[12:29] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[12:30] <mdke> afternoon mpt
 what's "guided filebug workflow"?
[12:49] <mpt> You see, kiko, there's no such thing :-)
[12:49] <mpt> "workflow" is not a synonym for "multiple pages to do something"
[12:50] <lifeless> rotfl
[12:50] <somerville32> lol
[12:53] <LarstiQ> mpt: it's a lot of work and the pages flow past!
[12:58] <mpt> No no, it's HTTPS, they trickle
[02:19] <ddaa> lifeless: do you have details about the Gnome switch to SVN?
[02:19] <ddaa> lifeless: did they just turn off the light on ALL their CVS repositories?
[02:20] <ddaa> and do they have one huge svn repository or one repository for each cvs repo?
[02:20] <oojah> gnome cvs worked for me just the other day.
[02:20] <ddaa> oojah: can you define "the other day"?
[02:21] <ddaa> gnome cvs worked for me for a lot of days :)
[02:21] <oojah> Wednesday?
[02:21] <mdke> probably you can get better info from the gnome guys directly
[02:21] <oojah> har har
[02:22] <ddaa> mdke: certainly, but it's easier if somebody arounds knows what I need
[02:22] <ddaa> instead of popping up on some gnome chat room and starting to explain that I run the launchpad vcs imports etc.
[02:23] <mdke> ya
[02:23] <mdke> anyway, I read that cvs access is no longer available, even read only
[02:23] <ddaa> oojah: knowing this is is the beginning of wisdom, my friend
[02:23] <oojah> :)
[02:24] <mdke> i'lhttp://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2007-January/msg00011.html
[02:24] <ddaa> mdke: that would be easiest for me...
[02:24] <mdke> ignore the bad paste
[02:24] <ddaa> I could then just disable all cvs imports from gnome using a few lines of sql
[02:25] <ddaa> mdke: that's okay, gaim can cope with it
[02:25] <ddaa> har har har
[02:26] <mdke> irssi doesn't
[02:26] <ddaa> people feeling the pain of centralised vcs :)
[02:26] <oojah> cvs up still seems to be working.
[02:26] <ddaa> I guess it has been turned back on after this email.
[02:27] <mdke> potentially as a result of it
[02:27] <oojah> Yeah
[02:27] <mdke> he's made your life difficult :)
[02:28] <ddaa> not really
[02:28] <ddaa> what matters is the policy
[02:28] <ddaa> if it's "nobody uses CVS anymore" it makes no difference to me
[02:28] <ddaa> and seriously, switching to svn just makes my life easier on so many levels...
[02:29] <ddaa> except for all the missing feature in our svn support :/
[02:29] <ddaa> but svn is still noticeable more sane for me to deal with than cvs
[02:30] <oojah> It's noticeably more sane for everybody I'd bet...
[02:30] <ddaa> somebody said that
[02:30] <ddaa> cvs was a great improvement for systems that came after it
[02:39] <ddaa> Our imports from GNOME started to fail on Dec. 25th
[02:39] <ddaa> apparently, the gnome sysadmin has no family to spend Christmas with :)
[02:45] <ddaa> crap
[02:45] <ddaa> the DC does not route to svn.gnome.org :(
[05:05] <evand> Is there a process for changing the email address my @ubuntu.com forward points to?  I set a different address as the primary in launchpad but mail still goes to the address I original set my launchpad account up with.
[06:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78036 in launchpad "Bug reporting form no longer offers the option to report a bug privately" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78036
[06:24] <Bhaskar> doko:i have one problem, i have laptop but it has password on bios, i dont know the password, how can i remove password from bios
[09:15] <carlos> morning
[09:21] <matthewrevell> carlos: morning
[09:26] <matthewrevell> cprov-afk: Do you think bug 59443 might be a FiF candidate?
[09:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59443 in soyuz "Soyuz should send announce messages for backports to different list" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/59443 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov)
[11:05] <cprov> good morning, guys !
[11:06] <SteveA> mpt: hi
[11:06] <SteveA> mpt: which of your branches should I use to update beta with latest fixes?
[11:06] <cprov> matthewrevell: hi, I have already implemented it. if the FiF can help in getting a quicker review
[11:09] <Bhaskar> jinty:hello
[11:09] <jinty> Bhaskar: hi
[11:10] <Bhaskar> jinty: any success case study of deployment of localized schooltool in any country
[11:12] <jinty> Bhaskar: I think the schooltool mailing list is a better place for that question.
[11:12] <Bhaskar> jinty: well
[11:13] <Bhaskar> jinty: there is a problem in template2006 :schooltool??
[11:13] <matthewrevell> cprov: who's reviewing for FiF?
[11:14] <cprov> matthewrevell: I have no idea
[11:14] <jinty> Bhaskar: I did describe possible problems yesterday, unfortunately without a more specific description of what exactly is the problem you are seeing, I cannot help you.
[11:14] <lifeless> matthewrevell: there is no specific FiF review queue at this point
[11:15] <matthewrevell> lifeless: Ah
[11:15] <lifeless> matthewrevell: noone discussed or proposed setting one up.
[11:15] <lifeless> matthewrevell: right now, all the reviewers who are not on leave have 3 branches allocated
[11:15] <lifeless> through to monday morning, the only one here is bjornt
[11:16] <Bhaskar> jinty: i have translate template 2006 schooltool: download .po and .mo then i have update translation i e compile , now i fine only partially string are converted in schooltool, not all the string , why
[11:19] <mpt> SteveA, mpt/launchpad/2006-08-ui
[11:22] <jinty> Bhaskar: I did describe some possible reasons for those issues yesterday. These missing translations have to be investigated on a case by case basis. I would suggest that you learn about gettext and how .po, .pot and .mo files work.
[11:23] <cprov> stub: ping
[11:23] <Bhaskar> jinty: well
[11:24] <Bhaskar> jinty: launchpad.net automatically generate .po and .mo file
[11:25] <jinty> Bhaskar: It uses the .pot file as a template for the .po files I guess. The .mo file is generated from the .po file.
[11:26] <Bhaskar> jinty: i download .po and .mo from launchpad.net and use those files for update translation
[11:27] <stub> cprov: pong
[11:28] <SteveA> thanks mpt
[11:28] <cprov> stub: can you, please, join #soyuz (i.c.c)?
[11:32] <Bhaskar> jinty: i will send you the template that i have translated , please check it
[11:33] <jinty> Bhaskar: I don't think I will have the time to go through the template you send me in detail.
[11:34] <Bhaskar> jinty:ok
[11:35] <jinty> Bhaskar, I think if you want t a perfect schooltool translation, you will have to learn about gettext, schooltool and zope3. Then you can solve your own problems and help with the development of schooltool.
[11:36] <Bhaskar> jinty: well
[11:39] <Bhaskar> jinty: i think the .po and .mo given by launchpad is perfect
[11:42] <jinty> Bhaskar: but perhaps the .pot file given to launchpad is not.
[11:43] <Bhaskar> jinty: why this happens?
[11:46] <jinty> Bhaskar: perhaps it is out of date or there are translation bugs in schooltool or a couple of other reasons.
[11:47] <jinty> Bhaskar: You have to look at a single not translated string and find out why it is not translated.
[11:47] <jinty> Bhaskar, it takes a lot of time.
[11:47] <Bhaskar> jinty: i will seriously check
[11:48] <Bhaskar> jinty: we are looking help from your team
[11:49] <Bhaskar> jinty: we think we should improve schooltool, deploy in many schools
[11:50] <Bhaskar> jinty: we are planning to deploy in 5 school upto end of 2007
[11:50] <Bhaskar> jinty: see www.mpp.org.np
[11:50] <Bhaskar> jinty: also www.nepalinux.org
[11:50] <matthewrevell> lifeless: So that means FiF work don't today won't make it to edge for tomorrow.
[11:51] <Bhaskar> jinty: these are our official websites
[11:51] <jinty> Bhaskar: then it's essential that you learn how to solve the problems that will occur. This is one of them.
[11:51] <jinty> Bhaskar: Deploying schooltool right now without understanding it is a very bad idea right now. Perhaps later, when it is more stable it will be easier.
[11:52] <jinty> Bhaskar, I don't think the schooltool team will have the time to help you at the level you will need.
[11:52] <Bhaskar> jinty: for this we always looking of your and Tom 's suggestion
[11:54] <Bhaskar> jinty: after localization , we will go for customization so we need help from your team
[11:54] <jinty> Bhaskar, then my suggestion is that you gain skills in how schooltool translations work, gettext is a good place to start
[11:55] <Bhaskar> jinty: so i have to study gettext
[11:56] <jinty> Bhaskar, At least find out how it works at a high level, also learn Python and Zope3
[11:58] <Bhaskar> jinty: i think so. can you us the technical document os schooltool so that we can easily follow the path
[11:58] <jinty> Bhaskar: do you have a schooltool subversion checkout?
[11:59] <Bhaskar> jinty:no
[12:01] <jinty> Bhaskar: that's a good place to start, I think this document will help you: http://www.schooltool.org/documentation/setting-up-a-development-server
[12:02] <jinty> Bhaskar, also this one to start with Zope3: http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/Zope3In30Minutes
[12:04] <jinty> Bhaskar, there are also 2 books about Zope3, I would suggest you get the second edition of http://worldcookery.com/ as it is most current
[12:05] <stub> carlos: Can you please check staging? I just ran your potemplate update on there and want confirmation before running on production.
[12:06] <carlos> how many entries were changed?
[12:06] <Bhaskar> jinty:  well i will chech these
[12:07] <Bhaskar> jinty: in which depth, i develope skill on zope,python for schooltool
[12:08] <jinty> Bhaskar: you will need a high skill level in python, zope and schooltool to do customization
[12:08] <stub> carlos: 571 on staging
[12:09] <carlos> stub: ok
[12:09] <Bhaskar> jinty: in your estimation, tentative duration??
[12:09] <carlos> let me finish something I'm doing right now and I will give you the confirmation, ok?
[12:09] <stub> carlos: Don't check all of them of course - just one or two you know should have been changed and one or two you know should not have been changed. I'm just feeling paranoid today (must be this damn flu thing I've picked up *again*!)
[12:11] <jinty> Bhaskar, it will be months to learn how to customize, much less to get good translations
[12:12] <Bhaskar> jinty: there is any trainining program in your organization for giving the idea about customization
[12:13] <jinty> Bhaskar, you will have to speak to th1a about that
[12:14] <Bhaskar> jinty: i discussed with him in that matter, he said that he will disscuss with you also
[12:15] <Sesse> lifeless: any luck with my issue?
[12:23] <Bhaskar> jinty: think about these issue also
[12:24] <Bhaskar> jinty: i will meet sunday, bye
[12:25] <carlos> stub: ;-)
[12:25] <carlos> don't worry, I was not planning to check all them
[12:25] <carlos> I wanted the number just to see that is something expected
[12:29] <carlos> stub: ok, looks fine, but I would also want to set 'languagepack = FALSE' when iscurrent is also changed
[12:29] <carlos> could you add it to the query and run it on production?
[12:40] <carlos> danilos: could you add to your agenda to attend next meeting noted at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda  ?
[12:41] <kiko> evand, I don't think it's immediate -- it takes a while to resync.
[12:42] <danilos> carlos: the time sucks (it's my father's birthday), and there were other candidates as well (at least OgMaciel and someone else responded to email call for candidates)
[12:43] <carlos> danilos: ok, that's fine
[12:43] <carlos> danilos: about Og, I should check with him why isn't him there
[12:45] <stub> carlos: done
[12:45] <carlos> stub: thank you
[12:46] <lifeless> Sesse: jamesh wasn't around today, I dont know why.
[12:46] <Sesse> lifeless: mm, ok. thanks anyway.
[12:47] <lifeless> Sesse: so, I have your person page open, and will move it forward monday...
[12:47] <Sesse> lifeless: ok, thanks :-)
[12:52] <static> hellooooo launchpad
[12:52] <matthewrevell> static: hey hey
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78073 in launchpad "launchpad-bugs receiving Bug #1 spam" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78073
[01:27] <lifeless> no ddaa, I dont know anything about the svn layout
[01:27] <ddaa> nevermind
[01:27] <ddaa> it's moot until the vcs-imports systems can actually route to svn.gnome.org
[01:27] <ddaa> care about endorsing the corresponding RT request?
[01:28] <ddaa> RT 26372
[01:34] <carlos> ddaa: isn't svn.gnome.org hosted in our datacenter?
[01:34] <ddaa> from the look of IP, yes, it is
[01:35] <ddaa> but it's probably in some DMZ that's cut off the rest of the DC
[01:35] <carlos> I see
[01:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78077 in malone "kpdf doesn't print" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78077
[01:36] <danilos> ddaa: Gnome CVS is completely off, no commits will ever happen there again
[01:36] <ddaa> danilos: good to know
[01:36] <danilos> ddaa: as for SVN, CVS HEAD has been migrated to svn.gnome.org/svn MODULE/trunk, branches to branches/BRANCH and tags to tags/TAG
[01:37] <ddaa> danilos: is this a single svn repo for everybody
[01:37] <danilos> ddaa: and some developers have decided to change that even further, which makes everybody else's life harder (like banshee and beagle, which have beagle/trunk/beagle)
[01:37] <ddaa> or one repo for each project?
[01:37] <danilos> ddaa: no, it should be one per project afaik
[01:37] <ddaa> nice
[01:38] <danilos> ddaa: but it would be worth checking, I am not sure on that
[01:39] <danilos> ddaa: yeah, it's repo per project, or at least that's what http://live.gnome.org/SubversionMigration implies
[01:40] <lifeless> Znarl: where is rt 26372 in the queue? importd cannot do any of gnome until its addressed.
[01:42] <Znarl> lifeless : I think that should be easy to resolve.  I'll get to it now for you.
[02:11] <kiko> BjornT, is bug 46237 now fixed?
[02:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46237 in malone "fine-tune delivery of duplicate notification mails" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46237
[02:14] <Znarl> lifeless : RT#26372 will take the co-operation of the gnome servers admin to resolve, I'm chasing him now about it.
[02:15] <BjornT> kiko: not sure. i'll have to check after lunch
[02:16] <kiko> thanks BjornT
[04:03] <Nafallo> no support for closing bugs from changelogs yet, right? :-)
[04:08] <kiko> right :)
[04:08] <Nafallo> good to know :-)
[04:09] <kiko> the irony!
[04:09] <Nafallo> hehe
[04:11] <Hobbsee> kiko: implement it then :P
[04:12] <Hobbsee> then again, that wouldnt help with the "hopefully fixes #bugno and a whole heap of other bugs"
[04:13] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: hehe. AI ftw! :-)
[04:17] <laszlok> matthewrevell: ping
[04:17] <matthewrevell> laszlok: hi
[04:17] <matthewrevell> laszlok: how's Canadia?
[04:17] <matthewrevell> :)
[04:18] <laszlok> do i just tell you what i want fixed here, or do you guys want it submitted on a bug tracker
[04:18] <laszlok> heh, Canada's pretty good :)
[04:19] <matthewrevell> laszlok: Feel free to let us know what you're after and we can either work that into a bug report, or look for an existing bug.
[04:19] <laszlok> okay, what i want is the ability to change the status of multiple bugs at once
[04:20] <laszlok> for example, before jokosher 0.2 we marked all the bugs as Fix committed
[04:20] <matthewrevell> ok
[04:20] <laszlok> and then jokosher 0.2 got released, and i had to go through about 100 bugs to mark them as "fix released"
[04:22] <laszlok> so if i do an advanced search for only bugs with state "fix committed", then there should be a little button that says "Change the status of all shown bugs"
[04:22] <matthewrevell> laszlok: As you know, I'm pretty new to the team, so I need to check with BjornT
[04:22] <laszlok> sure, np
[04:22] <matthewrevell> BjornT: laszlok wants to be able to mark multiple bugs as fixed. Is that part of the bug tracking release management?
[04:23] <BjornT> matthewrevell, laszlok: no. but there are plans for making it possible edit more than one bug at once. there should be a bug about it somewhere.
[04:24] <laszlok> its just that making two different statuses for, fix committed and fix released is something no one else does
[04:24] <laszlok> and a soon as you release, all the bugs automatically change
[04:25] <matthewrevell> bug 41702
[04:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41702 in malone "Allow mass changing of bugs' statuses" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/41702
[04:25] <laszlok> plus, launchpad already knows when the release is gonna happen anyway, so maybe it should change it based on the milestone the bug is set to
[04:26] <kiko> laszlok, well, actually, I'm not sure fix committed versus fix released is clear for ubuntu
[04:26] <kiko> when should one or the other be set?
[04:26] <kiko> currently fix released is set when the upload happens,
[04:27] <laszlok> is fix committed for upstream then?
[04:28] <kiko> fix committed is for revision control, mostly
[04:28] <popey> kiko: I am still receiving mails from launchpad twice.. is this being looked at by any chance?
[04:28] <BjornT> kiko: btw, it seems like bug 46237 is still not fixed.
[04:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46237 in malone "fine-tune delivery of duplicate notification mails" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46237
[04:29] <cr3> I'm trying to create a new team in Launchpad and I get an error about the Contact Email Address because it is already registered in Launchpad to myself!
[04:29] <kiko> BjornT, hmmm, I thought we were no longer broadcasting duplicate notices.
[04:29] <kiko> cr3, why don't you remove the email address from your account
[04:29] <kiko> BjornT, can you see what's affecting popey? I thought his issue was related to the problem we fixed over the past two days but perhaps it is not.
[04:30] <popey> BjornT: I (and others) am/are getting double mails from the support tracker
[04:30] <kiko> popey, oh! the /support/ tracker?!
[04:30] <popey> yus
[04:30] <cr3> kiko: why? it seems reasonable to have an email address for my account and a contact email address for a team
[04:31] <kiko> wow.
[04:31] <kiko> cr3, email addresses in launchpad are unique; we can't easily change that.
[04:31] <popey> i am subscribed to the support tracker, so i get every mail twice, well, it's not every mail, looks like possibly only some, but most
[04:31] <cr3> kiko: so two groups can't have the same contact email address either, right?
[04:31] <kiko> cr3, yeah.
[04:32] <matthewrevell> laszlok: Does bug 41702 report your issue?
[04:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41702 in malone "Allow mass changing of bugs' statuses" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/41702
[04:32] <BjornT> popey: oh, me too actually. i assumed it was something on my side, but it seems like it's launchpad after all :) i can take a quick look to see if i can reproduce it locally.
[04:32] <laszlok> matthewrevell: yes its identical to my issue
[04:33] <popey> BjornT: let me know if you need any mails forwarding, although I guess you probably have some
[04:33] <BjornT> kiko: previously we sent two notifications about duplicate bugs; one from from each bug. now we send only a notification from the master bug.
[04:34] <kiko> BjornT, and we don't send notifications of new duplicates being added to the main bug's subscribers either, right?
[04:34] <matthewrevell> laszlok: If you have anything to add, then please add a comment to the bug.
[04:34] <matthewrevell> BjornT: Is 41702 a likely FiF candidate?
[04:35] <BjornT> kiko: we do send notifications about new duplicates.
[04:35] <kiko> hmm. I thought we didn't.
[04:35] <kiko> ok.
[04:36] <BjornT> matthewrevell: probably not. i think it will take more than one day to design and implement.
[04:37] <matthewrevell> BjornT: okay, thanks.
[04:38] <popey> belated "hello" matthewrevell from some days ago
[04:38] <matthewrevell> laszlok: As the bug would take longer than a day to fix, we can't look after it as part of Fix-it Friday. Thanks for raising it, though. If you add a comment to the bug it'll help.
[04:38] <matthewrevell> popey: Howdy :)
[04:41] <popey> matthewrevell: Jono is off to Aus?
[04:42] <popey> he could fit you in his suitcase couldn't he?
[04:42] <matthewrevell> popey: Yes, the lucky bearded get that he is
[04:42] <matthewrevell> popey: Not with all his metal t-shirts, no, sadly not :)
[04:42] <popey> ahh, of course
[04:42] <matthewrevell> popey: He had to look good for his public :)
[04:42] <matthewrevell> s/had/has
[04:43] <popey> ooo, today is fix it friday!?
[04:44] <popey> can you please fix the top contributors page so that it doesn't time out. it does my ego no end of harm when, upon checking to see if I have made the #1 spot, the page times out!
[04:44] <Nafallo> lol
[04:45] <popey> in fact, stuff the "two emails from the support tracker" problem, divert all power to +topcontributors scotty, I want warp factor ten!
[04:47] <kiko-fud> popey, I'm going to try and fix that -- I have it half-done in a branch
[04:48] <popey> w00t
[04:48] <popey> mate of mine wrote a script called "feedpopeysego.py" which grabs the top 10 contributors and sticks them in a csv file so i can track my progress :)
[04:49] <popey> but it times out
[04:49] <popey> which is sad :(
[04:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78090 in launchpad "Home page form has confusing wording in relation to undoing changes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78090
[04:51] <matthewrevell> popey: ha :)
[04:51] <laszlok> how hard would it be to make all the translation strings in rosetta searchable?
[04:52] <matthewrevell> laszlok: That's probably a question for danilos
[04:54] <matthewrevell> or carlos
[04:54] <laszlok> oh and where can i get a launchpad compatible irc bot like Ubugtu?
[04:55] <matthewrevell> laszlok: for #jokosher?
[04:55] <laszlok> matthewrevell: yup
[04:56] <danilos> laszlok: that's on the agenda as bug 44, but we're working on a workaround at the moment
[04:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44 in rosetta "Translations should be searchable" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[04:57] <laszlok> danilos: k cool, its not somethign i need right away or anything
[04:57] <carlos> danilos: the workaround is implemented and should be on production with next rollout
[04:58] <danilos> laszlok: it actually is something many translators need right away, so it's tagged as high priority as well
[04:58] <danilos> carlos: do you count the time it will take for the external search bots to index all the stuff?
[04:58] <carlos> danilos: well, that's google's fault!
[04:58] <carlos> ;-)
[04:58] <laszlok> it says in the bug that string for any product should be searchable, will i be able to search all products too?
[04:58] <matthewrevell> Guys, who looks after Ubugtu?
[04:58] <danilos> carlos: heh, right :)
[04:58] <Nafallo> matthewrevell: Seveas
[04:59] <Nafallo> matthewrevell: hi btw :-)
[04:59] <matthewrevell> Nafallo: thanks and hi :)
[04:59] <matthewrevell> laszlok: Looks as though Seveas isn't around at the moment but I'll drop him a mail.
[05:00] <danilos> laszlok: yeah, either search through a single, or through all of them
[05:01] <laszlok> danilos: that would be awesome because the currently translated recommendations thing isn't too smart at finding matches
[05:01] <danilos> laszlok: current "suggestions" is just list of different translations for the same string throughout rosetta
[05:03] <laszlok> danilos: yes, but what i mean is that sometime the string is a tiny bit different like has <b></b> around it, and i would like to be able to see how others translated it
[05:03] <danilos> laszlok: I know what you're talking about, but that's not yet implemented
[05:04] <danilos> laszlok: it's basically about "fuzzy" or "similarity" matches
[05:04] <laszlok> well, the ability to search and find it myself would make fuzzy matching unnecessary
[05:04] <danilos> laszlok: that's planned as well
[05:05] <danilos> laszlok: how's that? isn't it better if you get a list of translations of similar strings right on the same page?
[05:06] <laszlok> danilos: only if you're fuzzy matching is absolutely superb. For example i need to translate a string that has never been translated before, but i know that the key word in the sentence has been translated already
[05:06] <laszlok> so i search for the word, and try and find it in a similar context
[05:07] <danilos> laszlok: ok, your translation experiences differ from mine: I find fuzzy matching highly valuable, and not just in cases of punctuation changes and similar
[05:08] <laszlok> i think its because i mostly translate esperanto, which has relatively little stuff already translated
[05:09] <danilos> laszlok: yeah, maybe, but that's an interesting case as well
[05:24] <nakkiel> hi people
[05:26] <matthewrevell> hi nakkiel
[05:27] <nakkiel> let's clarify something, is this channel the one which serves as a support for launchpad.net ?
[05:29] <matthewrevell> nakkiel: Yeah, you can get help for Launchpad.net here
[05:29] <nakkiel> ok, thanks
[05:30] <matthewrevell> nakkiel: Is there something in particular that you need help with?
[05:30] <nakkiel> my question is fairly simple, it's stated in the FAQ that launchpad.net hosts Bazaar branches, but I didn't manage to setup one
[05:30] <nakkiel> so, I would like to know how I can setup a branch on launchpad ? :)
[05:31] <matthewrevell> ddaa: Are you able to help nakkiel who has a problem setting up a Bazaar branch in Launchpad?
[05:32] <nakkiel> perhaps there is some kind of howto or something ?
[05:32] <nakkiel> I can read doc, but I didn't find anything besides the FAQ
[05:34] <matthewrevell> nakkiel: New documentation is something that I'm working on at the moment. ddaa has written a guide on his own website though:
[05:34] <matthewrevell> http://ddaa.net/blog/launchpad/bzr-hosting
[05:34] <nakkiel> ok
[05:34] <nakkiel> I'll read that and provide you a feedback
[05:35] <matthewrevell> Thanks, I look forward to receiving it.
[05:35] <nakkiel> thank you
[05:35] <matthewrevell> No problem. If you need any further help, please do ask
[05:47] <ddaa> sorry, was answering a call of nature
[05:52] <matthewrevell> ddaa: I think nakkiel has gone to read your guide
[05:57] <cr3> Can a Launchpad team be given privileges for assigning a milestone to bugs logged in Malone?
[06:03] <nakkiel> ok, I managed to push a branch
[06:03] <nakkiel> playing a bit with it and then I'll give my feedback :)
[06:06] <matthewrevell> nakkiel: Cool :)
[06:09] <nakkiel> I wonder if "There is some latency between the time a branch is pushed to SFTP and the time when the data published by HTTP is updated. This latency is currently one day, but new code will be deployed soon bringing this down to a few minutes." is still true ?
[06:10] <LarstiQ> nakkiel: no, it can be 10 minutes iirc
[06:10] <nakkiel> ok, it explains why it took a few minutes for me :)
[06:11] <LarstiQ> some particular nasty vcs imports do take 24 hours though
[06:12] <nakkiel> beside that, the article is ok
[06:13] <LarstiQ> at the time it was written the statement was true
[06:14] <nakkiel> also, is bazaar slow compared to other DSCM like Mercurial ?
[06:14] <LarstiQ> nakkiel: #bzr is perhaps a better place for bazaar questions :)
[06:15] <nakkiel> I never used Bazaar before and I don't know if it's because of the server or bazaar but pushes are taking quite a long time
[06:15] <LarstiQ> nakkiel: Mercurial and git are the two dscms that focus on speed, and yes, they're faster than bzr
[06:15] <nakkiel> no, I was just wondering ..
[06:15] <nakkiel> ok, it was just a simple question, no offense
[06:15] <LarstiQ> though it depends on what you are doing, bzr is way faster for annotate
[06:16] <LarstiQ> nakkiel: no offense taken
[06:16] <nakkiel> ok :)
[06:16] <LarstiQ> nakkiel: I was just amused you picked the one vcs that's faster ;P
[06:17] <LarstiQ> nakkiel: what kind of branch are you pushing that you find slow?
[06:18] <nakkiel> it's a small branch, 83 files and something like 1 MB
[06:18] <LarstiQ> 1 revision?
[06:18] <nakkiel> yes
[06:18] <nakkiel> the initial one
[06:20] <LarstiQ> nakkiel: where are you pushing it to, and what makes you say it's slow?
[06:20] <LarstiQ> feedback on the push, total time it's taking for the amount of data?
[06:21] <nakkiel> I'm pushing to bazaar.launchpad.net and it's pretty slow
[06:21] <nakkiel> wait, I think it's frozen
[06:21] <LarstiQ> right, but how do you determine that?
[06:22] <nakkiel> well, these days, I experience problems with ftp connections
[06:23] <nakkiel> and I know it doesn't mean much
[06:23] <nakkiel> have you heard about the TCP Window Scale issue introduced in the Linux kernel some months ago ?
[06:24] <LarstiQ> nakkiel: no?
[06:24] <nakkiel> well, it's a kernel issue that affects TCP connection due to a change in the TCP Window scales negociation
[06:25] <nakkiel> basically, it affects TCP communications with _some_ hosts
[06:25] <nakkiel> and it's pretty hard to track this issue
[06:29] <matthewrevell> nakkiel: It's probably unfair to compare Bazaar's speed with that of Mercurial. The Mercurial guys have focused almost entirely on speed. The Bazaar guys have focused on doing it right and it's by no means slow. So, I believe merges tend to work better in Bazaar than Mercurial.
[06:29] <matthewrevell> nakkiel: The guys on #bzr could probably talk you through some of that stuff.
[06:30] <nakkiel> oh, I was not comparing them in the "buaha bazaar sucks", it was just to know if the slowness I experience was due to bazaar or rather to my setup
[06:31] <nakkiel> I don't really care to loose a few seconds
[06:31] <LarstiQ> nakkiel: I can't really determine that with more information, I know I'm ok with the speeds I get, but it could be better
[06:31] <nakkiel> and Bazaar seems to be a great tool
[06:31] <nakkiel> and Mercurial is actually far from perfect :)
[06:32] <LarstiQ> still, we learned quite a bit from them
[07:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78101 in malone "add "changed since $TIME" to search filters" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78101
[08:08] <carlos> see you next week!
[09:52] <nixternal> on LP, when I goto register my Wiki name on my page, it says another guy (who seems very inactive) has already registered. And I didn't steal it from him either :) Anything I can do?
[10:00] <mdke> SteveA: is it appropriate to bug you again about deleting that product series?