[14:48] <gnuoy> jamespage, your thoughts on https://code.launchpad.net/~gnuoy/charms/trusty/nova-cloud-controller/disable-services-until-db-ready/+merge/230495 would be greatly appreciated if/when you have a moment
[20:43] <jrwren> What is the right way to use charmhelpers.core.hookenv.relation_get ?  I do not like that it is outputting errors.
[20:43] <marcoceppi> jrwren: what errors are you getting?
[20:44] <jrwren> no relation id specified
[20:45] <marcoceppi> jrwren: is this being called out of band of a relation call?
[20:45] <marcoceppi> of a relation hook*
[20:45] <marcoceppi> alternatively, just supply the current JUJU_RELATION_ID
[20:45] <marcoceppi> from os.environ
[20:47] <marcoceppi> jrwren: give me a min to open the code, the docs are light on this one
[20:47] <jrwren> yes, out of band. I should look it up.
[20:47] <marcoceppi> jrwren: docs are here, FYI: http://pythonhosted.org//charmhelpers/api/charmhelpers.core.html#charmhelpers.core.hookenv.relation_get
[20:47] <marcoceppi> jrwren: in that case you need to provide the JUJU_RELATION_ID and the unit you wish to query this information
[20:47] <marcoceppi> during a relation hook, both JUJU_RELATION_ID and JUJU_REMOTE_UNIT are environment variables set in the hook environment
[20:49] <marcoceppi> jrwren: hum, the docs are out of date with the function signature
[20:49] <marcoceppi> you pass unit and relation_id as parameters
[20:49] <marcoceppi> elation_get(attribute=None, unit=None, rid=None)
[20:49] <marcoceppi> relation_get(attribute=None, unit=None, rid=None)
[20:50] <marcoceppi> tvansteenburgh: can we get the docs re-generated?
[20:50] <jrwren> marcoceppi: where are the format of rid and unit documented?
[20:51] <marcoceppi> jrwren: the format are the values of JUJU_RELATION_ID and JUJU_REMOTE_UNIT respectively
[20:51] <marcoceppi> remote unit being in the format of "service/#"
[20:51] <marcoceppi> relation id is typically "text:#"
[20:51] <marcoceppi> you can query them using relation_id
[20:51] <marcoceppi> you can query them using relation_ids*
[20:52] <jrwren> I didn't have much like with any of that when I was debugging the hooks. I'll try again.
[20:52] <marcoceppi> jrwren: they're only set during the execution of a relation hook
[20:52] <marcoceppi> so you'll want to cache them somewhere
[20:52] <marcoceppi> so you can use them later
[20:53] <jrwren> marcoceppi: huh, ok. so... no point in aiming for stateless hooks?
[20:53] <marcoceppi> alternatively, you can list all the relations_ids, find the relation_id you want, then get all the units
[20:53] <marcoceppi> jrwren: you can do that
[20:53] <marcoceppi> jrwren: IIRC, relation-id is comprised of <relation-name>:<an-arbitrary-number>
[20:54] <marcoceppi> so you can infer what relation_id you need by checking the start of the string of the list of items core.hookenv.relation_ids() provides
[20:54] <jrwren> marcoceppi: This sounds good.
[20:54] <marcoceppi> then there's core.hookenv.related_units(rid) which will give you a list of all the units in that relation id
[20:55] <jrwren> marcoceppi: isn't that a different format of rid?
[20:55] <marcoceppi> using those two pieces of information, jrwren, you should be able to loop through and call relation_get(rid=relation_id, unit=u)
[20:55] <marcoceppi> rid and relation_id are interchangable in this context
[20:56] <jrwren> marcoceppi: the call to related_units() still takes a relation:# format? will it work even if # doesn't exist?
[20:56]  * marcoceppi will bug Tim VanSteenburger to update the docs on pythonhosted.org
[20:56] <marcoceppi> jrwren: probably not, that depends on how flexible juju is
[20:57] <marcoceppi> since it's just a passthrough to `relation-units -r <relation_id>`
[20:57] <jrwren> marcoceppi: Then list and startswith it shall be.
[20:57] <marcoceppi> worth a try, but I'm guessing no
[20:57] <jrwren> marcoceppi: understood. The source is easy enough to read, its just what <relation_id> is there, which is unknown.
[20:57] <marcoceppi> right, that's something juju makes up
[20:57] <marcoceppi> typically out of thin air ;) but should follow relation:<id>
[20:58] <marcoceppi> the idea being, if you break and recreate
[20:58] <marcoceppi> you'll get a new unique relation id
[20:58] <marcoceppi> which may or may not be incremental from the last
[21:00] <jrwren> It would be very nice if all this was documented on links from https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/authors-charm-writing.html too.
[21:03] <marcoceppi> jrwren: it's on the roadmap
[21:03] <marcoceppi> both charmhelpers and better author docs
[21:04] <jrwren> marcoceppi: Thank you for your help.
[21:04] <marcoceppi> jrwren: np, feel free to ping if you have any others
[21:05] <marcoceppi> fwiw, a lot of the openstack charms have atomic-like functions that do relation calls, so there's use of this pattern in charms already
[21:25] <jrwren> marcoceppi: I cannot call relation-ids or relation-list without a relation name
[21:25] <jrwren> marcoceppi: I'm pretty sure that hookenv.relation_ids() will always fail.
[21:26] <jrwren> marcoceppi: As will hookenv.related_units()
[21:26] <marcoceppi> related_units needs a relation_id
[21:27] <marcoceppi> jrwren: it looks like relation-ids takes a relation now
[21:27] <marcoceppi> which is cool
[21:27] <marcoceppi> jrwren: so you can say, "db" or whatever the relation name is
[21:27] <marcoceppi> and get the ID that way
[21:27] <marcoceppi> isntead of having to iterate through a list
[21:27] <marcoceppi> you'll either get a value or None iirc
[21:27] <jrwren> that is good.
[21:27] <marcoceppi> rather, a list of relation ids
[21:27] <marcoceppi> for that relation
[21:28] <marcoceppi> in case there's more than one
[21:28] <marcoceppi> IE, MySQL -> WordPress, MySQL -> MediaWiki
[21:28] <marcoceppi> query database on MySQL you'll get two relation ids
[21:28] <marcoceppi> loop through the ids to get the units, etc, etc
[21:28] <jrwren> marcoceppi: indeed. I must have misunderstood what you wrote before.
[22:23] <oskars> hey all, has anyone set up multiple l3 agents with the quantum-gateay charm?
[22:24] <oskars> I feel like i'm frustratingly close to getting it working, but i'm getting a TooManyExternalNetwroks exception in the nova-server logs.
[22:24] <oskars> it also seems to be taking away my ability to spell things correctly


[07:33] <Kilos> o/
[07:55] <dholbach> hey hey
[08:02] <Mister_Q> morning
[08:02] <Kilos> hi dholbach svij and others
[08:02] <svij> morning all
[08:02] <Kilos> hi Mister_Q
[08:02] <Mister_Q> hey Kilos
[08:03] <dholbach> hi Kilos
[16:47] <svij> dholbach: what!
[16:47]  * svij hugs dholbach
[16:47]  * dholbach hugs svij back
[16:48]  * popey hugs dholbach
[16:48]  * dholbach hugs popey back
[16:48]  * pleia2 hugs dholbach
[16:48]  * dholbach hugs pleia2 too :-)
[16:48] <dholbach> big big big big hugs!
[16:49] <svij> dholbach: have fun in your world tour!
[16:49]  * svij is now officially jealous ;)
[16:59] <czajkowski> Lo
[17:00] <czajkowski> :o
[17:15] <dholbach> see you tomorrow everyone!
[17:29] <jcastro> mhall119: my kubernetes sig meeting is conflicting, so I won't be able to attend the scale planning meeting
[17:29] <jcastro> please give my regards to the crowd
[17:31] <mhall119> jcastro: will do
[17:46] <jose> mhall119: if you need any help with scale planning, I'm happy to give a hand
[23:05] <tsimonq2> If only dholbach had a bouncer so I could give him hugs too!
[23:05] <tsimonq2> Well I guess I'll have to find him tomorrow when I wake up for school...
[23:39] <belkinsa> So...is the Team planning to hire another community manager>


[04:51] <head_victim> sagaci: gettomg all excited about Natty?
[04:52] <sagaci> head_victim, yeah... it's a great release
[04:52] <head_victim> It's definitely a "game changer" that has people talking
[04:52] <sagaci> since I've actually contributed a tid-bit, ie. translations
[04:52] <sagaci> and a couple of failed package builds
[04:52] <sagaci> yeah, I'm really digging unity
[04:53] <head_victim> I really need to try it out :/
[04:53] <head_victim> I'm just so flat out with work and applying for new jobs on top I've hardly had any time at all this cycle for ANY testing
[04:53] <sagaci> it might take a little bit to get used to but i'm glad I didn't throw it away at first hiccup a couple of months ago
[04:53] <sagaci> yeah fair enough
[04:54] <head_victim> blahdeblah: I forgot to chase you up, did those flood relief PC people want business cards or install CDs to give out with them? If so an approximate number would be good.
[04:54] <head_victim> sagaci: that's the impression I get from a lot of people, the people who hate it only have used it for a short period of time.
[04:54] <sagaci> hopefully oneiric is stable enough to be granted an RC release
[04:54] <head_victim> Those that persevere have nothing but praise.
[04:54] <head_victim> LTS ?
[04:54] <blahdeblah> head_victim: I haven't heard anything back yet
[04:54] <head_victim> blahdeblah: no worries, just didn't want you to think I'd forgotten about it.
[04:54] <sagaci> it's basically everything I wanted, done for me
[04:55] <sagaci> head_victim, no, a beta and release candidate release, not just beta 1 and beta 2
[04:55] <head_victim> sagaci: that's why I love Ubuntu, in that exact sentence. I don't want to have to spend days organising my stuff, I want it to just work.
[04:55] <head_victim> Ah yeah I realised what you meant about 2 seconds after I hit enter (I've been awake over 24 hours now)
[04:56] <head_victim> Will be interesting to see the turnout to the release parties.
[04:56] <sagaci> it looks integrated, with the font, launcher, dash is schweet, global menu works for everything I need it to (hopefully for 90% of apps by 11.10)
[04:56] <sagaci> you can change between all top right menus now
[04:57] <sagaci> without having to skip over calendar which has always annoyed me
[04:57] <head_victim> sagaci: yeah I'm just worried about 2d for this old clunker and how it will look beside the main pc with 3d
[04:57] <sagaci> yeah
[04:57] <head_victim> I use synergy so it's been fairly easy to set up Lubuntu and Ubuntu with similar themes to make it all gel
[04:57] <sagaci> but the great thing is, it's still all the same underneath, so if you happen to not like Unity, you can always install another DE
[04:58] <head_victim> sagaci: yeah, I'm pretty boring, I'm the type to barely change a wallpaper (who even looks at those anyway, I always have programs open covering it)
[04:58]  * head_victim shamelessly plugs #ubuntu-release-party again
[04:59] <sagaci> I change the wallpaper, the default ones in with natty are lovely
[04:59] <head_victim> Yeah the only part I ever see is the background to the conky session I run
[04:59] <sagaci> head_victim, is it out yet
[04:59] <head_victim> !isitout
[04:59] <sagaci> lol
[04:59] <head_victim> Apparently not :P
[05:00] <sagaci> i'm joking
[05:00] <sagaci> love these couple of days
[05:01] <head_victim> Yeah and I go back to work tomorrow :/
[05:01] <head_victim> The release party is actually before one of my night shifts but I'm still going to go
[08:04] <sagaci> head_victim: ping
[08:06] <head_victim> sagaci: here for a short bit
[08:08] <sagaci> head_victim: do you know what the go is with the contributor numbers for the -au translations? I mean, it was at 81 when I first looked at it a couple of months ago, now it's 77. Do you have to stay active to be regarded as a contributor?
[08:47] <jfer> hi
[08:48] <jfer> did anyone read my post on the mailing list?
[09:28] <head_victim> sagaci: I think it's to do with old strings being replaced so older contribs are dropping off
[09:28] <head_victim> jfer: the tor one?
[09:34] <sagaci> just read it then
[09:35] <jfer> how did you find it?
[09:36] <jfer> would you agree that the community documentation needs a bit of work?
[09:36] <head_victim> jfer: community documentation ALWAYS needs work :/
[09:38] <head_victim> And from what I understand the documentation community seems to be moving away from wiki like pages to Mallard stuff
[10:03] <somethinginteres> hi all, I am trying to connect to my iPad through the Network using the Wifi sharing aspect of Goodreader. See: http://www.goodreader.net/gr-man-tr-wifi.html I can see my iPad in Network but I can't access it,  I'm getting the following error http://paste.ubuntu.com/599649/ I've asked in all the bigger channels but no such luck. Someone asked if I had firewall disabled and such but I've not set that up per se, not sure if ubuntu
[10:03] <somethinginteres>  comes with a default. tried opening port 8080 on the router, still no dice
[10:04] <head_victim> somethinginteres: is the ipad locked down to not allow that?
[10:06] <somethinginteres> head_victim: not according to the application (linked above) the feature is standard and an offical non-jailbroken app. It specifically mentions Ubuntu as being usable
[10:11] <head_victim> Is the domain meant to be local?
[10:11] <head_victim> Just checking it's not a left over default
[10:12] <somethinginteres> head_victim: absolutely no idea. I just clicked on the iPad in Network which is what the apps FAQ said to do and the error came up. So whatever values it spits out were done auto if that makes any sense :)
[10:14] <head_victim> somethinginteres: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-251761.html suggests it's firewall related, be that on the computer or on the ipad I'm not sure
[10:15] <somethinginteres> head_victim: hmm afaik the ipad can't be firewalled itself. So it has to be my router though, I have no idea what to do to resolve the issue in terms of what to unblock. I've allowed port 8080 and it's made no difference
[10:16] <somethinginteres> head_victim: the iPad is connected to the wifi and browsing etc works though ping doesn't seem to work on the IP address
[10:19] <head_victim> somethinginteres: I would have thought it more the computer or the ipad than the router, the router is the gateway to the net not the gateway to each device
[10:22] <head_victim> somethinginteres: if ping isn't working are you using device names or IPs, if you're using names I'd suggest pinging the IP, if that works then you just need to add the details to /etc/hosts and you're away
[17:56] <OfficiallyPC> I don't know if anyone asked this, but when will the Natty be released because it's 3 AM over here and it's not there yet.
[19:52] <head_victim> Aww, if anyone else is interested on when it will be released #ubuntu-release-party usually gets told pretty early on. I wouldn't expect it for about 12 - 16 hours yet though.


[00:02] <apachelogger> testin'
[00:03] <dantti> need to reboot, updated nvidia blob now my app does't run... :P
[00:04]  * dantti imagines if whole kde starts using EGL we will have to reboot every time nvidia is updated :P
[00:04] <apachelogger> oh gawd
[00:04] <apachelogger> good thing I am not using the nvidia :P
[00:09] <apachelogger> dantti: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=releaseme.git&a=commit&h=8338a6cf29f52f9091da959fd1054409d1e21a3e
[00:09] <dantti> apachelogger: cool, thanks :)
[00:09] <apachelogger> np
[00:12] <apachelogger> holy smokes
[00:12] <apachelogger> yofel_: I think you should write a script for mass SRUing ^^
[00:12] <apachelogger> I don't see a way to approve all and everything via the email interface
[00:56] <JontheEchidna> Do the archive admins generally go over the removals.txt list from ftp-master.debian.org, or do we file bugs manually for the things that need removed?
[02:12] <ScottK> apachelogger: We can also fix the window focus thing with a configuration change for KDM.
[02:13] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Generally they go over it, but if you need something $SOON, then a bug is in order.
[02:14] <JontheEchidna> eh, it's not urgent
[02:15] <JontheEchidna> koffice-l10n is still hanging around in Ubuntu, with a few calligra upgrade bugs: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice-l10n/+bugs
[02:29] <ScottK> It was just removed from Debian this week, so I image they'll get around to it.
[02:31] <apachelogger> ScottK: nah, that works around it, it doesn't fix the problem as such :P
[02:32] <ScottK> I suppose, but when I've made the change, I've never seen the problem again.
[02:32] <ScottK> I don't have a strong opinion on kdm versus lightdm right now.
[03:14] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: is qwt5 good for a sync?
[03:44] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I don't know.  I didn't check Ubuntu when I uploaded it.
[03:45] <JontheEchidna> k. I just saw that you Touched It Last (tm) in Ubuntu and Debian and wanted to touch base
[03:51] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: they look nearly identical/syncable. One thing I'm puzzled about is that you added MultiArch: same to libqwt5-qt4 in Ubuntu, but not in Debian.
[04:05] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: It was a mistake in Ubuntu. Get rid of it.
[04:05] <JontheEchidna> ok, a sync it is. the rest of the differences look legit too
[04:52] <ScottK> yofel_: I updated the python3 stuff for pykde4 in Debian and did it a bit differently.  You might want to have a look (It'll need a kde4libs patch too).
[09:13] <Mamarok> folks, there really is a problem with plasma on Precise, here comes another user with no starting plasma: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=102277
[09:13] <Mamarok> I also still have to start it manually
[09:26] <yofel_> apachelogger: I tried to do the SRU-bugfiling per script yesterday. but launchpad OOPSes when I try to approve the precise tasks
[09:26] <yofel_> ScottK: ok, I'll merge that in, thanks
[09:39] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdelibs] Philip Muškovac * 410 * debian/ (3 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[09:39] <CIA-42> * Add support to cmake/modules/PythonMacros.cmake for the environment variable
[09:39] <CIA-42> $PYTHONDONTWRITEBYTECODE to work around the lack of support for Python 3 byte
[09:47] <yofel> ScottK: why would python3-pykde4-dbg break/replace kdebindings-dbg though? That never had any py3 code
[09:49] <yofel> ScottK: also, don't you need to run dh_sip3?
[09:59] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/pykde4] Philip Muškovac * 33 * debian/ (5 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[09:59] <CIA-42> * Merge python3 changes with debian - drop cmake_no_bytecode.diff and instead
[09:59] <CIA-42> build-depend on kdelibs5-dev >= 4:4.8.80 which now provides
[10:03] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/pykde4] Philip Muškovac * 34 * debian/ (control rules) fix description of python3-pykde4-dbg and indentation in rules
[10:59] <apachelogger> yofel: did you iter over all packages, or did you try to approve them all at once?
[11:08] <yofel> apachelogger: I don't quite get the API there. I think I nominated them all at once and then just had 1 nomination which I could approve(); I didn't see a way to nominate 1 task, so probably directly adding precise tasks would work. For that I fist need to find out how to get the right task URL that I need to add
[11:08] <yofel> bbl
[11:26] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:27] <apachelogger> lo
[11:37] <apachelogger> !sru
[12:55] <ScottK> yofel: Good points.
[14:08] <apachelogger> we should like have a talk-to-a-dev day or something
[14:09] <apachelogger> Darkwing: claydoh: what does you think
[14:49] <apachelogger> Oo
[14:49] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: pen.setColor(Qt::red);
[14:51] <jtechidna> apachelogger: what about it?
[14:55] <dpm> hi Kubuntu folks, I'm sure you guys are familiar with both pyqt and pyside, could someone give me a hand with this question? http://askubuntu.com/questions/140740/should-i-use-pyqt-or-pyside-for-a-new-qt-project
[14:56] <ScottK> dpm: Use pyqt.  Upstream support for pyside is pretty much dead as Nokia quit funding it.
[14:57] <apachelogger> jtechidna: why do you hardcode colors in muon?
[14:58] <jtechidna> apachelogger: how else do I get red?
[14:58] <apachelogger> KColorScheme
[14:58] <apachelogger> fixing it right now
[14:58] <jtechidna> aah
[14:58] <jtechidna> didn't know that. was looking at QPalette and found nothing when I did that impl.
[15:00] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/bAb8D.png
[15:00] <apachelogger> jtechidna: yeah, kcolorscheme enhances qpalette
[15:00] <apachelogger> in fact you pass it a qpalette to work with ^^
[15:00] <jtechidna> ^^
[15:00] <dpm> thanks ScottK. What do you mean by upstream support, in which aspect is it dead?
[15:00] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/c8kem.png
[15:01] <jtechidna> apachelogger: thx
[15:01] <ScottK> dpm: pyside is a project Nokia started to have a LGPL set of Python bindings.  AIUI, as their focus have changed, they stopped funding development and there's not a large community around it.
[15:02] <dpm> was there not another company behind it that continued development?
[15:03] <apachelogger> jtechidna: surely you must have a bug for this somewhere
[15:03] <jtechidna> apachelogger: nope, I don't think anybody ever filed a bug about that
[15:03] <apachelogger> curious
[15:03] <apachelogger> it's like the most annoying thing when I have my monthly dark color week ^^
[15:05] <apachelogger> dpm: nah
[15:06] <apachelogger> well, unless you mean openbossa which is a project of indt which is run by nokia
[15:07] <apachelogger> though I think pyside had one independent free dev at one point or another ^^
[15:09] <apachelogger> dpm: so really it boils down to whether it is maintained or not and eitherway pyqt is the one that seems more future proof in that regard
[15:11] <ScottK> dpm: No.
[15:19] <apachelogger> jtechidna: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=muon.git&a=commit&h=f4c4827bd50464c4216ad40fb385ed7b81053e4d
[15:20] <jtechidna> thx
[15:20] <apachelogger> yw
[15:20]  * apachelogger wonders what to have for lunch^Wsupper
[15:20] <jtechidna> hehe
[15:20] <jtechidna> I think I'll step out for lunch in a bit here too
[15:24] <dpm> Thanks for the info ScottK and apachelogger, I'll add it to the question in askubuntu
[16:08] <Ezim> hi. when will the point release and the new kubuntu isos come out? next month?
[16:15] <rbelem> dpm, indt is the company that supports pyside
[16:17] <dpm> hi rbelem, so what would your answer to the question be? :-) http://askubuntu.com/questions/140740/should-i-use-pyqt-or-pyside-for-a-new-qt-project
[16:30] <shadeslayer> dpm: are you planning on using QML?
[16:30] <shadeslayer> pyside had better QML support iirc
[16:30] <shadeslayer> ( Note, this was about 10 months back )
[16:31]  * shadeslayer hasn't read the question though, still opening
[16:32] <shadeslayer> dpm: uh yeah, definitely pyside, QML was much better in pyside
[18:38] <afiestas> hey, any idea of how can I fix this issue? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/966913
[18:38] <afiestas> we should fix it in 12.04.1 I think
[18:45] <yofel> oh fun
[18:45] <yofel> smokekde was removed from the packageset o.O
[18:46] <yofel> ah
[18:46] <yofel> we *did* get demoted to universe
[18:47] <yofel> ScottK: still poke cjwatson about packageset stuff?
[18:47] <ScottK> AFAIK, yes.
[18:47] <ScottK> yofel: BTW, uploaded pykde4 again in Debian.  Thanks again.
[18:48] <yofel> yw
[18:49] <debfx> yofel: are you sure? I still see lots of packages in main
[18:49] <yofel> !info kdelibs5 quantal
[18:49] <yofel> universe ^
[18:49] <yofel> ongoing process I guess
[18:49] <debfx> that's just a binary package
[18:49]  * afiestas feels ignored :33
[18:50] <yofel> hm, true
[18:51] <yofel> smokekde IS in universe though now
[18:51] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/smokekde
[18:51] <debfx> according to lp it always was in universe
[18:51] <yofel> or was that manually added to the set before?
[18:52] <yofel> maybe just me being confused then -.-
[18:53] <debfx> afaik the kubuntu packageset only contains packages from main
[18:54]  * yofel wonders if we could at least fix *that* now - if that doesn't have to wait until the archive reorg
[19:01] <ScottK> Being in the Kubuntu packageset is enough to drag something into Main (at least historically).
[19:02] <debfx> ScottK: no, being in the kubuntu seed drags package into main
[19:02] <debfx> qtmobility (universe) is in the packageset so manual exceptions for universe packages are certainly possible
[19:03] <ScottK> Oh.  Good point.
[19:32] <Sput> debfx: a while ago you contributed patches to quassel regarding SSL cert handling. do you think those are worthy of being backported to 0.8, hence the stable branch, or would they be considered a feature that stays in master?
[19:37] <debfx> Sput: I'd consider them as bugfixes but I guess it's a corner case
[19:39] <Sput> debfx: well, *I* don't care, you guys need to know if you'd take them in a stable update :)
[19:39] <Sput> I'll cherry-pick them if you say it's ok/desired
[19:40] <debfx> Sput: they are already part of the ubuntu package
[19:40] <Sput> debfx: ok, then I'll just include them for 0.8.1, thx
[19:44] <yofel> ScottK: I uploaded 4.8.3 (except blinken, cantor and l10n) to precise-proposed if you could look at it. Please reject my first kwordquiz upload, I uploaded that twice by mistake
[19:49] <ScottK> yofel: Reject done.  I don't really have time to review it today.
[19:50] <yofel> thanks, no hurry
[19:52] <ScottK> If you can give me  a list of .dsc's of the pacakges you can't upload (non-l10n), I'll upload them.
[21:02] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime] Philip Muškovac * 275 * debian/ (7 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[21:02] <CIA-42> * Merge with debian git, remaining changes: - add kde-runtime.[postinst,prerm]
[21:02] <CIA-42> for update-alternatives kdesu - debian/control: + Remove libqzeitgeist-dev
[22:20] <apachelogger> yofel: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/base/xsettings-kde
[22:21] <yofel> \o/
[22:21] <yofel> *blink*
[22:21] <yofel> when did projects.kde.org get a new UI o.O?
[22:21] <apachelogger> dunno
[22:21] <apachelogger> like a month ago or so
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> when an update for the framework broke the theme
[22:22] <yofel> heh
[22:22] <apachelogger> well, didn't they use redmine before?
[22:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?57772-Muon-colours-anyone
[22:23] <apachelogger> I always find it fun how people complain about bugs in all the wrong channels
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, that
[22:23] <apachelogger> hence why I think we should do regular talk-to-a-dev days
[22:25] <apachelogger> claydoh: you may want to mention http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=muon.git&a=commit&h=f4c4827bd50464c4216ad40fb385ed7b81053e4d here http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?58539-Theme-consistency-on-the-desktop
[22:25] <apachelogger> also that thread does not compute
[22:26] <apachelogger> i.e. LightDM is part of the pre-workspace experience, how would that thing know about workspace depnendent settings


[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[11:29] <mitya57> dholbach: pushed updated index.html to lp:~ubuntu-packaging-guide-team/+junk/update-packaging-guide
[11:29] <mitya57> I am not a web designer, so it's far from perfect, but definitely better than what we have now
[11:30] <mitya57> hm, run script should be updated to copy more stuff
[11:32] <mitya57> pushed that as well
[12:10] <dholbach> mitya57, wow - let me take a look
[12:13] <dholbach> mitya57, that's looking great already!
[12:13] <dholbach> thanks a lot!
[12:20] <dholbach> mitya57, I guess some changes also need to go into the ubuntu theme in lp:ubuntu-packaging-guide
[12:20] <dholbach> but I'm no expert either
[12:27] <mitya57> dholbach: that would be more difficult
[12:28] <dholbach> I guess so
[12:32] <mitya57> dholbach: actually, I like the current style of guide itself more than the index.html I wrote :)
[12:33] <dholbach> mitya57, you mean of articles on developer.u.c or articles on packaging.u.c?
[12:33] <mitya57> I mean articles on packaging.u.c
[12:34] <dholbach> ok
[12:34] <mitya57> If you want, I can make the header bar orange
[12:34] <dholbach> maybe we should ask others how they feel about it....
[12:35] <mitya57> Hmm, closing the message about cookies doesn't work
[12:36] <dholbach> just comparing https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/tutorials/building-your-first-qml-app/ to http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/auto-pkg-test.html I like how the article on developer.u.c has more space and is more readable
[12:36] <dholbach> but that's just my opinion
[12:36] <dholbach> others might feel differently
[12:37] <dholbach> developer.u.c is also more readable from a device with smaller screen
[12:37] <dholbach> we would sort of get that for free
[12:42] <mitya57> dholbach: are non-minified versions of developer.u.c CSS files available somewhere?
[12:43] <dholbach> I'll ask around
[12:46] <mitya57> Well, in any case, we can't just use the CSS files from there, we need to write a Sphinx theme simulating them
[12:47] <mitya57> I will be able to look at that only if I somehow have lots of free time :)
[13:02] <dholbach> ok... I just wasn't sure if we could do some simple fixes :)
[13:02] <dholbach> right
[13:02] <dholbach> in any case I'll follow up on the bug
[13:02] <dholbach> and thanks a lot for your help already!
[13:02] <mitya57> You are welcome :)
[13:31] <dholbach> mitya57, I was just told:
 dholbach, the scss is available at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~canonical-webmonkeys/ubuntu-web-style-guide/trunk/files/head:/sass/responsive/latest/
[13:31] <dholbach> not sure if that's all we need?
[13:41] <mitya57> dholbach: Is this really the same code as on developer.u.c?
[13:41] <mitya57> File names are different
[13:43] <dholbach> I'll ask