[01:44] <pfein> filling /boot can lead to mysterious problems
[01:44] <Jester45> why would you want to fill it
[01:54] <pfein> Jester45: I didn't on purpose.
[01:55] <Jester45> run df so you know whats going on with space :)
[02:00] <nextse7en> Does xubuntu come with a wireless network utility so I don't have to type in my ssid?
[02:02] <Jester45> it has a utility to setup your network but i think you still have to type it in
[02:03] <nextse7en> Odd, its see's the wireless interface, both in lspci and in the network settings dialog. But when I type in the ssid, and the other info its asking for, I'm still not connected.
[02:03] <Jester45> did you press connect
[02:03] <nextse7en> I don't see a connect  button.
[02:04] <Jester45> i do not think it being  in lspci means its working
[02:04] <nextse7en> Right, but its also in Network setting dialog, it recognizes it at a wireless connection.
[02:05] <Jester45> its a check box
[02:06] <nextse7en> Ahh yes, I have enabled it, I wonder if I need to specifie dns servers for it as well.
[02:07] <Jester45> it would probly be the ip of your router
[02:33] <Jester45> how can i look at my cpu temp?
[02:33] <Jester45> acpi way
[02:36] <Jester45> nevermind i got it
[03:33] <woodtech> I am trying to solve sounds under xubuntu; everywhere I go I'm refered to system / preferences / sounds, but at least my install of xubuntu does not have that.  Am I missing something in my install ?
[03:35] <Rockinghorse> Accessories System Settings
[03:36] <woodtech> I don't happen to have that as an entry in my menu's either ...
[03:36] <Rockinghorse> Really? I do
[03:37] <woodtech> I know, I did a full install right from a freshly burnt CD ..
[03:38] <Rockinghorse> It's a kde app, may not be in ur install.
[03:38] <Rockinghorse> have you tried alsamixer?
[03:40] <woodtech> That runs and shows volume, etc. I can play a movie etc. What I'm after is notification sounds etc
[03:41] <woodtech> It's like my system is totally on mute unless I play a movie
[03:46] <woodtech> if it's a kde app would you happen to know the name/path that I might just directly call it?
[03:46] <woodtech> I know in ubuntu there are sounds associated with system events,etc.
[03:46] <Rockinghorse> I was just trying to find it.
[03:47] <woodtech> Is that an aspect that is not included in xubuntu?
[03:47] <woodtech> Oh, great thanks
[03:48] <woodtech> I was running Vista, and just got tired of the extremely sluggish performance so I thought I'd go back to linux.
[03:48] <woodtech> Figured, xubuntu would be the best for performance
[03:49] <Jester45> knoppix is pretty fast for being kde
[03:50] <Jester45> gentoo would probly be 2nd best with lfs be first for speed
[03:50] <Pelo> evening folks,  I need a little help to make a shortcut which I can't seem to get back,    the rename applet that comes with thunar,  can someone check the launcher in the menues and tell me what the command to start it is ?
[03:50] <Rockinghorse> application, settings, settings manager not on ur menu, woodtech
[03:50] <Jester45> Pelo, the multipule renamer
[03:51] <Pelo> Jester45,  yes
[03:51] <Jester45> hold on
[03:51] <Pelo> that's the single most usefull utility I've ever encountered
[03:52] <Jester45> i dont know the command but you can get it by selecting 2 or more files and pressing rename
[03:53] <Pelo> Jester45,  I don'T run xubuntu,  I'm in ubuntu, it's not installed by default,  and even if I reinstall it ( which i just did ) the menu entry disapeared  and I can't seem to get it back
[03:53] <woodtech> Yes, I have that and it has 'Sound' as an option but that only lists 'useful controls'
[03:53] <Jester45> look in /usr/share/applications
[03:53] <Pelo> Jester45,  thanks
[03:55] <Pelo> ThunarBulkRename %F
[03:55] <Pelo> thanks Jester45
[03:55] <Jester45> welcome
[03:55] <Jester45> i would of looked for you but i deleted mine
[03:56] <Rockinghorse>   the only thing I can think is adjust your settings from KDE and then maybe they will carry over in Xfce?
[03:57] <woodtech> Ok, thanks I'll give that a shot. Hadn't thought of switching to KDE and back.
[03:57] <Jester45> what are you trying to fix
[03:57] <Rockinghorse> That sound utility seems like it has a pc speaker option. Is it turned on?
[03:58] <Rockinghorse> You can CTRl at bkspc and log in for kde session. then do the same to come back to xfce
[03:58] <woodtech> Yes, I played a sound clip/movie clip from my /home/{username}/examples folder and sound was great
[03:59] <woodtech> Ok, thanks guys appreciate the pointers.
[03:59] <Rockinghorse> Good luck
[03:59] <Jester45> Rockinghorse, why not just log out or restart g(k)dm
[04:00] <woodtech> Bailing to give your advice a go....
[04:00] <Rockinghorse> I alwasys ctr alt bksp to quit my session and then choose my window manager and log bk in.  You could run 2 sessions same time, but is memory hog.
[04:11] <Jester45> Rockinghorse, have fun when something messes up because you instantly kill all gui programs
[04:14] <Rockinghorse> Jester45:  have fun when something messes u: like what might happen?
[04:15] <Rockinghorse> In that case I guess I would have to restart KDM or GDM
[04:16] <Jester45> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[04:16] <Rockinghorse> I always close open windows before  I do this, anyway, Jester45.  OK, thanks for the tip!
[04:18] <Jester45> its a harsh way to go down but better
[04:19] <Rockinghorse> OK, I will try it sometime.
[04:20] <Rockinghorse> I'm looking at themes rite now at xfce-look.org
[05:15] <magic_ninja> is there a better mp3 to ogg converter then soundconverter, i find it quite buggy
[05:21] <test3r> So, has ne1 had the chance of getting one of the new Dells shipping with ubuntu???  Are they really going to do More boxes like that (per the rumor)?
[05:24] <Rockinghorse> The ubuntu forums have a special Dell section
[05:26] <test3r> oh you're kidding? That is so pimp- I'm glad to have played a (small) part in getting it all together
[05:29] <Rockinghorse> Well, I didn't say *that*
[05:30] <test3r> lol?  Erm, you're right- I was the one that called it "pimp."
[05:50] <pfein> how do I get the little panel applet update notifier thingy?
[06:22] <pfein> how do I get the synaptic update notifier applet in the panel?
[06:25] <Jester45> thats a gnome thing
[06:25] <Jester45> i think
[06:26] <pfein> Jester45: is there anything similar?
[06:26] <Jester45> not that i know of
[06:26] <Jester45> i just use cron to upgrade
[06:26] <pfein> yeah, ok
[06:26] <Jester45> they all do
[06:27] <Jester45> synaptic is just a frontend to apt
[06:30] <Jester45> apt-get update updates list apt-get upgrade upgrades
[06:30] <Jester45> apt-get install packagename and apt-cache search TERM
[06:30] <Jester45> apt-get remove packagename
[06:33] <Jester45> hi BFTD
[06:35] <BFTD> hi
[08:16] <test3r> a portable mp3 player. with bluetooth headsets.  Does anyone else think this is ridiculous? or is it just me?
[08:17] <Catoptromancy_> depends
[08:17] <Catoptromancy_> would be cool for a few people to listen to same mp3 with headphones
[08:18] <test3r> I'll take my $$$ to Big Lots (discount store) and get a gig player (a 1/4 the storage size) for just $30 as opposed to the $500 that fancy bluetooth thing probably costs
[08:18] <Catoptromancy_> I remember hunching around my friends when we had 1 walkman and 3 headphones
[08:18] <test3r> I dont know Anyone that has bluetooth headphones
[08:18] <Catoptromancy_> ya
[08:18] <Catoptromancy_> heh
[08:18] <Catoptromancy_> but in theory it would be really cool
[08:19] <test3r> didnt bluetooth itself possibly cause prob in your brain though? like cell phones do?
[08:19] <test3r> the wavelength of that being right on your ear for extended times like that
[08:21] <Jester45> i dont think its a problem
[08:22] <Jester45> radio waves are allways flowing around you
[08:23] <test3r> Yeah I just ran a quick search - apparently bluetooth and wifi operate on diff frequencies than cell phones of course, & those frequencies used are micro waves & they say it should be fine
[08:23] <Jester45> the only problem i would think of is some smart guy making a laptop override your music with advertisements or just a high pitched noise
[08:23] <test3r> don't you need a transmitter capable of doing that bandwidth tho?
[08:23] <test3r> like - i cant make my wifi card do cell phone freq - Can I ?
[08:23] <Jester45> like my phone's ring
[08:24] <test3r> or Can I?
[08:24] <Jester45> you can make bluetooth do it
[08:24] <Jester45> i got a walke-talke that picks up cell phones
[08:25] <Jester45> or maybe that was just house phones
[08:25] <test3r> yeah but that means youd have to have a hacker thatHAS a laptop that has a bluetooth sender that has proper drivers to allow him to send manual commands and script those commands
[08:25] <test3r> i know the new ones come built in
[08:25] <Jester45> a hacker WOULD hack the drivers
[08:26] <Jester45> and a hacker would probly have some handheld device
[08:26] <test3r> still its not an ez task.  and those things certainly dont use the drivers i use for wifi
[08:26] <Jester45> it just a matter of time before he can send a signal to your headphones
[08:26] <test3r> the hardware itself has to support the calls, too jester
[08:27] <Jester45> have you been to hackaday
[08:27] <Jester45> this 16-18 year old made a fusion reactor
[08:27] <Jester45> or fission t
[08:27] <test3r> im skeptical but it could prob be done.  No I am poor. The only place I've been on vacation in my country is Mammoth Caves which was really cool
[08:28] <Jester45> hackaday is a website :)
[08:28] <test3r> and I'm sure the 16 year old used components that would generate the responses he seekt
[08:29] <test3r> he didnt substitute a blender for your kitchen in place of a transmitter
[08:29] <Jester45> ??
[08:29] <test3r> im saying - the bluetooth card has to be able to do it, to
[08:29] <test3r> too.  it has to take hardware calls of crazy types & stay working
[08:30] <test3r> not everyones cards are built like a brick-s***-house
[08:31] <test3r> it was only luck that taught me this. otherwise id prob still be trying to "look through the door instead of the window"
[08:32] <Jester45> your a very confusing person :)
[08:32] <test3r> I looked to get a job with the manuf. of my card, but they need very skilled people that can talk with it in binary & I'm not that good
[08:33] <test3r> jester> yes I am confusing sometimes, but I wasn't trying to be, just now.  =(   try to re-read it I'll look too
[08:33] <Jester45> i speak fluent binary
[08:34] <Jester45><PHONE_NUMBER>100100111001
[08:34] <test3r> yeah me too see<PHONE_NUMBER>01011101010101
[08:34] <test3r> =9
[08:34] <Jester45> dont ask what it is but its there
[08:34] <test3r> pay me $100/h to do that   =D
[08:34] <test3r> heh, no seriously though, the guys that do that to the wireless cards when they make them?
[08:35] <test3r> they setup things the card can do.  without them doing this
[08:35] <test3r> the card cant do anything special.  So - a large part of getting a laptop to intercept fone signals is having a bluetooth board that has been programmed by *NIX nerds.
[08:38] <test3r> speaking of praying hardware can do what you want it to do - I'm going to test our live CD on my buddies Sony VIAO laptop
[08:38] <test3r> i dunno if its sucha good idea tho- as his Down key is broke
[08:38] <Jester45> k
[08:38] <test3r> so doing any kind of menu would suck
[08:39] <Jester45> map it
[08:39] <Jester45> map down to idk... a windows key
[08:39] <test3r> oh Chit! good call.  where can i do that in XP for him?? Yes ill stick it to right-side MenuSelect key
[08:39] <Jester45> once your on the live cd that is
[08:40] <test3r> i think i used to see that option back in win98 but havent in yrs
[08:44] <Jester45> aaa the semi good o' days
[08:44] <Jester45> lots of crashes but no vista
[08:45] <Jester45> not even xp
[08:46] <test3r> lol this guy at my work bought Vista before he even knew me, & he haets it.  I had to hack the program chain of its output to get the saved DVD it produced to goto the correct spot after it finished the movie
[08:47] <Jester45> and well the opposite of what MS said it was
[08:48] <test3r> there was no other way around it aas it was deciding the link automatically and there seems to be no internal editor for these commands I speak of
[08:48] <Jester45> i had to use it at school
[08:48] <Jester45> i just uploaded the dv to my house and used mencoder
[08:48] <test3r> Vista? counter Productive?   baaaaaaaaah  lol
[08:49] <test3r> eh?  after making a DVD image with Pinnacle?
[08:49] <test3r> creating one from scratch. I dunno what else u can do with it
[08:49] <test3r> bu we are using it to make one from hrs and hrs of mini-DV footage
[08:49] <Jester45> i acted like that win the teacher was around
[08:49] <Jester45> but played flash games mostly
[08:49] <Jester45> as the video uploaded
[08:50] <Jester45> then i installed dsl to the computer when i was done
[08:50] <Jester45> great fun that was
[08:51] <test3r> What is Mencoder? you used that instead of Pinnacle? Does it have any transitions though? and what about overlay, chromakey, mixing, etc etc?
[08:52] <Jester45> dvd author also
[08:52] <Jester45> no i just converted it to a dvd
[08:52] <test3r> oic   =(   no we needed more than that because we still had to do Post
[08:53] <Jester45> i didnt care i gave 15 dollars to the club that class was for so my grade was like 130%
[08:53] <Jester45> TSA
[08:53] <test3r> if i just had footage id prob use Nero to recode it. the DVD creator with it is quite fast
[08:53] <Jester45> they force you to join if you want to be in the easy class
[08:53] <test3r> What kinda school IS this? hahahahaha
[08:54] <Jester45> high school
[08:54] <Jester45> if you want in the class you have to join
[08:54] <test3r> i didnt even join the marketing club when i was in eBusiness for two semesters. the teacher would go out to the bar with me afterword & we'd talk about stuff
[08:54] <Jester45> and you want the class because its easy
[08:55] <test3r> in HS?  baaaaaaaah - my Cousin? who is blonde and a fashion sucker? she took a year worth of college classes by the time she was done with HS
[08:55] <Jester45> im a slacker
[08:55] <test3r> I was working at a print place doing Typography when I was in 10th grade
[08:55] <test3r> getting paid to do it - and getting credit too
[08:56] <Jester45> my classes this year are
[08:56] <Jester45> 1) algebra3 (morning math thats GREAT)
[08:57] <Jester45> 2-3)computer networking
[08:57] <Jester45> 4 biology
[08:57] <Jester45> 5american government
[08:57] <test3r> heh, youve learned more Here about networking then you will in that class.....
[08:57] <Jester45> 6-7 computer networking agian
[08:58] <Jester45> and 8 is 20th centry american history 2
[08:58] <Jester45> thats my days
[08:58] <test3r> hey tho - see that's where we're alot diff - I didnt use linux in highschool I didnt have time. I was learning adobe,3d studio,etcetc
[08:58] <Jester45> 1-4 being 1 day and 5-8 being the 2nd
[08:59] <Jester45> did that last year
[08:59] <Jester45> mutlimedia stuffs
[08:59] <test3r> youve got four hours taken up by comp networking?
[08:59] <Jester45> webpage disign
[08:59] <Jester45> lol
[08:59] <Jester45> VERY easy year
[08:59] <test3r> frontpage doesnt count   ;p
[08:59] <test3r> right on
[08:59] <Jester45> and now i used mousepad/nano
[09:00] <test3r> lol, there is very good editor
[09:00] <Jester45> the class did it in steps the good way
[09:00] <test3r> that is for C? on here.  it can do XHTML im sure
[09:00] <test3r> it will auto highlight syntax and etc cool things
[09:00] <Jester45> text -> dreamweaver -> flash
[09:00] <Jester45> flash was gay because i couldnt use notepad
[09:01] <test3r> dreamweaver has been broke since i first tried it
[09:01] <test3r> flash you just have to put up with
[09:01] <test3r> kus flash is flash
[09:01] <test3r> there is only 1 flash
[09:01] <Jester45> flash=gay
[09:01] <test3r> heh, it's very picky, confusing, and unnessecarily hard, yes
[09:01] <Jester45> slow
[09:02] <test3r> I rly hope adobe does alot good for it.
[09:02] <Jester45> inefficient
[09:02] <Jester45> anti google
[09:02] <test3r> anti google? flash is not "Anti Google"
[09:02] <Jester45> google hates flash because it cant see whats in it and use that in the index
[09:03] <test3r> flash creates a OBJ tag
[09:03] <test3r> remember? tags?
[09:03] <test3r> =D
[09:03] <test3r> google should b reading the page the Flash is IN
[09:03] <Jester45> yea....
[09:03] <test3r> it should b embedded in a spot in the page determined by your layout
[09:03] <Jester45> a few tags do not equal a full page in html
[09:03] <test3r> personally
[09:03] <test3r> i prefer CSS for all positioning
[09:03] <test3r> coloring
[09:03] <test3r> and anything I can make it do
[09:04] <Jester45> like menus
[09:04] <test3r> CSS can make a nifty menu, yes
[09:04] <test3r> with a touch of javascript or not either or
[09:04] <Jester45> yea i got a menu with js on it
[09:05] <Jester45> kinda slower but not much
[09:05] <test3r> rly, tho, you want to stay away from those Especially now because , as you know, alot of people use "NoScript" plugin
[09:05] <test3r> there is a thing they taught me
[09:05] <test3r> first semester in design school -
[09:05] <Jester45> that classic text is good?
[09:05] <test3r> K.I.S.S.  - Keep It Simple Silly
[09:06] <test3r> no - the more basic you can have it and have it work and its good - Do That
[09:06] <Jester45> my teach say Keep It Simple Stupid
[09:06] <test3r> lol yes my version was the nicer version
[09:06] <Jester45> he was 9th grade science
[09:06] <Jester45> funny guy
[09:06] <Jester45> watched movies 1/2 the year
[09:07] <test3r> I had a very odd, cool, science teacher too. I've had dumb ones, too.
[09:07] <Jester45> lol
[09:08] <test3r> biology guy was smart. i student aid'ed for him.
[09:08] <test3r> chemistry teacher? she was a ditz.
[09:08] <test3r> luckily the back row was not as dumb as she was.
[09:08] <Jester45> my photoshop teach wasnt to good with computers so she had me do all her work
[09:08] <test3r> rofl
[09:08] <test3r> sic.
[09:08] <Jester45> neat smart board
[09:09] <Jester45> i messed with her a lot
[09:09] <Jester45> walking by the board when its "off" you tap the top right corner and there goes her email
[09:10] <Jester45> because it never was off just the projector you could still controll the computer with it
[09:10] <test3r> a "smart board" ?????  daaaaaaaaaaaaamn you lucky SOB ! hahahahahaha WE USED CHALK !
[09:10] <test3r> I used to write out pre-calc at 7:30AM
[09:10] <test3r> on the board in front of class
[09:10] <Jester45> or i got the on screen keybaord out and raced her
[09:10] <test3r> with CHALK
[09:10] <test3r> =\
[09:11] <Jester45> do you know what they are?
[09:11] <test3r> never seen one ever. I bet it's awesome.
[09:12] <Jester45> pretty much a 6ft sq touch screen with a projector for the image
[09:12] <test3r> that's so pimp. I want one on my fridge so it just hands me what I touch at.
[09:13] <Jester45> it has pens of diffrent colors they didnt write on the board but the board knew you picked it up and did the beryl annotate thing and made that colored lines
[09:13] <Jester45> that classroom was the best
[09:13] <test3r> i wouldnt want one in my living room though as id want to be able to recline - i think id still go with the wireless KB/Mouse  & projector on giant white wall setup
[09:14] <test3r> beryl annotate???????    =O wt- is That?
[09:14] <Jester45> the computers are core duos
[09:14] <Jester45> with 1gb ram
[09:14] <Jester45> pretty good when there is a whole class room of them
[09:14] <test3r> i have a gig on the xp box im doing the dvd on
[09:15] <Jester45> do you know what beryl is
[09:15] <test3r> a Class? of intels?  gawd
[09:15] <test3r> ud think they wouldve woke up by now
[09:15] <Jester45> its a umm linux thing
[09:15] <test3r> the principal still only uses Word tho im sure
[09:15] <Jester45> open gl window manger
[09:15] <Jester45> gives you the fancy cube for a desktop
[09:16] <test3r> isnt beryl some math things too????? I think I see that with fractals
[09:16] <Jester45> like a better faster version of MS's Aero
[09:16] <Jester45> (plus beryl was first)
[09:17] <test3r> thats what that Cube is? Ah Ha!  So- can I use that on a multi-boot laptop ? and have multi OS up for selection on that cube?
[09:17] <Jester45> well its like drawing on the screen
[09:17] <Jester45> ??
[09:17] <Jester45> no each face is a workspace
[09:17] <test3r> oh it just a drawing? you cant actually click that?
[09:17] <Jester45> you can have more or less
[09:18] <Jester45> i think the limits right now are 2-32
[09:18] <Jester45> 2 is weird
[09:18] <Jester45> its flat just 2 sites
[09:18] <test3r> bwaaaAAAHAHAHAH we need one that can launch multi OS at once and let us flip betwen them
[09:18] <Jester45> sides*
[09:18] <test3r> like they are workspaces in here
[09:18] <Jester45> well...
[09:18] <test3r> actually - u could run WINE in a workspace or sojmething eh?
[09:18] <Jester45> you could
[09:18] <Jester45> run xen
[09:19] <Jester45> + vnc localhost the guest os
[09:19] <Jester45> and full sceen it
[09:19] <Jester45> but that would be a slow thing
[09:19] <test3r> sick. yeah it sure would on a laptop with 512
[09:20] <test3r> =(
[09:20] <test3r> ah well I love it anyway
[09:20] <Jester45> start off with your xubuntu then take 3-10% speed for *nix oses and 45-60% for windows/mac OSs
[09:20] <Jester45> plus running beryl
[09:20] <Jester45> and vncing to all the OSes
[09:21] <Jester45> would be nice on a demo for something
[09:21] <test3r> true it would look nuts. I've seen shottd of that b4 tho i swear
[09:22] <Jester45> it would be nice
[09:22] <test3r> if the laptop will rly only increase load additional 60% for windows it would be able to do it.
[09:22] <Jester45> if it ran good
[09:22] <Jester45> it would be a lot easier on all *nix guest
[09:22] <Jester45> well
[09:23] <Jester45> it takes about 50% more power to go the thing in windows when running on xen then a native windows install
[09:23] <Jester45> and about 5% if your using a linux/bsd type
[09:24] <Jester45> OOO
[09:24] <Jester45> xen 4 ubuntu;s
[09:24] <Jester45> or 3
[09:24] <Jester45> host has a side
[09:24] <Jester45> then the other 3 have a side each
[09:24] <test3r> yeah linux itself on idle says its taking 1%
[09:24] <test3r> not even 3
[09:24] <Jester45> then... all 4 have cubes them selves
[09:25] <Jester45> yea but your not gonna idle the whole time
[09:25] <Jester45> 3*5%=15% idle about most likly less
[09:26] <Jester45> then say you open firefox it takes a lot longer to load
[09:26] <Jester45> xen it used a lot for servers
[09:26] <Jester45> me and vidd are setting up one now
[09:26] <Jester45> i got debian etch running and working on ubuntu
[09:26] <test3r> to run a session of thing for logged in user?
[09:27] <Jester45> we will have a os runningfor ftp http mail terminal host and idk what else
[09:27] <Jester45> its a fast virtualization
[09:28] <Jester45> its only faster when the OS can used the modifeded kernel
[09:28] <test3r> rightright
[09:28] <Jester45> so bsd linux unix and others nixs
[09:28] <test3r> but this way is moremore secure
[09:28] <Jester45> but mac and windows need to be full virtual
[09:28] <test3r> you're talking a multi-user setup yes?
[09:28] <Jester45> so just as slow as qemu
[09:28] <test3r> at a business or such?
[09:29] <Jester45> well
[09:29] <Jester45> me and vidd are the admins
[09:29] <Jester45> and only users other than customers
[09:29] <Jester45> there is a dom0 the host
[09:29] <Jester45> and then the virtual computers are domu
[09:29] <Jester45> im wokring on a gentoo one to
[09:30] <Jester45> that will just be my toy one
[09:30] <Jester45> yea its a lot safer
[09:30] <test3r> ..  huh! So - u just gana make a junker acc at some point to tester out with?
[09:31] <Jester45> because say the ftp os gets hacked or crashed or overloaded
[09:31] <test3r> gentoo.....  bLeLCh...  *Enjoy Your Compiling Time*   ;p
[09:31] <Jester45> we can set the ftp to only use 90% max cpu
[09:31] <Jester45> so we can ssh in kill it and mv a backup image in
[09:31] <Jester45> take the old one and make it offline and figure out what was wrong
[09:32] <Jester45> all as the http and others are still running like nothing happened
[09:32] <test3r> u dont ned gentoo to ssh in to fix it
[09:32] <Jester45> yea i know
[09:32] <Jester45> the gentoo is just for fun
[09:32] <test3r> wait mmmmmmm  er -\
[09:32] <test3r> so u mean internal LAN initiated ssh yes?
[09:33] <test3r> ur puting a firewall in front of sever bloking that yes?
[09:33] <Jester45> if i get its super optimized i might transfer it to a harddrive of mine and play with it non virtualized
[09:33] <Jester45> not yet
[09:33] <Jester45> its offline right now its getting hooked up
[09:34] <test3r> oh right - its not even turned on all the time either eh?
[09:34] <Jester45> our 1st server at vidd.us is firewalled but you can get in via ssh
[09:34] <Jester45> it doesnt have internet yet
[09:34] <test3r> isnt that a bad risk?
[09:34] <Jester45> its colecting dust
[09:34] <Jester45> not really
[09:35] <test3r> ive read a lot lately saying to turn external ssh off completely on your server
[09:35] <test3r> im pretty sure they can get in
[09:35] <Jester45> we yea
[09:35] <Jester45> well
[09:35] <Jester45> but its still getting setup completly
[09:35] <Jester45> and then will im moving it to the xen server
[09:36] <test3r> "Why dont you take your BAR ..!!! and shove it up your &$% ! IM WATCHIN TEEEE VOE !"
[09:36] <test3r> rofl i love this show
[09:36] <Jester45> right now i think the server running right now is a 2.2ghz 300mb ram
[09:36] <Jester45> its ok for what we are using it for
[09:37] <Jester45> the xen server is a storage hog as there are 5 installes on it
[09:37] <test3r> but thats 5 OSes yes? with apps?
[09:37] <test3r> or without apps yet?
[09:38] <Jester45> 1 with 4 without
[09:38] <Jester45> o and 1 clean version
[09:38] <Jester45> that we can use to setup new ones
[09:38] <test3r> hmmmm... its still better than u could do with just Winblows !  =9
[09:38] <test3r> sounds rediculous.
[09:38] <test3r> i want it in my House.
[09:38] <Jester45> i think were getting a 1tb raid arrray
[09:39] <Jester45> but im not sure
[09:39] <test3r> holy clothes worn on Sunday!  I cant afford that. can u set this up on a 500Mhrz box effectively?
[09:39] <test3r> lol?
[09:40] <Jester45> vidd's the hardware guy and maintains  im the software guy
[09:40] <Jester45> i cant afford that also
[09:40] <test3r> hmmmm... right on.  Hey so whats the thing i used eh
[09:40] <Jester45> i like using it
[09:40] <test3r> lemme chek my notes
[09:41] <Jester45> im just wanting to get to that networking class and teach the teacher
[09:41] <Jester45> ima be care full
[09:42] <test3r> there it is
[09:42] <Jester45> its at a college so ... i bet someone there knows more than me
[09:42] <test3r> XJED is  the program i was trying out.
[09:43] <test3r> ive found people tend to tell you most when you listen    =)
[09:43] <test3r> it sounds goofy - but it took me Years to truely learn that.
[09:43] <Jester45> well i talk a lot on irc
[09:43] <Jester45> mainly because it keeps me awake
[09:44] <Jester45> and i can talk while reading a webpage
[09:44] <Jester45> now i just need a little red dot like on older latops to control the mouse so i can leave my hands on the keyboard
[09:45] <test3r> I should find time to wipe the main disk on my main puter so I can use this on a widescreen monitor and gForce 6
[09:45] <test3r> or a touchpad
[09:46] <test3r> all that crap id have to re-install into windows tho!  man I dont think it will have the room  =(
[09:46] <Jester45> yea but then my hands would e way from the key voard and it would be almost like a mouse
[09:46] <test3r> not on the disk thats in there now.  You can open src in C in it and it auto-colors the syntax for you and things. It will be great for learning that and PERL as Im working with files
[09:58] <Jester45> Fortunately, most modern storage devices, such as SD and CompactFlash memory cards, are immune to magnetic fields. "There's nothing magnetic in flash memory, so [a magnet]  won't do anything," says Bill Frank, executive director of the CompactFlash Association.   Computers are slick tho.  If they made a computer that had feelings and could get sad
[10:07] <test3r> would they figure out how to make it cry?
[10:08] <Jester45> a motor and a value connected to a small pipe
[10:09] <test3r> it would have to not get inside tho! and not ever leak. altho if it was a walking thing, then it would already have some type of liquids inside of it to keep it going
[10:09] <Jester45> water cooling
[10:09] <Jester45> doesnt leak to offten
[10:10] <test3r> ive seen those custom cases! did you see that fish tank case?
[10:10] <test3r> that is insane. I recall the lyrics from the first Incubus album "if I had made me, I'da fallen apart BY now"
[10:11] <Jester45> http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/01/09/strip_out_the_fans/
[10:11] <test3r> I put my boxes together, though. but I dont do anything like that
[10:16] <test3r> the "Fish Tank" box was clearer water than that, had actual filters in place and gold fish IN the computer case
[10:16] <test3r> but yeah - same concept
[10:17] <test3r> ooooooooo its cooking oil
[10:17] <test3r> thats why its that color
[10:17] <Jester45> i wouldnt want to do that as you could get poop on everything and the fish could over heat
[10:17] <Jester45> :)
[10:18] <test3r> hahahahaha, well, I think that was part of the way they setup the liquid in it
[10:18] <test3r> is there a HeatSink in that one?
[10:19] <test3r> if one put a sink into the liquid itself it would dissipate even More heat
[10:19] <Jester45> http://www.everythingweird.com/entry/worlds-heaviest-neck-tumor/
[10:19] <test3r> ew! no thx lol
[10:19] <Jester45> look at it
[10:20] <Jester45> doctor says "hey want me to chop that off... its like 30 lbs of nothing"
[10:26] <test3r> off the coast of india last week they caught a prehistoric fish that has glowing eyes
[10:26] <test3r> it was just some farmer guy and everyone was stunned
[10:27] <test3r> or maybe not india, but the indies or such over there
[10:31] <Jester45> o
[10:35] <test3r> here is the article. took a sec. -
[10:35] <test3r> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070729/sc_afp/indonesiaenvironmentzoologysea_070729030649
[10:40] <test3r> =(   Well, EYE thought it was a cool fish.
[10:52] <K3rl0u4rn> chears, I'm looking for PDF password remover for xubuntu, do you know such a software ?
[12:33] <Rockinghorse> /me is gone...but he'll be baack...
[01:58] <phrozen77> hi there
[01:59] <phrozen77> could somebody with xubuntu feisty & thunderbird do me a favour?
[02:16] <K3rl0u4rn> phrozen77: what do you want ? don't ask to ask, just ask :)
[02:54] <phrozen77> well, the problem is as follows: after a suspend-to-disk on my laptop (and a subsequent crash) firefox and thunderbird have stopped working
[02:54] <phrozen77> i can start both
[02:54] <phrozen77> firefox comes up with its start or restore session screen
[02:55] <phrozen77> and no matter what i click on it wont show up, the process is running
[02:55] <phrozen77> same for thunderbird (besides the restoresession screen)
[02:55] <phrozen77> now i already spent the last 2 days troubleshooting it
[02:55] <phrozen77> following everything in the mozilla knowledgebase, to no avail
[02:56] <phrozen77> i even dpkg --purge'd both, deleted the remaining dir's in /usr/lib and ~/.mozilla and ~/.mozilla-thunderbird and reinstalled both packages
[02:57] <phrozen77> now i've compared the strace output of 2 thunderbird runs - one on my machine and one on a remote friends one
[02:58] <phrozen77> but no hints there
[02:58] <phrozen77> so, the question is, what do have ff and thunderbird in common that would prevent both from starting up properly?
[03:01] <phrozen77> (on a sidenote, according to the friendly ppl on irc.mozilla.org its a problem with the packager since the freshly downloaded version of ff works - ignoring the fact that it like worked a minute ago -> crash -> wont work -_-)
[03:10] <K3rl0u4rn> have yout tried downloading tar.gz file from mozilla.org and launching it with a different user account ?
[03:10] <phrozen77> K3rl0u4rn, the tgz from mozilla.org does work
[03:11] <phrozen77> even with the same user
[03:12] <K3rl0u4rn> Then something else got corrupted with your suspend-to-disk operation I guess
[03:12] <phrozen77> yup, very probably, but what
[03:12] <K3rl0u4rn> firefox and thunderbird not running may be side effect of something worse
[03:13] <phrozen77> like?
[03:13] <K3rl0u4rn> I'm not a linux expert but using synaptic, you may be able to ask the system to "reinstall" each of the currently installed package
[03:13] <K3rl0u4rn> but this sounds experimental, may be someone have a better advice
[03:15] <phrozen77> hrm
[03:16] <mariko> hello , how do i make a shortcut to synaptic on XFCE`s panel?
[03:19] <K3rl0u4rn> mariko: Applications > System > synaptic package manager
[03:21] <K3rl0u4rn> mariko: is it what you want ?
[03:21] <mariko> K3rl0u4rn, I`m tryinhg to create a shortcut icon on the top panel
[03:22] <K3rl0u4rn> ok right click on the top panel > add new item > launcher
[03:22] <K3rl0u4rn> then fill in anything you want, gksudo synaptic for example :)
[03:23] <mariko> K3rl0u4rn, thanks but gksudo synaptic doesnt work
[03:23] <mariko> i click and nothing happens
[03:24] <mariko> SORRY
[03:24] <mariko> it does work...
[03:24] <K3rl0u4rn> sure it does:)
[03:24] <mariko> can you tell me whats the command for google-earth then....\
[03:24] <K3rl0u4rn> I can't
[03:25] <mariko> oh......
[03:33] <mariko> can you tell me whats the command for the OO equivilant of excel?
[03:39] <K3rl0u4rn> mariko: hey you should have those in your standard menus, so please check already existing launchers
[03:40] <mariko> K3rl0u4rn, what I`m trying to do is to create shortcuts on the panel , I know i can launch it from the menu, but I can`t find the command in the menu...
[05:24] <MrChicken> Hello
[05:24] <MrChicken> Hello. I am running XUBUNTU, but I need to prevent non-admin users to shutdown the system. Can anybody help me?
[05:33] <MrChicken> Hello. I am running XUBUNTU, but I need to prevent non-admin users to shutdown the system. Can anybody help me?
[05:36] <K3rl0u4rn> MrChicken: you already asked, if nobody answers, please wait a little bit more
[05:37] <MrChicken> K3rl0u4rn sorry
[05:37] <MrChicken> I mean, I just need to diable the shutdown and restart buttons from the logout menu
[05:39] <zials> well... you could change its properties... but then someone could just change it back
[05:39] <TheSheep> zials: there is kiosk mode for xfce, but I'm not sure it includes this
[05:39] <MrChicken> how do I do that?
[05:40] <MrChicken> I mean...  I have this old Canon BJC-210, and I couldn't get it to work with any of the five or so drivers that CUPS suggested, and the one it recommended doesn't work. (I get an error saying that gutenprint-foomatic needs to be installed, but it's non-existent. I did install the only package that has both foomatic and gutenprint in the name, but didn't help.)
[07:37] <cellofellow> And now, after deleting to printer in CUPS to start off fresh, I have no Parallel option in the CUPS thing. Not Canon, Epson, or Normal Parallel, just all the other, mostly network based ports.
[07:37] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: online?
[07:38] <hyper_ch> anyone knows how I can search a couple of files for a string with bash?
[07:38] <cellofellow> grep
[07:38] <cellofellow> cat thefiles | grep thestring
[07:39] <cellofellow> simple
[07:39] <cellofellow> can be lots more complicated.
[07:39] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: recursive?
[07:39] <cellofellow> dunno...
[07:39] <hyper_ch> but I know (maybe) :)
[07:39] <cellofellow> I think it's just line-by-line
[07:40] <hyper_ch> I mean subdirectories
[07:40] <cellofellow> and using cat, you won't be able to tell which file it is. I never did figure out the syntax for fgrep
[07:40] <cellofellow> fgrep is powerful
[08:08] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: grep -R 'the string' the-files
[08:14] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: thx :) but I found already something else
[08:14] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: find . -exec grep "searchthisstring" '{}' \; -print
[08:14] <TheSheep> what a hack
[08:18] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I found it and it works
[08:18] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: but I guess yours is nicer ;)
[08:18] <TheSheep> grep -R works as well and is half less typing
[08:19] <hyper_ch> grep searches within files?
[08:19] <TheSheep> yes
[08:19] <TheSheep> grep 'needle' haystack
[08:19] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: and recursive?   grep -R "string" /path/to/dir/* ?
[08:19] <TheSheep> yes
[08:25] <Rockinghorse> /me is gone...but he'll be baack...
[08:25] <Rockinghorse> /me is gone...but he'll be baack...
[08:25] <Rockinghorse> /me is back.
[09:48] <Rockinghorse> /away
[09:48] <Rockinghorse> Rockinghorse is gone...but he'll be baack...
[10:05] <hyper_ch> wohooo, server up again and running
[10:23] <clefia> I just ran an update and upgrade with synaptic package manager. the updater quoted about 200mb of space needed
[10:23] <clefia> after the update i am left with 500mb less
[10:23] <clefia> i'm guessing the downloaded update files are still on my hard disk. where can i find and delete them?
[10:23] <hyper_ch> clefia: :/var/cache/apt/archives
[10:24] <hyper_ch> if you want to remove all the additional downloaded packages:   sudo apt-get autoclean
[10:26] <kstr> hi all
[10:28] <kstr> is there a way to easily change the partition wich is used as swap?
[10:28] <clefia> hyper_ch: thank you for the advice
[10:28] <hyper_ch> clefia: you're welcome... I got 1.1 GB in there
[10:43] <Lunis> is there an easy way to make launchers with the proper icons on the panel?
[10:47] <Lunis> i always have to dig around to find the right icons because the app launcher won't use the default icon for a program. :x
[10:47] <TheSheep> Lunis: you can make launhcers on the desktop, and the drag them into the list in the panel's launcher's properties
[10:47] <Lunis> TheSheep, if only the panel launcher creator was as intuitive as the desktop one :P
[10:47] <Lunis> TheSheep, that's exactly what I needed, thanks
[10:48] <hyper_ch> Lunis: buy him some beer ;)
[10:48] <TheSheep> Lunis: I hope they will integrate them finally
[10:48] <Lunis> hyper_ch, best i can do is donate some monopoly money :)
[10:48] <Lunis> TheSheep, agreed
[10:51] <Lunis> still buggy, need to do add item>add launcher, then drag the desktop launcher, then delete the 'new item'
[10:52] <Lunis> also, is there an alternative desktop? i hate not being able to drag a `rubber band` around multiple icons to delete/cut them
[10:56] <TheSheep> Lunis: there is the rox file manager which comes with it's onw desktop, same with Gnome's Nautilus
[10:56] <TheSheep> Lunis: they are working to replace xfdesktop with Thunar for some future version of xfce, but the development is slow
[10:56] <TheSheep> Lunis: you can open the 'Desktop' directory with Thunar if you need to do some advanced opretions on the files in there
[10:56] <TheSheep> Lunis: but keeping files on the desktop is generally a bad idea
[10:57] <Lunis> TheSheep, bad habit, i know, but a hard one to kick
[11:00] <TheSheep> clean desktop = clean mind ;)
[11:00] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: then I have a very dirty mind ;)
[11:00] <ghatak_mobile> Hi, How do i install and configure Compiz with Xubuntu
[11:00] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: no doubt it shows ;)
[11:00] <TheSheep> ghatak_mobile: same as with ubuntu, just use xfce4-session instead of gnome-session
[11:05] <ghatak_mobile> TheSheep: i was actually looking for a howto :)
[11:05] <TheSheep> ghatak_mobile: any luck?
[11:05] <ghatak_mobile> TheSheep: not Yet, may be you can point me in the right direction :)
[11:05] <TheSheep> http://ubuntuforums.com
[11:05] <ghatak_mobile> Right
[11:05] <Lunis> ghatak_mobile, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=compiz&titlesearch=Titles
[11:05] <Lunis> ghatak_mobile, always try the Wiki first, it has a ton of information
[11:05] <hyper_ch> !compiz
[11:05] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:05] <ghatak_mobile> Lunis: thanks, what about this package >> compiz-gnome , as i use xfce, would this install some gnome crap ?
[11:05] <Lunis> ghatak_mobile, don't know :)
[11:07] <TheSheep> ghatak_mobile: it will pull in some gnome libraries, but it will also give you a friendly graphical interface for configuring compiz
[11:07] <TheSheep> ghatak_mobile: so it really only depends on how much you are devoted to avoid gnome libraries :)
[11:07] <TheSheep> *avoiding
[11:08] <ghatak_mobile> how about metacity
[11:08] <ghatak_mobile> i dont want a new window manager
[11:08] <TheSheep> ghatak_mobile: you need a window decorator, xfce4 can't run together with compiz
[11:08] <TheSheep> ghatak_mobile: you can use emerald instead
[11:08] <TheSheep> ghatak_mobile: compiz *is* a window manager, by the way, if you don't want a new one, don't install compiz
[11:11] <ghatak_mobile> TheSheep: i thought metacity was required with Compiz
[11:11] <ghatak_mobile> i know compiz is going to be needed
[11:15] <TheSheep> ghatak_mobile: you need something that draws the window frames and buttons -- you can use metacity or emerald for this
[11:15] <ghatak_mobile> Ok, time to restart X
[11:15] <ghatak_mobile> brb
[11:19] <exw> i'm trying to help my brother over the phone to find the amsn icon for when he's adding amsn to the panel as an "application launcher" and i'm not running xubuntu.. Can someone here who is running amsn tell me where the icon is?
[11:20] <exw> "/usr/share/amsn/icons" ?
[11:39] <Rockinghorse> Cool, i just overheated my computer: first time :)
[11:43] <Rockinghorse> Rockinghorse is gone...but he'll be baack...
[11:43] <maxamillion> i don't think he understands the /me command all too well
[11:52] <Rockinghorse> Rockinghorse is gone...but he'll be baack...
[11:54] <zials> . . . its like the terminator all over again
[11:59] <mattgyver83_> Hey room.  How can i specify the screen resolution for xubuntu to use?
[11:59] <mattgyver83_> What its default is set to is positioned incorrectly
[12:11] <Rockinghorse> mattgyver83_: sudo dpkg reconfigure xconfig-xorg
[12:13] <nikolam> matt if you already have xubuntu running and xfce up you can go to Settings>display settings


[00:58] <blake> can someone help me with sound on my rpi
[01:00] <danny_> sound never works
[01:01] <blake> it works with raspian not mate
[01:02] <danny_> I'm just dumb and bitter
[06:30] <yanflap> anyone knows how to move backslash "\" to the button next to "z" ? it is currently next to "Enter"
[06:31] <yanflap> US layout
[06:34] <alkisg> sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration, and select the layout that matches your keyboard
[06:40] <yanflap> thank you, although it didn't do it :/
[06:40] <alkisg> Which layout did you select?
[06:41] <yanflap> English (US)
[06:43] <alkisg> $ setxkbmap -queryrules:      evdev
[06:43] <alkisg> model:      pc105
[06:43] <alkisg> layout:     us
[06:43] <alkisg> variant:    olpc2
[06:44] <alkisg> Sorry bad paste: $ setxkbmap -query
[06:44] <alkisg> rules:      evdev model:      pc105 layout:     us variant:    olpc2
[06:44] <alkisg> You can play with model, layout and variant
[06:44] <alkisg> The dpkg-reconfigure command shows dialogs for all 3 of them
[07:12] <aten> Hello dear friend
[07:13] <aten> Are u here?
[07:42] <binacity> hi,i have a question!!
[07:42] <binacity> can i install windows on this software ?
[07:43] <binacity> i mean can i use windows on this software?
[07:43] <binacity> can i boot and run windows ?
[09:58] <ubuntu-mate> 77
[10:04] <jere> ?
[10:12] <Blackisle> weird pm from ubuntu-mate?
[10:13] <ouroumov> ?
[10:43] <adrian> Hi
[10:43] <adrian> There seems to be a few problems with the window manager
[10:44] <Guest6280> Hola
[12:22] <markus__> mal nette grüße in die runde
[13:10] <beynav> anyone around?
[13:11] <ouroumov> beynav, hi
[13:12] <beynav> hi, I was just looking for some quick answers as to whether something like widgets exist for mate? I found screenlets but apparently that is no longer supported? Is there anything similar that is?
[13:17] <ouroumov> Ehm, I don't know sorry. Maybe ask the Forums? (Usually response time is quite fast)
[13:18] <ouroumov> ( And I mean, those forums here: https://ubuntu-mate.community/ )
[13:35] <armando_> anyone here?
[13:35] <ouroumov> sure
[14:01] <courd> hey, i am new to ubuntu and new to raspberry pi. I just installed ubuntu mate, i resized the file system, started downloading software that i like to use, but i noticed i wasnt gettig any audio over my hdmi port. i imagined that the setting to switch over to hdmi audio output would be in the audio settings since since this is the main way that everyone connects thier raspberry pi, but the setting is nowhere to be found. do you ha
[14:04] <ouroumov> hi courd
[14:04] <courd> hey, thanks for letting me know you are here :)
[14:05] <ouroumov> the last of your message was cut off courd, also please check the forums ( https://ubuntu-mate.community/ ) - I believe many rpi users have posted about sound issues. (
[14:09] <courd> yeah, i googled and read a few things, someone said to try pulseaudio volume control, i ran a few scripts in terminl, but no luck yet. ill keep searching. thanks
[14:12] <jj_> join
[15:06] <alexarnaud> Hello all :) !
[15:08] <alexarnaud> I'm using Mate 1.8 with multiple screens and panels on all the screen.
[15:08] <alexarnaud> Do you know why when I unplug a screen all the panels are on the remain screen ?
[15:10] <ouroumov> hello alexarnaud
[15:10] <alexarnaud> hello ouroumov :)
[15:11] <ouroumov> alexarnaud, are you using Ubuntu MATE ?
[15:11] <alexarnaud> ouroumov: I'm using Debian 8.5 with Mate
[15:11] <alexarnaud> ouroumov: I'm using it for accessibility reasons (visual-impairment).
[15:12] <ouroumov> alexarnaud, in that case, maybe that would be a better question for the #mate channel. Current supported versions of Ubuntu MATE use MATE 1.12.1
[15:12] <sixwheeledbeast> #mate maybe best for that question
[15:12] <sixwheeledbeast> oh
[15:13] <alexarnaud> ouroumov, sixwheeledbeast: you're right but is the behavior appear on your mate version?
[15:13] <sixwheeledbeast> Never tried MATE with multiple screens TBH
[15:13] <ouroumov> alexarnaud, I'm unable to check at the moment (I have no dual screen setup here)
[15:13] <sixwheeledbeast> I have a large screen and flick between workspaces
[15:15] <manoj_> hi
[15:16] <sixwheeledbeast> bye
[15:22] <alexarnaud> ouroumov: sixwheeledbeast: thanks you very much for your quicks replies
[15:23] <sixwheeledbeast> alexarnaud: np
[15:23] <ouroumov> alexarnaud, no problem. Just FYI you might have to wait a while and stay connected to the channel for anyone to answer your query.
[16:03] <chebit> hello, I have problem with installation ubuntu mate. My pc is old And don't haven support for video card
[16:03] <chebit> but, ubuntu 12.04 work fine
[16:04] <chebit> with the process update... sistem crash.. I need Help for know some alternavite
[16:04] <chebit> alternative
[16:06] <ouroumov> hi chebit
[16:07] <ouroumov> chebit, can you boot the live USB?
[16:09] <chebit> yes
[16:09] <chebit> I can,
[16:09] <chebit> The Lubuntu is it more light that Ubuntu Mate ?
[16:10] <chebit> do you know?
[16:22] <nomic> no
[16:22] <nomic> use mate
[16:22] <nomic> mate is better supported than lubuntu
[16:24] <rahtgaz> nomic: sorry, but that is not correct. Lxde has as good a support as MATE
[16:25] <rahtgaz> chebit: very likely it won't make a difference. Lubuntu will require less RAM on start, but you can customize Ubuntu-MATE down to 300 Mb RAM on start too
[16:25] <ouroumov> chebit, what do you mean "the process update" are you doing a clean install from disk or something like an update from 12.04?
[16:25] <rahtgaz> Your crash on process update needs to be investogated
[16:26]  * rahtgaz agrees with ouroumov. 'Please explain better what is happening, chebit'
[18:06] <mostafa12> hello
[18:11] <jack__> hello
[18:11] <Akuli> hello jack__
[18:11] <jsphillips86> The Minecraft installer in the boutique isn't working
[18:12] <jsphillips86> http://pastebin.com/m4qJZ0BV
[18:13] <Akuli> seems like the installer is old
[18:14] <Akuli> http://askubuntu.com/questions/764147/trying-to-install-minecraft-on-ubuntu-16-04
[18:20] <sixwheeledbeast> I imagine the minecraft on boutique is old
[18:22] <sixwheeledbeast> jsphillips86: the website has been updated and looking at your logs this is why it could have failed
[18:23] <jsphillips86> Yeah, that's what I figured.
[18:23] <jsphillips86> I'm getting it going manually
[18:24] <sixwheeledbeast> jsphillips86:  I installed it manually without a PPA, just doesn't show in applications
[18:25] <Akuli> you can create your own .desktop file to add it there if you want to
[18:25] <sixwheeledbeast> Yep just make a launcher with   java -jar /home/[user]/[location]/Minecraft.jar
[18:26] <jsphillips86> I'm going to make a script in /opt
[18:26] <Akuli> /usr/share/applications is full of example .desktop files
[18:26] <Akuli> you can also create one in ~/.local/share/applications
[18:26] <Akuli> if you want it user-wide
[18:26] <sixwheeledbeast> you'll also need the latest java 1.8.0 openjre here
[18:27] <jsphillips86> I'm using the oracle one since it is recommended
[18:28] <sixwheeledbeast> ok, works fine on openjre. Had no issues server or client
[18:29] <jsphillips86> K. It's setup. Just need to get nvidia card going and/or bumblebee
[18:36] <jsphillips86> actually, MC is running 60 fps on the intel card. Might just skip using nvidia
[19:53] <Guest90610> hey guys im having issues reversing the polarity of my mainframe
[19:53] <Guest90610> jk, I can't find playonlinux in the software manager
[19:53] <Guest90610> any ideas?
[20:30] <simon_> hello,whz wont chromium start up on mz pi_
[20:35] <rahtgaz>  y key broken?
[20:55] <mate|63527> Hi! :). What's on the agenda?
[20:56] <mate|63527> Does anyone know when ubuntu-MATE 16.10 is out of Beta?
[20:57] <mate|63527> Anyone?
[20:59] <mate|63527> O.K. This isn't working....Bye. :-(
[21:42] <mate|72115> hello everybody
[21:42] <mate|72115> someone can help me please?
[23:10] <Asriel> Compiz isn't appearing in mate tweak after installation. hep?
[23:10] <Asriel> *help
[23:55] <DarkPsydeLord> hi :)


[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[08:01] <bkerensa> dholbach: good morning
[08:01] <dholbach> hi bkerensa
[08:01] <bkerensa> dholbach: Where in Germany are you based?
[08:01] <dholbach> Berlin, why?
[08:01] <bkerensa> Oh I am coming to Berlin in August or September
[08:02] <dholbach> cool :)
[08:03] <bkerensa> Hopefully September so I can take a rest after Debconf
[08:03] <bkerensa> But yeah we have a work week there.... Going to be interesting trip :)
[08:24] <czajkowski> good morning folks
[08:26] <czajkowski> dholbach: how is the noggin today?
[08:27] <dholbach> what's the noggin? :)
[08:27] <popey> pip pip
[08:27] <czajkowski> dholbach: the head ?
[08:27] <czajkowski> you know post world cup
[08:27] <dholbach> ahhh ok
[08:27] <czajkowski> :)
[08:27] <dholbach> doing well, thanks :)
[08:27] <dholbach> how are you?
[08:27] <czajkowski> not bad, I've a loud snoring pug at my feet, so all is right with the day so far
[08:28] <czajkowski> no travel for an entire 3 weeks this month \o/
[08:28] <czajkowski> then I hit Munich
[08:36] <dholbach> I'm quite close to Munich right now - probably just 15m by train :)
[08:37] <czajkowski> oh nice I'm over there to run a hackathon
[08:37] <czajkowski> http://www.mongodb.com/events/munich-hackathon-internet-things open to all if you know anyone interested
[12:42] <dpm> popey, do you know any folks who'd want to add phone translations for British English http://projects.davidplanella.org/stats/utopic/en_GB - I'm sensing a lack of patriotism there! :)
[12:45] <popey> i do!
[12:46] <popey> do you have a link I can point people to, to get started?
[12:46] <popey> oh the quickstart guide at the top?
[12:47] <nigelb> heh
[12:48] <nigelb> I fully expect the error message to say "Bollocks, something went wrong!"
[12:48] <belkinsa> That would be cool!
[12:49] <belkinsa> And hey everyone.
[12:50] <popey> hah
[13:09] <jcastro> mhall119, top of the hour right?
[13:10] <nigelb> :D
[13:14] <mhall119> right
[13:15] <jcastro> thanks for the reminder email
[13:15] <jcastro> that was <3
[13:15] <jcastro> I always forget
[13:15] <jcastro> even though it's on my calendar
[13:15] <mhall119> I always send one :-P
[13:32] <dpm> popey, sorry, I got distracted with something else. Yes, the quickstart guide is the best place to start
[13:34] <jose> mhall119: session at 9 right?
[13:51] <mhall119> jose: in 10 minutes, which is 10am for me
[13:52] <mhall119> dholbach: FYI, the UOS dates we picked overlap OpenStack Summit, we should probably move it forward or back a week
[13:52] <dholbach> ugh
[13:52] <dholbach> why didn't anyone speak up? :-(((((
[13:52] <dholbach> I announced this on a bunch of mailing lists already
[13:54] <mhall119> dholbach: I know :(
[13:55] <dholbach> ok... I'll follow up
[14:47] <popey> dpm: i looked at the translations and amusingly the guy who has done most translations was someone I met randomly on a train a month or so back ☻
[14:48] <dpm> popey, wow
[14:49] <dpm> you seem to have a thing for meeting random Ubuntu people in trains!
[14:50] <popey> yeah
[14:53] <mhall119> it must be nice to have trains
[14:54] <popey> haha
[14:54] <popey> Choo choo!
[14:55] <popey> Which reminds me, I'm going on the beer train soon with the LoCo
[15:02] <czajkowski> popey: EGGS! :)
[16:08] <dholbach> all rightie - dinner time - see you all tomorrow! :-)
[16:12] <popey> dpm: why does US English not show in http://projects.davidplanella.org/stats/utopic - is that because US English is the default, and everything is a translation _from_ that?
[16:54] <dpm> popey, exactly
[16:54] <popey> got it
[16:54] <dpm> we don't have it in Launchpad for that reason, either
[16:54] <popey> put the call out on the uk loco list.. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2014-July/037751.html
[18:37] <pleia2> I did speak up, but I didn't know the dates until they were already decided ;)
[18:38] <pleia2> perhaps now that it's online with no venue worries, date selection for UOS could be a more open process? (not make it crazy, but at least so we could identify issues like the OpenStack conflict)
[20:23] <jcastro> pleia2, I think it should be more predictable
[20:23] <jcastro> like if it was "ODS + 1 week" or something
[20:23] <jcastro> or "XXX weeks into the cycle" or whatever
[20:24] <pleia2> yeah
[20:24] <jcastro> hey are you going to oscon?
[20:25] <jcastro> I didn't see you at TLF after those few minutes. :(
[20:25] <pleia2> unfortunately not, parting ways with my gallbladder that week
[20:26] <jcastro> yikes!
[20:26] <pleia2> it's been causing problems since april, time for it to go :)
[20:27] <pleia2> (it's why I was too sick to go to the last openstack summit)
[20:27] <jcastro> ah


[00:12] <itnet7> lol mhall119
[00:14]  * andreserl slaps itnet7
[00:14]  * RoAkSoAx slaps itnet7
[00:14]  * andreserl slaps itnet7
[00:14]  * RoAkSoAx slaps itnet7
[00:14]  * andreserl slaps itnet7
[00:14]  * RoAkSoAx slaps itnet7
[00:14]  * andreserl slaps itnet7
[00:14]  * RoAkSoAx slaps itnet7
[00:14]  * andreserl slaps itnet7
[00:14]  * RoAkSoAx slaps itnet7
[00:19] <itnet7> ROFL
[00:25] <mhall119> that's a lot of slapping
[00:25] <mhall119> you should do what he says itnet7
[00:26]  * MichelleQ just read all of that with a Three Stooges sound track
[01:14] <itnet7> ROFL
[01:51] <DammitJim> dammit... why is there no support for turbotax online for linux?
[13:17] <jck77> good morning
[13:28] <mhall119> morning
[13:49] <itnet7> Morning!
[14:13]  * andreserl slaps itnet7
[14:14]  * RoAkSoAx slaps itnet7
[14:19] <mhall119> damn man
[14:19] <mhall119> that's rough
[14:37] <itnet7> again??
[14:38]  * itnet7 hugs andreserl and RoAkSoAx !
[14:38] <RoAkSoAx> hehe
[14:38] <itnet7> I'm going to apply for all 30 positions
[14:38] <itnet7> ROFL
[14:43] <DammitJim> anybody going to CTIA?
[14:45] <mhall119> itnet7: do it
[20:23] <DammitJim> wow, I love xbmc's android app
[21:38] <reya276> Hello everyone
[23:26] <itnet7> mhall119: ping


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[17:03] <wxl> lynorian: didn't you report something like bug 1656399 ?
[20:15]  * pavlushka was looking for lubuntu 17.04
[20:16] <wxl> we're working on doing Alpha 2 right now
[20:17] <wxl> there's no release of Alpha 1. no one released anything
[20:17] <wxl> you can always grab a daily
[20:17] <pavlushka> wxl: yes, on it.
[20:20] <lynorian> wxl yes
[20:21] <wxl> lynorian: could you dupe one of those bugs? sounds like the same thing
[20:22] <lynorian> wxl done
[20:22] <wxl> lynorian: thank you my dear :)


[00:00] <zylstra555> sommer: Is there a way to cause the computer to reconnect every, say, 45 minutes or so?
[00:00] <zylstra555> sommer: Like, to drop its current connection, and reconnect?
[00:01] <sommer> zylstra555: from your ISP?  you could setup a cron job to restart networking I guess...
[00:01] <zylstra555> sommer: But, it is connected through a router, so that probably wouldent work
[00:02] <zylstra555> sommer: What if I set up a computer in a remote location to just sign into its FTP server every 45 minutes, and then disconnect? Do you think it could perhaps keep the connection up?
[00:02] <sommer> ya, what you might try though is a setting a cron job to ping an Internet host every so often... to make sure the connection is working
[00:02] <sommer> that's a good idea too
[00:02] <zylstra555> sommer: How would I do that?
[00:03] <sommer> zylstra555: you would need to have access to another outside computer I guess
[00:03] <zylstra555> sommer: Rather, what is the ping command? (I can get the Cron job up, I use Webmin for things like that, which, is my way of cheating CLI)
[00:03] <sommer> ah
[00:04] <sommer> zylstra555: this page covers it pretty well: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto
[00:04] <zylstra555> sommer: Is there a difference between scheduled commands, and scheduled cron jobs?
[00:05] <sommer> not sure what "scheduled commands" are... do you configure that through the gui?  I'd think they are the same things though
[00:05] <sommer> or they could be at jobs :)
[00:05] <zylstra555> sommer: Ill just go with Cron jobs, it should work fine
[00:06] <sommer> cool
[00:08] <keithclark> This may be a stupid question, but I have to ask.  I have ssh working but is there a graphical front end for it instead of using the terminal to start programs?
[00:09] <sommer> gnome-terminal :)
[00:09] <keithclark> :)
[00:10] <sommer> you could create a shell script with the commands you'd like to execute, then create a launcher
[00:10] <keithclark> Yeah, good idea
[00:11] <sommer> you'd probably want to setup ssh-keys if you haven't, to avoide having to enter a password
[00:11] <keithclark> No, I've not done that.  Is that easy to do?
[00:12] <zylstra555> sommer: Once again, thanks. Hopefully, pinging will fix the problem
[00:12] <sommer> yep, here's some instructions: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/openssh-server.html
[00:12]  * zylstra555 over and out
[00:12] <sommer> zylstra555: you're welcome
[00:12] <keithclark> Awesome, thanks
[00:12] <sommer> np
[00:14] <keithclark> Now, If I could just figure out port forwarding on my router
[00:14] <Deeps> www.portforward.com
[00:16] <keithclark> deeps, thanks....you guys are just a never ending information pool!
[00:19] <keithclark> Deeps, amazing database!
[00:37] <keithclark> Is there a way to distribute the computation of copying a dvd?
[01:19] <Cahan> somehow rtorrent is corrupting my filesystem and causing my server to freeze up (Ubuntu 7.04), and I need to boot a live cd and run fsck to fix it. rtorrent is run from a ReiserFS partition and is saving to an Ext3 partition if that helps
[01:34] <mindframe> Cahan, you using the most recent stable?
[01:34] <Cahan> whichever one apt-get installs, I only installed it this mornign
[01:34] <mindframe> bad idea
[01:35] <mindframe> http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/
[01:35] <mindframe> compile/install the latest stable
[01:36] <Cahan> mindframe, I see, thank you, brb then, need to fix the server first
[01:37] <kgoetz> if the rtorent in ubuntu is broken a bug should be filed
[01:38] <mindframe> if its not the most current stable then there are bugs :)
[01:39] <kgoetz> there are bugs in the most current stable too
[01:39] <mindframe> nothing that i've noticed so far
[01:39] <mindframe> and i use it quite a bit
[01:49] <Cahan> mindframe, you think I should remove the current install before compiling the latest one?
[01:50] <mindframe> yes
[01:50] <mindframe> apt-get remove --purge
[01:51] <kgoetz> Cahan: if your building from source checkinstall may be helpful to you.
[01:51] <kgoetz> (dont know if you've built stuff from source or no)
[01:51] <Cahan> not by had no, but I've read a guide once :p
[01:51] <kgoetz> also, backporting mifght work if your so inclined
[01:52] <Cahan> mindframe, is purge required? or would a remove suffice?
[01:52] <mindframe> well a few of the config syntax changed somewhere between those versions so yes
[01:52] <kgoetz> if you build from source you'll use different config file anyway
[01:53] <kgoetz> s/will/should
[01:53] <Cahan> righto
[01:53] <mindframe> i mean .rtorrent.rc
[01:53] <mindframe> version from apt might not even produce that
[01:54] <kgoetz> user configuration? i doubt its patched to remove stuff
[01:54] <kgoetz> !info rtorrent gutsy
[01:54] <ubotu> rtorrent (source: rtorrent): ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.7.4-2ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 285 kB, installed size 768 kB
[01:54] <kgoetz> what came before gutsy? i think thats what 7.04 will be
[01:55] <mindframe> feisty
[01:55] <mindframe> !info rtorrent feisty
[01:55] <kgoetz> !info rtorrent feisty
[01:55] <mindframe> heh
[01:55] <kgoetz> snap ;
[01:55] <kgoetz> ;)
[01:55] <ubotu> rtorrent (source: rtorrent): ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.6.4-1 (feisty), package size 314 kB, installed size 860 kB
[01:55] <mindframe> yeah that's a terrible version to use
[01:55] <kgoetz> !info rtorrent hardy
[01:55] <ubotu> rtorrent (source: rtorrent): ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.7.9-1 (hardy), package size 329 kB, installed size 924 kB
[01:56] <mindframe> i remember having quite a few problems with it when feisty was current
[01:56] <kgoetz> wonder if theres a backported version
[01:56] <kgoetz> or how hard a backport from hardy would be
[01:57] <mindframe> probably easier just to compile
[01:57] <kgoetz> i prefer to backport if i can, but each to their own :)
[01:58] <Cahan> tar -xvf right?
[01:58] <mindframe> yeah its nice to keep everything in-house
[01:58] <mindframe> zxvf
[01:58] <mindframe> then cd into libtorrent dir.  ./configure && make && sudo make install
[01:58] <mindframe> then cd to rtorrent dir and do the same
[01:59] <kgoetz> use checkintall if you can. makes it easier to remove the thing later
[01:59] <mindframe> they both have an uninstall option in the makefile
[01:59] <mindframe> make uninstall
[01:59] <kgoetz> you have to hang onto the source though
[01:59] <mindframe> true
[02:00] <mindframe> im gonna try out checkinstall
[02:00] <mindframe> looks neat
[02:01] <kgoetz> it works 'well enough' for small things. not sure i'd try to checkintall OO.o or Linux, but not tried :)
[02:03] <Cahan> huh, i have no C compiler installed
[02:03] <kgoetz> Cahan: not by default no
[02:03] <kgoetz> !be
[02:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about be - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:03] <kgoetz> bah
[02:03] <kgoetz> !build-essential
[02:03] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[02:04] <Cahan> thanks kgoetz
[02:04] <kgoetz> as factoids go, thats pretty useless
[02:04] <kgoetz> !b-e
[02:04] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[02:05] <kgoetz> alias
[09:48] <SwissPhoenix> Hi there, I just toying around with hardy and noticed that any eth interface other than eth0 is being renamed to eth#_rename. I tried adding more interfaces to the 70-persistent-net.rules file, but that does not the trick....
[12:12] <DsB> hi to all
[12:13] <DsB> how can i manage a proxy server install in ubuntu from the web browser, is there some pakage that will do that?
[12:26] <dthacker> ebox?
[12:55] <faulkes-> proxy server? depends on the proxy server
[12:55] <faulkes-> squid has a web ui built in with it iirc
[12:57] <Diogo_79> hi to all
[13:11] <Diogo_79> can i post some questions that i have about ubuntu-server
[13:12] <Diogo_79> ?
[13:24] <faulkes-> that is what the channel is for, you have no need to ask, to ask questions
[13:31]  * fromport like humble ;-)
[13:59] <BCMM> Is there a way to see the messages that scrolled on boot, over an SSH connection/
[13:59] <BCMM> the machine has no working monitor
[13:59] <Nafallo> cat /var/log/dmesg
[13:59] <BCMM> and some kind of error is happening during boot up
[13:59] <BCMM> hmm
[13:59] <BCMM> isn't that just teh same as dmesg output?
[13:59] <BCMM> i need to see the output of init
[14:00] <Nafallo> ah
[14:00] <Nafallo> serial?
[14:00] <BCMM> ah, how do you do that?
[14:00] <Nafallo> how to configure that beforehand II?RC
[14:01] <Nafallo> there are a page about it on help.u.c/community :-)
[14:01] <BCMM> thanks
[14:02] <BCMM> hmm what exactly do you mean by "serial"? what should i search for?
[14:06] <BCMM> does it require extra hardware?
[14:06] <Nafallo> yes
[14:06] <Nafallo> rs232
[14:07] <faulkes-> basicly you are connecting a serial console cable to another device which can see those messages
[14:08] <faulkes-> i.e. a console server (2511, 2611 in cisco land) or other manufactuer, but it could be another linux box, wyse terminal, etc..
[14:30] <Diogo_79> is squid capable of block ports?
[14:38] <Diogo_79> how can i configurate ubuntu to block msn and porno sites with squid?
[14:46] <faulkes-> that is best answered by going to the primary squid site
[14:46] <faulkes-> however, you can only block http based msn stuff, if you wish to either proxy or filter msn traffic, that is something you want to do with ip tables
[14:47] <faulkes-> as for porno sites, that's a bit trickier, squid allows you to do url regex filtering
[14:47] <faulkes-> so, you could tell it any url that contains "porn" or "sex" would be disallowed
[14:47] <faulkes-> I'm unusure if it does content level filtering
[14:48] <faulkes-> you might want to look at dans guardian for that (which is squid based iirc)
[14:48] <Diogo_79> ok, faulkes thanks for the help
[14:49] <faulkes-> squid is a bit tricky to learn for configuration but generally once you get the syntax down, you'll be good
[14:49] <faulkes-> the primary squid site has some good howto/material
[14:49] <Diogo_79> tel me one thing
[14:50] <Diogo_79> is there a good web administration utility for configuration of squid on ubuntu server
[14:50] <dthacker> Diogo_79: there are some lists you can pull in that list most of the adult sites, but you'll have to read the logs.
[14:50] <dthacker> and add sites as needed
[14:50] <faulkes-> Diogo: squid itself has a built in web management facility, I'm not sure about how much it covers as I don't use it
[14:51] <faulkes-> iirc it's just a cache administrator function
[14:51] <faulkes-> dans guardian may have more, you would have to investigate
[14:51] <dthacker> Diogo_79: no idea on the web utility. I just use the command line
[14:51] <Diogo_79> ok
[14:51] <faulkes-> and of course, it all depends on what you want / require in the way of a "web management facility"
[14:52]  * faulkes- is a firm believer in vi being the management facility
[14:52] <Diogo_79> web management only for a local computer with ssh access on ubuntu
[14:52] <dthacker> faulkes-: ++
[14:53] <faulkes-> "web management" is a very broad topic, you'd have to be more specific
[14:54] <Diogo_79> manage squid with the web bwoser on a client computer
[14:54] <faulkes-> and yes, you can configure web based management utilities for local/local lan only access
[14:54] <Diogo_79> sorry my bad english
[14:54] <faulkes-> I'm going to assume when you say "manage" you mean the ability to configure squid as required (i.e. add new rules, etc..)
[14:54] <Diogo_79> yes
[14:54] <Diogo_79> you are rigth
[14:55] <faulkes-> on that, I'm not sure what exists, although I can imagine that stuff does, in ubuntu particular, I could not say, other than squid does have it's own administrative server portion which is web accessable
[14:56] <faulkes-> to what extent it will meet your needs, you will have to look at it
[14:56] <faulkes-> primary site will give you that information I imagine
[14:56] <faulkes-> and no need to apologize for your english, this is a multi-national channel
[14:58] <Diogo_79> thanks
[14:58]  * faulkes- returns to beating on a rebranded bastardized version of IOS on a particular vendors switch
[14:58]  * faulkes- grumbles about it
[15:01] <Diogo_79> tel me faulkes is squid a firewall what i mean is that squid can filter or block inside traffic to internet
[15:02] <Diogo_79> but it cannot block outside trafic to inside local area network?
[15:11] <Tatster> Diogo_79: You may also want to have a look at Ebox (http://ebox-platform.com/ ) it's kind of like a web management framework.
[15:52] <chimp___> during installation of ubuntu server i didnt select the LAMP option, but i want to retrospectively, is it worth reinstalling the server (its a fresh install) or is there a package that will install them together seemlessly like the LAMP option is supposed to
[15:53] <Cahan> chimp___, your better off installimg the packages seperate imo
[15:53] <chimp___> Any reason Cahan?
[15:54] <Cahan> saves you installing things you don't need
[15:54] <chimp___> Ok :)
[15:55] <dthacker> what's an example of something LAMP loads that's typically not needed?
[15:55] <Cahan> apache ;p
[15:55] <Cahan> lighttpd ftw
[15:55] <dthacker> for specific use cases.....
[15:56] <Cahan> I don't know, I installed things as I needed them
[15:56] <chimp___> Basically im very new to all this, so if installing them seperately is difficult, then would the lamp option be simpler?
[15:57] <Cahan> chimp___, I did it for the first time a couple of days ago, there are good resources on the ubuntu site
[15:57] <dthacker> chimp___: tell you what, try it separately once, then if you find you are spending too much time installing, use LAMP next time.
[15:58] <dthacker> If you are in a hurry, use LAMP
[15:58] <chimp___> I imagine that doing it myself will at least teach me :)
[16:20] <mralphabet> chimp___: sudo tasksel
[16:49] <soren> ScottK: The postfix documentation clams that the default for virtual_alias_domains is $virtual_alias_maps. my virtual_alias_maps is set to hash:/etc/postfix/virtual, and I have a few @my-domain.com addresses in there. However, postfix rejects e-mails destined for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if I don't explicitly add my-domain.com to virtual_alias_domains..
[16:50] <soren> ScottK: Am I misreading the docs, are they faulty, or is postfix misbehaving?
[17:38] <soren> ScottK: Never mind. I apparantly need more hand holding from the documentation than everyone else :/
[19:11] <ScottK> soren: Glad you got it figured out.
[19:12] <ScottK> soren: Upstream for Postfix often suggests that the documentation is written with the advanced Postfix user in mind.  It's easy to get cross-threaded in there.
[19:14] <soren> ScottK: Yeah. The problem turned out to be that I needed a line like "ubuntu-dk.org dummy-value" in my virtual file.
[19:15] <soren> ScottK: The docs sort of led me to believe that it'd magically work if I just put a<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>in there, but that was not the case.
[19:15] <soren> I understand why, though.
[19:17] <ScottK> Upstream is reasonably accepting of patches to improve clarity of the documentation.
[19:38] <sainzeo> hello - i have an install of ubuntu server 7.10 on a parallels VM and it stalls when booting at running local scripts...any ideas?
[20:21]  * faulkes- grumbles at incorrect labelling


[08:37] <Kilos> ai! the joys of a good internet connection
[08:37] <Kilos> morning everyone
[08:37] <Kilos> Fetched 291 MB in 3h 10min 24s (25.5 kB/s
[08:37] <Kilos> now a reboot required
[08:37] <Kilos> hellooooo inetpro
[09:44] <magellanic> anyone know if jawug still runs?
[14:15] <K_K_N> hi all
[14:15] <K_K_N> anybody know where I can get a DB9 to RJ45 Serial Console Cable?
[14:15] <K_K_N> in the Durban or surrounding areas?
[14:38] <sakhi> Hello #ubuntu-za
[15:14] <Kilos> hi sakhi
[19:58] <inetpro> Hallo
[19:59] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos as well
[20:12] <inetpro> ok, time to go sleep
[20:12] <inetpro> good night
[21:03] <superfly> 0_o had to take the cat to the vet today. they need to do a small operation (remove a small lump from her skin), and it'll cost minimum $1000
[21:20] <K_K_N> evening all
[21:21] <K_K_N> anybody know where in KZN I would be able to buy a Cisco Console Cable (RJ45 to DB9)
[21:21] <K_K_N> ?
[21:22] <K_K_N> I have a serial to USB cable need the above cable to configure a cisco router


[00:01] <snap-l> They are, but the amount of whining is intolerable
[00:01] <greg-g> I don't believe it is whining
[00:02] <greg-g> I think it is real concerns when a company requires copyright *transfer* (not just a non-exclusive license) for your work so that they could produce a proprietary version. The rhetoric from the companies is pathetic compared to the real concerns of the volunteer developers'.
[00:03] <snap-l> Then don't contribute
[00:03] <greg-g> "trust us" is not an answer
[00:03] <greg-g> snap-l: exactly, and that is exactly what the companies are saying to the community
[00:03] <snap-l> somewhere in there is a compromise.
[00:03] <greg-g> that is why we have LibreOffice
[00:04] <greg-g> when the companies are saying, implicitly, "don't contribute here" but then on the other hand say "yay, we're a community/open-source project! We're cool!" that is a *tad* disingenuous.
[00:06] <snap-l> its' funny, but the more you tell people they're not welcome, the more they don't come around anymore
[00:06] <snap-l> and the more they tell their friends
[00:06] <snap-l> it's weird how that works
[00:06] <greg-g> :) true, so, guess what will happen to Unity?
[00:07] <greg-g> that's more of a statement/command than a question, I guess.
[00:08] <snap-l> Well, if it turns out that Haromony, Unity, and Community are just bullshit buzzwords, then we'll have some soul searching to do
[00:08] <snap-l> on whether we want to be a part of any of the above.
[00:08] <greg-g> interesting way to group/phrase that.
[00:09]  * greg-g would love to take the time to write a blog post about this :/
[00:09] <snap-l> I'm not close enough to it to make anything intelligent
[00:09] <snap-l> all I see are the results
[00:10] <jjesse> doesn't harmony fly in the face of everything JOno wrote in his book?
[00:11] <snap-l> jjesse: It's starting to make me think that the hardcopy is going up on Amazon soon
[00:11] <jjesse> i think i got a free soft copy someplace
[00:14] <snap-l> And there it goes.
[00:16] <greg-g> jjesse: I don't know if he even addresses copyright assignment/licensing agreements
[00:19] <snap-l> It mostly talks about Creative Commons
[00:20] <snap-l> Earlier I went into detail about why openness and transparency are important in volunteer
[00:20] <snap-l> communities. Dictatorial communities are something of an antithesis to this approach,
[00:20] <snap-l> and their leaders always face the risk of not being representative of the views of the wider
[00:20] <snap-l> community.
[00:20] <snap-l> -- Jono Bacon
[00:23] <greg-g> yeah, kind of related but not directly
[00:24] <snap-l> Yeah, sort of
[00:29] <snap-l> Have to say, I'm very disappointed with how I've perceived Canonical operating this cycle
[00:31]  * greg-g nods
[00:32] <snap-l> Seriously, if they prove Bradley Kuhn right, I'll be _pissed off_
[00:37] <greg-g> lol
[01:07] <jjesse> who is bradley kuhn?
[01:23] <snap-l> http://identi.ca/bkuhn
[01:26] <snap-l> http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1529.html
[01:55] <rick_h_> howdy, back to civilization (well computer)
[01:56] <rick_h_> did I miss anything while I was away?
[01:56] <greg-g> welcome back, rick_h_
[01:56] <greg-g> not a ton, just the implosion of the ubuntu community
[01:57] <rick_h_> oh yea? cool
[01:57] <greg-g> :)
[02:27] <rick_h_> Blazeix: crap, have things a bit prettier on arch, but even with the .38 kernel no dual monitor setup for me :(
[02:44] <rick_h_> Blazeix: what's the equiv of a -dev package for arch?
[02:47] <greg-g> oh man, first my buddy Pete from Minneapolis, now you. That Arch stuff :/
[02:47] <greg-g> ;)
[02:48] <rick_h_> yea, I'm going to get some nixternal love later I'm sure
[02:51] <nixternal> huh
[02:51] <nixternal> greg-g: don't worry about it, it won't take him long to get tired of arch
[02:52] <nixternal> after using arch for a bit, i came to the realization that arch is for people who are scared of gentoo and deathly afriad of slackware or lfs
[02:53] <greg-g> hah
[02:53] <slestak> i never did get grub right.  had to force windows bootloader to take over again
[02:53] <nixternal> rick_h_ will like it up until they do a python upgrade, then he will be in here flipping out
[02:53] <greg-g> slestak: suck :/
[02:53] <greg-g> nixternal: hahaha
[02:53] <slestak> been sould searching for hours.  ready to try sth different
[02:54] <rick_h_> nixternal: hey, that's me
[02:54] <nixternal> it was neat how arch dismantled themselves and made their distro useless for a week last year when they decided it was time to upgrade to python3. they broke everything with a single upload
[02:54] <rick_h_> lfs, oh hell no
[02:54] <rick_h_> just left ubuntu
[02:54] <nixternal> lfs was fun the first time
[02:54] <slestak> opensuse has some fans in my lug
[02:55] <nixternal> that's because of all the resources opensuse hogs, need all those fans to try and cool it down :p
[02:55] <rick_h_> if my system's going to break might as well have some fun
[02:56] <rick_h_> I've been saying I'm not canonical/ubuntu's target user anyway
[02:56] <greg-g> when "fun" == "time spent figuring things out instead of getting work done" I'm kind of not on board :P
[02:56] <rick_h_> might as well try some distro where I am the target user
[02:56] <nixternal> greg-g: when did the community implode? did I miss something? granted I have been doing 'Mark all as read' in Google Reader lately :)
[02:57] <greg-g> nixternal: I was exaggerating based on snap-l and I's discussion of the Harmony project
[02:57] <nixternal> ahh
[02:58] <rick_h_> what is this? I missed it I guess
[03:14] <Blazeix> hell yes arch is for people who are scared of gentoo, lfs, and slackware.
[03:14] <Blazeix> I think that could be said of every distro
[03:17] <Blazeix> rick_h_: what is -dev in ubuntu, is it bleeding edge?
[03:19] <greg-g> Blazeix: packages that provide the needed bits to build things that depend on them. Like, if you software needs foo to compile/build, you need to foo-dev installed. But you don't need it installed if you are just running the already compiled/built thing.
[03:27] <Blazeix> rick_h_: I haven't ever needed to install extra packages to do development like that.
[03:27] <Blazeix> though the majority of the compiling I do is handled via AUR
[03:28] <Blazeix> Is the dual monitor issue a known driver bug? It's rare to have dual monitors not work under any distro nowadays.
[04:29] <snap-l> Man, could Project Harmony have picked a worse name
[04:30] <snap-l> considering there's a group to prevent child abuse with the same moniker.
[04:30] <snap-l> And Harmony is the name of the Apache Java project
[04:30] <snap-l> which is what I was initially thinking folks were discussing
[04:41] <Blazeix> yeah, same sort of thing for Unity. I use Microsoft's Unity at work, and a while back I was testing out the game framework Unity.
[05:02] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pymAoh7KH64&NR=1
[05:08] <Blazeix> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-April/032988.html
[05:08] <Blazeix> snap-l: bullet point 6 ^
[05:09] <snap-l> Blazeix: Yeah, I saw that. :)
[05:31] <Blazeix> one of my friends wants to buy a book so he can begin learning about databases. Any recommendations?
[05:31] <Blazeix> He's a C developer, absoutely zero SQL experience
[05:31] <Blazeix> thinking about just pointing him toward an O'Reilly book
[05:35] <snap-l> Blazeix: What does e want to learn re: databases?
[05:36] <Blazeix> basic use in an application
[05:36] <snap-l> What language?
[05:36] <Blazeix> nothing to deep. He's trying to learn django and his lack of db experience is holding him back
[05:36] <snap-l> Well, shit.. just learn Django
[05:37] <snap-l> doesn't it have the DB stuff bolted on?
[05:37] <snap-l> All he'd need to know right now is stuff goes in, stuff goes out
[05:38] <snap-l> Or are you looking for things like creating users / grants, and the like?
[05:38] <Blazeix> I don't think he's happy with treating it as a black box
[05:38] <Blazeix> yeah, user permissions, creating tables, intelligent table design
[05:39] <Blazeix> actually, wikibooks might have something...
[05:39] <snap-l> I think he's asking for the impossible. :)
[05:40] <snap-l> wThe Beginning MySQL book from Apress is nice
[05:40] <snap-l> even has some code samples
[05:42] <snap-l> http://www.apress.com/9781590595350
[05:42] <Blazeix> ok, thanks. I just pointed him to wikibook's SQL lessons
[05:42] <Blazeix> Hopefully then he can learn more, and figure out exactly what he wants :)
[05:43] <Blazeix> ooh, that looks nice. Right now he's just using sqlite, though he has a postgres install on his server.
[05:44] <snap-l> http://books.slashdot.org/story/04/11/17/1827201/The-Definitive-Guide-to-MySQL-2nd-Ed
[05:44] <Blazeix> this might be good too http://www.apress.com/9781590594780
[05:45] <Blazeix> oh awesome slashdot review
[05:45] <snap-l> Yeah, that's also a good book
[05:49] <Blazeix> thanks, I sent the links over his way
[05:49] <snap-l> np
[12:13] <rick_h_> Blazeix: looks like just the mysql packages has the header files (at least things seem to be building)
[12:13] <rick_h_> as for the dual monitors: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/729788
[12:13] <rick_h_> I had seen somewhere someone fixing it with a .38 kernel update so had hoped the arch kernels would be the savior there
[12:43] <brousch> rick_h_: can't you downgrade your bios to the working version?
[13:20] <rick_h_> brousch: no, the version I was on is no longer available for download
[13:20] <rick_h_> they only ahve the last XX versions
[13:48] <rick_h_> hmmm, ok cool. So while I can't get the full 1920 display on the second monitor
[13:49] <rick_h_> I can set to the max xrandr/kernel/driver things it can do (
[13:49] <rick_h_> 1280x1024
[13:49] <rick_h_> and I can then set the monitor to not stretch the image
[13:49] <rick_h_> so nice wide bars on the sides of the display, but a set of pixels I didn't have earlier
[14:47] <brousch> 1280 pixel should be enough for anyone
[15:06] <rick_h_> lol, silly man
[15:07] <brousch> 1280x800 is the perfect resolution. my mbp tells me so
[15:24] <snap-l> heh
[15:56] <snap-l> rick_h_: So, how is Arch treating you?
[15:59] <brousch> jcastro: do you run a gmail notifier in unity? if so, which one?
[16:24] <jcastro> brousch: I don't
[16:24] <jcastro> there's a bunch of half finished crap ones though. :(
[16:24] <jcastro> brousch: ask on askubuntu.com and tag it software-recommendation
[16:49] <brousch> heh
[16:49] <brousch> a guy asked me which one i use because all he found were broken crap ones ;)
[17:11] <Blazeix> yeah, they're all in a sad state. I used to run Cloud Services Notifier, which I found to be the best
[17:12] <Blazeix> it at least integrates with gnome's keyring
[17:12] <Blazeix> you have to be careful, a lot of them are poorly written, and will either store your password in plain-text, or download and parse the html of the gmail web interface.
[17:27] <rick_h_> snap-l: so far so good, not had a lot of time behind the machine with the travels
[17:27] <rick_h_> so still getting things setup
[17:27] <rick_h_> taking a little longer than usual since I can't copy/paste my normal setup commands from the wiki I have
[17:32] <rick_h_> Blazeix: ping
[17:38] <snap-l> rick_h_: Cool. Will have to see what's up next time we meet
[17:38] <rick_h_> yea, good stuff
[17:38] <rick_h_> working on getting things setup to be able to do work on monday, wheee
[17:40] <snap-l> wewt
[17:49] <rick_h_> heh, so many years of training colliding
[17:49]  * rick_h_ loads up /var/www...oh...doesn't exist
[17:58] <Blazeix> rick_h_: /srv/http
[17:58] <rick_h_> yea, just mean that there's different ways of doing things
[17:58] <rick_h_> I finally got used to sudo service XXX and now it's /etc/rc.d/xxx
[17:58] <rick_h_> all good though
[17:59] <Blazeix> Whenever I'm on a ubuntu system now I type "/etc/rc.d/... damn. /etc/init.d/... damn"
[17:59] <Blazeix> then I usually give up
[17:59] <rick_h_> lol
[18:09] <snap-l> Interesting, I didn't realize that the Daisy format is designed for print-disabled readers
[18:09] <snap-l> and has a key that you get from the Library of Congress.
[18:09] <rick_h_> ?? Daisy format?
[18:09] <greg-g> e-text
[18:09] <rick_h_> ah, never heard of it before
[18:10] <snap-l> http://openlibrary.org/
[18:10] <snap-l> Was looking for a book in ebook format (Asimov's Guide to the Bible)
[18:10] <snap-l> and noticed that the Internet Archive had a copy of it
[18:10] <snap-l> but it's in protected DAISY format
[18:10] <rick_h_> interesting
[18:11] <snap-l> I have a copy of it in hardcover, but it's a big book.
[18:11] <snap-l> and was thinking there might be a way to get it in ebook format
[18:11] <snap-l> alas, I don't see a way (no pun intended)
[18:14] <rick_h_> Blazeix _stink_ snap-l widox anyone else: http://bmark.us/events.html
[18:26] <rick_h_> Blazeix: what flash player do you use?
[18:26] <rick_h_> package that is?
[18:28] <Blazeix> rick_h_: flashplugin from the multilib repo
[18:28] <rick_h_> k, cool
[18:28] <rick_h_> I saw a ton in AUR
[18:28] <rick_h_> and wasn't sure
[18:29] <rick_h_> wow, just a few deps there
[20:54] <jcastro> snap-l: we're leaving here in about 30 minutes
[21:12] <greg-g> ok, stackexchange is officially stupid
[21:13] <greg-g> I'm apparently logged into askubuntu with one account and meta.askubuntu with another. When I try to log out of meta.askubuntu it asks me to confirm that I want to log out, but it is confirming the logout of the username that is on askubuntu, not meta.askubuntu
[21:14] <rick_h_> oops
[21:14] <greg-g> and all I want to do is freaking request to merge two accounts, but I need 5 reputation points on askubuntu to even ask for help on meta.askbuntu, which is dumb as hell
[21:15] <greg-g> the account that is logged into meta only has 1, the one that is logged into askubuntu has 23, but I can't log out of meta, so, yeah, stuck. jcastro I blame you. ;)
[21:15]  * greg-g goes back to bookie stuff instead :)
[21:15] <jcastro> did you use a different OID each time or something?
[21:16] <jcastro> http://meta.askubuntu.com/users/1694/greg-grossmeier
[21:16] <jcastro> is you on meta
[21:16] <greg-g> yes
[21:16] <greg-g> user11778 is the one associated with LP account, greg.grossmeier is associated with my creativecommons.net account
[21:17] <greg-g> er, greg-grossmeier I guess
[21:17] <jcastro> oh
[21:17] <jcastro> so you need to go back and add the second OID to your account
[21:17] <greg-g> ah, I guess I just had to wait a few minutes for it to recognize that, now I'm greg-grossmeier on meta... will ask the question
[21:17] <rick_h_> greg-g: cheat? remove the cookies manually via firebug/etc
[21:18] <jcastro> greg-g: I just add multiple OIDs to my account, that way whichever one I use that day works
[21:18] <greg-g> rick_h_: I'm of the opinion that I shouldn't need to :) and I'll complain before I re-activate firebug ;)
[21:18] <rick_h_> heh, yea since you're good
[21:18] <greg-g> jcastro: yeah, but since the UI sucked balls initially, it created 2 accounts for me
[21:18] <jcastro> oh
[21:18] <greg-g> :), I'll figure it out from here
[21:23] <greg-g> jcastro: though, if you want to help (if you can, not sure) http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1260/please-merge-the-accounts-greg-grossmeier-and-user11778 . Don't feel obligated, I'm fine waiting.
[21:24] <jcastro> they usually get those fast
[21:24] <greg-g> cool thanks buddy
[21:24] <jcastro> I can't see user11778 though
[21:24] <greg-g> I swear that is what it told me I was
[21:25] <jcastro> oh well
[21:25] <jcastro> they'll sort it
[21:25] <greg-g> http://askubuntu.com/users/11778/user11778
[21:27] <jcastro> ah
[21:28] <jcastro> snap-l: leaving now!
[21:29] <snap-l> Cool