[00:21] <cooloney> who smb`
[11:40] <_d4vid> when come 3.8.10 to kernel mainline ppa?
[11:41] <_d4vid> and 3.9
[11:46] <zequence> apw: So, linux-lowlatency development release maintenance? How does that work?
[11:48] <zequence> apw: I suppose I'd prepare the source the same way, but how do I keep track of when to do it?
[11:49] <zequence> I'm going to try get some upload rights this cycle. How difficult might that be for linux-lowlatency? I'm focusing on Ubuntu Studio packages first, but I suppose if I were to become a MOTU, I'd be able to upload linux-lowlatency as well
[11:50] <zequence> To begin with, I'm going to focus on getting upload right for the Ubuntu Studio package set first, but -lowlatency is seemingly not a part of that group of packagesd
[13:57] <hallyn> apw: do you know whether macvlan/macvtap over wifi is supposed to ever work?  (been googling for awhile, and looking at the src, all i know is it doesn't in fact work :)
[14:34] <DeaconDesperado> greets...
[14:34] <DeaconDesperado> I have a kernel bug to report in ubuntu, but it's on a friends comp and he's pretty lost running the reporter on terminal
[14:35] <DeaconDesperado> I have output from hardinfo and screencaps of the crash
[14:35] <DeaconDesperado> where to submit?
[14:52] <dobey> DeaconDesperado: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug
[15:39] <DeaconDesperado> dobey: thanks
[21:36] <melkor> What happened to the -extras in the mainline kernel?
[21:37] <melkor> This 3.9 kernel is tiny.
[21:44] <Sarvatt> 42MB is the same size as the old image/extras combo, it just got condensed into one
[22:53] <infinity> apw: The 3.9 kernel appears to fail to autoload overlayfs.ko when I schroot for the first time.
[22:53] <infinity> apw: Manually modprobing it works fine.
[23:40] <apw> infinity, i would expect that to be modprobe'd by mount ?
[23:40] <infinity> apw: You'd think, right?
[23:41] <apw> infinity, though ... as you are in a chroot (right?) it would not be there to probe
[23:41] <infinity> apw: No, this is on bare metal.
[23:41] <apw> "autoload overlayfs.ko when I schroot"
[23:41] <apw> what does that mean
[23:43] <infinity> apw: It means schroot fails and vomits something about overlayfs being an unknown filesystem type.
[23:43] <infinity> apw: And when I modprobe the module first, it works fine.
[23:43]  * apw is expecting the schroot to use mount, hmmm
[23:43] <infinity> E: 10mount: mount: unknown filesystem type 'overlayfs'
[23:43] <infinity> It is.
[23:44] <apw> and the same version booted to the raring kernel works i assume
[23:44] <infinity> Yep.
[23:44] <xnox> infinity: and that's on a nexus or normal desktop?!
[23:44] <xnox> ah, never mind me if it works on raring.
[23:51] <apw> infinity, very odd ...


[02:45] <Jaymac> i use sudo all the tyme
[02:45] <kkathman> sudo should only be used at the CLI
[02:45] <kkathman> well go ahead..but the developers themselves have told me that
[02:46] <getafix> so what is that even going to do?
[02:46] <getafix> what am i trying to achieve here?
[02:46] <kkathman> getafix  alt-F2  then type kdesu kate   then open that files
[02:46] <DJ_Mer_> okay sweet... _nano_ i managed to restart the playlist without rebooting the server :-D
[02:46] <kkathman> and do what _nano_ says
[02:47] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, :D great !
[02:47] <getafix> alt f2 goes to desktop
[02:47] <Insomniac-> kkathman: probably the only difference between sudo and kdesu is that one has a text password prompt and the other a gui one
[02:47] <getafix> and yo mean what jaymac told me to do?
[02:47] <_nano_> getafix, precisely :)
[02:47] <kkathman> Insomniac-: Im just going by what two different developers have told me
[02:48] <getafix> kwrite cannot connect to x server
[02:48] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: mah homboy is up
[02:49] <_nano_> getafix,  sudo nano /etc/fstab
[02:49] <Insomniac-> kkathman: i'm too lazy to go look for the sources
[02:49] <getafix> woh
[02:49] <Insomniac-> but sudo/kdesu are basically very simple programs
[02:49] <kkathman> ok
[02:50] <_nano_> getafix, that's the command you need to type out
[02:50] <getafix> what is
[02:50] <getafix> the sudo nano?
[02:50] <kkathman> you do things your way and I'll do things mine
[02:50] <getafix> i've done that
[02:50] <_nano_> getafix, sudo nano /etc/fstab
[02:50] <getafix> yup
[02:50] <getafix> done
[02:50] <_nano_> getafix, so what do you see infront of you? the file right?
[02:50] <kkathman> I should be quiet Im just confusing the situation anyway
[02:50] <DJ_Mer_> just listen to Soviet Radio kkathman :-D
[02:50] <getafix> a list of the partitions on the right
[02:51] <kkathman> yeah thats the thing to do
[02:51] <getafix> "mount points"
[02:51] <kkathman> lol
[02:51] <getafix> type
[02:51] <getafix> option
[02:51] <getafix> etc
[02:51] <DJ_Mer_> kkathman: it is
[02:51] <_nano_> getafix, great
[02:51] <_nano_> getafix, now add the following
[02:52] <_nano_> /dev/hda1       ***/win_c  ntfs    nls=utf8,umask=0222 0       0
[02:53] <_nano_> where *** is your home directory path
[02:53] <_nano_> /home/login name
[02:53] <getafix> oh ok
[02:53] <getafix> how do i add
[02:53] <getafix> just type that?
[02:53] <_nano_> ok open another terminal window
[02:53] <_nano_> and type : pwd
[02:53] <DJ_Mer_> getafix: make sure you don't copy and paste that stuff though, type it all yoursslf.
[02:53] <_nano_> tell me the contents
[02:54] <getafix> ./home/mike
[02:54] <coolio10> i have a directory on my desktop /Desktop/install_flash_player_7_linux but how do i launch it feom command line?
[02:54] <_nano_> i presume you created win_c and win_d in your mike directory right?
[02:54] <_nano_> if that is the case
[02:54] <_nano_> add verbatim the following :
[02:54] <DJ_Mer_> I need a band thats name starts with D or F to start.
[02:54] <getafix> well i thought i did but i'm not sure
[02:55] <_nano_> type : ls    do you see your directories there?
[02:55] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_:
[02:55] <DJ_Mer_> im gonna restart the cast
[02:55] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, ok
[02:56] <getafix> is
[02:56] <getafix> ?
[02:56] <_nano_> it's not "is", it's "ls"   L in small letter
[02:56] <monad> hi... is 51 degrees an acceptable cpu temperature?
[02:56] <getafix> ahh
[02:56] <_nano_> monad, i'm currently running at 55 stable :P
[02:56] <getafix> yup
[02:56] <getafix> purple win_c and win_d
[02:56] <_nano_> cool
[02:56] <_nano_> remember it's case sensitive
[02:57] <getafix> sweet
[02:57] <monad> lIKe THat?
[02:57] <monad> :-P
[02:57] <coolio10> how do i launch a file from the commandline thats on my desktop?
[02:57] <_nano_> /dev/hda1       /home/mike/win_c  ntfs    nls=utf8,umask=0222   0       0
[02:57] <_nano_> getafix, add the above to the fstab file
[02:58] <_nano_> make sure you got the case sensitive thingy right
[02:58] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: okay that went a bit bumpy but we are good
[02:58] <_nano_> heh
[02:59] <monad> try<ing to install kubuntu on an old machine with a scsi configuration i don't understand... i need to give some bootr params to the install cd, otherwise i'll get a kernel panic (like yesterday). what would you suggest
[02:59] <getafix> change the ones that are already there for the /dev/hda1 you mean?
[02:59] <_nano_> there is already some??
[02:59] <_nano_> copy paste what's there plz :)
[02:59] <_nano_> i mean copy paste from there to here
[02:59] <_mrj> hey
[02:59] <_mrj> boys
[02:59] <getafix> ./dev/hda1       /media/hda1     ntfs    defaults        0       0
[02:59] <_mrj> a little help here
[03:00] <monad> is there a list of boot params somewhere?
[03:00] <_nano_> getafix, then you're all set :)
[03:00] <getafix> /dev/hda2       /media/hda2     ntfs    defaults        0       0
[03:00] <getafix> .
[03:00] <_mrj> how can i install with apt-get new cyrillic fonts
[03:00] <_mrj> wich package do i need ?
[03:00] <_nano_> getafix, you can browse your windows directory from /media/hda1
[03:00] <getafix> yeah
[03:00] <_nano_> and /media/hda2
[03:00] <coolio10> where are applications installed in kubuntu?
[03:00] <getafix> but it won't let me
[03:00] <_nano_> you've to be in root
[03:00] <hmpedersen> Hi
[03:00] <getafix> oh
[03:00] <getafix> ok
[03:00] <_nano_> and also i think you can only read
[03:01] <_nano_> as i guess ntfs write is still experimental
[03:01] <getafix> say i go ls
[03:01] <_nano_> ls /media/hda1
[03:01] <getafix> how do i change to the directory?
[03:01] <getafix> ahhhh
[03:01] <_nano_> cd /media/hda1
[03:01] <getafix> permission denied
[03:02] <monad> getafix: :-P
[03:02] <_nano_> sudo ls /media/hda1 ?
[03:02] <monad> there's no way out now
[03:02] <monad> that's that :-)
[03:02] <coolio10> also how do i reinstall grub because i have kubuntu listed 2 times!
[03:02] <getafix> WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[03:02] <getafix> your the man
[03:02] <_nano_> lol
[03:03] <getafix> hmm
[03:03] <getafix> ok so i can now l;ist that stuff
[03:03] <getafix> how can i say
[03:03] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: it doesn't seem to be realizing it has more than 20 songs to pick from now
[03:03] <getafix> use amaroc
[03:03] <getafix> and locate my mp3s on those partitions?
[03:03] <_nano_> although i use xmms, i think it should be similar with amarok as well
[03:04] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, do you use amarok?
[03:04] <Insomniac-> _nano_: amarok has a built in filebrowser
[03:04] <Insomniac-> s/_nano_/getafix/
[03:05] <hmpedersen> Can ne1 help me.. Im trying to figure out how to add a program to autostart when i logon..
[03:05] <_nano_> getafix, you have to change permissions of your media directory
[03:05] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: yeah, but the servr is hosted via a bunch of scripts... no actual "player" is playing these songs
[03:05] <monad> hello? anyone got suggestions for scsi boot params?
[03:05] <getafix> ok
[03:05] <getafix> and how would i do that
[03:05] <DJ_Mer_> hmmmm
[03:05] <DJ_Mer_> this is becoming a little odd...
[03:05] <DJ_Mer_> i need to get this playlist to terminate
[03:06] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: use a big hammer
[03:06] <DJ_Mer_> i'll give it a few more songs to play a song from the F-artist catagory, if it doesn't its not detecting the new playlist
[03:07] <DJ_Mer_> its just sticking to an odd selection considering how many songs are in the list, you'd figure it would wanna spread its wings alreadty
[03:07] <_nano_> getafix, sudo chomd a+r /media/hda1  and so on
[03:07] <_nano_> *chmod
[03:07] <DJ_Mer_> and frankly, if i hear one more 3 doors down song my ibook is gonna go flying
[03:08] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, how's the status of resources?
[03:08] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: what you mean?
[03:08] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, i mean how many ppl are hooked up on to your server and how much resources are being used from your computer
[03:09] <DJ_Mer_> Soviet Radio is hosted on Kubuntu on a 1.2 GHz AMD Burton 2500+ with 2 GB of ram and a 250 GB seagate HDD with an average listeners of 3, average listening time 17 minutes
[03:09] <DJ_Mer_> okay I gotta figure out whats up with this playlist lol
[03:09] <_nano_> okay :P
[03:10] <getafix> hmm
[03:10] <getafix> does that mean it changed
[03:10] <getafix> it said
[03:10] <DJ_Mer_> it seems okay, theres no blocks or breaks in the text.
[03:10] <_nano_> getafix, ok :)
[03:10] <getafix> chmod: changing permissions of `/media/hda1': Read-only file system
[03:10] <_nano_> getafix, now try browsing to that folder through amarok
[03:10] <_nano_> all your songs are in C right?
[03:10] <getafix> its got a little padlock
[03:11] <getafix> in c?
[03:11] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: this was* my gaming box before my video card overheated and now I am building a new one for that stuff... now, this has been turned into a multipurpose linux box
[03:11] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, you mean test bed? :P
[03:11] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: for the past year I hosted Soviet Radio on an ibook 24/7... didn't do much but kill the lifespan of my poor lil 12''
[03:11] <_nano_> awww
[03:12] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: but that little tank is still running strong right now... no problems yet. This died and I needed to give it some task, couldn't let it rot
[03:12] <_nano_> getafix, you wanna use amarok to listen songs right? and the songs are in your windows directory ? if yes then which windows directory are they in?
[03:12] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: so the death of video card couldn't of came along at a better time... lol
[03:12] <getafix> they're in the hda2 partition
[03:12] <_nano_> getafix, so do the same with the hda2 partition as well
[03:12] <getafix> already have
[03:13] <_nano_> okies
[03:13] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: i've also got a NEC REady 8587 ,7 years old, hosting Windows Advanced Server 2003, that thing is sitting in a closet hosting an in-house website/home control system.
[03:13] <_nano_> getafix, now browser to that directory using amarok and see if you can play your songs
[03:13] <getafix> ./media/hda2/mikes/mp3s
[03:13] <getafix> the folder still has a little padlock on it
[03:14] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, what's "in-house website/home control system????" :O
[03:14] <DJ_Mer_> hehe...
[03:14] <DJ_Mer_> keep everything i need networked... address books, the works.
[03:14] <_nano_> getafix, that padlock is no problem, it just means you couldn't write into that
[03:14] <Insomniac-> windows 2003 runs on 7 year old hardware?
[03:14] <DJ_Mer_> and the in-home control allows me to host CD's, DVD's or radio stations accross the house
[03:14] <getafix> but it does nothing when i click is
[03:14] <getafix> it
[03:14] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: minimal requirements are 133MHz lol
[03:14] <zero0> how can I play DVD on Kubuntu?
[03:15] <getafix> and if i can system then home
[03:15] <getafix> then go up to media/
[03:15] <getafix> then try to go hda2 it says you don't have permission
[03:15] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: does it actually work instead of swap itself silly?
[03:15] <Insomniac-> swapping*
[03:15] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: never had a problem iwth it.
[03:15] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: it runs quite nice, despite its age.
[03:16] <Insomniac-> my p133 system's hd died
[03:16] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: gotta think about what really messes up computers... pretty gui's, stupid programs, big bloated applications... windows server is actually pretty well-stripped down... for windows.
[03:16] <_nano_> getafix, type:   ls -al /media/hda2
[03:16] <Insomniac-> never bothered to dig it out of the closet to fix it
[03:16] <DJ_Mer_> lol I am a packrat
[03:17] <DJ_Mer_> if I can make it run i'll do it, even if it sits there heating a corner of my room
[03:18] <getafix> ls: invalid option -- /
[03:18] <getafix> ?
[03:18] <monad> hellohello... s c s i  b o o t  p a r a m s anyone?
[03:18] <monad> please...
[03:18] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: i'll have to take a pic of my computer storage sometime. Its like 15 routers, half of which don't work...  I still have my first car... and it hasn't driven since the trip to utah that i took that led to its fatal end.
[03:20] <getafix> its long
[03:20] <Insomniac-> going to sell this pc when i get my new one
[03:20] <getafix> dr-x------  1 root root     16384 2005-12-14 01:57 .
[03:20] <getafix> drwxr-xr-x  8 root root       240 2005-12-15 02:17 ..
[03:20] <getafix> dr-x------  1 root root     20480 2005-11-05 15:43 acid
[03:20] <getafix> dr-x------  1 root root         0 2005-08-22 16:37 Beats
[03:20] <getafix> dr-x------  1 root root      4096 2005-07-19 00:07 DATA
[03:21] <getafix> thats hte first 5
[03:21] <getafix> need you more?
[03:21] <getafix> dr-x------  1 root root      8192 2005-12-05 14:00 mikes
[03:21] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: i guess at some point it does become valuable to throw them away.
[03:21] <getafix> thats where the music is
[03:21] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: the p133 used to be my router
[03:21] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: aww.... lol
[03:21] <_nano_> getafix, sudo ls -ald /media/hda2
[03:22] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: the "router"... final stage in a computers life.
[03:22] <Insomniac-> but i have a hardware router now which uses way less power and is passively cooled
[03:22] <getafix> dr-x------  1 root root 16384 2005-12-14 01:57 /media/hda2
[03:22] <Insomniac-> so the 133 is pretty much obsolete
[03:22] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: i love it when a computer becomes commissioned as a router.
[03:22] <_nano_> so basically others don't have read permission to that folder
[03:22] <getafix> only root
[03:22] <_nano_> getafix, you need to change that
[03:22] <getafix> can i change that>?
[03:22] <getafix> yeah
[03:22] <getafix> heh
[03:23] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: well i could do more than just routing with it
[03:23] <Insomniac-> like traffic shaping, imap etc
[03:23] <hmpedersen> Again, sorry for repeating myself.. But how do i change, what programs will start when i logon?
[03:23] <_mrj> i have a problem
[03:23] <_mrj> a serious one
[03:23] <Insomniac-> but i can't be bothered to move alot of stuff out of the way just to get to the machine and replace the hd
[03:23] <_mrj> with fonts, cyrillic
[03:23] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: im just glad i got soviet radio up and pimpin' im good for a week before i am off to break something else lol
[03:23] <_mrj> but in firefox and openoffice i see the web pages in cyrillic normal
[03:24] <_mrj> only in xmms and in mplayer i encourage problems
[03:24] <getafix> any idae how i change that nano?
[03:24] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: i hope i remember to throw that computer away when i move out
[03:25] <_mrj> ***help someone ?***
[03:25] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: lol... if not, use it as a decorative item... turn it into a glowing flower pot or something.
[03:25] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: my next task is the infamous Cantenna... I am going to make my own.
[03:26] <Insomniac-> stacked pringles cans?
[03:26] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: so that i can find an open wifi near me and sneak the server onto it :-P
[03:26] <Insomniac-> hehe
[03:26] <_nano_> getafix, sudo chmod 444 /media/hda2
[03:26] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: so i don't have to deal with it hahaha
[03:26] <Insomniac-> reminds me.. i should get a wireless card to play with
[03:27] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: its so fun to steal peoples net... and purposely download porn on it.
[03:27] <getafix> mike@MaxPower:~$ sudo chmod 444 /media/hda2
[03:27] <getafix> chmod: changing permissions of `/media/hda2': Read-only file system
[03:27] <getafix> mike@MaxPower:~$ sudo ls -ald /media/hda2
[03:27] <getafix> dr-x------  1 root root 16384 2005-12-14 01:57 /media/hda2
[03:27] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: its evil, but i mean hey... don't leave your door open if you don't want a theif to enter right?
[03:27] <_mrj> Insomniac-:  could you help me ?
[03:27] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: help ya what?
[03:27] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: might be fun to combine several wireless networks to increase throughput
[03:27] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: can you do that?
[03:28] <Insomniac-> why not
[03:28] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: i've never tried it... i just steal one per resource
[03:28] <Insomniac-> _mrj: help you do what?
[03:28] <_nano_> getafix, can you paste the contents of your fstab file again?
[03:28] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: this song kinda annoys me
[03:29] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: wish he would just find his way home already.
[03:29] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, haha
[03:29] <DJ_Mer_> ohh ohh greenday
[03:29] <DJ_Mer_> :-D
[03:29] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, how about a streaming video server? ;)
[03:29] <getafix> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[03:29] <getafix> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[03:29] <_root> for some reason every time i go to storage media nothing is there?
[03:29] <_mrj> Insomniac-: i wanna install xfonts-cyrillic  but it is not existing on a repository
[03:29] <getafix> /dev/hda5       /               reiserfs notail          0       1
[03:29] <getafix> /dev/hda1       /media/hda1     ntfs    defaults        0       0
[03:29] <getafix> /dev/hda2       /media/hda2     ntfs    defaults        0       0
[03:29] <getafix> /dev/hda6       /media/hda6     vfat    defaults        0       0
[03:29] <getafix> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[03:29] <getafix> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[03:29] <getafix> heh
[03:29] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: lol... I don't have the available resources or patience fori t.
[03:30] <_mrj> Insomniac-: or i just wanna have cyrillic titles in my XMMS
[03:30] <Insomniac-> _mrj: see if debian has a package
[03:30] <Insomniac-> if they do
[03:30] <_mrj> Insomniac-:  and in Mplayer subtitles in bulgarian which is cyrillic
[03:30] <Insomniac-> steal theirs
[03:30] <_mrj> Insomniac-: how to do that
[03:30] <Insomniac-> packages.debian.org or something like that
[03:30] <_mrj> Insomniac-:  i have downloaded a some package xfonts and tried to install it with dpkg
[03:31] <_mrj> but i ve encouraged a strange errors
[03:31] <_nano_> /dev/hda2       /media/hda2  ntfs    nls=utf8,umask=0222     0       0
[03:31] <_nano_> getafix, use ^^
[03:31] <_nano_> getafix, replace those lines
[03:31] <_nano_> getafix, make sure you're doing sudo nano thingy
[03:31] <_nano_> only replace for hda2
[03:31] <_nano_> don't mess with others
[03:32] <getafix> how do you replace it
[03:32] <_mrj> Insomniac-: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/463681
[03:32] <_nano_> by typing :P
[03:33] <getafix> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[03:33] <getafix> #
[03:33] <getafix> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[03:33] <getafix> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[03:33] <getafix> /dev/hda5       /               reiserfs notail          0       1
[03:33] <getafix> /dev/hda1       /media/hda1     ntfs    defaults        0       0
[03:33] <getafix> /dev/hda2       /media/hda2     ntfs    nls=utf8,unmask=0222        0       0
[03:33] <getafix> /dev/hda6       /media/hda6     vfat    defaults        0       0
[03:33] <getafix> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[03:33] <getafix> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[03:33] <getafix> does it just save it?
[03:33] <dutch> gotta go to work..y'all have a good one...later
[03:33] <getafix> hmm
[03:33] <_nano_> getafix, yes
[03:33] <getafix> i see
[03:33] <Insomniac-> _mrj: it's looking for some script to be there, see if there are any packages related to this one
[03:33] <getafix> once yo exit
[03:34] <_nano_> it will ask for filename
[03:34] <_nano_> just press enter
[03:34] <_nano_> coz the filename would be same
[03:34] <_mrj> Insomniac-: how can i see that with dpkg ?
[03:34] <getafix> dr-x------  1 root root 16384 2005-12-14 01:57 /media/hda2
[03:34] <getafix> yup
[03:34] <Kibou> unmask?
[03:34] <getafix> done that
[03:34] <_nano_> ok
[03:34] <_nano_> getafix, sudo mount -a
[03:35] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, do you have radiohead?
[03:35] <Insomniac-> _mrj: dunno which dpkg flag you need
[03:35] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, song requests ;)
[03:35] <getafix> hit enter
[03:35] <getafix> nothing happense
[03:35] <Insomniac-> _mrj: see the manpage, look for an option to show package dependancies
[03:35] <_nano_> getafix, now check if you can browser
[03:35] <_nano_> *browse
[03:36] <_nano_> hda2
[03:36] <Insomniac-> _mrj: i'm going to take a nap (have a headache), good luck
[03:36] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, great song!!!
[03:36] <getafix> nup
[03:36] <getafix> still not enogh permissinos
[03:36] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: i can't do requests on this type of playlist.
[03:36] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: its pre-configured and set to go randomly... lol
[03:37] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: but I do have 4 radio head CD's, they haven't been added to the list though
[03:37] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: i need to get some more sleep before diddling with that, i almost ruined it last time lol
[03:38] <_nano_> getafix,  /dev/hda2       /home/mike/win_C  ntfs    nls=utf8,umask=0222     0       0
[03:38] <_nano_> getafix, try replacing that line with this in your fstab file
[03:38] <_nano_> oops, make that win_D
[03:38] <getafix> but i didn't mount the drives there did i?
[03:38] <_nano_> you would get it now in your home directory
[03:38] <getafix> tey're empty when you ls
[03:39] <_nano_> no you have to remount them
[03:39] <_nano_> just replace the lines
[03:39] <_nano_> and lemme know
[03:40] <getafix> then try browse that directory?
[03:40] <getafix> its empty
[03:41] <_nano_> getafix, sudo mount -a
[03:42] <getafix> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda2 is mounted on /media/hda2
[03:42] <_nano_> sudo unmount /media/hda2
[03:42] <_nano_> and then sudo mount -a
[03:43] <getafix> unmount commonad not found
[03:43] <_nano_> umount :P
[03:43] <_nano_> sorry
[03:43] <_nano_> :P
[03:44] <_nano_> getafix, man you would be pulling out your hair now :P
[03:44] <getafix> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2,
[03:44] <getafix>        missing codepage or other error
[03:44] <getafix>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[03:44] <getafix>        dmesg | tail  or so
[03:44] <getafix> if it wasn't for you?
[03:44] <getafix> its kinda fun
[03:44] <getafix> cause i'm learning
[03:44] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: know whats funny? the way this randomizer seems to select songs is so good i haven't seen a reason to wanna change it yet... my old one was horrible at puting genres with stuff they didn't belong with.
[03:44] <getafix> i now know what sudo and ls
[03:44] <getafix> are
[03:44] <getafix> and learning this mounting crap
[03:45] <_nano_> could you send me your fstab file ?
[03:45] <_nano_> let's get on PM getafix
[03:45] <getafix> Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register!
[03:45] <getafix> i gues i'l register first
[03:45] <_nano_> hahaha
[03:46] <_nano_>   "/msg NickServ register **** "
[03:46] <_nano_> where **** is your password
[03:46] <getafix> booo
[03:46] <_nano_> haha
[03:46] <getafix> already registered
[03:46] <getafic> YUS
[03:48] <^rob^> hi
[03:48] <^rob^> how can i grep with two words - like :  last |grep (system || down)
[03:57] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, isn't there a way to influence the randomizer to get radiohead songs? :)
[03:59] <_jonas> vad betyder det att "spraren r nedkopplad" i Ktorrent och hur gr jag fr att komma frbi problemet?
[04:00] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: they aren't listed yet... only songs with artists up to O have been loaded
[04:00] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: radiohead will be on by tonight though.
[04:00] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, cool :D
[04:01] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: it certainly is cranking out the greenday right now eh?
[04:01] <BlueDevil> does anyone have the same issue with kpdf as I do? see here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5753
[04:01] <DJ_Mer_> okay guys, im off to bed.
[04:02] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: enjoy the radio... but be careful, its been thought to cause cancer in a certain ammount of lab rats.
[04:02] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: lmao... you'll hate this song.
[04:04] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_,  :(
[04:05] <_jonas> What does it mean that the tracker is unknown when I am downloading using Ktorrent and how do I get by this problem?
[04:07] <DJ_Mer_> lmfao...
[04:07] <DJ_Mer_> a deer crashed thru a smoothie store front door
[04:08] <_nano_> :P
[04:08] <DJ_Mer_> thats hilarious, they've got the security camera tape on cnn.com
[04:08] <DJ_Mer_> it just goes flying through the front door.
[04:14] <mrj> why after i install xfonts-cronyx i do not see them ?
[04:14] <mrj> where are they installed ?
[04:14] <mrj> i installed it with apt-get
[04:15] <Stele> anyone know what happened to kdbg?
[04:17] <mrj> Stele:  where are you from ?
[04:18] <Stele> where was I born or where do I live?
[04:18] <Stele> :)
[04:20] <Stele> why does adept not show "kde" as being  installed
[04:20] <Stele> ?
[04:21] <seth_k|away> Stele, because KDE is a very large metapackage
[04:21] <seth_k|away> it's not all installed
[04:22] <Stele> ah
[04:22] <seth_k|away> only parts of it are, like kdebase
[04:22] <Stele> is it safe to install it though?
[04:22] <Stele> will it mess up my environment?
[04:22] <Stele> i need the dev tools
[04:22] <seth_k|away> yeah... but it'll pull in a whole bunch of stuff you probably don't want
[04:22] <seth_k|away> if you want the dev stuff, install kde-devel
[04:22] <Stele> ok cool
[04:22] <Stele> thanks for clearing that up
[04:22] <Stele> i just want kdbg
[04:23] <seth_k|away> Reverse Depends:
[04:23] <seth_k|away>   kdevelop3-dev
[04:23] <seth_k|away>   kdevelop3
[04:23] <seth_k|away>   kde-devel-extras
[04:23] <seth_k|away> install any of those packages to get kdbg
[04:23] <Stele> i didnt get kdbg with kdevelop3
[04:24] <Stele> at least in a form i can run from the commandline
[04:25] <Stele> rm -rf _root
[04:25] <Stele> oops
[04:25] <Stele> LOL
[04:26] <mrj> seth_k|away: please help
[04:29] <DeadZed> heh :)
[04:30] <Stele> i added that to bash.org
[04:31] <DeadZed> what did you add to bash.org?
[04:31] <Stele> that little exchange with _root
[04:31] <youssef> Hi all !
[04:31] <Stele> i thought it humurous
[04:31] <DeadZed> give us the link Stele
[04:31] <Stele> humorous even
[04:31] <Stele> still pending: http://www.bash.org/?590338
[04:32] <DeadZed> humurous is also a good adjective :)
[04:32] <Stele> heh
[04:33] <Stele> this is my favorite: http://www.bash.org/?244321
[04:34] <DeadZed> thats an old one
[04:34] <Stele> and a good one :)
[04:34] <mrj> does ANYONE know how can i install cyrillic fonts in kubuntu
[04:34] <mrj> ?
[04:34] <mrj> !cyrillic
[04:34] <ubotu> No idea, mrj
[04:34] <mrj> !fonts
[04:34] <ubotu> [fonts]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[04:35] <DeadZed> learn latin alphabet
[04:35] <DeadZed> and drop russian :)
[04:35] <Stele> mrj: run adept and type cyrillic into the search field
[04:35] <Stele> more fonts than you can shake a dick at
[04:35] <Stele> er, stick too
[04:35] <mrj> Stele: i am not using adept but apt-get
[04:35] <DeadZed> howcome there is adept instead kynaptic in Kubuntu
[04:35] <Stele> oh well blow it out your goat then
[04:35] <mrj> Stele: and i have installed a lots of fonts but they seems not to appear ?!?
[04:36] <Stele> no clue
[04:36] <mrj> :(
[04:36] <mrj> 2 days
[04:36] <Stele> <-- not a font expert
[04:36] <mrj> have i almost not slept...
[04:36] <mrj> Stele: what country are u from
[04:36] <Stele> maybe you did fall asleep
[04:36] <Stele> and you are dreaming that the fonts dont work?
[04:36] <mrj> :)
[04:36] <Stele> USA
[04:36] <mrj> what is kdbg ?
[04:36] <DeadZed> I just installed kubuntu today .. Howcome theyve made such strange choices ... like .. Konversation (not xchat),, adept (not kynaptic) .. kopete (not amsn) etc etc ..
[04:37] <Stele> kde debugger
[04:37] <mrj> has something to do with Bulgarian ?
[04:37] <mrj> aah
[04:37] <mrj> :)
[04:37] <mrj> i thought ....
[04:37] <mrj> :)
[04:37] <hmpedersen> can ne1 help me? Im attempting to customize my desktop atm..
[04:37] <nalioth> DeadZed: xchat is a gtk app, adept is the 'new' "up and coming" package mangler
[04:38] <nalioth> hmpedersen: ask a question
[04:38] <DeadZed> is adapt better than kynaptic?
[04:38] <Stele> i like adept
[04:38] <DeadZed> and konversation looks really poor compared to xchat
[04:38] <Stele> and if it's "up and coming", I'm all for it!
[04:38] <hmpedersen> nalioth, i cant figure out how to add Documents and Home folders to desktop.. and cant figure out how to get 2 panels either..
[04:38] <Stele> wow that sounded really gay
[04:38] <DeadZed> k, I'll go with those default apps then :)
[04:39] <DeadZed> Stele What sounded gay
[04:39] <Stele> my comment about up and coming
[04:39] <nalioth> hmpedersen: hmpedersen open konqueror as a small window (file manager konqueror)
[04:39] <Stele> i was lampooning myself
[04:39] <nalioth> y'all be civil, please
[04:39] <DeadZed> konversation feels really cumbersome and weird
[04:40] <hmpedersen> i got the 2 panels now, btw..
[04:40] <Stele> i wasnt insulting anyone - i was poking fun at my own comment
[04:40] <Stele> sorry
[04:40] <hmpedersen> Okay.. I have filemanager open..
[04:40] <DeadZed> how to get severlist in konversation
[04:40] <Stele> ie. MY comment sounded gay
[04:40] <Stele> sorry for the confusion
[04:40] <Stele> everyone back to your respective terminals
[04:41] <DeadZed> Stele .. are you sure you're not gay subcociously
[04:41] <Stele> pretty sure
[04:41] <nalioth> hmpedersen: no click and drag your home folder to your desktop, and click 'link here'
[04:41] <DeadZed> lets start kubuntu users gay club
[04:41] <nalioth> y'all take the personality queries to #kubuntu-offtopic please
[04:42] <DeadZed> I asked a concrete kubuntu question.. no-one answered :(
[04:42] <youssef> Is there anybody how know a good site with lots of "*.deb" for Kubuntu for example ?!
[04:42] <hmpedersen> thanx, nalioth
[04:42] <DeadZed> youssef: you know sources.list ??
[04:42] <youssef> no dont know
[04:42] <youssef> i m still fresh noob ^^!
[04:42] <nalioth> ubotu: tell youssef about repos
[04:43] <nalioth> youssef: read your PM, and enable universe and multiverse  repos
[04:43] <youssef> very thanks all
[04:43] <youssef> :) i love this tribu
[04:43] <DeadZed> youssef:  here's a google search for you http://www.google.com/search?hl=et&q=kubuntu+sources.list+deb&btnG=Otsi&lr=
[04:44] <DeadZed> heh .. not an english google link :)
[04:45] <youssef> no pb it s in english ;)
[04:46] <youssef> documentations are well done !
[04:46] <youssef> damn i gonna kick windows for ever :)
[04:47] <DeadZed> mouse gestures in konqueror is a nice improvement :)
[04:47] <nalioth> DeadZed: that's not wise. non k/ubuntu pkgs can wreck your install
[04:47] <youssef> firefox is better !
[04:48] <youssef> wreck = ?? ??
[04:48] <DeadZed> youssef:  yes, there is such an english word ... dictionary.com
[04:49] <youssef> ok i think it was a shortcut !
[04:49] <youssef> :)
[04:49] <youssef> i prefer reverso.com
[04:49] <youssef> it free ^ ^
[04:49] <DeadZed> Stele: how long have you been using kubuntu now
[04:50] <nalioth> youssef: using non official packages can cause big problems
[04:50] <DeadZed> what problems
[04:50] <nalioth> youssef: enable those repositories, update you apt, and you'll have over 16,000 pkgs to choose from
[04:50] <nalioth> DeadZed: failure to upgrade is one problem
[04:51] <DeadZed> you  mean dependencies?
[04:52] <Drakeson> there are only a few .deb's out of the repos worth installing, mostly non free stuff that cannot be in repos. almost all of your needs would be satisfied if you stay within repos
[04:52] <nalioth> DeadZed: yes. using non official pkgs can lock your box to the level of the oldest unresolvable upgrade
[04:52] <ilba7r> naliolth how can i compile packages that require gcc 3.3 on breezy. Can I just install gcc 3.3 and run it or would it cause problems by overwritting some libs?
[04:53] <nalioth> ilba7r: you can have as many gcc version onboard at a time as you like, with no problems at all
[04:53] <DeadZed> there is a package that enables compiling and has make gcc cpp and all that
[04:53] <nalioth> DeadZed: yes, but it doesnt install specific gcc versions, only 4.0
[04:53] <ilba7r> thanx nalioth and deadzed
[04:54] <nalioth> ilba7r: you do have "build-essential" installed, right?
[04:54] <ilba7r> sure nalitoth
[04:55] <ilba7r> it is just the header files or would it depend on the gcc ver i use?
[04:55] <nalioth> ilba7r: you've lost me. header files for what?
[04:55] <DeadZed> ilba7r: are you on kubuntu ?
[04:56] <ilba7r> would the build-essentail depend on the gcc compiler ver
[04:56] <nalioth> ilba7r: build-essential will install gcc 4.0
[04:56] <ilba7r> DeadZed I run kde gnome fluxbox openbox icewm and enlightenment on my ubuntu box
[04:56] <nalioth> ilba7r: you can install any other gcc versions you may require
[04:56] <ilba7r> ok thanx nalioth
[04:57] <DeadZed> ilba7r:  which one of those you like or use the most
[04:57] <ilba7r> enlightenment, just like apple os look of it
[04:57] <ilba7r> and i like DR16 more than the newer DR17
[05:01] <_william> does anyone has some info about hot to use banshee with kubuntu breezy?
[05:03] <_william> I have this when I try: DBus.DBusException: Unable to determine the address of the message bus
[05:05] <_goldbrick> Quick question: What is the URI format for a repository on the local harddrive?
[05:05] <_goldbrick> file:// ?
[05:07] <mrj_> PLEASE HELP
[05:07] <mrj_> could someone tell me about installing cyrillic fonts in kubuntu ???
[05:12] <_william> humm.. did no try it but maybe apt-get install xfonts-cronyx-isocyr-misc console-cyrillic xfonts-cronyx-isocyr-100dpi xfonts-cronyx-isocyr-75dpi xfonts-bolkhov-isocyr-misc xfonts-bolkhov-isocyr-75dpi can do the job.
[05:15] <kkathman> mrj_: if you can locate the font set, you should be able to use them...just upload them to your ~/.fonts directory
[05:15] <mrj_> kkathman:  :) thank you man
[05:16] <mrj_> but could i make that with some kind of packjage ?
[05:16] <mrj_> package*
[05:16] <kkathman> mrj_: for best results its probably better if they are TrueType I believe
[05:17] <mrj_> should i search in internet for truetype fonts ?
[05:17] <lucasvo> hi,
[05:17] <lucasvo> I have issues
[05:17] <lucasvo> with kubuntu dapper
[05:18] <nalioth> mrj_: you can use any TrueType font you like
[05:18] <kkathman> mrj_: probably a good thing to do
[05:18] <kkathman> lucasvo: dapper is basically development
[05:18] <_william> hey, see this package: ttf-uralic
[05:18] <kkathman> so you would probably have problems :)
[05:27] <mrj_> kkathman:  :) thanks man
[05:35] <andreas__> anyone know if the 3.5 kpdf bug will be fixed anytime soon?
[05:36] <hugelmopf> no idea
[05:37] <andreas__> it's annoying not to have a proper pdf reader
[05:38] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Just a little question, can I "take" some space from a partition, not deleting/cleaning the partiotion to install Kubuntu on it? On the Kubuntu-install, that is..
[05:38] <_mart> hey, i got a problem... i ran an update yesterday and somehow my .kde directory got screwed up so i dont have access to it.
[05:38] <hugelmopf> i know. as far as i understand, it seems to be a packaging bug, i don't think it will be there for too long ...
[05:39] <_mart> anyone know a way to fix it?
[05:39] <hugelmopf> _mart: and update would not touch anything in your home directory, so this must have been caused by something else. what is the problem exactly?
[05:39] <hugelmopf> ^^an update
[05:40] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Eh..
[05:40] <_mart> i cannot enter, read, or write to my .kde directory anymore (permission denied) as a result I cannot log in to kde with that user.
[05:41] <_mart> i tried chown -R username:username .kde but that didnt help
[05:41] <_mart> i chmod -R +r+w .kde and that didnt help either
[05:42] <Jaakilju_Worhan> My question in a more understandable way: If I want to make a partitions on the Kubuntu install, can I take the space out of one of my old partitions, not wiping the old partition? Going to have Windows + Kubuntu..
[05:42] <hugelmopf> _mart: "ls -al | grep .kde" ?
[05:43] <_mart> i'll try that....
[05:43] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Would appreciate if someone answered, and I wasn't forced to make partitions in windows.
[05:44] <hugelmopf> Jaakilju_Worhan: this seems to say that it is possible: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/forum/installation/Partitioning
[05:44] <hugelmopf> _mart: i just wanted to know the output of that
[05:44] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Ok, going to check that out, thank you! :-)
[05:44] <_mart> drw-r--r--  4 jordan jordan    4096  2005-11-30 14:42 /kde
[05:45] <hugelmopf> is this a slash ahead of kde?
[05:45] <_mart> typo :)
[05:45] <_mart> .kde
[05:45] <hugelmopf> it should be +x as well i believe: "chmod +x .kde"
[05:45] <hugelmopf> "chmod u+x .kde" i mean
[05:46] <_mart> we want to make it executable?
[05:46] <_mart> ok, thanks
[05:46] <hugelmopf> i am no expert in this, but i believe directories have to be "+x" to be "enterable"
[05:46] <_mart> ok.
[05:47] <Jaakilju_Worhan> By the way, does kubuntu work with just partition root(/)? Or do I need SWAP and such?
[05:47] <_mart> so i deffinatly wouldn't want to do a -R because that would then make all the files executable, right?/
[05:47] <hugelmopf> _mart: right
[05:47] <_mart> thanks
[05:47] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Hugel? :-)
[05:48] <hugelmopf> Jaakilju_Worhan: you are not forced to create a swap, but the installer will even strongly advice you.
[05:48] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Ok.
[05:48] <Jaakilju_Worhan> I will create Swap.
[05:48] <hugelmopf> Jaakilje: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwapFaq
[05:48] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Thanks for all the info, I'll install Kubuntu now. :-)
[05:49] <Jaakilju_Worhan> I hope I won't format my HDs and fuck up the install. ;-)
[05:49] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Bye!
[05:58] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Hehheh, I'm now going to ask the most newbiest question..  I got questions about kde3.5 libs
[06:01] <Jaakilju_Worhan> I'm doing this with Windows own burning software, I can't be arsed to install anything else cause I burn Cd's VERY seldom.
[06:01] <Jaakilju_Worhan> maybe a cd / year..
[06:01] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Stele
[06:01] <Stele> well you need a cd burning program that can burn images
[06:01] <youssef> How know well about optimization ?!
[06:01] <Stele> ISO images not picture images
[06:01] <hugelmopf> Jaakilju_Worhan: i'm sorry, but you cannot expect me to know anything about windows burning application ;-)
[06:01] <youssef> Who*
[06:02] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Should I have .disk / dists / doc / install etc in the CD when I open it with windows? : /
[06:02] <youssef> i got a Pentium4 and i m in 686 version kernel, that ok or it s not optimized ?
[06:02] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Haha
[06:03] <Jaakilju_Worhan> I thought I dl'ed Kubuntu.. :D Took Ubuntu.. But it should not be very different on the install and such?
[06:03] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Or the file Ubuntu-5.1-install-amd64.iso ?
[06:05] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Stele?
[06:05] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Should I have .disk / dists / doc / install etc in the CD when I open it with windows? Or the file Ubuntu-5.1-install-amd64.iso ?
[06:05] <Tm_T> Jaakilju_Worhan: the first one
[06:06] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Hmm..
[06:06] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Strange, I do have them that way.
[06:06] <Jaakilju_Worhan> And it just doesn't boot from there. Just runs Windows.
[06:06] <Tm_T> bios ;)
[06:06] <Jaakilju_Worhan> I have CD as the first drive to boot from.
[06:07] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Gah..
[06:07] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Anyone have any idea what I'm doing wrong? =P
[06:07] <hugelmopf> Jaakilju_Worhan: you'll have to find somebody who is experienced with windows' burning application. i am not ,sorry.
[06:08] <Jaakilju_Worhan> That should not be the problem.
[06:08] <Stele> you need a windows program that can burn an iso
[06:08] <Jaakilju_Worhan> I have it correctly burned, at least TmT thinks so
[06:09] <Jaakilju_Worhan> I'll post a picture so you guys understand..
[06:09] <Jaakilju_Worhan> A sec.
[06:09] <Stele> i gotta run
[06:09] <Stele> if you cd doesnt boot than you havent burned the image properly
[06:10] <Jaakilju_Worhan> http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/975/ubuntucd1kf.jpg
[06:10] <Jaakilju_Worhan> There
[06:11] <Jaakilju_Worhan> So should it be burned like that?
[06:11] <ninnghizidha> ... where can i get the development-files for kde3.5... ? *confused*
[06:11] <Stele> no
[06:11] <Stele> well, maybe
[06:11] <Stele> i dont know what the contents should look like
[06:11] <Stele> but I used Nero to burn my iso
[06:11] <Stele> gotta go
[06:11] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Well, that's what the .iso had in.
[06:12] <Jaakilju_Worhan> I took them out with Winrar and burned them on the Cd.
[06:12] <eXistenZ> Jaakilju_Worhan, shouldn't do that with winrar
[06:12] <SAngel> Hi, I am not in kununtu as of now but I have been unable to extend apt database to allow me to show more applications to install.
[06:12] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Why not?
[06:12] <eXistenZ> Jaakilju_Worhan, it'll be become unbootablwe
[06:12] <eXistenZ> *unbootable
[06:12] <SAngel> I run kunntu.
[06:12] <Jaakilju_Worhan> So
[06:12] <hugelmopf> Jaakilju_Worhan: Last time, you have to use a program that can burn the ISO, not only the contents of the CD. search on the web for information how to do that.
[06:13] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Ok.
[06:13] <Jaakilju_Worhan> I'll use Nero or something.
[06:13] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Thanks.
[06:13] <hugelmopf> ^^ not only the contents of the ISO, that is
[06:13] <SAngel> Is there a way to understand step by step how to enable kubuntu to display more applications? i do not have firefox nor xchat
[06:13] <eXistenZ> Jaakilju_Worhan, go for alcohol
[06:13] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Ok
[06:13] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Though I had it.
[06:13] <eXistenZ> Jaakilju_Worhan, OKie, have a nice day!
[06:13] <hugelmopf> Jaakilju_Worhan: besides that... you might be better off using the i386 CD instead of AMD64
[06:13] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Gotta crack it / something, never registered it.
[06:13] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Why?
[06:14] <hugelmopf> Jaakilju_Worhan: Some things are still more difficult on AMD64 than on i386, and you sound like you want something that works more easily ;-)
[06:14] <Jaakilju_Worhan> ;-)
[06:15] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Can't be arsed to download it again. : \
[06:15] <Jaakilju_Worhan> So I'll just try with the AMD64.
[06:15] <hugelmopf> Ok.
[06:16] <hugelmopf> Jaakilju_Worhan: some drivers and programs just don't work on AMD64 yet.
[06:16] <SAngel> Is there a way to understand step by step how to enable kubuntu to display more applications to install? i do not have firefox nor xcha
[06:16] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Hugel
[06:16] <hugelmopf> SAngel: have you installed them with the package manager (Adept)?
[06:17] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Is it just few apps or like 40% of them?
[06:17] <SAngel> hugelmopf, what is (have you installed them) referring to? With Adept, I do not get in the listing mozilla-firefox, or xchat
[06:17] <hugelmopf> Jaakilju_Worhan: well, ubuntu is doing a good job integrating the most important ones as i386 packages (e.g. OpenOffice2)
[06:18] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Ok.
[06:18] <Jaakilju_Worhan> But I'll try AMD64 and switch if I can't handle it. ;)
[06:20] <SAngel> hugelmopf, how come I do not get mozilla in the Adept list?
[06:21] <lordpatman> hi
[06:21] <hugelmopf> Jaakilju_Worhan: i believe flash-plugin might not work under amd64
[06:21] <_mart> is there a way to do a recursive chmod for directories only?
[06:22] <Jaakilju_Worhan> So can't use Flashes in AMD64? =P
[06:22] <hugelmopf> SAngel: Have you added any additional repositories? it might not be on the install-cd.
[06:23] <hugelmopf> Jaakilju_Worhan: no, not unless there is a i386 version installed as well (which is difficult and i don't know if ubuntu does it by default)
[06:24] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Ok.
[06:24] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Well that isn't a that big problem.
[06:24] <Jaakilju_Worhan> I'll now burn the image again.
[06:24] <SAngel> hugelmopf, this is what I did not understand so far. Please could you explain just so I understand and also how to find out which repository I have to look for?
[06:25] <Jaakilju_Worhan> With alcohol
[06:25] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Found a crack.
[06:25] <_mart> hugelmopf, thanks for your help earilier. I think chmod u+x is fixing my problem, but is there a way to do a chmod -R that will only affect directories?
[06:26] <_mart> SAngel mozilla should be in the breezy release repository
[06:27] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Hugel, but are they fixing those things to work in AMD64 or something? :-P
[06:27] <_mart> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list and make sure there's not a # on the breezy release line
[06:28] <hugelmopf> SAngel: have you looked around the Wiki (http://wiki.ubuntu.com)? it is answering a lot of questions, especially about repositories.
[06:29] <hugelmopf> Jaakilju_Worhan: the flash plugin is not open source, so macromedia would have to fix it. if you want to use anything that is not open source, i recommend you to use the i386 installer. period.
[06:29] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Ok.
[06:29] <coolio10> why wont kubuntu let me put the firefox install into opt?
[06:29] <coolio10> i need to put it in opt to install
[06:29] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Now I'm off to installing.
[06:29] <Jaakilju_Worhan> Thanks!
[06:30] <wimpies> hi guys, I read somewhere there exist wrappers for skype to work with artsd ? Confirmations ?
[06:31] <hugelmopf> _mart: i don't know the command right now. is this a fresh install? or have you already used and customized KDE for this user?
[06:31] <Riddell> wimpies: artsdsp skype ?
[06:32] <wimpies> it segfaults but I just fond artsdsp -m skype ...
[06:32] <wimpies> no, segfaults too
[06:33] <andreas__> seems to work here :o
[06:33] <wimpies> andreas__ : skype ?
[06:34] <SAngel> hugelmopf I read the wiki page. I applied the changes, but when i refresh I still get the same applications. It is like I add more repositories and still have the same database
[06:35] <hugelmopf> SAngel: which program are you looking for, that you don't find? firefox?
[06:36] <hugelmopf> SAngel: do you have all "state filters" and "easy-tag-filters" turned on?
[06:37] <SAngel> I know that I have all flags turned off, and I browse manyally the entire tree of applications and all I get is about 980 applications installed out of 1200 (more and less) and do not see firefox or xchat.
[06:37] <seth_k|away> mrj_, hi
[06:37] <hugelmopf> SAngel: by "refresh" you mean fetch updates, right?
[06:38] <SAngel> hugelmopf, also, for being easier to me, could you please post your /etc/apt/sources.list so I can see it?
[06:38] <SAngel> hugelmopf, yes
[06:41] <hugelmopf> SAngel: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/463949
[06:41] <_root> hi
[06:41] <_root> this is coolio10
[06:41] <_root> can anyone help me install firefox 1.5?
[06:42] <_root> and for some reason my storage media has no files or folders shown?
[06:42] <hugelmopf> SAngel: if you are in another country, you might want to substitute the local mirrors
[06:42] <nalioth> _root: there is a wiki.ubuntu.com article on firefox 1.5
[06:42] <nalioth> _root: idk the link, tho
[06:44] <SAngel> hugelmopf, thank you this was important. I will later on boot on kbuntu and apply what needs to be changed
[06:44] <SAngel> nalioth, thanks
[06:44] <nalioth> !firefox15
[06:44] <ubotu> it has been said that firefox15 is see the wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion for information on how to install Firefox 1.5 from mozilla.org
[06:44] <nalioth> bingo.
[06:45] <_root> i tried following it but im complete noob so couldnt do it
[06:47] <ninnghizidha> do anyone know what package is needed for kdecorations.h?
[06:47] <_root> and i dont get the opt thing
[06:47] <nalioth> ninnghizidha: if you install, set up and use apt-file, you can find any files you like
[06:48] <_root> i put firefox installer in opt directory and ran the command but said no such file or directory
[06:48] <ninnghizidha> oh, sounds like a valuable hint .. let me try :-)
[06:48] <nalioth> you have to run ./file   root
[06:48] <nalioth> _root: also you need to make sure the file is marked executable
[06:51] <PupenoL> I have created a kernel module package with module-assistant (zaptel-module), my problem is that it ends on /lib/modules/2.6.12 instead of /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-686/, any ideas ?
[06:51] <hugelmopf> PupenoL: seems like a bug in the package. copy it to the correct directory and run "depmod -a"
[06:52] <hugelmopf> (it = the zaptel.ko or whatever it is called)
[06:52] <PupenoL> hugelmopf: I know how to place the modules by hand, I want to fix my package.
[06:56] <hugelmopf> PupenoL: sounds like this is referring to your problem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=284772;archive=yes -- but it should have been fixed?
[06:57] <hugelmopf> good luck fixing it, i'm off...
[07:06] <_root> im back
[07:07] <_root> nalioth can you help me setup firefox?
[07:07] <nalioth> _root: the wiki page didnt help you?
[07:07] <_root> nope im not smart enough
[07:07] <_root> dont know how to do it so i need steps
[07:08] <Tm_T> I see root... :(
[07:08] <nalioth> Tm_T: ROOT?
[07:08] <_root> also nalioth how do you know so much about kubuntu? People were trying to help me fix my res and they couldnt do it then you came along straight away and fixed my problem
[07:09] <Tm_T> nalioth: 20:06 -!- _root [n=root@C
[07:09] <Tm_T> ;)
[07:09] <nalioth> _root: i dont know anything about kubuntu. just linux in general
[07:09] <nalioth> Tm_T: oh! THAT root
[07:09] <_root> oh
[07:10] <Tm_T> _root: what is your res problem?
[07:10] <Tm_T> lemme guess, xorg.conf isn't set correctly
[07:10] <_nano_> where are the icons for applications usually located? (applications installed through apt-get)
[07:11] <_root> nalioth already solved it
[07:11] <nalioth> _nano_: /usr/share/icons or /usr/share/pixmaps   iirc
[07:11] <_nano_> nanlioth, thanks
[07:12] <Tm_T> aye
[07:12] <Tm_T>  /usr/share is always good place to start searching ;)
[07:12] <nalioth> _root: the wiki page on firefox15 seems quite well explained to me
[07:12] <Tm_T> hmm, time to upgrade irssi ->
[07:13] <Tm_T> errrh
[07:13] <_root> nalioth do i download the firefox installer to my opt directory and do the command?
[07:14] <nalioth> _root: follow the directions a step at a time.
[07:14] <_root>  i did i dont get...........
[07:14] <_root> and change to the directory you downloaded it to.
[07:14] <Tm_T> nalioth: yu sir :)
[07:14] <Tm_T> uff, nice mess in irssi after /upgrade
[07:15] <_root> do i enter the exact command after that sentence it mentions?
[07:16] <_root> so far all i have is firefox-1.5.tar.gz on my desktop and stuck there
[07:17] <_nano_> nalioth, wow thanks! Most of the icons are in the pixmaps folder
[07:17] <neighborlee> does it matter if I install kubuntu via synatpic or direct from  CD ??
[07:18] <_root> it will just have gnome and kde
[07:18] <nalioth> neighborlee: doesnt matter at all
[07:18] <neighborlee> ok thx
[07:18] <neighborlee> both of you ;-0-
[07:18] <_root> from login manager choose session tope
[07:22] <_root> think i installed firefox now but how do i run iT?
[07:23] <_root> tried typing firefox but nothing happened
[07:23] <nalioth> _root: if you've followed the instructions, it should be in your menu
[07:25] <goldbrick> Hey, is there a tutorial on how to get Adept to work with a local repository ?
[07:27] <_root> thanks i got it working
[07:29] <_root> why is my storage media folder got no icons in it?
[07:29] <nalioth> cuz you have nothing in the media folder, perhaps, _root ?
[07:29] <_root> its telling me it has no files?
[07:29] <_root> it should atleast have hda2
[07:30] <nalioth> could be many things.
[07:30] <_root> if i go to properties then calculate it detects the files still
[07:31] <Kibou> someone said it's a bug.. together with the device icons not showing up on the desktop
[07:31] <_root> do you know how to fix?
[07:32] <Kibou> no.. maybe kde 3.5 fixes this.
[07:37] <mwe> does anyone know how to change the default font size in wine? it's tiny.
[07:38] <PupenoL> what virtualization/emulation do you recommend to run Debian inside Kubuntu ?
[07:40] <nalioth> !qemu
[07:40] <ubotu> well, qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo or http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=200357&postcount=1
[07:40] <neighborlee> is kubuntu going to addopt the same end-user friendly automount/umount features in dapper ? (I presume it would but I want to verify )
[07:42] <_root> does anyone know when kde 3.5 will be in kubuntu via adept or adept updater?
[07:42] <nalioth> _root: visit kubuntu.org for your answer
[07:42] <PaloDeQueso> I tried ripping two different dvds but both times the audio was out of sync, I used acidrip.
[07:47] <goldbrick> _root: I just installed KDE 3.5 via Adept today
[07:51] <_root> is it just the package kde?
[07:51] <nalioth> _root: did you visit kubuntu.org and read about how to get 3.5?
[07:51] <_root> yes
[07:51] <_root> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[07:52] <nalioth> _root: then once you do what it says, all you'll need to do is update
[07:58] <_root> right now im getting it off adept is that right?
[07:58] <_root> i didnt see any downloads on the website
[07:59] <nalioth> _root: did you add to your sources.list and d/l and install a key as the site suggested?
[07:59] <_root> yes do i do adept next?
[08:00] <nalioth> _root: update your adept, and a dist-upgrade should bring you 3.5
[08:01] <_root> i added deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main does that sound right? Then i press fetch updates in adept?
[08:03] <nalioth> _root: yup, sounds good
[08:06] <_root> just downloaded the keys
[08:07] <_root> and then i press full upgrade?
[08:07] <_root> tried installing package kde but said some error so should i press full upgrade?
[08:08] <nalioth> _root: yes, full upgrade
[08:09] <_rootk> thanks
[08:09] <_rootk> nalioth are you with kubuntu staff in any way?
[08:10] <nalioth> _rootk: nope. just a volunteer
[08:10] <_root> oh you should be because you know so much about kubuntu
[08:10] <_root> and your always active
[08:10] <nalioth> well, unless i'm asleep, lol
[08:10] <_root> lol
[08:11] <_root> oh well g2g
[08:11] <_root> bye
[08:13] <_nano_> nalioth, how do I launch mplayer from command line?
[08:14] <nalioth> _nano_: mplayer /path/to/file
[08:14] <_nano_> nalioth, but if I don't have anything to play, just the app then?
[08:14] <nalioth> _nano_: then just mplayer or gmplayer (you don't have mplayer on the menu?)
[08:15] <_nano_> nalioth, actually i do, but you see i was adding a launcher in my xfce panel and simply putting "mplayer" launches nothing :(
[08:16] <_nano_> nalioth, using just "gmplayer" only partially loads the app
[08:16] <timmy334> neither the breezy from Ubuntu or Kubuntu will start Xorg on a clean install. Apparently it is the Xorg version because Xorg in Dapper for both works just fine
[08:17] <nalioth> !mplayer
[08:17] <ubotu> hmm... mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[08:18] <timmy334> I tried installing them on my laptop(HP Pavilion zd8000) and I can't get the Xorg to start. It's the same errors for both. Caught Signal 4. Says something about not loading GLcore something or other and a couple other things
[08:19] <JDahl> timmy334: have you tried using VESA in xorg?
[08:19] <timmy334> yeah, it will only give me a 1024x768 and my display is 1440x900
[08:21] <JDahl> timmy334: look through /var/log/Xorg.0.log and find lines with "EE". That should tell you more about what's wrong
[08:21] <Stele> what is the command to list the so's a binary is linked against?
[08:21] <timmy334> Does anybody know why I can edit /etc/networks/interfaces the same way for breezy and dapper and everything being the same that I am simply not getting dapper in Kubuntu only to not start my wireless? it starts fine in dapper Ubuntu, just not dapper Kubuntu
[08:23] <Knowerrors> Hey all, anybody here use mencoder?
[08:24] <Sime> quick Q: is anyone using nvidia's video drivers here? (and the agp support from nvidia?)
[08:24] <Stele> yeah
[08:25] <Riddell> a volunteer!
[08:25] <Stele> Sime: yeah
[08:25] <Sime> Stele: are you using the agp kernel module from nvidia? of the default linux one?
[08:26] <Stele> i have PCIE
[08:26] <Stele> so i dont know
[08:26] <Sime> :-)
[08:26] <Stele> i just ran the nv installer and did what it told me
[08:27] <Sime> ok
[08:31] <AlexNG> hey folks, I've recently installed Kubuntu onto my home computer, ensuring a dual booty with Windoze, however my sound which is a 5.1 surround setup no workie, any ideas are appriected, thanks =)
[08:32] <andreas__> booty, workie
[08:33] <AlexNG> dual boot | doesn't work
[08:43] <twetty> hi
[08:43] <twetty> what is the portal the create a localized source.list ?
[08:43] <twetty> i remember it was holland
[08:43] <ClayG> !sources
[08:43] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:44] <twetty> thx :)
[08:44] <ClayG> np
[08:44] <twetty> aaah, !sources, ok
[08:46] <purplefeltangel> kstars is being weird; can someone help me?
[08:46] <purplefeltangel> sorry, can someone help me with kstars?
[08:51] <Riddell> anyone having kpdf problems on breezy with KDE 3.5?
[08:52] <JDahl> Riddell: I had constant crashes with KDE3.5 on Ubuntu. For Kubuntu with 3.5, it works fine
[08:53] <JDahl> on amd64
[08:54] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: not that I've noticed.
[08:54] <twetty> another question
[08:54] <twetty> there is the new kernel 2.6.14 ready to be apt-get installed ?
[08:57] <andreas__> apt-cache search linux-image
[08:58] <andreas__> reveals no
[08:58] <nalioth> andreas__: try kernel-image
[09:07] <mrj> cd ~/.mozilla/firefox/*
[09:07] <mrj> hi
[09:07] <mrj> what means that ?
[09:07] <mrj> with ~ in front?
[09:07] <mrj> hugelmopf:  ?
[09:07] <hugelmopf> yes?
[09:08] <mrj> hugelmopf: Hi i have a Problem
[09:08] <mrj> ich kann nicht zu recht komme mit den scheissen Fonts man
[09:08] <mrj> hugelmopf:  what does that mean cd ~/.mozilla/firefox/*
[09:08] <mrj> what is the difference with cd /.mozilla/firefox/*
[09:08] <mrj> ok forget about "cd"
[09:09] <mrj> just  ~/.mozilla/firefox/*
[09:09] <hugelmopf> mrj: the ~ is your home directory
[09:09] <mrj> ach soo
[09:09] <mrj> :)
[09:09] <mrj> so dumm bin ich aber echt
[09:09] <mrj> hugelmopf: could you help me
[09:09] <mrj> with fonts
[09:09] <mrj> how could i install fonts on kubuntu ?
[09:09] <mrj> are there some package ?
[09:10] <hugelmopf> mrj: you are talking about cyrillic fonts?
[09:10] <mrj> :)
[09:10] <mrj> yep
[09:10] <mrj> hugelmopf:  yes
[09:11] <hugelmopf> mrj: i do not have any experience with that, i'm sorry. i would have expected that there are packages for that, but i guess you have already looked for them.
[09:11] <mrj> yes i already looked for them
[09:11] <mrj> the strange thing is that when i used  Mandkrake a long ago it was pretty easy to do tahat
[09:12] <mrj> i've just haved to install xfonts-cyrillic
[09:12] <mrj> and all worked fine
[09:12] <hugelmopf> mrj: "sudo apt-get install t1-cyrillic" for example?
[09:12] <nalioth> mrj: any TrueType font you like can go into ~/.fonts
[09:12] <mrj> but where i take tt fonts
[09:13] <hugelmopf> mrj: have you already installed this package^^?
[09:13] <mrj> i install it now
[09:13] <mrj> i am installing it now
[09:15] <mrj> i have done that
[09:15] <mrj> with xfontsel i have seen that i have one new font : uralic
[09:15] <mrj> but should i restart my Xorg server ?
[09:16] <hugelmopf> which application do you want to use the font in? does it not appear in there yet?
[09:16] <mrj> xmms does not sees the new fonts
[09:16] <mrj> xmms, mplayer
[09:16] <mrj> i beleave i have just not a support for cyrillic fonts
[09:17] <mrj> is taht possible
[09:17] <mrj> but in firefox all works fine
[09:17] <hugelmopf> i dont know if xmms, mplayer have support for cyrillic fonts. have you googled? if in doubt, restart your X.
[09:17] <mrj> i can see a cyrillic web pages
[09:17] <mrj> i reboot
[09:17] <mrj> brb
[09:18] <andreas_> nalioth, kernel-image?
[09:18] <andreas_> didn't they stop using that quite some time ago
[09:20] <mrj> hugelmopf: it is strange - when i start xmms and select uralic font - first it shows the correct song title and then when i play the song it shows nonsence
[09:20] <hugelmopf> andreas_: yes, they did (it's linux-image now), but what are you talking about?
[09:21] <mrj> hugelmopf: i mean - when xmms loads the playlist it first appears normal with cyrillic letters
[09:21] <andreas_> hugelmopf, a discussion that took place some time ago now
[09:21] <mrj> something is very wrong here
[09:21] <andreas_> someone asked if 2.16.14 was available, I asked them to search for linux-image, and nalioth suggested kernel-image instead
[09:21] <_osh_> Is upgrading to 3.5 safe?
[09:21] <hugelmopf> mrj: sorry, but i cannot help you there. you have to google or find somebody else who knows about this.
[09:22] <hugelmopf> andreas_: i see, thought you were in need of help. of course you are right.
[09:22] <andreas_> _osh_, I upgraded to 3.5 and it's slow, so I had to change to xgce
[09:22] <andreas_> xfce*
[09:22] <andreas_> might work fine for you though
[09:22] <nalioth> andreas_: 2.6.14 is in dapper, iirc
[09:23] <_osh_> andreas_: I'll try. What could possibly go wrong... ;-)
[09:24] <hugelmopf> _osh_: kpdf has serious problems
[09:24] <hugelmopf> ah... too late
[09:29] <hugelmopf> hey... i finally figured out the tab completion for nicknames :-)
[09:30] <Kibou> 3.5 is slow?
[09:30] <andreas_> Kibou, for me it's very slow
[09:31] <Kibou> hm..
[09:31] <Kibou> I will definately wait for 3.5.1.. I guess
[09:31] <hugelmopf> Kibou: it's fine for me, except for a few minor bugs and kpdf not working.
[09:32] <andreas_> it might have to do with my settings; I show only tasks in the taskbar for the current desktop, and I have style set to "elegant" on the taskbar
[09:32] <andreas_> this lags tremendously when switching between desktops
[09:33] <Kibou> how about that "device icons not showing up on the desktop - bug"  from 3.4.3?
[09:33] <Kibou> is that fixed?
[09:33] <andreas_> that was never a problem for me
[09:33] <andreas_> what kind of devices?
[09:33] <Kibou> like mounted dvds
[09:33] <Kibou> doesn't work here
[09:34] <Stele> a moose mounted my sister once
[09:34] <Kibou> or missing entries in media:/
[09:34] <hugelmopf> andreas_: i have it set to elegant, and also only for the current desktop. switching between desktops works fine here.
[09:35] <hugelmopf> Kibou: it works here in 3.5.
[09:36] <Kibou> good
[09:40] <hussam> hugelmopf: kpdf's not working in kde3.5?
[09:42] <hugelmopf> hussam: not in the latest update, no.
[09:43] <darkheart> Is it normal to see /usr/bin/ivman -s --nofork process running multiple times?
[09:44] <hugelmopf> darkheart: i have uninstalled ivman, maybe that is why devices and mounting works for me ;-)
[09:45] <Voodoo_Vibe> Hi everyone!
[09:45] <Kibou> ivman was annoying.. yea
[09:45] <darkheart> hugelmopf: Is there any use for it?
[09:45] <hugelmopf> darkheart: i honestly don't know, but it seemed to me, like it interferes negatively. try it out...
[09:46] <darkheart> Basically, KDE freezes on me sometimes..Not very often, but I know it has happened when I tried to switch users, then start a new session, then go back to the original session.
[09:46] <darkheart> So I'm trying to figure out why
[09:46] <darkheart> hugelmopf: I will remove it and see what happens.
[09:46] <Voodoo_Vibe> does anyone know how i can get sound in VLC??
[09:47] <darkheart> Basically ivman is for automounting?
[09:47] <Vincent> what is the kubuntu equivalent of dans kubuntu, o trouve t on l'quivalent System / Preferences / Sessions ?
[09:47] <Vincent> sorry, once again
[09:48] <Vincent> what is the kubuntu equivalent of System / Preferences / Sessions ?
[09:48] <hugelmopf> Vincent: what does that do?
[09:48] <Voodoo_Vibe> can someone help me with sound in VLC??
[09:49] <Vincent> it let you select the programms that run at login, with a priority
[09:49] <darkheart> Vincent: System Settings -> System Services
[09:49] <hugelmopf> Vincent: in KDE, everything in ~/.kde/Autostart will get started on login
[09:50] <hugelmopf> (link to any executable in there and it will get executed, or create a script in there=
[09:50] <djk_> does someone here use dosbox?
[09:50] <adrianoc> help-me please Kopete not have sound.
[09:50] <Voodoo_Vibe> i cant get any sound in vlc and i go to preferences and then output modules. and there is Linux OSS audio output..... but i run alsa.. and i can choose directory.. but what directory is for alsa sound??
[09:51] <hugelmopf> darkheart, Vincent: "System Services" is about what is run on booting, and not login.
[09:51] <darkheart> oops
[09:52] <tb77> Voodoo_Vibe: do you have the alsa plugin installed?
[09:52] <Vincent> I used GNOME, and the configuration I made there still work with KDE
[09:52] <Voodoo_Vibe> tb77: alsa plugin for vlc?? no
[09:52] <Vincent> but there is nothing in Autostart
[09:52] <vblanton> anyone able to us kpdf in KDE 3.5?
[09:53] <hugelmopf> vblanton: no, it is a known bug in the latest update.
[09:53] <Vincent> vblanton: how did you manage to get KDE 3.5 ??
[09:53] <darkheart> hugelmopf: ivman is for automounting filesystems and volume management?
[09:53] <vblanton> hugelmopf: ok
[09:53] <tb77> Voodoo_Vibe: i use kaffeine but try installing vlc-plugin-alsa
[09:53] <hugelmopf> darkheart: yes, at least also.
[09:53] <Vincent> I still have 3.4.3
[09:53] <vblanton> Vincent: enabled universe and added KDE 35 repos. then upgrade!
[09:54] <vblanton> hugelmopf: is it a kde problem or kubuntu?
[09:54] <hugelmopf> Vincent: there are inofficial packages, but as you can hear here and there, they have some small bugs left.
[09:54] <hugelmopf> vblanton: as far as i know kubuntu packaging.
[09:54] <darkheart> hugelmopf: Does your system still automount after you removed ivman?
[09:55] <hugelmopf> darkheart: yes
[09:55] <Vincent> hugelmopf: ok
[09:55] <vblanton> Vincent: right. the only problem I have is not being able to use kpdf, but i think it's worth it for all the other improvements
[09:55] <vblanton> Vincent: especially kdepim (kmail and such)
[09:55] <Voodoo_Vibe> tb77: Thanx that worked!!
[09:55] <darkheart> hugelmopf: Thanks. I'll try removing it then. Do you know if it's normal that there are multiple gpg-agent processes running?
[09:55] <hugelmopf> vblanton, Vincent: i like them too. i am just cautious to recommend them to somebody, who expects everything perfect.
[09:56] <vblanton> Vincent, hugelmopf: right. if you want everything to stay smooth, it might be better NOT to upgrade just yet
[09:56] <vblanton> hugelmopf: oh yes, and the automounting is screwy. it opens all possible options at once...
[09:56] <Vincent> can you quote your related source.list ?
[09:56] <vblanton> hugelmopf: is that a known bug?
[09:56] <hugelmopf> darkheart: i don't have gpg-agent running yet (shame on me, i know) ;-)
[09:57] <darkheart> hugelmopf: LoL, well, that can't be as bad as having multiple gpg-agents running and not know why haha...I don't remember setting it up.
[09:57] <hugelmopf> vblanton: it works perfectly for me. i removed ivman, don't know, if that is recommended, or even necessary though.
[09:57] <hugelmopf> Vincent: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main
[09:58] <vblanton> hugelmopf: why did you remove ivman?
[09:58] <vblanton> hugelmopf: seems to be important..
[09:58] <hugelmopf> vblanton: because i did not know, what it is doing, and everything worked fine afterwards ;-P
[09:59] <hugelmopf> but as i said: this might not be recommended. but you can always reinstall it later...
[09:59] <Kibou> it automounts and then autostarts an application dependant on what it mounts
[10:00] <Kibou> i.e. you load a cd it mounts it and starts konqueror
[10:02] <hugelmopf> Kibou: but it seems to interfere with something else, at least in KDE 3.5 this also works without ivman
[10:04] <hugelmopf> Kibou: i am not sure about 3.4...? it probably won't pop up anything, but the devices should appear on the desktop.
[10:05] <slicslak> is there a package for gkrellm skins?
[10:06] <djk_> vblanton: ivman isn't important iirc
[10:06] <hugelmopf> errrr... ok, i take back part of that.
[10:07] <hugelmopf> it does not seem to mount automatically.
[10:07] <hugelmopf> maybe that was ivman's job?
[10:07] <djk_> !ivman
[10:07] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ivman is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IvmanConfigAction.xml
[10:07] <Kibou> yes
[10:08] <hugelmopf> Kibou: is is part of KDE?
[10:09] <Kibou> don't know..
[10:11] <_osh_> To get the new firefox you need the universe/mulitiverse/packports or something?
[10:11] <hugelmopf> in KDE 3.5, recognizing the devices (including desktop-icons and action-popup) works for me without ivman
[10:12] <pwolfe> RE: KDE 3.5 Kubuntu 5.10 - Can anyone think of a reason why my selection box would be slow?  I mean to say, when I left click and drag to select multiple files, its very laggy and slow.  It doesnt correspond to how fast im actually moving the mouse
[10:12] <pwolfe> and when I left click and drag to form the area of selection, my proc usage jumps to 100%
[10:13] <hugelmopf> but it does not realize that they are mounted, as soon as they are. trying to mount them again, it gives an error message.
[10:13] <chrisp> is there a shortcut that i can use to get out of kdm to the console?
[10:14] <hugelmopf> chrisp: Ctrl-Alt-F1
[10:14] <Kibou> hm
[10:15] <hugelmopf> this happens with _and_ without ivman though.
[10:15] <chrisp> hugelmopf: ty
[10:16] <Voodoo_Vibe> anyone have any idea why i dont get any sound on Americas Army??
[10:20] <vblanton> anyone know how to get a thesaurus working in OpenOffice2?
[10:20] <vblanton> Voodoo_Vibe: did you use any program that used the Arts backend within the last 60 seconds?
[10:21] <vblanton> Voodoo_Vibe: Like Amarok, Kaffeine?
[10:21] <vblanton> Voodoo_Vibe: or gstreamer, for that matter
[10:21] <Voodoo_Vibe> vblanton: ??? im new at linux... didnt understand a word of that :)
[10:21] <Voodoo_Vibe> vblanton: ive played in xmms
[10:21] <vblanton> Voodoo_Vibe: oh, sorry. Did you use amarok or kaffeine in the last 1min before running the game?
[10:22] <vblanton> Voodoo_Vibe: ok. wait a min without using any sound and see if it *automagically* has sound again.
[10:22] <Voodoo_Vibe> vblanton: just xmms
[10:22] <vblanton> Voodoo_Vibe: you'll have to restart AA
[10:23] <Voodoo_Vibe> vblanton ok i will try again now then... Thanx
[10:23] <vblanton> np
[10:23] <pwolfe> an easy way to find out is to open a console and run pgep arts, if it responds arts and then some number, thats probably preventing the sound in game from working
[10:23] <pwolfe> *pgrep
[10:23] <vblanton> I playing music in amarok and it just lists two numbers but no "arts"
[10:23] <Voodoo_Vibe> vblanton: yepp now i had sound!! thanx!
[10:24] <vblanton> Voodoo_Vibe: great ;) what sound card are you using?
[10:24] <neighborlee> oh my did you guys see the linus flame about gnome ?lol
[10:24] <neighborlee> woah nellie
[10:24] <vblanton> neighborlee: I know. I don't think it's linux though. It's probably a imposter
[10:24] <neighborlee> I didn't know he could talk like that <wink>
[10:24] <neighborlee> LOL
[10:24] <vblanton> neighborlee: i mean, linus, not linux
[10:24] <hugelmopf> !firefox15
[10:24] <ubotu> hmm... firefox15 is see the wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion for information on how to install Firefox 1.5 from mozilla.org
[10:24] <neighborlee> I hear he is sometimes 'opinionated'..so its prob. him <wink>
[10:25] <Voodoo_Vibe> vblanton: its an onboard via using AC97... :(
[10:25] <neighborlee> vblanton, heh yes
[10:25] <Kibou> he made some valid points though..
[10:25] <hugelmopf> that was for you _osh_
[10:25] <neighborlee> Kibou, definitely..
[10:25] <vblanton> neighborlee: its pretty damn rash, but the gnome developers seem to take it seriously
[10:25] <neighborlee> LOL
[10:25] <vblanton> Voodoo_Vibe: that's the base of the problem. Either get a better sound card with hardware mixing, or just wait a minute each time :)
[10:25] <_osh_> hugelmopf: thanks.
[10:25] <neighborlee> vblanton, im not sure they take much seriously these days..that or the wrong things ;00
[10:26] <neighborlee> vblanton, im been a staunch long-term gnome supporter but im tempted to go along with linus on this one
[10:26] <Voodoo_Vibe> vblanton: yeah ive ordered a new souncard.
[10:26] <vblanton> neighborlee: I don't agree with bashing gnome. I think it's a great DUI for some people, but not for me.
[10:26] <vblanton> Voodoo_Vibe: what card?
[10:27] <neighborlee> vblanton, I think he's angry at the nerve of developers to take a stance that goes against the grain of logic for end users..the users they are supposedly trying to gain ;-)..go fig
[10:27] <Voodoo_Vibe> vblanton: Creative SB Audigy 4 PCI, 7.1,EAX4.0,Dolby Digital EX
[10:27] <neighborlee> but yeah he got a tad...excited didn't he <G>
[10:27] <vblanton> neighborlee: he did call them nazi's!!
[10:27] <neighborlee> vblanton, oops I must have missed that..OUCH
[10:27] <mike-e> can i install xfce on kubuntu?
[10:27] <hugelmopf> vblanton: can one run AA through artsdsp probably?
[10:27] <vblanton> There is no real proff it is him thuogh
[10:27] <Voodoo_Vibe> interface nazis
[10:28] <pwolfe> yes you can mike
[10:28] <neighborlee> vblanton, woah
[10:28] <neighborlee> vblanton, I think it is..the guy makes alot of sense..although the expletives are a tad surpising for linus ? <G>
[10:28] <vblanton> neighborlee: he responded again with a longer post after the initial slashdotted one
[10:28] <hugelmopf> Voodoo_Vibe: if you don't want to wait 1min everytime, you can try to run AA through the command "artsdsp americas-army" where the second part is whatever the executable is called
[10:28] <neighborlee> vblanton, hm
[10:28] <vblanton> Well, it did make a bit of a stirr
[10:29] <neighborlee> indeed
[10:29] <_osh_> Talking about Linus attack on gnome? I can't say that blame him. He sort of put words on what I feel when I use gnome.Some things are very good but some other just bugs the hell out of me...
[10:29] <neighborlee> _osh_, yes
[10:29] <Voodoo_Vibe> hugelmopf: i will try that thanx!!
[10:29] <mike-e> pwolfe, how
[10:29] <vblanton> Still, i'll say it again, there is no proof that was actually Linus Torvalds.
[10:29] <neighborlee> _osh_, im semi mifed about no menu editor..I mean ?..but also metacity is junk
[10:30] <pwolfe> are you using 5.10 mike?
[10:30] <neighborlee> err well ..I just hate not having ability to adjust where windows go..as in remembering their states..although of course they claim its better for devdlopers to do it and not Wm's..
[10:30] <mike-e> pwolfe, just download it? i couldn't find xfce in apt-cache, using default kubuntu repos..my boss made me use kubuntu
[10:30] <mike-e> the bastard
[10:30] <pwolfe> open the program adept
[10:31] <vblanton> neighborlee, _osh_: I used gnome when I first came to linux a year and a half ago because KDE was far to windows-like for me. I then switched after the first few months of gnome 2.6/2.8
[10:31] <mike-e> pwolfe, adept?
[10:31] <pwolfe> yes, its a package manager in 5.10
[10:31] <vblanton> mike-e: did you enable the extra repositories?
[10:31] <mike-e> ok it's open
[10:31] <mike-e> vblanton, no
[10:31] <pwolfe> you can edit the sources file from there as well as search for xfce
[10:32] <pwolfe> or edit /etc/apt/source/list
[10:32] <pwolfe> ack, sources.list
[10:32] <_osh_> I really like the desktop switching thingy in gnome, the idea to use the arrow-keys. Much easier than kde's use of the F-keys. Still, I feel that there are things missing whenever I use it. Might be that I'm used to kde more though.
[10:32] <vblanton> mike-e: open adapt, go to Adept > Manage Repos and enable all of the disabled ones and then Fetch Updates
[10:32] <mike-e> uncomment the extra ones?
[10:32] <vblanton> mike-e: should be available after that. It is for me
[10:32] <darkheart> Hmm..is there another step I need to perform to get kaffeine to play .mov files? I installed w32codecs and kaffeine-xine, but it doesn't work yet.
[10:32] <pwolfe> correct mike
[10:33] <vblanton> mike-e: sure thing. especially "universe"
[10:33] <pwolfe> i think its called openquicktime or quicktime4linux
[10:33] <Voodoo_Vibe> can i download PSM through apt-get? and how?
[10:33] <vblanton> mike-e: just be aware that they are not re-evaluated for security on any timely manner, so if your a security freak then you might not want to ;)
[10:33] <darkheart> pwolfe: I'll look, thanks.
[10:33] <hugelmopf> _osh_: what do you mean by desktop switching... have you tried Ctrl-Tab?
[10:34] <vblanton> mike-e: though i'd only worry if you were running a server
[10:34] <mike-e> no i don't care
[10:34] <mike-e> apply all of the ones that are grey?
[10:34] <vblanton> hugelmopf: have you tried 3ddesktop? :))
[10:34] <vblanton> !3ddesktop
[10:34] <ubotu> vblanton: I don't know, could you explain it?
[10:34] <mike-e> and i assume the blackened text are the applied repos?
[10:34] <vblanton> :(
[10:34] <pwolfe> anyone know to make middle mouse click paste a url into a blank browser pane?  every flavor of linux ive used does this, except kubuntu
[10:34] <Voodoo_Vibe> !PSM
[10:34] <ubotu> Voodoo_Vibe: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[10:35] <Voodoo_Vibe> ubotu: : P
[10:35] <ubotu> Voodoo_Vibe: What?
[10:35] <vblanton> mike-e: yes
[10:35] <_osh_> hugelmopf: Yes, I know of ctrl-tab. I would prefer to use that for firefox though, as it is in windows (and gnome?). I'll manage though.
[10:35] <mike-e> does xfce run ok on kubuntu?
[10:35] <vblanton> pwolfe: does for me...
[10:35] <vblanton> mike-e: never tried
[10:36] <vblanton> ubotu: !3d
[10:36] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, vblanton
[10:36] <vblanton> what/?
[10:36] <pwolfe> odd, doesnt work on my end
[10:36] <vblanton> !3ddeskd
[10:36] <ubotu> vblanton: What?
[10:36] <vblanton> !3ddesk
[10:36] <ubotu> vblanton: I haven't a clue
[10:36] <vblanton> ...
[10:36] <vblanton> forget it
[10:36] <neighborlee> vblanton, hmm interesting
[10:36] <hugelmopf> vblanton: i don't have accelerated graphics, so 3ddesktop might not be for me?
[10:36] <vblanton> hugelmopf: nope
[10:36] <pwolfe> i can paste it into the url bar via a middle mouse click, but not the window itself.  its infuriating
[10:37] <vblanton> hugelmopf: need opengl capable card/drivers
[10:37] <vblanton> hugelmopf: 3ddesktop lets you switch workspaces in 3d :)
[10:37] <neighborlee> well to be frank..the lgpl nature of gnome/gtk always appealed to me..yeah I know im a colorful individual but....but at this juncture im not sure i care anymore...ill take my chances with kde/qt I think
[10:37] <vblanton> neighborlee: take a swig. run a livecd and enjoy
[10:38] <vblanton> neighborlee: you may just be washed away :)
[10:38] <neighborlee> if I was going to install i'd just do it..actually I have kubuntu iso already burned so ...
[10:38] <neighborlee> lol
[10:38] <hugelmopf> pwolfe: mmb-clicking twice on the tab bar?
[10:39] <hugelmopf> neighborlee: what is good about lgpl-ness?
[10:39] <vblanton> neighborlee: don't forget to install all the extra gstreamer plugins for full mp3 playback and whatnot (and enabling the extra repos)
[10:39] <neighborlee> anyway im not sure I saw a answer on this..is kubuntu following suit with most ubuntu things..im mainly concernd that 'umount' is fully automatic
[10:39] <vblanton> neighborlee: KDE is gpl/lgpl
[10:39] <neighborlee> no i mean for commercial use
[10:39] <vblanton> hugelmopf: licensing
[10:39] <vblanton> im outa here. goodnight everyone
[10:39] <neighborlee> nn
[10:40] <hugelmopf> vblanton: but gpl is a lot better for the user then lgpl, as long as you don't want to abuse it yourself ;-)
[10:40] <pwolfe> hugelmopf: that doesnt work
[10:40] <neighborlee> hugelmopf, I suppose..but it might tend to limit use of the WM to only those that can afford it/want to use it for commercial gain
[10:41] <pwolfe> i used to be able to highlight any url and middle mouse click anywhere in a browser window, instead of on the url bar and having hundreds of crap links in that drop down
[10:41] <neighborlee> which by definition puts that WM in a nonOSS light as it were...I guess it depends how you look at it ?
[10:41] <hugelmopf> it is not against commercial use! you just have to provide back whatever you do with it.
[10:41] <neighborlee> but all that doesn't matter so much anymore I GUESS..im not happy with gnome's attitude
[10:41] <neighborlee> yeah i know
[10:42] <neighborlee> wait
[10:42] <hugelmopf> pwolfe: have you tried out the configuration options of konqueror ("web behaviour")?
[10:42] <neighborlee> mabye I misinterpreted something here...so use qt for commercial use..its free long as you make your source available ?
[10:42] <pwolfe> i'll try that now, but would that help firefox as well?
[10:42] <hugelmopf> right. at least the linux version. the windows version will be like that in future
[10:43] <hugelmopf> i am not using firefox regularly
[10:43] <hugelmopf> can't tell you
[10:43] <hugelmopf> i thought it should already do the same as under ubuntu
[10:43] <neighborlee> hugelmopf, well then that does kinda make it ugly for proprietary use..not that thats a bad thing as it were but it can have ramifications..ie: nviida/ati for example
[10:43] <pwolfe> yeah that oprion is correctly set in konq
[10:43] <neighborlee> hugelmopf, course the list could be endless
[10:44] <hugelmopf> neighborlee: i was only arguing your point of what should be preferred, and not what companies like.
[10:44] <neighborlee> I saw a article online once with someone suggesting kde should just use its own and get away from qt...are they considering that or is it   vaporware idea wize ;-)
[10:45] <pwolfe> would be hard to not copt qt's ideas though after using thiers for so long, potential legal nightmare
[10:46] <neighborlee> ah
[10:46] <pwolfe> i mean thats just my 2 cents
[10:46] <neighborlee> np
[10:46] <hugelmopf> neighborlee: why should they? Trolltech is doing everything right...
[10:47] <neighborlee> hugelmopf, thats subjective
[10:48] <neighborlee> as I mentoined earlier..I tend to be an idealist when it comes to the gnome paradigm
[10:48] <pwolfe> are there any other good icon sites for linux (kde) besides kde-look? , cant find anything i like
[10:49] <neighborlee> http://www.buzzard.me.uk/jonathan/kde-icons.html
[10:50] <pwolfe> thanks
[10:50] <neighborlee> http://www.everaldo.com/crystal.html < this one?
[10:50] <neighborlee> sure np
[10:50] <neighborlee> crystal is gorgeous ;-)
[10:50] <pwolfe> yeah im just getting tired of it
[10:51] <pwolfe> i had been using h30-doa for a while too
[10:51] <neighborlee> ah ok
[10:51] <kr1pto> Anyone know why running Evolution on Breezy doesn't work with kde?
[10:51] <pwolfe> guess I'll just have to nite the bullet and make my own theme
[10:51] <pwolfe> *bite
[10:51] <neighborlee> kr1pto, why what errors
[10:51] <neighborlee> pwolfe, sounds intriguing
[10:52] <neighborlee> you go! ;-)
[10:52] <kr1pto> Takes Forever to start, (upwards of 5 minutes) and the evolution connector doesn't allow me to select next after I enter a user name
[10:52] <pwolfe> oh i dont mean make the graphics, just pull em down and go to the file associations pane and changeem one by one
[10:52] <hugelmopf> dapper flight2 is out... has anybody tried the torrent yet? i don't get anything...
[10:54] <kr1pto> If I run Evolution from the commandline I only see "adding hook target 'source'"
[10:55] <neighborlee> is kubuntu going to follow 100% the dapper base or if not where are they going to make diversions ?
[10:55] <neighborlee> kr1pto, odd
[10:55] <neighborlee> kr1pto, I think your best result would be obtained from: irc.gnome.org (.com?) and #evolution
[10:56] <neighborlee> LOL
[10:56] <Vincent> how can I launch beagled at login ?
[10:56] <kr1pto> neighborlee: But this appears to be a Ubuntu issue with kde. It used to work with Gnome
[10:56] <neighborlee> no not you kr1pto ..I mean this thread wit linus/gnome thing...OMGosh
[10:56] <neighborlee> woah nellie
[10:57] <kr1pto> I also get "(evolution:18234): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_gc_set_foreground: assertion `GDK_IS_GC (gc)' failed"
[10:58] <kr1pto> neighborlee: *lol* I don't really care what Linus says really.. he's a kernel guy and not a ui person...
[10:58] <neighborlee> well
[10:58] <neighborlee> he makes valid points though..hes a smart cookie and in most cases likely  dead on when it comes to whatever linux
[10:59] <neighborlee> from what ive read  of his comments anyway..he has his eye on the 'ballpark' not the dugout
[11:00] <kr1pto> neighborlee: The only thing I really care about is getting a distro to work well for our users, in this case we need a decent mail client that talks to Evolution.. KDE is pretty fast so I like to use it for my desktop.. Evolution has an exchange connector.. therefor I need to get the both working :)
[11:01] <neighborlee> yeah indeed
[11:01] <neighborlee> kde is faster than gnome in some respects clearly
[11:02] <neighborlee> for example in gnome if I resize the gnome panel to make it smaller ..when the desktop restarts it draws slowly across till its done...kde's is just there boom....I dont know if that means kde is faster but at least its the perceived effect
[11:02] <rama> Speaking of which, irssi has a weird behaviour right after installation, here...
[11:03] <neighborlee> hm
[11:03] <hugelmopf> kr1pto: is the exchange support of kontact still not useable?
[11:03] <kr1pto> neighborlee: Obviously faster in this case is subjective :) I find kde pretty darn quick.. :)
[11:04] <kr1pto> hugelmopf: I'm new to Ubuntu and kde frankly.. I will check that out.
[11:04] <hugelmopf> kr1pto: there is a feature matrix under http://kontact.org/groupwareservers.php
[11:04] <neighborlee> kr1pto, same here
[11:04] <hugelmopf> kr1pto: but i don't have any personal experience with exchange servers
[11:04] <hugelmopf> i just like kontact a lot.
[11:05] <neighborlee> yeah i was going to say.kontact likely is default for kubuntu right ?
[11:05] <hugelmopf> right.
[11:05] <_osh_> Hmm, strange error, only seen in kde3.5 so far. When I launch OO.o from konqueror it shows the splash-screen but doesn't seem to start the application. I don't get the file I clicked on opened anyway.  Im stuck.
[11:05] <neighborlee> yeah kontact is nice...I think I like the UI better frankly
[11:05] <neighborlee> maybe i'm  a closet-kde user ? <G>
[11:06] <hugelmopf> _osh_: works for me.
[11:07] <_osh_> hugelmopf: Yes, well, it did work for me too about 30 min ago. However I remember seeing the same thing on another box (my fried laptop) that I upgraded from kde3.4 to kde3.5 some weeks ago.
[11:07] <hugelmopf> _osh_: i am on kde 3.5, in case you wonder.
[11:08] <_osh_> Funny thing is that I haven't changed anything on this machine that I know of. I've just opened and closed opendocument files.
[11:08] <_osh_> hugelmopf: Let's hope you don't see the same problems I do then.
[11:08] <kr1pto> hmm.. Kontact that Ihave on breezy doesn't seem to support exchange.. I must be doing something wrong.
[11:11] <hugelmopf> kr1pto: here seems to be a very recent howto: http://alex.mamchenkov.net/
[11:13] <kr1pto> Thanks, am checking it out now
[11:22] <arrinmurr> hmm.. is it just me or is the kpdf from kubuntu.org KDE 3.5 repository somehow broken?
[11:22] <hugelmopf> arrinmurr: same for everybody. :-(
[11:23] <arrinmurr> hugelmopf: ok. just downgraded to the latest official kubuntu one. seems to work fine now.
[11:23] <Voodoo_Vibe> does anyone know if there are any guitar tuners for Linux??
[11:24] <bimberi> Voodoo_Vibe: gtkguitune :)
[11:25] <neighborlee> http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Multimedia/Guitar/ < alternatively if you dont find that usefull
[11:25] <_osh_> Is "arts" a good choice for playing sound in kubuntu? Isn't alsa the better choice? I have sound on this box except when playing mpegs. Which is slightly annoying.
[11:25] <Voodoo_Vibe> bimberi: Thanx!!
[11:25] <bimberi> Voodoo_Vibe: np :)
[11:25] <neighborlee> _osh_, I thought everyone used alsa by now..
[11:26] <hugelmopf> _osh_: arts uses ALSA
[11:26] <neighborlee> ah
[11:26] <hugelmopf> but alsa will only let one application access the sound device at a time, so arts (as well as esd under gnome) is something in between applications and alsa
[11:27] <neighborlee> hugelmopf, ouch I had no idea
[11:27] <_osh_> neighborlee: Ah. Still. Sound in KDE but not in kaffeine-xine... :-/
[11:28] <neighborlee> hugelmopf, major ouch..how on earth did alsa become a standard then for linux o_0...that seems wrong somehow at least on that basis
[11:28] <neighborlee> _osh_, hm
[11:28] <hugelmopf> neighborlee: well, that's the modular linux way
[11:28] <hugelmopf> errr... unix even
[11:29] <hugelmopf> _osh_: i don't use it, but i think you would have to specify arts as audio-backend somewhere
[11:29] <neighborlee> hugelmopf, what are you getting at..
[11:29] <Voodoo_Vibe> bimberi: cant get my recording input to work
[11:29] <neighborlee> _osh_, I find that odd at best..kaffeine is a kde app..dont they test these kinds of things ?
[11:30] <_osh_> hugelmopf: I thought I tried that. Will try again.
[11:30] <neighborlee> too much code and to little time i suppose..stuff happens
[11:30] <Voodoo_Vibe> bimberi: got it!
[11:31] <bimberi> Voodoo_Vibe: phew, i wouldn't have been much help - only knew of its existence :)
[11:32] <hugelmopf> neighborlee: i agree, for audio and video, kubuntu is not set up well enough yet.
[11:32] <neighborlee> ah
[11:33] <neighborlee> well..its still newish so i suppose thats a fair critique
[11:33] <neighborlee> maybe i'd better wait a bit then...but im sure it willl continue to   succede especially if wind gets out much about that /. linus/gnome article <wink>
[11:33] <hugelmopf> it's not only kubuntu... kde is missing a good video player. what do i want playlists etc. in a video player? it needs to just work, without much around it.
[11:34] <Kibou> you don't need arts..if you have a shitty soundcard that doesn't do hardware mixing you can use alsa's own software mixer dmix
[11:35] <_networker> hello
[11:35] <neighborlee> hugelmopf, agreed
[11:35] <neighborlee> Kibou, ah
[11:35] <neighborlee> good point i'd forgottren about the whole hardware mixing thing..so the kernel then handles that ?
[11:36] <neighborlee> kernel driver as in I mean
[11:36] <neighborlee> mine is sblive
[11:36] <Coolio10> is there anything like Apple GarageBand for kubuntu?
[11:36] <_networker> coolio: audacity?
[11:37] <Coolio10> i mean something taht lets you use already set loops to make your own music
[11:40] <Kibou> the sb live has hardware mixing.. so you don't need arts, esd or dmix
[11:40] <Kibou> just use alsa directly
[11:43] <_osh_> Annoying. Sound works, just not in kaffeine. And loading things from konq works too, just not opendocuments. This is too weird for me. I'm off to bed.
[11:45] <Mabus06> Can anyone help me to get Kopete to work with sending/recieving webcam?
[11:45] <neighborlee> Kibou, yeah
[11:45] <Mabus06> It can do either, but not both at the same time.
[11:45] <_osh_> Perhaps I just need the "evil" codecs...
[11:46] <neighborlee> _osh_, oh the thought!! (eww) ;-)
[11:46] <neighborlee> I try to use ogg/theora whenever possible ;-)
[11:47] <neighborlee> frankly I dont own one single mp3 so its not a struggle for me....
[11:51] <eaf> hi?
[11:51] <eaf> Can anyone help me with package repositoryes?
[12:00] <nalioth> ubotu: tell eaf about repos