[00:00] <donkeyinspace> Average_Guy , i do you change from windows to ubuntu? restarting or shutting down and then press power?
[00:01] <Average_Guy> yes...
[00:01] <donkeyinspace> Average_Guy , how do you change from windows to ubuntu? restarting or shutting down and then press power?
[00:01] <Average_Guy> both
[00:01] <donkeyinspace> you tryed both ways?
[00:01] <Average_Guy> yup
[00:02] <lewis_> Pasted @Paste from Lewis_ at Sat, 23 Apr 2011 20:01:09 +0000
[00:02] <Average_Guy> y?
[00:02] <Linear_Key> Hi, when I create a symbolic link in my home folder, a corresponding icon appears on my desktop. How can I prevent this?
[00:02] <Solar_Energy> any idea whatb the AP scan is?
[00:03] <soreau> Solar_Energy: Access Point Scan
[00:03] <lewis_> soreau: posted @ http://paste.ubuntu.com/598060/
[00:03] <donkeyinspace> Average_Guy , it was a problem i had in ubuntu 8.04. but it was not with restarting or shutting down. it was when i disconnected the power supply
[00:03] <soreau> Solar_Energy: It sounds like its trying to use your wifi
[00:03] <Solar_Energy> aha
[00:03] <Solar_Energy> but it is on lan
[00:04] <Solar_Energy> its hung up
[00:04] <soreau> lewis_: lspci|grep VGA
[00:04] <Solar_Energy> have a text field with cursor
[00:04] <Solar_Energy> but no mouse
[00:04] <Solar_Energy> again it says:
[00:04] <Average_Guy> no, no, no... I not having a problem. I have a fresh install and I can't get the restricted wireless drivers without a physical ethernet connection
[00:04] <alad_o> I changed my password and ticked the “don't ask for password at login“ and now i can not login due to my home dir being encrypted, this setting is not in the custom.conf either. Does anyone know how i can change this from the console?
[00:05] <lewis_> soreau:  posted on http://paste.ubuntu.com/598060/
[00:05] <donkeyinspace> Average_Guy , somehow windows controlled usb port and i had to enter first in window and couldnt disconnect power supply before going to ubuntu
[00:05] <Solar_Energy> "ubuntu wpa_supplicant [1810]: Failed to initiate AP scan
[00:05] <Solar_Energy> hmm
[00:05] <soreau> lewis_: That only shows lspci|grep, not lspci|grep VGA
[00:05] <Average_Guy> I WANT to use windows to download the drivers
[00:05] <Average_Guy> and then pull em into linux
[00:06] <soreau> lewis_: What is the desired resolution for your monitor you are trying to get going?
[00:06] <Average_Guy> I THINK I already have. But I can't find anyone who can tell me yes or no, and
[00:06] <Average_Guy> I don't kno what to do with em now that i have em
[00:07] <soreau> Average_Guy: What wifi chip is it per lspci?
[00:07] <kidshelleen> "/help cw"
[00:07] <Average_Guy> broadcom bcm4312
[00:07] <Solar_Energy> damn
[00:07] <soreau> ! broadcom | Average_Guy
[00:07] <Solar_Energy> it says "ethernet" but still "failed AP scan"
[00:08] <Solar_Energy> how can I tell it to skip?
[00:08] <soreau> Average_Guy: Just plug in hard wire cable so you have an internet connection to install the drivers
[00:08] <lewis_> Soreau: i have an blank space of 1.5" all around the menu  I need to go to 1200 i think
[00:08] <Average_Guy> plug into WHAT? I don't have internet, or this would be easy.  I use a public wireless network
[00:09] <Average_Guy> I have read a LOT
[00:09] <soreau> lewis_: You can try adding a mode with xrandr but Im not sure if youre using vesa right now or what
[00:09] <Average_Guy> I THINK I already have the tarballs sitting in my home foler
[00:10] <Average_Guy> folder
[00:10] <escott> alad_o, the setting would have to be somewhere in /etc
[00:10] <soreau> lewis_: Try reading this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=586190
[00:10] <kushal3> hi, I reinstalled maverick and for some reason nautilus cannot create my home directory. Can someone help me with it please?
[00:11] <Solar_Energy> any idea why it tries this AP scan?
[00:11] <lewis_> soreau: ok i am gone to read it Thanks
[00:11] <Solar_Energy> shall I retry without "updating"?
[00:11] <neosimago> shouldn't i get a login screen when i keystroke ctrl-alt f(1-6)? -- i'm getting a blank screen with cursor. any ideas?
[00:11] <soreau> lewis_: Ok hope you can figure something out
[00:12] <kushal3> oh gosh, can someone please tell me where I can go for help?
[00:13] <istvan> hey, I just downloaded the mysql c++ connector but I am very new to this stuff... how can I have GCC link to the files? is there a .deb I can use?
[00:13] <HyperShock> hey guys, where in gnome or ubu 10.10 do i have to be to be able to change where the 'copy to' and 'move to' right click menu entries? thanks. :)
[00:14] <HyperShock> istvan: can you even program in c++?
[00:14] <istvan> HyperShock: I started learning recently.
[00:15] <Murdock> cout>>good
[00:15] <HyperShock> istvan: and look you've skipped the deepend of programming and went straight to the arctic higland glacial lakes!
[00:15] <HyperShock> !gcc
[00:16] <HyperShock> !gcc | istvan
[00:16] <istvan> HyperShock: thanks!
[00:16] <Murdock> I was having trouble with gcc the other day
[00:17] <BlipInTheData> Murdock, thanks for that very random piece of info :P
[00:18] <Murdock> it doesn't like char strings being passed by refrence
[00:18] <ka1ser> hi, any idea of why pressing ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't switch me to terminal 1 succesfully? I only see the cursor on the upper left corner flashing...
[00:18] <HyperShock> off-topic: I was having trouble with windows the other day, but then when I finished, I charged them $60!
[00:18] <ka1ser> I have ubuntu 10.04 32bits
[00:19] <escott> alad_o
[00:19] <escott> alad_o, remove the file /etc/gdm/custom.conf
[00:19] <HyperShock> ka1ser: what about ctrl-alt-f2?
[00:19] <ka1ser> HyperShock: none of them work =/
[00:19] <Solar_Energy> how can I tell the installer to get over it?
[00:19] <ka1ser> HyperShock: i can get back to UI with ctrl-alt-f7
[00:19] <HyperShock> ka1ser: ooo boy, hmmm
[00:20] <ka1ser> but thats it
[00:20] <HyperShock> when did it start?
[00:20] <ShapeShifter499> is it possible to have app that will just popup for an X amount of time and print something in a GUI window?
[00:20] <slakar> Who here knows how to put a downloadable file on Ure site
[00:20] <ka1ser> I don't know... it as been a long time I didn't try that =$
[00:20] <ka1ser> lol
[00:20] <HyperShock> ShapeShifter499: yes, but i'm not sure what to use to do it, ...
[00:20] <shcherbak> ShapeShifter499: Look at zenity.
[00:20] <alad_o> escott, but that setting is not located in custom.conf.  its not the “auto login“ setting, its the “do not ask for password setting
[00:20] <HyperShock> slakar: by ure do you mean 'your'?
[00:21] <slakar> Yea set
[00:21] <slakar> Sry*
[00:21] <slakar> Slang
[00:21] <HyperShock> ka1ser: make sure you have all of your ubu updates, then cross fingers and reboot
[00:21] <slakar> So can anyone help me
[00:21] <escott> alad_o, I had my set as ask for a password, changed it and the custom.conf was created
[00:21] <Juest> hi, pulseaudio and alsa aren't working, why?
[00:21] <Juest> i am running 10.10 i386 in a vm
[00:22] <ka1ser> HyperShock: hahaha sounds like worth a try =]
[00:22] <Juest> Help!
[00:22] <HyperShock> escott & alad_o: look in system->administration->users and groups, you'll find that setting there
[00:22] <Juest> hello?
[00:22] <bazhang> Juest, patience
[00:22] <alad_o> escott, ok i will give it a go
[00:23] <Juest> okkk, just a bit inpatient!
[00:23] <HyperShock> ka1ser: its happened to me twice, and both times that is what i've ended up doing to rectify it
[00:23] <alad_o> HypwrShock, the prob is i can not get into the gui
[00:23] <Juest> hey hey
[00:23] <HyperShock> ka1ser:  i noticed it tends to happen when i get to crazy getting rid of packages. for instance pam, leave her alone. :D lol
[00:24] <Juest> is very urgent!
[00:24] <Juest> pulseaudio and alsa aren't working, why?
[00:24] <bazhang> !helpme | Juest
[00:24] <Juest> i am running 10.10 i386 in a vm
[00:24] <HyperShock> alad_o: what is wrong with your gui?
[00:24] <slakar> mlm
[00:24] <Juest> :(
[00:24] <slakar> m1m
[00:24] <slakar> mIm
[00:25] <dusf> are there any benefits to putting /boot on a separate partition, if so how much of the 15gb of / should I allocate it? /home and 'storage' are two other partitions altogether.
[00:25] <escott> HyperShock, he can't get in because he is encrypted. He doesn't have a root account so he cant use any of the gui config utils
[00:25] <alad_o> HyperShock, if you scroll up a bit you will see my problem
[00:25] <bazhang> dusf, perhaps 250mb
[00:26] <indy> i just installed xbuntu sixty -four bit / with HVR   1250 card- and wld like to setup mythtv- can anyone help w/specifics steps on how to get working. thx
[00:26] <HyperShock> alad_o: check your prv msg
[00:27] <donkeyinspace> Average_Guy , i guess you already read it but here goes http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1354884
[00:27] <bazhang> indy, what is xbuntu
[00:27] <HyperShock> alad_o: do you have sudo ability in shell?
[00:27] <dusf> bazhang: benefists?
[00:27] <dusf> *benefits
[00:27] <bazhang> dusf, none really
[00:27] <dusf> then how about 0gb? :P
[00:27] <slakar> Any1 here knows how to put a downloadable file on a webpage
[00:28] <HyperShock> !ftp | slakar
[00:28] <bazhang> dusf, then just dont create one
[00:28] <slakar> Huh
[00:28] <bazhang> indy, the mythbuntu-desktop package
[00:28] <dusf> bazhang: someone suggested i do and i was just checking if there was a good reason is all
[00:28]  * HyperShock smacks his forehead in disbelief.
[00:28] <Juest> erm, who can help me i am using ubuntu 10.10 i386 and sound dosen't work because of dummy driver why this??? also i use virtualbox on a winxp
[00:28] <indy> a strip vrsion of Ubuntu
[00:28] <bazhang> dusf, you acer certainly welcome to, use about 250mb if you do.
[00:29] <Linear_Key> When I create a symbolic link in my home folder, a corresponding icon appears on my desktop. How can I prevent this?
[00:29] <HyperShock> slakar: you have to ftp connect to your web server and transfer your file that way, look at all the options you have according to ubottu
[00:29] <Juest> and !audio is not working
[00:29] <bazhang> indy, then the mythbuntu-desktop package as I suggested above
[00:29] <dusf> bazhang: also, i'm creating a larger partition i want to use for storage for both windows and ubuntu, .wine will also be installed there, i had intended to use ntfs as it's cross platform but just discovered windows can read ext3, is there any reason to use one over the other pelase?
[00:29] <slakar> Lol I was simply asking fir like a way I can put a link on my webpage and Wen ppl press it it loads of my server
[00:29] <ActionParsnip> Linear_Key: Using gconf-editor go to apps>nautilus>desktop and uncheck the "home folder visible" box.
[00:29] <bazhang> dusf, I would use ntfs as Ubuntu can use that more easily and dependably
[00:30] <slakar> Way bout creating a link I did on my windows but Havin trouble on ubuntu
[00:30] <ActionParsnip> Juest: can you give the output of: wget -O alsa-info.sh http://alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && bash ./alsa-info.sh
[00:30] <slakar> Way is what
[00:30] <scottj> if I want scripts to start as fast as possible and use little memory, and they're super simple, am I better off with /bin/sh or /bin/bash?
[00:30] <HyperShock> slakar: dude, that's html question, but your answer is download me
[00:30] <istvan> Hey, I installed libmysqlcppconn4 and libmysqlcppconn-dev but compiling gives me the error: fatal error: boost/variant.hpp: no such file or directory. There are a few cases of this online but not one with an answer really.
[00:30] <bazhang> slakar, please use complete words, its near impossible to understand you, also all on a single line
[00:30] <slakar> Tank u
[00:30] <slakar> Alright sorry got accostom to slang
[00:31] <donkeyinspace> Average_Guy , i guess you already read it but here goes https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[00:31] <Juest> scottj: is the same just go with default sh
[00:31] <bazhang> slakar, that question also has nothing to do with ubuntu, try ##web or some other channel
[00:31] <indy> so i don't need to run mythtv-just install mythbuntu- does it work out-of the box or do i need to configure it
[00:31] <Juest> is always there
[00:31] <HyperShock> slakar: do you mean a symbolic file link?
[00:31] <dusf> bazhang: ty. would there be a reason to use /boot if you had 2/3 other operating systems on the drive? ubuntu crashes/uninstalls etc - grub still has it's menu?
[00:31] <la> anyone has experience with intel 2200 wireless card, wb2200 driver and patching?
[00:31] <slakar> HyperShock: How do I full out the area where u have filename
[00:31] <ActionParsnip> Juest: if you use gconf as I advised it should sort it
[00:31] <bazhang> indy, of course you need to do a lot of reading to set it up
[00:31] <Linear_Key> ActionParsnip: I don't see such a setting (I am using 10.10), there are computer_icon_visible, home_icon_visible, trash_icon_visible, and volumes_visible
[00:31] <Juest> ok
[00:31] <slakar> No it is exactly what you show me
[00:32] <Linear_Key> ActionParsnip: the only one checked is vos
[00:32]  * Juest is trying gconf
[00:32] <Linear_Key> volumes
[00:32] <donkeyinspace> Average_Guy , i guess you already read it but here goes https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo
[00:32] <Juest> where do you advised that action,?
[00:32] <bazhang> dusf, just to have a separate /home will alleviate most of the worries
[00:32] <slakar> HyperShock: I am having problems filling out the places
[00:32] <indy> ok, thanks. now will it work w/Hvr 1250
[00:32] <slakar> Link file location and stuff
[00:33] <bazhang> indy, best to check the various myth compatibility sites, if thats a hauppage the odds are more than fair
[00:33] <ActionParsnip> Juest: if you are having sound issues, can you run the command I gave and give the URL generated when you upload to the server
[00:33] <indy> thanks a lot.
[00:34] <dusf> bazhang: but with ubuntu gone the grub menu with other o/s would be lost... i know i can just reinstall ubuntu but i think i'm going to go with the small boot partition. one final thing, when you say ubuntu can work more easily and dependably with ntfs, you mean more easily and dependably than windows can work with ext3, not that ubuntu can work more easily and dependably with ntfs than it can with ext3, right?
[00:34] <slakar> HyperShock: Are you there u are a lot of help I just need a little more
[00:34] <HyperShock> slakar: i'm on fone with customer
[00:34] <bazhang> dusf, yes, ubuntu works better with ntfs than the reverse of windows with ext
[00:34] <slakar> Huh
[00:34] <HyperShock> slakar: priv msg me
[00:34] <bc81> hi.  i'm trying to edit settings with the xfce4-settings-editor (xubuntu 10.10).  how can i lock the settings for window-height and width, the buttons don't work, or seem to be useless?
[00:34] <slakar> Ok
[00:35] <ActionParsnip> Juest: wget -O alsa-info.sh http://alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && bash ./alsa-info.sh
[00:35] <dusf> bazhang: tyvm for all your help, always a pleasure.
[00:35] <bazhang> bc81, try #xubuntu
[00:35] <bc81> bazhang: dead channel
[00:35] <bazhang> bc81, be patient then
[00:37] <richard> ,mk
[00:37] <lewis_> in ubuntu 8 the command "sudo displayconfig-gtk" worked is there a same command in 10.10??
[00:38] <maco> lewis_: gnome replaced that app with gnome-display-manager (i think thats the name)
[00:38] <ActionParsnip> lewis_: why does that need sudo? also don't run gui apps with sudo, use gksudo
[00:38] <maco> lewis_: its in the menu as well
[00:39] <shcherbak> lewis_: You are presistent, 2 minutes hang otu with google delivers: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=996478
[00:39] <ActionParsnip> lewis_: also, 'ubuntu 8' doesn't exist. There is 8.04 (hardy) and 8.10 (intrepid, which is EOL)
[00:39] <neosimago> anyone fudged with changing tty in runlevels before? what does it mean start on stopped rc RUNLEVEL=[2345] vs start on runlevel [23] ?
[00:40] <ActionParsnip> lewis_: and hardy on desktop is EOL when Natty is released
[00:40] <ActionParsnip> !runlevel | neosimago
[00:41] <neosimago> well, would that explain why ctrl-alt f1 is not pulling up tty1?
[00:41] <MethedMan> i am having trouble getting my apache2 server to display php pages.  the browser wants to download the php files.  searched all over the internet for the last hour with no luck.
[00:41] <dusf> !filesystem
[00:42] <Jemt> Hi. I have just added another repository, which contains packages also found in the maverick repository. How do I install packages from a specific repository? "apt-get install <package> --target-release maverick" doesn't seem to work - the package seems to be installed from my alternative repository
[00:42] <brianl> When I change my hostname of my laptop running Ubuntu 11.04 by "hostname new.hostname", everytime i run a root command it says unable to resolve host: hostname. Is there somewhere else I need to go to change it where it stops saying that?
[00:42] <Logan_> thanks rww :)
[00:43] <rww> Logan_: no problem :)
[00:43] <rww> brianl: #ubuntu is for supported versions of Ubuntu only. Please use #ubuntu+1 for natty until it's released (probably on the 28th). Thanks!
[00:43] <rww> though since you're here,
[00:43] <rww> !hostname > brianl
[00:43] <lewis_> Actionparsnip: it was most likely 8.04 someone on here told me of it. I need the new format of that command
[00:43] <brianl> rww: Thanks ;/
[00:44] <MethedMan> anybody know how to configure apache to properly handle php?
[00:45] <Logan_> !apache | MethedMan
[00:46] <Juest> actionparaship
[00:46] <Juest> that script was ran
[00:46] <Juest> i uploaded info to alsa.org
[00:47] <joshmc> MethedMan, also try #httpd maybe :)
[00:47] <david234> I want to install the package that tells me what package contains a command I enter at the prompt that replaces "unknown command"
[00:47] <david234> what is it called ?
[00:47] <Pici> ;22
[00:47] <rww> david234: command-not-found, I believe
[00:48] <Juest> hey
[00:48] <david234> apt-get install command-not-found seems to agree with rww
[00:48] <Juest> actionparaship, are you here?
[00:48] <Juest> parship*
[00:49] <JuestUbuntu> hey
[00:49] <hiexpo> rww, command-not found  > what is that ?
[00:50] <rww> !info command-not-found | hiexpo
[00:50] <hiexpo> rww, oh another spoon feeder
[00:50] <rww> hiexpo: indeedy
[00:51] <MethedMan> ubottu: i already tried everything on the website you gave me
[00:51] <MethedMan> joshmc: what is #httpd?
[00:52] <stercor> Is there a command-line command for ``Press Enter to continue?''
[00:52] <oscar> somebody knows how to config autofs very flexible (i connect any usb drive and it automounts)?
[00:52] <joshmc> MethedMan: the freenode channel for apache HTTP server
[00:52] <iSilurian> hi all
[00:52] <adrian_berg> thank you trism
[00:52] <joshmc> MethedMan: (or so says netsplit.de ;] )
[00:52] <lwizardl> anyone know of an application that is like itunes for us linux users? All i am looking for is an application that let me subscribe to podcasts and download them to my computer. not looking for an ipod manager
[00:52] <JuestUbuntu> hey, actionparship! http://pastebin.com/1RLJvkSv
[00:53] <trism> stercor: read -p 'Press enter to continue '
[00:53] <hiexpo> !itunes
[00:53] <stercor> Thanks, trism!
[00:53] <JuestUbuntu> hey
[00:53] <magn3ts> How can I check to see if an app was installed via DPKG or via apt?
[00:53] <atyoung> clemetine
[00:53] <iSilurian> oh adrian
[00:53] <lwizardl> hiexpo, as i said not looking for a ipod manger or audio player
[00:53] <adrian_berg> yes?
[00:53] <JuestUbuntu> use synaptic manager
[00:54] <buff27> lwizardl, tried rhythmbox
[00:54] <iSilurian> thats my name :P
[00:54] <adrian_berg> :)
[00:54] <magn3ts> Also, why the frick are the GTK+ widgets even BIGGER in Gnome3 than ever?
[00:54] <joshmc> lwizardl: searches turn up gPodder, juice, Prodder (??), so on.
[00:55] <lwizardl> joshmc, yup used them and most only finds like 20 feeds
[00:55] <Infamous> can someone help me dual boot backtrack 4 with windows 7? :O
[00:56] <magn3ts> Infamous, just run it in a VM, also not really #ubuntu
[00:56] <hiexpo> !backtrack | Infamous
[00:57] <Infamous> yea imma try that
[00:57] <Infamous> thanks.
[00:57] <LAcan> hrrmm.. whats the deal with #wine ?
[00:57] <JuestUbuntu> hey
[00:57] <ksaylor> !mint
[00:57] <magn3ts> LAcan, what do you mean? #winehq?
[00:58] <LAcan> ohh maybe
[00:58] <LAcan> .j #winehq
[00:58] <habriel> hello do you know any program for download music
[00:58] <joshmc> lwizardl: can you use something like podcast.com to search through podcasts and keep track of them through the program? Or do you mean they will only download 20 podcasts at a time per subscription?
[00:58] <coz_> LAcan,  #windehq is an irc channel for wine help
[00:58] <coz_> LAcan, rather #winehq
[00:58] <JuestUbuntu> habriel: rhytmbox
[00:58] <bastidrazor> magn3ts: technically, every application installed is installed by dpkg.
[00:59] <lwizardl> joshmc, when using the application itself and doing searches they only find 20 podcasts total and most of the ones that are found the latest updated files are from about 2002
[01:00] <joshmc> lwizardl;
[01:01] <habriel> thanks juestubuntu
[01:01] <haoqili> test
[01:01] <JuestUbuntu> yeah
[01:01] <JuestUbuntu> :)
[01:02] <joshmc> lwizardl: I may be in the wrong but keeping a database of podcasts in conjunction with the software would seem like a big undertaking (something a company like Apple can do). Most of the podcasts I've seen are maintained by small groups instead of in a library. You might be hard pressed to find a decent podcast program with a sizable library.
[01:03] <LAcan> jesus these #windows people are useless
[01:03] <magn3ts> bastidrazor, yeah, that thought occurred to me right after I asked the question :S Oh well.
[01:03] <magn3ts> LAcan, what are you trying to do?
[01:03] <PurpleSmoke> windows ppl  are usefull
[01:04] <LAcan> magn3ts, having a problem with winload being unsigned in the boot manager...
[01:04] <PurpleSmoke> u can be payed if u remove viruses/spywartes/mallwares et
[01:04] <PurpleSmoke> c;D
[01:04] <lwizardl> LAcan, what ? you talking about people in that chatroom ?
[01:04] <LAcan> and not being able to boot my winblows partition
[01:04] <david234> ok, so I built a .deb package and when I install it, it says "trying to overwrite .... which is also in ....". How can I force installation of the package not caring about overwritten files ?
[01:04] <magn3ts> LAcan, what does "unsigned" mean?
[01:05] <magn3ts> LAcan, if your Windows partition doesn't have a boot flag on it it will likely not boot
[01:05] <magn3ts> but thats super easy to fix
[01:05] <LAcan> magn3ts, its not an active partition thing, im pretty competent with partisiton and volume managment
[01:05] <magn3ts> LAcan, I see. I probably won't be able to help then :P sorry
[01:05] <LAcan> basically i somehow got an unsigned version of the vista boot loader (winload.exe) and now vista wont run the damn file
[01:06] <LAcan> its making me mental
[01:06] <lwizardl> joshmc, umm not really I am only a beginner in programming but since most podcasts have their own websites how hard is it to parse a xml file and proccess that data into links
[01:07] <magn3ts> joshmc, give me an example link to an xml file that you're tryign to us
[01:07] <lwizardl> joshmc, if I had my own podcast it would only take a single application to submit my xml feeds to and then be able to have instant access to each feed
[01:08] <lwizardl> magn3ts, I think your confused on what was said. I use xml as an example to his only Apple could be large enough to provide  central database
[01:08] <magn3ts> ah
[01:08] <magn3ts> isn't he looking for an app to consume a podcast feed though
[01:08] <magn3ts> or did I misunderstand that as well :/
[01:09] <lwizardl> magn3ts, nope I was looking for an application similar to Itunes for us linux users for subscribing and downloading of podcasts
[01:09] <joshmc> lwizardl: that's why I suggested an online register of podcasts as opposed to a builtin search =s for whatever reason it would seem the app makers haven't provided much (updated) info. Sorry I can't be of more help but maybe someone else has a history with podcasts.
[01:10] <Raikia> lwizardl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_podcatchers
[01:10] <lwizardl> joshmc, not a problem man. I have been searching for a good application now for about 2 years and nothing fills the place. Maybe its just time I bite the bullet and learn linux programming and see what I can do instead of just bitching :)
[01:10] <Raikia> I like Juice the most
[01:10] <magn3ts> How can I list X instances running on my machine.
[01:11] <magn3ts> lwizardl, does Apple maintain that list?
[01:11] <magn3ts> Just find out where Apple stores that list on their server and download it
[01:11] <magn3ts> Or find out their API for searching (if it searches server side) and try to implement it in a library or something.
[01:11] <joshmc> magn3ts: try ps aux|grep name-of-app
[01:11] <lwizardl> Raikia, yeah but they don't have a linux version yet
[01:12] <lwizardl> magn3ts, yeah but then if Apple was to ever change something it would break the library
[01:12] <Raikia> lwizardl: I use it through Wine.  It works fine
[01:13] <magn3ts> joshmc, sadly it doesn't tell me what DISPLAY= to set
[01:13] <lwizardl> Raikia, I switched to Linux to remove windows from my life, I don't want to use the applications
[01:13] <Raikia> Haha, touche
[01:13] <saganbyte> hi there
[01:14] <saganbyte> i m trying to install ubuntu 10.10 netbook remix on a asus netbook that i just bought.I made the usb installer as the ubuntu site suggested, but the netbook just wont boot from the usb :(
[01:14] <saganbyte> please help
[01:14] <joshmc> magn3ts: hmm? What task are you trying to complete?
[01:14] <Juest> hey, why arecord is always active using sound???
[01:15] <bastidrazor> magn3ts: you could just use 'w' to list who's logged in and it'll show if they are using an X session
[01:15] <paideia> if I'm watching a flash movie through the browser, how do I find the corresponding rtmp url?
[01:15] <magn3ts> bastidrazor, still doesn't show me the DISPLAY id to use :/
[01:16] <joshmc> magn3ts, you can check the DISPLAY through echo $DISPLAY , but I'd guess you knew that. What are you trying to do?
[01:17] <bastidrazor> magn3ts: why don't you ask your "real" question instead of hinting around at what you are really after.
[01:17] <magn3ts> I want to open an app on my other display....
[01:17] <Juest> hey
[01:17] <magn3ts> but I don't know the DISPLAY id of the other X server
[01:17] <Juest> how do i open and manage multiples display?
[01:17] <magn3ts> and I don't have *Anything* running on it to echo out $DISPLAY
[01:18] <Juest> and how do i specify multiple x server?
[01:18] <smw> Juest, why do you want multiple x servers?
[01:18] <escott> magn3ts my ps aux does list the display /usr/bin/X :0 -nr -verbose -auth /var/run/gdm/auth-for-gdm-7UIm5d/da
[01:18] <smw> Juest, that is just asking for trouble. What is your real problem?
[01:18] <shcherbak> saganbyte: Did you try to press F2 for boot menu?
[01:19] <wcchandler> Is 11.04 going to be an LTS?
[01:19] <saganbyte> shcherbak: yes i did and set boot device order to removable
[01:19] <Juest> nothing, just wanting to run multiple X to use with apps
[01:19] <smw> Juest, why?
[01:19] <rww> wcchandler: no
[01:19] <Juest> and how do i kill unwanted x screens?
[01:19] <Juest> not any
[01:19] <wcchandler> When was the last LTS?
[01:19] <shcherbak> Juest: Alt-Ctrl-F2 , xinit -- :1 vt8 , startx (gnome at Alt-Ctrl-F7 and F8)
[01:19] <rww> wcchandler: 10.04
[01:20] <wcchandler> rww: thanks :)
[01:20] <joshmc> magn3ets: I'd go about it by switching to a vt, setting DISPLAY=:0 (which is my X server) and testing a simple app, than incrementing it (DISPLAY=:1 , simple app etc)
[01:20] <bastidrazor> Juest: log out of it.
[01:20] <Juest> -.-
[01:20] <joshmc> magn3ts:  see above, and alos shcherbak
[01:20] <Juest> still not understanding
[01:21] <joshmc> magn3ts:  despite shch 's post being for someone else that looks like it could be helpful to you too :)
[01:21] <magn3ts> joshmc, yeah it seems brutey but that might work I could script it fairy easily.
[01:21] <magn3ts> joshmc, what post is/was that?
[01:21] <shcherbak> saganbyte: bios may see two types of usb drives, eventually test your drive on any other machine.
[01:21] <joshmc> : Alt-Ctrl-F2 , xinit -- :1 vt8 , startx (gnome at Alt-Ctrl-F7 and F8)
[01:22] <joshmc> magn3ts ^
[01:22] <magn3ts> joshmc, ah, yeah, I know how to do that sort of thing, not the side of things I'm needing though, thanks.
[01:22] <bastidrazor> joshmc: startx -- :1 ...would be a better route to take.
[01:22] <thien> plugin-container eats 18% CPU. what's it?
[01:23] <LAcan> if i rebuild my MBR is that gonna mess GRUB up?
[01:23] <magn3ts> thien, chrome/firefox's flash.
[01:23] <Juest> hey
[01:23] <Juest> it says fatal error
[01:23] <shcherbak> bastidrazor: Yup, but harder to see there are troubles (with xinit you have extra xrerver output).
[01:23] <Juest> 0:0 already running
[01:23] <Juest> and if i log out it just restarts :(
[01:23] <shcherbak> *xserver
[01:23] <astory> is there a more recent guide to making a custom live cd than https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization ?  It seems to have been last update for 9.04.
[01:23] <escott> LAcan, yes you would need to reinstall the grub first stage
[01:23] <wcchandler> I'm having trouble finding the .torrent for 10.04 amd64
[01:23] <Juest> then it tires to clean log
[01:24] <Juest> hey
[01:24] <wcchandler> desktop
[01:24] <Juest> help here
[01:24] <LAcan> escott how would I do that? can I do it from the ubuntu disk?
[01:24] <escott> LAcan, see man grub-setup
[01:24] <Juest> joshmc: help here,
[01:24] <wierd0{}> will ubuntu fix their operating system in time for release ?
[01:24] <olvap> how could i create multiples parts of a some file in ubuntu? i have a file of 6 gb and a pendrive of 3 gb
[01:24] <magn3ts> Juest read some docs, you need to specify another port for the new X instance to run on.
[01:24] <astory> olvap: man split
[01:25] <escott> olvap, man split
[01:25] <astory> and then cat to put them back together
[01:25] <magn3ts> Juest, what are you trying to do anyway? There's probably an easier way to do this.
[01:25] <hiexpo> wcchandler, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/lucid/release/
[01:25] <Juest> where i have to specify it?
[01:25] <thien> in windows, it's normally ~2%. why is it too high in ubuntu?
[01:25] <cosmo18> anyone know python decently could tell me a script for pushing the "," indefinitely, I am trying to learn python but I just started and trying to get Autokey to work
[01:25] <Juest> magn3ts: i just want to run another x server and get into it and else
[01:26] <Juest> xterm, etc
[01:26] <astory> cosmo18: try #python
[01:26] <magn3ts> Juest, you can run Xephyr
[01:26] <magn3ts> Juest, that will run X inside a window in your current X instance.
[01:26] <Juest> ah lol
[01:26] <Juest> and how do i  kill unwanted x servers???
[01:27] <saganbyte> is there some way i can install ubuntu directly off the internet?
[01:27] <saganbyte> ubuntu netbook that is
[01:27] <magn3ts> Juest, using "kill" :P
[01:27] <magn3ts> saganbyte, there's a netinstaller for the netbook edition
[01:27] <shcherbak> Juest: In tty where you stared it.
[01:27] <Juest> where?
[01:27] <magn3ts> saganbyte, though netbook edition is deprecated now.
[01:27] <Juest> ah
[01:27] <shcherbak> *stated
[01:27] <Juest> but there's no tty
[01:27] <Juest> because system runs it
[01:27] <escott> cosmo18, there are lots of command line x event generators
[01:28] <saganbyte> magn3ts: can i not install netbook 10.10 over th net?
[01:28] <shcherbak> Juest: Oh, sudo service gdm stop
[01:28] <magn3ts> saganbyte, I think you can.
[01:28] <shcherbak> Juest: No x at all
[01:28] <Juest> instead of doing killall Xorg
[01:28] <codex84> upgrade ktorrent to 4.1
[01:28] <codex84> ?
[01:28] <Juest> it kills every x :(
[01:28] <thien> is there someway to replace/improve plugin-container for lower cpu usage?
[01:28] <escott> Juest, close the last open xterm/exit the session and the X instance should close
[01:28] <slakar_> its me
[01:28] <saganbyte> magn3ts: i just bought this asus netbook and it wont boot from removable devide :(
[01:28] <Juest> ah
[01:28] <Juest> ah thanks
[01:29] <saganbyte> magn3ts: i had craeted a usb based on the instructions on the ubuntu site
[01:29] <Juest> sure?
[01:29] <magn3ts> saganbyte, are you 100% sure you're doing it right?
[01:29] <olvap> how could i create multiples parts of a some file in ubuntu? i have a file of 6 gb and a pendrive of 3 gb. but! i need to join it in windows
[01:29] <Juest> and if the x was launched without nothing?
[01:29] <magn3ts> saganbyte, did you look in the bios settings?
[01:29] <astory> saganbyte: have you looked in the bios?  that's a pretty painful thing to work around
[01:29] <magn3ts> olvap, you were already told the answer to that question twice.
[01:29] <saganbyte> magn3ts: i did set the boot order to removalble first
[01:29] <tanath> does anyone know how the Disk Mounter applet mounts without sudo/gksu? i'd like the command for a script
[01:29] <shcherbak> olvap: get rar (in repos)
[01:29] <magn3ts> saganbyte, If the bios supports it... it should be possible somehow.
[01:29] <astory> schmidtm: split is all he needs
[01:30] <olvap> magn3ts i cannot use splice in windows
[01:30] <magn3ts> olvap, why are you asking about windows in #ubuntu?
[01:30] <astory> olvap: sureley there's a windows equivalent of cat
[01:30] <Juest> erm and i am having troubles with sound
[01:30] <escott> olvap, you should also be able to cat in windows, although the unix/windows difference in CRLF vs CR could cause problems
[01:30] <Juest> as normal user / root desktop
[01:30] <shcherbak> alad_o: You there?
[01:30] <astory> olvap: type file1 file2 > file3
[01:30] <magn3ts> olvap, if you're just joining them back in windows that's not hard to do.
[01:30] <astory> (on windows shell)
[01:30] <saganbyte> magn3ts: do you think the usb that i created could be just good for Wubi and not a bootable ubuntu?
[01:30] <Juest> hey
[01:30] <magn3ts> escott, that would be a problem if he had a 6gb jumpdrive anyway.
[01:30] <magn3ts> saganbyte, no
[01:30] <astory> saganbyte: IIRC, it'll do both
[01:31] <Juest> root@<PCName>:~# alsa force-unload
[01:31] <Juest> Terminating processes: 2337 3720 3729 3738 (with SIGKILL:) 3747 (failed: processes still using sound devices: 3756(arecord)).
[01:31] <magn3ts> saganbyte, I don't know why someone would craft a jumpdrive just for wubi considering it runs inside windows anyway.
[01:31] <Juest> /sbin/alsa: Warning: Processes using sound devices: 3756(arecord).
[01:31] <Juest> Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-seq-midi snd-rawmidi snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-seq-device snd-intel8x0 snd-ac97-codec snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc (failed: modules still loaded: snd-intel8x0 snd-ac97-codec snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc).
[01:31] <FloodBot3> Juest: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:31] <saganbyte> astory: i cant understand why a brand new asus netbook wont recognize my ubuntu usb
[01:31] <shcherbak> !pastebin | Juest
[01:31] <tanath> does anyone know how the Disk Mounter applet mounts without sudo/gksu? i'd like the command for a script
[01:32] <escott> saganbyte, you're trying to boot right. does the pen drive boot on other systems?
[01:32] <saganbyte> magn3ts: astory , i m installing boot helper out of the usb .. do you think that ll help
[01:32] <shcherbak> tanath: man mount
[01:32] <titov> i am trying to hit my website using https rather than port 80 but the browser keeps complaining that there is an SSL connection error
[01:32] <Juest> ok
[01:32] <titov> i have ssl enabled
[01:32] <saganbyte> escott: unfortunately there are only macs all around... only one windows netbook that i m trying to install ubuntu on :(
[01:32] <titov> the ssl port is also set in ports.conf
[01:32] <ActionParsnip> titov: you can specify the port if you want
[01:32] <tanath> shcherbak, mount requires sudo/gksu
[01:33] <Juest> hey, here's some log of a alsa script
[01:33] <titov> i want port 443
[01:33] <Juest> http://pastebin.com/1RLJvkSv
[01:33] <magn3ts> saganbyte, not sure I parsed your sentence correctly, but there would need to be a bootloader on the front of the usb drive for the bios to detect it
[01:33] <shcherbak> tanath: Really?
[01:33] <Juest> i am having troubles with sound
[01:33] <astory> saganbyte: how did you prepare your usb?
[01:33] <ActionParsnip> titov: then use:  https://address:443
[01:33] <Juest> and i have enabled sanned
[01:33] <magn3ts> or however the bios detects bootable media, not sure for non-hard drives.
[01:33] <magn3ts> astory, he said he followed the ubuntu.com directions.
[01:33] <titov> https is not working
[01:33] <Juest> how do i specify x server port?
[01:33] <tanath> shcherbak, or at least the path you want to mount to. mounting through various apps like disk mounter applet automatically mount to /media though
[01:33] <saganbyte> astory: i used a usb installer creator that the ubuntu netbook section shows
[01:33] <titov> even with :443 at the end
[01:34] <Juest> hey
[01:34] <alad_o> Shcherbak, yes and i managed to solve it with the help of escott, i had to del the conf file and restart gdm, then i could get into the gui where i removed the setting
[01:34] <Juest> guys.....
[01:34] <titov> it's almost as if it is not listening on port 443
[01:34] <astory> saganbyte: that should have done it correctly.  Are you sure you correctly told your bios to boot off of it?
[01:34] <tanath> shcherbak, i figure there's a gnome function or something being used. like how reloading packages via update manager bypasses need for password
[01:34] <astory> Juest: can you give some details of your system?
[01:34] <astory> like, what sound card?
[01:35] <saganbyte> astory: i set the boot order to removable and now when i boot it says reboot and select propler boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device
[01:35] <Tyrnis> plop all
[01:35] <saganbyte> astory: there are only 3 usb slots
[01:35] <Juest> ok, whois me, i included a basic info in real name
[01:35] <saganbyte> astory: i tried all
[01:35] <astory> saganbyte: hrm, that definitely sounds like it doesn't think it's bootable.  I'm out of ideas :/
[01:36] <astory> without doing that you'd have a hard time installing
[01:36] <escott> saganbyte, bootable usb are tricky where did you get yours?
[01:36] <titov> ActionParsnip, if i make my vhost.conf file for that site *:443 rather than *:80, apache won't even start
[01:36] <titov> it will fail to start
[01:36] <astory> it would be terrible to do so, but you *could* take the hard drive out and use another computer
[01:36] <Juest> whoed me???
[01:36] <titov> where else should i be specifying that port?
[01:36] <saganbyte> escott: i just used a thumb that was lying around
[01:37] <saganbyte> escott: do you think something could be wrong ith the thumb? like writeprotected etc?
[01:37] <ActionParsnip> titov: you can specify it in the browser. You could ask in an apache channel, its more specific to your issue
[01:37] <escott> saganbyte, this is a normal usb not some special promo usb
[01:37] <Juest> astory: whois me
[01:37] <escott> saganbyte, some of the promo ones have special undeletable sectors
[01:37] <shcherbak> tanath: read about pmount: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB
[01:37] <titov> if i specify it, it won't do anything either
[01:37] <saganbyte> escott: you are right, it is a promo thumb!''
[01:37] <titov> i'll try the apache channel, thanks
[01:38] <saganbyte> escott: i ll try another
[01:38] <Juest> and i am running 28 version of the kernel
[01:38] <Juest> upgrading to 29
[01:38] <Juest> hey
[01:38] <astory> Juest: I'm not an expert on sound systems, but I had trouble getting it to work on an atom motherboard, so if you're using that it could cause problems
[01:38] <tanath> shcherbak, it's actually a partition on main (internal) HDD, not USB
[01:38] <Juest> actonparship: log of your command
[01:38] <Juest> http://pastebin.com/1RLJvkSv
[01:38] <Juest> i am using a vm
[01:39] <Juest> without hw asist
[01:39] <Juest> astory
[01:39] <suicidolt> how do I set up ubuntu to boot from my flash drive, it doesn't seem to work
[01:39] <ActionParsnip> Juest: use tab to complete nicks
[01:39] <Juest> ok
[01:39] <Juest> what?
[01:39] <thien> ok, i sloved high cpu usage by disabling plugin-container. Thanks everyone.
[01:39] <suicidolt> Juest: <- like that
[01:39] <tanath> shcherbak, and it doesn't automount, i have to mount it, but the various means of doing so through GUI don't prompt for pass
[01:40] <Juest> ActionParsnip: ah, thanks :)
[01:40] <ActionParsnip> Juest: what is the red url in the output?
[01:40] <Juest> oh, i used highlighting, bash one
[01:40] <shcherbak> tanath: My bad, there is no hint of pmount in mount manpages, one sec, there is how to about fuse...
[01:40] <tanath> shcherbak, basically, i want the command that nautilus & disk mounter use to mount without asking for pass
[01:40] <Juest> bash highlighting*
[01:40] <Persephone``> Trying to get a game going using WINE and aparantly it installed just right, only one problem though it won't recognize the CD in the drive.
[01:40] <Juest> ActionParsnip: ok, so?
[01:41] <ActionParsnip> Juest: ok then copy the url and paste in here
[01:41] <Juest> http://pastebin.com/1RLJvkSv
[01:41] <tanath> shcherbak, ah, yes, it's prolly a fuse thing
[01:41] <Juest> that
[01:41] <magn3ts> tanath, are you sure that nautilus doesn't have privileges when it auto mounts
[01:41] <tanath> magn3ts, it doesn't automount
[01:41] <Juest> idk what's the url at alsa
[01:41] <ActionParsnip> Juest: no, I've seen that. There is the most importnat piece of info missing
[01:41] <Juest> alsa-project.org
[01:41] <tanath> magn3ts, and yes. i don't generally run nautilus as root
[01:41] <Juest> ok, i don't know where it went
[01:41] <ActionParsnip> Juest: read the text you pastebinned, look at line 40
[01:42] <Juest> ok
[01:42] <Juest> i have term open
[01:42] <Juest> and i upgraded once the kernel
[01:42] <ActionParsnip> Juest: we need the location of the information
[01:42] <Juest> i am at 28
[01:42] <shcherbak> tanath: Wait, why partition is unmounted?
[01:42] <tanath> magn3ts, i need the command so i can run something on that partition via script. i want it to check if the path exists and if not, mount it and proceed
[01:42] <tanath> shcherbak, that's the default. i ahve to mount it again every time i reboot
[01:43] <Juest> line 40 says nothing about the location
[01:43] <tanath> shcherbak, doesn't automount
[01:43] <tanath> shcherbak, not sure i want it to either
[01:43] <tiagoscd> hello
[01:43] <magn3ts> tanath, why not put it in fstab or run your script as root? (I'm just spitballing ideas, I don't know how nautilus does it)
[01:43] <shcherbak> tanath: It may be easier to edit fstab, then run wired script.
[01:43] <tanath> magn3ts, mhm, i've thought of that. i don't think i want it automounting though
[01:43] <tiagoscd> can any member help me with a people.ubuntu.com connection?
[01:44] <Juest> ActionParsnip: ok, i have kernel 28 and the saned enabled
[01:44] <Juest> and dummy driver seems to take control
[01:44] <magn3ts> I think you can put it in fstab and not have it automount, but it will still allow non-root users to mount it.
[01:44] <Juest> nothing more
[01:44] <ActionParsnip> Juest: did you enable sound in the virtualbox config?
[01:44] <tanath> shcherbak, easiest would be to have that command. i don't think i want it automounting...
[01:45] <tanath> shcherbak, it's a matter of finding the command though
[01:45] <Juest> yes, but that is not making any sense
[01:45] <Juest> because is ok
[01:45] <Juest> perfectly configured
[01:45] <shcherbak> tanath: pmount should cope. And it is not command, your system is managed this not other way.
[01:45] <Juest> let me reboot and try with intel hd
[01:45] <tanath> magn3ts, i don't want to run the script as root, i want it quick and easy - minimal effort/interaction. it's to run a game.
[01:46] <Juest> but that seems to have troubles with ALSA
[01:46] <paq7512> what is a recommended program for ipods?
[01:46] <thien> how to watch cpu temperature?
[01:46] <magn3ts> tanath, put it in fstab, mark as not auto mount, a reg user can mount it.
[01:46] <Juest> ActionParsnip...
[01:46] <Persephone``> Trying to get a game going using WINE and aparantly it installed just right, only one problem though it won't recognize the CD in the drive when I try to execute it.
[01:46] <codex84> what program to use to transfer file from my ubuntu
[01:46] <codex84> to my laptop
[01:46] <codex84> ?
[01:46] <tanath> shcherbak, pmount might be what i'm looking for. thanks
[01:46] <Nickiy> Is there any Chinese chatting room
[01:46] <astory> codex84: what platform is your laptop?
[01:47] <Juest> and virtualbox guest addons are not working properly
[01:47] <codex84> windows xp
[01:47] <rww> !lm-sensors | thien
[01:47] <magn3ts> tanath, I think Nautilus does it through `gnome-volume-manager`... which does run as root.
[01:47] <tanath> magn3ts, i've run into issues with manual mounting. it can break the magic mounting :P
[01:47] <astory> codex84: try setting up a windows network share from ubuntu
[01:47] <codex84> windows xp is on the laptop
[01:47] <codex84> and ubuntu on desktop*
[01:47] <thien> rww,ubottu: thanks
[01:47] <magn3ts> tanath, let me put it this way, what you're trying to do is impossible as far as I understand.
[01:48] <tanath> magn3ts, don't have it installed
[01:48] <magn3ts> A regular user can not mount volumes that are not listed in fstab.
[01:48] <magn3ts> tanath, oh. :/
[01:48] <tanath> magn3ts, obviously it isn't
[01:48] <codex84> how u do that?
[01:48] <astory> codex84: winscp might do it too
[01:48] <tanath> magn3ts, nautilus and disk mounter applet both mount them just fine. i need to know how they do it. shcherbak pointed me at pmount. that may be how it works
[01:48] <magn3ts> tanath, I think it's been  renamed.
[01:48] <Juest> so?
[01:48] <astory> here's an old tutorial I found with a little googling.  The windows share service is called "samba" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202605
[01:49] <Juest> ActionParsnip: so?
[01:49] <magn3ts> tanath, well FWIW I don't have pmount installed...
[01:49] <tanath> magn3ts, hmm
[01:49] <Juest> c'mon, i want the sound working
[01:49] <tanath> magn3ts, same
[01:49] <Juest> and i have to eat dinner now
[01:49] <thien> how many space is the requirement for ubuntu 10.04 ?
[01:49] <rww> !requirements | thien
[01:49]  * Juest goes to dinner :(
[01:49] <tanath> shcherbak, pmount isn't installed, so that can't be how it's being mounted
[01:50] <magn3ts> tanath, there's a lot of options here but none seem to be consistent with what I have installed: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/483460/how-to-mount-from-command-line-like-the-nautilus-does
[01:50] <shcherbak> tanath: magn3ts is right, fix fstab, pmount is optional package, you need to install it.
[01:50] <magn3ts> tanath, I think pmount is what you need to look into. I suspect nautilus has pmounts functionality built in rather than using it.
[01:51] <magn3ts> But I don't know any more to help you, sorry and I must leave now.
[01:51] <astory> thien: ubuntu.com says 5 gigs, you can probably get away with less than that
[01:51] <tanath> shcherbak, magn3ts: there's likely something built into gnome, like with the update manager not needing pass to update package list. and such things can be done via terminal, like changing wallpaper with gconftool
[01:51] <astory> is there a reason why dpkg doesn't install packages while downloading others?
[01:51] <tanath> shcherbak, no, that may work, but it's not what's happening here, and in my experience trying other forms of mounting breaks this magic kind
[01:52] <doncams> hello there
[01:52] <tanath> shcherbak, if fstab was a problem, then why does it work as is now?
[01:52] <maco> astory: probably related to packages needing to be installed in the right order
[01:52] <ActionParsnip> Juest: saying "so" does absolutely nothing
[01:52] <doncams> I have a windows 7 and linux mint 9 partition and I want to replace linux mint with ubuntu
[01:52] <maco> astory: in the case of ones with circular dependencies, "right order" = "simultaneously"
[01:52] <doncams> how do I do that without affecting my win7?
[01:52] <magn3ts> astory, dependency resolution?
[01:52] <bazhang> doncams, then install over the mint partition
[01:52] <pac1> when you install, partition manually.
[01:53] <tanath> magn3ts, that is unlikely. if it wanted pmount's functionality it would have a dependency. *nix is all about high modularity and reusing code rather than reinventing the wheel
[01:53] <doncams> how bout the grub?
[01:53] <ActionParsnip> Juest: if you run the command again, you will make a url. Until you give us that url we can't do anything, that enough "so" for you?
[01:53] <pac1> just reuse your mint partition.
[01:53] <bazhang> doncams, it'll write win in there for you
[01:53] <magn3ts> tanath, well the wallpaper is drawn by nautilus anyway.
[01:53] <astory> maco: but most packages don't have circular dependencies, it seems like a pretty easy optimization to make
[01:53] <doncams> ok... so it won't affect grub or anything?
[01:53] <pac1> find out if grub2 will do windows 7.
[01:53] <magn3ts> tanath, I wouldn't be so sure. It's fucking nautilus after all :/
[01:53] <ActionParsnip> !language |magn3ts
[01:53] <bazhang> magn3ts, no cursing
[01:53] <tanath> magn3ts, point is, gnome functions have ways to be done via CLI
[01:53]  * magn3ts apologies for the language, other irc channels bleeding over.
[01:53] <tanath> magn3ts, heh
[01:54] <astory> download packages in the same order you're going to install them, and install them once they've downloaded, but don't wait for the rest
[01:54] <shcherbak> tanath: gconftool, or gui - gconeditor
[01:54] <pac1> then in the install, put the boot loader on the mbr record.
[01:54] <bazhang> astory, not the way its done, really outside the scope of this channel
[01:54] <astory> schmidtm: gconf-editor?
[01:54] <tanath> shcherbak, that there's a gui to config gnome stuff is irrelevant to the point i was making ;)
[01:54] <astory> bazhang: where should I ask for more details?
[01:54] <tanath> shcherbak, that there are commands to do things for basically everything via CLI
[01:55] <bazhang> astory, thats not some itsy bitsy tweak you are talking about. try some mailing lists
[01:55] <doncams> thanks man. i'm going to do that now.
[01:55] <tanath> shcherbak, know an easy way to monitor say, DIsk Mounter applet to see what it does?
[01:55] <hey_pig> Anyone know anything about .sql scripts?
[01:55] <shcherbak> tanath: You asked. Still linky from magn3ts show most of options for you.
[01:55] <bazhang> !lists | astory
[01:55] <astory> thanks :D
[01:56] <magn3ts> tanath, you could just dl the source code for it
[01:56] <tanath> magn3ts, taht's a thought...
[01:56] <bazhang> hey_pig, please ask a real question
[01:58] <magn3ts> hey_pig, probably the wrong room to be honest with you.
[01:58] <matias> Hello guys
[01:58] <ActionParsnip> hi matias
[01:58] <axle> hey! I got a strange problem with 11.04 beta2: I booted the live session and could use the new unity ui. so far so good... then I installed it onto my HDD and booted from there. after logging in, ubuntu tells me my hardware wouldn't support the unity desktop, and now I have to use the old gnome desktop, no matter what session I select at login :/ I got a quite new notebook with i5 and nvidia 410m graphics, may that be a problem?
[01:58] <shcherbak> astory: You misspelled me?
[01:59] <matias> can anyone give me a standard source.list please?
[01:59] <rww> axle: #ubuntu is for supported versions of Ubuntu only. Please use #ubuntu+1 for natty until it's released (probably on the 28th). Thanks!
[01:59] <bazhang> axle, #ubuntu+1 please
[01:59] <axle> oh damm didn't know that
[01:59] <axle> sorry
[02:00] <ActionParsnip> axle: if you can't fix a simple thing like that, I advise you use Maverick
[02:00] <hackathon> bilalobot: ubuntu
[02:00] <bilalobot> hackathon: Ubuntu () is a computer operating system based on the Debian GNU/Linux distribution and distributed as free and open source software.
[02:00] <matias> never mind, I found it :)
[02:00] <hackathon> wow
[02:00] <hackathon> bilalobot works cool.
[02:00] <hackathon> bilalobot: linux
[02:00] <bazhang> hackathon, remove the bot
[02:00] <bilalobot> hackathon: Linux (commonly   in English, also   in Europe) refers to the family of Unix-like computer operating systems using the Linux kernel.
[02:00] <astory> shcherbak: sorry :/ I think you meant gconf-editor , the gui command you listed didn't work on my system
[02:01] <hackathon> bazhang: i coded that.
[02:01] <bazhang> hackathon, no bots here without permission
[02:01] <ActionParsnip> hackathon: doesn't matter, it needlessly spams the channel
[02:01] <shcherbak> astory: You right.
[02:01] <hackathon> no
[02:01] <hackathon> i can make do a lot
[02:01] <bazhang> hackathon, not here you cannot
[02:01] <hackathon> ok
[02:02] <passthru> I just installed KDE on my Ubuntu 10.10 but I am getting errors when I log in
[02:02] <passthru> the kde simply don't loads at all
[02:02] <codex84> how you upgrade ktorrent
[02:02] <codex84> to the latest version?
[02:02] <passthru> when I log in, it shows a bar with some icons appearing, but sudenly i get back into GDM screen
[02:03] <astory> codex84: did you try the package manager?  Otherwise, you'll have to download it from their website
[02:03] <passthru> any tip ?
[02:03] <codex84> yea i did not there
[02:03] <bazhang> passthru, installed with what package
[02:03] <astory> they may offer a ppa which would let you use the package manager too
[02:03] <passthru> bazhang, xubuntu repository
[02:03] <bazhang> codex84, ubuntu is not a rolling release so you wait for it
[02:03] <bazhang> passthru, which package
[02:03] <passthru> bazhang,  sorry, kubuntu
[02:03] <ActionParsnip> !ppa | codex84
[02:04] <magn3ts> codex84, what astory said or through a PPA.
[02:04] <magn3ts> grr
[02:04] <matias> what was the next release after Gutsy?
[02:04] <rww> matias: hardy
[02:04] <suicidolt> does anyone know how to fix ubuntu's inability to boot from a flash drive?
[02:04] <passthru> bazhang, ok, I installed by kubuntu-desktop
[02:04] <matias> thank you
[02:04] <magn3ts> matias, Hardy?
[02:04] <bazhang> passthru, whats the error
[02:04] <astory> codex84: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports apparently contains it
[02:04] <bazhang> suicidolt, whats the error
[02:04] <astory> http://www.webcoz.com/how-to-install-ktorrent-bit-torrent-client-in-kubuntu-backports-ppa/
[02:04] <passthru> bazhang,  it simply doesn't loads
[02:04] <magn3ts> suicidolt, it's probably not ubuntu's inability...
[02:04] <astory> however, that may update other programs too that you don't want
[02:05] <passthru> bazhang, I log in, and it start loading, but I get sudenly at GDM screen
[02:05] <suicidolt> bazhang: it doesn't boot from the flash drive, it skips it
[02:05] <magn3ts> suicidolt, check your bios.
[02:05] <bazhang> suicidolt, from a hdd? a usb key?
[02:05] <ActionParsnip> codex84: https://launchpad.net/~ferramroberto/+archive/maverick   also has ktorrent 4.1
[02:05] <passthru> bazhang, it lasts 2 secs max
[02:05] <matias> lol
[02:05] <passthru> bazhang,  i just tested by issuing "plasma-desktop" with a gnome session open and it loaded
[02:06] <suicidolt> magn3ts, bazhang I installed ubuntu via a flash drive, setting up the bios to flash drive first, and once ubuntu was installed, it would no longer boot from the flash drive.  I even checked the bios, nothing has changed
[02:06] <passthru> bazhang,  but I get that weird error when I try to login
[02:06] <ActionParsnip> codex84: whats so new in 4.1 that you can't wait?
[02:06] <nikiy> I have some problems.When my 'smplayer' is playing,it has no sounds.
[02:07] <ActionParsnip> nikiy: do other apps have sound?
[02:07] <passthru> bazhang, i am suspecting about my crappy video card. It uses any coposite features by default? if yes, do you know where can I disable it ?
[02:07] <suicidolt> I read something about some config in ubuntu that was outdated, but I don't remember what it was
[02:07] <nikiy> ActionParsnip:vlc hasn't
[02:07] <bazhang> passthru, I'd ask in #kubuntu
[02:08] <TerryBook> can anyone recommend a good beginners book for learning programming?
[02:08] <ActionParsnip> nikiy: can you give the output of: wget -O alsa-info.sh http://alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && bash ./alsa-info.sh
[02:08] <ActionParsnip> TerryBook: in what language?
[02:08] <nikiy> ActionParsnip: dragon hasn't too.Only amarok has sounds
[02:08] <suicidolt> TerryBook: "Complete Idiots Guide"s are great, basic & pascal are usually great starter languages
[02:08] <passthru> bazhang, Okay. Thank you. :]
[02:08] <ActionParsnip> +1 for pascal
[02:09] <matias> (I'm installing openssh-server on Gutsy using the Hardy repositories lol)
[02:09] <ActionParsnip> matias: I wouldn't you may break your packages
[02:09] <ActionParsnip> matias: gutsy is EOL
[02:09] <astory> matias: why are you still running gutsy?
[02:09] <matias> I know lol
[02:09] <matias> it's a Live CD I'm using it to backup some things
[02:09] <ActionParsnip> matias: why the 'lol'?
[02:09] <TerryBook> I'm looking at c++ actually....I taught myself c64 basic when I was in 4th grade, but it's been so long I don't remember much of it
[02:10] <suicidolt> TerryBook: btw, that's my advice, from a programmer
[02:10] <ActionParsnip> TerryBook: then i'd ask in #c++
[02:10] <suicidolt> c# is used more these days
[02:10] <matias> I don't know, it sounds crazy in fact, but there's no package for Gutzy on ubuntu.com
[02:10] <matias> Gutsy*
[02:10] <ActionParsnip> matias: thats because it's dead
[02:10] <ActionParsnip> matias: gutsy is EOL
[02:11] <matias> yep, I know but I didn't have any newer live CD
[02:11] <astory> matias: got a usb drive?  it doesn't take long to make one bootable
[02:11] <ActionParsnip> matias: so how is it crazy that there are no packages for an unsupported release....
[02:11] <ActionParsnip> matias: it makes absolute sense
[02:11] <matias> no, the crazy thing is that I'm installing it that way, no that you don't have any support anymore hehe
[02:12] <ActionParsnip> matias: if you use a Lucid CD you will be fully supported
[02:12] <matias> it works!
[02:13] <matias> what's the default password?
[02:13] <bazhang> matias, there is none
[02:13] <matias> hmn, it's requesting me one to use ssh but it doesn't accept an empty oen
[02:13] <matias> one*
[02:14] <matias> Permission denied (publickey,password).
[02:14] <ActionParsnip> matias: gutsy isn't supported, so we can't help you
[02:14] <shcherbak> matias: LiveCD do not come with ssh-server.
[02:14] <thien> I press ctrl+alt+f1, then login. how to show my desktop?
[02:14] <r0fs3ck5> hi all.  I am having trouble changing ownership permissions on a hard drive.  I have tried chown but it keeps reverting to root as the owner.  does anyone know what the problem might be?
[02:15] <ActionParsnip> thien: run:   startx
[02:15] <astory> thien: ctrl+alt+f7 should do it
[02:15] <matias> shcherbak, I know but I installed it
[02:15] <ActionParsnip> r0fs3ck5: is the partition mounted read only
[02:15] <astory> there are 6 (f1-f6) plain ttys and 6 (f7-f12) graphical ttys
[02:15] <astory> but why are you logging in that way?
[02:15] <r0fs3ck5> ActionParsnip: no, I can write to it if I browse as root
[02:15] <matias> maybe I should change it for a moment just to be able to use SSH
[02:15] <Juest> hey, any answers to my questions???
[02:16] <bazhang> Juest, patience
[02:16] <ActionParsnip> Juest: until you get that url, I can't advise on your sound issue
[02:16] <ActionParsnip> matias: do what you want, your OS is not supported here
[02:16] <thien> ok startx not worked but ctrl+alt+f7 did
[02:16] <ActionParsnip> thien: then the X server was already running :)
[02:16] <arand> r0fs3ck5: Is it an ntfs/fat filesystem?
[02:17] <thien> ok
[02:17] <astory> !tty | thien
[02:17] <Juest> I don't know what's the URL!
[02:17] <thien> if my computer crashes, what i have to do?
[02:17] <matias> done :)
[02:18] <r0fs3ck5> arand: yes, ntfs, transferred from a windows 7 machine.  I'm using Ubuntu 10.04
[02:18] <matias> it's working absolutely well in fact
[02:18] <astory> thien: what kind of crash?  what are the symptoms?  In practice I don't observe crashes often
[02:18] <arand> r0fs3ck5: You will need to set permissions at mount time.
[02:18] <ActionParsnip> Juest: it's generated when you run the script, you removed the URL when you made the pastebin
[02:18] <Phong_> anyone use vmware?
[02:19] <magn3ts> ActionParsnip, whats that script, let me try it.
[02:19] <GeekMan> hi i have been building a program called lightspark but i get an error when i start the make command i get these errors
[02:19] <magn3ts> Phong_, VirtualBox here.
[02:19] <Juest> yes, i have terminal output THERE'S NO URL
[02:19] <GeekMan> make[2]: *** [CMakeFiles/spark.dir/parsing/amf3_generator.cpp.o] Error 1
[02:19] <ActionParsnip> Juest: i'll run it myself to show where you are falling short
[02:19] <GeekMan> make[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/spark.dir/all] Error 2
[02:19] <GeekMan> make: *** [all] Error 2
[02:19] <ActionParsnip> magn3ts: wget -O alsa-info.sh http://alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && bash ./alsa-info.sh
[02:19] <thien> kind of crash? it's: still hear music, mouse is moveable. but if i click something, nothing runs :(
[02:20] <magn3ts> GeekMan, you're either building it wrong or the application is buggy.
[02:20] <arand> r0fs3ck5: Either by options passed to the moun command or options set in /etc/fstab
[02:20] <arand> *mount
[02:20] <magn3ts> thien, does it respond to keyboard input still?
[02:20] <astory> GeekMan: buggy is likely, at least when I tried lightspark.  Try their help channels, wherever they are
[02:20] <magn3ts> thien, it might be a compiz bug. I get bit every once in a while.
[02:20] <Phong_> i want to share a folder between OSes in vmware and host...don't know how to do it.
[02:20] <GeekMan> THX :)
[02:20] <magn3ts> Phong_, I would Google it tbh.
[02:20] <ActionParsnip> Juest: it'll make output like this: http://pastebin.com/Ut783izE
[02:20] <Phong_> i did but didn't find much
[02:21] <astory> thien: if you can get to a tty (ctrl+alt+f1) you can safely stop gdm and then restart it
[02:21] <thien> yes, i still press ctrl+alt+f1 (but dont know how to enter X again :)) )
[02:21] <ActionParsnip> thien: CTRL+ALT+F7
[02:21] <Phong_> magn3ts, nevermind, i got it ;)
[02:21] <magn3ts> thien, `sudo service gdm restart` and then CTRL+ALT+F7
[02:21] <thien> how to restart gdm ?
[02:21] <Juest> Thei
[02:21] <astory> thien: magn3ts +1
[02:21] <Juest> upS!
[02:21] <thien> too many ways???
[02:21] <Juest> thein
[02:22] <ruffleS> hi guys.. i need help getting the mounted volume icons out of my unity desktop. any1?
[02:22] <thien> wait for next crash, i will test
[02:22] <magn3ts> thien, what other way is there? That's the "right"way.
[02:22] <thien> lol
[02:22] <Juest> thien: kill the x by doing alt + prtscr + k
[02:22] <magn3ts> ruffleS, #ubuntu+1
[02:22] <Juest> ok?
[02:22] <Juest> ok
[02:22] <ActionParsnip> ruffleS: http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2007/10/25/hide-partition-icons-from-your-ubuntu-desktop/
[02:22] <astory> Juest: s/prtscr/sysrq/, although they're typically they same key
[02:22] <magn3ts> thien, I don't recommend killing of X mericilously.
[02:22] <Juest> ActionParsnip:  and?
[02:22] <magn3ts> But you can do that, yes.
[02:23] <ActionParsnip> Juest: if you say that to me one more time I am ignoring you, understand?
[02:23] <Phong_> ok how do i map a share folder in ubuntu?
[02:23] <astory> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
[02:23] <Phong_> in windows i know, but not sure in ubuntu
[02:23] <thien> is there a way to make it crash ? (for testing)
[02:23] <bazhang> Juest, never suggest that
[02:23] <thien> lol
[02:23] <Juest> ok :(
[02:23] <Juest> why not bzhang?
[02:23] <Phong_> does anyone know how to map a share folder in ubuntu?
[02:23] <ActionParsnip> Juest: run: wget -O alsa-info.sh http://alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && bash ./alsa-info.sh
[02:23] <astory> thien: if we knew of a way, we'd have probably gotten whoever's responsible to fix the bug :D
[02:23] <Juest> thien, maybe, only to kill it
[02:24] <bazhang> Juest, run the script above, give us the url, instead of just asking help me repeatedly
[02:24] <ActionParsnip> Juest: select to upload to the server and it will make a screen like the one I pastebinned when I ran the exact same command
[02:24] <thien> is there a way to make cpu 100% load? (i think it'll crash)
[02:24] <Juest> and i am using root desktop
[02:25] <magn3ts> thien, lol you can do lots of things to cause that. usually when that happens for me ubuntu just hangs in general and I can't switch to tty, etc.
[02:25] <magn3ts> Juest, so?
[02:25] <magn3ts> Juest, I don't see how you can get that script to not output a url
[02:25] <Juest> so what?
[02:25] <astory> thien: `perl -e "while(1){}"`
[02:25] <magn3ts> Juest, jesus. We need that output to help you.
[02:26] <ActionParsnip> Juest: until you get the URL we cannot fix sound for you, your move
[02:26] <Juest> yeah, it wasn't giving any ur
[02:26] <thien> it seems fun
[02:26] <ruffleS> nvm. i just found it
[02:26] <Juest> url
[02:26] <magn3ts> Juest, if you want, you can skip the auto upload and upload it yourself then.
[02:26] <aaa_> haha
[02:26] <Juest> again same messages
[02:26] <Juest> Uploading information to www.alsa-project.org ...  Done!
[02:27] <Juest> Your ALSA information is located at
[02:27] <thien> perl -e "while(1){}" -> nothing happens
[02:27] <Juest> Please inform the person helping you.
[02:27] <astory> thien: monitor your cpu usage :D
[02:27] <Juest> ActionParsnip: look
[02:27] <Juest> why that?
[02:27] <thien> 54%
[02:27] <astory> it should max out a core
[02:27] <ActionParsnip> Juest: ok then save the data locally and pastebin the file
[02:27] <magn3ts> Juest, say "no", then upload the file somewhere.
[02:27] <astory> otherwise, it does nothing
[02:27] <thien> not enough to crash
[02:28] <astory> there are always forkbombs, but I don't suggest running one on your system
[02:28] <magn3ts> thien, you could fork bomb it but don't expect to recover w/o a reboot
[02:28] <astory> is that succinct one :{:|:}: ?
[02:28] <Juest> ok, i am doing it and pastebinig
[02:28] <Juest> to pastebin.ca
[02:29] <thien> oh, cpu1 or cpu2 100%
[02:29] <ActionParsnip> Juest: the location is moot, just give the url
[02:29] <rww> astory: Do not put forkbombs in this channel.
[02:29] <magn3ts> idk but I wouldn't recommend pasting it in here.
[02:29] <thien> but not 2 cpu at one time
[02:29] <astory> rww: sorry :(
[02:29] <Juest> got it
[02:29] <Juest> http://pastebin.ca/2049967
[02:29] <magn3ts> thien, yeah a fork bomb should run on my of your procs at once
[02:29] <Juest> yep, i pastebined with the script options
[02:29] <Juest> :D
[02:30] <dude> whats the syntax of "date" in a filename? im trying to get a backup to be dated in the filename
[02:30] <dude> %d?
[02:30] <tanath> magn3ts, found the code, but don't quite see how it works. can you help?
[02:31] <thien> ok. keep waiting to get a opportunity
[02:31] <thien> lol
[02:31] <Juest> ActionParsnip: http://pastebin.ca/2049967
[02:31] <thien> what is the shortcut of system monitor? (like ctrl+alt+del in windows)
[02:31] <ActionParsnip> Juest: ok have you install guest additions?
[02:32] <tanath> magn3ts, (disk mounter thing...)
[02:32] <Juest> yep, but seems to not work properly
[02:32] <astory> thien: you could define it to be a shortcut, I'm not sure there's one by default
[02:32] <magn3ts> tanath, I can look sure.
[02:32] <ActionParsnip> thien: http://cviorel.easyblog.ro/2009/01/26/ctrlaltdel-to-open-system-monitor-in-ubuntu/
[02:32] <tanath> magn3ts, http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-applets/tree/drivemount?id=71f00ef594e09ece5f735a4599143b7b74262f85
[02:32] <magn3ts> Don't know how much good I'll be :P
[02:32] <lucas_> installed natty beta2 and proprietary nvidia drivers. Works ok... Why isn't there any xorg.conf anymore?
[02:32] <Juest> because the monitor works but not the rest
[02:32] <ActionParsnip> Juest: all I can suggest is ask in #vbox
[02:32] <Juest> ok
[02:32] <rww> lucas_: #ubuntu is for supported versions of Ubuntu only. Please use #ubuntu+1 for natty until it's released (probably on the 28th). Thanks!
[02:33] <magn3ts> lucas_, there hasn't been for a few versions of ubuntu. Also, try #ubuntu+1
[02:33] <lucas_> rww: thanks!
[02:33] <kyo> ---> #!/bin/bash question,  how I make the script to run with wine?
[02:33] <Juest> and i see: Starting the VirtualBox Guest Additions ...fail!
[02:34] <astory> kyo: I think changing the shebang to be wine's path
[02:34] <Juest> and because i extended tty, i am seeing the log that's is replaced by X by default
[02:34] <astory> so for me, #!/usr/local/bin/wine
[02:34] <tanath> magn3ts, i've looked through all of it, especially drivemount.c but don't see how to get a command out of it. looks like it's implemented its own function
[02:34] <Juest> ok?
[02:34] <Juest> hey
[02:34] <thien> is there compiz in ubuntu or not, default?
[02:35] <tanath> magn3ts, and i'm not gonna bother poking through nautilus code :P
[02:35] <kyo> @astory: ok, going to try, not sure if that will work. Maybe an example could help.
[02:35] <Juest> yes, compiz installed by default
[02:35] <magn3ts> tanath, are you sure that applet actually mounts things?
[02:35] <tanath> magn3ts, mounts stuff to /media/*
[02:35] <astory> kyo: I don't know anything about wine scripting, but I *think* that bash interpretes the #! line as which executable to run your file under
[02:35] <tanath> magn3ts, just like nautilus
[02:35] <astory> i.e., #!/usr/bin/env python will run the file with python
[02:36] <ruffleS> ActionParsnip & magn3ts thank you
[02:36] <astory> can somebody verify/falsify me?
[02:36] <tanath> magn3ts, for instance, i used it to mount this: /dev/sda7 on /media/misc type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks)
[02:36] <astory> kyo: you can find your wine executable with `which wine`
[02:36] <magn3ts> tanath, http://developer.gnome.org/gio/2.28/GMount.html
[02:36] <aaron_wayne> does anyone know how to repair a disk if it has bad sectors?
[02:36] <magn3ts> tanath, it's using the GMount API.
[02:36] <tanath> magn3ts, hrm
[02:36] <astory> aaron_wayne: what's the filesystem?
[02:36] <magn3ts> I'm not sure what GMount is powered by in GNOME though.
[02:36] <kyo> astory: great! thanks.
[02:37] <aaron_wayne> astory, fat
[02:37] <astory> you could try fsck, but I don't know if it'll do fat
[02:37] <astory> if you suspect the disk to by dying, though, you should copy it to a new disk immediately
[02:38] <aaron_wayne> astory, oh wow, that didnt look good, apparently I cant do that while mounted
[02:38] <astory> O.o
[02:38] <astory> don't try to do disk repair online!
[02:38] <tanath> magn3ts, hrm. don't suppose you can wrangle a functional command out of that for a script?
[02:38] <aaron_wayne> astory, lol, no doubt
[02:39] <initial> yello
[02:39] <aaron_wayne> astory, do you know what swap space is too? I have 13gb that says its swap space
[02:39] <Juest> ActionParsnip:  so, do you have any idea why pulseaudio and alsa aren't working?
[02:39] <tanath> magn3ts, prolly needs to be a compiled app to call the api though
[02:39] <astory> aaron_wayne: it's a special type of partition used to store program data that should be in RAM but doesn't fit
[02:39] <Juest> and seems arecorder is constantly using sound, why that?
[02:39] <pksadiq> !swap | aaron_wayne
[02:39] <magn3ts> tanath, sure, but it might use a subsystem that can be more easily scripted.
[02:39] <astory> you shouldn't need to copy it to do disk backup; it's wiped (or at least disregarded) after a reboot
[02:39] <magn3ts> tanath, if it's using HAL or whatever, there's probably a CLI way to invoke it.
[02:39] <Juest> hey
[02:40] <tanath> magn3ts, the stackoverflow page suggested it does use HAL
[02:40] <magn3ts> aaron_wayne, 13gb seems a bit huge for swap
[02:40] <aaron_wayne> cool, k, thanks for the help, i wil lhave to boot up to live and try that command, is that my only option to try?
[02:40] <astory> magn3ts: also harmless
[02:40] <thien> follow: http://cviorel.easyblog.ro/2009/01/26/ctrlaltdel-to-open-system-monitor-in-ubuntu/ -> but it show Shutdown the Computer ???
[02:40] <magn3ts> tanath, yeah, it's over 2 years old now though and lots of things have changed.
[02:40] <tanath> magn3ts, true
[02:40] <magn3ts> astory, I never know what to believe. I hear people all the time saying not to have too large of a swap partition.
[02:40] <astory> aaron_wayne: there may be other disk recovery tools; for ntfs you have to use (afaik) window's CHKDSK
[02:41] <astory> magn3ts: linux deals with swap well, and it shouldn't hurt you
[02:41] <aaron_wayne> magn3ts, yeah, i dont know, i think i have some missing space on the disk though, could be related to the bad sectors i guess, i have had problems ever since i tried to boot backtrack4
[02:41] <astory> my swap partition never has anything in it unless I'm out of RAM
[02:41] <astory> aaron_wayne: you should probably copy the data to a new disk
[02:41] <astory> dd will do this
[02:42] <magn3ts> aaron_wayne, are you experiencing data loss or are you concerned about the integrity of your drive? I missed what the problem you're trying to solve was.
[02:42] <aaron_wayne> astory, if i boot live and use gparted, can i just format the whole drive, and reinstall OS, would that clear any issues and any missing space/to many partitions?
[02:43] <astory> aaron_wayne: it wouldn't solve the problem that your drive has possibly been damaged, but if you didn't care about the data, and weren't worried about that, yes
[02:43] <astory> a reinstall would "fix" things
[02:43] <astory> since presumably it would notice the bad sectors and not use them
[02:43] <astory> also, fat is not very failure-tolerant, a more modern filesystem would be safer
[02:43] <magn3ts> Running fsck with lots of force could do roughly the same thing though...
[02:43] <magn3ts> Oh... fat?
[02:43] <astory> yeah
[02:44] <astory> fsck will probably say "try CHKDSK, you noob"
[02:44] <astory> which is mostly unhelpful
[02:44] <magn3ts> I love chkdsk! /s
[02:44] <aaron_wayne> magn3ts, no data loss, I am running dual boot, and both OS's want to run disk check ocassionally on startup, and i was looking into and found that I had the bad sectors, long story short, dual boot, tried to boot backtrack, back to strictly windows, use gparted to merge partitions, lost some space, back to dual boot right now
[02:44] <tanath> magn3ts, thing is, if i mount or unmount from either nautilus or disk mounter the change is noticed by the other. with manual mounting i can end up with dangling directories and such
[02:45] <thien> what can i do with Configuration Editor ?
[02:45] <magn3ts> tanath, yeah I know what you're talking about.
[02:45] <astory> aaron_wayne: reformating will probably work around bad sectors
[02:45] <magn3ts> tanath, they notice it because they both listen to GVolumeMonitor
[02:45] <aaron_wayne> astory, and i just lose the use of the bad sectors?
[02:45] <astory> aaron_wayne: they're bad!
[02:46] <aaron_wayne> astory, no way to make them un-bad?
[02:46] <magn3ts> tanath, presumably whatever (HAL?) notices the new devices and mounts it or actually handles the mounting... is observed by something in GNOME which then emits an event to diskmounter applet and nautilus and whoeever else is listening to GVolumeMontior
[02:46] <astory> aaron_wayne: it's typically physical damage, so no
[02:46] <aaron_wayne> astory, ohh, hmmm, wonder how that happened then
[02:46] <magn3ts> yeah a few bad sectors isn't bad. I'd run the WD/Seagate disc though to check for physical health of the drive.
[02:47] <astory> aaron_wayne: hard drives are imperfect; but there are things that increase the risk of damage, in particular, moving them while they have spun up
[02:47] <tanath> magn3ts, question is... how to go the other way. poke it to mount a given partition
[02:47] <magn3ts> but it sounds like your partition table's been through a lot. Rebuilding your partitions and starting over would probably make life easier, but as astory said, only if you trust the physical integrity of the drive. Otherwise you'll be in a bigger problem just as fast.
[02:47] <habriel> how are you all what program suggest for monitor the network band width with nagios
[02:47] <aaron_wayne> astory, yeah, i have done that before, it says i have 3 bad sectors
[02:47] <magn3ts> tanath, yup, no idea.
[02:47] <Aginor> aaron_wayne: the media in a harddrive sometimes degrade over time, so once you start having bad sectors it's likely that you will have more of them
[02:47] <magn3ts> tanath, you should try #gnome in irc.gnome.org
[02:48] <aaron_wayne> Aginor, not good
[02:48] <Galaxor> Hi.  I'm on 10.04, trying to downgrade to php 5.2.
[02:48] <astory> aaron_wayne: that's probably not too much to worry about, but yeah, be vigilant if you intend to keep using the drive
[02:48] <tanath> magn3ts, hm. well thanks for trying
[02:48] <aaron_wayne> astory, yeah, this one is gonan have to last for a little while
[02:48] <Galaxor> I added the php 5.2 ppa that everybody is suggesting:  add-apt-repository ppa:txwikinger/php5.2
[02:48] <magn3ts> lol Galaxor. On an old (non LTS) version of ubuntu and trying to downgrade PHP. May I ask why?
[02:48] <astory> aaron_wayne: drives aren't very expensive, you can get 2TB for under $100
[02:48] <Galaxor> but when I apt-get update, it IGN that repo.
[02:49] <Galaxor> magn3ts: 10.04 is lts
[02:49] <magn3ts> astory, sad, I paid $150 for 1.5TB a while back.
[02:49] <astory> and data security and peace-of-mind are very valuable, so weigh the options
[02:49] <magn3ts> Galaxor, oh crap, my bad.
[02:49] <astory> magn3ts: things will always get cheaper.  I paid god-knows-how-much for a P4 in 2005, but I don't feel bad about that :D
[02:49] <aaron_wayne> astory, not too bad to install in laptop? i had considered that a while back anyway just to upgrade, i have 500 g right now, would like to go to at least 1tb
[02:49] <astory> aaron_wayne: oh, laptop drives are probably a little more expensive
[02:50] <Galaxor> magn3ts: Yeah, I'm trying to move from debian to ubuntu, but the apps on my machine are not ready for php 5.3 yet.
[02:50] <bazhang> lets take the hardware chat to ##hardware or #ubuntu-offtopic please
[02:50] <thien> docky doesn't launch Nautilus, how to fix it?
[02:50] <aaron_wayne> astory, yeah, i have looked at a few on newegg, thought that sounded a little low, if i get a new drive I wouldnt be able to use windows anymore just off a recovery disk would I?
[02:50] <aaron_wayne> astory, or just not be able to update it
[02:51] <bazhang> aaron_wayne, lets take this to ##hardware or #ubuntu-offtopic please
[02:51] <magn3ts> thien, when you find out, let me know. I struggle with that all the time.
[02:51] <Galaxor> I just don't understand why apt-get update is IGN the ppa.  Is there some debug log I can look at to see why this is getting ignored?
[02:51] <habriel>  how are you all what program suggest for monitor the network band width with nagios
[02:51] <magn3ts> Galaxor, you probably need to force the version
[02:51] <magn3ts> Galaxor, unless the package is named something specific/different.
[02:52] <Galaxor> magn3ts: In order to pin the versions, I edited the file /etc/apt/preferences.d/php5.2
[02:52] <Juest> hey there, where i can really edit grub entries???
[02:53] <bazhang> !grub2 | Juest have a read
[02:53] <magn3ts> Galaxor, hm, I'm not sure then.
[02:53] <Galaxor> The settings I used to pin it are the ones here:  https://edge.launchpad.net/~txwikinger/+archive/php5.2
[02:53] <Galaxor> Hm.  Does that file need to be named *.conf or something?
[02:54] <Galaxor> Or do I need to tell apt to reload the settings or something?
[02:54] <thien> a script can run silent? how to?
[02:55] <magn3ts> Galaxor, I'm really not sure sorry. I only know how to use Synpatic to pin versions. And actually last time I tried to do that even... it was broken.
[02:55] <astory> habriel: I don't know what nagios is, but iftop will monitor bandwidth
[02:55] <Galaxor> hm.  Maybe google knows...
[02:56] <izaak> i'm having some strange conflicts between my ppas - how do i figure out which repository a package comes from?  i tried dpkg -s, surprisingly no luck.
[02:56] <thegoodcushion> How do I get ls to behave like OS X's ls, which puts all the files that begin with a capital letter first, followed by those that begin with a lowercase?
[02:57] <keithclark> I cannot seem to get my Atheros AR5001X+ wireless connection to work at all.
[02:58] <clint_> How do i change how firefox looks?
[02:58] <clint_> it is ok but very very blue
[02:58] <ohzie> clint_: you can install skins and themes for it under tools
[02:58] <clint_> ok cool
[02:58] <ohzie> I believe it's in the 'addons' window. ;D
[02:58] <clint_> thanks
[02:58] <ohzie> There are a lot of themes.
[02:59] <clint_> looks like a futuristic game show right now
[02:59] <Galaxor> magn3ts: Oh.  /etc/apt/preferences.d/ files didn't seem to get read.  When I put that pinning config into /etc/apt/preferences, it worked out.
[02:59] <clint_> cool eye candy for night use though
[02:59] <rhizmoe> can i configure a hotkey for the "run an application by typing or choosing from a list" widget? like quicksilver on mac..
[03:00] <clint_> also having trouble getting flash dl'd for youtube
[03:00] <clint_> could this be because at the same time I am dl'd drivers for my ATI card?
[03:00] <astory> thegoodcushion: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=816753 claims to have a solution
[03:01] <clint_> I am stepping up from UE 2.4 to 2.9
[03:01] <rww> what's UE
[03:01] <izaak> thegoodcushion, http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2006-09/msg01214.html
[03:01] <clint_> Ultimate Edition/Ubuntu
[03:01] <thegoodcushion> astory: good work thanks
[03:02] <magn3ts> Galaxor, cool, I'll try to remember that for the future, good luck with the rest of it.
[03:02] <Phong_> i love k3b software
[03:02] <rww> clint_: #ubuntu is for Ubuntu and official derivatives, which Ultimate Edition isn't :p
[03:02] <Phong_> it's the best k3b, i compile it
[03:02] <astory> thegoodcushion: I googled "ubuntu ls capitals first"
[03:02] <izaak> astory, gah :P
[03:03] <Phong_> i think ubuntu way better then fedora
[03:03] <clint_> ? so you are saying I have something hacked up or???
[03:03] <Phong_> i meant ubuntu is more popular
[03:03] <ohzie> Phong_: So do a lot of people. Fedora is horrible.
[03:03] <rww> clint_: No, I'm saying that the Ubuntu derivative you're using isn't supported here.
[03:03] <rww> Phong_: #ubuntu-offtopic for that sort of thing
[03:03] <thien> Phong_ are you vietnamese?
[03:03] <Phong_> yes
[03:03] <Phong_> thien, chao ban
[03:03] <Phong_> thien co gi khong?
[03:03] <Phong_> lol
[03:04] <clint_> So any questions I ask is an automatic NO to me?
[03:04] <thien> chào bạn
[03:04] <thegoodcushion> astory: yeah, it works perfectly
[03:04] <thegoodcushion> astory: it's a UTF-8 thing apparently
[03:04] <rww> clint_: Any question you ask is an automatic "You're not using Ubuntu, please go ask your distribution for help."
[03:04] <clint_> But it is Ubuntu
[03:04] <rww> clint_: No, it isn't. It's an unofficial derivative that we don't support.
[03:05] <keithclark> Ah, I see that my Atheros card does not work under Ubuntu at present.
[03:05] <clint_> Ok, not to argue but how so?
[03:05] <cjae> where do I see images that i mounted using acetoneiso in my filesystem?
[03:05] <satrio> hi
[03:06] <rww> clint_: http://www.ubuntu.com/project/derivatives => Anything on the top section is supported in #ubuntu.
[03:06] <clint_> I mention I have UE and all of a sudden this chat room shuns me?
[03:06] <tictax> cjae did you specify a mount point, go look under /media its the default location
[03:06] <rww> !derivatives
[03:06] <satrio> hi all
[03:06] <rww> clint_: correct. #ubuntu is the technical support channel for Ubuntu. You're not using Ubuntu.
[03:06] <kavurt> http://www.russianinternet.com/radio/radiodacha96.html this is a radio station. can i play it using a media player??
[03:07] <Adom> anyone know how to use exFAT filesystem on linux for free? found Tuxera site that makes you buy the driver.j
[03:07] <clint_> Well there is not a UE support, this program was already installed out of the box
[03:07] <ohzie> clint_: If it makes you feel any better, it isn't because you're not using "pure" ubuntu and we're being elitist. It's because some of the base-level things that 'other distros' change really make it difficult to apply ubuntu-specific support to those other distros. A classic example is how Backtrack's networking behaves, by default, completely unlike anything Ubuntu has ever acted like.
[03:08] <cjae> tictax: I did look there, I am using kde 4.6 is that a problem? Dont see where I would specify a mount point
[03:08] <rww> clint_: Available support options is something you should consider when choosing a distribution.
[03:08] <softcoder> hello
[03:08] <softcoder> got a 32 bit system on 10.10
[03:08] <spivwaq> Hi all, I want to get the Amazon mp3 downloader for 10.10, but the website only gives an installer for 9.04, which doesn't work in ubuntu software installer.  Has anyone had a similar experience?
[03:08] <clint_> i only asked a general question about FireFox
[03:08] <softcoder> suddenly grinds to a hlat (almost)
[03:08] <softcoder> I goto terminal Ctrl_alt-F1
[03:09] <softcoder> and get console messages as i wait numerous minutes for login
[03:09] <softcoder> it says
[03:09] <tictax> cjae the window manager you use is not important, did you mount the iso with the mount command or the program?
[03:09] <japtol> hi
[03:09] <japtol> total newb here
[03:09] <japtol> wishing to learn about ubuntu
[03:09] <softcoder> task tracker-miner-f:1927 blocked for more than 120 seconds
[03:09] <cjae> tictax: the program
[03:09] <japtol> so i can install gazelle
[03:09] <FloodBot2> japtol: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:09] <DaZ> kavurt: http://stream.loveradio.ru:8000/radiodacha_high.mp3
[03:09] <tictax> cjae then i suggest you google: default iso mount location acetone :)
[03:10] <softcoder> any ideas what is killing my system?
[03:10] <tictax> you :P
[03:10] <ohzie> softcoder: "sudo ps aux | grep tracker-miner"
[03:10] <kavurt> DaZ: thanks
[03:10] <DaZ> you're welcome.
[03:10] <japtol> hi
[03:10] <softcoder> umm still don't have control back from trying to login
[03:10] <japtol> total newb here trying to learn about ubuntu
[03:11] <softcoder> waiting for text input
[03:11] <japtol> can anyone direct me to good beginner places for ubuntu
[03:11] <cjae> tictax: thanks got it /home/user/virtualdrives
[03:11] <ohzie> softcoder: Okay, try booting into single user. If it's still the way 'it used to be' you go into the boot line in grub and add a 1 to the end of the line. For the runlevel.
[03:11] <tictax> welcome cjae
[03:12] <ohzie> and then see if you can kill task tracker-miner-f or whatever that was
[03:12] <softcoder> what does adding 1 do?
[03:12] <KXTwo> I have a stupid question
[03:12] <Aginor> japtol: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/FAQ
[03:12] <tictax> there are no stupid qs
[03:12] <ohzie> softcoder: a 1 at the end of your boot line would over-ride the default runlevel with 1....a few years ago.
[03:12] <KXTwo> Im reading something that tells me to read the man for cron(8) but when I do a man on cron its cron (1)
[03:13] <KXTwo> im not understanding the difrerence
[03:13] <ohzie> softcoder: It should still work, I think, unless way more has changed than I'm able to cope with.
[03:13] <rww> KXTwo: 'man 8 cron' is the syntax for telling man to look in a particular section
[03:13] <escott> softcoder, tracker will do a lot of file i/o but it should be throttled you might try disabling it
[03:14] <softcoder> how to disable it?
[03:14] <KXTwo> almost like a page?
[03:14] <tictax> KXTwo: http://linuxcommand.org/man_pages/cron8.html
[03:14] <escott> see what is listed in your gnome-session startup applications
[03:14] <rww> KXTwo: more like a chapter, I guess. section 1 is general commands, section 8 is sysadmin commands and daemons.
[03:15] <FrozenFire> Is it possible to manually reorder GRUB's boot menu?
[03:15] <escott> softcoder, just to confirm this is AFTER you get to the gdm login screen right?
[03:15] <softcoder> yes
[03:15] <softcoder> actually we were working in ubu for hours
[03:15] <softcoder> then suddenly bang
[03:15] <KXTwo> ok I guess im still not understanding
[03:15] <softcoder> this happens from time to time on this one system
[03:15] <KXTwo> when I man cron
[03:16] <KXTwo> it says cron(8)
[03:16] <softcoder> not showing anything to do with tracker in gnamoe startup
[03:16] <KXTwo> but if I try to man 5 cron it says it doesnt exist?
[03:16] <tictax> FrozenFire, its GRUB2 under Ubuntu 10.10, os-prober sets the order, you can change the default boot option, but im not sure you can change the order
[03:16] <softcoder> how can i kill this dumb thing that goes randmly out of control
[03:17] <rww> KXTwo: Take for example crontab, which has pages in section 1 (general commands) and 5 (file formats).  Even if tracker were using 100% CPU you should still have others
[03:18] <escott> softcoder, then uninstall tracker sudo apt-get remove tracker
[03:18] <Nonesthecool> anyone ever had their number keys (not the Shift+ keys) not work?  How can I fix it?
[03:18] <softcoder> ok
[03:18] <softcoder> away it goes!
[03:18] <KXTwo> how does it determine which section if there are multiple?
[03:18] <thebigt> im having problems getting my computer to boot a install cd
[03:18] <escott> softcoder, do look at your gnome startup applications though
[03:18] <rww> KXTwo: it takes the lowest-numbered section, I'd guess
[03:19] <KXTwo> I hate reading manual pages anyway its usually easier to look it up online lol
[03:19] <KXTwo> I just have to make my script run every 20 minutes and I think crontab is the right way to do it
[03:19] <cryptopsy> my mic only works well when i get really close to it
[03:19] <cryptopsy> what's wrong?
[03:19] <thebigt> and i have run out of things to try to get it to work
[03:19] <cryptopsy> otherwise the fuzz is just drowning it out
[03:20] <rww> KXTwo: yup. 'crontab -e' to edit crontab, and you want to add a line saying */20 * * * * commandname goes here
[03:20] <keithclark> Boy, it sure would be nice if ubuntu would go through wireless card by card and solve those constantly troublesome problems instead of developing new desktops.
[03:20] <softcoder> ok tracker gone.. we are happy
[03:20] <softcoder> thx
[03:20] <softcoder> our dual core is ours again
[03:20] <KXTwo> what are thes * for
[03:20] <escott> cryptopsy, adjust analog mic boost in "alsamixer"
[03:20] <KXTwo> and how does it know 20 minutes and not 20 seconds or 20 hours
[03:20] <rww> KXTwo: minute, hour, day of month, month, day of week
[03:21] <rww> KXTwo: the wikipedia entry on cron is informative ;)
[03:21] <Nonesthecool> anyone ever had their number keys (not the Shift+ keys) not work?  How can I fix it?
[03:21] <KXTwo> sorry thtas normally waht I do
[03:21] <KXTwo> but you were giving me all the info for free so :)
[03:21] <tictax> infoleech :)
[03:21] <rww> KXTwo: hehe, that's what I'm here for ;)
[03:21] <escott> cryptopsy, open a command line. type alsamixer[RETURN] hit [TAB] to get to the INPUT section use the left/right/up/down arrows to adjust
[03:21] <KXTwo> you wouldnt happen to know why its not letting me edit my file would you?
[03:21] <rww> KXTwo: are you using crontab -e?
[03:22] <piero> Hi! Is there a good benchmark program I can use on my system? (I have compiled a new kernel and build some few hacks and now I want to test it)
[03:22] <KXTwo> when you do a crontab -e you get a nice little message explaining to edit the file
[03:22] <KXTwo> but its not letting me dit for some reason
[03:22] <KXTwo> oh god
[03:22] <KXTwo> I know why
[03:22] <escott> KXTwo, must be root
[03:22] <KXTwo> freaking vi
[03:22] <FloodBot2> KXTwo: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:22] <KXTwo> im used to pico
[03:22] <rww> KXTwo: change your $EDITOR to pico, then.
[03:22] <arand> piero: I guess the folks att phoronix have their test suite
[03:23] <KXTwo> do you know vim and how to exit it?  I used to know it but I have forgotten everything
[03:23] <escott> KXTwo, ":q!"
[03:23] <tictax> :q!
[03:23] <rww> KXTwo: escape escape :wq!
[03:23] <piero> arand, who? what?
[03:23] <rww> or without w, I guess.
[03:24] <arand> piero: "phoronix test suite" is something to google, I think.
[03:24] <tictax> write quit is :wq! :)
[03:24] <piero> ok
[03:24] <KXTwo> so do I just read EDITOR and type pico?
[03:25] <tictax> KXTwo echo it
[03:25] <tictax> but its only for you current session then
[03:25] <tictax> you have to set in bash.rc
[03:25] <KXTwo> echo?
[03:25] <n2i> Hi!
[03:25] <KXTwo> that doesnt sound right
[03:25] <n2i> I have got an error when update 11.04
[03:25] <n2i> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libpolkit-agent-1-0_0.101-1ubuntu1_i386.deb: subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
[03:26] <rww> n2i: #ubuntu is for supported versions of Ubuntu only. Please use #ubuntu+1 for natty until it's released (probably on the 28th). Thanks!
[03:26] <escott> KXTwo, change your EDITOR in ~/.bashrc, for now EDITOR=pico crontab -e will work
[03:26] <n2i> rww :) sorry! I will join that channel now
[03:27] <ActionParsnip> KXTwo: you can also run:  export EDITOR=nano; crontab -e
[03:27] <ActionParsnip> KXTwo: if the con'd activity neesd root, then run:  sudo crontab -e
[03:27] <gambio> hey guys, can anyone ell me if it's possible to install Linux onto an external USB hard drive and use it to boot/run my iMac 8,1? Thanks :)
[03:27] <ActionParsnip> KXTwo: if you have an x server, you can use gnome-schedule as a gui to cron
[03:28] <izinucs> gambio: yes
[03:28] <ActionParsnip> gambio: should be fine, yes
[03:28] <KXTwo> I run ubuntu with x but im working via ssh on command line for projects at school
[03:28] <KXTwo> are nano and pico the same btw, I've been meaning to ask that
[03:28] <gambio> sweet. anything I should do specifically for this? Just install it to a partition on an xHD?
[03:28] <izinucs> KXTwo: basically..
[03:29] <ActionParsnip> KXTwo: i see, if you connect to the ssh with the -X switch you can use x forwarding if the system you have connected to has an x server too :)
[03:29] <tictax> both are simple editors
[03:29] <rww> KXTwo: Ubuntu installs nano by default, and actually loads nano if you run pico.
[03:29] <gambio> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nano_(text_editor)
[03:29] <ActionParsnip> gambio: you'll need some tweaks for sound which I know of, otherwise it depends on the hardware
[03:29] <KXTwo> ActionParsnip, I dont think thats really where I should be at in my learning process yet, but Ill keep that in mind in the future :)
[03:29] <rww> KXTwo: reason being that nano is an open source clone of pico.
[03:29] <KXTwo> ok so thats why on my own system I run nano but pico on school network
[03:29] <gambio> ActionParsnip: Nono, I mean about the actual installation to an external HD. I already run linux just fine on my iMac (I'm in it now :))
[03:30] <tictax> gambino, a Live edition you mean then?
[03:30] <KXTwo> so I edited .bashrc and added EDITOR=pico but its still loading vim
[03:31] <KXTwo> I know its a superior editor but im in no mood to learn a new one right now lol
[03:31] <gambio> tictax: err, basically just a normal install of natty or maverick but to an external HD rather than an internal HD
[03:31] <tictax> KXTwo the bashrc file needs to be loaded if im not mistaking
[03:31] <tictax> log out and in again
[03:31] <ActionParsnip> KXTwo: after adding to the file did you run:  source ~/.bashrc
[03:31] <KXTwo> even when I do EDITOR=pico its not working
[03:31] <ActionParsnip> tictax: no need to log out
[03:32] <Lazzlo> don't log out...just source the file.
[03:32] <Lazzlo> . .bashrc
[03:32] <tictax> its read on the fly then, bashrc?
[03:32] <ActionParsnip> tictax: no, thats what the source file does, it tells the system to reread the file
[03:32] <tictax> clear, learned something again :)
[03:32] <KXTwo> something isnt right
[03:33] <ActionParsnip> tictax: edit the .bashrc then run:  source ~/.bashrc    and you can work as expected :)
[03:33] <KXTwo> ive added it to the bashrc
[03:33] <KXTwo> ive typed EDITOR=pico in the command line
[03:33] <ActionParsnip> KXTwo: run:  source ~/.bashrc
[03:33] <KXTwo> and its still oloading vim
[03:33] <KXTwo> I did that ActionParsnip
[03:33] <ActionParsnip> KXTwo: in bashrc did you add:   export EDITOR=pico
[03:33] <escott> KXTwo, if you are sudo-ing crontab -e it may be looking for "root"s $EDITOR
[03:34] <ActionParsnip> escott: good point
[03:34] <escott> KXTwo, so add it to /root/.bashrc as well
[03:34] <KXTwo> I dont have access to root
[03:34] <codex84> how u start the
[03:34] <escott> KXTwo, yes you do thats what sudo is
[03:34] <codex84> vsftpd server
[03:35] <escott> KXTwo, sudo pico /root/.bashrc
[03:35] <KXTwo> no I literally dont have access
[03:35] <KXTwo> its not on my system
[03:36] <KXTwo> im logged into a system being used by about a dozen of us adn im not a sys admin
[03:36] <thien> my docky seems to be able to launch Nautilus stably, anyone wanna try my way?
[03:37] <KXTwo> nothing I do will open this with pico and its annoying
[03:37] <KXTwo> guess I have no choice but to do vim
[03:38] <escott> KXTwo, but are you a member of the crontab group?
[03:39] <KXTwo> no clue
[03:40] <KXTwo> rww, did you have an extra * earlier.?
[03:40] <KXTwo> if I want something every 20 minutes I put a / in front of it so it should be */20*** right?
[03:41] <matias> hey, I have a new problem, I already created a backup and then I rebooted the system but I forgot to do something so I'm trying again to boot using the Live CD I have but now it doesn't work at all, it gives me a BusyBox's prompt or similar, I have never seen it
[03:41] <matias> it's the same CD that was working 30 minutes ago O.o
[03:41] <matias> any idea?
[03:41] <ChronicSyncope> does anyone in here know how i get permission to talk in #gamedev? The channel is full of people and you don't get auto-voiced...
[03:42] <matias> the prompt says "(initramfs)"
[03:42] <KXTwo> omg this is like the simplest thing and I cant get it to work
[03:43] <matias> and above that it says "BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian...) Built-in shell (ash) \n Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands."
[03:43] <matias> it's absolutely weird, it was working 30 minutes ago
[03:44] <Internat> matias: i had that error on the new install disk
[03:44] <ActionParsnip> KXTwo: once you grasp the basics, it is :)
[03:45] <matias> Internat, how did you fix it?
[03:45] <Internat> downloaded the netinstall disk and tried again :(
[03:45] <matias> it doesn't make any sense, I was using it a while ago :P
[03:45] <escott> KXTwo, first check if there is a /etc/cron.allow or /etc/cron.deny just in case you are prohibited from creating cron tasks
[03:45] <ActionParsnip> matias: gutsy isn't supported anymore
[03:45] <KXTwo> ActionParsnip, lol I got it to save finally how will I know if it works.  will it show my script running at the alotted time interval?
[03:46] <matias> stop to say that, it's not about Gutsy
[03:46] <ActionParsnip> KXTwo: that as well as reviewing the cron log file
[03:46] <KXTwo> well i set it for every minute and it hasnt run my script yet
[03:46] <conor> hi all, flash applications like chatroulette or chat prgrams won't work for me on Ubuntu 10.10
[03:46] <ActionParsnip> matias: it is, the apps and kernel is gutsy
[03:46] <conor> hi all, flash applications like chatroulette or chat prgrams won't work for me on Ubuntu 10.10
[03:46] <conor> #
[03:46] <KXTwo> */1 * * * * ./bot.sh
[03:47] <ActionParsnip> KXTwo: there are also flash things like @boot
[03:47] <KXTwo> no clue
[03:47] <matias> how can a live CD can change in 30 min? it's... static lol
[03:47] <escott> KXTwo, give the full path to bot.sh ie /home/KXTwo/bot.sh
[03:47] <Internat> ActionParsnip, it was happening to me yesterday, and mine was from the latest natty beta disk
[03:47] <matias> s/can//
[03:47] <ActionParsnip> matias: doesn't matter, your OS isn't suported here
[03:47] <Phong_> how can i install this: Package lib32asound2 is not installed.
[03:48] <matias> I'm not forcing you to answer, stop saying that u.u
[03:48] <KXTwo> escott, being that it is a script would I add kxtwo/./bot.sh
[03:48] <ActionParsnip> matias: I'm enforcing the channel rules
[03:48] <Phong_> i try to install something and it said: Package lib32asound2 is not installed.
[03:49] <ActionParsnip> Phong_: what is the output of:  lsb_release -d
[03:49] <escott> KXTwo, when you say ./bot.sh it means that a file bot.sh should be in whatever directory the cron starts you in which may not be /home/USERNAME/
[03:49] <Internat> sorry, did i miss something, when did we determine that this issue was gutsy related?
[03:50] <KXTwo> well do you see why im asking though
[03:50] <KXTwo> ./ is how you run a script
[03:50] <matias> I will have to download 700MB just to use the live cd :|
[03:50] <ActionParsnip> KXTwo: escott is right. I suggest youuse absolute paths, (referenced from /)
[03:50] <Phong_> ActionParsnip, never mind, i think i got it to install
[03:50] <ActionParsnip> KXTwo: ./ tells the interpretter to look in the current folder, you will need to specify the full path to the script
[03:50] <escott> KXTwo, . is the current working directory so ./ is just a file in the current folder
[03:51] <ActionParsnip> KXTwo: also, in linux you don't strictly need the file extension, it will run just as fine without
[03:51] <KXTwo> how come I cant run my scripts just typing the name then?
[03:51] <matias> will it work if I do # cat file.iso > /dev/sdb && sync ?
[03:51] <KXTwo> Im aware of that one ActionParsnip Im just trying to follow the examples of my teacher and its a good way for me to know if its a script or not
[03:52] <ActionParsnip> KXTwo: because the terminal has a path to where you currently are (the pwd or present working directory)
[03:52] <matias> (where "file" is the ISO that I'm downloading)
[03:52] <ActionParsnip> KXTwo: the cron system doesn't have this so it won't work
[03:52] <Internat> i dont expect that will work matias
[03:52] <KXTwo> but if im already in the directory my script is in why do I need to ./ any script?
[03:52] <matias> no?
[03:52] <matias> why not?
[03:52] <dataviruset> my NIC didn't work, so i downloaded a driver from the manufacturers website and compiled it. i'm running kernel 2.6.32-28 on my ubuntu server 10.04 right now, will i have to recompile the driver when i boot the newest kernel 2.6.32-31?
[03:53] <Aginor> matias: no, that will not work well at all, you usually want to have a partition table and partitions on a harddrive, what you proposed would overwrite the partition table
[03:53] <escott> KXTwo, because of your $PATH which might come from .bashrc. but you can't count on cron running a full login shell for you so you may not have all the $PATH variables in your cron environment
[03:53] <izinucs> KXTwo: that's the way it works
[03:53] <Internat> cause its a cd image. so it has the isoboot and all that kinda fun loaders
[03:53] <ActionParsnip> matias: you can do that with img files, some distros are made so that will work, Ubuntu doesn't afaik
[03:53] <matias> hmn, ok
[03:53] <KXTwo> crazyness! lol
[03:53] <ActionParsnip> dataviruset: yes to give the driver to the new kernel
[03:53] <matias> so I will use the Startup Disk Creator
[03:53] <KXTwo> alright Im seeing no evidence of my script running
[03:53] <ActionParsnip> matias: or unetbootin but you will need software, yes
[03:54] <Rehan> anyway to batch rename a bunch of files that are named something like Test_xxxxx.png to Flash_xxxxx.png ? Thank you
[03:54] <dataviruset> ActionParsnip: okay. but one thought, if i have 2.6.32-31 installed but not booted, can i build a driver (or more correctly "kernel module") for it before booting it?
[03:55] <HighFiveGhost> Hello
[03:55] <KXTwo> */1 * * * * /home/kkrauss1/bot.sh
[03:55] <KXTwo> will it do my script in the background?
[03:55] <escott> Rehan, for f in *.png; do; cp $f `echo $f | sed -e s/Test/Flash/`; done;
[03:56] <escott> Rehan, that may break horrible if there are spaces/punctuation in the filenames
[03:56] <JAYTEE_> how do I bring up or make an Icon on my task bar for ophcracker
[03:56] <Rehan> escott: thank you so much. The only punctuation are underscores.
[03:57] <HighFiveGhost> I keep getting a USB error http://paste.ubuntu.com/598125/ -help?
[03:57] <escott> HighFiveGhost, thats not meaningful when are you getting this error
[03:58] <HighFiveGhost> escott: When I open it up, with a usb device attatched
[03:58] <Aginor> data0faust: if you use dkms it should in theory "just work" with future kernels
[03:58] <KXTwo> oh man this whole thing is screwy now
[03:58] <Nonesthecool> anyone ever had their number keys (not the Shift+ keys) not work?  How can I fix it?
[03:58] <JAYTEE_> Does anybody know how to use ophcracker on ubuntu?????
[03:59] <Rehan> escott: in your example do I replace f with Test?
[03:59] <Rehan> escott: trying to batch rename all the Tests to Flash
[03:59] <izinucs> Nonesthecool: do they now move the mouse pointer?
[03:59] <escott> KXTwo, add to your script (at the top) "date > /home/kkrauss1/test.txt"
[03:59] <Nonesthecool> izinucs: nope
[03:59] <escott> no thats what echo $f | sed does
[04:00] <KXTwo> excott im so jacked up right now its not even funny lol
[04:00] <KXTwo> its doing it in the background
[04:00] <dataviruset> if i have 2.6.32-31 installed but not booted, can i build a driver (or more correctly "kernel module") a later version before booting it?
[04:00] <Rehan> escott: thanks
[04:00] <wardiwira> !help
[04:00] <KXTwo> so the only way to kill the bot that my script starts up is to kill the process and thats not working
[04:00] <Nonesthecool> izinucs: they work when a ubuntu password prompt comes up (thank god)
[04:00] <izinucs> Nonesthecool: then I don't know.. sorrt
[04:00] <wardiwira> .help
[04:00] <jongbergs> !topic
[04:00] <Aginor> dataviruset: yes, but you're better off using dkms, that should automatically rebuild the kernel module for future versions of the kernel as well
[04:01] <Aginor> dataviruset: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/DKMSPackaging
[04:01] <ActionParsnip> dkms is a godsend
[04:01] <dataviruset> Aginor: ah, cool :O
[04:01] <HighFiveGhost> escott: and I've installed extension pack
[04:02] <escott> HighFiveGhost, you need to give more background. What extension pack, what USB device...
[04:02] <escott> KXTwo, so is your bot starting?
[04:03] <omega_123> hello anyone know how to add PPA
[04:03] <escott> !ppa | omega_123
[04:03] <izinucs> escott: sudo apt-add-repository <ppa reference>
[04:04] <HighFiveGhost> escott: The device is the Zune, Extension pack 4.0.6-71334
[04:05] <omega_123> which is easy to install firefox 4 from PPA or compileing the package
[04:05] <Guest38883> hola
[04:05] <KXTwo> escott, it would appear so but I dont like that I cant easily get it to exit the #.  When I run it manually or even the script that runs it manually it takes up tha terminal and I can ^c it to exit
[04:05] <gab73> encoding error message only some sites, admin account only DG/tinyproxy/firehole works as user
[04:05] <Guest38883> alguien me puede ayudar con un error con kino?
[04:06] <escott> HighFiveGhost, so you plug in your Zune and you get an error. What application is giving you the error, or is this from dmesg?
[04:06] <conor> hi all, flash applications like chatroulette or chat prgrams won't work for me on Ubuntu 10.10
[04:07] <wcchandler> On Ubuntu 10.04, when booting the live cd, how can I disable to loading screen thing?  The UBUNTU with the 6 dots that change colors...  Usually F1 or F2 or esc hides it and shows what's happeneing but all I get is a blank screen. :/  This is on a TV as a monitor through a DVI out on nVidia card.
[04:07] <omega_123> which is easy to install firefox 4 from PPA or compileing the package???
[04:07] <KXTwo> im just going to move onto at for now lol
[04:07] <alex--> I have
[04:07] <alex--> f
[04:07] <alex--> sdf
[04:07] <Rehan> escott: i'm getting a syntax error, ";" unexpected
[04:07] <alex--> damn
[04:07] <alex--> [05:07] == Cannot send to channel: #ubuntu
[04:07] <FloodBot3> alex--: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:07] <alex--> ah it works now
[04:07] <leftist> hi i inadvertantly removed an app that was on my top panel.  It was used for viewing the current load in a graphical format. it was blue (i am color blind) in the graphic color. can anyone tell me the name of the app? it isnt listed in the add apps
[04:07] <escott> KXTwo, well thats progress. If you want something to run in the background then you would put command & in your bash script, but thats not necessary for a cron script
[04:07] <alex--> i installed mousetrap
[04:07] <alex--> but i dont see my webcam
[04:07] <ActionParsnip> conor: can you use http://pastebin.com to give the output of:  uname -a; lsb_release -a; dpkg -l | grep flash; dpkg -l | grep gnash; dpkg -l | grep swf
[04:07] <hkmix> Anyone know how to get the audio preview volume to match the system audio settings?
[04:08] <escott> Rehan, I added an extra ; after the do, remove it
[04:08] <Rehan> escott: here's what I have: http://pastebin.com/RP33DzGj
[04:08] <HighFiveGhost> escott: I get the error window pop-up while the zune is plugged in when I open up virtualbox saying "failed to access USB subsystem". What I put in the pastebin was the details.
[04:08] <Rehan> escott: thanks let me try. really appreciate the help.
[04:08] <leftist> hkmix i would ask in #audio
[04:08] <ActionParsnip> HighFiveGhost: did you use the closed source virtualbox?
[04:09] <KXTwo> now I have to use at to send myself email lol
[04:09] <ohsix> leftist: "system monitor" ?
[04:09] <escott> HighFiveGhost, sounds like Virtualbox is having trouble with the Zune. Is the window from the Virtualbox gui?
[04:09] <knut_> hello i got a toshiba nb505, im having a hard time with wireless connection, not sure how to make it work, any help please
[04:09] <Rehan> escott: ok this is what i have now: http://pastebin.com/nJDyQtMT  and the error I get is: cp: cannot create regular file `echo $Black | sed -e /s/Black/Silver/': No such file or directory
[04:09] <knut_> the wireless indicator its  all red
[04:09] <leftist> that is what i thought it was ohsix but it isnt defaulting to the graphical display
[04:09] <trism> Rehan: might be easier to just do: rename 's/Black/Silver' *.png;
[04:09] <hkmix> leftist: It's more a of a system issue though; also, have you tried "gnome-system-monitor"?
[04:10] <HighFiveGhost> escott: Yes. But this is a different model of the zune that I've used before(that one worked fine)
[04:10] <knut_> the fn + f8 doesn't seem to work either
[04:10] <piero> Can I change a .deb package version? (I compiled two different kernel with make-kpkg without appending something to the version and now I need to install both packages in the same system).
[04:10] <ActionParsnip> knut_: run:  sudo lshw -C network     websearch for the product line to find guides. You can see if its already working with:  sudo iwlist scan | head -n 25     if you see wireless SSIDs then its working
[04:10] <leftist> hkmix let me check for it
[04:10] <ohsix> leftist: it only has a graphical display, but right after you add it it only shows one, right click on it to add more
[04:10] <ActionParsnip> knut_: run: rfkill list    to see if its blocked in any way
[04:10] <HighFiveGhost> escott: And this virtualbox is PUEL
[04:10] <ohsix> leftist: it's a distinct color from the background if your bar isn't black
[04:10] <knoppies> Does anybody know what launcher this is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFwHTcSZjAk#t=1m31s
[04:10] <knut_> ok ill try it
[04:10] <Rehan> trism: thank you, i tried that and got "Substitution replacement not terminated at (eval1) line 1."
[04:10] <ActionParsnip> HighFiveGhost: did you use the closed source virtualbox?
[04:11] <KXTwo> crap man is not working on the system so i cant reat the man for at
[04:11] <leftist> ohsix let me look i really need it cause the apt-get puts the sys to 100% and i need a notification :)
[04:11] <HighFiveGhost> ActionParsnip: I don't think so
[04:11] <trism> Rehan: sorry forgot a / at the end: rename 's/Black/Silver/' *.png;
[04:11] <hkmix> knoppies: Looks like gnome-do with Docky theme.
[04:11] <ActionParsnip> HighFiveGhost: you need closed source version for usb accessing
[04:11] <ohsix> leftist: i use it all the time too :]
[04:11] <ActionParsnip> knoppies: looks like gnome3
[04:12] <knoppies> KXTwo, can you not SSH into a server that does have man working?
[04:12] <Rehan> trism: can i just enter it in a terminal in the same directory as the images?
[04:12] <knoppies> ActionParsnip, so is that default in gnome3?
[04:12] <escott> KXTwo, take some time to learn sed regular expressions, it will be well worth your time
[04:12] <ActionParsnip> knoppies: that is what gnome3 looks like, yes
[04:12] <escott> Sorry Rehan
[04:12] <HighFiveGhost> ActionParsnip: I've used USB on this virtualbox before... It worked fine
[04:12] <KXTwo> escott, sed?
[04:12] <knoppies> hkmix, I meant the transparent thing that drops down with all the launchers on it. Thanks. ActionParsnip states its part of gnome3.
[04:12] <trism> Rehan: yes
[04:12] <leftist> it is called gnome-system-monitor?
[04:12] <Aginor> omega_123: ppa, that should hopefully give you updates in the future without a need to recompile them yourself
[04:12] <knut_> ActionParsnip, it doesn't show anything related to my wireless, the iwlist scan command, show me something about the lo and eth0
[04:12] <escott> KXTwo, meant for Rehan about sed
[04:12] <Rehan> escott: no need to apologize at all...very humbled by all the help i have received in here. completely new to this stuff.
[04:12] <leftist> ff
[04:12] <hkmix> knoppies: Yeah, haha, realized that after.
[04:13] <escott> Rehan, yes you can run it in that folder
[04:13] <knoppies> hkmix, thanks again.
[04:13] <hkmix> leftist: Yeah
[04:13] <leftist> my d key is dying
[04:13] <Aginor> KXTwo: just google "man <whatever> :D
[04:13] <leftist> is there an onscreen keyboar?
[04:13] <leftist> keyboard?
[04:13] <KXTwo> I know :)
[04:13] <knut_> ActionParsnip, the rfkill list command did not output anything
[04:13] <Rehan> trism: that worked. so awesome! in windows would have had to download some 3rd party app i bet
[04:13] <escott> Rehan, the regex stuff will keep you from getting confused by our accidentally missing a / or adding one in the wrong place
[04:13] <hkmix>  leftist: You'd have to install GOK
[04:13] <Rehan> escott: great, will def look into it :)
[04:14] <leftist> hkmix thanks
[04:14] <hkmix> !info gok
[04:14] <leftist> no icant seem to get that graphical isplay to appear anymore :(
[04:14] <omega_123> hello can anyone help me to compile firefox 4
[04:14] <aaron_wayne> i just installed unity on maverick, have played with it a little, but not a lot on natty beta, is natty beta pretty stable, ive found that unity on maverick is a bit different, or should i just hold out till natty release
[04:14] <hkmix> aaron_wayne: Natty is coming out in... 3 days?
[04:15] <codex84> is there a ftp server
[04:15] <codex84> on ubuntu?
[04:15] <escott> aaron_wayne, natty on #ubuntu+1, but I've had no real issues
[04:15] <ohsix> hkmix: ubuntu comes with onboard too
[04:15] <Aginor> aaron_wayne: I have heard that natty's unity is a complete rewrite, so it should be diffrerent
[04:15] <ohsix> and it's good
[04:15] <Aginor> codex84: several, but usually not installed by default. Do you really need to have an ftp server instead of using scp?
[04:15] <aaron_wayne> hkmix, yeah, i know, just wanted to start using more, i think once i get familiar with it will like it, pretty fast to navigate around
[04:15] <hkmix> ohsix: Probably, I have the Accessibility off all the time =X
[04:15] <hkmix> aaron_wayne: It should be stable, in any case
[04:16] <codex84> scp?
[04:16] <alabd> Good day all , How to count number of .php files in a folder (recursively) ?
[04:16] <codex84> do u mean winscp?
[04:16] <aaron_wayne> hkmix, it was a little glitchy with me, but i will attribute that to running it live then
[04:16] <hkmix> aaron_wayne: Probably; it's safe to install, by any means
[04:16] <hkmix> aaron_wayne: I've run alphas fine =P
[04:17] <Aginor> alabd: find <folder> -iname "*.php" | wc -l
[04:17] <edickerson> I am trying to load ubuntu 10.10 as a bootdisk. I selected USB as the drive. when the USB drive, i press esc to select the USB drive it comes up and says syslinux 4.03 2010-10-22 EDD
[04:17] <leftist> it's back :D thanks hkmix.
[04:17] <escott> alabd, ls -R . | grep *.php | wc
[04:17] <hkmix> leftist: =)
[04:17] <edickerson> any suggestion on what to do?
[04:17] <Aginor> codex84: no, I mean scp, winscp is a windows graphical scp interface that can be used to copy files to and from a server running ssh
[04:17] <ohsix> edickerson: it should show that, does it not get past that?
[04:18] <leftist> hkmix i fixed my d key :D
[04:19] <edickerson> Ohsix, it doesnt want to get past that
[04:19] <codex84> ooo
[04:19] <ohsix> edickerson: want is a human thing; it probably can't find your usb drive after it boots off of it
[04:20] <alabd> Aginor:  escott thanks
[04:20] <omega_123> when is next ubuntu releasing
[04:20] <ohsix> edickerson: theres no timeout messages or any other messages after a minute or two?
[04:20] <aaron_wayne> what is mutter?
[04:21] <hkmix> omega_123: In 3 days
[04:21] <edickerson> Ohsixm, no the _ just keeps blinking over and over
[04:21] <ohsix> aaron_wayne: a window manager toolkit
[04:21] <escott> aaron_wayne, window manager controls the windows allows you to drag and resize me
[04:21] <aaron_wayne> so i cant run compiz with this?
[04:21] <escott> aaron_wayne, what kind of hardware do you have
[04:22] <KXTwo> ok another linux command thats helpfiles are written in greek lol
[04:22] <ohsix> aaron_wayne: it's basically clutter with a bunch of nice things that make it a window manager, and clutter is great
[04:22] <edickerson> When I press esc for boot options it says scandisk micro cruzer so its reading the USB drive
[04:22] <ohsix> aaron_wayne: it's one or the other, compiz and mutter are both window managers
[04:22] <aaron_wayne> escott, i got the hardware to run compiz, just installed unity though and that popped up, i guess the default with unity
[04:23] <groundup> edickerson: you pressed esc. did you get to the screen to select what drive to boot from?
[04:23] <edickerson> yes groundup.
[04:23] <alabd> escott:  your command shows >       3      14     353
[04:23] <alabd> and Aginor command shows > 192
[04:23] <ActionParsnip> edickerson: what video chip are you using?
[04:24] <alabd> which one is true
[04:25] <escott> alabd, mine says there are 3 lines (files), with 14 words (spaces in filenames?) and 353 characters
[04:26] <alabd> escott: ls -R <folder> | grep *.php | wc
[04:26] <alabd> shows 0 files
[04:26] <alabd> why ?
[04:27] <hkmix> alabd: ls -lR | grep .*.php | wc -l
[04:27] <hkmix> alabd: The number of lines returned by that command = the number of files
[04:27] <ohsix> find -type f -iname '*.php' | wc -l
[04:28] <ohsix> hkmix: you need to quote * too, or the shell will expand it
[04:28] <hkmix> ohsix: That's why the . is in front of the * =P
[04:28] <ohsix> that might just reduce the odds of it matching, but they can still match something
[04:29] <michel> on parle Français ici?
[04:29] <hkmix> ohsix: The command ls -lR | grep .*.php | wc -l works fine here
[04:29] <hkmix> !fr | michel
[04:29] <ohsix> !fr | michel
[04:29] <arand> !fr | michel
[04:29] <hkmix> HAHA kicked for spam =D
[04:29] <escott> alabd, sorry follow hkmix he knows his shell better
[04:30] <ohsix> hkmix: it's not that it works; it will sometimes match a file that the shell sees, you need to quote it to be sure it will never be expanded by the shell
[04:30] <kriscolt> i would like to install xfce, or lxde from the command line.  Does anyone know which packages i need?
[04:30] <aaron_wayne> does anyone know how to change the key shortcuts for unity
[04:30] <hkmix> ohsix: The .*.php prevents it
[04:30] <ohsix> hkmix: if there was a file that matched the pattern that'd turn into "grep file"
[04:30] <ActionParsnip> kriscolt: sudo apt-get install lxde
[04:30] <kriscolt> that's it?
[04:30] <alabd> hkmix:   your command shows >       3      14     353  and find <folder>-iname "*.php" | wc -l    shows > 192
[04:31] <ActionParsnip> kriscolt: absolutely
[04:31] <ohsix> hkmix: only if there isn't a file named .<anything>.php in the current directory, try it
[04:31] <hkmix> ohsix: I guess =S, but they're rarely used
[04:31] <ohsix> hkmix: easy test, touch .test.php ; echo .*.php
[04:31] <hkmix> alabd: try "ls -lR | grep "*.php" | wc -l
[04:31] <ohsix> hkmix: it's the one time it matches that it gets you
[04:32] <ohsix> hkmix: it's usually by the time someone is comfortable enough with it :D so it's dangerous
[04:32] <ActionParsnip> kriscolt: if you installed a minimal ubuntu it will install all the other stuff you need to run lxde, there is lubuntu-desktop which is a metapackage and will give a decent set of lightweight apps for low end PCs or those who want a desktop OS with minimal impact on the hardware
[04:32] <hkmix> ohsix: It still works fine for me =P
[04:32] <hkmix> ohsix: Made a file like that, the count increased by 1
[04:32] <alabd> hkmix:  ls -lR | grep .*.php | wc
[04:32] <alabd>     209    1581   12709
[04:32] <alabd> php files 209 ?
[04:33] <ohsix> hkmix: if it matches something it's only grepping for the filename it matched, not a wildcard
[04:33] <escott> alabd, yes 209 wc is (lines, words, characters)
[04:33] <hkmix> alabd: Should be; try "ls -lR | grep "*.php" | wc -l" in case
[04:33] <jpastore> can I get a little help flgrx? I get: http://paste.org/pastebin/view/32228
[04:33] <escott> alabd, when you pipe "|" ls you get one line per filename
[04:33] <alabd> hkmix: no "" make it worse
[04:33] <hkmix> ohsix: But I'm getting the wildcard results still
[04:33] <ohsix> find /dir -type f -iname' *.php'
[04:33] <hkmix> alabd: Then it should just be 209
[04:34] <alabd> hkmix:  result is not the same as find ...  ohsix
[04:34] <escott> jpastore, what version of ubuntu is this? I though amdcccle had been renamed
[04:35] <hkmix> alabd: Are you remotely accessing the file?
[04:35] <alabd> hkmix:  no local
[04:35] <jpastore> escott, 10.10 ... just d/l'd live cd and made a usb drive
[04:36] <jpastore> escott, x86_64
[04:36] <hkmix> alabd: Go to the folder, sort it by file type, and have a look?
[04:37] <hkmix> alabd: Or are you running command line?
[04:37] <alabd> hkmix: no gui but it's not one folder
[04:37] <ActionParsnip> jpastore: did you MD5 test the image?
[04:38] <jpastore> ActionParsnip, no I did not
[04:38] <ActionParsnip> jpastore: then how do you know it was complete and error free?
[04:38] <hkmix> alabd: Ah, if you need recursive, you're probably better off using find
[04:38] <administrator> 141
[04:39] <jpastore> ActionParsnip, well I don't 100% know it's error free.  but everything seems to work except installing flgrx from synaptic.
[04:40] <Guest1234> 有能在LINUX上运行的WINDOWS软件吗
[04:40] <saganbyte> hi
[04:40] <jpastore> escott, installing any other packages seems thwarted by these packages. Is there a queue I can purge?
[04:40] <hkmix> Guest1234: Wubi
[04:40] <saganbyte> how can i format a usb to reiserfs file system
[04:40] <alabd> hkmix:  why find says 192 and ls says 209
[04:41] <hkmix> Guest1234: Wait, actually, I'd use virtualbox
[04:41] <ChronicSyncope> i know this is off-topic, but does anyone know if i need ident to speak in #gamedev or something? It keeps telling me #gamedev :Cannot send to channel
[04:41] <Guest1234> 有能让WINDOWS的应用程序在LINUX上运行的软件吗
[04:41] <JamezQ> ?
[04:42] <ChronicSyncope> !cn
[04:42] <hkmix> Guest1234: 你要用WINDOWS就用VIRTUALBOX好啦
[04:42] <KM0201> ChronicSyncope, i just went there w/o issue, so my guess is, yes
[04:42] <helloEARTH> i think thats japanese
[04:42] <hkmix> Guest1234: http://www.virtualbox.org/
[04:43] <hkmix> helloEARTH: No, it's simplified Chinese =P
[04:43] <ChronicSyncope> KM0201, i can join, i just cant say anything, that is probably the problem. thank you!
[04:43] <hkmix> !zh | guest1234
[04:43] <KM0201> ChronicSyncope, yeah, it let me type a message, so i'd guess thats your issue
[04:44] <escott> jpastore, seems the key thing is to figure out why the fglrx --configure is failing
[04:44] <Guest1234> A WINDOWS application allows software running on LINUX you
[04:44] <hkmix> Guest1234: http://www.virtualbox.org/
[04:44] <SquirmingCoil> watching atonement again...
[04:45] <SquirmingCoil> how do i change rooms with this thing?
[04:46] <helloEARTH> Keira Knightley *thumbs up*
[04:46] <Dr_Willis> SquirmingCoil:  irc uses channels. and it depends on your irc client.
[04:46] <Dr_Willis> SquirmingCoil:  /join #NEWCHANNELNAME
[04:46] <escott> jpastore, does /var/log/apt/term.log say anything useful?
[04:47] <tactix> and /part #channel
[04:47] <einseenai> guys, if i upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04, will it smash my gnome?
[04:47] <tactix> einseenai, pls ask in #ubuntu+1
[04:47] <tactix> thats the natty chnl
[04:48] <jpastore> escott, I noticed that I have a sym link in / that appears to be broken vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.35-22-generic
[04:48] <einseenai> tactix, thx ))
[04:48] <escott> jpastore, this is a fresh install yes?
[04:48] <SquirmingCoil> is there a place i can find all the irc channels listed?
[04:49] <SquirmingCoil> and recommends?
[04:49] <einseenai> join #ubuntu+1
[04:49] <tactix> SquirmingCoil, type /list
[04:49] <escott> jpastore, if you are booted into the new system (not running a live CD) that symlink should point to the same version as uname -a
[04:49] <SquirmingCoil> *looks through ubuntu server channel list*
[04:49] <jpastore> escott, yes, and the log file just says error handling those 3 packages that failed (flgrx, flgrx-that other one and initramfs-tools)
[04:49] <tactix> SquirmingCoil, your not on the ubuntu server :) this is freenode and IRC server :)
[04:50] <CalicoJack> okay, so let's say I set up gnome shell on a Lucid Lynx install. Were I to dislike gnome shell and want to go back to the normal gnome set up, how might i do that?
[04:51] <user> bah
[04:51] <jpastore> escott, I used the livecd iso and a windows app to write the iso to a thumb drive and create a persistent file system. uname -a yields: Linux ubuntu 2.6.35-22-generic #33-Ubuntu SMP Sun Sep 19 20:32:27 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[04:53] <gab73> help with dansguardian
[04:53] <Dr_Willis> CalicoJack:  remove gnome shell. install the other stuff back.  perhaps with the help of ppa-purge
[04:53] <escott> jpastore, but you are booting off the thumb drive yes? and then trying to install to a partition on the hard drive?
[04:54] <CalicoJack> Dr_Willis so there isn't any " $> fix --it" command i can use?
[04:54] <jpastore> escott, no I want to run off the thumb drive
[04:55] <Uhriventis> my friend is running a outdated version of kubuntu. When he runs the apt-get update and upgrade command terminal closes immediately. Any ideas?