[12:03] <LjL> tried rebooting? ;-P
[12:03] <cryptom> yea, several times
[12:03] <LjL> ok, you know, those linux users, sometimes they think they never need to reboot ;-)
[12:04] <thoreauputic> LjL: which is pretty much true, except for new kernels :)
[12:04] <cryptom> the only thing that could be related is that i changed the LANG values in etc environment... but to be sure its not that, i changed my password to something stupid...
[12:04] <LjL> what's wrong with new kernels?
[12:04] <LjL> ah sorry, you mean when installing new kernels, don't you
[12:05] <thoreauputic> LjL: nothing - but you won't get a new one running without rebooting, obviously
[12:05] <LjL> yeah yeah, i misunderstood
[12:05] <thoreauputic> :)
[12:05] <LjL> tho i think i might have read somewhere that a "kernel hotswapping" system wasn't unthought of
[12:09] <LjL> now what's with Kontact consistently crashing...
[12:09] <kkathman> LJL I have Kontact continually running for like 2 weeks and it hasnt crashed on me
[12:10] <LjL> good for you :) seems to have calmed down anyway... basically KNode was crashing everytime i tried to download netnews
[12:10] <kkathman> ohh Knode is a different thing
[12:10] <kkathman> but thats not Kontact
[12:11] <LjL> oh well, it's run inside kontact isn't it... does kontact do anything at all by itself, anyway?
[12:11] <kkathman> LJL hmmm I dont think so
[12:12] <kkathman> Knode is a separate program
[12:12] <kkathman> Kontact is mail, contacts, and RSS reader
[12:12] <kkathman> it does have a newsreader but maybe thats knode?? Idunno
[12:12] <LjL> kkathman: Kontact has a "News" button on its sidebar, which lets you read NetNews using KNode as a KPart
[12:13] <LjL> but even mail... it ain't really Kontact doing mail, but KMail, AFAIK
[12:13] <LjL> dunno about contacts and RSS
[12:13] <LjL> well, RSS is really Akregator
[12:14] <LjL> and contacts is KAddressBook
[12:14] <LjL> you can find out by going to the "Settings" menu, you'll see a "Configure xxxxx" depending on the program that's actually running inside Kontact
[12:14] <kkathman> yah true enought
[12:15] <kkathman> I dont use the newsreader, or the addressbook per se
[12:15] <kkathman> just the mail and RSS
[12:15] <kkathman> Tm_T uses the whole thing tho I think
[12:15] <kkathman> I DO have knode installed as a separate program...and wasnt too pleased with it
[12:16] <LjL> well, i must say i don't particularly like either KNode or KMail
[12:16] <LjL> they're possibly among the things i like least in KDE
[12:17] <LjL> but i must say i haven't gotten used to them enough yet
[12:18] <kkathman> They are fine for my need for sure
[12:20] <troth> how do i get my hard disks to appear in the storage media tab? hda1 windows(NTFS) hdb1 linux(ext2)
[12:26] <nalioth> ubotu: tell troth about mountwindows
[12:27] <troth> nalioth: perfect thx@
[12:30] <slow-motion> n8
[12:33] <funkyHat> ok, i installed amarok 1.3.5 as someone suggested, and now i get an error and amaroK dies.. http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4049
[12:34] <funkyHat> ok that didn't include the errors
[12:34] <Delvien> lol
[12:35] <funkyHat> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4050
[12:41] <Sgep> Is there a repo for the latest WINE?
[12:42] <smonkey> Does any one mind answering a potentially stupid question?
[12:44] <troth> nalioth: when i ran the script it gave this error : http://pastebin.ca/27551
[12:44] <seth_k> smonkey, go for it
[12:44] <seth_k> makes us feel smart :P
[12:45] <smonkey> Whats the difference between the kubuntu and the kde packages?
[12:45] <kkathman> Sgep: wine is in the standard Breezy repos
[12:45] <smonkey> Glad I could make you feel better about yourself =)
[12:45] <seth_k> hehe
[12:45] <Sgep> WINE 0.9 is?
[12:45] <seth_k> kde packages contain ALLLL of KDE. Kubuntu packages are hand-picked parts of KDE that we think people will use
[12:45] <nalioth> troth: it means you're already done
[12:45] <seth_k> so Kubuntu packages contain the KDE base system, and some KDE apps
[12:46] <seth_k> but not all of them
[12:46] <kkathman> Sgep: I dunno the version
[12:46] <seth_k> however, they're all just metapackage
[12:46] <seth_k> none of them actually contain anything, they just depend on other apps
[12:46] <smonkey> OK> That makes sense.
[12:46] <kkathman> its 0.6.40
[12:46] <seth_k> so you could install kde-base and kdelibs4c2 and just build your own KDE system
[12:46] <troth> nalioth: but it still only shows my floppy drive in media:/
[12:46] <kkathman> sorry that was for Sgep
[12:46] <smonkey> Im new to this whole 'package management' thing.
[12:47] <nalioth> troth: can you edit an fstab?
[12:48] <troth> nalioth: ive never done it before...
[12:48] <smonkey> Is there any way to remove some of the Kubuntu customizations, eithout hand editing KDE's rc files (namely how do I restore the default toolbar layouts)?
[12:48] <nalioth> troth: join #kubuntu-offtopic please
[12:49] <troth> k
[12:49] <kkathman> smonkey: try the KDE menus, and choose "defaults" or "reset"
[12:49] <nalioth> smonkey: visit kubuntu.org and see the faq, there is a question and answer exactly as you've asked
[12:49] <thoreauputic> smonkey: rename your ~/.kde directory, logout, login - you should get basic defaults for everything
[12:49] <kkathman> thoreauputic: hehe...now thats a kewl solution :)
[12:50] <smonkey> Maybe I didn't say that right.
[12:50] <smonkey> I'm not talking about MY customizations.
[12:50] <thoreauputic> kkathman: I've done it a few times :)
[12:50] <kkathman> lol
[12:51] <nalioth> smonkey: visit the kubuntu.org site
[12:51] <smonkey> OK.
[12:51] <kkathman> thoreauputic: nice... makes such simple sense and hadnt thought of it :)
[12:51] <seth_k> smonkey,
[12:51] <seth_k> sudo rm -r /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/konqueror
[12:51] <seth_k> sudo cp /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror-orig.rc /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc
[12:51] <nalioth> kkathman: not too usable, cuz you lose your customizations
[12:51] <nalioth> smonkey: seth_k saved you a trip
[12:51] <kkathman> nalioth: yah but it you want to get back to square one...it works
[12:52] <thoreauputic> nalioth: you do indeed :)
[12:52] <smonkey> seth_k: thanks.
[12:52] <LjL> how safe is compiling Debian source packages and then installing the resulting binary package?
[12:52] <thoreauputic> nalioth: then you can put the pieces back until it breaks, and you know which bit broke it ;-)
[12:52] <kkathman> LjL: uhmm free from all STDs I think
[12:52] <nalioth> LjL: that is the preferred method
[12:53] <LjL> STDs?
[12:53] <kkathman> nm
[12:53] <thoreauputic> LjL: it was a joke
[12:53] <kkathman> a poor one, admitted ly
[12:53] <thoreauputic> heh
[12:53] <LjL> aaah STD
[12:53] <nalioth> kkathman evidentally spends too much time on the wrong side of the tracks
[12:53] <LjL> hey, i'm not even a native speaker, i can't remember all the acronyms you use in english :P
[12:54] <kkathman> nalioth has been doing his best to tarnish my image :(
[12:55] <LjL> :P
[12:56] <thoreauputic> kkathman: he doesn't have to - we all know your evil ways already ;-)
[12:57] <kkathman> alas my reputation precedes me :)
[12:59] <LjL> the bad thing about linux is that (like has happened a few times before) i'm not going to sleep at night until i decide whether to commit to ubuntu or use debian
[12:59] <funkyHat> can anyone help me with this? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4050
[01:00] <LjL> well i do actually use both anyway, since debian is installed on my server, but that's not quite the same thing
[01:01] <thoreauputic> LjL: well, I'm a former Debianista - but Ubuntu has all the advantages and more for me ( you can still use it just like Debian, but it has the 6 monthly release buzz and a great community)
[01:02] <thoreauputic> I had debian woody on my old pentium until a few months ago - but now it's running breezy :)
[01:02] <LjL> the main advantage for me, at the moment, is that contrary to debian, ubuntu just installed and worked, with X and all
[01:02] <funkyHat> my take is debian is great (probably better) for use as a server, and ubuntu for a desktop
[01:02] <smonkey> This is going to get me lynched, but I like Slackware.
[01:02] <thoreauputic> LjL: yes, ubuntu was the first distro to just work out of the box for me
[01:03] <LjL> but, i'm starting to get anxious about updates... maybe it's just a debian thing, but i haven't seen an update from aptitude dist-upgrade since i installed breezy
[01:03] <LjL> makes me nervous =)
[01:03] <thoreauputic> smonkey: no, slackware is a good distro too
[01:03] <funkyHat> oo... i have an upday.
[01:03] <funkyHat> *update
[01:03] <thoreauputic> LjL: heh - different release strategies
[01:04] <funkyHat> doh, 1/2 qwerty 1/2 dvorak! :S
[01:04] <LjL> thoreauputic: suppose so, but at least i hope i'll be getting some updates when backports is ready (whenever it's going to be ready, that is)
[01:04] <LjL> i just can't live with no decent updates for 6 months :o)
[01:05] <thoreauputic> smonkey: I've used slack, and vector which is a slack derivative - I liked both but I'm now used to the debian way so I'm staying with Ubuntu
[01:05] <thoreauputic> LjL: well, backports are OK as long as you know what you are doing
[01:05] <smonkey> Is there any advantage in using systemsettings over kcontrol?
[01:06] <kkathman> gentoo is great if you are a developer and do alot of compiling
[01:06] <thoreauputic> funkyHat: have fun watching screens of gcc output roll by ;)
[01:06] <kkathman> exactly
[01:06] <LjL> apt is the coolest thing since hot water, although apt*itude* (and all the related package-removal facilities) really should be integrated in all the GUI package managers... i'm forced to use the console just because Adept, Synaptic and friends can't support what aptitude does
[01:06] <smonkey> thoreauputic: I am definetly fond of Slackware. It was the first distro I used seriously.  I still run it on my laptop.
[01:07] <funkyHat> i want to steal some stuff from debian/ubuntu though. gentoo's plug and play USB support is pretty poor
[01:07] <LjL> thoreauputic: what do you mean, backports aren't going to just work like other packages? i thought so
[01:07] <thoreauputic> LjL: hmm - yes a GUI frontend for aptitude would be nice I guess
[01:07] <kkathman> LjL: I have used apt since going to the distro  3 releases back...I really like apt..very fast and easy to learn and use
[01:07] <kkathman> and kynaptic, synaptic all basically frontended it I suppose
[01:08] <funkyHat> i don't mind setting it up, but i shouldn't have to configure stuff for every memory stick/other thing i plug in!
[01:08] <LjL> thoreauputic: well, if it were for me, i wouldn't make *a* GUI frontend -- i would integrated aptitude features into the main APT system. after all, the auto-removal of packages just simply makes sense
[01:08] <thoreauputic> LjL: they will work - but sometimes with backports you can get unexpected breakages - hopefully the breezy backports will be better
[01:08] <kkathman> funkyHat: my memory stick worked fine..and just about anything else I plug in...at least so far :)
[01:09] <LjL> thoreauputic: if it's somewhere between debian unstable and testing, it'd be ok... i'm used to debian packages breaking sometimes after updating
[01:09] <funkyHat> yes, that's what i don't like about gentoo
[01:09] <thoreauputic> LjL: that's what I meant about knowing what you are doing
[01:10] <smonkey> thoreauputic: The one thing I found Debian/Ubuntu to have over Slackware is the number of available packages.
[01:10] <thoreauputic> LjL: as the Debian people say "If it breaks you get to keep both pieces"
[01:10] <funkyHat> actually, my take is gentoo is best suited to environments where performance in a limited range of applications is important
[01:10] <LjL> thoreauputic: i don't really know if i do :-) really, if it's worse than debian unstable, i  suppose i could really get into some trouble
[01:10] <thoreauputic> smonkey: yeah - an amazing variety
[01:11] <funkyHat> i.e. a computer that is used for recording and mastering audio, and nothing else
[01:11] <funkyHat> ubuntu is much better as a general purpose desktop
[01:11] <thoreauputic> funkyHat: not to start a distro war, but I saw an article where "experts" set up a gentoo system and a slack system - and slack was faster!
[01:11] <funkyHat> heh
[01:11] <LjL> thoreauputic: the real problem is that it sometimes is "if it breaks, then you'll find that something else totally unrelated will have divided into two broken pieces"
[01:11] <LjL> (you can still keep them, of course)
[01:12] <thoreauputic> LjL: indeed
[01:12] <funkyHat> 'experts' being the single point of failure?
[01:12] <funkyHat> ;)
[01:12] <thoreauputic> funkyHat: it was a balanced review actually, and both sides said they were surprised ;)
[01:13] <funkyHat> hehe
[01:13] <LjL> now why should a website title "Working with CVS" when they're using subversion, i wonder?
[01:13] <thoreauputic> funkyHat: the optimisations are grossly overrated IMO
[01:13] <funkyHat> they were probably setting up a general purpose system
[01:13] <funkyHat> yes, they are
[01:14] <thoreauputic> funkyHat: but gentoo has a nice packaging system - I just don't have time for compiling everything (yes, I know you don't *have* to)
[01:15] <funkyHat> but it is helpful that i can choose not to compile in support for ANYTHING but CD, GTK, audio, and the other 2 or 3 things i need on that particular system
[01:15] <LjL> thoreauputic: it's also a matter of having the disk space to keep the sources for everything, i suppose
[01:15] <funkyHat> i have a 700mHz p3 running audacity better than it runs on here (1600mHz sempron)
[01:16] <funkyHat> thoreauputic, i agree, but i did have plenty of time, lol
[01:16] <thoreauputic> funkyHat: of course slackware, debian, or ubuntu can also be installed as a base system to which you only add what you need
[01:17] <funkyHat> yes, but not compiling in stuff that you don't need (when you do it on a large scale, which most users can't), does produce better results
[01:18] <smonkey> You could also build the whole system from source yourself...
[01:18] <funkyHat> yes, but that means no packaging system, dependency hell, and lots of manual updating
[01:18] <LjL> well i suppose gentoo's purpose it precisely to make building the whole system easier
[01:19] <thoreauputic> smonkey: you could - Debian from scratch :)  A bit pointless given that apt and co are the big advantages
[01:19] <john-robinson> morning all
[01:19] <LjL> tho i'm not sure how building a system from APT source packages would work out
[01:19] <john-robinson> any gurus here?
[01:19] <john-robinson> I've just popped over from #unichrome
[01:19] <smonkey> thoreauputic: He did say he had a lot of time to waste.
[01:19] <thoreauputic> funkyHat: woah - have you heard of apt-get build-dep? Or apt-get -b <package> ? and so on...
[01:19] <john-robinson> and my question is: which via (Unichrome) driver does kubuntu 5.10 ship with?
[01:20] <LjL> thoreauputic: i was thinking precisely of that... really, i do wonder how easy it would be (and how comparable to gentoo's way) to build a system using apt-get source and apt-get build-dep
[01:20] <thoreauputic> LjL: I'll never find out ;-)
[01:21] <LjL> me neither, i suppose, but it'd be interesting to know
[01:21] <funkyHat> thoreauputic, no, what's that in relationship to?
[01:21] <LjL> well i suppose that Gentoo offers some user-friendly way to choose configure options (and get dependencies accordingly), that apt packages don't
[01:22] <thoreauputic> funkyHat: the point being that you can use a Debian packaging system to satisfy all compiling dependencies
[01:22] <LjL> funkyHat: "apt-get source <package>" downloads the source-code version of a package
[01:22] <funkyHat> me mentioning dependencies and such with compiling a system from scratch?
[01:22] <funkyHat> ah right
[01:22] <thoreauputic> funkyHat: right
[01:22] <LjL> funkyHat: "apt-get build-dep <package>" downloads the source dependencies for the package
[01:22] <funkyHat> ok
[01:23] <LjL> funkyHat: "apt-get -b <package>" builds the package and creates a binary .deb package
[01:23] <john-robinson> LjL: yes it does, not fantastically user-friendly, but obviously dependencies vary depending on the --with-options you pass to configure, and it gets that right
[01:23] <propagandhi> john-robinson: http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/x11/xserver-xorg-driver-via
[01:23] <funkyHat> but debian doesn't provide a way to easily manage what gets compiled in ;)
[01:23] <thoreauputic> and  apt-get install apt-howto tells you more than you ever wanted to know on the subject ;)
[01:23] <LjL> john-robinson: yeah, i presumed that would be the main attractive over using source apt or something like that
[01:24] <LjL> john-robinson: when compiling from source, i can definitely see how useful it would be to have dependencies downloaded automatically taken from the configure options
[01:24] <LjL> john-robinson: with debian/ubuntu, i'm constantly doing "./configure" [error!] , "apt-get install source-package", "./configure" [error!] , etc
[01:24] <funkyHat> i know, it's an odd test-case, but it shows that gentoo can (in a very few cases, perhaps 3? ;)) have a serious advantage over binary distros
[01:25] <Delvien> what command to run the screenshot program in KDE
[01:25] <thoreauputic> LjL: you might enjoy auto-apt :)
[01:25] <LjL> hmm let me have a look
[01:25] <john-robinson> LjL: Gentoo's not quite like that, you pick so-called USE flags, and the build system uses them to work out dependencies and pass configure options
[01:26] <Delvien> anyone know ?
[01:26] <propagandhi> Delvien: theres ksnapshot
[01:26] <LjL> oh, yeah, i think i've read about auto-apt before, but forgot about it
[01:26] <LjL> the idea is certainly very cool
[01:26] <john-robinson> e.g. USE=aa will pass --with-aa (the ascii art library) to any package that supports it, and will fetch libaa when you do
[01:26] <john-robinson> propagandhi: thanks!
[01:27] <LjL> john-robinson: that *is* basically what i was thinking of
[01:27] <propagandhi> john-robinson: no worries, if its useful that is
[01:27] <john-robinson> well will have to look closely but yes it should be
[01:27] <thoreauputic> hehehe - now I can tell everyone how off-topic they are ;)
[01:28] <LjL> thoreauputic: are you actually using auto-apt?
[01:28] <thoreauputic> LjL: hardly ever :)
[01:28] <thoreauputic> LjL: I sometimes use apt-get build-dep
[01:29] <thoreauputic> LjL: but I only compile stuff like the latest fluxbox, mostly
[01:29] <LjL> i find that build-dep usually tries to install waay to much stuff... also, it doesn't work well with aptitude :(
[01:29] <nalioth> LjL: why do you do all that writing?
[01:30] <LjL> i only compile stuff like the stuff that isn't in ubuntu (or debian, depending), mostly
[01:30] <nalioth> LjL: let apt-get do the work for you
[01:30] <LjL> nalioth: what are you referring to?
[01:30] <nalioth> LjL: compiling stuff
[01:31] <LjL> nalioth: well, on one hand, i often compile stuff that does *not* come in a package... and on the other hand, as i said, build-dep is often too fond of installing stuff
[01:32] <LjL> ... stuff that can't be automatically removed with aptitude later, morepver
[01:32] <LjL> i mean -- if i install "xlibs-dev" using aptitude, for example, it will install a ton of dependencies... but i can just do "aptitude remove xlibs-dev" and all the dependencies will be removed automatically, without needing to keep track of them
[01:33] <LjL> but if i use apt-get's source package commodities, this doesn't work anymore
[01:35] <thoreauputic> LjL: it can be quite useful to keep those deps hanging around, I find - subsequent compiles often use similar libs etc and I don't have to get them again
[01:35] <thoreauputic> but that assumes you have some space for the stuff
[01:36] <LjL> yeah
[01:36] <LjL> and that's the problem :)
[01:36] <LjL> that stuff often comes at the cost of some hundred megs
[01:36] <thoreauputic> LjL: there's always deborphan
[01:37] <thoreauputic> and debfoster
[01:37] <LjL> i know... but when you use aptitude, apt-get, deborphan and friends just tend to get in the way, unfortunately
[01:37] <LjL> really, i think "the aptitude way" ought to be integrated in the whole APT system
[01:38] <nalioth> LjL: aptitude parses the dpkg installed db
[01:38] <LjL> having the lone aptitude program using logics that are incompatible with most other apt-related programs is a weak point for APT, imho
[01:39] <thoreauputic> LjL: given he usual pace of Debian changes, you might get your wish in about a decade or so <grin>
[01:39] <LjL> hehe
[01:39] <LjL> anyway, really, deborphan and all that is all stuff that i *do* use, just inconsistently
[01:40] <LjL> i think i'll really have a serious look at auto-apt
[01:40] <LjL> if auto-apt can be made to run an "aptitude unmarkauto <just-installed-package>" for everything it installs, i think it'd come very useful for compiling
[01:40] <LjL> sorry, i meant "aptitude MARKauto"
[01:41] <LjL> so that the next time aptitude is run, the auto-apt installed packages get removed
[01:42] <thoreauputic> LjL: or just use debfoster and it will ask if you want them removed
[01:43] <LjL> don't forget also "dpkg -l | grep "ii" | grep "\-dev", and then remove everything you don't like ;-)
[01:43] <LjL> that's the way i do it most often :)
[01:45] <LjL> you probably just have more diskpace than i :)
[01:46] <thoreauputic> LjL: well, I just don't have a lot of big p0rn videos ;-)
[01:46] <LjL> hey hey what are you insinuating? :-P
[01:46] <funkyHat> can anyone help me with this? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4050 S(
[01:46] <funkyHat> :(
[01:46] <thoreauputic> Hehe
[01:47] <kkathman> thoreauputic: now that you mention it...I was reading apt-get autoclean and didnt exactly get the diff between it and just clean
[01:48] <kkathman> is the diff that autoclean will locate sub-dependencies that arent needed any more?
[01:48] <thoreauputic> kkathman: autoclean just wipes stuff that's outdated -  clean wipes everything
[01:48] <kkathman> so when would you ever use clean then?
[01:48] <thoreauputic> kkathman: autoclean wipes packages that aren't ever going to be used again
[01:49] <LjL> kkathman: both clean and autoclean only wipe out the *cache*, not the actual installed stuff
[01:49] <LjL> cache = the downloaded .deb's, basically
[01:49] <thoreauputic> kkathman: well, clean will get you a big chunk of disc space
[01:49] <kkathman> hmm wonder why that wasnt apt-cache clean then...makes more sense I guess
[01:49] <kkathman> lol
[01:50] <LjL> kkathman: yeah, that's something i often type by mistake ;)
[01:50] <thoreauputic> kkathman: are you questioning the ways of apt ?
[01:50] <kkathman> ok...so say I do an apt-get install on a package....then do a remove... I know that doesnt always remove everything that was installed...
[01:50] <LjL> (the other thing i always type by mistake is "ls --sort=date" instaed of "ls --sort=time", i never ever once can remember which one is right)
[01:50] <kkathman> so its best to do an apt-get autoclean possibly after a remove?
[01:50] <LjL> kkathman: you should do an "aptitude install" and then an "aptitude remove", if you want everything that was installed to be removed
[01:51] <thoreauputic> kkathman: to remove the config files you add --purge
[01:51] <LjL> kkathman:  *that*'s precisely the big advantage of aptitude over apt-get
[01:51] <kkathman> ahh I see
[01:51] <kkathman> hmm
[01:51] <kkathman> and all this time Ive used apt
[01:51] <kkathman> hehe
[01:52] <thoreauputic> kkathman: apt-get autoclean has nothing to do with dependencies really - it just clears out the debs you don't need
[01:52] <thoreauputic> ie the outdated ones in the cache
[01:52] <LjL> apt-get clean (or autoclean) is basically just for "hell, my disk is full, help!"
[01:52] <thoreauputic> right
[01:52] <LjL> it's a bit like clearing your browser's cache 'cause you're out of space
[01:53] <kkathman> one other question...lately Ive had probs making .. ie. compiling...should I be downloading these into /usr/bin/local to make/make install  cuz I seem to have problems with permissions
[01:53] <thoreauputic> kkathman: heh - well might yu blame me; I have always used apt-get although I now know aptitude is a better way
[01:54] <thoreauputic> kkathman: no, you can ./configure && make in your $HOME as your user
[01:54] <LjL> everyone seems to be using apt-get
[01:54] <LjL> but aptitude just does the same thing, better
[01:54] <thoreauputic> you only need sudo/root for the make install (or checkinstall)
[01:54] <thoreauputic> LjL: habit
[01:54] <LjL> yeah i guess so
[01:54] <LjL> i'm still using apt-get on my server
[01:55] <LjL> it makes no sense to switch to aptitude now that it's been up for, like, four years
[01:55] <kkathman> thoreauputic: see thats what I thought, but Im getting errors as if it doesnt have the permissions
[01:55] <kkathman> weird
[01:55] <kkathman> ok
[01:55] <LjL> kkathman: sometimes you just stumble on bad makefiles...
[01:55] <kkathman> could be
[01:55] <kkathman> but I've had two this week
[01:55] <thoreauputic> kkathman: you should only get permission errors if you try to "make install" as a user
[01:56] <kkathman> ended with similar errs
[01:56] <kkathman> so I thought I was doing someting wrong
[01:56] <LjL> thoreauputic: i've met programs that try to install stuff at a simple "make", unfortunately
[01:56] <kkathman> I dont do that much compiling actually
[01:56] <thoreauputic> LjL: eww
[01:56] <LjL> thoreauputic: yeah, i know
[01:56] <kkathman> thoreauputic: I usually do sudo make install
[01:56] <thoreauputic> LjL: they shouldn't oughter do that!
[01:57] <LjL> there's many thing people shouldn't oughta do :)
[01:57] <thoreauputic>   /join #philosophy
[01:57] <thoreauputic> ;)
[01:57] <txakoli> how can i install amule?
[01:57] <LjL> heh
[01:57] <LjL> txakoli: aptitude install amule
[01:58] <kkathman> yep
[01:58] <kkathman> see I was gonna say apt-get
[01:58] <LjL> i know :P
[01:58] <kkathman> old habits die hard gentlemen
[01:59] <txakoli> thanks for your help
[01:59] <LjL> txakoli: that
[02:00] <txakoli> i new in linux
[02:00] <LjL> txakoli: that's basically the way to install any program
[02:00] <LjL> txakoli: to *find* programs, you should do "apt-cache search <words to search>"
[02:00] <LjL> when you find the program you needed, it's "aptitude install <program-name>"
[02:00] <LjL> amule's program name is just, well, "amule" :)
[02:01] <txakoli> but konsole tell me...are you root? and is imposible install any program. I don't kwon to do
[02:01] <LjL> try "apt-cache search donkey", and you'll find a lot of edonkey/emule related programs
[02:01] <thoreauputic> txakoli: use sudo
[02:02] <LjL> right, you must be root, which in Ubuntu means typing "sudo" before the command
[02:02] <LjL> in this case, "sudo aptitude install amule"
[02:02] <thoreauputic> txakoli: like  sudo aptitude install <nameofpackage>
[02:02] <txakoli> thanks very much. I am going to try now
[02:03] <smonkey> You know what I *hate* about gnu/linux?
[02:04] <smonkey> It always makes me forget to do my other work.
[02:04] <thoreauputic> smonkey: other work?  What's that ? <grin>
[02:05] <smonkey> thoreauputic: By the way, thanks for mentioning #philosophy. It reminded I have to re-reade Descartes' meditations.
[02:06] <LjL> what I hate about both Linux and Windows and MacOS, too, is that none of them aren't nearly like AmigaOS *sigh* :)
[02:06] <thoreauputic> smonkey: ah, I prefer earlier thinkers like Plato and Boethius personally ;)
[02:06] <txakoli> when I write sudo aptitude install the next line ask me password but I can't write anything. Is imposible write a letter
[02:07] <LjL> txakoli: it is not impossible, it just doesn't show... you wouldn't want a password to be shown on the screen
[02:07] <thoreauputic> txakoli: you don't see the password - it is blank by default
[02:07] <txakoli> the keyboard is blocked
[02:07] <smonkey> thoreauputic: You aren;t one of those people who *likes* Aristotle are you?
[02:07] <thoreauputic> txakoli: no it isn't
[02:07] <thoreauputic> smonkey: no, actually - but I like Plato
[02:07] <LjL> txakoli: it's not blocked. just type your password at the "Password:" prompt, and it will work, even if you see nothing while typing
[02:08] <thoreauputic> smonkey: well, parts of Plato ;)
[02:08] <txakoli> thanks I am going to try
[02:08] <smonkey> thoreauputic: I'm just reading Descartes in an attempt to be well rounded.
[02:09] <smonkey> thoreauputic: I tend to like people like Camus more.
[02:09] <thoreauputic> smonkey: hmmm - I don't think Descartes was particularly well-rounded myself
[02:09] <thoreauputic> Camus was an artist
[02:09] <smonkey> thoreauputic: Well no, but I wan't to be well rounded.
[02:09] <thoreauputic> as well as a philosopher of course
[02:11] <smonkey> Oh man thoreauputic. I can't believe I just caught that.
[02:11] <thoreauputic> smonkey: if you want to be permanently depressed read Jean-Paul Sartre ;-)
[02:11] <smonkey> thoreauputic: You've got my number.
[02:11] <txakoli> thanks you very much at all. Now is perfect. I thought that never could do it
[02:12] <thoreauputic> txakoli: *nix protects you by hiding your password :)
[02:12] <LjL> txakoli: installing packages in Ubuntu is very easy once you get the hang of it, compared to most other (non-Debian based) distributions, in my opinion
[02:13] <LjL> txakoli: also know that you may use a graphical package manager like Adept, Kynaptic, KPackage or Synaptic (that's a GNOME app, though)
[02:13] <txakoli> I sure but is the first time I install linux
[02:13] <_jorge> Hi
[02:13] <LjL> still, i would use aptitude for actually installing programs, while those graphical package managers can be very useful for browsing around the available pakcages
[02:13] <_jorge> can anyone give me some advice about K3b?
[02:14] <LjL> txakoli: that's why i said "once you get the hang of it" :)
[02:14] <_jorge> it's not working
[02:14] <_jorge> :(
[02:14] <txakoli> it's very diferent windows but I like very much
[02:15] <txakoli> I am tired windows
[02:15] <LjL> txakoli: well, both KDE and GNOME try very hard to look and work like Windows, but Linux just isn't like Windows no matter how hard they try ;-)
[02:15] <thoreauputic> txakoli: welcome to freedom :)
[02:16] <_jorge> well, the problem is like this:
[02:16] <_jorge> i tray to record an ISO file
[02:16] <smonkey> txakoli: Atick with it (Linux). You'll never want to go back.
[02:16] <_jorge> and K3b says it's burning but there are no movement at the progress bar
[02:16] <smonkey> _jorge: Do you get any error messages?
[02:17] <LjL> smonkey: hmm well, must say i've often been tempted to go back to windows, and actually *have* often gone back to windows
[02:17] <_jorge> yeah
[02:17] <LjL> it's a bit of a push and pull
[02:17] <_jorge> wait
[02:17] <smonkey> _jorge: what does the message say?
[02:18] <smonkey> I have a professor that handed out a paper where one of the requirements was that it be written in MS Word.
[02:18] <smonkey> I think I'm going to drop the class.
[02:18] <_jorge> orge@pclinux:~$ find: /dev/.static: Permiso denegado
[02:18] <_jorge> k3b: ERROR: (K3bDevice::Device) Unable to do inquiry.
[02:18] <_jorge> k3b: ERROR: (K3bDevice::Device) Unable to do inquiry.
[02:18] <_jorge> that's it
[02:19] <txakoli> well I must go to sleep. tomorrow I work. I hope to speak with you soon and excume for my english. See you
[02:19] <LjL> txakoli: bye
[02:19] <thoreauputic> smonkey: submit in Open Document Format and if he complains, tell him his software is broken if it can't read it ;)
[02:19] <smonkey> _jorge: I only speak english, but I'm guessing Permiso means permision,  In that case make sure you have read/write access to the drive.
[02:19] <smonkey> haha
[02:19] <LjL> permiso denegato = permission denied
[02:19] <_jorge> ok, how can i check that?
[02:20] <smonkey> thoreauputic: Maybe i'll write it on a C64 (IN ALL CAPS).
[02:20] <LjL> READY.
[02:21] <thoreauputic> smonkey: nah, write it with a quill pen in perfect copperplate and say "technology is overrated"
[02:21] <_jorge> how can i check my permission over teh CD R/W?
[02:21] <smonkey> _jorge: I don't know enough about debian/ubuntu to tell you what the .static directory is for.
[02:22] <smonkey> _jorge: but i'll try. Do you know what device file corresponds to your cd writer?
[02:22] <LjL> me neither, but a very quick and dirty workaround would be to run the program as root, i suppose
[02:22] <_jorge> i think so
[02:23] <thoreauputic> !run
[02:23] <LjL> :)
[02:23] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:23] <smonkey> thoreauputic: haha tech. is over rated. haha
[02:24] <smonkey> _jorge: It could just be that you dont have access to the .static directory that the error mentioned.
[02:24] <LjL> tech ain't overrated, just wait till the next black-out, when you'll say "oh well, i'll just watch some TV" and then remember TV doesn't work without electricity...
[02:24] <smonkey> _jorge: It looks like, on my system at least, that the directory /dev/.static is only accessible by root.
[02:24] <thoreauputic> LjL: I would light a  candle and read a book...
[02:25] <_jorge> ok
[02:25] <_jorge> i'll chechk that
[02:25] <_jorge> check
[02:25] <smonkey> _jorge: So you could run k3b as root, or change the permissions on the .static directory. But I don't know what sort of security issue that mght present.
[02:25] <LjL> thoreauputic: i would hope i have some full AA batteries, and read a book on my backlighted Psion :)
[02:25] <thoreauputic> LjL: or walk outside and look at the stars...
[02:26] <LjL> stars? you don't live in a city, do you? :P
[02:26] <_jorge> -dev-hdb        -media-cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[02:26] <thoreauputic> LjL: can still see stars here, fortunately - it is a city but not a huge one
[02:26] <_jorge> that's in my fstab file
[02:26] <_jorge> ok i'll try that
[02:27] <LjL> thoreauputic: about 2 million people here, but the sky is very rarely worth looking at... most of the time, you just see mars (when it's there) and one or two stars
[02:27] <_jorge> damn!"ERROR: Communication problem with k3b, it probably crashed."
[02:27] <_jorge> :(
[02:27] <thoreauputic> LjL: I know what you mean - I used to live in a city of 5 million
[02:28] <LjL> also, Milan is probably only second to London as far as fog is concerned :)
[02:29] <thoreauputic> ah, Milan - I remember the cathedral in Milan from my early boyhood
[02:29] <thoreauputic> don't ask me why
[02:29] <smonkey> _jorge: did you _just_ run it as root
[02:30] <LjL> nice eh? i mean, it's a simple, modest and elegant manufact ;-P
[02:30] <thoreauputic> (probably because the hotel was next to the cathedral ) *G*
[02:30] <_jorge> yep sudo k3b
[02:30] <_jorge> :(
[02:31] <LjL> thoreauputic: i can't fathom how much you payed for that hotel :o)
[02:31] <_jorge> now  i can't kill k3b!
[02:31] <thoreauputic> LjL: I didn't pay anything - I guess my parents must have though ;)
[02:31] <LjL> yeah, 'course :P
[02:31] <LjL> did you/they come specifically to visit milan?
[02:32] <LjL> (you'd be the first i know of ;)
[02:32] <thoreauputic> LjL: no, we were on our way to Geneva
[02:32] <smonkey> _jorge: try this: 1) open a terminal. 2) as yourself type xhost+. 3) type su. 4) enter your password. 5) type DISPLAY=:0.0 k3b.
[02:32] <smonkey> oh
[02:32] <LjL> thoreauputic: you had been in the south of italy?
[02:33] <smonkey> just use ps to figure out which process is k3b and kill it
[02:33] <thoreauputic> LjL: no, we came to Europe on a ship via Genoa :)
[02:33] <smonkey> _jorge: you may have to be root to kill it
[02:33] <LjL> thoreauputic: oic
[02:33] <thoreauputic> LjL: tis was a long time ago :)
[02:34] <LjL> thoreauputic: you're from the US? i guess US->Europe via ship is kinda long!
[02:34] <thoreauputic> LjL: Australia :)
[02:34] <thoreauputic> even further!
[02:34] <LjL> well, then i guess it's kinda even longer :)
[02:35] <thoreauputic> LjL: this was in the days when people used ships more than 'planes
[02:35] <thoreauputic> as i said, a longtime ago
[02:35] <LjL> thoreauputic: is your name Alan Turing or something? :-P
[02:35] <thoreauputic> LjL: hahah
[02:35] <smonkey> hahaha
[02:36] <thoreauputic> LjL: Pablo Picasso
[02:36] <smonkey> what IS that .static directory for?
[02:36] <thoreauputic> heh
[02:38] <LjL> well, next time i go to australia, i'll think of you spending days and days in a ship, when i get too bored of the 8-hour trip ;-P
[02:38] <fatejudger_> well that was weird
[02:38] <fatejudger_> Comcast just dropped me
[02:38] <_jorge> yep
[02:38] <_jorge> i'm trying to do that
[02:38] <_jorge> ps -h
[02:38] <LjL> ("next time i go to australia" probably being my next life, though... i haven't even been in most of italy, not to mention europe)
[02:39] <_jorge> so i do "sudo kill 8055" and nothing happens
[02:39] <_jorge> i think i'll have to reset the system :(
[02:39] <smonkey> I hven't hade much luck with sudo at all.
[02:39] <_jorge> damn K3b!
[02:39] <smonkey> Just do a regular su
[02:39] <LjL> i haven't been to rome, geez, would you live two dozens years in italy and never once go to rome?
[02:39] <smonkey> than kill it
[02:39] <LjL> i've been to venice, at least, tho
[02:40] <_jorge> 8071 pts/1    00:00:00     k3b <defunct>
[02:40] <_jorge> pfff
[02:40] <smonkey> LjL: I've been in the port-o-potty down the road.
[02:40] <_jorge> i don't get it
[02:41] <smonkey> _jorge: try lying to it . do a kill -SIGHUP to tell it you hung up. that usually works for me.
[02:42] <thoreauputic> LjL: it's common for people to not travel within their own country - many Australians have never visited the Centre of the continent or travelled to th eother side, whereas tourists often do
[02:43] <fatejudger_> I guess their DNS servers are down again
[02:43] <thoreauputic> LjL: but yes, i think you should go to Rome at least :)
[02:43] <_jorge> ok
[02:43] <fatejudger_> wow, that's cool, if you lag out you can still see all of the messages sent
[02:43] <_jorge> i'll try that
[02:43] <_jorge> thanx anyway
[02:43] <LjL> thoreauputic: true to a certain extent, but trust me, every time i tell an italian that i've never been to rome, they look at me *very* strangely :)
[02:43] <thoreauputic> LjL: hahah
[02:44] <fatejudger_> so does anyone know to set different speeds for a touchpad and usb mouse?
[02:44] <thoreauputic> LjL: sort of like a Frenchman who's never been to Paris?
[02:44] <fatejudger_> my usb mouse is just right, but my cursor just goes flying across the screen when I use my touchpad
[02:44] <LjL> guess so... i mean, paris is basically the only really big city in france, while italy is more made of many smaller cities... however, rome is still rome
[02:45] <thoreauputic> LjL: mind you I've never met a Frenchman who would admit not having been to Paris ;-)
[02:45] <LjL> thoreauputic: well, it's easy to "have been" somewhere if you just extend your definition of "having been" ;-)  for example, i've been in London
[02:46] <regeya> so if you live in some country/state/whatever, and you've never been to the big city of your local gov't, you're sort of like a leper?
[02:46] <LjL> only, that was in Heathrow, and for one hour or so
[02:46] <thoreauputic> LjL: right, and I've "been" in Aden and Port Said
[02:46] <LjL> regeya: rome ain't "the big city of my local govt", or at least, that's not the reason why people usually visit it!
[02:47] <regeya> LjL: :P
[02:47] <LjL> i've been in Neaples for two hours (waiting for a ship to Sicily) this summer
[02:47] <LjL> hope there are no Neapolitans here, but... it's not an experience i'd like to repeat ;)
[02:48] <LjL> i mean, there are road crossing as large as the biggest crossings i can think of in Milan... only, there are no traffic lights or white stripes
[02:48] <thoreauputic> regeya: it's really more about culture and history than government
[02:48] <regeya> this is REALLY offtopic.
[02:49] <regeya> I mean, I've been called on the carpet for talking about other distributions, I swear it was this channel.
[02:49] <thoreauputic> regeya: yes, fun isn't it ?
[02:49] <LjL> is it? :)
[02:49] <LjL> but, we were talking about a KDE-integrated geography program, of course :)
[02:49] <regeya> pah.
[02:49] <thoreauputic> heheh
[02:50] <regeya> :)
[02:50] <LjL> you know... that one program... [apt-cache search kde geography]
[02:50] <_chuck> hi, i have an issue with skype, when i want to call it apears: /dev/dsp-1: Device or resource busy
[02:50] <LjL> ach, no results, tough luck =(
[02:50] <_chuck> does somebody can helpme to fix it
[02:50] <_chuck> ?
[02:50] <regeya> it's just that all the kubuntu-related discussion sort of died while y'all were discussing cities...
[02:51] <fatejudger_> that's true
[02:51] <regeya> this being #kubuntu, I know it's weird that people might talk about that
[02:51] <thoreauputic> regeya: you're right of course
[02:51] <fatejudger_> I know that I've gone way off topic in this channel though
[02:51] <smonkey> _chuck: Sorry, I don't know a thing about skype.
[02:51] <chuck87> ok thnx
[02:52] <fatejudger_> doesn't anyone have a laptop here?
[02:52] <chuck87> yes, i have a laptop
[02:52] <smonkey> _chuck: In fact, I've never even heard of it.
[02:52] <thoreauputic> regeya: in general the rules are more relaxed here than in #ubuntu - but then it's a smaller less busy channel
[02:52] <smonkey> _fatejudger: Yep.
[02:52] <chuck87> oks
[02:52] <fatejudger_> does anyone have Kubuntu on their laptop?
[02:52] <regeya> thoreauputic: thanks for not finishing that statement though ;-)
[02:52] <fatejudger_> my touchpad is really fast, but my usb mouse is just the right spsed
[02:52] <LjL> http://kgeography.berlios.de/  <- here ;)
[02:52] <fatejudger_> *speed
[02:52] <chuck87> fatejudger: i hace one
[02:52] <chuck87> fatejudger: i have one
[02:52] <smonkey> Me laptop runs Slackware.
[02:52] <smonkey> *my
[02:53] <chuck87> fatejudger: im running kubuntu
[02:53] <fatejudger_> well does anyone know how to adjust the speed of just the touchpad?
[02:53] <chuck87> can i help u?
[02:53] <chuck87> ehh jeje noup! XD
[02:53] <fatejudger_> my touchpad is really fast
[02:53] <fatejudger_> but I want to leave the speed of my USB mouse alone
[02:53] <chuck87> fatejudger:let me look for it ok?
[02:54] <fatejudger_> chuck87: ok
[02:55] <regeya> I bet if I said 'lo siento' I could get apokryphos's attention
[02:55] <chuck87> fatejudger_: $sudo kcontrol
[02:55] <chuck87> then peripherals
[02:55] <chuck87> and the on mouse
[02:55] <fatejudger_> chuck87: I know how to adjust the mouse speed
[02:56] <fatejudger_> chuck87: but I'd rather not have to adjust the speed every time I change input devices
[02:56] <chuck87> :S
[02:56] <chuck87> fatejudger_: that's weird :S
[02:56] <fatejudger> it does seem weird that the speed changes that much
[02:56] <LjL> an informal sort-of bug report: "System Settings" ignores the fact that I've set up KDE to use double-clicking for opening icons
[02:57] <smonkey> fatejudger: You could list multiple pointers in your x config file
[02:57] <fatejudger> system settings is really messed up
[02:57] <LjL> well, i think it's quite new as a program
[02:58] <smonkey> fatejudger: By default the x config file probably uses /dev/mice as the pointer, which is a device for all mice.
[02:58] <fatejudger> smonkey: then why would the speed be so different?
[02:59] <smonkey> fatejudger: for the 'general' device? because each mouse reports movement differently.
[03:01] <smonkey> fatejudger: I would imagine, but I am not sure, that if specify the mice seperatey in the configuration file for X, then there is a way to specify a sensitivity for each device.
[03:02] <aeon17x> smonkey: Linux pretty much has most mice covered. :)
[03:02] <poimen> how can I mount a iso image??
[03:03] <smonkey> fatejudger: you might try setting the "SampleRate" option for the mouse driver in you X config.
[03:04] <smonkey> poimen: Look up the "LOOP DEVICE" section of the man page for mount.
[03:04] <poimen> ok
[03:06] <fatejudger> smonkey: SampleRate?
[03:08] <smonkey>        Option "SampleRate" "integer"
[03:08] <smonkey>               Sets the number of motion/button events the mouse sends per sec-
[03:08] <smonkey>               ond.  Setting this is only supported for  some  mice,  including
[03:08] <smonkey>               some  Logitech  mice  and  some  PS/2  mice  on  some platforms.
[03:08] <smonkey>               Default: whatever the mouse is already set to.
[03:08] <smonkey> fatejudger: thats from the mouse(4x) man page
[03:09] <smonkey> I don't know if it will work, but it's worth a try.
[03:09] <fatejudger> smonkey: how will that let me set the speed for multiple mice though?
[03:10] <smonkey> fatejudger: I thought you wanted to set it for a specific mouse.
[03:12] <smonkey> fatejudger: If you try setting that option (or maybe the resolution option) for /dev/input/mice it will be applied to all mice.
[03:55] <poimen> checking if Qt needs -ljpeg... no
[03:55] <poimen> checking for rpath... yes
[03:55] <poimen> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[03:55] <poimen> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[03:55] <poimen> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[03:55] <poimen> poimen@catv:~/kxdocker/kxdocker-0.39$
[03:55] <poimen> what should I do???
[03:55] <nalioth> poimen: why are you pasting in here?
[03:55] <nalioth> !paste
[03:55] <ubotu> it has been said that paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[03:55] <claydoh> what was your --prefix?
[03:56] <nalioth> poimen: you need to install kde-devel
[03:56] <nalioth> and maybe soem other kde*-dev
[04:00] <poimen> thankx
[04:11] <fatejudger> ??
[04:11] <Hobbsee> wow
[04:11] <fatejudger> what happened there?
[04:12] <fatejudger> it looks like a freenode server went down
[04:12] <Hobbsee> not a clue, happened in a lot of #ubuntu too...
[04:12] <Hobbsee> yeah, maybe
[04:12] <fatejudger> and the people on it got booted off
[04:12] <Hobbsee> hmmm...yeah
[04:12] <geppo> hi i am geppo!!!!!!!!!
[04:12] <nalioth> Hobbsee: howdy
[04:12] <Hobbsee> hey nalioth :)
[04:12] <fatejudger> hi I am fatejudger!!!!!111one
[04:12] <Hobbsee> i'm finished the rotten exams!
[04:12] <geppo> the newbie og kubuntu!
[04:12] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: this is odd...i'm connected via brown.freenode.net and i didnt get booted...
[04:13] <fatejudger> hmm
[04:13] <geppo> w Inter
[04:14] <geppo> the italian football is the best!
[04:14] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[04:14] <geppo> hmmm????
[04:14] <Hobbsee> this is showing a 42 second lag...or was
[04:14] <Hobbsee> lol
[04:14] <Hobbsee> ah, back to 1 second lag
[04:14] <fatejudger> lol
[04:14] <fatejudger> irc has terrible lag
[04:15] <Hobbsee> not usually
[04:15] <Hobbsee> well, here, anywya
[04:15] <Hobbsee> oh good, 363 ms - back to normal :)
[04:15] <fatejudger> I get 127ms
[04:15] <fatejudger> and I'm on a wireless network
[04:16] <Hobbsee> nice
[04:16] <geppo> Somebody speach italian?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> this is broadband cable, but it's australian, so it's not as fast as everywhere else
[04:16] <geppo> Parlez vous francais?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> !fr
[04:16] <ubotu> Va a #ubuntu-fr et #kubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[04:17] <geppo> thank you bye bye
[04:17] <Hobbsee> lol...and it occurs again
[04:17] <fatejudger> lol
[04:19] <Knowerrors> hehe, we still here!
[04:19] <Hobbsee> good!
[04:19] <Knowerrors> they need to get a decent server, losers
[04:19] <nalioth> Hobbsee: glad you're done with school
[04:19] <Hobbsee> yeah, me too
[04:20] <Knowerrors> Hey anyone know what would cause this?  (wait for my paste)
[04:20] <Knowerrors> flow@ubuntu:~$ sudo kcontrol
[04:20] <Knowerrors> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-flow" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[04:20] <Knowerrors> Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
[04:20] <Knowerrors> ERROR: Communication problem with kcontrol, it probably crashed.
[04:20] <Knowerrors> flow@ubuntu:~$ Error: "/tmp/ksocket-flow" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[04:20] <Knowerrors> Link points to "/tmp/ksocket-root"
[04:20] <Knowerrors> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-flow" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[04:20] <Knowerrors> Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
[04:20] <Knowerrors> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-flow" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[04:21] <Knowerrors> Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
[04:21] <Knowerrors> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-flow" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[04:21] <Knowerrors> Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
[04:21] <Knowerrors> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-flow" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[04:21] <Knowerrors> Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
[04:21] <Knowerrors> QFile::getch: File not open
[04:21] <Knowerrors> kcontrol: WARNING: KLocale: trying to look up "" in catalog. Fix the program
[04:21] <fatejudger> !nopastebin.com
[04:21] <ubotu> Not a clue, fatejudger
[04:21] <fatejudger> oh wait, that's in the C++ channel
[04:22] <nalioth> Knowerrors: what part of "please dont paste in here" is not clear?
[04:22] <fatejudger> nalioth: what is that other website that is the pastebin alternative?
[04:22] <Knowerrors> my bad, sorry for the flood
[04:23] <nalioth> Knowerrors: the /topic greets you every time you enter a channel
[04:25] <Knowerrors> yeah, I know no excuse, I forget to read that
[04:25] <Knowerrors> won't do it again, Im a heathen sometimes
[04:25] <Phily> Found a bug with kcontrol when enabling nvidia Option          "RenderAccel" "true" in xorg.conf  kcontrol freezez the whole system keyboard interation is dead but I can still login using ssh
[04:25] <nalioth> fatejudger: there are many
[04:25] <nalioth> !paste
[04:25] <nalioth> paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:25] <ubotu> paste is, like, please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[04:29] <Knowerrors> Ok, so proper etiqute followed, please anybody look at this http://pastebin.com/416830 and offer any insights as to fix this...
[04:29] <Knowerrors> its the only way I can access certain parts of KDE Settings, that won't come up through the regular (Kubuntu Settings) interface
[04:41] <DaSkreech> Can you uninstall a package and all the packages that depend on it
[04:41] <Hobbsee> *raises eyebrows* - i got disconnected?
[04:41] <Hobbsee> must have
[04:41] <jsubl2> router maintenance
[04:41] <Hobbsee> ah fun
[04:41] <at1as>
[04:42] <nalioth> DaSkreech: use aptitude
[04:44] <DaSkreech> nalioth: It doesn't work with meta packages it seems
[04:44] <DaSkreech> nalioth: only that package gets removed
[04:44] <DaSkreech> It seems
[04:46] <nalioth> DaSkreech: then i'm lost (seems to be happening a lot this evening)
[04:49] <DaSkreech> nalioth: It's ok I got Edubuntu installed
[04:49] <DaSkreech> I'll just manually uninstall the ubuntu stuff
[04:52] <fatejudger> edubuntu?
[04:52] <fatejudger> who would want that?
[04:59] <EvanCarroll> My systems performance slowely degrades, and nothing is listing with top that is taking near my 2gb of ram, how would i go about finding what is causing this gradual slow down
[05:00] <EvanCarroll> changing windows and responsivness to clicking seems to be pretty drastic
[05:00] <nalioth> Riddell: while you're here, what's the build order of 3.4.3? got a linky?
[05:01] <Riddell> nalioth: arts kdelibs kdebase.....kdesdk kdewebdev kdevelop3 kdeaddons
[05:03] <Riddell> nybbled: how do these quebequois know before speaking to me if I'm anglophone or francophone?
[05:03] <Riddell> oh, he left
[05:03] <kkathman> evening all :)
[05:26] <at1as>
[05:32] <at1as> Change in complaints, and new question:
[05:33] <at1as> Breezy crashes hard when I lose wifi connection when Cisco's VPN client is active.
[05:34] <at1as> Turns out, it's only with the Atheros chipset (ironically, Cisco's A/B/G cards)
[05:34] <at1as> My Orinoco card doesn't do it.
[05:36] <at1as> Ok, new question/complaint...  Isn't KDE supposed to have an "offline" setting?  I am using dimap for email and when I go away from network connectivity I still get constant irritating messages about "can't find server"
[05:36] <at1as> Anyone else have this issue?  Am I just doing something wrong?
[05:44] <propagandhi> at1as: perhaps you have it set to periodically check for mail?
[06:00] <nickl> anyone seen a problem using adept
[06:00] <nickl> after i run it, ask for pw, type that in and then it prompts me that it is read only and i have to run as root
[06:02] <insanekane> nickl: do something ... open Konsole, and run 'kdesu adept'
[06:03] <nickl> ok did, prompted for pw
[06:04] <nickl> then same thing
[06:04] <nickl> though the konsole  said kapture::PkgSystem::PkgSystem()
[06:05] <nickl> then spewed a huge list upon clicking on the box of "OK" that said i would only be read only, need to login as root
[06:09] <laszlok> nickl: open konsole and run 'sudo adept'
[06:10] <kkathman> nickl: are you in KDE or the konsole?
[06:10] <nickl> ya no luck,
[06:10] <nickl> yes i am
[06:10] <kkathman> which?
[06:11] <nickl> i think there is a lock file or something, i'm in kde
[06:11] <kkathman> you tried to run it from the K menu?
[06:11] <insanekane> lock file ?
[06:11] <nickl> ya it does the same thing as from konsole
[06:12] <nickl> it was working fine, but something flaked out on it..
[06:12] <nalioth> nickl: close all your apt-get , adept, kynaptic or other dpkg using processes
[06:12] <kkathman> oh.. ok...I'll butt out
[06:12] <nickl> lock file, is what i'm calling it, maybe something is holding it from the last action it was doing and doesn't like me or something, i don't know
[06:12] <nickl> i'll try that nalioth, though i just rebooted
[06:13] <laszlok> nickl: ctrl+escape to get the process manager, then kill all the dpkg
[06:13] <nalioth> nickl: you may have gotten lucky and hit it when it was self updating
[06:13] <kkathman> lets have just ONE person helping ok??? Otherwise they get confused trying to do what 2-3 people say
[06:13] <nickl> nah i can follow it all
[06:13] <nickl> but if you think that's better kkathman  ok
[06:14] <kkathman> its kind of a guideline, so I've been told :)
[06:14] <nickl> ok, sounds good
[06:15] <nickl> well nothing running anymore nalioth, all apt-get, etc..
[06:15] <nickl> but i feel something is still, since this msg keeps prompting
[06:16] <nickl> is there a service i can restart? maybe that is the problem
[06:17] <nalioth> nickl: read what laszlok said
[06:17] <insanekane> nickl: you need to remove the lock file ... do ls /var/cache/apt/lock
[06:18] <insanekane> nickl: ?
[06:18] <nickl> no lock file there
[06:18] <nickl> and no dpkq in the process table
[06:19] <nickl> insanekane: ls: /var/cache/apt/lock: No such file or directory
[06:20] <insanekane> nickl: ok ... try ls /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[06:20] <insanekane> nickl: ok ... try ls /var/cache/apt/archive/lock
[06:20] <insanekane> err. .. archives
[06:20] <nickl> ya
[06:20] <nickl> insanekane: /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[06:20] <insanekane> ok ..
[06:20] <nickl> rm that you think?
[06:20] <insanekane> sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[06:21] <nickl> done
[06:21] <insanekane> nickl: yes
[06:21] <insanekane> nickl: kdesu adept
[06:21] <nickl> i trying kmenu
[06:21] <nickl> i'm
[06:23] <insanekane> k
[06:23] <nickl> nope same dang
[06:23] <nickl> The APT Database will be opened in read-only mode, this means you cannot install/uninstall/upgrade anything. You have to run this program as root to be able to do that.
[06:24] <insanekane> nickl: please, try kdesu adept
[06:24] <nickl> i'm doing a updatedb and then going to look for lock files
[06:24] <nickl> insanekane: yes i did do that
[06:25] <insanekane> hmm
[06:25] <nickl> ya i've been banging my head for a bit and searching the forum archives
[06:26] <insanekane> nickl: the error message you get ... it happens to me too, but only when I run it without a kdesu
[06:26] <insanekane> ie without root rights
[06:26] <nickl> insanekane: think this is it
[06:27] <nickl> insanekane: /var/cache/apt/archives/liblockfile1_1.06_i386.deb
[06:28] <insanekane> nickl: ?
[06:28] <nickl> yes
[06:28] <nickl> insanekane: i run it from konsole and get that error
[06:28] <nickl> the read error
[06:28] <nickl> and run as root
[06:29] <nickl> kmenu and konsole both have the same error
[06:29] <insanekane> hmm
[06:31] <nickl> ya i'm just playing around.. maybe i'll stumble upon it
[06:35] <insanekane> nickl: did you by any chance play around with the permissions of the dpkg database ?
[06:36] <nickl> insanekane: if i did, i didn't know i did it
[06:36] <nickl> i highly doubt it
[06:37] <nickl> i just added another repository
[06:38] <nickl> isn't there a way to rebuild the database? i'm not familiar with this distro to much yet
[06:38] <kkathman> time to do some examinations of directories? and maybe the ownerships?
[06:39] <nickl> :q
[06:39] <nickl> oops wrond window,,, was in vi looking at something
[06:39] <nickl> wrong
[06:39] <kkathman> are you operating as a regular or superuser?
[06:39] <nickl> just reqular login
[06:39] <nickl> regular
[06:40] <kkathman> you have a $ as a prompt?
[06:40] <nickl> yes
[06:40] <nickl> well my nick
[06:40] <nickl> and then box name then ~$
[06:40] <kkathman> ok
[06:40] <kkathman> and if you do a cd at the console, then do a pwd...what does it say?
[06:41] <nickl> ./home
[06:41] <kkathman> hmm
[06:41] <kkathman> thats not good
[06:41] <nickl> really
[06:41] <kkathman> should be /home/<username>
[06:42] <nickl> well yes sorry that's what i meant
[06:42] <nickl> i thought you meant cd .. sorry
[06:42] <kkathman> oh ok
[06:42] <kkathman> thought we had some major malfunction there
[06:43] <nickl> ya that would be
[06:43] <kkathman> can you do a cd /etc/apt    then  do a ls -l and look to see whether it has root root in the middle?
[06:43] <nickl> sure
[06:43] <nickl> doing now
[06:44] <nickl> root root
[06:44] <kkathman> ok
[06:44] <kkathman> thats good
[06:45] <kkathman> weird behavior
[06:45] <nickl> ya i know this is throwing me for a loop
[06:46] <nickl> it was working just before i ran the adept updater..
[06:46] <nickl> and maybe twice after that,
[06:46] <kkathman> you did have correct repos for breezy right?
[06:46] <nickl> then i went to get nvidia drivers and it did this to me
[06:46] <nickl> ya, i only added multiverse
[06:47] <nickl> something similar to that if not that
[06:47] <kkathman> hmm wonder if aptitude is effected?
[06:47] <nickl> i can look
[06:47] <kkathman> yah you should look at that
[06:47] <kkathman> just look using a console editor, vi or nano.... /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:48] <nickl> doing that now
[06:48] <kkathman> all the repos should say "breezy" in them
[06:48] <Delvien> Anyone know how to change the size of the fonts for the clock on the task bar
[06:49] <kkathman> Delvien: Im not sure you can
[06:50] <Delvien> kkathman i updated my video driver and it increased all the font sizes, now i cant get it smaller..
[06:50] <Delvien> kkathman but its the clock only that needs to be fixed
[06:50] <kkathman> Delvien: I dont know of a font setting...try swtiching modes.. and see if that fixes it
[06:50] <kkathman> like switch to analog...then back
[06:51] <kkathman> or plain and back
[06:51] <nickl> kkathman: all say breezy
[06:51] <kkathman> well ok
[06:51] <Delvien> nope
[06:52] <kkathman> nickl: Im all for the blocking and tackling approach
[06:52] <kkathman> something is fundamentally messed up
[06:52] <nickl> ya it's odd
[06:52] <kkathman> I have run the ADept Updater every day since the upgrade
[06:52] <kkathman> and no probs
[06:52] <kkathman> so...
[06:52] <Delvien> it doesnt bother me that much , but hey
[06:53] <nickl> ya maybe since i added deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[06:53] <Delvien> kkathman no i installed a new driver for my video card from ATI site, not from repos
[06:53] <kkathman> yah its a nuisance Delvien I know
[06:53] <kkathman> nickl: thats a problem...cuz they arent really active
[06:53] <nickl> humm oops.. not good
[06:54] <kkathman> yah
[06:54] <kkathman> I'd remove those
[06:54] <kkathman> and I'd say do a sudo apt-get update but you probably cant
[06:54] <nickl> guess i have choice #1 reinstall, or #2 goto bed and do it tomorrow
[06:54] <kkathman> lol
[06:55] <nickl> unless there is a downgrade option
[06:55] <kkathman> yah  people with much more experience, esp insanekane, have been with you...if they cant figure it out...thats tough
[06:55] <nickl> i added that repository to add msttfonts
[06:55] <kkathman> only other one I know would be either Riddell, crimsun or a couple of others
[06:55] <kkathman> I think those are elsewhere now
[06:56] <kkathman> !msttfonts
[06:56] <ubotu> kkathman: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[06:56] <nickl> ya i might bug my friend who turned me on to this, and ask him if he can fix my broken stuff heh
[06:56] <kkathman> hmm
[06:56] <kkathman> wait
[06:56] <nalioth> nickl: msttcorefonts is in the multiverse, iirc
[06:56] <nalioth> !info msttcorefonts
[06:56] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section multiverse/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 164 kB
[06:56] <nalioth> thank you, ubotu
[06:56] <kkathman> yah thats it
[06:56] <kkathman> !msttcorefonts
[06:56] <ubotu> methinks msttcorefonts is methinks msttcorefonts is sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts - you'll need multiverse enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list first
[06:56] <kkathman> its in multiverse
[06:57] <nickl> ya i did that and i think that messed up everything else
[06:57] <nickl> since i then ran system update
[06:57] <kkathman> yah Im not sure what those backports did for you
[06:57] <nickl> i just might start over
[06:57] <nickl> more practice i guess
[06:57] <kkathman> yah prolly not a bad idea
[06:57] <kkathman> its painless
[06:58] <nickl> any thoughts about how to install xinerama?
[06:58] <nickl> i just copied my old xorg.conf
[06:58] <nickl> but things are different and i thought maybe there is a gui now for that stuff
[06:58] <kkathman> nalioth probably knows
[06:58] <nickl> maybe i'm wrong
[06:58] <kkathman> not familiar with it
[06:59] <nickl> well hey thank you much for your help
[06:59] <kkathman> theres a lib for libxinerrama
[06:59] <nickl> ya i installed that
[06:59] <kkathman> libxinerama-dev - X11 Xinerama extension library (development headers)
[06:59] <kkathman> libxinerama1 - X11 Xinerama extension library
[06:59] <kkathman> libxinerama1-dbg - X11 Xinerama extension library (debug package)
[06:59] <nickl> nalioth: knows best way to install xinerama?
[07:00] <nickl> and edit xorg.conf other then using my old file from fc2
[07:00] <nalioth> nickl: thought we were having apt problems
[07:01] <nickl> yes i am
[07:01] <nickl> but i'm thinking of just doing a whole new install
[07:01] <nickl> and i was wondering if there was a better way to install xinerama, maybe a gui to setup the xorg.conf or something
[07:02] <kkathman> im not sure you'll need it...KDE has lots of tools for tweaking the gui
[07:02] <kkathman> and the install is good on setting up a good base
[07:16] <basic`> so i just install 5.10 kubuntu, and everything is working great
[07:16] <basic`> except for my sound, im using a laptop with a 2.8ghz p4 and the onboard ich5 sound
[07:17] <basic`> and there is a loud beeping noise coming from the left channel of my headphones when i plug them in
[07:17] <basic`> other programs sound works, but i cannot get the beeping to stop for the life of me, i dont know what program would make the beep noise
[07:19] <crimsun> you might try muting Surround/Left/External Amplifier
[07:19] <basic`> ok
[07:19] <basic`> lemme see
[07:22] <basic`> it only stops when i mute pcm
[07:25] <joss> hi
[07:25] <joss> well that kawabunga, hes anyone tried yet
[07:25] <joss> what is that quick search there.
[07:25] <crimsun> basic`: how high are those levels?
[07:25] <joss> only for control panel modules?
[07:26] <joss> aah crimsun hello, you are running 5.10?
[07:26] <joss> Kawabunga! The traditional KDE Control Center has been replaced with KDE System Settings. This change is not part of KDE, but is unique to Kubuntu. The new interface is cleaner, faster, simpler and comes with improved usability features such as quick search.
[07:27] <crimsun> joss: I don't use KDE currently, so I won't be very effective answering KDE-specific questions
[07:27] <_basic> i have everything muted except: master & pcm
[07:27] <joss> crimsun: aah ok thought that kubuntu was that kde distro
[07:27] <_basic> its still doing it
[07:28] <crimsun> _basic: anything in dmesg? Paste onto kubuntu.pastebin.com
[07:28] <_basic> lemme see
[07:28] <joss> well anyone using 5.10 kubuntu here?
[07:28] <_basic> me <
[07:29] <joss> _basic: ok whats the difference of control panel there?
[07:29] <joss> what is that quick search?
[07:29] <joss> this is the only interest
[07:29] <joss> not katapult, but is there a new desktop search engine, perhaps something rlocate frontend?
[07:31] <joss> _basic: well i did not see what you answered
[07:31] <joss> can you please check so i dont have to install it myself?
[07:32] <joss> _basic: well i did not see what you answered
[07:32] <crimsun> his client pinged out
[07:32] <basic_> wtf, my internet is terrible
[07:32] <crimsun> just give him a sec, heh
[07:32] <basic_> i didnt get anything you said
[07:33] <basic_> all i got from dmesg about sound was this:
[07:33] <basic_> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/416925
[07:33] <joss> _basic: well do this goto control panel and search around
[07:33] <joss> there is sometyhing different then for normal kde's control panel
[07:33] <joss> i would like to know, if there is a new search engine for local files named quick search!
[07:34] <joss> as they are stating in release notes
[07:34] <basic_> there's a search bar at the top
[07:35] <joss> _basic: did you get the ide kawabunga they call that control centre module
[07:35] <joss> _basic: at the top of what?
[07:35] <basic_> ? no idea
[07:35] <basic_> control panel
[07:35] <joss> ok what it searches?
[07:35] <basic_> it searchs the control panel
[07:35] <joss> control centre modules or local files?
[07:36] <joss> ok then it is only control centre related search
[07:36] <basic_> i believe
[07:36] <joss> thanks
[07:36] <basic_> kde has a built in locate
[07:36] <basic_> into konqueror
[07:36] <basic_> locate:whatever*dsf in the address bar
[07:37] <joss> basic_: yeah but it isnt that so called quick search
[07:37] <basic_> hmm yeah i dunno
[07:37] <joss> basic_: wich does like this, one letter , and it matches all stuff beginning with a
[07:37] <joss> then ab filters those that wont suite anymore out
[07:38] <basic_> ah, well adept can do that
[07:38] <joss> abc again out those that wont suite anymore
[07:38] <basic_> i dont know, i just started using kubuntu, i didnt want gentoo on my laptop
[07:38] <joss> hmm adept. what is that?
[07:39] <joss> will google a bit
[07:39] <basic_> adept is the synaptic for kubuntu
[07:39] <joss> it seems to be a package manager for kubuntu
[07:39] <basic_> yeah
[07:39] <basic_> its nice
[07:40] <joss> so it isnt really files search engine frontend
[07:40] <joss> but it does that quick search among packages
[07:40] <joss> heh
[07:40] <joss> again out
[07:40] <basic_> yeah
[07:40] <basic_> i cant really help you with that, i do need some sound help though :p
[07:41] <joss> crimsun: should be the pro here
[07:41] <joss> whats wrong ?
[07:41] <basic_> i keep getting a beeping sound in my left earphone
[07:41] <basic_> everything is muted except for pcm & master
[07:41] <joss> konsole > alsamixer
[07:41] <joss> uumute them with space
[07:42] <joss> or m
[07:42] <mornfall> that's not the prob
[07:42] <mornfall> basic_: try checking the switches to the end
[07:42] <crimsun> make sure you've muted the iec* ones if you're not using digital otu
[07:42] <crimsun> s/otu/out/
[07:43] <crimsun> (phone, so I'm lagged)
[07:43] <basic_> yea i muted em
[07:48] <basic_> i guess i could just plug the headphone in halfway
[07:48] <basic_> lol
[07:48] <basic_> i have a feeling it is trying to do optical sound, but i have it muted
[07:51] <basic_> well, if i move balance to my left ear, i dont get beeping
[07:51] <basic_> i guess i could just do this
[07:53] <basic_> i mean right ear..
[08:03] <LeeJunFan> wow, it only took 8 months to fix the admin mode?!?
[08:21] <dwangoac> Greetings - anyone active? (Better question - anyone mind helping me with a strange Kubuntu GUI settings issue?)
[08:22] <aftertaf> active yeah :)
[08:22] <aftertaf> strange gui? i dunno :)
[08:22] <nalioth> does it have a tattoo?
[08:22] <dwangoac> Heh
[08:22] <aftertaf> lol
[08:22] <dwangoac> A tattoo would be interesting :)
[08:22] <aftertaf> howdy partner ;)
[08:23] <dwangoac> Actually, I'm running Kubuntu 5.10 and I can't get into the administrator mode of most of the KDE settings, like Samba.
[08:24] <dwangoac> So, if I go to Settings --> Network --> Samba --> Administrator mode, it prompts for my password but then returns me to a greyed-out interface.
[08:24] <aftertaf> dwangoac:  its a bug.... try a different tool that also needs sudo access, then try th admin tools again... it should work after that
[08:24] <dwangoac> I'm checking out the FAQ now.
[08:25] <nalioth> dwangoac: known bug
[08:26] <kairu0> dwangoac, better yet, do it from the command line because kubuntu 5.10 gui networking tools are generally broken
[08:26] <dwangoac> eww - that's not a good thing :)
[08:26] <dwangoac> Badly broken enough that I should stick with Hoary 5.04?
[08:27] <aftertaf> dwangoac:  hehe true, but you get to learn consloe commands that way.... its intended (maybe ;))
[08:27] <kairu0> dwangoac, if you want visual networking tools for X, then 5.10 isnt ready yet
[08:27] <dwangoac> OK, so in that case, what file should I be looking at to enable Samba?  I can't remember the config path.
[08:27] <kairu0> that rhymed unintentionally
[08:28] <dwangoac> heh - you're right, it did.  :)
[08:28] <nalioth> dwangoac: not at all
[08:29] <dwangoac> BTW, thanks to everyone who just started helping me out - I've had a heck of a time googling some of this stuff, as most of the results I've come up with have been irrelevant.
[08:29] <kairu0> to enable samba, its a /etc/init.d thing
[08:30] <kairu0> to CONFIGURE samba, its ummm err i forget
[08:30] <kairu0> *takes a bow*
[08:30] <dwangoac> kairu0: enabling it is one thing - how do I configure it so I can access it from a Windows box without a password (i.e. shared level access to a specific folder with media content in it)?
[08:31] <dwangoac> (Or,  more directly, where does the Samba config file live?)
[08:31] <kairu0> i want to say /etc/smb.conf but hang on
[08:32] <kairu0> i think im right
[08:32] <dwangoac> aftertaf: I just found that the command kdesu kcontrol should get around the issue of not being able to enter administartor mode.  I'm trying that now.
[08:33] <aftertaf> hehe ok.
[08:34] <dwangoac> Although it looks like that command *has* to be run with sudo, as it just does nothing otherwise.  Sucky.
[08:34] <dwangoac> OK, I think I should step back a bit: I went to Kubuntu 5.10 to get OOo 2.0, but I'm getting the impression that it's not very stable.  How many people here tried it and stuck with it as opposed to bailing back to something else?
[08:35] <aftertaf> dwangoac:  most things arefine, seriously...
[08:35] <kairu0> dwangoac, thats one of my 2 problems with it. i'd never go back
[08:35] <aftertaf> a couple of bugs like that, but they are known about and will be repaired soonish. And there are ways around them.. like you found out.
[08:35] <kairu0> dwangoac, and dont sudo a kde config app.
[08:35] <dwangoac> That's a good thing.
[08:35] <dwangoac> kairu0: OK, I won't :)
[08:35] <dwangoac> (It won't launch if I don't, though)
[08:36] <kairu0> i know
[08:36] <aftertaf> dwangoac:  use theforce, ie console ;)
[08:36] <dwangoac> O
[08:36] <kairu0> sudo kcontrol for example will probably break you
[08:36] <dwangoac> er, I'm definitely not afraid of the console, just less than familiar with the major disparities between different config files.
[08:36] <aftertaf> dwangoac:  what did you want to change in network config?
[08:36] <aftertaf> dwangoac:  so am/was i. but i am learning.
[08:37] <dwangoac> Well, I should start from the top:  I have two problems, namely SMB shares aren't working at all, and for some reason attempting to open bit torrent files in Firefox fails to do anything at all.
[08:37] <dwangoac> I'm using Firefox 1.07 and Azureus, which was a combination that was working fine under Hoary.
[08:39] <dwangoac> kairu0: I've been unable to find the SMB configuration file - it's not in /etc, but I'm still looking for it...
[08:42] <nalioth> dwangoac: in a terminal, "locate smb.conf"
[08:43] <dwangoac> nalioth: OK, that was quick - /etc/samba/mb.conf
[08:44] <kairu0> dwangoac, what about /etc/smb or /etc/samba
[08:45] <dwangoac> kairu0: it was definitely /etc/samba/smb.conf, it's just my ls -R search wasn't listing it (I probably did it wrong).  I've had poor luck with locate in the past as it's never actually worked, so I'm glad it brought up the right file.
[08:47] <nalioth> dwangoac: this is the specially grown and trained kubuntu 'locate'
[08:47] <dwangoac> OK, so I manually edited smb.conf for share level access (to allow my less intelligent Windows box to see my share).  I don't see anything SMB / Samba related in etc/init.d - where woudl I restart it at?
[08:48] <dwangoac> nalioth: That's pretty cool - that'd explain why it worked this time.  :)
[08:48] <kairu0> dwangoac, you can also use find / -name xyz too
[08:49] <kairu0> dwangoac, it really should be in /etc/init.d maybe smbxxxxx
[08:50] <dwangoac> nothing here - there are quite a few items in here like fetchmail and the like, but nothing SMB related.
[08:50] <kairu0> ok
[08:50] <kairu0> maybe you have samba client but not samba server installed
[08:51] <dwangoac> That would be strange...  Doesn't the shipping config of Kubuntu come with the Samba server?
[08:51] <kairu0> i dont know. does anyone know?
[08:51] <kairu0> i mean, i dont have it installed and i didnt by default
[08:52] <rikva> dwangoac: install samba-server
[08:52] <dwangoac> That would make sense - give me just a bit to apt-get it...
[08:52] <rikva> dwangoac: it ships with samba-common
[08:52] <aftertaf> i dont think samba server is installed by default, no net services that open ports are
[08:52] <rikva> you need to install samba-server to get server functionalities
[08:52] <dwangoac> rikva: is that a change from how Hoary was set up?
[08:52] <dwangoac> I don't recall needing to do that with Hoary
[08:52] <rikva> I don't know, I recently helped a classmate with this
[08:53] <dwangoac> I defnitely appreciate the pointer (and quite the obvious solution, too - I should have thought of that myself)
[08:53] <rikva> np :)
[08:54] <dwangoac> OK, while I'm waiting for Adept updater to finish, what's the easiest way on Kubuntu 5.10 to install the final release of OOo 2.0?  I see that what ships by default is the beta and I'm not sure of the easiest way to upgrade.
[08:56] <rikva> I think the final release isn't in the repositories yet
[08:56] <rikva> correct me if i'm wrong
[08:56] <dwangoac> rikva: That's too bad.  How stable is the version that's included?
[08:56] <rikva> dwangoac: if you ask me: very unstable
[08:57] <rikva> it crashes all the time, I hope this gets fixed
[08:57] <nalioth> oOo2 will appear in backports i'm sure
[08:57] <rikva> especially with big powerpoint presentations, it crashes
[08:57] <EvanCarroll> I'm having a problem ever since i upgraded to breezy mouse input has been particualarly shitty with Xorg
[08:57] <dwangoac> rikva: That's not encouraging.  You're using the beta or the 2.0 release?
[08:57] <rikva> dwangoac: the beta
[08:58] <EvanCarroll> If i click on a window it takes time for the other window to come to the front, yet if i alt+tab it is instant
[08:58] <dwangoac> rikva: I'm using apt-cache, but I don't see samba-server or anything like that - just samba-common and kdenetwork-filesharing
[08:58] <rikva> 1.9.129
[08:58] <EvanCarroll> the responsivness when i try to resize a winow is lacking, and someimtes i loose grasp
[08:58] <ilba7r> hi I need some help in choosing a notebook to run on ubuntu. I am concerned of speed and have two notebooks nearly same price. One 2Ghz centrino 512 DDR2 RAM. The other is 1.7 GHZ 1 GB RAM. Any ideas which is better for speed ram or cpu speed?
[08:58] <rikva> dwangoac: hm, i think you need to enable universe/multiverse
[08:59] <kairu0> the 1gb ram notebook would win that race
[08:59] <dwangoac> rikva: I found another package just named "samba" - not sure if that was it...
[08:59] <rikva> dwangoac: mom
[09:00] <dwangoac> rikva: Eh? mom?
[09:00] <kairu0> ilba7r, the different between 1.7 and 2.0 ghz isnt great. the difference between 512 and 1024 ram is huge.
[09:00] <rikva> dwangoac: mom = moment ;)
[09:00] <dwangoac> rikva: Now that's one I haven't seen in years.  Thanks for the reminder.  :)
[09:00] <rikva> dwangoac: i  think... you need package samba. not samba-common, samba.
[09:00] <rikva> or better, both ;)
[09:01] <rikva> that should be it
[09:01] <dwangoac> rikva: Yep, that's the conclusion I just came to - I installed it and it launched, but it complained about a bunch of things under account_policY_get like min password length returning 0
[09:01] <ilba7r> kairu and how will the hard disk speed fit in for example 7200 or 5400
[09:01] <rikva> damn.
[09:01] <rikva> dwangoac: I'm afraid I can't help you with that
[09:02] <nalioth> it's not about hardware specs, it's about 'linux friendliness'
[09:02] <dwangoac> rikva: I think it's alright - after I did all updates I was able to get in to kcontrol / admin mode, and it looks like the shares are there.  I'm headed to my windows box to see if  ican access it.
[09:02] <rikva> dwangoac: ok, good luck. I'm heading to school.
[09:03] <dwangoac> rikva: Eh, it was worth a shot, but it didn't work, it can't see the system.  Oh well...
[09:04] <ilba7r> thanx kairu0 for your feedback take care
[09:06] <dwangoac> rikva: Strike that - I had to go to "file sharing" (as opposed to Samba) and select "Advanced" - after that, it showed up correctly.
[09:06] <kairu0> ilba7r, 7200 is noticeably faster than 5400. you really shouldnt buy 5400 anymore
[09:08] <ilba7r> kairu0 will have significant difference on performance. For the 7200 come with centrino 1.8 but with old ddr 333 mhz and 400 mhz cpu bus
[09:09] <kairu0> i see
[09:13] <kairu0> bo
[09:13] <kairu0> oops
[09:13] <kairu0> i need a new theme
[09:13] <kairu0> this plastik is blinding my eyes
[09:13] <aftertaf> !e17breezy
[09:13] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, e17breezy is E17 on breezy: : http://www.soulmachine.net/wiki/index.php?title=Enlightenment_on_Ubuntu_5.10_%28Breezy_Badger%29
[09:14] <aftertaf> more than a theme :)
[09:14] <kairu0> good themes between blinding-white and blinding-black are rare
[09:16] <kairu0> thats a whole wm dude hehehe
[09:16] <fatejudger> plastik is beautiful
[09:16] <fatejudger> what the hell are you talking about
[09:16] <kairu0> its good
[09:16] <kairu0> but its hurting my eyes after long use
[09:16] <fatejudger> Enlightenment is on Ubuntu????
[09:17] <kairu0> yes
[09:17] <fatejudger> how big?
[09:19] <fatejudger> and what is so good about enlightenment?
[09:20] <ilba7r> fatejudger you have to run enlightenment to know what is good about it. basically speed and elegence
[09:20] <fatejudger> what language is it written in?
[09:21] <kairu0> fatejudger, e performs better than kwm or metacity and looks twice as good
[09:21] <fatejudger> is it faster than gnome?
[09:21] <kairu0> hell yes
[09:21] <ilba7r> hell faster
[09:21] <kairu0> its faster than icewm
[09:21] <fatejudger> and what language is it written in?
[09:21] <kairu0> wow ilba7r and i are saying practically the same things hehe
[09:21] <ilba7r> kairu0 i will not go as far as faster then icewm
[09:21] <ilba7r> or open box
[09:22] <kairu0> i'll look it up
[09:22] <dwangoac> OK, thanks to those who helped me fix my Samba problem (resolved by adept update and setting adavanced filesharing).  Furthermore, OpenOffice 2 was easy to upgrade by adding deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/OOo2 ./ to my source.list and doing an upgrade, so I'm good there too.
[09:23] <fatejudger> can you use programs written for KDE or Gnome in Enlightenment?
[09:23] <kairu0> hmm i cant find the benchmarks where they use to be. anyway, i THINK it draws windows faster than icewm
[09:23] <dwangoac> Last problem I'll try to get help for tonight that I don't see any information on: Azureus (bit torrent client)  can't send or receive data... any idea why?
[09:23] <kairu0> fatejudger, yes..but e is generally better with gnome stuff than kde
[09:24] <ilba7r> kairu i run them both
[09:24] <kairu0> dwangoac, azureus works for me. are you behind i firewall?
[09:24] <dwangoac> kairu0: Nope, just a router, and it's not the problem - nothing changed between my hoary install which worked and this install, and if I switch to windows it's fine.
[09:24] <kairu0> fatejudger, e17 is pretty damned sweet (i used it for a while), but its not stable yet
[09:24] <gibarian> Hey everyone
[09:25] <fatejudger> kairu0: oh, it isn't stable
[09:25] <kairu0> dwangoac, i get an error about blocked port 6881 and if i click it, then it works after that
[09:25] <fatejudger> kairu0: well then I guess I can't use it right?
[09:25] <kairu0> fatejudger, you can for fun. i wouldnt make it my default environment
[09:25] <ilba7r> you can try e16 but the different is huge between the two
[09:25] <kairu0> fatejudger, e16 is stable, but its not as cool
[09:25] <dwangoac> kairu0: There's no blocked port on this one - it's fully forwarded, based on IP address...  I can't even receive a single byte, but AFAIK Kubuntu doesn't ship with a firewall.
[09:26] <dwangoac> kairu0: I thought about using a different client, but none of them showed up in Adept or Synaptec.
[09:27] <fatejudger> kairu0: how is not as cool?
[09:27] <kairu0> fatejudger, it doesnt look as sweet or perform quite as well
[09:27] <kairu0> fatejudger, its stable though
[09:27] <fatejudger> kairu0: then I should stay with KDE right?
[09:27] <fatejudger> kairu0: KDE hasn't ever let me down
[09:27] <fatejudger> kairu0: it's written in C++, and uses the beautiful QT libraries
[09:28] <kairu0> fatejudger, well enlightenment isnt an environment. its just a window manager. you'd probably miss your panels and control widgets from kde.
[09:28] <kairu0> dwangoac, are you using the right java?
[09:28] <fatejudger> kairu0: what do you mean?
[09:29] <dwangoac> kairu0: That's a very good question - AFAIK I am, but what is "right"?
[09:29] <fatejudger> kairu0: what environment does it use then?
[09:29] <gibarian> uh, I'm having a serious problem with my USB printer...anyone?
[09:29] <fatejudger> gibarian: just say what your problem is
[09:29] <dwangoac> kairu0: I'm using jre<IP_ADDRESS>
[09:30] <fatejudger> gibarian: don't just ask whether someone will help, most of us will look
[09:30] <insanekane> gibarian: whats the problem ?
[09:30] <kairu0> fatejudger, enlightenment gives you a right-click menu and a virtual desktop switcher in the corner, but the rest is up to you. aka you wouldnt even have desktop icons unless you loaded a module to draw them
[09:30] <fatejudger> kairu0: I don't want desktop icons
[09:30] <fatejudger> kairu0: as long as I have multiple desktops
[09:30] <fatejudger> kairu0: and a taskbar
[09:30] <fatejudger> kairu0: I'm quite happy
[09:31] <gibarian> fatejudger: well, my USB printer, which up to now always worked fine, now doesn't anymore...the moment I send something to print, it is turned inactive, and in IPP error messages is says that my USB device can't be found
[09:31] <fatejudger> kairu0: I'd rather just get a new theme for KDE
[09:31] <kairu0> dwangoac, try this: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[09:31] <insanekane> gibarian: did you try removing and reinstalling it ?
[09:31] <kairu0> fatejudger, enlightenment doesnt have a taskbar. (although you can add a os-x style icon bar)
[09:32] <ilba7r> fatejudger what i only miss in enlightenment that i find in kde is loading of the session after loging out
[09:32] <dwangoac> kairu0: should there be an apt-get or something in there? it throws an error wsaying -config is an unknown arguemnt
[09:32] <gibarian> isankane: yep, did that...it installs fine, but when I try to print a test sheet, it simply doesn't do anything...
[09:32] <gibarian> insanekane: and there's no error message about it either...it just doesn't print
[09:32] <kairu0> dwangoac, there are two "--" did you do that?
[09:33] <dwangoac> sudo update-alternatives --list java
[09:33] <dwangoac> /usr/bin/gij-wrapper-4.0
[09:33] <dwangoac> /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/bin/java
[09:33] <insanekane> gibarian: does it have any existing jobs ?
[09:33] <dwangoac> hmm...
[09:33] <gibarian> well, yeah, right now...but it's just on hold
[09:33] <dwangoac> +    2        /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/bin/java
[09:33] <dwangoac> +    2        /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/bin/java
[09:33] <insanekane> gibarian: did you try by unplugging, waiting for >3 minutes, then replugging ?
[09:33] <kairu0> dwangoac, i installed a third option called "/usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/java"
[09:34] <dwangoac> kairu0: sorry about that, Konversation keeps imediately typing stuff I paste
[09:34] <gibarian> Unable to open USB device "usb://hp/deskjet%203420?serial=TH29Q3D0WF41": No such device
[09:34] <fatejudger> ilba7r: that is a nice feature
[09:34] <gibarian> that's what it says
[09:34] <insanekane> gibarian: why don't you remove all jobs, stop the printer (i.e., in GUI), restart the printer (in GUI) and try again ? (this happens occassionally in my Canon S200)
[09:34] <dwangoac> kairu0: How would I do the same?
[09:35] <kairu0> dwangoac, search in adept for j2re
[09:35] <gibarian> insanekane: well, tried that....hrm
[09:35] <ilba7r> fatejudger but kde is too slow for my taste
[09:35] <gibarian> insanekane: whenever I activate the printer in the GUI it is turned inactive after a few seconds
[09:35] <kairu0> fatejudger, kde doesnt compare in speed to enlightenment
[09:36] <dwangoac> kairu0: Nothing there - I just confirmed I've got breezy universe, not sure about multiverse
[09:36] <insanekane> gibarian: so thats an HP 3420 ?
[09:36] <fatejudger> kairu0: how exactly is KDE slow?
[09:37] <gibarian> insanekane: yep
[09:37] <ilba7r> fatejudger do you hace icewm installed. If you have it run it and you will feel the difference
[09:37] <ilba7r> not as elegent as kde but is hell faster
[09:37] <kairu0> dwangoac, its probably multiverse.. cuz for one thing its not free
[09:38] <insanekane> gibarian: try "cat /var/log/cups/error_log"
[09:38] <gibarian> insanekane: I installed a USB 2.0 card two adys ago...can that be the problem?
[09:38] <kairu0> dwangoac, free as in open source
[09:38] <dwangoac> kairu0: gotcha
[09:38] <gibarian> insanekane: well, gives me the same error message I already sent...apparently that device can't be opened
[09:38] <insanekane> gibarian: maybe, did the problems start after that ?
[09:38] <dwangoac> kairu0: Adept shows only one multiverse - breezy-backports...
[09:39] <gibarian> insanekane: yeah
[09:39] <insanekane> gibarian: so the error is in CUPS
[09:39] <dwangoac> kairu0: would the correct line be deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy multiverse or something else?
[09:39] <kairu0> fatejudger, kde has a file manager, a panel(s), a window manager, a volume manager, etc. etc. running in the background. enlightenment is only a window manager.
[09:39] <gibarian> inanekane: hmm...
[09:39] <kairu0> dwangoac, yeah thats right
[09:39] <kairu0> brb
[09:39] <insanekane> gibarian: why don't you remove the USB card and check whether the printer works then
[09:40] <insanekane> gibarian: if it works, then it could be the HP printing system
[09:40] <fatejudger> kairu0: well I need all of that stuff
[09:40] <gibarian> insanekane: uh, well, I'll try that, thanks
[09:40] <fatejudger> kairu0: I have to browse files
[09:40] <fatejudger> kairu0: and control my volume
[09:41] <dwangoac> kairu0: Blackdawn version?
[09:41] <insanekane> gibarian: its not a solution ... just a method to troubleshoot the exact the problem
[09:41] <dwangoac> kairu0: correction: Blackdown 1.4 version?
[09:42] <kairu0> fatejudger, i agree. and thats why i use kde instead of enligtenment
[09:42] <kairu0> dwangoac, thats not my version but it will work
[09:42] <fatejudger> kairu0: I wish gnome used C++ and QT
[09:42] <fatejudger> kairu0: I would switch
[09:42] <kairu0> fatejudger, in fact, thats why i dumped xubuntu, which is what i used before kubuntu
[09:42] <hussam> the w32 codecs won't let me open QuickTime 7 files, are there any other codecs I can get?
[09:42] <kairu0> fatejudger, gnome will never use QT
[09:42] <dwangoac> kairu0: OK - I don't see any other j2 items in Adept
[09:43] <fatejudger> kairu0: I know it
[09:43] <kairu0> dwangoac, get blackdawn
[09:43] <fatejudger> kairu0: they're all devout to C
[09:43] <fatejudger> kairu0: and GTK
[09:43] <fatejudger> kairu0: and crazy about the GPL
[09:43] <kairu0> fatejudger, i like all of those things. but i think qt has more vision than gnome right now
[09:43] <kairu0> gnome=gtk
[09:43] <insanekane> fatejudger: Qt is also available under GPL :P
[09:43] <fatejudger> insanekane: not really
[09:44] <kairu0> yes, qt is now GPL.
[09:44] <fatejudger> insanekane: if it was GPLed businesses could use it
[09:44] <fatejudger> insanekane: for free
[09:44] <ilba7r> kairu0 what is xubuntu
[09:44] <insanekane> fatejudger: ok, i lose to you
[09:44] <fatejudger> insanekane: right now it's only free for open source projects
[09:44] <kairu0> ilba7r, xubuntu = ubuntu + xfce
[09:44] <ilba7r> ok
[09:44] <insanekane> fatejudger: businessess can use it for free under GPL (I do)
[09:44] <fatejudger> insanekane: did they just do that for QT 4?
[09:44] <kairu0> fatejudger, GPL permits that via artistic licenses
[09:45] <fatejudger> insanekane: because you had to buy a special license for commercial stuff
[09:45] <insanekane> fatejudger: Qt has been offerred under GPL for quite some time
[09:45] <insanekane> fatejudger: also, in Qt4, the GPL has been extended to Windows as well
[09:45] <kairu0> dwangoac, heres my version by the way: http://www.wolffelaar.nl/~jeroen/sun/sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb
[09:45] <insanekane> fatejudger: (not to mention the fact that there are GPLed Qts available for windows eveb before Qt4)
[09:45] <fatejudger> http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/pricing.html
[09:46] <fatejudger> that is hardly GPL
[09:46] <fatejudger> that's a special license
[09:46] <insanekane> fatejudger: so ?
[09:46] <insanekane> fatejudger: Qt is available under QPL and GPL
[09:48] <insanekane> fatejudger: the GTK people are mad about GTK not because of GPL, but because they can make closed source apps with GTK which is not possible under Trolltech ... note that this has *nothing* to do with GPL/non-GPL
[09:48] <kairu0> fatejudger, qt uses whats called "open source licensing" which is a subset of GNU GPL but allows to write their own license
[09:48] <insanekane> fatejudger: it has nothing to do with free software/open source software either
[09:49] <insanekane> kairu0: no, Qt is licensed under *both* QPL and GPL
[09:49] <dwangoac> kairu0: Would that package work natively in Kubuntu?
[09:49] <insanekane> kairu0: it is not a "subset of GPL"
[09:49] <kairu0> dwangoac, yes. i'm using it right now
[09:49] <dwangoac> kairu0: Apparently that worked - I'm connected and seeding for the first time ever.
[09:50] <insanekane> fatejudger, kairu0 : http://www.trolltech.com/company/model.html
[09:50] <kairu0> insanekane, i said that backwards. gpl has open source licensing as a subset
[09:50] <dwangoac> kairu0: It's interesting that the Java version installed was good enough to launch the app but not good enough to transfer data.  How annoying.
[09:50] <kairu0> dwangoac, glad it works
[09:51] <kairu0> brb gotta eat :)
[09:51] <insanekane> kairu0: perhaps that is true :) i do not comment on it
[09:51] <dwangoac> kairu0: Thank you very much for all of your help.  I was able to get through 4 completely debilitating problems, and my faith in Breezy has been restored.
[09:51] <hanseatic> when triing to install some isdn packages an error scrolled repatingly very fast over the screen, the only thing i could do was Xing the window.... now when i start adept again, i am told that adept runs not in root-mode, and i will not be able to change anything
[09:51] <kairuEAT> dwangoac, super . later!
[09:51] <hanseatic> please help!
[09:51] <dwangoac> kairuEAT: I'm gonna head to bed myself, but enjoy your dinner.
[09:53] <insanekane> hanseatic: you probably need to ask mornfall
[09:53] <insanekane> hanseatic: i would try by setting the root password, su to root and then apt-get -f install
[09:54] <insanekane> hanseatic: but i do not promise results
[09:54] <hanseatic> what does that do? create a real root-user?
[09:57] <fatejudger> insanekane: hmm, I didn't know this
[10:00] <insanekane> fatejudger: k
[10:00] <insanekane> hanseatic: umm, yes, sortof
[10:02] <hanseatic> i did a sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock and then sudo dpkg --configure -a now its working... many thanx for your help
[10:05] <fatejudger> damnit, I just totally screwed up the default Kubuntu theme
[10:05] <fatejudger> why doesn't anyone have this theme packaged as a theme file?
[10:05] <fatejudger> if you change themes you can't restore the original
[10:08] <fatejudger> does anyone know where I could find the original?
[10:19] <kairu0> ahh my nose itchs
[10:25] <kairu0> boop
[11:09] <cyne> how do i access my floppy disk? when i go to /media/floppy it shows as blank
[11:14] <cyne> ok i got it "mount /media/floppy"
[11:14] <dave> hi there, can anyone tell me how to succsessfully set up a 7 button mouse?  i would like the side buttons to be the forward/back functions respectively..thankyou.
[11:16] <dave> also, whats a good file manager, similar in apperance to explorer within windoze?
[11:19] <aseigo> dave: konqueror
[11:41] <dave> thx, i have just installed xfe which is quite nice
[11:52] <cyne> how do i fix a floppy disk?
[11:53] <cyne> a very old floppy disk
[11:56] <at1as>
[01:33] <dr3as> can't install kubuntu-desktop cause of problems with ksysguard
[01:33] <dr3as> anyone else have this?
[01:35] <dr3as> get this when trying to upgrade from ubuntu too kubuntu
[01:35] <propagandhi> dr3as: what do you get
[01:36] <dr3as> it gives me the error in norwegian, but i'll try too translate
[01:36] <dr3as> kubuntu-desktop:
[01:36] <propagandhi> yes..
[01:37] <dr3as> depends on: ksysguard but will not be installed
[01:37] <dr3as> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-72896.html
[01:37] <dr3as> can see i'm not the onlyone with that problem
[01:38] <dr3as> even that is a long time ago
[01:38] <Cheapie> odd
[01:38] <Cheapie> i'm having a COMPILING problem
[01:38] <propagandhi> dr3as: in synaptic/kynaptic or adept are any broken packages listed
[01:38] <Cheapie> it seems ubuntu specific
[01:39] <Cheapie> http://www.quakesrc.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=52169#52169 for error hrm.
[01:39] <propagandhi> Cheapie: explain
[01:39] <dr3as> no broken packages in synaptic
[01:39] <Cheapie> even with sudo cons, it still spits the access denied thing
[01:40] <propagandhi> Cheapie: what if you actually switch to root and then execute it
[01:40] <Cheapie> i dunno if that's even possible
[01:40] <propagandhi> sudo su -p
[01:41] <Cheapie> okay, but atm i'm regetting nasm
[01:41] <propagandhi> dr3as: Breezy?
[01:41] <propagandhi> do u have universe/multiverse etc enabled
[01:42] <propagandhi> and have you run apt-get update recently
[01:43] <dr3as> yes, have got both uni and multi, and done some apt-get updates today
[01:43] <dr3as> and using breezy
[01:44] <dr3as> i tryed a update from hoary to breezy but it failed, so i removed almost everything and then updated, worked nice, but can't install the kubuntu part
[01:46] <dr3as> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:46] <dr3as>   ksysguard: Depends: ksysguardd (= 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu6) but 4:3.4.91-0ubuntu0hoary1 is to be installed
[01:47] <dr3as> if i run apt-get ksysguard
[01:47] <dr3as> why? i have breezy as source
[01:47] <propagandhi> dr3as: you have the kde 3.5 beta repos also right
[01:48] <propagandhi> dr3as: thats the issue
[01:48] <dr3as> hmm, let me see, i guess i shouldnt have removed that one?
[01:48] <propagandhi> to resolve it, you can temporarily disable the kde 3.5 beta repos
[01:48] <propagandhi> and then do your kubuntu-desktop, and reenable if its what you wish
[01:49] <dr3as> i don't have it in my sources list anymore
[01:50] <propagandhi> dr3as: as of when?
[01:50] <dr3as> as of when i started to upgrade
[01:50] <dr3as> i can try putting it in again
[01:51] <propagandhi> dr3as: are u running kde
[01:51] <dr3as> can't install kde, cause of this. So now i'm sitting in gnome
[01:52] <dr3as> i added the 3.5 beta
[01:52] <piratawww> hiya
[01:52] <dr3as> will try installing kubuntu-dekstop now
[01:52] <dr3as> desk..
[01:52] <piratawww> can someone help me withc synce??
[01:56] <rumburak> hello guys, i have problem when i run Noatun error with artsd server, i donno what i can do ..?..
[01:56] <Cheapie> still can't compile after sudo su -p
[01:57] <Cheapie> access denied when i try to run /unix/cons even
[01:57] <Cheapie> hmm
[01:57] <Cheapie> hldon
[01:58] <Cheapie> bash: ./unix/cons: Permission denied
[01:58] <Cheapie> hm
[01:58] <propagandhi> thats interesting
[01:59] <rumburak> hi propagandhi ;]
[02:00] <Cheapie> trying to compile the q3a source code in ubuntu btw
[02:00] <propagandhi> rumburak: howdy
[02:00] <propagandhi> Cheapie: where do u get said source
[02:01] <rumburak> propagandhi: not good, because i cant play .wmv videos ;[ with caffeine, but with easykubuntu i installed all codecs ;[ i donno what to do with this problem
[02:02] <propagandhi> rumburak: mplayer is the best for all round video support i reckon
[02:02] <Cheapie> prop - id software's ftp
[02:02] <dr3as> heh, all day have been used too update this damn laptop.. yeye.. good my boss is gone for the weekend
[02:03] <rumburak> propagandhi: ok, i go try it, thx for tip
[02:03] <propagandhi> rumburak: good luck
[02:03] <chakie_work> hm, what package contains the normal C standard library man pages?
[02:04] <chakie_work> exit(), printf() etc
[02:04] <Cheapie> http://www.planetgargoyle.com/quake3-1.32b-source.zip
[02:04] <raphink>  Now playing : Barry Sisters - Bei Mir Bist Du Shain
[02:05] <propagandhi> Cheapie: how can the source be so small
[02:06] <Cheapie> prop - it doesn't contain any CONTENT
[02:07] <Cheapie> it's just the source code for the engine
[02:07] <Cheapie> and the tools
[02:07] <aftertaf> plop
[02:07] <Cheapie> i'm working on an open content project for it though
[02:30] <Madeye> guys, I'm using ubuntu, and I'm apting kubuntu-desktop for testing, now it's asking me to choose which display manager to go with, and the question is 'can I run KDE with GDM' ?
[02:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> use kdm
[02:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's recomended
[02:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> some options are missing if you use gdm IIRC, such as shut down/restart from the login screen
[02:32] <Madeye>  okay i'll use kdm, if I decided to switch back to gdm, how to switch back?
[02:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> should be abler to dpkg-reconfigure gdm IIRC
[02:35] <Madeye> cheers
[02:35] <Madeye> thansk
[02:35] <Madeye> shall I change anything in my repos for kde?
[02:36] <Madeye> I don't want to switch completly to kde, i just want to haev both desktops
[02:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> nah, you keep youre repos
[02:40] <at1as> Can I just say a big positive about Breezy?
[02:40] <at1as> They got DHCP and SAMBA to play nice, at least nice enough so my WINS servers aren't always disappearing.
[02:45] <jjesse> tell that to the person who was on yetserday bashing breezy :)
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol :) hi jjesse
[02:46] <jjesse> morning Kamping_Kaiser
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) hows it going?
[02:46] <jjesse> good, heading to in-laws this evening for the weekend and they don't believe in the internet :(
[02:47] <at1as> That might have been me bashing breezy too
[02:47] <at1as>
[02:47] <at1as> Or at least grumping a little.
[02:47] <jjesse> at1as: no this person didn't want to upgrade from hoary to breezy because he heard all these bad stories about how much it sucked or something like that
[02:47] <at1as> Somebody answered me about the "host not found"" issues
[02:47] <at1as> DOH!
[02:47] <at1as> Suspend works in Breezy.
[02:47] <at1as> Out of the box
[02:48] <at1as> Heck, Suspend to RAM even works on my laptops.
[02:48] <at1as> They've tied up a great deal of loose ends.
[02:48] <at1as> They've also introduced a few oddities, like the KMail "M" move "downgrade"
[02:49] <at1as> and the kernel/atheros driver seem to have issues with Cisco's VPN client when the network goes away.
[02:49] <apokryphos> at1as: KMail M move downgrade? Wha?
[02:49] <at1as> Other than that, I'm upgrading everything Hoary except for my media pc (which I've got rather stable and don't want to dork with at the moment.
[02:51] <at1as> When moving mail in Kmail using the "M" functionality...
[02:51] <jjesse> at1as: is there a cicso vpn client package?  one of the things that is holding me from going !windows on my laptop
[02:51] <at1as> The dialog pops up and displays a list of folders.
[02:51] <at1as> Normally, you type the name and the selection goes to the matching folder.
[02:52] <at1as> Not so in Breezy's version.  The only thing that happens is if you happen to type the first letter of the subsequent folder, it will move down one... DOH!
[02:52] <apokryphos> totally confused, but sounds like a keyboard shortcut, which is of course easy to change
[02:52] <at1as> Compare that to the fact that they fixed the IMAP Storage of contacts, calendar and Journal, and it's really quite a minor complaint... but still annoying.
[02:53] <at1as> Look it up on the bug list and vote for it!  It would help me out!  :)
[02:53] <at1as> jjesse: Yes, Cisco.com has a Linux client for their client-vpn solutions.
[02:53] <Madeye> guys, i just installed kubuntu, icons size is to large, how to can i amek them smaller
[02:53] <jjesse> at1as: cool i'll have to check it out
[02:53] <at1as> If you have a CCO account, go there and surf through their software selection for the client, choose the Linux version.  It's at version 4.7 right now.
[02:54] <at1as> It's how I do wireless since I'm obviously too stupid to get xsupplicant to work with our PEAP-MSCHAPv2 implementation.
[02:54] <apokryphos> at1as: IMAP storage of contacts etc was fine before
[02:54] <at1as> We also allow WEP with VPN
[02:54] <at1as> apokryphos: Not in Hoary.
[02:54] <apokryphos> yes, in Hoary -- I used it
[02:54] <at1as> apokryphos: I had to upgrade to some off-brand debs to get it to work.
[02:55] <at1as> Hold on, let me find the bug...
[02:55] <Madeye> anyone?
[02:55] <at1as> (Perhaps you had it working.  I'd be interested in what you did differently if so)
[02:56] <Madeye> Hello?
[02:58] <Madeye> guys, i just installed kubuntu, icons size is to large, how to can i amek them smaller
[02:58] <Madeye> make
[03:02] <Madeye> guys, ICONS on Kubuntu display very large
[03:02] <Madeye> please help
[03:03] <aftertaf> Madeye:  find your system setup page and go to appearance, let yourself be guided
[03:06] <Madeye> aftertaf, I did it, i'm not talking about the desktop icons, but about the applications icons
[03:06] <aftertaf> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[03:06] <aftertaf> no idea..... i'm on e17 now.
[03:06] <apokryphos> Madeye: application icons *where*?
[03:06] <apokryphos> they're obviously not the same wherever you are
[03:07] <kazu> hello i've got a few problem since yesterday
[03:07] <Madeye> apokryphos, right now i'm running x-chat and firefox, and in the bottom panel there is icon for firefox and for xchat
[03:07] <Madeye> and they are very large
[03:07] <apokryphos> Madeye: so in the system tray, you mean?
[03:08] <apokryphos> Madeye: how big? Could you produce a screeny?
[03:08] <apokryphos> you can use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl for screenies
[03:08] <kazu> I am using  laptop, and yesterday my .kde config files were corrupt ( thaht is not a problem i start the config again) but today the klog is using 86% of my process is someone could help me ?
[03:10] <Madeye> apokryphos, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4064
[03:11] <kazu> nobody could to give me a hand ?
[03:11] <apokryphos> Madeye: the icons don't look big at all; the text looks big
[03:11] <apokryphos> Madeye: you can make the kicker however large/small you like
[03:12] <Madeye> what is kicker?
[03:12] <rikva> the taskbar
[03:12] <apokryphos> the KDE Panel
[03:12] <Madeye> ah ok
[03:12] <Madeye> how to do it
[03:12] <Madeye> sorry but it's my first time on kde
[03:12] <rikva> right mousbutton
[03:12] <apokryphos> right-click -> panel menu -> configure panel
[03:13] <Madeye> ah cool, now it's tiny and looks fine
[03:13] <apokryphos> cool
[03:18] <eriksti> are there a lot of problems with KDE 3.5 beta2?
[03:19] <Madeye> kde looks like a game
[03:19] <Madeye> heh
[03:20] <Madeye> sorry
[03:21] <Chousuke> Madeye: :D
[03:21] <Madeye> to much colours for my eye
[03:22] <at1as> apokryphos: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7971
[03:22] <at1as>
[03:22] <apokryphos> Madeye: people have different aesthetic pleasures -- that's why it's so easy to change ;-)
[03:22] <Madeye> yeah, and at the end thats the power of linu x
[03:22] <apokryphos> at1as: 3.4, perhaps -- I was using 3.4.2
[03:23] <at1as> I am so addicted to KDE's look, I get ill feelings when using Windows and especially gnome. <no offense to others>
[03:23] <Madeye> actually i'm planing to start new business, a kindergarden that teach kids to use computers
[03:23] <Chousuke> Madeye: You can customise the colour
[03:23] <Madeye> and I think KDE would be much better for this case
[03:23] <at1as> apokryphos: I don't believe Hoary proper ever offered 3.4.2.
[03:24] <apokryphos> at1as: there was an official repository for it
[03:24] <at1as> apokryphos: ahhhhh....  It was an addon.  I gotcha.  Thanks.
[03:24] <apokryphos> Madeye: perhaps, but choosing a DE because of colours in Linux is reasonably absurd, IMO :P
[03:24] <at1as> Still, I'm singing the praises of breezy, so hush!  ;)
[03:25] <apokryphos> =)
[03:25] <at1as> Madeye: are you using edubuntu at all?
[03:25] <Madeye> apokryphos, haha I know, but it's still a reasonable reason to use it in business :-)
[03:25] <apokryphos> Madeye: yes, Edubuntu is ideal for schools
[03:25] <Madeye> at1as, to be installed today on another machine for testing
[03:26] <Madeye> *ubuntu family rocks
[03:26] <aftertaf> :)
[03:26] <Madeye> If i were a millioner I would donate 50%, pray for me to be millioneer!
[03:26] <Madeye> lol
[03:29] <StR> hi all
[03:30] <rumburak> hoy
[03:30] <ralph1> Hi all. I am trying to access my cdrom drive, but I keep getting an error that media/hdc does not exist. How can I correct this. I am running Breezy updated.
[03:31] <mth`MAW> Hi floks
[03:38] <kkathman> good day all :)
[03:46] <aftertaf> hi kkathman
[03:46] <aftertaf> :)
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi kkathman
[03:50] <Tm_T> hullo
[03:51] <fujisan> help please
[03:51] <fujisan> nalioth you here?
[03:51] <apokryphos> !helpme
[03:51] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[03:51] <Tm_T> fujisan: no I won't! drown you miserable!1
[03:51] <fujisan> Tm_T:  whats the matter?
[03:51] <Tm_T> nothing =)
[03:51] <fujisan> i have a problem with xmms
[03:52] <fujisan> it seems not be working and i cant close it down
[03:52] <Tm_T> ok
[03:52] <Tm_T> kill it an never ever open it again
[03:52] <fujisan> jwith which command do i do that?
[03:53] <apokryphos> solution!
[03:53] <fujisan> i know how in windows but not how on kubuntu
[03:53] <apokryphos> killall xmms   in terminal
[03:53] <fujisan> Konsole?
[03:53] <fujisan> comamnd killall?
[03:53] <apokryphos> yes, put that in the konsole
[03:53] <kkathman> morning aftertaf, Kamping_Kaiser  :)
[03:54] <kkathman> hey apokryphos  :)
[03:54] <apokryphos> hi there
[03:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi apokryphos
[03:54] <fujisan> never mind i got it i used the processtable
[03:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> still up :)
[03:54] <apokryphos> hola hola
[03:54] <fujisan> sup apokryphos
[03:54] <fujisan> you okay?
[03:54] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: me? It's afternoon :P
[03:54] <apokryphos> fujisan: fine, yup, thanks.
[03:54] <fujisan> 15:54
[03:54] <fujisan> right apokryphos ?
[03:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: it's am here :P
[03:55] <apokryphos> 2pm for me here now
[03:55] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: what evils have you been up to? ;-)
[03:56] <fujisan> 2 pm?
[03:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: not a lot :) at a mates place, workingon comptuters and getting drunk. just eh usual :P
[03:56] <apokryphos> hehe :)
[03:57] <fujisan> apokryphos: which timezone are you in?
[03:57] <apokryphos> GMT
[03:57] <fujisan> deviation from gmt please?
[03:58] <fujisan> that cant be apokryphos  unless your in UK
[03:58] <apokryphos> none at all; pure traditional gtm ;-)
[03:58] <fujisan> i thought you came from greece
[03:58] <apokryphos> indeed I am; London
[03:58] <fujisan> ok
[03:58] <ralph1> An error occurred while loading media:/hdc:
[03:58] <ralph1> The file or folder media:/hdc does not exist.
[03:58] <apokryphos> I'm Greek, but live in London
[03:58] <fujisan> ok
[03:58] <ralph1> An error occurred while loading media:/hdc:
[03:58] <ralph1> The file or folder media:/hdc does not exist.
[03:58] <fujisan> i get it
[03:58] <ralph1> An error occurred while loading media:/hdc:
[03:58] <ralph1> The file or folder media:/hdc does not exist.
[03:59] <kkathman> ralph1 uhm..no need to repeat dude :)
[04:00] <ralph1> Hi all In trying to access a cdrom today I come up with this error message "An error occurred while loading media:/hdc: The file or folder media:/hdc does not exist." I have found no work arounds
[04:00] <ralph1> sorry for the repeats brain seems dead today
[04:00] <kkathman> yeah we noticed about 1000 times :)
[04:01] <apokryphos> ralph1: please don't flood the channel. If someone is able/willing to help, they will :)
[04:01] <Erwin_fire> How do i view the banlist of a channel in Konversation ?
[04:01] <rumburak> problem with Mplayer, when i get video to fullscreen then it still have same small size ;[
[04:02] <apokryphos> Erwin_fire: /mode #channel b
[04:02] <apokryphos> Erwin_fire: yes, you are banned in #ubuntu ;-)
[04:02] <Erwin_fire> nope am not
[04:02] <kazu> hi
[04:02] <apokryphos> Erwin_fire: you are
[04:02] <kazu> is there someone who can help me ? i have a strange problem
[04:03] <Erwin_fire> no am not
[04:03] <Erwin_fire> i'm not fujisan
[04:03] <Erwin_fire> i'm his brother
[04:03] <jbasilio> kazu: what's your problem?
[04:03] <kkathman> kazu what's the issue?
[04:03] <apokryphos> irrelevant, really
[04:04] <kazu> jbasilio: this morning when i launch y laptop klog was using 86% of the process
[04:04] <kazu> so I do: /etc/init.d/klogd stop
[04:04] <kazu> then /etc/init.d/klogd start
[04:04] <kazu> and i had this error :
[04:04] <kazu> /etc/init.d/klogd start
[04:04] <kazu>  * Starting kernel log daemon...                                                                                /etc/init.d/klogd: line 60: /usr/bin/mkfifo: cannot execute binary file
[04:04] <kazu> chown: ne peut accder `/var/run/klogd/kmsg': Aucun fichier ou rpertoire de ce type
[04:05] <jbasilio> wow.  strange error indeed!
[04:05] <kazu> and i have really no idea why and how to solve it
[04:05] <jbasilio> lemme look at the script
[04:05] <jbasilio> can you run mkfifo by itself?
[04:06] <kazu> no
[04:06] <jbasilio> type mkfifo .. does it come back with "arguments needed"?
[04:06] <kazu> i try and i had an error
[04:06] <jbasilio> what error?
[04:06] <kazu>  /usr/bin/mkfifo: /usr/bin/mkfifo: cannot execute binary file
[04:06] <jbasilio> ahh.  ok good.
[04:07] <kazu> good ? explain :p
[04:07] <jbasilio> 1 second .. afk on phone
[04:08] <kazu> last week i have done something with hdparm maybe it's link: i activated dma and io32_support on /dev/hda ... but it was working well after
[04:08] <kazu> (ok take your time :) )
[04:09] <jbasilio> could be corruping your files ... AFAIK hdparm stuff is done automatically nowadays (i could be off though)
[04:09] <jbasilio> looking for what package has mkfifo in it
[04:09] <kazu> coreutils
[04:09] <kkathman> ralph1: you still here?
[04:09] <jbasilio> way ahead of me .. :)
[04:09] <kazu> but i was going to remove and reinstall but ... if i do that it's pretty the same thing than to format ...
[04:09] <jbasilio> i assume you reinstalled it?
[04:10] <jbasilio> why is it the same thing as format?
[04:10] <Erwin_fire> lol you guys i'm in a chat channel with the real Emmanual Goldstein :O
[04:10] <kazu> remove coreutils == remove lot and lot of thing
[04:10] <Erwin_fire> #2600
[04:10] <Erwin_fire> ;o
[04:10] <Erwin_fire> this is so kewl
[04:10] <kazu> try to do apt-get remove coreutils and you will see
[04:10] <jbasilio> kazu: well, you can manually force that stuff using dpkg
[04:10] <jbasilio> kazu: apt-get is overkill for what you need
[04:11] <kazu> dpkg -r coreutils ?
[04:11] <jbasilio> kazu: lemme check something .. did a dpkg thing the other week
[04:11] <kazu> ok
[04:11] <jbasilio> kazu: looking for the 'magical' switch to reinstall packages through dpkg (or apt-get for that matter)
[04:12] <kazu> ok thks
[04:12] <jbasilio> did you try apt-get --reinstall install ?
[04:13] <kazu> no let me try 5s
[04:13] <kazu> seems it's ok
[04:13] <jbasilio> ok meaning it won't reinstall?
[04:13] <kazu> non it reinstall
[04:13] <kazu> so gimme a few seconds i tell you if the problem is solved
[04:14] <ralph1> kkathman: yes was looking on forum for answers but am finding none that5 work
[04:15] <kazu> ok i got a lot and lot of error doing this saying can't reding the copy of .... because it's in read only mode ... or can't delete he file because it's in read only mode
[04:15] <jbasilio> you did this using sudo, right?
[04:15] <kazu> i am in root actually
[04:16] <jbasilio> ls -la /usr/bin/mkfifo
[04:16] <jbasilio> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 15196 2005-09-05 05:14 /usr/bin/mkfifo
[04:16] <jbasilio> how about you?
[04:16] <kazu> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 15196 2005-09-05 10:14 /usr/bin/mkfifo
[04:16] <jbasilio> hmmm. weirdness.
[04:17] <jbasilio> you can probably force the reinstall .. your call at this point
[04:17] <kazu> ...
[04:17] <kazu> -f ?
[04:17] <jbasilio> man page says that's fix broken
[04:17] <kazu> k
[04:18] <jbasilio> hmmm.   are there a ton or errors from read only files?  maybe you can make them read/write temporarily
[04:18] <kazu> yes
[04:18] <kazu> the is a ton
[04:18] <jbasilio> can't image what caused this though ... hdparm is certainly a strong candidate
[04:18] <jbasilio> imagine that is
[04:19] <kazu> k
[04:19] <kazu> so you thing if i remove the option i put
[04:19] <kazu> that can work ?
[04:19] <kazu> or do i have to format ?
[04:19] <jbasilio> format isn't even on the radar yet ... don't go there!  :)
[04:19] <kazu> ok ( saved : )
[04:19] <jbasilio> i think removing the option (unless there was a darn good reason) might be a good idea
[04:20] <jbasilio> were you have big performance problems or just trying to tweak?
[04:20] <kazu> ( my fat 32 partition was slow
[04:20] <kazu> ( very slow )
[04:20] <kazu> so i put xfr 69 ( i remove it this morning )
[04:20] <kazu> and i activate io_support and dma)
[04:20] <kazu> this tow last still on
[04:21] <jbasilio> maybe try 1 at a time ... dma i can see helping a lot.  not sure about io_support
[04:21] <kazu> ok jbasilio i remove the option and reboot
[04:22] <jbasilio> looking for dpkg flags for reinstall.  lower level, might be able to force easier
[04:22] <kazu> jbasilio: seems that due to the dpkg comand all my files are read only now
[04:23] <kazu> i can't event run a vi on hdparm.conf
[04:23] <jbasilio> why?  what's the error?
[04:23] <jbasilio> oh, sorry missed the read only thing
[04:24] <jbasilio> so after running apt-get everything went read only?  even though it failed due to errors?
[04:24] <kazu> yes
[04:24] <jbasilio> can you still run dpkg and apt-get?
[04:24] <kazu> i reboot maybe no ?
[04:24] <jbasilio> yeah, try that
[04:25] <kazu> ok see you in few min
[04:29] <kkathman> arrggg...phones!
[04:30] <kkathman> jbasilio: wow someone was in last night and couldnt run apt also
[04:30] <seezer> and arrrggg...stupid idea to give a "gui-firewall" a try
[04:30] <seezer> hi kkathman
[04:30] <kkathman> hey there seezer o/ :)
[04:30] <kkathman> seezer: firestarter?
[04:30] <jbasilio> kkathman: weird.  it all started with something else though (mkfifo wasn't able to be executed)
[04:31] <jbasilio> kkathman: but after trying to reinstall coreutils everything went read only ... i thought apt-get was supposed to NOT screw stuff up unless it was in a good state (i.e. if it fails, it hasn't changed anything yet)
[04:31] <kkathman> jbasilio: yah this person last night, there were three of us that couldnt figure it out.  Until he fessed up that he had some foreign repo and did an Adept Update
[04:31] <seezer> kkathman: right. looks quite cool and shit. but had the stupid idea to close it yesterday evening and in the morning thought 'ah, forgot to gimme ssh access from outside'
[04:31] <kkathman> seezer: uh oh :(
[04:32] <seezer> sudo firestarter just showed up as a notshown icon - and got not much time
[04:32] <kkathman> live and learn :)
[04:32] <seezer> so thought 'fuck it' and ctrl+c'ed the sudo
[04:32] <kkathman> lol
[04:32] <seezer> result: firestarter died - but set every chain to drop first
[04:33] <kkathman> jbasilio: apparently one of the cd's or kubuntu's come with a weird bakport entry in the repository (breezy-backports) or something like that
[04:33] <seezer> nothing in - nothing out - no long awaited download finished... :)
[04:33] <kkathman> ouch seezer  :)
[04:34] <seezer> but beside this - firestarter looks kinda pretty
[04:35] <spike> hi
[04:35] <seezer> hi there
[04:35] <kkathman> Hello spike
[04:35] <spike> anybody that can help me with boot splash? I upgraded from hoary to breezy, and discussing with a friend of mine it came up I was supposed to get bootsplash, but I havent
[04:35] <spike> it goes in text mode as it did on hoary
[04:36] <spike> I'm running 2.6.12, pre-built image
[04:36] <kkathman> spike: you did update your repos right, and did an apt-get update?
[04:36] <spike> so kernel should have bootsplash and stuff
[04:36] <spike> kkathman: yes, dist-upgrade, running breezy and everything works like a charm, it's a wonderful update :)
[04:37] <kkathman> hmm
[04:37] <kazu> hi again
[04:37] <kazu> jbasilio: are u here ?
[04:37] <_guMuTpoB> hello, recently I preinstalled win and now i cannot boot into kubuntu, how could I revert to multiboot again ?
[04:37] <jbasilio> yup
[04:37] <spike> kkathman: and "splah" is listed among the grub boot options
[04:37] <kkathman> spike ya you should have gotten a brand new splash ...but oddly, if something goes awry, it drops to text mode
[04:38] <kazu> jbasilio:  so whan i reboot i got a fsck forced with a lot and lot of error
[04:38] <kazu> they seems to have been correct
[04:38] <kkathman> spike: I'd take a gander at the dmesg and make sure everything is ok
[04:38] <jbasilio> kazu: hdparm induced no doubt
[04:38] <jbasilio> kazu: everything working now?
[04:38] <kazu> klog work
[04:38] <kazu> but apt is not
[04:38] <kkathman> spike: this happened to me when I had a network glitch recently
[04:38] <jbasilio> apt is not?!?!?!?  wow.  what's the error?
[04:38] <kazu> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[04:38] <jbasilio> did you run that?
[04:38] <kazu> dpkg --configure -a
[04:38] <kazu> dpkg: erreur de traitement de coreutils (--configure):
[04:38] <kazu>  Le paquet est dans un tat vraiment incohrent - vous devriez
[04:38] <kazu>  le rinstaller avant de tenter de le configurer.
[04:38] <spike> kkathman: dmesg says nothing about bootsplash, I've checked it
[04:38] <kazu> Des erreurs ont t rencontres pendant l'excution:
[04:38] <kazu>  coreutils
[04:39] <kazu> erf it's in french
[04:39] <jbasilio> sure is .. :)
[04:39] <kkathman> spike: did the whole thing start in text mode?
[04:39] <kazu> i translate: error while running coreutils
[04:39] <apokryphos> kazu: use a pastebin service in the future, for pasting
[04:40] <jbasilio> apokryphos: for 3 lines?
[04:40] <spike> kkathman: yes
[04:40] <kazu> ok apokryphos
[04:40] <apokryphos> jbasilio: .....which it was more than
[04:40] <spike> kkathman: and acutally I just discovered usplash isnt installed...
[04:40] <kkathman> ahhh
[04:40] <spike> nor kubuntu-artwork-usplash
[04:40] <kkathman> hmmm
[04:40] <spike> I'll apt-get those and see what happens, eh?
[04:40] <kazu> pastebin service  ? hum i ask u how after
[04:40] <kkathman> spike: I'd double check the repos....you sure you did an apt-get update prior to doing the dist-upgrade?
[04:40] <apokryphos> !pastebin
[04:41] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:41] <jbasilio> apokryphos: sure ...
[04:41] <kazu> jbasilio:  it says me to reinstall coreutils
[04:41] <spike> kkathman: btw, can u quickly tell me what xubuntu is?
[04:41] <apokryphos> !xubuntu
[04:41] <ubotu> xubuntu is, like, totally, Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[04:41] <kazu> !pastebin
[04:41] <jbasilio> man, some pretty anal ppl on the channel
[04:41] <spike> tnx
[04:41] <jbasilio> kazu: can you reinstall it then?
[04:41] <kkathman> spike: xubuntu is ubuntu + XFCE
[04:41] <apokryphos> kazu: see what ubotu said
[04:41] <kazu> ok :)
[04:41] <kkathman> instead of KDE
[04:41] <kazu> he said somedy already ask that :p
[04:41] <kazu> !pastebin
[04:41] <ubotu> hmm... pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:41] <spike> kkathman: yes, if I didnt I'd expected the upgrade to breezy to fail, no?
[04:41] <jbasilio> note the word "large"
[04:42] <jbasilio> whatever, it's beside the point.
[04:42] <kkathman> spike well it wouldnt necessarily fail, but it wouldnt have all the right stuff, at a minimum.  But then if you upgraded, theres no reason the bootsplash wouldnt be there either...soooooo??
[04:42] <kazu> ok jbasilio  so to reinstall coreutils : apt-get --reinstall install coreutils ?
[04:42] <kkathman> hehe
[04:42] <jbasilio> kazu: sure, try that.  or you can run the dpkg line it is suggesting
[04:43] <spike> kkathman: btw, that's my source.list, looks fine to me: http://rafb.net/paste/results/3G8eHJ56.html
[04:43] <kazu> what is the dpkg line ?
[04:43] <jbasilio> dpkg --configure -a
[04:43] <jbasilio> from the line that you pasted (and caused all the heat)  :)
[04:44] <kkathman> yea its ok I think
[04:44] <kazu> yeah but the dpkg line tell me to reinstall coreutils ( actually reinsalling
[04:44] <spike> what can I do with usplash?
[04:44] <kkathman> mine is a bit different tho, spike, cuz I took mine off the official upgrade site
[04:44] <kazu> seems to work well
[04:44] <jbasilio> kazu: i see.  ok, good.  apt works now?
[04:45] <kazu> yeah it's working
[04:45] <kkathman> spike: do you have that?  you might try sudo apt-get install usplash and see.
[04:45] <spike> kkathman: yeah, done that
[04:45] <jbasilio> kazu: excellent.  you get the "weird problem of the day" award (from me at least).
[04:45] <kkathman> spike:  and the result?
[04:45] <spike> kkathman: am I not supposed to run it or something?
[04:45] <jbasilio> kazu: on that note, i gotta run.  c ya
[04:45] <kazu> lol :) thanks jbasilio
[04:46] <kazu> if you were no a man i 'd kis u :)
[04:46] <spike> kkathman: the result is I'm talking to u and should reboot to test it :). it installed fine, that's all I can see now
[04:46] <kkathman> spike: its a utility, but I've never run it personally
[04:46] <spike> I c
[04:46] <spike> anybody knows how to run usplash?
[04:47] <kkathman> spike:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USplash
[04:47] <spike> seen that, no useful info
[04:47] <spike> it's just a description page about the pkg
[04:47] <kkathman> oh.. well spike, reboot and see what happens I guess :)
[04:48] <kkathman> spike try this thread<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:48] <kkathman> seems to have the same problem
[04:51] <spike> mmmh Searching for splash image... none found, skipping...
[04:55] <kazu> thks for all
[04:55] <kazu> see ya
[04:55] <kkathman> ahh no splash image??
[04:55] <kkathman> odd
[04:58] <stbain> greetings all
[04:58] <tenco> hi all
[04:59] <Mars> Hi
[04:59] <tenco> are there status updates for kde-i18n ? because kdevelop3 is only english, yet
[04:59] <stbain> I'm installing my printer (Epson Stylus C86) and I hit an "Unable to create the Foomatic driver" such as the one mentioned here: http://kubuntuforums.net/index.php?topic=269.0  Unfortunately, Google doesn't turn up any fixes to the problem. Has anyone overcome error before?
[04:59] <stbain> s/error/this error/
[05:06] <kkathman> wow lots of KDE updates today??
[05:10] <rikva> kkathman: see the topic
[05:10] <rikva> (of this channel)
[05:12] <spike> kkathman: it works :)
[05:12] <spike> resolution sux, tho
[05:13] <spike> I think it cant go over 1024x768, and the image looks stretched or something... wish it just left it centered or whatever
[05:14] <bhna> are the new kde updates for kubuntu importantly?? solve this updates the media:/ prob with harddisks?
[05:15] <rikva> bhna: they solve tha adminmode bug, and not the media:/ bug
[05:16] <bhna> rikva: thanks. where can i read this? are there any docus about the updates?
[05:17] <StR> Hi all
[05:17] <StR> anyway to fix arts for kde 3.5b2 while we wait for  the next 3.5?
[05:28] <kkathman> rikva: yah I noticed, but I was kind of surprised to how many updates there were
[05:36] <Mars> How to write white in rgb?
[05:38] <kkathman> Mars?
[05:38] <Mars> ?
[05:39] <bhna> is there any documantaion or changelog about the updates??
[05:39] <kkathman> Mars you mean hex for white??  #FFFFFF
[05:39] <kkathman> bhna: dont know...there are about 29 updates
[05:40] <kkathman> all to major kde components
[05:40] <Gambix> yahoo
[05:40] <Gambix> salut
[05:40] <bhna> Mars: rgb(0, 0, 0)
[05:40] <kkathman> bhna: thats black isnt it?
[05:40] <kkathman> 255,255,255
[05:41] <kkathman> thats white
[05:41] <bhna> kkathman: sorry this is black i mean rgb (255,255,255)
[05:41] <kkathman> hehe
[05:41] <kkathman> whew thought I was losing it :)
[05:42] <bhna> kkathman: no no i was to fast with copy and past ;-)
[05:43] <Mars^> kkathman, no
[05:43] <Mars^> I need to set coloru in liquid weather
[05:49] <bhna> wich is the best kwin-decor?
[05:50] <kkathman> bhna: I think thats just a matter of taste :)
[05:50] <Tm_T> forky!
[05:50] <Tm_T> flatknifty-modification I made ;)
[05:51] <kkathman> ?
[05:51] <bhna> kkathman: yes you are right, but what do you think?
[05:52] <bhna> Tm_T: where can i find a deb for kubuntu?
[05:52] <Tm_T> bhna: I think knifty and dlatknifty
[05:52] <kkathman> bhna: I change mine week to week actually...right now Im using a combo
[05:52] <Tm_T> flatknifty even
[05:52] <Tm_T> bhna: you can't, as long as I don't do one (and I won't)
[05:53] <bhna> Tm_T: ok, is there a deb for flatknifty?
[05:54] <Tm_T> bhna: dunno, prolly no
[05:54] <kkathman> what the heck is this Tm_T ?
[05:55] <Tm_T> ?
[05:55] <Tm_T> bhna: you can get sources from kde-look.org