[01:53] <mhall119> so I'm trying to get setup with one of Amazon's free micro instances
[01:53] <mhall119> are there any official AMIs for Ubuntu 10.04 server?
[01:53] <mhall119> or 10.10
[02:28] <kiall> Heya - question re UEC networking, should an instance be able to access another instance's public IP address assuming there is an "allow everything" security group defined? I'm thinking its some sort of NAT issue ... but not sure if its intended or not :)
[16:52] <jmgalloway> I have an ssh problem
[16:52] <jmgalloway> I have a 5 node uec setup, and now cant ssh into two of the nodes
[16:53] <jmgalloway> I keep getting a Received disconnect from nc1:  2: Too many authentication failures from clcuser
[16:55] <jmgalloway> anyone know how to fix this?
[17:32] <mhall119> okay, I'm feeling a bit like an idiot, I setup my first ubuntu ami instance on ec2, but I have no idea how to ssh into it
[18:03] <mhall119> ah, user==ubuntu
[18:03] <mhall119> I got it now
[18:52] <jmgalloway> anyone here good with ssh?
[18:52] <jmgalloway> I have a cloud setup and cant ssh into two of my physical machines
[18:54] <jmgalloway> I'm getting an error as long as I try to ssh from my test machine
[18:54] <jmgalloway> if I ssh into these two remote machines with any other machine, it works perfectly
[21:05] <flaccid> jmgalloway: always good idea to mention the error
[23:28] <kiall> Does anyone know if euca is *supposed* to support the idea of resolving instances's public DNS hostnames, to their private IPs when the lookup is done from another instance?  (The same way amazon EC2 do ...)


[09:08] <falktx> hey guys
[09:08] <falktx> this is serious...
[09:09] <falktx> sorry but I have to post this, quote from a forum user:
[09:09] <falktx> "I do think Ubuntu Studio is pretty much obsolete. However, as one of their original users since 1.0, I hope they will come around."
[09:09] <falktx> this makes me sad...
[09:28] <falktx> please tell me the XFCE transition is working... right?
[09:38] <falktx> oh, we should ignore my first comment, take a look:
[09:38] <falktx> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1811489
[09:38] <falktx> this guy is a asshole
[10:02] <saidinesh5> falktx: with the kxstudio website down, i had a bit of tough time passing it onto my friends :P
[10:03] <falktx> it's the internet tech guys fault!
[10:03] <falktx> they never came yesterday
[10:03] <saidinesh5> Ah iSee...... ya, same problem @ my end too......
[10:03] <falktx> now I don't have the time to work on the website, cause I still don't have network at home...
[10:03] <saidinesh5> oh k
[11:02] <astraljava> falktx: The transition is in progress, but we haven't had an installable candidate so far in the cycle.  So cannot comment on that one.
[11:03] <falktx> oh, ok
[11:03] <falktx> I know oneiric itself has lots of issues right now because of all the changes, so it's a bit too soon to do testing
[11:03] <falktx> but it's good to know that it's in progress
[11:04] <falktx> do you wanna read something cool?
[11:04] <falktx> http://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7241
[11:04] <falktx> ^ this Studio war is getting intense...
[11:53] <astraljava> Nah, I tend to separate myself from those.
[11:54] <astraljava> I'm more of a technical kinda guy, at least at the moment. I don't have enough experience in making judgment calls one way or the either.
[11:54] <astraljava> But yeah, it's actually our fault at the moment, due to seeds being in a bad state.
[11:55] <astraljava> Once we get that fixed, we can start testing, and ironing out the irks.
[12:23] <ScottL> the ubuntu forums link posted was interesting...i had already read the linuxmusician forums thread
[12:24] <ScottL> i am planning to respond to the ubuntu forum thread because there's some specific misinformation in it
[12:24] <ScottL> well, after the thread is opened again in 24 hours
[12:25] <ScottL> and he is quite mistaken on a few counts as well that probably should be addressed
[12:25] <ScottL> lest this become FUD and people start whispering it to others in back alleys and darkened pub rooms
[12:36] <astraljava> ScottL: Sounds good, thanks for setting the record straight! :)
[12:36] <astraljava> records*
[12:37] <ScottL> i had wanted to keep up with my blog to push information and correct misconceptions but haven't kept up as i desired
[12:37] <ScottL> *sigh*
[12:37] <ScottL> too much going on
[12:38] <ScottL> however, this may help push me to write some more about issues
[12:39] <astraljava> Understandable. It's not like you can dedicate your days for US. It'd be nice if you could, though. :D
[12:42] <ScottL> yes it would :D
[12:51] <astraljava> I'd love to, as well. :)
[12:54] <astraljava> jussi01: cdngiadmnkhgemkimkhiilgffbjijcie
[12:54] <astraljava> For everyone else, that's how we communicate here in Navicron. :D
[12:54] <jussi> hehe
[12:55] <jussi> astraljava: gofhjkjmkpinhpoiabjplobcaignabnl
[12:56] <astraljava> jussi: Gotcha, I'm on it tomorrow.
[12:56] <jussi> astraljava: that one is open source :D
[12:58] <astraljava> *grumble* Now did you have to blow my cover?! ;D
[12:58] <astraljava> Doesn't matter, this one works. OS never does. Wait, what?!
[13:02] <jussi> astraljava: hehe... I tried the other one... and it works :P :P:
[13:09] <ScottL> hi falktx , i am planning to respond to the ubuntu forum post you linked after it is opened again in 24 hours
[13:09] <ScottL> thanks for linking it
[13:10] <ScottL> while avoiding a pissing match with him (lowtech?) i will specifically address some of the misinformation and misconceptions he stated
[13:11] <falktx> good
[13:11] <falktx> people should be informed at the UbuntuStudio state
[13:11] <falktx> it certainly isn't obsolete!
[13:12] <ScottL> falktx, ubuntu studio has a few things that studio4 doesn't currently and might never have
[13:13] <ScottL> we have an established history, a huge code base within ubuntu, thousands of users and therefore a deep help base, and a modicum more documentation than studio4
[14:07] <holstein> falktx: eh... folks just dont understand whats going on
[14:07] <holstein> we are going to get that just becuase its changing


[01:02] <mahfouz> why don't they just buy Yahoo!?
[01:02] <micahg> mahfouz: M$, Google, or Canonical?
[01:02] <mahfouz> M$ had their chance, now it's our time!
[01:03] <mahfouz> let's all chip in :)
[01:03] <micahg> mahfouz: Canonical Yahoo! powered by M$?
[01:03] <mahfouz> powered by bing
[01:05] <chrisccoulson> micahg - did you do any work to disable the test suite for xulrunner on ia64?
[01:05] <micahg> chrisccoulson: only research that it's hard code disabled on FF and the same would probably work for xul
[01:06] <chrisccoulson> micahg - so, it's not a build-time option then?
[01:06] <micahg> chrisccoulson: it is
[01:06] <micahg> but it's hard coded in the options ATM
[01:06] <chrisccoulson> oh, that's ok then
[01:06] <micahg> in addition to the flag
[01:07] <chrisccoulson> micahg - do you want me to do that?
[01:07] <chrisccoulson> i might do that before i finish for the evening
[01:07] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yes, please, and update the bug, probably better if you use the flag and check for IA64 arch if you can
[01:07] <micahg> otherwise disable and we'll fix after release
[01:10] <micahg> chrisccoulson: take a look at at lines 30-35 in debian/rules and line 163 for the arch test
[01:11] <chrisccoulson> micahg - thanks, just looking there
[01:49] <chrisccoulson> asac - did you have a look at the xulrunner ia64 build failure at all?
[01:50] <chrisccoulson> i think i understand why it doesn't work now
[01:51] <chrisccoulson> bdrung - thanks for fixing some of those extensions
[02:24] <e-jat> hi .. how to check the ff default player?
[02:25]  * e-jat since my ff cant work streaming video using totem but my chromium can
[03:15] <micahg> chrisccoulson: you really think we should keep noscript even though they release a new version every week?
[03:15] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i'm not sure really. asac seems quite keen to keep that one
[03:15] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'll talk to him about it again in the morning
[03:15] <chrisccoulson> cool, thanks
[03:16] <chrisccoulson> right, bed time for me now
[03:16] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, in the morning, can you push edbrowse?
[03:16] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, no problem
[03:16] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, thanks, there's a bug and you're subscribed
[05:09] <micahg> [reed]: is there any way to edit an attachment in bugzilla or I just add another patch?
[07:47] <fta>   - xulrunner-1.9.2 (<IP_ADDRESS>~hg20100406r33809+nobinonly -> <IP_ADDRESS>~hg20100408r34017+nobinonly) [49.00MB (+2583kB, +5.27%)]
[07:47] <fta>   - firefox (3.6.4~hg20100406r33809+nobinonly -> 3.6.4~hg20100408r34017+nobinonly) [49.70MB (+2528kB, +5.08%)]
[07:47] <fta> asac, ^^ 5% ??
[07:47] <fta> micahg, ^^
[07:48] <micahg> fta: ugh
[07:48]  * micahg looks
[07:48]  * micahg needs to pay mroe attention to those logs
[07:48] <micahg> fta: yep, that's right, lorentz landed
[07:50] <micahg> firefox has broken patches ATM though, will try to fix this weekend
[07:50] <micahg> earlier if I need a distraction :)
[07:50] <fta> they landed such a big thing in 1.9.2 but not in trunk? weird.. and scary
[07:50] <micahg> fta: was already in trunk, it's the OOPP code
[07:51] <fta> oh, ok
[07:51] <fta> n-m then
[07:52]  * micahg could probably fix the firefox patches on the bus...
[09:09] <asac> fta: they want to add features in security updates now ;)
[09:09] <asac> thats mozs new model based on chromium ;)
[09:10] <fta> yep
[09:13] <fta> grrr, we now need to login to get the plain text version from a paste.ubuntu.com url
[09:18] <asac> jdstrand: so should we add a new section like "# package management integration" ... where we whitelist apturl?
[09:18] <asac> fta: they change that all the time
[09:19] <asac> i complained a few times, and they changed it back
[09:19] <asac> not sure why they started doing it now again ;)
[09:22] <fta> it's just for the plain text download part
[09:41] <asac> fta: yes. someone hosted warez on pastebin iirc
[09:41] <fta> lol
[09:42] <asac> or virusses or something ... dont remember
[09:45] <fta> !info libnss3-dev jaunty
[09:45] <asac> fta: we are going to bump that sooner or later i guess
[09:47] <fta> i'm trying to fix the long lasting ftbfs of chromium on jaunty/amd64.. need a pbuilder for that
[09:47] <fta>   pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: libnss3-dev (>= 3.12.3) but it is not installable
[09:48] <asac> hmm
[09:48] <asac> odd
[09:48] <asac> maybe something in universe?
[09:48] <fta> adding -updates
[09:48] <asac> fta: do you have security and -updates enabled?
[09:49] <asac> yeah
[09:56] <asac> damn ... apparmor is busted
[09:56] <asac> have to reboot as i have no clue how to get back to start
[09:58] <BUGabundo> diæs !
[10:02] <BUGabundo> fta: there it goes again... out of nowhere, chromium puffs! how can I run this in debug ?
[10:02] <fta> -g
[10:03] <fta> or let it crash and use apport
[10:03] <BUGabundo> apport didn't kick
[10:03] <asac> sigh
[10:03] <asac> i think i made firefox not start ;)
[10:04] <asac> hmm what did i do?
[10:04] <BUGabundo> chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra-dbgsym:
[10:04] <BUGabundo>   Depends: chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra (=0.5+svn20100326r42726+42573+42890-0ubuntu1) but 0.5+svn20100406r43776+43809+43834-0ubuntu1~ucd1 is to be installed
[10:04] <BUGabundo> fta: ^^^
[10:05] <fta> -dbg not -dbgsym
[10:05] <BUGabundo> ok
[10:05] <fta> BUGabundo, ^^
[10:05] <BUGabundo> installing
[10:05] <asac> strange ... aa isnt loaded at all now
[10:06] <BUGabundo> fta: seems to be SSL related
[10:08] <fta> i doubt it
[10:08] <BUGabundo> I get it almost everytime I open brainbird.net with a self signed cert
[10:08] <BUGabundo> but we will know more once this installs
[10:09] <BUGabundo> kenvandine: can we get a patch to NOT limit to 140 chars, and read the proper API site limit for SN ?
[10:15] <BUGabundo> fta: HEELLLPPPPP the bookmark toolbar is not showing when pressing ctrl+B
[10:15] <fta> bug 552531 ?
[10:15] <BUGabundo> :((((
[10:15] <fta> i'm busy right now, sorry. file bugs please
[10:19] <BUGabundo> err LP fail :(
[11:06] <gnomefreak> asac: are you around?
[11:07] <asac> gnomefreak: no :)
[11:07] <gnomefreak> :) we are changing back to google as default search?
[11:07] <asac> fta: can we talk about debian when you are back?
[11:08] <asac> fta: can you help me and make the copyright gen use properly sorted order, so we can update stuff and get good diffs?
[11:08] <asac> i would like to do an update run and push current thing to debian
[11:16] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: yes, we changed... to please users migrating
[11:16] <gnomefreak> makes sense but that means the $ wont be there
[11:16] <BUGabundo> or not :)
[11:17] <BUGabundo> do you play poker?
[11:17] <BUGabundo> ever heard of a bluff check to see ?
[11:17] <gnomefreak> yep
[11:30] <chrisccoulson> asac - i switched off the xulrunner test suite for ia64 now, but i looked at it last night and it should be easy to fix (bug 555127)
[11:30] <chrisccoulson> but
[11:30] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure where to find the information that i need ;)
[11:33] <gnomefreak> I was helping a friend of mine Tuesday and i will tell this is a nasty fucking thing, http://www.malwarehelp.org/virus-protector-removal-2010.html i didnt have the sites until today, but its fixed :)
[11:33] <gnomefreak> ill be back i need to make coffee
[11:35] <BUGabundo> fta: asac: gnomefreak: http://paste.ubuntu.com/410981/
[11:35] <BUGabundo> chromium crash
[11:36] <BUGabundo> bahh /lib/libdbus-1.so.3
[11:39] <BUGabundo> erk
[11:39] <BUGabundo> $ dpkg -S libdbus-1.so.3
[11:39] <BUGabundo> ia32-libs: /lib32/libdbus-1.so.3
[11:39] <BUGabundo> libdbus-1-3: /lib/libdbus-1.so.3
[11:39] <BUGabundo> no dbg package for ia32?
[11:39] <BUGabundo> :\
[11:42] <gnomefreak> i guess songbird is still FTBFS but im still not here waiting for coffee so i can think
[11:43] <fta> BUGabundo, it's not the ia32 one, try libdbus-1-3-dbgsym
[11:45] <asac> chrisccoulson: br.ret ... we need the hex for that i guess
[11:45] <chrisccoulson> asac - yeah, that's the bit i'm stuck at. i'm not sure how to find that out
[11:46] <BUGabundo> fta: instaled and running
[11:46] <BUGabundo> trying to see what's making it crash
[11:46] <asac> chrisccoulson: disassemble something
[11:46] <asac> check what the hexcode for the br.ret you get is ;)
[11:47] <chrisccoulson> asac - ok, that's one way
[11:47] <asac> or looking at compiler code or so ;)
[11:47] <asac> maybe see if someone in -devel knows ;)
[11:48] <gnomefreak> i guess its too early for me to check email or TB hates me today.
[11:48] <gnomefreak> The RETR command did not succeed. Error retrieving a message. Mail server pop.gmail.com responded: Please reconnect and try again.
[11:48] <chrisccoulson> asac - i'm not sure what IA64 is really. i have the intel instruction set reference for Intel(R) 64 and IA-32 architectures, but i'm not sure if IA64 is the same ;)
[11:49] <chrisccoulson> but, i will try disassembling something anyway
[11:50] <asac> yeah
[11:51] <asac> better than disabling all tests
[11:51] <asac> would be to add upstream patch to disable this test for all archs not defined in there ;)
[11:52] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that would probably be better
[11:53] <chrisccoulson> ah
[11:54] <asac> chrisccoulson: can you please resurrect debian/patches/bzXXX_plugin_for_mimetype_pref.patch
[11:54] <asac> from xulrunner 1.9.1 to ffox 3.6?
[11:54] <chrisccoulson> asac - is it possible to disassemble for a different architecture? (i just did objdump -d on the binary, and i get "objdump: Can't disassemble for architecture UNKNOWN!")
[11:54] <chrisccoulson> asac - yeah, i can do that
[11:54] <asac> seems that was forgotten
[11:55] <asac> chrisccoulson: good question. probably needs a cross toolchain thing? ... hmm
[11:55] <asac> chrisccoulson: we have ia64 porter boxes
[11:55] <asac> you can log in there
[11:55] <chrisccoulson> that might be better
[11:55] <asac> chrisccoulson: machineoverview on internal wiki
[11:56] <asac> seems its halley
[11:56] <asac> yeah ... and one can even log in ;)
[11:58] <chrisccoulson> asac - thanks, i found that now. but i need to get an account on it first
[11:58] <asac> chrisccoulson: hmm. afaik we all should have porter box access
[11:58] <asac> e.g. whole platform
[11:58] <chrisccoulson> asac - hmmm, i get "Permission denied (publickey)"
[11:58] <asac> chrisccoulson: check with #is
[11:59] <chrisccoulson> asac - will do, thanks
[11:59] <asac> chrisccoulson: did you do all your "starter" tasks ;)
[11:59] <asac> ?
[11:59] <chrisccoulson> i think so ;)
[11:59]  * asac has no idea what that involves atm
[12:30] <fta> !info zlib1g
[12:30] <fta> !info zlib1g unstable
[12:30] <fta> damn old
[12:31] <asac> fta: check with debian maintainer whats going on ;)
[12:32] <fta> http://zlib.net/ChangeLog.txt we missed 1.2.3.{4,5,6,7,8,9} and 1.2.4
[12:32] <fta> unstable has <IP_ADDRESS> and experimental <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:34] <fta> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=38073
[13:27] <chrisccoulson> asac - is there any reason why firefox doesn't provide an alternative for gnome-www-browser (bug 408238)?
[13:27] <chrisccoulson> (apparently it used to, but doesn't anymore)
[13:32] <gnomefreak> ok this is really starting to get to me. Is there a way to set how many chars per line in TB?
[13:33] <asac> chrisccoulson: gnome-www-browser
[13:34] <asac> is that still used somewhere?
[13:34] <asac> thought it was dead ;)
[13:34] <chrisccoulson> asac - i'm not sure. some other browsers still provide alternatives for it, and firefox-gnome-support has a "Provides: gnome-www-browser" but doesn't create the alternative
[13:35] <chrisccoulson> so, i think we should either drop the provides or create the alternative. i'm just not sure which ;)
[13:42] <gnomefreak> from what i can see it is used by galeon epiphany-browser and kazehakase  at least the ones i have installed (most gtk browsers
[13:42] <gnomefreak> )
[13:42] <gnomefreak> and text based but they are under diff. cat.
[13:44] <gnomefreak> x-www-browser has alot more listed than the ones i gave above
[13:44] <gnomefreak> looks like all of them (7 of them)
[13:44] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak, yeah, firefox does provide x-www-browser, just not gnome-www-browser
[13:45] <gnomefreak> seems like most dont use gnome-www-browser
[13:47] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: also on the bug do we really need 3.0 and 3.5 tasks since we are changin to "firefox" for all releases? however i dont think we updated/changed in any other release except Lucid atm
[13:47] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak- the older tasks should be wontfix really
[13:48] <gnomefreak> ok im there ill change them
[13:49] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[13:49] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: np
[14:52] <asac> micahg: 1.9.2.*
[14:58] <jdstrand> asac: apturl added. too late to create a new abstraction in AppArmor, but I added apturl to the 'should maybe be in an abstraction' area of the profile and made a note to investigate abstracting it
[15:03] <micahg> asac: http://noscript.net/changelog
[15:03] <asac> jdstrand: sure. thats fine
[15:03] <asac> thanks
[15:03] <asac> jdstrand: committed to our branch?
[15:06] <micahg> asac: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addons/versions/722
[15:20] <jdstrand> asac: yeah-- committed to 3.6.head and trunk
[15:20] <asac> thx
[15:21] <jdstrand> tbh, I've never used apturl. it is kinda spiffy
[15:22] <asac> bug 556549
[16:44] <BUGa_vacations> fta: yet another
[16:44] <BUGa_vacations> http://paste.ubuntu.com/411108/
[17:29] <fta> BUGa_vacations, doesn't ring a bell. please file a bug (upstream), i'll Cc some devs
[17:30] <BUGa_vacations> ok
[17:33] <BUGa_vacations> fta: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=40803
[18:32] <chrisccoulson> asac - for adding bzXXX_plugin_for_mimetype_pref.patch to firefox - was there a bug reported for that (so I can close it in the changelog)?
[18:35] <BUGa_vacations> fta: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/969355
[18:36] <chrisccoulson> heh
[18:36] <chrisccoulson> i've seen that posted a few times today ;)
[18:38] <BUGa_vacations> chrisccoulson: I wonder by whom
[18:48] <asac> chrisccoulson: no. it was part of a spec
[18:48] <chrisccoulson> asac - ok, no worries
[18:48] <asac> chrisccoulson: we should add a bugtask for firefox to 520166
[18:48] <asac> and close that
[18:50] <chrisccoulson> asac - ok, i will do that. did you have any opinion on using bz467738_att351145_lockPref_everywhere.patch in firefox? (i can't remember if you said that needed other changes or not)
[19:04] <fta> ripps, just sent the codecs without sse3/llrint to the daily ppa, could you please try (once it's built) and let me know?
[19:04] <ripps> fta: will do
[19:05] <ripps> So the only difference between between google-chrome and chromium-codecs was that chromium-codecs was built with extra cpu instructions my cpu doesn't use?
[19:06] <ripps> This might have been the cause of a number of crashes I got using chromium
[19:09] <fta> well, no. we're supposed to use the same build flags
[19:09] <fta> if it didn't crash using chrome, then it's another issue
[19:30] <micahg> asac: we've had a few people with bug 558620
[19:31] <micahg> asac: should I modify the script not to move it by default or add something to the profile folder to say don't move again?
[20:20] <asac> micahg: question is why they explain
[20:20] <asac> err complain ;)
[20:21] <micahg> asac: well, I think some extensions have the profile dir hard coded
[20:21] <asac> so ... is it 1) that they used upstream builds, but not our build?
[20:21] <micahg> asac: and once it starts, it creates the old dir again
[20:21] <asac> or 2) that they had an old .thunderbird for whatever reason lying around
[20:21] <micahg> asac: none of the above
[20:21] <asac> micahg: not sure what you mean with "creates the old dir again"
[20:21] <asac> what is the problem?
[20:21] <micahg> asac: those were the use cases we planned for
[20:21] <asac> they dont get their expected profile?
[20:22] <micahg> asac: it seems like some extensions create the .mozilla-thunderbird directory
[20:22] <asac> micahg: if thunderbird.upstream exists, we dont migrate .mozilla-thunderbird anymore
[20:22] <asac> thats what we should do imo
[20:22] <asac> thought we already did that
[20:23] <micahg> asac: I need to look into it further to figure out whether it's something in the extension or something in TB
[20:23] <micahg> asac: yeah, we did that already
[20:23] <asac> micahg: oh the other reason why they have .mozilla-thunderbird is probably that if they upgrade
[20:23] <asac> and run thunderbird while its running, we migrate the profile
[20:23] <asac> but then when they close thunderbird it writes stuff to .mozilla-thunderbird still
[20:23] <micahg> asac: ah, that could be it
[20:24] <asac> let me think
[20:25] <micahg> asac: it seems to happen after the start of thunderbird 3 and the migration
[20:25] <micahg> asac: we already had another case where an extension was at fault, maybe it's a setting in the profile for the profile dir that needs to be updated
[20:31] <fta> !ddeb
[20:32] <micahg> fta: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[20:35] <asac> micahg: can you try to reproduce it the way i said?
[20:35] <asac> if that works we can try if migrating + creating a link to the new location will fix that
[20:36] <micahg> asac: we don't migrate until it's run, not on install
[20:36] <asac> sure
[20:36] <micahg> asac: I can create a symlink once the migration occurs
[20:36] <asac> so on first run ... migrate if .thunderbird.upstream doesnt exist and create a link ... ln -s $HOME/.thunderbird $HOME/.mozilla-thunderbird
[20:36] <micahg> that would probably solve the problem
[20:37] <micahg> asac: profile paths shouldn't be hard coded anywhere in the sqlite DBs or prefs IMHO :)
[20:39] <asac> well. as i said i am sure quite a lot of problems come from shutting down running instances
[20:39] <asac> but i just checked and -remote "PING()" wouldnt really help us here
[20:39] <asac> so we should use the symlink approach
[20:39] <micahg> asac: ah, your theory is that it doesn't actually close when the new version is started
[20:39] <micahg> missed that ebfore
[20:39] <asac> well it doesnt
[20:39] <asac> if you click on tbird a second time it will just raise to front
[20:39] <asac> unless that feature regressed ;)
[20:40] <asac> but we will just migrate the profile and then raise it to front
[20:40] <micahg> asac: should we do anything for current installs?
[20:40] <asac> so the current running instance is still using old profile and when shutdown it saves state to old location
[20:40] <asac> no
[20:40] <micahg> i.e. preinst checks for tb3 and creates symlink
[20:40] <asac> i think there is nothing needed besides making the migration better with symlink
[20:41] <asac> dont see what preinst should do
[20:41] <asac> just migrator script
[20:41] <micahg> asac: add the symlink for people that alredy migrated
[20:41] <asac> nah
[20:41] <micahg> or shoul dI do that in the sheel script?
[20:41] <asac> even that would be in the migrator script
[20:42] <asac> if .mozilla-thunderbird doesnt exist we can create the link
[20:42] <micahg> asac: -d won't register true for a symlink, right?
[20:42] <asac> so we cover those old installs that worked well
[20:42] <asac> -L it is afaik
[20:42] <asac> check manpage ;)
[20:42] <micahg> asac: k, just want to make sure on next run the symlink isn't migrated
[20:43] <micahg> asac: I'll work on it this weekend amongst everything else
[20:43] <asac>       -h file       True if file exists and is a symbolic link.
[20:43] <asac> so actually -h
[20:43] <asac> -L seems to be not portable
[20:43] <micahg> asac: I'll add it to the end of the script
[20:44] <asac> not sure
[20:45] <asac> imo should be coded where current migration logic is
[20:45] <micahg> I was going to add it right after the migration logic
[20:46] <asac>  dont have it in front of me
[20:46] <asac> do it ... and show
[20:46] <asac> have to review
[20:46] <micahg> asac: k
[20:46] <micahg> asac: are we planning on backporting mozilla-devscripts to hardy?
[20:46] <micahg> *latest
[20:52] <asac> guess we need it for a bunch of extensions
[20:53] <asac> do we need it for anything else?
[20:54] <micahg> asac: prism and fennec will be using it for the clean target for xulrunner, but that's not critical
[20:54] <asac> yeh
[20:58] <micahg> asac: I don't know anything else offhand
[21:33] <ripps> fta: I'm still getting the same crash in chromium, are you sure it's not using sse2/3 anymore?
[21:33] <fta> which version?
[21:33] <ripps> fta: daily ppa
[21:33] <ripps> 0.5+svn20100406r43776+43809+43834-0ubuntu1~ucd2
[21:34] <ripps> 5.0.371.0~svn20100408r43913-0ubuntu1~ucd2
[21:34] <fta> hm, 0.5+svn20100406r43776+43809+43834-0ubuntu1~ucd2 is the one i patched
[21:36] <fta> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/43464869/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.chromium-codecs-ffmpeg_0.5%2Bsvn20100406r43776%2B43809%2B43834-0ubuntu1~ucd2_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[21:36] <fta> look for HAVE_SSSE3
[21:37] <fta> did you fully restart the browser?
[21:38] <ripps> fta: first start since reboot, I've been using google-chrome
[21:39] <fta> is the crash the same?
[21:39] <fta> could you let apport resolve it? so we have the asm too
[21:39] <ripps> fta: how do I do that? apport doesn't seem to react when it crashes
[21:40] <fta> do you have a file in /var/crash?
[21:40] <fta> if so, click on it (in nautilus)
[21:41] <fta> it should complain it's not a genuine package at some point but after it has modified that crash file
[21:41] <ripps> fta: yeah, but it's pretty old
[21:41] <fta> not the one then
[21:41] <fta> is it enabled? /etc/default/apport
[21:43] <ripps> I have to run it as --single-process, otherwise the only the tab crashes, and chromium won't flag apport
[21:43] <ripps> okay, what do I do with the .crash?
[21:44] <fta> once resolved by apport, i extract it manually: apport-unpack /var/crash/something /tmp/foo
[21:44] <fta> if the trace is correct, i post it on a bug
[21:45] <fta> otherwise, i install the missing dbg/dbgsym, edit the crash file to remove the end (added during resolve) and re-resolve again
[21:49] <ripps> fta: apport says I don't have enough memory to analyze to send to developers
[21:49] <fta> doh
[21:51] <fta> then go back to -g --single-process
[21:51] <fta> make it crash
[21:52] <fta> and;
[21:52] <fta> (gdb) backtrace full
[21:52] <fta> (gdb) info registers
[21:52] <fta> (gdb) x/16i $pc
[21:52] <fta> (gdb) thread apply all backtrace
[21:52] <fta> as mentioned in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[21:53] <ripps> yeah, I know how to this
[21:53] <fta> i meant it for the registers part
[21:54] <fta> in fact, we need the asm part
[22:00] <ripps> fta: okay, uploaded it to the bug
[22:09] <ripps> fta: wait, so the codecs are still building with sse3 code, despite them being disabled?
[22:09] <fta> seems so
[22:11] <chrisccoulson> asac - are you available to do a xulrunner upload at all?
[22:12] <asac> on a call
[22:12] <asac> chrisccoulson: is all done?
[22:12] <asac> gimme details
[22:12] <asac> i can upload after or tomorrow morning
[22:12] <asac> do you know if archive opens early?
[22:12] <chrisccoulson> asac - i'll do another test build tonight and have it ready for tomorrow morning
[22:12] <asac> sure that works
[22:12] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure when the archive opens again


[00:20] <cjwatson> Eickmeyer[m]: Cool, thanks (and I see you updated ubuntustudio-meta too)
[00:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yep, I have a good habit of updating the seed and the meta at the same time, cjwatson .
[00:30] <vorlon> xnox: the seed is the list of things that we have specifically decided to keep, everything else should be handled via germinate, and for bootstrapping I've been putting the overrides in the script
[00:31] <vorlon> xnox: as for documenting, this is so short-term I wouldn't spend much effort on it
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[21:49] <Bashing-om> nmrp3: try #ubuntu+1 .
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[16:06] <idong> hi! was trying to install xubuntu from iso... it stops after i was able to detect the iso file..
[16:06] <garuhhh> hi! was trying to install xubuntu from iso... it stops after i was able to detect the iso file..
[16:16] <garuhhh> ooops.. i got disconnected..
[16:16] <garuhhh> anyone have installed xubuntu from iso?
[17:02] <reload123> hi
[17:02] <reload123> I just started using xubuntu, when I click terminal I get a black screen and it logs me out from the user interface
[17:03] <reload123> does anyone have the skills to solve this problem?
[17:07] <reload123> aynone here?
[17:07] <jarnos> Anybody else have the problem that you have to click shutdown twise to get it work?
[17:09] <reload123> hmm
[17:09] <reload123> what do you mean?
[17:09] <reload123> didn't understand
[17:13] <kwhk> hi, TheSheep, u there?
[17:20] <reload123> anyone, please let me know when you can help
[17:23] <jarnos> reload123: could you make a bug report in launchpad.net? And use a different terminal in the mean time.
[17:26] <jarnos> Anyone have this problem: You have to click Applications > Quit twice to get the session dialog.
[17:26] <marist1> hello!
[17:26] <marist1> does somebody have problems with cd burning under 7.10?
[17:27] <marist1> ..
[17:28] <jarnos> marist1: Well I could not adjust burning speed in brasero. Once burning had error even though brasero did not report me one.
[17:49] <jarnos> What is the normal memory usage of Xubuntu when desktop is empty. Mine is 63MB, though I have added few items to a panel.
[17:50] <jarnos> It is half of the RAM in the machine!
[17:53] <zoredache> jarnos: it is time to consider adding more ram...  even the light systems prefer at least 256...
[17:56] <LiENUS> zoredache, why should ubuntu prefer at least 256 mb of ram?
[17:57] <LiENUS> i remember a time when linux wouldnt even auto detect more than 128 mb
[17:57] <jarnos> zoredache: Well, I could add 64MB, the PC is used for text processing mainly.
[17:58] <zoredache> LiENUS: because almost all programmers in the last 2-3 years have realized that it is cheaper to buy new hardware then it is to waste time optimizing code
[17:59] <LiENUS> at the time it wasnt optimizing code to support less than 128mb of ram
[17:59] <zoredache> you are of course free to use older versions
[18:01] <zoredache> 6 years ago when 128mb was standard programmers weren't trying to emulate functionality from Vista or OSX
[18:01] <LiENUS> what functionality?
[18:02] <zoredache> see compvis/beryl...  Checkout the desktop search features, checkout the automagic wifi reconfiguration
[18:02] <jarnos> zoredache: Don
[18:03] <LiENUS> i doubt jarnos is running comviz/beryl
[18:03] <jarnos> LiENUS: =
[18:04] <jarnos> LiENUS: I don't want those wasting resources.
[18:04] <zoredache> Yes, but he probably is running network manager, hald, and so on and so forth...
[18:04] <LiENUS> so why not suggest he turn those things off
[18:05] <zoredache> because it is not trivial, and a person who needs to ask the question probably won't be able to manage...  Plus, I have never really cared enough to figure out how
[18:06] <LiENUS> /etc/rc.d/hald stop is non trivial?
[18:06] <jarnos> I am going to turn Network Manager and Update notifier off from automatically started applications, since the PC is not used in internet connection.
[18:06] <jarnos> LiENUS: What is the benefit of hald and how much does it take resources?
[18:07] <Pres-Gas> so, can a group be a member of another group?
[18:07] <zoredache> Pres-Gas: last time I looked, no...
[18:08] <Pres-Gas> I thought so, zoredache, but was not sure.
[18:29] <LiENUS> jarnos, iirc hald handles adding/removing hardware
[18:31] <jarnos> LiENUS: like USB DISK?
[18:31] <LiENUS> like sound cards
[18:31] <LiENUS> it might handle usb disks too
[18:31] <LiENUS> but im not sure
[18:51] <ibolmo> hey, where's the Network Places in xubuntu ? :D
[18:52] <zoredache> there is no equivalent to network places in xubuntu
[18:53] <zoredache> there are several examples in the forums where people have use fuse and smb to get some smb mount functionality
[18:54] <zoredache> or you could just manually mount things from the command line
[19:02] <ibolmo> thanks zoredache
[19:20] <ibolmo> hey zoredache, my "Autostarted Applications" in the Settings menu is missing, what's the package that I'm missing?
[19:21] <zoredache> no idea
[19:21] <ibolmo> hehe, i'll google thanks
[19:22] <zoredache> the file seems to be xfce4-autostart-editor
[19:22] <ibolmo> thanks
[19:25] <ibolmo> weird, not found
[19:26] <zoredache> if this was debian, I would suggest you do a search at packages.debian.com.  I don't think ubuntu has a similar system though...
[19:26] <ibolmo> no worries, i'm looking it up
[19:28] <tehk> Can anyone suggest a light filebrowser/client that supports fish
[19:28] <ibolmo> actually
[19:28] <ibolmo> it's in my /usr/bin but not in the menu
[19:28] <ibolmo> weird
[19:39] <monty_> hello, i have just installed xubuntu , from where can i lock my desktop ?
[19:40] <zoredache> lock your desktop?
[19:40] <zoredache> as in nobody else can use it until they enter your password?
[19:40] <monty_> yes , for eg i have to go and i dont want any one to see or use my desktop
[19:41] <zoredache> Right click on any one of the panels, and choose add.  From the panel items list choose 'action button'
[19:41] <zoredache> the action button type should be 'lock screen'
[19:41] <monty_> zoredache : thank you , its there
[19:42] <zoredache> now all you should have to do is click the button to lock
[19:43] <monty_> thanks , its working  :)  , let me go and explore more  thanks again bye
[19:48] <longjohn> i have a dsl connection but no router. do i have to install my modem? if not, how can i find out which is the correct device in /dev/* ? thanks
[19:49] <zoredache> Does the DSL get directly connected to your computer, or does it go to a box that connects to an ethernet card in your computer?
[19:50] <longjohn> yes directly
[19:50] <longjohn> or wait
[19:50] <longjohn> from modem to pc-ethernet card
[19:50] <zoredache> You would probably need to figure out what kind of card you have in your cmputer and then search to see how to get it working under linux...
[19:51] <longjohn> the card works
[19:51] <zoredache> ah, so you do have a modem...
[19:51] <longjohn> yes. like i said =D
[19:51] <zoredache> how do you know the ethernet card works?
[19:52] <zoredache> usually ethernet devices don't show up in /dev.  You can get a list of ethernet devices by using the 'ip link' command in a terminal
[19:53] <longjohn> once a friend of mine was here with his router which was able to get connected to the pc
[19:53] <longjohn> i mean i was able to administrate the router from this pc with this network card
[19:55] <zoredache> well anyway to get the dsl modem connected you will need some information from your ISP.  Like do they need PPPOE, do they assign addresses via dhcp, if not do you need to statically enter ip addresses
[19:56] <longjohn> why do i need more than username and password? even windows can handle it with this data
[19:57] <zoredache> The reality is that Linux isn't as easy to install as windows in some cases...
[19:58] <zoredache> how does windows think the modem is configured?
[19:58] <zoredache> did you have to install some software from the isp, or?
[20:08] <MatBoy> is Terminal Service Client broken in Xubuntu Gutsy ?
[20:08] <zoredache> I have 4 sessions open right now... so I don't think it is broken...
[20:11] <MatBoy> zoredache, wierd, it does not work here anymore... does rdpc works full screen at your side too ?
[20:11] <MatBoy> *krdc
[20:12] <zoredache> krdc?  I thought you where talking about tsclient ...
[20:12] <shortjohn> zoredache ree, i disconnected. what other data could be required? dns ips ? i could get these easily
[20:13] <zoredache> MatBoy: tsclient seems to go to full screen just fine.
[20:14] <MatBoy> zoredache, indeed that worked before here too... it doesn't anymore in a strange way...
[20:14] <MatBoy> zoredache, with krdc I can use compiz, I can't with tsclient
[20:14] <MatBoy> cube...
[20:17] <slow-motion> hallo
[20:17] <ronnie> hi
[20:17] <MatBoy> zoredache, it tries --F here :S
[20:18] <MatBoy> oik solved that
[20:19] <MatBoy> zoredache, can you skip to another dekstop when in tsclient ? I mean when you opened tsclient, can you switch to a linux desktop ?
[20:20] <zoredache> I almost never am in full screen
[20:21] <zoredache> so yes, I can switch back in forth I just use alt-tab...
[20:21] <MatBoy> ok, I need krdc again in full screen
[20:21] <MatBoy> but it's not possible :(
[20:34] <arsenip> anyone have a TX series vaio with xubuntu / ubuntu?
[20:44] <arsenip> meh
[20:44] <arsenip> internets died, anyone have a TX vaio with buntu ? :p
[20:45] <zoredache> rather then doing a poll about who has what, why not ask your question if you have one
[20:48] <ronnie> one of them miniature notebooks right arsenip? make sure acpi and stuff runs nicely
[20:48] <ronnie> irqs a bit odd on them too
[20:48] <arsenip> well
[20:48] <arsenip> it has some extra keys
[20:48] <arsenip> on the lappy
[20:48] <arsenip> there is rarely drivers that work
[20:48] <arsenip> (or never used to)
[20:48] <arsenip> so im wondering if anyone has one with working media keys on it now
[20:48] <ronnie> make sure under system services hotkeys service is enabled
[20:49] <arsenip> system services?
[20:49] <ronnie> yeah applications> system> services
[20:49] <arsenip> only just installed xubuntu .. not touched xubuntu in a year, so im not sure where that is :p
[21:03] <arsenip> seems to be already on
[21:55] <slow-motion> n8
[21:58] <NullName> ANyone know why my volume control disapears from my panel in xubuntu 7.10?
[21:58] <NullName> I can't add it anymore either
[21:58] <NullName> once in a blue moon when I add it it will appear
[21:58] <NullName> it used to appear with no problems
[22:10] <zoredache> are you logging in with a different account perhaps?
[22:11] <NullName> nope
[22:11] <NullName> only one account
[22:11] <NullName> using xfce no crazy mods or anything
[22:11] <NullName> standard setup
[22:11] <NullName> it worked in 7.04
[22:11] <NullName> I upgraded and my volume control was gone
[22:12] <NullName> and now only once in a while can I get it back
[22:12] <NullName> it seems to have no pattern
[22:12] <NullName> and when I reboot the damn thing is gone
[22:32] <suranap> Hi, anyone know how to run a minimal X session? I just want to run remote X sessions. I don't need a desktop most of the time.
[22:45] <retour> I need help with wine. I can access *.exe file to start using midnight commander but from under console folder /wine/drive_c/Program Files is invisibe (Only Program Files) so I cant make a launcher to it
[22:48] <zoredache> retour: you probably need to try a wine channel, or the #ubuntu channel...  I don't think this channel is high volume enough to have someone who can answer you
[22:50] <retour> well I've installed Xubuntu so I was hoping thats my best bet as it may be a simple acess settings bug
[22:55] <arsenip> are there any issues with beryl and xfce4?
[23:21] <arsenip> scratch that
[23:22] <arsenip> anyone using xubuntu 7.10 with compiz-fusion?


[21:48] <steemed> Hello
[21:50] <steemed> can anyone review I bug I made on dependencies?
[21:50] <steemed> For ubuntu one?
[21:57] <steemed> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-control-panel/+bug/995262 I'll just leave this here if anyone is interested in solving a bug


[16:41] <tyhicks> hello
[16:41] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> o/
[16:41] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:41] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:41] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Sep 14 16:41:47 2015 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:41] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:41] <tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:41] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:41] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:42] <tyhicks> Thanks to Stefan Bader (smb) for his help on security updates for xen last week. Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job! :)
[16:42] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:42] <tyhicks> jdstrand: you're up
[16:43] <jdstrand> so I've got a number of snappy things on my plate. namely, some doc writing and helping tyhicks prepare for a sprint next week
[16:44] <jdstrand> there are two snappy investigations I need to finish up with emails to the architects
[16:44] <jdstrand> then there is the golang/juju MIRs. for the moment, I've provided everything they need to do in terms of packaging, but I imagine there are going to be numerous followups
[16:45] <jdstrand> that's it from me
[16:45] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[16:45] <mdeslaur> I'm on community this week
[16:45] <mdeslaur> I have patch piloting to do tomorrow
[16:45] <mdeslaur> I'm currently testing some unity-settings-daemon and icu updates
[16:45] <mdeslaur> and am working on openldap updates
[16:46] <mdeslaur> and will pick up some more after
[16:46] <mdeslaur> that's about it from me
[16:46] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[16:46] <sbeattie> I'm on security bug triage this week
[16:47] <sbeattie> I'm also continuing to come up to speed on the kernel sign-off/triage process
[16:47] <sbeattie> I'm doing more test builds with gcc-pie, and am looking to do some benchmarking this week
[16:48] <sbeattie> I also have some apparmor patches to review.
[16:48] <sbeattie> That's it for me. tyhicks?
[16:48] <tyhicks> I'm on CVE triage this week
[16:49] <tyhicks> I'm preparing for the snappy sprint
[16:49] <tyhicks> that includes some design work, preparing presentations, and some reviews of existing designs
[16:50] <tyhicks> I'll be poking at SRU'ing the fixes for bug #1478087
[16:50] <tyhicks> and there's an embargoed issue that deserves some attention, too
[16:51] <tyhicks> I think that's it for me
[16:52] <tyhicks> jjohansen: are you around?
[16:53] <tyhicks> lets come back to him
[16:53] <tyhicks> sarnold: go ahead
[16:53] <sarnold> I'm in the happy place this week; I'm working on the juju-core MIR, I'll move to the fwupdate MIR once finished, and if there's still time left in the week, start the lxd MIR. I'll also help along with an embargoed issue if needed.
[16:54] <sarnold> I think that's it for me, chrisccoulson?
[16:54] <chrisccoulson> This week I'll be preparing the next Firefox release
[16:54] <chrisccoulson> I also need to spend some time getting trunk building, again
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> Other than that, I'll be working through some bugs on https://launchpad.net/oxide/+milestone/branch-1.11
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> I think that's me done
[16:56] <tyhicks> ok
[16:56] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:56] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:56] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:56] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/lasso.html
[16:56] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/oftc-hybrid.html
[16:56] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libjbcrypt-java.html
[16:56] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/kdepim.html
[16:57] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libinfinity.html
[16:57] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:57] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:59] <tyhicks> jdstrand, mdeslaur, sbeattie, sarnold, ChrisCoulson: Thanks!
[16:59] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[16:59] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Sep 14 16:59:42 2015 UTC.
[16:59] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-09-14-16.41.moin.txt
[16:59] <mdeslaur> thanks tyhicks!
[17:00] <jdstrand> tyhicks: thanks! :)
[17:00] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks!
[17:01] <sbeattie> tyhicks: thanks!
[19:01]  * infinity looks around.
[19:04] <cyphermox> o/
[19:05] <bdmurray> o/
[19:11] <cyphermox> Unit193: around?
[19:11] <Unit193> cyphermox: Nope.
[19:11] <cyphermox> awesome.
[19:11] <Unit193> Hrm, think that might have been the wrong answer.
[19:12] <cyphermox> pishuilu1128: ShuiLu Pi: you there?
[19:12] <cyphermox> Unit193: can't make the meeting?
[19:12] <Unit193> cyphermox: I'm here, was just thinking about making coffee but figured would miss something.
[19:13]  * xnox o/
[19:13] <cyphermox> Unit193: not missing anything yet :)
[19:13]  * genii makes the next batch of coffee
[19:16] <cyphermox> we're four, that should make quorum.
[19:17] <cyphermox> I'd be next to chair after Laney, I guess I can do it now
[19:17] <cyphermox> bdmurray: infinity: xnox: all good to have the meeting?
[19:17] <infinity> cyphermox: I'm pumped.
[19:17] <cyphermox> awesome.
[19:17] <infinity> Super excited.
[19:17] <infinity> Can't wait.
[19:17] <infinity> Meeting me harder.
[19:17] <cyphermox> me too, you have no idea.
[19:17] <cyphermox> #startmeeting Ubuntu DMB
[19:17] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Sep 14 19:17:57 2015 UTC.  The chair is cyphermox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[19:17] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[19:18] <xnox> infinity: 102 sleeps till christmas!
[19:18] <cyphermox> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[19:18] <infinity> xnox: Or 8 sleeps, for me.
[19:18] <xnox> >_<
[19:18] <xnox> =))))
[19:19] <cyphermox> woops.
[19:19] <cyphermox> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[19:19] <cyphermox> ugh
[19:19] <cyphermox> #votesrequired 4
[19:19] <meetingology> votes now need 4 to be passed
[19:20] <cyphermox> #voters infinity cyphermox xnox bdmurray
[19:20] <meetingology> Current voters: bdmurray cyphermox infinity xnox
[19:20] <xnox> wow, i never used votesrequired command =)
[19:20] <cyphermox> #topic Unit193's application for Xubuntu package set
[19:20] <xnox> always stopped the vote manually.
[19:20] <cyphermox> xnox: automated tallying.
[19:20]  * xnox says cyphermox is so advanced
[19:21] <cyphermox> Unit193: please introduce yourself, and we'll ask you questions
[19:21] <Unit193> Howdy.  I'm "Unit 193", Xubuntu developer and contributor to Debian and Ubuntu.
[19:21] <Unit193> I'm kind of part of the Ohio LoCo, but it's a bit inactive.
[19:24] <cyphermox> Unit193: do you have examples of work you're particularly proud of?
[19:25] <Unit193> cyphermox: There were a couple I linked, the parole bug that was an Ubuntu only issue that wouldn't allow the user to load plugins comes to mind, that one lasted a few cycles.  There's nothing that really comes to mind that I'd be specifically "proud" of.
[19:27] <cyphermox> quite nice
[19:27] <cyphermox> Anybody else have questions?
[19:27] <infinity> I don't really, I think the application speaks for itself.
[19:28] <bdmurray> I don't have any questions.
[19:28] <Unit193> I've been able to get a few packages I have locally into Debian too! \o/
[19:28] <cyphermox> alrighty then
[19:28] <cyphermox> xnox: you ready to vote?
[19:28] <infinity> My only question is if we have a formal "real names" policy (I don't think we do?), cause Unit193 might have some issues there. :P
[19:29] <xnox> infinity: we do not have such a policy, nor do we demand people to be in a web of trust.
[19:29] <Unit193> infinity: Yeah, specifically for DM, that'll be harder to get GPG sigs..
[19:29] <infinity> Unit193: GPG cross-signing isn't impossible in such cases, but it means being signed by people who actually know you, and can connect the pseudonym to the person.
[19:30] <infinity> Unit193: FWIW, those are the sorts of sigs I prefer anyway (human trust, rather than government trust), but harder to come by when you're trying to break into a community.
[19:30] <xnox> Unit193: DM -> as in Debian Maintainer?! This is Ubuntu Developer Membership Board and cannot advice about Debian. Contact Debian Front Desk about it.
[19:30] <infinity> xnox: :P
[19:30] <cyphermox> #vote Unit193 to be have be added to the Xubuntu package set uploaders
[19:30] <meetingology> Please vote on: Unit193 to be have be added to the Xubuntu package set uploaders
[19:30] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[19:30] <infinity> +1
[19:30] <meetingology> +1 received from infinity
[19:30]  * cyphermox sucks at typing
[19:30] <cyphermox> +1
[19:30] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[19:30] <bdmurray> +1
[19:30] <meetingology> +1 received from bdmurray
[19:30] <xnox> +1
[19:30] <meetingology> +1 received from xnox
[19:31] <cyphermox> #endvote
[19:31] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Unit193 to be have be added to the Xubuntu package set uploaders
[19:31] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[19:31] <meetingology> Motion carried
[19:31] <Unit193> Wow, thanks guys!
[19:31] <bdmurray> Congatulations
[19:31] <cyphermox> Congrats
[19:32] <cyphermox> so, moving on to pending actions. sorry for doing things out of order
[19:32] <cyphermox> #topic Review of pending action items
[19:32]  * xnox probably was supposed to send notes
[19:32] <cyphermox> bdmurray: can we cross off your pad task?
[19:32]  * xnox probably was supposed to send info for prospecting core developers
[19:33] <bdmurray> cyphermox: yeah, I started a bzr branch for the same thing
[19:33] <cyphermox> xnox: that wasn't even on the wiki, we should add it
[19:33] <cyphermox> bdmurray: ok
[19:33]  * xnox probably should not have failed at adding tasks to the wiki from the meeting i chaired
[19:33] <cyphermox> anything else?
[19:34] <cyphermox> #topic Next chair
[19:34] <infinity> I assume we skipped Laney?
[19:34] <cyphermox> I think we were discussing that it was up to Laney?
[19:34] <cyphermox> maybe, yes
[19:34] <infinity> So, Laney, then Micah.
[19:35] <cyphermox> yep
[19:35] <cyphermox> #topic Any other business
[19:35] <cyphermox> anything anyone wants to add?
[19:36] <infinity> On the AOB front, it might be nice to delete the Fridge meeting and recreate one that actually has useful info and attendees.
[19:36] <infinity> Copying to calendars manually is so 1993.
[19:36]  * cyphermox shrugs
[19:36] <cyphermox> first time chairing a DMB meeting, and just looking at the wiki pages to try and guess what needs to be done
[19:37] <cyphermox> does the meeting need any special access I don't have to be modified, etc?
[19:37] <infinity> I don't think any of us can edit it.
[19:38] <cyphermox> yeah, that's what I thought
[19:38] <cyphermox> #action Update Fridge meeting info
[19:38] <meetingology> ACTION: Update Fridge meeting info
[19:38] <cyphermox> #action Laney to chair next meeting
[19:38] <meetingology> ACTION: Laney to chair next meeting
[19:38] <cyphermox> is this all?
[19:39] <infinity> And someone should add unit193 to the xubuntu packageset acl.
[19:39] <infinity> I can do that.
[19:39] <cyphermox> alright
[19:40] <cyphermox> #action infinity to add unit193 to xubuntu packageset ACL
[19:40] <meetingology> ACTION: infinity to add unit193 to xubuntu packageset ACL
[19:40] <cyphermox> xnox: bdmurray: good to end the meeting?
[19:40] <xnox> si
[19:41] <bdmurray> aye
[19:41] <cyphermox> #endmeeting
[19:41] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Sep 14 19:41:28 2015 UTC.
[19:41] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-09-14-19.17.moin.txt
[19:41] <infinity> cyphermox: Ta.
[19:42] <Unit193> cyphermox: Thanks.
[19:43] <cyphermox> Unit193: thank you for your great work! keep it up :)