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[02:13] <ubptgbot> <No Thanks> Hey guys I'm thinking of experimenting with ubuntu touch on a nexus 5, but before I do is it possible to revert back to stock if I don't like it? Does anyone have a guide handy?
 Is anyone working on MIA1? … Also, is convergence available on Lenovo Z2 plus?
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 @No Thanks [Hey guys I'm thinking of experimenting with ubuntu touch on a nexus 5, but befor …], yes, it's quite easy to go back to android. Just do the normal way of installing Android. Nexus Root toolkit is a good tool for it
 @mrmechanic3000 [Is anyone working on MIA1? … Also, is convergence available on Lenovo Z2 plus?], which part of convergence? the video out?
[04:04] <ubptgbot> <No Thanks> Thank you Kugi
 @mateosalta [which part of convergence? the video out?], Yes
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 @hendursaga [So there's a risk that if the build server gets compromised, every single UT pho …], Well every server can get compromised, why you would think other distros are safe from that? Thats not specific to UT
 If you are afraid that a server gets compromised better not download anything at all
 @Flohack [If you are afraid that a server gets compromised better not download anything at …], Well put xD
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 @dohbee [there is no integrated solution for that yet, no], Thank you for help!
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 Welcome all
 (Photo, 404x316) https://irc.ubports.com/x0ogxLYQ.png Hi, wanna to connect with 1200 business, consumers. You need add 2 business & 3 consumers contacts to join and post message subject to group rules. Then fill webform
 @Flohack
 @admins
 Can I use a USB wifi stick if I include the drivers for it in my kernel?
 i guess so
 I guess I should try it then
 I rly want to try Ubuntu Touch
 ubports is good, it only lacks in 3rd party apps department
 only if we had more apps
 @ItsMeShouko [ubports is good, it only lacks in 3rd party apps department], I included anbox support in my kernel
 BTW what is libertine?
 @ItsMeShouko [only if we had more apps], if you build them, they will come
 @J0SH1X [BTW what is libertine?], a tool for managing a container to run legacy/CLI applications in when needed
 @J0SH1X [I included anbox support in my kernel], Did you try multi account on tg in anbox? when I do, it freezes eventually and fails to boot afterwards
 @J0SH1X [I included anbox support in my kernel], [Edit] Did you try multi account on tg in anbox? when I do, it freezes eventually and ubports fails to boot afterwards
 @ItsMeShouko [Did you try multi account on tg in anbox? when I do, it freezes eventually and u …], My wifi doesn't work so I didn't try anything
 @J0SH1X [I included anbox support in my kernel], [Edit] Did you try multi account on tg in anbox? when I do, it freezes eventually and then it force reboot. Afterwards ubports fails to boot afterwards
 @J0SH1X [I included anbox support in my kernel], [Edit] Did you try multi account on tg in anbox? when I do, it freezes eventually and then it force reboot. Afterwards ubports fails to boot
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 Is it normal load for ubuntu touch?
 I'm just playing music in the background
 I mean 208 tasks and 820 threads
 doesn't seem that bad then
 Damn :/ my desktop have smaller load than that, is there any way to lower that?
 Also 5.19 as a load is a bit high.. I think.
 After 5 minutes of listening to music and typing random commands in terminal load is on 2.10 :/
 Alsooo, can we please get non-free codecs installed in rootfs? I'd like to watch pirated movie on my phone, and it is in mkv and media player refuse to play it :c
 @mrcyjanek [I mean 208 tasks and 820 threads], Dont worry about number of tasks and threads. Compare with ubuntu desktop, its even more there
 @Flohack [Dont worry about number of tasks and threads. Compare with ubuntu desktop, its e …], Hmm, okay.
 @mrcyjanek [Alsooo, can we please get non-free codecs installed in rootfs? I'd like to watch …], mkv is a free container. what codec is the data inside it?
 @mrcyjanek [Alsooo, can we please get non-free codecs installed in rootfs? I'd like to watch …], Well then dont pirate movies ;)
 @dohbee [mkv is a free container. what codec is the data inside it?], Let me check
 @Flohack [Well then dont pirate movies ;)], Oh.
 Rootfs is limited in size, we have a general policy to not add any new stuff. Besides that I doubt it would be that easy just to install one package.
 You can try yourself and tell us the results
 @Flohack [You can try yourself and tell us the results], Ill
 well we can't ship non-free things really
 Oh
 but i'm pretty sure matroska support is already there
 because matroska is a free format
 Ill look for problem then
 where the problem coulr be
 yeah. `gstreamer1.0-plugins-good` has the matroska plug-in, and is installed in UT
 maybe install the ugly gstreamer package?
 maybe trying to figure out what the issue is exactly before grasping at straws? :P
 @Flohack [Well then dont pirate movies ;)], Lmao
 Hello. Apologies in advance but does ubtouch work with 4g?
 yes
 Nice thank you ^^.
 If all i need is calls text and a browser, can i use ub as a primary devica?
 probably. many people do
 Yeah, i use it as a daily driver on my oneplus 3. Everything but video seems to work pretty well already
 @atp468 [If all i need is calls text and a browser, can i use ub as a primary devica?], But it depends on your device how usable it is
 Is the OTA13 going to be stable for Oneplus 3T?
 does oneplus 3t have devel channel now?
 or rc channel?
 yes
 But stable no
 then it should get stable channel when ota13 release happens, yes
 it will be the same image as is currently in rc though
 I use it in rc chanel,and work fine
 Thank's
 👍
 @mrcyjanek [Alsooo, can we please get non-free codecs installed in rootfs? I'd like to watch …], UT has a piracy-blocking feature so you can't watch your pirated movies 😝
 Hey can anyone help me to install httracker in ubuntu?
 @Bhojpuria_bhaia [Hey can anyone help me to install httracker in ubuntu?], this group is about Ubuntu Touch (https://ubuntu-touch.io) not a support group for traditional Ubuntu on PCs
 Ok can you please provide me the link to that community
 https://ubuntu.com has links to their official support channels
 pretty sure there is no telegram group though
 So any suggestions … What should I do?
 go to the ubuntu web site, find a method of asking for support that you prefer to use, and go there i guess
 or ask whomever develops httracker, whatever that is
 but this is the wrong group :)
 QA 83 will comes up in 40 mins https://youtu.be/50Ar0aJuGWk
 Q&A is live now!
 @ScardracS [QA 83 will comes up in 40 mins https://youtu.be/50Ar0aJuGWk], Can you Twitter us? xD
 @Flohack [Can you Twitter us? xD], Did it
 Fwd from UBports News Channel: We are live! https://youtu.be/50Ar0aJuGWk
 I believe in you both
 I do not, but I have no choice.
 i think this Josef person in youtube chat is trying to troll
 (it's not really)
 you can patch it to be
 @ArubIslander don't feed the troll :P
 @mariogrip oxide is better than webengine before webengine existed, and webkit was not good enough
 @Flohack [Rootfs is limited in size, we have a general policy to not add any new stuff. Be …], Simlinks is a our saviour. Or rootfs r/o?
 @Flohack [Rootfs is limited in size, we have a general policy to not add any new stuff. Be …], [Edit] Simlinks is an our saviour. Or rootfs r/o?
 @Javacookies [UT has a piracy-blocking feature so you can't watch your pirated movies 😝], Ah, if that's feature it's ok xd
 @Javacookies [UT has a piracy-blocking feature so you can't watch your pirated movies 😝], >Linux … >Piracy blocking … Just lol
 Any word in this sentence  just a platinum
 @Javacookies [UT has a piracy-blocking feature so you can't watch your pirated movies 😝], Lmao
 @riddlach [>Linux … >Piracy blocking … Just lol], Windows you have to pay for the codecs to watch them lmao
 "AOSP is not convergence, independence, FOSS?"
 hahaha
 @amyosx [Windows you have to pay for the codecs to watch them lmao], VLC is totally free, and yes, Windows 10 "Movies" app have general codecs from box
 yea
 I don't remember a time where I had to pay for codecs when I used windows
 @riddlach [VLC is totally free, and yes, Windows 10 "Movies" app have general codecs from b …], True, but for stuff Like hevc you have to pay
 In stock movies
 @riddlach [>Linux … >Piracy blocking … Just lol], On my dwsktop I can only watch pirated movies because of drm lol
 @amyosx [True, but for stuff Like hevc you have to pay], meh, my gpu cant process hevc with special hevc instruction
 @amyosx [True, but for stuff Like hevc you have to pay], [Edit] meh, my gpu cant process hevc with special hevc instructions set
 Lol nor can mine but point remains, it should be free
 @mrcyjanek [On my dwsktop I can only watch pirated movies because of drm lol], You know what many of online movie sites have free licensed movies?
 Good time, the question about turbo, as you know, for a normal installation, you need to change the partition.  The question is, if after that you put the android again, will the partition be reset?
 @riddlach [You know what many of online movie sites have free licensed movies?], Yeah, I'm using the pirate bay
 @mrcyjanek [Yeah, I'm using the pirate bay], )))
 @mariogrip you can just make some bind mounts into `~/` and not resize the rootfs
 also note that it won't work on pinephone
 @amyosx [Lol nor can mine but point remains, it should be free], Look what i find https://www.videolan.org/developers/x265.html
 @riddlach [Look what i find https://www.videolan.org/developers/x265.html], Microshit still charge
 @amyosx [Microshit still charge], language and be nice
 @amyosx [True, but for stuff Like hevc you have to pay], Never had to pay for hevc
 @dohbee [language and be nice], Sorry
 Amy, No one forces you to use proprietary players
 @kipters [Never had to pay for hevc], It is 2.99 on ms store
 @riddlach [Amy, No one forces you to use proprietary players], I don't lol
 and let's stay on topic please
 I use manjaro on desktop, and Ubuntu touch on main phone
 @dohbee [and let's stay on topic please], Sorry
 @mariogrip no.
 @dohbee [and let's stay on topic please], We on topic, just talking about playing videos on UT
 @dohbee [and let's stay on topic please], [Edit] Were on topic, just talking about playing videos on UT
 @dohbee [and let's stay on topic please], [Edit] We're on topic, just talking about playing videos on UT
 Rootfs is readonly?
 @riddlach [Rootfs is readonly?], Can be made rw in UT Tweak Tool
 @riddlach [We're on topic, just talking about playing videos on UT], paying for codecs on windows has nothing to do with UT
 Not adviced as I broke ota
 @riddlach [Rootfs is readonly?], yes. updates are image based
 @amyosx [Can be made rw in UT Tweak Tool], If this true, you can place codec libs in sdcard/storage and simlink libs in /libs/ or other lib-specific way
 But, you can compile it for your architecture
 @riddlach [If this true, you can place codec libs in sdcard/storage and simlink libs in /li …], And break ota xD
 Yes
 Everything have a price
 again, the aforementioned problem is probably something else. figure out the actual problem before arguing about theoretical solutions
 @dohbee [again, the aforementioned problem is probably something else. figure out the act …], Ok
 @dohbee [again, the aforementioned problem is probably something else. figure out the act …], We have already come to the decision that there are simply no necessary codecs for viewing, if I understand everything correctly
 @riddlach [We have already come to the decision that there are simply no necessary codecs f …], for viewing what? the specific example that spawned all that noise, was about an mkv file, for which the decoder is already installed because it's an open format
 @dohbee [for viewing what? the specific example that spawned all that noise, was about an …], Idk, i'm confused
 And Yes, what is protection from piracy?
 @Jaymz665 [Good time, the question about turbo, as you know, for a normal installation, you …], missed this, but yes, android image requires different partition sizes from UT
 @riddlach [And Yes, what is protection from piracy?], nothing, it was sarcasm
 Oh lol
 Just take it all seriously
 Sry!
 @dohbee [missed this, but yes, android image requires different partition sizes from UT], that is, do I need to re-do the partitions for UT?
 @Jaymz665 [that is, do I need to re-do the partitions for UT?], yes, to go from android to UT the partition layout needs to be changed from what android uses on the pro5
 Ehhh, again this "dance with a tambourine" is sad that this is not in automatic mode
 @dohbee [@ArubIslander don't feed the troll :P], Heh... Yeah, I belatedly realised...
 @Jaymz665 [Ehhh, again this "dance with a tambourine" is sad that this is not in automatic …], yeah well, it's sad that everything got dropped because it wasn't making enough money for canonical
 @Flohack for the delta, it only overwrites things which are in the image which did change
 so dpkg won't know that something is installed any more, but the binaries and such will still be there
 full image update will overwrite everything
 the delta is just a tarball of the set of files that changed from the last update
 @dohbee [the delta is just a tarball of the set of files that changed from the last updat …], oh cool
 @dohbee [yeah well, it's sad that everything got dropped because it wasn't making enough …], If the canonical guys took your idea with pibephone, it would be a success!  You are great, this is really cool, although I again flashed the phone for android, I decided to transfer it to UT again. Android no more inspires me =)
 @mariogrip no, swap baaaaad on phones
 @dohbee [yeah well, it's sad that everything got dropped because it wasn't making enough …], [Edit] If the canonical guys took your idea with pinephone, it would be a success!  You are great, this is really cool, although I again flashed the phone for android, I decided to transfer it to UT again. Android no more inspires me =)
 fedora is enabling zRAM on everything by default now
 @Jaymz665 [If the canonical guys took your idea with pinephone, it would be a success!  You …], we didn't make pinephone. pine64 did. the way  it came about is basically the same way the meizu and bq partnerships with canonical happened. there were just no companies making anything like pinephone or librem5 with reasoanble specs at that ti
[20:04] <ubptgbot> me
 @dohbee [fedora is enabling zRAM on everything by default now], zRAM works well on channel where we have 2 GB ram on android 10 lmao
 whee another troll in YT chat
 @mariogrip samsung note 20 ultra when
 @dohbee [@mariogrip samsung note 20 ultra when], Wen eta iPhone 12
 never
 Lol
 Imagine if apple allowed boot loader unlock
 Or unsigned firmware
 imagine if hardware makers released open source drivers
 That'd be sick
 @dohbee [imagine if hardware makers released open source drivers], Yes
 Pls
 interested to know if the ubports for fxtec pro1 has the same problem as my cosmo communicator, ie. no clue how to add a custom keyboard layout so the next level for symbols etc. doesnt work 😄
 @PiecerEdd [interested to know if the ubports for fxtec pro1 has the same problem as my cosm …], it should work using the keyboard indicator in the top panel
 @dohbee [it should work using the keyboard indicator in the top panel], the problem is the keyboard layout for the cosmo doesnt exist
 and ive no idea how to add one
 theres a Xorg keyboard layout for it but i cant find how to add/port this to mir/lomiri :P
 oh. it's a standard xkb thing though right?
 i think so yeah
 What's the reason for needing Halium? I see in the docs info on the how, but not the why. (My only UT experience is through Pinephone, so apologies)
 @YepYepperson [What's the reason for needing Halium? I see in the docs info on the how, but not …], because android devices don't have open source drivers in upstream linux. we have to run a minimal set of android components to make the hardware work, on android devices
 Is it the mainline Linux kernel with certain driver blobs? Or you mean like the android kernel entirely?
 @YepYepperson [Is it the mainline Linux kernel with certain driver blobs? Or you mean like the …], Its android kernel with android chroot
 @YepYepperson [Is it the mainline Linux kernel with certain driver blobs? Or you mean like the …], no. the blobs only work with specific kernel version. it's the kernel version that came with the device, with some patches for UT; and an lxc that some android userspace components run in
 android kernel itself also has plenty of improvements for mobile things that haven't been upstreamed yet
 Interesting. But the Android userspace stuff doesn't actually run, right? We're talking about some like initrd thing that sets up the LXC container?
 I mean, it's not like running Xubuntu in ChromeOS, right?
 @YepYepperson [Interesting. But the Android userspace stuff doesn't actually run, right? We're …], none of the java stuff. only low level things like timekeeper and camera service and such
 very minimal android
 Wild
 That makes the Pinephone situation make a lot more sense
 why?
 Well, is Pinephone the first non-Halium device? (aside from the x86 port maybe?)
 yes, and raspberry pi
 or well, non-android device
 to be fair, all the devices canonical ported, and nexus 5, opo, and similar devices are not using halium yet (but are doing the same things that halium was built on)
 Oh gotcha, interesting
 @YepYepperson [Interesting. But the Android userspace stuff doesn't actually run, right? We're …], camera server needs to run, all radio stuff, some sensor things etc... So its basically all services in Android coming from init.rc
 For some we also dont know what they are, but you cannot easily remove them ^^
 Uh oh, mystery code
 @YepYepperson [Uh oh, mystery code], Life is also a mystery, I am not scared ^^
 @YepYepperson [Uh oh, mystery code], Be honest, how much code from the kernel you really understand what its doing
 Very little, to be honest. Pointers in C make my eyes glaze over.
 @Flohack [Be honest, how much code from the kernel you really understand what its doing], well the important bits you need to understand what the hardware does to understand what the kernel source is doing :P
 How did Canonical get those few devices working without/before Halium? Does yet mean the plan is to convert them over to sort of streamline development?
 @YepYepperson [How did Canonical get those few devices working without/before Halium? Does yet …], The porting process is nowadays almost the same. Halium is a more formalized way to boot the device, but its not a huge change in fact. And yes we will bring some older devices to Halium 7.1
 @YepYepperson [How did Canonical get those few devices working without/before Halium? Does yet …], doing most the same things halium does, just in a more specific way, because the goal wasn't to make a platform to ship other linux distros on top of. only Ubuntu
 halium just takes all that stuff and works to make it more of a product that is generic and that other distros can use to run on top of android devices with
 Do they still need the Android kernel? Or is the hardware more open?
 @YepYepperson [Do they still need the Android kernel? Or is the hardware more open?], Android hardware is never open 😆
 android devices are android devices. being open or not has nothing to do with the OS
 @Flohack [Android hardware is never open 😆], hardware is never open 😆
 @vtsoft [hardware is never open 😆], Well thats not true entirely, it depends on how well its documented.
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 @hacker12455 [I don't remember a time where I had to pay for codecs when I used windows], Because you pay that when buying a PC from a store. If you build your own PC and download the codecs you are likely doing so illegally
 I assume that for most devices that you can run UT for you already paid for the codec license at the time of hardware purchase. If Android includes it "for free" I believe UBPorts can too
 But don't quote me on that, it's complex legal stuff


 I have problem to use r8168 driver in Kubuntu Impish.
 Seems to me this driver only give me 100Mbps instead 1G ethernet as expected.
 Any help would be welcome.
 lspci -knn | grep Eth -A3
 01:00.1 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 12)
         Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [1025:1201]
[02:11] <awatt> hi there , how can i check what extension my NIC card supports
 ethtool -i device (re @IrcsomeBot: <awatt> hi there , how can i check what extension my NIC card supports)
[02:13] <awatt> IrcsomeBot: thanks i will try
[02:16] <awatt> by extension i mean like 802.11 (a? g? n? or ac?)
[02:27] <oerheks> iw and other tools do not show a/g/n/ac, check the vendors site
 I got one artical which helps me in this (re @erfan_sta: Keyboard shortcut for that action)
 I got one artical which helps me on this (re @erfan_sta: Keyboard shortcut for that action)
[06:30] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:36] <Guest51> Is kubuntu available preinstalled on a workstation?
 BAGO
 BAG0
 hellow guys
 I wanna ask
 I want install lightly-qt
 anyone can help ?
 Does the instructions on their github page not work?
[12:42] <Guest56> hi
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
 Hello, im thinking about using kubuntu, what i want to learn before that is if i can get help here when i face problems. it s not that i ll test things on os but sometimes when i use things that i should be able to use ,like kde addons from store or just do nothing and tmorrow i may have a problem,do you think i can get help for those kind of things here at telegram chat ?
[16:54] <genii> @tbs61 You've landed through Telegram in the Kubuntu IRC support channel on the Libera network, it is the official support channel where we try to assist users with their questions.
 That s nice. soon i ll install kubuntu. i hope there wont be any problem to write here but things dont go that way mostly:) (re @IrcsomeBot: <genii> @tbs61 You've landed through Telegram in the Kubuntu IRC support channel on the Libera network, it is the official support channel where we try to assist users with their questions.)
 If you are facing any kind of problem first of all try to Google it if it's not going to work then contact us. (re @tbs61: That s nice. soon i ll install kubuntu. i hope there wont be any problem to write here but things dont go that way mostly:))
 If you are facing any kind of problem first of all try to Google it if it's not going to work then contact us. In this group (re @tbs61: That s nice. soon i ll install kubuntu. i hope there wont be any problem to write here but things dont go that way mostly:))
 sure first i use duckduckgo (re @Ullashmishra: If you are facing any kind of problem first of all try to Google it if it's not going to work then contact us. In this group)
[17:16] <oerheks> !google
[17:16] <oerheks> bing it !
[17:16] <oerheks> ubuntu forum search engine *is* bing :-D
 if i need i would use google or bing, for now, for 2 years im good with ddg so i  dont need others.
 i just remembered a question i had in mind. i actually installed kubuntu to my sis's  laptop before a year or so i guess. each time we reboot we need to write password for wifi. can we solve that problem?
 to be clear, wifi doesnt disconnect randomly or out of control. that problem comes when we reboot system
[17:31] <oerheks> tbs61 that occurs when you autologin, it asks for the password for your keyring/seahorse
 idk about keyring/seahorse (re @IrcsomeBot: <oerheks> tbs61 that occurs when you autologin, it asks for the password for your keyring/seahorse)
[17:34] <oerheks> it stores certificates for updates, and your personal passwords, also wifi
 so is it normal that each time it asks wifi password ? (re @IrcsomeBot: <oerheks> it stores certificates for updates, and your personal passwords, also wifi)
[17:34] <oerheks> yes
 i tried to find  an option to make it auto connect but couldnt find, is there one ?
[17:35] <oerheks> * unless you disable autologin on your account, then your wifi password would be safe, and the keyring loaded ( if it is the same password)
 is this mean i have to enter account passsword or wifi password ? (re @IrcsomeBot: <oerheks> * unless you disable autologin on your account, then your wifi password would be safe, and the keyring loaded ( if it is the same password))
 sorry, i dont know much so i  ask this much...
[22:12] <user|80> hi
[22:12] <user|80> how can i access the wastebin using the commandline


[00:01] <cjwatson> jdong: don't know, please try with ubiquity --debug and send me /var/log/syslog and /var/log/installer/debug (before rebooting)
[00:01] <jdong> ok, will do
[00:34] <Bsims> Is there a way to automaticaly tell apt/synaptic to automatically download all -dev packages for all libraries?
[00:35] <robert_ancell> does anyone know the safe way to compile with warning flags (-Wall etc) in automake.  i.e. that will work with other compilers?
[00:38] <cjwatson> robert_ancell: see man-db/m4/man-gcc-warning.m4 for one possible approach
[00:38] <robert_ancell> cjwatson, thanks
[00:39] <cjwatson> robert_ancell: actually, there's a more polished version in gnulib, gl_WARN_ADD
[00:39] <cjwatson> m4/warnings.m4
[00:42] <Bsims> Is there a way to automaticaly tell apt/synaptic to automatically download all -dev packages for all libraries? I build some things from source and it would save the ./configure, growl, apt-get, repeat dance
[00:43] <RAOF> Bsims: There is not, but have you tried “aptitude build-dep $PACKAGE”?  For packages in the archive that will get you all the necessary dependencies.
[00:43] <johanbr> Bsims, you could try "sudo apt-get install $(dpkg -l |awk '$2 ~ /.*-dev$/{print $2}')"
[00:43] <RAOF> It would be a relatively easy thing to script if you really wanted to, though. johanbr's one liner is a good start.
[00:43] <Bsims> RAOF: its not in the archive is the problem
[00:44] <Bsims> johanbr: Yeah I thought something like that
[00:44]  * Bsims grins now what I'd love to bluesky is a metapackage or option to synaptic/Ubuntu Software Center for that
[00:49] <Bsims> Thanks
[01:13]  * hallyn needs an ubuntu install cd to install on his 10 year old laptop that won't boot usb :)  drat, cds are so 5 years ago that i have no blanks
[01:54] <mathiaz> smoser: hey!
[01:54] <mathiaz> smoser: I looked at the landscape-client SRU - it's already been uploaded to -proposed
[01:55] <smoser> ugh
[01:55] <smoser> sorry to have wasted your time
[01:55] <smoser> when was it uploaded ?
[01:55] <mathiaz> smoser: however it still sits in the queue because one of the bug is not a proper SRU
[01:55] <smoser> ugh.  it would have been nice if someone would have mentioned that in the bug rather than just ignoring
[01:55] <mathiaz> smoser: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
[01:56] <mathiaz> smoser: it actually is mentioned in the bug 597000
[01:57] <mathiaz> smoser: https://bugs.launchpad.net/landscape-client/+bug/597000/comments/4
[01:57] <mathiaz> smoser: so I've assigned free from the landscape team to look at that
[01:57] <mathiaz> smoser: and turn the bug into a proper SRU
[01:57] <mathiaz> smoser: the issue comes from the fact there were 2 uploads to -proposed
[01:57] <smoser> yeah.
[01:57] <smoser> sorry.
[01:58] <smoser> i was just sheparding :-(
[01:58] <mathiaz> smoser: which always makes things a little bit more complicated
[01:58] <mathiaz> smoser: I understand - no worries ;)
[01:58] <ScottK> Laney: Anyone can set verification done.  To the extent you find the wiki confusing on this point, please fix it.
[02:23] <poolie> that would make us doll-wigglers
[02:23] <lifeless> QA is hard, lets drink beer.
[02:23] <RAOF> They're actually absolute imports; simply dropping the leading ‘.’ works fine.
[02:23] <RAOF> poolie: I'm OK with that, as long as they're daemonic dolls.
[02:24] <poolie> i think there should be no dot there
[02:24] <RAOF> It *does* work without the dot, yes.
[02:25] <poolie> wow it's all over the place
[02:25]  * RAOF didn't find an upstream bug before moving on to other things.
[02:26] <RAOF> Yeah.  All the imports are faux-relative.
[02:26] <RAOF> I should probably have documented that on the bug. :)
[02:26] <poolie> perhaps upstream tested it from inside a source directory so it found a different module
[02:26] <poolie> though that still doesn't seem like it would work
[02:26] <poolie> oh, perhaps i duped your bug?
[02:26] <poolie> i just filed this one
[02:27] <poolie> i also filed https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hamster-applet/+bug/600855 but it may have the same root cause
[02:27] <RAOF> Yup.  They'll have the same root cause, and are both duplicates of…
[02:27] <poolie> what's worse is without hamster i can't track how much time i'm spending on this yak :-)
[02:29] <RAOF> :)
[02:29] <RAOF> Ah.  Of bug #599654, which apport has helpfully marked private.
[02:31] <RAOF> Hm.  According to bug #596072 it works in git master?
[02:35] <poolie> i wonder if we have an import branch
[02:35] <RAOF> Shall I leave you to work out what's what?  I can upload if you need a fix sponsored.
[02:35] <poolie> ok
[02:39] <poolie> those import statements still seem to be present in our branch of it
[02:39] <lifeless> merge-upstream time probably
[02:40] <poolie> i mean in our import branch of their master branch, which seems to be up to date
[02:40] <lifeless> oh
[02:42] <lifeless> http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0366/
[02:43] <lifeless> http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0328/ is the main relative import PEP
[02:55] <poolie> yay, fixed
[02:56] <RAOF> Huzzah!
[03:04] <poolie> raof can you take it from here? sponsor an upload or something
[03:04] <RAOF> poolie: Absolutely.  Where's the fix?
[03:05] <poolie> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mbp/ubuntu/maverick/hamster-applet/600857-imports/+merge/29046
[07:03] <pitti> Good morning
[07:03] <dholbach> good morning
[07:03] <ajmitch> hi
[07:03] <poolie> hi there
[08:09] <ricotz> pitti, good morning, please don't care about if i am opening this bug again this isnt an ubuntu bug and slipped into the changelog https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/docky/+bug/504486
[08:09] <pitti> ricotz: ah, ok; no problem
[08:09] <pitti> I just thought it was an oversight, since "incomplete" for a fixed bug seems strange
[08:12] <ricotz> pitti, yes and this bug is a bit strange, thanks for accepting docky
[08:12] <pitti> thanks for all the testing
[08:22] <dupondje> Some archive admin that can accept https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/opal/+bug/600121 ?
[08:23] <mvo> cjwatson: I had a "unaligned pointer 0xxxxx" error this morning in maverick at boot, I fixed it via grub-install /dev/sda. I don't boot the system often so I can not say with 100% certainty what version may have caused it. let me know if I should provide more info or a bugreport please
[08:25] <pitti> lool: (reading liblauncher-0.1 changelog); we don't need a quilt b-dep for 3.0 packages
[08:26] <lool> pitti: Oh right
[08:27] <lool> pitti: Pushed to lp:ubuntu branch
[08:28] <pitti> not a biggie, but merci
[08:34] <dupondje> dholbach: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=569077
[08:35] <dholbach> dupondje: is debian upstream for that package?
[08:35] <dholbach> dupondje: or who is the author of it?
[08:35] <dupondje> linuxtv itself
[08:35] <dupondje> going to check to make a bugreport there
[08:35] <dholbach> thanks a bunch dupondje
[08:49] <cjwatson> mvo: debconf-show grub-pc | grep install_devices
[08:51] <mvo> cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/458198/
[08:54] <cjwatson> mvo: and no dialog on upgrade or anything?
[08:55] <cjwatson> mvo: that's very odd, it ought to have run grub-install for you
[08:55] <mvo> cjwatson: let me check my log, I don't reboot the machine much, its quite likely that this happend a couple of days ago, I did however upgrade to the latest grub-pc this morning (before grub-install /dev/sda) and got no dialog and no fix
[08:55] <mvo> cjwatson: let me check the apt/term.log
[09:01] <mvo> cjwatson: here is what I have in the logs related to grub http://paste.ubuntu.com/458201/ - I can upload the full logs too if that is helpful
[09:28] <cjwatson> mvo: ah, this is Debian #586143 then
[09:28] <cjwatson> mvo: as in, same cause - you have leftovers of a GRUB Legacy upgrade still around
[09:28] <cjwatson> mvo: next upload will fix it, so just don't do anything for now and you can test that process :-)
[09:29] <cjwatson> mvo: mind you, having lupin-support installed probably isn't helping either - is this a Wubi install?
[09:31] <mvo> cjwatson: ok, I will not touch it and wait for the next upload :) the lupin thing is a leftover from a hardy->lucid upgrade issue triggered by lupin (the infinite loop bug)
[09:32] <mvo> cjwatson: I installed it then to check it out but forgot to remove it again
[09:58] <cjwatson> mvo: lupin-support is harmless, actually, looking at it
[09:58] <cjwatson> it does divert grub-install, but the diversion just chains through to the real one if wubildr doesn't exist
[10:12] <ogra> does anyone know from the top of their head where udevd writes its queue file ?
[10:12]  * ogra would suspect in /dev
[10:13] <ogra> ah, seems like /dev/.udev/
[10:50] <apw> do i detect a rebuild test in progress (from the length of the PPA queues) ?
[10:58] <geser> apw: yes, a test-rebuild is in progress (https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20100628/)
[11:01] <ogra> cjwatson, could you promote the linux-ti-omap4 metapackage to main ? seems it landed in universe
[11:01] <ogra> (though i'm not really happy with the naming, should rather be just linux-omap4)
[11:07] <cjwatson> ogra: done
[11:07] <cjwatson> need to sort out omap4 seeds, mind you
[11:07] <ogra> we have subarch specific seeds ?
[11:08] <ogra> you nean it needs to be added to the installer seed etc ?
[11:08] <ogra> *mane
[11:08] <ogra> gah
[11:08] <ogra> *mean
[11:10] <cjwatson> that wasn't what I meant, although the versions in the installer seed need to be updated
[11:10] <cjwatson> how about I take care of it, since I know what I mean :)
[11:10] <cjwatson> easier to do than to explain
[11:11] <ogra> yeah
[11:12] <cjwatson> ogra: do you know why there are no udebs for the new linux-ti-omap4 package?
[11:12]  * ogra fixes livecd-rootfs ... i went with the wrong assumption the metapackage would follow our naming scheme
[11:12] <cjwatson> uh, maybe that's wrong
[11:12] <cjwatson> linux-ti-omap4 | 2.6.34-901.2 |      maverick | source
[11:12] <cjwatson> linux-meta-ti-omap4 | <IP_ADDRESS>0.1 | maverick/universe | source
[11:12] <cjwatson> is something out of sync?
[11:12] <pitti> mr_pouit: uploaded xfce4-session to xubuntu-dev PPA with another piece of halsectomy, FTR
[11:12] <ogra> i dont think so, there was only one upload
[11:13]  * ogra checks deps
[11:13] <cjwatson> linux-meta-ti-omap4 (<IP_ADDRESS>0.1) maverick; urgency=low
[11:13] <cjwatson>   * Maverick ABI 900 (2.6.34-900.1)
[11:13] <cjwatson> this is, to say the least, odd
[11:14] <cjwatson> and the autogenerated dependencies are of course on 2.6.35
[11:14]  * cjwatson suspects a difficult-to-fix foul-up
[11:16] <ogra> hmm, yeah
[11:16] <cjwatson> if I'm understanding this correctly, and you want to change the package names anyway, now would be a good time to do it. :-)
[11:16] <cjwatson> that'll be easier than trying to roll back the version
[11:17] <ogra> yeah
[11:17] <ogra> the binary should really be linux-omap4
[11:17] <ogra> to match with all other packages
[11:17] <mr_pouit> "Monkey-patch" huhu pitti, nice. I'll test that this evening ;)
[11:17]  * apw notes that these packages were uploaded 10 days ago, and you are checking them after the freeze ...
[11:17] <ogra> the versioning might have been done with a view on the future
[11:18] <ogra> since the omap4 branch will end up at 2.6.35 before kernel freeze
[11:18] <apw> ogra, normally we'd not do that, i suspect its a typo
[11:18] <apw> typo
[11:18] <ogra> apw, ok
[11:18] <apw> as 34 is < .35 anyhow
[11:18] <ogra> apw, could i get a fix for both issues ? :)
[11:18] <pitti> mr_pouit: in the sense that I only changed as little as necessary
[11:19] <pitti> mr_pouit: i. e. error messages will still talk about "HAL" :)
[11:19] <pitti> mr_pouit: but it works great here, tested suspend, reboot, and shutdown; hibernate properly says "not enough swap space" (I don't have swap in that project)
[11:19] <ogra> apw, which freeze are you referring to ?
[11:20] <apw> alpha-2 ?
[11:20] <ogra> we dont even have omap4 images :)
[11:20] <ogra> so A2 didnt matter
[11:20] <apw> ahh tahts ok then
[11:20] <ogra> i'm just starting to roll the first set
[11:20] <ogra> or planned to start when i found the odd stuff :)
[11:21] <m4t> hey, i've been working for a few hrs to get plymouth working on a custom kernel, and i got it finally working with KMS enabled on radeon...but now GDM doesn't appear. it just stays at the ubuntu logo, though gdm and X are supposedly running. is this a simple fix?
[11:21] <pitti> mr_pouit: updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Halsectomy, too
[11:21] <cjwatson> apw: alpha-2 was released yesterday :)
[11:22] <ogra> yeah, that too :)
[11:22] <m4t> i killed it and now its accessible
[11:22] <apw> cjwatson, although there the binary packages are the wrong name, the source package is actually correct, so to 'fix' this i'd be wanting to upload an older version ... is that even possible ?
[11:22] <cjwatson> apw: it's not possible
[11:22] <ogra> smeels like epoch
[11:22] <cjwatson> apw: either epoch, or rename the source package
[11:23] <cjwatson> (and check that your scripts work with an epoch, if the former)
[11:23]  * apw whines
[11:23] <ogra> apw, i'd go with a new source package, just frop the ti
[11:23] <ogra> *drop even
[11:23] <cjwatson> apw: if you can't rename, then this is what epochs are for
[11:23] <apw> cjwatson, yeah ... but they are evil
[11:24] <ogra> there is not really a reason to point to the vendor in the package name ... there wont be other manufacturers producing OMAP
[11:24] <apw> ogra, well we have a standard naming scheme for our source packages
[11:24] <apw> and only this odd naming scheme for the binaries cause the installer was difficult
[11:25] <apw> so to be inconsistent would be annoying
[11:25] <cjwatson> apw: no they're not
[11:25] <ogra> linux-meta-ec2 ?
[11:25] <cjwatson> apw: they're evil if Debian doesn't have an epoch
[11:25] <cjwatson> apw: in that case, we're dooming ourselves to unsyncability forever
[11:25] <cjwatson> apw: but that's not relevant here, so an epoch is the right technical tool for the job
[11:25] <ogra> linux-lpia-meta ...
[11:26]  * apw cannot see the last one :)
[11:26] <ogra> heh
[11:26] <apw> all our vendor branches are named the same, and the source packages match them
[11:26] <ogra> well, then go with epoch
[11:26] <ogra> was just a suggestion to easily avoid adding one
[11:27] <ogra> though i dont know what an epoch imples for the M+1 release where omap4 is supposed to end up in the mainline branch
[11:28] <apw> ogra, yeah ... i really don't want to find out all the nastyness that an epoch would produce either
[11:28] <apw> if we know we are definatly going to be getting a .35 based before release we can probabally just 'fix' the meta packages for the moment
[11:28] <ogra> it might force you to add an epoch linux-meta for upgradeability reasons
[11:29]  * apw will talk to tim, and get a plan together ... what a pain
[11:29] <ogra> though linux-meta seems to break your naming scheme :)
[11:29]  * ogra giggles
[11:29] <ogra> there is linux-omap
[11:29] <apw> yeah the binary packages should be linux-flavour
[11:29] <ogra> yeah
[11:30] <apw> that is a bug also
[11:30] <ogra> thats the one i'm more intrested in actually
[11:30] <apw> well the version not pointing to the right place isn't going to win us awards
[11:30] <cjwatson> an epoch in linux-meta would hardly be the end of the world
[11:31] <ogra> linux-meta-ti-omap4 | <IP_ADDRESS>0.1 ... you could just keep bumping the minor version there until the actual image is at .35
[11:31] <ogra> but indeed thats extra work to maintain it
[11:31] <cjwatson> certainly you could sed s/2\.6\.35/2\.6\.34/ in debian/rules for a while
[11:31] <apw> ogra, indeed, but it might be the easiest course
[11:31] <cjwatson> er fix syntax to work
[11:31] <apw> cjwatson, exactly my thought
[11:31] <ogra> yeah
[11:31] <apw> as we know it will be .35 in the end
[11:31] <m4t> okay that was happening i guess because of the dkms enable parameter i passed to radeon.ko
[11:32] <apw> bah humbug ... ogra thanks for the heads up
[11:33] <ogra> apw, thanks for taking care :)
[11:33] <m4t> i only have one other question. i applied 0001-trace-add-trace-events-for-open-exec-an.patch and enabled CONFIG_FTRACE=y and CONFIG_ENABLE_DEFAULT_TRACERS=y. ureadahead will write to /var/lib/ureadahead if i run it after say, doing 'find /'
[11:33] <m4t> but at boot it writes nothing. is there some way to debug it? perhaps have it log to a file?
[11:36] <apw> m4t, you have to remove the pack to triger it to make a new one
[11:37] <m4t> yep there is no pack, and i even tried creating a 0 length one with a > 1mo timestamp
[11:37] <m4t> i also tried changing /etc/init/ureadahead.conf to also use '--force-trace'
[11:38] <apw> as this is a personal kernel have you tested ftrace works even?
[11:38] <m4t> pretty sure it works because i ran ureadahead -v after stat()ing a whole bunch of files with find
[11:38] <m4t> and i got flooded with messages about things that came up in /proc not being regular files
[11:39] <apw> then its a little odd its not working on boot for you then
[11:39] <apw> nothing other than the kernel is be-spoke ?
[11:39] <m4t> nope
[11:39] <m4t> only reason i'm running a newer kernel is for pax patch
[11:40] <m4t> newer/custom
[11:40] <m4t> and i've got pax disabled on the ureadahead binary
[11:43] <m4t> if i do ureadahead -v, run find /usr, and then ^C it definitely appears to work, and write to /var/lib/ureadahead
[11:43] <m4t> see 'pack' itself and various *.pack files for my partitions
[11:43] <apw> m4t, and have you confirmed it is even run on boot ?
[11:43] <m4t> apw ;-)
[11:44] <apw> is that a yes?
[11:44] <m4t> i see it in boot.log
[11:44] <m4t> well i mean i haven't truely confirmed
[11:44] <m4t> but it does have messages there
[11:44] <apw> i would be tempted to move it to ureadahead.real and add  a wrapper that records it being run
[11:44] <apw> and see hwat params it gets
[11:45] <m4t> i will try that
[11:55] <m4t> it definitely does run
[11:55] <m4t> i was in single user. the only thing i thought might be happening is ureadahead opening a file on ROOT/var rather than my separate var partition
[11:55] <m4t> i wasn't able to unmount var to investigate though
[11:57] <m4t> no thats definitely not whats happening, i checked
[11:58] <m4t> about all i found out is that ureadahead runs, and returns 0 to the shell
[12:01] <m4t> oh duh, well https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ureadahead/+bug/523484
[12:01] <directhex> Subject: 	libgdiplus_2.6.4-1_source.changes rejected
[12:01] <directhex> libgdiplus is a mono package, can i please have upload rights on it?
[12:01] <m4t> maybe i can create the directories manually on /
[12:02] <Laney> directhex: ping cjwatson to get it added to the set
[12:02] <m4t> ah i see a great solution actually
[12:02] <Laney> (I guess that just did it)
[12:02] <directhex> cjwatson is conveniently awake
[12:03] <m4t> have '/'var/lib/ureadahead be a symlink to '/'.ureadahead
[12:05] <cjwatson> sure
[12:12] <m4t> yes the smlinks work, i definitely have the pack files in /.ureadahead now
[12:12] <m4t> apw thanks
[12:13] <m4t> im going to update that to make sure that /.ureadahead/debugfs is created, else it won't work
[13:02] <apw> cjwatson, which meta package does the installer use?  or is it a direct linkage
[13:04] <cjwatson> apw: normally the top-level one if it can, i.e. linux-<flavour>
[13:04] <cjwatson> though it falls back to linux-image-<flavour>
[13:05] <apw> so does that mean its important that the linux-<flavour> matches the linux-image-*-<flavour> ?
[13:06] <cjwatson> you mean whether the two <flavour>s are textually the same?
[13:07] <apw> yeah do they need to be the same ?
[13:07] <cjwatson> no, the installer doesn't care
[13:07] <cjwatson> linux-<flavour> can depend on apw-is-god-let-all-earth-adore-him for all it cares
[13:08] <cjwatson> (though you might have a slight archive admin issue there)
[13:08] <apw> heheh i bet
[13:33] <directhex> cjwatson, is there an email address or something i should ping to formally request a change to the cli-mono package set?
[13:34] <cjwatson> directhex: no need, I just got distracted - done now
[13:34] <directhex> ta
[13:41] <directhex> Subject: 	[ubuntu/maverick] libgdiplus 2.6.4-1 (Accepted)
[13:41] <directhex> woo
[14:33] <apw> ogra, ok its in the queue, but the buildd's claim it won't start until the 5th
[14:34] <apw> ogra, not that that makes much sense as the queue is only 8 hours long
[14:36] <hallyn> james_w: hi - could you port the seabios package into bzr?
[14:38] <james_w> hallyn: it's already done: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seabios
[14:38] <hallyn> james_w: dude!
[14:38] <hallyn> thanks :)
[14:39] <hallyn> (i swear i checked that!)
[14:41] <cnd> james_w: would you be able to take a look into why xorg-server package releases for maverick are not getting pushed into the bzr branch?
[14:41] <hallyn> kirkland: so i guess i'll do a merge request through bzr instead
[14:58] <ogra> apw, all fine, it built
[14:58] <apw> ogra, how did that happen, those estimates are all mad
[14:59] <ogra> the queue doesnt know how long a package actually builds so it assumes worst case if all builders are occupied i think
[14:59] <ogra> apw, if you have such a case you can ask a buildd admin to bump priority btw
[14:59] <apw> ogra, hrm, i thought it built an average time for each package
[14:59] <pitti> I think it does know (roughly) how long a package will need
[14:59] <pitti> I guess it looks at the build time of the previous version
[15:00] <apw> pitti, seems to be all out of wack today, was saying 3days, yet it built in minutes
[15:00] <pitti> maybe that's broken for PPAs
[15:00] <apw> Can't open average time db /var/debbuild/avg-build-times
[15:00] <apw> Can't open average space db /var/debbuild/avg-build-space
[15:00] <apw> pitti, this was a main buildd build, going into maverick
[15:01] <apw> but i suspect that they may be broken
[15:01] <pitti> apw: hm, where does it say 8 hours?
[15:01] <pitti> main buildds are rather empty, except doorstopper archs
[15:02] <apw> pitti, when i submitted the upload, it said it was going to start on the 5th, so i looked at the queue /builders/ and it said 8 hours, and then the job itself ran about 20 mins later
[15:02] <pitti> fun
[15:02] <apw> something isn't quite right with its head
[15:02] <pitti> apw: it's just too hot outside
[15:02] <apw> cirtainly is here :)
[15:03]  * pitti looks forward to the weekend, which he will spend with tenting, swimming, reading, idling, BBQ, and watching the soccer game
[15:21] <apw> pitti, sounds like a dream
[15:21] <apw> i am seeing builds failing "failed to upload" in the rebuild test
[15:22] <apw> is that normal, or something i should report
[15:22] <apw> ogra, are those new meta packages looking a bit better?
[15:52] <apw> cjwatson, did the linux-meta-omap dissappear from maverick in the end ?
[15:54] <mvo> DktrKranz: hi, just wanted to let you know that I updated gdebi to use python-apts debfile and python-apt now has all the features that were missing (kiwinote did a good chunk of this porting)
[15:54] <mvo> DktrKranz: I'm pretty happy about this :)
[15:55] <DktrKranz> mvo: a-ha! cool :)
[15:55] <mvo> plus improved testsuit for debfile.py as a added bonus (the gdebi test-debs) :)
[15:55]  * mvo feels like after a spring cleanup
[15:56] <DktrKranz> some older code has already been dropped, gdebi's lifting \o/
[15:56] <mvo> yeah :)
[15:57] <mvo>  11 files changed, 42 insertions(+), 238 deletions(-)
[15:59] <cjwatson> apw: linux-meta-omap is gone, although there's still a linux-meta-ti-omap source package building no binaries
[16:00] <cjwatson> apw: I could use a bug report with ubuntu-archive subscribed to it explaining what the desired state is
[16:01] <apw> cjwatson, yep can do that
[16:01] <cjwatson> thanks
[16:13] <ogra> jdstrand, could you let linux-omap4 oput of NEW ?
[16:13] <ogra> *out
[16:13] <ogra> (it changed its binary name)
[16:15] <apw> cjwatson, i've assigned ubuntu-archive to bug #595949 which was the bug under which we fixed the linkage in linux-meta, i've added a full descrtiption of the change and what I think is required in the last comment
[16:16] <apw> s/assigned/subscribed
[16:18] <mdeslaur> ogra: jdstrand is on vacation
[16:19] <ogra> mdeslaur, hmm, you dont happen to know who does his archive admin duties on fridays ?
[16:20] <mdeslaur> ogra: no, sorry
[16:23] <ogra> so since jdstrand is on vac. could some other archive admin please let linux-omap4 out of NEW ?
[16:36] <ari-tczew> kirkland: ping
[16:36] <kirkland> ari-tczew: hi
[16:37] <ari-tczew> hi kirkland, is it possible contribute to Debian first for byobu and syncs to Ubuntu then?
[16:38] <kirkland> ari-tczew: i'm the upstream for byobu, and an Ubuntu developer;  i generally release byobu upstream, and upload to Ubuntu at the same time
[16:38] <kirkland> ari-tczew: i'd like to be a Debian maintainer of the package, and upload to Debian too, simultaneously
[16:38] <kirkland> ari-tczew: i need to jump through the DM hoops, though, and i haven't gotten around to that
[16:42] <ari-tczew> kirkland: http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/byobu.html shows: maint    Dustin Kirkland
[16:43] <kirkland> ari-tczew: i saw that and asked;  it just means that i have had uploads sponsored
[16:43] <kirkland> ari-tczew: if you fancy sponsoring my packages, i would be glad
[16:43] <ari-tczew> kirkland: hehe, I'm not Debian Developer
[16:43] <kirkland> ari-tczew: okay
[16:44] <kirkland> ari-tczew: so what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
[16:44] <kirkland> ari-tczew: you want byobu uploaded to ubuntu and debian at the same time, right at release?
[16:44] <ari-tczew> kirkland: yea, I'd be glad to see packages Ubuntu = Debian (synced)
[16:45] <kirkland> ari-tczew: even if that means that debian is a downstream of ubuntu in this case (as long as they're in sync)?
[16:45] <Laney> you can infact upload the same exact package simultaneously
[16:45] <Laney> using syncpackage
[16:47] <kirkland> Laney: i assume that requires DD or DM privs?
[17:01] <ziggystar> I'm fighting with a bug with nm-applet. For a second user it seems it's lacking permissions. Running it with sudo works fine for that user. Can someone tell me how nm-applet gets started by gnome?
[17:07] <james_w> cnd: fixed
[17:07] <cnd> james_w: awesome!
[17:07] <cnd> thanks!
[17:40] <mathiaz> pitti: hi!
[17:41] <mathiaz> pitti: re landscape-client SRU - there are two of them in the queue for now
[17:41] <mathiaz> pitti: what should we do with them?
[17:41] <mathiaz> pitti: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
[17:43] <shadeslayer> hey! any desktopcouch maintainers around?
[17:53] <Laney> kirkland: Right, I'm thinking that you build your package for unstable and then syncpackage gives you a changesfile for M or whatever
[17:53] <kirkland> Laney: what provides syncpackage?
[17:53] <Laney> FWIW getting DM for your package should be easy
[17:53] <Laney> ubuntu-dev-tools
[17:55] <cr3> in general, if a storage device fails to automount, against which package should the bug be reported?
[17:56] <cr3> if gvfsd, what would be the corresponding package on kubuntu?
[17:56] <cjwatson> use 'ubuntu-bug storage', I believe
[17:57] <cjwatson> which works it out
[17:57] <cjwatson> (it uses gvfs on GNOME and kdelibs5 on KDE, but it's still best to go through the automatic thing)
[17:58] <cr3> cjwatson: thanks for reminding me about that :)
[17:58] <Laney> ah, yes I have one of those bugs to file
[18:42] <ccheney> is there  a way to disable ipv6 in maverick?
[18:42] <ccheney> i'm testing some code and i think its having issues on using ipv6
[18:45] <ccheney> ah i finally found out the correct syntax
[18:57] <lex79> cjwatson: I can't upload kdebase-workspace, meta-kde and pkg-kde-tools, are not in the set of packages for a kubuntu-developer. Is it possible fix that? :)
[19:13] <cr3> anyone know about a firewire device which seems to have started appearing with vendor id 0xd00d1e (looks suspicious, "doodle")
[19:14] <cr3> hm, seems to come up as: FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller (rev 04). weird how the vendor id detected > 0xFFFF
[19:16] <cr3> the weird thing is that /sys//devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:05:0b.1/fw0/vendor is returning the id 0xd00d1e whereas lspci is returning another vendor id
[19:16] <shadeslayer> hi,can someone look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/desktopcouch/+bug/565376
[19:16] <shadeslayer> seems ubuntu dev is the maintainer of the package
[19:16] <shadeslayer> and it needs a SRU
[19:19]  * shadeslayer knows no Ubuntu Devs
[19:21] <arand> shadeslayer: Go through the !sru process, and wait patiently. Is the normal procedure in those cases.
[19:22] <shadeslayer> arand: have gone through it
[19:22] <shadeslayer> arand: ive attached a debdiff to the package
[19:22] <shadeslayer> uh... s/package/bug report
[19:22] <shadeslayer> just needs some love :)
[19:24] <arand> shadeslayer: Is it fixed in maverick?
[19:24] <shadeslayer> arand: no,should i attach a debdiff for it too?
[19:24] <shadeslayer> needs the same change to maverick too...
[19:24] <arand> shadeslayer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates : 1. Check that the bug is fixed in the current development release, and that its bug report task is "Fix released". It is, in general, not appropriate to release bug fixes for stable systems without first testing them in the current development branch. ...
[19:24] <shadeslayer> arand: basically.. gnome keyring needs to be installed along with python-desktopcouch for the gui authentication stuff
[19:25] <shadeslayer> arand: oh my..
[19:25] <shadeslayer> arand: will post a debdiff for maverick,will you look into it?
[19:26] <arand> shadeslayer: I'm no dev either, so I'm afraid no.
[19:26] <shadeslayer> arand: i actually posted the kubuntu devs the debdiff for maverick,but they told me to poke package maintainers
[19:26] <shadeslayer> arand: no problem :)
[19:26] <cr3> cyphermox: when you have a moment, please confirm bug #601161. thanks!
[19:27] <arand> shadeslayer: Also, for SRU there is some formatting of the bug report to be done as well (test case, etc.), but that's all mentioned in the process which you've already read ;þ
[19:29] <arand> shadeslayer: If you don't have upload right you basically stop halfway at step 3. nominating it.
[19:30] <shadeslayer> arand: got it
[19:31] <shadeslayer> arand: anyways need to get it fixed in maverick first :P
[20:10] <njin> Someone remember if past years was possible to have SO on one disk and swap on another ?
[20:27] <directhex> SO?
[22:05] <jono> TheMuso, ping?
[22:41] <shadeslayer> any idea where apturl stores its desktop file?
[22:44] <micahg> shadeslayer: it doesn't have one
[22:45] <shadeslayer> micahg: really?
[22:45] <shadeslayer> i thought i saw one
[22:45]  * micahg doesn't see one in the file list
[22:45] <shadeslayer> micahg: what about apturl-kde ? or apturl-common?
[22:46] <shadeslayer> hmm.. your right
[22:48] <cjwatson> lex79: fixed
[23:10] <directhex> oh yes, the NEW queue. i forgot about that thing
[23:43] <lex79> cjwatson: thanks :)


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[16:31] <hobgoblin> hello wojox - nice to see you in here as well :)
[16:59] <wojox> i logged on yesterday just to add this to my favorites and got side tracked. lol
[16:59] <hobgoblin> :)
[16:59] <cortman> great


[00:28] <zvacet> is xfce 4.8 out and how to install it in ubuntu
[00:30] <knome> zvacet, no, xfce 4.8 is not released
[00:33] <zvacet> but it should be available until now what happened
[00:34] <knome> zvacet, it's not really a thing to discuss here, but the xfce team is small, people have life other than xfce (and they're not paid to work on xfce), so 4.8 is not ready yet and they do not want to push out a broken release.
[00:35] <knome> zvacet, you might get a better overview on where xfce 4.8 is at #xfce or #xfce-dev (though you need to be voiced before you can talk in there, and that's not automatic)
[00:35] <zvacet> knome:  I know they are not doing that for living but I was looking forward to see it  will it be possible to upgrade ( when it is finished) on lucid
[00:39] <zvacet> knome:  for now how can I upgrade to 4.6.2
[00:40] <knome> is there something you definitely need?
[00:41] <zvacet> I have 4.6.1 and I want to know is it possible to upgrade to latest stable release
[00:43] <knome> zvacet, you can build 4.6.2 in your system, but that's not recommended. 4.6.2 is going to be in the SRU's later. if you want to be cutting edge, you will have to build, build and build.
[00:50] <zvacet> O.K. tnx for answer Iwas interested in possibility  to upgrade my xubuntu I´m not in hurry just wanted to know if there is a way to do it
[01:31] <xubuntu602> startx
[15:00] <george2002> como se ponen los fondos de letras de los iconos en el escritorio, trnasparentes?
[15:00] <george2002> transparentes
[15:01] <Raggs> morning all
[15:02] <george2002> an sorry
[15:04] <george2002> icono is desktop transparent?
[15:04] <george2002> font word
[15:46] <slow-motion> hi
[20:24] <arpad_> i upgraded to 10.04
[20:25] <arpad_> and again the as the result of the grub update, i cant boot Windows now
[20:26] <arpad_> also some programs have been removed, and interestingly some were not
[21:35] <Adamf> hi. Can anyone help with networking issue in xubuntu?
[21:35] <knome> !ask | Adamf
[21:42] <LukAtMeee> hi.anyone help with networking issue?
[21:42] <knome> !ask | LukAtMeee, changing your nick won't really help you, i'm giving you this link again;
[21:43] <Sysi> knome: we have !repeat
[21:43] <knome> Sysi, you do, i don't
[21:43] <knome> ;)
[21:44] <LukAtMeee> sorry. I gotr rejectewd by the server as the nick was already in use. Had to rejoin. I'm a newbie to this, so please don't get annoyed.never used irc before.everyone must start somewhere, even you had too!
[21:44] <knome> LukAtMeee, no problem
[21:45] <LukAtMeee> You say you had a link, but I can't see it.
[21:45] <knome> sorry, meant factoid, not link
[21:45] <knome> LukAtMeee, please describe your problem
[21:45] <LukAtMeee> what is a !ask or !repeat mean?
[21:45] <knome> they are commands for the bot (ubottu), so we don't have to write the same things again and again
[21:47] <LukAtMeee> I have set up samba using gui, but my windows machines can see each other but not xubuntu machine. All same workgroup name.do all usernames must be the same to even see machine? Is there some other thing I must configure too?
[21:47] <knome> !smb
[21:48] <LukAtMeee> okay.will try those links. Thanks.
[21:48] <knome> no problem
[21:48] <knome> good luck:)
[21:50] <LukAtMeee> does it make a difference if I am in xubuntu gui or straight ubuntu?I have noticed that some ubuntu instructions don't seem to be able to follow, like finding Places>Network
[21:50] <knome> LukAtMeee, it might somewhere make a difference, but in the end, the basics are the same
[21:51] <Sysi> graphical working enviroment is biggest difference
[21:51] <LukAtMeee> thanks.
[23:01] <slow-motion> n8