[03:17] <mapps> timeto start 12 monkeys :)
[04:05] <mapps> hm
[04:05] <mapps> i got 2 pis..diff locations..same exact ones, same sd card, wireless adapter etc - one of them is slow as hell when i run say sudo apt-get install x..anyone have any idea why?
[04:29] <m0nkey_> running on battery?
[04:30] <mapps> Both on mains
[04:30] <mapps> iots reallly slow when doing apt-get besides that seems fine..and not the downloading but reading package list 1%..2 etc
[05:02] <mapps> hm
[08:03] <Guest53371> mornig all
[08:04] <MooDoo> sigh
[08:43] <selinuxium> Hello o/
[08:45] <MooDoo> howdy
[08:58] <sebsebseb> hi
[08:59] <popey> hello
[08:59] <sebsebseb> popey: about a week to go ;d
[08:59] <popey> indeed!
[09:00] <sebsebseb> first two interesting other things though for me ;)
[09:22] <Laney> ha
[09:22] <Laney>  We promised to tell you if anyone launches a new tariff that could save
[09:22] <Laney>    you more than £1 a week
[09:22] <Laney> thanks EDF!
[09:22] <selinuxium> Week til what?
[09:22] <Laney> what?
[09:24] <Laney> but one of the tarriffs they list is with First Utility who currently are nicking some of my money, so ...
[09:35] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Answer Your Cat’s Questions Day! :-D
[09:37]  * DJones Wonders if the cat really wants to know why I'm holding a kebab stick
[09:40]  * awilkins wonders where his cat is and why he didn't know he had one
[09:55] <davmor2> JamesTait: Charlie Says Meow Meow, Mew Mew Meow Meow
[09:55] <sebsebseb> oh I joined here earlier
[09:55] <sebsebseb> ,but put noting in here about Wndows 10 hmm
[09:56] <sebsebseb> two other channels though yes
[09:56] <sebsebseb> anyway seems Desktop Linux will get some real compettion from it
[09:56] <sebsebseb> and most users wil get it for free when upgraing from Windows 7 or 8 to it seems.
[09:56] <sebsebseb> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/01/windows-10-microsoft-plan-to-win-users-back
[09:57] <bashrc> ugh. it's closed source. How can anyone trust that?
[09:57] <sebsebseb> bashrc: so is Apple or most of it, but yet the amount of users
[09:58] <bashrc> code that you can't see is code that you can't trust
[09:58] <sebsebseb> indeed, but most computer users don't really know about that
[09:58] <davmor2> sebsebseb: no it won't Desktop linux has never been competition for windows in reality,  Chrome OS on the other hand is the closest thing that Microsoft have to real competition and that again is pretty closed too
[09:58] <sebsebseb> well  and Android
[09:58] <sebsebseb> then
[09:58] <sebsebseb> that's competion to
[09:59] <sebsebseb> davmor2: well  Desktop Linux was meant to replace Unix, it's just for  lots of people or usauly it can replace using WIndows to yeah
[09:59] <sebsebseb> if that's what you meant
[09:59] <popey> that doesn't mean they see it as competition
[09:59] <davmor2> sebsebseb: no microsoft is trying to be competition to android on devices, MS already lost that battle and is playing catch up
[09:59] <popey> in fact I had a marketing VP of Microsoft tell me "We have no competition"
[09:59] <sebsebseb> popey: I think there was some old  thing from a few years back,  where  on Microsoft's competition list or well potential threats competion list, they actaully put Canonical as well
[10:00] <bashrc> "convenient and powerful", but probably bugged
[10:00] <sebsebseb> popey: yeah  Apple aim at a diffenrwdt market really, so even that, isn't really porper compeition to them
[10:00] <davmor2> sebsebseb: no I mean that when you own 90% of the desktop market the other 10% split between your competition they are not really competition
[10:00] <bashrc> "universal" meaning the apps only run on Windows
[10:00] <popey> it's less that they have no competition, more they are somewhat arrogant to think they have no competition
[10:00] <sebsebseb> davmor2: espeically with Apple yeah, and what's that like
[10:01] <sebsebseb> davmor2: aiming for  those who want to pay premium prices
[10:01] <sebsebseb> instead of pretty much anyone
[10:01] <sebsebseb> and those who think the Apple design and look is so  something, but that's another hting
[10:03] <sebsebseb> anyway  Windows 10 wil move most of the computer using world forward,  because like it or not, that's what most computer users are going to use on lap tops and destkops  that are being used at the time, or well probably
[10:03] <bashrc> or backwards
[10:03] <popey> heh
[10:03] <sebsebseb> or backwards maybe yeah, depending on how it's looked at
[10:03] <popey> sebsebseb: its still not open source / free software :)
[10:03] <bashrc> more centralised, closed crap
[10:04] <sebsebseb> popey: maybe 30 years time they open source Windows :d
[10:04] <sebsebseb> when  it's  not realy used anymoe heh
[10:04] <sebsebseb> they did that with a version of DOS actually
[10:04] <popey> not really
[10:04] <popey> they made it available for a museum
[10:04] <popey> they didn't "open source" it
[10:04] <bashrc> "harmony in your household"
[10:04] <sebsebseb> oh, well I don't remember quite hten, but I think I may have read that it got open sourced,  but as I said I don't remember uqite
[10:05] <bashrc> "co-engineering project"?
[10:05] <bashrc> at the end of the advert I think they're trying to coopt some of the language of open source
[10:05] <sebsebseb> in fact maybe in 30 years time,  ReactOS wil be ready to replace WIndows being used by most people or not,  shame really about the such slow development of ReactOS since lack of developers, I mean imagine that if it was more developed much more developed
[10:06] <popey> yes, people thought "ooh, source code" and thought it meant "open source"
[10:06] <popey> given how many thousands of developers microsoft has, reactos will _always_ be playing catch up
[10:06] <popey> and some way behind
[10:06] <popey> MS had some thousand or so people working on one device for example.
[10:14] <bashrc> that MS had a thousand developers on a device shows how inefficient they must be. It must be quite hard to coordinate a team of that size
[10:14] <popey> oh I dunno. it takes a lot to make a whole new device
[10:14] <popey> (Microsoft HoloLens)
[10:14] <sebsebseb> HoloLens ???????
[10:14] <sebsebseb> what's that or was that a joke?
[10:14] <popey> no
[10:14] <bashrc> that's true, but a thouand? That seems like an incredibly large team
[10:15] <popey> sure
[10:15] <popey> Samsung recently moved a thousand people to work on Tizen
[10:15]  * sebsebseb waits for  first Ubuntu Phone :d
[10:15] <popey> these are huge companies
[10:15] <sebsebseb> yeah OS's take time to make.....  how long depnds on how made, waht people etc etc,  but right we all know that here I guess anyway :d
[10:15]  * bashrc thinks open source is maybe a thin blue line
[10:24] <popey> sebsebseb: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/hands-on-with-hololens-making-the-virtual-real/
[10:26] <awilkins> Sure a lot of those thousand are people making demo content and apps, people marketing, etc
[10:26] <awilkins> In general I like Microsoft peripheral hardware
[10:27] <awilkins> Their mice / joysticks / gamepads are all solid and good quality
[10:47] <selinuxium> msg: popey Hi fella. Got a few Ubuntu Business questions you might be able to help steer me towards so answers if that is OK?
[10:48] <popey> wassup?
[10:49] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:55] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[10:55] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:56] <selinuxium> 'lo Brobo
[11:10] <brobostigon> morning selinuxium
[11:19] <cybernova> hi, i have a 20£ voucher for HelloFresh from Amazon, dont know what to do with it, so if you want it the code is HFNYAMZ1 and is valid only for UK and NI
[11:20] <cybernova> bye
[11:47] <awilkins> Anyone want the worst job ever? : http://jobview.monster.com/getjob.aspx?JobId=144461403&jvs=cf,can-6342,can,0&WT.mc_n=olm_sk_feed_ziprecruiter
[11:50] <awilkins> Hmm. cybernova may just be some kinda innovative spammer, but who spams IRC channels....
[11:50] <awilkins> And this HelloFresh thing looks like my kinda thing actually.
[11:51]  * Myrtti_ just cooks from the Hairy Dieters books and orders stuff from Tesco
[11:56] <awilkins> Really, I should just adopt a routine of committing to opening one of the vast quantity of recipe books I have and cooking a new thing at least once a week
[11:56] <awilkins> But I think this addresses the whole "mental effort" thing
[11:57] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[12:04] <popey> awilkins: i have used gousto
[12:04] <popey> which is very much like hellofresh
[12:04] <popey> you pick recipes, they send you the exact ingredients and a recipe card
[12:06] <Myrtti_> incidentally I've lost nearly 12kilos since we started Hairy Dieters. With occasional relapse into a chicken kebab and Christmas without gaining any weight.
[12:06] <Myrtti_> we started in September I think
[12:06] <awilkins> My problem is lack of exercise
[12:07] <awilkins> Doing this new job working at home and my home/life balance is still wobbling about
[12:07] <Myrtti> so is mine, but if I go exercise with all this bulk I'll break my knees to even worse condition
[12:07] <Myrtti> so, weightloss with a food regimen first
[12:07] <awilkins> Need to set a timer or something and delineate when worktime stops and exercise time starts
[12:08] <awilkins> Myrtti, build some muscle mass as well ; a great passive slimming aid
[12:08] <awilkins> Should be able to do that with low-impact exercise
[12:09]  * awilkins shuts up and concentrates on his own health
[12:33] <Myrtti> yeah, that is the long time plan. I'm just a bit limited with my options on low-impact and having already once hurt myself in the gym permanently, it's a bit scary to start over.
[20:52] <diddledan> mornin
[20:56] <daftykins> hi sir
[21:00] <popey> http://www.onegoodthingbyjillee.com/2012/02/coolest-easiest-yummiest-yogurt-pops.html
[21:00] <popey> think i need to do that
[21:11] <mapps> anyone familiar with enabling ssl on squid?
[21:11] <daftykins> lol.
[21:11] <mapps> or do i need to download the source and compile..cant do it from a repo install?
[21:11] <mapps> why lol?
[21:11] <daftykins> mapps and his antics :P
[21:11] <mapps> :D
[21:11] <mapps> ;]
[21:12] <mapps> i did google and have a quick read and seems i may have to use source
[21:12] <daftykins> VPNing not enough anymore?
[21:12] <mapps> well
[21:12] <mapps> my friend wants to use my connectioon remotely
[21:12] <mapps> and hes an idiot..he wont manage to use a vpn
[21:12] <mapps> it'd be easier for me to explain setting a browser to use a proxy:)
[21:13] <daftykins> so give a shell account over SSH and explain PuTTY tunnel + SOCKS proxy in firefox ?
[21:13] <daftykins> next to no setup
[21:13] <mapps> also..any idea on why my 2nd pi is sloooow compred to my one back in stoke? any apt-get command is slow as anything...yet same pi/power supply/sd card
[21:13] <mapps> LOL ssh dream on..he'd be lost
[21:13] <daftykins> yours involves way more faffing on your part though
[21:13] <mapps> yea:(
[21:14] <mapps> any idea on the pi?:(
[21:14] <daftykins> explaining how to download PuTTY and configure the tunnel, zero effort
[21:14] <daftykins> idea on what with a pi?
[21:14] <mapps> why it's so damn slow..running any apt-get command
[21:14] <daftykins> probably because they suck for network and disk IO
[21:15] <mapps> building dependency tree...x % TAKES AGES
[21:15] <mapps> yea but then my other one is like 10x faster
[21:16] <daftykins> dunno, SD card speed etc etc
[21:16] <daftykins> never used one and don't intend to break that tradition now :)
[21:16] <mapps> all same as other one:)
[21:16] <mapps> grmp[f
[21:16] <mapps> useless
[21:16] <mapps> :D
[21:16] <daftykins> go the shell account route, simples.
[21:17] <daftykins> i SSH to my VPS up in England to proxy via when i need to pretend to be English
[21:17] <daftykins> or more to the point establish why your mate is wanting to browse weirdly 0o
[21:17] <daftykins> i wouldn't have anyone else slowing me down :D
[21:18] <mapps> ok next q..my IP here changes..on bt i wanna use a dyndns hostname and auto update the IP..but the pis behind the router..will it work? the no-ip client asks for my internet facing interface..well neither are really
[21:19] <daftykins> it'll work it out.
[21:19] <mapps> ok:D
[21:20] <daftykins> it doesn't matter that it's not a direct interface, NAT takes care of that
[21:20] <daftykins> why don't you just try these things :P
[21:20] <mapps> well
[21:20] <mapps> trying anything on this pi
[21:20] <mapps> is SLOW as i was saying
[21:20] <mapps> else i would
[21:20] <mapps> lol
[21:20] <daftykins> oy vey.
[21:20] <shauno> it's quicker to just ask dafty :)
[21:20] <mapps> ja
[21:20] <daftykins> *sigh*
[21:20] <shauno> you don't learn anything that way, but ..
[21:21] <mapps> should i bother trying win10 in a vm..no doubt it'll suck:D
[21:21] <daftykins> it's nothing like the latest presentation, unless they've put out new media yet
[21:21] <mapps> oh
[21:21] <mapps> you try on a vm or as main os?7
[21:22] <daftykins> i'm not an idiot, so VM
[21:22] <daftykins> :>
[21:22] <mapps> heh
[21:22] <mapps> could be an old or empty machine if youd put it as main os
[21:22] <mapps> :D
[21:22] <daftykins> i only have a pile of craptops
[21:22] <mapps> finally got my pesky nexus7 to turn on..when they run down completely..man they take AGES to charge up..like ages
[21:23] <daftykins> maybe that's down to the charger ampage we were talking about the other day?
[21:23] <mapps> i think it's a known 'problem' if it gets to 0% the nexus acts like a brick for ages
[21:23] <mapps> i was using trhe charger it came with
[21:23] <mapps> O_o
[21:23] <daftykins> oh i see
[21:23] <daftykins> yeah that's big with all such devices i think really
[21:24] <daftykins> you shouldn't ever let tablets go flat
[21:24] <mapps> yea
[21:24] <mapps> :(
[21:24] <daftykins> heh yesterday i updated a guys old laptop that we hadn't booted since April
[21:25] <mapps> heh
[21:25] <daftykins> when we got its' replacement probably XD
[21:25] <mapps> super old?
[21:25] <daftykins> mmm, kind of
[21:25] <mapps> p4?:P
[21:25] <mapps> hjeh
[21:25] <daftykins> http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/09/sony-Vaio-tt-unboxing-hands-on-and-impressions/
[21:26] <daftykins> core 2 duo mobile, 4GB RAM and SSD
[21:26] <daftykins> in a carbon fibre shell
[21:26] <mapps> ;]
[21:26] <daftykins> it's done him well for years, gets taken all over the globe for business use
[21:26] <daftykins> still does at least 6hrs battery i would expect
[21:27] <mapps> thats not bad
[21:27] <mapps> my laptop didnt last too long..used on flight for a bit..and on the bus 10mins..dead
[21:27] <mapps> 3-4hrs max
[21:28] <daftykins> was more like 8-9 hrs new
[21:29] <daftykins> we went through a few generations of sony ultraportables before, during and after the whole netbook thing
[21:32] <mapps> this film chained is good
[21:32] <mapps> :D
[21:34] <shauno> I'm watching 'kon tiki', but I'm starting to suspect it should have had subtitles
[21:39] <mapps> heh
[22:21] <daftykins> mapps]: logged in and i see the updated win10 tech preview image is 'coming soon'
[22:22] <shauno> traitors!
[22:22] <diddledan> shauno, were you n0rty and downloaded it accidentally?
[22:23] <shauno> lol - naw
[22:23] <daftykins> i can't be a traitor since i don't run desktop Linux :D
[22:24] <shauno> I used something that looked like win8 on a server recently?
[22:24] <diddledan> shauno, no, i meant the kontiki thing
[22:24] <diddledan> shauno, I notice though that you said that almost an hour ago
[22:24] <diddledan> I suck
[22:24] <shauno> it's okay dan.  we're way past expecting you to make sense :)
[22:24] <daftykins> d'aww
[22:30] <diddledan> this looks really fun: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3339966/
[22:33] <daftykins> 0o
[22:34] <diddledan> it helps that it's entirely original tv rather than "marvel's <insert random comic book hero du jour here>"
[22:35] <diddledan> the world is surely going to get fed up with marvel soon
[22:35] <diddledan> if it hasn't already
[22:35] <daftykins> i'm already on season 5 of 6, of my Sopranos bluray set
[22:35] <diddledan> jeez, louisae
[22:36] <diddledan> louise*
[22:36] <diddledan> you been busy
[22:36] <daftykins> haha
[22:36] <daftykins> there are only 13 eps per season for 1-5, ~50 mins each
[22:36] <diddledan> aah, that helps
[22:36] <daftykins> but yeah pretty much watch one or two every day
[22:36] <diddledan> usual run for an american series seems to be about 20ish?
[22:37] <daftykins> yip
[22:37] <daftykins> they seemed to make them do that for season 6
[22:37] <daftykins> i was gonna watch that windows 10 event, but 2 hours? ugh
[22:37] <diddledan> british tv on the other hand is 6 eps
[22:37] <daftykins> the brief recaps will suffice ;)
[22:42] <daftykins> Sopranos was thankfully from a time before all this tendancy to become poorly written due to being pushed for ratings, it seems like
[23:55] <mapps> 7hm