[07:36] <tsdgeos> lol our approved branches to land is really piling up
[07:44] <Cimi> tsdgeos, you can test silo 17!
[07:54] <zbenjamin> Saviq: tell me that it has landed ;)
[07:54] <tsdgeos> Cimi: i centainly can, what needs testing?
[07:55] <Saviq> zbenjamin, you should check your branch's status ;)
[07:55] <Cimi> tsdgeos, seeing if they don't kill each other
[07:57] <tsdgeos> will give it a try, need to reflash the nexus4 first, it's a bit old-image atm
[08:05] <zbenjamin> Saviq: ok
[08:11] <Cimi> Saviq, pushed the comment in scope settings
[08:12] <Saviq> Cimi, tx
[08:13] <Saviq> zbenjamin, url-d unfrozen (we're in beta1 freeze)
[08:13] <zbenjamin> Saviq: ok
[08:16] <Saviq> Cimi, '110	+ pageHeaderLoader.item.resetSearch();' still wrong indent, you really don't want to fix that do you?
[08:19] <Saviq> Cimi, otherwise ACK
[08:21] <tsdgeos> is the scope overview broken on trunk?
[08:21] <tsdgeos> or did i just break it in my branch
[08:21] <tsdgeos> ?
[08:21]  * tsdgeos compiles
[08:22] <tsdgeos> few, just broken on my branch
[08:23] <tsdgeos> Wellark: limitedBandwith means basically 3G vs wifi, right?
[08:24] <tsdgeos> paulliu: can you have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/removeUnusedHasAttributes/+merge/232100 ?
[08:24] <tsdgeos> paulliu: no hurry
[08:24] <Cimi> Saviq, I can't work easily with inline diff
[08:24] <Cimi> Saviq, you miss things
[08:24] <Cimi> when you have such long diff
[08:25] <Saviq> Cimi, Ctrl+F, $reviewer_name
[08:25] <Saviq> Cimi, you actually fixed it already in a revision in the mean time, but then you reverted the fix
[08:25] <Cimi> Saviq, pushed
[08:25] <Cimi> Saviq, doesn't work if you use mail account
[08:26] <Saviq> Cimi, on launchpad, not in email
[08:26] <Cimi> Saviq, yup, I was using email
[08:26] <Saviq> Cimi, yeah, inline + email are totally bad, no comment history, no way to mark a few lines etc.
[08:27] <Cimi> Saviq, I will use lp next time - anyway, ficxed
[08:27] <Cimi> fixed
[08:27] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I think we should consider it a 1:1, but obviously that will probably be the case almost always
[08:27] <Saviq> Cimi, also, if you replied to inline comments, it'd be easier ;)
[08:28] <Saviq> Cimi, did you file a bug on ItemSelector that you can't control foreground color?
[08:29] <Cimi> Saviq, I think you can if you redo the delegate
[08:29] <Saviq> Cimi, it's not just about the delegate, it's the label too
[08:29] <Saviq> Cimi, is it not?
[08:30] <Saviq> Cimi, but anyway, it shouldn't be needed to redo the delegate just to change colours
[08:31] <tsdgeos> Saviq: uhhhm?=
[08:31] <tsdgeos> ¿?
[08:31] <tsdgeos> didn't get that sentence :D
[08:31] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I mean that we should not assume that it's 3G vs. WiFi
[08:32] <Saviq> tsdgeos, but most often that's what it's going to be
[08:32] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ok
[08:37] <Wellark> tsdgeos: pertty much yes
[08:37] <Saviq> tsdgeos, btw noticed recently that you can get to overview from a tmp scope preview, we should have a look
[08:39] <tsdgeos> Saviq: :/
[08:39] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i'll quick prepare a branch
[08:40] <Saviq> tsdgeos, btw, just got https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/file/d/0B32jwBcbaPlobF9fc1JXN2ExcUk/edit
[08:40] <Saviq> tsdgeos, but have no idea how that could be our fault...
[08:40] <tsdgeos> lol
[08:41] <tsdgeos> that's weird
[08:41] <tsdgeos> is that a recent image
[08:41] <Saviq> tsdgeos, happened when going to and back from store
[08:41] <tsdgeos> ?
[08:41] <Saviq> tsdgeos, just flashed
[08:41] <Saviq> tsdgeos, resolves itself after I scroll up a bit
[08:41] <tsdgeos> :/
[08:41] <Saviq> tsdgeos, but TBH I'm not even sure why the view scrolls at all when going to store and back
[08:42] <Saviq> tsdgeos, might be some of our reset logic
[08:42] <Saviq> which we should get rid of
[08:45] <tsdgeos> yeah...
[09:01] <Saviq> Cimi, ACK, your turn
[09:04] <Saviq> tsdgeos, we can't *fix* QIcon without amending the spec
[09:04] <tsdgeos> Saviq: well, he's doing lots of stuff other than cater for non square icons
[09:04] <Saviq> tsdgeos, larsu's implementation makes assumption about "size" that the spec does not allow
[09:05] <tsdgeos> but ok
[09:05] <Saviq> tsdgeos, sure, the breadth-first thing could be fixed in QIcon, but we still couldn't use ti
[09:05] <Saviq> it
[09:06] <tsdgeos> it's not even using QICon::themeSearchPaths()
[09:06] <tsdgeos> but i guess once decided you want to go full custom is not that it matters at all
[09:15] <larsu> tsdgeos: themeSearchPaths() == XDG_DATA_DIRS, no?
[09:15] <larsu> ah, I guess you can add custom directories
[09:16] <larsu> I don't know how that would ever be useful, but I can change it if we need it
[09:16] <tsdgeos> larsu: and you probably  want to use qgetenv
[09:18] <larsu> oh interesting. What does it do?
[09:18] <larsu> ah, returns a byte array instead of a char*
[09:18] <larsu> fair enough
[09:22] <larsu> the branch also fixes bug #1349769 (but that could also be fixed upstream obviously)
[09:59] <Saviq> Cimi, you there?
[10:01] <Cimi> Saviq, yup
[10:01] <Cimi> Saviq, I am re-reviewing alt nav
[10:01] <Cimi> Saviq, tested on phone seems fine
[10:01] <Cimi> I used silo 017
[10:03] <Cimi> Saviq, shall we set sourcesize for navigation shadow image
[10:03] <Cimi> ?
[10:03] <Saviq> Cimi, why?
[10:03] <Saviq> Cimi, we own that asset
[10:03] <Saviq> Cimi, it will be scaled according to the @
[10:04] <Cimi> ok
[10:10] <Cimi> Saviq, when you set color with "color:///f5f5f5" do we need the # or not?
[10:11] <Cimi> it's a new notation to me
[10:11] <Cimi> I think we need the # here
[10:14] <Saviq> Cimi, we do
[10:14] <Cimi> Saviq, so add it :)
[10:14] <Saviq> Cimi, where?
[10:15] <Cimi> Saviq, DashNavigation.qml
[10:15] <Saviq> Cimi, found
[10:15] <Saviq> Cimi, pushed
[10:16] <Saviq> push*ing*
[10:16] <Saviq> oh LP died
[10:16] <Cimi> Saviq, another issue
[10:17] <Cimi> the list under the navigation list need elide
[10:17] <Cimi> with amazon you can see super long text
[10:18] <Cimi> *under the navigation buttons
[10:20] <Cimi> Saviq, http://imgur.com/5TVV12Q.png
[10:20] <Saviq> Cimi, italians!
[10:21] <Saviq> Cimi, lemme
[10:21] <Saviq> LP is busted damn
[10:21] <tsdgeos> yep
[10:21] <Cimi> Saviq, guess what it could be in german then :D
[10:21] <tsdgeos> i can't push eitehr
[10:22] <Cimi> Saviq, another issue
[10:22] <Cimi> Saviq, from that menu, try scrolling up touching the area greyed out
[10:22] <Cimi> it jumps few pixels then you see the shadow stopping
[10:23] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i could push now
[10:24] <Cimi> Saviq, http://s14.postimg.org/yq85b5167/amazon_scroll.png
[10:26] <Saviq> Cimi, huh, that should've been fixed
[10:26] <Cimi> Saviq, I am testing silo of midnight last night
[10:26] <Cimi> Saviq, did you fix overnight?
[10:26] <Saviq> Cimi, no I mean it should've been fixed way back
[10:26] <Cimi> it is not here, try
[10:27] <Cimi> unless something got messed up with today image update
[10:27] <Saviq> Cimi, what did you drag by?
[10:27] <Cimi> Saviq, I can drag from the shadow
[10:27] <Saviq> Cimi, ah
[10:27] <Cimi> Saviq, in any scope
[10:28] <Saviq> Cimi, ok, again not a bug with my branch but will fix
[10:30] <Saviq> Cimi, fixed
[10:30] <Cimi> Saviq, how did u fix it?
[10:30] <Cimi> Saviq, blocking inputs?
[10:31] <Cimi> I was wondering what we want to do in this case
[10:31] <Cimi> if allowing scroll or not
[10:33] <Saviq> Cimi, close list on touch
[10:33] <Saviq> Cimi, we had onClicked, changed to onPressed
[10:41] <anpok_> is there a package with debug symbols for qtquick?
[10:41] <greyback> anpok_: qtdeclarative5-dbg
[10:43] <anpok_> thx
[10:48] <tsdgeos> Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/dashOverviewFromTempScopePreview/+merge/232378
[10:49] <Saviq> tsdgeos, tx
[10:51] <Saviq> aand LP down again
[11:02] <Saviq> Cimi, btw, you can try the alt nav out on desktop no problem
[11:03] <Saviq> Cimi, everything needed is already deployed / in distro
[11:03] <Cimi> Saviq, ok
[11:04] <Cimi> Saviq, still I can't pull bzr
[11:04] <Cimi> Saviq, but I suppose the branch is fine
[11:04] <Cimi> cannot see more bugs atm
[11:05] <Cimi> and we want this in
[11:05] <Saviq> Cimi, yeah, would be good, is the last branch blocking silo 17
[11:05] <Saviq> Cimi, but yeah, we need LP to work, can't build without that anyway
[11:05] <Cimi> ok so I'll approve after lunch
[11:06] <anpok_> hm qt quick destroys the egl context when not exposed?
[11:07] <greyback> anpok_: if told it is hidden, yes. But we're not doing that, we just tell it it is occluded
[11:07] <greyback> so it holds onto the egl context, but stops rendering
[11:08] <anpok_> there seems to be another bug in mesa.. on unity8 dash startup it receives an expose event and goes to handleExposure(isEx=false..) and that asserts in the OpenGLContext destructor on eglDestroyContext(..)==true
[11:09] <anpok_> ah so it shouldnt destroy that context?
[11:09] <anpok_> ok then maybe the failure is earlier
[11:13] <greyback> anpok_: this is on startup? In that case, I'm not too familiar with things.
[11:14] <greyback> anpok_: if I were you, I'd compile qtubuntu with debugging on, it might help
[11:15] <greyback> qmake "QMAKE_CXX=arm-linux-gnueabihf-g++-4.9" "QMAKE_LINK=arm-linux-gnueabihf-g++-4.9" "QMAKE_LINK_SHLIB=arm-linux-gnueabihf-g++-4.9" CONFIG+=debug
[11:15] <tsdgeos> Saviq: pushing still broken, right?
[11:15] <greyback> is here
[11:16] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yes
[11:24] <facundobatista> Holas
[11:27] <Saviq> tsdgeos, managed to push, it seems real slow though
[11:27] <tsdgeos> ok, will keep trying
[11:28] <Saviq> hey facundobatista
[11:28] <facundobatista> hola Saviq :)
[11:30] <Saviq> /food
[11:51] <cwayne> Saviq: any chance of 17 landing today?
[12:34] <Saviq> cwayne, oh sry didn't reply
[12:35] <Saviq> cwayne, yeah, just one last branch needs ACKing
[12:35] <Saviq> cwayne, and we've had launchpad crap out on us intermittently
[12:35] <Saviq> which slowed things down
[12:35] <cwayne> ugh launchpad sucks sometimes
[12:37] <Saviq> cwayne, yeah, there was a real downtime today, ssh on the launchpad branch servers died
[12:37] <cwayne> oh damn
[12:38] <Saviq> cwayne, fortunately it's better now
[12:49] <cwayne> Saviq: cool beans.  is silo 17gonna be targeted against -rtm too?
[12:49] <Saviq> cwayne, yeah, we don't deal with rtm vs. non-rtm, everything goes to utopic then to rtm just after
[12:51] <cwayne> Saviq: ah alright, cool
[12:52] <cwayne> not a big fan of this rtm fork myself
[12:54] <Saviq> cwayne, well, there's reasons for it, we *might* have jumped the gun a bit on when we did it
[12:54] <Saviq> cwayne, but we wanted to protect ourselves against standard distro churn
[12:54] <cwayne> right, i know we need it
[12:54] <Saviq> cwayne, with the most recent approach (packages just get srccopied) from utopic to rtm
[12:54] <Saviq> cwayne, it's minimal overhead on dev
[12:55] <cwayne> yeah, that part is nice
[12:55] <Saviq> cwayne, the real overhead is on QA, as they are supposed to ACK all the rtm silos
[13:05] <mterry> kgunn, hello!  So I'm at the point where I don't have many critical bugs assigned to me, and I am implementing the latest visuals from Design.  At what point should we stop making UI changes?  I mean, we already blew by the UI freeze a while ago.  But that seemed more advisory than real.  Is there a real UI freeze date?
[13:06] <Saviq> mterry, there is none, really
[13:06] <kgunn> mterry: :D
[13:06]  * Saviq finds bugs for mterry :)
[13:06] <mterry> Saviq, no!  I've had these designs on my plate long enough, got to get rid of them
[13:06] <Saviq> mterry, ok ;)
[13:06] <kgunn> mterry: one thing that would be useful imho, is potentially generating "engineering ugly" version of music controls on greeter
[13:07] <kgunn> ....or are we bringing indicators back ?
[13:07] <Saviq> kgunn, http://nooooooooooooooo.com/
[13:07] <mterry> kgunn, we're bringing indicators back
[13:07] <Saviq> yes
[13:07] <mterry> kgunn, MPs all filed
[13:07]  * kgunn succeeded in scaring Saviq for the day....check
[13:07] <Saviq> *crash*
[13:08] <Saviq> ah no, just input got confused ?¿
[13:08] <mterry> kgunn, so we don't care about UI /string changes for the RTM side...  But distro has its own dates for those that we presumably should obey, eh?
[13:08] <kgunn> hey its early...i couldn't remember
[13:08] <kgunn> mterry: yeah...that's a good question
[13:09] <Saviq> mterry, will we even hit distro UXF before RTM?
[13:09] <mterry> Saviq, I'm not sure.  I haven't looked at a calendar recently
[13:09] <mterry> kgunn, is there an RTM google calendar I can add to my calendar?
[13:09] <Saviq> Sep 11th
[13:09] <Saviq> is UIF
[13:10] <Saviq> Sep 18th is doc freeze
[13:10] <Saviq> so in theory we're going past this
[13:11] <Saviq> mterry, but as before, I imagine, we can get a blanket exception
[13:11] <Saviq> mterry, or, we could start only releasing into rtm once devel is frozen...
[13:12] <seb128> I though rtm was design frozen in july?
[13:12] <kgunn> yeah, i'm assuming exception
[13:12] <Saviq> by devel I mean utopic
[13:12] <Saviq> seb128, lol ;)
[13:12] <seb128> Saviq, not joking...
[13:12] <kgunn> seb128: tell that to design
[13:12] <seb128> we are playing whack a mole on translations if we keep changing strings
[13:13] <seb128> especially for bits like the first start wizard
[13:13] <seb128> (which is mterry is sending redesign for)
[13:35] <dandrader> greyback, https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/qtmir/missingTouchEnd-lp1295623/+merge/232410
[13:35] <dandrader> greyback, once you have some time for reviews
[13:36] <greyback> dandrader: back at you then :) https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/platform-api/exposeOrientation/+merge/232250
[13:36] <greyback> dandrader: https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/qtubuntu/exposeOrientation/+merge/232252
[13:36] <dandrader> lovely
[13:37] <greyback> dandrader: "should fix" ? - have you no way to be sure?
[13:37] <dandrader> greyback, there are no sure steps to reproduce the bug. I've never seen it myself. All I know is what makes Qt behave like that
[13:38] <greyback> dandrader: yuk, one of those bug
[13:38] <dandrader> greyback, so I was able to artificially get into the situation that makes qt stop generating mouse events
[13:39] <dandrader> greyback, and that MP ensures that we don't make Qt get into such a state
[13:39] <greyback> dandrader: ok
[13:40] <greyback> dandrader: you have a test here which can repro that artificial situation?
[13:40] <dandrader> oh, forgot the MP checklist
[13:40] <dandrader> greyback, I made a unit test
[13:40] <greyback> dandrader: cool. I can at least run that to see the issue, and then apply your change to see it being fixed
[13:40] <dandrader> greyback, but I also have a toy app to prove it
[13:40] <greyback> do share :)
[13:41] <dandrader> greyback, https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/+junk/touchToMouse
[13:41] <dandrader> It captures raw mouse events and send synthesized touch events to the QQuickWindow out of them.
[13:41] <dandrader> - Left button mouse clicks are translated to touch taps.
[13:41] <dandrader> - Middle button mouse clicks are translated to touch taps as well with the difference that it omits the corresponding TouchEnd (thus emulating the bogus situation).
[13:42] <dandrader> greyback, Left-click all rectangles and see that they happily blink. Then middle-click once a MouseArea. From that point onwards no mouse area will *ever* react to any left-click anymore. They get stuck forever. The touch area though will continue working normally.
[13:42] <greyback> dandrader: do add that to the MR in a comment, just so it is all combined
[13:42] <dandrader> greyback, that toy app just proves that the Qt issue exists
[13:42] <dandrader> greyback, ok
[13:42] <greyback> dandrader: sure, but every bit of info helps IMO
[13:51] <Saviq> Cimi, you still lunching?
[13:53] <tsdgeos> today was burger day was it?
[13:53] <tsdgeos> maybe he died of so much fat :D
[13:56] <anpok> mterry: hm any idea why greeter does not like my password
[13:56] <mterry> anpok, in unity8?  On desktop or phone?
[13:57] <anpok> desktop unity8 greeter
[13:58] <anpok> strange thing - it worked this morning..
[13:58] <anpok> are there logs to look for?
[13:59] <anpok> i actually wanted to just debug another mir startup issue in unity-dash
[13:59] <anpok> can i disable it?
[14:03] <Saviq> tsdgeos, makes sense ;)
[14:05] <Saviq> anpok, you can `passwd -d` your password, it will let you in then ;)
[14:06] <anpok> :)
[14:07] <anpok> just tried my wifes account.. it seemed to accept it once..
[14:07] <anpok> then i mistyped it .. and it denied entry
[14:07] <anpok> now it denies it everytime even when i type it properly
[14:08] <tsdgeos> >>> qmltestrunner.PageHeaderLabelTest::test_popover  has started failing in CI from noweere
[14:08] <Cimi> Saviq, I reviewed
[14:09] <Saviq> tsdgeos, indeed
[14:09] <Saviq> tsdgeos, but not locally, yay
[14:09] <greyback> dandrader: since you're compensating for the fact that Mir's/android's input system doesn't always generate touch releases, I think you should log a Mir bug for it and quote it in the MP
[14:09] <tsdgeos> Saviq: and testDash crashing :S
[14:09] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ran it like 30mins in a loop
[14:10] <tsdgeos> Saviq: dash or popup?
[14:10] <dandrader> greyback, or maybe Mir/android-input is doing the right thing but qtmir was messing up
[14:10] <Saviq> tsdgeos, popup
[14:10] <dandrader> greyback, like considering hover events
[14:10] <dandrader> greyback, as touch presses and releases in an unpredictable manner
[14:11] <greyback> dandrader: would be good to be clear on whose fault it really is though.
[14:11] <greyback> dandrader: touch events have hover?
[14:11] <dandrader> greyback, android-input has
[14:11] <greyback> dandrader: is that not for mouse events?
[14:12] <dandrader> greyback, happens a lot in krillin for instance
[14:12] <Saviq> Cimi, pushed
[14:12] <greyback> dandrader: weird. They represent what exactly? finger stationary on the display?
[14:13] <dandrader> greyback, as I understand it, they represent a finger hovering over the screen. depends on hw capability
[14:13] <dandrader> greyback, some touchscreens can detect when a finger is really close but not really touching it
[14:14] <greyback> dandrader: ah that. Don't think we want to enable that right now
[14:14] <dandrader> greyback, others draw a line in the pressure value, to separate hovering from touching
[14:14] <greyback> I see
[14:14] <tsdgeos> Saviq: running in valgrind, now it's failing (in different places though), let me fix those
[14:15] <dandrader> greyback, so for a finger leaving the screen you can get: touch_release,hover_enter,hover_exit
[14:15] <Saviq> tsdgeos, tx
[14:19] <Cimi> Saviq, ap keeps failing on your branch
[14:19] <Cimi> Saviq, but looks unrelated
[14:19] <Saviq> Cimi, not any more, it failed before due to launchpad breakage
[14:19] <Saviq> Cimi, another run is going
[14:24] <tsdgeos> Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/pageHeaderLabelTestValgrind/+merge/232420
[14:25] <tsdgeos> let's see what CI says
[14:28] <Saviq> tsdgeos, verify(recentSearches, "Could not find the popover")?
[14:28] <tsdgeos> Saviq: you got that?
[14:28] <Saviq> tsdgeos, no, can you add that?
[14:28] <Saviq> tsdgeos, we should have a verify per waitForRendering, otherwise *CRASH*
[14:28] <tsdgeos> well
[14:28] <tsdgeos> a crash is good :D
[14:29] <tsdgeos> i mean you'll see something bad happened
[14:29] <Saviq> a faling test is better ;)
[14:29] <tsdgeos> but sure, i'll add it
[14:29] <tsdgeos> added
[14:33] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ?
[14:33] <tsdgeos> ?
[14:33] <Saviq> tsdgeos, there's a trailing ?
[14:33] <Saviq> tsdgeos, after the verify
[14:36] <tsdgeos> lol
[14:51] <MacSlow> dandrader, could you look over https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/unity-notifications/fix-1348092/+merge/228252 again, mentioned issues were addressed.
[15:02] <dandrader> MacSlow, done
[15:03] <MacSlow> dandrader, great thx!
[15:13] <tsdgeos> Cimi: why do i need to rebase on such branch
[15:13] <tsdgeos> and what is the exact name you want me to rebase on
[15:18] <Saviq> MacSlow, need to pull https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/unity8/fix-1348092/+merge/228090 from the landing
[15:19] <Saviq> MacSlow, getting https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/file/d/0B32jwBcbaPlobmp6eU45aF9mNUE/edit during sim unlock
[15:21] <MacSlow> Saviq, no :/
[15:21] <Saviq> MacSlow, afraid so
[15:21] <MacSlow> Saviq, what the hell is that white bar at the top
[15:22] <Saviq> MacSlow, that looks like it's the actual notification
[15:22] <Saviq> MacSlow, there's text in it
[15:22] <MacSlow> *sigh*
[15:22] <Saviq> MacSlow, that seems to be the thing that dandrader|lunch reported before with getting a fullscreen dark thing with just some text
[15:22] <Saviq> but just got worse
[15:23] <MacSlow> Saviq, I'll try trunk locally... do we have a bug for that yet?
[15:24] <Saviq> MacSlow, no
[15:24] <Saviq> MacSlow, I just commented on the MP
[15:28] <Saviq> MacSlow, the good news is we might actually be able to fix this properly now
[15:29] <MacSlow> Saviq, I first need to get trunk and my branch "side-by-side" to see how/where this issue got introduced
[15:30] <Saviq> MacSlow, I didn't see it before your branch
[15:31] <MacSlow> Saviq, yeah... just running through examples with unity8 trunk... no issues...
[15:35] <Saviq> Wellark, https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/file/d/0B32jwBcbaPlobnpTZ1NmRGc5LVk/edit :|
[15:35] <Saviq> Wellark, anything interesting I can get you, or is that known?
[16:04] <MacSlow> Saviq, kgunn: I'd say filing a bug does not make sense for the "white bar over sim-unlock snap-decision", since it's not really in trunk... I've  a first guess what could be causing it (in my branch).
[16:09] <Saviq> MacSlow, yeah, good
[16:09] <Saviq> MacSlow, I think the error message (title? summary?) ended up in that white notification and it wasn't displayed in the pin screen at all
[16:09] <Saviq> when I typed the wrong SIM
[16:09] <Saviq> PIN
[16:45] <tsdgeos> Saviq: testDash crash :/
[16:46] <tsdgeos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8160868/
[16:46] <Saviq> yay polishItems
[16:46] <tsdgeos> i've seen this backtrace before
[16:46] <Saviq> yeah
[16:46] <tsdgeos> but it was because lvpwh was removing stuff on polish
[16:46] <tsdgeos> that shout not be happening anymore
[16:47] <tsdgeos> maybe something else is :/
[16:47] <tsdgeos> will have a look at it tomorrow
[16:47]  * tsdgeos waves
[18:45] <Wellark> Saviq: hmm..
[18:46] <Wellark> Saviq: that just looks like fallout from the prematurely enabled UnlockAllModems() in the greeeter
[18:46] <Wellark> Saviq: did you land the revert _everywhere_ ?
[18:49] <Saviq> Wellark, I did land it on that phone (phone's not rtm)
[18:49] <Saviq> Wellark, but in any case it landed in rtm now, too
[19:17] <cwayne> Saviq: so i noticed the silo is for rtm now, so i imagine itll be srccopy'd back to ubuntu then?
[19:37] <plars> Saviq: sorry, got distracted by some other things earlier, but mterry says I should coordinate landing of his MP through you? - https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/unlock-via-dbus/+merge/232428 is the MP
[19:38] <mterry> Saviq, oh yeah, this is blocking plars, so I was curious which other unity8 merges we've got going on, if we can land this one faster (once approved of course)
[20:00] <Saviq> mterry, go for it
[20:01] <mterry> Saviq, is any other silo close enough to landing that it's worth rolling it in?
[20:01] <Saviq> mterry, you'll have to coord with kgunn rather than me, I don't have nothing in store right now (you and kgunn have)
[20:01] <mterry> Ah whoops
[20:01] <mterry> kgunn, same questions ^ :)
[20:02] <Saviq> mterry, his just failed to merge
[20:02] <Saviq> mterry, so it's really between you and plars :)
[20:05] <kgunn> mterry: you need that landed ? looks like we can just get a silo for it
[20:05] <kgunn> all on its lonesome
[20:05] <mterry> kgunn, yeah i think plars made a silo
[20:06] <plars> mterry: well, I asked, but there are too many things out there for unity8 so robru is reluctant to make one for this, wanted to see if it could be combined
[20:06] <plars> mterry: otherwise, if it looks like those are a ways off, and it won't cause problems for others, maybe we can jump the line :)
[20:07] <mterry> plars, my silo is close to being landable -- just needs the unity8 branch approved, the other two are
[20:07] <kgunn> plars: mterry ....so silo2 is a ways off, that's just prep for dednick's
[20:07] <mterry> plars, so we either land yours alone or with mine how abouts?  Depending on when the MP approvals hit
[20:08] <plars> mterry: well they're both really yours, I'm just trying to get a feel for the process :) probably easier to just combine it with your other one then if you are comfortable with that. That way we don't have to complicate it even further with more people waiting
[20:34] <mhall119> is there a way to access a scope's config values from it's .ini from within the scope's code?
[21:05] <Saviq> mhall119, its
[21:05] <Saviq> mhall119, might wanna try and grab michi for that


[00:05] <calavera> Hello?
[00:06] <musca> Hello calavera
[00:06] <calavera> Hello.
[00:06] <calavera> Would you be able to help me with my problem?
[00:07] <musca> may be
[00:10] <calavera> Well, I'm having trouble where GRUB can't see my NTFS drive
[00:10] <calavera> When it tries to boot, it gives me an invalid file path error.
[00:10] <musca> well, uefi systems use a GUID partition table
[00:10] <calavera> What does that mean?
[00:11] <musca> only systems booted in uefi mode see the existing partitions
[00:12] <musca> systems booted in BIOS mode see a MBR with an entry that claims the full capacity (no free space left)
[00:13] <musca> a fake MBR that is
[00:14] <musca> if your existing Win7 is an uefi system you will have to boot your linux install media in uefi mode
[00:17] <musca> your media must contain some special efi files
[00:22] <calavera> So are you saying that I should just reinstall *buntu?
[00:23] <musca> i dunno what your problem is, what you did before, what you want to do, and so on
[00:24] <calavera> I have two hard drives in my laptop with W7 as my primary.
[00:24] <calavera> I want to dual boot across both of them using GRUB, if possible.
[00:24] <calavera> The UEFI system is making that hard.
[00:25] <calavera> Every time that I want to boot into Windows, GRUB tells me that there is an invalid file path.
[00:26] <musca> this is quite new stuff for me and i don't know if there is a workaround
[00:27] <musca> How do you boot your windows now?
[00:29] <musca> perhaps you can create an entry for grub in your windows boot manager
[00:29] <calavera> I am booting Windows using the MBR. I eventually got tired of messing with it, and I just let MBR overwrite GRUB, and then I just let GNU/ Linux just sit on there.
[00:32] <musca> hmm, did you try to find some howto on the inet?
[00:32] <musca> http://askubuntu.com/questions/193144/dual-boot-uefi-windows-7-and-ubuntu-12-04-both-64-bits-w7-entry-doesnt-appea
[00:59] <BarkingFish> sorry about that - I completely forgot to come back here after I rebooted :P  I guess old age is catching up with me!
[00:59] <BarkingFish> Right - I disabled the desktop items, turned off Folder view and did everything humanly possible to knobble kio_thumbnail, but it came back when I rebooted.
[01:00] <BarkingFish> Looks like FlowRiser has left - yofel, any other ideas?
[01:01] <BarkingFish> I tried strace against the process when I could get into a terminal, and it just sat there.  Did nothing even while kio_thumbnail was slowing my kit down to practically 0% usage
[01:01] <BarkingFish> *usage/usability
[01:02] <dabauer> What printer do I use with Ubuntu???
[01:03] <BarkingFish> !printers
[01:03] <dabauer> OK, CUPS I'll use but with what printer???
[01:04] <BarkingFish> there should be a list in there of all those compatible with cups, dabauer
[01:04] <dabauer> OK, let me go look
[01:04] <BarkingFish> if you read the page about Hardware Support Components that should be it
[01:19] <morgajel> dabauer: printer support is pretty good at this point; most drivers are 95%+ complete, and just lack the features that otherwise require manufacturer apps to use.
[01:32] <dabauer> just bought a printer from thinkpenguin, an HP printer, should work OK.
[02:08] <juacom99> hi, one question, i'm on Kubuntu 12.04 LTS and every time i start my computer i get an crash error regarding lsb_release. I saw the bug track but they don't say enithing about a solution for this bug. any idea if is posible to solve it and how?
[02:09] <BarkingFish> juacom99, Hi.  Do you have the link to the bug please?
[02:10] <TheLordOfTime> as an aside, by the way, Kubuntu 12.04 is not LTS.  Only Ubuntu (the Unity ubuntu) has the LTS title :P{
[02:10] <TheLordOfTime> sorry, i'm just a stickler for accuracy :p
[02:11] <BarkingFish> I certainly know there's no bug as far as I am aware in 12.10 - i've been on it since it came out and never seen one.  Come to think of it, i never saw one on 12.04 either
[02:11] <juacom99> BarkingFish: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1094218
[02:11] <BarkingFish> TheLordOfTime, I'm sorry, you're wrong.
[02:11] <BarkingFish> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-release
[02:12] <TheLordOfTime> BarkingFish, really?  I was told differently by the release team
[02:12] <TheLordOfTime> and the dev team
[02:12] <BarkingFish> if you're a stickler for accuracy, please ensure you're accurate
[02:12] <TheLordOfTime> hell even been called out here about it too
[02:12] <BarkingFish> nope
[02:13] <juacom99> it seeams is a pyton script calling lsb_release
[02:13] <juacom99> that crash
[02:13] <BarkingFish> yeah - it was only reported a week or two back, juacom99
[02:13]  * TheLordOfTime shrugs
[02:13] <BarkingFish> it might take a while to figure out how to resolve it
[02:14] <juacom99> ok thanks
[02:14] <BarkingFish> in the mean time, as I say - you have the option of upgrading to 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal)
[02:14] <TheLordOfTime> BarkingFish, when i hear someone on the core dev team tell me this (and by core i mean the team that devs the things all flavors are dependent on), i'll believe you, until then, you and i can argue.
[02:14] <BarkingFish> and I know there's no errors in that
[02:14] <BarkingFish> TheLordOfTime, when it's on Kubuntu's own website, it isn't wrong.
[02:14] <TheLordOfTime> i'm here actyually to figure out what the KDE runtime package is, so i can install KDE without all the Kubuntu applications
[02:14] <BarkingFish> It wouldn't get pulished otherwise
[02:15] <BarkingFish> *published
[02:15] <juacom99> BarkingFish: is really mature 12.10 at this point?
[02:15] <BarkingFish> juacom99, it's quite mature, yes - we go to 13.04 in 3 months time
[02:16] <juacom99> ok i may make an upgrade then
[02:18] <BarkingFish> juacom99, i'd do that - we're only 3 months away from Raring Racoon coming out, but 12.10 is clean at the moment.
[02:19] <rishubh> i Have rekonq 1.1 version...how can i update it to the latest stable version or latest  developing version?
[02:19] <BarkingFish> rishubh, which version of Kubuntu are you using?
[02:20] <juacom99> BarkingFish: so you say i should wait till 13.04?
[02:20] <BarkingFish> *Raring Ringtail, sorry
[02:20] <BarkingFish> i have raccoons on the brain :)
[02:20] <BarkingFish> No, 12.10 is ok , juacom99
[02:21] <BarkingFish> it just means if you upgrade now, to get past this error - you will need to upgrade again in about 3 months
[02:23] <juacom99> BarkingFish: can you refresh my memory on the command to upgrade version??
[02:24] <BarkingFish> in a terminal, do this:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:27] <BarkingFish> incidentally, is there anyone here who can tell me why kubuntu has rpm software when we don't use rpms?
[02:32] <juacom99> kubuntu don't have rpm software itself, it has a tool to comvert rpm to deb (alien) and then install it in kubuntu..
[02:34] <BarkingFish> ah - i just saw something install called rpm2cpio, and there's other rpm building tools and stuff in here too :)
[02:34] <BarkingFish> anyhoo, i gotta reboot, back in a tick
[02:46] <tekkbuzz> juacom99, wajig converts rpms too!
[02:47] <juacom99> tekkbuzz: neve heard of wajig....
[02:47] <tekkbuzz> juacom99, it's in the repos.
[02:51] <tekkbuzz> wajig - simple and unified package management for Debian
[02:53] <BarkingFish> i'm also trying to figure out how to upgrade to raring ringtail so i can go bug hunting on it
[02:54] <BarkingFish> anyone got any ideas?  I know I have to add something or do something somewhere, but I can't remember what or how
[02:54] <DarthFrog> BarkingFish: do-release-upgrade -d
[02:55] <BarkingFish> aha, thanks :)
[02:57] <juacom99> anyone have any idea on how to backup a partition before make an update?
[02:57] <juacom99> dd but how
[03:00] <tekkbuzz> dd if=/dev/sda1 of=sda1.img ???
[03:02] <juacom99> i don't have to tell the dd the length of the partition or where it start?
[03:02] <tekkbuzz> nope
[03:03] <BarkingFish> morning DarthFrog - thought i'd let you know. not sure what is up, but do-release-upgrade is busted
[03:03] <BarkingFish> http://pastebin.com/C69uLeEN
[03:03] <DarthFrog> Lovely.
[03:03] <rishubh> BarkingFish: 12.10
[03:03] <tekkbuzz> make sure you pick the right partition you want though.
[03:04] <juacom99> i got 2 disks with 3 partition each one it gonna be a hard call :P
[03:04] <juacom99> but i think i know witch is the right one
[03:05] <tekkbuzz> cat /proc/partitions
[03:05] <BarkingFish> rishubh, if you put through updates on kubuntu, whatever you have now is the stable version.
[03:05] <rishubh> sorry but i didnt get u
[03:06] <rishubh> do i already have all updated version?
[03:06] <BarkingFish> yes
[03:06] <BarkingFish> when you do updates you get the latest version available
[03:06] <rishubh> but my rekonq is 1.1 version
[03:06] <rishubh> and thats not latest
[03:07] <BarkingFish> actually, it's the latest one we have
[03:07] <BarkingFish> open up a terminal and type: apt-cache policy rekonq
[03:07] <BarkingFish> you will see this: Candidate: 1.1-0ubuntu1
[03:08] <BarkingFish> we may have a proposed version somewhere, but that's the latest stable one we issue
[03:08] <rishubh> ok....
[03:08] <rishubh> but kde has got better ones
[03:08] <rishubh> i mean more updated
[03:09] <BarkingFish> if you want a proposed version, i will tell you how to add the proposed updates to kubuntu
[03:09] <rishubh> ya sure
[03:10] <rishubh> what exactly is  a proposed version?
[03:11] <BarkingFish> it's one we're in the process of getting ready, but which hasn't been generally released
[03:11] <BarkingFish> it's intended pretty much for bug testing :)
[03:12] <BarkingFish> open a terminal, and type: kdesudo software-properties-kde
[03:12] <rishubh> ya and i am doing bug testing..
[03:13] <BarkingFish> when it opens, click the updates tab
[03:13] <rishubh> done
[03:13] <BarkingFish> and tick pre-released updates and (if you're adventurous) unsupported updates
[03:14] <rishubh> ticked both of them
[03:14] <BarkingFish> when you've done this, click close and you'll be told you need to update your sources
[03:14] <BarkingFish> click reload and wait
[03:15] <tekkbuzz> anyone know how kubuntu interacts with xorg.conf, I know it don't need it, but could I write kubuntus config to it somehow then edit it to my liking?
[03:15] <rishubh> wheres reload button its only reset and close
[03:16] <BarkingFish> rishubh - you should see a box telling you your sources are out of date
[03:16] <BarkingFish> the two buttons underneath should be reload and close if you're running in english - how they're worded in other languages, i don't know - it depends on how your system is localized
[03:17] <rishubh> BarkingFish: there are two buttons one is reset and close...thats it
[03:17] <BarkingFish> click close
[03:18] <rishubh> BarkingFish: ok...now it says do you want to reload..
[03:18] <rishubh> so i clicked it
[03:18] <BarkingFish> ah, you missed a step in what i wrote above then :)
[03:18] <BarkingFish> "<BarkingFish> when you've done this, click close and you'll be told you need to update your sources"
[03:19] <rishubh> ya sorry i missed it
[03:19] <BarkingFish> in a few moments, it will finish and you will most likely get a symbol on your system bar - a cogwheel with a down arrow in it.
[03:19] <BarkingFish> you will have updates to put through :)
[03:19] <BarkingFish> i have it here, right now :)
[03:20] <tekkbuzz> anyone know where kde's x settings are stored at?
[03:21] <rishubh> by the way..i am dowloading software updates from software update...will that help?
[03:21] <BarkingFish> i don't really think it matters, rishubh - i use apper. Some people use muon, others use aptitude.  Whatever works is good :)
[03:23] <rishubh> BarkingFish: after all that what you said kubuntu opened software update and i ticked all the updates and clicked on install updatess..i hope i am goin right
[03:24] <BarkingFish> yep. You're installing what you asked for - proposed updates, and the adventurous stuff
[03:24] <BarkingFish> if you ticked it, you're getting it
[03:24] <DarthFrog> BarkingFish:  I use apt-get. :-)
[03:24] <BarkingFish> As I said.  Whatever works is good :)
[03:25] <rishubh> i think it will take some time...thankyou for helping..after it gets innstalled i will get back to you in case i have any problem..thanks
[03:25] <BarkingFish> ok, rishubh - i may not be here, since it's late where I am - 4.25 in the morning.
[03:25] <BarkingFish> other people will be here though, so if you don't get an answer straight away, hold on - someone will be around
[03:25] <rishubh> ok...thanks
[03:26] <BarkingFish> no problem
[03:26] <BarkingFish> right guys, good night - I'm outta here to get to bed on a very chilly Munich night.  Gn8 :D
[03:40] <tekkbuzz> Does anyone know how to stream pulse audio from one system to another?
[05:30] <Rish> How to update KUBUNTU from 10.10 to 12.10??...Can i update using command line...?
[05:30] <Rish> Does kubuntu 12.10 works in a  32 bit Windows 7 system in virtual box
[05:30] <Rish> ?
[05:40] <admshanshuo_> 翻出去了
[05:40] <admshanshuo_> 蛋疼
[05:40] <admshanshuo_> 我要去上课了
[06:50] <robtygart> Can anyone tell me why, when I open a Window Like Dolphin it always opens behind the window I have open
[06:55] <Tm_T> robtygart: how's your window settings?
[06:56] <robtygart> What do you mean?
[06:57] <robtygart> Tm_T: What do you mean?
[07:03] <Tm_T> robtygart: you can configure focus stealing prevention
[07:03] <Tm_T> or how windows are placed when opened
[07:05] <robtygart> Tm_T: focus stealing pervention. Yes I can
[07:07] <robtygart> Tm_T: OK I got it fix. Thank you very much!!!!
[07:08] <Tm_T> no prob
[07:08] <Tm_T> robtygart: you had focus stealing prevention set to max?
[07:09] <robtygart> Just about.. High, its set to low now.
[07:09] <robtygart> What does Focus stealing mean anyway?
[07:10] <robtygart> Odd name, I would not have guessed.
[07:12] <Tm_T> robtygart: focus stealing is when focus is taken by new window or dialog
[07:13] <Tm_T> robtygart: something that is not always desired, for example if you're writing a password to some text field and then chat window pops up taking the focus...
[07:13] <robtygart> Ok, thanks, I learned something new.
[07:14] <robtygart> Good idea.
[07:15] <robtygart> What level do you suggest?
[07:45] <sahil_> Hello
[09:23] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:09] <denis_> hi all
[10:09] <lordievader> Hey denis_
[10:09] <denis_> I am from Russia
[10:10] <denis_> I am setup Kubuntu :)
[10:15] <lordievader> denis_: Nice, liking it so far? Btw there is a russian chat room.
[10:15] <lordievader> !russian
[10:15] <denis_> ok. I find russian chat room
[10:34] <mr0wl> has the catalyst driver bug been fixed with the new release?
[10:34] <mr0wl> or should i stick to the open drivers
[10:59] <IRCApplet> Hello
[12:33] <Amarilis> how can i disable touchpad?
[12:33] <lordievader> Amarilis: There is probably a better way, however there is a Unity Indicator that can do exactly that.
[12:34] <lordievader> Amarilis: http://shuffleos.com/2753/touchpad-indicator-enable-disable-touchpad-ubuntu-panel/
[12:34] <Amarilis> lordievader: i'm using kubuntu
[12:35] <lordievader> Amarilis: I know, but this is a way that will work. Even in Kubuntu, I have used it in the past under Kubuntu.
[12:36] <Amarilis> ooohh, i see
[12:41] <Peace--> Amarilis: there is kcm module for that
[12:42] <Peace--> Amarilis: system settings device =>touchpad
[12:44] <Amarilis> @lordievader && @Peace--: thank you
[12:47] <Amarilis> synaptiks solved my problem. i just checked two settings and everything is just working fine
[12:48] <lordievader> Amarilis: Good to hear :)
[12:48] <Peace--> Amarilis: did you use system settings or that crap unity ?
[12:48] <Peace--> :D
[12:48] <Amarilis> too bad that touchpad management is not included in system settings>input devices
[12:49] <Peace--> Amarilis: there is
[12:49] <Peace--> i have
[12:49] <Amarilis> @Peace: i used synatptiks
[12:49] <Peace--> Amarilis: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/01/18/plasma-desktopiU1995.png
[12:50] <Amarilis> which have what i wanted
[13:01] <raeg> Hello? Does this work?
[13:02] <lordievader> Hey raeg, you are coming in loud and clear :)
[13:02] <raeg> Ok, seems to be. I have a question about alsamixer. I would like to use skype. But although my loudspeakers work, my microphone does not. I tried changing the settings in alsamixer, without success.
[13:03] <lordievader> raeg: Doesn't Skype go through PulseAudio? Anyhow install pavucontrol and see if your mic is turned down.
[13:04] <raeg> Recently it still worked. Then I plugged in a usb-microphone, which worked well, too. But now that I want to use my old standart microphone, which has to be plugged into the microphone-thingy - it does not work anymore.
[13:05] <raeg> My ideas was to reset alsa, so I did: "sudo alsa force-reload" and "alsactl init" - which did not work.
[13:05] <Peace--> raeg: sudo apt-get install sox libsox-fmt-all ; rec -o test.wav
[13:05] <Peace--> press CTRL C to sto recording
[13:05] <Peace--> then
[13:06] <Peace--> play test.wav
[13:07] <Peace--> raeg: btw there is even kwave that is a recorder
[13:08] <raeg> Peace: Do you mean, that I can use the program "kwave" in order to test whether my microphone works?
[13:09] <Peace--> raeg: well i will use konsole with rec -o test.wav
[13:09] <Peace--> that is faster
[13:09] <Peace--> but if you prefer yuu can use kwave
[13:10] <raeg> Peace: I installed "sox libsox-fmt-all", now I am suggested I should restart my computer. Is that necessary?
[13:10] <Peace--> raeg: mm no
[13:10] <Peace--> raeg: rec -o test.wav
[13:10] <Peace--> speak a little
[13:11] <Peace--> press CTRL C
[13:11] <Peace--> play test.wav
[13:11] <raeg> rec WARN alsa: can't encode 16-bit OKI ADPCM
[13:11] <raeg> rec WARN formats: wav can't encode OKI ADPCM
[13:11] <raeg> This is the output and there is some more stuff.
[13:11] <raeg> Ah - ok.
[13:11] <Peace--> it's ok
[13:11] <raeg> Replaying it - but there is no sound.
[13:12] <Peace--> ok can you give me a screenshot of alsamixer -V all ?
[13:12] <Peace--> raeg: should be like this http://wstaw.org/m/2013/01/18/plasma-desktopTd1995.png
[13:18] <raeg> Peace: http://wstaw.org/w/1CsF/
[13:18] <Peace--> raeg: reading
[13:19] <Peace--> raeg: wtf your mic is low
[13:19] <Peace--> raeg: put everything to max
[13:19] <Peace--> :)
[13:20] <ovidiu-florin> hello world, I'm trying to conpile jovie, but I get a CMake error that it cannot find QtCore. I've installed kdelibs5-dev, is there something more? libqtcore4 is installed.
[13:20] <raeg> Peace: That makes no difference. My computer is connected with my radio, so it is actuall not that low, because the sound is emplified.
[13:20] <raeg> I am able to listening to music for example.
[13:20] <Peace--> raeg: if you need to solve a problem you need to test
[13:20] <Peace--> if you don't test => you wil not fix
[13:21] <Peace--> ovidiu-florin: sudo apt-get install libqtcore4-dev ?
[13:22] <ovidiu-florin> Peace--: there is no such package
[13:22] <Peace--> ovidiu-florin: wait a moment
[13:23] <Peace--> ovidiu-florin: libqt4-dev
[13:23] <raeg> Peace: Sure, so what do you want me to do? I turned up both "Mic" to maximum. And tested it again with "rec -o test.wav" and "play test.wav", without success.
[13:24] <ovidiu-florin> Peace--: it's allready installed
[13:24] <Peace--> ovidiu-florin: ok then wait a moment :D apt-file will help
[13:25] <raeg> Peace: Or were you talking about "ExtMic", because that bar can not be changed.
[13:27] <Peace--> ovidiu-florin: mm strange apt-file search QtCore says libqt4-dev
[13:28] <Peace--> ovidiu-florin: there are others packages btw
[13:28] <Peace--> like this ibqt4-private-dev
[13:28] <ovidiu-florin> Peace--: this is my error: http://paste.kde.org/650360/
[13:28] <Peace--> raeg: did you see the other page (> type right arrow)?
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:30] <Peace--> ovidiu-florin: mm this is strange i have compiled a lots of stff
[13:30] <Peace--> ovidiu-florin: i will suggest to understand those error to install  apt-file
[13:30] <Peace--> then you do apt-file update
[13:30] <Peace--> then apt-file search error
[13:30] <Peace--> here it says
[13:30] <Peace--> python-qt4-dev
[13:31] <raeg> Peace--: Yes, there is another bar. Raising it did not help.
[13:31] <Peace--> libqt4-private-dev
[13:32] <Peace--> libqt4-dev libqtcore4-perl libqtcore4
[13:32] <Peace--> ovidiu-florin: and others
[13:33] <Peace--> raeg: mm sound like a bug
[13:34] <Peace--> raeg: btw try to use  pavucontrol
[13:34] <Peace--> or remove pulseaudio
[13:35] <Peace--> raeg: if you want remove pulse audio  apt-get remove pulseaudio-utils pulseaudio
[13:35] <Peace--> then you can even re-install it
[13:35] <raeg> Peace--: These are all bars from alsamixer: http://imagebin.org/243285 and http://imagebin.org/243286
[13:36] <raeg> Peace--: How should I use pavucontrol? I installed and opened it - but I did get how it should help. It is a very confusing program.
[13:37] <Peace--> raeg: i dunno i have used one time btw aufnahme what is that ?
[13:37] <Peace--> i don't knwo german language
[13:37] <raeg> Peace--: Can it not become a problem if I remove pulseaudio?
[13:37] <raeg> "aufnahme" is "recording"
[13:38] <Peace--> raeg: mm tha should be to max
[13:38] <raeg> sure, but which one? and even if I max all of them - it does not help
[13:38] <raeg> btw: you already see: all are up
[13:38] <Peace--> raeg: like i said before to understand you need to put them all to max
[13:39] <Peace--> buddy as you want
[13:39] <Peace--> i need to go have luck
[13:39] <raeg> fair enough
[13:39] <ovidiu-florin> what packages are necessary for KDE development?
[13:40] <ovidiu-florin> I am reffering mostly to applications not the workspace
[14:06] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: installing the qt-sdk and kdevelop/qtcreator would be a good start. And looking at http://techbase.kde.org/Development
[14:06] <ovidiu-florin> I have those
[14:07] <ovidiu-florin> I've started but I can't compile any project due to this error: http://paste.kde.org/650360/
[14:11] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: odd, that should be part of libqt4-dev. Is that installed?
[14:12] <ovidiu-florin> yes it is
[14:15] <ovidiu-florin> I've used cmake-gui and fixed it... not sure how.. but it works now
[16:34] <Delta_troN> !!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:37] <Delta_troN> ##################################################################################
[17:10] <ovidiu-florin> where are the images/graphics that Kmail uses stored?
[17:13] <ovidiu-florin> more specific, I'm looking for the images that are used to mark a email as important or not
[17:15] <avihay> somewhere in /usr/share, I guess
[17:16] <avihay> you can look at the installed files info of the package in any competent package manager
[18:35] <robtygart> ovidiu-florin: look in /usr/share/icons
[18:37] <FlowRiser> ovidiu-florin, also, you might find helpful the command kdialog --get-icon actions
[18:37] <FlowRiser> it lists all action items
[18:38] <FlowRiser> including send, receive, email, etc
[18:40] <FlowRiser> Hey all, i've got a question regarding the kubuntu startup; I've recently installed kubuntu on a netbook, it performs just fine; The problem is the startup time (3-4 minutes),  also immediately after showing the desktop it is so slow ... it works fine only after it shows up the warnings (i don't have a contact folder and updates); What can I do ? (I have 1.6 Ghz dual core, 1gb ram, vm.swappinness=10)
[18:40] <adil> Hello
[18:40] <FlowRiser> adil, yo
[18:40] <robtygart> FlowRiser: Do you have your graphic drivers installed
[18:41] <FlowRiser> robtygart, the graphic driver performs just fine; the problem lies in that slowness i experience prior to getting those popup warnings
[18:41] <robtygart> The last time mine was acting really slow, it was to do with my graphic drivers.
[18:42] <FlowRiser> robtygart, i will investigate that further, you might have a point
[18:42] <robtygart> When this happens try and get terminal up and type "top" or "htop" if you have it
[18:42] <robtygart> there you can see what the cpu and ram usage is
[18:43] <robtygart> then you can get some idea of what app is slowing you down,
[18:44] <FlowRiser> robtygart, the thing that most slows my system down at the beginning is PlasmaDesktop
[18:45] <FlowRiser> 14% cpu
[18:45] <robtygart> FlowRiser: give me the out put of
[18:45] <robtygart> lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 vga
[18:45] <robtygart> output*
[18:46] <FlowRiser> robtygart, wait a second, i need to get my other monitor in; I had to take it's lcd display, i needed it on a robot. brb 1 minute
[18:47] <robtygart> Another idea could be your desktop effects, if you have everything turned on you could be slowing it down there too.
[18:48] <FlowRiser> robtygart, i turned everything down, i even installed kubunut-low-fat-settings
[18:52] <FlowRiser> rotygart, so now it's booting up into the login screen
[18:53] <FlowRiser> it actually takes some time to boot into the kde-greeter
[18:54] <FlowRiser> and now, i logged in
[18:54] <andybrine> evening everyone
[18:54] <robtygart> Is this a lapotp
[18:55] <andybrine> can anyone recommend how to reinstall graphics drivers for intel 3000 hd
[18:55] <FlowRiser> robtygart, i know, i just have high expectations of kubuntu :D
[18:55] <andybrine> ?
[18:55] <robtygart> FlowRiser: its really peppy in mine and this is a 7 year old laptop
[18:56] <robtygart> andybrine: Have you looked in package manager?
[18:56] <FlowRiser> robtygart, finally to the desktop! :D
[18:56] <andybrine> I have the latest intel drivers from the packate manager
[18:56] <robtygart> Wowl thats really slow
[18:57] <FlowRiser> robtygart, exactly O>O
[18:57] <andybrine> when i first login, my graphics are very blocky
[18:57] <andybrine> and dont know why
[18:57] <andybrine> so i was going to install again
[18:57] <andybrine> see if it fixes it
[18:57] <FlowRiser> andybrine, when you are in the login screen ?
[18:58] <robtygart> There is an option in Package manager that you can make for re-installation.
[18:58] <andybrine> FlowRiser when i have hit login and its loading, all the graphics are messed up
[18:58] <robtygart> mark*
[18:59] <FlowRiser> andybrine, check your graphics driver, might be you have vesa or something like that
[18:59] <andybrine> what command do you use to check that?]
[19:00] <FlowRiser> robtygart, i got the output: Vga compatible controller ... Intel N10  ... Kernel driver in use: i915
[19:00] <FlowRiser> robtygart, mostly that
[19:01] <robtygart> That looks fine.
[19:01] <robtygart> My problems where coming from Nvida!
[19:02] <robtygart> Nvidia*
[19:02] <andybrine> there is a libva-intel-vaapi-driver, is that the one that needs installing?
[19:02] <FlowRiser> robtygart, oh god! :D I always remember when Linus Torvald said: "Nvidia f*** you!"
[19:02] <robtygart> lol
[19:02] <FlowRiser> robtygart, there's even a remix on youtube
[19:03] <robtygart> I don't think I seen the first vid, I only read the aretical
[19:03] <FlowRiser> robtygart, WATCH IT!
[19:03] <FlowRiser> and enjoy ;)
[19:03] <robtygart> andybrine: could you also give me the output if this lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 vga
[19:04] <robtygart> lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 vga
[19:04] <FlowRiser> robtygart, my system is faster than it was this morning, odly :|
[19:04] <robtygart> Have you ran any updaes?
[19:05] <FlowRiser> robtygart, let me check
[19:05] <andybrine> robtygart, i have just messaged you the output
[19:05] <robtygart> run
[19:05] <robtygart> sudo apt-get update
[19:05] <robtygart> Then
[19:05] <robtygart> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:06] <FlowRiser> robtygart, to be honest i'd rather stay at 12.04, what does dist-upgrade do ?
[19:07] <robtygart> type
[19:07] <robtygart> man apt-get
[19:07] <robtygart> I am not on Kubuntu at the moment, it can explain it better
[19:07] <FlowRiser> robtygart, thanks man :D
[19:08] <robtygart> it does the same thing as
[19:08] <robtygart> sudo apt-get upgrade, but it will do the most important package first..  Thats how "snowhog" told me thas how I should do it.. LOL
[19:08] <robtygart> he is around here somewhere I am sure
[19:09] <FlowRiser> robtygart, hehe, in linux there are allot of ways to do things :D
[19:09] <Unit193> robtygart: Not quite, upgrade will only update installed programs, dist-upgrade will also install programs if doing so is required when upgrading a package.  Like linux-image-generic when there is a new kernel out.
[19:10] <robtygart> Ok, I get it.
[19:11] <FlowRiser> I don't think this will solve my slow startup times, though
[19:13] <FlowRiser> swap memory, swappinness, can they influence my startup times with kubuntu ?
[19:16] <robtygart> I don't know.
[19:17] <BluesKaj> FlowRiser, nepomuk and akonadi can
[19:17] <BluesKaj> if they're enabled
[19:23] <FlowRiser> BluesKaj, ok, i'll disable them after the update
[19:24] <BluesKaj> FlowRiser, also if you init scripts running at high run level
[19:24] <BluesKaj> have
[19:25] <FlowRiser> BluesKaj, how do i check those ?
[19:25] <BluesKaj> they're usually self made scrpits to start particular functions , not default stuff
[19:26] <FlowRiser> BluesKaj, it's a fresh install, didn't really had time to "fiddle" >:)
[19:26] <BluesKaj> ok , FlowRiser ..what kind of boot times are you expecting ?
[19:28] <FlowRiser> BluesKaj, i'm not talking about boot times, just startup times; Cause Unity+compiz performs much better than Kde
[19:28] <FlowRiser> BluesKaj, example: from the login screen to kde it took 3-4 minutes! from the login screen to Unity+compiz 10 seconds
[19:28] <BluesKaj> hmm, odd , never noticed that unity was faster then kde
[19:29] <FlowRiser> BluesKaj, you'd be surprised O.o
[19:29] <FlowRiser> BluesKaj, but i need kde to work in
[19:29] <FlowRiser> BluesKaj, so you can imagine my frustration when i have to wait 3 minutes just to get to the desktop
[19:30] <BluesKaj> FlowRiser, well you must have some other problem ..kde loads very quickly here , probly less tah 5-10 secs after login
[19:30] <FlowRiser> BluesKaj, on my pc too, it takes 3-5 secdonds O.o
[19:31] <FlowRiser> i'll try again after update and reboot
[19:31] <FlowRiser> time it properly
[19:31] <BluesKaj> ok
[19:57] <apologeticnoob> Hi
[19:57] <apologeticnoob> I have a small issue that i could use some fresh eyes on
[19:57] <apologeticnoob> when i boot into kubuntu i get an error msg that says "Call to lnusertemp failed (temporary directory is full?) check your installation. This is just a popup i can click okay to and then i can log in with no problems.
[19:58] <apologeticnoob> something about kdeinit chrashes or something
[19:58] <apologeticnoob> 12.04
[19:59] <apologeticnoob> does anyone else have this or a fix to this?
[20:01] <BluesKaj>  apologeticnoob , have you updated and upgraded lately ?
[20:02] <apologeticnoob> yes
[20:02] <apologeticnoob> http://pastebin.com/Rn3sE8va
[20:02] <apologeticnoob> installed a few days ago
[20:03] <apologeticnoob> it is an old laptop, but everything works smoothly so i doubt it is an hardware issue
[20:04] <apologeticnoob> is kdm the right log to be reviewing?
[20:04] <apologeticnoob> I was not sure about that...
[20:07] <apologeticnoob> does this makes sense to you?
[20:08] <BluesKaj> looks like your xserver-xorg file is bit out of spec , but X server obviously recovers , and it's not serious , as long as yopu don't have any video or display problems
[20:08] <apologeticnoob> well i dont, but the boot delay is annoying
[20:08] <BluesKaj> Intel graphics ?
[20:08] <apologeticnoob> yea
[20:09] <apologeticnoob> gma 450 i think
[20:10] <apologeticnoob> should i be able to reinstall xserver without fucking everything up?
[20:11] <IdleOne> you should be able to ask without swearing
[20:11] <BluesKaj> you could try blanking the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and rebooting , unless of course you configured the file manually for other devices
[20:11] <apologeticnoob> how was that a swear?
[20:12] <apologeticnoob> ill try that
[20:12] <IdleOne> apologeticnoob: cursing is not allowed in *buntu channels
[20:12] <BluesKaj> we don't approve of the "f" word and othe curses
[20:12] <apologeticnoob> oh. I am truly sorry
[20:13] <invariant> When I resize a window under particular , X crashes. How can I modify the way kdm starts X?
[20:14] <invariant> s/under particular/under particular conditions
[20:15] <apologeticnoob> http://pastebin.com/LEZP32aQ
[20:15] <apologeticnoob> should it be there?
[20:19] <apologeticnoob> there is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:19] <apologeticnoob> should it be there?
[20:22] <BluesKaj> apologeticnoob, in some cases it's needed , and some not , the default is not ..if want to create xorg.conf (which can;t hurt) , do , sudo Xorg -configure
[20:23] <apologeticnoob> Fatal server error:
[20:23] <apologeticnoob> Server is already active for display 0
[20:23] <BluesKaj> invariant, Kwin is the kde window manager , kdm is the login page display
[20:24] <invariant> BluesKaj, please just answer the question.
[20:24] <invariant> BluesKaj, I don't ask questions for nothing.
[20:24] <invariant> BluesKaj, if you don't know the answer, that's also ok.
[20:24] <invariant> In that case, just don't say anything.
[20:25] <invariant> BluesKaj, I am interested in passing -core to X somewhere.
[20:26] <BluesKaj> invariant, you're assuming by your question that kdm is at fault , kwin and the window theme you have chosen might be buggy ..and if you continue your rude attitude then I won't bother you any longer
[20:26] <invariant> BluesKaj, no, you are assuming I am stupid.
[20:26] <invariant> BluesKaj, I already know what crashes.
[20:26] <invariant> BluesKaj, you are not helping.
[20:27] <invariant> BluesKaj, and I didn't say kdm is at fault.
[20:27] <invariant> BluesKaj, please try to _read_.
[20:27] <invariant> BluesKaj, your attitude is rude, because I am trying to fix the broken system the rest of the world has created and you are interfering in this process. You are supposed to be helping me.
[20:28] <BluesKaj> invariant, you're on ignore , don't waste your energy on me
[20:28] <invariant> Man, how hard can it be to just answer the question that is asked?
[20:28] <invariant> Yeah, that's a wonderful way to solve a problem. Ignoring it...
[20:32] <apologeticnoob> blueskaj, is it safe to stop Xorg and how do i do so?
[20:33] <apologeticnoob> or should i just "sudo Xorg -quiet" and the popup will go away?
[20:33] <apologeticnoob> treating the syntoms so to speak
[20:35] <BluesKaj> apologeticnoob, you can drop to a TTY , ALT+CTRL+F1 , then login and do sudo service lightdm (or kdm ) stop , the run your commands and then sudo service lightdm start
[20:36] <BluesKaj> !tty | apologeticnoob
[20:37] <BluesKaj> tty is avery habdy method to configure and install apps that require X to be out of the loop
[20:37] <BluesKaj> err handy
[20:48] <franz__> guten abend ihr lieben
[20:49] <BluesKaj> !de | franz__
[20:49] <franz__> und wo finde ich den
[20:51] <BluesKaj> franz__, this channel is English only
[20:51] <franz__> ok
[20:52] <musca> franz__: einfach anklicken
[21:00] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: heh, I didn't realize alt-ctrl-f1 also worked
[21:00] <shadeslayer> I always did a ctrl-alt-f1
[21:01] <BluesKaj> yeah alta+ctrl+f1 to f6
[21:02] <BluesKaj> or ctrl+alt+f1  to f6 :)
[22:48] <ra2fat> bluetooth