[00:05] <UKGent> Hi everyone - just successfully upgraded to Jaunty
[00:07] <SiDi> UKGent: congratz :D
[00:07] <UKGent> SiDi thanks - my old settings seem OK so far anyway lol
[00:08] <SiDi> glad for you :D
[00:09] <UKGent> They are already talking about 'Kool' anyway - that seems a more radical departure with 'cloud' capability etc.  looking forward to it
[00:14] <SiDi> good night people
[00:14] <UKGent> night
[00:57] <arktvrvs> I've ifconfig'd eth0, did the iptables command, and installed/configured dnsmasq (all as i did on slackware for simple NAT) but I'm not having much luck here on ubuntu, I have a suspicion that networkmanager is the culprit. Whats the easiest way to set up NAT?
[01:13] <n2diy> when I load a music cd Totem movie player opens?
[01:13] <ochosi> n2diy, that means you have that option activated in thunar's volume management
[01:14] <n2diy> ochos, ok, how do I access that?
[01:15] <Idespnnr> any one ever see this error when trying to modify partitions?? "enclosing drive for volume is locked"
[01:15] <n2diy> ochos, edit/prefrences?
[01:15] <JPohlmann> Idespnnr: Sounds like you're actually *using* the drive you want to modify.
[01:18] <Idespnnr> JPohlmann: odd... its the xubuntu live cd
[01:19] <JPohlmann> Idespnnr: Have you mounted one of the existing hard drive partitions?
[01:24] <n2diy> .Can someone recommend an intermediate level drawing program, I don't need the power (or learning curve) of Gimp, but I would like to work in a grid enviornment.
[01:25] <tmurase> dia, maybe?
[01:25] <tmurase> although that's more akin to visio
[01:28] <Idespnnr> JPohlmann: I have not
[01:28] <Idespnnr> I can confirm via mount command
[01:28] <Idespnnr> and cat /proc/mount
[01:28] <JPohlmann> You can also check the listing of "df -h".
[01:29] <JPohlmann> If you have no partition from your hard drive mounted and still get that error that'd be a bug.
[01:37] <ochosi> n2diy, sorry, you misspelled my name so i didn't get notified
[01:38] <ochosi> n2diy, in case you haven't found it yet: thunar -> edit -> preferences -> advanced -> (under volume management) configure
[01:38] <n2diy> ochosi, sorry about that. Yes, I found it.
[01:39] <qkall> hi im trying to use the same script i was using in previous ubuntus (now on 9.04) for my backgrounds...
[01:39] <qkall> i set up a cron job
[01:39] <qkall> */5 * * * * killall -URS1 xfdesktop
[01:39] <qkall> it doesnt seem to work with juanty
[01:40] <ochosi> qkall, you have to use xfconf for that (haven't changed the bgimage yet with that, so you'll have to look for yourself)
[01:44] <qkall> ochosi: ok i found a perl script... however i don't fully understand it...
[01:45] <qkall> i know i have to change the folder where my pictures are in the script... but not really understanding it... going to play around... brb
[01:48] <ochosi> qkall, example: xfconf-query -c xfce4-desktop -p /backdrop/screen0/monitor0/image-path -s ~/path-to-wallpaper
[01:49] <princedugan> Someone told me a command that I since forgot, to reset opengl settings and it fixed my slow <1fps performance. does anybody here know it?
[02:24] <n2diy> .Can someone recommend an intermediate level drawing program, I don't need the power (or learning curve) of Gimp, but I would like to work in a grid enviornment.
[02:27] <n2diy> Is gnome office suitable for xubuntu?
[02:37] <TheSheep> n2diy: mtpaint
[02:38] <n2diy> TheSheep: tnx
[02:38] <TheSheep> n2diy: but gimp is really not as hard as rumored, especially recent versions
[02:39] <n2diy> TheSheep: well, maybe I'll take another look at it, but I don't need layers and stuff, I just want to draw a grid.
[02:41] <tantradnya> n2diy: Did you try Dia?
[02:42] <n2diy> tantradnya: working on it, can't find it in my menus, so I'm going to try and run it from the cli now.
[02:43] <tantradnya> I also need same grid based drawing, equivalent to MS Visio
[02:43] <tantradnya> I will try Kivio but we need KDE
[02:44] <TheSheep> Inkscapeno idea what visio does
[02:44] <TheSheep> sorry
[02:44] <TheSheep> no idea
[02:45] <n2diy> tantradnya: Dia just finished loading, and looks like it will do what I want, a grid is displayed by default, don't know if it is printable yet?
[02:45] <TheSheep> tantradnya: if you need graphs and diagrams, try dia
[02:46] <TheSheep> Inkscape could work too
[02:46] <TheSheep> a little more manual
[02:46] <tantradnya> ok I will try
[02:47] <TheSheep> neither inkscape or dia are raster though
[02:47] <TheSheep> both do vectors
[02:48] <TheSheep> they don't have a good library with ready symbols though, that's a great shame
[02:48] <TheSheep> you can use system icons with inkscape
[02:57] <tmurase> visio is like dia :)
[03:13] <J_Litewski> gha, i'm only on chapter 8...
[03:14] <J_Litewski> and Internet Applications basically needs a rewrite to sound (and look) nice
[03:15] <J_Litewski> fun fun fun making the Help Documents newbie friendly
[03:19] <n2diy> Dia is cool, does everything I need, now I'm trying to print my diagram, but I don't know how to tell dia to use the network printer, it is looking for lpr?
[03:20] <arktvrvs> Where is the menu editor in 9.04?
[03:22] <arktvrvs> and why does everything look so different?
[03:47] <J_Litewski> Gnome Office is installed by default, correct?
[04:22] <J_Litewski1> Is Scribus installed by default?
[04:47] <Mood> J_Litewski1: i don't believe so
[04:47] <J_Litewski1> ok, ty
[04:47] <J_Litewski1> fixing some errors in the docs
[05:05] <Mood> why isn't k/x/ubuntu CIFS related shutdown bug still not fixed? or is it just me who keeps getting it? (hardy heron, ibex, and now jaunty)
[05:06] <Mood> am i doing something wrong on the installs? or does everyone get the error message "CIFS VFS: Server Not Responding" errors as well?
[05:09] <J_Litewski1> is there a man graphical frontend?
[08:26] <ipressthebuttons> hello
[08:26] <ipressthebuttons> guys?
[08:28] <ipressthebuttons> is nobody there? D:
[08:51] <ipressthebutton1> what time is keb usually on?
[08:55] <_Pete_> 00:00-00:59
[08:56] <ipressthebutton1> I have a question for keb D:
[08:56] <_Pete_> only for him?
[08:56] <ipressthebutton1> well
[08:56] <ipressthebutton1> he solved a problem of mine before.
[08:57] <ipressthebutton1> and I posted a url here
[08:57] <ipressthebutton1> and I forgot that url, but need it again
[08:57] <ipressthebutton1> and I had to reinstall xubuntu, so I can't check MY Internet history.
[08:57] <_Pete_> that might be a problem
[08:58] <ipressthebutton1> the issue is in my resolution
[08:58] <ipressthebutton1> I have a hand-me-down gateway laptop, and it's a bit finicky
[08:58] <ipressthebutton1> My screen is 1280x750, and the screen resolution I have right now is 1600x1200
[08:58] <ipressthebutton1> I can't see the bottom or right side of my screen. It's a huge pain.
[08:59] <_Pete_> unofortunatelly, I cant help you
[08:59] <ipressthebutton1> that's why keb needs to save the day
[08:59] <_Pete_> good point
[09:00] <_Pete_> I have already relied to nvidia
[09:00] <_Pete_> everything with that works perfectly
[09:00] <ipressthebutton1> my graphics card is annoying on this
[09:01] <ipressthebutton1> xubuntu is the best working system I've tried so far, and I've tried a lot of systems
[09:01] <ipressthebutton1> every OS I install here has the same 1600x1200 resolution
[09:01] <ipressthebutton1> xubuntu's menu is in the top left, the only part I can see
[09:01] <_Pete_> odd
[09:01] <ipressthebutton1> so it works.
[09:02] <ipressthebutton1> my windows got a crippling virus, and I'm just using a temporary OS until I can get a new laptop. This one is fairly old.
[09:02] <_Pete_> right
[09:02] <_Pete_> personally I hate laptops
[09:02] <ipressthebutton1> Personally
[09:02] <ipressthebutton1> it's all I have
[09:02] <ipressthebutton1> Desktops are too expensive for a jobless student
[09:03] <_Pete_> yeah right
[09:03] <_Pete_> where are you from?
[09:03] <ipressthebutton1> missouri
[09:03] <_Pete_> and where's that ?
[09:03] <ipressthebutton1> the united states of america?
[09:04] <_Pete_> ok
[09:04] <_Pete_> you happen to know not all world is usa
[09:04] <ipressthebutton1> really?
[09:04] <ipressthebutton1> woahhhh
[09:05] <_Pete_> anyway
[09:05] <_Pete_> for your resolution problem
[09:06] <_Pete_> I can not help :(
[09:06] <ipressthebutton1> I can deal with it for now.
[09:06] <_Pete_> lolz
[09:07] <_Pete_> this is "linux for desktops"
[09:07] <_Pete_> if you know that
[09:07] <ipressthebutton1> the only difference is the screen size
[09:08] <ipressthebutton1> I'm gonna go now
[09:09] <_Pete_> If I mau query
[09:09] <_Pete_> what do do with comp?
[09:09] <ipressthebutton1> what does anyone do with a computer
[09:10] <_Pete_> well
[09:10] <ipressthebutton1> youtube and porn
[09:10] <_Pete_> if you ask from me
[09:10] <ipressthebutton1> that's what computers are for
[09:10] <_Pete_> I am sure answer is totally different thab yours
[09:45] <Doctor_Vex> alright
[09:45] <Doctor_Vex> i need a little help here
[09:46] <Doctor_Vex> i wanted to try windows game DVD to install via wine and look if it runs
[09:46] <Doctor_Vex> but Xubuntu does not show any content on said DVD
[10:22] <Kerio> hello
[10:22] <SiDi> hi
[10:23] <Kerio> gonna install x-ubuntu today. Preparing a harddrive thats gonna be dedicated to different OS's :)
[10:24] <SiDi> good idea :P
[10:24] <Kerio> 200gb sata with, xubuntu, win7, xp and so on
[10:24] <Doctor_Vex> so no one can tell me why i cant see the DVDs content?
[10:24] <SiDi> you should even dedicate it to the Mouse
[10:24] <SiDi> Doctor_Vex: codec missing :P
[10:24] <Kerio> pherhaps other distro's as well :)
[10:24] <SiDi> !medibuntu
[10:24] <SiDi> !libdvdcss2
[10:24] <SiDi> !restricted
[10:24] <Doctor_Vex> codec for what?
[10:24] <Doctor_Vex> i want to see the content of the DVD
[10:24] <Doctor_Vex> not some movie
[10:24] <SiDi> oh
[10:25] <SiDi> you mean your DVD drive ?
[10:25] <Doctor_Vex> well doh wait
[10:26] <Doctor_Vex> i just figured that i havent put in a DVD drive in that Xubuntu PC
[10:26] <SiDi> Kerio: do you know about dualbooting and bootloaders already ?
[10:26] <Doctor_Vex> xD
[10:26] <SiDi> Doctor_Vex: doh.. :)
[10:26] <Kerio> think i got sufficent info about it
[10:26] <Doctor_Vex> makes sense that the CD drive cant read it
[10:26] <Kerio> grub will create an entry for xp as well hopefully?
[10:27] <SiDi> Kerio: for XP sure
[10:27] <Kerio> nice
[10:27] <SiDi> but for vista it's more tricky.
[10:27] <Kerio> aha, i see :)
[10:27] <Kerio> is it because vista uses different bootloader?
[10:27] <Kerio> then xp
[10:27] <SiDi> They made it such a way it wont work, at Redmond :p gotta manually edit the menu.lst
[10:28] <SiDi> It uses a new bootloader for itself, but the issue is just that vista requires disks to be mapped in a particular way to accept booting
[10:28] <SiDi> you have to make him believe he's on HDD 0, or something like that (*doesn't really remember*)
[10:29] <Kerio> how strange
[10:29] <SiDi> Yeh :P
[10:29] <SiDi> Anyways i don't recommand installing vista ^_^
[10:29] <Kerio> i have tried vista and don't really see any benefits compared to xp
[10:29] <Kerio> regarding the ms os i think im gonna go right for win7 instead
[10:29] <Doctor_Vex> vista lol
[10:29] <SiDi> I saw my entire system broken due to lack of drivers (after SP1, with the nvidia drivers, still in 640x480)
[10:30] <SiDi> I saw the slowness, too.
[10:30] <Kerio> still need a winOS ti play teh games :P
[10:30] <SiDi> I'm done with windows, here :) no more proprietary OSes. I'll relay on XP and wine
[10:30] <Kerio> to*
[10:30] <Doctor_Vex> seriously. forget vista. its made of fail
[10:30] <Kerio> yeah? what games do you play through wine?
[10:30] <SiDi> None atm :D
[10:30] <Kerio> haha
[10:31] <Doctor_Vex> not like you could play games with wine xD
[10:31] <SiDi> i played The witcher, sup com, BG2, nwn, nwn2, diablo 2, war 3
[10:31] <SiDi> i'll play L2 as soon as i'll have a true internet connection
[10:31] <SiDi> and i also play et:qw natively
[10:31] <Kerio> how well does wine work? i have heard some negative stuff about ut
[10:31]  * SiDi waits for Wolfenstein 2009 Linux client !
[10:31] <Doctor_Vex> yay
[10:31] <SiDi> It works pretty fine, but most games require some tricks, because they need the latest directx / visual c++
[10:32] <SiDi> There are three kinds of apps
[10:32] <SiDi> those that dont launch due to required files/functions
[10:32] <SiDi> those that lag/have 1 or 2 missing features (majority)
[10:32] <SiDi> and those that work just fine
[10:32] <Kerio> aha
[10:32] <SiDi> Games are mostly in the second category :p
[10:32] <SiDi> Office apps mostly in the third
[10:32] <Kerio> got any experience with cs through wine?
[10:32] <SiDi> I don't play any steam game
[10:33] <SiDi> I _hate_ steam
[10:33] <Kerio> i have no particular love for valve either
[10:33] <SiDi> I've been really really pissed of paying for HL2 silver
[10:33] <Kerio> but i must admit i enjoy playin cs1.6 :p
[10:33] <SiDi> I had a 30 char account
[10:33] <SiDi> it got somehow hacked
[10:33] <Kerio> really? how odd
[10:34] <SiDi> i sent them the bill + a copy of my identity card, asked for my account, never got even an answer
[10:34] <Kerio> any idea how it happend?
[10:34] <SiDi> The day their platform will be safe and their support will answer i'll consider giving them money again
[10:34] <SiDi> obviously no. I wasnt using my account online
[10:34] <SiDi> One day i wanted to log and play HL2, wrong password. Asked a password reminder, never went to my mailbox
[10:34] <SiDi> not hard to understand :>
[10:34] <Kerio> valve is always gonna be about hte profit
[10:35] <Kerio> sometimes customer service and profit do not go hand in hand unfortuneatley
[10:35] <SiDi> Anyways i buy only native linux games without securom now :D
[10:35] <Kerio> (excuse my spelling)
[10:35] <SiDi> For the other games, i just steal my father/brother's games and ps3
[10:35] <SiDi> (your spelling is ok ;p)
[10:35] <Kerio> securerom is the weird copyright that mess upp the dvd-drive, yes?
[10:36] <SiDi> Its the CD protection that prevents you to play almost every time, yes.
[10:36] <Kerio> i have heard that it mess up the dvd drive to the extent that you cannot even burn discs at high speeds
[10:37] <Kerio> anymore
[10:38] <Kerio> sidi have you tried the x-ubuntu 9.04 yet?
[10:39] <SiDi> I'm under it :)
[10:39] <Kerio> nice!
[10:39] <SiDi> Its the only OS on my PC ^^
[10:39]  * SiDi admits he also has OpenSolaris and Ubuntu server for testing purposes :|
[10:39] <Kerio> how does it work? is it buggy?
[10:39] <Kerio> hehe, ok
[10:39] <SiDi> It works fine of course.
[10:39] <Kerio> do you use the new ext4?
[10:39] <SiDi> No
[10:39] <SiDi> my system partition was already in ext3
[10:40] <Kerio> ah ok
[10:40] <SiDi> couldn't bother to reinstall, so i just upgraded
[10:40] <Kerio> ah i see
[10:40] <SiDi> but i tested jaunty under ext4
[10:40] <SiDi> even faster :)
[10:40] <Kerio> had 8 version befoce?
[10:40] <Kerio> ah, cool
[10:40] <Kerio> im not quite sure if ium gonna go for ext4 or ext3
[10:40] <SiDi> (but be careful, if you use ext4 and then if you install, lets say mandriva, their grub wont be able to boot the ext4 partition, so install jaunty in latest so you'll have a grub that can boot ext4)
[10:40] <SiDi> go for ext3
[10:41] <SiDi> compared to windows it'll already be fast enough ;)
[10:41] <Kerio> prolly should wait til installing it on ext4 or what do you think?
[10:41] <Kerio> hehe ok
[10:41] <SiDi> and if theres a bug that wasnt found in ext4, you wont have it
[10:41] <Kerio> true
[10:43] <Kerio> sidi do you use propriatary drivers for graphics card?
[10:44] <SiDi> Yeh
[10:44] <SiDi> Nvidia cards :) on all the PCs
[10:45] <Kerio> ah allright, i have a counter strike server (ubuntu 8) with custom kernel. Tried the propratary drivers there but got into problems
[10:45] <Kerio> probably cause of the custom kernel
[10:45] <SiDi> Yeh :P
[10:45] <Kerio> but vesa driver work satisfactory for server use still
[10:46] <SiDi> If its a server, drop X :)
[10:46] <SiDi> more performances then
[10:46] <Kerio> hehe, im not that good yet :)
[10:46] <SiDi> Well, if you dont wanna bother with the setup in console mode
[10:47] <SiDi> just now that it works, launch the server from the shell, and shutdown gdm
[10:47] <SiDi> and you wont have Xorg + gdm + gnome stuff running in background when your server runs
[10:47] <Kerio> problem is that if i run the server from through ssh it will only be up as long as i have that session running
[10:48] <Kerio> if i disconnect the server stops
[10:50] <mylisto> hey all
[10:52] <Kerio> gonna install now! catch u later
[10:55] <mylisto> I'm trying to do a livecd of xubuntu on an older laptop...I'm getting a 'Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 0'
[10:55] <mylisto> how can I disable the floppy drive?  I don't have a floppy drive in the laptop that I am testing xubuntu on
[10:57] <SiDi> hm
[10:58]  * SiDi searches
[10:59] <SiDi> mylisto: go to your BIOS
[11:00] <mylisto> sidi: tried that...
[11:00] <mylisto> I finally got passed it by using
[11:00] <mylisto> all_generic_ide floppy=off irqpoll
[11:00] <mylisto> at boot..
[11:00] <mylisto> now I am getting some squashfs errors
[11:02] <SiDi> you should have an option there to disable the floppy drive
[11:03] <SiDi> its between your kernel and your motherboard. I think you should try #ubuntu, there'll be more people who can help than here
[11:14] <pep> Hi
[11:20] <SiDi> hi
[11:35] <pep> I just installed Xubuntu and I am very impressed :)
[11:35] <pep> I don't like totem very much though, so I removed it and wanted to install vlc
[11:37] <pep> but here I see it installs 40 packages, 82.8MB... which makes me doubt... will my system performances be effected after having installed vlc or is it just a matter of disk usage? (ie. will there be additional background processes?)
[11:38] <pep> affected*
[11:38] <SiDi> hm its disk usagz ;)
[11:38] <SiDi> vlc is a Qt app so it requires some Qt dependencies
[11:39] <pep> Ok, I understand.
[11:39] <pep> Also, I heard it is preferable to install vlc-plugin-pulse
[11:40] <SiDi> No
[11:40] <SiDi> No pulse for xubuntu :)
[11:40] <SiDi> We use ALSA
[11:40] <pep> ah great
[11:40] <pep> that's what I wanted to hear :)
[11:40] <SiDi> :d
[11:40] <pep> I uninstalled pulse in hardy
[11:40] <pep> (on gnome)
[11:40] <pep> thanks for your help
[11:41] <kerio> hello!
[11:42] <kerio> im on 9.04 ubuntu now
[11:45] <pep> congratulations and welcome aboard kerio :)
[11:45] <kerio> thx :)
[11:46] <kerio> im having some problems connecting my ntfs partions
[11:46] <kerio> i can see them through gigolo
[11:46] <kerio> but i cant open them
[11:46] <kromar1> is there any prog to emulate cds like deamon tools?
[11:46] <pep> kromar, you can mount an iso with a -loop option.. let me fetch the command...
[11:46] <kerio> G_IO_error _FAILED_HANDLED_INTHEUI
[11:47] <kromar1> you might wanna run a chkdsk /f under windows and reboot 2 times and see if that fixes the problem
[11:47] <kerio> kromar1 talking to me? :)
[11:48] <kromar1> kerio: yes, that fixed the problem for me
[11:48] <pep> actually kromar1 you can use an app called gmount-iso or use the command line to mount the iso in a folder
[11:48] <pep> sudo mount -o your.iso /cdrom
[11:49] <kerio> ok thx, gonna google on it and then give it a try
[11:49] <pep> np
[11:50] <SiDi> -t iso9660 -o loop actually
[11:50] <pep> sudo mount -o loop your.iso /cdrom
[11:50] <pep> hehe
[11:50] <pep> I just saw it
[11:50] <pep> oh ok
[11:50] <SiDi> ;)
[11:50] <pep> yes, I remember that -t option too now :)
[11:50] <SiDi> if it doesnt mount it means your file isnt a real iso
[11:50] <SiDi> but a mdf or some crappy format like that
[11:51] <pep> yes, I remember mounting a hfsplus iso once
[11:51] <pep> -t hfsplus
[11:51] <pep> gave me a headache that one
[11:52] <SiDi> those formats should be banned :D
[11:54] <Kerio> hey again
[11:54] <Kerio> weird thing
[11:54] <Kerio> grub have an entry for the xp os
[11:55] <Kerio> but cant boot from it
[11:55] <Kerio> i think it is because i have 2 boot sectors
[11:55] <Kerio> maybe it "guessed" wrong
[11:55] <Kerio> i had to change the boot priority to another disk
[11:55] <Kerio> then the windows bootmgr started
[11:55] <Kerio> and then i could boot successfully
[11:56] <Kerio> if i have a bootsector written on one disk
[11:56] <Kerio> then write another on a different disk
[11:56] <Kerio> will grub then assume the the xp os is on the wrong disk pherphaps?
[11:56] <Kerio> any suggestions?
[12:58] <satansaunt> how do i get xubuntu to recognise the volume buttons on my laptop from startup?
[12:59] <pep> satansaunt, I am working on the same problem for my thinkpad r61
[12:59] <pep> just found this http://www.nowhere.dk/articles/lenovo_thinkpad_t61_xfce_and_volume_keys
[13:00] <pep> I guess it will work for other laptops too
[13:00] <pep> might need some figuring out for the signals though
[13:00] <satansaunt> i'm using a t61
[13:00] <satansaunt> hopefully this should work
[13:04] <SiDi> satansaunt: go to the keyboard shortcut window
[13:04] <SiDi> and add a shortcut for, lets say, your key "Volume up"
[13:04] <SiDi> and as a command, put "aumix -v +10"
[13:04] <SiDi> and tell me if it works, please
[13:04] <pep> amixer sset Master 5%+
[13:04] <pep> and amixer sset Master 5%-
[13:04] <pep> for mute: amixer sset Master toggle
[13:05] <pep> this works
[13:05] <SiDi> pep: thanks yours are better :)
[13:05] <pep> in settings - keyboard - application shortcuts
[13:06] <satansaunt> i can't tell whether or not it works, i'll find out when i reboot
[13:06] <satansaunt> thanks for your help guys
[13:06] <pep> actually it works straight away
[13:06] <SiDi> no need to reboot satansaunt
[13:06] <pep> as soon as you close the keyboard shortcut window
[13:08] <pep> amusing that I was just trying to get this working at the same time...
[13:08] <pep> if you have a thinkpad you might be interested by a way of activating middle click scrolling with the trackpoint
[13:09] <pep> http://psung.blogspot.com/2008/09/scrolling-with-thinkpads-trackpoint-in.html I just did this
[13:09] <pep> going to reboot
[13:09] <pep> I guess restarting hal or gdm would work actually
[13:11] <satansaunt> i wouldn't be able to tel whether or not it works straight away at the mo- i'd already solved the problem, for this session
[13:11] <satansaunt> but the next time i reboot that's when i'll find out whether or not it has saved the settings or not
[13:14] <pep> hey
[13:14] <pep> I can confirm the tutorial for vertical and horizontal scrolling works
[13:14] <pep> I had to reboot though, gdm didn't want to restart properly
[13:23] <satansaunt> i'm having a blonde moment over here...
[13:23] <satansaunt> i need to edit some info irssi
[13:23] <satansaunt> but i can't remember where
[13:23] <satansaunt> haven't used it for a while
[13:25] <pep> maybe /.irssi/config ?
[13:25] <satansaunt> lol at me
[13:28] <pep> I just realized thunar does not handle ftp
[13:28] <pep> I was quite used to nautilus for that, will have to look for an ftp client
[14:42] <ali_> hi
[14:42] <ali_> any one there?
[14:43] <SiDi> no
[14:43] <SiDi> we're all sleepng
[14:43] <ali_> lol
[14:43] <SiDi> What's up ?
[14:44] <ali_> i've got a question
[14:44] <ali_> hi. I'm trying to get the sound working. I've increased all the volumes to max. The sound works on my head phones but not on my laptop speakers.
[14:44] <SiDi> Okay :) first, are you using only xubuntu or  also kubuntu/ubuntu ?
[14:44] <SiDi> What does "ps aux | grep pulse" return, please ?
[14:44] <SiDi> And also, what laptop model do you have ?
[14:44] <ali_> only Xubuntu
[14:45] <SiDi> I also  might need the output of : cat /proc/asound/card0/codec\#* | grep Codec
[14:45] <SiDi> and lspci | grep -i audio
[14:45] <ali_> ali       5162  0.0  0.1   3340   804 pts/1    S+   14:45   0:00 grep pulse
[14:46] <SiDi> and, i also need to know if you're under Jaunty or Intrepid/Hardy :)
[14:46] <ali_> sony vaio B1VP (its 4 years old)
[14:46] <ali_> jaunty
[14:47] <SiDi> I need the output of : "cat /proc/asound/card0/codec\#* | grep Codec" and "lspci | grep -i audio" (copy paste them in a terminal, and please put the output at paste.ubuntu.com)
[14:50] <ali_>  cat /proc/asound/card0/codec\#* | grep Codec: no such file or directory
[14:50] <ali_> i'll copy and paste this time
[14:50] <SiDi> oh, surprising
[14:50] <ali_> still same
[14:50] <SiDi> ok, do the other command then
[14:51] <ali_> ok
[14:51] <SiDi> maybe it'll be enough to find what audio chipset you have
[14:51] <SiDi> (there are ~6 different chipsets for vaio laptops, and they require different alsa settings, we're trying to find the most appropriate one)
[14:51] <ali_> 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
[14:52] <ali_> ok. thanks
[14:52] <SiDi> now there are 7 :d
[14:53] <ali_> why do I have paste in paste.ubuntu.com?
[14:53] <SiDi> ok, do ls /proc/asound/
[14:53] <SiDi> and if you have something named card0 appearing
[14:53] <SiDi> do ls /proc/asound/card0
[14:54] <ali_> I get the following o/p:codec97#0  id  intel8x0  oss_mixer  pcm0c  pcm0p  pcm1c  pcm2c  pcm3c  pcm4p
[14:55] <SiDi> ok then, cat /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0
[14:56] <ali_> cat: /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0: Is a directory
[14:56] <SiDi> use ls instead of  cat then please
[14:56] <SiDi> and then tell me which files are inside
[14:57] <ali_> ac97#0-0  ac97#0-0+regs
[14:58] <SiDi> alright, you'll cat this ac97 file
[14:58] <SiDi> the info we need should be there
[15:00] <ali_> how do I cat the file?
[15:00] <SiDi> cat /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0/ac97#0-0
[15:00] <SiDi> you can press the 'Tab' key for autocompletion by the way. Just type one or two letters, then tab
[15:01] <ali_> thanks
[15:01] <ali_> ali@ali-laptop:~$ cat /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0/ac97#0-0
[15:01] <ali_> 0-0/0: Analog Devices AD1981B
[15:01] <ali_> PCI Subsys Vendor: 0x104d
[15:01] <ali_> PCI Subsys Device: 0x81c5
[15:01] <ali_> Capabilities     : -headphone out-
[15:01] <ali_> DAC resolution   : 20-bit
[15:01] <ali_> ADC resolution   : 16-bit
[15:01] <ali_> 3D enhancement   : No 3D Stereo Enhancement
[15:01] <ali_> Current setup
[15:01] <SiDi> Dont write it all here
[15:01] <ali_> Mic gain         : +20dB [+20dB]
[15:01] <ali_> POP path         : pre 3D
[15:01] <ali_> Sim. stereo      : off
[15:01] <SiDi> the bot will kick you for flooding :P
[15:02] <ali_> 3D enhancement   : off
[15:02] <ali_> Loudness         : off
[15:02] <ali_> Mono output      : MIX
[15:02] <ali_> Mic select       : Mic1
[15:02] <ali_> ADC/DAC loopback : off
[15:02] <ali_> Extended ID      : codec=0 rev=1 AMAP DSA=0 VRA
[15:02] <ali_> Extended status  : VRA
[15:02] <ali_> PCM front DAC    : 48000Hz
[15:02] <ali_> PCM ADC          : 48000Hz
[15:02] <ali_> oh,ok
[15:02] <ali_> where do I write it?
[15:02] <SiDi> http://paste.ubuntu.com
[15:02] <ali_> and I put my name as the poster?
[15:03] <SiDi> Yeh
[15:03] <SiDi> it will give you a link once you pasted it, just post this link here
[15:03] <SiDi> so i can read your paste
[15:03] <ali_> ok I'll do it again
[15:04] <SiDi> the command "cat /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0/ac97#0-0 >> log.txt" will put all the output in a file named log.txt, that you can then open with a text editor ~ incase you find it more convenient
[15:04] <ali_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/162256/
[15:05] <SiDi> Alright, we're now going to solve the problem: )
[15:05] <SiDi> please type "gksudo mousepad /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf"
[15:06] <ali_> where does it store the file?
[15:06] <SiDi> in your home directory
[15:07] <SiDi> (when you open a terminal, it is opened in your home directory. you can use "cd" (change directory) in order to move to other folders. cd ~ = go to home folder / cd .. = go to parent folder / cd ./ = go to current folder (not very useful :p) / cd / = go to the system's root folder)
[15:07] <SiDi> (but thats offtopic)
[15:08] <ali_> ok.
[15:08] <ali_> i pasted it here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/162259/
[15:08] <SiDi> actually we're going to add something at the end ;)
[15:09] <SiDi> We'll tell ALSA (the sound system) to use a specific audio card model, and then your sound should work much better
[15:09] <SiDi> Here is the line you'll add : 	 options snd-hda-intel model=laptop-eapd
[15:10] <SiDi> once it's down, you'll have to reboot your computer in order to check if it works
[15:10] <ali_> I'll paste it right at the end of the file. ok
[15:11] <SiDi> (if it doesnt, come back and we'll try another model. i'm not sure which model your laptop uses as it is quite old)
[15:13] <ali_> ok. thanks. I'm restarting
[15:16] <ali_> hi. I'm back.
[15:16] <ali_> just going to check if the sound works
[15:17] <SiDi> Alright :)
[15:20] <ali_> no. the head phones work but not the speakers. I tested sound by playing a youtube video. is there another way I should try?
[15:20] <SiDi> hm
[15:20] <SiDi> we're gonna try another model if you dont mind :)
[15:21] <ali_> ok
[15:21] <SiDi> 	 options snd-hda-intel model=vaio
[15:21] <SiDi> try this one
[15:22] <ali_> what was the command to open the file?
[15:22] <SiDi> "gksudo mousepad /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf"
[15:22] <ali_> ok
[15:23] <ali_> ok done that
[15:24] <SiDi> Alright
[15:24] <ali_> I'll restart again
[15:24] <SiDi> you have to reboot again then :/
[15:28] <ali_> i'm back. still no sound. I want to check that the volumes are all on max but I can't see that icon on the top right hand corner
[15:28] <SiDi> run xfce4-mixer for that
[15:30] <SiDi> Here is a list of other possible models : options snd-hda-intel model=vaio position_fix=0                    //        	 options snd-hda-intel model=sony-assamd          //     	 options snd-hda-intel model=sony-ar        // and finally :      	 options snd-hda-intel model=vaio-ar
[15:30] <ali_> nah. they are all at max
[15:30] <SiDi> If none of these work, I suggest you post a message on ubuntuforums.com so that someone who has the same computer can help you
[15:30] <ali_> ok I'll try them
[15:31] <SiDi> in xfce4-mixer, press the "controls" button
[15:31] <SiDi> and ensure everything is checked in the prefs window
[15:31] <ali_> everything is checked
[15:33] <ali_> thanks for your help
[15:34] <SiDi> You're welcome
[15:34] <ali_> I've got sound working on an older version of ubuntu 2 years ago. I'm just trying linux again
[15:34] <SiDi> I hope you'll find a solution
[15:34] <SiDi> hm
[15:35] <SiDi> then there _is_ a solution :p
[15:35] <SiDi> if it was working two years ago, its possible to use what we call "backports"
[15:35] <SiDi> err no
[15:35] <SiDi> im saying crap
[15:35] <ali_> lol, ok
[15:35] <SiDi> thats for new stuff on old systems, not old stuff on new systems xD
[15:35] <SiDi> well, there should be a way to get the old drivers on your new system
[15:36] <SiDi> You should post on ubuntuforums and give accurate information there
[15:36] <SiDi> maybe someone with an old laptop will be able to guide you
[15:36] <ali_> what info (apart from laptop version) should I give?
[15:36] <SiDi> Those few commands i asked you
[15:36] <ali_> ok
[15:37] <SiDi> cat /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0/ac97#0-0
[15:37] <SiDi> and also cat /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[15:37] <SiDi> and lspci | grep -i audio
[15:37] <SiDi>  + your laptop's model, and the name (or version number) of the linux version in which it was still working
[15:43] <Pres-Gas> Can I just say, we are soooo much more helpful than the fedora channels.  Let's pat ourselves on the back.
[15:44]  * charlie-tca gives Pres-Gas a hug
[15:45] <SiDi> Heh
[15:45] <Pres-Gas> Seriously...
[15:46] <Pres-Gas> I think the regular fedora channel is okay, but the multitude of other channels...whew
[15:46] <SiDi> Well, i can't stand not trying to help someone who's in need (unless he's trying to run css under wine or to install skype T_T)
[15:46] <Pres-Gas> LOL
[15:46] <Pres-Gas> I hear that SiDi
[15:46] <SiDi> I'm following wine's questions on launchpad, and i'm also on winehq
[15:46] <SiDi> i _do_ hate steam even more now
[16:24] <ruadh> H all
[16:25] <SiDi> hi
[16:53] <waan> I've just installed mythtv but when I run mythtv-setup I just get a blank box. I searched google but can't find anybody else with the same problem
[16:54] <SiDi>  #mythtv ;)
[16:54] <SiDi> or mythbuntu
[16:54] <SiDi> can't remember :/
[16:56] <waan> thanks i'll take a look
[17:00] <Doctor_Vex> someone tell me good media player for Ubuntu
[17:00] <Doctor_Vex> like MPC for Widows
[17:00] <Doctor_Vex> Windows
[17:01] <charlie-tca> Listen for Xubuntu
[17:01] <charlie-tca> !mediaplayer
[17:01] <TheSheep> there is mpd/mpc for linux...
[17:01] <TheSheep> but probably not hwat you have in mind
[17:02] <Doctor_Vex> hm?
[17:02] <TheSheep> music player daemon/cleint
[17:02] <TheSheep> client
[17:03] <SiDi> Exaile :D
[17:03] <TheSheep> but if you mean movie player, default totem is pretty good, if you want more use vlc or mplayer
[17:03] <Doctor_Vex> yeah. i know those
[17:04] <Doctor_Vex> but no MPC for Ubuntu
[17:04] <TheSheep> fortunately
[17:04] <TheSheep> thank you, Microsoft, that you don't write software for linux
[17:04] <Doctor_Vex> nope
[17:04] <charlie-tca> +1 TheSheep
[17:05] <Doctor_Vex> MPC is GNU
[17:05] <Doctor_Vex> not Microsoft
[17:05] <Doctor_Vex> oh GPL
[17:05] <charlie-tca> Then there should be a Linux version also
[17:05] <TheSheep> you mean GNU as in GNU is Not Unix operating system?
[17:06] <TheSheep> Doctor_Vex: who said Microsoft can't wrtie GPL apps?
[17:07] <Doctor_Vex> because i say so
[17:07] <Doctor_Vex> http://mpc-hc.sourceforge.net/
[17:07] <Doctor_Vex> but the more important thing is
[17:07] <Doctor_Vex> that not all freeware is made for linux
[17:08] <Doctor_Vex> have to test VLC and MPlayer later again
[17:09] <TheSheep> personally I think it's more important to remember that gpl and freeware are two different things
[17:10] <TheSheep> Doctor_Vex: there is also gxine
[17:10] <Doctor_Vex> lol. im not going to begin a discussion about why a free software license is not freeware
[17:11] <TheSheep> me neither
[17:11] <TheSheep> there are also hundreds of smaller projects that use gstreamer/xine or mplayer as backends
[17:11] <TheSheep> they mostly differ in interface
[17:11] <Doctor_Vex> i just want a small player
[17:12] <TheSheep> what's wrong with totem?
[17:12] <Doctor_Vex> not 1000 things that i will never use
[17:13] <Doctor_Vex> i remember i had problems with subtitles
[17:13] <slow-motion> hi
[17:13] <Doctor_Vex> have to test a few things later
[17:18] <Doctor_Vex> well will take more time till more and more ppl use linux not only for work or internet, but also for videos and entertainment~
[17:25] <J_Litewski> how would you make a window?
[17:25] <J_Litewski> I got an idea, and i want to start making a program
[17:27] <SiDi> J_Litewski: a window ?
[17:27]  * SiDi never makes GUIs :P
[17:28] <J_Litewski> heh
[17:28] <J_Litewski> is python a good way to start? or gtk+?
[17:28] <charlie-tca> I'd ask JPohlman when he is around. He develops for Xfce
[17:29] <J_Litewski> ah
[17:29] <charlie-tca> and he is xubuntu laison with Xfce
[17:29] <SiDi> J_Litewski: PyGTK
[17:29] <SiDi> you can create glade GUIs, then import them in python
[17:29] <SiDi> and then code the events on your GUI
[17:30] <J_Litewski> ah, cool
[17:30] <SiDi> !pytgtk
[17:30] <SiDi> !pygtk
[17:30] <SiDi> !glade
[17:30] <SiDi> Oh
[17:30] <SiDi> !kitten
[17:30] <charlie-tca> !info pygtk
[17:30] <charlie-tca> !info pytgtk
[17:30] <SiDi> !mouse
[17:30] <charlie-tca> !info glade
[17:30] <SiDi> take glade from the web
[17:30] <SiDi> They have glade 3 :P
[17:31] <J_Litewski> i got python-glade2 (2.14.1-1ubuntu1)
[17:38] <trece8> hi... a quick question: How do I edit the menu? Using the menu editor only shows the settings manager, help, about and quit
[17:38] <SiDi> Unfortunately, there is no menu editor yet
[17:39] <trece8> I mean, by text, by any means
[17:39] <SiDi> you can edit the menu entries by copying them from /usr/share/applications to .local/share/applications/ and editing them with a text editor
[17:39] <charlie-tca> trece8: http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[17:39] <trece8> thanks charlie
[17:39] <SiDi> You can also change some of their settings with alacarte (icon/text) but not their location or wether they should show up or not, afair.
[17:39] <charlie-tca> SiDi: He is in 8.10 or earlier
[17:39] <SiDi> charlie-tca: oh
[17:39] <SiDi> Sorry =P
[17:39] <trece8> i'm in 8.04
[17:40] <SiDi> charlie-tca: how can you see that ?  He said "Using the menu editor"
[17:41] <charlie-tca> I have used it before. You don't really get to edit the existing menu with it, just add to it
[17:43] <SiDi> hi Ratty
[17:43] <SiDi> Rafik *
[17:44] <trece8> charlie, thanks for the linki
[17:44] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[17:44] <trece8> but it's long and won't read it
[17:44] <charlie-tca> I hope it helps
[17:44] <trece8> it's the twitter generation, man :P
[17:44] <trece8> i only wanted to know where is the thunderbird icon
[17:44] <charlie-tca> Still need info to know how to do things, though. 140 words is not enough to explain without screwing menus up.
[17:45] <SiDi> trece8: lol... "locate thunderbird.png" ? :)
[17:45] <trece8> sidi, i'll try it
[17:45] <trece8> i supposed it would be easier to see the menu and just see the thunderbird entry
[17:45] <charlie-tca> Well, why didn't you say so. look in /usr/share/applications/thunderbird . It will tell you what icon is used, normally
[17:45] <SiDi>  /usr/share/pixmaps/thunderbird.png trece8
[17:46] <trece8> yeah, got that with catfish
[17:48] <trece8> good
[17:48] <trece8> charlie... i got into the "searching the menu" idea
[17:49] <charlie-tca> Yeah, all the menus are generated from /usr/share/applications files. Those are the .desktop files for the individual entries
[17:50] <trece8> thank
[17:50] <trece8> s
[17:50] <SiDi> icons are in /usr/share/icons/ and pixmaps anyways ;)
[17:50] <SiDi> pixmaps if png, icons if svg
[17:50] <SiDi> and in icons/foo/* if the icon theme foo has icons for these apps
[17:51] <trece8> there are just too many folders to know what's where
[17:52] <charlie-tca> agreed
[17:52] <trece8> and i don't have precisely an enciclopedic memory... so i'll forget this in 2 weeks tops
[17:52] <charlie-tca> I know three or four, then just search forever for anything else
[17:52] <trece8> one question
[17:52] <charlie-tca> sure
[17:53] <trece8> what do you think of the advantages of xubuntu 9.04 over 8.04?
[17:53] <trece8> i like the synaptic screenshots
[17:53] <trece8> but otherwise...
[17:53] <charlie-tca> 9.04 uses less resources, as far as memory
[17:53] <trece8> basically the same
[17:53] <trece8> the xfce part?
[17:54] <charlie-tca> yes, and the way everything is integrated.
[17:54] <SiDi> trece8: big xfce update :)
[17:54] <trece8> what is using more and more resources actually is firefox and thunderbird
[17:54] <SiDi> from 4.4 to 4.6
[17:54] <SiDi> also, more recent kernel / xorg, more recent applications
[17:54] <SiDi> (less stable though :D)
[17:54] <charlie-tca> I couldn't load 8.04 in 128MB ram to be usable, I can with 9.04
[17:54] <SiDi> trece8: firefox is a pain, yeh
[17:54] <SiDi> try midori or opera
[17:55] <trece8> i have a decent computer
[17:55] <charlie-tca> firefox in 9.04 is crazy, for some reason. I think it is the "improvements" made in it
[17:55] <trece8> but I don't like running this sower
[17:55] <trece8> Sidi... i use firefox because it has AdBlock and NoScript
[17:55] <trece8> to block ads and javascripts
[17:55] <trece8> i don't know if other browser can use that
[17:55] <charlie-tca> You could use epiphany-browser and still use those
[17:55] <trece8> gonna try
[17:56] <SiDi> charlie-tca: its 3.1
[17:56] <SiDi> its better than 3.0 by far :)
[17:56] <charlie-tca> Unless they moved from Gecko, now
[17:56] <trece8> anyway... i'm using ratpoison
[17:56] <trece8> so not very much xfce for me
[17:56] <SiDi> trece8: with opera + some good firewall rules you get the same
[17:56] <trece8> I don't think so, sidi
[17:56] <SiDi> you can
[17:56] <trece8> the adblock lists are great, they are made and updated by people
[17:56] <charlie-tca> but opera is not in the repositories, now
[17:56] <SiDi> i got a friend doing it, but with chrome
[17:57] <SiDi> check for TOR
[17:57] <trece8> *chrome sucks*
[17:57] <trece8> yes, but Tor is for anonimity
[17:57] <SiDi> I cant remember how he does but it can be done
[17:57] <trece8> i just don't want ads
[17:57] <trece8> and javascripts running like the google-analytics ones and such
[17:58] <trece8> it's not polite for people to run javascripts in your computer for no good reason for the viewer of the page
[17:59] <trece8> does midori work with javascript?
[17:59] <charlie-tca> I turn off javascripts. It works for most pages
[18:00] <charlie-tca> or I just don't browse much...
[18:00] <trece8> I use it for music and such
[18:01] <trece8> you can't listen to music without javascript a lot of times
[18:01] <SiDi> Can someone tell me what he thinks of a man page, please ? Wether it's readable or not
[18:01] <charlie-tca> From the user viewpoint? what is it?
[18:02] <SiDi> Yeh
[18:02] <SiDi> i'm uploading it atm
[18:02] <trece8> charlie... i mean, for the guy seeing the webpage, he doesn't get any better for running google-analytics scripts on his machine
[18:03] <trece8> i can read it, sidi, and give you the fast-reading-newbie opinion :P
[18:03] <SiDi> http://www.2nt.free.fr/host/tmp/reztorrent.1.gz :)
[18:03] <charlie-tca> I know. I dump them to <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:03] <SiDi> put it in /usr/share/man, and then type "man reztorrent" please
[18:03] <SiDi> It's a CLI bittorrent client
[18:07] <charlie-tca> SiDi: what dir should it go in? ?
[18:07] <trece8> didn't work
[18:07] <SiDi>  /usr/share/man
[18:07] <trece8> in /usr/share/man , yes
[18:07] <trece8> didn't work
[18:07] <SiDi>  /usr/share/man/man1 sorry
[18:07] <charlie-tca> Just dropping into /usr/share/man got a "No manual entry for reztorrent"
[18:08] <trece8> exactly
[18:08] <trece8> one question... where should I start to learn how to make GUI things?
[18:08] <trece8> I just want to make one GUI thing to avoid writing in the command line
[18:09] <trece8> with GTK or such, I think
[18:09] <satansaunt> how do i set the print screen to take a screen shot as it would under gnome?
[18:09] <trece8> if you have one probable link, it's good
[18:09] <SiDi> trece8: search for glade/pygtk tutorials
[18:09] <SiDi> i dont know much about GUIs so i cant be specific
[18:09] <trece8> it's ok, sidi
[18:10] <charlie-tca> Okay, got it opened
[18:10] <satansaunt> orly
[18:10] <trece8> satansaunt...
[18:10] <satansaunt> yah
[18:10] <trece8> go to system->add/remove
[18:10] <trece8> search for screenshot and download it
[18:10] <trece8> the application you want
[18:10] <satansaunt> merci
[18:11] <trece8> or you want the print screen button in the keyboard to do it?
[18:11] <satansaunt> yes, thats what i want
[18:11] <trece8> mmm i don't know about that
[18:11] <SiDi> satansaunt: xfce4-screenshooter -f for full -w for window
[18:11] <SiDi> and without options for a window with options
[18:11] <trece8> sidi... he wants the key to make it
[18:11] <trece8> not starting a program
[18:11] <SiDi> see above :)
[18:11] <trece8> that works?
[18:11] <SiDi> -f for full screenshot
[18:11] <SiDi> yeh
[18:11] <trece8> but ...
[18:12] <trece8> the keyboard key?
[18:12] <SiDi> name is 'Print'
[18:12] <charlie-tca> depends on the version of Xubuntu, jaunty you just need to hit the key or key combination you want.
[18:13] <SiDi> btw i also have a bash auto completion script here : www.2nt.free.fr/host/tmp/reztorrent_autocompletion.sh :P i'm proud of it :p
[18:13] <trece8> jaunty is in numbers?
[18:13] <trece8> 9.04
[18:13] <trece8> mmm... satan, install xubuntu 9.04 if you want the easy way, then
[18:14] <trece8> but if you can live by starting an application to make a screenshot, just download a program
[18:15] <trece8> sidi, just let me know when you learn how to fix the thing in the man page
[18:15] <SiDi> trece8: put it in /usr/share/man/man1/ ;p
[18:16] <charlie-tca> SiDi: options like -n --nat-pmp state Boot option. Should that be "Boot option also" or "Boot option only"?
[18:16] <SiDi> Boot only
[18:16] <SiDi> i'll add it charlie-tca thanks
[18:18] <J_Litewski> glade is complicated ;/
[18:18] <SiDi> apart from this, is it clear ?
[18:18] <SiDi> J_Litewski: no its not :P Qt is much harder imho
[18:18] <charlie-tca> It is clear. looks good
[18:18] <SiDi> thanks ! :)
[18:18] <SiDi> at least if the client fails the man doesnt XD
[18:19] <charlie-tca> sure. This is true.
[18:20] <charlie-tca> trece8away: You put it in /usr/share/man/man1 and make sure the permissions get set right; mine had to -rw -r- -r- so I could see it
[18:29] <btm05> hi, can someone help me to configure postgresql for xubuntu?
[18:29]  * SiDi hides.
[18:29] <SiDi> !postgresql | SiDi
[18:29] <btm05> oh :-( hope you're not hiding because of me?
[18:30] <SiDi> btm05: i confess i don't know anything about postgre :D using mySql :x
[18:30] <charlie-tca> !info postgresql
[18:30] <charlie-tca> Might have to ask in #postgresql or #ubuntu
[18:30] <SiDi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostgreSQL
[18:30] <btm05> wow- thanks for the response, I'll try !info, first...
[18:31] <SiDi> info is package information
[18:31]  * charlie-tca nods, or there, too
[18:31] <btm05> tried https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostgreSQL, but wasn't much help tbh.
[18:40] <Wunderbar> okay, so I wanna create an app shortcut to take screenshots
[18:40] <Wunderbar> whats the app name for the gnome app that takes screenshots??
[18:40] <charlie-tca> got one called screenshot. Just add it to the panel
[18:41] <SiDi> Wunderbar: hi to you too. 8.10 or 9.04 ?
[18:41] <charlie-tca> ( it is an Xfce app, though )
[18:41] <Wunderbar> 9.04
[18:41] <Wunderbar> well, I upgraded the other day
[18:41] <SiDi> There is one in Accessories - > Screenshot
[18:42] <Wunderbar> I realise that- but I want it so that when I hit print screen it takes a screenshot...
[18:42] <Wunderbar> as it does in gnome
[18:42] <SiDi> You mean a keyboard shortcut then.
[18:42] <SiDi> Go to XFCE Settings -> Keyboard -> Shortcuts
[18:42] <SiDi> create a shortcut with the Print key
[18:42] <charlie-tca> Then the keyboard shortcut is wrong for you
[18:42] <SiDi> the name of the command is "xfce4-screenshooter -f"
[18:43] <Wunderbar> thanks
[18:43] <Wunderbar> thats what I was after- I hope
[18:43] <charlie-tca> I thought it was already defined in 9.04
[18:44] <Wunderbar> thats what I thought
[18:44] <Wunderbar> but there were a few things that were missing when I upgraded
[18:44] <charlie-tca> Oh, yes, upgrades are different
[18:44] <Wunderbar> like the volume button on my thinkpad
[18:45] <charlie-tca> Fresh install defines it, upgrade leaves shortcuts alone so as not to override any you set yourself
[18:45] <Wunderbar> :(
[18:46] <Wunderbar> okay, so what would be the command if I wanted to take a screenshot of a particular window SiDi?
[18:47] <SiDi> -w instead of -f
[18:47] <Wunderbar> thanks
[18:56] <trece8away> do you more-technical-people upgrade or just reinstall?
[18:57] <Wunderbar> it sounds like it's better to reinstall
[18:58] <trece8away> it does but... i wonder what are the advantages and disavdvantages
[18:59] <trece8> of upgrading vs reinstalling... with upgrading you get longer working OSs
[18:59] <trece8> with reinstalling, you have to start from scratch
[18:59] <trece8> so it's not a cool thing if you customize things
[19:00] <Wunderbar> that's why I opted for the upgrade
[19:01] <charlie-tca> I do both. I have a machine I have upgraded since 6.06, and one I install fresh every 6 months
[19:01] <Wunderbar> ubuntu gradually became my day to day os- so it's been customised
[19:01] <Wunderbar> then I switched to xubuntu and carried a lot of settings over
[19:01] <trece8> I have to customize it
[19:01] <trece8> i use rt kernels
[19:01] <Wunderbar> then, the upgrade
[19:02] <trece8> and my screen doesn't work right from scratch... so I don't want to deal with it every time.
[19:08] <jakemonO> cant enable audio w/xubuntu 9.04 on virtualbox vm (vista64 host)
[19:09] <charlie-tca> right-click the panel, left-click add to pane, add the mixer
[19:09] <charlie-tca> Then double-click it and add a master control
[19:09] <jakemonO> did that, still grayed out & no sound
[19:09] <jakemonO> hmm
[19:10] <charlie-tca> What is still grayed out?
[19:10] <charlie-tca> I did have to add PCM on one, to get sound
[19:10] <charlie-tca> Did you enable Audio at the VBox interface?
[19:11] <trece8> Tried to upgrade from 8.04 to 9.04 ... the update manager tells me "8.10 is available" but not 9.04
[19:11] <trece8> do I have to do 2 upgrades to get there?
[19:11] <charlie-tca> trece8: you have to upgrade inb sequence
[19:12] <charlie-tca> You can not skip a version
[19:12] <jakemonO> yeah, directsound
[19:12] <charlie-tca> hmmm, mine just goes right through, but it is Xubuntu in a Xubuntu machine
[19:13] <trece8> ouch
[19:13] <charlie-tca> maybe ask in #vbox
[19:13] <trece8> xubuntu in a xubuntu machine? ( ??)
[19:13] <trece8> oh, the vmware thing, nevermind
[19:13] <charlie-tca> Yes, I run Xubuntu, with 10 virtual machines in VBox
[19:14] <trece8> 10? Too few :P
[19:14] <charlie-tca> That way I can test, work, and have each version at the same time
[19:14] <ollie_> Does anyone know what the overruns column on ifconfig means?
[19:14] <charlie-tca> did you look in man ifconfig?
[19:14] <trece8> I know what an overrun is but... not really
[19:14] <ollie_> yes
[19:14] <ollie_> can't see anything revelant
[19:14] <charlie-tca> weird
[19:15] <trece8> nothing but a typo :P
[19:15] <charlie-tca> Isn't that when more needs to be sent than can be put in the cache ? You know, like a 24kbs modem?
[19:16] <trece8> ollie... take a look at this http://www.usenet-forums.com/linux-networking/61952-ifconfig-overruns-3com.html
[19:16] <trece8> i read it not in detail at all, but... it could help
[19:17] <trece8> but i'm sure it's packets the ethernet card tried to get out but couldn't or such
[19:17] <ollie_> I'm guessing that 18132296 overruns isn't a good thing then
[19:17] <ollie_> -.-
[19:17] <charlie-tca> Doesn't seem like it, huh?
[19:19] <trece8> an overrun is when you try to get data to a point but can't
[19:19] <trece8> like "buffer overruns" is when you try to write data into a buffer that hasn't been read yet
[19:20] <trece8> anyway, ollie
[19:20] <trece8> http://www.faqs.org/docs/linux_network/x-087-2-iface.ifconfig.html
[19:20] <trece8> here you have
[19:20] <trece8> it should explain
[19:20] <trece8> The RX and TX lines show how many packets have been received or transmitted error free, how many errors occurred, how many packets were dropped (probably because of low memory), and how many were lost because of an overrun. Receiver overruns usually occur when packets come in faster than the kernel can service the last interrupt. The flag values printed by ifconfig roughly correspond to the names of its command-line options; they will be explained later.
[19:21] <trece8> ollie... at what ethernet speed are you connecting?
[19:21] <ollie_> 100mbit
[19:21] <trece8> 10Mbps, 100Mbps, 1Gbps, 10Gbps
[19:21] <trece8> 100 should work
[19:21] <trece8> is your machine reaaaaally low-end?
[19:21] <ollie_> nope
[19:21] <ollie_> quad core
[19:21] <ollie_> 4gb ram
[19:22] <jakemonO> of course, now it works like a champ...thanks!
[19:22] <trece8> so shouldn't be a problem
[19:22] <ollie_> it is though
[19:22] <ollie_> getting high PL
[19:22] <trece8> i don't know
[19:22] <charlie-tca> jakemonO: no problem
[19:22] <trece8> i assume it's a hardware problem
[19:22] <trece8> if you want to test that, install the RT kernel
[19:23] <trece8> in a second thought: DON'T install that
[19:23] <trece8> it shouldn't be an issue
[19:23] <ollie_> it's a production server
[19:24] <trece8> ?
[19:25] <jakemonO> are the transcripts for this room logged?
[19:25] <jakemonO> (research)
[19:25] <ollie_> jakemonO: probably by 60%+ of the people in here, yes
[19:25] <ollie_> ;p
[19:26] <trece8> jake, they are
[19:27] <trece8> didn't "Chanserv" told you?
[19:31] <charlie-tca> This channel is officially logged at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[19:31] <jakemonO> argh, thanks.
[19:38] <J_Litewski> i think i uninstalled something i needed...
[19:39] <J_Litewski> nevermind, sound still works
[19:39] <J_Litewski> pidgin was beeping at me there for a second
[19:45] <trece8> is there a way to upgrade by first downloading files
[19:45] <trece8> and then installing?
[19:45] <trece8> i mean... not download and install in the same step
[19:47] <charlie-tca> Yes, you can download the alternate cd and upgrade using it.
[19:48] <charlie-tca> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading#Upgrading%20Using%20the%20Alternate%20CD/DVD
[20:16] <J_Litewski> JPohlmann, you know python, correct?
[20:18] <JPohlmann> Sure
[20:26] <J_Litewski> JPohlmann, is there any good websites or books i can read to learn python?
[20:27] <charlie-tca> J_Litewski: There is "diveintopython" in the repositories, which is a free Python tutorial
[20:28] <J_Litewski> cool
[20:28] <J_Litewski> i'll get it
[20:28] <zoredache> J_Litewski: http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/, http://diveintopython.org/, http://www.openbookproject.net/pybiblio/
[20:32] <J_Litewski> where can i find the diveintopython thingy at?
[20:32] <charlie-tca> apt-get install diveintopython
[20:32] <J_Litewski> i did that
[20:32] <zoredache> !info diveintopython
[20:32] <charlie-tca> look in /usr/share/doc/diveintopython
[20:32] <J_Litewski> ah
[20:33] <zoredache> J_Litewski: you can use a command like dpkg -L diveintopython to see exactly what was installed where
[20:34] <J_Litewski> ah, didn't know that
[20:34] <J_Litewski> ty
[20:34] <J_Litewski> and typing file:///usr/share/doc/diveintopython/ will show the docs in firefox, correct?
[20:34] <charlie-tca> should
[20:37] <afze> this is most certainly a newbie question but...  how do i apply the patch for the rtl8187 driver usage with aircrack-ng?
[20:37] <afze> http://aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=rtl8187
[20:41] <vassalli> sera
[20:42] <vassalli> salve
[20:42] <vassalli> non riesco a far funzionare il microfono esterno
[20:42] <charlie-tca> English, please
[20:43] <vassalli> spiker
[20:43] <vassalli> xfce4 mixer
[20:43] <vassalli> no speker
[20:43] <vassalli> impostazioni
[20:43] <vassalli> ??
[20:43] <vassalli> non va
[20:43] <charlie-tca> What language?
[20:44] <charlie-tca> !it
[20:47] <charlie-tca> essi dovrebbero essere in grado di aiutarti. Ubuntu e Xubuntu dovrebbero essere simili
[20:47] <vassalli> ok
[20:58] <mateus> hi everyone! iv just installed xubuntu 9, but my video is screwed. I got an intel 82810. how do i manually reconfigure x?
[20:58] <forces> intel doesn't work in jaunty
[20:59] <forces> use LTS or unstable driver
[20:59] <forces> read release notes
[20:59] <mateus> oh crap... i got 8.10 here, does it works?
[20:59] <mateus> sorry, i didnt read them, just grabbed xubuntu o revive my old p2 300
[20:59] <mateus> but seems a little heavy.
[21:00] <forces> netinst + fluxbox
[21:00] <mateus> ill google, thanks
[21:00] <forces> ok
[21:00] <forces> good luck!
[21:01] <mateus> hm. better use debian, or search for ubuntu netinst?
[21:03] <tingle> minimal install whit *box install is nice on any *nix xd
[21:04] <forces> mateus, netinst for debian and ubuntu are similar
[21:04] <forces> use your favorite
[21:05] <tingle> i would sugest debian.. ubuntu is based on debian so get to the core :)
[21:06] <charlie-tca> debian and fedora have the same issues with intel
[21:10] <mateus> hm.. sad
[21:10] <mateus> outside of the debian - ubuntu world, is there a mininal distro that would help me use this cpter again? besides the screen resolution that is not 640x480, i can use irc, browse the web... burn cds
[21:11] <charlie-tca> 8.10 does work better than 9.04 on Intel
[21:11] <mateus> lesson to music, basic stuff, i wanna give it to a poor child
[21:11] <mateus> the pc is just parked here
[21:11] <mateus> ill try the ubuntu lts hardy 8.04 mininal, and fluxbox..
[21:11] <mateus> 12mb
[21:12] <mateus> but im open for suggestions. ill search for an cdrw
[21:12] <charlie-tca> 8.10 is worth trying if you have it.
[21:12] <charlie-tca> I had an emachines with i810 video that worked until Jaunty
[21:13] <mateus> hm
[21:13] <mateus> but, xubuntu or ubuntu 8.10? or the minimal, fluxbux stuff?
[21:13] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu 8.10
[21:14] <mateus> hm, thanks
[21:14] <charlie-tca> I don't even try to get Ubuntu to work on old hardware
[21:14] <mateus> that i got here already burned
[21:14] <mateus> aheuaheu
[21:14] <mateus> im concerned for debian to make some harder issues for the boy
[21:14] <mateus> ubuntu seems more friendly, communities and whatsoever
[21:15] <mateus> thanks
[21:15] <charlie-tca> It is easier, I think.
[21:15] <mateus> bye
[21:15] <charlie-tca> good luck
[21:24] <jakemonO> @charlie-tca what is pcm? my new xubuntu vm has no sound again
[21:25] <charlie-tca> PCM makes audio work, I don't know why. This machine has to be set to PCM or the volume control doesn't work at all
[21:26] <charlie-tca> Turn the volume up on the hardware control, too
[21:26] <charlie-tca> Not just in the VBox machine
[21:32] <jakemonO> hmm. it works but themixer icon in the panel is still grayed out
[21:32] <jakemonO> maybe a restart...
[21:33] <charlie-tca> It might just the main machine is going to control it, too
[21:34] <jakemonO> doesnt happen w/vanilla ubuntu
[21:34] <charlie-tca> They use pulseaudio, Xubuntu uses Alsa.
[21:36] <jakemonO> hmm...switching from intel to sigmatel makes a difference
[22:19] <djs> Does anyone know if there is a way to change the icon of a single folder on the desktop in Xubuntu?
[22:20] <djs> I thought there was some sort of emblems I could put on the folder, but it appears that is not the case.
[22:20] <charlie-tca> None that I know of, since the icons are taken from a set
[22:20] <djs> Ok, thank you. =]
[22:21] <charlie-tca> You can add an emblem
[22:21] <charlie-tca> Open thunar (places), Desktop
[22:21] <vinnl> Only within Thunar
[22:21] <vinnl> At least in 8.10, the emblem doesn't show up on my desktop
[22:21] <djs> Thats it thanks vinnl! I have to do it in thunar. Thanks.
[22:22] <djs> Thanks both of you. =]
[22:22] <vinnl> djs, it's charlie-tca's tip, I tested it at my PC but it didn't work :P
[22:22] <charlie-tca> Yep, you are right
[22:23] <djs> I'm using 9.04. I can add emblems using thunar. Thanks.
[22:23] <vinnl> Ah, cool :)
[22:23] <charlie-tca> It don't work in jaunty either, vinnl. You can't see the emblem on the desktop
[22:23] <vinnl> charlie-tca, did you do xfdesktop -reload?
[22:23] <charlie-tca> nooo
[22:25] <Darkflare> test
[22:25] <djs> I could even make my own emblems buy putting them in the emblems folder of my current icon theme couldn't I. =D I'm going to try that!
[22:25] <charlie-tca> test what, Darkflare
[22:25] <Darkflare> okie hi all, how can i access network shares from kubuntu, in ubuntu i just click on network
[22:26] <charlie-tca> If that is an automatic signon, please shut it off
[22:26] <Darkflare> charlie-tca was testing to make sure my nick was correct
[22:26] <charlie-tca> #kubuntu
[22:26] <Darkflare> ahhh
[22:26] <Darkflare> sorry i meant xubunutu
[22:26] <Darkflare> (its late)
[22:26] <vinnl> Darkflare, which version are you using?
[22:26] <Darkflare> the latest and greatest 9.04 i believe
[22:27] <vinnl> Then I believe you can use the Gigolo application, I don't know if it's installed by default
[22:27] <vinnl> !info gigolo
[22:27] <SiDi> It is ;)
[22:27] <vinnl> Ah, it is, or so I'm told ;-)
[22:27] <SiDi> Apps -> System -> Gigolo
[22:27] <Darkflare> got it
[22:27] <Darkflare> hmm, it only shows my hard drives though
[22:35] <Darkflare> why does gigolo say no workgroups found
[23:03] <pteague> is it necessary to log out & back in to see what the different appearances are supposed to look like?
[23:04] <SiDi> pteague: what do you mean ?
[23:04] <charlie-tca> I think so.
[23:04] <charlie-tca> As I recall, the colors were off and some images lost when I did not log out
[23:05] <pteague> menu -> settings -> appearance ...  i click on 1 on the style tab & nothing happens
[23:06] <pteague> i thought it was supposed to change as i clicked on them
[23:08] <charlie-tca> You realize, that is the window dressing?
[23:08] <SiDi> Its meant to
[23:08] <charlie-tca> Some are really close to each other, in color, so maybe try another one.
[23:09] <pteague> i know... that's my expected result...  weird thing is i have to log out, then back in to see a different 1... then i can change it once more, but after that there's no change
[23:10] <pteague> i know clearlooks has a different look than what i'm currently using (i.e. the logout button has a stick figure running), but clicking on it i'm getting nothing
[23:10] <pteague> i wonder if jaunty is affected by artifacts from hardy maybe?
[23:16] <charlie-tca> pteague: you upgraded hardy to intrepid to jaunty?
[23:17] <pteague> no, i did a complete install of jaunty, but my /home/ is a different hard drive
[23:18] <charlie-tca> and it is carried forward, right.
[23:18] <pteague> yeah, i didn't format /home...  lots of data on it
[23:19] <charlie-tca> I would probably recommend deleting ~/.config and ~/.cache, if you can stand reconfiguring things. It will wipe out panel customizations, menu customizations,
[23:19] <charlie-tca> maybe thunar changes, and some other stuff I don't know.
[23:20] <charlie-tca> It doesn't delete any data, but anything you customized reverts to default
[23:23] <pteague> i was looking at directories in ~/.config & ~/.local ... hadn't thought of ~/.cache so ty - i may just rename the xfce4*, sessions, & Thunar directories so i can run diff on them later in case i forget something ;)
[23:23] <pteague> i'm guessing i should probably do so after having logged on so corrupted session isn't saved
[23:24] <pteague> brb


 i would love 'real' firefox on UT... mostly because i use it on all my other devices so i wanna use the mozilla account sync/tab sync/bookmarkets etc. 😆
 @PiecerEdd [i would love 'real' firefox on UT... mostly because i use it on all my other dev …], Can you not import that stuff into Firefox in Libertine? Seems to me that also points to the need for more import tools in Morph, or perhaps some kind of utility conversion app forbookmarks, etc.
 fwiw firefox sync can be built into morph there's either a webkit or a chromium browser that did it, forgot which browser it was, @someone just needs to dive in and do it
 I think Falkon is qtwebengine, we can copy all its codes 😂
 yeah lets let kde handle qt maintainence for us 🤣🤣🤣
 let's upgrade qt and use kde apps 😄
 personally though, I'm not a fan of Kirigami
 ohw yeah kirigami, we have suru hmmm
 I like kirigami but it needs work
 I much prefer suru
 suru >> kirigami
 Are you cating that?
 yes :^3
 what's up with japanese names? 😄
 Nani?
 kugi is a valid japanese name for me rp
 [Edit] kugi is a valid japanese name for me :p
 ohw you mean suru and kirigami
 He means suru and kirigami :') … anyways, I'm off to bed for the night, so Oyasumi guys
 oyasumi o/
 that's `goodnight` in english
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 @TotalSonic any news on your volla, mine is stuck in customs I think, or waiting for a plane ;)
 @mateosalta [@TotalSonic any news on your volla, mine is stuck in customs I think, or waiting …], Mine has not yet arrived - I asked Volla and they said they had shipped on 11-7, but were not able to forward me a tracking number at that time. I need to check back with them this week for one.
 ah, probably in a similar situation
 mine is in status "Origin Post is Preparing Shipment"
 so in the handover, or flying here
 [Edit] so in the handover, or flying here i think
 could take a while if they are waiting on a passenger flight
 @mateosalta [@TotalSonic any news on your volla, mine is stuck in customs I think, or waiting …], you have all the UT devices? 😄
 most :)
 I'm getting parts to make a e5
 and I don't have the fairphone 2
 what is a e5
 i forgot the phase phrase for ui tweaks tool
 @arunkumar413 [i forgot the phase phrase for ui tweaks tool], should be your system password
 or pin you enter to unlock
 U mean the unlock n lock key?
 yep try that
 @electimon [what is a e5], bhttps://www.devicespecifications.com/en/model/741b30e5
 @electimon [what is a e5], [Edit] https://www.devicespecifications.com/en/model/741b30e5
 ohh
 I have a orginal e4.5 ubuntu edition :)
 nice
 I had the E5 Ubuntu Edition … I think it was the first brand new phone I ever bought and the most expensive so far 😄
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/g0M6mV9T.png
 just add 3 more pine phones to the pile
 you need help 😂
 if anyone lives in belgum, there is a fairphone 2 that is local pickup only on ebay
 looks new in box
 @mateosalta [<reply to media>], nice lol
 my collection is comprised of moto and samsung
 [Edit] my collection is comprised of moto, samsung and lg
 well, I have a bricked lg v20, a galaxy3 mini, a samsung note 8 i think(might be locked) - those were given by family once they got new ones
 thats cool
 mine come from various places
 don't think I can do anything with them, but I want to try the dex thing out sometime
 yeah its a nice concept
 @UniversalSuperBox [Run sudo -i], please what the -i means?   does it change to permanet admin mode or till restart admin?
 change to admin shell
[05:59] <jdmark> whats the tablet with the best hardware supported by ubports?
[07:07] <ubptgbot> ninadndesai was added by: ninadndesai
 Sony Xperia Z4 Tablet: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/karin/
 @mateosalta [@TotalSonic any news on your volla, mine is stuck in customs I think, or waiting …], They started arriving a couple of days ago. But still early
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/pro1/
 F(x)tec Pro1 is now available in UBports installer
 damn i love it but that price is way over my limit
 btw just moved my private redmi note 7 tree to the surface web
 it was only accessible with a internal vpn back then
 @delijati [damn i love it but that price is way over my limit], surely it's price is a bit too expensive.. :P
 @RealDanct12 [https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/pro1/], nice the third android 9 with installer
 yes
 @RealDanct12 [https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/pro1/], [Edit] nice the third android 9 device with installer
 redmi note 7 will soon though
 it's just that i have moved development tree to a new infra
 previously it was stored in a server from the internal network which requires vpn access because we feel like we do not want our works to be leaked
 i hope to see it released sometime in december, need to stop looking at the pinephone and pro1 :)
 so many new devices recently … fun!
[10:59] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Javacookies [so many new devices recently … fun!], 👍
 I also really like the progress in the installer
 I feel like it'll be the go to installer for alternative OSes on mobile
[12:45] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> Now all we need is the ABM dual-boot app, so that switching between OS as needed and without data loss becomes easy. 🤞
 @mateosalta [<reply to media>], haha did not expect to see her
 @RealDanct12 [https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/pro1/], is that the original pro1?
 @Fuseteam [is that the original pro1?], yes, but works on 1x too
 @Fuseteam [is that the original pro1?], Pro1/Pro1x are same hardware-wise except for RAM/storage variants
 @Fuseteam [is that the original pro1?], [Edit] Pro1/Pro1x are (supposed to be) same hardware-wise except for RAM/storage variants
 Cool that opens a lot of possibity for those who wanted to save for it
 @RealDanct12 [yes, but works on 1x too], Awesome
[13:34] <ubptgbot> addictte was added by: addictte
 @mateosalta [<reply to media>], Looks like you'd the perfect guy to test the installer xD
[14:45] <ubptgbot> R1kki7aav1 was added by: R1kki7aav1
 my Nexus 5 literally went from 100-20% then 20-100% while creating libertine container via seabass2....then clickable failed to run on the container 😭
 Guys im tring to install anbox but when i install anbox-tool it give me an error: halium_arm64 is not supported
 Well you should get an fp2 drains even faster, then you will not create the container
 There's a way to bypass this error
 When i typing anbox-tool status it give me: … KERNEL: OK … SYSTEM: NOT FOUND … ENABLED: NO … RUNNING: NO
[16:10] <ubptgbot> <Pete N.> @SaltyCybernaut [has anyone used Google FI as their ISP/carrier on Ubuntu Touch? were you able to …], Hey salty .. I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how to get my pixel 3axl to m
[16:11] <ubptgbot> <Pete N.> make calls
 @TotalSonic [<reply to media>], how slow is it?
 @Pete N. [Hey salty .. I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how to get my pixel 3ax …], Hey Pete N, This was my setup: … I had a sim card that was already activated on an Android phone and I used it with a Nexus 5. I did not have to do anything for calling to work.
[16:37] <ubptgbot> <Pete N.> oh lol ok.. i tried using an old verizon sim.. i just ordered a Fi sim..glad to see you have it working
 @joeth [how slow is it?], Lag close to a second i'd say
 @Fuseteam [haha did not expect to see her], lol
 Charles Wesley: … https://t.me/psoinchatAAAAAE4eUA6Oi9FucirCA
 @joeth [how slow is it?], Way slower than loading in Morph.
 @Pete N. [Hey salty .. I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how to get my pixel 3ax …], Which carrier? The same as SaltyCybernaut?
 Oh I see, the Google thing, sorry
 Fi seems like a long shot for us... Lots of things are done inside some probably proprietary provisioning plugsins
 [Edit] Fi seems like a long shot for us... Lots of things are done inside some probably proprietary provisioning plugins
 why am I not surprised..
 It works by switching between multiple US networks and Wi-Fi calling fairly seamlessly.
 Though its pricing isn't super competitive any more, it does give you the free Google VPN.
 and international service
 Google Connectivity Services, Carrier Services, and the Project Fi app (with Google Mobile Services) appear to be required to use the service under LineageOS.
 @UniversalSuperBox [It works by switching between multiple US networks and Wi-Fi calling fairly seam …], Multiple networks sounds cool
 Sounds super proprietary though
 It seems like a brutal miracle that Google managed to pull it off.
[17:42] <ubptgbot> <Pete N.> I'll have Google fi service. Awaiting a sim 😁
 @UniversalSuperBox [It seems like a brutal miracle that Google managed to pull it off.], money buys lots of things, as it turns out
 @dohbee [money buys lots of things, as it turns out], But it can't buy happiness
 Source: most billionaires
[18:05] <ubptgbot> xxpsnguy was added by: xxpsnguy
 @amyosx [But it can't buy happiness], anyone who believes this is welcome to give me all their money, and then we'll see who is happier
 @dohbee [anyone who believes this is welcome to give me all their money, and then we'll s …], I mean without money you'd be unhappy
 Its about having the happy center
 i don't think that's 100% true, but it's circumstantial
 But it is going 100% off topic 😀
 Fwd from virginioscotti: How can i install apk by ubuntu terminal
 Fwd from virginioscotti: ?
 @virginioscotti [How can i install apk by ubuntu terminal], I use Anbox
 @virginioscotti [How can i install apk by ubuntu terminal], if anbox is running, then `adb install <apk>` (on the device where anbox is running)
 and please don't cross-post
 OK sorry
[18:31] <ubptgbot> morgenstern KATRIEN was added by: morgenstern KATRIEN
 @dohbee [anyone who believes this is welcome to give me all their money, and then we'll s …], trust me you won't be much happier :P  … we need money to survive sure but billionaire have their minds full of how to safeguard their fortune :P
 @Stereofont [But it is going 100% off topic 😀], true 😂
 lavender now boots again \o/
 @RealDanct12 [i hope to see it released sometime in december, need to stop looking at the pine …], Is there a possibility for a dual rom (UB Touch and LineageOS) for the Redmi Note 7 you think?
 no, sorry
 we have no plan to support dual boot as it is much difficult to maintain than a single OS
 and yet this will never be supported by ubuntu touch, i believe this is by design (dont ask me, ask the lead developer of the OS)
 @RealDanct12 [and yet this will never be supported by ubuntu touch, i believe this is by desig …], Halium supports kernel cmdline systempart= and datapart= arguments
 Except OTA it works pretty fine here on UT
 then it might be possible but keep in mind that..
 @RealDanct12 [and yet this will never be supported by ubuntu touch, i believe this is by desig …], ^ this
 sharing kernel between android and ut doesn't work great (we disable selinux and use apparmor), and TWRP and such don't support our OTA system
 @dohbee [sharing kernel between android and ut doesn't work great (we disable selinux and …], I don't share the kernel Xd
 @dohbee [sharing kernel between android and ut doesn't work great (we disable selinux and …], [Edit] I don't share the kernel xD
 And well yes OTA doesn't work
 if you have a way to boot multiple kernels, it can work, but it's simply lot of extra work none of devs are interested in
 @NotKit [if you have a way to boot multiple kernels, it can work, but it's simply lot of …], Well, yes
 But no
 @RealDanct12 [^ this], Canonical once supported it /shrug
 For one nexus device afaik
 that's in the past
 now canonical has no part on developing ubuntu touch
 @RealDanct12 [and yet this will never be supported by ubuntu touch, i believe this is by desig …], Not exactly tis just that an dual boot method uses recovery and ubuntu touch uses recovery for updates iiuc
 @nift4 [Canonical once supported it /shrug], for a very short time, using very old method. it wasn't supported for the entirety of the project
 @dohbee [for a very short time, using very old method. it wasn't supported for the entire …], Yeah ofc
 But they rid
 [Edit] But they did
 yes, and the reason they stopped is the same reason we don't
 @dohbee [yes, and the reason they stopped is the same reason we don't], It's okay :) I don't want support from you
 uh ok
 @RealDanct12 [we have no plan to support dual boot as it is much difficult to maintain than a …], Got it! Thank you for your response
 you're welcome, if you have any question, don't hesitate asking!
 @Pete N. [<reply to media>], nice!
 Is there any way to have the dock hidden when the screen is unlocked and in normal mode (no windows type)?
 there was an discussion about that a while ago
 the decision was made back then to always show it when no apps are open
 Thinking on it have to say despite the pandemic there has been a ton of awesome progress for UT in 2020!  Seems it would be nice if we could get a recap on the UBports blog - all the advancements in Halium and Android device support (including Android 9 devices), 4 new devices coming pre-installed with UT (PinePhone, PineTab, Volla Pho
[19:56] <ubptgbot> ne, F(x)tec Pro1-X), App Drawer replacing the old Dash and Scopes, arm64 support, lots of refinements to the core apps (such as easy vcf import and export in Contacts), major improvements to the installer, big upgrades to the Telegram and Signal clients, greatly improved navigation apps , a bunch of new games (Tux Racer, etc.), etc.  THANK YOU UBpo
[19:56] <ubptgbot> rts team and community developers for a great year!!
 👏
 Thanks Tobiyo. Do you know if can be activated in some way? I.e. in some configuration file or so
 no
 the logic for how that works is a bit complicated, but if someone implemented a feature to tap on the blank area to hide the launcher, with tests, it could be accepted
 that'd be a start. tests when to show and when to hide in general is missing atm iirc
 [Edit] that'd be a start. tests when to show and when to hide the launcher in general is missing atm iirc


[09:30] <mgz> hm, without the extensive bug spam mail archive like I have with bzr it's much harder to find bugs in launchpad
[09:32] <mgz> there's a critical about improving search on terms with adjacent punctuation
[09:32] <wgrant> mgz: #launchpad-dev?
[09:33] <mgz> ...there are too many launchpad channels, I have no idea which to throw random comments in
[09:33] <wgrant> Development stuff goes in #launchpad-dev
[09:33] <wgrant> Private stuff goes in #launchpad-ops on irc.c.c
[09:33] <wgrant> User stuff goes here
[09:33] <mgz> whining about search being bad? I guess I should just shut up about.
[09:33] <wgrant> Heh
[09:33] <Peng> #launchpad-devnull
[09:34] <wgrant> Fixing that one's going to be pretty difficult.
[09:34] <wgrant> Requires replacing the tokenizer and possibly stemmer, and rebuilding all the indices live.
[09:35] <mgz> any easier with new postgre? presumed it would be difficult otherwise would have been done by now.
[09:35] <wgrant> No change.
[17:48] <micahg> czajkowski: convert to question is a nice feature in launchpad :)
[17:49] <czajkowski> micahg: was in a hurry it's past my eod 50 mins ago and wanted them to get their item done tomorrow when I'm not here
[17:49] <micahg> czajkowski: it's a link on the top right :)
[17:51] <micahg> just an FYI
[21:19] <vadi2> Is it possible to search for bugs with attachments? (some patches were not marked as such when uploaded)
[21:58]  * mwhudson wants a way to subscribe to revision notifications on all trunk branches in a project group pls
[22:08] <colon_D> hi -- for packages that require an autoreconf -i to build properly, should i be doing that in my debian/rules, or should i submit packages preconfigured?  will launchpad care one way or another?
[22:20] <micahg> colon_D: #ubuntu-packaging would probably be a better place to discuss
[22:44] <colon_D> micahg: thank you.
[22:56] <jono> hi all
[22:56] <maxb> colon_D: Launchpad doesn't care one way or the other. Ubuntu itself probably has opinions, centred around what makes it easier for other people to effectively maintain the package if necessary.
[22:56] <jono> I am importing a .po from a branch and it is failing saying that there is no header
[22:56] <jono> the po looks like http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1005652/
[22:56] <jono> any idea why it might be failing?
[22:57] <dobey> jono: what's the exact error?
[22:58] <jono> dobey, No header found in this pofile
[22:59] <jono> ahhh
[22:59] <jono> I see msgid "ubuntu-community/"
[22:59] <jono> msgstr "" is at the top of the po
[22:59] <jono> maybe that is causing it to complain?
[23:00] <dobey> jono: i think it's the fact that msgid is "ubuntu-community/" instead of just ""
[23:00] <dobey> try removing ubuntu-community/ there
[23:01] <jono> if I update the po in the branch will it automatically trigger a reimport of the po?
[23:01] <dobey> that i don't know for sure, but i would presume if automatic imports are set up, it would
[23:01] <jono> cool
[23:02] <dobey> anyway. now that my internet is back after replacing the main router, i can go eat and waste some time :)
[23:02] <dobey> later
[23:03] <jono> laters
[23:03] <jono> thanks, dobey
[23:15] <jono> danilos, around?


[06:23] <lamont> Total 351 package(s) in state Installed.
[06:23] <lamont> Total 5443 package(s) in state Needs-Build.
[06:23] <lamont> Total 67 package(s) in state Uploaded.
[06:24] <lamont> getting there
[07:45] <fabbione> :)
[07:45] <fabbione> there is something wrong with gnome-alsamixer..
[07:46] <fabbione> sparc and ia64 keeps giving it back
[07:46] <fabbione> it's really weird
[07:46] <fabbione> because it has been built before
[07:58] <fabbione> lamont: regarding the NEW.. i think it was also due to the ABI change...
[07:58] <fabbione> doko: i confirm that adding that b-d makes it go at least on i386
[10:01] <doko> fabbione: ok
[10:02] <doko> lamont: gcc-4.0 4.0.0-12 has PR22051 fixed.
[02:41] <lamont> unknown/gnome-alsamixer_0.9.6-1: Needs-Build [-:uncompiled]
[02:41] <lamont> fabbione: ^^^
[02:41] <lamont> unknown is main, but it's not really there...
[02:41] <lamont> iz override edit for elmo
 iz override edit for elmo
 lamont: look at your build-logs
 it has been built and suddenly needs build again
 + i get error fetching the sources... it's weird..
 but it's saturday and building gcc-4.0 that won't finish before
[04:53] <fabbione>            tomorrow anyway ;)
[04:53] <fabbione> bah damn efnet


[09:29] <heeen> is there an overview somewhere about the differences between ubuntu and mainline
[09:32] <juergh[m]> no. you'd need to look at git or debian/changelog but it's not obvious.
[09:33] <heeen> high level features listed somewhere?
[09:33] <juergh[m]> no
[09:34] <heeen> is git://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/kinetic forked from mainline?
[09:36] <heeen> like, it should be good to add as a remote of my local kernel.org/github torvalds repo?
[09:37] <juergh[m]> kinetic is v5.19 plus patches
[09:38] <juergh[m]> we always start from upstream's first release and than add on
[09:43] <heeen> is there a WIP branch for 6.x?
[09:44] <juergh[m]> git://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/lunar
[09:44] <juergh[m]> git://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linuxunstable/+git/unstable
[09:45] <juergh[m]> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/unstable
[09:46] <heeen> which will have the least issues for a desktop (amd TR, nvidia 2080)
[09:47] <juergh[m]> you can also try mainline builds https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[09:48] <juergh[m]> not supported though
[09:50] <heeen> what brings debian/rules into the source tree
[09:51] <juergh[m]> what source tree?
[09:51] <heeen> e.g. upstream, tag v6.1
[09:52] <juergh[m]> mainline builds?
[09:52] <heeen> commit 830b3c68c1fb1e9176028d02ef86f3cf76aa2476 (HEAD, tag: v6.1)
[09:52] <heeen> Author: Linus Torvalds<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:52] <heeen> I reckon the kernel itself does not maintain any distributions build scripts
[09:53] <juergh[m]> what? there's no debian/* in upstream.
[09:54] <heeen> yes, thats what I meant. it is maintained by debian which ubuntu forked from?
[09:55] <juergh[m]> we don't fork the kernel from debian. I have no clue what you're asking
[09:57] <juergh[m]> if you're talking about our mainline builds on kernel.ubuntu.com then we pull the debian/* files from our closest Ubuntu kernel. the tooling is here https://git.launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel/+git/kteam-tools/tree/mainline-build
[09:59] <heeen> so tooling scripts place debian/ into a source checkout before building and also packages it into source packages, which is how you get it when you use apt-get source, but it is not part of a kernel source repo that you maintain as a fork, correct?
[10:01] <heeen> thank you for being patient with me
[10:05] <juergh[m]> not really no. we're talking 2 different things here: mainline builds and regular Ubuntu packages that land in the archive.
[10:07] <juergh[m]> mainline builds are automatic builds. they are triggered when there's a new upstream x.y.z tag. for these the debian/* files are automatically added and packages are automatically built using scripts from kteam-tools. these you can only get from kernel.ubuntu.com via manual download.
[10:09] <juergh[m]> for official ubuntu kernels,  we start with - let's say - updstream v5.19 (fork it) and manually add debian/* to our repo. then layer patches on top as needed. build source packages upload them to LP and they eventually show up in the archive as apt getable
[10:21] <heeen> ah so debian/ actually is commited to e.g. mainline-crack, so I should be able to build from that using fakeroot debian/rules
[10:39] <heeen> *** The source tree is not clean, please run 'make ARCH=x86 mrproper'
[10:39] <heeen> *** in /home/florian/src-misc/mainline-crack
[10:41] <heeen> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - seems outdated referencing instructions for as old as hardy
[10:58] <heeen> oh, I had a .config file that was not supposed to be there
[11:49] <heeen> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=16 AUTOBUILD=1 NOEXTRAS=1 skipabi=true fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic
[11:50] <heeen> I used this to build 6.1 and it worked. how do I only build the modules, or even just one module
[11:50] <heeen> specifically snd_usb-audio


[06:19] <Unit193> bluesabre: How are menulibre and mugshot?
[06:33] <Unit193> Oh I didn't mention, 0.6.1-1 of -notifyd is up and now in PPA.
[10:50] <bluesabre> Unit193: both could use some bug cleanups and fresh releases, but I've got a pile of Xfce updates ahead
[12:11] <Unit193> Sounds busy.
[14:49] <Unit193> ochosi: I suppose there won't be another release of snplugin?
[14:53] <ochosi> i can do one if it helps
[14:54] <ochosi> i didn't want to because i waited for ninetls to re-surface
[14:54] <ochosi> but i guess i have waited long enough
[14:54] <ochosi> would it help?
[14:56] <Unit193> I was thinking since it's getting merged, it wouldn't see any more releases.  I believe you've done one recently, such that there's only a couple translation updates right now.
[15:51] <ochosi> yeah, it will be retired properly once 4.16 is out
[15:52] <ochosi> or maybe we'll keep it around for a transition window, not sure
[15:52] <ochosi> but yes, it should be obsolete


[13:22] <cjwatson> Wow, you get amazingly long test output if you try to @provider something that you forgot to make a subclass of Interface
[13:22] <wgrant> Heh, what is the bulk of it?
[13:23] <wgrant> ZCML spam?
[13:23] <cjwatson> In this case, TypeErrors reporting duplicate enumerated types from everything else that imports the module in question
[13:23] <wgrant> ... nice.
[13:24] <cjwatson> I'm not sure I can actually do this though.  I was trying to turn SourcePackageRecipeData into a <securedutility> so that I could use its getParsedRecipe staticmethod from browser code, but its __init__ takes arguments ...
[13:25] <wgrant> component= rather than class=.
[13:25] <cjwatson> Aha
[13:26] <cjwatson> Of course, thanks
[13:27] <cjwatson> Maybe in fact just a <utility> since RecipeBranch doesn't have a corresponding Zope interface
[13:44] <cjwatson> wgrant: db-git-recipes> you got me on indexes, but why does it need deletion handling in the DB patch?  there's no such handling for base_branch, and I was going to add it to GitRepository._getDeletionRequirements (which, yes, has the same "somebody else creates a recipe that you can't delete" as for Branch, but it's not a new problem, and deleting repositories is less frequent than deleting branches anyway)
[13:46] <wgrant> cjwatson: Hm, how does base_branch get around the branch deletion tests?
[13:47] <wgrant> There is at least a test that lists all FKs.
[13:48] <cjwatson> wgrant: That test whitelists SPRD.base_branch
[13:48] <cjwatson> Exactly because of the explicit deletion handling for recipes in Branch, I'd assume
[13:49] <cjwatson> (Also sourcepackagerecipedatainstruction.branch)
[13:50] <cjwatson> And there's no equivalent of that FK listing test for Git at the moment
[13:51] <wgrant> Sounds acceptable, then.
[13:54] <cjwatson> OK, I'll fix the indexes.
[13:54] <wgrant> Thanks.
[13:54] <cjwatson> Down to 25 failing recipe tests at the moment ...
[13:54] <wgrant> Are you parsing Git recipes with bzr-builder, or switching implementations?
[13:54] <cjwatson> The former, with a small hack.
[13:55] <wgrant> Excellent.
[13:56] <cjwatson> (Hack: Git recipes may start with either "# bzr-builder" or "# git-build-recipe", the former for compatibility and the latter because otherwise it looks rather WTF to people who don't know the history.  But bzr-builder won't accept the latter, so we have to munge it.)
[18:43] <cjwatson> wgrant: Could you sort out your pending QA?  I'd like to be able to deploy.
[21:15] <wgrant> cjwatson: Oh, sorry, forgot about that.
[21:47] <wgrant> cjwatson: QA is clear.


[09:12] <ran> do you know about a strange problem with xfce in the way it shows japanese or other east-asian languages characters?
[11:46] <xubuntu79w> Hello!
[17:13] <BobL> I am a relative newby.  I just did the latest updates on my Acer Aspire netbook and lost all network connectivity.  No wired or wireless connections as a result of the update
[18:46] <xubuntu47w> hello buddys
[18:46] <xubuntu47w> i have a one problam
[22:04] <xubuntu28w> can i ask hardware questions here?
[22:05] <knome> if it's related to xubuntu, yes
[22:05] <knome> otherwise you are likely better at ##hardware or something similar
[22:05] <xubuntu28w> I want to use Xubuntu on five monitors as an extended desktop - I have four x16 slots available - what is the most supported card for me to get? I have the most recent version of Xubuntu
[22:08] <knome> i'm running a dual-monitor setup with an nvidia card and no problems there - i use the proprietary driver, but i've understood the free driver is getting better by the day as well
[22:09] <knome> i don't know if there are any optimus cards for desktops, but i'd avoid those as they are known to be not fully supported yet
[22:09] <xubuntu28w> nvidia is well supported?
[22:10] <knome> better than amd
[22:10] <knome> well, that's my personal opinion and experience....
[22:10] <xubuntu28w> well thats something to go off of
[22:16] <xubuntu28w> if I don't play games and watch streaming video mostly, how much does graphic card video memory matter?
[22:16] <pencilandpaper> You should be alright to watch videos xubuntu28w .
[22:16] <pencilandpaper> As long as you have the proper graphics drivers installed if necessary.
[22:16] <knome> i'm no hardware expert, but i would guess if you buy any modern GPU, you should be fine
[22:18] <xubuntu28w> Ebay has them with 512mb ... I'm a little hesitant
[22:26] <xubuntu28w> Ok, will Xubuntu support a dual monitor card like: NVIDIA Quadro FX 4800


[00:19] <slangasek> doko: yes, that's exactly what it would mean, and what was discussed last week
[00:22] <slangasek> bdmurray: u-r-u rejected
[07:20] <doko> slangasek, that's not what I understood. I think we should discuss this again. the python-urllib3 itself should be considered in any case.
[13:57] <superm1> cyphermox: oh that's too bad; it fixes that SHIM_DEBUG missing message. okay
[14:11] <cyphermox> superm1: next upload will need to go through signature process again, but that time should be faster
[14:12] <superm1> cyphermox: okay.  also should share this with you: https://github.com/rhinstaller/fwupdate/commit/91cb275c1bec0da0c61038892d980f1505e0ce3f
[14:12] <superm1> that is supposed to fix that Dup error that has shown up occasionally
[14:13] <cyphermox> yep
[14:13] <superm1> it's on the linux side of fwupdate though; so it shouldn't cause the efi binary to change
[14:59] <coreycb`> hello, can an archive admin please drop neutron-plugin-cisco neutron-plugin-metaplugin binaries?   neutron no longer creates them.
[15:07] <cjwatson> coreycb`: removed from wily-proposed; that should let it migrate, and then the ones in wily will pop up on the NBS report for semi-auto removal
[15:08] <coreycb`> cjwatson, thanks
[15:38] <infinity> superm1: "shouldn't" and "won't" are two different things.  But if the EFI binary is being built reproducibly, that would be awesome, so we can alter the userspace bits with confidence that we're not changing the EFI bits and can, thus, reuse the signed blob.
[15:38] <infinity> cyphermox: ^
[15:41] <cyphermox> I don't know if it's reproducible, but I can check
[15:41] <cyphermox> that's not going to fix the sync though, because SHIM_DEBUG.
[15:42] <infinity> cyphermox: Oh, sure, I just meant in general.  Like the commit cherrypick that superm1 pointed at, if that can be pulled in without altering the built EFI bits, then you can fudge things a bit for -signed and life goes on happily.
[15:43] <cyphermox> yeah
[15:43] <cyphermox> I'll dig into it later :)
[15:43] <infinity> cyphermox: Given the turnaround times we've sometimes seen on shim, if fwupdate has a slow-moving-efi/fast-moving-userspace thing going on right now, the only two options would seem to be either 100% reproducible binary output for the EFI bit, or splitting the package (or a third option of "we're always way behind", I guess).
[15:43] <cyphermox> superm1: could you file a bug about this?
[15:44] <cyphermox> infinity: turnaround is much worse for the first time ever signing the thing too.
[15:46] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Thanks for updating the ubuntu-mate-meta package yesterday :-)
[16:19] <superm1> cyphermox: sure: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fwupdate/+bug/1505741
[16:20] <cyphermox> superm1: thanks!
[16:21] <superm1> infinity: the reason I said shouldn't is because I haven't confirmed it doesn't cause the EFI binary to change, but based on how the build system works it spits out userspace and EFI binary separately so I have confidence that it wouldn't.  It just should be double checked.
[16:21] <cyphermox> superm1: I'm concerned whether some part of the build process doesn't mess things up -- namely, the self-signing that happens on the fwupdate EFI binary towards the end
[16:22] <infinity> superm1: Sure, and I suspect you're right about the EFI code not changing, but that doesn't guarantee the binary is identical, without occasionally taking steps to ensure that.
[16:22] <cyphermox> we could easily remove that though
[16:22] <superm1> Yep
[16:22] <superm1> cyphermox: The self signing you turned off in the last upload
[16:22] <cyphermox> ah
[16:22] <cyphermox> well, magic!
[16:22] <infinity> Heh.
[16:23] <cyphermox> superm1: I'll do a test in a bit rebuilding the binaries a couple of times and comparing the results
[16:23] <infinity> Anyhow, the whole "send a binary off to MS to sign and then package it up" workflow for shim (and now fwupdate) is messy as it is, so there's fudging either way, but we definitely want to make sure that if a user rebuilds the package, they're getting the same thing as the binary we ship in -signed, minus the sig.
[16:23] <superm1> cool
[16:28]  * cyphermox -> lunch
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[20:49] <infinity> robru: The one in wily, from silo 46?
[20:50] <infinity> robru: Gone.
[20:52] <robru> infinity: yep, thanks
[21:36] <flexiondotorg> infinity, H-E-L-P! Please :-)
[21:36] <flexiondotorg> infinity, I've made a blunder.
[21:36] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Remember that artwork you merge for me recently.
[21:37] <flexiondotorg> Some of the images are the wrong bit depth and don't display at all, totally missing the point of being more visible for low vision users.
[21:37] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Please can you merge - https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/debian-cd/ubuntu-mate-fix/+merge/274327
[22:10] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Can you help? ^^^^^^^
[22:21] <cyphermox> flexiondotorg: in a few hours
[22:25] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Thanks. I made a boo-boo :-/
[22:27] <cyphermox> ok


[21:00] <jfcaron> Is there a way to find out how large (i.e. in bytes or something) will be a push to launchpad, before pushing?