[00:00] <draik> Yes, it runs without labels
[00:01] <ign0ramus> draik, well, that solves the mystery... fix the syntax
[00:01] <draik> ign0ramus: But that's MY mystery. What is the correct syntax?
[00:01] <ign0ramus> draik, you know more about that than i do :(
[00:02] <draik> That kinda hurts
[00:02] <ign0ramus> draik, sorry bro... i assume your ~/.bashrc has corresponding aliases?
[00:04] <ign0ramus> draik, i'm still struggling making with cron syntax, since i don't believe there's a cute little gui for these tasks any more?
[00:07] <draik> ign0ramus: Sorry, I was away checking on the script
[00:08] <ign0ramus> draik, i was getting errors on the dpkg lines, which i removed, but it seems very slow to load, and like you said, no response :(
[00:09] <draik> It takes a moment or two
[00:11] <xcdfgkjhgcv> I've just modified my /etc/fstab and added 2 lines at the bottom, will my system break during a reboot or will it be fine? http://pastebin.com/m6264c93f
[00:12] <ign0ramus> draik, well, if you add double quotes around the letter-option lines, the script does work effectively, but unfortunately, you cannot choose
[00:12] <ign0ramus> draik, which defeats the point, i understand.
[00:13] <ign0ramus> draik, and i'm getting "Illegal option -e" on line 30
[00:13] <ign0ramus> draik, nvm... that won't be your line 30, because i removed some lines
[00:14] <ign0ramus> xcdfgkjhgcv, your /var/ and /tmp/ directories are on a different partition?
[00:17] <xcdfgkjhgcv> ign0ramus: A different partition from what? They are on the same partition as my root partition.
[00:17] <xcdfgkjhgcv> ign0ramus: I'm trying to put them on tmpfs because I don't want people to see my data if they steal my laptop
[00:18] <ign0ramus> xcdfgkjhgcv, encryption would probably be easier... but this should work too
[00:19] <xcdfgkjhgcv> ign0ramus: I've already encrypted my /home
[00:19] <xcdfgkjhgcv> ign0ramus: I just hope that I haven't messed up my fstab and destroyed my system.
[00:20] <ign0ramus> xcdfgkjhgcv, you've backed it up, i presume?
[00:20] <xcdfgkjhgcv> ign0ramus: Backed what up?
[00:20] <siddharta> hi everyone, i'm using kubuntu 8.04.2, i'm trying ti remove network-manager package but aptitude says wants to remove kubuntu-desktop also, i pretend to install wicd, i already have downloaded the package
[00:20] <ign0ramus> xcdfgkjhgcv, the original fstab
[00:21] <xcdfgkjhgcv> ign0ramus: It's only 2 lines difference.
[00:21] <xcdfgkjhgcv> ign0ramus: I can remember what changes I made.
[00:21] <xcdfgkjhgcv> So I guess if it is messed up, I'll have to boot a Live CD and modify it.
[00:21] <ign0ramus> xcdfgkjhgcv, yes, but in the event of an borked system, its much easier to cp a good file over the borked one
[00:21] <xcdfgkjhgcv> ign0ramus: Just as easy to edit it with a text editor.
[00:22] <xcdfgkjhgcv> It would be annoying to have to fix it as I'd need to download a Live CD from another computer.
[00:22] <ign0ramus> xcdfgkjhgcv, true. with a livecd you'd have to mount the disk and chroot into it, correct?
[00:22] <xcdfgkjhgcv> And then figure out how to burn it onto a 256MB USB drive.
[00:22] <xcdfgkjhgcv> ign0ramus: Why chroot into it?
[00:23] <ign0ramus> xcdfgkjhgcv, not necessary?
[00:23] <ign0ramus> xcdfgkjhgcv, luckily, i've never actually had to fix a kubuntu install....just friends' windows installs
[00:28] <prasanth> how to get wine installed
[00:28] <siddharta> prasanth: sudo aptitude install wine
[00:28] <xcdfgkjhgcv> prasanth: apt-get install wine
[00:30] <prasanth> can i change my ram after installing my ubuntu
[00:30] <siddharta> prasanth: you mean the hardware? or the swap partition?
[00:30] <prasanth> s
[00:30] <prasanth> hardware
[00:31] <siddharta> prasanth: yes you can, your distro will detect the change in the amount of memory, you don't have to do anything else
[00:32] <prasanth> the ram i had is 256 and my firefox works slow
[00:33] <siddharta> prasanth: how much swap does the system have?
[00:33] <ign0ramus> draik, you're using the "read" command wrong
[00:34] <prasanth> i dont know exactly can u tell how to configure the swap
[00:35] <prasanth> bcos i installed auto not manual
[00:37] <draik> ign0ramus: Aside from everything else?
[00:38] <ign0ramus> draik, well, it's a start
[00:39] <ign0ramus> draik, "read" has to refer back to parameters set within your questions
[00:39] <draik> ign0ramus: Ok. How do I do that?
[00:40] <ign0ramus> draik, working on it... for example, here's a usage:
[00:40] <ign0ramus> draik, read -p "Please enter your name  : " name
[00:40] <ign0ramus> draik, then ... echo "$name"
[00:40] <draik> Ok, but what about multiple options?
[00:41] <ign0ramus> draik, can you read this? http://pastebin.com/m34c99696
[00:41] <draik> Give me a sec while I get a new TTY for lynx
[00:42] <ign0ramus> draik, it doesn't solve your problem, but shows "read" and "echo" syntax in a simple script
[00:43] <draik> ign0ramus: Saw it. That's good for user entries, but what about those which I have created?
[00:43] <ign0ramus> draik, checking into that, too... but this was the first thing that struck me
[00:43] <siddharta> i already solved the issue, thanks anyway
[00:44] <draik> ign0ramus: I'm very appreciative of all the help you're giving me right now.
[00:44] <ign0ramus> draik, i'm learning as i go, too :)
[00:48] <superboy> nedd help http://paste.ubuntu.com/178353/
[00:51] <superboy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/178353/
[00:52] <ign0ramus> draik, you should use " $() " for nesting
[00:52] <superboy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/178353/
[00:53] <draik> ign0ramus: nesting?
[00:58] <superboy>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/178353/
[00:58] <henux> does anyone know how do i switch ctrl and caps lock on kubuntu 9.04?
[00:58] <superboy> help
[00:59] <siddharta> henux: ?        didn't understand that
[00:59] <henux> i want to rebind caps lock to be the ctrl key, and ctrl key to be caps lock
[01:00] <ign0ramus> draik, i think i need to do more research... it seems that the 'b', 'd', 'r', and 'u' variables contain the programs+arguments they're set to
[01:00] <superboy> help http://paste.ubuntu.com/178353/
[01:00] <henux> there was some trick to be made in xorg.conf
[01:00] <ign0ramus> draik, something is fundamentally wrong, but i don't yet have the script-fu to identify a solution
[01:00] <draik> ign0ramus: Don't drown yourself on this. Thanks
[01:01] <ign0ramus> draik, well, it's for self-betterment as well, but I am stumped.
[01:02] <ign0ramus> draik, where did you learn the syntax you have?  From a tutorial, or extensive use of man pages?
[01:02] <siddharta> henux: no, i really don't know how to do that ... i have never needed that
[01:02] <draik> general info I've been gathering
[01:03] <ign0ramus> draik, fair enough.  i found some tutorials on these kinds of scripts, but they are too simple... or way too advanced O_o
[01:03] <siddharta> henux: you may do a web search using the terms "modifier keys switch keys"
[01:05] <henux> siddharta: okay thanks
[01:06] <siddharta> henux: you're welcome
[01:08] <ign0ramus> draik, simple, but maybe closer to what you want http://rafb.net/p/y9fg7594.html
[01:09] <draik> ign0ramus: Thanks seeing it now
[01:10] <ign0ramus> draik, expanding on that, you can add 'else' arguments for a null response
[01:10] <superboy> do anyone know how to fix this  http://paste.ubuntu.com/178353/
[01:10] <draik> ign0ramus: Can I double-pipe?
[01:10] <superboy> ign0ramus: Can I double-pipe?
[01:10] <ign0ramus> draik, haven't got there yet?
[01:10] <draik> ign0ramus: Can I do MULTIPLE double-pipe?
[01:11] <superboy>  ign0ramus: Can I do MULTIPLE double-pipe?
[01:11] <ign0ramus> draik, don't know why a put a question mark at the end... i haven't gotten that far yet, but it seems like a solid foundation
[01:11] <faileas> double pipe?
[01:11] <ign0ramus> superboy, try "sudo apt-get -f install"
[01:11] <ign0ramus> ... and stop copying everything you see
[01:12] <superboy> lol
[01:12] <superboy> okay
[01:12] <ign0ramus> jeeze. :/
[01:15] <thiago_> oi
[01:15] <draik> ign0ramus: piping you know. Double-piping is A || B; if A fails, do B. If A works, forget B exists.
[01:15] <thiago_> alguem do brazil ??
[01:15] <ign0ramus> !br | thiago_
[01:15] <draik> ign0ramus: Can I do A||B||C||D||E ?
[01:16] <ign0ramus> draik, only one way to find out (quickly anyway) :)
[01:17] <draik> How do I create variables for the letters to mean their respective commands?
[01:20] <siddharta> !mx
[01:21] <ign0ramus> draik, here's another example of an interactive script: http://rafb.net/p/N6Zemr39.html
[01:24] <draik> ign0ramus: I think that will help me out with what I'm trying to accomplish.
[01:24] <superboy> it still says this:http://paste.ubuntu.com/178370/        dont know where to go from here
[01:25] <ign0ramus> draik, also this may be perfect for your needs - http://rafb.net/p/CYQYoR40.html
[01:25] <ign0ramus> superboy, do you have "kubuntu-restricted-extras" installed?  That should give you a working Java install.
[01:26] <superboy> uuum i dont think so how wold i go about installing that?
[01:27] <ign0ramus> superboy, "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras"
[01:28] <Whiz2_> kubuntu version 9.04. using KPackageKit (Add and Remove Software) any time i try to add or remove packages using this method, I get an error message that says "Cannot get the exclusive lock on the packaging backend. Please close any other legacy packaging tools that may be open" thing is... I don't have any others open... just that one
[01:28] <ign0ramus> draik, there's a lot of stuff you don't need in that last one, but it does effectively list menu options, and shows the syntax to complete the commands, depending on user input
[01:29] <ign0ramus> Whiz2_, check ksysguard to see if you don't have some other form of apt (kpackagekit, synaptic, adept, etc) open
[01:29] <Shadoze> Anyone having problems installing openoffice using kpackagekit?
[01:30] <Shadoze> It will just hang on getting dependancies..
[01:30] <Whiz2_> ign0ramus: if anything else is open, then it opened when Linux logged in, cuz i didn't open anything else. how do I access that program?
[01:30] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, then try the "build-dep" command in terminal, for the package you need
[01:30] <ign0ramus> Whiz2_, well, if you're restoring sessions, something else may be running ... "kdesudo ksysguard"
[01:31] <Whiz2_> ign0ramus: it's fresh install and a fresh reboot
[01:31] <Shadoze> Ok, is there any way to get 3.1 because 3.0 is the one in the repositories
[01:31] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, from the web site or maybe someone has a PPA.  Google should help in this regard.
[01:31] <ign0ramus> Whiz2_, that is puzzling... can you install from konsole?
[01:32] <Whiz2_> ign0ramus: *sigh* i dunno. my system just froze when coming out of screensaver mode. been having issues with the system freezing in linux lately... to the point of letting me move the mouse, but absolutely nothing else responds
[01:32] <Whiz2_> on a fresh install
[01:32] <ign0ramus> Whiz2_, integrated intel graphics?
[01:33] <Whiz2_> ign0ramus: ATI Radeon x1650 AGP with 512 dedicated RAM (not onboard video)
[01:33] <Shadoze> Hmm kpackagekit dosn't seem to pickup the keyfile i made for 3.1
[01:34] <ign0ramus> Whiz2_, i'm not sure what would be causing the freezing then... you can always use the 'top' command to see if anythings eating your resources
[01:34] <Whiz2_> ign0ramus: could the onboard video be causing problems even if it's not being used?
[01:35] <ign0ramus> Whiz2_, i honestly don't know - never had that situation.  wish i could help, but i'd just be giving bad advice ;)
[01:35] <Whiz2_> lol
[01:35] <ign0ramus> it's the truth.  look at most "ubuntu blogs"... :D
[01:36] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, a keyring for a repo?
[01:36] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, you can add it in terminal, or add the .key file in your package manager gui
[01:37] <Shadoze> Yes, i was following softpedias "famous" openoffice install guide
[01:37] <Shadoze> Ok, hold up
[01:38] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, here's what you want to do to add a key (good guide) https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Adding%20a%20PPA%20to%20your%20Ubuntu%20repositories
[01:40] <Shadoze> Wicked, just imported the key, cheers
[01:40] <ign0ramus> Shadoze,  :)
[01:40] <Shadoze> Do yo uknow the reason why kpackagekit dosn't seem to pick up self made keys
[01:41] <Shadoze> For example if you were to get a key from a site, paste it into kate and save it as anything
[01:41] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, don't know, i junked kpackagekit after the first time i used it
[01:41] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, the important thing is to have the correct header and footer, and not to add your own .extension to the file
[01:42] <Shadoze> Yeah, i leave it unmodified and without an extension
[01:42] <draik> ign0ramus: Tried the script as it is in there and no go
[01:42] <draik> I get errors on a line that doesn't exist. Doesn't seem to like my closing
[01:43] <ign0ramus> draik, you gotta be kindding me
[01:43] <Shadoze> Correct me if i'm worng, but Linux scans the file for what the content is, rather than judging by a .whatever extension
[01:44] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, for the most part that is correct, but it doesn't mean your packagemanager will accept a key file with a .txt extension
[01:44] <draik> ign0ramus: Gimme a sec for the new pastebin
[01:44] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, the "file" command is awesome for detecting filetype
[01:44] <draik> http://pastebin.com/f640890f
[01:45] <Shadoze> I will have to use tha tmore often :)
[01:45] <Whiz2_> ign0ramus: found the kpackagekit issue, and corrected it. dpkg was apparently interrupted during install
[01:45] <draik> ign0ramus: disregard the last line, that was just a test
[01:45] <draik> ign0ramus: But still, with or without that line, it gives an error
[01:45] <ign0ramus> Whiz2_, that would do it :)
[01:46] <ign0ramus> draik, well, your options are misaligned (1-4 but then 1-5), but still shouldn't spit that error
[01:47] <Whiz2_> ign0ramus: i also turned on AGP Fast write in my BIOS to see if that corrects the issue with the freezing. I'll let you know
[01:47] <Shadoze> Anyone having a menu problem with the kickoff application launcher
[01:47] <ign0ramus> Whiz2_, cool
[01:48] <Shadoze> For example i will right click it and go to menu edit, move some things around to different categories but they simple will not save when i refresh the menu
[01:48] <draik> ign0ramus: Whoosp
[01:48] <draik> whoops, even
[01:48] <ign0ramus> haha
[01:49] <Shadoze> Instead they will fill up categories i've moved it to with junk, say i had an applicatiojn called test and i moved it into a folder and then saved. It would remain where it was before as well as creating an entry for itself where i move it to under kedit
[01:49] <Shadoze> *menu edit
[01:49] <ign0ramus> draik, i gotta run... find me on irc or IM.  Off for drinks.  Good luck, man.
[01:50] <Whiz2_> ign0ramus: any way i can run a general test using Konsole to determine if anything else was interrupted or broken during install?
[01:50] <Whiz2_> ok nvm
[01:50] <Whiz2_> anyone else know the answer to that question?
[01:52] <Shadoze> What, to test if any packages are broken?
[01:52] <Whiz2_> to test whether the installation of kubuntu in general is broken anywhere
[01:52] <henux> how do i disable the sound which get played at system login and logout?
[01:53] <Shadoze> This may possibly be of use
[01:53] <Shadoze> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1078365
[01:53] <Shadoze> @ whiz that is
[01:54] <Shadoze> henux, hold up
[01:55] <henux> yes?
[01:56] <spawn57> hi folks, can you tell me what repo I have to use to get kde4.3?
[01:58] <Whiz2_> Shadoze: I ran the dpkg --configure -a fix and it repaired dpkg. the rest of that doesn't seem helpful because it deals specifically with the error reporting package which i don't appear to be having issues with
[01:59] <Whiz2_> dpkg was interrupted during install. the idea is to see if anything else was interrupted or broken during install. for the most part, I don't see where it has ben, but i want to be sure
[02:00] <Shadoze> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/experimental/ubuntu/   << Is the repository you will find kde 4.3 in
[02:00] <Shadoze> Be careful though
[02:00] <henux> how do i disable the sound which get played at system login and logout?
[02:03] <draik> What is the proper closing for a bash script?
[02:06] <Shadoze> Henux you used to be able to stop is by going to System Setting > Sound and then unticking the play sound box
[02:06] <Shadoze> But i don't think it;s there anymore
[02:07] <henux> there's no Sound in System Settings
[02:07] <henux> oh heck, this is terrible
[02:08] <Shadoze> @ Whinz2_ i'm not entirelly sure beyond there, i can have a look in a while though
[02:08] <Shadoze> @ henux i don't think my sound plays so i must have done something to it i'll haveto find up what i did
[02:08] <Whiz2_> henux: give me amoment and i will see if i can find it for you
[02:08] <henux> thanks, i would appreciate it
[02:09] <Shadoze> Ill quickly test my sound
[02:10] <Whiz2_> found it
[02:10] <Whiz2_> henux: in system settings click on notifications
[02:11] <henux> and?
[02:11] <Whiz2_> for the drop down box next to "Event source" choose KDE System notifications
[02:11] <Whiz2_> make changes as you see fit from there
[02:12] <henux> thanks
[02:12] <Whiz2_> yw
[02:12] <Shadoze> Did you manage to turn it off?
[02:12] <henux> yes
[02:13] <henux> i have a multitude of other problems also
[02:13] <Whiz2_> yeah i gave instructions lol
[02:13] <Shadoze> Awesome, may i ask how?
[02:13] <henux> this is my first time using kde since 1999
[02:13] <Shadoze> Mine dosn't make a sound either ;)
[02:13] <Shadoze> Theres been a huge number of changes since then henux
[02:13] <Whiz2_> Shadoze: system settings, notifications "Event Source" is KDE System Notifications
[02:14] <Whiz2_> what other problems are you having henux?
[02:14] <henux> many
[02:15] <henux> let me tell you few
[02:15] <Whiz2_> i'm new to this version of kubuntu... last one i used was 8.10
[02:15] <Whiz2_> please give an example or we can't help
[02:15] <henux> was it better?
[02:15] <henux> 8.10?
[02:15] <Whiz2_> i'd say this is far better
[02:15] <Shadoze> no
[02:15] <henux> how was it better?
[02:15] <Shadoze> Kde 4 & 4.1 had a few anoying bugs
[02:15] <Whiz2_> 9.04 is better than 8.10
[02:15] <henux> oh okay
[02:15] <Shadoze> Thankfully kde 4.2 is alot more polished
[02:16] <henux> and this kde with kubuntu 9.04 is which?
[02:16] <Shadoze> I think it ships with kde 4.2.2
[02:16] <henux> okay cool
[02:16] <henux> here is one:
[02:16] <Whiz2_> my KDE version is 4.2.2
[02:16] <henux> kwallet pops up at every login as it wants to have my password for the wireless access, is there a way to have it automatically authorize the wlan0?
[02:16] <Shadoze> I'm using kde 4.2.3
[02:17] <Whiz2_> i'm still working on a way to disable KDE wallet
[02:17] <henux> ideally i would like to way the wlan0 to connect at login without any troubles from me
[02:17] <henux> here's another:
[02:17] <Shadoze> I believe there is henux
[02:17] <Shadoze> open kwallet
[02:18] <henux> k
[02:18] <henux> done
[02:18] <Shadoze> then go to settings > configure kwallet
[02:18] <Shadoze> *wallet even
[02:18] <henux> done
[02:19] <Shadoze> do you see any appklication related to networkmanager?
[02:19] <Whiz2_> from there click settings and choose configure wallet
[02:19] <henux> in Access Control? i believe not, there are kdewallet > KDE Daemon and kwalletmanager
[02:20] <Whiz2_> uncheck the box that says "Enable the KDE Wallet subsystem" click ok
[02:20] <Whiz2_> you may get an error, but it shouldn't prompt you again
[02:20] <Whiz2_> i could be wrong tho
[02:20] <Shadoze> Disabling annoying kwallet in KDE4:
[02:20] <Shadoze> System Settings >> Choose Advance
[02:20] <Shadoze> Then choose kwallet and uncheck "Enable kwallet system" and also in access control uncheck "prompt kwallet"
[02:21] <henux> done
[02:21] <Whiz2_> yes that too
[02:21] <Whiz2_> now click ok
[02:21] <Whiz2_> then close the smaller window
[02:21] <henux> does the network manager still automatically login to my wlan now?
[02:21] <Shadoze> Test it
[02:21] <henux> lets do that brbr
[02:21] <Whiz2_> then right click the KDE wallet on the application bar and choose quit
[02:21] <henux> brb*
[02:21] <Shadoze> *fingers crossed* it does
[02:22] <Shadoze> I reckon
[02:22] <Whiz2_> my freezing issue appearrs to be repaired by enabling AGP fast write in the BIOS for my card
[02:22] <Shadoze> by kde 4.5, it will be as polished as 3.5 was
[02:22] <Whiz2_> i never saw 3.5
[02:22] <Whiz2_> or maybe i did and don't remember lol
[02:23] <Shadoze> As there had been so many releases in the £.* series by 3.5 (last one) it was as solid and stable as anything
[02:23] <Shadoze> *3
[02:23] <Shadoze> aND YOU'VE PROBABLY USED 3.5
[02:23] <Whiz2_> this version seems pretty stable to me
[02:23] <Shadoze> *caps
[02:23] <Shadoze> It will get even better and stable over time
[02:23] <Whiz2_> i was at one point using a dapper drake release of the OS
[02:23] <Shadoze> I've been running the 4.2 series for about a month now
[02:24] <Shadoze> No major issues
[02:24] <Whiz2_> i had HUGE install issues with Kubuntu 8.10
[02:24] <Whiz2_> something about ata drivers, or IDE not working so it wouldn't even access the CD
[02:24] <Shadoze> part from my bootscreen is messed up completely
[02:24] <Shadoze> But that was my fault ;)
[02:24] <Whiz2_> had to get it installed the painful way...
[02:24] <Shadoze> =[
[02:24] <Shadoze> Whiz2 can you check something for me?
[02:25] <Whiz2_> can try
[02:25] <Shadoze> right click the kickoff menu
[02:25] <Shadoze> Then click menu edit
[02:25] <Shadoze> Try dragging ANYTHING into another folder
[02:25] <Shadoze> for me it refuses to save the settings
[02:25] <Shadoze> Which means i cannot reorganise my menu
[02:26] <Whiz2_> it drags, but I don't see a way to apply
[02:26] <Shadoze> "Save" in the top left corner
[02:26] <Whiz2_> hold... let me see
[02:26] <Shadoze> k
[02:27] <Whiz2_> worked fine for me
[02:28] <Whiz2_> BTW this is my first time using linux since sometime last year
[02:28] <Whiz2_> and this interface and setup is FAR more worth using
[02:28] <Whiz2_> i hate the command line interfaces
[02:29] <Shadoze> You lucky person
[02:29] <Shadoze> It dosn't work for me
[02:29] <Shadoze> I cant reogarnise my menu :(
[02:29] <Whiz2_> they need to make it so everything can be done from the GUI instead of the command line, but still have the command line for emergencies
[02:29] <Shadoze> i genrally prefer installing my packages via command line
[02:30] <Shadoze> such as sudo apt-get install mypackage
[02:30] <Whiz2_> i'm a pro at that, but it was always annoying
[02:30] <Whiz2_> the command line assumes you know everything about linux
[02:30] <Whiz2_> the GUI doesn't
[02:30] <Whiz2_> lol
[02:30] <Shadoze> thats what the manpages are for
[02:31] <Shadoze> open konsole
[02:31] <Shadoze> Type man sudo
[02:31] <Shadoze> You'll see what i mean
[02:31] <Whiz2_> hours and hours of reading... and I still never figured out how to do the things I needed to do... had to have someone login to my computer from somewhere else to fix it
[02:31] <Whiz2_> including man pages
[02:31] <Shadoze> :) the menu problem is the only thing annoying me
[02:32] <Whiz2_> i'm an old DOS addict
[02:32] <Whiz2_> but this command line interfaceis complex
[02:33] <Shadoze> Yeah, but it really is worth learning
[02:33] <Whiz2_> would take me most of my life to learn it lol
[02:33] <Whiz2_> the previous versions relied too heavily on it
[02:33] <Whiz2_> i never used it before a few yrs ago because it was all command line based
[02:34] <Whiz2_> when i heard the added GUI to it, i jumped on it, but was still dissapointed
[02:35] <Shadoze> Shit
[02:35] <Shadoze> just tried to organise my menu
[02:35] <Shadoze> Via the cut and paste method
[02:35] <Whiz2_> lol
[02:35] <Shadoze> when i exited the menu editor, kmenueditor crashed and took my menu with it
[02:35] <Whiz2_> oops
[02:35] <Shadoze> SO now the items i wanted to move around are gone
[02:35] <Whiz2_> i do have one interesting issue with my thernet
[02:36] <Whiz2_> ethernet
[02:36] <Shadoze> whats that>
[02:36] <Whiz2_> i'm running side-by-side install with XP pro (Primary OS) and my router has it set to static IP by mac address...
[02:37] <Whiz2_> so linux has the same IP address, but wheni go to my network management, it doesn't show any connections... tho the icon by the clock says <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:37] <Shadoze> Oooh =/
[02:37] <Whiz2_> so i can't edit any of the network setting lol
[02:37] <Shadoze> I only have Win Xp on my computer for one depressing reason
[02:38] <Whiz2_> prolly have to switch that feature off
[02:38] <Shadoze> Microsoft Access :(
[02:38] <Whiz2_> i'm going to be setting up a server before too long for kubuntu
[02:38] <Whiz2_> will be a web server
[02:38] <Whiz2_> sadly i will have to learn how to do all that all over again
[02:39] <Shadoze> If your using xammp it aint too hard
[02:39] <Whiz2_> cuz i don't want the HTTP server to point to anywhere on the root drive
[02:39] <Shadoze> Te apache site is filled with information on that :)
[02:39] <Whiz2_> and me likes the remote desktop feature... removes the need for VNC
[02:39] <Shadoze> ive neverused the remote desktop feature
[02:39] <Shadoze> Non of my friends use kde, they all use gnome >.<
[02:40] <Whiz2_> i use it on all my windows platforms to access them from my laptop because I'm disabled
[02:40] <Whiz2_> i never liked gnome
[02:40] <Shadoze> GNome tries to be too simple
[02:40] <Whiz2_> KDE is more like windows which I like
[02:41] <Shadoze> mmm
[02:41] <Shadoze> Windows vista is the oprating system i could not stand
[02:41] <Shadoze> I really hated it with a passion
[02:41] <Whiz2_> only 2 things I liked about windows Vista
[02:42] <Shadoze> The shutdown and logoff feature?
[02:42] <Shadoze> =-]
[02:42] <Whiz2_> User Account Control (I'm a security freak) and the windows Aero glass interface
[02:43] <Shadoze> I hated the user access control, i sae the point in it but i felt it was to intrusive
[02:43] <Shadoze> I don't like being asked for permission to continue, even when i want to do something as simple as breathing ;)
[02:43] <Whiz2_> write protects program files, and windows dirs unless ou give admin privikages
[02:44] <Shadoze> They have that on Windows Zp
[02:44] <Shadoze> *xp
[02:44] <Shadoze> it's called sandboxie ;)
[02:44] <Whiz2_> no 3rd party software :p
[02:44] <Shadoze> :P i tried windows 7
[02:45] <Shadoze> did not like it
[02:45] <Whiz2_> i haven't
[02:45] <Shadoze> Reminded me of the vista experience i had
[02:45] <Whiz2_> 7 is vista with extras
[02:45] <Shadoze> I get quite a few microsoft betas as i have a msdna subscription
[02:45] <Shadoze> Meaning i can download win xp, vista, 7, and tons of other software for them for free, leagally
[02:45] <Whiz2_> i beta tested vista when it was longhorn beta
[02:46] <Whiz2_> i have vista on this laptop
[02:46] <Shadoze> I only have it because it came with my college course ;)
[02:46] <Shadoze> Vista was hugely advertised on it's direct x 10
[02:46] <Whiz2_> DX 9.0c is the same thing for XP
[02:47] <Whiz2_> i did the research
[02:47] <Shadoze> 95% of the games have directx 9 capability
[02:47] <Whiz2_> yup
[02:47] <Whiz2_> and a lot are only for windows
[02:47] <Shadoze> Well
[02:48] <Shadoze> i got left 4 dead working semi perfectly on Kubuntu ;)
[02:48] <Whiz2_> lol
[02:48] <Whiz2_> never played it or even heard of it
[02:48] <Shadoze> Its a steam game
[02:48] <Shadoze> It's going to be great though
[02:48] <Shadoze> in three weeks time
[02:48] <Shadoze> i can give access the finger
[02:49] <Shadoze> and ditch xp
[02:49] <binMonkey> hi guys.  i'm gong to upgrade to jaunty.  does jaunty support the bcm4318 wireless cards?
[02:50] <Whiz2_> ok... helpe me out here
[02:50] <Whiz2_> wanna make XP my default boot OS.... how do i do that?
[02:50] <Shadoze> @ binmonkey
[02:50] <Shadoze> read this
[02:50] <Shadoze> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1139412
[02:50] <Shadoze> @ whiz2_ sec
[02:51] <binMonkey> Shadoze: thanks.
[02:51] <Shadoze> It appears they do, but you may have some problems at first
[02:51] <Shadoze> @ whiz2 what option is win xp on grub
[02:51] <Shadoze> Kubuntu is first
[02:52] <winterelf> hi
[02:52] <Shadoze> Kubuntu safe mode is second i guess
[02:52] <Shadoze> win xp third?
[02:52] <Shadoze> this is VERY important
[02:52] <Whiz2_> let me reboot and I'll tell you (this is on the laptop so i won't drop here)
[02:52] <Shadoze> that you get this right
[02:52] <Shadoze> ok
[02:52] <winterelf> anyone knows how to get compiz to work under kubuntu 9.04?
[02:52] <Whiz2_> i know it is lol
[02:52] <binMonkey> does anyone have experience using the b43 module drivers?
[02:52] <Whiz2_> that's why I'm rebooting :p
[02:53] <Whiz2_> Kubuntu
[02:53] <Shadoze> hehe :P
[02:53] <Whiz2_> Kubuntu (Recovery Mode)
[02:53] <Whiz2_> Kubuntu memtest
[02:53] <Whiz2_> Other Operating systems:
[02:53] <Shadoze> @ win, sec
[02:53] <Shadoze> so four then?
[02:53] <Whiz2_> XP (In that exact order)
[02:53] <winterelf> any1?
[02:54] <Shadoze> winterelf
[02:54] <Shadoze> go to
[02:54] <Shadoze> system settings->Desktop->enable desktop effects
[02:54] <Whiz2_> ummm...
[02:54] <Shadoze> make sure it's ticked ;)
[02:54] <Shadoze> it is four ;)
[02:54] <Whiz2_> really not sure... it is 4 if other operating systems is not considered 4... i can highlight other tho
[02:54] <winterelf> i don't have "system settings"
[02:54] <winterelf> it's kubuntu 9.04
[02:55] <winterelf> system settings is under ubuntu
[02:55] <Whiz2_> winter are you using the KDE desktop?
[02:55] <yao_ziyuan> are there kde 4.3 beta packages for jaunty? i know they're for karmic, but i fear to upgrade to karmic as i would receive endless updates for the next 6 months
[02:55] <winterelf> Whiz2: what do u mean?
[02:55] <Shadoze> whiz do
[02:55] <Shadoze> sudo cp /boot/grub/menu.lst /boot/grub/menu.lst_backup
[02:56] <Whiz2_> ok hold on let me boot in
[02:56] <Shadoze> that will backup your grub boot list incase something end in tradgedy
[02:56] <Shadoze> @ winterelf you do have system setting
[02:56] <Shadoze> open kmenu, it's at the top
[02:57] <Whiz2_> Click on the KMenu (K button at the bottom right where the windows startmenu would be) look for "Computer" at the bottom right, then click on system settings
[02:57] <winterelf> my menu is wierd... when u press something it gives u a sub menue, and u can go back to the old menu...
[02:57] <Shadoze> @ yao, i think its in the karmic repository only, could be wrong though
[02:57] <winterelf> i installed a wierd kubuntu graphic op
[02:57] <winterelf> os
[02:57] <Shadoze> more details please?
[02:58] <Whiz2_> winter: try this... Click on the K menu, click on "Computer" then see if system settings is listed at the top
[02:58] <Shadoze> if your on classic menu right click kmenu and click kickoff
[02:58] <winterelf> it's not... i will explain...
[02:58] <Shadoze> ty
[02:59] <Whiz2_> see Shadoze? i'm learning fast lol
[02:59] <winterelf> remmember kubuntu 7.01? it looks soft blue and the kmenu is like in windows....
[02:59] <Shadoze> @whiz so am i :P
[02:59] <winterelf> well it's not like this in the kubuntu 9.04 i installed
[02:59] <Shadoze> thats because
[02:59] <Shadoze> Kubuntu 7.10 used kde 3
[02:59] <Shadoze> Kubuntu 9.10 uses kde 4.2
[02:59] <Whiz2_> i remember 7.10
[02:59] <winterelf> the one i installed looks like kubuntu 8.04 remix
[02:59] <winterelf> and it sux
[02:59] <Whiz2_> hated it
[03:00] <Whiz2_> ok you need to download the release of Kubuntu 9.04
[03:00] <Shadoze> winterelf
[03:00] <Whiz2_> the release should come with KDE 4.2.2
[03:00] <Shadoze> do you want kde 3.5 instead?
[03:01] <winterelf> i think so... if u mean by that , that the graphic should be like old times then yes
[03:01] <Shadoze> Yes
[03:01] <Shadoze> take a look at
[03:01] <Shadoze> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty
[03:01] <Shadoze> is this what you want?
[03:01] <Whiz2_> Shadoze: my menu.lst has been cp'd successfully
[03:01] <Shadoze> awesome
[03:01] <Shadoze> type sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:01] <winterelf> yes!! this is the one i ment!
[03:02] <Shadoze> Download away winterelf ;)
[03:02] <Shadoze> you can install kde 3.5 alongside 4, but you only want 3.5 if im right?
[03:02] <Shadoze> And apparantly  removing 4 after installing 3.5 can break things
[03:02] <winterelf> yes
[03:03] <Shadoze> Wicked dowload and install that ;)
[03:03] <winterelf> y should i use 4? to much resorses and a lot of bugs
[03:03] <Whiz2_> that brought up a manpage for menu.lst
[03:03] <Shadoze> that's not the manpage ;)
[03:03] <Shadoze> Thats the code inside it
[03:03] <Whiz2_> looks like one lol
[03:04] <Shadoze> whiz2
[03:04] <Shadoze> find
[03:04] <Shadoze> default 0
[03:04] <winterelf> thanks people :)
[03:04] <Shadoze> Hope you enjoy your new jaunty ;)
[03:04] <Shadoze> Pop back here if you go mad with it =-[
[03:05] <Shadoze> Oh before you go
[03:05] <Shadoze> Some uses who use Nvidia cards driving multi-monitor Xinerama setups may experience a bug causing multiple mouse pointers to appear. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/357901.
[03:05] <Shadoze> KNetworkManager is as buggy as ever. nm-applet (from package network-manager-gnome) is recommended, but not installed by default.
[03:05] <Shadoze> take these into account
[03:05] <Whiz2_> give me the URL for the pastbin and I will paste the contentsso you can help me out
[03:05] <winterelf> heh i will
[03:06] <winterelf> laters
[03:06] <Shadoze> Wicked, enjoy
[03:06] <Shadoze> sec
[03:06] <Shadoze> http://pastebin.com/
[03:06] <Shadoze> Is that what you meant?
[03:06] <Whiz2_> yes
[03:07] <Shadoze> Wicked, by the way
[03:07] <Whiz2_> need to open this file in a word processor.. something like notepad?
[03:07] <Shadoze> if you dont want to use nano and love kate
[03:07] <Whiz2_> knotes?
[03:07] <Whiz2_> lol
[03:07] <Shadoze> sudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:07] <Shadoze> will bring it up in shiny kate
[03:07] <Whiz2_> ty
[03:07] <Shadoze> ;) Sounded likei was reading your mind for a sec then
[03:08] <Shadoze> just occured to me lol
[03:08] <Shadoze> Sorry for the typos, it's 3:08am =-[
[03:08] <Whiz2_> wow... i won't be running kate via command line again
[03:09] <Shadoze> Yes there are a few things it spits out, but it should still open in kate
[03:09] <Whiz2_> it did
[03:09] <Shadoze> If it opened fine, i wouldent worry about the spitages
[03:09] <Whiz2_> http://pastebin.com/m6c39dc74
[03:09] <Whiz2_> should be it
[03:10] <Whiz2_> *checks* and it is the right one hehe
[03:11] <Shadoze> Ok, ill get it to auto boot xp
[03:11] <Shadoze> btw, you can rename the titles "such as Kubuntu 9.04 and win xp) to other things ;)
[03:12] <Whiz2_> right i know
[03:12] <Whiz2_> leave everything else the same just change the default... i still want the same timeout, and choices etc
[03:14] <Shadoze> http://pastebin.com/d4ce23e71
[03:14] <Whiz2_> is all screwed up
[03:15] <Shadoze> ?
[03:15] <Whiz2_> is all double spaced lol
[03:15] <Shadoze> oh shit your correct
[03:15] <Whiz2_> lol
[03:15] <Shadoze> sec
[03:15] <Whiz2_> kk
[03:15] <Whiz2_> don't worry about it... i'll just see what you changed the default to
[03:16] <Shadoze> 4
[03:16] <Whiz2_> left everything else the same?
[03:17] <Shadoze> yes
[03:17] <Whiz2_> okies
[03:17] <Shadoze> *hopefully it should auto vboot xp now after 10 seconds*
[03:17] <Shadoze> *if not, i'm in trouble ;) *
[03:17] <Whiz2_> if not, then i still have 10 secs to figure it out lol
[03:18] <Shadoze> & we made a backup file
[03:18] <Shadoze> im 99% sure this will work fine though
[03:19] <Whiz2_> rebooting to check
[03:19] <Shadoze> okies
[03:20] <Whiz2_> o.O
[03:20] <Whiz2_> i chose to restart, but the system isn't dong anything
[03:20] <Whiz2_> blanked the screen except for the mouse (which I can move0 and the ketys are still functional
[03:20] <Whiz2_> keys*
[03:21] <Shadoze> Try reastarting again
[03:21] <Shadoze> 4 was defiantly xp
[03:21] <Whiz2_> this was during shutdown
[03:21] <Whiz2_> not boot lol
[03:21] <Shadoze> oh, you almost gave me a heart attack :(
[03:22] <Shadoze> 1 is kubuntu 9.04
[03:22] <Shadoze> 2 is safe mode
[03:22] <Whiz2_> what is the command line command to reboot? sudo shutdown -r now
[03:22] <Whiz2_> right?
[03:22] <Shadoze> 3 is "believe it or not" the other operating systems piece of text
[03:22] <Shadoze> 4) is win xp
[03:22] <Shadoze> yes
[03:22] <Shadoze> i believe so
[03:22] <Whiz2_> yup
[03:22] <Whiz2_> lol
[03:22] <Whiz2_> now lets see what it defaults to
[03:23] <Shadoze> =P waits on boot
[03:23] <Shadoze> * waits for angry mob * :(
[03:23]  * Whiz2_ cheers
[03:23] <Whiz2_> you did it
[03:23] <Shadoze> boot it first
[03:23] <Shadoze> i want to make sure.. :P
[03:23] <Whiz2_> *waits to see if fast writeis compatible with my vid card in XP*
[03:24] <Whiz2_> i did
[03:24] <Shadoze> =]
[03:24] <Whiz2_> it defaulted after 10 secs to XP
[03:24] <Shadoze> at least know you know how to change the bootorder yourself ;)
[03:24] <Whiz2_> i'll likely forget again later... i used toknow before too
[03:25] <Shadoze> ;) my bootsplash is messed
[03:25] <Shadoze> i need to fix that one day
[03:25] <Shadoze> only half of it shows
[03:25] <Whiz2_> what did you do to it?
[03:25] <Whiz2_> no time like the present lol
[03:25] <Shadoze> tried to change it
[03:25] <Shadoze> and accidently set it to the wrong resolution
[03:25] <Whiz2_> i successfully changed mine through the GUI
[03:25] <Shadoze> this is the bootsplash not login screen right?
[03:26] <Whiz2_> oh you mean the kubuntu name with the lil blue progress bar?
[03:26] <Whiz2_> seen during boot and shutdown
[03:27] <Whiz2_> if yes, then my answer isno lol
[03:27] <Shadoze> yeah that lol
[03:27] <Shadoze> mine looks like its in safe graphics mode in win xp
[03:27] <Shadoze> and is abnormally huge ;)
[03:27] <Whiz2_> ewwwwwwwww
[03:27] <Whiz2_> 640x480x8 lol
[03:28] <Shadoze> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kubuntu+Air+Usplash?content=105100
[03:28] <Shadoze> thats the one
[03:28] <Shadoze> awesome looking but not in 8bit :(
[03:29] <Whiz2_> you didn't choose the one compatible with all resolutions did you? lol
[03:30] <Shadoze> Indeed i did
[03:30] <Shadoze> Actually i lie
[03:30] <draik> Can someone recommend a good book for learning how to write bash scripts?
[03:30] <Shadoze> i did the right one first
[03:30] <Shadoze> 1024 x 768
[03:30] <Shadoze> then for some reason i did all of them
[03:30] <Shadoze> i dont know why i did it
[03:30] <Whiz2_> it doesn't give you the fail message?
[03:31] <Whiz2_> it's a pretty background tho... reminds me of the login screen lol
[03:31] <Shadoze> @ draik, yes
[03:31] <Shadoze> http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Programming/Introduction_to_bash_Shell_Scripting.html
[03:32] <Shadoze> @ whinzyeah i know i need to fix it at some point
[03:32] <Whiz2_> ok the people at ATI support lied to me!
[03:32] <Shadoze> how so?
[03:32] <Whiz2_> said fast write needed to be disabled for my card to work properly under windows.... freakin thing works better with it enabled
[03:33] <Whiz2_> and fixes my kubuntu freezing issues
[03:33] <Shadoze> Heh i rang up aol support the otehr day asking why there service was down
[03:33] <Shadoze> they said, goto start
[03:33] <Shadoze> i said i dont have a start
[03:33] <Whiz2_> "Cuz we suck?"
[03:33] <Whiz2_> lol
[03:33] <Whiz2_> HAHA
[03:33] <Whiz2_> i have a K
[03:33] <Whiz2_> lol
[03:33] <Shadoze> they said "oh" we cannot help you then, goodbye
[03:34] <Whiz2_> o.O
[03:34] <Shadoze> turns out they were changing something in my area thats why it was down
[03:34] <Whiz2_> AOL is not compatible with linux?
[03:34] <Shadoze> aol browser, i dont think so, aol as isp , of course
[03:34] <Shadoze> the aol browser uses internet explorer as its internet engine
[03:34] <Shadoze> eww eww eww
[03:34] <Whiz2_> they were prolly gonna send you to the AOL application
[03:35] <draik> Shadoze: Thanks. That's quite helpful. Very much appreciated.
[03:35] <rgarcia> Hi guys....please dow anybody know if is that possible to run windows and linux at the same time....
[03:35] <rgarcia> ?
[03:35] <Shadoze> Not a problem, hope you write some groovy apps now ;)
[03:35] <Shadoze> yes it is
[03:35] <Shadoze> www.virtualbox.com
[03:36] <Shadoze> sorry
[03:36] <Shadoze> .org
[03:36] <Shadoze> and yeah they probably were winz lol
[03:36] <Shadoze> *whiz even
[03:36] <rgarcia> Shadoze: ok, thanks....this virtualbox is kind of vmware of mac
[03:36] <rgarcia> ?
[03:36] <Shadoze> Yes
[03:37] <Shadoze> You cna also get vmware for Linux
[03:37] <Shadoze> but it costs a fair amount
[03:37] <rgarcia> i have to pay for it?
[03:37] <Shadoze> Virtualbox is free and open source
[03:37] <Shadoze> vmware, i THINK so
[03:38] <rgarcia> le me see it
[03:38] <rgarcia> but virtualbox is it good as well?
[03:38] <Shadoze> yes it is
[03:38] <Shadoze> http://i41.tinypic.com/wr1b3p.jpg
[03:38] <Shadoze> that was me running it the other day
[03:39] <rgarcia> nice....for me it's ok...it's not difficult to use it, is it?
[03:39] <Whiz2_> ok i'm out. thanks for all the help. made my day :)
[03:40] <Shadoze> No it's really easy to use if yu have problems just bop back here
[03:40] <Shadoze> or look at there documentation, which is as easy as it gets
[03:40] <rgarcia> ok...i'll see it....i've downloaded it and now i'm gonna install
[03:40] <Shadoze> Anyway, id best head of to bed, gnight garcia and all
[03:40] <Shadoze> I would help you just its creeping up to 4am
[03:40] <Shadoze> so i might mislead you
[03:41] <rgarcia> lol...that's ok...
[03:41] <rgarcia> i had problems on installation...
[03:42] <Shadoze> try installing it via kpackagekit
[03:43] <Shadoze> I have to go, if all else fails look on google speciafically for there site, where it has alot of documentation and faq's
[03:43] <rgarcia> yes....via kpackagekit....and there's a problem....
[03:43] <rgarcia> ok... Shadoze no problem...thanks a lot...
[03:43] <Shadoze> No problem, cya :)
[03:44] <rgarcia> cya,...good night
[03:44] <rgarcia> does anybody know if there's virtualbox or vmware on linux repository:
[03:44] <rgarcia> ?
[03:50] <anderson> hello
[03:50] <anderson> i need help
[03:51] <Gamarok__> !ask
[03:52] <anderson> i need view the NFS shares on kubuntu
[03:52] <anderson> same as network on windows
[03:57] <Gamarok__>    anderson: nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[03:57] <justin_> so can someone explain to me why my kubuntu program went to a text format instead of my desktop
[04:01] <rgarcia> can anyone help me how to install vmware or virtualbox?
[04:02] <Gamarok__> !virtualbox
[04:03] <rgarcia> !vmware
[04:03] <Gamarok__> ragarcia: to install virtualbox give the following command sudo apt-get install virtualbox
[04:04] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi
[04:05] <rgarcia> Gamarok__: only this?
[04:05] <rgarcia> i'm trying to download it from website, but does not work
[04:06] <Gamarok__> well if you are using the website you can obtain a deb file from there which is pretty easy to install
[04:07] <rgarcia> yes, but on installation appear an error
[04:07] <Gamarok__> what error do you get
[04:10] <rgarcia> it doesn't say...but no problem....i got virtualbox as you told me..
[04:10] <rgarcia> now how do I run windows?
[04:12] <rgarcia> no bootable medium found...
[04:12] <CPrgmSwR2> Has anyone tried the 9.10 alpha 1 yet
[04:13] <rgarcia> does anybody know here how do run windows with virtualbox?
[04:14] <rgarcia> !virtualbox
[04:18] <rgarcia> !vmware
[04:25] <devilfish> algen vive¿
[04:58] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi
[04:58] <CPrgmSwR2> where is everyone
[05:30] <darrellridlon> Helo
[06:00] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi
[06:01] <CPrgmSwR2> Is anyone using karmic
[06:11] <genii> CPrgmSwR2: Karmic questions in #ubuntu+1 please
[06:23] <Guest31841> Messed up application accossiation somehow and now .i386 wont launch. Is there some way to revert back to factory settings or select the correct one?
[06:33] <perseid> How do I get web links from, say, Quassel to open in Firefox instead of Konqeror?
[06:38] <perseid> Never mind. Got it. :)
[06:40] <mark___> do not install KDE 4.3?
[06:47] <perseid> Hmm. This has been bothering me for a while. The display settings are set to 1600x1200, desktop effects on. When I log in, though, it logs me in at 2048x1536, effects on. When I go to System Settings/Display it fixes the resolution by itself. I don't have to select it. But then I have to turn desktop effects off and back on. Any ieas?
[06:59] <tron2000> hey everyone
[07:01] <tron2000> has anyone got a softreset failed warning while loading kubuntu 9.04
[07:06] <gag> guys heres the thing i just installed 9.04 and it does not have knetworkmanager and i am not able to connect to internet via the nm applet i use a mobile broadband that due to some wierd reason isn't working i have booted into a copy of ubuntu live usb can anyone help me
[07:06] <gag> i mean what packages can i donload from the ubuntu synaptic and transfer it to 9.04
[07:08] <gag> guys ?
[07:09] <alakhia> knetworkmanager?
[07:11] <alakhia> if you installed kubuntu-desktop, that should be part of your install
[07:11] <gag> no man i installed kubuntu 9.04 the distro and its not in there
[07:11] <alakhia> if you want, i can give you a list of network-manager related packages
[07:12] <gag> that would be great
[07:12] <alakhia> are you going to manually resolve the dependencies?
[07:12] <gag> yup
[07:14] <alakhia> try: http://pastebin.com/d2226894d
[07:14] <alakhia> i simply did: dpkg -l | grep network
[07:15] <alakhia> you might not need everything because I used to have regular ubuntu
[07:15] <alakhia> and I installed kubuntu-desktop on top of that
[07:16] <gag> oh thanks man
[07:18] <Guest31841> Messed up application accossiation somehow and now .i386 executable wont launch. Is there some way to revert back to factory settings or select the correct one?
[07:19] <alakhia> was it launching it via wine?
[07:19] <jagadeesh> how do I disable awn manager? its starting up with kde
[07:19] <Guest31841> not in wine
[07:20] <Barridus> is there any way to shrink quicklaunch?
[07:20] <alakhia> so you are trying to run a regular app from kwin?
[07:20] <Guest31841> ahh, that might be it. will try
[07:22] <Guest31841> kwin in /usr/bin?
[07:22] <alakhia> if it is a regular exec binary, you might want to make sure it is executable
[07:22] <Guest31841> that didnt work
[07:22] <alakhia> what exactly are you trying to launch?
[07:23] <Guest31841> ioUrbanTerror.i386 - was working fine a few hours ago
[07:23] <alakhia> do you have access to a konsole?
[07:24] <alakhia> if so, run:  file ioUrbanTerror.i386
[07:24] <Guest31841> yea, got a command?
[07:24] <alakhia> what does that say?
[07:25] <Guest31841> permission denied. weird. should have access
[07:25] <alakhia> type ls -l Urban ... .
[07:26] <tron2000> anyone here using bitchx
[07:26] <alakhia> you might need to chmod it
[07:26] <Guest31841> -rwxr-xr-x 1 nick nick 1627558 2008-11-04 15:35 ioUrbanTerror.i386
[07:26] <alakhia> that seems fine ... you have permission to read and exec
[07:27] <perseid> My display settings are set to 1600x1200, desktop effects on. When I log in, though, it logs me in at 2048x1536, effects on. When I go to System Settings/Display it fixes the resolution by itself. I don't have to select it. But then I have to turn desktop effects off and back on. Any ideas?
[07:27] <Guest31841> doubleclicking it just brings up the "open with"
[07:27] <jagadeesh> can someone tell me how do i disable awn in kde4.2?
[07:28] <Guest31841> any idea what that default app is?
[07:28] <Barridus> if i wanted to clear out kde's keyring or wallet or whatever, how would i do that please?
[07:28] <alakhia> try: head Urban*
[07:29] <Guest31841> can see all the text
[07:29] <alakhia> what is the first line?
[07:31] <Guest31841> ......... d/lib/ld-linux.so.2GNU�
[07:32] <tron2000> has anyone got a softreset failed warning while loading kubuntu 9.04...
[07:33] <alakhia> hmmm, so what you have an app itself, not a document that must be opened by something else
[07:34] <alakhia> if you try to run it from konsole, do you get any error msgs?
[07:34] <Guest31841> can you check your file association for x-executable. I have nothing for it. From konsole I get access denied
[07:35] <alakhia> running from konsole doesn't need file association
[07:35] <alakhia> you are doing it
[07:35] <alakhia> can you type: file Urb*
[07:35] <alakhia> that should tell you what kind of file you have
[07:36] <Guest31841> ioUrbanTerror.i386: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, not stripped
[07:36] <alakhia> great ... it is an application
[07:36] <alakhia> so, now type: ./Urban*
[07:37] <Guest31841> still denied
[07:37] <alakhia> what is the exact message?
[07:37] <Guest31841> bash: ./ioUrbanTerror.i386: Permission denied
[07:37] <little> Barridus: Aare you still there?
[07:37] <alakhia> is your userid nick?
[07:37] <Guest31841> yep
[07:39] <alakhia> indulge me and run: chmod a+x Urban*
[07:39] <Guest31841> same thing. denied
[07:39] <alakhia> er, i mean: chmod a+x ioUrban*
[07:40] <tron2000> anyone on here using bitchx as their client
[07:40] <Guest31841> yep did that
[07:40] <alakhia> that is strange ... i'm not sure why you can't access a file that you own
[07:40] <Guest31841> same here.... I can access any other files on the drive. Just cant run that i386
[07:41] <alakhia> hmmm, is it possible that you mounted the drive using noexec flag?
[07:42] <Guest31841> hmmm
[07:42] <Guest31841> will check
[07:43] <alakhia> do: grep noexec /proc/mounts
[07:43] <Barridus> is it possible to reset permissions?  (those popup password prompts that i previously told to remember the permission forever)
[07:44] <alakhia> Barridus: which popup was this?
[07:45] <Guest31841> it does have the noexec flag. weird... shouldnt use mountmanager prog :/
[07:46] <Barridus> alakhia you know, the prompts for passwords when you make a system change
[07:47] <Barridus> there's radio buttons that say "remember this permission foreveR" or something. i want to reset/clear that
[07:47] <little> barridus: If you open kwallet by typing kwalletmanager in a terminal window, then you can go into the configuration menu and change the settings.
[07:47] <alakhia> ok, mystery solved ... if you copy that file somewhere else, chmod it, then it will work
[07:47] <alakhia> or just remount with noexec off
[07:48] <Guest31841> thanks alakhia. super help
[07:48] <Guest31841> works
[07:48] <alakhia> cool
[07:48] <pondus_> hej
[07:50] <Barridus> little, i'm not sure if that's what i'm looking to do
[07:51] <Barridus> i could have sworn i used to get popups for passwords when adding removing packages in kpackagekit, etc
[07:51] <Barridus> i don't see anything in kwalletmanager for that
[07:52] <alakhia> Barridus: try looking at: ~/.kde/share/config/kwalletrc
[07:53] <alakhia> in case you are brave enough to modify it directly and remove things from "Auto Allow" section
[07:53] <little> Usually if a program asks if you'd like it to remember a password, it kicks in the kwallet automatically. Have you tried going into kpackagekit and having it remember a password?
[07:55] <Barridus> alakhia, hmmm i assume i want to remove things from [Auto Allow]
[07:57] <Barridus> little, yes i believe i did that.  want to remove it :)
[07:57] <alakhia> Barridus: be careful .. and make a backup in case things go bad
[07:58] <Barridus> yeah, always ;)
[07:59] <alakhia> also i'm not sure how you can tell kwallet to read the new file ... you might need to log out and back in perhaps?
[08:00] <Barridus> probably
[08:00] <little> Barridus: Ah, that should be possible under the configuration menu, isn't it?
[08:01] <Barridus> i don't see anything in kwalletmanager for kpackagekit specifically
[08:02] <little> Barridus: Did you look in the Access Control tab and expand the listing?
[08:02] <Barridus> mostly just networking related things (KRDC, Kopete, Network Manager, twitter, etc)
[08:03] <Barridus> tab?
[08:03] <Barridus> tab in what, little?  i see none in kwalletmanager
[08:05] <little> Barridus: In my kwalletmanager if I go into the Settings menu and then choose Configure Kwallet, there is an Access Control tab with a listing of the programs that use Kwallet.
[08:05] <Barridus> ahhh, ok
[08:06] <Barridus> KDE Control Module?
[08:07] <little> Barridus: That I'm not sure of. In that tab I have kdewallet with a plus next to it. If I click the plus, I get a listing of the programs that use the wallet. Is that where KDE Control Module is?
[08:07] <Barridus> KDE Daemon perhaps?
[08:07] <Barridus> yes
[08:07] <little> Barridus: Someone in the #ubuntu-devel channel might know.
[08:07] <Barridus> hmmm
[08:08] <little> Barridus: I suppose it wouldn't do any harm to remove any entry in the wallet, because it would simply prompt you to add it again if anything needs a password and hasn't got it. (:
[08:08] <Barridus> yeah i suppose
[08:08] <Barridus> heh
[08:08]  * little likes to occasionally get yelled at by her computer. (:
[08:10] <Barridus> hmm, no effect.  lemme log out and back in
[08:10] <little> Barridus: Okay, crossing fingers.
[08:18] <little> Barridus: How is it going?
[08:20] <pawel> hey guys i managed to run skype under pulseaudio in kubuntu but i have huge trouble with another application that isnt PA compatible. do u know any solution that might help? is there a alsa wrapper that would "fool" the app?
[08:21] <little> No idea, sorry!
[08:33] <rysh> Hi, anybody using kde4.3-beta1 on jaunty??
[08:35] <rysh> Seems the plasma-widget "system Monitor - network settings" can not find any network interface ...
[08:35] <rysh> anyone who also found this ? ... and maybe have a solution?
[08:53] <vadi01> hi guys. i need to ask how the new kubuntu 9.0.3 is with kde? i ask cause the previos release honestly was terrible
[08:53] <vadi01> and i had to shift my os
[08:54] <vadi01> is rock solid?
[08:54] <vadi01> cause am thinking of downloading and installing it
[08:55] <Num83rGuy> I have the same problem with the net mon.
[08:56] <Num83rGuy> It'll get fixed.
[08:56] <vadi01> Num83rGuy: you refering to my question?
[08:57] <Pondus2> hi...dos anyone know about xbins
[08:57] <vadi01> net mon is buggy from kde itself
[08:58] <Num83rGuy> Nah, it was rysh I was refering to. :)
[08:59] <perseid> Problems with the net mon? As in network access going away randomly?
[08:59] <rysh> Num83rGuy: aha, thanks for replying ... so it seems i am not the only one with this problem
[08:59] <vadi01> Num83rGuy: ok. anyway it seems that kubuntu developers also have a prob with net mon
[09:00] <vadi01> Num83rGuy: is gnomenetwork monitor recommended to be used meanwhile?
[09:00] <vadi01> rysh: what happens?
[09:00] <Num83rGuy> No it doesn't go away randomly just the net mon plasmoid can't find the net interface to monitor.
[09:00] <rysh> I know kde4.3 is BETA and for me it is not a real problem ... just wanted to know if there was a solution available ...
[09:01] <rysh> i am using kde 4.3 beta1 .... and the plasma widget "System Monitor - Network Settings" is not seeing any interface
[09:01] <vadi01> well in fedora-kde its the same prob.
[09:01] <Num83rGuy> Yup thats life in beta.
[09:01] <vadi01> so the developers are using gnome network monitor instead. is this possible in kubuntu?
[09:02] <rysh> Num83rGuy: :-) ... doesn't matter ... kde4.3 beta1 still looks nice ... even without this plsma-widget
[09:02] <vadi01> and it sure does not look like there will be a solution anytime soon as in this month
[09:03] <perseid> I installed wicd for networking.
[09:03] <Num83rGuy> The network manager in kde works great it's the little in-out graph that doesn't work in 4.3 beta.
[09:03] <vadi01> rysh: hmmmm kde 4.3.... how buggy have you found it to be?
[09:04] <rysh> Well first it ddi not really install smoothly ... many errors that it wanted to overwrite files from other packages
[09:05] <rysh> so i used a lot of dpkg --force overwrite /var/xxx/xxxx.deb commands
[09:05] <Num83rGuy> I would say that 75% of what I use works great. Plasma still crashes every so often but i have not lost any data,.. yet....
[09:06] <Num83rGuy> I just used gnomes "partial upgrade" dialog.
[09:06] <rysh> same here ... plasma crashes once in a while ... gwwnview still not usable ... segmentation faults right after wanting to open an image
[09:06] <vadi01> now plasma crashing can be a prob
[09:06] <Num83rGuy> Yup but never use it any way.
[09:07] <Num83rGuy> gwenview that is.
[09:09] <rysh> anyway ... i use kubuntu now mainly for testing ... and it not really matter for me if something crashes ...
[09:09] <rysh> when alpha3 of 9.10 is out i will install that
[09:10] <eagles0513875> anyone know why  my audio keeps dying on me
[09:10] <eagles0513875> it keeps failling
[09:10]  * rysh grabs crystal ball
[09:13] <rysh> really eagles0513875, you have to come with more information before anybody can make a usefull remark ... was it always like that, if not what have you done to make it suddenly behave like that, which version of kubuntu, what kind of soundcard-chip ...etc etc ...
[09:20] <vadi01> rysh: how is pulse audio in kubuntu? does it give any audio probs?
[09:21] <rysh> vadi01: Hmmm no audio problems for me ... not even in kde4.3-beta1
[09:23] <rysh> vadi01: i'm just checking in the System Settings: Seems for every audio output i have two devices ... and in every option i have pulse audio as second choice
[09:25] <vadi01> yes!
[09:26] <rysh> what yes?
[09:26] <vadi01> rysh: actually i want to shift to kubuntu...maybe today... so need to know if there are any serios issues
[09:27] <rysh> if yur hardware is not too exotic, then i think you won't experience any problems ...
[09:28] <dmbkiwi> rysh: where did you get 4.3 beta 1 for jaunty?
[09:29] <rysh> dmbkiwi: it's on a ppa repository ... found the news on kubuntu.org
[09:29] <khaije1> rysh: how does it run?
[09:29] <rysh> little buggy :-)
[09:30] <rysh> but that's ok
[09:30] <dmbkiwi> rysh: does it install side by side with 4.2, or over the top?
[09:30] <rysh> No ... it replaces kde4.2
[09:30] <khaije1> rysh: graphical glitches or actual system stability problems?
[09:31] <khaije1> also i'm wondering is it up to the 3.5 standards for features yet?
[09:31] <rysh> well ... plasma does crash once in a while ... but it starts up after that most times by itself ...
[09:31] <khaije1> cuz so far the 4.x series has felt like a lobotomy
[09:32] <rysh> khaije1: i'm not sure what feature you would like to see in kde4 ...
[09:32] <eagles0513875> rysh: havent done anything to kill me audio it was working last night. i have 3 different types one digital channel which never seems to work analog which    works most of the time itill it randomly dies then pulse audio
[09:33] <khaije1> mac-os style program bar for one (where the focused app uses the top strip for it's drop down menu space)
[09:33] <rysh> i think folderview widget in kde4.3 is nice .... it opens a second folder preview window when hoovering over an directory icon
[09:34] <rysh> khaije1: Hmmm ... i hav not seen that yet ...
[09:35] <rysh> eagles0513875: not possible this problem came up after an update ? ...
[09:35] <khaije1> rysh: i'm not complaining, just reminising :)
[09:35] <Num83rGuy> khaije1: Install the bespin style it comes with a plasmoid that dies that if you make a panel on the top of the screen and place it there.
[09:35] <khaije1> reminicing? gee spelling is hard... heheheh
[09:35] <eagles0513875> rysh: dunno
[09:36] <rysh> eagles0513875: same here ... i also don't know
[09:36] <Num83rGuy> Mah spellin has the suk too.
[09:36] <eagles0513875> it fixes itself if i restart x
[09:37] <rysh> khaije1: if you like mac os x style of OS ... why not just using mac os x ?
[09:37] <khaije1> Num83rGuy: bespin, never heard of it, what is it and is it available in regular jaunty?
[09:38] <Num83rGuy> khaijel: I think it is but i also have a script that gets it from svn on kde look.
[09:38] <khaije1> rysh: easy there, i'm a linux user, i dont prefer mac-os style of anything on mac-os, i prefer the feature that was called 'mac-os style' on linux, it matters not to me what they call it, i'd still like it if it was called yoga-frog style
[09:39] <khaije1> Num83rGuy: i see, i'll check that out :)
[09:39] <rysh> eagles0513875: maybe change the preferences in System Settings - Multimedia -- to use another device
[09:39] <eagles0513875> thing is when i test my other 2 options neither of them work
[09:40] <eagles0513875> rysh: is there a way i can restart phonon
[09:40] <rysh> hmmm ... sorry i can not be of help to you eagles0513875 ...
[09:41] <eagles0513875> it ok
[09:41] <Num83rGuy> khaijel: Here is the script on kde look http://preview.tinyurl.com/rbwg2x I hope I don't get in trouble for posting a link.
[09:42] <vadi01> eagles0513875: just uninstall pulse audio and restart kde
[09:42] <eagles0513875> O_O
[09:42] <vadi01> eagles0513875: and see if it helps
[09:42] <eagles0513875> ok
[09:42] <eagles0513875> purge or just uninstall vadi01
[09:44] <Num83rGuy> Time for bed.
[09:44] <rysh> khaije1: i never used that top bar mac style thingy ... But if enough people want it then it will come available in kde 4 too ... sometime.
[09:44] <kaddi> hello everyone :)
[09:44] <eagles0513875> kaddi: :)
[09:45] <khaije1> rysh: i know, as i said i'm not complaining. I always liked it because it saved screen space on the itsy-bbitsy laptops i usualy end up with :)
[09:46] <vadi01> eagles0513875: use apt to remove it. and see
[09:48] <rysh> i understand ... :-) ... i think kde is getting nicer and nicer, and i don't want to go back to kde3 ... kde4 is just completly different, and things will work different. I mean: do not expect every option from kde3 to have an equavilent in kde4
[09:49] <eagles0513875> vadi01: it works need to see if it crashes again
[09:51] <vadi01> eagles0513875: ok.
[09:53] <vadi01> eagles0513875: apparently pulse has some issues with some audio cards. if you removed it it should not crash now.
[09:53] <eagles0513875> funny thing i can confirm this also when i had linux on me tablet
[09:55] <vadi01> eagles0513875: well i use a diff linux OS and for me the sound quality was terrible when watching movies using pulse
[09:55] <eagles0513875> humm
[10:10] <majkelo> hi
[10:11] <majkelo> noob question, what exactly is the sudo command to install restricted extrass package?
[10:12] <majkelo> i tryed sudo apt-get install restricted extrass  and nothing
[10:13] <bazhang> kubuntu-restricted-extras , majkelo
[10:14] <majkelo> thanks, will do that after upgrade is finished
[10:15] <bazhang> may also want to check out medibuntu.org majkelo
[10:17] <majkelo> ok, any help needed, im fresh with linux
[10:17] <bazhang> ask away then :)
[10:18] <majkelo> too bad that MS doesnt have that kinda help for its users
[10:18] <majkelo> :)
[10:23] <kaddi> anyone know a nice rss-feed-program for kde4? planet is telling me, that it's depreciated and won't run
[10:24] <Tm_T> kaddi: Akregator ?
[10:24] <Tm_T> kaddi: or, you mean for _creating_ feeds?
[10:24] <kaddi> no, no, for receiving feeds
[10:24] <kaddi> i'm just looking at akregator :)
[10:24] <Tm_T> then Akregator
[10:26] <kaddi> akregator is showing me feeds from 2004-2005 by default.. that suprised me :D
[11:05] <Guest97629> somebody knows how to configurate tork?
[11:08] <aftertaf> very calm this morning :)
[11:10] <dqli> hi
[11:10] <dqli> i want some help
[11:11] <aftertaf> :) whats up?
[11:11] <Serpardum> greetings and salutations
[11:11] <Serpardum> I see ign0ramus not here to[day|night]
[11:12] <dqli> i need software to admin my network in kubuntu
[11:12] <Serpardum> admin it how?
[11:12] <Serpardum> what do you wish to do to it?
[11:12] <aftertaf> :)
[11:13] <dqli> adminstration.control....etc
[11:13] <aftertaf> of one PC?
[11:13] <aftertaf> only?
[11:13] <Serpardum> administation control of a network can mean differnt things to different people.
[11:13] <Serpardum> can you give me a concrete example?
[11:13] <dqli> no for 12 pc
[11:13] <Serpardum> You just way to document it?
[11:13] <Serpardum> Or find out what's on it/
[11:14] <Serpardum> or port scan it
[11:14] <Serpardum> or what?
[11:14] <aftertaf> or manage users, file access, IP attribution?
[11:14] <Serpardum> security?
[11:14] <Serpardum> file access?
[11:14] <Serpardum> database access?  what?
[11:14] <aftertaf> lol
[11:14] <aftertaf> :)
[11:14] <dqli> i need software like handy cafe in windows
[11:14] <Serpardum> okay.  What does handy cafe do?
[11:14] <Serpardum> let me google it
[11:15] <dqli> server client
[11:15] <Serpardum> Its like for a internet cafe control
[11:15] <dqli> ya
[11:15] <Serpardum> firewall, access, etc..
[11:15] <dqli> ya
[11:16] <Serpardum> okay, so lets google for "internet cafe linux" see what we get
[11:16] <dqli> i will do that no thank you
[11:17] <dqli> I will do that now thank you
[11:17] <Serpardum> add "control" to the google list.  cyber cafe billing system for linux sounds like a possiblility
[11:17] <Serpardum> try googling for "internet cafe linux control" and go through the hits
[11:18] <Serpardum> no quotes
[11:18] <Serpardum> google is your friend
[11:18] <dqli> i now
[11:18]  * Serpardum adds another notch in his google supuriority belt
[11:18] <Serpardum> superiority
[11:18] <aftertaf> lol
[11:19] <Serpardum> funny thing is, I actually got an email, twice, from google asking me to submit a resume
[11:19] <aftertaf> ?? :D
[11:19] <Serpardum> I was very active in the C++ newsgroups
[11:19] <Serpardum> Answering questions, etc...
[11:20] <Serpardum> They were impressed with my answers I guess *shrug*
[11:20] <aftertaf> :)
[11:21] <aftertaf> you contribute to stuff here? C++ wise...?
[11:21] <dqli> negative
[11:21] <Serpardum> Gonna start work on my own OS for fun.  Funny thing is I'm on Vista.  Want to run it in virtual machine, using Virtualbox.  But barebones suggfests using linux and bochs
[11:22] <Serpardum> I contribute to questions people ask in the newsgroups.  You know, comp.lang.c++
[11:22] <Serpardum> newsgroup readers?
[11:22] <aftertaf> oki
[11:22] <Serpardum> comp.lang.learn.c-c++
[11:22] <Serpardum> etc..
[11:23] <swatto> whats the command to get the address bar up on a window so you can edit it?
[11:23] <swatto> the key combination
[11:23] <swatto> its ok got it, ctrl+l
[11:23] <Serpardum> address bar
[11:23] <Serpardum> for web browser?
[11:23] <swatto> sorry i explained it wrong, i meant in dolphin
[11:24] <aftertaf> good to konw, one less mouse movement :)
[11:25] <Serpardum> ctrl-I takes me to filter in dolphin :/
[11:25] <phh> aftertaf: another one for less movements: on any webpage, press ctrl keys, under links a little box with a letter will show up, just press the corresponding key and thay hhhhhhhhhhhaooooo
[11:25] <phh> Serpardum: it's a little L
[11:25] <phh> not a I
[11:25] <Serpardum> oh
[11:25] <aftertaf> and s/ctrl/alt   i think :)
[11:25] <phh> aftertaf: nop
[11:25] <Serpardum> L for link I guess
[11:25] <phh> it's ctrl
[11:26] <phh> Serpardum: maybe... or maybe not, who knows :)
[11:26] <aftertaf> ahhhhhh i see :)
[11:26] <aftertaf> yeah
[11:26] <Serpardum> I for fIlter??
[11:26] <Serpardum> It's easier to rmemeber when they make SOME sense
[11:26] <phh> aftertaf: alt is for menus, ctrl for content :)
[11:26] <aftertaf> :)
[11:26] <Serpardum> one thing that always ticked mje off about pico
[11:26] <aftertaf> which browser? all?
[11:27] <Serpardum> closing the damn thing ^^
[11:27] <phh> aftertaf: only the true one
[11:27] <phh> konqueror.
[11:27] <aftertaf> :)
[11:27] <phh> Serpardum: eXit ctrl-X ?
[11:27] <phh> (iirc)
[11:27] <phh> hum no
[11:27] <phh> it's nano
[11:28] <Serpardum> yeah, I finally usually remember that
[11:28] <Serpardum> even thouugh most use Q for quit
[11:28] <Serpardum> it uses X for exit
[11:28] <phh> aftertaf: actually there is another one (can't remember which one) and a firefox plugin with another shortcut (ctrl is the shortest we can think of anyway.)
[11:28] <phh> Serpardum: vim use x too for exit :-)
[11:29] <phh> (but exit with saving, while q won't)
[11:29] <Serpardum> installing bochs
[11:30] <Serpardum> hum-de-dum
[11:30] <aftertaf> i used :wq for years, then someone told me x and im happy :)
[11:30] <phh> bochs ? what for ?
[11:30] <Serpardum> vitual machine
[11:30] <phh> yes i know
[11:30] <phh> but it's outdated and slow comparing to qemu
[11:30] <Serpardum> so I can run grub
[11:31] <Serpardum> well, I have instructions for using bachs
[11:31] <phh> well, for grub it should works well.
[11:31] <Serpardum> I just want to get something tested and working
[11:31] <phh> qemu is easier to use than bochs
[11:31] <aftertaf> and virtualbox easier still ;)
[11:32] <Serpardum> I have virtualbox
[11:32] <Serpardum> but the thing is what I'm gong on says linux is easier cause of compielrs, etc..
[11:32] <phh> aftertaf: i never succeded using a real hard drive with that one ...
[11:32] <Serpardum> and I dont' want to have to compile in linux then try to get grub workign in widnows
[11:32] <aftertaf> never tried... made a fake one
[11:33] <Serpardum> I have virtualbox
[11:33] <Serpardum> but I still need to create a bootloader
[11:33] <Serpardum> which grubs is
[11:33] <phh> Serpardum: with qemu you don't have to :-)
[11:33] <Serpardum> what is qemu?
[11:33] <aftertaf> !info qemu
[11:33] <phh> well it's not just that.
[11:33] <Serpardum> it's a virtual machine
[11:34] <aftertaf> true
[11:34] <Serpardum> which virtualbox is which I'm already using
[11:34] <phh> it's both emulator and virtualisator (while bochs is only emulator and virtualbox only virtualisator)
[11:34] <aftertaf> it splits your cpu in two, as if you have é machines booted at saime time, right ?
[11:34] <aftertaf> s/é/2
[11:34] <Serpardum> I'm alrady doing that, running vista and kubuntu on same machine
[11:34] <phh> aftertaf: you can, but not by default i guess
[11:34] <Serpardum> but I want to write my own os, so need a boot loader, which grubs is
[11:35] <Serpardum> maybe grubs works with qemu, duno
[11:35] <Serpardum> *sunno
[11:35] <Serpardum> *dunno
[11:35] <phh> it's sure it works ...
[11:35] <phh> if any virtual machine can't make grub works
[11:35] <winterelf> hi akk
[11:35] <phh> no system will ever boot on it :)
[11:35] <winterelf> all*
[11:36] <winterelf> need help with compiz
[11:36] <phh> !q
[11:36] <winterelf> how to make the cube works
[11:36] <phh> damn
[11:36] <uvvtu> всем привет
[11:36] <Serpardum> I can get grub to work in virtualmachine, but creating the iso and garbage is a pain in the ass in windows
[11:36] <winterelf> -a
[11:36] <phh> Serpardum: iso ?!?
[11:36] <Serpardum> which is why I want to do it in kubuntu, so using a linux
[11:36] <dqli> I need software to admin cyber cafe. this cyber use server with kubuntu expliotation systeme and other pc use windows xp expliotation systeme . so help me to get the best
[11:36] <phh> you use an iso to boot grub ?
[11:36] <phh> wahou .
[11:36] <Serpardum> yeah, windows needs iso or boot disk
[11:37] <Serpardum> windows is a pain on that
[11:37] <phh> Serpardum: linux is more ...
[11:37] <Serpardum> I don't even HAVE a floppy drive on this machine
[11:37] <aftertaf> Serpardum: you can install a grub directly without having linux
[11:37] <phh> Serpardum: just virtualize it ...
[11:37] <Serpardum> according to the instructions I"m following: http://wiki.osdev.org/Bare_bones  it says fairly simple
[11:38] <aftertaf> :)
[11:38] <Serpardum> yes, grub is not the problem, but what grub boots from is the problem
[11:38] <phh> and there is a lot of already-made grub iso/floppys/whatever
[11:38] <dqli> I need software to admin cyber cafe. this cyber use server with kubuntu expliotation systeme and other pc use windows xp expliotation systeme . so help me to get the best
[11:38] <phh> ergh no
[11:38] <Serpardum> booting grub I've already done
[11:38] <phh> grub starts from whatever you want :)
[11:38] <Serpardum> but then grub wants to boot soemthing
[11:38] <phh> PXE, floppy, harddrive, cdrom, ZIP
[11:38] <phh> do i need to continue ? :)
[11:38] <Serpardum> and that's where the pain comes in, in windows I have to create an iso
[11:38] <phh> Serpardum: ...
[11:39] <Serpardum> in linux I can create a virtual drive
[11:39] <phh> grub can access the harddrive even if booted from an iso
[11:39] <dqli> hello
[11:39] <Serpardum> Yes.  I guess you don't understand the problem is creating whats to be booted from.  It's easier to create it in linux
[11:39] <aftertaf> dqli: look here: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Linux_software_equivalent_to_Windows_software
[11:39] <dqli> Im realy need help
[11:40] <Serpardum> from what I've seen so far realy
[11:40] <phh> dqli: you have to look at something like kiosk tools for linux or something like
[11:40] <phh> Serpardum: oh, got it.
[11:40] <Serpardum> dqli: None of the links was what you wanted?
[11:41] <Serpardum> Waht are you trying to do, create an interent cafe controlled from a linux box?
[11:41] <phh> Serpardum: well anyway you still don't need bochs to do that :)
[11:41] <dqli> thank
[11:41] <Serpardum> Well, the reason I was going with bochs was because the instructions I have use it
[11:41] <Guest97629> how can i save a script in a shell?
[11:41] <Serpardum> figured I'd follow the instructions, get it to boot.  then play around and try to make it easier
[11:42] <Serpardum> "save a script"  a script is a text file.
[11:42] <aftertaf> Guest97629: be more explicit
[11:42] <winterelf> wanted to ask if kubuntu
[11:42] <Serpardum> what is it you are actually tryign to do?
[11:42] <yao_ziyuan> let me seduce you all to opensuse
[11:42] <Serpardum> Guest97629: ?  you still here?
[11:42] <aftertaf> yao_ziyuan: no point, all factions of the same freedom
[11:43] <Mamarok> yao_ziyuan: behave!
[11:43] <aftertaf> winterelf: is compiz installed on your PC?
[11:43] <Serpardum> so not only do we have os wars windows/linux/mac now we got flavor wars?  give me a break.
[11:43] <Guest97629> i have a shell open !/bin/sh, and experimenting with it, echo, hello world etc. its is open in the shell # "and the script", and i want to save it under /bin/sh.. but how
[11:43] <Serpardum> "
[11:43] <Serpardum> "and I want to save it..."  define "it"
[11:44] <Serpardum> what is it you want to save?  your commans?
[11:44] <Guest97629> i want t osave the scrip, from the shell.
[11:44] <Serpardum> and it would probably be better to save it in hyour home directory
[11:44] <aftertaf> what does the script contain?
[11:44] <Serpardum> which is ~/
[11:44] <Serpardum> and it might be as simple as: echo echo hello >> ~/myscript
[11:44] <aftertaf> and....... the commands you want to save into a script are ones you have typed one by one oi the shell ?
[11:44] <Guest97629> # Das ist ein Kommentar
[11:44] <Guest97629> echo "Hallo Europa"
[11:44] <Guest97629> echo "Hallo Osterhase..."# # Hallo Europa
[11:44] <Guest97629> ups..
[11:44] <aftertaf> ok.
[11:45] <Serpardum> pico would work.  or your favorite text editor.
[11:45] <Mamarok> Guest97629: you want to save your commands, just select those and copy it to an editor
[11:45] <aftertaf> use e
[11:45] <aftertaf> oops.
[11:45] <manuel_> hi
[11:45] <Guest97629> mom
[11:45] <Serpardum> I use pico cause it was the first one I used *shrug*
[11:45] <Mamarok> Guest97629: then make the file executable with chmod +x
[11:45] <aftertaf> you can copy paste with a virtual console..... also
[11:45] <Serpardum> open a text editor, type in the commands, save it as a file, chmod it +x which makes it executable
[11:46] <Mamarok> Serpardum: :)
[11:46] <Guest97629> yes, but how??? thats my problem. i dont want to open an editor, i would like to save it directkly from the shell into a foldder
[11:46] <Serpardum> one way, use the up arror
[11:46] <Mamarok> Guest97629: Kate, vim, emacs, nano, those are all editors
[11:46] <Serpardum> up arrow
[11:46] <manuel_> how can i found out which option in the kernel config dialog compiles module X into the kernel?
[11:46] <Serpardum> that will repeat commands.  then edit it.  lke up up up
[11:46] <aftertaf> Guest97629: press Up arrow to see your bash history, and add echo again before it and >>/path/to/file at the end
[11:46] <manuel_> thx
[11:46] <Serpardum> then find the comand, then add "echo" to the front
[11:46] <aftertaf> you want to know about shell  redirection, i guess :)
[11:46] <ma7moud> hey  guys,
[11:46] <Serpardum> and >> ~/myscript
[11:46] <Serpardum> to the end.
[11:46] <Serpardum> so it woudl become like:
[11:47] <ma7moud> i cant found drive
[11:47] <Serpardum> echo echo "Hallo Europa" >> ~/myscript
[11:47] <ma7moud> intel
[11:47] <ma7moud> what can i do
[11:47] <Guest97629> yepp
[11:47] <aftertaf> ma7moud: what hardware required intel drivers?
[11:47] <Serpardum> echo echo "Hallo Osterhase..."# # Hallo Europa >> ~/myscript
[11:47] <Guest97629> i dont get it..
[11:47] <Serpardum> >> appends the text to a file
[11:47] <Mamarok> Guest97629: open Kate, that is a braphical text editor
[11:48] <aftertaf> type echo echo in your shell and you will see ;)
[11:48] <ma7moud> 945 on my labtop
[11:48] <Serpardum> what text is the output
[11:48] <Mamarok> graphical even ...
[11:48] <Serpardum> echo something makes the output something
[11:48] <Serpardum> so basically  you are just sending the text to the file
[11:48] <aftertaf> and the >> puts the output into a file instead of on screen
[11:48] <Serpardum> right
[11:48] <Mamarok> Serpardum: I guess copying would be easier for him, then learn bash...
[11:48] <Serpardum> > will overwrite a file
[11:48] <Serpardum> >> will append
[11:48] <Serpardum> Yes, it would be mamarok, but he said he didn't watn to do that
[11:48] <Serpardum> *shrug*
[11:48] <Guest97629> mom, have to donwload kate
[11:49] <ma7moud> my screen it is very slow
[11:49] <Serpardum> download kate
[11:49] <Mamarok> Guest97629: kate should be installed in Kubuntu already
[11:49] <ma7moud> how?
[11:49] <Mamarok> !info kate
[11:49] <Guest97629> well, it is easier, but i would like to know how i can do it from the shell..
[11:49] <aftertaf> Guest97629: http://www.linuxconfig.org/Bash_scripting_Tutorial
[11:49] <Serpardum> I told you
[11:49] <Mamarok> Guest97629: read that tutorial
[11:49] <Serpardum> 2 ways
[11:49] <ma7moud> it is frist time to use linux
[11:49] <aftertaf> Guest97629: and you are right to WANT to know.... this is good :)
[11:49] <Serpardum> yes, it si good to know
[11:49] <Serpardum> it is good to learn what > and >> and < do
[11:50] <Serpardum> redirection
[11:50] <ma7moud> what can i do???????????
[11:50] <Serpardum> Tehre's a 2< also
[11:50] <Serpardum> or is that $2<  I forget
[11:50] <Mamarok> ma7moud: what is your language? You might be better off with help in your native language
[11:50] <ma7moud> my language arabic
[11:50] <Serpardum> Schweingruber...
[11:51] <Serpardum> that's arabic?  kay Y^
[11:51] <Serpardum> ^^
[11:51] <Mamarok> Serpardum: ??
[11:51] <Guest97629> ok, kate iss running
[11:51] <ma7moud> i am not good english
[11:51] <ma7moud> hooooooooooooooooooooooooooow?
[11:51] <Serpardum> Well, taht's what irc says your name is.  Myriam Schweingruber
[11:51] <Serpardum> type /whois Mamarok
[11:51] <Guest97629> thanks.. ma7moud
[11:51] <Mamarok> Serpardum: there are language channels...
[11:51] <Serpardum> I thoght you wre asking, got confused
[11:51] <Mamarok> ma7moud: wait, I'll get it for you...
[11:52] <Serpardum> ma7, not mam ^^ my bad
[11:52] <ma7moud> thnxx
[11:52] <Mamarok> Serpardum: don't worry, I know my way around :)
[11:52] <Serpardum> <_<
[11:52] <Serpardum> >_>
[11:52]  * aftertaf laughs
[11:52] <eagles0513875> !arabic | ma7moud
[11:53] <ma7moud> كويس جدا
[11:53] <Guest97629> confused!! me, pretty much..
[11:53] <eagles0513875> ma7moud: this is english channel still ma7moud
[11:53] <ma7moud> انا عندى مشكله فى تعريف الفيجا عندى ومش لاقى حل
[11:53] <Mamarok> !sa | ma7moud
[11:53] <Serpardum> worng channel ma7moud
[11:54] <eagles0513875> Mamarok: can i ask ya a question whats the difference between !sa and !arabic
[11:54] <choxos> !persian
[11:54] <Serpardum> Guest97629: what is your native langauge?
[11:54] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: Saudi Arabia...
[11:54] <Serpardum> where is .cz?
[11:54] <eagles0513875> ahhh gotcha
[11:54] <Serpardum> checkloslovakia?
[11:54] <eagles0513875> !cz
[11:54] <Serpardum> or however that's spelled
[11:54] <ma7moud> help me to found drive
[11:54] <ma7moud> intell
[11:54] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: and read what the bot said instead of asking again...
[11:54] <eagles0513875> sry hung over this am Mamarok
[11:55] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: yeah...
[11:55] <Guest97629> ah, i got it with kate. thats easy..
[11:55] <Mamarok> please, folks, do not abuse the bot, only when needed
[11:56] <aftertaf> ma7moud: you need to type "/join #ubuntu-arabic"
[11:56] <aftertaf> ma7moud: this will open a new channel... You can ask there, in arabic :)
[11:56] <Serpardum> he is in #ubuntu-arabic
[11:56] <Serpardum> and he is in #ubuntu-sa
[11:56] <aftertaf> oki
[11:56] <Serpardum> so I guess he did
[11:56] <Guest97629> who
[11:56] <Mamarok> Guest97629: check the tutorial link Serpardum has given you, so you can learn to use the shell
[11:56] <Guest97629> reading
[11:56] <Serpardum> I didn't give a link
[11:57] <Guest97629> with my right eye, the left is here
[11:57] <Mamarok> Serpardum: wrong nick, sry, aftertaf gave the link
[11:58] <aftertaf> :)
[11:58] <aftertaf> Guest97629: and once you get the hang of it you'll be amazed what you can do.
[11:58] <Guest97629> ok, someting else. how can i save more then one script? if there is only one /bin/sh folder.. stupid, i know, but hey, its my first shoot
[11:58] <Mamarok> Guest97629: you are in Konsole? Then use a new tab
[11:58] <Guest97629> yes
[11:59] <Mamarok> menu Settings, edit profile
[11:59] <ma7moud> plaz help me to found this drive
[11:59] <Mamarok> make the tab option appear and you can add new shell tabs
[11:59] <Serpardum> differnet file name Guest97629
[11:59] <Mamarok> ma7moud: please be patient, if somebody knows the answer, you will get it
[12:00] <Serpardum> adn again, you should be using y our home directory instead of /bin/sh
[12:00] <Mamarok> ma7moud: you need a driver for tne Intel graphics card, right?
[12:00] <ma7moud> yap
[12:00] <Serpardum> you can still run your scripts out of your home directory.
[12:00] <Guest97629> so it doesnt metter where is save it
[12:00] <Serpardum> It does a bit
[12:00] <aftertaf> you go to your home directory, /home/person/ and create a folder called bin
[12:00] <ma7moud> yes Mamarok
[12:00] <Mamarok> Guest97629: make a script/ folder in your home directory,
[12:01] <Guest97629> ok
[12:01] <aftertaf> and save them there
[12:01] <Serpardum> Primarily it will search for comands in /usr/bin
[12:01] <Serpardum> and antoerh /bin
[12:01] <Mamarok> Guest97629: you should not touch the system folders unless you know exactly what you are doing
[12:01] <Serpardum> but if you make the mistake of using same name it can cause problems as you erase a system script
[12:01] <Mamarok> ma7moud: and you have which card?
[12:01] <ma7moud> how to install this?
[12:01] <Serpardum> so best to save YOURS in your home direcotry ~/
[12:01] <Serpardum> then you knwo you created them
[12:02] <Mamarok> ma7moud: the graphic drivers are installed automatically on installation
[12:02] <Mamarok> which Intel card do you have?
[12:02] <Guest97629> ok, got it, understand
[12:02] <Serpardum> right now it may not seem like much, but a few months when you d on't know what comamnds are what and who put what where  you'll curse yourself for poluting the directoryes
[12:02] <ma7moud> ok but my desktop it is very slow
[12:02] <Serpardum> *directories
[12:03] <Mamarok> ma7moud: your desktop? You mean your PC?
[12:03] <ma7moud> i used kubuntu
[12:03] <ma7moud> 9.04
[12:03] <ma7moud> yes
[12:03] <Mamarok> ma7moud: what type is the Intel graphic card you have in your computer?
[12:03] <Mamarok> you said a number earlier...
[12:03] <ma7moud> my lab top
[12:03] <ma7moud> 2 g ram
[12:04] <Mamarok> ma7moud: please answer my question
[12:04] <Serpardum> yes, but what card specifically?
[12:04] <ma7moud> 1.8 pross  dual - cora
[12:04] <Serpardum> video card.  what video card?
[12:04] <ma7moud> intel 945
[12:04] <Mamarok> ma7moud: wait a minute please
[12:04] <ma7moud> i am wait
[12:04] <Serpardum> I do not miss the time I've spent on pc support at work ^^
[12:05] <Serpardum> I once literally spent 4 hours on the phone to get someone to click the "START" button
[12:05] <Serpardum> seems he had shrunk down his start bar and couldn't find it
[12:05] <tron2000> i've heard some pretty funny stories from friends that work help desk
[12:06] <Serpardum> Some became easy after a while.  "My password doesn't work any..." "Press the caps lock key"
[12:06] <tron2000> bout getting calls complaining their computer isn't working during a power outage
[12:06] <Mamarok> ma7moud: there is a known bug with that particular driver:
[12:06] <Mamarok> ma7moud: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/375545
[12:06] <Mamarok> ma7moud: you will have to switch off the desktop effects
[12:06] <Mamarok> as 3D currently will not give you nice results
[12:07] <ma7moud> i dont know
[12:07] <Serpardum> One of the funniest I've heard was a help tech told someone to right click on the screen, person said they did, nothing happened.  So tech said what did you ?  I wrote click on the screen.
[12:07] <Mamarok> ma7moud: and wait for the bug to be solved, they are working on it
[12:07] <tron2000> lol
[12:07] <Mamarok> Serpardum: some people are very, very new...
[12:07] <Mamarok> Serpardum: we all were at one point...
[12:08] <tron2000> or the restart the computer one and they say yep done... tech says you couldn't have started the computer that fast... all they did was turn the monitor on and off
[12:08] <Mamarok> ma7moud: go to SystemSettings -> Desktop and untick the desktop effects
[12:08] <Serpardum> A very common probelm with new ones is, Okay, everyone, point your mouse at the icon and right click.  And watch everyone pick up their mice and point it at the screen and click
[12:08] <dqli> are there any way ti setup any software with EXE extention in kubuntu_
[12:08] <Serpardum> I've actually seen that happen as well as heard about it
[12:08] <Mamarok> Serpardum and others: please, support only!
[12:09] <Mamarok> making fun of new users is not nice...
[12:09] <Guest97629> wine
[12:09] <Mamarok> Guest97629: full sentences please
[12:09] <Serpardum> dqli: .exe extentions are for microsoft programs
[12:09] <Serpardum> I"m not making fun of new users
[12:09] <tron2000> its true... but i'm guessin anyone running linux is a bit past those errors
[12:09] <ma7moud> oky
[12:09] <ma7moud> what now
[12:09] <ma7moud> ?
[12:09] <Mamarok> Serpardum: we all know enough stories to tell about new users, but that does not belong here, so please, keep it on topic
[12:09] <aftertaf> to guess is to be human :)
[12:10] <aftertaf> dqli: youve only found windows softwre for the kiosk management ?
[12:10] <Mamarok> ma7moud: did you switch off the desktop effects?
[12:10] <ma7moud> how
[12:10] <ma7moud> ?
[12:10] <Mamarok> ma7moud: I just told you, read back...
[12:10] <ma7moud> ok
[12:10] <Serpardum> dqli: Didn't you find any kiousk software in linux to serve your needs?
[12:10] <Mamarok> ma7moud: 13:08 < Mamarok> ma7moud: go to SystemSettings -> Desktop and untick the desktop effects
[12:10] <ma7moud> done
[12:10] <dqli> exe no supported in kubuntu?
[12:11] <dqli> no
[12:11] <Serpardum> exe not supported in linux, and kubuntu is linux so no
[12:11] <ma7moud> what next?
[12:11] <Serpardum> Well, maybe you might consider running avirtual windows machine on your linux box and running the .exe there
[12:11] <Mamarok> ma7moud: restart KDE: log out, then come back, it should run faster
[12:11] <aftertaf> dqli: exe is windows only...... unless you know WINE.
[12:11] <Guest97629> you can run exe with wine
[12:12] <aftertaf> dqli: try http://www.webs05.com/2008/04/15/kioskubuntu-turning-ubuntu-into-a-kiosk-management-system.html
[12:12] <Serpardum> yes, wine is another alternative
[12:12] <Guest97629> or, VMware sphere, i htink called this program
[12:13] <Guest97629> its a virtual server and it woks fine, well, for me it does
[12:13] <tron2000> or locate the alternative for the exe that is supported on linux
[12:13] <Serpardum> aftertaf: that link gave problems, not solutions unfortunately
[12:13] <aftertaf> ah
[12:13] <Guest97629> but direct x is not running, like for games and it is dangerous to try to install directx
[12:14] <ma7moud> sorry mamarok i dont know how untick the desktop effects
[12:14] <ma7moud> how i do?
[12:14] <Serpardum> waht was wrong with "Academic Timer Cafe" dqli ???
[12:15] <aftertaf> dqli: or here : http://www.debiosk.org/
[12:15] <dqli> i dont now how i can use software like handy cafe in kubuntu
[12:15] <Mamarok> ma7moud: go to the system Settings, then on the desktop icon
[12:15] <Serpardum> I have a link of a TON of linux programs
[12:16] <ma7moud> ok
[12:16] <ma7moud> it is done
[12:16] <Mamarok> then you will see there is an option to set/unset the desktop effects, there should be no hook in there
[12:16] <ma7moud> what next
[12:17] <Mamarok> ma7moud: then apply (button at the bottom) to make sure the settings are saved
[12:17] <Serpardum> try these:
[12:17] <Serpardum> http://www.fileguru.com/apps/cyber_cafe_billiing_system_for_linux
[12:17] <Serpardum> There's a freaking TON of them there
[12:18] <Serpardum> man I want a cigarette, I gave up smoking about 8 months ago
[12:18] <Mamarok> Serpardum: don't give in!
[12:18] <Mamarok> Serpardum: I quit in 1992 :)
[12:19] <Serpardum> nice.  I've been smoking since I was 17.  I'm 45 now
[12:19] <Mamarok> Serpardum: +5 for me
[12:19] <Serpardum> 28 years smoking, finally quit
[12:20] <tron2000> nite everyone
[12:20] <Mamarok> ok, back to topic...
[12:20] <Serpardum> You going through those programs dqli ?
[12:20] <Mamarok> tron2000: gn8
[12:20] <administrator> hi
[12:20] <Mamarok> hi
[12:20] <Serpardum> hi
[12:20] <wee> hi
[12:20] <wee> how ar yuo
[12:21] <Mamarok> wee, no need to say hi to everyone, the first one is ok :)
[12:21] <Mamarok> wee: do you have a question?
[12:21] <wee> ok
[12:21] <Serpardum> well, you said back on topic and nothing was happenin' ^^
[12:21] <wee> ahh
[12:21] <wee> wait
[12:21] <Serpardum> ...
[12:23] <wee> where are you
[12:23] <wee> ??
[12:24] <Mamarok> wee: I don't think this matters, do you have a support question?
[12:24] <Mamarok> wee: if it's for chatting, there is #kubuntu-offtopic
[12:25] <wee> No.,I test network from ubutu
[12:25] <Mamarok> wee: just use ping in a command line then
[12:25] <Mamarok> ping >domain name>
[12:25] <wee> amm
[12:25] <Mamarok> <domain name> that is
[12:26] <wee> what command
[12:26] <dqli> thank you and good bey
[12:26] <Serpardum> Test to see if it's active?  it's ping.
[12:26] <Serpardum> such as: ping www.microsoft.com
[12:26] <Serpardum> or ping www.google.com
[12:26] <Mamarok> wee: in a konsole, use the command ping, followed by a domain name
[12:26] <Mamarok> wee: but you seem to be online, no?
[12:27] <Serpardum> unless he's on windows
[12:27] <wee> thank
[12:27] <Serpardum> wel
[12:27] <wee> amm
[12:27] <Mamarok> wee: also, you should not run applications with adminsitrator rights in Linux
[12:28] <wee> yes
[12:29] <wee> what is install file .rpm
[12:29] <wee> Mamarok : what is install file .rpm
[12:29] <Mamarok> wee: what Linux distribution do you use?
[12:30] <wee> Mamarok : Linux ubuntu
[12:30] <Mamarok> wee: rpm is the package system for Red Hat, also used by SuSE and Mandirva, not in Kubuntu
[12:30] <Mamarok> Kubuntu uses *.deb packages, like Debian
[12:30] <Mamarok> wee: do you want to install a package?
[12:30] <wee> amm
[12:31] <wee> yes
[12:31] <Mamarok> wee: which one?
[12:31] <wee> how install .ded
[12:31] <wee> what command
[12:31] <Mamarok> wee: usually you just use a package manager for that, which version of Ubuntu are you running?
[12:31] <Serpardum> wee, usually  you dont, you use sudo apt-get install <aptname>
[12:32] <Serpardum> instead of downloading the .deb or .ded try apt-getting it
[12:32] <Mamarok> Serpardum: keep it simple :)
[12:32] <wee> thank
[12:32] <vadi01> is there a howto on how i can create .deb packages?
[12:32] <wee> oh
[12:32] <Serpardum> that wasn't simple Mamarok???
[12:32] <wee> simple now
[12:32] <vadi01> for ubuntu/kubuntu
[12:33] <Mamarok> Serpardum: not if he is totally new to Linux, no
[12:33] <Serpardum> he was talkign to me
[12:33] <wee> ubuntu
[12:33] <Serpardum> I gave him the commadn to use *shrug*
[12:33] <Mamarok> Serpardum: but I was highlighted?
[12:33] <Serpardum> what do you mean "hightlighted" ?
[12:33] <Mamarok> he started the line with my name, so I was addressed
[12:34] <Serpardum> about 5 lines back
[12:34] <Mamarok> that's how you should do in a crowded channel IMHO, makes it a lot easier to follow threads
[12:34] <Mamarok> Serpardum: 13:29 < wee> Mamarok : what is install file .rpm
[12:35] <Serpardum> [04:31] <wee> how install .ded
[12:35] <ahmed> everytime i start mmy pc i have to run this command "sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[12:35] <ahmed> otherwise i cannt access my shares on xp pcs
[12:35] <Mamarok> Serpardum: never mind, just try to start lines with the name of the person you are talking to, makes things easier
[12:36] <wee> everyone see you
[12:36] <Mamarok> vadi01: you want to package for Kubuntu?
[12:36] <wee> bye
[12:36] <Serpardum> take care wee
[12:36] <vadi01> Mamarok: both ubuntu and kubuntu.
[12:36] <wee> thank everyone
[12:36] <Mamarok> vadi01: wait, I'll give you the link
[12:37] <Mamarok> wee: you are welcome :)
[12:37] <Serpardum> ahmed: There is an init you can add it to in your home directory, don't remember waht you have to call it.  let em find out for you
[12:37] <wee> Mamarok : buy
[12:37] <Serpardum> kinda like start direcotry in windows
[12:38] <Serpardum> "Place your startup scripts into the ~/.kde/Autostart folder"
[12:38] <Mamarok> vadi01: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[12:38] <ahmed> Serpardum: no i dont know it im new to linux
[12:38] <vadi01> ok thanks...let me see what i can do
[12:39] <Serpardum> So I'm thinking you create a script with that line in that folder.  It should start it.  You might have to create the folders.
[12:39] <Serpardum> You know how to create a script right?
[12:39] <Mamarok> vadi01: would be great, especially in Kubuntu we really need packagers
[12:39] <ahmed> Serpardum: no i dont know
[12:39] <Serpardum> It's basically just a text file that's been chmod to be executable.
[12:39] <Serpardum> use like kate
[12:40] <Serpardum> kate, type in the command, save it with some file name (such as start) in taht folder
[12:40] <Serpardum> then you'll need to chmod +x start
[12:40] <Serpardum> or whatever teh filename is
[12:40] <Serpardum> I already have a ~/.kde/Autostart folder so I guess it's created automatically
[12:41] <vadi01> Mamarok: are you one of the kununtu developers?
[12:41] <Serpardum> ahmed: if you get stuck let em know
[12:41] <Mamarok> vadi01: no, I do support and such
[12:41] <Mamarok> vadi01: but part of the team, yes
[12:42] <vadi01> Mamarok: ok. let me read the guide and see
[12:42] <Mamarok> vadi01: get familiar with the basics, that's the most important, especially dependencies
[12:43] <vadi01> k
[12:43] <Makuseru> !7z
[12:43] <Mamarok> vadi01: also, making a PPA on Launchpad for testing would be a good idea
[12:44] <Mamarok> well, that was a fast one :)
[12:45] <Serpardum> Hmm.. wtf.   "rename elf loader.o"    Bareword "elf" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1.
[12:45] <Serpardum> WTH is that about?
[12:45] <Serpardum> I'm just tryign to rename a file
[12:46] <ahmed> Serpardum: look i created a text file named "Start" in /home/ahmed/.kde/Autostart then i wrote sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[12:46] <ma7moud> how to  get kde 4.3
[12:46] <Serpardum> did you chmod it?
[12:46] <Serpardum> ahmed?
[12:46] <ma7moud> i need KDE 4.3
[12:46] <ahmed> in it the i run the command
[12:46] <Serpardum> Yes.
[12:46] <ahmed> chmod +x start
[12:46] <Serpardum> yes.
[12:46] <Serpardum> make sure it is "start" and not "Start"  case matters
[12:47] <Serpardum> In either case you just have to make it the same
[12:47] <ma7moud> .........................
[12:47] <ahmed> Serpardum: is that what i have to do?? doi miss something?
[12:47] <Serpardum> that should be it.
[12:47] <ma7moud> KDE 4.3
[12:47] <Serpardum> you can ls -l to see if it's executable
[12:47] <Serpardum> ls -l ~/.kde/Autostart/*
[12:47] <Mamarok> ma7moud: I don't think you should, it's a beta version, so get familiar with the official releases first
[12:48] <Mamarok> ma7moud: beta versions are never a good idea for beginners
[12:48] <Serpardum> it should be -rwx-r-xr-x or so
[12:48] <ahmed> -rwxr-xr-x 1 ahmed ahmed 33 2009-05-23 14:43 start
[12:48] <Serpardum> yes.  that is executable.  that shoudl be all you need.
[12:48] <Serpardum> try rebootign and see if it work.s
[12:48] <ahmed> Serpardum: thanks for your help man
[12:48] <Mamarok> ma7moud: also, KDE 4.3 will not solve your driver problem, that's not KDE related
[12:48] <Serpardum> no problem, any time
[12:49] <ma7moud> but what
[12:49] <Mamarok> ma7moud: but what?
[12:49] <ma7moud> i dont know what do i do
[12:49] <Serpardum> can someone tell me why rename isn't working for me? lol
[12:50] <Mamarok> ma7moud: you currently have a stable release, get familiar with that one, and you will have to wait the driver bug to get solved
[12:50] <Serpardum> did ubuntu change the rename command?
[12:50] <Mamarok> Serpardum: mv?
[12:50] <Serpardum> yeah, mv seems to work.  strange
[12:51] <Serpardum> I seem to recall that rename worked, but maybe I'm wrong.  thx
[12:51] <Mamarok> Serpardum: that always worked
[12:51] <Mamarok> mv I mean
[12:51] <Serpardum> yeah, mv did always work
[12:51] <Serpardum> I tend to remember I used rename becaue it existed on both dos and linux and was easier to remember
[12:51] <Mamarok> rename is more for multiple files from what I remember
[12:52] <Serpardum> but whatever, I'll just use mv
[12:52] <rysh> Serpardum: maybe rename was an alias to mv?
[12:52] <Serpardum> maybe.  somehow I killed y file. lol
[12:54] <Mamarok> rysh: no, rename exists as a separate command, but for renaming multiple files (says man rename)
[12:54] <rysh> hmmm ... ok ok ... i only know Rename from the menu's from my GUI. Not as console command
[12:55] <Mamarok> rysh: it was there long before any GUI :)
[12:56] <Serpardum> any assembly programmers here?  which do you prefer, nasm or gas?
[12:56] <rysh> OK ... learned something new again today
[12:56] <rysh> :-)
[12:56] <Serpardum> good.  You should learn somethign new every day.
[12:56] <Serpardum> If a day goes by and I didn't learn anything new I think of it as a wasted day ^^
[12:56] <Mamarok> Serpardum: only touched that about 30 years ago, never since, sry
[12:56] <rysh> Yeah ... i try ... but just relaxing without learning is also nice :-P
[12:57] <Mamarok> rysh: relaxing with learning is even better :)
[12:57] <Serpardum> then you learn how to relax
[12:57] <rysh> :-)
[12:57] <ma7moud> how to install msn?
[12:57] <ma7moud> and yahoo
[12:57] <Serpardum> does msn work in linux?
[12:58] <rysh> don't :-P
[12:58] <Serpardum> miranda probably does?
[12:58] <rysh> pidgin for multi protocol IM
[12:58] <Serpardum> miranda is one that includes all those, .. ahh, use pidgin instead then
[12:58] <rysh> for msn: kmess or amsn
[12:58] <rysh> another multiprotocol IM is Kopete
[12:59] <phh> hum, what about kopete ?
[12:59] <phh> .
[12:59] <rysh> Yeah :-)
[12:59] <phh> it's the best one
[12:59] <mathis> mon cul
[12:59] <phh> and it's a kde one (which is why k from kubuntu stands for btw.)
[12:59] <rysh> some like pidgin more ...
[12:59] <mathis> :)
[13:00] <phh> rysh: yes... i still haven't figured out how it is possible
[13:00] <Mamarok> mathis: watch your language!
[13:00] <rysh> Don't worry about it phh
[13:04] <cauvin> hi everybody!
[13:05] <Mamarok> hi cauvin
[13:05] <cauvin> is there everybody who speaks French ? I've a problem with my Ubuntu !
[13:05] <Mamarok> !fr | cauvin
[13:06] <cauvin> Thanks for the information !
[13:06] <cauvin> And excuse me for my bad english, have a nice day !
[13:06] <Serpardum> Hmm.. I have a package GRUB, I need some files from there.  What is the easiest way to find out whre grub is installed?
[13:07] <rysh> Serpardum: dpkg -L grub shows which files this package has installed and where
[13:08] <Serpardum> ahh, /usr/lib/grub/.. seems to be where I will find my files. htanks
[13:08] <rysh> :-) welcome
[13:10] <Serpardum> dang it, why does reality never coincide with instructions?
[13:12] <Freyr> how do i change my desktop background? i want to take some wallpapers from a folder
[13:12] <aftertaf> Freyr: right click on desktop, open the desktop settings
[13:12] <aftertaf> you can find it from there
[13:16] <Freyr> aftertaf: the icon was to small to see it :))
[13:18] <aftertaf> :)
[13:29] <Serpardum> I'm confused about something.  I'm following instructions for createing a grub boot thingie, and my grub file sizes are diffrent than shown.  Following a link to teh grub 0.97 files I see a file size of 98.8 KiB which is 101172.2.  But on my disk the file size is 121740.  why wywould it be different?  grub --version gives me 0.97
[13:29] <millun> hi
[13:29] <Serpardum> Hello
[13:29] <sanjay> hi
[13:30] <millun> i've installed 64b jaunty
[13:30] <millun> is there an up-to-date tutorial for flash AND JAVA?
[13:30] <Serpardum> !java
[13:30] <aftertaf> Serpardum: no idea man :(
[13:30] <sanjay__> sorry 4 d disturbance.. i need help in php can u help me ?.....
[13:31] <Serpardum> Well, java is a language.  Thre are lots of places to read about it including books, web sights, sun, etc..
[13:31] <Serpardum> same with flash pretty much
[13:31] <sanjay__> anybody
[13:31] <millun> !flash
[13:31] <sanjay__>  >?????????????
[13:31] <Mamarok> sanjay__: patience!
[13:31] <Mamarok> sanjay__: if anybody knows how to help you will get an answer, you might also try #php
[13:32] <sanjay__> thankz
[13:32] <Serpardum> I think you might get more answers for java/flash on quakenet.org irc
[13:32] <Serpardum> I don't see #java here
[13:32] <Mamarok> millun: you mean, tutorial on how to develop?
[13:32] <Serpardum> not saying you wont get answers here, I dont' know all the channels here
[13:32] <sanjay__> thankz Mamarok !! bcoz i 'm new in IRC...
[13:33] <Mamarok> sanjay__: no problem
[13:33] <sanjay__> great !
[13:33] <millun> Mamarok: no, i need 64 bit plugins for Firefox
[13:33] <Mamarok> sanjay__: just avoid impatience and do not shout or put to much sings in your messages
[13:33] <Serpardum> My problem with the file size diffence is this: the instructions tell me to create a pad file of 750 bytes which is 102400 - len(stage1) - len(stage2).  But stage1 is 512.  stage2 is 121740.  That's a negative file size ^^
[13:33] <Serpardum> so I have no clue what size to make the pad file, etc...
[13:34] <aftertaf> try #grub ?
[13:34] <Mamarok> millun: so you are lookin for the new flash 64 bit, did you try installing flashplugin-nonfree?
[13:34] <Serpardum> ooh it exist?
[13:34] <sanjay__> ok Mamarok .. so how r u ? and wher r u from ?
[13:34] <Mamarok> Serpardum: yes!
[13:34] <Serpardum> thanks
[13:34] <Mamarok> sanjay__: this is a support channel, for chitchat there is #kubuntu-offtopic
[13:34] <millun> i think i'll try installing kubuntu-restricted-extras first
[13:35] <Mamarok> and it does not matter where we are from
[13:35] <millun> i can't mess anything up
[13:35] <Mamarok> millun: that's mostly for mp3 support, you won't find flash in there
[13:35] <sanjay__> how do i get this #php ?
[13:35] <Mamarok> millun: flash is non free, so
[13:35] <millun> ok
[13:36] <Mamarok> sanjay__: just type ¦join #php
[13:36] <Mamarok> oops, /join #php
[13:37] <Mamarok> sanjay__: please do not query me
[13:38] <Serpardum> bah, everyone seems to be asleep in #grub :(
[13:38] <Mamarok> Serpardum: especially on weekends :)
[13:38] <Serpardum> I have ot leave in about 20 minutes anway
[13:39] <millun> Mamarok: kubuntu-restricted-extas contains flash
[13:39] <Serpardum> sudo apt-get grub2 gives me: E: Invalid operation grub2.  bah
[13:39] <Mamarok> millun: well, but not necessarily the one you are looking for...
[13:39] <Serpardum> even thogh it's shown in apt-cache it's listed as (dummy package)
[13:41] <aftertaf> grub2 is new experimental version
[13:41] <aftertaf> Serpardum: you forgot the word install ;)
[13:42] <Serpardum> oh
[13:42] <aftertaf> :)
[13:44] <Serpardum> I sure hope I'm not breaking anything.  kubuntu doesn't use grub to boot does it?
[13:45] <Mamarok> of course it does
[13:45] <Serpardum> dang.  let me see if this runs *sigh*
[13:45] <Serpardum> brb hoefully
[13:50] <aftertaf> lol
[13:51] <phh> poor serpandum.
[13:54] <rysh> :-)
[13:55] <Mamarok> ... not funny for him though
[13:55] <rysh> true
[13:56] <Mamarok> restoring grup, life CD and stuff, lot of work
[13:56] <Mamarok> that always held me back from trying out grub2
[13:56] <rysh> Yeah ... if he will find that. Seems installing with apt-get was already difficult
[13:56] <aftertaf> he will be back.
[13:56] <Mamarok> was it?
 sudo apt-get grub2 gives me: E: Invalid operation grub2.  bah
[13:57] <Mamarok> well, forgetting a word in a command line has happened to all of us I guess :)
[13:57] <aftertaf> more than once :)
[13:57]  * Mamarok didn't count
[13:57] <aftertaf> lol
[13:57] <Mamarok> too much work
[13:58] <rysh> :-)
[13:58] <aftertaf> i did say the word experimental too.... ;)
[13:58] <aftertaf> before helping him kill his bootloader
[13:58] <rysh> actually i installed grub2 today on debian ... and yes ... it is a lot different .. and more complicated
[14:00] <SOBEAR> I killed my grub, partitions and everything, now this hdd won't even boot :D
[14:02] <LadyNikon> SOBEAR: get a restore disk and fish grub :D
[14:03] <ign0ramus> can someone tell me why this shell script begins a task, but never completes? >> http://pastebin.com/m58c1835
[14:03] <SOBEAR> I already tried everything but I just swapped hdds and installed systems on the second one
[14:03] <BluesKaj> G'Day all
[14:04] <SOBEAR> hi BluesKaj
[14:04] <aftertaf> ign0ramus: your while clause doesnt see to do much
[14:04] <BluesKaj> hi SOBEAR, how goesit?
[14:05] <ign0ramus> aftertaf, you're right, that is an artifact from a previous iteration... i will remove now.
[14:05] <SOBEAR> I kinda sorted out my hdd problems, now I'll have to remove all the partitions and create now ones
[14:06] <BluesKaj> lotsa partitions :)
[14:06] <fabitech> ciao
[14:06] <SOBEAR> 4 of 'em ;)
[14:06] <ign0ramus> ok, removed the "while" and "do" commands, but still getting errors: http://pastebin.com/m5eef1b33
[14:06] <BluesKaj> 4 isn't too much
[14:06] <aftertaf> ign0ramus: this is what I do : http://pastebin.com/d7c1c312a
[14:07] <kaddi> ing0ramus: i'm pretty mucha noob at this, but shouldn't you do a shift to leave the case-environnemnt.
[14:07] <BluesKaj> SOBEAR, i assume you managed to get a mbr/grub menu working.
[14:08] <ign0ramus> aftertaf, hmm... that's a different (and more elegant) way to do it... i'm very new with shell scripts and trying to get this simple thing going
[14:08] <aftertaf>  ign0ramus   better still :   http://pastebin.com/d7f7aaed5
[14:08] <aftertaf> samle but with all the menu code :)
[14:08] <SOBEAR> yeah, everything went smooth when I was installing kubuntu
[14:08] <aftertaf> i fished it from a site not so long ago :)
[14:09] <ign0ramus> aftertaf, in your script: "2.sh: 19: print_all: not found"
[14:10] <aftertaf> of course :)
[14:10] <aftertaf> i call my other functions. the script in question is 900 lines long :)
[14:10] <ign0ramus> aftertaf, aha!
[14:10] <aftertaf> ;)
[14:10] <aftertaf> i copied a working example from something i work on
[14:10] <ign0ramus> aftertaf, is my script workable with the parameters and commands i currently have?
[14:11] <ign0ramus> aftertaf, i am very new, and just learned about the commands and syntax i am using
[14:11] <aftertaf> keep at it.
[14:11] <aftertaf> ive been using bash since january :)
[14:11] <aftertaf> and i'm now here : http://pastebin.com/f6a042b8c
[14:12] <ign0ramus> aftertaf, that i will do.  i've been using ubuntu for a couple of years, but first got into shell scripts a few weeks ago to automate some basic stuff
[14:12] <aftertaf> nice one :) stick with it, google around and ask ... :)
[14:12] <ign0ramus> aftertaf, O_o
[14:13] <ign0ramus> aftertaf, i have found that you don't ask questions in #bash unless you're an expert :/
[14:13] <enzotib> there is a good alternative to synaptic package manager in kde? (excluding synaptic, that brings a lot of gnome libraries, and excluding kpackagekit, that does not have all the synaptic features)
[14:13] <ign0ramus> enzotib, kpackagekit, adept, or (recommended) terminal
[14:13] <Mamarok> enzotib: apt-get
[14:14] <Mamarok> enzotib: command line is much faster and works like a charm, also there is aptitude with nice search outputs
[14:14] <Mamarok> it even has an ncurses-like interface
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> apt-get apt-cache and apt-file   all you need :)
[14:15] <ign0ramus> Mamarok, the only thing i still use a gui for is for finding packages based on description, which i am sure apt is capable of doing.  what would be the syntax to search by description and not package name?
[14:15] <Mamarok> but for GUI synaptic is the best I know from the usability POV, and there is a lot of work being put into KPackagekit
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> ign0ramus: apt-cache does that
[14:15] <Mamarok> ign0ramus: just use aptitude search term
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> ign0ramus: apt-cache search burn
[14:16] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, so something like "sudo apt-cache search burn emulator" would be a suitable command?
[14:16] <Mamarok> burn emulator?
[14:16] <Mamarok> that sounds strange
[14:16] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, oh, 'burn' was a search term! XD
[14:16] <ign0ramus> got it :)
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> ign0ramus: yeah burn is the search string
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> apt-cache search emulator
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> you caan even grep the output ;)
[14:17] <enzotib> ign0ramus, Mamarok, how to show all medibuntu packages, as an examples?
[14:17] <aftertaf> ign0ramus: quick example of menu that does nothing much . . . http://pastebin.com/m2cf6fd50
[14:17] <ign0ramus> awesome! now i don't need a gui for *anything*!
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> apt-cache search firefox | grep plugin
[14:17] <ign0ramus> <3 grep
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> ign0ramus: you do if you want flash in websites
[14:17] <Mamarok> enzotib: aptitude search medibuntu
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> ign0ramus: otherwise cli can do EVERYTHING
[14:18] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, sorry, i meant a gui for apt
[14:18] <Mamarok> enzotib: but you need to enable the repository to find something
[14:18] <enzotib> Mamarok: enable how?
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> ign0ramus: not sure on that front dude
[14:19] <Mamarok> enzotib: you need to add the repository in your sources.list
[14:19] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, what would a gui for apt offer that cli cannot?
[14:19] <aftertaf> ign0ramus: icons :)
[14:19] <enzotib> Mamarok: it is already there, and aptitude search medibuntu gives only three lines
[14:19] <Mamarok> ign0ramus: blings
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> ign0ramus: it would offer a prett gui, thats all
[14:20] <Mamarok> enzotib: because there are only 3 files that have medibuntu in either the file or the description
[14:20] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, that's what i thought, but you said you werent sure that i didn't need a gui for apt anymore
[14:20] <enzotib> Mamarok: so this doesn't answer to my question, how to show all packages coming from a given source?
[14:21] <ActionParsnip> ign0ramus: folks use synaptic which is similar
[14:22] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, i try to stay away from the frontends altogether, and now that i've learned how to search by package description, my last dependency on them has been resolved :)
[14:22] <aftertaf> i learnt dpkg -L today :)
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> ign0ramus: ssh ahoy ;)
[14:22] <aftertaf> my biggest synapic loader
[14:23] <Mamarok> enzotib: start aptitude without options will open an ncourses-like window where you can search by sources
[14:23] <ign0ramus> aftertaf, apparently "-l" will search strings and patterns instead of strict names
[14:24] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, :)
[14:24] <aftertaf> ign0ramus: an exmple?
[14:24] <aftertaf> dpkg -l ?
[14:24] <ign0ramus> aftertaf, exactly
[14:24] <Mamarok> ncurses* even
[14:24] <aftertaf> :) cool
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> dpkgl -l lists ALL installed packages
[14:25] <ign0ramus> aftertaf, "dpkg -l flashplugin*"
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> dpkg -l | grep -i irc
[14:26] <enzotib> Mamarok: thank you, I already tried aptitude interface, but how to set search string to match all packages from a given source?
[14:27] <aftertaf> i do dpkg -l|grep something a lot...
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> aftertaf: make a script for it ;)
[14:28] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, thanks for posting that... i forgot i still had quassel installed.  It's over 50MB!
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> ign0ramus: yikes!!
[14:28] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, not that i'm hard-pressed for storage, but 50MB for an irc client?
[14:29] <ActionParsnip> its a lot excessive, but imho its kde so they go together
[14:29] <ign0ramus> lol
[14:32] <robin0800_> ActionParsnip: I like quassel a lot very clean lines and not too many bugs
[14:32] <ActionParsnip> pidgin for me, tried and tested
[14:32]  * Mamarok likes irssi in a screen session
[14:32] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, pidgin works well for irc?
[14:33] <ActionParsnip> plus it chats on all the other stuff i chat on too
[14:33] <Mamarok> had to get used to, but now I don't like gui clients anymore :)
[14:33] <ActionParsnip> ign0ramus: !worksforme
[14:33] <ign0ramus> Mamarok, irssi is awesome, but why do they have to use such odd commands, when there are 'industry standards'?
[14:33] <Mamarok> ign0ramus: no idea, ask the developer :)
[14:34] <Mamarok> and "standards" always depend on who defines those
[14:34] <Mamarok> see OOXML...
[14:34]  * ign0ramus groans
[14:34] <ign0ramus> i thought OOXML never become ISO
[14:35] <ign0ramus> *became
[14:35] <ign0ramus> nope, according to /. it is ISO
[14:35]  * ign0ramus weeps
[14:35] <Mamarok> ign0ramus: with enough money everything does
[14:36] <ign0ramus> Mamarok, sadly this is the truth
[14:36] <Barridus> hmm, is there a way to make the Quicklaunch widget take up less space, like having the icons smaller?
[14:36] <Mamarok> ign0ramus: and they can't even implement it on their own stuff, no backwards compatibility
[14:36] <Mamarok> OOo reads that without problems btw :)
[14:37] <ign0ramus> Mamarok, i think there's a package you can install for compatiblity (/me works in a MSFT environment), but it is still garbage, considering the GPL'd alternatives
[14:37] <ign0ramus> Mamarok, speaking of money, there is talk that OOo may be abandoned :(
[14:38] <Mamarok> ign0ramus: rumors, I'll only beliee it when it happens
[14:38] <ign0ramus> Mamarok, time will tell how Oracle decides to treat some of Sun's more generous offerings (virtualbox included)
[14:39] <Mamarok> +v
[14:39] <Mamarok> ok, afk for some time, bbl
[14:42] <faileas> ign0ramus: there's already a fork, and a handful of possible replacements for OOo :)
[14:43] <ign0ramus> faileas, I'm sure the OSS community will not leave us hanging, but I do like my OOo so much
[14:43] <ign0ramus> faileas, do you have a link to the fork? i haven't heard about that one..
[14:43] <faileas> ign0ramus: go-oo.org?
[14:43] <ign0ramus> faileas, cool... checking now
[14:44] <ign0ramus> faileas, still java-based?
[14:44] <faileas> ya
[14:44] <ign0ramus> faileas, i can deal with that
[14:44] <faileas> has some patches the regular version rejected i think
[14:47] <ign0ramus> faileas, seems impressive - everything i like about OOo, and better performance to boot!
[14:52] <c5froa> can anyone find lm_sensors???
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> abiword/gnumeric is a decent replacement
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> !find lm_sensors
[14:52] <c5froa> sudo apt-get install lm_sensors - package not found
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> !find lm-sensors
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> !find ksensors
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> !info ksensors
[14:53] <Slimmo> ce qualke italiano che mi spiega come funziona il programma??
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> !it | Slimmo
[14:54] <enzotib> Kobe87: /j #ubuntu-it
[14:55] <c5froa> thanks lm_sensors found and installed ; )
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> sweet
[15:00] <ign0ramus> 2 easy bash questions: 1) how to clear all text at a prompt?
[15:00] <millun> should i install Java manually or use a packagE?
[15:00] <ign0ramus> 2) how to go to beginning of line of text at prompt?
[15:01] <ign0ramus> millun, whichever you'd like... it is easiest to install "kubuntu-restricted-extras", but read up on it first to see if you want all that stuff
[15:01] <Barridus> that's what i do
[15:03] <enzotib> ign0ramus: Ctrl-A Ctrl-K
[15:04] <ign0ramus> thanks enzotib!
[15:04] <enzotib> ign0ramus: are readline questions, not bash related
[15:05] <ign0ramus> enzotib, as long as they work in this environment, that's all i require for now.  thanks again.
[15:06] <Steve^> How do I edit the favourites that appear in the main menu?
[15:07] <PhilRod> Steve^: right-click on something in the menu -> add to faviourte
[15:07] <PhilRod> favorites*
[15:07] <Barridus> right click to remove them, and right click entries in the normal apps menu to add them
[15:08] <Steve^> hmm, thanks
[15:08] <Steve^> not sure why I didn't think of that
[15:09] <Barridus> it's ok, i didn't either at first XD
[15:14] <ActionParsnip> ign0ramus: clear will clear the terminal of text
[15:15] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, yup, i knew that one, but if you already have typed a bunch of stuff at prompt and want to delete it all.  I found ctrl+u works
[15:16] <ActionParsnip> ign0ramus: sweet cheers dude, like it
[15:16] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, i often do "sudo apt-get install flash" (for example), and then hit tab x2 to see what the options are.  If i don't see what i want, now i can ctrl+u to get rid of that text
[15:17] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, and i do have a bit of ocd, and i use 'clear' whenever i'm done using the terminal, because it looks 'cleaner'  :/
[15:18] <ActionParsnip> i use it before apt-cache commands so its easier to read
[15:18] <Shadoze> I highly recommend you use Yakuake as your terminal ;)
[15:18] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, that works too
[15:19] <ActionParsnip> Shadoze: i do, its killer (well, tilda, I use LXDE)
[15:19] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, i used it on Feisty, but i never saw the benefits, as i keep at least one Konsole open at all times
[15:19] <Shadoze> I like it because i find it non intrusive
[15:19] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, does Yakuake work over Plasma?
[15:19] <Shadoze> However using it when cd'ing to folders cna be a pain
[15:19] <rain> hi
[15:19] <Shadoze> Want me to test?
[15:19] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, sure
[15:20] <ActionParsnip> Shadoze: why is it a pain?
[15:20] <rain> does anyone know where adept installs programs?
[15:20] <Shadoze> yes it works over plasma
[15:20] <ActionParsnip> rain: all over the place
[15:20] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, nice :)
[15:20] <Shadoze> Say i wanted to cd to the folder im currently in
[15:20] <rain> ok
[15:20] <Shadoze> yakuake will quite often cover it up
[15:20] <ActionParsnip> rain: due to th enature of linux, the shared libs go into /usr/lib
[15:20] <ign0ramus> rain, many executables are placed in /usr/bin
[15:20] <ActionParsnip> rain: and a binary will be in /usr/bin
[15:21] <ign0ramus> ^ this.
[15:21] <ActionParsnip> rain: its not like windows where theres a folder for each app
[15:21] <ActionParsnip> rain: as a user, you arent bothered where they are, as long as they work
[15:21] <Shadoze> When i was learning Linux related systems (still am) i read this article
[15:21] <Shadoze> http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/linuxdir.html
[15:21] <Shadoze> i highly recommend it to you
[15:22] <rain> I am using kubuntu 8.04 and I wanna install OOo 3.1 but adept always installs me 2.4 when I try Install it
[15:22] <Shadoze> 3.0 is the latest in the main repository
[15:22] <Shadoze> You have to add an additional one if you want 3.1
[15:22] <ActionParsnip> rain: you need a repo with 3.1 on it
[15:22] <Shadoze> ign helped me install it last night
[15:23] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, did you just do that yesterday?
[15:23] <rain> and when I downloaded new OOo from its home peage I got many deb files and  script named "update"
[15:23] <ign0ramus> haha yeah!
[15:23] <Shadoze> :P shall i linjk him to the softpedia article?
[15:23] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, it is "famous" :D
[15:23] <Shadoze> According to them ;)
[15:23] <Shadoze> http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Install-OpenOffice-org-3-1-on-Ubuntu-9-04-111105.shtml
[15:23] <Shadoze> there you go rain
[15:23] <rain> and it asks for dire, but I have no idea what dir I shoud use
[15:24] <ActionParsnip> rain: http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/05/install-openoffice-31-in-ubuntu-jaunty.html
[15:24] <Shadoze> Lol when i installed it it came without icons
[15:24] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, yeah, thats a separate package
[15:24] <Shadoze> And there splashscreen was still 3.0, though i checked the build and it's 3.1 for sure ;)
[15:24] <ActionParsnip> rain: add the repo for your release then upgrade into 3.1
[15:24] <Shadoze> remember your keys!
[15:24] <Shadoze> otherwise you will simply get "update blocked"
[15:24] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, you know them well, now
[15:24] <rain> so I heve to add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ppa/ubuntu hardy main ?
[15:24] <Shadoze> yes
[15:25] <Shadoze> Haha, yes i do :P
[15:25] <rain> I tried I and I get error with it
[15:25] <ActionParsnip> rain: yes to /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:25] <ActionParsnip> rain: what error?
[15:25] <Shadoze> You can also do it via the kpackagekit
[15:25] <Shadoze> If you wish
[15:25] <what_if> I have a problem... awm, avant window manager starts up with KDE, but not from the obvious place, ie. ~/.kde/Autostart .  Google is no help...
[15:25] <rain> W: GPG error: http://packages.medibuntu.org hardy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2EBC26B60C5A2783
[15:25] <rain> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net hardy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 60D11217247D1CFF
[15:25] <rain> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[15:26] <ign0ramus> what_if, check /etc/init.d
[15:26] <ActionParsnip> rain: read the link i gave, theres a key there
[15:26] <ActionParsnip> rain: and use pastebin for large pastes like that
[15:26] <ign0ramus> what_if, they may be starting as a service
[15:26] <Shadoze> http://news.softpedia.com/images/extra/LINUX/small/key
[15:26] <Shadoze> is your key
[15:26] <what_if> ign0ramus: not listed in /etc/init.d/ :(
[15:27] <ActionParsnip> rain: http://pastebin.com/m4c339eac  is your key
[15:27] <ign0ramus> what_if, what if you start with an empty session?
[15:27] <what_if> ign0ramus: by empty session you mean not kde or gnome? failsafe ?
[15:27] <ActionParsnip> rain: paste ALL that into a text file then run: sudo apt-key add <filename you chose>
[15:27] <rain> Where I copy that key?
[15:27] <ign0ramus> what_if, in System Settings, there is options for Sessions
[15:28] <ActionParsnip> rain: a text editor, then save it some place you can access it, like in your home dir, the name doesnt matter
[15:28] <Resistol> Are global hotkeys working in the latest Kubuntu?
[15:28] <Shadoze> Well, printscreen does not work out the box
[15:28] <rain> ok
[15:28] <what_if> ign0ramus: empty session selected, will have to leave here, brb
[15:28] <rain> I will try it
[15:28] <ign0ramus> what_if, ok
[15:29] <Shadoze> I still havn't been able to fix it =-/
[15:29] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, i have a great solution if you're interested
[15:29] <Shadoze> fire away ;)
[15:29] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, when i hit prtscrn, it automatically places a full screenshot on the desktop, ready to be posted or edited
[15:29] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, sound like what you want?
[15:29] <Resistol> What is the difference between sudo and kdesu?
[15:29] <Shadoze> Indeed it does ;)
[15:30] <ign0ramus> !kdesudo | Resistol
[15:30] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, "sudo apt-get install scrot"
[15:30] <Shadoze> @Resi https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KdeFour/KdeSudo
[15:30] <what_if> ign0ramus: empty session selected and it still loads :9
[15:30] <Shadoze> I will check that out ign
[15:30] <ign0ramus> what_if, ergh...
[15:31] <ActionParsnip> Resistol: sudo is ONLY for cli commands, like rm, cp, mv, ln etc. kdesu is for gui apps like nautilus, kate tec
[15:31] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, well, there's more to it than that... scrot is simply a cli app for screenshots
[15:31] <what_if> ign0ramus: this time yakuake did not though (which I wanted, lol)
[15:31] <ActionParsnip> Resistol: if you run gui apps with sudo you will get mangled owners and problems
[15:31] <what_if> ign0ramus: you see my frustration now? this defies what I thought I knew of how/what KDE loadsd
[15:31] <what_if> *loads
[15:31] <ActionParsnip> Resistol: sudo does not set up the environment correctly for gui apps, hence why both exist
[15:32] <ActionParsnip> !bum
[15:32] <Shadoze> :p do i need to point the print screen  to scrot?
[15:32] <ActionParsnip> !startup
[15:32] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, that doesn't help him, as sessions and ~/.kde/Autostart don't address his issue :/
[15:33] <what_if> ign0ramus: this was set to autoload in gnome nas is autoloading in kde as well...
[15:33] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, ok, go to System Settings > Input Actions
[15:33] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, create a new action, call it whatever you want
[15:34] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, bind the prtscrn button, and then use this as the command:
[15:34] <Resistol> thanks ActionParsnip and Shadoze and ign0ramus
[15:34] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, scrot '%s.png' -e 'mv $f ~/Desktop/'
[15:34] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, apply and close
[15:34] <Barridus> what_if, i just noticed this convo, so if you've done this already i apologize.  have you looked in System Settings -> Advanced -> Autostart
[15:34] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, now hitting prtscrn will place a full screenshot (named by the second) on your Desktop :)
[15:35] <what_if> Barridus: !! lol
[15:35] <what_if> Barridus: that was it... new to kde4
[15:36] <ActionParsnip> Resistol: gnome has gksudo
[15:36] <Shadoze> Cheers, just setting it up ;)
[15:36] <Barridus> what_if, yeah i ran into the same issue a while back when i switched XD
[15:36] <what_if> Barridus: I thought all autoloaded items were in Autostart... tyvm
[15:36] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, let me know if that works for you.  i specified .png for best resolution and least amount of artifacts
[15:36] <Barridus> yw
[15:37] <ign0ramus> Shadoze, iirc, scrot also supports .jpg, .bmp, .gif and others
[15:37] <Resistol> Also, has anyone been able to get flash videos to work fullscreen properly?  I have been struggling with youtube, hulu etc - cpu usage spikes, framerate dies to less than 2fps, lots of tearing, etc
[15:37] <ign0ramus> Resistol, integrated intel graphics?
[15:38] <Resistol> No, I'm using an NVidia 8600 gt
[15:38] <Resistol> but i've also had trouble with intel integrated laptops
[15:39] <what_if> Resistol: fs flash works fine here
[15:39] <BluesKaj> Resistol, full scrn on youtube ...isn't that pretty fuzzy res ?
[15:39] <ign0ramus> Resistol, for intel, see this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1130582
[15:39] <ActionParsnip> Resistol: works sweet here on 6150
[15:39] <Shadoze> Like so ign?