[00:02]  * valorie heard a rumor that sgclark is giving a talk
[00:02] <sgclark> I will be talking about my sok project
[00:02] <valorie> what about, Scarlett?
[00:02] <valorie> NICE
[00:02] <sgclark> the KDE CI
[00:03] <sgclark> hopefully I will not pass out in fear
[00:03] <valorie> oops, it's past 5,  I need to make a salad for dinner
[00:03] <valorie> sgclark: I'll bring rum?
[00:03] <valorie> passing out *in fear* is no good.....
[00:03] <valorie> :-)
[00:04] <sgclark> lol yeah booze tends to braven me up
[00:04] <sgclark> ugh only 150 more packages to go
[00:04] <ScottK> What would you possibly be afraid of?
[00:04] <ScottK> KDE is very friendly.
[00:04] <sgclark> I am very shy :)
[00:04] <Riddell> sgclark: have you given conference talks before?
[00:05] <sgclark> no
[00:05] <mparillo> sgclark: Useful public speaking tips: http://www.jokeemail.com/preacher/preacher15.htm
[00:05] <sgclark> I did pass out in speech class a couple decades ago
[00:05] <Riddell> sgclark: one of the great things about free software is it gives me a chance to improve my skills in areas like giving talks
[00:05] <valorie> !
[00:05] <valorie> def. bringing rum then
[00:05] <Riddell> sgclark: what day is it on?
[00:06] <sgclark> Riddell: yeah I actually want to do this, and this is only the student section which was empty last year, good place to practice
[00:06] <sgclark> hmm
[00:06] <sgclark> good question
[00:08] <sgclark> Riddell: no clue, but it is on the weekend during all the big talks, but during lunch break or something
[00:08] <sgclark> the room was sparce last year
[00:08] <sgclark> which I am totally ok with!
[00:10] <Riddell> can't see it on the schedule, maybe it's during the week, seaLne do you know when sok talks are?
[00:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do we really need libhybris as a bdep
[00:14] <shadeslayer> for kwin
[00:16] <Riddell> umm dunno what does git blame say?
[00:16] <Riddell> I assume I added it for a reason
[00:16] <shadeslayer>     Build-dep on libhybris and add kwin-hwcomposer-backend package
[00:16] <shadeslayer> you added it mate :)
[00:17] <Riddell> yes now I remember, it's for the hybris and hwcompositor backend
[00:17] <Riddell> what's the problem?
[00:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Debian doesn't have libhybris
[00:17] <shadeslayer> and I doubt it will
[00:17] <Riddell> sucks to be debian
[00:17] <Riddell> remove it in debian branch then
[00:17] <shadeslayer> Probably because it's not dfsg compatible or whatever
[00:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: which is the same as the Kubuntu branch :P
[00:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: which is why I asked, is kwin-hwcomposer being used anywhere
[00:18] <shadeslayer> or did you add it just because cmake was complaining
[00:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hmm, moment
[00:24] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Why do you doubt that Debian will have it?
[00:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes it's being used
[00:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: right, ok
[00:25] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I thought it wasn't dfsg compliant or something
[00:25] <Riddell> I would expect hybris is dfsg free, I've not checked but I believe android is free software they just don't develop it openly and only do a code dump occationally
[00:26] <ScottK> A quick read through debian/copyright says it's free.
[00:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: but master should be different from kubuntu_archive_foo as far as branches go
[00:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: DCI uses kubuntu_unstable
[00:26] <ScottK> It's also in Ubuntu Main, so modulo a screw up, is should be OK for Debian main too.
[00:26] <shadeslayer> since that's what we use to iterate
[00:27] <shadeslayer> mmm, depends on the android-headers package
[00:27] <shadeslayer> not in debian too ofcourse
[00:27] <shadeslayer> hurray
[00:27] <ScottK> That means it might be complicated to get there, but I don't see any fundamental barrier.
[00:27] <shadeslayer> okay
[00:30] <shadeslayer> <- talking out of his ass clearly
[00:34]  * valorie turns on the fan
[01:05] <[Relic]> shadeslayer, practicing for a future in politics?
[01:05] <shadeslayer> [Relic]: ??
[01:06] <shadeslayer> ah
[01:06] <shadeslayer> :P
[01:07] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: https://www.hipchat.com/downloads#linux-install
[01:10] <sgclark> ok my packaging is thwarted by a bug, time for me to call it, have a good night everyone.
[01:19] <shadeslayer> sgclark: night
[02:20] <seaLne> Riddell sgclark: gsoc/sok is saturday after lunch, 1500
[02:20] <seaLne> sgclark: speak to nightrose about it if she hasn't approached you
[06:14] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: so that's IRC?
[06:57] <tsdgeos> shadeslayer: Riddell: ping
[06:57] <shadeslayer> whats up
[06:58]  * shadeslayer is tired
[06:59] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: ??
[06:59] <tsdgeos> shadeslayer: writing :D
[06:59] <shadeslayer> oh xD
[06:59] <shadeslayer> So not a quick thing to do xD
[07:01] <tsdgeos> shadeslayer: what's kubuntu's policy for backporting bugfixes to vivid packages given that there's ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports with the new versions of stuff, do you actually backport something at all?
[07:01] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: bug fixes for official vivid archives have to go through SRU procedures, however, we have MRE's for certain things
[07:02] <shadeslayer> ( MRE = Minor Release Exception )
[07:02] <shadeslayer> ( Which means we can upload whole sets of KDE SC packages and stuff as long as they're bug fix only )
[07:02] <tsdgeos> i see
[07:02] <tsdgeos> i was saying because having http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=gwenview.git&a=commitdiff&h=94d4453ee8fdefb182e4730b0417e42ed56c3fb2&hp=4dc18b994558cbc88d8f1a701247ece3868682a8 for gwenview would be really a win
[07:03] <tsdgeos> shadeslayer: on non-kde related stuff, i have a one liner patch for the "fbi" package to make it not segfault, what's the correct way to get it to a release?
[07:03] <shadeslayer> !sru
[07:03] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: T
[07:03] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: ^ :P
[07:04] <tsdgeos> so i guess i just ask a debian folk and it'll hit ubuntu in a few years :D
[07:04] <shadeslayer> sure :P
[07:04] <shadeslayer> that's one way
[07:05] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: could you file a bug with the impact , and testing mechanism and the patch url on LP
[07:05] <shadeslayer> and toss it in here
[07:05] <tsdgeos> bug has been filed for like 3 years i think
[07:06] <tsdgeos> the patch isn't there
[07:06] <tsdgeos> but i guess noone cares about the package :D
[07:06] <tsdgeos> since "doesn't work at all" is quite a serious bug
[07:06] <shadeslayer> toss the link in here plz
[07:06] <tsdgeos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fbi/+bug/1450949
[07:07] <tsdgeos> it's hilarious is categorized as medium :D
[07:08] <shadeslayer> Bug #1450949 reported by Heineken on 2015-05-02
[07:08] <shadeslayer> not 3 years?
[07:08] <shadeslayer> idk
[07:08] <shadeslayer> unless it's 2018
[07:09] <shadeslayer> in which case, what the heck happened
[07:09] <tsdgeos> it is man! what rock have you been sleeping under!
[07:09] <tsdgeos> :D
[07:09] <shadeslayer> idk man, I just went for a walk
[07:09] <shadeslayer> and it's 2018
[07:09] <shadeslayer> time moves slowly in America
[07:09] <shadeslayer> it is after all UTC -8
[07:10] <tsdgeos> otoh i was checking this yesterday and i'm severely jet lagged
[07:11] <tsdgeos> so i'll accept the 3 years may have been my tired brain
[07:11] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: not sure what to say about fbi, I'd poke someone on #ubuntu-devel perhaps
[07:11] <shadeslayer> maybe someone has expertise with the package
[07:12] <shadeslayer> if not, then poke me with the patcheroo on Friday :P
[07:12] <shadeslayer> wait no don't
[07:12] <shadeslayer> it's in main
[07:12] <shadeslayer> I don't have permissions for main
[07:12] <shadeslayer> not elite enough
[07:15] <tsdgeos> :/
[07:15] <tsdgeos> ok, thanks
[07:15] <shadeslayer> yw
[08:22] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:29] <soee> hiho lordievader
[08:36] <sick_rimmit> hello friends
[08:36] <sick_rimmit> Good morning to you
[08:37] <lordievader> Hey soee
[08:46] <soee> hiho sick_rimmit
[08:53] <sick_rimmit> soee: Hi there
[09:14] <sick_rimmit> Totally off topic, just looking for suggestions you folks may have come across
[09:15] <sick_rimmit> I am looking for a Documentation system ( Like phpDocumentor ) that can generate APi documentation, and can be automated with Jenkins..
[09:16] <sick_rimmit> Anyone know of anything like that, that I should take a look at ?
[09:25] <soee> sick_rimmit: check http://fabien.potencier.org/sami-yet-another-php-api-documentation-generator.html
[09:25] <soee> https://github.com/FriendsOfPHP/Sami
[09:27] <Riddell> sick_rimmit: for what langauge?
[09:27] <soee> also: http://www.apigen.org/
[09:28] <sick_rimmit> Bless you soee Thanks
[09:30] <soee> Wily alpha1 this thursday ?
[09:32] <lordievader> Already?
[09:40] <soee> looks like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule
[09:41] <lordievader> Cool :)
[09:42] <Riddell> testing welcomed
[09:43] <soee> testing all the time @home on my laptop
[09:43] <soee> since 2-3 weeks there is a problem with ksysguard upgrade :)
[09:43] <soee> it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop
[09:43] <soee> -.-
[09:46] <soee> but i it feels liek whoel system works a bit faster and smoother compared to vivid
[10:10] <mparillo_> For wily, a bug to confirm (please): https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=349151
[10:11] <mparillo_> And the upgrade to Wily stalls for me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1464330
[10:31] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:45] <Riddell> waa kstars last one left to let kf5 in
[15:22] <santa_> Riddell: in case you forgot about them I have a couple of simple things awaiting to be merged from siduction
[15:24] <santa_> (plasma-workspace + khelpcenter)
[15:24] <santa_> the former fixes a launchpad bug
[15:25] <Riddell> ok give me a sec
[15:58] <Riddell> santa_: khelpcenter applied and uploaded, bluedevil was already applied but I'm not uploading cos ubuntu is stuck on bluez4
[16:04] <Riddell> santa_: sorry I'm not in the most responsive mood
[16:07] <santa_> no prob
[16:08] <santa_> the other one was plasma-workspace, not bluedevil
[16:09] <santa_> thank you very much for merging btw :)
[18:05] <clivejo> anyone having issues with powerdevil in wily?
[18:12] <sgclark> I have heard complaints. I am not on wily so I can't research.
[18:13] <clivejo> how could I research?
[18:14] <clivejo> Energy Saving part of the System Settings is greyed out. Saying that the Power Management Service is not running
[18:15] <clivejo> when I start it in Background services, it says unable to start server powerdevil
[18:17] <clivejo> nothing in pm-powersave.log
[18:20] <sgclark> clivejo: sounds like this bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/powerdevil/+bug/1464924 add what you can and add yourself as affected.
[18:41] <clivejo> when I debuild and there are files in debian/tmp does this mean these file havent been put into a package correctly?
[18:41] <sgclark> no, that is where it goes first and then copied at install time
[18:46] <clivejo> so icons and HTML etc go into -common ?
[18:46] <clivejo> executables and libs go into the main package to be built on each arch?
[18:48] <clivejo> how on earth did it build two days ago and not it wont!
[18:50] <sgclark> -data for stuff that is sharable like icons and stuff I think, libs is in package matching lib name and executables -bin. I think , verify with Riddell of course.
[18:50] <sgclark> changes?
[18:51] <clivejo> the original is skrooge and skrooge-common
[18:51] <sgclark> okies, I have not worked with -common, someone else will need to step in here.
[18:51] <clivejo> Im trying to package skrooge2.0.0
[18:51] <sgclark> cool :)
[18:52] <clivejo> not cool!
[18:52] <Riddell> -common is just another name for -data
[18:52] <sgclark> not cool ?
[18:52] <clivejo> cant get my head around it
[18:52] <sgclark> there ya go
[18:52] <clivejo> what is the standard?
[18:52] <Riddell> skrooge has no -bin that's only used for library packages usually
[18:52] <sgclark> I use -data ..
[18:53] <Riddell> clivejo: the standard is to follow whatever Debian do
[18:53] <sgclark> or that
[18:53] <clivejo> and that is?
[18:53] <Riddell> else it all becomes far to hard to maintain
[18:53] <Riddell> in the case of skrooge it's as you say, skrooge-common for /usr/share files and skrooge for everything else
[18:54] <clivejo> what about arch dependant files?
[18:55] <sgclark> so yeah existing packages I leave as they already are. Anyway, stepping out, do what Riddell says!
[18:55] <Riddell> clivejo: into "skrooge"
[18:55] <santa_> arch any -> skrooge; arch all -> skrooge-common
[18:55] <clivejo> I mean in the .install file
[18:56] <santa_> yes
[18:56] <clivejo> surely that depends on arch?
[18:56] <clivejo> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/plugins/grantlee ?
[18:56] <santa_> skrooge
[18:56] <Riddell> replace the x86_64-linux-gnu with a * in the .install file
[18:56] <Riddell> then it'll work on other arches too
[18:56] <santa_> yeah
[18:56] <clivejo> so /usr/lib/*/plugins/grantlee
[18:57] <Riddell> yep
[18:57] <clivejo> ah, that makes sense
[18:57] <clivejo> boy you are clever!
[18:58] <Riddell> ach packaging is easy, the programming is harder
[19:00] <sgclark> well it gets easy. It does not start out that way..
[19:01] <clivejo> strange filename - libskgbasemodeler.so.2.0.0
[19:02] <clivejo> is that right?
[19:03] <Riddell> yep
[19:03] <sgclark> if that is what upstrream named it then yes
[19:04] <clivejo> how do I copy it all like -r
[19:04] <clivejo> usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48
[19:04] <Riddell> library for skrooge base model, so version 2.0.0 I guess
[19:04] <Riddell> if you put a directory in the .install file that'll copy everything
[19:04] <clivejo> ie 16x16, 64x64
[19:04] <clivejo> so just usr/share/icons/hicolor
[19:04] <Riddell> usually for libraries you want to put usr/lib/libskgbasemodeler.so.2* which will get the file and symlink but not get the developer link
[19:04] <sgclark> usr/share/*
[19:05] <Riddell> some packages like to list every single file which is a pain when doing a new version but means mistakes don't creap in
[19:05] <Riddell> some just do usr/share and be done with it
[19:05] <Riddell> as usual, best to copy what the existing packaging does
[19:06] <clivejo> does usr/share not contain binaries?
[19:08] <clivejo> whats usr/share/kxmlgui5/skrooge_report/skrooge_report.rc ?
[19:08] <clivejo> just a data file?
[19:08] <clivejo> or usr/share/knotifications5/skrooge.notifyrc
[19:10] <Riddell> have a look
[19:10] <Riddell> they'll be text files
[19:10] <clivejo> XML?
[19:10] <Riddell> .ini format probably
[19:10] <Riddell> usr/share only has data files by various long standing standards
[19:11] <clivejo> so usr/share/* will catch all the data files and bung them into *-common
[19:31] <Riddell> clivejo: doesn't even need that asterisk
[19:33] <clivejo> pbuilder is complaining about http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kwallet-kf5/libkf5wallet-dev_5.10.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb not existing
[19:35] <clivejo> does apt-get update not get called automatically?
[19:38] <clivejo> I guess not!
[19:48] <Riddell> clivejo: nope you need to run that manually
[19:48] <clivejo> found that out myself :P
[19:49] <clivejo> its building :)#
[19:51] <clivejo> very slowly
[19:51] <clivejo> does pbuild have a multi-thread option?
[19:52] <Riddell> annoyingly faffy
[19:52] <Riddell> pbuilder-dist wily build --debbuildopts "-J4" foo.dsc
[19:52] <Riddell> I think
[19:52] <Riddell> where 4 is the number of cpus
[19:54] <clivejo> does anyone use skrooge?
[19:56] <ahoneybun> I tried
[19:56] <clivejo> tried?
[19:56] <ahoneybun> I can't figure about how to import my accounts
[19:56] <ahoneybun> bank wise
[19:56] <clivejo> oh
[19:57] <ahoneybun> I still have it installed though
[19:57] <Riddell> nope but I use calligra which needs an update if you want another challenge after this :)
[19:58] <clivejo> uploading to PPA now
[19:58]  * ahoneybun trys out Calligra
[19:58] <clivejo> so fingers crossed it builds on LP
[19:59] <ahoneybun> *tries
[20:00] <clivejo> Calligra 2.9.5?
[20:00] <clivejo> is it ported to KF5?
[20:01] <clivejo> oh, skrooge is delayed for 59mins, is that normal?
[20:08] <ahoneybun> Riddell: calligra words says it uses odt by default but then it tried to save in Palm OS database lol
[20:09] <Riddell> clivejo: it can be, launchpad gets busy sometimes
[20:09] <Riddell> ahoneybun: there's no opendocument standard for databases
[20:09] <Riddell> clivejo: yes 2.9.5, no they're still working on kf5 so it's just some new files I guess
[20:09] <Riddell> clivejo: but beware, it's a beast, it takes ages to compile
[20:09] <ahoneybun> idk then
[20:20] <clivejo> I must have been bumped up, 9mins into the compile
[20:21] <clivejo> 47%
[20:30] <clivejo> how long does it take after a build for *.deb files to be published?
[20:31] <sgclark> it is not a fixed time, dependsd on load, much like build
[20:35] <clivejo> eak 187M
[20:35] <clivejo> this is a beast
[20:39] <soee> i see some updates on Wily, mix of Kf 5.10 and 5.11 ?
[20:39] <soee> ksysguard still broken
[20:42] <Riddell> soee: I upgraded kf 5.10 but some bits of 5.11 to fix compiles
[20:42] <Riddell> uploaded
[20:42] <soee> ah cool :)
[20:43] <soee> but i assume it wont solve ksysguard conflicts ?
[21:32] <clivejo> Riddell: Calligra is complaining about FindKDE4.cmake, any ideas?
[21:33] <clivejo> I have kdelibs5-dev
[21:33] <clivejo> and cmake-data
[21:39] <sgclark> clivejo: I think that is kde-workspace
[21:40] <clivejo> Im currently installing qt4-dev-tools see if that helps
[21:40] <clivejo> Ill try that next
[21:41] <Riddell> clivejo: install qt4-default
[21:41] <Riddell> that will change some qt tools from qt5 to qt4
[21:43] <clivejo> should I just hold off til calligra is ported to 5?
[21:44] <Riddell> clivejo: goodness no, that'll be another 6 months or year
[21:44] <clivejo> LOL
[21:45] <Riddell> they put in a lot of work to make this bugfix release, least we can do is package it
[21:45] <clivejo> well that seems to have fixed it
[21:45] <clivejo> its building
[21:46] <clivejo> Ill have to open a window
[21:46] <clivejo> getting hot in here
[21:46] <clivejo> how long will this take to compile/build?
[21:47] <clivejo> oh and if Im trying to figure out where missing files go, can I run debuild without compling it all again
[21:51] <clivejo> skrooge isnt working :/  missing plugins / libraries
[21:59] <clivejo> oh digiKam 4.11 was released on Sunday
[22:15] <Riddell> clivejo: plenty for you to practice on :)
[22:15] <Riddell> clivejo: debuild -nc is the magic to redo it without compiling it all again
[22:15] <Riddell> "no clean"
[22:16] <Riddell> clivejo: but for testing the installed files  dh_install --list-missing  is the one command to run
[22:16] <Riddell> clivejo: calligra has so many .debs made out of it that working out which .install should get which file is seriously difficult
[22:16] <Riddell> you often need to resort to grepping cmakelists.txt files to work out where it came from
[22:17] <clivejo> do you think there is many file changes
[22:17] <clivejo> considering its a bug fix release?
[22:21] <sgclark> probably not
[22:22] <clivejo> do the programmers suggest the packages ?
[22:23] <Riddell> calligra always has more file changes than I expect
[22:23] <Riddell> clivejo: how do you mean?
[22:23] <Riddell> there's a README file in calligra which gives direction to packagers
[22:26] <clivejo> I must read it!
[22:59] <ahoneybun> what the
[22:59] <ahoneybun> you can't change the kwallet password?


[06:13] <KM0201> is there a way (using video files as ane xample).. you can make the icon " preview".. of the video.. rather than just a general .avi icon?
[06:13] <bioterror> yes
[06:14] <bioterror> was there a size settings for creating thumbnails?
[06:14] <bioterror> or was it thunar
[06:14] <KM0201> i think that was thunar
[06:51] <ubontoo-us3r> what's the command line to edit grub2
[06:51] <bioterror> depends
[06:52] <Unit193> What do you need to change?
[06:52] <ubontoo-us3r> i want to change the default o.s to load
[06:52] <ubontoo-us3r> I mean, i want a certain o.s to load so i dont have to wait when i reboot and press up or down arrow
[06:53] <bioterror> I dont usually wait, I press enter
[06:53] <bioterror> if I want to boot to Windows, I choose Windoze from the menu and press enter
[06:53] <Unit193> You can edit /etc/default/grub
[06:53] <bioterror> otherwise it will boot into GNU/Linux
[06:55] <ubontoo-us3r> unit193  thnx you
[06:55] <Unit193> Remember, it starts counting from zero
[06:57] <Riku_> for some reason on occasion.. my keyboard locks up & usb optical mouse stops working
[16:49] <MoShah> Hi, I'm trying to setup two monitors at the same time and one should be setup as an extended desktop. However, Everytime I restart Lubuntu 11.04 the setting doesn't save and I have to use xrandr again to reset it.
[16:50] <MoShah> Any ideas why this is happening please?
[19:16] <Ogi0n> is there a software out there that helps speed up file transfer betwee hdd ?
[19:18] <avelldiroll> if the bus between the two drives is set up correctly, not really
[19:19] <bioterror> keep those hard drives on different cables if using PATA
[19:20] <avelldiroll> if the performance is below the capacity announced by the drives, there might be a problem there, but appart from choosing a different filesystem depending on your usecase there is not much you can do
[19:20] <Ogi0n> I'm using SATA and im transfering about 150 gig, the problem is the file transfer rate is around 30 MB/s  and it takes about an hour or so to finish
[19:20] <avelldiroll> sata or sata2 ?
[19:20] <bioterror> 30MB/s is okay
[19:21] <bioterror> 30-40MB/s is what you get from 7200RPM hdd
[19:21] <Ogi0n> i think its sata
[19:22] <bioterror> and ofcourse the seek time and so on affects too ;)
[19:22] <Ogi0n> wait i think its sata2 since its a 3Gb/s
[19:22] <avelldiroll> 7200rpm ? size of cache ?
[19:23] <Ogi0n> 72000 RPM 32 Mb cache, 1 TB space
[19:25] <Ogi0n> its tihs one, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185   well i guess ill just go afk while it transfer, cuz my comp becomes slow when transfering files and I cant play games like cod. thnx guys
[19:30] <kvarley> How can I copy something as sudo but keep the permissions of the files I'm copying?
[19:30] <kvarley> Usually when I copy things as sudo it means no user who isn't sudo can access them
[19:30] <bioterror> chmod them
[19:31] <kvarley> bioterror: They will have different permissions though as they were created originally by samba users on a zentyal server
[19:31] <bioterror> zentyal :G
[19:31] <kvarley> bioterror: Is there no way to preserve permissions?
[19:31] <kvarley> bioterror: What's wrong with zentyal? lol
[19:33] <bioterror> http://forum.zentyal.org/index.php/topic,5259.msg21472.html :D
[19:34] <bioterror> I'm just too demanding ;)
[19:35] <kvarley> bioterror: I accept that the way it manages network ifaces is pretty weird
[19:36] <kvarley> bioterror: But for the most part it's alright, comes with some goodies configured already for you anyway
[19:36] <bioterror> it was rather okay, it was better than ipcop or ipfire
[19:36] <bioterror> but still, I decided to keep using pfSense
[19:38] <kvarley> This is irritating me somewhat, I can't access /home/samba/shares/InsertShareNameHere because of the permissions
[19:38] <kvarley> But I can't find a way to login as a user that does have the correct permissions :(
[19:38] <bioterror> su user
[19:38] <kvarley> That'll dump me in a su session though?
[19:39] <bioterror> or
[19:39] <bioterror> you can: sudo bash
[19:39] <kvarley> DOH
[19:39] <bioterror> and then: su user
[19:39] <kvarley> I got it
[19:39] <bioterror> with root su'ing to another user, you dont need his passwords
[19:39] <kvarley> For some reason doing smb://serverName/share didn't work
[19:39] <kvarley> But I did network:/// in pcmanfm and went to the server from there and it works
[19:40] <kvarley> bioterror: So doing su user will copy files with the permissions of the user specified and not su?
[19:43] <avelldiroll> kvarley: your are searching for "cp -p" p is for "preserve", (or just use "cp -a")
[19:44] <kvarley> avelldiroll: That'll work, thank you very much! You've saved me some time =D
[19:45] <avelldiroll> kvarley: another way  to do this would be to fine tune your permissions with a sgid on the directory, or using ACLs if you need them
[19:46] <kvarley> ACLs? I have seen that somewhere on the permissions page of the server backend.
[19:51] <avelldiroll>  kvarley | bioterror: What's wrong with zentyal? <-- like all web control panel, the only way to secure them is to know how to do everything without them
[19:55] <Darth_Tux> hi all, setting up l;ubuntu as an ssh server, how after it is set up do i connect from another computer?
[19:56] <bioterror> ssh user@computer
[19:56] <Darth_Tux> bioterror, and what goes where computer is ?
[19:57] <Darth_Tux> i guess that is more the question
[19:57] <bioterror> ssh user@hostname
[19:57] <bioterror> ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:57] <bioterror> !ssh | Darth_Tux
[19:57] <avelldiroll> Darth_Tux: ip fqdn or lan name if you have a local dns
[19:57] <bioterror> !sshd | Darth_Tux
[19:58] <bioterror> there you go
[22:32] <Ogi0n> hey guys, i made two accounts,  Admin  and Guest,  how do I make it so that Guest cannot access Admin home folder?
[22:33] <KM0201> Ogi0n: it shouldn't be able to.
[22:33] <KM0201> guest should get a permission error if he/she tries to browse to the Admin Home folder
[22:33] <Ogi0n> it did,  i log out log onto Guest, then went to home folder, go up one level, saw Admin folder and open it., and i can view and open the files of Admin folder
[22:34] <KM0201> hmm
[22:34] <KM0201> that shoudlnt be
[22:34] <KM0201> did you create a home partition?.. or you just using the default install? (/swap and /)
[22:34] <Ogi0n> what do you do to make it not accessible to other users?
[22:34] <Ogi0n> yea
[22:35] <KM0201> Ogi0n: it yeah what?.. thats a two part question
[22:35] <Ogi0n> just default with admin first and all that, now i create a new account called guest that is not admin
[22:35] <Ogi0n> i didnt careate home partition, just the default set up
[22:35] <KM0201> Ogi0n: i dunno, something screwy if the guest account can access the admin folder.
[22:36] <KM0201> unless for some reason, the permissions are being retained when you log out.
[22:36] <Ogi0n> hmm ill try that
[22:46] <Ogi0n> it didnt work when I restart my computer
[22:48] <Ogi0n> Anyone know how I can prevent non-admin user to access Admin home folder?
[23:08] <Ogi0n> ya I got it now, I had to go to Home folder and right click properties  set Permission of Admin to  Others: None
[23:10] <Ogi0n> it would've been nice if it was default
[23:10] <Ogi0n> good thing I use truecrypt, and i got my important files lock up
[23:32] <KM0201> it should have "been" that way by default... not sure why it wasn't.
[23:45] <phillw> KM0201: There is actually an opposite argument going on.... people who go 'ooh, I'll encrypt my home folder' then forget / lose the password. I, and others, do not think that is a really sensible option as there is exactly zero we can do to help them.... it's gone - tough...... these people are used to a 'hack' to bypass security, it is not there!
[23:46] <KM0201> but that wasn't the case here.... his issue didn't have anything to do w/ encryption


[17:45] <axolx> hi -- anyone experiencing connecitivty problems with ec2, us-east-1b?
[17:46] <erichammond> axolx: There have been recent issues: http://ec2status.notlong.com
[17:46] <axolx> erichammond: yes but those notes claim they have been fixed as of 1 hour ago.
[17:48] <erichammond> axolx: Yep, add your traceroutes to http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/thread.jspa?threadID=36409&tstart=0
[17:48] <erichammond> axolx: Note that availability zone names do not apply across accounts: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=alestic%20availability
[17:48] <erichammond> er, http://alestic.com/2009/07/ec2-availability-zones
[17:49] <axolx> erichammond: this: http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/thread.jspa?threadID=36409&tstart=0 is not loading either. oh my
[20:50] <smoser> wonder if anyone else has seen something similar to this
[20:51] <smoser> i started a c1.medium today rather than a c1.xlarge for a task that is highly bottlenecked on 'gunzip'
[20:51] <smoser> i had noticed that according to http://docs.amazonwebservices.com/AWSEC2/latest/DeveloperGuide/index.html?instance-types.html
[20:52] <smoser> the medium had 2x2.5 CPU Units and the xlarge had 8x2.5 CPU units
[20:52] <smoser> since gunzip is not threaded i figured medium would be the same
[20:52] <smoser> not at all
[20:52] <smoser> after maybe 20 minutes, i decided to start a xlarge and see how they compared.
[20:53] <smoser> the xlarge has made up the difference in gunzipped filesize in maybe 5 minutes.
[20:53] <smoser> what i'm getting at is that not all CPU Units are created equal :)
[20:53] <smoser> ymmv
[20:56] <soren> Interesting.
[20:56] <smoser> and note, that each system has 2 cpus at 100% utilization
[20:57] <smoser> so its not as if disk was bottlenecking the medium
[20:57] <smoser> neither shows any usage of swap
[21:13] <pfibiger> hey all, i'm rebundling an alestic ami using these instructions: http://alestic.com/2009/06/ec2-ami-bundle ...the original ami prints the ssh key fingerprint in the console, but my rebundled ami doesn't. i'm sure it's something simple i'm missing, does anyone know what step i'm missing?
[21:27]  * pfibiger realized what it is :P
[21:28] <erichammond> pfibiger: You can fix this by chmod +x /etc/init.d/ec2-ssh-host-key-gen before bundling, but make sure to chmod -x before rebooting.
[21:29] <erichammond> An upcoming release of the AMIs will default to regenerating ssh keys on rebundled AMIs since you are the fourth person to think it should work this way and nobody has defended my original choice.
[21:29] <pfibiger> erichammond: yeah, i just realized that a minute or two ago. thanks for the amis and the rebundling instructions :)
[21:31] <erichammond> You could also install the updated boot script which works the way you want: http://ec2ubuntu.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/etc/init.d/ec2-ssh-host-key-gen
[21:32] <erichammond> smoser: That CPU test does not match my expectations either.  Deserves further investigation for those of us who live in this environment.


[01:52] <hazmat> blr: no.. if you want to manually configure containers, you can use the manual provider
[01:53] <blr> hazmat: aware the correct thing to do is charm the other dependant service and set the IP with a relation, but the other service is super non-trivial to charm
[01:54] <blr> will have a look at the manual provider though, thanks
[10:15] <Muntaner> hi guys
[10:15] <Muntaner> how can I detach a public address (floating IP) to a juju service?
[10:24] <Muntaner> marcoceppi, I'm adapting my charm to load balancing. Have you got any suggestion? Can I simply follow the WordPress charm code?
[10:49] <Muntaner> frankban, I detached a floating IP to a Juju VM; but Juju GUI isn't updating (still diplays the floating ip)
[10:51] <frankban> Muntaner: where is the ip displayed in the GUI? how did you detach the floating ip?
[10:52] <Muntaner> frankban, I detached it via OpenStack Horizon dashboard. I still can see the old IP by clicking on the charm, clicking on the mysql/0 - ish on the left
[10:53] <frankban> Muntaner: do you see the old ip with juju status?
[10:54] <Muntaner> frankban, this can sound strange - I tried to do that with mysql and haproxy. On mysql charm the status does not show the old IP, while for haproxy I still see the old one
[10:55] <Muntaner> in the GUI, I see the old IP from both of them
[10:55] <Muntaner> frankban, juju does not have a mechanism to detach the IPs?
[11:01] <frankban> Muntaner: not sure about the how juju reacts to this kind of changes directly done by using horizon. Perhaps you can get help from someone more expert of openstack stuff. Since openstack environments have a use-floating-ip option, I guess you can run "juju environment set" to enable or disable floating ips, but never tryed
[11:01] <frankban> tried even
[11:08] <Muntaner> frankban, ty
[11:27] <bloodearnest> heya all. Am trying to write amulet test for apache, but it keeps using the wrong charm
[11:27] <bloodearnest> I do:
[11:27] <bloodearnest> d = amulet.Deployment(series='trusty')
[11:27] <bloodearnest> d.add('apache2')
[11:27] <bloodearnest> but I get the current cs version, not my local version on disk
[11:47] <Muntaner> marcoceppi, have you got a few minutes?
[11:53] <stub> bloodearnest: The second argument to d.add is the path to the charm, which avoids the problem
[11:55] <bloodearnest> stub, lovely, thanks
[12:46] <rbasak> frankban: what is juju-quickstart 2.0's compatibility with older versions of Juju, please?
[12:47] <frankban> rbasak: no changes from previous versions, so it supports juju >= 1.18.
[12:47] <rbasak> frankban: OK. Thanks!
[12:47] <frankban> rbasak: there is an open bug we are working on FYI and I we expect to release a 2.0.1 today or tomorrow.
[12:49] <rbasak> ack. I can work on the packaging anyway, since that'll presumably be a minor change I can pull in before upload.
[13:02] <frankban> rbasak: +1
[13:19] <skay> hi all, I haven't run bundletester before. I need help https://code.launchpad.net/~codersquid/charms/trusty/python-django/pip-extra-args/+merge/245785
[13:19] <skay> not urgently, but if you have a chance, please take a look and comment
[13:20] <skay> also, would it be possible to unpin bundletester's dep on bzr and make it >= ?
[14:09] <nicopace> hi whit, marcoceppi, asanjar, jcastro, arosales. A new week begins, and i return with my review requests :) This is a reminder: https://code.launchpad.net/~nicopace/+activereviews There are still 9 pending branches
[15:06] <Muntaner> good mornign guys
[15:18] <Muntaner> marcoceppi, toc toc
[15:31] <tvansteenburgh> skay: fwiw, i branched python-django/trunk and ran `bundletester -e amazon -l DEBUG -v` and all the tests passed (using latest bundletester from github)
[15:35] <skay> tvansteenburgh: thanks, I'll try that.
[16:00] <Muntaner> I am deploying a haproxy charm, and trying to connect to it, but nobody seems to happen
[17:34] <bloodearnest> stub, adding path as a second arg to add() doesn't seem to work for me - I still need to have JUJU_REPOSITORY set for it work
[17:37] <bdx> I have a few questions regarding charm configuration is there someone who might have an extra minute or two to advise me of a best practice?
[17:38] <bdx> jamespage: Could you have a look at this https://github.com/Ubuntu-Solutions-Engineering/openstack-installer/issues/456 ?
[17:40] <bdx> charmers: Can anyone give any insight here https://github.com/Ubuntu-Solutions-Engineering/openstack-installer/issues/456 ?
[17:57] <bdx> Any takers https://github.com/Ubuntu-Solutions-Engineering/openstack-installer/issues/456 ?
[18:05] <whit> anyone have any good ideas for the dockercon hackathon?
[18:05]  * whit means other than marcoceppi idea to go do something cool in lxc and then reveal it at the last moment
[18:44] <bdx> jamespage, charmers: If a charm, say cinder is deployed, and the configs os-admin-network, os-internal-network, and os-public-network are respectivly <IP_ADDRESS>/24, <IP_ADDRESS>/24 and <IP_ADDRESS>/24, must then the physical node that the cinder charm is deployed to be connected on all three seperate networks?
[19:28] <jorge> marcoceppi, can you link to your actions blog post?
[19:28] <marcoceppi> jorge: when I finish writing it
[19:28] <jorge> oh lol
[19:54] <jamespage> bdx, indeed it must be
[19:55] <jamespage> otherwise the charm will just fallback to private-address from juju
[20:09] <mchasal> marcoceppi, jorge I wonder if you could help with some project organization issues we're having. We've got a single project that is housing multiple charms. We've got a devel branch where we've been doing our work, but I'm having trouble figuring out how to handle publishing this to the charm store since they will be on different schedules. Can't just merge the whole devel branch with trunk as it will pull in charms that aren't ready.
[20:09] <mchasal> Here's the project page: https://launchpad.net/ibmcharms
[20:09] <jcastro> hi
[20:09] <mchasal> Any advice?
[20:10] <marcoceppi> soo/
[20:10] <marcoceppi> o/ *
[20:10] <jcastro> when you mean publishing to the charm store
[20:11] <jcastro> do you mean like just having everything in this lp project indexed on jujucharms.com?
[20:11] <mchasal> Yes, and, and so users can eventually just deploy from there.
[20:13] <mchasal> My understanding is that Launchpad will automatically find any charms pushed to a trunk branch.
[20:13] <jcastro> yeah
[20:13] <jcastro> you need to put /charms/ in the branch name though
[20:13] <mchasal> Ah, ok, not just in the path.
[20:13] <jcastro> so like I see in your branches you have like
[20:13] <jcastro> ~username/ibmcharms/kimchi
[20:14] <jcastro> you can push to ~username/ibmcharms/charms/trusty/kimchi for example
[20:14] <jcastro> mchasal, but that's just how it is now
[20:14] <jcastro> soon you can push to wherever you want, then just `juju publish`
[20:15] <mchasal> Yes, I understand those changes are coming.
[20:15]  * jcastro nods
[20:15] <mchasal> I think we're going to be pushing our first versions of these soon though, I'm guessing before publish is out there.
[20:15] <jcastro> yeah
[20:16] <jcastro> from there after you push I believe the threshold is 15 minutes for it to get listed
[20:17] <mchasal> Ok, that's no problem. I'm just trying to get this project structured in a sensible way, which I don't think I did the first time around.
[20:17] <mchasal> Trying to keep all the charms we're working on under this single umbrella.
[20:18] <mchasal> But it looks like a single devel branch was too much.
[20:18] <jcastro> yeah
[20:18] <jcastro> also remember you need a place for the bundles too
[20:22] <mchasal> I guess I'm still a little confused about the series, in your example above: "push ~username/ibmcharms/charms/trusty/kimchi" That's just going to go to whatever the development focus series is.
[20:24] <jcastro> series is just linked to the distro though
[20:24] <jcastro> wherever trunk development of the charm is can be anywhere
[20:25] <jcastro> let me try to find how the openstack charmers do it
[20:25] <mchasal> Hmm, maybe I'm mixing up my terminology.
[20:25] <jcastro> they have a nice setup for devel and then propagating that to release
[20:25] <mchasal> I was looking at their repos trying to understand this.
[20:25] <jcastro> you want one place to do devel, and you want one place that is stable right?
[20:26] <mchasal> right, I just don't want the automated process to pick stuff up before it's ready to be published. I was trying to encourage our members to push code regularly.
[20:27] <mchasal> So yes, trunk/stable and devel
[20:28] <jcastro> marcoceppi, do you have any insight into how the openstack guys do this?
[20:28] <jcastro> I am noticing milestones, etc. in launchpad for their charms
[20:29] <mchasal> Things like this confused me there too: "Merged branch lp:~hopem/charms/trusty/keystone/stable-precise-1423513"
[20:29] <mchasal> So the branch with trust in its name has stuff for Precise.
[20:29] <jcastro> hmm, I wonder if I can just ask them team to write up their whole workflow
[20:31] <mchasal> That might be a good thing.
[20:32] <jcastro> ok I'll go ahead and ask them to do so
[20:33] <mchasal> COol
[20:34] <jcastro> mchasal, aha!
[20:34] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/OpenStackCharms/
[20:34] <jcastro> looks like they did that already, see the "development flow" section
[20:34] <mchasal> You mean they didn't just write that now?
[20:35] <jcastro> heh
[20:35] <jcastro> I'll go ahead and post this to the list too
[20:36] <jcastro> I think I'll put this in best practices as well
[20:39] <mchasal> Thanks for the help, I'll have to try and digest this all now.
[20:39] <mchasal> It's still not clear to me where the trunk branch fits in.
[20:40] <jcastro> Yeah, the reason I posted to the list was that if you had questions you can respond, because james is in the uk and will hopefully answer it before you start your day tomorrow
[20:41] <mchasal> Ok, I'll keep an eye on it.
[23:38] <sebas5384> lazyPower: ping
[23:54] <lazyPower> sebas5384: pong
[23:54] <sebas5384> lazyPower: hey!
[23:55] <lazyPower> whats up?
[23:55] <sebas5384> we have a team here that are starting to using docker + ansible
[23:55] <sebas5384> and the discussion of juju vs docker came up
[23:56] <sebas5384> I understand the diference
[23:56] <lazyPower> two completely different, and somewhat complimentary technologies.
[23:56] <sebas5384> yeah I know
[23:56] <sebas5384> but
[23:57] <sebas5384> the thing that was concluded at the end of the discussion was that juju is more like if you need to install a docker cluster
[23:57] <sebas5384> to then
[23:57] <sebas5384> use docker
[23:57] <sebas5384> and orchestrate your containers with other tool like flannel (i don't know really)
[23:57] <lazyPower> sebas5384: flannel isn't an orchestration tool
[23:58] <sebas5384> hmmm what is then?
[23:58] <lazyPower> sebas5384: flannel is a software defined networking stack that compliments docker's networking bridge, so you can do L2 over L3 networking.
[23:58] <lazyPower> eg: cross host networking
[23:58] <sebas5384> hmmm get it
[23:58] <sebas5384> thanks for the explaining
[23:58] <lazyPower> sebas5384: the way i explain this to people who ask... (give me a minute to type this out)
[23:58] <sebas5384> ok
[23:58] <sebas5384> :)
[23:59] <sebas5384> till that, the issue here was like, why Juju doesn't use docker as a provider


[16:55] <droid-master> hi!
[16:56] <droid-master> ive got a question regarding samplers
[18:49] <ortiz_> HI
[18:51] <zequence> ortiz_: Hello
[18:51] <ortiz_> HOLA
[22:16] <droid-master> hello
[22:16]  * Kimryd runs


[14:50] <savvas> hey, any regional approval board members here? is ubuntu membership reviewed every year?
[14:51] <ScottK> If I remember correctly you just have to self renew.
[14:52] <savvas> thanks :)
[21:19] <touchdown95> ropeskippinggirl der weiße acer sieht einfach nicht gut aus
[21:20] <ropeskippinggirl> ach ja


[16:31] <chrisw2> dmsuperman: OpenGL support appeared in version 2.x
[16:31] <Twigathy> I get this just before it hangs: "udevd-work[1225]: error changing netif name eth0 to eth3: Device or resource busy"
[16:31] <dmsuperman> Hmm
[16:31] <dmsuperman> chrisw2: Would you say it's good enough to play a game with?
[16:33] <chrisw2> dmsuperman: Depends on the game.  That said, I've seen some games refuse to install or run on PCs that don't support virtualisation (they complain about a debugger being installed) but this is in no way related to 3D support
[16:33] <chrisw2> dmsuperman: OpenGL games will probably run better than Direct3D ones.
[16:35] <natewiebe13> still no luck with burning alpha 6, both with ultraiso for windows and brasero for ubuntu.. im using the i386 desktop cd
[16:36] <natewiebe13> would all of the bugs on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ be fixed for alpha 6?
[16:36] <thiebaude> i click on a floppy drive icon and nothing happens
[16:37] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis,  are you here?
[16:39] <Twigathy> mmmm....
[16:39] <Twigathy> anybody know about udev and where its rules live, specifically ones related to networking?
[16:40] <Twigathy> I need to disable the if renaming/mangling it does on boot...
[16:43] <chrisw2> Twigathy: Look in /etc/udev/rules.d if memory serves me correctly
[16:44] <Twigathy> ah, yep, you're right
[16:44] <Twigathy> ackkk.... different flavour of broken now!
[16:46] <chrisw2> Shouldn't fiddle ;)
[16:47] <Twigathy> chrisw2: well... I'm trying to work out what precisely has broken my NFS root setup so I can report a bug!
[16:47] <chrisw2> Logs not giving any clues?
[16:47] <Twigathy> I don't get logs, the boot fails before then
[16:48] <chrisw2> dmesg?
[16:48] <Twigathy> I don't get that far into boot, that's the problem ;)
[16:48] <chrisw2> Oh
[16:48] <Twigathy> udev messes with the interface names and the boot hangs
[16:49] <qcode> Will Ubuntu 9.10 come with KDE 4.3?
[16:49] <chrisw2> Maybe you need to look in etc/network/interfaces and check nothing's amiss there.
[16:50] <Twigathy> That's blank, other than lo :o
[16:50] <Twigathy> maybe if I add in the auto eth0 stuffs
[16:51] <chrisw2> It's worth a shot.
[16:51]  * Twigathy tries this :)
[16:51] <chrisw2> What killed it?
[16:51] <Twigathy> me
[16:51] <chrisw2> Oooohkay.
[16:51] <Twigathy> i think due to a different bug
[16:53] <chrisw2> Are you registered with ubuntuforums.org? Someone there might be able to help you better...
[16:54] <Twigathy> I ... might be >_<
[16:54] <Twigathy> Don't remember
[16:54] <Twigathy> trouble is it's such a hilariously low-impact bug because I bet there's next to nobody that uses NFS root c_c
[16:56] <Dr_Willis> !info kde
[16:56] <Spike1506> !info kde-desktop
[16:56] <Spike1506> must be kubuntu-desktop i believe
[16:57] <Dr_Willis> im not sure how well the package versions match up with the actual KDE versions
[16:57] <oldude67> now that is bull i am running it.
[16:57] <Dr_Willis> !info kubuntu-desktop
[16:57] <Dr_Willis> !info konqueror
[16:58] <Dr_Willis> so version 4:4.3.1  -  the 4.3.1 matches the KDE version?
[16:58] <Dr_Willis> Ive never understood the versioning # scheme
[16:59] <Twigathy> well, I can get back into my pre-update state ^_^
[16:59] <chrisw2> Ah well, shuttign up shop and heading home. Peace-out guys!
[16:59] <Twigathy> messy messy
[16:59] <Twigathy> o/
[17:02] <Cyberkilla> Yay
[17:02] <Cyberkilla> The xsplash is not ugly any more.
[17:02] <Cyberkilla> I wonder what they do with the GDM theme.
[17:04] <malnilion> Cyberkilla, yeah, it would be nice if it would sort of match the xsplash.
[17:04] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. If one plugs in a exteranal usb hard drive - NTFS filesystem.. Does it pop up an icon for you guys? its not doing it here.
[17:05] <Cyberkilla> : )
[17:05] <malnilion> Dr_Willis, I'm running netbook edition and it pops up here.
[17:05] <Dr_Willis> not sure if its a user setting or somthing else goofed.
[17:05] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. My new 1.5 gb Hd is only 1.36gb  :P
[17:06] <Cyberkilla> Dr_Willis: Sorry, I only have one external HDD and it's ext3.
[17:06] <graingert> Dr_Willis, prolly a permissions problem
[17:06] <Dr_Willis> cd Yea. this one is about to become ext3 :)
[17:06] <Cyberkilla> Oh, I hate the way they do that. The GB/GiB trick.
[17:06] <Dr_Willis> as long as they all use the same #'scheme i guess it dont matter.
[17:07] <Cyberkilla> Plus the space reserved by the "master file table".
[17:07] <Dr_Willis> I got 4TB of external USB drives now on this box.
[17:07] <Cyberkilla> Nice
[17:07] <Cyberkilla> I barely use any space.
[17:08] <Dr_Willis> Speaking of External USb.. saw some that had network ports.. Now Networking + samba - would that be faster or slower then a straight USB conection? Im not sure how the samba overhead would affect speeds.
[17:08] <Cyberkilla> That said, my 80GB external drive is almost full. I'm scared to delete anything, so I have copies of folders with very subtle changes to the files in each one.
[17:08] <Cyberkilla> Hmm.
[17:08] <Dr_Willis> Ive gone from Stacks of Floppies.. to Stacks of CD's to Stacks of DVD's to Stacks of USB hard Drives.
[17:09] <Cyberkilla> If you had a gigabit ethernet connection, what would that equate to? Without overhead compensating... 1,000Mb / 8 = 125MiB/s?
[17:09] <graingert> Dr_Willis, when will the cloud finally be viable!!
[17:09] <Cyberkilla> Is that right? 125MiB per second.
[17:09] <Dr_Willis> graingert:  im not even sure what all this buzzwords about 'cloud' actually mean... :)
[17:09] <Dr_Willis> Cyberkilla:  i never can get the #'s straight.
[17:09] <graingert> Dr_Willis, Cloud means some other bugger deals with it
[17:10] <Cyberkilla> Cloud is a novel idea, when you are referring to some technology out of star trek.
[17:10] <Dr_Willis> Cyberkilla:  so a hard drive itself would be the bottleneck - on a Gigibit Network  then?
[17:10] <graingert> Cyberkilla, like an automatic door or the Iphone
[17:10] <Cyberkilla> "Cloud" as it means now, is just a series of proprietary server clusters:P
[17:10] <Cyberkilla> lol
[17:10] <Cyberkilla> I mean, Memory Alpha/LCARS
[17:11] <graingert> Cyberkilla, or open servers they can cloud too you know
[17:11]  * Dr_Willis does know it takes a long time to fill up 1.5TB on usb, :)
[17:11] <Cyberkilla> I want a computer with KiloQuads of memory.
[17:11] <blackxored> as I stated before, I'm download karmic-a6 now, has anyone ran it on vmware server???
[17:12] <Cyberkilla> graingert: That's true, but the underlying technologies are proprietary, aren't they?
[17:12] <Cyberkilla> It's just a virtual machine, isn't it?
[17:12] <Cyberkilla> You stick the OS into a virtualised environment. I'm just pretending to know how these Cloud networks work.
[17:13] <Cyberkilla> They seem like overhead central to me though.
[17:13] <ActionParsnip> hey guys, i'm trying to map my super key to show my apps menu (start menu style) following this guide: http://www.brighthub.com/computing/linux/articles/43491.aspx
[17:13] <Cyberkilla> They can't possible be more cost effective or efficient than a cluster of dedicated servers.
[17:13] <Cyberkilla> It won't work, afaik.
[17:13] <ActionParsnip> I get to System → Preferences → Keyboard Shortcuts but I dont see Show the panel's main menu. under desktop
[17:13] <Cyberkilla> It is regarded like SHIFT/ALT/CTRL
[17:14] <Cyberkilla> It is a modifier Key in linux.
[17:14] <graingert> Cyberkilla, no eukaliptus?
[17:14] <Cyberkilla> So you can't assign WINKEY as a keybinding. Unless something has changed recently.
[17:14] <ActionParsnip> Cyberkilla: xev returns Super_L
[17:14] <Dr_Willis> whoa.. they did some work with the ntfs-3g stuff? I just mounted my extarnal ntfs (brand new) via fstab/hand and got the message
[17:14] <Dr_Willis> The disk contains an unclean file system (0, 1).
[17:14] <Dr_Willis> The file system wasn't safely closed on Windows. Fixing.
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> Thats a new feature now isent it. :)
[17:15] <graingert> Dr_Willis, Fixing it?
[17:15] <ActionParsnip> Cyberkilla: you are right. i cant assign it to anything
[17:15] <Cyberkilla> ActionParsnip: I am not 100%, but that is what I've been told. I tried it too. It's still work looking around, but it might be in vain.
[17:15] <graingert> Dr_Willis, that's dangerous
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> Yea.. not sure what it fixed. :) the drive is empty ntfs.
[17:15] <graingert> Dr_Willis, Does it work now?
[17:15] <Cyberkilla> Wow! It fixes now? That annoyed the heck out of me.
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> graingert:  it  just did it.. so  this may or may not become a potentially dangerous issue  when 9.10 comes out.
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> graingert:  its mounted. :)
[17:15] <graingert> lol
[17:15] <ActionParsnip> mod4+z turned up when i press win+z
[17:16] <Dr_Willis> It may of NOT been automounting it because of that 'needing fixed'
[17:16] <Dr_Willis> lets see if it mounts now,
[17:17] <Dr_Willis> Desktop still dident automount it. Odd
[17:18] <Dr_Willis> its automounting my other 2 external ntfs drives.
[17:18] <Dr_Willis> wonder if the funny label is causing the issue -> rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-09-18 12:17 Iomega\x20HDD -> ../../sdi1
[17:19] <Dr_Willis> i wonder what \x20 means.. ? space?
[17:19] <Cyberkilla> Iomega:O I had a ZIP drive.
[17:19] <Cyberkilla> That was some shortlived technology.
[17:19] <Dr_Willis> They are making a comeback.. personally i dont care for the company.. but this week it was their brand that was on sale.
[17:19] <NoelJB> is it known that dpkg and emacs are co-broken dependencies?
[17:20] <Dr_Willis> at least the HD is compact.. with a Metal Case. and seems to be quiet
[17:20] <Cyberkilla> I think Bluray will fail too.
[17:20] <Cyberkilla> The next thing will be really high capacity flash.
[17:21] <Cyberkilla> Solid state, with no moving parts.
[17:21] <Cyberkilla> That's the next evolutionary step to become mainstream.
[17:21] <Cyberkilla> It'll have to become more standardised though.
[17:21] <Cyberkilla> I mean, in the beginning there were hundreds of formats.. compactflash, memory stick, etc
[17:22] <Cyberkilla> But it looks like SD Card is becoming more dominant.
[17:22] <BluesKaj> there a 2TB SSdrive out , if you wanna shell out 5grand
[17:22] <genii-around> Cyberkilla: Our local video store already rents movies on USB stick that just plug into your cablebox/PVR
[17:22] <ActionParsnip> magnetic ram will be next
[17:22] <Cyberkilla> Magnetic RAM?:O
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> Ive still not seen   a type of sdd you can plug straight into an IDE port other then CF with the right adaptor
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> or do they have IDE->sd adaptors?
[17:23] <genii-around> Dr_Willis: Yes, they do
[17:23] <Cyberkilla> :O
[17:23] <ActionParsnip> Cyberkilla: storage on the motherboard, no slow controllers, system is always in ram as are all user files
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> someone was asking about USB -> ide (to make a silent booting system from a internal usb thimbdrive, only over the ide channel)
[17:23] <ActionParsnip> (if there is enough space)
[17:24] <Cyberkilla> So it's essentially non-volatile ram?
[17:24] <Cyberkilla> Nice
[17:24] <genii-around> Dr_Willis: for one: http://www.addonics.com/products/flash_memory_reader/adidesd.asp
[17:24] <Dr_Willis> genii-around:  cool. I could use one in some older machines i got. :)
[17:24] <BluesKaj> 2TB SSdrive http://www.techspot.com/news/36245-super-talent-to-ship-2tb-ssds-in-october.html
[17:24] <ActionParsnip> Cyberkilla: yes, people may have ssd harddrives but they still use 300Mbps SATA interfaces
[17:25] <ActionParsnip> slowwwww
[17:25] <Dr_Willis> I saw a 3.5 bay today that you could plug in SATA drives  into.   You could have  a stack of 1TB drives as cartriges.
[17:26] <Dr_Willis> genii-around:  oh cool. that thing does more then just SD cards also. :) thats a win!
[17:27] <Cyberkilla> I love how shifting 300,000,000 on/off patterns in a second is considered slow nowadays:P
[17:27] <genii-around> Dr_Willis: That place has all kinds of cool adapters.. SCSI-sata, etc
[17:27] <Dr_Willis> but i wonder why it has a 40 and 44 pin  conectors on it...
[17:27] <Cyberkilla> Talk about progress:P I wonder how fast these things will be in 2030
[17:28] <Dr_Willis> genii-around:  here we go.. a pci card you can put 4 CF cards in :)
[17:29] <Dr_Willis> Why are CF cards so commonly used for this? are they more relieable or somting?
[17:29] <wastrel> cf cards eh
[17:30] <wastrel> theyre faster i think than SD?
[17:30] <genii-around> Dr_Willis: On my home monster I have 10 1Tb drives set up in 2 bootable RAID 1 (4 drives there) and a RAID 5 with the rest, all using trayless system which go in the 5 1/4"   bays
[17:30] <Dr_Willis> Looking at that site.. the CF to 'whatever' adaptors outnumber  everything else
[17:31] <Dr_Willis> ive slowly replaced all my 'lots of drives' with a few TB sized drives. :)
[17:31] <mrmcq2u> is bluetooth working for anyone atm?
[17:31] <Cyberkilla> I've heard a few complaints about bluetooth on the karmic forums over the past couple of days.
[17:32] <Cyberkilla> But myself, I haven't tried bluetooth for weeks.
[17:32] <BluesKaj> genii-around, running a neighborhood server ?  :)
[17:33] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Our home network includes all the neighbours within wifi range and that particular box serves streaming media (movies, music, etc)
[17:34] <mrmcq2u> my adapter doesnt seem to be recognized anymore
[17:35] <BluesKaj> genii-around, sounds cool
[17:38] <mrmcq2u> is it working for anyone else
[17:38] <mrmcq2u> or is the bluetooth icon showing up in the taskbar
[17:40] <robin0800> mrmcq2u>is the service turned on
[17:42] <robin0800> mrmcq2u>also start from preferences and make sure show blutooth icon is checked
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> heh.. the gnome file manager says its going to take approx 7 hrs at 19.3 MB/sec to copy 520GB from one of my external usb hard drives.. to  the new one. :)
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> 19.3 MB/Sec - thats rather fast for a USB drive isent it?
[17:42] <Tekno> yup
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> I wonder if the #'s are lieing...
[17:44] <Tekno> USB 2.0 is 480Mb/s - half of that in one speed, makes 240Mb/s = 30MB/s... but theres overhead etc so 20MB/s is ok.
[17:44] <Dr_Willis> Im used to my USB flash drives.. those are MUCh slower. :)
[17:45] <Cyberkilla> USB3 was meant to be optical
[17:45] <Cyberkilla> But it isn't, is it?
[17:45] <Cyberkilla> Shame
[17:45] <Dr_Willis> ive not even seen  any usb3 things yet.
[17:45] <Dr_Willis> Whatever happened to that 'wireless usb' stuff that was supposed to be the next big thing.
[17:45] <Dr_Willis> Put your printer/mouse/whatever anywhere.
[17:46] <Cyberkilla> I think Bluetooth happened.
[17:46] <Cyberkilla> Wireless power is the next "big thing"
[17:46] <Cyberkilla> I can't see that catching on though.
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> bluetooth is the kind of thing that should be built in to every mb/laptop/whatever...
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> It cant add that much more to the cost of a mb.
[17:47] <Dr_Willis> Of course once ya start to use it.. you realize how slow it can be. :(
[17:47] <graingert> Cyberkilla, Bluetooh 3 is coming out
[17:47] <Cyberkilla> It's simply too wasteful and the health issues when you're converting 240VAC 13AMP into electromagnetic radiation can't be good.
[17:47] <graingert> Cyberkilla, it's basically bluetooth 2 that initiates 802.11
[17:47] <Cyberkilla> wow
[17:47] <graingert> Cyberkilla, no, it works through resonation
[17:48] <graingert> Cyberkilla, as in the radiation is inefectual unless you have a body with the specific arial ness
[17:48] <Cyberkilla> It operates on the same theory as radio, surely? You emit an electromagnetic field and coils induct electricity from it.
[17:48] <Cyberkilla> I see.
[17:49] <Cyberkilla> I is certainly very cool, but the fact is, they want a phone to be able to charge from it.
[17:49] <graingert> Cyberkilla, yeah but they fixed it "somehow"
[17:49] <Cyberkilla> If a phone has a large enough reciever, surely it will affect the body.
[17:49] <graingert> Cyberkilla, they yet to tell us how
[17:50] <Cyberkilla> Typical:)
[17:51] <graingert> Cyberkilla, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonant_energy_transfer
[17:51] <graingert> Cyberkilla, sounds like Cloud tech to me :-p
[17:51] <graingert> Cyberkilla, along with automatic doors and iphones ;-)
[17:51] <Dr_Willis> I think they got Wii Chargers that use that wirless-power stuff now..
[17:51] <graingert> Dr_Willis, no, they connect via metal contacts
[17:52] <Cyberkilla> I have a toothbrush that charges through induction.
[17:52] <Dr_Willis> graingert:  that how they work? :) ive just seen them in the stores.
[17:52] <graingert> Dr_Willis, 3 pins too, one for + one for ground and one for data?
[17:52] <Dr_Willis> ones i saw was some tablet you just lay the wii contorler down on.
[17:52] <graingert> Dr_Willis, dunno what they need on the third pin but hey
[17:52] <graingert> Dr_Willis, never seen them
[17:53] <Dr_Willis> Ive alwo heard of some of these game-controllers rechargers.. causing fires.. :)
[17:53]  * graingert becomes an afkan
[17:54] <David-T> uh... is there any replacement for /etc/init.d/udev refresh-devices ?
[17:55] <Dr_Willis> I dont even know what that does.. :)
[17:55] <Dr_Willis> but ive been seeing some udev messages at boot up.
[17:57] <David-T> well i've got some udev rules that i want to run whenever certain devices are attached, including at boot up, and it only seemed to work in jaunty if I poked a call to /etc/init.d/udev refresh-devices at a certain point in the boot sequence
[17:57] <David-T> unfortunately that option no longer exists....
[17:58] <Dr_Willis> Over my head. :) neat idea.. but that part of the OS has had some major changes I think.
[17:58] <Dr_Willis> From what ive been reading/skimming
[18:00] <David-T> yeah...
[18:00] <David-T> i just now have no idea what to do instead
[18:00] <David-T> although it was always an ugly hack anyway, i just stopped caring because it did what i wanted
[18:01] <Dr_Willis> :)
[18:02] <Dr_Willis> Plug and play stuff alwyas seems to be a bit ugly
[18:02] <Dr_Willis> I long for the good old says of my windowmaker and a little wmaker warf app that let me mount things via buttons.
[18:02] <Dr_Willis> heh.
[18:02] <David-T> heh
[18:02] <Dr_Willis> 'now was my flash drive sdb or sdg this time......'
[18:02] <Dr_Willis> oops! formated the wrong one!
[18:03] <Dr_Willis> Been there.. done that. :)
[18:04] <graingert> Dr_Willis, shame
[18:04] <David-T> hmm
[18:04] <mrmcq2u> so is bluetooth working for anyone?
[18:05]  * David-T just uses udevadm trigger which is essentially what udev refresh-devices did anyway
[18:07] <graingert> Cyberkilla|AFK, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiTricity
[18:19] <Hetor`> Hey, I have just installed Kubuntu netbook remix under VBox and I have a dumb question... how do I change the wallpaper? :s
[18:24] <dutchie>  /part
[18:26] <mrmcq2u> bluetooth working for anyone at all
[18:30] <MindVirus5> Hello. Can someone set bug 405227 to Critical?
[18:34] <ripps> I've been using gnome-do forever, so I never noticed until now that the alt+f2 panel-run-dialog is missing
[18:43] <MindVirus5> Nobody wants to/can change the bug importance?
[18:44] <Dr_Willis> That would have to be done through the bugtracker web site i imagine. Not from here.
[18:44] <genii-around> MindVirus5: Whichever packager(s) it got sent to decides
[18:45] <Wizzup> Hello, I am in need of some help. I am trying to update my system, but it always stops with this error:
[18:45] <Wizzup> http://wizzup.pastebin.com/d3f6bd99b
[18:46] <Wizzup> I can't find out a way to resolve these dependencies
[18:46] <Wizzup> figure*
[18:46] <MsMaco> genii-around: er...or any bugcontrol member can set it
[18:46] <genii-around> MsMaco: Ah, OK
[18:46] <DWonderly> Okay, im missing something here. I'm testing the liveCD of KDE Netbook with the plasma desktop. Somehow I'm stuck in a mode to move the widgets and the application toolbar on top. How do I lock everythign in place so that I can switch from Applications to Newspaper etc etc...
[18:47] <Wizzup> I have the issue as this person, it seems: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ffmpeg-extra/+bug/418785
[18:48] <Wizzup> Any ideas?
[18:53] <MsMaco> DWonderly: is there a cashew?
[18:53] <MsMaco> DWonderly: that usually is used for locking widgets.  see also: #kubuntu-netbook
[18:57] <bipolar> is anyone else getting a shared lib error when trying to run kmail after updating today?
[18:57] <bipolar> kmail: error while loading shared libraries: libindicate-qt.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[18:57] <bipolar> looks like libindicate was upgraded to so.1 and kmail is looking for the old lib.
[19:17] <soomon> hey there, just tried the new alpha of ubuntu, but when i ude the normal install cd it hangs directly before showing the login (i get the graphica loading screen for a while). so i tried the altzernate version. i can install and get to the login but when i log in the screen fhlashes one time and i am back at the login.. any ideas? got an ati card (4870). also tried failsafe. but there are 2 udev error messages at th eboot :S
[19:20] <soomon> any ideas?
[19:22] <wastrel> i recommend checking your xorg.conf file see what driver it thinks it's using.
[19:23] <soomon> i dont have one.. there is just none -.-
[19:23] <soomon> how do i create one? is there a tool for it?
[19:27] <soomon> or do i have to figure it out by hand and copy it into the system?
[19:30] <wastrel> hrm what does startx give you?
[19:30] <wastrel> also /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:30] <soomon> h.. good question.. it always startx . i couldn't even kill it :S
[19:30] <soomon> i will have a look at the log file thanks!
[19:32] <duffydack> cheesey banner
[19:33] <edoceo> I just tried to use today's update and now my X is dead :(  so is my network :(
[19:38] <genii-around> edoceo: Note that's why in part the channel topic reads:"Karmic is NOT RELEASED and may break your system"
[19:42] <robin0800> genii-around>and read the release notes for alpha 6
[19:43] <robin0800> perhaps read the release notes for alpha 6 could be added to the topic
[19:46] <edoceo> genii-around: Yea - I know *may break*, that's why I'm running it.  Also, why I'm asking here, not #ubuntu.
[19:46] <edoceo> So, has anyone seen this same breakage or is it needing a bug?
[19:49] <robin0800> edoceo have you tried startx
[19:49] <edoceo> yes, then it will run.  But I also have to manually start dhclient3 on eth0 and hal before x runs
[19:50] <edoceo> I've had this happen on two of my Karmic machines,
[19:56] <solarion> at least you can boot. :(
[20:02] <zniavre> !udev
[20:02] <zniavre> !boot
[20:03] <Laibsch> Hi
[20:04] <Laibsch> Anybody else experiencing issues with overheating and thermal control since the last two or three days?  My computer shut down a few times on its own now which it has never done previously.
[20:05] <Laibsch> bug 432670
[20:05] <swtaarrs> is there a way to restore the icons on my buttons in karmic?
[20:06] <zniavre> buttons or menus ?
[20:07] <swtaarrs> buttons, I got the menu icons back
[20:07] <swtaarrs> in the appearance prefs
[20:08] <Cynthia> Sigh, Totem is deadlocking so bad
[20:08] <zniavre> gconf-editor /desktop/gnome/interface/buttons_have_icons
[20:09] <Cyberkilla|AFK> zniavre: Totem is messed up for me too. The volume control is crazy and seeking is glitchy.
[20:09] <Cynthia> I started it, then closed it, and it deadlocked. I tried to play a mpeg4 file and got the plugin search, but this "did not provide all requested plugins". And now I have an mp3 file that is playing right now with a grey Totem
[20:09] <zniavre> that 's true even with streaming
[20:10] <swtaarrs> zniavre: thanks, that fix it. but...why did they change the default?
[20:11] <swtaarrs> s/fix/fixed/
[20:13] <zniavre> swtaarrs, http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentyseven/ReleaseNotes   gnome specification i guess
[20:14] <zniavre> General
[20:14] <zniavre>     * Menus and buttons don't show icons anymore by default.
[20:14] <swtaarrs> ugh
[20:14] <swtaarrs> ok so that doesn't surprise me, but then why have a checkbox for menu icons but not button icons?
[20:14] <swtaarrs> button icons are far more visible, and coming from a previous release it just looks broken
[20:16] <Cynthia> I don't even know where to start to report these deadlocks in Totem, because there seem to be so many for different reasons
[20:16] <ripps> the new software store is nice, but I miss the ratings from add/remove. I think it helped you when choosing what the choose, the only question I have has it where did it's ratings come from?
[20:16] <Cynthia> there's a visualisation deadlock, an audio read deadlock and a close deadlock now
[20:16] <ripps> I gave up on totem a long time ago. smplayer+mplayer all the way
[20:17] <Cynthia> ripps: the ratings come from the popularity-contest package
[20:17] <Cynthia> ripps: Software Sources / Statistics / [x] Submit statistical information
[20:18] <Awsoonn_> hi all, I just did updates last night and got hit by bug #432114
[20:19] <ripps> Cynthia: Ah, I didn't realize that was responsible. I wonder if they're going to integrate into software store as well
[20:19] <Awsoonn_> My system is unable to connect to the internet or show a graphical interface. The CLI doesn't scare me, the fact ifconfig shows no devices does. Help?
[20:20] <Cyberkilla|AFK> That was happening to me after resuming from hibernation (no network devices in /dev/). No eth or wifi.
[20:20] <Cyberkilla|AFK> I haven't tried it since yesterday. I'm hoping this wave of updates sorted it out:P
[20:21] <Awsoonn_> Cyberkilla|AFK: any idea how to manually activate eth0 and freinds?
[20:21] <kklimonda> does anyone know good replacement for handbrake?
[20:22] <Cyberkilla|AFK> Sorry, I don't know.
[20:22] <Cyberkilla|AFK> I never looked into it, because a reboot would fix it.
[20:22] <dmsuperman> kklimonda: ogmrip
[20:23]  * David-T raises an eyebrow as 'sync(1)' takes around 2 minutes to return
[20:23] <Awsoonn_> that's no fun. :)
[20:24] <rysiek|pl> yello
[20:24] <rysiek|pl> any KDE guys here?
[20:24] <rysiek|pl> or, for that matter, D-Bus-literate?
[20:25] <Awsoonn_> I'm seeing a pattern here with dbus....
[20:25] <rysiek|pl> d'h
[20:25] <Cyberkilla|AFK> Yes, it's mentioned a few times in the karmic forum.
[20:25] <rysiek|pl> *d'oh
[20:26] <rysiek|pl> anywhoo... there seems to be a "convention" that a dbus session is triggered for each host:user:display:screen combo
[20:26] <rysiek|pl> at least so I have heard
[20:26] <rysiek|pl> ut apparently this is not happening in Karmic, at least in Kubuntu Karmic
[20:26] <rysiek|pl> *but
[20:27] <rysiek|pl> anybody has a clue where to look to have a shot in fixing that?
[20:27]  * Crashbit se va a tomar mas garimbas!
[20:27] <kklimonda> dmsuperman: it doesn't seem I can actually re-encode files using it, can I?
[20:27] <Crashbit> sorry
[20:29] <dmsuperman> kklimonda: It doesn't do transcodes, as far as I can tell
[20:29] <dmsuperman> kklimonda: Just DVD rips
[20:29] <crdlb> rysiek|pl: there should be a session bus for each user session
[20:29] <crdlb> so separate screens would not have their own session bus
[20:30] <rysiek|pl> ok, thanks
[20:30] <dmsuperman> kklimonda: You know that transcodes are generally bad, right?
[20:30] <TLF> hello, this is not the channel, but can anyone help me with rsync?
[20:31] <wastrel> rsync -avz source<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:31] <TLF> wastrel: yeah, I know that
[20:31] <kklimonda> dmsuperman: yeah, I know - but that's not really a problem - I'm going to watch them on my G1 anyway
[20:31] <TLF> wastrel: but mine is a more complicated case
[20:31] <TLF> I'll explain
[20:31] <TLF> In my concrete case, I want to copy the whole contents of a $DIR to a $ANOTHERDIR, but in $ANOTHERDIR there are some files (which are not in $DIR), will rsync delete those files in $ANOTHERDIR?
[20:31] <TLF> this in local
[20:31] <dmsuperman> kklimonda: I see, well at any rate if you don't mind using command line applications ffmpeg is a fantastic tool
[20:32] <dmsuperman> kklimonda: vlc also does video transcoding with a variety of output options
[20:32] <wastrel> rsync never deletes unless you specify the delete flag
[20:32] <dmsuperman> TLF: Only if you use --delete
[20:32] <TLF> thank you very much to all
[20:32] <kklimonda> dmsuperman: frankly, too much digging though manuals and internet to get the right settings for ffmpeg. There is a nice profile for "iphone" in handbrake I can use for my G1 and in two clicks get video.
[20:33] <kklimonda> dmsuperman: anyway, svn version of handbreak seems to work so no problem.
[20:34] <dmsuperman> kklimonda: All depends on your needs, the ability to do something like "ffmpeg -i something.flac -ab 320k something.mp3" for instance is obviously much faster than digging through a GUI to select everything
[20:34] <Gletob> Hey what's the option to make the alternate cd install grub legacy?
[20:34] <dmsuperman> kklimonda: Glad to hear things worked out though :)
[20:35] <rysiek|pl> crdlb: plasma guys (aseigo for that matter) claims that there theorethically be a dbus session per screen...
[20:37] <kklimonda> dmsuperman: I need right aspect ration, transcode audio to aac and video to h.264 and pack them in the right container. sure, when I just have to transcode from flac to mp3 I can use ffmpeg (or even better banshee "detects" that my phone doesn't support flac and transcode them itself).
[20:39] <wastrel> so wait koala is releasing in october
[20:39] <crdlb> rysiek|pl: well, I'm pretty sure gnome at least doesn't do that
[20:39] <Gletob> No one knows what the option is?
[20:39] <wastrel> and then koala+1 is lts?
[20:39] <crdlb> but asking #dbus is a good idea :)
[20:40] <Gletob> To make the altenate cd install grub lagacy.
[20:41] <rysiek|pl> crdlb: I just did. it's being debated here, as it turns out: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17970
[20:41] <crdlb> rysiek|pl: I know :)
[20:42] <rysiek|pl> d'oh
[20:42] <rysiek|pl> crdlb: why didn't you tell me, then?.. -_-'
[20:43] <crdlb> I meant that I know you just asked in #dbus
[20:43] <natewiebe13> something is very wrong with the alpha 6 live cds for i386.. ive downloaded it twice and burned with 2 different programs  on two different operating systems and computers, and tested the cd on multiple computers and they all say "boot cd error" after choosing to either "try ubuntu without any changes to system" or "install ubuntu"
[20:45] <natewiebe13> it cant just be me.. anyone else experience this?
[20:45] <guntbert> how to resolve the following aptitude messages after update + safe-upgrade?
[20:45] <guntbert> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[20:45] <guntbert>   erlang-base-hipe: Conflicts: erlang-base but 1:13.b.1-dfsg-2 is installed.
[20:45] <guntbert>   erlang-base: Conflicts: erlang-base-hipe but 1:13.b.1-dfsg-2 is to be installed.
[20:45] <virtuald> Something IS very wrong indeed
[20:46] <guntbert> natewiebe13: did you check your isos with md5sum?
[20:46] <natewiebe13> guntbert: yes.. they checked out both times
[20:46] <guntbert> natewiebe13: I'll give it a try
[20:47] <rysiek|pl> crdlb: ah, sorry. I am jut trying to pin-point something, and plasma guys blame ubuntu's dbus usage; ubuntu says it's not an error and I'm a bit "touchy" after a few hours of trying to get simple info ;)
[20:47] <JEEBsv> Good evening. I was just safe-upgrading my karmic netbook remix setup and after the newest update batch with the dpkg update my system doesn't seem to want to boot. Any suggestions on fixing?
[20:48] <Beyondcr> how is every one today?
[20:48] <natewiebe13> guntbert: awesome.. im sick of burning cds.. ive been though 8 already
[20:48] <tormod> jarnos, can you switch to a VT when it is locked?
[20:48] <Beyondcr> hey jeebsv do you get to the splash screen
[20:49] <guntbert> natewiebe13: I have to wait till rsync finishes, then I will try to boot from that iso
[20:49] <Awsoonn_> JEEBsv: I am in the same boat: 432114
[20:49] <jarnos> tormod, I think so
[20:49] <Beyondcr> dose it keep flashing
[20:49] <JEEBsv> I don't think I'm getting the splash screen :D
[20:49] <Awsoonn_> ** I am in the same boat I think: Bug #432114
[20:49] <tormod> jarnos, please run "ps aux|grep saver" on the console to see what's running
[20:50] <SKB> are boot bugs fixed?
[20:51] <JEEBsv> Awsoonn_: what was the way of getting into a non-graphical console?
[20:51] <Beyondcr> well ever scine a4 i cant get into gnome ubuntu starts  up i get the login screen then it keeps flashing after i type in the login info
[20:51] <JEEBsv> I don't really see a GRUB screen but I guess if I keep pressing the needed button combo
[20:51] <JEEBsv> I'll get where I need to be :3
[20:51] <tormod> jarnos, the guys are right, the package should be "gnome-screensaver"
[20:51] <Awsoonn_> jeebsv I'm getting help in #ubuntu-bugs now
[20:52] <Beyondcr> i try ctrl and all the f keys and it wont let me into term anyideas
[20:52] <SKB> ctrl+alt+f1 to go to term
[20:53] <JEEBsv> ok, that doesn't work
[20:53] <Beyondcr> let me try real quick
[20:53] <JEEBsv> also, joined #ubuntu-bugs to see if I can see the upcoming text
[20:54] <jarnos> tormod, xscreensaver was used there anyway. I'll come back later
[20:57] <edoceo> Ok, I've got bug 431910
[20:57] <Beyondcr> where is the xorg config
[20:57] <natewiebe13> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:57] <edoceo> I've also got my /dev/shm and /dev/pts are missing, /dev is mounted from udev - how'd they go missing?
[20:58] <natewiebe13> guntbert: when do you think you will test it out?
[21:00] <Beyondcr> i dont have a xorg.conf file
[21:01]  * BlackFate away
[21:02] <nathan7> ...what a nice welcome, an annoying 'I\'m away' amsg.
[21:02] <guntbert> natewiebe13: I seem to have missed a few rsync sessions to keep my iso up to date, and my connection is having issues - so it may take more time than I hoped (I was disconnected just now again)
[21:02] <Beyondcr> i can get into xterm session but i cant get into gnome
[21:03] <Beyondcr> whats the command to start the network manager
[21:04] <Cynthia> Beyondcr: NetworkManager
[21:06] <Beyondcr> ty
[21:06] <Beyondcr> is there a command to fix xorg
[21:07] <jarnos> tormod, no such process visible there
[21:07] <BluesKaj> karmic to karmic networking sucks here, anyone got it working ?
[21:07] <tormod> jarnos, there is nothing matching "saver"?
[21:08] <tormod> BluesKaj, is that over ssh?
[21:10] <BluesKaj> Beyondcr, tormod no samba cuz we also have 2 windows pcs on the network
[21:11] <jarnos> tormod, no, actually it is not xscreensaver, but xlock
[21:11] <guntbert> natewiebe13: downloading the complete alpha6 iso seems faster than rsync - I should be able to boot it in about 20 minutes
[21:11] <BluesKaj> oops I mean samba cuz...
[21:11] <natewiebe13> guntbert: awesome.. thanks for the help
[21:12] <tormod> BluesKaj, but karmic to win is fast?
[21:12] <jarnos> tormod, which is used since neither xscreensaver nor gnome-screensaver daemon is present
[21:12] <tormod> jarnos, I didn
[21:12] <jarnos> tormod, ?
[21:12] <Beyondcr> Blueskaj whats that?
[21:13] <tormod> not know xlock is still existing :)
[21:13] <BluesKaj> karmic to windows works fine on our LAN , karmic to karmic see each other as workstns but can't access
[21:13] <jarnos> tormod, what would kill it?
[21:13] <Beyondcr> is there a way to force vesa???
[21:14] <zniavre> via xorg.conf no?
[21:14] <BluesKaj> Beyondcr, yeah uninstall all other video drivers
[21:14] <tormod> jarnos, xlock is something from the good old times, I am surprised you have it
[21:14] <tormod>  on your machine
[21:14] <guntbert> how to resolve the following aptitude messages after update + safe-upgrade? The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[21:14] <guntbert> erlang-base-hipe: Conflicts: erlang-base but 1:13.b.1-dfsg-2 is installed.
[21:14] <guntbert> erlang-base: Conflicts: erlang-base-hipe but 1:13.b.1-dfsg-2 is to be installed.
[21:15] <tormod> jarnos, can you locate xlock and run dpkg -S on it?
[21:15] <BUGabundo> boas
[21:15] <Beyondcr> well it would benice if i could startx ever scince alpha 4 it just blinks any ideas of what to check????
[21:15] <BUGabundo> is all thiis UDEV scaring warning on boot fixed?
[21:17] <jarnos> tormod, why? it is /usr/bin/xlock
[21:19] <tormod> jarnos, I would like to know the package name
[21:19] <jarnos> tormod,  I have installed xlockmore package which contains it.
[21:19] <tormod> why did you install it?
[21:20] <jarnos> tormod, you could have got the name by typing xlock, if you don't have the package installed.
[21:20] <tormod> I wanted to know where you got it from, I had no idea you had deliberately installed it
[21:21] <tormod> jarnos, so why are you complaining then? :P
[21:23] <jarnos> tormod, since it is called (via xflock4) before login.
[21:23] <Beyondcr> _XSERVTransSocketUNIXCreateListener: ...SocketCreateListner() failed
[21:23] <Beyondcr> when startx
[21:25] <tormod> jarnos, it is not installed by default, right. why do you install it?
[21:26] <tormod> Beyondcr, sounds like a permissions issue, check /tmp and /tmp/.X11-unix/
[21:26] <jarnos> tormod, it locks even if a screensaver daemon crashes.
[21:27] <tormod> jarnos, you don't trust xscreensaver or gnome-screensaver?
[21:27] <tormod> jarnos, is locks even if nobody is logged in :)
[21:28] <Beyondcr> tormod what am i looking for in tmp i only see 4 things one is orbit-root
[21:28] <tormod> Beyondcr, just check that you can create files in /tmp then look at /tmp/.X11-unix
[21:29] <Beyondcr> i dont have a /tmp/.x11-unix
[21:30] <tormod> Beyondcr, capital X
[21:30] <Beyondcr> yes nothing there
[21:30] <Beyondcr> i can create files
[21:30] <tormod> Beyondcr, you know that ls does not list dot-files unless you use -a ?
[21:31] <Beyondcr> ahh
[21:32] <tormod> I can recommend learning a bit unix if you want to use the development version
[21:34] <Beyondcr> ok i have a x0 yhe ain the .X11-unix i have a X0
[21:35] <tormod> ls -l should show srwxrwxrwx
[21:35] <Beyondcr> i also get _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: server already running
[21:36] <tormod> Beyondcr, after reboot?
[21:36] <Beyondcr> let me reboot
[21:36] <tormod> this is a plain install, right?
[21:36] <Beyondcr> but yes i think so
[21:37] <Beyondcr> when i let it go to boot up it gets to splash screen then just keeps reloading the splash loader
[21:38] <Beyondcr> and if i dont hit the ctrl alt f1 i cant get into term]
[21:38] <Beyondcr> quick enuf
[21:38] <guntbert> natewiebe13: my alpha 6 iso boots just fine (within a VM, that is), how far do you get?
[21:39] <natewiebe13> guntbert.. just as far as the screen to select language and to either run off of the cd or install
[21:39] <YDdraigGoch> Hey, I'm trying to install Alpha 6 but Ubiquity isn't picking up my windows partition, so it's wanting to partition off the whole harddrive to install ubuntu. Any ideas about how i can find out why it can't detect my windows partition?
[21:40] <Beyondcr> i can loginto xterm but not gnome....
[21:40] <tormod> Beyondcr, you can log in to "failsafe  xterm session"?
[21:40] <guntbert> natewiebe13: thats where I'm right now - what did you try to do? install?
[21:40] <natewiebe13> both
[21:41] <natewiebe13> i get an error.. i'll try it .. once sec
[21:41] <Beyondcr> yes
[21:41] <Beyondcr> ok i did so
[21:41] <mirza> hi, can anyone tell me if Kubuntu Karmic will have x based splash animation ? like ubuntu has in alpha 6 ?
[21:41] <Beyondcr> then went to the term and see
[21:41] <guntbert> natewiebe13: unknown key...?
[21:42] <Beyondcr> Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 Keygiving up.
[21:42] <Beyondcr> xinit: Resource temporarily unavailable (errno 11)
[21:42] <Beyondcr> and
[21:43] <Beyondcr> xinit: No such process (errno3) server error
[21:44] <tormod> Beyondcr, when you say "term" do you mean an xterm or a virtual console?
[21:44] <jarnos> tormod, xlock locks because xflock4 is called.
[21:44] <guntbert> natewiebe13: but after that my live session comes up just fine
[21:45] <Beyondcr> ok on splash i login to xterm gui then i hit ctrl alt f1 to getinto the console
[21:45] <natewiebe13> guntbert: i get "error reading boot cd" and top left i get a code: 8042009F
[21:46] <tormod> jarnos, if xlock is not part of a default install for good reasons, then I am not so concerned that it will break a few things if somebody absolutely wants to install it. file a bug against xlock.
[21:46] <Beyondcr> let me try to go into gnome then try to bring up the console
[21:47] <Beyondcr> hum when i was booting i got alot of cannot read errors....
[21:48] <Cynthia> Beyondcr: unhandled sense error?
[21:48] <Cynthia> I mean, unhandled sense code
[21:48] <tormod> "init :1 cannot read" just when it boots is kind of normal
[21:48] <Beyondcr> got to reboot to check
[21:49] <guntbert> natewiebe13: strange - I'd suspect your CD drive then as my installation also runs smoothly
[21:49] <Beyondcr> but i just started gnome got the startup sound then it kicked me back to login splash when i went to open console system crashed
[21:50] <guntbert> natewiebe13: just for a check though: care to paste the md5sum of your iso?
[21:50] <Beyondcr> where is the boot up log located
[21:52] <natewiebe13> guntbert: ive done an md5 check.. burned and tested on two different computers
[21:52] <natewiebe13> guntbert: would it have to do with burning at max speed maybe?
[21:52] <YDdraigGoch> Any known issues/workarounds with ubiquity not detecting any of the disk partitions?
[21:53] <natewiebe13> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[21:53] <natewiebe13> YDdraigGoch: ^ check there
[21:53] <guntbert> natewiebe13: ok - and did you check the disk for defects too?
[21:53] <natewiebe13> guntbert: from the ubuntu disk itself?
[21:53] <compintuit> My Sys is still borked; will alpha 6 fix it?
[21:53] <Beyondcr> mmc0 unknown controller error i cought taht
[21:54] <guntbert> natewiebe13: yes, from the menu
[21:55] <Beyondcr> what is the defult root password
[21:55] <natewiebe13> guntbert: gives me the same error
[21:55] <natewiebe13> guntbert: would burn speed have anything to do with it?
[21:56] <YDdraigGoch> natewiebe13, Thanks, What if my problem isn't there?
[21:56] <jarnos> tormod, it is also pointless to call xflock4 in the gdm login even if there was someone logged in.
[21:56] <natewiebe13> YDdraigGoch: then you're in the same boat as me.. i cant even get my live cd to boot up :(
[21:57] <YDdraigGoch> natewiebe13, =(
[21:58] <guntbert> natewiebe13: that could be possible, also it could be that the burner is slightly off the norm, what happens if you try to boot from the burner?
[21:59] <natewiebe13> same thing
[21:59] <tormod> jarnos, is xflock4 part of a default xubuntu install?
[21:59] <natewiebe13> one burner is brand new.. the other ive used for 6 months.. both burners burn other cds fine
[21:59] <jarnos> tormod, it is part of xfce4, thus yes.
[22:00] <jarnos> tormod, it is called by xfce4-power-manager in this case.
[22:01] <guntbert> against what package should I file a bug concerning the main menu of the live CD?
[22:01] <natewiebe13> guntbert: have you tried burning to a cd to see what happens?
[22:02] <guntbert> natewiebe13: no, I use isos with VMs almost exclusively
[22:02] <natewiebe13> okay..
[22:05] <natewiebe13> guntbert: itd be nice if somebody could confirm it though
[22:05] <CydeSwype> am i the only one that is in love with the new ubuntu app store?
[22:05] <CydeSwype> that thing is flippin' sweet!
[22:05] <natewiebe13> CydeSwype: 100% agree
[22:06] <Beyondcr> unknown key symlink
[22:06] <CydeSwype> like i want to uninstall everything and reinstall it again...it's that cool
[22:06] <natewiebe13> CydeSwype: i removed "add/remove" from the menu, i hope they do that for 9.10 final
[22:07] <guntbert> natewiebe13: in a VM the iso is treated and accessed like a "real" CD from the OS's point of view - so I see little reason to confirm by burning an unneeded CD :-)
[22:07] <CydeSwype> natewiebe13: definitely...we have enough options now between that and synaptic.  hope we start getting app thumbnails entered at some point...no screenshot for firefox?  really?
[22:08] <natewiebe13> guntbert: but i thought you didnt have an issue with the cd?
[22:08] <Beyondcr> ok well i messed it up
[22:09] <Beyondcr> lol
[22:09] <Beyondcr> now im trying to do a live boot and it keeps blinking the slash screen and playing the damn drums
[22:09] <Beyondcr> things are messed up
[22:10] <Beyondcr> lol i want to help becuse i want this problem to be fixed
[22:10] <Beyondcr> but i have to go to work so ill be back
[22:11] <guntbert> natewiebe13: ah that was a little different from your problem - when I select "check ..." it runs into "opening pipe: file not found" - that clearly something completely different :-)
[22:11] <natewiebe13> okay.. gotcha
[22:14] <guntbert> against what package should I file a bug concerning the main menu of the live CD?
[22:14] <BUGabundo> guntbert: what menu?
[22:14] <BUGabundo> the boot one, or the installer, inside X?
[22:17] <guntbert> BUGabundo: the boot one, the option "check..." leads (after several "unknown key...SYMLINK..." warnings) to a line stdin: error 0; opening pipe: No such file...
[22:17] <BUGabundo> ahh
[22:17] <BUGabundo> I get those too on my installed system
[22:18] <BUGabundo> I think its UDEV breakage
[22:18] <BUGabundo> try again tomorrow or so
[22:18] <BUGabundo> guntbert: ^^^^^
[22:18] <roffe> how do I install flash on 64-bit?
[22:18] <Dai> roffe: pretty sure you still need to get the tar.gz from adobe and install manually
[22:19] <guntbert> BUGabundo: yes the warnings seem to be udev related, but against what could I file the bug "no checking for errors possible"?
[22:19] <BUGabundo> roffe: either with the 32bits wrapper from archive (restrited extras) or following the labs.adobe.com instructions
[22:19] <roffe> Dai, ok, because I got the 32-bit one and it just said Wrong architecture.
[22:20] <roffe> BUGabundo, thanks, I'll try that
[22:20] <BUGabundo> guntbert: why nag devs about an bug they must already know about??
[22:20] <BUGabundo> just making paper work
[22:20] <BUGabundo> wait a day or two, if it still up there, file against
[22:20] <BUGabundo> ubiquity or something
[22:21] <BUGabundo> roffe: PLEASE avoid messing with your system
[22:21] <BUGabundo> keep the archive version unless you have a serious prob with it
[22:21] <BUGabundo> which then would need a bug report to fix it for other users too.
[22:22] <BUGabundo> if you *really* want the 64bits .so, just place it on your firefox plugin cache
[22:23] <roffe> BUGabundo, messing with my system is the only thing i do with my computer.. but it hangs up frequently on the other hand :)
[22:23] <guntbert> BUGabundo: you think thats a udev problem too? then it would make sense to wait - its no problem for me anyway - but I regard the reason behind alpha testing to find and report bugs :-)
[22:23] <BUGabundo> roffe: I wonder why :D
[22:24] <BUGabundo> guntbert: true, for unknonw/undiscovered ones
[22:24] <natewiebe13> http://paste.ubuntu.com/273789/ <---- i get this from brasero now
[22:25] <guntbert> BUGabundo: right you are! (and I suspected that the error in the "check ..." could go unnoticed a long way...)
[22:26] <BUGabundo> guntbert: check LP 1st
[22:26] <guntbert> BUGabundo: good advice, will do :-)
[22:26] <natewiebe13> still have non-bootable live cd
[22:26] <natewiebe13> very sad :(
[22:32] <SEJeff> Could anyone help me figure out why xorg refuses to install in an upgrade to Karmic?
[22:32] <SEJeff> The hal restart is failing and /etc/init.d/hal is a symline to upstart-job
[22:33] <SEJeff> And that breaks the upgrade
[22:33] <SEJeff> Because xorg tries to restart hal
[22:38] <Lars_G> Tell me
[22:38] <Lars_G> who here is familiar with the new xorg config mechanisms?
[22:38] <AirBende1> still with the problem Lars_G ?
[22:38] <Lars_G> There is a compiled version of the driver for my table 8that I was asking about yesterday Cynthia) it comes with a .fdi file
[22:39] <Lars_G> which makes the tablet work
[22:39] <Lars_G> I want to learn more on it
[22:39] <Lars_G> since the fdi doesnt seem to be installed in a centralized xorg readable place, unless a post install script links it, I am just curious about the system
[22:39] <Lars_G> to be able to tune and creare more fdi definition files
[22:39] <roffe> 64-bit flash works like a charm :)
[22:40] <Lars_G> roffe: It's incredible, considering the immense ammount of grief the (pardon the expression, it's my impression) adobe bafoon in charge of the flash build gave people one year ago about 64 bits
[22:41] <AirBende1> but eats a lot a CPU roffe
[22:41] <Cynthia> roffe: yes it does :) and Lars_G: I'm not familiar with the new xorg config at all, unfortunately
[22:41] <Lars_G> Cynthia: it's ok, I referenced you only becuase you were involved yesterdey, thanks anyhow
[22:41] <Cynthia> ah, I see
[22:41] <Lars_G> AirBende1: give me a second....
[22:43] <roffe> Well, I'm not a fan of flash at all, but installing it was just moving libflashplayer.so to the mozilla plugins folder.
[22:44] <roffe> It's still stealing all the memory, but I'm used to that in 32-bit as well :)
[22:44] <Lars_G> damn can't find the xkcd joke
[22:45] <AirBender> roffe: yes, that's true, but unfortunately flash abusive websites are really cpu intensive...
[22:45] <Lars_G> in part it's flash's fault, in part I think it's java syndrome
[22:45] <Lars_G> everyone thinks java is slow, when in fact they're judging it from many baddly written java programs
[22:45] <AirBender> roffe: indeed, my criticism goes to flash not to 64 bits version ;)
[22:46] <roffe> AirBender, to say the least. A site like aftonbladet.se kills my pc
[22:46] <Lars_G> A good example is idle, a paid for java ide. it's as powerfull as eclipse and netbeans, and twenty times slimr and faster
[22:47] <Rods_Tiger> I'm trying to start google-gadgets on karmic but it says it can't, it fails to load 'js-script-runtime'
[22:47] <Rods_Tiger> what should I do?
[22:50] <dsas> Does anyone know the rationale for disabling touchpad mouse clicks by default, even for upgrading users?
[22:59] <jarnos> dsas: you mean tap-to-click?
[23:00] <dsas> jarnos, yes
[23:00] <Misantropo> after installing alpha-6 under virtualbox it asks to restart, then it keeps changing the display's mode once and again. It never gets out of this cycle.
[23:01] <jarnos> dsas: good question. BTW have you tried touchfreeze?
[23:02] <dsas> jarnos, never heard of it
[23:02] <dsas> jarnos, It seems that two finger tap to middle click is broken too, not sure whether that is a bug or not yet though
[23:02] <dsas> jarnos, Just googled touchfreeze. Yes I have that turned on
[23:03] <jarnos> dsas: you can set up a delay that prevents tap-to-click while you are typing.
[23:04] <jarnos> dsas: what is turned on?
[23:04] <Misantropo> then, i powered of the virtual machine and restarted and it gives me the shell prompt, it doesn't start the gdm
[23:04] <vladanian> Rods_Tiger, same for me -- it looks like this ver is about 9 mo old, There's a newer one here: http://code.google.com/p/google-gadgets-for-linux/downloads/list
[23:04] <dsas> jarnos, Don't tap to click while typing
[23:04] <vladanian> unpackaged, though
[23:04] <jarnos> dsas: how did you set it up?
[23:05] <dsas> jarnos, system -> preferences -> mouse then use the touchpad tab
[23:05] <virtuald> Are you running KMS in that VirtualBox?
[23:10] <SKB> are the ubuntu boot problems fixed?
[23:10] <jarnos> dsas: I see.
[23:10] <Rods_Tiger> 9 months old?
[23:14] <BUGabundo> $ kmail error while loading shared libraries: libindicate-qt.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[23:14] <BUGabundo> pff
[23:14] <jarnos> dsas: can you see by "ps aux" command in command line which executable it is. I am using Xfce where there is not such by default.
[23:15] <dsas> jarnos, gnome-mouse-properties
[23:16] <jarnos> dsas: thanks
[23:16] <dsas> jarnos, It presumably just writes to xorg.conf
[23:17] <dsas> or something similar
[23:18] <dsas> Option "PalmDetect" true perhaps
[23:18] <dsas> the synaptics man page tells you just how configurable a touchpad is
[23:21] <dsas> jarnos, gpointing-device-settings has even more options
[23:21] <vladanian> Rods_Tiger, the project page says 10.5 came out in Jan 2009
[23:22] <vladanian> I guess that's 0.10.5
[23:25] <jarnos> dsas: what is gpointing-device-settings?
[23:26] <dsas> jarnos, another gui for trackpad settings, there's also gsynaptics
[23:26] <Rods_Tiger> that's odd - I've just installed ubuntu 9.10 - so the software on it is all quite old?
[23:26] <jarnos> dsas: oh, in Karmic
[23:26] <guntbert> !latest | Rods_Tiger
[23:26] <dsas> jarnos, right
[23:26] <Rods_Tiger> oh that's good then
[23:28] <vladanian> Rods_Tiger, it's going to be all over the map. There are thousands of apps in the repositories. I don't think the gadgets are a high priority. Someone can make their own updated package and host it from a PPA


[07:13] <tsdgeos> Saviq: do you have something in mind when you say "rethink" in https://trello.com/c/rMZ7bKDb/288-re-think-how-autopkgtest-runs-binary-tests ?
[07:14] <tsdgeos> if i had to do that task i'm not sure what i'd do
[08:06] <Saviq> tsdgeos, well, yeah, we'll discuss it during sprint planning later today
[08:06] <tsdgeos> oki
[08:07] <Saviq> tsdgeos, but a few options - linking them statically and/or packaging them instead of building multiple times (once during package builds - once during autopktest)
[09:21] <tsdgeos_> tsdgeos: die!
[13:12] <greyback> dednick: http://people.canonical.com/~gerboland/qmlscene.trace  - check out frame 2
[13:13] <greyback> dednick: I'll admit, it is rare
[13:13] <greyback> but perhaps there's a race
[13:14] <dednick> greyback: ok. i'll have to go through all the frames of mine :)
[13:19] <greyback> dednick: hmm, trying again, this time trace looks clean, but still driver gos ape
[13:19] <greyback> clean == surface size matches requsted viewport
[13:19] <dednick> greyback: yeah. mine are clean as well, but could indicate a problem area.
[13:32] <greyback> dednick: as we're possibly hitting a driver bug, this is a useful list: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/gpu/+/master/config/gpu_driver_bug_list_json.cc
[13:33] <greyback> dednick: but I do think we should get a Mir person investigating now, someone with better knowledge of android gpus and their quirks
[17:08] <MarcoA> quick question: is this the right channel for unity-related programming questions?
[17:16] <Saviq> MarcoA, for unity (the desktop environment), not the game engine
[17:17] <Saviq> MarcoA, but still, you might be better off on a mailing list, here's mostly focused on the new unity8 version
[17:17] <MarcoA> Saviq: sure, I didn't mean Unity3D game engine, but Unity WM/CM
[17:19] <MarcoA> I just wanted to know more if unity supported frame sync messages (_NET_WM_SYNC_REQUEST) since I'm experiencing delays during resizing an openGL window. Gnome has them as far as I've been told, but _NET_WM_SYNC_REQUEST isn't present in unity