[00:00] <patdk-lap> depends on who you ask
[00:00] <juniorbisono> I think its best you play with it... read what your doing test the changes and move on!
[00:00] <patdk-lap> webmin is a tool that I feel no one should be using
[00:00] <juniorbisono> you can make your box run like a porche or lock it down so bad that you have to reimage it!
[00:02] <juniorbisono> its really your call! what are you trying to do?
[00:02] <sw0rdfish> i'm using an auto install script
[00:03] <sw0rdfish> to setup rutorrent
[00:03] <juniorbisono> what is the script going to do?
[00:03] <sw0rdfish> its got a bunch of things in it
[00:03] <sw0rdfish> which are unrelated
[00:03] <sw0rdfish> lol
[00:03] <sw0rdfish> one of them being
[00:03] <juniorbisono> hmm... I never played with rutorrent...
[00:03] <sw0rdfish> webmin
[00:03] <juniorbisono> your trying to run a torrent server?>
[00:04] <juniorbisono> or is that the client?
[00:04] <sw0rdfish> a friend just yelled/advised me against it though, think i won't do it, cuz he's right if i wanna learn linux i shouldn't use fanci GUI's
[00:04] <sw0rdfish> a client
[00:04] <sw0rdfish> grrrr its just that i've been wanting to install webmin for so long, it eats me up to say no
[00:05] <sw0rdfish> to this script lol
[00:05] <patdk-lap> dont worry, it's the same with drugs, so hard to say no
[00:05] <juniorbisono> Yeah.... I think you need to get networking in good order learn some commands and just read, read and do some more reading!  FEED YA BRAIN!
[00:07] <sw0rdfish> lol
[00:08] <sw0rdfish> uhhh what kind of reading do you mean juniorbisono
[00:08] <juniorbisono> hmm... well for one Linux unleashed! start there.
[00:09] <juniorbisono> get use to your box... learn everything via console... there is not need for no GUI on a linux box... well I dont like to use it! I rather do all my stuff via console..
[00:09] <patdk-lap> a gui is kind of nice, for all the ssh windows
[00:10] <juniorbisono> run your servers, create your php or html code via a console mod your config files start up and kill your services all via console..
[00:10] <sw0rdfish> you talkin about the book linux unleashed?
[00:10] <juniorbisono> Yes!
[00:10] <juniorbisono> or any book via Linux!
[00:10] <sw0rdfish> my question meant, should I be doing book reading or manual reading?
[00:10] <juniorbisono> watch the documentary via netflix  :D
[00:10] <sw0rdfish> as in the manual of commands/programs
[00:11] <juniorbisono> physical book reading with chapters or PDF's
[00:11] <juniorbisono> :D
[00:11] <sw0rdfish> thats the name of this book you talk about? nothing else in its name? just "Linux Unleashed"
[00:11] <sw0rdfish> i'll get it if its worth it
[00:11] <juniorbisono> sw0rdfish, do your research.... but get a book that shows you what Linux's about!
[00:12] <juniorbisono> its worth the reading... then get into networking..... and so on!
[00:12] <juniorbisono> then run your servers.. apache, ssh, MySQL, samba anything so you can get an idea of what its all about....
[00:12] <sw0rdfish> YAY! i just typed in NO and hit enter
[00:12] <sw0rdfish> its GONE now
[00:13] <sw0rdfish> got it over with :)
[00:13] <sw0rdfish> haha my friend is saying, Atta boy!
[00:13] <sw0rdfish> hesitated for 20 minutes lol asking around googling around
[00:13] <juniorbisono> go get a book.. goto a book store read it, write it highlight it... make notes test what thier talking about... then pass it on :D
[00:14] <juniorbisono> its better than reading a PDF.... force your self you use only the console your first time around... not saying that you can tweak your console!
[00:15] <sw0rdfish> i mean hey webmin is just for installing stuff right? and monitoring your system
[00:15] <patdk-lap> only browse the web using lynx and pine for email :)
[00:15] <sw0rdfish> i bet there is a cli way to monitor system hardware and software activity
[00:15] <juniorbisono> view the directories... view the files look in them and then ask questions like,.. what does this do..  and so on!....
[00:15] <patdk-lap> the issue with webmin and things like it is
[00:15] <juniorbisono> pine! wow thats awesome!
[00:16] <sw0rdfish> "free -m" and "top" being one of them :)
[00:16] <juniorbisono> patdk-lap, I havent used that in years... but true!
[00:16] <patdk-lap> you are forced to use it, and if you grow beyond what it can do, you must NOT use it, or it will mess with your customizations
[00:16] <juniorbisono> forget WEBMIN! goto your TTY1 and stay there! :D
[00:16] <sw0rdfish> :D
[00:17] <juniorbisono> all jokes aside READ! its your best bet!
[00:17] <patdk-lap> the other huge issue with webmin
[00:17] <patdk-lap> is if something breaks, you have no idea how to fix it
[00:17] <patdk-lap> and if you don't use a *webmin* approved fix, your likely to break webmin, when you do fix it
[00:17] <juniorbisono> no WEBMIN for sw0rdfish  :D
[00:18] <sw0rdfish> hehe :)
[00:18] <sw0rdfish> that doesn't sound good patdk-lap
[00:19] <juniorbisono> do this: create a few directories, create a few users reset thier accounts, creat some files, and move and copy file to those users home directories....
[00:20] <juniorbisono> play with that..
[00:20] <juniorbisono> also for a good epxlorer type for the console try Midnight Commander... I have used for at least 7 years!
[00:20] <juniorbisono> you can do all that and more with that app..
[00:20] <juniorbisono> apt-get install mc
[00:21] <juniorbisono> brb!
[00:27] <sw0rdfish> epxlorer
[00:38] <juniorbisono> I'm back! sw0rdfish
[00:45] <sw0rdfish> juniorbisono, welcome back
[00:45] <sw0rdfish> you were saying epxlorer?
[00:45] <sw0rdfish> and what is mc?
[00:47] <krux> mc - Midnight Commander - a powerful file manager
[00:49] <juniorbisono> Yes! mc
[00:49] <juniorbisono> sw0rdfish, google it  :D
[00:49] <juniorbisono> its what you need to play in the console :D
[00:54] <sw0rdfish> google both of them you mean
[00:54] <sw0rdfish> oh nvm
[00:54] <sw0rdfish> lol
[00:55] <sw0rdfish> console file manager sounds neatg
[00:55] <sw0rdfish> neat*
[00:55] <juniorbisono> its really nice.. google image mc linux explorer
[07:02] <twister004> hi guys.... is it possible to enter a dns name instead of an IP on the IPSEC setup on my ubuntu server?
[07:02] <twb> What IPSEC setup?
[07:03] <twister004> twb, it consists of setkey and racoon... and shorewall as the firewall
[07:04] <twister004> twb, in the 'psk.txt' file... I have to enter the public IP of the distination VPN endpoint and the corresponding PSK... can I enter a DNS name instead?
[07:04] <twb> So this is on IPv4?
[07:04] <twister004> twb.. yes
[07:05] <twb> No idea, sorry
[07:05] <twister004> no probs.. thanks for checking anyways
[07:14] <Avi> I am able to login to an ubuntu server via ssh within the local network. But when I do so from a different location, I am unable to connect even if port forwarding is enabled. "nmap <ip> -p 22" shows port 22 as "filtered". How to change the status to "open"?
[07:15] <twb> Avi: this is through a NAT?
[07:16] <Avi> twb: yes
[07:16] <twb> On the NATting router, you need to both DNAT -p tcp --dport ssh --to-destination <ip> in mangle *and* ACCEPT -d <ip> -p tcp --dport 22 in FORWARD
[07:17] <twb> Er, in *filter :FORWARD
[07:17] <twb> That's assuming the most common/obvious issue; there might be some other problem
[07:19] <jmarsden> twister004: From a slightly fading memory (!), usually IPSEC needs actual static IPs for endpoints, there is a special "road warrior" mode for handling connections from roaming client machines, I think...  if the racoon docs say "IP address" then they mean an IP address, not a DNS name.
[07:19] <twister004> jmarsden.... is it possible to have a DNS name in a road warior mode?.. also, any idea what openswan is all about?
[07:20] <Avi> twb: I cannot find any DNAT setting in the router page.
[07:20] <twb> DNAT is the netfilter (linux) term
[07:20] <twb> If it's not a linux router, or you don't have a root shell on it, then you'll have to translate accordingly
[07:21] <twb> Or, obviously, deploy ubuntu or similar as your router :-)
[07:21] <jmarsden> twister004: Well, as long as the central server is at a static known IP, the road warriors can all connect into it from anywhere, so no DNS name needed for that... openswan is another IPSEC stack, I have not heard that mentioned for several years, I don't know its current state of usefulness.
[07:22] <twister004> jmarsden... so, road warrior is client-server model.. I need a site-to-site implementation that is rock solid even if one side does not have a static IP.
[07:23] <jmarsden> twister004: You're going to have to read the docs.  I know commercial routers can do that these days, I do not know whether the free software IPSEC code can.
[07:24] <twb> Presumably he has l2tp in there somewhere, too?
[07:26] <Avi> twb: Can this be done: http://www.issociate.de/board/post/186915/iptables_port_forwarding_-_port_is_filtered,_needs_to_be_open.html ?
[07:27] <Avi> twb: the command at the 4th post?
[07:29] <twb> Avi: ask #netfilter
[07:29] <Avi> twb: ok
[12:30] <cocoa117> does Ubuntu lucid server have xen_pcifront module configured by default? grep -i xen_ /boot/configure*** don't show anything
[12:30] <cocoa117> i have to download the source code and compile the kernel to get it? right?
[12:43] <hallyn> Daviey: kim0: do you guys feel that the info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/GettingInvolved is still mostly right?
[12:43] <hallyn> it seems to me the task force and mentor bits might not be active right now?
[12:44] <kim0> hallyn: It is becoming reactivated very soon :)
[12:44] <hallyn> What I was actually going to first ask was whether you guys felt it might be worthwhile to add a list of specific work items people who want to develop, not bug triage, could do.  (Just so I could put 'port netcf to debian on there :)
[12:44] <hallyn> kim0: ah, ok
[12:44] <hallyn> i hadn't heard about that
[12:44] <kim0> I should have a call with Daviey this week in order to identify specific bite-sized bugs people can work on, as well as other tasks
[12:44] <kim0> hallyn: I'm sure you will hehe :)
[12:45] <kim0> hallyn: thanks for the ping though
[12:45] <hallyn> cool, i'll leave it in your capable hands then :)
[12:45] <hallyn> thx, ttyl
[12:45] <kim0> later
[12:45] <Daviey> hallyn: Yeah, the task force thing was mostly canned.. sadly
[12:45] <Daviey> There wasn't the activity to make it worthwhile
[12:46] <Daviey> Outstanding merges that we really care about BTW, http://pb.daviey.com/T8KO/raw/
[12:47] <Daviey> there are a few that would suite you well hallyn :)
[12:48] <hallyn> Daviey: since my impending leave jsut refuses to arrive (grrr), over the weekend i started on the userns kernel code.  lots to be done with that.
[12:48] <hallyn> hm, elinks merge
[12:49] <hallyn> what's with the multiple links-ssl entries?
[12:49] <Daviey> hallyn: the name and version was changed.. so it's barfed with the changelog
[12:49] <hallyn> Daviey: all right, so with multipath we're hoping to get 7 old bugs SRU'd.   How can I ensure the size of the fs and the lv match?
[12:58] <sveinse> lvresize --size 6G is a bit blunt... Can I specify number of sectors here or something more accurate?
[12:59] <hallyn> well you can do megabytes, but i don't think it could possibly know about sectors
[13:00] <hallyn> suppose i'd just make sure to leave a bit more in the lv than in the fs
[13:00] <sveinse> So the safest way would be to reduce the partition a bit more than required, then reduce the lv, and then finally expand the fs to fill the lv
[13:00] <hallyn> uh.  which partition?
[13:00] <hallyn> the partition forming the basis of the pv?
[13:01] <sveinse> No, the partition *in* the pg, i.e. the lv partition
[13:01] <soren> How's that different from "reduce the lv"?
[13:02] <hallyn> there's the pv and vg (which have no size per se), and the lv itself.  I'm not understanding your difference of 'lv' vs 'lv partition'
[13:02] <sveinse> You need to reduce the filesystem (using resize2fs) prior to reducing the lv in order not to lose any data
[13:02] <hallyn> so if you skip that part, i'd agree :)
[13:02] <hallyn> right
[13:02] <sveinse> Both resize2fs and lvresize needs a size specification, and the question was how to align them
[13:03] <hallyn> oh so your steps 1 and 3 were about fs, and 2 about lv?  then that sounds good
[13:03] <soren> I agree with hallyn. Shrink the fs slightly more than you need to, shrink the lv, then expand the fs.
[13:03] <sveinse> I guess you cannot assume a size, like 6G, will be interpreted to the same size in their respective unit format
[13:03] <sveinse> Yes, my point as well
[13:04] <soren> lvm deals in extents and it rounds up.
[13:04] <soren> Not sure what resize2fs does.
[13:04] <mncl-core> anyone around and have a bit of time to assist me?
[13:05] <patdk-wk> mncl-core, how would we know?
[13:05] <mncl-core> :)
[13:06] <mncl-core> this is my question....
[13:06] <mncl-core> where can i find information on how I can use Ubuntu Server as an Application Server for Multiple-Users connecting over WAN via VNC or RDP.
[13:07] <mncl-core> Essentially for example, I would like to have Eclipse IDE for example; and have users connecting into a Ubuntu Session, and have access to Eclipse only for example...
[13:07] <pmatulis> mncl-core: that's a lot of examples
[13:08] <mncl-core> sorry pretty tired lol, been up like 48 hours
[13:08] <pmatulis> mncl-core: could you do that over an SSH tunnel?  not sure
[13:09] <mncl-core> ok allow me to rephrase
[13:09]  * patdk-wk would just go vnc or nx
[13:09] <Daviey> hallyn: solved: http://pb.daviey.com/jowm/
[13:09] <Daviey> err, http://pb.daviey.com/jowm/raw/ is probably easier
[13:10] <hallyn> cool
[13:10] <mncl-core> What about the Server Side? What would I need to do to setup Ubuntu as a Multi-User / App Server?
[13:11] <pmatulis> mncl-core: create users, install app?
[13:12] <Daviey> SpamapS: Did https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/elinks/0.12~pre5-2ubuntu2 get pushed upstream?
[13:14] <hallyn> i'll claim ipsec-tools for starters
[13:54] <sommer> morning all, happy Monday!
[14:06] <hggdh> jamespage, good morning
[14:07] <jamespage> hey hggdh
[14:07] <hggdh> jamespage, jenkins is getting hit by OoM on startup
[14:07] <jamespage> good morning to you as well
[14:07] <jamespage> bah
[14:07] <jamespage> time to up the size of the instance for the time being
[14:08] <jamespage> I think we'll have to go m1.large as its a 64bit t1.micro
[14:12] <hggdh> jamespage, I thought something like that
[14:12] <hggdh> :-)
[14:25] <hallyn> jamespage: hey, when you have a moment, I'm still having trouble with the jenkins git plugin.  I can make a job which does git by hand, but when I use git plugin to fetch the tree, it always fails.  I've seen bug reports of similar behavior, though that was from windows
[14:35] <jamespage> hallyn: I'm around
[14:36] <jamespage> so it could be that you need to install the Maven plugin;  the upstream distribution comes with this installed by default
[14:36] <jamespage> however I could not fulfill all the required dependencies for packaging (needs Maven 3) so its not included in the jenkins package ATM
[14:36] <jamespage> you can install it through the UI.
[14:37] <cmagina> hallyn: just point me at the packages and i'll toss them on a system for som basic testing
[14:39] <jamespage> hggdh: I'm assuming that the jenkins instance is broke at the moment so I'll upgrade it once I get an ack
[14:42] <hallyn> cmagina: ok, in that case, when i finish testing ipsec-tools merge, i'll try multipath-tools again.
[14:42] <hallyn> cmagina: thanks
[14:43] <cmagina> hallyn: np
[14:43] <hallyn> jamespage: i'll try that, thanks
[14:43] <jamespage> hallyn - just giving it a test as well
[14:44] <hallyn> jamespage: I'm trying the git tree at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=serge/natty-userns.git right now
[14:46] <hallyn> jamespage: i'm not seeing which exact plugin (of the hundreds on the available list :) you'd mean
[14:46] <jamespage> Maven 2 Plugin
[14:49] <hallyn> enabling 'maven 2 project plugin'
[14:50] <jamespage> hallyn: what does your error look like?
[14:52] <jamespage> I seem to be able to clone git repo's OK but its then trying to tag a build for me (and its a ro URL)
[14:57] <mncl-core> What would be the most appropriate solution to lockdown a Ubuntu Desktop; allowing VNC Remote Control/or/RDP to the Desktop; Allowing the Logged-In User to ONLY Work in Eclipse and Save Data in his home directory, while disallowing the User to do ANYTHING else.
[15:01] <jamespage> hggdh: back up and running on a larger instance size
[15:11] <hallyn> hm, i can't get configure to recognize ldap2-dev...
[15:23] <sean_w> Has anyone had any luck getting suPHP to work in 10.10?
[15:25] <smoser> can some python foo master explain http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/debian/sid/offlineimap/sid/view/head:/offlineimap/imaplibutil.py to me ?  I'm confused by lines 177 to 204.
[15:25] <smoser> it looks to me like a 'try..except NameError..else:'
[15:25] <smoser> which i didn't realize could be done
[15:27] <smoser> hmm... i guess same question as http://stackoverflow.com/questions/855759/python-try-else
[15:27] <Pici> smoser: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0341/
[15:27] <Pici> Well, not exactly, but it does say that try/except/else blocks are valid.
[15:44] <RoAkSoAx> zul: ping
[15:44] <zul> RoakSoAx: whats up?
[15:44] <RoAkSoAx> zul: do you mind if I assign to myself a couple cobbler work items?
[15:44] <zul> RoakSoAx: please
[15:44] <RoAkSoAx> zul: k thanks ;)
[15:45] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: i don't midn if you assign yourself to a few lxc, userns, kvm, or libvirt work items, fwiw.
[15:45] <hallyn> :)
[15:46] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: hehe I'll see what I can help you with later this week ;)
[15:47] <smoser> Pici, thanks for the response.. the stackoverflow was pretty good.  i'd just never seen that before.
[15:48] <smoser> zul, or anyone else, see my query in ubuntu-devel about how to get info from a user on a failed 'apt-get upgrade'
[15:50] <zul> smoser: /var/log/apt/history /var/log/apt/term.log might have some info in it
[15:50] <smoser> isn't there some tool to collec tthat ?
[15:53] <CharlieSu> Does anyone have a suggestion on a good OpenID server(provider) ?  I'd like to run one behind a load balancer for HA.
[16:04] <zul> smoser: apport i think
[16:06] <_storrgie_> when I log into my 10.04 servers I get the MOTD where it says I need to update packages... however that never goes away even after I update the packages
[16:12] <patdk-wk> cause the motd updater isn't running
[16:16] <_storrgie_>  patdk-lap why did it stop?
[16:17] <patdk-wk> heh? I'm not your server, don't ask me
[16:28] <slicslak> how do i find out what package a binary comes from?
[16:31] <ScottK> slicslak: apt-cache show $BINARYNAME will give you that information.
[16:34] <slicslak> ScottK, looks like that shows info for a package, rather than a binary (executable)
[16:34] <ScottK> Sorry.  I thought you meant binary package.
[16:36] <ScottK> slicslak: dpkg -S binary
[16:36] <ScottK> e.g.  dpkg -S /usr/bin/python
[16:36] <slicslak> sweet, thx
[16:42] <slicslak> gar, my sysadmin is lying to me.  or more likely just doesn't know wht they are talking about.  sigh...
[16:45] <jMCg> dpkg -S /path/to/binary -- but if the package isn't installed: apt-file search /path/to/binary
[16:45] <jMCg> slicslak: ^
[16:50] <slicslak> thanks, stumbled accross http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt while googling for this stuff.
[16:52] <slicslak> I'm told that the ffmpeg I have on the server was built from source.  There's not source directory sittin around however.  I did find a ffmpeg .deb file.  dpkg -s tells me that it isn't installed however.  dpkg -S and apt-file search say that the package for /usr/bin/ffmpeg is ffmpeg.  so i assume that it's not lying and it's the standard ffmpeg from whatever repository that is installed.
[16:52] <slicslak> does that sound right to you guys?
[16:55] <reeve> hey all - with ubuntu server install (11.04) during the partitioning section, I'm trying to use LVM but it won't let me select the size of the swap partition that I want, it automatically sets it for me. Any ideas?
[16:58] <hallyn> Daviey: fwiw, ipsec-tools merge "pretty much done", but it fails to build from source, even in debian sid.  emailed the maintainer.  so if anyone asks, it's in progress
[16:58] <hallyn> Daviey: how is the spice package push to universe going?
[17:01] <hallyn> SpamapS: you are working on elinks merge, is that right?
[17:04] <Daviey> hallyn: Where is the spice package at the moment?
[17:04] <Daviey> hallyn: FTBFS is mere detail :).  Nice work tho.
[17:04] <hallyn> uh, same place.  people.canonical.com
[17:05] <jorenl_> Hey, I have a (noob) question. I'd like to create a drop directory for everyone to access in our windows network (using samba) but where should I create that directory on my server?
[17:06] <hallyn> http://people.canonical.com/~serge/qemu-kvm-spice-0.14.0+noroms-0ubuntu4.tgz  spice-gtk_0.5-1ubuntu2-debs.tgz  spice-gtk-debs.tgz
[17:06] <hallyn> hm
[17:06] <hallyn> Daviey: no, that's not it
[17:06] <hallyn> Daviey: they're in ppa:serge-hallyn/spice2  :-)
[17:07] <ScottK> kirkland: Which package is used for full disk encryption?  An upstream developer for Amarok that uses Kubuntu is having full disk encryption trouble at work (some machines only boot every other time) and I'd like to see if there are existing bugs on this.
[17:07] <hallyn> Daviey: i'm looking at etckeeper next.  (then multipath-tools)
[17:07] <Daviey> ScottK: kirkland is out of the office this week, but if you accept answers from other people - perhaps LUKS ?
[17:07] <hallyn> Daviey: etckeeper is uptodate, not ure why it's on your list
[17:07] <ScottK> Daviey: Definitely.  Thanks.
[17:08] <Daviey> hallyn: it was sync'd 2 hours ago :)
[17:08] <Daviey> merged rather
[17:09] <Daviey> by zul
[17:10] <Jasonn> Hey :) Here is the problem. I got a VPS from a server company, and a customer needs it in like an hour. The thing is, its not accepting connections from external IPs
[17:11] <Daviey> Jasonn, In that instance, you'd probably be better speaking with the provider.  I imagine it's a common issue with their setup that they can quickly answer.
[17:12] <Daviey> (hunch is malconfigured networking, firewall (iptables / ufw) or hey miscofigured IP allocation within their network)
[17:12] <Jasonn> Iv had experience with their support, and they usually take hours if not more than a day to answer. The customer is paying $50/mo for this box, and I need to get it set up right now
[17:12] <Jasonn> I can ssh into the box from their special SSH login
[17:12] <Daviey> seriously?! 50 USD per month, and they take days to respond?!
[17:13] <Jasonn> $20 *
[17:13] <Jasonn> Sorry, I hit the wrong number
[17:13] <Daviey> ah
[17:13] <Jasonn> I mean, its $20 on my ass
[17:13] <Jasonn> Think you can take a look at it?
[17:13] <Daviey> special ssh login is probably equivilant to serial console which bypasses networking
[17:13] <Jasonn> yes
[17:14] <Jasonn> it is
[17:14] <hallyn> Daviey: d'oh!
[17:14] <hallyn> :)
[17:14] <Daviey> Jasonn: Have you tried connecting from an additional place?
[17:15] <Jasonn> From another IP?
[17:15] <Jasonn> No
[17:15] <Daviey> ie, just to check that the IP you are connecting from hasn't been blockd.
[17:15] <Jasonn> Hmm
[17:15] <Jasonn> ill try, give me a min
[17:15] <Daviey> Jasonn: What is the IP address of the VPS?
[17:17] <Daviey> Jasonn: can you ping outwards from the VPS?
[17:18] <SpamapS> Daviey: re elinks, I don't recall.
[17:18] <SpamapS> hallyn: no I haven't been working on an elinks merge its definitely up for grabs
[17:18]  * SpamapS wonders if this is all spelled out in the 500 emails he has to get through :-P
[17:18] <Jasonn> Daviey: No, I cannot ping outwards either
[17:18] <hallyn> i don't think so.  i'm still behind on emails myself though
[17:19] <hallyn> SpamapS: ^
[17:19] <Daviey> Jasonn, raise a support ticket :)
[17:19] <Jasonn> :(
[17:20] <Jasonn> Can you SSH into it with the dets I gave you in PM
[17:20] <Jasonn> ?
[17:20] <Jasonn> the serial console
[17:22] <Daviey> Jasonn, networking isn't configured, see ifconfig and /etc/network/interfaces
[17:22] <Jasonn> Can you configure it?
[17:23] <Jasonn> Pleasee <333
[17:23] <Daviey> Jasonn: I really can't trial and error to get the correct values.
[17:24] <Jasonn> I can copy the values from another VPS on the same provider
[17:24] <Jasonn> would that work?
[17:24] <Daviey> possibly.
[17:27] <lynxman> RoAkSoAx ping
[17:27] <RoAkSoAx> lynxman: pong
[17:28] <lynxman> hey o/
[17:28]  * Daviey waits for < RoAkSoAx> ho o/
[17:28] <Jasonn> Daviey: Can I pastebin a copy of the interfaces file on my personal box and can you tell me if it would work if I put it on the other one?
[17:28] <lynxman> Daviey: :>
[17:28] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: o/
[17:30] <reeve> anyone have experience installing w/LVM and being able to select partitioning sizes?
[17:33] <Jasonn> What text editor is preinstalled on ubuntu?
[17:33] <Jasonn> other than nano ?
[17:34] <Pici> vim-tiny
[17:34] <Daviey> Jasonn: go for it/
[17:35] <Jasonn> How do i exit vim?
[17:35] <Jasonn> this always pisses me off
[17:36] <hallyn> :q
[17:36] <lynxman> hallyn: you can't quit irc :P
[17:36] <Jasonn> What if it types into the actual file?
[17:36] <hallyn> heh
[17:36] <hallyn> Jasonn: hit escape
[17:36] <Pici> Jasonn: press escape first
[17:36] <hallyn> then :q
[17:37] <Jasonn> does that save it?
[17:39] <Jasonn> Pici: How do I save something in vim?
[17:39] <Pici> Jasonn: :w
[17:39] <Jasonn> thanks
[17:39] <Jasonn> :)
[17:40] <Jasonn> When you restart the computer, new changes to the interfaces file should take effect, right?
[17:43] <patdk-wk> depends on if you rstarted it truely, or just hibernated/sleep
[17:48] <Jasonn> Dear Customer.The internet connection to which your seedbox is connected has suffered a failure due to unknown reasons. Our technical team if working non-stop to resolve the issue. Keep in mind, that when the problem has been resolved, you will be refunded for time that your seedbox was unavailable for.
[17:48] <Jasonn> D:
[17:48] <Jasonn> Had to send that email
[17:58] <Daviey> heh
[18:04] <hallyn> Daviey: mind sponsoring http://people.canonical.com/~serge/elinks_0.12~pre5-3.2ubuntu1-package.tgz  for oneiric?  (tests fine here)
[18:06] <Daviey> hallyn: you and your tgz's!
  got a pref?
[18:06] <hallyn> tbz?  :)
[18:07] <Daviey> hallyn: if you just push it in native format, i can run one command to grab and extract it :)
[18:07] <Daviey> ie, give me the dsc url
[18:07] <Daviey> grabbing it now
[18:08] <hallyn> Daviey: good point
[18:08]  * RoAkSoAx can sponsor main uploads as well now :)
[18:09] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: oh, cool.  i'll remember that :)
[18:10] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, \o/ Well done :)
[18:10] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: hehye
[18:10] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: :D
[18:13] <Daviey> hallyn, looks good, http://pb.daviey.com/XEJ3/raw/ .. Can you forward the imdb patch?
[18:13] <Daviey> uploading.
[18:13]  * hallyn curses whoever didn't do so in the first place
[18:14] <Daviey> heh
[18:20] <hallyn> Daviey: well, it was sent upstream actually
[18:21] <SpamapS> I just love yum .. needs 200MB of RAM to resolve 100 dependencies. :-P
[18:23] <zul> why are you using yum?
[18:27] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: ping
[18:28] <smoser> howdy
[18:28] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: howdy!! I
[18:28] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: howdy!! I'm merging new upstream release of nut
[18:28] <RoAkSoAx> and I saw debian/patches/debian-changes-2.6.0-1: remove that accidental file
[18:28] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: so i was wondering if this is the same you saw there:  debian/patches/debian-changes-2.6.0-1: remove that accidental file
[18:28] <RoAkSoAx> argh
[18:28] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/620109/
[18:31] <smoser> i think so, yes
[18:31] <smoser> how did that get back there?
[18:31] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: alright I guess I'll just drop it
[18:31] <smoser> well you should drop it.
[18:32] <smoser> it should not be there.
[18:32] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: the thing is that if you erase it from debian/patches it won't be dropped becuase it is applied in .pc/
[18:32] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: so you have to do quilt pop -a first
[18:32] <smoser> as all changes should be accounted for in the debian/patches/series
[18:32] <RoAkSoAx> and then erase the change
[18:32] <RoAkSoAx> s/change/patch
[18:32] <smoser> its possible i missed that... but i know that i built ones locally that did not have that change.
[18:32] <smoser> versioned .pc is a freaking mess
[18:33] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: yeah I just end up cleaning it up by unapplying all the patches and erasing it so it creates a new one
[18:34] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: cause I've encountered that in many cases where the patch gets applied, and sometimes the info is not in .pc so if you end up dropping from debian/patches/series, then it automatically gets created because it detected changes in the source that are put into a patch
[18:34] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: to fix, in reality, is simply un-applying the patches
[18:34] <smoser> so, please, get that crap out of there.
[18:34] <RoAkSoAx> once that one is created
[18:34] <RoAkSoAx> and then, once you un-apply, then remove it
[18:34] <smoser> quilt 3.0 and a debian-changes file shouldn't ever exist together
[18:35] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: yeah well... Its a mess even with branches... :)
[18:35] <Daviey> that isn't necessarily correct.
[18:35] <Daviey> a debian-changes*.patch isn't inherently bad.
[18:36] <smoser> it is with quilt 3.0
[18:36] <Daviey> No.. I don't like it... :P, but does Debian Maintainers seem to be quite happy using them.
[18:36] <smoser> *with* quilt 3.0 ?
[18:36] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: yeah the creation of it is not bad because it actually makes you realize that there's something wrong there and something is applied to the source without a proper patch
[18:36] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: but carrying that over and over is a mess
[18:36] <smoser> it seems counter productive.
[18:36] <Daviey> smoser, the text in the header of the patch was made to be less rude so people could use them.
[18:37] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, the same would have been better acheieved by the build failing
[18:37] <smoser> "you have changes you didn't expect" FAIL
[18:37] <Daviey> it used to sound like, "The last uploader was a plum, maybe you can work out what the hell they were smoking when they did it based on this changelog entry"
[18:37] <Daviey> it's a little more polite now
[18:37] <smoser> then, chuck woulnd't hvae had those changes in it, and i would not hvae failed to remove them, and we would not be having this conversation (if the build failed)
[18:37] <Daviey> true.
[18:38] <Daviey> I image that can be made to work.. it does produce a warning if you edit the upstream files
[18:38] <smoser> or some marker in debian/ that says "FAIL_ON_DEBIAN_CHANGES"
[18:39] <RoAkSoAx> if you use grab-merge.sh it does fail because there's a patch in debian/patches but when it tries to apply the patch, the patch is already applied for some weird bug in the script... because the .pc didn't kept track of the patch being applied and as a result, when you debuild, it fails with a patch failing to apply
[18:41] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, sorry for wasting your time.
[18:41] <Daviey> smoser, what was the contents of the auto' patch btw?
[18:41] <smoser> i banged my head on .pc directory for quite a while on a busybox merge
[18:42] <smoser> quilt pop -a
[18:42] <smoser> quilt push -a
[18:42] <smoser> that will *work* if you have a .pc directory versioned
[18:42] <smoser> even if hte patches do not apply
[18:42] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: no worries... you didn't :) it is not your fault anyway
[18:43] <smoser> Daviey, its in that pastebin above link from RoAkSoAx
[18:43] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: I was also banging my head due to that... until i figured what was wrong
[18:43] <smoser> it looks to me like its a result of a build
[18:43] <smoser> (ie, make-doc)
[18:43] <smoser> or some such
[18:44] <Duvrazh> Hello, does anyone know how to set TwonkyServer to start as a foreground application on boot for transcoding purposes?
[18:44] <Daviey> smoser, is that patch generated at source package build time?
[18:44] <Daviey> 'build'
[18:44] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: debuild
[18:44] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, Ah.. in that case....
[18:44] <Daviey> smoser, extend-diff-ignore is your friend.
[18:44] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: here's the deal, you apply changes directly to the source, when you debuild -S, then source format 3.0 separates those changes into a patch
[18:45] <Daviey> maybe the Debian Maintainer might want to start using it
[18:45]  * Daviey googles
[18:45] <Daviey> http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/09/14/how-to-customize-dpkg-sources-behaviour-in-your-debian-source-package/
[18:45] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: is the same issue as discussed before when applying patches in bzr with edit-patch if you recall our conversation
[18:45] <Daviey> yah
[18:56] <Daviey> BTW - updated farbehind list http://pb.daviey.com/cG8S/raw/
[18:59] <hallyn> Daviey: someone actually owned the bug which SpamapS had created for that one-line trivial bug.  NO action since june last year.  I emailed the bug owner...
[18:59] <SpamapS> hallyn: Hey, I just accepted qemu-kvm 0.12.3+noroms-0ubuntu9.8 before noticing that there was already a version in lucid-proposed .. so the update that was already there will have to wait for the new one. :-P
[18:59] <hallyn> you accepted one from security?
[18:59] <SpamapS> No
[19:00] <hallyn> oh, 9.7 was in -proposed?  (I hope)
[19:00] <SpamapS> hallyn: I accepted your fix for bug #790145, but the fix for bug# 786941 is already there.. unverified.
[19:01] <SpamapS> bug #786941
[19:02] <SpamapS> hallyn: they're both small so its ok.. its just that it resets the timer for how long it has been in -proposed.
[19:02] <hallyn> oh, ok.  that'll happen...
[19:02] <hallyn> if they didn't care enough to verify, <shrug>
[19:02] <SpamapS> Realistically its probably better if two small fixes arrive on peoples' system together instead of two separate updates.
[19:03] <SpamapS> hallyn: yeah, thats the problem with -proposed.. people get it, and then get busy and move on w/o saying its fixed.
[19:03] <Daviey> SpamapS: Ahh... we can slip small changes through SRU without issue now? :)
[19:03] <hallyn> ppetraki: around?
[19:04] <jdstrand> hallyn: btw, sorry for the delay on the libvirt merge. you are not forgotten. it will be uploaded this week
[19:04] <hallyn> jdstrand: np, thanks.
[19:04] <ppetraki> hallyn, dude
[19:04] <SpamapS> Daviey: indeed, it appears they've let a cowboy coder review SRU's now. Yee-haw! ;)
[19:04] <Daviey> jdstrand: R-O-C-K-I-N-G
[19:04] <Daviey> SpamapS: hell yeah!
[19:05] <Daviey> http://imgur.com/y7Hm9
[19:07] <hallyn> ppetraki: well, i was going to ask how you felt about going back to init script in place of udev rules for multipath
[19:07] <SpamapS> Daviey: lols.. twitted
[19:07] <hallyn> ppetraki: particularly as I just can't really tell from changelog or bzr tree what the motivation was
[19:08] <hallyn> but i think i'll keep the udev rules for now
[19:08] <hallyn> ppetraki: opinion?
[19:09] <SpamapS> hallyn: so with the multipath update.. do I need to wait for Colin's grub stuff to clear before accepting that?
[19:09] <ppetraki> hallyn, the udev fix seems to complicate things, but it is working
[19:09] <hallyn> SpamapS: nope
[19:09] <ppetraki> hallyn, id have to take a closer look at it to have a real opinion, leave it the way it is in the meanwhile
[19:09] <hallyn> all right
[19:10] <hallyn> the biggest bonus to going back would be simplification of merges
[19:10]  * ppetraki adds action item
[19:10] <hallyn> SpamapS: the grub thing is broken with or without the multipath-tools updates :)
[19:12] <SpamapS> hallyn: ack
[19:15] <ppetraki> hallyn, this tree right?    lp:ubuntu/multipath-tools
[19:15] <hallyn> ppetraki: I'm starting a fresh merge, but into there, yes
[19:20] <SpamapS> hallyn: why are there 6 fixes in your upload to lucid-proposed ?
[19:21] <SpamapS> thats like, a total nightmare to review! ;)
[19:21]  * SpamapS will need more coffee for this one
[19:23] <hallyn> SpamapS: that's why i was talking to you last week
[19:25] <hallyn> ppetraki: cmagina: the last two rules in kpartx.udev, it'd be worth testing whether the debian ones work for us now.  Something to consider in dublin maybe
[19:25] <ppetraki> hallyn, agreed
[19:26] <hallyn> especially cause i notice debian has changed what they use...  dunno if it's significant or not
[19:28] <Delemas> I've got a dell 1950 w/ a DRAC5 which is having corrupted remote console issues. I need to reduce the fb resolution. What is the correct way of doing this? I've tried grub options and vga= kernel option. No love...
[19:36] <patdk-wk> delemas, what version of ubuntu?
[19:36] <Delemas> 10.04 LTS
[19:37] <patdk-wk> issue in grub? or after its booted?
[19:37] <Delemas> I'm just trying a video=radeonfb:vesa:... line now. *fingers crossed*
[19:38] <Delemas> After it is booted
[19:39] <Delemas> Just before the login prompt it switches to this huge 1280 pitch console which the remote console in the DRAC is corrupting... Or it's simply a bad screen mode...
[19:39] <Delemas> It's 160x64...
[19:40] <Delemas> carp.... still resets to that crazy fb...
[19:44] <Delemas> I'm not running X...
[19:47] <RoyK> Delemas: vga16.modeset=0 is a good friend
[19:48] <RoyK> or even
[19:48] <RoyK> vga16fb.modeset=0
[19:52] <raubvogel> Is there a backport for samba4 stuff from 10.10 (and later) to 10.04 LTS?
[19:52] <Delemas> That would be nice...
[19:52] <RoyK> raubvogel: doubt it - it's not released yet
[19:53] <RoyK> but shouldn't be very hard to install from source
[19:56] <Delemas> RoyK, was that a kernel option? Adding it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT doesn't do anything... Should it be radeonfb.modeset=0 instead?
[19:56] <raubvogel> Royk, probably not. The alpha in 10.10 is just new enough to have what I need, which the one in 10.04 is way too old
[19:57] <RoyK> Delemas: try both, an extra kernel option won't hurt
[19:57] <RoyK> raubvogel: didn't know samba4 was in there at all
[19:58] <raubvogel> RoyK, here is where I found that out: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=samba4
[19:58] <RoyK> raubvogel: then just apt-get source samba4 and copy the debian/ dir into the new source dir and you should be able to make new packages without much problems
[19:58] <raubvogel> Now that is a nice idea
[20:02] <Delemas> No, it still insists on a broken 1280 8 bit resolution... fruit....
[20:11] <hallyn> cmagina: http://people.canonical.com/~serge/multipath-tools_0.4.9-2ubuntu1-debs.tgz  has proposed merge packages ready to test.  debdiff from debian is pretty minimal at this point.
[20:11]  * hallyn crosses his fingers
[20:17]  * Delemas beats radeondrmfb with a clue bat.
[20:21] <cmagina> hallyn: ok, i'll give it a shot when i get a chance.
[20:21] <hallyn> cmagina: cool, thanks
[20:22] <hallyn> the source, fwiw, is at 'dget http://people.canonical.com/~serge/multipath-tools_0.4.9-2ubuntu1/multipath-tools_0.4.9-2ubuntu1.dsc'
[20:27]  * Delemas sighs as clue bat breaks...
[20:29] <Delemas> OMG I finally stopped it from loading by confusing the drm module with an unknown parameter...
[20:32] <alamar> for receiving snmp traps I only need snmptrapd (not snmpd) right?
[20:40] <sean_w> listen 80 should make apache listen on IPv4 and IPv6, right?
[20:41] <remix_tj> yes it should... netstat -ln what shows?
[20:46] <SinnerNyx> I read that Ubuntu-server keeps a blacklist of terminal resolutions. I'd like to comment one of these out.. any idea where I can do that?
[20:46] <SpamapS> +# Sync waiting for storage.
[20:46] <SpamapS> +{ rmmod scsi_wait_scan ; modprobe scsi_wait_scan ; rmmod scsi_wait_scan ; } >/dev/null 2>&1
[20:47] <SpamapS> hallyn: ^^ .. this seems rather strange.. but maybe I'm not up on normal practice during initramfs ... how does removing/installing/removing the module "sync waiting for storage" ?
[20:50]  * RoAkSoAx almost breaks his back unpacking a UPS
[20:50] <Pici> I think thats why the boxes usually have pictures of two people picking those up.
[20:51] <SpamapS> RoyK: there's a picture of two little androgenous people on that box for a reason. ;)
[20:51] <SpamapS> hahaha JINX
[20:51] <SpamapS> IIRC the 2500kva UPS we had at my last employer was ~100lbs
[20:54] <SpamapS> hallyn: Other than that weird rmmod/insmod thing, it all looks straight forward and I think should be acceptable, BUT.. I would urge you guys to get heavy testing by multiple users promptly, as changing so much at once seems fraught with regression potential.
[20:54] <SpamapS> ppetraki: ^^
[20:54] <SpamapS> dannf: ^^^
[20:55] <SpamapS> SinnerNyx: I believe thats in the grub configuration
[20:55] <hallyn> SpamapS: the whole reason we've gotten into this mess is that there's little to no hardware to test it on, and not many users to test
[20:55] <hallyn> SpamapS: ppetraki tested yesterday, hopefully someone else can too
[20:55] <SpamapS> hallyn: indeed. ;) Ok, well.. get the few users we know about to test it. :)
[20:55] <SpamapS> Please hold off testing until its actually in proposed
[20:55] <SpamapS> PPA's are usually reliable enough.. but.. ;)
[20:56] <SpamapS> hallyn: can you explain the rmmod thing?
[20:56] <hallyn> no
[20:56] <hallyn> but maybe after i go look :)
[20:56] <hallyn> SpamapS: oh, the scsi_wait_scan?
[20:58] <SpamapS> hallyn: yeah
[20:59] <SpamapS> hallyn: if its just me, being unaware of how scsi_wait_scan is intended to be used, then thats a fair explanation.. just tell me to RTFM. ;)
[21:01] <hallyn> SpamapS: it forces all scsi devices to be found before proceeding.  It's explained btter in the bug description than I can do in irc probably
[21:01] <hallyn> SpamapS: that initramfs hook gets called before we mount the root device
[21:01] <hallyn> SpamapS: so we're basically brute-forcing the root device being available
[21:03] <SpamapS> hallyn: the bug report does not mention scsi_wait_scan
[21:03] <hallyn> hm
[21:03] <hallyn> well, without that, 'udevadm settle' will do nothing if udev hasn't already *started* processing a scsi device
[21:04] <hallyn> so if root device is slow (which for us it often was) to start, we can get past the udevadm settle without having root device
[21:04] <hallyn> then mount_root fails
[21:05] <SpamapS> hallyn: there's a binary, wait-for-root, that, IIRC, runs early and watches for a udev event on the device configured as root.
[21:07] <SpamapS> hallyn: of course, that one also fails for software RAID, so I can understand if multipath shares this trouble
[21:07] <hallyn> SpamapS: debian does the scsi_wait_scan thing in udev, btw
[21:07] <SpamapS> ahh.. well I can accept that as a precedent..
[21:07] <SpamapS> As I said, I've just never seen anything like that
[21:07] <hallyn> i suppose one might ask why we don't.  i think someone did
[21:08] <hallyn> i'll go ask pitti again in devel
[21:10] <pcperini> so, mysql crashed on me, and now won't restart. i'm getting the following error dump: http://pastie.org/2029021 any ideas?
[21:11] <guntbert> pcperini: silly question: how did you try to start it?
[21:12] <pcperini> guntbert: no question is silly. sudo service mysql start
[21:13] <guntbert> pcperini: ok, standard, next step : try to increase verbosity (I don't know how atm)
[21:14] <SinnerNyx> SpamapS: sorry was afk there.
[21:14] <pcperini> guntbert: huh… i wouldn't know how. trying to start the service makes it hang, and gives no output other than those errors...
[21:15] <FernandoTertius> how does a person disable a ping command?
[21:15] <FernandoTertius> haha
[21:15] <SinnerNyx> SpamapS: I can't find it anywhere in grub. I know how to set the grub resolution and it's no problems working. but I have a resolution that doesn't appear in vbeinfo and I'd like to force the resolution. However when I set grub to 1440x900 it just goes to some default (640x480 from what I can tell)
[21:16] <guntbert> pcperini: look into /etc/mysql/my.cnf - make a copy of that file and play :)
[21:17] <pcperini> ok
[21:18] <pcperini> guntbert: if this helps any (http://pastie.org/2029087). it's pretty standard
[21:21] <guntbert> pcperini: it was meant as a place to increase verbosity, but look at http://www.freeopenbook.com/mysqlcookbook/mysqlckbk-CHP-1-SECT-29.html
[21:24] <SpamapS> SinnerNyx: not sure. :-P I tend to just accept whatever works on a server. ;)
[21:28] <SinnerNyx> SpamapS, ok, thx :)
[21:29] <sw0rdfish> uhh i forgot to put in the -m argument when adding a user via useradd, so how do i create a home dir for my accoutn
[21:29] <sw0rdfish> just use mkdir?
[21:30] <SpamapS> sw0rdfish: you'll want to copy /etc/skel to it actually
[21:30] <sw0rdfish> in that case i'll jsut
[21:30] <SpamapS> sw0rdfish: and then chown it appropriately
[21:30] <sw0rdfish> just
[21:30] <hallyn> SpamapS: are you intending to grab my jenkins formula?
[21:30] <sw0rdfish> userdel the account and do it again with -m argument
[21:31] <sw0rdfish> to avoid conflicts which i don't want
[21:31] <SpamapS> hallyn: I haven't seen it yet. I don't even know how we should "propose" new formulas.
[21:31] <SpamapS> hallyn: been thinking of establishing a simple "new" tag for bug reports and then you can attach the branch to it
[21:31] <hallyn> SpamapS: yes, i was wondering if htat had been thought about
[21:31] <SpamapS> in fact
[21:31] <SpamapS> do that
[21:31] <SpamapS> new-formula
[21:32] <SpamapS> I'll see if I can find a wiki page to work that out
[21:32] <hallyn> against what project?
[21:32] <SpamapS> principia
[21:32] <hallyn> oh
[21:32] <hallyn> will do, thx
[21:36] <hallyn> done
[21:38] <sw0rdfish> uhhhhhhhh
[21:39] <sw0rdfish> instead of showing sw0rdfish@mycomputer:~$ its only showing $?
[21:39] <sw0rdfish> i just formated the server
[21:39] <sw0rdfish> i added my user account and su'd into it
[21:41] <smw> sw0rdfish, cp /etc/skel/.* ~
[21:41] <smw> sw0rdfish, maybe use -v :-)
[21:41] <sw0rdfish> hmmmmmmm about earlier i did do userdel
[21:41] <sw0rdfish> and added it again with -m argument so it has
[21:41] <sw0rdfish> its own directory
[21:41] <sw0rdfish> knowing that, you still want me to do that?
[21:42] <smw> sw0rdfish, do you have permission to access your home folder?
[21:42] <sw0rdfish> btw its not bash, its using sh, RoyK did show me how to move it to bash once
[21:42] <sw0rdfish> uhhh
[21:42] <sw0rdfish> yeah
[21:43] <sw0rdfish> oh i got it in the logs :)
[21:43] <smw> sw0rdfish, does anything show up when you ls -a ~
[21:43] <smw> sw0rdfish, why not use bash btw?
[21:43] <sw0rdfish> yeah i want that
[21:43] <sw0rdfish> i'm changing it now
[21:45] <sw0rdfish> yay! now its cool
[21:45] <sw0rdfish> lol
[21:53] <sveinse> Are there any security measures set in place for chroot or alternate binfmt execution in natty server?
[21:55] <sveinse> I'm not understanding why I get the response I get when running "chroot armel-rootfs /bin/bash" (which is chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory ). But the file /is/ present...
[21:56] <sveinse> However it's a armel executable, so it should go via qemu
[22:02] <sw0rdfish> service apache2 start and /etc/init.d/apache2 start, are the same thing right?
[22:04] <sw0rdfish> whats the safe way to reboot a server
[22:05] <sw0rdfish> sudo reboot?
[22:05] <sw0rdfish> does that kill the programs running and shutdown immediately? or "carefuly"
[22:07] <RoyK> sw0rdfish: dash is the default, not as powerful as bash, but far lighter cpu-wise
[22:08] <sw0rdfish> RoyK, welcome back
[22:08] <sw0rdfish> heh, yeah i took a look at the log
[22:08] <sw0rdfish> found the line you gave me :)
[22:08] <sw0rdfish> chsh or something
[22:09] <RoyK> chsh -s /bin/bash username
[22:09] <sw0rdfish> yep!
[22:09] <sw0rdfish> that one
[22:09] <sw0rdfish> used it
[22:09] <sw0rdfish> well i screwed up apache2
[22:09] <sw0rdfish> so i had to format the server lol
[22:09] <RoyK> hehe
[22:34] <sveinse> Could apparmour be interfering with chroot and/or binfmt?
[22:38] <raubvogel> what do I need to do to completely remove all samba-related config files?
[22:39] <raubvogel> join #ubuntu
[22:54] <sw0rdfish> does irssi come automatically installed in 10.04?
[22:56] <Pici> sw0rdfish: No.
[23:00] <sw0rdfish> pici thanks
[23:02] <Ddorda> hey guys, is it dangerous to change /bin/sh from dash to bash?
[23:03] <Ddorda> i want to have autocompletion by default, and I know bash has it. so maybe switching between dash and bash might be good for me. the question is, if it won't break anything
[23:03] <sw0rdfish> heh
[23:03] <sw0rdfish> i just did that a while ago
[23:04] <sw0rdfish> Ddorda, i'm not sure what kind of installation you have, mine was a clean new one
[23:04] <sw0rdfish> so it definitely didn't break anything
[23:04] <Ddorda> sw0rdfish: okay :)
[23:04] <Ddorda> thanks
[23:04] <sw0rdfish> and i don't think that it does, in general but i'm just a rookie too so wait
[23:04] <sw0rdfish> for someone to tell you though
[23:04] <sw0rdfish> what kind of installation is yours? is it a newly formated server?
[23:05] <sw0rdfish> Ddorda?
[23:05] <Ddorda> sw0rdfish: linodes one
[23:05] <Ddorda> but yea, it's brand new one
[23:06] <sw0rdfish> see i don't even know what that means, i just started using linux not so long ago...
[23:06] <sw0rdfish> do you know how to change it
[23:07] <Ddorda> sw0rdfish: i guess it's just a simlink...
[23:07] <Ddorda> symlink*
[23:08] <sw0rdfish> new to linux too?
[23:08] <sw0rdfish> well i'd wait till one of the guys answers you :P
[23:11] <Ddorda> sw0rdfish: not really
[23:11] <Ddorda> about 6 years with linux
[23:11] <sw0rdfish> WoW!
[23:12] <sw0rdfish> well you'd have to know chsh is the right command to change it :P
[23:12] <Pici> Most people don't have sh or dash as their login shell, you shouldn't have to use chsh.
[23:12] <Pici> Its not part of update-alternatives, just change the symlink.
[23:12] <sw0rdfish> oh
[23:13] <sw0rdfish> well i dunno it worked fine for me, but yeah.... its not a big deal :)
[23:13] <Ddorda> well, i'm scared doing such a move on a production
[23:14] <sw0rdfish> production1
[23:14] <sw0rdfish> just symlink it then :)
[23:14] <sw0rdfish> mine is just a personal server :)
[23:15] <Ddorda> mine is too, but it's my production personal server :P
[23:15] <Ddorda> "just symlink it then"?
[23:20] <Ddorda> sw0rdfish: after looking, using bash instead of dash as default may cause things to brake
[23:20] <Ddorda> so i use it only on my user
[23:20] <Ddorda> + I installed bash-completion
[23:20] <Ddorda> works like charm :)
[23:21] <sw0rdfish> oh
[23:21] <sw0rdfish> bash-completion for dash?
[23:22] <sw0rdfish> Ddorda, what production ya mean, mate?
[23:24] <Ddorda> sw0rdfish: i don't speak weirdo pirates language
[23:24] <Ddorda> :D
[23:27] <sw0rdfish> pirates?
[23:27] <sw0rdfish> weirdo?
[23:28] <sw0rdfish> over "what production ya mean, mate?"