[18:21] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:07] <ibeardslee> this might be an opportune moment to restart
[20:09] <ibeardslee> ain't technology great? I can update and reboot my home machine from work
[20:10] <ibeardslee> one of those wonders
[20:21] <ajmitch> morning
[20:21]  * ajmitch frequently accesses his home machine from work, it's rather useful
[21:06]  * ojwb does to, but I work and home are the same place
[21:06] <ojwb> s/I/my
[21:06] <ibeardslee> heh
[21:16]  * ajmitch should probably do something useful today
[22:11] <ibeardslee> running an Lucid to Precise upgrade in a VM
[22:12] <ibeardslee> some software requires a python module supported only by python 2.7
[22:14] <ajmitch> that's a pain
[22:15] <ajmitch> I know there were plans for backporting 2.7 to lucid in a PPA, at least
[22:16]  * ajmitch is running precise on his laptop now, seems to be working alright
[22:17] <ibeardslee> oh .. maybe I should go looking for that as an alternative
[22:18] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/~fkrull/+archive/deadsnakes?field.series_filter=lucid
[22:19] <ajmitch> I don't think it has all the backported nice bits to make all your installed packages available for 2.7, but you can at least get the main python2.7 package
[22:21] <ibeardslee> also .. https://launchpad.net/~pythoneers/+archive/lts
[22:21] <ajmitch> yeah, just found that one
[22:22] <ibeardslee> but also looks a bit sparse on the modules I need
[22:22] <ajmitch> I'd probably use that instead, you can install the other modules you need with pip or easy_install
[22:22] <ajmitch> or you backport packages
[22:23] <ibeardslee> probably just use the pip or easy_install rather than backport packages
[22:24] <ajmitch> especially if you setup a virtualenv environment
[22:24] <ibeardslee> at this point it is a bit of 'yay' for targeting a production system using a dev version of software on a alpha OS
[22:26] <ajmitch> heh
[22:26] <ajmitch> chroot time?
[22:29] <ibeardslee> nah .. just heaps of VMs testing and thrashing things
[22:30] <ibeardslee> we are still working through making sure OpenERP will actually do the job for us
[22:32] <ibeardslee> 6.1 has slipped a number of times, so it's at the funny point where we are seeing if the version coming (6.1) will do the job for us, but there are bugs and on going development with that .. and now looks like may need to throw some non-standard installs (pre-release Ubuntu or PPA) into the mix
[22:32] <ajmitch> that sounds messy at best
[22:43] <ajmitch> almost time to go & meet friends for a barbeque lunch, such a shame I'm not working this week :)
[22:49] <ibeardslee> I got a couple of weeks off in .au after LCA
[22:49] <ajmitch> that's pretty good


[19:11] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-driver-410 cosmic
[19:12] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-driver-496 cosmic
[19:12] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-driver-390 cosmic
[19:19] <gpunk> 410 is in a ppa Bashing-om
[19:26] <Bashing-om> gpunk: Thanks was but verifying that we had to get that driver from our PPA .
[19:28] <gpunk> it runs well for me , fyi
[19:29] <Bashing-om> gpunk: Good to know .. have a poster on a new install .. and going to try the 4.10 - as recommended by Nvidia - driver .


[05:22] <basilarchia> boo. what has happened on our fonts. Do we as linux developers not love our fonts anymore?
[05:23] <basilarchia> the list and selection of fonts is terrible in the current version of ubuntu-mate. I don't know if it's a GIMP display interface issue, how the gimp now works, some weird packages that got installed or just how ubuntu works in general at this point.
[05:24] <basilarchia> There were some great free fonts a few years ago, the names escape me but they all seem to be gone now. I can't imagine what reason they would be removed
[05:25] <basilarchia> some really good designers went out of their way to specifically make free fonts for us IMHO
[05:27] <basilarchia> I suppose it's some sort of backward compatability error that will have to fixed or backported
[05:27] <basilarchia> side ported might be a better way to say it rather than "back" ported
[05:27] <basilarchia> unforked
[05:28] <basilarchia> No user needs to be presented with 8 million "Noto Serif" font names
[05:28] <basilarchia> that's not how that should work ever
[16:29] <gerard> bonsoir
[16:29] <gerard> je n'utilise pas très souvent ce mode d'échange, soyez indulgent; merci !!!
[16:32] <gerard> situation inedite, firefox plante dés son lancement !!!
[17:23] <latitude> Hello all I need help freeing up space on in /boot can anyone help me out
[17:25] <diogenes_> latitude, remove old kernels
[17:25] <latitude> ok How do I do that I'm new to linux
[17:26] <latitude> I can't see /root from the terminal
[17:26] <diogenes_> ok why do you need that in the first place?
[17:27] <latitude> I keep getting warning that I have 0 space in /boot and it prevents me from updating and installing new software
[17:28] <diogenes_> ok first open terminal and run: lsblk
[17:28] <latitude> ok brb
[17:28] <latitude> Ok i did
[17:28] <basilarchia> or paste the output from 'df -h'
[17:29] <diogenes_> latitude, whatever you get copy and then go here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[17:29] <diogenes_> paste the output in there click paste ad share the link here
[17:29] <latitude> ok let you know when done thank you
[17:30] <latitude> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26043042/
[17:32] <diogenes_> in the same fashion you share here the output of the command given by basilarchia
[17:32] <latitude> ok
[17:33] <latitude> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26043059/
[17:34] <diogenes_> and the optput of: uname -r
[17:34] <diogenes_> and the output of ls /boot
[17:37] <latitude> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26043083/
[17:37] <diogenes_> and the other one?
[17:37] <latitude> both are in the same one
[17:37] <diogenes_> oh ok they are both here
[17:39] <diogenes_> are you sure the ls /boot is the entire output? because I don't see initrd.img-4.4.0-66-generi
[17:40] <latitude> I will run again and check
[17:40] <diogenes_> ok
[17:41] <latitude> I ran it twice more and there is not line like that
[17:41] <diogenes_> hmm strange ok now you have to run gksu namo /boot
[17:42] <diogenes_> or wait
[17:42] <diogenes_> I dn't know what is the file manager in mate
[17:42] <diogenes_> what is the file manager called?
[17:42] <latitude> not sure let me check
[17:45] <latitude> caja
[17:45] <latitude> ??
[17:45] <diogenes_> ok
[17:45] <diogenes_> run: gksu caja /boot
[17:45] <latitude> thats what google said
[17:46] <basilarchia> weird. ya, this shit should never happen
[17:46] <basilarchia> apt should be smart enough to remove the old kernels
[17:47] <diogenes_> latitude, did you run?
[17:47] <basilarchia> dpkg -l |grep linux-image
[17:47] <latitude> Its running now
[17:47] <diogenes_> basilarchia, is there an apt command that does this?
[17:47] <basilarchia> then just remove some of your kernel packages
[17:47] <basilarchia> well, it should be automatic in this case, but this is a weird case
[17:48] <diogenes_> yes but let not leave him remove anything on his own because he is a newbie
[17:48] <basilarchia> did you specifically create a 500MB /boot partition for some reason or did the ubuntu-mate installer do that?
[17:48] <latitude> I really can't remember
[17:49] <diogenes_> latitude, did my command opened the caja?
[17:50] <latitude> I got a bunch or messages and warning
[17:50] <latitude> you want me to paste like before
[17:50] <diogenes_> no
[17:51] <diogenes_> press ctrl+c
[17:51] <diogenes_> and wait a bit I'm preparing a paste for you
[17:51] <latitude> it stopped running already
[17:53] <diogenes_> latitude, meanwhile you run in terminal: sudo apt install gksu
[17:54] <latitude> i ran it somethings didn't install
[17:55] <diogenes_> why it didn't install?
[17:55] <latitude> it said gksu is already the newest version
[17:55] <diogenes_> ok then wait I'm finishing the file for you
[17:55] <latitude> ok thank you
[17:57] <diogenes_> latitude, run: gksu caja
[17:57] <diogenes_> it should open the file manager
[17:57] <diogenes_> you gonna have to enter your password
[17:58] <latitude> ok its open
[17:58] <diogenes_> go to your /boot directory
[17:59] <latitude> ok there
[17:59] <diogenes_> latitude, open this link in your browser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26043209/
[18:00] <latitude> ok
[18:01] <latitude> i have opened it
[18:01] <diogenes_> now extremely careful
[18:01] <diogenes_> remove ONLY the files listed in the given link
[18:01] <diogenes_> don't touch the files that end in -66 -57 and -93
[18:01] <latitude> copy
[18:02] <diogenes_> remove the files in your /boot directory the files I've mentioned in the link
[18:02] <diogenes_> right click and remove
[18:03] <diogenes_> remember only the ones given in the link, double check before removing, otherwise you might end up with a broken system
[18:06] <latitude> ok I notice that -47 are removed from all except initrd.img-4.4.0
[18:07] <diogenes_> ok now run: ls /boot
[18:07] <diogenes_> and share the link here
[18:07] <latitude> ok not finished yet lol
[18:07] <diogenes_> ok when you finish
[18:09] <latitude> should i remove initrd.img-4.4.0-47-generic??
[18:10] <diogenes_> is it listed there? in my link?
[18:10] <latitude> no
[18:10] <diogenes_> ok remove it anyway
[18:11] <latitude> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26043326/
[18:12] <latitude> brb I have to take the dogs out..lol
[18:12] <diogenes_> ok good now you can update
[18:12] <diogenes_> it should be ok
[18:17] <latitude> ok thank you
[18:18] <latitude> where those old kernals??
[18:31] <latitude> Have a full /boot can someone help me free this up. I can't update
[18:38] <alkisg> latitude: dpkg -l '*linux*' | grep ^ii | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:40] <alkisg> latitude: this will show you the packages. Copy the names of 2-3 that you want to remove, and type sudo dpkg --purge linux-blablaversiongoeshere
[18:41] <alkisg> dpkg will free up space, so then you can resume working with apt
[18:41] <latitude> alkisg I manually removed old kernels.. I think they where
[18:41] <latitude> what is the command again
[18:41] <alkisg> (08:38:31 μμ) alkisg: latitude: dpkg -l '*linux*' | grep ^ii | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:43] <latitude> ok its running?
[18:43] <alkisg> latitude: paste the output here, e.g. termbin.com/qwer
[18:45] <latitude> do I include the termbin.com 9999 at the end....Noting seams to be happening
[18:45] <alkisg> You misstyped something. Anyway, just type dpkg -l '*linux*'
[18:45] <alkisg> And put the result to paste.ubuntu.com
[18:46] <latitude> diogenes_ still not enough free space
[18:46] <diogenes_> latitude, did u reboot?
[18:46] <latitude> yeah
[18:47] <latitude> Well I restarted
[18:48] <diogenes_> latitude, again: df -h
[18:49] <latitude> Here is the result   https://paste.ubuntu.com/26043548/
[18:49] <alkisg> latitude: what about my command? dpkg -l '*linux*'
[18:50] <latitude> I will paste the link
[18:51] <latitude> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26043563/
[18:52] <alkisg> This is not the command I asked
[18:53] <alkisg> Use copy/paste
[18:53] <latitude> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26043571/
[18:53] <latitude> try that
[18:55] <alkisg> Yes, you have tens of linux packages there
[18:55] <alkisg> bb in 20'...
[18:56] <latitude> ok thank you
[18:56] <diogenes_> latitude, you didn't have to make a separate /boot partition
[18:57] <latitude> it was my first install of ANY linux OS
[18:58] <diogenes_> let's see this first: sudo apt autoremove
[18:58] <latitude> Is there a way to remove it with out reformatting the entire drive
[18:59] <latitude> got an error
[19:00] <diogenes_> what error?
[19:00] <latitude> the fallowing packages have unmet dependencies:
[19:01] <diogenes_> try: sudo apt autoremove -f
[19:01] <alkisg> apt doesn't work at this point
[19:01] <alkisg> dpkg is needed to force remove enough space from /boot first
[19:01] <alkisg> latitude: retry my previous command with the termbin
[19:04] <diogenes_> latitude, let's try this: sudo apt remove linux-image-4.4.0-21.37
[19:04] <diogenes_> see what you get
[19:06] <latitude> i ran the apt autoremove -f
[19:06] <latitude> think it worked
[19:06] <diogenes_> did you notice what packages were removed?
[19:07] <latitude> will I have to reboot to see the free space
[19:07] <diogenes_> no
[19:07] <latitude> I ran df -h and /boot is still at 100%
[19:07] <diogenes_> did you run: sudo apt remove linux-image-4.4.0-21
[19:08] <latitude> not yet i will now
[19:08] <alkisg> latitude: dpkg -l '*linux*' | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:08] <diogenes_> alkisg, this is the output: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26043571/
[19:08] <alkisg> diogenes_: this is cut
[19:08] <alkisg> If you use termbin, it won't be cut
[19:08] <diogenes_> ok
[19:09] <latitude> that wasn't installed noting to remove
[19:10] <alkisg> copy/paste this: dpkg -l '*linux*' | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:10] <latitude> I did
[19:10] <latitude> I get http://termbin.com/iq05
[19:11] <alkisg> nice
[19:11] <alkisg> go there
[19:11] <latitude> o ther
[19:11] <latitude> there
[19:11] <latitude> brb
[19:11] <alkisg> now use this command: sudo dpkg --purge linux-image-4.4.0-21-generic
[19:11] <alkisg> And use it again for all those packages, except for the 2 latest
[19:12] <alkisg> You can see the package names from that url, http://termbin.com/iq05
[19:14] <latitude> I get an error: dependency prevents removal
[19:15] <diogenes_> latitude, runningwhich command you get the error?
[19:16] <latitude> now use this command: sudo dpkg --purge linux-image-4.4.0-21-generic
[19:16] <diogenes_> ok try adding -f at the end
[19:20] <latitude> -f gives an error: unknown force refuse
[19:21] <diogenes_> ok then try: sudo apt remove linux-image-4.4.0-21-generic -f
[19:22] <latitude> The fallowing packages have unmet dependency
[19:23] <latitude> another error
[19:23] <diogenes_> this: sudo apt remove linux-headers-4.4.0-28-generic -f
[19:24] <latitude> still get error unmet dependencies
[19:25] <alkisg> sudo dpkg --purge --force-all linux-image-4.4.0-21-generic
[19:27] <latitude> looks like that worked: @alkisg
[19:27] <alkisg> continue with all the other linux-images
[19:27] <alkisg> exceptfor the last 2 ones
[19:27] <latitude> do I need to do that for all in that list
[19:29] <diogenes_> latitude, except the ones that end in -66 -93
[19:29] <latitude> Ok @diogenes
[19:29] <latitude> I have on that is -101
[19:30] <latitude> will that remove the headers and extra...too??
[19:31] <diogenes_> latitude, first remove these ones
[19:31] <alkisg> latitude: no, but you can remove headers later when apt works
[19:31] <latitude> ok
[19:31] <alkisg> You can also include multiple names in one line
[19:31] <alkisg> dpkg --purge etc linux1 linu2 linux3...
[19:31] <alkisg> So that you don't wait a lot
[19:31] <latitude> ok I will try that
[19:33] <alkisg> latitude: open another terminal, and type: uname -r
[19:33] <alkisg> This is the name of the kernel that you're using now
[19:33] <alkisg> Don't remove that one
[19:34] <latitude> I can remove ever other one except that one right?
[19:39] <latitude> what is the command to check what I purged
[19:40] <latitude> it has freed up some space already
[19:45] <latitude> How do I use apt to remove the rest
[19:47] <diogenes_> sudo apt autoremove
[19:48] <latitude> error: unmet dependencies linux-image-extra...
[19:48] <diogenes_> try with -f at the end
[19:48] <diogenes_>  sudo apt autoremove -f
[19:50] <latitude> when I run that is says the images that I purged will be installed
[19:50] <diogenes_> lol copy/paste and share the link
[19:51] <diogenes_> before you take any further actions
[19:51]  * diogenes_ will be back in a few minutes
[19:52] <latitude> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26043951/
[20:02] <alkisg> latitude: press "n", no there
[20:02] <alkisg> You don't want to reinstall all those kernels
[20:04] <alkisg> latitude: run this command: dpkg --purge --force-all linux-image-4.4.0-21-generic linux-image-4.4.0-28-generic linux-image-4.4.0-31-generic linux-image-4.4.0-36-generic linux-image-4.4.0-38-generic linux-image-4.4.0-45-generic linux-image-4.4.0-47-generic linux-image-4.4.0-57-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-21-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-28-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-31-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-36-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-38
[20:05] <alkisg> latitude: in case irc cut it, here it is: http://paste.debian.net/plain/997571
[20:06] <alkisg> Once that is finished, *then* run sudo apt install -f
[20:06] <alkisg> Autoremove will come later.
[20:06] <latitude> ok. working on it
[20:09] <latitude> Here is what I get when I run sudo apt install -f  https://paste.ubuntu.com/26044095/
[20:11] <alkisg> latitude: say yes there
[20:11] <alkisg> Watch out for errors
[20:11] <alkisg> I'll be afk for 20', so here are the next steps:
[20:11] <alkisg> 1) see no errors
[20:12] <alkisg> 2) sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:12] <alkisg> 3) reboot
[20:12] <alkisg> 4) sudo apt-get purge --auto-remove ==> pastebin before saying yes there
[20:12] <latitude> ok its running
[20:14] <latitude> I got errors :(
[20:14] <diogenes_> latitude, again? what errors share the link
[20:15] <latitude> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26044130/
[20:15] <latitude> Man the is PAINFUL!!!!!
[20:16] <latitude> this*
[20:16] <diogenes_> latitude, remeber it's your first time, everything is painful at the first time
[20:16] <diogenes_> absolutely everything
[20:18] <latitude> I use linux a work but that most a file server and I use that to write c code for embedded systems
[20:19] <diogenes_> everything has a solution just be patient
[20:20] <latitude> Yeah I have to work on my patients...lol
[20:22] <diogenes_> did you run sudo apt autoremove -f
[20:23] <latitude> Yeah it asked me if I wanted to install the packages the I purged
[20:24] <latitude> HEre is the output from that command   https://paste.ubuntu.com/26043951/
[20:30] <diogenes_> latitude, you still alive?
[20:31] <latitude> yeah man
[20:31] <latitude> I posted the link from the result
[20:31] <diogenes_> the result of sudo apt autoremove -f?
[20:32] <latitude> yeah
[20:32] <diogenes_> post it one more time I got disconnected
[20:32] <latitude> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26043951/
[20:33] <diogenes_> I hope you didn't run yes
[20:33] <latitude> I hit no
[20:33] <diogenes_> ok one more time run: dpkg -l '*linux*' | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:34] <latitude> http://termbin.com/ezyj
[20:36] <latitude> I noticed after I used the purge command that worked I had freed up some space. But once alksig told me to run sudo apt install -f I lost the free space I gained
[20:37] <alkisg> latitude: back. sorry, i misread your last pastebin, you shouldn't have pressed yes there
[20:37] <diogenes_> run:sudo dpkg --purge --force-all linux-headers-4.4.0-21-generic linux-headers-4.4.0-28-generic linux-headers-4.4.0-31-generic linux-headers-4.4.0-36-generic linux-headers-4.4.0-38-generic linux-headers-4.4.0-45-generic linux-headers-4.4.0-47-generic linux-headers-4.4.0-57-generic
[20:37] <alkisg> latitude: let's go again, use the previous command, http://paste.debian.net/plain/997571
[20:39] <latitude> here is what I get https://paste.ubuntu.com/26044322/
[20:39] <alkisg> ...followed by this one: http://paste.debian.net/plain/997575
[20:40] <alkisg> latitude: what was/is the name of uname -r?
[20:41] <latitude> -66
[20:42] <alkisg> latitude: df -h | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:44] <latitude> I;m removing the headers
[20:45] <alkisg> OK, although headers don't have anything in /boot
[20:45] <latitude> http://termbin.com/8bwe
[20:45] <latitude> thats from df -h
[20:46] <alkisg> latitude: ok. let's do the quicker method... do those, stop if you ever see errors:
[20:46] <alkisg> sudo -i
[20:46] <alkisg> cp -a /boot /var/tmp/boot
[20:46] <alkisg> umount /boot
[20:47] <alkisg> cp -a /var/tmp/boot/* /boot/
[20:47] <alkisg> apt install -f
[20:47] <alkisg> Note, don't reboot until everything is done, including some others I'll write later
[20:48] <latitude> ok
[20:52] <latitude> Here is the output from apt install -f   https://paste.ubuntu.com/26044431/
[20:54] <alkisg> latitude: press y
[20:57] <latitude> 40% done
[20:58] <alkisg> latitude: to explain: we'll use a temporary /boot to fix everything, which has no space issues, and then copy the result to the real /boot
[20:59] <alkisg> I.e. now you can run apt-get dist-upgrade, apt-get purge --auto-remove etc etc, with no issues at all. Just don't reboot until we copy the result back to the real /boot
[20:59] <latitude> I figured something like that was happening with cp command
[21:00] <latitude> had some errors
[21:01] <latitude> erros were encountered while processing linux-image-exrta-4.4.0-45-generic same for -47 -57
[21:02] <latitude> its doen
[21:02] <latitude> done
[21:03] <latitude> What was the sudo -i command for??
[21:04] <alkisg> sudo -i gives you permanent sudo access
[21:04] <latitude> alkisg you still there??
[21:04] <alkisg> You exit by typing "exit"
[21:04] <alkisg> So we don't need to type sudo each time
[21:04] <latitude> is that the same as sudo bash?
[21:04] <alkisg> sudo bash is bad actually, sudo -i is better
[21:04] <alkisg> Put the errors to pastebin
[21:05] <latitude> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26044505/
[21:06] <alkisg> This doesn't help. Put more lines, the actual error is above that.
[21:06] <alkisg> It's ok to copy 100 lines, it's not ok to copy 10 :)
[21:07] <latitude> lol ok
[21:08] <latitude> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26044529/
[21:08] <latitude> looks like some where half installed and can't be configured
[21:10] <alkisg> try this: apt-get purge --auto-remove linux-image-extra-4.4.0-45-generic  linux-image-extra-4.4.0-47-generic  linux-image-extra-4.4.0-57-generic
[21:10] <alkisg> show pastebin before pressing yes
[21:11] <latitude> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26044561/
[21:13] <latitude> forget that one
[21:13] <latitude> here is the one you want
[21:13] <latitude> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26044568/
[21:13] <alkisg> latitude: go for it, press y
[21:14] <latitude> done
[21:14] <latitude> now what
[21:15] <alkisg> latitude: try plain apt-get purge --auto-remove
[21:15] <alkisg> Does it remove anything?
[21:16] <latitude> said 0 upgraded, 0newly installed, 0 to remove
[21:16] <alkisg> Cool
[21:16] <alkisg> Now apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:17] <alkisg> (dist-upgrade means normal upgrade, not go to a newer ubuntu...)
[21:17] <latitude> it will us 96.7 mb of additional space...continue
[21:18] <latitude> use*
[21:18] <alkisg> sure
[21:19] <latitude> 30%
[21:19] <latitude> 50%
[21:20] <latitude> Is this happening because the old kernals are still on my system?
[21:20] <alkisg> Which part is happenning?
[21:21] <alkisg> The 101 kernel was never properly installed
[21:21] <latitude> this whole this /boot being full
[21:21] <alkisg> This is the one that you'll want to reboot into
[21:21] <alkisg> Yes, it's because you never bothered to remove the old ones
[21:21] <alkisg> Run apt-get purge --auto-remove from time to time.
[21:21] <alkisg> Also, it's not worth it to have a separate /boot...
[21:22] <latitude> great that was my next question
[21:22] <latitude> yeah. Not sure why
[21:22] <latitude> I did that
[21:23] <latitude> looks like everything is getting unpacked
[21:23] <alkisg> I'm going to give you a script that properly purges old kernels
[21:24] <latitude> wow thats great man
[21:24] <alkisg> It's in greek, don't get scared, you'll just press ok when prompted
[21:24] <alkisg> We're using it in 1000+ schools here
[21:24] <latitude> cool I have written some scripts
[21:25] <alkisg> Did apt finish?
[21:25] <latitude> not yet still unpacking
[21:26] <alkisg> Open another terminal, and type:
[21:26] <alkisg> sudo wget https://git.launchpad.net/sch-scripts/plain/share/sch-scripts/purge-kernels?id=c92627515847e6a031b1f5a8361f36563e76ea02 -Ο /usr/local/bin/purge-kernels
[21:26] <alkisg> sudo chmod +x /usr/local/bin/purge-kernels
[21:27] <alkisg> After that, when you want to remove older kernels, just run sudo purge-kernels, it will keep the newest and the running one, which is the best thing to do
[21:27] <alkisg> (it will prompt you and tell you which packages it will remove etc etc)
[21:29] <latitude> ok only some of that script is in greek some I can read
[21:29] <alkisg> You can translate the 3 greek lines if you want
[21:30] <alkisg> I'll need to leave in a few minutes so let's finish quickly
[21:30] <alkisg> Did apt finish?
[21:30] <latitude> not lol
[21:30] <alkisg> Meh :D
[21:30] <alkisg> What's the size of /boot now? du -sh /boot
[21:32] <latitude> command didnt work
[21:32] <alkisg> That doesn't help, use copy/paste of messages :)
[21:32] <alkisg> du -sh /boot
[21:33] <alkisg> That should work without issues...
[21:33] <latitude> sorry i wasn't root
[21:33] <latitude> 665m
[21:35] <alkisg> Ouch, you'll need to run purge kernels before you copy it back :)
[21:35] <alkisg> Wait until apt finishes of course
[21:35] <alkisg> Then run purge-kernels, put the result to pastebin before pressing yes, and ping me
[21:35] <latitude> done!
[21:35] <latitude> how do I ping?
[21:36] <latitude> i ran that command again now /root is 460M
[21:36] <alkisg> Ping means to write my name, alkisg
[21:37] <alkisg> It makes a sound in the other person's computer
[21:37] <latitude> got it
[21:37] <latitude> apt finished
[21:37] <alkisg> You can use tab in irc to autocomplete names, e.g. lat<tab> => autocompletes latitude
[21:37] <alkisg> OK, run purge-kernels
[21:38] <latitude> there was an error with apt
[21:38] <alkisg> Use pastebin again
[21:39] <latitude> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26044707/
[21:40] <alkisg> No space left on device?! Which device, we don't have /boot mounted...
[21:41] <alkisg> latitude: actually, do you mind if I help with vnc to finish faster? It's almost midnight here...
[21:41] <latitude> yeah sure
[21:41] <alkisg> sudo apt install x11vnc
[21:41] <alkisg> x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr
[21:41] <alkisg> apt install might fail because of the other errors, but x11vnc should run anyway
[21:42] <latitude> ok
[21:54] <alkisg> latitude: I think you're good
[21:54] <latitude> wow man that was GREAT!!!
[21:54] <alkisg> Is grub installed in /dev/sda?
[21:54] <alkisg> I'd like to reinstall it just in case...
[21:55] <latitude> not sure
[21:56] <alkisg> Can you reboot just to make sure,before I leave?
[21:56] <latitude> yeah I will be right back
[21:56] <alkisg> If it doesn't... you'd need a live cd or something
[21:56] <alkisg> I'm hoping it'll boot fine though :)
[21:56] <latitude> think I have a usb stick with linux on it
[21:56] <alkisg> Cool, go for reboot
[21:56] <latitude> ok I hope to be back soon
[22:00] <latitude> YEAH alkisg
[22:01] <alkisg> :)
[22:01] <latitude> it worked
[22:01] <latitude> thank you so much
[22:01] <alkisg> Cool. Now you are with 101 kernel, run sudo purge-kernels once more to remove 66
[22:01] <alkisg> Good night all :)
[22:01] <latitude> ok thank you
[22:04] <latitude> alkisg, all purged from -66. you where a great help
[22:04] <latitude> I added you as a friend
[22:21] <adam5isalive> Hey gents


[19:39] <Intelo> can I just wash my android phone and install ubuntu OS on it. Plus recieve / send calls? then change my mind and install android on it again?
[19:48] <vlouvet> Intelo, I would just spend $150 and buy a ubports phone. then stop using the andriod phone when you've replaced all functionality with the pinephone ubports phone equivalent https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/
[19:49] <pyusr> hey you can run linux/android on iphone :)  https://projectsandcastle.org/status
[19:49] <vlouvet> Intelo, to answer your question - yes. You can do a full backup of android onto an sd card. then wipe android phone and put a custom rom on there, and most support make/receive calls. then you could use the rom install tools to restore the backup of android and go back to "stock"
[19:50] <Intelo> or can I make a laptop to recieve /send calls/sms?
[19:50] <Intelo> vlouvet, hm
[19:50] <Intelo> or can I make a laptop to recieve /send calls/sms?
[19:51] <vlouvet> pyusr, no GPU, cellular, camera, or sound.. but sure it RUNS
[19:51] <pyusr> give it time :)  it's new
[19:51] <vlouvet> Intelo, yes, making a laptop make/receive calls is much easier
[19:51] <pyusr> in windows 10 you have an ios/android app today that can sync sms messages, etc..
[19:51] <vlouvet> you could use google voice for most cases within the US.. if outside the US you might look into a VoIP provider with a SIP client (there are many to choose from)
[19:52] <Intelo> vlouvet, I am in turkey.
[19:53] <Intelo> vlouvet,  I already have my own sim number
[19:53] <Intelo> I want to use that number
[19:53] <Intelo> In a laptop
[19:53] <Intelo> so voip /sip won't apply I think?
[19:53] <Intelo> as they will give me a different number
[20:40] <andr01d> pyusr, why would anyone voluntarily run android anywhere?
[22:18] <tr4ck3ur> andr01d, that is the question !
[22:19] <tr4ck3ur> why anyone whant to be tr4ck3d ?
[22:21] <tr4ck3ur> why don't just give service, without any counterpart
[22:23] <tr4ck3ur> btw, i love ubports way to go, and i promote it on french riviera LUG/GUL. let's promote it over more materials !
[22:25] <tr4ck3ur> end of comm :p


[11:54] <cpaelzer_> didrocks: hi I answered on zsys
[11:55] <cpaelzer_> lets discuss and get a group ack here later on by the Team that will hopefully be here
[11:55] <cpaelzer_> didrocks: what do you need from me on the Lintian issues?
[12:04] <didrocks> cpaelzer_: hey, thanks! On Lintian, I really can't reproduce, (the end of the text should explain more) do you just run lintian on it?
[12:05] <didrocks> I gave an example even with --pendatic on eoan, and no copyright issue
[12:05] <cpaelzer_> hmm, I ran on Bionic didrocks
[12:05] <cpaelzer_> if you have a pedantic more or less happy then I'm fine
[12:06] <didrocks> cpaelzer_: more than happy, I have 0 warnings :)
[12:07] <cpaelzer_> ok then
[12:07] <didrocks> cpaelzer_: see "I'm not seeing those on an up to date eoan machine"  on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zsys/+bug/1839271/comments/2
[12:08] <didrocks> cpaelzer_: /!\ the comments are really long (longer than launchpad will show inline), you need to download it
[12:08] <cpaelzer_> lol
[12:08] <cpaelzer_> yeah that is why I only have read half of it I gues
[12:08] <cpaelzer_> s
[12:08] <didrocks> sorry, you will have even more to read :) (and also tell me if the .service change is fine for you)
[12:09] <cpaelzer_> reading now
[12:13] <cpaelzer_> didrocks: ok what remains before our discussion here later on are two things then
[12:14] <cpaelzer_> a) the simple one - the lack of ducomentation
[12:14] <cpaelzer_> you said that it will not have user-visible features
[12:14] <cpaelzer_> I'm torn on this, can't you somehow easily convert the blogs into a md file or so that could ship as a documentation?
[12:15] <cpaelzer_> or a basic summar with rferences to the blog post series
[12:15] <cpaelzer_> that way the series can grow with more details as the project lives and evolves
[12:15] <didrocks> cpaelzer_: what about linking them (or copying) in the upstream github wiki page?
[12:15] <cpaelzer_> didrocks: ^^ ?
[12:15] <didrocks> (actually, they are already markdown)
[12:15] <didrocks> that way, it's easy to get them evolving over time
[12:15] <cpaelzer_> ack
[12:15] <cpaelzer_> not perfect, but there jsut isn't more we could add right now
[12:16] <cpaelzer_> considering you do this lets get to (b) my complains about the usability in a container
[12:16] <didrocks> yeah, I'm currently downloading a lxc (trying to find eoan image)
[12:16] <didrocks> and see what can be done
[12:16] <didrocks> I wonder though how useful this could be in a container
[12:17] <cpaelzer_> I'm not sure what in the postinst breaks
[12:17] <didrocks> but that's your server side talking I think ;)
[12:17] <cpaelzer_> if it is just the service it is trivial
[12:17] <didrocks> I think it's starting the systemctl service
[12:17] <didrocks> if you don't have the zfs module loaded
[12:17] <didrocks> or if you have pre-0.8
[12:17] <cpaelzer_> let me fetch some examples as suggestion
[12:18] <didrocks> the generated postinst only has the systemd stuff
[12:19] <didrocks> while the image is downloading, let me check if there is an arg to tell "don't fail if the service can't start"
[12:19] <didrocks> I implemented it in debian long ago, don't remember if this was merged or not
[12:19] <didrocks> (in dh_systemd)
[12:19] <cpaelzer_> didrocks: ConditionVirtualization=!continer
[12:20] <cpaelzer_> as I'd think it never would make sens in a container right?
[12:20] <didrocks> ah, directly in the service, preventing it for starting, that makes sense
[12:20] <didrocks> because right now, I don't see a use of zsys in the container, indeed
[12:20] <didrocks> and it's too dependant on the host kernel module
[12:20] <didrocks> ok, let's go that way, adding it
[12:20] <didrocks> thanks for the link :)
[12:20] <cpaelzer_> other commonly used options are ConditionCapability=
[12:21] <didrocks> on debian/watch, I guess I'm going to remove it (see the ref on the lintian warning)
[12:21] <cpaelzer_> if you strictly depend on some caps to be able to work
[12:21] <cpaelzer_> e.g. ConditionCapability=CAP_SYS_TIME
[12:21] <cpaelzer_> ok for watch
[12:21] <didrocks> let me check man capabilities to see if one fits
[12:23] <cpaelzer_> if you want to go hardcore you can even limit it down to known syscallfilters
[12:23] <cpaelzer_> example
[12:23] <cpaelzer_> SystemCallFilter=~@clock @cpu-emulation @debug @keyring @module @mount @obsolete @raw-io @reboot @swap
[12:23] <cpaelzer_> didrocks: ^^
[12:23] <cpaelzer_> not required, but while you are at it this is a great way to really limit exploitability
[12:23] <didrocks> cpaelzer_: right, I would go wide at first, and restrict little by little, especially once we have the client/service logic
[12:24] <didrocks> there, limiting the prividledged service as much as possible will help
[12:24] <didrocks> priviledged*
[12:24] <cpaelzer_> yep
[12:24] <cpaelzer_> since everything new is in the focus having it a bit more encapsulated can't hurt
[12:24] <didrocks> maybe, let's go with !container at first, and once we are closer to 1.0 with the new model, the second security review, go that way
[12:24] <didrocks> yes
[12:25] <cpaelzer_> didrocks: I think we are fine waiting for you to bring it up with the group later then
[12:25] <didrocks> sure!
[12:25] <didrocks> thanks again for the review cpaelzer_ :)
[12:26] <cpaelzer_> I only want to help, not being a pedantic roadblock
[12:26] <cpaelzer_> although sometimes for MIR reviews that is just what we have to be :-)
[12:27] <didrocks> heh, ofc
[12:48] <didrocks> cpaelzer_: interesting, so the postinst doesn't fail in the container, you meant it did? the postinst has || true.
[12:48] <didrocks> you have the following message though, as the service can't start:
[12:48] <didrocks> Job for zsys-commit.service failed because the control process exited with error code.
[12:48] <didrocks> See "systemctl status zsys-commit.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
[12:48] <didrocks> (but RC is 0, and the dpkg transaction isn't broken)
[12:49] <didrocks> however, in lxc, "ConditionVirtualization=!container" doesn't work, I'll try on dock
[12:49] <didrocks> docker*
[12:53] <didrocks> cpaelzer_: FYI, the condition works on docker (not started), so it's still a plus.
[12:56] <cpaelzer_> hmm
[12:56] <cpaelzer_> it should work on lxd
[12:57] <cpaelzer_> is is the same as systemd-detect-virt
[12:58] <didrocks> systemd-detect-virt
[12:58] <didrocks> lxc
[12:58] <didrocks> so, not "container"
[12:58] <didrocks> let me launch it on docker
[12:58] <cpaelzer_> no there is a --container or so
[12:58] <cpaelzer_> which summarizes all the containers into one check
[12:59] <didrocks> --container (which seems to be what it is, indeed), returns "lxc" as well
[12:59] <didrocks> it does return "docker" anyway, even with --container in docker
[13:00] <cpaelzer_> didrocks: it returns true
[13:00] <cpaelzer_> that is the point
[13:00] <cpaelzer_> systemd-detect-virt --container
[13:01] <cpaelzer_> it returns the "type" e.g. lxc
[13:01] <cpaelzer_> print = type
[13:01] <cpaelzer_> RC = 1/0 depending on what it is
[13:01] <didrocks> ah, so, it's only the exit code, let me check
[13:01] <cpaelzer_> yep
[13:01] <cpaelzer_> systemd-detect-virt --container is RC=0 in containers
[13:01] <cpaelzer_> and 1 everywhere else
[13:01] <cpaelzer_> and that is what the check in the .service is based on
[13:02] <didrocks> yep, wondering why it started on lxc then, let me recheck
[13:02] <didrocks> still the same, hum
[13:02] <didrocks> and definitively working on docker
[13:02] <didrocks> (working as "not starting")
[13:03] <didrocks> ah, my fault I guess, one min
[13:04] <didrocks> ok good now :)
[13:05] <cyphermox> hrm
[13:05] <didrocks> should we start the meeting?
[13:05] <cpaelzer_> lets ping the rest
[13:05] <cpaelzer_> cyphermox: is already here
[13:05] <cpaelzer_> doko: jamespage: jdstrand: ping for MIR meeting
[13:16] <cpaelzer_> didrocks: it seems it is just cyphermox me and you
[13:16] <didrocks> hum, should we still discuss zsys if doko/jamespage/jdstrand are away?
[13:16] <didrocks> yep :)
[13:16] <cpaelzer_> yeah, you need a way to go on
[13:16] <cpaelzer_> and cyphermox is a MIR-pro :-)
[13:16] <cyphermox> huh?
[13:17] <didrocks> so, for cyphermox, the background is that zsys (a zfs userspace handler that the desktop team is writting) is an experimental feature announced for eoan
[13:17] <cpaelzer_> cyphermox: we were wondering about the MIR on zsys
[13:17] <cpaelzer_> didrocks: will explain
[13:17] <didrocks> current version is 0.1
[13:17] <didrocks> it's a go binary (not user-visible, only doing some background work)
[13:17] <didrocks> as for ubuntu-report, snapd, juju, it vendors the deps
[13:18] <didrocks> for some context, on ubuntu-report, I tried to avoid vendoring
[13:18] <cyphermox> yeah. as long as security is okay with the vendored deps... but I thought we were supposed to crack down on that
[13:18] <didrocks> which was then reverted to "let's vendor, easier and better for our use-case"
[13:18] <cyphermox> I mean, it's definitely not great, but it also looks kinda unavoidable in some cases
[13:18] <didrocks> I guess the vendor vs not vendor should be dealt at distro level, but for all binaries vendoring (including snapd, juju, …)
[13:19] <didrocks> maybe a goal for a cycle?
[13:19] <didrocks> (unsure if LTS cycle would be the best though)
[13:19] <cyphermox> maybe
[13:19] <didrocks> maybe it will be the time to ask about go module & proxy handling
[13:19] <cyphermox> is zsys in the archive now?
[13:19] <didrocks> yes
[13:19] <didrocks> (universe)
[13:19] <cyphermox> well.. the issue is also that go transitions are terrible
[13:19] <cyphermox> so ifg you need new deps on a released distro it's teh worst.
[13:20] <didrocks> ah, in that sense, well, same than with any other language, if you need a newer version of a lib (or go itself…)
[13:20] <cyphermox> okay, so I guess archive admins already complained about zsys vendoring deps, and we're all good on that side?
[13:20] <didrocks> didn't complain because we went that road on ubuntu-report (without vendoring, and then, had to go back on vendoring), so they were aware
[13:21] <cyphermox> ah ok
[13:21] <didrocks> (they == seb FTR)
[13:21] <cyphermox> well, as long as the security team is aware, because that imposes some burden on them because of the vendored dependency
[13:21] <didrocks> yes, anyway, we are pending on the security review
[13:21] <cyphermox> ok
[13:22] <cyphermox> well I don't see any issue with the MIR otherwise
[13:22] <cpaelzer_> all that cyphermox is the same I already said(glad about that)  - I think the critical point here is the very early 0.1
[13:22] <cpaelzer_> I mena we don't re-evaluate SW anyway
[13:22] <cyphermox> no, but it's written by Canonical
[13:22] <cpaelzer_> so when we ack on v5 of something we silently assume v7 will still be fine
[13:22] <didrocks> which is a bigger issue IMHO, I have seen some stuff being MIRed being very different some months/years after
[13:23] <didrocks> (starting with unity for instance)
[13:23] <cpaelzer_> cyphermox: yeah that here canonical is the upstream was my argument as well why it might be ok
[13:23] <cyphermox> things generally don't regress over time to get less MIR-worthy
[13:23] <didrocks> and as said, I'm more on the safe side: once we migrate to the service/client model, I will require a security background check to ensure I didn't open any hole
[13:23] <cpaelzer_> ok, it seems we are fine with your 0.1 then didrocks - under the constraint that security is ok with is as well
[13:23]  * didrocks doesn't like things running as root and won't declare himself an expert :)
[13:24] <cyphermox> you MIR the software that makes sense to have in main, that we really need, etc. as long as the quality is acceptable and we can reasonably expect the software not to become trash because we "trust" the maintainers
[13:24] <didrocks> indeed
[13:24] <cyphermox> well, I don't like it much either... does it really need to run as root?
[13:24] <didrocks> cyphermox: it needs to interacts with zfs module kernel
[13:24] <cyphermox> ok
[13:25] <cyphermox> it's some kind of fuse driver?
[13:25] <didrocks> right now, for some of the action, only root is allowed
[13:25] <didrocks> no, it's tagging/handling/snapshoting zfs datasets
[13:25] <didrocks> snapshotting*
[13:25] <cyphermox> ok
[13:25] <cpaelzer> didrocks: take a not on the syscall filters and such  - that will help you to be a rather safe root process
[13:25] <cpaelzer> but I think after our discussion that already is on your lists somewhere
[13:25] <didrocks> cpaelzer: definitively note down
[13:25] <cyphermox> well, it wouldn't be the first thing anyway. we have other things that do similar work
[13:25] <didrocks> yes
[13:25] <cyphermox> udisks?
[13:25] <didrocks> right
[13:26] <cyphermox> also, probably a pretty good example of something in main with horrendous code ;)
[13:26] <didrocks> hoping zsys won't go the same way :) at least, it has a big testsuite :p
[13:26] <cyphermox> hehe
[13:26] <cyphermox> great
[13:27] <didrocks> cpaelzer: do you mind giving the official +1 (pending security ofc) on the bug so that I'm not the one writing it? (don't want to be the requester and acker)? (maybe with some of the reasoning and linking this discussion?)
[13:28] <cpaelzer> yes
[13:28] <cpaelzer> doing so now ...
[13:29] <didrocks> thx cpaelzer & cyphermox :)


[07:30] <knightwise> yoyo
[07:52] <Guest83501> morning all
[07:53] <MooDoo> raa
[07:57] <knightwise> mownin :)
[07:57] <knightwise> how are you this fine monday ?
[08:03] <MooDoo> tired
[08:03] <knightwise> rough weekend ?
[08:04] <MooDoo> weekend was fine, son was poorly and projectiled at 00:45 in the morning :(
[08:04] <knightwise> ouch
[08:04] <knightwise> not fun
[08:05] <zmoylan-pi> to learn so young not to like mondays... hope he's recovering well
[08:06] <knightwise> Going to try out Ubuntu on my Surface pro today for an entire day
[08:06] <knightwise> see how it holds up
[08:06] <knightwise> have to find out how to enable hibernate / suspend
[08:07] <knightwise> still cant believe canonical dropped that functionality in Ubuntu
[08:11] <zmoylan-pi> i have never in my life suspended or hibernated a laptop... willingly.  though i do think it should be available as an option for those as needs it
[08:12] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:12] <knightwise> my wife hasnt rebooted her mac for 79 days. She just opens en closes the lid
[08:12] <knightwise> and that is how its supposed to be I think$
[08:12] <knightwise> morning brobostigon
[08:13] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[08:14] <zmoylan-pi> works for some.  i wanted every last watt of battery life for usage so that ruled out suspend and with windows a clean boot cleared up /problems/ and on linux it was fast booting enough to make no difference
[08:17] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: agreed. i still need to get it working on this surface :)  Would be cool to be able to suspend resume instead of having to bootup
[08:17] <knightwise> although bootup time is lightning fast
[09:28] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:43] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 how are you this fine day
[09:43] <davmor2> It's Monday and I'm in meetings :)
[09:44] <MooDoo> davmor2: shit then :D
[09:45] <zmoylan-pi> wait wait, are donuts provided in the meeting...?
[10:00] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Innovation Day! :-D
[10:00] <MooDoo> morning
[10:01] <JamesTait> o/ MooDoo
[10:02] <popey> zmoylan-pi: Doughnuts over video chat...
[10:03] <zmoylan-pi> well then you can mute it and replace your image with a carefully crafted glove puppet :-)
[10:18] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:19] <MooDoo> howdy bigcalm
[10:19] <knightwise> hey MooDoo , bigcalm
[10:19] <bigcalm> o/
[10:24] <intrbiz> morning
[10:31]  * davmor2 quickly throws together an lego arm that high fives JamesTait and remotely slaps him a high five....How's that for innovation :D
[10:33] <renato95> hi
[10:33] <renato95> accidentally I wrote "$ sudo chmod -R 755 /lib"
[10:33] <JamesTait> davmor2, like http://youtu.be/m3fmMM_1wBc ?
[10:34] <renato95> have I corrupted the system?
[10:35] <popey> renato95: you may find things are a bit broken, yes
[10:35] <renato95> fuck...
[10:36] <davmor2> JamesTait: no I type !slap JamesTait and it does if you're quick enough it only hits your hand and all of it is lego :D
[10:36] <renato95> but in the folder's property nothing is changed
[10:37] <popey> renato95: well, some things in that folder are already 755, but something else may not be. you might be okay.
[10:38] <renato95> how do i past images?
[10:38] <renato95> *post
[10:41] <popey> ...
[10:42] <renato95> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/OKmmyiTIS7aVNZQQ2GY6
[10:43] <renato95> here you can see the properties
[10:43] <renato95> of the folder
[10:43] <davmor2> renato95: yeah but that is the properties of the folder after you changed it
[10:43] <renato95> yes
[10:44] <renato95> but all the other folders look the same
[10:46]  * SuperMatt wonders if renato is the renato that he knows, or if it's just a popular name
[10:47] <renato95> "SuperMatt wonders if renato is the renato that he knows, or if it's just a popular name"?? hahah!!
[10:48] <SuperMatt> well I don't know!
[10:50] <renato95> * -
[11:03] <knightwise> hmmm
[11:03] <knightwise> mondays
[11:03] <knightwise> wish it had a "next" or "skip" button
[11:03] <zmoylan-pi> over dose on donuts and wake up on tuesday...
[11:03] <davmor2> knightwise: but then tuesday becomes the new Monday
[11:04] <zmoylan-pi> tuesday becomes the day you wake up in a strange town wondering how you got there so you'll be busy and distracted
[11:06] <knightwise> true.
[11:07] <knightwise> Stupid kickstand on the Surface pro 1 .. only has one setting and the angle is not ideal
[11:07] <knightwise> Need to look for an alternative somewhere
[11:08] <knightwise> for the rest : Fantastic machine to run ubunt on
[11:09] <popey> yeah, they fixed that in the surface pro 2 I believe
[11:10] <knightwise> true
[11:10] <zmoylan-pi> microsoft often get so much right and then skimp on the little things that drive you bonkers. i think the stand was sorted in pro 2
[11:10] <knightwise> for the moment i'm using a tablet mount to get it sorted
[11:10] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: agreed. for the rest .. the screen is fantastic
[11:10] <knightwise> samsung could learn something from this display
[11:11] <zmoylan-pi> no expense was spared in the screen by all accounts
[11:18] <knightwise> love the resolution. I think the only machine that can top this at the moment is the nex XPS13
[11:20] <knightwise> just need to iron out some quirks
[12:33] <davmor2> popey: I hate you, by the way, crossy road 250 jumps, Machines vs machines hard level 3, uu level 42 can you guess how I spent my weekend
[12:34] <davmor2> popey: uu gets too monotonous is my only complaint
[12:44] <popey> haha
[12:44] <bigcalm> !rat
[12:44]  * bigcalm sneaks back to work
[12:52] <davmor2> bigcalm: big hint it's not very sneaky to announce it ;)
[14:12] <davmor2> bigcalm, intrbiz: anyone else want to write pole on the end of adam's wolveslist email?
[14:13] <intrbiz> davmor2: very good, took me a while to work that one out
[14:16] <diddledan> o_O
[14:19] <davmor2> diddledan: mailing list role call for the lug meeting we got a. ron m. bigcalm t. Ad z. intrbiz
[14:29] <diddledan> really? apparently iphone users will discriminate against people that send them a message which appears as a "green bubble" instead of a "blue bubble" (blue means it's an imessage, green means it's sms)
[14:31] <diddledan> ref: https://medium.com/message/its-kind-of-cheesy-being-green-2c72cc9e5eda
[14:33] <zmoylan-pi> well about 10% of irish males have some blue-green colour blindness :-)
[14:58] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: so they are there all wondering why they keep getting sms about enlarging the privates and emails from phone numbers then :)
[19:29] <SuperEngineer> Anyone know about the requirements of in-car audio players [SD card slot]?
[19:30] <SuperEngineer> What format required? Can they read fat32? will they recurse directories? etc.
[19:32] <davmor2> SuperEngineer: manual should tell you, on the whole they will by default read whatever an sdcard is formatted in by default normally fat32, and on the whole will play mp3's that it finds on the card, what format is displayed is anyones guess
[19:36] <SuperEngineer> cheers, davmor2
[19:38]  * SuperEngineer copies podcasts to sd card ;0
[19:43] <SuperEngineer> [I would go to the car & fetch the manual - if it wasn't p'ing down atm - so here's hoping ;)
[20:29] <qwerty> I'm using ubuntu, one hour ago I wrote on the command line "sudo chmod -R 755 /lib"... If I reboot my computer do I have some error?
[20:29] <Guest49464> I'm using ubuntu, one hour ago I wrote on the command line "sudo chmod -R 755 /lib"... If I reboot my computer do I have some error?
[20:34] <shauno> I realise it's bad form to answer a question with a question.  But why did you do that?
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> (subtle shauno)
[20:40] <shauno> well, I mean I assume there's an underlying problem that he's trying to solve here
[20:42] <Guest49464> answer my question please
[20:43] <Guest49464> will I have some issue?
[20:43] <shauno> luckily /lib is one of the safest places to make such an oops.  there's no bin, no libexec, so nothing that's suid, very little magic in there
[20:43] <Guest49464> and so?
[20:44] <Guest49464> i ensure me that i will not have problems?
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> shauno: some binaries are in there
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> shauno: for udev etc
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> Guest49464: it's hard to be sure
[20:49] <Guest49464> so?
[20:49] <Guest49464> will I have issues?
[20:49] <Guest49464> because i don't know if i can shudown my computer this night
[20:50] <Guest49464> i have an exam in few days and i have to use this computer
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> Guest49464: It is hard to say. There might be problems, there might not be
[20:50] <popey> nobody can say for sure.
[20:50] <popey> so, backup & re-install is the "best" option.
[20:51] <Guest49464> is there a way to undo the command?
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> restore from a previous backup
[20:51] <popey> yes, restore from backup
[20:51] <Guest49464> i have no backups
[20:52] <Guest49464> is there a command i can type?
[20:52] <popey> no
[20:52] <Guest49464> what's the permission of that folder
[20:52] <Guest49464> by default?
[20:52] <popey> its not the folder, its all the files
[20:53] <shauno> the problem is that it's not "that folder" you've changed".  -R changes every single file and folder within it.  that's just over 10,000 files on mine.
[20:53] <popey> you're _probably_ going to be okay
[20:54] <shauno> I suspect at the most you'll break ufw.  but if you have no backups, make some ASAP, else you're tempting murphy
[20:54] <Guest49464> damn
[20:54] <Guest49464> what's ufw?
[20:55] <Guest49464> what's asap?
[20:55] <popey> As Soon As Possible
[20:55] <popey> Uncomplicated FireWall
[20:56] <shauno> (entirely aside, I have no idea why ufw stores its rules in /lib.  that seems wrong)
[20:56] <Guest49464> so it's better i do not shutdown the computer
[20:57] <Guest49464> because i'm afraid i've corrupted something
[20:57] <shauno> honestly, I think your first job should be to backup anything that you'd miss.  if you rebooted right now and it didn't come back, what files would you worry about
[20:58] <shauno> (not that they'd be gone, but you'd be in a much better position to rebuild)
[21:02] <Guest49464> yeah, now listen
[21:02] <Guest49464> suppose i deleted evry single file of the system
[21:02] <Guest49464> suppose that
[21:03] <Guest49464> now, my computer starts with dual boot with windows
[21:03] <Guest49464> if I made a crap... forget what i said before and consider my case
[21:03] <Guest49464> if I maed something wrong
[21:04] <Guest49464> can i work with windows?
[21:06] <popey> I dont understand.
[21:08] <Guest49464> i have dual boot
[21:09] <Guest49464> considering that i could have some issue while booting
[21:09] <popey> what you have done wont have affected windows
[21:10] <Guest49464> so i could use windows
[21:10] <Guest49464> eccelent
[21:12] <Guest49464> are you sure?
[21:14] <popey> yes.
[21:14] <popey> No guarantee you'll be able to get back into Ubuntu though.
[21:14] <popey> But you should be fine.
[21:26] <mapp> evening
[21:45] <mapp> hmm someone accessed my friends betfair account snd placed a £500 bet it won..but still how did someone do it? Only thing i could hink of was malware/spyware on his pc or android phone?
[21:45] <mapp> said it was placed from a virgin media IP in haringey but that could just be a compromised home machine
[21:51] <zmoylan-pi> contact them and place a hold on it's payout?
[21:52] <mapp> the account hasnt logged in again or tried to
[21:52] <mapp> and my mate changed pass
[21:53] <mapp> but how could someone havew got access to his ac in the first place beyond the ways i mentioned?
[21:54] <mapp> and is there any way i can check if the IP the login came from is a compromised host?
[22:53] <shauno> man, apt-get upgrade on an old pi makes me realise just how much zippier the new one is
[23:00] <zmoylan-pi> pi envy? :-)
[23:01] <shauno> just kinda wish I'd got more than one :)
[23:04] <zmoylan-pi> there's an idea... a vending machine in london tube stations selling pis to bored geek commuters... :-)
[23:04] <zmoylan-pi> impulse pis
[23:06] <shauno> eh.  by time it made it to galway, we'd have flying cars
[23:07] <zmoylan-pi> well with the humpback bridges on that side of the country i'm not sure we don't already :-)
[23:19]  * daftykins clocks in
[23:19] <daftykins> hi all
[23:20]  * zmoylan-pi breaks out the banjo and the lyrics for the klingon opera for the night shift...
[23:23] <daftykins> :)
[23:34] <shauno> a bit random, but it's surprisingly difficult to find plain-text version of the shipping forecast
[23:34] <daftykins> 0o
[23:56] <zmoylan-pi> page scraping from low bandwidth bbc page?
[23:57] <shauno> eh, if I'm gonna scrape I might as well just manhandle the met office's xml
[23:57] <daftykins> D:
[23:57] <shauno> I Did actually find it on a US server, which seems odd


[07:24] <darkxst> can someone give the gnome-photos autopkgtest a kick, I just ran it locally and it passed.
[10:24] <cjwatson> darkxst: done
[10:29] <darkxst> cjwatson, thanks
[13:13]  * cjwatson does a mass retry of failed builds, since builders are quiet


[01:40] <Dragnslcr> cbreak- by the way, I checked my laptop on 22.04, and the way to get ISO date formats is to set the time format to Sweden - English (en_SE)
 Fam 22.10 for kubuntu is doing very good job.
[10:39] <cbreak> Dragnslcr: heh... that's quite a hack :D
[11:41] <Dragnslcr> cbreak- yup, very much so
[13:56] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:29] <Guest415> How can I setup kubuntu to allow through discover update snaps without needing admin approval? I want the user to be able to update deb packages and snaps and flatpak packages without admin like in KDE Neon.
 Hi, is 22.10 launching with plasma 5.26?
 5.26 won't out until it is way too late to include. We are already in feature freeze (re @ksenchy: Hi, is 22.10 launching with plasma 5.26?)
 Makes sense. We will be able to manually install it via adding ppa I assume?
 Very likely for kinetic 22.10 (re @ksenchy: Makes sense. We will be able to manually install it via adding ppa I assume?)


[00:11] <RippSteakface> Anyone know of a way to break the Sensors Plugin away from the upper panel and into the desktop area space? I've seen some cool screenshots from Ubuntu distros with the CPU temp/etc. as a widget on the desktop.
[00:24] <RippSteakface> Nevermind I think I figured it out for now.
[05:36] <akis> hi all. i just followed instuctions from here http://www.mysolutions.it/mounting-your-mtp-androids-sd-card-on-ubuntu/ to mount my mtp device succesfully. But any time i unmount it and then i want to mount again i have to give again commands : sudo chmod 775 /media/MTPdevice & sudo mtpfs -o allow_other /media/MTPdevice to mount it again. Is there anyway to write a script for auto-mount any time i connect the device to my 12.04 system? any idea on
[05:36] <akis> this?
[06:30] <bold_> I have compiled and installed a program from source and installed it. I want to remove that program now. How to do it?
[06:32] <delt> Hello
[06:32] <delt> My laptop screen shuts itself off when i close the laptop lid, and there's no way to get it back on except to change console, or reboot
[06:32] <delt> even xrandr --auto, or xset dpms force on don't do it
[06:38] <veebull> are you running nvidia graphics?
[06:42] <delt> yes
[06:42] <delt> that might be the problem?
[06:43] <delt> the nv driver causing this problem?
[06:43] <veebull> delt: I've had similar problems off-n-on... I noticed on the ubuntu forums a number of threads where folks had problems with the current kernel and nvidia graphics, specifically regarding resume from sleep, after boot, etc.
[06:44] <veebull> delt: I don't recall the specifics, but I think they recommended passing specific parameters to the kernel on boot - you'd have to search the forums to find the details
[06:44] <delt> re?
[06:44] <delt> thanks, that was very helpful info
[06:45] <delt> *searches*
[06:45] <delt> also i should test with "nouveau" driver see if it also causes the same problem
[06:48] <veebull> not sure... I just saw it in passing when I was fighting with another problem (couldn't get past a black screen on startup using a USB stick install).  I think I was searching for 'black screen' or 'blank screen' - something like that.
[06:51] <delt> this is weird.... with "nouveau" the problem is similar, but xrandr --auto can reactivate the screen.
[06:56] <bekks> !nomodeset | veebull
[07:00] <veebull> bekks: thanks!
[08:13] <SunilJoshi> hello, where i can dpkg logs?
[08:14] <SunilJoshi> I am getting a black screen as soon as i perform sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:30] <starrats> good morning to all who might be awake
[09:58] <SunilJoshi> How can create shutdown and restart options on the desktop same as we have on the login screen in xubuntu14.04
[10:03] <starrats> SunilJoshi there are those options when you shutdown/restart on 14.04, what do you want to do?
[10:06] <SunilJoshi> starrats: i can see logout option but there is no shutdown/restart option in the menu
[10:07] <starrats> have clicked on the logout button?
[10:08] <elfy> not sure about on the desktop - but add Action Plugins to the panel if you want - then right click on it and you can set up the actions you want
[10:14] <xubuntu889> I'm just arrived at 14.04 lts. I like it much more than 12.04 I used for some years but I have some troubles
[10:16] <xubuntu889> First of all graphics: Some colour in certain area of the video, disappear. Only moving the mouse on there come out again but then they disappear again.
[10:18] <xubuntu889> Then I have trouble with the users. I have an external home where I have some users. I add it through the main menu, without the password to log, but when I try to log by them, the system ask me a password that of course is incorrect so I cannot access to my old profiles! :-(
[11:40] <xubuntu713> hi I could really use some help. I'm not that tech savvy but I do know a little. I have a Sony vaio VGN-NR120E laptop. it has xubuntu system installed and it used to work ok, but now it won't boot up. I try the f-11 key on boot up but it just keeps going going going with errors
[13:09] <cubed_root> i'm running xubuntu, but want to try out some of the other desktop environments (cinnamon & enlightenment).  this shouldn't affect my xubuntu installtion, right?
[13:09] <cubed_root> i'm running 14.04 i should also mention
[13:11] <cfhowlett> cubed_root nope.
[13:12] <cubed_root> thanks cfhowlett
[13:12] <starrats> cfhowlett is cinnamon available for xubuntu now?
[13:12] <cfhowlett> !info cimmamon
[13:12] <starrats> ah okay thanks
[13:13] <starrats> was just curious
[13:13] <cubed_root> bah -- why did i upgrade to 14 lol
[13:15] <starrats> cubed_root why do you say this?
[13:16] <cubed_root> because i've just had a couple of problems running 14 and i haven't had time to look into
[13:17] <cubed_root> and wanted to try cinnamon & enlightment and it sounds like i'll have to wait
[13:17] <cubed_root> i'm guessing all will be right in a couple months though
[13:20] <starrats> you can always put mint on vm or as a partition on your HDD, mint offers cinnamon.
[13:25] <cubed_root> yea i was thinking about doing this. i just made some space on my hard drive (made my windows partition smaller)
[14:36] <Azelphur> how do I stop the screen from locking on Xubuntu 14.04?
[14:37] <slickymaster> Azelphur, In Settings Manager -> Light Locker Settings
[14:37] <Azelphur> slickymaster: it's set to Never on both blank screen and switch off display, yet it keeps doing it
[14:39] <Azelphur> there's also power manager, which is set to never on AC, yet it still turns off
[14:39] <Azelphur> wondering if there's any more places to try
[14:41] <slickymaster> Azelphur, in the Light Locker Settings did you set the 'Enable light-locker' to Off?
[14:41] <Azelphur> no
[14:41] <slickymaster> do it
[14:41] <Azelphur> slickymaster: done, I have no lock screen now though haha
[14:42] <Azelphur> guess I'll install xscreensaver for that
[15:10] <xubuntu541> hello everybody, just installing xubuntu ...
[15:10] <xubuntu541> :)
[15:14] <might_get_loud> hi, welcome to the family
[15:14] <might_get_loud> :)
[16:10] <yerill> hi, have a question regarding blueman-manager.  i'm getting "Device added successfully, but failed to connect" when trying to use a bluetooth headset.  workd well when using 12.04 ubuntu with gnome-bluetooth, but not with xubuntu and blueman
[17:12] <dreamon> Hello. I have removed pulseaudio from Ubuntu 14.04. had audio problems. Now it works with alsa, but my panel dont have any volumecontrol anymore
[17:18] <xubuntu439> hoi, ik krijg mijn monitor dingus niet te zien .... probeer hem aan een externe door te kabelen
[17:18] <drc> dreamon: Looks like there's a "volumeicon-alsa", but I have <no> idea if it's anygoos, or even current.
[17:18] <drc> s/anygoos/any good/
[17:21] <drc> Everything else looks like pulseaudio related.
[17:21] <slickymaster> !nl ! xubuntu439
[17:21] <slickymaster> !nl | xubuntu439
[17:21] <dreamon> drc, pulseaudio is bad for me. skype sound is looping and microphone is not hearable
[17:23] <xubuntu439> thanks ubottu, .... my monitor controls have disappeared .. and i am trying to cable into a tv/monitor .... any hints??
[17:24] <drc> xubuntu439: ubottu is a bot, his help will be very limited :)
[17:24] <xubuntu439> aha
 try to install volti or xfce-volumed
[17:27] <drc> a_muva__: does volumed give one a panel widget or just the ability to use the multimedia buttons (say, on laptops) ?
[17:27] <a_muva__> xfce-volumed is an applet
[17:33] <drc> a_muva__: Not to get confrontational here, but "This is a volume keys control daemon for Xfce Desktop environment. It controls the volume using multimedia keys, for the card configured in xfce4-mixer."  I have it installed and can find nothing in "add Items" that even suggests adding a volume control to the panel.  What am I missing?
[17:38] <a_muva__> drc: try this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/230106/how-to-set-volume-in-xubuntu. if not just remove it.
[17:38] <drc> dreamon: You can always create a launcher and run alsamixer from it...really sub-optimal :(
[17:39] <drc> a_muva__: I have no problem, it's dreamon, and we thought alike on alsamixer :)
[17:40] <dreamon> nono.. I have a lot of issues since upgrad 12.04 to 14.04. Its just a little thing :)
[17:43] <drc> dreamon: the link a_muva__ gave references an xfce4-mixer...this might be another option.
[17:43] <drc> again, no idea, never used it, not installed
[17:47] <dreamon> xfce4-mixer -> does a good job. since removed pulseaudio a have no auto control on panel. but the panel also makes problemes. I cannot change positions on notifier, or hide. but thats next problem :)
[17:48] <a_muva__> dreamon: try to add Launcher
[17:51] <dreamon> hehe.. volti does a icon in Panel :)
[17:51] <dreamon> that rock. thanks!!
[18:42] <xubuntu155> Hi.
[18:43] <drc> hello
[18:43] <xubuntu155> I'm installing xubuntu 14.04 right now, what do you have?
[18:45] <xubuntu155> Szia.
[18:45]  * Unit193 looks at the channel name.
[18:46] <Unit193> Xubuntu! :D
[18:46] <drc> What!  I'm in the wrong place...darn!
[18:47] <xubuntu155> Lol.
[18:47] <xubuntu155> What did you think you were in?
[19:01] <eleventeen> On a scale from 1 to "compiling the Plan 9 kernel for a Raspberry Pi", how difficult would it be to upgrade straight from 12.10 to 14.04?
[19:02] <Unit193> Hard, or chance of success?
[19:02] <eleventeen> Info about both would be nice, if there's a difference.
[19:03] <Unit193> Easy to do, but it's unsupported (thus pretty much untested) and you don't get any magic done by do-release-upgrade.
[19:03] <Unit193> Could end up being more effort than just hopping a few versions.
[19:04] <eleventeen> Okay, which magics in particular are supposed to happen? Also, would going to 13.10 first keep the standard magic?
[19:05] <Unit193> I have no idea what do-release-upgrade does, I just know it does some things to try and make it as smooth as it can (marking some packages to be removed, keeping some, gracefully backing out, etc.)
[19:06] <eleventeen> Okay, so would going through 13.10 first make sure that stuff still happens?
[19:06] <Unit193> Yep.
[19:06] <eleventeen> Hmm
[19:09] <eleventeen> I guess since I won't be around long to troubleshoot issues on this compy, I'll just do the safe way.
[19:09] <eleventeen> Unit193: thanks
[19:11] <Unit193> Sure.
[19:31] <xubuntu902> Hi :)
[19:31] <drc> hello
[19:32] <xubuntu902> One questeion: where can I get informations about the colors used in xubuntu? There'd been a page on wiki.ubuntu.com but I can't find it...
[19:32] <knome> what colors?
[19:33] <xubuntu902> #000000 ...
[19:33] <drc> it's black
[19:33] <xubuntu902> Yes - there was a list which colors should be used on Xubuntu, Ubuntu ...
[19:33] <knome> in the logo or somewhere else?
[19:34] <xubuntu902> Yes
[19:34] <knome> yes to which one?
[19:34] <xubuntu902> Logo, Menu...
[19:34] <knome> the ubuntu color palette is at http://design.ubuntu.com/brand/colour-palette
[19:35] <knome> the xubuntu logo colors are specified in http://xubuntu.org/marketingresources/
[19:35] <xubuntu902> Thank you very much, knome :)
[20:24] <stepborc> I'm a onwer of a logitech K520 keyboard. Since a few days the mute and the volume keys stop working. has sombody an idea whats happend?
[20:31] <drc> stepborc: 1) They worked before? (I'm assuming yes) 2) Did they work Out Of The Box before? 3) You've changed <nothing> since they were working? 4) Do they work if you boot the live cd/dvd/usb?
[20:31]  * drc suddenly realizes that there is no more Live CD :)
[20:31] <knome> uhm?
[20:31] <drc> there is?
[20:31] <knome> well, no, but there is live DVD...
[20:31] <knome> :P
[20:31] <knome> why wouldn't there be live?
[20:32] <drc> I said " live cd/dvd/usb" then realized the "cd" was no longer valid :)
[20:33] <drc> shoild have been more specific.
[20:34]  * drc hopes knome is planning a well-earned vacation as soon as the reins are handed over?
[20:37] <stepborc> drc: yes they worked before. I update the system more or less daily. May an update change something. I think it's a good idea to try a live system.
[20:38] <knome> drc, let's see. i've taken breaks before, they are definitely for the best
[20:38] <drc> Before you go any further, I'd try that.  Come back and let us know and we can work from there.
[20:39] <drc> stepborc, not knome :)
[20:39] <knome> i get it ;)
[20:45] <stepborc> I will try it, but i think it's a kernel problem. On my parallel Manjaro 0.8.9 installation with kernel 3.10.xxx every key on th eK520 is working. Since Ubuntu 13.10 the for-/backward and play/pause key stopped working.
[20:46] <drc> 13.10?  " Since a few days" ?
[20:46] <stepborc> Sorry, not 13.10. Since 13.04.
[20:47] <drc> 13.04 or 14.04 ?
[20:48] <stepborc> The volume key stopped working a few days before. the other keys stopp there work earlier, but they are not really neccessary.
[20:48] <stepborc> 13.04
[20:49] <drc> I'm out
[20:52] <stepborc> why? the keyboard has a lot of multimedia keys. on the left there are the for-/backward/play keys. They stopped working on 13.04. I accept it. The keys on the right side (loudness) worked well.  That's  ok.
[20:55] <stepborc> by the way, i prefer (x)ubuntu. There are more support as on Manjaro.