[08:41] <alkisg> I don't understand why building ltsp works for everyone but not me, without manually running ./autogen.sh first.
[08:41] <alkisg> It fails to build on launchpad for me, it fails with local debuild -b -tc...
[08:41] <alkisg> The problem is in the final dh_clean, which deletes client/localapps/missing, and THEN tries to run `make clean`, and that fails because client/localapps/missing isn't there..
[08:41] <alkisg> I.e. I get the .debs and then it stops with an error
[16:54] <stgraber> alkisg: I always "export" the branch with mkdst to a temporary tarball, that way it runs autogen and any other needed action. I also never re-use a build directory.
[16:55] <alkisg> stgraber: wouldn't it be considered an error though if it doesn't build with just debuild?
[16:55] <alkisg> I also don't reuse a build directory, I run bzr clean etc before running debuild again
[16:56] <stgraber> yeah, it's certainly a bug, just not one any distro maintainer ever hits ;)
[16:57] <alkisg> OK, I'll try to find some fix for it...
[17:02] <alkisg> stgraber: ...but how did the ltsp-daily recipe work then? Does it run mkdst or autogen.sh?
[17:03] <stgraber> alkisg: IIRC the packaging for ltsp-daily has some changes in debian/rules to run the autogen
[17:04] <alkisg> Gotcha


[09:34] <Dom_> hi everyone
[09:34] <Dom_> I am a beginner in maas, and i'm trying to learn and understand the environment
[09:35] <Dom_> In the production environment, we have region controller, rack controller, postgresql
[09:35] <Dom_> can all of these exist in 1 server?
[09:36] <Dom_> and when deploying our first MAAS server, do we need to have 3 physical servers, or shall we use something similar to vm, and create 3 vm servers with these?
[09:36] <Dom_> 1 server ==> i mean physical server
[09:37] <Dom_> The reason I have the confusion, when we say bare metal, then that means that this is main os that should be installed, and not to run it in a vm, is that correct?
[09:39] <Dom_> Also, another question, MAAS does not create VMs
[09:46] <Dom_> anyone online?
[09:49] <Dom_> Guys?
[09:58] <Dom_> is there anyone experienced in maas online?
[10:40] <Dom_> do anyone at least know if I could install maas, juju on a single very large (spec) physical machine for production use?
[11:17] <mup> Bug #1733592 opened: Wrong MTU values for container's NICs <cdo-qa> <cpe-onsite> <foundations-engine> <juju:Triaged by wpk> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733592>
[11:26] <kiko> Dom_, yes, I do exactly that.
[11:27] <kiko> Dom_, in fact, our foundation architecture does that across 3 machines
[11:27] <kiko> Dom_, (it's early for the USA and also it's Thanksgiving week so bear with the delayed responses)
[11:27] <Dom_> Hi Kiko, thanks!!
[11:27] <Dom_> no, it's alright
[11:27] <kiko> you can use a single physical server for MAAS region and rack
[11:28] <kiko> for Juju, you can bootstrap into a VM on MAAS by using tags or specific placement
[11:28] <kiko> into a VM [on the MAAS node] I meant
[11:28] <kiko> MAAS does create VMs using it's new Pods feature
[11:29] <kiko> Dom_, https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/10/18/maas-kvm-pods/
[11:29] <Dom_> So I can understand, where does MAAS stand out from esxi for example?
[11:29] <kiko> MAAS itself isn't a hypervisor -- it's a provisioning tool
[11:29] <mup> Bug #1733592 changed: Wrong MTU values for container's NICs <cdo-qa> <cpe-onsite> <foundations-engine> <juju:Triaged by wpk> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733592>
[11:30] <Dom_> I've been into environments where we use esxi to split large physical machines into pieces
[11:30] <kiko> gotcha
[11:30] <kiko> so the KVM pods feature can do something similar
[11:30] <Dom_> Hmm
[11:30] <Dom_> We are trying to setup a cloud
[11:31] <Dom_> as a base, MAAS got our interest, so currently we have 1 large physical machine
[11:31] <Dom_> In the future, we are considering expanding the machines
[11:31] <Dom_> but is it correct that we deploy Ubuntu MAAS as primary OS?
[11:32] <kiko> correct, Ubuntu and then install MAAS
[11:32] <Dom_> And then from there, we advance through the pods feature which uses KVM
[11:32] <mup> Bug #1733592 opened: Wrong MTU values for container's NICs <cdo-qa> <cpe-onsite> <foundations-engine> <juju:Triaged by wpk> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733592>
[11:32] <Dom_> so MAAS technically replaces ESXi with better provisioning, am I correct?
[11:34] <Dom_> @Kiki, the reason I'm asking, we're not sure if we should install ESXi as a host, and then create 3 VMs for MAAS, or shall we just go directly for MAAS and let it handle what ESXi does?
[11:34] <Dom_> Kiko, the reason I'm asking, we're not sure if we should install ESXi as a host, and then create 3 VMs for MAAS, or shall we just go directly for MAAS and let it handle what ESXi does?
[11:38] <Dom_> Kiko, I'm asking from Virtualization perspective?
[11:38] <kiko> Dom_, I'm confused -- can you explain what you are trying to make happen?
[11:39] <Dom_> We want to host cloud services & applications, it might be also possible to host full vms, the company has dedicated a single large machine (from spec size) to use a test >> production, if successful, we may get more
[11:40] <Dom_> physical machines
[11:40] <Dom_> For us to setup this cloud correctly, we noted that MAAS takes care of the physical machine itself
[11:40] <Dom_> even though there is confusion about the capabilities
[11:41] <kiko> Dom_, you should get at least 3 machines to do a representative test
[11:41] <Dom_> In our environment, we would initially setup ESXi (kind of a very minimized bootable service) then create VM for Windows /or Ubuntu for example
[11:42] <Dom_> We are curious if we should really use MAAS directly instead of ESXi >> create VM for MAAS
[11:43] <Dom_> Kiko, the test here will be production like environment, then move forward to getting other machines
[11:43] <Dom_> Am I still confusing?
[11:44] <kiko> (I'm on the phone so hang in for my response)
[11:44] <Dom_> that's ok, tyt
[11:44] <Dom_> sorry...
[12:35] <Dom_> -.-
[14:00] <Dom_> kiko
[14:00] <kiko> I have long phone calls :)
[14:02] <vogelc> roaksoax: is there a way to increase the verbosity of the maas logs?
[14:11] <Dom_> i'm glad that the batteries lasted that long
[14:21] <roaksoax> vogelc: rackd.log, maas.log is as verbose as it could be. regiond.log can be more verbose for http requests
[14:21] <roaksoax> e.g. from the API
[14:21] <vogelc> ok
[14:22] <vogelc> roaksoax: have you explored using iPXE instead of pxe?
[14:38] <mup> Bug #1732980 changed: MAAS incorrectly PXE boot UEFI/legacy boot <hp-proliant-dl380-g9> <maas> <pxe-boot> <uefi> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732980>
[15:50] <mup> Bug #1733900 opened: [2.3final, UI] Machines that have failed testing don't have an error icon <2.3qa> <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733900>
[16:41] <roaksoax> vogelc: yes, not a priority atm although we have some implementation proposed there for VM's so far
[16:42] <roaksoax> vogelc: also, ipxe breaks RFC's
[17:46] <heyya> is it possible to use Powerdns with maas?
[17:49] <roaksoax> heyya: in what way ? instead of bind ? nope
[18:09] <mup> Bug #1733923 opened: [2.3, HWTv2] badblocks test has 17 badblocks, but test shows as passed. <MAAS:Triaged by ltrager> <MAAS 2.3:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733923>
[20:03] <mup> Bug #1087183 changed: MaaS cloud-init configuration specifies 'manage_etc_hosts: localhost' <amd64> <apport-bug> <cloud-installer> <landscape> <quantal> <MAAS:Fix Released by rvb> <pyjuju:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1087183>
[21:00] <mup> Bug #1733592 changed: Wrong MTU values for container's NICs <cdo-qa> <cpe-onsite> <foundations-engine> <internal> <juju:Invalid by wpk> <MAAS:Invalid> <MAAS 2.3:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733592>
[21:00] <mup> Bug #1733945 opened: MAAS should warn loudly when it detects mismatched MTU settings <cdo-qa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733945>
[21:09] <mup> Bug #1733947 opened: MAAS should allow status transistion from FAILED_DEPLOYMENT to DEPLOYING or COMMISSIONING <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733947>
[21:18] <mup> Bug #1733947 changed: MAAS should allow status transistion from FAILED_DEPLOYMENT to DEPLOYING or COMMISSIONING <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733947>
[21:25] <heyya> roaksoax: I'm running MAAS in vmware.  is it possible to use juju charms to deploy windows 10?
[21:30] <mup> Bug #1733947 opened: MAAS should allow status transistion from FAILED_DEPLOYMENT to DEPLOYING or COMMISSIONING <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733947>
[21:45] <mup> Bug #1395904 changed: Need access to curtin install logs from past deployment <oil> <MAAS:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1395904>
[21:57] <mup> Bug #1395904 opened: Need access to curtin install logs from past deployment <oil> <MAAS:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1395904>
[22:03] <mup> Bug #1395904 changed: Need access to curtin install logs from past deployment <oil> <MAAS:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1395904>
[22:15] <mup> Bug #1733947 changed: MAAS should allow status transistion from FAILED_DEPLOYMENT to DEPLOYING or COMMISSIONING <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733947>
[22:23] <trdillon1> Hello. I get lshw script failed with status: 139 during every commission
[22:23] <trdillon1> So they all fail
[22:23] <trdillon1> Any ideas what causes this?


[16:27] <Maik> Can someone please stop Deano59 from calling people names and being annoying in the support channel? The guy doesn't seem to know when enough is enough. I and others would appreciate it. Thanks in advance.
[17:33] <el> which one?
[17:52] <Maik> el:  It was mostely in #ubuntu where he tends to post nonrelevant replies and the name calling was in offtopic, calling us idiots last week and me a loser today.
[17:52] <Maik> However we solved the problem with eachother.
[17:56] <el> ok


[16:17] <BLZbubba> i'm trying to use a tagged vlan on a bridge, and it doesn't come up when i reboot but if I run "netplan apply" after booting it works.  is there a way to have netplan bring up vlan tagged interfaces during boot?
[16:17] <BLZbubba> apart from something gross like: echo "netplan apply" >> /etc/rc.local


[20:03] <mr_steve> anyone got any recommendations for a good netbook for school? Must be Ubuntu-compatible, of course.
[20:08] <tonyyarusso> I'm using an Asus Eee PC 1000 myself
[20:11] <mr_steve> I'll check that one out for sure then. Asus Eee pretty much started the whole netbook thing, didn't they?
[20:12] <tonyyarusso> Well, OLPC did, but Asus commercialized it.
[20:13] <mr_steve> True
[20:15] <mr_steve> I think I just need something with an excellent battery life, and large-enough SSD. And reasonably priced, since it's coming out of my student loan
[20:17] <mr_steve> Acer Aspire One looks pretty good too. Cheap enough. No SSD though.
[22:51] <Takyoji> Is there such a thing as distros for the BSD variants?
[22:52] <Leaf> more then NetBSD, FreeBSD, BSD, etc. ?
[22:53] <Takyoji> Yea
[22:53] <Takyoji> Like saying is there distros of OpenBSD or FreeBSD, etc
[22:54] <Takyoji> Or is the code difference between BSD variants not that big?
[22:55] <Leaf> I don't know.. sorry
[22:56] <Takyoji> Because to my understanding is that in the Linux world, the only thing that varies between distros is what software the Linux kernel is shipped with (and what minor version branch of Linux).
[22:57] <Takyoji> Whereas BSD variants seem to be different modifications of the original BSD kernel, rather than different software packages shipped with it's kernel.
[22:58] <Takyoji> After all, I'd like to poke around with OpenBSD, considering that it would accomodate my fashionable tinfoil hat.
[22:58] <Takyoji> with the features of BSD jails and so on..
[23:00] <Takyoji> which Linux currently doesn't have
[23:00] <Takyoji> of being able to have a sandboxed X11 application
[23:01] <Takyoji> applications*
[23:22] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji, mr_steve: Could one of you please make sure that the web site has a prominent link to the mailing list with a heading along the lines of "Contact Us" some time tonight?
[23:23] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: Your answer btw is yes.  To start with, OpenBSD is a fork of NetBSD, and they all share a common root, so you could say that even the big three are distros of the same thing.  Beyond that, there are also things like DragonflyBSD, which is aimed at clustering, and Freesbie, which is a FreeBSD Live CD.
[23:24] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: also, when making your generalizations, remember the existence of Debian/kFreeBSD :P
[23:24]  * tonyyarusso runs to class
[23:36] <mr_steve> tonyyarusso: added a "Contact Us" heading to the main page, with a mailing list link.


[20:21] <popey> Some people here may remember playing on this minecraft server... https://popey.com/blog/2023/09/waking-up-a-sleeping-minecraft-server/
[20:22] <popey> I even found the logs where we discussed it here. https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/01/24/%23ubuntu-uk.txt  :D
[20:40] <penguin42> blow the dust off
[20:47] <zxmpi> that's not dust, that's congealed magic smoke :-P


[14:31] <slyon> o/
[14:31] <cpaelzer> omw
[14:31] <cpaelzer> give me 2 min to start
[14:32] <didrocks> hey
[14:32] <sarnold> good morning
[14:33] <slyon> hey! It's going to be my first MIR meeting, as I want to join the team for foundations.
[14:33] <didrocks> welcome slyon :)
[14:33] <slyon> :)
[14:33] <cpaelzer> ok let me get this started
[14:33] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
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[14:33] <ddstreet> o/
[14:34] <cpaelzer> ping for MIR ddstreet didrocks doko slyon sarnold jamespage
[14:34] <cpaelzer> #topic Review of previous action items
[14:34] <cpaelzer> I have sent around some thoughts about rust, but that isn't an "action" yet
[14:34] <cpaelzer> I'd love if all of you could give that a review or if you are ok just an "ack" on the mail itself
[14:34] <sarnold> thanks for the reminder
[14:35] <slyon> will do
[14:35] <cpaelzer> if you want an open discussion about it please let us do so at the end in the "any other business" section
[14:35] <didrocks> will do
[14:35] <cpaelzer> ok
[14:35] <cpaelzer> then heads up and for the log file now
[14:35] <cpaelzer> slyon:  here will be our new MIr team member from foundations
[14:35] <cpaelzer> he will help out where doko couldn't make it
[14:35] <sarnold> welcome slyon :)
[14:35] <cpaelzer> and he will start with adsys which shall make didrocks happy I hope
[14:35] <didrocks> \o/
[14:36] <slyon> o/ yes. I already prepared the adsys MIR, which I'd like to get reviewed/approved by some of you folks..
[14:36] <slyon> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HhTKzRJSDQ/
[14:36] <cpaelzer> but first of all (there isn't that much of a process, but I need to ask) - any objections that we include him
[14:36] <sarnold> wfm
[14:36] <didrocks> no objection either
[14:36] <cpaelzer> slyon: In can give your MIR-review a review tomorrow morning and let you know if I'd change anything
[14:37] <cpaelzer> I've taken a TODO for it
[14:37] <slyon> thanks
[14:37] <cpaelzer> in general to all of you, you know how it works - initially slyon will do reviews like each of us, but probably ask one of us if it is ok. Give him the favor of checking his work
[14:37] <cpaelzer> that way he can fully grow into the team
[14:38] <cpaelzer> about rust - once we have some discussions / acks in place I can (as promised) go further with it as suggestes by Steve
[14:38] <cpaelzer> now let us start the actual MIR content for today ...
[14:38] <cpaelzer> #topic current component mismatches
[14:38] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[14:38] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[14:38] <cpaelzer> mostly known false positives
[14:39] <cpaelzer> sarnold: weekly question for fence-agents review?
[14:39] <sarnold> cpaelzer: weekly answer, slightly more positive this time :)
[14:39] <cpaelzer> just FYI we updated the documentation already that talks about the package split and the promotion to main happening
[14:39] <cpaelzer> so the docs say you have done and hopefully ack'ed it in time :-)
[14:39] <cpaelzer> python-oslo ?
[14:40] <cpaelzer> I think I remember we talked about it, let me check the referenced MIR bugs
[14:40] <cpaelzer> Hmm
[14:40] <cpaelzer> no opend 5 days ago
[14:40] <cpaelzer> it is new and will be assigned in a later stage of the meeting as usual
[14:40] <cpaelzer> jamespage: or did you plan to review them anyway?
[14:40] <cpaelzer> that is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-oslo.metrics/+bug/1943143
[14:41] <cpaelzer> and python-cheroot was added to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-cheroot/+bug/1930111
[14:41] <cpaelzer> but that already is on security
[14:41] <cpaelzer> sarnold: is this tracked wherever you track the incoming reviews
[14:42] <cpaelzer> and BTW nothing else in mismatches to be concerned about
[14:42] <sarnold> cpaelzer: python-chroot yes, python-oslo.* no
[14:42] <cpaelzer> slyon: remind me on monday to tell you the story behind false-positives
[14:42] <sarnold> python-cheroot rather. silly name.
[14:42] <slyon> ack
[14:42] <cpaelzer> sarnold: that is ok then, oslo needs to go through MIR review first
[14:42] <cpaelzer> #topic New MIRs
[14:42] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:43] <cpaelzer> 3 (kind of) bugs to review
[14:43] <cpaelzer> we have oslo (actually two packages)
[14:43] <cpaelzer> in
[14:43] <cpaelzer> in
[14:43] <cpaelzer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-oslo.metrics/+bug/1943143
[14:43] <cpaelzer> anyone wants to take that?
[14:43] <cpaelzer> and we have libportal in
[14:43] <cpaelzer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libportal/+bug/1932485
[14:43] <cpaelzer> that needs a review as well
[14:44] <didrocks> I think libportal is desktopish, I can take that
[14:44] <cpaelzer> it is indeed
[14:44] <cpaelzer> your experience there is appreciated
[14:44] <cpaelzer> jamespage: did you intend to deal with oslo yourself
[14:44] <sarnold> "Note that there is a question on whether the API is stable at this point" .. is this really a candidate for 22.04 main?
[14:44] <cpaelzer> jamespage: and is thie urgent (21.10) or has time (22.04) ?
[14:45] <cpaelzer> indeed sarnold
[14:45] <cpaelzer> didrocks: please give some extra scrutiny to how maintainable that seems
[14:45] <cpaelzer> if it has only one user, maybe - but if many components use it and it is unstable I'm not sure ...
[14:45] <didrocks> will do
[14:45] <sarnold> good point
[14:46] <cpaelzer> assigned - thanks
[14:46] <cpaelzer> oslo then
[14:46] <cpaelzer> that should be fast, depsite being two libs
[14:46] <cpaelzer> I can have a look
[14:46] <cpaelzer> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[14:46] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:47] <cpaelzer> egl-wayland we did last week
[14:47] <cpaelzer> and rust is the bug for the discussion that is in your mail inbox already
[14:47] <cpaelzer> nothing else newly incomplete that  needs our action
[14:47] <cpaelzer> #topic Any other business?
[14:47] <cpaelzer> ok, open stage this is your chance if you have to adress anything
[14:48] <slyon> Can we change the assignee of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adsys/+bug/1936907 to myself? I do not seem to have sufficient permission
[14:48] <didrocks> slyon: mind if we take 5 minutes post-meeting so that we address the first comments?
[14:48] <cpaelzer> doko added you to the team, so you should
[14:48] <cpaelzer> bit I can in any case
[14:49] <cpaelzer> done slyon
[14:49] <slyon> thanks cpaelzer
[14:49] <slyon> sure didrocks
[14:49] <cpaelzer> good suggestion I'll close for the logs to finish
[14:49] <cpaelzer> and then we can do a quick read of the RFC he linked
[14:49] <cpaelzer> anything else?
[14:49] <sarnold> nothing from me
[14:49] <didrocks> nothing either
[14:49] <slyon> nothing
[14:49] <cpaelzer> ok already thanks to all of you
[14:49] <cpaelzer> #endmeeting
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[14:50] <didrocks> thanks!
[14:50] <sarnold> thanks cpaelzer, all :)
[14:50] <slyon> o/
[14:50] <cpaelzer> now let us have a look at the pastebin I guess
[14:50] <schopin> is the discussion about rust public?
[14:50] <cpaelzer> schopin: not yet in detail
[14:50] <cpaelzer> onyl that it happens
[14:50] <schopin> OK, I'll wait for the movie then :)
[14:50] <cpaelzer> we need to ensure we are sort of in sync before anything goes public yet
[14:50] <cpaelzer> or we will discuss-rip apart each other without much benefit for anyone
[14:51] <cpaelzer> other than movie like entertainment
[14:51] <schopin> Oh I was just thinking public as in read-only.
[14:51] <cpaelzer> sorry schopin the show will happen at a later point in time :-)
[14:51] <didrocks> slyon: ok, so, let’s go in order, some are good recommendations/required, some needs more comments :)
[14:51] <didrocks> required TODOS:
[14:52] <didrocks> -> Please add a team subscription (~desktop-bugs?). This has been amended and there is a check before promotion by archive admins
[14:52] <didrocks> (it’s desktop-packages btw for desktop)
[14:52] <cpaelzer> it is still recommended to subscribe upfront but no more strictly required
[14:52] <didrocks> indeed
[14:52] <didrocks> -> dh-apport build-dependency needs to be promoted to main (src:apport already in main)
[14:52] <slyon> oh i see, I wasn't aware of this
[14:53] <slyon> I wasn't sure about dh-apport either, are build-depends required to be in main?
[14:53] <didrocks> this is a build-dep and for a few cycles, we don’t require build-deps to be in main. The only exception is when you staticalliy compile ofc, as the code will be in main
[14:53] <cpaelzer> slyon: re-read our ruls, if it is unclear propose a change next week - ok ?
[14:53] <cpaelzer> we all might do it from memory
[14:53] <didrocks> (and as the code will be executed)
[14:53] <slyon> cpaelzer: will do
[14:53] <slyon> makes sense, didrocks
[14:53] <cpaelzer> ack to the build-dep only being in main when static linking
[14:54] <didrocks> 3rd Required TODO: ack, is it in the wiki? (my bad), I really like the wording :)
[14:54] <didrocks> if it’s not in the Wiki, we should definively write it there to be explictely stated
[14:54] <slyon> it is in the wiki
[14:54] <cpaelzer> it is there
[14:54] <didrocks> should take back from a fresh template sometimes, my bad then. I’ll add it in the initial comment
[14:55] <cpaelzer> this does not ahve to go to main "adsys-dbgsym"
[14:55] <didrocks> yeah, that was my final one, spoiled!
[14:55] <cpaelzer> unless there is an explicit dependency to it
[14:55] <didrocks> :)
[14:55] <cpaelzer> sorry didrocks
[14:55] <didrocks> :p
[14:55] <didrocks> Recommended TODOs:
[14:55] <slyon> OK
[14:55] <didrocks> - Make autopkgtests pass (it's not a regression as the autopkgtests passed never before)
[14:55] <didrocks> well spotted, my bad, it’s working on 10 machines, on VM and on CI in docker and non docker
[14:56] <didrocks> I never thought autopkgtest wouldn’t pass, it seems some issues with the filesystem, I will check
[14:56] <didrocks> - Add debian/watch file
[14:56] <slyon> yeah... autopkgtest infrastructure can provide a funny environment sometimes :)
[14:56] <sarnold> heh :)
[14:56] <cpaelzer> didrocks: maybe the nrew rule applies that if tests won't work at buld/autopkgtest time that you link and show examples of regular tests in other places?
[14:56] <didrocks> cpaelzer: well, I would prefer really that we fix them
[14:56] <cpaelzer> oh yeah I'd "prefer" that as well
[14:56] <didrocks> it helps to have others not breaking you also
[14:57] <didrocks> like a new Go :)
[14:57] <cpaelzer> just saying if it can't be fixed there, do not end up saying "no" but consider another place to run them
[14:57] <didrocks> yeah
[14:57] <didrocks> we can relax that, it’s recommended anyway, not required, which is okish IMHO. But not how I like to approach it for my projects :)
[14:58] <didrocks> on d/watch -> this is where I have to disagree, this is a native package, built from the upstream VCS. There is then no such thing as "upstream tarballs"
[14:58] <didrocks> so nothing to download from
[14:58] <cpaelzer> one thing - the sudo rule "use of sudo, gksu, pkexec, or LD_LIBRARY_PATH" is meant for the delivered packages
[14:58] <slyon> ugh, you're right! good spot
[14:58] <cpaelzer> not the tests
[14:59] <didrocks> yes, that one as well ^
[14:59] <cpaelzer> it isn't a problem if the tests internally sudo (still your hint at needs_root is great)
[14:59] <cpaelzer> but in terms of "rules" having it in the tests isn't a problem
[14:59] <slyon> ack
[14:59] <cpaelzer> a silend sudo or setuid in what we install OTOH would be a problem
[14:59] <didrocks> (anyway, the package is using policykit, have a daemon running as root, listening on unix socket, the security review is still needed)
[14:59] <cpaelzer> I have to run for a meeting, sorry
[14:59] <cpaelzer> o/
[15:00] <didrocks> thanks cpaelzer, we will finish up and if you want to scrollback then… :)
[15:00] <didrocks> well, last one is special for golang:
[15:00] <didrocks> missing-notice-file-for-apache-license
[15:00] <didrocks> -> this is in vendor/
[15:00] <didrocks> what go mod vendor does it vendoring dependencies (btw, it’s better at eliminates uneeded deps in 1.17, which we don’t have yet)
[15:00] <didrocks> and by design, it’s not copying LICENSE file, just code
[15:01] <didrocks> I think a lintian warning is needed there
[15:01] <sarnold> eww
[15:01] <didrocks> sarnold: my debian/copyright is fun to complete, as you can guess :p
[15:01] <sarnold> didrocks: yeah :/
[15:02] <didrocks> hardening-no-pie -> I think this is something general in Go packages
[15:02] <sarnold> didrocks: is it common in goland to use spdx headers in files to describe licenses?
[15:02] <didrocks> I prefer to not override it in a lintian warnings
[15:02] <slyon> I need to double check in vendor/. as that hint was provided by lintian when doing a test build
[15:02] <sarnold> yeah, I think golang is just funny there and doesn't emit pie with any amount of effort :(
[15:02] <didrocks> sarnold: I don’t think so, some have headers, some will never use them
[15:02] <slyon> ok
[15:02] <didrocks> sarnold: should I keep the lintian warning in, or is it something we will never be able to do?
[15:02] <didrocks> I think upstream is not interested in support PIE?
[15:03] <didrocks> supporting*
[15:03] <sarnold> didrocks: bummer. at some point I wouldn't be surprised if supplying to the US govt requires far more "software bill of material" things, and having those all throughout might make that approachable.
[15:03] <didrocks> yes
[15:03] <slyon> IMO you can keep the lintian warning in
[15:04] <slyon> as I saw that as a recommendation only
[15:04] <didrocks> I don’t like too many warnings either, because when they start piling up…
[15:04] <didrocks> :)
[15:04] <sarnold> didrocks: if we do silence it, a TODO or XXX nearby to ask it to be reviewed every year or two would be nice ;)
[15:04] <didrocks> but yeah, let’s do that for now
[15:04] <didrocks> ok, let’s not silence it
[15:04]  * sarnold <-- always the optimist
[15:04] <didrocks> just the license one
[15:04] <didrocks> hehe, I will blame you if I still see it in a couple of years
[15:04] <didrocks> personnally ofc :)
[15:04] <sarnold> :)
[15:04] <sarnold> naturally :)
[15:04] <didrocks> (and if I remember!)
[15:05] <didrocks> slyon: I guess that’s mostly it? Did I forget anything?
[15:05] <slyon> nope. that's it.
[15:05] <didrocks> (I think the bigger task is the autopkgtest one, I’ll do an upload in a week with fixes anyway)
[15:05] <slyon> Thank you so much for your feedback! I will update the RFC accordingly and wait for cpaelzer's feedback, before sending it to LP
[15:05] <didrocks> and thanks for spotting because, as it was never blocked and the tests are running in so many places, I never even double-guess this was always failing
[15:06] <didrocks> thanks!
[15:06] <didrocks> yeah, double check with cpaelzer, as I’m part of it, better for him to be around so that I don’t try to bend it my way too much :p
[15:06] <slyon> heh
[15:08] <didrocks> (I think the autopkgtests are chmod that don’t work, like when we try to trigger errors with unable to write to a file and in setup(), we chmod the file to make it RO first )
[15:08] <didrocks> is it something known? It rings a bell but I’m not sure I haven’t dreamt it
[15:09] <slyon> doesn't ring a bell here
[15:11] <didrocks> yeah, all failing tests are FHS related when we try to trigger edge error cases with chmoding file to make them RO, I will try in autopkgtests VM
[18:58] <mdeslaur> \o
[18:58] <rbasak> o/
[18:59] <sil2100> o/
[19:01] <rbasak> #startmeeting Technical Board
[19:01] <meetingology> Meeting started at 19:01:04 UTC.  The chair is rbasak.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[19:01] <rbasak> #topic Action review
[19:01] <rbasak> ACTION: Wimpress To follow-up on-list with design review to address MATE Boutique security/consent concerns.
[19:02] <rbasak> Previous discussion here
[19:03] <rbasak> Is there anything actually actionable by the TB any more here?
[19:03] <mdeslaur> we need to figure out who's in charge of MATE I guess
[19:03] <rbasak> I'd like for the TB to either drop this, or specify exactly what the TB needs to do :-/
[19:03]  * vorlon waves
[19:03] <rbasak> o/
[19:04] <mdeslaur> as I recall, the MATE boutique enables a PPA?
[19:04] <vorlon> I don't remember if it's a ppa or an archive external to LP; but it's not under Ubuntu governance
[19:04] <rbasak> Right, and I think it's agreed that this will be fixed, and how, but there's been no movement or ETA in many months/years AIUI.
[19:05] <vorlon> right
[19:06] <rbasak> I'm not sure if we want to actually do this, but the only way I can see to get this to move is for the TB to mandate a deadline after which MATE cannot ship as an official flavour unless/until this is fixed. Either that, or we drop the matter and let MATE continue as they wish.
[19:06] <vorlon> well, I was going to say either a deadline for not being a flavor, or an upload to remove this behavior
[19:06] <mdeslaur> I don't think we should let them continue
[19:06] <vorlon> I agree
[19:07] <mdeslaur> a deadline sounds appropriate
[19:07] <rbasak> With Impish imminent, how about we set the requirement for J?
[19:07] <sil2100> I would be +1 on removing the behavior, but I still hope we'll get some news back from Wimpy
[19:07] <rbasak> So let Impish slide, but it's a hard requirement that this isn't a problem in J, otherwise it doesn't ship officially.
[19:08] <mdeslaur> I agree to that
[19:09] <rbasak> If flavour leads object, I'd be opening to them discussing alternatives with us. But setting the default position will help get some conclusion on this I think.
[19:09] <rbasak> sil2100: opinion?
[19:09] <rbasak> As in, are you +1 also?
[19:09] <sil2100> I'm +1, just was trying to read some backlog to figure out - is this behavior with the boutique in impish right now?
[19:10] <rbasak> That's the impression I have. If not, then there should be no problem :)
[19:10] <vorlon> if it's changed, no one has told us
[19:10] <vorlon> I think there was a vague sense that it might migrate to snaps but I haven't heard that this had happened
[19:11] <rbasak> Yes that was discussed (very briefly) at https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2021/05/28/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t10:42
[19:11] <sil2100> This is the problem when there's no active communication...
[19:11] <rbasak> #agreed MATE is required to resolve the PPA situation by the J release. Otherwise, MATE will not be an official flavour in J.
[19:11] <meetingology> AGREED: MATE is required to resolve the PPA situation by the J release. Otherwise, MATE will not be an official flavour in J.
[19:12] <rbasak> #action rbasak to communicate the TB's MATE resolution to the MATE flavour leads.
[19:12] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to communicate the TB's MATE resolution to the MATE flavour leads.
[19:12] <rbasak> ACTION: formal ratification of third party seeded snap security policy, depends on:
[19:12] <rbasak> ACTION: vorlon to circle around with store, snapcraft, et all, and revise the snap source revision policy to be more clear with regards to rebuildability and GPL compliance.
[19:12] <vorlon> fwiw I have more capacity this month than I have recently and think I will be able to make progress on this soon
[19:13] <rbasak> Thanks - let's carry.
[19:13] <rbasak> #action formal ratification of third party seeded snap security policy, depends on:
[19:13] <meetingology> ACTION: formal ratification of third party seeded snap security policy, depends on:
[19:13] <rbasak> #action vorlon to circle around with store, snapcraft, et all, and revise the snap source revision policy to be more clear with regards to rebuildability and GPL compliance.
[19:13] <meetingology> ACTION: vorlon to circle around with store, snapcraft, et all, and revise the snap source revision policy to be more clear with regards to rebuildability and GPL compliance.
[19:13] <rbasak> ACTION: vorlon to reply to seeded snap upload permissions question on list
[19:13] <vorlon> likewise :)
[19:13] <rbasak> #action vorlon to reply to seeded snap upload permissions question on list
[19:13] <meetingology> ACTION: vorlon to reply to seeded snap upload permissions question on list
[19:13] <rbasak> ACTION: sil2100 to start a draft summarizing the OEM archive portion of the meeting which xnox and TB will review, edit, and ratify before we move on to figuring out the next step
[19:16] <sil2100> Yes, sadly that's still in progress, didn't progress much since the last meeting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OEMArchive <- the page is started, I have a few more drafted words but nothing much more
[19:16] <rbasak> OK thanks. Carried then.
[19:16] <rbasak> #action sil2100 to start a draft summarizing the OEM archive portion of the meeting which xnox and TB will review, edit, and ratify before we move on to figuring out the next step
[19:16] <meetingology> ACTION: sil2100 to start a draft summarizing the OEM archive portion of the meeting which xnox and TB will review, edit, and ratify before we move on to figuring out the next step
[19:16] <rbasak> The next item wasn't updated on the agenda, but based on the logs from last time:
[19:17] <rbasak> ACTION: mdeslaur to follow-up/respond for security team on advice for the flatpak TB request
[19:17] <mdeslaur> I asked seth to file a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flatpak/+bug/1943480
[19:17] <rbasak> Thanks mdeslaur and sarnold!
[19:17] <mdeslaur> though I now see that the bug doesn't specifically state the security team position on the matter, I'll make sure that is fixed
[19:17] <rbasak> Is there anything further for the TB here?
[19:18] <sarnold> mdeslaur: heh, yeah, I wasn't 100% sure we'd reached a consensus yet :(
[19:18] <rbasak> OK how about I leave that action with mdeslaur for now? Or can you relay the security team position now for discussion?
[19:19] <rbasak> I think the TB opinion is likely to follow the security team's opinion, and then the TB part could be concluded/closed and it'll just be a bug to implement.
[19:19] <mdeslaur> I'm not sure there's anything more for the TB here
[19:19] <mdeslaur> The TB deferred to the security team
[19:20] <rbasak> OK thanks let's consider the TB part done then, and no further action for the TB.
[19:20] <mdeslaur> It would just circle back is someone disagreed with the security team's decision
[19:20] <mdeslaur> *if
[19:20] <rbasak> ACTION: all TB members to "vote" or explain what they do not like of a proposal on https://pad.ubuntu.com/third-party-repository-requirements (cyphermox, 19:25)
[19:20] <rbasak> I hope everyone did their homework?
[19:20] <mdeslaur> I did spend some time on that page, but I still need to think about it some more
[19:22] <mdeslaur> Can the others go through it before the next meeting, please?
[19:22]  * vorlon nods
[19:22] <sil2100> Will do o/
[19:22] <rbasak> Yep, thanks. And also that might mean that the rest of us need to circle round again to continue discussion / clarify any further questions.
[19:23] <rbasak> So I'll leave the action for everyone. I certainly need to read mdeslaur's comments in detail.
[19:23] <rbasak> #action all TB members to "vote" or explain what they do not like of a proposal on https://pad.ubuntu.com/third-party-repository-requirements
[19:23] <meetingology> ACTION: all TB members to "vote" or explain what they do not like of a proposal on https://pad.ubuntu.com/third-party-repository-requirements
[19:23] <rbasak> #topic Erich Eickmeyer via the mailing list: DisplayCAL in the archive as a deb that pulls in a Flatpak, and its inclusion in Ubuntu Studio by default. See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2021-July/002562.html and https://pad.ubuntu.com/third-party-repository-requirements
[19:23] <rbasak> I think this is deferred for now, until the previous item is completed.
[19:23] <rbasak> Any further discussion on this topic?
[19:24] <mdeslaur> nope
[19:24] <rbasak> #topic Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed (standing item)
[19:24] <rbasak> I screwed that up. Wrong magic symbol :-/
[19:25] <rbasak> Anyway
[19:25] <vorlon> :(
[19:25] <vorlon> :)
[19:25] <vorlon> (also wrong magic symbol)
[19:25] <rbasak> I don't see anything on the ML.
[19:25] <rbasak> #info Nothing spotted on the ML.
[19:25] <rbasak> #topic Check up on community bugs (standing item)
[19:26] <rbasak> #info No currently open community bugs
[19:26] <rbasak> #topic Select a chair for the next meeting (next from https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members)
[19:26] <rbasak> Next chair will be vorlon. Backup: sil2100
[19:26] <rbasak> #topic AOB
[19:26] <rbasak> AOB?
[19:26] <mdeslaur> I've got none
[19:26] <vorlon> nothing here
[19:27] <rbasak> #endmeeting
[19:27] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 19:27:14 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-09-14-19.01.moin.txt
[19:27] <rbasak> Thanks all!
[19:27] <mdeslaur> thanks everyone
[19:27]  * rbasak wonders what the previous topci was
[19:27] <sil2100> o/
[19:28] <sil2100> I think this is it?
[19:28] <rbasak> Thank you!


[10:30] <pw71> Hello, Pascal here. Having a XFCE Issue. Remapped the Start menu to [SUPER], triggers on keydown rather than on keyup event. Is this an bug or a client problem? System sitting on Ubuntu 19.10
[10:40] <pw71> I have found a user facing the same issue https://forum.manjaro.org/t/xfce-super-win-key-shortcut-problem/51797


[04:19] -queuebot:#edubuntu- New: accepted edubuntu-meta [arm64] (noble-proposed) [24.04.1]
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[00:27] <sammm> OMG I get so much motion sickness from staring at Lara Crofts arse. :(
[00:28] <sammm> I can't play this game without feeling queezy. :(
[02:13] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Unity Lenses and Books - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/24/unity-lenses-and-books/
[07:20] <togster> iostat
[08:10] <jacobw> morning
[08:11] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:12] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:12] <czajkowski> AlanBell: word of warning on the cask
[08:12] <czajkowski> the seats are heated
[08:12] <czajkowski> dear gods it gets hot in there
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> eww?
[08:13] <AlanBell> the bench seats you mean?
[08:13] <czajkowski> yeah
[08:13] <czajkowski> and they get pipping hot
[08:13] <czajkowski> place wasn't nearly as full as thursday night
[08:14]  * AlanBell is cool as a cucumber
[08:14] <czajkowski> arrived at 6:30 we had a table booked for about 8 of us
[08:14] <czajkowski> had a lot of the passion fruit beer
[08:14] <czajkowski> and dear gods their burgers are to die for
[08:14] <AlanBell> what was the occasion?
[08:15] <czajkowski> jon was meeting up with some ex mates in RH, 2 now work in canonical on kernel team, few more came from google, and then there was me
[08:15] <czajkowski> right frenchies v kiwis
[08:31] <popey> is there an easy way to tell if you're on unity 3d or 2d in 11.10?
[08:34] <czajkowski> hmmm
[08:34] <czajkowski> without logging out I'm not sure
[08:34] <czajkowski> sorry
[09:13] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] Annoy bug reports - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/09/24/annoy-bug-reports/
[09:13] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] Why I love to meet more Ubuntu People - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/09/24/why-i-love-to-meet-more-ubuntu-people/
[09:18] <AlanBell> popey: if the launcher is black it is 2d, if it is dark aubergine it is 3d
[09:20] <popey> is there a way to programmatically tell though?
[09:20] <popey> like a particular process running?
[09:21] <AlanBell> dunno
[09:21] <AlanBell> if onboard can type in the dash, it is 2d
[09:21] <popey> heh
[09:21] <AlanBell> if orca says every application is called "button" then it is 2d
[09:21] <AlanBell> if orca says nothing then it is 3d
[09:24] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:26] <AlanBell> the cern result looks pretty solid to me, just been going over some of the figures :)
[09:27] <swat_> unity 2d is pretty sweet on my netbook
[09:30] <AlanBell> ooooooh someone fixed the button button bug
[09:32] <jacobw> the cern result is.. suprising
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> negative mass.
[09:34] <AlanBell> I think they measured the distance wrong
[09:35] <AlanBell> but I can't see where
[09:36] <czajkowski> AlanBell: thanks for the CDs the other night, brought them to work and 2 of the lads took some
[09:37] <AlanBell> gah, half arsed fix to Bug #851694
[09:43] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: that is almost plausible!
[09:44] <AlanBell> I think they have established that the square of the mass of a neutrino can't be zero, therefore they have mass
[09:44] <AlanBell> could be negative though
[10:13] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] Why the CC - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/09/24/why-the-cc/
[11:04] <AI__> anyone free here?
[11:04] <MartijnVdS> !ask
[11:06] <AI__> for a non ubuntu related question just life advice
[11:08] <AlanBell> IRC is traditionally the place to ask questions of people who have a life :)
[11:18] <popey> I won the lottery!
[11:18] <popey> properly
[11:18] <popey> 5.20GBP!
[11:18] <bigcalm> Nice one
[11:20]  * popey promises this wont change his life
[11:29] <bigcalm> AlanBell: have or haven't?
[11:35] <AI__> Is the concorde expected to fly for the Olympics?
[11:42] <AlanBell> no
[11:46] <windmill> rather good this oneiric, looking pretty slick already
[11:56] <danfish> chicken!
[11:57] <danfish> !chicken
[11:57] <jacobw> yes?
[11:57] <bigcalm> Bok bok
[11:57] <danfish> chicken? is it you?
[11:59] <danfish> hope everyone is enjoying this rather fine weather
[11:59] <penguin42> fine weather? Where?
[11:59] <bigcalm> Overcast here
[12:00] <StevenR> grey here
[12:00] <danfish> ah - my bad - SW Londinium
[12:00] <AlanBell> chickens \o/
[12:01] <jacobw> overcast here :(
[12:01] <bigcalm> Banana!
[12:01] <jacobw> +=rama
[12:02]  * StevenR wonders what all this talk of chickens is
[12:02] <danfish> AlanBell: with your new found appraisal of the neutrino/faster then light debate, which came first? the chicken or the egg?
[12:08] <danfish> StevenR: AlanBell has ported ubuntu to run in a chicken's brain ;)
[12:08] <bigcalm> Heh
[12:11] <AlanBell> danfish: the answer is still neither the chicken or the egg
[12:11] <danfish> the unity interface now is beak/peck enabled
[12:11] <AlanBell> you need to get a henhouse and run first or they will be eaten by a fox
[12:12] <danfish> AlanBell: true - quantum entanglement precludes either option in the chicken/egg debate, but the real answer - dinosaur
[12:12] <AlanBell> yup, they are dinosaurs
[12:12] <AlanBell> tasty little dinosaurs
[12:14] <bigcalm> QIXL tonight \o/
[12:14] <jacobw> :D
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> Doctor Who tonight \o/
[12:20] <bigcalm> Only 2 eps left
[12:20] <bigcalm> And no companions?
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> Apparently the guy from last year is coming back this episode
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> the not-funny one
[12:21] <bigcalm> Who?
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> the one from that episode with the tardis on the rood
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> roof
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> James Corden
[12:22] <bigcalm> Oh no
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> exactly.
[12:22] <bigcalm> Do not want
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> I hope it's just for one episode
[12:23] <bigcalm> It will be the death of the show if it isn't
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> I much prefer Amy ;)
[12:26] <bigcalm> Doesn't everybody?
[12:26] <bigcalm> It weirds me out somehow that sheis 24
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> why?
[12:34] <bigcalm> Dunno, just does
[12:41] <gord> pfft, i said that about catherine tate, apprently everyone loves terrible people in dr who
[12:41] <MartijnVdS> gord: Catherine Tate WAS horrible
[12:41] <MartijnVdS> (at least in Dr Who, don't know her other things)
[12:42] <gord> dr who is the thing she is least terrible in
[12:42] <gord> so that should give you some idea
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> *shudder*
[12:43]  * bigcalm nods
[12:44] <gord> but yeah, the co-star of "lesbian  vampire killers" apprently being in dr who now, does not make me want to catch up. stopped watching it a year or two ago
[12:45] <MartijnVdS> gord: only in two episodes
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> gord: with any luck he'll be dying in this one too
[12:46] <bigcalm> \o
[12:46] <bigcalm> \o/
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: just watch the trailer :)
[12:47] <bigcalm> Na, I avoid all teasers
[12:47] <bigcalm> Including the 'next time' bits at the end of the show
[12:48] <MartijnVdS> Ooh, F1 Quali
[12:48] <MartijnVdS> in a few minutes
[12:48] <bigcalm> That might be worth watching
[13:26] <sammm> HazRPG: Having no internet is the worst thing to ever happen to my life :'(
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> sammm: that bad, really?
[13:27] <HazRPG> sammm: Hmm, sounds like you need another hobby then ^_^
[13:27] <HazRPG> I can live quite happily without internet for weeks/months
[13:27] <HazRPG> however, when I do get back on... I tend to spend most of the time trying to catch up on what I missed :P
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> as long as I get my email
[13:27] <sammm> No online gaming, no porn, no Wikipedia, no news, no free TV/films/music, no talking to anybody, etc
[13:27] <sammm> MartijnVdS: Yes, for the reasons I've just specified
[13:27] <sammm> HazRPG: Wi-Fi hacking maybe?
[13:27] <sammm> HazRPG: Lucky you
[13:28] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Yeah I agree, e-mail is probably the thing I check the most - sadly a lot of people don't though :(
[13:29] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I know a lot of people that don't see the importance in having an e-mail address, especially since the recent boom of social networking
[13:29] <MartijnVdS> yeah that's weird :)
[13:30]  * MartijnVdS remebers having a Fidonet email address
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> I have to say most of my email is notifications
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> "Package on its way"
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> "Bug has been commented on"
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> etc.
[13:40] <shauno> mine's about the same, but I'd still rather not do without it
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> People at work need to learn how to use it though
[13:41] <shauno> automated cruft, more lists than is sensible, and maybe 4 people that still use it as a form of communication
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> (especially writing understandable emails..)
[13:43] <shauno> quoting is my big gripe for work emails.  quote etoo much, and I've no idea what you're talking about.  quote too little, and I still have no idea
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> At work people just "MS-Quote"
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> i.e. don't remove anything, write new content above
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> *hate*
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> Also subjects like "Question"
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> GAH
[13:45] <shauno> that's pretty much the default for Notes too. Drives me nuts, because my preferred style is to reply inline
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> I've given up
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> people actually mailed me telling me they didn't understand proper quoting
[13:46] <AlanBell> shauno: harder to edit in a collapsed section too
[13:46] <AlanBell> I like to reply inline if appropriate and trim the stuff I don't want
[13:46] <AlanBell> or just reply without history
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> I want gmail's interface for "normal" IMAP servers
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> so I can use it for work mail :)
[13:47] <jacobw> I usually reply without history, they know what they mailed about :|
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> because in gmail works great
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> +it
[13:48] <AlanBell> back when I was teaching people how to use email I told them that reply with history is only for when you are adding a new person to the cc list and you want to give them context
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: I get mail like that sometimes, it's even worse :)
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: "Please fix this issue with the software" <thread of 20 emails describing/finding the bug, in reverse order>
[13:49] <jacobw> People leave their brains at the login screen and anything different from the default behaviour is worrying for them.
[13:49] <AlanBell> fundamentally, email is rubbish
[13:49] <jacobw> IRC ftw :D
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Invent somethign better :)
[13:50] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: I think that's how we got Wave..
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: even fewer people understood how that works
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> I've done collaborative Google Docs things
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> that works
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> but that's not good for (say) helpdesk queries
[13:55] <AlanBell> there are many many helpdesk applications
[13:56] <AlanBell> because everyone who has ever worked on one and can code a bit has written one
[13:56] <AlanBell> even those who can't code a bit
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> sure, but Google Docs/collaborative document editing isn't the best help desk interface :)
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> We use RT at work
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> for internal stuff
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> no idea what's used for customer-to-helpdesk stuff
[13:59] <jacobw> I suggested using a request tracker at work and was told to set up a sharepoint site :|
[13:59] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: ...
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> Where I work everyone uses it
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> except the people who need it most (the unix sysadmins)
[14:00] <jacobw> RT?
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> yeah
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> F1 \o/
[15:12] <MartijnVdS> ooh! tomorrow - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b015d4qz
[15:26] <penguin42> Freeview ch 11 'pick tv' seems to be showing the original 1st futurama series
[15:27] <penguin42> which given this cold is about the right type of tv
[15:34] <AlanBell> Laney: MooDoo: other Notts peeps: how does Thursday 3rd November grab you for a Nottingham Happy Hour?
[15:34] <Laney> UDS
[15:35] <AlanBell> excellent point!
[15:35] <Laney> :-)
[15:36] <AlanBell> Thursday 10th?
[15:44] <Laney> yeah, could work
[15:44] <Laney> want to email nlug to gauge interest?
[15:45] <AlanBell> that would be great
[16:55] <gord> oops, i clicked on a thing in banshee, time to crash!
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> gord: you didn't apt-get upgrade while it was running did you?
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> gord: because that triggers 400% CPU crashiness for Laney and me
[16:58] <Laney> i don't think it's that reliable
[16:58] <gord> no, banshee is just crap
[16:59] <gord> and they removed the u1 store from rb so i have to use it
[16:59] <Laney> ho boy, I hope trolling applications never stops being fun
[17:00] <gord> and it crashed again
[17:04] <gord> okay i give up, i won't buy music, that was obviously what i did wrong
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> Doctortime!
[18:10] <czajkowski> aloha
[18:10] <czajkowski> gord: why do you persist in using banshee, it results in a rant on here on how broken it is
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> if only he filed bugs..
[19:38] <zleap> hi all
[19:39] <jacobw> hi
[19:39] <zleap> how are u
[19:41] <jacobw> eating ravioli and reading about snort
[19:42] <jacobw> that's my rock and roll saturday evening :|
[19:46]  * AlanBell updates http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/
[19:51] <Laney> 10/10 → 10/11 ?
[19:52]  * AlanBell updates again
[19:52] <Laney> wowzers, a peterborough one
[19:53] <Laney> and another nottingham? you spoil me
[19:53] <Laney> the crown is about 3 minutes from my house
[19:53] <AlanBell> well they are all places that have been proposed
[19:53] <AlanBell> and I jumbled the order a bit
[19:53] <AlanBell> not random
[19:54] <AlanBell> I was thinking of drawing a rude picture with the path, but I managed to restrain myself from that
[19:55] <Laney> the Debian swirl yeah?
[19:56] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/happyhour.pdf
[19:57] <AlanBell> that is the poster I stuck on the Fridge in Canonical
[19:57] <Laney> close
[19:58] <AlanBell> would like one over in Northern Ireland really
[19:58] <AlanBell> dunno if we have anyone in Belfast
[20:29] <czajkowski> hmmm
[20:29] <czajkowski> only folks I know in NI are on the -ie team
[20:29] <czajkowski> sladen: good to see you if only briefly the other evening
[20:30] <zleap> anyone up in or near cullompton, devon
[20:51] <ball> What version of the Linux kernel impacted power management/battery life?
[20:52] <ali1234> 2.6.*
[20:52] <ball> Thanks, that'll explain his battery issue.
[20:54] <Monotoko> ....
[20:57] <AlanBell> ,,,,
[20:58] <bigcalm> ...---...
[21:34] <reaper4334> anyone set up a custom plymouth boot splash? I tried following the guide linked to on the ubuntu wiki but it didn't work :(
[23:08] <sammm> Heyyyyy guyz
[23:09] <sammm> I just met my house mate
[23:10] <penguin42> is that unusual?
[23:12] <sammm> He might even become my favourite house mate
[23:15] <sammm> I think I have a house mate for competitive PC gaming, a house mate for drinking and a house mate for musicing. :)
[23:17] <sammm> And I have 2 for smoking
[23:18] <sammm> But one of them smokes better than the other
[23:45] <sammm> Can I boost Wi-Fi signal range by taping the atenna as high up on the wall as possible?
[23:52] <sammm1> Well I've blutacked my Wi-Fi adaptor as high up the wall as possible
[23:52] <sammm1> I don't think it's made much difference :(
[23:53] <ball> Yay!  BluTak!
[23:53] <sammm1> LOL it fell down the first time
[23:53] <sammm1> Actually, my connection seems almost better than dialup ATM :)
[23:53] <sammm1> I just downloaded a photograph of a fit ginger 15 year old girl.
[23:59] <sammm> Damn, it fell down again
[23:59] <sammm> But I've just applied three times as much blu-tak and pushed it down extra hard
[23:59] <sammm> So I doubt it'll fall down this time :)


[22:48] <regi> %C05 oi
[22:48] <emmanuel_> mkquist: i did post the fdisk result on the pastebin but i saw no http link for it appear on the channel, did you see anything?
[22:48] <regi> help
[22:48] <mkquist> emmanuel_: no pastebin gives you the link
[22:48] <log> !br | regi
[22:48] <gk2012> I'm have no video when attempting to run from the live DVD, the OS loads fine, login sounds are able to be heard etc... just no Video, blank-screen issue
[22:48] <gk2012> I've tried booting with with nomodeset option and even tried freesoftware only as well as disabled acpi
[22:49] <gk2012> I also hooked up an eternal monitor to see if it may of been a toggling issue
[22:49] <gk2012> no success, any tips ?
[22:49] <emmanuel_> mkquist: the output of fdisk is there: http://paste.ubuntu.com/882456/
[22:51] <emmanuel_> mkquist: the bugs section of the fdisk manpage says: 'fdisk is a buggy program that does fuzzy things'
[22:51] <emmanuel_> mkquist: on the other hand it praises cfdisk which in fact gives interesting results
[22:52] <ikonia> !info qmail
[22:52] <gk2012> I have no video when attempting to run from the live DVD, the OS loads fine, login sounds are able to be heard etc.. just no Video, blank-screen issue. I've tried booting with with nomodeset option and even tried freesoftware only as well as disabled acpi, still no success. I also hooked up an external monitor to see if it may of been a toggling issue, no success still. Any suggestions or tips ?
[22:52] <mkquist> emmanuel_: ive always had good luck with fdisk, but I use gparted to partition...
[22:54] <lazarus_> o/
[22:54] <emmanuel_> mkquist: ok, i also use gparted, now the more salient problem is precisely with gparted which (according to fdisk's manpage) is more closely related to cfdisk then to fidks
[22:54] <mkquist> emmanuel_: can you mount the partitions at all?
[22:54] <mkquist> emmanuel_: the problem ones that is...
[22:54] <OerHeks> emmanuel_, not true, cfdisk can handle disks up to 2 TB. Gparted goes beyond that
[22:55] <gk2012> I have no video when attempting to run from the live DVD, the OS loads fine, login sounds are able to be heard etc.. just no Video, blank-screen issue. I've tried booting with with nomodeset option and even tried freesoftware only as well as disabled acpi, still no success. I also hooked up an external monitor to see if it may of been a toggling issue, no success still. Any suggestions or tips ?
[22:55] <emmanuel_> mkquist: and (consistently) it seems that cfdisk also has a problem which gparted has, maybe it's less permissive than fdisk on "funny" partition tables
[22:55] <emmanuel_> mkquist: yes I can mount the partitions
[22:55] <MultiverseDog> how do I delete old files on /dev/sdb that are owned by Root?
[22:56] <webnet> MultiverseDog, 'sudo su'
[22:56] <webnet> then 1 of 2 things
[22:56] <webnet> rm /path/to.file.ext
[22:56] <MultiverseDog> ok
[22:56] <webnet> or chmod -R 777 /path/where/file/is/
[22:57] <lazarus_> webnet: or gksu nautilus
[22:57] <lazarus_> then locate the file an del it
[22:57] <emmanuel_> mkquist: the output of cfdisk is interesting (translating in EN): "fatal error: primary partition 4: partition ends after end of disk"
[22:57] <mkquist> emmanuel_: so the problem is with 'how' 11.10 sees the disks?
[22:58] <emmanuel_> mkquist: yes, that is one of the questions...
[22:58] <webnet> lazarus_, ah yes. gui. :P i like cli. :D
[22:58] <gk2012> I have no video when attempting to run from the live DVD, the OS loads fine, login sounds are able to be heard etc.. just no Video, blank-screen issue. I've tried booting with with nomodeset option and even tried freesoftware only as well as disabled acpi, still no success. I also hooked up an external monitor to see if it may of been a toggling issue, no success still. Any suggestions or tips ?
[22:58] <emmanuel_> mkquist: probably there is something wrong but, so wrong that gparted refuses to work, but not so wrong that the partitions can't be mounted
[22:58] <lazarus_> me too webnet
[22:59]  * webnet high fives lazarus_
[22:59] <webnet> CLI for the win
[22:59] <emmanuel_> mkquist: it happened after i resized the extended partition in 10.04
[22:59] <MultiverseDog> THANKS -> gksu nautilus, I appreciate it!!!
[22:59] <mneptok> !repeat | gk2012
[23:00] <elijah> I just accidentally installed Klipper with apt-get, not realizing the K was for KDE, it is downloading 140+ MB of files. I later realized that Glipper was the Gnome version. If I do a apt-get remove will it remove everything it just installed?
[23:00] <mneptok> webnet: sudo -i is preferable to sudo su
[23:00] <lazarus_> MultiverseDog: use that any time you want to delete files that are owned by root but be carefull
[23:01] <mneptok> elijah: apt-get purge
[23:01] <elijah> mneptok: thx
[23:01] <mneptok> elijah: then you may need apt-get autoremove
[23:01] <emmanuel_> mkquist:the cfdisk error message may be linked to the fact that in 10.04 fdisk sees 160GB whereas in 11.10 it sees only 151GB, and the extended  partition clearly extends beyonds 151GB
[23:02] <emmanuel_> mkquist: also the number of cylinders displayed by fdisk is different
[23:02] <StepNjump> Am I the only one that is struggling with libre office or others also have problems?
[23:03] <lazarus_> elijah: sudo apt-get remove name of package* (the * remove anything you installed with it i.e KDE stuff)
[23:03] <elijah> mneptok: I did both of those successfully and it said it only freed 528KB and 352 KB
[23:03] <gk2012> StepNjump: No problem with Libre here...
[23:04] <gk2012> StepNjump: Make sure open-java is installed
[23:04] <lazarus_> so elijah: sudo apt-get remove  klipper*
[23:04] <elijah> It looks like I have roughly 164 MB of KDE libraries installed now
[23:05] <StepNjump> gk2012: it's running but can't enter one value in only one field database!
[23:05] <elijah> lazarus_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/882486/
[23:06] <gk2012> StepNjump: I'm really not sure what that's about, usually if I've ever had issues with libre-office it's related to Javan not being installed
[23:07] <elijah> lazarus_: This is what I ran and installed the first time - http://paste.ubuntu.com/882490/
[23:09] <lazarus_> elijah: try sudo apt-get autoremove
[23:09] <emmanuel_> mkquist: thanks for your help so far, now I'll just try to destroy the extended partition in 10.04 and check whether I can see the disk again in gparted in 11.10
[23:09] <emmanuel_> bbl
[23:09] <elijah> basically it seems as if purge then autoremove already removed the info it needs to uninstall everything, and it didn't uninstall all the libraries, lazarus_ I did run auto remove already
[23:09] <mkquist> emmanuel_: reading up a bit, seems gparted sees disks size a little different then cfdisk or fdisk
[23:10] <mkquist> emorisse: g/l with I could help more
[23:10] <StepNjump> I think it's installed gk2012 I have the Sun java installed
[23:10] <lazarus_> elijah: do you have synaptic installed
[23:11] <Ovizu> i cant update, this is the error i get:
[23:11] <Ovizu> It was not possible to authenticate some packages. This may be a transient network problem. You may want to try again later. See below for a list of unauthenticated packages.
[23:11] <Ovizu> then theres a list of things
[23:11] <elijah> lazarus_:  I first did the install (http://paste.ubuntu.com/882490/) then did a purge (http://paste.ubuntu.com/882493/), then did the autoremove (http://paste.ubuntu.com/882496/),
[23:11] <Ovizu> evolution-common
[23:11] <Ovizu> libcamel-1.2-23
[23:11] <Ovizu> libebackend-1.2-1
[23:11] <Ovizu> libebook1.2-10
[23:11] <Ovizu> libecal1.2-8
[23:11] <FloodBot1> Ovizu: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:11] <Ovizu> libedata-book-1.2-9
[23:12] <elijah> lazarus_:  The program 'synaptic' is currently not installed.
[23:12] <Ovizu> sorry for the flood
[23:12] <Ovizu> what should i do to resolve this?
[23:13] <lazarus_> ok so your running 11.10 right elijah
[23:13] <Ovizu> need to upgrade first?
[23:13] <DJ> how pleasant
[23:14] <elijah> lazarus_: correct
[23:14] <DJ> !tell Ovizu about paste
[23:14] <lazarus_> elijah: synaptic will help you keep an eye one packeges you have installed
[23:14] <Kates> enek wong jowo pora iki nek kene ?
[23:15] <Ovizu> whats the difference between upgrade and updates?
[23:15] <elijah> lazarus_: should I install synaptic?
[23:15] <DJ> Kates, English please
[23:15] <elijah> lazarus_: would it help in this situation?
[23:15] <lazarus_> elijah: yes
[23:15] <Kates> ora iso inggris mbak
[23:16] <DJ> Ovizu, the update is usually the packages you have install by updating to other Releases example from 11.10 to 12.04 you'll need to upgrade you re entire system and new libraries,
[23:16] <gk2012> I have no video when attempting to run from the live DVD, the OS loads fine, login sounds are able to be heard etc.. just no Video, blank-screen issue. I've tried booting with with nomodeset option and even tried freesoftware only as well as disabled acpi, still no success. I also hooked up an external monitor to see if it may of been a toggling issue, no success still. Any suggestions or tips ?
[23:17] <DJ> gk2012, are you using amd64 with i686 kernel?
[23:18] <elijah> lazarus_: what would be a command I could run to flush out the KDE stuff
[23:18] <DJ> elijah, sudo apt-get --purge remove kde*
[23:19] <MultiverseDog> space not freed after using 'gksu nautilus' to delete files owned by Root on /dev/sdb, how do I retrieve freed space?
[23:19] <iceroot> MultiverseDog: empty the trash of the user root
[23:19] <iceroot> MultiverseDog: nautilus is putting everything in the trash-folder of the user
[23:19] <lazarus_> DJ: thanks i was try to find a simple cli way to do it but could not remember
[23:19] <iceroot> even when using root
[23:20] <iceroot> !puregnome | elijah
[23:20] <callen> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:3500          <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN
[23:20] <iceroot> elijah: look there for the "remove kde part" and dont run the last install command
[23:20] <callen> and iptables -L is empty
[23:20] <MultiverseDog> there is no trash folder displayed in Nautilus
[23:21] <callen> what could cause port 3500 to be inaccessible to the outside world?
[23:21] <iceroot> callen: <IP_ADDRESS> is not reachable from outside
[23:21] <elijah> I am looking in /var/cache/apt/archives right now and can see all the .debs downloaded in the past hour, they don't all start with KDE
[23:21] <iceroot> callen: that adress is bind to your loopbackdevice and not to your network card
[23:21] <callen> iceroot: it's listening on <IP_ADDRESS>:* I thought.
[23:21] <iceroot> callen: ah sorry have not read everything
[23:22] <callen> iceroot: which means it should me universally accessible.
[23:22] <callen> iceroot: it's from an ssh tunnel.
[23:22]  * lazarus_ has to point out that he is a novice linux user
[23:22] <callen> I'm trying to expose a local web server via my remote web server.
[23:22] <callen> and it's not working.
[23:22] <callen> if I curl localhost from the remote web server, the tunnel works
[23:22] <callen> if I attempt it via DNS or static external interface IP, it says connection refused.
[23:22] <MultiverseDog> there is a 'lost+found' folder, but it is empty
[23:22] <callen> I have no iptables rules at all.
[23:23] <iceroot> callen: ah that is because DNS is pointing to your eth0 adress, localhost not
[23:23] <iceroot> callen: ssh user@host -L <IP_ADDRESS>:3500:remoteserver:3500
[23:24] <elijah> iceroot: It looks like that should work for the most part, however there are a few .debs that don't match that list
[23:24] <iceroot> callen: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:3500 will point to remoteserver:3500
[23:24] <gk2012> DJ: yes I am, but I also tried a 32-Bit Edition same issue
[23:24] <iceroot> elijah: debs in /var/cache/apt/.. has nothing to do with the link from ubottu
[23:24] <iceroot> elijah: you are talking about deinstalling kde? or just remocing the cached deb files?
[23:24] <callen> iceroot: that command doesn't amek any esense at all.
[23:25] <callen> iceroot: am I running that locally against the remote server in addition to the existing -R tunnel?
[23:25] <gk2012> I have no video when attempting to run from the live DVD, the OS loads fine, login sounds are able to be heard etc.. just no Video, blank-screen issue. I've tried booting with with nomodeset option and even tried freesoftware only as well as disabled acpi, still no success. I also hooked up an external monitor to see if it may of been a toggling issue, no success still. Any suggestions or tips ?
[23:25] <callen> `ssh -nNq -R 3500:localhost:5000 myserver.com` <--- that is running on my laptop against my server.
[23:26] <callen> do I need to add a PermitOpen directive to my sshd_config?
[23:26] <emmanuel06160> mkquist: I removed the extended partition in 10.04 then the other partitions could be seen in gparted 11.10 and I could recreate the extended partitition in 11.10
[23:26] <elijah> iceroot: I was just looking at the cached deb files to see what was installed
[23:26] <iceroot> callen: ah the other way around ok, i thought you are using -L and trying localhost:3500 and want to reach mydomain.com with that
[23:26] <elijah> iceroot: I want o removed the installed files and then later remove the deb files
[23:27] <iceroot> elijah: to remove the deb files use "sudo apt-get clean"
[23:27] <iceroot> elijah: to remove kde use the command from ubottu
[23:27] <elijah> iceroot: I want to keep those until I resolve the installed files issue first
[23:27] <emmanuel06160> mkquist: the extended partition finished at the end of the disk in 11.10, but back in 10.04 gparted displays some unused space after the extended partition
[23:27] <gk2012> I have no video when attempting to run from the live DVD, the OS loads fine, login sounds are able to be heard etc.. just no Video, blank-screen issue. I've tried booting with with nomodeset option and even tried freesoftware only as well as disabled acpi, still no success. I also hooked up an external monitor to see if it may of been a toggling issue, no success still. Any suggestions or tips ?
[23:27] <elijah> what is weird is that my sudo command is not found now
[23:27] <mkquist> emmanuel06160: did you use gparted or fdisk?
[23:27] <emmanuel06160> mkquist: I used gparted
[23:27] <escott> MultiverseDog, gksu into nautilus and empty the trash folder
[23:28] <callen> ...no.
[23:28] <elijah> could something that was installed with klipper have removed my sudo?
[23:28] <callen> iceroot: so why is it accessible to the server locally even though it says it's listening to all IPs?
[23:28] <emmanuel06160> mkquist: all is consistent with the fact that the disk appears to have different capacity in gparted (and fdisk) 10.04 and 11.10
[23:28] <mkquist> emmanuel06160: yeah, apparently it can also depend on how the h/d calls itself out to the o/s i guess
[23:28] <callen> or rather, why isn't it working externally?
[23:28] <pillboxing> so guys how can I mount a samba share in fstab? I can't find the correct syntax for fstab file
[23:28] <iceroot> callen: good question, i dont know, sorry
[23:28] <mkquist> emmanuel06160: gparted is different in each version of ubuntu?
[23:28] <escott> gk2012, does ctrl-alt-f1 take you to a text console
[23:29] <mkquist> emmanuel06160: or fdisk is different than gparted?
[23:29] <elijah> nevermind the sudo thing, I am a noob, I was trying to use sudo with cp
[23:29] <emmanuel06160> mkquist: fdisk gives different results in 10.04 and 11.10
[23:29] <escott> emmanuel06160, and its not a gpt issue?
[23:29] <mkquist> emmanuel06160: interesting..
[23:29] <emmanuel06160> mkquist: gparted also gives different results
[23:29] <iceroot> elijah: use /usr/bin/sudo  that should work
[23:30] <mkquist> emmanuel06160: go figure...
[23:30] <gk2012> escott: no it does not... I'm only able to drop down into command line when using specific boot options, ie nomodeset, acpi=disabled etc..
[23:30] <emmanuel06160> mkquist: they both see the disk as 150GB in 11.10 and as 160GB in 10/04
[23:30] <lazarus_> elijah: have you manged to fix all the issues you've had
[23:30] <pillboxing> also: does anyone know why when I add a network share to places in kde that I don't see them in the open files menu in sublime text 2?
[23:30] <iceroot> emmanuel06160: maybe GB and GiB?
[23:30] <emmanuel06160> mkquist: so it I make a partition in 10.04 that goes beyond 150GB, then back in 11.10 garted refuses to work
[23:30] <gk2012> escott: I've been searching on google since yesterday evening and no real solution as of yet..
[23:31] <escott> emmanuel06160, sounds like GB vs GiB
[23:31] <emmanuel06160> iceroot: could have been, but the size in bytes in given too, so it doesn't appear to be the issue
[23:31] <pillboxing> guys :P, I need some halp cos I r linux nab
[23:31] <emmanuel06160> one is<PHONE_NUMBER>96 bytes, the other is<PHONE_NUMBER>00
[23:32] <emmanuel06160> also the number of cylinders displayed by fdisk is different
[23:32] <gk2012> escott: it seems to be an issue with the newer ATi Radeon cards, though I've had no success at resolving the issue... my main goal is just to be able to run from the live media, I don't need a hard-disk install
[23:33] <pillboxing> how do I mount an smb share to a folder? I tried sudo mount -t //IP/Share /media/LS guest
[23:33] <pillboxing> but that does nawt work :(
[23:33] <escott> gk2012, im not sure what to suggest. if your goal is the livecd its going to be hard to even put in any kind of hack to make it work
[23:33] <escott> !cifs | pillboxing
[23:33] <pillboxing> oh yeah
[23:34] <pillboxing> I had cifs in there somewhere too
[23:34] <gk2012> escott: yea, it's what I figured
[23:35] <gk2012> escott: thx for seeking to help...
[23:35] <Ca11um> I'm trying to install InspIRCd, where would be the most logical place to put it? Does Ubuntu have a 'Program Files', as such?
[23:35] <Rourick> hello all, how do i enable open gl for compiz affects?
[23:35] <pillboxing> sudo mount -t //<IP_ADDRESS>/Scripts /media/LS cifs guest
[23:36] <emmanuel06160> mkquist: so at this point I'm content that gparted can see the partitions again in 11.10, but 10GB of disk space are wasted and I still don't know if it's gparted in 10.04 that messed up some thing (or something else I did) or if it's gparted in 11.10 that is buggy
[23:36] <pillboxing> sudo mount -t //<IP_ADDRESS>/Scripts /media/LS cifs guest doesn't work :(
[23:36] <Raymond_> hi
[23:37] <_B00> c
[23:37] <lazarus_> Raymond_: hi
[23:37] <DJ> gk2012, download the 64-bit
[23:37] <DJ> and install that image,
[23:37] <emmanuel06160> mkquist: thus I can now live with things as they are, but is it worth filing a bug report or anything in case they really is a bug somewhere?
[23:37] <itaylor57> Ca11um, that should be in the repo,install via software center
[23:37] <gk2012> DJ: that is what I have, as well as a copy of the 32-Bit Edition
[23:38] <lazarus_> how do you find out specs of a cpu from the cli
[23:38] <gk2012> DJ: both suffer from the same issue
[23:38] <DJ> gk2012, which release are you using?
[23:38] <Raymond_> what is it called when there is a long webpage and the editor wants to place html code to take the person to a specific spot on the same page. does this make sense?
[23:38] <gk2012> DJ: it dose't matter which live media one tries, the issue is the firmware with new ATi cards it seems
[23:38] <dagerik> Raymond_: hashtags or hashlinks? using the #
[23:38] <sirdork> help I'm having trouble setting-up a mail server
[23:39] <DJ> gk2012, do you even have xorg install?
[23:39] <Raymond_> dagerik, thankyou
[23:39] <Ca11um> itaylor57, it's a server
[23:39] <gk2012> DJ: when rebooting with live media, every thing starts load correctly, one is able to even see the Ubuntu logo (Man in Circle-5 Point Star) but then the screen goes blank...
[23:39] <pillboxing> hi guys, can anyone link me an up to date samba mounting guide
[23:40] <DJ> gk2012, Like i said which release are you installing?
[23:40] <gk2012> DJ: the OS continues and loads normally, even able to hear the sounds... I'm not looking to do a hard-disk install, just to consistely run from the live media...
[23:40] <DJ> gk2012, 11.10?
[23:40] <gk2012> DJ: correct
[23:40] <itaylor57> !info inspircd | Ca11um
[23:40] <Ca11um> Oh, using apt-get?
[23:41] <Ca11um> v1.1.22 is outdated
[23:41] <Ca11um> I need 2.0.5
[23:41] <itaylor57> Ca11um, then look for a ppa
[23:41] <DJ> gk2012, which ATI video card do you own,?
[23:41] <Ca11um> A what?
[23:41] <gk2012> DJ: To be exact and detailed, I'm looking to run Sabily(Ubuntu Derived) 64-Bit from the live media on a consistent basis
[23:41] <itaylor57> !ppa | Ca11um
[23:42] <gk2012> DJ: the card is ATi 6520g HD with 512mb ram
[23:42] <gk2012> DJ: AMD Radeon
[23:42] <escott> pillboxing, check http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=288534
[23:42] <michaelh1> Help!  I just dist-upgraded on Precise and now Alt-anything and Super-anything don't work
[23:42] <Rourick> hello all, how do i enable open gl for compiz affects?
[23:43] <escott> !samba | pillboxing
[23:43] <DJ> gk2012, do this at Terminal, sudo sh /usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh
[23:44] <escott> gk2012, if you are running sabily you should ask in the sabily channel. its doubly hard for us to offer advice when you are not running plain vanilla ubuntu
[23:44] <gk2012> DJ: reguardless whether I use a 32-Bit or 64-Bit live media, the blank-screen issue still persist... It also persist when using boot options such as 'nomodeset, acpi=off etc..' ... the difference being when using the boot option one is at least able to have the command line
[23:44] <nebie> hey guys, i keep trying to install vmware workstation, and I get some kind of kernel error when I try and run it?
[23:44] <gk2012> escott: the sabily channel is unable to resolve and said it's "doubly important" to ask here as that distro is only a tweak of Ubuntu
[23:44] <itaylor57> Ca11um, what version of ubuntu are you running?
[23:45] <Ca11um> 11.10
[23:45] <gk2012> DJ: thx for seeking to humbly assist...
[23:45] <DJ> gk2012, sudo sh /usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh sudo apt-get remove --purge xorg-driver-fglrx fglrx*sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[23:46] <gk2012> DJ: thank you so very much, I'm noting all these before I attempt again...
[23:47] <escott> Rourick, use jockey to install the drivers for your card
[23:47] <DJ> gk2012, then sudo apt-get install build-essential cdbs fakeroot dh-make debhelper debconf libstdc++6 dkms libqtgui4 wget execstack libelfg0 dh-modaliases sudo apt-get install ia32-libs (only if on amd64 as I was)  sh ./ati-driver-installer-11-9-x86.x86_64.run (choose build deb packages)   sudo dpkg -i fglrx*.deb sudo aticonfig --initial -f
[23:47] <DJ> but you'll have to reboot gk2012
[23:48] <DJ> gk2012, by the way why don't you just Use, virtualbox?
[23:48] <itaylor57> Ca11um, you could look at this ppa, but know that ppa's are not supported https://launchpad.net/~stevecrozz/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=oneiric
[23:49] <gk2012> DJ: okay I have all of the commands noted, will this work for just seeking to use the live-media and not needing a hard-disk install ? How will the commands not need repeating if rebooting ?
[23:49] <Rourick> escott: jockey gtk is installed
[23:49] <escott> Rourick, yes run it.
[23:49] <Rourick> i just checked in software center
[23:49] <gk2012> DJ: if I can't pull this off with just the live media, the virtual-box option is next i presume, not had very great experience with vm's
[23:49] <Rourick> ok
[23:49] <DJ> gk2012, since you want to play with Linux, my advise for you, is for you to Read about it,
[23:50] <gk2012> DJ: I've been playing with it since I was 12, Im 26
[23:50] <elijah> lazarus_: Actually I got sidetracked with figuring out how to pipe output from the find command into xclip so I could post the file name since nautilus wouldn't let me edit the filename so I could copy paste it here. I figured it out how to pipe the filename directly to clipboard (xclip) and now have a new trick.
[23:50] <gk2012> DJ: what reading material do you have to offer, please share ?
[23:50] <DJ> http://askubuntu.com/questions/67065/system-doesnt-boot-after-amd-11-9-driver-install
[23:50] <gk2012> DJ: thank you
[23:50] <Rourick> no proprietary drivers on system?
[23:50] <starn> does ubuntu have tools to check if a disk is dying? preferably the disk it's installed onto?
[23:51] <DJ> !next
[23:51] <Rourick> in use*
[23:52] <escott> gk2012, to do this with a livecd you would have to loop mount the squashfs casper image and modify it and then reburn the cd. it could be a rather daunting undertaking. there is a usb creator tool that has a persistence option but you might also try unetbootin
[23:52] <gk2012> DJ: :p for finding that entry... been looking for something like it since yesterday evening!
[23:52] <escott> starn, the disk utilty as well as the command line smartctl will give smart status information
[23:52] <gk2012> escott: thanks as well, will seek to look into them option also if need be...
[23:53] <starn> escott: could a EXT4 partition make the bio's smart test detect fake errors?
[23:54] <escott> starn, it should not, the bios shouldn't be reading the disk but merely querying the values in the smart tables of the disk firmware
[23:55] <Praxi> is iptables on by default in ubuntu server 11.10?
[23:55] <EvilResistance> Praxi, its usually installed, but inactive until you configure it
[23:55] <elijah> lazarus_: and iceroot - I have one deb that was downloaded with klipper (/var/cache/apt/archives/qt4-doc_4%3a4.7.4-0ubuntu8.1_all.deb ), it is taking up nearly 100MB of the data. By following the instructions for removing Kubuntu from Ubuntu I don't see where it will remove that documentation. Will it?
[23:55] <Praxi> k thanks EvilResistance , just ran a disable to it, but wasn't sure what its default state was
[23:56] <EvilResistance> Praxi, if you didnt configure it, its default state is set to ALLOW
[23:56] <Praxi> trying to use mysql workbench on a install a LAMP install
[23:56] <Praxi> keeps giving me not allowed so trying to figure out where my problem is :)
[23:56] <EvilResistance> Praxi, by default, MySQL doesnt listen to the internet
[23:56] <EvilResistance> its set to be local-only
[23:56] <Praxi> ya I changed it to its IP in the .conf
[23:56] <Praxi> then restarted mysql
[23:56] <elijah> unless maybe (/var/cache/apt/archives/qt4-doc_4%3a4.7.4-0ubuntu8.1_all.deb) is actually kubuntu-docs?
[23:57] <starn> escott: i'm using the commandline tool but it doesn't appear to want to scan the disk


[11:56]  * MacSlow -> lunch
[15:36] <tedg> mpt: Can we talk about time a little bit? :)
[15:36] <tedg> mpt: Mark had mentioned having the time in the messaging indicator be time elapsed.
[15:36] <tedg> mpt: I was just going to do minutes if it's minutes and hours if it's hours.  Do you think it needs to be more sophisticated?
[15:40] <mpt> tedg, not sure, but my first thought was to show relative time for <60 minutes ago and absolute time for greater
[15:41] <tedg> mpt: That seems like a confusing change.  I think having both would confuse me.
[15:42] <tedg> For sure you couldn't look at it quickly.
[15:43] <mpt> tedg, Nautilus has a similar switch, using relative dates for things modified today or yesterday, absolute dates for anything older.
[15:43] <mpt> and Thunderbird omits the day for messages received today.
[15:46] <tedg> mpt: The mail case isn't change the information provided, it's just changing the amount of detail.  We'd be changing from relative to absolute.
[15:46] <mpt> sure
[15:46] <tedg> mpt: And in the Nautilus case they have more space to provide that distinction.  They can do "4 minutes ago" where we'd be doing "3 m".
[15:47] <mpt> true
[15:48] <mpt> so for space reasons, I think it would make more sense just to stick with absolute times
[15:48] <tedg> For locale reasons I'd prefer to stick with relative times ;)
[15:49] <tedg> It solves the problem of "I prefer X type of time" which is tricky, and goes beyond locale.
[15:58] <tcole> there's also the issue that people think more in terms of relative time
[16:02] <tedg> tcole: Absolutely! ;)


[08:17] <CIA-28> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r294 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/debian/changelog:
[08:17] <CIA-28> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: * Freeze exception (LP: #649597).
[08:17] <CIA-28> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: * Updated screenshots from the Ubuntu 10.10 desktop tour. Thanks
[08:17] <CIA-28> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu:  Dylan McCall and Mat Tomaszewski.
[08:19] <CIA-28> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r295 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/slideshows/ubuntu/slides/screenshots/customise.jpeg: Add updated customize screenshot.
[08:35] <CIA-28> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r296 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ (235 files in 6 dirs):
[08:35] <CIA-28> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: * Fix update-launchpad-translations to cope with no-longer-existant
[08:35] <CIA-28> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu:  slideshows.
[08:35] <CIA-28> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: * Update translations from Launchpad.
[08:35] <CIA-28> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: * Remove translations not present in localechooser, and thus not
[08:35] <CIA-28> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu:  available during install.
[08:41] <CIA-28> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r297 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 27
[08:43] <ev> phew
[08:43]  * ev wipes sweat from brow
[13:05] <CIA-28> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1365 ubuntu/debian/changelog: No-change rebuild to pick up new components.
[13:05] <CIA-28> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1366 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20100211ubuntu28
[13:58] <ara> ev, cjwatson, superm1: great work on ubiquity! the installation experience is really good :)
[14:05] <ev> hooray!
[14:05] <ev> thanks
[14:05] <ev> though much appreciation goes to michaelforrest who did the design work
[15:39] <ara> ev, hello, I tried to to use usb-creator in maverick to create a netbook image (also maverick) and it does not boot :(
[15:39] <ara> ara@sushirider:~$ apt-cache policy usb-creator-gtk
[15:39] <ara> usb-creator-gtk:
[15:39] <ara>   Installed: 0.2.25
[15:39] <ara>   Candidate: 0.2.25
[15:40] <ev> ara: can you elaborate on does not boot?  How far does it get?
[15:40] <ara> ev, nothing, syslinux complains about gfxboot not being a known keyword
[15:43] <cjwatson> sounds like you have an old syslinux installed?
[15:43] <ev> which would be odd, given that usb-creator dd's over the code area
[15:44] <ev> hm, or does it
[15:44] <ev> nope, definitely does
[15:45] <cjwatson> oh I meant an old syslinux package on the system where you're running usb-creator
[15:46] <ev> oh, indeed
[15:46] <ara> ev, cjwatson: forget about it, I chose a wrong .iso image
[15:47] <ev> we probably should explicitly depend on syslinux >= 2:4.01+dfsg-3ubuntu1
[15:47] <ev> ara: can you tell me more about this wrong image?
[15:47] <ev> was it an Ubuntu image?
[15:47] <ara> ev, it was 10.04, instead of 10.10 ;-)
[15:48] <ev> ahhh
[15:48] <ev> :)
[19:42] <highvoltage> cjwatson, ev: In Ubiquity, the first page says "You may wish to read the release notes." which points to http://ubuntu.com currently
[19:43] <highvoltage> cjwatson: I know it might not be possible for this release, but would there be a way for us to make it point to the Edubuntu release notes for Edubuntu?
[20:30] <NCommander> cjwatson: ev, ogra, anyone else with casper experience: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/643791
[20:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 643791 in casper (Ubuntu) "Installation icon missing from Dove live image. (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Triaged]
[20:52] <shtylman_> openoffice forked... interesting...
[20:56] <NCommander> shtylman_: its happened before.
[20:57] <shtylman_> go-oo? or something else?
[21:00] <NCommander> shtylman_: that, and I there is NeoOffice/J
[21:03] <cjwatson> NCommander: you forgot to bzr add the new file, apparently
[21:06] <NCommander> cjwatson: I buried my shame, and posted the file.
[21:07] <shtylman_> haha
[21:15] <CIA-28> partman-base: cjwatson * r212 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog parted_server.c):
[21:15] <CIA-28> partman-base: Expand the small gap we leave at the end of the disk to avoid MD
[21:15] <CIA-28> partman-base: superblock ambiguity so that it correctly covers the region where
[21:15] <CIA-28> partman-base: ambiguity might arise. The previous gap was insufficient on disks that
[21:15] <CIA-28> partman-base: were between 512 and 65535 bytes larger than a multiple of 1048576 bytes
[21:15] <CIA-28> partman-base: (LP: #569900).
[21:25] <CIA-28> partman-base: cjwatson * r209 lucid-proposed/ (debian/changelog parted_server.c):
[21:25] <CIA-28> partman-base: Expand the small gap we leave at the end of the disk to avoid MD
[21:25] <CIA-28> partman-base: superblock ambiguity so that it correctly covers the region where
[21:25] <CIA-28> partman-base: ambiguity might arise. The previous gap was insufficient on disks that
[21:25] <CIA-28> partman-base: were between 512 and 65535 bytes larger than a multiple of 1048576 bytes
[21:25] <CIA-28> partman-base: (LP: #569900).
[21:26] <CIA-28> partman-base: cjwatson * r213 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 141ubuntu2
[22:30] <shtylman_> ev: will there be new artwork for the intro screen to the installer? where there is now a giant cd and computer thing?
[22:32] <cjwatson> highvoltage: we use a single URL scheme which goes to a redirect table on www.ubuntu.com.  Please ask the website folks to add appropriate entries for you - probably best to file a bug on the ubuntu-website product
[22:33] <cjwatson> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes?os=edubuntu&ver=10.10&lang=en (for various lang=) - the point of the os= bit is so that this can vary by flavour
[22:40] <highvoltage> cjwatson: ok, will do thanks


[01:46] <LinDol_phone> Heavenbus, hi
[03:02] <Heavensbus> LinDol_phone: hi
[04:34] <hashem> MrChrisDruif, it's hardcoded when taking screenshots with the PrtSc button
[04:34] <hashem> I looked into it a few months ago and filed a bug in gnome-screenshot on bugzilla.gnome.org
[06:01] <Noskcaj> darkxst, If you have the time, look into why gjs won't rebuild in utopic
[06:28] <darkxst> Noskcaj, its a regression from dbus update
[06:28] <Noskcaj> Any related bug?
[06:29] <darkxst> not yet
[06:29] <darkxst> Noskcaj, you can file one
[06:29] <darkxst> I will be back in a bit
[07:07] <Noskcaj> darkxst, debian may have missed the "add the tests" part
[07:08] <Noskcaj> The folder isn't included in the tarball
[07:08] <darkxst> Noskcaj, debian/tests/?
[07:08] <Noskcaj> yeah
[07:09] <Noskcaj> in the svn log, it's the most recent thing, so i'm assuming it was missed
[07:12] <darkxst> Noskcaj, they were in my patch https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=5;filename=gjs-autopkgtests.debdiff;att=1;bug=758587
[07:26] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Debian forgot "svn add" until afterwards
[07:37] <darkxst> Noskcaj, ok, think I fixed the tests, so will get ah to include that as well
[07:41] <darkxst> Noskcaj, http://pastebin.com/gnVf5f6t
[07:42] <Noskcaj> thanks. i'll link it to him
[10:04] <LinDol> hi all
[10:04] <LinDol> Heavensbus, hi
[23:48] <ahoneybun> hey darkxst