[12:10] <zul> dholbach: i might have to beg for an upload laer..
[12:10] <givre> pygi: right
[12:10] <dholbach> zul: no problem
[12:10] <dholbach> seeya
[12:10] <LaserJock> good night dholbach
[12:12] <pygi> givre: if daniel thinks it's good if you apply that patch he mentioned, then it's good by me, tho perhaps it would be better if you didn't include patch system and just patched source directly
[12:12] <pygi> ntfs-3g_20060920-0ubuntu2.diff.gz is kind of patch system for itself anyway
[12:12] <pygi> but it's fine, just ignore me :)
[12:15] <Toadstool> Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS><-- this is new or I missed another improvement?
[12:15] <Toadstool> (with the Original-Maintainer: field)
[12:15] <LaserJock> ohhh
[12:16] <ajmitch> Toadstool: recent change on launchpad
[12:16] <LaserJock> Toadstool: where did you see that
[12:16] <givre> pygi: what do you mean by patching source directly ?
[12:16] <Toadstool> LaserJock: apt-cache show quicksynergy
[12:16] <Toadstool> ajmitch: ok, cool :)
[12:16] <pygi> givre: well, patching the source with a diff instead of including patch system?
[12:17] <LaserJock> well, that's the implementation from that Debian decision, right?
[12:17] <givre> pygi: for the ldconfig stuff ?
[12:17] <pygi> givre: yup
[12:17] <pygi> givre: but as I said, feel free to ignore me :)
[12:19] <givre> pygi: ok, didn't know that there were an exception for that, i usualy follow the 'don't touch the source' religion
[12:20] <pygi> givre: don't worry, it's fine this way as well, at least patch system related. I'm just telling you what I personally prefer:)
[12:21] <pygi> givre: you applied that debdiff from daniel?
[12:25] <givre> pygi: right, and then i follow the advice of Fujitsu (debian/changelog & README.Debian stuff...)
[12:25] <pygi> givre: dunno what was Fujitsu's advice, but he's probably right whatever he suggested :)
[12:26] <Fujitsu> I'm pretty sure I'm right :)
[12:26] <pygi> Fujitsu: have I said anything wrong? :)
[12:27] <givre> Fujitsu: of course you are right :)
[12:27] <Fujitsu> Well, not wrong, but patching the source in the .diff.gz is a little against my policies, but it's OK.
[12:27] <pygi> Fujitsu: hm, interesting :)
[12:27] <pygi> Fujitsu: any reasons why? :)
[12:28] <Fujitsu> It makes changes harder to weed out.
[12:28] <Fujitsu> With stuff in debian/patches, the different patches are obviously seperated.
[12:28] <micahcowan> pygi, ...than if you use a patch system that goes under debian/ .
[12:28] <pygi> micahcowan: I know that ;)
[12:29] <Fujitsu> Whereas with manual patching in the .diff.gz, you can't see the seperate changes.
[12:29] <Fujitsu> And you have to run diff to actually see the changes.
[12:29] <micahcowan> And you can't back out individual changes.
[12:29] <Fujitsu> micahcowan, exactly what I said :)
[12:29] <micahcowan> Er, yeah, I guess you did.
[12:30] <pygi> micahcowan: if I know the package I maintain, don't see reasons why I couldn't remove the patch any time it's needed
[12:31] <givre> pygi: the advantage could be when different people maintain the same package
[12:32] <micahcowan> Yeah, but if you get to where you have perhaps 12 different patches (not at all uncommon), and decide you need to pull one of them back out, a patches system makes that a whole lot easier.
[12:32] <pygi> givre: right, if you create a new package you can use dpatch or whatever, but I don't think it's recommened to add patch system to synced debian packages for example who don't already have it
[12:32] <micahcowan> Even more important (imo), if you find there's a bug between the orig and patched versions, you can use the patching system to isolate which patch broke it.
[12:33] <micahcowan> pygi, right, I wouldn't do that.
[12:33] <pygi> givre: that's the reason why I said you can ignore my suggestions :)
[12:33] <givre> pygi: ok, i'll ignore it :)
[12:33] <pygi> micahcowan: in that case, better just to patch directly :)
[12:35] <pygi> ok, I'll just stop now :)
[12:35] <givre> pygi: but i'll remenber your advice about debian packages ;)
[12:36] <Fujitsu> micahcowan, some people do do that, it's a trade-off.
[12:36] <micahcowan> do what, switch the debian package to a patching system?
[12:36] <pygi> Fujitsu: but would you say that's a good practice? I wouldn't :P
[12:37] <pygi> givre: yes, that's one of rare good advices I give :)
[12:37] <Fujitsu> But patching the source manually is /incredibly/ bad practice.
[12:37] <micahcowan> pygi, I could see doing it in some situations. Like, when it's all gotten just too convoluted.
[12:37] <Fujitsu> Adding a patch system increases divergence from Debian, but makes the divergence a whole lot easier to manage.
[12:38] <Fujitsu> It's only a couple of lines of changes to add a patch system, anyway.
[12:39] <micahcowan> So, it basically depends on which one will be harder to manage: the disparity between the Ubuntu and Debian versions, or the convolutions of all the patches being schlumped altogether, yes?
[12:39] <micahcowan> (I'ma patent the use of the word "schlumped")
[12:39] <Fujitsu> micahcowan, pretty much.
[12:40] <givre> all that is really interesting guys, but it doesn't make my change uploading or even advocating :)
[12:40] <micahcowan> also weighed against the psychological harm of having to deal with direct-patching the source :)
[12:41] <Fujitsu> Yeah, I could never bring myself to direct-patch the source, it's just wrong wrong wrong.
[12:41] <micahcowan> Not as wrong as direct-patching the source... that resides in .orig.tgz would be :D
[12:42] <Fujitsu> Urgh urgh urgh.
[12:42] <givre> lol
[12:43] <pygi> hehe :)
[12:44] <ajmitch> what an interesting reaction from Fujitsu
[12:44] <ajmitch> I'd better not show him my packages
[12:45] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, wouldn't you do that at the suggestion of patching the .orig.tgz?
[12:45] <ajmitch> usually, yes
[12:46] <zul> uh...better not see xen-tools then
[12:46] <Fujitsu> zul, I don't plan to see it :P
[12:46] <ajmitch> zul: protect his poor innocent eyes
[12:47] <Nafallo> hmm, something is wrong. the buildds are idling :-P
[12:47] <Fujitsu> Nafallo, impossible!
[12:48] <ajmitch> Nafallo: yes, edgy needs unfrozen by a launchpad admin
[12:57] <givre> stupid network
[12:58] <givre> nobody to advocate http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3298 ?
[01:13] <Fujitsu> givre, why did you change the download URL?
[01:14] <givre> Fujitsu: i change nothing
[01:14] <givre> (how can i)
[01:15] <Fujitsu> -It was downloaded from http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfs-3g-download.html
[01:15] <Fujitsu> +It was downloaded from http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfs-3g-20070920-BETA.tgz
[01:15] <givre> a right
[01:15] <givre> i though it was better since  http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfs-3g-download.html will not always redirct you to the 20070920 version but to the currant version
[01:16] <givre> and i didn't know if i had to include that in the changelog
[01:16] <Fujitsu> Remember that debian/copyright shouldn't have to change each time you make a new release.
[01:17] <Fujitsu> So the original one is better.
[01:17] <Nafallo> it's not really about where to find the source on the ever changing web. it's where YOU found the source :-)
[01:18] <Fujitsu> I was told it should be the URL of the download page, the not the tarball itself.
[01:18] <Fujitsu> Nafallo, probably ;P
[01:18] <givre> Fujitsu: ok, so i revert the change ?
[01:18] <Fujitsu> givre, I believe so.
[01:19] <sistpoty> Nafallo: maybe /dev/random?
[01:19] <pygi> siretart: why not /dev/null then? :)
[01:19] <givre> Fujitsu: i'll do that
[01:19] <sistpoty> pygi: it won't give you anything :P
[01:19] <Nafallo> sistpoty: hehe, I could not possible find a tarball there now, could I? ;-)
[01:19] <pygi> siretart: anything is something, also
[01:19] <pygi> sistpoty: *
[01:19] <sistpoty> Nafallo: just try long enough ;)
[01:19] <pygi> sorry sir-etart :)
[01:19] <Nafallo> :-P
[01:20] <pygi> sistpoty: don't discriminate nothing :)
[01:20] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:28] <givre> Fujitsu: done :http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3299
[01:30] <Fujitsu> Can a more knowledgeable MOTU please tell me if I can just upload an updated package with the same version number of an existing one in NEW?
[01:30] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: unlikely
[01:30] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, OK... There's a small change in ntfs-3g, do I upload it now?
[01:31] <givre> Fujitsu: ntfs-3g_20060920-0ubuntu2 is not in NEW
[01:31] <Fujitsu> No, but -0ubuntu1 is.
[01:32] <tuxmaniac> Guys.. Can I upgrade to edgy now? Any issues found in upgrading from Dapper to Edgy?
[01:32] <givre> Fujitsu: ah ok, i understand
[01:32] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: up to you
[01:32] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, so things shouldn't explode if I do?
[01:33] <ajmitch> you'll fine out - I'm fairly sure that it'll reject it if the version is the same as in NEW
[01:33] <Q-FUNK> tuxmaniac: fire at will
[01:34] <tuxmaniac> Q-FUNK> firing
[01:34] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, why would you upload the same version number ?
[01:34] <tuxmaniac> Has the beta been released?
[01:34] <ajmitch> tuxmaniac: yes
[01:34] <imbrandon> tuxmaniac, yes
[01:34] <tuxmaniac> w0w0w0w0
[01:34] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, it's just a very minor change, so I thought it would be better to be -0ubuntu1 if possible.
[01:34] <Q-FUNK> YES
[01:35] <Fujitsu> But -0ubuntu2 it is.
[01:35] <tuxmaniac> see ya guys..
[01:35] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: I could be wrong, of course
[01:35] <Q-FUNK> dist-upgrade -u
[01:35] <tuxmaniac> Its 5 in the morning here..
[01:35] <tuxmaniac> Q-FUNK> whats -u flag for?
[01:35] <Q-FUNK> 2:35 here and I really should be getting some sleep
[01:36] <Fujitsu> Q-FUNK, I think -d wants to be thrown in there as well...
[01:36] <Q-FUNK> tuxmaniac: to upgrade packages that need a new dependency too
[01:36] <Fujitsu> (because it hasn't been released yet)
[01:36] <Fujitsu> Oh.
[01:36] <Fujitsu> dist-upgrade, not update-notifier thing.
[01:36] <Q-FUNK> aye
[01:37] <Q-FUNK> as in apt-get option
[01:37] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[01:37] <Q-FUNK> aga nd ma peaksin nukkuma
[01:38] <Q-FUNK> 'night!
[01:38] <Fujitsu> Bye, tuxmaniac.
[01:38] <Fujitsu> Goodnight.
[01:44] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: You busy atm?
[01:44] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, nope.
[01:44] <Fujitsu> Well, I'm doing something else, but it can be temporarily stopped.
[01:44] <TheMuso> COuld I give you a debdiff to review/upload for me please? The package you will need the source for is espeak.
[01:44] <Fujitsu> OK, fine :)
[01:44] <TheMuso> The debdiff is at http://www.themuso.id.au/ubuntu/1.15-0ubuntu1_1.15-0ubuntu2.diff
[01:45] <TheMuso> Something I kinda missed when updating the package originally. :)
[01:45] <Fujitsu> I'll fix up a spelling mistake or two in the changelog entry, if you don't mind :)
[01:45] <TheMuso> no :)
[01:47] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso
[01:47] <TheMuso> Hey imbrandon.
[01:47] <TheMuso> How goes it/
[01:48] <Fujitsu> Anybody here know how to force mod_python into reloading a script?
[01:49] <imbrandon> good, busy but good ;)
[01:52] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: you can try with "PythonAutoReload On" in .htaccess/apache-conf
[01:52] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: but it never seemed to work the way intended for me though
[01:52] <Fujitsu> sistpoty, I did, it doesn't seem to work if the script dies. :(
[01:52] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: the only thing I then do is to restart apache :(
[01:53] <Fujitsu> Yeah, though even that sometimes doesn't work. mod_python is a strange being.
[01:53] <sistpoty> definitely!
[01:54] <Fujitsu> But it'
[01:54] <Fujitsu> *it's great when it works.
[01:54] <Fujitsu> Uploaded, TheMuso.
[01:54] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: thanks.
[01:54] <Fujitsu> No problem.
[01:59] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, espeak is quite impressive!
[01:59] <TheMuso> You playing with it?
[02:00] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[02:00] <TheMuso> Tis one of the best speech synthesizers around at the moment that is open source.
[02:00] <Fujitsu> It's very good, and it's small as well.
[02:00] <TheMuso> Yep,
[02:01] <Fujitsu> A valuable and worthwhile addition to universe, I think.
[02:01] <Fujitsu> But it uses OSS :(
[02:01] <TheMuso> PortAudio actually
[02:01] <Fujitsu> Which uses OSS, I suppose.
[02:02] <Fujitsu> Yes, it does. That's unfortunate :(
[02:03] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[02:03] <lupine_85> aoss ++ :)
[02:04] <TheMuso> But it can output wave files, which can easily be piped through to aplay
[02:17] <sistpoty> does anyone know how I can push my local revu2 branch back to launchpad?
[02:18] <imbrandon> sistpoty, cant you just bzr push ?
[02:19] <imbrandon> and / or bzr push <url>
[02:19] <sistpoty> imbrandon: yay, thanks... I just found out that I got the directory wrong :)
[02:19] <imbrandon> hehe ;)
[02:19] <sistpoty> it's doing s.th. right now (i hope the right thing *g*)
[02:21] <Fujitsu> sistpoty, I noticed that REVU2 was missing from LP... I must have a look at it.
[02:22] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: it's still a long way to go :/... https://launchpad.net/people/revu-hackers/+branch/revu/revu2-trunk
[02:22] <Fujitsu> Well, I'm happy to work on any REVU-thing if you want.
[02:23] <Fujitsu> http://theblight.net/misc/germany.jpg
[02:23] <TheMuso> Cool Found out this morning about a newly open-sourced OCR engine.
[02:23] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, nice... Which?
[02:24] <TheMuso> http://sourceforge.net/projects/tesseract-ocr
[02:24] <imbrandon> TheMuso, always can go into F.... F.... ;)
[02:24] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: sure, every help is welcome :)
[02:24] <TheMuso> imbrandon: ?
[02:24] <Fujitsu> sistpoty, I plan to help :)
[02:24] <imbrandon> e.g edgy+1
[02:24] <TheMuso> Thats the plan.
[02:24] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:24] <TheMuso> Just need to make sure all the code in it is licensed properly.
[02:25] <Fujitsu> sistpoty, that branch is broken:
[02:25] <Fujitsu> `Launchpad could not mirror this branch at 2006-09-29 10:20:09 EST.  The error was: Not a branch: /srv/sm-ng/push-branches/00/00/05/61/;
[02:25] <sistpoty> grml...
[02:25] <sistpoty> I suck at bzr!
[02:25] <Fujitsu> sistpoty, or LP could be the sucky thing.
[02:26] <sistpoty> maybe... I'll retry pushing
[02:26] <Fujitsu> Last revision on LP is r77...
[02:28] <TheMuso> THis is weir.
[02:28] <TheMuso> weird.
[02:28] <Fujitsu> What is?
[02:28] <TheMuso> Part of this code is said to be licensed differently, but I can't find exactly what license it is supposed to be under.
[02:29] <Fujitsu> I'm downloading it, and I'll look at it...
[02:30] <TheMuso> I don't mind packaging it, but I don't think it can be unless the license of one of the bits of code is clearly layed out.
[02:30] <TheMuso> It is under the apache license
[02:30] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: now this is weird... bzr checkout<EMAIL_ADDRESS>gets me the latest revision
[02:34] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, is it clearly said which files are under which licenses?
[02:34] <TheMuso> not really no
[02:35] <TheMuso> The README/COPYING files say that the aspirin directory contents are licensed differently, but an exact license is not stated.
[02:36] <Fujitsu> Yes it is.
[02:36] <Fujitsu> And it's not compliant with the DFSG.
[02:36] <Fujitsu> `If you wish to use it for commercial gain you must contact
[02:36] <Fujitsu> The MITRE Corporation for conditions of use.'
[02:36] <Fujitsu> I wonder how critical that file is....
[02:36] <TheMuso> Yeah I saw that.
[02:36] <TheMuso> but I sitll think it is a little vague.
[02:37] <TheMuso> hmmm damn
[02:37] <TheMuso> SO it is not entirely open source then.
[02:37] <TheMuso> This stinks.
[02:37] <Fujitsu> It is open source, just not DFSG-free.
[02:37] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[02:38] <TheMuso> What are the rules/guidelines for packages in multiverse?
[02:38] <Fujitsu> I'm going to see what that non-free bit does.
[02:38] <TheMuso> What is even more annoying is that the aspirin code is included in the final binary.
[02:38] <Fujitsu> Oh, I think I see what it does.
[02:38] <TheMuso> Wow thats quick
[02:38] <TheMuso> How do you know?
[02:40] <Fujitsu> It's something to do with a network...
[02:40] <Fujitsu> OK, now I Google!
[02:40] <Fujitsu> Neural network simulator...
[02:40] <Fujitsu> OK, now just how critical is it..
[02:40] <TheMuso> :q
[02:40] <TheMuso> gah wrong console
[02:41] <TheMuso> Whats more, they don't include the autoconf surce file for the configure script
[02:41] <Fujitsu> That's true.
[02:42] <TheMuso> Idiots
[02:42] <TheMuso> Removed configure.ac
[02:43] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[02:45] <TheMuso> Yes, cvs does have configure.ac
[02:45] <Fujitsu> Ah, that's good.
[02:45] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[02:47] <Fujitsu> sistpoty, what's the latest revision you get when you checkout via SFTP?
[02:48] <Fujitsu> (I think the SFTP and HTTP versions must be out of sync)
[02:48] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: I'm just repairing the repository with the help of jamesh
[02:48] <Fujitsu> OK, good :)
[02:50] <Fujitsu> Ah, I see.
[02:55] <Fujitsu> Damnit. Of course, I can't see the branch through SFTP, 'cause I'm not in the group.
[02:55] <Fujitsu> That would be part of the reason it was exploding so badly.
[03:00] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: you sure you uploaded espeak?
[03:00] <TheMuso> I can't see anything in edgy changes archives
[03:01] <ajmitch> TheMuso: maybe it still had unstable in the changelog
[03:01] <TheMuso> ajmitch: no
[03:01] <TheMuso> It didn't.
[03:03] <TheMuso> And it was a deps fix
[03:03] <Fujitsu> Remember that Edgy is still frozen.
[03:03] <Fujitsu> It needs to be manually approved.
[03:03] <TheMuso> ah right
[03:04] <ajmitch> right, forgot that they hadn't thawed it out
[03:04] <TheMuso> same here
[03:04] <Fujitsu> Yeah, 'tis annoying.
[03:08] <Fujitsu> Now to wait 15 minutes for REVU2 trunk to mirror :(
[03:09] <sistpoty> I'll better do a test-checkout to see if it's really all there
[03:09] <Fujitsu> Yes, before 11:20 would be good :)
[03:09] <Fujitsu> As I don't want to have to wait another mirroring cycle.
[03:10] <Fujitsu> I don't see why they can't have commit hooks that automagically update the mirror.
[03:10] <Fujitsu> That'd give a much better experience.
[03:11] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: it's all there :)
[03:11] <sistpoty> now I need a cigarette *g*
[03:11] <Fujitsu> sistpoty, yay :)
[03:24] <f4t4l`> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=267597
[03:25] <imbrandon> f4t4l`, this isnt the place for support ( but i would image you need to hit f6 at the boot menu and add  acpi=off )
[03:27] <f4t4l`> hmmmm
[03:27] <f4t4l`> To add acpi=off?
[03:34] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: should be on the mirror now (at least lp displays it now)
[03:36] <Fujitsu> sistpoty, yes, I checked it out a few minutes ago.
[03:36] <Fujitsu> r78 is the latest?
[03:36] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: yes
[03:37] <Fujitsu> Yay :)
[03:43] <LaserJock> oh heck yeah
[03:44] <Fujitsu> ?
[03:44] <LaserJock> sorry
[03:44] <LaserJock> I've got my own internet presence now ;-)
[03:44] <Fujitsu> Yay!
[03:44] <Fujitsu> What domain?
[03:44] <crimsun> "now"?
[03:44] <imbrandon> LaserJock, cool, but dident you have a blog before? or you mean a full domain
[03:45] <LaserJock> http://laserjock.us/blog
[03:45] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:45] <Fujitsu> Haha, nice.
[03:45] <LaserJock> imbrandon: yeah, I had a blog on wordpress
[03:45] <LaserJock> but this is like full serverness
[03:45] <LaserJock> with domain
[03:46] <imbrandon> nice, my blog is wordpress ( self hosted etc etc etc ) so if you need a hand with anything lemme know, i've gotten prettyy good at hacking wp to do my bidding
[03:46] <LaserJock> now I might even be on planet.u.c here pretty soon
[03:46] <imbrandon> infact i just added a last.fm script to mine yesterday ;)
[03:47] <imbrandon> rockin
[03:47] <crimsun> hehe, all the deities on puc
[03:47] <imbrandon> ;) speakin of crimsun where is your diety blog on puc ;)
[03:48] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:48] <crimsun> launchpad.net/people/me is my blog.
[03:48] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:49] <LaserJock> I don't get enough of your profound Ubuntu wisdom
[03:49] <LaserJock> you must blog it to the world ;-)
[03:49] <LaserJock> crimsun: I so wish people would do a bit more blogging there
[03:53] <Fujitsu> revu-bot, ey....
[03:53] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: well, that happens if I code with too many beer :)
[03:54] <Fujitsu> Heheh.
[03:54] <LaserJock> oh geeze
[03:54] <LaserJock> non of that now
[03:54] <ajmitch> but we must!
[03:57] <imbrandon> awe i cant get an account on LaserJock's blog yet
[03:57] <LaserJock> you didn't!
[03:58] <Fujitsu> What a useful class LaunchpadInteraction is at the moment :)
[03:59] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: yep... there are probably more stubs like this... revu2 is still a bit to go :/
[03:59] <Fujitsu> Yeah, I know.
[03:59] <Fujitsu> Any suggestions for stuff to work on?
[03:59] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: hm...
[03:59] <bddebian> *cough*bugs*cough*
[04:00] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: lots of bugs in universe
[04:00] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: what about launchpadinteraction? (there should be some stuff in revu1 to give some hints)
[04:00] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: but anything else is ok as well
[04:00] <Fujitsu> sistpoty, I was thinking of that :)
[04:01] <Fujitsu> I've done some LP stuff before.
[04:01] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: (apart from ChangesChecker... as I'm working on this one right now ;)
[04:01] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I haven't even written anything yet :-)
[04:01] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, so what?
[04:01] <Fujitsu> We can still fanboy it, even if it's contentless :)
[04:05] <Fujitsu> sistpoty, shouldn't LaunchpadUser's constructor take a username, not an email?
[04:06] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: not quite sure about LaunchpadUser yet...
[04:07] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, hahah/
[04:07] <Fujitsu> Good idea.
[04:07] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: I'll need to get an LaunchpadUser by email (since the email is in the changes file), but apart from that LaunchpadUser is just s.th. I wrote in 5 minutes
[04:07] <Fujitsu> A good point you have there.
[04:07] <ajmitch> besides, launchpad tends to use email addresses to login with
[04:07] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: feel free to change it as you seem fit
[04:08] <ajmitch> it's a bit weird like that
[04:08] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: that should be covered by launchpadinteraction, so lpuser is pretty much standalone
[04:08] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, yeah, the username doesn't actually mean anything.
[04:08] <Fujitsu> Now, I wonder if there is a sane way to get info about a user...
[04:08] <Fujitsu> Knowing LP, definitely not.
[04:08] <ajmitch> what info do you need?
[04:09] <Fujitsu> Well, display name, the username of a user given an email address...
[04:09] <Fujitsu> There's a machine-parseable (ie. RDF) method to get keys for a given user or group, but that's about it.
[04:10] <ajmitch> ah right
[04:10] <ajmitch> so you need to map the other way
[04:10] <ajmitch> which means probably asking in #launchpad
[04:10] <Fujitsu> I thought so, yes.
[04:11] <ajmitch> waiting 6 months for code to land
[04:11] <Fujitsu> I asked here first, just in case.
[04:11] <ajmitch> and then getting confused
[04:11] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, only 6 months?
[04:11] <ajmitch> that's an optimistic guess
[04:11] <ajmitch> sometimes it depends on what they have prioritised
[04:11] <ajmitch> s/sometimes//
[04:11] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: you can pretty much fill in anything for displayname right now... I didn't even think about what would be best use as displayname in revu2
[04:12] <Fujitsu> Yeah, it's not critical, but it might be nice.
[04:12] <sistpoty> hehe
[04:15] <sistpoty> hm... don't we have a ticket still open for rpc access from tiber? *g*
[04:15] <Fujitsu> sistpoty, I was wondering if you were looking into that.
[04:15] <Hobbsee> morning all
[04:15] <Fujitsu> Hey Hobbsee.
[04:16] <Hobbsee> hi Fujitsu
[04:16] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: it's not very high on my TODO list  ;)
[04:16] <ajmitch> Hobbsee!!
[04:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch!!
[04:17] <ajmitch> hi
[04:19] <sistpoty> hi Hobbsee
[04:20] <Hobbsee> hey sistpoty
[04:26] <sistpoty> ok, I'll need to go to bed now... (and I hope I didn't destroy the archive again, I just pushed from the wrong directory and had to do a merge then, but I think everything is fine now)
[04:26] <TheMuso> Hey Hobbsee.
[04:26] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[04:28] <Hobbsee> hi TheMuso
[04:29] <crimsun> neat, new openssh 4.4p has optional selinux support
[04:29] <imbrandon> cool
[04:30] <imbrandon> i've never really understood the whole selinux thing
[04:30] <ajmitch> crimsun: useful
[04:30] <ajmitch> imbrandon: it's all fine :)
[04:31] <imbrandon> heh
[04:31] <imbrandon> hey who is doing the universe uvf's ?
[04:32] <ajmitch> see ubuntu-motu list
[04:32] <ajmitch> motu-uvf team on launchpad
[04:32] <ajmitch> dholbach, slomo & siretart
[04:32] <imbrandon> k thanks
[04:32] <ajmitch> back in a bit..
[05:05] <imbrandon> ajmitch, since your a standin for the next few days can you poke bug 62901 when you make it home
[05:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62901 in mythplugins "Universe UVFe for 0.20" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62901
[05:06] <imbrandon> and siretart ^^ ( if your not afk )
[05:07] <ajmitch> afaik slomo isn't away for a few days yet
[05:08] <imbrandon> ahh ok i must have misread
[05:08] <imbrandon> the email
[05:09] <imbrandon> thast the only problem i see , all these guys arent on in the time i'm awake
[05:09] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:10] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[05:10] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[05:10] <imbrandon> didja blog yet ? didja blog yet ? huh huh huh LaserJock , didja blog yet ?
[05:10] <ajmitch> the celebrity blogger returns
[05:10] <imbrandon> lol
[05:10] <LaserJock> oh man
[05:11] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:11] <bddebian> LaserJock: Heh, now you know how I feel :-)
[05:11] <imbrandon> heheh bddebian
[05:46] <imbrandon> [22:44]  <eean> imbrandon: ping. how do you add a directory to the library search path in ubuntu? :)
[05:47] <imbrandon> shouldent it just be set in LD_LIB_PATH
[05:47] <imbrandon> eg export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[05:51] <LaserJock> hmm, anybody know anything about joomla?
[05:54] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, barely.
[05:54] <Fujitsu> I use Drupal for a couple of things, but not Joomla!.
[05:54] <TheMuso> drupal rocks
[05:55] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, yup.
[06:13] <imbrandon> ajmitch, do you touch banshee most of the time, or someone else ?
[06:13] <ajmitch> slomo_
[06:13] <imbrandon> kk
[06:13] <ajmitch> he's debian maintainer
[06:14] <ajmitch> I just end up sponsoring it
[06:14] <imbrandon> ahh
[06:14] <ajmitch> you have banshee-daap?
[06:14] <imbrandon> yup
[06:14] <ajmitch> avahi-daemon installed & enabled?
[06:14] <imbrandon> umm no idea
[06:14] <imbrandon> i'm not a normal gnome user but i thought i would try it on the lappy
[06:14] <imbrandon> heh
[06:14] <ajmitch> check /etc/default/avahi-daemon
[06:15] <imbrandon> yea its set to 1
[06:16] <imbrandon> and started via /etc/init.d
[06:18] <ajmitch> and how do you see that it's not working?
[06:19] <imbrandon> well i have mt-daap running on the server and my osx see's it , amarok on this computer see's it ( playing now ) but banshee dont
[06:19] <ajmitch> interesting
[06:19] <ajmitch> I'd ask slomo :)
[06:20] <imbrandon> kk, yea not a real biggie, probably something i'm not doing right
[06:20] <imbrandon> as i'm not real familiar with gnome
[06:20] <joejaxx> imbrandon: i am building the education edition now :)
[06:20] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: hey welcome back
[06:20] <imbrandon> cool
[06:21] <Fujitsu> Hi joejaxx.
[06:21] <Fujitsu> Hm, I didn't realise I'd disconnected until you mentioned it...
[06:21] <Fujitsu> Something's up with my connection.
[06:21] <imbrandon> heh yea you were off about 3 mintes
[06:21] <imbrandon> minutes*
[06:21] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: blame telstra
[06:22] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, I'm on Optus cable, so it's Optus' infrastructure :P
[06:22] <joejaxx> imbrandon: tomorrow i am going to get started on the fluxbuntu-* metapackages for upstream to revu
[06:23] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: blame telstra anyway
[06:23] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, but of course.
[06:24] <imbrandon> you know i really love kde and will always* stick with it but gnome is slick in some cases
[06:24] <imbrandon> specialy on my slower lappy heh
[06:26] <Fujitsu> That partition is about to be Dapperised.
[06:26] <LaserJock> not edgified?
[06:26] <ajmitch> people still use dapper?
[06:26] <Fujitsu> Not yet, it's a production machine.
[06:26] <Fujitsu> I don't use this machine.
[06:26] <imbrandon> whats a dapper ?
[06:26] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, I haven't used it in months :P
[06:27] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, who knows.
[06:27] <joejaxx> imbrandon: :P
[06:28] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, edgy is stableish hehe
[06:28] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, I know, I'm using it now.
[06:28] <imbrandon> sides theres a dev living in house, you can fix it if it breaks
[06:28] <Fujitsu> I 'spose.
[06:28] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:28] <Fujitsu> But I haven't got an ISO here.
[06:29] <Fujitsu> Hm, I am a dev now, yay.
[06:29] <joejaxx> imbrandon: whould you say it is stable enough to upgrade Fluxbuntu to edgy?
[06:29] <joejaxx> at this point?
[06:29] <imbrandon> joejaxx, i wouldent have even started it on dapper
[06:29] <realist> What's fluxbuntu?
[06:29] <joejaxx> imbrandon: wow ok
[06:29] <imbrandon> realist, www.fluxbuntu.org
[06:29] <joejaxx> i will upgrade then
[06:30] <imbrandon> joejaxx, should just be a matter of where you germinate the seed from
[06:30] <imbrandon> simple ;)
[06:30] <joejaxx> imbrandon: i actually customize the livecd's because i do not know how to generate from seeds
[06:30] <imbrandon> ohh
[06:31] <imbrandon> ;/
[06:31] <joejaxx> yeah :\
[06:31] <LaserJock> hmm, well I don't own a "production machine" except if you mean my pbuilder machine
[06:31] <LaserJock> and it runs edgy
[06:31] <joejaxx> imbrandon: so every release of an iso you see i manually did them
[06:31] <Fujitsu> joejaxx, ouch. You may want to work out how to deal with seeds.
[06:31] <imbrandon> ouch
[06:32] <LaserJock> joejaxx: you can combine the approaches
[06:32] <LaserJock> you don't have to necessarily build the CD from scratch
[06:33] <LaserJock> use seeds to make a fluxbuntu-meta package that will produce fluxbuntu-desktop and fluxbuntu-live
[06:34] <joejaxx> LaserJock: i do not know how to generate from seeds
[06:34] <joejaxx> which is the root of that problem
[06:34] <imbrandon> joejaxx, good as time as any to learn ;)
[06:34] <joejaxx> imbrandon: i have been trying to search for information on it
[06:34] <joejaxx> but to no avail
[06:34] <Fujitsu> joejaxx, it makes everything a whole lot easier :)
[06:34] <imbrandon> learning is always good, i dont know /all/ the ins and outs but i do know thats the prefered way ;)
[06:35] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: i know that is why i WANT to learn how to
[06:35] <joejaxx> i can do things when i have documentation ;)
[06:35] <Fujitsu> There's no documentation, AFAIK.
[06:35] <imbrandon> have you read the germinte man page at all ?
[06:35] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: yeah which is why i chose the manual way
[06:36] <Fujitsu> Yeah, I was about to say man germinate
[06:36] <joejaxx> imbrandon: never knew it existed
[06:36] <imbrandon> plus you can always steal the kubuntu/ubuntu seeds and modify ;)
[06:36] <imbrandon> man germinate ;)
[06:36] <joejaxx> hmm /me goes to man germinate
[06:36] <ajmitch> imbrandon: the mythplugins changelog diff, the UVF team wants upstream changelog diffs as well
[06:37] <imbrandon> joejaxx, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement
[06:37] <imbrandon> ajmitch, doh i probably did the wrong changelog in a hurry
[06:37] <imbrandon> i'll grab the right one
[06:37] <ajmitch> also if that's the debian changelog diff, then where're all the other entries?
[06:38] <imbrandon> not a debian changlog diff the ubuntu one
[06:38] <ajmitch> attach build log as well
[06:38] <joejaxx> imbrandon: thanks
[06:38] <imbrandon> ajmitch,  ok
[06:38] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/UVF
[06:38] <Fujitsu> Yeah, probablu.
[06:38] <Fujitsu> *probablyh.
[06:39] <Fujitsu> **probably
[06:39] <imbrandon> probably considering the main one we just did a changelog diff
[06:39] <imbrandon> and that was it
[06:39] <ajmitch> procedures can be discussed on-list, I can't change what is written now :)
[06:41] <ajmitch> sigh
[06:41] <ajmitch> zope-zms was just uploaded to sid
[06:42] <imbrandon> oh i dont mind, doing all this other i just was used to doing main UVF's
[06:43] <ajmitch> this wiki page is unchanged from dapper
[06:43] <imbrandon> ( but it is kinda sill y to do more work for universe )
[06:43] <ajmitch> ask dholbach about it then
[06:44] <ajmitch> since you'd need the consensus of the UVF team to avoid confusion
[06:44] <LaserJock> ajmitch: did you ever get a unmet dep list?
[06:44] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you mean did I ever have time to hook up a public list that we can manage?
[06:44] <ajmitch> no, ENOTIME :)
[06:45] <LaserJock> well no, I was just thinking of a list to start with
[06:45] <ajmitch> right
[06:45] <ajmitch> apt-cache -i unmet |grep Package
[06:45] <Fujitsu> apt-cache -i unmet?
[06:45] <Fujitsu> Yeah, that.
[06:45] <ajmitch> nothing fancy is required
[06:46] <LaserJock> that's it, huh? I thought maybe there was a little more processing
[06:46] <ajmitch> that's it for a basic list
[06:46] <ajmitch> more complex unmet deps can be done
[06:47] <imbrandon> ugh no upstream changelog in the tarbal, /me go's to look at the website
[06:48] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yea i totaly understand about the consinsus and the ML etc etcetc , i wasent really bitching, just forgot
[06:48] <ajmitch> imbrandon: it's good to get it clarified though
[06:48] <imbrandon> ajmitch, but check this out, super simple UVF i filed for main reciently
[06:48] <imbrandon> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/58973
[06:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58973 in amarok "uvf exception request amarok 1.4.3" [Undecided,Fix released]
[06:49] <imbrandon> i'll use that in my email to the list
[06:49] <imbrandon> really just an upstream changelog diff
[06:50] <ajmitch> I'm sure that dholbach doesn't love bureaucracy that much, he just wants to make sure that we don't introduce breakage
[06:50] <imbrandon> yup yup
[06:51] <imbrandon> anyhow lemme find a changelog since its not in the upstream tarball then i'll compose an email for clairfcation
[06:51] <imbrandon> +asking for
[06:51] <LaserJock> I had a decent chat with dholbach this morning
[06:51] <LaserJock> I'm mostly the bureaucracy lover ;-)
[06:52] <imbrandon> hahaha
[06:53] <LaserJock> I'll be emailing -motu soonish to set up a MOTU meeting
[06:53] <ajmitch> great
[06:53] <imbrandon> cool
[06:53] <ajmitch> I might even be able to be there
[06:53] <LaserJock> we need people on track, and on the same page
[06:53] <Fujitsu> Especially at this time.
[06:53] <imbrandon> i dident know MOTU's had meetings hhahahah
[06:53] <LaserJock> ajmitch: you are allowed to be
[06:53] <ajmitch> imbrandon: that's unfortunate
[06:54] <imbrandon> it is
[06:54] <ajmitch> we used to have a few of them for each release
[06:54] <LaserJock> yeah, we used to have them at least once a month
[06:54] <Fujitsu> There haven't been any for Edgy :(
[06:54] <imbrandon> once a month wouldent be bad
[06:54] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I am?
[06:54] <LaserJock> ajmitch: yep, you and bddebian and crimsun
[06:54] <LaserJock> supa MOTUs get their own books
[06:54] <imbrandon> yea but i wasent doing MOTU stuff untill this time last cycle
[06:55] <imbrandon> ajmitch, ^^
[06:55] <Fujitsu> 'cause you three are supa-uber-deities.
[06:55] <ajmitch> LaserJock: oh right, and you have your own library?
[06:55] <imbrandon> ROFLMAO
[06:55] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I get a pamphlet
[06:55] <LaserJock> with pictures
[06:55] <imbrandon> hahahahahaha
[06:55] <LaserJock> I'm a comic book motu ;-)
[06:55] <Fujitsu> Yeah, you're CORE, ajmitch!
[06:56] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: so is imbrandon
[06:56] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, true.
[06:56] <Fujitsu> Yes you is.
[06:57] <Fujitsu> You've got enough teams on your list :P
[06:57] <ajmitch> doesn't mean I do any work
[06:57] <LaserJock> yeah, he's just in it for the emblems
[06:57] <ajmitch> I collect emblems
[06:58] <Fujitsu> I like the AustralianTeam one.
[06:58] <ajmitch> NZTeam emblem >> AustralianTeam
[06:58] <imbrandon> heh
[06:58] <imbrandon> i like the mushroom, i forgot what one thats for
[06:58] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, main-sponsors.
[06:58] <ajmitch> u-main-sponsors
[06:58] <imbrandon> ahh yea
[06:58] <Fujitsu> We have infinity to thank for that :)
[06:59] <LaserJock> I personally think motuscience has the best emblem ;-)
[06:59] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, it isn't bad :)
[06:59] <Fujitsu> I think I've got 6...
[07:00] <imbrandon> wow i got a motureviewers emblem but i'm not on the team , hrm
[07:01] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, ubuntu-dev is a member of it.
[07:01] <imbrandon> oh
[07:01] <ajmitch> yay
[07:01] <Fujitsu> Which?
[07:01] <ajmitch> pkg-zope
[07:01] <imbrandon> heh
[07:02] <Fujitsu> I've tested my Palm m150...
[07:02] <Fujitsu> :
[07:02] <ajmitch> congrats :)
[07:02] <Fujitsu> *:P
[07:02] <Fujitsu> :O
[07:02] <Fujitsu> You admit it!
[07:02] <Fujitsu> You DO SOMETHING!
[07:02] <Fujitsu> Yay :)
[07:02] <imbrandon> my palm VII died reciently
[07:02] <imbrandon> i wonder if it can run a linux kernel
[07:02] <imbrandon> hrm
[07:03] <matid> Morning, everyone
[07:03] <Fujitsu> Hey matid.
[07:03] <imbrandon> died == dead batteries
[07:03] <Fujitsu> :(
[07:04] <imbrandon> ajmitch, if you do add me , i'm always testing it etc etc etc but i dont know much about the internals *yet*
[07:04] <imbrandon> heh
[07:04] <ajmitch> imbrandon: for packaging of xen stuff :)
[07:04] <imbrandon> awe
[07:04] <imbrandon> heh
[07:04] <ajmitch> don't try & collect teams :)
[07:04] <ajmitch> nah
[07:05] <imbrandon> i helped him un-pack it onto my machine ;)
[07:05] <ajmitch> haha
[07:05] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:05] <ajmitch> he was using my box for a lot of kernel building
[07:05] <imbrandon> yea the amd64 stuff
[07:06] <matid> I'm still having problems trying to build a package from CVS. Anyone with more experience in this matter?
[07:06] <imbrandon> really the only team i dont do anything for that i'm on is trinity
[07:07] <imbrandon> lol
[07:07] <imbrandon> ok back to finding a changelog
[07:07] <imbrandon> brb
[07:09] <imbrandon> umm ok
[07:09] <ajmitch> umm yes?
[07:09] <imbrandon> anyone else get http://www.mythtv.org/ to come up ?
[07:09] <imbrandon> all i get is a blank page
[07:09] <ajmitch> blank
[07:09] <imbrandon> shiznit
[07:10] <Fujitsu> Zero sized reply from my proxy.
[07:10] <ajmitch> you brokes it!
[07:10] <imbrandon> lol
[07:11] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, it doesn't like you. Go away, you've scared it.
[07:11] <TheMuso> hahaha
[07:11] <imbrandon> heh well all i wanted was a changelog
[07:11] <Fujitsu> Don't let that big nasty imbrandon hurt you!
[07:11] <imbrandon> :/
[07:11] <TheMuso> error reading from socket
[07:15] <TheMuso> Logos shmlogos.
[07:15] <joejaxx> imbrandon: i arn germinate it just downloads the seed listby dist/arch/etc
[07:16] <joejaxx> ran*
[07:16] <ajmitch> TheMuso: but.. but I've got a stylish X & a stylish Z on my emblems list now :)
[07:17] <TheMuso> big deal
[07:17] <ajmitch> it is!
[07:17] <imbrandon> ajmitch, but can you spell ajmitch with your logos
[07:17] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:18] <ajmitch> imbrandon: ooh, now that's a challenge
[07:18] <imbrandon> heh
[07:18] <TheMuso> If all he logos were braille letters he probably could.
[07:18] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:19] <TheMuso> hehe
[07:19] <ajmitch> I would never do that
[07:19] <imbrandon> i still say the MOTU one should be a HE-MAN sword
[07:19] <joejaxx> imbrandon: may i pm?
[07:20] <ajmitch> it used to be a he-man shield
[07:20] <joejaxx> ajmitch: lol
[07:20] <imbrandon> joejaxx, sure but i may not know the anser ;)
[07:20] <imbrandon> ajmitch, or a mini castle grayskull
[07:21] <ajmitch> ah, I think ubuntu-dev is meant to be the shielf
[07:21] <ajmitch> shielf
[07:21] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, I always wondered what it was.
[07:21] <Fujitsu> I want that MOTU fist :(
[07:21] <Fujitsu> It looks good.
[07:21] <ajmitch> so join the team\
[07:22] <Fujitsu> It's restricted.
[07:22] <ajmitch> then ask an admin
[07:22] <Fujitsu> Ping ajmitch.
[07:22] <Fujitsu> :P
[07:22] <ajmitch> instead of dropping hints
[07:23] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, Mr. Admin sir... Can you please add me to motu? :P
[07:23] <ajmitch> no
[07:23] <Fujitsu> Hahah.
[07:23] <Fujitsu> Very good.
[07:23] <imbrandon> wow everyone is an admin
[07:23] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, except the last two to be added.
[07:24] <nixternal> imbrandon: you watching #ubuntu-offtopic?
[07:24] <imbrandon> i wasent /me looks
[07:24] <nixternal> there is a odd nick in there with stupid question
[07:25] <Fujitsu> Hrm, that's meant to be on my autojoin list...
[07:31] <imbrandon> hum
[07:46] <siretart> morning
[07:46] <imbrandon> heya siretart
[07:46] <siretart> huhu imbrandon
[07:57] <Fujitsu> joejaxx, worked out seeds yet?
[07:59] <Fujitsu> Hm, or not.
[07:59] <Fujitsu> The emails just came through very late.
[08:00] <ajmitch> of course
[08:00] <ajmitch> imbrandon: heh, see -ops
[08:00] <ajmitch> as if he's going to get back in...
[08:00] <ajmitch> morning siretart :)
[08:01] <siretart> huhu ajmitch
[08:01] <siretart> ajmitch: the revu branch is/was broken? my fault?
[08:02] <ajmitch> siretart: I don't think it was your fault
[08:02] <ajmitch> more likely mine
[08:02] <Fujitsu> siretart, it's fixed now.
[08:02] <siretart> I read something in the backlog, but I didn't get the problem
[08:02] <siretart> ah, great
[08:02] <ajmitch> from the initial import
[08:02] <Fujitsu> And it looks a whole lot better than the REVU1 code :)
[08:02] <siretart> there were some files missing, indeed
[08:04] <Fujitsu> Am I to presume that development on REVU2 is going to start again at some point?
[08:04] <ajmitch> once people have time to hack on it
[08:05] <siretart> Fujitsu: both sistpoty and I are very busy with work and thesis for uni
[08:05] <Fujitsu> siretart, OK.
[08:05] <siretart> Fujitsu: if you can, just start hacking, we'll merge your changes
[08:06] <ajmitch> the spec is there, argued out at montreal last year :)
[08:06] <siretart> the design is already there. most classes have been started. now its up for implementing and testing them
[08:06] <Fujitsu> siretart, yeah, I've got a checkout here and have been looking at it.
[08:07] <siretart> sistpoty's websites about assigning merges was based on the revu2 branch
[08:07] <Fujitsu> I thought it looked similar.
[08:07] <ajmitch> siretart: I was going to revive that for unmet deps this weekend, sound sane?
[08:07] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, I like that idea :)
[08:08] <siretart> ajmitch: sure!
[08:09] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: i have no idea on how to build the iso from the files germinate creates
[08:09] <Fujitsu> joejaxx, neither do I, but I'm sure somebody does :)
[08:09] <joejaxx> oh ok
[08:10] <Fujitsu> Because we're post-beta, you should be able to ask whoever does it for {X,K}ubuntu.
[08:10] <Fujitsu> I've forgotten who that is.
[08:10] <joejaxx> oh ok
[08:10] <Fujitsu> Sorry, {X,K,}ubuntu.
[08:11] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, {,x,k,ed}ubuntu ;) hahahaha
[08:11] <Fujitsu> Oops, forgot Edubuntu, true.
[08:12] <imbrandon> gmorning robitaille ;)
[08:12] <robitaille> it's 11pm here...so good evening imbrandon
[08:12] <imbrandon> ahh ;)
[08:12] <ajmitch> evening robitaille
[08:12] <robitaille> Hi ajmitch
[08:16] <superm1> imbrandon, there?
[08:16] <imbrandon> superm1, yes ?
[08:17] <superm1> just wanted to check in and see if something went wrong with the myth related packages.  didn't see them pop into the edgy build queue
[08:17] <imbrandon> they are awating one more uvfe ack
[08:17] <imbrandon> siretart, did the first one but i need one more to upload
[08:17] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you managed to fast-talk siretart ?
[08:17] <imbrandon> hahaha ajmitch i started to and he had already done it
[08:17] <superm1> ah ok
[08:18] <superm1> lol
[08:18] <imbrandon> superm1, if you wanna keep an eye on it bug 62901
[08:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62901 in mythplugins "Universe UVFe for 0.20" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62901
[08:18] <imbrandon> but i would say in the next few hours i'll have a second ack
[08:19] <ajmitch> imbrandon: our friend is in #ubuntu, btw
[08:19] <imbrandon> wonderfull /me looks
[08:19] <ajmitch> if you want to keep an eye on things there :)
[08:19] <superm1> ah okay. just wanted to make sure everything was kosher with it and all
[08:19] <superm1> cool
[08:20] <Fujitsu> Which one, ajmitch?
[08:20] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: mentholz
[08:20] <ajmitch> our kiwi friend who's been trolling on & off for weeks
[08:20] <Fujitsu> Oh, same guy.
[08:20] <Fujitsu> OK.
[08:20] <ajmitch> yeah
[08:21] <Fujitsu> ... he left?
[08:21] <imbrandon> guess so
[08:21] <ajmitch> I'm sure he'll be back again sometime
[08:22] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, nah sabdfl reg'd it after than incodent
[08:22] <Fujitsu> Haha, nice.
[08:24] <ajmitch> not very helpful..
[08:25] <superm1> imbrandon, one more thing.  on http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/multiverse/m/mythtv/mythtv_0.20-0.0ubuntu2/changelog, I didn't see a mention of the fix for the gnomescreensaver patch or the i386 fix that I had on revu.  Did those both sneak in there?
[08:26] <imbrandon> not yet
[08:26] <imbrandon> well the screensaver did
[08:26] <imbrandon> but not the i386 thing /yet/
[08:26] <superm1> well the "fixed" screensaver made it in?
[08:27] <superm1> one of them did a --query and the other --version
[08:27] <Fujitsu> THis brings back memories of when I used to help in #ubuntu for several hours a day... :/
[08:28] <superm1> imbrandon, i'll make a bug with a debdiff for the screensaver and i386 thing then, k?
[08:28] <imbrandon> sure
[08:31] <imbrandon> superm1, infact since i'll have to make a UVFe bugreport if you just wanna email me the debdiff thats better
[08:31] <imbrandon> one less report to close
[08:32] <superm1> sure
[08:32] <superm1> i'll make a debdiff really quick then
[08:32] <imbrandon> just please make it against the latest source in multiverse so it applys clean ;)
[08:32] <superm1> k
[08:34] <shawarma> superm1: shit, you're still here?
[08:35] <shawarma> superm1: You don't sleep either?
[08:35] <superm1> haha
[08:35] <superm1> well i have a 5:25 am flight today
[08:35] <superm1> all nighter for tonite
[08:35] <superm1> :)
[08:35] <shawarma> Oh.. That explains.
[08:35] <shawarma> What's your $TZ ?
[08:35] <ajmitch> superm1: painful
[08:35] <superm1> GMT-5
[08:36] <superm1> (CDT)
[08:36] <superm1> but normally I shoot for at least a "few" hours of sleep :)
[08:36] <superm1> imbrandon<EMAIL_ADDRESS>right?
[08:36] <imbrandon> yup
[08:38] <superm1> there ya go, sent away
[08:38] <imbrandon> k thank
[08:38] <imbrandon> s
[08:38] <superm1> shawarma, what you still doing up btw, you dont sleep either?
[08:38] <superm1> yup np
[08:38] <shawarma> superm1: Oh, I slept already.
[08:39] <superm1> ah
[08:39] <shawarma> superm1: I'm in CET. Here it's customary to sleep during the night.
[08:39] <superm1> haha
[10:09] <dholbach> good morning
[10:11] <lionelp> hi dholbach
[10:11] <imbrandon> heya dholbach
[10:11] <Fujitsu> Hey dholbach.
[10:12] <dholbach> hey guys - how's it going?
[10:12] <ajmitch> good, how are you?
[10:12] <Fujitsu> OK, dholbach :)
[10:12] <Fujitsu> Less OMG-I-must-get-this-package-REVUed-now since the freeze :)
[10:13] <imbrandon> heh no doubt, bug mode now
[10:13] <dholbach> ajmitch: slowly getting ready for the day - even running this morning didn't help much ;)
[10:13] <ajmitch> hehe
[10:16] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:17] <smurf> Does kino crash on startup for anybody (other than me)?
[10:21] <ogra> smurf, works here (edgy)
[10:22] <smurf> ogra: well, I have edgy too, and it doesn't. Investigating.
[10:27] <rideout> python working fine for everybody? it can't import modules like gtk on my system
[10:27] <rideout> they are there, but no luck
[10:27] <pygi> morning all
[10:28] <smurf> rideout: Works here. Can you pastebin what the problem is?
[10:30] <rideout> smurf: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25145/
[10:30] <rideout> i'm not sure what else to show you
[10:30] <rideout> that is repeatable with kde-guidence programs, galterntives and other python programs
[10:31] <rideout> I've tried removing and reinstall and messing around with update-python-modules
[10:34] <smurf> rideout: I don't know what might be broken on your system, works here; I'd ask doko for help
[10:35] <rideout> doko: any thoughts?
[10:40] <imbrandon> ajmitch, are our compiz packages based on those in unsable at all , and have you seen the new beryl ( compiz fork )
[10:44] <rideout> imbrandon: i am running beryl on edgy as week speek and it is amazing
[10:45] <rideout> s/week/we/
[10:45] <imbrandon> rideout, got a url for it ? i'm off to sleep
[10:46] <imbrandon> ajmitch, just fyi if you dident see it , new compiz in unstable if you care to look at them http://gravityboy.livejournal.com/30382.html
[10:46] <rideout> imbrandon: svn co svn://metascape.afraid.org/svnroot/beryl
[10:47] <imbrandon> wow no realeases / website ?
[10:47] <rideout> not yet
[10:47] <realist> imbrandon: beryl == quinns?
[10:47] <rideout> but in the next week or so, yeah it equals quinns
[10:47] <ajmitch> imbrandon: yes I've seen it, and yes I saw gravity talking about compiz in #d-d
[10:47] <imbrandon> hum ok, i'll wait at poking at it then ( beryl )
[10:47] <rideout> they have debian directories in the svn the build fine
[10:47] <ajmitch> no, our packages predate by a long way those in unstable
[10:47] <imbrandon> ajmitch, okies cool i know you put some work into ours , just makin sure
[10:48] <ajmitch> 'build fine' & being release-quality don't always match
[10:48] <imbrandon> heh i was just thinking that but wasent gonna say it
[10:48] <rideout> rideout: true, but they are fully testable, is what i meant
[10:48] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: that was very good :)
[10:49] <ajmitch> not nearly as blunt as I can be
[10:49] <imbrandon> hehehe
[10:49] <rideout> and designed for edgy and sid, dependacy wise in the debian/control and debian/rules type stuff we wont' have to do much tinkering
[10:49] <imbrandon> ok welp i'm off to never never land, btw hiya Hobbsee dident see ya sneek in
[10:49] <Hobbsee> heya
[10:50] <ajmitch> bye imbrandon
[11:00] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: and this is why we have MOTU's :P
[11:01] <Hobbsee> and this is why unofficial repos are very bad :P
[11:03] <phanatic> good morning
[11:03] <ajmitch> hi phanatic
[11:03] <phanatic> hi ajmitch
[11:09] <Q-FUNK> anybody here who is a DD?  I could use a sponsor to upload yet another cups-pdf fix... which then needs to be synced to Ubuntu.
[11:10] <ajmitch> let me update my sid chroot & I'll take a look
[11:19] <lfittl> morning
[11:23] <realist> ajmitch: is this the best place to find sponsors?
[11:23] <ajmitch> realist: for where?
[11:24] <realist> ubuntu packages, in general
[11:24] <tseng> !revu
[11:24] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[11:25] <tseng> this is the process for sponsorship
[11:26] <ajmitch> hi tseng
[11:26] <tseng> hi
[11:26] <tseng> 5:26am
[11:27] <ajmitch> a bit too early for me
[11:27] <tseng> me too.
[11:31] <realist> tseng: thanks
[11:31] <tseng> np
[12:00] <mikhail^> who uses/maintains the boost libs for Ubuntu?
[12:01] <azeem> Ubuntu is group-maintained in principle
[12:01] <azeem> mikhail^: you can check the Debian/Ubuntu changelog to see who touched it in Ubuntu, though
[12:01] <mikhail^> has anybody here used boostbook successfully with the packaged boost-build system ?
[12:02] <mikhail^> hmmm... looks like boost-build is already in dapper...
[12:03] <mikhail^> I might be asking in the wrong room...
[01:03] <Q-FUNK> btw, any pygtk guru here? ;)
[01:04] <Q-FUNK> http://bugs.debian.org/374997
[01:04] <Q-FUNK> it's probably simple to fix, but I have no idea how.
[01:05] <Q-FUNK> if we can fix this, it would be yet another peice of ubuntu-originated code contributed to debian.
[02:31] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:31] <pygi> hey bddebian
[04:32] <AnAnt> bddebian: hide
[04:38] <AnAnt> anyone here ?
[04:39] <bddebian> AnAnt: Sorry, what's up?
[04:40] <AnAnt> bddebian: nah, just thanks, acon & freedict are on the repos now
[04:40] <AnAnt> oh yes
[04:40] <AnAnt> anyone heard of gaim-pt (paltalk addon for gaim) ?
[04:41] <bddebian> AnAnt: Great.  No, haven't heard of it, sorry
[04:42] <AnAnt> bddebian: I was wondering is it possible to add a binary package to Ubuntu if the source code isn't available
[04:42] <Hobbsee> in multiverse
[04:43] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: ok, the problem is that I got NO copyright info about it !
[04:43] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: except NAMES of author
[04:43] <AnAnt> s
[04:43] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:43] <Hobbsee> emailed them about it?
[04:45] <AnAnt> no
[04:45] <AnAnt> there wasn't an email
[04:45] <AnAnt> but I JUST found an email now
[04:57] <Hawkwind> The source code to gaim-pt isn't available ?
[04:57] <Hawkwind> Surely it is, most other distros package it and include it in their distros
[04:58] <AnAnt> Hawkwind: yup, I sent an email to who I think is the author
[04:58] <AnAnt> Hawkwind: are you sure ?
[04:58] <AnAnt> Hawkwind: in what distro did u find it ?
[04:58] <Hawkwind> AnAnt: I'm positive.  I've built several versions of it in rpm format for Mandriva for my 3rd party repo
[05:00] <AnAnt> Hawkwind: well, can you get that source code ?
[05:00] <Hawkwind> AnAnt: It would be in a .src.rpm format
[05:01] <AnAnt> Hawkwind: well, that can be unpacked , right ?
[05:03] <Hawkwind> Yep.  I don't have the .src.rpm anymore unfortunately as I've just recently deleted all my old Mandriva repos from my home server :(
[05:03] <AnAnt> Hawkwind: is it on internet ?
[05:04] <Hawkwind> You'd have to search rpm.pbone.net as they mirror all of my rpms
[05:04] <Hawkwind> It might not have been released to the public due to an issue though now that I think about it.  Though I know I've built it
[05:05] <segfault> :-)
[05:05] <Hobbsee> hey segfault
[05:06] <segfault> Hobbsee: sup?
[05:06] <Hobbsee> segfault: i think i've finally figured out my assignment :).  How did you intend to sponsor uploads, if you werent part of MOTU?
[05:07] <segfault> Hobbsee: sorry, my bad!
[05:07] <AnAnt> Hawkwind: do you remember its license ?
[05:07] <Hobbsee> segfault: not a problem.  i found it amusing that we had three such people :)
[05:07] <segfault> i just started looking for a mentor now
[05:07] <Hobbsee> segfault: ahhh :)
[05:08] <segfault> hope to back there soon :-)
[05:08] <Hobbsee> yeah :)
[05:08] <Hobbsee> we had three such people who were saying "yes, i can sponsor people's uploads" without actually having the power to do so.
[05:09] <segfault> hehe, indeed
[05:09] <segfault> at least no one contacted me :P
[05:09] <segfault> brb.
[05:10] <lastnode> Hobbsee, got a moment?
[05:10] <Hobbsee> lastnode: yeah, what for?
[05:11] <AnAnt> Hawkwind: was the package called gaim-pt ?
[05:11] <AnAnt> Hawkwind: not found
[05:12] <Hobbsee> lastnode: the quicker the better, if you've just seen -devel
[05:12] <lastnode> Hobbsee, we're trying to build a http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Upstream .deb for REVU. We have two fronteds, one for Gnome and one for KDE, as well as a -base installation with all the python classes etc. We need to create a setup file and just wondering where to extract the files to? Obv the frontends go in bin, but the rest? Or is this not the place to ask? Sorry if I'm offtopic for the channel.
[05:12] <lastnode> Hobbsee, shoot! forget it, forget it.
[05:12] <lastnode> :o
[05:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:13] <lastnode> Really sorry, I had already finished typing when I saw.
[05:13] <Hobbsee> oh that's fine :)
[05:13] <Hobbsee> uh...i currently dont remember
[05:13] <Hawkwind> AnAnt: Yeah it was gaim-pt and it used to be available for download freely but now it seems it's not anymore
[05:13] <Hobbsee> i have ideas, but....
[05:14] <lastnode> Hobbsee, I used to get blackouts quite a bit when I rowed.  It's mostly about blood circulation to the brain, I think.
[05:14] <lastnode> Hobbsee, ideas are fine, ill play around.
[05:14] <Hobbsee> i'd try running locate kate or equivalent
[05:14] <Hobbsee> or check p.u.c to see where they install to.
[05:14] <lastnode> Hobbsee, right, gotcha.
[05:14] <lastnode> Hobbsee, the thing is, this is python. Is kate a py app?
[05:15] <Hobbsee> good point.  no
[05:15] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure sorry
[05:16] <lastnode> Hobbsee, np, ill hang around here for a while and see if python comes up
[05:16] <xopher> If I get this error: dpkg-gencontrol: error: must specify package since control info has many - what should I edit?
[05:16] <AnAnt> Hawkwind: may I ask you something ? since u used to package it before, why didn't you package it for Ubuntu ?
[05:17] <Hawkwind> AnAnt: I wasn't running Ubuntu back then.  I've only been using Ubuntu for just over 2+ months now
[05:17] <Hobbsee> lastnode: or ask other MOTUish type people
[05:17] <AnAnt> Hawkwind: ic
[05:17] <lastnode> Hobbsee, i will. thanks :-)
[05:43] <matid> ./configure: line 23116: syntax error near unexpected token `0.35.0'
[05:43] <matid> ./configure: line 23116: `IT_PROG_INTLTOOL(0.35.0)'
[05:43] <matid> Does anyone know this error?
[05:44] <xopher> matid, got intltool installed?
[05:44] <jdong> argh, universe froze, didn't it
[05:44] <pygi> jdong: yup
[05:45] <jdong> pygi: grr, that means I actually have to find a good reason for wanting new WINE then
[05:45] <matid> xopher: Just a moment ago I added it to the control file. We'll see if it works
[05:45] <lastnode> hi, im wondering if anyone knows the recommended location to unpack python classes to? obv bins go in one /usr/local/bin, but where do classes and other function modules go?
[05:45] <pygi> jdong: does it fix a lot of bugs or at least one critical?:)
[05:45] <jdong> pygi: trying to figure that out right now... so far I've got that it's shiny and new :D
[05:46] <pygi> jdong: yay, but that won't help much I take it :)
[05:46] <jdong> pygi: http://www.winehq.com/?announce=latest
[05:46] <jdong> pygi: it does sound important... :)
[05:46] <pygi> sec
[05:46] <pygi> jdong: yay, lots of bug fixes :)
[05:46] <jdong> hehe
[05:47] <pygi> jdong: that should be enough =)
[05:47] <jdong> it works fine with our existing diff.gz, it appears
[05:48] <pygi> that's even better
[05:48] <jdong> yeah, no doubt :)
[05:48] <jdong> pygi: woud I really have to file the full UVF for wine? it'd probably be huge and overly comprehensive...
[05:51] <pygi> jdong: explanation of full UVF then I'll answer :P
[05:52] <Toadstool> g'morning everybody
[05:52] <matid> Toadstool: Morning
[05:52] <Toadstool> hey matid
[05:52] <pygi> jdong: you just need changelog mostly I take it
[05:53] <pygi> and that url you gave me should suffice
[05:57] <jdong> pygi: the last time I uvf'ed a package it was in main, and I was digging out diffs between svn revisions... it took me nearly half an hour to put it together
[05:58] <jdong> pygi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/UVF
[05:59] <jdong> pygi: arg, and I started my build without a logfile... would my word that it builds in a pbuilder suffice? :D
[05:59] <pygi> jdong: lol :)
[05:59] <jdong> heh
[05:59] <pygi> jdong: build it again with a log file ;)
[06:01] <pygi> jdong: sorry, gotta run now
[06:01] <jdong> k
[06:02] <pygi> jdong: good luck with getting uvf ;)
[06:02] <jdong> thanks
[06:02] <jdong> nope, thought just passed
[06:02] <jdong> :D
[06:04] <Toadstool> jdong: it would not help for uvf exceptions anyway :p
[06:04] <jdong> Toadstool: hehe, I know
[06:05] <Toadstool> got to work now...
[06:06] <Spec> heh
[06:11] <jdong> alright, which daring soul here wants to try to compile Azureus? :)
[06:12] <jdong> anyone? anyone?
[06:12] <jdong> bddebian: take it back... please.... I'm begging you.... :D
[06:15] <kallewoof> jdong: Will it screw up my current version? :)
[06:15] <jdong> kallewoof: it's not supposed to?
[06:15] <jdong> hehe
[06:15] <jdong> kallewoof: my goal is to compile azureus a la fedora extras, from source via a purely GCJ toolchain
[06:15] <kallewoof> Reassuring. :)
[06:15] <bddebian> jdong: Has eclipse 3.2 hit yet?
[06:16] <jdong> bddebian: nope :-/
[06:16] <jdong> that's the missing link in the chain
[06:16] <kallewoof> *nods* I'm willing. I'll back my config files up and such.
[06:16] <kallewoof> Which version is it, btw?
[06:16] <jdong> kallewoof: I'm aiming for <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:16] <kallewoof> Nice :)
[06:16] <Lathiat> i started look at az and what 2.5 but there seems to be various changes to make it work on free java that seem quite extensive
[06:17] <Bazzi> yeah eclipse 3.2 is sooooo needed :(
[06:17] <kallewoof> Speaking of Java, actually, I'm working on trying to get a deb package set up that is based on Java. I've gotten pretty far, but pbuilder whines about sun-java5-jdk not being available. I presume sun-java5-jdk is in multiverse? Any ideas how to fix that?
[06:18] <Bazzi> kallewoof: you can tell pbuilder to look at multiverse when setting it up
[06:18] <kallewoof> Bazzi: Oh! I was hoping I could. Is it RTFM time or is there a simple answer? :)
[06:19] <Bazzi> I don't know the answer by heart, sorry, but it was in the ubuntu packaging guide afaik
[06:19] <kallewoof> Hm. I've read that (I thought). I'll look around. Thanks for the hint!
[06:19] <jdong> kallewoof: sudo pbuilder login --save-after-login
[06:19] <jdong> kallewoof: edit your sources.list, apt-get update
[06:19] <kallewoof> jdong: I'm 100% new to this all, btw, so I have no idea how to compile your azureus. Oh, thanks! :D
[06:20] <jdong> kallewoof: then exit your pbuilder before anyone notices ;-)
[06:20] <Bazzi> sudo pbuilder create --distribution <distro> \
[06:20] <Bazzi> 	--othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu <distro> universe multiverse"
[06:20] <Bazzi> there :) got it
[06:20] <kallewoof> *cheers*
[06:20] <jdong> Bazzi: pffft... my reckless way is so much simpler :D
[06:22] <jdong> it looks like we just need SWT 3.2 / eclipse 3.2..... I'm gonna pretend that we do and see what else doesn't work
[06:35] <jdong> what's our policy on using gcj-4.2?
[06:35] <jdong> nvm
[06:43] <bddebian> jdong: You're an animal :-)
[06:43] <jdong> bddebian: when in doubt, newer java?
[06:44] <jdong> bddebian: hey, when taking stuff from rawhide, you gotta build it like rawhide :D
[06:44] <bddebian> or re-write in python ;-P
[06:44] <jdong> AND WHY THE HELL ARE FEDORA PATCHES FAILING
[06:45] <jdong> grr, wrong order
[06:50] <zul> because fedora is evil
[06:55] <Bazzi> jdong: I expect a working SWT/Eclipse 3.2 + Azureus 2.5 in edgy, then :P
[06:56] <jdong> wow, javac is bombing out with heap overflows :)
[07:14] <rraphink> #49959
[07:14] <rraphink> bug #49959
[07:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49959 in sword "No packages for bindings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/49959
[07:15] <rraphink> bug 58059
[07:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58059 in ichthux "References to Kubuntu in Ubiquity still" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58059
[09:51] <lfittl> hmm forgot that, do I need an UVF exception for new debian revisions as well?
[09:51] <ajmitch> no
[09:52] <lfittl> good, so filing a sync request is ok if it's no new upstream version? :)
[09:52] <ajmitch> should be fine
[09:52] <lfittl> thanks
[09:53] <givre> Since, the old version is no more in NEW, is there somebody gently enough to push this one  : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3299 ? (if it is possible) Thanks
[09:55] <joejaxx> hello all :)
[09:55] <joejaxx> if there was the creation of a special gnome menu for a ubuntu derivative
[09:56] <joejaxx> whould it fall under *-desktop or *-default-settings
[10:04] <imbrandon> ajmitch, is the universe freeze just a uvf freeze ? or all upload freeze
[10:04] <ajmitch> uvf freeze
[10:04] <imbrandon> ok good
[10:04] <ajmitch> we still have the freedom to make bug fixes, of course
[10:04] <ajmitch> which is new ubuntu & debian revisions
[10:04] <imbrandon> right right, ok thats what i was wondering
[10:04] <imbrandon> yea -XubuntuN , new N revisions ok
[10:05] <imbrandon> well i guess tech X or N
[10:06] <LaserJock> no NEW packages and no new upstream upstream releases
[10:14] <Kyral> ..could someone with Ops in #ubuntu unban me? GnomeFreak banned me like 2 days ago for offtopic and he forgot to nuke the ban
[10:14] <ajmitch> heh
[10:14] <ajmitch> ask in #ubuntu-ops, not here
[10:14] <imbrandon> Kyral, i got it , one sec
[10:14] <Kyral> Yanno I would if I knew beforehand that the channel existed :P
[10:15] <Kyral> (Only reason I got in this time is because I somehow ghosted and got in on the reconnect..didn't hit me that I was still banned until I just now tried to answer someone's question and got the 404)
[10:17] <imbrandon> give me a sec the ban list is long
[10:17] <Kyral> np
[10:17] <imbrandon> looking for your host
[10:17] <Kyral> it should be my cloak
[10:17] <Kyral> ..*wants to warn someone about the ext2 driver for Windows..*
[10:18] <imbrandon> try now
[10:18] <Kyral> I did :P
[10:19] <imbrandon> what about the ext2 driver , i have used it many times in the past
[10:19] <imbrandon> ( for windows )
[10:20] <Kyral> My friend tried it and he was digging stuff out of lost+found for a week :P
[10:20] <imbrandon> lol
[10:20] <imbrandon> ohh jpatrick was on ?
[10:20] <imbrandon> wow i missed him
[10:20] <Kyral> Actually I heard the new FUSE based implementation of Captive NTFS is really stable
[10:21] <imbrandon> dunno i dont have ntfs partitions anymore, but when i did i used the ext2 driver for windows without issues ( as long as you dont enable ext3 support )
[10:22] <Kyral> yah didja catch that the guy was saying enable ext3? :P
[10:22] <imbrandon> i take that back i still have one ntfs partition on the amd64 box with vista on it, but i only booted it one or two times to check it out
[10:22] <Kyral> frankly I just use FAT32 that I plan to share between XP and *Nix *unless its over the Net*
[10:24] <Kyral> but yah...FUSE is awesome
[10:25] <seaLne> imbrandon: got a minute? http://pastebin.ca/186340
[10:28] <imbrandon> seaLne, sure, what would you like me to do about it
[10:28] <seaLne> is the license just the bit about this was packaged by me etc?
[10:29] <imbrandon> yea you packaged a source under GPL that wasent actualy gpl it looks like
[10:29] <seaLne> and i'm a bit unsure about the lack of shared library comment
[10:29] <imbrandon> and kamoin just wants you to clear it up
[10:30] <seaLne> so packaging can't be gpl even tho i specified the license for the source code ok afaik?
[10:30] <imbrandon> do you install all the files like .so .l and .la ?
[10:31] <imbrandon> no the license in the packing needs to reflect that of the source, not the /packaing//
[10:31] <seaLne> there didn't seem to be any just a .a
[10:31] <seaLne> imbrandon: can you explain that again? sorry i still don't fully understand
[10:32] <imbrandon> seaLne, well if upstream dosnet build a .so then thats the answer to the question as far as the lib, and for the lic issue ....
[10:32] <seaLne> is it this part he is refering to in copyright:
[10:32] <seaLne> The Debian packaging is (C) 2006, Kenny Duffus<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and
[10:32] <seaLne> is licensed under the GPL version 2 or (at your option) any later version,
[10:32] <seaLne> see /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL.
[10:33] <imbrandon> if the source is lic openssl then the debian/copyright file needs to say this, the debian/copyright file dosent pretain to the PACKAGEING, it pertains to the source
[10:33] <seaLne> debian/copyright states the code is BSD
[10:34] <imbrandon> hold on lemme grab it and see if i can see what he is talking about
[10:34] <seaLne> i mention ssl advertising thingy
[10:34] <seaLne> thanks
[10:35] <ryanakca> who's can un-archive something on REVU?
[10:35] <imbrandon> oh he is saying the openssl and gpl arent compatable
[10:35] <seaLne> it is automatically unarchived with a new upload
[10:35] <imbrandon> ryanakca, you can, just upload again
[10:36] <imbrandon> #
[10:36] <imbrandon> You've licensed the Debian packaging of libewf under the GPL, but that's
[10:36] <imbrandon> #
[10:36] <imbrandon> incompatible with the OpenSSL licence
[10:36] <ryanakca> *cough* that's kindof part of the problem... I don't have the sources with me... and the guy who archived it didn't bother reading the copyright file... he said it couldn't be redistributed, and I have the original sources with me, stating that it CAN be redistributed
[10:37] <imbrandon> ^^ that pretty much sums it up
[10:38] <seaLne> isn't the ssl/gpl thing debateable?
[10:38] <seaLne> and dosen't the packagin refer just to debian/ ?
[10:38] <imbrandon> seaLne, i dont think so but i'm not a license expert, colin is kamoin in #ubuntu-devel you might just ask him
[10:39] <imbrandon> yea but it cant be if the source isnt compatable with gpl
[10:39] <imbrandon> as they are combined works
[10:39] <seaLne> ok
[10:39] <seaLne> thanks
[10:39] <seaLne> now if only i could install from beta i'd have a machine to use rather than a live cd
[10:39] <imbrandon> heh
[10:42] <seaLne> i feel dirty thinking about licensing something non gpl :)
[10:44] <seaLne> i can just change it to default BSD license?
[10:44] <imbrandon> seaLne, to be very honest i dont know, i'm not that much of an expert on them
[10:45] <imbrandon> someone else in here is welcome to chime in if they know lol
[10:46] <seaLne> that is what the rest of the code is licenced under and sounds what kamion is suggesting
[10:50] <seaLne> does rejecting mean code has to go through new again?
[10:51] <slomo> no it means that it won't get in at all
[10:51] <seaLne> i mean when it is fixed and reuploaded
[10:52] <slomo> when the package wasn't in the archive before yes
[10:52] <seaLne> k
[10:53] <seaLne> should version stay at 0ubuntu1 and should the changelog mention the fix?
[10:54] <slomo> probably
[10:55] <slomo> how will you fix it btw? :)
[10:55] <seaLne> change the bit at the bottom of copyright that says i license the packaging under BSD rather than GPL
[10:55] <slomo> what's the license of the software itself?
[10:56] <seaLne> BSD
[10:56] <slomo> well, i never ever mentioned the license for the packaging in debian/copyright for my packages :)
[10:56] <seaLne> bah
[10:57] <imbrandon> is the openssl a bsd license ? and also about the advertising clause he mentions
[10:57] <imbrandon> anyhow bbiab
[10:57] <seaLne> check my debian/copyright
[10:58] <imbrandon> heh i cant if its not in the archive bro
[10:58] <seaLne> its on revu
[10:58] <imbrandon> brb i'ma grab some food
[10:59] <seaLne> slomo: so you would suggest removing the packaging copyright?
[10:59] <imbrandon> must be archived, i dont see it on REVU
[11:00] <seaLne> http://pastebin.ca/186370
[11:01] <seaLne> imbrandon: ^
[11:03] <seaLne> a .a is a library file isn't it?
[11:03] <imbrandon> a static one , he asked about the shared one .so
[11:04] <seaLne> yep
[11:04] <seaLne> just confirming what i thought
[11:05] <imbrandon> looks like that will work but tbh i dont see the need in licenseing the packaging
[11:05] <seaLne> new maintainer recomends it
[11:07] <seaLne> should UVFE be filed before or after getting uploaded to NEW?
[11:08] <imbrandon> before
[11:09] <seaLne> ok, i'll talk to kamion tommorow to confirm my changes are what he ment
[11:12] <seaLne> what do you file a UVFE against for something that isn't in the archive?
[11:12] <slomo> against nothing
[11:13] <seaLne> ah, just don't select a package?
[11:13] <slomo> yep :)
[11:13] <seaLne> :)
[11:39] <Adri2000> hi all
[11:41] <Adri2000> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/giplet/+builds?build_state=all
[11:41] <Adri2000> powerpc build failed
[11:41] <Adri2000> because of a dependency problem
[11:43] <Adri2000> what should I do ? wait until the problem is fixed and then how to re-run the build ?
[11:45] <geser> check if the problem is fixed
[11:45] <imbrandon> once the problem is fixed then ask an archive admin for a give-back
[11:46] <geser> slomo just reported that a problem with gtk on ppc is fixed
[11:46] <geser> check if this also fixes your problem
[11:46] <slomo> Adri2000: wait ;)
[11:47] <Adri2000> slomo: is there a bug reported about that ?
[11:49] <slomo> Adri2000: that's no bug, only bad timing
[11:49] <Adri2000> ok
[11:50] <xopher> Hi! Where should I look for info on cross-compiling (from an amd64 to i386) with pbuilder?
[11:51] <LaserJock> xopher: the pbuilder documentation ;-)
[11:52] <xopher> I couldnt find any reference to cross compiling in the man but Ill keep looking
[11:53] <Adri2000> slomo: you're sure it's fixed ?
[11:53] <imbrandon> xopher, look for "setting up a 32bit pbuilder chroot"
[11:53] <slomo> Adri2000: it's no bug... it will fix itself by waiting ;)
[11:54] <xopher> imbrandon, will do
[11:55] <jdong> slomo: if only all bugs worked that way... :D
[11:55] <Adri2000> slomo: I understand, the question is: is it fixed or not? have the missing packages been uploaded?
[11:55] <LaserJock> darn it, this 64bit thing is a mess
[11:56] <slomo> Adri2000: there's nothing to be uploaded... it's only that the libgtk binaries for ppc are not in the archive yet
[11:56] <imbrandon> LaserJock, hu ?!?
[11:56] <LaserJock> imbrandon: ubuntu-devel and kilz
[11:56] <imbrandon> LaserJock, ahh yea i've been reading that
[11:56] <imbrandon> LaserJock, he is just bull headed and wont listen
[11:56] <Adri2000> slomo: yes, that was the question, the missing packages are not yet uploaded / are not yet in the archive :)
[11:56] <LaserJock> imbrandon: as are most people
[11:57] <LaserJock> imbrandon: except he is decently popular on the forums
[11:57] <Adri2000> s/missing packages/libgtk binaries/
[11:57] <slomo> Adri2000: should be with the next publisher run, i.e.... now :)
[11:57] <Adri2000> ok
[11:57] <LaserJock> imbrandon: and regardless of whether you like the forums or not, a lot of misinformation can get spread quickly
[11:58] <imbrandon> LaserJock, and their in lies the real problem, a _loud minority_ screaming about things they dont know aobut instead of helping the situation
[11:58] <imbrandon> well that actualy is ironic becouse thats /why/ i dont like them
[11:58] <LaserJock> sure
[11:58] <imbrandon> i mean the idea of a forum and the tech of it i have no problem with, its the policing of it
[11:59] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:59] <LaserJock> maybe I'm all wrong
[11:59] <imbrandon> allowing things/people like that to happen
[11:59] <LaserJock> but I thought the responses were kind of off track though
[11:59] <imbrandon> not for a development list, i thought they were 100% right
[12:00] <imbrandon> myself
[12:01] <imbrandon> basicly it boils down to he wants us ( developers ) to provide 32bit applications and create the infrastructure without helping it along any AND bitching about 64bit propitary software not working so the "platform is crippled"
[12:02] <imbrandon> i use a 64bit system every day , sure it sucks without flash , but i either stepup and help gnash or stop whinging , that dosent make my system unuseable
[12:03] <imbrandon> ( and very likely flash9 will have 64bit support ) if nothing else becouse windows vista is 64bit
[12:03] <LaserJock> well, I thought they gave off a little too much "we don't care" vibe
[12:03] <LaserJock> they *do* care
[12:04] <imbrandon> as they rightfully should on a devlopemt list where he isnt helping the devlopment of it along
[12:04] <imbrandon> that same thing should happen on the forums too where developemt is concerned
[12:04] <imbrandon> thats my problem with the forums
[12:04] <LaserJock> well, it's not just a development list though, it's often the public face of the devs
[12:05] <imbrandon> well thats the problem, its really not
[12:05] <imbrandon> people mistakenly take it for that and should be corrected
[12:05] <LaserJock> it doesn't really matter what it's supposed to be
[12:05] <imbrandon> sure it does
[12:05] <LaserJock> not if it isn't
[12:05] <LaserJock> that's what I've been saying all week
[12:06] <LaserJock> anyway
[12:06] <LaserJock> I can't believe some of what kilz said
[12:06] <imbrandon> heh let me quote something real fast that sums up my whole standing on the thread
[12:06] <LaserJock> but I do worry about what outside people think of devs because of it
[12:06] <imbrandon> Not cutting the users from the developpers, but indeed cutting the
[12:06] <imbrandon> users list from the developpers list.
[12:07] <imbrandon> The problem you are complaining about is a user problem, really:
[12:07] <imbrandon> plugins do not work on your platform. Same as 'my wireless card is not
[12:07] <TheMuso> I always find myself starting to read these big threads, but stop after a while, since there are so many posts from people, and some people don't cut off emails from the original person when they reply etc. :)
[12:07] <imbrandon> recognised'. Either you do something wrong, or the system does. First
[12:07] <imbrandon> case: ask the users list. Second case: file a bug.
[12:07] <imbrandon> Now, if you want to help improve Ubuntu (solve the bug), you are more
[12:07] <imbrandon> than welcome to! That part indeed might mean writing a specification,
[12:07] <imbrandon> and implementing it...
[12:07] <crimsun> .oO( What, more forum drama? And I missed it? )
[12:07] <LaserJock> yes, I thought that was the only email needed
[12:08] <TheMuso> crimsun: I think they are referring to ubuntu-devel list
[12:08] <LaserJock> but so far there hasn't been a followup to his reply to that thread
[12:08] <LaserJock> s/thread/email/
[12:08] <TheMuso> But could be wrong.
[12:08] <LaserJock> yes, the "Devs don't care about 64-bit users" thread :/
[12:09] <imbrandon> crimsun, not really a forum user complaining about no 64bit plugins on the -devel list