[00:01] <kirkland> awe: yeah, i think so
[00:01] <awe> ok
[00:02] <awe> see you in dublin!
[00:57] <pwnguin> hmm
[00:57] <pwnguin> wonder what happened to that eclipse guy
[00:59] <nhandler> Packaging Perl Module session will be starting soon in #ubuntu-classroom
[01:00] <they> nhandler: who would want to waste time on that?
[01:00] <they> :P
[01:02] <ajmitch> someone who's not enlightened as to the wonders of python packaging & the associated fun?
[01:03] <they> <3 python packages
[01:04] <ajmitch> python is nice, but the mess surrounding packaging isn't so hot
[01:04] <ajmitch> partly due to how many different things have come through from upstream
[01:16]  * directhex runs dh_clilibs
[01:17] <they> there was an eclipse guy?
[01:23] <directhex> vorian, someone who expressed an interest in helping eclipse packaging
[01:24] <vorian> i see
[01:24] <vorian> last log ftw
[01:24] <directhex> indeed
[01:39] <Sarvatt> turning the eclipse package into a script that just downloads it from eclipse would be nice :D
[01:39] <directhex> s/nice/kludgy/
[02:03] <stochastic> This package REVU only needs one more advocation http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xwax  Anyone have a second?
[02:08] <directhex> stochastic, you seem to be specifying debhelper 7, but at a glance, i don't see anything in your file which isn't from dh5... am i failing to see something obvious?
[02:58] <stochastic> directhex, I think I got some lintian warning about dh_prep that prompted the debhelper 7 req (IIRC), but I could try 5 and see...
[03:02] <stochastic> directhex, yes, here's the Lintian warning I get with debhelper 5: xwax source: debhelper-script-needs-versioned-build-depends dh_prep (>= 7)
[04:23] <porthose> nhandler, would you please have a look at bug #389654 and give me some hints on how to correct the mentioned lintian error :)
[04:26] <nhandler> porthose: Sure, let me take a look
[04:38] <nhandler> porthose: I really haven't done much with translations/debconf translations, so in order to avoid guiding you incorrectly, I would suggest asking someone else. I am sorry
[04:39] <porthose>  nhandler, np I'll post a message the the ml :)
[04:40] <porthose> s/the/to
[04:40] <nhandler> porthose: I'll be watching to see the answer :)
[05:30] <nhandler> I just noticed this wiki page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnsignedGpgKey If someone gets a chance, it should probably be updated
[05:36] <freeflying> anyone would like share the dput.cf for upload to ubuntu?
[05:36] <freeflying> or is there any changes?
[05:36] <freeflying> thanks
[05:37] <ScottK> freeflying: It should be the standard one that came with dput.
[05:38] <freeflying> ScottK: its strange, I uploaded twice, nothing happened, no email tell accept or reject
[05:39] <ScottK> freeflying: Launchpad was down for maintenance earlier today.  Maybe stuff is backed up.
[05:40] <freeflying> ScottK: first try was done about 20 hrs ago
[05:40] <ScottK> Oh.
[05:40] <ScottK> I don't know then.
[05:40] <ScottK> freeflying: I'd ask in #launchpad then.  If anyone is around they can look it up.
[05:45] <freeflying> ScottK: thanks
[09:49] <ttx> slytherin: ping
[10:11] <slytherin> ttx: pong
[10:12] <ttx> slytherin: about the jetty6 thing... It's not really a package rename. It's rather the idea of uploading the new major release under a separate source package
[10:12] <ttx> slytherin: since we expect to do a separate jetty7 in the future anyway
[10:14] <ttx> from an Ubuntu perspective, we need the jetty 6 libraries in karmic but the jetty 6 work in progress in debian isn't mature enough to be used... Having a jetty6 package solves this, we can upload our own and merge with debian when ready
[10:14] <slytherin> ttx: What do you mean by not mature enough?
[10:16] <ttx> slytherin: it hasn't hit experimental yet. I identified a few upgrade issues, and I expect other issues when someone will start using it. And we need the jetty6 libraries in Ubuntu main.
[10:18] <slytherin> and you think it will not be in good shape before FF?
[10:18] <ttx> slytherin: I doubt it. Not to main QA standards
[10:19] <ttx> so I'd upload our own simplified jetty6 thing, and ideally we would just merge the debian jetty6 in karmic+1
[10:19] <ttx> but if it's called "jetty" the whole process is a lot more complicated.
[10:21] <slytherin> ttx: hmm. How about let Debian devs upload it with name jetty (it's already in new), sync it in karmic and do the modifications as per our need.
[10:22] <ttx> slytherin: I'm slightly concerned in updating the "jetty" package with something that doesn't upgrade properly
[10:23] <ttx> also I see value in keeping jetty5 libraries available
[10:23] <ttx> slytherin: but yes, we could follow that route
[10:24] <ttx> it's just that I don't have so much time to dedicate to jetty package QA
[10:24] <ttx> slytherin: do you think you would ?
[10:25] <ttx> slytherin: i don't agree with the "it's not used at all anyway" approach from Marcus
[10:26] <ttx> slytherin: i don't know of the daemon, but the libraries are used by some Ubuntu-powered Java developers.
[10:27] <ttx> for them having jetty(5) and jetty6 available makes sense.
[10:27] <slytherin> tough decision.
[10:28] <ttx> slytherin: and it's theirs rather than ours. Though you sit on both tables :)
[10:28] <ttx> Just wanted to make you understand why I was asking.
[10:29] <slytherin> Thing is Debian Java has revived recently and there is lot of activity. So I want to play nice with them as well. It's people like Marcus, Matthew, Ludovic, Vincent that are driving force these days in D-J.
[10:29] <ttx> Note that the developers working on jetty wanted to call it jetty6 originally. They changed their mind on Marcus request.
[10:31] <ttx> In the end they (Ludovic and Torsten) are the ones who will do the work.
[10:35] <slytherin> That is probably because Marcus mentioned that current jetty package is buggy and there is no phasing out.
[10:42] <Laney> will anything break if I just rename a git repository?
[10:46] <Laney> mv foo.git bar.git
[10:55] <juli_> slytherin, Hi! I've changed source package name to "cobertura" and corrected it as you suggested yesterday. Now the package is here: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/cobertura. Could you, please, confirm that you are ok with the changes. Thanks in advance.
[12:44] <david_mentre> gaspa: hello Andrea. No news regarding ocaml upload?
[12:45] <Laney> it's been done hasn't it?
[12:45] <Laney> david_mentre: ^
[12:51] <david_mentre> Laney: Hello Laney. As far as I know, ocaml packages are still in sync-blacklist.txt and ocaml source package in Karmic is still 3.11.0-5
[12:52] <Laney> the sync has been approved; all you can do is wait for it to be processed
[12:53] <Laney> I suggest that you reopen bug 387943 and ask for those changes to be undone too to avoid confusion
[13:21] <david_mentre> Laney: ok, I'm waiting for the sync to be processed. I reopened bug 387943.
[13:22] <Laney> david_mentre: cool, nie one
[13:22] <Laney> nice
[15:06] <slytherin> juli_: I added a comment. If you fixed that within 2 hours. I will try building it.
[15:06] <slytherin> ttx: still there?
[15:06] <ttx> slytherin: yes
[15:07] <slytherin> ttx: whenever you get time, can you check swtcalendar and monajat on revu? I have already added advocations on those.
[15:08] <ttx> slytherin: I add it to my TODO list, eta unknown :)
[15:08] <slytherin> thanks
[15:16] <noodles775> Hi dyfet: I saw you updated the ubuntu-mobile-voice-user-interface regarding the packaging... Have you had a chance to try the updated packages? I could only try the executables in a chroot env. (so no audio etc.).
[15:20] <dyfet> That is one thing I was going to do some testing.  I simply noted that the package has been updated :)
[15:20] <juli_> slytherin, Thanks! Could you tell ms which license I should use for debian/*? GPL-2+?
[15:21] <dyfet> I was also reformatting the blueprint's wb for progress tracking...
[15:22] <slytherin> juli_: your choice. I usually keep it in sync with the license for application/library source.
[15:23] <juli_> slytherin, ok, thanks.
[15:23] <juli_> slytherin,  will upload corrected version soon
[15:24] <highvoltage> http://loldebian.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/mono-rejected/
[15:25] <slytherin> highvoltage: what is that?
[15:26] <highvoltage> slytherin: a loldebian post.
[15:32] <noodles775> dyfet: ah ok, yes, please let me know the results (or add them to the revu if you get a chance)
[15:35] <dyfet> noodles775: I will add my results to revu
[15:36] <noodles775> Thanks!
[15:40] <juli_> slytherin, done: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=6444.  Thanks for helping me to make the package better!
[15:43] <slytherin> juli_: I am in office currently. Expect reply within 3 hours.
[15:44] <juli_> slytherin, ok. I'm waiting for.
[15:59] <awe> StevenK: ping
[16:02] <StevenK> awe: Yes?
[16:02] <awe> i finished a couple of merge that you previously uploaded, could you take a peek and ack 'em for me?
[16:02] <awe> s/merge/merges/
[16:02] <awe> please?
[16:03] <StevenK> awe: Not now? It's 1 am :-)
[16:03] <awe> doh
[16:04] <awe> guess i need to start using that world time widget mgz mentioned the other day!
[16:04] <awe> i'll catch you later ( much )
[16:04] <bddebian> Heya gang
[16:06] <slytherin> awe: have you already filed bugs and added debdiffs there?
[16:07] <awe> slytherin: yes...i also meant syncs, not merges...
[16:08] <slytherin> awe: make sure you have subscribed appropriate sponsors teams. So if StevenK does not have time, someone else will take a look.
[16:09] <awe> i used requestsync, so they should be all set.  i was pinging steven cause he was the last uploader, and i figured i could buy him a guinness or three next time i see him for expedited service.  ;)
[16:10] <awe> slytherin: no rush.  thanks!
[16:10] <StevenK> awe: Send me a mail, and I'm happy to look when I start work
[16:10] <awe> StevenK: cool
[16:33] <directhex> fta, gwibber appears to be nice from the PPA.
[16:34] <fta> good
[16:34] <directhex> is it approximately what's in karmic?
[16:35] <fta> yes
[16:40] <asac> will will do a few contribution merges and then cut off 1.2 branch; then trunk will get a big bomb ;)
[16:42] <directhex> fta, hey, --enable-plugins almost sorts works ish!
[16:43] <directhex> (on chrome)
[16:43] <fta> directhex, unless you depend on gmail
[16:43] <fta> and s/chrome/chromium/g
[16:43] <directhex> fta, i don't. i do, however, have the silverlight 1.0 version of bubblemark displaying. albeit very jerkily
[18:54] <fabrice_sp> Hi. Any MOTU willing to sponsor the merge of gmerlin-avdecoder (Bug #283213)? It's a mandatory step to update openmovieeditor to latest version.
[18:55] <fabrice_sp> siretart, I saw you made some comments on Debian's mailing list on gmerlin-avdecoder. Do you have more info about that?
[19:05] <_andre> hyperair: hi :)  did you have some time to review those new packages?
[20:00] <hyperair> _andre: eh what?
[20:02] <_andre> hyperair: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/watchcatd
[20:15] <hyperair> i'll go look at it now
[20:15] <hyperair> _andre: you should change the Maintainer to Ubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if i'm not mistaken.
[20:17] <hyperair> _andre: priority should be optional, rather than extra.
[20:18] <hyperair> don't add COPYRIGHT to debian/docs
[20:22] <hyperair> _andre: get rid of debian/dirs
[20:23] <hyperair> _andre: and use a .install file to specify which files go into which package
[20:23] <hyperair> man dh_install for more info
[20:24] <hyperair> for installing the upstream ChangeLog, use override_dh_installchangelogs, and in that rule call dh_installchangelogs ChangeLog. man dh_installchangelogs for more info
[20:24] <hyperair> also drop the dh_install call, it'll be done automatically.
[20:29] <_andre> hyperair: thanks, i'll do that
[20:30] <_andre> i think i saw "Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in an example at the wiki, though
[20:30] <hyperair> _andre: also, rather than duplicating all the commands in the Makefile's install rule in debian/rules, why don't you add DESTDIR support to your Makefile? you're the upstream, aren't you?
[20:33] <_andre> i wanted to avoid making a new release just for that...
[20:34] <hyperair> ah
[20:34] <hyperair> then how about adding a patch system?
[20:34] <hyperair> and patching the Makefile?
[20:34] <_andre> because it's more complicated than just installing the files :)
[20:35] <hyperair> hmm tru
[20:35] <hyperair> e
[20:35] <hyperair> then use dh_install. =)
[20:35] <hyperair> it's much simpler
[20:37] <_andre> is it just "dh_install file destdir"?
[20:37] <hyperair> no
[20:37] <hyperair> just list your files in debian/watchcatd.install
[20:37] <hyperair> see the manpage
[20:38] <_andre> hmm
[20:38] <hyperair> what's dh_install -s?
[20:38] <hyperair> i haven't seen the -s option before
[20:39] <_andre> it was there from the dh_make template
[20:39] <_andre> i just left it
[20:40] <hyperair> ah.
[20:40] <hyperair> toss it
[20:40] <hyperair> dh_make is obsolete! =p
[20:41] <_andre> i noticed :P
[20:41] <c_korn> dh_make is obsolete?
[20:41] <hyperair> well not really
[20:42] <hyperair> it's just that the rules file produced is old
[20:42] <hyperair> not that it can't be used, just that it's longer and more cluttered
[20:42] <c_korn> oh, that you mean
[20:43] <_andre> hyperair: so if i use a .install file i can remove the override_dh_auto_install target?
[20:44] <hyperair> yes.
[20:45] <hyperair> also remove your debian/dirs file
[20:45] <_andre> ok
[20:46] <hyperair> another thing i noticed... your preinst and postrm scripts appear to create a user and a group
[20:46] <hyperair> what's the group used for?
[20:47] <_andre> well, it's just an unprivileged user, i think it makes sense for it to have its own user and group like most daemons that drop privileges have
[20:49] <_andre> so if there's a bug it won't have any access it shouldn't have because it shared some other group
[20:51] <hyperair> i don't think it requires its own group, does it? =\
[20:52] <hyperair> i mean, do users need to be in a group?
[20:52] <hyperair> no right?
[20:52] <RoAkSoAx> _andre: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField this will resolve your doubts on the Maintainer field in debian/control which now is Ubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:53] <_andre> hyperair: a user has to be in at least one group...
[20:53] <hyperair> it can be in nogroup
[20:54] <hyperair> actually nevermind. don't mind me
[20:54] <hyperair> i'm not sure about this
[20:54] <_andre> it's the same reason people don't use nobody as the daemon user
[20:55] <hyperair> i see
[20:55] <_andre> can a .install file handle renames?
[20:56] <_andre> the upstream file is called watchcatd.prod.conf but it should be installed as watchcatd.conf
[20:58] <geser> "dh_install cannot rename files or directories" (from the dh_install manpage)
[20:58] <_andre> oh
[20:59] <_andre> so i guess i'll still need the override
[21:00] <_andre> does that mean i need to keel the dirs file with "etc" in it?
[21:01] <geser> you can still rename it after you called dh_install
[21:04] <_andre> where do i do that?
[21:05] <geser> just add the necessary mv calls to debian/rules
[21:06] <_andre> isn't it better to just install them with the correct name in the first place?
[21:07] <geser> or that
[21:09] <_andre> testing the changes with pbuilder now...
[21:09] <geser> there is no one "true" way to do it, you've several options how you solve it
[21:24] <_andre> hyperair: new package uploaded
[22:06] <_andre> is there a dh command that automatically makes the shared library symlinks?
[22:10] <hyperair> _andre: no there isn't. the upstream build system should have handled that.
[22:10] <hyperair> _andre: you *really* should use autotools
[22:10] <hyperair> and possibly combine the packages into one source package
[22:11] <hyperair> anyway, is there a reason /etc/watchcatd.conf is to be 0600 rather than 0644?
[22:11] <_andre> just paranoia i guess
[22:12] <hyperair> hmm
[22:12] <hyperair> does watchcatd run as root?
[22:12] <hyperair> i remember you created a user right?
[22:12] <hyperair> which means that watchcatd should run as that user?
[22:12] <_andre> the master process does, the slave runs as user watchcat
[22:13] <hyperair> aah i see.
[22:13] <hyperair> slave? O_o
[22:13] <hyperair> what does the master do?
[22:13] <hyperair> and what does the slave do?
[22:13] <hyperair> also, is there a reason you duplicated this line: install -m0600 watchcatd.prod.conf $(BUILD_DIR)/etc/watchcatd.conf ?
[22:14] <_andre> the slave talks to the client programs who want to be monitored, and when one of those becomes unresponsive, the master kills it
[22:14] <hyperair> oh. i see.
[22:14] <hyperair> sounds like a rather roundabout way.
[22:14] <_andre> oops
[22:14] <_andre> no
[22:14] <hyperair> ?
[22:14] <_andre> shouldn't be duplicated
[22:14] <hyperair> ah
[22:15] <hyperair> also, you can combine your install -d line with your install -m600 line
[22:15] <hyperair> install -D -m0600 bla /etc/bla
[22:15] <hyperair> i mean $(BUILD_DIR)/etc/bla
[22:15] <_andre> cool, didn't know that
[22:16] <_andre> hyperair: the idea is to have as little code running as root as possible
[22:20] <hyperair> i see.
[22:20] <hyperair> _andre: what's to stop me from sending fake kill requests to the server?
[22:26] <_andre> hyperair: the client talks to the server via a unix socket, and it can only request its own pid to be killed
[22:27] <_andre> this can be asserted with getsockopt on linux and with a more complicated procedure on freebsd
[22:29] <hyperair> _andre: that's between the server and the slave. what about directly sending the request to the master?
[22:32] <_andre> hyperair: the master only talks to the slave, it doesn't accept direct connections from other processes
[22:32] <hyperair> ah. i se
[22:33] <_andre> this is very useful for example in a shared hosting environment
[22:33] <hyperair> mmhmm
[22:33] <hyperair> i see
[22:33] <_andre> you can monitor the apache processes
[22:33] <_andre> and bad code by your customers won't kill the server :)
[22:34] <hyperair> sounds good =)
[22:34] <_andre> but you need the mod_watchcat package too :P
[22:34] <hyperair> mmhmm of course
[22:35] <_andre> i'll upload watchcatd again without that duplicate line
[22:36] <nellery> chrisccoulson: were you planning on doing bug 403721
[22:42] <chrisccoulson> nellery - i didn't intend to work on it straight away. did you want to take it?
[22:42] <nellery> chrisccoulson: no that's alright, you can take it
[22:50] <hyperair> _andre: W: watchcatd: manpage-has-errors-from-man usr/share/man/man5/watchcatd.conf.5.gz 122: warning: `SE' not defined


[00:13] <topcat001> I don't think they are going to get it
[00:13] <topcat001> (or trolling)
[00:14] <tomreyn> topcat001: please rest the topic, which is off-topic here.
[01:13] <Guest9> Hey there what should i use to get a simple website where i can up)download files and edit/delete files
[01:13] <rbox> "get a website"?
[01:14] <Guest9> I have a ubuntu server and i'd like to see those files from the same network via the ip and a port in the browser.
[01:15] <rbox> what files
[01:16] <Guest9> Server file
[01:16] <Guest9> Some files for other applications like crafty controller
[01:17] <Guest9> I took a look at filebrowser bould it seemed a bit conplex to so, so is there anything that is simple to install?
[01:17] <Guest9> rbox any ideas?
[01:18] <rbox> everything is going to be "complex"
[01:19] <Guest9> Hmm i see, i there something you could recommand me, where good beginner friendly guides are available?
[01:19] <rbox> well it sounds like you said you arealdy found somethign... so...
[01:19] <rbox> that
[01:29] <Guest9> curl -fsSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/filebrowser/get/master/get.sh | bash
[01:29] <Guest9> filebrowser -r /path/to/your/files -fsSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/filebrowser/get/master/get.sh | bash
[01:29] <Guest9> filebrowser -r /path/to/your/files
[01:29] <Guest9> I should install it with this, but what do i have to use for the psth to your files psth?
[01:30] <Guest9> Now i got to this:
[01:30] <Guest9> https://filebrowser.org/installation
[01:30] <Guest9> curl -fsSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/filebrowser/get/master/get.sh | bash
[01:30] <Guest9> filebrowser -r /path/to/your/files -fsSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/filebrowser/get/master/get.sh | bash
[01:30] <Guest9> filebrowser -r /path/to/your/files i got to this:
[01:30] <Guest9> https://filebrowser.org/installation
[01:35] <ladymorgana> sarnold, with the new 16G more swap, chrome slowed and died. (This behavior is better than 20.04 in which nothing died just slowed towards indistinguishable from frozen.. almost.
[01:35] <ladymorgana> I had under 50 tabs open, chrome.
[01:35] <ladymorgana> .afk to take a walk.
[02:16] <jhutchins> I know how to search alis and such, but I'm not sure of the terms.  Suggested channel for Mac WIFI questions?
[02:19] <tomreyn> !ot | jhutchins
[02:20] <jhutchins> tomreyn: No kiddint!!!  Apple is OT here?  Whoda thunk!!!
[02:38] <arraybolt3> jhutchins: I'd try ##apple.
[03:06] <toxic0> http://ix.io/4nO4
[05:35] <small> UGHHHH       are there any APT based distro's that DONT use over 1GB of memory?
[05:36] <arraybolt3> Lubuntu?
[05:36] <arraybolt3> Or if you don't care to stay in the Ubuntu ecosystem, Debian w/ IceWM, maybe.
[05:37] <arraybolt3> Keep in mind that with 1 GB of RAM, you'll have to make your app choices very carefully, no matter how light the distro is that you're using.
[05:43] <small> yea, im just sick of windows using 2GB of ram
[06:03] <arraybolt3> small: Ah, if you just want a small OS footprint to leave more room for your apps and work, then I'd try Lubuntu - it uses ~400-500 MB RAM for the base OS.
[06:03] <arraybolt3> *approximately 400-500 MB
[06:08] <small> alright
[06:19] <iKernel> Hi, how do I install a 32bit toolchain?
[06:24] <iKernel> installed crossbuild-essential-i386.
[06:58] <small> as i tried  vpup64   which is meant to be a puppy linux based off of ubuntu         but it does not contain the APT package manager, instead it uses vpm / XBPS
[07:05] <small__> at the moment im basing it off of LIVE USB first boot (as soon as xorg logs us in we open the system resource monitor (usually task manager or sysinfo or similar))
[07:11] <alkisg> small__: if you're planning the run a browser, the OS doesn't matter. The OS will take from 200 to 800 MB on boot, then the browser will need ANOTHER 2  GB.
[07:13] <alkisg> What makes a little difference is 32bit vs 64bit, but of course 32bit is deprecated in many distributions nowadays
[07:13] <small__> im planning on running IDE's + Java
[07:14] <small__> which are usually memory heavy
[07:14] <alkisg> IDEs is very general. E.g. vscode uses electron, i.e. a browser engine
[07:14] <alkisg> How much RAM do you have?
[07:15] <small__> eg, Intellij/Android Studio/VSCode (with Java extensions) usually take up 3+ GB
[07:15] <alkisg> Exactly, so spending a lot of time to save ~300MB from the OS isn't a big improvement
[07:15] <small__> i have 7.8GB usable and 3.9 GB used on Windows
[07:17] <small__> Microsoft Edge (114 MB), Antimalware Service Executable (148.5 MB), MprdVPN (158.3 MB), Discord (32 bit) (230 MB)
[07:17] <alkisg> Memory details are hard to get right; these apps use a lot of shared libs
[07:18] <small__> https://imgur.com/a/hWP83Oc
[07:19] <small__> plus FIrefox (612.7 MB)
[07:19] <small__> so 4.9 GB used out of 7,8 GB
[07:21] <small__> so i dont want to have the same issue on Ubuntu
[07:21] <small__> where its using half my RAM for seemingly no reason
[07:22] <alkisg> Why do you think there's no reason?
[07:22] <small__> well windows itself already uses over 2GB
[07:23] <alkisg> No, you're counting the RAM from the libraries that the other apps are using
[07:23] <alkisg> Anyway, similar things happen in ubuntu as well
[07:24] <alkisg> Ubuntu will use about 1 GB less RAM than Windows initially, then it will start loading libraries and end up using about the same amount of RAM
[07:24] <small__> aw
[07:28] <small__> is it safe to resize an NTFS partition in ubuntu/lubuntu
[07:28] <benl90> hello, I have silly question, https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/en/man8/tunctl.8.html I use tunctl to create tun/tap interface, but after reboot, all tap interface is gone. Is there anyway to make persistant? Thank you
[07:29] <alkisg> small__: moving the right side of an ntfs partition is usually safe. Moving the left side, not so much
[07:30] <benl90> small__, yes and not for it. better not. https://linux.die.net/man/8/ntfsresize
[07:31] <small__> can ntfsresize work on NTFS created by windows 10 and 11
[07:31] <nb-ben> small__: unless all you're doing is extending a partition like alkisg said, assume you could lose all of your data and back everything up
[07:31] <nb-ben> small__: regardless of what's doing it and how blessed the implementation is
[07:32] <benl90> small__, it can, just always backup your data...
[07:32] <small__> at the moment i dont really care if i loose any data on windows
[07:32] <small__> but i would like to avoid reinstalling it since doing so removed GRUB
[07:32] <small__> removes*
[07:33] <small__> eg if the NFTS partition becomes corrupted due to resizing it and needs to be reformatted via windows install
[07:33] <alkisg> If you're using UEFI, grub isn't removed; you can select your OS with the BIOS F12 "boot menu" key
[07:33] <alkisg> Then once you boot into ubuntu that way, it's easy to re-create the boot entry for it
[07:34] <small__> or rather, windows sets its boot manager as the main boot manager
[07:34] <alkisg> Yeah, that part is very easily amended under UEFI, no need for a live USB stick or anything
[07:34] <small__> ok
[07:36] <benl90> anyway regarding my question is anyone here have any idea?
[07:39] <kien> hi
[08:08] <benl90> hi?
[08:15] <lotuspsychj3> benl90: can we help you with something?
[08:19] <benl90> hello, I have silly question, https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/en/man8/tunctl.8.html I use tunctl to create tun/tap interface, but after reboot, all tap interface is gone. Is there anyway to make persistant? Thank you
[08:19] <benl90> I ask about it before
[08:22] <lotuspsychj3> benl90: maybe this can help; https://superuser.com/questions/854401/how-to-make-tap-interfaces-persistent-after-reboot
[08:24] <benl90> Uhm, I already use that, but no avail, ubuntu already use netplan right, it ditch the interfaces
[08:26] <small__> hmm Slax seems to be useful i think, https://www.slax.org/
[08:27] <small__> the iso is only 278 MB
[08:28] <small__> "Slax provides FluxBox window manager already preconfigured for the most common tasks. Included is a Terminal emulator xterm, simple text editor scite and calculator galculator, as well as connection manager connman"
[08:28] <small__> "128 MB of RAM for desktop"
[08:29] <small__> and "Built on either Slackware or Debian, Slax allows you to take advantage of the vast ecosystem of each platform. With tens of thousands of prebuilt packages and applications readily available through the slackpkg (for Slackware) or apt (for Debian) command"
[08:29] <small__> sounds just what im looking for :D
[08:33] <small__> its a miracle slax exists considering Ubuntu and Debian's average size and memory usage o.o
[08:33]  * small__ parties
[08:34] <lotuspsychj3> not a discussion for here small__
[08:34] <small__> oki :)
[08:55] <KalleAnka> join #networking
[09:19] <benl90> KalleAnka is it for me?
[10:05] <Guest72> does anybody have any idea for a faster alternative to oh-my-zsh realtime history and command helper
[10:05] <Guest72> for shell
[10:06] <lotuspsychj3> !discuss | Guest72
[10:46] <gebbione> if anyone has any clue please let me know how to fix it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-510/+bug/1963805/comments/10
[10:46] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1963805 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-510 (Ubuntu) "[nvidia] Failed to grab modeset ownership" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[12:01] <DoRoad> What nftables rules do you recommend on a VPS?
[12:02] <gebbione> DoRoad, #networking might be better suited for an answer
[12:17] <gebbione> is anyone online who knows how to troubleshoot nvidia cards troubles on ubuntu?
[12:28] <WaV> gebbione: Users are generally encouraged to ask their question, and if someone knows a response they will answer.
[12:30] <gebbione> the question was in a previous msg: gebbione> if anyone has any clue please let me know how to fix it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-510/+bug/1963805/comments/10  . As many come and go online it is worth repeating or ask again after a while. Do you have any suggestions?
[12:30] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1963805 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-510 (Ubuntu) "[nvidia] Failed to grab modeset ownership" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[12:33] <WaV> I do not have any idea, no. I didn't scroll up to see that you had already asked. Apologies. FWIW it was at 5:45a in my timezone. Maybe a similar situation for many other people in here at this time. If no response, try again later in the day.
[12:34] <gebbione> yep indeed :) thank you anyway. Last time i had a very similar problem a guy from this channel helped but i didn't save his suggestions. I should. Every time i update the kernel or the drivers is a big gamble
[13:00] <moha> To use `set-name` in netplan config file, is it required to have set macaddress there too?
[13:11] <RaimondRaj> in ubuntu i did a znc
[13:11] <RaimondRaj> but the login in winscp i cant see
[13:12] <RaimondRaj> but the znc exist in ubuntu
[13:17] <Guest6615> aanyone here using custom kernal
[13:21] <x7upLime> Is it a bad idea to upgrade packages to lunar.. while on kinetic?
[13:23] <x7upLime> Because I did it.. now.. apt upgrade -y, forgetting I added the lunar universe repo for nasm 2.16
[13:23] <tomreyn> x7upLime: yes, bad idea
[13:23] <tomreyn> you can use backports or PPAs but don't mix repos from different releases
[13:24] <tomreyn> RaimondRaj: if you read what you wrote, you will notice this is just not enough info to help :-/
[13:37] <x7upLime> the upgrade ended while I was writing that last message.. I can see that there is no easy way to undo that, right?
[13:38] <x7upLime> I've got the list of what was installed upgraded in history.log.. Is there a reference on "what was installed before"?
[13:38] <tomreyn> x7upLime: /var/log/apt/ contains logs which list the last installed updates
[13:39] <tomreyn> you can remove the wrong apt repository, run    sudo apt update    and then   sudo apt install <package=version>    for every package you had upgraded
[13:40] <tomreyn> "version" need to be the version your current ubuntu release provides
[13:40] <tomreyn> the apt log or   apt policy <package>    will list that version
[13:41] <x7upLime> would something like "latest" work? or should I gather a list of versions
[13:41] <x7upLime> ..ok, so I'm looking for a way to list all currently supported versions of the packages that have been modified
[13:41] <tomreyn> i don't think "latest" would work
[13:42] <x7upLime> got it..
[13:43] <tomreyn> some of these downgrades will result in apt stating that this package has been changed to be "manually installed". for the packages where this happens, you should also run    sudo apt-mark auto <package>
[14:07] <sem> what is in /run and if I am backing up my system can I safely exclude it?
[14:08] <EriC^^> sem: typically yeah, there's a very small chance depending on what you have that it'll mess something up (if you exclude it or not) which is why its better to back up a system from a live usb when its not running
[14:09] <sem> Ok, I can abide by that
[14:10] <sem> if I am restoring a system from backup, will it matter if that backup did not include /run
[14:10] <EriC^^> no
[14:10] <sem> thanks!
[14:10] <EriC^^> no problem
[14:11] <sem> i am also planning on excluding /home/user/snap since those files were changing while backing up
[14:12] <sem> but if I am on a live cd, they should not change
[14:12] <sem> and there might be user settings in there so I should back it up
[14:20] <EriC^^> yeah
[14:26] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:33] <Lantizia> how do you add knowledge of monitors?
[14:34] <Lantizia> i.e. if you boot a fresh install and get 'unknown monitor' and the max res it thinks that 'unknown monitor' is incorrect... and certainly not the native res.   I'm NOT asking how to change res or manually override it for one user account... but how (at a global system-wide level) would I teach it of that monitor, so it can automatically pick the right res?
[14:39] <x7upLime> It took a while.. But I ultimately got a long list of package=version 0x0.st/HrMa.sh
[14:39] <x7upLime> I downgraded one package by hand as a test.. and now apt tells me I have to autoremove stuff.. I'm afraid..
[14:39] <x7upLime> most of them seem like inoffensive stuff
[14:54] <x7upLime> tomreyn: I think I saved it, thank you :)
[15:26] <Alpie> hi I will use the external disk as samba windows smb share. it was formatted in NTFS format. But I can't use it, I can't mount this disk.
[15:26] <Alpie> I need your support.
[15:26] <Guest3289> slax (64 bits) uses only 309 MB of ram for its GUI desktop o.o
[15:27] <leftyfb> !ot | Guest3289
[15:27] <leftyfb> Alpie: you probably have to run chkdsk on it from Windows .... twice
[15:28] <Alpie> leftyfb: thanks for your answer. I cant see it under /dev/mnt when i use mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/
[15:30] <Guest3289> how do i list the installed packages with apt
[15:30] <leftyfb> Alpie: please run this and paste the resulting URL here:   ( cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a ; lsblk -o +type -e7 ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:31] <leftyfb> Guest3289: apt list --installed
[15:31] <leftyfb> Guest3289: https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man8/apt.8.html
[15:33] <latef02> hello anyone here use dwm i have a question please
[15:34] <FKAShinobi> I am migrating from an old hdd to a new sdd. My last step was moving the swap space. I created the new partition and updated fstab. After rebooting, Ubuntu sent some error reports, but shows active swap on the new ssd via /proc/swaps.
[15:34] <FKAShinobi> How do I know if there is a real problem?
[15:35] <Alpie> leftyfb: sure
[15:41] <FKAShinobi> will update-grub also scan for other OSes and add them? I have recently removed a few old OSes and want grub to rescan and refresh it's menu.
[15:41] <_8lurry> I just set-up an openvpn server following this: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/service-openvpn
[15:41] <_8lurry> everythig seems to work fine
[15:42] <_8lurry> except when I set "proto tcp" on the server config, the systemd process fails to restart
[15:43] <_8lurry> s/systemd/vpnserver process using systemctl
[15:43] <_8lurry> what should I do?
[15:44] <FKAShinobi> 8lurry: I don't think you want TCP. Run it as UDP.
[15:44] <FKAShinobi> Your TCP applications will run over UDP vpn
[15:45] <DynamiteDan> greetings. How do I build ubuntu packages from source? I know there is a sequence of commands that allow that but I don't seem to be able to find. Thanks in advance
[15:45] <latef02> hello iwant run programmes from dmenu in  dwm suckless but with root because lot of software need sudo to execute like gparted and timeshift any solution please
[15:46] <_8lurry> my client fails with TLS Error. I thought it could be a reason for the proto (my reasoning for this is that my client has a shared ip)
[15:46] <_8lurry> so I thought I better try with tcp
[15:47] <oerheks> latef02, basicly running programs as root is bad, gparted and timeshift are systemtools, so they should run as root.
[15:51] <oerheks> !crosspost | latef02
[15:57] <latef02> ubottu: soory itsmy first time in irc :( my bad
[15:58] <ioria> latef02, have you tried this ? https://www.reddit.com/r/dmenu/comments/1xxszr/run_programs_as_root_through_dmenu/
[16:02] <latef02> ioria, no i will try this solution thank you
[16:03] <ioria> ok
[16:24] <FKAShinobi> 8lurry: Sounds like a cert problem. Make sure the server has that client cert so that it's authorized.
[16:58] <giorgi> o
[16:59] <giorgi> help my
[16:59] <oerheks> hi giorgi
[16:59] <giorgi> are online peoples
[16:59] <oerheks> !ask
[16:59] <giorgi> hey
[16:59] <giorgi> how old are you
[16:59] <mrkubax10> just ask your question lol
[16:59] <giorgi> no
[17:00] <rbox> lol
[17:00] <mrkubax10> then why did you join this channel?
[17:00] <oerheks> This is not a social channel.
[17:00] <oerheks> see topic
[17:00] <giorgi> what is terminal this is cmd
[17:00] <giorgi> on windows
[17:00] <giorgi> way
[17:00] <giorgi> hay abrax
[17:01] <giorgi> way
[17:01] <oerheks> simply ask the question (all on ONE line !!! )
[17:02] <giorgi> way
[17:02] <giorgi> step brother
[17:02] <leftyfb> giorgi: please stop. This is a support channel. Feel free to /join #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat
[17:04] <giorgi> hey i love linux
[17:05] <giorgi> rpear this
[17:05] <giorgi> plese
[17:05] <leftyfb> giorgi: please /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:08] <gebbione> if anyone has any clue please let me know how to fix it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-510/+bug/1963805/comments/10  - Just to also give an update i removed two unsigned kernels most likely the ones giving me troubles but now i m trying to updateramfs but it does not work
[17:08] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1963805 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-510 (Ubuntu) "[nvidia] Failed to grab modeset ownership" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[17:09] <oerheks> on kernel 6.0.0-1011-oem ?
[17:09] <gebbione> well the kernels 6 were installed and indeed this was booting up
[17:09] <gebbione> i deleted kernels 6 but obviously incorrectly and now the system does not boot
[17:10] <oerheks> One should open a fresh bugreport, this one is from 21.10
[17:10] <gebbione> i am editing it from a USB installation, i am trying to fix https://askubuntu.com/a/48516 but it is giving me some errors
[17:10] <oerheks> and i see no hardware specs...
[17:11] <oerheks> if you have UEFI, disable secureboot?
[17:12] <leftyfb> gebbione: you should try to mount/bind mount your OS, chroot into it and --reinstall the linux-generic-hwe-22.04 kernel
[17:12] <gebbione> yes the next step i m trying
[17:13] <gebbione> it is already installed
[17:13] <gebbione> i m going to show you the output if i try to run the updateramfs step
[17:13] <alonso> .
[17:14] <leftyfb> gebbione: you should just proceed with what I told you
[17:15] <hermano> Using nouveau drivers with following combination of HW: Gigabyte B760 Gaming X AX DDR4 / ASUS GeForce RTX 3060 8GB DUAL OC
[17:16] <gebbione> so i shall reboot and check UEFI settings in the firmware?
[17:16] <hermano> Everytime I try the latest nvidia driver, after reboot the graphic resolution degradates and throws me back to use the motherboard build-in graphic.
[17:16] <gebbione> hermano, i think i tried them but was not great
[17:16] <leftyfb> hermano: don't try the latest nvidia driver. Try a different one
[17:16] <gebbione> i also experience a lot of problems with the nvidia drivers
[17:16] <hermano> leftyfb, like some previous in the list?
[17:17] <gebbione> i tried previous ones too
[17:17] <gebbione> but i guess my problem is the oem kernel
[17:17] <hermano> Ok, so is there a solution I can find some stability? I would be able also to activate nvidias fan control.
[17:19] <gebbione> leaftype, i am in the boot loader, under Boot -> I See security option and it says System. I can change it to Setup. Is this the option i should try?
[17:23] <gebbione> sorry leftyfb
[17:27] <eelstrebor> i was just reading about apt-key being deprecated - it sure is a lot of work to convert the .asc file to .pgp - what's the best way to fix this security issue for apt?
[17:29] <leftyfb> eelstrebor: https://opensource.com/article/22/9/deprecated-linux-apt-key#:~:text=Use%20of%20apt%2Dkey%20is,packaged%20in%20gnupg)%20is%20required.
[17:34] <eelstrebor> looking at it now.  there was a mention of a Deb822 file at one website
[17:35] <eelstrebor> still looks like a lot of work
[17:36] <backthen3> Hi, the 'star' option doesn't appear when I right click a file/folder. On U22.04.1
[17:40] <ViatonWidz[m]> eelstrebor: apt can use .asc keys just fine. Just drop them in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d or /usr/share/keyrings. If latter, you have to add a Signed-By stanza with path to .asc in source fragment.
[17:46] <Guest97> hello is it possible to downgrade from ubuntu 22.10 to lts version? my sounds broke again after upgrade and im just tired... every upgrade sounds break :s
[17:46] <ravage> Guest97: no
[17:46] <Guest97> f
[17:47] <Guest97> ubuntu and dell xps 17 9700 sounds not working after every upgrade :
[17:47] <Guest97> :'(
[17:47] <ravage> so stay on 22.04
[17:48] <Guest97> i will reinstall yes
[17:48] <ravage> or install 22.10 directly
[17:48] <ravage> or wait for 23.04 and try that
[17:48] <Guest97> i did do release upgrade from 22.04 to 22.10
[17:48] <Guest97> when is 23.04 coming
[17:48] <Guest97> april?
[17:48] <arraybolt3> Yes.
[17:48] <Guest97> its lts?
[17:48] <arraybolt3> The version numbers are date-based.
[17:48] <arraybolt3> LTS releases are every two years, so no.
[17:49] <arraybolt3> 24.04 will be the next LTS.
[17:49] <leftyfb> !mm.yy | Guest97
[17:49] <leftyfb> !yy.mm | Guest97
[17:49] <Guest97> oh ok
[18:30] <gebbione> leftyfb, i have reinstalled the inux-generic-hwe-22.04 kernel. should i try to updateramfs ?
[18:31] <arraybolt3> gebbione: I think if you install a new kernel, it will update the initramfs'es for you, but there's likely no harm in doing it manually to be sure.
[18:38] <gebbione> is the 5.15.0-60-generic the argument i need to pass to updateramfs ?
[18:38] <gebbione> its name is not the same as the package linux-generic-hwe-22.04
[18:39] <leftyfb> gebbione: did you install/reinstall the hwe kernel?
[18:40] <gebbione> leftyfb, "reinstall"
[18:40] <leftyfb> gebbione: then why are you running updateramfs?
[18:41] <gebbione> because i don't know if it was needed and indeed i was following https://askubuntu.com/a/48516 ...
[18:41] <gebbione> should i try to reboot now?
[18:41] <leftyfb> it's not
[18:41] <leftyfb> yes
[18:41] <gebbione> i mean i still might have driver problems
[18:41] <gebbione> i ll try to run nvidia-smi
[18:41] <leftyfb> gebbione: install/updating kernels will run updateramfs as needed. You never need to run it manually
[18:41] <leftyfb> no
[18:42] <leftyfb> gebbione: fix 1 problem at a time
[18:42] <gebbione> thank you for confirming...
[18:42] <gebbione> i ll reboot
[18:44] <gebbione> still booting to the same error
[18:44] <leftyfb> gebbione: pastebin or screenshot the error
[18:44] <gebbione> VFS: unable to mount root fs
[18:45] <arraybolt3> gebbione: That sounds like a ramdisk problem.
[18:45] <arraybolt3> One moment...
[18:46] <leftyfb> no, it sounds like something is seriously wrong with kernel installation/files missing
[18:46] <leftyfb> arraybolt3: that error is VERY common when you have a broken grub/kernel
[18:47] <leftyfb> and has absolutely nothing to do with a ramdisk issue. That's a symptom, not the problem
[18:47] <leftyfb> gebbione: if it were me, the choices would be to --reinstall every kernel you have files for. If that doesn't work, then reinstall the OS and restore from backup
[18:49] <gebbione> do you need an exact screenshot? the error is the one on the title here https://askubuntu.com/questions/41930/kernel-panic-not-syncing-vfs-unable-to-mount-root-fs-on-unknown-block0-0
[18:49] <gebbione> i m typing from one system whilst the other is stuck
[18:49] <leftyfb> it's a generic error message
[18:50] <arraybolt3> leftyfb: True, but it's because the kernel can't find the ramdisk, for instance if GRUB is broken, yes, or if you're hitting an out-of-memory error in GRUB, or if you have weird settings that borked your ramdisk. That's why I said it sounds like a ramdisk problem, because that's what the kernel can't find. I guess the problem is probably elsewhere though.
[18:50] <arraybolt3> We're on the same track, we just used different terminology and my terminology wasn't quite accurate :P
[18:50] <leftyfb> it is
[18:51] <gebbione> i removed the nomodeset instruction from grub
[18:51] <gebbione> would that cause this?
[18:51] <gebbione> i guess not but just trying
[18:51] <arraybolt3> gebbione: Easily, if you accidentally changed something else in the /etc/default.grub file.
[18:51] <leftyfb> gebbione: you have a broken kernel/package somewhere. Start with my suggestion above
[18:51] <arraybolt3> */etc/default/grub I mean
[18:52] <arraybolt3> But yeah, I'd start with leftyfb's suggestion of reinstalling kernel packages.
[18:55] <gebbione> here is the screenshot https://pasteboard.co/qW9y9FGbMrjc.jpg
[18:55] <gebbione> i see it is still looking for 6.0.0
[18:55] <gebbione> but i removed that
[18:55] <gebbione> and don't want to use it
[18:56] <leftyfb> reinstall it
[18:56] <gebbione> i think it is causing problems with the nvidia driver
[18:56] <leftyfb> do you want to "fix" your nvidia driver or do you want your system to boot?
[18:57] <gebbione> well ... i have to do both eventually... once it boots what do i do to revert to an older kernel? can't i do it now?
[18:57] <leftyfb> a properly installed nvidia driver does you no good if you can't boot. You need to focus on the task at hand which is fixing the kernel issue and booting your OS
[18:57] <leftyfb> 1 problem at a time
[18:57] <leftyfb> not 2
[19:00] <jhutchins> Unlike windows, a linux system can run without the GUI.  The GUI is essentially just an application running on top of the OS.
[19:02] <ravage> windows can run without a GUI. but OT..
[19:09] <arraybolt3> OK, this may be a silly question, but why does it seem like some setups can do apt upgrades faster than others? On my main system, the unpacking and setup of the various packages takes a tiny bit per package. VMs are the same. schroot containers, on the other hand, are lightning-fast, way faster than my physical system (yet on the same hardware!), and updates with KDE neon are slllllooooooowww.
[19:09] <arraybolt3> loowowwowllsslow.
[19:09] <arraybolt3> What about the various different setups may cause speed differences like this?
[19:09] <arraybolt3> (I know KDE neon isn't supported here, it's just an example of the speed discrepency I've been noticing.)
[19:10] <leftyfb> CPU, memory, cache, SSD vs HD, disk speed, network speed ...
[19:10] <arraybolt3> I know that, but these are updates on the exact same physical hardware, after the download has already occurred.
[19:11] <arraybolt3> The OS (Ubuntu Unity) on my laptop upgrades medium-fast, schroots upgrade lightning-fast, LXD containers, I believe, upgrade fast, VMs medium-fast, certain VMs slow. As if apt is somehow using different amounts of CPU power for each usecase for some reason
[19:11] <arraybolt3> All of this on the same laptop.
[19:12] <oerheks> updates are different, so i wonder what you need to know?
[19:12] <leftyfb> number of packages/repos/files on your OS maybe
[19:12] <arraybolt3> Anyway, this is more out of curiosity, maybe #ubuntu-discuss would have been a better place for this.
[19:12] <leftyfb> was this (slow) OS upgraded from a previous release?
[19:13] <arraybolt3> oerheks: It's the time it takes to unpack each package. Obviously a system with more packages on it will take longer to upgrade than one with less, but the individual packages seem to take longer to unpack (or shorter).
[19:13] <arraybolt3> leftyfb: Nope, all clean installs.
[19:13] <gebbione> should i install linux-headers-oem-22.04b ?
[19:15] <leftyfb> gebbione: you should do only what was suggested. reinstall the kernel packages you have installed or partially installed (file still around). Do not go installing anything else. I would suggest on the next boot after doing all this, boot to the HWE kernel
[19:15] <oerheks> +1 HWE
[19:16] <oerheks> oem works for non-lts, AFAIK
[19:17] <leftyfb> I would not suggest booting the oem kernel. I can almost guarantee the HWE kernel will boot if there's not something else broken
[19:18] <gebbione> leftyfb, i am running the system off a usb pen, a live cd and chroming ... not sure what to reinstall other than the kernel that is erroring in that boot sequence in the screenshot
[19:19] <gebbione> so i assume the error "not tainted" above here ... https://pasteboard.co/qW9y9FGbMrjc.jpg is because the kernel war removed
[19:19] <leftyfb> gebbione: at this point, I think your quickest, easiest and cleanest option is to reinstall your OS and restore your files from backup
[19:21] <oerheks> gebbione, you seem to have an old bios version F14
[19:21] <oerheks> install F15 from 2023-1-12
[19:21] <oerheks> but i guess this has been asked before..
[19:22] <oerheks> without the proper bios, no way telling what goes wrong.
[19:23] <leftyfb> oerheks: it was working before. While that might be an ation to perform later to maybe improve some things, I can almost guarantee it's not going to solve the current problem
[19:24] <gebbione> but also re-installing is quite drastic
[19:25] <leftyfb> it's being realistic on the times it's going to take to troubleshoot this
[19:25] <leftyfb> s/times/time
[19:25] <oerheks> it was working before? i read him the 3rd day now ...
[19:26] <gebbione> i have just reinstalled that kernel -> linux-headers-oem-22.04b (<IP_ADDRESS>1.11) - isn't this what it is referring to about the not tainted  line doing my boot sequence/error ?
[19:26] <leftyfb> gebbione: you've been at this for 3 days. A reinstall will take under and hour
[19:27] <gebbione> no, i have just removed the kernels a few hours ago
[19:27] <gebbione> yesterday i could not use my second screen most likely because of the kernel vs driver conflict
[19:28] <gebbione> re-installing will not fix the screen problem if it goes back to using this kernel and the latest nvidia driver
[19:28] <gebbione> but obviously i don't know how to just revert to an older kernel
[19:28] <leftyfb> gebbione: step #1 is getting your machine to boot, not fixing nvidia/screen drivers
[19:28] <gebbione> and so broke the boot
[19:35] <Jeremy31> What gcc is that oem kernel compiled with?
[19:40] <terran_> every program that I compile, first line of output when I run it is "segmentation fault" on both GCC and Clang
[19:41] <arraybolt3> Are these programs you wrote yourself?
[19:41] <arraybolt3> terran_: ^
[19:41] <terran_> any program all are "segmentation fault" i looked up in GDB and it says something about cannot find the libraries
[19:42] <terran_> I re-installed OS, same output
[19:42] <arraybolt3> Yes, I know, but I don't know if these "any programs" are all your own creations, or source code you downloaded from the Internet.
[19:42] <leftyfb> terran_: so if you run "ls" or "nano" you get a segfault?
[19:42] <terran_> they are my own
[19:42] <arraybolt3> Then you're probably making coding errors.
[19:42] <arraybolt3> Those are off-topic here, but if you care to share code I might be able to spot what's happening.
[19:42] <terran_> there are no coding errors! like I said, any program all programs
[19:42] <leftyfb> terran_: sorry, but we cannot support 3rd party applications here
[19:43] <leftyfb> terran_: so if you run "ls" or "nano" you get a segfault?
[19:43] <terran_> I don't know what ls or nano is
[19:43] <arraybolt3> Those are both terminal commands.
[19:43] <arraybolt3> nano is a terminal text editor, ls shows the contents of a directory.
[19:43] <leftyfb> terran_: you can write and compile your own applications and don't know what ls or nano are?
[19:44] <FKAShinobi> I'm using monit to monitor services. Is there a way to suppress alerts for services not being active during a reboot / shutdown / startup? While monit does have an option to suppress the "instance changed" alert, I get alerts for all the services it monitors.
[19:44] <arraybolt3> leftyfb: Hey, I was there once, coming from Windows.
[19:44] <leftyfb> terran_: what release of ubuntu is this?
[19:44] <terran_> ohh what you are asking: I wrote these programs, they are just hello, world though
[19:44] <terran_> 22.10 mate
[19:44] <leftyfb> terran_: can you open a terminal?
[19:44] <terran_> only the programs I wrote seg fault. Not other programs
[19:44] <arraybolt3> terran_: Ah. Sadly, programs written by a third party (in this instance you) are n't supported here. However, I'd be willing to help in a different channel (or in DMs).
[19:45] <arraybolt3> "Segmentation fault" means you tried to write to memory that you didn't allocate yet.
[19:45] <leftyfb> terran_: I would suggest seeking support in a channel dedicated to the language you are writing your applications in
[19:45] <arraybolt3> So you might have missed a "malloc()" somewhere, or perhaps miscalculated how much memory you needed to allocate.
[19:45] <morgan-u2> oh thanks for that arraybolt3
[19:46] <tomreyn> FKAShinobi: i know next to nothing about monit, but generally, when you planfully put a service out of operation during a maintenance (which can include a reboot), you'd file a maintenance period, disabling alerting during this period. maybe monit has a similar concept?
[19:56] <FKAShinobi> tomreyn: Is there a way to have monitd stopped first in the shutdown process? I've added a delay to the monitoring at startup so that should solve the other half.
[20:00] <gebbione> leftyfb, it is not booting but reinstalling is a massive pain. I guess i will leave it broken for now until i can find a solution
[20:00] <tomreyn> FKAShinobi: i don't really know. chances are you could update its service dependencies so that it is stopped earlier than other services. but i'm just speculating. have you checked their documentation to see whether they suggest how to handle this situation? after all, this is likely a more common scenario.
[20:01] <FKAShinobi> tomreyn: I'm looking through it now, and surprisingly I don't see anything listed for this scenario.
[20:01] <FKAShinobi> In my mind, this would be default behavior
[20:03] <tomreyn> FKAShinobi: looks like you could issue "unmonitor all" just before shutting down and then "monitor all" upon reboot.
[20:04] <FKAShinobi> tomreyn: Yes, I'm looking how to inject these scripts into the startup / shutdown process now.
[20:05] <FKAShinobi> Or maybe add the services it monitors to the monitd dependencies? But then if a services fails to start, I also have no monitoring... It's a good problem to learn more about systemd :)
[20:06] <tomreyn> you might actually end up replacing it by systemd
[20:20] <morgan-u2> Question: I want to run windows in a VM and can I use Win11 or win10?)
[20:21] <morgan-u2> I am a VM beginner and the itsfoss page says that it depends on which exact version of win10 - and that is "too much"
[20:21] <morgan-u2> for me
[20:25] <oerheks> morgan-u2, maybe. it all depends on your HW specs and how much o f them are reserved.
[20:27] <tomreyn> morgan-u2: qemu-kvm generally provides all that is needed to run either.
[20:28] <arraybolt3> Windows 11 can present some challenges becaues of its requirements of UEFI Secure Boot and a TPM, but those can be worked around or you can just provide them in the VM. But Windows 10 is probably going to be easier.
[20:58] <GayAssLiker> Hey guyz
[20:58] <GayAssLiker> I ubuntu inyourasses
[20:59] <leftyfb> !op | GayAssLiker
[20:59] <GayAssLiker> Noobs
[20:59] <GayAssLiker> ubottu your mom is retard
[21:10] <torbjorn_> can I configure a static route on my local network without linking it to a specific interface? I
[21:10] <torbjorn_> 'd like to hvae that route even if I unplug my ethernet and use wifi
[21:10] <leftyfb> torbjorn_: add the route to the config of each interface
[21:11] <torbjorn_> gah ok
[21:16] <torbjorn_> can I use netplan yaml files to add the static route to an interface, but otherwise not change its defaults?
[21:16] <leftyfb> torbjorn_: define defaults. Where are these "defaults" configured if not in netplan?
[21:18] <torbjorn_> I dont know, but I think in NetworkManager. The only netplan yaml file till now that I think I have (looking in {lib,etc and run}/netplan) only says in a comment to let NetworkManager all devices on this system
[21:19] <torbjorn_> and lists NetworkManager as a renderer in a minimal config that otherwise says nothing
[21:19] <torbjorn_> (except version)
[21:20] <leftyfb> torbjorn_: you use NM or netplan, not both. It sounds like you should just set your static routes in Network Manager
[21:20] <torbjorn_> leftyfb: I tried that, using nmcli, but its not persistent after reboot
[21:20] <torbjorn_> I thought I
[21:20] <leftyfb> don't use nmcli
[21:20] <leftyfb> use the GUI
[21:20] <torbjorn_> i feel 20 years too old
[21:22] <torbjorn_> surely network managment cant have evolved into this mess on purpose
[21:22] <leftyfb> what mess?
[21:22] <leftyfb> just use the GUI and add your routes
[21:23] <torbjorn_> well im not in front of the machine just now, but id like to fix it just now
[21:23] <leftyfb> torbjorn_: run nm-connection-editor over ssh -X
[21:24] <torbjorn_> mess = netplan seems to be the new hot thing to (yet again) solve it all wrt network managment. yet i should go back to networkmanager even if countless examples on line showcases how netplan can configure network using networkmanager as a renderer
[21:24] <torbjorn_> I dont have X on this chromebook
[21:24] <leftyfb> then why are you using network manager?
[21:24] <torbjorn_> oh wait I do
[21:25] <torbjorn_> leftyfb: I dont know what Im using, said so in the start of this conversation. I configured the system during intsall, using inputs from the installer gui, and now I
[21:25] <arraybolt3> AFAIK Netplan is for servers and is really complex, NetworkManager is for devices you use directly and is simpler and easier.
[21:25] <torbjorn_> m at his junction
[21:26] <leftyfb> I wouldn't say netplan is "Really complex"  but if you have a desktop GUI, you should be using NM or whatever network manager it has
[21:26] <torbjorn_> arraybolt3: I have netplan yaml files after a fairly standard desktop install
[21:26] <torbjorn_> leftyfb: cant i reach that config via the commandline somehow?
[21:26] <leftyfb> torbjorn_: use the GUI
[21:26] <leftyfb> torbjorn_: run nm-connection-editor over ssh -X
[21:27] <torbjorn_> i just really really want to configure it without a gui
[21:27] <leftyfb> torbjorn_: then why bother having a GUI desktop?
[21:27] <torbjorn_> it has its uses
[21:27] <leftyfb> torbjorn_: this is a 10 second change. Just ssh -X and run nm-connection-editor
[21:28] <oerheks> learn how to us nm-connection-editor
[21:28] <torbjorn_> it is now, but through time there has been countless times where i have had to configure things wo acces to a gui, id really like to know
[21:28] <leftyfb> torbjorn_: in this case, you're asking how to configure something that is managed by a GUI application
[21:28] <torbjorn_> well it has to live in files somewhere
[21:29] <arraybolt3> leftyfb: Not to be annoying, but surely there has to be *some* way to configure this over a TUI, right? I mean NetworkManager can be used without a GUI.
[21:29] <arraybolt3> The GUI may be easier here, but I can understand wanting to avoid the GUI for learning purposes.
[21:29] <leftyfb> torbjorn_: feel free to edit the files in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/
[21:29] <leftyfb> good luck
[21:29] <leftyfb> they're not meant to be edited directly
[21:29] <arraybolt3> I wonder if nmtui could do this.
[21:29] <leftyfb> it's quicker and easier to just use the GUI that you instaled
[21:30] <arraybolt3> torbjorn_: Try nmtui, it lets you edit things in a GUI-like interface without having a GUI.
[21:30] <torbjorn_> thanks, those are perfect, no luck necessary
[21:30] <arraybolt3> It has routing options in it over here.
[21:30] <torbjorn_> arraybolt3: thanks, that is a solution too
[21:31] <oerheks> lucas says yes https://lukas.zapletalovi.com/posts/2019/set-the-default-route-via-nmcli/
[21:34] <torbjorn_> oerheks: I did that but the change was not persistent over reboots. It may have been because I modified the interface and not the connection, trying that now
[21:36] <oerheks> ' without linking it to a specific interface' is of no use
[21:37] <torbjorn_> it already is linked to an interface, as would be the normal behavriour I imagine for any fairly straightforward ubuntu install
[21:37] <torbjorn_> (I have a normal functioning network setup, just want to modify it with a static route in addition)
[21:46] <fcon> hi
[21:46] <arraybolt3> fcon: o/
[21:53] <Progamers> Hey bros need help
[21:53] <Progamers> Please
[21:55] <oerheks> hi Progamers
[21:55] <oerheks> ask, wait and see
[21:56] <oerheks> oh, you are trolling #linux
[21:56]  * oerheks walks away
[21:57] <leftyfb> tomreyn: you around?
[21:58] <leftyfb> nevermnd
[22:00] <torbjorn_> for the record, 1) nmcli con modify <tabcomplete-connection-name> +ipv4.routes "dest/mask via.ip" # works, it even tab complets the term '+ipv4.routes' , 2) adding: route1=dest/nm,via.ip # to the config in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections doesnt feel that scary, and 3) nmtui would have worked also
[22:00] <torbjorn_> thanks for help and pointers in the right direction
[22:36] <Alexion> Hello! I am using Lubuntu 22.04.1 LTS. I was writing a bootable live USB flash drive using MultiWriter and I got an error during the process. After that, the USB flash drive is not shown as a block device anymore and also fdisk doesn't show the device as /dev/sdb/. I'm not able to mount the device either. What can I do so I can use my USB flash drive again?
[22:36] <rbox> unplug adn replug it
[22:37] <ravage> it is also possible that it is just broken
[22:37] <Alexion> already tried it
[22:37] <rbox> what errors are in dmesg when you plug it in
[22:46] <Alexion> rbox:when I run dmesg, I get a very long output. How can I grep so I can find what am I looking for?
[22:47] <rbox> theres nothing to grep
[22:47] <rbox> and i said when you plug it in
[22:47] <rbox> look at dmesg before you plug it in
[22:47] <rbox> look at it after
[22:47] <rbox> there will only be a handful of lines
[22:52] <EriC^^> Alexion: you could try 'sudo dmesg -w' and plug it in and see
[22:52] <EriC^^> also 'sudo udevadm monitor' might help
[22:52] <Jeremy31> Alexion: run this in terminal before plugging it in> sudo dmesg -w
[22:52] <EriC^^> Alexion: also try a different usb port
[22:52] <Jeremy31> That will show what is happening/not happening
[22:53] <Fondor1> Hi all, trying to get Gkeys working on a Logitech G15 keyboard in Ubuntu 22.04 LTS. Using `xev`, been trying to track down keycodes, but it looks like something in the UI intercepts a few of them befpre `xev` even sees it. Specifically, my G5 key, when pressed, launches system settings. There is no shortcut set to launch that in the settings). Any
[22:53] <Fondor1> suggestions as to why the UI is intercepting some of these, and how I can modify them?
[22:53] <Alexion> EriC^^:already tried
[22:54] <Alexion> rbox:useless because it's too much output, I can't tell the difference just by looking
[22:54] <arraybolt3> Fondor1: Does it use a Logitech Unifying receiver?
[22:54] <arraybolt3> Alexion: Try this. Remove the drive, then "sudo dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999" and share the link. Then insert the drive, and run the same command again and share that link.
[22:54] <Fondor1> arraybolt3: Nope, it's an old fashioned USB.
[22:55] <arraybolt3> (The command spits out a link.)
[22:55] <EriC^^> Alexion: dmesg -w will let you watch in realtime
[22:55] <arraybolt3> Alexion: That will let us look at it, we might be able to see what's going on.
[22:56] <arraybolt3> Fondor1: Hmm. Crud, I don't know what do to there then :P Unifying receivers can be fiddled with via Solaar and you can do various tricks with the keyboard there, but an old-fashioned receiver, not sure.
[22:56] <Alexion> Jeremy31 , EriC^^ : I ran sudo dmesg -w , and again I get lots of output to scroll up, and I have to hit Ctrl+C to exit the command
[22:57] <arraybolt3> Alexion: The output that it shows when you first run the command doesn't matter. What matters is the output you get immediately after inserting the drive.
[22:57] <EriC^^> Alexion: after you run dmesg -w, then insert the usb, the new msg if any will pop up at the bottom
[22:57] <arraybolt3> You don't have to scroll up at all. Ignore everything that prints when you first run the command, only pay attention to what appears afteri nserting the USB.
[22:57] <arraybolt3> *after inserting
[22:57] <Fondor1> arraybolt3: to be clear, this is a wired USB keyboard, there is no receiver at all.
[22:58] <arraybolt3> Oh. lol, I may be a bit used to modern technology :P
[22:58] <EriC^^> Fondor1: maybe it shows up in 'xinput' ?
[22:58] <arraybolt3> (Not that wired isn't modern, just I sorta assumed Logitech keyboard = wireless...)
[22:59] <Alexion> [ 7197.476912] usb 2-1: new high-speed USB device number 8 using ehci-pci
[22:59] <Alexion> [ 7197.635452] usb 2-1: New USB device found, idVendor=1f75, idProduct=0918, bcdDevice= 2.00
[22:59] <Alexion> [ 7197.635466] usb 2-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=1, SerialNumber=0
[22:59] <Alexion> [ 7197.635472] usb 2-1: Product: STORAGE DEVICE
[22:59] <EriC^^> !paste | Alexion
[23:00] <EriC^^> for the future
[23:01] <Alexion> https://dpaste.com/3RELW8RPC
[23:02] <Alexion> EriC^^: I did how you suggested, and now I just pasted what the output was after connecting the drive
[23:02] <Fondor1> EriC^^: The keyboard itself shows up in xinput, yes. It also works for most things using a standard US keyboard layout. It's only the extra G keys that are a challenge, hence the question
[23:03] <EriC^^> Fondor1: yeah, thought they might be separate there and worth investigating
[23:03] <saman> hi
[23:03] <EriC^^> hello saman
[23:03] <saman> can you help me
[23:03] <EriC^^> !ask | saman
[23:05] <Alexion> EriC^^: any idea why does it output this without me removing the drive from USB?
[23:05] <Alexion> [ 7198.647664] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Media removed, stopped polling
[23:08] <EriC^^> Alexion: did you try restarting and see if it works?
[23:12] <Alexion> EriC^^: yes, I did restart, but useless
[23:13] <EriC^^> Alexion: try reinserting again and then if it's also /dev/sdb run 'sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=4M status=progress' to zero it out, incase that helps, but it might be that the usb is just shot at this point
[23:15] <Fondor1> Curious, so I get a warning when running `xinput` that it's running in Xwayland. Read up on the man page for xinput which tells me I should be using the Xwayland default device configuration tool (not familiar with what that would be). That made me think however that this might be something to do with Xwayland being a middleman here and not passing
[23:15] <Fondor1> some things onto xev for capture. Is there an equivalent command for native Wayland?
[23:15] <Alexion> EriC^^: I reinserted the drive, ran again fdisk -l , but the drive is not shown
[23:15] <EriC^^> Alexion: what does 'sudo blkid /dev/sdb' give?
[23:16] <EriC^^> or anything in "lsblk"?
[23:16] <Alexion> sudo blkid /dev/sdb   - doesn't output anything
[23:17] <Alexion> lsblk shows the sdb disk with 0 Bytes
[23:17] <EriC^^> if you're sure sdb is the usb then try to zero it out
[23:18] <Alexion> yes I am sure
[23:18] <EriC^^> ok run "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=4M status=progress && sync"
[23:19] <Alexion> dd: failed to open '/dev/sdb': No medium found
[23:19] <Alexion> this is what I get
[23:19] <EriC^^> it might be toast
[23:19] <Alexion> :-(
[23:20] <EriC^^> at least no data loss
[23:21] <Alexion> EriC^^: no data lost, I backed up the important data on the computer, before trying to write the live Linux USB
[23:22] <Alexion> is it of any use trying the drive on a different computer? with Windows maybe?
[23:22] <EriC^^> Alexion: what do you need the live usb for? if you dont have another usb you could possibly boot the iso from grub to do what you need
[23:22] <EriC^^> Alexion: yeah why not
[23:23] <Alexion> EriC^^: I wanted to try Tiny Core Linux and decide if I want to install it on the computer
[23:23] <Alexion> I read that it can be ran from USB drive
[23:26] <EriC^^> i see
[23:28] <EriC^^> Alexion: try it in a vm maybe?
[23:29] <Alexion> this is an old machine, I don't have enough resources for VM
[23:30] <Alexion> that's why I installed Lubuntu in the first place, and looking to install Tiny Core Linux, the reason I was writing it on the USB flash drive
[23:30] <Alexion> the drive isn't shown in KDE Partition Manager either
[23:31] <Alexion> but the HDD is shown
[23:31] <EriC^^> i see
[23:32] <Fondor1> Well, still not sure what my issue is with the keypresses but I'm going to reboot into a live session and see if I can't make some headway there. There is technically an equivalent Wayland keypress capture called `wev`, but it's apparently not compatible with whatever is installed by default in Ubuntu. Thanks for the help EriC^^ and arraybolt3
[23:36] <EriC^^> Fondor1: interesting, no problem
[23:38] <EriC^^> Alexion: do you have any unallocated space by any chance in the hdd?
[23:39] <Alexion> EriC^^: I don't think so
[23:39] <Alexion> why?
[23:49] <EriC^^> Alexion: if you want to just try it out abit maybe you could use grub to boot the iso https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot#Menuentry_Example
[23:50] <EriC^^> i was trying it on my machine right now but it stopped cause the kernel only supports 32bit cpu's, i had to replace in the example linux (loop)/casper/vmlinuz with linux (loop)/boot/vmlinuz but that's as far as i got
[23:56] <Alexion> my laptop is old, but still it has a 64-bit CPU
[23:56] <topcat001> Alexion: have you considered Ventoy? If you're reusing a drive for multiple isos then it is quite handy.
[23:57] <EriC^^> ah i think i downloaded the 32bit version, seems they have a different 64bit one


[12:18] <willvdl> well, we want to lower the bariier for folks to vet apps
[12:18] <willvdl> but make sure that devs can maintain the queues in the background
[12:18] <pips1> HedgeMage: the sign-on thing is high priority...
[12:18] <ogra-classmate> i'll rather say goodnight now ..... ciao
[12:18] <HedgeMage> Either it's moot or it's high priority...
[12:18] <HedgeMage> nn ogra-classmate
[12:18] <willvdl> pips1, why high?
[12:19] <pips1> sorry, *not* high priority
[12:19] <pips1> sorry
[12:19] <willvdl> :)
[12:19] <pips1> HedgeMage: explain what you mean by everything you want already exists as drupal contrib modules
[12:20] <willvdl> HedgeMage, our main concern is scalability and leveraging biggest developer pool
[12:21] <pips1> willvdl: by scalability, I suppose you mean, you want the performance of the application database to scale well?
[12:21] <HedgeMage> pips1: If I'm understanding what you want correctly, someone could submit a node with an application description, link to the app home page, possibly an attached file (package), and it should be rated and reviewed by many people, then passed on for review by someone of a special role, correct?
[12:21] <willvdl> pips1, no, I mean if we move to 6.0 or if we move parts of our webforms to the ubuntu-education site... flexibility more like
[12:22] <willvdl> HedgeMage, yes. It would be rated etc.
[12:22] <pips1> well, if it is done as a drupal module, we could easily use it at both edubuntu.org and ubuntu-education
[12:23] <willvdl> HedgeMage, the review process would tag it as: in Main? in Universe? need packaging? with reasons as to why it's held up or waiting etc.
[12:24] <HedgeMage> willvdl: that's easy to add, it's just a CCK taxonomy form field (you could use a standard CCK field, but making it a taxonomy thing improves performance and allows more flexible searching/viewing by status)
[12:24] <willvdl> HedgeMage, the more I think on it, it could be really easy in drupal
[12:24] <willvdl> I like the taxonomy idea
[12:24] <LaserJock> but in the end how easy would it be to get the data *out* of drupal?
[12:25] <LaserJock> can we just do a DB dump?
[12:25] <willvdl> matt nuzum reckons no LP authentication module yet, but openid should be easy and LP might get there
[12:25] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: yep
[12:25] <willvdl> LaserJock, yep
[12:25] <willvdl> custom commandline query if you want
[12:25] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: basically to get everything you'd need two things: a DB dump and a copy of the files/ dir where the uploaded files are kept
[12:25] <willvdl> HedgeMage, it uses either postgres or mysql right? there is a choice?
[12:25] <pips1> HedgeMage: yes, I understand the drupal modules you are suggesting, but we are talking about validation ... i.e. we want to query dynamically if debian packages for a certain (edu) application exist already before a community member creates a new entry in the app db...
[12:26] <HedgeMage> willvdl: mysql support gets a little more attention than Postgres, but postgres is still supported.
[12:26] <willvdl> HedgeMage, the files would stay in archive.ubuntu.com or packages.u.c or whereever
[12:26] <willvdl> we would only link meta-data and our own commenting/vetting etc.
[12:26] <HedgeMage> willvdl: ahh, so we're just linking to them?
[12:26] <willvdl> yip
[12:26] <willvdl> don't want to reinvent LP :)
[12:27] <HedgeMage> In that case, just slap together a custom CCK type for it -- I'd have to code a submodule for the linking to a package field interface to make it more non-coder friendly, but that's certainly do-able
[12:27] <HedgeMage> (It'd probably be a weekend project, not horribly complicated)
[12:27] <HedgeMage> What kind of API does LP provide for pulling that sort of information?
[12:28] <willvdl> dunno.
[12:28] <willvdl> but we wouldn't have to link to LP I don't think
[12:28] <HedgeMage> oh, just put in a link to the LP page?
[12:28] <willvdl> except maybe to get the seed file per release
[12:29] <willvdl> the only way to check if a package is on a CD is to query the seed
[12:30] <pips1> guys.. I need to go.. HedgeMage, I'm glad you're pitching in with this... but please, before you jump to any solutions, do read the specification in depth first, and we should elaborate the spec and the implementation bits a bit further before coming to any conclusions / hackfests :-)
[12:30] <HedgeMage> pips1: definitely... I don't have time for a hackfest for a couple of weeks anyway
[12:30] <willvdl> HedgeMage, meta-data like age applicability, localisation concerns etc. are not in LP
[12:30] <willvdl> they have to go in by hand
[12:30] <HedgeMage> okay
[12:30] <HedgeMage> I have to go too
[12:30] <willvdl> pips1, nighty. I will wrk on the spec more tomorrow
[12:30] <willvdl> HedgeMage, thanks a million
[12:31] <pips1> thanks guys.
[12:31] <willvdl> sounds like we have a solution. I'll put things down more clearly on the spec wiki page asap
[12:31] <HedgeMage> willvdl, pips1 -- someone please email me a reminder if you don't hear back from me by next week
[12:31] <pips1> and just to let you know - I'm travelling from tomorrow until monday, so unfortunately, I'll only be able to pick up the ball on tuesday earliest
[12:31] <HedgeMage> I have a lot on my plate right now and don't want to let this slip :)
[12:32] <willvdl> I'm traveling from Sunday to Thursday
[12:32] <willvdl> but will flesh out the spec first
[12:32] <pips1> uh uh, too much travelling all around
[12:32] <willvdl> HedgeMage, we envision this process/spec becoming a core part of app review in general
[12:33] <HedgeMage> cool :)
[12:33] <willvdl> plus, we need a new drupal anyway :)
[12:33] <pips1> willvdl: will you compile our discussion bits from above into the spec (pros/cons, drupal possiblities that HedgeMage mentioned - they are all valid)
[12:33] <willvdl> yeah, logging this call :)
[12:33] <HedgeMage> rocking :)
[12:35] <pips1> use this info in particular HedgeMage: "HedgeMage would use core Drupal + CCK (for a special node to make the form more intuitive) + upload (optional core module) for uploading the file + either 5star, review, or another voteapi module depending on the style of voting you want, then if you want to get really fancy add workflow and event so that when the reviews/votes hit a certain threshold, moderators/decision-makers are alerted"
[12:35] <pips1> ^^^ that a good summary of what would be needed drupal wise
[12:35] <willvdl> right, it's ANOTHER very late night for me :)
[12:35] <willvdl> see you guys tomorrow
[12:36] <HedgeMage> ttyl
[12:36] <pips1> however, building "workflow" in will need a bit more effort that a weekend hackfest ;-)
[12:36] <pips1> see you next week
[12:36] <willvdl> pips1, we stage the development.
[12:37] <willvdl> bits at a time
[12:37] <pips1> righty
[12:37] <willvdl> ciao
[12:37] <pips1> cu!
[12:39] <ajmitch> hello Burgwork
[12:39] <Burgwork> hey ajmitch
[12:41] <HedgeMage> pips1: I meant that particular feature would be a weekend hackfest :P
[02:44] <Solifugus> If I want to install in a lab for diskless workstations, what version of edubuntu do I need?  edubuntu-server?
[02:45] <Burgundavia> classroom server
[02:46] <Burgundavia> hey HedgeMage
[02:46] <Solifugus> I don't see one called classroom server... just desktop, server, and server addons
[02:46] <Burgundavia> where are you looking?
[02:46] <Solifugus> http://mirrors.cat.pdx.edu/ubuntu-iso/edubuntu/feisty/
[02:47] <Solifugus> Also... is edubuntu gnome only?  I'd really strongly prefer kde
[02:47] <Burgundavia> you can install kde
[02:47] <Burgundavia> but the default is gnome
[02:47] <Solifugus> ok.. fine then..
[02:47] <Burgundavia> in this case, you need the server cd
[02:47] <Solifugus> I need capabilities that gnome doesn't have. like kio slaves
[02:47] <Burgundavia> why are not downloading from edubuntu.org?
[02:48] <HedgeMage> hi Burgundavia
[02:48] <Solifugus> Burgundavia: I just googled for "edubuntu downloads"
[02:48] <Burgundavia> right
[02:49] <Burgundavia> the first hit I get in edubuntu.org/download
[02:50] <Solifugus> Burgundavia: but doesn't that eventually lead to mirrors.. like the one i picked.
[02:50] <Burgundavia> yes, but is explains what each download is
[02:51] <Solifugus> Burgundavia: yep.. that's true..
[06:34] <encompass> Amaranth: are you the guy that made the Amaranth theme?
[08:25] <LaserJock> morning highvoltage
[08:49] <highvoltage> morning LaserJock
[03:22] <mcsd> does anyone know if the restricted drivers are loaded by default in fiesty?
[03:23] <`6og> i would expect them to be
[03:26] <mcsd> hmmm lspci shows: 01:00.0 VGA comapatible controller: ATI TECH INC RV380 [Radeon X600 (PCIE)
[03:26] <mcsd> 01:00.1 Display Controller: ATI Tech I
[03:27] <mcsd> 01:00.1 Display Controller: ATI Tech Inc RV380 [Radeon X600
[03:27] <`6og> does `lsmod |grep ati` or `lsmod |grep fgl` return anything?
[03:27] <mcsd> but my resolution only goes up to 1024 x 768
[03:28] <`6og> sigh. i have to stop siwtching gui/sli irc clients
[03:28] <mcsd> lsmod |grep ati: cpufreq_conservative      8200   0
[03:28] <`6og> i was /trying/ to say: you probalby only need to reconfigure xorg
[03:31] <mcsd> ...but then everytime I reboot the live cd it will revert back to the incorrect xorg.conf
[03:32] <mcsd> is there a way to include the correct xorg.conf into a live cd?
[03:32] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:32] <`6og> um. there was some work done on that, but i dont know anything about it
[03:32] <`6og> hi sbalneav
[03:33] <`6og> how you going mate?
[03:33] <sbalneav> Doing ok
[03:56] <ha> Do you know somebody a programm for nuclear chart like kalzium for periodic table?
[03:56] <ha> (for isotop table)
[05:20] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: did you see my sync request bug for gcompris?
[05:20] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: all it needs is an ACK from you and for you to subscribe ubuntu-archive
[05:20] <ogra-classmate> nope, i have 110unread bugmails in my bugfolder atm let me look it up
[05:22] <ogra-classmate> there you got your ACK :)
[05:23] <ogra-classmate> the deps are right as well ?
[05:23] <ogra-classmate> (python version)
[05:23] <LaserJock> I'm pretty sure
[05:23] <ogra-classmate> good
[05:23] <LaserJock> for 2.5 it was just a rebuild
[05:24] <ogra-classmate> right
[05:24] <LaserJock> I had StevenK build it on amd64 for me
[05:24] <LaserJock> just to make sure the 64bit python problem was fixed
[05:24] <ogra-classmate> great
[05:24] <LaserJock> and I installed it and everything seemed ok
[05:24] <ogra-classmate> worst case ping me for such stuff
[05:24] <ogra-classmate> i have an qamd64 (even no amd64 os atm)
[05:25] <LaserJock> ah
[05:27] <ogra-classmate> LaserJock: any clue what bug 115704 might be about ??
[05:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115704 in gcompris "use gcompris on logout" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115704
[05:27] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: not yeat
[05:27] <ogra-classmate> heh
[05:27] <LaserJock> when i was doing the sync I noticed that there were 24 gcompris bugs!
[05:27] <ogra-classmate> its a *bit* sparse
[05:28] <LaserJock> I'm going to try to go through those and see what can be closed, etc.
[05:28] <ogra-classmate> there should be a bunch that is just leftover paperwork
[05:28] <ogra-classmate> i.e. fixed upstream
[05:28] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:31] <ogra-classmate> `anyway, i have to go mowing now ... else i"ll have a bad evening .... grass is starting to grow up to the window sill at points
[05:31] <ogra-classmate> and i'm overdue
[07:40] <tristan_> can anyone tell me if sound is supported at the edubuntu thin clients?
[07:40] <yuriy> it is
[07:40] <tristan_> ok
[07:41] <tristan_> how do those thin client work? just with a xserver client on a remote server or what?
[07:41] <tristan_> didn't read the manual and stuff.. I know ;p
[07:41] <LaserJock> basically
[07:42] <tristan_> ok
[07:42] <LaserJock> the thin client gets a basic environment, kernel, X
[07:42] <LaserJock> then sets up an ssh connection back to the server
[07:42] <tristan_> so it's actually the same as a normal setup?
[07:43] <LaserJock> in what way?
[07:43] <LaserJock> I mean, what the client sees should be normal
[07:43] <tristan_> well, like I installed with the debian netinstall in the past
[07:43] <tristan_> hmmz
[07:43] <LaserJock> but there's a lot of complications
[07:43] <LaserJock> sound is one of them
[07:43] <LaserJock> devices on the client is another
[07:43] <ogra-classmate> complications ?
[07:44] <LaserJock> well, it's not like doing it on a normal machine
[07:44] <LaserJock> you had to build that stuff in
[07:44] <ogra-classmate> indeed
[07:44] <tristan_> hmmz... not just installing Linux with a x-client?
[07:45] <ogra-classmate> but it functions like normal
[07:45] <LaserJock> yes
[07:45] <ogra-classmate> tristan_: not completely, but basically :)
[07:45] <LaserJock> I'm just saying it's a bit more complicated than doing X forwarding
[07:45] <ogra-classmate> the chroot we use is tweaked in many ways from a normal basic linux system
[07:46] <ogra-classmate> but the base is a mini ubuntu
[07:47] <tristan_> ok
[07:47] <tristan_> :)
[07:47] <LaserJock> tristan_: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/ltsp-theory.html might be a good read
[08:36] <t94xr> http://digg.com/software/Sue_me_first_Microsoft
[11:21] <ogra> LaserJock, http://librarian.launchpad.net/7824279/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.gcompris_8.3.1-3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz :(
[11:26] <LaserJock> what?!?
[11:26] <LaserJock> configure: error: Couldn't find gnuchess
[11:26] <ogra> well, i suspect its the one after that
[11:27] <ogra> ./configure: line 27762: exit: please: numeric argument required
[11:27] <ogra> ./configure: line 27762: exit: please: numeric argument required
[11:28] <LaserJock> hmm, yeah
[11:28] <LaserJock> well darn it, I built it on an updated i386 gutsy pbuilder
[11:28] <ogra> i'll look into it on the weekend
[11:28] <LaserJock> I wonder if it's a buildd problem
[11:28] <LaserJock> I don't see why it would, but I know there have been issues
[11:36] <LaserJock> ogra: what about tuxpaint? think you can get that uploaded before the weekend?
[11:37] <ogra> nope, next week is my big merge and spec review week
[11:37] <ogra> i'm unlikely to find time before
[11:39] <ogra> the gcompris error goes over all arches
[11:39] <LaserJock> blah
[11:39] <LaserJock> ok, I'll try to look at it as well
[11:40] <LaserJock> I don't understand why it worked in my pbuilder though
[11:40] <ogra-classmate> well, worst case we just add gnuchess to the build deps
[11:40] <ogra-classmate> might make sense anyway
[11:42] <LaserJock> hmm, that line 27762 in ./configure is:
[11:42] <LaserJock>   { (exit please install the gnuchess package version 5 or above); exit please install the gnuchess package version 5 or above; }; }
[11:42] <ogra-classmate> hmm
[11:43] <ogra-classmate> how does debian handle that then if its not a build-dep
[11:44] <ogra-classmate> hmm, there is a build-dep
[11:45] <LaserJock> so did the buildd just not find gnuchess?
[11:45] <ogra-classmate> URHG
[11:45] <ogra-classmate> there is no gnuchess anymore
[11:46] <LaserJock> in the log I see: Note, selecting gnome-games instead of gnuchess
[11:46] <ogra-classmate> teacher@edubuntu:~$ apt-cache show gnome-games|grep Replaces
[11:46] <ogra-classmate> Replaces: gnuchess, gnome-sudoku
[11:46] <LaserJock> well heck
[11:46] <ogra-classmate> hmm
[11:47] <LaserJock> gnuchess is old
[11:47] <LaserJock> but it's still in unstable it seems
[11:47] <ogra-classmate> well, i"ll talk to seb tomorrow if he"s around again
[11:48] <ogra-classmate> there should be a transition plan
[11:49] <LaserJock> hmm, yeah
[11:49] <LaserJock> I'll have to take a look at my pbuilder
[11:49] <LaserJock> it should have picked that up I think
[11:50] <ogra-classmate> zeah
[11:50] <ogra-classmate> s/z/y
[11:50] <LaserJock> well, I'm sorry oliver
[11:50] <LaserJock> hmm
[11:50] <ogra-classmate> not your fault :)
[11:50] <LaserJock> it also built on Stevenk's gutsy amd64 pbuilder
[11:50] <LaserJock> so 2 gutsy pbuilders built it fine
[11:51] <ogra-classmate> its probably gone since the most recent gnome/games upload
[11:52] <LaserJock> the last gnome-games was built on the 16th
[11:52] <ogra-classmate> hmm
[11:53] <LaserJock> anyway, I think seb128 or dholbach should know more about it
[11:53] <LaserJock> it looks to me to be a gnuchess -> gnome-games transition issue
[11:54] <ogra-classmate> yeah
[11:54] <ogra-classmate> its very likely
[12:17] <SimonAnibal> Ouch!!! Anyone familiar with APT enough to know what one's supposed to do when dpkg has a parse error in /var/lib/dpkg/available, and when you go check out the line it references you realize from there to the end of the file is the slightest bit garbled and corrupt?
[12:19] <SimonAnibal> I have no idea what could have done this...


[00:21]  * xnox what idiot uploaded empathy without update the ~ubuntu-desktop branch
[00:21]  * xnox ah xnox
[03:42] <pitti> Good morning
[05:04] <mlankhorst> Hello, world!
[05:04] <mlankhorst> Laney: yeah this is a bug fixed by updates
[05:11] <mlankhorst> it only happens once when updating to trusty, so you would need to have -updates enabled before you hit that bug :P
[05:12] <mlankhorst> Laney: and what version of macbook specifically?
[08:05] <Laney> morning
[08:05] <Laney> mlankhorst: ummmmm I think it's a 2010 one
[08:06] <Laney> Trevinho: I think it must misinterpret the number of fingers you're using or something
[08:06] <Laney> you can be scrolling down a web page and then the application switcher comes up and minimises the thing you're working on, for example
[08:34] <mlankhorst> it's too sensitive, I think..
[08:34] <Laney> is it tweakable?
[08:34] <Laney> we could try to find better values then submit them back upstream or something
[08:35] <mlankhorst> yeah it's tweakable, sec
[08:36] <Laney> or maybe I'll bring it to malta instead of my laptop and we can look at it there ...
[09:03] <mlankhorst> hm sec
[09:04] <mlankhorst> does the device show up in lsusb -v ?
[09:31] <mlankhorst> Laney: you probably want to bump FingerLow and FingerHigh..
[09:31] <Laney> i can't check now, will do soon
[09:31] <mlankhorst> synclient FingerLow=70 FingerHigh=75 is the default, try setting it to 100 / 105 or so
[09:32] <mlankhorst> will be gone on restarting X
[09:32] <Laney> instant apply?
[09:33] <mlankhorst> yeah
[09:33] <Laney> okay will try it when I get a chance, ty
[09:34] <Laney> are the defaults per model?
[09:34] <Laney> presumably those work for most people
[09:34] <mlankhorst> sort of, macbook has its own values
[09:34] <mlankhorst> but mostly calculated on other models
[09:40] <mlankhorst> oh right, need to do it the other way around, fingerhigh first, then fingerlow
[10:17] <mlankhorst> Laney: hm I've been using FingerHigh=105 FingerLow=85 seems to help a bit
[10:19] <Laney> do you get the issue too?
[10:20] <mlankhorst> a bit, but not sure if that's still the case, I'll have to test longer tonight :P
[11:49] <rickspencer3> good morning desktoptoppers
[11:49] <mlankhorst> morning!
[11:49] <rickspencer3> what, no seb128 this morning?
[11:49]  * rickspencer3 sips coffee
[11:49] <mlankhorst> no jibel either :/
[11:49] <rickspencer3> wow
[11:50] <ogra_> frenchies ...
[11:50] <ogra_> off half of may
[11:51] <rickspencer3> must be nice
[11:51] <rickspencer3> what about pitti? he's not an official desktopper anymore, but ...
[11:51] <rickspencer3> I guess I'm only temporary for a while anyway :)
[11:51] <ogra_> and not officially french yet either ;)
[11:52] <rickspencer3> ogra_, well, I had moved on from the French topic :)
[11:52] <ogra_> heh
[11:52] <rickspencer3> though, pitti parle bien francais ;)
[11:52] <ogra_> oui oui :)
[11:52] <Laney> nein danke
[11:52] <rickspencer3> morning Laney :)
[11:53] <Laney> hey rickspencer3, how's it going?
[11:53] <rickspencer3> I'm sipping some coffee before I head downtown to my coworking space
[11:53] <rickspencer3> I have a big day, looks like ... will be good to be out of the house for it
[11:53]  * rickspencer3 sluurrrp
[11:53]  * Laney is just finishing pot of tea #2
[11:54] <rickspencer3> Laney, I guess we are just stereotypes of our respective cultures
[11:54] <Laney> yeehaw!
[11:54] <pitti> rickspencer3: peut-être je peux parler un peu français, mais je travaille aujourd'hui :)
[11:54]  * rickspencer3 polishes gun
[11:54] <rickspencer3> hey pitti!
[11:55] <pitti> oh, so it's a French holiday? I was already wondering why jibel wouldn't turn up
[11:55] <rickspencer3> I am having very nice flashbacks to 2009 :)
[11:55]  * pitti hugs rickspencer3
[11:55]  * rickspencer3 hugs pitti
[12:20] <Laney> xnox: it got reverted :(
[12:23] <xnox> Laney: i know, with an angry email to foundations mailing list.
[12:24] <Laney> oops
[12:24] <Laney> oh well, we'll get there one day
[12:24] <xnox> Laney: "I'm asking to delay this discussion until the sprint."
[12:25]  * Laney nod
[12:25] <xnox> Laney: is it sufficient, or undesirable to change gnome-terminal default to "run command as login shell" toggle in the settings?
[12:26] <mlankhorst> well I created my testcase for the pointer bug!
[12:31] <Laney> xnox: It's true that /etc/profile and ~/.bash_profile source the bashrc files, but I'm not sure there are other side effects or we want to rely on this behaviour
[12:32] <Laney> I don't think I'd mind if there were an /etc/bashrc.d/ that we could install that file into
[12:36] <xnox> Laney: /etc/bashrc.d/ is a miss-normer. Since things in /etc/profile.d/ can detect if they are login/interractive/both and act appropriately.
[12:36] <xnox> Laney: and nobody else has bashrc.d
[12:37] <xnox> Laney: that's not a deal breaker, for me, however.
[12:37] <Laney> then I think profile.d is probably the misnomer
[12:37] <Laney> or things can be symlinked
[12:37] <xnox> =) ok
[12:37] <Laney> anyway we can have the discussion at $sprint as requested
[12:37] <xnox> Laney: well, doko was against profile.d and it had to be added in base-files, instead of bash in Debian...
[12:38] <xnox> and he still is.
[12:38] <Laney> haha
[12:38] <Laney> I think that ship has sailed
[12:38] <xnox> Laney: cause about "bashrc.d" he commented: "i don't see it in base-files"
[12:39] <xnox> i mean we can ship base-files which dpkg-diverts /etc/bash.bashrc and installs a copy that sources profile.d .....
[12:39] <xnox> Laney: fedora sources profile.d from their system bashrc
[12:40] <Laney> yes I think that would be fine, just saying that if people are opposed there are other possibilities
[12:41] <xnox> Laney: the only person opposing, is the one that opposes the whole notion of profile.d. If that is not biased, I don't know what is =)
[12:43] <dpm> hey Laney, some folks are asking me why there isn't a Traditional Chinese language option to choose from in System Settings. Where is the list of languages generated from? I can choose e.g. Catalan in there even before installing the language packs for it (it won't work until I install the langpack, but it seems I still can choose it nevertheless)
[12:44] <dpm> there are two options that look Chinese to the untrained eye (such as for me :) - but they tell me one is for Simplified Chinese (China) and the second for Simplified Chinese (Singapore)
[12:45] <dpm> at the bottom of the list of languages
[12:47] <Laney> dpm: It runs 'locale -a' to get the list of installed locales
[12:48] <Laney> then converts those back into a display name
[12:48] <Laney> I think we do have zh-hans so if it says zh-hant then there might be a bug there
[12:56] <Laney> dpm: oh I misread
[12:56] <dpm> Laney, ah, thanks. So what makes a locale an "installed locale"? If I run it on my desktop, I can see http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7415847/ - which shows zh_CN and zh_SG
[12:56] <dpm> strangely, I don't have the langpacks for those locales on my desktop
[12:57] <dpm> and they seem to coincide with the two Chinese locales shown on the phone
[13:01] <dpm> ah, correction: I do have the zh-hans language pack installed on my system
[13:01] <dpm> (on the desktop, I mean)
[13:01] <Laney> I think zh-hans generates zh-sg
[13:01] <dpm> yeah, sounds likely
[13:01] <Laney> so they probably share translations
[13:02] <Laney> if you install zh-hant you get zh_HK and zh_TW
[13:02] <dpm> so it'd be a matter of adding zh-hant to the image to see a Traditional Chinese choice
[13:02] <Laney> which will probably appear as Chinese (Hong Kong) and Chinese (Taiwan)
[13:02] <Laney> translated
[13:02] <Laney> hopefully that's okay ...
[13:02] <dpm> but I'm still puzzled as to why I saw Catalan
[13:02] <dpm> ah, perhaps the es langpacks generate the ca locale too?
[13:02] <dpm> on the phone, I mean
[13:03] <pitti> dpm: yes, the -ll langpack generates all available ll_??.UTF-8 locales
[13:04] <Laney> I don't have ca_ on my phone here
[13:04] <pitti> zh-{hans,hant} are a special case, all other langpacks work equally like this ^
[13:04] <pitti> Laney: es_CA
[13:04] <Laney> oh I thought he was talking about catalan as in ca_* the language
[13:05] <pitti> oh dear, sorry
[13:05] <pitti> yes, I mixed that up -- it's ca_ES of course
[13:06] <Laney> I'm not sure if anything other than the langpack is likely to have generated that
[13:07] <dpm> pitti, Laney, nevermind, that helps. The take is that I'll have to request the zh-hant to be added to the images for the MAE demo. Where is the best place to ask for that?
[13:08] <Laney> dpm: do a merge proposal against lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.utopic
[13:09] <Laney> I think
[13:13] <dpm> great, thanks Laney
[13:31] <bregma> xnox, are you going to SRU the #1307701  patch to qtbase-opensource-src for 14.04?  There's a push to get it fixed from Canonical's OEM people.
[13:31] <pmcgowan> bregma, can you join a call on that right now?
[13:33] <xnox> bregma: i cannot access that bug number.
[13:33] <xnox> bregma: so i don't know what you are talking about.
[13:34] <xnox> bregma: or i am being silly =)
[13:34] <xnox> bug  #1307701
[13:34] <xnox> bug #1307701
[13:34] <xnox> bot is dead =(
[13:34] <xnox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1307701
[13:34] <bregma> that's the one
[13:35] <xnox> bregma: no, i don't plan to do with that bug report anything at all. Maybe you mean somebody else? e.g. mlankhorst ?
[13:36] <mlankhorst> bregma: hold on
[13:36] <mlankhorst> bregma: I am still working on the final fix, think i got it now
[13:37] <bregma> xnox, sorry, got confused with a different bug you were working on, it's mlankhorst I'm after after all
[13:37] <mlankhorst> but I am uncertain what the implications will be..
[13:37]  * bregma always has too many irons in the fire
[13:39] <xnox> bregma: it will land in e.g. 14.04.2 =) i guess you want it earlier than that
[13:40] <bregma> xnox, the bug I wanted to ask _you_ about was bug  #1317276 Unity 7 GCC ICE on ARM64
[13:40] <bregma> did you get a chance to look at that while the build image is still around?
[13:43] <xnox> bregma: i've stashed the binaries + source + build log for myself to inspect.
[13:43] <xnox> bregma: i didn't check it yet.
[13:44] <xnox> bregma: let me kick that off.
[13:44] <bregma> xnox, OK, it's going to block my landing, but at least the data won't get lost
[13:45] <om26er> mlankhorst, hey, did you receive the touch laptop yet ? re: X crashing with touch.
[13:45] <mlankhorst> om26er: not yet but I made a xorg-integration-tests test for it
[13:48]  * rickspencer3 gets up at coworking space to grab more coffee
[13:54] <pmcgowan> mlankhorst, I forgot to ask if we are still seeing the crashes that were reported
[13:57] <mlankhorst> pmcgowan: not sure tbh, the way qt solved problems to prevent pointer emulation was evil. :P
[13:57] <pmcgowan> ok
[13:59] <mlankhorst> but i think the ~ppa7 I uploaded solved the bugs
[14:06] <Laney> attente tedg kenvandine mpt larsu: settings / indicators meeting?
[14:08] <larsu> Laney: no news from me in that regard - do you need me for anything?`
[14:08] <Laney> larsu: not in particular
[14:09]  * larsu joins anyway
[14:50] <mlankhorst> om26er: no? :P
[14:52] <om26er> mlankhorst, so that was a ask to test ? :)
[14:52] <om26er> mlankhorst, sure I can try that
[14:53] <mlankhorst> lets see if it finished building yet
[14:53] <mlankhorst> ~ppa6 should work, but I prefer some testing on ~ppa7 too, just to be certain :)
[16:15] <Sweetshark> ricotz: FWIW, I just uploaded 4.2.4 to libreoffice-staging
[16:35] <ricotz> Sweetshark, thanks, for got to mention cherry-picking this would have been nice -- http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?h=libreoffice-4-2&id=10fef58379630c9d8e8ba76258baee917959e7c5
[17:13] <Sweetshark> ricotz: well, maybe later ...
[17:13] <Sweetshark> seb128: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/174835270/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-armhf.libreoffice_1%3A3.5.7-0ubuntu6_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz <- meh.
[18:33] <ricotz> Sweetshark, backports are building
[21:20] <robert_ancell> RAOF, hey. The SRU for bug 1286766 hasn'tfully rolled out because whoopsie-daisy has picked up new crash reports for that version. Looking at the reports it seems like they are memory corruption issues, and looking at errors.ubuntu.com seems to indicate that nautilus has a low-level issue like this (https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2014.04&package=nautilus&period=day) - i.e. many random stack trace reports.
[21:21] <robert_ancell> My guess is that the SRU hasn't caused the problem, it's just that nautilus is flaky. Do you agree / what's the next step to unblocking this?
[21:29] <robert_ancell> RAOF, also asked bdmurray in #ubuntu-devel
[23:48] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Ah, I see that Brian has handled that. Good, I don't know how to manually futz with the staged update percentage :)
[23:48] <robert_ancell> RAOF, yeah, I had no idea either :)