[00:15]  * wrst googles to see what lightspark is
[00:15] <wrst> coz_: looks interesting have you tried it?
[00:17] <coz_> wrst,  not yet ... I was going to attemtp it from it's  PPA    but havent gotten around to it yet
[00:17] <wrst> looks interesting hope it works, I might give that an attempt sometime
[00:18] <coz_> wrst,   yes it does sound interesting.. with    a dump feature for streaming stuff to a file could be nice
[00:21] <wrst> yes
[00:21]  * wrst exits for a while so natty can download updates
[00:22] <dabbill> is there a way to make it so that new windows open ontop of active windows?
[00:23] <coz_> dabbill,   I think that should happen by default!  is this unity or classic gnome
[00:24] <dabbill> coz_, classic gnome
[00:25] <dabbill> coz_, if i have say xchat open, and i try to open firefox it comes up behind xchat
[00:25] <coz_> dabbill,   ok me also.. let me check here to be sure
[00:25] <coz_> ooo
[00:25] <dabbill> coz_, its really anoying lol
[00:25] <coz_> dabbill,  is it only firefox  doing this?
[00:26] <dabbill> coz_, all programs
[00:26] <coz_> dabbill,  do you have compiz running also?
[00:26] <dabbill> coz_, nope, just metacity with transparency
[00:26] <coz_> mm
[00:27] <coz_> dabbill,   here it is opening  above xchat....  so something on that end...now to figure out what
[00:27] <dabbill> coz_, and it does it with any combination of apps
[00:28] <coz_> dabbill,  just to besure  in terminal        metacity --replace & disown
[00:29] <dabbill> coz_, [1] 11783
[00:29] <dabbill> bash: warning: deleting stopped job 1 with process group 11783
[00:29] <dabbill> coz_, still opening behind the active window
[00:29] <dabbill> coz_, firefox just opened behind my term window
[00:29] <coz_> dabbill,  mm  this is odd...
[00:29] <coz_> hold on
[00:30] <dabbill> coz_, i thought i read somewhere that it was a bug, but i cant find it again to make sure i read it right
[00:30] <dabbill> coz_, but all i know is its really annoying when i try to open downloads or something and it comes up behind my browser
[00:32] <dabbill> coz_, if i click a blank spot in the desktop and open something it comes up on top, other wise it comes up in the #2 position, as in right behind the active window, but on top of the other inactive windows
[00:32] <coz_> dabbill,    I am puzzled... in compiz of course you can adjust the focue prevention... in metacity  ...  not sure let me check that hold on
[00:33] <dabbill> coz_, okay thanks :)
[00:33] <dabbill> coz_, i dont even think i have compiz installed, but i was really drunk the other night lol
[00:34] <coz_> dabbill,   this is ubuntu natty  yes?
[00:34] <dabbill> coz_, yes
[00:34] <coz_> dabbill,  then compiz is installed and unless you chose  ubuntu classic desktop ( no effect)  compiz will start up automatically
[00:35] <dabbill> coz_, yea i just checked, compiz is installed, but i select classic desktop at the login window, i hate unity
[00:36] <dabbill> coz_, also on my Appearance Preferences i no longer have a visual effects tab.
[00:36] <coz_> dabbill,  well  if you chose "classic desktop"   instead of   "classic desktop (no effect)  then compiz starts up automatically
[00:36] <coz_> dabbill,   open gconf-editor  and maneuvr to   /apps/metacity/general  and see what is used under   "focus_mode"
[00:37] <coz_> dabbill,  also  in the same area   "focus_new_windows"
[00:37] <dabbill> coz_, focus_mode = click and focus_new_window = smart
[00:37] <coz_> mmm
[00:38] <coz_> dabbill,  ok  you can try to delete the config folders and restart  to see if that fixes the issue        sudo  rm -R ~/{.gconf*,.gnome,.gnome2}
[00:39] <coz_> dabbill, or hit  ctrl+alt+F1   log in and run that command
[00:39] <coz_> dabbill,  then   sudo restart gdm
[00:40] <dabbill> coz_, okay brb
[00:40] <coz_> ok
[00:45] <coz_> dabbill,   any change?
[00:47] <dabbill_> coz_, thanks, that worked
[00:47] <coz_> dabbill_,   very cool :)
[00:47] <dabbill_> coz_, it even fixed it so that when i do ctrl+alt+f1 i can read my txt :P
[00:47] <coz_> L)
[00:47] <coz_> :)
[00:48] <dabbill_> coz_, tho i have one other issue but not sure if its in gnome or the theme i am running
[00:48] <coz_> dabbill_,  what is it?
[00:49] <coz_> dabbill_,  is it a white triangle ?
[00:49] <dabbill_> coz_, on the bottom right of both my pannels there is a little circle that brings up the the resizing arrow on my mouse but does nothing
[00:49] <dabbill_> coz_, but the little circle is ontop of my trash can and power button
[00:50] <coz_> mm  I am wondering if it is a part of this bug #704105
[00:50] <coz_> dabbill_,   there is  a bug in gtk3
[00:50] <coz_> dabbill_,  it may be related to t his
[00:51] <dabbill_> coz_, okay, wasnt a big deal just thought i would ask :)
[00:51] <dabbill_> coz_, just moved my trashcan and power button over slightly :)
[00:52] <coz_> dabbill_,   no problem... but i do think it may be related to that bug
[00:52] <dabbill_> coz_, okay
[00:53] <dabbill_> coz_, i am really just glad to be back on linux lol, spent way to much time in windows over the past couple years
[00:53] <dabbill_> coz_, natty seems really stable tho so far
[00:53] <coz_> dabbill_,   well I understand :)   and yes I agree... natty is a bit of a change but it seems it will stay on my system :)  unlike a few other versions
[00:54] <dabbill_> coz_, :( that bug is back
[00:54] <coz_> dabbill_,  oooo
[00:55] <coz_> dabbill_,   something is definitly up on that end... is this a clean install of natty or an upgrade from maverick?
[00:55] <dabbill_> coz_, clean install :(
[00:56] <coz_> dabbill_,  oo... mm  ,,  ok stick around here and ask again... I cant think of what is doing this...if the config is getting corrupted again
[00:56] <dabbill_> coz_, first time i copied my home folder over from a VMWare Player install but that caused a lot of issues so then i just did a fresh install and copied over like my pictures and such
[00:56] <coz_> dabbill_,  I doubt the image transfer created this issue
[00:56] <dabbill_> coz_, yea
[01:02] <coz_> dabbill_,   so stick around... ask a bit later... someone may have a better solution
[01:04] <dabbill_> coz_, tried off and on for a day or so and your the first to try and help heh
[01:05] <dabbill_> coz_, and in the normal channel no one will even try to help cause i am running natty
[01:05] <coz_> dabbill_,    right because natty is testing  not released   #ubuntu is just for released versions
[01:06] <dabbill_> coz_, i know, just thought some one would try and help if they could :)
[01:07] <coz_> dabbill_,  no its fairly strict in that channel about which versions are being supported
[01:07] <coz_> dabbill_,  keeps it more organized that way :)
[02:25] <Adlai_> argh when is this ayatana api change going to be done
[02:45] <dabbill> when i open a new window or program it opens behind the current active window, anyway to fix this?
[03:17] <dabbill> when i open a new window or program it opens behind the current active window, anyway to fix this?
[03:48] <dabbill> when i open a new window or program it opens behind the current active window, anyway to fix this?
[04:12] <MTecknology> So.. somehow Firefox keeps reporting my default language is Romanian but the only language I know is English. It seems that it was fine up until 11.04. Any ideas why that would be happening?
[04:30] <dabbill_> when i open a new window or program it opens behind the current active window, anyway to fix this?
[04:43] <dabbill> when i open a new window or program it opens behind the current active window, anyway to fix this?
[04:59] <MTecknology> !repeat | dabbill
[05:04] <Adlai_> ooh never mind yay upgrade is working
[05:40] <hsa2> hello
[05:40] <hsa2> i installed 11.04 daily beta from usb disk, but my grub was gone
[05:40] <hsa2> when grub comes, it says file not found
[05:40] <hsa2> then i tried reinstalling grub, with grub's command line
[05:41] <hsa2> after setting root (hd0,<partition_here>) i sat setup (hd0) but it says > http://pastie.org/1476309
[05:44] <dabbill> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1470597
[05:45] <dabbill> that might help with the error 15 your getting
[10:13] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[10:14]  * eagles0513875 is debating about upgrading to natty
[11:10] <rork> In kontact when I activate the akonadi_gcal_resource in Kontacts Calendar, Kontact becomes unresponsive for a while and then shows the following error: Unknown error: (Unable to fetch item from backend). Did anyone else observe this behaviour or could it be caused by me tinkling with the network?
[11:24] <shotty> hi all, can anyone tell me how easy it will be to remove unity and install the newest gnome shell in natty please
[11:25] <bazhang> likely quite simple once it is further along
[11:26] <bazhang> shotty, currently Unity completely crashes for me, and gnome-shell won't install wanting something that can't be found
[11:27] <eagles0513875> hey bazhang
[11:27] <bazhang> hi
[11:27] <shotty> bazhang: I have used unity on the NBR and tbh, i hated it. Although, i have heard it will be much better in natty. So i will watch this space as i know that ubuntu devs usually have a way of making things just work. and i usually come round to all new implementations
[11:27] <bazhang> shotty, it is much better, there is an rss feed to watch natty changes as they happen
[11:28] <bazhang> shotty, well better theoretically (as it still crashes 100% of the time for me)
[11:30] <shotty> bazhang i will see if i can find the rss feed
[11:30] <bazhang> shotty, search terms natty changes rss feed got it for me
[11:31] <shotty> bazhang is that from the ubuntuforums?
[11:31] <bazhang> shotty, no, an rss feed (webpage) dedicated to natty changes
[11:31] <shotty> bazhang http://feeds.ubuntu-nl.org/NattyChanges
[11:32] <bazhang> shotty, bingo
[11:34] <shotty> bazhang brilliant! i just added it to my igoogle.
[11:34] <bazhang> :)
[11:35] <eagles0513875> bazhang: your not a kde user as well are you?
[11:36] <bazhang> eagles0513875, sure
[11:36] <eagles0513875> hows the plasma netbook version of natty turning out
[11:36] <eagles0513875> Maverick damn thing was soooo slow
[11:37] <eagles0513875> i reverted my install to the normal kde layout
[11:37] <bazhang> eagles0513875, no idea not running the netbook version
[11:38] <eagles0513875> tbh im starting at times to think plasma is a bit like flash on that desktop
[11:41] <eagles0513875> how is natty shaping up at this stage bazhang
[11:41] <bazhang> eagles0513875, very fast
[11:42] <eagles0513875> is it quite buggy?
[11:42] <bazhang> its alpha one, what do you expect
[11:43] <eagles0513875> lol
[11:43] <eagles0513875> to be quite buggy im tempted to try it on my netbook
[11:43] <eagles0513875> also curious to see if there is a rather strange issue i had
[11:48] <eagles0513875> for some reason when i install maverick on this netbook it didnt install grub to the MBR of the HDD but to the MBR of my usb drive
[12:14] <tom___> Hi. I'm trying to get a privately assigned IP on my eth0
[12:14] <tom___> after DHCP times out. I assume thats avahi's job
[12:15] <tom___> should zero conf networking work out of the box
[12:19] <eagles0513875> tom___: you trying to get it from a router or dhcp server?
[12:20] <eagles0513875> tom___: can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file plz
[12:20] <tom___> im running a small network lab and require a 169.254 address
[12:20] <tom___> i assumed my ubuntu machine would self assign itself one once dhcp timed out
[12:21] <tom___> ahh boom done it
[12:21] <tom___> i ran sudo dhclient eth0
[12:21] <tom___> now theres an eth0:avahi interface
[12:21] <tom___> ubuntu networking works in mysterious ways
[12:24] <eagles0513875> haha very
[12:24] <eagles0513875> dont forget you might experience issues since your on natty
[12:24] <tom___> yeah thanks
[12:24] <eagles0513875> no problemo
[12:24] <tom___> I run 10.10 on my server. had some good fun setting up the networking on that!!
[12:24] <eagles0513875> lol
[12:24] <tom___> I'm running PPPoE and vlan interfaces
[12:25] <eagles0513875> i use the /etc/network/interfaces file
[12:25] <eagles0513875> for mine
[12:25] <tom___> yeah, no GUI on the server
[12:25] <eagles0513875> even on kde i use that file as welll
[12:25] <eagles0513875> ya i have lucid on my server
[12:26] <tom___> I dont quite understand the relationship between /etc/network/interfaces the scripts that ifup invokes
[12:26] <tom___> and*
[12:26] <tom___> they seem to call on different configs
[12:27] <tom___> so ifup eth0 might sometimes complain an interface doesnt exist
[12:27] <tom___> but if its entered into /etc/ then ifconfig eth0 up will work
[12:27] <eagles0513875> tom___: havent had that issue
[12:28] <tom___> I think I mess too much :D
[12:28] <eagles0513875> with the file being in /etc/network though
[12:29] <eagles0513875> tom___: do you upgrade from one release to the next
[12:29] <eagles0513875> cuz i have always had nothing but major issues with it
[12:29] <eagles0513875> with doing that
[12:29] <tom___> only on my work netbook
[12:29] <tom___> server has been 10.10 from fresh
[12:30] <eagles0513875> speaking of netbooks
[12:30] <eagles0513875> i had a funny issue when cleanly installing mav on mine
[12:30] <eagles0513875> did you have the issue where it installed grub in the wrong location
[12:30] <tom___> hm I don't think so
[12:30] <eagles0513875> for me grub was installed to the MBR on my usb drive instead of to the hard disk
[12:30] <eagles0513875> so i couldnt boot unless i had the pen drive inserted
[12:31] <tom___> hah no way
[12:31] <tom___> I installed mine over the net I seem to remember
[12:31] <tom___> the advantage of being on an educational network ;)
[12:32] <eagles0513875> lol
[12:32] <eagles0513875> i think i did the same for it
[12:32] <eagles0513875> gonna try natty i think on here
[12:34] <tom___> some fany new GUI stuff going on
[12:35] <tom___> lots of updates every day
[12:35] <eagles0513875> gonna try out 4.6
[12:36] <tom___> whats that?
[12:38] <eagles0513875> kde
[12:42] <rork> I just had a full partition due to ~/.kde/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/main/soprano-virtuoso.log being filled up with what seems like the same line over and over again. I had to delete the file and reboot to get a (sort of) working OS again but I think some damage might have been don. E.G. when starting System Monitor I get "The file ~/.kde/share/apps/ksysguard/ProcessTable.sgrd does not contain valid XML."
[12:49] <rork> It doesn't seem to happen now, the process seems to have lasted for a couple of hours. I suggest KDE users to check their free disk space or this file.
[14:08] <g0bl1n> hi, I have a Asus 1215N with NVidia ION2 and OPTIMUS. This is 2 cards inside, one from Intel, and the powerfull other one from Nvidia. Nvidia proprietary drivers seem not to be working in 10.10 in NVIDIA OPTIMUS. Will this change in 11.04 ?
[14:08] <Daekdroom> When it comes to progressbars, update-manager always gets worse and worse.
[14:47] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[15:15] <dupondje> gnome3 will be added to Natty or ?
[15:23] <Daekdroom> dupondje, it will
[15:24] <dupondje> but its not available now ?
[15:27] <Daekdroom> dupondje, it's technically still not released
[15:27] <Daekdroom> The package versions are 2.91 by now or something, which is the development version before 3.0
[15:29] <dupondje> but those packages are not default in Natty now ?
[15:49] <popey> anyone running unity want to test something really quick and easy for me before I file a bug?
[15:51] <popey> nvm
[15:51] <trinikrono> unity keeps reseting?
[15:52] <trinikrono> i had to run it in qt
[16:09] <FloridaGuy> does 11.04 have a lot of bugs right now...or is it a pretty solid alpha
[16:10] <trinikrono> it works fine for me
[16:10] <trinikrono> just the 3d does work too good yet
[16:10] <trinikrono> * does not
[16:10] <trinikrono> go brave :D
[16:12] <FloridaGuy> ive used alot of alpha's over the years....think ill test 11.04
[16:15] <Daekdroom> Unity-qt looks dull to me :(
[16:15] <genii-around> Latest update I did about 5 minutes ago uninstalled the proprietary nvidia driver and nouveau hung machine... had to boot single with networking and manually reinstall nvidia-current
[16:15] <genii-around> ( back up now though, obviously )
[16:16] <Daekdroom> oooooo LibreOffice 3.3rc3 is available in the repos
[16:17] <FloridaGuy> trinikrono: witch is better....update-manager -d or do-release-upgrade -d....... altF2    brings up command box...the i put in update-manager -d    hit enter..and nothing happens
[16:19] <trinikrono> use the terminal
[16:19] <trinikrono> or  put gnome-terminal in the alt+f2 box
[16:19] <trinikrono> i would boot the iso if i where you
[16:22] <FloridaGuy> y
[16:28] <dupondje> Daekdroom: in a ppa or ? :)
[16:31] <BluesKaj> genii-around, yeah , I had to do that as well, then also had to use the recovery kernel and fix broken packages dialog to bootin
[16:38] <Daekdroom> dupondje, official repos
[18:19] <Daekdroom> Compiz package got an update.
[18:19] <Daekdroom> Maybe it'll fix Unity, maybe it'll blow up my system..
[18:19] <Daekdroom> Who knows..
[18:20] <evilvish> **boom**
[18:31] <charlie-tca> To really break it, change video cards between nvidia and ati a few times without reinstalling
[19:03] <nysosym> hi there
[19:04] <nysosym> what's the mac iso for?
[19:04] <nysosym> as far as i know, there isn't a mac with amd processor
[19:05] <patdk-wk> amd? I though it said 64bit
[19:06] <nysosym> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[19:06] <nysosym> amd64+mac
[19:06] <rww> "amd64" is the name of a processor architecture that works on amd64 and Intel 64.
[19:10] <Daekdroom> Intel EMT64, to be accurate
[19:11] <Daekdroom> Intel also has fully 64bits processors
[19:11] <duffolonious> heh, when I make a CompizConfig Settings Manager change - compiz segfaults
[19:12] <duffolonious> in libsigc
[19:21] <jakubo> hi, i wonder if only MY laptop hard drives are slow
[19:21] <jakubo> can anyone confirm that his are slow too?
[19:22] <jakubo> slow in terms of 30MB throughput while reading
[19:48] <jakubo> anyone here?
[19:48] <Daekdroom> Yes.
[19:55] <charlie-tca> but it doesn't seem like any one else has that issue
[19:58] <Daekdroom> !Schedule
[19:59] <Daekdroom> Aww. We're already past DebianImportFreeze
[19:59] <nysosym> i tried to boot the actual natty daily, but all i got was an empty window
[19:59] <nysosym> (Macbook Pro)
[19:59] <Daekdroom> Yesterday's daily had a faulty ubiquity (partitioner was crashing libparted)
[19:59] <Daekdroom> But I believe it has been fixed.
[20:00] <nysosym> fine, but ubiquity wont start :/
[20:00] <nysosym> just an empty window
[20:01] <yofel> Daekdroom: you can file manual sync / merge requests from debian until feature freeze
[20:01] <nysosym> i have the feeling, that ubuntu get worse every release
[20:04] <BluesKaj> nysosym, sorry to hear that you think that , but natty so far has been very stable for my setup , not one crash
[20:05]  * Amaranth gets intel GPU hangs
[20:05] <Amaranth> then again I'm poking at the internals of how compiz draws stuff to the screen so I guess I could be doing something weird to it :)
[20:05] <djustice> ubuntu is getting corporate!! :p you must bend and code to someone else's will..
[20:05] <djustice> you def dont do this for fun anymore..
[20:06] <nysosym> and i think there is no need to work in a terminal to get your system to work
[20:06] <djustice> it gets 'worse' until some serious money goes somewhere for something.. eg, unity, ayatanya, utools
[20:07] <djustice> imho, the problem is the packaging scheme.. not a single packager knows lintian top to bottom.. or that last change to the debian pkg standard..
[20:07] <djustice> too complex..
[20:07] <Amaranth> ha
[20:07] <djustice> too much work to maintain..
[20:07] <Amaranth> The packaging scheme is how we can do what we do
[20:07] <djustice> indeed..
[20:08] <djustice> crash, conflict, and regress. ;)
[20:08] <Amaranth> I haven't found a better system, the others aren't as complex but don't do as much either
[20:08] <djustice> srysry
[20:08] <djustice> makepkg<3
[20:08] <Amaranth> And for the simple cases handled by those others we have simplified packaging setups
[20:09] <jakubo> should i file a bug about hard drive speed then?
[20:09] <jakubo> there are plenty of forums about slow sata drives
[20:09] <Amaranth> Even the packaging for something like compiz is pretty simple: http://paste.ubuntu.com/555948/
[20:10] <yofel> jakubo: feel free to do so, use 'ubuntu-bug linux'
[20:10] <Amaranth> _really_ simple packages only need those last two lines
[20:11] <djustice> lol! that is not simple.. but ok. im away. apologies for trolling.. rly tho... makepkg.
[20:11] <Amaranth> jakubo: I have a feeling you're seeing https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12309
[20:11] <djustice> pacman sucks. but makepkg wins. dh_foo can burn in hell..
[20:11] <Amaranth> djustice: makepkg is "simple to use, simple system"
[20:12] <Amaranth> djustice: what you seem to want is "simple to use, complex system"
[20:12] <Amaranth> which no one has
[20:15] <Darxus> What's the difference between this channel and #ubuntu-testing ?
[20:16] <Daekdroom> Darxus, #ubuntu-testing is for ISO testing, apparently.
[20:16] <charlie-tca> this is for support for Ubuntu development version
[20:16] <Darxus> Huh, okay.
[20:16] <charlie-tca> and has people in it that answer questions.
[20:16] <Amaranth> djustice: dude you said ours was complex, look at the makepkg one: http://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/tree/compiz/repos/community-i686/PKGBUILD
[20:17] <charlie-tca> during actual ISO testing, people in #ubuntu-testing are very helpful, but most of the time, they aren't available.
[20:17] <Darxus> What's the situation with running natty under virtualbox?  In virtualbox 4 on maverick, the installer keeps hanging around "Preparing to install Ubuntu", both with the version from the maverick repos, and the maverick version from the virtualbox site.
[20:18] <djustice> Amaranth: that's 3 diff pkgz... and how is it complex? i don't see any python calls or sed -nr stuff.. no dh_autoconfig mess..
[20:18] <djustice> simple buildsystem and make calls...
[20:18] <djustice> pkgbuilds are bash
[20:18] <charlie-tca> Darxus: let me try it. I haven't run today's images yet
[20:19] <djustice> btw, chakra is rewriting pacman.. 'correctly'.
[20:19] <Amaranth> djustice: the dh stuff is "do all that build stuff for me", the script I posted builds compiz, compiz-core, compiz-plugins, compiz-gnome, compiz-kde, libdecoration0, and libdecoration0-dev
[20:19] <djustice> libakabei/cpkg
[20:19] <charlie-tca> Darxus: Is that the daily-live or alternate image?
[20:19] <djustice> understood..
[20:19] <Amaranth> djustice: and the sed stuff is because we care about integrating with the GNOME desktop so copy the metacity settings
[20:19] <Darxus> charlie-tca: That was a daily iso.
[20:20] <Darxus> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-amd64.iso from yesterday.
[20:20] <djustice> still.. the debian reference is too much to grok. bash is not.
[20:20] <charlie-tca> okay
[20:20] <djustice> arch/chakra make 20 pkgbuilds to every deb..
[20:20] <charlie-tca> that has issues today.
[20:20] <Amaranth> djustice: a "debian" package that didn't care about cloning metacity settings would be 13 lines
[20:20] <Amaranth> djustice: it's a makefile
[20:20] <charlie-tca> they worked yesterday, but I think they broke again
[20:20] <Amaranth> djustice: If you don't understand makefiles you shouldn't be making packages anywhere for anything
[20:20] <djustice> i know.. ;)
[20:20] <charlie-tca> Darxus: ^ ^ ^
[20:20] <Darxus> charlie-tca: Okay, cool, thanks.
[20:21] <Darxus> Should I try alpha1?
[20:21] <djustice> point is: that way is too complex. the entry bar is too high.
[20:21] <charlie-tca> Darxus: being alpha images, they break often now. You can try alpha1
[20:21] <djustice> user joe could look at my pkgbuild and maybe tell me what's wrong with it.. having never seen one before, but knowing bash..
[20:21] <Darxus> Yeah, I understand.  Thanks.
[20:21] <djustice> kk, im gone! *poof*
[20:21] <nysosym> is 3d support possible with virtualbox4?
[20:22] <Amaranth> djustice: how is #!/usr/bin/make -f\n %:\n dh $@ complex?
[20:22] <charlie-tca> nysosym: only with guest additions installed
[20:22] <Amaranth> djustice: that's all a lot of packages need, at least packages made on the same level as anything arch does
[20:22] <Amaranth> djustice: Again, it's complex because we're doing complex things :)
[20:24] <charlie-tca> Darxus: is that before disk partitioning?
[20:24] <Darxus> charlie-tca: Yes, I believe so.  It's still at saying please ensure you have 2.6gb free....
[20:25] <charlie-tca> Darxus: Went through for me. I am at the "Who are you? " screen
[20:25] <charlie-tca> How big is the virtual drive you gave it?
[20:26] <Amaranth> djustice: also that arch package isn't even doing the right thing :)
[20:26] <Darxus> charlie-tca: I'm trying today's image now.  The virtual drive was the default 8gb.
[20:27] <charlie-tca> Mine is installing here, using 12GB drive and told it to use the entire drive
[20:28] <Darxus> charlie-tca: It's gotten farther on today's image than it did on yesterday's image.
[20:28] <charlie-tca> Darxus: It does default to spitting the drive now, you might have to tell it to use the entire drive instead
[20:29] <charlie-tca> Okay, good. Day to day the images are broken right now, since it is still early in the cycle
[20:29] <Darxus> Makes sense, thanks for your help.
[20:29] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[20:29] <charlie-tca> good luck with natty
[20:30] <Darxus> Heh, "The installer encountered an unrecoverable error.  A desktop session will now be run...."
[20:30] <djustice> lol ;)
[20:30] <Darxus> Thanks.  I'm trying to see what the situation is for building wayland.
[20:40] <jakubo> is there a mdadm channel i could bother?
[20:47] <Darxus> My current theory is that the best option is to install with alpha 1, and *not* "download updates while installing".
[20:47] <Darxus> Because upgrading libc failed.
[20:48] <Darxus> Is virtualbox the best free option for installing natty on a virtual machine?
[20:48] <yofel> maybe bug 680328 - I see that with muon and libc-bin
[20:49] <yofel> Daekdroom: probably, I use kvm, but I don't care about 3D graphics
[20:49] <Darxus> yofel: Thanks.  What's the safest way to do upgrades?  apt-get?
[20:50] <yofel> usually update-manager will work fine, if it fails try apt-get
[20:50] <Daekdroom> Tab completion is a bless and a curse, isn't it?
[20:50] <yofel> I use aptitude, but that's personal preference
[20:50] <yofel> Daekdroom: oooops, sorry :D
[20:50] <Daekdroom> I know how it is.
[20:53] <jakubo> mdadm... is there anyone to refer to?
[20:53] <Darxus> jakubo: Mailing list?
[20:54] <jakubo> i mean in chat
[20:55] <Darxus> I know.  I doubt it.  The list is http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-raid
[21:56] <Daekdroom> It annoys the hell out of me that pidgin shows up twice at indicator-messages and liferea's indicator doesn't work :(
[22:01] <Darxus> Natty sure is... in early developement :)
[22:04] <BUGabundo> evening buddies
[22:13] <Darxus> Wow, I got aptitude dist-upgrade to finish cleanly.
[22:13] <Darxus> After removing brltty-x11 and brltty.
[22:16] <Darxus> And rebooting gives me nothing but a background.  But at least ctrl-alt-t still brings up a terminal.
[22:16] <charlie-tca> It still has issues :-(
[22:19] <Darxus> It still seems like a fine time for that.
[22:30] <sam-_-> which kernel will natty use?
[22:31] <yofel> 2.6.38 according to the UDS summary
[22:32] <sam-_-> yofel: ok. thx
[23:09] <alex_mayorga> I nuked my panels by mistake :( How do I get them back?
[23:11] <rork> alex_mayorga: which window manager?
[23:12] <alex_mayorga> rork: gnome
[23:12] <duffolonious>  alex_mayorga: I just run Compiz again
[23:12] <rork> no idea unfortunately
[23:12] <alex_mayorga> duffolonious: my card doesn't quite like compiz
[23:12] <duffolonious> oh
[23:13] <duffolonious> I think you can go back to classic gnome panel
[23:13] <duffolonious> by selecting the right session on login
[23:17] <Darxus> alex_mayorga: Just run gnome-panel ?
[23:18] <Darxus> alex_mayorga: FYI, "gnome" is not a window manager.  The window manager that ships with gnome is metacity.
[23:19] <Daekdroom> But classic gnome is using compiz as well by default.
[23:21] <alex_mayorga> Darxus: thanks on enlightening me
[23:21] <Darxus> You're welcome.
[23:21] <alex_mayorga> well both the upper and lower panels are gone
[23:21] <alex_mayorga> this is on classic gnome with no compiz as far as I know
[23:22] <Daekdroom> !panels
[23:22] <Daekdroom> Try that and then running the gnome-panel command
[23:23] <alex_mayorga> Daekdroom: thanks!
[23:24] <Daekdroom> No problem.


[05:59] <coz_> good day all
[09:01] <thorwil> good morning!
[09:06] <zniavre_> good morning
[09:06] <zniavre_> is that the time to report theme bug for natty ?
[09:07] <zniavre_> http://imgur.com/LTvwU.jpg
[09:07] <zniavre_> notification-aera does the same
[09:07] <zniavre_> but not indicator-"stuff"
[09:07] <coz_> zniavre_, yes that is pretty ugly
[09:08] <coz_> zniavre_,  try  in terminal     gnome-wm --replace & disown
[09:08] <coz_> zniavre_,  see if that fixes it
[09:09] <zniavre_> got a warning (in french) and it looks the same
[09:09] <coz_> mm
[09:10] <zniavre_> Avertissement du gestionnaire de fenêtres : L'écran 0 sur le visuel « :0.0 » a déjà un gestionnaire de fenêtres ; essayez d'utiliser l'option --replace pour remplacer le gestionnaire de fenêtres actuel.
[09:10] <coz_> zniavre_,  mmm the --replace should have worked
[09:10] <coz_> zniavre_,  do you have alt+F2  run dialog there on natty?
[09:11] <zniavre_> haha i do not know how to activate the natty one
[09:11] <zniavre_> it open launcher from "MY" pc
[09:11] <coz_> zniavre_,  i dont think it works in natty  I had to install gmrun
[09:12] <coz_> and assign alt+F3 in compiz commands for gmrun
[09:12] <coz_> ooo
[09:12] <coz_> zniavre_,  how did you get the panel to be so small on the left?
[09:13] <zniavre_> wich one?
[09:13] <coz_> zniavre_,  just below and to the left of  Capture.png
[09:13] <zniavre_> its awn
[09:13] <coz_> ah
[09:13] <zniavre_> it's*
[09:13] <coz_> :)
[09:13] <coz_> I am using cairo dock here :)
[09:14] <zniavre_> too many options for me
[09:14] <coz_> :)
[09:15] <zniavre_> ooopa baby is waking up i need to go
[09:15] <zniavre_> bbl
[09:15] <kwwii> hi all
[09:15] <coz_> zniavre_,  I know the   gnome-wm --replace & disown in terminal should have worked...it creates a new nux context
[09:18] <coz_> kwwii,  hey guy
[09:24] <kwwii> hey coz_, how's things?
[09:25] <coz_> kwwii,  pretty good thanks!   busy with compiz/unity and all ...how about you?
[09:26] <kwwii> coz_: good to hear, unity needs a lot of love :-) things here are good, except the fact that it is snowing again
[09:26] <coz_> kwwii,  snow here a well
[09:27] <coz_> Weather for: Pittsburgh, PA Updated: Mon, 06 December 2010 09:07:00 GMT Conditions are: light snow mist Current temperature: 25°F/-4°C Humidity: 80% Wind: From the West → at 13 MPH Gusting to 23 MPH
[09:27] <kwwii> coz_: sounds like the same weather here
[09:27] <coz_> kwwii,  well its definitly winter now :)   but i really like winter so it's not a big deal for me :)
[09:28] <kwwii> I think that if it is going to be cold it might as well snow as well
[09:32] <coz_> ")
[09:40] <zniavre_> i tought 10°c was cold ....
[09:40] <zniavre_> :o)
[09:40] <kwwii> ;-)
[11:57]  * thorwil wonders how to make the most of bzr/lp to handle releases
[17:11] <thorwil> vish: ah, delaying my reply has been a very good decision, as now you covered it all already! ;)
[17:12] <vish> thorwil: yea, i was worried you would have replied already, and how you would reply.. ;)
[17:12] <vish> hence replied your part ;p
[17:13] <thorwil> lol
[17:13] <thorwil> vish --simulate thorwil
[17:14] <thorwil> bbl
[19:13] <thorwil> vish: my turn then, i guess
[19:14] <vish> .. just replied.. :p
[19:14] <thorwil> heh
[19:14] <thorwil> ivanka: i'm sorry about cc-spamming, but at least i won't bother you now, as you are not here
[20:18] <thorwil> oh, some un-K-ing: http://dot.kde.org/2010/12/06/kde-announces-calligra-suite
[20:21] <woutervddn> hooba, huge changes comming up in linux-office land..
[20:37] <vish> heh, i wonder why it wasnt "Kalligra Suite"
[20:38] <vish> would have been konsistent, with their kommon naming methods..
[20:46] <thorwil> developing my little tools was all fun and games until installation and packaging
[22:45] <troy_s> vish: Odd. Comment didn't show up.
[22:48] <vish> troy_s: hmm, open id sucks ;)
[22:48] <troy_s> vish: Marked as spam. Lol.
[22:48] <vish> troy_s: ;p
[22:50] <vish> if comment is irrecoverably lost, i'll re-post it tomorrow..
[22:50] <troy_s> I have it.
[22:50] <troy_s> It just needed de-flagging.
[22:50] <vish> cool! :)
[22:51]  * vish ZZzz...
[22:51] <vish> catch you later..


[22:12] <eamanu> Hi!
[22:13] <eamanu> I maintain some package on Debian, and I would like to start with ubuntu.
[22:14] <eamanu> I don't understand, on d/changelog, I can see on Ubuntu packaging guide, that the version is xUbuntu1;
[22:14] <eamanu> but I am looking that there are some package that have the Debian version and not the xUbuntuY
[22:16] <eamanu> and the distribution is unstbale too?
[22:18] <RikMills> xubunty means there is a ubuntu specific change to the debian package
[22:18] <eamanu> ahhh
[22:18] <eamanu> ok, I understadn
[22:18] <RikMills> whwre there is not that, it means the package has been automatically or manually synced from debian unstable with no changes
[22:19] <eamanu> and it's ok if the distribution is unstable?
[22:20] <RikMills> for a synced package, yes
[22:20] <eamanu> well, I try to upload to my ppa a package for unstable, but I receive an error about unstable distribution
[22:22] <RikMills> yes, direct upload to a ppa requires a valid ubuntu release as the target
[22:27] <eamanu> oh.. ok.. I see.. great thanks RikMills
[22:46] <teward> JackFrost: until gcc-10 moves into testing from Unstable, the latest XCA is blocked
[22:47] <teward> and i want that to land in testing before I backport it in Debian
[22:47] <teward> since backports take from testing according to the backports site :P


[11:26] <knome> bluesabre, my gut feeling is that we could do with a single project for the whole release, just add a column for each "blueprint"
[11:27] <knome> but ofc, the development board might be a bit more complex than the, say, artwork one
[13:09] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Apply translations in lt @ https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/bca8743e86cc2505617429baa107d18e087abc90 (by transifex-integration)
[16:49] <bluesabre> knome: I'm fine with that. Maybe we have a column for each project to-do, a single in-progress, and a single done?
[17:00] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- Reminder: Next meeting chair is knome
[23:02] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Show Xfce Terminal launcher in the menu (LP: #1851387) @ https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/89105808079dfbd79ee317a33539553ce2a203fc (by bluesabre)
[23:02] <bluesabre> Oh, that's fast.
[23:09] <jphilips> bluesabre: saw your latest patch and think it wasn't the right move, as i was suggesting the terminal label should be renamed
[23:09] <jphilips> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16647
[23:09] <jphilips> patch has been submitted for over a month, but nobody has merged it
[23:12] <jphilips> being able to find terminal preferences in the menu is important IMHO


[07:38] <brimonk> I'd like to try out Ubuntu Touch, but I have a couple of questions. First, I have to back up all of my contacts and whatnot, and I tried to go into my contacts app and export, but the 'save' button is just greyed out.
[07:38] <brimonk> Anyone have any ideas?
[11:52] <andy__> brimonk: what sort of phone are you looking to back up and what operating system has it got on it?
[14:03] <ogra_> mterry, yo ... a lot better with the respawn limit ... you forgot pulseaudio-trust-stored though
[14:06] <ogra_> the fonts seem to work now ... top panel still turns transparent after the desktop fully started and there are plenty of other bugs, but it seems a lot smoother if the respawning doesnt eat all CPU cores all the time :)
[14:11] <mterry> ogra_: awesome
[14:12] <ogra_> i'll bomb you guys with bugs the next days ... lots still not working
[14:12] <mterry> ogra_: it looks like I didn't miss pulseaudio-trust-stored...  but it might take longer to crash, such that it doesn't hit the respawn limit?
[14:12] <mterry> ogra_: oh yeah -- u8 on Core isn't really supported yet -- there's lots of system services that aren't snapped yet
[14:12] <ogra_> well, i have about 100 lines from it on the console that i started the session from
[14:13] <mterry> ogra_: yeah I don't doubt it, just saying that I used the same respawn limit it with it that I did for the others it looks like.  It might need an even tighter limit to stop respawning
[14:13] <ogra_> mterry, right, but not only that ... i.e. when i use the store scope i can click install for snaps but the SSO signin page comes up invisible (i can see it if i slide to the rigth and the scope window is in spread mode)
[14:14] <mterry> ogra_: you shouldn't even have the store scope...  We removed that.  But noted
[14:14] <ogra_> there are quite a few of these displayish bugs
[14:14] <ogra_> well, it isnt on by default :)
[14:14] <mterry> ah
[14:14] <mterry> It doesn't let you install anything, not very useful
[14:14] <ogra_> no icons in scopes as well ...
[14:15] <ogra_> yeah
[14:15] <ogra_> well, i can see snaps in it though
[14:15] <mterry> Yeah
[14:15] <mterry> Do you see icons in the app drawer?
[14:16] <mterry> (app drawer is what pops out when you push to left of screen)
[14:16] <ogra_> yes, system-settings (which doesnt start) and the dash icon
[14:17] <mterry> ogra_: that's on the launcher?  Or even the drawer only shows those two?
[14:17] <mterry> Drawer doesn't show dash, so you must mean launcher
[14:17] <mterry> ogra_: push harder on left
[14:17] <ogra_> one sec
[14:18] <ogra_> ah !
[14:18] <ogra_> thats pretty much "launcher with drawer" then
[14:18] <ogra_> same icons as drawer alone
[14:18] <mterry> ok so both drawer and launcher have just the system settings?
[14:19] <ogra_> yep
[14:19] <mterry> Did you install other snaps?
[14:19] <ogra_> and the ubuntu icon indeed
[14:19] <mterry> (Settings is only app we pre-install)
[14:19] <ogra_> only pulse
[14:19] <mterry> OK, so that's expected
[14:19] <ogra_> and htop ... boith no desktop apps
[14:19] <mterry> If you install one, it should show up...
[14:20] <mterry> ogra_: graphical bugs might be useful to file, might mean a Mir problem.  But most other functionality bugs are going to be expected I think
[14:20] <ogra_> k
[14:20] <ogra_> it works astonishingly well otherwise
[14:21] <ogra_> oh, i cant minimize/maximize the scopes window ... is that expected ?
[14:22] <ogra_> hmm, installed terminal app ... doesnt show up
[14:22] <ogra_> i guess i have to restart the session to have it found ?
[14:27] <ogra_> ok, shows up in the drawer after reboot ... but doesnt start
[14:27] <ogra_> upstart: application-snap (ubuntu-terminal-app_ubuntu-terminal-app_34-) main process (4626) terminated with status 1
[14:27] <ogra_> upstart: Failed to spawn application-snap (ubuntu-terminal-app_ubuntu-terminal-app_34-) post-stop process: unable to mark cgroups for removal: Unknown error 196609
[14:28] <dobey> mterry: no, the store scope is there. it's the snappy store scope, not click scope
[14:29] <dobey> click scope is gone
[14:30] <ogra_> oh, seems terminal expects a unity7 interface ... that wont work
[14:30] <dobey> ogra_: it just gets run under xmir in that case which is fine. the cgroups issue is something else i think
[14:30] <ogra_> id xmir shipped inside the unity8-session snap ?
[14:31] <ogra_> *is
[14:31] <dobey> and it shouldn't be starting with upstart afaik
[14:31] <mterry> ogra_: is cgmanager running?
[14:31] <ogra_> mterry, the system one, yeah
[14:31] <dobey> should be systemd
[14:31] <ogra_> dotn forget that i am on a core image here
[14:31] <ogra_> different worlds :)
[14:32] <dobey> and i think snappy store won't work, if the policykit issue hasn't been fixed yet
[14:32] <ogra_> well, first of all it would be great to be able to see the SSO dialog at all :)
[14:33] <ogra_> but yeah, i worked my way through it blindly and got a dbus error at the end
[14:34] <dobey> well i have no idea about that part. but hopefully that scope and sso stuff are both going away soon anyway :)


[00:31] <robert_ancell> when is that GCC bug going to be fixed? Driving me insane...
[00:49] <robert_ancell> kdub if I set that destructor to default I get "/home/bob/bzr/mir-session-container1/tests/unit-tests/shell/test_session_manager.cpp:51:8: error: looser throw specifier for ‘virtual {anonymous}::MockSessionContainer::~MockSessionContainer()’
[00:49] <robert_ancell> In file included from /home/bob/bzr/mir-session-container1/tests/unit-tests/shell/test_session_manager.cpp:22:0:
[00:49] <robert_ancell> /home/bob/bzr/mir-session-container1/include/server/mir/shell/default_session_container.h:38:7: error:   overriding ‘virtual mir::shell::DefaultSessionContainer::~DefaultSessionContainer() noexcept (true)’"
[00:49] <robert_ancell> do you know what that means?
[01:16] <RAOF> robert_ancell: You need to mark your destructor as noexcept
[01:18] <RAOF> Which most destructors should be, because throwing from destructors is entering a world of std::terminate
[01:30] <RAOF> That should probably be a style-guide entry, really; there are optimisations available to the compiler if it knows something can't generate an exception.
[01:53] <robert_ancell> RAOF, so kdub suggested that this change should make them so (https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/mir/abstract-session-container/+merge/159523)
[01:55] <RAOF> robert_ancell: But your derived one isn't marked as noexcept, right?
[01:55] <robert_ancell> RAOF, the derived class doesn't have one, does it need an explicit one?
[01:55] <RAOF> Yes
[01:56] <robert_ancell> RAOF, and can I just do "= default" for the derived class too?
[01:56] <RAOF> If you've got a trivial destructor, sure.
[01:56] <robert_ancell> so in short every class that extends another needs an explicit destructor
[02:03] <RAOF> Grrr
[02:52] <smspillaz> robert_ancell: I suspect you have to do ~MockSessionContainer () noexcept = default;
[02:52] <smspillaz> oh. oops, didn't see the rest of the scrollback
[02:53] <smspillaz> in any case, I've had some trouble with default destructors on google mocks - you need to have an explcit or compiler generated destructor for some reason, dunno why
[02:54] <robert_ancell> smspillaz, thanks
[02:58] <smspillaz> robert_ancell: generally speaking it goes [virtuality] returntype function_name () [const-specifier] [exception-specifier] [body | =]
[04:49] <robert_ancell> Hmm, trying to assign a value with a shared pointer not working - any ideas? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5717823/
[05:10] <duflu> robert_ancell: Seems auto might be doing something you don't want. Make sure the RHS is a non-const shared_ptr of compatible type
[05:48] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Did catching session by reference rather than value in the lambda expression fix it?
[08:07] <alan_g> robert_ancell: morning!
[08:14] <robert_ancell> alan_g, hello!
[08:20] <alan_g> robert_ancell: "When I originally had the default destructor it stops the mock SessionContainer classes from working" - you mean compiling?
[08:21] <alan_g> That's because mocks have members with non-noexcept destructors, so you need to explicitly mark the destructor noexcept. (Which is valid when using google-test.)
[08:25] <robert_ancell> alan_g, right - I couldn't work out the correct syntax to mark them
[08:26] <alan_g> robert_ancell: ~MockWhatever() noexcept {}
[08:27] <robert_ancell> alan_g, just checking that..
[08:29] <robert_ancell> alan_g, I was just trying that - it only works once https://code.launchpad.net/~kdub/mir/nicemock-improvements/+merge/159465 lands
[08:32] <alan_g> robert_ancell: I see. (Or avoiding NiceMock ;)
[08:36] <robert_ancell> alan_g, so, should ServerConfiguration also use the same style destructor?
[08:38] <alan_g> robert_ancell: some of us have started updating stuff as we touch it - but it can get a bit "viral", so it isn't required. New stuff we do "right".
[13:58] <alf_> alan_g: @disallow-vt-switching-when-pause-fails, so the idea is to handle any exceptions (and report the relevant errors) internally e.g. in display->pause(), and have the high level functions just return bool? What if handle the exceptions (and reports) at the mid level and rethrow?
[14:01] <alan_g> alf_: It all depends if display->pause() failing is an exception or just a result. Looking at the code in DisplayServer::Private::pause() it seems easier for it to be a result.
[14:04] <alf_> alan_g: it's an exception which we can gracefully handle, failure is not really an expected result, but I guess the line is somewhat blurry in this case
[14:05] <alan_g> alf_: which code is simpler?
[14:13] <alf_> alan_g: the high-level pause() snippet is simpler now, but I am not sure if it will continue to be simpler when we add other components to the mix (e.g. pause the communicator, which will come soon. That's the reason I added ScopedAction, since the recovery was going to get unwieldy).
[14:14] <alf_> alan_g: internally there is no really difference in code complexity
[14:17] <alan_g> alf_: OK. In that case, can we define an exception type that carries the reporting context up to the top level and have a single exception handler doing the reporting?
[14:23] <alf_> alan_g: Hmm, not really, because we need to cross out of platform specific boundaries with a platform specific issue/context (DRM failure). The highest level at which we know what is going on is inside display->pause() (hence my suggestion to catch, report and rethrow).
[14:24] <alan_g> alf_: what I don't like about that is the eventual catch and ignore
[14:25] <alan_g> alf_: that's why I thought of catch, report and return an error. ;)
[14:28] <alf_> alan_g: at the DS level we could report a general pause() failure
[14:29] <alf_> alan_g: plus we are not really ignoring, we are return false from the handler :)
[14:30] <alan_g> alf_: ok
[14:32] <alf_> alan_g: I'll iterate and we can see how it looks
[15:10] <kdub> morning!
[15:25] <kdub> status, working towards removing 3rd_party/fbtype, then hopefully some hwc1.0 work
[15:32] <alf_> status: working on handling pause/resume failures (i.e. vt switching) more gracefully, working on pausing communicator
[15:37] <alan_g> status: documenting and cleaning up configuration related classes
[16:13] <racarr> morning
[16:13] <alan_g> Afternoon
[17:00] <racarr> spinning in circles on the circular dependency
[17:37] <tvoss> bryce, ping
[17:37] <racarr> taking a stab at software cursor in a demoI wonder if
[17:38] <racarr> the right approach is to subclass the compositing strategy
[17:38] <racarr> or to subclass Renderables (to emit a cursor renderable after the surfaces)
[17:48] <bryce> tvoss, yep?
[17:53] <racarr> neither one really works well in trunk now.if you subclass the compositing strategy you have to reimplement the whole thing rather than just chain up and overlay (because of the location of display::post_update)
[17:54] <racarr> which is all you want to do...
[17:54] <racarr> the renderable interface isn't set up for anything beside surfaces though, inparticular, void bind_to_texture()
[17:54] <racarr> is alittle inflexible
[18:41]  * kdub falls for the trap of confusing quantal/raring  arm toolchains
[19:28] <racarr> lunch
[19:28] <racarr> software cursor demo is maybe half done
[21:04] <racarr> just flicked a cursor allover the screen
[21:04] <racarr> it felt good
[21:31] <racarr> hmm
[21:31] <racarr> all works except the software cursor itself cant trigger the compositor
[21:31] <racarr> so you need a client rendering at 60fps for the cursor to work ;)
[21:43] <kdub> racarr, excellent :)
[21:44] <racarr> kdub: Any idea for what sort of interface
[21:45] <racarr> to allow triggering the compositor?
[21:45] <racarr> it seems like exposing compositor.schedule_compositing or whatever
[21:45] <racarr> defeats the purpose of the whole change callback mechanism in place now
[21:45] <racarr> which I dont entirely understand
[21:45] <kdub> racarr, yes, let me check...
[21:45] <racarr> buts its clear its needed eventually, not every redraw will correspond to a change of a renderable (i.e. due to animations or some such)
[21:53] <tvoss> racarr, ping
[21:57] <racarr> tvoss: pong
[22:48] <racarr> ok just updated my qtubuntu to trunk to test
[22:48] <racarr> pointer input, and key input is broken!
[22:48] <racarr> might be related to the vt changes? or something...or might be a mistake in my qtubuntu :)
[23:19] <racarr> it seems impossible to gdb mir since the vt changes


[12:57] <waveform> Maik, replicated the issue: the generated swapfile has "holes" in it. That came up at some point in the last few years as I recall, so I suspect something's accidentally undone the fix (which I *think* was in livecd-rootfs) -- I'll go digging and see if I can get it sorted
[13:00] <Maik> waveform: yeah, i noticed that once i did sudo swapon --all and got the message the swapfile has holes in it.
[13:01] <Maik> lets hope it can get fixed


[16:01] <elacheche> Na3iL: did you saw this → https://www.gofundme.com/ReunionRoadblock/
[16:01] <elacheche> :(
[16:01] <elacheche> sorakun: Hey there! And welcome to #ubuntu-tn
[16:02] <sorakun> elacheche: hello, it's me akaisora ^^
[16:02] <sorakun> Quassel somehow changed my backup name :(
[16:03] <elacheche> :D
[16:04] <akaisora> so how is it going?
[16:06] <elacheche> not bad, a calm friday.. Just the news about Kilos was little bit disturbing, but knowing he's ok now makes me feel better
[16:21] <akaisora> Who is Kilos?
[16:23] <elacheche> The leader of #ubuntu-africa and one of the active Ubuntu members.. https://www.gofundme.com/ReunionRoadblock/
[16:23] <Na3iL> OMG elacheche
[16:25] <elacheche> Na3iL: He was online today "  Kilos | yeah elacheche im alive still just kinda tired mostly but the big pain left  "
[16:25] <Na3iL> oh, thank you
[16:26] <Na3iL> I hope he will be connected as usual asap
[16:27] <elacheche> hope so.. I hope he can fund the money
[16:29] <Na3iL> I hope so too
[17:01] <akaisora> oh, hope he'll get better soon
[17:01] <akaisora> we need more people like him
[18:11] <AkaiSora> ;
[18:11] <AkaiSora> hello
[20:48] <elacheche> AkaiSora: Hey!
[20:58] <AkaiSora> gonna install ubuntu on my gaming computer now :3


[11:03] <wgrant> allenap: I have a slightly (~16 lines once you exclude the inherited sample data changes) oversized branch. Can you have a look at it?
[11:06] <allenap> wgrant: Sure.
[11:07] <wgrant> allenap: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/distroseries-source-format-selection-part1/+merge/14729
[11:07] <wgrant> I was assuming someone Soyuzy would review it, so if you need more explanation just ask.
[11:10] <allenap> wgrant: Actually, do you mind asking someone Soyuzy to look at this? I think this needs some domain knowledge to do it justice. bigjools, can you suggest someone to review wgrant's branch?
[11:12] <bigjools> just me really :/
[11:12] <bigjools> but I am rather busy
[11:12] <wgrant> noodles is at lazr-js?
[11:12] <bigjools> yeah
[11:13] <bigjools> I'll try and get to it later wgrant
[11:14] <allenap> bigjools: Is Muharem away?
[11:15] <wgrant> bigjools: Thanks.
[11:15] <bigjools> he's not but he's busy too
[11:15] <bigjools> we've got stuff that needs to be done before Monday or we'll block others
[11:18] <allenap> bigjools: Okay, thanks. If you get an early impression that the approach is basically sound then I'm happy to review the boring bits, like style, docstrings, etc, if that'll help.
[11:19] <bigjools> allenap: that would be very useful, thank you
[11:19] <bigjools> E_notenoughpeopledoingsoyuz :(
[11:20] <wgrant> Found your fourth musketeer yet?
[11:20] <bigjools> yes
[11:20] <bigjools> all will be revealed by the end of the week I hope
[11:21] <wgrant> Aha.
[11:21] <bigjools> hmmm my 4 core could do with a faster disk
[12:16] <danilos> allenap, hi, I've got a CP candidate for review, it's very short :) if you have time, it's up at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~danilo/launchpad/bug-479385/+merge/14742
[12:16] <allenap> danilos: Sure :)
[12:21] <danilos> allenap, thanks :)
[12:22] <allenap> danilos: r=me.
[12:22] <danilos> allenap, thanks!
[12:25] <bigjools> wgrant: I'm going to start reviewing your branch now
[12:26] <danilos> bigjools, happy to hear you are ignoring anything else in life to unblock "others" :) thanks!
[12:26] <bigjools> danilos: I don't want the Serbian mafia on my case
[12:27] <danilos> bigjools, hehe, nobody does :)
[13:32] <bigjools> allenap: I reviewed wgrant's branch but it would be good if you also did as we agreed :)
[14:19] <allenap> bigjools: Sure, of course.
[14:28] <bigjools> allenap: thanks dude
[17:39] <bigjools> allenap: argh, that regex is making my eyes bleed!
[17:39] <allenap> bigjools: Jolly good :)
[17:41] <bigjools> jwz got it right
[17:42] <citrus> regex is a black art.
[17:43]  * citrus likes regex
[17:43] <bigjools> citrus me old fruit
[17:43] <citrus> I am just lurking today
[17:43] <bigjools> a lurking lemon
[17:44] <citrus> hoping for an itinerant UI reviewer to approve my Blueprints branch while I have on Answers
[17:45] <citrus> I am feeling more like a Lime to day
[17:45] <bigjools> green fingernail paint?
[17:47] <citrus> I guess I am very bruised fruit -- Very dark red (Moscow at midnight), purple (Lourve me Lourve me not), Blue (Yoga-ta Get this Blue)
[17:48] <citrus> Why did type that? no one on this channel knows nail lacquer colours
[18:38] <jtv> deryck: https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/lazr-js/bug-412576/+merge/14754
[18:38] <deryck> jtv, looking now.
[18:38] <jtv> ...if the branch scanner ever wakes up :)
[18:38] <jtv> thanks
[18:44] <deryck> jtv, yeah, just waiting on the diff here, and then will review.
[18:44] <jtv> deryck: you may want to extend an admonishing punch to your left and front.
[20:32] <thumper> rockstar: you have two emails from me, any chance you are going to get a chance to reply?
[20:51] <rockstar> thumper, I need a beuno before I can respond, and he's been a rare sight today.
[20:51] <thumper> rockstar: hmm.. ok
[20:52] <rockstar> thumper, I'm not convinced that scrolling the page is going to be something that will make beuno happy.
[20:52] <rockstar> thumper, worse comes to worse, you can just use a link and a page anchor to have it jump.
[20:52] <thumper> rockstar: perhaps jumping is the way to go
[20:52] <thumper> rockstar: I don't care particularly
[20:53] <thumper> rockstar: I just would like to get it to the diff, not load another file
[20:53] <rockstar> thumper, I've been wanting to make it some when people click [review] on an mp, it goes down to the form, instead of going to another form.
[20:53] <thumper> rockstar: so really just after UI guidance there
[20:53] <thumper> rockstar: beuno wants the form to appear where they click
[20:53] <rockstar> thumper, have it jump, land it that way, and I'll consult the beuno tonight sometime.
[20:54] <rockstar> thumper, does he want to overlay?  I'm so sick of FormOverlays...
[20:54] <thumper> not sure
[20:54] <thumper> ask him
[20:54] <rockstar> Okay.
[20:54] <rockstar> thumper, what's the other email I have from you?  I only see that one.
[20:54] <thumper> rockstar: it is a review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/bug-branch-proposal-view/+merge/14736
[20:55] <rockstar> Ah, okay.
[20:55] <thumper> I have three more branches in that pipeline
[20:55] <rockstar> thumper, do you want me to ui AND code review?
[21:04] <thumper> rockstar: you could do
[21:04] <thumper> rockstar: it may speed some things up
[21:04] <rockstar> thumper, I can has screenshot then?
[21:04] <thumper> hmm...
[21:05] <thumper> I can't attach a screen shot to the review yet
[21:05] <thumper> rockstar: yes...
[21:06] <rockstar> thumper, have you tested this in IE, Safari, Chrome, and Firefox?
[21:06]  * rockstar kids
[21:06] <thumper> rockstar: there is no js, just page details
[21:06]  * thumper stabs rockstar
[21:07] <rockstar> thumper, I've been working in Windows all day.  You'll have to find a place to stab that I haven't already stabbed.
[21:07] <rockstar> thumper, I've been working in Windows all day.  You'll have to find a place to stab that I haven't already stabbed.
[21:08] <thumper> rockstar: awww....
[21:08] <thumper> how sad
[21:08] <thumper> :(
[21:11] <rockstar> I couldn't even check out the lazr-js trunk because it used symlinks.  I had to fix that.  I still can't build just yet.
[21:11] <thumper> rockstar: the next pipe does the popup diff
[21:11] <thumper> rockstar: and the one after that changes the format of the diff link
[21:12] <thumper> rockstar: and the one after that will show the mp details on the bug page (with popup diff)
[21:13] <rockstar> thumper, I probably can't review all of them.  I still owe intellectronica and urbanape a review.
[21:13] <thumper> rockstar: sure
[21:13] <rockstar> thumper, however, deryck and I are about to start hacking on a wizard widget.
[21:13] <thumper> awesome
[21:15] <thumper> rockstar: http://penhey.net/~tim/branch.png
[21:17] <rockstar> thumper, r=me for ui and code, but you'll still need another ui reviewer.
[21:18] <thumper> rockstar: anyone there?
[21:18] <rockstar> thumper, well, we're all pretty heads down.  Let me bug someone.
[21:18] <thumper> ta
[21:18] <thumper> rockstar: just wave the picture at them
[21:19] <thumper> rockstar: deryck already has given +1 on jfdi
[21:20] <rockstar> thumper, deryck's not a ui reviewer.
[21:21] <thumper> :(
[21:21] <thumper> who is?
[21:21] <thumper> is barry?
[21:21] <thumper> is he there?
[21:21] <deryck> yeah, sorry, not a UI reviewer.
[21:21] <thumper> barry: are you around?
[21:25] <rockstar> thumper, I'll find barry when he gets back.  He's not there right now.
[21:26] <thumper> rockstar: but barry is at the sprint?
[21:29] <rockstar> thumper, yes.
[21:30] <rockstar> thumper, also, it's a national holiday in the US.
[21:30] <thumper> :(
[21:41] <barry> plus i have irc open on a vm :)  hi thumper
[21:41] <thumper> barry: hi
[21:41] <thumper> barry: just after a UI approval:  http://penhey.net/~tim/branch.png
[21:41] <thumper> barry: showing more proposal details on the branch page (and soon the bug page)
[21:42] <thumper> barry:  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/bug-branch-proposal-view/+merge/14736
[21:43] <barry> thumper: looking
[21:43] <thumper> barry: this is only part of the final product
[21:44] <thumper> barry: FYI - next pipe adds popup diff viewing on the branch page, then next changes the format of the diff link rendering to be something like:  327 lines (+43/-120) 8 files modified
[21:46] <barry> thumper: ui*=me dunno how much more i can review atm
[21:46] <thumper> barry: that's fine, one at a time :)
[21:46] <thumper> barry: can you add a ui review to the mp?
[21:47] <beuno> rockstar, I'll go by in a bit and we can go over it
[21:47] <beuno> I'm in landscape land atm
[21:47] <rockstar> beuno, yes, I know. You are needed everywhere.
[22:05] <barry> thumper: done
[22:06] <thumper> barry: thansk


[01:11] <hads> G: http://pastebin.com/GFxyt8q5
[01:13] <ajmitch> hads: what'd you get?
[01:21] <thumper> hads: it lies
[01:21] <thumper> hads: it doesn't have four siblings
[01:21] <thumper> there are four of them :)
[01:25] <G> hads: wow, thats pretty rocking
[01:48] <hads> ajmitch: It's an Intel NUC, a little thing the size of a...
[01:49] <hads> small square block of cheese or something.
[01:49] <hads> I can't think of a good comparison.
[01:49] <mwhudson> not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuc
[01:50] <hads> Different NUC :)
[01:50] <hads> http://www.silentpcreview.com/files/images/intel-nuc/nuc1.jpg
[01:51] <hads> So far I have discovered that it's really good at running XBMC.
[01:51] <mwhudson> that's pretty tiny
[01:51] <mwhudson> what does it have for storage?  msata ssd?
[01:51] <hads> Yeah
[01:52] <hads> 2 x USB, 2 x HDMI and 1 x GigE on the rear, this is a different model to that picture, black rather than red.
[01:52] <ajmitch> looks pretty minimalist
[01:52] <G> hads: are you using XBMC with DVB-S or -T recordings?
[01:53] <hads> I have DVB-S cards here but not sure I have any recordings handy. It works fine with the Freeview DVB-T recordings though.
[01:53] <mwhudson> i guess this is intel's answer to things like the cotton candy, to some extent?
[01:53] <G> hads: okay, -T was what I was worried about :)
[01:53] <hads> Plays perfectly, no dropped frames.
[01:54] <hads> mwhudson: It seems to be a great answer.
[01:54] <G> I'm becoming really, really tempted to tell the truth
[01:55] <hads> I've always been shy of things with fans but this is really really quiet, I can barely hear it with my ear right on the vent.
[01:55] <hads> Totally inaudible over the ambient noise
[01:55]  * ajmitch wouldn't mind something like that to connect to the TV
[01:56] <ajmitch> the laptop I have for the job is the opposite of quiet
[01:57] <hads> I've tested quite a bunch of things connected to TVs (have 4 HTPC in the house and have for quite a few years), initial impression of this blows everything else out of the water.
[01:57] <ajmitch> I just can't really justify to myself buying more hardware :)
[01:58] <hads> Yeah it isn't super cheap but not bad for what you get.
[01:59] <G> ajmitch: that is my concern, I've lost count of what the total processing capacity in the house is at the moment :)
[01:59] <ajmitch> intel nuc
[01:59] <ajmitch> hm
[02:00] <ajmitch> G: I've got 3 laptops on or around my desk at home
[02:00] <ajmitch> it starts to get a little bit much
[02:01] <G> ajmitch: I've got 3 HP Workstations & a Laptop in one room just for work
[02:01] <ajmitch> I'm trying to cut down on number of systems in use
[02:02] <ajmitch> virtual machines should be good enough for most stuff I want to do now, rather than spare hardware
[19:28] <olly> morning