[08:22] <diwic> cking, ping
[08:24] <psivaa> apw: curious if there is an ETA for the patch you mentioned in bug 1100386
[08:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1100386 in linux (Ubuntu) "Server installations on VMs fail to reboot after the installations" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1100386
[08:26] <apw> psivaa, hmmm, that rings a bell, but i suspect i have lost track of that
[08:27] <cking> diwic, pong
[08:27] <diwic> cking, hi! I've heard you've done some system debugging in your days ;-)
[08:27] <psivaa> apw: the issue (the apparent hang) can be seen in saucy as well, so when ever you could find some time .. :)
[08:27] <apw> psivaa, i think it was smb who had the setup to confirm the fix, i will circle with him on it
[08:27] <psivaa> apw: ack, thanks
[08:28] <diwic> cking, in short, I'm testing some code but for some reason it causes the i915 module (I think, not sure) to hang for ~50 seconds on boot
[08:28] <diwic> cking, is there a way to figure out *where* it's stuck in those 50 seconds?
[08:29] <diwic> cking, I've done some attempts with "perf top" and "operf" but I can't get them to run properly at boot time
[08:30] <diwic> cking, perf top seems to require an ncurses thing and operf just does not seem to want to start, don't know why
[08:31] <cking> diwic, so at least you have init up and running, hrm.. let me think
[08:32] <diwic> cking, so far, I was able to use tracing, I enabled tracing/events/module/* and the last entry before the 50 second delay is "load_module i915"
[08:34] <apw> diwic, have you tried taking a boot chart, and have you tried enabling initcall_debug (kernel command line option) as this also gives you begin end of initcalls for module loads regardless of when
[08:35] <cking> diwic, or maybe seeing what the kernel is doing with LTTng
[08:35] <apw> diwic, finally have you got a dmesg of a boot which suffered this pause
[08:35] <apw> we may see something in it
[08:35] <diwic> cking, LTTng requires a special kernel, right?
[08:35] <apw> "in flight recorder mode" ?
[08:36] <cking> diwic, you may get by using lttng-modules-dkms
[08:36] <cking> s/get/get by/
[08:36] <diwic> apw, hmm, next attempt will be "drm.debug=0xf initcall_debug=1", that could indeed give something
[08:36] <apw> i think it is is just initcall_debug no =1
[08:36] <cking> diwic, so when did this start going wrong?
[08:37] <apw> yeah what does your change do
[08:37] <diwic> cking, it's development of new code
[08:37] <apw> in the kernel, in ?
[08:37] <diwic> cking, apw in short, Intel/we are trying to build bridges between the i915 and snd-hda-intel driver for better power saving
[08:37] <cking> diwic, maybe finding out what bit of new code breaks it would be useful to see why it's triggering the hang
[08:38] <apw> diwic, are you adding new deps between the two modules, could we have some kind of udev loop here ?
[08:38] <diwic> cking, well, I know that module_request("i915") is causing the hang, now to trying to understand why
[08:39] <apw> diwic, you might want to install pitti's new udev and see if the issue is still there before trying to hard
[08:39] <apw> in case it is one of those things the new udev avoids in its cleverness
[08:40] <cking> diwic, perhaps for deeper tracing use http://lwn.net/Articles/365835/
[08:49]  * diwic tries the function tracer too
[08:51] <cking> apw, i use http://www.speedtest.bbmax.co.uk/
[08:55] <diwic> okay, so the function tracer gives too much data, so I don't see the actual hang, because it's being overwritten by later data
[09:28] <apw> diwic, when it hangs do you have any other modprobes running, it could be a deadlock that way
[09:29] <diwic> apw, yeah, I'm thinking something like that
[09:30] <apw> you should be able to see that with ps pretty easy
[09:30] <apw> or in the udev log it keeps during boot maybe, perhaps pastebin /var/log/udev and dmesg so we can look
[09:30] <diwic> apw, what determines if two modprobes can run in parallel or not?
[09:30] <apw> diwic, that is a good question, there used to be some periods during which only one could run, but i did think they got rid of most of them now
[09:58]  * apw wonders if diwic is even here
[09:58] <diwic> apw, I am
[09:58] <diwic> apw, indeed there are modprobes in parallel
[09:59] <apw> can we see the udev log and dmesg, would give us something to look at, and the ps please
[09:59] <apw> what are they
[09:59] <diwic> apw, I'm using this as a method to learn kernel debugging, that's why I'm trying to analyze it myself, but in short
[10:00] <diwic> apw, udev kills the i915 modprobe after ~50 s with a syslog message (or was it dmesg)
[10:01] <apw> cool for learning, if you show us those things we promise to tell you what we find and why it is relevant :)
[10:01] <apw> what was the other modprobe ?
[10:01] <diwic> apw, snd-hda-intel is in a modprobe itself, and it tries to load i915 from its own modprobe
[10:01] <diwic> apw, which starts a new modprobe
[10:02] <apw> ok, did you add that yourself ?
[10:02] <apw> ie does your _init do like a request_module ?
[10:02] <diwic> apw, it's the .probe that does a request_module
[10:03] <apw> it that occurs in the context of the _init (and from the hang i assume it does) i think that is not allowed (tm)
[10:03] <apw> you presumably want to load that module to run things in it, i wonder if you can just reference them directly
[10:04] <apw> so that the module dependancy loader figures it out ... or are you trying to make it independant ?
[10:04] <apw> s/independant/dependant on h/w found
[10:04] <diwic> apw, maybe switch to a private channel as this is prerelease hw
[10:04] <apw> diwic, ack
[12:28] <ppisati> FYI: http://lists.randombit.net/pipermail/cryptography/2013-May/004225.html
[12:29] <ppisati> [cryptography] skype backdoor confirmation
[12:29] <ppisati> ok, this one has more details:
[12:29] <ppisati> http://lists.randombit.net/pipermail/cryptography/2013-May/004224.html
[12:44] <caribou> quick question : has kexec been disabled on secureboot kernels ?
[12:44] <caribou> well, signed kernels
[12:48] <apw> caribou, not deliberatly, it doesn't need to be because before we get to that point we have closed boot services
[12:48] <apw> caribou, that said it is not clear that kexec can work as well in that environment as we have close boot services so you can only have a normal style boot from there
[12:49] <caribou> apw: ok, I vaguely remembered a discussion where kexec wouldn't work
[12:49] <caribou> apw: but maybe this is done in kexec itself, not a kernel build option
[12:50] <apw> caribou, well it cannot call the 'efi secure mode' entry point, so we cannot do all the same quirking you might use in the normal run of the boot
[12:50] <caribou> apw: just testing kdump on Quantal on a vmlinuz...signed
[12:55] <caribou> apw: ok, thanks
[12:57] <apw> np
[13:00] <psivaa> jsalisbury: i've updated bug 1181315 with the result of using the upstream kernel that you asked to test
[13:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1181315 in linux (Ubuntu) "unregister_netdevice: waiting for lo to become free. Usage count = 2' is reported and causing kernel hang when floodlight tests are run using utah" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1181315
[13:01] <jsalisbury> psivaa, great, thanks.  I'll take a look shortly.\
[13:01] <psivaa> jsalisbury: ack, thanks
[13:10] <apw> jsalisbury, is that a base issue that smb has looked at, i have a real feeling of deja-vu with that symptom, and a feeling smb was looking at something related to it in the past (some time ago)
[13:11] <rtg_> apw, I had trouble with this when entering and exiting containers, but that was a few versions ago
[13:11] <jsalisbury> apw, hmm, it could be. I'll check with smb when he's online
[13:11] <apw> there looks to be some openvswitch in the mix here, so ick
[13:11] <apw> [  480.492344]  [<ffffffff815b490c>] copy_net_ns+0x8c/0x130
[13:12] <apw> so it is entirely possible they are using namespace containers here
[13:13]  * apw lunches
[13:59] <apw> jsalisbury, do we have any specific wiki docs on disabling the abi checks ?
[14:00] <jsalisbury> apw, not that I know of off the top of my head
[14:00] <bjf> apw, we do but i think they are buried on one of the pages
[14:00] <bjf> apw, looking
[14:01] <bjf> apw, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelMaintenance   ABI section
[14:02] <bjf> apw, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelMaintenance#ABI
[14:06] <apw> bjf, ahh thanks
[14:11] <apw> bah why do kernel questions get asked on #ubuntu-devel more often than on here
[14:43] <rtg_> apw, uploaded linux_3.10.0-0.1 to ppa:kernel-ppa/pre-proposed for DKMS testing
[15:04] <jsalisbury> **
[15:04] <jsalisbury> ** Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[15:04] <jsalisbury> **
[15:33] <jsalisbury> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/_kernel_stable_hot_.html
[15:48] <apw> jsalisbury, hrm i assume my fookage occured at just the right time to miss this
[15:49] <apw> jsalisbury, 1100386 -- Server installations on VMs fail to reboot after the installations -- that one is one i am actually working on today
[15:49] <jsalisbury> apw, heh, yeah.  Don't worry, only one bug was assigned to you
[15:50] <apw> jsalisbury, anyhow i hope to have fixes out for that today, just having some "fun" because we have just today shifted from udev to systemd packaging for udev binaries
[15:50] <jsalisbury> apw, cool,thanks
[15:56] <apw> jsalisbury, just put an update in the bug and nomed it all over the shop
[15:56] <jsalisbury> ##
[15:56] <jsalisbury> ## Kernel team meeting in 5 minutes
[15:56] <jsalisbury> ##
[15:57] <jsalisbury> apw, thanks, nom nom
[16:02] <henrix> jsalisbury: i'm confused, are you sure its already 17:00 *UTC*?
[16:02] <jpds> henrix: 1600 UTC.
[16:02] <jsalisbury> henrix, sorry, I'm daylight savings challenged
[16:02] <henrix> jpds: yep, that's what i thought. thanks :)
[16:02] <jsalisbury> The meeting is in an hour
[16:02] <jpds> jsalisbury: o/
[16:22] <rtg_> jsalisbury, just uploaded pciutils for saucy. try installing saucy on that SDP in awhile to see if lspci recognizes the Broadcom gizmo.
[16:32] <jsalisbury> rtg_, will do
[16:32] <jsalisbury> rtg_, Will pciutils be included if I just build the latest Saucy tree?
[16:33] <rtg_> jsalisbury, it is a separate package from the kernel
[16:33] <apw> jsalisbury, i think he is saying you can just upgrade pci-utils once it is built
[16:33] <jsalisbury> rtg_, apw, ahh right
[16:37] <jsalisbury> rtg_, my external usb keyboard/mouse breaks on that system with 3.10-rc1 and rc2, but works on 3.9, so I'll also bisect that
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 ## Kernel team meeting in 5 minutes
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[17:19]  * rtg_ -> lunch
[17:39] <infinity> BenC: *nudge*
[17:40] <infinity> BenC: So, all that's left to do on #1181305 is for you to do some install/reboot smoketesting with the binaries in -proposed on a couple of machines and let me know if they're horrificially broken.
[17:41] <infinity> BenC: I'll test powerpc64 on my POWER5.  Not sure I want to disrupt my firewall to test powerpc32, but if 3 out of 4 flavours are good, we're probably in good shape.
[17:42] <infinity> BenC: Then we twiddle the regress-testing task, and wait patiently for master to pass its more extensive testing.  Once master is ready to promote, the bot with automagically mark ppc ready too (if we've done all our bits).
[17:42] <infinity> s/with/will/
[18:04] <apw> rtg_, ogasawara, i have just merged kernel-wedge from debian, minimal changes, but just in case fyi
[18:04] <rtg_> apw, ack
[18:06]  * apw relocates to a more comfy location
[18:38] <BenC>  infinity: works for me on ppce500mc
[18:46] <marvin24> hi
[18:47] <marvin24> does anything speak against enabling ARCH_TEGRA in 3.10?
[18:47] <marvin24> it has been converted to multiarch
[18:47] <rtg_> marvin24, can't see why not.
[18:48] <marvin24> well, it could harm, but there is still plenty of time to test ...
[18:49] <rtg_> looks like there are plenty of tegra models supported
[18:49] <marvin24> yes, all reference boards and some others also
[18:50] <marvin24> so we get tegra2/3 and 4 support and ~10 boards
[18:50] <marvin24> or 15
[18:55] <infinity> BenC: Kay.  I'm doing a glibc build on my POWER5 to look for testsuite regressions, I figure that's a reasonably sane kernel test. :P
[19:12] <rtg_> marvin24, I does not appear that you can enable CONFIG_TEGRA with trashing CONFIG_ARCH_MULTIPLATFORM
[19:12] <rtg_> without*
[19:26] <marvin24> rtg_: urg
[19:26] <marvin24> rtg_: will check
[20:12] <chiluk> Hey guys I've been working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ncpfs/+bug/1035226
[20:12] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1035226 in ncpfs (Ubuntu) "Can't remove directory from NCP server" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[20:12] <chiluk> which is actually an upstream kernel bug as well.
[20:12] <chiluk> I've bisected the commit using lucid to 1d2ef5901483004d74947bbf78d5146c24038fe7
[20:13] <chiluk> using mainline-build-one 1d2ef5901483004d74947bbf78d5146c24038fe7 lucid.
[20:13]  * rtg_ -> EOD
[20:14] <chiluk> however when I run mainline-buildone 1d2ef5901483004d74947bbf78d5146c24038fe7 precise, and test on precise rmdir works, but rm -rf fails with device busy.
[20:14] <hallyn> i have /proc/locks showing me 1: FLOCK  ADVISORY  WRITE 20035 00:12:10525 0 EOF.  task 20035 which locked inode 10525 no longer exists.  how can i tell which task is holdign that fd open?
[20:15] <chiluk> hallyn  task 20035
[20:15] <chiluk> but it no longer exists.
[20:15] <chiluk> locks need to be unlocked.
[20:15] <chiluk> iirc
[20:15] <hallyn> but whenthe task exits the fd should be closed, and then (flock manpage claims) flock is released
[20:16] <chiluk> unless the process gets killed or exits badly.
[20:17] <hallyn> so long as it isn't stickign around as a zombie, i would expect the cleanup gets done int he kernel no matter how the task dies...
[20:17] <hallyn> or does flcok cleanup happen in userspace?
[20:18]  * hallyn goes rooting through fs/locks.c
[20:18] <chiluk> the lock release should probably get initiated from userspace.
[20:18] <chiluk> or even the close for the at matter
[20:19] <chiluk> so anyone have any clue why building the same commit id for lucid works where building it for precise fails?
[20:25] <josepht> jsalisbury: bug 1180513 has been updated
[20:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1180513 in linux (Ubuntu) "lid close actions are ignored laptop always suspends" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1180513
[20:36] <chiluk> hallyn does lsof or fuser return anything useful?
[21:06] <hallyn> chiluk: oh, i think i've found it.  debootstrap seems to be firing off a running udev
[21:07] <hallyn> stgraber: ^ this is bad.  presumably due to the saucy udev change...
[21:07]  * hallyn does one more run to verify...
[21:09] <stgraber> hallyn: hmm, yeah, that could have been triggered by the new udev, blame pitti :)
[21:10] <hallyn> stgraber: trivial to reproduce now:  ( flock -x 200; debootstrap saucy xxx; ) 200>/tmp/zzz
[21:35] <hallyn> stgraber: markd it as affecting udev.  as per usual, i expect to get smacked over it before it's all over :)


[00:35] <tsimonq2> gsilva: W3Schools is pretty awesome, check that out
[00:36] <tsimonq2> gsilva: if you come across anything major, let me know and I am willing to help
[00:37] <gsilva> For now, I'm reviewing the basics of Javascript in Code Academy and then I think I'll start my own app
[00:37] <gsilva> Let's see where that will take me
[00:37] <tsimonq2> gsilva: are you familiar with app development, or are you doing this out of the spur of the moment?
[00:38] <gsilva> I am trying to learn new stuff that may value my professional skills
[00:38] <tsimonq2> gsilva: what do you already know?
[00:38] <tsimonq2> (out of curiosity)
[00:39] <gsilva> Basic stuff of Javascript
[00:39] <gsilva> Nothing else. I'm an Economics major
[00:41] <gsilva> Well, see you later. Take care
[00:42] <tsimonq2> gsilva: let me know if you need anything else, but W3Schools should guide you in the right direction. Good luck! :)
[01:27] <ianorlin> hmm dragging and dropping an .desktop file from pcmanfm to the desktop will create a launcher on the desktop in pcmanfm on the desktop
[13:47] <tsimonq2> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/lubuntu-15-10-might-be-ported-to-raspberry-pi-2-soon-495217.shtml
[13:57] <phillw> tsimonq2: yup, so you know what to ask for for Christmas :D
[14:04] <tsimonq2> XD
[14:05] <tsimonq2> look, flexiondotorg! you are in the news! XD


[08:11] <pef> hello !
[08:20] <pef> kde locales seems to be broken :/
[09:16] <Kmorph> Hello
[09:34] <author> hello Kmorph
[09:35] <Kmorph> Just wondering what one has to do if interested in joining the Kubuntu team
[09:38] <author> HelpingKubuntu Wiki?
[09:39] <author> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//HelpingKubuntu
[09:43] <Kmorph> Thanks author ;)
[09:43] <author|afk> np
[09:53] <Kmorph> Author: I was developing a MySQL frontend GUI for KDE and hopefully should be out by the end of the Year.
[09:54] <author|afk> mhm and how can i be helpfull?
[09:55] <author|afk> i will go out with my dogs.. see you in 30 min? bye
[09:56] <Kmorph> Maybe when I start testing you can come in. Its my first KDE app (and even opensource) to write and I'm not sure what happens and also the procedure. I'd love some guidance
[09:56] <Kmorph> I have just one problem though. My computer crashed and its a major setback.
[10:24] <author|afk> re
[10:24] <author|afk> Kmorph: And are you lost the data?
[10:25] <Kmorph> Yes
[10:25] <Kmorph> I did have a backup but it never had all that data in it. The sources for the app werent backed up yet.
[10:26] <author|afk> oh thats bad
[10:27] <author|afk> and the you hope the kubuntu-dev team can help you?
[10:27] <author|afk> mhm sry but i cannot help you because i'm not in the dev team ;)
[10:30] <Kmorph> not help in getting the my data back. Knowledge of Kubuntu and involment/contribution
[10:31] <author|afk> ah include your programm in the reps and adding a help file in kubuntu?`
[10:32] <Kmorph> Yes. :)
[10:32] <author|afk> ah ok i can write the helpfile
[10:32] <author|afk> or has you written it?
[10:33] <Kmorph> I haven't done that yet. I shall notify you when I'm done
[10:34] <Kmorph> If you don;t minf my asking, what country are you in? I'm in Kenya, Africa and Linux is still getting into the public arena but quit slow.
[10:34] <author|afk> please set language variables, then i can translate you app
[10:35] <Kmorph> Cool!
[10:36] <author|afk> mhm yeah... how you think..
[10:38] <Kmorph> I shall definetely accept your help.
[10:41] <author|afk> I hope i can help YOU ;)
[10:43] <froud> African Greetings
[10:44] <Kmorph> Hi froud
[10:44] <Kmorph> Froud: African Greeting to you from Kenya
[10:45] <froud> co.za
[10:45] <froud> :-)
[10:45] <froud> Good to see some fellow African's around here
[10:45] <froud> Kmorph: if you need help written for apps we can use ubuntu-doc svn server
[10:46] <froud> we have a few k docs in there
[10:46] <Kmorph> Thanks froud
[10:46] <froud> will the app move upstream
[10:48] <froud> Kmorph: what app is it?
[10:48] <froud> MySQL frontend GUI for KDE does it have a name?
[10:48] <froud> author: ping
[10:49] <Kmorph> Still trying to figure out one
[10:49] <author> hier
[10:49] <author> oh i mean im here :D
[10:49] <froud> author: written contributions welcome on http://lnix.net/~froud
[10:49] <author> sry LOL i allready use german here
[10:49] <OculusAquilae> :-) author
[10:49] <froud> lots of projects to write on
[10:50] <froud> src in ubuntu docteam svn
[10:50] <author> http://www.kubuntu.de/
[10:50] <author> i have translate this
[10:50] <author> anf
[10:50] <author> and
[10:50] <author> http://www.ubuntu-de.org/viewtopic.php?p=60364#60364
[10:50] <author> this
[10:50] <author> and it will be everey day more and more :D
[10:51] <froud> author: nice
[10:51] <author> mhm its only that what kubuntu give to me; i give back :D
[10:51] <OculusAquilae> author: you should wirte kde 3.4 not kde 3.4.2, 3.4.2 is not official, is it.
[10:52] <author> sry dont unterstand?
[10:52] <author> what did you mean?
[10:52] <OculusAquilae> on kubuntu.de you have written that kubuntu uses 3.4.2. In the original install it only has 3.4.0
[10:53] <OculusAquilae> i mean kde
[10:53] <author> mom
[10:54] <OculusAquilae> author: we should have a german kubuntu channel for example #kubuntu-de
[10:54] <author> i now
[10:54] <author> but in the german ubuntu community kubuntu is not so populair
[10:54] <OculusAquilae> not?
[10:55] <author> anyone says "author its not good that you translate the thinks"
[10:55] <author> not realy
[10:55] <author> in the ubuntuusers.de forum kubuntu has a minimal support
[10:55] <OculusAquilae> author: i read many people wanting to install kde on ubuntu
[10:55] <author> yes thats right
[10:56] <OculusAquilae> in germany, ch and au :-)
[10:56] <author> but thesupport for kde is not realy good
[10:57] <OculusAquilae> thats because we need a new channel :-)
[10:57] <author> mhm
[10:57] <author> okay i will go every day in this channel ;)
[10:58] <OculusAquilae> german people can help new users better in german than in english :-)
[10:58] <author> i give my best in forums and other documents :D
[10:59] <Kmorph> have to bail out. see you guys later!
[11:00] <author> bye
[12:01] <author> wb
[12:07] <Riddell> tvo!
[12:07] <tvo> yup I'm back
[12:08] <tvo> my monitor was dead, so it took a few days longer
[12:08] <tvo> now installing the new one..
[12:28] <author> wb
[01:54] <Riddell> tvo: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=15163
[01:55] <Riddell> tvo: horrible usability there but if you added google suggest to konqueror's normal google search that would be ubercool
[01:56] <tvo> Riddell: I'll take a look
[01:56] <tvo> there are way too much things to work on though, so I'll have to make a decision soon
[01:57] <Riddell> always the way
[02:10] <tvo> Riddell: I think there are two main routes: 1) inotify locate or 2) tweaks/bugfixes to a number of progs
[02:10] <tvo> since inotify locate will take some time
[02:11] <tvo> so, what would be priority for breezy?
[02:14] <Riddell> hmm
[02:15] <Riddell> 2) would make KDE look cooler
[02:15] <Riddell> 1) would be more difficult in terms of working with upstream (locate is GNU no?)
[02:15] <Riddell> 1) would help all of GNU/Linux-kind
[02:16] <author> "Nachricht von Riddell, Zeitpunkt: 14:15:11
[02:16] <author> 2) would make KDE look cooler" <- Its a wich from all german users ;)
[02:16] <tvo> Riddell: yeah locate is GNU findutils, I'm not sure about slocate though
[02:17] <Riddell> "It was downloaded from ftp.stormix.com"
[02:17] <Riddell> slocate that is
[02:17] <tvo> I prefer to work on a single larger project, so if I had to choose I'd go for inotify locate
[02:18] <tvo> with lots of hardcore programming :-)
[02:18] <author> it means hardcode or fast programming?
[02:19] <tvo> I ment programming as opposed to making gui's, writing docs and fixing little bugs
[02:19] <Riddell> "Upstream Author(s): Kevin Lindsay<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:20] <Riddell> tvo: contact him and see what he says
[02:20] <author> its this the "artwork" manager of kubuntu?
[02:20] <tvo> Riddell: okay I'll drop him an e-mail
[02:20] <Riddell> author: hmm?
[02:21] <author> its okay..
[02:21] <author> forget it plz ;)
[05:02] <author> *rofl* for all users that only use linux the best news for this day! http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/ (first virus for windows "visita")
[07:03] <fromoze> Is in the tasklist of breezy  compile qt with "es_ES" layout support?
[07:06] <Riddell> fromoze: what is that?
[07:10] <fromoze> When I try breezy in my amd64 i must return to hoary because I can't write special spanish carachters (     ). I meet someone now with the same problem, them I remember the problem
[07:10] <Riddell> oh, is that the X keyboard issue?
[07:10] <fromoze> no, just qt
[07:11] <fromoze> no-qt apps worked fine
[07:11] <Riddell> hmm
[07:11] <fromoze> but kde is a qt app... :/
[07:11] <Riddell> I'm not sure what would affect that
[07:11] <fromoze> the boy I meet today with the same problem is on i386.
[07:12] <fromoze> I think is about the languajes module.
[07:12] <fromoze> s/languajes/language
[07:12] <Riddell> language packs are broken just now
[07:13] <Riddell> what happens if you install the hoary langp
[07:13] <fromoze> I didn't introduce a bug because I thinked it was just the first packages that were compiled without i18n
[07:13] <Riddell> langauge pack on breezy?  http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/hoary-kde342/pool/kde-i18n/kde-i18n-es_3.4.2-0ubuntu0hoary1_all.deb
[07:13] <Riddell> dpkg --install --force-all kde-i18n-es_3.4.2-0ubuntu0hoary1_all.deb
[07:13] <fromoze> I'm trying
[07:13] <fromoze> well, downloading :)
[07:20] <pef> bye !
[07:22] <fromoze> Riddell: It look I don't need to force the install
[07:23] <fromoze> but, to see the changes, I must restart the session, do i?
[07:31] <fromoze> Riddell: must I restart the computer? The languaje package didn't bring me the problem ()
[07:42] <Riddell> fromoze: restarting the computer won't do anything over restarting the session
[07:42] <author> hello all
[07:43] <fromoze> Riddell: I supoosed that, just may be some tip with the x's font server
[07:45] <fromoze> Riddell: would you like the boy who's actually in breezy do any experiment?
[08:01] <Riddell> fromoze: I don't have any ideas at the moment
[08:03] <fromoze> Riddell: ok ;)
[08:04] <fromoze> Riddell: but I will remember you the problem if in the release candidates of kubuntu 5.10 the problem is still there  :)
[08:05] <fromoze> Riddell: and may be I try to found some information about..
[08:07] <Riddell> fromoze: yeah, don't let me forget
[09:23] <author> wb
[09:35] <Riddell> tvo: do you have a kio-locate package we can upload?
[09:35] <Riddell> uploading new versions will be a lot harder once its in main
[09:36] <tvo> Riddell: I didn't make any new ones
[09:36] <tvo> Riddell: you mean it's better to fix any bugs and upload it the last moment?
[09:37] <Riddell> tvo: I just want a tvo package in there before its moved into main
[09:37] <Riddell> since main is in upstream version freeze
[09:38] <Riddell> tvo: so I can upload tvo0.1 if you think it's stable enough, or if you have more changes you can make an updated package
[09:39] <tvo> Riddell: in there == universe?
[09:39] <Riddell> tvo: yes, kio-locate is currently in universe
[09:39] <Riddell> but I've requested it be moved to main
[09:39] <Riddell> so it can be on CDs
[09:39] <tvo> Riddell: tvo--0.1 is stable, the fixes I have to do are more or less only cosmetic
[09:40] <Riddell> I'll upload 0.1 nowish then
[09:40] <Riddell> now-ish
[09:40] <tvo> ok
[09:43] <tvo> Riddell: all todos are on wiki, I clean it up a bit and added some comments from kde-apps
[09:44] <tvo> s/clean/cleaned/
[10:30] <Riddell> hello venda
[10:30] <venda> Riddell:
[10:30] <venda> waz up
[10:31] <Riddell> I'm going on a mad universe upload spree
[10:31] <venda> Ok
[10:31] <venda> nothing new in kubuntu-docs yet
[10:32] <Riddell> venda: did you get breezy installed?
[10:32] <venda> downloaded the iso, not had time to do the rest :-(
[10:33] <venda> work, paid work must go first
[10:34] <Riddell> understandable


[00:15] <jrib> Myrtti: don't hesitate to remove one of my bans if you think it should be removed.  I'll mark any ban I feel needs my input with a comment
[00:16] <jrib> (I just read the scrollback on benzss)
[02:31] <jrib> benzss: do you understand why you were banned?
[02:31] <benzss> ye
[02:31] <jrib> benzss: will it happen again?
[02:31] <benzss> no
[02:31] <benzss> i've fixed flash now
[02:31] <jrib> !guidelines > benzss
[02:31] <jrib> benzss: k, make sure you read those.  After you are done, I'll remove the ban
[02:34] <benzss> rgr
[03:53] <jdong> rgr? I feel so old.
[03:54] <Pici> rgr that
[04:04] <mneptok> srsly rgr tht
[04:16]  * Flannel wonders where all the vowels have gone.  Web Two Point Oh certainly isn't taking all of their time.
[04:38] <jdong> Flannel: it's a new compression scheme. I believe you need the Inverse Deleted Consonants Transform (iDCT) to decode the words....
[04:39] <jdong> wow these signal processing classes have corrupted me.
[04:39] <Flannel> Ah.
[04:39] <Flannel> Don't be silly.
[04:39] <mneptok> please tell me the acronym is pronounced "I dicked"
[04:40] <mneptok> "iDCT around with that a bit."
[04:40] <Flannel> mneptok: I suppose it could be, but that wasn't the point.  It was a play on the real IDCT, Inverse Discrete Cosine Transform.
[04:40] <Flannel> But, that does fit will indeed.
[04:43] <Flannel> !test
[04:44] <mneptok> !fail
[04:48] <jdong> :)
[04:48] <jdong> Flannel: another EE nerd :)
[04:53] <mneptok> jdong: you going to the GNOME Boston Summit?
[04:55] <jdong> mneptok: when is it?
[04:55] <mneptok> jdong: Oct 11-13, MIT
[04:55] <jdong> mneptok: do I need to do anything fancy to get in?
[04:56] <mneptok> jdong: http://live.gnome.org/Boston2008
[04:56] <mneptok> jdong: you have to wear a Borat style mankini
[04:57] <jdong> mneptok: err I probably won't do that, but I might stop by :)
[04:57] <jdong> depending on how courseload proceeds by then
[04:58] <mneptok> jdong: i'll be in the area the week prior, and am going to see if Mako wants to arrange a playdate
[04:59] <mneptok> (i'll also be @ the summit)
[04:59] <jdong> mneptok: cool lemme know if anything happens; I'd be interested in a playdate too :)
[04:59] <mneptok> awshumz
[07:17] <Debanman> Can someone here kline me
[07:17] <Debanman> ?
[07:19] <Debanman> Hello anyone here
[07:19] <Flannel> Debanman: I told you to come here so you'd stop asking in #ubuntu, no one who is capable of doing it is in #ubuntu and not in here.
[07:20] <Debanman> Wel kline me then
[07:25] <Debanman> Fucking ban me
[07:27] <Debanman> ?
[07:28] <Debanman> u now a ban
[07:34] <Flannel> What an odd character
[07:47] <jussi01> Ill say
[07:47] <jussi01> oh and Moins!
[08:15] <jussi01> !bot > hunter551
[10:07] <Flannel> ikonia: He's being offtopic.
[10:08] <ikonia> oh
[10:08] <ikonia> what project is thsi ?
[10:08] <ikonia> this ?
[10:08] <Flannel> ikonia: for -marketing, feel free to call him on it in #u, as it really shouldn't be discussed there.
[10:08] <Myrtti> who what where
[10:09] <ikonia> Flannel: I was curious myself
[10:09] <Flannel> Myrtti: Colonel Mustard, in the Study, with the Candlestick
[10:10] <ikonia> it's always professor plum
[10:11] <Myrtti> I will not play with you guys anymore since you're being mean.
[10:11] <Myrtti> MEANIES!
[10:11] <Flannel> Myrtti: why? because I got it right on a blind guess with only one clue?
[10:17] <Flannel> Myrtti: you're needed in #u
[10:18] <Myrtti> I don't really use emacs that much
[10:18] <Myrtti> *really*
[10:18] <Flannel> more than the rest of us!
[12:57] <Myrtti> perhaps coffee would keep desperation away
[12:57] <pleia2> coffee++
[12:58] <Pici> mrrr
[13:00] <Myrtti> new italian roast
[13:31] <jdong> sounds great
[13:45] <Myrtti> aha
[13:45] <Myrtti> has moo_cow had a cloak before?
[14:00] <jdong> no
[14:00] <jdong> he's always been block5.gvtc.com or something
[14:02] <Myrtti> was just thinking...
[14:02] <Myrtti> if I set a ban on the hostmask he trolled/trolling from (  [go_beep_yourself]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>will it  ban his cloak as well?
[14:02] <Myrtti> that's from #freenode
[14:03] <jdong> whoa that's a new hostmask too
[14:03] <jdong> never seen him from res.rr.com
[14:45] <Tm_T> jussi01: hi ho
[15:25] <jrib> !helpme
[15:25] <jrib> stupid bugs
[15:26] <Pici> augh
[16:21] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[17:03] <Myrtti> problems with msn
[17:03] <Pici> yep
[17:03] <Tm_T> glad I don't care, it works for me enough
[17:03] <Myrtti> I don't care either, but just so you know
[17:03] <Tm_T> Myrtti: yeah, ops are hc-msn users (;
[17:04]  * Myrtti larts Tm_T
[17:04] <Tm_T> but they ARE!
[17:04] <Myrtti> so you know that there will be lots of questions about it on the channels
[17:04] <Tm_T> true, hmmm!
[17:08] <mneptok> "Thanks you for choosing Microsoft products and services. Come again!" </apu>
[17:12] <Myrtti> apparently it's fixed now
[17:13] <Tm_T> Myrtti: it isn't
[17:13] <Myrtti> *shrug*
[17:14] <Myrtti> see how much I care
[17:14] <Tm_T> I just hope there will be a time me not knowing about MSN servers...
[18:01] <jpds> !test
[18:37] <jpds> #ubuntu needs some looking at.
[18:38] <Tm_T> jpds: yes?
[18:38] <jpds> Tm_T: Nevermind, Pici muted the offender.
[18:38] <Tm_T> ah, roger
[18:51] <Pici> ompaul: Blah in #ubuntu-offtopic is WastePotato.  Is he still supposed to be banned, BT is confusing me.
[18:51] <ompaul> hmm
[18:51] <ompaul> yes he is
[18:51] <ompaul> let me enjoy that for a moment
[18:52] <Tm_T> har
[18:52] <ompaul> Pici, I told him a week
[18:53] <ompaul> it is now going to be another week ohh well
[18:55] <ompaul> Pici, it is blueyonder which I don't think is BT
[18:55] <ompaul> but it could be
[18:56] <Pici> ompaul: I meant BT as in bantracker, not the telecom.
[18:57] <ompaul> Pici, ohh, my provider is btireland .....
[18:57] <ompaul> interesting name origins hehe
[19:01] <LjL> Pici: well, both track the stuff you say
[19:02] <ompaul> LjL, have some tin foil
[19:02] <ompaul> ;-)
[19:02] <ompaul> you are right but have some anyway
[19:02] <LjL> ompaul: we don't do that anymore, they could be used to locate us by radar
[19:03] <ompaul> LjL, and NO ONE TOLD ME!
[19:04] <Tm_T> sorry guys...
[19:05] <ompaul> Tm_T, for not telling me, were you afraid someone would spot you talking with me? ;-)
[19:05] <Tm_T> ompaul: nah, I just pasted forward your tinfoil conversation to our local EFF channel
[19:05] <ompaul> hahahahaha
[19:06] <Tm_T> I found it appropriate
[19:06] <ompaul> and the others thought ?
[19:06] <ompaul> you have to share the humour
[19:06] <Tm_T> I think I silenced them... I guess they're taking off all tinfoil
[19:07] <ompaul> ahahahahaa
[19:07] <ompaul> evil
[19:21] <Myrtti> hihihihihihi
[19:22]  * Myrtti giggles loudly
[19:22] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2846509938/
[19:27] <stdin> LjL: the bot now should not send a message "<nick> please see my private message" when you include "please see" and either "from ubottu" or "from the bot" in the forward. eg: "!fact > nick  please see PM from the bot" will stop the channel message
[19:28] <stdin> let me know if it malfunctions or needs tweaking
[19:29] <Pici> stdin: uh.. I was going to log a bug for this, but maybe I'll just bother you instead.
[19:29] <Pici> What if the factoid doesnt exist.
[19:29] <Pici> !404 > stdin
[19:29] <stdin> [19:29]<ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 404
[19:29] <Tm_T> haha
[19:30] <stdin> but that was the previous behaviour (read "not my fault") :)
[19:30] <Pici> ("okay")
[19:31] <Pici> Myrtti: ponies!
[19:31] <stdin> I'll try and fix it though
[19:31] <Myrtti> PONIES!
[19:31] <Myrtti> PINK PONIES!
[19:31] <Tm_T> PONIES!!
[19:31]  * Tm_T hugs Myrtti
[19:31] <Myrtti> and EMACS!
[19:31] <Tm_T> Myrtti: should I show my screenshot here?
[19:32] <Pici> Myrtti: Whats that thing in/near the notification panel with the rounded bars?
[19:32] <Myrtti> which one
[19:32] <Myrtti> either net usage or lmsensors
[19:33] <Pici> I dont know, I don't recall seeing rounded things ever, is that due to your gtk theme?
[19:33]  * Myrtti nods
[19:33] <stdin> ubottu: reload Encyclopedia
[19:33] <stdin> !404 > Pici
[19:33] <Myrtti> now if I only could get pink-bliss.el to my emacs
[19:33] <stdin> umm, try again
[19:33] <stdin> ubottu: reload Encyclopedia
[19:34] <stdin> !404 > Pici
[19:34] <Pici> :/
[19:34] <stdin> no /msg this time?
[19:34] <Pici> No message.
[19:35] <stdin> fixed :)
[19:35] <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/poni1.png
[19:35]  * Tm_T hides
[19:36] <Pici> yay
[19:36] <Tm_T> I was first!
[19:37] <ompaul> !404
[19:39] <ompaul> Tm_T, that was, well it was, hmm, it, hmmmmmm,
[19:39]  * ompaul stuck for words
[19:45] <Myrtti> ihhihihih kyuuuut
[19:46] <Tm_T> ompaul: yeeees?
[19:47] <Myrtti> PINK PONIES!
[19:48] <ompaul> Tm_T, it is, hmmmmmmm, not to be broadcast again, it could hurt someone's eyes ;-)
[19:48] <Tm_T> ompaul: pardon?
[19:48] <ompaul> Tm_T, that picture, it hurt my eyes
[19:48] <ompaul> too much just      tooooo much :)
[19:49] <ompaul> btw I hate freedom it appears
[19:49] <ompaul> but anyway
[19:49] <Tm_T> too much what?
[19:50] <stdin> oh Pici, I'm working on your bug now
[19:50] <ompaul> pink and django at the same time :)
[19:50] <Tm_T> ompaul: haha
[19:50] <Tm_T> pink django PONY!
[19:51] <ompaul> pony is not pink
[19:51] <ompaul> pony is not pink
[19:51] <Tm_T> django pony is
[19:51] <ompaul> DANGER WILL ROBINSON
[19:51] <ompaul> DANGER
[19:52] <ompaul> Tm_T, and how is that going to help me make a decision if I am going to interlink the offices at layer 2 or stick with current topology
[19:52] <ompaul> Tm_T, I can has headache
[19:53] <Tm_T> good (:
[19:54] <Myrtti> PDNTSPA?
[19:55] <ompaul> eeeehhhh?
[19:55]  * Myrtti larts ompaul
[19:56] <Myrtti> Those are the OSI layers, silly
[19:56] <Myrtti> Please Do Not Throw Salami Pizza Away
[19:56] <Myrtti> Physical Data Network Transport Session Presentation Application
[19:59] <ompaul> ahhhh
[19:59] <ompaul> well I tend to think only in terms of IP
[19:59] <ompaul> cos that is the kind of person I am
[19:59] <Myrtti> yeah
[19:59] <ompaul> osi is not free enough?
[19:59] <ompaul> I don't kwno
[19:59] <ompaul> know
[20:00] <Myrtti> and I remember OSI-layers only because of that riddle
[20:00] <Pici> Which riddle?
[20:00] <Myrtti> Please Do Not Throw Salami Pizza Away
[20:00] <Pici> Ah, you mean the mnemonic.
[20:01] <Myrtti> whatever
[20:01] <Pici> I knew what you meant
[20:01] <Pici> Well, I didnt, er, nevermind.
[20:14] <Myrtti> so.
[20:15]  * Tm_T hugs Myrtti
[20:15] <Tm_T> ponies!
[20:16] <Myrtti> ponies :-)
[20:16] <Myrtti> and painkillers!
[20:16] <Tm_T> pink ponies! (:)
[20:16] <Myrtti> and coffee and cookies
[20:16] <Tm_T> Myrtti: and Cymba...
[20:17] <Tm_T> cymbals? who knows (;)
[20:17] <Pici> Tm_T: What is (:)?
[20:17] <Tm_T> Pici: it's smiley of mine, Jawas!
[20:17] <Pici> Tm_T: hehe. I thought it was some sort of thing that your client was turning into an image.
[20:17] <Pici> but I like jawas
[20:18] <Tm_T> I do too
[20:24] <Myrtti> there, now I'm feeling better. Time to feed the pigses, boot up my home server, get more coffee and learn Python
[20:25] <Tm_T> heh
[20:25] <Pici> Yay! Python
[20:25] <Tm_T> Ponies! Django! pink Django Ponies written in Python!
[20:25] <Myrtti> :-) yes.
[20:25]  * Tm_T hides
[20:25] <Pici> Django is confusing.
[20:25] <Seeker`> nalioth: can you be in the bots channel?
[20:26] <Tm_T> Pici: hmm, how?
[20:26] <Pici> Tm_T: I just had issues wrangling it into doing things that I wanted it to do,.
[20:27] <Tm_T> Pici: that's... ok
[20:28] <Myrtti> hello _Zeus_, how may we help you
[20:28] <_Zeus_> nothing's wrong
[20:28] <_Zeus_> i want to be here if alphakamp starts slandering me
[20:28] <Tm_T> erp
[20:29] <_Zeus_> doesn't look like he will
[20:31] <ompaul> so may I help by pointing you to the topic thanks
[20:32] <_Zeus_> what about it?
[20:32] <Myrtti> I should rework my irssi aliases
[20:32] <Myrtti> _Zeus_: the part about idlers, I presume
[20:32] <_Zeus_> yeah, well it doesn't say leave
[20:32] <_Zeus_> it says i might get kicked
[20:32] <_Zeus_> i'm ok with that
[20:32] <Myrtti> it would be awfully nice if we wouldn't have to kick
[20:32] <Myrtti> so we nicely ask
[20:33] <Myrtti> if you do not have any other issues you'd like to have taken care of here, please leave
[20:33] <Myrtti> !idle
[20:33] <_Zeus_> ok
[20:33] <Tm_T> (:)
[20:34] <ompaul> wellll l wonder
[20:34] <Tm_T> 2233.46 < nate_> gay
[20:34] <Tm_T> and not in a good way that is put
[20:34] <ompaul> ?
[20:35] <ompaul> where - lacking context
[20:35] <Tm_T> just if you see that nick, look closely
[20:36] <ompaul> they seem to be gone
[20:36] <Tm_T> good
[20:37] <ompaul> I am wrong
[20:38]  * Myrtti puts on her pink piggie velvety pants and pink fluffy socks and goes to clean her apartment
[20:40] <Tm_T> Myrtti: I wanna see your pink piggies...
[20:44] <Myrtti> I need music
[20:45]  * Tm_T hums and drums his belly
[21:07] <Myrtti> a bit better
[21:07] <Myrtti> I'm hungry though
[21:07] <Myrtti> so are the piggies
[21:12] <nalioth> Myrtti: what's for dinner?
[21:13] <Myrtti> I don't know...
[21:13] <Myrtti> I've eaten only muesli today
[21:13] <Myrtti> not one of my best days this either
[21:14] <nalioth> i'm sure the pigges appreciate muesli
[21:14] <Myrtti> they'll get their pellets and chinese cabbage when I'm done with this little cleaning thing I'm having
[21:14] <Myrtti> I should clean up their cage too
[21:46] <alphakamp> _Zeus_ in #ubuntu has an attitude problem.  He is very helful but at the same time very patronizing, he gives Ubuntu and linux a bad name. And does not prompt a community atmosphere for #ubuntu
[21:46] <alphakamp> promote*
[21:47] <PriceChild> He seems to have been quiet for an hour?
[21:49] <alphakamp> Yes this conversation was about an hr ago
[21:51] <alphakamp> I dont expect a result, I wanted to make the comment known.  I really question Ubuntu's community now
 _Zeus_: Well thats good to know, we never did have to reboot to find that out, and if we had we wouldnt have solved anything
 _Zeus_: People would find this channel alot more useful if people like your werent such jack_Ss, Thanks for you help to this point though
[21:52] <ompaul> alphakamp, it takes two to tango, he offered help you didn't want the help he offered, so you baited him further, nothing to see here move along
[21:53] <ompaul> alphakamp, anything else?
[21:53] <alphakamp> Honestly, have you seen the rest of the conversation
[21:53] <ompaul> yes
[21:53] <ompaul> you said you were running a production server
[21:53] <ompaul> and were running ff on it
[21:53] <alphakamp> I said what if
[21:53] <ompaul> not a good call
[21:54] <ompaul> it matters not
[21:54] <alphakamp> That is my point it does, he doesnt know that prior to that point
[21:54] <ompaul> you approach a person
[21:54] <ompaul> you ask
[21:54] <ompaul> you get an answer
[21:54] <ompaul> you don't like the answer and suggest the person leave the channel
[21:55] <ompaul> if you want paid support and a different answer you can if you so wish pay for it
[21:55] <ompaul> if you want help in the channel you have to accept people may not do things the way you will
[21:56] <ompaul> so -- is there anything else?
[21:56] <alphakamp> The point im making is the guy shouldnt assume that I am a complete idiot.
 _Zeus_: Thats not what forums said, but I'll go with that, then the reason firefox wont let me download anything is because ram is full...
[21:56] <ompaul> so you bait the person
[21:56] <ompaul> there is more than one way to do most things
[21:56] <ompaul> your call
[21:56] <ompaul> if you don't like the forum
[21:57] <ompaul> that you choose
[21:57] <ompaul> then you have choices
[21:57] <ompaul> if the forum had worked
[21:57] <ompaul> then --- you would not have asked in IRC I think
[21:58] <alphakamp> The last comment should have read because /tmp is full but thats beside the point now
[21:58] <alphakamp> I do have choice, choice is Ubuntu'
[21:58] <alphakamp> priorities are lost in the mess
[21:58] <alphakamp> so goodbye
[21:58] <ompaul> and you have a choice about support forums and parties therein
[21:59] <ompaul> I guess that is that until it appears on some blog
[22:05] <ompaul> You are being CTCP flooded from ompaul, ignoring *!*@gnewsense/friend/ompaul
[22:05] <ompaul> hahah
[22:05] <ompaul> hehehehe
[22:05]  * ompaul rofl
[22:05] <Myrtti> tsk
[22:05] <Myrtti> tsktsk
[22:20]  * mneptok floods his pants
[22:20] <mneptok> am i not hot?
[22:20] <Myrtti> I want my emacs to be pink and I'm too stupid to make emacs use pink-bliss.el :-<
[22:30] <ompaul> !piracy
[22:32] <soundray> Hi, could you have a look at quaal in #u please (repeated offtopic/spam)
[22:33] <jussi01> looking
[22:33]  * Myrtti pokes PriceChild
[22:34] <PriceChild> Myrtti: what's up?
[22:34] <Myrtti> *squeak*
[22:34] <PriceChild> Yay floodbots are muting again.
[22:34] <Myrtti> did you manage to get things with the fridge fixed?
[22:34] <PriceChild> hehe, yeah its on the fridge now i believe
[22:34] <PriceChild> i also sent out an apology
[22:35]  * Myrtti checks her google cal
[22:35] <Myrtti> I don't understand what's wrong with my google cal
[22:36] <Myrtti> it doesn't show up fridge at all
[22:38] <ompaul> took quall to pm
[22:38] <ompaul> no reply as yet
[22:38] <jussi01> ompaul: thanks.
[22:40] <PriceChild> Myrtti: tomorrow?
[22:40] <Myrtti> so I see
[22:40] <Myrtti> and CC next week on Tuesday
[22:41] <Myrtti> do you know if the IRC council will be on the agenda then?
[22:41] <PriceChild> The council stuff is waiting on me sorry, I'll get my act together asap. I doubt it will need to wait for a cc meeting.
[22:41] <Myrtti> damn - atleast orage and my super leet bash script can manage the fridge calendars
[22:42] <Myrtti> I wonder what it is with fridge calendar and gcal
[22:42] <Pici> Myrtti: I tried getting them to sync months ago, I eventually gave up.  I think theres a bug logged somewhere about it.
[22:44] <Myrtti> and hell - ORAGE IS COOL!
[22:44] <Myrtti> when has this app evolved into this?!
[22:44] <Myrtti> this is so wicked
[22:45] <soundray> ompaul, jussi01: thanks for your help


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 If someone knows what the solution might be, you can reply here. https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1412/not-enough-free-space-in-var-cache-apt-archives
 Well, Ubuntu touch isn't designed for you to install more packages to the root filesystem
 Could you use a chroot in your home folder?
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 thanks @UniversalSuperBox  … yes I understand, I´m just doing some tests because I want to try to compile/run processing and openframeworks. … chroot might be a solution, but it seems you need schroot, that is not installed
 Libertine is probably going to be your solution, I think it should be working in the next RC
 If it's not already
 ok I will check Libertine and also give it a try. thanks a lot Dalton 😊
 it looks is not there yet. https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/702
 Hm, ill have to try it on 16.04. On my pro 5 the libterine manager dosesnt show the package search results
 @gab11010, the GUI app and scope are not pre-installed, but you can use `libertine-container-manager` to create and manage a container from the CLI
 :O thanks for the tip @dohbee  … I´ll follow the documentation. https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/libertine.html
 @Stereofont, This is tiresome commenting on some one when they are. Not around
 I guess someone forgot it
 Fwd from Stereofont: A reminder to all that spamming and trolling are not acceptable. It is rude and disrespectful to other users. Spammers and trolls will be shown the door marked Exit
 What do to?
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 install the telegram app?
 Telegram app has no search function
 Are some doc on how to build anbox aka anbox +Image. Trying to get it for my OPO
 @John_athan, Please do not post the same question to multiple groups
 @John_athan, Install telegram webapp
[07:21] <rouji> wasn't anbox not a thing on OPO because of the ancient kernel or something?
 There are issues with all Qualcomm powered devices. Anbox will get some attention when Xenial is solid
[07:26] <rouji> huh, thought it was just some feature missing in older kernels
 @rouji, We got issues with the GPU and the colorspace so everything looks very distorted ;)
[07:42] <rouji> that sounds fun
[07:43] <rouji> screenshot anywhere?
 nope not that I know
[07:52] <rouji> sad
 Anx docs on how to reproduce the anbox build ?
 We ae happy about new contibutors, the list of todos is quite long ;)
 Yeah but without docs it is like doing it all ober again ;)
 Not tslking about docs more like a cookboock with commands the rest i could figure out
 I can just point you here: https://github.com/ubports/anbox
 @dohbee: One question about this SSH-script to put the key on the UT-device: Why does this script change the port at all? Why is it necessary to connect to a UT-phone with a specific port? In Sailfish you can just connect to the IP without mentioning the port...
 [Edit] @dohbee: One question about this script to put the SSH-key on the UT-device: Why does this script change the port at all? Why is it necessary to connect to a UT-phone with a specific port? In Sailfish you can just connect to the IP without mentioning the port...
 [Edit] @dohbee: One question about this script to put the SSH-key on the UT-device: Why does this script change the port at all? Why is it necessary to connect to a UT-phone on a specific port? In Sailfish you can just connect to the IP without mentioning the port...
 [Edit] @dohbee: One question about this script to put the SSH-key on the UT-device: Why does this script change the port at all? Why is it necessary to connect to a UT-phone on a specific port? In Sailfish you can just connect to device-IP without mentioning the port...
 [Edit] @dohbee: One question about this script to put the SSH-key on the UT-device: Why does this script change the port at all? Why is it necessary to connect to a UT-phone on a specific port? In Sailfish you can just connect to device-IP without mentioning the port... Maybe I misunderstand something. 😀
 Why does the script forward a local port to a remote port? And why can't I just put the file "authorized_keys" into ./ssh on the UT-phone to get SSH-access? 😄
 And one more: Do I need the packages android-tools-fastboot AND android-tools-adb to run it?
 Fastboot is probably not useful for accessing SSH. Adb is probably only used to forward the port from the phone to the PC. This could be also done directly (like in Plasma Mobile), but then it wouldn't be possible to use both adb and SSH on the phone.
 @JBBgameich, I only need SSH. But it seems not enough to put "authorized_keys" into ./ssh, because the port of the phone is always changing?
 Are you using WiFi or USB?
 (sorry, I didn't read all the messages here yet in case you already said that)
 I want to use WiFi... Right now this is possible via WiFi-transfer as well, but this is a bit annoying because you always have to connect to the phone on a different port.
 In my dream I would click on a bookmark in the FileManager of my PC to get directly connected with the phone - without inserting any password.
 With WiFi-transfer you have to use a port and password that changes every session - this is annoying a bit.
 [Edit] I want to use WiFi... Right now file exchange is possible via WiFi-transfer as well, but this is a bit annoying because you always have to connect to the phone on a different port.
 [Edit] In my dream I would click on a bookmark in the FileManager of my PC to get directly connected with the phone - without inserting any password. There I can see all the /home-folders of my device.
[08:36] <rouji> so kind of like kde-connect for android
 In Sailfish it works pretty nice as well. Put the SSH-pubkey on the phone and set a bookmark in your PC's filemanager. Click it and e voila... 😉
 [Edit] In Sailfish it works pretty nice as well. Put the SSH-pubkey on the phone and set a bookmark in your PC's filemanager. Click it and et voila... 😉
 i kinda wonder now if kdeconnect could just be installed via the terminal on uphone hmm
 @ignorare, Why the port would change, its a standard ssh server
 @Flohack, Everytime I connect via app "WiFi-transfer", there is a different port that I have to use...
 [Edit] In Sailfish it works pretty nice as well. Put the SSH-pubkey on the phone and set a bookmark in your PC's filemanager. Click it and et voila - welcome to phones /home... 😉
 Yes thats WiFi transfer. In theory however you could install/enable the ordinary Linux ssh server
 That would be better for your case
 @Flohack, Ah! This is just depending on WiFi-transfer and NOT on Ubuntu Touch at all?
 of course. WiFi transfer just wants to be supersecure
 Aaaah! 😊
 Remember, the base system is an odrinary Ubuntu
 So I just have to install openssh-server?
 You can go to /etc/ssh and /etc/defaults
 mabye its already there idk
 But if not, just apt-get it, yes
 But remember it will be gone each OTA ;)
 hello all again, i solved the problem of dekko inbox not showing mails in the general inbox with this release https://gitlab.com/dekkoproject/dekko/uploads/d6e03b08e2309a5b4da83b5fd594ed6d/dekko2.dekkoproject_0.1.6_armhf.click
 thanks all for the support :D
 @Flohack, Flo, you are the man! 👍 I will try this later!
 @Flohack: So I check if there is a directory "openssh-server" either in /etc/ssh or in /etc/defaults, and if not, I install it via terminal?
 yeah just follow a generic ubuntu guide how to set up an ssh server
 @Flohack, I will! Do you think this approach with connection via SSH is a risk? I think if there is the pubkey on the phone it should be safe at all?
 So no security-issue at all...
 Unless there is a security flaw in ssh in 16.04 you will be safe. Just keep in mind its not more or less safe than on your desktop. Just upstream distro code ;)
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[08:54] <rouji> dem text be tiny
 Dukato15
 Oh, the quality was reduced a little on upload to Telegram. I'll try to put it up again later on today.
[08:56] <rouji> readable enough for a quick skim, no worries
 @padraic7a, woooow is that cool!
 congrats! 😬😬😬
 Hopefully easier to read!
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 @Flohack, This is not necessary. ssh is already there and works fine
 @ignorare, The port doesn't change. If you mean the stuff in phablet-shell, it's because the ssh connection is being forwarded over adb. You don't need that. You can just enable ssh and copy your pub key over, if you prefer
 @dohbee, No but the WifiTransfer app renadomly selects a port to be connected to
 @Flohack, Yes, but that's not something I ever suggested to use for ssh
 yeah ;)
 @dohbee, So you mean, openssh-server is already installed by default?  👍
 Just run `android-gadget-service ssh enable` and ssh will work.
 Guys, this community is awesome! :-)
 Thank you Rodney!
 And then everything the common way: Just put the pubkey into ./ssh?
 Yes
 Well .ssh
 I don't remember using any command to enable it … perhaps with Developer mode, it's enabled?
 @Javacookies, it is not
 @Javacookies, if you used phablet-shell script, it enables it for you
 I'm in awe, why nobody read the f. documentation? It's all there 😂
 [Edit] I'm in awe, why nobody reads the f. documentation? It's all there 😂
 okay I see.... LOL
 @Javacookies, I wasn't meaning you precisely ;)
 no, it's okay … I'm just really wondering because I've used ssh.. … oh well, maybe I just forgot that step that I did :D
 :D
 @advocatux, Maya be, read the f. documentation with the link should be pinned in this Supergroup ?
 lol
 @advocatux, [Edit] May be, read the f. documentation with the link should be pinned in this Supergroup ?
 @libremax, Yea
 @advocatux, Oh, I am sorry for that! 😁
 @advocatux, Thank you very much! But just for better understanding: Does this command just enable the common (usual) openssh-server from Linux-systems, or does it enable some different ssh-server?
 what different ssh server would it be?
 @dohbee, I don't know - I was wondering about this word "android" in the command... 😁😉
 no, it's a "normal" ssh-server
 yes, because things are integrated with android things, on android-based devices
 Aaah! Thank you guys!
 I am sorry for asking newbie-questions, but I am a technician and not a programmer... 😄
 i understand the plan is to move away from that in the future, as we want to be usable without the android stuff, but for now it is what it is
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 @dohbee, Thank you Rodney, I understand! Maybe Purism can push it forward...
 @dohbee, [Edit] Thank you Rodney, I understand! Maybe Purism can push it forward as well...
[12:16] <ubptgbot> Mehdi Abdellah was added by: Mehdi Abdellah
[12:18] <ubptgbot> <Mehdi Abdellah> hello . how to install ubuntu in samsung 👍
 which samsung?
[12:23] <ubptgbot> <Mehdi Abdellah> rom ubuntu
 ok, but which samsung?
[12:23] <ubptgbot> <Mehdi Abdellah> for mobile
 there are like 100 different samsung phones
 all of them are different
[12:24] <ubptgbot> <Mehdi Abdellah> j320h
[12:25] <ubptgbot> <Mehdi Abdellah> cccc
 You need to port it to your phone https://docs.halium.org/en/latest/
 And your phone got only 1.5g RAM, so it will probably be very slow
[12:28] <ubptgbot> <Mehdi Abdellah> Try it
[12:35] <ubptgbot> <Mehdi Abdellah> cccc
 Mehdi the only way to get Ubuntu Touch on your phone is to port Halium, which allows Ubuntu Touch to run on Android phones. Otherwise, you will not be able to install it.
[12:41] <ubptgbot> <Mehdi Abdellah> ok thx ❤
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[12:42] <ubptgbot> <Mehdi Abdellah> tnx
 @Mehdi Abdellah, It is not a ROM in terms of Android ROM. Thats also the reason why it needs more effort and a porting process. If your device has LineageOS in a usable state, chances are high you can make a port.
 anyone encountered a problem with MTP? … on windows 7, it says "You don't have permission to access this device" … it was working before and it only happens on my bq E5 … my Nexus 5 works fine
 silly question perhaps but is your phone unlocked while you try to access?
 nope 😁
 usb MTP connection "locks" along with your screen i think
 well the screen hs to be unlocked to initiate the connection
 ^MTP stays up after you lock again?
 yes, it should keep working if the screen blanks from timeout
 but if you unplug, you need to unlock to re-plug again
 heh it does. never noticed as i set the screen lock delay to max,  and end up using the phone before  that anyways
 yes, that's correct, just need one time unlock and it's good … but on my bq E5, it stops working :( … anyway, it only happens on this specific laptop....
 When is the next xenial RC?
 @TomasOqvist, RC channels is built weekly
 Given the first one came out on Wednesday, I'd say Wednesday
 @UniversalSuperBox, Ok, thanks. I am waiting to try the clock and calendar fix.
 @dohbee and @Flohack: I am extremely happy, the SFTP file exchange to all of my UT-devices is working great! 👍👍  This is truely Apple-comfort on a Linux-device - great! Thank you so much guys!!! … However, there is one thing we should add into the SSH-manual above: If you want to connect to your UT-device within your PC's file ma
[14:50] <ubptgbot> nager you first have to create a file with name "config" in your computers directory "/home/user/.ssh". The content of this file is:  … Host    <Hostname-of-UT-Device> …     User    phablet …     IdentitiesOnly    yes …     IdentityFile    ~/.ssh/id_rsa_<PUBKEY> … Without this file you will always receive an error when connecting to the UT-device f
[14:50] <ubptgbot> rom your computer...
 [Edit] @dohbee and @Flohack: I am extremely happy, the SFTP file exchange to all of my UT-devices is working great! 👍👍  This is truely Apple-comfort on a Linux-device - great! Thank you so much guys!!! 😍  … However, there is one thing we should add into the SSH-manual above: If you want to connect to your UT-device within your P
[14:51] <ubptgbot> C's file manager you first have to create a file with name "config" in your computers directory "/home/user/.ssh". The content of this file is:  … Host    <Hostname-of-UT-Device> …     User    phablet …     IdentitiesOnly    yes …     IdentityFile    ~/.ssh/id_rsa_<PUBKEY> … Without this file you will always receive an error when connecting to the
[14:51] <ubptgbot> UT-device from your computer...
 [Edit] @dohbee and @Flohack: I am extremely happy, the SFTP file exchange to all of my UT-devices is working great! 👍👍  This is truely Apple-comfort on a Linux-device - great! Thank you so much guys!!! 😍  … However, there is one thing we should add into the SSH-manual above: If you want to connect to your UT-device within your P
[14:51] <ubptgbot> C's file manager you first have to create a file with name "config" into your computers directory "/home/user/.ssh". The content of this file is:  … Host    <Hostname-of-UT-Device> …     User    phablet …     IdentitiesOnly    yes …     IdentityFile    ~/.ssh/id_rsa_<PUBKEY> … Without this file you will always receive an error when connecting to th
[14:51] <ubptgbot> e UT-device from your computer...
 you don't need to do that
 @dohbee, Yeah? I had to do that for my Sailfish-device and now for my Ubuntu-device as well. Without this file I always got an error when connecting...
 i've certainly not done that. but you do need a working local DNS server set up, or aliases for the IPs, if you want to connect via hostname
 @ignorare, what error?
 @dohbee, Something like "Only connecting via pubkey possible" or something like this... I don't remember it...
 @dohbee, Maybe I am missing the DNS server because I installed my Os without recommended packages...
 @dohbee, [Edit] Maybe I am missing the DNS server because I installed my OS without recommended packages...
 well a DNS server is not part of the default ubuntu install
 @dohbee, [Edit] Something like "Only connecting via pubkey possible" or something like this... I don't remember, I was too happy when connecting was successful. 😊
 Ah okay! So you installed the DNS-server manually?
 and most people don't need to install one. your wifi router may provide it for you. it depends on your network setup
 Well, I would always prefer a simple config file instead of unwanted packages. 😃
 i have a physical server for mail/storage/dlna/dhcp/dns/etc
 Sounds like you are not an average user... 😄😉
 Unfortunately I don't remember the exact phrase of the error, but it was something with "only pubkey allowed" or something like this.
 But nevertheless, @dohbee, thank you very much for your extremely kind help!
 sure
 This is seriously Apple comfort...      It is also variable in ways that make me suspect some part of the software stack. But I've never identified enough of a pattern to track it down.
 it wasn't terribly great when i used it daily with ubuntu on it, as my only phone, but that was a long time ago, and i guess some of the things there are now much better
 @alan_griffiths, there's the one bit about bluetooth stack that reportedly causes much battery consumption via wakeups
 @alan_griffiths, I think there was a bug reported on github, but it's still pretty bad. Maybe kernel thing..
 keeping the device from hitting deep sleep
 i think it's on the android side, too
 yes
 Well actually I don't know, but probably
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 @dohbee: I am still excited about the new file exchange... Thanks again! 😉👍
 sure
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[18:48] <ali1234> is there any way to build a foreign chroot without root?
[18:49] <ali1234> ogra_: i know you've run into this problem
[18:49] <ali1234> but 572882
[18:49] <ali1234> bug 572882


[00:33] <monteslu_> ogra not hang out in here anymore?
[01:21] <monteslu> stgraber, have you done an ltsp installation with mutliple ltsp servers?
[01:21] <monteslu> I've got 70 thin clients and I'm setting up 2 new servers today
[01:21] <monteslu> two dual-quad cores with 16GB ram a piece
[01:22] <monteslu> total of 8 cores and 32 GB between the two boxes, more hardware than I've ever been able to throw at ltsp :)
[01:22] <monteslu> actually 16 cores between the boxes
[01:22] <monteslu> 8 cores a piece
[01:24] <monteslu> In the past i've used matt olquist's smbldap installer script to setup and connect my two old servers to the ldap server
[01:25] <monteslu> this year i have to do it manually because the smbldap installer is no longer being updated
[02:20] <stgraber> monteslu: I haven't done that kind of installation myself but I'm working for a company how does :)
[02:21] <stgraber> *who
[02:21] <stgraber> monteslu: anything that you think might be a problem with multiple ltsp servers ?
[02:23] <monteslu> stgraber, sure plenty of problems :)
[02:23] <monteslu> well, specifically there isn't any real support for it
[02:24] <monteslu> all I'm doing is pointing certain workstations at the secondary server via the lts.conf
[02:24] <monteslu> so if server 1 goes down, it's all down
[02:24] <monteslu> and if server 2 goes down, it's half down
[02:25] <stgraber> doesn't ldm provide a way of selecting a server from a list ? I thought it did
[02:25] <monteslu> My main concern for now though is connecting 8.04 to my old ldap server without the smbldap clilent configuration script
[02:25] <monteslu> stgraber, you mean for the user to do that?
[02:26] <monteslu> i'd rather it just did a round robin, and allowed for overridign
[02:26] <stgraber> that or using ldminfod to select one, I recall something like that but never used it
[02:26] <monteslu> overriding
[02:27] <stgraber> monteslu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleLDMLoadBalancing
[02:27] <monteslu> I would still need to failover my dhcp server
[02:27] <monteslu> i just did the normal edubuntu ltsp setup and disalbed dhcp on the secondary
[02:28] <monteslu> oooh, very cool. Thanks for the link
[02:31] <monteslu> this is also the first time I'm using servers with more than 4GB of memory
[02:31] <monteslu> I'm not going to use the x86_64 kernel though because of the assholes at Adobe
[02:31] <monteslu> but I think i need to select server kernel or some such thing to address all my 16GB on each server
[02:32] <stgraber> yeah, you'll need the server kernel for > 4GB
[02:43] <monteslu> I think there was something else I had to do to the secondary server....
[02:43] <monteslu> something about copyin ssh keys from the primary server
[02:43] <monteslu> sound familiar?
[02:46] <stgraber> yeah, you'll need the public key of both servers in the chroot
[02:46] <stgraber> or make both servers to have the same public key
[02:56] <monteslu> cool
[02:56] <monteslu> ok, new problem :)
[02:57] <monteslu> following the instructions word for word, and i'm getting (initramfs) instead of a login screen...
[02:57] <monteslu> so i removed "quiet" from tftboot
[02:58] <monteslu> gettign an error: connection refused
[02:59] <monteslu> then mount: Mounting /rofs on /root/rofs failed: Invalid argument
[02:59] <monteslu> and it doesn't get any better from there
[03:00] <monteslu> ooh, lots of hits, must be a common bug
[03:02] <stgraber> that means that your nbd server didn't answer
[03:03] <stgraber> does your server answer on tcp/2000 (default nbd port) ?
[03:05] <monteslu> nope
[03:05] <monteslu> tried telnetting and got nothing
[03:06] <monteslu> someone suggested ltsp-build-client on the forum
[03:06] <monteslu> giving it a shot
[03:06] <monteslu> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=686966
[03:08] <stgraber> hmm, indeed it won't work if you don't have a chroot
[03:08] <stgraber> so ltsp-build-client is the first step
[03:09] <stgraber> it'll generate the chroot and add it to tftp and nbd
[03:09] <monteslu> shouldn't that have been done by the installer?
[03:14] <stgraber> depends how you installed it ?
[03:14] <stgraber> was that with the alternate CD-Rom and the LTSP option ?
[03:17] <monteslu> yup
[03:17] <monteslu> it put some stuff down
[03:17] <monteslu> like the /opt/ltsp was there
[03:18] <monteslu> but it must not have been complete, becuase this build client script is taking as long as that install did
[03:20] <stgraber> indeed, that's because it does an install :)
[03:20] <stgraber> (well, except the desktop part of it)
[03:22] <monteslu> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall  "If the installer is done and has rebooted into your new system you will be able to boot your first Thin Client right away."
[03:22] <monteslu> that might need some revising :)
[03:31] <monteslu> cool, I'm in on the first server. Now to change to the big kernel, then connect to my ldap server, then setup the second box
[03:42] <monteslu> apparently installing linux-server doesn't automatically tell grub to use it
[03:48] <monteslu> nevermind. it worked. Restarting from a thin client doesnt
[03:48] <monteslu> but that's fine
[03:49] <monteslu> i can always do it on a comand line
[07:29] <Neil3> hey folks, just wondering how suitable edubuntu is for a home, rather than classroom, environment, say for a pc for my 4 and 5 year old kids?
[18:12] <highvoltage> *LaserHug*
[18:15] <LaserJock> hi highvoltage
[18:15] <elk80> hi everyone
[18:16] <highvoltage> hi LaserJock and elk80
[18:16] <elk80> How's everyone doing today?
[18:17] <LaserJock> still waking up here
[18:17]  * LaserJock yawns
[18:17] <elk80> have some coffee :)
[18:18] <LaserJock> unfortunately I haven't figured out how to get a coffee habit
[18:18] <LaserJock> the stuff is so nasty I just have a hard time choking it down
[18:18] <LaserJock> 10 years of uni and I still can't do it ;-)
[18:23] <elk80> You haven't tried a Latte or starbucks drink then :) they're mostly cream/sugar :)
[23:38] <monteslu> anyone have sudo throwing Seg faults on them?
[23:39] <monteslu> I'm using 8.04.1
[23:39] <monteslu> seems to not be able to write to the /root