[02:00] <arkan0x> mhz_dinner, ?? tai
[02:33] <mhz> arkan0x: ping
[04:17] <mhz> re
[06:54] <corey_> http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1010
[01:11] <Yagisan> mhz: ping
[02:46] <patber> hello. i have a question. can i use a 64bit as a terminal server and 32bit terminals?
[02:47] <Yagisan> patber: yes - but that patch is not in the edubuntu release based on breezy
[02:48] <Yagisan> patber: any reason you would like to do that ? (I run 64bit server with 32bit clients)
[02:49] <patber> i would like to use an amd64 server
[02:50] <patber> i'm not sure if the 32 client would boot
[02:50] <Yagisan> patber: In 64bit mode, or 32bit compatibility mode ?
[02:50] <patber> i'm not sure if the 32 client would boot
[02:50] <patber> 32bit mode for the clients
[02:50] <Yagisan> patber: In the current edubuntu setup, amd64 servers can not boot i386 (32bit) clients
[02:51] <Yagisan> patber: you can run 32bit edubuntu on amd64, and boot 32bit clients
[02:51] <patber> so i should use an 32bit server?
[02:52] <Yagisan> patber: with 64bit edubuntu you don't get non-free things like flash in firefox eg
[02:52] <patber> do you get more performance with your 64bit server?
[02:53] <Yagisan> patber: In some apps yes, in others it is actually slower. I built it as 64bit, as I need 64bit software development
[02:53] <patber> i see. thank you for your help.
[02:53] <Yagisan> patber: I had to stuff around setting up a 32bit chroot for firefox+flash+java
[02:54] <Yagisan> patber: at the moment, if you have less then 3/4GB RAM and you want your system to just work
[02:54] <Yagisan> patber: I would install 32bit edubuntu on the amd64 server
[02:55] <Yagisan> patber: have you used the amd64 version of ubuntu ?
[02:55] <patber> yes, i would have 20 clients so the ram would be < 4gb
[02:56] <patber> no, i have not used the 64bit version
[02:56] <patber> i am planning for the hardware i have to use
[02:57] <Yagisan> patber: It has some trouble with proprietary software (vendors don't support amd64 in 64bit mode),
[02:58] <Yagisan> patber: 32bit edubuntu runs fine on amd64 systems, faster then Intel P4 systems.
[02:58] <patber> maybe a 64bit system is easier to upgarde in the future
[02:59] <Yagisan> patber: biggest advantage of the 64bit system is the extra memory address space, and the extra registers
[03:00] <Yagisan> patber: next release of edubuntu should support 32bit clients with 64bit server out of the box
[03:00] <Yagisan> patber: I know, as I wrote the first patch to support that.
[03:00] <patber> well, in the meantime i will try the 42bit edubuntu on a 64bit sytsem
[03:00] <patber> well, in the meantime i will try the 32bit edubuntu on a 64bit sytsem
[03:01] <Yagisan> patber: no worries, let us know how your edubuntu system turns out :)
[03:01] <patber> i will do so. it will be a school in berlin
[03:02] <Yagisan> patber: cool, I believe ogra (main developer) is also from germany.
[03:03] <patber> thanks for your help. bye.
[03:18] <Yagisan> ogra: how are the thin client bofs going ? (have they started yet ?)
[03:20] <ogra> fine...
[03:20] <ogra> looks like we can get the Thin Client bootup down to 30sec (from 1.5 min currently)
[03:21] <ogra> i'm not really happy with the sound stuff, but we'll have to support dapper for 5 years, so we cant do the newest and gretest
[03:21] <Yagisan> ogra: cool. I look forward to quicker boots
[03:21] <ogra> you can look yourself btw
[03:22] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/sprints/ubz/
[03:22] <ogra> look for thin client
[03:24] <mhz> hi there
[03:26] <juliux> re
[03:46] <Yagisan> ogra: Is it possible to reduce client memory usage ? currently the clients need more then 32mb installed to boot
[03:47] <ogra> nope
[03:47] <ogra> thats a requirement of the ubuntu kernel
[03:47] <ogra> it needs at least 48MB
[03:47] <Yagisan> ogra: what about network swap ?
[03:47] <ogra> nbd ?
[03:47] <ogra> its prepared ...
[03:47] <Yagisan> ogra: whatever - but have it kick in on low ram boxes
[03:48] <Yagisan> ogra: we had a few bitches^W complaints about edubuntu not booting in 32mb boxes
[03:49] <Yagisan> ogra: some people didn't like being told to buy more ram
[03:50] <Yagisan> ogra: We should wiki that 48MB requirement in big bold letters - possibly list it in the topic too
[05:16] <mhz_docing> does anyone here know how to say 'Desarrollo Sustentable'  in english?
[05:16] <mhz_docing> Sustainable Development?
[06:00] <highvoltage> edoo: hi
[06:00] <edoo> heya, highvoltage!
[06:01] <magnon> ogra: quick approval :-)
[06:01] <magnon> if it was you
[06:14] <ogra> magnon, ?
[06:14] <magnon> ogra: launchpad
[06:15] <magnon> I signed up for the edubuntu group and got approved seconds later
[06:15] <ogra> magnon, oh, that was JaneW i guess ;) she always beats me to it
[06:16] <juliux> ogra, hi  if you have time take a look at http://www.juliux.de/linux/edubuntuworkshop.odt
[06:22] <magnon> ogra is between bofs RIGHT now so he has ;-)
[06:47] <JaneW> ogra: yes it was ;)
[06:48] <JaneW> ogra: hey I do what I can :P
[06:48] <highvoltage> hi JaneW
[06:48] <JaneW> hello highvoltage
[06:48] <highvoltage> feels like ages since i last talked to you
[06:49] <highvoltage> geez. feeling better?
[06:49] <JaneW> and now I feel guilty
[06:49] <highvoltage> you 'sound' better :)
[06:49] <JaneW> yes it was good to see ppl in the real world
[06:49] <highvoltage> don't worry, it's also been a while for me (since i saw daylight)
[06:49] <JaneW> and I finally sent a postcard back home :)
[06:50] <highvoltage> hehe
[06:50] <highvoltage> how's UBZ? anything exciting? i haven't been able to follow on-line.
[06:50] <JaneW> yes it's going well so far I think, not as manic as UDU, more organised and focused IMO
[06:53] <ogra> JaneW, you shoud start smoking... going out every hour lets the guilty feeling go away ;)
[06:53] <highvoltage> ogra: how do you feel about the next edubuntu release?
[06:54] <highvoltage> any ideas come up so far at this conf?
[06:54] <ogra> yup, we just finished up thin client sound
[06:55] <ogra> additionally we can cut down the thin client boot to a third of the time it uses now
[06:55] <highvoltage> yes, booting is very schloppy atm.
[06:57] <ogra> but 30sec until login sounds ok, doesnt it ?
[06:58] <highvoltage> yep
[06:58] <highvoltage> i wish i could be there. next year i'm making a plan to attend the conference we're having.
[06:59] <highvoltage> perhaps i should start campaigning that it should happen in .za
[07:08] <JaneW> highvoltage: there's talk of that... or germany
[07:08] <JaneW> I am still viaing for THAILAND!
[07:18] <JaneW> highvoltage: Thailand is cheap for us, and so much fin
[07:18] <JaneW> fun too
[07:19] <highvoltage> ok, thailand does sound cool.
[07:19] <highvoltage> and next year i will make more money, so it should be ok.
[07:25] <JaneW> ogra: someone... corey maybe, told me to tell you about the follwoing links LATE last night... http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1010
[07:26] <JaneW> and http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=691
[07:26] <ogra> JaneW, thats the third time he tells me....
[07:27] <ogra> JaneW, and i wont tell him the third time that we cant ship gambas based software
[07:27] <JaneW> ogra: sorry...
[07:27] <ogra> dont worry :)
[07:28] <ogra> gnutu would duplicate schooltool :)
[07:28] <Burgundavia> ogra, JaneW sorry, I have a bad memory
[07:28] <ogra> Burgundavia, no worries ...
[07:29] <JaneW> gnutu - sounds like an ubuntu derivative
[07:29] <ogra> we should have gnutu available in universe, looks cool for the workstation
[07:29] <ogra> (for home usage)
[07:29] <JaneW> Burgundavia: np, I just didn;t want to forget if it was smoehting we wanted
[07:29] <highvoltage> what i like about schooltool is the amount of thought that went into it to do it properly.
[07:29] <JaneW> lunch time yay
[07:29] <Burgundavia> JaneW, yes
[07:29] <ogra> LUNCH !!!!
[07:29] <JaneW> !
[07:29] <JaneW> bye
[07:30] <highvoltage> bye!
[07:32] <th1a> I'd never heard of gambas.
[07:32] <th1a> But I suppose something like that had to exist, whether it is a good idea or not.
[07:37] <highvoltage> gambas? what's that.
[07:37] <highvoltage> edoo: google for gambas
[07:37] <th1a> Apparently, free visual BASIC, more or less.
[07:38] <highvoltage> ah.
[07:47] <th1a> Is edoo a bot?
[07:47] <th1a> Apparently so.
[07:47] <Conan59> good day to all.
[07:48] <Conan59> I need someone to point me to a nice start about using edubuntu with LSTP
[07:49] <Conan59> I haven't understood all the details on the LSTP site enough to translate them to edubuntu
[07:49] <bluefrog-10> what do u need to know?
[07:51] <bluefrog-10> Conan59, what do u want to know?
[07:56] <Conan59> sorry
[07:56] <Conan59> Basically an easy way to start
[07:56] <Conan59> What do I install?
[07:56] <Conan59> where do I get it..
[07:56] <Conan59> I already have the latest version of edubuntu
[07:56] <Conan59> edubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso
[07:57] <Conan59> and I'm going to install it on a computer later today
[07:57] <Conan59> but what do I need to configure and how do I plug the clients?
[07:58] <juliux> Conan59, the clients boots via pxe or a little bootimage, you didn't have to install anything at the client
[08:02] <Conan59> So I don't need the chip for the network card?
[08:02] <Conan59> I can make a floppy image and run from the server?
[08:02] <Conan59> I guess I need to disable my existing DHCP server, right?
[08:03] <Conan59> being a linksys router I don't think it supports what I need, does it?
[08:05] <juliux> yes on the edubuntu the dhcp server should run
[08:05] <bluefrog-10> better if you disable it to test, just to make sure there is no interference
[08:05] <juliux> and then the clients can boot via network
[08:05] <bluefrog-10> install edubuntu while following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPServerSetup?highlight=%28ltsp%29
[08:06] <bluefrog-10> u might have a pb to log in with your clients, if it's the case come back here and it will be solved in no time
[08:07] <Conan59> pb?
[08:07] <bluefrog-10> problem
[08:07] <Conan59> OH thanks :D
[08:07] <Conan59> Thank you very much for your help
[08:07] <Conan59> that's exactly what I was looking for.
[08:08] <Conan59> I'll come back as soon as I have it up and running.
[08:08] <Conan59> Thanks again.. see you later!
[08:47] <xDudex> Hey
[08:48] <juliux> ho
[08:48] <xDudex> Have any of you deployed Edubuntu yet?  If so, for what?
[08:48] <xDudex> err
[08:49] <xDudex> as a Terminal server... I meant =/
[08:49] <bluefrog-10> xDudex, schools would be the best example
[08:50] <juliux> or fair teams like the german ubuntu/edubuntu fair team
[08:51] <xDudex> fair teams?
[08:51] <juliux> yes we make booth at fairs
[08:51] <juliux> or conferences
[08:52] <xDudex> ahh, ok
[08:52] <xDudex> is it possible to create a customized desktop setup and then use that as a template so-to-speak for a group of users?
[08:53] <juliux> you can make it by hand
[08:54] <xDudex> yeah, but say I need it to be identical for 20 users, is there a way to avoid doing it all by hand? =)
[08:54] <bluefrog-10> yes certainly
[08:54] <juliux> you can also write a little script
[08:55] <bluefrog-10> can't tell u right now how but am pretty sure that it's possible to define several default desktops and then assign them to groups
[08:56] <xDudex> ok, cool, that's helpful in my search, knowing that it is possible
[09:02] <highvoltage> xDudex: you can also copy a costomised home directory to /etc/skel
[09:02] <highvoltage> all new users will then have that setup
[09:20] <xDudex> highvoltage, yeah, I was just reading about that on a site
[09:20] <xDudex> brb
[09:38] <mhz_lunch> re
[09:51] <XRaxX> oh snap
[09:51] <XRaxX> this is quite easy
[09:51] <XRaxX> Set up one user as the model, copy its config files into /etc/skel
[09:51] <XRaxX> then all new users will be set up like the model
[09:54] <bluefrog-10> how would u do then to assign a skeleton to someone depending on the group he is memeber of?
[09:54] <bluefrog-10> there must be a way to achieve that, no?
[09:56] <XRaxX> I don't know
[09:56] <XRaxX> still doing more reading on it =)
[09:56] <bluefrog-10> something like create /etc/skel  /etc/skel1 and so on :)
[09:57] <bluefrog-10> i need to have a look into ldap directory to see if it can be done thru it
[09:58] <XRaxX> I have never used an ldap directory
[09:59] <neurogeek> bluefrog-10, /etc/skel is group-independant AFAIK
[09:59] <XRaxX> correct, neurogeek
[09:59] <XRaxX> the question is then, is there a way to do the same thing /etc/skel does, but make it group dependant?
[10:00] <neurogeek> XRaxX, unless you add script support to it.. by modifing useradd
[10:01] <neurogeek> it shouldn't be that difficult
[10:01] <XRaxX> what do you mean?
[10:02] <bluefrog-10> yes but then it would for users only
[10:02] <bluefrog-10> u wouldn't change a group at once , would u?
[10:03] <bluefrog-10> or to be clearer, change a user skel by adding him to a group
[10:03] <neurogeek> I mean.. changing useradd code.. that way you can do what you want to skel.. or creating a new adduser program
[10:03] <bluefrog-10> adduser yep seems better
[10:04] <neurogeek> bluefrog-10, yes..
[10:06] <bluefrog-10> am having a look at smbldap-useradd, there is an option for the skeleton there
[10:07] <neurogeek> yes.. but with group support??
[10:07] <bluefrog-10> -m creates home dir and copies /etc/skel -k specifies skeleton dir
[10:07] <mhz> bluefrog-10: but what is exactly what you need? UserGroup have access to this application while UserGroup2 does not?
[10:07] <bluefrog-10> hang on hang on one thing at a time ... :)
[10:07] <neurogeek> bluefrog-10, thats the standard way useradd does it
[10:07] <neurogeek> mhz, hello.. how are you??
[10:08] <bluefrog-10> oh yes was checking useradd but missed it
[10:08] <mhz> Mauricio Hernandez Z.
[10:08] <mhz> neurogeek: has bad memory :)
[10:08] <bluefrog-10> mhz, no someone was asking if possible to assign a skel to a group
[10:08] <bluefrog-10> so that all members of a group have same desktop
[10:09] <neurogeek> mhz, no.. jeje.. i asked about how are you doing? how are your things? jeje
[10:09] <mhz> neurogeek: oohhh, my tired eyes, duh!!!
[10:09] <neurogeek> mhz, don't worry.. nice seeing you again
[10:09] <mhz> m2
[10:10] <mhz> bluefrog-10: oh, same desktop for G1 but will users in G2 still see SAME menus?
[10:11] <bluefrog-10> not sure of what the guy wanted but for me it would be like this yes
[10:12] <bluefrog-10> eventually having different icons on desktop as well in relation to waht they are doing
[10:12] <mhz> hmm, I guess 'adduser' has some options to specify /etc/skel but I doubt this will provide a diff menu depending on Group :(
[10:12] <bluefrog-10> G1 accounting has accounting icons on desktop and so on
[10:12] <mhz> well, that'd be cool for schools purposes
[10:12] <bluefrog-10> yes
[10:12] <XRaxX> that simplifies it though because you just make a few different /etc/skel 's based on the groups you need
[10:13] <XRaxX> then specifiy which to use in creation
[10:13] <mhz> but I think this will be possible under Wmaker or Fluxbox desktops
[10:13] <neurogeek> bluefrog-10, modifiying adduser or useradd is the only way to do that
[10:13] <mhz> i doubt it under GNOME
[10:13] <mhz> (maybe)
[10:14] <mhz> neurogeek: but doesn't adduser offer a flag for a diff /skel ?
[10:14] <bluefrog-10> ok then to make it simpler, a useradd script which asks in which group he's going to be, then we the input to define the skel?
[10:14] <neurogeek> mhz, yes.. you can specify what is going to be your skel dir.. but not to make group differences between them
[10:14] <XRaxX> wouldn't it just be easier to use that switch?
[10:15] <mhz> neurogeek: you mean no -G flag or something?
[10:15] <XRaxX> it doesn't have to be fully automated...
[10:15] <neurogeek> bluefrog-10, easier.. write a script that calls useradd specifiying it what sekl dir to grab by group
[10:15] <mhz> neurogeek: oooh, now i see
[10:15] <bluefrog-10> yes that's what i meant (i think) in very bad english :)
[10:15] <mhz> sorry
[10:16] <mhz> bluefrog-10: your english is fine
[10:16] <neurogeek> mhz, -m -k (skel dir)
[10:16] <mhz> communication is the key
[10:16] <bluefrog-10> my scripting is less :)
[10:16] <XRaxX> neurogeek, yes
[10:17] <mhz> bluefrog-10: my scripting is Zero
[10:17] <neurogeek> :D
[10:17] <bluefrog-10> so far zero is a high score for me
[10:17] <mhz> hehehehe
[10:17] <neurogeek> bluefrog-10, it will be easy.. you just have to wrap useradd, with the parameters you want
[10:18] <mhz> bluefrog-10: IIRC, OSX had an option to do exactly what we're discussing from GUI :D
[10:18] <mhz> .oO(neurogeek's right)
[10:19] <neurogeek> :D
[10:20] <blue-james> hum my first xchat window has gone somewhere but where exactly i don't know..;
[10:21] <blue-james> am bluefrog-10
[10:21] <XRaxX> haha, weird
[10:22] <blue-james> could you point me to a site where i could find simple scripting example so that i can learn from live stuff?
[10:22] <blue-james> am no programmer so theory is a bit above my head
[10:23] <neurogeek> going to check
[10:23] <blue-james> but i can make my way with real stuff
[10:23] <blue-james> and then i go back to theory
[10:24] <XRaxX> shell scripting?
[10:24] <blue-james> sh scripts
[10:24] <XRaxX> same thing =P
[10:24] <blue-james> such as as for a user input and use that input afterwards
[10:24] <blue-james> such as ask..
[10:25] <mhz> bluefrog-10: have you ever used WebMin stuff?
[10:25] <blue-james> yes
[10:25] <mhz> i'd bet webmin has what you need from GUI
[10:25] <XRaxX> that is more advanced than what I know, heh
[10:25] <blue-james> have had a look itno their scripts already but tough
[10:25] <XRaxX> maybe http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ ?
[10:26] <mhz> i'd bet webmin has what you need from GUI (adding users with profiles)
[10:26] <blue-james> becasue they are calling so many things, it makes me dizzy :)
[10:27] <XRaxX> is webmin an ubuntu package?
[10:27] <blue-james> cool will have a look into Example 4-1. Variable assignment and substitution
[10:27] <blue-james> webmin yes
[10:27] <blue-james> universe
[10:27] <neurogeek> blue-james, you just need (as simple as i see it ) something like this http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/2004?_nevow_carryover_=1130880435.99<IP_ADDRESS>.759829862943
[10:27] <XRaxX> roger that, found it
[10:28] <neurogeek> Of course.. validating the existence of both $group and /etc/skel_$group
[10:28] <blue-james> perfeact
[10:29] <neurogeek> blue-james, its not the most elegant thing in the world.. but it'll do
[10:29] <blue-james> exactly what the guy asked and exactly what i needed to start to understand how to do them ty very much
[10:29] <mhz> perfect!
[10:29] <neurogeek> np
[10:29] <XRaxX> yeah, cool, thanks
[10:29] <blue-james> elegant stuff is one thing, wroking stuff i prefer :)
[10:30] <mhz> blue-james: then after, please wiki a page stating how you solved the 'problem'
[10:30] <neurogeek> thats my motto on pressure times.. jaja
[10:31] <blue-james> mhz, am working on samba-ldap dhcp3 bind howto
[10:31] <mhz> cooool
[10:31] <blue-james> have done all my tests 4 or 5. i need to write now
[10:32] <blue-james> 4or5 times
[10:32] <mhz> excuseme, educool!
[10:32] <mhz> :)
[10:32] <blue-james> i still need to explore postfix. bit hard as i was used to sendmail
[10:33] <mhz> free as in freedom is harder path, but much more gratefull in the end
[10:33] <blue-james> i would prefer postix as it is in breezy but if loosing too much time i will go sendmail in universe
[10:33] <mhz> hmmmm, boooh
[10:34] <blue-james> i mean postfix in itself, i can do but apparently i have some pb to integrate an imap server with it
[10:35] <blue-james> tried courrier and cyrus, no good. i prefer dovecot anyway but i haven't started yet
[10:35] <blue-james> well started but just a little
[10:36] <blue-james> by no good i mean i was no good :)
[10:36] <mhz> hehehe
[10:36] <mhz> dovecot you said? I read a terrific howto
[10:36] <mhz> blue-james: need a url?
[10:37] <blue-james> if in conjunction with postfix yes by all means
[10:37] <blue-james> otherwise yes as well anyway :)
[10:37] <blue-james> but so far my dovecot pb seems to come from ldap auth.
[10:38] <blue-james> didn't have those pb with K12LTSP but now that 've dumped K12 i need to understand things a bit deeper
[10:42] <mhz> re
[10:42] <mhz> sorry
[10:46] <mhz> blue-james: http://www.howtoforge.com/taxonomy_menu/1/4
[10:47] <blue-james> cool i killed my first window, will be back.. ty
[10:47] <mhz> yw
[10:47] <blue-james> or maybe can i just take back my name from here without shuting don xchat?
[11:42] <signifer123> so what advantages does edubuntu have for High Schools?
[11:43] <bluefrog-10> less money involved in clients, maintenance...
[11:43] <bluefrog-10> when i say less it's an euphemism
[11:43] <bluefrog-10> understand big money saved
[11:44] <bluefrog-10> money that can be used on training people
[11:47] <corey_> time is another thing that may not be directly expressed as money, but certainly would be felt
[11:47] <corey_> that is what edubuntu saves
[11:54] <magnon> training is generally a cost, but it's a long term thing
[11:56] <corey_> yes, and if you make the system as turn-key as possible, you eliminate a great deal of training
[11:57] <bluefrog-10> training as in training pple how to use a computer, openoffice and so on....
[11:57] <magnon> I don't think you would always need a course as of such
[11:58] <bluefrog-10> training as having night courses for elderly and so on.;
[11:58] <signifer123> but how about on restrictions?
[11:58] <magnon> if they're not completely illiterate they'll find their way around
[11:58] <signifer123> lol
[11:58] <magnon> signifer123: restrictions to what users can do?
[11:58] <signifer123> like keeping them from accessing certain aprts of the fs
[11:58] <bluefrog-10> am not talking about the IT guy who is going to install..
[11:58] <signifer123> parts*
[11:59] <signifer123> for students
[11:59] <magnon> well, edubuntu does or will do restrictions
[12:00] <signifer123> what does it do as of now?
[12:01] <magnon> ogra: answer please :-)
[12:01] <magnon> I'm not sure
[12:01] <bluefrog-10> what u need it to do
[12:01] <magnon> but you have the basic unix separations
[12:01] <bluefrog-10> define your needs
[12:01] <signifer123> keep them from accessing the main aprt of the linux fs
[12:01] <magnon> why would you?
[12:01] <signifer123> why would they have to
[12:01] <bluefrog-10> they don't have access to files system
[12:02] <signifer123> if they mess something up then you have to ghost it
[12:02] <magnon> to start programs and such?
[12:02] <magnon> they won't have an access to write it
[12:02] <magnon> only an admin would
[12:02] <signifer123> just allow them to see their home dir thats it
[12:02] <magnon> that's silly
[12:02] <signifer123> they can't even see the other stuff
[12:02] <magnon> that's a security measure that you don't need
[12:03] <signifer123> i guess so...
[12:03] <signifer123> does wine support netware?
[12:03] <ogra> a normal user can mess up parts of the os in linux
[12:03] <ogra> s/can/can't/


[00:26] <krytarik> Aaron: Might want to link your LP profile for when the relevant people are around.
[00:36] <el> i've already pre-acked aaron's cloak a few days ago but since they left after swapping to the unaffiliated one we weren't sure of waht they wanted lol
[00:37] <el> any staff around currently?
[00:37] <jess> o3o
[00:37] <jess> khajiit has cloak if you have coin
[00:38] <el> Aaron: to confirm, you want @ubuntu/member/aaron correct?
[00:39] <el> :|
[00:42] <el> jess: since he came back i'm going to give the go ahead on @ubuntu/member/aaron and if somehow it's not what he wanted we'll fix it later.
[00:43] <jess> are you aware they've had an ubuntu cloak before?
[00:44] <jess> don't if the removal was at user or GC request
[00:44] <jess> don't know*
[00:45] <el> i don't have any recollection of us removing a cloak from them
[00:45] <jess> cool. i'll set it
[00:46] <nicoz> cooool :P
[00:47] <el> thanks jess!
[01:28] <hggdh> jess: they asked to drop their cloak. I did it
[02:25] <el> yeah i was pretty confident we didn't confiscate it, that would have involved a lot of discussion


[02:58] <ubptgbot> duggal karan was added by: duggal karan
 @Fuseteam [that's what i suspected of the camera app but since he reach the point that he c …], Still crashes immediatly on launch.
[04:47] <ubptgbot> Youknowwhoiamright was added by: Youknowwhoiamright
[05:29] <ubptgbot> LaDataNo was added by: LaDataNo
[06:25] <ubptgbot> William Lowery was added by: William Lowery
 @mrcyjanek [https://github.com/ubports-oneplus6/documentation/releases/download/1.2/target.z …], this didn't boot on my device 🙃
 @Sid127 [this didn't boot on my device 🙃], Did it stuck on bootloader?
 yeah
 splash screen
 Force an reboot
 Oh that worked, thanks!
 weird though
 c:
 I had a question
 How do I identify which exact version of ubtouch I'm running
 Is there a command like neofetch for ut?
[07:53] <Maik> no "About" on it that shows the version?
 @Sid127 [How do I identify which exact version of ubtouch I'm running], There should be info in about
 But there is no xd
 Nope
 there's just the ubuntu logo with halium Ubuntu Touch written underneath
 and then the device details, storage details, legal stuff
 Yeah, but it should be there
 yeah the about page is there, but no version
 I can't tell if I'm running OTA-12 or OTA 13 by simply heading to the settings :P
 Ill fix jenkins to build new ci based on devel channel and drop you a link
 @Sid127 [I can't tell if I'm running OTA-12 or OTA 13 by simply heading to the settings : …], Lets say its 12,7
 alrighty, take your time
 :)
 @mrcyjanek what's your xda username?
 things have been controversial in my device's community before and I want to give credit where necessary just to be on the safer side
 @Sid127 [@mrcyjanek what's your xda username?], I'm @mrcyjanek there also
 alrighty, thank you!
[08:26] <ubptgbot> Ivo Warmels-Vermeulen was added by: Ivo Warmels-Vermeulen
[08:27]  * lejocelyn reinstalled xnux's version of UBports as it works so much better than the official image
[08:27] <lejocelyn> I guess it has mostly to do with the new version of the kernel
[08:29] <lejocelyn> but even the update-upgrade works properly, while it wasn't the case with the official release for the pinephone
[08:32] <lejocelyn> boh, with both I can't use my Nextcloud account
 lejocelyn if there are patches worthwhile for UT to work better on the PinePhone the best option would be to tell the developer to share those patches with us.
[08:33] <lejocelyn> when I select the Nextcloud account with the settings for online accounts, it just keep loading
[08:33] <lejocelyn> fredldotme: true, I hope xnux is doing it
[08:34] <lejocelyn> https://xnux.eu/pinephone-multi-boot.html#toc-pinephone-multi-distro-demo-image
[08:36] <lejocelyn> he says they can be found there : https://megous.com/git/linux/log/?h=orange-pi-5.7
[08:39] <lejocelyn> ah ok : https://megous.com/git/linux/commit/?h=orange-pi-5.7&id=9422c45f7b9fb598a4d65ecc6e524e8022f2cb3a
 Well I'm not working on the PinePhone, so I'm not the best person to judge which patches to include. That's why I'm asking someone with better insights to propose pull requests to us. :)
[08:39] <lejocelyn> his name is Ondřej Jirman
[08:40] <lejocelyn> I think the guy uses mainly Arch Linux though
 if bluetooth isn't working on my device, what am I supposed to check, dmesg, syslog, or logcat?
 hello. I think about buy a second oneplus one for use ubports. Is it usable like phone for every day?
 [Edit] hello. I think about buy a second used oneplus one for use ubports. Is it usable like phone for every day?
 @error0x001 [hello. I think about buy a second used oneplus one for use ubports. Is it usable …], It is according to the maturity score: http://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 @fredldotme [It is according to the maturity score: http://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/], yeah, I have read this article, so I think oneplus is good. But I ask about phone for every day. Is it ok? Is it work without bags?
 @fredldotme [It is according to the maturity score: http://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/], [Edit] yeah, I have read this article, so I think oneplus is good. But I ask about phone for every day. Is it ok? Is it work without bugs?
 Some people in the community use it as their daily driver phone, yes.
 The only thing I can come up with is maybe missing zoom in the camera, but other than that it should be fine.
 @fredldotme [Some people in the community use it as their daily driver phone, yes.], thanks you. … and another question. How can I setup applications on UT? For example telegram-desktop. Is it usable?
 @fredldotme [The only thing I can come up with is maybe missing zoom in the camera, but other …], very nice
 @error0x001 [thanks you. … and another question. How can I setup applications on UT? For examp …], We have the TELEports app, which is a UT-native Telegram client.
 For desktop apps you might want to look into Libertine as installing apps via apt is only supported via Libertine.
 Have tou a store with apps?
 @error0x001 [Have tou a store with apps?], http://open-store.io/
 @fredldotme [http://open-store.io/], thank you very much
 And what do you think about pinephone? What is better? 1+1 or pine?
 @error0x001 [thanks you. … and another question. How can I setup applications on UT? For examp …], Ubuntu Touch is not a desktop OS on mobile, its fundamentally different
 You can install some desktop apps in a limited way in a container, but most of them are hard to use with no optimization for a touch screen and high dpi
 The OPO port is definitely more stable for daily usage compared to the PinePhone.
 thank you. I've seen the store. What is web-application? for ex https://open-store.io/app/taxi.yandex.mass
 Is it like web-site converted to app?
 @error0x001 [Is it like web-site converted to app?], Yes that works quite okaish for many things
 @Flohack [Yes that works quite okaish for many things], thanks a lot. I think I'm going to find used OPO and buy it.
 @livrecinq [Still crashes immediatly on launch.], After reinstall from opnstore?
 @Sid127 [yeah the about page is there, but no version], Under "software" on that page you'll see "ubuntu 16.04" … If its the stable channel ota 12 will be written next to it … If its the rc channel instead of ota12 it will say something w<week-number>-2020 iirc … While on the devel channel it'll just say ubuntu 16.04 <the date>
 I can't be sending images in here, can I?
 @Fuseteam [After reinstall from opnstore?], Yes
 Huh?
 @livrecinq [Yes], Then you'll have to check the logs
 @livrecinq [Yes], Fixed... after full reset.
 Hmmmm
 Can anyone tell me if it is possible to participate in encrypted chats in Fluffychat.  Apologies if this has been covered before.
 @Javacookies [By the way, here's a video of UT on an Xperia X for anyone interested on how UT …], Thanks for doing this, its great to see people using the OS.
 @wayneTBT [Can anyone tell me if it is possible to participate in encrypted chats in Fluffy …], There is a way using something called pantalaimon. @jonny might know more I think to remember.
 @wayneTBT [Thanks for doing this, its great to see people using the OS.], I like showcasing UT 😄
 @wayneTBT [Can anyone tell me if it is possible to participate in encrypted chats in Fluffy …], See https://forums.ubports.com/topic/4545/fluffychat-encryption-via-pantalaimon … Download here: https://git.sr.ht/~thrrgilag/pantalaimon-ut/refs/0.4.0
 @wayneTBT [Can anyone tell me if it is possible to participate in encrypted chats in Fluffy …], Go on the App Development bit of the UT forum and there's a thread for pantalaimon app … It basically acts as a relay … It works well in terms of encryption of text conversations, however at the moment there's a problem with decoding images
 Thanks for sharing that.
 With the upgrade to QTWebEngine you can actually use the web version of element now as well, so that's a workaround for the image thing
[16:51] <ubptgbot> FabricioSC was added by: FabricioSC
 Ubuntu gsi?
 have you seen the group description?
 [Edit] every devices needs to be individually ported, what device are you on? what version of android did it ship with?
 @Fuseteam [every devices needs to be individually ported, what device are you on? what vers …], https://youtu.be/eGjplOtzSFI
 are to planning on porting?
 porting is only easier with the gsi but the lower layers still needs to be ported
 I do ports, with gsi, but I would like to know if there is an update of that gsi(Ubuntu)
 you should ask in the porting group https://t.me/UBports_porting
 I have pinetab, just updated to version 8. Camera still doesn't work.
 i think @utonpine is a more appropiate group for that atm
 is there a command similar to neofetch in ut?
 no; you can probably install neofetch or something inside a libertine container, or dump the binary/script somewhere in your home directory and run it though
 alright, thank you!
 @dohbee [no; you can probably install neofetch or something inside a libertine container, …], The script works fine
 wget, chmod, run
 neofetch is just a bash script :p
 @Fuseteam [neofetch is just a bash script :p], Yep
 Was trying to setup a libertine container, but it just crashed when I tried to make it from the settings app... Tried to make it using the terminal, but that gave me an error - No module named 'Libertine.LxcContainer'
 is there something I have to do before to get it working?
 is there not a newer rootfs available for the GSI?
 The GSI is pretty old, it still uses the old system-settings layout.
 One could flash a newer rootfs with `halium-install` though
 that is definitely old. would be nice to get that updated, for all the fixes
[23:33] <jdmark3> Anyone want to buy my PinePhone 3GB/32GB Linux phone?  https://www.ebay.com/itm/PinePhone-3GB-32GB-Postmarket-OS-Convergence-Edition-Linux-Phone-from-Pine64/114424921226


[20:41] <uptime> Any ops around to remove a ban to fix_your_connection?
[20:47] <RoyK> uptime: blueking?
[20:48] <uptime> RoyK: Yeah! He's over in ##fix_your_connection wanting to message a few people in -offtopic


[06:40] <dholbach> good morning
[06:54] <Tm_T> moin
[07:37] <smartboyhw_> dholbach: How's the community website?
[07:42] <dholbach> smartboyhw_, the content needs to be reviewed again and the links to be checked and updated - I mailed all the folks who agreed at UDS to work on the project about it
[07:42] <dholbach> but I don't know if anyone looked over the site again
[07:42] <dholbach> I was too busy sprinting to look into any of this
[07:42] <dholbach> and my inbox is a disaster site
[07:44] <smartboyhw_> dholbach: Eh. Give me the link again for the test site
[07:44] <dholbach> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[07:44]  * dholbach → dentist
[07:45] <smartboyhw_> dholbach: The dentist? :(
[07:46] <dholbach> yeah, let's hope it's a brief visit - being thoroughly jetlagged is bad enough on its own :)
[07:46] <smartboyhw_> dholbach: :)
[07:47] <smartboyhw_> Heck there's a problem: The quality page's "Tips and tricks" formatting is crapped
[07:49]  * smartboyhw_ blames balloons
[07:52] <smartboyhw_> And somewhat I am feeling the links are messy
[07:52] <smartboyhw_> I mean for the navigation bars of each seperate page (not the common header)
[07:53] <smartboyhw_> In the homepage the documentation link is wrong
[07:54] <smartboyhw_> The CoC link is a 404
[07:54] <smartboyhw_> Meh
[07:55] <smartboyhw_> documentation link = contributing documetation link
[08:05] <popey> dholbach: "-- Jono Bacon, Ubuntu community manager
[08:06] <popey> should be "Ubuntu Community Manager" as it's a job title.
[08:06] <popey> IMO
[08:06] <popey> dholbach: "Your technical skills can make a real difference.."  - s/.././
[08:07] <popey> dholbach: "Internet relay chat " should be "Internet Relay Chat"
[08:13] <smartboyhw_> popey: Maybe s/../!/ :P
[09:02] <dholbach> hey dpm
[09:02] <dholbach> popey, looking into it in a bit
[09:02] <dpm> hey dholbach
[09:03] <dholbach> dpm, how's the jetlag?
[09:04] <dpm> hm, it's hit me a bit this time round, but hopefully it should go away soon
[09:06] <dholbach> good luck
[09:38] <dholbach> smartboyhw, popey: should be all fixed now
[09:45] <popey> \o/ UK Public Holiday today. Away message set ☑ , Lawn mowed ☑ , Car fixed ☑ , Meetings set to 'no attendance' ☒ - Oops!
[09:46] <nigelb> Ha.
[09:47] <dpm> popey, "disconnect from IRC"? ;)
[09:47] <dpm> enjoy :)
[09:47] <nigelb> dpm: supposedly the "away message" covers that.
[09:47] <nigelb> But popey misses us too much :P
[09:47] <dpm> :)
[09:48] <popey> :þ
[09:49] <popey> I should /nick popey|vacation, but I have a pathological hatred of nick changing, so won't do that ☻
[09:49] <popey> anyway → away, ttfn
[09:52] <smartboyhw> dholbach: \o/
[10:08] <smartboyhw_> dholbach: Eh hum you still didn't fix the Quality page formatting for me:P
[10:11] <dholbach> smartboyhw_, please remind me what the problem is trhere
[10:17] <smartboyhw_> dholbach: The "Tips and Tricks" part
[10:17] <smartboyhw_> It's just one full sentence
[10:18] <smartboyhw_> Should be point-formed
[10:18] <dholbach> point formed?
[10:18] <dholbach> a long list with bullet points?
[10:19] <smartboyhw_> dholbach: Yep.
[10:19] <dholbach> ok
[10:19] <smartboyhw_> dholbach: Thanks! :)
[10:19]  * smartboyhw_ hugs dholbach
[10:20] <dholbach> updated
[10:20] <dholbach> hugs back
[10:21] <smartboyhw_> dholbach: \o/
[16:15] <popey> ebenink
[18:12] <hackerGBQ> hi everybody
[18:13] <hackerGBQ> anybody discussing here or just sitting for coffee to arrive..lol


[01:02] <czajkowski>  /c
[01:04] <cjohnston> What happens when LC members find LTP developers at UDS: http://pix.ie/czajkowski/2618914/in/album/426006
[01:07] <czajkowski> :)
[01:08] <cjohnston> shouldn't you be partying and not on irc?
[01:09] <czajkowski> I'm here
[01:09] <czajkowski> and it's winding down
[01:09] <cjohnston> ic
[01:17] <cjohnston> czajkowski: my systems all borked.. no more deving on ltp
[01:18] <czajkowski> till when ?
[01:18] <cjohnston> till mike can figure out what borked
[01:19] <czajkowski> nods
[01:20] <cjohnston> i dunno.. for some reason pip isn't working to create my dev environment..
[01:20] <czajkowski> mike says stop whinging and get back to work
[01:20] <cjohnston> tell him his job is summit... and lots of it
[01:21] <mhall119> I quit everything
[01:21] <cjohnston> nope
[01:21] <cjohnston> for your bragging today, you were made lead on summit and ltp
[01:44] <mhall119> bragging?
[01:45] <cjohnston> about the bbq
[01:45] <cjohnston> making me look at pictures all day
[01:46] <mhall119> that waant bragging, that was bribing
[01:46] <cjohnston> lol
[01:51] <czajkowski> UDS-P Day 5 Wrap up http://j.mp/vtEPf1
[08:40] <YoBoY> nice pictures czajkowski :D
[08:40] <YoBoY> good morning from France :']
[18:49] <locodir-user> hello all
[18:50] <kaolc2> Is this the right channel for Spanish language related questions?
[18:51] <paultag> ,es?
[18:51] <paultag> damn my fluxbox shaz
[18:51] <paultag> !ed
[18:51] <paultag> damnit.
[18:51] <paultag> !es
[18:51] <paultag> ubotu is gone, lame
[18:51] <paultag> kaolc2: there's a ubuntu-es channel somewhere
[18:51] <paultag> not sure if it's ubuntu-es, because I think that's a state ISO code
[18:52] <kaolc2> paultag: This is translation-related, not Ubuntu.. I think I'm at the wrong place
[18:52] <paultag> Ahh
[18:52] <paultag> kaolc2: perhaps ubuntu-translators ? :)
[18:52] <kaolc2> I already asked in ubuntu-es, they sent me here for unexplainable reasons ;)
[18:52] <paultag> hehe
[18:52] <paultag> kaolc2: #ubuntu-translators, perhaps
[18:52] <paultag> sorry :)
[18:52] <kaolc2> do you happen to speak Spanish? ^^
[18:53] <paultag> kaolc2: I don't I'm sorry :)
[18:53] <paultag> I speak a very small bit of German, though :)
[18:53] <kaolc2> das ist cool
[18:53] <kaolc2> anyway, thanks
[18:53] <paultag> sure :)
[18:53] <paultag> good luck!
[23:40] <locodir-rdcr75> hola?


[05:49] <micahg> any ideas on bug 382181?
[09:58] <asac> fta: added the build system for hardy ;) ... lets hope this works smooth
[09:58] <fta> thanks
[09:58] <asac> fta: can you take a quick look if you see anything i missed?
[09:58] <asac> .hardy branch
[09:59] <asac> pushed it to security ppa now
[09:59] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa
[10:00] <asac> stefanlsd: so did persia review gears licensing yet?
[10:01] <stefanlsd> asac: not yet. although i've been working with him on licensing review stuff and plan to do the review myself, moving it to dep5 - http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/
[10:02] <stefanlsd> asac: i have a big deadline for some stuff, so hopefully before or during the weekend i'll have that done...
[10:02] <stefanlsd> asac: managed to have a look at the libpng, libjpeg issue?
[10:02] <asac> stefanlsd: so persia definitly said that just BSD is wrong and you should post the full license in changelog
[10:02] <asac> stefanlsd: what do you mean by "do review yourself" ?
[10:03] <fta> asac, so many commits? wasn't it in the debian/ dir in the 1st place?
[10:03] <asac> stefanlsd: no. i think what would work would be using the libpng from gecko and the libjpeg for gecko
[10:03] <asac> fta: i cherry picked all build-system related commits you had
[10:03] <fta> oh
[10:03] <asac> that was 5 or 6
[10:04] <asac> matching the amount of commits
[10:04] <asac> the comments of the later landed ones didnt really read as if they were optional ;)
[10:04] <asac> fta: you think i picked too many?
[10:04] <fta> oh, code.lp is giving you credits so i thought you redid everything manually, n-m
[10:05] <asac> well. merge -c doesnt really remember what you merged
[10:05] <asac> only full branch merges
[10:05] <stefanlsd> asac: im gonna redo the licensing myself, and then double check with persia
[10:05] <asac> merge -c is basically a diff + patch + some conflict tracking
[10:06] <asac> stefanlsd: ok. let me know if you need anything.
[10:06] <fta> it does when you cherry pick with merge -r 125..127
[10:06] <asac> i am sure we can do further system lib refinements later
[10:07] <asac> fta: i think you will survive it ;)
[10:07] <fta> sure :)
[10:07] <stefanlsd> asac: kk. how do i link agaist gecko png and jpeg?
[10:07] <asac> fta: if this all blows up you probably dont want to be referencable anyway ;)
[10:07] <fta> lol
[10:07] <asac> stefanlsd: i would really think that system jpeg should work. you sure you tried just doing that?
[10:09] <stefanlsd> asac: mm. yeah. doesnt work without it
[10:09] <stefanlsd> asac: is probably not the end of the world either linking libpng and libjpeg. I will also just let security guys know that thats the case...
[10:10] <asac> right
[10:12] <stefanlsd> asac: cool. i'll have my license revision done by / on the weekend and will get persia to check.
[10:13] <asac> stefanlsd: thanks. let me know. do we have a bzr branch already? (sorry if i forgot)
[10:14] <stefanlsd> asac: yeah. im pulling from here - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rail/%2Bjunk/gears/
[10:31]  * gnomefreak hates when packages i need are removed/heldback
[11:00] <asac> fta: argh ... they bumped sqlite requirement on 1.9.0 branch :(
[11:00] <asac> without a bug even
[11:01] <asac> fta: http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsquery.cgi?treeid=default&module=all&branch=HEAD&branchtype=match&dir=&file=configure.in&filetype=match&who=&whotype=match&sortby=Date&hours=2&date=explicit&mindate=2009-04-01&maxdate=2009-04-19&cvsroot=%2Fcvsroot
[11:23] <fta2> asac, not even a bug number? :(
[11:23] <asac> yeah i found it though: mozilla bug 488710
[11:24] <asac> i backout the configure.in part for now ... lets see
[11:24] <asac> i am a bit scared about moving to system sqlite because there were a few hacks at some points in embedders wrt loading that lib
[11:25] <asac> fta2: anyway, hardy seems to have built ... maybe pocket copy the binaries to daily so we can see if the build system works?
[11:26] <asac> sigh i made the uds survey but seems i closed the tab at some point :(
[11:26] <asac> why doesnt ffox 3.6 ask me if i really want to close modified forms?
[11:29] <fta2> i'll wait for amd64, it's not done yet
[11:29] <asac> k
[11:30] <gnomefreak> asac: firefox uses hunspell right
[11:31]  * gnomefreak thinking no the more i think about it
[11:31] <asac> gnomefreak: it uses hunspell, yeah
[11:31] <gnomefreak> ok thanks
[11:31] <asac> (still)
[12:00] <asac> fta2: all ppa archs built
[12:31] <gnomefreak> asac: upstream firegpg has the FireGPGCall dir. commenting the clean section in debian/rules fix the build failure but now when building it makes an empty FireGPGCall dir. can you give me an idea on a more stable fix for this. here is the rules file http://pastebin.mozilla.org/654946
[12:32] <asac> gnomefreak: what did change upstream?
[12:32] <gnomefreak> MOZ_XPI_BUILD_COMMAND = make -C FireGPGCall/; cp FireGPGCall/*.xpt FireGPGCall/*.so components/; sh build.sh  i guess i can set that to default again from XPI_TEMPLATE but would like a clean rule
[12:32] <asac> please provide a diff of the too origs
[12:32] <gnomefreak> asac: i dont have the old one any more
[12:32] <gnomefreak> is there a way to get it out of PPA
[12:32] <asac> gnomefreak: grab it from archive
[12:33] <gnomefreak> asac: cant you never pushed it
[12:33] <asac> gnomefreak: yes, you can look for superseded builds
[12:33] <gnomefreak> k
[12:33] <asac> there the orig should still be avail
[12:33] <nhandler> asac: Could you please try and upload greasemonkey today for me? It is in lp:~ubuntu-dev/firefox-extensions/greasemonkey.ubuntu
[12:34] <asac> nhandler: you could commit to ubuntu-dev but cant upload?
[12:34] <nhandler> asac: I have the necessary permissions to upload, but I keep getting rejection emails
[12:35] <asac> nhandler: please paste the mail you get
[12:35] <asac> nhandler: please add a .bzr-builddeb/default.conf
[12:35] <asac> look at adblock-plus branch
[12:36] <asac> you can find the long revision id by running  bzr log -l --show-ids on the upstream branch
[12:36] <asac> err, you can find the long revision id by running  bzr log -l1 --show-ids on the upstream branch
[12:37] <gnomefreak> only way i found was to look at sucessful builds and there is no source just normal info https://edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/+archive/ppa/+build/773847
[12:37] <gnomefreak> one moment
[12:39] <asac> nhandler: are you on karmic?
[12:39] <nhandler> asac: No, jaunty
[12:40] <nhandler> asac: For the bzr log command, I thought we weren't using .upstream branches anymore, only .ubuntu.
[12:41] <asac> nhandler: yeah. so what happens is that it doesnt find the right tarball because its only in karmic
[12:41] <asac> how do you produce the tarball?
[12:42] <nhandler> asac: I tried downloading the one used in karmic using pull-lp-source
[12:42] <asac> nhandler: we have upstream branches. they are just inside the .ubuntu branch
[12:42] <asac> nhandler: if you look at bzr log you see the revisions merged in
[12:42] <asac> if you use that revision (e.g. 1.1.1) you will  get the upstream branch
[12:42] <asac> e.g. bzr branch -r 1.1.1 greasemonkey.ubuntu upstream
[12:42] <asac> will produce the upstream branch
[12:43] <asac> anyway. i will fix it now.
[12:43] <asac> also adding .bzr-builddeb
[12:43] <asac> look at bzr log --show-ids to see how to find the upstream revision i add there now
[12:44] <nhandler> Thanks asac. What is the .bzr-builddeb/default.conf for? Just to make it easier to build the package using bzr bd ?
[12:46] <asac> nhandler: if you use that it will automatically produce the orig.tar.gz from the branch. yes
[12:47] <asac> but you still have to take care that you got the right orig if its already in the archive
[12:47] <asac> i think for that we would need to do "merge upstream" instead
[12:47] <asac> have to experiment a bit before migrating bzr branches there
[12:49] <asac> nhandler: let me know if it failed again :)
[12:49] <asac> pushed
[12:50] <asac> nhandler: seems it got accepted ;)
[12:50] <nhandler> Thanks a lot asac. I'll take a look at the changes you made regarding bzr bd
[12:50] <nhandler> :)
[12:50] <asac> cool
[12:54] <nhandler> asac: Also, what is our current process for sending our extensions upstream to Debian?
[12:54] <asac> nhandler: we dont have a real process. if debian extension exists we should suggest them to use our approach. first i have to upload mozilla-devscripts though.
[12:56] <nhandler> asac: Should we go through mentors, the Debian VCS, or some other area?
[12:56] <gnomefreak> asac: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/654950 trying to get more info out of it
[12:56]  * nhandler wants to get his long-url-please extension added upstream
[12:58] <asac> nhandler: i will upload mozilla-devscripts
[12:58] <asac> nhandler: for packages that exist in debian we should file bugs
[12:59] <asac> for new packages we should consider to maintain our packages in debian and sync them to ubuntu
[13:01] <gnomefreak> asac: the best diff you could ask for :) http://getfiregpg.org/news.html
[13:03] <gnomefreak> they dont explain much do they
[13:03] <asac> gnomefreak: no ... make a diff locally using diff command
[13:03] <gnomefreak> asac: i gave you that output
[13:04] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak > asac: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/654950  trying to get more info out of it
[13:04] <asac> gnomefreak: make that recursively
[13:05] <gnomefreak> k
[13:05] <asac> diff -ru dir1 dir2
[13:07] <gnomefreak> ok working on pastebin ing it
[13:08]  * gnomefreak smoke while i wait. it seems to be huge
[13:08] <asac> lunch time ~1h
[13:08] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^
[13:08] <asac> so take your time ;)
[13:08] <gnomefreak> k
[13:21] <gnomefreak> damnit way too big for pastebin, i am compressing it and emailing it i hope
[13:32] <gnomefreak> fta2: bug 373167 is the link refered to there needed to use mozilla-thunderbird as a trans. package?
[13:33] <gnomefreak> i just commented on it. TBH i cant remember tbird anymore its been so damn long
[13:39] <fta2> no idea, i don't work on tb
[13:39] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[13:40] <fta2> asac, did you ever use caff? (to sign keys)
[13:40] <gnomefreak> i will ping asa*c about it if i remember
[13:40] <gnomefreak> hes at lunch
[13:49] <gnomefreak> asac: incase im not here when you get back (have 2 meetings today) i emailed you the tar.gz of the diff due to the size.
[14:24] <fta2> asac, just signed your key, let me know if you receive the 4 emails
[14:28] <asac> fta2: so which caff command did you use?
[14:28] <asac> for me the manpage was too much ;)
[14:29] <fta2> did it work?
[14:31] <fta2> asac, I added temporarily "default-cert-level 3" to my ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf (it's 0 by default), then created a ~/.caffrc with this in it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/187382/
[14:32] <fta2> then, just caff some_key
[14:32] <fta2> from the list
[14:35] <asac> fta2: ah. thought it would ask you for all keys in the special keyring
[14:35] <asac> somehow
[14:36] <asac> i will finish my lunch cooking and then check emails
[18:48] <fta> dtchen<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Deferred: Connection refused by fungus.sh.nu.
[19:33] <LaPingvino> asac ping, greetings for everybody else as well
[19:35] <LaPingvino> mmm asac could have put an "away"-sign on his nick...
[19:36] <asac> LaPingvino: what up?
[19:36] <LaPingvino> just a nudge about the language packs
[19:37] <LaPingvino> and when are you normally available? I hate it to come here and to speak to walls at arrival... :S
[19:37] <LaPingvino> how are you?
[19:37] <LaPingvino> oh and you won't see me most of the next two weeks as I will be in Brazil then ;)
[19:38] <asac> LaPingvino: usually here during european biz hours
[19:39] <LaPingvino> ah...
[19:39] <asac> but if you stay online i will answer when coming back ;)
[19:39] <LaPingvino> ah I see :)
[19:39] <LaPingvino> well that's all right then
[19:40] <asac> LaPingvino: what in particular about language packs?
[19:40] <LaPingvino> got to updating the languages in firefox ubuntu?
[19:40] <LaPingvino> you asked me before to nudge you about that
[19:40] <asac> LaPingvino: ah didnt that happen yet?
[19:40] <LaPingvino> that's where I ask about
[19:41] <LaPingvino> lemme check then
[19:41] <asac> i know that lang teams regular run langpack updates
[19:41] <asac> afaik i set everything up so that next time that happens all should be up to date
[19:42] <LaPingvino> great :)
[19:42] <LaPingvino> I will run a check (firefox with clean profile) to see whether esperanto is in it yet
[19:42] <asac> seems there was no update yet.
[19:42] <asac> LaPingvino: langpacks will first land here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/+archive/ppa
[19:42] <LaPingvino> ah great :)
[19:42] <asac> after two weeks they go to -proposed
[19:43] <asac> and from there to -updates
[20:15] <fta> asac, question..
[20:16] <fta> asac, chromium needs a special version of mpeg for its <video> tag
[20:16] <fta> asac, it's detected at runtime
[20:17] <fta> i can't use our system ffmpeg because it's not multi-threaded
[20:17] <fta> http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/deps/third_party/ffmpeg/README.chromium?view=markup
[20:17] <fta> the sources are not in my current tarball
[20:19] <fta> so the question is, should i a/ get http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/deps/third_party/ffmpeg/ unpack & build that, or b/ fetch the git snapshots from the readme and bundle that in my tarball, or c/ create 2 new packages
[20:19] <fta> asac, ^^
[20:50] <jcastro> fta: did you see their first cut at the bookmark manager landed today for chromium?
[20:50] <fta> hm, nope
[20:50] <fta> i saw the 1st part of the option dialog a few days ago
[20:51] <jcastro> http://codereview.chromium.org/118150
[20:51] <jcastro> yeah I saw that too
[20:51] <fta> landed in r17489
[20:52] <jcastro> where can you tell that?
[20:52] <fta> Committed: http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome?view=rev&revision=17489
[20:53] <jcastro> ah
[20:53] <fta> i have r17485
[20:53] <fta> damn
[20:53] <fta> close
[20:55] <jcastro> fta: do you have your build script up someplace? I'd like to mess with it
[20:55] <fta> i'm still fighting with my quota in that ppa so i can't push anything faster
[20:55] <BUGabundo> hi guys
[20:55] <jcastro> lame
[20:55] <fta> jcastro, build script?
[20:55] <jcastro> fta: what you use to push to that ppa
[20:56] <jcastro> fta: have you talked to celso about the quotas?
[20:56] <fta> jcastro, the bot maintaining all the dailies or the chromium thing?
[20:56] <jcastro> just the chromium thing
[20:56] <fta> everything is in the branch
[20:56] <jcastro> ah? cool.
[20:57] <fta> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/chromium-browser.head
[20:58] <jcastro> got it
[20:58] <fta> good luck :)
[20:59] <jcastro> :)
[21:13] <fta> asac, well, i'll go for a/
[21:18] <fta> jcastro, bug 381296
[21:20] <BUGabundo> oh its now a bug
[21:20] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:21] <BUGabundo> so Answer as not enough
[21:21] <stefanlsd> asac: gears has a few files with header information such as - // Copyright 2006 Google Inc. All Rights Reserved. and no license information .persia says those are not shippable
[21:21] <fta> BUGabundo, re-read the last answer
[21:21] <fta> stefanlsd, same in chromium
[21:22] <stefanlsd> fta: heh. great!  google sucks :)
[21:23] <BUGabundo> stefanlsd: +1
[21:24] <asac> stefanlsd: how about filing a bug upstream for those files?
[21:25] <stefanlsd> asac: will do. i did file one about the modifications they do to libaries a while ago. heard nothing. I dont think upstream is particulary concerned.
[21:25] <asac> stefanlsd: well. licensing should be easy enough to fix
[21:25] <BUGabundo> ahah
[21:26] <asac> stefanlsd: if the top level license file explicitly states that everything is licensed that way it might be ok imo
[21:26] <asac> fta: yeah. sounds bad though. why cant we build multi threaded ffmpeg in system libs?
[21:26] <fta> asac, it's a different branch of ffmpeg, a fark
[21:26] <fta> fork
[21:28] <asac> who maintains that fork?
[21:28] <asac> where is that hosted? in the ffmpeg repositories?
[21:28] <fta> http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/deps/third_party/ffmpeg/README.chromium?revision=16648
[21:30] <fta> and google just provides this http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/deps/third_party/ffmpeg/  it's not part of the chromium source tree (i.e. not trunk/src)
[21:30] <stefanlsd> asac: structure looks like..             debian,  gears,  third_party.          gears/COPYING is the top level for gears. Problem here is third_party/npapi/nphostapi.h  (doesnt seem to have a top level - unless gears/COPYING would be (im quite sure the file is under the same bsd style license as the rest of gears, although it doesnt say explicitly)
[21:33] <asac> gitorious ... sigh
[21:33] <asac> fta: does chromium not support gstreamer?
[21:34] <fta> hm, i don't think so
[21:34] <asac> would be much better than ffmpeg
[21:44] <fta> asac, well, even mozilla didn't choose gstreamer. i remember a bug about that but they went with direct asound+vorbis
[21:48] <BUGabundo> fta: the only way to run gwiber
[21:48] <BUGabundo> $ watch -n 10 gwibber
[21:48] <asac> fta: yeah. at least they didnt pull in a full ffmpeg ;)
[21:49] <fta> sort of, just packed
[21:49] <fta> BUGabundo, fix it
[21:49] <BUGabundo> fta: I know nothing about python
[21:50] <fta> BUGabundo, neither do i
[21:50] <LaPingvino> I do know at least a bit about it...
[21:50] <BUGabundo> and my last two segfault bugs are still to be triaged :\
[21:50] <BUGabundo> hey LaPingvino
[21:50] <BUGabundo> ou alias, olá LaPingvino
[21:50] <LaPingvino> hehe
[21:51] <LaPingvino> faca oq quer ;)
[21:51] <BUGabundo> s/faca/faça/
[21:52] <LaPingvino> não tenho isso :(
[21:52] <LaPingvino> ã sim, mas essa c não
[21:52] <LaPingvino> tá bem?
[21:53] <LaPingvino> eu sei muito bem que tenho que usar isso assim
[21:54] <BUGabundo> no prob LaPingvino, I though you wouldn't ....
[21:54] <LaPingvino> :P
[21:54] <LaPingvino> obrigado :)
[21:55] <LaPingvino> tudo bem a ca?
[21:56] <BUGabundo> LaPingvino: lets talk in English
[21:56] <BUGabundo> don't want to mess with ppl heads again
[21:56] <LaPingvino> Okay :)
[21:57] <BUGabundo> feel free to open a PVT too
[21:57] <fta> jcastro, any success? ;)
[21:58] <jcastro> fta: still checking out, hahah
[21:58] <jcastro> ridiculous
[21:58] <fta> yep, it's huge
[21:58] <fta> doing me best to strip it down, but well, there's no magic
[22:00] <fta> -rw-r--r-- 1 fta fta 196883994 2009-06-03 22:59 chromium-browser_<IP_ADDRESS>~svn20090603r17528.orig.tar.gz
[22:00] <fta> it was 351 MB+ a few days ago
[22:12] <fta> jcastro, what do you want to try with chromium?
[22:12] <fta> btw, what was that channel renaming thing about?
[22:14]  * BUGabundo This channel is now know as #Ubuntu-browserteam
[22:14] <BUGabundo> s/know/known
[22:18] <fta> Jun  3 22:11:19 cube sm-mta[16790]: STARTTLS=client, relay=master.debian.org., version=TLSv1/SSLv3, verify=FAIL, cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA, bits=256/256
[22:18] <fta> i wonder if it's possible to find the debian cert somewhere
[22:30] <jcastro> fta: I wanted to try that browser stuff
[22:30] <jcastro> er, bookmark stuff I mean
[22:31] <asac> fta: checkout db.debian.org/machines.cgi
[22:31] <asac> http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi?host=master
[22:31] <fta> jcastro, if i can finish that video tag thing today, i'll bump the ppa manually
[22:31] <jcastro> cool
[22:32] <asac> hmm. seems there is only ssh key on it
[22:32] <jcastro> what video tag thing, the ffmpeg-mt thing?
[22:32] <fta> yes
[22:32] <fta> to support <video> and <audio>, like in ff 3.5/3.6
[22:32] <jcastro> neat
[22:32] <asac> fta: whats the idea? build a real lib package out of it?
[22:34] <fta> asac, so far, no, i will build it along with chromium. i don't have a better option
[23:31] <dtchen> fta: WRT crimsun@fungus: domain was hijacked
[23:31] <fta> dtchen, ?
[23:32] <dtchen> 13:48 #ubuntu-mozillateam: ( fta) dtchen<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Deferred: Connection refused by fungus.sh.nu.
[23:32] <fta> yes
[23:32] <fta> and?
[23:33] <dtchen> fta: sh.nu was hijacked, and the original host (rightly) refuses to pay 300 euro/yr to regain it
[23:33] <fta> oh, ok.
[23:34] <fta> just got that after i signed your gpg key. i don't mind, it will stop bouncing eventually
[23:35] <fta> dtchen, ^^, you should remove/revoke that email from your key
[23:35] <dtchen> fta: done locally already
[23:38] <fta> you're not alone to bounce. some @debian.org emails too. 451 Could not complete sender verify callout
[23:38] <fta> strangely, not all
[23:40] <fta> dtchen, asac: you should sign too. do your part ;)


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[10:01] <hrw> morning
[10:02] <hrw> guruprasad: new account created ('marcin-juszkiewicz') and login.launchpad.net login fine, review.opendev.org gets sso details fine. Launchpad.net says  (Error ID: OOPS-8f34833502a7dad592c13223db341508) after login
[10:18] <guruprasad> hrw, I see that there are two accounts associated with your email address. One is a placeholder account and the other is an old account that is deactivated. I see that you have posted a status change comment about locking this account out and creating a new one.
[10:18] <guruprasad> Can you give me more details about what you are trying to do here?
[10:19] <hrw> guruprasad: yes. removing emails required login
[10:19] <hrw> guruprasad: I forgot to handle 2FA stuff so old account is not accessible. I need LP account for openstack work so created new one
[10:20] <guruprasad> hrw, so you created a new account with the same email address as the deactivated account?
[10:20] <hrw> login.launchpad uses different one
[10:20] <hrw> but I have<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as one of emails on both accounts
[10:22] <guruprasad> hrw, is this the email address used in the login form?
[10:22] <hrw> no
[10:23] <hrw> old login uses<EMAIL_ADDRESS>new one is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:34] <guruprasad> hrw, can you also give me more details on how your old account was deactivated after you lost the 2FA methods?
[10:35] <hrw> guruprasad: I opened launchpad.net/~hrw in web browser and turned out that I was not logged out there (while logged out on login.launchpad.net)
[10:36] <hrw> guruprasad: removed irc handles, was not able to remove email addresses (login required) so clicked account deactivation
[10:37] <hrw> guruprasad: I mostly use login.launchpad.net as SSO for gerrit.opendev.org rather than to login to launchpad.net
[10:47] <guruprasad> hrw, I am checking with my team to find out how we can resolve your issue.
[11:01] <cjwatson> hrw: I've met you in the past - would you be willing to have a quick video call to verify your identity?  I'd then need to talk with an SSO admin colleague to clear the 2FA requirement, which would take a bit longer, but I think that might still be the simplest path forward
[11:06] <hrw> cjwatson: ok
[12:34] <mdeslaur> Hrm, I'm getting "Can't exec "dpkg-scanpackages": No such file or directory at -e line 23." trying to build on hirsute i386...
[12:34] <mdeslaur> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/573823697/buildlog_ubuntu-hirsute-i386.samba_2%3A4.13.14+dfsg-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_BUILDING.txt.gz
[12:35] <cjwatson> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[12:35] <cjwatson>   build-essential* dpkg-dev* libdpkg-perl* perl*
[12:35] <cjwatson> From further up in the log
[12:35] <cjwatson> Looks like the perl-base in http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-security-proposed/ppa/ubuntu conflicts with stuff
[12:35] <cjwatson> Maybe an incomplete perl transition in that PPA?
[12:36] <mdeslaur> hrm, I don't see anything perl related for hirsute in there
[12:37] <cjwatson> Seems to have been deleted, odd
[12:37] <cjwatson> But maybe only partially deleted?
[12:38] <cjwatson> https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-security-proposed/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=perl&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=hirsute
[12:38] <cjwatson> I suspect what happened is that it was deleted before all the builds finished
[12:38] <mdeslaur> Deleted on 2021-12-08
[12:38] <mdeslaur> hrm
[12:38] <mdeslaur> my package is newly-uploaded
[12:39] <mdeslaur> cjwatson: oh, I see what you mean
[12:39] <cjwatson> Running "remove-package -A ppa:ubuntu-security-proposed/ubuntu/ppa -s hirsute -m 'repeating deletion due to builds racing with previous deletion' -e 5.32.1-3ubuntu2.2 perl" or similar and waiting for publication should fix it
[12:40] <mdeslaur> cjwatson: thanks, I'll give that a try
[12:40] <cjwatson> When "curl -H 'Pragma: no-cache' -s http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-security-proposed/ppa/ubuntu/dists/hirsute/main/binary-i386/Packages.xz | xzcat | grep-dctrl -PX perl" returns nothing you can retry the build
[12:42] <mdeslaur> great, thanks for the help
[17:53] <hrw> cjwatson: Thanks a lot! Logged in
[18:13] <cjwatson> hrw: Yay
[19:07] <realtime-neil> If my coworkers want https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/draco backported to focal in a hurry, then how can I help them? I was considering `./copy-package --from=ubuntu --from-suite=jammy --to=ppa:realtime-robotics/ubuntu/draco --to-suite=focal` (and hoping for the best) but I'm open to suggestions.
[21:14] <cjwatson> realtime-neil: Copying forward often works, but copying backward less so, since it's less common for binaries built against newer libraries to work with older libraries than the other way round.  Using backportpackage(1) from ubuntu-dev-tools is usually a better place to start.
[21:39] <realtime-neil> cjwatson: oh, that's neat. how do I tell backportpackage to upload to a PPA of my choosing?
[21:40] <realtime-neil> cjwatson: whoops disregard
[21:40] <realtime-neil> just found the example in the man page


[02:39] <ivotkl> Hello. I am using tuxguitar for learning some music pieces and I haven o sound. I have already tried switching on mixer the different audio outputs + installed timidity.
[02:39] <ivotkl> Done, sorry.
[02:39] <ivotkl> Forgot to enable Timidity on TuxGuitar settings. =$
[02:44] <pocon> can anyone help me calibrate a cintiq on studio 12.10?
[04:55] <magic_silver_box> i have to calibrate the why doesn’t my soundcard work even a little
[04:56] <magic_silver_box> in 12.04
[04:56] <magic_silver_box> needs some fine tuning
[04:57] <holstein> magic_silver_box: ?
[04:57] <holstein> !audio
[04:57] <smartboyhw> holstein: You really like factoids:P
[04:58] <magic_silver_box> hurrr
[04:58] <smartboyhw> magic_silver_box: ?
[04:59] <magic_silver_box> the part that needs subtle tweaking is the my soundcard doesn’t even show up in the menu when i try to select a device
[04:59] <magic_silver_box> driver snd-layla24 loaded
[04:59] <magic_silver_box> added in /etc/modules
[05:00] <magic_silver_box> i should get on here on the other puter using xchat if we’re actually going to talk about this, and also maybe i’ll fine-tune my don’t talk like a sarcastic douche to people who want to help
[05:01] <magic_silver_box> right now i’m checking to be sure it’s not somehow disabled in bios
[05:02] <magic_silver_box> i’m guessing that “onboard ac97 audio controller” is for the crappy built-in soundcard thing on my motherboard, and i can leave it disabled?
[05:02] <magic_silver_box> like it is
[05:04] <holstein> magic_silver_box: if that is the only card you have, you should enable it, other wise, it wont shot
[05:04] <holstein> show*
[05:05] <magic_silver_box> yeah the mobo has the dumb built-in audio thing that i don’t want to use, and the card i do want to use is an echo layla24 pci card/breakout box
[05:05] <magic_silver_box> 8in/8out card
[05:05] <magic_silver_box> it did work with two outputs before i reinstalled ubuntu studio, hoping maybe it would magically work on all 8, but now it doesn’t even show up in menus
[05:06] <magic_silver_box> there is no audio device available
[05:06] <magic_silver_box> my midi interface shows up fine with all 8 ins and 8 outs (emagic unitor8 mk2)
[05:06] <magic_silver_box> usb
[05:07] <magic_silver_box> i don’t really know what to do because i am quite new to linux
[05:08] <holstein> magic_silver_box: i would anable the onboard audio.. use it to get used to JACK... then go to the card that is either challening or impossible to support
[05:08] <magic_silver_box> oh that is another thing, jack won’t even start, is that normal when there is no device available?
[05:09] <holstein> magic_silver_box: what are you wanting to do?
[05:09] <magic_silver_box> i want to run renoise tracker and some kind of multitracker/daw
[05:09] <magic_silver_box> i want to use an 8in/8out soundcard and 8in/8out midi interface
[05:09] <magic_silver_box> to make tRaXXXXxxxXXXxXxxXxxxxxXXX
[05:10] <magic_silver_box> i need all the audio i/o because i have weird production methods that require it, and i need all the midi i/o because i have a lot of gear
[05:10] <holstein> magic_silver_box: i have 10in and out
[05:10] <magic_silver_box> sweets
[05:10] <magic_silver_box> all on one card right?
[05:10] <holstein> magic_silver_box: i unerstand.. what you should do is use the internal card to get used to
[05:10] <holstein> magic_silver_box: yes
[05:11] <magic_silver_box> which, and did it take any work to get it going?
[05:11] <magic_silver_box> how do you like it etc
[05:11] <holstein> magic_silver_box: ?
[05:11] <holstein> magic_silver_box: of course it takes work
[05:11] <magic_silver_box> which audio interface do you have?
[05:11] <holstein> i have a presonus firebod
[05:11] <magic_silver_box> sounds expensive
[05:11] <magic_silver_box> !
[05:12] <holstein> magic_silver_box: you can search if you are interested.. should be around $300 US now
[05:13] <magic_silver_box> nah i can’t spend more moneys
[05:14] <magic_silver_box> well maybe i’ll enable the other thing to see if jack will work them
[05:14] <magic_silver_box> then
[05:14] <magic_silver_box> brb
[05:15] <holstein> magic_silver_box: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-Echo_Corporation
[05:23] <silverb0x> hej
[05:24] <silverb0x> so the onboard audio works
[05:24] <silverb0x> made a silly drum pattern in hydrogen, opened alsamixer, unmuted it, heard sound
[05:24] <silverb0x> jack won't start
[05:25] <silverb0x> not sure if i should paste 15 lines of text about that
[05:28] <holstein> !proaduio | silverb0x
[05:28] <holstein> !proaudio
[05:34] <silverb0x> wow in the qjacktlgil "connect" windows there are no readable clients listed
[05:34] <holstein> silverb0x: relax
[05:34] <silverb0x> DIFFICULT
[05:35] <holstein> silverb0x: make sure jack is not running in the background
[05:35] <holstein> silverb0x: close *everything*
[05:35] <holstein> open qjackctl
[05:35] <holstein> click "run" and report errors
[05:35] <silverb0x> mind if i paste a bunch of text?
[05:35] <holstein> yes
[05:35] <holstein> !paste | silverb0x
[05:36] <silverb0x> you mean hit start right?
[05:36] <holstein> silverb0x: ?
[05:36] <holstein> silverb0x: close *everything*
[05:37] <holstein> silverb0x: make sure JACK is not running in the background
[05:37] <holstein> ps aux or reboot. or killall jackd or whatever
[05:37] <holstein> open qjackctl... click "start" and report errors
[05:38] <silverb0x> everything closed except xchat
[05:38] <silverb0x> i did kill jackd, killall qjackctl, no processes found
[05:38] <silverb0x> opening qjackeirttltatl
[05:39] <silverb0x> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5706849/
[05:40] <holstein> silverb0x: paste in from the messages window please
[05:41] <silverb0x> that url is it
[05:41] <holstein> silverb0x: thats from the terminal, correct?
[05:42] <silverb0x> nah from the messages window in qjakceltl
[05:42] <holstein> silverb0x: sudo adduser "yourusername" audio
[05:42] <silverb0x> oh oK hold on
[05:43] <silverb0x> The user `magic_silver_box' is already a member of `audio'.
[05:43] <holstein> ok...
[05:43] <holstein> did you read...
[05:43] <holstein> !proaudio
[05:44] <silverb0x> yes
[05:49] <silverb0x> be back later, thank you for your helpfulness
[05:51] <smartboyhw> holstein, I wonder: do you do Ubuntu Studio support on the Ubuntu Forums?
[05:51] <holstein> smartboyhw: very seldom
[05:51] <smartboyhw> holstein, oh.
[05:51] <holstein> smartboyhw: i  try from time to time
[05:51] <smartboyhw> zequence, hmm they only give you the mod:P
[08:52] <tete_> good morning, can someone help me with my problem from yesterday? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5705448/
[08:53] <SunStar> i know nothing of jack, while you wait you can try #jack
[08:54] <SunStar> or some one in #opensourcemusicians might know a lil something
[08:55] <tete_> ok
[09:13] <tete_> there are 2 packages: jackd and jackd2 - where jackd is version 5 and jackd2 is <IP_ADDRESS> - is this correct?
[09:13] <tete_> because the description is more or less the same - both are servers
[09:13] <smartboyhw> tete_, yep
[09:13] <smartboyhw> jackd2 is the newer one.
[09:14] <tete_> hm ok so thats not the problem when both are installed
[09:14] <tete_> right?
[09:15] <smartboyhw> tete_, no.
[09:15] <smartboyhw> We include both in all our images.
[09:22] <tete_> i started it now with: alsa_in -j Gitarre -d hw:1 -q 1
[09:22] <tete_> that works
[09:22] <tete_> based on this tutorial: http://www.gruentlich.de/tag/guitarix/
[13:45] <c4rt0m4nci3n> ola
[13:51] <cfhowlett> c4rt0m4nci3n, greetings
[13:52] <smartboyhw> cfhowlett, c4rt0m4nci3n hello.
[16:41] <Rockbert> hi
[16:41] <Rockbert> ci sono utenti italiani?
[16:45] <smartboyhw> !it | Rockbert
[16:46] <Rockbert> thank you :)
[16:47] <smartboyhw> Rockbert: My pleasure :)
[20:58] <studio-user252> hi
[20:58] <studio-user252> is therer anyone could help me with an install issue
[20:58] <studio-user252> ?
[21:01] <studio-user252> my computer is stucked on "file system search" for a long time
[21:01] <studio-user252> could I force the shout down?
[21:03] <holstein> studio-user252: what would i do? wait a while... if its been a while (an hour) then i would force shutdown and test hardware and the iso
[21:04] <studio-user252> I think is more than 1 hour... it was at that point before I had dinner
[21:04] <studio-user252> it's not a problem for the hdd if I force the shout down now?
[21:04] <holstein> studio-user252: i dont install *anything* during the install
[21:04] <SunStar> it'll survive
[21:05] <studio-user252> I hope!
[21:05] <SunStar> it will
[21:05] <holstein> studio-user252: will you break the hard drive? likely not.. though forcing power off like that is a risk... but, theres nothing else to do about it
[21:05] <studio-user252> thank you very much! :)
[21:05] <holstein> studio-user252: are you in the live environment?
[21:06] <studio-user252> ehm... I really don't now... I'm new to ubuntu! :P
[21:06] <studio-user252> what you mean for live environment?
[21:06] <studio-user252> the os pre loaded?
[21:07] <studio-user252> I think not
[21:07] <studio-user252> there's only the desktop immage
[21:07] <holstein> studio-user252: what are you using to install?
[21:07] <SunStar> are you running from the CD / USB
[21:07] <studio-user252> and the window with the install progress and slideshow
[21:07] <holstein> !tty
[21:08] <holstein> you might get to tty and shutdown.. force shutdown.. or a terminal
[21:08] <holstein> i would try cancelling, and/or shutting down
[21:08] <holstein> i just install.. i dont install upgrades during the installation
[21:09] <studio-user252> maybe I flagged for the updates, but nothing said "upgrades"
[21:09] <studio-user252> so if I use alt+f7 I'll be back to the init?
[21:09] <holstein> studio-user252: updates/upgrades... whatever
[21:10] <studio-user252> ok, sorry
[21:10] <studio-user252> :)
[21:10] <holstein> studio-user252: its just a suggestion.. just hold the power button down if you want
[21:10] <studio-user252> eh eh eh, maybe it' true
[21:10] <studio-user252> shouting down!
[21:10] <studio-user252> bye!
[21:10] <studio-user252> :)
[21:10] <holstein> i would try the power button.. control alt delete... sudo halt or sudo shutdown -h now from the terminal or tty
[21:11] <holstein> then, just hold the power button down


[02:47] <MTecknology> dbungert: Were you able to also replicate the disk overwrite prompt when autoinstall is provided?
[02:52] <dbungert> MTecknology: security or all> yea, those are the options, sorry.  overwrite prompt> I do a lot of autoinstall testing and I haven't seen that prompt in a long time except when I expect to.  This one is not at all clear to me.  All I can think of is to confirm on the system being installed that it's actually there?  Quoting issues somehow?
[02:53] <MTecknology> I'm still typing out that line by hand on each installation attempt. I could be mistyping autoinstall, but I'd have to be doing it quite consistently
[02:53] <MTecknology> everything else seems to work as-if it's an autoinstall ...
[02:55] <MTecknology> dbungert: How much of your daily usage requires the user providing at least one piece of information but otherwise using autoinstall?
[02:59] <dbungert> much less common.  I'm usually testing something related to interactive behavior if I'm doing that.  Usually I automate everything so I can tab to the next window until test results are ready.
[02:59] <MTecknology> I /want/ to automate everything except the hostname ...
[02:59] <MTecknology> this installer doesn't seem to support that :(
[02:59] <dbungert> it's a solid feature request
[03:01] <MTecknology> I still don't understand what actual issue this was meant to resolve in the first place. For all these added bugs/issues, what actual benefit is there?
[03:06] <MTecknology> dbungert: To be clear ... that's not even "a prompt for just the hostname" ... that would be lovely, but adding that specific extra step to documentation is easy enough -> "You must provide matching passwords, but this value is unused; provide 'a' for each field."   The problem is that the other bugs keep the rest from working the way it's supposed to.
[03:08] <MTecknology> I'm also still having weird issues when I remove systemd-timesyncd as well. It gets flagged as removing a critical system package, even though that's definitely not critical and that's the *only* removal happening in that apt command.
[15:58] <znf> I keep wondering why did Ubuntu 22.04 change locale time to 12 hours time instead of 24 hours like it used to be in 20.04 and below
[16:06] <rbasak> znf: it depends on your locale setting. I'm not aware that there's a general change here. Are you sure you don't have a different locale setting to before?
[16:06] <znf> Very aware
[16:07] <znf> All my servers since at least 12.04 had en_US.UTF-8 set everywhere
[16:07] <znf> And suddenly the 22.04 locale changed it to 12 hour time
[16:07] <znf> There's a more thorough explanation/demo here: https://askubuntu.com/a/1500471
[16:14] <rbasak> The US uses 12 hour time though?
[16:14] <rbasak> If you don't want that, change your time locale to something else?
[16:19] <rbasak> Here's the change:
[16:19] <rbasak> https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/tree/localedata/locales/en_US#n123
[16:19] <rbasak> "At the end of 2018 it was adjusted to use 12H time (bug 24046) instead of 24H."
[16:19] -ubottu:#ubuntu-server- Bug 24046 in evolution (Ubuntu) "After upgrade, evolution frecuently crashes when sending email" [Medium, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24046
[16:20] <rbasak> (2018 upstream - it'd take some time to filter through to an Ubuntu release)
[16:21] <rbasak> Here's the upstream bug that resulted in the change: https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=24046
[16:21] -ubottu:#ubuntu-server- sourceware.org bug 24046 in glibc "en_US locale doesn't define date_fmt" [Normal, Resolved: Fixed]
[16:23] <znf> yeah, I do understand that it got changed because the US is 12 usually
[16:23] <znf> Just slightly annoying to fix a bug after 20+ years
[16:57] <sebokie> hello, on Ubuntu server 22.04.4 LTS the settings in /etc/hdparm.conf are not applied upon boot, what do I have to do to have them applied?
[21:03] <MTecknology> WTH? Which setting keeps causing my display to blank every few minutes?!
[21:08] <MTecknology> It feels like the terminal blanking timeout is getting into X, although I have absolutely no clue which setting it actually is. All the screensaver and other settings I can find are set to at least half an hour.
[22:22] <rfm> MTecknology, the settings that seem to get me are the X dpms (Power Management)  I seem to have to enable dpms but set all the timers to 0.
[22:33] <MTecknology> rfm: Thanks!! It was enabled, so I'm super hopeful that this is it. :D
[23:08] <MTecknology> Interesting; after running "xset s off -dpms" and sitting for a while, I lost the ability to provide keyboard input and it was like the up arrow was stuck down, except none of the typical fixes worked and I had to hold the power button 30 seconds
[23:08] <MTecknology> also ... when did the default change to 30 seconds??
[23:08] <MTecknology> s/default/delay/
[23:10] <trippeh> I've had it go to 30 seconds or so a few times, ignoring the gnome control panel setting, reboot "fixed" it
[23:13]  * MTecknology is using cinnamon
[23:14] <MTecknology> Which setting is that? (where is it found?)
[23:14] <trippeh> power -> screen blank
[23:15] <MTecknology> Ah, that might be Power > Turn off the screen when inactive for:
[23:15] <MTecknology> I have both power and battery set to never
[23:15] <trippeh> there is def a bug somewhere


[23:34] <nacc> ghostnik11: that is, boot the installer usb and modify the kernel cmdline in grub
[23:37] <ghostnik11> nacc: okay, i just made like so many edits. because i had to tell it what correct wifi driver to use via terminal. i had to change the ucm files to get audio working and now this. okay i will shut it off and do that right away before i boot it while in grub. and this freeze wont afect the 32gb mmcblk hard disk? like will it give it errors since it froze while installing grub?
[23:38] <nacc> ghostnik11: that i do not know. I don't think it should, no.
[23:39] <ghostnik11> nacc: okay cool
[23:39] <joan_> Good evening, sorry to get in like that, but I wish to ask you a question: I have an Nvidia Geforce 630M in a laptop Toshiba Satellite. Following Nvidia technicians' advice I upgraded my BIOS, and installed a GPU detector in W7. It didn't detect my GPU. However, in Ubuntu I type 'sudo lshw -C video' and it appears there. Is this normal even if my GPU was dead, or the fact that I see that means that my GPU is alive (even if in W7 is not
[23:39] <joan_> visible)? Thanks very much
[23:48] <hdon> hi all :) activity monitor's CPU graph is no longer useful to me with core count rising. i'd be much morei nterested in: a graph of a single value telling me how utilized all of my cores are taken as a whole, and a single graph telling me how many processes were CPU-bottlenecked. is there such a thing?


[08:55] <markus_d> How would I start kate in root modus?
[08:55] <hateball> markus_d: kdesudo kate
[08:55] <hateball> markus_d: do not ever run GUI using only sudo, that has the potential to break things
[08:56] <markus_d> Executing Kate as root is not possible. To edit files as root use:
[08:56] <markus_d> SUDO_EDITOR=kate sudoedit <file>
[08:56] <markus_d> weird
[08:57] <hateball> might be to prevent breaking
[08:57] <hateball> markus_d: just learn to use nano or some other cli editor :p
[08:57] <markus_d> I use nano on the command line while connected via ssh
[08:57] <markus_d> But on my desktop machine I want a graphical editor
[08:58] <markus_d> I have no clue what the response above want to tell me
[08:59] <markus_d> SUDO_EDITOR is a constant?
[08:59] <hateball> it sets the variable SUDO_EDITOR as kate
[09:00] <hateball> and then runs the command sudoedit against whatever file you want to edit
[09:00] <hateball> ugh, meeting time
[10:08] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:27] <markus_d> Its just not possible to run kate in root mode. Great changes :(
[10:29] <hateball> markus_d: sure it is
[10:29] <hateball> just has certain requirements
[10:29] <hateball> cant be a world writable/readable location etc
[10:29] <hateball> markus_d: SUDO_EDITOR=kate sudoedit /etc/hello.txt
[10:30] <hateball> that should work just fine
[10:32] <markus_d> sudoedit gives me the error that I cannot do that in a writable directory
[10:32] <markus_d> wtf?!?!?
[10:33] <markus_d> Can I turn that behavior off? I mean its my machine isn't it?
[10:34] <markus_d> I also want to browse my system files with kate. Like this that would be impossible, right?
[10:37] <oerheks> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376624
[10:42] <acheronuk> yes, kate has kauth integration for saving to protected files since ktexteditor in frameworks 5.34. you just get a dialogue asking for auth
[10:44] <markus_d> Stupid me. Thanks. This works
[10:58] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:30] <markus_d> When I try to setup Instant messaging (Google Account) it just crashes
[11:30] <markus_d> userActionFinished error: 2
[11:37] <gianni> Hi, since update-apt-xapi is draining all my resources on every start-up, is there a way to disable it?
[18:05] <qwip> BluesKaj: what font do you use in kde?
[18:10] <BluesKaj> qwip, dejavu sans
[18:10] <qwip> BluesKaj: for gnome? or kde?
[18:11] <BluesKaj> both
[18:12] <qwip> BluesKaj: thanks
[19:36] <BluesKaj> Hi Sick_Rimmit
[20:22] <Proletario> Does the actual 17.10 distro include the fix so as not to affect the bios of Lenovo and Acer computers?
[20:24] <krytarik> !intel-spi
[20:35] <Proletario> ok, thanks
[20:43] <acheronuk> Proletario: download links have been updated on https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/ to point to the respun ISOs as well
[20:45] <dax> some of the flavors have, some haven't. main ubuntu site hasn't. kubuntu shines, as usual ;)
[23:15] <lluix> hello all. Is there a channel where I can get help for VLC video convertion?
[23:18] <krytarik> !alis | lluix
[23:20] <dax> there is #videolan, i have no idea whether it's a support channel
[23:27] <lluix> Hello Krytarik
[23:28] <lluix> Hey Dax , Ive tried in there but everyone was dead there, no response
[23:28] <lluix> Iḿ going nutts hier
[23:41] <lluix> Good night guys ;)


[02:14] <wingarmac> Can someone help with this? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sGKdV8GNxd/
[02:15] <wingarmac> I've reinstalled both hosts, and it works a while, then again that message.
[02:18] <wingarmac> patdk-lap You were right about the TTY seats, I had to see how to set these manualy to understand its mechanism on lightdm.
[02:22] <sarnold> wingarmac: it looks a bit like you're 'sitting at' the ubcynt host, and you're trying to connect to the ubns host. you've created a private/public key pair on ubns, and then never use it. presumably one of those 'nano /etc/ssh/sshd_config' commands is disabling password authenitcation, but then you try to use password authentication to log in again
[02:23] <sarnold> wingarmac: the usual process is to make your ssh keypair on your LOCAL computer, and then copy the *public* portion of the keypair to the REMOTE ~/.ssh/authorized_keys  (use the ssh-copy-id command to make this less annoying)
[02:24] <sarnold> wingarmac: after you've got the public key installed in the remote host's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file you can disable password authentication
[02:33] <wingarmac> sarnold, I just did solve it, by copy/paste the cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub on ubns with echo ssh-rsa ****** wingarmac@ubcynt >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[02:33] <sarnold> wingarmac: and did you make sure the permissions were correct? sshd is very picky about the permissions on the file and directory, too :)
[02:34] <wingarmac> ssh-copy-id command didn't work, as long as I'm refused.
[02:34] <sarnold> yeah, you'd have to fix that up first, hehe
[02:35] <sarnold> it's usually considered a bad idea to have the private key stored on multiple computers at once, though actual key management on multiple machines is a challenge.
[02:37] <wingarmac> I've 2 real hosts and 3 virtual hosts I try to maintain alone. It's sometimes overwhelming even if only for my own usage. any advice on hos to manage these keys in such context is welcome.
[02:43] <MTecknology> It sounds like the best place to start is some intro to linux documentation that gets you familiar with some of the basics. I think tldp is a decent place to start.
[02:45] <wingarmac> between access rights for files and ssh for me and/or for services I get lost quiet often. MTecknology You're probably right, but I do remind better when by practice. As I do not always understand how it is explained.
[02:47] <wingarmac> Even so, I did find the solution to apply myself. And find therefor explanations that I could understand well on DigitalOcean and that worked out with this last issue.
[02:47] <MTecknology> There's a difference between learning and clicking what you're told; "learn best by practice" usually means something along the lines of someone else doing the learning for you.
[02:48] <wingarmac> I have an analogy to make you understand my insight: when you take on a find, you have no time to think, it has to be instinctive. That's how I do my job ;)
[02:49] <wingarmac> 'a fight'
[02:49] <MTecknology> "click wildly and hope something works"
[02:50] <wingarmac> nope, as you do not slash anywhere when you fight neither
[02:50]  * MTecknology re-recommends tldp and walks away
[02:50] <wingarmac> what is tldp ?
[02:56] <sarnold> the linux documentation project
[02:56] <sarnold> back in the 90s it was amazing; probably pieces have bitrotted over the years but it's still a pretty good starting point
[02:58] <wingarmac> The situation highlights the difference in learning styles. You prefer learning by doing ("kinesthetic learning"), while MTechnology might favor explanations first. This led to a communication gap. I'm sorry for that.
[03:00] <sarnold> there's certainly space for both :) we've just seen too many people blindly apply "chmod 777" to a permissions issue because they don't understand what they're working on, and I suspect that MTecknology is worried that you might be copying the private key around to all these machines, and thus making them basically one big transitive trust mess :)
[03:02] <MTecknology> "suspect that MTecknology is worried" .. partly that, but more generally, that's the attitude that leads to blindly copy/pasting/running commands that pipe some random script off the internet into sudo
[03:04] <wingarmac> These tests where applied on freshly installed ubuntu servers, with my files safeguarded. I can reinstall whenever I want and try it all over without loosing the most important. But I understand the concern. Also, this gives more work to people likely to assist others.
[03:06] <wingarmac> I was doing these tests exactly for learning how to make 2 hosts communicate seamlessly by ssh. The next step is service accounts and there relations with ssh, like for my ddns api with cloudflare. That will make some experience for sure.
[03:06] <sarnold> next up on the things to investigate list -- openssh certificates :) it feels like something you'd like
[03:06]  * MTecknology is currently writing documentation targeted toward lowest common denominator, which I can basically describe as "people who expect copy/pasting things from a website to magically work every time." It's frustrating because these are the users that have no idea what they're actually doing, or why, or how to handle an issue, or even how to identify if they ran into an issue.
[03:11] <wingarmac> We have 2 kind of user: The one that uses the systems, and the one that configures the systems. We can't expect from users to become all well advices of the correct maintenance practices. that's why automated solutions are developed. So I would consider the type of user it is, and adapt consequently. some do say Linux isn't made for such users, but I do not totaly agree with that. Some distros like Mint are made for
[03:11] <wingarmac> these.
[03:11] <MTecknology> You can make whatever excuse you want, but the real-world outcome remains the same.
[03:12] <wingarmac> Not an excuse, exclusivity.
[03:12] <wingarmac> and adaptability.
[03:13] <wingarmac> corrected myself: inclusive and adaptability, so am I
[03:14] <wingarmac> We need experts, and we also need experiences. The best experiences for learning are in failures.
[03:15] <MTecknology> Your own questions and issues are evidence against your claims. I recommended tldp because you very clearly need to learn about some of the basics ... based on the confusion you presented here.  Whatever you do with that recommendation is up to you. If you want to take your troubles there to learn about those troubles, then go for it. If you want to keep shoving your question into chatgpt and hope to learn something from what it
[03:15] <MTecknology> returns, then ... whatever, just don't be surprised when the thing you're working on breaks and nobody else can help you due to not having any idea what you did in the first place.
[03:16] <MTecknology> I'm gonna drop you into my /ignore list because it seems like you're more excited about arguing than learning and I don't really care.
[03:16] <wingarmac> i do as we do in martial arts, repeating until I do it right ;)
[03:17] <wingarmac> you di read how many times, before you did reccord the data?
[03:19] <wingarmac> I know I can handle my way, but anyway thanks for your willing to assist.
[12:10] <PeGaSuS> so, I'm still facing the `/usr/bin/ld: error: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkeyutils.so.1: file too short` issue. if I delete the file and create the symlinkl manually all works fine until the next upgrade
[12:10] <PeGaSuS> this starts to annoy me
[22:58] <Phibs> anyone gotten multitrap to work with U24.04  ? Seems that a few packages clobber the /bin symlink and make it a directory :(
[22:58] <Phibs> multistrap *
[23:08] <Phibs> .w 72


[02:27] <milkyway> hello
[02:29] <milkyway> anyone familiar with apache2 2.0.55-4ubuntu2.1 segmentation faults ?
[02:41] <infinity> Not familiar enough to answer in the two minutes before you leave.


[02:21] <cohn> hi, just setting up a new Mythbuntu box... how do I get the lirc_i2c kernel module?
[02:21] <cohn> fwiw, on 12.04 x64
[02:51] <cohn> nm, looks like lirc_i2c has been replaced by ir-kbd-i2c
[02:51] <cohn> (i think...)   :D
[03:25] <cohn> hmm... still no luck
[19:06] <daniel304> !help gt 610
[19:06] <Zinn> !help gt 610 For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[19:06] <daniel304> anyone around?
[19:07] <daniel304> i have bought a geforce  gt610 off a website i am hoping it will play back uk freeview HD!! anyone know if this will work?