[00:46] <nixternal> huh, someone say my name?
[00:57] <_groo_> ok nixternal went crazy completely
[00:57] <_groo_> asking in a silent room if someone said is name
[00:57] <_groo_> i knew that would happen eventually
[00:58] <_groo_> like me, talking to myself in a silent room
[00:58] <_groo_> maybe i should cook some cats now...
[00:58]  * _groo_ goes to cook some of his cats...
[01:07] <nixternal> mmmm cats
[01:08] <_groo_> nixternal: chomp chomp.. want some?
[01:08]  * _groo_ hands nixternal a crispy cat leg
[01:08] <nixternal> putting some on a taco shell as we speak :)
[01:08] <nixternal> CAT TACOS!
[01:08] <_groo_> CATACOS
[01:09] <_groo_> sounds like a borderline little city between mexico and texas
[01:09] <nixternal> haha
[01:10] <_groo_> nixternal: nix real quick since i need to go home
[01:11] <_groo_> nixternal: im doing the tomahawk package
[01:11] <_groo_> nixternal: but dh is copying same libs twice, one to /usr/lib and other to /usr/lib64
[01:11] <_groo_> nixternal: but if i do a dpkg --contents it only shows the ones in lib64
[01:11] <_groo_> nixternal: and if i remove the package both sets of libs are moved from both lib and lib64
[01:12] <_groo_> have you ever seen this before?
[01:15] <_groo_> nixternal: actually its copying the libs to /lib and make symlinks to /lib64!... never seen this behaviour before...
[01:20] <_groo_> nixternal: even worse, they are hardlinked
[07:25] <micahg> is there a reason why kpackagekit is in Section: libs?
[07:27] <javalogger> bad copy'n'paste I suppose
[07:28] <micahg> javalogger: should I file a bug in LP, Debian, or both?
[07:30] <javalogger> me@avatar:/tmp/kpackagekit-<IP_ADDRESS>/debian$ grep Section *
[07:30] <javalogger> control:Section: kde
[07:30] <javalogger> that is interesting
[07:31] <javalogger> micahg: both, though since we propose our changes to debian when merging I suppose LP would be sufficient too
[07:31] <micahg> javalogger: ok, will do a little later, thanks
[07:32] <javalogger> what is even more interesting is that the build log also says the package has section kde Oo
[07:34] <micahg> wow
[07:34] <javalogger> me@avatar:/var/cache/apt/archives$ dpkg-deb -I kpackagekit_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu2_i386.deb  | grep Section
[07:34] <javalogger>  Section: kde
[07:34] <micahg> javalogger: maybe it's an archive override?
[07:34] <javalogger> perhaps, Riddell will know
[07:35] <javalogger> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kpackagekit/+publishinghistory
[07:37] <micahg> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/kpackagekit/natty/view/head:/debian/control agrees with your local copy :)
[07:37] <micahg> so it must be an archive override or some other weird thing
[07:43] <_human_blip_> I have a problem with system-config-printer-kde that started with the upgrade to 4.6.1 via the kubuntu-backports ppa but continued after upgrading to natty. Should I ask about it here or in #kubuntu?
[07:49] <javalogger> _human_blip_: #kubuntu is for support
[07:51] <Tm_T> then again, natty isn't supported there (:
[07:51] <javalogger> Tm_T: read again :P
[07:52] <Tm_T> if he is now in natty, it's hard to test
[07:52] <Tm_T> s/he/they/
[07:53] <Tm_T> anyway, stating the problem in #kubuntu is a start (:
[07:53] <_human_blip_> javaloger: read where? not obvious or I wouldn't be asking.
[07:53] <javalogger> pardon?
[09:09] <kunal> Riddell: hello
[09:52] <Riddell> hello kunal
[09:54] <Riddell> claydoh: fancy starting us off with https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NattyNarwhal/Beta1/Kubuntu ?
[10:35] <bambee> morning
[10:35] <bambee> debfx: thanks for your review I totally forgot that...
[10:35] <bambee> :)
[10:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what about the qml uds schedule app btw?
[10:38] <bambee> I definitively don't understand why does dpkg-buildpackage add it in .debian.tar.gz ...
[10:39] <apachelogger> bambee: add what?
[10:40] <bambee> apachelogger: debian/patches/debian-changes-${version}
[10:41] <apachelogger> to carry your diff :P
[10:42] <apachelogger> in previous source format versions dpkg-buildpackage would create the dsc and a diff.gz, it was very common to change things inside the package without an actual patch and have the difference show up as part of the diff in diff.gz
[10:42] <bambee> aahhh...
[10:43] <apachelogger> this of course comes with a set of problems, most importantly however the diff.gz is not particularly accessible so the debian.tar.gz got introduced, which however would take away the possibility to easily change something
[10:43] <apachelogger> so instead debsrc3 just makes a change applied directly in the source into a patch
[10:43] <bambee> interesting..
[10:44] <apachelogger> which is a very sane thing for the better part as those changes usually are macro changes and directly related to what the changelog will contain for that particular change, so creating the patch with teh changelog entry as description is a perfect approach for this use case
[10:44]  * apachelogger notes that this approach is however are not very common in ubuntu but quite a bit within debian
[10:55] <agateau> debfx: hey, I have Amarok patches I'd like to get in Natty, since I am famous for not using the right bzr branches, which bzr branch should I pick? lp:~kubuntu-members/amarok/natty seems to be packaging upcoming 2.4.1 release, is there a bzr branch for the 2.4.0 package?
[10:57] <agateau> bambee: this often happened to me if I changed patches right after getting the source package: it is because nowadays unpacking the source packages applies the patches, be sure to do "quilt pop -a" before editing patches
[10:59]  * bambee adds this command in his "tips&tricks" notes
[10:59] <bambee> agateau: okay thanks
[11:00] <bambee> have a good lunch
[11:06] <agateau> Riddell: you probably know the answer to my amarok question as well ^
[11:07] <Riddell> agateau: lp:~kubuntu-members/amarok/ubuntu
[11:08] <agateau> Riddell: what worries me is that it packages <IP_ADDRESS>, which most likely already contains one of the patches I applied. Do you think we will ship 2.4.1 with Natty?
[11:09] <Riddell> oh so it does, we're undecided on if we'll ship 2.4.1 or 2.4.0, it depends when it gets released and how stable it is
[11:09] <Riddell> for now the plan is 2.4.0 since I don't think there's a release schedule for 2.4.1
[11:10] <Riddell> so just apt-get source amarok and diff to that
[11:13] <agateau> Riddell: and mail the patches to you?
[11:13] <Riddell> yes can do
[11:22] <agateau> Riddell: great, mailing then
[11:28] <kunal> Riddell: i am working on avogadro for  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/707794
[11:28] <Riddell> kunal: do you think it's possible?
[11:29] <agateau> Riddell: patches sent
[11:29] <kunal> Riddell: wanted to know if reasonable to disable GLSL   on armel
[11:30] <Riddell> kunal: what's GLSL?
[11:31] <kunal> Riddell: it's dependent on  ligglew
[11:31] <kunal> Riddell: if remove libglew i get the message  CMake Warning at CMakeLists.txt:185 (message):
[11:31] <kunal>    GLEW not found, please install it if you require GLSL
[11:33] <Riddell> kunal: if that's what's needed to get it compiled on arm then yes
[11:33] <kunal> Riddell: i have made two changes
[11:33] <kunal> 1. control file - libqt4-opengl-dev and libglew1.5-dev on [i386 amd64 powerpc]
[11:34] <kunal> 2. rules file - ifeq (,$(filter $(DEB_HOST_ARCH),armel armhf))
[11:34] <kunal>  DEB_CMAKE_EXTRA_FLAGS += -DENABLE_GLSL=ON
[11:34] <kunal> endif
[11:34] <Riddell> kunal: and that fixes it?
[11:35] <kunal> Riddell: not tried on arm build, wanted to know that whether GLSL can be disabled
[11:36] <Riddell> kunal: I would think so, if that is what's needed to get it compiled.  I don't know anything about avogadro myself though
[11:37] <Riddell> kunal: but do try it now and see if it will compile
[11:37] <kunal> Riddell: ok, i'll try
[11:38] <Riddell> agateau: we're in beta freeze so I can't upload until Friday
[11:38] <agateau> Riddell: no problem, can you just ping me when it's in?
[11:41] <Riddell> agateau: oui
[11:41]  * agateau wishes he could answer Riddell with a scottish version of "thanks"
[11:59] <Riddell> agateau: a bottle of whisky would do :)
[11:59] <agateau> Riddell: damn, translations aren't cheap!
[13:31] <jussi> apachelogger: apachelogger!!!
[13:33] <apachelogger> jussi: did something happen? :O
[13:33]  * apachelogger blames Riddell
[13:33] <Riddell> wasnae me
[13:54] <ScottK> Wow.  Koffice build on armel is not done yet ...
[14:01] <Riddell> it takes its time
[14:01] <jussi> apachelogger: I want a diaspora app for android :D
[14:02] <apachelogger> who doesnt
[14:02] <ScottK> o/
[14:02]  * ScottK doesn't even know what it is.
[14:16] <apachelogger> [head -> wall]+
[14:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: will you help me rewrite phonon in java?
[14:16] <apachelogger> ScottK: android is a legacy operating system for mobile devices, replaced by Microsoft Windows Phone Seven in 2010
[14:16] <ScottK> apachelogger: I know what Android is.
[14:17] <apachelogger> -*- ScottK doesn't even know what it is.
[14:17] <ScottK> It's the thing that if you make a phone using it Microsoft will sue you.
[14:17] <apachelogger> liar!
[14:17] <ScottK> apachelogger:  diaspora.
[14:17] <apachelogger> ScottK: open source facebook
[14:17] <ScottK> That was the 'it' in question.
[14:17] <ScottK> Oh.
[14:18] <apachelogger> https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora
[14:18] <ScottK> I vaguely remember that now.
[14:18] <apachelogger> it is the luuuby
[14:30] <bambee> debfx: I don't understand... you said that libmygpo-qt it under the terms of the LGPL2.1+ license... however both libmygpo-qt/LICENSE and debian/copyright contain the same copy...
[14:31] <Riddell> bambee: "License: LGPL-2.1" in debian/copyright should be "License: LGPL-2.1+"
[14:31] <bambee> that all ?
[14:31] <bambee> ok
[14:31] <Riddell> twice
[14:31] <Riddell> actually three times
[14:34] <bambee> done
[14:45] <ScottK> Riddell: I don't understand why we need these -workspace changes?
[14:50] <Riddell> ScottK: because currently kdm and plasma-desktop get pulled onto the mobile image
[14:50] <ScottK> Because they're in Main?
[14:51] <ScottK> Riddell: Could we do it with an explicit excludes in the mobile seed so the alternate gets picked up?
[14:51] <Riddell> because something pulls in kdebase-workspace and kdebase-workspace-bin into kubuntu-common, they pull in kdm and plasma-desktop
[14:51] <Riddell> blacklisting doesn't work any more
[14:52] <ScottK> Oh.
[14:52] <ScottK> Explicitly seeding nodm?
[14:52] <ScottK> Since it's Recommends: kdm (>= ${source:Version}) | nodm
[14:52] <Riddell> we do, in the mobile seed, but kubuntu-common gets included before mobile and it brings in kdm
[14:52] <ScottK> Ah.
[14:52] <ScottK> OK.
[14:53] <ScottK> This will put us back ~14 hours on armel.  No testing until tomorrow.
[14:53] <ScottK> Riddell: If you're good with ^^^, I'll accept.
[14:53] <Riddell> ScottK: for mobile only, desktop images should be fine
[14:53] <ScottK> OK.
[14:54] <ScottK> Done.
[14:54] <Riddell> and since today's mobile image boots up into kdm and plasma-desktop, it's not much of a mobile image :)
[14:54] <ScottK> Right.
[14:54] <ScottK> We should have i386/amd64 in a couple of hours, so maybe we can respin those anyway, just to be current.
[14:54] <Riddell> yes
[15:06] <bambee> libqzeitgeist has been uploaded to revu by the way
[15:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can you confirm or deny does not save cookies between sessions https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=269700, back to google doesn't work https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=269701, clicking back does not change URL bar https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=269702
[15:12] <shadeslayer> hey Riddell
[15:12] <shadeslayer> looking
[15:12] <shadeslayer> i'm on a shitty connection here ... 3 second lag
[15:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kde bug 269701looks like a dupe, need to fish out the exact bug .. but yeah it's definitely a dupe
[15:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I couldn't find anything search for google and back in open bugs
[15:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: okay i can't seem to find anything either
[15:39] <shadeslayer> so marking as confirmed
[15:46] <shadeslayer> m4n1sh: around?
[15:55] <shadeslayer> nvm
[16:25] <m4n1sh> shadeslayer: pong
[16:32] <ScottK> Is libreoffice 3.3 any less crashy than OOo 3.2?
[16:32] <ScottK> txwikinger: ^^^ - You'd know, right?
[16:50] <droidslayer> ScottK: well .. It certainly is much better than OOo
[16:50] <droidslayer> Still missing proper kde integration :(
[16:51] <ScottK> I'd settle for not crashing so much.
[16:51] <ScottK> That would be great progress.
[16:53] <droidslayer> :)
[17:00] <yofel> any idea how I can use a different color scheme just for LO? LO/OOo look horrible with a dark colorscheme
[17:01] <yofel> I would esp. expect the paper color to be white in any case for a WYSISYG editor...
[17:12] <shadeslayer> m4n1sh: problem resolved, thanks tho :)
[17:13] <m4n1sh> shadeslayer: anyway what was the problem?
[17:13] <shadeslayer> m4n1sh: i was wondering of qtzeitgeist stored logs in nepomuk db's
[17:14] <m4n1sh> nope it doesnt
[17:14] <m4n1sh> hope that was the answer  you got
[17:14] <shadeslayer> yep :)
[17:15] <shadeslayer> m4n1sh: because i'm thinking of integrating Telepathy and Nepomuk, but then someone suggested qtzeitgeist, but i need the logs in nepomuk so that i get automatic integration with dolphin and other KDE apps
[17:15] <m4n1sh> shadeslayer: automatic integration with dolphin?
[17:16] <m4n1sh> I think a zeitgeist-kate integration exists
[17:16] <shadeslayer> m4n1sh: tags show up in the side bar, in searches, etc etc
[17:16] <m4n1sh> I am not very sure how nepomuk works
[17:16] <m4n1sh> so wont comment
[17:16] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I need less integration and more Nepomuk not eating my CPU & I/O.
[17:16] <m4n1sh> but zeitgeist-plasma support is also coming
[17:17] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i talked to a nepomuk dev during conf.kde.in and they said they're trying to fix that
[17:17] <ScottK> shadeslayer: They've been saying that since years now.
[17:17] <shadeslayer> hehe
[17:18] <shadeslayer> m4n1sh: any ETA?
[17:18] <m4n1sh> shadeslayer: it's a GSoC proposal
[17:18] <ScottK> Thursday.  Just don't ask which one.
[17:18] <m4n1sh> so have to wait for it
[17:18] <shadeslayer> ScottK: lol
[17:19] <shadeslayer> m4n1sh: okay, seeing how i want to do Telepathy integration with KDE this GSoC, i don't think zeitgeist fits the plan.... ;(
[17:19] <shadeslayer> s/;/:
[17:20] <m4n1sh> LOLZ
[17:20] <m4n1sh> shadeslayer: that is your GSoC proposal
[17:20] <m4n1sh> we can get it done pretty early too
[17:20] <m4n1sh> but its good to give chance to others too
[17:20] <m4n1sh> interesting developers
[17:20] <m4n1sh> err. I mean interesting projects
[17:21] <shadeslayer> m4n1sh: please don't rush code just because i said so :P
[17:21] <m4n1sh> shadeslayer: we wont.. its good to leave simple projects to new people so that they can learn about it
[17:21] <shadeslayer> one could integrate zeitgeist once it's fully compatible in the future after GSoC too
[17:22] <shadeslayer> ^^ more choice to the user ... he can choose nepomuk or zeitgeist
[17:22] <ScottK> They do different things, AFAIK.
[17:22] <m4n1sh> anyway most of the zeitgeist devs are from gnome background and for them it will take time for them to get familiar with KDE
[17:22] <m4n1sh> I dont have much experience with Nepomuk
[17:22] <m4n1sh> but Zeitgeist is an event store
[17:22] <m4n1sh> and zeitgeist ontology is based on Nepomuk
[17:22] <shadeslayer> ScottK: right, nepomuk doesn't log chats right now, but that's something i'm going to try and implement this GSoC
[17:23] <m4n1sh> shadeslayer: whole chat log stored in nepomuk database?
[17:24] <shadeslayer> m4n1sh: that's what trueg wants, i'm not entirely comfy with the idea myself
[17:24] <shadeslayer> still thinking what can be done ....
[17:24] <m4n1sh> the chat logs can become huge
[17:24] <m4n1sh> as day passes
[17:24] <m4n1sh> esp if you start storing irc logs
[17:24] <shadeslayer> i agree
[17:24] <m4n1sh> then no one knows where it will go
[17:25] <shadeslayer> m4n1sh: and say a user turns off nepomuk .. then what happens
[17:25] <ScottK> Then their system doesn't bog down.
[17:26] <shadeslayer> true ... along with all chats being lost
[17:27]  * m4n1sh needs to give KDE a try again after months
[17:27] <m4n1sh> ScottK: is nepomuk performance that bad? really?
[17:27] <m4n1sh> or are you just saying it in a funny way?
[17:28] <ScottK> Depends on what you're using.
[17:28] <ScottK> On my netbook, it's an absolute killer.
[17:29] <ScottK> On my current laptop it's a real PITA.
[17:29] <m4n1sh> so you turn it off?
[17:29]  * apachelogger scratches his ear
[17:29] <ScottK> If I had some fancy i7 bazillion core box with a TB of RAM, I'm sure it'd be fine.
[17:29] <ScottK> Yes.
[17:29] <ScottK> Most of my hardware is a few years old, but I don't actually own any hardware it's usable on.
[17:30] <m4n1sh> that's bad
[17:30] <ScottK> Same with Strigi.
[17:30] <ScottK> This is also why Ubuntu gave up on Tracker.
[17:30] <ScottK> I've never seen any meta-search thing that didn't just kill performance.
[17:31]  * apachelogger has a fancy i7 bazillion core box with 6 GiB of RAM and stuff is still killing it :P
[17:31] <ScottK> Yet, it seems to me that the developers of such things are so wrapped up in how wonderful the results are they don't pay attention to this at all.
[17:31] <apachelogger> though quite frankly shitty X is more of a performance drain
[17:32] <ScottK> Sometimes X drags systems down too.
[17:32] <apachelogger> well
[17:32] <apachelogger> we all know the solution to all this
[17:32] <apachelogger> actually there are 2 options
[17:32] <apachelogger> a) redo our system with darwin as base
[17:32] <ScottK> Wayland?
[17:32] <apachelogger> b) rewrite our system in java
[17:32] <tazz> question! i was knights ( http://packages.debian.org/sid/knights )  to be included in kubuntu also.
[17:33] <m4n1sh> more people ask for zeitgeist-tracker integration
[17:33] <m4n1sh> forgetting that someone has to manage the integration too
[17:33] <m4n1sh> it's pain to maintain, and in Activity Journal 0.6.0 we removed Tracker integration
[17:33] <m4n1sh> as it was buggy and crashy
[17:33] <m4n1sh> I stopped using Tracker.. used it long back when it was very slow
[17:33] <m4n1sh> apachelogger: a fork bomb would perform better :)
[17:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: that'd be a workaround I suppose :P
[17:33] <tazz> how do i go about it? Do i re-package it in debian?
[17:33] <ScottK> apachelogger: rewrite in Jave so the current one seems fast?
[17:34] <apachelogger> you are marked by years of people who had no idea of the suprior language design of java producing software clearly
[17:34] <ScottK> No, I'm marked by having actually attempted to use Java apps.
[17:34] <apachelogger> also you should read my book 'holy java'
[17:34] <apachelogger> I describe in detail how to make the best out of it
[17:35] <apachelogger> essentially it boils down to not use 90% of the language's capabilities
[17:36] <ScottK> tazz: We can sync it from Debian, but since we are late in the development cycle it'll need review by the release team.  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess for details on how to ask for a Feature Freeze exception to get it in.
[17:36] <tazz> ScottK, http://packages.debian.org/sid/knights
[17:36] <tazz> checking link
[17:47] <seiflotfy> ok guys
[17:47] <seiflotfy> nepomuk and zeitgeist are 2 VERY different things
[17:47] <seiflotfy> very different
[17:47] <seiflotfy> nepomuk is a metadata sotrage
[17:47] <seiflotfy> zeitgeist is something like "recently used" manager on steroids
[17:47] <seiflotfy> nepomuk knows what your data is about
[17:48] <seiflotfy> zeitgeist knows how you use your data
[17:50]  * claydoh hates wiki.kubuntu.org atm
[17:51] <claydoh> Riddell: im on the release now, hopefully the wiki cooperates :(
[17:52] <Riddell> claydoh: I think it does always save  you just have to load the page manually
[17:53] <claydoh> yeah luckily I found that out but it is super slow, errors, and didn't copy the images lol
[17:53] <claydoh> not too hard tho
[17:53] <seiflotfy> ScottK, did we not share a room together at UDS
[17:53] <claydoh> Riddell: any new bits we need to add  since alpha3? other than 4,6,1
[17:53] <ScottK> seiflotfy: We did.
[17:54] <ScottK> seiflotfy: You were drooling over my beautiful Kubuntu Netbook installation, IIRC.
[17:54] <shadeslayer> hahaha :D
[17:54] <seiflotfy> ScottK, yeah
[17:54] <seiflotfy> lol
[17:54] <seiflotfy> ScottK, and guess what
[17:54] <seiflotfy> i decided to bring Zeitgeist to KDE
[17:54] <shadeslayer> ScottK: aw ... we didn't get to meet :(
[17:54] <seiflotfy> because the community rocks
[17:54] <shadeslayer> drat
[17:54] <shadeslayer> seiflotfy: ^^
[17:55] <seiflotfy> i must give you props on that guyds
[17:55] <seiflotfy> KDE ppl you tend to take matters in your own hand
[17:55] <seiflotfy> and have a better unity than other communities
[17:55] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Not that UDS.  The one in Belgium.
[17:56] <manish> seiflotfy: atleast there are no shitstorms :)
[17:57] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:57] <shadeslayer> seiflotfy: can you explain what you are planning with zeitgeist + KDE?
[17:59] <seiflotfy> shadeslayer, do u know the difference between nepomuk and zeitgeist first?
[17:59] <Riddell> vHanda had good things to say about zeitgeist when I ask him in his nepomuk talk at conf.kde.in
[18:00] <seiflotfy> nice
[18:00] <shadeslayer> seiflotfy: you just explained it, nepomuk = meta data indexer, knows what your data is about
[18:00] <seiflotfy> shadeslayer, well we can create much more intelligent "activities"
[18:00] <shadeslayer> seiflotfy: zeitgeist = knows what you do with your data
[18:00] <seiflotfy> we can provide you with most used files per application or per location
[18:01] <shadeslayer> seiflotfy: ah .. so say i open koffice, and click on the open dialog, it'll populate the dialog with files i use most
[18:02] <manish> shadeslayer: zg can provide you with list of people with whom you chat the most in any order
[18:02] <shadeslayer> whereas nepomuk will tell me who sent me that file and at what date i last edited it, etc etc
[18:02] <shadeslayer> ooh
[18:02] <seiflotfy> shadeslayer, yeah exactly
[18:02] <seiflotfy> shadeslayer, well anything that has to do with time is zeitgeist terriotory
[18:02] <seiflotfy> but stuff like tags and searching is done by nepomuk
[18:03] <seiflotfy> we cant search really
[18:03] <manish> the or which directory you use to save the file the most
[18:03] <seiflotfy> only over extensions
[18:03] <shadeslayer> seiflotfy: oh .. but nepomuk does timeline stuff as well :)
[18:03] <shadeslayer> hehe
[18:03] <seiflotfy> shadeslayer, it overwrites attributes
[18:03] <seiflotfy> which means it only knows when is last edited
[18:03] <seiflotfy> it does not know everytime u edited it
[18:03] <shadeslayer> seiflotfy: vHanda hates it when people say nepomuk is a search tool :P
[18:03] <seiflotfy> which is the main requirment for "most used"
[18:03] <seiflotfy> shadeslayer, its not
[18:03] <manish> zeitgeist can stores all the time when the file was accessed or modified
[18:03] <seiflotfy> its a repository
[18:03] <shadeslayer> yet he started with a cool searching video app :P
[18:03] <shadeslayer> seiflotfy: *nod*
[18:04] <seiflotfy> shadeslayer, can u send me a link to the KDE videos
[18:04] <seiflotfy> of the conference in indaia
[18:04] <Riddell> I don't think there were any videos taken
[18:04] <shadeslayer> seiflotfy: i don't have the conf videos, but there is a really cool vid of nepomuk
[18:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: a few were taken IIRC
[18:04] <shadeslayer> there was a video camera going about
[18:05] <seiflotfy> so none of the nepomuk stuff
[18:05] <seiflotfy> the nice thing is the Zeitgeist grew in the Ubuntu community
[18:05] <shadeslayer> seiflotfy: http://vhanda.in/blog/2011/03/nepomuk-audio-search/
[18:05] <seiflotfy> but its not a canonical product :)
[18:06] <seiflotfy> although canonical contributed lots of code
[18:06] <seiflotfy> maybe 5% of it
[18:06] <ScottK> It would be interesting if you asked them for copyright assignment.
[18:06] <ScottK> Based on their rationale for requiring it, they should be OK with that.
[18:09] <seiflotfy> hahaha
[18:09] <seiflotfy> well they were nice enough to agree to change the license
[18:09] <seiflotfy> since we started lgpl 3
[18:09] <seiflotfy> and we wanted to change to lgpl 2.1+ for KDE integration
[18:10] <seiflotfy> but by then canonical had contirbuted code and was in the copyrights
[18:10] <manish> seiflotfy: to be precise libzeitgeist is a canonical product
[18:10] <seiflotfy> so we asked them and they agreed
[18:10] <seiflotfy> manish, even the engine has canonical in it
[18:10] <manish> means
[18:10] <seiflotfy> in the mimetype mapping part
[18:10] <manish> their copyright
[18:10] <seiflotfy> no
[18:10] <seiflotfy> they are listed as copyright holders
[18:10] <manish> yeah
[18:10] <seiflotfy> we copied part of their code into ours
[18:11] <Riddell> seiflotfy: why does KDE integration need LGPL 2.1?
[18:11] <seiflotfy> well it makes stuff easier
[18:11] <manish> I think it was needed for GNOME integration too
[18:11] <seiflotfy> not every app in KDE is ready to use an lgpl3 stuff
[18:11] <seiflotfy> manish, overall it was kinda needed
[18:12] <seiflotfy> i mean i had the discussion with trueg
[18:12] <seiflotfy> and he convinced me that lgpl3 makes no sense
[18:18] <Riddell> bambee: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libqzeitgeist  mostly all good
[18:18] <bambee> :)
[18:22] <bambee> Arrff... crap... wrong license (the same error twice)
[18:22] <manish> Riddell: bambee no watch file?
[18:23]  * bambee looks at packaging documentation
[18:24] <manish> releases.zeitgeist-project.com/qzeitgeist/QtZeitgeist-x.y.z.tar.bz2
[18:26] <Riddell> mm, watch would be good
[18:26] <Riddell> although I'm not convinced they work
[18:28] <bambee> uscan downloads the new tarball automatically... then ?
[18:28] <manish> yes
[18:28] <manish> and applied it too
[18:28] <manish> *applies
[18:29] <bambee> does uscan send an email notification or something like that ?
[18:29] <manish> no clue
[18:29] <manish> but i used uscan with git
[18:29] <Riddell> bambee: in theory it gets listed at http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs/no_updated.html
[18:29] <manish> run usan
[18:29] <manish> uscan
[18:29] <manish> downloads and applies
[18:30] <manish> and commits
[18:30] <manish> and creates a git tag
[18:31] <bambee> well, why not...
[18:32] <manish> bambee: I dont know how you people manage packaging
[18:33] <bambee> manish: I am a beginner :)
[18:33] <manish> :)
[18:34] <manish> bambee: beginner as developer or packaging?
[18:34] <bambee> as packager
[18:35] <manish> good
[18:40] <bambee> done
[18:41] <ScottK> What package do I file bugs against for "System Notification Helper"?
[18:42] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm not sure what you mean by that, got a screenshot?
[18:43] <ScottK> Sure.
[18:43] <ScottK> The one I mean is the one that tries to install Flash for you on a new install.
[18:43] <Riddell> that's kubuntu-notification-helper
[18:43] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:45] <ScottK> Bug #745133
[18:50] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I note that rekonq still thinks it knows better than me about if I really mean to close a window when I use ctrl-w.
[18:51] <shadeslayer> ScottK: there was a discussion about this, and the lead dev chose to keep it that way
[18:51] <shadeslayer> he says that this debate starts up every release cycle
[18:52] <shadeslayer> and he won't change it for every release
[18:52] <ScottK> His excuse for other broken things was "FF/Chromium do it this way".  In this case I guess it doesn't matter.
[18:52] <bambee> I have also finished phonon 4.5.0 (on revu), but take your time it can wait until tomorrow :)
[18:52] <ScottK> Was it ever different than this?
[18:54] <shadeslayer> apparently, yes
[18:54] <ScottK> ctrl-w means close window.
[18:54] <ScottK> How can not closing a window possibly be right?
[18:54] <shadeslayer> ctrl+w means closing a tab
[18:55] <manish> Ctrl+Q for quitting
[18:55] <shadeslayer> ctrl+q means closing a window :)
[18:55] <ScottK> OK.  Tab/Window, same result.
[18:55] <shadeslayer> altho ... if it's the one and only tab
[18:55] <ScottK> And you don't close it, that's not closing a tab.
[18:56] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i agree, but i really can't do anything about it because the lead dev would simply revert it
[18:56] <ScottK> It's perverse.  It's like he takes the one really broken feature of Konqueror and picks that to be the one where he wants to copy Konqueror.
[18:56] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[18:56] <ScottK> Everything else, broken or not, he wants to be like FF/Chromium.
[18:58] <afiestas> Riddell: do you still need the bug report?
[19:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: around?
[19:51] <txwikinger> ScottK: I had far less crashes with Libreoffice
[19:51] <ScottK> txwikinger: Glad to hear it.  I just pulled the trigger on upgrading Maverick -> Natty on my main laptop for this.
[19:52] <txwikinger> cool
[19:52] <txwikinger> I don't use natty desktop yet.. only server
[19:52] <maco> ScottK, shadeslayer: in firefox, there's an option for whether closing the last tab should close the window
[19:53] <ScottK> maco: yes. I know.  chromium too.
[19:53] <ScottK> Oh.
[19:53] <ScottK> An option.
[19:53] <ScottK> I should read the whole thing.
[19:53] <ScottK> Riddell: Do you want to go ahead with avogadro (then edu/plasma-addons) now or after beta 1?
[20:25] <Riddell> ScottK: has kunal got back with results from avogadro?
[20:25] <Riddell> afiestas: yes the bug number/URL would be good
[20:25] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  It's in queue.
[20:26] <Riddell> well
[20:26] <Riddell> well avogadro isn't on any CDs so that should be fine
[20:26] <ScottK> Yes, but kdedu/addons are.
[20:27] <ScottK> We can't do arm images until late tonight/tomorrow anyway.
[20:30] <Riddell> ScottK: why's that?
[20:31] <ScottK> Waiting for -workspace.
[20:31] <Riddell> mm
[20:31] <Riddell> I don't know for sure that kdeedu and addons will even compile with this avogadro
[20:31] <Riddell> kdeedu will still need gl removed
[20:32] <Riddell> so it still needs a test compile
[20:32] <ScottK> I'm pretty sure it's just dropping build-deps, but yes, it does.
[20:33] <Riddell> it's not just dropping build-deps, it's a patch, removing the step package, and adding a build-dep
[20:34] <Riddell> usr/lib/libcompoundviewer.so.4 is the bit that avogadro makes
[20:34] <ScottK> OK.
[20:35] <Riddell> so I can take my kdeedu which I compiled in the PPA and add that back and it should be all good
[20:35] <bambee> ppa.launchpad.net is down ? (ftp server) I cannot upload via dput o_O (Connection failed, aborting. Check your network [Errno 111] Connection refused)
[20:35] <Riddell> bambee: cehck in #launchpad, their /topic should say
[20:35] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I'll accept avogadro and see how it goes from there.
[20:36] <Riddell> ScottK: what's the version number?  I can upload kdeedu with a build-dep on it
[20:36] <ScottK> Riddell: avogadro 1.0.1-3.2ubuntu1
[20:38] <bambee> Riddell: the topic is normal, it says nothing about that
[20:38]  * bambee checks again
[20:39] <Riddell> bambee: start moaning on the channel then :)
[20:54] <afiestas> Riddell: http://bugs.muiline.com/view.php?id=584
[20:54] <afiestas> also, the last release is from: 2009/10/21 19:09
[20:55] <afiestas> and if you take a look at the resolved list: http://bugs.muiline.com/my_view_page.php
[20:55] <afiestas> there are quite a lot patches that fix segfaults
[20:55] <afiestas> http://bugs.muiline.com/view_all_bug_page.php?filter=3319
[20:56] <afiestas> 4 segfaults fixes + security fix
[20:56] <afiestas> http://bugs.muiline.com/view.php?id=492
[21:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[21:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nvm .. i've already sent the stuff ... thanks anyways
[21:00] <shadeslayer> don't we have a meeting
[21:00] <shadeslayer> ?
[21:01] <shadeslayer> oh postponed
[21:05] <Riddell> thanks afiestas
[21:06] <bambee> afiestas: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/obex-data-server :)
[21:17] <ScottK> Riddell: No rush on kdeedu, avogadro failed on armel.
[21:27] <Riddell> ScottK: tsk
[21:27] <ScottK> I find out after it failed it hadn't actually been tested on armel.
[21:38] <Riddell> umm, wasn't that the whole point?
[21:41] <ScottK> I kind of thought so, but I guess I don't think like a Linaro dev.
[21:41] <ScottK> Riddell: I think though, that with our 4 Efika boxen set up for ice creaming we can probably do native test builds a lot faster than some of them.
[21:42] <apachelogger> which reminds me that I need to setup some box :/
[21:44] <Riddell> ScottK: I never did work out how to get icecream working from within a hardy chroot
[21:44] <ScottK> It was supposed to be automagic.
[21:45] <ScottK> If it's not, we need to have apachelogger sprinkle some pixie dust on it.
[21:45] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes, the .200 box.
[21:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i need a javaburger
[21:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no javaburger for you
[21:45] <shadeslayer> whai? :(
[21:45] <ScottK> err
[21:45] <apachelogger> unless you sned me a mail to setup .200
[21:46] <ScottK> .200/.110
[21:46] <shadeslayer> a what?
[21:46] <apachelogger> s/.200/.110
[21:46] <shadeslayer> i have no idea what you are talking about
[21:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you don't need to, just send me a mail :P
[21:48] <shadeslayer> done
[21:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: now can i have a JavaBurger?
[21:48] <apachelogger> thx
[21:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, kubotu is not here
[21:48]  * apachelogger boostraps javaburgers using ruby
[21:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nice mailz
[21:53] <shadeslayer> ;)
[21:53] <shadeslayer> the one i sent your right?
[21:54] <apachelogger> all of them
[21:55] <apachelogger> emit yawn(PrincessYawn);
[22:02] <ScottK> OK, let's see if this baby boots into Natty ...
[22:10] <ScottK> Seems to be fine.
[22:24] <ScottK> So I see we've fiddled all the fonts again.
[23:35] <Riddell> ScottK: which baby booted into natty?
[23:36] <ScottK> Riddell: My main laptop.
[23:38] <Riddell> what do you think is different about the fonts?
[23:38] <ScottK> They look different.  It's hard to say.
[23:39] <ScottK> The clock in the panel looks fatter.
[23:39] <ScottK> The regular test in quassel seems smaller.
[23:39] <ScottK> (and no thank you very much for disabling my IRC notification - I had to redo that bit)
[23:40] <ScottK> Riddell: The KDM theme was updated on upgrade, but not the wallpaper.
[23:40] <ScottK> Bug?  Feature?
[23:41] <Riddell> ScottK: "but not the wallpaper" being KDM wallpaper or plasma desktop wallpaper?
[23:42] <ScottK> Riddell: plasma desktop
[23:42] <Riddell> ScottK: please set bug 712612 to confirmed then
[23:43] <Riddell> I need to work out the kconf_update script for that
[23:43] <Riddell> s/I/someone/ :)
[23:44] <ScottK> DOne.


[15:05]  * genii-around sips
[15:43] <genii-around> Bah.  I sent them 5-6 emails over 3-4 weeks with the Toronto party announcement. Still not listed.  listed.
[15:53] <bregma> Hydro One assures me my power should be restored by tomorrow
[15:56] <genii-around> bregma: What happened?
[15:56] <bregma> we had Weather yesterday
[15:56] <bregma> winds of about 110 km/h
[15:56] <bregma> torrential rains
[15:57] <bregma> zombie invasions
[15:57] <bregma> OK, not zombie invasions
[15:57] <genii-around> Ah, OK. It came through here too.
[15:57] <bregma> I lost some of my favorite trees
[15:58] <bregma> I've had to come into town to use the library's internet (and power)
[15:58] <genii-around> That sucks :(
[15:58] <bregma> I gotta get me completely off-grid
[15:59] <bregma> I couldn't event make coffee this morning
[15:59] <genii-around> Bleh
[15:59] <bregma> and my wife missed the royal wedding
[16:00] <bregma> I need to make sure the propane tanks in my survival kit are full
[16:00]  * genii-around thinks about royal zombie weather kings
[17:56] <willwh> hi guys :)
[17:57] <willwh> so who is running 11.04?
[17:57] <willwh> I fired it up in a Vbox here at work
[17:57] <willwh> first time, Unity failed to load on login
[17:57] <willwh> (so I went and enabled 3d acceleration & 2d, and 128mb memory for video)
[17:57] <willwh> however, when I log in with the "ubuntu" session - I'm still seeing the old style
[17:57] <willwh> anyone offer any advice?
[17:58] <willwh> I guess I may need vbox guest additions too
[17:58] <willwh> brb ;>
[18:21] <dscassel> I am! :D
[18:22] <dscassel> I'd google it.  I think there's some hoops you have to jump through to get Unity running in vbox.
[18:22]  * dscassel can't remember where he saw that.
[20:32] <willwh> dscassel: yeah - was just Vbox guest additions
[20:32] <willwh> up and running now
[20:32] <willwh> montor 1 = zenoss event console in chrome (windows)
[20:33] <willwh> monitor 2 = mail / IM's etc (windows)
[20:33] <willwh> montior 3 = 11.04 vbox :D
[21:19] <dscassel> genii-around: Be sure to take photos tomorrow! (and send them to me. :D)
[21:20] <genii-around> dscassel: Will do. No buttons came in mail yet... did you send them to my house or my work?
[21:25] <genii-around> I wonder how the Quebec party went
[21:30] <dscassel> I sent them to your house.
[21:30] <dscassel> I didn't get them in the mail until Thursday night, tho (fail, I know), which means Canada Post probably didn't pick them up until Tuesday. :(
[21:31] <dscassel> But them might be waiting for you tonight.
[21:31] <genii-around> OK < crosses fingers >
[21:31] <genii-around> My roommate might be in, I'll call him
[21:35] <genii-around> Meh. Didn't come in. Oh well, I'll have some for next time at least.
[21:43] <dscassel> Yeah.
[21:44] <dscassel> I was making a new batch last night.
[21:44] <dscassel> I'll have them at Toronto Mini-Maker Faire (next week!) if you can get out to that..
[21:45]  * dscassel should put that in the LoCo Directory...
[21:46] <genii-around> dscassel: hypatia I'm pretty sure is attending that. I'm not sure I can go, work is pretty damn busy.
[21:47] <genii-around> I could always pick them up at HackLab if she is agreeable to picking them up at Maker's Faire
[21:51] <Pringle> hello..
[21:51] <Pringle> is anyone online here?
[21:51] <dscassel> Pringle: Yup. What's up?
[21:52] <dscassel> genii-around: Sure. I'll see if I can foist some on her.
[21:52] <Pringle> hold on a second
[21:52] <genii-around> :)
[21:52] <Pringle> my cat called me
[21:53] <dscassel> Pringle: Priorities. I understand. :)
[21:58] <dscassel> A little slow, but I get there in the end: http://www.ubuntu-ca.org/?q=node/343
[22:04] <genii-around> Nice photo there
[22:08] <dscassel> Thanks. :D
[22:33] <genii-around> dscassel: I'm going to set up one an auxiliary cam to our surveillance system and broadcast tomorrow ... no audio though
[22:54] <genii-around> OK, for CDs now, I have: 13 32bit regular, 3 32bit alternate, 6 64bit regular, 3 64bit alternate. I'm not sure if that's enough or too many, or wrong mix or what.
[22:56] <genii-around> I might print off some more with logos but blanks in case
[23:21] <dscassel> genii-around: Awesome.
[23:21] <dscassel> Yeah, I'm going to have a bunch of blanks.


[16:04] <blackboxsw> falcojr: I think if we are dropping `cc_emit_upstart` we also need a task before next release to handle it's omission from /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg and ensure upgrade path from prior installs don't break
[16:05] <falcojr> agreed


[06:23] <doko> who should be asked for ubuntu-touch-meta changes?
[15:06] <stgraber> that's a LXC bugfix release + security fix for wily so we should really get it in :)
[15:06] <stgraber> I'll send the exact same thing as an SRU to vivid too under the LXC MRE
[15:27] <stgraber> and that's the vivid SRU ^ (only delta with wily is that seccomp is still arch-restricted in there)
[16:44] <flocculant> cyphermox: sorry ... you know the ubi-timezone bug you fixed - still being seen via the mini.iso - thought you should know
[16:44] <cyphermox> flocculant: thanks
[16:45] <flocculant> one of my lot saw it today
[16:45] <cyphermox> this makes sense, tzsetup might be included, so I'd need to rebuild d-i for it
[16:45] <flocculant> I thought something of that sort - though not anywhere as specific :)
[16:45] <cyphermox> as long as it's fixed for ubiquity for the same person/system, then it would be good news
[16:46] <flocculant> cyphermox: I'll double check on that for you
[16:50] <cyphermox> thanks
[16:51] <cyphermox> flocculant: nope, not included in d-i images
[16:51] <flocculant> okey doke
[16:52] <cyphermox> it's either not fixed, or maybe an old mirror? depends on the results of others who have been seeing the issue.
[16:53] <flocculant> yep
[16:57] <flocculant> cyphermox: might have been led up the garden path a bit here - will confirm as soon as I can - sorry
[16:57] <cyphermox> no worries, let me know
[16:58] <flocculant> yep
[17:12] <flocculant> cyphermox: mmm - so I'm seeing something odd here - recognises me as Europe/London, if I say no - then I get a very limited choice of where I can be, either some US places or Samoa
[17:12] <cyphermox> in mini.iso?
[17:13] <flocculant> yea - just grabbed the wily one
[17:13] <cyphermox> mkay
[17:13] <cyphermox> I'll check it later
[17:13] <flocculant> ok
[17:14] <cyphermox> if you can file a bug about it, then it's less likely I forget :)
[17:15] <flocculant> yea - was just on it - what package - tz-setup ?
[17:16] <flocculant> or d-i ?
[17:22] <cyphermox> make it against tzsetup
[17:31] <flocculant> cyphermox: bug 1503379
[17:33] <cyphermox> flocculant: thanks
[17:34] <flocculant> np


[06:04] <pitti> so, time for milestone freeze
[08:10] <stgraber> wow, Edubuntu built today! /me starts downloading
[08:12] <pitti> stgraber: it already built on Saturday ;)
[08:14] <stgraber> ah right, I started downloading it at the hotel before leaving. Wanted to continue at the airport but there wasn't free wifi and then Sunday's build failed :)
[08:28] <jibel> can I start publishing images to the tracker ?
[08:30] <pitti> jibel: not the ubuntus yet, please; I need to rebuild them for the new lightdm
[08:30] <pitti> bug 802271 is a sucker for testing
[08:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 802271 in lightdm (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 1 other project) "Characters sent to tty1 (affects: 9) (dups: 2) (heat: 60)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/802271
[08:30] <pitti> jibel: supposedly fixed with the latest lightdm that just made it into oneiric
[08:31] <jibel> pitti, saw that but I never been able to reproduce, standing by.
[08:31] <pitti> I'm currently running an alternate amd64 smoketest
[08:31] <pitti> jibel: oh? it's 100% reproducible in kvm for me
[08:31] <pitti> jibel: anyway, I think there's no rush
[08:31] <pitti> jibel: if you could start with posting kubuntu?
[08:32] <pitti> mythbuntu and u-studio also don't seem to use lightdm
[08:32] <stgraber> please don't post edubuntu as we're also using lightdm. I'm doing a bit of smoke testing on the current build anyway and might have some other things to fix (will know in ~45min)
[08:33] <pitti> right, ubuntu/edubuntu/xubuntu use lightdm
[08:33] <pitti> once my alternate test install is finished, I'll check if I still get the lightdm bug, and upgrade to the new version
[08:35] <pitti> jibel: bug 791883 might spoil Kubuntu, I'm unsure about how widespread it is
[08:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 791883 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 3 other projects) "ubi-console-setup.py:set_keyboard() gets error 141 (crashes) in Kubuntu (affects: 1) (heat: 125)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791883
[09:25] <pitti> jibel: I don't get the lightdm race in a KVM install either
[09:25] <pitti> but when booting the desktop CD
[09:25] <pitti> so I'll just rebuild teh ubuntu desktops, check if it's fixed there now
[09:26] <pitti> and if so, rebuild xubuntu/edubuntu
[09:26] <stgraber> I'll need to upload a new edubuntu-live for Edubuntu, so please wait for the rebuild.
[09:26] <pitti> today's ubuntu alternate installs fine
[09:26] <pitti> stgraber: ok, please prod me
[09:26] <ogra_> hmpf
[09:26] <ogra_> arm fails builds on compiz/unity
[09:26] <pitti> ogra_: ?
[09:27] <ogra_> usual archive skew i guess
[09:28] <stgraber> also, for some reason lightdm didn't work properly when booting Edubuntu... My VM got to vt1 which was running a getty as it's supposed to. Doing a ps showed an X server running on some other vt. Switching to it crashed X (apparently). To get a working Live session, I then had to do a "sudo start lightdm".
[09:28] <stgraber> not sure if that's what you'd get with bug 802271 affecting a livecd
[09:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 802271 in lightdm (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 1 other project) "Characters sent to tty1 (affects: 9) (dups: 2) (heat: 60)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/802271
[09:29] <stgraber> or if that was something completely different
[09:30] <pitti> stgraber: that's exactly this issue, yes
[09:30] <pitti> current lightdm is supposed to fix it
[09:30] <pitti> but needs confirmation
[09:30] <pitti> stgraber: I get the same when booting ubuntu desktop live in kvm
[09:31] <ogra_> argh
[09:31] <ogra_> unity ftbfs
[09:31] <stgraber> ok cool, so hopefully with that fix + the new edubuntu-live we should have something that's pretty good (rest looks good for now).
[09:32] <ogra_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:32] <ogra_>  libnux-1.0-dev : Depends: libnux-1.0-0 (= 1.0.2-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[09:32] <ogra_> E: Broken packages
[09:32] <ogra_> hmm, might be a timing issue
[09:32]  * ogra_ gives back
[09:33] <stgraber> oh, interesting: apport-unpack, "NameError: name 'apport' is not defined" :)
[09:34] <stgraber> pitti: I guess you should do s/apport.fatal/fatal/g in apport-unpack. Want a patch for that?
[09:35]  * ogra_ gives back ppc too, seems to have the same issue
[09:36] <stgraber> oh, why is gdm still on edubuntu's dvd? that can't be good :)
[09:37] <ogra_> fix your seeds :)
[09:37] <stgraber> stgraber@castiana:~/data/vm/iso$ grep -r gdm ~/data/code/seeds/edubuntu.oneiric/
[09:37] <stgraber> stgraber@castiana:~/data/vm/iso$
[09:38] <ogra_> whhee
[09:38] <stgraber> argh, sabayon hard-depends on it...
[09:39] <pitti> stgraber: fixed in trunk, thanks!
[09:40] <ogra_> k, looks like unity will build on both platforms ..
[09:42]  * stgraber starts poking at sabayon...
[09:45] <stgraber> pitti: edubuntu should be good for a rebuild when both edubuntu-live and sabayon are done building and published
[09:47] <pitti> stgraber: thanks; added tabs for their build pages
[10:03] <pitti> stgraber: hm, sabayon building too long
[10:03] <pitti> stgraber: so I'll rebuild the edubuntu CDs at 1200 UTC
[10:03] <stgraber> ok, sounds good
[10:04] <stgraber> I'm off for lunch anyway (till ~ 11:00 UTC)
[10:06] <pitti> stgraber: still in Europe?
[10:07] <stgraber> yep, in Switzerland for two weeks
[10:11] <pitti> jibel: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20110705.1/ arrived; I'm testing this for the lightdm VT issue
[10:13] <jibel> pitti, ok, syncing
[10:23] <pitti> jibel: yay, this fixes it for me
[10:25] <jibel> \o/
[10:30] <pitti> jibel: I added the Ubuntu desktops and the upgrade/netboot bits to the iso tracker now
[10:30] <pitti> I'll rebuild alternate and xubuntus now
[10:30] <jibel> pitti, thanks
[10:31] <pitti> jibel: can you do a smoketest of the desktops for installation?
[10:31] <jibel> pitti, sure
[10:33] <pitti> and then in 1.5 hours edubuntu
[10:34] <jibel> smoketest is running. time to prepare some lunch. back in a bit
[10:36] <pitti> jibel, Daviey: do you know what the name of http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-preinstalled/20110705/ should be?
[10:36] <pitti> I don't find an entry like "Ubuntu Server Preinstalled (armel)" in the iso tracker
[10:37] <pitti> or is that "Ubuntu Headless armel+omap3"?
[10:37] <pitti> ah no, this has its own dir (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-headless/daily-preinstalled/) and is fairly out of date
[10:38] <ogra_> pitti, i guess tobin is a bit behind, healdess was renamed to server last week
[10:38] <ogra_> tracker was likely not updated yet
[10:38] <ogra_> pitti, ignore headless
[10:38] <pitti> so should we rename the headless thing to server in the iso tracker?
[10:39] <ogra_> yes
[10:39] <ogra_> i would have loved to keep headless until we have a chicken subarch ... but the others disagreed :P
[10:39] <ogra_> so now its all server :)
[10:41] <pitti> hm, I can't actually remove/rename products
[10:41] <ogra_> then put it under headless and GrueMaster can solve it if he is up, i think he can change names
[10:41] <pitti> jibel, stgraber: ^ do you know how to do this? apparently I can add a new product "Ubuntu Server armel+omap3" (same for omap4), but I'd like to remove the headless cruft, too
[10:41] <ogra_> if he doesnt, he at least knows who can
[10:41] <pitti> ok, fair enough
[10:42] <jibel> pitti, I'll do, this can only be done with an update in the database
[10:42] <pitti> jibel: thanks
[10:42] <ogra_> (its not like A2 is tomorrow, no hurry :) )
[10:42] <pitti> ogra_: I remove http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-headless/ then
[10:42] <pitti> as it's confusing now
[10:42] <ogra_> yep
[10:43] <pitti> gone
[10:43] <jibel> ogra_, is it a new product or a rename of headless ? from bug 805811 it is not clear
[10:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 805811 in ubuntu-qa-website "Need to update the arm image list for Alpha 2 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/805811
[10:43]  * pitti lunch &
[10:44] <ogra_> let me check
[10:45] <ogra_> jibel, what was headless before is now server ...
[10:45] <ogra_> what was netbook before is now desktop
[10:45] <ogra_> in the first case nothing but the name changed, in the second case we actually changed seeds
[10:46] <ogra_> hedless and netbook are definitely dead
[10:46] <jibel> ogra_, ok I'll update the names of the products on the tracker. thanks.
[10:47] <pitti> I'll remove ubuntu-netbook/ from cdimage, too
[10:47] <ogra_> only the dailies please :)
[10:48]  * ogra_ isnt sure there are any releases under the direcrtory tree
[10:48] <pitti> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-preinstalled/
[10:48] <pitti> ogra_: apparently not
[10:48] <ogra_> then go for it
[10:48] <pitti> only three dailies from June
[10:49] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/ has them
[11:13] <jibel> pitti, desktop amd64 is ok, I get bug 791139 with i386 running on VBox on an amd64 host.
[11:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 791139 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "When booting from an ISO, a shell is displayed for 2 min before the graphics environment starts (affects: 1) (heat: 129)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791139
[12:03] <pitti> jibel: ah, I don't get that on my amd64 system with kvm
[12:10] <pitti> ogra_: hm, unity built on armel, but is still uninstallable on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/oneiric_probs.html; do you know why?
[12:10] <pitti> some compiz issue?
[12:11] <stgraber> pitti: ok, apparently both sabayon and edubuntu-live are built and published. Should be good for an edubuntu rebuild.
[12:11] <pitti> yep, triggering
[12:11] <stgraber> thanks!
[12:11] <pitti> xubuntu dailies are almost done
[12:12] <pitti> ubuntu/xubuntu alternates posted
[12:24] <pitti> xubuntu desktop posted
[12:26] <pitti> cjwatson: do you have an idea how widespread the kubiquity crash in bug 791883 is?
[12:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 791883 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 3 other projects) "ubi-console-setup.py:set_keyboard() gets error 141 (crashes) in Kubuntu (affects: 1) (heat: 125)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791883
[12:26] <pitti> does ubiquity just need a rebuild against xkb-data, like console-setup? or more involved changes?
[12:26] <pitti> ubuntu daily-preinstalled failed to build
[12:34] <ogra_> hmm, i did get empty failure mail
[12:35] <ogra_> pitti, hmm, linux-omap4 ...
[12:36] <ogra_> do we miss a meta upload ?
[12:36] <pitti> perhaps?
[12:36] <pitti> kubuntu preinstalled failed as well (at least on sycamore; annonaceae still busy)
[12:37] <ogra_> same issue
[12:37] <ogra_> omap 3 should build
[12:39] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/oneiric/ubuntu-omap/ doesn't seem to have the current logs yet
[12:39] <pitti> ogra_: where did you see the failure?
[12:40] <ogra_> tim is on it, there was a kernel upload on the 21st
[12:40] <pitti> ok, great
[12:40] <ogra_> on sycamore directly
[12:40] <ogra_> w3m from antimony
[12:40] <pitti> ogra_: did annonaceae.buildd for ubuntu preinstalled have a different problem then?
[12:40] <pitti> that's omap3, right?
[12:41] <ogra_> did that fail too ?
[12:41]  * ogra_ checks mail
[12:41] <pitti> ah, found the log
[12:41] <ogra_> oh, right
[12:41] <Ursinha> 321
[12:41] <pitti> still compiz-core breaking unity < 4.2.0
[12:41] <Ursinha>    ;
[12:42] <Ursinha> erm, sorry
[12:42] <ogra_> pitti, likely missed the publisher
[12:43] <pitti> so presumably kubuntu on omap3 should have a real chance
[12:43] <pitti> ogra_: so I'll wait for the meta-omap upload before triggering another build
[12:43] <ogra_> heh, if there are no other package issues, yeah
[12:43] <ogra_> omap4, but yeah
[12:43] <pitti> nux, compiz, unity appear current in madison
[12:44] <pitti> so yes, probably a publisher race condition
[13:27] <ScottK> pitti: Are you driving the bus for Alpha 2?
[13:27] <pitti> ScottK: yes
[13:28] <ScottK> For Kubuntu we're considering giving Alpha 2 a pass.
[13:28] <ScottK> Getting our KDE packaging reworked for KDE 4.7 still isn't quite complete and we have an unresolved ubiquity-kde crasher that means you can't install from the live CD.
[13:29] <ScottK> So the benefit of Kubuntu Alpha 2 ISOs would be, probably, not a lot and testing them will distract people from getting some of this stuff fixed.
[13:29] <ScottK> Thoughts on this?
[13:29] <ScottK> pitti: ^^^
[13:31] <pitti> ScottK: seems entirely reasonable from my POV; that should be the call of the Kubuntu developers really, for whom I consider you one of the best representatives :)
[13:31] <pitti> ScottK: I pinged Colin about the ubiquity crash earlier on, but I suppose he's on holiday
[13:32] <ScottK> I know maco has tried to get it sorted, but AFAIK didn't get a solution yet.
[13:32] <pitti> ScottK: do you want me to disable the kubuntu images in the tracker, or still leave them there for interested parties?
[13:32] <ScottK> I'd say leave them for now.
[13:32] <ScottK> Maybe a miracle will occur in the next 24 hours ...
[13:33] <pitti> not unheard of!
[13:38] <pitti> ogra_: ah, linux-meta-ti-omap4 build in accepted; so we can spin in 1.5 hours
[13:43] <ogra_> great
[13:43]  * ogra_ crosses fingers nux is fine
[14:01] <pitti> stgraber: bah, edubuntu failed for some reason (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/20110705.1/), checking
[14:03] <pitti> hash sum mismatch in apt
[14:03]  * pitti tries again
[14:04] <pitti> ScottK: ironically the omap3 image http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-preinstalled/20110705/ built just fine :)
[14:04] <ScottK> :-)
[14:04] <pitti> ScottK: circumventing the installer does have its advantages apparently
[14:11] <stgraber> pitti: at least the livefs looks good, that's usually a good start
[14:11] <pitti> stgraber: right, I think the hash sum mismatch is an old and common problem
[14:11] <pitti> stgraber: I'm just restarting the iso build, not the live fs build
[14:12] <stgraber> ok, good. That's the "fast" part of our build process :)
[14:14] <pitti> faster, anyway (still taking some 15 minutes)
[14:32] <pitti> stgraber: worked now
[14:33] <stgraber> yeah!
[14:37] <pitti> stgraber: still being mirrored; added to tracker now
[14:39] <stgraber> thanks. I'll start rsyncing as soon as they're done mirroring
[14:39] <pitti> amd64 is there
[14:47] <skaet> FYI: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview appears to have been deleted over the weekend.   Am working with IS to restore it.
[14:47] <pitti> hey skaet
[14:48] <pitti> eww
[14:48] <pitti> skaet: some piece of good news to compensate: LP can actually look for "bugs which do not have this tag"
[14:48] <skaet> hiya pitti,  yeah,  nice thing to start the week of with :P
[14:48] <skaet> nice news is always welcome
[14:48] <pitti> skaet: so I made up an actually useful alpha-2 bug list
[14:48] <skaet> :)
[14:48] <pitti> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=39141&field.tag=-ftbfs
[14:49] <pitti> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/ is still having way too few red bugs; apparently this milestone's big disaster is still waiting to be discovered
[14:50] <skaet> From the backscrolls,  looks like Kubuntu isn't going out.
[14:52] <GrueMaster> Morning.  I notice that the iso.qa.ubuntu.com only lists netboot arm omap for armel.  While I am fine only testing that, I don't think it is all we have.  :P
[14:54] <ogra_> GrueMaster, headless were dropped, and i thought jibel added server
[14:55] <GrueMaster> No server, no dektop.  Only netboot for omap (not omap4).
[14:55] <pitti> GrueMaster: omap3 kubuntu built
[14:56] <pitti> GrueMaster: still waiting for the linux-meta-ti-omap package to publish until any omap4 image will actually build
[14:56] <ogra_> GrueMaster, desktop are both broken atm
[14:56] <pitti> and this morning's omap3 desktop failed due to unity (shoudl also be fixed now)
[14:56] <GrueMaster> ok
[14:56] <ogra_> server omap3 should exist though
[14:56] <pitti> GrueMaster: will do a spin in an hour, when the meta package is on the mirrors
[14:56] <GrueMaster> Why am I not surprised.
[14:56] <pitti> server on iso tracker is blocked on jibel or someone with DB access to rename the product
[14:57] <GrueMaster> btw, I am experiencing a 1.5s lag on irc.  Not sure why yet.
[14:57]  * Daviey ponders.
[14:57] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview has been restored.
[14:58] <pitti> yay
[14:59] <pitti> skaet: I'll see to adding some desktop news there
[14:59] <pitti> unity 2d, umask 002, thunderbird, deja-dup, etc.
[14:59] <skaet> thanks pitti!  :)
[14:59] <pitti> skaet: but maybe not before tomorrow morning; have desktop team meeting coming up soon, and still fiddling with images and archive consistency
[14:59] <pitti> sounds ok?
[14:59] <skaet> it still needs some of the old bugs pruned out of it (and new ones added of course)
[15:00] <skaet> pitti,  tomorrow morning your time is fine.  Thanks!
[15:00]  * skaet goes and cleans out the old bugs now then.
[15:01] <skaet> Daviey,  ogra_ - I'll go make the structural changes now to reflect we're not doing headless, but rather ubuntu server for arm.   Can you put the overview info in to your sections by 1300 UTC?
[15:02] <Daviey> skaet: 1300 UTC today?
[15:03] <ogra_> or yesterday ?
[15:03] <ogra_> :P
[15:03] <ogra_> (obviously not today)
[15:03] <Daviey> ogra_: Do you think this is one for NCommander to attack?
[15:03] <ogra_> he is on vacation
[15:03] <Daviey> slack.
[15:04] <Daviey> ogra_: Should i have a punt, or are you over it?
[15:04] <skaet> Daviey, ogra_ 1300 UTC tomorrow.
[15:04] <ogra_> well, i dont have much to say apart from headles being server now and netboot existing
[15:04] <Daviey> Ah! perfect
[15:05] <skaet> sorry,  should have been more explicit.
[15:05] <Daviey> ogra_: has netboot instructions been documented?
[15:05] <pitti> bug 805811, FTR
[15:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 805811 in ubuntu-qa-website "Need to update the arm image list for Alpha 2 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/805811
[15:05] <ogra_> Daviey, i dont think so ...
[15:05] <ogra_> but i'm not sure
[15:05] <ogra_> probably GrueMaster knows more ?
[15:05] <ogra_> NCommander didnt tell me about docs yet
[15:06] <Daviey> ogra_: Can you or GrueMaster check into that, and i'll try to tackle the tech overview and link to those docs.
[15:06] <GrueMaster> Daviey: Not yet for arm.  I was hoping they were for x86/amd64.
[15:06] <GrueMaster> It is on my todo for A2, so it will get done today or tomorrow.
[15:07] <Daviey> GrueMaster: Ah, the experience is idential to /normal/ platforms?
[15:07] <GrueMaster> Yes.  Should be identical.
[15:08] <Daviey> splendid
[15:08] <GrueMaster> ignore the cdrom image.
[15:09] <stgraber> doh, Edubuntu still has gdm on the cd... /me investigates
[15:09] <GrueMaster> For now, use either the boot.img-fb or boot.img-serial and flash it to SD, then boot.  More work needs to be done for PXE boot.
[15:10]  * GrueMaster starts hunting for the elusive morning coffee.
[15:10] <stgraber> hmm, I don't get it. The only thing "aptitude why" gives me is a suggest from some package. Must be something else...
[15:10] <Daviey> GrueMaster: yeah, it was the PXE experience i was hoping was documented... i thought that was what would differ.
[15:11] <stgraber> oh fun, and apparently it's only on the 64bit CD. i386 is fine...
[15:12] <stgraber> s/CD/DVD/g
[15:13] <GrueMaster> Daviey: Well, pxe only started happening last Thursday at the rally.
[15:15] <Daviey> (/me is most excited about this.)
[15:15] <stgraber> pitti: as amd64 built a bit before i386 and only amd64 ships gdm I'm tempted to think it's just a race condition and a rebuild of Edubuntu livefs will be enough to get rid of gdm. I'm currently running germinate locally to make sure.
[15:20] <jibel> GrueMaster, I added the arm desktop and server products to the tracker. I need testcases, do I keep the same than for previous headless and netbook ?
[15:20] <stgraber> pitti: ok, I'm not great at playing with germinate but I couldn't find any reason for gdm to be installed (nothing in the seeds, no depends/recommends and it doesn't show up when installing edubuntu-desktop on a clean system). Can you start yet another rebuild of edubuntu?
[15:21] <stgraber> I'm testing i386 for now as it seems fine (at least it doesn't ship gdm :))
[15:21] <GrueMaster> jibel: yes, they should be the same for now.
[15:21] <jibel> GrueMaster, k
[15:25] <stgraber> pitti, skaet: I disabled Edubuntu DVD amd64 as the current build has both lightdm and ldm so we're never going to ship that ;)
[15:31] <pitti> stgraber: does it actually work, though? /etc/X11/default-display-manager should say which one actually gets started
[15:31] <stgraber> pitti: nope, I get a shell instead of a working session :)
[15:32] <stgraber> gdm is running on some vt but not on the one I see when the DVD starts
[15:32] <stgraber> so the user may get a working session by switching vt or by killing gdm + starting lightdm
[15:32] <pitti> stgraber: ok, so we'll rebuild?
[15:32] <pitti> I'm in a meeting now
[15:35] <stgraber> pitti: let me just poke at i386 for 5 minutes
[15:38] <stgraber> pitti: yep, I triple-checked that i386 works as expected (as in, installs), so please start a rebuild whenever you've time.
[15:38] <pitti> stgraber: weird; so we missed a publisher cycle somehow?
[15:38] <pitti> I started it well after the one that published the new sabayon
[15:39] <stgraber> pitti: I'm really not sure. I have the right version of sabayon on amd64 too but "aptitude why" can't tell me why gdm is on there
[15:40] <stgraber> pitti: and it's not on i386 and not mentioned anywhere in the seeds...
[15:44] <pitti> stgraber: I can just trigger a rebuild
[15:44] <pitti> stgraber: if it's still failing, nothing is lost except for some buildd entropy
[15:44] <stgraber> pitti: that'd be great. If I still get gdm on amd64 after a rebuild I'll wait for Colin who should be back tomorrow :)
[15:45] <pitti> stgraber: running
[15:45] <stgraber> thanks!
[15:45] <pitti> stgraber: would you mind adding it to the tracker if it lands? I'll probably be AFK when it finishes (~ 1 hour)
[15:46] <stgraber> pitti: sure, will do.
[15:46] <pitti> thanks
[15:47] <stgraber> skaet: btw, don't worry if you see "bug 0" popping up somewhere. I had to give a bug number to be able to mark the image as broken (and didn't have a LP bug number as it was a race in the build process ;)).
[15:47] <ubot4> stgraber: Bug 0 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/0 is private
[15:47] <stgraber> ubot4: nah, it's not private, it just can't exist ;)
[15:47] <ubot4> stgraber: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:48] <highvoltage> oh I just assumed bug 0 was something like "sabdfl isn't ruler of the world yet" :)
[15:48] <ubot4> highvoltage: Bug 0 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/0 is private
[15:48] <jibel> GrueMaster, arm server and netinstall added to the tracker
[15:49] <GrueMaster> Thanks.  We'll have to make adjustments to the netboot section, but that can wait until I have a testplan.  Not A2 critical.  For now, if it works, ship it.  :P
[15:50] <jibel> pitti, When arm desktop images are ready, there are now 2 products called Ubuntu Desktop armel+omap and omap4
[15:51] <GrueMaster> Yes, I am painfully aware of it.
[15:51] <GrueMaster> Ubuntu & Kubuntu.
[15:51] <pitti> jibel: oh, thanks! you updated the db for headless->server and netbook->desktop?
[15:51] <pitti> then I'll reflect the changes in the image release script
[15:53] <jibel> pitti, no I added new products and copied the testcases and links to the images, otherwise that was a mess.
[15:53] <pitti> jibel: can you remove the old products then?
[15:56] <skaet> stgraber,  ack ;)
[15:58] <GrueMaster> jibel: For A3, we should give the entire arm list an overhaul.  The testcases should closely match the testcases for x86/amd64 where possible.  The only differences should be in the install process.
[15:58] <GrueMaster> Can I ping you next week to go over the list?
[15:59] <jibel> pitti, you need to remove them completely from the db ? The release script does screen scraping or does it access the db ?
[16:00] <pitti> jibel: no, but the "add image" list becomes longer and longer, and we shouldn't pile up old cruft there
[16:00] <pitti> jibel: we do screen scraping
[16:00] <stgraber> jibel: btw, never remove a product or testcase from the DB
[16:00] <pitti> is there db access?
[16:00] <stgraber> jibel: just set the right state to whatever value means "removed" (yeah I'm not logged in the DB :))
[16:01] <jibel> stgraber, sure, I just make them 'invisible' to the users
[16:01] <GrueMaster> Removing a product would be bad.  YOu would lose all test history.
[16:01] <stgraber> jibel: yeah :) Just wanted to make sure we don't end up having some DB inconsistency ;)
[16:04] <jibel> pitti, i'll check the code, but I'm not sure I can hide something from that list.
[16:04] <pitti> jibel: ok; if it's causing problems, don't bother
[16:04] <pitti> I just thought it'd be straightforward to rename
[16:04] <jibel> heh straightforward doesn't match with isotracker
[16:06] <stgraber> jibel: heh ;) we just need someone to write a descent admin interface. IIRC I wrote some place holders for where it should be :)
[16:07] <GrueMaster> I like the way it is.  Keep the community guessing.  They'll never know what we're testing.  Muahaha.
[16:08] <skaet> jibel, pitti - in the pruning,  remember we're going to need to release 10.04.3, 10.04.4 images ;)
[16:09] <jibel> GrueMaster, no problem to review the list next week.
[16:11] <GrueMaster> cool
[16:14] <pitti> GrueMaster, jibel: I added server omaps to the tracker
[16:14] <pitti> although they might be affected by the bad kernel meta package as well?
[16:15] <GrueMaster> I have server images for 0705.
[16:18] <pitti> skaet: ok, can you take over from here? time to make/have dinner, and EOD
[16:18] <pitti> actually, it's time to kick off ubuntu armel builds again
[16:18] <pitti> I'll do that still
[16:18] <skaet> heh
[16:19] <skaet> I was just about to ask which are still pending at this point.
[16:19] <pitti> kubuntu preinstalled are built for omap3, but not added to the tracker, as omap4 is missing, and kubuntu asked to skip a2
[16:19] <pitti> skaet: edubuntu dvd building, amd64 needs test that lightdm comes up properly
[16:19] <pitti> and then added to tracker
[16:20] <pitti> skaet: ubuntu daily-preinstalled building now, needs adding to tracker when done
[16:20]  * skaet nods
[16:20] <pitti> that's what I have
[16:20] <pitti> the rest is testing, and uncovering the major breakage that we always used to have
[16:20] <skaet> thanks.
[16:20] <skaet> :)
[16:20] <pitti> so, see you tomorrow!
[16:21] <pitti> I'll be online again around 0430 UTC
[16:21] <skaet> have a good evening.    :)
[16:21] <pitti> thanks
[17:11] <stgraber> yeah! no more gdm on the new edubuntu build :)
[17:21] <skaet> stgraber,   ok to post?
[17:24] <skaet> stgraber,  hmmm...  no still seems to be building.  what were you testing?
[17:25] <skaet> heh,  ok, am seeing it now...
[17:36] <skaet> stgraber,  edubuntu dvds posted.
[17:56] <stgraber> skaet: I was monitoring the build logs at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/oneiric/edubuntu-dvd/20110705.2/
[17:59] <stgraber> skaet: thanks for posting them!
[18:15] <skaet> stgraber,  thanks for the updates to the release notes.  :)
[18:21]  * skaet heads out for lunch,  biab
[18:23] <GrueMaster> Looks bad for omap images (not omap4, just Beagle/BeagleXM).  u-boot script issues and kernel segfault early during boot.  Filing bugs now.
[18:23] <GrueMaster> Not fixable for A2.
[19:12] <skaet> GrueMaster, ack.
[19:16] <skaet> GrueMaster, ogra_ ubuntu daily pre-installed (omap, omap4) added to the tracker.
[19:16] <GrueMaster> Just saw them.  Pulling now.
[20:23] <jdstrand> skaet: hi! so, I just filed bug #806167 and bug #806166. these bugs can wait until after alpha-2 is released, however, if you are respinning the server ISOs anyway, I'd be happy to upload
[20:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 806167 in qemu-kvm (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 1 other project) "CVE-2011-2212 (affects: 1) (heat: 258)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/806167
[20:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 806166 in qemu-kvm (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 1 other project) "CVE-2011-2512 (affects: 1) (heat: 258)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/806166
[20:26] <skaet> jdstrand, thanks for the heads up.  No respins planned at this point, but we're still collecting initial test data...   Will let you know if a spin looks likely.
[20:26] <jdstrand> skaet: okie dokie
[20:26] <skaet> :)
[20:28] <skaet> ScottK, have updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/ReleaseImageContacts to indicate there won't be A2 images for Kubuntu this time around.
[21:16] <GrueMaster> skaet: We have more failures, now on omap4.  related to bug #791552.  Will update iso tracker soon.
[21:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 791552 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 9 other projects) "No USB support on Armel (affects: 1) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791552
[21:16] <GrueMaster> Doesn't look good for armel images this release.
[21:17] <skaet> GrueMaster, urgh
[21:19] <skaet> GrueMaster, will you be updating the status on 791552?  (Fixed released --> ??)
[21:19] <ogra_> seems all our kernels are broken :(
[21:19] <GrueMaster> Yes, as soon as I test Paulo's test kernel.
[21:32] <ScottK> skaet: OK.  If that should somehow change, I'll let you know.


[06:53] <dholbach> good morning
[06:54] <hobgoblin> hi dholbach
[06:54] <dholbach> hey hobgoblin
[06:55] <hobgoblin> how's Thursday looking
[06:57] <dholbach> 13°C, chance of rain, might go up to 19°, so not very summery :)
[06:57] <dholbach> but it could be a lot worse
[06:57] <dholbach> as long as Saturday has great weather I don't care
[06:58] <hobgoblin> lol
[07:07] <dpm> good morning everyone
[07:07] <hobgoblin> hi dpm
[07:07] <dpm> hi hobgoblin :)
[07:07] <hobgoblin> your forum is still not synced ...
[07:07] <bkerensa> morning
[07:07] <dpm> what is it blocking on?
[07:07] <dpm> hi bkerensa
[07:07] <hobgoblin> never mind - it's get there - and we've only been waiting since 2009 for vb4 :p
[07:08] <hobgoblin> dpm: no idea - one see's it the other doesn't
[11:09] <cjohnston> mornin
[11:28] <czajkowski> dpm: who is actually meant to create a translation team ?
[11:29] <dpm> hi czajkowski, the person interested in having the new language in Ubuntu - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/StartingTeam
[11:30] <dpm> once they've created the LP team and submitted the support request, we then approve it and add them to the ubuntu-translators translation group in LP
[11:31] <dpm> but I must admit that in recent times I haven't had much time to look at new requests
[11:31] <czajkowski> there seems to be a lot of confusion with this one question and it's gone back and forth
[11:31] <dpm> which question?
[11:31] <czajkowski> just pm'd you it
[11:31] <dpm> ok, reading
[11:32] <czajkowski> cheers
[11:44] <daker> hey dholbach
[11:45] <daker> do you have a minute ?
[11:54] <daker> dholbach, i have some problems https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/+recipe/slumber
[12:47] <dholbach> daker, yep
[12:47] <dholbach> daker, what's the problem?
[12:56] <daker> dholbach, i don't know something wrong with the ppa
[12:57] <dholbach> daker, "dpkg-genchanges: warning: the current version (0.2.4~bzr26+201206141127~oneiric1) is earlier than the previous one (0.2.4-1)"
[12:57] <dholbach> you need a higher version
[12:57] <dholbach> maybe just bump it in debian/changelog and try again
[12:57] <jussi> http://is.gd/hroPxh :D
[12:57] <daker> ah ok dholbach
[13:18] <czajkowski> jcastro: mr. AU god
[13:18] <czajkowski> jcastro: is there a way to create FAQ under a tag ?
[13:22] <czajkowski> dholbach: that's an amazing tune!!!!
[13:23] <dholbach> yeah, I've been looking into lots of tunes outside my usual hunting grounds recently
[13:23] <dholbach> but the mixes never got good enough really
[13:23] <dholbach> so you will all have to wait :)
[13:23] <czajkowski> dholbach: we need a pintrist for music :)
[13:23]  * dholbach is pondering taking out the turntables for the party on the WE
[13:23] <czajkowski> dholbach: the bird one has been on repeat for the last 20 mins
[13:24] <dholbach> soundcloud is great for following what kind of music other people like
[13:24] <dholbach> http://soundcloud.com/dholbach/favorites
[13:24] <dholbach> I haven't favourited many yet
[13:25] <dholbach> but over time I'm sure I will :)
[13:25] <czajkowski> oh it's like http://pinterest.com/  but for music
[13:25] <dholbach> just better :-P
[13:27] <czajkowski> it's music :)
[15:01] <jono> dpm, this call is running over
[15:02] <jono> shouldnt be long
[15:02] <dpm> jono, ok, no worries, I can keep myself busy very well :)
[15:21] <jono> dpm, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/ed03aebdb1d8785728d40f2db502b10aecfd8d60?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[15:22] <dpm> jono, the party is on already, do you want to join dholbach and I on the hangout we started?
[15:22] <jono> dpm, ahhh cool
[15:22] <jono> what link?
[15:23] <dholbach> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/285cbc04aac365d56d0c9222a729558a6adcd906?authuser=0
[15:23] <dpm> mhall119, you're not officially there, right?
[15:38] <mhall119> dpm, I'll be home in about an hour
[15:39] <mhall119> will you still be around?
[15:39] <mhall119> dpm:
[15:39] <jono> dpm, why was the tutorial schedule not completed yesterday
[15:39] <jono> I asked for it to be documented and it seems to be a quarter complete
[15:40] <jono> oops, that was for mhall119 ^
[15:40] <mhall119> tutorial schedule?
[15:41] <jono> mhall119, yesterday we put together the plan for sessions on Mon and Tues
[15:41] <jono> I asked for them to be put on d.u.c
[15:41] <jono> and they are instead on a wiki with only two or three sessions listed
[15:41] <mhall119> I havent gotten confirmation from start yet
[15:42] <jono> the only session that was not confirmed was Stuart Langridge
[15:42] <jono> and we can put any confirmed sessions as TBC and without a name
[15:43] <jono> mhall119, are you on a computer right now or a device?
[15:43] <jono> if a device I will update the page
[15:46] <mhall119> my phone, I should be home in 30 minutes
[15:48] <czajkowski> cjohnston: your bug is going to be worked on :)
[15:51] <cjohnston> sweet
[15:53] <czajkowski> you're welcome :)
[15:53] <cjohnston> thanks
[15:53] <czajkowski> shout if you need any more help with stuff
[15:53]  * czajkowski goes back to tackling bugs
[15:53] <czajkowski> toodles
[15:53] <cjohnston> will do
[15:53] <cjohnston> :-)
[16:10] <jono> mhall119, its ok, we are taking care of it
[16:17] <mhall119> jono: dpm: I'm back now if you want me to fill in the schedule table
[16:17] <jono> mhall119, dpm is doing it
[16:18] <mhall119> ok
[16:18] <jono> ok, folks, we are launching an App Developer competition soon
[16:18] <jono> go and add your app ideas to http://www.reddit.com/r/ubuntuappshowdown/
[16:19] <jono> prefix each one with 'App Idea'
[16:19] <dpm> \o/
[16:20] <mhall119> jono: are those things you want someone else to do, or things you plan on doing yourself?
[16:20] <jono> mhall119, just ideas that the community can share as inspiration
[16:20] <mhall119> ok
[16:20] <jono> so programmers can pick and choose something if they like
[16:24] <jono> mhall119, this way people can upvote or downvote the ideas
[16:25] <mhall119> why not use brainstorm.u.c for that?
[16:26] <jono> mhall119, we tried, and you have to provide solutions or ideas
[16:26] <jono> and it feels pretty cumbersome
[16:26] <jono> reddit is much more lightweight
[17:00] <snap-l> +1 for not using ideatorrent
[17:27] <mhall119> nigelb: ping
[17:27] <mhall119> or pleia2
[17:28] <mhall119> someone who can edit the classroom calendar
[17:28] <pleia2> mhall119: hey
[17:28] <mhall119> pleia2: hey, can we get these sessions on the calendar: http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown/workshops/?preview=true&preview_id=2513&preview_nonce=527e9cf5de
[17:28] <mhall119> pretty please?
[17:28] <mhall119> http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown/workshops/
[17:28] <mhall119> that'll probably work better
[17:29] <pleia2> the first link didn't work ;) I need instructor names too
[17:29] <pleia2> s/names/IRC nicknames
[17:30] <mhall119> pleia2: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16oBUPo1IWiXJJuv0Jjbfs3ODbYMJSMCnbVlU9sn8Fqs/edit has the names (waiting on some to confirm)
[17:30] <mhall119> oh, nicks..I'd have to look themup
[17:31] <pleia2> mhall119: can you put nicknames in? I don't have a lot of time for this today so hunting down IRC nicks is a bit of a problem
[17:31] <pleia2> thank you :)
[17:31] <pleia2> mhall119: also, if you could send me a quick blurb for ubuntuclassroom.wordpress.com that'd be great :)
[17:32] <mhall119> pleia2: adding nickname now
[17:33] <nhandler> pleia2: Want some help?
[17:33] <pleia2> nhandler: if you could handle it, I'd be grateful :)
[17:33]  * pleia2 at work, busy day
[17:34] <nhandler> pleia2: I can handle the calendar. Blog post will have to wait a little (unless someone else mhall119 or someone creates it for me to post)
[17:34] <pleia2> great
[17:35] <mhall119> pleia2: nicks added
[17:35] <mhall119> pleia2: you just need someone saying what the event it and when?
[17:35] <pleia2> mhall119: yeah, you're advertising the event to folks who follow the blog
[17:36] <mhall119> dpm: ^^ do we have a blurb already we can use for that?
[17:37] <dpm> mhall119, perhaps the one on the showdown-draft page? But we should wait to publish it until the page is live in a few mins
[17:38] <mhall119> ok
[17:38] <nhandler> mhall119: Do you want to be listed as a helper for these sessions?
[17:38] <mhall119> dpm: can we just use the bit at the top of http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown/workshops/?
[17:38] <dpm> mhall119, ah, for the sessions, sure
[17:39] <dholbach> ok, got to run
[17:39] <dholbach> see you tomorrow
[18:04] <nhandler> mhall119: Should you be listed as a helper for all of these? And should they all be moderated?
[18:05] <pleia2> (it should be an "event" so they're moderated by default, but we can unmoderate if you want)
[18:05] <mhall119> nhandler: yes and yes
[18:08] <nhandler> pleia2: Yep, that is what I was doing. And thanks mhall119
[18:14] <nhandler> mhall119, pleia2: I think the calendar should be set (minus the few ?s that mhall119 had in the doc). Feel free to review
[18:14] <pleia2> thanks!
[18:14] <nhandler> No problem
[18:25] <mhall119> thanks nhandler and pleia2
[18:47] <mhall119> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/v22f0/announcing_the_ubuntu_app_showdown_contest/ upvote please
[18:51] <balloons> first to upvote!
[18:51] <balloons> :-)
[18:52] <balloons> that's a cool review team you assembled
[18:52] <bkerensa> jono: have you had any reports of twistd breaking after removing accomplishments?
[18:52] <jono> bkerensa, what do you mean?
[18:53] <bkerensa> jono: I removed accomplishments and now twistd is crashing everytime I login.
[18:53] <jono> bkerensa, log in where?
[18:53] <bkerensa> to Ubuntu ;)
[18:56] <jono> bkerensa, to your desktop?
[18:57] <jono> twisted is not used to login to the desktop
[18:57] <jono> bkerensa, why do you think twisted is at fault?
[19:01] <bkerensa> jono: no its not but it is used by accomplishments? and broke right after removing it
[19:01] <jono> bkerensa, that is pretty circumstantial evidence :-)
[19:01] <jono> bkerensa, are your running 12.10?
[19:02] <bkerensa> jono: on a different laptop but the twistd issue is happening on the 12.04 laptop I ran accomplishments on
[19:02]  * bkerensa is gonna check one thing
[19:02] <jono> bkerensa, not sure
[19:06] <bkerensa> jono: I see the -daemon didnt remove
[19:06] <bkerensa> :D
[19:07] <jono> bkerensa, didnt remove what?
[19:07] <cjohnston> AlanBell: ping
[19:09] <jono> brb
[19:10] <bkerensa> jono: I failed to successfully remove accomplishments-daemon as such it was causing twistd issues
[19:40] <balloons> florida is so odd at times.. it's been thundering, lightening and wind blowing and dark for about an hour. NO moisture has fallen in that time
[19:41] <balloons> it's the best.. thunderstorm, without getting wet!
[19:41] <pleia2> it's raining, it's just too humid to notice :)
[19:42] <jono> bkerensa, did you kill twistd?
[19:42] <bkerensa> jono: no just fixed
[19:42] <balloons> pleia2, +1
[22:34] <AlanBell> cjohnston: o/
[22:42] <cjohnston> AlanBell: how do you do a search in etherpad again?
[22:43] <AlanBell> that is broken :(
[22:44] <cjohnston> How did you do whatever it was that you did
[22:44] <AlanBell> to get all the data?
[22:44] <cjohnston> yes
[23:02] <pleia2> jono: cnd told me to talk to you, he's changing a bunch of old UWN issues to remove stuff
[23:03] <pleia2> I put a lot of work into the news team, if the integrity of the team is just going to be removed like this... I'm not impressed
[23:03] <jono> pleia2, see msg
[23:12] <pleia2> thanks jono :)
[23:12] <jono> pleia2, :-)
[23:56] <mhall119> I hate glade
[23:56] <mhall119> >:(
[23:58] <mhall119> brought my brand new laptop to it's knees trying to add an icon view
[23:58] <mhall119> load or 19.99, swapping like mad, totally unresponsive


[00:54] <Flannel> Anyone know why I'd get a "that page already exists" error when moving a page (even though it doesnt)?
[12:21] <duncan-nz_> hi, anyone watching?
[12:23] <duncan-nz_> ok, I have a problem with the gramps-doc email list. I've tried rejoining and changing email address, but still I can't get any mails from the lift. I've also checked my spam filters. If you know anything about trouble with the list please type my nickname so I can see you reply. Here's hoping.
[15:35] <j1mc> hi all - re: Bug 249932 - i've found a parameter in the xubuntu-html-chunk-cust.xsl file that i think may fix it.  would changing <xsl:param name="draft.mode" select="'yes'"/> to
[15:36] <j1mc> no resolve this?
[15:44] <j1mc> nm - posted the question to the ML.
[15:45] <duncan-nz_> jlmc, do you know of any trouble for people receiving email from the list?


[02:12] <CupidWolf> hi
[06:13] <noir> Can anyone tell me how i can change my application menu logo?
[01:30] <lassegul> troy_s: thanks man.
[02:29] <lapo> hi