[06:35] <christel> good morning lovelies
[06:56] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:10] <dwatkins> mornin all
[08:06] <BigRedS> Gooood Morning!
[08:13] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[08:14] <Myrtti> theres no proper tea here and I forgot my Yorkshires at home :-(
[08:14] <gord> you should get czajkowski to bring you some, that always works for me
[08:21] <mungojerry> who was complaining that they couldn't order from amazon due to the delivery company? i bought something yesterday and i saw a link for "pick up at one of these 11 delivery centres"
[08:22] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:24] <BigRedS> mungojerry: have you checked where those delivery centres are?
[08:25] <mungojerry> no, i thought it would only show me ones near me
[08:25] <gord> DTS are pretty good with amazon now, they even give me two hour periods in the day when the thing will be delivered
[08:26] <gord> uh, DPD not DTS
[08:30] <Laney> yeah, I got a text this morning saying when they expect it to come
[08:31]  * Laney is on edge about getting ninja carded though... 3 deliveries today
[08:31] <Myrtti> no respectable company would offer a job by emailing from a live.com-email address, right?
[08:31] <BigRedS> haha
[08:31] <BigRedS> mungojerry: my local one is in an Amazon distribution centre 45 mins away; I'm assuming laziness on their part :)
[08:32] <bigcalm> My new fountain pen and ink just arrived via royal mail. Yay \o/
[08:32] <bigcalm> I think I might have an addiction
[08:32] <bigcalm> A very slow but expensive one
[08:33] <gord> one click ordering, its a real problem
[08:33] <bigcalm> This wasn't via Amazon and I ensure that one-click is disabled
[08:33] <MartijnVdS> In 13.04: "One click" shopping... from the dash
[08:33] <bigcalm> Oh my
[08:33] <MartijnVdS> popey: ^ suggestion for amazon lens
[08:34] <bigcalm> Horrible horrible thought
[08:34] <Myrtti> Amazon is nice, I ordered a waterproof coat, nice looking wellies and an archeology trowel from there, the latter was an Amazon Prime purchase
[08:34] <Myrtti> no Amazon in Finland so I savour every moment in UK
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: doesn't amazon ship to .fi though?
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: .nl gets free shipping even though there's no ".nl" amazon
[08:36] <Myrtti> yup, but in most cases the shipping costs are a bit high
[08:36] <MartijnVdS> \o/ free super-saver delivery to .nl ;)
[08:37] <Myrtti> and I try to use .de for things I get to Finland and the language is teeniest problem there
[08:37] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: If I want electronics from Amazon, .de is my best bet.. but UK is fine for books, CDs, etc.
[08:37] <Myrtti> yeah.
[08:38] <MartijnVdS> and there are rumours that amazon.nl will open this month..
[08:38]  * MartijnVdS hopes
[09:03] <AlanBell> kickstarter + company credit card is a great combination
[09:04] <dwatkins> AlanBell: can I have a 3D printer please?
[09:06] <christel> yes! buy dwatkins a 3d printer from me (SHH - we're doing a build)
[09:09] <theopensourcerer> Sure. We'll buy you a printer if you purchase several thousand pounds worth of Free Software Consulting services services from us ;-)
[09:10] <dwatkins> Please define 'several', theopensourcerer ;)
[09:10] <theopensourcerer> That normally means more than a couple but less that loads
[09:10] <dwatkins> The 3D printer itself is about $3000.
[09:10] <dwatkins> I really like the look of it, but it's Kickstarter - you're investing in a startup company, bnot buying a product which will arrive the next week, of course.
[09:11] <AlanBell> you are not really, you are making a donation to a company mostly (well rewards are a bit of a payback)
[09:11] <dwatkins> ah ok
[09:12] <bigcalm> Venture capital without the VC having any stake in the company
[09:13] <AlanBell> exactly
[09:13] <AlanBell> the rewards that are pre-orders make sense
[09:13] <bigcalm> Yep
[09:13] <theopensourcerer> Potentially a Kickstarter project could offer equity I guess.
[09:13] <dwatkins> or just dinner and a movie
[09:14]  * AlanBell puts libertus Solutions on Kickstarter
[09:14] <theopensourcerer> "What do want?"

[09:14] <dwatkins> I hope that woman running away with people's money hasn't hurt Kickstart as a concept, it's been quite useful for some things.
[09:14] <theopensourcerer> "Money"
[09:14] <gord> kickstarter is supposed to be about giving little guys a leg up because you like the idea of what they are making and vc's won't take the risk. thats all pretty much gone now though, now its just people not knowing anything about traditional investment and just putting stuff up on ks by default
[09:14] <theopensourcerer> "When do we want it?"
[09:14] <theopensourcerer> "Now!"
[09:15] <dwatkins> gord: yeah, I gather they often reinvent the wheel in terms of manufacturing, though
[09:15] <AlanBell> as a way of financing development by pre-orders of finished goods it makes a lot of sense
[09:15] <gord> dwatkins, who does?
[09:16] <dwatkins> gord: some Kickstarter projects seem to go it alone in terms of how to produce their devices, I'm concerned they aren't being helped by existing manufacturers or companies who could assist with production
[09:17] <gord> eh, i think they all just get china to build the stuff like the rest of the world does
[09:17] <dwatkins> I've been impressed by the sheer number of updates from Nifty about their MiniDrive and the Elevation Dock.
[09:18] <dwatkins> I was tempted to get a Pebble watch, but they're quite expensive.
[09:18] <popey> dwatkins, not heard story of woman running off with kickstarter money?
[09:20] <gord> i think there was some other website that tried to do proper investment crowd funding, but it was really complicated and scary
[09:22] <dwatkins> popey: it's a compicated story, and it looks like I may have misjudged her: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/566429325/tropes-vs-women-in-video-games/comments vs http://newmediarockstars.com/2012/09/tropes-vs-women-do-anti-feminist-trolls-validate-sarkeesians-160k-windfall/
[09:24] <SuperMatt> does anyone know of any php page that I can download that'll give apache/nginx a run for its money?
[09:26] <AlanBell> SuperMatt: that will test PHP rather than the server
[09:26] <dwatkins> popey: the other thing about this Kickstarter project is that someone made a video apparently for free explaining many of the themes she discussed, but it seems the claims are false: http://www.reddit.com/r/antisrs/comments/10o665/anita_sarkeesian_on_the_front_page_of_reddit_in/
[09:27] <SuperMatt> AlanBell: do you know of anything that'll test both then?
[09:27] <dwatkins> I don't understand why it's so expensive to make a few videos discussing some topics many people are ery familiar with, perhaps she's interviewing celebrities.
[09:27] <dwatkins> *very
[09:28] <BigRedS> SuperMatt: there's a few tools for it; ab (apachebenchmark) and siege are pretty standard
[09:28] <BigRedS> you run them from a client, configure them to make X requests/second and/or Y requests at a time and/or for Z seconds and see what the server does
[09:28] <AlanBell> SuperMatt: the important thing is to understand the actual workload
[09:29] <SuperMatt> yeah, I know about ab, but I don't want to send back the basic "It works!" page, I'd like to send back something which may contain a few large images, maybe a couple of js and css files too, just to get the gist of how well it's running
[09:29] <Myrtti> dwatkins: 6000USD is expensive?
[09:29] <BigRedS> SuperMatt: why? What's teh problem you're trying to solve?
[09:29] <SuperMatt> I'm not trying to solve much, I just want to compare the stats for a "normal" site
[09:30] <dwatkins> Myrtti: not for a 3D printer :)
[09:30] <SuperMatt> comparing stats for a holding page doesn't really cut it
[09:30] <SuperMatt> it's not a "real" test
[09:31] <Myrtti> I should probably continue with the knitting and watching telly instead of getting trolled
[09:32] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:33] <shauno> depends what the expected role of the site actually is.  if you're just serving static assets (js/css/etc), a holding page is just as good
[09:33] <BigRedS> SuperMatt: there's not really such a thing as a 'normal' site. If you just want something that'll excercise 'stuff', I'd go with a Wordpress install or something
[09:36] <mgdm> +1
[09:36] <SuperMatt> BigRedS: Thanks, that's what I was thinking, I was just wandering if there's anything else
[09:41] <AlanBell> vtiger is a stressier thing on database and php interactions
[09:42] <AlanBell> probably the bit that the http stack does is insignificant in comparison
[09:44] <AlanBell> if you trace what it does rendering a page you can get stuff like this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/callgraphs/contact.png
[09:44]  * BigRedS was expecting a screenshot of an strace
[09:46] <BigRedS> AlanBell: I'm guessing the Apache vs NGinx was really caching nginx + apache vs just apache
[09:46] <AlanBell> probably, I am using php5-apc to make things faster, and did a lot of work optimising mysql queries so they are all indexed
[09:56] <mgdm> AlanBell: there's someone making a nicer UI for XHProf at http://xhprof.io
[09:56] <mgdm> AlanBell: might be worth keeping an eye on
[09:57] <bigcalm> mgdm: is drinking or hacking happening this Friday evening?
[09:57] <bigcalm> I am confused
[09:58] <mgdm> bigcalm: both
[09:59] <BigRedS> we have a customer who does that from time to time
[09:59] <bigcalm> I should work out where to park
[10:01] <bigcalm> It really surprised me that the Sunday is a half day thing. I guess I'm only used to oggcamp
[10:01] <mgdm> there's often a mass exodus of folk on the Sunday afternoon anyway
[10:02] <bigcalm> Anybody else in here attending phpnw12?
[10:03] <bigcalm> Guess not :)
[10:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:05] <mungojerry> can i use virtualbox to run a VM of my physical windows partition?
[10:05] <BigRedS> I bet the 'NW' in that doesn't refer to north-west London
[10:06] <bigcalm> BigRedS: no, not really :)
[10:06] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[10:06] <bigcalm> davmor2: going to the lug tomorrow?
[10:07] <mgdm> mungojerry: while I think it might be possible, the Windows install will get horribly confused by the complete change of hardware
[10:07] <mgdm> mungojerry: so I wouldn't recommend it
[10:08] <davmor2> bigcalm: maybe depends on what is happen but the 1286 emails this morning doesn't look like a good start to be honest ;)
[10:08] <bigcalm> Ho hum
[10:09] <bigcalm> davmor2: As I'm going to Manchester Friday to Sunday, I'm pondering saving my pennies
[10:09] <bigcalm> davmor2: I intend to attend on Thursday though
[10:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: so I was talking with alex and he doesn't think he can make it so unless gord and or mrevell are going I think it might be off
[10:10] <bigcalm> davmor2: that's fair enough
[10:11] <mrevell> davmor2, I'm in that there London tomorrow.
[10:11] <bigcalm> gord: what say you?
[10:11] <gord> gord no want to go anywhere this week
[10:12] <bigcalm> davmor2: see you in a month then
[10:13] <BigRedS> mungojerry: I've seen it done before. It's iffy and non-reversible AFAIK
[10:13]  * mungojerry takes the advice
[10:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: Sounds that way
[10:14] <mungojerry> tried to get chromium os running on my eee pc 701 , didn't work :(
[10:16] <bigcalm> Anybody here use MySQL Workbench?
[10:16] <dogmatic69> yes
[10:17] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: can you increase the size of the page?
[10:17] <bigcalm> In the model view
[10:17] <dogmatic69> yep
[10:17] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: how? ;)
[10:17] <bigcalm> Oh, now I see it :|
[10:17] <dogmatic69> file -> page setup
[10:18] <bigcalm> Model -> Diagram Properties and Size
[10:19] <dogmatic69> lol
[10:19] <dogmatic69> that crashed mine
[10:22] <bigcalm> Yeah, MySQL Workbench is a rather crashy thing in Linux
[10:22]  * bigcalm saves
[10:30] <bigcalm> I hate having connections overlapping
[10:33] <mungojerry> is there a decent gnome 3.6 ppa for 12.04?
[10:34] <Laney> I haz SSD! CPU! Graphics! RAM!
[10:34] <czajkowski> how to make a bunch of people very happy mid sprint, bring them a large curly wurly cake! and watch the finger licking begin!
[10:50] <gord> give me the cake
[10:50] <gord> don't let them have it
[10:50] <gord> why should they have it? why are they so special, give me the cake
[10:50] <gord> why are you not giving me the cake right now? >:(
[10:50] <hoover> hi folks
[10:52] <czajkowski> gord: cause they're webops and I plague em :)
[10:53] <czajkowski> gord: I bring you tea bags
[10:54] <gord> i want a curly wurly cake!
[10:54] <gord> no actually, i just want curly wurlys
[10:54] <gord> i'm gonna buy some curly wurlys at the shop and celebrate by eating them
[10:54] <czajkowski> gord: I just had to explain what they were to people
[10:55] <elfy> you had to explain what a curly wurly was ?
[10:55] <elfy> that's sad :p
[10:56] <gord> its a ladder of deliciousness
[10:56] <davmor2> elfy: they aren't all england and so many have been deprived
[10:56] <elfy> indeed - and I'm still not sure whether my hands are bigger or curly wurly's are smaller
[10:56] <elfy> davmor2: that's almost sadder :)
[10:58] <czajkowski> davmor2: this was to an enlgish guy as well as an aussie
[10:59] <davmor2> elfy: I blame their parents for not emigrating so they could have a better level of chocolatey goodness
[10:59] <gord> if you are english and do not know what a curly wurly is, you should have to give in your passport
[10:59] <elfy> ha ha ha
[10:59] <mgdm> or even British
[10:59] <mgdm> :)
[10:59] <BigRedS> I've not seen a curly wurly for a long time
[10:59] <BigRedS> @)
[10:59] <BigRedS> :(, even
[11:00] <elfy> I saw one yesterday
[11:00] <elfy> and then I didn't
[11:00] <BigRedS> haha
[11:06] <pinky-> at our local Co Op they sell Curly Wurlys in packs of ten, but they are much smaller then they used to be
[11:06] <pinky-> same with Wagon Wheels.. they seem a lot smaller too
[11:13] <BigRedS> should there be a release party listed here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk/events ?
[11:14] <czajkowski> BigRedS: ello
[11:14] <czajkowski> BigRedS: AlanBell is sorting that out
[11:16] <christel> AlanBell is such a slacker.
[11:17] <christel> (i have no idea what a curly wurly is) :o
[11:17] <BigRedS> czajkowski: g'morning!
[11:17] <czajkowski> BigRedS: not heard from you mister!
[11:18] <BigRedS> No! I've had one hell of a busy, er, many days... :(
[11:18] <BigRedS> will be doing that this evening, though. Finally caught up enough to be sorting out my calendar, so once I've no fear of the wrong person walking in midway through I'll be filling in some forms
[11:21] <czajkowski> any leadership folks here christel AlanBell https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/leadershipenvironment  mate is doing his masters
[11:21] <Laney> I often lead people to the pub, does that count?
[11:23] <czajkowski> Laney: yes you too
[11:23] <czajkowski> you're TB
[11:23] <czajkowski> or is it ARB
[11:23] <czajkowski> I mean DMB
[11:24] <Laney> D to the M to the B
[11:24]  * Laney makes a gang sign, yo
[11:24] <AlanBell> BigRedS: yes, the plans were a bit fluid but I will get that sorted out today
[11:25] <AlanBell> christel: yes, I am a slacker
[11:25] <BigRedS> AlanBell: cool, - I was just trying to find the date (which is elsewhere) and wondered if that was an omission or a broken something else :)
[11:32] <theopensourcerer> Curly Wirlies are fab
[11:34] <christel> AlanBell: i shall think of some appropriate punishment for your slacking
[11:38] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2006/detail/
[11:43] <Daviey> AlanBell: sadly, i'll be out of the country :(
[11:48] <BigRedS> whoop!
[11:48] <AlanBell> :(
[11:48] <AlanBell> Daviey: we will wait at the pub until you get back
[11:49] <Daviey> AlanBell: 19/10 14:30 LHR .. so it's not quite 24hrs.
[12:17] <Myrtti> here we go then.
[12:17] <Myrtti> http://www.reddit.com/r/fossworldproblems
[12:29]  * BigRedS subscribes
[12:30] <BigRedS> oh, actually, it's not as funny as britishproblems
[12:33] <BigRedS> I have a couple of Linux machines with no optical drives, and a Windows 7 ISO. Is there a sane way to get Windows installed on one of them (presumably with a USB key)?
[12:37] <diplo> Yes, with usb key.. I've not done it in a long time but defo doable
[12:37] <diplo> Think it's a lot easier now actually
[12:38] <diplo> http://www.intowindows.com/how-to-install-windows-7vista-from-usb-drive-detailed-100-working-guide/
[12:44] <mungojerry> any photography people ever try a telephoto lens converter to 2x the zoom?
[12:45] <shauno> have done, haven't done it since.  my el-cheapo 300 is soft enough as it is, and the combination reveals just how much coffee I consume
[12:46] <mungojerry> i'm taking moon photos shauno
[12:46] <mungojerry> wondered if it would help
[12:47] <shauno> can't hurt to try, but there's no way on earth it'll be handheld
[12:47] <mungojerry> i have a sigma 70-200 atm
[12:47] <mungojerry> current moon photos are like this: http://ubuntuone.com/2MHfeqb6XImqN4hQwNAl58
[12:48] <shauno> biggest problems I have with the teleconverter are that they're either soft, or ungodly expensive
[12:53] <mungojerry> i can't imagine a £10 converter is gonna do much for me
[13:04] <mungojerry> prob not worth it just for a clearer moon pic
[13:11] <czajkowski> popey: cheeky :p
[13:14] <popey> :)
[13:16] <Laney> hurry up afternoon
[13:16] <Laney> I want to play with my new toy!
[13:17] <dwatkins> popey: yhis is the video I was talking about earlier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxVtLGJFaVk - female characters in video games
[13:25] <dwatkins> s/yhis/this/g
[13:38] <davmor2> Laney: what new toy would that be
[13:38] <Laney> new PC
[13:39] <davmor2> Laney: so play with it already :D  I got a RP I want to have a play on at pyconuk but I've had no time
[13:39] <Laney> yeah got a bit of work to do sadly :P
[13:42] <davmor2> Laney: you are testing that the machine can be installed, up and to your working project within and Hour, keep a log of your steps report any bugs and keep all the timings and then it is work :)
[14:04] <davmor2> czajkowski: so what you up to tomorrow?
[14:07] <BigRedS> diplo: yeah, I came across that one earlier I think, but not sure what a Linux equivalent of the 'BOOTSECT.EXE /NT60 H:' step would nbe
[14:13] <Darael> ...Netcraft want to give me an Amazon voucher and a laptop bag for no good reason?  I love being a student!
[14:19] <mungojerry> Darael, can i get one?
[14:19] <diplo> BigRedS: No windows box to create it on at all ?
[14:19] <Darael> mungojerry: The College told me about it.  So I have no idea.
[14:29] <BigRedS> diplo: nope
[14:29] <BigRedS> diplo: I could just wait until I have one
[14:29] <BigRedS> just wondered if I could get away with not
[14:29] <diplo> BigRedS: unetbootin ?
[14:30] <diplo> http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/install-windows-7-from-usb-drive-requires-2-simple-steps/
[14:31] <BigRedS> oooh, I'd assumed unetbootin couldn't do it
[14:32]  * BigRedS clicks
[14:32] <BigRedS> coool, I'll try that
[14:32] <BigRedS> thanks!
[14:33] <Darael> unetbootin, getting more u every day.  It appears.
[14:37] <czajkowski> davmor2: working :)
[14:38] <davmor2> czajkowski: well incase I forget happy birthday :)
[14:39] <czajkowski> thank you
[15:15]  * dwatkins hands czajkowski a conical hat and a party popper
[15:16] <dwatkins> Many happy returns
[15:21] <czajkowski> good news http://blog.launchpad.net/general/burning-down-critical-bugs
[15:27] <Laney> mmm purple
[15:58] <FND> hi - I'm seizing the opportunity to migrate my mom to Ubuntu at last after her Windows system caught a nasty virus
[15:58] <MooDoo> hello all
[15:58] <MooDoo> long time no speak
[15:59] <FND> is there any danger in migrating existing (possibly infected) Thunderbird archives?
[16:01] <mgdm> if they're infected, there'll be no risk to the Ubuntu system
[16:02] <FND> worst case, there's some XULRunner vulnerability, right? but seems unlikely that a virus would target that and remain active cross-platform
[16:05] <mgdm> possibly
[16:05] <mgdm> you could maybe check out ClamAV and use that from Ubuntu to be sure
[16:05] <MartijnVdS> ♥ IMAP
[16:07] <FND> thanks, I'll look into that
[16:07] <FND> MartijnVdS: yeah, well ... if it was up to me, she'd use mutt
[16:29] <popey> gord, did you have to dance for beverages in South Korea? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgtijpUNKGo#!
[16:30] <gord> heh no, only saw that after i got back, i would of found it and never left if i knew about it there ;)
[16:54] <dogmatic69> anyone know of alternatives to 'open university' in the UK?
[17:12] <AlanBell> nom nom nom tomato juice
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: visiting popey? :)
[17:13] <AlanBell> dogmatic69: if you just want to learn stuff or get a qualification?
[17:13] <AlanBell> learning stuff -> Kahn accademy
[17:13] <MartijnVdS> KHAAAAAN
[17:13] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: I got popey into it!
[17:13]  * AlanBell was the trendsetter
[17:14] <AlanBell> Khan Academy even
[17:14] <AlanBell> they probably teach you to spell and everyfink
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> depends on what you want to learn really
[17:15] <RadiumCat> wot iz u lot bangin about
[17:15] <pinky-> I've forgotten my name, can I upgrade?
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> Speaking of learning... ;)
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> pinky-: your name is *scratchy sound* slim shady?
[17:24] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: learn stuff and get a piece of paper
[17:24] <pinky-> MartijnVdS: why am I slim shady?
[17:24] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: I already have loads of points on kahn accademy
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> pinky-: the other slim shadies are just imitating
[17:25] <AlanBell> dogmatic69: I think various universities do correspondence courses and part time things
[17:25] <dogmatic69> academy*, none for spelling though...
[17:30] <popey> speaking of which, my tom juice should have arrived today!
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> "tom juice" sounds worse than "tomato juice"
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> or dodgier, at least
[17:32] <popey> better than "Love juice" as i tweeted yesterday!
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> depends.. is it tom's love juice?
[17:32] <popey> Mister Lovebuckets incredibly sparkling tonic water
[17:32] <popey> nobody will get that film reference
[17:34] <AlanBell> http://static.userland.com/gems/jvb/mr-jolly.mr-jolly
[17:34] <popey> thats the one
[17:34] <popey> that is one of my fave films of all time
[17:35] <popey> i used to watch it over and over, from a VHS tape I recorded it on
[17:35] <popey> tape snapped eventually, and I fixed it with sellotape
[17:35] <popey> broke again :)
[17:35] <AlanBell> try doing that with your modern you tube things!
[17:36] <AlanBell> kids these days
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: yes mr wing commander
[17:53] <Bollinger> do AMD graphic cards work well with Ubuntu? I am looking at building a well specced new machine
[17:54] <Azelphur> Bollinger: depends on what your planning on using the machine for
[17:57] <Bollinger> software dev. multi screened. big monitors
[18:02] <AlanBell> as long as you have as many HDMI ports as monitors anything should be fine for that
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> go with intel
[18:03] <brobostigon> hislop on the one show. :)
[18:03] <dogmatic69> intel ftw
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> unless you really need the performance
[18:03] <AlanBell> intel works great for me too
[18:07] <Monotoko> guys, how do I report that an abuse email address isn't working? I keep getting strange confirmation messages in my email box generated from an IP that owns a very spammy looking site. I tried to send an email to the abuse address listed in the WHOIS but it bounced
[18:17] <popey> Monotoko, i wouldn't bother
[18:17] <popey> I'd just block/spamtrap it
[18:25] <Monotoko> popey, it's not sending me email itself... it's generating confirmation messages from other sites which are then sending me email... I blocked anything with the IP address it ("email confirmation generated by xx.xx.xx.xx") but some of them without the IP are still coming through
[18:25] <Monotoko> and I now have over 100 registrations on more spammy sites I haven't heard of -.-
[18:27] <Darael> Monotoko: Find out who's hosting it and send to /their/ abuse@ address?  There was a tool to find who was hosting things somewhere...
[18:28] <Darael> Monotoko: http://whoishostingthis.com
[19:04] <Azelphur> yay for Facebooks "add an answer" feature: http://i.imgur.com/gAerG.jpg XD
[19:04] <mgdm> IDGI
[19:06] <Azelphur> mgdm: XFire put up a vote asking people what the best console is, specifically not PC. Someone used the "Add an answer" feature on the vote to add "PC" as an option, and it's winning the vote xD
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> \o issyl0
[19:11] <issyl0> Hi!
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> you got your name back!
[19:12] <issyl0> I did!
[19:12] <issyl0> It's been a while!  ;-)
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> Busy learning things the official way? :)
[19:13] <issyl0> Busy full stop!
[19:15] <issyl0> How've you been?
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> Busy-ish.. installed wifi at a local car dealership
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> so people charging their electric cars can use the internet while they wait
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> and helped my brothers with a beer/wort cooler
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> (using an Arduino and a Pi)
[19:20] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: ooh, that was you!
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: what, the beer or the wifi? :)
[19:22] <AlanBell> http://brewpi.com/ this thing?
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: we built its predecessor
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: well, a clone
[19:22] <AlanBell> ah, nice
[19:23] <AlanBell> issyl0: coming to the Qantal release party in a couple of weeks?
[19:23] <issyl0> MartijnVdS: Cool!  :-)
[19:24] <issyl0> AlanBell: I've been hideously out of the loop with everything.
[19:24] <issyl0> AlanBell: So I probably should!
[19:24] <issyl0> Indeed, yeah, I should.
[19:24] <AlanBell> you should!
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> you should!
[19:24] <issyl0> OK.
[19:24] <AlanBell> 18th, in London
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> drink one for my birthday as well :)
[19:24] <issyl0> OK, that works.
[19:24]  * MartijnVdS will be 0x20 on the 18th
[19:24] <issyl0> I can do that then.
[19:25] <issyl0> MartijnVdS: Woo!
[20:21] <Neoti_Laptop> hey people.... been a while... hows peeps....
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmOTpIVxji8
[21:54] <dogmatic69> I broke my pc :/
[21:56] <brobostigon> nos da everyone, sleep well.
[22:27] <popey> dogmatic69, oh dear
[22:28] <bigcalm> Evenin'
[22:42] <popey> pip pip
[23:00] <jimbo_> can anyone help me with a wwan issue?
[23:01] <Darael> Someone may be able to, but we won't know for sure until thou sayest what the issue actually is!
[23:01] <Darael> Also at this time of night #ubuntu may be a better bet.  -uk is getting rather less active right about now.
[23:02] <jimbo_> hmmm, ok my wwan card isn't showing up in modem-manager, ifconfig, or iwconfig.  why is this?
[23:03] <Darael> Lack of drivers?  Does it show in lspci?  If so, is there anything about what drivers are in use, or it being unclaimed?
[23:03] <jimbo_> its in the lsusb output
[23:03] <jimbo_> and in the lsmod output
[23:04] <jimbo_> let me check to see if the drivers are in use
[23:04] <jimbo_> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 1410:a014 Novatel Wireless
[23:05] <jimbo_> that's all that I see there for the wwan card
[23:05] <jimbo_> nothing listed in lspci
[23:06] <Darael> No, if it's USB-connected it won't.
[23:06] <jimbo_> if it helps it's an embedded card
[23:09] <jimbo_> qcserial               12822  0
[23:09] <jimbo_> usb_wwan               20491  1 qcserial
[23:09] <jimbo_> usbserial              47077  2 qcserial,usb_wwan
[23:09] <jimbo_> above is what is loaded in lsmod
[23:11] <dogmatic69> anyone know why my fonts are strange? http://i.imgur.com/EBBVu.png
[23:12] <Darael> jimbo_: Which Ubuntu release art running?
[23:12] <jimbo_> 12.04 LTS
[23:12] <jimbo_> don't know how to do the red text you're using
[23:13] <Darael> Red text?  I shouldn't be using red text.
[23:13] <Darael> wait.
[23:13] <Darael> Ah.  It's thy client; because I started with thy nick, it sees it as a highlight and brings it to thy attention.
[23:14] <jimbo_> dogmatic69:  what's strange about the text?  i'm missing something
[23:14] <dogmatic69> jimbo_: that is not the usual font, its crap
[23:15] <jimbo_> dogmatic69:  i know this is a stupid suggestion but have you tried changing the font via Settings?
[23:15] <dogmatic69> http://i.imgur.com/9LOpm.png
[23:16] <dogmatic69> jimbo_: it was not like this a few hours ago. something has happened to nvidia I think.
[23:17] <jimbo_> dogmatic69:  ok well all i can offer you is luck because I've never had to use any nVidia drivers
[23:17] <jimbo_> dogmatic69:  I know you can try installing the "restricted drivers" package from software center
[23:17] <dogmatic69> that is why I use
[23:17] <dogmatic69> have been since 12.04b
[23:17] <Darael> jimbo_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1649139 is about the only resource I can find on that USB ID set.  Got there from a bug back in Oneiric...
[23:20] <jimbo_> Darael: I have the same laptop
[23:21] <jimbo_> Darael: the link as to how to fix 3g is broken
[23:21] <jimbo_> blah
[23:21] <jimbo_> its the one non-working thing on this lappy
[23:22] <Darael> I'm afraid I don't know.  I have no personal experience with it.
[23:23] <Darael> Try #ubuntu instead?  It's a lot busier, there's a good chance somebody in there will know.
[23:23] <jimbo_> Well you've been more help than the folks over at #ubuntu... i was told to quit asking the same question
[23:24] <jimbo_> one person did try to help but he thought i had meant the wlan card instead of the wwan
[23:26] <jimbo_> Darael: what IRC client are you using?
[23:27] <Darael> jimbo_: irssi.  In screen.  Although I mean to move from screen to tmux at some point.
[23:27] <BigRedS> I did that, it horribly broke my muscle memory for no discernible advantage so I moved back to screen
[23:28] <popey> what laptop is it jimbo_ ?
[23:28] <popey> is it by any chance a toshiba or dell?
[23:28] <jimbo_> popey: CR-48
[23:29] <popey> ahhh
[23:29] <jimbo_> lovely, right?
[23:29] <popey> i guess this is you... http://www.computersupportforums.com/showthread.php?tid=108396
[23:30] <popey> http://securit.se/en/2012/03/guide-sa-har-far-du-gobi-2000-wireless-modem-att-fungera-ubuntu-12-04/ seen that?
[23:30] <jimbo_> yes it is
[23:31] <popey> hmm, wrong modem
[23:31] <jimbo_> first link is me, checking 2nd link now
[23:32] <popey> never seen those devices, sorry
[23:32] <jimbo_> yea the "driver" im using is a Novetel driver
[23:32] <popey> http://www.chromeoslounge.com/cr-48-chrome-notebook/807-cr48-gobi2000-use-other-oses.html
[23:32] <popey> another possible thread
[23:33] <popey> sorry, I'm just googling, I dont know the answer, not tried any of these
[23:34] <jimbo_> its ok i've been googling for awhile myself and at one point using something called ChrUbuntu the card works
[23:34] <jimbo_> however i was still using the ChromeOS kernel, and to use that kernel i have to have ChromeOS instaled
[23:34] <jimbo_> the thing about these laptops is that it came with a 16GB ssd as the hard drive
[23:35] <jimbo_> not much room to play with
[23:35] <popey> is the cr-48 any good?
[23:35] <popey> good enough with chromeos?
[23:35] <jimbo_> thats a tricky question
[23:35] <jimbo_> yes and no
[23:35] <jimbo_> it's wicked fast, though it is "limited" with ChromeOS
[23:36] <jimbo_> as in i can't install/run native linux apps
[23:36] <jimbo_> i have to use googles proprietary apps
[23:37] <jimbo_> and if have no internet connection then the laptop itself is a paperweight
[23:37] <popey> sure
[23:37] <popey> but if you had home wifi or tethered to phone its okay
[23:37] <jimbo_> sure
[23:37] <popey> do the CR-48's get software updates like the new ones?
[23:37] <jimbo_> everything was done "in the cloud"
[23:37] <jimbo_> yes
[23:38] <popey> yeah, nice concept
[23:38] <popey> be ideal for my mum
[23:38] <popey> she basically lives in gmail, iplayer, youtube, facebook
[23:38] <jimbo_> well the only drawback I had to using chromeos was the lack of standalone apps for video chat
[23:40] <popey> you have to use hangouts basically?
[23:41] <jimbo_> pretty much
[23:43] <jimbo_> if your mom lives in the cloud then any chromebook would be good for her the cr-48 is a little outdated now and considering it's a prototype computer it may not be a good choice for her
[23:47] <popey> yeah


[05:10] <syn-ack> How long does it usually take for a package to hit the main server's repo once it's been built in Launchpad?
[05:10] <syn-ack> I'm waiting on a package respin and it's been about 35 - 40 minutes already
[05:10] <wgrant> In the primary archive?
[05:11] <syn-ack> yeah
[05:11] <ScottK> Another ~34 minutes
[05:11] <wgrant> The primary archive publisher only runs once an hour, so it could take nearly two hours for it to appear on archive.ubuntu.com if it was at just the wrong time.
[05:12] <syn-ack> ah, gotcha
[05:12] <ScottK> Generally the publisher starts at :03 and finishes at :45.
[05:12] <syn-ack> that's good to know. Thanks, guys.
[05:12] <ScottK> So if it's done by :03, it'll be available at :45.
[05:12] <syn-ack> right
[05:12] <ScottK> Except of course when it isn't.
[05:12] <syn-ack> heh
[05:13] <ScottK> There's two hours each night when the publisher doesn't run.
[05:13] <ScottK> I've forgotten what happens instead.
[05:13] <syn-ack> Which are which times?
[05:13] <wgrant> ScottK: Contents generation.
[05:13] <ScottK> Yeah.  That's it.
[05:13] <wgrant> It starts at 0400UTC, or maybe a bit earlier.
[05:13] <wgrant> So, now!
[05:13] <syn-ack> heh
[05:13] <ScottK> Which I'd also forgotten about when I mentioned how long you'd have to wait.
[05:14] <ScottK> So it's longer.
[05:14] <wgrant> 02 4 * * * /srv/launchpad.net/codelines/current/cronscripts/publishing/gen-contents/generate-contents >> /srv/launchpad.net/production-logs/lp_publish/      generate-contents.log 2>&1
[05:14] <ScottK> 1:31, AFAICT.
[11:04] <MTecknology> I just got notified that my request to import svn://svn.nginx.org/nginx/trunk was rejected... https://code.launchpad.net/~mtecknology/nginx/trunk
[11:05] <MTecknology> OH! I lied.....
[11:05] <MTecknology> Sender<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:05] <MTecknology> Your message was rejected
[11:12] <wgrant> Grar, not that again.
[11:14] <MTecknology> wgrant: sorry
[11:29] <maxb> lifeless proposed removing ~launchpad's contact address, but the thread fizzled
[11:30] <maxb> given that it's now spamming users, not only dev-oriented LP people, maybe it should just be done, since no-one objected
[11:44] <MTecknology> maxb: no objection here :)
[11:50] <maxb> MTecknology: svn://svn.nginx.org looks a bit wrong as am import URL :-)
[11:51] <MTecknology> maxb: ya, I tried to correct it to svn://svn.nginx.org/nginx/trunk
[11:52] <maxb> MTecknology: ok, suggest you delete https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mtecknology/nginx/upstream then
[11:52] <MTecknology> maxb: done
[11:58] <MTecknology> maxb: thanks :)
[11:58] <maxb> np
[11:58] <MTecknology> maxb: nginx finally has its dev branch public :)
[11:59] <MTecknology> maxb: oh... I actually did grab the whole repo.. svn://svn.nginx.org/  .. 2.9GB :P
[12:06] <MTecknology> short nap before work... ttyal
[13:46] <exarkun> is there some way to find out why a message posted to a launchpad mailing list was held for moderation?
[13:59] <DigitalFlux> Hi Guys
[13:59] <DigitalFlux> if i commented on a bug on launchpad that was marked as fixed, will the contributors/commentors on this bug be notified
[13:59] <DigitalFlux> ?
[13:59] <wgrant> DigitalFlux: Yes.
[13:59] <wgrant> exarkun: Looking.
[13:59] <DigitalFlux> wgrant: cool, thanks
[13:59] <jpds> DigitalFlux: If they're subscribed, yes.
[14:02] <wgrant> exarkun: Intriguing. There is a column on the table for the hold reason, but it doesn't seem to be used :(
[15:13] <Ursinha> anyone here willing to help with a really quick test? :)
[15:17] <Peng> Was that question the test? Did we pass?
[15:17] <Ursinha> :P
[15:18] <Ursinha> Peng, could you help me, please?
[15:18] <Ursinha> it's supereasy
[15:26] <Peng> Ursinha: The answer is probably no, but the answer is definitely no without knowing what you need.
[15:27] <Ursinha> Peng, I need to know what do you see when you go to https://translations.qastaging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gwibber/
[15:28] <Ursinha> if there's anything related with Sharing
[15:28] <Peng> What do you mean, exactly? And I'm not logged in.
[15:29] <Peng> OpenID++
[15:30] <Ursinha> Peng, that's a translation page
[15:30] <Ursinha> when logged in
[15:30]  * Peng has never used the translation system, ever.
[15:34] <Ursinha> hehe
[15:59] <CarlFK> if I upload something to my PPA dist=natty, is there a risk that changes in natty will break it?  (I think yes, just want to confirm)
[15:59] <CarlFK> or do the magic elves fix it in the night
[16:06] <cnd> abentley, thumper, jelmer: got a question on daily recipes
[16:06] <abentley> cnd: shoot
[16:06] <cnd> I was wondering how I could nest-part a debian packaging directory
[16:06] <cnd> but strip out debian/patches
[16:07] <cnd> because debian/patches includes cherry-picked patches that already exist in our trunk
[16:07] <jelmer> cnd: Hi
[16:07] <jelmer> cnd: I'd recommend merging in another branch that removes that directory
[16:09] <abentley> cnd: Or you can just create your own version of the packaging branch without the patches, and forgo the merge.  (which would mean you won't get further packaging changes from upstream until you manually update the branch.)
[16:43] <cnd> jelmer, abentley: sorry, got corralled into a phone call :)
[16:44] <cnd> jelmer, is it possible to create a dummy branch that deletes the debian/patches directory, even if the directory contents change?
[16:44] <cnd> or will that cause a merge conflict?
[16:46] <cnd> hmm... looks like it creates a conflict...
[16:47] <cnd> jelmer, abentley: and the run command isn't supported by launchpad's builder right?
[16:47] <abentley> cnd: yes, it creates a conflict, no the run command is not supported.
[16:48] <abentley> cnd: I think we might want to add a delete command, but there isn't one yet.
[16:50] <abentley> cnd: a compromise would be deleting the contents of the directory, but not the directory itself.
[16:51] <abentley> cnd: specifically, we run "bzr dailydeb" with the --safe flag.
[16:52] <cnd> abentley, ahh, then I can test it locally
[16:52] <cnd> thanks
[16:52] <abentley> cnd: no problem.
[17:19] <FloSoft> hi, how can I set/create a ppa for a project?
[17:20] <bigjools> You can't have PPAs for projects (yet), they're for teams and people.
[17:21] <FloSoft> bigjools: but can I set a people's ppa as an ppa link in a project somewhere?
[17:21] <bigjools> projects know nothing about PPAs, you can just link to it in the description.
[17:22] <FloSoft> okay
[17:28] <achiang> hello, i'm seeing a strange FTBFS that i've never seen before (and the package built fine locally in a pbuilder)
[17:28] <achiang> binmode() on unopened filehandle at /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/Substvars.pm line 145.
[17:28] <achiang> readline() on unopened filehandle at /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/Substvars.pm line 146.
[17:28] <achiang> dh_sameversiondep: cannot continue because package libphonon4 has no Depends field to scan
[17:28] <achiang> make: *** [common-binary-predeb-arch] Error 255
[17:34] <cnd> jelmer, abentley: when I try building my recipe, it errors out cause it can't find the orig tarball
[17:34] <cnd> is there something I need to specify to tell it to run uscan or to build a pristine tarball?
[17:34] <jelmer> cnd: recipes don't support non-native packages yet
[17:34] <cnd> oh...
[17:44] <FloSoft> how can i upload packages for multiple distributions?
[17:45] <FloSoft> if i write "natty maverick" in debian/changelog, launchpad does not parse that -.-
[17:54] <bigjools> FloSoft: you need to either upload different versions, one for each series, or upload one version for one series and then use the copy packages function in the PPA
[17:59] <FloSoft> bigjools: hmm okay, copy packages never worked for me (already published ...)
[18:00] <bigjools> FloSoft: it prevents you from shooting yourself in the foot by not letting you copy illegally.
[18:00] <bigjools> FloSoft: you can't copy the same version intra-archive unless you include binaries
[18:00] <bigjools> this is a restriction of pool-based repos like the Debian repo is
[18:01] <FloSoft> bigjools: oh okay hmm
[18:01] <FloSoft> so i have to create multiple versions for every distro?
[18:02] <bigjools> only if you want it recompiled on each, otherwise upload to one and copy with binaries
[19:13] <jussi> good evening all
[19:16] <jussi> Im just following up on an old todo for kubuntu, which was: Investigate status of bugzilla<->launchpad plugin for KDE. does anyone know if there has been any progress on that?
[19:18] <jussi> If someone does know, even very much later, please either PM me or email me: jussi01 at ubuntu dot com.
[19:18] <jussi> thanks!
[20:28] <tenach> Hello, I've recently changed my mainline branch externally and would like to change the mainline branch in Launchpad as well. I seem unable to do so, however (project: whube)
[22:04] <chichak> hi everyone
[22:05] <chichak> I already got an openid account from myopenid, so I do not want to create another one for launchpad use. How can I use that one?
[22:07] <mwhudson> chichak: you can't, sadly
[22:07] <chichak> why that?
[22:07] <mwhudson> it's not been implemented yet
[22:07] <mwhudson> it's a desired feature, but never made it to the top of the list
[22:11] <chichak> I see ... I already wondered if that was a policy, since on the FAQ is advertised that you can sign on everywhere else...
[22:54] <popey> is it possible to have a team/project which has "private by default" for new bugs?
[23:04] <sinzui> popey: projects can be configured to have bugs private by default. It is a commercial feature
[23:05] <popey> :(
[23:05] <popey> ok
[23:06] <maco> setting up a project for security bugs?
[23:06] <popey> no, just a personal project
[23:07] <lifeless> popey: its a commercial feature because projects that are operating behind closed doors aren't participating in the open source community
[23:07] <sinzui> maco: that is exactly the kind of project where we need to ignore the commercial rules. We all want security bugs noted as security issues (and private) until the issue is ready to be public
[23:07] <popey> its not technically an open source project
[23:07] <popey> we have no code
[23:08] <popey> we're just using the bug tracker as a ticket system because it works and has some nice features
[23:08] <popey> (not my selection, but hey)
[23:08] <lifeless> popey: you could file them all as security bugs
[23:08] <lifeless> but it won't stop other folk filing public bugs there
[23:09] <popey> I dont mind other people filing bugs there
[23:09] <popey> I'll ignore those ;)


[02:46] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: before translating, can we get the english text a bit better?
[02:47] <valorie> "Join the Kubuntu Users mailing list for a way to ask for help and exchange experiences with other Kubuntu users."
[02:47] <valorie> very clumsy
[03:03] <jarkko> there are kubuntu ninja updates?
[03:47] <ahoneybun> howdy valorie
[03:48] <soee> hiho
[03:48] <valorie> heh, ahoneybun
[03:49] <valorie> couldn't get into irc much yesterday at all
[03:50] <valorie> I guess what I did say never got through
[03:50] <ahoneybun> not really
[03:51] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, wants us to get the docs into a package, the english at least
[03:51] <valorie> yes, I saw that
[03:51] <valorie> I'll write to the docs folks in KDE
[03:52] <valorie> scarlett said she would talk to them, but I've not seen her around since she said that
[03:52] <valorie> oooo, I guess I'll write the list, there is still nobody in the channel
[03:52] <ahoneybun> the ubuntu-doc people said that littlegirl has control of the kubuntu-doc lp page
[03:53] <valorie> hmmm, she's sort of disappeared as well
[03:53] <ahoneybun> yea
[03:53] <valorie> she was going to take over when darkwing left, but that didn't take, I guess
[03:53] <valorie> I'm sure if you write her she'll turn it over
[03:53] <ahoneybun> someone in ubuntu-doc irc says it is best to remove the old docs in the page that ubuntu manages
[03:54] <ahoneybun> I got the email from someone in ubuntu-docs but it failed to send
[04:00] <ahoneybun> valorie, I would very much thank you for sending a mail to the list about the docs package
[04:00] <ahoneybun> I'm going to bed
[04:04] <valorie> sweet dreams
[04:04] <valorie> doing it right now
[04:14] <jarkko> when alpha 3 is scheduled?
[04:17] <valorie> according to OMGubuntu:
[04:17] <valorie> Beta 1 – February 27th (for flavours)
[04:17] <valorie> Final Beta – March 27th
[04:17] <valorie> Release Candidate – April 10th
[04:17] <valorie> With the final release scheduled for:
[04:17] <valorie> Ubuntu 14.04 LTS – April 17th
[04:18] <valorie> the wiki page doesn't open for me
[04:52] <jarkko_> valorie:  i just booted with kubuntu ninja updates seem fine
[05:01] <valorie> v. cool -- please drop a note to kubuntu-devel about your experience
[05:01] <valorie> since most people are in transit or asleep right now
[05:01] <valorie> and damn but freenode has been unreliable since the DDoS
[07:49] <apachelogger> bug 1132286
[07:49] <apachelogger> python oh this lovely python
[07:49] <apachelogger> ohoohohohoh python
[08:07] <Quintasan> Good morning
[08:10] <apachelogger> Tried to use kmail; failed to create SMTP job.
[08:10] <apachelogger> what does that even mean :@
[08:10] <apachelogger> Quintasan: yo
[08:11] <apachelogger> Quintasan: go update your card on trello please
[08:11] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Sir, I did.
[08:11] <apachelogger> peculiar that I have no mail
[08:12] <apachelogger> well it isn't as I am using kmail and kmail isn't that good at receiving or sending mails
[08:12] <Quintasan> apachelogger: There is a metric boatload of images there under different licenses.
[08:12] <apachelogger> which is funny considering it is a mail client
[08:12] <Quintasan> Which made me go "WTF
[08:12] <Quintasan> I'm so not doing that today"
[08:12] <apachelogger> you people all have the wrong attitude towards debian/copyright
[08:12] <apachelogger> probably all my fault
[08:13] <apachelogger> what with being so hard on you kids
[08:16] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Maybe I do but this is a serious case of PITA.
[08:17] <apachelogger> maybe you just don't see how to make it a not-pita :P
[08:17] <Quintasan> Also probably a good point but I don't see how many different files on different licenses are not a PITA
[08:17] <apachelogger> Can't open desktop-ppc64el: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/dh_germinate_metapackage line 78.
[08:18] <apachelogger> brintey is the bigger PITA I tell you
[08:18] <apachelogger> with copyright you just have to throw hard work at it and all will be good
[08:18] <apachelogger> then our supreme quality technology will go fufufufufufufufufufu piss off, not letting your version in
[08:19] <apachelogger> !find dh_germinate_metapackage trusty
[08:19] <apachelogger> right
[08:20] <Quintasan> I'll try doing it today though I have to go and pester my prof about why I did not pass his exam
[08:20] <Quintasan> Despite it being exactly the same as year ago and me having the answers
[08:20] <Quintasan> As 57 other people.
[08:20] <apachelogger> Oo
[08:21] <apachelogger> there's so much wrong with that statement
[08:21] <Quintasan> apachelogger: And you are trying to tell me that not even once you had exam questions before the actual exam?
[08:21] <apachelogger> yes that's what I am telling you
[08:22] <apachelogger> although I think the fact that it was the same exam is even more wrong
[08:22] <Quintasan> Well, the fun thing is that I know HOW to do them because I did them the day before.
[08:22] <apachelogger> that's a "don't give a f" on both ends
[08:23] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Well, he didn't change anything and I didn't entirely prepare for anything else
[08:23] <apachelogger> yeah, what I said
[08:24] <apachelogger> oh, eh Oo
[08:24] <apachelogger> kubuntu-desktop is in proposed even though it builds more archtiectures than before
[08:24] <Quintasan> Still, not entriely sure what went wrong there. Even if he knows that we have the question should not be a basis to use Random.nextInt() to generate grades :P
[08:26] <apachelogger> Quintasan: actually we had one of those sorts as well, there was a pool of 3 exam versions he'd give and then he'd simply fail random people with flimsy reasoning
[08:26] <Quintasan> Probably the same thing happened here.
[08:26] <apachelogger> I think universities are many degrees of pointless in most of europe
[08:26] <apachelogger> much like kmail which still refuses to "create a SMTP job"
[08:27] <Quintasan> apachelogger: My main problem is  that I need to have a degree to find a job here
[08:27] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: kubuntu-meta arm64/ppc might be in binary new
[08:27] <apachelogger> holding up cd image oversize fixes
[08:27] <Quintasan> Because your CV apparently looks OH SO MUCH better with a degree
[08:27] <apachelogger> you could always join the oldest profession there is
[08:27] <Quintasan> Heh.
[08:29] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Well, hopefully I can persuade him that mixing in Scala code in Java and asking someone if it's going to work is not a good idea for a question.
[08:30] <apachelogger> "it seems java is trying to eat your scala code, you might want to call the police"
[08:30] <Quintasan> If anything there is still second attempt at the exam left at Friday.
[08:32] <apachelogger> !find mysqldump
[08:32] <apachelogger> Quintasan: same questions? :/
[08:33] <Quintasan> apachelogger: From my information sources (people that are year older) - yes.
[08:33] <Quintasan> EXACTLY the same questions.
[08:34] <apachelogger> ...
[08:36] <apachelogger> debian bug #613718
[08:36]  * apachelogger blinks
[08:36] <apachelogger> debfx: who is supposed to run it then?
[08:36] <apachelogger> and more importantly why not discuss with upstream?
[08:38] <Riddell> ScottK: no I've not been tracking Qt 5.2 other than poking Mirv occationally
[08:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: debian added libhupnp-dev to kdelibs build conflicts, as far as I know it's mostly broken upstream
[09:07] <allee_> upnp
[09:13] <Mirv> ScottK: Riddell: everything is now building against Qt 5.2 (ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta2), practically all unit tests pass. the final hurdle is passing all autopilot tests so that there wouldn't be regressions.
[09:14] <Mirv> it's unfortunate it's not yet in. this week some people are sprinting to get the remaining bugs identified and fixed, I'm wishing them luck (and helping when Qt packaging needs more patches or such)
[09:15] <Mirv> I'll also separately build tomorrow's 5.2.1 and use that if it seems there are no regressions with that
[09:15] <Mirv> regarding Qt Declarative we're already using almost 5.2.1
[09:15] <Mirv> since V4 had a lot of remaining bugs in 5.2.0
[09:24] <Riddell> thanks Mirv
[10:19] <apachelogger> valorie: I am wondering how the doc export works for translations
[10:19] <apachelogger> do we have to do the export separately for each translation?
[10:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: am I on the wrong branch or is the casper bzr branch outdated?
[10:21] <apachelogger> ah, nevermind, found it
[10:21] <apachelogger> I think
[10:22] <apachelogger> Packaging branch status: OUT-OF-DATE
[10:22] <apachelogger> hah
[10:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: you didn't apparently :P
[10:27] <apachelogger> Packaging branch status: CURRENT
[10:27] <apachelogger> le fixed
[10:27] <Mirv> Riddell: how about the adding of ps-jenkins to ~kubuntu-packagers?
[10:30] <Riddell> Mirv: yes sorry, onto it
[10:30] <Mirv> thanks again
[10:32] <Riddell> voila
[10:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: I didn't what?
[10:38]  * Riddell adds testing shadeslayer's driver manager and reviewing apachelogger's API to the todo list of the day
[10:38] <Riddell> but first, the beast that is calligra
[10:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: push to casper bzr
[11:06] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: nope, I didn't see it in debian last night
[11:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: see what?
[11:49] <snele> Muon Discover seems to be broken on 14.04 (clean install of yesterdays daily)
[11:50] <snele> it shows no apps
[11:50] <snele> http://www.dodaj.rs/f/1Q/TZ/43Hky01w/snapshot5.png
[11:50] <snele> http://www.dodaj.rs/f/39/2z/20xpTPT8/snapshot6.png
[11:50] <snele> http://www.dodaj.rs/f/l/jS/4D4HfRYO/snapshot7.png
[11:51] <apachelogger> snele: does muon?
[11:51] <snele> muon package manager works well
[11:51] <apachelogger> peculiar
[11:52] <apachelogger> snele: is app-install-data installed?
[11:52] <apachelogger> does this help? sudo update-apt-xapian-index
[11:53] <snele> apachelogger: app-install-data is installed
[11:54] <snele> apachelogger: sudo update-apt-xapian-index doesn't help
[11:54] <snele> it says it is up to date
[11:55] <ghostcube> yep same thing here
[11:57]  * apachelogger checks if today's ISO install worked
[11:59] <apachelogger> also happens on a new install
[11:59] <apachelogger> fancy
[11:59] <Peace-> mmm guys why i can't do this ? dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest="org.freedesktop.UPower" /org/freedesktop/UPower org.freedesktop.UPower.Hibernate
[11:59] <apachelogger> snele, ghostcube: which packages were updated yesterday?
[11:59] <Peace-> i got this message on kubuntu
[11:59] <Peace-> Error org.freedesktop.UPower.GeneralError: not authorized
[12:00] <Peace-> for hibernate instead with susped no problems
[12:00] <Peace-> :s
[12:00] <apachelogger> because logind manages permissions
[12:00] <ghostcube> apachelogger: will check apt log
[12:00] <Peace-> apachelogger: but it's a bit strange that i can do suspend without problems instead
[12:00] <snele> apachelogger: ghostcube: how to check apt log? :)
[12:01] <apachelogger> Peace-: no it's not, AFAIK the way hibernation is disabled is through simply retracting permissions for it
[12:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: have you asked your resident solid maintainer on his views on using hupnp?
[12:02] <apachelogger> snele: /var/log/apt
[12:02] <Peace-> apachelogger: thank you for answer :D it sucks :P
[12:03] <ghostcube> apachelogger: hmm i got update from 01.02.2014 nothing special... and todays seem the same
[12:03] <ghostcube> what are you looking for?
[12:03] <apachelogger> Peace-: well, tell #ubuntu-devel
[12:03] <apachelogger> ghostcube: *what* was updated
[12:03] <Peace-> apachelogger: hahaha thank you but :D i guess i will not
[12:03] <ghostcube> apachelogger: will paste it moment
[12:04] <apachelogger> maybe muon 2.1.3 broke it
[12:04] <apachelogger> though I did not see any problems with it on saucy
[12:05] <apachelogger> it has the data
[12:05] <apachelogger> it just can't list anything for some reason
[12:07]  * apachelogger purges and tries
[12:08] <apachelogger> oh boy
[12:08] <apachelogger> ghostcube, snele: I think it's muon 2.1.3
[12:08] <ghostcube> ok
[12:09] <ghostcube> http://pastie.org/8697562
[12:11] <ghostcube> qrc:/qml/FeaturedModel.qml:24: SyntaxError: Unable to parse JSON string
[12:11] <ghostcube> if i start muon in terminal
[12:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I'll ask him over lunch
[12:12] <ghostcube> apachelogger: i post you the konsole text
[12:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/kde-sc/kde4libs.git;a=blob;f=debian/control;h=5274166f57b9133cdfeea476161ab7ea96c6a692;hb=HEAD#l61
[12:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no build conflicts on hupnp here too http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/kde-sc/kde4libs.git;a=blob;f=debian/control;h=15c899eb22a7cbf73d4f5fb6bc75c630d7d0c239;hb=refs/heads/kde4.11#l23
[12:14] <ghostcube> apachelogger: http://pastie.org/8697571
[12:14] <apachelogger> ghostcube: nothing useful ^^ already looked at it in my VM
[12:14] <ghostcube> hmm ok anything else i can tell you
[12:14] <shadeslayer> :(
[12:14] <shadeslayer> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55247264/kubuntu.pdf
[12:14] <jussi> its awesome to see things users send to our ML being worked on so quickly. you guys rock :)
[12:14] <shadeslayer> has old logo
[12:15] <snele> apachelogger: ghostcube: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1276129
[12:15] <snele> maybe title should be edited ;)
[12:20] <ghostcube> apachelogger: opened Dienstprogramme
[12:20] <ghostcube> file:///usr/lib/kde4/imports/org/kde/plasma/components/TabBar.qml:161:9: QML QDeclarativeItem_QML_45: Bei der fÃÂ¼r die Eigenschaft Ã¢ÂÂwidthÃ¢ÂÂ angegebenen Bindung wurde eine Endlosschleife festgestellt
[12:20] <ghostcube>   is this anything of interest?
[12:20] <apachelogger> no
[12:20] <ghostcube> damn...
[12:20] <apachelogger> snele: ghostcube: we already have a fix
[12:20] <ghostcube> oh ok
[12:20] <ghostcube> then i can stop strace lol
[12:21] <apachelogger>   Uploading muon_2.1.3-0ubuntu3_source.changes: done.
[12:21] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[12:22] <apachelogger> ghostcube, snele: builders are still busy, so that wont arrive until tomorrow or possibly even the day after
[12:22] <ghostcube> ok will check again
[12:22] <apachelogger> thanks for pointing out the bug
[12:26] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 1274626 has gotten a new upload to fix a regression
[13:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kvkbd/+bug/1276140
[13:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: where does one file syadmin tickets?
[13:04] <apachelogger> I seem to have forgotten all about it ^^
[13:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: sysadmin or archive admin?
[13:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: for that bug subscribe ubuntu-archive I think
[13:11] <Riddell> but mostly poke me
[13:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: canonical sysadmins
[13:12] <apachelogger> www.kubuntu.com doesn't forward to .org
[13:13] <Riddell> e-mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:16] <apachelogger> sent
[13:16]  * apachelogger doesn't wanna compile policies on the wiki :'<
[13:16] <apachelogger> moinmoin is so terribad
[13:17] <Riddell> compile policies?
[13:17] <apachelogger> make a page with all our present policies
[13:17] <apachelogger> bug triage, SC SRUs, coding style
[13:17] <apachelogger> there was a fourth, but I seem to have forgotten it already ^^
[13:18] <apachelogger> ah, patch policy
[13:18] <apachelogger> right now that stuff is all over the place and not being updated and there simply is no point of reference
[13:23] <Riddell> how to join teams would be good too
[13:23] <Riddell> when can you get into ~kubuntu-packager and ~kubuntu-ppa I always forget
[13:23] <apachelogger> ah
[13:23] <apachelogger> yeah
[13:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://trello.com/c/dW1BTbUG if you think of anything else just add it
[13:48] <apachelogger> "We will write a plasma applet to distribute on our beta installs which will ask questions for structured feedback on areas where we often revieve little feedback, notably translations and bluetooth. This should put its responses in a database over http which can them be easily queried so we can see where people are having problems. It should also prompt users to join the ISO testing team if they want to help check their problems in future
[13:48] <apachelogger> releases. "
[13:49] <apachelogger> I do wonder if we shoudl bring back something like this?
[13:50] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I moved the "Look into UFW GUIs" card in To Do because I10n still needs looking into
[13:50] <apachelogger> oh
[13:50] <apachelogger> that's why I started my VM again
[13:52] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: the outlook is not so good
[13:52]  * apachelogger grabs source
[13:52] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: where did you get the tarball from?
[13:54] <apachelogger> no translations present
[13:55] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: but the rest is all in progress so that card in general should be in progress
[13:55] <apachelogger> commented
[13:55] <apachelogger> needs string freeze and tarball rollign from git
[13:55] <apachelogger> supposedly the present tar is from kde-apps
[13:55] <apachelogger> which would explain why there is no localization
[14:05] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: have you asked upstream to do that?
[14:10] <apachelogger> we are upstream
[14:12] <Riddell> for ufw kde?
[14:15] <apachelogger> yes
[14:15] <apachelogger> upstream upstream didn't want to be so much upstream anymore
[14:22] <shadeslayer> agateau: ping
[14:23] <agateau> shadeslayer: pong
[14:23] <shadeslayer> agateau: my KMessageWidget seems to disappear if you hit the 'close' button
[14:23] <shadeslayer> as in, if I call show on it later on, nothing happens
[14:24] <shadeslayer> is there a way to avoid this?
[14:24] <agateau> shadeslayer: have you tried calling animatedShow() instead?
[14:25] <shadeslayer> nope
[14:25] <agateau> Should fix the problem I think
[14:25] <shadeslayer> agateau: yep
[14:26] <shadeslayer> I thought animated show was called when the system allowed that
[14:26] <shadeslayer> if not, it fell back to regular
[14:26] <shadeslayer> *to the regular showing of a widget without animations
[14:27] <agateau> no, you should always use animatedShow() and depending on the system settings it will be animated or plain-old show
[14:27] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:35] <shadeslayer> agateau: thx
[14:35] <agateau> you're welcome
[14:36]  * apachelogger conducts a blame investigation
[14:37] <apachelogger> 309 rohanga | usr/share/applications/kde4/contactthemeeditor.desktop
[14:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please take more care where you stuff new desktop files
[14:37] <apachelogger> kdepim r309 introduces an application that we do not want on the ISO to kaddressbook
[14:38] <shadeslayer> I asked in kdepim and they said that it was correct to put it in kaddressbook
[14:38] <shadeslayer> as a matter of fact, they said that it goes together with it
[14:39]  * apachelogger sighs
[14:39] <apachelogger> <- this is where the workspace mission is                                                                                this is what kdepim is doing ->
[14:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, Riddell: we now have headerthemeditor (primarily kmail) and contactthemeditor (primarily kaddressbook) ... thoughts on throwing them together into kdepim-themeeditors?
[14:40] <shadeslayer> that's what I wanted to do in the first place
[14:41] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/BQyFQrE.png
[14:41] <apachelogger> I totally see myself using that lots
[14:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: wanted to do that for headerthemeeditor already, alas seemed silly for just one ^^
[15:18] <kfunk> apachelogger: wtf is that? :P
[15:20] <apachelogger> kfunk: it's a contactthemeeditor is it not obvious: /
[15:20] <kfunk> let me rephrase: *why* the fuck?
[15:20] <kfunk> :P
[15:21] <apachelogger> well, I dunno
[15:21] <apachelogger> why was the mboximporter desktop file visible in 4.12.0
[15:22] <apachelogger> kfunk: let me revise my answer ... 42.
[15:22]  * apachelogger falls off chair and scuttles off
[15:23] <kfunk> heh
[15:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why didn't you call kde-developer kde-sdk :'<
[15:25] <apachelogger> agateau: are you going to do some ubiquity fondling this cycle?
[15:25] <shadeslayer> It  wasn't ever suggested? The suggestion was only for the name in the desktop file
[15:26] <agateau> apachelogger: I actually have a merge request waiting
[15:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: other than the comment I made on the card you mean? :P
[15:27] <agateau> apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity/kde-no-fullscreen/+merge/203105
[15:27] <apachelogger> agateau: https://trello.com/c/Mw5FBYpI adding a pattern to the resize partition painting might be nice ;)
[15:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity/kde-no-fullscreen/+merge/203105 plz be reviewing changes :P
[15:28] <Riddell> oh jings yes sorry
[15:29] <agateau> apachelogger: I can look into it if I find some time
[15:29] <apachelogger> agateau: would be cool, probably would take me longer as I have not used qpainter ever
[15:30] <apachelogger> in fact I only ever worked around qpainter because it was rubbish for painting video frames ^^
[15:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: should we kick kppp off the ISO?
[15:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: yeah I think so
[15:39]  * apachelogger creates card
[15:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, and is something from kubuntu-meta in the binary new queue?
[15:42] <apachelogger> it doesn't migrate from proposed but there are no problems according to the excuses file
[15:42] <apachelogger> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[15:43] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: plz reject kde-developer from new
[15:43] <shadeslayer_> in case you haven't already
[15:44] <apachelogger> oh oh
[15:44] <Riddell> meta-kde  is in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+queue
[15:44] <apachelogger> hm
[15:44] <apachelogger> why does meta not migrate then
[15:44] <apachelogger> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta
[15:44] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: plz reject kde-developer
[15:44] <apachelogger> most peculiar
[15:44] <apachelogger> it builds on all architectures etc.
[15:44] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger wants to call it kde-sdk
[15:44] <apachelogger> well
[15:44] <apachelogger> I just asked why not kde-sdk :P
[15:44] <apachelogger> or kde-developer-sdk
[15:45] <apachelogger> makes it more discoverable via apt-cache search IMO
[15:45] <shadeslayer_> and I don't have a reason for it not being called kde-sdk
[15:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: because it was stuck in New and I just rejected it
[15:45] <shadeslayer_> kde-developer-sdk is way too long
[15:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: that's meta-kde
[15:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am talking about kubuntu-meta
[15:46] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: can I upload with the same version?
[15:46] <shadeslayer_> or do I have to make a new one
[15:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: yes
[15:46] <apachelogger> since it was rejected the version never existed
[15:46] <shadeslayer_> cool
[15:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, kubuntu-full not happy on arm64 http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt
[15:46] <apachelogger> or
[15:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: no
[15:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: new version
[15:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: the source still exists
[15:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: only wasin binary new, not source new ^^
[15:46] <shadeslayer_> ok
[15:46] <shadeslayer_> mhmm
[15:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh the output, my eyes
[15:47] <apachelogger> no clue how ot read that ^^
[15:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: no it's hard to read, but it says that it can't install on arm64
[15:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: does it say why?
[15:48] <Riddell> armhf: karbon, kubuntu-full
[15:48] <apachelogger> ah
[15:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: so maybe it doesn't like karbon, which may get fixed when I finally upload this calligra compile
[15:48] <shadeslayer_> silly arches
[15:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: any idea why kf5 khtml doesn't compile https://launchpadlibrarian.net/164802227/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.khtml_4.95.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ?
[15:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: going to put down a card then to check again
[15:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: it complains about phonon HTMLVideoElement.h:29:32: fatal error: phonon/mediaobject.h: No such file or directory
[15:49] <Riddell> but it does -I/usr/include/phonon4qt5
[15:49] <Riddell> which does contain phonon/mediaobject.h:
[15:50]  * apachelogger squints
[15:50] <shadeslayer_> ohohoh
[15:50] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: we have a kdesdk as well
[15:50] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: phonon is stuck in proposed too I think
[15:50] <apachelogger> yeah
[15:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: phonon is stuck because the new package doesn't build on the excotic architectures because qt5 doesn't build on the excotic architectures
[15:50] <shadeslayer_> hurray for weird arch's we don't care about \o/
[15:50] <apachelogger> or didn't build there anyway
[15:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://trello.com/c/7YwMMClC
[15:51] <shadeslayer_> yep
[15:51] <Riddell> nah I put a version in kubuntu-ppa/experimental
[15:51] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: still want to call it kdesdk?
[15:51] <shadeslayer_> er
[15:51] <shadeslayer_> kde-sdk
[15:51] <Riddell> I wouldn't, too confusing
[15:52] <Riddell> I agree on kde-developer-sdk
[15:52] <shadeslayer_> not etoolong?
[15:52] <apachelogger> that's 3 tabs
[15:52] <apachelogger> or two maybe
[15:52] <shadeslayer_> *shrug* ok
[15:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: packaging bugged for phonon
[15:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6873688/
[15:54] <apachelogger> note how it places stuff in directories for some reason
[15:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: damn, well spotted
[15:56] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: uploaded new meta-kde
[16:00] <apachelogger> "www.kubuntu.com now redirects to www.kubuntu.org" yay
[16:01] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin, Riddell: did I already say something about how we need a migratino plan for moving kubuntu.org elsewhere? and talk to sysadmins about that entire thing etc
[16:01] <apachelogger> like how would that work with mail addresses and such
[16:01] <apachelogger> <- entirely doesn't know no nothing about domain stuff
[16:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: the MX can still point to canonical, no need to change mail
[16:02] <Riddell> just repoint the A record to our server
[16:02] <apachelogger> I have these words, before, I do not recall what they mean but I guess it makes sense :)
[16:03] <apachelogger> anyway
[16:03] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: I am thinking that if we redo the website we should use it as a chance to get our social networking story sorted, posting news to the site should also post it to accounts on twitter, facebook and g+
[16:03] <apachelogger> Riddell, ovidiu-florin: long story short, I think someone should create a board for the migration
[16:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: with domain names e-mail is unrelated to web :)
[16:03] <apachelogger> fancy
[16:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: regarding foward posts, I think wordpress can take care of that easily
[16:04] <Riddell> right
[16:04] <apachelogger> at least on wordpress.com I have the option to automagically post to twitter and facebook
[16:05]  * apachelogger notes that shadeslayer is very disconnecty today
[16:09] <apachelogger> jolly numbers: for 14.04 37 cards are in todo, 15 are being worked on, 33 have been finished, 6 postponed to +1, 8 abandoned
[16:09] <apachelogger> nice progress I'd say
[16:09] <evilshadeslayer> Riddell: stuff should start hitting binary new soon
[16:09] <evilshadeslayer> didn't it always?
[16:10] <evilshadeslayer> aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[16:10] <evilshadeslayer> buildd's don't have source lists
[16:10] <evilshadeslayer> causing kde-developer-sdk to not depend on so much stuff ...
[16:10]  * evilshadeslayer throws keyboards
[16:10] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: how does one update KDE l10n packages?
[16:10] <apachelogger> Riddell, yofel_, ScottK, evilshadeslayer, valorie: anyone desire for another mumble call before 14.04?
[16:10] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: core is being weird
[16:10] <evilshadeslayer> cuz https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/L10nOperatorGuide is non existent
[16:10] <evilshadeslayer> aha it's https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/L10nOperatorGuide
[16:10] <apachelogger> someone moved it
[16:11] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: oh, sec
[16:11] <apachelogger> hm
[16:11] <apachelogger> I thought I had a change
[16:11] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: does the branch have a recent commit from me?
[16:13] <apachelogger> oh, now I remember
[16:13] <apachelogger> language-pack somehow ties into kde-l10n-common for some weird reason
[16:13] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: nevermind, move along, the change is in the other branch
[16:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes if someone organises it, otherwise not fussed
[16:14] <evilshadeslayer> :)
[16:14] <Mamarok> apachelogger: about muon-discover: if you go by the bug count we should never install plasma or kde pim... May I suggest Amarok?
[16:18] <apachelogger> Mamarok: bug count in relation to exposure and size
[16:18] <apachelogger> e.g. phonon also has too many bugs considering the size IMO
[16:19]  * evilshadeslayer is up for it if we have anything to discuss
[16:19] <apachelogger> Mamarok: mh, please send a mail ... I am not sure we want to feature software that is already installed, no one made a case in either direction so far, you could totally get a discussion started on that ^^
[16:20]  * evilshadeslayer moves to pykde4 while l10n is building
[16:20] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: you might want to pull driver manager
[16:20] <apachelogger> that is to say: I could totally be convinced to feature softwar that is installed, after all the app is called discover ... OTOH I also could be convineced not to feature installed software because it adds little value for the user who already knows about it
[16:20] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: and then?
[16:21] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: thoughts on what to do with kde-developer-sdk then?
[16:21]  * evilshadeslayer is hungry again
[16:21] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: build and install?
[16:21] <evilshadeslayer> to make sure everything is exactly the same as before the refactor
[16:21] <evilshadeslayer> and to make sure you don't hit obvious bugs
[16:21] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: upload to archvie already then I'll tell you what is broken :P
[16:21] <evilshadeslayer> he
[16:21] <evilshadeslayer> heh
[16:22] <Mamarok> evilshadeslayer: when did you turn evil?
[16:22] <apachelogger> getting into QA mindset for one application is super exhausting, so I'd rather do it along with some other apps
[16:22] <evilshadeslayer> Mamarok: ever since we started supported exotic architechtures
[16:22] <Mamarok> started supported?
[16:23] <evilshadeslayer> *supporting
[16:23] <Mamarok> yxou back in Spain yet?
[16:23] <evilshadeslayer> yep
[16:23] <Mamarok> you*
[16:23] <Mamarok> cool
[16:23] <apachelogger> we always supported excotic architectures FWIW :P
[16:23]  * Mamarok was goig to say the same
[16:23] <apachelogger> in fact we used to support even more terrible ones ^^
[16:23] <Mamarok> going*
[16:23] <apachelogger> greetins from hppa
[16:24] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: madness
[16:24]  * apachelogger never quite figured out what sort of device used hppa cpus
[16:24] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: the same way we support LTS releases ;)
[16:24] <apachelogger> well, we don't explicitly support arm64 or ppc either
[16:25] <apachelogger> the new QA tech just makes them more annoying because they can block stuff for no good reason
[16:25] <evilshadeslayer> *nod*
[16:26] <apachelogger> in terms of actual supportedness we only ever focused on i386 and amd64 and arm, and latter didn't quite take off as much as I had hoped so that was quite a bit of wasted time I guess
[16:26] <apachelogger> anywho
[16:27]  * apachelogger fiddles a todo for tomorrow and moves on to other stuff
[16:28] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: if you have policy additions/requests whatever https://trello.com/c/dW1BTbUG
[16:29] <apachelogger> going to try to find motivation for writing/reorganizing this stuff tomorrow
[16:34] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger Riddell I was away for a while.
[16:34] <ovidiu-florin> Regarding cross posting, if the Wordpress CMS does not do that by default, there should be a plugin that can do that.
[16:35] <ovidiu-florin> I'll test that on my blog.
[16:35] <ovidiu-florin> any whay, I strongly insist on the necesity of the access to a webserver from the wordpress site.
[16:36] <ovidiu-florin> it can be a relay to a different one
[16:36] <ovidiu-florin> maybe pointed to an address like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:36] <ovidiu-florin> this is necessary so that the CMS can send notifications to the admins and editors.
[16:37] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: I don't follow, access to a web server?
[16:38] <ovidiu-florin> notifications include: warnings, updates available, new posts, comment moderation needed, etc.
[16:38] <ovidiu-florin> sorry, mail server, not webserver
[16:38] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: mmm okay
[16:39] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: mm, well yes we can do that, I've not set up a mail server in a while, any idea what the best software is these days?
[16:40] <Riddell> who won the postfix vs exim war?
[16:40] <ovidiu-florin> what is exim?
[16:40] <Riddell> an alternative to postfix :)
[16:40] <ovidiu-florin> I got that
[16:40] <ovidiu-florin> I answered with a question
[16:40] <Riddell> debian defaulted to exim4 at some point and defaulted to postfix at others
[16:41] <ovidiu-florin> I've worked a bit with mail servers... never heard of exim
[16:41] <Riddell> let's try postfix then :)
[16:41] <ovidiu-florin> I've heard of "other" mail servers, but postfix, was way to popular
[16:44] <Riddell> hi sgclark
[16:45] <Riddell> hi Affondo
[16:46] <sgclark> hello
[17:38] <shadeslayer> hm so upgrade to KDE SC 4.12.2 went fine
[17:38] <shadeslayer> but PW is crashing
[17:40] <Riddell> PW?
[17:40] <shadeslayer> plasma workspaces?
[17:40] <shadeslayer> or well, plasma desktop
[17:40] <shadeslayer> I've uploaded kde-workspace 4.11.6
[17:41] <shadeslayer> to build against KDE SC 4.12.2
[17:41] <shadeslayer> *fingers crossed*
[17:45]  * Riddell already has his fingers crossed for calligra to build
[17:46] <genii> I noticed lots of updates today. So far nothing broke here :)
[18:02] <BluesKaj> looks ok here as well
[18:03] <BluesKaj> except smb access suddenly stopped working
[18:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: got a moment?
[18:19] <Riddell> http://solydxk.com/  another KDE debian distro, wonder what it does that the rest don't
[18:19] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:19] <Riddell> ah it's Linux Mint Debian Edition KDE which was dropped, not Linux Mint KDE
[18:20] <Riddell> well good to know that the elegantly named solydxk fills that important gap in the market
[18:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Release blocked till 1273729 is fixed
[18:27] <Riddell> bug 1273729
[18:27] <Riddell> naughty Kubuntu Driver Manager
[18:28] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it's actually pretty decent now
[18:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kcmshell4 kcm-drivermanager  doesn't seem to do anything
[18:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kcm_driver_manager
[18:42] <shadeslayer> make sure you atleast have 0.0+git20140204+r18~630360f+2
[18:42] <shadeslayer> hm, no jte here
[18:43] <Riddell> no, he found a girlfriend :(
[18:44] <shadeslayer> well, he's replying on bug reports
[18:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you should fix Exec in kcm_driver_manager.desktop
[18:44] <Riddell> why Icon=office-chart-area-focus-peak-node
[18:44] <Riddell> ?
[18:45] <Riddell> oh taken from whoopsy kcm?
[18:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: should be fixed
[18:45] <shadeslayer> yep
[18:45] <Riddell> oh I have an old one 0.0+git20140129+r14~f914617+2~ubuntu14.04.1
[18:46] <shadeslayer> http://imgur.com/IRUVABY
[18:47] <Riddell> hmm, no change in 0.0+git20140204+r18~630360f+2~ubuntu14.04.1
[18:47] <Riddell> did you make fixes compared to that?
[18:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well I run it and it's a nice empty kc module
[18:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I hope that means my computer has perfect freedom in its hardware but it would be nice to have a label saying so
[18:49] <shadeslayer> not mahor ones
[18:49] <shadeslayer> *major
[18:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ah yes, okay
[18:49] <shadeslayer> plz file bug
[18:49] <shadeslayer> so that I don't forget
[18:52] <Riddell> guess that's all the testing I can do on this computer, I'll try the windows machine when I get to use it next
[18:53] <shadeslayer> cool
[18:59] <Riddell> sgclark: I put KF5 packaging in bzr, see post to kubuntu-devel mailing list
[19:06] <sgclark> Riddell: sorry have computer problems. will as soon as I can
[19:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: please QA 4.12.2 for trusty
[19:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: fixed your bug as well btw
[19:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you put an image of RMS on kubuntu-driver-manager?
[19:12] <shadeslayer> heh no
[19:12] <shadeslayer> boring old label
[19:13] <Riddell> shame
[19:16]  * Riddell cries as khtml fails
[19:20] <Peace-> poor Riddell
[19:20] <Peace-> :P
[19:21]  * Peace- uses konqueror for his bank
[19:21] <Riddell> one last upload to kf5!
[19:27]  * Riddell wanders home
[19:36] <Quintasan> apachelogger: top lols
[19:36] <Quintasan> "well, you go those with pattern matching wrong"
[19:37] <Quintasan> "Well, but Sir, I blatantly put down this code into the REPL and it spat out 'true, false, true'."
[19:37] <Quintasan> "Well, it's wrong."
[19:37] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ^ best exam ever.
[19:38] <Quintasan> HURR DURR
[19:38] <shadeslayer> Isn't it RHEL
[19:38] <shadeslayer> and not REPL
[19:39] <shadeslayer> unless you mean something else
[19:40] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: It's Scala REPL if I'm not mistaken.
[19:40] <shadeslayer> ah nvm
[19:40] <Quintasan> Anyways, I blatantly copypasted all six answers to check if I didn't make any mistake there. I did not, still no points
[19:40] <Quintasan> lol
[19:40] <shadeslayer> I thought you wanted to say RedHat EnterPrise Linux
[19:41] <Quintasan> I have to retake this magic on Friday
[19:41] <Quintasan> Bloody hell this is so frustrating.
[19:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so I suck at data structures and have come up with this shitty solution of emitting changed/unchanged http://paste.kde.org/p2e8d971c
[19:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: please advise on better solution
[19:44] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: well, atleast you didn't have to wait a year to retake it
[19:44] <shadeslayer> at my uni you had to wait for a year :/
[19:48] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Well, there is a second attempt that you get
[19:48] <Quintasan> If I fail that then I have to wait a year.
[19:50] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you can't appeal ?
[19:50] <shadeslayer> I mean your code ran fine did it not
[19:51] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: no no, the question was about pattern matching
[19:51] <Quintasan> ie. he gave you a function that uses pattern matching
[19:51] <Quintasan> and there were answers from a) to f) from which you were supposed to select the right ones
[19:52] <Quintasan> the functions yielded true if the argument matched the pattern and false if it didn't
[19:53] <shadeslayer> and you put it down in the computer and then ticked off the answers and your examiner said the computer was wrong?
[19:53] <Quintasan> more or less, I put it down in the computer when I got back home
[19:53] <shadeslayer> mhmm
[19:53] <Quintasan> then today he had his office hours so I went to ask him what the hell was wrong
[19:54] <Quintasan> WHY didn't I bring my damn pc with me is another thing
[19:54] <Quintasan> Well, anyways, he apparently gives the exactly same test on the second attempt so I SHOULD be able to pass it.
[19:55] <jarkko_> there are new packages, but why fglrx fglrx-amdcccle fglrx-dev are included?
[19:55] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: heh
[19:55] <Riddell> yofel_: I've got a nexus 10 from shadeslayer, do you want it?
[19:55] <jarkko_> i am not using any ppa for amd drivers
[19:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uhhh ... jussi expressed interest in it
[19:56] <shadeslayer> apparently he has access to magic
[19:56] <Riddell> oh jussi, I knew it began with a y, just forgot that eastern european pronounciation for j
[19:56] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:58] <Quintasan> kek
[19:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you please QA 4.12.2 from ninjas?
[19:59] <shadeslayer> plasma-desktop crashes for me
[20:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: installing
[20:06] <shadeslayer> ah ok, something weird with milou
[20:07]  * shadeslayer starts backporting
[20:15] <snele> apachelogger: I can confirm that Muon Discover works now :)
[20:16] <snele> apachelogger: I have also noticied that muon updater never pops up notification in systray about available updates
[20:17] <snele> even if you manualy check for updates
[20:17] <snele> and when you start it, it starts with wierd screen http://www.dodaj.rs/?3v/sb/428jJBqU/snapshot8.png
[20:23] <jussi> interesting news about Nvidia opening a mobile driver... http://linuxgizmos.com/nvidia-opens-tegra-k1-driver-wins-torvalds-thumbs-up/
[20:24] <shadeslayer> that is such a bad picture of Torvalds ....
[20:24] <jussi> Riddell: if there is someone who thinks they can do more with the tablet than me, feel free to pass it to them. I am not, and will not be a developer, I just have access to several people with an interest and I have an interest, so we can _try_ get things working.
[20:28] <Riddell> jussi: send me a postal address and I'll post it off
[20:48] <Riddell> davmor2: ping, what's your postal address?  I have a birthday present for Sue
[21:17] <Riddell> sgclark: all of KF5 compiled ༒
[21:25] <sgclark> Riddell: thank you, I will be of more help tomorrow, sorry
[22:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: 4.12.2 good for me on trusty
[22:18] <shadeslayer> awesome
[22:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: once I upload to trusty, I'll upload 4.12.2 for saucy/precise to staging
[22:19] <shadeslayer> ninjas has no space
[22:22] <mamarley> Wait, 4.12.2?  Where is that?  I don't see it in the PPA.
[22:28] <Riddell> it's in our secret ninjas PPA
[22:28] <Riddell> I can give you the details if you want to become a tester
[23:50] <Riddell> "[ubuntu/trusty] calligra 1:2.7.91-0ubuntu4 (Accepted)"  ༒
[23:50]  * genii makes more coffee
[23:53] <valorie> Riddell: what is that symbol? ༒
[23:54] <valorie> it changes the spacing of lines in my konvi display
[23:54] <mamarley> Riddell: That sounds cool!  How do I sign up?
[23:55] <tsimpson> valorie: TIBETAN MARK RGYA GRAM SHAD (U+0F12)
[23:56]  * valorie wikipedias
[23:56] <valorie> Riddell: are you becoming buddhist?
[23:56] <valorie> it's a beautiful mark
[23:59] <valorie> excellent! http://blogs.fsfe.org/myriam/2013/04/15/so-you-want-to-be-a-summer-of-code-student/


[15:25] <elopio> ping charles. Can you tell me a little about how the sound indicator knows if there is a headphone plugged in?
[16:21] <brendand_> elopio, in the clock app autopilot tests, the bottom edge tip is not getting grabbed, even with the same code as address-book-app
[16:22] <brendand_> elopio, if i put a sleep just before the drag action it works, so i think it's not getting time to reveal the tip
[16:22] <brendand_> elopio, the address-book-app code waits for action_item.enabled
[16:24] <balloons> oO.. I believe clock waits for focus
[16:25] <elfy> hi balloons
[16:25] <balloons> hai elfy
[16:25] <balloons> I hit the forums this morning! it's been awhile!
[16:25] <elfy> I saw
[16:26] <elfy> :)
[16:26] <balloons> you renamed the u + 1 subforum, took awhile to find it, haha
[16:26] <elfy> ha ha ha
[16:27] <elfy> balloons: we also don't close it post-release, it's been rolling for 3 releases now I think
[16:28] <balloons> yes, I do remember that. Which is nicer. It was confusing to have threads be cut off as it where
[16:28] <elfy> yea
[16:28] <elfy> we do shut them if people turn up post release assuming it's a 'support' thread
[20:28] <Letozaf_> balloons, hi
[20:53] <balloons> Letozaf_, hello
[20:56] <Letozaf_> balloons, do you think it would be ok to  take a look at gallery app and do the same for using the sample zip file I put in the content direcory for filemanager app ?
[21:03] <Letozaf_> balloons, no matter, I think I found how to do it...
[21:25] <balloons> Letozaf_, ok, sorry, a bit distracted :-)
[21:26] <Letozaf_> balloons, no problem :)
[23:13] <josharenson> What is the command to run a single unity8 qmltest? "$ make ?"


[06:58] <duflu> RAOF: Now happening in simple unrelated MPs?.... https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1524161
[07:02] <RAOF> Hm.
[07:02] <duflu> RAOF: Although the offending branch now landed.
[07:03] <duflu> Maybe not fixed fixed
[07:03] <RAOF> Hm.
[07:03] <RAOF> Maybe alan's ordering fix is insufficient?
[07:03]  * RAOF looks briefly, before EOD.
[07:13] <RAOF> Nope, nothing obvious.
[07:15] <RAOF> duflu: Alan's attempt to enforce ordering in that test is clearly insufficient, but I can't see why.
[07:15]  * RAOF → EOD.
[07:15] <duflu> EOD OK RAOF CU
[07:18] <anpok_> duflu: got a configureable high dpi mouse now..
[07:19] <duflu> anpok_: Cool. I found my cheap one that emits faulty clicks does 1000Hz OK. Surprisingly I bought a new Microsoft and that does not do 1000Hz (although it was advertised higher)
[07:20] <duflu> Oh, high DPI. I mean high event rate
[07:20] <anpok_> duflu: kind of both
[07:20] <anpok_> at least it claims so
[07:20] <anpok_> it can be configured via a hardware switch at the bottom.. and yeah only one of the low settings are useful in x11
[07:21] <anpok_> now i wonder if that change in resolution is advertised somewhere..
[07:22] <anpok_> oh there are three evdev devices...
[12:27] <Saviq> hey guys, any idea on ETA of Mir 18? just wondering if I shall wait or skip a qtmir landing for now
[12:29] <anpok_> i thought it was ready for qa yesterday
[12:30] <Saviq> is "QA Required" today, kdub mentioned there was a last-minute issue found
[12:31] <kdub> Saviq, I'm about to start testing for landing, issue is found
[12:31] <kdub> and fixed
[12:31] <Saviq> kdub, ack
[12:31] <kdub> so I'm hoping today, but I'll let you know if there are any additional delays
[12:31] <Saviq> kdub, ack, thanks
[15:21]  * camako is wondering what happened to irc.canonical.com
[15:22] <tvoss> camako, it's down
[15:23] <camako> tvoss, ok thanks..
[15:30] <kdub> i hope the irc outage doesnt affect the train
[15:59] <kdub> for some reason this song is stuck in my head ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg60Az10A_E#t=1m06s
[17:58] <kdub> is prodstack still down for everyone else?


[12:48] <BigFist> one thing bothers me about this whole ubuntu-tv, as i understand I need some sort of set-top box to use it? I cannot erase default tv "OS" - like Panasonic Viera and place ubuntu tv instead?
[12:51] <jhodapp> BigFist, where did you read that?
[13:05] <BigFist> well it didn't read this directly, i figured it out from this article: http://en.the-ghost.com/2012/01/how-to-install-ubuntu-tv-on-any-tv.html
[13:14] <jhodapp> BigFist, right now it'll run on anything, even your desktop computer
[13:20] <BigFist> yes, but can it run on like panasonic viera tv only ?
[13:24] <jhodapp> BigFist, no, I've not even heard of it running on that TV
[13:27] <BigFist> I'm thinking about buying a tv, I have no idea when I can expect ubuntu tv on the market so I would like to know what kind of tv should I buy so I will be able to "upload" ubuntu-tv "os" on it.
[13:28] <BigFist> but are there tvs with that option? Are there tvs on which you can upload ubuntu os? Or is it true in fact that if you want to have ubuntu-tv on your tv you need set-top box ?
[13:32] <jhodapp> BigFist, no, the idea was never really to put Ubuntu TV on a set top box
[13:32] <jhodapp> BigFist, it was to run it on your desktop and to ship it on smart TVs
[13:33] <jhodapp> BigFist, however, the project is in a state of flux, so I wouldn't buy a TV with hoping to put Ubuntu TV on it. It may happen one day, but right now that's uncertain
[13:38] <BigFist> ok, thx that clarifies some things
[13:38] <jhodapp> you're welcome
[19:28] <bobweaver> ping tgm4883  Hi there just got done reading logs from the past. tgm4883  you can use pyslide in qml but at this point it is only qml 1 but peps are porting it.  As far as learning c++. I myself started learning on thenewboston when I first started out. They have a IRC channel also. There is a kid there named somethingsnake He helped me out a lot when I first started working with C++ but he is troll(sometimes hard to tell) also so be care
[19:28] <bobweaver> ful.
[19:30] <bobweaver> If people come on here and say "I click on the cog to make it change form factors and it does nothing" make sure that they are installing all of the build deps for Unity 2d. Either that or somthing changed in Ubuntu 12.04 that is making it not work.  But it is working on my computer so I do not know.
[19:31] <bobweaver> jhodapp,  you are awesome have a good day /week /year/life peace out ! :)