[00:12] <jedijf> JonathanD: anyone in the Loco can have an event at anytime
[00:12] <jedijf> forums mailing list wiki
[00:23] <JonathanD> jedijf: can we pretend geeknic was an event :P
[00:24] <JonathanD> isn't there a requirement for some number of things to happen each year?
[00:24] <JonathanD> or at least a desire
[00:24] <JonathanD> jedijf: then myself, InHisName andrew (at least) had an event? :D
[00:25] <MutantTurkey> y y y ya ya yawnn
[00:47] <jedijf> all InHisName or you had to do was post to the ml, forum, etc...
[00:47] <jedijf> but enough was worked out in here to 'count'
[00:56] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: is there a "event per year" level?
[00:56] <MutantTurkey> solution: weekly meetings
[00:56] <MutantTurkey> whenever two or more of us are gathered - declare thee a meeting of ubuntu-us-pa
[00:57] <MutantTurkey> Trovoltis 13:37
[00:57] <MutantTurkey> amirite
[01:05] <jedijf> just activity, no real quantities
[01:06] <jedijf> regionally we suck - outside of philly area
[01:06] <MutantTurkey> yeah
[01:06] <MutantTurkey> well
[01:13] <rmg51> we're not doing so well inside Philly :P
[01:23] <jedijf> that too
[01:24] <jedijf> well, we just had a geeknic
[01:28] <rmg51> but no release party :P
[04:13] <andrew> Darnit, somebody should have burned an ISO or something between burgers yesterday.
[05:15] <InHisName> Unity bugs me again,   HOW TO start a 2nd copy of something in Unity ?
[05:34] <InHisName> The grill could a done a geat job burning CDs.
[07:36] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[09:35] <rmg51> Morning
[09:40] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:41] <JonathanD> man
[09:41] <JonathanD> slept too late
[10:47] <Irishmanluke> I ordered a 16 gig usb drive for 7 dollars after rebate
[10:51] <JonathanD> nice
[12:04] <InHisName> morning too
[12:07] <SamuraiAlba> morning three
[13:08] <InHisName> Unity bugs me again,   HOW TO start a 2nd copy of something in Unity ?
[13:20] <rmg51> uh, click on it?
[13:23] <lamalex> right click
[13:29] <InHisName> right click on 'home folder' has no option to start.  Left click activates existing folder.   I want TWO folders open at same time.   Tried using ALT+,   SHIFTtt+, CTRL+   left/right click  => no diff than without.
[13:47] <rmg51> can't help you, I don't use Unity =-O
[14:27] <lamalex> InHisName, dude it says "open new window"
[14:28] <InHisName> I'd be happy to see "open new window" somewhere, but I have not yet.
[14:28] <JonathanD> Just click harder.
[14:28] <JonathanD> use 2 hands.
[14:28] <lamalex> 2d or 3d? 12.10 or 12.04
[14:28] <InHisName> four fingers ?
[14:28] <lamalex> haha
[14:29] <InHisName> 11.10
[14:29] <lamalex> or shit man just use the nautilus menu- can't believe youve been trying to figure out how to open a 2nd window for an hour
[14:29] <JonathanD> I usually use my foot.
[14:30] <JonathanD> left one works best.
[14:31] <InHisName> typing nautil into dash home got me to "files" and that opened a 2nd folder.
[14:32] <InHisName> Some of my Unity buttons do have a "open NEW window"  and some do not.   Is there a place to tweek that ?
[14:33] <jedijf> it's probably something that has tabbed windows too
[15:17] <waltman> You'd think by now I'd remember to factor in an extra half an hour every time I have to fire up MS Word for all the security updates to install.
[15:18] <MobileTurkey> I hate updates on this mac - i have to reboot every time
[15:18] <waltman> That's one thing that's gotten much better on Lion.
[15:19] <waltman> But at least the OSX updates proactively download. With Office you never know they're there until you try to use a program.
[15:19] <MobileTurkey> true
[15:20] <waltman> It doesn't help that I'm already in a grumpy mood because I've got to do my grad student annual review today
[15:20] <MobileTurkey> oh jeez
[15:21] <waltman> The form is due the day after my defense :)
[15:23] <MobileTurkey> btw anyone looking for a nice and simple terminal emulator: http://code.google.com/p/svte
[15:44] <waltman> No screenshots? :)
[15:50] <MobileTurkey> err
[15:50] <MobileTurkey> good catch
[15:50] <MobileTurkey> there should be some there
[15:52] <waltman> Also I think you should explain the logo. Is it some subtle pun that I'm not getting?
[15:53] <MobileTurkey> I think tat's just the default
[15:53] <MobileTurkey> let me change it
[15:53] <waltman> the default for what?
[15:53] <MobileTurkey> google projects
[15:53] <MobileTurkey> google code'
[15:54] <waltman> svte stands for "small vte"?
[15:55] <MobileTurkey> simple virtual terminal emulator
[15:55] <waltman> "svte is a virtual terminal emulator" :)
[15:56] <MobileTurkey> sadin: you can do graphics stuff right? can you make a simple terminal logo?
[15:56] <MobileTurkey> i'll pay you 5 bucks
[16:09] <MobileTurkey> waltman: any other complaints? :p
[16:09] <waltman> No, only wondering why the world needs Yet Another Terminal Program :)
[16:09] <MobileTurkey> because the alternatives were sucky
[16:10] <MobileTurkey> for example sakura - with very similar amount of function - i tried to contribute... 2.5k lines of hell and crappy code - i gave up
[16:10] <MobileTurkey> wrote this in a day
[16:10] <waltman> I've never felt the need to look at the source code for any of my terminal programs.
[16:11] <MobileTurkey> it was missing a few features i wanted ;p
[16:43] <waltman> such as...?
[16:44] <MobileTurkey> i believe it was a bug regarding the ability to set something
[16:44] <MobileTurkey> i can check
[16:47] <MobileTurkey> waltman: incompatible flags
[16:47] <MobileTurkey> or something
[16:55] <MobileTurkey> waltman: I made a quicky logo in inkscape
[16:55] <MobileTurkey> inkscape stinks
[16:56] <MobileTurkey> hey Pici`
[16:57] <Pici> MobileTurkey: heya
[16:58] <MobileTurkey> what's up?
[17:00] <waltman> MobileTurkey: Why a dollar sign? That makes it look like you're typing "vte" at a bash prompt. :)
[17:01] <MobileTurkey> that's the joke
[17:02] <MobileTurkey> $(S)vte
[17:02] <MobileTurkey> maybe sadin will make me a better one
[17:02] <MobileTurkey> can you copyright svgs?
[17:02] <MobileTurkey> i guess...
[17:02] <MobileTurkey> but it's weird because svg's are like cookbooks,
[17:14] <MobileTurkey> cythes: :-)
[17:16] <cythes> MobileTurkey, :D sUP
[17:18] <MobileTurkey> how ya been dude?
[17:19] <cythes> Not bad, working on a few things here and there. Yourself?
[17:20] <MobileTurkey> good working and stuff
[17:20] <MobileTurkey> got accepted to Temple
[18:49] <sadin> MobileTurkey Inkscape is different then others its hard to master if you come from PS or GIMP
[18:50] <MobileTurkey> I haven't used others
[18:50] <MobileTurkey> well gimp but not for SVG
[18:50] <MobileTurkey> it's just SLOW as anything
[18:50] <MobileTurkey> sadin: like my impressive logo?
[18:50] <MobileTurkey> sadin: http://code.google.com/p/svte/
[18:50] <MobileTurkey> lol
[18:50] <sadin> lol
[18:50] <sadin> Could be worse
[18:51] <MobileTurkey> basically
[18:54] <cythes> MobileTurkey, Oh yeah I heard about that man :D Pure epic!
[18:54] <MobileTurkey> :)
[18:55] <cythes> Also your working on a new terminal I'm guessing?
[18:56] <MobileTurkey> no
[18:56] <MobileTurkey> old
[18:56] <MobileTurkey> from a year or so ago
[18:56] <MobileTurkey> but getting a gtk3 port done on it
[18:56] <cythes> Oh I see :)
[18:56] <MobileTurkey> yeah
[18:56] <MobileTurkey> its nice
[18:56]  * cythes wishes at this point he knew more about coding xD
[18:57]  * cythes gives it a shot.
[18:58]  * sadin giggles
[18:58] <sadin> hahahah http://memegenerator.net/instance/21197779?browsingOrder=New&browsingTimeSpan=Today
[18:59] <MobileTurkey> sadin: lol


[11:17] <JackFrost> For private files in public bugs, does Canonical have some form of private tracker to keep things historical internally?
[11:20] <sladen> JackFrost: if there are necessarily private files; make a private bug report.  But it will get less eye-balls.  Instead try to avoid the private file; eg. by refining/reducing the use-case
[11:22] <JackFrost> sladen: Actually that's not what I'm getting at, the bug was most certainly not private, but the testcase was.  It was about a SRU that hit an issue (which amusingly didn't happen in the development series), and I'm hoping that a new release that's about to start filtering in will have that regression again.
[22:23] <chiluk> Where's the latest documentation for +1 maintenance.  I thought I did a proper +1 upload for vagrant + focal, but it seems to have gone into a black hole....


[01:34] <harrisr> can you please un ban me at Closing Link: ip68-99-140-136.ph.ph.cox.net (*** Banned )   i have learned my leasson and i need support
[01:38] <IdleOne> :/
[01:38] <IdleOne> I see no active ban
[01:39] <Unit193> You sure it's not a k-line?
[01:40] <gry> yea he was kline evading and perhaps thinking that'd be sorted before joining channels.. folks got him quit and wait
[01:40] <IdleOne> hmm you have a point, but that host he gave us is not banned and neither is his current one
[01:40] <IdleOne> least not in #ubuntu
[01:40] <gry> perhaps bit fail understanding of how things work, he thought his previous kline should be lifted and that he's 'banned' in all the channels while it's not
[01:41] <IdleOne> ah, user fail.
[01:41] <gry> yep, that happens at some points, users get way too inventive at times
[07:37] <bazhang> lovely. announcing the iggy box
[18:54] <Darael> Hello.  Not really worth a full call via the bots, but we have a Turkish speaker in #ubuntu who is ignoring !tr and capsing a lot.  Oh, and joining with a slightly modified nick when IdleOne chucked them out.
[18:55] <Darael> (and the thought occurs that I haven't mentioned the username.  Currently it's ugur_.  It was ugur before.)
[18:55] <DJones> It looks like SonicAmerika is trying to get them into the right channel as they speak turkish
[18:55] <Darael> Indeed.  They don't seem to have had much success, though...


[01:07] <sbalneav> Evening all
[01:18] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav
[01:26] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock!
[02:13] <JoeError> Hello all, I'd like to shoot a quick question at y'all. I'm taking over a small computer lab at the local Y and I'm pretty set on edubuntu. I'm wondering what the best way to remotely administer the entire lab would be? I'm proficient enough to do it all with bash, and what I was ideally hoping for was some way to use bash to make changes to ALL the computers in the lab as simultaneously as possible. Of course I'm not opposed to user
[02:19] <Burgundavia> JoeError: if you are using ltsp, a chnage on the server will affect all the computers
[02:22] <JoeError> ltsp... I'm not familiar with that...
[02:22] <JoeError> I'll look into that
[02:22] <JoeError> beautiful that's exactly what I want
[02:22] <JoeError> thanks
[04:07] <Artemka> nybody already made OO as local application?
[04:16] <sbalneav> Artemka: N
[04:16] <sbalneav> Artemka: No
[04:17] <JoeError> anyone know a way to basically put a "new user" button on the gdm login screen?
[04:20] <sbalneav> you mean to add a user?
[04:20] <JoeError> yeah
[04:21] <JoeError> but I don't want to do it for every user
[04:21] <JoeError> I want the users to be able to do that
[04:21] <JoeError> I'm under the impression I might actually just not have seen the option to do that
[04:21] <sbalneav> No, there's no way to do that.  Adding users is a priviledged operation.  Besides, you probably DON'T want random people creating their own accounts.
[04:22] <sbalneav> You'd very quickly have a box with 1000's of accounts on it :)
[04:23] <JoeError> well it's for a computer lab at the y
[04:23] <JoeError> using old computers
[04:23] <JoeError> as thin clients
[04:24] <JoeError> and I kinda do want them to do that
[04:24] <JoeError> I can't sit there and add all the users
[04:25] <sbalneav> Why not?  The Y's probably got membership cards and a user database of some sort I'd expect, why not simply grab
[04:25] <JoeError> because I seriously doubt they'd let me
[04:25] <sbalneav> an export of that, and create a script to do a bulk add, or some such/
[04:26] <sbalneav> They're probably ALSO not going to want random people off the street being able to walk in and create accounts on the Y's computer systems, either :)
[04:26] <JoeError> well you can't go into the Y as a random person anymore
[04:26] <JoeError> they have to identify themselves as members as soon as they walk in the door
[04:27] <Burgundavia> a better solution is to create a kiosk account
[04:27] <Burgundavia> sbalneav: did you ever finish that pam_rmhomedir?
[04:27] <sbalneav> code was posted, and it worked.
[04:27] <sbalneav> No one ever did anything with it.
[04:28] <sbalneav> guest accounts would be the better way to go.
[04:29] <Burgundavia> if you want to run an uncrippled guest account, you basically need to create and remove home dirs as you go
[08:49] <stgraber> RichEd: What time is the meeting today ?
[08:49] <RichEd> stgraber: not sure .... let me check
[08:50] <RichEd> 12h00 utc
[08:51] <stgraber> ok, I'll probably be there at around 12:15 (starting school again at 12:10)
[08:51] <RichEd> by school ... do you mean university or still final school years ?
[08:52] <stgraber> third and last year of technical school
[08:55] <RichEd> in south africa we do school up to K12 ... then university for degree or technikon for a diploma ... how does your technical school fit into that structure ?
[09:01] <stgraber> hmm, here we have 5 years primary school, then 4 years secondary school, then 3 years of tech school or other kind of school (so we have a maturity), then university or ingineer school
[09:52] <mario> yo
[10:59] <RichEd> ping ogra
[11:04] <RichEd> ping ogra
[12:16] <RichEd> [12:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> how long is the meeting?
[12:17] <RichEd> as short as possible ... ogra and i have specs to finish for tomorrow
[12:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> held here or -meeting?
[12:18]  * Kamping_Kaiser will stay up if its RSN and short
[12:18] <RichEd> -meeting
[12:35] <RichEd> [12:35] <RichEd> in #ubuntu-meeting
[13:59] <sbalneav> Morning all
[14:29] <bddebian> Heya
[14:31] <pygi> oh noes, bddebian
[14:31] <juliux> hey pygi and bddebian
[14:32] <bddebian> Heh, hi pygi, juliux
[15:01] <theunixgeek> How do I change the color that appears after I log in and before my desktop loads?
[15:05] <sbalneav> theunixgeek: I think that's the desktop colour
[15:05] <sbalneav> check in the desktop preferences, change the colour there.
[15:07] <theunixgeek> sbalneav: I figured out just now that it's actually in /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default :) I'm gonna try it out now.
[15:11] <charlie> hi all
[15:12] <charlie> has anyone tested ltsp on an quad core system
[15:21] <sbalneav> I use ltsp on dual dual-core systems, that close enoug?
[15:32] <charlie_> sbalneav, thanks
[15:32] <charlie_> ogra has replied to me in the ltsp channel
[15:33] <charlie_> stating thatit has been done
[15:33] <sbalneav> Shouldn't really matter HOW many cores your server has.  If Linux supports it, then it should work
[15:39] <charlie_> just for flash support
[15:39] <charlie_> i mean
[16:36] <airjump> hello from europe
[16:40] <airjump> olpc vs. asus eee pc Have someone test the asus eee pc with edubuntu?
[16:41]  * pygi thinks somebody did play with it
[16:41] <pygi> ogra perhaps? :)
[16:41] <pygi> highvoltage: com'on, our ambassador :)
[16:43] <ogra> the triple e pc isnt education related in any way, so no i didnt test it yet, i saw it from a distance though
[16:43] <airjump> What do you think of highvoltage?
[16:44] <airjump> hello pygi?
[16:46] <airjump>
[16:47] <pygi> airjump: hey :)
[16:47] <airjump> :->
[16:48] <pygi> airjump: highvoltage is our community ambassador :D
[16:48] <pygi> that's a person :D
[16:48] <airjump> ahhhh OK
[16:49] <pygi> personally, I think OLPC works best with it's own OS :)
[16:49] <airjump> OK
[16:51] <airjump> But i think the asus eee pc is a good alternative for Europe people
[16:52] <pygi> well, send me one, and I'll test it for you :)
[16:52] <airjump> In my environment, there are a lot of the young people they want to have simple PC
[16:52] <airjump> i talk today with the asus hotline in germany
[16:53] <airjump> but asus say in europe the eee pc come at the end of dec.
[16:54] <airjump>
[16:56] <airjump> ok i say good bye
[16:57] <ogra> airjump, we have someone looking into the triple e
[16:57] <airjump> yes 8D
[16:57] <ogra> look for "bryce" on #ubuntu-devel
[16:57] <airjump> thanks
[16:58] <ogra> i'm taking care for building an image for the classmate PC so the os setup might be similar (as the HW specs are)
[16:58] <ogra> but as its not edu related it didnt land on my desk
[16:58] <airjump> ok
[17:06] <highvoltage> pygi: heh
[17:06] <highvoltage> pygi: nope, haven't played with Eee yet, but I'll probably get one next year some time :)
[17:12] <airjump> Hi highvoltage i think i will get one next year too i will  the 10°
[17:15] <highvoltage> airjump: the 10?
[17:15] <johnny_> 10 degrees
[17:17] <airjump> sorry not degrees
[17:17] <airjump> the display size
[17:17] <highvoltage> aaaah
[17:17] <highvoltage> yes, I don't know. I guess I'll have to see what's available and what they cost
[17:19] <airjump> yes
[17:20] <highvoltage> airjump: where are you from?
[17:21] <airjump> from germany
[17:21] <airjump> and you
[17:24] <highvoltage> much more south... south africa
[17:24] <airjump> hey cool
[17:25] <airjump> i was 2003 to 2004 in capte town, joburg and swaziland
[17:25] <airjump> 3 weeks
[17:25] <airjump> with german scouts
[17:25] <highvoltage> ah cool. I'm from cape town, on a work trip in johannesburg at the moment.
[17:25] <airjump> cool
[17:26] <highvoltage> where in germany do you stay?
[17:26] <airjump> sorry but a have no old pictures from our trip to south africa
[17:26] <airjump> wait a moment
[17:27] <airjump> you can open the link and finde the town in germany
[17:28] <highvoltage> ah ok
[17:45] <LaserJock> highvoltage: they're selling Eee's here. I'm a bit surprised. They're all sold out of course, but I'm sure they'll get more
[17:47] <highvoltage> LaserJock: yes, seems like it's a big hit
[17:47] <LaserJock> yeah
[17:48] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I love the idea of solid state storafe. hard disks are so clunky, noisy and use a lot of energy
[17:48] <highvoltage> fast "seek" times would also be nice.
[17:48] <LaserJock> I'm worried about speed and that they will wear out quicker
[17:49] <LaserJock> a hard drive is pretty easy to replace
[17:52] <LaserJock> highvoltage: have you had a chance to do anything with the edubuntu.org theme
[17:53] <LaserJock> I've been so busy with school, etc. I haven't been able to do anything
[17:55] <highvoltage> LaserJock: same here, and will be for the next two weeks still. after that, I'll be pretty much free for a month (I can't wait)
[17:56] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I like what Vincint did with the http://www.xubuntu.org site, he gave the old theme a bit of a facelift, while they get the new theme done
[17:56] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I'm going to steal some of his ideas, he said it's fine
[17:58] <juliux> hey LaserJock herman_
[17:58] <juliux> hey LaserJock highvoltage
[17:58] <LaserJock> highvoltage: cool, the Xubuntu site looks pretty decent. Better than it used to
[17:59] <LaserJock> highvoltage: what do you think about making the background white? so it's basically red and white
[17:59] <highvoltage> hey juliux
[18:00] <highvoltage> LaserJock: you mean so that the yellow part is white, from the current edubuntu theme?
[18:09] <LaserJock> highvoltage: yep
[18:10] <LaserJock> highvoltage: do you have the current theme somewhere?
[18:12] <x_or> I am trying to install ubuntu in Brazil.  I downloaded the CD after about ten hours and it looks like it is corrupted.  It does boot into the liveCD mode, and I am actually typing using Ubuntu.  However, the installer will not work, it complains of a disk error.  Does anyone know if I can run the installer manually, perhaps downloading the installer packages via the network connection?
[18:46] <pygi> highvoltage: so you'll get one to me as well? :D
[19:23] <Petaris> Hi all
[19:23] <Petaris> I am setting up an LTSP server and I want to change the defaults for firefox
[19:24] <Petaris> I have an amd64 server but installed a 32 bit firefox in /opt/apps32/firefox
[19:24] <Petaris> I set the settings in the base dir but they are ignored
[19:25] <Petaris> I also tried setting them in /etc/firefox and /usr/share/firefox but still they are ignored
[19:25] <Petaris> Any thoughts on what might cause this?
[19:35] <Petaris> Using Gutsy btw
[20:21] <Petaris> ok, so now its only ignoring my homepage setting
[20:22] <Petaris> anyone have thoughts as to why this might be?
[20:23] <Petaris> I have it set in firefox.js in /etc/firefox/defaults/pref /usr/share/firefox/defaults/pref /opt/apps32/firefox/defaults/pref
[21:05] <Nuba1> hey, which port does tftp work on?
[21:05] <Nuba1> my firewall is blocking it for some reason
[21:05] <johnny_> 69?
[21:06] <johnny_> of course a simple web search could tell you that
[21:06] <Nuba1> tried that no go
[21:06] <johnny_> i found it from a websearch
[21:06] <Nuba1> like I havent done that already
[21:06] <Nuba1> :') obviously its a non standard port
[21:06] <johnny_> first link at "tftp port"
[21:06] <johnny_> says 69
[21:06] <Nuba1> for edubuntu?
[21:06] <johnny_> no, it's a standard port
[21:07] <johnny_> i doubt edubuntu would use a different port
[21:07] <Nuba1> cant be, openned that up and firewall still blocks tftp
[21:07] <johnny_> i'm using ubuntu, i really doubt it'd e different for ubuntu
[21:07] <Nuba1> its got to be another port
[21:07] <johnny_> look in /etc/inetd.conf
[21:07] <Nuba1> ah, good point
[21:07] <Nuba1> its 2000 and 20001 for nbd
[21:07] <Nuba1> 2001
[21:07] <johnny_> yes
[21:09] <johnny_> so what does it say for tftp ?
[21:10] <Nuba1> nothing... but Im trying to unblock udp now too
[21:10] <johnny_> yes.. udp
[21:10] <Nuba1> hmmm unblocked nbd ports and udp+tcp 69 and still blocked
[21:11] <johnny_> firewalls.. lol
[21:12] <Nuba1> ah got it
[21:16] <Nuba1> ah, I hate shorewall
[22:10] <Tailsfan> Hello, Is the server CD the same thing as teh Alt. Installer
[22:11] <Burgundavia> Tailsfan: the same installer, but you get different things
[22:11] <Tailsfan> OK Thanks
[22:11] <Tailsfan> because I'm trying to finish my Ubuntu Collection and I wanted to know If I got teh right image or not
[22:13] <Tailsfan> I now have all the Desktop/Live and Alt. Installer CDs for Gutsy for teh Official Ubuntu Family
[22:14] <Burgundavia> basically, there are two installers
[22:14] <Tailsfan> but I wanted to install the GUI version
[22:14] <Burgundavia> the alternate one is based on the debian-installer and the live one is called Ubiquity, although it uses a lot of logic and code from d-i
[22:14] <Burgundavia> what you install with those installs depends on what cd you get
[22:14] <Burgundavia> the desktop alternate and the desktop live will install the same system, at least for Ubuntu
[22:15] <Burgundavia> for edubuntu I don't actually know, as I have never actually installed Edubunt8
[22:16] <Tailsfan> but I needed the alt. to 1. complete my collection and 2. for whenevr I install it on Virtualization Software
[22:17] <Tailsfan> I wanted to become a Computer Teacher someday myself anyway
[22:19] <Burgundavia> teaching is a lot harder than it seems
[22:19] <Tailsfan> Why, are you a teacher?
[22:20] <Burgundavia> I have taught computer stuff, yes
[22:20] <Burgundavia> I have done a lot of things in my life
[22:20] <Burgundavia> none of them very well
[22:21] <theunixgeek> Hello. I'm following the osdev Bare Bones tutorial for writing a simple kernel. http://www.osdev.org/wiki/Bare_bones I'm a complete noob at this, so please don't assume I know all the terminology you guys do. I'd like to be able to boot the kernel shown in the tutorial in either Bochs or QEMU. How would I go about this?
[22:21] <Burgundavia> theunixgeek: this is also not the correct place to ask
[22:21] <Burgundavia> I suggest you try to osdev mailing list or forums
[22:22] <theunixgeek> Burgundavia: sorry :(
[22:25] <Tailsfan> well, if anything I teach my family on how to use certain functions on a OC
[22:26] <Tailsfan> PC*
[22:26] <Tailsfan> I'm the computer nerd of my family
[22:26] <Burgundavia> family is a great target for adoption
[22:26] <Burgundavia> my brother was my first target
[22:26] <Tailsfan> If anything, I'm installing Edubuntu now so I can help people on the go
[22:40] <pmvalente> please, someone could helpme, I've install edubuntu server and used a thin cliente and evething works good, but my proble is how to put disk space limits to the users?
[22:41] <Burgundavia> pmvalente: quotas
[22:41] <pmvalente> yes I think so.
[22:48] <pmvalente>  please, someone could help me, I've install edubuntu server and used a thin client and evething works good, but my problem is how to put disk space limits to the users? "quotas"
[22:49] <mcfloppy_> yeah
[22:49] <mcfloppy_> i like penplotter ;)
[22:49] <mcfloppy_> cool stuff
[22:49] <mcfloppy_> and so nice outputs
[23:35] <davubunt1> Hello
[23:35] <Burgundavia> hello
[23:36] <davubunt1> I have some questions about edubuntu
[23:36] <pygi> shoot
[23:37] <davubunt1> I am in Nicaragua and I have a friend who would like to find out more about edubuntu because he is a very welthy philanthopist and he runs a group for kids
[23:37] <davubunt1> He has about 2400 kids who he feeds 4 nights per week
[23:37] <davubunt1> and he runss after school programs etc.
[23:37] <davubunt1> I have used ubuntu for a while but I'm no techie
[23:38] <davubunt1> He has about 15 machines set up with pirated windows at the moment
[23:38] <davubunt1> which he tries to educate kids on
[23:38] <davubunt1> He has all the usual problems with Windows
[23:38] <davubunt1> slow, viruses... you know the ones
[23:38] <davubunt1> He is willing to get thinstations in
[23:39] <davubunt1> Can you give me some useful links as to what sort of set up he should look at
[23:39] <davubunt1> I went to the download page but I'm not sure what to give him
[23:40] <davubunt1> Oh it is probably better if the info is available in Spanish too as his current sysadmin doesn't speak english
[23:41] <pygi> ohm :-/
[23:41] <pygi> not  a fun situation
[23:41] <pygi> I dont think edubuntu handbook is translated to spanish
[23:41] <davubunt1> It's fun for the potential
[23:41] <davubunt1> Hmm
[23:41] <davubunt1> He can probably get it translated
[23:41] <davubunt1> He is that sort of guy
[23:43] <davubunt1> If you can just give me links I will give them to him
[23:43] <davubunt1> Maybe I can find a local LUG who can help out
[23:44] <davubunt1> I know Free Software Magazine ran an article about thinstations in an educational environment but it is a bit old now
[23:45] <Burgundavia> pygi: given we have such a huge spanish community, it shouldn't be hard
[23:45] <davubunt1> Well as I said if it's not in Spanish I would not be surprised if he can get some of his volunteers to translate it and I will let him know he should upload it.
[23:45] <davubunt1> He is raising a new generation of kids here in Nicaragua
[23:47] <davubunt1> I can search the net but I thought you guys might be able to offer me the best links off the bat.
[23:47] <davubunt1> And this is a very worthy cause
[23:47] <davubunt1> I know if I search I will find Ubuntu oriented articles primarily
[23:48] <pygi> well, Burgundavia, you instruct davubunt1 then :)
[23:50] <davubunt1> I would have gone to the Spanish community first but I don't speak spanish very well.
[23:50] <davubunt1> :)
[23:50] <davubunt1> I just need some links to get the sys admin started and I need to know what CD to start her off with.
[23:54] <davubunt1> Okay...?
[23:54] <davubunt1> I guess I'll try elsewhere... thanks anyway
[23:57] <davubunt1> .join #ubuntu


[09:55] <sense> good morning
[10:00] <kenvandine> good morning sense
[10:18] <sense> bratsche: You're looking after Application Indicators while Ted is on holiday? Does that also include merge requests? C10uD and I worked yesterday on implementing icon theme path changes and I filed a merge request for it, but I was wondering whether anyone will look at it for the next few days. I would be happy if the change -- when accepted -- could land before Alpha 3 because I do think that such important changes to the library need to be tested we
[10:18] <sense> ll enough.
[10:19] <sense> https://code.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-application/trunk/+activereviews
[10:19] <sense> whoops, wrong lnk
[10:19] <sense> https://code.launchpad.net/~c10ud/indicator-application/runtime-themepath-change/+merge/30695
[10:20] <klattimer> sense can i have a look at this too
[10:20] <bratsche> Yeah, I can take a look at it.  I'm in the middle of debugging some X crashiness first though, so it may be awhile before I look at it.
[10:20] <klattimer> it might touch something that I'm currently writing a patch for
[10:20] <bratsche> Awesome
[10:20] <bratsche> Thanks klattimer!
[10:20] <sense> klattimer, bratsche: OK, that would be great!
[10:20] <klattimer> sense: can I find a diff?
[10:20] <klattimer> I just want to know what's differend ;)
[10:21] <sense> https://code.launchpad.net/~c10ud/indicator-application/runtime-themepath-change/+merge/30695
[10:21] <klattimer> ah missed that ;)
[10:22] <klattimer> appears to avoid completely what I'm doing
[10:22] <klattimer> so I have no objections
[10:22] <sense> bratsche: The changes do touch the KDE spec XML file to add a new signal there. How bad is that?
[10:22] <sense> good
[10:22] <sense> klattimer: Are you working on submenu related isues?
[10:26] <klattimer> sense: no, getting absolute paths to render icons
[10:26] <klattimer> for ibus
[10:27] <sense> ah, something long requested, but always refused
[10:30] <klattimer> sense: I'm hiding the API away
[10:30] <klattimer> no sense publicising it
[10:31] <sense> ok
[10:31] <sense> We don't want every app to use fancy custom icons.
[10:36] <klattimer> ibus menus stopped responding... sudden random heisenbugs :/
[10:39] <sense> You mean that it doesn't react to activate events anymore? I'm having the same issue with my work on making later added submenus work.
[10:40] <klattimer> :/
[10:40] <klattimer> is there a bug filed?
[10:42] <sense> I'm not sure what causes it, so I haven't filed a bug. It may be my own fault. I get some complaints, so it seems, that some pointer is not a valid GtkMenuItem.
[10:42] <sense> There is a bug for the submenu thing, if you wanted to know that.
[10:55] <klattimer> sense it's just not responding to activate events
[10:55] <klattimer> and therefore I can't change the icon, and therefore unable to test my patch :(
[10:55] <klattimer> really irritating
[10:56] <klattimer> but the other indicators work fine
[10:56] <klattimer> :/
[10:56] <sense> klattimer: Great... I'll try to look into my activation issues to see what's causing it, maybe it will help you too.
[10:56] <sense> klattimer: Maybe something wrong in the declaration of the menu?
[10:56] <klattimer> not sure yet
[10:57] <klattimer> I'll have to look inside of the indicator applet itself
[10:57] <klattimer> so far I've only tried testing changes to libindicator
[11:06] <sense> klattimer: I'm afraid PyGTK is somewhat broken on Maverick, maybe that's causing problems.
[11:06] <sense> >>> menu = gtk.Menu()
[11:06] <sense> __main__:1: Warning: invalid (NULL) pointer instance
[11:06] <sense> __main__:1: Warning: g_signal_connect_data: assertion `G_TYPE_CHECK_INSTANCE (instance)' failed
[11:06] <sense> Example ^^
[11:07] <sense> bratsche: Do you know of any recent update that might have done this to PyGTK?
[11:11] <klattimer> :(
[11:11] <klattimer> is this pygi related perhaps?
[11:12] <sense> I thought we weren't going to use that this release yet. (PyGI has been integrated into GObject/GLib and the separate package isn't necessary anymore in Maverick, though.)
[11:13] <klattimer> k
[11:13] <klattimer> I don't know what's being used tbh
[11:13] <klattimer> so I'm just throwing out a suggestion ;)
[11:16] <sense> bratsche: Also, when importing gtk in Python you get deprecation warnings about "pygobject_register_sinkfunc".
[11:20] <dutchie> hey, i've said it before, but I was wondering about what to do about some sort of indicator to show the status of caps lock etc for keyboards that don't have LEDs
[11:20] <dutchie> i'd like to write it myself, but I don't really know where to begin
[11:21] <sense> dutchie: You need to have something running in the background that periodically checks and updates the indicator. You could check the code examples at <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators> for code to start with.
[11:21] <dutchie> i'm reading that now
[11:21] <dutchie> so i should create a non-gui program with an application indicator?
[11:21] <dutchie> and not find a system indicator to hook in to?
[11:22] <sense> That could be a better solution, but I'm not sure you can dynamically extend stuff, you'll probably have to write a patch for the Keyboard Indicator.
[11:22] <klattimer> dutchie: you may as well just write a small python app to create the indicator
[11:22] <dutchie> yeah, that's what I was thinking of
[11:22] <sense> mpt: What would you think of an optional Caps Lock status indicator in the Keyboard Indicator?
[11:29] <klattimer> bratsche: pygtk is teh bork
[11:29] <klattimer> :(
[11:29] <bratsche> Maybe this will convince people to stop using fucking Python. ;)
[11:29]  * bratsche radiates hate
[11:29] <bratsche> :)
[11:29] <klattimer> don't slate the snake
[11:36] <klattimer> hmm, something isn't quite making sense anymore
[11:36] <klattimer> the status icon can't load the image file
[11:36] <klattimer> ... nothing changed in the status icon
[11:36] <sense> Is iBus using Python?
[11:36] <klattimer> I think pygtk has gone on holiday or something
[11:36] <klattimer> sense: the applet does
[11:36] <sense> Yeah, so it seems.
[11:37] <sense> Something broke it. Maybe it needs to be rebuilt against libgtk+2.0?
[11:38] <klattimer> sense menus work on the status icon variety of ibus, so I don't think it's necessarily the menu
[11:38] <klattimer> i think it's probably dbus menus for the indicators which are mostly broken
[11:38] <klattimer> but pygtk has other issues too
[11:38] <mpt> sense, interesting, but I think it would be more effective inside fields where it would help. For example, in password fields.
[11:38] <klattimer> lets see what magical updates come today
[11:38] <mpt> hi klattimer
[11:38] <seb128> gtk didn't change recently neither did pygtk
[11:39] <sense> dutchie: ^^
[11:39] <klattimer> hi mpt
[11:39] <sense> seb128: Then why would it suddenly start not working?
[11:39] <klattimer> mpt I think sense was referring to the case stated that when there are no on-keyboard indicators
[11:39] <klattimer> which I think is a valid reasoning to have them visible always
[11:39] <klattimer> reminders in password fields for sure
[11:39] <klattimer> but it's difficult sometimes to spot if you've got a lock on
[11:40] <klattimer> even more so if theres no light :)
[11:40] <seb128> sense, do you use some cracky ppa?
[11:41] <sense> seb128: No, just regular Maverick GTK+.
[11:41] <sense> The strange thing is that the problems have only started yesterday evening or this morning, without any update.
[11:42] <klattimer> sense pretty much the same thing here
[11:42] <sense> seb128: apart from a new GTK+ release
[11:42] <hyperair> try restarting. ibus is full of transient errors.
[11:42] <klattimer> and ive also rebooted several times
[11:42] <hyperair> okay, so it's not so transient this time. =p
[11:42] <seb128> sense, gtk in maverick just changed the appmenu proxy code
[11:42] <sense> hyperair: it's not just iBus, it's also the code 'import gtk; menu = gtk.Menu()"
[11:42] <seb128> kenvandine, ^
[11:42] <sense> seb128: yes, I saw that. That's why I find it so strange.
[11:43] <seb128> brb
[11:43] <sense> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/467926/
[11:44]  * kenvandine looks
[11:44] <klattimer> sense: kenvandine running the above test here
[11:44] <klattimer> I get the same sinkfunc errors
[11:44] <klattimer> but don't get the menu error after menu = gtk.Menu()
[11:44] <sense> Those sinkfunc errors have been there for a long while, though.
[11:44] <kenvandine> no errors here
[11:44] <kenvandine> besides the sinkfunc errors
[11:44] <sense> Maybe I broke my installation somehow.
[11:44] <klattimer> sense have you tried updating again today?
[11:45] <sense> yes
[11:45] <klattimer> either way I'm not getting any response from the menu's in python
[11:45] <klattimer> but am in C
[11:45] <sense> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/467927/ is a longer piece of errors
[11:45] <sense> klattimer: You think it could be related to localisation?
[11:46] <kenvandine> sense, so are all appmenus broken for you?
[11:46] <klattimer> I couldn't say
[11:46] <sense> kenvandine: No, that's not the case, strangely.
[11:54] <kenvandine> sense, ok i thought maybe it was the python bindings
[11:55] <kenvandine> but i just tested that, worked fine here
[11:56] <sense> kenvandine: I'll do reïnstall, maybe I broke something.
[11:57] <klattimer> kenvandine: I'm definitely having a problem in that an activated signal emitted on a menu doesn't cause the callback to fire in python application indicators
[11:57] <klattimer> I just checked through the code, and it's definitely broken somewhere :/
[11:57] <kenvandine> klattimer, ok, let me try a simple test here
[11:58] <sense> kenvandine: Same thing here.
[11:58] <sense> but only in submenus
[11:58] <kenvandine> ok, i have a test
[11:58] <kenvandine> ah!
[11:59] <kenvandine> klattimer, in a submenu?
[12:00] <LucidFox> Hmm
[12:00] <LucidFox> Liferea upstream has offered me the possibility of joining the team so I could maintain indicator support there.
[12:01] <sense> kenvandine, klattimer: I am working on lp:~sense/indicator-application/submenu-later, but I think those changes should just work.
[12:01] <sense> LucidFox: Good news!
[12:05] <klattimer> kenvandine: well in the main ibus menu
[12:05] <klattimer> so not just submenus
[12:06] <sense> Here it is just the submenus of Deluge, nothing in the main menu.
[12:14] <kenvandine> sense, klattimer: well my test in python with submenus worked
[12:15] <klattimer> kenvandine: can you test ibus
[12:15]  * kenvandine is just glad to know the python bindings aren't broken
[12:15] <klattimer> the existing code should bork in the same way
[12:15] <kenvandine> klattimer, yeah, but after lunch
[12:15] <kenvandine> :)
[12:15] <kenvandine> bbiab
[13:07] <kenvandine> klattimer, ok, which package are you working on?
[13:08] <klattimer> ibus-gtk
[13:47] <klattimer> kenvandine: any luck reproducing?
[13:48] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:48] <klattimer> diagnosis?
[13:48] <kenvandine> trying to figure out how to run this locally
[13:48] <kenvandine> to debug
[13:49] <klattimer> run what?
[13:49] <klattimer> ibus
[13:49] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:49] <klattimer> or the applet?
[13:49] <kenvandine> the applet
[13:49] <klattimer> ah
[13:49] <kenvandine> got tips to save me time?
[13:49] <klattimer> /usr/lib/indicator-applet/indicator-applet in a terminal
[13:49] <klattimer> then add it to the panel
[13:49] <klattimer> the output will appear in the terminal
[13:49] <kenvandine> oh... not that part
[13:49] <klattimer> then run ibus-daemon
[13:49] <kenvandine> the ibus indicator iteself
[13:50] <kenvandine> i have the applet... but i want ibus-daemon to run from my checkout
[13:50] <kenvandine> not from the package
[13:50] <klattimer> oh
[13:50] <klattimer> cant you just package it, install it and run it
[13:50] <klattimer> that's what I do
[13:50] <kenvandine> running ./bus/ibus-daemon gets all the python imports from the installed version
[13:50] <kenvandine> i want to modify it in my checkout and run it locally
[13:50] <kenvandine> and ideally even run it in a debugger
[13:51] <kenvandine> it isn't obvious how to run it... setting the PYTHONPATH seems to get ignored
[13:51] <klattimer> :/
[13:51] <kenvandine> well, maybe it is working
[13:51] <kenvandine> well... working meaning running the code i think it is
[13:52] <kenvandine> ah, ok...
[13:52] <kenvandine> it is getting my PYTHONPATH
[13:52] <kenvandine> now to figure out why it doesn't get signals
[14:10] <klattimer> kenvandine: let me know if you have any luck, this is blocking me now
[14:10] <klattimer> i have a patch ready, I think but can't test it
[14:10] <kenvandine> klattimer, i think it has nothing to do with appindicator
[14:11] <kenvandine> the fallback doesn't get activate either
[14:11] <klattimer> dbusmenu?
[14:11] <kenvandine> this thing is pretty crazy... very complex setup for a few dynamic menus
[14:11] <kenvandine> no... in ibus-gtk
[14:11] <kenvandine> so i got rid of the import appindicator
[14:12] <kenvandine> so it goes in the notification area instead of indicator-applet
[14:12] <klattimer> and?
[14:12] <klattimer> for me in the notification area the menu's worked
[14:12] <kenvandine> and the menu from the StatusIcon doesn't send the event either
[14:12] <klattimer> oh dear
[14:12] <klattimer> we've got ourselves a nasty one here
[14:13] <klattimer> :/
[14:17] <kenvandine> klattimer, yeah i removed that appindicator patch from the package completely and it still doesn't work
[14:18] <kenvandine> oh... damn
[14:18] <kenvandine> they do work from the package without the patch
[14:18] <kenvandine> but not when i run ibus-daemon from the source directory
[14:18] <kenvandine> klattimer, i don't think this is a problem coming from dbusmenu or appindicator
[14:19] <kenvandine> just the patch needs work
[14:19] <kenvandine> somehow we aren't wired in right
[14:19] <kenvandine> to get the signals
[14:19] <kenvandine> might be that we set_enabled somewhere to the wrong thing and it never even emits the signal
[14:23] <kenvandine> klattimer, look at the code in language.py with our patch applied
[14:24] <kenvandine> all the stuff that emits the signals
[14:24] <klattimer> ?
[14:24] <kenvandine> i bet there is something simple in there that is causing the problem... and of course the code is overly complex for what it does
[14:25] <kenvandine> ui/gtk/languagebar.py
[14:25] <kenvandine> that seems to be where it emits those signals
[14:25] <klattimer> ok
[14:25] <klattimer> I'll take a look
[14:25] <kenvandine>         self.__about_button.connect("clicked", self.__about_button_clicked_cb)
[14:26] <kenvandine> so on clicked, it calls self.__about_button_clicked_cb
[14:26] <kenvandine> and in that method, it emits the signal
[14:26] <kenvandine> actually, self.__about_button_clicked_cb isn't even getting called
[14:27] <klattimer> yeah
[14:27] <klattimer> the signals aren't called at all
[14:27] <klattimer> they're just never emitted
[14:27] <kenvandine> i was thinking the stock signals might be getting there, but the ones added aren't emitted
[14:27] <kenvandine> but yeah, we aren't even getting those
[14:28] <klattimer> looks like pygtk
[14:28] <klattimer> dont you think?
[14:28] <kenvandine> ok, well i have a suspicion
[14:28] <kenvandine> it's dbusmenu
[14:28] <klattimer> heh, I thought that earlier
[14:29] <kenvandine> the menu items are ToolButtons
[14:29] <kenvandine> wait... maybe languagebar.py is ignored in our case
[14:35] <kenvandine> klattimer, well i don't know enough about dbusmenu, but my suspicion is these menu items are made up of ToolButtons
[14:35] <kenvandine> and maybe the signals that ToolButtons use aren't being handled via dbusmenu
[14:36] <kenvandine> i could be way off, this code is a mess
[14:39] <klattimer> :/
[14:39] <klattimer> i'll poke around a bit more
[14:42] <klattimer> kenvandine: the ToolButton isn't used in the menu
[14:42] <kenvandine> ok
[14:42] <klattimer> just straight forward ImageMenuItems and MenuItems
[14:44] <klattimer> from what I can see it's a bog standard MenuItem/ImageMenuItem which hooks its activate signal into a few callbacks
[14:44] <klattimer> the callbacks never get called
[14:44] <klattimer> that means it must be gobject/gtk bindings level
[14:44] <klattimer> surely
[14:45] <klattimer> !
[14:46] <klattimer> or possibly dbusmenu not emitting the signals back to the indicator correctly
[14:46] <klattimer> either is possible I suppose
[15:06] <kenvandine> klattimer, ok... so it isn't pygtk or dbusmenu
[15:06] <kenvandine> i put a break point in panel.py, in the __create_im_menu method
[15:07] <kenvandine> at the end of the method, right before "return menu"
[15:07] <kenvandine> if i do a menu.show() right there, but not let the program continue
[15:07] <kenvandine> it sends the right signal when you click on the menu items
[15:08] <kenvandine> but if i let it continue, and return menu
[15:08] <kenvandine> it gets hosed
[15:08] <kenvandine> so i think it isn't that the signal isn't getting emitted, but the menu items aren't connected to them anymore
[15:08] <kenvandine> klattimer, so i hope that helps :)
[15:12] <klattimer> hmm
[15:12] <klattimer> that's bizarre
[15:32] <klattimer> well I've written a python indicator test case
[15:32] <klattimer> and the activated signal is fired in that
[15:33] <klattimer> this is a problem with ibus :/
[15:33] <klattimer> *shit*
[15:41] <klattimer> kenvandine: I think I found the problem ;)
[15:41] <klattimer> using menu.add instead of menu.append
[15:41] <klattimer> replacing all occurrences appears to fix it
[15:42] <klattimer> oh, no it doesn't
[15:42] <klattimer> :/
[15:42] <klattimer> it may have worked once just on it's own
[15:42] <klattimer> :/
[15:43] <klattimer> this bug has me beat :/
[15:47] <kenvandine> klattimer, something is making it lose the connect to that signal
[15:47] <kenvandine> i think the signal is still coming, but the widget isn't hooked up to it anymore
[15:47] <kenvandine> but i don't know why
[15:48] <kenvandine> i can make it work 100% of the time from in a debugger :)
[15:48] <kenvandine> once it returns the menu from the __create_im_menu method, it no longer listens for that signal
[15:48] <kenvandine> but as long as i am stopped there it gets it
[15:53] <klattimer> kenvandine: that makes no sense though
[15:53] <klattimer> as it needs to go on to add it to the indicator
[15:54] <kenvandine> no, it is already in the indicator there
[15:55] <kenvandine> i didn't go back far enough to see when it is getting added to the indicator
[15:55] <kenvandine> but i am seeing it there
[16:17] <klattimer> hmm, then surely it's a double add
[16:17] <klattimer> ;)
[16:17] <klattimer> I think
[16:19] <sense> ivanka: We still need more people for the trips during GUADEC if we want them all to continue. Are you, or is someone you know, interested in one of the things listed at <http://live.gnome.org/GUADEC/2010/Trips>?
[16:20] <klattimer> kenvandine: how could it already be added, menu is created in __create_im_menu
[16:20] <klattimer> and it doesn't add the menu to the indicator
[16:22] <kenvandine> must be added somewhere else then...
[16:23] <klattimer> nope
[16:23] <klattimer> only in __appindicator_update_menu
[16:23] <klattimer> after __create_im_menu os called and the menu is created
[16:23] <klattimer> then other items are appended to the menu, and it's set
[16:23] <kenvandine> well, if i stop it there with a break point and do a menu.show()
[16:24] <klattimer> so I can't see how not returning the menu can fix it
[16:24] <kenvandine> it starts getting the signals
[16:24] <klattimer> hmm
[16:24] <kenvandine> it doesn't fix it...
[16:24] <klattimer> maybe we need to show the menu
[16:24] <kenvandine> i can only make it work if i stop it with a breakpoint
[16:24] <klattimer> or the menu items before returning
[16:24] <kenvandine> no... i added it there
[16:24] <kenvandine> if you let it past that point, even with showing the menu
[16:24] <kenvandine> it doesn't get the signals
[16:24] <kenvandine> something happens to it after that
[16:24] <kenvandine> maybe it gets created a second time
[16:25] <kenvandine> and the second one isn't connected
[16:25] <kenvandine> brb
[16:52] <klattimer> kenvandine: I fixed it
[16:52] <klattimer> you need to call show on each menu item before adding it to the menu
[16:52] <klattimer> then the signals seem to stay attached
[17:03] <sense> ah!
[17:04] <sense> klattimer: In that case this occurs in libappindicator. I know there is somewhere a check for visible menuitems.
[17:45] <kelelsai> Hi, I'm looking to get involved in Ubuntu development. Your website said Papercuts is a great place to start.
[17:45] <kelelsai> I was wondering what I needed to do to get started with this group>
[17:45] <kelelsai> ?
[17:46] <hyperair> bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts
[17:47] <daker> kelelsai, you should talk to vish
[17:47] <kelelsai> thanks!
[17:47] <kelelsai> I'm registering at the link provided and will talk with vish
[21:19] <kelelsai> im a little confused. If I'm working on fixing bugs do I need to be packaging everything up?
[21:19] <kelelsai> or is there a different team that does that?
[21:19] <kelelsai> it doesn't matter to me either way. Just curious
[21:20] <hyperair> if you can stick a debdiff to the bug, it's better.
[21:20] <kelelsai> ok, thanks
[21:20] <hyperair> otherwise someone else needs to drop by and stick a debdiff to the bug


[03:18] <seawolf> j #ubunutu-it
[09:43] <apachelogger> Quintasan: did you make a magic android UI for UDS app?
[09:54] <bambee> hi
[10:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I did not, since when I am responsible for that
[10:08] <Quintasan> What's more, since when I'm UI specialist? :O
[10:53] <apachelogger> Quintasan: am I?
[10:56] <Quintasan> apachelogger: No idea.
[10:56] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Is he? ^
[17:39] <apachelogger> !find 7z
[18:10] <yofel> anything we can do about bug 856210 ? (except nuking libreoffice-kde)
[21:12] <CIA-130> [qapt] Jonathan Thomas<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (changelog libqapt1.install libqapt1.symbols) New upstream bugfix release


[08:10] <ealm> will I be able tp dist-upgrade to the final dapper when it arrives?
[08:11] <bkjones> I believe so, yes.
[08:11] <Petecakes> I burned the ISO at 40x, and got an installation error because I burned too fast...what would be the fastest possible burn speed that would avoid errors? 24x? 16x?
[08:11] <bkjones> Make sure you get an updated update-manager.
[08:11] <bkjones> ?!?!
[08:11] <hugo_> Petecakes: depends on the media you're using
[08:11] <bkjones> never heard of such a thing.
[08:11] <ealm> pete: I always burn installation cd:s in 4x
[08:11] <hugo_> ealm: that's bs! :p
[08:11] <ealm> updated update manager?
[08:11] <Petecakes> 4x? I suppose that would be safe, yeah.
[08:12] <bkjones> how does the cd know how fast it was burned? The data is there or not.
[08:12] <hugo_> updated package-manager
[08:12] <Petecakes> I'll try 4x then.
[08:12] <hugo_> bkjones: it burns more accurate in slower speeds
[08:12] <ealm> hugo_: happened to many times to me 16x burns fail, even 8x a few times, whereas 4x works
[08:12] <ealm> but it also depens on the quality of the burner of course
[08:12] <hugo_> ealm: I always burn everything on 40-48x
[08:12] <mart> and definitely slow speeds for audio players...
[08:12] <hugo_> ealm: and the cd's
[08:12] <bkjones> I've never heard of that. Anyone have links to info on why the hell that would ever be true?
[08:13] <bkjones> I burned mine on a 40x burner for my amd64 wkstation, and it was fine.
[08:13] <ealm> it isnt possible to format in reiser4 in dapper installation, is it?
[08:13] <hugo_> bkjones: why would you want to be able to configure speeds if it's TOTALLY unecassay?
[08:13] <hugo_> unecassary
[08:13] <bkjones> unnecessary
[08:13] <bkjones> ;-)
[08:13] <bkjones> configure speeds?
[08:13] <hugo_> yes :
[08:14] <ealm> pete: well... if it didnt work at 40x I suggest you try an overly low speed like 4x
[08:14] <bkjones> I don't want to configure speeds.
[08:14] <hugo_> bkjones: but some people do :P
[08:14] <bkjones> I just don't understand the technicalities involved in that whole scenario.
[08:14] <bkjones> what's the sense of having a 40x burner if it produces coasters?
[08:14] <hugo_> maybe someone can tell me why I can't find anything on the dvd after i burn it?
[08:15] <hugo_> I have tried several times, and you can see on the disc that there is data on it
[08:15] <Petecakes> ealm; I'm burning it at 4x just now
[08:16] <bkjones> so what application gave the error regarding the too-high-speed burning?
[08:17] <mart> bkjones: you don't always get errors when you burn too fast
[08:17] <bkjones> then how do you know that's the problem?
[08:17] <mart> bkjones: when burning at slower speeds fixes the problem
[08:17] <Petecakes> Well, the error wasn't "You burn too fast - Slow down cowboy" or anything.
[08:18] <Petecakes> I think the error came when installing remaining packages or something.
[08:18] <hugo_> well.. burning at high speed again may fix it :P
[08:18] <Petecakes> It said something about an error, then suggested burning at a slower speed.
[08:18] <hugo_> Petecakes: it could be a broken md5sum
[08:18] <Petecakes> hugo_; I checked the md5s before I burned.
[08:19] <mart> It's not rocket science - it's just a chemical reaction during CD writing.  the longer you allow the reaction to take place, the more likely it is to be effective.
[08:19] <Petecakes> well, that's it burned at 4x.
[08:19] <Petecakes> Time to go try it out :)
[08:20] <bkjones> wtf? The md5sum matched, but it still gave errors?
[08:20] <hugo_> BECAUSE he wrote the cd at high speed
[08:20] <hugo_> that again resulted in a error on the cd
[08:21] <bkjones> but an error on the cd should cause the md5 to mismatch.
[08:22] <hugo_> he checked the checksum on the file before i burned
[08:22] <hugo_> prolly an ISO
[08:22] <bkjones> I'm not arguing - I just have never heard of this.
[08:22] <nalioth> bkjones: it doesn't seem to work like that
[08:22] <bkjones> this is so odd.
[08:22] <nalioth> bkjones: ubuntu iso images have always had problems if burnt at high speeds
[08:22] <hugo_> I've never had a problem with it
[08:23] <bkjones> nalioth: well, I know how md5 works. If a single bit is different, the sums don't match.
[08:23] <nalioth> bkjones: i don't think it's an md5 thing, but it is an odd thing
[08:23] <bkjones> yeah, weird.
[08:23] <mart> um, which md5 are we talking about?
[08:24] <hugo_> I have a even odder problem
[08:24] <nalioth> and we've seen it fixed with a slow cd roast every time
[08:24] <hugo_> I have burned several data-dvd's, but when i try to load them in my dvd-rom afterwards it can't find anything
[08:24] <hugo_> just empty
[08:31] <evox> Hello?
[08:31] <evox> I need help installing Themes for KDE
[08:31] <evox> I have everything finally set up but I would like different themes
[08:31] <nalioth> ubotu: tell evox about kdethemes
[08:33] <evox> ok that helped somewhat
[08:38] <evox> Something is wrong with my clock
[08:38] <MenZa> indeed?
[08:38] <evox> It wont let me change the time
[08:38] <evox> I click it and go to Change Date and Time
[08:38] <evox> and it asks me for my PAss and I give it to em
[08:38] <evox> and it wont do anything after that
[08:39] <mart> evox: try it from K->System Settings->Date & Time
[08:40] <mart> (but setting it from the clock works here though)
[08:41] <evox> wth......
[08:41] <evox> I entered my password Exactly
[08:41] <evox> and its not accepting it
[08:41] <mart> argh, I can never remember this.... netmasks, a 10. network is <IP_ADDRESS>/8, or <IP_ADDRESS>/24?
[08:43] <ealm> how many packages are in the kubuntu repositories?
[08:43] <hugo_> many
[08:43] <evox> lots and lots
[08:43] <mart> shedloads, one might say
[08:43] <ealm> can you check how many?
[08:43] <mart> well, it depends which repos you are talking about
[08:44] <ealm> the official
[08:44] <mart> main? or main and universe?
[08:44] <mart> is multiverse official?
[08:44] <ealm> dunno what those are?
[08:44] <mart> I guess so
[08:44] <mart> well, you get widely different answers depending on which one you want.
[08:45] <ealm> ok.. how many packages are in the "recommended", "known to work", "semi-offical", "typical set up" repositories? ;)
[08:45] <hugo_> thousands
[08:45] <mart> tens thereof
[08:45] <ealm> tens of thousands
[08:45] <hugo_> maybe hundred
[08:45] <ealm> ok, sounds good
[08:45] <hugo_> there is enough packages xD
[08:45] <nalioth> universe and multiverse are official, although not supported to some extent
[08:45] <mijndert> Hi. Little question here. I want to buy an external harddisk (usb2) and using kubuntu 5.10. When i put the harddisk in the USB2 port, will it be auto mounted? :)
[08:45] <nalioth> there are over 17,000 pkgs in the repos
[08:46] <ealm> I don't think debians sid repositories are enough... and iirc they come with around 15.000 packages
[08:46] <henryson> mijndert your motherboard must support boot over usb...
[08:46] <hugo_> no!
[08:46] <ealm> ..but that could also be due to worse priority in packages
[08:46] <hugo_> that is only if he want to boot from it
[08:47] <mijndert> henryson, it does. But does that have anything to with with auto mounting USB devices? :x
[08:47] <mart> good grief - what could anyone want that's not in debian?
[08:47] <henryson> oh, sorry, misread your question, thought you asked if you could boot from it... yes, it is automounted
[08:47] <hugo_> hehe
[08:48] <mijndert> Ok, thanks :)
[08:48] <hugo_> didn't find my creative webcam though
[08:48] <mijndert> btw, my usb mp3 player died heh. when i try to cp some music to it, the device hangs =)
[08:48] <hugo_> and you're still smiling :
[08:49] <mijndert> yeah, it was a cheap ass thingy :P
[08:49] <hugo_> hah :
[08:50] <mijndert> hugo_, i have a creative webcam too. after installing to spca5xx drivers it worked
[08:50] <JohnFlux> mijndert: you could reformat it
[08:50] <JohnFlux> mijndert: mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1  or whatever it's mount point is (DON'T DO THIS IF YOU HAVE A SCSI DRIVE!!)
[08:50] <dipnlik> mijndert: if you reformat it, remember: fat, not fat32!
[08:51] <mijndert> I already did that twice :P
[08:51] <dipnlik> LOL
[08:51] <JohnFlux> dipnlik: fat16?
[08:51] <mart> careful - my IDE SATA drive shows up as scsi...
[08:51] <dipnlik> JohnFlux: yeah
[08:51] <dipnlik> JohnFlux: doesn't work if you format it as fat32
[08:52] <mijndert> JohnFlux, the device even crashes when i try to umount it now :P
[08:52] <evox> NEED HELP! For some reason My panel Dissappeared and IDK how to get it back
[08:53] <evox> How do I get it back?
[08:53] <evox> Anyone?
[08:54] <ftg2> if you have a console open, just run klipper. it doesn't come back if you log out / back in
[08:54] <ftg2> ?
[08:54] <evox> Well I havnt tried it
[08:54] <evox> Because it just happened
[08:54] <evox> and I had to right click and choose run command
[08:54] <mart> ftg2: you mean kicker
[08:55] <evox> and typed Konversation
[08:55] <evox> and here I am
[08:55] <ftg2> mart: yeah. bad typo to make
[08:55] <ftg2> mart: thinking of something else atm
[08:55] <evox> Ok so log out and back in?
[08:55] <evox> then try kicker?
[08:56] <ftg2> evox: logging out / back in should reload it.. just running kicker should reload it without having logging out
[09:01] <Av|XeN> i'm having problems with multiple audio sources at the same time
[09:01] <Av|XeN> i have onboard sound
[09:01] <Av|XeN> and i've tried a few guides from the forums
[09:01] <Av|XeN> didn't work out
[09:01] <Av|XeN> think the best solution is to buy an PCI soundcard
[09:05] <Riddell> kubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[09:14] <Tsukihime> anyone knows how to repair the "/dev/dsp device is busy"??
[09:21] <Av|XeN> is it possible that kubuntu can use multiple audio sources at the same time on onboard sound (i've tried a few guides)
[09:21] <robotgeek> Av|XeN: not much of a sound guru, sorry. maybe look in the wiki
[09:21] <robotgeek> ubotu tell Av|XeN about sound
[09:22] <EvilIdler> Kubuntu's System Settings window is fairly unuable to me - the window opens too small to show all buttons, and refreshing doesn't refresh contents.
[09:22] <evox> ok
[09:22] <evox> Now I still cant set my clock
[09:22] <EvilIdler> Resizing not refreshing, even
[09:22] <evox> I enter my pass
[09:22] <evox> but it wont let me
[09:22] <robotgeek> EvilIdler, use alt + f2, type "kcontrol" in the text box, and hit the <enter> key
[09:23] <EvilIdler> Cheers, much better :)
[09:24] <evox> When I enter my pass to change the time on the clock it lets me enter my pass but then just goes away and doesnt do anything
[09:25] <evox> any possible help?
[09:30] <janeri> how do I make ssh-askpass run at boot to pick up my ssh passphrase?
[09:31] <noteventime> !xlibs
[09:31] <ubotu> methinks xlibs is at http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/xlibs  For Dapper add the Breazy Badger repository and then "sudo apt-get install xlibs" this will install xlibs and will work!
[09:36] <zielony> How can I upload whole folder to a server, using console 'ftp' ?
[09:37] <nalioth> zielony: use scp, if possible
[09:38] <zielony> Unfortunetly(?) I have to send it from ssh, and I can`t install anything there
[09:38] <nalioth> zielony: your server doesnt have ssh enabled?
[09:39] <zielony> I have ssh account, and I have to send whole folder from it (ssh). To my ftp server
[09:45] <arat> hi
[09:45] <arat> any one herE?
[09:47] <arat> hi
[09:47] <frank23> hi
[09:47] <arat> any one can help me?
[09:47] <Hobbsee> !+anyone
[09:47] <ubotu> probably 90% of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? <hint>
[09:47] <arat> i downloaded mozilla firefox and then how do i install it
[09:48] <frank23> arat: you can install firefox 1.07 with synaptics easily
[09:48] <frank23> !ff1.5
[09:48] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[09:48] <frank23> arat: well synaptics or adept in kde ;)
[09:50] <arat> whats adept
[09:50] <mcscruff> a gui for apt-get
[09:50] <arat> im new in linux
[09:50] <arat> im used to windows
[09:50] <frank23> arat: adept is a program that can install programs in ubuntu. there are like 15000 packages available
[09:50] <Hobbsee> !adept
[09:50] <frank23> !adept
[09:50] <ubotu> well, adept is a package manager for Kubuntu. A howto is provided here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[09:51] <mcscruff> !sex
[09:51] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, mcscruff
[09:51] <arat> how do you get to it
[09:51] <frank23> arat: it's in the system menu
[09:51] <mcscruff> click the K menu then system
[09:51] <frank23> K->System
[09:51] <mcscruff> !mcscruff
[09:51] <ubotu> mcscruff: I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:51] <arat> oh
[09:51] <mcscruff> !aircrack
[09:51] <ubotu> mcscruff: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:51] <frank23> arat: also you will want to enable universe and multiverse to get access to everything.
[09:52] <frank23> !sources
[09:52] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[09:59] <arat> ok i downloaded a install now what
[10:00] <frank23> arat: you installed firefox? it should be in the menu now
[10:00] <arat> ?
[10:00] <arat> no
[10:00] <arat> omg
[10:00] <arat> im going back to windows.............
[10:00] <frank23> arat: why?
[10:01] <arat> this is confusing
[10:01] <arat> ok i downloaded gaim
[10:01] <arat> now what
[10:01] <frank23> arat: well it takes a while to learn.
[10:01] <arat> i saved the rpm to the home folder
[10:01] <arat> now what
[10:01] <frank23> arat: no no no ;)   install gaim with adept
[10:01] <arat> ...........
[10:01] <Tm_T> what? rpm? gaim?
[10:01] <Tm_T> why not Kopete
[10:01] <arat> ?
[10:02] <arat> ???????????
[10:02] <arat> omg
[10:02] <arat> what file do i need
[10:02] <frank23> arat: I told you there are 1000s of programs in adept. You don't have to go running around the web for them
[10:02] <arat> well i don't give a shizznet what i download
[10:02] <tchize> hi, my kaffeine refuses to start, it says 'gstreamer registry not found, did you forget to run gst-register as root after install?' and then crash. Any idea how to solve?
[10:03] <ftg2> arat: anything you download manually like that needs to be a deb, and an ubuntu deb at that.. do as frank23 suggests and use adept to find and install it
[10:03] <arat> ok
[10:03] <nalioth> tchize: have you done as it asks?
[10:04] <arat> i found something
[10:04] <tchize> asks?
[10:04] <arat> its kubuntu
[10:04] <arat> not ubunty
[10:04] <arat> ubuntu
[10:04] <tchize> there is no 'gst-register' in the system
[10:04] <frank23> tchize: I'm not sure about that. at any rate, I find kaffeine-xine works much better
[10:05] <Parkotron> tchize: I'd agree with frank23. Try kaffeine-xine.
[10:05] <arat> i need to find kismet
[10:06] <frank23> arat: kismet is also in adept
[10:06] <tchize> mm appart from a 'could not find gstreamer_part.desktop' error message, kaffeine-xine does start, thanks for info
[10:07] <ftg2> arat: they use the same repositories so yeah, it IS ubuntu :)
[10:07] <frank23> tchize: did you change the engine in kaffeine?
[10:07] <tchize> mmm
[10:07] <tchize> i remove kaffeine-gstreamer from my package list
[10:07] <frank23> tchize: ummm... that will uninstall kubuntu-desktop
[10:07] <frank23> tchize: not the best idea
[10:08] <tchize> it's already done, it didn"t complain
[10:08] <arat> how do i find kismet
[10:08] <arat> its not there
[10:08] <frank23> !sources
[10:08] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[10:08] <tchize> but it doens not seems to start any playback :/
[10:08] <frank23> arat: follow the instructions here to add universe and multivers
[10:08] <ftg2> frank32: isn't that a meta package? are there side effects removing those?
[10:09] <mornfall> have you people tried out adept from dapper?
[10:09] <arat> ?????????????
[10:09] <tchize> mm it seems kaffeine does not find the kaffeine-xine player, how do i configure it?
[10:09] <frank23> ftg2: not really. I don't know, I just always keep kubuntu-desktop installed
[10:10] <frank23> tchize: in the choose engine menu, choose kaffeine
[10:10] <arat> well then how do i manuly download kismet
[10:10] <tchize> where is the 'engine' menu?
[10:10] <Parkotron> tchize: Try running kbuildsycoca then restarting kaffeine.
[10:10] <frank23> arat: at the end of the http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto page there are instructions for adept
[10:11] <frank23> tchize: Settings->Player engine
[10:11] <tchize> ho ok
[10:11] <janeri> how do I make ssh-askpass run at boot to pick up my ssh passphrase?
[10:11] <tchize> i pity non technical user when the when to watch a movie :)
[10:12] <tchize> when they want to watch
[10:12] <frank23> tchize: I think kaffeine-xine should be the default. it was in hoary
[10:12] <tchize> lol
[10:12] <tchize> looks like very crashy application :)
[10:13] <frank23> tchize: what kaffeine?
[10:13] <tchize> yes
[10:14] <frank23> tchize: I find it very stable but I have the one that comes with kde 3.5.1
[10:14] <tchize> i never used it before, am used to xine and mplayer when i was on debian, 5 minutes convinced me never to use it
[10:14] <tchize> :)
[10:15] <arat> wth do i do
[10:15] <tchize> shouldn't it somehow remember my engine selection?
[10:15] <tchize> so that when i click on the movie it starts reading?
[10:16] <frank23> tchize: yeah the setting is remembered if you close kaffeine. if it crashes it forgets it ;)
[10:16] <arat> can you give me step by step on how to install kismet?
[10:16] <tchize> yes, jsut notices it hasn't been close properly since am playing with it :)
[10:16] <frank23> arat: did you try to follow http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto ?
[10:16] <arat> ya
[10:17] <arat> wtf do i do
[10:17] <tchize> (damn where is my sound)
[10:18] <arat> frank what do i do
[10:18] <frank23> arat: you see the lines with universe?
[10:18] <arat> ya
[10:18] <tchize> any idea where to select audio device in kaffeine
[10:18] <arat> wait no
[10:19] <frank23> arat: write multiverse next to universe
[10:19] <arat> ok yes
[10:19] <arat> do i enable
[10:19] <frank23> arat: yes enable
[10:20] <arat> both?
[10:20] <frank23> yes
[10:20] <arat> ok now what
[10:21] <arat> apply?
[10:21] <frank23> yeah apply
[10:21] <arat> ok
[10:21] <arat> close?
[10:21] <frank23> arat: next click fetch updates
[10:21] <tchize> mm obviously, mplayer not available wouldn't have been fun if it was
[10:21] <frank23> yeah close
[10:21] <tchize> :)
[10:21] <arat> okkkkk
[10:22] <arat> updated
[10:22] <frank23> arat: now the universe programs should be available (like kismet)
[10:22] <arat> but its not
[10:23] <frank23> arat: you clicked fetch updates?
[10:23] <arat> ya
[10:24] <arat> what do i doo
[10:24] <frank23> arat: go back to manage repositories and make sure you have a line like this  deb   us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu   breezy   universe multiverse
[10:24] <tchize> mmm nice 'file xyz uses an unsupported codec'  when trying to load a mpeg :)
[10:25] <frank23> arat: well http://(country).archive.ubun,,,,,
[10:25] <tchize> how do i get xine / kaffeine-xine to recognize mpeg2 layer 3 audio streams?
[10:25] <arat> yup
[10:26] <arat> its on
[10:26] <frank23> arat: and enabled
[10:26] <arat> yya
[10:26] <frank23> arat: apply, close, fetch updates
[10:26] <arat> well i did not close
[10:26] <arat> i just did updates
[10:27] <arat> ok i found it
[10:27] <frank23> arat: try closing first
[10:27] <arat> now what
[10:27] <arat> i found kismet
[10:27] <frank23> arat: great
[10:27] <arat> now what
[10:27] <arat> install package?
[10:28] <frank23> click kismet,  install package, preview changes, commit changes
[10:29] <arat> ok
[10:29] <arat> installed
[10:30] <arat> now what
[10:30] <frank23> arat: ok. you can install firefox the same way too if you want
[10:30] <arat> ya
[10:30] <arat> but i installed kismet now what
[10:30] <frank23> arat: now kismet might be in the menu. if not you'll have to open a konsole to open kismet
[10:31] <frank23> arat: most programs automatically get a link in the menu but some don't
[10:31] <arat> well this one is not in menu
[10:31] <arat> run command?
[10:31] <frank23> arat: yeah that should work
[10:32] <evox> Ok im back
[10:32] <arat> what do i type
[10:32] <evox> Any help on this clock problem?
[10:32] <arat> ok
[10:32] <tchize> lol
[10:32] <arat> hey evox
[10:32] <evox> What up arat
[10:32] <arat> nm
[10:32] <tchize> i cna't believe it, to get xine to read audio stream i have to install ... vlc :)
[10:32] <evox> Can I get some help with my clock?
[10:32] <evox> I click on it to adjust the time
[10:32] <evox> and it asks for my pass
[10:32] <arat> what do i tipe to run kismet
[10:32] <evox> and I get it to em
[10:33] <evox> then it wont do anything after that?/
[10:33] <arat> ya
[10:33] <arat> lol
[10:33] <frank23> arat: I'm not sure...
[10:33] <arat> ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
[10:33] <evox> is it installed?
[10:33] <evox> Then just right click and choose run command
[10:33] <evox> then type its name
[10:33] <tchize> evox: did you do right click on clock -> configure time an date?
[10:34] <evox> yes
[10:34] <arat> kismet
[10:34] <arat> i did
[10:34] <evox> and i went through system Settings
[10:35] <JohnFlux> How do I send a file via infrared?
[10:35] <cerebrix> nix novice here, looks like ive created dependency hell for myself on accident.  if someone wouldnt mind helpin me out please msg me, id really appreciate it.  thanks
[10:35] <arat> ii said run kismet but nothing happens
[10:35] <osh_> Anyone have a clue on why I can't erase my cdrw and burn the new dapper? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/606212
[10:35] <evox> just type in kismet
[10:35] <evox> not run kismet
[10:35] <arat> i did
[10:35] <evox> hurph
[10:35] <arat> i did tipe kismet
[10:36] <arat> but nothing happens
[10:36] <frank23> arat: I tried running it and I'm not sure how. you'll have to figure out how the program actually works
[10:36] <evox> I still cant get this damn clock to work
[10:37] <tchize> evox: what does happen when you type in konsole: '/usr/bin/kdesu --nonewdcop '/usr/bin/kcmshell kde-clock.desktop --lang en'
[10:37] <osh_> Hmm, annoying. It appears that I'm not in the right group or something. Doing it as root works...
[10:37] <arat> this is easy
[10:37] <arat> lmao
[10:38] <frank23> arat: type man kismet .  (and good luck ;)
[10:38] <arat> once i knoww how this ******** program works
[10:38] <_ubuntu> I'm haveing problems getting my ntfs hdd to mount using the kubuntu live cd...
[10:38] <_ubuntu> help?
[10:39] <arat> nothing
[10:39] <arat> but i did get firefox
[10:39] <visik7> how can I keep kontact open without kmail ?
[10:39] <frank23> arat: you will have to type  man kismet  in a konsole
[10:40] <TacoMan>  I'm having problems getting my ntfs hdd to mount using the kubuntu live cd...
[10:40] <evox> ok nothing happens
[10:40] <evox> It looks like this in console
[10:41] <evox> >[]
[10:41] <frank23> arat: I wouldn't be surprised if you need to disable networking in order to use the wireless card for sniffing
[10:41] <Petecakes> yay....after several hours of lazing about doing nothing, I went back to my PC to find that Kubuntu had been installed :D
[10:41] <evox> tchize did you get that?
[10:41] <Petecakes> Used it for less than five minutes and I've already fallen in love with it....I love how natural it feels.
[10:42] <arat> ok
[10:42] <arat> now what
[10:42] <arat> hey
[10:42] <tchize> evox: could it be dcop is already buzzy with something else?
[10:42] <evox> dcop?
[10:42] <jjesse> interesting discussion of automatix on slashdot :Z)
[10:42] <arat> frank
[10:42] <arat> ?
[10:43] <arat> i tiped it
[10:43] <evox> All I have open is Konquerer and Konversation and Kopete
[10:43] <arat> then i got a menu
[10:43] <evox> and Konsole
[10:43] <arat> like a dos thing
[10:43] <tchize> Petecakes: i didn't find the 'try to read this damn movie' natural, but for the rest of system, i agree :)
[10:43] <evox> Its called a Konsole
[10:43] <evox> lol
[10:43] <arat> how the fuck
[10:43] <arat> lol
[10:43] <arat> how did you slap me
[10:43] <frank23> arat: I don't know this program. And I didn't manage to figure it out so good luck
[10:43] <arat> lol
[10:44] <arat> LOL
[10:44] <evox> Any  Input Tchize?
[10:44] <tchize> evox: strange
[10:44] <arat> oh
[10:44] <tchize> :)
[10:44] <evox> lol
[10:44] <Riddell> Petecakes: excellent :)
[10:44] <ryanakca> anyone know of a euchre game for kubuntu?
[10:44] <evox> I know
[10:45] <evox> I cant figure it out for the life of me
[10:45] <tchize> evox: what about /usr/bin/kcmshell kde-clock.desktop  ?
[10:45] <cerebrix> nix novice here, looks like ive created dependency hell for myself on accident.  if someone wouldnt mind helpin me out please msg me, id really appreciate it.  thanks
[10:45] <frank23> jjesse: and here we always say:
[10:45] <frank23> !automatix
[10:45] <ubotu> somebody said automatix was unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'ynYn'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[10:46] <Petecakes> My first act as a Kubuntu user shall be to install Bluefish. :)
[10:46] <evox> Thats not what I mean Tchize
[10:46] <jjesse> frank23: i thought it was interesting that it was so far down the list of comments to not use it
[10:46] <TacoMan> does anyone know where i should look in tfm for mnt help? :)
[10:46] <evox> I can bring up the module from System config
[10:46] <evox> But once there its not letting me edit anything
[10:47] <palodequeso> Has anyone here run into trouble using ndiswrapper on a fresh install of flight 4 of dapper?
[10:47] <tchize> evox: is it the account that was created at install?
[10:47] <ryanakca> I know there's an easyUbuntu, but is there an easyKubuntu?
[10:47] <palodequeso> I can't seem to get it working, I've done it a million gazillion times.
[10:47] <TacoMan>  I'm haveing problems getting my ntfs hdd to mount using the kubuntu live cd...
[10:48] <evox> Check Msg tchize
[10:48] <evox> yes it is
[10:48] <evox> it is the account from install
[10:48] <osh_> Why do I get this and how can I fix it? /usr/bin/X11/cdrecord: Permission denied. Cannot open '/dev/sg0'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[10:48] <osh_> Other than running it as root I mean.
[10:49] <nalioth> ryanakca: there is easykubuntu, but it is not based on the current easyubuntu code. try easybreezy for now, instead
[10:50] <TacoMan> cn someoine plz help me?
[10:50] <arat> lol
[10:51] <arat> LOL
[10:51] <cerebrix> nix novice here, looks like ive created dependency hell for myself on accident.  if someone wouldnt mind helpin me out please msg me, id really appreciate it.  thanks
[10:51] <osh_> TacoMan: mount -t nfs /dev/hd(something) /mnt/ntfs-mountpoint
[10:51] <osh_> TacoMan: add sudo to that
[10:51] <TacoMan> thanks... I'll try it
[10:52] <ryanakca> nalioth: I dont think easybreezy works on dapper
[10:52] <TacoMan> sudu?
[10:52] <nalioth> ryanakca: it is not tested for dapper, no.
[10:52] <osh_> TacoMan: (something) is your ntfs partition and be sure to create the mountpoint.
[10:52] <osh_> TacoMan: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hd(something) /mnt/ntfs-mountpoint
[10:52] <nalioth> ryanakca: we'll have it ready for dapper, tho
[10:53] <ryanakca> nalioth: aye, ty
[10:53] <TacoMan> do i need to be root?
[10:53] <osh_> TacoMan: That's what the sudo's there for
[10:53] <TacoMan> ok
[10:53] <nalioth> TacoMan: there is no root account in kubuntu. use kdesu or sudo
[10:53] <nalioth> !kdesu
[10:53] <ubotu> Use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.   If it is not working, you may need to run "sudo adept-updater"
[10:53] <TacoMan> oh i remember now
[10:54] <ebel> So I installed ubuntu. Then I apt-get installed kubuntu(-desktop (can't remember)). *But* when I log in I get an error about the number of arguments to Xsession, and I get Gnome, not KDE. :(
[10:55] <ebel> I have no ~/.xsession or .xinit files.
[10:55] <mat___> kdm??
[10:55] <mat___> apt-get install kdm
[10:55] <TacoMan> is the mountpoint where I want the mnt folder to show up?eg /mnt/hda1/
[10:55] <ebel> Yep, KDM starts and I use it to log in.
[10:56] <dean> hi im running dapper but m having major trouble getting mp3 and xdiv stuff working :(  have followed the restricted codecs pages but found some of the stuff it tells me to get is not in the repositories (i do have the universe stuff enabled)
[10:56] <ebel> It's *after* I log in that I get this old school X11 error window.
[10:56] <dean> but for example when i try and play music through amarok it just says playlist finished withut even trying to play the fi
[10:57] <mat___> did you try the failsafe??
[10:57] <ebel> I think RedHat/Fedora has a 'switch-desktop' command to switch from gnome <-> kde. How does (k)ubuntu allow you to switch desktop environs?
[10:57] <dean> what amarok failsafe?
[10:57] <Kyral> ebel, logout login?
[10:57] <mat___> dean: sorry was talking to ebel
[10:58] <dean> hehe ok no worries
[10:58] <ebel> I've done that. I installed kubuntu ages ago.
[10:58] <TacoMan> what's a mountpoint?
[10:58] <ebel> mat___, I'll try that.
[10:58] <TacoMan> no time for me to rtfm.. srry
[10:58] <ebel> TacoMan, a mountpoint is a directory where you mount a file system.
[10:59] <TacoMan> so would it be in my mnt folder?
[10:59] <ebel> TacoMan, "is the mountpoint where I want the mnt folder to show up?eg /mnt/hda1/" Yes
[10:59] <TacoMan> do i need to create the directory beforehand?
[10:59] <ebel> TacoMan, Yep.
[11:00] <mat___> ebel: have you tried starting it from gdm
[11:01] <ebel> mat___, no not yet. I'm playing around with the login options.
[11:01] <mat___> ebel: ok try the failsafe option first what is is saying
[11:02] <TacoMan> can't figure out how to create folder from konqueror
[11:02] <ebel> mat___, same error "Xsession: unsupported number of arguments (2); falling back to default session"
[11:02] <ebel> It then loads GNOME.
[11:02] <mat___> TacoMan: sudo mkdir /mnt/diskblabla
[11:03] <TacoMan> thx
[11:03] <mat___> sudo mount /dev/hdaX /mnt/diskblabla
[11:03] <ryanakca> anyone know of a euchre game for kubuntu?
[11:04] <mat___> TacoMan: for a more pemanent option you will have to configure your fstab file
[11:04] <evox> Fstab is a bitch to edit for me
[11:05] <mat___> it's not too hard
[11:05] <TacoMan> conqueror: "You do not have enough permissions to read file:///mnt/hda1"
[11:05] <arat> ........................................
[11:05] <mat___> He Kubuntu should have an gui for harddic management!!
[11:05] <TacoMan> tried that
[11:06] <TacoMan> got nowhere...
[11:06] <noteventime> kubuntu has a gui for harddisk management, but i think its broken right now
[11:07] <TacoMan> conqueror: "You do not have enough permissions to read file:///mnt/hda1"[
[11:08] <mat___> TacoMan:  kdesu konqueror try with that
[11:08] <TacoMan> say what?
[11:09] <TacoMan> oh
[11:09] <TacoMan> shell cmd?
[11:09] <mat___> hit alt F2
[11:09] <tchize> TacoMan: alt-f2
[11:09] <mat___> kdesu konqueror
[11:10] <TacoMan> thanks
[11:10] <mat___> Anyone using an hauppage pvr 250 ??
[11:11] <tchize> welcome back evox
[11:11] <mat___> can't get ivtv working
[11:18] <dean> hi anyone know why akode-mpeg and libxine-extracodecs are not in the repositories?
[11:18] <DeBert> dean: i think they are, i have them installed
[11:19] <dean> there is a libakode-mpeg? will that e it?
[11:19] <DeBert> u use dapper?
[11:19] <dean> yes
[11:19] <DeBert> u have all the repos enabled?
[11:19] <dean> yes even the universe and multiverse ones
[11:20] <mat___> dean:  it's also slectable here
[11:21] <DeBert> dean: i have libxine-extracodecs in front of me now, it's in multiverse
[11:21] <dean> the only rep i dont have on are the sercurity universe ones
[11:21] <cerebrix> nix novice here, looks like ive created dependency hell for myself on accident.  if someone wouldnt mind helpin me out please msg me, id really appreciate it.  thanks
[11:21] <arat> hi
[11:22] <DeBert> cerebrix: what's your problem?
[11:22] <mat___> cerebrix: sudo ap-get update
[11:22] <dean> hmmm i still dont see it :( could you please paste me the line for your universe rep please just to make sure
[11:23] <tchize> bye all
[11:23] <DeBert> dean: deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse
[11:23] <mat___> dean do you also have backports enabled?
[11:24] <user_> I installed kubuntu 6.04 and the sound works but when i want to listen music with amarok, the sound doesn't work! why?
[11:24] <DeBert> no need for that
[11:24] <dean> yes
[11:24] <DeBert> i haven't either
[11:24] <mat___> user_: you prob don't have the right codecs
[11:25] <mat___> user_:  are they mp3??
[11:25] <user_> yes
[11:26] <user_> what are the right codecs?
[11:27] <ebel> user_, there are many ways to store music on computers. Each one is a codec.
[11:28] <arat> wat command do i use to run kismet
[11:28] <dean> really sorry DeBert it seems i was being retarted and didnt have that one :(
[11:28] <DeBert> same as dean wants, the libxine-extracodecs
[11:28] <ftg2> user_: try sudo apt-get install libmad0
[11:28] <ebel> user_, MP3 is a popular codec, but for some legal reasons it's not normally included with a lot of linux distributions.
[11:28] <mat___> user_:  read this http://www.ubuntux.org/mp3-support-for-amarok
[11:29] <ebel> user_, so your computer can't understand how to read those files.
[11:29] <dean> still dont see akode-mpeg thou ( has that been updated to libakode2-mpeg for dapper?
[11:30] <arat> ?
[11:31] <DeBert> user_: amarok uses xine in dapper user, so do "sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs"
[11:33] <user_> i can't find gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:34] <user_> and there is also no in version 0.10
[11:35] <DeBert> user_: amarok uses xine in dapper user, so do "sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs"
[11:35] <mat___> search for mad
[11:36] <DeBert> Don't listen to mat___ :)
[11:36] <arat> what command do i use to open kismet?
[11:36] <mat___> DeBert:  hihi
[11:37] <dean> yay mp3 is workng now thanks DeBert for pointing out my utterly stupid mistake
[11:38] <arat> omb
[11:38] <arat> omg
[11:38] <arat> answer my question
[11:39] <arat> what command do i use to open kismet??
[11:39] <DeBert> arat: if somebody knew or was listening, he/she would have told you
[11:39] <arat> ??????????????????????????????
[11:39] <DeBert> arat: i try to help as much as i can, but i don't know everything...far from it
[11:40] <dean> k my next annoying question now :D im using ktorrent and trying to save the torrent to a fat32 drive and i get an error ying the files can not be created :(
[11:40] <mat___> arat: Run ``kismet''.  You may need to start Kismet as root.
[11:41] <dean> i have already altered fstab so the drive is mounted with full access to all
[11:41] <DeBert> dean: i think that's cause the filesystem is mounted read only
[11:41] <DeBert> dean: lol
[11:41] <ebel> dean, is it more than 2GB? AFAIK fat32 can't handle files over 2GB.
[11:41] <dean> hehehe
[11:41] <dean> well the torrent is over 2gig but its seperte files
[11:42] <arat> ?
[11:42] <arat> what
[11:42] <arat> step by step please
[11:43] <mat___> arat: http://www.kismetwireless.net/documentation.shtml
[11:43] <mat___> arat what do you want to do?
[11:44] <user_> DeBert: i cant find this codec
[11:44] <DeBert> user_: have you enabled universe and multiverse?
[11:45] <arat> open kismet
[11:46] <user_> yes
[11:46] <arat> how do i run as root
[11:46] <dean> is there a package that has ome windows fonts in it? some websites are looking a bit odd
[11:46] <frank23> dean: It's because your user does not have access to the fat partition. by default it is only accessible to root I think
[11:47] <frank23> dean: I'm not sure how to fix it though
[11:47] <arat> hey frank
[11:47] <DeBert> user_: maybe you made a mistake somewhere, cause i'm sure that codecs is in multiverse
[11:47] <dean> yeah but i altered the fstb file and its now mounted with full access to all i think
[11:47] <mat___> arat   sudo kismet
[11:47] <DeBert> dean: do you have line in there comparable to umask=0?
[11:47] <dean> yes
[11:48] <user_> can you send me your url
[11:48] <user_> please
[11:48] <DeBert> user_: deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse
[11:48] <dean> in the storage filer its showing as drwrxwrxw my unix is not all thagreat but i think thats ull access to everyone
[11:49] <arat> well i tipe kismet but it does nothing
[11:49] <mat___> user_:  try libmad0 first
[11:49] <DeBert> dean: and are all permisions on files and directories set properly?
[11:49] <slow-motion> n8
[11:49] <dean> one se
[11:49] <dean> sec even]
[11:50] <dean> sorry my laptops keyboard is acting a litte stange and it sometimes missing letters off as i type
[11:50] <DeBert> mat___: gstreamer isn't even installed on (my) dapper
[11:50] <mat___> arat did you type " sudo kismet "
[11:51] <arat> yes
[11:51] <dean> yes looks like all files are full access too
[11:51] <DeBert> dean: and do you have acces as root?
[11:52] <mat___> dean  /dev/hdb2 /mnt/FAT32 vfat umask=0222,uid=0,gid=0,noauto,rw,users 0 0
[11:53] <dean> no im using my normal account. i will try starting ktorrent as root to see if thatfixes it
[11:53] <mat___> arat and nothing happens?
[11:53] <dean> mat_: will try that in a sec thanks
[11:53] <DeBert> dean: give it a try with only umask=0 under options
[11:53] <mat___> then it is probebly not installed
[11:53] <frank23> dean: put uid=1000 and gid=1000 and it will give ownership of the files in the fat partition to you first user
[11:54] <frank23> dean: the user you created at install
[11:54] <dean> i have /dev/hda5       /media/hda5     vfat    defaults,umask=0   0       0
[11:54] <arat> nope
[11:54] <frank23> I have /dev/hda3 /media/fat vfat defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,auto,rw,nouser 0 0
[11:54] <mat___> dean:  off course you will have to edit  "hdb2" and "/mnt/FAT32" to fit yours
[11:55] <DeBert> dean: remove the "default" to, just to be sure
[11:55] <dean> hehe will try
[11:55] <VelvetElvis> dat gum it.  The /join #kubuntu thing is anoying.  I need to disable it
[11:57] <arat> omh
[11:57] <arat> omg
[11:57] <arat> help me
[11:57] <mat___> DeBert: slap!!
[11:57] <DeBert> mat___: what did i do? :)
[11:57] <mat___> bored hehe
[11:57] <arat> lol
[11:58] <dean> removing defats did not help
[11:58] <frank23> dean: did you try my line?
[11:58] <DeBert> weird, i mount my ntfs partitions like that, with only the "umask=0" option
[11:59] <dean> no gonna try that next :D
[12:00] <dean> frank23: no luck with your line either
[12:01] <mat___> dean try  /dev/hda5  /mnt/hda5 vfat umask=0222,uid=0,gid=0,noauto,rw,users 0 0
[12:01] <dean> last chance is the line from mat__
[12:01] <dean> hehe was just going to :D
[12:01] <mat___> just do a sudo mkdir /mnt/hda5 first
[12:02] <mat___> dean:  i had for some reason similar problems with the auto media thingy


 ?
 @Sick_Rimmit, I'm never sure with theese sorts of things. Maybe to start a chat on BBB (if that still works) or similar, then formalise it in some way.
 Yes BBB is still working, when would you be available ?
 most evenings UK time, given a little notice
 @tsimonq2 ?
 OK, So same for me UK Time evenings would be best
 and @ahoneybun et al
 Is Santa still helping us out ?
 Yep. getting him in there would be good, as he may want to transfer some of the stuff he does on his own servers currently, or something new!
 elisa is into Eoan
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[00:05] <whytrytofly> hello
[00:05] <whytrytofly> anyone around
[00:05] <whytrytofly> have probs setting my wallpaper
[00:06] <whytrytofly> resetting it everytimewhen i start mywindowmanager
[00:06] <whytrytofly> (i3)
[00:06] <whytrytofly> dont know where to start myfeh
[00:06] <whytrytofly> asthereis no .xinitrc
[08:09] <amofiuhr_> hello, I'm not sure how active this channel is, but I was wondering if anyone knows of a fix for this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1446247
[08:10] <amofiuhr_> Instead of the battery I had in 14.10, I have a rectangle with green for when the battery is powering, and yellow when it is discharging
[09:55] <aokmanga> Hi all I've a problem with my macbook keyboard. How can I configure my secondary keys? I used a guide in the past on the ubuntu documentation but I'm unable to find it again :(
[10:03] <aokmanga> Ok i found that 3rd level of keyboard is easily configured with kde and gnome
[10:03] <aokmanga> but how can i do that on lxde? is there a configuration file to edit?
[11:32] <ioria> hello. anyone has problem with parted and gparte ? thnaks
[11:33] <ioria> i got this error
[11:33] <ioria> Assertion (metadata_length > 0) at ../../../libparted/labels/dos.c:2313 in
[11:33] <ioria> function add_logical_part_metadata() failed.
[14:17] <Nairwolf> hi guys ;)
[14:18] <Garrick1> salut Nairwolf
[14:19] <Nairwolf> hi, Garrick1 ;)


[04:31] <FourDollars> Hi, I am trying to test the webhook usage for lp:~oem-solutions-engineers/oem-dev-tools/+git/oem-scripts but it won't call the webhook I added. Is there any problem?
[04:31] <FourDollars> Recent deliveries of https://code.launchpad.net/~oem-solutions-engineers/oem-dev-tools/+git/oem-scripts/+webhook/13229 is always empty. Although I made https://code.launchpad.net/~fourdollars/oem-dev-tools/+git/oem-scripts/+merge/384887 for it.
[04:31] <FourDollars> But it works fine if I added the webhook on lp:~fourdollars/oem-dev-tools/+git/oem-scripts.
[04:31] <FourDollars> How can I use the webhook on lp:~oem-solutions-engineers/oem-dev-tools/+git/oem-scripts?
[04:38] <wgrant> FourDollars: What's the event configuration for the webhook?
[04:40] <FourDollars> wgrant: Enabled git push,merge proposal, active and use secret.
[04:44] <wgrant> FourDollars: There are some complications around webhooks for private repositories, but it all looks right to me. If you have the merge-proposal:0.1 event type selected, it'll need some more digging that I can't really do right now - best if you can wait guntil the help contact is around, or ask asynchronously on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad.
[04:45] <FourDollars> wgrant: OK. Thx.
[04:48] <wgrant> Oh, I think I may see the problem. It looks like it might assume that the owner of the repository is always a user rather than a team. But that's only from a quick glance.
[04:48] <FourDollars> Yes
[04:52] <FourDollars> It is weird that I can add the webhook on the team's Git private repositories but it won't delivery the events.
[04:56] <wgrant> FourDollars: Bugs are weird, yes :)
[04:57] <wgrant> But merge proposal privacy is more complicated than just one repository.
[04:57] <FourDollars> OK. I have asked the question on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/691066.
[09:35] <LocutusOfBorg> hello, is launchpad having a sad day?
[09:35] <LocutusOfBorg> builders seems to be stuck, or not completing anything useful
[09:42] <SpecialK|Canon> Hm, they definitely look a smidge unhappy don't they - I'll take a look
[10:09] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks
[10:18] <SpecialK|Canon> LocutusOfBorg: Right, that should do it - things look a bit happier now - I'll keep an eye on the queue to make sure that continues
[10:53] <LocutusOfBorg> not sure SpecialK|Canon but I still smell some sadness...
[10:53] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/haskell-monad-par-extras/0.3.3-11/+build/19388304
[10:55] <SpecialK|Canon> LocutusOfBorg: Hm, I think that's a different manifestation of sadness, I'll take a look
[10:55] <cjwatson> May just be backlogged after the restart.
[10:55] <cjwatson> That particular bit isn't buildd-manager, it's a queue that's processed serially.
[10:56] <LocutusOfBorg> oh, ok so even if haskell libraries are not so heavy, stuff previously in the queue might be
[10:56] <LocutusOfBorg> makes sense thanks
[10:56] <cjwatson> And I see it just processed
[10:57] <cjwatson> previously in the queue> right, exactly
[10:57] <cjwatson> 2020-06-01 10:51:28 DEBUG   firefox-trunk_78.0~a1~hg20200531r533157-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~umd1_amd64.changes can be unsigned.
[10:57] <cjwatson> for example :)
[10:57] <cjwatson> (that's slightly unfair, the time in this case was actually mostly kernels)
[10:58] <LocutusOfBorg> :D thanks twice!
[11:00] <SpecialK|Canon> Cheers
[12:51] <rbasak> Similar to bug 1860456, I'm getting a "500 Internal Server Error" when I try https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+sourcefiles/apache2/2.2.8-1ubuntu0.4/apache2_2.2.8-1ubuntu0.4.dsc
[12:51] <rbasak> Steps to reproduce: on Focal, with python3-ubuntutools 0.176
[12:51] <rbasak> ubuntutools.archive.UbuntuSourcePackage('apache2', '2.2.8-1ubuntu0.4').pull()
[12:52] <rbasak> ^ help please SpecialK|Canon?
[12:52] <rbasak> Colin knows the background but I'm aware you should be asked first :)
[13:02] <SpecialK|Canon> rbasak: Taking a look
[13:32] <SpecialK|Canon> rbasak: Could you file a bug about it please; given +sf/sn/sv/filename should be unambiguous, certainly something's not right there
[13:36] <rbasak> SpecialK|Canon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-dev-tools/+bug/1881598 - thanks!
[13:36] <rbasak> Do you want a task against Launchpad also?
[13:43] <cjwatson> It's a Launchpad bug
[13:43] <cjwatson> Not ubuntu-dev-tools
[13:46] <rbasak> OK, changed.
[13:54] <SpecialK|Canon> rbasak: What's the concrete impact here? Looks like we have data issues (of the "we've ended up with two and that shouldn't happen" kind) - is this blocking you from anything at all or are we free to attempt to wrangle the inconsistency?
[13:56] <rbasak> SpecialK|Canon: it sort of blocks me from reimporting everything in main to git-ubuntu's now consistent standard, so I can declare all branches stable. I'd prefer not to have to say "all branches but X and Y are stable" though obviously that is an intermediate step. I would prefer not to work around it by injecting a dsc from somewhere else in case that inadvertently produces a non-reproducible result,
[13:56] <rbasak> though I can do that if necessary.
[13:57] <SpecialK|Canon> rbasak: Right, thanks
[13:57] <rbasak> (we already have code to inject a different source dsc URL for a particular package and version, so actually doing it is trivial)
[13:57] <cjwatson> I think we should probably discuss it in our team weekly tomorrow, if you can tolerate that much delay
[13:58] <cjwatson> It's not a straightforward situation
[13:58] <rbasak> Sure.
[13:58] <SpecialK|Canon> We have https://launchpadlibrarian.net/23154047/apache2_2.2.8-1ubuntu0.4.dsc and https://launchpadlibrarian.net/23719959/apache2_2.2.8-1ubuntu0.4.dsc so something's clearly gone wrong, but unpicking it is nontrivial as cjwatson says
[13:58] <rbasak> Sorry, I didn't say anything about timescales.
[13:58] <cjwatson> FWIW it looks like a historical copier bug
[13:58] <rbasak> If it's fixed in a couple of weeks I won't even really notice - I have plenty of other things to do before then.
[13:58] <cjwatson> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fXfpzbGt7R/ is the diff between the two versions in question
[13:59] <SpecialK|Canon> rbasak: Ah, fabulous, thanks
[13:59] <cjwatson> (the bug being that it didn't notice the conflict and refuse the copy)
[20:07] <ricotz> hi :), seems like the s390x builders have a problem
[21:51] <cjwatson> s390x builders should be back now
[21:54] <RikMills> \o/
[22:18] <cjwatson> Maybe.  A little bit.
[22:18] <cjwatson> But I'm very EOD