[01:27] <badmtez> hi.. i am new here. i want to join ubuntu irc cloaks. Here is my launchpad account liink https://launchpad.net/~sapicantik214. What do i need to do to join ubuntu irc cloaks ?
[01:31] <benonsoftware> badmtez: You'll need to become an Ubuntu Member, have a look at
[01:31] <benonsoftware> !membership
[01:42] <badmtez> ok.. thank you for the guide :)
[01:49] <benonsoftware> No problem :)


[04:41] <tsimonq2> How long will staging.l.n be down? I'd like to play with the API in an ephemeral environment.
[09:27] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: It is routinely down every Saturday for a DB restore from production.  I forget exactly how long it takes but IIRC should be back sometime on Sunday.
[09:27] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: You could use qastaging, from the sound of it.


[00:00] <linuxman410> cyberanger was that wheezy u showed me a screenshot of other day
[00:00] <cyberanger> linuxman410: I've got my whole drive encrypted (minus /boot which cannot be encrypted, hence it's on a usb key I keep with me at all times)
[00:01] <cyberanger> rules out software keyloggers instantly that way, however hw is a possibility still)
[00:05] <linuxman410> cyberanger what are u running right now
[00:05] <linuxman410> ubuntu or debian
[00:07] <cyberanger> linuxman410: on what system, I'm running both and centos (and others) if you count every system
[00:07] <wrst> hey hey
[00:07]  * cyberanger hates centos but between cpanel and work, I have little say in the matter
[00:08] <cyberanger> wrst: hey it's fat albert
[00:08] <cyberanger> ;-)
[00:08] <wrst> ha ha
[00:08] <wrst> atleast it isn't windows server cyberanger
[00:08] <linuxman410> cyberanger have you ever heard of quantos suppose to be the most secure linux distro
[00:09]  * cyberanger wonders if he somehow dated himself, realizes that show is older than him (like the majority of MacGyver Episodes I still like)
[00:09] <cyberanger> wrst: true true, cpanel doesn't run on windows :-)
[00:10] <cyberanger> linuxman410: lemme think
[00:11] <linuxman410> cyberanger go do distrowatch and scroll down
[00:11] <linuxman410> to
[00:11] <cyberanger> linuxman410: didn't need to, just had to think for a second
[00:12] <cyberanger> sandboxes every app, includes tor
[00:12] <linuxman410> cyberanger have you ever tried it
[00:12] <cyberanger> based on linux mint, and if I recall, uses XFCE
[00:12] <cyberanger> no, for a few reasons
[00:12] <linuxman410> cyberanger and
[00:13] <cyberanger> I prefer XFCE and I install tor by default
[00:13] <cyberanger> and I find if it needs that level of sandboxing, somebody will defeat it anyhow
[00:14] <cyberanger> (I've not seen a truely secure sandbox yet, hence why I say that)
[00:14] <cyberanger> and a long time ago, I learned the second you have no clue what's going on, your security is gone
[00:15] <Unit193> SELinux?
[00:15] <Unit193> cyberanger: I remember that the DSL and Internet lights are off the modem when it has issues so I wouldn't think Router
[00:15] <cyberanger> (I may use it at some point, but what it does seems a small difference than others that have intresting changes, vs what's nearly stock)
[00:17] <cyberanger> Unit193: I've seen more AppArmor actually (even on military setups, despite the NSA's role in both SELinux and the military, however they've had roles in alot of stuff, I bet AppArmor too)
[00:17] <cyberanger> Unit193: so a line issue or modem issue (makes some sense, unfortunately)
[00:17] <Unit193> Bodhizazen is supposed to be very good at that
[00:18] <cyberanger> linuxman410: I've seen alot of XFCE setups, just don't like XFCE, kinda a pushoff
[00:18] <Unit193> cyberanger: Zyxel 660c (Or something like that... I'm all going from memory here)
[00:19] <linuxman410> cyberanger so u only like openbox
[00:19] <cyberanger> Unit193: the DSL modem, sounds likely
[00:20] <cyberanger> linuxman410: well, I really favor it, and I've found XFCE grow a bit, I like LXDE for an example, Enlightenment for another
[00:20] <Unit193> cyberanger: From what I remember, the line may not have been done the best. Thanks for the pointers (Seems like I can't do anything about this)
[00:20] <cyberanger> but my personal favorable one is Openbox, followed by LXDE
[00:21] <linuxman410> cyberanger is widowmaker still going
[00:21] <Unit193> cyberanger: Tried Lubuntu? (Or BodhiLinux for E?
[00:21] <cyberanger> Unit193: perhaps the line, but if that modem is right, I've heard some stories on it, kinda a concern)
[00:22] <Unit193> cyberanger: You don't need to register your MAC with them correct? I have a Zoom ADSL modem....
[00:22] <linuxman410> unit193 i tried Bodhilinux and did not like it but i love lubuntu
[00:23] <cyberanger> linuxman410: widomaker?
[00:23] <linuxman410> cyberanger you never heard of it
[00:23] <cyberanger> Unit193: for DSL, provided your provider isn't doing something unusual, and your settings are right
[00:24]  * wrst plays with kde again
[00:24] <cyberanger> linuxman410: I don't recall it at least, not by name
[00:24] <cyberanger> Unit193: then your PPPoE should be enough
[00:24] <Unit193> cyberanger: I may have to try it so I can remote in and mess with things remotely
[00:25] <linuxman410> cyberanger here is link http://windowmaker.info/imageview.php?cat=big&id=49
[00:26] <cyberanger> linuxman410: ok, I've either heard of it, or some sort of clone
[00:26] <cyberanger> didn't recognize the name
[00:26] <linuxman410> ok
[00:29] <cyberanger> he seems to always have the shortest goodbyes
[00:29] <cyberanger> but on longer than usual
[00:30] <wrst> cyberanger: i just noticed I have firefox 5??
[00:30] <wrst> didn't 4 just come out?
[00:31] <cyberanger> wrst: depends, are you fetching from testing
[00:31] <wrst> I'm on arch cyberanger
[00:31] <Unit193> wrst: They started calling security fixes major numbers
[00:31] <cyberanger> and fetching beta, or
[00:31] <wrst> but thought that it was beta?
[00:31] <cyberanger> Unit193: really, that's dumb
[00:31] <Unit193> It's fully out
[00:31] <wrst> cyberanger: generally arch doesn't get something until out of beta for example it still has grub not grub 2
[00:31] <Unit193> cyberanger: Following Chrome
[00:31] <wrst> ahh Unit193 that's why
[00:32] <cyberanger> Unit193: so, if I build something crappy, with enough bugs, and fix them, I can make it look like I did something useful by having a version 11 in under a year
[00:32] <cyberanger> shame on chrome too then
[00:33] <wrst> Unit193: so that means we shoudl be on about windows 1,563 or so?
[00:34] <Unit193> Don't look at me, I hate this style too...
[00:34] <cyberanger> wrst: June 21st, 2011 it hit release channels (and a day or so for our repos)
[00:34] <Unit193> wrst: Only 1,563?
[00:34] <wrst> Unit193: ok add what 6 zeros? :)
[00:34] <wrst> cyberanger: makes sense, that's something I love about arch :)
[00:34] <cyberanger> Unit193: I'm not looking at you, as much as telling everyone how I feel
[00:34] <Unit193> And kernel update to 3.0?
[00:35] <cyberanger> wrst: eh, 8 to be safe
[00:35] <wrst> ok works for me :)
[00:35] <cyberanger> wait, safe and Windows, D'Oh
[00:35] <Unit193> Have you seen the changlog?
[00:35] <cyberanger> Unit193: which changelog
[00:36] <Unit193> cyberanger: FF5 (Or FF4.0.1)
[00:36] <cyberanger> yeah, it does seem needed, as an update
[00:43] <Unit193> I want to put my Intel processor in my AMD socket :(
[00:43] <cyberanger> Unit193: Bodhizazen is supposed to be good at what?
[00:43] <cyberanger> Unit193: no good, sorry, that won't go
[00:44] <Unit193> AppArmor and making servers hardend
[00:44] <Unit193> cyberanger: I know, hence the sadface :(
[00:46] <cyberanger> Unit193: yeah, he's really good for somebody that says he is non-IT, he really suprises
[00:46] <Unit193> cyberanger: You know him?
[00:47] <cyberanger> leads the beginners forum section, works on Zenix, has a lot to say on security
[00:47]  * Unit193 was/is a tester of Zenix and forum mod
[00:47] <cyberanger> leads the Montana team
[00:47] <cyberanger> (or at least did)
[00:48] <cyberanger> I know him the same way you know me, I suppose
[00:48] <cyberanger> IRC, mailing lists, the forum
[00:48] <cyberanger> I cannot say for any certainty I've met him
[00:49] <cyberanger> think he managed the Buddist Edition, or had some involvement at least
[00:49] <cyberanger> Unit193: was or is, like, did you stop at some point
[00:50] <Unit193> It's been released, don't need to test
[00:50] <Unit193> He put Awesome window mgr in (Fun to play with)
[00:53] <cyberanger> yeah, but some always test until an alpha is out, looking for bugs
[00:53] <cyberanger> I don't get that myself, but I guess that's some peoples persistance
[01:01] <linuxman410> cyberanger u hewre
[01:02] <linuxman410> cyberanger u here
[01:02] <wrst> linuxman410: wb
[01:03] <cyberanger> linuxman410: sorta here
[01:03] <linuxman410> wrst i tried to install wheezy net install and it would not install
[01:03] <cyberanger> linuxman410: what snagged
[01:04] <linuxman410> cyberanger it said no kernel modules found
[01:04] <wrst> linuxman410: i changed my sources to wheezy i think that didnt work so well i havent booted back sense
[01:05] <linuxman410> cyberanger how do i install intel 2200 firmware from command line
[01:06] <cyberanger> linuxman410: you are installed, or you need to install?
[01:06] <linuxman410> in debian 6
[01:06] <cyberanger> wrst: that should not be possible, what did you do
[01:07] <wrst> i dont know that is how you upgrade?
[01:07] <cyberanger> linuxman410: so you've installed squeeze then
[01:07] <linuxman410> cyberanger i am installing debian 6 but i need firmware for wireless
[01:07]  * wrst plans on reinstallin debian
[01:07] <linuxman410> cyberanger how do i install from commandline
[01:07] <cyberanger> wrst: did you edit your sources.list, run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, or sudo apt-get upgrade (this is where that difference sorta matters more)
[01:08] <wrst> i did dist-upgrade
[01:09] <cyberanger> linuxman410: is it a netinstall again?
[01:09] <linuxman410> yes
[01:10] <linuxman410> cyberanger it asked me on install if i had disk with firmware
[01:14] <wrst> cyberanger: dist-upgrade is correct there?
[01:14] <wrst> and cyberanger i had done lots of messing around so no telling what i did
[01:15] <linuxman410> cyberanger did you find out how to install firmware from commandline
[02:13] <cyberanger> linuxman410: sorry, just finished locking up work
[02:13] <linuxman410> ok
[02:13] <cyberanger> wrst: normally yes, idk about your case
[02:14] <cyberanger> linuxman410: yeah, it cut the outgoing connections as I left too, so I couldn't really reply
[02:14] <cyberanger> lemme see
[02:14] <wrst> cyberanger: I suspect I contributed to some issue :)
[02:15] <linuxman410> cyberanger i tried to do netinstall of wheezy but it said no kernel modules found
[02:17] <cyberanger> linuxman410: for your wifi card, yes?
[02:19] <cyberanger> or just "no kernel modules"
[02:19] <cyberanger> did it ask to load additional firmware?
[02:19] <linuxman410> cyberanger it says no kernel modules when i try to do netinstall how do i fix that
[02:20] <cyberanger> never asked to load additional firmware?
[02:20] <cyberanger> if yes, then your disc sounds bad
[02:20] <linuxman410> wheezy ask for kernel modules says it can not find none
[02:22] <linuxman410> cyberanger i have the netinstall with firmware
[02:22] <cyberanger> linuxman410: it did ask though,
[02:23] <linuxman410> cyberanger no not the firmware addition just debian 6 without firmware
[02:25] <linuxman410> cyberanger it stopped right now and says no kernel modules were found that is as far as it gets it does not ask about network it does not get that far
[02:25] <linuxman410> cyberanger what do i do
[02:26] <linuxman410> cyberanger do i continue without kernel modules it gives me that option
[02:26] <linuxman410> cyberanger u still here
[02:28] <linuxman410> cyberanger u getting my messages
[02:39] <cyberanger> linuxman410: sorry, busy day, lemme catch up real quick
[02:39] <cyberanger> linuxman410: so it didn't get far enough to ask anything, that sounds like the disc is bad
[02:43] <linuxman410> cyberanger a bad iso
[02:47] <cyberanger> linuxman410: that's equally possible
[02:47] <cyberanger> (I presumed you checked the iso though, but yeah, disc, iso or both)
[02:47] <linuxman410> i got the link from a guy at debian
[02:48] <cyberanger> linuxman410: did he give you an md5sum or something to check the download though?
[02:48] <cyberanger> and was the link to a debian server?
[02:48] <linuxman410> no
[02:49] <linuxman410> yes
[02:49] <cyberanger> so it could be corrupt, but unlikely the iso on the server is bad
[02:50] <linuxman410> cyberanger what happens if i tell it to continue anyway
[02:51] <cyberanger> linuxman410: wait, what do you mean, tell it to continue anyway?
[02:51] <cyberanger> what's the link to the iso you fetched
[02:51] <cyberanger> ?
[02:51] <linuxman410> cyberanger without installing kernel modules
[02:52] <cyberanger> I thought you said it had a kernel issue, it's asking something?
[02:52] <cyberanger> you said it hadn't asked you anything earlier
[02:53] <linuxman410> cyberanger it says no kernel modules found continue any way yes or no
[02:55] <linuxman410> cyberanger what do you think about archbang
[02:59] <linuxman410> cyberanger what about porteous
[03:42] <wrst> linuxman410: i've tried chakra before not the same thing but an arch based distro
[03:42] <wrst> i think just installing arch is the best route really
[04:01] <vychune> o/
[04:04] <Unit193> That was quick
[04:06] <linuxman410> wrst i want to find something new that is going to be around for a while
[04:06] <linuxman410> wrst i am using scientific linux
[07:20] <cyberanger> woot, chris4585 is heading to TN for a week (and aperently having channel issues, couldn't join)
[07:21] <Unit193> Nice, are you going to really see him?
[07:23] <cyberanger> idk, he quit before a reply
[07:23] <cyberanger> he's from the area, suppose it's possible
[07:23] <cyberanger> if something can be planned, it can be carried out
[07:25] <Unit193> I wasn't sure if you guys meet up much :/
[07:26] <cyberanger> Unit193: big state, and he's not been living in it for a couple of years I think, makes it harder ;-)
[07:26] <cyberanger> and no, we don't really, two of us here, one there, maybe 4 in memphis, hours apart
[07:27] <cyberanger> I'm an hour and a half from the next active (defined by how often their in IRC (since all meetings are in IRC)) Member
[07:28] <cyberanger> and he's about an Hour from the next active member, so on
[07:28] <cyberanger> nobody really is close enough for a lunchbreak meeting, and that makes it a bit hard
[07:28] <Unit193> I can see that...
[07:29] <cyberanger> anyone can step away for 5 minutes and get on IRC without upsetting family, enjoy a chat while at lunch
[07:29] <Unit193> Not many meeting I take it? Do you use MootBot much?
[07:30] <cyberanger> heck, I miss out on the Lug's lunches, 45 minutes away in Downtown Chattanooga (vs Cleveland, TN) and idk of any lug member in this area
[07:30] <cyberanger> once a month
[07:30] <cyberanger> first thursday at 8:30 EDT
[07:30] <cyberanger> fire up MootBot for it
[07:32] <Unit193> I looked at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TennesseeTeam/MootBot not /Meeting
[07:33] <cyberanger> lol, that'd do it
[14:06] <Xpistos> Morning
[15:26] <wrst> morning Xpistos
[16:18] <Xpistos> hey wrst
[16:33] <wrst> how you doing Xpistos?
[16:33] <Xpistos> working on my database today
[21:16] <Unit193> cyberanger: Belkin F5D8233-4v3(01) EQ660R modem (Zyxel rebranded)
[21:31] <Unit193> That is the info on the two devices (Modem uses DHCP)
[21:44] <cyberanger> Unit193: DSL Modem using DHCP, oh brother
[21:47] <Unit193> cyberanger: Yeah... As far as I can tell, I can't replave it with the Zoom
[21:48] <cyberanger> replave it, cool
[21:49] <Unit193> Would you rather I replace it?
[21:49] <cyberanger> no, I'd rather take it out back, shoot it, throw it in a woodchipper, and then replace it
[21:57] <cyberanger> Unit193: A modem is a Modem, I hate these dual modem router designs
[21:57] <cyberanger> hence the brutalitaly
[21:58]  * Unit193 set it to bridge mode
[21:58] <Unit193> It's just a modem now!
[22:00] <cyberanger> Unit193: ok, well, then just threaten it when it fails


[04:53] <infinity> Man, adare and ross really are festering heaps.  My dinky little PowerStation builds linux-ppc in 3.5h, (compared to ross's 13.5h ...)
[10:35] <lifeboy> infinity: Just some feedback. I'm running 3.2 kernel now and all is working like it should.  Thanks for your help!
[10:36] <infinity> lifeboy: Good to hear.


[01:19] <MarkDude> Who/where would I go with help with a blueprint I made?
[01:20]  * MarkDude is looking for help :)
[02:22] <JoseeAntonioR> MarkDude: I can take a quick look if you want
[02:23] <JoseeAntonioR> but I think I already did
[02:27] <MarkDude> You already did JoseeAntonioR - tnx again
[02:28] <JoseeAntonioR> no worries :)
[12:57] <locodir-user> Hi there
[12:57] <locodir-user> is everybody there?
[12:58] <locodir-user> is anybody there?


[10:57] <AnssiP> I did not manage to boot my Ubuntu partition with a GRUB boot disk. See my problem: my MBR has Pointsec for decrypting my Windows partition, and it can not be touched. So i must boot from a CD, then re-boot manually from my Ubuntu partition. So far no success. Can anyone point to detailed instructions? Can you do this with Ubuntu CD?


[02:29] <rodarvus> guys, as you might (or not :) ) know, I'm working on X.Org 7.1 packages, currently
[02:29] <Mithrandir> you're basing those off the 7.1 packages in Debian?
[02:29] <rodarvus> Debian has *very* little done, until now, and gravity will be away for the next two weeks (and has no plans to touch X.Org 7.1 until then)
[02:30] <Mithrandir> hmm, ok.
[02:30] <rodarvus> so, yes, I'm basing on their work
[02:30] <rodarvus> but very little has been done
[02:30] <rodarvus> I was wondering if it makes sense to try to collaborate with them right now - meaning contacting someone at XSF, and try to push our packages directly to experimental
[02:30] <rodarvus> and sync them into ubuntu, from there
[02:31] <rodarvus> (this is question #1)
[02:31] <Kamion> political advice: don't talk about it as "pushing our packages"
[02:31] <rodarvus> also, I noted that many of the packages that are "part" of X.Org 7.1 are already outdated - for example, libx11 (for 7.1) is 1.0.1 - current version is 1.0.3
[02:32] <Kamion> also, there are still differences, so presumably the versions in experimental would have to be based on existing Debian packaging, not on existing Ubuntu packaging
[02:32] <rodarvus> do you think it is a problem for us to go directly to 1.0.3? (and be "newer" than 7.1 in some packages)
[02:32] <rodarvus> the same operation would happen in many other packages too
[02:32] <Kamion> that's not to say collaboration doesn't make sense of course - I think it does, if possible
[02:32] <Kamion> rodarvus: case-by-case, I'd say
[02:33] <Kamion> depends on what's in 1.0.3
[02:33] <rodarvus> *nods*, I agree its a case-by-case
[02:33] <rodarvus> Kamion: also, thanks for the advice on collaboration with Debian :)
[02:34] <Kamion> I wouldn't expect it to be intrinsically a problem to go to newer versions, if the changes are reasonable and not API/ABI-complex
[02:34] <rodarvus> dangerous territory :P
[02:37] <Mithrandir> I'd be very scared if Xorg broke the libX11 ABI.
[02:39] <Kamion> http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg-lib-libX11;a=log;h=99c711707ad08e1396e123b1c7df687c560a489a shows at least some security fixes between 1.0.1 and 1.0.3
[02:39] <fabbione> same soname
[02:40] <fabbione> no abi breakage
[02:40] <Kamion> also one or two changes that might require packaging tweaks
[02:40] <Kamion> (the i18n datadir/libdir stuff)
[02:40] <fabbione> you need to make sure to pull in the proper headers to build libx11
[02:40] <fabbione> otherwise it's not going to build
[02:42] <rodarvus> fabbione: right, I plan to build all new x11proto before
[02:42] <fabbione> ok
[02:42] <rodarvus> before building the rest, I mean
[02:42] <rodarvus> anyhow, I'll do it, then - thanks for the advice, guys!
[02:43] <rodarvus> I'd also like to consider helping XSF directly in the future, but I figure it won't be very likely to happen *right now*, due to time constraints
[02:58] <Kamion> I suspect that collaborating with XSF on this pretty much equates to helping them directly
[02:58] <Kamion> since it won't be a matter of "commit Ubuntu packaging to SVN"
[03:06] <rodarvus> exactly


[01:00] <jgoguen> can someone on bug-control set bug 239360 to Won't Fix? upstream has fixed for Thunderbird 3, but won't be moving the fix back to Thunderbird 2.x
[01:24] <jgoguen> same for bug 279710
[05:16] <dholbach> good morning
[05:24] <bitumen2003> evening in N.Z.
[06:10] <thekorn> good morning bugsquad.
[06:17] <james_w> morning thekorn
[06:17] <bitumen2003> evening in N.Z.
[06:18] <james_w> beer o'clock here
[06:19]  * dholbach sips his coffee
[06:23] <paulduf> I think that bug #337037 should be set triaged with a priority High. (fixed in 3.3.2 samba)
[06:40] <YoBoY> good morning
[06:42] <bitumen2003> hi YoBoY
[10:21] <fargiolas> GrueMaster: ping
[10:22] <GrueMaster> hello.
[10:23] <fargiolas> GrueMaster: hi, probably you already forgot about me, I did help you to test snd-hda-intel for conexant chip. still hacking on alsa?
[10:24] <GrueMaster> Not so much.  I took a break to finish my college degree, and on my last day of class I was hired by Ubuntu.  I'm now doing testing for mobile and mid environments, but will also spend a little of my spare time on alsa once I get organized.
[10:25] <GrueMaster> Is your system still working ok?
[10:25] <fargiolas> GrueMaster: oh ok :) congrats for the ubuntu job then. it's working fine but recently I have 2 PCM channels and no Master again, like about 2 years ago :(
[10:27] <bitumen2003> nite all
[10:28] <fargiolas> GrueMaster: so I was arguing if you could know what changed
[10:28] <BUGabundo> bitumen2003: good morning
[10:30] <GrueMaster> I'm not at home at the moment, but next week I can check what has changed.
[10:31] <GrueMaster> Send me an email so I can tag it to my todo list.  gruemaster <AT> gmail.com
[10:31] <fargiolas> GrueMaster: ok, thank you :)
[10:49] <nullack> ping seb128 : quick personal favour pls
[10:50] <seb128> nullack: pong which one?
[11:12] <theseinfeld> dholbach are you busy?
[11:12] <dholbach> theseinfeld: always - how can I help you?
[11:12] <theseinfeld> i just wonder how is the new 5-a-day working?
[11:12] <theseinfeld> how do you add new bugs
[11:12] <theseinfeld> the --add doesn't work anymore... :(
[11:13] <dholbach> theseinfeld: you don't - you just join the ~5-a-day-participants team in launchpad
[11:13] <theseinfeld> waw, that is quite an improvement!
[11:14] <dholbach> yes :)
[11:14] <dholbach> new statistics will be up RSN
[11:14] <theseinfeld> brilliant work! dholbach!
[11:14] <dholbach> took us a bit to get there :)
[11:15] <theseinfeld> are you going to include it in the main or at least in universe
[11:15] <dholbach> theseinfeld: maybe it could live in ubuntu-qa-tools
[11:15] <dholbach> because all it does is create the signature file for you
[11:15] <dholbach> so that's not really exciting :)
[11:16] <theseinfeld> cool! thanks for the updates dholbach...
[11:16] <dholbach> rock on
[11:16] <theseinfeld> dholbach how much time before you can see the bugs with --update? 1 hour?
[11:17] <dholbach> probably, yes
[11:17] <dholbach> it gets the data from the ubuntu-bugs@ mailing list too and the lists are a bit slow atm
[11:18] <theseinfeld> ok, just to know :D not to panic. dholbach, this improves a lot the use of 5-a-day... Just made my day...
[11:18] <dholbach> coool :-)
[11:18] <pedro_> wow what a great job yesterday at the hug day https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090312?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=samba-1day-triaging.png
[11:19]  * pedro_ hugs the bugsquad
[11:19] <dholbach> nice
[12:42] <theseinfeld> If I have a bug in kernel, what package do I put? linux?
[12:43] <theseinfeld> After all, it is the source package for the modules? right?
[12:53] <maxb> Unless it's a backports or restricted module, yes
[13:06] <theseinfeld> thanks
[13:06] <theseinfeld> maxbb
[19:17] <Rocket2DMn> hey guys, would it be wrong to upgrade bug 317271 to critical? it has 60 dups
[19:18] <bdmurray> quantity of duplicates isn't a reason to increase severity
[19:18] <bdmurray> er importance ;-)
[19:20] <Rocket2DMn> bdmurray, the number of users impacted doesn't matter?
[19:20] <Rocket2DMn> all that it says on the Importance wiki page for critical is "A bug which has a severe impact on a large portion of Ubuntu users "
[19:21] <Rocket2DMn> granted, it doesnt make the sytem unusable, but it does seem to be a serious problem as it is a crash
[19:22] <bdmurray> I think it'd make more sense to get it on the Juanty radar than increase the importance
[19:22] <Rocket2DMn> heh yeah, severity and importance are basically one in the same on LP, unlike bugzilla
[19:22] <Rocket2DMn> you want me to open that task for Jaunty on it then?
[19:23] <Rocket2DMn> i didnt even think to do that :( /shame
[19:23] <bdmurray> Yes, that'd be good
[19:23] <Rocket2DMn> k, cool, done
[20:11] <salty-horse> how do I add another affected package to an open bug?
[20:12] <dtchen> salty-horse: Also affects distribution
[20:13] <dtchen> salty-horse: (then leave the Distribution set to Ubuntu, and change the Source Package Name)
[20:16] <salty-horse> ok
[20:18] <salty-horse> worked. thanks
[21:04] <bdmurray> Could somebody confirm bug 342501 for me?
[21:05] <calc> jcastro: my bug numbers are getting pretty again :)
[21:05]  * calc was busy working on patches for the past couple weeks so they got a little neglected
[22:54] <pauld_> I MAY have found the cause of bug #314657 (written in a comment)... would be cool if a developer could check


[03:07] <balorth> hello
[05:13] <dvrr> good morning
[05:27] <dvrr> popey:Hiiiiiiiii
[05:30] <shauno> dvrr: it's 6:30am here.  many people won't wake up no matter how enthusiastic you are.  you might want to try #ubuntu proper at this hour
[05:44]  * jussi hugs dvrr
[06:04] <dvrr> iam running apache, mysql, tomcat section replication in ubuntu 12.10  (16gb RAM 4 cpu)  but i hava problem cpu utilization 100 percent  (java sdk 200 persent usage) please help me
[06:07] <dvrr> jussi
[06:07] <jussi> dvrr: #ubuntu is your best bet, I have no idea (plus, Im working)
[06:08] <dvrr> ok thank you
[07:31] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[07:31] <shauno> o/
[07:32] <brobostigon> morning shauno
[07:53] <AlanBell> morning
[08:02] <BigRedS> Good Morning!
[08:03] <brobostigon> morning BigRedS
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> *yawn*
[08:06] <neuro> Monday ... pfff
[08:30] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:31] <mungbean> .win 9
[08:32] <bigcalm> Fail alpha
[08:33] <mungbean> woops
[08:33] <mungbean> meant to say /win 9
[09:17] <DJones> Grr, its time to get depressed, parents are looking at getting a new puppy, its not fair, I want another one
[09:17] <mungbean> they will be sick of theirs in 2 weeks
[09:18] <mungbean> when poo and wee and bitten stuff is everywhere
[09:18] <DJones> Not a chance of that happening, 60+ years of having dogs, so they're used to it
[09:18] <mungbean> what pup are they getting?
[09:20] <mungbean> will not get another dog for the forseeable future after this one
[09:20] <DJones> Either this one http://www.pets4homes.co.uk/images/classifieds/2013/06/14/332719/quality-tri-colour-puppies-51fbb34834810.JPG
[09:20] <DJones> Or one of the shaded sables in the top pic's on this http://www.collienet.com/breeders/Ingledene%20puppies.htm
[09:21] <mungbean> cute
[09:21] <DJones> Very cute :)
[09:21] <mungbean> why do all dog websites look the same? i.e. circa 1990
[09:22] <mungbean> MS word backgrounds
[09:22] <DJones> Heh, thats true
[09:22] <AlanBell> because cats won the internet
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> and cats are only 20 years behind humans?
[09:22] <mungbean> mother in law helps this charity http://www.prodogsdirect.org.uk/
[09:22] <DJones> I ended up redoing our website using wordpress planning on updating it regularly, but the updating doesn't happen
[09:23] <DJones> heh, blank screen with flashlock
[09:23] <DJones> flashblock
[09:23] <mungbean> lolz
[09:23] <mungbean> looks terrible on most browsers
[09:24] <DJones> My parents run a northwest collie & sheltie rehoming help scheme
[09:24] <DJones> Along with a monthly training class
[09:25] <DJones> & dog shows
[09:25] <DJones> They've always had between 2 and 4 dogs, is it any wonder I get on with dogs better than people
[09:29] <popey> Morning all
[09:39] <dvrr> Hiiiii
[09:40] <dvrr> popey: good morning
[09:43] <popey> hello
[09:50] <dvrr> iam running apache, mysql, tomcat section replication in ubuntu 12.10  (16gb RAM & 4 cpu)  but i hava a problem cpu utilization 100 percent  usage (java sdk 200 persent usage) please help me
[09:50] <mungbean> deja vu
[09:51] <popey> yes, we discussed this last week didn't we?
[09:52] <dvrr> yes friday-16-13  discussed but not fixed that problem
[09:53] <mungbean> maybe there's a tomcat freenode channel
[09:54] <mungbean> or java. it doesn't sound ubuntu specific
[09:56]  * bigcalm drums his fingers waiting for the mailing list to update
[09:56] <dvrr> java. does't  sound means  i couldn't understand
[09:56] <popey> bigcalm: i got it
[09:56] <bigcalm> popey: oh, good :)
[09:56] <popey> well, i saw a mail from you on my phone anyway
[09:56] <popey> so assume thats it
[09:57] <bigcalm> I guess Thunderbird is having one of those days
[09:57] <bigcalm> popey: indeed so
[09:57] <bigcalm> Do emails from me get a special ring tone?
[09:57] <popey> yay, back to 1080p screen
[09:57] <popey> thats better
[09:57] <mgdm> bigcalm: popey is probably considerably further up the mailing list than you are :P
[09:58] <bigcalm> Why the heck as my comment appears out of order in this? http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2320-real-ale-train/
[09:59] <bigcalm> mgdm: A > I I guess
[09:59] <bigcalm> s/as/does
[09:59] <bigcalm> I fail at typing today
[09:59] <mgdm> bigcalm: I'd bet they're not in alphabetical order, probably more like order of signup
[10:00] <bigcalm> True
[10:00] <popey> file a bug
[10:00] <bigcalm> Is that how mailman works? Sending to individual subscribers rather than a BCC?
[10:00] <popey> too late, already doing it
[10:01] <popey> yes, indiviual mails
[10:01] <bigcalm> popey: a bug in my typing this morning? :)
[10:01] <mgdm> bigcalm: at the SMTP level there is no difference between the two
[10:01] <mgdm> well, not a lot
[10:02] <bigcalm> mgdm: fair enough
[10:02] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-team-portal/+bug/1213858
[10:02] <popey> please to confirm
[10:03] <bigcalm> Confirmed
[10:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:03] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[10:03] <davmor2> popey: confirm what?
[10:04] <bigcalm> bug 1213858
[10:06] <popey> ta
[10:06] <davmor2> popey: it seems to go well till bigcalm made a comment I blame bigcalm not the system ;D
[10:07] <popey> yes, i agree
[10:09] <bigcalm> :O
[10:12] <Adriannom> is a maths/programming question too ot for here?
[10:13] <mungbean> you can try :)
[10:13] <Adriannom> how can i solve this? :) - http://pastebin.com/DrFq9kbT
[10:16] <mgdm> divide each number by 1 and use that as the probability of it being generated?
[10:16] <mgdm> sorry, 1 by that number
[10:16] <mgdm> so most are 1/1 but purple is 1/2
[10:18] <Adriannom> hm that seems like it would work
[10:18] <Adriannom> mgdm, i'll give it a go, thanks :P
[10:24] <dvrr> popey: how can i solve  cpu usage
[10:25] <bigcalm> :(
[10:25] <mgdm> dvrr: hire a Tomcat/Java consultant
[10:25]  * hamitron waits for some sales pitch by mgdm
[10:27] <AlanBell> dvrr: what application are you running in tomcat?
[10:27] <dvrr> liferay tomcat , apache, mod_jk, mysql ubuntu12.10 16gb
[10:28] <mgdm> hamitron: Oh, all I know about tomcat is how to turn it off and on again (which I do moderately frequently)
[10:28] <AlanBell> so, liferay then
[10:28] <hamitron> :)
[10:29] <dvrr> liferay tomcat is like tomcat7
[10:29] <AlanBell> huh?
[10:30] <popey> liferay comes bundled with its own tomcat
[10:30] <mungbean> sounds like a question for liferay mailing list then :P
[10:31] <popey> https://www.liferay.com/community/forums is probably the best place
[10:31] <jpds> dvrr: Ubuntu 12.10 ?
[10:31] <dvrr> yes bundled with tomcat
[10:31] <popey> lol, search those forums for "cpu"
[10:31] <dvrr> ubuntu 12.10 server
[10:31] <popey> every single thread is about cpu usage
[10:31] <popey> dvrr: ^^^
[10:32] <mungbean> problem solved
[10:33] <AlanBell> a problem delegated is a problem solved
[10:33] <mungbean> Please join us at the Amazon Web Services Enterprise Summit 2013, taking place on 17 September in central London. Designed specifically for senior IT decision makers, the AWS Enterprise Summit will provide key insight on large-scale cloud solutions
[10:33] <mungbean> This is an all day event with keynote speeches from Andy Jassy, Senior Vice President, Amazon Web Services and Amazon infrastructure, and Stephen E. Schmidt, Chief Information Security Officer, AWS.
[10:33] <mungbean> sounds like coprorate garbage
[10:33] <dvrr> not solved
[10:33] <mungbean> i hate these events
[10:34] <popey> dvrr: did you see what I posted?
[10:35] <jpds> dvrr: https://www.liferay.com/de/community/forums/-/message_boards/search?_19_keywords=cpu
[10:35] <mungbean> why do i keep finding packets of crisps and bottles of coke in the toilet cubicle. what sort of person eats crisps on the bog?
[10:35] <shauno> someone with a terrifyingly fast metabolism
[10:35] <SuperMatt> D:
[10:35] <hamitron> mungbean, depends on the length of the stay?
[10:36] <jpds> mungbean: Someone who can't be bothered to find a bin.
[10:36] <jpds> dvrr: You really shouldn't be using 12.10 for something in production.
[10:36] <mungbean> consuming food/drink in the bog is ewww
[10:36] <SuperMatt> jpds: I do ;)
[10:36] <mungbean> even chewing something consumed outside gives me the unpleasant feeling
[10:36] <SuperMatt> and I'll probably upgrade my server to 13.10 when that's out (a few months after, probs)
[10:37] <SuperMatt> because I want to get my hands on apache 2.4
[10:37] <jpds> SuperMatt: Yes, and you have to keep upgrading, while meanwhile, 12.04 is fine until the next LTS.
[10:37] <shauno> I still haven't upgraded from 10.04.  it ain't broke yet
[10:37] <SuperMatt> jpds: depends what you use it for
[10:37] <mungbean> i have a 10.04 server too
[10:38] <shauno> (and yes, I'm lazy)
[10:38] <mungbean> makes for a flippin fast desktop
[10:38] <dwatkins> so does fluxbox
[10:38] <hamitron> desktop on a server? :/
[10:38] <mungbean> 10.04+gnome+docky
[10:38] <mungbean> it used to be my desktop pc, then i moved office and kept it in there as a server
[10:38] <dwatkins> my server provides me with a desktop via opennx
[10:39] <dwatkins> I tend to just use it to run xmountains
[10:39] <mungbean> running backups and pwncloud
[10:40] <shauno> people get so funny about servers vs desktops, but the main difference between a server-class machine and a workstation-class machine is what shape the box is
[10:40] <dwatkins> my server is actually a netbook - it has a built-in UPS, too.
[10:40] <mungbean> 10.04 is supported for server only now
[10:40]  * dwatkins - bucking trends in Linux since 1994
[10:47] <dwatkins> like this http://i.imgur.com/5sGJpfu.jpg
[10:47] <bigcalm> Still haven't got my own email. I guess there are a lot of subscribers
[10:47] <dwatkins> Eventually, I'll get around to putting custom colours into that application.
[10:47] <mgdm> that reminds me of my fluxbox desktop from 10 years ago
[10:48] <dwatkins> mgdm: fluxbox is indeed what I'm running there
[10:48] <mgdm> \o/
[10:48] <mgdm> it's been a few years since I ran that :D
[10:48] <mgdm> (on LFS, no less)
[10:50] <popey> bigcalm: i replied to itr
[10:50] <bigcalm> popey: yay. I can see that, but not my own post. Most strange
[10:51] <popey> do you run your own mail server?
[10:51] <bigcalm> Nope, it's gmail
[10:52] <jpds> bigcalm: Gmail hides your own posts.
[10:52] <jpds> bigcalm: You're not going to start emailing yourself, are you?
[10:52] <bigcalm> jpds: imap to Thunderbird
[10:52] <bigcalm> I've seen my own ml posts before now
[10:53] <jpds> [Although: http://www.someecards.com/usercards/viewcard/MjAxMi04NmM1MmIwMjAyMDViOTg2 ]
[10:54] <bigcalm> :)
[10:54] <jpds> bigcalm: Well, it's long been known that Gmail hides people's own posts to lists.
[10:56] <jpds> bigcalm: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2013-August/036787.html
[10:56] <popey> indeed
[10:56] <bigcalm> jpds: I guess that's the alternative route
[10:56] <popey> you only see your own post once someone replies
[11:01] <bigcalm> Almost caught up on 8 past eps of uupc
[11:01] <bigcalm> Only 2 to go
[11:08] <mungbean> tldr version?
[11:09] <bigcalm> tldl
[11:09] <mungbean> i accidentally stoped listeining last year
[11:09] <bigcalm> Time to catch up!
[11:10] <mungbean> can you summarise the whole year :P
[11:11] <bigcalm> It's the year of the desktop
[11:11] <davmor2> mungbean: it's 365.25 days
[11:12] <mungbean> who presents it now? same ppl?#
[11:12] <mungbean> i used to like it, not sure why i stopped
[11:12] <bigcalm> It's the Tony & Laura show
[11:13] <bigcalm> With sidekicks popey & Mark
[11:13] <popey> we have started doing video too
[11:14] <czajkowski> really should remove laura as a highlight
[11:14] <czajkowski> I get very confused
[11:14] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=233xnDn1SyA
[11:14] <czajkowski> oh nice
[11:15] <davmor2> czajkowski: that's not hard :P
[11:15] <czajkowski> davmor2: you have no idea :)
[11:15] <popey> our first go, it's tricky to do given we're using technology designed for remote participation, but we're in the same room
[11:16] <davmor2> czajkowski: Oh yes I do :)
[11:16] <czajkowski> popey: this going to be the new format?
[11:16] <mungbean> i also stopped listening to LAS but for different reasons...
[11:16] <popey> well, it's in addition to audio
[11:16] <czajkowski> popey: nice idea
[11:17] <czajkowski> mungbean: what is LAS
[11:17] <popey> we're not changing what we already have, but some people like to watch, so we thought we'd try it
[11:17] <mungbean> linux action show
[11:17] <czajkowski> nods why not
[11:17] <czajkowski> bit of fun
[11:18] <popey> its hard work
[11:18] <popey> the problem is we have to mute all our microphones, otherwise they all pick eachother up
[11:18] <popey> which breaks the hangout auto-switching focus of webcam
[11:19] <popey> so i had to manually switch person
[11:20] <czajkowski> ahh
[11:20] <czajkowski> bit more work involved then
[11:20] <bigcalm> Alternative is to have 1 camera in the middle on a turntable
[11:21] <popey> who turns it?
[11:21] <bigcalm> The podcats
[11:21] <popey> hah
[11:21] <mungbean> popey has a neckbeard from this angle
[11:23] <popey> yeah
[11:23] <popey> not any more
[11:23] <popey> ☻
[11:24] <mungbean> i have 1week growth or so. literally have not had time at home. might bring shaver to wor
[11:24] <mungbean> k
[11:24] <shauno> if you find a button labelled "Database Error - InitDB line 14" .. do you press it ?
[11:24] <mungbean> shauno: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/magic-story.html
[11:28] <neuro> "GitHub (Not Responding)"
[11:28] <neuro> flargen blarg
[11:37] <Monotoko> anyone here any good with SQL?
[11:41] <mungbean> i just wrote plateaued and wondered if it was real. apparently it is
[11:44] <dwatkins> plateau is a funny word, I assume it's from French.
[11:50] <shauno> safe guess, it looks gateaux :)
[11:50] <mungbean> om nom
[11:53] <dwatkins> Can you refer to something as being gateaued on a surface?
[11:54] <mungbean> gateauxed?
[11:54] <mungbean> you rarely see X's in countdown
[11:54] <shauno> you could do, ala pie on the face?  but it's bad form to use big words where diminutive ones will suffice
[11:54] <mungbean> eating gateaux on a plateau near a chateau?
[11:56] <shauno> (not claiming this is a real word, merely that it must be possible to gateaux a surface, clowns' employment depends on it)
[11:59] <mungbean> can you deselect a news source from google news?
[12:00] <mungbean> ah, need to sign in first
[12:00] <davmor2> mungbean: unless you are Stephen Fry then you see X, IX, VIII...........
[12:01] <mungbean> countdown tv programme..
[12:02] <mungbean> Singapore is Asia's largest backer at time of writing, with 200 Edges ordered, followed closely by Japan (198) and Hong Kong (157).
[12:15] <mungbean> wifey sent me to work with a stash of ginger flapjacks
[12:16] <mungbean> nobody to give them to :S
[12:18] <AlanBell> there haven't been new annoucements around the edge have there?
[12:21] <shauno> all I've seen since it broke the record, has been a sympathetic tweet from mr. Fry
[12:23] <mungbean> why did i just look at fry's tweet line
[12:23] <mungbean> arrghgh
[12:23] <diddledan> morning
[12:25] <mungbean> afternoon
[12:25] <diddledan> sshh, if I say "morning" enough I might believe I didn't oversleep :-p
[12:26] <jussi> morning diddledan
[12:26] <jussi> :P
[12:26] <diddledan> \o/
[12:26] <diddledan> morning, jussi
[12:26] <mungbean> server room air temp hit 40 degrees yesterday...and the server shutdown at 50 degrees
[12:26] <diddledan> ouch
[12:26] <diddledan> no air con?
[12:26] <mungbean> one unit failed. rather poor layout of units means little overlap
[12:27] <diddledan> ah
[12:27] <diddledan> sucky
[12:27] <mungbean> yeah, 250 nodes turned off
[12:27] <jussi> we had multiple power failures here, it sucked
[12:27] <mungbean> where?
[12:28] <mungbean> was a brownout here that caused the prob
[13:16] <bigcalm> I can see my reply to your reply, popey. Mailman is weird
[13:16] <popey> It's not mailman
[13:16] <popey> IMO
[13:17] <bigcalm> I have no idea where my original post is though
[13:17] <popey> spam folder?
[13:17] <bigcalm> No :S
[13:17]  * bigcalm heads to gmail.com
[13:19] <bigcalm> Right
[13:19] <bigcalm> I can see it on gmail.com
[13:19]  * bigcalm grrs at Thunderbird
[13:24] <popey> bigcalm: its not thunderbird, it's google
[13:24] <popey> your thunderbird is looking at "inbox", not "all mail" I suspect
[13:24] <bigcalm> Newp, it's a folder/label
[13:25] <popey> same thing
[13:25] <popey> look in "All mail" and you'll see it
[13:26] <shauno> it's just the same as when you have a 1-on-1 convo with someone.  their replies are in the inbox, your replies are in the sent box, and google munges them both into a 'conversation' view
[13:26] <bigcalm> Oh, there it is :(
[13:26] <shauno> it's just the same with lists.  your reply isn't actually in that mailbox/folder/label/etc, but google can find it and peice it into the 'conversation'
[13:43] <bigcalm> popey: little bit of podcast feedback - I tried to watch the youtube video but found it to be distracting. Also the audio quality is a lot lower than the MP3. Good to see different things being tried, just didn't work for me
[13:44] <popey> yeah, the audio needs work
[13:44] <popey> it was cobbled together
[13:44] <popey> what was distracting?
[13:44] <bigcalm> The video. I find I can do other things while listening to some pod casts
[13:45] <bigcalm> Tony's video was a lot lower res than the others, couldn't read his name
[13:47] <popey> yeah, dunno why that was
[13:47] <popey> crappy camera or driver, dunno
[13:47] <bigcalm> Wah. My podcast directory is empty. All I have left to listen to are 38 eps of Richard Herring's Me1 vs Me2 snooker
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> Ooh, and that's a bad miss
[13:48] <popey> ☻
[13:48] <shauno> MartijnVdS: you're frequently more british than I am.  which of us should be worried?
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> shauno: I don't know.
[13:49] <bigcalm> Can anybody replicate this on 13.04? https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/369451966688014336
[13:50] <bigcalm> I'm trying to find an open bug before reporting it
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: trying, how did you get it like that?
[13:50] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I ran Software Updater from the dash
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> mine lists Chrome atm
[13:50] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: that's what I was greeted with
[13:51] <bigcalm> What's the gui's command? I'll try running it in a terminal in case there are errors
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> update-manager, I think
[13:52] <bigcalm> Ta
[13:52] <bigcalm> No errors in the terminal
[13:53] <diddledan> I keep getting the update manager icon appear in the dock telling me there's updates but clicking the icon won't open the window
[13:54] <bigcalm> diddledan: bug 420625
[13:55] <diddledan> nope, not that
[13:55] <diddledan> it really isn't visible at all
[13:55] <bigcalm> Ah, yes, I get that occasionally
[13:55] <bigcalm> I tend to kill the app and launch it myself
[13:55] <diddledan> ditto
[13:55] <bigcalm> I've been putting it down to my 3 monitor set-up
[13:55] <popey> interesting
[13:55] <popey> not seen that
[13:56] <popey> does it end up off screen or something perhaps?
[13:56] <bigcalm> Doesn't show up in the workspace switcher
[13:56] <popey> bring it to the front next time, then alt+space, m, to "move" the window
[13:56] <diddledan> popey, it won't focus
[13:56] <popey> no, off screen
[13:56] <mungbean> i hate update manager so much after they change the bahviour a couple of years ago
[13:56] <popey> not on another workspace, but completely off screen
[13:56] <bigcalm> I'll let you know if it happens again
[13:57] <diddledan> popey, clicking the update manager icon won't make the arrow appear on the right to indicate it has focus and the previous app still accepts input as though I've not focussed anything else
[13:58] <bigcalm> Back to my issue of update-manager not showing a list of packages but have the option to install. There are updates available via the CLI: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6002932/
[14:01] <bigcalm> Aha, found an open bug http://paste.ubuntu.com/6002932/
[14:01] <bigcalm> Oops
[14:01] <bigcalm> bug 1072136
[14:06] <bigcalm> diddledan: bug 989588
[15:41] <davmor2> So fatboy slim is dune fan,  weapon of choice contains the line "walk without rhythm, and it won't attract a worm"
[15:48] <mungbean> watched that again recently
[15:48] <directhex> lots of music people are huge nerds
[15:48] <mungbean> noiiiideeeeep
[15:48] <mgdm> Dune, or Weapon of Choice? :)
[15:48] <directhex> e.g. deadmau5 used to run a minecraft server
[15:48] <mgdm> I saw the WoC video quite a few times in the pub before i ever heard the song
[15:49] <directhex> the biggest nerd (physically) is still vin diesel though
[15:49] <mgdm> The drummer from Blur once committed code to the Linux kernel
[15:50] <diddledan> I like that will.i.am is advocating better education of nerdish subjects
[15:50] <mungbean> dave rowntree?
[15:50] <mgdm> mungbean: aye
[15:50] <mgdm> directhex: what's Vin's claim to nerd fame?
[15:50] <mungbean> mgdm: is the blur story true? source?
[15:51] <directhex> mgdm, big on D&D. *big* on d&d. wrote the foreword to '30 Years of Adventure: A "Celebration" of Dungeons & Dragons'. one of his tattoos in the movie xXx was the name of his D&D character of many years
[15:52] <mgdm> mungbean: it is true, haven't got time right now to find the source (as it were)
[15:52] <mgdm> directhex: heh, nice
[15:52] <mgdm> mungbean: remind me later if you remain unconvinced :)
[15:52] <directhex> e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36_-DauQi0s
[15:52] <mungbean> are "direct messages" on twitter relviatevly private?
[15:53] <mungbean> they don't appear on your feed anywhere do they
[15:53] <directhex> mungbean, as long as you don't mess up & make them public by accident :D
[15:53] <mungbean> (doesn't use twitter much)
[15:53] <SuperMatt> mungbean: they are indeed private
[15:53] <SuperMatt> but
[15:53] <SuperMatt> @ messages are public
[15:53] <SuperMatt> so make sure you do a direct message
[15:54] <mungbean> i have a friend who doesn't do email or fb but DMs me on twitter instead
[15:54] <MartijnVdS> @SuperMatt haha mungbean doesn't know how to send DMs :P
[15:54] <MartijnVdS> oh wait
[15:54] <mungbean> lol
[15:54] <SuperMatt> mungbean: that's... weird
[15:54] <mungbean> he sys he gets addicted to stuff easy
[15:55] <mungbean> and has made a pact with his missis
[15:55] <MartijnVdS> Can't you just call him instead? :)
[15:55] <mungbean> btu he's being legalistic as he uses twitter as if its email
[15:55] <mungbean> no, its just banter
[15:55] <mungbean> every couple of months we remininisce about uni
[15:57] <mungbean> i think they have a shared email inbod
[15:57] <mungbean> inbox
[15:58] <mungbean> you can tell people in the 35-44 age range as they got shared email accounts back in the day
[15:58] <mungbean> mainly<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:00] <daftykins> XD
[16:00] <mgdm> heh, I remember those
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> I even know people with shared fb accounts
[16:00] <daftykins> my main client used to have a freeserve business email address
[16:00] <daftykins> it was ridiculous as it had several portions as the hostname, like @freeserve.fsbusiness.net or something
[16:01] <mgdm> it was<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:02] <mgdm> various ISPs used to do the same, but they all went into the same POP3 mailbox
[16:02] <mgdm> ahh.. POP3, there's something I've not used in about 10 years
[16:02] <popey> i used to have<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:02] <popey> I miss that one
[16:02] <MartijnVdS> hahaha :)
[16:03] <daftykins> i do not miss POP3
[16:03] <MartijnVdS> popey: Story War will be shipping this week: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZx0sjIao9M
[16:03] <MartijnVdS> popey: (you kickstartered that as well, right?)
[16:03] <daftykins> thankfully i've got most i can moved onto google apps so i don't have to even backup email clients anymore \o/
[16:03] <mgdm> outsourcing your email is not a reason not to back it up :)
[16:04] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: what if I outsource that as well
[16:05] <daftykins> mgdm: in this case i mean when, say, reinstalling an OS. i won't arse about to backup the client beforehand
[16:05] <daftykins> whenever you get those jobs where someone uses a desktop client like Windows Mail / Outlook Express / Thunderbird - ugh
[16:05] <diddledan> my gmail inbox is over 3GigaNuts now
[16:06] <mgdm> daftykins: aaah, yes
[16:06] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: .pst file corruption!
[16:06] <diddledan> MartijnVdS, don't you dare!
[16:07] <popey> MartijnVdS: ya
[16:08] <daftykins> mgdm: although yeah, i guess i'm putting a lot of faith in them :>
[16:09] <directhex> what the hell is a .pst file?
[16:10] <MartijnVdS> directhex: it's what MS Outlook uses to store its profiles (including emails, etc.)
[16:10] <daftykins> i think he knows but is being facetious again :(
[16:10] <MartijnVdS> :(
[16:11] <daftykins> i've had to learn many of Outlook's little quirks over the years
[16:11] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: did you get hazard pay?
[16:11] <daftykins> clients tend to be unwilling to get along with just a web interface of google apps and want Outlook back
[16:11] <daftykins> haha if only
[16:12] <daftykins> the classic is when a clean install doesn't keep the list of emails that it'll guess when you start typign into the 'To' field
[16:12] <daftykins> which is naturally stored in a .NK2 file hidden within Application Data back in 2007 and before
[16:12] <daftykins> yet has been removed in more recent editions
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: just sign them up for the new on-line office stuff
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: if they REALLY want to keep MS stuff
[16:13] <daftykins> nah they get the Google Apps Sync for Outlook in with Google Apps
[16:13] <daftykins> so it's all good
[18:21] <diddledan> wow, sky recon they're gonna answer my call in "under 7 minutes"
[18:21] <zleap> i take it that is good
[18:22] <diddledan> it surprised me on two fronts, first they gave me theindication, and second it does seem rather quick
[18:34] <diddledan> and third they answered way before the 7 minute mark
[18:42] <daftykins> it's a real shame that ol' remote support program (VNC wrapper) 'gitso' hasn't been updated in forever
[18:42] <daftykins> actually there's a september 2012 deb, but not for the other OSs
[19:15] <directhex> okay then
[19:15] <directhex> TCO calculated, badgers tickled, spreadsheets spread... it's phone upgrade time for the wife, and i've worked out her optimal purchase choices
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> Ubuntu Edge?
[19:16] <daftykins> Nokia £20 dumbphone it is!
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> $60 firefox phone?
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> Tonight: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0391z20
[19:20] <daftykins> oh dear
[19:21] <daftykins> Horizon stuff is usually interesting but i suspect there shall be some pain in that one
[20:17] <mungbean> i'm getting flashbacks to when i supported end users
[20:17] <mungbean> woops hadnt scrolled down from 17:00
[20:18] <mungbean> daftykins: are you watching horizon? is it rubbish?
[20:19] <mungbean> want to know whether to save myself the hour
[20:20] <daftykins> i don't have live TV sir
[20:26] <mungbean> in watching flags of our fathers atm
[23:18] <daftykins> i think i discovered why a laptop doesn't charge
[23:18] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zfjep8kwwyonkmb/IMG-20130819-WA0003.jpg
[23:18] <daftykins> :>
[23:18] <daftykins> (that's a DC jack)
[23:23] <hamitron> I wanna know how someone manages to do that
[23:23] <hamitron> :/
[23:27] <daftykins> me also
[23:27] <daftykins> especially in a sealed unit


[01:50] <MaxDread> Greetings all... to fix some corrupted system files I just had to do a soft-install of Ubuntu 8.10 on this laptop (previously 8.04(?)). Everything was looking pretty good except when I clicked on Evolution Mail it mentioned something about migrating to SQLite, paused for a few seconds and then the window disappeared and the process bombed.
[01:51] <MaxDread> I'm in the process of doing all the updates, was wondering if anyone here was familiar with whether or not that would take care of the problem.
[01:53] <MaxDread> anyway, thanks in advance for any insight on that bug.
[02:05] <Rocket2DMn> MaxDread, after your updates, if the problem persists you should file a bug report
[02:05] <Rocket2DMn> for a program crash, you will need to get a backtrace - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[02:46] <gourgi> everytime i report a bug , the report is private. should i leave it that way or changing it to public ? in which cases reports should remain private ?
[02:49] <charlie-tca> gourgi: the report is private until it is verified that there is no personal data in it.
[02:50] <gourgi> so i should leave it that way, right?
[02:50] <charlie-tca> If you verify there are no passwords, bank accounts, private info you don't want released in it, you can mark it public
[02:50] <gourgi> charlie-tca how can i verify that?
[02:50] <charlie-tca> You have to look in every file that is attached.
[02:50] <gourgi> charlie-tca just looking inside the attachments?
[02:50] <charlie-tca> yeah
[02:51] <gourgi> ok , i'll have it in mind
[02:51] <gourgi> thanks
[02:51] <charlie-tca> you are welcome
[02:51] <charlie-tca> I have special test systems, so I turn the reports public each time.
[02:52] <gourgi> i actually my jaunty install is also in a test enviroment
[02:53] <charlie-tca> I use test passwords and have no information on those systems, so I know it does not matter.
[02:55] <gourgi> same here, so it is ok for now , but i'll definitely look reports from my real working pc.
[02:56] <gourgi> not that there are many things to report there :)  interpid is solid for me
[02:58] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I am cautious with the real system.
[06:11] <orsonj> I have had problems with ubuntu corrupting files on my Sansa c250. I can repeat a failure with simple steps every time.
[06:14] <orsonj> http://paste.ubuntu.com/113914/
[07:02] <orsonj> ok, I got a bug post, let me know if there is anything else I should do
[07:02] <orsonj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/325624
[08:33] <Hew> what sourcepackage is responsible for handling a modified menu.lst during kernel upgrades, is it debconf? (bug 325631)
[08:40] <Hobbsee> er, i think it's debconf
[08:41] <Hobbsee> Hew: I don't see how that's a bug?
[08:42] <Hobbsee> Hew: he hit cancel, it didn't change the config file.  Works as intended, i thought?
[08:42] <Hobbsee> (of course, it's not wise to hit the cancel button, but...)
[08:49] <Hew> Hobbsee: That's what I was about to say, but I've hit the cancel button myself before, it's a bit deceptive. I was going to have a look for any related bugs first.
[08:50] <Hew> Hobbsee: It's wishlist, if it's anything at all.
[08:50] <Hobbsee> Hew: such as "don't let people cancel during dist-upgrades"?  Yeah, possibly
[08:53] <Hew> Hobbsee: Well just for a new kernel. Cancelling leaves menu.lst as is, without the new kernel options. If that's what the user wants to do, they should select the "Do Nothing" option imo. Cancel and Forward (from memory) are not clear when you're looking at the merge differences and want to go back.
[12:54] <thekorn> happy hug day everybody!
[12:56]  * mangilimic huggs thekorn
[12:57] <mangilimic> oops
[12:57]  * mangilimic hugs thekorn
[12:58]  * mangilimic hugs everyone in the chatroom
[12:59]  * thekorn hugs mangilimic,
[12:59] <thekorn> awesome work sofar ::)
[13:00] <mangilimic> no, not at all! I hope I haven't made too many mistakes, so far!!!
[13:40] <hacktick> hey ara :)
[13:40] <ara> hey hacktick
[13:47] <pedro_> mangilimic: you rock!
[13:47]  * pedro_ hugs mangilimic
[13:51]  * mangilimic hugs pedro_
[15:02] <pedro_> MrKanister: hey how's going?
[15:03] <MrKanister> hi pedro_. well I am about to use the hugday-tools, but I can't find the cockie :P
[15:04] <MrKanister> *cookie
[15:04] <hggdh> ah, thanks, I was a bit surprised
[15:05] <pedro_> MrKanister: is at the ~/.mozilla/firefox/profile.default/ directory
[15:06] <pedro_> MrKanister: file name is cookies.sqlite
[15:07] <MrKanister> pedro_: I found that file, but how do I open it? Do I have to use sqlite ?
[15:07] <pedro_> MrKanister: no you don't have to open it, just pass the path to the hugday-tools
[15:09] <MrKanister> TypeError: Try to read cookiefile, cannot handle format of '/home/martin/.mozilla/firefox/gh09ina8.default/cookies.sqlite'
[15:10] <MrKanister> pedro_: I am always getting this error
[15:11] <MrKanister> pedro_: Doesn't work with the MOINMOIN-ID directly, either...
[15:11] <pedro_> ouch it works fine here
[15:11] <pedro_> thekorn: are you around?
[15:17] <hggdh> MrKanister, same here
[15:18] <pedro_> hggdh: using intrepid as well?
[15:18] <hggdh> pedro_, on jaunty
[15:18] <pedro_> i'm running jaunty and just checked out the hugday-tools branch from bzr
[15:19] <pedro_> and i don't have any problem
[15:19] <hggdh> ah, I installed from PPA. Perhaps an update in bzr?
[15:19] <MrKanister> pedro_: Maybe the branch has some fixes in it
[15:19] <pedro_> maybe, could you give it a try?
[15:22] <thekorn> pedro_: yes
[15:22] <MrKanister> Works with the bzr branch version
[15:22] <MrKanister> but using "--wiki-id" still doesn't work
[15:22] <pedro_> thekorn: MrKanister and hggdh are having some issues with hugday-tools
[15:22] <pedro_> may you have a look ? ;-)
[15:23] <thekorn> ok, reading the log
[15:23] <pedro_> thanks you !
[15:24] <thekorn> MrKanister: do you get any error message when you run hugday init --user NAME --cookie PATH ?
[15:25] <MrKanister> thekorn: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/102877/
[15:25] <MrKanister> thekorn: The problem with the cookie.sqplite file only appears with the ppa-version
[15:26] <thekorn> MrKanister: hmm, let me check
[15:29] <thekorn> MrKanister: ok, which version of python are you using
[15:30] <hggdh> thekorn, here it is 2.5.4
[15:30] <MrKanister> thekorn:  2.5.2-1ubuntu1
[15:30] <MrKanister> thekorn: I was wondering why huday-tools wants to have python2.4 installed
[15:31] <thekorn> MrKanister: because I'm bad at packaging stuff :(
[15:32] <thekorn> ok I did the packaging wrong,
[15:32] <MrKanister> thekorn: hm, that may have caused the problem
[15:33] <thekorn> with python < 2.4 you need python-pysqlite2
[15:33] <thekorn> pythoon >= 2.5 has sqlite on board
[15:33] <thekorn> and should work
[15:34] <MrKanister> thekorn: I will try that
[15:34] <MrKanister> thekorn: Thank you
[15:37] <MrKanister> thekorn: hm...doesn't work though
[15:37] <thekorn> MrKanister: same error?
[15:37] <MrKanister> thekorn: yes
[15:38] <thekorn> MrKanister: to be sure, 'only' the PPA version is broken, when you use it directly from the branch it works?
[15:39] <MrKanister> thekorn: Yes, "--cookie" works with the branch-version, but "--wiki-id" works with no version
[15:39] <thekorn> tzz, that's bad
[15:40] <MrKanister> with "--wiki-id" I get "hugday: error: The following options are not allowed for this tool: wiki_id"
[15:42] <thekorn> MrKanister: argh, this is another bug,
[15:42] <thekorn> looks likke a typo somewhere in the code
[15:42]  * thekorn does too much typos
[15:42] <MrKanister> thekorn: It's in line 77
[15:44] <MrKanister> thekorn: sorry, I was wrong
[15:45] <thekorn> yes, the typo is in ln 86
[15:45] <thekorn> it should be wiki_id there
[15:46] <MrKanister> thekorn: You are right, I mixed it up
[15:48] <MrKanister> thekorn: But apart from that the tool is great. thank you very much for it :)
[15:49] <thekorn> glad you like it
[15:49] <thekorn> I hope it helps
[15:51] <hggdh> question: bug 111494 why is it I cannot change the Importance?
[15:53] <MrKanister> hggdh: Maybe because it is the project, not the package? (just gessing)
[15:54] <hggdh> yeah, I think this may be it. But it seems I cannot change the importance on any of the update-manager bugs. How's an u-m hugday to go this way?
[15:55] <hggdh> pedro_, ^^
[15:55] <hggdh> (please ;-)
[15:56] <MrKanister> hggdh: Hmm, I am able to :P
[15:56] <MrKanister> (but only with packages, not with projects)
[15:57] <pedro_> hggdh: probably because you don't have permissions over the "upstream" project
[15:57] <pedro_> that's bad filed anyways
[15:57] <MrKanister> I added the package for ubuntu
[15:58] <pedro_> just close the upstream task, that's no sense
[15:58] <MrKanister> pedro_: done
[15:58] <hggdh> I thought about that, but there are many this way... so we will go closing all upstream
[15:58] <pedro_> MrKanister: thanks
[15:59] <pedro_> hggdh: i'll ask mvo about that
[16:19] <pedro_> hggdh, MrKanister just talked to mvo, he wants the upstream tasks to be closed and open a new ubuntu task for them with same status if they are confirmed or triage
[16:19] <pedro_> hggdh, MrKanister if they are too old just close them
[16:19] <bddebian> Boo
[16:20] <hggdh> pedro_, roger.
[16:20] <MrKanister> pedro_: Thanks
[16:22] <pedro_> hggdh, MrKanister thanks you guys, you are truly rockstars ;-)
[16:23] <MrKanister> pedro_: :)
[16:24] <thekorn> I think I will upload a new (and fixed) version of hugday-tools to my PPA later
[19:48] <hggdh> bug-huggers: we have 84 huggable update-manager bugs wrongly set to the upstream update-manager. They do no appear in the hug-list, but should still be looked at.
[19:48] <hggdh> please see https://bugs.launchpad.net/update-manager/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=datecreated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[19:52] <mangilimic> hggdh: what should we do in order to cope with this problem?
[19:54] <MrKanister> hggdh, mangilimic: Why is it possible at all to open a bug against a project?
[19:54] <hggdh> mangilimic, reject invalid the upstream u-m, and open an Ubuntu u-m task; then go on the usual process (asking for more info, etc)
[19:55] <mangilimic> hggdh: sorry! I read previous messages in IRC and understood what we should do! I apologize for this inconvenience!
[19:55] <hggdh> mangilimic, no prob
[19:56] <hggdh> MrKanister, they exist in LP, so people can open bugs against the upstream (in fact, we do that when we set an upstream bug watch). But -- generically speaking -- all new bugs on Ubuntu should be set against the Ubuntu package
[19:58] <MrKanister> hggdh: hm...Is it possible to make the package in a distribution compulsory?
[19:58] <MrKanister> (when filing a bug...)
[20:03] <hggdh> I was thinking of this also...
[20:03] <hggdh> if you open an Ubuntu bug, you *must* open it against an Ubuntu package
[20:04] <hggdh> I guess this will have to be discussed with Pedro, Brian, and the LP team (if not already reported against LP/Malone)
[20:09] <MrKanister> Thanks for the information
[20:09] <MrKanister> btw: nearly all the update-manager bugs now have a package assigned to
[20:13] <mangilimic> MrKanister: that's all for today! :)
[20:13] <MrKanister> mangilimic: hopefully ;)
[20:13] <MrKanister> mangilimic: but we now have a lot of new bugs
[20:14] <MrKanister> mangilimic: wow...https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090205 looks awesome
[20:14]  * MrKanister huggs mangilimic
[20:15] <mangilimic> MrKanister: It is 9 pm here! I'm in front of a display since 10am! I just want to go to rest! In the meantime...
[20:15]  * mangilimic hugs MrKanister
[20:15] <mangilimic> bye
[20:16] <MrKanister> he really did a great job...
[20:17] <hggdh> cool
[20:18] <hggdh> MrKanister, thanks. Being in the middle of a technical discussion the whole day, I have not been able to pay much attention to the bugs
[20:19] <MrKanister> hggdh: Never mind. You spotted the 90 bugs without an ubuntu package, that was also a big help :)
[20:19] <hggdh> heh
[20:20]  * hggdh bows to MrKanister
[20:20] <MrKanister> lol ^^
[20:26] <maxb> Hmm, I was just trying to requestsync bzr, and it looks like requestsync's "are you a member of ubuntu-core-dev" detection has broken. It wanted to subscribe ubuntu-archive instead of ubuntu-main-sponsors
[20:26] <MrKanister> I wonder what to do with 2 lonely gaim bugs, since it changed to pidgin (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gaim)
[20:28] <jpds> MrKanister: Invalid.
[20:28] <hggdh> MrKanister, move them to pidgin, ans ask if this is still an issue
[20:28] <greg-g> MrKanister: what hggdh said.
[20:28] <jpds> Hey greg-g!
[20:29] <greg-g> hello jpds
[20:29] <MrKanister> Thanks, you three
[20:29] <jpds> Long time ;-)
[20:29] <greg-g> :)
[20:34] <jpds> MrKanister: I think bug #97185 is definatly invalid, because it has been dropped since Dapper, although someone might want to SRU it.
[20:36] <MrKanister> jpds: thanks, them I am just closing it with a comment stating this
[20:37] <MrKanister> ok, it's already late. Bye bye
[20:53] <maxb> Could someone please try running python -c 'import ubuntutools.lp.functions as f; print f.isLPTeamMember("SOME-TEAM-YOU-ARE-NOT-A-MEMBER-OF")' and seeing if it unexpectedly claims you are a member of the team?
[20:57] <hggdh> maxb, got True trying to the desktop team (of which I am not a member)
[20:58] <maxb> yay :-(
[20:59] <hggdh> bug it...
[21:07] <maxb> riiiiight
[21:07] <hggdh> ;-)
[21:07] <maxb> So, if it messes up finding an actual valid launchpad cookie, and finds an old one you've logged out from, it just silently reports you are in any team
[21:08] <maxb> And it messes up if you have multiple firefox profiles, or a firefox profile that was formerly used by ff2, and happens to read them in an undesired order
[21:09] <hggdh> this may be the case -- I have 4 profiles right now
[21:09] <hggdh> and I have no idea of which one was selected...
[21:23] <maxb> LP 325923 filed
[22:35] <enyc> Does anybody recognize:   I have a working module option for '3c59x' in Ubuntu8.10 /etc/modprobe.d/options ... BUT -- it only works when i  rmmod/modprobe the module manually -- the file appears to be ignored at boot-time
[22:37] <charlie-tca> I recognize it, and think a bug is filed
[22:43] <enyc> charlie-tca: ;-)  do you have any idea where or with what keywords? i havent foind it yetn
[22:44] <charlie-tca> let me look
[22:44] <enyc> charlie-tca: *thankyou*
[22:55] <charlie-tca> Hmm, enyc , Can't find it. Could it have been in a message instead of a bug report?
[22:57] <enyc> charlie-tca: thankyou for looking....  i dont know  ... how do i find/search appropciate mailinglists?
[22:58] <charlie-tca> with great difficulty, I would try through gmane: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user
[22:59] <charlie-tca> That's the user-mailing list; they have others, too. It's easier than searching the archive
[23:58] <stpere> hi
[23:58] <stpere> anyone knows if evolution 2.24.4 will be included in 8.10?