[21:57] <holstein> adambedded_home: maybe rtirq ? http://packages.debian.org/sid/misc/rtirq-init
[21:57] <holstein> whats the issue anyways... what machine... i usually find some workaround with the hardware when possieble
[21:58] <holstein> possible*
[22:00] <adambedded_home> this is a Hinote VP from around 1995, it's running at 266 MHz with 144 MB of RAM, so I'm running the alternate install
[22:01] <holstein> i think you should have realistic expectations of that hardware as well.. it might not be an IRQ issue.. maybe its just slow
[22:02] <adambedded_home> according to the dmesg output, when it goes to initialize the hci drivers for the usb port
[22:02] <adambedded_home> "can't find IRQ for PCI INT D; try using pci=biosirq"
[22:02] <adambedded_home> I tried the biosirq switch in grub but it didn't make a difference
[22:03] <holstein> adambedded_home: do you have anything plugged in via USB? can you just disable USB in the bois
[22:03] <holstein> bios*
[22:03] <adambedded_home> unfortunately the bios has no settings regarding the usb port, and it's the latest revision of the BIOS firmware that was ever released
[22:04] <adambedded_home> according to the specs for my specific motherboard, USB is hardwired to 10
[22:05] <adambedded_home> I'm thinking it's most likely an ACPI or APIC issue
[22:05] <adambedded_home> something is causing that port's IRQ not to be routed properly to the OS
[22:06] <holstein> adambedded_home: shouldnt.. you have nothing plugged in, correct/
[22:07] <holstein> adambedded_home: does anything run on the hardware? any OS? have you tried a puppy linux live CD?
[22:07] <adambedded_home> hmm...that's probably something I should check out, I've had my network fob plugged into it
[22:07] <holstein> adambedded_home: i would plug *nothing* up to it... just install, and cross your fingers and those specs
[22:08] <adambedded_home> oh yeah, it's dualbooted with windows 98, I had xubuntu 8.10 and had no trouble with the USB.  This only became an issue when I installed 12.04
[22:08] <holstein> adambedded_home: i would also like to see anything boot up on that hardware to see that it is working
[22:08] <adambedded_home> Xubuntu is perfectly functional at the moment with the exception of the USB port
[22:09] <holstein> adambedded_home: i might use 10.04 if its more supported.. support for legacy devices will need to be dropped from the kernel at some point, not that you cant make your own kernel and provide support
[22:09] <adambedded_home> yeah, I've been trying to wrap my brain around the ACPI stuff
[22:12] <holstein> adambedded_home: i would just get a kernel that would be more likely to support your hardware
[22:13] <adambedded_home> by kernel do you mean a different release?
[22:13] <adambedded_home> for instance, 10.04?
[22:13] <adambedded_home> or a modified kernel for 12?
[22:13] <adambedded_home> (sorry I'm a beginner)
[22:13] <holstein> adambedded_home: it literally wont hurt to try 10.04.. for a machine of that age, i wouldnt waste much time on it
[22:14] <holstein> adambedded_home: i would use what works.. i would maybe use puppy linux if i wanted a desktop.. or a server install of 12.04
[22:14] <adambedded_home> that's not a bad idea....8.1 was fine but I wanted the latest and greatest
[22:14] <holstein> adambedded_home: the lastest and greatest might not run that well on that hardware
[22:14] <holstein> adambedded_home: at that level, i think you should go with what works... boring, and stable
[22:15] <adambedded_home> I agree
[23:59] <adambedded_home> I noticed in my dmesg that a USB 2.0 driver is being installed in addition to my USB 1.1 driver.  I don't have USB 2.0, is there a way to uninstall that driver?


[15:45] <jrwren> ya know what would be really useful... a howto guide for dealing with/debugging ubuntu-cloudimg systems/containers.
[15:46] <jrwren> because when something goes wrong, and all your usual utilities aren't there becuase it is a minimal system, it is really annoying.
[15:46] <jrwren> TIL: the `ip` command isn't even installed.
[15:46] <jrwren> like... how do you even determine your own ip address???
[15:58] <cmaloney> whut?
[15:59] <cmaloney> Are they running busybox?
[18:28] <jrwren> no, it still has /bin/dash, but it is stripped to run containers and so only has minimal tools. not even systemd AFAICT, because a container doesn't need an init system
[18:30] <jrwren> it makes sense, but I do wish there were ways... I should have cat /proc/net/fib_trie
[18:31] <jrwren> but I didn't think of it at the time.
[18:45] <cmaloney> That feels like waiting for a cactus to grow to scratch your back
[18:51] <jrwren> lul
[19:06] <jrwren> i ultimately fixed my problem... hte problem was me... :)
[19:16] <cmaloney> uh huh
[19:17] <cmaloney> "I had not queried the network card firmware directly. How could I be so daft?!"
[19:26] <jrwren> oh no. i didn't really need to know the IP. I needed to fix docker DNS resolution. my local bind was denying queries from that docker network.
[19:26] <jrwren> this is what i get for having a convoluted DNS config including BIND using views fronting iphole.
[19:27] <jrwren> i basically route DNS requests to get the results I want. It works great, but when something isn't configured right, it doesn't.
[19:29] <cmaloney> heh


[17:18] <wpk> Hello maaspeople! Could someone please look at https://gitlab.isc.org/isc-projects/dhcp/-/issues/121 ? I know it's not directly MAAS-related, but isc-dhcp (afaik) is a crucial part of MAAS
[17:37] <ltrager> wpk: Canonical is maintaining isc-dhcpd. Packaging is done by us, not isc. I'll forward the bug to the rest of the MAAS team.
[17:40] <ltrager> wpk: Typically Ubuntu tracks packages from Debian. It looks like the reason the package hasn't been updated is that it wasn't updated in Debian.
[17:47] <wpk> ltrager: thanks
[17:49] <wpk> (or switch MAAS to Kea :>)
[19:37] <mup> Bug #1889467 opened: Ability for non-admins to create tags <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1889467>
[19:37] <mup> Bug #1889469 opened: WS API: config for disabling release notifications <api> <blocking-ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1889469>
[19:40] <mup> Bug #1889467 changed: Ability for non-admins to create tags <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1889467>
[19:40] <mup> Bug #1889469 changed: WS API: config for disabling release notifications <api> <blocking-ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1889469>
[19:46] <mup> Bug #1889467 opened: Ability for non-admins to create tags <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1889467>
[19:46] <mup> Bug #1889469 opened: WS API: config for disabling release notifications <api> <blocking-ui> <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1889469>
[21:19] <mup> Bug #1888673 changed: maas package doesn't install in focal lxd container <MAAS:Incomplete> <snapd:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1888673>


[01:07] <eipi_1> hello
[01:08] <bazhang> hi
[01:08] <eipi_1> hi
[01:08] <eipi_1> are you or is anyone familiar with lxle 12.04.5?
[01:08] <bazhang> try #ubuntu
[01:09] <eipi_1> uh..I have installed lxle
[01:09] <bazhang> this is not a support channel
[01:10] <eipi_1> umm, could you please point me in the right direction?  I am very unfamiliar with IRC.
[01:10] <Unit193> lxle isn't supported in #ubuntu.
[01:11] <bazhang> !alis | eipi_1
[01:12] <eipi_1> but it's a simple quandry I find myself in.  Even the most modest of geeks could advise.
[01:12] <eipi_1> would you be so kind?
[01:12] <bazhang> eipi_1, use alis to search for a support channel
[01:13] <eipi_1> wtf is alis?
[01:13] <bazhang> eipi_1, I just gave you a bot message about it
[01:13] <eipi_1> should I ixquick alis or is there something I can type in to the URL field?
[01:13] <eipi_1> oh
[01:16] <eipi_1> c'mon man, Ima noob and this is simple...
[01:16] <eipi_1> Ima boob
[01:16] <eipi_1> entertain>
[01:17] <eipi_1> ?>
[01:17] <bazhang>  /msg alis list lxle  <--- eipi_1
[01:18] <eipi_1> lol!  but I don't see alis!
[01:18] <eipi_1> you're first alphabetically
[01:19] <bazhang> eipi_1, /join #freenode for further help with this
[01:19] <eipi_1> okeedoke
 also booting from upstart restarts the computer for me
[01:46] <bazhang> booting from...restarts
[01:47] <bazhang> does that make sense
[01:48] <bazhang> oh this guy
[01:48] <bazhang> he did the same thing a few days ago
[01:48] <bazhang> ubutnu so buggy, going back to arch!
[03:04] <AScribe> How does a loser like me stop binge drinking?
[03:06] <bazhang> try a support forum, and not here AScribe
[03:07] <AScribe> but its me HFSPLUS
[03:08] <bazhang> yes
[03:08] <bazhang> that does not change the answer a whit
[03:09] <AScribe> you already knew
[03:09] <bazhang> please exit the channel at this time AScribe
[03:09] <AScribe> nah
[03:09] <AScribe> ban me
[03:09] <bazhang> I'm busy
[03:09] <AScribe> i will wait here all night until tomorrow until you kick/ban me
[03:09] <AScribe> so am i


[18:30] <Kilos> o/
[19:00] <jawn-smith> o/
[19:00] <rbasak> o/
[19:03] <teward> here but barely
[19:03] <teward> (Labor Day in USA)
[19:04] <teward> (and I have some errands i'm in the middle of running)
[19:08] <rbasak> Sorry, we need four DMB members for the meeting to be useful.
[19:09] <rbasak> I'll hang around until 15 minutes past the hour to see if anyone else shows up. If not, I'm going to disappear back to my evening.
[19:20] <jawn-smith> I'll see you on the 20th then.
[19:31] <teward> rbasak: i'd say it's better to reschedule, the fact this fell on a holiday for some of us kind of jacked up things, so lets move everything to next day
[19:34] <jawn-smith> That works for me
[19:34] <jawn-smith> Same time, but tomorrow?


[03:49] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:03] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:09] <EriC^^> morning lordievader
[06:10] <lordievader> Hey EriC^^ How are you doing?
[06:10] <EriC^^> doing good thanks, yourself?
[06:13] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[06:16] <ducasse> good morning
[06:21] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[06:21] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:22] <ducasse> morning lordievader - all well, thanks. and you?
[06:23] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader
[06:26] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[06:26] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> can you cool yourself lordievader ?
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> fine here, warm week ahead
[06:27] <lordievader> Doing okay.
[06:27] <lordievader> My room is on the top floor... stayed warm for a very long time yesterday -.-
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> aw penthouse heat
[06:28] <lordievader> Wouldn't want to call it a penthouse 😋
[06:28] <lordievader> Student housing.
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> mini penthouse :p
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: friend with IT business will come fix my gdpr stuff soon
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> he got gdpr training
[06:30] <daftykins> ooh
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> he says its complicated, about 1h to start a project
[06:32] <jink> O HAI
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> uh oh kiddy in the house
[06:32] <jink> ^__^
[06:32] <jink> ♥
[06:33] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: Do you store any (personal) data without a good reason? (I think most of the data you store is to do your job, right?)
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: i have an online webstore where automatic data is stored from users/registers/buys then a blogger newsletter with feedburner customers data and an online invoice website where customers data is stored
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: nothing stored offline, on my personal boxes
[06:36] <lordievader> Not sure how much Belgian law differs from Dutch laws, but do your users explicitly subscribe the newsletter? (The checkbox is not allowed to be pre-filled in, here at least.)
[06:37] <lordievader> Data that you need to do the shipping/invoicing, etc, has a good reason to it.  :D
[06:46] <lordievader> You know... you could use the Matrix - IRC bridge hosted by SNT... Bouncer on a stable University network.... SNT even runs a public homeserver at https://chat.utwente.io/ </promotion>
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> we dont all so lucky to have an .edu mbit lordievader :p
[06:47] <lordievader> No need. The homeserver is public, anyone can register.
[06:49] <lordievader> https://syscom.utwente.io/info/matrix/
[12:20] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[17:25]  * lotuspsychje is browsing systemd bugs
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> trolls getting alive again :p
[18:09] <hggdh> they are always there, sometimes just lurking
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> tnx for action hggdh :p
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> and good morning
[18:10] <hggdh> yw. Usually we would take longer to kick, but this one was clearly just playing around
[18:10] <hggdh> and good, ah, afternoon
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2018/05/28/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-529/


[04:05] <DrKK`> lol
[04:05] <DrKK`> he said "Don't give up on your dreams"
[04:05] <DrKK`> in Turkish.
[10:27] <laurent_> Hi Everyone, do we know when the 20.04 will be offered on the LTS upgrade path?
[13:06] <tomreyn> laurent_: no such announcement has been made on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/ yet, and https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts does not list "Version: 20.04.1 LTS" (or any 20.04.x version), yet
[13:50] <laurent_> tomreyn, Thanks for the links. So no visibility yet as to when this is expected. Thanks for coming back.
[13:54] <tomreyn> that's my understanding, yes
[15:54] <n-iCe> guys is there a way to restore xubuntu factory reset?
[15:54] <n-iCe> te all my files
[15:54] <n-iCe> I'm gonna buy a laptop with xubuntu, how can I delete all my files
[15:55] <diogenes_> n-iCe, remove everything in /home/username
[15:56] <diogenes_> it will delete all your files and configs and WARNING pics music etc.
[15:58] <tomreyn> n-iCe: this won't undo configurations you did on the system level, though. the best approach for that is a clean install
[15:59] <n-iCe> ok, thank you
[19:55] <xubuntu99i> a


[12:17] <NCommander> Quintasan: looks like someone beat me to it
[12:40] <Quintasan> NCommander: :P
[14:19] <Cube``> guys, short q: launchpad for mobile?
[14:20] <Cube``> is it going to happen?
[14:20] <Cube``> e.g. track yo bugz n stuff
[16:04] <cr3> hi folks, the UploadErrors help page says that I can remove <package>_source.<host>.upload for rejected builds. how/where can I do that?
[16:06] <maxb> That's a file created on your local system by dput, to record that it has uploaded a .changes file
[16:06] <cr3> maxb: I did remove that before re-attempting to upload after a build error occured, and my request was still rejected
[16:07] <maxb> then that is not the problem
[16:07] <cr3> maxb: maybe the error in the help page is not quite what I was getting from launchpad
[16:08] <cr3> maxb: so, when a build fails for version x.y.z, is there a way to re-attempt the build for the same version?
[16:08] <maxb> I suggest you point me to the specific failure, it will be easier to understand your issue that way
[16:09] <cr3> maxb: https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-results/+archive/ppa/+build/2616655
[16:10] <cr3> maxb: so I found the problem and now I'd like to upload the fix for the same version
[16:23] <cr3> maxb: I think my problem is detailed in this section of the help file, I'll try it out: Apparently successful upload followed by a rejection email
[16:36] <maxb> Cube``: smartphones have pretty decent browsers ... seems there's not that much motivation to write a dedicated app
[16:37] <maxb> cr3: If you want help on a rejection email, you should say what the email contained
[16:39] <geser> cr3: are you trying to rebuild a fixed package with the *same* version?
[16:39] <geser> s/rebuild/upload/
[16:43] <cr3> geser: yep, seems that I need to dput the original tarball and a changes file
[16:55] <euroford> hi all, I met a problem in launchpad
[16:55] <euroford> https://launchpad.net/~euroford/+archive/toolchain-bleed/+packages
[16:56] <euroford> gcc is there,but in http://ppa.launchpad.net/euroford/toolchain-bleed/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-4.5/ gcc disappeared
[16:58] <euroford> could anybody help me?
[21:33] <TheEvilPhoenix> i'm having an issue verifying my PGP key
[21:33] <TheEvilPhoenix> i successfully decrypted the verification email
[21:34] <TheEvilPhoenix> but the actual verification link says that the link doesnt exist
[21:34] <TheEvilPhoenix> its a /token/randomchars address
[21:34] <TheEvilPhoenix> and it 404s
[21:35] <SteveExodus> how old is the email?
[21:36] <TheEvilPhoenix> about 20 minutes
[21:36] <TheEvilPhoenix> oop i lied that was 20 minutes ago it was 20 minutes old... about 50 mins now
[21:37] <SteveExodus> 24 hours max I think the email said to me
[21:37] <TheEvilPhoenix> well the link is still not working
[21:37] <TheEvilPhoenix> so...
[21:37] <SteveExodus> sure you have copied the whole link? ... not broken into lines your email client?
[21:38] <TheEvilPhoenix> holy...
[21:38] <TheEvilPhoenix> i have 4 copies of this?
[21:38] <TheEvilPhoenix> sec
[21:38] <SteveExodus> the job of irc is to make you feel stupid
[21:40] <TheEvilPhoenix> grrr
[21:40] <TheEvilPhoenix> yeah i have the entire link
[21:40] <TheEvilPhoenix> and the entire PGP message
[21:40] <TheEvilPhoenix> still 404s
[21:41] <SteveExodus> i think it wishes you to bang your head against the wall a few times ... and will then miraculously work
[21:42] <SteveExodus> also .. get another email ... ONE
[21:42] <TheEvilPhoenix> its gmail
[21:42] <TheEvilPhoenix> and it worked this time
[21:42] <TheEvilPhoenix> i resubmitted the request to import
[21:42] <TheEvilPhoenix> and it igenerated a new token link
[21:42] <TheEvilPhoenix> so perhaps the system just FORGOT to generate the actual page for the token :P
[21:42] <SteveExodus> i doubt
[21:43] <SteveExodus> PEBKAC lol


[07:20] <hothollas> how come there is a different password for sudo and another one for su?
[18:24] <vileli8ves> I'm looking at the instructions Eli_Turk was giving a few days ago; he talked about using apt-file to search through the contents of packages. However, I've found that the pattern entered is a bit like a keyword search, and will bring up every result in the apt cache that contains that keyword. I'm accustomed to using quotes to narrow a search to specific terms, but am not sure how to do so in Linux. For example, if I apt-
[18:24] <vileli8ves> file show firefox, I don't just see the contents of the firefox package. I see the contents of every package that contains the word firefox. How do I narrow this down to just the firefox web browser?