[18:33] <fetido> EriC^^: ¿why do you guys have so many channel variants?
[18:34] <kostkon> !sorry | fetido
[18:34] <EriC^^> i guess so stuff is more organized
[18:34] <EriC^^> fetido: ^
[18:34] <pragmaticenigma> wewlad, nobody and users are more group categories than users. They are often used to demote privileges for a system process when a more dedicated user/group does not exist. The main purpose is to avoid running processes under the root privilege for system security.
[18:35] <EriC^^> fetido: 18.04 is unreleased so not many know about it, the guys in #ubuntu+1 should know more
[18:35] <andrew99> Hi
[18:35] <EriC^^> hello
[18:35] <kostkon> andrew99, hi
[18:35] <andrew99> can someone answer a question I have about  “Graphics Drivers” team ppa?
[18:35] <pragmaticenigma> fetido, There are different channels for specializing in specific areas and flavors of the Ubuntu ecosystem.
[18:36] <EriC^^> andrew99: ask the question
[18:36] <kostkon> andrew99, we don't support ppas per se but ask away and we'll see
[18:36] <andrew99> I want to know if the  “Graphics Drivers” team ppa is signed by canonical because of secure boot
[18:36] <fetido> pragmaticenigma: goti t
[18:36] <fetido> >got it
[18:37] <wewlad> pragmaticenigma: problem is that I mount a user-accessible dir with files to a docker container that builds an application in that folder, but the output is that some of the files are owned by root and thus are inaccessible to the user on host machine, I thought I could do `sudo chown -R nobody:nobody` onto that dir to make it accessible by all users, but turns out it's not working like that, so for now I did 'sudo chown -R `whoami`:`who
[18:37] <wewlad> ami`'
[18:37] <wewlad> but that solution sucks
[18:37] <wewlad> anyways, thank you for your answer, pragmaticenigma
[18:39] <pragmaticenigma> wewlad, There are ways to mount directories so they use a proper user account. Depending on what you are attempting to do will depend on how you mount the directory
[18:39] <pragmaticenigma> wewlad, otherwise, files are written and given permission based on the user account that create those files
[18:40] <wewlad> pragmaticenigma: I am using official `node` docker image and it's default user is root, I dunno if there are more users in that image, but even if there are - it means I'll have to create my own dockerfile and docker image from it, while I wanted to keep things simple
[18:41] <andrew99> It seems to be working but I want to be sure that secure boot is enforced
[18:42] <EriC^^> andrew99: if it's enabled in the bios then it's enabled
[18:42] <pragmaticenigma> andrew99, PPAs have no effect on Secure Boot... Secure Boot is concerned with booting the operating system only
[18:42] <andrew99> yes its enabled on the bios
[18:42] <andrew99> to my knowlege the nvidia driver loads a module into the kernel
[18:42] <andrew99> under secure boot
[18:43] <andrew99> only signed modules are allowed
[18:43] <pragmaticenigma> PPA signing is to ensure that the packages being offered by a PPA are authorized to do so in case a malicious 3rd party was able to manipulate the packages.
[18:43] <andrew99> Ive read on the ubuntu wiki
[18:44] <pragmaticenigma> driver signing is a different matter entirely. modules loaded by the kernel occur after UEFI has validated
[18:44] <andrew99> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot
[18:46] <andrew99> "Unsigned modules are simply refused by the kernel. Any attempt to insert them with insmod or modprobe will fail with an error message. "
[18:47] <pragmaticenigma> andrew99, that's kernel level, not UEFI
[18:50] <andrew99> "Once loaded, validated kernels will disable the firmware's Boot Services, thus dropping privileges and effectively switching to user mode; where access to trusted variables is limited to read-only. Given the broad permissions afforded to kernel modules, any module not built into the kernel will also need to be validated upon loading. Modules built and shipped by Canonical with the official kernels are signed by the Canonical UEFI
[18:50] <andrew99> so are the nvidia modules signed?
[18:51] <andrew99> "Custom-built modules will require the user to take the necessary steps to sign the modules before they loading them is allowed by the kernel. This can be achieved by using the 'kmodsign' command "
[18:55] <andrew99> It seems DKMS does the signing
[18:55] <andrew99> "Some projects may require the use of custom kernel drivers that are not set up in such a way as to work with DKMS. In these cases, people should make use of the tools included in the shim-signed package: the update-secureboot-policy script is available to generate a new MOK"
[18:55] <andrew99> Am I right?
[18:57] <nacc> andrew99: this might be better asked in #ubuntu-kernel
[18:58] <nacc> i would believe the ubuntu provided nvidia drivers would work with secureboot, but i don't know that for a fact
[18:59] <kostkon> andrew99, why do you want to use the ones from the PPA
[19:01] <ballistic> Hey guys
[19:02] <ballistic> i kinda messed up, i have gotten myself into a little issue here - i managed to make my domain point to my ip and my wordpress site to my domain
[19:02] <Exterminador> hello guys. I have a vps and to mount an external volume they advise to use: mkdir -p /mnt/data && mount /dev/vdb /mnt/data, but i'd like to know if it's possible to mount the extra volume as an "extension" of the main disk, in a matter of speaking or if that's the correct way to do things.
[19:03] <pragmaticenigma> kostkon, The Graphics Driver PPA is contains the same graphics card specific drivers that you can get direct from the vendor. The packages are fined tuned to work better with Ubuntu. Essentially it's the same as going to nvidia and downloading their driver install. But if there are any conflicts or issues, the Graphics Driver team may have ironed them out a little better for Ubuntu
[19:06] <nacc> Exterminador: what do you mean by 'extension'?
[19:06] <Exterminador> nacc, like if the 2 volumes were one
[19:06] <tomreyn> Exterminador: you could make a partition on the primary disk as well as the secondary disk (or a partitionon it) LVM PVs, which would then allow you to create a file system spanning both disks.
[19:06] <nacc> Exterminador: you'd use LVM for that
[19:07] <nacc> Exterminador: but you'd lose your existing data, i believe, to do taht
[19:07] <tomreyn> well you could do it using gparted, in a two step conversion, but it's complicated.
[19:07] <Exterminador> oh damn.. so, the way they advise is really the best approach?
[19:07] <lordcirth_work> If the new disk is bigger, you could format it LVM, move your data onto it, then extend onto the old disk?
[19:08] <nacc> Exterminador: well it really depends on what you need/want
[19:08] <nacc> lordcirth_work: yes, that's true
[19:08] <nacc> or if you have backups of the data, it may not matter
[19:09] <tomreyn> ballistic: this isn't really ubuntu related, nor do you seem to be asking a question.
[19:09] <Exterminador> i just need to know is if when one disk starts to run low in space if the other one will be automatically used..
[19:09] <Exterminador> or if the OS kinda divide things
[19:10] <nacc> Exterminador: well, it depends, in the case of their recommendation, on where you are running out of disk (the paths)
[19:10] <tomreyn> Exterminador: you wont be able to make the two disks into a single disks unless you'll use LVM or RAID.
[19:11] <Exterminador> well, i'll do what they recommend and see :D
[19:11] <philippirrip> hi I cannot create a gpg key as a non root user? artful https://gist.github.com/iHeartEstella/c5eb15edfe4b920e9cd6cd7cb9e8fabe
[19:12] <andrew99> I use the ones from the ppa because they are newer and still seem to work under secure boot, i'm just curious how it is working, im going to ask in #ubuntu-kernel Thank you all
[19:12] <nacc> philippirrip: i doubt that's true in general
[19:13] <nacc> philippirrip: are you doing this in a cntainer or a real system?
[19:13] <Exterminador> is this correct to auto mount the disk on boot? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/m6ZBMXPD4r/
[19:14] <jibin2706_> hi
[19:15] <nacc> Exterminador: it seems right, but i've not used that specifically
[19:15] <jibin2706_> anyone?
[19:15] <nacc> Exterminador: also NBD, i assume, not NDB :)
[19:15] <jibin2706_> ???
[19:15] <nacc> jibin2706_: you haven't asked a question..
[19:15] <tomreyn> !ask | jibin2706_
[19:15] <jibin2706_> lol
[19:15] <hashworks> Hi! I have a user on the phone that has Ubuntu 15.10. Since this release is end of life I wanted him to upgrade to Xenial with do-release-upgrade, however he is missing apt
[19:15] <hashworks> The required dependency 'apt (>= <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2)' is not installed.
[19:15] <hashworks> I'm an archlinux guy so no idea about ubuntu package management
[19:16] <hashworks> He said he can't install apt
[19:16] <hashworks> Any idea?
[19:16] <tomreyn> hashworks: use apt-get
[19:16] <nacc> !eolupgrade | hashworks
[19:16] <jibin2706_> if i logiin again with same userid will i get my messages?
[19:16] <nacc> jibin2706_: what do you mean by messages?
[19:16] <tomreyn> hashworks: s/he should rather reinstall, though
[19:16] <jibin2706_> irc message
[19:17] <nacc> jibin2706_: uh, that completely depends on what you are using for your client, etc.
[19:17] <nacc> jibin2706_: by default? probably not
[19:17] <jibin2706_> thanks man!
[19:18] <nacc> jibin2706_: that's not really about ubuntu but about your irc client, fwiw
[19:18] <jibin2706_> but somewhere a form asked me about IRC nickname on Freenode so what should i put there
[19:19] <tomreyn> !register | jibin2706_
[19:19] <philippirrip> I think there is something else I am doing incorrectly. oh well
[19:20] <hashworks> nacc: Thanks
[19:20] <tomreyn> philippirrip: use gnupg2, gpg is legacy
[19:21] <tomreyn> philippirrip: oh you already do, sorry
[19:22] <hashworks> tomreyn: Yeah I told him to check out the link and noted your suggestion, I guess he'll reinstall now
[19:22] <hashworks> It's the laptop from his grandma afaik, so I guess there won't be much loss :D
[19:22] <jibin2706_> whats server tab
[19:22] <Exterminador> this seems okay? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cvK88mzQtq/
[19:24] <tomreyn> Exterminador: okay in which way?
[19:25] <Exterminador> i mean the mount paths and so
[19:25] <tomreyn> Exterminador: it's not showing obvious mistakes. buut it all depends on what you are trying to achive.
[19:25] <pragmaticenigma> philippirrip, makes the folder ~/.gnupg is read and writeable to your user, as well as the files secring.gpg and pubring.gpg in that folder are also writeable
[19:26] <pragmaticenigma> philippirrip, * that should have started with "make sure the... "
[19:34] <Exterminador> tomreyn: I'm just hoping that the snaps that I'm going to install and so use the totality (100Gb) than just the 50Gb of /
[19:38] <tomreyn> Exterminador: this wont work in the current setup, no
[19:38] <Exterminador> :/
[19:39] <Exterminador> only LVM would work?
[19:41] <Exterminador> but I have no idea how to use LVM and stuff. and the problem is that the server has already some things installed (not very important tho)
[19:42] <BelaDona> dental floss
[19:42] <nacc> BelaDona: wrong channel again?
[19:43] <nacc> Exterminador: this is for snaps?
[19:43] <Exterminador> nacc: I'll use it also for WordPress and Matrix
[19:43] <Exterminador> basically, I want to make the 2 disks to be one
[19:45] <nacc> Exterminador: well, i mean your snaps consumption on disk is all in /var/lib/snaps ... they get mounted (squashfs) into /snap
[19:45] <nacc> Exterminador: if you really want two disks into one you would need to use RAID or LVM, as mentioned alrady
[19:46] <Exterminador> alright, I'm going to try to use LVM and see
[19:48] <lordcirth_work> Exterminador, why not mount /var/lib/snaps from the other disk?  Sorry if I missed part of this convo
[19:48] <lordcirth_work> I started CCSM and my desktop crashed...
[19:55] <BelaDona> i''m sorry i missed that message
[19:55] <guest-xxp1x4> lol
[19:55] <guest-xxp1x4> hello
[20:00] <VMITIC> Hi, all! I have no wifi connection on my laptop hp 15-bs036ng.
[20:00] <VMITIC> Contains Realtek Radio Model: RTL 8732DE
[20:01] <VMITIC> It runs Xubuntu 16.04
[20:01] <VMITIC> It would be nice if someone could help me to fix this problem. Thanks in advance
[20:04] <ioria> VMITIC, DE or BE ?
[20:05] <anonnumberanon> Hi I have this Debian install to play with, no risk of damaging the OS. Trying to get the W530 nvidia laptop to use several external monitors. What should I do? When i plug in a Ubuntu live CD the screens get detected and used automatically but with this Debian I have to set it up myself.
[20:06] <pragmaticenigma> anonnumberanon, this channel is for ubuntu support. not debian.
[20:06] <pragmaticenigma> !debian
[20:06] <VMITIC> ioria, DE
[20:07] <qswz> I'd like to keep verrnum always enabled
[20:07] <qswz> it seems I press on it, unintentionally, and disable it
[20:08] <qswz> make me mad every time
[20:08] <nacc> qswz: wat is verrnum?
[20:08] <nacc> *what
[20:08] <qswz> oh sryy, the numpad lock key
[20:08] <qswz> NumLock in english I thin
[20:08] <cheguacamole> "Hello I've been using a live-OS-with-persistent-storage-maker from inside windows 7. I'd like to be able to make it without the Lili utility." <<< sorry I know is wrong syntax.  Can someone help me tidy up the syntax / condense it so that I can google the procedures myself.
[20:09] <nacc> qswz: ah
[20:09] <nacc> qswz: sometimes it's a bios seeting
[20:09] <qswz> sometimes it becomes disabled, I don't even know why
[20:10] <qswz> I'll check bios ok
[20:10] <nacc> qswz: it can depend on whether there is a numlock enabled device or not, i expect
[20:10] <nacc> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NumLock
[20:10] <brightspark> qswz: create a custom keyboard layout, exactly the same as your current one, but with verrnum mapped to null-effect
[20:10] <qswz> ok, other possiblilty thx
[20:11] <qswz> I hope there's nothing else that disable it, else I'd be screwed
[20:12] <brightspark> qswz: if it gets disabled by another means, switch to your original keyboard layout and reenable
[20:12] <qswz> Ok thanks will do
[20:14] <qswz> I'll also remap my stupid top-left ² key to ` :)
[20:15] <TheWild> hello
[20:15] <qswz> http://nohello.com
[20:15] <qswz> :p
[20:15] <nacc> TheWild: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[20:16] <TheWild> Ubuntu, oh, Ubuntu. I tested how Blender work on it and again, Ubuntu 16.04.3 - Blender works without flaw. Ubuntu 16.04.4 - graphical glitches.
[20:16] <qswz> try latest
[20:16] <Duzzy> Hey, "systemd[1]: Starting Daily apt activities..." where are those scheduled in 16.04?
[20:17] <TheWild> I tested 17.10.1. It's stability made me go back to 16.*
[20:17] <VMITIC> Hi, all! I have no wifi connection on my laptop hp 15-bs036ng. Contains Realtek Radio Model: RTL 8732DE. It runs Xubuntu 16.04 LTS. It would be nice if someone could help me to fix this problem. Thanks in advance
[20:17] <TheWild> especially tty switching problem
[20:17] <tomreyn> VMITIC: cn you show the output of:  lspci -nn | grep -i net
[20:17] <TheWild> The graphics. If it's NVidia again the why it worked properly in 16.04.3?
[20:17] <nacc> TheWild: 16.04.3 and 16.04.4 are different kernels
[20:18] <hatter82> anyone no anything about vidalia for tor
[20:18] <tomreyn> VMITIC: also that of: lsb_release -ds
[20:18] <VMITIC> tomreyn, give me a second,i have to plug in. Can i share a pic?
[20:18] <TheWild> ugh... but does that .4 mean newer version or just different kernel?
[20:19] <tomreyn> !paste Text is preferred, but if you have no network connection yet, an image works, too. | VMITIC
[20:19] <nacc> TheWild: .4 is a snapshot in time, really
[20:19] <nacc> TheWild: so it refers to the 4th dotrelease of 16.04, which was when the hwe stack for 16.04 was updated to match 17.10
[20:19] <tomreyn> !paste | VMITIC
[20:19] <nacc> !hwe | TheWild
[20:20] <VMITIC> tomreyn, no network. thanks
[20:20] <TheWild> I just wish it gets fixed in 18.* release
[20:20] <nacc> TheWild: well, it can't be fixed if there's no bug, and you can test 18.04 as well
[20:21] <TheWild> I'll test once it is released
[20:22] <nacc> TheWild: ... well then it's hard to know if the bug you are seeing is fixed or would be before the release
[20:23] <VMITIC> tomreyn, https://imgur.com/iCZYWau
[20:23] <VMITIC> tomreyn, ok?
[20:24] <cheguacamole> Hi am trying to make a new ISO of lubuntu without using the FOR DUMMIES utility I have been using, and increase the persistent memory storage to at least 8 GB on a USB stick. Has anyone much experience with this?
[20:25] <TheWild> it feels like either Blender or Ubuntu didn't get double-buffering right. Blender randomly switches between current and previous displayed frame even when I just move a mouse.
[20:26] <Bashing-om> cheguacamole: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1958073 will be of interest .
[20:26] <cheguacamole> tyvm Bashing-om.
[20:27] <tomreyn> VMITIC: yes, give me a minute to look things up.
[20:28] <TJ-> Has anyone noticed on 14.04, 16.04, +,  policykit ignoring /etc/polkit-1/localauthority.conf.d/* files still being a problem? bug #793792
[20:28] <tomreyn> VMITIC: according to the output, you have both the wireless but also a wired (ethernet) network controller. i suggest you connect an ethernet cable for now.
[20:28] <happy_hacker> from where can I d/l teamviewer?
[20:29] <oerheks> VMITIC, you need the r8168-dkms package..
[20:29] <oerheks> !info r8168-dkms
[20:29] <qswz> brightspark: I remember I messed with /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols for remapping keyboard, is it the recommended way? or rather xmodmap?
[20:29] <oerheks> and you need to do that by wired networking :-)
[20:30] <ioria> VMITIC,   #6 should work   ... https://askubuntu.com/questions/961299/cannot-see-my-wifi-10ecd723-when-trying-ubuntu
[20:30] <oerheks> !info r8168-dkms xenial
[20:30] <TheWild> okay, no big fire. Blender has some settings. I set "Window Draw Method" from "Automatic" to "Triple Buffer" and, at least for now, it seems not glitching anymore.
[20:32] <qswz> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Custom%20keyboard%20layout%20definitions#Editing_an_existing_layout
[20:32] <happy_hacker> can someone help diagnose why this crashes: http://ix.io/10af
[20:33] <VMITIC> ioria, thanks. I will test it #6.
[20:34] <tomreyn> VMITIC: you'll need to have internet access to make this work. or download files from the internet using a different computer and place them on a storage the one without wireless can access.
[20:34] <tomreyn> VMITIC: so connect it to ethernet first of all
[20:34] <VMITIC> tomreyn, i am trying to set the router as repeater. Or i will use the phone as usb tethering
[20:35] <ioria> VMITIC,  an ethernet cable would be easier
[20:36] <VMITIC> ioria, give me a minute
[20:37] <micros> Hi.  If a parent process has 10 children, and those children call printf(), then, by redirecting the parent processes std out to a file; e.g. parentproc > logs.txt, i can obtain the logs of all the children.  How could i do this programatically (high level) so that I could perhaps funnel the captured logs in to a circular shared memory or something and dump to disk later.  I could use a pipe,
[20:37] <micros> but then I would need a pipe for each child process and there are about 60 of them, it also seems as though the parent already has access to its childrens stdout.  Thoughts?  I guess i could pipe it in to another process, but i was hoping to handle it from within the parent.
[20:37] <brightspark> qswz: I don't know that there is a "recommended way" as such.   But my inclination would be with /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols and /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml
[20:37] <pragmaticenigma> happy_hacker, would you please post that to a well known pastebin site such as pastebin.com
[20:38] <oerheks> teamviewer needs to be run with sudo
[20:38] <oerheks> lolz
[20:38] <VMITIC> ioria, i am online
[20:39] <ioria> VMITIC,  uname -r
[20:39] <oerheks> or with systemD.. https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2362977&p=13653252#post13653252
[20:39] <leftyfb> oerheks: only the service, not the client
[20:39] <oerheks> he is running something from comandline, so i assume he wants to run the service to give access ..
[20:39] <VMITIC> ioria, 4.13.0-37-generic
[20:40] <ioria> VMITIC,  ok, let's try ? https://github.com/smlinux/rtl8723de
[20:40] <VMITIC> i have to install hexchat on xubuntu
[20:40] <pragmaticenigma> oerheks, given the screenname and requesting about team viewer and sending sketchy looking links... I wouldn't do anything until with that until they respond
[20:41] <pragmaticenigma> micros, this is a support channel regarding Ubuntu, it's software and supported packages. A question such as yours may find better answers being posted to stackoverflow
[20:43] <micros> thanks pragmaticenigma
[20:45] <VMITIC> ioria, is xubuntu good choice for this kind of hardware. I wanted something light and good looking. And btw, done. Rebooting, finger crossed
[20:45] <ioria> VMITIC,  your ram , cpu and video card ?
[20:47] <anonnumberanon> I have the Ubuntu task bar on both of my monitors, can I display it only on one monitor?
[20:47] <anonnumberanon> (the launcher)
[20:48] <VMITIC_> ioria, hp 15-bs036ng: 4 GByte Ram, Intel Celeron N3060 (2 cores) i think no video card
[20:48] <VMITIC_> ioria, still no wifi networks :(
[20:49] <ioria> VMITIC,  xubuntu is ok;   can you paste sudo lshw -C Network ?
[20:49] <oerheks> anonnumberanon, yes, in systemsettings > dock you can select that
[20:50] <anonnumberanon> oerheks, I fixed my problem by googling so sorry
[20:50] <oerheks> and the extra tweak tool gives more options too
[20:50] <anonnumberanon> it's in Displays, then select the extra monitor and disable the launcher there
[20:50] <oerheks> oh, 16.04
[20:51] <tomreyn> VMITIC_: be sure to also: sudo update-pciids
[20:51] <oerheks> it is a prety good re-write of the systemsettings, 17.10
[20:52] <Silmarillion> Is the performing of a partition alignment on the SSD i am going to install Ubuntu on a proper idea. The SSD is new and devoid of any operating system.
[20:52] <mitic> ioria, Hi, its me: "VMITIC" I am now on the laptop, with no wifi.
[20:52] <ioria> VMITIC,   can you paste sudo lshw -C Network ?
[20:52] <oerheks> Silmarillion, if you let ubuntu use the free space, alignment issues are over
[20:52] <mitic> ioria, Downloaded daily snapshot dated 2018-03-15 03:15:02
[20:53] <ioria> VMITIC,   daily snapshot of what ?
[20:54] <Silmarillion> Should I use the PAT software provided on mini disc (cdrom) to partition the SSD prior to installation? I plan on having a separate /home folder and a 4GB swap, that is why i feel the need to ask this question.
[20:55] <Silmarillion> the alignment will be performed on 256 GB SSD/Toshiba with Paragon Alignment Tools.
[20:56] <Silmarillion> I have to have the swap (it is a notebook - and circa 2005)
[20:56] <mitic> ioria, https://pastebin.com/5fyaGZmn
[20:57] <mitic> ioria, I hope i did it right
[20:57] <Bashing-om> Silmarillion: Quite frankly, I partition SSDs with gparted in the liveUSB .
[20:57] <oerheks> i guess those tools are for mac/windows? " It is important to note that Toshiba does not recommend or endorse Paragon Software or any other 3 rd party vendor or 4K alignment utility."
[20:58] <oerheks> i see not why one uses those tools other than with transferring windows-to-ssd
[20:58] <qswz> brightspark: ok thx
[20:58] <tomreyn> mitic: see above
[20:59] <ioria> mitic,  have you run the 5 commands as in the link posted (https://github.com/smlinux/rtl8723de ) ?
[21:00] <Silmarillion> there are partition alignment tools inclusive
[21:00] <mitic> ioria, yes
[21:00] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition is a good start
[21:00] <Silmarillion> I only have 2.56 of RAM
[21:00] <ioria> mitic,  no idea then, sy
[21:01] <mitic> ioria, thank you for your help!
[21:01] <mitic> ioria, and time!
[21:01] <ioria> mitic,  no problem
[21:02] <Silmarillion> I read the Linux Magazine article. Thank you oerheks, i will check that link out, as well.
[21:02] <tomreyn> mitic: sudo modprobe -v 8723de
[21:02] <Silmarillion> Wouldn't it be easier to partition it accordingly prior to installation.
[21:02] <oerheks> Silmarillion, sure, boot into live mode first :-)
[21:03] <Silmarillion> And perform the alignment prior to the installation of linux OS?
[21:03] <Silmarillion> Or..not?
[21:05] <supernovah> What are .so.6? Are they like libraries for ubuntus?
[21:05] <Silmarillion> Oh, yeah, oerheks, i can boot Ubuntu Live distro on my old Machine.
[21:05] <BelaDona> yes
[21:05] <BelaDona> at the vending machine one can find a library for ubotu
[21:06] <nacc> BelaDona: please stop.
[21:06] <nacc> supernovah: do you know what .so files are generally?
[21:06] <Silmarillion> I can do same on my next install on a newer notebook that has UEFI BIOS.
[21:06] <Silmarillion> You are a champ, oerheks!
[21:06] <supernovah> nacc: not exactly, I work in embedded, not linux
[21:06] <supernovah> so = shared object I'm guessing
[21:07] <nacc> supernovah: right
[21:07] <supernovah> so why the sub-extension
[21:07] <supernovah> so.6, so.0, so.0.0 etc
[21:07] <nacc> supernovah: the .so.X is the ABI version
[21:07] <supernovah> oic
[21:08] <Silmarillion> I love ubuntu (xubuntu the flavor I savor!)
[21:08] <VMITIC_> tomreyn, it works now. Many thanks to ioria for the help. He/ she is not online :(
[21:08] <nacc> supernovah: there is some documentation at https://autotools.io/libtool/version.html and other similar places, i tink
[21:08] <supernovah> nacc: btw I Realise this has little to do with linux lol
[21:08] <Silmarillion> Many thanx, channel.  Loads of fun.
[21:09] <nacc> supernovah: there is also ##linux for non-ubuntu specific questions, as well as probably toolchain specific channels
[21:09] <matyd> I did the normal sudo apt-get update/upgrade last night and now everytime my laptop sleeps there is an authentication failure and i have to switch to the greeter to log back in, any fix for this?
[21:09] <Silmarillion> Well i better away and get started.
[21:09] <matyd> 16.04.04 Ubuntu
[21:10] <Silmarillion> Thank you fellow mIRC'kers!
[21:10] <VMITIC_> tomreyn, thank you for the help
[21:11] <VMITIC_> Many thanks to this channel! I love it!
[21:11] <VMITIC_> i hope ioria is onlone somedays, so i can tell him that it worked
[21:11] <tomreyn> VMITIC_: welcome. also read https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Wireless-and-Networking/Realtek-8723DE-wifi-module-Linux-driver-available-now-Ubuntu/td-p/6477307 for another driver option, which may be more up to date.
[21:12] <anonymous__> HOLA
[21:12] <VMITIC_> tomreyn, should i try the new one?
[21:13] <tomreyn> VMITIC_: if it works fine now, i don't think you need to.
[21:13] <VMITIC_> tomreyn, i don't want to change it and mess it up :D
[21:13] <tomreyn> VMITIC_: that's fine with me!
[21:14] <matyd> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1733557
[21:14] <matyd> nvm, apparently it's an issue that is awaiting to be resolved?
[21:15] <VMITIC_> tomreyn, i am glad to meet this Chat. I try since days to solve the problem.
[21:16] <tomreyn> VMITIC_: i can imagine, this chipset is very new and support for it is not mainlined, yet.
[21:16] <VMITIC_> tomreyn, is xubuntu right decision for this laptop? 4 GByte Ram, Intel Celeron N3060 (2 cores) i think no video card
[21:18] <tomreyn> VMITIC_: it should be ok, it's probably a better choice than the default desktop environement since this is more taxing and this computer is short on resources.
[21:19] <VMITIC_> tomreyn, thanks for the comment
[21:23] <tomreyn> VMITIC_: once you got a spare EUR 35,- (120 GB) or 55,- (240 GB), i'd suggest replacing the 5400 rpm HDD by a SSD, this will feel much faster.
[21:24] <PeTeR_I> 55 Euro where amazon.??
[21:25] <oerheks> not the speed, but 0 sec seektime is such a breeze
[21:26] <VMITIC_> tomreyn, i know tnx. But it's just a laptop for the University, PDf files and scripts. But I will think about it, because it's really slow. I can't even use it with win10
[21:28] <zumba_addict> Afternoon folks. I'm using Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS. I'm currently cross compiling a software for an old linux which doesn't have gcc and make. The target machine is using glibc 2.5.3. What are some solutions I can try so I can compile it using an old version of glibc?
[21:28] <nacc> zumba_addict: a) you should be on 16.04.4 (if you're fully up to date)
[21:28] <nacc> zumba_addict: b) use a VM or container?
[21:29] <zumba_addict> yes, i'm using virtualbox
[21:29] <nacc> zumba_addict: i mean, use a VM or container for the older release
[21:29] <nacc> zumba_addict: wait sorry, your statement is also confusing; what do you mean you're cross-compiling for an old linux?
[21:29] <zumba_addict> i'm sorry, I'm lost. I just want to compile a program against an different version of glibc
[21:30] <nacc> zumba_addict: what possible application that you might ever care about is using glibc 2.5.3 ??
[21:31] <nacc> zumba_addict: 2007-era software?
[21:31] <zumba_addict> I'm compiling an old version of squid. The cross compiled binary worked until I added openssl. I got this message - /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.7' not found (required by /opt/openssl-cc/lib/libcrypto.so.1.0.0)
[21:31] <zumba_addict> even before that year :D
[21:31] <nacc> zumba_addict: you're still doing this?
[21:31] <zumba_addict> yes
[21:31] <nacc> zumba_addict: and it's still not an ubuntu support topic, afaict :)
[21:31] <zumba_addict> the last hurdle is glibc
[21:31] <nacc> zumba_addict: which is a giant hurdle...
[21:32] <zumba_addict> but I was hoping I can ask for help it's glibc in ubuntu
[21:32] <zumba_addict> i read it's the dll hell in linux :(
[21:32] <nacc> zumba_addict: the glibc in ubuntu is fine
[21:32] <nacc> zumba_addict: your application or its dependnecies wants to use some ancient version, which is not in ubuntu
[21:32] <zumba_addict> that's the reason why I want to use 2.5.3 which is on the target linux
[21:33] <zOZ> >3
[21:33] <zumba_addict> but not sure if downgrading glibc on ubuntu just to get it working will be ok
[21:33] <zumba_addict> the ubuntu is only on my machine
[21:34] <zOZ> can't turn on my wireless
[21:34] <zOZ> help?
[21:34] <zumba_addict> or maybe, I'll use an old version of openssl
[21:34] <Doginal> why in the hell would ubuntu SSO not allow me to login anywhere but at “login.ubuntu.com”?
[21:35] <Doginal> anywhere i try to login with my account i either get invalid oauth or no such account?!
[21:36] <zumba_addict> from my understanding of the error I encountered, it's saying that the /lib/libc.so.0 doesn't support version 2.7
[21:39] <nacc> zumba_addict: if you downgrade glibc i'm fairly sure your systme will break  horribly
[21:39] <zumba_addict> that's what I thought too
[21:39] <nacc> zumba_addict: and you *can't* downgrade glibc to that version without building it yourself, which is not a good idea
[21:40] <nacc> Doginal: where else are you trying?
[21:40] <zumba_addict> ok, I guess I'll have to download an older version of linux that uses glibc 2.5.3
[21:40] <tomreyn> !details | zOZ
[21:41] <Doginal> @nacc, through jaas and https://rocket.ubuntu.com/channel/conjure-up
[21:41] <nacc> zumba_addict: the error is your openssl library is dependent on GLIBC_2.7 (which is probably not in 2.5.3, fwiw) being in the libc shared object
[21:41] <zumba_addict> yup
[21:41] <zOZ> I'm using 16.04 any time i want to turn on the wifi it goes off
[21:41] <zumba_addict> maybe, if i statically compile openssl so that it will include glibc?
[21:42] <nacc> zumba_addict: well, to do that, you'd need the glibc it depends, i assume
[21:42] <nacc> zumba_addict: this all seems like a terrible idea, still, and i'm now fairly confident is not an ubuntu support topic
[21:42] <zumba_addict> i thought that with static, it's going to make the binary bigger since it will add it
[21:42] <tomreyn> zOZ: are you currently working on this computer which you are trying to fix the wireless on?
[21:42] <zumba_addict> it's not, sorry
[21:42] <zumba_addict> but was hoping to get ideas
[21:42] <nacc> zumba_addict: you might try ##linux, as this doesn't really have anything to do with ubuntu -- you simply want to build really old software on modern software
[21:43] <zumba_addict> ok, i'll try it again there
[21:43] <zOZ> yeah
[21:43] <zumba_addict> thanks nacc
[21:43] <nacc> zumba_addict: yw
[21:43] <zOZ> tomreyn
[21:43] <urgodfather> hello everyone.... is there a way to lock a program so that the close "X" doesnt work?
[21:43] <urgodfather> or would that be done via the program itself?
[21:43] <tomreyn> zOZ: okay, you can respond to me personally by putting my nickname in front, like so: tomreyn: blahblahblah
[21:44] <Doginal> now im getting “TypeError: profile.nameIDFormat.indexOf is not a function”
[21:44] <tomreyn> zOZ: so this computer apparently has another way to get it online, right? are you running ubuntu on it right now?
[21:44] <zOZ> tomreyn: ok
[21:44] <urgodfather> zOZ: just a neat trick you can type the first few letters of the name and hit tab
[21:45] <zOZ> urgodfather: cool
[21:45] <urgodfather> zOZ: yw
[21:45] <tomreyn> urgodfather: t0maw wont appreciate ;)
[21:46] <zOZ> tomreyn, thats what I'm using
[21:46] <tomreyn> zOZ: i'll just assume you're currently running ubuntu on it and also have a wired internet connection.
[21:46] <zOZ> tomreyn, yes
[21:46] <netochka> Hi. I didn't choose LVM option when installing Ubuntu. Can i encrypt the data on my hard drive now?
[21:46] <Irritiable> Anyone have any idea why Startup Disk Creator wouldn't create a bootable USB for an Ubuntu 16.04 install? (From: Ubuntu 16.04 LTS 64-bit)
[21:47] <tomreyn> zOZ: ok great. please show the output of these commands: lsb_release -ds; lspci -nn; lsbusb; lsmod
[21:47] <Irritiable> Startup Disk Creator / dd / UNetbootin
[21:47] <urgodfather> so, back to my question... is it possible to make a program not able to be closed?
[21:47] <tomreyn> !paste | zOZ
[21:47] <Doginal> so im guessing Ubuntu one loging is broken nothing we can do about it?!
[21:47] <Irritiable> urgodfather: Doubtful. Sounds malicious anyway.
[21:47] <Doginal> login***
[21:47] <urgodfather> nah
[21:47] <Irritiable> urgodfather: In what instance would one want an 'unclosable' (terminatable) program?
[21:48] <nacc> Doginal: it tries for me, on the first link, succeeds and then something throws an error
[21:48] <Irritiable> Other than the OS itself.
[21:48] <urgodfather> im making a cd duplicator and i am setting up turbojet2 to launch on boot
[21:48] <urgodfather> but i wanted to disable the "X"
[21:48] <Irritiable> urgodfather: Make it apart of the OS?
[21:48] <urgodfather> so these dummies cant screw it up
[21:48] <tomreyn> netochka: you can only encrypt your home directory now. it's better to enable full disk encryption during installation, though.
[21:48] <urgodfather> Irritiable: how to?
[21:48] <Irritiable> urgodfather: Read the man pages / RTFM?
[21:49] <zOZ> tomreyn, ule                  Size  Used by
[21:49] <zOZ> kvm_amd              2183168  0
[21:49] <zOZ> kvm                   589824  1 kvm_amd
[21:49] <zOZ> irqbypass              16384  1 kvm
[21:49] <zOZ> uvcvideo               90112  0
[21:49] <zOZ> videobuf2_vmalloc      16384  1 uvcvideo
[21:49] <Doginal> nacc does this mean i cant use this account?
[21:49] <netochka> tomreyn, so i can't encrypt the whole thing now?  Lol. I wouldn't know what distro(s) you're targeting.
[21:50] <nacc> Doginal: the error you get is what i get
[21:50] <urgodfather> im using 16 lts
[21:50] <nacc> Doginal: perhpas there is some issue right now
[21:50] <urgodfather> i know what rtfm means btw
[21:51] <urgodfather> and i am scanning it now
[21:51] <urgodfather> thats why i asked for a keyword
[21:51] <zOZ> sysimgblt              16384  1 drm_kms_helper
[21:51] <Irritiable> urgodfather: If I knew: I'd tell you. :p
[21:51] <zOZ> mii                    16384  1 r8169
[21:51] <zOZ> fb_sys_fops            16384  1 drm_kms_helper
[21:51] <zOZ> drm                   360448  2 ttm,drm_kms_helper
[21:51] <zOZ> wmi                    24576  2 wmi_bmof,hp_wmi
[21:51] <Irritiable> urgodfather: I'm more familiar with Windows than I am Linux distros.
[21:51] <zOZ> video                  40960  0
[21:51] <nacc> sigh
[21:51] <urgodfather> Irritiable: fair enough
[21:51] <Irritiable> nacc: Suggest pastebin? Lol
[21:51] <nacc> Irritiable: yeah, it's too late, bad client, not ratelimiting itself
[21:51] <tomreyn> :-/ i did that long ago
[21:52] <urgodfather> Irritiable: btw thats blasphemy in here
[21:52] <shpx> Ubuntu 17.10, I'm trying to stream a game to my mac using Steam's Home Streaming. I can do it right now by logging into ubuntu through my monitor/keyboard and openining Steam, then I can stream games at 1080p, my monitor's resolution. But my macbook's resolution is 5k though 5120x2880, so I'm trying to login over SSH, create a dummy monitor and then running the `steam` command.
[21:52] <shpx> I've tried `Xvfb :2 -screen 0 5120x2880x24+32 -fbdir /var/tmp & export DISPLAY=:2; steam` but xrandr says "xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output screen" and if I try to run `steam` any way it says "SteamUpdateUI: An X Error occurred \n X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)"
[21:52] <shpx> am I on the right track here?
[21:52] <Irritiable> urgodfather: It's a piece of software..
[21:52] <nacc> urgodfather: what's blasphemy?
[21:52] <Irritiable> nacc: Yeah, sadly.
[21:52] <Irritiable> nacc: He's saying the mentioning of Windows (he's being sarcastic).
[21:52] <descuidado> can someone tell me what's "canoncal's software"?
[21:52] <nacc> Irritiable: oh i didn't see that comment
[21:53] <Irritiable> descuidado: The writers of Ubuntu (I think).
[21:53] <DalekSec> nacc: Slight nitpick, it was rate limiting the output, hence why he didn't get flooded off.  He just needed to /server purge or otherwise empty the queue.
[21:53] <descuidado> Irritiable, can i remove it from a possible list?
[21:53] <descuidado> or is it a bad idea
[21:53] <Irritiable> DalekSec: Quassel doesn't support those things. :(
[21:53] <kostkon> descuidado, what list
[21:53] <Irritiable> descuidado: I don't have it added to mine. Doesn't hurt anything.
[21:53] <Irritiable> kostkon: Repo list.
[21:53] <descuidado> kostkon, on system settings, updates and software, there's a tab that says additional software
[21:53] <Anywhere> Hey, during the install there was a package I wanted to install called something like 'a lot of fonts' but I forgot, what's it called or can I open the installer again? (mini.iso)
[21:54] <netochka> tomreyn, if i re-install and use lvm. would i be able to share files with friends? or it would cause inconvenience?
[21:54] <Irritiable> kostkon: For the apt-update / apt-upgrade
[21:54] <Irritiable> apt-get update *
[21:54] <netochka> hey EriC^^
[21:54] <kostkon> descuidado, you can disable it
[21:54] <tomreyn> Anywhere: it might be msttcorefonts
[21:54] <descuidado> Irritiable, thanks for that, also is it a bad idea if i tick the xenial-proposed?
[21:54] <nacc> descuidado: Canonical is a company
[21:54] <Irritiable> descuidado: I wouldn't think it's a "bad idea." That's more of a 'beta' type option. Things might break.
[21:54] <nacc> DalekSec: sorry, you're right
[21:54] <Anywhere> tomreyn: thanks
[21:55] <descuidado> nacc, i know, canonical created ubuntu
[21:55] <supernovah> Hey there, where should I place my C library on the file system if I've made a gcc-hosted-cross-compiler?
[21:55] <supernovah> I'm not too familiar with the user space
[21:55] <tomreyn> netochka: lvm is not encryption. aside of that, i don't think lvm would get in the way of sharing files with dfriends. it dpeends on how you want to share files with friends, however.
[21:55] <nacc> descuidado: you shouuld not enable xenial-proposed unless you have a specific reason to
[21:55] <descuidado> nacc, what does it do?
[21:56] <nacc> descuidado: what does what do?
[21:56] <nacc> descuidado: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[21:56] <netochka> tomreyn, hmmm. but it says that what lvm does is to encrypt the whole hard drive. i'm confused about what it actually does.
[21:56] <descuidado> nacc, thank you
[21:56] <tomreyn> netochka: that's wrong. where does it say so?
[21:56] <Irritiable> [16:54:49] <Irritiable> descuidado: I wouldn't think it's a "bad idea." That's more of a 'beta' type option. Things might break.
[21:57] <netochka> tomreyn, or if it's necessary or a better thing to do, to enable it
[21:57] <Irritiable> > Beta testing
[21:57] <Irritiable> How's beta testing bad? :?
[21:57] <nacc> Irritiable: it's even more than beta
[21:57] <netochka> tomreyn, when installing ubuntu. maybe i'm not remembering it right
[21:57] <Irritiable> nacc: Alpha testing (I was using a more commonly understood term).
[21:57] <nacc> Irritiable: as betas are well-defined in ubuntu release cycles
[21:57] <Irritiable> nacc: I wouldn't know about Ubuntu's standards, but thank you. Lol
[21:57] <nacc> Irritiable: i'd say it's also even less than that, to some degree :)
[21:57] <Irritiable> Less than alpha?!
[21:57] <Irritiable> Like 1/2 alpha? LOL
[21:57] <nacc> Irritiable: it's where pending fixes exist so they can be tested before release
[21:58] <Irritiable> nacc: That's commonly known as: "Beta testing."
[21:58] <Irritiable> Alpha = Release
[21:58] <Irritiable> Beta = Testing
[21:58] <Irritiable> Charlie = Mega broken testing
[21:58] <nacc> Irritiable: they can totally break your system, and I can't think of a good reason anyone in this channel (that is, non-release testers) would use all of proposed ever
[21:58] <lavinho> good night
[21:58] <Irritiable> nacc: I believe I stated that in my original answer. I'd say to enable it.
[21:58] <Irritiable> Night, lavinho.
[21:58] <nacc> Irritiable: yes, I know what they mean in principle. Those terms have different meanings ofr Ubuntu
[21:59] <Irritiable> Ubuntu's whacky then, nacc. :p
[21:59] <tomreyn> netochka: you are probably mixing it up a little. the installer offers you to setup full disk encryption. when the installer sets up full disk encryption, it does so using (amongst other) LVM. but LVM does not provide the encryption itself. LVM provides a virtual block devices layer (kind of like partitions) which provides more flexibility in rearranging file systems later.
[21:59] <nacc> Irritiable: no, ubuntu has releases, which have alpha and beta milestones
[21:59] <Irritiable> Speaking of broken, nacc: Why is Startup Disk Creator buggy in 16.04 LTS?
[21:59] <lavinho> how to enable scroll magic mouse 2 ubuntu 17.10 ?
[21:59] <nacc> Irritiable: i don't know? have you looked if there is a bug for the issue you're seeing?
[22:00] <Irritiable> nacc: I just see strings of endless complaints on various forums stating the problem, but no answers or solutions or even explanations as to /why/ it's buggy. Simply left as: "It's buggy! Here are alternatives that /might/ work!" Poor system.
[22:00] <nacc> Irritiable: i don't know about forums, i asked about bugs
[22:00] <Irritiable> nacc: Not working as intended --> Buggy
[22:00] <nacc> Irritiable: and i've not yet see a description of your particular issue (maybe i missed it) so i'm not sure
[22:00] <tomreyn> netochka: the software ubuntu uses for full disck encryption is dmcrypt-luks (but it uses this in combination with LVM).
[22:00] <Irritiable> It is intended to create bootable ISO images (EG: Ubuntu 16.04 LTS 32-bit)
[22:00] <Irritiable> Ah, nacc. Moment.
[22:01] <netochka> tomreyn, I see. thank u for clearing that up. now is that full disk encryption a good thing? i mean i want to know the pros and cons to that. because it seems to me that encrypting data is a good thing to do, but i have no idea if it has any downsides or not.
[22:01] <nacc> Irritiable: there are 436 bugs filed at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator
[22:01] <Irritiable> nacc: I am trying to create (from Ubuntu 16.04 LTS 64-bit) a bootable USB with Startup Disk Creator or dd or UNetbootin or anything, for that matter. The image is the 16.04 32-bit desktop edition (ISO straight from Ubuntu's site).
[22:02] <kostkon> Irritiable, try this alternative https://etcher.io/
[22:02] <Irritiable> nacc: dd, Disk Creator Startup and UNetbootin all fail.
[22:02] <nacc> Irritiable: how does dd fail?
[22:02] <Irritiable> nacc: They all fail in the same manner --> The USB is not bootable (despite boot flag /sometimes/ being set).
[22:02] <Irritiable> kostkon: Where'd you pull that link from? Random Google search?
[22:02] <kostkon> Irritiable, nope..
[22:03] <kostkon> Irritiable, did you try downloading the iso again
[22:03] <nacc> Irritiable: are you able to make a 64-bit usb ?
[22:03] <Irritiable> nacc: This is a 64-bit based CPU and OS (Ubuntu); so, yes?
[22:03] <nacc> Irritiable: what do you mean by not bootable? it doesn't boot?
[22:04] <nacc> Irritiable: no, i mean a 64-bit ubuntu iso
[22:04] <Irritiable> nacc: Correct. It is not seen by the UEFI.
[22:04] <Irritiable> kostkon: No. The ISO's fine.
[22:04] <nacc> Irritiable: does your UEFI see USBs in general?
[22:04] <Irritiable> nacc: I am not interested in creating a 64-bit image to install.
[22:04] <Irritiable> Before the entire question of hardware (to rule it out) comes up: Ask how I got Ubuntu
[22:04] <Irritiable> Copied/Pasted (waiting on that question).
[22:04] <nacc> Irritiable: it's called process of elimination
[22:04] <Irritiable> nacc: I understand that. Notice the lack of a period? :p
[22:05] <Irritiable> That was the next bit. Lol
[22:05] <tomreyn> netochka: encryption always slows things down and increases more complexity. on the other hand it can protect your data from prying eyes. full disk encryption helps only while your computer is not currently running. so if you want to prevent thieves form getting access to your data, it's a good approach to take. it does not help against targetted attacks, keyloggers etc.
[22:05] <Irritiable> Moving on...
[22:05] <nacc> Irritiable: and we are all volunteers here
[22:05] <Irritiable> nacc: We know that Linux's USB image creation is buggy, so! Obviously there's a solution that works somewhere.
[22:05] <Irritiable> kostkon suggested "Etcher," but falls short at explaining anything beyond that.
[22:06] <Amm0n> Irritiable, did you sync the stick after dd ?
[22:06] <tomreyn> netochka: as such, it is nowadays comon practice (at least in companies) to apply full disk encryption to any mobile devices.
[22:06] <Irritiable> Amm0n: Yes.
[22:06] <Irritiable> Amm0n: && sync works great. ;)
[22:06] <nacc> Irritiable: ... I don't know that, but ok
[22:06] <Irritiable> tomreyn: I'm lucky in that regard! My Android phone is NOT encrypted (fastboot's locked though; just not the bootloader).
[22:06] <Irritiable> nacc: Yeah. Ubuntu seems to have holes in it still.
[22:07] <Irritiable> Small area that seriously needs to be addressed, but Windows works for that.
[22:07] <nacc> Irritiable: I am not sure what you are currently talking about, but ok
[22:07] <netochka> tomreyn, aha. if let's say i have some sensitive data and i don't want to encrypt the whole thing because of them, what should i do about it? is there any software that could deliver encryption for certain data? i mean do you have any suggestions?
[22:07] <Irritiable> nacc: The lack of being able to create bootable images (EG: Ubuntu install from an ISO).
[22:08] <nacc> Irritiable: I'm assuming that *someone* has used it to do so
[22:08] <nacc> Irritiable: in any case, did you check to make sure your created USB stick has a proper EFI layout?
[22:08] <Irritiable> nacc: From my perspective: I'm starting to have some doubts. Why else would I be on IRC asking about it finally? Lol!
[22:09] <Irritiable> nacc: Based on GParted's readings: It's perfect.
[22:09] <nacc> Irritiable: if dd failed to create a proper USB, I'd suspect sommething else, tbh; I've never had issues with that method. In particular, I'd check the USB disk structure and make sure your BIOS is not buggy
[22:09] <Irritiable> Compared against a functional and working version from a Windows based imaging.
[22:09] <lavinho> help me please
[22:09] <Irritiable> nacc: I'd normally agree with that, however: Windows -> Burn image -> Works great! BUT Linux -> Burn image -> 100% fail rate
[22:10] <tomreyn> netochka: this sounds like you should be using full diskl encryption and maybe additionally encrypt the sensitive data using another full disk encryption layer, using file system encryption, or using application level encryption. an example for the latter would be gpg's symmetric file encryption.
[22:10] <nacc> lavinho: what is your ubuntu support topic?
[22:10] <Irritiable> That leads me to believe that Linux's software (EG: dd or Disk Startup Creator or UNetbootin (whatever they're all using)) is faulty.
[22:10] <nacc> Irritiable: dd is unlikely to be 'buggy'
[22:10] <lavinho> i dont know
[22:10] <Irritiable> nacc: Yet here I am.
[22:10] <Irritiable> Anyway.
[22:10] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: How are you trying to boot from this USB drive? Have you tried booting from this USB drive on another machine?
[22:11] <Irritiable> Jordan_U: From the UEFI.
[22:11] <Irritiable> Jordan_U: Yeah. I use this USB on multiple devices. Embedded systems included. Works great!
[22:11] <Amm0n> Irritiable, is this what you are trying to do: https://medium.com/@realzedgoat/a-sorta-beginners-guide-to-installing-ubuntu-linux-on-32-bit-uefi-machines-d39b1d1961ec
[22:11] <TJ-> Irritiable: what PC make/model - we're seeing a /lot/ of them recently that are locked to only uses a Windows EFI boot manager path
[22:11] <Irritiable> This is a software issue; not a hardware issue.
[22:11] <Irritiable> aka Linux issue.
[22:12] <nacc> lavinho: ... sorry, I don't follow. You asked for help (in the Ubuntu support channel), but don't have an Ubuntu support question?
[22:12] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: I mean have you tried to boot this USB drive, prepared with Ubuntu 16.04.4 using dd, on a different machine?
[22:12] <Irritiable> Amm0n: Skimming that lightly: I'll say no.
[22:12] <TJ-> Irritiable: also, we're seeing some PC's with 32-bit UEFI  whereas the LiveISO bootable images are for 64-bit
[22:12] <Irritiable> Jordan_U: No. This is the only box in the house using Linux.
[22:13] <Irritiable> Fedora had no issues (before I put Ubuntu 16.04 LTS 64-bit on here).
[22:13] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: Do you have another machine that you can test it with? You don't need to actually install.
[22:13] <Irritiable> Unfortunately: No.
[22:13] <netochka> tomreyn, i googled up this gpg symmetric file encryption u mentioned. ty for your help
[22:13] <TJ-> Irritiable: what's the make/model of the PC?
[22:13] <Irritiable> TJ-: I'm 100% sure it's not hardware based (or I wouldn't be on Linux in the first place). It is a SOFTWARE issue.
[22:14] <Irritiable> TJ-: Acer Swift 1 SF113-31-P5CK 13.3" Ultra-Thin Laptop
[22:14] <Irritiable> Sure you can google the rest.
[22:15] <Irritiable> Just to rule out one other possible (albeit highly unlikely) cause: I'm zeroeing out the entire USB as we speak (8GB takes a while at ~2.0MB/s).
[22:15] <TJ-> Irritiable: Ah, yes. We see huge problems with lots of Acer models recently, this is why I asked
[22:15] <Irritiable> TJ-: Linux doesn't play nicely with Acer? :(
[22:15] <Irritiable> Another mark for Windows.
[22:15] <tomreyn> netochka: welcome
[22:17] <Irritiable> I suppose I'll see what Etcher does then, when this is done. If that fails: I guess I'll live with 64-bit Ubuntu instead of a sane/logical 32-bit version.
[22:17] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: So the USB drive with Ubuntu 16.04 is listed in your boot firmware menus, correct? What happens when you select it to boot?
[22:17] <Irritiable> Unless there's some hacky way to install it /from/ the SDD?
[22:17] <Irritiable> Jordan_U: Nope. The USB is not seen by the UEFI as a bootable device.
[22:18] <Irritiable> (Despite the (useless) boot flag being set.)
[22:18] <oerheks> maybe 'fastboot' is enabled, that could prevent such issues
[22:18] <nacc> Irritiable: why do you specifically want 32-bit?
[22:18] <Irritiable> nacc: Why would I want 64-bit on a 4GB soldered RAM setup?
[22:18] <Irritiable> Performance loss at no gain. Seems sane.
[22:19] <kostkon> Irritiable, 4GB is ok for 64bit
[22:19] <Irritiable> kostkon: Acceptable for who? Masochists?
[22:19] <nacc> Irritiable: you see an actual performance degradation you care about on this rig?
[22:19] <kostkon> Irritiable, it's not that bad
[22:19] <nacc> Irritiable: or are you handwaving about what others have written about?
[22:19] <Irritiable> nacc: I call 2s loss for a simple addition loop pretty severe.
[22:19] <TJ-> nacc: Does the 32-bit ISO have the 64-bit GRUB EFI ?!?
[22:19] <Irritiable> Translate it to FPS and come back.
[22:19] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: Your problem is that you're trying to boot 32 bit Ubuntu when you have 64 bit UEFI. Just use 64 bit UEFI.
[22:19] <Irritiable> kostkon: Uh. Okay.
[22:19] <nacc> TJ-: i'm not sure, I can look -- although Jordan_U probably knows :)
[22:20] <Irritiable> kostkon: I was unaware you had an above average reaction time and are sensitive enough to clearly feel the difference between 200FPS and 20FPS.
[22:20] <TJ-> nacc: right, as Jordan_U pointed out, if the UEFI in the Acer is 64-bit then it needs a 64-bit GRUB boot manager
[22:20] <Irritiable> That lag is like loading Facebook on a 28k modem vs. cable.
[22:20] <nacc> TJ-: yeah
[22:20] <nacc> Irritiable: sarcasm really puts off most volunteers, fyi
[22:20] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: 64 bit is faster than 32 bit. More specialised instructions available, more registers, more efficient access of memory beyond 4 GiB. There is no good reason to use a 32 bit OS on 64 bit hardware.
[22:21] <Irritiable> TJ-: I'll follow that thought for a moment and poise on this: IF That's the cause (no puns intended): Then why does it work just fine and dandy from Windows?
[22:21] <TJ-> Irritiable: is it the Ubuntu 17.10 you're trying?
[22:21] <kostkon> and more software available
[22:21] <nacc> Irritiable: also, an arbitrary benchmark of an addition loop is ... not clearly anything
[22:21] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: Are you really running 32 bit Windows on this machine currently?
[22:21] <nacc> Irritiable: you benchmarked one instruction and maybe some cache prefetch
[22:21] <Irritiable> TJ-: No. I was trying to install 32-bit Ubuntu 16.04 (since I am on a useless 64-bit Ubuntu 16.04).
[22:21] <Irritiable> nacc: Cache tree prediction should say enough.
[22:22] <netochka> why ubuntu 16.04 is useless?
[22:22] <nacc> netochka: it's not worth getting involved in.
[22:22] <Irritiable> It's a LOOP. The epitome of anything that runs (and in an event where it's literally a basic instruction? I don't even want to continue that one).
[22:22] <Irritiable> netochka: 64-bit on a 4GB RAM system.
[22:22] <Irritiable> nacc: More or less.
[22:22] <kostkon> Irritiable, free -m?
[22:22] <netochka> nacc, i am trying to learn by reading you guys' text :D
[22:22] <nacc> netochka: ah
[22:22] <Irritiable> The argument has swung from: Linux isn't broken to --> Your opinions and reasons are challenged (red herring logic fallacy).
[22:23] <Irritiable> Simply put: Linux is buggy.
[22:23] <nacc> Irritiable: a) stop saying Linux, you are using Ubuntu
[22:23] <Irritiable> That's nothing new, in fact. It's just another mark for Windows. Based on all the failures (minus Ubuntu 12?): I wasn't surprised.
[22:23] <nacc> Irritiable: no one said it wasn't buggy on Ubuntu
[22:23] <Irritiable> nacc: It's implied at this point we're referring to Ubuntu.
[22:23] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: This channel is not for venting about what you percieve as linux or Ubuntu's failures. Please stick to asking for support.
[22:23] <TJ-> Irritiable: if you're trying the 32-bit 16.04 Xenial LiveISO it does /not/ have UEFI boot loader; you'll need to enable CSM/Legacy BIOS boot mode in the Acer firmware setup
[22:23] <Irritiable> Jordan_U: Who is venting? Read the chat log.
[22:24] <nacc> Irritiable: the point was that there are lots of options, none of which you seem interested in
[22:24] <Irritiable> Time for /ignore for those who have issues with an animimate object.
[22:24] <tomreyn> netochka: i suggest not to try to learn from Irritiable's chat since he is *very* opinionated
[22:24] <Irritiable> TJ-: I am on 64-bit Ubuntu 16.04 LTs
[22:24] <TJ-> Irritiable: You *need* the 64-bit ISO in order to boot the installer, and to install, in UEFI mode
[22:24] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: You are. I have read the log. I am asking you to stop. You can ask for support without the added commentary.
[22:24] <Irritiable> tomreyn: That fallacy makes me giggle. Software has no opinions.
[22:24] <nacc> Irritiable: and I told you a while ago, file a bug, if you really want to see if it resolved
[22:24] <TJ-> Irritiable: which is it, a few moments ago you said "No. I was trying to install 32-bit Ubuntu 16.04 "
[22:24] <Irritiable> TJ-: That makes no sense to me.
[22:24] <netochka> tomreyn, :D yea i can see that. i'm actually curious about the possible solution to his problem.
[22:25] <netochka> I did also had a problem with ubuntu 16.04 when i installed it. but managed to solve it by setting it to load on an older kernerl, which btw i still don't have a clear idea about what that is. hhhh
[22:27] <netochka> nacc, how can one file a bug? u mean on forums?
[22:27] <Jordan_U> !bug | netochka
[22:27] <netochka> Ty!
[22:27] <nacc> Jordan_U: thanks
[22:28] <nacc> netochka: a distinction i'm coming aroudn to -- forums are for problem reports, laucnhpad is for bug reports; bugs (ideally) have well-defined inputs and (expected) outputs
[22:28] <kostkon> netochka, launchpad is for bugs. you can use your u1 credentials to login (you mentioned the forums, so you might have an u1 account already)
[22:29] <netochka> nacc, u see. my problem was after installation ubuntu would not recognize my wifi hardware. shall i call that a bug?
[22:29] <netochka> kostkon, actually no. but i did get a lot of help by looking around in forums.
[22:29] <nacc> netochka: i'd first see if the bug is already filed; i'd check under ubuntu and under linux (the kernel proper), or search all bugs for your specific hardware model
[22:29] <netochka> aha ok
[22:30] <Irritiable> [17:25:41] <Irritiable> TJ-: The objective (to remove the butt-hurt comments from persons who can't stay focused on a simple and apparently common and long running software bug): I am running a 64-bit OS. I am trying to burn / flash / copy / create / install / make a 32-bit ISO installer on the USB media.
[22:31] <Irritiable> [17:27:07] <Irritiable> Solutions are: Stick with 64-bit OS (not really an acceptable option). Other possible solution: Throw the laptop out the window (again: not acceptable). Third option: USB flash from Windows (from another machine).  Any other options? Still waiting on this to finish (yup: Definitely not an "opinion") zeroing out the USB device. After that: I'll see what Etcher does (as kostkon? suggested).
[22:31] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: While it is possible to run 32 bit Ubuntu while booted via 64 bit UEFI, it has so many downsides that I do not consider it worth this channel's time to help you do so. So if your only question is how to run 32 bit Ubuntu on 64 bit UEFI hardware, I ask that you stop asking it and consider leaving the channel. If you have other questions of course, feel free to ask them.
[22:32] <Anywhere> netochka, did you check what dmsg says?
[22:32] <Irritiable> Jordan_U: Translation: Nobody (aside from maybe TJ- and kostkon) has a solution or explanation. Okay.
[22:32] <TJ-> Irritiable: right, we know, but once you've got the 32-bit ISO on the USB, what are you doing with it? Presumably trying to /boot/ it, since you reported it doesn't show up in the PC's UEFI boot manager menu
[22:32] <Irritiable> TJ-: Failing to get it to be recognized from the UEFI.
[22:32] <Irritiable> (With OR without the boot flag set.)
[22:32] <netochka> Anywhere, pardon me, dmsg ?
[22:33] <Anywhere> type it in a console
[22:33] <nacc> netochka: `dmesg` the command, which will print the kernel's ring buffer of messages
[22:33] <Anywhere> might say what driver you are missing
[22:33] <Irritiable> The boot flag has /always/ had to be set for this laptop to recognize anything. Ergo: The statement (because I am sure you know as well as I do: The boot flag is not always honored).
[22:33] <Anywhere> right dmesg :)
[22:33] <Irritiable> TJ- *
[22:33] <TJ-> Irritiable: right, which is what we are telling you. The Ubuntu 32-bit LiveISO does **NOT** boot in UEFI mode; it only boots in CSM/Legacy BIOS mode
[22:34] <Irritiable> TJ-: Okay. I understood that. Then why is it possible to do it from a WINDOWS box?
[22:34] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: It is not being recongnised by your 64 bit UEFI firmware because it doesn't have a 64 bit UEFI image in a UEFI System Partition. This is by design, and will not change. Ubuntu developers intend that you use only 64 bit Ubuntu when booting via 64 but UEFI.
[22:34] <Irritiable> Jordan_U: See above message.
[22:34] <netochka> Anywhere, no. the solution i found was to first, set grub timeout to non-zero. and then set it to choose older kernel. now it always loads up with that version and it recognizes my wi-fi.
[22:34] <TJ-> Irritiable: presumably the "windows box' has CSM/Legacy BIOS boot enabled
[22:35] <Irritiable> TJ-: This /was/ using Windows prior to the installation of Ubuntu (and it was 32-bit initially with Fedora).
[22:35] <Irritiable> Windows 10 (?? bit) --> 32-bit Fedora --> 64-bit Ubuntu
[22:35] <netochka> how do i run this dmseg command?
[22:36] <Anywhere> just in a terminal
[22:36] <netochka> dmesg*
[22:36] <Irritiable> Fedora was incredibly buggy with the touchpad (and the "plasma desktop" had some horrible common bug and crashed OFTEN). Other than that? I was happy with it. Ubuntu has had 0 bugs (minus this one now). Small price to pay. Doesn't really bother me.
[22:36] <Anywhere> 'sudo dmesg'
[22:36] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: I'm not sure that you could install 32 bit Windows on this machine either. If the Windows that was installed was what it came with when you bought this machine, it was 64 bit Windows.
[22:36] <nacc> Anywhere: netochka you don't need sudo.
[22:36] <Irritiable> netochka: CTRL + ALT + T (hotkey to open a TERMINAL)
[22:36] <Irritiable> netochka: Then type: dmesg
[22:36] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: (Without enabling CMS, which I wouldn't recommend doing and which you seem to be saying you have not done).
[22:37] <Irritiable> Jordan_U: It may very well have been 64-bit. But that information is both lost and absolutely useless.
[22:37] <Irritiable> Jordan_U: The UEFI is locked down and does not support CSM.
[22:37] <Irritiable> I've stated that already quite a bit.
[22:38] <netochka> I assume that since i am right now on a kernel that does recognize my wifi hardware, entring dmesg wouldn't help. i have to boot up using the one that didn't recognize it and then use this command, right?
[22:38] <Anywhere> yes
[22:38] <Anywhere> you could do it first so you know which one you are using and that works
[22:38] <nacc> netochka: i'd do it now, and save the output to a file
[22:38] <nacc> netochka: then boot the failure one and do it again and compare
[22:38] <nacc> netochka: e.g. dmesg > dmesg.working.txt
[22:39] <netochka> nacc, good idea.
[22:39] <Irritiable> netochka: nacc literally means to use the ">" sign (it'll cause it to output the data to a file)
[22:39] <Irritiable> Not typical speech > like this.
[22:40] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: It seems that your questions have either been answered or rejected. You asked why 32 bit Ubuntu was not booting, we explained why. You asked why 32 bit Windows could boot on this machine, we explained that we expect that it actually couldn't either but that's also offtopic for this channel (##windows would be the place for that). You asked how to get 32 bit Ubuntu to boot on 64 bit UEFI
[22:40] <Jordan_U> without CSM and I have told you that this channel will not help you do that. Do you have any other questions?
[22:40] <nacc> Jordan_U: i believe Irritiable claims that writing the same image from windows leads to a working USB stick
[22:41] <nacc> Jordan_U: that is their actual bug reasoning, if I understood correctly
[22:41] <Irritiable> Jordan_U: What? I never asked anything about Win-32 booting.
[22:41] <Jordan_U> nacc: Then they're writing a 64 bit Windows image, which contains a 64 bit UEFI bootloader.
[22:41] <Irritiable> nacc: Thanks for reading.
[22:41] <nacc> Irritiable: please drop the attitude.
[22:41] <Scunizi> Is the underlying power shutdown routine the same in the background with Ubuntu and Kubuntu? I click the menu in Kubuntu and "Leave" > "Shut Down" and nothing happens.. no dialogue.. no shutdown.  I'm forced to use cli and shudown -P now to turn off the computer.
[22:41] <nacc> Irritiable: it is not helpful in this channel
[22:41] <Irritiable> "The attitude" is a direct reaction from input. Stop the input and the responses will equally stop.
[22:41] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: OK, then the answer to "why was Windows working then?" is that you were using a 64 bit Windows installer image to prepare the USB.
[22:41] <nacc> Jordan_U: I meant, they wrote the same 32-bit Ubuntu ISO file
[22:42] <Irritiable> nacc: I'm aware it's not, which is why I've been trying to stop it since it started. It's unwanted and doesn't solve the issue.
[22:42] <nacc> Irritiable: i never once directed any of the above to you
[22:42] <Irritiable> Jordan_U: Ah. There's a misunderstanding.
[22:43] <Irritiable> Jordan_U: This machine was running Windows 10; I used this USB to install Fedora 32-bit; I then used this USB to install Ubuntu 64-bit; Now I cannot get it (from Ubuntu 64-bit) to install Ubuntu 32-bit
[22:43] <Irritiable> In shorter words: dd is not working.
[22:43] <Irritiable> Why is dd not working in Ubuntu 64-bit 16.04 LTS?
[22:43] <nacc> Irritiable: oh so you've not actually tried using windows to create  32-bit ubuntu iso image?
[22:43] <Irritiable> nacc: I used Windows to create the Fedora 32-bit.
[22:44] <Irritiable> nacc: I no longer /have/ Windows to create a 32-bit Ubuntu copy (which WILL work). That's why it was listed as a solution.
[22:44] <nacc> Irritiable: short answer, 'no'. I'm fairly sure you've claimed earlier this exact image worked fine from windows
[22:44] <nacc> Irritiable: so you don't know if it will work or not.
[22:44] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: I believe that Fedora's 32 bit images include a 64 bit kernel and 64 bit UEFI bootloader. Ubuntu's do not.
[22:45] <Irritiable> nacc: With Ubuntu 16.04 LTS 32-bit? No. Not 100% sure (as I've been unable to do it); based on the fact that Fedora had 0 complaints: I'd assume it'll be a viable solution. The reasoning for the question(s) were as to why dd's buggy (which is what Startup Disk Creator's using; which is well known as buggy).
[22:46] <Irritiable> https://askubuntu.com/questions/698241/cannot-boot-from-usb-created-by-startup-disk-creator ---> Just Google them yourself. A dime a dozen.
[22:46] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: If you use dd to write an image to a USB drive and that image contains a 64 bit UEFI bootloader, then it will boot on 64 bit UEFI machines. If you use dd to write an image to a USB drive and that image does not have a 64 bit UEFI bootloader then it will not boot on 64 bit UEFI machines. Does that make sense?
[22:46] <Irritiable> Jordan_U: That would be the worst marketing scam alive, if that's the case. If that actually turns out to BE the case: I will never touch Ubuntu again.
[22:46] <Scunizi> Irritiable: check the usb with gparted and see if the boot flag is on for the usb..
[22:47] <Irritiable> Speaking of testing: I will find out if "Etcher" magically works. It /just/ finished.
[22:47] <compdoc> if you dont know dd, dont use it
[22:47] <Irritiable> Scunizi: I do that /every/ time.
[22:47] <netochka> dd = disk drive?
[22:47] <nacc> Irritiable: you intentionally or otherwise misinformed the channel roughly 30 minutes ago
[22:47] <Irritiable> compdoc: dd's easy to use.
[22:47] <kostkon> !info dd
[22:47] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: That's your choice. Do you have any other support questions?
[22:47] <nacc> Irritiable: when you claimed the same ISO worked from Ubuntu. So I think as Jordan_U has been saying for a while, let's move on.
[22:47] <nacc> Irritiable: err, worked from Windows.
[22:48] <netochka> kostkon, the bot didn't have any info on dd :D
[22:48] <TJ-> !coreutils | koston
[22:48] <Irritiable> nacc: Because prior to /this/ laptop (on another laptop) the same type scenario occurred with differing results (although it was just a live boot; so I can't say that I installed and ran Ubuntu).
[22:48] <Irritiable> Anyway. I will be right back.
[22:48] <Irritiable> We'll see if it magically works.
[22:49] <Jordan_U> nacc: There has bee a lot of miscommunication in this conversation. I don't think calling it "misinformimg" helps anything. Communication problems happen.
[22:49] <nacc> Jordan_U: you're right, I'm sorry
[22:49] <Jordan_U> nacc: No problem :)
[22:49] <TJ-> The nickname rather gives it away though
[22:49] <nacc> I could have resolved this 30 minutes ago if they had just said, I didn't test it :)
[22:50] <Joel> 16.04, when I run xset -display :0 dpms force off, my monitor turns off, if I run it again with force on, it turns on. If I run it with off, then wait for my monitor to go to sleep due to no signal, a force on won't wake it up. Any ideas what could cause this/
[22:50] <kostkon> netochka, yes it's in coreutils apparently
[22:50] <netochka> i'm gonna have to google that one up too
[22:50] <nacc> netochka: it's a package name on ubuntu
[22:51] <nacc> netochka: containing, well, core utilities
[22:51] <netochka> :D
[22:51] <netochka> I see
[22:51] <Irritiable> :|
[22:51] <Irritiable> afk throwing laptop off a bridge
[22:51] <netochka> lol
[22:56] <netochka> guys, ty for all the help n' info. laters
[22:58] <Irritiable> netochka: Welcome. Bye.
[23:02] <Irritiable> TJ-: Would it be possible to install GRUB/GRUB2 and 'manually' install Ubuntu 32-bit from that (using memdisk)?
[23:02] <Irritiable> EG: Manually selecting the 32-bit ISO.
[23:02] <Irritiable> I don't know why that didn't occur to me earlier.
[23:04] <Javabean> irritiable, i am no high-end user/support person.  but that doesn't sound as easy as you are making out
[23:05] <TJ-> Irritiable: no. And I check Fedora. The last 32-bit i386 workstation ISO I can find is Fedora 25 and from what I can see it doesn't have a 32-bit UEFI boot-loader either, only Legacy BIOS. In fact it uses the same system as Ubuntu does ({sys,iso}linux)
[23:05] <Irritiable> Javabean: It's about 4 commands.
[23:05] <Irritiable> TJ-: Okay. That's quite puzzling.
[23:05] <Irritiable> Is it possible the USB has mysteriously ended it's life and is the unlikely culprit for a candidate of blame then?
[23:06] <Irritiable> If that were the case: I'd assume there would've been an error thrown at some point.
[23:06] <Irritiable> USB / Thumb drive *
[23:06] <TJ-> Irritiable: the PC already has a 64-bit UEFI Firmware running, so if you could install a 32-bit OS, it wouldn't be able to communicate with the 64-bit firmware.
[23:07] <TJ-> I always test my USB's by booting them via a virtual machine using Virt Manager/QEMU
[23:08] <Irritiable> QEMU boots these ISOs just fine (from the USB). That's another thing that makes me wonder.
[23:08] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: No. We have told you that the problem is that you're using a 32 bit image when you need an image supporting 64 bit UEFI. We have answered your question as to why 32 bit Ubuntu is not booting, and we have told you that we will not help you install 32 bit Ubuntu on this machine. Do you have another support question?
[23:08] <TJ-> With a VM you can test UEFI, BIOS, 64-bit, 32-bit combinations and learn what works where
[23:08] <Irritiable> VirtualBox has Windows XP (32-bit) on it right now. Runs fine (despite it being a 1GHz CPU).
[23:08] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: Qemu and Virtualbox both default to BIOS based booting, though both can also boot via UEFI.
[23:10] <Irritiable> TJ-: Are you suggesting that's the reason Fedora was incredibly buggy with the touchpad?
[23:10] <Irritiable> (Touchpad was cycled from 'advanced' to 'basic' and it improved (although not much); with and without synaptic drivers.)
[23:12] <TJ-> Irritiable: no, that's a post boot issue
[23:14] <Amm0n> Irritiable, if you think you have trouble with your USB-Pen, you could try: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[23:27] <shpx> Ubuntu 17.10, I'm trying to stream a game to my mac using Steam's Home Streaming. I can do it right now by logging into ubuntu through my monitor/keyboard and openining Steam, then I can stream games at 1080p, my monitor's resolution. But my macbook's resolution is 5k though 5120x2880, so I'm trying to login over SSH, create a dummy monitor and then running the `steam` command.
[23:27] <shpx> I've tried `Xvfb :2 -screen 0 5120x2880x24+32 -fbdir /var/tmp & export DISPLAY=:2; steam` but xrandr says "xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output screen" and if I try to run `steam` any way it says "SteamUpdateUI: An X Error occurred \n X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)"
[23:27] <shpx> am I on the right track here?
[23:29] <pragmaticenigma> shpx, that won't work
[23:30] <shpx> what will?
[23:31] <kostkon> shpx, stream a game through ssh?
[23:32] <pragmaticenigma> shpx, your idea... most steam games require the use of a graphics card to do the calculations for the imagery... xvfb is a virtual device that uses the CPU
[23:33] <shpx> pragmaticenigma: sorry, I have no idea what I'm doing. I've read through https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xorg to try and understand what Xorg is and how to configure it, but it's not helpful. If you can point me to some resource I'd be greatful
[23:34] <shpx> kostkon: I tried ssh -X but macOS doesn't want to do anything. It opens XQuartz and then does nothing, even after I did https://stackoverflow.com/questions/39622173/cant-run-ssh-x-on-macos-sierra
[23:35] <shpx> plus, wouldn't streaming X draw calls be a bad idea for a game?
[23:36] <pragmaticenigma> shpx, streaming steam games would be a bad idea for any game.. the amount of lag for the "server" to send commands over the network to another computer to interpret
[23:36] <kostkon> shpx, valve created their own streaming software and hardware for a reason
[23:38] <pragmaticenigma> and again, that's not how X11 or xvfb works... xvfb is for running a program that needs a graphical interface to work, in a situation where a physical display isn't available but a secondary computer using something like VNC could call into the server and "see" the graphical environment remotely
[23:39] <shpx> pragmaticenigma: you should try out cloud gaming some time, it's actually very usable. I tried https://parsecgaming.com/ with an AWS server and it's pretty good, but it's proprietary software. there's also https://github.com/chunying/gaminganywhere but I haven't tried that. The ping to my server is 3 ms, I can play games just fine, but again it's at 1080p, I just want to make a fake 5k monitor so I can stream at higher res.
[23:39] <pragmaticenigma> shpx, cloud gaming uses special software native to the platform it is being run on. With dedicated client and server software
[23:40] <shpx> yea. So am I. http://store.steampowered.com/streaming/
[23:40] <pragmaticenigma> shpx, xvfb is like using a cruise ship to navigate a puddle
[23:40] <kostkon> shpx, yeah but you are trying to dilute it
[23:40] <kostkon> shpx, either use it as it is otherwise it's not gonna work
[23:42] <shpx> I got it, it's not the right tool. I'm trying to be helpful and saying what I've tried. So what's the right way to trick my system into thinking it has a 5k display so I can run the `steam` command in that display?
[23:42] <pragmaticenigma> shpx, you can't, you have the limitation of the hardware you're working with
[23:43] <shpx> why? a monitor is just a mapped section of memory...
[23:44] <pragmaticenigma> shpx, your monitor has a physical dimension. A finite number of pixels
[23:45] <shpx> k
[23:45] <kostkon> shpx, whats the problem exactly. you might want to repeat it
[23:48] <oerheks> !find openjdk-10
[23:49] <happy_hacker> pragmaticenigma: no, I don't use java and ads and such in pastebins
[23:50] <pragmaticenigma> happy_hacker, then I'm sorry, but I won't be able to help you
[23:51] <shpx> I'm trying to stream a game to my mac using http://store.steampowered.com/streaming/. The way Steam Home Streaming works is you open the Steam program on 2 computers (client and server), you can then click "Stream" instead of "Play" on some game on the client, which will start the game on the server and open a video feed to that instance of game on the client.
[23:51] <shpx> I can do this right now by logging into ubuntu (the server) through my monitor/keyboard and openining Steam, then I can stream games to my mac (the client) at 1080p, ubuntu's monitor's physical resolution. But my macbook's resolution is 5k, so I'm trying to login over SSH, create a fake monitor that has 5k resolution, set $DISPLAY to that fake monitor and then running the `steam` command (a bash command which opens Stream on the $DISPLAY). I can't figure
[23:51] <happy_hacker> pragmaticenigma: not a problem
[23:51] <shpx>  out how to create a fake monitor.
[23:51] <shpx> kostkon:
[23:52] <pragmaticenigma> shpx, why not install the steam client on the mac instead?
[23:53] <pragmaticenigma> shpx, simplify your setup?
[23:53] <oerheks> if the mac client can recieve a "5k stream" ...
[23:53] <shpx> my laptop can't run 5k games lol. and it is installed. it has to be installed.
[23:53] <oerheks> i think you should be happy with just 1080
[23:54] <shpx> "you open the Steam program on 2 computers (client and server) ..."
[23:54] <kostkon> shpx, so you can only stream 1080p games to your games, your Ubuntu's system native resolution
[23:54] <kostkon> to your MAC*
[23:54] <shpx> correct
[23:55] <slackjeff> Guys
[23:55] <slackjeff> please
[23:55] <slackjeff> please post for me /etc/os-release
[23:56] <oerheks> slackjeff, you are funny
[23:56] <slackjeff> oerheks, ?
[23:56] <slackjeff> oerheks, for my program! need os-release of ubuntu!
[23:56] <slackjeff> i not use ubuntu.
[23:57] <pragmaticenigma> slackjeff, what is the purpose of your question?
[23:58] <oerheks> trick question to spot a human, welcome
[23:58] <slackjeff> pragmaticenigma,
[23:58] <slackjeff> I'm creating a program that takes many distributions.
[23:58] <slackjeff> I need someone to post to me the ubuntu os-release!
[23:58] <slackjeff> i not use ubuntu...
[23:58] <shpx> maybe watch this demo to understand what I'm talking about https://youtu.be/Mpb6UGFGMmU?t=15s
[23:59] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseSchedule
[23:59] <TJ-> slackjeff: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Kn2jFGNPhX/
[23:59] <pragmaticenigma> slackjeff, you're application should not rely on the information in /etc/os-release... any user can change that