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[12:49] <walrider> Assalamu alaikum
[12:50] <pavlushka> walrider: Walaikum assalam
[12:51] <walrider> kamon asen bhai pavlushka
[12:51]  * pavlushka looking for some old papers in some new places
[12:52] <pavlushka> walrider: valo
[17:48] <pavlushka> zaki: o/
[18:10] <zaki> hey pavlushka
[18:11] <pavlushka> zaki: how is it going?
[18:11] <zaki> pavlushka, I'm good. how about you ?
[18:14] <pavlushka> zaki: me too
[18:17] <pavlushka> zaki: have you been experience any bug while using the system so far?
[18:17] <zaki> pavlushka, Ubuntu 18.4 ?
[18:18] <pavlushka> zaki: ON ANY VERSION
[18:18] <zaki> pavlushka, nah.
[18:18] <zaki> why ?
[18:18] <pavlushka> zaki: just asking


[08:51] <tjaalton> is the kernel frozen for alpha4 or are there going to be (non-ABI breaking) fixes coming in before a4?
[08:52] <tjaalton> there's one particular patch for the drm subsystem, which would fix the problem with lost interrupts after a VT change (on intel gfx)
[08:53] <tjaalton> it's not committed upstream yet, since they are still discussing if it's the right fix
[08:53] <tjaalton> the bug in question is 320813
[09:01] <rtg> tjaalton: there is still time, especially for something like this.
[09:02] <rtg> I'd like to wait until it's actually committed to Linus tree (if that happens in time)
[09:02] <tjaalton> rtg: ok, I hope it'll be committed by tomorrow
[09:02] <tjaalton> upstream
[09:03] <tjaalton> Linus actually signed-off the first patch :)
[09:03] <rtg> tjaalton: please drop a note on the mailing list since I'm in Berlin at a sprint
[09:03] <tjaalton> right, I'll forward the current patch
[17:30] <lamont> rtg: now can I have an installable linux-hppa32/hardy-updates?  (makes installing _so_ much easier... :(
[17:30] <rtg> lamont: uh, dunno. smb has been doing that. I'll be seeing him for beers shortly.
[17:32] <lamont> heh


[01:57] <Cheesehead> Aw. drat. Have I begun a drop-by-and-check-the scrollbak war? I didn't want that. I surrender!
[07:48] <YoBoY> bonjour


[00:55] <Khaotic> is there a way to get window tabbing back?
[02:48] <ModManMatt> is it better to run the older version of kubuntu cuz i keep having issues with newest 1
[02:50] <ModManMatt> 16.04
[02:52] <ModManMatt> E: Malformed entry 54 in list file /etc/apt/sources.list (Component)
[02:52] <ModManMatt> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[02:52] <ModManMatt> get that now when i try to update
[03:05] <Irish_canon> Questionback to read only : when I add 777 rights to a external drive it works ntil i unmount when i remount it
[03:52] <abhishek> is there any way to get kde 5.6.95 on kubuntu 16.04?
[04:29] <soee> abhishek: no
[04:29] <soee> abhishek: but you can try Neon devstable version
[04:29] <abhishek> soee, neon is not supported on kubuntu.( Looking at their website).
[04:30] <soee> well it is based on Ubuntu 16.04 same as Kubuntu :)
[04:30] <soee> but 5.7 Beta isn't that stable as i thught, i tried it yesterday
[04:31] <abhishek> soee, thanks! I am a new user to ubuntu so I am not so inclined. When is the release of kde via backports expected, any ideas?
[04:32] <soee> There is not eta. Main blocker is Qt 5.6.1 that is required for Plasma 5.7 and ubuntu 16.04 hs 5.5.1
[04:32] <soee> 5.6.1 isn't even in Yakkety yet
[04:34] <abhishek> soee, I think 16.10 may have 5.7 someone mentioned here before. Normally, after much time is the new kde available via backports after an release.
[04:34] <abhishek> after *how much
[04:35] <soee> yes 16.10 will have it
[04:35] <soee> but i just said it hasn't yet :)
[05:17] <viewer|6724> hello!
[05:18] <viewer|6724> hi guys, my driver manager isn't working.  could someone point me to the right direction how to solve it?
[07:45] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:50] <Smurphy> Yo
[07:50] <lordievader> Hey Smurphy, how are you?
[07:51] <Smurphy> ohf. Lots to do - apart from that, fine :)
[07:51] <Smurphy> Hope that is valid for you too ;)
[07:54] <lordievader> Yeah, seems about applicable ;)
[07:54] <Smurphy> Cool :)
[07:55] <Smurphy> OK - will go and finish the scrap-booking environment for my wife. Was her Birthday present. Have mounted all the 6 Halogene spots for light, and need to electrify all that now.
[07:56] <lordievader> Good luck ;)
[08:06] <Smurphy> Done. :) Just had to finalise it. Cables and stuff.
[08:10] <ikmaak> Hi, i am having an issue after upgrading 14.04 -> 16.04, the current playing track in Amarok keeps flashing in the playlist. I have looked with #amarok, but got advised this would likely be in  Plasma/KWin. Could someone point me in the right direction?
[08:41] <ikmaak> anyone present today?
[08:43] <lordievader> Probably many... but that doesn't mean we know...
[08:43] <lordievader> However #plasma might be able to help.
[08:44] <ikmaak> lordievader: still great to know someone saw the issue :)
[08:44] <ikmaak> I will try there too :)
[10:44] <Qenxin> I had to reinstall 12.04 LTS on my laptop.  I tried to download plasmoids and desktop but get error "Plasma Desktop Shell Add-On Installer Unknown Open Collaboration Service API error. (0)" I cannot find through search engine a solution.  Is there a way to fix this?
[10:46] <Qenxin> correction -->download plasmoids and desktop wallpapers
[10:46] <hateball> Might be those services have dropped support for an old release such as 12.04
[10:46] <hateball> Qenxin: Did you fully update it after installing?
[10:47] <Qenxin> hateball:  yes. I ran update and upgrade.
[10:49] <hateball> hmmm, going to kde-look.org manually... it looks all borked
[10:49] <Qenxin> hateball: Konsole after upgrade reads: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.  What is borked?
[10:49] <hateball> Qenxin: yeah it aint working in 16.04 either
[10:50] <hateball> Qenxin: fetching plasmoids and stuff using the builtin stuff
[10:50] <hateball> someone broke this
[10:50] <hateball> Qenxin: http://forum.opendesktop.org/t/welcome-to-opendesktop-org/8
[10:51] <hateball> "One of the biggest transitions will be kde-look.org, which will take the most time, since OD resources are tightly integrated into Plasma's GHNS service. The whole transition could take up to another 12-15 weeks."
[10:55] <Qenxin> hateball: Thank you.  I feared I done something wrong on this end.  I choose a bad timing to reinstall.  Thankfully wallpapers and plasmoids i seek are not necessary for use.
[10:55] <hateball> Qenxin: that said you may want to think about migrating to at least 14.04. 12.04 has less than year left
[11:00] <Qenxin> hateball: My laptop is old.  I tried 14.04 but it is too much for the laptop.  I like Plasma 5 -- a friend has it on his desktop.  Perhaps it will be a good reason to buy a new laptop.
[11:00] <lordievader> How old is old?
[11:02] <Qenxin> hateball:  It is almost 10 years.  It had Vista on it.
[11:03] <lordievader> Oh...
[11:03] <lordievader> Yeah, that is quite old.
[11:03] <hateball> Impressive it still works :D
[11:04] <JohnDroid> if it is that old maybe try an alternative like ubuntu-mate or lubuntu?
[11:04] <JohnDroid> with a 16.04 release
[11:04] <lordievader> Or Xubuntu.
[11:04] <lordievader> You could make a live-usb to try it out.
[11:05] <Qenxin> It has lasted very well.  Once I learned how to use Gimp, I was able to leave Photoshop and Illustrator behind not needing Vista anymore.  One other question, Rekonq is having many certificate errors. Is this normal?
[11:06] <hateball> What kind of errors?
[11:06] <Qenxin> I will consider Xubuntu, but I am very fond of Amarok, Okular, and PIM.
[11:06] <hateball> Qenxin: I'd raid the piggybank and get a new laptop that can run Plasma 5 before the alternatives ;p
[11:09] <JohnDroid> sure that's even a better option if you can afford it
[11:09] <Qenxin> Lol. This is like taking a car to the mechanic.  When i typed in "certificate errors" in search engine and brought them up Rekonq gave no errors.
[11:10] <hateball> Qenxin: it can be outdated ca-certificates, dunno if those get updated on 12.04
[11:14] <Qenxin> Here is the Rekonq error:  The server failed the authenticity check (www.kubuntuforums.net).  The certificate does not apply to the given host. The certificate is not signed by any trusted certificate authority
[11:18] <hateball> Qenxin: yeah, so probably outdated ca certs then, as there is nothing wrong with the page
[11:19] <hateball> errr... cert
[11:20] <Qenxin> Yes.  Pale Moon seems to not do that.  If there are package managerment people here maybe consider Pale Moon installer.  Thank you all for your help.  Kubuntu is a very fine OS with very good programs.
[11:21] <hateball> Qenxin: I *think* rekonq uses the system certs, where other browsers like firefox use their own
[11:21] <hateball> and pale moon seems to be based off of that
[11:25] <Qenxin> hateball:  Thank you very much for helping.  Hopefully parts of the site will be up and running soon enough.
[11:49] <Qenxin> hateball: http://kde-apps.org/ is still active and can manually install them from there.
[11:50] <Qenxin> them--> plasmoids
[11:53] <hateball> Qenxin: yes
[12:06] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:11] <BluesKaj> 'Morning genii , cooled off there yet ?
[14:12] <genii> A little
[14:12] <genii> Good thing my office is in the basement where it stays pretty constant
[14:12] <jimarvan> is it that hot?
[14:12] <BluesKaj> guess I should have done that in OT
[14:16] <BluesKaj> jimarvan, was 30C yesterday, 32 on Sunday
[14:41] <yossarianuk> well think yourself lucky you are not in the UK - its rained for weeks here...
[14:41] <chinmoy> hi all, is it possible to set an image as desktop wallpaper directly from the images' context menu in dolphin.
[14:49] <Smurphy> it rained also for weeks in france ...
[14:49] <jimarvan> chinmoy_: that is a good question :D haven't tried it ever
[14:50] <jimarvan> chinmoy_: I do not think so though. :)
[14:51] <jimarvan> yossarianuk: It is more like 1 day rain, 1 day sunshine :))
[14:52] <chinmoy> jimarvan: well sombody just said there might be a plugin for dolphin.are you aware of any such plugin??
[14:52] <jimarvan> plugin
[14:52] <jimarvan> nope
[14:53] <jimarvan> but tbh that is a very simple and awesome idea
[14:53] <jimarvan> would worth to look at it, put it on my to-do list :)
[14:54] <chinmoy> jimarvan: you mean "set as wallpaper" option.
[14:54] <jimarvan> ye
[14:54] <jimarvan> technically it is not hard to do it through terminal
[14:55] <jimarvan> so if you can add it on dolphin menu as a command should be possible, correct?
[14:55] <chinmoy> i think so
[14:56] <chinmoy> so how you do it through terminal?
[14:57] <jimarvan> http://askubuntu.com/questions/156713/change-desktop-background-from-terminal
[14:57] <jimarvan> oops
[14:57] <jimarvan> that is ubuntu :D
[14:57] <chinmoy> ya and gnome :p
[14:58] <jimarvan> ye ye :P
[14:58] <jimarvan> just google it, I am sure something can be found (sorry at work atm) ;)
[14:59] <chinmoy> ya i googled it but only found links to forum with problems in kde 4.x
[14:59] <jimarvan> hmm :/
[14:59] <jimarvan> I will have a look after work then ;)
[15:00] <chinmoy> sure do have a look :)
[19:59] <Guest5294> what are the system requirements for kubuntu?
[20:00] <BluesKaj> !specs |Guest72132
[20:02] <BluesKaj> instant gratification fails again :-)
[20:02] <genii> BluesKaj: That doc is pretty old too, 2010-ish
[20:03] <BluesKaj> really genii , thanks , good to know
[20:06] <genii> Guest72132: From personal experience, i can say that you want a processor better than a Pentium 4, at least 2G RAM, and at least 40G HD space ( preferably as much as you can get)
[20:07] <BluesKaj> genii, Guest72132 didn't ask the question, 5294 did and he left in less than a minute
[20:07] <genii> Tab fail :(
[20:07] <BluesKaj> yup
[20:09] <BluesKaj> think I'm gonna call it a day ...later genii , take care
[20:26] <spudisgood> test
[20:46] <bit0> hi, do someone speak sanish?
[20:47] <bit0> *spanish
[20:47] <Pici> !es
[20:51] <bit0> ok, I need codes for mp3, mp4. I do not know why dragon player don't play .mkv
[20:51] <bit0> I found this page. is it working? http://www.fiz-ix.com/2012/11/installing-media-codecs-for-mp3-wmv-wma-acc-mp4-m4a-dvd-quicktime-mov-and-flash-in-ubuntu/
[20:52] <bprompt> bit0:    for what kubuntu version again?
[20:53] <acheronuk> medibuntu repositories are gone AFAIK
[20:53] <bit0> lts
[20:53] <bprompt> bit0:    there are many lts, so  hmm which one?
[20:53] <bit0> 16.4
[20:54] <bprompt> bit0:    don't need anything then, mplayer is already installed by default, and it comes with codecs for pretty much everything, including mkv and mp4
[20:54] <bprompt> bit0:   what's the core issue you're having anyway?
[20:54] <bprompt> bit0:   you get sound but no video?
[20:54] <bit0> yes
[20:55] <bit0> I will try mplayer
[20:55] <bprompt> alrite... one sec, I assume youi're missing the phonon backend, is all
[20:55] <bprompt> bit0:    mplayer is installed by default, so, hold the mayo
[20:56] <acheronuk> smplayer and vlc work nicely here
[20:56] <bit0> cool, thanks
[20:56] <bprompt> well, smplayer is just an mplayer frontend, and vlc comes with its own codecs
[20:56] <acheronuk> I know dragonplayer used to have problems with some formats/codecs
[20:57] <acheronuk> well, I'm using smplayer with mpv, not mplayer, but that's another issue
[20:58] <bprompt> bit0:    try installing -> gstreamer0.10-x   <---    that should give kde a phonon backend for the kde apps to work with mplayer
[20:59] <bprompt> bit0:    sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-x   <--- if that helps
[21:08] <bit0> it popup something
[21:09] <bit0> see you ^_^
[22:38] <Doyle> How can I disable systemd-ask-password-wall.service?????
[22:39] <Khaotic> is there a way to get window tabbing back?
[22:39] <Doyle> systemctl disable & stop actions are being erverted
[23:01] <bprompt> Khaotic:    window tabbing?
[23:02] <Khaotic> it was in 15.10
[23:02] <Khaotic> 15.04*
[23:02] <bprompt> Khaotic:   what's "window tabbing"?
[23:02] <Khaotic> with the oxygen
[23:02] <Khaotic> tabs all windows of the same application
[23:02] <Khaotic> or you can tab any window with anything
[23:03] <bprompt> hmmm
[23:04] <Khaotic> i can use task switcher for now
[23:04] <Khaotic> just eliminates the needs to find stuff in the task manager
[23:14] <allenwjones> Hello
[23:15] <allenwjones> I have recently installed Kubuntu 16.04 with 3 monitors in portrait mode. The wallpaper is displaying in landscape, overlapping to the adjacent monitors. After multiple reboots, it may align one or more of those screens, but intermittently forgets and revers to portrait.
[23:16] <allenwjones> This is with an NVidia card, 1 VGA, 1 DVI, 1 HDMI
[23:17] <allenwjones> I have searched the forums, but perhaps I am not hitting on the correct keywords.. anyone here with experience in this area, or a better boolean ninja?


[09:52] <thorwil> mac_v: are you sure https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/HumanityIcons is the right place?
[09:52] <mac_v> thorwil: damn you are fast ;)
[09:52] <mac_v> yup
[09:52] <thorwil> mac_v: Breathe is only at the top level because of ... historical reasons
[09:52] <mac_v> thorwil: similar to breathe
[09:52] <thorwil> should actually be in Incoming
[09:53] <mac_v> thorwil: why is breathe allowed and not others? [just curious]
[09:53] <mac_v> thorwil: hmm , well this isnt just for Lucid or an incoming concept
[09:53] <thorwil> mac_v: it was put there before i cleaned up the wiki
[09:54] <thorwil> mac_v: it has been linked to several time and it has sub-pages
[09:54] <thorwil> mac_v: stuff not just for a single release does belong in Incoming
[09:55] <mac_v> thorwil: BTW , as this is the default icon theme it could be at the same level as breathe , and the more important reason is I want to get the panel icons more importance , and that page is more often viewed
[09:55] <mac_v> symbolic icons rather *
[09:57] <mac_v> thorwil: a lot of work[artwork/code/patch apps] needs to be done for the panel icons so it would be better if it was there
[09:57] <thorwil> mac_v: sure. and if anyone else has an icon theme to add, he will see 2 there already and put his right next to theme. goodbye wiki rules
[09:58] <mac_v> thorwil: if you are moving breathe to incoming too  , that would be good with me too  :) ... but until its a bit weird that the default icon theme does not get a place there ;)
[09:59] <thorwil> if someone else but you or Ken added that page, i would have moved it already
[10:00] <mac_v> thorwil: yeah , i mention to you ahead , but you were not online :)
[10:00] <thorwil> mac_v: i would really love to discuss that again with ckontros ;p
[10:00] <mac_v> i wanted to*
[10:00] <mac_v> thorwil: until then could we leave Humanity there too . PLS :)
[10:01] <thorwil> mac_v: i won't touch it. which doesn't mean i'm at all happy with it
[10:02] <mac_v> thorwil: cool. thanks...
[10:02]  * mac_v afraid of thorwil's wrath ;p
[10:18] <thorwil> mac_v: "Humanity is more than just art, it's design" makes me cringe. you simply shouldn't have to say something like this
[10:20] <thorwil> mac_v: "Humanity is about Usability"; would be much better to replace Usability with a less wide and often misunderstood term
[10:33] <mac_v> thorwil: hehe , i just copied that from the previous humanity page :)
[10:34] <mac_v> that page needs better intro/description
[10:47] <Equiet> Hi. I have done a mockup for my new theme. http://i49.tinypic.com/o0sadd.jpg What do you think?
[10:56] <Equiet> Nothing? Hm. :(
[11:22] <mac_v> Equiet: nice , looks interesting...
[11:25] <mac_v> Equiet: this channel is actually often quiet , users are logged in always but chat is rare ;)
[11:40] <Equiet> How can the theme get into a official release?
[11:58] <mac_v> Equiet: you can add the theme to > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid  , that doesnt necessarily get it into the official release though , if others like it , it would be considered in the community package
[11:59] <mac_v> Equiet: also drop a mail to the artwork mailing list that you have added a new theme
[12:11] <thorwil> hi ckontros! Breathe now has company in the form of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/HumanityIcons
[12:13] <mac_v> DanRabbit: can you improve the concept and the intro.. i just copied most of it from your previous wiki page
[12:14] <ckontros> thorwil: Yep
[12:33] <ckontros> Goodness. The. Wiki. Is. Slow.
[12:34] <thorwil> has it ever been fast?
[12:35] <ckontros> I know, I know. Just seems extra slow when I'm trying to quickly edit things.
[16:33] <DanRabbit> mac_v: no problem I won't have a lot of time today, but I'll work on it :D
[16:34] <mac_v> DanRabbit: hehe , ok... i started the symbolic icons guidelines and got side-tracked too ;)
[16:37] <DanRabbit> awesome
[17:05] <snubby> sup folks
[17:05]  * snubby tips hat
[18:00] <ckontros> snubby: Hello. FYI, the weekends can be pretty quiet in here. Most activity is during EU working hours.
[18:24] <Equiet> Well, is there any stuff you think I could help with?
[18:34] <ckontros> Equiet: If I knew your qualifications, I could better say. Though its best to look over the mailing list and see what projects are active. Makin' wallpapers is also an easy place to start.
[18:38] <Equiet> Ok, I'll try it, maybe I'll finally know how to make something other than gradient in Gimp. :)
[18:39] <Equiet> But, in general, I am webdesigner/webdeveloper and probably I have the feel for UIs.
[18:43] <mac_v> thorwil: do you want a google wave invite?
[18:44] <thorwil> mac_v: already have an account, but thanks! ;)
[18:44] <mac_v> thorwil: lol , ok... just thought you didnt , since you mentioned you saw how it works only from the site :)
[18:44] <mac_v> the article rather*
[18:45]  * mac_v just received invites today :)
[18:45] <mac_v> invitations*
[18:48]  * SiDi still didnt begin using his account.
[18:49]  * Equiet got an invitation, but it doesn't work in Opera.
[18:59] <Equiet> For wallpapers, you prefer more abstract submissions, right?
[20:01] <mac_v> Equiet: maybe you could do some mockups  , for this too > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter
[20:01] <mac_v> since you mentioned UI
[20:04] <Equiet> Wow, there is a lot to read. But thanks, I will try it. :)
[20:07] <Equiet> Btw, are the wallpapers for alpha releases already done?
[20:09] <mac_v> Equiet: kwwii  would know about that
[20:09] <mac_v> Equiet: BTW , you dont have to read the whole page , but just the green sections marked for artists and designers ;)


[03:57] <mikedevita> i have an upstart script which for some reason isnt sourcing env variables that i have defined in /home/root/.bashrc
[03:57] <mikedevita> env variables like passwords and such for a nodejs app
[18:24] <dsimon> hey all; is there a convenient way to keep instanced jobs persisted?
[18:24] <dsimon> e.g. suppose i have a job foo that has a line "instance $BAR"
[18:24] <dsimon> and i do "start foo BAR=a" and also "start foo BAR=b"
[18:25] <dsimon> 5 minutes later, my UPS fails for a bit and the system shuts down hard
[18:25] <dsimon> i'd like those specific instances to be restarted when the system comes back up
[18:32] <xnox> dsimon: have a job" task\n script\n start foo BAR=a; start foo BAR=b\n end script" with appropriate start-on conditions.
[18:33] <xnox> dsimon: that way on each boot those instances are started. (or otherwise arrange for events to happen to bring those jobs up)
[18:33] <xnox> dsimon: there is no persistence across reboots, apart from what's encoded in the job config files.
[18:33] <dsimon> xnox, yeah, i just saw that same suggestion from a stack overflow answer, makes sense to me :-)
[18:33] <xnox> dsimon: your other option however is for the instance job to write it's own config file out on disk ;-)
[18:33] <dsimon> oh geez, that makes my brain hurt just thinking about it
[18:34] <dsimon> "when i start, create a thing that starts me"
[18:34] <dsimon> hm... actually, now that i say that, though
[18:34] <dsimon> maybe that's not a terrible idea
[18:35] <xnox> dsimon: "echo '@reboot root initctl --system start BAR=$BAR' > /etc/cron.d/custom-foo-$INST"
[18:36] <xnox> dsimon: but make sure you clean up that same file as well, one the instance gracefully stops and no longer needed, e.g. in post-stop.
[18:36] <dsimon> hm, in cron?
[18:36] <dsimon> shouldn't i use upstart itself instead?
[18:36] <xnox> dsimon: that's another option. It's best to write out upstart job though.
[18:36] <xnox> dsimon: or write a template and parse / write it out.
[18:37] <dsimon> yah
[18:37] <dsimon> well, maybe my best bet is to just have a manager
[18:37] <xnox> dsimon: because that way you get the "start on" conditions right =)
[18:37] <dsimon> my situation is: i have daemons that implement web services which are available on particular ports during particular scheduled date ranges
[18:38] <dsimon> so maybe i should just implement a thing that checks the running services list vs. the list of services that should be running given the current date, and starts/stops instances as necessary
[18:39] <dsimon> and have cron run it once a minute
[18:42] <dsimon> xnox, does that seem like a good idea to you?
[18:50] <xnox> dsimon: yes.
[18:51] <xnox> dsimon: i'm a freak so I would have used nagios for this encode the policy when the service must be up, and give nagios agents to execute start/stop commands to bring them up/down.
[18:51] <xnox> dsimon: cause it has recovery options, such that when the time is right nagios start them.
[18:52] <dsimon> hm, that could work
[18:52] <xnox> dsimon: there is a long term plan to implement temporal events, such that one would can do "start on midnight" "stop on 1am"
[18:52] <xnox> or somesuch, but there is no working implementation yet.
[18:53] <dsimon> ah, i see
[18:55] <dsimon> ok, cool; xnox, thanks for your help :-)
[18:57] <xnox> no problem =)
[20:43] <dsimon> hm
[20:43] <dsimon> i just ran into a weird issue
[20:44] <dsimon> i had a misconfigured upstart config for nginx
[20:44] <dsimon> so it was starting stuff up badly
[20:44] <dsimon> i corrected it...
[20:44] <dsimon> but things still did not work :-(
[20:44] <dsimon> both "start" and "stop" would hang, regardless of the expect stanza setting
[20:45] <dsimon> ... oh, wait
[20:45] <dsimon> wait wait
[20:45] <dsimon> i bet it was the pid file
[20:47] <dsimon> well, possibly
[20:48] <dsimon> at any rate; after restarting the machine, everything seemed to be behaving correctly
[20:48] <dsimon> so that makes me happy and sad :-|
[20:48] <dsimon> happy because it works, but sad because i am not sure what happened, or how to prevent it from happening again
[20:49] <dsimon> the reason i mention pid files is because "status" would falsely report an old pid for nginx, even if it was stopped
[20:51] <dsimon> okay, now it's happening again; i was starting and stopping nginx just fine, but when i tried "restart", it hung
[20:52] <dsimon> and now, start and stop also hang, and start fails to actually start any processes
[20:52] <dsimon> what could be causing this?
[22:03] <xnox> dsimon: please read the cookbook on "establishing the pid count" and the states it could force your job into.
[22:04] <xnox> dsimon: at the moment, if the expect stanza is wrong, one can get into a "deadlock" you described about (job stuck, cannot reset state)
[22:04] <xnox> dsimon: this is in-progress being fixed (merge proposal under review into trunk)
[22:05] <JanC> well, you can "reset" it with some tricks  ;)
[22:28] <xnox> JanC: yes, yes you can. I've heard of them........ but in no way, i'll suggest that for anyone to do =)))))
[22:30] <JanC> well, they are fine to solve temporary issues
[22:30] <JanC> certainly beats rebooting between tries to get a job right  :p
[22:32] <xnox> true =)
[22:32] <xnox> JanC: anyway it's getting fixed properly =)
[22:32] <JanC> that would be nice
[22:33] <JanC> xnox: any ETA?
[22:34] <xnox> JanC: as I said there is a merge proposal under review for trunk.
[22:34] <xnox> JanC: it should make it into Trusty (14.04 LTS)
[22:35] <JanC> that's more or less what I meant  :)
[22:35] <JanC> a merge proposal is not merged yet, and trunk is not released yet
[22:36] <JanC> (and I haven't followed the ML in ages)
[22:40] <xnox> JanC: i've been misquoted on ETAs in the past =))))) i'm trying to be careful.
[22:41] <JanC> well, the E in ETA is for "estimated", so I don't take them as a promise  :)
[22:42] <xnox> ack =)
[22:42] <xnox> I still have nightmares from time to time, from the times when i was in "consulting"
[22:42] <JanC> ugh
[22:43] <xnox> i'm in a happy place now =)
[22:43] <JanC> I get nightmares from consultants  ;)
[22:43] <JanC> but there are some exceptions, of course
[22:44] <xnox> haha =)
[22:45] <JanC> I've seen some very competent ones, and many, many who know less than an average helpdesk person with a high school diploma  :-/
[22:50] <JanC> (and when I say helpdesk, I mean a real helpdesk, not a bunch of people answering phones with the goal to end calls within less than 1 min 32 sec on average--and one sec less next month, to improve productivity)


[00:00] <MrChrisDruif> Yup
[00:02] <Nevada_> They are thinking it's 3am in Berlin
[00:16] <Nevada_> Gotta love Linux
[00:18] <MrChrisDruif> Well it's 1.18 in Berlin afaik
[00:19] <MrChrisDruif> Nevada_: Was that including daylight-saving time?
[00:21] <Nevada_> it's one hour off any way
[00:21] <Nevada_> now it's time for my touchpad to stop working
[00:22] <Nevada_> I don't get it- something is just wrong.
[00:27] <maryslb> I installed Ubuntu on a HP notebook (new) along with Windows 7.  I cannot change anything or add programs when it asks for authorization.   It just greys out.  I also cannot hook up to wireless.  I have tried all the things I find on-line to do, but cannot add the ndisgtk program (reason earlier) cannot find the .inf program.  I am so frustrated.  Ready to uninstall, but cannot figure out how.
[00:28] <MrChrisDruif> maryslb: Uninstall Ubuntu?
[00:28] <maryslb> Remove from hard drive
[00:30] <MrChrisDruif> maryslb: http://www.lukeaddison.com/removing-linux-grub-restoring-windows-7-boot-gui/
[00:33] <maryslb> thank you.  If that works, would I be able to re-install with a different version?  I do like Ubuntu.  Have it on this computer.
[00:34] <MrChrisDruif> maryslb: It should work, and re-install ubuntu? That you can do without the previous link
[00:34] <MrChrisDruif> Just install if over the current installation
[00:35] <maryslb> How?  I tried it with a back-up disk (used on this desktop) and nothing happened.  that would be my first option.
[00:36] <MrChrisDruif> maryslb: What do you try to re-install? Ubuntu or Windows? (It's pretty late where I am)
[00:37] <maryslb> Ubuntu.  :-)
[00:37] <maryslb> If I can get the ubuntu to work properly, I will get rid of Windows.
[00:38] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, great :)
[00:39] <MrChrisDruif> Back-up disk? I'm not sure what you mean by that, but you can boot the liveCD and install it. Make sure it boots from the CD and not you HDD
[00:41] <maryslb> I'll try some things.  I think I know what you are talking about, but I tried to get it to boot from a download of the netbook on a usb drive, and it wouldn't do that.
[00:42] <maryslb> The back up disk is the downloaded program copied to cd.
[00:42] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, USB. With what did you make that bootable USB? Is your system capable of booting from USB?
[00:44] <maryslb> Good question.  Since it's brand new, it should.  I changed the boot sequence (or tied) to boot the usb first.  It flashed and carried on, but the old ubuntu opened.
[00:44] <maryslb> I made it by downloading the netbook program from ubuntu.com
[00:44] <MrChrisDruif> You've installed Ubuntu with that same USB?
[00:46] <maryslb> No.  I originally simply downloaded Ubuntu to this (desktop).    Trashed that windows.  With the new laptop, I tried to download with windows.  Now I can't get the wireless to work.
[00:47] <MrChrisDruif> maryslb: What timezone are you?
[00:47] <maryslb> I created the usb by downloading to the desktop - copy to usb.
[00:47] <maryslb> Arizona
[00:47] <MrChrisDruif> So you downloaded the iso and just copied it to the usb?
[00:48] <maryslb> yes
[00:48] <MrChrisDruif> There should be a few with more compatible timezones be online...I wonder why they're not responding :P
[00:48] <MrChrisDruif> Anyways....
[00:48] <MrChrisDruif> When you just copy the ISO to your USB, it won't work
[00:48] <maryslb> Thanks anyway.  Maybe someone else will help.
[00:49] <maryslb> I was following the ubuntu instructions for doing so.
[00:50] <MrChrisDruif> On what system is the ISO downloaded/available?
[00:51] <MrChrisDruif> It doesn't really matter, you need to do step 2 from this page: http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
[00:51] <MrChrisDruif> And select the system your creating your bootable USB from
[00:51] <maryslb> I did each of those steps.
[00:52] <maryslb> I know it's late where you are.  I will try some things and ask again if I can't get this working.  Thanks for your help.
[00:52] <MrChrisDruif> Hmm...then it should be good. Could you test it on another system? See if it boots from it?
[00:53] <maryslb> I'll try that too.  Have family matters to attend to.  Thanks again.
[00:53] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, I hope to see you around maryslb :) Take care :)
[01:27] <kristian-aalborg> would anyone know if the "wifi woes" of 10.4 can be fixed with a sudo do-release-upgrade?
[01:32] <Nevada_> speaking about sudo... what's this? I've got an instruction here which tells me to "type the following: sudo vi /lib/udev/rules.d/etcetc..." how do I do that?
[01:35] <kristian-aalborg> Nevada_: it means you should edit the file /lib/udev/blabla
[01:35] <kristian-aalborg> I'd suggest you replace the "vi" with "nano" as it's easier
[01:36] <Nevada_> I still haven't figured out how to access such files. "Files&Folders" just show me my music, my documents etc
[01:43] <kristian-aalborg> you need to open a terminal
[01:45] <Nevada_> thanks, I've got it. I'm helpless as shit, spoiled by windows
[01:45] <kevin6888296> kristian-aalborg: i've never used "do-release-upgrade", but assuming it upgrades to the next release (in this case, 10.10), then it may fix it if the problem has been fixed in 10.10
[01:45] <kevin6888296> Nevada_: no you're not, what kind of talk is that
[01:46] <Nevada_> it's the way I feel
[01:46] <kristian-aalborg> Nevada_: we've all been there... I found linux so much more user friendly than Win these days
[01:47] <kristian-aalborg> I hope you'll grow to like it
[01:48] <Nevada_> I already do, that's why I decided to use it instead of windows the first place
[01:48] <kevin6888296> hmmmm, the way you feel
[01:48]  * kevin6888296 ponders
[01:49] <kevin6888296> that is a challenging problem :P
[01:49]  * kevin6888296 gives Nevada_ the stone of shame
[01:49] <kevin6888296> just wear that, and then we'll give you the stone of triumph later
[01:49] <kevin6888296> :D
[01:50] <Nevada_> thank you so much
[01:51] <Nevada_> thanks to the stone of shame, I'm able to ask a few more newby questions
[01:51] <Nevada_> so how do I save .. this terminal I opened
[01:52] <kevin6888296> i don't know what you mean by save Nevada_
[01:52] <kevin6888296> i don't think i've ever saved a terminal
[01:52] <kevin6888296> gnome-terminal i think is the binary file, so the terminal should be saved
[01:52] <Nevada_> then this must be a relict of windows. I already noticed that I don't have to apply changes
[01:52] <Nevada_> to anything
[01:53] <kevin6888296> perhaps it's a text file you have open
[01:53]  * kevin6888296 dons the stone of shame
[01:53] <kevin6888296> what is "relict"?
[01:53] <Nevada_> an ancient mindset of mine
[01:54] <kevin6888296> coooooool
[01:54] <kevin6888296> ancientness
[01:54] <kevin6888296> well, considering bug #1...
[01:55] <kevin6888296> you may be on to something
[01:55] <Nevada_> I'm on to what?
[02:01] <Nevada_> ah, in case you didn't notice, english is not my native language ^^"
[02:01] <kevin6888296> that ubuntu is a "relict" of windows, Nevada_
[02:03] <kevin6888296> or at least, attempting to be...except, it's open source
[02:03] <kevin6888296> perhaps when it becomes open source, windows will releases its code
[02:03] <kevin6888296> what is your native language Nevada_ ?
[02:04] <kevin6888296> i think mine is Intention
[02:04] <Nevada_> it's german
[02:05] <kevin6888296> coooool
[02:06] <Nevada_> depending
[02:07] <kevin6888296> i don't know many german words at all.  just "guten tag, bitte, and dumcoff"
[02:07] <kevin6888296> i think i'm spelling that last one wrong
[02:07] <Nevada_> Dummkopf
[02:07] <kevin6888296> oh and "mein kampf"
[02:08] <kevin6888296> haha, the irony of not being able to spell "stupid"
[02:08] <Nevada_> *g*
[02:08] <Nevada_> interesting to see how non-german speakers would spell it
[02:14] <Nevada_> I already like the terminal
[02:16] <geirha> Bier, bitte. That's the most important german words.
[02:16] <Nevada_> hehe true
[02:18] <kevin6888296> i think Schmerz Frieden are the two most important german words
[02:19] <kevin6888296> huh
[02:20] <Nevada_> why Schmerz?
[02:21] <kevin6888296> i'm not sure if that's the right word for "pain"
[02:22] <kevin6888296> pain is the greatest problem affecting sentience
[02:23] <Nevada_> yes, Schmerz is pain
[02:24] <Nevada_> interesting :)
[02:26] <Nevada_> okay! I got screen brightness and volume working now
[02:28] <kevin6888296> whoa, what'd you do Nevada_ ?
[02:29] <Nevada_> I followed a few instructions for Samsung N145 Netbook
[02:30] <kevin6888296> sweet
[02:30] <Nevada_> yes, indeed
[02:31]  * kevin6888296 gives Nevada_ the stone of triumph
[02:32] <Nevada_> basically I just need a browser and an advanced text editor. May I uninstall other pre-installed programs "provided by Ubuntu"?
[02:32] <Nevada_> Thank you :) *now proud*
[02:37] <kevin6888296> you can try Nevada_
[02:39] <Nevada_> Well, I'll do that anyway
[02:58] <Nevada_> How to keep the applications window open after opening an application?
[02:59] <kevin6888296> don't close it Nevada_ ?
[02:59] <Nevada_> it's disappearing by itself and I have to reopen it
[03:00] <kevin6888296> run the program from a terminal Nevada_
[03:00] <kevin6888296> then watch what it say in the terminal, might find a clue
[03:00]  * kevin6888296 puts the "detective hat" on Nevada_
[03:01] <Nevada_> uff... it's not worth that. Then I'll just leave it
[03:07] <gunndawg> hey guys I bought a USB KVM switch so that I can use the same keyboard and mouse for both my desktop computer and my ubuntu laptop
[03:08] <gunndawg> but when I siwtch it to my laptop then ubuntu takes my primary desktop monitor and acts as a 2nd monitor
[03:08] <gunndawg> so my laptop still shows the regular workspace/desktop and on my primary monitor its just a blank workspace
[03:16] <kevin6888296> hey gunndawg how's it going?
[03:18] <Nevada_> thank you kevin6888296 for your assistance. I'm going to keep the stone of triumph and the detective hat
[03:18] <kevin6888296> i guess...not so good under the circumstances
[03:18] <kevin6888296> Nevada_: coooool
[03:18] <kevin6888296> it makes me wonder what color the detective hat is...i guess beige or brown or some such
[03:19] <Nevada_> I imagine the same color
[03:19] <kevin6888296> ^5
[03:21] <Nevada_> goodbye
[03:53] <dfrybarger> i'm having problem with a printer that was installed and working but just stopped working today
[03:55] <kevin6888296> i've had trouble with printers before, i had to tinker with the buttons on the face of the printer
[03:56] <kevin6888296> i think it was a canon
[04:01] <dfrybarger> i'm looking for help with a printer
[04:03] <dfrybarger> it was working fine but stopped working today
[04:29] <ray_> >	I need help, hard drives both have bad sectors, I just read somewhere to do badblocks then fsck, I remember doing one or both of these before on another hard drive but I have never understood how to do this properly
[04:29] <ray_> >	What commands in what order should I do them from a live cd?, How can I have that put into a log or something to know what sectors to mark as bad?, etc?
[04:30] <kevin6888296> to run it's in the form: fsck /dev/sdb1
[04:30] <kevin6888296> not sure about logging ray_ , it may log somewhere in /var/log
[04:33] <ray_> Like I said, I read somewhere to run badblocks first, but I didn't say that that person also said because fsck will just cause problems for a failing hard drive, then he said to run fsck
[04:33] <ray_> I have 2 screen shots I am going to paste
[04:34] <kevin6888296> checking out the badblocks man page ray_
[04:34] <ray_> http://imagebin.org/147421
[04:34] <ray_> http://imagebin.org/147422
[04:34] <ray_> I will as well
[04:36] <ray_> Wait
[04:36] <ray_> I forgot to mention
[04:37] <ray_> It's in the second picture I posted
[04:37] <kevin6888296> it looks like sudo badblocks /dev/sd**
[04:37] <kevin6888296> hmmm, i have my own problem
[04:37] <ray_> right, I need to figure out what the device name is when I do this
[04:38] <kevin6888296> my browser is set to firefox for some reason
[04:38] <kevin6888296> are you employed ray_ ?
[04:38] <ray_> no
[04:38] <kevin6888296> you can do ls /dev/sd*
[04:38] <kevin6888296> to get a list of them
[04:38] <ray_> You need help setting Ubuntu to open a different browser?
[04:39] <kevin6888296> i dunno, i may need security help
[04:39] <ray_> I got a question I have always wondered regarding what you just said
[04:39] <kevin6888296> nah, just forgot what i did, which creeps me out
[04:39] <ray_> Does the device name change?
[04:39] <kevin6888296> your hdd?
[04:40] <kevin6888296> they have never changed on me
[04:40] <ray_> Like for instance, if I put a hard drive as master then change it to another hard drive, might they have the same name?
[04:41] <ray_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/591971/
[04:41] <kevin6888296> i'm not entirely sure.  i only have one hdd
[04:42] <ray_> That's what guis for this are great for
[04:42] <ray_> I will look
[04:43] <kevin6888296> ray_: this may help http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3158/hard-drive-device-partition-naming-convention-in-linux
[04:43] <ray_> currently I have /dev/sda mounted as the hard drive I am un
[04:44] <kevin6888296> yeah, so try sudo badblocks /dev/sda , but i think you may have to specify partitions
[04:44] <ray_> I put this info on a flash drive
[04:44] <kevin6888296> like /dev/sda1 etc.
[04:44] <kevin6888296> which info?
[04:44] <ray_> Any
[04:44] <ray_> info
[04:45]  * kevin6888296 wanders off
[04:45] <ray_> Alright, looking at Disk Utility and what you said maks sense
[04:46] <ray_> sory for being slow
[04:46] <ray_> OK, I got a question
[04:48] <kevin6888296> they came from...behind
[04:48] <ray_> Isn't there a way to quicken badblocks so that it reads a piece so many blocks away from each other so it doesn't take so long to pin point a bad blocks?, Why does it have to go through every block?
[04:49] <ray_> I am not sure if I put that in words that make sense from what I am trying to say
[04:49] <kevin6888296> you mean, you know where the badblock is?
[04:49] <kevin6888296> and what to tell badblocks where it is?
[04:49] <ray_> No
[04:49] <kevin6888296> *want
[04:49] <ray_> what I mean is
[04:49] <kevin6888296> in other words (iow)
[04:50] <ray_> I will reword it better
[04:50] <ray_> I don't know what iow is though
[04:51] <kevin6888296> well, if it's possible to make it go faster, i don't know how to do it
[04:51] <kevin6888296> perhaps it's in the man page
[04:51] <kevin6888296> what's the hurry though?
[04:51] <ray_> istead of going through every block, having it instead look at a bit out of every block or something like that
[04:51] <kevin6888296> just run it, and go do something else
[04:51] <kevin6888296> i think your question is beyond my knowledge, sorry
[04:52] <ray_> I remember this taking forever, I mean what it would have taken months at the pace Iit was going
[04:52] <kevin6888296> i've never run badblocks
[04:52] <kevin6888296> fsck seems to do the trick
[04:52] <kevin6888296> well, the time i did run it the hdd was beat
[04:52] <ray_> in fact with my other hard drive I never finished and gave up
[04:52] <kevin6888296> it was dropped
[04:53] <kevin6888296> and fsck?
[04:53] <ray_> I mean a long time ago
[04:53] <ray_> I don't know
[04:53] <ray_> I think I had tried doing both of them
[04:53] <ray_> It says in the pic I posted
[04:53] <ray_> 31 bad blocks
[04:54] <ray_> so it should already know where it is, wouldn't you think?
[04:54] <ray_> I meant sectors
[04:54] <ray_> sorry
[04:55] <kevin6888296> ohhhh, interesting analysis
[04:55] <ray_> 31 bad sectors
[04:55] <kevin6888296> very exciting
[04:55] <ray_> lol, I am not sure how I might deal with this
[04:55] <kevin6888296> but, i don't know, that would only be if fsck could check a previous run, and only check new blocks or something
[04:55] <kevin6888296> but, really, you're interested in fixing the hdd, right?
[04:56] <ray_> I need the right person, thank you for the help
[04:56] <kevin6888296> may the source be with you ray_
[04:56] <ray_> lol, may the source be with you as well
[04:57] <ray_> I am going to make notes
[04:59] <ray_> Hmm, I should try transfering a text file that
[04:59] <ray_> iI have previously made
[04:59] <ray_> and already transfered by the way
[04:59] <kevin6888296> that's a good idea, let me get my notebook
[05:00] <ray_> I mean before
[05:00] <kevin6888296> *drawing book
[05:01] <kevin6888296> drawing|note|book
[05:01] <kevin6888296> hmmm i think i'd rather have an ibook than an ipad
[05:02] <ray_> OK, I tried transfering files to and from both hard drive without and trouble, so it is troubled spots on the hard drive
[05:03] <ray_> The good thing is I already a backup of the files I was trying to transfer
[05:04] <ray_> I made note of the command you gave me and modified it to the device name
[05:04] <ray_> now I should study man badblocks
[05:04] <ray_> and fsck as well of coarse
[05:06] <ray_> I also put the link in the text file on my flash drive and I am reading that now
[05:07] <kevin6888296> oh, i see, backing up because your hdd are failing
[05:07] <kevin6888296> how old are the drives ray_ ?
[05:07] <ray_> It's all my fault
[05:07] <ray_> I was transfering files for too long
[05:07] <ray_> and it made the reading and writing part of the hard drive get messed up
[05:08] <kevin6888296> you worked them to failure?
[05:08] <ray_> more then a few months
[05:08] <ray_> yep
[05:08] <kevin6888296> that's extreme
[05:08] <kevin6888296> how'd you do it?
[05:08] <ray_> ha ha ha ha
[05:08] <ray_> ya
[05:09] <ray_> I need to go through all the files I have and start deleting
[05:09] <ray_> It's hard to decide
[05:09] <ray_> anyways
[05:10] <ray_> In that link it says:
[05:11] <ray_> oops
[05:11] <ray_> "/home is on /dev/sda2"
[05:13] <ray_> I think I these commands right though
[05:13] <ray_> "sudo badblocks /dev/sda1" and "sudo badblocks /dev/sdb1", unless of coarse these commands need options added
[05:14] <ray_> I will be reading man
[05:15] <ray_> Ah, see:
[05:16] <ray_>  Important  note:  If  the output of badblocks is going to be fed to the        e2fsck or mke2fs programs
[05:16] <ray_> it  is  strongly recommended that users not run badblocks directly, but        rather use the -c option of the e2fsck and mke2fs programs.
[05:20] <ray_> "note, don't use the -f option of badblocks unless the /etc/mtab file is incorrect"
[05:22] <ray_> Blocks aren't the same as sectors, right?
[05:25] <ray_> "OK, there is the -0 option" which Writes the list of bad blocks to  the  specified  file
[05:56] <kevin6888296> i'm pretty sure blocks aren't sectors...i think blocks are made up of sectors
[05:56] <ray_> OK, thank you for the info
[05:57] <kevin6888296> hmmm, looks like running badblocks is a bad idea
[05:57] <kevin6888296> i should've guessed that
[05:58] <ray_> OK
[05:59] <kevin6888296> i read the man page, but didn't catch that detail
[05:59] <ray_> Knowing what to do is hard to decide, there are live cds made to do this kind of thing I would guess then there are at least 4 programs mentioned so far
[06:00] <ray_> fsck, badblocks, and the 2 other mentioned on the manpage of badblocks
[06:02] <ray_> I think my head may explode, I am thinking of getting hard drives again and being more careful
[06:02] <ray_> OK, so I have a different question then
[06:05] <ray_> If I transfer a large file is there a way to make it transfer slower so it doesn't hurt my hard drives?, Or is it better to transfer that large file quicker?, Or rather what precautions should one take to transfer large files?, Like for instance how much info shouldn't someone transfer at any given day?
[06:06] <ray_> I meant within a certain amount of time for each day and so on
[06:06] <ray_> I know, I know, cut down how much info I have first
[06:07] <kevin6888296> i think you're questions are beyond beginner ray_
[06:08] <kevin6888296> i do find it intriguing
[06:08] <ray_> It's just like a beginner like me to ask too many questions, though I have been using Ubuntu for a couple of years
[06:08] <kevin6888296> perhaps we should take this to your LoCo
[06:09] <ray_> LoCo?
[06:09] <ray_> O
[06:09] <ray_> Local community
[06:09] <kevin6888296> ubuntu user group
[06:09] <kevin6888296> local team
[06:10] <ray_> I know where to find them
[06:10] <ray_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[06:10] <kevin6888296> i would have used http://loco.ubuntu.com
[06:10] <kevin6888296> but, yeah, that might work
[06:11] <kevin6888296> or #ubuntu-us ray_
[06:12] <ray_> checking
[07:15] <kevin6888296> i'm wondering if #ubuntu-beginners shouldn't be the default channel for support o_o
[07:35] <ray_> I'd say we need more supoort channels to be able to use for the people working together not to get in the way of other people working on another problem sometimes
[07:37] <kevin6888296> yeah, that's true ray_
[07:38] <ray_> ubuntu1, ubuntu2, ubuntu3
[07:38] <ray_> I will be back
[07:39] <ray_> I need to get on a live cd
[07:39] <ray_> thank you, fsck FTW I hope anyways
[07:39] <kevin6888296> i dunno about that, there should be triaging done up front
[07:39] <kevin6888296> that's how it work usually
[07:39] <kevin6888296> yeah, good luck
[07:39] <kevin6888296> may the source be with you
[07:39] <ray_> uh, triaging?
[07:40] <kevin6888296> yeah...triaging questions to proper channels of specialization
[07:40] <kevin6888296> but really, no foo for the unemployed
[07:40] <kevin6888296> this sounds like work to me
[07:40] <kevin6888296> blah to that
[07:42] <ray_> OK, I think I get it, ty for the help, sorry for the trouble, I know you just helped me out
[07:42] <kevin6888296> nah man
[07:42] <kevin6888296> i didn't do anything
[07:42] <kevin6888296> we were just chillin
[07:43] <ray_> I never thought to look up what Disk Utility maybe, also you did help because you told me what to use for options
[07:43] <ray_> God speed, and my the source and force be with you good friend
[07:45] <ray_> Alright although I will be back, I may not see you here later, so until next time, also I may be able to get back on here while using fsck but do what you want
[07:45] <ray_> bye
[07:47] <ray_> aha
[07:47] <ray_> I just looked in home
[07:47] <ray_> go look in home
[07:49] <ray_> "'/home/ray/gnome-disk-utility-2.30.1/doc/gnome-disk-utility-docs.xml'"
[07:49] <ray_> change username
[07:50] <ray_> oops
[07:50] <ray_> well there are docs in home
[07:51] <kevin6888296> yeah, that's where you downloaded the source i bet
[07:51] <ray_> yep
[07:51] <ray_> well, what ever
[07:52] <ray_> It's there to look at for fun for now I guess
[07:52] <kevin6888296> yeah, if you're into it
[07:52] <kevin6888296> i already looked couldn't find anything
[07:52] <kevin6888296> even asked in #gnome
[07:52] <kevin6888296> but, yeah fsck
[07:53] <ray_> I agree
[07:53] <kevin6888296> if it works, thank theordore t'so
[07:54] <ray_> Do you drag programs into the terminal to see how to open them in the terminal?
[07:54] <kevin6888296> no, haven't done that since i used window
[07:54] <kevin6888296> sssssssssssssssssss
[07:54] <ray_> I once opened Disk Usage Analyzer to find it is baobab which is a kind of African tree
[07:55] <kevin6888296> funky
[07:55] <kevin6888296> boa bab
[07:55] <kevin6888296> bow bab
[07:55] <kevin6888296> hmmm bab
[07:55] <ray_> Anyways, I will be back
[07:55] <ray_> he he, ya
[07:55] <kevin6888296> language
[07:55] <kevin6888296> going to bed dude, later
[07:56] <ray_> Wait
[07:56] <ray_> ha ha, I thought Ubuntu was pronounced You-bun-tu, but it is oo-boon-too
[07:57] <ray_> that all, sweet dreams
[07:57] <ray_> that's all folks
[07:57] <ray_> thank you
[07:57] <ray_> this is going to take a long time
[07:57] <kevin6888296> knight
[07:57] <ray_> This hard drive is 300 gb
[07:57] <ray_> how long do you thing with half a gb of ram
[07:58] <ray_> I can ask else where, ty, good night
[07:58] <ray_> knight, love it
[07:58] <ray_> dream of large women, lol, the princess bride
[07:59] <ray_> o/ atter lay
[07:59] <ray_> oct toon, oct toon
[07:59] <ray_> he he he he
[08:00] <bioterror> what
[08:00] <ray_> "O\"
[08:00] <ray_> I was just joking
[08:00] <ray_> Fake German
[08:02] <ray_> take care Lennie master
[08:02] <ray_> bye
[08:21] <r4y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/592025/
[08:27] <r4y> I thought the live cd of Ubuntu had fsck on it, am I wrong?
[08:27] <r4y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/592027/
[09:32] <r4y> I tried this command before but nothing happened I guess: http://paste.ubuntu.com/592025/
[09:32] <r4y> oops wrong channel
[10:47] <Nevada_> good morning
[10:48] <MrChrisDruif> Hai Nevada_
[10:48] <Nevada_> it's me again
[10:48] <MrChrisDruif> I see :P
[10:49] <Nevada_> I'm about to manually install a certain program and keep on wondering which directory I should choose best, to keep my computer tidy
[10:50] <MrChrisDruif> Manually insert a program?
[10:51] <Nevada_> by using a terminal
[10:55] <Nevada_> the program asks me where I would like to install. isn't there something like a "programs" folder?
[10:57] <MrChrisDruif> What kind of program is it?
[10:59] <Nevada_> It's called ELAN, I have to use it for work
[11:00] <MrChrisDruif> Never heard of it, but apparently you install "user" programs in /usr, but I'm not sure
[11:03] <Nevada_> I just don't want to have a mess afterwards :(
[11:04] <MrChrisDruif> That's what I've read, that user programs are installed in the /usr mount
[11:06] <Nevada_> An error pops up which says I don't have permission to install to usr
[11:07] <bobo123> hi
[11:07] <Nevada_> installing to home/myname/programs now
[11:09] <bobo123> if I want to mount a copy of a partition, where I have copied the whole disk to a file, and not just the partition - is that possible?
[11:10] <MrChrisDruif> Nevada_: And sudo install?
[11:11] <Nevada_> I don't know? I think it's alright now
[11:11] <MrChrisDruif> Alright
[16:06] <nctarheel> hello everyone. last night RedSingularity was helping me with a netowkr problem last night. I followed a guide to install the compat wireless drives now i have no wireless to chose from in the standard network manager. I also do not have it in ifconfig.
[16:06] <nctarheel> where do i go from here?
[16:07] <nctarheel> you can read our conversation on the ubuntu forums. my name there is nctarheel704
[16:07]  * holstein looking
[17:00] <head_victim> I've never used it but when you install a PPA using the software centre where does it put the source file? I'm trying to help someoen but it's not showing up the in sources.list where I'd expect it
[17:01] <holstein> head_victim: odd
[17:01] <holstein> thats what i would have expected
[17:01] <head_victim> holstein: so it's meant to put them there?
[17:02] <head_victim> I've only ever used nano to adjust my repositories :/
[17:02] <holstein> well, thats just an assumption
[17:02] <holstein> head_victim: are you sure its adding the repos?
[17:02] <head_victim> No idea, this user isn't exactly sure of much
[17:02] <head_victim> Trying to install the latest vlc and meeting dependency errors on lucid.
[17:02] <holstein> :/
[17:03] <holstein> head_victim: maybe you can just give them the sudo apt-add-repository line
[17:03] <head_victim> Well they've somehow broken it all apparenlty but I can't see anything at all but the default stuff in the sources.list
[17:03] <head_victim> It's the sort of person you just want ssh to find out what they've really done.
[17:03] <holstein> yeah
[17:04] <holstein> maybe stopping a big update mid-stream too
[17:04] <head_victim> holstein: anything is posisble.
[17:04] <holstein> good luck
[17:05] <Bipul`> hi i have problem in my ubuntu10.10 when i started my ub ubuntu i am inside  command prompt that is initramfs idk how to Access graphical mode
[17:06] <holstein> Bipul`: is this after an update?
[17:06] <holstein> can you see if you have older kernels listed
[17:06] <holstein> and try booting in using one of those
[17:07] <Bipul`> sory i dont get you
[17:07] <holstein> Bipul`: what im assuiming is
[17:07] <holstein> you did a system upgrade
[17:07] <holstein> and got a new kernel
[17:08] <holstein> and you can try booting an older one
[17:08] <holstein> if you get to the desktop
[17:08] <Bipul`> so how shud i know which one is new one
[17:08] <holstein> then we know something
[17:08] <holstein> Bipul`: while the machine is booting
[17:08] <holstein> you should be able to hit the shift key
[17:09] <holstein> the kernels should be in order
[17:09] <holstein> and they will be #'d
[17:09] <holstein> just arrow down with the keyboard
[17:09] <holstein> and try the next one in line
[17:09] <holstein> this doesnt change anything permanently
[17:11] <head_victim> holstein: apparently it stores them in a different location by design, just FYI
[17:11] <holstein> head_victim: odd
[17:11] <holstein> where?
[17:11] <holstein> thats so... buntu ;)
[17:11] <head_victim> Supposedly just under /etc
[17:11] <head_victim> ?
[17:11] <Bipul`> ok i have linux 2.6.35-28-generic then next Linux 2.6.35-28-generic (recovery mode)/ again same name with 27/25/24/23
[17:12] <holstein> head_victim: to have an alternate sources store
[17:12] <head_victim> holstein: yeah just trying to figure out if it's really under /etc or now
[17:12] <head_victim> not*
[17:12] <holstein> one of those fiddly buntu things that i'll have to remember :)
[17:12] <holstein> Bipul`: those are the sam
[17:12] <holstein> e
[17:13] <holstein> you see (recovery mode)
[17:13] <holstein> we are not using those right now
[17:13] <Bipul`> yes
[17:13] <holstein> you want to try maybe 2.6.25-27-generic
[17:13] <holstein> you'll see they are in pairs
[17:13] <holstein> with a recovery mode per kernel
[17:13] <holstein> we can try that next
[17:13] <holstein> but for now
[17:13] <Bipul`> i yea
[17:14] <holstein> just try the older kernel
[17:14] <Bipul`> yea it is in pair
[17:14] <holstein> that used to work for you
[17:16] <Bipul`> nops
[17:16] <Bipul`> same command prompt
[17:16] <holstein> Bipul`: just to be sure
[17:16] <holstein> since you are there
[17:16] <holstein> try again
[17:16] <holstein> using the oldest kernel
[17:16] <holstein> then we can try something else
[17:17] <Bipul`> i have try every kernel but i got the same result
[17:17] <holstein> Bipul`: OK
[17:17] <holstein> if i were you
[17:18] <holstein> i would go ahead and try updating
[17:18] <holstein> that cant really hurt any worse
[17:18] <Bipul`> Linux 2.6.35-22-generic
[17:18] <Bipul`> is the oldest i think
[17:18] <Bipul`> Linux 2.6.35-28-generic is the new i think
[17:18] <holstein> right
[17:19] <holstein> i think its safe to say that the kernel update is not the issue
[17:19] <holstein> like i was postulating
[17:19] <holstein> SO
[17:19] <holstein> i would try upgrading if you can
[17:19] <holstein> from that prompt
[17:19] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[17:19] <holstein> sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:19] <Bipul`> sudo apt-get update this one
[17:19] <holstein> and let all that happen
[17:19] <holstein> and reboot and check again
[17:20] <holstein> then we can talk about going through a recovery prompt
[17:20] <holstein> if that doesnt work
[17:20] <Bipul`> well when i boot it i just go inside initramfs mode
[17:21] <Bipul`> wher i cant use this command sudo apt-get update it says /bin/sh:sudo:not found
[17:21] <holstein> Bipul`: can you control+alt+F1 ?
[17:21] <holstein> or F2
[17:22] <holstein> anything like that get you a promt?
[17:22] <holstein> prompt*
[17:22] <head_victim> holstein: again just FYI http://paste.ubuntu.com/592212/ different file for each ppa
[17:22] <holstein> how odd...
[17:23] <Bipul`> nops
[17:23] <Bipul`> not working
[17:23] <head_victim> holstein: all new to me to :/
[17:24] <holstein> Bipul`: well, i would try a couple things
[17:24] <Bipul`> whT Is initramfs?
[17:24] <holstein> i would get some kind of diagnostic CD
[17:24] <holstein> and maybe test a few normal components
[17:24] <holstein> hardware*
[17:24] <holstein> like memory and hard drive
[17:24] <holstein> maybe try the recovery console first
[17:25] <holstein> http://www.proposedsolution.com/solutions/ubuntu-booting-to-initramfs-prompt/
[17:25] <holstein> ^ yeah, that link seems to be proposing a file system error
[18:52] <Bipul`> just help me
[18:52] <holstein> Bipul`: you got X ?
[18:52] <Bipul`> i cant able to reinstall my ubuntu
[18:52] <holstein> did you run fdisk?
[18:52] <holstein> Bipul`: i was going to say
[18:53] <holstein> if you are having filesystem errors
[18:53] <holstein> maybe the hard drive is failing
[18:53] <holstein> if you are doing what i think you are doing
[18:53] <holstein> which is a combination of freaking out, and cussing
[18:53] <holstein> then, i would try and test it a bit
[18:53] <Bipul`> i have file a bug also
[18:53] <holstein> Bipul`: a bug?
[18:54] <holstein> you might have a failing hard drive
[18:54] <Bipul`> yes check on Bipul wiki contains on launchpad
[18:55] <Bipul`> holstein: tell me buddy what to do now
[18:55] <holstein> i use http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[18:55] <holstein> there are some vendor tools on there
[18:55] <holstein> and other ways to test hard drives
[18:55] <holstein> i would test the hard drive if i were you
[18:56] <Bipul`> well right now i AM on my laptop
[18:56] <Bipul`> and problem is with my desktop
[18:57] <Bipul`> whear my ubuntu having some issue
[18:57] <Bipul`> even now i cant able to install any OS
[18:57] <Bipul`> i have try Backtraack but it is not responding
[18:57] <Bipul`> even ubuntu10.10
[18:59] <holstein> right
[19:00] <holstein> that would be the behavior i would expect from a failing hard drive
[19:00] <holstein> the intraramfs error as well
[19:00] <Bipul`> YOU MEAN MY HARD DRIVE is courpted
[19:01] <holstein> well, corrupted implies that it can be repaired
[19:01] <holstein> im suggesting its worse
[19:01] <holstein> but, i really dont know for sure
[19:01] <holstein> you have to test it
[19:01] <Bipul`> so how to check
[19:01] <Bipul`> you knoq
[19:01] <Bipul`> know some way
[19:01] <holstein> well, i usually use that cd
[19:01] <holstein> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[19:02] <holstein> there are nice vendor specific tools on it
[19:02] <holstein> but, theres a tool in the ubuntu live CD's too
[19:02] <Bipul`> what is the name i can able to run ubuntu via live cd
[19:03] <holstein> system - administraion - disk utility
[19:04] <MK`> I am getting constant error messages every few seconds: "intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: MCP power or thermal limit exceeded." Yet my power and temperature are fine. What is this?
[19:05] <holstein> MK`: is this new?
[19:05] <holstein> or did it just start happening?
[19:05] <holstein> is this after an update
[19:05] <holstein> ?
[19:05] <holstein> fresh install?
[19:05] <holstein> 10.10?
[19:06] <MK`> No it's been doing it since I installed. 10.10
[19:06] <MK`> They come exactly every 5 seconds, logged in /var/log/syslog
[19:06] <coz_> MK`,  desktop?
[19:06] <MK`> laptop
[19:07] <holstein> MK`: if you havent updated
[19:07] <holstein> i would try that
[19:07] <coz_> MK`,  did you once have another distribution or version ofubuntu installed
[19:07] <holstein> just incase a fix has come in
[19:07] <MK`> No, brand new, and I update regularly
[19:08] <coz_> MK`,   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:08] <MK`> I know there's no temp problem because it isn't hot and my fan doesn't even spin up
[19:09] <Bipul`> it says file system is not clean
[19:09] <coz_> ?
[19:09] <MK`> coz_: ok, I ran that, it's all updated
[19:09] <holstein> Bipul`: right, i would try that fdisk like that link i posted suggested
[19:09] <coz_> MK`,   mm   ok back up ,, this is a new system ...yes?
[19:10] <holstein> *before trying to reinstall
[19:10] <coz_> MK`, rather hardware
[19:10] <Bipul`> whear to type fdisk>
[19:10] <holstein> Bipul`: but, there should be a disk test in the tool?
[19:10] <Bipul`> in terminal
[19:10] <MK`> Yes. New laptop, had win7 installed, I installed ubuntu on it, 10.10
[19:10] <MK`> It's been working with no other issues
[19:10] <holstein> the test you need to run takes about an hour Bipul`
[19:10] <coz_> MK`,  ok,, and you downloded the live cd  ,, minimal cd..or alternate cd ?
[19:10] <MK`> LiveCD
[19:11] <coz_> MK`,  and did you check the md5sum before burning it and then check the cd for errors in grub menu after burning it at 1x
[19:11] <coz_> MK`,  did you run the live session?
[19:12] <MK`> I did not :( I ran it from the live session and installed it in there, yes
[19:12] <MK`> Hm. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/636045
[19:12] <MK`> It seems this is common
[19:12] <coz_> MK`,  ok couple things to be sure of when using an iso of an OS... always check the md5sums of th e.iso image by opening a terminal ,,,  md5sum nameof.iso and compare it with the ubuntu hashes for that version
[19:13] <MK`> ok
[19:13] <coz_> MK`,   second is to always , if possible ,, burn the iso image at 1x  no more
[19:13] <MK`> I thought you were supposed to burn it at the speed it says on the disk
[19:13] <coz_> MK`,  always 1x if possible
[19:14] <MK`> Ok
[19:14] <coz_> MK`,  the way sort of around this is to use the minimal install cd  which downloads the system from the internet and the cd itself is about 25megs
[19:15] <coz_> MK`,  I am reading throught that bug report
[19:15] <Bipul`> but i am able to use via live cd this shows my hard disk is ok
[19:15] <MK`> I'm running 2.6.35-28-generic
[19:15] <MK`> the kernel
[19:15] <holstein> Bipul`: the hour long smart test?
[19:16] <holstein> theres a long self test
[19:16] <holstein> for the disk
[19:16] <holstein> if the disk is passing that
[19:16] <Bipul`> i think i dont hVE  patence
[19:16] <holstein> Bipul`: you need that information
[19:16] <coz_> MK`,  there is a fix to silent that error on that but report
[19:16] <holstein> otherwise
[19:17] <holstein> you will waste time trying to install to a dying disk
[19:17] <holstein> or worse
[19:17] <holstein> get ubuntu reinstalled
[19:17] <holstein> use it for a week or so
[19:17] <holstein> and it breaks again
[19:17] <holstein> hard drives go bad
[19:17] <holstein> all of them will eventually
[19:18] <MK`> coz_: to update to the latest upstream kernel?
[19:20] <coz_> MK`,   no  just to silent the error.. someone also mentioned a bios setting  that worked
[19:21] <MK`> well I don't want to silence the error incase it becomes an accurate one. I think I will just wait for Natty
[19:21] <coz_> sorry ,, I have to break here,,, be back a bit later
[19:50] <kristian-aalborg> which fs to use for a hdd that's ten years old or so?
[19:55] <MK`> any bad sectors kristian-aalborg?
[21:24] <gatorade> How do you flsh the bios from ubuntu 10.10 on a msi netbook?
[21:25] <gatorade> I have this annoying thing where my screen keeps flashing
[21:25] <gatorade> and they say to update the bios.
[21:26] <gatorade> flash, I meant.
[21:30] <gatorade> hello?
[21:30] <gatorade> hejsan?
[21:30] <gatorade> hola?
[21:34] <Daniel0108> gatorade: I don't think it's possible to flash your bios on ubuntu, flashing your bios is dangerous, you could destroy your whole computer.
[21:34] <Daniel0108> gatorade: I'd install the additional drivers first ;)
[22:09] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: doesnt really matter the age
[22:09] <holstein> id use ext4
[22:09] <holstein> until btrfs gets more ready
[22:10] <kristian-aalborg> hi holstein
[22:10] <holstein> if you have a newer solid state
[22:10] <holstein> thats when you might *not* want ext4
[22:10] <kristian-aalborg> I went with the suggested ext3
[22:10] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: o/ :)
[22:10] <holstein> yeah, ext-whatever
[22:10] <holstein> you'll be fine with that


[12:02] <mdke> but the docs are built and you can see them previewed on our server at http://doc.ubuntu.com
[12:07] <segfault> i know, i was just playing around with the docs after translated
[12:09] <mdke> --> bed
[02:25] <Madpilot> hi robitaille
[02:25] <robitaille> hello Madpilot
[02:25] <Madpilot> who's in charge of the actual Ubuntu.com website?
[02:26] <Madpilot> it was just mentioned over on #ubuntu that the Download page puts Breezy first, and Hoary right off the bottom of the screen
[02:26] <Madpilot> (even on a 1280x1024 screen like mine...) which is not very cool.
[02:26] <Madpilot> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/
[02:28] <_tshah> Lol, most people will probably end up downloading the "preview" by mistake
[02:29] <Madpilot> exactly
[02:33] <_tshah> On that note, http://www.kubuntu.org/ has some issues too
[02:33] <_tshah> First of all, the "Download" link is at the bottom
[02:33] <Madpilot> what do you expect from a bunch of KDE users? :)
[02:34] <_tshah> Second of all, the "Install CD" and the "Live CD" are the same link
[02:35] <Madpilot> _tshah: that's because they're all on the same mirrors together
[02:35] <_tshah> Yeah, so why give the user two links?
[02:36] <Madpilot> to point out that they're different things, I guess
[02:36] <_tshah> Yeah, but then the user has to "decide" again after they click on it
[02:36] <Madpilot> true
[02:37] <Madpilot> re-organizing the servers & mirrors is going to be a post-Breezy thing, though...
[02:39] <_tshah> based on this: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/   I don't know if there will be any large re-structuing
[02:39] <Madpilot> yeah
[02:40] <Madpilot> I have no idea if there is a server/mirror re-org planned - I rather doubt it - but there is the LiveCD vs InstallCD thing you've noticed
[02:40] <Riddell> _tshah: if you want to play around with the layout of kubuntu.org that would be great, been on my TODO list for ages
[02:47] <_tshah> ok, gg; see ya
[02:51] <robitaille> Madpilot,  in the past I have filled bug reports against the web site in the bugzilla
[02:53] <robitaille> Henrik Nilsen Omma was involved for a while with the web site...not sure if that's still the case
[02:53] <Madpilot> robitaille: OK, thanks
[04:26] <jsgotangco> hey all
[04:26] <Madpilot> hi
[04:27] <jsgotangco> hey Burgundavia
[04:28] <Burgundavia> salut jsgotangco
[04:30] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia
[04:30] <Burgundavia> salut Madpilot
[04:30] <Madpilot> all ready for your VLUG talk on Tuesday evening?
[04:31] <Burgundavia> nope
[04:31] <Burgundavia> need to write my talk tonight
[04:32] <Madpilot> !
[04:32] <Burgundavia> I already know what I am going to talk about, just need to write it down
[04:32] <Madpilot> doing Powerpointy stuff to?
[04:32] <Burgundavia> ya
[04:33] <Madpilot> so you're swearing about Impress all over again, I bet...
[04:33] <jsgotangco> Impress 2.0 is actually good
[04:33] <Burgundavia> indeec
[04:33] <Burgundavia> d
[04:33] <jsgotangco> the problem is that it still cannot handle transparencies well
[04:34] <jsgotangco> but that is an evince issue
[04:34] <Burgundavia> well, looks like I have tomorrow night as well
[04:34] <Burgundavia> as gaming just got cancelled
[04:38] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, have you seen the draft release notes
[04:38] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, haven't had time to look at them
[05:22] <jsgotangco> ah yes
[05:23] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, ?
[05:26] <jsgotangco> you've been busy
[05:27] <Burgundavia> work is eating a huge amount of my time
[05:27] <Burgundavia> but I have three days off later this week
[05:28] <Burgundavia> I hate to delay the quicktour until then, but I don't see any other optin
[05:30] <jsgotangco> im gonna make sure these release notes get done by this week
[05:31] <Burgundavia> cool
[08:01] <jeffsch> jsgotangco: ping
[08:02] <Burgundavia> salut jeffsch
[08:02] <Burgundavia> jeffsch, you going to UBZ?
[08:02] <jsgotangco> jeffsch, hi
[08:02] <jeffsch> Burgundavia: nope. no time. no money.
[08:02] <jeffsch> :(
[08:03] <Burgundavia> ah
[08:03] <jsgotangco> jeffsch, pong?
[08:03] <jeffsch> jsgotangco: i didn't get a chance to look at the makefile for edubuntu
[08:03] <jeffsch> actually, that's not exactly true...
[08:03] <jsgotangco> jeffsch, no worries i'm trying to hack up something similar to our giant makefile
[08:04] <jeffsch> I looked into it, but decided that with the upcoming switch to baz, and the probable pruning of our repos, that it would be a waste of time right now
[08:05] <jsgotangco> hmm yelp doesn't do footnotes
[08:05] <jsgotangco> grrr
[08:07] <Burgundavia> mdke, ping
[08:08] <jeffsch> Burgundavia: are you the only one from docteam going to ubz?
[08:08] <Burgundavia> jeffsch, currently yes
[08:08] <jeffsch> did you get sponsored because you are on docteam, or because you are on laptop testing?
[08:10] <Burgundavia> everything I have done, docteam, laptop, bugstuff, etc.
[08:11] <Burgundavia> and I live close to the location
[08:12] <jeffsch> if you call "on the other side of the country" close :)
[08:12] <Burgundavia> hey, closer than just about everybody else on the docteam
[08:13] <Madpilot> close by the standards of, say, jsgotangco or all you Australians & Kiwis... ;)
[08:13] <jeffsch> london-montreal is prolly the same travel time as victoria-montreal
[08:13] <jeffsch> i'm in vancouver
[08:13] <Madpilot> probably
[08:14] <Madpilot> ah, OK, cool. we should organize a Left-Coast-Ubuntu-Meet at some point...
[08:16] <jsgotangco> for some reason beagle in preview doesn't work
[08:16] <jeffsch> i installed breezy the other day
[08:17] <jeffsch> everything is nice, except the fonts are weird
[08:17] <jdub> Madpilot: and pitch for a BBB Tour visit!
[08:17] <jeffsch> and open office help doesn't work
[08:17] <Burgundavia> jdub, would you fly into Victoria?
[08:19] <robitaille> the planes are small, but fly quite often between Victoria-Vancouver and Victoria-Seattle
[08:19] <jsgotangco> jeffsch, strange mine works fine
[08:19] <robitaille> jsgotangco,  beagle?  I was going to try to install it later tonight on my laptop.
[08:20] <jsgotangco> robitaille, it must be because i missedsomething
[08:20] <jsgotangco> let me check
[08:20] <jsgotangco> it used to work in previous builds
[08:21] <robitaille> do you get any error?
[08:21] <jsgotangco> nope let me run best in a terminal
[08:21] <jsgotangco> wonder if beagle still require mono-assemblies-base
[08:26] <jsgotangco> hmmm it still doesn'r run
[08:26] <jsgotangco> it seems my beagled is looping something
[08:27] <Burgundavia> jdub, does the BBB tour need ubuntu members?
[08:27] <robitaille> jsgotangco,  is this something like this?  https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2176
[08:28] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:28] <jsgotangco> exactly
[08:29] <jsgotangco> let me check if i need to update
[08:30] <robitaille> jsgotangco,  I have updated to 0.13, and now I get: "Unhandled Exception: System.DllNotFoundException: glib-2.0"
[08:31] <jsgotangco> gahhh this thing used to work
[08:31] <jsgotangco> now it doesnt even have the notification icon of best
[08:33] <robitaille> I do have the icon, but beagled doesn't run which makes it pretty useless
[09:24] <jsgotangco> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/
[09:24] <jsgotangco> some local sfd pics
[09:25] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, yours photos are copyrighted. Going to free them?
[09:25] <jsgotangco> hmm
[09:25] <jsgotangco> i didnt notice
[09:26] <jsgotangco> i just upload stuff
[09:29] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, ping
[09:30] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: pong?
[09:30] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, can you send me your /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu
[09:30] <Madpilot> huh?
[09:30] <Burgundavia> I need a hoary version
[09:30] <Burgundavia> that is a file
[09:30] <Madpilot> I know, just a sec, digging for it
[09:31] <Madpilot> cool, it's actually an XML file of some sort...
[09:32] <Burgundavia> is the freedesktop standard
[09:32] <Madpilot> yeah, saw the DTD
[09:33] <Madpilot> coming via gmail now
[09:33] <Madpilot> gone
[09:33] <Madpilot> what do you want a Hoary menu config for?
[09:34] <Burgundavia> playing with menus, but it turns out the issue is deeper than that
[09:35] <Madpilot> thought you weren't running Hoary on either machine?
[09:38] <Burgundavia> I wiped hoary when I reinstalled Breezy preview
[09:38] <jsgotangco> yeah i loved the moment i did that as well
[09:38] <Madpilot> thought so. so why do you need a Hoary menu file?
[09:38] <Burgundavia> basically I wanted to add a seperator between the last submenu and add programs
[09:38] <Burgundavia> turns out that is not in the .menu file
[09:38] <Burgundavia> it is a code change
[09:39] <Madpilot> a seperator like Hoary has between the apps & the Run Apps entry?
[09:39] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:40] <Madpilot> seperators are treated differently by Gnome? too bad...
[09:40] <Burgundavia> no, it is there is no support in the spec for it
[09:49] <jsgotangco> http://doc.ubuntu.com/gnome/about-ubuntu/C/
[09:49] <jsgotangco> what the heck is this
[09:49] <jsgotangco> it has <subtitle> visible
[10:06] <jsgotangco> guys
[10:06] <Burgundavia> yes'
[10:06] <Burgundavia> no idea
[10:06] <jsgotangco> is the po file already given out
[10:07] <jsgotangco> mdke nested it inside <title>
[10:07] <jsgotangco> that's the problem
[10:07] <jsgotangco> now the problem is that if the pot files are already out
[10:07] <jsgotangco> we have a borked document
[10:08] <jsgotangco> and there are still some typos
[10:08] <jsgotangco> oh well
[10:08] <jsgotangco> i'm going to fix this
[10:16] <Burgundavia> night all
[10:49] <jsgotangco> mdke, alive?
[10:50] <Madpilot> damn, I just realized that commenting stuff out in the wiki still leaves gaps in the regular text...
[10:50] <Madpilot> stuff doesn't just vanish entirely like with HTML comments...
[10:50] <jsgotangco> oh it still eats up white space
[10:51] <Madpilot> yup
[10:51] <Madpilot> commenting out a line between two existing lines will leave a line of white space behind :(
[10:53] <Madpilot> DuncanLithgow has done a nice re-org of parts of UserDocumentation
[10:54] <jsgotangco> ive noticed that with the wiki reports
[10:54] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:55] <jsgotangco> he did some stuff over the weekend
[10:55] <Madpilot> a lot of stuff, actually
[11:36] <mdke> jsgotangco, here?
[11:37] <jsgotangco> mdke, hi did the pots got sent already?
[11:38] <mdke> yes
[11:38] <jsgotangco> oh well
[11:38] <mdke> jsgotangco, where did you fix those things? in trunk?
[11:38] <jsgotangco> yes
[11:38] <mdke> gah
[11:39] <jsgotangco> oops?
[11:39] <mdke> jsgotangco, the gnu/linux was fixed in the breezy branch already
[11:39] <mdke> can you do the other fix in the branch please?
[11:39] <jsgotangco> the branch is where we work now?
[11:39] <mdke> jsgotangco, it is where to do post-freeze fixes yes
[11:40] <jsgotangco> you'll still have unfixed tags from the pots
[11:40] <mdke> eh?
[11:40] <jsgotangco> although that is just a minor edit
 is supposed to be after <title>
[11:41] <mdke> can you fix it in the branch please?
[11:41] <jsgotangco> sure
[11:41] <jsgotangco> but like i said
[11:41] <jsgotangco> you'll still be fixing pots after
[11:41] <jsgotangco> (cant do anything about it anymore)
[11:42] <mdke> i don't have a problem with making a new pot
[11:42] <mdke> just this once ;)
[11:42] <jsgotangco> i thought you sent it already?
[11:43] <jsgotangco> where is your branch?
[11:43] <mdke> it is in branches/breezy
[11:46] <mdke> there are some emails about it on the mailing list
[11:47] <rob^> hi mdke
[11:47] <mdke> hi rob^
[11:48] <jsgotangco> its ok i got it now
[11:48] <rob^> are we waiting now for translations to be done before the package is released
[11:48] <jsgotangco> yes
[11:48] <rob^> ah, thought so
[11:48] <jsgotangco> just some cleanup
[11:49] <jsgotangco> hmm i thought the branch was small
[11:49] <jsgotangco> it seems jbailey added everything?
[11:49] <mdke> jsgotangco, yes, i think he will remove some things later
[11:50] <rob^> all 200mb?
[11:50] <jsgotangco> nice
[11:50] <rob^> ok, bye again, got to get ready for work tomorrow (and get some sleep)
[11:51] <jsgotangco> night
[11:51] <jsgotangco> its so dark here already
[11:51] <rob^> night jsgotangco, mdke
[11:51] <mdke> good night
[11:58] <jsgotangco> kde upstream?
[11:58] <jsgotangco> gahh
[11:59] <jsgotangco> no wonder our svn is so big
[12:19] <mdke> is that duncan chap on irc?
[12:20] <jsgotangco> no idea he's been doing a lot of editing...
[12:21] <mdke> yeah
[12:22] <mdke> jsgotangco, did you do the fix yet?
[12:22] <jsgotangco> dude im still downloading the branch
[12:22] <jsgotangco> im bandwidth challenged :)
[12:23] <mdke> ah
[12:23] <mdke> i'll do it
[12:24] <jsgotangco> thanks
[12:25] <mdke> done
[12:28] <jsgotangco> is the duncan dude adding crack?
[12:31] <mdke> not sure
[12:32] <mdke> he makes quite major changes without commenting them though
[12:36] <mdke> i'm off for a while
[12:36] <jsgotangco> man he seems to be updating 3 pages at the same time
[03:58] <segfault> so, lets translate!
[06:26] <poningru> anyone around?
[06:26] <poningru> suggestion for quick tour
[06:26] <segfault> about-ubuntu.xml:43(title)
[06:26] <segfault> Partipate in Ubuntu
[06:26] <poningru> under Great Software and under software update
[06:26] <segfault> shouldn't it be "Participate"?
[06:27] <poningru> err Automatic Update
[06:27] <poningru> Ubuntu will display, review and install them easily, ensuring all your software is up to date and secure.
[06:28] <poningru> in the current version there is no 'all'
[06:28] <poningru> Ubuntu will display, review and install them easily, ensuring your software is up to date and secure.
[07:02] <mdke> segfault, we have fixed that bug
[07:02] <mdke> poningru, better speak to Burgundavia and/or mail a patch to the list
[07:18] <poningru> mdke: k
[07:33] <segfault> mdke: nice.
[07:34] <jjesse> just to refresh my memory i should be making changes to kubuntu docs in branches/breezy? or in trunk?
[08:58] <talat> hi all
[08:58] <talat> i want to help edubuntu documention
[08:58] <talat> how can i start ?
[09:00] <segfault> the changes made in rosetta are automatically synced with docteam's svn?
[09:00] <mdke> segfault, no
[09:12] <mdke> talat, on the wiki, UserDocumentation page. Feel free to email our mailing list, or the edubuntu mailing list too
[09:16] <talat> ok bthnx
[09:27] <mdke> jjesse, branches/breezy i think
[09:28] <mdke> i don't know how froud wants to play the kubuntu thing
[09:33] <segfault> when talking about microsoft products, shouldn't it include that trademark (tm) stuff?
[09:37] <mdke> no idea
[09:37] <jjesse> froud hasn't done any doc work in awhilethat i know of
[09:38] <jjesse> so i'll just go after branches/breezy and since i'm the only one writing kubuntu docs now :(
[09:40] <mdke> well froud set up the packaging...
[09:40] <mdke> i'm sure he'll respond if you mail him
[09:47] <jjesse> ok i'll take care of it when i get home
[09:48] <jjesse> if i want to make changes to a doc that should ship in breezy i should do it in the branch then, sorry for asking stupid questions but tyring to learn and do things correctly
[09:49] <mdke> in theory yeah
[10:49] <WaterSevenUb> hhhm.... why isn't the quicktour in launchpad? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/ubuntu-docs/+translations
[10:49] <WaterSevenUb> does anyone know?
[10:50] <Madpilot> It just hasn't been added yet, is my guess...
[10:52] <WaterSevenUb> madpilot, strange... the announcemente was only directed towards about ubuntu and faqguide and quicktour wasn't mentioned.
[10:52] <Madpilot> QT isn't finished
[10:53] <Madpilot> all the screenshots for it have to wait until one of the other freeze dates - but I think the text is done now
[10:57] <WaterSevenUb> mapilot, aaah, ok :)
[10:58] <Madpilot> Burgundavia is the one doing QT - I'm not sure which freeze date he's waiting for before doing the screenshots
[11:23] <Madpilot> does anyone know if "DuncanLithgow" has ever appeared on IRC? he's making some very large changes to UserDocumentation, and frankly breaking some things...
[11:25] <ajmitch> quite a number of changes, too
[11:27] <ajmitch> ah, looks like he's from NZ? I thought I might have recognised the name from a LUG list or similar
[11:28] <Madpilot> he makes no comments in the actual comments box, but does comment inside the text using ##
[11:29] <Madpilot> and he seems to be removing stuff from UserDocs, then not creating the new pages that will supposedly hold the removed content
[11:30] <Madpilot> all the external links that were at the bottom of UserDocs seem to have vanished, for instance
[11:31] <ajmitch> so he missed out the 'team' part of documentationteam when reading
[11:32] <mpt> Madpilot: He introduced himself on the mailing list yesterday
[11:32] <Madpilot> mpt: I noticed that, and the replies he got, too
[11:45] <mdke> Madpilot, feel free to post to the list on this topic, afaik he hasn't been on irc yet
[11:46] <Madpilot> mdke: I will later today, I think. Right now I'm digging thru UserDocs history to recover the external links that were deleted
[11:49] <Madpilot> "## == Other Resources == has been merged with UbuntuSupport"
[11:49] <Madpilot> except that UbuntuSupport doesn't exist
[11:50] <Madpilot> I'm moving Other Resources back into UserDocs now, from the history


[16:14] <GunnarHj> The "Timeout error" problem when searching among translations is worse than ever. Bug #736005. Please take a look.
[16:20] <cjwatson> Yeah, I wonder why that suddenly got worse
[16:21] <cjwatson> Maybe I regressed it by accident as part of some tech-debt fixes, hmm
[16:25] <GunnarHj> cjwatson: Good if you figure it out. Needless to say I have no clue.
[16:28] <cjwatson> Poking at the offending query with EXPLAIN at the moment
[16:32] <cjwatson> Good lord I'm not sure I've ever seen cost estimates that large before
[16:32] <cjwatson> Limit  (cost=142338680428.46..142338938780.76 rows=11 width=99)
[16:32] <cjwatson> (I got bored of waiting for EXPLAIN (ANALYZE, BUFFERS), so those are probably not very accurate)
[16:37] <cjwatson> Found a relevant difference in old vs. new queries, possibly
[16:42] <cjwatson> Huh.  Storm miscompiling a query?
[16:45] <cjwatson> More intriguing than I'd expected
[17:21] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/395934
[17:21] <cjwatson> GunnarHj: ^
[17:21] <cjwatson> (I don't expect you to review that, just FYI)
[17:23] <GunnarHj> cjwatson: Thanks, at least it sounds promising. :)
[17:40] <GunnarHj> cjwatson: Saw that you merged it, but no difference so far. Is there more into it before it gets effective?
[17:44] <tomwardill> GunnarHj: it'll need a deployment of launchpad
[17:47] <cjwatson> ^ that
[17:47] <cjwatson> Likely tomorrow
[17:57] <GunnarHj> cjwatson: I see. Thanks for the quick action!


[05:52] <kcj> THEY TOOK ELKY
[05:53] <kcj> I put that in the wrong channel. :<
[18:30] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:36] <olly> morning
[19:55] <mwhudson> morning
[20:12] <mwhudson> bah
[20:12] <mwhudson> i appear to have lost the ability to disable my trackpad
[21:22] <ibeardslee> bigger hammer?
[21:25] <mwhudson> i guess i could take the case off and find some cables to snip
[22:17] <hads> The T440s is interesting, it has no seperate buttons so if you disable the trackpad you lose the ability to click :)
[22:17] <hads> I've been trying to leave it on but it's not going so well. I might have to investigate xorg.conf options.
[22:20] <olly> the "disable trackpad while typing" helps a bit
[22:20] <olly> +option
[22:22] <ibeardslee> olly: I don't find that very sucessfull with my Ultralap
[22:22] <olly> it's certainly not a silver bullet