[01:17]  * santa__ pops up from the fog in the middle of the night
[01:18] <santa__> RikMills: note for whenever you can read: marble seems out of sync in git, at least for the _archive branch
[01:18]  * santa__ dissapears in the night
[10:22] <RikMills> santa_: I lost my clone somehow, so synced
[11:16] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:16] <mparillo> Hi BluesKaj
[11:22] <mamarley> RikMills: It looks like the new KRDC version got compiled without RDP support, see:
[11:22] <mamarley> -- The following RUNTIME packages have not been found:
[11:22] <mamarley>  * freerdp, A free Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) Implementation, <https://www.freerdp.com/>
[11:22] <mamarley>    The xfreerdp binary is needed for RDP support in KRDC (at runtime)
[11:22] <mamarley> in https://launchpadlibrarian.net/549082500/buildlog_ubuntu-impish-amd64.krdc_4%3A21.07.80-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[11:33] <mamarley> RikMills: I rebuilt it with "freerdp2-x11" in the build dependency list and now RDP works again.
[11:38] <RikMills> mamarley: that is a runtime dependency, noit a build time one
[11:39] <RikMills> krdc already recommends it, but I guess should now be a depends
[11:49] <RikMills> I will fix that when someone fixes the archive so I can upload
[12:57] <mamarley> RikMills: Yeah, it seems rather silly that it would need it at build time, but it does seem to.  I already had it installed on my box and KRDC didn't show RDP as an option until I rebuilt it with "freerdp2-x11" as a build dependency.
[13:21] <RikMills> mamarley: the cmake check at build time is there to just remind packagers about runtime deps. I personally think that is an over the top measure
[13:22]  * mamarley too, but I'm just reporting what I found.
[13:44] <RikMills> mamarley: looks like they now say runtime depend, but need have a build time cmake check on the executable to determine whether the plugin should be built
[13:45] <RikMills> that is very dumb
[13:46] <mamarley> Indeed.
[13:59] <RikMills> mamarley: fix uploaded
[13:59] <mamarley> Great, thanks!
[14:00]  * RikMills goes to look for a KDE to anny about this


[01:33] <darkxst> jbicha, so folks is failing to build because PKG_CONFIG_PATH is not set correctly, even though it is correct in the Makefiles, any idea on this?
[01:36] <darkxst> jbicha, https://git.gnome.org/browse/folks/commit/?id=b1735191b8119484488c0deadd3e9c1b9ff38eb0, just doesnt seem available to the build system
[02:43] <bjsnider> darkxst, you could set "echo PKG_CONFIG_PATH" in rules before configure to see what it's using
[02:44] <bjsnider> forgot the $
[02:44] <bjsnider> but you get it
[02:46] <darkxst> I know what its using, but well the problem is its not exported
[02:46] <darkxst> I did export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=$(DEB_BUILDDIR) in rules which worked atleast
[02:56] <bjsnider> wasn't this a problem in other folks packages, or has it all of a sudden reared its ugly head?
[02:56] <bjsnider> the last version that built error-free had some other way to find the pc file, or didn't require it at all?
[02:57] <darkxst> the stuff that was failing was added since the last package
[03:01] <darkxst> and it was just the pkgconfig calls from the gir scanner not picking up the correct PKG_CONFIG_PATH
[03:23] <bjsnider> i have to remember this if it comes up in the future
[05:17] <ricotz> darkxst, hi
[05:18] <darkxst> hi ricotz
[05:19] <ricotz> Please use something like "Breaks: libecal-1.2-15 (>= 3.9)"
[05:19] <ricotz> you can't just conflict with all previous versions since the e-d-s 3.8 packages are fine
[05:21] <ricotz> but i guess there is no way that a normal package manager will solve this easily
[05:26] <darkxst> ok I can change it
[05:26] <ricotz> this will make it possible to install things without having to rebuild all rdepends since there are quite some
[05:27] <darkxst> or should I just break on the broken package ie (= 3.9.91-0ubuntu1~saucy1)
[05:28] <ricotz> but it will probably lead to a ppa-purge and reinstall for normal users anyway to get out of this
[05:28] <ricotz> this wider break/replace might be better
[05:28] <ricotz> since it won't leave people with 3.9.x versions
[05:36] <darkxst> ok
[05:40] <ricotz> darkxst, i am going to push some rebuilds for the gnome-desktop transition
[05:41] <darkxst> ricotz, right go ahead, I was going to get to that, but got tied up with the folks mess ...
[05:59] <ricotz> darkxst, what was the reasoning to update gnome-session to 3.9.x in saucy directly?
[05:59] <darkxst> I have no idea about gnome-session update
[06:00] <ricotz> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/gnome-session/3.9.90-0ubuntu2
[06:00] <ricotz> oh, your name says otherwise ;)
[06:01] <ricotz> gnome-session will require gnome-desktop 3.9 which isnt in saucy
[06:02] <darkxst> that was just a simple patch to desktop file, jbicha uploaded 3.9.90
[06:02] <ricotz> ah ok
[06:03] <ricotz> anyway 3.9.91 can't be uploaded to saucy
[06:03] <darkxst> 3.9.91 is very broken anyway
[06:03] <ricotz> because it need g-d3, or anything besides that?
[06:05] <darkxst> gdm won't even run, failing with some X error
[06:05] <darkxst> but I havent had a chance to look into it yet
[06:07] <darkxst> I was building it against g-d 3.9.91 though
[06:08] <ricotz> i see
[06:09] <ricotz> maybe i will take a look later
[06:13] <darkxst> ricotz, debdiff for 91 http://paste.ubuntu.com/6113710/
[06:15] <ricotz> darkxst, thanks, could you use a "normal" pastebin
[06:15] <ricotz> i mean not something where you need to login to get a raw version
[06:16] <ricotz> like paste,debian.net
[06:16] <darkxst> sorry didnt realise that,  that is stupid
[06:17] <ricotz> "* debian/control.in: b-d on gnome-desktop3" >> "* debian/control.in: Bump b-d on gnome-desktop3" ?
[06:18] <ricotz> yeah, that is why i never use this paste service
[06:21] <darkxst> it depends on some change in 91
[06:21] <ricotz> yes, adding "Bump .." make more sense
[06:22] <darkxst> as in version numbers in the changelog?
[06:23] <ricotz> that is another story which i would prefer myself
[06:23] <ricotz> i mean the actual missing word "Bump"
[06:23] <ricotz> g2g
[06:24] <darkxst> oh oops ;)
[06:54] <ricotz> darkxst, alright downgrading libebackend-1.2-6, libecal-1.2-15, libedata-cal-1.2-20 and libedataserver-1.2-17 to their 3.8.4 saucy versions resolves the e-d-s problem
[09:40] <ricotz> darkxst, ping
[09:40] <ricotz> darkxst, gnome-session 3.9.91 seems to work fine here
[09:46] <ricotz> could be related to some fixes in mutter git if it really fails for you
[20:03] <amjjawad> Knock knock :)
[20:03] <amjjawad> darkxst: are you there?
[20:05] <amjjawad> ok, darkxst is not here yet :)
[20:05] <amjjawad> jbicha: hi
[20:08] <darkxst> hi amjjawad
[20:09] <amjjawad> darkxst: hi :)
[20:09] <jbicha> hi, I'm half here
[20:10] <amjjawad> jbicha: hi, since you are half here, that is good :D I just need one Q :)
[20:10] <amjjawad> Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 will be an LTS release or not?
[20:10] <darkxst> ricotz, ok, I was building against mutter 91, will try again
[20:10] <jbicha> I won't be here for 14.04
[20:11] <amjjawad> jbicha: then who will take care of your work??
[20:12] <jbicha> I believe Ubuntu GNOME is off to a great start, the first alpha was only released a year ago this month
[20:13] <amjjawad> as far as I know, jbicha and ricotz are the main devs, right?
[20:13] <jbicha> you forgot darkxst
[20:14] <amjjawad> of course :)
[20:14] <amjjawad> so you are saying, you are handing over everything to darkxst and ricotz ??
[20:14] <jbicha> I was hoping that some of the Canonical guys (Laney & robert_ancell) would have chipped in more, but Ubuntu Phone was such a huge undertaking that there's been no time for them
[20:15] <amjjawad> no doubt about that
[20:16] <jbicha> yes I've been telling people that I'm on my way out for several months
[20:16] <amjjawad> anyway, good luck jbicha wherever you go and hope your new challenge is something you are going to enjoy :) and yes, I have read your blog the other day :)
[20:17] <amjjawad> darkxst: it seems we are only few so shall we start the meeting or what? :D
[20:17] <darkxst> amjjawad, sure, you know how to drive meetingology?
[20:17] <amjjawad> haha I was about to ask you to chair :P
[20:17] <amjjawad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[20:18] <amjjawad> I did quick read here but have never chaired a meeting. Yes, I am the most one who used to talk/write with Lubuntu Meetings but never chared. Julien was the boss :)
[20:19] <darkxst> amjjawad, you can chair then ;)
[20:19] <amjjawad> O_o
[20:19] <amjjawad> that is bad news haha
[20:19] <amjjawad> let me try ... haven't done that before
[20:19] <amjjawad> I don't know the command for saving the log to a wiki page?
[20:22] <amjjawad> #chair amjjawad
[20:22] <amjjawad> #startmeeting Ubuntu GNOME Team Meeting
[20:22] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Sep 16 20:22:54 2013 UTC.  The chair is amjjawad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[20:22] <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired
[20:24] <amjjawad> Okay so it seems only few and Alfredo is not here :(
[20:24] <amjjawad> darkxst: I was about to discuss a bit of the structure of Ubuntu GNOME team but I guess I got the answer that I was in mind. jbicha has confirmed he is leaving and won't be available with 14.04.
[20:25] <amjjawad> So, my Q to you will be the same as I asked eariler ... will Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 be LTS?
[20:25] <amjjawad> because some users are asking me and I have no clear answer yet!
[20:27] <darkxst> we don't really have the man power to commit to full LTS support right now
[20:27] <darkxst> so it is unlikely that 14.04 will be an official LTS release
[20:27] <amjjawad> darkxst: I do know that which is sad but what if I can arrange that? can we go for it?
[20:28] <amjjawad> I mean, if I can recurit more people to join and help?
[20:28] <amjjawad> if yes, how much time do I have for that?
[20:30] <darkxst> even if you could recruit more dev's we would need time to see they are committed long term!
[20:30] <amjjawad> darkxst: okay, then chances are so slim
[20:31] <amjjawad> so, do you think it is pointless to invest time for that? or perhaps it worths a try?
[20:32] <darkxst> even if we don't do an official LTS release, we could still provide SRU's where possible
[20:33] <jbicha> right, the community can provide updates to 14.04 LTS for the entire 5-year lifecycle if they want to
[20:34] <amjjawad> what I wanted to discuss today in this meeting not only the LTS topic but a somehow related topics :)
[20:34] <darkxst> and obviously those running 14.04 will still benefit from the Ubuntu HWe updates etc
[20:35] <amjjawad> darkxst: yes, but then, the same issue with Lubuntu 12.04 which is based on a core system that is LTS but other LXDE packages are not supported for 3-5 years :(
[20:36] <amjjawad> anyway, the final answer for that is 14.04 is not going to be an official LTS.
[20:39] <amjjawad> what I wanted to highlight and it is no secert and very obvious but thought it is good to double highlight it :D
[20:39] <amjjawad> 1- We do need more testers
[20:39] <amjjawad> 2- we do need more contributor
[20:39] <amjjawad> contributors*
[20:39] <amjjawad> having that said, I will take care of these two tasks :)
[20:40] <amjjawad> darkxst: what do you think?
[20:41] <darkxst> it would be great to find a couple more devs
[20:42] <darkxst> It would also be good if we can find someone to take of triaging bugs from the ppa's
[20:43] <amjjawad> then, we agree to that :)
[20:43] <amjjawad> #action amjjawad to find more contributors to Ubuntu GNOME and more testers also people to help with other tasks
[20:43] <meetingology> ACTION: amjjawad to find more contributors to Ubuntu GNOME and more testers also people to help with other tasks
[20:44] <amjjawad> #topic sub-teams
[20:46] <amjjawad> I am waiting the right moment to communite on the mailing list my next project for Ubuntu GNOME. After I have put so much time and energy on the Wiki Area, I do think it is time to use the same plan for Lubuntu and have sub-teams (Document, Test, etc) BUT for this to happen, I do need first to find more people to join!
[20:46] <amjjawad> but, I thought it is good idea to bring this to your attention, darkxst :)
[20:47] <amjjawad> I have already created 3 teams on Launchpad but did not send anything about it as I am waiting the right moment :)
[20:48] <darkxst> we can always form more sub-teams as we grow
[20:48] <amjjawad> +1
[20:48] <amjjawad> glad you liked the idea :D
[20:49] <amjjawad> Lubuntu had a successful story with sub-teams and I'd love to do the same with Ubuntu GNOME but we need to grow a bit bigger first hehe
[20:50] <amjjawad> #topic Slide Show Updates
[20:50] <amjjawad> darkxst: to keep you in the loop, I have worked on the slide show and send my suggestions to Alfredo and he will work on that and hopefully we can finish that before the freeze :)
[20:51] <darkxst> ok, sounds good
[20:51] <amjjawad> :D
[20:51] <amjjawad> so, slide show is almost done
[20:52] <amjjawad> what about Wallpapers? I don't think there is enough time for that, right?
[20:52] <amjjawad> I mean, no time to include more for example?
[20:53] <amjjawad> as for 14.04, we will hopefully ask for the community input to submit some wallpapers as this will motivate them and attract them to join and help :)
[20:54] <darkxst> sure, we just didnt have time in the end to set that up this cycle'
[20:55] <amjjawad> yep
[20:55] <amjjawad> I am so excited to start planning for 14.04 from now heheh
[20:55] <amjjawad> but I will take it easy :P
[20:56] <amjjawad> #topic Ubuntu GNOME Web Site
[20:57] <amjjawad> darkxst: thanks for the access, it was good to add two posts and yet again (as always), I have some ideas and plans for the Web Site but I do need 2 things
[20:58] <amjjawad> 1- Are we counting more on our website? or our mailing list? or our social media? what is the channel that represent our main channel and front line?
[20:59] <amjjawad> 2- Whatever I have in mind for the website, I do need some help and that means, I need to team up yet again with Alferdo to work on that by adding some nice stuff to the website!
[21:01] <darkxst> re 1 I think they each serve a different purpose really
[21:03] <amjjawad> as we still in point 1, what do you expect from the website? or shall I just take care of that entirely and save you the trouble :P
[21:04] <darkxst> you can take care of that
[21:04] <amjjawad> darkxst: ok, then I guess I need to be admin on the Launchpad Tea for the website
[21:04] <amjjawad> so I can add Alfredo and whoever else interested to work on that website
[21:05] <darkxst> sure
[21:05] <amjjawad> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-website/+members#active
[21:07] <amjjawad> and I guess this one as well: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-release/+members#active that is why I had no control panel on the ISO Tracker the other day with Beta 1 release :(
[21:07] <amjjawad> #action darkxst to give amjjawad access of admin on the Lauchpad area
[21:07] <meetingology> ACTION: darkxst to give amjjawad access of admin on the Lauchpad area
[21:09] <jbicha> if you need to add a new WordPress theme to the website, you'll have to submit a ticket to Canonical by emailing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:09] <amjjawad> jbicha: oh, that news to me
[21:09] <amjjawad> I guess this step is a must, correct?
[21:12] <darkxst> amjjawad, Canonical host the website, we have no access beyond wordpress admin panel
[21:13] <amjjawad> I see :(
[21:14] <amjjawad> #action amjjawad to email Canonical -<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in case of adding new theme to Ubuntu GNOME Website
[21:14] <meetingology> ACTION: amjjawad to email Canonical -<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in case of adding new theme to Ubuntu GNOME Website
[21:16] <amjjawad> #topic StartUbuntu
[21:17] <amjjawad> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StartUbuntu
[21:17] <amjjawad> darkxst: jbicha not sure if you guys have seen my other project? which is not a personal project but rather a community project right now that some people are involved and helping
[21:18] <amjjawad> I'd like for Ubuntu GNOME to play a role on that project and I have asked Rafael, Lubuntu Artwork Team Leader who is so good friend of mine and teammate to work on some nice artwork that you can see on the Wiki Page :)
[21:18] <amjjawad> and, Ubuntu GNOME is there ;)
[21:20] <darkxst> nice!
[21:21] <amjjawad> :)
[21:22] <amjjawad> final note, Facebook and Google+ Pages are having more and more activities and subscribers :) I am not dreaming of Ubuntu GNOME every night :P
[21:23] <darkxst> amjjawad, great!
[21:23] <amjjawad> I am enjoying it but it sure adds so much tasks for me so once I will find more contributors, maybe they can also help with this area. Because I am also admin for Lubuntu Pages and Peppermint, I am having so much to handle
[21:24] <amjjawad> and, I have not heard from Matthew yet :( regarding our Twitter account
[21:25] <amjjawad> I am now dreaming*
[21:25] <jbicha> try not to burn yourself out
[21:25] <amjjawad> #action amjjawad to send another email to Matthew regarding Ubuntu GNOME Twitter Account
[21:25] <meetingology> ACTION: amjjawad to send another email to Matthew regarding Ubuntu GNOME Twitter Account
[21:26] <amjjawad> jbicha: phillw, my mentor, has always and still warning me about that :D hehe
[21:26] <amjjawad> but +1 I promise I will jbicha :) thanks a lot for the advice
[21:27] <amjjawad> so, anything else you would like to add guys before ending our first meeting?
[21:30] <amjjawad> darkxst: and jbicha anything else you guys would like to add before ending? :)
[21:31] <darkxst> nope, go ahead and end meeting
[21:33] <amjjawad> okay, thank you so much darkxst and jbicha :) that was fun and a good meeting
[21:33] <amjjawad> #endmeeting
[21:33] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Sep 16 21:33:10 2013 UTC.
[21:33] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-gnome/2013/ubuntu-gnome.2013-09-16-20.22.moin.txt
[21:33] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-gnome/2013/ubuntu-gnome.2013-09-16-20.22.html
[21:40] <ochosi> hi everyone
[21:40] <ochosi> wanted to stop by to ask whether gnome3 is also experiencing a logout-issue in saucy (possibly logind connected)
[21:41] <ochosi> we're seeing this in xubuntu and from what i've heard ubuntu folks are experiencing this as well
[21:41] <ochosi> so i wanted to ask around whether you're affected too
[21:41] <ochosi> basically logging out takes ages (+8secs even on a fast machine)
[21:41] <ochosi> and then our greeter is going sixes and sevens
[21:41] <ochosi> so i suspect the session crashes or something
[21:46] <amjjawad> ochosi: hi
[21:46] <amjjawad> do you mean logout and then log back in?
[21:46] <ochosi> just logging out takes that long
[21:47] <ochosi> in sauc
[21:47] <ochosi> y
[21:47] <amjjawad> because I don't logout for any reason, I have not noticed that
[21:47] <amjjawad> I just installed the latest build on my machine so I will have a look later and let you know :)
[21:47] <ochosi> well testers started reporting it
[21:47] <amjjawad> bug report?
[21:48] <ochosi> well currently it looks a bit unrelated, but it's this one (kinda) https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1204486
[21:48] <ochosi> i wanted to investigate a bit more before reporting a new bug
[21:49] <amjjawad> that is a duplicate bug for another one which affects Lubuntu
[21:49] <amjjawad> let me try to find that one
[21:49] <ochosi> well lubuntu uses the same greeter
[21:50] <jbicha> Ubuntu GNOME uses gdm so lightdm bugs likely don't affect our image's
[21:51] <ochosi> you're using logind though
[21:51] <ochosi> so in case it's a logind issue, it would affect you
[21:52] <ochosi> (basically trying to narrow down the issue)
[21:53] <amjjawad> I am not sure if this is even similar or not - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1213837
[23:15] <darkxst> ochosi, logout takes about 10secs here, but that is in a VM so not sure if its actually slow, or just the VM!
[23:18] <ochosi> darkxst: it is just as slow on a real install
[23:18] <ochosi> at least in xubuntu