[01:41] <PriceChild> *raises an eyebrow* at Edwards' latest planet post..
[01:48] <Vorian> hehe
[01:53] <jdong> PriceChild: come on, it's so that in case the wiki crashes, there's a backup copy of the release notes on Planet!
[01:53] <jdong> though he forgot to paste the Xubuntu Kubuntu and Fluxbuntu ones
[01:54] <PriceChild> I was talking more about the way he calls it a Release Client
[01:55] <PriceChild> and Suitable for testing by any user makes my stomach turn now I see that.
[01:56] <mc44> well, blame Canonical for that
[01:56] <mc44> I do like "complete" when there are still release targeted critical bugs :)
[02:18] <jrib> gnomefreak: I've only been testing so I go to a tty, kill metacity and then run tritium
[02:29] <tonyyarusso> teehee, I've succumbed
[02:29] <PriceChild> hmm?
[02:29] <stdin> PriceChild: ignore me :p
[02:30] <tonyyarusso> I upgraded my school drive to Gutsy with compiz goodies to play with during class
[02:30] <PriceChild> ahhh :)
[02:30] <PriceChild> stdin, hehe
[02:59] <wii> dont hate me because im beautifull :)
[03:07] <stdin> prat
[03:09] <mneptok> please don't insult prats like that
[03:41] <gnomefreak> i told him yesterday to come back in a week and we will se about unbanning him im seeing him everyday for the last few
[03:41] <stdin> well, you can probably guess my feeling towards him ;)
[03:42] <mneptok> gnomefreak: i already told him he would never be unbanned
[03:42] <gnomefreak> lmnworks for me
[03:42] <gnomefreak> mneptok: works for me
[03:42] <mneptok> gnomefreak: you're welcome to try. i'll just script somethinhg to add the ban back whenever it's removed. >;)
[03:42] <mneptok> (kidding)
[03:42] <gnomefreak> mneptok: we can get him added to autoban maybe
[03:43] <mneptok> i'd like to add him to the CIA's list of "Probable North Korean Foreign Operatives"
[03:43] <mneptok> can we do that yet?
[03:43] <gnomefreak> i have to go to hosppital in morning but if im awake and feeling up to it ill ask about the autoban
[03:44] <gnomefreak> ok Sleep for atleast 5 hours, night all
[03:44] <mneptok> *wave*
[03:44] <stdin> night
[04:17] <jdong> PriceChild: issued a ban of Cower for telling someone to rm -rf /etc and the guy did it.
[04:19] <PriceChild> k
[04:19] <jdong> PriceChild: theATOM looks to be trouble too....
[04:19] <PriceChild> watching
[04:30] <jrib> ...
[04:33] <mneptok> hm
[04:33] <mneptok> why isn't ubotu reporting the use of !ops ?
[04:34] <tritium> good question...
[04:39] <PriceChild> i think as it was just "op" used?
[04:46] <stdin> +1 is getting rowdy
[04:47] <Pici> getting?
[04:47] <stdin> rowdy(er)
[04:48] <Pici> stdin: I'm guessing your dont have ops in +1 either
[04:48] <Pici> s/your/you
[04:48] <stdin> nope
[04:48] <stdin> just on #k
[04:49] <Tm_T> hmmmh
[04:49] <Amaranth> didn't we ban wii from, well, everywhere?
[04:50] <Tm_T> yes
[04:50] <Tm_T> with k-line
[04:50] <wii> lol
[04:51] <Amaranth> He was klined?
[04:51] <Tm_T> yes
[04:51] <Amaranth> !staff
[04:51] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, BearPerson or ompaul!  You're the only one here with access
[05:04] <wii> and garfield and wii and newbi
[05:04] <wii> lol
[05:04] <wii> i'm sorry
[05:04] <wii> ok just tell me how much time i have left
[05:05] <Tm_T> no youre not, you have shown that well enough
[05:05] <wii> for the ubuntus
[05:05] <Amaranth> wii: Forever, you are not getting unbanned
[05:05] <jrib> wii: sideways 8
[05:05] <Tm_T> wii: if you ask from me, its several years to infinity
[05:05] <wii> evasion time then
[05:05] <Amaranth> kline time them
[05:05] <Pici>
[05:05] <stdin> evasion = network ban, go ahead
[05:05] <wii> Tm_T: i had never like u anyways
[05:06] <wii> >_<
[05:07] <wii> stdin: i got 3 internet conection in my house can u stop me?
[05:07] <wii> mneptok:
[05:07] <wii> mneptok: alor ca va mon pot?
[05:07] <wii> ca roule?
[05:07] <mneptok> toujours
[05:08] <wii> bon ben jyvai la
[05:08] <wii> bye bye
[05:08] <mneptok> a bientot.
[05:09] <mneptok> Pici: please do not duplicate the efforts of others
[05:09] <jdong> lol
[05:12] <mneptok> hgave *YOU* been cheese nachos?
[05:12] <mneptok> -g
[05:12] <mneptok> remember, we don't football sex bowling until you pizza.
[05:13] <jdong> grr you people makin me hungry.
[05:13] <mneptok> jdong: http://www.bestweekever.tv/2007/10/09/ad-wizards-the-manliest-most-honest-commercial-ever-made/
[05:17] <mneptok> rob: could something be done about removing "wii" from Freenode?
[05:17] <mneptok> he's now in -desktop
[05:17] <mneptok> he has openly stated he's going to avaid bans and k: g: attempts
[05:17] <rob> yeah, I think he actually is currently
[05:17] <mneptok> (does Freenode have a g:?)
[05:18] <rob> no, we have global k lines
[05:18] <mneptok> roit.
[05:18] <mneptok> 23:16 -!- wii<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit [K-lined]
[05:19] <mneptok> i felt a disturbance in The Force. as if suddenly, somehow, the aggregate IQ of this network took a sharp upturn.
[05:19] <rob> thanks, I try to keep it on the up.
[05:20] <jdong> mneptok: hah, like that'll last through release day ;-)
[05:21] <mneptok> heheheh
[05:53] <ubotu> MasterShrek called the ops in #ubuntu
[05:55] <rob> all good, just a paster
[06:06] <tonyyarusso> @now sydney
[06:06] <ubotu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: October 12 2007, 14:06:27 - Next meeting: Kernel Team in 4 days
[08:07] <Tm_T> hi elkbuntu
[08:07] <elkbuntu> hi
[08:08] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: what should I do when hobbsee is bullying me?
[08:08] <elkbuntu> my adsl needs to hurry the heck up... i broke my dialup networking by setting the router up :(
[08:08] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, bully her back :P
[08:08] <Tm_T> I wont
[08:09] <Tm_T> its not nice
[08:09] <Tm_T> 1738 <+Hobbsee> Tm_T: a moron
[08:09] <Tm_T> see?
[08:09] <elkbuntu> that one line?
[08:09] <Tm_T> yes
[08:09] <Tm_T> isnt that enough?!
[08:10] <jussi01> Tm_T: that isnt bullying.... you should have seen what happened when someon called her a jerk....
[08:10] <elkbuntu> i've seen you say similar stuff about other people and gary
[08:10] <Tm_T> well, maybe thats slightly out of context but still
[08:11] <elkbuntu> d'oh, gary isnt here to react :(
[08:11] <Tm_T> haha
[08:11] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: to be honest, I was just joking =)
[08:11] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: that was answer to 1738 <+Tm_T> who is this Aoirthoir guy anyway?
[08:11] <Tm_T> it was just perfect quote =)
[08:11] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, i knew you were joking :P
[08:12] <Tm_T> bah
[08:12] <elkbuntu> aoirthoir is a professional PITA
[08:12] <Tm_T> I notice =)
[08:12] <Tm_T> I just wonder where he pulls all his motivation
[08:12] <elkbuntu> a chemical imbalance in his brain
[08:13] <Tm_T> you mean drugs?
[08:13] <elkbuntu> no, something a little more permanant
[08:13] <elkbuntu> he's just plain messed up
[08:13] <Tm_T> ah, I see, perhaps we need to hit again with axe, you know, may fix it
[08:14] <elkbuntu> it won't cure him, but it'll certainly fix our problem
[08:16] <elkbuntu> so who's volunteering to wave a magic wand and un-break my network :-/
[08:17] <elkbuntu> didnt work :(
[08:17] <jussi01> d'oh!!
[08:17] <elkbuntu> i seriously dont know wtf happened
[08:17] <jussi01> what are the symptoms?
[08:17] <elkbuntu> jussi01, lack of computers seeing each other
[08:18] <elkbuntu> awww crap.. it's all windy out... i'm going to have another night of illegal arachnid migrants :(
[08:18] <jussi01> elkbuntu: ahhh... wel thats an issue... but they all connect to the net?
[08:18] <elkbuntu> jussi01, no, i'm irc'ing from windows :( :( :( :( :(
[08:18] <jussi01> elkbuntu: good luck with the arachnids... we got first snow of the year here...
[08:19] <jussi01> (today)
[08:19] <elkbuntu> jussi01, all i did was unplug 'puters from switch, plug into router, set up router, adsl didnt work, unplug from router, plug back into switch... no communication
[08:19] <jussi01> damn...
[08:19] <elkbuntu> (windows pc is sharing dialup conn with ubuntu laptop)
[08:20] <jussi01> ouch... dial up???
[08:20] <elkbuntu> so what i'm figuring is that the router has messed up the leases
[08:20] <elkbuntu> jussi01, waiting for dsl2... it will be like crack
[08:20] <jussi01> elkbuntu: Yeah, sounds like a horror story
[08:20] <elkbuntu> the connection sharing was working all fine ootb until i did this
[08:21] <elkbuntu> jussi01, i'm less than a k from the adsl2 exchange, around 450m in distance, about 800m cable
[08:21] <jussi01> elkbuntu: Im assuming have you have done a hard reset of the router?
[08:22] <elkbuntu> jussi01, sure, but the router is no longer a part of the equation
[08:22] <elkbuntu> and the dsl isnt due until late next week
[08:22] <jussi01> elkbuntu: oh... right... ummm
[08:23] <jussi01> elkbuntu: ok heres the thing.... go to neighbors... say: you have wireless! here is a $20 can I borrow for a week? :)
[08:23] <elkbuntu> jussi01, im suspecting it was/is legacy leases, the computers thinking they're on the dlink's 10.1.1.x dhpc leaces rather than the 192.168.0.x default dhcp leases
[08:23] <elkbuntu> jussi01, already done sniffing, no unsecured private wireless within range
[08:24] <jussi01> elkbuntu: ahh, that could make sense.   If I don't show up because you can't do your own job, nottamyproblem
[09:53] <Hobbsee> timfrost, people?
[11:58] (Amaranth/#ubuntu-ops) aww now we're being logged again :P
[12:16] <Madpilot> since when was this wretched hive of scum and villainy publicly logged?
[01:50] <ubotu> Pici called the ops in #ubuntu
[01:50] <ubotu> IdleOne called the ops in #ubuntu
[01:53] <Mez> Amaranth, just kick the bot
[01:53] <Amaranth> Mez: I don't have access :P
[01:54] <Mez> ah so you dont
[02:36] <nalioth> log bots?
[03:04] <nalioth> is it ~/.bash_login that performs things only one on startup ?
[03:15] <Hobbsee> hey Seveas, i've got a job for you
[04:04] <jdong> nalioth: bash_login and bash_profile is only sourced when bash is run with --login, either via a login prompt or some terminal emulators do start bash with --login.... so YMMV
[04:09] <Seeker`> would it make sense to have the gutsy release date in the topic of #ubuntu+1?
[04:10] <Pici> Probably.
[04:22] <Pici> Ooh, which ones?
[04:22] <Seeker`> jussi01: whats wrong?
[04:22] <jussi01> the internet provider ones...
[04:22] <jdong> jussi01: "Sir, you need to power cycle the modem"
[04:23] <jdong> jussi01: "I cannot click the green NEXT button until the system indicates you've rebooted your equipment"
[04:23] <jussi01> jdong: no, more like: I had 10/10 connection and the fuckers decided to make it 5/3... :(
[04:23] <Seeker`> :O why?
[04:23] <jussi01> Seeker`: little company got bought out by big crappy company...
[04:24] <jdong> jussi01: ow that blows
[04:24] <Seeker`> :(
[04:24] <Seeker`> woops, wrong way round
[04:25] <jdong> ;-)
[04:25] <jdong> until I find a gigabit jack
[04:26] <Seeker`> jdong: what do you actually do with that?
[04:27] <jdong> Seeker`: check my e-mail, download stuff....
[04:27] <jdong> what you do with it :)
[04:28] <Seeker`> i mean how can you utilize 100mb?
[04:28] <Seeker`> my connection is mostly idle
[04:28] <jdong> Seeker`: I do not... well very rarely
[04:28] <jdong> seeding Ubuntu torrents aside, I rarely max out my connection
[04:29] <Seeker`> heh
[04:29] <jdong> meh, university-provided connection; I won't complain
[04:30] <Seeker`> my uni has throttled connections to 10mb
[04:30] <jdong> aww
[04:30] <Seeker`> because people were saturating the network with p2p
[04:30] <jdong> apparently MIT has bought more bandwidth than like all the new england academic institutions combined
[04:31] <Pici> Thats because they are MIT
[05:26] <PriceChild> Locked my keys inside my room today grr :/
[05:34] <Seeker`> PriceChild: :(
[07:11] <nealmcb> OK, I was just bold and tried to clarify "public away" messages at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines   Please review....  Or I'll revert if that was too bold...
[07:12] <nealmcb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines?action=diff
[07:12] <PriceChild> *reads the first line of that page and growls quietly*
[07:13] <nealmcb> yeah - I have come to repent my sins
[07:14] <PriceChild> You've seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelinesProposed by aoirithoir (sp?) btw nealmcb?
[07:15] <nealmcb> I always took Ward Cunningham's advice about wikis ("be bold") to heart, but may have to learn new approaches here....
[07:15] <Pici> PriceChild: Whens the next IrcCouncil meeting?
[07:16] <PriceChild> Monday 17th September at 12 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting.
[07:16] <Pici> PriceChild: Yes, thats what the page says.
[07:16] <nealmcb> PriceChild: thanks for the link - interesting....
[07:16] <PriceChild> oh wait that says september
[07:16] <Pici> Yes.
[07:16] <PriceChild> sorry pici :)
[07:16] <Pici> Which is why I asked ;)
[07:16] <PriceChild> "tba" 8-)
[07:17] <PriceChild> *ping* Seveas nalioth LjL
[07:17] <Pici> I think some ideas for cleaning up our wiki pages should be discussed.
[07:17] <PriceChild> Of course.
[07:18] <nealmcb> so again, I'll revert if you like.  Of course I do think my change will help newbies and does not change the rules, just makes them clearer, but I respect your process...
[07:18] <Pici> imo, you should revert, but the decision is really up to PriceChild, since hes the only active Council member.
[07:18] <PriceChild> (I reverted it nealmcb ;) )
[07:18] <Pici> Nevermind then ;)
[07:18] <PriceChild> coreymon77, hello, can I help you?
[07:19] <nealmcb> OK.  I'll look at the proposed ones
[07:19] <PriceChild> nealmcb, I'm really not against changes to guidelines... but when they are active, and have been approved and are in place etc. random people just can't randomly change *the copy* to propose...
[07:22] <PriceChild> That page should stay as the current guidelines. Talk/propositions should go somewhere else, then put forward to the council at meetings etc.
[07:24] <pleia2> nealmcb: I know where to find you, I'll drop you a note when the next council meeting is scheduled :)
[07:24] <pleia2> FWIW, nealmcb has been doing some IRC documentation herding to help out newer users
[07:25] <Pici> Good :) We need that.
[07:25] <Pici> PriceChild: fyi, yoman is back in here.
[07:25] <Pici> I have a feeling its a logging bot, no particular reason though,.
[07:26] <PriceChild> yoman_80, can we help?
[07:51] <nealmcb> One other note.  I changed the page a minute or two before asking for feedback on it so it would be easier to ask for feedback - the diff mechanism is so nice.  And I did sort of think that was in keeping with the text: "Do not edit this page without discussing any changes with the Ubuntu IRC council who maintain this page."  You might want to add "first" before "discussing" to head off bold eager beavers like me.....
[07:52] <ompaul> nealmcb, so I presume you changed it back then
[07:52] <nealmcb> [or describe another easy way to give feedback] .
[07:52] <ompaul> you can put in comments with ## on each line
[07:52] <nealmcb> ompaul: PriceChild changed it back
[07:52] <ompaul> and then ask someone to review the "source"
[07:53] <ompaul> well they have to the CC agreed the guidelines
[07:53] <nealmcb> ompaul: interesting.  Perhaps that should be documented?  I think it would help.
[07:53] <nealmcb> I did just notice the conversation in there with # comments....
[07:55] <ompaul> heh
[07:55] <ompaul> someone who should leave it alone but won't you mean ...
[07:55] <ompaul> those comments should be ripped out
[07:55] <ompaul> PriceChild, ^^ care to fix that too . it is a bit of a distraction
[07:56] <nealmcb> I think an explicit link to a "discuss" page (like wikipedia does) would help.
[07:57] <nealmcb> and be better than the comment option....
[08:02] <ompaul> well there is actually the irc list which is the correct place when I think about it
[08:05] <nealmcb> ompaul: well, my sense is that asking folks to join a mailing list to suggest simple wording changes to a wiki page is ironic overkill :-)
[08:05] <ompaul> nealmcb, no, in some cases the page would be better if it was static
[08:05] <ompaul> and being on a wiki there is always a risk
[08:05] <ompaul> etc
[08:07] <nealmcb> I'm suggesting using a (new) wiki page for discussion.  moving the official policy off the wiki might also make sense, or using the admin restrictions that moinmoin offers.  The latter would also encourage us to figure out how to link launchpad teams and wiki permissions :-)
[08:17] <Pici> ompaul: I suggested sticking the proposed edits on the IrcCouncil Agenda.
[08:18] <ompaul> Pici, makes sense
[08:18] <Pici> Except the next date is TBD from what PriceChild tells me.
[08:46] <Pici> silent: How can we help you?
[08:47] <silent> oh, I'm just idling. registering my nick
[08:49] <Pici> righto
[08:50] <ompaul> Pici, get ready to shout about digdugz I have to go for dinner
[08:51] <Pici> hes already pm-ing me
[08:52] <Pici> And I dont have time to argue about whatever hes babbling about.
[09:34] <Pici> ompaul: I'm stepping afk, I personally dont think andeh needs any more warnings.
[09:35] <PriceChild> I'm not around for an hour or so sorry.
[09:35] <ompaul> I'm here
[09:38] <PriceChild> or maybe i am
[09:38] <PriceChild> *looks back*
[09:38] <PriceChild> There are comments on that page? thought they were gone. *looks*
[09:49] <PriceChild> ompaul, ^
[09:49] <ompaul> PriceChild, there were last night
[09:49] <PriceChild> ah ok
[09:49] <PriceChild> well all gone now :)
[09:49] <ompaul> :)
[09:52] <ubotu> nanonyme called the ops in #ubuntu
[09:53] <ubotu> silent[ca]  called the ops in #ubuntu
[09:53] <jussi01> what? this is fun...
[09:55] <Seveas> jussi01, what are you doing in here?
[09:56] <jussi01> Seveas: ??
[09:56] <Seveas> jussi01, this channel is for ops discussions, not for lurking
[09:57] <jussi01> Seveas: I understand. I am an op in #ubuntustudio . Even though it is not part of the IRC Councils thing, I was of the understanding i was welcome to "reside" in here.
[09:57] <Seveas> ah
[09:57] <Seveas> sorry for kicking then, didn't know
[09:58] <jussi01> Seveas: no probs :)
[09:58] <jussi01> Seveas: thank you :)
 is odd.... *watches*
[09:59] <nanonyme> hi, came in to talk about that recent attack on #ubuntu: it could easily be prevented if you had some bot with ops that changes nick every now and then and catches 'DCC received CTCP SEND with invalid parameters from _Resists' -> kickbans the user
[09:59] <nanonyme> or at least the effect would be lessened
[09:59] <silent[ca] > yes I also observed that attack
[09:59] <silent[ca] > was helping some one with dhcp
[10:00] <Seveas> nanonyme, no, that does not work
[10:00] <nanonyme> hmm?
[10:00] <Seveas> I got excess flood because I have a script that does that
[10:00] <PriceChild> nanonyme, anyone doing that attack on the network get k-lined... what's a channel ban *after they've exploited* going to help?
[10:00] <PriceChild> *gets
[10:01] <nanonyme> pricechild, if the bot has a name as one of the first in alphabet, it's likely that they'll ctcp send it first. if the violator is removed then, there's a chance he won't be able to finish the job
[10:02] <PriceChild> nanonyme, they ctcp the channel, not individuals.
[10:04] <LjL> exploit via ctcp *while* doing it in a way that makes the rest of us excess flood... nice.
[10:04] <nanonyme> i guess the only way to prevent it is another hack from freenode staff then. ah, too bad. i guess i'll continue on #freenode. thanks for the time
[10:04] <PriceChild> LjL, :)
[10:05] <LjL> nanonyme, the actual attack didn't cause many victims
[10:05] <nanonyme> or if anyone happens to know a channel to contact freenode devs?
[10:05] <LjL> what caused most is that people *replied* to the many ctcps, which caused excess floods
[10:05] <nanonyme> that is, a violation of irc rfc and removal of ctcp for channels should be fine
[10:06] <nanonyme> (or ctcp rfc or wherever the functionality is defined)
[10:07] <nanonyme> anyway, i'll try to find the proper channel. thanks
[10:07] <LjL> like +C but for channels
[10:07] <LjL> i guess that could be implemented, for symmetry if nothing else
[10:09] <PriceChild> *imagines that being set on users by default*
[10:19] <ubotu> In ubotu, diafic said: asshole is Princechild
[10:19] <PriceChild> *grins*
[10:19] <PriceChild> Will deal with it.
[10:22] <Seveas> PriceChild, they can't even spell properly :)
[10:23] <PriceChild> I think he /quit as soon as he realised what happenned :)
[10:23] <PriceChild> ah he's abck
[10:23] <PriceChild> hmmm i can't spell either ^
[10:24] <PriceChild> I "think" I have "PrinceChild" registered... :P
[10:35] <effie_jayx> people are really looney there :S
[10:37] <Stormx2> Hey folks. Check what Kreml said in
[10:37] <Stormx2> Uhg.
[10:37] <Stormx2> In #ubuntu. He's already left, but meh.
[10:37] <Stormx2> Don't know if you guys normally take action on that.
[10:46] <PriceChild> *looks*
[10:59] <PriceChild> ubuntuforums hit 400,000 users... are you all dying a little inside? :)
[11:01] <PriceChild> Which one?
[11:13] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: mozilla one i asked mike for months ago
[11:14] <mneptok> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wffwg7pA0t8
[11:18] <ompaul> mneptok, its been ububtued (kinda like /.ed)
[11:18] <ompaul> does not get much worse :)
[11:27] <ubotu> In ubotu, stdin said: purekde is <reply> If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE
[11:27] <stdin> ^ any comments?
[11:30] <PriceChild> !purekde
[11:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about purekde - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:31] <ubotu> In ubotu, ompaul said: purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE
[11:31] <ompaul> wow
[11:31] <ompaul> %btlogin
[11:32] <PriceChild> login not btlogin :)
[11:32] <ompaul> it works
[11:32] <ompaul> !purekde
[11:32] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE
[11:32] <jussi01> except you misse the last
[11:33] <ompaul> or did I ;-)
[11:33] <stdin> took me a while to find the right AltGr+(KEY) to get that
[11:33] <ompaul> ohh very well then
[11:33] <ompaul> !purekde
[11:33] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE
[11:34] <ompaul> happy ;-)
[11:34] <stdin> happy as larry :)
[11:34] <ompaul> I have my special mug
[11:34] <ompaul> The penguin of death mug
[11:34] <jussi01> :)
[11:35] <ompaul> \o/\o/\o/\o/ \o/ \o/\o/  <-- the answer to the penguin of death
[11:35] <ompaul> if you note it
[11:35] <ompaul> now there is a pun point fice
[11:35] <ompaul> s/fice/five even
[11:43] <PriceChild> Hey yoman_80, coreymon77, can I help?
[12:20] <PriceChild> nixternal, there was a wallops?
[12:20] <nixternal> yes
[12:20] <PriceChild> missed it :)
[12:20] <nixternal> 22:04:09 UTC
[12:21] <nixternal> hrmm
[12:21] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: us hubs are going down or went down
[12:21] <gnomefreak> including me
[12:21] <nixternal> that sucks, I am getting all of the damn chan notices now
[12:23] <PriceChild> Just noticed I have access in -motu... guess that was hobbsee :)
[12:26] <gnomefreak> yep it was
[12:26] <gnomefreak> she did that a week or so ago the morning after the crap with wii
[12:52] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, but why me? :/


[01:18] <jjesse> i'm getting weird power issues tonight at home as well
[01:19] <jjesse> wrong channel sorry
[11:27] <locodir-user> just updating those who helped me (though it is likely you dont care). I was able to reset my password by pushing shift while booting and getting a root terminal. passwd $username and it would let you reset it. This seems very insecure, any way to change that?
[11:30] <rick_h_> locodir-user: if they can do that, they have to have access to your machine. If they've got that access, then they can just pull the hard drive anyway so it's kind of a moot point
[11:30] <rick_h_> locodir-user: however, yes, you can set passwords on the computer on boot, and on the grub menu I believe, as well as doing things like encrypting your hard drive
[11:31] <rick_h_> but honestly, it's a bit much for a new user to go through so I'd not suggest it until you get used to things a bit more
[11:57] <brousch> so tired
[11:57] <brousch> the boy woke up at 3AM and thought it was morning. he went stomping around the house and then settled down to play with his computer
[11:57] <brousch> time to get him a clock
[12:03] <rick_h_> ugh
[12:09] <shakes808> good morning
[12:10] <rick_h_> party
[12:11] <shakes808> I just realized that I left my backpack at home :(
[12:12] <shakes808> Good thing there is a lot of time :D
[12:12] <brousch> use snap-l's
[12:13] <shakes808> HA HA
[12:13] <shakes808> It would give me a chance to try out a good computer ;)
[12:13] <shakes808> then again, almost anything is better than Dell
[12:16] <locodir-user> rick_h_: I would like to secure my computer from members of my family and while they wont take out a hard  drive of my laptop they will try to get the password that is why i as.
[12:16] <locodir-user> *ask
[12:17] <rick_h_> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/73703
[12:18] <rick_h_> locodir-user: lots of ways of disabling/locking down single user mode
[12:18] <rick_h_> but again, remember that it helped you get back into your machine. I don't know you family is going to be google'ing single user mode linux
[12:18] <rick_h_> but understand
[12:21] <locodir-user> true so you advise that i leave it until i am more familiar with linux?
[12:22] <rick_h_> I would personally
[12:23] <rick_h_> but it's up to you
[12:24] <locodir-user> well looking through that link it looks like editing files that i would have trouble finding (that is not how windows is) so i will leave it
[12:26] <locodir-user> thank you for all your help :)
[12:26] <rick_h_> locodir-user: no problem, welcome to linux/ubuntu and hope you find it useful
[13:06] <snap-l> Good morning
[13:12] <rick_h_> morning snap-l
[13:12] <shakes808> morning
[13:13] <shakes808> I know this is a Ubuntu chat, but...
[13:13] <shakes808> Has anyone heard about the new Windows Server?
[13:13] <rick_h_> I try hard not to
[13:13] <shakes808> lol
[13:14] <shakes808> Well I guess they are going to make the server look like Win 8 which is stupid because a PC shouldn't look like a phone and phone apps.
[13:14] <shakes808> IMO
[13:15] <snap-l> shakes808: I for one welcome Metro
[13:15] <snap-l> I think Microsoft Bob's time has come
[13:16] <shakes808> Metro?
[13:16] <shakes808> Microsoft Bob's?
[13:16] <shakes808> What are you talking about snap-l
[13:17] <brousch> metro is the win8 UI
[13:17] <brousch> microsoft bob was the greatest piece of software ever produced by MS
[13:17] <shakes808> Alright. Thank you brousch
[13:18] <shakes808> snap-l: Why do you like the phone UI for a PC idea?
[13:20] <brousch> a touchscreen interface on the server will save the cost and space required by a keyboard
[13:20] <brousch> this is valuable space that couple be used for more servers in the rack
[13:21] <shakes808> 1. A rack mounted computer takes up 1U
[13:21] <shakes808> 2. You can SSH into it
[13:21] <shakes808> 3. You can Serial into it
[13:21] <shakes808> The space saved isn't really an issue
[13:22] <brousch> the touchscreen interface will be preferred when you no longer have a desktop or laptop. you will remote in from your wintablet
[13:22] <shakes808> I know my knowledge of server happenings is limited, but I don't think that it would be beneficial to put a technical person on a dumbed down UI
[13:23] <brousch> ever tried using VNC on a tablet to access windows?
[13:23] <snap-l> http://m.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/05/google-schmidt-page-damages/
[13:23] <shakes808> nope
[13:23] <brousch> not fun
[13:23] <snap-l> But Judge Alsup wasn’t convinced. He told the court he had learned to code in Java for the trial — implying that he knew other languages as well — and he said that he had written some of the infringing code at least a hundred times since Oracle filed its suit in August 2010. “I can do it. You can do it. It’s so simple,” he said, adding that it takes less than five minutes. Then looked
[13:23] <snap-l> directly at Boies. “You’re one of the best lawyers in America — how can you make that argument?” he demanded.
[13:23] <snap-l> <3 <3 <3
[13:31] <shakes808> interesting
[13:32] <shakes808> brousch: like I mentioned, I haven't had that much experience but the experience I do have would tell me that I don't think I would like it.
[13:32] <shakes808> I will have my buddy set it up on his server and I will try it ;)
[13:33] <brousch> linux admins and windows admins think differently
[13:47] <rick_h_> gah, I'm going to kill someone
[13:48]  * brousch hopes rick_h_ is at the coffee shop today
[13:48] <rick_h_> I am...but heading home soon so I can turn tihs REST discussion into a google handout where it'll be harder to hide my cranky face
[13:49] <brousch> well kill someone before you leave
[13:52] <rick_h_> oh good grief this just gets worse and worse
[15:34] <jrwren> shakes808: windows server always follows desktop linux.
[15:34] <jrwren> 09:22  shakes80| I know my knowledge of server happenings is limited, but I don't think that it would be beneficial to put a technical person  on a dumbed down UI
[15:34] <jrwren> you've heard of microsoft windows, right? :)
[15:35] <shakes808> jrwren: lol yes
[15:36] <shakes808> If Win follows Linux, where is there a Linux that looks like that?
[15:36] <jrwren> it is by definition a dumbed down UI for technical people.
[15:36] <jrwren> jrwren: lol, that was a total brain mistake.
[15:36] <jrwren> shakes808: windows server always follows desktop windows.
[15:36] <shakes808> lol
[15:36] <jrwren> sorry.
[15:37] <shakes808> talking to your self again? lol
[15:38] <shakes808> As long as you don't answer back ;)
[15:41] <jrwren> you realize that metro is just a replacement for the start menu on desktop windows and server windows ?
[15:42] <jrwren> as soon as you run a desktop app e.g. server manager, it won't be metro.
[15:42] <jjesse> metro won't be on windows server will it?
[15:42] <jjesse> if so that is news to me
[15:43] <snap-l> jjesse: They're threatening to do it.
[15:43] <jjesse> really that seems odd
[15:43] <snap-l> jjesse: Not really. I think they're looking for interface parity across all of Windows
[15:43] <snap-l> which will be interesting
[15:44] <snap-l> reminds me a bit of the administration utilities on HP-UX
[15:45] <snap-l> Anything to make administration that much easier.
[15:45] <jjesse> a quick google shows that it might be possible to build a "control panel" w/ quick links to frequently used tools + build a "dashboard" to show stats etc
[15:47] <nixternal> http://main.diabetes.org/goto/nixternal - yeah buddy, I just spammed your channel. NOW DONATE! :)  <3  if snap-l helped last year, the rest of you can help this year!
[15:48] <jrwren> its simple.
[15:48] <brousch> nixternal: you just ride a bike and i pay you?
[15:48] <nixternal> you know it
[15:48] <jrwren> windows server and desktop have the same explorer.exe
[15:48] <jrwren> the start menu part of explorer.exe IS metro.
[15:48] <brousch> i'll need more than that
[15:48] <nixternal> i will ride naked
[15:48] <jrwren> server gets metro because tehre is no more start menu in desktop
[15:48] <brousch> can i opt out of the photo tier?
[15:48] <snap-l> nixternal: I will pay to keep you clothed.
[15:48] <nixternal> HAHAHAHA
[15:49] <nixternal> i just spit a lil coffee damnit
[15:49] <brousch> hopefully you are clothed now
[15:49] <nixternal> i mass emailed the people at my mom's company she retired from last year. they paid up big time, and i had a few rich friends pitch in, though most of my rich friends donated $5, and my broke friends did $25-$100
[15:50] <jjesse> jrwren, i think its just a registry entry/chagne to make it non-metro
[15:51] <brousch> nixternal: i think the donation would depend partly on whther diabetes affects you or your loved ones
[15:51] <snap-l> nixternal: When is it?
[15:55] <nixternal> damn brousch that was fast
[15:55] <nixternal> snap-l: 25 days from today
[15:55] <nixternal> i started my donation plea a little late this year
[15:55] <brousch> if i don't do it now i will forget
[15:55] <nixternal> yeah, i am the last one to donate, make sure i hit my goal
[15:56] <snap-l> nixternal: I've added it to my GTD lists. I'll get something in next paycheck.
[15:56] <nixternal> last year, wow, i set my goal at $150. i emailed my mom and in 5 minutes I raised my goal to $500. then i emailed one friend, and she emailed her friends & family, and I was up to $1,000
[15:57] <nixternal> snap-l: thanks duders
[15:57] <nixternal> haha, on my Fundraising Honor Roll, it is just "Ben Rousch" all by himself scrolling over & over :D
[16:00] <brousch> i feel lonely
[16:01] <brousch> now i wish i'd added a "personal message"
[16:02] <nixternal> I don't know if the personal message scrolls too. I can't remember.   Say I have text stings, internets and multiple images?
[16:59] <rick_h_> you don't want to put that into rabbit if you can help it
[16:59] <rick_h_> the best way to run rabbit is as a pure in memory, leave disk out of things
[16:59] <rick_h_> that means your data going into the queue has to fit into memory
[16:59] <rick_h_> and if the queue backs up...
[17:00] <rick_h_> so you want to store things you need into something like a database, and only put the record ids/etc you want into the rabbit queue itself
[17:01] <AaronThul> hmm I wanted to put everything my worker needs to do its work in the Q
[17:01] <rick_h_> you can, but it's generally not the best idea
[17:01] <AaronThul> I don't like the idea of giving workers access to the DBs and all the NFS shares
[17:01] <rick_h_> think of disaster recovery, resource usages, etc
[17:01] <AaronThul> also WAN over NFS has not worked for us in the past
[17:01] <rick_h_> hmmm, well then can you expose it via a simple service?
[17:02] <rick_h_> gotcha
[17:02] <rick_h_> well, depending on the sizes of the images/etc this can get messy
[17:03] <rick_h_> but basically normally your library helps you get data into rabbit, yuou'd have to basically hex encode the images as strings and decode them on the outside
[17:03] <AaronThul> hmm, that seems yucky
[17:03] <rick_h_> yea, well you're doing yucky things :P
[17:03] <AaronThul> that would be the technical term, yucky :-)
[17:11] <brousch> hah, awesome, apparently i've helped 2 people already http://clusterbleep.net/blog/2012/05/09/ubuntu-12-04-splash-screen-lockup-with-livecd/
[17:11] <rick_h_> woot
[17:16] <brousch> though i didn't expect it on an ibook G4 circa 2006? the machine i had it on was circa 2009
[17:16] <brousch> no, ibooks ended in 2005
[17:17] <brousch> so weird that the same chipset is in both
[17:25] <jrwren> anyone other than me sick of reading about ubuntu ackomplishments?
[17:25] <jrwren> I might actually unsubscribe from jono's blog
[17:26]  * rick_h_ whistles
[17:26] <rick_h_> the issue is that it's on his blog, planet ubuntu, and voices of canonical
[17:26] <rick_h_> I feel like its
[17:26] <rick_h_> it's a TPS report in triplicate
[17:27] <jrwren> i only read his blog.
[17:27] <jrwren> if there is one next time, it get the unsub :)
[18:09] <nixternal> what, you don't want to hear about getting a pat on the back for filing a bug report?
[18:10] <snap-l> I killed Kobo on my Android for it's annoying recommendations
[18:10] <snap-l> and getting a badge for starting a book is stupid
[18:10] <snap-l> (and yes, I think Ubuntu Accomplishments is misguided)
[18:10] <snap-l> and I still have planet Ubuntu on pause
[18:12] <nixternal> i feel that if people start contributing to ubuntu in order to get a trophy, they aren't doing it for the right reason
[18:12] <nixternal> i know it will happen, it always happens. when karma was introduced on LP, the same thing happened
[18:12] <nixternal> people started spamming bug reports just to raise their karma
[18:13] <nixternal> or someone who has never compiled the kernel themselves, would respond with some nonsense on a kernel bug
[18:13] <Milyardo> It comes down to the flawed expectation that you can summerize merit with a few statistics
[18:13] <nixternal> yup
[18:14] <nixternal> though, like other projects, i don't see this one lasting
[18:16] <snap-l> nixternal: That's it's only saving grace.
[18:17] <nixternal> something community related, that I feel is a bit more important, some sort of merger between the forums & askubuntu. get rid of the support forums and have it link to askubuntu instead
[18:17] <nixternal> help.ubuntu.com, askubuntu, ubuntuforums, local documentation. so much fragmentation & rewriting going on
[18:17] <snap-l> nixternal: Every time someone mentions getting rid of the forums, someone releases the flying forum monkeys and all hell breaks loose.
[18:18] <snap-l> Personally, if the forums disappeared tomorrow, I'd be happy
[18:18] <nixternal> they don't have to get rid of it totally, keep the discussions, but the support is nuts
[18:18] <snap-l> If NNTP replaced every web forum out there, I'd be happy.
[18:18] <nixternal> i haven't logged in to the forums in at least 2 years
[18:18] <snap-l> I asked them to delete my account
[18:18] <nixternal> i really enjoy askubuntu, even if i am not searching for support. i learn new shit damn near every day just scrolling through
[18:18] <snap-l> nixternal: ++
[18:19] <snap-l> What I love are the posts that don't get accepted as the answer, but have even better information
[18:20] <nixternal> has better juju info than juju.ubuntu.com :)
[18:23] <snap-l> http://www.metalinjection.net/around-the-interwebs/this-is-officially-the-worst-slayer-tattoo-i-have-ever-seen
[18:27] <shakes808> WOW... WOW
[18:28] <shakes808> I can see where that could have been decent ... and that is by not getting it in the first place
[18:30] <krondor> this forums versus other things debate must be universal across geekdom.  i3 mailing list erupts into this 'keep/drop the forums' debate twice a year at least.
[18:32] <brousch> ug, i hate forums
[18:39] <snap-l> They're internet cesspools
[18:40] <snap-l> The interfaces are terrible, every one requires a different account, and whomever decided animated signatures that take up half of a page needs to be dragged through a pile of razorblades by their testicles
[18:41] <brousch> seems a little bit harsh
[18:43] <brousch> snap-l: you should give a pygame talk at pyohio
[18:44] <snap-l> brousch: I'll consider it.
[18:44] <greg-g> and use your IRC language
[18:44] <brousch> make it so
[18:44] <brousch> irc language?
[18:45] <greg-g> his colorful IRC language
[18:45] <snap-l> greg-g: You're just jealous that you don't have a stash of razor blades to make it so
[18:45]  * greg-g shudders and kinda feels sick now
[18:47] <brousch> you feel sick because you do have a stash of razor blades?
[18:48]  * greg-g walks away
[18:54] <brousch> or is it because you know who created the monstrosity and he is a good friend of yours?
[19:03] <krondor> whenever I think of forums this song gets stuck in my head http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTLwiccIOxI
[19:04] <jrwren> +1 i'll never understand the popularity of web forums.
[19:06] <brousch> krondor: awesome
[19:16] <greg-g> did someone make the "oh my god why does the phone ROM community use forums for software releases?!?!?!! so #fail" comment yet?
[19:16] <greg-g> if not, consider it made
[19:18] <snap-l> greg-g: I'll never understand the whole "Here's our new (album|rom|book) and then present me with a megaupload or other filesharing site" mentality.
[19:19] <snap-l> seriously, you want me to do to a site that has rai4fuuKeelahj8b as the identifier?
[19:19] <snap-l> Talk about the lady or the tiger.
[19:21] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lady,_or_the_Tiger%3F
[19:26] <krondor> a lot of the phone devs have moved to goo.im for files if they're not on their own infrastructure.  Maybe megaupload takedown forced some of that.
[19:28] <snap-l> krondor: So they transferred the problem to someone else.
[19:29] <krondor> yep, which is a huge step up over the download parker ad fests they used before
[19:33] <greg-g> but still, using a forum topic to release software, with a thousand comments on it, is not helpful
[19:33] <greg-g> software development is a solved problem, all we're doing now is working on efficiency/prettiness. Use what we know, damnit.
[19:33] <brousch> especially when you have to start at the end of page 27 and work backwards to find out the newest tweak and issues
[19:33] <greg-g> s/software development/software development infrastructure/
[19:33] <snap-l> go, the Squeezebox folks do that as well
[19:40] <Milyardo> If you're legitmately doing open source phone development what's wrong with a github account or something similar, like I'd figure rom developers would need revision control and issue tracking right?
[19:42] <jrwren> alright pythonistas, how do you deal with reindenting when you add/remove a block?
[19:42] <jrwren> i just removed a try: and reformating that was a load of b.s.
[19:42] <Milyardo> g=GG
[19:43] <Milyardo> ^ hoppe that mage rick_h_  smile
[19:43] <Milyardo> *made
[19:44] <rick_h_> jrwren: v)<< perhaps?
[19:45] <jrwren> I'll try it.
[19:46] <rick_h_> jrwren: basically just using )} to quickly grab code blocks and << to deindent
[19:46] <jrwren> zomg RICH!!!!
[19:46] <rick_h_> rick
[19:46] <jrwren> rick_h_: ++
[19:48] <snap-l> He was saying that it made him RICH with excitement
[19:48] <snap-l> he would never ever make that mistake. ;)
[19:48] <snap-l> (blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall have to talk out of their asses more than once)
[19:48] <greg-g> lol
[19:49] <shakes808> snap-l: +1 lol
[19:50] <Blazeix> hm, bad sign: this api supports two formats: "JSON" and "REST"
[19:50] <krondor> Milyardo:  yeah, so a lot of phone roms are just minor tweaks on other roms done by one guy or so.. they don't invest in the infrastructure
[19:50] <Blazeix> even better, their endpoint is /service/rest/?method=foo, which will invoke the 'foo' operation.
[19:51] <krondor> when you look at larger roms they're doing things like github, or in the case of CM they run their own git and use gerrit I think
[19:51] <snap-l> Blazeix: I'm sure it supports all of the REST API calls, GET, POST, and OTHER
[19:51] <Blazeix> i think everything is GET, but i'm not sure, since the documentation doesn't specify :(
[19:51] <Blazeix> lol http verbs whats that
[19:54] <snap-l> Blazeix: maybe it can return XML too
[19:55] <snap-l> like the POS REST API at $lastjob
[20:00] <Blazeix> oh, it does return xml, don't worry
[20:01] <Blazeix> though i'm fine with that. it isn't ideal, but it also isn't blatantly wrong.
[20:01] <Blazeix> just means i need to use the xml parsing lib rather than the json parsing lib
[20:06] <_stink_> Blazeix: hah, our web team's "REST" api has a ?method=foo just like that.  i have chosen not to discuss this with them.
[20:06] <rick_h_> Blazeix: hah, so xmlrpc via query params ?
[20:06] <rick_h_> _stink_: ugh, I am all for peace in the REST world, wasted too many hours debating
[20:06] <rick_h_> but that is one thing that is most definitely not REST
[20:07] <_stink_> no kidding
[20:07] <Blazeix> yeah, i guess i'm lucky to have an API, but i'll still bitch in IRC about it :)
[20:07] <_stink_> then they wrote a php class as a client to call their own api.  so they don't even see the URIs.
[20:08] <rick_h_> hah
[21:00] <shakes808> see you soon, have a good one
[21:42] <jrwren> hahahaha https://ciaranm.wordpress.com/2009/11/15/this-week-in-python-stupidity-os-stat-os-utime-and-sub-second-timestamps/
[21:57] <jrwren> ok, python is starting to piss me off.
[21:57] <jrwren> open('dne') raises IOError
[21:57] <jrwren> os.stat('dne') raises OSError
[21:57] <jrwren> I thought python was supposed to be consistent?
[22:01] <rick_h_> well, you'll find that one thing in py3.3 (I think it is) is 'fixing the exception levels'
[22:01] <rick_h_> jrwren: ^^
[22:01] <rick_h_> jrwren: and they are doing different things
[22:02] <rick_h_> open is an IO op, stat not so much :P
[22:04] <rick_h_> jrwren: http://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/3.3.html#pep-3151-reworking-the-os-and-io-exception-hierarchy
[22:29] <shakes808> g'day
[22:49] <shakes808> test
[22:50] <shakes808> Was trying my rooted phone's tether. Didn't work :(
[22:54] <greg-g> so, on my non rooted LG Optimus V, all I did was install this crappy "10+ utilities for UR FONE!" app (it moves apps to the SD card that allow it, kills processes, etc)
[22:55] <greg-g> on the "save battery" tab, it has "turn on/off tethering" and when I tap it, it lets me turn on tethering through the standard Android setting for it, even though my stock rom won't let me get there from the normal settings menu
[22:55] <greg-g> nice little work around
[22:57] <shakes808> fun
[22:57] <shakes808> :D