[00:00] <lvmer> I guess I'd perfer it to be in a volume group and lv0 so I don't have to split upfiles so much on the share
[00:35] <lvmer> I'm trying to formate a 3TB HD ->  $ parted /dev/sdb     mklabel gpt     mkpart primary  [start]  [end]
[00:35] <lvmer> What should I use for the [start] and [end] values to make sure everything is aligned?
[01:14] <lvmer> is there an easy way to partition and format a bunch of disks at once? ie: sd[b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i] ?
[01:31] <akerok_> Hello everyone.
[01:31] <akerok_> I need some help with my server.
[01:35] <yeats> akerok_: just ask and someone may be able to help
[01:39] <akerok_> All right.  I have a Ubuntu 12.04 server running right now.    My friend and I are trying to get it to allow her to remote desktop login to  the account I have on the server for her.  I have the open ssh server running on it right now, but it still will not allow her to access it from her computer running windows.  How can I get it to allow her to access it?
[01:40] <QnD> hey all
[01:41] <yeats> akerok_: how is she trying to access it?  what program and what command?
[01:42] <QnD> I installed ubuntu 12.04.1 Server and I need a head on it for eclipse and such..... tried aptitude install gnome and it screwed up all of my services like apache and such
[01:42] <QnD> any ideas on how to add a head to ubuntu server without any impact to services
[01:43] <akerok_> She is trying to use windows remote desktop software.  I have her trying to use the static ip address of my comptuter (we are on the same network).  Also, there seems to be a problem with the "/var/lib/dpkg/lock" directory.
[01:43] <yeats> QnD: can you provide details about why you believe installing gnome affected services?
[01:44] <yeats> akerok_: okay - that would be a separate issue (dpkg).  I would recommend she use PuTTY
[01:45] <akerok_> We are trying that one as well.  It's saying it cannot find the server.
[01:46] <yeats> akerok_: it may be a windows firewall issue (obviously beyond the topic here) - have you verified that ssh can get out?
[01:46] <akerok_> To be honest, I don't know how to do that.
[01:46] <akerok_> I don't remember.
[01:47] <QnD> well when aptitude gave me output several services such as apache2 was listed under REMOVE:
[01:47] <akerok_> The Windows firewall is off.
[01:48] <yeats> akerok_: you might need to ask in ##windows about why that's not working... what's the dpkg/apt problem?
[01:49] <QnD> any ideas on why it would attempt to impact services ? during the install I noticed it stopped and started the apache2 service
[01:50] <akerok_> It tells me that the directory is unreachable, and asks if another program is using it.
[01:51] <akerok_> My friend has joined this IRC channel now.
[01:52] <yeats> QnD: because there must be conflicting dependencies between gnome and what you already had installed
[01:53] <QnD> @yeats is there a way of adding some sort of head to server.  i just need it for some dev stuff and such
[01:53] <yeats> akerok_: there might be another package manager program open?
[01:53] <yeats> akerok_: you could try 'lsof | grep dpkg'?
[01:53] <akerok_> I will try that.  One sec.
[01:54] <akerok_> I just rebooted the server.  It didn't give me the problem again.
[01:55] <yeats> QnD: no way to use another station for that?
[01:55] <yeats> QnD: LXDE would be the lightest desktop if you decide one is necessary
[01:55] <QnD> nah I only have one box for both
[01:56] <QnD> will LXDE impact my services
[01:56] <yeats> QnD: no idea
[01:56] <QnD> install complete and booted...   trying now
[01:56] <QnD> BTW thanks for your help
[01:56] <yeats> QnD: sure
[01:59] <lvmer> I am having trouble aligning the primary partition on a 3TB HDD [sdb]. I receive the error: Partition 1 does not start on physical sector boundary. How can I make sure it lines up correctly? It is important because these disks will be used in an important RAID 10 Array. Thanks.
[02:02] <ikonia> lvmer: what tool are you using ?
[02:02] <lvmer> parted, because fdisk doesn't do >2.2TB
[02:02] <ikonia> perfect
[02:02] <ikonia> just checking, good call
[02:03] <lvmer> I ran parted -a optimize /dev/sdb
[02:03] <lvmer> but I still get the error
[02:05] <QnD> @yeats what packages should i install from lxde.  I did a search and lxde, lxde-common .... came up.   also do I need anything else installed like Xwindows framework or stuff along those lines
[02:07] <yeats> QnD: lxde-core is the lightest, but lxde is not much more
[02:08] <yeats> QnD: this is a very useful page: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Ubuntu
[02:08] <QnD> just install lxde-metapackage and let aptitude figure out the dependancies
[02:09] <yeats> QnD: just watch that apt doesn't try to remove anything you're using
[02:12] <QnD> im not too woried about size.... just like you just said... it is the services im worried about...
[02:14] <QnD> it looks like nothing is scheduled for removal
[02:15] <yeats> QnD: good
[02:15] <QnD> will most apps like eclipse run on lxde ?
[02:15] <yeats> QnD: you'll need java for eclipse, but yes
[02:16] <QnD> hmmm transmission (torrent engine) would be nice on a linux tcp stack :)
[02:18] <QnD> pulled the trigger ! installing :)
[02:22] <QnD> @yeats how do I start it.  no lxde file in /etc.init.d and "service" doesnt recognize it
[02:23] <yeats> QnD: see the wiki link I shared above
[02:23] <QnD> k
[02:39] <QnD> could not open display :(  rebooting
[02:41] <QnD> trying aptitude install ldxe.... seems to have xorg stuff.  probably easier to tweek
[02:43] <Saronasilverwolf> Hi, I'm working with akerok_ on here. We were able to get to where it asks for my password using ssh, but it keeps saying access denied.
[02:43] <QnD> @yeats unable to open display... any ideas...  internet docs seem ambiguous
[02:44] <QnD> got it so far... had to install xinit and go through startx
[02:46] <mike024> Hello. I am creating a homelab/bunch of services for my personal use. Because AD is ubiquitous, I want to use it. What is the best way to implement single sign on on all of my ubuntu/linux servers and desktops that I have set up? Should I use an OpenLDAP server as a 'go-between' or do something else? This will be a mostly Linux set up, but there will be Windows clients(another reason for using AD)
[02:47] <highvoltage> mike024: check out SSSD
[02:47] <highvoltage> mike024: it does almost everything for you. if you look up the edubuntu-devel mailing list on lists.ubuntu.com, there's an email not to long ago that basically outlines how to configure sssd (it has a man page too)
[02:53] <akerok_> We were able to get SSH server to allow me to connect using my compters terminal remotely to our server, but she cannot connect using SSH on her computer.  We cannot figure out why it will not allow any other computer to connect to the server.  The server is running as a VM on my computer.
[02:54] <ikonia> akerok_: probably a route
[02:54] <akerok_> I honestly don't know how to fix this issue.
[02:54] <mike024> highvoltage: neato. Looks very useful. Thanks for another way to solve the problem to look into!
[02:56] <mike024> akerok_ Saronasilverwolf: You get the login prompt? It asks for your password?
[02:57] <akerok_> Yes.
[02:57] <Saronasilverwolf> yes it does
[02:57] <akerok_> There are 2 user accounts on the server.  Mine and hers.  Both have passwords.
[02:57] <mike024> Are you sure the username and password is correct? can her account log in locally?
[02:58] <akerok_> I can log into her account directly on the server.
[02:58] <akerok_> It's Ubuntu server 12.04
[02:58] <mike024> can you pastebin your sshd.config?
[02:59] <akerok_> I might be able to.  The server is running as a VM on my computer.
[03:00] <mike024> Please do. The configuration of the machine/vm you're trying to log into is important. :)
[03:00] <akerok_> All right.  I'll try.
[03:00] <mike024> You sound like you don't know exactly how to do it. There are a couple easy ways. change ssh in your commandline to log in to sftp and then type get /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[03:01] <mike024> or just ssh in and cat it then copy and paste
[03:02] <pmatulis> start by looking at your server's logs (auth.log)
[03:03] <QnD> @yeats all successful so far.  once I installed lxde i installed xinit then firefox,transmission,  and now going to try to create my dev environment with rclipse....  Thanks for all of your help.  will post any problems for FYI purposes.  have a good night !
[03:04] <QnD> lightweight head on server accomplished !  a bit of a conflict of interest but needed :)
[03:04] <akerok_>  Are you saying to try to log into the server using sftp?
[03:06] <mike024> I'm saying for you to get the sshd_config, you could use sftp
[03:06] <akerok_> Oh, ok.
[03:11] <akerok_> Do you want me to copy and paste the doc info in here, or share the file?
[03:13] <mike024> http://pastebin.com/
[03:17] <akerok_> http://pastebin.com/9cgzrWCv
[03:19] <mike024> everything looks fine. get the output of: cat /etc/passwd | grep USERNAME
[03:21] <akerok_> AmandaClements,,,:/home/amandaclements:/bin/bash
[03:22] <akerok_> amandaclements:x:1001:1001:AmandaClements,,,:/home/amandaclements:/bin/bash
[03:23] <mike024> Saronasilverwolf: what is the command you put in to log in?
[03:24] <Saronasilverwolf> ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:24] <mike024> remove the capitals
[03:24] <akerok_> <IP_ADDRESS> is the static ip
[03:24] <mike024> ssh amandaclements@ip
[03:25] <akerok_> It gave her access.  Thank you very much.
[03:26] <mike024> yarp
[03:27] <akerok_> Will that work the same with remote desktop?
[03:28] <sesstreets> m trying to make a samba share follow a specific protocol. When a windows client maps the drive, I want them to be able to read files, execute files, and create new files but I do not want them to be able to delete either folders or files. Will this result in the client being able to open a file and then save a new copy?
[03:28] <akerok_> nvm.  It did.
[03:28] <mike024> that will work for ssh
[03:29] <sesstreets> I know its an ACL setting but which one
[03:29] <mike024> sesstreets: you are using extended acl's, right?
[03:29] <sesstreets> I believe so
[03:30] <mike024> sesstreets: you would know, you have to set that as a mount option
[03:30] <sesstreets> Oh... yes I do remember it is using extedned acl's
[03:31] <sesstreets> any clue?
[03:31] <mike024> I don't have much knowledge of them. But it shouldn't be to hard looking through the man page or google :)
[03:32] <sesstreets> I honestly have spent the last few weeks looking through both. I added a deny: delete, delete files and subfolders
[03:32] <sesstreets> but that stopped read access
[03:33] <mike024> can you add read?
[03:33] <sesstreets> add read to what?
[03:33] <mike024> and I think I meant extended attributes, not acl
[03:33] <mike024> you added a deny. Can you add a allow: read
[03:34] <sesstreets> hold on let me log on to my server
[03:36] <sesstreets> Ok so, which order do i add it
[03:36] <sesstreets> as in, do i do deny id = 0 or allow id = 0
[03:36] <mike024> Try and see what happens. I don't pretend to have much knowledge in xattr, just a little linux/ubuntu experience
[03:37] <sesstreets> I'm going to do deny first and allow second
[03:39] <sesstreets> ok, so i can't delete.
[03:39] <mike024> thats what you want, right?
[03:40] <sesstreets> but now i can't write
[03:40] <sesstreets> IE i've opened a word doc but i can't even save as
[03:41] <mike024> can you create a file
[03:41] <mike024> just a notepad file?
[03:41] <sesstreets> nope
[03:42] <mike024> so add a allow: create?
[03:43] <sesstreets> thats already there
[03:43] <mike024> also word is an interesting case(office as a whole actually) when you open it, it creates a ~myfile file as temporary, then when you save it deletes your myfile and renames your ~myfile to myfile. Think about the issues involved with that. You need rename, delete, and create permissions just to open and save an office file
[03:43] <sesstreets> I've noticed that
[03:44] <sesstreets> but if i'm opening a file as read only shouldn't it only be making a new one?
[03:44] <sesstreets> thats what i want'
[03:44] <sesstreets> there was a time when i would open a word doc and it would say "this is a read only copy"
[03:45] <mike024> it would make the new file, but when you quit without saving it will delete that temporary file
[03:45] <mike024> so you would need delete perms too
[03:45] <sesstreets> ugh
[03:45] <mike024> unless there is a newer way to open read only in a more recent office
[03:46] <mike024> that I don't know about
[03:46] <sesstreets> it lets you do that in 2010
[03:46] <sesstreets> it happens when another user has the file open
[03:46] <sesstreets> it says "this file is currently open by another user would you like to open as read only"
[03:46] <sesstreets> maybe thast what i've been thinking of :/
[03:48] <mike024> it probably sees that that ~myfile is there and then does that
[03:49] <sesstreets> egh
[03:49] <sesstreets> i think i'm gonna just have to redesign the system in some way
[03:49] <mike024> So I have somewhat the same issue as you
[03:50] <mike024> I don't want people to be able to delete my movies on my file server
[03:50] <sesstreets> why would they delete it?
[03:50] <mike024> users are idiots
[03:50] <sesstreets> no i mean
[03:50] <mike024> My solution: chattr -i all of the things everyonce in a while
[03:50] <sesstreets> just make it read only not?
[03:50] <sesstreets> what is chattr -i?
[03:51] <mike024> makes things immutable(unchangeable)
[03:51] <mike024> it is pretty neat
[03:51] <mike024> basically has precedence over perms
[03:51] <sesstreets> i wonder how this plays with word and friends
[03:51] <sesstreets> wait
[03:51] <mike024> word still wouldn't work
[03:51] <sesstreets> don't you mean +i?
[03:52] <mike024> but it forces files to be read only - no way to get around it
[03:52] <mike024> i do mean +i good catch :)
[03:52] <sesstreets> well... let me try
[03:52] <mike024> word would probably open the files, but not be able to change them. So I think that would satisfy your need
[03:54] <sesstreets> how are you applying it?
[03:54] <sesstreets> file by file or
[03:54] <sesstreets> can you do it recursilvy
[03:55] <sesstreets> oh i see -R
[03:55] <mike024> Always be careful with recursive things. :)
[04:01] <sesstreets> no this wont work without doing it all the time constantly
[04:01] <sesstreets> im thankful for the help but i think the only way to do this is to redesign the share structure so that people can only damage their own files
[04:01] <sesstreets> its much easier to restore a singer user than 40 users
[04:01] <sesstreets> but thanks
[10:16] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1093428 in php5 (main) "Cron job reports unable to load pdo_mysql.so" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1093428
[11:36] <ejnahc> 이브에 아무 이유 없이 마인크 땅굴 파실분
[14:48] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1070078 in autofs (main) "autofs does not work with directory after mount point" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1070078
[15:16] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1093473 in munin (main) "munin does not depend on libcgi-fast-perl" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1093473
[16:00] <samba35> hi
[16:00] <samba35> :p
[17:14] <TheLordOfTime> geez, php5 takes AGES to build :/
[17:29] <patdk-lap> like 15min
[17:30] <TheLordOfTime> its been at it for at least 30 on the PPA builders...
[17:56] <TheLordOfTime> eesh...
[17:56] <TheLordOfTime> patdk-lap, took an hour and 30 minutes to build o.O
[20:24] <koolhead17> Its already 25 Dec for me hence am wishing all my fellow server team folks happy Christmas :)
[21:13] <lvmer> I seem to have forgotten the command to rmdir   for a directory that is not empty.   rmdir -R -ignore.....  /directory   does not work
[21:15] <lvmer> ah found it:   rm -rf /directory    for anyone that has the problem in the future
[21:24] <lvmer> 1 more question: I'm mounting a Raid10 logical volume in /etc/fstab. Should I set the dump to 0 or 1? Is there a purpose to this backing up option?
[21:25] <lvmer> Am I invisible or does no one like my questions? :p


[02:00] <waylundy> heard kde was stable now, and 16.10 fixed many issues found in 16.04.....
[02:00] <waylundy> found some things crashing already
[02:01] <waylundy> which has been a bummer bv i've been enjoying it otherwise
[02:01] <waylundy> korganizer crashin'
[02:01] <waylundy> instant messing crashing
[02:02] <waylundy> connecting a second monitor makes it act funny, default panel disappears, doesn't register new default monitor
[02:02] <sintre> 16.04.2 isn't live yet
[02:02] <sintre> i too have had duel monitor issues , most people have
[02:02] <waylundy> is this thing using wayland?
[02:02] <sintre> lets give it a few days , i have a odd problem with wifi netowkr connection app
[02:02] <waylundy> thats fedora right?
[02:03] <sintre> n clue about either
[02:03] <waylundy> but hell is it gorgeous
[02:03] <sintre> i aslo have certain apps that won't even open ect.
[02:03] <waylundy> esp. dark theme
[02:03] <waylundy> damn that stinks sintre
[02:04] <waylundy> are they the kde apps or others?
[02:04] <sintre> well i had a failed bug , which problally was on me for not checking the copy compared to the iso itself
[02:04] <sintre> others and some kde
[02:04] <waylundy> sheesh
[02:04] <sintre> i haven't upgraded this sytem yet
[02:04] <waylundy> i wonder if neon is more stable since it is more stripped down
[02:05] <sintre> still 16.04.1
[02:05] <waylundy> yeah, i heard it was buggy hence me going with 16.10
[02:05] <sintre> like imagemagik crashes un graphics won't even load
[02:05] <sintre> i honestly haven't gne thru all
[02:06] <waylundy> i heard on an interview on brian lunduke yt show, that kde developers want to make kde the "most productive desktop"
[02:06] <sintre> start up disk creator still fk****
[02:06] <waylundy> i haven't experience that to be the case.
[02:06] <waylundy> sheesh
[02:06] <waylundy> i gave up on start up disk creator a long time ago lol
[02:06] <sintre> its has alot of features that are usefull if that paticular person has use for said feature
[02:06] <waylundy> i think last time it worked really well for me was......9.10, 10.04 lol
[02:07] <sintre> i think duel monitor iissues is something they need to get fixed
[02:07] <waylundy> yeah, i think the lens is most productive = most configureable for any given work flow
[02:07] <sintre> but supposed its kick the can , thats i heard a qt team problem
[02:07] <sintre> for year you could ignore it , but every comptuer sold now will have the ability to out , so it like they're 10 years behind
[02:07] <waylundy> i think they should give up on some of the apps
[02:08] <sintre> i think they keep some out of tradition , but i agree they should ditch anything that doesn't have support
[02:08] <waylundy> to free up more time for more polish.
[02:08] <sintre> as i'm done complaining about half of them so i guess people just get ussed to work arounds
[02:09] <waylundy> i've wondered about getting mircast for a second monitor lol
[02:09] <waylundy> how is that for a workaround
[02:09] <waylundy> yeah,
[02:09] <sintre> better have identical resolutions
[02:09] <waylundy> yikes.
[02:10] <waylundy> guess another work around
[02:10] <waylundy> hah
[02:10] <sintre> clone displays as i know still won't output in the targt resolution unless identical to the host computers
[02:10] <waylundy> ah
[02:10] <waylundy> nm
[02:10] <sintre> so basicly you get crap display on one or the other
[02:11] <sintre> thats still in newest as well
[02:11] <sintre> but i still love kubuntu lol , way to much time investd in it
[02:11] <sintre> and i do my best to try to report issues
[02:11] <sintre> not always succesful though
[02:11] <waylundy> ive been a de whore
[02:11] <waylundy> jumped all over
[02:12] <waylundy> i was on mate for a while
[02:12] <waylundy> before that gnome 3
[02:12] <waylundy> then before that, i really wantedto make unity work
[02:13] <waylundy> and for a while i stuck through the growing pains
[02:13] <waylundy> how long you've been on kde?
[02:13] <sintre> well unfortately its like kick the blame can around
[02:14] <waylundy> hah that is a good way to put it
[02:14] <sintre> 4 years
[02:14] <waylundy> have you played around w solus ?
[02:14] <waylundy> or elementary?
[02:14] <sintre> but wasn't until last october when i forced to buy a new laptop that i got invo,lved in chats and learning more than how to update firefox lol
[02:14] <waylundy> i have a machine on each....
[02:14] <sintre> oon those two no sry i can't say i have
[02:15] <waylundy> yeah, after i get a new job and settled in i plan on learning how to code, and start reporting bugs and helping out
[02:15] <sintre> i hated windows 10 so much after it decided to update myself i installed kubuntu side by side on new laptop
[02:15] <waylundy>  i wanna learn more too...i just got on the irc thing myself.
[02:15] <sintre> i'll deal with work arounds before total control
[02:15] <waylundy> SERIOUSLY!
[02:16] <sintre> yea
[02:16] <waylundy> my dad is on win10 and they are literally popping up ads about microsoft 2016
[02:17] <waylundy> updates when it pleases w/o giving you all the details of what is going on
[02:17] <waylundy> no no no no no
[02:17] <sintre> besides it senidng everything you do to "homebase" the last aniversary edition made the cantora ai thing un removable , or made it uninstalable i should say
[02:17] <sintre> before you could turn it off completely
[02:17] <sintre> i don't want a program learning my "patterns"
[02:17] <waylundy> i literally try to avoid my macbook air as well, only using it for video editing
[02:17] <waylundy> yeah exactly....
[02:18] <sintre> yea but like alot of people here i'm the go to guy for friends and family for tgech support
[02:18] <waylundy> the one thing i do wish i had native was something like Onenote....yep same here.
[02:18] <sintre> so i need an install because i don't use it enough to talk anybody thru anything off the top of my head
[02:18] <waylundy> and for my church
[02:20] <sintre> actually next wibn10 update supposedly they're gonna lock it so you can't even roll back to a lesser version
[02:20] <waylundy> yeah not surprising
[02:20] <sintre> so control just got out of control
[02:20] <waylundy> scary stuff
[02:20] <sintre> nd i'm sure it'll screw my grub loader up as well , so more barrel of laughs
[02:21] <sintre> but so far kubuntu has held on lol
[02:21] <sintre> less time you give win 10 safer i am i guess
[02:21] <sintre> which is sad i'm scared of what a os might do ,
[02:21] <waylundy> yeah, i'm dual booting but just recently i had a "dcp Watchdog " error , so it doesn't let me get in my system unless i do a bunch of reboots
[02:22] <sintre> win 8 or 10 , or still holding on to 7?
[02:22] <sintre> ohh yea they shut down all windows 7 support hom version too
[02:22] <waylundy> win 10, originally out of curiousity
[02:22] <sintre> just forcing people to spywarewindows version 10
[02:23] <waylundy> then over the years i just got sick of it, esp. how shitty our gov. has been creeping in our stuff through these companies
[02:23] <sintre> only good thing is the linux user number will sky rocket
[02:23] <sintre> i switched over to linux as primary when they shut down xp support
[02:24] <waylundy> heard system76 website almost crashed at a recent apple unvailing
[02:24] <waylundy> ah
[02:24] <sintre> i've honestly never owned a single apple pc or phone
[02:24] <waylundy> yeah im on linux 90% of the time
[02:24] <sintre> and i'm proud of that
[02:25] <waylundy> well, im starting to consider going back to android but that stuff has google spyware all over it too
[02:25] <sintre> i have no choice to use it on my phone
[02:25] <sintre> but i have nothing on my phone
[02:25] <waylundy> i wish there were better options for those who want a phone that is free from that stuff and still be a smartphone.
[02:25] <sintre> i uses a cheapo 30 wanna be andoid smart phone i gtot for free not to cancel my service with virgin mobile
[02:26] <waylundy> i actually went to an old school bb 9900 not too long ago
[02:26] <waylundy>  but it had shitty reception for gsm
[02:27] <waylundy> i actually loved it, it felt great felt like time went by slower and had more focus....damn youtube app is constantly getting me
[02:27] <waylundy> my wife was getting pissed my phone calls kept dropping
[02:27] <waylundy> lol
[02:27] <sintre> i kinda had to upgrade because of a credit card company as well used a flip phone
[02:28] <sintre> couldn't text
[02:28] <waylundy> yeah i needed text, hence the bb full keyboard.
[02:28] <sintre> for fraud protection reason theyll send you a text and say answer 1 back if you are try to make this purchase
[02:28] <sintre> and aother anooying crap like that
[02:28] <waylundy> ah yeah
[02:29] <sintre> until thier system "learns" your spending patterns
[02:29] <waylundy> also when i get more time, wanna get nextcloud installed
[02:29] <sintre> i had a card shut down for buying  atoilet plunger once then going to burger king
[02:29] <sintre> i'm like really?
[02:29] <waylundy> lol
[02:29] <sintre> supposedly i'm on the prowl with the card lol
[02:29] <waylundy> well, sometimes those fast food places get ya, and the next purchase is that
[02:30] <waylundy> surprised they didn't think that was natural
[02:30] <sintre> gyuuess fast food is cc fraud central thieves get hungry
[02:30] <waylundy> do you use nextcloud?
[02:30] <sintre> lets move over to kubuntu-offtopic
[02:31] <waylundy> ah ok
[07:19] <user|99785> how to screensaver
[08:27] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:49] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:44] <kustodian> Would it help you guys if I reported bugs for the Kubuntu development version? I managed to upgrade to the development version by mistake :D
[13:48] <lordievader> kustodian: Yes, ofcourse.
[13:48] <lordievader> !bugs | kustodian
[13:49] <lordievader> Simply mark the right version.
[13:49] <kustodian> cool, thx
[13:49] <kustodian> since I'm on it by mistake, why not get the best of it
[13:49] <kustodian> I feel like I'm using Arch, every day there are updates xD
[13:58] <Guest63310> how to backup my apps/softwares installed in my system?
[14:18] <hateball> Guest63310: do you mean to clone to another system or backup your entire machine?
[14:18] <Guest63310> save my apps
[14:18] <Guest63310> like latex; vagrant etc.
[14:20] <Guest63310> #hateball
[14:20] <hateball> Guest63310: I see you're crossposting in #ubuntu so I'll let them help you
[14:21] <Guest63310> you're right, but will it work in kubuntu
[14:22] <hateball> Guest63310: yes
[14:22] <Guest63310> thank you
[15:04] <kustodian> lordievader: I reported here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-desktop/+bug/1665668, but I can't seem to find a way to select a version of Kubuntu/Ubuntu
[15:36] <lordievader> kustodian: You really want to add more info. What did you do, what did you expect, what happend? What version of plasma, kubuntu, etc were you using.
[15:36] <lordievader> Read the reporting bugs link of earlier ;)
[15:37] <kustodian> lordievader: I know how to report detailed bug reports, but I just didn't do anything, just upgraded to the development version
[15:37] <kustodian> doesn't work from when I upgraded :(
[15:37] <kustodian> I tried removing it, adding it again, etc
[15:37] <kustodian> nothing helped
[15:38] <lordievader> Still, this bug report will likely be ignored...
[15:38] <kustodian> I thought it was a bug in the latest KDE version
[15:38] <kustodian> do you have the latest one?
[15:38] <kustodian> does Icon Only work for you?
[15:39] <kustodian> I mean right click does it work
[16:29] <lordievader> kustodian: On my Plasma 5.9.2 on Gentoo it works fine.
[16:29] <kustodian> I'm on 5.9.1, don't see .2 update yet
[16:30] <lordievader> Kubuntu might not have it yet ;)
[16:30] <kustodian> I tried it on a new user, still the same.
[16:30] <kustodian> we'll see what happens when they update to .2
[17:07] <acheronuk> kustodian: plasma in 17.04 is in a bit in a half/half state with some having updated to 5.9.1 and some still 5.8.5. reason being that we can upload it, but it takes time (and crowbars) to run all the archives QA and migration tests. ideally you would have the whole of plasma migrate to release in one go, but the system is not really designed for big package suites of 40-70 source packages, so you will end up with a transitional state where
[17:07] <acheronuk> some features may be broken for a while
[17:09] <acheronuk> for example: http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/ka-iron-hand_reports/plasma_archive/5.9.1_zesty_proposed_migration.pdf
[17:10] <acheronuk> at a guess, I would say plasma workspace still being 5.8.5 in release may be the cause.
[17:11] <acheronuk> my full plasma release from our testing packages has no such issue
[17:16] <kustodian> acheronuk: thx, I guessed it will have issues like that, since it's development :D
[17:19] <acheronuk> kustodian: indeed. it's frustratingly slow to get a full plasma, frameworks or apps release all migrated to matching versions, but the release team get grumpy if we skip too many QA tests to speed it up (rightly so).
[18:48] <prichard> For some reason KMail will not show my IMAP account, can anyone help? I've looked at every menu  option and option I could and cannot get it to show my IMAP account
[18:49] <prichard> It just shows Local Folders
[19:50] <iac_sam> Hi there! I would like to ask about plasma version in Kubuntu 17.04
[19:51] <iac_sam> whean i apt-cache search for "plasma-desktop" i get: Version: 4:5.9.1-0ubuntu1
[19:51] <iac_sam> but in sysinfo there is still 8.5 version
[19:52] <iac_sam> >>kinfocenter, not sysinfo
[21:26] <MichaelTunnell> how to start the akonadi service if it isnt currently running
[21:27] <MichaelTunnell> no command seems to exist for starting it so I suppose systemd thing but not sure
[21:30] <MichaelTunnell> nevermind needed it for zanshin but zanshin is super old in Kubuntu/Ubuntu so it doesnt even support Qt5 yet so meh oh well.
[21:44] <marketa> hello! I have a laptop with i3 CPU, how is it possible that lspci doesnt show the integrated intel GPU ??
[21:45] <marketa> i have checked the specs of the CPU and it indeed has an integrated GPU
[21:50] <marketa> please help?
[22:29] <honza_> what is this?


[10:45] <Kilos> o/
[13:35] <pavlushka> o/
[16:12] <inetpro> hi pavlushka
[16:13] <pavlushka> hello
[16:13] <inetpro> how are you doing today?
[17:26] <pavlushka> inetpro: sorry I went for dinner, I'm fine, you?
[17:32] <inetpro> no worries pavlushka, all die good here as well, just very cold again
[17:53] <pavlushka> we have only 2 months for cold here, and that is still 4 months to come
[18:33] <pavlushka> night night
[19:14] <inetpro> Good night


[00:49] <shtylman> Riddell: I am looking at the printer mockups..and it seems that the only thing really todo is make an icon list instead of a tree view... is that right? or am I missing what else should be done?
[01:05] <ryanakca> Hurray, Frescobaldi and Kobby are now in Debian NEW, sync time :)
[01:14] <ryanakca> s/NEW/{unstable,experimental}/
[02:02] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: it's in kubuntu-ppa/experimental for karmic if you wish to test
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> yay, latest langpack update makes everything look splendid in Spanish
[02:57] <vorian> lies
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> yo quiero taco bell
[02:59] <JontheEchidna> hmm.... in application menus, the keyboard shortcut designations aren't translated
[03:00] <vorian> taco bell killed that poor dog a week or so ago
[03:03] <JontheEchidna> a true symbol of the 90s
[03:04] <JontheEchidna> ;__:
[03:18] <nixternal> haha, yo quiero taco bell!!!! \o/ ROFL@!)***~*#@!@# that poor dog died last week :(
[03:20] <vorian> yo nixternal!
[03:21] <maco> vorian: no you're steve. rich is nixternal
[03:21] <vorian> maco: why the hate from OLF?
[03:21] <vorian> they must really hate me or something :P
[03:22] <maco> vorian: nothing personal. we were told to each pick out the 5 "omg must have" beginner and 5-7 "omg must have" intermediate/advanced talks (+a few "um...no." talks) and i get the impression im not the only one who went "5? you want me to pick only 5???"
[03:22] <vorian> ah, well
[03:23] <vorian> it's ok
[03:23] <maco> 4 or 5 people submitted the same thing, so all but one of them were rejected
[03:23] <maco> i think jorge was the one accepted
[03:23] <vorian> 5 talks on Kubuntu!
[03:23] <vorian> that's awesome
[03:23] <maco> it was about how to build a community around your project
[03:23] <vorian> how silly
[03:24] <maco> hehe i dont mean 4 or 5 submitted same as you :P just that there were 4 or 5 people who all somehow ended up on the same wavelength
[03:24] <vorian> I was being a tad sarcastic
[03:24] <maco> oh
[03:25] <maco> text
[03:25] <vorian> :)
[03:25] <vorian> i may be the only person living in ohio that usues Kubuntu
[03:26] <vorian> I have a feeling that will change starting in October
[03:26] <maco> you were the only kubuntu proposal
[03:26] <vorian> I figured it was a long shot :)
[03:26] <maco> ...wait what the heck in the beginner list was more interesting than you?
[03:27] <vorian> it's really ok maco, i'm moving next friday
[03:27] <maco> well im pretty sure i voted for you
[03:28]  * vorian hugs maco
[03:28] <vorian> are you doing a talk this year?
[03:28] <maco> yes i did vote for you. and yes i am.
[03:28] <vorian> coolio
[03:29] <maco> dan was waitlisted
[03:29] <vorian> what!
[03:30] <vorian> that's crazy
[03:30] <maco> his was on how to be a good/useful beta tester
[03:31] <vorian> that's a great topic
[03:31] <maco> and his cat just bit me
[03:31] <vorian> ouch
[03:32] <maco> she didnt bite hard. it was a warning bite
[03:32] <maco> "stop petting RIGHT THIS INSTANT...OR ELSE"
[03:32] <dtchen> it was quite a bit more specific than "how to be a good/useful beta tester"
[03:32] <maco> i know but i didnt want to paste 6 lines of proposal into the channel
[03:32] <dtchen> that's ok. it's olf's loss ;-)
[03:33] <maco> if youre offered the friday thing will you take it?
[03:33] <dtchen> fwiw, if i speak, i will be covering kubuntu use cases specifically
[03:33] <dtchen> (though not exclusively)
[03:33] <dtchen> uh, no. i'm in charge of the hackathon.
[03:35] <vorian> yay
[03:36] <maco> oh
[03:36] <maco> forgot that
[03:36] <maco> hey vorian youre still coming right?
[03:36] <vorian> i've noticed dtchen has yet to sign my key
[03:36] <maco> and nixternal?
[03:36] <maco> vorian: he hasnt signed MY key yet
[03:36] <vorian> maco: i'll be living in Idaho
[03:36] <nixternal> I don't sign keys, I eat them!
[03:36] <vorian> wow
[03:36] <maco> vorian: eek
[03:36] <nixternal> Idapimp
[03:37] <vorian> I da pimp
[03:37] <vorian> yeah, i'm pumped!
[03:37] <maco> ok then... hey nixternal
[03:37] <nixternal> no, you said "Idaho"
[03:37] <maco> nixternal: what dan said about hackathon...
[03:37] <nixternal> sounds like a bad jerry lewis dream
[03:37] <vorian> nixternal: mind if I use you as a referral?  (new resume and all)
[03:37] <nixternal> go for it!
[03:37] <vorian> schweet, thanks
[03:37] <maco> we want the hackathon to not be "The AFS Hackathon" instead be "The Hackathon" and then people all in one room at a bunch of tables hacking on their respective projects. wanna put Kubuntu as one of the projects?
[03:37] <nixternal> I will tell them all about what you do to sheep!
[03:38] <vorian> :o
[03:38] <dtchen> nixternal: what you don't know is that you're starring!
[03:38] <nixternal> not at OLF, I probably won't be going, 99.9% sure I won't be going
[03:38] <maco> doh
[03:39] <maco> 'm i gonna be the only kubuntu user?
[03:39] <nixternal> maybe I should say 95% sure
[03:39] <dtchen> uh,, no?
[03:39] <maco> dtchen: oh duh. youll be there :P
[03:40] <vorian> just wait until OLF 2010, most people will be using Kubuntu
[03:40] <vorian> or More than 3
[03:41] <dtchen> well, once Kubuntu Netbook is released, i think there will be considerably expanded recognition
[03:42] <vorian> yes - and once 10.04 comes out - people will be flocking to a non-gnome alternative :)
[03:42] <dtchen> JontheEchidna: so, have you considered daily builds of networkmanagement?
[03:43] <JontheEchidna> I don't have the script-fu necessary to automate things like that :(
[03:44] <dtchen> JontheEchidna: talk to fta, who does the black magic for all the mozilla stuff.
[03:44] <dtchen> if it were git, it'd be considerably easier, since you could snarf apw's kernel scripts
[03:45] <dtchen> speaking of which, maybe you can just look at those: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/buildscripts.git;a=summary
[03:46] <dtchen> it's likely not all that useful without major modification, but you can at least get some idea
[03:46] <dtchen> barring that, i have some _extremely_ hacky junk that i use at work that i can pass you
[03:46] <dtchen> it's really the last resort, however
[03:59] <vorian> JontheEchidna: got time to look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/scantailor ?
[03:59] <JontheEchidna> vorian: sure
[03:59] <vorian> awesome
[03:59]  * vorian is reviewing too
[04:01] <JontheEchidna> whoa, apparently I dl'd the old revu package before, but I don't ever recall doign that
[04:05] <vorian> ha
[04:05] <vorian> it was rejected via queue admin
[04:05] <JontheEchidna> by our very on Jonathan who is not me (tm)
[04:08] <vorian> ah!
[04:10] <vorian> JontheEchidna: i'm having him bump boost to 1.38
[04:15] <JontheEchidna> getting a bit late, but the packaging looks sound fwiw. Other than that boost thing I'd upload if it builds
[04:19] <JontheEchidna> I guess I'll do the second revu tomorrow unless it's been done already
[07:14] <micmord> A silly question. In my old karmic installation i got phon as audio backend. I reinstalled from karmic-alpha3 cd and now I have pulseaudio instead of phonon. What is the default kubuntu audio backend?
[07:15] <micmord> s/phon/phonon/
[07:33] <jussi01> Curious to know if this is a bug, but with the new knetwork manager, when Im connected to ethernet, it shows a disconnected cord... is that correct? (it is connected though)
[07:40] <micmord> jussi01: bug 404309 ?
[07:40] <jussi01> micmord: ahh, thanks :D
[08:35] <micmord> At all konversation users - I got this: bug 410164
[08:35] <micmord> ops: bug 410163
[08:39] <apachelogger> I was wondering ... to alternate synaptics touchpad settings one needs to enable SHM, however, would that work just as well without SHM but sudo?
[08:39] <apachelogger> if so, wouldn't it be desirable to use policykit?
[08:41] <apachelogger> micmord: is that $HOME pre-defined?
[08:42] <apachelogger> if so, it probably should be changed to not be pre-defined, other than that I do not see why $HOME should expand considering that konvi assumes the path is always in $HOME
[08:44] <micmord> apachelogger: I think so
[08:45] <apachelogger> that is not very convincing ;-)
[08:45] <micmord> apachelogger: i got that problem also with konvertation alpha4
[08:46] <apachelogger> yep yep
[08:47] <micmord> starting the 6 august... maybe kde 4.3
[08:53] <apachelogger> okay
[08:54] <apachelogger> src/viewer/chatwindow.cpp ChatWindow::cdIntoLogPath
[08:55] <apachelogger> cds into $HOME
[08:55] <apachelogger> then adds the configured file path and tries to cd/create that new path
[08:56] <micmord> apachelogger: I have $HOME/.kde/... in three pc, so I am sure i didn't change the default path
[08:56] <apachelogger> but then there is ... ./src/config/konversation.kcfg:      <default code="true">QDir::homePath()+"/logs"</default>
[08:57] <apachelogger> the thing is... that does not fit our settings ;-)
[08:57] <apachelogger> since konvi on karmic goes to $HOME/.kde.... while upstream would be $HOME/logs/
[09:01] <apachelogger> micmord: I recommend you talk to someone in #konversation
[09:01] <apachelogger> or wait for JontheEchidna to show up
[09:01] <apachelogger> I find that issue quite strange
[09:02] <micmord> apachelogger: copy that
[09:13] <Riddell> neversfelde: bug 404839 uploaded
[09:14] <Riddell> neversfelde: debdiffs are generally better than uploading the .diff.gz
[09:16] <davmor2> Riddell: I want to file a bug again folderview and ublog but I can't find a package name what are they under please.
[09:20] <apachelogger> davmor2: folderview is kdebase
[09:20] <davmor2> apachelogger: is ublog the same?
[09:20] <apachelogger> nah
[09:21] <apachelogger> kdeplasma-addons
[09:21] <davmor2> apachelogger: ta :)
[09:27] <apachelogger> ScottK: for mime to work in firefox libgnomevfs is needed it appears
[09:28] <apachelogger> we can't pipe printing through the qt print dialog since there is no binary that could be called like kdeprint
[09:29] <apachelogger> huh, the font size is ridiculously big here :D
[09:30] <davmor2> apachelogger: do you think I need to write a separate bug for ublog or is it okay to keep the 2 appa that disappear lumped together bug 410179
[09:31] <apachelogger> davmor2: make it affect kdeplasma-addons
[09:31] <apachelogger> the thing is... since both are affected it might very well be unrelated to the widgets themselfs but a bug in the plasma lib
[09:32] <apachelogger> but since both are patched by us (I think), it might also be a patch problem
[09:33] <neversfelde> Riddell: k, thank you. Will upload them in future
[09:35] <davmor2> don't know what happen then
[09:36] <davmor2> apachelogger: sorry you were say it might be lib plasma
[09:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: shall I upload plasma-netbook?
[09:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: if the packaging is fine :)
[09:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, kontrolpack's binaries in karmic are waiting in new *hint* *hint* :)
[09:47] <Riddell> are they now, if only it was my archive day I'd approve them.  of course I can always be bribed with hugs
[09:49] <Riddell> "Description: blah"  that may need expanding :)
[09:49] <apachelogger> hugs? hmmm....
[09:49]  * apachelogger cuddles the Riddell
[09:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: I knew there was something about the packaging that needed a second opinion ;-)
[09:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: about that arora-bookmarks patch: I think we should hide the toolbar by default... I am probably not much of an example to go by, but I got quite disturbed by the fact that unused space between menu and toolbar was bigger than between toolbar and tabs
[09:54] <apachelogger> whereas the latter would be the emptied bookmarks bar
[09:57] <apachelogger> neversfelde: why does choqok have a LTR RTL setting?
[09:57]  * apachelogger would think that this stuff is done via the desktop settings
[10:01] <neversfelde> apachelogger: what is a LTR RTL setting?
[10:01] <apachelogger> well, text direction
[10:01] <apachelogger> left to right or right to left
[10:01] <neversfelde> apachelogger: uptream is persian
[10:02] <apachelogger> so?
[10:02] <neversfelde> seems to be important for him
[10:02] <apachelogger> still the setting is probably somewhere to be found in the KDE-wide settings stuff
[10:02] <apachelogger> ohhhh
[10:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes I agree on toolbar hiding
[10:03] <apachelogger> maybe ... like when you have an account for english postings and one for persian or something, so you can get it viewed properly
[10:03] <apachelogger> neversfelde: if that is the reason I think the setting should not be shown in the dialog for initial account setup
[10:03] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I guess he has an egnlish system and some apps where he writes farsi instead of english are ready for writing right to left
[10:03] <apachelogger> it is a rather limited usecase, since most people only use native anyway\
[10:04] <apachelogger> neversfelde: well, I am not generally saying the feature should go, I just think it is too visible upon first start
[10:04] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I will talk to him about that. Anyway 0.6.5 is ready to release afaik, so it is not urgent
[10:04] <apachelogger> and you know how it is, the more stuff you ask the user the less likely he will finish the initial setup ;-)
[10:05] <neversfelde> and I am on the road for the next 2 and a half week :)
[10:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: how about this: fill the toobar with Kubuntu/Ubuntu/KDE content but hide it, so if someone chooses to activate it, they will still get a good amount of branding and direction towards system information
[10:06] <apachelogger> neversfelde: so who is going to do the package update? :P
[10:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm not terribly keen on default bookmarks, most of our users shouldn't have their lives orientated around their operating system, but if you think of useful bookmarks that's should be ok
[10:08] <Riddell> ninjas: new KOffice if anyone wants to take it
[10:10] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I have send some changes to bzr, yet. Probably I can complete it when I arrive at my parents house and I can find a computer without windows :)
[10:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: Well, either we fill it with branding content or useful content
[10:11] <apachelogger> i.e. the beloved socialnetwork stuff
[10:11] <apachelogger> neversfelde: bzr also works on windows :P
[10:11] <neversfelde> apachelogger: really? haha, I guess I will need one week to find out how to install
[10:12] <apachelogger> actually there is an installer thingy and integration like for svn
[10:12] <apachelogger> if you ever used svn on windows ;)
[10:12] <neversfelde> nope
[10:13] <apachelogger> well, ask the google, it probably got screenies
[10:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: or just leave it empty?
[10:13] <apachelogger> neversfelde: basically it will integrate in explorer and provide a tray icon (i think)
[10:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, at least one item would be appropriate
[10:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: otherwise the bar is, well, kind of invisible even if the hide setting is unset
[10:15] <apachelogger> so I'd at least add kubuntu.org
[10:16] <Riddell> I don't see what's wrong with it being invisible, it's perfectly easy to find when you're adding bookmarks
[10:16] <apachelogger> well, it _might_ be confusing
[10:17] <apachelogger> really, I never got the point of bookmarks anyway, much less of a bar just to display them
[10:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: sounds like you're just the sort of person who wants to leave it empty :)
[10:18] <apachelogger> I would remove it completely
[10:19] <apachelogger> just wastes my poor memory :P
[10:25] <apachelogger> hm, you know, I find it incredibly funny that ruby1.8 got performance issues due to tcltk crap, but still batpull feels faster than pull-lp-source :P
[10:49] <davmor2> guys I just saw that there were some updates for today (nice little notification) I clicked on select all updates and apply shouldn't it ask for the admin password at that point?
[10:53] <Riddell> agateau: pingping
[11:09]  * apachelogger slips of chair
[11:22] <Riddell> Riddelll: ping
[11:23] <Riddell> Riddelll: ping
[11:23] <Riddell> Riddelll: ping ping
[11:24] <Riddell> Riddelll: ooh
[11:24] <davmor2> Riddell: Have you gone test crazy on two systems by any chance?
[11:26] <Riddelll> davmor2: message indicator is working
[11:26] <Riddelll> agateau is rocking
[11:26] <davmor2> Riddelll: Oh now it all make sense :)
[11:27] <Riddelll> davmor2: ping me baby
[11:27] <davmor2> Riddelll: ping
[11:28] <davmor2> Riddelll: it's saddly worrying that your getting so excited about this ;)
[11:46] <apachelogger> patchy patchy patch patch
[11:58] <Riddell> agateau: bug 410228
[11:59] <agateau> Riddell: yeah!
[12:00] <Riddell> agateau: now we just have to poke someone into doing the MIR
[12:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: so, should I add an entry to the bookmarkstoolbar?
[12:01] <apachelogger> already made it hidden by default
[12:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: I vote for hidden and empty
[12:01] <apachelogger> k
[12:01]  * apachelogger uploads
[12:03] <ghostcube> ok, i dont get my systemsettings bug fixed i just copied an sh script to kde autostart
[12:03] <ghostcube> oO
[12:04] <ghostcube> hi peoples
[12:05] <agateau> Riddell: ok
[12:05]  * agateau assumes MIR stands for "Main Inclusion Request" or something like this
[12:05] <Riddell> yes
[12:05] <Riddell> or Review
[12:06] <Riddell> asac and lool can do them
[12:06] <apachelogger> !MIR
[12:06] <apachelogger> or report :P
[12:06] <Riddell> I note asac just left the room
[12:06] <agateau> apachelogger: nice, my guess was not too far
[12:15] <asac> Riddell: i am still here ;)
[12:15] <asac> oh you mean this romm her ;)
[12:15] <asac> hehe
[12:15] <asac> ok
[12:20] <micmord> apachelogger: about OO.org icons. With default openoffice.org-style-human i don't see any icons. After installing openoffice.org-style-crystal they appear.
[12:21] <apachelogger> eh?
[12:22] <micmord> apachelogger: with fresh kubuntu-alpha3 installation, I haven't any icons on oo.org
[12:22] <apachelogger> sound like fun
[12:22] <apachelogger> ooo should die anyway :P
[12:22] <micmord> taht's true
[12:22] <ghostcube> oo is die hygiene fürs ....
[12:22] <ghostcube> hehe
[12:23] <apachelogger> well
[12:23] <apachelogger> micmord: I suppose we are waiting for oxygen to arrive
[12:23] <Riddell> micmord: that's known, we're waiting on the new release for kde 4 integration
[12:23] <micmord> \o/
[12:24] <ghostcube> btw Riddell thx for the mainline link i installed <IP_ADDRESS> but sensors still doesnt work lol
[12:24] <ghostcube> only thing i needed was an newer nvidia glx and i need my lan drivers
[12:25] <apachelogger> can one create and install a nilfs partition using the live-cd?
[12:32] <micmord> Here the bug 390355
[12:33] <ghostcube> but one thing i dont get why is the atl1 chipset for the asus-p5q-pro maiboard ethernet adapter not in the mainline kernels
[12:42] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Hi! If you still care, you could adapt beta6 to kubuntu (unless it was kicked out of the archive while I wasn't looking)...
[12:47] <ghostcube> is there an irc channel for the mainline kernels
[12:47] <ghostcube> oO
[12:55] <dpm> JontheEchidna: thanks a lot for locating all those untranslated strings! Just one thing: it's better to file them against the kubuntu source package (and perhaps mentioning the kde module) rather than against the language-pack-kde-xx package, since there are lots of them. Usually I think it might be best to assign only l10n bugs to the language-pack-kde-xx package (or more critical i18n bugs affecting a particular language)
[13:10] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: sure
[13:10] <JontheEchidna> dpm: the thing about that Open Terminal string in dolphin, it is properly l10n'd. Maybe it's a rosetta bug?
[13:11] <JontheEchidna> action->setText(i18nc("@action:inmenu Tools", "Open &Terminal"));
[13:19] <ryanakca> Can someone take care of bug 410257 please?
[13:20] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Thanks!
[13:20] <mornfall> See ya.
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> ryanakca: acking
[13:32] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: thanks
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> bug 410273
[13:58]  * apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna in the eye
[13:58] <apachelogger> see my earlier monologue about the $HOME issue in konvi
[13:59] <apachelogger> patching is not indicated at all
[13:59] <apachelogger> just make the defaults fit the new code
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> aah, ok
[14:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we need to give kubuntu-bugs some more appeal
[14:17] <ryanakca> Does anybody have the time / interest in helping me figure out why http://packages.debian.org/sid/frescobaldi builds in jaunty but not karmic?
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: mind sponsoring k-d-s bzr?
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> oh, but first I should test the fix
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> brb
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yay, it works
[14:30] <apachelogger> \o/
[14:30] <apachelogger> shm hates me
[14:42] <maco> apachelogger: why are you using shm?
[14:43] <maco> didnt i see something recently about current -synaptics not having it?
[14:45] <sebas> Riddell: have you patched kickoff to change the names of suspend and hibernate actions?
[14:45] <sebas> I'm noticiing (after someone emails me) that it's different between my kubuntu and my trunk install
[14:46] <sebas> If so, is that planned for ksmserver as well?
[14:46] <sebas> And could you pass that upstream, I'd be in favor of merging it, if I didn't miss anything crucial
[14:51] <Riddell> sebas: yes I patched something, I think it was kickoff and powerdevil which I thought I'd put upstream, I may well have missed ksmserver though
[14:52] <sebas> Riddell: ksmserver seems to be inconsistent with kickoff and powerdevil/plasma in kubuntu
[14:52] <sebas> kickoff is different from upstream at least
[14:52] <allee-m> sebas: about susp. and hiber.:   With alt-ctrl-del can access susp and hiber only as submenues of shutdown'.  Will this (should I) fix it?
[14:52] <sebas> If you have that patch handy ... :)
[14:53] <sebas> allee-m: hmm, dunno ... it would make sense to have a "default switch computer off action" IMO
[14:53] <sebas> So you go "off means always suspend"
[14:53] <sebas> So the main button in ksmserver should IMO reflect that
[14:54] <sebas> Who maintains ksmserver? Is that ossi?
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> Either ossi or seli
[15:12] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: nm plasmoid in experimental had the same problem for me as the other day, it doesn't do anything with wireless
[15:12] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: but also, cry https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/network-manager/0.8~a~git.20090804t185522.4bab334-0ubuntu1
[15:12] <Riddell> so it'll be entirely broken now anyway
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> we are sooo royally screwed
[15:12] <Riddell> mm hmm
[15:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: ok if I upload kdebase-workspace?
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> If they feel like shoving experimental crap like that down our throats then at the least they should make a Solid backend for 0.8, or revert the new version.
[15:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: if it builds :)
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> because I can't imagine that KDE'll want to make a 0.8 backend anytime soon
[15:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what is the fuzz about?
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: nm team uploaded NM 0.8, we are screwed
[15:17] <Riddell> their argument is that 0.7 is abandoned upstream
[15:18] <allee-k> JontheEchidna: _if_ gnome would use the new systray protocol, then AFAIU KDE would have to do nothing ;)
[15:18] <apachelogger> hm
[15:18] <apachelogger> you know
[15:18] <apachelogger> I am sick of it
[15:19] <apachelogger> I have a feeling that some kubuntu dev will go wild and revert back to 0.7
[15:19]  * JontheEchidna doesn't see what systrays have to do with it
[15:19]  * JontheEchidna would be in support of a revert
[15:19] <Riddell> not that the 0.7 version worked very well anyway
[15:20] <apachelogger> better than not working at all
[15:20] <apachelogger> not working will be super useless once beta goes out
[15:20] <apachelogger> I am wondering what sebas thinks we should do
[15:21] <apachelogger> maybe bitching, moaning and switching to mandriva is the ultimate solution
[15:21] <Riddell> he thinks we should use nm-applet
[15:22] <Riddell> and currently I think it's the only option, although it goes against everything Kubuntu is for
[15:22] <apachelogger> well
[15:22] <apachelogger> screw that
[15:22] <apachelogger> what is kubuntu worth if it doesnt work
[15:22] <apachelogger> just my opinion
[15:23] <Riddell> mind that this isn't a kubuntu problem, it's a KDE problem, we can only do what KDE offers
[15:23] <sebas> apachelogger: I haven't looked at NM 0.8 at all
[15:24] <sebas> Will said, I think "I'll wait until release, they're not even feature frozen atm"
[15:24] <yuriy> uhoh
[15:24] <apachelogger> well, from my point of view upstream nor kubuntu should be using nm to begin with
[15:24] <apachelogger> one way or another we will always be one step behind nm-applet
[15:24] <sebas> Why not?
[15:25] <apachelogger> and I don't see how that is changing any time soon
[15:25] <sebas> Well, the UI bits we have now don't depend on NM anyway
[15:25] <sebas> The NM specific part is a kded module that offers a dbus interface
[15:25] <sebas> the UI uses a client lib to interact with that, the kded module is interchangeable (wicd, NM, connman at some point)
[15:25] <apachelogger> yeah, a step in the right direction really
[15:26] <sebas> Indeed, it's got two advantages: NM internals are really complex, we want to hide that
[15:26] <sebas> and we don't depend on NM itself
[15:26] <yuriy> sebas: maybe Will can take a look at 0.8 and give us an idea of how much work it would be to port?
[15:27] <sebas> yuriy: if it's not feature-frozen, it doesn't make a lot of sense IMO
[15:27] <sebas> if nm0.8 scheduled for karmic?
[15:27] <sebas> and replacing nm 0.7?
[15:27] <apachelogger> sebas: a git snapshot currently _is_ in karmic
[15:27] <sebas> ah, wow.
[15:27] <sebas> That's ... not exactly handy
[15:28] <apachelogger> :/
[15:29] <allee-k> JontheEchidna: do you plan to work again on bug 389744 anytime soon?   I ponder if I give aseigos suggestion a try ...
[15:29] <Riddell> guys: I chatted to ubuntu nm folks and they're saying they will look at it
[15:31] <allee-k> kubntu ninjas: is there a command like apt-get source that  download source + bzr co lp: instead of diff.gz ?
[15:31] <Riddell> also suse will be switching to 0.8 so knetworkmanager should switch too
[15:31] <apachelogger> allee-k: gypsy form kde-dev-tools
[15:32] <Riddell> allee-k: most packages now have bzr imports in launchpad actually
[15:32] <apachelogger> though, I think gypsy is missing some branch locations :P
[15:32] <Riddell> bzr co lp:ubuntu/<package>
[15:33] <allee-k> Riddell, apachelogger:  ahh, so much changed in the last year to the better (beside nm ;)  thx
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> allee-k: feel free to take over, I've not had time
[15:43] <allee-k> JontheEchidna: ok.  In case I'm manage to enhance the patch  I'll reassign
[15:45] <ryanakca> Riddell: What needs to be done for the settings for the two plasmoids under "Social from the Start" on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Karmic ?
[15:48] <Riddell> ryanakca: microblog is fine I think, opendesktop needs code changes to make it not try to connect before it has an account but to show the "users near me" without an account
[15:49] <ryanakca> Riddell: OK
[15:50] <Riddell> also to work out why it doesn't respect its minimum size
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: could I trouble you with bug 410273?
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> huh, wonder why requestsync let me confirm that/subscribe the archive admins, I'm no core-dev
[15:52] <jjesse> maybe you just got promoted :)
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> haha, yeah
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> that'd be funny
[15:53] <ryanakca> Riddell: what package is it in?
[15:53] <Riddell> ryanakca: kdeplasma-addons
[16:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: for some reason the installer needed >1 minute to switch from timezone to keyboard
[16:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: also he new UI is somewhat sluggish on my dell mini
[16:30] <nixternal> Riddell: feel like re-enabling my Kubuntu Membership? seems to have expired last month without letting me know
[16:31] <ryanakca> Riddell: OK. At the moment, it shows the "Users near me" without an account, the only difference is that is is slightly grayed and there's a "Configure" button over top of it, but clicking / etc. Maybe modify k-d-s to have it display the "Users near me" by default?
[16:31] <Riddell> nixternal: you usually get four days notice, if you're not paying attention then you get kicked out
[16:31] <Riddell> what do we think, should we let nixternal back in?
[16:31] <nixternal> hah, but I do pay attention
[16:32] <jjesse> hrmm he will have to buy me dinner
[16:32] <Riddell> ryanakca: does it actually show any nearby users?
[16:32] <nixternal> I am broke
[16:32] <ryanakca> Riddell: Yes
[16:32] <ryanakca> Riddell: I can try it in a VM, but after deleting my account from the applet, in still does
[16:32] <Riddell> ryanakca: it wasn't doing that for me until after I configured a user account
[16:32] <Riddell> ok good
[16:33] <Riddell> nixternal: you're back in!
[16:34] <nixternal> thank you sir :)
[16:35] <Riddell> anyone on jaunty with 4.3?
[16:35] <nixternal> ahh, I see why I didn't get it...seems LP messages are going to the trash bin
[16:36] <ryanakca> Riddell: Yes
[16:40] <Riddell> ryanakca: now try it with an updated system and killall plasma-desktop; rm ~/.kde/share/config/plasma*; plasma-desktop
[16:45] <nixternal> hrmm, I am still not getting any of my KDE mailing list emails
[16:45] <nixternal> my kde.org email addy is working, and I have gone through and tried to wake up the mailing lists to me without any luck
[16:46] <nixternal> sebas: you know of anything going on that may be causing this ^^ you should be getting an email from me since you are in some of the -owner addresses :)
[16:47] <sebas> nixternal: dunno, maybe you're on vacation globally?
[16:47] <nixternal> I disabled globally and then re-enabled globally to see if that was it and it wasn'
[16:47] <nixternal> I never set it to disabled/vacation globally
[16:47] <sebas> Hm, then I don't know
[16:47] <sebas> ask one of the sysadmins
[16:47] <nixternal> WHAT? I can't believe that dude, you know everything KDE :)
[16:48] <sebas> yeah, but I'm too lazy to help you ;-)
[16:48] <nixternal> ooh nice, Camp KDE 2010 in La Jolla!!!  Pacific Beach, Mission Beach, and La Jolla Beach, in that order as the best beaches out there :)
[16:50] <nixternal> and we can go to Lego Land :)
[16:51] <sebas> How about "we can hack"? :)
[16:51] <nixternal> we can do that too of course
[16:51] <sebas> yeah, if the weather turns out to be bad (riiiiiiiiiiiiight)
[16:51] <nixternal> err, ya january, so no ocean for sure there, but it is still a blast out there
[16:53] <ryanakca> Riddell: Yes... I'm still not much further off that I was though.
[16:54] <Riddell> ryanakca: further off what?
[16:55] <ryanakca> Riddell: It builds / what not fine, I can import the plasma applet from python, but Plasma complains that it can't find the python package.
[16:56] <apachelogger> ewww
[16:56] <apachelogger> today's netbook image is in to too good state
[16:56] <apachelogger> plasma-desktop didn't wanna start and now kdeinit4 crashed without me doing anything at all
[16:57] <apachelogger> s/to/not
[16:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: meh, it shouldn't be any different than the desktop
[16:59] <apachelogger> so the desktop got those problems too? :P
[17:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: not that I know of
[17:04] <ryanakca> Riddell: It must be because I still had my credentials hidden away in some config file. I don't think it's possible to display "Users near me" since it processess the page https://api.opendesktop.org/v1/person/data?latitude=44&longitude=-76&distance=5&page=0&pagesize=64 (insert your lat/long), which requires you to log in to view...
[17:04] <ryanakca> (the openDesktop plugin that is)
[17:05] <JontheEchidna> ^in that case it might be just better to not include the openDesktop widget at all, since the default desktop does seem a bit cramped on smaller screens
[17:06] <Riddell> ryanakca: hmm, fooey
[17:07] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yeah maybe
[17:07] <Riddell> let's remove it for now and I'll e-mail Frank suggesting he make that not need configuration
[17:08] <ryanakca> Riddell: the spec http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/open-collaboration-services strongly recommends authentication, "most services require a authenticated user. this is important for legal reasons. and to prevent DOS attacks. At the moment we support autentification via login/password or an API key."
[17:08]  * ryanakca wishes people would learn to capitalize
[17:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: very weird
[17:10] <apachelogger> anyway
[17:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do we do about blocked updates?
[17:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: why does the software sources dialog instantly apply changes? that is rather un-kdeish, isn't it?
[17:12] <Riddell> ryanakca: hmm right, that means a fail for my "do something interesting without config" plan
[17:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: blocked updates?  in kpackagekit?
[17:12] <apachelogger> yep
[17:12] <apachelogger> bug 342671
[17:13] <maco> so it cant do full-upgrade?
[17:13] <apachelogger> it's like apt-get only supported upgrade but not dist-upgrade
[17:14] <maco> ok so i used aptitude phrasing :P
[17:14] <Riddell> poke glatzor?
[17:14] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: the software sources tool is pretty much a straight-up port of the PyGTK one. It'd be nice to see that rewritten as a KCM
[17:14] <glatzor> Riddell, hello.
[17:14] <ryanakca> Riddell: Bummer
[17:15] <Riddell> glatzor: packagekit and dist-upgrade vs upgrade, what's the status again?
[17:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: more importantly get an apply button :P
[17:15] <Riddell> ryanakca: how does this work for you?  http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-facebook
[17:17] <glatzor> Riddell, in the end it is a policy decision.
[17:17] <glatzor> I was quite busy working on aptdaemon the last weeks. But I plan to donate some time to packagekit the next week.
[17:18] <glatzor> Riddell, will we see kde/qt policykit-1 support in karmic?
[17:18] <ryanakca> Riddell: checking :)
[17:18] <Riddell> glatzor: I've never seen a point in apt-get upgrade, dist-upgrade seems to do what actually wants to be done
[17:18] <Riddell> glatzor: I've not heard anything about policykit-1, want me to ask the policykit-qt authors?
[17:19] <apachelogger> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/karmic-changes/2009-June/003223.html
[17:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: I suppose asking is necessary
[17:20] <apachelogger> hm, I don't like how the kpackagekit's installing dialog constantly switches size
[17:20] <glatzor> Riddell, I will discuss the dist upgrade issue with dantti.
[17:21]  * apachelogger pokes the hide button :P
[17:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think we should drop the quickaccess plasmoid from the netbook setup to increase taskbar space
[17:22] <ryanakca> Riddell: "This object could not be created for the following reason: Could not find requested component: facebook"
[17:23] <ryanakca> Riddell: Actually, that's probably because plasmoidviewer can't find the applet. It doesn't appear in the "Add widget..." window either...
[17:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: well we're changing it to plasma-netbook
[17:24] <apachelogger> that is premature IMHO
[17:24] <Riddell> why?  there's no point in just having a clone of the normal Kubuntu CD
[17:24] <apachelogger> if, at all, they should be both installed, both polished,
[17:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: there is also no point in deploying broken software
[17:25] <allee-k> Riddell: Is there an overview/searchform what is available as lp:ubuntu/<srcpkg>.  kdebase(-workspace), digikam all fail  :(
[17:26] <apachelogger> if the netbook shell should, for whatever reason, not be ready for primetime by karmic release we have to have a fallback that is as suited for the usecase as possible
[17:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/<package>  and click on code
[17:27] <Riddell> allee-k: rather ^^
[17:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: then there's no point in releasing a netbook image at all, people can just use the normal CD image
[17:27] <Riddell> allee-k: only about half the packages are imported so far
[17:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: just that they won't get the apps and settings
[17:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: what apps?
[17:30] <apachelogger> those that have not be added yet
[17:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: if we go with either plasma-netbook or no release, then we won't get the additional buzz
[17:32] <Riddell> there's no buzz to be had from something that's no different from the desktop CD
[17:33] <apachelogger> a) it is different b) you will even get buzz if you tell people that Kubuntu now supports more than one CPU core for various apps
[17:34] <maco> Riddell: the default settings and apps are different
[17:35] <apachelogger> we need to start somewhere, and I rather have people test an image that is pretty similar to the desktop image, so they at least report hardware issues, than do no release
[17:36] <sebas> nixternal: an email to sysadmin@ would've been fine :D
[17:36] <ryanakca> What's our $KDEDIR ?
[17:36] <apachelogger> it shows that kubuntu is dedicated to creating a good netbook image, and eventually will get contributors on board
[17:37] <apachelogger> ryanakca: I don't think we set that
[17:38] <apachelogger> but if we did it was /usr
[17:38] <apachelogger> I suppose at least ;-)
[17:39] <ryanakca> apachelogger: *nod*...
[17:41] <ryanakca> The facebook applet is simple enough that imho, it might be quicker / easier just to rewrite it in C++ than keep stabbing in the dark and trying to figure out where the python plasmoids should go for a system install...
[17:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: more than one CPU core?
[17:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: multiprocessor threading
[17:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: how does it support that?
[17:45] <apachelogger> via the kernel
[17:46] <Riddell> the kernel is the same surely
[17:46] <apachelogger> well, my point is that people usually wanna try new/fancy stuff and be it only for the sake of proofing it old/unfancy
[17:47] <apachelogger> so there will be buzz, unless we don't manage to bring the word of greatness and fancyness out to the world
[17:48] <apachelogger> so in case the netbook shell is not stable enough for karmic, we should release with plasma-desktop, but make it clear that we are dedicated to ship karmic+1 with a lot more improved shell ... blah blah [insert promo talk]
[17:49] <apachelogger> eventually that way the netbook image of karmic+1 will receive even more attention from the more advanced users, since they might wanna know what progress we made etc.
[17:52] <Riddell> I don't see what the new/fancy stuff is, as far as I can see the main feature is the new plasma-netbook UI
[17:54] <apachelogger> there doesn't need to be any, the font size is more suited for netbooking and ScottK and I agree that we probably should be shipping Arora or Firefox, since the netbook is not affected by upgrade scenarios (and thus migration) and got an even greater usecase for a working browser
[17:54] <apachelogger> also it got more lang packs according to ScottK
[17:56] <Riddell> doesn't sound terribly compelling, plus this is alpha time it's ok to ship alpha quality software
[17:56] <apachelogger> yeah, I am all for getting plasma-netbook in and default
[17:57] <apachelogger> but we need to make sure that plasma-desktop is also suited, so it can jump in as fallback if necessary
[18:00] <_Sime> sebas: you there?
[18:00] <_Sime> sebas: ping
[18:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: so can I add plasma-netbook to the seed?  pweese?
[18:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes, what I meant to state in my original statement is to keep plasma-desktop on as well
[18:08] <apachelogger> next step would be to add a switcher plasmoid to both of them, so both can be tested on the fly
[18:15] <nixternal> sebas: phil rodriguez figured it out<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-><EMAIL_ADDRESS>which is bouncing it :)
[18:15]  * nixternal has to fix that now
[18:16]  * apachelogger should also get an kde.org addy :P
[18:17] <nixternal> don't forward it to @ubuntu.com :p
[18:18] <apachelogger> would never do :P
[18:26] <ryanakca> Does anybody have the time / interest in helping me figure out why http://packages.debian.org/sid/frescobaldi builds in jaunty but not karmic?
[18:27] <apachelogger> got a logged build?
[18:33] <ryanakca> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/249345/ ... I've compared the versions to those on packages.ubuntu.com, they all should work...
[18:35] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Nevermind. It's a local issue. I must have messed something up when creating my chroot, my karmic chroot is hardy...
[18:36] <apachelogger> fancy
[18:38] <glatzor> Riddell, I changed upgrade to dist-upgrade
[18:38] <glatzor> Riddell, only packages kept back by dist-upgrade will be shown as blocked
[18:39] <glatzor> Riddell, there is currently now way to show an available update and suggest to not install it
[19:11] <ryanakca> Can someone ack https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/410400 please?
[19:12] <ghostcube> cool new kernel and new nvidia drivers :)
[19:12] <ghostcube> hmm is 2.6.31rc5 ok to test
[19:13] <ghostcube> yeah
[19:13] <ghostcube> asus-p5q-pro
[19:13] <ghostcube> works now with sensors
[19:13] <ghostcube> oo
[19:13] <ghostcube> hehe
[19:13] <ghostcube> sudo modprobe w83627ehf
[19:14] <ghostcube> very cool
[19:39] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: ping
[19:42] <seele> argh.. cannot recover my opendesktop.org password
[19:44] <markey> hey all
[19:44]  * seele waves
[19:44] <markey> having some issues with installing kde-devel on karmic
[19:44] <markey> http://pastebin.com/m43140fbf
[19:44] <markey> any ideas? :)
[19:56] <apachelogger> funny
[19:57] <apachelogger> hum hum
[19:57] <slacker_nl> what is funny?
[19:58] <apachelogger> how broken packages can get from merging :P
[19:58] <slacker_nl> haha
[19:58] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde had a fix for that iirc
[19:58]  * apachelogger uploads fix :P
[20:00] <apachelogger> markey: fix should be arriving soonish
[20:00] <markey> you're the best *smooooch*
[20:00] <markey> :>
[20:00] <apachelogger> *blush*
[20:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you have to remove the kde-core binary manually or will some archive cleaning script do that? ... was renamed to kde-minimal months ago
[21:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: it'll show up in NBS, but a removal bug with ubuntu-archive subscribed wouldn't hurt
[21:04] <apachelogger> kthx
[21:04] <sebas> Is karmic shipped with some snapshot of the NM plasmoid?
[21:05] <sebas> I'm seeing quite some crash reports...
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> sebas: currently it's using the new KNM
[21:05] <sebas> Ah, good
[21:05] <Riddell> also bug reports use apport so go to us
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> the plasmoid is the nice picture of the cellphone at the moment
[21:05] <sebas> I still can't care about all those crash reports, just seeing that our good bugsquad has tons of work with it
[21:06] <sebas> Apparently not all
[21:06] <sebas> Basically, I've no idea what exactly those people are using, I don't care why it crashes (the code has been refactored lately)
[21:07] <sebas> So all those bugreports are useless and cause work :/
[21:07] <Riddell> could be the jaunty one
[21:07] <sebas> Hm, maybe
[21:07] <sebas> That's the deprecated one
[21:07] <sebas> I just wanted to make sure you're not shipping the current one, because I *know* that it's crashy
[21:10] <Riddell> karmic currenly has svn1002781 from Thu, 30 Jul 2009
[21:10] <Riddell> so does Kubuntu backports for jaunty
[21:10] <seele> wow.. my opendesktop.org account is from 2002
[21:10] <seele> that's before i started contributing to kde
[21:10] <sebas> Riddell: Let me check which one that is
[21:10] <sebas> It'd be good if that was removed, because the bugreports are killing time
[21:11] <sebas> I won't support that version also
[21:11] <Riddell> seele: it sucked you in!
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> sebas: that's a KNM snapshot
[21:11] <seele> Riddell: the only comments registered are about a KDE background i made and uploaded, hehe
[21:11] <sebas> Ah, I thought the plasmoid
[21:12] <sebas> KNM should be fine
[21:12] <sebas> seele: make me a friend!
[21:12] <Riddell> I wasn't clear, it's the same package name but now contain s the knetworkmanager binary
[21:12] <sebas> ah
[21:12] <Riddell> seele the artist!
[21:15] <seele> sebas: done
[21:15] <seele> (i think)
[21:15] <sebas> seele: yay :)
[21:16] <Riddell> seele: ooh ooh, me too
[21:16] <seele> hmm.. changed my password but i still can't seem to login to the plasma widget thingy
[21:16]  * sebas notes that a good way to make friends is writing a social desktop plasmoid
[21:16] <sebas> Works for me :)
[21:16] <seele> Riddell: whats your nick? searching for your name didnt work
[21:17] <Riddell> jriddell I think
[21:17]  * Nightrose too
[21:17] <maco> seele: youre not on my friends list, so im guessing searching for yours didnt work for me either
[21:17] <Nightrose> :D
[21:17] <maco> either that or you ignored my friend request
[21:17] <seele> maco: i havent logged into my account since june 2002
[21:18] <seele> the only thing i had was a nick name and an address
[21:18] <maco> oh
[21:18] <seele> i'm lucky i still had access to my college email account.. apparently that is what i used
[21:18] <seele> ok people
[21:18] <maco> so did i
[21:18] <seele> my nick i seele on opendesktop.org
[21:18] <seele> YOU add me
[21:18] <Nightrose> but but but
[21:19] <Nightrose> we're lazy! :D
[21:19] <Riddell> what?  now we have to work for your friendship?
[21:19] <seele> Riddell: omg you know i found your nick but now i think i wont add you
[21:19] <Nightrose> *lol*
[21:20] <Riddell> hey!
[21:21] <maco> searching username seele gets me: seele varcuzzo, Jacques Bourquin, and MS ... which are you?
[21:21] <seele> wow lag
[21:22] <seele> seele varcuzzo.. wonder why it's still using my video game name
[21:22] <seele> i change that to celeste like 20 minutes ago
[21:22] <seele> maybe that's why i can't login to the widget after changing my password
[21:23] <Riddell> left over from a previous marrage? :)
[21:23] <maco> request sent
[21:23] <maco> after i click you it says your name
[21:23] <maco> but the search page shows that varczzo one
[21:25] <seele> no i've not been married before. although funny you should say that
[21:25] <seele> i'm off to vermont in a few hours to witness my little sister's second
[21:27] <seele> argh.. i reset my password, but apparently not
[21:27] <ScottK> neversfelde: Did your backport thing get sorted out while I was gone?
[21:31] <ghostcube> hi :)
[21:31] <ghostcube> apachelogger: http://pastie.org/575965 can you tell me if this is normal :)
[22:06] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: What's the plan for kgraphviewer?
[22:07] <Riddell> ScottK: helio says that compiled for him so it could be our gcc being strict
[22:07] <Riddell> which typically is NCommander's forte
[22:08] <ScottK> OK.  Well it's one of 2 boost1.35 r-build-depends left, so it'd be really nice to see it go.
[22:10] <seele> hmm.. when did i drop?
[22:10] <JontheEchidna> [16:59:02] <-- seele has left this server (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
[22:10] <seele> hmm
[22:10] <Riddell> you didn't miss much here
[22:11] <seele> what happened to friday nights being *busy* on irc
[22:11] <seele> ah shit.. server is down
[22:12] <seele> or died
[22:12] <Riddell> too many people with social lives?
[22:12] <seele> social lives.. what's that
[22:13] <seele> they should be working on free software!
[22:13] <ScottK> My impression is that activity on Ubuntu IRC channels is down significantly from a year or two ago pretty much accross the board.
[22:13] <maco> seele: please explain this to the linuxchix!
[22:13] <Riddell> plasma-widget-indicatordisplay is in universe now, you can test it with konversation
[22:13] <seele> maco: dead in there too?
[22:13] <maco> seele: no no the irc is fine. i mean the working on free software part
[22:14] <Riddell> maco: I hear they just talk about cute geek guys in there :)
[22:14] <maco> remember at the meeting ScottK came to, everyone said theyd never considered actually giving back to the projects they use
[22:14] <seele> linux chix who dont want to work on free software?
[22:14] <seele> argh
[22:14] <seele> maco: add this to your list of reasons why i dont like linuxchix :P
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: that konvi upload ftbfs
[22:14] <maco> Riddell: not often. that was just in response to Spike's "hottest geek girls" list ...which didnt really have any geeks on it
[22:15] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: waa
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: cmake didn't find libindicate-qt
[22:16] <maco> seele: the people on irc do contribute, i think... but the people in dc chapter? they all went "you're contributing? but youre so young" (which haha right..umm..im older than a handful of motu) and i said "er...almost 3 years of using, dont wanna just be a leech" and they were like "er..ive been..umm...7 years...never really thought about..."
[22:16] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you know it you help if I build-deped on the -dev package wouldn't it
[22:17] <maco> haha
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> heh, I guess
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> :P
[22:17] <maco> seele: thats why i wanted to do a "how to contribute" thing with linuxchix instead of the usual "lets eat!"
[22:19] <ScottK> Riddell: I thought the deal we had with Ayatana was that we'd provide the indicator for non-Kubuntu stuff that used it, but that our default desktop stuff would only use it if a user had optionally enabled it?
[22:19] <maco> that sounds right
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> Looking at the implementation, it looks like the user would not notice any change at all unless they explicitly had the indicator widget thre
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> thre-> there
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> otherwise you get that crappy amarok osd, if you have notifications enabled at all
[22:46] <dajomu> I've read several places that jaunty gives a horrible KDE experience. unstable and not well implemented. Why is that and what is done for the next release to fix that?
[22:47] <seele> dajomu: if you havent actually used it how do you know what you read is true?
[22:47] <dajomu> I've used it :)
[22:48] <bobesponja> hey
[22:48] <bobesponja> I get this error trying to compile a plasmoid http://pastebin.com/m60f33214  even though I have qt libs headers installed and can compile choqok and others
[22:48] <dajomu> seele: are you saying they are lying?
[22:48] <seele> dajomu: then you should have said "I think that jaunty..." not that youve read
[22:48] <bobesponja> how do I tell it where are the qtlibs? I'm not sure where they are in kubuntu
[22:49] <seele> dajomu: i think people are entitled to their own opinion and we've also had excellent reviews written about jaunty
[22:59] <dajomu> seele: thats true. there were some issues that affected me, but maybe not everybody.
[23:06] <Monika|K> Not sure why they say Jaunty gives a bad KDE experience ... the first KDE 4 release that is usable for me. I had a problem with plasma not starting at first, though - this was remedied by upgrading to 4.2.4 from a ppa
[23:08] <Quintasan> GRR
[23:08] <Quintasan> And to think that I was so close
[23:09] <Quintasan> T_T
[23:10] <dajomu> Monika|K: upgrading to 4.2.something gave me a black-screen and I "had to" reinstall
[23:10] <dajomu> several times
[23:10] <ghostcube> hmmm if i pull the plasma network manager applet it want to remove network manager
[23:10] <Monika|K> What was the cause and what was the solution?
[23:10] <ghostcube> whats the difference peoples
[23:11] <Monika|K> Was ist der Unterschied Völker?!
[23:11] <dajomu> I didn't pursue the problem. Installed linuxmint which worked fine
[23:11] <ghostcube> hmm als ich auf 4.3.0 gegangen bin musste ich den .kde moven wollt ich erst nich aber Quintasanhatte recht
[23:12] <ghostcube> so anyone can tell me the difference between the plasma widget and the kde network manager and what i should keep
[23:13] <Monika|K> on the list it was set that the network manager is newer than the widget and more stable (or intended to be)
[23:13] <Monika|K> and everyone was asked to test the stand-alone network manager
[23:13] <Monika|K> s/set/said
[23:13] <Monika|K> or written ;)
[23:16] <ghostcube> http://pastie.org/575965
[23:16] <seele> ok.. off to the airport, back in a few hours
[23:16] <ghostcube> see what i mean
[23:16] <ghostcube> :)
[23:17] <ghostcube> is there anything that gets not redone if you move .kde to .kde-old and make a new login
[23:18] <ghostcube> i need to copy over ?
[23:18] <Monika|K> keep network-manager-kde
[23:18] <ghostcube> Monika|K: in my post ?
[23:18] <Monika|K> yes
[23:18] <ghostcube> ok
[23:18] <ghostcube> why are all the dev packages on remove
[23:19] <neversfelde> ScottK: afaik not
[23:24] <nixternal> 8.04 - are we really worried about fixing minor bugs? ie. kubuntu-docs install issue? seeing as we are only 2 months away until EOL


[06:48] <s716> anyone home?
[06:50] <s716> hi
[06:54] <hateball> I am sure there
[06:55] <hateball> !ask | s716
[06:56] <s716> this program sucks i'm nuking it  later
[08:21] <boobaa> hi all
[08:22] <boobaa> how to get konsole working again after today's apt-get upgrade && reboot?
[08:23] <boobaa> if I want to start it from yakuake, then all I get is two lines of dbus messages, and nothing else: the konsole process just sits there, without opening any windows
[08:24] <boobaa> I even have to use yakuake to be able to reach my irssi running in screen on a remote machine, and it's a nightmare for my workflow
[08:34] <valorie> boobaa: what version are you running, and what PPAs do you have allowed?
[08:35] <boobaa> I'm running kubuntu 14.10
[08:35] <valorie> I like the nick, btw
[08:35] <boobaa> how do I get a list of active the PPAs?
[08:35] <valorie> look in muon?
[08:35] <valorie> or your apt/sources.list
[08:36] <boobaa> if only K menu would open... :(
[08:36] <boobaa> deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free #Opera Browser (final releases)
[08:36] <boobaa> deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/olav-st/xUbuntu_14.10/ /
[08:36] <Unit193> `inxi -r` will do it too. ;)
[08:36] <boobaa> that's all I see - oh, now I have the K menu
[08:36] <valorie> `cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/` in a pastebin
[08:37] <valorie> you are running opensuse?
[08:37] <boobaa> I'm running kubuntu 14.10
[08:38] <valorie> then your two lines above are mighty confusing
[08:39] <boobaa> valorie: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10087966/
[08:39] <boobaa> muon doesn't seem to start, either
[08:40] <valorie> what is the grep bit?
[08:40] <valorie> there is no way that is your entire file
[08:40] <boobaa> the grep bit is to filter out commented lines
[08:41] <valorie> I am totally confuses as to why you would have opensuse repos in your kubuntu 14.10
[08:41] <boobaa> I suppose lines starting with # don't play any role in selecting any PPA
[08:41] <valorie> if everything besides what you have is commented out, no wonder you are having problems
[08:41] <boobaa> well, I don't think it's a repo for opensuse - I think it's a repo for xUbuntu-14.10 which is on the opensuse server
[08:42] <valorie> !
[08:42] <valorie> xubuntu is a flavor of ubuntu, and would never have a repo on opensuse servers
[08:42] <valorie> never
[08:43] <valorie> !ppa-purge
[08:43] <valorie> I would get rid of that pronto, and find out why so many of the repositories you should have active are commented out
[08:43] <boobaa> if I open http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/olav-st/xUbuntu_14.10/ in a browser then I see a debian-like repo, which I suppose works fine with any flavors of ubuntu
[08:44] <boobaa> and I'm pretty sure this has nothing to do with my konsole/muon problem.
[08:44] <valorie> ....if you know what you are doing
[08:44] <boobaa> well, everything worked fine before today's apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && reboot.
[08:45] <valorie> here is mine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10088090/
[08:46] <valorie> I am running plasma 5 though
[08:47] <boobaa> there we go. you instructed me to paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, which I did, and you want to compare it with your /etc/apt/sources.list - am I right? :)
[08:49] <boobaa> valorie: here's my /etc/apt/sources.list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10088132/
[08:54] <valorie> please remove extras, as that is no longer used, and there have been problems when it is still active
[08:54] <valorie> but you are right, those are not the source of your present difficulty
[08:55] <boobaa> okay, I commented those three lines - now what to do?
[08:57] <valorie> well, I would have used ppa-purge, just in case those we a source of any problems
[08:57] <valorie> but whatever
[08:57] <valorie> I've asked in the devel chan if there have been other reported problems with konsole in 14.10
[08:58] <valorie> no response yet but it is early
[08:58] <valorie> let me see what I can find in launchpad
[09:00] <valorie> hmmm, no
[09:01] <valorie> so for now, please run from the cli: `ubuntu-bug konsole`
[09:01] <boobaa> it seems like it's not related/specific to konsole, as I can't start /usr/bin/muon either
[09:01] <valorie> did you have any error messages when doing the upgrade?
[09:01] <boobaa> no - however, muon may have hidden them from me.
[09:02] <valorie> also, you might try `apt dist-upgrade`
[09:02] <boobaa> `ubuntu-bug konsole` does nothing, either
[09:03] <valorie> !
[09:03] <boobaa> `apt dist-upgrade` runs fine, installs nothing, removes nothing, exits fine
[09:03] <valorie> does nothing, or is working in the background?
[09:03] <valorie> it isn't instant
[09:04] <valorie> it is the slickest and best way to file a bug on launchpad
[09:05] <valorie> boobaa: do either konsole or muon start from krunner? (alt+f2)
[09:05] <boobaa> no.
[09:06] <valorie> boo
[09:06] <valorie> there is no reason they should not work
[09:12] <boobaa> yes
[09:12] <boobaa> I had to restart skype since I'm having an appointment right now
[09:12] <boobaa> but I couldn't, so I tried rebooting
[09:12] <boobaa> but K menu lacked that option
[09:13] <boobaa> so I had to do a power-cycle by long-pressing the power button
[09:13] <boobaa> but konsole still doesn't start from yakuake
[09:19] <boobaa> valorie: here are todays entries from /var/log/dpkg.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10088462/
[09:20] <boobaa> however, I don't see anything that may cause these bugs. :S
[09:23] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:46] <valorie> boobaa: please report the bug when you have time
[09:54] <boobaa> valorie: where and how?
[09:56] <valorie> ubuntu-bug konsole
[09:56] <valorie> you should be able to do that from a console even if konsole is not working for you
[09:57] <valorie> control+alt+f2 or f3, etc.
[09:57] <valorie> f6 or f7 to get back to your regular session
[10:05] <boobaa> if I start `ubuntu-bug konsole` from yakuake, the process starts, but I can see nothing else
[10:08] <lordievader> boobaa: Is the correct display set?
[10:08] <boobaa> okay, I have submitted something from a console
[10:08] <boobaa> lordievader: how do I know that?
[10:09] <lordievader> boobaa: echo $DISPLAY
[10:09] <lordievader> Usually it returns :0
[10:09] <boobaa> boobaa@sloth:~$ echo $DISPLAY
[10:09] <boobaa> :0
[10:09] <boobaa> yes, it seems to be correct
[10:23] <alvin> I can not remember typing the passphrase to my private ssh key, yet all ssh connections are working. Could it be that KDE somehow saves the passphrase?
[10:26] <hateball> alvin: you've not setup ksshaskpass to use kwallet?
[10:26] <alvin> I really can't remember. I thought not, but maybe, just maybe I've ticked something to remeber the phrase. I'll check Kwallet
[10:27] <alvin> nope, it's not there
[10:28] <lordievader> alvin: ssh agent?
[10:28] <alvin> Strange. That's not even running. I usually start that manually
[10:29] <alvin> I might be imagining things. No time to research this now, but I'll have to check this out later.
[10:58] <drawkward> the documentation inside my qt creator seems broken. how can i fix it?
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:20] <Fritigern> BluesKaj: I was wondering, Do you use KVM?
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Fritigern, not yet, been thinking about it
[12:22] <Fritigern> KVM is so flipping slow for me! I have an i7 x990, with 6 cores, using HTT that makes 12 virtual cores. I assigned 6 to KVM and the thing is slow like molasses!
[12:22] <Fritigern> I use testdrive BTW
[12:22] <Fritigern> !testdrive
[12:22] <Fritigern> Oh, i thought ubottu would pick that up. Hmmmm
[12:22] <hateball> !info testdrive
[12:23] <hateball> mhm
[12:23] <HmpfCBR> 30B!zZ;)
[12:23] <Fritigern> I did ask ubottu in private, and he replied "[01:46:04] [[ ubottu ]] Testdrive makes it simple to run any Ubuntu release in a virtual machine, safely, and without affecting your current Ubuntu installation. See: https://launchpad.net/testdrive"
[12:23] <BluesKaj> !info testdrive
[12:24] <BluesKaj> odd, it's in the repos
[12:24] <Fritigern> I guess ubottu fell into a coma
[12:24] <Fritigern> Oh, there he is!
[12:24] <BluesKaj> oops, bot  is slow today
[12:25] <monkeyjuice> morning BluesKaj
[12:26] <Fritigern> Anyway, testdrive gives you the option to run the image in KVM, VirtualBox or Parallels. I don;t have the latter, so i can;t try that. I know that in VBox the screen gets garbled. and KVM is slow, i mean, REALLY slow! Dunno if i can even make it faster
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Fritigern, I haven't had much luck with qemu-kvm ...tried VB for a while but found it lacking mediawise
[12:29] <BluesKaj> Fritigern, the more memory assigned seems to make VMs faster IME
[12:29] <Fritigern> BluesKaj: So.... what do you use now if not VBox or KVM?
[12:29] <Fritigern> And i have 4gb assigned
[12:30] <BluesKaj> I dual boot on my laptop, don't need windows for much except to keep up on W7 for wife's sake
[12:31]  * Fritigern hasn't had Windows on his PC since 2005
[12:34] <BluesKaj> wifes has a windows pc so I keep abreast of what's happening , being an ols windows guy, I have nothing against windows , just prefer kubuntu/linux now
[12:34] <bhattigurjot> Hi, I am getting this "org.kde.plasma.private.kickoff is not installed" error when I click on the application launcher button on the task bar
[12:34] <bhattigurjot> Just installed the KUbuntu 15.04
[12:35] <BluesKaj> bhattigurjot, make sure you update and upgrade
[12:35] <Fritigern> Sorry, for support with alphas, you should really go to #ubuntu+1
[12:36] <BluesKaj> bhattigurjot, and #ubuntu+1 supports all flavours of 15.04
[12:36] <bhattigurjot> BluesKaj: Already did that.
[12:37] <bhattigurjot> Fritigern: Ok
[12:58] <Fritigern> I am so curious about the Vivid alpha, but at the same time i am scared to move to plasma5. So much could go wrong...
[12:59] <BluesKaj>  Fritigern not recommended for a production pc
[12:59] <Fritigern> I know
[12:59] <BluesKaj> <--home user
[12:59] <Fritigern> But even if vivid were already finalized, i would be scared
[13:01] <BluesKaj> getting some desktop freeezes that logging into and out of the VT/TTY fixes
[13:02] <Fritigern> In the past i have done risky upgrades, including installing first alphas, ran into issues and fixed them. But this one makes me nervous.
[13:03] <soee> Fritigern: im not usre what can be scarry here :)
[13:04] <soee> if you have home on separate partition, of your system gets broken you can always reinstall and hats all :)
[13:04] <Fritigern> That's the thing, i don;t have that.
[13:04] <soee> ;o
[13:04] <BluesKaj> yeah, it's not my faviourite so far , I'm not a fan of the new plasma 5 "look",  simplistic icons and flat buttons etc
[13:05] <Fritigern> As far as the look goes, it's just a matter of time before more 3d-syle themes become available
[13:06] <soee> Fritigern: i dnt think this happen this year
[13:06] <BluesKaj> soee, where's the fix in the url you posted?
[13:07] <BluesKaj> I see a whole lot of comments etc , bi=ut no patch...
[13:07] <soee> BluesKaj: well there is a link to commit wih the fix, but the whole package has to be rebuld with this fix
[13:07] <soee> BluesKaj: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/workspace/plasma-workspace/repository/revisions/116b1d170eb25b957a3c0f3d21b429afc3f88d6a
[13:08] <BluesKaj> oh no not that one ,  the one with no make file
[13:08] <soee> what ?
[15:24] <designbybeck> I have a lot of users across my work IM/facebook/gtalk on pidgin, and when they login/out the notification tray goes crazy showing them all at ones and then I clear in and then it just keeps going when other users come on or off
[15:24] <designbybeck> can I change that setting somewhere?
[15:28] <designbybeck> I do want to see some application notifications just not all those login/offs from pidgin
[15:31] <rberg_> designbybeck: it looks that that setting is in Tools/Plugins/libnotify popups/configure plugin
[15:32] <designbybeck> AAHhh Thank you rberg_ ...didn't think to look in the plugins for anything!!
[15:32] <rberg_> anytime
[15:33] <rberg_> I am a hug fan of reduced notifications.
[15:35] <designbybeck> ;)
[15:35] <designbybeck> and what about the setting to resize with alt+mmb instead of right?
[15:35] <designbybeck> I thought I was in the right place but couldn't seem to change it
[16:51] <pet0> hello friends
[16:51] <pet0> i just installed kubuntu and have triple monitor setup
[16:51] <pet0> when i start the computer all i can see is black screens
[16:51] <pet0> with a pink stripe on the left of each
[16:51] <pet0> can you help me to solve this? now im only using one and it works
[16:56] <r2f6k> \help
[17:03] <r2f6k>  /msg<EMAIL_ADDRESS>COOKIE rafik88 VoKqTXhb5P
[17:03] <r2f6k>  /msg<EMAIL_ADDRESS>COOKIE rafik88 VoKqTXhb5P
[17:06] <r2f6k>   /AuthServ auth R2F6K lalu4eje
[17:22] <Captain_Haddock> pet0: Try 2 first.
[19:53] <boobaa> okay, it looks like today's apt-get upgrade has screwed up something in my $HOME
[19:53] <boobaa> I just checked konsole with a new user and it works fine. where to search for the reason that keeps konsole, muon, etc. from running?
[19:54] <boobaa> (and I got the idea of pasting an strace output of a wannabe konsole session, if it would help - would it help at all for any of you?)
[20:10] <Toni> Bonasera
[21:48] <mokush> can anybody using the vivid alpha tell me, if they found a way to make the spelling underlining work on kf5 apps like kate?
[22:37] <shallwe> hi guys, someone using kmail?
[22:51] <keithzg> shallwe: I don't use it that frequently, but I do have it configured and running on my work desktop.
[23:44] <seth__> hey guys
[23:44] <seth__> I broke my steam after upgrading from the edgers ppa
[23:45] <seth__> any ideas to what I'm doing wrong? It says it can't load the radeonsi_dri.so
[23:46] <soee_> edgers offers radeon drivers ?
[23:47] <seth__> Yeah it's my understanding they are more cutting edge and shouldd give me better performance in dota accourding to a reddit post....
[23:47] <seth__> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[23:47] <soee_> what package did you used ?
[23:49] <seth__> I just hit upgrade and it pulled some new ati packages automatically after adding the ppa. I'm probably missing something xD
[23:50] <soee_> im not familiar with ati drivers as im nvidia user
[23:50] <soee_> maybe ask on #ubuntu
[23:51] <seth__> I see. Oh well I'll keep trying some stuff. If I dont' get it I'll ask there. Cheers
[23:51] <soee_> you can just purge this ppa, and get previous verion of packages
[23:52] <soee_> it is not recommended to use anyway. but well i have been using it for a long time for latest nvidia drivers, and for me they worked nice
[23:53] <seth__> ok yeah I just read that I could purge the ppa on a post. TY going to that first and try again