[00:38] <lamont> smb`: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/645653
[00:38] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 645653 in linux (Ubuntu) "kernel is unbuildably large (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Confirmed]
[00:52] <kees> hah
[00:57] <lamont> kees: you say that now...
[00:59] <jjohansen> lamont: don't worry openoffice will catch up in size
[01:05] <lamont> jjohansen: I'm seriously considering quotas at around 15GB when natty opens
[01:12] <lamont> karmic was a mere 14GB
[01:18] <jjohansen> lamont: the kernel build is a pig, I am not sure what we can do about it
[01:21] <lamont> jjohansen: removing .o files after the link stage comes to mind as a likely option
[01:22] <jjohansen> lamont: that has to be done incrementally however, and then it interferes with the ability to incremental builds
[01:22] <lamont> building the .deb files one at a time (skipping dh_builddeb) would be a much less sane but doable option
[01:23] <lamont> still,  not being able to build packages in a ppa that we build in the distro is just plain bad
[01:23] <jjohansen> agreed
[01:23] <jjohansen> and we need kernel ppas
[01:27] <lamont> anyway, afk for me.
[02:02]  * vanhoof waits and keeps his fingers crossed that https://edge.launchpad.net/~leannogasawara/+archive/kernel-ppa holds all the fixes he needs :D
[13:53] <lag> cnd: ping
[16:42] <ogasawara> smb, bjf, sconklin, kees: fyi bug 643971
[16:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 643971 in linux (Ubuntu) "security updates issued Sept. 18, 2010 causes system to repeatedly boot into initramfs (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/643971
[16:45] <kees> ogasawara: weird; doesn't really sound kernel related.
[16:45] <smb> ogasawara, thanks for the pointer. looking...
[16:45] <smb> kees, Yeah
[16:45] <smb> Feels a bit like maybe a udev race but probably need to read more closely
[16:45] <ogasawara> kees: yah, the bug seems to need further investigation
[16:52] <smb> ogasawara, kees Hm, nothing really obvious in the dmesg there. Likely the files were taken from the good boot anyway
[18:51] <kees> smb: your quick handling of the root-escalation vulns has been noticed: http://lwn.net/Articles/405662/ :)
[18:52] <smb> kees, Gosh I wanna see. if I would remember the subscription details... :/
[19:01] <jjohansen> smb: you have to set up an lwn account then send the account details to someone in canonical /me hasn't done it yet either
[19:02] <smb> jjohansen, Yeah, I have part 1 but try to remember the someone for part 2
[19:04] <jjohansen> smb: Email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with your lwn username which will be generated once
[19:04] <jjohansen>           you have created an account
[19:05] <smb> jjohansen, Ah thanks, should do that
[19:17] <Edgan> When is 2.6.32-25 going to get released as an official update to Lucid?
[19:21] <bjf> Edgan: can't give a specific date for that, it's working it's way through our process
[19:29] <Edgan> bjf: I keep running into an issue with kernels going into limbo with a message in dmesg about 120 seconds. It is getting old.
[19:30] <bjf> Edgan: do you have a bug number we can look at?
[19:30] <bjf> Edgan: have you tried the 2.6.32-25 kernel and does it fix this problem for you?
[19:30] <Edgan> bjf: I am pretty sure it is fixed in -25. The one that just did it was a pre-25. Give me a minute and I will dig up at least one bug number.
[19:30] <Edgan> bjf: pre-25, as in pre-release of 25.
[19:31] <bjf> Edgan: interestingly enough if it fixes more bugs it could help us get it to updates quicker (my thinking anyway)
[19:32] <Edgan> bjf: Here is at least a similar bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/588046
[19:32] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 588046 in linux (Ubuntu) ""task blocked for more than 120 seconds" freezes system in Lucid: xfs (affects: 3) (heat: 39)" [Medium,Triaged]
[19:34] <Edgan> bjf: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/543617  is another
[19:34] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 543617 in linux (Fedora) (and 3 other projects) "Unmount of an fs with dirty cache buffers causes pathological slowdown (affects: 14) (dups: 2) (heat: 132)" [Unknown,Unknown]
[19:34] <bjf> Edgan: can you confirm that the -25 proposed kernel fixes the issue for you?
[19:35] <Edgan> bjf: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/linux/+bug/585092  here is the main one I was following
[19:35] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 585092 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "giant IO delays on unmount (affects: 2) (heat: 40)" [Medium,Fix released]
[19:35] <bjf> Edgan: thanks, looking at all 3
[19:35] <Edgan> bjf: I can confirm it fixed an issue with one of my servers that the symptom was a 120 second message. Which exact bug, not 100% sure on, but I think it is the last
[19:37] <vanhoof> ogasawara: do you have https://edge.launchpad.net/~leannogasawara/+archive/kernel-ppa/+build/1971068 built anywhere atm?
[19:37] <Edgan> bjf: Actually more than one. I have four build machines, and one had the issue. All the same hardware and workload. So I loaded -25 on them. Then I had someone doing mpi work on another machine, and -25 seems to have fixed it too.
[19:37] <vanhoof> ogasawara: looks like the build failed due to low disk space
[19:38] <Edgan> bjf: I suspect it will also fix my backup server, that I just ran into it on.
[19:38] <bjf> Edgan: two of those bugs have been marked "verification-done" which indicates the proposed fixed the issue for the tester
[19:38] <Edgan> bjf: ok
[19:39] <pmatulis> what do H71 or H74 kernels refer to?
[19:40] <ogasawara> vanhoof: that's a bug we just found out about
[19:41] <ogasawara> vanhoof: I can kick off a build for amd64 on tangerine and post it
[19:41] <ogasawara> vanhoof: i386 built fine
[21:04]  * ogasawara lunch
[21:15]  * jjohansen -> lunch


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[20:26] <uzakov> Hi, had a question regarding adding material to Ubuntu wiki
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[06:06] <jam> greetings all
[06:06] <jam> fwereade: when you come online, I'm available for a chat
[06:06] <jam> wallyworld_: hey, just the guy I wanted to say hi to
[06:11] <jam> wallyworld_: ?
[06:14] <dimitern> morning all
[06:21] <jam> hi dimitern
[06:21] <dimitern> jam: hi, feeling better?
[06:22] <jam> dimitern: yeah, fever is down, though still not 100%, but probably 80 or so :)
[06:25] <dimitern> jam: good to hear it's improving
[06:26] <jam> dimitern: yeah, my temperature spiked to almost 40, with accompanied whole-bod
[06:26] <jam> body ache
[06:27] <jam> and headache that was pretty bad
[06:27] <jam> but only lasted the afternoon and a bit in the morning.
[07:02] <dimitern> fwereade: ping
[07:02] <fwereade> dimitern, jam, hi both
[07:03] <fwereade> TheMue, hi also
[07:03] <dimitern> fwereade: hey, take a look at this? https://codereview.appspot.com/9811044/
[07:04] <dimitern> fwereade: (should've changed the description, but will do before I submit)
[07:11] <fwereade> dimitern, reviewed, looks sane, enough little quibbles that it's not quite there yet
[07:14] <TheMue> fwereade, dimitern, jam: morning
[07:22] <dimitern> fwereade: updated
[07:25] <fwereade> dimitern, LGTM
[07:26] <dimitern> fwereade: cheers!
[07:26] <dimitern> TheMue: morning btw
[07:26] <dimitern> anyone else wants a small, easy review? https://codereview.appspot.com/9811044/
[07:28] <dimitern> jam, TheMue: ^^
[07:37] <fwereade> bbiab
[07:42] <wallyworld_> jam: hi, sorry i missed you, school pickup
[07:42] <wallyworld_> jam: feeling better?
[07:43] <dimitern> wallyworld_: hey
[07:43] <wallyworld_> G'DAY
[07:43] <jam> wallyworld_: about 80%, the fever, headache, and whole body ache are gone, but still a little upset stomach.
[07:43] <wallyworld_> oops caps, sorry
[07:43] <wallyworld_> at least it's recovering
[07:43] <dimitern> wallyworld_: quick review? https://codereview.appspot.com/9811044/
[07:43] <wallyworld_> sure
[07:43] <TheMue> dimitern: review done
[07:44] <jam> wallyworld_: yeah, I can at least think and work, I just have to stay near a bathroom :)
[07:44] <dimitern> TheMue: tyvm
[07:56] <dimitern> fwereade: so now on to the 3 loops
[08:07]  * TheMue just returned to the keyboard after hunting the escaped rabbits of our daughter ;) those guys found out how they can open the door. don't tell me anything about dumb rabbits anymore. :D
[08:32] <fwereade> jam, is mgz around today?
[08:37] <jam> fwereade: he is off the whole week, and part of next
[08:38] <jam> I think he is back next Tues
[10:03] <rvba> Hi guys, when we were testing juju-core with MAAS we where using: "juju bootstrap --upload-tools --fake-series=precise,raring,quantal".
[10:03] <rvba> I saw somewhere that --upload-tools is a dev tool only there when building juju-core from source.
[10:03] <rvba> What should I be using instead now? (using juju-core from raring)
[10:04] <jam> rvba: if I understand you correctly, you want to have the tools available on your MaaS cluster for multiple series
[10:04] <rvba> Yes
[10:04] <rvba> The MAAS cluster is raring and I want to deploy precise nodes.
[10:04] <jam> we have a (fairly crufty but serviceable) command "juju sync-tools". Which pulls the tools from the public ec2 bucket, and puts them into your local environment.
[10:05] <jam> you have to source EC2 credentials so it can read the public bucket.
[10:05] <jam> (which is part of the 'crufty' nature of the command)
[10:08] <rvba> jam: thanks, I'll try that…
[10:08] <jam> rvba: feel free to poke here for feedback on getting it working. It was designed for some internal use cases (sharing with HP and Canonistack), so it still needs some love for widespread adoption.
[10:38]  * fwereade lunch
[12:11] <jam> fwereade: ping
[12:11] <fwereade> jam, pong
[12:11] <jam> fwereade: you wanted to chat with me about some API changes. I was wondering if you wanted to have a hangout with me and ian
[12:11] <fwereade> jam, how's it going?
[12:11] <fwereade> sure, give me 2 mins
[12:12] <fwereade> jam, you in a hangout already?
[12:12] <jam> fwereade: not yet, but I can set one up
[12:13] <fwereade> jam, thanks
[12:14] <jam> well... I used to know where the start a hangout link was, give me a sec
[12:17] <jam> fwereade: wallyworld_: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/6c0cd174f8cbe910b0ceaa885a6c216331e77f07
[13:21] <jcastro> mramm: heya, whens the next release planned?
[13:22] <mramm> 08:18 marcoceppi: mramm: Any idea when the next release of juju-core will be landing?
[13:22] <mramm> 08:19 mramm: davecheney was working on it this weekend
[13:22] <mramm> 08:19 mramm: I expect it out any day now, last I heard it was delayed by some build contention on the build servers
[13:22] <jcastro> ah
[13:22] <mramm> seems like this must have come up in a meeting ;)
[13:23] <jcastro> no I just wanna do cool stuff
[13:23] <jcastro> and need a release
[13:23] <jcastro> :)
[13:23] <mramm> cool
[13:23] <jcastro> if it's builder contention I can help him
[13:23] <mramm> I will touch base with dave tonight
[13:23] <mramm> ok
[13:23] <jcastro> but I take it it'll be a 24 hour turn around?
[13:23] <marcoceppi> I just really want to be able to use the majority of charms that have relation-list -r :)
[13:24] <jcastro> wait
[13:24] <jcastro> is that in the PPA?
[13:24] <mramm> I'm not sure if that made it in before the last PPA release
[13:25] <jcastro> 4:20 and 5:50 delays in the PPAs, distro is smaller.
[13:25] <mramm> interesting
[13:25] <jcastro> mramm: I'm going to ask the team if we can get a bump in priority
[13:25] <mramm> ok
[13:25] <jcastro> if a builder takes 6 hours to build it means cheney gets one shot a day to get it working
[13:26] <jcastro> if not, we wait 24 more hours.
[13:26] <mramm> and I'll talk to dave about the release tonight (when he is in)
[13:30]  * jcastro nods
[13:31] <jcastro> I'll send him a mail wrt. builders, see if there's anything I can do
[13:45] <marcoceppi> When downloading the mongo binary, where should I put it?
[13:49] <marcoceppi> Also, in juju-core's readme it refers to running `go install -v launchpad.net/juju-core/...` which doesn't actually work
[13:51] <marcoceppi> "launchpad.net/juju-core/..." matched no packages
[14:12] <ahasenack> jcastro: doesn't matter if the fix is in the ppa, it needs to be in the tools tarballs too, unless you plan to use --upload-tools
[14:12] <marcoceppi> fwereade: got a second to help me resolve building from source?
[14:12] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: I can help, I did it a few times
[14:12] <fwereade> marcoceppi, sorry, meeting
[14:12] <jcastro> ahasenack: ah bummer. :-/
[14:13] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: cool, I've followed the readme up until go install -v launchpad.net/juju-core/... which just gives me a matched no packages error
[14:13] <ahasenack> jcastro: https://wiki.canonical.com/InformationInfrastructure/IS/CanonicalOpenstack/CanonistackWithJujuCore and I have a g+ post about it too
[14:13] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: did you do "go get -v launchpad.net/juju-core/...", with the "..." at the end?
[14:14] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: yup, let me try again
[14:14] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5710325/
[14:15] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: start with go get
[14:15] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: fudge, I copied the wrong command
[14:15] <marcoceppi> thanks
[14:16] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: you will also need to use boostrap with --upload-tools later, or else it will download the old version of the tools into your units, and not the trunk one you have now
[14:16] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: ack, I'll hopefully remember to do that :)
[14:17] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: https://plus.google.com/114091308548248656535/posts/cLgeVv7xBcp hopefully helps
[14:17] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: with canonistack and other private clouds, there is a new complicator, I'm working on a post about that
[14:17] <ahasenack> it doesn't support default-image-id anymore, so there are a few other commands to run
[14:17] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: so the readme mentions having to grab mongodb from source, etc. Do I just ignore that?
[14:18] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: yes, I didn't have to do that
[14:18] <dpb1> go get probably takes care of all that?
[14:18] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: cool, thanks
[14:18] <ahasenack> dpb1: I don't know
[14:18] <ahasenack> dpb1: maybe mongodb doesn't need to be updated that frequently and whatever juju is fetching is good enough
[14:21] <dpb1> ya
[14:36] <ahasenack> is there a way to use juju image-metadata to specify default images for multiple regions?
[14:43] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: is what you were talking about with "private" clouds and default-image-id related to this: error: cannot start bootstrap instance: no "precise" images in az-3.region-a.geo-1 with arches [amd64]
[14:43] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: hm, *maybe*, which cloud is that? hp?
[14:44] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: yeah, hp
[14:44] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: do you have a public-bucket-url for that hp cloud in your environments.yaml file?
[14:44] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: yes, https://region-a.geo-1.objects.hpcloudsvc.com/v1/60502529753910
[14:44] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: also, did you bootstrap with -v? Was there any mention of an url with juju-dist?
[14:45] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: ok, take a look:
[14:45] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: https://region-a.geo-1.objects.hpcloudsvc.com/v1/60502529753910/juju-dist/
[14:45] <ahasenack> (I'm debugging with you now, I don't know yet what the problem is)
[14:45] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: https://region-a.geo-1.objects.hpcloudsvc.com/v1/60502529753910/juju-dist/streams/v1/imagemetadata.json and
[14:45] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: (I'm all for debugging thanks for taking the time)
[14:45] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: https://region-a.geo-1.objects.hpcloudsvc.com/v1/60502529753910/juju-dist/streams/v1/index.json
[14:45] <ahasenack> are of interest to us
[14:45] <ahasenack> that uses the new "simplestreams" from smoser to specify the image id juju will use
[14:46] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: so -v didn't give any mention of a url with juju-dist
[14:46] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: if I understand it correctly, it has an image id definition of 81078 for region az-1.region-a.geo-1
[14:46] <marcoceppi> just some warnings about depreciated configs
[14:47] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: ok, the way I understood it now is that you can only use region az-1.region-a.geo-1
[14:47] <marcoceppi> Ah, so I'm using az-3, let me try az-1
[14:47] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: well, for some definition of "only", it's how it's setup. To use another one there are other steps to take
[14:47] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: path of least resistance is the one for me atm
[14:48] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: ok, so switch regions and try again
[14:48] <marcoceppi> ack, activating/switching
[14:49] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: that resolved that, thanks
[14:49] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: nice!
[14:59] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: so, how much harder is it to get this working with other az's?
[14:59] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: I'm still writing it up, only have a few notes so far. This is what I have for canonistack so far: https://pastebin.canonical.com/91689/
[15:00] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: you have to run the new image-metadata command, then create a juju-dist bucket and upload the files to it
[15:00] <ahasenack> and adjust acls so it can be read anonymously
[15:00] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: doesn't sound too bad
[15:00] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: I don't know yet how to make it work for multiple regions, as that image-metadata command seems to only create the files for one at a time
[15:00] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: I think for other regions you have to just edit the files manually
[15:00] <ahasenack> I mean, to support multiple regions in one single such file
[15:01] <marcoceppi> ahasenack: I only have need to support on region that isn't supported, so that's out of scope for me anyways
[15:01] <marcoceppi> one*
[15:01] <ahasenack> marcoceppi: hah, how murphy of you, needing the region that is not supported :)
[15:02] <marcoceppi> hah, yeah. I've really lucked out. Figured the highest number region would be the best to use!
[15:17] <fwereade> ahasenack, marcoceppi: fwiw, environments are single-region, so that point is hopefully moot
[15:18] <ahasenack> fwereade: given the location of the index.js and imagemetadata.js files, and their names
[15:18] <ahasenack> fwereade: I mean, the region is not in the path, or the filename
[15:18] <ahasenack> fwereade: so it has to be in the content
[15:18] <ahasenack> fwereade: so you have to be able to specify multiple regions inside these files, no?
[15:18] <fwereade> ahasenack, if you're sharing a public-bucket across regions, I agree, you'll want to have metadata for all regions in play
[15:19] <ahasenack> fwereade: in canonistack at least hte public bucket is the same, I don't see a region differentiation on it
[15:20] <ahasenack> fwereade: I don't know about hp
[15:20] <ahasenack> fwereade: but the file in their public bucket only had one region, and juju failed when marcoceppi tried to bootstrap in another
[15:20] <fwereade> ahasenack, I believe that we will be publishing simplestreams data to HP anyway
[15:20] <ahasenack> fwereade: so juju wasn't able to find the default image id for the other region
[15:20] <fwereade> ahasenack, ha, ok
[15:21] <ahasenack> fwereade: so, the end goal, just to understand, is that those json files describe the default image id for all regions?
[15:21] <ahasenack> (amongst other things I suppose, since simplestreams are generic)
[15:22] <ahasenack> or, well, use different public buckets per environment
[15:23] <fwereade> ahasenack, the goal is that the simplestreams files describe the images that are available, so that juju can pick a/the right one for what you need
[15:24] <ahasenack> fwereade: ok, this can be solved then by either adding all of them to the file, or using different files in different buckets
[15:24] <ahasenack> the difference being one single public-bucket-url for all regions, or one per region
[15:25] <fwereade> ahasenack, in general we will be looking in cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases
[15:25] <fwereade> ahasenack, AIUI this will hold data for a whole bunch of public clouds
[15:25] <ahasenack> fwereade: that's for public clouds
[15:25] <ahasenack> ok
[15:26] <ahasenack> but for my own private cloud, I need to manage those simplestream files
[15:26] <fwereade> ahasenack, right; and in canonistack I believe we are publishing simplestreams data and advertising it via openstack already for lcy01, just not for lcy02
[15:27] <fwereade> ahasenack, for your own private cloud, we need tooling, I agree
[15:27] <ahasenack> fwereade: so canonistack seems to be using something different. I managed to bootstrap on lcy01, but there is no juju-dist/streams/v1/index.json file for example
[15:28] <fwereade> ahasenack, it's published... somehow, in openstack, that I am trying to remember and look up
[15:28] <ahasenack> so it's not using simplestreams as far as I understand, but something different
[17:16] <Makyo> Are gocheck tests run in the order they're defined?
[17:17] <Makyo> I'm getting "cannot add service \"riak\": service already exists" on the first test, so I'm curious./
[17:20] <Makyo> nvm -gocheck.vv shows the order.
[17:48] <TheMue> so, quitting, cu tomorrow
[17:50] <ahasenack> hm, I wish bootstrap -v showed the buckets it is querying
[19:07] <Makyo> Hm.  Test fails with  "service \"riak\" not found", so I try deploying it at the beginning of the test, which gives me "cannot add service \"riak\": service already exists".
[21:10] <FunnyLookinHat> Is there a way to enable verbose request logging with juju-core ?  including HTTP headers, etc.
[21:10] <FunnyLookinHat> I was hoping to not use wireshark, but that would work if necessary...
[21:13] <thumper> morning folks
[21:16] <FunnyLookinHat> hmmm
[21:16] <FunnyLookinHat> oh hey thumper :D ( David @ S76 )
[21:16] <thumper> hi FunnyLookinHat
[21:17] <FunnyLookinHat> thumper, You aware of any means to do verbose logging of all requests made when bootstrapping ?
[21:17] <FunnyLookinHat> ( or in general )
[21:17] <thumper> umm...
[21:17] <thumper> I think -v is about as verbose as it gets (right now)
[21:18] <thumper> the whole logging, and output stuff is something that I have an interest in fixing
[21:19] <FunnyLookinHat> Ah ok - trying to see if we can close the gap on rackspace support...  narrowed it down to security groups ( which they are implementing ) and a strange 411 error when trying to authenticate
[21:21] <fwereade> FunnyLookinHat, --debug is more verbose than -v, but I can't guarantee it'll give you what you're after; logging is somewhat spotty
[21:21] <FunnyLookinHat> Ah ok - thanks fwereade
[21:22] <thumper> hi fwereade
[21:22] <fwereade> thumper, heyhey
[21:22] <thumper> fwereade: did you want a catch up chat?
[21:22] <thumper> sorry about yesterday
[21:22] <thumper> snow day here
[21:22] <thumper> very chaotic
[21:22] <fwereade> thumper, sgtm, although probably not a very long one
[21:22] <fwereade> thumper, no worries
[21:22] <thumper> sounds fine
[21:22] <thumper> I have a chat with mramm at 10
[21:22] <thumper> (in about 35min)
[21:22] <fwereade> different times I can handle, but different seasons? madness
[21:23] <thumper> haha
[21:23]  * thumper writes a todo list
[21:23] <mramm> Another snow day?
[21:23] <mramm> ;)
[21:23] <thumper> mramm: nah, sunny and high of 11°C
[21:23] <mramm> I can be flexible with that meeting time if it helps
[21:23] <thumper> well, should be sunny later
[21:23] <mramm> ahh
[21:23] <thumper> pretty grey right now
[21:23] <mramm> got it
[21:24] <thumper> snow is all melting
[21:24] <thumper> much to the kids disappointment
[21:24] <thumper> still have two at home sick
[21:24] <fwereade> mramm, you shouldn't need to be too flexible, I'll want to go to bed around then ;)
[21:24] <thumper> but they aren't the two that fight so much
[23:50]  * thumper heads to the gym
[23:50] <thumper> wallyworld_: I'll chat with you when I'm back
[23:50] <wallyworld_> ok


[12:52] <Admiral_Chicago> after an upgrade to Feisty, fx won't connect online anymore
[12:53] <Admiral_Chicago> konqueror works, gaim works, w3m do. Fx doesn't
[12:53] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone have an idea
[12:53] <Admiral_Chicago> i tried it with a new profile, same thing
[01:05] <Admiral_Chicago> i seem to think bug 12452 is a reject candidate
[01:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 12452 in firefox "Human theme's coloring of the window list needs greater contrast" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12452
[01:06] <Admiral_Chicago> its not reproduceable
[01:06] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm going to close it
[02:16] <asac> ola ... anything important? ... otherwise me beer == me drunk == me bed
[02:17] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: did you find a fix for your issue ?
[02:17] <asac> if so please tell me how
[02:17] <asac> :)
[02:23] <asac> ok off ... i am too exhausted to do anything serious anyway ;)
[02:23] <asac> night
[06:39] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: no
[10:46] <hjmf> morning
[10:50] <JenFraggle> hello
[10:50] <JenFraggle> it's early for you, isn't it?
[10:54] <hjmf> hi, not for me, it's 10:53 here (spain) :)
[10:58] <JenFraggle> i thought you were in america
[10:59] <JenFraggle> you are an hour ahead of me
[11:29] <gnomefreak> good news: firefox <IP_ADDRESS> -trunk and -granparadiso are all uploaded and ready to be used :)
[11:38] <gnomefreak> asac: seems bug 23369 now has a patch, maybe you want to add that to your firefox upload?
[11:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 23369 in firefox "firefox(-gnome-support) should get proxy from gconf" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/23369
[12:00] <wigfreitz> hi, Ive just installed gnesh but firefox still gant play flash, any ideas where Im going wrong. Im a feisty boy
[12:00] <gnomefreak> give me a minute if noone answers
[12:00] <wigfreitz> kk
[12:02] <gnomefreak> wigfreitz: are you sure its flash content?
[12:02] <wigfreitz> yeah, youtube and such like
[12:02] <gnomefreak> and not java
[12:02] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:02] <gnomefreak> wigfreitz: did you install the plugin or just gnash
[12:03] <wigfreitz> aha, apt-get install gnash :-)
[12:03] <wigfreitz> gnash-plugin?
[12:03] <gnomefreak> hold on let me see if i can find name of plugin
[12:03] <gnomefreak> mozilla-plugin-gnash
[12:04] <wigfreitz> aight, thanks gnomefreak
[12:04] <gnomefreak> yw
[12:05] <gnomefreak> asac: when you get time i need you to spin -granparadiso -trunk and <IP_ADDRESS> in MT repo for 64 if you can
[12:15] <gnomefreak> im im out. have fun :) wigfreitz if you need more help others should be here in a few maybe 4 or so hours, its weekend so they will pop in and out through out the day.
[06:24] <teer2> Hello team - thanks for your support.
[06:24] <teer2> I'm watching the old Go Open episodes published by the Shuttleworth Foundation.  Good stuff!
[06:25] <teer2> Got insight into the Ubuntu plan with the new version?  Seems like the package requires dependencies that aren't being pushed to Feisty.
[06:25] <teer2> *new version of Gnash?
[06:25] <asac> teer2: we have feisty debs here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/gnash-feisty/
[06:26] <asac> its not a fully fledged repo, but you can use !moztest
[06:26] <teer2> asac: So - someone in #ubuntu said it was not recommended to upgrade to the 0.8.0 version on Feisty.  I take it that you'd disagree with that, right?
[06:26] <asac> ... in feisty there should be latest gnash as well
[06:26] <asac> gnomefreak: right?
[06:27] <asac> teer2: packages are unofficial and didn't receive any huge testing
[06:27] <asac> teer2: however gnash in feisty is pretty useless
[06:27] <teer2> I'd like to use the new version of Gnash very much, but I'll wait if it is going to put me into dependency hell and and unstable OS.
[06:27] <asac> teer2: so ... its your decision ... the packages are backports from gutsy ... if you feel safe enough, use them
[06:27] <asac> teer2: imo they are good
[06:27] <asac> teer2: dependency hell should be unlikely
[06:28] <asac> unstable OS ... unlikely as well ... but no guarantees ;)
[06:28] <asac> !moztest
[06:28] <ubotu> The Mozilla-testing repos can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives. Please remember these are testing repos, the packages in these repos are not stable and may break things on your system. Use with caution. Please report bugs found from these packages to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives/Bugs.
[06:28] <asac> teer2: ^^^
[06:28] <asac> for feisty there is firefox-trunk as well ... and maybe thunderbird 2.0
[06:29] <asac> so if you use thunderbird and don't want to go 2.0 ... install the deps directly from the people.ubuntu.com url above
[06:32] <teer2> So - - sorry to say I am confused on what steps I need to do.  Am I adding mozilla-testing repositories to sources.list ?
[06:32] <teer2> I don't use thunderbird...
[06:34] <teer2> asac: I think it would be a good idea to give people a dead-simple step-by-step to upgrade with Feisty.  I'd like to be able to post a link to instructions for people who want to get away from Flash.
[07:00] <asac> teer2: lets wait on gnomefreak as he is maintaining the preview archive ... lets see what we can do then
[07:09] <teer2> asac: Sounds good, thanks for your support!!
[10:19] <JenFraggle> asac: you free to answer a query on the wiki?


[00:33] <tsimonq2> I could be  wrong, but are there still a bunch of merge failures?
[00:33] <tsimonq2> seems like it, let me look
 (Photo, 959x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/JEO01HSr/file_214.jpg
 XD
 Nice tongue :P
[07:29] <mitya57> tsimonq2, I haven't seen it on Debian.
[07:29] <mitya57> tsimonq2, https://codereview.qt-project.org/168947 *may* fix that issue, but I don't have time to try that.
[07:29] <mitya57> Maybe later today…
[07:31] <tsimonq2> yeah I'm out of the house
[08:39] <blaze> acheronuk: I've managed to get the qtwebkit working
[08:40] <blaze> i mean qtwebengine
[08:59] <acheronuk> blaze: what did you do?
[09:01] <blaze> acheronuk: there're fixes for gcc6 in upstream
[09:01] <blaze> that's all you wanna know :)
[09:02] <acheronuk> ah. like that then :P
 \o/ that would the right fix
 Qtwebengine over qtwebkit
[10:30] <ahoneybun> blaze: are you talking about the slideshow or something else?
[10:50] <acheronuk> qupzilla I thought?
[10:56] <blaze> ahoneybun: stable qtwebengine 5.6.1 is not working on yakkety because of v8 being built with gcc6 is constantly crashing
[10:57] <blaze> external v8 from the repos is affected too I guess
[11:00] <blaze> that's what I was talking about :)
[11:04] <acheronuk> you have a fixed build in your ppa I see
[11:06] <blaze> yes
[11:28] <mardy> Hi all! I just subscribed kubuntu-bugs to bug 1451728
[11:29] <mardy> hope I did the right thing; the goal is to have someone from kubuntu upload the fixed packages to xenial
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:31] <yofel> ahoneybun: as I told you repeatedly, it's kind of the point of having a build server run at 100% CPU
[11:31] <yofel> anything less, and you're wasting money
[11:31] <yofel> ahoneybun: and I limited the CI to ~87%, I have no intention of artifically slowing it down even more
 I don't remember that but OK then
[12:34] <BluesKaj> if anyone else is testing YY Beta 1 is network-manager recognizing the NIC yet ? I'm using settings the interface and resolvconf/resolv.conf files to connect to the lan and internet and I've purged nework-manager so it doesn't interfere with those settings.
[12:44] <BluesKaj> hey blaze`
[12:52] <blaze`> BluesKaj: hey
[12:52] <BluesKaj> quiet here today
[12:57] <blaze`> indeed
[15:01] <mhall119> sitter: ping
[15:08] <mhall119> sitter: when you have a moment I need to ask you some questions about KDE and snappy's new content interface
[15:33] <clivejo> mhall119: did ahoneybun talk to you about getting a list of kubuntu-members email addresses?
[15:34] <mhall119> not yet
[15:34] <clivejo> is it doable?
[15:34] <mhall119> um....not sure, what do you need it for?
[15:34] <clivejo> KCC vote
[15:35] <mhall119> I think dholbach might have a script that we used for CC voting, let me ask
[15:35] <clivejo> need to give http://civs.cs.cornell.edu a list of email address for it to send voting info
[15:43] <mhall119> clivejo: https://github.com/YokoZar/lp-election-helper/blob/master/lp-election-helper is what we use
[15:44] <mhall119> https://github.com/YokoZar/lp-election-helper gives instructions on how to use it
[18:01] <AmBuLaNcE> hi
[18:01] <AmBuLaNcE> _?
[18:02] <AmBuLaNcE> ım usıng kubuntu but ı have a problem
[18:02] <AmBuLaNcE> ı want to use dual monıtor but ı never seen dual monıtor selectıon
[18:02] <AmBuLaNcE> how can ı fıx
[18:06] <mitya57> tsimonq2, that fix worked! qtquickcontrols built fine with it in ppa:mitya57/test1, feel free to copy qtdeclarative from there back to your ppa.
[18:06] <mitya57> And I'll commit it to Debian git now
[18:36] <ahoneybun> mhall119: around?
[18:38] <mhall119> ahoneybun: yup
[18:39] <mhall119> ahoneybun: if you're asking about getting email addresses for the KCC voting, I've already given clivejo a script for it
[18:39] <ahoneybun> I know
[18:39] <ahoneybun> just forked it for Kubuntu use
[18:41] <mhall119> does it need to be forked? I think you can just give it an LP team
[18:41] <ahoneybun> well it looks for ubuntu.com, I messed with it to look for kubuntu.org first
[18:42] <mhall119> ah, ok
[18:42] <ahoneybun> and it worked
[18:42] <mhall119> \o/
[18:42] <ahoneybun> thanks mhall119 and clivejo
[19:16] <clivejo> how is testing of FW5.24 and Plasma 5.7.2 on Xenial?
[19:19] <ahoneybun> I'm on Yakkety so
[19:19] <mamarley> clivejo: I haven't done much with it personally, but it is installed on one of my parents' computers and they haven't complained.
[19:20] <clivejo> mamarley: from the staging?
[19:20] <mamarley> I think so, it has been a while since I installed it.
[19:20] <clivejo> Id like to get that into backports landing
[19:23] <clivejo> where are all the xenial testers?
[19:34] <ahoneybun> !testers
[19:34] <clivejo> that should be fixed
[19:34] <clivejo> people on there that mightnt want pinged
[19:35] <ahoneybun> i know
[19:35] <clivejo> is that bot on weegie?
[19:36] <ahoneybun> no idea
[19:42] <acheronuk_> clivejo: this laptop is on Xenial still with the staging plasma
[19:43] <clivejo> any issues?
[19:43] <acheronuk_> not that I notice
[19:44] <clivejo> reckon its ready to go into landing?
[19:45] <acheronuk_> if it's not, I don't know when it ever will be.
[19:45] <acheronuk_> factoids for the bot https://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?search=testers
[19:47] <ahoneybun> so it's a ubuntu bot
[19:48] <acheronuk_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[19:49] <ahoneybun> of course Simon fixed a type
[19:49] <ahoneybun> *typo
[19:51] <acheronuk_> LOL
[19:54] <clivejo> hi blaze
[19:54] <ahoneybun> I think it is looking on that site that acheronuk_ posted for the info
[19:54] <blaze> hi clivejo
[19:55] <acheronuk_> tsimonq2: do you know how we makes changes to the bot's factoids?
[19:55] <ahoneybun> acheronuk_: I think it is looking at at ubottu.com for the info
[19:57] <acheronuk_> ahoneybun: it is, but it must be changed somewhere else then the .db loaded there?
[19:58] <ahoneybun> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bots/ubuntu-bots/devel/view/head:/Encyclopedia/factoids.cgi
[19:58] <clivejo> !cuss
[20:07] <clivejo> !testers is Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping yofel, soee, Tm_T, BluesKaj, James147, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley, alket, SourBlues neo31, vip, mparillo for information
 Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops.  Thank you for your attention to detail
[20:07] <ahoneybun> half those nicks I've never seen around
[20:08] <clivejo> need to compile a current list
[20:08] <ahoneybun> mamarley, mparillo,  for sure
[20:08] <ahoneybun> I did not want to ping yof
[20:08] <Quintasan> welp
[20:08] <Quintasan> I'm still running trusty
[20:09] <ahoneybun> that too
[20:09] <Quintasan> I can't find time to reformat but that's not the problem
[20:09] <ahoneybun> it's ok Quintasan
[20:09] <clivejo> should we take you off the list Quintasan?
[20:09] <Quintasan> My disk configuration is so weird I don't even want to touch that before making backups. And for that I need another HDD
[20:10] <Quintasan> Keep me there.
[20:10] <Quintasan> I have a job now so I can just go and buy a hard drive now.
[20:10] <SonikkuAmerica> !testers
[20:10] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh OK
[20:12] <clivejo> SonikkuAmerica: are you an op?
[20:12] <SonikkuAmerica> Not here, but in #u-o... I saw your request, but our bot chsnger doesn't seem to be around atm.
[20:12] <SonikkuAmerica> *changer
[20:13] <genii> ubottu: testers is <reply> Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping yofel, soee, Tm_T, BluesKaj, James147, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley, alket, SourBlues neo31, vip, mparillo for information
[20:13] <SonikkuAmerica> Tada, problem solved :)
[20:13] <soee> please stop :
[20:13] <genii> dammit, forgot to make it only for #k space...
[20:13] <ahoneybun> never soee
[20:13] <soee> testers who have time already were pinged
[20:13] <SonikkuAmerica> About 3 times
[20:14] <Quintasan> soee: We're changing the list, can't help that.
[20:14] <soee> ah ok
[20:14] <soee> i thought this was 3x times the same
[20:14] <clivejo> acheronuk_: can we put you on there?
[20:14] <acheronuk_> clivejo: fine by me
[20:14] <ahoneybun> atm I'm a yakkety tester
[20:14] <ahoneybun> I can load up a VM if need be
[20:15] <ahoneybun> for xenial
[20:15] <clivejo> Quintasan: can you add clivejo, acheronuk to that list
[20:15] <Quintasan> I don't have powers to do that I believe.
[20:15] <SonikkuAmerica> Quintasan - are you still in charge of the Plasma Active/Mobile imaging for Kubuntu? Or are we not offering Plasma Mobile as a Kubuntu image?
[20:16] <clivejo> who has the power to change it?
[20:16] <Quintasan> SonikkuAmerica: At some point I was but at this point I think it's safe to call those abandoned.
[20:16] <SonikkuAmerica> OK
[20:16] <ahoneybun> Plasma Mobile is still alive
[20:16] <ahoneybun> and based on Neon maybe at this point
[20:16] <SonikkuAmerica> Right, but just not here in the Ubuntu namespace though
[20:17] <ahoneybun> namespace?
[20:17] <acheronuk_> clivejo: I found this but it's *old* info https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2010-December/001190.html
[20:17] <Quintasan> Yeah, Plasma itself is alive but the Kubuntu based image is rather dead.
[20:18] <soee> i can do tests tomorrow, have a lot work to be done today :/
[20:20] <acheronuk_> !ninjas
[20:21]  * clivejo slaps acheronuk_ with a trout
[20:21] <ahoneybun> wow
[20:21] <clivejo> stop finding stuff to fix!
[20:21] <ahoneybun> add Simon to it lol
[20:21] <tsimonq2> and I'm here
[20:22] <ahoneybun> damn made a curse
[20:22] <tsimonq2> I'm awake I'm awake lol
[20:22] <acheronuk_> should link to that clip of Rick
[20:22] <Quintasan> wow
[20:23] <Quintasan> That's a thing I haven't seen in a long time lol
[20:23] <tsimonq2> acheronuk_: I'll work to get the bot fixed, don't worry :)
[20:23] <clivejo> now look what you have done ahoneybun
[20:23]  * clivejo stares at acheronuk_ and ahoneybun
[20:25] <BluesKaj> I was outside cutting the lawn , what's the ping about?
[20:26] <clivejo> false alarm!
[20:26] <ahoneybun> what did I do?
[20:26] <BluesKaj> ok thanks clivejo
[20:28] <tsimonq2> my turn to fix things :P
[20:29] <tsimonq2> away from my computer
[20:29] <tsimonq2> argh I can't access my linode
[20:29] <tsimonq2> I need this new SSH key added
[20:30] <clivejo> use your old one
[20:30] <genii> ubottu: testers-#kubuntu is <reply> Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping yofel, soee, Tm_T, BluesKaj, James147, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley, alket, SourBlues neo31, vip, mparillo for information
[20:30] <genii> ubottu: no testers-#kubuntu is <reply> Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping yofel, soee, Tm_T, BluesKaj, James147, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley, alket, SourBlues neo31, vip, mparillo for information
[20:30] <mamarley> argh
[20:30] <tsimonq2> clivejo: I'm away from home :/
[20:31]  * clivejo wonders do I still have access
[20:31] <tsimonq2> nope
[20:31] <genii> You guys want an alias to that for -offtopic as well?
[20:31] <tsimonq2> because I'm paranoid
[20:31] <tsimonq2> :P
[20:32] <clivejo> genii: only really needs to be in here
[20:32] <tsimonq2> genii: ooh can you add me to !testers and !ninjas ?
[20:32] <tsimonq2> add acheronuk_ to !ninjas too?
[20:32] <genii> tsimonq2: OK, will do shortyl. work :(
[20:32] <tsimonq2> ok genii
[20:32] <ahoneybun> clivejo: did you get that email?
[20:32] <clivejo> I get lots of email
[20:32] <clivejo> which one?
[20:33] <ahoneybun> the KC
[20:33] <clivejo> oh yes, and voted too thanks
[20:33]  * tsimonq2 ponders taking a half an hour bike ride to his computer to add his phone's SSH key to Linode
[20:33] <ahoneybun> cool
[20:33] <clivejo> cant you see who has voted?
[20:33] <ahoneybun> I've gotten no email about it
[20:33] <ahoneybun> unless it went into my spam
[20:34] <clivejo> isnt there a dashboard on CIVS?
[20:34] <ahoneybun> I got my email to vote
[20:34] <ahoneybun> I can see that 5 people have voted
[20:34] <clivejo> but not who?
[20:34] <ahoneybun> nope
[20:34] <clivejo> oh
[20:35] <ahoneybun> I don't think I enabled it or something
[20:35] <clivejo> would been nice to see who didnt incase an email was messed up or something
[20:36] <ahoneybun> true
[20:42] <tsimonq2> hey everyone!
[20:42] <tsimonq2> wish clivejo happy belated ninja anniversary ;)
[20:42] <tsimonq2> it was on the 21st
[20:44] <genii> Hm
[20:44] <genii> !ninjas
[20:45] <genii> tsimonq2: Who comes off and onto !ninjas?
[20:47] <genii> AFAIK, off: jon, riddell, scottk on: tsimonq2
[20:47] <genii> ?
[20:47] <clivejo> all but yofel, and add clivejo, acheronuk and tsimonq2
[20:47] <genii> OK
[20:48] <ahoneybun> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-August/011305.html
[20:48] <ahoneybun> cool idea
[20:49] <genii> ubottu: ninjas-#kubuntu-devel is <reply> yofel, clivejo, acheronuk, tsimonq2
[20:49] <clivejo> +1 ahoneybun
[20:49] <genii> ubottu: no ninjas-#kubuntu-devel is <reply> yofel, clivejo, acheronuk, tsimonq2
[20:49] <ahoneybun> up for it clivejo lol
[20:49] <clivejo> sure!
[20:50] <acheronuk_> that sounds like the ubuntu on air thing they do on Tuesdays
[20:51] <acheronuk_> popey and mhall
[20:51] <clivejo> genii:  can you leave the Kubuntu Ninja Time!
[20:52]  * clivejo wonders can we link to Rick saying Kubuntu Ninja
[20:52] <clivejo> genii: http://tsimonq2.net/kubuntusoundboard/
[20:53] <clivejo> clcik on Kubunbu NINJA!
[20:53] <clivejo> good stuff!
[20:53] <genii> clivejo: This may have to wait until tomorrow, work is needing me and I have to get out of here in 7 minutes to make a concerty
[20:54] <clivejo> no prob, thanks for fixing it so far
[20:58]  * genii wanders off to go watch Black Sabbath
[21:08] <ahoneybun> what day clivejo lol
[21:08] <clivejo> day?
[21:08] <ahoneybun> for the AMA lol
[21:09] <clivejo> the what?
[21:09] <ahoneybun> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-August/011305.html
[21:09] <clivejo> maybe bring it up at the next podcast
[21:10] <ahoneybun> I think having a KC one would be good as well
[21:10] <clivejo> ahoneybun: are you "sitting" in on the team meeting in Berlin?
[21:11] <ahoneybun> I'm not goint to be there if that is what you mean
[21:11] <clivejo> we could get you on webcam and put you up on white screen!
[21:11] <ahoneybun> oh boy
[21:11] <ahoneybun> not even sure if I would be home
[21:11] <ahoneybun> might be at work
[21:12] <clivejo> can you get a big white cat if you do?
[21:12] <ahoneybun> white cat?
[21:12] <clivejo> yes
 OOH I WANT A CAT!  Saw that there was a fix as well, but haven't investigated what
[22:36] <clivejo> grrr
[22:36] <clivejo> LP being useful again
[22:36] <clivejo> Launchpad encountered an internal error during the following operation: copying a package.  It was logged with id
[22:37] <clivejo> which one of the hundred odd packages
[22:38]  * clivejo wanders off cursing and muttering under his breath
[22:40] <ahoneybun> I'm finding Kodi really useful
[22:48] <acheronuk_> quite good on a tablet
[22:52] <ahoneybun> I have it on an old Mac Mini


[10:39] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: hmmm .... you have the bug id? we should probably add the search engines of firefox to paradiso as well ... so if you come around, maybe assign to me and set to "in progress" :)
[10:40] <gnomefreak> asac: only a couple of more days left of sprint :)
[10:40] <asac> yeah :)
[10:40] <asac> tomorrow ... finito
[10:40] <gnomefreak> get anything good done?
[11:22] <gnomefreak> i see your working on n-m ;)
[11:38] <asac> yeah justuploaded nm
[11:38] <asac> dunno if it fixes things for you
[11:38] <asac> though
[11:38] <asac> gnomefreak: what are the nm issues you are seeing?
[11:43] <gnomefreak> doesnt connect at log in
[11:44] <gnomefreak> log in you get a red x on the icon, right click and uncheck enable networking, right click check enable networking than it scans and connects
[11:45] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 124297
[11:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124297 in network-manager "network-manager doesnt connect me at startup anymore" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124297
[11:53] <gnomefreak> asac: also bug 45008 seems to have been fixed upstream for only the 1.5 branch :(
[11:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 45008 in firefox "MASTER firefox theme crash" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/45008
[12:01] <gnomefreak> what tag is used after adding upstream task?
[12:31] <asac> gnomefreak: ok
[12:32] <asac> so you are struck a race condition
[12:32] <asac> are there ubuntu7 packages already available?
[12:32] <gnomefreak> running update now ill let you know as soon as its done
[12:34] <gnomefreak> nope still ubuntu6
[12:39] <gnomefreak> asac: i have the build you uploaded i just havent built it since i saw you say it was uploaded
[12:54] <gnomefreak> asac: when you get time can you look at bug 124223 (doesnt matter when) Im thinking of rejecting it since its a tab plus issue not a firefox one, but would like to know your thoughts on extension crashes/breakage/ect..
[12:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124223 in firefox "Ubuntu's Firefox ceased to work with Tab Mix Plus extension" [Low,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124223
[01:01] <asac> gnomefreak: let me look
[01:04] <asac> gnomefreak: new policy is: when people report bugs in gutsy, they must use the Report a Bug ... Menu entry in firefox
[01:04] <asac> gnomefreak: i rejected that bug for that reason for now
[01:04] <asac> and asked to open a new one
[01:04] <gnomefreak> how do you know they didnt use that?
[01:04] <asac> because there are no attachments attached
[01:05] <asac> we now have attachments through hooks for what extensions and plugins are installed for instance
[01:05] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe report a testbug to see
[01:05] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[01:09] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/testing_graphs/
[01:09] <asac> thats interesting
[01:09] <asac> though the history does not go back that far
[01:13] <asac> ... for now
[01:14] <gnomefreak> goes back a year
[01:14] <gnomefreak> well sort of
[01:20] <gnomefreak> i thought i have seen everything until yesterday, someone wanted to backport gcc4.2 to feisty becasue his game needed 4.2 :(
[01:28] <DarkMageZ> that would have been interesting to see
[01:29] <DarkMageZ> was that a bug report or irc discussion?
[01:29] <gnomefreak> DarkMageZ: it wont work. it was in -motu
[01:30] <DarkMageZ> i know it would mess things up something horrid :)
[01:30] <gnomefreak> everything would need to be rebuilt since everything depends on tool-chain
[01:31] <DarkMageZ> i was thinking of having alook @ the game and seeing if dropping the configure check on gcc would work
[01:31] <gnomefreak> he never stated game name or anything helpful
[01:33] <DarkMageZ> aww, that ruins my fun. oh well.
[01:36] <gnomefreak> lmao @ bug 124995
[01:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124995 in firefox "failure to commect to internet" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124995
[01:53] <DarkMageZ> i don't know how he managed to install ubuntu
[01:53] <DarkMageZ> must have brought one of those dells
[01:53] <gnomefreak> what is with the private bugs?
[01:56] <DarkMageZ> private bugs? security bugs get to be private.
[02:00] <gnomefreak> bug 125379
[02:00] <ubotu> Bug 125379 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/125379 is private
[02:02] <DarkMageZ> i'd say it's a security bug and someone from the security team hasn't declassified it yet.
[02:02] <gnomefreak> its not a security issue since its a simple crash but i asked why it was marked that way
[02:03] <gnomefreak>  	   Keep bug confidential
[02:03] <gnomefreak> Make this bug visible only to its subscribers
[02:03] <gnomefreak> 	Security vulnerability
[02:03] <gnomefreak> Select this option if the bug describes a security vulnerability
[02:03] <gnomefreak> they are spearate
[02:03] <gnomefreak> security isnt marked just confidential
[02:04] <gnomefreak> done with bugs for time being
[02:40] <gnomefreak> asac: the n-m is fixed thank you :)
[02:50] <asac> gnomefreak: really?
[02:50] <asac> can your please try multiple times?
[02:50] <gnomefreak> asac: yep really and i will soon
[02:51] <gnomefreak> i want to get tarball built first than log out and than build trunk on newest to see how far they have gotten
[02:51] <asac> gnomefreak: you hope for cure?
[02:51] <gnomefreak> asac: hey without hope whatelse is there with mozilla :(
[02:51] <asac> ;)
[02:51] <gnomefreak> its worth a shot atleast
[02:52] <gnomefreak> cairo is a known issue to them (atleast said it on one of the pages i looked at lastweek)
[02:52] <gnomefreak> ok brb logging out
[02:54] <AnRkey> asac, you work on the netinstaller for ubuntu?
[02:55] <asac> netinstaller ? ... no ... network-manager ... yes
[02:55] <AnRkey> oh ok
[02:55] <AnRkey> do you know who does the netinstaller?
[02:55] <AnRkey> or how to find out
[02:55] <AnRkey> or what it's called
[02:56] <asac> ask on #ubuntu-installer
[02:56] <AnRkey> ahh ok
[02:56] <AnRkey> thanks
[03:00] <gnomefreak> asac: tested 4 times total and still works like a charm :)
[03:00] <asac> great
[03:01] <asac> so ... can you digg through the network-manager bugs and find bugs that might refer to your behaviour?
[03:01] <asac> :)
[03:01] <gnomefreak> lol
[03:01] <asac> you don't need to, but if you find some, I would be happy to close them and ask reporters to reopen
[03:01] <asac> in case they still see
[03:01] <gnomefreak> asac: yeah ill get there  sometime today
[03:02] <gnomefreak> did this fix any other issues?
[03:02] <gnomefreak> wifi issues? wifi password issues i saw iirc
[03:02] <asac> i am on the wifi password manager issues now
[03:02] <asac> ... as well on the signal 5 crashes
[03:03] <asac> i doubt that this has fixed it
[03:03] <gnomefreak> ah ok those make up biggest part of the bugs
[03:03] <asac> actually i think the wifi password issues are more keyring related
[03:03] <gnomefreak> i would think so and that needs to be fixed as well :(
[03:03] <asac> though there is definitly a bug in wpa supplicant in case you have more than 2 cells or somethnig
[03:04] <asac> gnomefreak: let me see if keyring is fixed now
[03:04] <gnomefreak> ok i dont think it has been fixed here (gnome-keyring-manager
[03:04] <asac> so ... short out ... because of reconnecting to wireless
[03:04] <gnomefreak> )
[03:10] <asac> hmm ... keyring appears to work for me
[03:11] <gnomefreak> asac: ok let me try it here
[03:11] <asac> at least it does for my network manager now
[03:12] <gnomefreak> not for nautilus yet it seems but will keep playing with it
[03:12] <asac> what does nautilus have to do with keyring?
[03:12] <asac> whatfor?
[03:13] <gnomefreak> asac: connecting to ftp server user/password is not remembered after checking remember always
[03:14] <gnomefreak> morons :(
[03:14] <gnomefreak> not you someone that doesnt know how to use apt
[03:17] <gnomefreak> asac: heres a n-m bug :( bug 125522
[03:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125522 in network-manager-pptp "refusing mppe stateful " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125522
[03:17] <gnomefreak> ok im gone for a little while been working for 5 hours already
[03:17] <gnomefreak> its only 9:17am :(
[04:12] <asac> gnomefreak: is flashplugin-nonfree not installable for you atm ?
[04:30] <asac_> gnomefreak: ok found the problem ... adobe rolled an update jul 10
[04:30] <asac_> and mirrors are out of synch now
[04:30] <asac_> :(
[04:30] <asac_> once they are in synch again we have to sru flashplugin-nonfree
[04:30] <asac_> :(
[04:30] <asac_> pretty unfortunate now that flashplugin nonfree is finally build for amd64
[04:52] <asac> ok out for a smoke
[06:10] <bluekuja_> asac: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=431987
[06:10] <ubotu> Debian bug 431987 in agg "contains copy of non-free gpc" [Serious,Open]
[06:12] <bluekuja_> asac: need to delete that source file, and upload new revision
[06:12] <bluekuja_> let me know when back
[06:20] <asac> bluekuja_: you don't need me for that :)
[06:21] <asac> just prepare update and point me to it, so i can sponsor
[06:21] <bluekuja_> asac: of course :)
[06:21] <bluekuja_> fixing
[06:21] <asac> bluekuja_: you have to prepare a new source package in case you are in doubt
[06:21] <bluekuja_> and pushin
[06:21] <bluekuja_> to bzr
[06:21] <asac> use the same version+dfsg as new upstream version
[06:21] <asac> e.g. 1.0
[06:21] <asac> 1.0+dfsg-1
[06:21] <bluekuja_> ok
[06:21] <asac> as package version
[06:22] <bluekuja_> I gonna use a new tarball
[06:22] <bluekuja_> I'll create
[06:22] <bluekuja_> ;)
[06:22] <bluekuja_> asac: you'll have to explain me dfsg stuff
[06:24] <asac> when we free sources we add +dfsg to the upstream version
[06:25] <asac> as its not the identical tarball as upstream
[06:25] <asac> which is actually what rene didn't do so we didn't see
[06:26] <bluekuja_> ok
[06:26] <bluekuja_> asac: if version is agg (2.5-1)
[06:26] <bluekuja_> previous
[06:26] <bluekuja_> should be agg (2.5+dfsg-1)?
[06:26] <bluekuja_> or 2?
[06:32] <bluekuja_> asac: ^^
[06:37] <asac> yeah
[06:37] <bluekuja_> asac: and anyway, I don't have to create a new source package, if we maintain it in bzr
[06:37] <asac> -1
[06:37] <asac> he?
[06:37] <asac> you definitly have
[06:37] <bluekuja_> yeah, but on bzr how?
[06:37] <asac> the non-free sources must not be on the ftp servers
[06:37] <asac> bzr rm
[06:37] <bluekuja_> yea
[06:37] <bluekuja_> that's what I said
[06:37] <bluekuja_> :)
[06:37] <bluekuja_> we misunderstood
[06:37] <bluekuja_> ^^
[06:37] <asac> sure :)
[06:38] <asac> just document the bug id you close so i can review if the files are out et al :)
[06:38] <asac> cool
[06:38] <bluekuja_> asac: ok, now I push to both bzr branches
[06:38] <bluekuja_> so you can bzr bd and go
[06:38] <bluekuja_> ;)
[06:59] <bluekuja_> asac: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bluekuja/libagg/debian.source
[07:00] <bluekuja_> asac: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bluekuja/libagg/upstream.source
[07:02] <bluekuja_> asac: should be ok ;)
[07:08] <asac> ok .... let me see
[07:08] <bluekuja_> asac: btw diff-ext got 2 RC bugs
[07:08] <bluekuja_> ^^
[07:08] <bluekuja_> both related
[07:09] <bluekuja_> now I'm investigating
[07:09] <bluekuja_> I've provided a dbg package for a better traceback
[07:10] <asac> i won't get any of those things done now ... I have to leave soon ... we are going to the theatre soon
[07:10] <bluekuja_> asac: don't worry, I have really no time
[07:10] <bluekuja_> on this period
[07:10] <bluekuja_> I've bought a new motorbike
[07:10] <bluekuja_> ^^
[07:10] <asac> oh
[07:10] <bluekuja_> also work
[07:10] <asac> ok ... take care
[07:10] <bluekuja_> and friends
[07:11] <bluekuja_> but one hour per day
[07:11] <bluekuja_> should be here
[07:11] <bluekuja_> :)
[07:11] <bluekuja_> asac: I'll let you know when I've fixed those
[07:11] <bluekuja_> agg is ok for now
[07:11] <bluekuja_> ;)
[07:12] <bluekuja_> leaving now
[07:12] <bluekuja_> good theatre then
[07:12] <bluekuja_> take care too
[07:12] <bluekuja_> ;)
[07:13] <asac> yeah ... remind me tomorrow :) ... or at best at the weekend ;)
[07:13] <asac> who knows whatelese i have to do
[07:13] <bluekuja_> will be away
[07:13] <asac> ok out
[07:13] <bluekuja_> for the weekend
[07:13] <bluekuja_> all from now on
[07:13] <bluekuja_> ;)
[07:13] <bluekuja_> tomorrow I'm here
[07:13] <bluekuja_> cya!
[07:13] <bluekuja_> ;)
[07:13] <asac> cool
[07:13] <asac> bye
[08:22] <hjmf_> gnomefreak: in bug 125379 to the OP why he filed the report as private
[08:22] <ubotu> Bug 125379 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/125379 is private
[08:22] <hjmf_> gnomefreak: there is a new policy about crash reports
[08:22] <hjmf_> gnomefreak: --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CrashReporting
[08:23] <hjmf_> gnomefreak: "Bug reports about crashes which are automatically generated by the Apport system are now private by default. This avoids exposing potentially sensitive data like passwords to the public. Those bug reports are now inspected by a trusted Ubuntu developer before marking it public."
[08:23] <hjmf_> HTH :)
[08:23] <hjmf_> gnomefreak: that applies to gutsy crashes
[08:23] <hjmf_> ;)
 gnomefreak: in bug 125379 to the OP why he filed the report as private
[08:25] <hjmf_> of course I meant to say: in bug 125379 *you asked* to... :)
[08:25] <ubotu> Bug 125379 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/125379 is private
[08:25] <ubotu> Bug 125379 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/125379 is private
[10:01] <gnomefreak> asac: flash is looking for version 9.0.31 but the tarball they used stayed the same name but the package is the newest release(dont remember release) i look at it the other night found out the problem nut not real sure what is needed to fix. did the newest upstream lose all regressions it had? if so i dont see an issue upgrading it if not we have to stop it from looking for that tarball. but yes it doesnt install it has no files
[10:01] <gnomefreak> hjmf: thank you, sorry noone was ablet o tell me why it was marked private when i was there (noone in -bugs) for some odd reason
[10:11] <gnomefreak> asac: from what i saw of it md5sum in scripts should do it i dont rmemember a version number in there but if there is that needs to be changed as well


[10:11] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu needs to be worked on
[10:11] <knome> as does the release notes for our website
[10:12] <knome> pleia2 is out of the games, so don't count on her doing it


[09:22] <ochosi_> dholbach: in case it still matters, to answer your question regarding how the coordination between ubuntu and xubuntu devs is going wrt e.g. the gtk3 update: it's going pretty good, i'm in touch with larsu and seb128 mostly and so far everything has been sorted
[09:24] <dholbach> excellent - I'm happy to hear that :)