[12:13] <Dragnslcr> Ahmuck- sudo isn't a username
[12:14] <Dragnslcr> Using sudo runs programs as root
[12:14] <Ahmuck> ok, i understand now.  so i need to login as sudo, and create a user
[12:14] <Ahmuck> under mysql to use it as sudo or some other user
[12:14] <genii> Ahmuck: There is a default mysql user normally with the name of mysql
[12:14] <Dragnslcr> sudo isn't a user, it's a command
[12:15] <Ahmuck> yes, but sudo mysql lets you into mysql
[12:15] <Dragnslcr> Right, because sudo runs the command as the user "root"
[12:15] <blekos> hello, what is the normal temparature for cpu?
[12:15] <genii> Ahmuck: To run the command mysql as the user mysql from an account which has sudo/su rights, use  su mysql -c "mysql"
[12:16] <Dragnslcr> blekos- normal temperature of what?
[12:17] <Ahmuck> Dragnslcr: i am confused, i thought mysql could not be run in root?
[12:17] <blekos> hmm, when I do acpi --t is shows me Thermal 1,2,3
[12:17] <mimic> ciao Eros!
[12:17] <who_> is there any way to create an iso 9660 image for a dvd using k3b???????
[12:17] <blekos> and are alla bout 67c
[12:17] <Dragnslcr> Ahmuck- I'm pretty sure you can connect to a MySQL database as root
[12:17] <genii> Ahmuck: Mysql is not *supposed* to be run by root, but since root user can override, it will run the command.
[12:18] <mimic> ciao eros!
[12:18] <eros> ah ecco
[12:18] <eros> ciao
[12:18] <Dragnslcr> It may not be a great idea, but it will work
[12:18] <eros> ero sulla pg sbagliata
[12:18] <mimic> AHAHAHA!!!!
[12:18] <who_> is there any way to create an iso 9660 image for a dvd using k3b???????
[12:19] <genii> Ahmuck: Also the specific error you are getting on that command s not the program refusing to run but that user root is not allowed to access databases on the machine called localhost
[12:19] <Iwonder|too> how to get flash working in firefox,for youtube.com videos?
[12:20] <Dragnslcr> genii- no, the user "root" can access databases fine, which is why sudo mysql works. It's trying to connect as user "sudo" that won't work
[12:21] <ubuntu_> Does Kubuntu support the sticky bit?
[12:21] <illriginal> Does anyone know how I can access my usb thumb drive so that I may read+write on it? I tried going through the properties and changin the permissions.
[12:21] <snowdonkey> Hey, my blank CD-R discs aren't being recognized, so I can't burn data to them.  I'm not sure how to manually mount a drive.
[12:21] <genii> Dragnslcr: What, he put something like su sudo ??
[12:21] <ubuntu_> illriginal: are they ntfs formatted?
[12:21] <Dragnslcr> "mysql -h localhost -u sudo"
[12:21] <illriginal> ubuntu_ no I believe it is actually FAT16
[12:22] <ubuntu_> illriginal: You should have rights to write to it
[12:22] <blekos> i'm trying to install hamachi, but cannot find tap/tun any ideas?
[12:22] <illriginal> because my PS2 was able to recognize it, and that's the only format PS2 accepts.
[12:22] <genii> Dragnslcr: Ah, yeah he put -u sudo LOL
[12:22] <illriginal> ubuntu is there a command I can type?
[12:22] <illriginal> for read+write access?...
[12:23] <ubuntu_> !search hamachi
[12:23] <ubotu> Found:
[12:23] <illriginal> it also says 0 bytes free space
[12:23] <ubuntu_> illriginal: I'm sure there is. Does the USB come up on your desktop ?
[12:23] <illriginal> it's a 4GB thumb drive
[12:23] <illriginal> yeah
[12:23] <ubuntu_> illriginal: and you can't write to it?
[12:23] <illriginal> nope
[12:23] <genii> Dragnslcr: He will immediately after correcting to -u root get the root@localhost denied.
[12:23] <illriginal> but my playstation 2 can for some odd reason
[12:24] <illriginal> it's fat16.. im pretty sure.
[12:24] <ubuntu_> nzk: Yo :)
[12:24] <Iwonder|too> illriginal: type mount
[12:24] <ubuntu_> illriginal: can you pastebin your /etc/fstab file ?
[12:24] <ubuntu_> Or that too
[12:24] <illriginal> just type mount?
[12:24] <Dragnslcr> genii- maybe, depends on if there's a MySQL user named root. I can't remember what it does by default these days
[12:24] <Iwonder|too> also tail dmesg after plugging it
[12:25] <illriginal> /dev/sda1 on /media/usbdisk type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)
[12:26] <Iwonder|too> illriginal: it mounted u have read/write access
[12:26] <illriginal> hm... it won't let me, ill try to paste a file into it, hold on
[12:26] <Iwonder|too> type ls -l /media/usbdisk
[12:26] <illriginal> There is not enough space on the destination.
[12:26] <illriginal> lol
[12:26] <illriginal> that's impossible
[12:26] <illriginal> it's a 4GB usb drive.
[12:27] <illriginal> there's only 1 file on there that's about 100mb
[12:27] <Iwonder|too> illriginal: it may be being fat32 can't handle large files
[12:27] <genii> Ahmuck: The best practice is to run the mysql command as the mysql user whenever possible
[12:27] <Iwonder|too> or its locked physically
[12:27] <illriginal> the file im trying to put into it?
[12:27] <chijin> a 4gb drive can be formatted to smaller space..
[12:27] <illriginal> on the bottom bar
[12:28] <Iwonder|too> \some have a lock button like a floppy
[12:28] <illriginal> nah
[12:28] <illriginal> no lock button.
[12:28] <Iwonder|too> illriginal: ls -sh /media/usbdisk
[12:28] <Iwonder|too> for size
[12:28] <Iwonder|too> or df -h
[12:28] <illriginal>  32K Documents  1.1M LaunchU3.exe   32K SOCOM3   32K System
[12:28] <sercik> hi people!!
[12:29] <illriginal> ugh now my dekstop locked up
[12:29] <illriginal> i can't click on the icons on my deskptop
[12:29] <Iwonder|too> hmmm,doesn't seem good
[12:29] <illriginal> brb i need restart.
[12:29] <ubuntu_> df -h
[12:30] <Iwonder|too> guess restarting X didn't occur to him
[12:31] <aldin> i have HP drivers for wireless card which are .exe how do i extract them?
[12:31] <ubuntu_> Iwonder|too: noobs :0
[12:31] <ubuntu_> :-)
[12:31] <ubuntu_> uptime will get him one day
[12:31] <sercik> you can try unrar
[12:31] <Iwonder|too> yep
[12:32] <Daisuke_Ido> power outages are the enemy of uptime :\
[12:32] <Iwonder|too> aldin: on the drivers disk,there isn't a drivers folder?
[12:32] <purpleposeidon> UPS is your friend, but certainly not mine.
[12:32] <Iwonder|too> noobs are the enemy of uptime,power outages are fixxed by ups
[12:33] <illriginal> wait
[12:33] <illriginal> i figured it out...
[12:33] <illriginal> i think.
[12:33] <illriginal> I can cut a folder from my usb drive, paste it onto my desktop then put another file into it...
[12:33] <aldin> Iwonder|too: i want newer version from hp.com
[12:33] <ubuntu_> then you can't write it back
[12:33] <illriginal> for some reason, now ubuntu thinks my usb drive is only 160ish mb
[12:33] <Daisuke_Ido> Iwonder|too: yeah, once i can afford a suitable UPS that can hold out for a few hours.
[12:34] <jaldhar> anyone using the KDE4 snapshot packages on feisty and having problems with ksmserver crashing?
[12:34] <Daisuke_Ido> alpha software, of course there are problems.
[12:34] <Iwonder|too> aldin: go to ndiswrapper site,they have links to current drivers
[12:34] <illriginal> ubuntu_ would it be a good idea to format my usb drive? Or will I lose some sort of driver information and will because useless?
[12:35] <ubuntu_> illriginal: Wait do you have U3 running on it?
[12:35] <illriginal> U3?
[12:35] <illriginal> I'm sorry I don't understand
[12:35] <ubuntu_> It's a USB drive encryption
[12:35] <aldin> Iwonder|too: ok, know that but would like to know how to extract .exe files without windows...
[12:36] <illriginal> im not sure ubuntu_ I just purchased it, It's a Scandisk Cruzer Micro 4GB
[12:36] <jaldhar> Daisuke_Ido: I know but I was hoping there would be a workaround :(
[12:36] <ubuntu_> illriginal: Ha in that case copy the files out and format
[12:36] <ubuntu_> Probably has U3 on it by default
[12:36] <jaldhar> aldin: cabextract
[12:36] <Iwonder|too> aldin: look on ndiswrapper site,there is a method(not extract) to run the exes to extract the driver from the installer
[12:37] <illriginal> oh ok, ill just copy the file I need :D then format it to fat16? Yes?
[12:37] <ubuntu_> Yes
[12:37] <Iwonder|too> illriginal: fat32
[12:37] <illriginal> fat32?
[12:37] <illriginal> and ill get all 4gb back
[12:37] <illriginal> ?
[12:37] <aldin> Iwonder|too: ok thanks, i will look for that
[12:37] <Iwonder|too> fat 16 will support even smaller file sizes than 32
[12:38] <illriginal> so isn't that good?
[12:38] <Iwonder|too> at least with 32 you van aproach a 4 gig transfer,after that you must use ntfs
[12:38] <illriginal> i just need it to be compatible with my linux and my playstation 2
[12:38] <Iwonder|too> can
[12:38] <Hirvinen> Bonita: i synonyymi van joku, jota en kyll nyt muista.
[12:38] <sebr> okay.... trying to boot the kubuntu cd on the laptop to install, and i got this error: "can't access tty; job control turned off"
[12:38] <Hirvinen> Sorry.
[12:39] <Iwonder|too> dunno about ps2 but with fat16 you better not try to place a cd or something on it as one file
[12:39] <illriginal> naw I use it for downloaded maps
[12:39] <Hirvinen> Sorry, wrong channel.
[12:39] <illriginal> this may sound stupid, heh. .but how do I format the USB drive?
[12:40] <Iwonder|too> dosfstools
[12:40] <illriginal> i need to download that?
[12:40] <illriginal> or type?
[12:41] <Iwonder|too> there is a mkefs.vfat or something,been years since i needed a fat drive,lol
[12:41] <Iwonder|too> best to google format fat drived+linux
[12:42] <ReVisions> what's the diffrents between fiersty edgy dapper and all that stuff? plz... ;\
[12:42] <Iwonder|too> newer versions
[12:43] <ReVisions> whats the newest one?
[12:43] <ubuntu_> !latest
[12:43] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[12:43] <ubuntu_> :-)
[12:43] <ubuntu_> Umm
[12:43] <ubuntu_> !fiesty
[12:43] <ubotu> Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) is the latest version of Kubuntu. Upgrading to Feisty: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[12:43] <ubuntu_> ReVisions: ^^^^
[12:43] <ReVisions> tnx
[12:43] <illriginal> Iwonder|too In my synaptic, it claims that I already have it installed
[12:43] <illriginal> dosfstools that is
[12:44] <ubuntu_> !gutsy
[12:44] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule Support in #ubuntu+1
[12:44] <ubuntu_> !horny
[12:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about horny - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:44] <ubuntu_> dang :-(
[12:44] <ReVisions> ubuntu_ it's not a problem if i use 6.06 to update to 7304 right?
[12:44] <Iwonder|too> illriginal: ok you'll need to know the exact sytax for making filesystem
[12:45] <rojanu> Hi I have got wireless card it comes up with iwconfig but network manager don't show it?
[12:45] <illriginal> syntax?..
[12:45] <illriginal> damn gnomepartition doesn't see my usb lol
[12:45] <ubuntu_> ReVisions: Yes it is
[12:45] <nosrednaekim> rojanu: knetworkmanager is still pretty buggy to put iot nicely
[12:45] <BluesKaj> !upgrade
[12:45] <ubuntu_> ReVisions: You have to update to 6.10 first
[12:45] <ReVisions> gksu "update-manager -c"
[12:45] <ReVisions> like that?
[12:46] <illriginal> waot
[12:46] <illriginal> wait i can use gnomepartition
[12:46] <rojanu> nosrednaekim: is there anything I can do about it
[12:46] <illriginal> it's fat32
[12:46] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[12:46] <ReVisions> (gksu:20912): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[12:46] <illriginal> so format it as fat32 and I should get all 4gb back yes/
[12:46] <nosrednaekim> rojanu: do it manually... its not hard.
[12:46] <rojanu> OK thanks,
[12:47] <reddog_> hi
[12:47] <reddog_> who are you???
[12:47] <nosrednaekim> rojanu: do you need help?
[12:47] <ReVisions> ubuntu_
[12:48] <ReVisions> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[12:48] <ReVisions> Xlib: No protocol specified
[12:48] <ReVisions> (gksu:20912): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[12:48] <ubuntu_> ReVisions: did you read what ubotu said?
[12:48] <ubuntu_> !upgrade
[12:48] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[12:49] <ReVisions> thats what i do
[12:49] <ReVisions> to upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10
[12:50] <ubuntu_> Are you in Kubuntu?
[12:51] <nosrednaekim> genii: I think you are bit too relaxed here.
[12:51] <BluesKaj> who dreams up the lame names for the ubuntu distros ... feisty fawn doesn't exactly inspire confidence :)
[12:52] <genii> nosrednaekim: Heh :) At least it's coffee and not beer ;)
[12:52] <trpr> seems like its got to be cute ;)
[12:52] <nosrednaekim> oh... and next up is a release coded by a "group" of "gibbons"
[12:52] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: neither do chicago, memphis, cairo, longhorn, etc etc
[12:52] <genii> BluesKaj: Yeah I get a mental image of some deer caught in the headlights
[12:52] <nosrednaekim> haha
[12:53] <BluesKaj> cutesy silly frilly doesn't cut it with me
[12:53] <ubuntu_> BluesKaj: A millionare. So people heart it muchly
[12:53] <Daisuke_Ido> they're development names, they just happen to stick with ubuntu
[12:53] <ubuntu_> BluesKaj: You would have liked the first Buntus
[12:53] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Ido: those are metropolitan names ...they have some class
[12:53] <ubuntu_> Warty warthog and Hoary Hedgehog :)
[12:53] <Daisuke_Ido> and probably make more sense that way because versions aren't set up in the same way most other OSes are
[12:54] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, leopard, tiger, jaguar...
[12:54] <Daisuke_Ido> big cats
[12:54] <BluesKaj> right, that's more like it
[12:55] <Daisuke_Ido> woody, sarge, sid, etch...  toy story characters for crying out loud
[12:55] <BluesKaj> hehe
[12:57] <BluesKaj> anyone got an ati tv wonder pro card working ?
[12:58] <nosrednaekim> no... ati is "wonderful"enough
[12:58] <aldin> Iwonder|too: cabextract hpdriver.exe does the job
[12:59] <Iwonder|too> cool
[12:59] <Iwonder|too> ati all in wonder tv capture
[01:00] <Iwonder|too> but i haven't took time to actually setup capturing
[01:00] <BluesKaj> well nosrednaekim, i bought this pc before I knew the crappy ati linux support
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> ah.
[01:01] <Mo0oSaH> is there any gui utility that can mount bin cue files
[01:03] <BluesKaj> Mo0oSaH: try acetoneiso
[01:03] <mokkan> hey, how do i get the media control applet?
[01:03] <mokkan> it doesnt seem to ship with kubuntu
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> mokkan: media control applet?
[01:04] <mokkan> yeah, its in kde
[01:04] <mokkan> you right click on one of your bars
[01:04] <mokkan> and 'add applet'
[01:04] <mokkan> my gentoo box has it, but my kubuntu one doesnt
[01:05] <Iwonder|too> media control?
[01:05] <mokkan> ha
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> what does it do?
[01:05] <mokkan> hang on
[01:05] <mokkan> ill get a screeny
[01:05] <Iwonder|too> storage media or like volume controls?
[01:05] <Mo0oSaH> BluesKaj: thanks
[01:05] <Ninina> anyone know how to fix the problem where when you try to connect to a wireless network the program gets stuck at the 28% mark
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> mokkan: oh... kwikdisc?
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> the volume manager?
[01:06] <KNate> ohh the humanity
[01:06] <mokkan> http://www.wasome.com/screeny.jpg
[01:06] <mokkan> thats what i want
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> Ninina: thats networkmanager... very buggy. you have to connect manually
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> if it doesn'w work.
[01:07] <Mo0oSaH> BluesKaj: acetoneiso is not in kubuntu rep?
[01:07] <shinygerbil> what's the easiest way for my connection NOT to rewrite /etc/resolv.conf every time I connect?
[01:08] <chris__> can anyone please help me with a minor beryl/emerald problem?
[01:08] <Iwonder|too> close BNetworkManager
[01:08] <Daisuke_Ido> chris__: that all depends
[01:08] <Daisuke_Ido> ask and we'll see
[01:08] <BluesKaj> Mo0oSaH: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=44805
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> chris__: we can TRY!
[01:08] <shinygerbil> i use dhclient..
[01:08] <chris__> well i installed it using http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_install_Beryl_.28Nvidia.29
[01:09] <nosrednaekim> mokkan: so is that thing controlling amarok?
[01:09] <mokkan> yep
[01:09] <mokkan> it can control noatun, too
[01:09] <mokkan> and juk i think
[01:09] <mokkan> it shipped with kde when i emerged it
[01:09] <chris__> when i type in "emerald --replace" it just says baddevice blah blah, which is probably normal i assume considering beryl did the same yet started, but no effects or anything happen..i'm sure it's something small and stupid i'm doing wrong
[01:09] <BluesKaj> Mo0oSaH: make sure you have 'kommander' installed first ..it's in the repos
[01:09] <mokkan> i cant find it on kdeapps either :\
[01:10] <Ninina> *sigh* Is there anyway to set up wpa without it and do I have to write a script to handle the configuration if I want to automate it or is there another program?
[01:10] <Daisuke_Ido> emerald is just the window decorator
[01:10] <Daisuke_Ido> chris__: try beryl --replace
[01:10] <Daisuke_Ido> OR
[01:10] <Daisuke_Ido> if beryl manager is running, switch your window manager to beryl
[01:10] <Daisuke_Ido> because sometimes it doesn't like to do that.
[01:11] <Mo0oSaH> ok
[01:11] <Iwonder|too> mokkan mine has add applet media control
[01:11] <nosrednaekim> mokkan: are sure its not a Amarok plugin?
[01:11] <chris__> i clicked on beryl under window manager and still no go..i typed the command also, the output is..
[01:11] <Mo0oSaH> BluesKaj: I don't need anything else?
[01:11] <mokkan> well i have amarok too... and i know i never explicitely installed the media controller myself
[01:12] <chris__> Detected xserver                                : NVIDIA
[01:12] <chris__> Checking Display :0.0 ...
[01:12] <chris__> Checking for XComposite extension               : failed
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> there is a definite problem
[01:12] <Iwonder|too> its part of kde
[01:12] <Iwonder|too> i forget the exact package
[01:12] <BluesKaj> no Mo0oSaH, I think that's it
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> chris__: what video card?
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> and what drivers are you using?
[01:12] <Iwonder|too> chris__:  uncomment composite lines in xorg.conf
[01:12] <Ninina> one day I too will figure out how to make KDE look good
[01:13] <chris__> nvidia 7600GT..a while back on an older version of kubuntu i had it working fine..but forgot how exactly i did it
[01:13] <Daisuke_Ido> make sure the "glx" and "dri" modules are loaded
[01:13] <Iwonder|too> nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:13] <chris__> how exactly do i do that?
[01:13] <Iwonder|too> add or uncomment composite enable
[01:14] <Daisuke_Ido> Iwonder|too: it would be easier and smarter to use the dpkg-reconfigure
[01:14] <Iwonder|too> Section "Extensions"
[01:14] <Iwonder|too>     Option "Composite" "Enable"
[01:14] <Iwonder|too> EndSection
[01:14] <mokkan> Iwonder|too kdemultimedia?
[01:14] <Iwonder|too>
[01:14] <Iwonder|too> Daisuke_Ido: it failed thge first time
[01:14] <Daisuke_Ido> well then
[01:15] <Iwonder|too> let me see mokkan if i have that installed
[01:15] <genii> chris__: If you add the Section "Extensions"   part just like Iwonder|too just described to the xorg.conf it should work after restarting the X server
[01:16] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, i wasn't aware that the reconfigure didn't work
[01:16] <Daisuke_Ido> what they said :)
[01:16] <Iwonder|too> mokkan: yes i have kdemultimedia installed
[01:17] <mokkan> Iwonder|too k :) thanks
[01:17] <Iwonder|too> Daisuke_Ido: it does sometimes,but xcomposite isn't actually part of xorg-x11
[01:18] <chris__> alright composite enabled
[01:18] <Ninina> Kubuntu why (other then the fact I'm using a pos dell laptop) must you make it so hard for me to love you as I truely want to
[01:18] <chris__> let me try restart x and see if it worked, thanks guys, do appreciate it, brb to tell you the results :p
[01:18] <Iwonder|too> chris__:  log out
[01:18] <nosrednaekim> l3mr: don't I know that SN from somewhere?
[01:18] <Iwonder|too> ctrl+alt+backspace
[01:19] <KNate> yes, im trying hard to love kubuntu, except no sound, im really thinking about formtting, and back to vixta/xp
[01:19] <Daisuke_Ido> Iwonder|too: it shouldn't even have to be enabled in feisty since glx and dri are enabled by default...
[01:19] <DaveTheAve> I have a simple problem i know a number of you persons can fix without breaking a sweat. My NTFS, that has been upgraded to ntfs-3g, is writtable but ONLY to root. How do I turn over complete ownership of said drive to my account?
[01:19] <KNate> are there any other options to get sound, like pcmcia sound cards or usb soundcards
[01:19] <KNate> yes i have a laptop
[01:19] <nosrednaekim> KNate: yes, there are,
[01:20] <l3mr> nosrednaekim: hmm?
[01:20] <Iwonder|too> Daisuke_Ido: glx and direct redering are not xcomposite and xcomposite is needed by beryl
[01:20] <nosrednaekim> l3mr: did you ever play Bzfag?
[01:20] <BluesKaj> DaveTheAve: install ntfs-config , itlets you set all kinds of permissions
[01:20] <KNate> which ones?
[01:20] <nosrednaekim> Knate, what is your sound card chip
[01:20] <KNate> usb, or pcmcia
[01:21] <KNate> intel-hda
[01:21] <DaveTheAve> BluesKaj: I already did... thats how I was able to turn on write controll
[01:21] <chris__> well great it works, but now i have the problem of that it won't show my title bar i.e. minimize, maximize, etc...any suggestions?
[01:21] <l3mr> no, but bzflag :)..but I doubt you know me from there....
[01:21] <nosrednaekim> KNate: pcmcia for sure....not sure about USB
[01:21] <Daisuke_Ido> Iwonder|too: i fail to see how that's possible.  i'm using beryl right now without anything involving composite in my xorg.conf at all.
[01:21] <nosrednaekim> l3mr: yep I used to play *bzflag* alot...
[01:22] <KNate> do you know which ones work? or how hard they are to get working, im not even sure if my pcmcia slots are working, as i have nothing to stick in them
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> KNate: so sounds not working at all? did you try headphones?
[01:22] <Ninina> KNate: I'm lucky, my soundcard works, but I can't actually figure out what to do with it, plus everything requires like 10 more steps
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> KNate: no I do not.
[01:22] <purpleposeidon> I want a kernel module that can mount the KDE protocols, like media:/, fish:/.....
[01:22] <KNate> yeh, nothing at all comes out
[01:22] <KNate> and ive tried everything
[01:22] <Iwonder|too> Daisuke_Ido: i dunno,just going by what the fellows in #beryl say
[01:23] <Iwonder|too> KNate: have you tried oss?
[01:23] <BluesKaj> DaveTheAve: so you have both ntfs-3g and ntfs-config installed and you still need to sudo ?
[01:23] <KNate> whats oss
[01:23] <Iwonder|too> and as you seen by his error beryl complains with composite extensions
[01:23] <nosrednaekim> KNate: hmm... ok. I have a ATI HDA (uses the same driver) I had problems with it as well (but I fixed them.
[01:23] <Iwonder|too> without
[01:23] <DaveTheAve> BlusKaj: Yes I do, i CAN write to the NTFS, but ONLY with sudo.... this is because root owns the NTFS.
[01:24] <KNate> so what do you suggest i do, is there away to restore all the crap ive done involving sound
[01:25] <Iwonder|too> KNate: an outdated sound system ,but i have used it on cards not supported by alsa
[01:25] <mokkan> is there a reason why the adept gui thing doesnt show all the packages?
[01:25] <BluesKaj> i suppose sudo is a bitch to deal with :)
[01:25] <raylu> mokkan, 1. you don't have all the repositories, 2. you didn't update, 3. you have some filter
[01:25] <Iwonder|too> you get no fancy features just sound
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> mokkan: use "adept-manager" for showing all packages
[01:25] <Iwonder|too> mokkan:  all?
[01:25] <Iwonder|too> did you enable all repos ?
[01:25] <KNate> well alsa reckons they support the intel-hda, but its not working for anyone
[01:25] <raylu> and yeah..."all?"
[01:25] <mokkan> like, it wouldnt find kdemultimedia in the gui
[01:25] <mokkan> but apt-get got it
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> KNate: anyone?
[01:25] <Iwonder|too> universe i think is disabled
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> mokkan: did you use adept-manager or adept-installer?
[01:26] <Iwonder|too> mokkan: did you update?
[01:26] <mokkan> how do i update? i might have, dunno
[01:26] <Iwonder|too> to get a new package list
[01:26] <KNate> well googling intel-hda and toshiba brings up 1000 threads, and noone has a solution, same say it works, but i cant see how it works for some and not for others if its the same hardware
[01:26] <raylu> mokkan, click the thing at the top left :D or aptitude update
[01:27] <DaveTheAve> How does one turn over ownership of a drive to another user?
[01:27] <KNate> and this is the only thing stoping me from loving kubuntu
[01:27] <Daisuke_Ido> DaveTheAve: chown the mount directory is something that generally works
[01:27] <raylu> DaveTheAve, try mounting with both parameters
[01:27] <Iwonder|too> KNate:  try the forums of other distros
[01:28] <DaveTheAve> KNate: I have the same issue as you; I own a new Toshiba A135
[01:28] <nosrednaekim> KNate: because all laptop deployments are SLIGHTLY different.
[01:28] <Iwonder|too> i use gentoo forums a lot,they offer simple(works on all linuxes) help
[01:28] <raylu> ew. gentoo
[01:29] <KNate> lol, googling "gentoo intel-hda no sound" brings up kubuntu forums
[01:30] <Daisuke_Ido> mmm, 1TB hard drive...
[01:30] <nosrednaekim> KNate: what does "lshw" by means of sound?
[01:30] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: reading /.?
[01:30] <KNate> i have noidea, im a super noob
[01:31] <Daisuke_Ido> nosrednaekim: yeah.  well, actually i'm reading TFA ^_^
[01:31] <mokkan> youve come to the right distro ;P
[01:32] <Iwonder|too> but KNate i use 3 different distros and see people all the time complaing about that chipset,perhaps a newer kernel will fix it
[01:32] <mokkan> a toshiba chipset?
[01:32] <BigMac> Hey can anyone tell me how to turn off Ktorrent from booting on startup in KDE
[01:32] <nosrednaekim> KNate: run the command "sudo lshw" and pastebin the contents
[01:32] <mokkan> exit ktorrent before you log off?
[01:33] <Iwonder|too> i dunno if using a vanilla kernel in kubuntu is pheasable in order to get newest support,but probably best not attempted by a noob
[01:33] <KNate> ok hang on
[01:33] <Daisuke_Ido> BigMac: mokkan's suggestion is the only one i've ever gotten to work for that
[01:33] <Iwonder|too> BigMac:  either remove from ~/.kde/Autostart or close it save session,log out and back in
[01:34] <KNate> http://pastebin.ca/493839
[01:34] <chris__> hello again, one last thing, now when i go to log out, it only has log out, not restart, shutdown or anything, any suggestions?
[01:35] <Iwonder|too> thats normal chris__ when its working
[01:35] <Daisuke_Ido> that's (i think) a known bug
[01:35] <chris__> alright cool thanks, wasn't sure if it was normal beryl operation or what
[01:35] <Iwonder|too> there is a fix but i haven't tried it,just seen it on beryl wiki
[01:36] <chris__> thanks, i'll check
[01:36] <Iwonder|too> no biggy,log out and shutdown using kdm
[01:36] <nosrednaekim> KNate: ok. you have a driver associated with it. now, does Kmix show any channels at all?
[01:36] <Daisuke_Ido> of just throw up a terminal and sudo shutdown now
[01:36] <Daisuke_Ido> sofor
[01:36] <chris__> well yea, but i do like the buttons haha
[01:36] <Iwonder|too> yeah Daisuke_Ido i think so,it does it with 2 different versions on 3 distros
[01:36] <Daisuke_Ido> s/of/or.  there we go
[01:37] <Iwonder|too> chris__: create a shortcut with reboot as the command
[01:37] <Iwonder|too> or shutdown now(i think)
[01:38] <KNate> umm
[01:38] <Iwonder|too> or halt -n
[01:38] <KNate> kmix shows master pcm, and another slider underneath saying intel hda
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> and thats IT?
[01:39] <KNate> and thers afew taps at the top
[01:39] <BigMac> Ah but the problem is I have never opened it yet
[01:39] <KNate> output input
[01:39] <Iwonder|too> KNate: try this be prepared to hit ctrl+c cat /dev/urandom >> /dev/dsp
[01:39] <KNate> swithce
[01:40] <Iwonder|too> it should emit white noise if working
[01:40] <BigMac> Iwonder|too: Yah there is nothing in that folder
[01:40] <Iwonder|too> if it does then you probably need to edit some alsa stuff
[01:40] <KNate> ok ill try that
[01:40] <KNate> nate@natious:~$ cat /dev/urandom >> /dev/dsp
[01:40] <KNate> bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[01:40] <KNate> nate@natious:~$
[01:41] <MISTERTibbs> greetings
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> Iwonder|too: ahaha now thats an intriguing test
[01:41] <Iwonder|too> never seen it as a hardware test?
[01:41] <BluesKaj> KNate: the horizontal slider is the balance cntrl
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> Iwonder|too: nope.
[01:42] <Iwonder|too> KNate:  might want to disable artsd
[01:42] <KNate> what is artsd
[01:42] <Iwonder|too> nosrednaekim:  you can really scare people if ya tell them to alsamixer ,unmute and set all slides to 100 then do it
[01:42] <Iwonder|too> especially at about 3:00am
[01:42] <KNate> how do i disable artsd
[01:43] <Iwonder|too> KNate:  the kde sound wrapper,its not needed
[01:43] <Iwonder|too> well not totally needed
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> KNate: in kcontrol
[01:43] <Iwonder|too> i wonder if fuser /dev/dsp will give something
[01:43] <KNate> ok im on kcontrol, now where do i go
[01:43] <KNate> ill try
[01:44] <KNate> no nothing
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> KNate: go into sound settings
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> *sound system
[01:45] <KNate> yep
[01:45] <Nedlinpopo> what is the preferred ubuntu display configuration method?
[01:46] <KNate> should i make the slider 0
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> KNate: which one?
[01:46] <KNate> the KDE sound systems takes exclusive control over ....
[01:47] <nosrednaekim> KNate:  yeah do that.
[01:47] <nosrednaekim> and make sure the box is checked
[01:47] <KNate> ok did that
[01:49] <nosrednaekim> apply and test the sound
[01:49] <KNate> tried, didnt work
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> ok.
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> whats your computer again?
[01:52] <KNate> toshiba sattilte
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> model pls?
[01:53] <KNate> p100
[01:54] <KNate> P100 pspa6a-028017 to be exact
[01:54] <Iwonder|too> KNate: which kerenel are you using?
[01:55] <KNate> how do i check
[01:55] <Iwonder|too> KNate: paste the lspci line relevant to audio
[01:56] <KNate> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Aud
[01:56] <KNate> io Controller (rev 02)
[01:57] <marccollin> hi
[01:57] <glass> Any way I can get a Kubuntu live CD that uses the KDE 4.0?
[01:57] <Dragnslcr> glass- probably only if you make your own
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> marccollin: hi!
[01:57] <marccollin> i download the kubuntu cd.... i boot on it.... but it don't seem to have a way to install it on my hd....
[01:57] <marccollin> hi
[01:57] <glass> ok
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> glass: no.. not a Kubuntu one... but there is a Suse based one
[01:58] <glass> I have the SuSe one. It says it can't find my cd-drive
[01:58] <glass> lol
[01:58] <Dragnslcr> glass- the first alpha just came out last week. I doubt it'll be part of any official stuff any time soon
[02:00] <Ninina> anyone know how to set up WPA without using KNetworkManager?
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> Ninina: wpagui can do it.
[02:02] <Ninina> so I just run that when I want to use wpa or for every connection?
[02:02] <marccollin> i downloaded kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386      and i don't see nothing to install it on my hd....... is it normal?
[02:02] <KNate> mabey i should just go out and buy a pcmcia sound card
[02:02] <fisiu> on the desktop you should have an shortcut
[02:03] <fisiu> my wpa works great with rt61
[02:03] <marccollin> that the problem... i don't have an icon
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> KNate: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Toshiba_Satellite_P100
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> Ninina: I think so.
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> never used it.
[02:04] <Iwonder|too> KNate: http://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-hda-intel
[02:04] <Iwonder|too> have you tried alsa site or are just trying to use kubuntu stuff?
[02:05] <KNate> ive tried the alsa site
[02:06] <pucko-> knate, that card works fine here. but I don't have a laptop
[02:06] <Iwonder|too> you tried that link?
[02:07] <Iwonder|too> says it works
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> seems this laptop has problems...a faulty BIOS/DSTP
[02:07] <Iwonder|too> if you set it up correctly
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> the p100 that is.
[02:07] <pucko-> I had to pass the model option to the kernel module for it to work correctly though.
[02:09] <KNate> because the site says it works, dosnt mean it dose, theres 100s of threads saying otherwise, and nothing is wrong iwht my bios, its updated to 3.30, and worked fine in vista/xp/osx86
[02:09] <Iwonder|too> KNate: sometmes sound can be fixxed by altering bios settings relating to card i/o and address then adjusting alsaconf
[02:09] <BigMac> does azureus blend well into kde
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> KNate: if it works in vista doesn't mean its not buggy
[02:09] <crimsun> KNate: did you use the _latest_ hg pull from this evening?
[02:10] <usuario_> ggg
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> also, that tutorial said to try booting with the option acpi=off (not recommend for permanantly, just for testin)
[02:10] <Iwonder|too> KNate: because the site says it does,it is possible,,,because hundreds of threads say there are problems usually mean people dunno how or won't attempt a fix
[02:11] <KNate> hey again crimsun, last night with one of the other guys, he got me to download the 14rc4 drivers, and then patch it with the patch you gave, then make and make install, but thats was it
[02:11] <Iwonder|too> i always found it easier to not use kernel modules
[02:11] <Iwonder|too> too hard to update them
[02:12] <Iwonder|too> disable kernel,use alsa modules
[02:12] <Iwonder|too> but everyone has an opinion
[02:15] <adam_> hello everyone!
[02:15] <someothernick> hi
[02:17] <adam_> I got a new laptop a few days ago, I installed Kubuntu on it and everything works perfectly!!!  Including the wifi card.  I didn't have to setup anything!
[02:17] <BluesKaj> nice
[02:18] <KNate> ok cool, wish i could join that clb
[02:18] <KNate> *club
[02:18] <Iwonder|too> lucky you
[02:18] <KNate> everything works on mine but the sound
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> adam_: always nice to hear some positive sotries
[02:19] <someothernick> what laptop?
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> KNate: try rebooting with the acpi=off parameter
[02:19] <adam_> I've gone ahead and installed the windows media codecs and DVD codecs, with help of the Guid.  Now DVD's and mp3's and windows media video's play perfectly!
[02:19] <Iwonder|too> or try the alsa guide not using older kernel modules
[02:19] <KNate> acpi=off = no gpu for me
[02:20] <adam_> Its a Gatway, its a couple years old, I bought it used.  Give me a second and I'll find the model #
[02:20] <Iwonder|too> gpu?
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> KNate: ouch.
[02:20] <KNate> so yeh, last time i did acpi off, i couldnt boot again till reinstall :(
[02:21] <Iwonder|too> gpu is?
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> Iwonder|too: graphics processor
[02:21] <Iwonder|too> acpi as in power management shut down the video?
[02:21] <dogatemycomputer> adam_: thanks for the positive comments!
[02:21] <KNate> how can i check if my pcmcia is working, ill go buy a pcm soundcard
[02:22] <KNate> yeh basicly
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> KNate: I don't know if there is a way..
[02:22] <BluesKaj> KNate, what soundcard?
[02:22] <dogatemycomputer> I have a Dell C400 and a Toshiba Satellite that worked flawlessly on both counts..
[02:22] <KNate> i have a intel-hda that refuses to work
[02:22] <Iwonder|too> lsmod
[02:22] <adam_> its a GATEWAY 8510GZ NOTEBOOK
[02:22] <Iwonder|too> look for something cs or pcmia
[02:23] <KNate> and ive tried so many things, im sure ive just screwd it up
[02:23] <Mo0oSaH> how do you mount bin,cue files?
[02:24] <KNate> is there away i can restore all the audio files like it would be from a fresh install, so i can start over again
[02:24] <adam_> dogatemycomputer I love the name,  would hate if that ever happened. lol.
[02:25] <dogatemycomputer> adam_: lol ..  i got the name from my girlfriend's father's dog who was chewing on a sony laptop..
[02:25] <dogatemycomputer> it was quite amuzing!
[02:25] <KNate> dogartemypc, what sound card was in the sattlite
[02:25] <adam_> dogatemycomputer,  Ubuntu must be realy close to being ready.  Good to hear your success aswell!
[02:25] <Iwonder|too> KNate:  only audio files are mixer stored settings ,alsa conf and whatever non working module you loaded
[02:26] <adam_> dogatemycomputer I hope it was a realy old sony laptop.  that would realy suck.
[02:26] <dogatemycomputer> hey.. i know i'm going to be flamed for this.. and I will NEVER buy another Microsoft product again... (bought it before I was enlightened).. but is there a way to mount a Windows Mobile 5 device so I can read the contents of the memory stick? or should I just buy a memory card reader?
[02:26] <Iwonder|too> alsaconf and alsamixer will redo the first 2 and rmmod will unload the module
[02:27] <dogatemycomputer> adam_: well..  he's an architect so he buys a new laptop every year.. so no worries..
[02:27] <KNate> and then that will give me a clean start?
[02:27] <dogatemycomputer> adam_: thankfully he avoids HP products though.
[02:28] <evievi> hi there, have 7.04 (AMD64) and the mic doesn't respond although sound is OK. Any ideas? Thanks
[02:28] <KNate> just be happy that the sound is working
[02:29] <evievi> is this a known problem???
[02:29] <evievi> why is that
[02:29] <evievi> ?
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> evievi: did you turn on all the switches in Kmix?
[02:29] <evievi> yes I did
[02:29] <Iwonder|too> KNate: should,there isn't nothing to sound but proper module and a proper set conf,biggest thiung is if alsa offeres the module
[02:29] <KNate> because i have no sound, and hate my laptop
[02:29] <BluesKaj> check alsamixer evievi
[02:29] <Iwonder|too> evievi: is mic unmuted?
[02:30] <dogatemycomputer> KNate: what kind of laptop is it?
[02:30] <evievi> just a min to install alsamixer
[02:30] <adam_> dogatemycomputer I have a soney memory stick reader that I have to mount as a drive when I connect it.  If your windows Mobile 5 device is anything similar, see what comes up with "dmesg"
[02:30] <KNate> so whats the exact steps i should do to remove that crap so i can start fresh
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> dogatemycomputer: sattelite p100
[02:30] <KNate> i have a full custom tosbiha satillite
[02:30] <adam_> dogatemycomputer may just need to mount it.
[02:30] <evievi> mic is unmuted
[02:30] <KNate> it has the works, was built for a desktop replacement powerhouse monster
[02:31] <evievi> in kmixer, in the 'output' tab I have the mic dispalyed. Is that OK?
[02:31] <dogatemycomputer> KNate: ohhhh.. i'm sorry :(  i've never had an off-the-shelf Satellite experience a problem before but the custom models might get a bit sticky..
[02:31] <Iwonder|too> evievi:  is mic cut on  in mixer,2nd or 3rd tab?
[02:31] <BluesKaj> alsamixer is installed by default on the latest (k)ubuntus
[02:31] <evievi> no, isn't
[02:31] <evievi> is only on the 'ouput' (first!) tab
[02:31] <dogatemycomputer> adam_: it shows up in dmesg and even assigns it a device but i'm not sure how to mount it as a drive.  i can see how to sync it using one of the sync apps but i'm not sure how to mount it.  No worries though.. next version of the kernel has support built in :)
[02:31] <KNate> well they only thing giving me a problem is the only thing i didnt change, and thats the sound card
[02:32] <Iwonder|too> alsamixer?
[02:32] <Iwonder|too> install it if it isn't
[02:32] <evievi> just a min to install
[02:32] <sparr> My KDE mouse cursor settings are overridden in firefox.  How can I fix this?
[02:32] <BluesKaj> alsamixer is part of the alsa sound system
[02:32] <dogatemycomputer> [ 3068.415896]  usb 4-2: PocketPC PDA converter now attached to ttyUSB0
[02:32] <dogatemycomputer> [ 3068.416117]  usbcore: registered new interface driver ipaq
[02:32] <evievi> the sound system is set to 'Auto'
[02:33] <Iwonder|too> KNate: run alsamixer be sure everything is unmuted turned up,alsamixer may show slides not in kmixer
[02:33] <KNate> done that
[02:34] <BluesKaj> alsa = advanced linux sound architecture
[02:35] <Iwonder|too> have you tried alsaconf and manually entering criteria reported by bios
[02:35] <adam_> dogatemycomputer,  odd message.  I'm quite new to linux, so I've already exausted my idea's.  Good to hear it will be supported soo though. :)
[02:35] <Iwonder|too> maybe even changing it in bios and rerunning alsaconf?
[02:35] <Iwonder|too> being custom you may have a setting conflict
[02:35] <tinin> could someone recomend me a nice ftp program?
[02:35] <KNate> theres nothing in the bios about sound :(
[02:35] <Iwonder|too> you should also check dmesg for alsa lines,see if there is a hint
[02:35] <Kr4t05> Hey, does anyone know it bitchunker will work with MDF files?
[02:35] <hitmanWilly> tinin: server or client?
[02:36] <Azmodan> I get a "could not find mime type application/octet-string" error every time I open a qt app (then the app opens normally) and a bunch of those at boot, does anyone knows how to fix this?
[02:36] <Iwonder|too> no way in bios to change address interupts?
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> tinin: kget
[02:36] <tinin> hitmanWilly client
[02:36] <evievi> installed alsamixergui and shows everything not muted
[02:36] <hitmanWilly> tinin: most web browsers do it natively
[02:36] <adam_> I'm so impressed with linux, well particularly ubuntu and kubuntu.  all the programs I need are installable right from the memu.  No more cracking and messing about, like I had to in the windows world.
[02:36] <tinin> nosrednaekim i need to upload things
[02:36] <tinin> hitmanWilly
[02:36] <hitmanWilly> oh, upload
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> tinin: ah..... fish
[02:37] <dogatemycomputer> adam_: i converted my girlfriend to linux and her technical-phobia-self complimented how well it works..
[02:37] <dogatemycomputer> adam_: anyway.. thanks for the suggeston.. i'm heading out. Have a good night!
[02:38] <tinin> nosrednaekim i'll try, thanx
[02:38] <Iwonder|too> evievi: try in command line,its known the ncurses version shows more than gui
[02:38] <sparr> short of running my own repository mirror and keeping a symlink updated, is there any way to always use the latest ubuntu packages without updating my sources every few months?
[02:39] <Iwonder|too> sparr:  the repos should be good till you upgrade versions,just click update every so often in adept manager
[02:40] <evievi> command line shows me the same values like kmixer
[02:40] <Iwonder|too> and do full upgrade if you want
[02:40] <Iwonder|too> k
[02:41] <Iwonder|too> which sound card you got?
[02:41] <macke> Anyone wh has got Radeon x1600 working?
[02:41] <sparr> Iwonder|too: its the "upgrade versions" every 6 months thats the trouble
[02:41] <evievi> HDA Nvidia Realtek ALC888
[02:41] <macke> who*
[02:42] <Iwonder|too> in kmixer,2nd tab(input) cut mic up,make sure green dot is lit,3rd tab(switches) select mic(mic1 on mine)
[02:43] <Iwonder|too> also verify mic itself works on other machine
[02:43] <Iwonder|too> if its built in laptop,plug one in external
[02:43] <evievi> the weird thing is that in 'Input' no mic is dispalyed!
[02:43] <evievi> they are displayed in the 'Output' tab!
[02:44] <Iwonder|too> evievi: i'd say use a dufferent module
[02:44] <snowdonkey> Howdy, since switching to Feisty from Dapper Kubuntu doesn't recognize blank CD-R discs in the drive.  is there something I have to download?
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> snowdonkey: nope... but why do you want it to recognize blank cds?
[02:45] <evievi> in alsamixer from cmd is the same dispaly!
[02:45] <Iwonder|too> snowdonkey: whatcha mean doesn't reckonise?
[02:45] <snowdonkey> I get no option to mount the drive.  I can't burn to blank CD-R discs
[02:45] <evievi> regardless the module I get the same values
[02:45] <snowdonkey> The system doesn't recognize the medium;
[02:45] <sparr> evievi: most sound cards ALSO have a 'mic' output, it controls whether you hear your mic input over your speakers.  thats not unusual.  you not having a mic input is weird though.
[02:46] <Iwonder|too> evievi: try a different module maybe seems like a bad one wrong one
[02:46] <Iwonder|too> snowdonkey: only your burner will see a blank cd-r
[02:46] <sparr> snowdonkey: you cant ever mount a blank cd-r, in any version
[02:46] <Iwonder|too> you can't browse an unformatted disk
[02:46] <macke> Has anyone got a Radeon X1600 Graphic card working with OpenGL?
[02:46] <sparr> macke: i had a mobility 9000 working...
[02:47] <evievi> if you say "a different module" you mean?
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> macke: isn't that a laptop chip?
[02:47] <Iwonder|too> snowdonkey: you can't ever mount a non formatted disk or audio cd
[02:47] <Alonea> why does wireless assistant sometime connect to my network, and sometimes not...it is wpa. It was working for a couple days, but now I can't seem to get it to connect at all
[02:47] <snowdonkey> Normally when you put a disc in the drive, blank or not, it will show up media menu, or something will pop up asking you what you want to do
[02:47] <KNate> awghh imso freeking angry
[02:47] <snowdonkey> That doesn't happen, and I can't burn to the disc using K3b
[02:48] <snowdonkey> "OPC failed.  Probably the writer does not like the medium"  This didn't happen in Dapper, only Feisty.
[02:48] <macke> nosrednaekim: Dunno, i have it in my stationary anyways :)
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> KNate: calm down..
[02:48] <Iwonder|too> evievi:  either cook a new kernel,or go to alsa site follow directions,un set alsa in kernel,use alsa modules,they get updated,fixxed regularly,have better support
[02:48] <Iwonder|too> as i advised KNate,the kernel modules suck,
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> macke: ah..
[02:49] <Iwonder|too> snowdonkey: not mine
[02:49] <terrestre> someone know samething about edubuntu? theres nobody in that room
[02:49] <snowdonkey> Normally when I put a blank disc in my drive, on my desktop there's an icon that says "Blank CD-R"
[02:49] <Iwonder|too> snowdonkey: verify rw is set on cdrom in /etc/fstab
[02:50] <KNate> if i go offline its cause ive smashed the laptop lolo
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> terrestre: most of everything is the same... ask away
[02:50] <evievi> I see. Thanks. I'll try that
[02:50] <pdxsam> Snowdonkey.. if you open a console  and run k3b with the command sudo k3b  can you write to the CD then?
[02:50] <Iwonder|too> good luck with sound problems gtg to work
[02:50] <snowdonkey> I'll try both of these -- fstab and K3b in sudo.  brb
[02:50] <KNate> thanks cya
[02:51] <terrestre> i just installed edubuntu, the installing finish and didnt ask me for a password or user, so i cant log in
[02:51] <KNate> so should i keep trying or go buy a pcmcia soundcard
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> KNate: might be more worth your while to get a pcmcia soundcard(or wait till yours is suppoted correctly
[02:52] <snowdonkey> The drive is listed in fstab as /dev/scd0.  The mount point is /media/cdrom0
[02:52] <KNate> well i dj alot and use my laptop as a resource for %70 of music :(
[02:52] <snowdonkey> Under the options column is says "user, noauto"
[02:52] <snowdonkey> Does that mean I have to manually mount it?
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> KNate: hmm...
[02:52] <KNate> M$ crashed on my way to often, pretty embarrising
[02:52] <pdxsam> snowdonkey no    cdroms should be noauto
[02:53] <KNate> but i dont wanna go buy a card and then be stuck int he same boat with it not working
[02:53] <snowdonkey> pdxsam: Oh, ok.  I'll try running as K3b as root.
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> KNate: well, you can at least garuntee that it'll work b4 you buy
[02:54] <KNate> i dont know that, google didnt really help me, and i dont know if alsa supports pcmcia sound cards, nor do i even know if my pcm slots are working in kubuntu
[02:54] <KNate> is there away to check
[02:57] <snowdonkey> pdxsam: Still no dice.  Ran K3b as root, and it saw the blank CD-R.  Right after "Performing Optimum Power Calibration" it says "OPC failed.  Probably the writer does not like the medium"
[02:57] <pdxsam> hmmm
[02:57] <macke> How can i find out my XFree86 Version?
[02:58] <pdxsam> try running the k3bsetup again  sudo k3bsetup and make sure all permissions are right
[02:58] <nerdparty> I know this is the wrongplace,but can anyone help me with some XP problems on my other compy?
[02:58] <snowdonkey> Ok.
[02:58] <pdxsam> it sounds like there's an issue with your scsi emulation layer
[02:59] <KNate> oh the humanit
[02:59] <KNate> y
[03:00] <snowdonkey> pdxsam: Hrm, "sudo: k3bsetup: command not found"  :-/
[03:00] <Alonea> why does wireless assistant sometime connect to my network, and sometimes not...it is wpa. It was working for a couple days, but now I can't seem to get it to connect at all.
[03:00] <genii> KNate: I'm pretty sure lspci will also list your pcmcia adapter
[03:01] <snowdonkey> I used aptitude to search repositories, see if I'm missing anything.  I haven't installed the dev files or mp3 decoder libraries
[03:01] <macke> Is it this one in Kubuntu 7.04: XFree86 version 4.6.0?
[03:01] <pdxsam> snowdonkey    interesting that you wouldn't have it. That sets up all the permissions for k3b to operate correctly
[03:03] <snowdonkey> pxdsam: If it matters, I have K3b 1.0 using KDE 3.5.6
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> hey Jack3
[03:03] <pdxsam> I have same setup here
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> KNate: seems there NO PCIMCIA cards supported by linux
[03:04] <snowdonkey> Also my machine is a Sony Vaio VGN-A150.  I've tried burning using Sony CD-R and TDK CD-R with same results
[03:04] <Jack3> hey nosrednaekim
[03:05] <loxley_> how do i access and manage certificates in kubuntu ?
[03:05] <KNate> yeh, i know, that sucks heu
[03:05] <pdxsam> snowmonkey   do you have difficulty mounting CD's that have already been burned?
[03:05] <KNate> but i had a little lookly on the alsa site and found this
[03:05] <snowdonkey> I'll check right now.
[03:05] <KNate> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Creative_Labs#matrix the one above where the red is
[03:05] <KNate> they say they support it
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> creative is expensive
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> KNate: and it seems to say the the driver is unstab;e
[03:09] <snowdonkey> pdxsam: I had no problems mounting an burnt audio cd, or a cd with an ubuntu install on it, or a real DVD.
[03:09] <daath> anyone know what network the linuxmce help channel is?
[03:10] <daath> on what network, even
[03:10] <pdxsam> then it definitely sounds like the scsi emulation isn't working correctly to burn.
[03:11] <macke> What X-window version is Kubuntu 7.04 come with?
[03:11] <Hobbsee> 7.2, iirc
[03:12] <snowdonkey> Is there maybe something I can install?  I'm certain everything was working as usual in Dapper for me.  I just recently switched to feisty then started noticing this problem
[03:12] <hitmanWilly> !info | X
[03:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about info - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:12] <hitmanWilly> !info X
[03:12] <ubotu> Package x does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[03:12] <snowdonkey> pdxsam: Or perhaps different software?
[03:12] <hitmanWilly> !info X11
[03:12] <ubotu> Package x11 does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[03:12] <KNate> well i guess im just screwd then, oh well
[03:12] <hitmanWilly> hmmm
[03:13] <hitmanWilly> !find xorg
[03:13] <ubotu> Found: libglu1-xorg-dev, xorg, xorg-dev, xserver-xorg, xserver-xorg-core (and 80 others)
[03:13] <hitmanWilly> !info xorg
[03:13] <ubotu> xorg: X.Org X Window System. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.2-0ubuntu11 (feisty), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB
[03:13] <hitmanWilly> 7.2 :)
[03:13] <macke> !info XFree86
[03:13] <ubotu> Package xfree86 does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[03:14] <pdxsam> snowdonkey you could try installing xcdroast and see if there's different behavior
[03:14] <hitmanWilly> ubu uses xorg
[03:14] <macke> hitmanWilly: ahhh. thanks! im trying to get my grapchic card working :)
[03:15] <snowdonkey> Alright, will do -- thanks.  If it doesn't is there a way to fix the emulation layer or some workaround?
[03:15] <hitmanWilly> macke: what kind?
[03:15] <macke> Radeon x1600 :(
[03:15] <hitmanWilly> ugh, ati...
[03:15] <macke> Aye, i know next time ill get a nvidia
[03:16] <hitmanWilly> macke: don't be so quick, supposedly ati's gonna open source their drivers
[03:16] <defcon> hey anyone know why my ubuntu all of a sudden stopped mounting my windows disk
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> macke: fglrx doesn't work?
[03:16] <macke> from ATi sire what is needed then: XFree86 version 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, or X.Org 6.8
[03:16] <macke> site*
[03:17] <macke> nosrednaekim: i just get command not found
[03:17] <hitmanWilly> macke: thats probably with a > sign
[03:17] <BluesKaj> macke, are you trying for DRI and google earth to work ?
[03:17] <macke> hitmanWilly: nope, not on their site atleast
[03:17] <hitmanWilly> :(
[03:17] <macke> BluesKaj: i want OpenGL
[03:17] <hitmanWilly> fscking ati...
[03:18] <macke> agree
[03:18] <tv__> wow that was strange - the net just died here
[03:18] <BluesKaj> macke, http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> macke: you get a what?
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> did you install the fglrx drivers?
[03:19] <daath> so, anyone know on what network the linuxmce help channel is? :)
[03:19] <ubuntu__> someone please help.....whenever i try to install kubuntu feisty the resolution is very small. i already tried adding new resolutions to xorg.conf, but the resolutions were already present. what can i do to solve this problem?
[03:19] <macke> nosrednaekim: dunno, last time i used Linux i was on RedHat version 3 something i think
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> macke: get the fglrx drivers...the proprietary ATI drivers
[03:21] <daath> macke: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide :)
[03:21] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, depends what he wants to do ...has to make a choice
[03:21] <daath> method 1 is easy and it works - I just used it ;)
[03:21] <macke> nosrednaekim: These? http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html
[03:22] <daath> macke: Just use the ones in the ubuntu repository - see the link I just posted - it only a couple of steps :)
[03:23] <snowdonkey> pdxsam: I installed x-cd-roast.  I got similar results.  After setting up a user and default image path I tried to burn.  I got the message "wodim: OPC failed"
[03:23] <macke> daath: thanks reading it now, seems promising
[03:23] <pdxsam> snowdonkey     I'm not sure how to fix the emulation layer.
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> macke: yes thouse.. but there are ones remade for ubuntu
[03:24] <snowdonkey> Alright.  Thanks for your help!
[03:24] <daath> nosrednaekim: The one from ati.amd.com can build ubuntu packages :)
[03:25] <pdxsam> you're welcome
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> daath: yeah it can... but ubuntu ones are easier (an a heck of a lot smaller)
[03:26] <daath> hehehe ok
[03:27] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, no the latest proprietary driver is bogus . the previous drivers need to be patched but they work on feisty
[03:28] <daath> hmm where do you set a screensaver on a default kubuntu install?
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> daath: kcontrol
[03:28] <daath> ah
[03:30] <cenzin__> help
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> cenzin__: whats your problem?
[03:33] <daath> wooot - limuxmce 1.1 beta is installing :)
[03:33] <daath> linuxmce too
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> is that like myth tv?
[03:34] <daath> it uses mythtv for the tv-part - it's a wee bit more than just mythtv :)
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> ah.
[03:35] <daath> www.linuxmce.com if you don't know it - theres a little show-off video too
[03:35] <macke> daath: Could you send that website link again? i lost it after restart X :)
[03:35] <daath> macke: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide :)
[03:36] <macke> daath: Thanks! :)
[03:36] <daath> hmmm I have to figure out how to force some graphics modes on this machine
[03:36] <daath> last time I tried it completely ignored my modelines :(
[03:37] <nzk> Who doth highlighted me.
[03:37] <macke> daath: Seems like it worked! a bunch of hugs for you :)
[03:37] <macke> daath: and cookies ofc
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> macke: got 3d now?
[03:37] <daath> macke: Great :) You're welcome :D
[03:38] <macke> nosrednaekim: OpenGL version string: 2.0.6334 (8.34.8)
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> sweet.
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> whats fgl_glxgears say by way of framerates?
[03:40] <daath> i got around 500 fps - but I have no reference - is that ok?
[03:42] <daath> wtf my fgl_glxgears is gone - I think linuxmce removed xorg-driver-fglrx ?!
[03:45] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[03:46] <word> Could someone please take a look at my log file ( http://pastebin.ca/494021 ) it seems to indicate a nonfatal xkbcomp error...which is then followed by the server crashing....what happens is...I can run X for awhile...then x will restart. Running a graphics intensive program seems to accelerate, but not cause the issue. Anyone have any ideas?
[03:49] <ice9_> has anyone tried out linuxmce 1.1 yet ?
[03:49] <Corpis> i got sound loaded on here now. I watch videos and get websounds
[03:49] <Corpis> but why do I get no sound when i load a game?
[03:49] <Corpis> like enemy territory?
[03:49] <ice9_> that one sucks with sound on linux
[03:50] <Corpis> is there a sound file I should config for the game?
[03:50] <Corpis> really?
[03:50] <ice9_> I think you need different sound drivers for it
[03:50] <ice9_> yeah there's a huge post about that game and sound
[03:50] <Corpis> so it could just be that game? and work on other games?
[03:50] <Corpis> k
[03:50] <Corpis> thx ;)
[03:50] <ice9_> yeah other games sound works good
[03:50] <ice9_> np
[03:51] <ice9_> anyone try out linuxmce 1.1 beta yet ? I'm really curious to see if this version works
[03:51] <|Assassin`|> !xgl
[03:51] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[03:52] <ice9_> !linuxmce
[03:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linuxmce - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:52] <crackhead_25> hey anyone know where are the history files stored in kopete???
[03:52] <crackhead_25> (in what part of the directory tree...)
[03:53] <ice9_> no clue
[03:53] <crackhead_25> ..or does anyone know where "kdedirs" is??
[03:54] <Etokura_> Yeah?
[03:55] <jhutchins> crackhead_25: Just guessing, it'd be somewhere under .kde.
[03:56] <jhutchins> ~/.kde/
[03:57] <daath> hmmm my linuxmce installation seems to have stopped :(
[03:57] <crackhead_25> yeah i found it
[03:57] <ice9_> bummer
[03:57] <ice9_> where did it stop at
[03:58] <ice9_> do they have an irc channel yet for it
[03:58] <ice9_> or still skype and yahoo
[03:58] <daath> It says that pluto-orbiter failed - it isn't doing anything any more - I wonder if it will resume or if I have to kill it?
[03:59] <mokkan> hey, i seem to be having some wireless issues..
[03:59] <ice9_> wait did you download teh new linuxmce 1.1
[03:59] <ice9_> or did you d/l the old one
[03:59] <daath> ice9_: The wiki says IRC, Skype and Yahoo, but I haven't been able to find out on what IRC network
[03:59] <mokkan> it works for awhile, but then the internet stops working altogether, even though it says im still connected
[03:59] <daath> ice9_: It's the new 1.1 beta
[03:59] <ice9_> great
[04:00] <ice9_> they said the pluto repos were fixed
[04:00] <ice9_> cause thats what I problems with on 1.0
[04:00] <MukiEX> Anyone know where I can find sample mencoder settings for k9copy?
[04:01] <daath> the annoying thing is that I think the net went down for a few seconds, and that is what made the installation bork :(
[04:01] <daath> and irc.ubuntu.com is lagging like hell it seems
[04:03] <daath> irc.ubuntu.com was lagging like ****
[04:03] <daath> ice9_: sorry if I missed anything
[04:04] <word> you didn't
[04:04] <purpleposeidon> ooffice's auto-recovery feature has an interesting habbit of being useless.
[04:04] <marccollin> is there a tool to manage hardware under kubuntu?
[04:04] <marccollin> a tool similar to what mandriva and opensuse have....
[04:04] <daath> wtf I pressed CTRL+C in the LinuxMCE installation window, and then it tells me that it is finished successfully?! heheh
[04:05] <word> purpleposeidon: the one time i've had it work...I worshipped openoffice for a month
[04:06] <jay> whats up boys, I need a little help, I'm a little new to this whole linux thing but it was rather forced upon me, as my computer is almost literally uncompatible with windows XP
[04:06] <raylu> marccollin: no, but there's a kcm module for pretty much everything
[04:06] <raylu> uncompatible with XP?
[04:06] <ice9_> !nx
[04:06] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[04:07] <jay> (hard drives uncompatible with windows XP un service packed, and my motherboard is uncompatible with the service packs unless I hotfix them before I service pack
[04:07] <jay> Now, I've gotten used to this.
[04:07] <jay> however, I recently purchased a tv tuner card, as I want to watch tv
[04:07] <marccollin> i don't find this software with adept manager
[04:07] <jay> my version of kubuntu has support for it, or so I've been led to believe, however, I just don't know how to configure it.
[04:08] <raylu> marccollin: kcm is the...control panel, if you will
[04:08] <raylu> settings > system settings
[04:08] <jay> I'm sure its some super easy command that you do in terminal
[04:08] <jay> or that
[04:08] <jay> thanks
[04:08] <jay> Okay,
[04:08] <marccollin> you talk about the kde control center?
[04:08] <jay> I don't see a button that says, "TVs, so"
[04:09] <jay> Oh.
[04:09] <jay> maybe you aren't talking to me
[04:09] <jay> Hmm.
[04:09] <word> jay: setting that up..for me...was hard ><
[04:09] <raylu> marccollin, yes
[04:09] <word> jay: please tell me you have a happauge?
[04:09] <jay> No I don't.
[04:09] <word> jay: >< what brand?
[04:09] <jay> However, it's built on the cx88 driver set
[04:09] <jay> chip set.
[04:09] <word> ah you're in luck then
[04:09] <jay> I know.
[04:10] <jay> Or so I've been told
[04:10] <jay> I'm still up the creek without a paddle, as I have no idea how to config it.
[04:10] <word> still is going to be a tedious process...a program to test functionality (if you're using the coax input) would be kdetv
[04:10] <word> yes yes...let me see if i can find a more up to date tutorial than the one i used
[04:11] <word> what's your specific brand of tuner card?
[04:11] <mokkan> anyone wanna help me with my wireless problem?
[04:11] <jay> kernel 2.6.x already has everything included. Just enable the config options you need (i2c, video4linux and the actual driver), compile your kernel and you are done.
[04:11] <jay> that is what it says from the v4l wiki
[04:12] <jay> of course, this whol 2.6.x shit is greek to me
[04:12] <jay> whole#
[04:12] <word> mokkan: only if you give free tinfoil hats....ok so that wasn't -that- funny >.> what exactly is wrong with it?
[04:12] <mokkan> lol
[04:12] <mokkan> well
[04:12] <mokkan> its a broadcom, so im using fwcutter
[04:12] <mokkan> and it actually works just fine for the most part
[04:12] <mokkan> but it drops my connection
[04:12] <word> jay: current version is 2.6.20 it's the version of the kernel which controls all the stuff you don't see, interacts with hardware ect.
[04:13] <word> mokkan: hmm...with knetworkmanager?
[04:13] <mokkan> yeah, knetworkmanager says im still connected
[04:13] <mokkan> but the internet doesnt work at all
[04:13] <mokkan> and dmesg says stuff about failed packages
[04:13] <raylu> mokkan, you might want to try installing kwifimanager
[04:13] <mokkan> packets
[04:14] <jay> you're on wifi
[04:14] <jay> hmm
[04:14] <raylu> is the wireless network you're trying to connect to WEP secured? and have you left-clicked on the knm try icon?
[04:14] <jay> I had to pull my wifi card and go wired in order to get anything to work
[04:14] <word> when feisty was first released my older brother tried it on his laptop and had similar problems with kubuntu...he switched to ubuntu *CURSES!!!*  and the problem was fixed...
[04:14] <jay> it was a --tch
[04:14] <raylu> yeah. i don't like the new wireless support in feisty either
[04:14] <word> had similar problems with knetworkman on kubuntu*
[04:15] <raylu> i just fixed it :P
[04:15] <mokkan> so kwifimanager might sovle my problems?
[04:15] <mokkan> *solve
[04:15] <raylu> might. you should also try left-clicking on knm's tray icon
[04:15] <word> mokkan: it's debatable but it's worth a shot
[04:15] <raylu> and seeing what it says under Wirless Networks
[04:15] <raylu> *Wireless
[04:15] <raylu> and is it secured or not?
[04:15] <word> jay: v4l's tuts think you're uber pro and can compile your own kernel..i'm trying to find a better one
[04:16] <jay> Jesus, I thought getting WoW to run would be hard.
[04:16] <jay> This crap is a nightmare.
[04:17] <trix`G> quick question, I've been running kubuntu just fine for a long time now, but about 5 minutes ago I plugged in a big TV through S-Vid and booted up my system.  The TV worked great during bootup (clone mode) but as soon as X started, POOF no TV.  How do I get it back?
[04:17] <david2_> What application uses port 907?
[04:17] <jordo23> Does KDE have an equivelent to Daemon Tools?
[04:18] <word> jay: WoW is easy it works nearly perfect with wine ;p
[04:18] <raylu> jordo23, linux can mount isos natively
[04:18] <jay> ya
[04:18] <jay> it actually didn't take long
[04:18] <jay> the problem was, no one bothered to mention that F. Fawn doesn't come with 3d drivers
[04:19] <jay> and I thought I was doing something wrong.
[04:19] <jordo23> raylu: I know. But I am looking for a GUI option...
[04:19] <trix`G> anyone?
[04:19] <word> jay: feisty is 'supposed' to have an easier more straight-through method of installing the 3d drivers. it doesn't because the only drivers at the moment are proprietary. Projects are on the way though that will change that.
[04:19] <raylu> jordo23, acetoneISO is supposed to work, but it didn't for me.
[04:19] <Etokura_> Yeah?
[04:20] <raylu> you could also write a really simple script to do it. it's a one line command, so I don't see why you must have a GUI
[04:20] <ice9_> so hard trying to get 720p to show in kubuntu
[04:20] <raylu> trix`G, try http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fubuntuforums.org%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D361124&ei=Og1NRrnHFZCOgATIhqmCDQ&usg=AFrqEzf_GAGOgwYxwiB2svn6NIb-lLjE9g&sig2=FAuvL9anq4VjC05M7logaw
[04:20] <raylu> oh wtf.
[04:20] <raylu> try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=361124
[04:20] <ice9_> lol
[04:20] <word> jay: ...so uh again what's your specific brand of card?
[04:20] <raylu> actually, nvm. that probably won't work
[04:20] <jay> ati tv wonder pro
[04:21] <jay> its crap, but its on cx88 chip set
[04:22] <word> hmm...ati tv all in wonder pro.. anything after that? like a number?
[04:22] <ice9_> lol
[04:22] <mokkan> what would you guys recommend for syncing music between my lappy and my desktop?
[04:22] <BluesKaj> jay, i have the same card, no luck with tvtime yet , I'm afraid
[04:22] <raylu> both are linux?
[04:23] <mokkan> mhm
[04:23] <hitmanWilly> mokkan: i have NFS set up for just that
[04:23] <ice9_> has anyone got linuxmce 1.1 to work on kubuntu yet
[04:23] <word> jay: ati tv all in wonder pro..anything after that? like a number?
[04:25] <jay> i know the entire chipset
[04:25] <jay> its a tvwonderpro
[04:25] <jay> all in wonder is an entire different chipset
[04:25] <jay> tv wonder pro
[04:25] <jay> not all in wonder
[04:25] <|Assassin`|> !xgl
[04:25] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:25] <word> BluesKaj: o.O really? sheesh..
[04:25] <word> bah not blues...jay*
[04:25] <jay> all in wonder is an all inclusive graphics card that isn't even on this chipset
[04:26] <word> ok
[04:26] <BluesKaj> not all in wonder pro...the gatos drivers work with them , but not the ati tvw onder pro , they're different
[04:26] <BluesKaj> as jays says
[04:26] <jay> tv wonder pro is supported under v4l
[04:27] <ice9_> I love using miranda
[04:27] <ice9_> so nice
[04:27] <jay> I just need to configure the cx88 drivers to notice that it's a tv wonder pro
[04:27] <jay> it's coming up as 0 unknown device
[04:27] <raylu> ice9_, miranda for linux? the IM program?
[04:27] <morla> hi
[04:27] <jay> and i need it to come up as 4 tv wonder pro
[04:27] <morla> some java programmer in  here?
[04:28] <BluesKaj> been searching for 2 days but no luck ...itseems if you want to run google earth and direct rendering , then tv time won't work
[04:28] <jay> [   20.078892]  cx88[0] : Your board isn't known (yet) to the driver.  You can
[04:28] <jay> [   20.078894]  cx88[0] : try to pick one of the existing card configs via
[04:28] <jay> [   20.078895]  cx88[0] : card=<n> insmod option.
[04:28] <jay> how do I do this?
[04:28] <Iwonder|too> anyone can help with pointing ,me to a how to get youtube vids to play in firefox or konqueror on feisty?
[04:28] <jay> all I want to do is change the card=0 to card=4
[04:29] <jay> wonder|too
[04:29] <raylu> Iwonder|too, what happens when you try and play one?
[04:29] <jay> I can
[04:29] <raylu> morla, what are you looking for?
[04:29] <hitmanWilly> Iwonder|too: you need flash
[04:30] <jay> http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=Shockwaveflash
[04:30] <ubuntu_> how can I get the nvidia 8800 to work ?
[04:30] <hitmanWilly> !flash | Iwonder|too
[04:30] <ubotu> Iwonder|too: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[04:30] <morla> raylu, I'm sitting over a homework.. I cannot get Math.cos to produce correct results.
[04:30] <jay> follow the .tar.gz instrutcions
[04:30] <word> jay: any idea if you're supposed to use bttv?
[04:30] <Iwonder|too> it says either javascript or flash player not installed in firefox,in konqueror i get a black screen then it pops up with forward/back refresh to play again and a rightclick play menu(klask i think)
[04:30] <jay> wonder
[04:30] <BluesKaj> jay, what cmnd  you using for that output ?
[04:31] <jay> follow the link I gave you
[04:31] <jay> dmesg
[04:31] <jay> |wonder|too http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=Shockwaveflash
[04:31] <Iwonder|too> k thx
[04:31] <jay> use the .tar.gz instrutions
[04:31] <raylu> you really don't need that, jay
[04:31] <phpcode> how can i setup a vhost? i have a domain.
[04:31] <jay> what
[04:31] <morla> raylu, it gives me values such as 6.1 for Math.toRadians(90 degree)
[04:32] <raylu> when you try and play a flash movie, it will install it for you
[04:32] <raylu> (assuming you're using Firefox)
[04:32] <jay> no it wont
[04:32] <jay> I was
[04:32] <Iwonder|too> tried that,was uncertain as to the location of firefox librarys
[04:32] <jay> it sent me there
[04:32] <jay> so, um, step off
[04:32] <jay> i can tell you
[04:32] <word> I've never had firefox autoinstall it :-/
[04:32] <word> successfully anyway..
[04:33] <Iwonder|too> yep sent me thee,i got a source followed instructions and evidently i couldn't locate the firefox libs directory
[04:34] <BluesKaj> yup jay , i see what you mean by card 4
[04:34] <Iwonder|too> so i was hoping maybe ya'll had it working and knew how,i've installed nonfree adobe flash from adept and swflash neither work
[04:34] <hitmanWilly> Iwonder|too: try installing flashplugin-nonfree from the repos
[04:34] <jay> wonder|too
[04:34] <acp_> hi, anyone can tell my how I choose my default sound card in kubuntu?... i can't find it
[04:34] <jay> did you get firefox through adept?
[04:35] <BluesKaj> I wonder what config file is that listed in so we can edit it
[04:35] <Iwonder|too> yes jaaroo
[04:35] <Iwonder|too> yes jay
[04:35] <jay> You can
[04:35] <jay> [   20.078894]  cx88[0] : try to pick one of the existing card configs via
[04:35] <jay> [   20.078895]  cx88[0] : card=<n> insmod option.
[04:35] <jay> that what it says
[04:35] <jay> :(
[04:35] <jay> go into adept
[04:35] <jay> search firefox
[04:36] <jay> (I'm telling you this way so you can do it again in the future)
[04:36] <jay> then expand firefox
[04:36] <jay> and click details
[04:36] <jay> now click installed files
[04:36] <jay> and it tells you where it installed them
[04:36] <Iwonder|too> i was curious if being its fireox-bin and its missing fiefox headers perhaps i need firefox source
[04:37] <jay> then all you have to do is point the .tar.gz installer at the file
[04:37] <word> jay: success :) found what you need gimme a sec to pastebin
[04:37] <jay> sweet
[04:38] <Iwonder|too> jay what if the binary firefox doesn't have the directory?
[04:38] <raylu> Iwonder|too, wait...are you COMPILING the flash player?
[04:38] <word> jay: http://pastebin.ca/494093
[04:38] <jay> install firefox like a not robot
[04:38] <word> you can't compile the flash player..unless you're using the open source version which isn't completed yet...
[04:38] <genii> you *can't* compile the flash player as no source is available (proprietary to adobe)
[04:39] <Iwonder|too> yeah what word said
[04:39] <Iwonder|too> no
[04:39] <mcquaid> i installed just core kde apps, and adding as i need.  what pkgs provide networking options for setting ip address, dns, eth0/1 etc
[04:39] <word> jay: do a dmesg | less after that to see if it initialized right..otherwise restart and see if it worked
[04:40] <BluesKaj> you can compile flash but you have to know the path to firefox to make it work
[04:40] <Iwonder|too> the flash plugin redirect is for flash sources which need to be compiled,i however am sure this will fail on firefox -bin
[04:40] <jay> what do I do with this?
[04:40] <jay> lol
[04:40] <jay> nevermind
[04:40] <jay> am an idiot
[04:40] <word> jay: you use them ;p it's a list of commands to run
[04:40] <jhon> hola
[04:40] <word> heh ;p
[04:41] <raylu> whether or not you can compile it...i wouldn't recommend it, Iwonder|too
[04:41] <Iwonder|too> flashplugin-nonfree was allready installed
[04:41] <jay> jay@God:/etc/modprobe.d$ echo "options cx88xx card=4 tuner=44" > cx88xx
[04:41] <jay> bash: cx88xx: Permission denied
[04:41] <Iwonder|too> raylu: why not?
[04:41] <Iwonder|too> scared of sources?
[04:41] <word> put sudo in front of the command
[04:41] <jay> i did
[04:41] <jay> same
[04:41] <word> wtf? sudo is god
[04:41] <jay> jay@God:/etc/modprobe.d$ sudo echo "options cx88xx card=4 tuner=44" > cx88xx
[04:41] <jay> bash: cx88xx: Permission denied
[04:42] <Iwonder|too> <<<<binary distro noob,,not a linux noob
[04:42] <raylu> Iwonder|too, because there's no need to....
[04:42] <Iwonder|too> thats a good reason
[04:42] <jgibbar> can anyone help me with a network problem
[04:42] <raylu> !ask
[04:42] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:43] <Iwonder|too> doesn't matter to me source or binary just as long as it works
[04:43] <word> jay: ..gimme a second..
[04:43] <raylu> Iwonder|too, so I suppose you've tried firefox's autoinstall thingy?
[04:43] <jgibbar> I am using Samba and I am not able to see my roommates computer which is running vista, the name of the domain is workgroup
[04:43] <Iwonder|too> raylu: click here to get flash plugin?
[04:44] <Iwonder|too> thingy
[04:44] <Iwonder|too> yes to redirects you to adobe site where you download and conmpile the flash source'
[04:46] <raylu> o.0, that's not what it did for me.
[04:46] <raylu> it asked me to accept the agreement and *poof* it worked
[04:46] <word> jay: ok i've got it sorted... run this command - sudo su
[04:46] <raylu> it even reloaded the page for me :D
[04:46] <BluesKaj> jgibbar, in the terminal :' sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/smbmnt ' , then :' sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/smbumount ' ...this should give you access to your roomates pc.
[04:46] <raylu> why would you sudo su? just su should be fine
[04:46] <word> then run that echo command, then RIGHT AFTER type the command exit
[04:46] <jay> brb
[04:46] <raylu> oh wait, i see
[04:46] <dennisa> anyone know if the promise fasttrak sx4000 series raid contollers work with fiesty
[04:48] <Iwonder|too> raylu: ok,walk me through this evidently i'm doing something different than you
[04:48] <raylu> i went to a site with a flash video, clicked on the video (i suppose the button in the top-right would be the same), and the dialog popped up. i told it to look for the plugin (next), accepted the agreement, pressed next, and the rest was automatic
[04:49] <word> jay: follow these revised instructions - http://pastebin.ca/494105
[04:51] <Iwonder|too> ok,what site,maybe this a youtube thing
[04:51] <mokkan> sigh
[04:51] <mokkan> now my sound doesnt work
[04:51] <mokkan> perfect
[04:51] <raylu> don't remember; just any site with a flash video. it shouldn't be a youtube thing, though
[04:53] <jake> hello guys im new to linux. and i want to install the wine. how do i add it in the repos?
[04:53] <jgibbar> BluesKaj> Ok I did what you said, I can see his workgroup now but when I go to browse it I get this message "The file or folder smb://workgroup/ does not exist"
[04:54] <BluesKaj> raylu, most video sites use flash , especially youtube and myspace
[04:55] <raylu> jake, are you sure it's not already in your list? try sudo aptitude install wine
[04:55] <word> mokkan: :'( what'd you change?
[04:55] <mokkan> i just installed a few packages.. but nothing that should affect it
[04:55] <mokkan> ive rebooted too
[04:56] <BluesKaj> err I mean Iwonder|too
[04:57] <BluesKaj> workgroup is std name on windows for samba shares , make sure you roomate goes into 'properties" of the files and sets up 'sharing'
[04:57] <jake> thanks raylu. evrything's fine now
[04:57] <jake> guys anybody using here the feisty fawn?
[04:58] <raylu> almost all of us are, i'd imagine
[04:58] <jake> because i have a prob with it
[04:58] <killermach> I have ubuntu 6.06 on my laptop, it doesn't show fiesty as an update, like my workstation that had 6.10 did. how is best to update
[04:58] <BluesKaj> jgibbar, did you get that ?
[04:58] <hitmanWilly> jake, please continue...im intrigued
[04:58] <hitmanWilly> :)
[04:58] <jake> in feisty, when i connect my externel hdd, it didnt dect it.
[04:59] <raylu> killermach, have you updated your repositories? sudo aptitude update
[04:59] <jake> or when i try to open the source nothing file appears
[04:59] <hitmanWilly> jake: have you tried to mount it manually?
[04:59] <jgibbar> Everything on his end should be set up fine, I switched to Kubuntu from Vista and transfered all my files I needed to back up for school and stuff to his computer just fine, I am starting to think that it is Vista
[04:59] <jake> yes my hdd was external storage by usb
[05:00] <jake> vista sucks
[05:00] <hitmanWilly> jake: so you can mount it manually, it just automount it?
[05:00] <tomasz> can anyone help me installing nvidia drivers for 8800gtx ?
[05:00] <hitmanWilly> *doesn't
[05:01] <hitmanWilly> !nvidia | tomasz
[05:01] <ubotu> tomasz: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:01] <jgibbar> you don't have to tell me anything jake
[05:01] <jake> i think theres no prob with my ext storage. bcoz i install edgy now everythings fine
[05:01] <jake> i did also the upgrade from edgy to feisty
[05:02] <hitmanWilly> jake: usually you can get around that by putting it in fstab
[05:02] <jake> sorry jgibbar
[05:02] <jgibbar> jake> when you are using your external, are you just plugging it in or booting with it plugged into the USB?
[05:02] <jake> both
[05:03] <jgibbar> does either work with fiesty?
[05:03] <jake> both i boot with it and plug it without rebooting
[05:03] <jake> anybody had a same problem with me?
[05:04] <jgibbar> I am looking hold on, I had a similar prob with a USB wireless adapter
[05:04] <mokkan> how do i get alsaconf to work?
[05:04] <mokkan> i have alsa-utils
[05:04] <mokkan> but it doesnt seem to be included
[05:04] <KNate> dose anyone know of sound alternatives, like usb sound cards, pcmcia sound cards that work with kubuntu
[05:05] <BluesKaj> jgibbar, it could be vista, i only have experience with linux and xp on the same network
[05:05] <hitmanWilly> jake: usually putting the drive into fstab with the 'user' option fixes that prob
[05:05] <BluesKaj> altho, vista brags like hell how connectable it is to other OS's on a network
[05:06] <jake> sorry but im a newby i dont knw hw to do that
[05:08] <hitmanWilly> !fstab | jake
[05:08] <ubotu> jake: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[05:08] <jgibbar> jake> is this the only external usb drive you will be using?
[05:09] <mokkan> anyone wanna help with my sound problem? :(
[05:09] <jgibbar> if so, my problem was solved just by manually mounting the device, to do this you would type something like "mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mnt" into konsole
[05:09] <jake> yes
[05:10] <jgibbar> after manually mounting once, it picked up fine on its own every other time
[05:12] <jake> guys im very greatful for your response.. but now everythings fine.. i will stay using the edgy vrsion. bcoz everythings fine now
[05:13] <Zeelot> hey is it possible to make the login screen just a bunch of thumbs? instead of typing in the username just click on it?
[05:14] <specialbuddy> what do I do it apt asks for the CD and I don't have it?
[05:14] <Zeelot> can't seem to find setting for it
[05:14] <hitmanWilly> jake: whatever works fo ya, man
[05:15] <_6StringKng_> !beryl
[05:15] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:15] <specialbuddy> what do I do it apt asks for the CD and I don't have it?
[05:15] <specialbuddy> I burned a new CD and it doesn't work
[05:16] <jake> thanks..
[05:16] <_6StringKng_> !ATI
[05:16] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:16] <specialbuddy> what do I do it apt asks for the CD and I don't have it?
[05:17] <_6StringKng_> well I used this one
[05:17] <_6StringKng_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[05:17] <_6StringKng_> sry, wrong channel
[05:23] <Zhi> wii
[05:25] <melkor> I have a hard drive partition that is mounted, it appears to be empty but df says I am using 128 megs of it
[05:25] <melkor> does anybody know why that might be?
[05:27] <raylu> the header for the partition
[05:27] <raylu> including the MFT and whatnot
[05:27] <raylu> will take up some space
[05:27] <melkor> k
[05:28] <melkor> what about having the partition auto mount
[05:28] <raylu> fstab
[05:28] <melkor> cool
[05:28] <raylu> (i think)
[05:28] <Zeelot> anyone? thumbs as logins? please =(
[05:28] <Iwonder|too> ivman+pmount add user to plugdev group
[05:29] <raylu> Zeelot, I don't think I've ever seen it before
[05:29] <Zeelot> hmm
[05:30] <Zeelot> would make it much simpler for my parents to login if they can just click on the username
[05:30] <dpt> Hello everyone
[05:30] <dpt> i have one problem that i can't find in google
[05:30] <dpt> you're sort of my lasty hope
[05:30] <raylu> it would also be simple if they didn't have to type in a password
[05:31] <raylu> oh, I suppose you could use an auto-login script. only 1 username, though
[05:31] <lobster> dpt how can we help?
[05:31] <dpt> i can play originla dvds with kaffeine, but if i put a burned one, then i just won't work, it will show trhe video but then some error comes out
[05:31] <lobster> anyone familiar with wireless routers?
[05:31] <BluesKaj> my wife types in a pw everymorning, it's not difficult
[05:31] <dpt> i've tried with a million dvds, original works, burned no way
[05:31] <raylu> slightly, lobster
[05:31] <dpt> so, any idea what it might be?
[05:31] <lobster> dpt: do the burned dvds work in a regular dvd player?
[05:31] <specialbuddy> can anyone help me out with this http://www.askstudent.com/2006/10/20/how-to-crack-a-wep-key-using-ubuntu/
[05:31] <dpt> yeah
[05:32] <raylu> BluesKaj, his issue is the usernames. which I suppose are actually easiere to type...
[05:32] <Zeelot> I would like it to have no password...is that possible?
[05:32] <Iwonder|too> Zeelot: you can set passwordless accounts in login manager in k control
[05:32] <dpt> i wanted to see a movie today in my pc and i had to go to the lving room beause it was burned and kubutun won't play it
[05:32] <dpt> it worked perfectyly on the dvd
[05:32] <Zeelot> i made an account without a password but it tells me I have to set a new password when i try to login
[05:32] <BluesKaj> raylu, semantics
[05:32] <specialbuddy> can anyone help me out with this http://www.askstudent.com/2006/10/20/how-to-crack-a-wep-key-using-ubuntu/
[05:33] <BluesKaj> !codecs | dpt
[05:33] <ubotu> dpt: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:33] <lobster> raylu: can I set up knetwork manager to monitor my router for available networks?  or is there another program that will do that?
[05:33] <raylu> ...what?? your router should only host 1 network
[05:34] <lobster> true, but I should be able to use it as a gateway, no?
[05:34] <Zeelot> Iwonder|too : know why it tells me to reset password on first login? it also says invalid login if I try to keep the 'old password' field blank
[05:34] <dpt> hey but if i can see original dvds i have the codecs, don't i??
[05:35] <lobster> dpt: how are you burning your dvds?
[05:35] <BluesKaj> not all
[05:35] <raylu> oh. that's over my head then, lobster
[05:35] <lobster> thank you anyway, raylu...
[05:35] <dpt> i burned some with dvddecrypter in widnows and i bought the others
[05:35] <raylu> Zeelot, have you tried [22:32:11]  <Iwonder|too> Zeelot: you can set passwordless accounts in login manager in k control
[05:36] <dpt> so i don't know how they were burned
[05:36] <killermach> raylu: I'll try that now
[05:36] <Zeelot> is passwordless account a setting or do i leave the password field blank?
[05:37] <raylu> I suppose it's a setting
[05:37] <BluesKaj> Zeelot, warning , if X breaks , then pwless login will prevent you from using the TTY to fix Xorg..
[05:37] <melkor> dpt is it the same computer, maybe yours doesn't read dvd rws?
[05:37] <|Assassin`|> can anyone here help with beryl
[05:37] <Zeelot> right but my root (first user) has a password
[05:37] <Iwonder|too> dpt too many varables try playing videos of known file type to try and determine what support is missing
[05:37] <|Assassin`|> no one is in #ubuntu-effects
[05:37] <Zeelot> so I'm fine right? only my parents accounts are passwordless
[05:37] <|Assassin`|> speaking anyway
[05:37] <dpt> made sudo apt-get install libdvdread3 libdvdread-dev libdvdcss2
[05:38] <Iwonder|too> Zeelot:  never log into X as root
[05:38] <Zeelot> right
[05:38] <killermach> raylu: I get an error.."W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages
[05:38] <melkor> Lobster, it sounds like what you want would be taken care of on the router itself
[05:38] <mokkan> dammit
[05:38] <Zeelot> by root i mean the first account
[05:38] <mokkan> still no sound
[05:38] <Iwonder|too> hiode root user
[05:38] <dpt> yeah, it's the same pc, and i does read because i remember seeing those dvds like a year ago in windows o an older version of k/ubuntu
[05:38] <Iwonder|too> hide
[05:38] <raylu> killermach, ...huh? I don't remember helping you
[05:39] <hitmanWilly> killermach: go through /etc/apt/sources.list and see if there are any duplicate lines
[05:39] <BluesKaj> killermach, just ignore it ..just a dupe
[05:39] <Iwonder|too> dpt:  try to play them as root
[05:39] <|Assassin`|> hitmanwilly?
[05:39] <hitmanWilly> sup?
[05:39] <|Assassin`|> can you help me in #ubuntu effects
[05:40] <raylu> actually, the last time I soke to killermach was 41 minutes ago...
[05:40] <dpt> libdvdread: Could not open /dev/sda3 with libdvdcss.
[05:40] <dpt> libdvdread: Can't open /dev/sda3 for reading
[05:40] <dpt> libdvdread: Device /dev/sda3 inaccessible, CSS authentication not available.
[05:40] <raylu> so I suppose I did help you
[05:40] <killermach> raylu sorry..you answered a question about my laptop updating from 6.06 to  fiesty
[05:40] <dpt> i opened kaffeine and the dvd
[05:40] <hitmanWilly> |Assassin`|: what's the prob? oh, wait, beryl and ati right?
[05:40] <dpt> any idae how to solve these problem, maybe here's the cause
[05:40] <|Assassin`|> yea
[05:40] <killermach> raylu: and the error ended with run "apt-get update to correct"
[05:40] <killermach> raylu: thanks
[05:40] <dpt> ok, let me try the root thing
[05:40] <raylu> killermach, did you run it and, if so, did it work?
[05:41] <hitmanWilly> |Assassin`|: not much of a beryl guru :) but i'll give it a shot...
[05:41] <Iwonder|too> dpt right click kaffeine,place in run dialog
[05:41] <Iwonder|too> advanced run as different user set as root
[05:41] <Iwonder|too> then play the dvd
[05:41] <dpt> weel, i just run these and it seems to be working!!
[05:41] <dpt> with the command i just told u with apt
[05:42] <dpt> its working
[05:42] <|Assassin`|> i need to add the repos so i can downgrade the beryl core
[05:42] <dpt> thanks for helping me to figure it out
[05:42] <|Assassin`|> i can't figure out how to add the repositories
[05:42] <hitmanWilly> downgrade?
[05:42] <|Assassin`|> to 2.0 or something like that
[05:42] <raylu> |Assassin`|, open adept-manager, Adept > Manage Repositories
[05:42] <lobster> melkor: it is but I would prefer to not have to login to my router everytime I want to see such information.  I should be able to point to it and say "monitor for new networks"
[05:42] <Iwonder|too> dpt: it works as root?
[05:42] <|Assassin`|> this  sudo apt-get install beryl-core=0.2.0~0beryl1
[05:42] <raylu> but I've never heard of downgrade being part of a beryl solution
[05:42] <killermach> raylu: hmm. nope.. update manater says my system is up-to-date..
[05:43] <|Assassin`|> and i need the repos for it
[05:43] <dpt> didn't have to try as root
[05:43] <raylu> killermach, after using the update command, try sudo aptitude upgrade
[05:43] <dpt> it jsut worked after the package i installed
[05:43] <hitmanWilly> uhhh, why do you need to downgrade?
[05:43] <|Assassin`|> i dunno
[05:43] <dpt> weird it work differente with burned dvds and original ones
[05:43] <|Assassin`|> thats what crdlb told me to do
[05:43] <killermach> raylu: running that now
[05:43] <hitmanWilly> |Assassin`|: what exactly is the problem?
[05:44] <|Assassin`|> and xgl runs like crap
[05:44] <BluesKaj> raylu, editing the /etc/apt/sources.list in kate is simpler ..a matter of copy and paste and save
[05:44] <raylu> but you can't double click stuff :(
[05:44] <killermach> raylu: done.. all "0" 's nothing to remove or install
[05:44] <|Assassin`|> i'll have beryl on but no effects
[05:44] <Zeelot> can someone help me setup a passwordless account >_< i don't see any settings for it and leaving the password field blank doesn't work
[05:44] <|Assassin`|> because you can't maybe zeelot
[05:44] <|Assassin`|> lol
[05:44] <raylu> killermach, i suppose we should have a look at your sources. pastebin them (/etc/apt/sources.list)
[05:44] <Iwonder|too> Zeelot:  you look in control panel ?
[05:44] <raylu> Zeelot, login manager > conveniences tab
[05:44] <Zeelot> |Assassin`| then why is there an option to allow it
[05:44] <hitmanWilly> |Assassin`|: do you have beryl-manager?
[05:45] <Iwonder|too> yes its possible
[05:45] <|Assassin`|> yup
[05:45] <|Assassin`|> xgl is jumpy also
[05:45] <Zeelot> raylu thanks 1 sec
[05:45] <|Assassin`|> im not in xgl at the moment
[05:45] <hitmanWilly> |Assassin`|: try forcing beryl to use fglrx
[05:45] <|Assassin`|> how do i do that :)
[05:46] <Iwonder|too> Zeelot: k control panel,login manager,convience tab
[05:46] <raylu> |Assassin`|, right-click, advanced
[05:46] <hitmanWilly> right click on beryl manager, should be an option buried under that menu somewhere
[05:47] <lobster> anyone know what z60_bitpim.rules is or what it should cat?
[05:47] <Zeelot> raylu I have the 2 accounts selected there but when I try to login it tells me I am required by root to change password
[05:47] <dpt> god
[05:47] <dpt> now i can't open kaffeine as root
[05:47] <Iwonder|too> on righ side put a check box by the users you want to log in passwordles and check enable passwordless logins
[05:47] <|Assassin`|> there is no option there for fglrx
[05:47] <Zeelot> Iwonder|too I've done that earlier
[05:47] <raylu> Zeelot, you might try looking at the accounts and see if their passwords have expired
[05:47] <hitmanWilly> |Assassin`|: oh...thinking nvidia again
[05:47] <|Assassin`|> lol
[05:47] <raylu> isn't fglrx ati?
[05:48] <Zeelot> raylu they were just created and I did not have them expire
[05:48] <|Assassin`|> yea
[05:48] <raylu> Zeelot, nonetheless, I think you should check again
[05:48] <|Assassin`|> it needs some work
[05:48] <Iwonder|too> Zeelot: did it ask for root password when you went to it?
[05:48] <hitmanWilly> nvidia has an option in beryl to use the driver itself
[05:48] <raylu> dpt, kdesu kaffeine?
[05:48] <Zeelot> raylu ok 1 second
[05:48] <hitmanWilly> no aiglx/xgl
[05:48] <|Assassin`|> yea
[05:48] <|Assassin`|> hold on let me log into xgl
[05:49] <raylu> killermach, yt?
[05:49] <dpt> tried sudo kaffeine from console
[05:49] <Iwonder|too> alt+f2 type kdesu kaffeine in window
[05:49] <david__> Can I install gnome in Kubuntu with no problems?
[05:49] <raylu> yes. though the menus in both get uglyified
[05:50] <raylu> (assuming you install ubuntu-desktop)
[05:50] <mokkan> how do i get alsaconf?
[05:50] <david2_> YAY samba is working again...
[05:50] <Iwonder|too> or right click kaffeine,put in run dialog,advanced run as different user select root
[05:50] <david2_> wtf I did I dont know
[05:51] <Iwonder|too> mokkan type alsaconf as root in console?if not found install alsa-utils ,or similar look in adeptt
[05:52] <mokkan> alsa utils is installed... sudo doesnt seem to work
[05:52] <Zeelot> raylu account is not expired
[05:53] <mokkan> does alsasound need to be running?
[05:53] <Zeelot> raylu I just set it to expire in 600+ days, password field is blank, I logout, try to login with no password and it tells me I am required to change password
[05:53] <hitmanWilly> !find alsaconf
[05:54] <ubotu> Package/file alsaconf does not exist in feisty
[05:54] <purpleposeidon> !find alsa.conf
[05:54] <raylu> [22:48:23]  <Iwonder|too> Zeelot: did it ask for root password when you went to it?
[05:54] <ubotu> File alsa.conf found in asterisk-config, gnuradio, libasound2
[05:54] <Zeelot> to what? edit accounts?
[05:54] <hitmanWilly> alsactl maybe?
[05:54] <raylu> when you went to login, I assume
[05:54] <Zeelot> yes I go to administration mode enter password and setup all the accounts
[05:54] <Zeelot> no
[05:55] <Assassin`> xgl crashed
[05:55] <intelikey> someone teach me a little bit about using a linux box to limit internet access to other boxen on a local network please.
[05:55] <Assassin`> big time
[05:55] <mokkan> alsactl is there
[05:55] <mokkan> but what would i do with that?
[05:55] <purpleposeidon> hitmanWilly: you missed a period ^^^
[05:55] <Zeelot> it told me i had to 'change' the password, then it tells me to enter old pass, new pass, and confirm new pass. and at that screen it Fails if i leave everything blank
[05:56] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: i just go through my router...
[05:56] <lobster> intellikey: you want to set up a black list or whitelist for your firewall
[05:56] <intelikey> i have this friend who is setting up a small computer lab for these "special" studants,  and he wants to use a linux box to monitor and restrict inet access to these kids.
[05:57] <intelikey> lobster probably a whitelist first,  maybe a blacklist later on.
[05:57] <lobster> intellikey: essentially he woud set up the linux box as a router with two network cards one to the net, and one to the boxen
[05:57] <raylu> i suppose the easiest way would be to set up a proxy on the linux box and configure that
[05:57] <Zeelot> raylu any other ideas? or Iwonder|too ?
[05:57] <Iwonder|too> Zeelot: if it didn't ask for passwd when you went into login manager section,look on the bottom for adminastrator mode
[05:57] <raylu> nope, sorry
[05:57] <intelikey> lobster ok. now you're talking.
[05:58] <mokkan> ive tried mpg321 on an mp3 and i didnt get anything there either.. also reinstalled sound packages
[05:58] <mokkan> so i dunno whats up
[05:58] <raylu> Iwonder|too, I don't think it'd allow him to tick checkboxes if he wasn't in admin mode
[05:58] <Zeelot> Iwonder|too it did...
[05:58] <intelikey> two nic's one to outside one to the main hub  correct ?
[05:58] <Iwonder|too> click it it should prompt for root passwd so you can set account passwordless
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: maybe wireshark to actually monitor active connections
[05:58] <Zeelot> where do I set 'passwordless' ? how do I make the account actually passwordless
[05:59] <Iwonder|too> go to convience tab
[05:59] <Zeelot> I did that
[05:59] <purpleposeidon> squidproxy?
[05:59] <Iwonder|too> last tab in login manager section
[05:59] <Zeelot> they are listed in the allowed to be passwordless list
[05:59] <intelikey> hitmanWilly oooh not in the repos...
[05:59] <Iwonder|too> on right side it list all accounts
[05:59] <intelikey> hitmanWilly will that have to be compiled ?
[05:59] <hitmanWilly> ?...hold on
[05:59] <lobster> intellikey: then you just set up your iptables
[05:59] <Zeelot> I already did that.
[05:59] <hitmanWilly> !find wireshark
[05:59] <ubotu> Found: wireshark, wireshark-common, wireshark-dev
[06:00] <Iwonder|too> check box the ones you want,at the top check enable passwordless accounts
[06:00] <Zeelot> I already did that.
[06:00] <Iwonder|too> then you are done,restart X
[06:00] <Iwonder|too> rstart X
[06:00] <Zeelot> didn't work
[06:00] <Zeelot> did
[06:00] <Iwonder|too> not log out
[06:00] <Zeelot> i restarted the computer
[06:00] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: no, its there...maybe it hasn't been backported?
[06:00] <Iwonder|too> are you using kdm/
[06:00] <Iwonder|too> ?
[06:01] <intelikey> lobster ok,  it sounds too simple to actually work.  but i gave him the same exact "idea"   told him two nic's and iptables with port forwarding,    is that basicly it ?
[06:01] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: its mainly just a packet sniffer
[06:01] <killermach> raylu: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21383/
[06:01] <intelikey> hitmanWilly hmmm ok.  i'll check on that.   thanks.
[06:01] <hitmanWilly> np :)
[06:01] <Zeelot> yes
[06:01] <word> Could someone please take a look at my log file ( http://pastebin.ca/494021 ) it seems to indicate a nonfatal xkbcomp error...which is then followed by the server crashing....what happens is...I can run X for awhile...then x will restart. Running a graphics intensive program seems to accelerate, but not cause the issue. Anyone have any ideas?
[06:02] <Iwonder|too> Zeelot: if all else fails set there passwd as 1 or something
[06:02] <intelikey> hitmanWilly anyother good packet sniffing apps you can think of ?
[06:02] <lobster> intellikey: yeah, thats it.  check out freesco it works nice.
[06:03] <lobster> intellikey: you can set up most routers to all this for you these days...
[06:03] <_6StringKng_> so like in thunderbird, it doesn't play all of th esound clip when I receive mail, anything I can do about that?
[06:03] <intelikey> lobster k.  hmmm including the "spyware" aspect ?    excuse me, i mean "big brother" aspect ?
[06:03] <killermach> raylu: on my workstation.. starting from a 6.10 install, when it was all updated, it should 7.04 available, I just clicked upgrade and wandered off while it downloaded
[06:04] <lobster> intellikey: I don't know what you mean?  Your friend wants to keep a log?
[06:05] <intelikey> lobster yeah and be able to check at a glance what they are up to on the net
[06:06] <raylu> killermach, what version of this isn't upgrading? dapper?
[06:06] <intelikey> these are problem kids, in and out of trubble all their lives and he's going to have to be able to monitor what they do,  whether he does or not is not really important, the ability must be there.
[06:06] <lobster> intellikey: check out freesco.org.  its perfect for that.
[06:07] <intelikey> lobster k thanks.   that will at least point me in the right dirrection...
[06:07] <lobster> he can have it log and send current msgs to a tty, then he can simply log into the tty session and it will run a constant feed to him of whats going on.
[06:07] <killermach> raylu: cat /etc/issue.net shows "Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS
[06:08] <killermach> raylu: also in synaptics, if I click "ADD" in repositories, the only "channels" listed are 6.06
[06:08] <raylu> killermach, are you on ubuntu or kubuntu? sounds like ubuntu
[06:09] <lobster> intellikey: HTH
[06:09] <intelikey> hth ?
[06:09] <lobster> intellikey: happy to help.
[06:10] <killermach> raylu: on my workstation I use kde, on the laptop I started with an original ubuntu 6.01 DVD install and having gotten around to installing kubuntu-desktop yet which is why I want to upgrade now
[06:10] <intelikey> :)
[06:10] <killermach> raylu: I use synaptic in kde also tho
[06:10] <raylu> hm...I think you're missing a repository that is neccessary to upgrade your dapper...
[06:11] <raylu> on that note, you'll have to upgrade to edgy first and then feisty
[06:11] <lobster> intellikey: BTW freesco is super lightweight, if he decides to set it up, he wont need anything more than a P2, maybe not even that, 64 mgs ram, and a 5 gig disc
[06:11] <lobster> intellikey: make sure he doesn't spen more than 25-50 bucks
[06:12] <Assassin`> bash: deb: command not found
[06:12] <Assassin`> how come when i put this (deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/ edgy main-edgy main-edgy-amd64) in the terminal i get :
[06:12] <Assassin`> ^^^
[06:12] <Assassin`> switch them :)
[06:12] <lobster> intellikey: also make sure it will boot without a keyboard, so he can unplug it once it's running (in case some kid finds it, you know?)
[06:12] <killermach> raylu: I have a fiesty kubuntu CD already, do I need to do edgy 1st or can I just use the CD
[06:12] <raylu> Assassin`, in your repositories
[06:13] <intelikey> lobster heh,  i don't have a 5g disk   :)
[06:13] <Assassin`> how
[06:13] <Assassin`> :(
[06:13] <Assassin`> im new and trying to get beryl to work
[06:13] <raylu> killermach, I think you'll need edgy first, but I'm not sure
[06:13] <raylu> Assassin`, adept-manager > Adept > Manage Repositories
[06:13] <Lynoure> Has Gmail started hating anyone's Konqueror with renewed vigor? It's like there is no stylesheet for it at all
[06:14] <raylu> you could also try a hard refresh in konqueror, Lynoure
[06:14] <Lynoure> raylu: I did
[06:14] <Assassin`> thank you raylu ive been asking that question for three days now
[06:14] <raylu> o.0
[06:14] <Assassin`> and your the only one to answer me -_-
[06:14] <Assassin`> thank you
[06:14] <Lynoure> raylu: and before (last night) it worked prettily. Even tried approaching from a different url
[06:15] <innernaut> would anyone be willing to assit me with an X problem... I think it is probably simple, but I can't seem to get to the bottom of it
[06:15] <intelikey> lobster what about using a box that has ubuntu already installed on it for that work ?   it would have to be able to keep logs and this guy is not a linux power user by any standard.
[06:15] <hitmanWilly> maybe its konq then...but i doubt that
[06:15] <raylu> !ask | innernaut
[06:15] <ubotu> innernaut: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:15] <Lynoure> I'm just hoping someone who uses it to tell me if it happens to them too
[06:15] <innernaut> here is my question...
[06:16] <killermach> raylu: ok.. well this is why I didn't just go straight to fiesty.. so far I've been impressed with the updates online. and I'm in no hurry.. thank you for your time.
[06:16] <innernaut> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=447372
[06:16] <innernaut> just posted it
[06:16] <lobster> intellikey: thats why freesco is nice, because it runs very clean, off a floppy. (5gig was overkill, but I dont think smaller are around these days).
[06:17] <lobster> intellikey: if he tries to set up his as a router, he may run into lag on his system, plus if he reboots, or crashes his system, everyone else goes down to.
[06:18] <raylu> o.0
[06:18] <raylu> killermach, try kdesu update-manager -c
[06:18] <lobster> intellikey: !! 32m!
[06:19] <raylu> hm? what's that?
[06:19] <intelikey> indeed
[06:19] <hitmanWilly> wow, you should donate those to a museum or something...
[06:19] <lobster> intellikey: my phone has a larger hard drive!
[06:19] <intelikey> mfm interface
[06:19] <intelikey> of course.
[06:19] <lobster> intellikey: what is the processor?
[06:19] <innernaut> I had everything tweaked just the way I wanted...  and then upon reboot I was rendered unable to enter kde
[06:20] <intelikey> 80286
[06:20] <Assassin`> i get beryl no composite extension
[06:20] <lobster> running ubuntu?
[06:20] <Assassin`> what do you think it is hitman
[06:20] <intelikey> 640k ram
[06:20] <raylu> oh. 32MB hard drives...
[06:21] <lobster> with the math coprocessor?
[06:21] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, no idea...
[06:21] <raylu> sheesh, my phone might have more *ram* than that
[06:21] <Assassin`> lol
[06:21] <hitmanWilly> they didn't start onboard math coprocessors till the 486...
[06:21] <intelikey> mmmm no.  no npu in those days unless you paid through the nose.
[06:22] <purpleposeidon> intelikey: yes, but does it run linux?
[06:22] <hitmanWilly> 16 bit all the way...
[06:22] <intelikey> hitmanWilly 386 but who's counting
[06:22] <innernaut> !ask
[06:22] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:22] <hitmanWilly> oh that's right, the dx's had the coprocessor
[06:22] <intelikey> purpleposeidon it doesn't even run win3.0
[06:23] <lobster> didint the 286 have an addon chip, and then the 386 you could get it as an addon or on the chip, no?
[06:23] <purpleposeidon> win3 < tomsrtbt?
[06:23] <purpleposeidon> of course, you might just need several floppies. :)
[06:23] <Zeelot> another question ^_^ I cant see where to load kdm themes...I installed kdmtheme but dont know how to run the app
[06:23] <raylu> Zeelot, you could always just alt+f2 and type kdmtheme
[06:24] <intelikey> lobster yes.   but the addon chips were high for the 286's
[06:24] <Zeelot> is there a gui somewhere?
[06:24] <raylu> that has a good 90% chance of working
[06:24] <lobster> intelikey: I have a copy of windows 1.0 if you want a gui for that bad boy...
[06:24] <intelikey> 80287's were as high as a new amd processor now.,
[06:24] <raylu> lobster, what could I install that on?
[06:25] <intelikey> lobster it needed 1m of ram didn't it ?
[06:25] <lobster> Unknown.
[06:25] <Zeelot> raylu unknown command
[06:25] <raylu> you don't have win1.0 installed on anything?
[06:25] <raylu> Zeelot, darn :(
[06:25] <lobster> I had 3.0 running on 8 megs
[06:25] <raylu> what gives?
[06:25] <raylu> [23:25:41]  <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdmtheme - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:25] <raylu> [23:25:45]  <raylu> find kdmtheme
[06:25] <raylu> [23:25:46]  <ubotu> Found: kdmtheme
[06:26] <mokkan> im getting a /dev/dsp Device or resource busy
[06:26] <mokkan> now
[06:26] <lobster> ralyu, nope never tried.
[06:26] <raylu> lobster, you should. it'd be the coolest thing ever
[06:26] <lobster> ralyu: I suppose I could sandbox it in vm
[06:27] <lobster> but there no network support.  Midnight Commander was better than 1.0
[06:27] <lobster> it's smaller than notepad, bytewise
[06:27] <raylu> Zeelot, Kmenu > System Settings > Appearance > KDM Theme Manager
[06:27] <mokkan> any ideas?
[06:28] <intelikey> actually i'm kinda proud of those two tandy 1000xt 286's   they both work as well as brand new, one is in pretty good cosmetic shape  and both have the origenal tandy kbd's joysticks and monitors   even the old 320k 5.25" & 720k 3.5" floppy drives work well.
[06:29] <innernaut> I have spent about 12 hours searching for a solution to this problem and get nothing but dead ends. I just installed Kubuntu Feisty. I upgraded my video card to an Nvidia GeForce 7600 GS, and KDE was running great. I installed Beryl, and it was working great. After installing and configuring the majority of the packages I use (they worked) I tweaked environment settings (themes, transparency) etc, in both beryl and in KDE and rebooted.
[06:29] <innernaut> Now I cannot login to kde under my user account, or any other user account but root. I have tried reconfiguring x settings in xorg.conf but nothing helps and I have reverted back to my original working configuration. For a while my .Xauthority permissions were bad, but giving them the appropriate permissions, user, and group do not fix it. The only error I get upon running startx from tty1 is:
[06:29] <innernaut> waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc/" refcount is 2, should be 1: fixing.
[06:29] <innernaut> Any help would be greatly appreciated. Everything was set up perfectly before I rebooted and I really do not want to reinstall.
[06:29] <intelikey> i even have disks for them.
[06:29] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: nothing like the classics, eh
[06:30] <lobster> intelikey: ooh.  HGTTG.  I just found a JAVA version the other day.
[06:30] <intelikey> those computers are older than a lot of linux users...
[06:30] <intelikey> :)
[06:30] <hitmanWilly> not this one :)
[06:31] <raylu> innernaut, you should show them your .xsession-errors
[06:31] <Zeelot> raylu ...thanks but there is no "Administrator Mode" button in there....wtf
[06:31] <raylu> Zeelot, they also mentioned that. use kcontrol (alt+f2)
[06:31] <Zeelot> so I cannot install themes or edit anything
[06:32] <Zeelot> alright
[06:32] <mokkan> well i guess i just reinstall kubuntu then
[06:32] <lobster> mokkan: sorry what is going on?
[06:32] <mokkan> sound spontaneously stopped working
[06:32] <lobster> how?
[06:32] <mokkan> modules are loaded, ive checked the mixer, tried reinstalling sound stuff
[06:33] <mokkan> i dunno how, it just stopped
[06:33] <mokkan> i think it was after i rebooted awhile ago
[06:33] <raylu> innernaut, show your .xsession-errors?
[06:33] <lobster> you didn't see^h^h^h hear it?
[06:34] <mokkan> nope, i dont know exactly when it started :\ i just remember noticing that it wasnt working
[06:34] <lobster> what is the sound card?
[06:34] <lobster> anyone familiar with udev?
[06:34] <mokkan> its an nforce onboard chip, uses intel hda driver
[06:34] <mokkan> same as my desktop, which runs gentoo
[06:34] <lobster> 5.1 surround sound?
[06:35] <mokkan> i think so yeah
[06:35] <lobster> digital output or analog?
[06:35] <mokkan> how would i find out?
[06:35] <mokkan> okay, its conexant hd audio
[06:35] <mokkan> venice chip
[06:35] <lobster> what type of speakers are you using?
[06:35] <mokkan> its a lappy
[06:36] <lobster> I see
[06:36] <lobster> dual booting?
[06:36] <innernaut> raylu:
[06:36] <innernaut> cat /home/innernaut/.xsession-errors
[06:36] <innernaut> Xsession: X session started for innernaut at Fri May 18 00:32:20 EDT 2007
[06:36] <innernaut> open: Permission denied
[06:36] <mokkan> yeah, with vista
[06:36] <mokkan> it was after i tested to see if vista works.. maybe theres a connection?
[06:36] <lobster> and in vista sound works?
[06:36] <mokkan> yep
[06:36] <mokkan> just tried it about 5 minutes ago
[06:36] <raylu> innernaut, i've seen it; i just wanted you to show the channel. I have no idea, though :P
[06:36] <lobster> did you try the test sound button in system settings?
[06:37] <lobster> mokkan: sorry have to start with the basics, you know how it is.
[06:37] <mokkan> yeah, heh
[06:37] <mokkan> umm
[06:37] <mokkan> yeah
[06:37] <mokkan> ive tried it with like every configuration you can have
[06:37] <mokkan> autodetect, oss, alsa..
[06:37] <mokkan> esd
[06:38] <lobster> mokkan: ok that lets go back and reset that to it's defaults:
[06:38] <intelikey> innernaut sudo chown `whoami` -R ~/.??*        might help.
[06:38] <mokkan> ok just a sec
[06:39] <lobster> mokkan: hardware tab should be: autodetect, Full duplex, custom 44100 hz, 16 bits,
[06:40] <Zeelot> raylu kcontrol has no kdm theme manager o.O
[06:40] <mokkan> lobster, okay set it
[06:40] <lobster> mokkan: overide device, other custom and midi should be unchecked
[06:41] <lobster> makkan hit apply, and it should restart the sound system
[06:41] <lobster> ^^ s/makkan/mokkan
[06:41] <Zeelot> raylu nevermind found it! sorry >_>
[06:41] <intelikey> innernaut from a console login   ^   then startx     see if anything changes
[06:41] <mokkan> lobster, ok did it
[06:41] <intelikey> ooops lag does that to me.
[06:41] <mokkan> still no sound :\
[06:41] <lobster> mokkan: did the restart go ok?  if so try the test button
[06:42] <mokkan> yeah, not workin :\
[06:42] <lobster> mokkan ok right click on the speaker icon on you taskbar
[06:42] <innernaut> still no permission
[06:42] <lobster> mokkan: select mixer window
[06:42] <mokkan> show mixer?
[06:42] <mokkan> ok
[06:42] <genii> mokkan Did you open kmix and unmute any PCM devices already?
[06:42] <lobster> yup
[06:43] <lobster> what is your current mixer?
[06:43] <mokkan> yeah, theres only 4 things there
[06:43] <mokkan> Master, PCM, Ext Mic, Int Mic
[06:43] <mokkan> and theyre all set
[06:43] <mokkan> unmuted
[06:43] <lobster> are they turned up?
[06:43] <intelikey> innernaut as root.   useradd guest       then try login as guest and startx
[06:43] <mokkan> yep
[06:44] <lobster> what is your current mixer?
[06:44] <intelikey> innernaut i'm still thinking it's in your home
[06:44] <innernaut> intelikey: I have tried this... it doesn't work.
[06:44] <lobster> for example mine says CA0106
[06:44] <innernaut> intelikey:  except the user was called "dog" instead of "guest" :)
[06:44] <mokkan> HDA Nvidia
[06:44] <intelikey> innernaut the new user can't startx ?
[06:44] <lobster> ok, click on switches
[06:44] <mokkan> mmk
[06:45] <lobster> and tell me what you have
[06:45] <mokkan> i have LinIn, IEC958, and IntMic
[06:46] <mokkan> the last two are activated
[06:46] <lobster> is IEC958 activated? unactivate it
[06:46] <innernaut> intelikey: no... only root can startx x
[06:46] <mokkan> okay, unactivated it
[06:46] <lobster> and then try the test sound button again
[06:46] <genii> innernaut did you at some time start x as root or in su as root when sitting in the dir /home/innernaut ?
[06:46] <mokkan> still nothing :\
[06:46] <innernaut> genii:  I don't recall having done so, but I wouldn't say it is not a possiblity
[06:47] <lobster> hrm ok momento.
[06:47] <intelikey> innernaut ok,  that precludes it being local,   so it's system error then.     that means it's probably in /etc/X11  or /dev    /dev because the devicenodes are created at boot time by udev    or  /etc/X11 because  what ever you 'tweek' probably writes in there.    i'm not familear with beryl so i can't speek on that account.
[06:47] <innernaut> genii:  in fact... it is probably..
[06:47] <genii> innernaut If so then all the files relating to it got owned by root. You can change them back by sudo chown -R innernaut:innernaut /home/innernaut              (assuming the user and group are correct)
[06:48] <nbcb> i've got a tvcard how do i scan for television channels?
[06:48] <innernaut> intelikey:  I didn't have beryl loading by itself... only when I manually started it... so I don't think it is that...  what should I do to fix the x11 or /dev?
[06:48] <intelikey> genii not relevent if a newly created user can't run X
[06:49] <intelikey> genii and i had him own his home...
[06:49] <genii> intelikey Ah, Ok :) Missed that part
[06:49] <innernaut> genii:  so perform the chown in the X11 dir?
[06:49] <genii> innernaut No, please don't do that!
[06:49] <intelikey> innernaut first look in  /var/log/messages   and /var/log/Xorg.*
[06:49] <innernaut> genii: okay... in my home dir?
[06:50] <genii> innernaut intelikey says he already had you do this step, so don't worry about ti
[06:50] <innernaut> intellikey:  nothing is in Xorg... when doing grep EE
[06:50] <intelikey> innernaut only if you want to reinstall do you own system dirs.....
[06:50] <lobster> mokkan: do hadphones work?
[06:51] <genii> intelikey did you have him also do chown .* of all the home dir stuff?
[06:51] <mokkan> lobster, just a sec ill try
[06:51] <intelikey> innernaut dont grep    less it
[06:51] <mokkan> nothing
[06:51] <genii> intelikey eg: .xsession   etc etc
[06:51] <mokkan> :\
[06:51] <innernaut> intelikey: what should i be looking for in messages
[06:51] <intelikey> genii     " sudo chown `whoami` -R ~/.??*  "  <<<< that
[06:52] <intelikey> anything related to the graphics card
[06:52] <kyah> skreech where u at
[06:52] <innernaut> intelikey ok
[06:52] <lobster> mokkan: what type of laptop, BTW?
[06:53] <mokkan> hp pavilion 2000z
[06:53] <intelikey> innernaut you can also test    X    and see if the problem is with the server or the DE
[06:54] <nbcb> Failed to fetch http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/stable/non-US/source/Sources  404 Not Found
[06:54] <nbcb> why huh
[06:54] <innernaut> I did test X... it works fine...
[06:54] <intelikey> if users can run      X    but not startx  then it's not a device problem
[06:54] <intelikey> genii :)
[06:54] <innernaut> intelikey: so it is something with X11?
[06:55] <intelikey> innernaut something in  /etc/X11/   is the most likely answer
[06:55] <lobster> intellikey: and you reinstalled the nvidia drivers?
[06:55] <nbcb> what is the problem
[06:56] <innernaut> I can't boot into X... but my video drivers are fine...
[06:56] <innernaut> I think*...  root can still use beryl
[06:56] <nbcb> u can manually start x
[06:56] <nbcb> ?
[06:56] <lobster> nbcb: bad url formation
[06:56] <innernaut> yep
[06:56] <mokkan> well i can afford to reinstall, thanks for the help though lobster
[06:56] <mokkan> this is a nearly clean install as it is, heh
[06:57] <innernaut> but can't "startx" with any user but root
[06:57] <nbcb> happened to me before..hm
[06:57] <lobster> mokkan: it wont help, I am afraid.
[06:57] <nbcb> its the start up script?
[06:57] <nbcb> ooo
[06:57] <innernaut> fyi:  I installed this system yesterday clean...
[06:57] <mokkan> lobster, my sound was at one point working, though
[06:57] <intelikey> innernaut you can  ls -lR  /etc/X11 | less      and look for anything that looks suspicious   -wrx------ blah blah blah....
[06:57] <lobster> mokkan: try one more thing please
[06:57] <nbcb> i remember....i reinstalled kde and it works
[06:57] <mokkan> yeah?
[06:57] <nbcb> hehe
[06:57] <genii> nbcb Those last 2 directories do not exist on that web site
[06:57] <lobster> mokkan: can you suspend your system to ram and then revive it?
[06:57] <intelikey> oooops.   -rwx------   my bad
[06:58] <lobster> mokkan: what type of laptop BTW?
[06:58] <mokkan> how do i do that?
[06:58] <nbcb> 2.4.20-xfs is my kernel..oooo what a old one
[06:58] <mokkan> hp pavilion dv 2000z
[06:58] <genii> nbcb only contrib main and non-free exist in dir non-us
[06:58] <innernaut> intelikey:  would tyhis be strange?
[06:58] <innernaut> rwxrwxrwx 1 root root    13 May 15 23:51 X -> /usr/bin/Xorg
[06:58] <innernaut> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 Apr 17 01:21 Xresources
[06:58] <innernaut> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  3911 Aug  7  2006 Xsession
[06:58] <innernaut> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 Apr 17 01:31 Xsession.d
[06:58] <innernaut> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   234 Aug  7  2006 Xsession.options
[06:58] <innernaut> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    13 Sep 11  2006 XvMCConfig
[06:58] <innernaut> -rw------- 1 root root   614 May 17 05:10 Xwrapper.config
[06:58] <intelikey> "<lobster> intellikey: and you reinstalled the nvidia drivers?"  ???
[06:59] <lobster> nbcb no source folders
[06:59] <intelikey> innernaut probably   <innernaut> -rw------- 1 root root   614 May 17 05:10 Xwrapper.config
[06:59] <intelikey> users can't access that.
[06:59] <innernaut> chmod 755?
[07:00] <nbcb> deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free
[07:00] <intelikey> no
[07:00] <nbcb> so i should change this?
[07:00] <lobster> mokkan: just hibernate it
[07:00] <intelikey> innernaut that permission matches mine.  -rw-------  1 root root   614 May  3 13:48 Xwrapper.config
[07:00] <intelikey> keep looking
[07:00] <lobster> then revive
[07:00] <innernaut> k
[07:01] <mokkan> lobster, it did a bunch of things
[07:01] <lobster> nbcb: that isn't the URL you posted a problem with
[07:01] <mokkan> then it turned off
[07:01] <mokkan> hm
[07:01] <lobster> mokkan?
[07:01] <lobster> hibernate did?
[07:01] <mokkan> yeah
[07:01] <mokkan> i did it twice
[07:01] <nbcb> deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US
[07:01] <mokkan> actually no i didnt
[07:01] <nbcb> ohhh hoho
[07:01] <mokkan> i hibernated and revived
[07:01] <mokkan> then i clicked on kmenu and it went to a console
[07:01] <lobster> I see.
[07:01] <mokkan> a tty
[07:02] <nbcb> is that site outdated?
[07:02] <mokkan> with a bunch of things about usbdev being suspended
[07:02] <mokkan> then it shut down
[07:02] <innernaut> intelikey: how about this
[07:02] <innernaut> /etc/X11/xinit:
[07:02] <innernaut> total 8
[07:02] <innernaut> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 224 Aug  7  2006 xinitrc
[07:02] <innernaut> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  53 Aug  7  2006 xserverrc
[07:02] <lobster> mokkan: it's a bug I'm afraid
[07:02] <mokkan> the sound popped too
[07:02] <lobster> mokkan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/108392
[07:03] <lobster> mokkan: acpi issues.  I'll research more if you like.
[07:03] <mokkan> that would be great
[07:03] <mokkan> if i built my own kernel would that be fixed?
[07:03] <mokkan> i do have a gentoo background, so
[07:03] <lobster> unknown
[07:03] <intelikey> innernaut looks right.
[07:04] <innernaut> intelikey:  hmm...  I don't see anythign that stands out... but I am not very experienced with linux yet...  I have run it for over a year...  but nothing is really "standing out"
[07:05] <intelikey> innernaut ls -l /usr/bin/X*      could be the suid bit missing
[07:05] <lobster> nbcb: read> http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/README.non-US
[07:05] <lobster> mokkan: alright momento
[07:05] <innernaut> -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root    9640 Apr  2 11:47 /usr/bin/X
[07:05] <innernaut> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       1 May 15 23:52 /usr/bin/X11 -> .
[07:05] <innernaut> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1766656 Apr  4 05:02 /usr/bin/Xorg
[07:06] <nbcb> what does it say when u startx with user?
[07:06] <intelikey> no it's suid sgid    hmmmm
[07:07] <mokkan> is building your own ubuntu kernel even a viable option?
[07:07] <intelikey> nbcb he says permission denied    even on a new user account    and  X  will run for user    startx will run for root only.
[07:07] <raylu>  viable? yes. easy? not really. worth it? probably not
[07:07] <brian_> hey
[07:08] <innernaut> hi :)
[07:08] <brian_> i have gnome installed but i want to stick with my KDE how can i get rid of gnome?
[07:08] <intelikey> innernaut i don't know what's fizzeling on you ?
[07:08] <raylu> brian_, aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop
[07:08] <lobster> mokkan: yes, but it may not do anything.  you might try blacklisting you acpi modules to see if they are the cause,...
[07:09] <lobster> did you read that link I sent?
[07:09] <intelikey> innernaut /join #xorg   and explain as concisely as possable what's happening and what you've tried.   i'm out of aces...
[07:09] <mokkan> umm, i started to
[07:09] <innernaut> intellikey:  well thank you very much.  I really appreciate your help with this.
[07:09] <nbcb> ah.. permission denied even running startx .. is the file +x under groups or all?
[07:09] <nbcb> i mean the script startx
[07:09] <mokkan> sounds like the same problem im having
[07:10] <brian_> what does the sudo command exaclty do
[07:10] <innernaut> where is the script startx at?
[07:10] <nbcb> type whereis startx
[07:10] <raylu> !sudo
[07:10] <lobster> mokkan: it describes it in good detail with possible causes and various mysteries...
[07:10] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:10] <nbcb> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3.8K 2006-08-08 03:01 /usr/bin/startx
[07:10] <nbcb> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3.8K 2006-08-08 03:01 /usr/bin/X11/startx
[07:10] <genii> brian_: First make sure you are not using gdm as your login manager. Then you can uninstall all the gnome ubuntu stuff by     sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[07:10] <innernaut> I have 3: startx: /usr/bin/startx /usr/X11R6/bin/startx /usr/bin/X11/startx /usr/share/man/man1/startx.1x.gz
[07:11] <innernaut> actually 2
[07:11] <mokkan> lobster, would getting a newer kernel help?
[07:11] <nbcb> innernaut: yeah me too.. type "ls -lh /usr/bin/X11/startx"
[07:11] <intelikey> three of those are the same file....
[07:11] <brian_> alright genii im in kde no
[07:11] <nbcb> ah got to go soon
[07:11] <innernaut> rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3.8K Aug  7  2006 /usr/bin/X11/startx
[07:11] <innernaut> permissions for user...
[07:12] <innernaut> everyone
[07:12] <innernaut> i mean
[07:12] <nbcb> its right...... so i think i did't help u
[07:12] <nbcb> hehe
[07:12] <nbcb> brb
[07:12] <lobster> mokkan: ok. This suggests updating to the rc4 version of the alsa drivers:
[07:12] <BWolf85> woo name change
[07:12] <Ryiel> Guys, I just installed Kubuntu, kaffeine cannot scan for satelite channels. If i click on the scan button nothing happens. I have skystar2 dvb card and its recongnized by kubuntu.
[07:12] <Ryiel> any idea?
[07:13] <lobster> mokkan: I don't think the kernel will help, it's a module issue anyway, so just update the module and go from there...
[07:13] <genii> Jucato Well, coffee helps :)
[07:13] <lobster> mokkan: are you 64bit?
[07:13] <mokkan> yeah
[07:13] <mokkan> so how do i fix that?
[07:13] <mokkan> btw
[07:13] <intelikey> innernaut i'm not giving up on you.   but do    /join #xorg      and explain as concisely as possable what's happening and what you've tried.   i'm out of aces and trump cards are scarse so i'll have to think a while...  maybe someone in there can/will fix it in the mean time
[07:13] <mokkan> i tried unplugging?
[07:13] <mokkan> and it worked
[07:13] <lobster> hey who do I have to kill to register my name around here?
[07:13] <mokkan> the sound works off the battery just fine
[07:13] <genii> !register | lobster
[07:14] <ubotu> lobster: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[07:14] <lobster> mokkan: yup ACPI
[07:14] <mokkan> so that sucks
[07:14] <lobster> mokkan: updating the alsa drivers may do it.
[07:14] <raylu> lobster, /ns info lobster
[07:15] <mokkan> how would i do that though?
[07:15] <innernaut> intelikey:  thank you... attempting xorg
[07:15] <genii> mokkan Your sound works when running from batter but not from wall plug?
[07:15] <mokkan> yeah
[07:15] <genii> batter=battery (spe)
[07:15] <mokkan> its weird shiz
[07:15] <raylu> wtf...now that is messed up