[12:09] <secretlondon> dholbach: it didn't set up a user, I'm going to make a note on the testing page and retry
[12:09] <dholbach> secretlondon: hm? which install was that?
[12:09] <dholbach> secretlondon: file a bug report please - but yeah you can link it on testing/current
[12:09] <secretlondon> dholbach: kubuntu i386 alternate text install
[12:10] <dholbach> strange
[12:10] <dholbach> did you install to drive with existing /home partition or something?
[12:11] <secretlondon> i formatted the partition i installed to
[12:11] <dholbach> hm
[12:11] <dholbach> better to report it
[12:11] <secretlondon> does text install count as expert?
[12:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68283 in gaim (main) "Gaim crashed after startup." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68283
[12:13] <dholbach> secretlondon: not unless you explicitely chose it
[12:13] <dholbach> it should have asked you<PHONE_NUMBER>29672496246 questions, if you chose it
[12:13] <secretlondon> ok, i'm sticking under manual partitioning
[12:13] <dholbach> alright
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68284 in Ubuntu "Error starting the GNOME Settings Daemon when booting from edgy-desktop-i386 CD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68284
[12:27] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68285 in epiphany-browser (main) "deadkeys don't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68285
[12:29] <JamesLove> bug 68287
[12:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68287 in firefox "Not a bug - delete 68287" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68287
[12:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68286 in Ubuntu "[Edgy RC]  20061025.1 Kubuntu i386 failed to create a user" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68286
[12:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68287 in firefox (main) "Not a bug - delete 68287" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68287
[12:44] <evil_monkey> hello, im getting a lot of messages "failed to set locale, falling to default C locales" while upgrading dapper to edgy
[12:44] <evil_monkey>  should i be worried?
[12:44] <secretlondon> there are some bugs filed about locale problems
[12:46] <evil_monkey> but i dont know why it's trying to set en_AU.UTF-8
[12:46] <evil_monkey> :/
[12:46] <evil_monkey> ill probably have dead system after restart now :(
[12:47] <secretlondon> file a bug with stuff from /var/log/installer if you can
[12:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68288 in Ubuntu "halting kubuntu live CD/DVD doesn't accept "Press Enter to reboot"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68288
[12:48] <evil_monkey> ok i'll try
[12:49] <evil_monkey> but why its using en_AU in the first place when i selected en_US i think when installing system
[12:50] <evil_monkey> hm no more errors after installer reached "generating locales" and generated en_AU...
[12:51] <secretlondon> i had the opposite with it setting en_US when I set en_GB
[12:51] <evil_monkey> is it possible to change it system-wide after upgrade?
[12:52] <secretlondon> but then it didn't make a user (!) so I'm about to try and reproduce
[12:52] <secretlondon> evil_monkey: I presume so
[12:52] <secretlondon> you can set locale in kde/gnome I think
[12:52] <evil_monkey> well i'll see in "about 8 minutes"
[12:52] <evil_monkey> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=493348&referrerid=195877
[12:52] <evil_monkey> it's similar to this
[12:52] <evil_monkey> there are possible ways to fix this so maybe i'll manage somehowto get it up and running
[12:53] <secretlondon> evil_monkey: thats the old compiz bug afaik which is fixed
[12:54] <evil_monkey> but i've never even used it, i just wanted to upgrade dapper hm
[12:54] <evil_monkey> well ok, maybe itll work
[12:55] <secretlondon> I don't know - i think there are 2 bugs on that thread
[12:55] <secretlondon> I'm not really sure why people submit bugs to random forums tho
[12:55] <evil_monkey> i threw a fragment of the error im getting at google
[12:55] <evil_monkey> and that's how i found this thread
[12:56] <evil_monkey> in fourth post there is excerpt from a log
[12:56] <evil_monkey> and there are messages im getting too
[12:56] <secretlondon> yeah
[12:56] <secretlondon> they are much more useful on launchpad - the locale bugs seem to be connected to the oem install
[12:57] <secretlondon> but please add a bug with your info
[12:57] <secretlondon> I have to re-do my install to see if kubuntu alt is still borked
[12:57] <secretlondon> I'll bbl
[12:57] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68289 in firefox (main) "unchanged icon" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68289
[01:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68291 in Ubuntu "GDM Restarts after Desktop loads while using tdfx driver" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68291
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68293 in sysvinit (main) "[edgy]  /var/run is mounted before /var" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68293
[01:10] <Cyorxamp> Ubuntu is gay
[01:10] <Cyorxamp> And so are all of you
[01:10] <Cyorxamp> !ops
[01:10] <ubotu> Help!  Keybuk, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob, Hobbsee, imbrandon, DBO or gnomefreak!
[01:27] <Cyorxamp> yes... ops!
[01:27] <Cyorxamp> !ops
[01:27] <gnomefreak> LjL: staff is here
[01:27] <FireRabbit> alright good get rid of that guy
[01:28] <numist> I really need the ubuntu people's quiet script
[01:28] <Fujitsu> He'll be back.
[01:29] <numist> I'll hang out for a while.  if there are problems, have an #ubuntu op hilight me
[01:29] <FireRabbit> thanks numist
[01:32] <gnomefreak> numist: i hear #ubuntuforums also
[01:32] <numist> looks like they found an op
[01:34] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68294 in dmraid (universe) "Freeze Exception Request for dmraid" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68294
[01:34] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68297 in fontconfig (main) "[kubuntu]  [edgy]  ugly small fonts in all applications" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68297
[01:34] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68298 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed installing 6.10 over 6.04" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68298
[01:38] <FireRabbit> my mind tricks didnt work on him, he is obviously very experienced at this
[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68299 in Ubuntu "logbot in #ubuntu-directory" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68299
[02:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68300 in rhythmbox (main) "adding songs to ipod shuffle doesn't update iTunesDB properly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68300
[03:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68301 in serpentine (main) "[edgy]  serpentine stalls 'Preparing media files'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68301
[03:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68304 in Ubuntu "List of wireless networks don't show" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68304
[03:22] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68302 in spim (multiverse) "xspim window without buttons or with buttons that dont work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68302
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68306 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu doesn't work perfectly with USB Nokia 770" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68306
[03:27] <bddebian> Boo
[03:32] <Nafallo> bddebian: ha! you nailed it today again :-)
[03:33] <bddebian> Heh, hi Nafallo
[03:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68308 in Ubuntu "Meta-bug:  Ubuntu needs major software RAID overhaul" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68308
[04:02] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68309 in vlc (universe) "VLC frequently crashes when watching http://www.americafree.tv/VLC/" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68309
[04:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68310 in nautilus (main) "Nautilus don't write in media mounted by fuse." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68310
[04:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68311 in lintian (main) "lintian should not depend upon dash, but rather, and complient shell." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68311
[04:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68312 in netbase (main) "Incorrect port for kpasswd entry in /etc/services" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68312
[04:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68313 in firefox (main) "Occasional firefox crash when re-arranging a tab which is loading" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68313
[04:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68314 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68314
[04:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68315 in Ubuntu "Serial Mouse don't detected in Dapper Desktop CD." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68315
[05:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68316 in firefox (main) "Firefox Flash-Player Crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68316
[05:21] <numist> I'm going to assume that you guys are ok now.  msg me if anything comes up
[05:42] <carthik> Hi folks
[05:46] <carthik> anyone around?
[05:46] <carthik> :)
[05:47] <orion2012> Sort of.
[05:56] <crass> I'm using edgy and I think there's a bug in pthread_exit from libc or gnome-panel
[06:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68317 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crash (AMD64)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68317
[06:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68318 in Ubuntu "6.10-rc-desktop-amd64.iso will not boot HP pavilion a1410n" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68318
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68319 in Ubuntu "Right button and middle click on mouse are swapped" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68319
[08:09] <Ubugtu> New bug: #67931 in Ubuntu "Khmer Fonts package missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67931
[08:11] <Kagou> hi
[08:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68321 in istanbul (universe) "Import Error: No module named ltihooks" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68321
[08:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68322 in evolution (main) "Alarm notify" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68322
[08:28] <ubuntu_demon> Hey'
[08:28] <ubuntu_demon> I have a question :)
[08:29] <ubuntu_demon> What's the proper package/place to file a bug to for hibernation and suspend not working properly ?
[08:29] <crimsun> against the proper linux-source-2.6.1x source package
[08:29] <crimsun> in very rare instances it's acpi-support
[08:30] <ubuntu_demon> thanks
[08:30] <ubuntu_demon> I'll first try whether I can fix it somehow in /etc/default/acpi-support
[08:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68324 in gaim (main) "Crash During deleting account" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68324
[08:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68325 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes after being open for an extended period of time" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68325
[09:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68327 in firefox (main) "Crashes with some pages (reproducible)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68327
[09:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68326 in evolution (main) "Folders with unread mail inside are prefixed by folder-display|" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68326
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68328 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "suspend-to-ram and hibernate-to-disk don't work properly." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68328
[09:21] <crimsun> ubuntu_demon: in the future, ``dmesg'' only is more helpful, usually, for 68328.
[09:22] <crimsun> (less clutter)
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68329 in pbuilder (main) "Hal dependancy breaks publider build" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68329
[09:25] <ubuntu_demon> crimsun: shall I post dmesg too ?
[09:25] <crimsun> ubuntu_demon: not really necessary since you've included syslog.
[09:27] <ubuntu_demon> crimsun: but does it help ?
[09:28] <crimsun> ubuntu_demon: the kernel team normally asks for dmesg. It won't hurt, no.
[09:28] <ubuntu_demon> crimsun: okay thanks
[09:29] <ubuntu_demon> crimsun: done :)
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68331 in Ubuntu "false positive regarding update just after an automaticaly warned update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68331
[09:31] <ubuntu_demon> brb
[09:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68330 in network-manager (main) "Failure to reconnect to wifi after resume" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68330
[09:31] <xipietotec> how do I file a bug against a package?
[09:35] <Nafallo> slomo_: morning
[09:39] <xipietotec> I'd like to file a bug for this problem: update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-386
[09:39] <xipietotec> [: 89: name: unexpected operator
[09:39] <xipietotec> basename: extra operand `of'
[09:39] <xipietotec> Try `basename --help' for more information.
[09:39] <xipietotec> but I have no idea how
[09:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68332 in mail-notification (universe) "preferences dialog always shown on launch" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68332
[09:40] <crimsun> hmm.
[09:41] <crimsun> xipietotec: dpkg -l initramfs-tools|grep ^ii|awk '{print $3}'
[09:41] <xipietotec> 0.69ubuntu20
[09:42] <xipietotec> is the return
[09:46] <ubuntu_demon> Anything I can do to help with my new bug : "New bug: #68328 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "suspend-to-ram and hibernate-to-disk don't work properly." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68328" ?
[09:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68328 in linux-source-2.6.17 "suspend-to-ram and hibernate-to-disk don't work properly." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[09:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68333 in ia32-libs-openoffice.org (main) "tables imported to database from Windows Access" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68333
[09:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68334 in spca5xx (universe) "webcam problems" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68334
[09:47] <xipietotec> crimsun any ideas?
[09:47] <dholbach> GOOD MORNING
[09:47] <ubuntu_demon> good morning :)
[09:47] <crimsun> xipietotec: I currently don't have resources to investigate further
[09:48] <xipietotec> oh, 'kay =)
[09:53] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68335 in xorg (main) "/etc/X11/Xsession.d scripts exist twice" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68335
[10:07] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68338 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "sky2 driver stalls" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68338
[10:14] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68337 in xorg-server (main) "Server crash on ACPI suspend/resume" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68337
[10:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68339 in gnucash (universe) "Gnucash can't read (or write ?) its own files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68339
[10:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68341 in kdepim (main) "Korganizer icon in the System Tray doesn't start Korganizer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68341
[10:54] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68342 in human-icon-theme (main) "New About icon is a different size than the Help icon" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68342
[10:58] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68343 in ubuntu-docs (main) "French packaging guide not installed in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68343
[11:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68344 in fuse (main) "Error while loading modules.dep, break edubuntu install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68344
[11:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68345 in seahorse (universe) "seahorse-agent applet crash when trying to show its window" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68345
[11:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68346 in gimp (main) "Wacom PenPartner 2 does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68346
[11:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68347 in bluez-gnome (main) "crashes on start-up sometimes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68347
[11:20] <ubuntu_demon> Hey
[11:21] <ubuntu_demon> Where do I report a bug on a special key that is recognized by "lshal -m" as "media" but doesn't launch anything ?
[11:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68349 in chromium (universe) "chromium crash during gaming" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68349
[11:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68351 in libaqbanking (universe) "Please enable ofxdirectconnect backend." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68351
[11:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68352 in pgadmin3 (universe) "crash when clicking on the "update" button" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68352
[11:57] <ubuntu_demon> Does anyone know whether the synaptics touchpad should disable while typing ? It doesn't on mine.
[11:57] <ubuntu_demon> I'm running Edgy
[11:57] <ubuntu_demon> Did I find a bug ? :)
[11:58] <crimsun> it does not by default. Not a bug.
[11:59] <ubuntu_demon> Okay thanks :)
[11:59] <ubuntu_demon> This is my first laptop ;)
[12:00] <spacey_> Is there a way to enable that sort of behavior? Sounds like a dream come true
[12:01] <ubuntu_demon> spacey_: I believe there is a way through xorg.conf. I'm searching for it now :)
[12:02] <ubuntu_demon> spacey_: I found something : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=271052
[12:02] <helgesdk> Hi, I'm just passing by to leave a bugreport/suggestion.
[12:02] <helgesdk> If any screensaver is enabled while updating the system, it should be automatically disabled until the installation has ended.
[12:02] <helgesdk> 3 days ago I updated to Edgy. I did so by editing sources.list and running sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade.
[12:02] <helgesdk> I left the computer on, went to work and when I came back the screensaver had locked the screen. No biggie. I thought, but apparently my password didn't work! I'm 100% sure I didn't mistype or forget anything here.
[12:02] <helgesdk> I made a new login but couldn't figure out how to check if the installation was successful. Apparently it wasn't, it must've stopped somewhere and waited for user input, because next thing I knew it, I couldn't reboot my computer! The new kernel acted up and paniced, I think it was because the init-part wasn't completely installed.
[12:02] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68353 in hotkey-setup (main) ""lshal -m" sees my "media" key but nothing happens." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68353
[12:02] <helgesdk> Anyway, I had an older kernel still installed which I managed to get working. I fired it up, completed the installation with dpkg --configure -a, checked that it was ok and it worked fine after that.
[12:03] <helgesdk> Still, many people might not have figured out how to solve the problem, and I was only lucky to have an old kernel installed (the previous Dapper kernel didn't work either).
[12:03] <helgesdk> Sorry for the long text input.
[12:05] <ubuntu_demon> 68353 was mine .. I'm hunting for bugs with my laptop ;)
[12:05] <spacey_> ubuntu_daemon: The touchpad is a lot more sensetive and twitchy under linux. That's a great improvement
[12:05] <ubuntu_demon> spacey_: I'm going to test it now .. brb :)
[12:05] <helgesdk> I'm off to work now. Bye. Hope my input was useful.
[12:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68354 in Ubuntu "Vista breaks Ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68354
[12:07] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68355 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "no boot on a P4 " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68355
[12:11] <ubuntu_demon> spacey_: it works nicely
[12:11] <spacey_> great, thanks!
[12:14] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68357 in xserver-xorg-input-keyboard (main) "Spanish layout misses ~ combinations" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68357
[12:28] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68362 in gnome-system-tools (main) "No explanation when Disks Manager cannot unmount" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68362
[12:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68363 in acpi-support (main) "Strange script" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68363
[12:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68364 in network-manager (main) "network-manager blocks my keyboard" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68364
[12:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68361 in libpam-openafs-session (universe) "pam authenticate " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68361
[12:53] <pirast> congratulations everyone to the release of ubuntu 6.10 :-)
[01:02] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68369 in Ubuntu "Hard disks are not visible in the livecd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68369
[01:08] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68370 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (main) "Synaptics touchpad not enabled for second X display" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68370
[01:19] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68371 in linux-meta (main) "Kernel Panic when I plug a pcmcia wireless card smc2635w" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68371
[01:27] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68372 in openoffice.org2-amd64 (main) "OpenOffice.org crashes when pasting text to Evolution" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68372
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68375 in Ubuntu "Download page has Norwegian mirror under "New Zealand"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68375
[02:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68373 in nautilus (main) "No indication of speed when transferring with nautilus" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68373
[02:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68374 in gaim (main) "Gaim crashed while I'm left." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68374
[02:04] <zoydberg> Hi, where can I find some documentation on providing a patch for a source package to fix a bug?
[02:20] <seb128> zoydberg: maybe on the wiki
[02:21] <seb128> zoydberg: usually it's easy, just run "diff -u file_not_patched file_patched" to get the diff
[02:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68376 in update-manager (main) "Dapper > Edgy update fails in hplip_1.6.9-0ubuntu2_i386.deb" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68376
[02:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68377 in Ubuntu "expands file as a directory" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68377
[02:26] <zoydberg> seb128: so I would just make the change, rebuild the source package and then diff the two source packages?
[02:26] <seb128> zoydberg: before building is better if you want to avoid to list all the build files diff
[02:27] <seb128> zoydberg: otherwise you can update the changelog with dch, patch you package, rebuild and run debdiff between previous and new
[02:29] <zoydberg> seb128: thanks, I'll have a play around
[02:32] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68378 in update-manager (main) "Broken dependencie: samba_3.0.22-1ubuntu4_i386.deb" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68378
[02:32] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68379 in gnomebaker (universe) "Update .desktop file with Polish entries (diff included)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68379
[02:39] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68380 in eclipse (universe) "eclipse for edgy-updates" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68380
[02:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68381 in firefox (main) "Icon in window title and gnome panel still is the old one" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68381
[02:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68382 in kile (universe) "cite completion is overridden by command completion" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68382
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68383 in Ubuntu "automounter ignores UUID entries in fstab" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68383
[03:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68384 in update-manager (main) "german translation wrong" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68384
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68385 in eclipse (universe) "eclipse exits with a kdialog error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68385
[03:27] <jonh_wendell> seb128: i didn't understand what you did in bug 68374
[03:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68374 in pango "gaim crashed after pango_parse_markup call" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68374
[03:28] <jonh_wendell> seb128: i do use gaim and i have no such problem
[03:28] <seb128> jonh_wendell: I copied the backtrace to a comment, reassigning and forwarded upstream
[03:28] <seb128> jonh_wendell: and?
[03:28] <jonh_wendell> seb128: why don't that bug happen with me?
[03:29] <seb128> why should it happen?
[03:29] <jonh_wendell> seb128: i use the same version of gaim
[03:29] <seb128> it probably happened once only to the submitter due to some corner situation or a string or something
[03:29] <seb128> if it was happening for every gaim user we would have a lot of bugs about it ;)
[03:30] <seb128> usually bugs don't happen all the time to everybody
[03:30] <seb128> or it would not be possible to use the software at all
[03:30] <ogra> it would be bugfree very quickly :)
[03:40] <jonh_wendell_> seb128: if you answered me, can you repeat, please? my network had a little failure
 seb128: why don't that bug happen with me?
 why should it happen?
 seb128: i use the same version of gaim
 it probably happened once only to the submitter due to some corner situation or a string or something
[03:40] <seb128>  if it was happening for every gaim user we would have a lot of bugs about it ;)
[03:40] <seb128>  usually bugs don't happen all the time to everybody
[03:40] <seb128>  or it would not be possible to use the software at all
 it would be bugfree very quickly :)
[03:41] <jonh_wendell_> seb128: how did you figure out that pango is the killer?
[03:41] <seb128> look at the backtrace
[03:41] <seb128> there is no gaim function there
[03:41] <seb128> the top 10 from the stack is pango and GTK code only
[03:41] <seb128> it crashes somewhere to pango
[03:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68386 in smbldap-tools (universe) "smbldap-useradd should set gecos and displayName to username if none specified." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68386
[03:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68387 in bittorrent (main) "[Edgy]  python2.5 default breaks bittorrent" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68387
[03:46] <jonh_wendell_> which package installs the slink: /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/locales ?
[03:46] <jonh_wendell_> seb128: i need to know this because of bug 67586
[03:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67586 in Ubuntu "default homepage nonexistant" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67586
[03:47] <jonh_wendell_> seb128: dpkg -S didn't find anything
[03:48] <seb128> jonh_wendell_: ubuntu-docs, that's an alternative
[03:49] <jonh_wendell_> seb128: i saw this... is it created from some post-inst of some package?
[03:50] <seb128> /var/lib/dpkg/info/ubuntu-docs.postinst
[03:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68389 in Ubuntu "update from libc6-2.4-ubuntu10 to *-ubuntu12 fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68389
[03:52] <jonh_wendell_> seb128: something happened, i guess this script was not run...
[03:52] <jonh_wendell_> seb128: a dpkg-reconfigure ubuntu-docs fixes it?
[03:53] <seb128> jonh_wendell: I don't have the issue so I can't say if a reconfigure will fix it, you can try
[03:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68391 in acpi-support (main) "Regression: Brightness up restarts X in Edgy with Asus V6J" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68391
[03:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68390 in xorg (main) "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg fail to detect hardware" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68390
[04:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68392 in firefox (main) "crashed during update of extensions (allpeers, piggybank)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68392
[04:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68393 in amule (universe) "amule 2.1.3 (edgy) crashes when closing or stopping the last search" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68393
[04:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68394 in kdebase (main) "konqueror crashes after select menu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68394
[04:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68396 in openoffice.org (main) "openoffice.org for edgy-updates" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68396
[04:34] <jonh_wendell> seb128: can you help me on bug 67586? i guess that guy is getting furious with me
[04:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67586 in Ubuntu "default homepage nonexistant" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67586
[04:35] <seb128> jonh_wendell: nobody looks furious, don't worry
[04:35] <seb128> I can comment on the bug if you want
[04:36] <jonh_wendell> seb128: please, do it.
[04:37] <jonh_wendell> seb128: in the last case he can create the slink manually... but i don't think this is a good idea...
[04:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68398 in Ubuntu "Trash icon in gnome panel always displays empty state" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68398
[04:46] <seb128> jonh_wendell: added
[04:46] <seb128> tuxmaniac: thank you
[04:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68399 in openafs (universe) "openafs does not build with module_assistant" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68399
[04:47] <jonh_wendell> seb128: thanks
[04:48] <seb128> jonh_wendell: np
[04:48] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68397 in ubiquity (main) "This message appears when I try installing Kubuntu and I cannot install it." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68397
[04:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68400 in update-manager (main) ""Could not install the upgrades" - installArchives() failed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68400
[05:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68401 in lighttpd (universe) "Cannot remove the lighttpd pkg from Edgy Eft" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68401
[05:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68402 in gaim (main) "/tmp/_usr_bin_gaim.EBpDyM.crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68402
[05:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68403 in gnome-panel (main) "Gnome-panel freezes regularly during use" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68403
[05:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68404 in Ubuntu "Mathematica 5.2 display very slow" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68404
[05:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68405 in lilo (main) "Lilo installation error on Software RAID" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68405
[05:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68406 in sarg (universe) "Incorrect shell specification causes "Bad substitution" syntax error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68406
[05:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68409 in gnome-print (main) "Multiple logical pages per physical page mode does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68409
[05:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68407 in update-manager (main) "Upgrade 6.06->6.10: Could not install '/var/cache/apt/archives/samba_3.0.22-1ubuntu4_i386.deb'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68407
[06:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68408 in subversion (main) "libsvn-javahl 1.3.2-3ubuntu2 Crashes Eclipse 3.2.1 in Ubuntu 6.10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68408
[06:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68411 in update-manager (main) "Upgrade 6.06->6.10: Could not install the upgrades" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68411
[06:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68412 in evince (main) "Evince doesn't show a .PS file correctly." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68412
[06:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68413 in gaim (main) "gaim crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68413
[06:39] <jonh_wendell> there are a lot of bug reports like: gaim crashed. Is gaim the champion?
[06:43] <bddebian> Boo
[06:43] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68414 in beagle (main) "Don't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68414
[06:45] <jonh_wendell> lp is too slow... is edgy's release fault??
[06:53] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68415 in openoffice.org (main) "Writer crashes if you insert a picture" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68415
[06:53] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68417 in upstart (main) "'sudo init 6' fails after dapper->edgy upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68417
[07:09] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68418 in firefox (main) "don't load some images (others going ok)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68418
[07:09] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68419 in Ubuntu "kubuntu edgy desktop CD has the wrong version on its application browser" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68419
[07:13] <dufresnep> I have someone really unhappy by the way I triaged his bug. Indeed I feel I was not too well doing, being one of the first bug I triaged. Could someone more experimented could take a look at it? This is bug #59620.
[07:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59620 in parted "This ext2 filesystem has a rather strange layout (newer ext2/ext3)" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59620
[07:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68420 in epiphany-browser (main) "Epiphany crashed when deleting all boomarks" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68420
[07:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68421 in update-manager (main) "6.06->6.10 hangs on both i386 and amd64, log filled with "too many values to unpack" (ValueError)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68421
[07:22] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68422 in update-manager (main) "dist-upgrade unsuccessful: "Could not install 'nessusd'"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68422
[07:22] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68424 in yelp (main) "Linux pronunciation guide is wrong." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68424
[07:22] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68425 in Ubuntu "can not install ubuntu into sata hard disk" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68425
[07:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68427 in gaim (main) "Adding Account" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68427
[07:27] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68428 in Ubuntu "Nautilus (on the right side) very little Gnome Logo" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68428
[07:27] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68430 in Ubuntu "dapper -> edgy upgrade breaks X " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68430
[07:32] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68423 in powersave (universe) "powersaved: frequency scaling not working [FIX included] " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68423
[07:32] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68429 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "CRLF injection vulnerability in Adobe Flash Player plugin" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68429
[07:32] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68431 in Ubuntu "No PS/2 keyboard under Edgy Eft" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68431
[07:42] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68432 in hwdb-client (main) "Wording is confussing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68432
[07:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68434 in kdegraphics (main) "Vertical Bar not positioned correctly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68434
[07:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68433 in xorg (main) "X in 6.10 ISO Cd installer doesn't work for ATI card" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68433
[07:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68435 in xmodmap (main) "Wrong file location (edgy)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68435
[08:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68436 in firefox (main) "crash width flash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68436
[08:07] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68437 in amarok (main) "Amarok hangs when switching from a stream to another." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68437
[08:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68439 in Baltix (universe) "New gnome-commander's upstream release (v.1.2.1) with important bugfixes is ready since 2006-10-17" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68439
[08:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68441 in blender (universe) "blender on edgy causes user to be logged out" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68441
[08:18] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68440 in xorg (main) "X does not work in Xen, causes crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68440
[08:27] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68442 in kopete-meanwhile (universe) "Kopete crashes when connecting to a Sametime server" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68442
[08:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68443 in xorg (main) "/usr/bin/X in x11-common package is "true" binary" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68443
[08:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68444 in digikam (universe) "trying to install showfoto on edgy eft!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68444
[08:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68445 in digikam (universe) "trying to install showfoto on edgy eft!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68445
[08:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68446 in flash-player (multiverse) "Firefox crashes after loading website with Flash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68446
[08:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68449 in meta-j2re1.4-mozilla (multiverse) "Segfault when I try login in firefox to my web application  by 3rd party java applet" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68449
[08:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68450 in Ubuntu "Start New Login in a nested Window fail (GDM?)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68450
[08:54] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68447 in Ubuntu "Edgy 6.10: Misterious bar under mouse cursor" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68447
[09:14] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68452 in jpilot-syncmal (universe) "jpilot-syncmal trashes Avantgo settings after Edgy update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68452
[09:17] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68453 in update-manager (main) "u-m GUI shows no feedback when mirrors are slow, timing out." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68453
[09:22] <secretlondon> hi
[09:24] <ausimage> Hello I wanted to let you know that Galeon is totally borked in Edgy. bug #58682 is keeping it from being a usable browser. Someone needs to make it be more graceful when encountering issues with plugins instead of just crashing.
[09:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58682 in galeon "[Edgy]  Consistent Crash while query plugins with Java Script" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58682
[09:28] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68454 in rutilt (universe) "rutilt_0.12-0ubuntu1 fails to build on Ubuntu's build servers..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68454
[09:28] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68455 in gnome-system-tools (main) "[network-admin]  network won't launch gksu, and therefore won't run" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68455
[09:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68456 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Ctrl-Shift-K bound to 2 functions in Compose" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68456
[09:35] <siliconfury> ts
[09:35] <siliconfury> ??? ... hypersensitive touchpad :x
[09:52] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68458 in ubiquity (main) "Abort installation, brings you to login screen -- Kubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68458
[10:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68459 in firefox (main) "Gecko/00000000 in Firefox's user agent string" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68459
[10:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68460 in bluez-utils (main) "No PIN request - no pairing possible" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68460
[10:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68461 in emacs-snapshot (universe) "No xft-support - fonts are not usable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68461
[10:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68462 in gaim (main) "Icon in notifyer area doesn't change from away to available" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68462
[10:17] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68463 in gaim (main) "gaim crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68463
[10:22] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68464 in language-support-en (main) "Package should not depend on Open Office Writer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68464
[10:27] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68465 in powertweak (universe) "[EDGY]  Dist-Upgrade from Dapper breaks" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68465
[10:27] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68466 in Ubuntu "X Error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68466
[10:37] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68467 in Ubuntu "nvidia driver is not available after upgrade to edgy - xserver does not start / only main is enabled" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68467
[10:37] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68468 in Ubuntu "My Logitech QuickCam Fusion is not being detected." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68468
[10:38] <jonh_wendell> so many bugs: gaim crashed...
[10:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68469 in wlassistant (main) "Kdesu doesn't start before WirelessAssitant" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68469
[10:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68470 in ubiquity (main) "On installing with partioning, think clicked finish twice" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68470
[10:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68471 in firefox (main) "Random crash browsing the web" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68471
[10:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68472 in update-manager (main) "improve help text in the statistics tab" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68472
[10:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68473 in f-spot (main) "F-Spot did not shut down when asked" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68473
[10:57] <ausimage> Anyone know I how I can report an overall issue concerning many of the packaged fonts in Edgy?
[10:58] <ausimage> It appears many are requesting to install to /usr/lib/x11/fonts....
[11:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68474 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "TB crashed when viewing RSS feed and marking messages as junk" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68474
[11:07] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68475 in compiz (universe) "segmentation fault with AIGLX" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68475
[11:07] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68476 in banshee (universe) "Could not initialize plugin `Daap'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68476
[11:10] <dabear_> hi
[11:11] <dabear_> xchat seems to open links in konquror, and doesn't follow my prefferred internet application. Do I report this on the xchat package?
[11:13] <secretlondon> i think it's a known bug - i have the same issue with my gnome desktop with kde installed set up
[11:13] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68477 in compiz (universe) "unmet depedencies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68477
[11:13] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68478 in ubiquity (main) "kubuntu instaler stop " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68478
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68479 in f-spot (main) "Crash when slide-show over non-existing images" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68479
[11:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68480 in firefox (main) "Crash on openning a secured page on Ubuntu site. I have Ubuntu 6.10 with Firefox 2.0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68480
[11:27] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68481 in drbd0.7 (universe) "change of /bin/sh to dash in edgy breaks drbd0.7-module-source build" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68481
[11:44] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68482 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 33322036" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68482
[11:58] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68483 in awesfx (universe) "Broken argument parser" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68483
[11:58] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68484 in exuberant-ctags (main) "out of date with respect to upstream" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68484


[19:44] <mellhen> Hello@all: Iam using Kubuntu. But i have a audiophile specific question. Is this the right place to ask?
[20:23] <FloatingGoat> holstein: hi
[20:45] <holstein> hey FloatingGoat
[20:45] <FloatingGoat> you like ulrich schnauss?
[20:45] <holstein> mellen: this is the place
[20:46] <holstein> ill be home in a bit
[20:46] <holstein> im on my phone right now :/
[20:57] <FloatingGoat> what?
[21:00] <mellhen> holstein: actually iam "arguing" in the pulseaudio channel, too. It seems to be a bit strange. my "sb live! 24bit"s driver seems not be able to play s24le. http://pastebin.com/8Gfb3zWf
[21:03] <mellhen> holstein: when i force mplayer to use a specific format, then only 32bit, but not 24bit works. http://pastebin.com/gxBDLyPS
[21:07] <mellhen> holstein: This could be usefull, too: LANG=C pactl list
[21:07] <mellhen>  http://pastebin.com/dtix6Esk
[21:13] <holstein> mellhen: im back :)
[21:14] <holstein> no more phone touchpad keyboard..
[21:14]  * holstein reading
[21:14] <mellhen> holstein: take your time.. ;)
[21:14] <holstein> mellhen: its been my experience that those cards work in 16bit
[21:14] <holstein> personally, i say play it in 16bit
[21:14] <mellhen> holstein: why is 32bit available?
[21:15] <holstein> to sell hardware in my opinion ;)
[21:15] <holstein> i mean, you get proper supported hardware, and it'll work
[21:15] <mellhen> but its only available in linux, not in windows..
[21:15] <holstein> but, if you're not making audio... i wouldnt sweat it
[21:16] <holstein> you wont know the difference anyways
[21:16] <holstein> between 16bit and 24bit
[21:16] <mellhen> .
[21:16] <mellhen> you mean notice?
[21:16] <holstein> right
[21:16] <holstein> you wont be able to hear that
[21:16] <holstein> anyone who says they can more that a percentage of chance... i call BS on
[21:16] <mellhen> maybe you are right.. but i do have a lot of files in 24bit. it hurts to downscale that..
[21:17] <holstein> nah
[21:17] <holstein> what hurts is messing with drivers
[21:17] <holstein> wasting time
[21:17] <holstein> keep at 24, and play em at 16
[21:17] <holstein> and sleep well at night knowing that it doesnt matter :)
[21:17] <mellhen> ;)-
[21:18] <mellhen> ill try to.
[21:18] <mellhen> so nevertheless i will use 16bit and do not care. Why is 32bit "available". this doesnt make any sense to me.
[21:18] <holstein> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN6wjcvQ
[21:19] <holstein> ^^ an intersting 'audio myths' workshop vid a friend turned me on to
[21:19] <holstein> mellhen: its likely just a button
[21:19] <holstein> like in JACK
[21:19] <holstein> we have the options for *some* hardware
[21:19] <holstein> that doesnt mean its supported
[21:19] <mellhen> i do not undestand, why this was implemented in the free(?) linux driver..
[21:19] <holstein> or even supported enough to be properly 'greyed-out' in a menu
[21:20] <holstein> mellhen: was it?
[21:20] <holstein> it could just be a button in the UI
[21:20] <mellhen> http://pastebin.com/8Gfb3zWf
[21:20] <holstein> i mean, if the hardware supports 32 bit, im sure it would work
[21:20] <holstein> its not likely to find hardware that goes above 24 bit
[21:20] <mellhen> it should only support 24. but maybe its locked somehow
[21:21] <holstein> nah
[21:21] <mellhen> by windows driver i mean.
[21:21] <holstein> its just not well supported
[21:21] <mellhen> nah means no?
[21:21] <mellhen> iam not a native
[21:21] <holstein> dont lise sleep over what alsa reports
[21:21] <holstein> and has as options
[21:22] <holstein> you can go *way* deep on these driver issues, and get no where but a little smarter about one particular piece of hardware and what doesnt work about it
[21:22] <mellhen> ok thank you for your video. ill safe it as an driver bug in my brain :)
[21:22] <holstein> mellhen: yeah... nah means no
[21:23] <holstein> mellhen: you can get into it and file alsa bugs
[21:23] <holstein> thats really teh best place to do it
[21:23] <holstein> i find it so challenging to keep up with what needs to be reported
[21:23] <holstein> and also... im never sure if its just something stupid im doing
[21:23] <mellhen> this card is from 2005. they wont do anything i think.
[21:24] <holstein> SB's are pretty bad for getting audio in the computer
[21:24] <holstein> i steet clear of them
[21:24] <holstein> not bad at listening though
[21:27] <mellhen> i just use to hear music in stereo nothing special. i bougt it 5 years ago in ebay.  so nothing special..
[21:27] <holstein> yup
[21:27] <holstein> i got a bunch of them laying around
[21:27] <holstein> support is usually not bad
[21:27] <holstein> we use JACK here mostly though
[21:28] <holstein> with interfaces that have more than 2 inputs
[21:28] <holstein> like 8 or 16
[21:28] <mellhen> yea i know. a friend of mine uses ubuntu studio to record bands and stuff..
[21:28] <holstein> cool :)
[21:28] <holstein> mellhen: welcome to the channel
[21:28] <mellhen> this is why i know ubuntu studio.
[21:29] <mellhen> and that the most audiophile ubuntu users will be found here ;)
[21:40] <mellhen> holstein: could you tell me what the difference between BE and LE is in this ourtput?
[21:40] <mellhen> - U8
[21:40] <mellhen> - S16_LE
[21:40] <mellhen> - S16_BE
[21:40] <mellhen> - S32_LE
[21:40] <mellhen> - S32_BE
[21:40] <mellhen> - FLOAT_LE
[21:40] <mellhen> ..and what is FLOAT_LE; is there faq where i can find information about it?
[21:41] <holstein> i would try someone with alsa experience
[21:41] <holstein> you could ask in #opensourcemusicians
[21:41] <holstein> also, las over in #ardour knows a lot about some things, and a little about everything
[21:41] <holstein> floating is something faked pretty much
[21:41] <holstein> from where ive seen it
[21:42] <holstein> like, my hardware is 24 bit
[21:42] <holstein> and i can record at 32bit float
[21:42] <holstein> which is *not* the native resolution anyways, so i dont bother
[21:43] <holstein> be and le are big endian and little endian AFAIK
[21:43] <holstein> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endianness
[21:47] <mellhen> holstein: thank you.
[21:50] <mellhen> holstein: i will ask the alsa-guys about this 32bit fake.. ;) have a nice day (or night) holstein!
[21:51] <holstein> mellhen: o/