[01:13] <ptrkmj> Hi there. Is lubuntu provisoned with software to build kernel from it?
[01:38] <lubuntu214> wants to disable startup apps. I know that "Check for new hardware drivers" isn't necessary so I turned that off. what about "Disk NOtifications" and "Notification Daemon"?
[01:39] <lubuntu214> all the other apps I know are a total must
[11:40] <buzz_> running lubuntu oneiric. from the login screen "lubuntu netbook" session, returns right away back to the login. known issue, or ideas to debug ?
[11:41] <buzz_> lxdm.log shows "/usr/bin/startlubuntu-netbook lang" being run
[12:53] <l33> hi
[12:53] <l33> hi
[12:57] <faint545> how do i customize the notification popups? sometimes they go off the screen and get cut off.
[12:57] <faint545> im using lubuntu 11.10 btw
[13:01] <l33> i guess in the "start menu" under preferences desktop session settings you can switch this service on and off by disabling to load it on startup automagically ;)
[13:34] <jita> How do i decrease the brightness of my desktop ?
[13:35] <bioterror> laptop or desktop?
[13:35] <jita> bioterror: laptop
[13:35] <jita> bioterror: fn + f4 isnt working
[13:35] <bioterror> you usually have a key combo for that
[13:36] <jita> bioterror: got it, it was up down arrow keys thanks
[13:36] <jita> bioterror: would it remember when i reboot ?
[13:36] <bioterror> give a shot :)
[13:36] <jita> cool ty
[13:38] <jita> bioterror: nope it just sets back to maximum
[13:45] <Cheapshot> wonder why there isnt a gui for setting gamma
[13:45] <Cheapshot> atleast xgamma works perfectly
[13:46] <jita> How can i make lubuntu 11.10 remember the brightness of my laptop
[13:47] <jita> it seems to revert to max upon rebooting
[13:54] <Cheapshot> jita:  Have you checked your power manager? Check if you have something in the monitor section there.
[13:54] <Cheapshot> jita: There is a setting for automatically drop your brightness to a certain level when idle for a period of time etc..
[14:02] <croque> Is there any way to make a given application "live in the system tray"? Basically like Xchat or Pidgin does, but for another app (I'm thinking of Task Manager, Conky, things like that).
[14:41] <glauce> hi folks lxappearance (11.10) doesn't previewing openbox themes as it should be... any thoughts?
[16:13] <jita> whenever i open the run dialog using alt+F2, the run command opens in the background.
[16:13] <jita> Is there a way to launch it on the foreground
[16:15] <OneKorea> hi, im trying out lubuntu in vmware, just installed and booted up, and kinda suprised to see using 214mb of ram. Is that normal, as I was actually expected it to be lighter?
[17:58]  * wxl yawns
[18:23] <pmatulis> hi gang.  how do i create a key binding to maximize a window?
[18:25] <Unit193> Alt+space+x should do it by default
[18:26] <wxl> http://t.co/HslXxq4b
[18:26] <wxl> oops
[18:26] <wxl> nevermind that
[18:26] <wxl> <action name="ToggleMaximizeFull"/> in ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[18:27] <wxl> assuming you know how to do hotkeys
[18:27] <Unit193> Note that this isn't the same, but may give you an idea https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#I_want_to_bind_a_key_to_lock_my_screen.2C_how_do_I_do_it.3F
[18:29] <pmatulis> Unit193, wxl: thanks, i'll go from there
[22:18] <gwish> hello good people :) is it possible to change LXDE theme to dark? I'm either searching by wrong keywords, or I'm missing the obvious, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to theme my lubuntu in a dark fashion...
[22:19] <gwish> all I've found is to change just the title-bar and bottom panel, but not about the color of overall windows and buttons and stuff
[22:20] <Unit193> lxappearance may be what you're looking for
[22:20] <wxl> preferences > customize look and feel
[22:21] <gwish> wxl: ah, thanks
[22:21] <wxl> use color tab
[22:21] <gwish> I've originally installed Ubuntu, then lubuntu over it and I have a mess of menu entries right now
[22:21] <Unit193> !purelxde | Give this a shot
[22:21] <wxl> ^^ what he said
[22:21] <gwish> wxl: thanks a lot, this helps :D
[22:22] <gwish> Unit193: thanks, I'll try that as well :)
[22:22] <Unit193> Right-o
[22:26] <gwish> well, you guys answered more than I had hoped, big thanks to all and have a nice day :)
[22:30] <eztk> thanks unit193, following that as well. lubuntu is working like a charm on my almost 10 year old laptop!
[22:30] <Unit193> Great! That's always a good one
[22:31] <eztk> unit193: its running even better than x pee! just trying to find intel optimised drivers for the on-board graphics... not very smooth when it comes to youtube and stuff like that
[22:33] <Unit193> I'd guess jockey wouldn't pull something in, but getting X to configure may help (Without X running, sudo x --configure)
[22:33] <eztk> thanks again :-)
[22:36] <wxl> that reminds me, i need to try nv over nouveau
[22:41] <dynafish> hi everybody
[22:41] <dynafish> have a swap question
[22:42] <dynafish> gparted shows my swap partition as unknown, I am using an encrypted home partition btw
[22:42] <dynafish> free -m shows swap but usage is 0
[22:43] <dynafish> and I get the /dev/mapper/cryptswap1/ not ready at boot
[22:43] <dynafish> does lubuntu mount swap after login due to encryption?
[22:44] <dynafish> or do I need to reformat the swap and add to fstab?
[22:45] <dynafish> the partition does show up in etc/cypttab
[22:45] <dynafish> hi M0hi
[22:46] <M0hi> o/
[22:46] <dynafish> I have a question if you an help
[22:47] <M0hi> o/)
[22:47] <M0hi> I ll try my best =)*
[22:47] <dynafish> I installed lubuntu 11.10 on my netbook and gparted shows my swap partition as unknown, I encrypted my home partiion btw
[22:48] <dynafish> swap shows up in /et/crypttab but not fstab
[22:48] <dynafish> and free -m shows swap avaiable with 0 usage
[22:49] <dynafish> wondering if lubuntu is able to use my swap or if I should eformat the swap and add to fstab
[22:51] <wxl> i have that same problem
[22:51] <eztk> dynafish: i get that same error on boot up about that thing not being ready... i just keep ignoring it for now. would be interesting to know how to fix that.
[22:52] <wxl> same problem meaning sharing swap
[22:52] <dynafish> I wonder if it mounts the partition at all
[22:52] <wxl> EVERYONE has that problem with crypttab
[22:52] <wxl> so i had a debian partition and an ubuntu partition
[22:52] <wxl> trying to share swap with them
[22:52] <wxl> ubuntu = lubuntu btwq
[22:53] <dynafish> pretty clever
[22:53] <wxl> so i set up one with the uuid of the other and it's like the uuid changed so then it didn't work with the first
[22:53] <wxl> so i'm still in process of figuring that out
[22:53] <dynafish> I could reformat and add to fstab with uuid
[22:53] <dynafish> but the swap would be unencrypted that way I am sure
[22:54] <wxl> yep
[22:54] <wxl> assumedly you want encrypted?
[22:54] <dynafish> not like I am storing cia docs but still lol
[22:54] <dynafish> encrypted would be nice
[22:55] <dynafish> I have seen this in the forums allot
[22:56] <wxl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedHome#Caveats
[22:56] <wxl> sounds like there's some bugaboos with it
[22:57] <dynafish> I used sresstestapp and put lubuntu under a 2000mb load on the ram and it froze up (have 2gig ram) so I assume lubuntu is not using the swap but I am not positie
[22:57] <dynafish> ty wxl
[22:58] <dynafish> keyboard batteries low :(
[22:58] <wxl> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/oneiric/man1/ecryptfs-setup-swap.1.html
[22:58] <wxl> apparently it's still a bug if the man page is to be believed
[22:59] <wxl> so as long as you don't give a crap about hibernate you could encrypt swap
[23:00] <dynafish> with 2gigs of ram I may not even need it but it would be nice
[23:00] <wxl> hm i guess i didn't encrypt swap on this vm
[23:01] <dynafish> so it is a bug and lubuntu isn't using  the swap though as is
[23:01] <wxl> i do have a swap tho
[23:02] <dynafish> I mainly encrypted it  in case my netbook is lost that someone wih a live cd couldn' access my data so maybe encrypted swap isn't neessary
[23:03] <dynafish> *necessary
[23:04] <dynafish> I did a net install of SUSE and encryped home and when I neglected to supply password it booted ino a minimal x wih root access lol
[23:04] <dynafish> that was the end of suse on my netbook :)
[23:05] <dynafish> well I wonder what I should do then maybe I will just put debian squeeze on it
[23:06] <wxl> i swear #ubuntu is so full of random chatter and crosstalk you can never get a word in edgewise
[23:07] <wxl> anyways check this out too https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemHowto3
[23:08] <dynafish> ty
[23:09] <wxl> np
[23:09] <wxl> i'd suggest debian or arch if you're looking for something else to play with
[23:09] <wxl> if you want to get hardcore, there's only one: slackware :D
[23:10]  * nlsthzn_ has had more trouble with debian than slackware :)
[23:11] <wxl> hah now THAT'S funny
[23:11] <wxl> debian was a pita to install for me
[23:11] <wxl> part of that's because i have a ppc
[23:11] <wxl> i used the net install and set up the base system
[23:11] <wxl> then tried the lxde-desktop task
[23:12] <wxl> only to discover it erroneously pulled in gnome
[23:12] <dynafish> I did netinstall of debian and did lxde but I still needed so much stuff
[23:12] <wxl> so i started over and built up lxde basically piece by piece
[23:12] <wxl> i don't entirely mind that philosophy of keep it simple
[23:12] <dynafish> like synaptics so no trakpad which is a pia
[23:12] <wxl> i.e. building up what you want
[23:12] <wxl> that's what arch is all about
[23:12] <wxl> only problem is when you don't knwo what you're looking for :D
[23:12] <dynafish> have installed slackware in a vm but nver arch
[23:13] <wxl> i once had arch w/ xfce on a usb key i was running of my powerbook
[23:13] <dynafish> I really must try arch someday
[23:13] <wxl> it's purdy nice
[23:13] <dynafish> I un fedora on my desktop
[23:14] <dynafish> I ran ubuntu quite a bit though in he past
[23:14] <wxl> still my vote's with the buntus and debian because i (A) like the packaging system and (B) think they are #1 in support
[23:14] <wxl> fedora.. meh
[23:14] <wxl> i'm not into hats
[23:14] <dynafish> always easy to find answers on ubuntu forums and such
[23:15] <dynafish> plus ubuntu seems to get the new apps/toys first
[23:15] <wxl> i think debian represents real innovation and commitment to more than one platform
[23:15] <dynafish> debian is nice
[23:15] <wxl> the fact that they still support ppc for example
[23:15] <wxl> they're like the netbsd of linux
[23:16] <wxl> (plus it will kick ass if they ever get the hurd-equipped debian out)
[23:16] <dynafish> I gotta put freebsd in a vm sooon
[23:16] <wxl> my problem with debian is kind of the same problem i have with the bsds.. they're stable to a fault
[23:16] <wxl> i just tried to update my stable debian to testing (not experimental mind you) and it totally failed upon reboot
[23:17] <dynafish> ghostbsd looks cool but it never piks up on my wieless keyboard
[23:17] <wxl> oh i've had great luck with ghostbsd.. but only on wired up desktops
[23:17] <dynafish> of ourse my wieless keyboard is messed up now so maybe I will just hook up a wired one
[23:17] <wxl> heh
[23:18] <dynafish> I changed batteies but it is still omitting keystokes
[23:18] <dynafish> see aboove lol
[23:19] <wxl> heh
[23:19] <wxl> heh i'm gonna install hurd for fun
[23:19] <dynafish> I am addicted to the wireless though
[23:20] <dynafish> looking into what I need to do a lxde of debian squeeze for my eeepc 1005ha
[23:20] <wxl> it's the first time i've seen the page be greater than dismissive
[23:20] <dynafish> my first time here actually
[23:21] <wxl> welcome
[23:21] <wxl> feel free to idle and help with the rest of us
[23:21] <dynafish> ubuntu channel was confusing and teh only guy who replied to me logged out
[23:21] <wxl> traffic is fairly mellow
[23:21] <wxl> people are actually helpful
[23:21] <dynafish> sure I am bored anyway
[23:21] <wxl> heh
[23:21] <dynafish> I helped a winblows user yesterday in this other chat
[23:22] <dynafish> he couldn't find drivers for his printer even when I gave him the link
[23:22] <wxl> make sure you got all your proposed/testing updates and report bugs as needed
[23:22] <wxl> it happens :D
[23:22] <dynafish> so I downloaded the driver for him and put it in my dropbox public and gave him that link lol
[23:22] <wxl> omg
[23:23] <dynafish> yeah, if I didn't like the guy and talk to him al, the time it would be a different story ;-P
[23:23] <wxl> heheheh
[23:24] <dynafish> plus it was easier that way, he kept saying "it says no driver is available" when I was looking at the download link myself
[23:24] <dynafish> I figured hell I'll just download it and post it to dbox lol
[23:25] <dynafish> so how long have you been a linux user wxl?
[23:25] <wxl> too darn long
[23:25] <dynafish> :-)
[23:26] <wxl> especially if you count all the many years on freebsd
[23:26] <dynafish> I stated in like 05 with Mandake 10.1
[23:27] <dynafish> I want to get my CompTIA and eventually Red Hat certs
[23:27] <wxl> damn hats
[23:27] <dynafish> I did a year in college after I got laid off from my factory job and studied web design / programming
[23:28] <dynafish> I used to write simple web pages as a hobby when I was a machinist
[23:28] <dynafish> but after 12 years of cnc machining time to find a new career path
[23:29] <wxl> my history is like cp/m -> freebsd -> dos -> windows -> red hat/slackware -> os x (freebsd) -> a whole bunch of linucies before finally landing on lubuntu at which i finally felt at home
[23:30] <wxl> as a web programmer, did you see google's latest css3 display?
[23:30] <dynafish> lubuntu is nice, glad it's an official branch finally
[23:30] <wxl> yep
[23:30] <dynafish> I use xfce on my desktop but lxde is so much lighter
[23:30] <wxl> i actually like lxde a lot
[23:30] <dynafish> me too
[23:30] <eztk> me too
[23:30] <wxl> wmii is a little too extreme for me
[23:31] <dynafish> editing the xml file for the menu is fun
[23:31] <wxl> xfce is nice.. but just a little more than i need
[23:31] <wxl> lxde is.. just right
[23:31] <eztk> works very well on pentium iii M, 1 ghz..
[23:31] <dynafish> my only other machine at the moment is my netbook so lxde is a no brainer
[23:31] <wxl> i have a powerbook g4 1.5ghz running lubuntu
[23:31] <eztk> far less swapping since i added 512MB to the 256MB that was already installed. especially since I use multiple tabs on chromium
[23:31] <dynafish> but when I get my old pentium 4 going again lsde will be on it
[23:32] <wxl> still working on tweaking it to be jush right
[23:32] <wxl> (remember ppc is unofficial with canonical)
[23:32] <wxl> i have a thinkpad r60 i'm getting some new memory for and if that fixes its problem it's getting lubuntized
[23:32] <eztk> lubuntu has saved the laptop from further ruining the environment :-)
[23:32] <wxl> EXACTLY!
[23:32] <wxl> and that's why lubuntu is awesome
[23:32] <dynafish> I used to be a kde 3.5 guy and then came KDE 4 lol
[23:33] <wxl> oh gawd dynafish
[23:33] <eztk> wxl: whats the cpu? amazing how much extra memory makes
[23:33] <wxl> sorry, i just don't like kde
[23:33] <wxl> it's so.. windows.
[23:33] <dynafish> I ran sidux for about a year
[23:33] <wxl> eztk: not sure.. i got it free and because of the memory errors haven't been able to check it out
[23:33] <wxl> wow sidux that's obscure
[23:34] <dynafish> sidux (now aptosid) will not run on my hp pavillion not sure why
[23:34] <eztk> wxl: who cares when its free.. would be great to have lubuntu working on it of course :-)
[23:34] <wxl> eztk: naturally
[23:34] <eztk> ubuntu running very well on a much higher spec ubuntu box on my desk.. who needs windoze?? :-)
[23:34] <wxl> i ran.. oh gosh now i can't think of what it's called.. dreamlinux! for a bit
[23:35] <dynafish> sidux was great for awhile until the debian packages switched with the release of stable and then too much breakage
[23:36] <wxl> sad: puppy is ranked higher than lubuntu on distrowatch
[23:36] <dynafish> I downloaded dreamlinux not long ago but have not tried it out
[23:37] <wxl> lubuntu is #12
[23:37] <wxl> xubuntu is #31
[23:37] <dynafish> puppy I'm not big on, especially since it uns as root by default
[23:37] <wxl> daaaaang
[23:37] <wxl> kubuntu is #24
[23:37] <dynafish> xubuntu is nice
[23:37] <wxl> now don't look
[23:37] <wxl> tell me the top 5 in order
[23:37] <dynafish> I ran kubuntu back in the kde 3 days
[23:38] <wxl> xubuntu is like ubuntu + xfce not ubuntu - gnome + kfce like it should be so i'm not too into that
[23:38] <dynafish> ubuntu, mint, fedora, opensuse, debian (i think)
[23:38] <wxl> you got the players right
[23:38] <wxl> mint is #1
[23:38] <wxl> ubuntu #2
[23:38] <wxl> fedora's #3
[23:39] <wxl> debian #4
[23:39] <wxl> opensuse #5
[23:39] <dynafish> arch #6
[23:39] <wxl> yepper
[23:39] <dynafish> wow I have not messed with plos in awhile I cut my teeth on linux using it
[23:39] <dynafish> *pclos
[23:40] <dynafish> it's at #7
[23:40] <wxl> neverused
[23:40] <dynafish> it was a good sepping stone
[23:40] <wxl> personally i'm surprised people are still using opensuse
[23:40] <wxl> i'd much rather do arch
[23:41] <wxl> mint i don't totally understand
[23:41] <dynafish> I use openSuse on my windows partition in VBox it has guest additions by default which is nice
[23:41] <wxl> i haven't played with it too much but it seems like it's wanting to take over ubuntu's place
[23:41] <wxl> ..as "debian-easy" ;)
[23:42] <dynafish> mint is something I flirt with but never stick around
[23:42] <dynafish> I reccomend mint to newbies all the time though
[23:42] <wxl> i usually mention ubuntu
[23:42] <wxl> maybe i'll have to change my tune
[23:43] <wxl> the fact that they're jockeying for position is telling
[23:43] <dynafish> used to reccomend pclos to noobs but mint is way better imho
[23:43] <wxl> of course mint doesn't have the ultimate in linux-for-the-masses features: unity
[23:43] <dynafish> unity is ok but not for me
[23:43] <wxl> me either
[23:43] <wxl> i abhor it to be honest
[23:44] <wxl> but i see where they're going with it
[23:44] <dynafish> gnome 3 has got me questioning too
[23:44] <wxl> agreed
[23:44] <dynafish> I was happy with gnome but now I mainly use xfce
[23:45] <wxl> i ran xubuntu for a bit
[23:45] <dynafish> needing 3d out of the box seems anti-linux in a way
[23:45] <dynafish> maybe I am somewhat oldskool that way I guess
[23:46] <wxl> i know what you mean
[23:46] <wxl> heck, i love finnix
[23:46] <dynafish> fedora is supposedly working on a 2d gnome shell
[23:46] <dynafish> I may try gnome 3 again once it matures and I feel like a change
[23:48] <dynafish> I have been keeping an eye on elementary os, they are up o some neat stuff wih gnome 3 I heard
[23:49] <wxl> i'm so old school i add repos to my sources with echo | sudo tee :)
[23:50] <dynafish> lol
[23:51] <dynafish> fedora doesn't easily let you un thunar as root so I have to install my icon themes using the terminal now
[23:51] <dynafish> which is probably for teh best
[23:52] <dynafish> not sure if su - -c runs all gui apps in fedora or just unetbootin
[23:53] <dynafish> I did use beesu but I'd rather just go cli for root file access thes days
[23:55] <wxl> sorry disappeared
[23:56] <dynafish> np, I just grabbed last cup of coffee
[23:57] <dynafish> I will have to pop in here more often, I love chatting about linux
[23:59] <wxl> just idle here


[13:17] <popey> can we please lose ubot2` from #ubuntu-desktop
[13:17] <seb128> hey
[13:18] <seb128> #ubuntu-desktop got duplicate bots (ubot2` and ubot5), could we get one out? ;-)
[13:18] <seb128> (not sure where the new bot is coming from, popey said that was the channel to ask on though)
[13:23] <Unit193> seb128: You are on the access list of #ubuntu-desktop, at this time we're recommending you set a quiet on *!~ubot2@*[6~[6~
[13:23] <Unit193> *!~ubot2@*
[13:24] <seb128> ?
[13:24] <seb128> sorry, I'm not sure what the access list is and what setting a quiet means
[13:24] <seb128> why do we have a new bot that used to not be there and why does it need to stay?
[13:25] <Unit193> It doesn't need to stay, ubot5 is replacing ubot2`, but ubot2` recently came back online (maintainer has been unresponsive).
[13:26] <seb128> oh, ok
[13:29] <Unit193> As for the "access list" comment, it's the channel mod or OP permissions, you have them.
[13:34] <seb128> k, thanks
[13:36] <seb128> I put a +q on *!~ubot2@*
[13:36] <seb128> let's see how that goes
[13:36] <seb128> Unit193, thanks :-)
[13:36] <Unit193> Sure.
[20:22] <JFSTWO> !ops
[20:22] <ubot2`> JFSTWO called the ops in #ubuntu-kernel ()
[20:22] <ubot2`> JFSTWO called the ops in #ubuntu-kernel ()
[20:22] <JFSTWO> e
[20:22] <JFSTWO> !ops


[02:23] <habanany_> i  need help with this http://pastebin.com/GmAfnCaF
[08:25] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:27] <Mikaela> hi
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:24] <Mikaela> hi
[12:26] <ObrienDave> o/
[12:27] <elfy> wotcha peeps
[23:47] <Jonathan_e> hello, does anyone know a good tutorial for setting up Samba to connect a Ubuntu pc to a windows pc using a basic home router?


[02:02] <duflu> bregma: Are we skipping the hangout?
[02:02] <duflu> camako, bschaefer ^
[02:02] <bschaefer> umm i think so
[02:02] <bschaefer> duflu, i think its just me and you around
[02:03] <duflu> And then more
[16:48] <mariogrip> alan_g: ping
[16:48] <alan_g> mariogrip: ?
[16:55] <mariogrip> alan_g: I saw your post "a-new-hope", and about canonical maybe continuing mir, and at the same time i'm trying to create a wayland platfrom in mir. but i'm then wondering if I should stop that and keep using mir instead of having mir on top of wayland, since what we dont want is to maintain a display server on our own. And do you know if the android
[16:55] <mariogrip> platform would also be maintained?
[16:59] <alan_g> mariogrip: at the moment I don't know.
[17:00] <alan_g> Canonical hasn't had practice at redundancies and information isn't flowing well.
[17:01] <alan_g> In particular I don't know if any of the proposed IOT projects would use the android stack.
[17:02] <ogra_> unlikely (but still possible)
[17:02] <mariogrip> right, i'm also a bit worried that android would not prioritized
[17:03] <ogra_> not only that ... i doubt anyone at canonical will look at hybris in the future
[17:03] <ogra_> so even if the Mir bits keep working, hybris integration will be in possible limbo
[17:04] <alan_g> mariogrip: sorry, I gotta go just now.
[17:04] <mariogrip> alan_g: no problem
[17:04] <mariogrip> ogra_: well, libhybris we can manage since we are not alone on that, but maintaining our own display server is a bit too much
[17:05] <ogra_> well, the thing is that you need to maintain  the hybris integration of Mir ... neither mir alone or hybris alone
[17:05] <ogra_> mir itself ... at least in form of the mir-kiosk snap will surely persist ... but i dont know if there will even be any development
[17:06] <ogra_> or if it will just go into "maintenance mode" directly
[17:06] <mariogrip> right, that's what im worried about that libhybris will change and mir breaks
[17:06] <ogra_> it does what it is supposed to do ... (display a single standalone kiosk app) ... so not sure there will be any additional investment
[17:07] <mariogrip> that's why i'm trying to create this wayland platfrom in mir, that way we dont have to maintain the part that talks with libhybris
[20:10] <tvoss> mariogrip: libhybris is surprisingly stable. I think you are creating more work for yourself by using wayland as an abstraction layer here
[20:10] <tvoss> mariogrip: because ultimately, you would have to maintain hybris anyway
[20:41] <ogra_> tvoss, well, if the hal stack changes and hybris gets adjustments for that you usually need to adjust Mir as well ...
[20:42] <tvoss> ogra_: sure, but you would need to patch thewayland adaptation layer, too
[20:42] <ogra_> given the amount of maintainers that care for Mir on hybris ...
[20:42] <ogra_> tvoss, upstream will fix all wayland issues
[20:42] <ogra_> since they use wayland
[20:43] <tvoss> ogra_: upstream of what?
[20:43] <ogra_> but nobody will fix the Mir side
[20:43] <ogra_> of hybris
[20:43] <tvoss> ogra_: sure, but the assumption is that the wayland bits would stay untouched and that the abstraction layer in Mir would need changes either
[20:44] <tvoss> ogra_: just saying that introducing an abstraction layer at that level will likely just move the problem
[20:44] <ogra_> indeed
[20:44] <ogra_> but you add another abstraction that probably makes it easier
[20:45] <ogra_> i.e. if the upper side of wayland doesnt change you dont need to adjust Mir ... and the lower side of wayland will be managed by upstream anyway
[20:46] <tvoss> sure, that's a risky bet, though
[20:46] <ogra_> (i'd actually be more concerned about the performance impact ... maintenance wise it could be less work after all )
[20:48] <ogra_> ...but yeah, based on assumptions :)


[15:55] <hannie> hi CarstenG and all
[15:55] <CarstenG> Hi Hannie
[15:56] <hannie> No more things for me to change in nl.po? :)
[15:57] <CarstenG> Well, if you think it is ok, then we should publish it. :-)
[15:57] <CarstenG> I just make it with rev 137
[15:57] <manualbot> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/revision/137 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual -r 137
[15:58] <hannie> yes, that is my last upload
[16:00] <CarstenG> I have a quick view to the index
[16:00] <CarstenG> apparaten aankoppelen, 110
[16:00] <CarstenG> apparaten ontkoppelen, 110
[16:00] <CarstenG> sound similar
[16:00] <hannie> They are 2 different things, mount and unmount
[16:01] <CarstenG> ok
[16:02] <hannie> I always appreciate it when you help me find errors I overlooked
[16:03] <CarstenG> That's team work. :-)
[16:04] <CarstenG> Some days ago in the German team the translation progress starts again for precise.
[16:04] <hannie> Ah, I intended to contact Daniel Schury
[16:05] <hannie> and other teams that have partially translated precise-e2
[16:05] <CarstenG> So in the next weeks there will be hopefully some progress
[16:05] <CarstenG> Yes, Daniel is the leading force there
[16:05] <CarstenG> he made a wiki page for the status
[16:05] <CarstenG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGermanTranslators/UbuntuManual
[16:07] <hannie> I have made an overview of translation status of many languages. I will send it to the list shortly
[16:07] <hannie> Example: Malaysian 100% translated!!!!
[16:07] <hannie> We should do something about that
[16:11] <CarstenG> Yes, I noticed this to.
[16:12] <CarstenG> I did not yet found time to make a PDF from that.
[16:12] <hannie> CarstenG, I am going to write teams asking them if they need our help
[16:12] <CarstenG> We should contact the malay team for making screenshots now
[16:13] <CarstenG> Yes, that is good
[16:13] <hannie> CarstenG, ok. What do you think of the following suggestion:
[16:15] <hannie> I will make a draft, send it to you and you can add text to it
[16:15] <hannie> Kevin is a bit busy at the moment, next week he will be available again
[16:16] <CarstenG> Sure, send the draft.
[16:16] <CarstenG> I try my best to reply as soon as possible. :-)
[16:16] <hannie> I will do it tomorrow and send it to you
[16:18] <CarstenG> good
[16:19] <CarstenG> figure 3.33: you let it as main screenshot?
[16:19] <CarstenG> original it was a margin screenshot, or?
[16:20] <hannie> CarstenG, yes, but with baselineskip it did not look good
[16:21] <hannie> The problem is that 3.34 is too big. I tried to scale that one, but it does not want to move to the previous page
[16:23] <CarstenG> Well, 3.34 is this notification window from U1.
[16:23] <CarstenG> So you could crop it to the upper right part.
[16:24] <hannie> CarstenG, I scaled it to 1000 x 750, but that does not do the trick
[16:24] <CarstenG> As I did it in the quantal version
[16:24] <hannie> So I could try cropping it. Yesterday I did not have time to experiment with cropping and scaling
[16:25] <CarstenG> The quantal version is 377x217 px
[16:25] <CarstenG> I would avoid scaling, because the font size becomes to small.
[16:25] <CarstenG> IMHO
[16:26] <hannie> ok, if I have time I will do some cropping and see if I can make a marginscreenshot for 3.33
[16:26] <CarstenG> And one last question.
[16:26] <CarstenG> Did you test all external hyperlinks?
[16:27] <CarstenG> We should avoid some "page not found" messages in the browser.
[16:27] <hannie> Most of the links I have tested, yes
[16:30] <hannie> ok, you're back. It is always good to test links
[16:31] <CarstenG> Yes, my battery was low, so my laptop gone to suspend mode. :-)
[16:31] <hannie> hi Sylvie
[16:32] <cqfd93> Hi Hannie! Nice to see you!
[16:32] <cqfd93> Are you ready to publish your manual?
[16:33] <hannie> yes, I think so. There are always small things to be changed.
[16:33] <hannie> That is, if you are a perfectionist ;)
[16:33] <hannie> hey YoBoY
[16:33] <YoBoY> hi hannie :)
[16:34] <cqfd93> I agree! You can proofread a dozen times, you'll always find problems ;-)
[16:34] <YoBoY> +42
[16:34] <hannie> cqfd93, is the French version also ready for publishing?
[16:34] <YoBoY> (don't know what your are tlaking about :D)
[16:34] <cqfd93> Hi YoBoY and everybody ;-)
[16:35] <hannie> YoBoY, we were talking about the Dutch and French versions of precise-e2 (ready for publishing)
[16:35] <cqfd93> Hannie, we're still proofreading and making things better
[16:35] <hannie> cqfd93, I am looking forward to it. Good for my French ;)
[16:36] <cqfd93> ;-)
[16:36] <hannie> cqfd93, of course I can make the French pdf myself
[16:36] <YoBoY> yes, we do that atm, and my eagle eyes always find something ò_ó
[16:36] <hannie> I like your glasses
[16:37] <hannie> How many people are proofreading it?
[16:37] <hannie> For the Dutch version we were 2, Rob and I
[16:37] <YoBoY> a lot :D
[16:37] <YoBoY> (3… perhaps 4…)
[16:38] <hannie> well you have more inhabitants in France...
[16:38] <cqfd93> Hannie, just download the latest .po from the French translation page
[16:38] <hannie> yes, I will do that
[16:38] <hannie> I supose it is almost perfect
[16:39] <cqfd93> it is not perfect, we're just doing our best
[16:39] <hannie> ok, next to perfect, like our version
[16:40] <cqfd93> It's better than yours, because we have all 40 glossary entries (vs about 30 in yours) ;-) ;-) ;-)
[16:40] <hannie> cqfd93, did you do the screenshots?
[16:40] <YoBoY> yes
[16:40] <hannie> aha, I'll dive into the glossary then
[16:41] <cqfd93> Rickero did most of them, I did some of them with a lot of editing ;-)
[16:42] <YoBoY> and I did… heu… nothing :D
[16:42] <hannie> I suppose we had the same .pot file as a base
[16:42] <hannie> that is Enrico?
[16:42] <hannie> cqfd93, I do not understand why you have more words in the glossary. Did you add words yourself?
[16:42] <cqfd93> The English manual is also missing a lot of glossary entries, although they are in the file
[16:43] <cqfd93> We hat to add a few \gls{} here and there
[16:43] <YoBoY> hannie, you need one of the word of the document tagged like : \gls{your term}
[16:44] <cqfd93> Going to take a look at your pdf
[16:46] <hannie> ok, I understand. Somtimes I see gls{} without the preceding \
[16:46] <CarstenG> Hi Sylvie and Philippe: I had a quick view to the French screenshots. There are some which have the mouse pointer, or have missing window frame.
[16:46] <hannie> If you find those in the English version (Quantal) it would be wise to file a bug
[16:47] <CarstenG> ... or fix it directly. :-)
[16:47] <hannie> CarstenG, but then fix it in the English version, not just the translation, ok
[16:47] <CarstenG> You shold update these screenshots. They will look better.
[16:49] <CarstenG> Hannie, well, the quantal translation template is live on LP.
[16:49] <CarstenG> If we fix it there , the template become invalid...
[16:49] <cqfd93> Hannie: for example, I don't see LTS, Live CD, or Wubi in the glossary, whereas the glossaryentries do exist
[16:50] <CarstenG> I’m not sure if we want to update the translation template regular because some of the finishrd translations get lost in this case.
[16:51] <cqfd93> CarstenG: about the screenshots, we'll have to look at them, thank you
[16:51] <CarstenG> You are welcome. If you need help, feel free to contact me.
[16:52] <cqfd93> afk for a few minutes
[16:54] <hannie> cqfd93, thanks for giving me those examples. I will check it
[16:56] <CarstenG> this would be a nice check for Kevins new build script: "check for unused glossaryentries"
[16:57] <cqfd93> ;-)
[16:58] <cqfd93> Kevin wrote such a script?
[17:02] <CarstenG> yes, it is much in development
[17:02] <CarstenG> You find it in the quantal branch
[17:02] <CarstenG> you can test it with
[17:02] <CarstenG> $ ./build -L fr -c
[17:03] <CarstenG> This checks the French translation for example
[17:05] <cqfd93> thank you, CarstenG
[17:06] <CarstenG> suggestions for this script are welcome. :-)
[17:08] <hannie> \\newglossaryentry{Live CD}{name={Live-CD}
[17:08] <hannie> The hyphen should not be there
[17:08] <hannie> I'll change it
[17:08] <hannie> \\newglossaryentry{LTS}{name={\\acronym{LTS}}
[17:08] <hannie> looks good to me
[17:13] <cqfd93> CarstenG: While in the quantal folder, I ran the script and got tons of warnings mentioning precise-e2, like this one:
[17:13] <cqfd93> Warning: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/precise-e2/+pots/ubuntu-manual/fr/20/+translate
[17:14] <hannie> see you all later
[17:18] <CarstenG> Yes, the branch name is hard coded at the moment
[17:19] <CarstenG> you have to change this by hand
[17:23] <cqfd93> OK. The precise and quantal versions share the same glossaryentry problems
[18:20] <cqfd93> Yesterday, we ran into a problem that looks like a bug...
[18:20] <cqfd93> With this glossary entry:
[18:20] <cqfd93>   "\newglossaryentry{LTS}{name={\acronym{LTS}}, description..."
[18:20] <cqfd93> A sentence such as:
[18:20] <cqfd93>   "\marginnote{\gls{LTS} est une abréviation pour Support..."
[18:20] <cqfd93> should read:
[18:20] <cqfd93>   "LTS est une abréviation pour Support..."
[18:20] <cqfd93> but it reads:
[18:20] <cqfd93>   "lts est une abréviation pour Support..."
[18:20] <cqfd93> (note lts in lowercase)
[18:20] <cqfd93> The problem persists if we move the \gls{LTS} anywhere in the marginnote{}, but if we put it in the main text, LTS is OK.
[18:38] <godbyk> cqfd93: That's because the font used for the margin notes doesn't have small caps.
[18:38] <godbyk> And small caps are used for acronyms.
[18:38] <godbyk> cqfd93: One moment, and I'll give you a workaround.
[18:39] <godbyk> cqfd93: Try \glslink{LTS}{LTS}
[18:40] <godbyk> cqfd93: The \glslink command works like this \glslink{label}{text} where 'label' is the same as what's used for the \gls command, and 'text' is how you want it to appear in the PDF.
[18:41] <godbyk> (In this case, 'text' is just 'LTS' because we want the capital letters [as opposed to \acronym{LTS} which would give us small caps].)
[18:41] <godbyk> I'm going to try to modify the LaTeX code to do the right thing for margin notes and acronyms, but I haven't done that yet.
[19:07] <cqfd93> Hi Kevin!  Thank you, I'm gonna try your workaround
[19:09] <CarstenG> See you later
[19:09] <CarstenG> bye
[19:14] <cqfd93> Kevin, it worked!  Thank you!
[19:18] <godbyk> cqfd93: No problem!
[21:02] <cqfd93> Just updated 8 screenshots (fr, precise) - nl.po also got pushed in the same revision (138), hope I didn't break anything in it...


[00:00] <FremenBlue> james147: u cant help me?
[00:01] <James147> FremenBlue: sorry, not very fimilar with patching things
[00:01] <FremenBlue> u familiar with irc?
[00:02] <FremenBlue> can u tell me how to auto-identify myself to nickserv?
[00:02] <FremenBlue> i using quassel
[00:02] <bazhang> FremenBlue, #freenode
[00:02] <James147> FremenBlue: I think you have to register the nick somewhere
[00:02] <FremenBlue> alrdy did
[00:02] <FremenBlue> its just i get a message from nickserv asking for password that is rlly annoying
[00:03] <James147> FremenBlue: and then put the login info in the settings
[00:03] <FremenBlue> thanks james
[00:03] <FremenBlue> i g2g now
[00:03] <FremenBlue> l8ter
[00:04] <Maranatha> anyone helping me on the issue I have come accross?
[00:06] <genii> Maranatha: How did you install your flash player?
[00:06] <Maranatha> not a clue really. I don't remember. I think it was through chrome
[00:07] <genii> !flash
[00:07] <genii> Hm
[00:07] <Henzeh> kubuntu.fi
[00:08] <genii> !!fi
[00:10] <Maranatha> genii: I ran into an error at the end "E: Couldn't find package flashplugin64-installer"
[00:10] <Maranatha> !pastebin
[00:11] <Maranatha> genii: http://paste.ubuntu.com/407789/
[00:11] <fabio333> http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/
[00:12] <genii> fabio333: Desist with that in here please
 you know what us that?
[00:12] <fabio333> is*
[00:13] <genii> fabio333: I looked at the link yes. It's offtopic for this channel. Push websites in another place and not here please
[00:14] <fabio333> flash related....
[00:27] <Maranatha> genii: I am still having the same issue
[00:38] <Ahmed\> hi
[00:38] <NoRedemption> hi
[00:38] <Ahmed\> i gotta questio
[00:38] <Ahmed\> question !
[00:39] <NoRedemption> ask maybe i can help you out
[00:39] <Ahmed\> i mean why the hell i can't pause or resize the youtube's videos on flash SOME TIMES ?
[00:39] <Ahmed\> Oh ! would be nice it happens some times
[00:39] <Ahmed\> i hate that and on other browser SAME THING
[00:39] <NoRedemption> On Ubuntu?
[00:39] <Ahmed\> yeah
[00:39] <Ahmed\> Gnome
[00:39] <Ahmed\> or KDE where ever you go
[00:40] <NoRedemption> Well if both browser got it maybe you should talk to the devolper of the flash :)
[00:40] <Ahmed\> but you can pause on by pressing the SPACE bar on keyboard but cant by mouse clicks
[00:40] <Ahmed\> uhh
[00:40] <Ahmed\> Man i mean it works fine since i installed that stupid thing adblockplus
[00:40] <NoRedemption> Well i also pause sometimes the youtube with space on windows
[00:41] <Ahmed\> OMG I can use that TAB THANKS DUDE
[00:41] <Ahmed\> Yes same thing with me
[00:41] <Ahmed\> i have to pause by space
[00:41] <Ahmed\> cause mouse doesnt really works sometimes
[00:41] <NoRedemption> Well if it workse
[00:41] <Ahmed\> or unless you clear or clean up the history completely
[00:42] <NoRedemption> Hmmm
[00:42] <Ahmed\> are you new here?
[00:42] <Ahmed\> I mean i really am :)
[00:43] <NoRedemption> Yes i am new here
[00:43] <Ahmed\> Switched from windows ah gates good bye :$
[00:43] <NoRedemption> first day
[00:43] <Ahmed\> OMG thats good
[00:43] <Ahmed\> :) We can be friends
[00:43] <NoRedemption> Well i did use Ubuntu a time ago
[00:43] <NoRedemption> but it never did like overcome me to just use that
[00:43] <Ahmed\> uh
[00:43] <NoRedemption> :) we can
[00:43] <Ahmed\> Oh well ! i see
[00:43] <Ahmed\> Old user then
[00:44] <NoRedemption> Backtrack 4 made me do that :)
[00:44] <Ahmed\> umm i didn't heard about that
[00:44] <Ahmed\> i guess idid
[00:44] <Ahmed\> whats that anyway ?
[00:44] <NoRedemption> Backtrack?
[00:44] <Ahmed\> Yeah
[00:48] <grindey> does anybody know how to use rythmbox to put songs onto ipod?
[00:48] <grindey> or what program is best
[00:49] <genii> !ipod
[00:49] <grindey> thanks
[01:28] <ne7work> Hello,
[01:28] <ne7work> please someone help me..
[01:28] <ne7work> i need 64-bit flash player on my 64-bit linux
[01:29] <Ahmed\> Well
[01:29] <Ahmed\> Download it
[01:30] <Ahmed\> :)
[01:30] <phoenix_> hello everyone
[01:30] <ne7work> I use ubuntu 9.10 64-bit
[01:30] <Ahmed\> OKAAY OKAY I HEARD YOU i also use the same
[01:30] <ne7work> hmm
[01:30] <ne7work> well
[01:30] <ne7work> please help
[01:30] <ne7work> i'm beginner
[01:30] <FloodBotK1> ne7work: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:30] <Ahmed\> See my OT messages !
[01:31] <jovis> OT? ane you an operating thetan?
[01:31] <jovis> hehe
[01:31] <phoenix_> i am using gyachi 1.2.6 that i have compiled from the source, in every version of the gyachi, the voice chat plugin crashes when i press the off button in it. this does not work and i havnt heared a voice yet
[01:32] <phoenix_> i tried to see if i get any error message in the termnal but nothing
[01:33] <phoenix_> someone here told a command to trace a program few days back,  forgot it, can anyone tell me
[01:40] <phoenix_> i am using gyachi 1.2.6 that i have compiled from the source, in every version of the gyachi, the voice chat plugin crashes when i press the off button in it. this does not work and i havnt heared a voice yet
[01:40] <phoenix_> i tried to see if i get any error message in the termnal but nothing
[01:40] <phoenix_> someone here told a command to trace a program few days back,  forgot it, can anyone tell me
[01:43] <Maranatha> I have this issue when trying to play youtube videos in full screen "The following plug-in has crashed: /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so"
[01:44] <Maranatha> in chromium
[01:44] <jovis> can you play flash at all?
[01:44] <jovis> like with firefox?
[01:48] <phoenix_> is there a channel for gyachi
[01:48] <Maranatha> jovis: I can
[01:49] <jovis> then its a browser problem
[01:49] <Maranatha> uninstall and reinstall might fix it?
[01:49] <jovis> dobut it but maybe
[01:49] <Maranatha> ah ok
[01:58] <ne7work> i need help :(
[02:01] <punto> is there a known memory leak in plasma-desktop?
[02:01] <v1ttu> why?
[02:02] <punto> because I have to kill it every couple of days when it's using like 1gb of memory
[02:04] <v1ttu> when idle?
[02:05] <phoenix_> punto: some reported the same thing
[02:06] <phoenix_> punto: what is your kde version
[02:07] <punto> when can I see the version?
[02:07] <punto> 4.3.2
[02:07] <Maranatha> ne7work: what do you need help with
[02:08] <punto> on kubuntu 9.10
[02:09] <phoenix__> punto: i experienced the same, but i upgarded and the program is gone
[02:09] <v1ttu> program?
[02:10] <phoenix__> v1ttu: problem.sorry typing mistake
[02:10] <v1ttu> problem?
[02:10] <punto> phoenix__: is there a package that can be upgraded?
[02:11] <phoenix__> punto: check in the system activity, whether the process java is consuming the resources
[02:11] <v1ttu> do you know how to upgrade your kde version punto?
[02:11] <punto> v1ttu: no
[02:12] <v1ttu> hmmm
[02:12] <v1ttu> i think it would be a good idea to upgrade to 4.4.2
[02:12] <v1ttu> do you have a second pc nearby?
[02:13] <punto> yeah.. with windows
[02:13] <phoenix__> punto:sudo  apt-get upgarde
[02:13] <v1ttu> sweet
[02:13] <phoenix__> punto: sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:13] <punto> phoenix__: is there 1 package that will trigger the upgrade of just kde?
[02:13] <v1ttu> o yeah, you have installed updats yeah?
[02:13] <v1ttu> updates*
[02:14] <punto> probably not
[02:22] <benz> hi
[02:44] <peter__> Hi Gab, I am a new user. trying to connect here
[02:44] <maco> hello :)
[02:44] <maco> you're connected just fine
[02:44] <peter__> Hi
[02:45] <peter__> I was not sure how to set a pw and user name but it seems I don't have to,
[02:46] <peter__> Is this a Kubuntu 10.04 beta forum?
[02:46] <maco> on irc? if you want you can pick a nick thats not taken yet and register it for the server.
[02:46] <maco> !register
[02:46] <maco> actually this is support for the current stable releases. if you're running the upcoming version, visit #ubuntu+1
[02:47] <peter__> Thanx! I'll try to find that. I am new with this irc also
[02:48] <maco> you can type "/join #ubuntu+1" to get there (no quotes)
[02:48] <maco> peter__: also, if you say someone's name, they'll likely get a notification from their client that someone's talking to them
[02:49] <peter__> Thank you
[02:49] <peter__> join #ubuntu+1
[02:49] <maco> you need the /
[03:20] <atamisk> i think i screwed up folks
[03:21] <atamisk> i installed kubuntu over lucid
[03:21] <atamisk> did i make a fail?
[03:21] <atamisk> all i get is a terminal...
[03:21] <maco> did you do it from a cd and overwrite the lucid install and go "aww but i wanted lucid!"
[03:21] <atamisk> nah
[03:21] <maco> or did you just install kubuntu-desktop within lucid? cuz thats totally cool
[03:21] <atamisk> that one
[03:21] <atamisk> but  there's no desktop to manage
[03:22] <atamisk> all i have is a terminal window
[03:22] <maco> do you get kdm?
[03:22] <maco> someone else said today in #kubuntu-devel that after they login at kdm the plasma-desktop doesnt load
[03:22] <atamisk> yeah
[03:22] <atamisk> the login looks alright, and the mouse looks right but there's no desktop enviroment
[03:22] <maco> well if you've got a terminal you can type "plasma-desktop" in it
[03:23] <atamisk> alright
[03:23] <atamisk> funfact, i might have to close xchat to do so
[03:23] <atamisk> brb
[03:23] <maco> no window manager, eh?
[03:26] <Atamisk> yes, KDE is very snazzy, too bad i can't really use it. closing the instance of terminal logs me out :P
[03:27] <Atamisk> and it's always on top
[03:27] <Atamisk> very odd
[03:27] <Atamisk> is there a way to MANUALLY set plasma to autostart?
[03:29] <Atamisk> recap, plasma ain't workin in my lucid install. i just get a terminal
[03:30] <Atamisk> a super-terminal in fact, the computer freaks out if i close it
[03:31] <Atamisk> anyone?
[03:32] <Mr_Sonoma> upgraded to 9.10 the other night now wireless wont connect. anyone got any good suggestions on where to start?
[03:32] <Atamisk> adapter on, network manager active?
[03:34] <Mr_Sonoma> network manager active, adapter shows active
[03:34] <Atamisk> hmm
[03:34] <Mr_Sonoma> just wont connect
[03:34] <Atamisk> what does it do when you try to connect? does it show any networks in the list?
[03:34] <maco> Atamisk: i think its a bug
[03:34] <Atamisk> ahh
[03:34] <Atamisk> figures
[03:35] <Atamisk> workaround?
[03:35] <Mr_Sonoma> yes it shows the networks in the list
[03:35] <Atamisk> whoa, echo
[03:35] <Atamisk> thanks maco
[03:35] <Mr_Sonoma> *sigh* shoulda done testing before upgrading, everytime i don't test i get bit, but if i do everything works fine
[03:36] <Atamisk> how would've i tested it?
[03:37] <Mr_Sonoma> i'm talking about my situation. usually i run from LIVE CD and see if it works
[03:37] <Atamisk> i got kubuntu directly from the internet. it's overlaid over my regular lucid-ubuntu
[03:37] <Atamisk> ah
[03:37] <Atamisk> got confizz'd
[03:38] <Atamisk> i had issues with 9.10 too, but my wireless usually worked
[03:38] <Atamisk> try restarting your adapter?
[03:39] <Mr_Sonoma> been there too. trying to research from windows then if i find a solution that needs network connection to fix i'll have to go upstairs to the router :(
[03:39] <Atamisk> ugh
[03:39] <Atamisk> what a pain
[03:39] <Mr_Sonoma> was hoping someone would have seen it enough that it would be easy suggestion
[03:40] <Atamisk> brb, switching back over to gnome until i figure this craziness out
[03:43] <Atamisk> aaaand we're back in gnome
[03:43] <Atamisk> (with kubuntu's mouse pointer. go figure
[03:43] <Atamisk> now, to peruse the interwebs for a fix!!
[03:44] <v1ttu> whats the prob atamisk?
[03:45] <Atamisk> plasma won't load
[03:45] <Atamisk> all i get is a single-use terminal
[03:47] <Atamisk> v1ttu, any ideas?
[03:49] <v1ttu> yup
[03:49] <v1ttu> eh
[03:49] <v1ttu> do u have a seond pc nearby?
[03:49] <v1ttu> second**
[03:49] <Atamisk> yeah, running windows though
[03:49] <v1ttu> kk sweet
[03:49] <Atamisk> whyfor?
[03:49] <v1ttu> just to check
[03:49] <Atamisk> ah
[03:50] <v1ttu> are u sure the default session isnt xterminal?
[03:50] <Atamisk> shouldn't be, but how do i check?
[03:50] <v1ttu> are you using windows or linux now?
[03:50] <Atamisk> (well actually right now i know it's GDM but it helps to know :P)
[03:50] <Atamisk> gnome linux
[03:50] <v1ttu> i see
[03:50] <v1ttu> ok
[03:51] <v1ttu> do you have autologin?
[03:51] <Atamisk> no
[03:51] <v1ttu> ok
[03:51] <v1ttu> on the login screen look for sessions
[03:51] <v1ttu> select session
[03:51] <v1ttu> or whatever its called ingnome
[03:51] <v1ttu> buttttttttt
[03:51] <v1ttu> if your logged into gnome
[03:51] <v1ttu> nvm
[03:51] <v1ttu> im being dumb
[03:52] <Atamisk> well, it takes 2 seconds to reconfig and reboot
[03:52] <v1ttu> what happens when you try to log into kde?
[03:52] <Atamisk> i get to log in normally (with KDE's login) then it drops me into a terminal
[03:52] <v1ttu> kdm?
[03:52] <Atamisk> yah
[03:52] <Atamisk> kdm
[03:53] <v1ttu> ic
[03:53] <v1ttu> did u install kde alongside gnome?
[03:53] <Atamisk> the terminal refuses to move, and there's no window around it
[03:53] <Atamisk> yep
[03:53] <v1ttu> okkkkkkkk
[03:53] <Atamisk> using synaptic
[03:53] <v1ttu> do you know about ctrl+atl+f1?
[03:53] <Atamisk> yes
[03:54] <v1ttu> you know how to login that way?
[03:54] <Atamisk> yes
[03:54] <v1ttu> sweet
[03:54] <v1ttu> try this
[03:54] <v1ttu> login thru CTRL+ALT+f1
[03:54] <Atamisk> then start plasma?
[03:54] <v1ttu> then run sudo rm -r ,kde
[03:54] <v1ttu> sudo rm -r .kde
[03:54] <Atamisk> wait wat?
[03:54] <v1ttu> lol
[03:54] <v1ttu> okkkkkkkk
[03:55] <v1ttu> ill pm ya
[03:55] <Atamisk> okay
[04:17] <caterpillar> hello.. all loners
[04:57] <Benny__> How do I install KDE4  9.10 using KDE3  9.04
[04:58] <Benny__> Can someone answer my question please
[05:07] <leigh> my ipod doesent seem to work with ubuntu can anyone help
[05:09] <bazhang> grindey, using which app to access it, what version of ubuntu/kubuntu ; what make / model of iPod
[05:10] <grindey> ive tried rythmbox, banshee and gtkpod
[05:10] <bazhang> version of Ubuntu/Kubuntu, what make/model of iPod
[05:11] <grindey> i am using 8 gb a1285 ipod
[05:11] <grindey> ubuntu 9.10
[05:12] <grindey> rythmbox is somhow able to read the files but i now apparently have o songs on my ipod
[05:12] <grindey> the other apps cannot recognise that my ipod is mounted
[05:13] <grindey> the desktop does show the ipod icon and my ipods name
[05:13] <bazhang> touch? nano? video?
[05:13] <grindey> nano sorry
[05:13] <bazhang> odd
[05:13] <bazhang> nano works fine here
[05:14] <grindey> i have no idea whats going on with it
[05:14] <grindey> once the ipod is plugged in should banshee or gtkpod recognise its there
[05:14] <bazhang> you could try the iFuse PPA, or wait for next version of Ubuntu/Kubuntu when it will be native
[05:14] <bazhang> yes, but the issue is not being able to copy songs I would imagine
[05:15] <bazhang> ie you can see it, but nothing is changed once you remove it
[05:15] <grindey> yea, it has deleted all my songs off the ipod
[05:15] <grindey> but when i plug it in, rythmbox is able to access my music ? lol
[05:15] <grindey> and play it
[05:16] <bazhang> never had that issue. just trying to remove/copy and nothing is changed once removed
[05:17] <grindey> is there a way to test if it is mounting correctly
[05:18] <Maranatha> I downloaded a program how do I install it through terminal
[05:19] <rosco_y> Can anyone help me with the mount command: http://pastebin.com/R44M8GNc
[06:16] <brain_> how can i export my packagelist in kubuntu 9.10?
[06:17] <brain_> i want all my progs use on my second pc
[06:35] <robbit10> How do I switch from Ubuntu to Kubuntu?
[06:36] <bazhang> robbit10, install package kubuntu-desktop
[06:36] <bazhang> !purekde | robbit10
[06:36] <robbit10> bazhang: thanks, that's what i was looking for :)
[06:59] <robbit10> !purekde > robbit10
[07:05] <robbit10> bazhang: I'm getting an error when trying to uninstall KDE using the Manual instructions. The automatic one only removes the ubuntu-desktop metapackage
[07:05] <maco> hmm?
[07:05] <maco> just install kubuntu-desktop add kde to your system
[07:05] <robbit10> erm, i meant GNOME, sorry
[07:05] <robbit10> i was distracted a bit
[07:06] <maco> i read wrong too.... read "trying to install kde"
[07:06] <maco> pastebin the error?
[07:06] <robbit10> no, i want to remove all the GNOME programs from my system, because they're cluttering up the KDE menu
[07:06] <robbit10> okay
[07:07] <robbit10> maco: http://pastie.org/private/srvym2mbgx3i224csziw
[07:09] <maco> robbit10: any chance youre on lucid right now?
[07:10] <maco> cuz there is at least one major kde package in a not-installable state right now with lucid
[07:10] <maco> which could confuse it
[07:10] <maco> and what happens if you just run "sudo apt-get install -f"?
[07:26] <robbit10> maco: I'm not on lucid, but I used the KDE SC 4.4 from the backports PPA (in the topic) to install Kubuntu. I'll try apt-get install -f
[07:27] <robbit10> maco: That did nothing. apt-get -f didn't detect any errors.
[07:27] <maco> hrmph
[07:27] <maco> does aptitude why-not <package> say anything useful if you tell it the packages that it says will not be installed?
[07:29] <robbit10> maco: http://www.pastie.org/private/bgvhx28v667tszdlxxnw
[07:31] <maco> hmm try removing phonon-backend-null and replacing with phonon-backend-xine?
[07:32] <robbit10> maco: sudo aptitude remove phonon-backend-null didn't do anything, and neither did aptitude install phonon-backend-xine :S
[07:33] <maco> :-/
[07:33] <robbit10> maco: I tried apt-get, and it tells that phonon-backend-xine is installed and phonon-backend-null is not installed
[07:34] <demism> i got lucid and i was wondering how i can get kubuntu-desktop on it? I get a bunch of depends but wont be installed messages, any ideas?
[07:35] <moetunes> demism: you could ask in  #ubuntu+1 - that's for lucid
[07:36] <demism> moetunes: thanks :)
[07:36] <moetunes> np :)
[07:40] <robbit10> aptitude says the Phonon packages AND kubuntu-desktop in the PPA are broken.
[07:43] <robbit10> maco: Do you think i should first install the official Kubuntu packages, then upgrade them via the PPA?
[08:02] <Seazor> since i updated kdeSC 4.4.1 to 4.4.2 from PPA, i have a problem with netbook interface
[08:03] <Seazor> can someone help me ?
[08:16] <Seazor> please, is there someone who can do some support here ?
[08:17] <umakant> Seazor:  for ?
[08:19] <Seazor> since i updated kdeSC 4.4.1 to 4.4.2 from PPA, i have a problem with netbook interface
[08:21] <Seazor> the panel at the top of the screen appear only when plasma (the "desktop") is the application with the focus
[08:22] <Seazor> it disapear when you click on another window
[08:36] <njathan> Anyone knows of this is supposed to work for batch download with wget? ->  wget http://example.com/slide{1-5}.jpg
[08:36] <Tm_T> njathan: try [1..5]
[08:39] <njathan> tried that... it doesn't recognize the metachars... just looks for the file named slide[1..5].jpg, and eventually returns a 404
[08:39] <Tm_T> interesting
[08:40] <Tm_T> I cannot remember how this kind of thig is supposed to be done
[08:40] <njathan> the guy in this thread uses a tiny script, which i am sure will work.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4325744&postcount=9
[08:40] <njathan> but i was just wondering why wget does not understand standard metachars
[08:42] <njathan> Tm_T: whups! worked.... silde{1..5}.jpg does the trick!
[08:42] <Tm_T> njathan: aah, great (:
[08:45] <mfraz74> Can anyone help me with my Kontact problem?
[08:48] <njathan> mfraz74: someone might try provided you ask the right queston
[08:50] <mfraz74> I upgraded to kde 4.4.2 yesterday and I think I've sorted out Akonadi, but I can't get Kontact to respond to anything after I load it
[08:55] <mfraz74> The individual programs work - KOrganizer, KAddressBook, KMail etc but not Kontact
[09:06] <Serpardum> kubuntu some version.  I forget the command to check for  programs.
[09:06] <Serpardum> console command
[09:08] <Tm_T> Serpardum: what you need to do?
[09:09] <Serpardum> configure: line 475: cas: command not found                 so I need to find what program cas is
[09:10] <Serpardum> and install it
[09:11] <Serpardum> gah, n/m
[09:11] <Serpardum> it's the last line of the script file
[09:11] <Serpardum> cas
[09:11] <Serpardum> and I"m sure it was supposed to be case
[09:11] <Serpardum> and got cut off
[09:11] <Serpardum> basically I have an incomplete configure file.  thanks
[09:13] <aantsa> hi
[09:17] <Serpardum> hi aantsa
[09:18] <aantsa>  testing Quassel irc software
[09:19] <Serpardum> it seems to be working on our end, that is, we see what you are typing
[09:20] <aantsa> good, and even I can join my favorite channel in quakenet
[09:20] <aantsa> not bad :D
[09:21] <aantsa> because I am really newbie with kubuntu
[09:22] <aantsa> this is good
[09:22] <aantsa> quassel
[09:23] <aantsa> I can hide everykind happens
[09:23] <aantsa> join, quit...
[09:28] <mfraz74> why can't I get Kontact up and running? Aaaagh
[09:33] <aantsa> seeya, need to go
[09:51] <apparle> Why is search not working in lucid
[09:51] <Tm_T> apparle: lucid help in #ubuntu+1 (:
[09:52] <apparle> Tm_T: but all the people there don't consider Kubuntu in ubuntu+1... so I won't get any help regarding KDE
[09:53] <Tm_T> apparle: they should
[09:54] <apparle> Tm_T: they should but there's no one who uses lucid kubuntu... so I get negligible help regarding it
[09:55] <Tm_T> apparle: we are there (:
[09:55] <apparle> Tm_T: alright you help me out there
[09:55] <Tm_T> as much as I can
[09:57] <Ahmed> tm_T
[09:58] <Ahmed> How do i use aircrack :) i have installed but doesnt seem to work :)
[09:58] <Tm_T> Ahmed: I have never used it, sorry
[09:58] <Ahmed\> OH
[09:58] <Ahmed\> Any other to crack into wifi ?
[09:59] <Tm_T> no, I don't do such things, especially as it's often considered illegal
[09:59] <Ahmed\> HUH
[09:59] <Ahmed\> I'm having my internal IP from US of A and you think its illegal
[09:59] <Ahmed\> Oh great
[10:00] <Tm_T> Ahmed\: no, I don't say that is illegal
[10:00] <Ahmed\> hhhhhh
[10:06] <NoRedemption> hi
[10:08] <Ahmed\> hi
[10:08] <Ahmed\> Oh you !!!!!
[10:08] <Ahmed\> @_@
[10:08] <FloodBotK1> Ahmed\: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:10] <mutanabbi> The official kubuntu support doesn't seem to be flooded right now, do you mind if i just drop some general questions on how it all works or should i just keep researching?
[10:10] <NoRedemption> iam back
[10:10] <NoRedemption> just ask
[10:10] <Ahmed\> okay
[10:10] <Ahmed\> welcome back
[10:10] <NoRedemption> thx :)
[10:10] <Ahmed\> Chris, i need 3gp codecs
[10:11] <Ahmed\> for Mplayer
[10:11] <Ahmed\> WHERE DO I GET THEM
[10:11] <Ahmed\> :)
[10:11] <FloodBotK1> Ahmed\: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:11] <Ahmed\> dont suggest me a VLC oh please
[10:11] <NoRedemption> hmmm wait
[10:11] <jussi01> !codecs
[10:11] <Ahmed\> I mean i just dont get the voice but video works
[10:12] <NoRedemption> did you already tried the cheapeds trick
[10:12] <jussi01> Ahmed\: kubuntu-restricted-extras should give you all you need.
[10:12] <NoRedemption> ok
[10:12] <jussi01> and make sure pulse audio is disabled if you have it installed.
[10:12] <Ahmed\> i have it installed from the day 1
[10:13] <Ahmed\> yes so how do i enable the audio :) O_o
[10:13] <NoRedemption> loook for drivers
[10:13] <jussi01> Ahmed\: make sure pulse is uninstalled/disabled.
[10:13] <Ahmed\> no no its not about drivers
[10:13] <Ahmed\> Okay wait
[10:14] <Ahmed\> dude there are like dozens of pulse installed
[10:14] <Ahmed\> which to uninstall /
[10:15] <Ahmed\> difference between ubuntu-restricted-extras and kubuntu-restricted-extras
[10:15] <Ahmed\> ?
[10:17] <Ahmed\> Okay well guys i cant see my desktop after an application didnt respont
[10:17] <Ahmed\> respond
[10:17] <NoRedemption> mmm
[10:18] <Ahmed\> well
[10:18] <Ahmed\> yeah
[10:18] <Ahmed\> unless i logout
[10:18] <Ahmed\> it wont be back
[10:18] <Ahmed\> :)
[10:18] <FloodBotK1> Ahmed\: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:18] <NoRedemption> :P
[10:18] <Ahmed\> HUH
[10:19] <NoRedemption> how did it go
[10:20] <Ahmed\> all i can see is desktop background
[10:20] <NoRedemption> ???
[10:20] <Ahmed\> ???
[10:21] <NoRedemption> what happened?
[10:21] <Ahmed\> i mean i lost my desktop icons
[10:22] <NoRedemption> oh
[10:22] <NoRedemption> did you look on screen 2 and 1
[10:22] <Ahmed\> nO
[10:22] <Ahmed\> there same
[10:30] <Ahmed\> WHy can't i get voice on a 3gp formats on mplayer ?
[10:30] <Ahmed\> only video appears
[10:38] <mutanabbi> Since i started using linux and ubuntu derivates i have had problems with my videodrivers (for an ati card) i wonder how the drivers fro kubuntu work
[10:39] <moetunes> they seem ok - for a guide to set them up
[10:39] <moetunes> !ati
[10:40] <mutanabbi> thanks, i think i checked most howtos out though, but i'll check into this one
[10:48] <mutanabbi> I use irssi, is there any way to hide info on people moving in and out of the chat?
[10:50] <nathan_> #kubuntu-develop
[10:53] <moetunes> mutanabbi:from here - http://linuxreviews.org/software/irc/ - To hide join/parts in a channel, try    /help ignore    for instructions.
[11:42] <esay> which desktop do you think is better "Gnome- KDE - Xfce - lxde"
[11:43] <bazhang> esay, matter of opinion, try them out yourself. chat in #kubuntu-offtopic please
[11:43] <bazhang> esay, or you could ask bestbot in #ubuntu-bots
[11:45] <esay> ok
[11:50] <mutanabbi> Is there a good, safe way to simply switch Kwin for a nice flexible tiling wm?
[11:50] <bazhang> mutanabbi, install one?
[11:51] <mutanabbi> Yeah, but then i have to replace it afterwards right? Or use it as a second session?
[12:08] <mutanabbi> if i just replace kwin with --replace this will not be a premanent change?
[12:08] <bazhang> mutanabbi, using compiz? which wm were you referring to
[12:09] <mutanabbi> I am using compiz right now, but i would like to use a tiling wm, like awesome or wmii
[13:01] <mudassar> hello, i could never got my laptop mic work properly in kubuntu and skype even i bought a new laptop and latest version of kubuntu
[13:01] <mudassar> please help me
[13:03] <mudassar> hello anybody here ?
[13:07] <mudassar> hello anybody there ?
[13:27] <mudassar> Hello please help me
[13:46] <mfraz74> is there any way of starting the Akonadi configuration from scratch?
[13:51] <Draglor> removing the old one would have this effect
[13:51] <Machtin> is there no more eclipse-cdt package in 10.04?
[13:52] <bazhang> Machtin, #ubuntu+1 for lucid
[13:52] <mfraz74> how much of it can i remove?
[13:52] <Machtin> mh, k
[13:54] <ZinBr> how i install the controller video ati radeon x1200 in kubuntu 9.10?
[13:56] <jovis> maybe go to their website
[13:56] <jovis> and download the linux drivers
[14:07] <swat_graph> hellow
[14:10] <jovis> hallow
[14:12] <swat_graph> someone are french ?
[14:14] <jovis> voulez vous?
[14:17] <swat_graph> je debute sur linux etc.. je découvre Quassel irc la
[14:18] <jovis> que pasa?
[14:18] <jovis> burrito supreme?
[14:19] <swat_graph> ?
[14:19] <jovis> sorry i was speaking mexican
[14:19] <swat_graph> ok
[14:21] <jovis> comment avez-vous découvert l'IRC ?
[14:22] <Denis23423525> ci sono italiani __?
[14:22] <jovis> si
[14:22] <Denis23423525> scusa amico ti posso fare una domanda in privato su kubuntu ?
[14:23] <Denis23423525> che lo appena installato e noto una cosa che nn dovrebbe esserci
[14:48] <mood> hey
[14:49] <jovis> que pasa
[15:12] <BluesKaj> 'morning
[15:17] <swat-graph> Someone are french ?
[15:18] <arch0njw> !fr | swat-graph
[15:43] <john__> Hola
[15:44] <john__> Hablo Español
[15:44] <bazhang> !es
[15:44] <john__> Hay alguien ahí
[15:52] <keffie_jayx> john__: por lo general si
[15:53] <jovis> taco supreme
[16:02] <spirov92> I have an RV250 which fglrx dropped support for, and radeon is being horribly slow. what do you guys think is better-debugging radeon or using an old fglrx which supports my card?
[16:04] <spirov92> I would just buy a working card but this one's soldered to my laptop's main board and would be hard to replace :(
[16:57] <itguru> I've found a bug in how kubuntu handles pptp connections -- how do I go about reporting it?
[16:58] <moetunes> !bug
[16:58] <itguru> Basically, when a pptp connection is made, it routes all traffic via the pptp connection, rather than just the traffic destined for the far network
[16:58] <itguru> I had to manually alter the routing table to stop all my *downloads* going via the vpn!
[17:05] <apparle> kopete supports proxy?
[17:14] <vbgunz_> can kate autocomplete python files Vs just doing syntax highlighting?
[17:15] <James147> vbgunz_: kate has vary basic autocompete, i think it just completes words you have already typed in the document :)
[17:16] <vbgunz_> yeah, I see that :/
[17:16] <James147> vbgunz_: keep iun mind its `just` ment to be a text editor not an ide
[17:17] <vbgunz_> yeah, just autocompletion and nothing else would be grand.
[17:17] <vbgunz_> its all good
[17:21] <apparle> I prefer kate for its sensiblity in simplicity....... no better text editor than kate
[17:22] <James147> apparle: and has more features then any other text editor i have seen, even vi input mode which is nice
[17:23] <apparle> James147: I never used vi... but hats off to kate...
[17:24] <James147> apparle: vi can be nice, if you take the time to learn how to use it... very powerful but a very large learning curve :S
[17:37] <maddin> hey guys
[17:38] <maddin> is here someone knowing what to do with soundproblems
[17:38] <maddin> ?
[17:38] <James147> !sound | maddin
[17:40] <maddin> kay thx already tried to solve the problem by searching in forums
[17:40] <mfraz74> what sound problems?
[17:40] <maddin> kubuntu 9.10 drivers for the soundchip are loaded
[17:40] <maddin> no soundtest works
[17:41] <maddin> root@oichl:/home/martin# cat /proc/asound/cards
[17:41] <maddin>  0 [Intel          ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
[17:41] <maddin>                       HDA Intel at 0xf9ff8000 irq 22
[17:46] <maddin> root@oichl:/home/martin# aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Left.wav
[17:46] <maddin> No protocol specified
[17:46] <maddin> XOpenDisplay() fehlgeschlagen
[17:46] <maddin> No protocol specified
[17:46] <maddin> XOpenDisplay() fehlgeschlagen
[17:46] <FloodBotK1> maddin: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:46] <maddin> Wiedergabe Wave '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Left.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Samplingrate: 48000 Hz, Mono
[17:48] <maddin> sry is it wrong to paste something with enter?
[17:49] <phoenix_> i am trying to compile my first hello world program using cmake, it is giving me some error, is there a channel for kde programming?
[17:50] <yaroslav_> Всем привет
[17:50] <moetunes> maddin: there's a topic at the top off the page when you enter here - you should paste it to  http://paste.ubuntu.com
[17:50] <phoenix_> i am trying to compile my first hello world program using cmake, it is giving me some error, is there a channel for kde programming?
[17:51] <maddin> okay than putting it in like this?
[17:53] <moetunes> phoenix_: there's #programming iirc
[17:53] <phoenix_> moetunes: ty
[17:53] <moetunes> np
[17:53] <maddin> okay http://paste.ubuntu.com/408199/
[17:55] <moetunes> maddin: looks like it played ok - got no sound from it?
[17:55] <maddin> no
[17:56] <moetunes> maddin: in konsole do   alsamixer   and is everything turned up?
[17:57] <maddin> turned up
[17:57] <maddin> if i press the sound controll buttons on my keyboard 100%
[17:58] <maddin> master 100%
[17:58] <maddin> in alsamixer
[17:58] <moetunes> maddin: try pcm instead of master
[17:59] <vHanda> Does anyone know of a way I can get an exact replica of my OS as a live cd(I actually want to load it on a pendrive), with all the software it has right now?
[17:59] <maddin> how can i change pcm-sound?
[17:59] <moetunes> maddin: in the sound applet choose pcm not master
[17:59] <maddin> yes in alsamixer
[17:59] <maddin> and then
[18:00] <maddin> i tried to scroll it up
[18:00] <maddin> but nothin happens
[18:00] <maddin> a now
[18:00] <maddin> keyboard
[18:00] <maddin> pcm 100%
[18:00] <maddin> kay
[18:00] <moetunes> vHanda: try bootcd
[18:00] <buckfast> Why isnt jdownloader in the ubuntu/debian repos?
[18:00] <moetunes> !info bootcd
[18:01] <vHanda> moetunes: All right, thanks. I'll try it out.
[18:02] <maddin> moetunes: same error http://paste.ubuntu.com/408209/
[18:02] <moetunes> maddin: in konsole   lspci   and paste the sound card line
[18:03] <maddin> moetunes: here it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/408210/
[18:05] <maddin> moetunes: soundcardline 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controlle
[18:05] <moetunes> maddin: having a google now
[18:08] <moetunes> maddin: search returned scratchy sound probs but not anyhting about it not working...
[18:08] <slavc> hi, i installed kubuntu 9.10. everything works ok, only problem i have is with lugitech bluetooth mouse, which is not recognized. What do i need to do to make it work? Any suggestions?
[18:09] <maddin> moetunes: that means
[18:09] <moetunes> slavc: try this -  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[18:10] <moetunes> maddin: I'm outta ideas - I never have sound issues so my debbuggung skills are limited there
[18:10] <slavc> moetunes: thx
[18:10] <moetunes> np
[18:18] <slavc> moetunes: none of the suggested commands on that link show the mouse
[18:18] <moetunes> slavc: sorry but apart from that link I know nothing about bluetooth
[18:19] <giacomo> ciao
[18:19] <moetunes> maybe someone else will speak up...
[18:19] <giacomo> !list
[18:19] <moetunes> giacomo: try /list
[18:20] <maddin> moetunes: thx anyway
[18:27] <Hazamonzo> Hey folks. Im looking for some CPU temperature monitoring software for Kubuntu... thoughts?
[18:28] <moetunes> !sensors > Hazamonzo
[18:28] <Hazamonzo> Thankyou!
[18:29] <kristoffer_> _> hellu, i am at the gathering....... and i need to use dc++ i have downloaded it. but i dont know what i shall do.... can anyone help me?
[18:33] <moetunes> kristoffer_: there is #programming iirc
[18:34] <kristoffer_> how do i open it?
[18:35] <moetunes> kristoffer_: /j #programming
[18:35] <cuznt> kristoffer if it is not in your menu you mught have to restart
[18:35] <cuznt> also dc++ did not work well for me. OI have kubuntu 64 but
[18:35] <cuznt> so i had to use jucy dc++
[18:55] <slavc> moetunes: i found the solution here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=316358&highlight=toshiba+phoenix+bluetooth
[18:56] <slavc> now bluetooth is working
[18:56] <moetunes> well done slavc :)
[18:57] <slavc> though the svn is now git, everything else working as said there
[19:45] <swat-graph> 'soir
[19:49] <Ahmed\> Hello
[19:49] <Ahmed\> command apt-get clean doesnt work shows an error of permission denied ? WHY
[19:50] <pal0bre> Ahmed\: did you type sudo apt-get clean
[19:50] <Ahmed\> oopsss
[19:50] <Ahmed\> sorry :$
[19:50] <moetunes> hehe :)
[19:51] <Ahmed\> doesn't work still tried by root too
[19:51] <paul2141556645> hi, can anyone help me get my sound back in ubuntu? i exhausted all the advice on google for 2h now
[19:52] <Ahmed\> i didn't get any error now but doesnt work either like stays there and thats it
[19:52] <pal0bre> then try sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb
[19:53] <Ahmed\> rm: cannot remove `/var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb': No such file or directory
[19:53] <James147> Ahmed\: dose "ls /var/cache/apt/archives/" give any output?
[19:54] <Ahmed\> Oh GOD, thank GOODNESS James is here
[19:54] <Ahmed\> Yeah its saying lock partial
[19:54] <Ahmed\> :)
[19:54] <Ahmed\> No such file or directory
[19:55] <Ahmed\> nope !
[19:55] <paul2141556645> can anyone help out a bit?
[19:55] <James147> Ahmed\: and "ls /var/cache/apt/" ?
[19:55] <pal0bre> Ahmed\: than try to open that directory with your file manager
[19:56] <Ahmed\> archives  pkgcache.bin  srcpkgcache.bin
[19:57] <James147> Ahmed\: ... its looks like its there:S try "ls /var/cache/apt/archives"  again
[19:58] <Ahmed\> :~$ ls /var/cache/apt/archives
[19:58] <Ahmed\> lock  partial
[19:59] <James147> Ahmed\:  looks like it worked... why do you think "sudo apt-get clean" didnt work?
[20:00] <Ahmed\> Cause James
[20:00] <Ahmed\> it doesnt shows a thing i mean cause its nothing to clean
[20:00] <Ahmed\> ?
[20:01] <James147> apt-get clean dosn't output anything on success
[20:01] <James147> like alot of nix commands
[20:01] <Ahmed\> oh really @_@
[20:01] <James147> unix ^^
[20:01] <Ahmed\> But what does it remove ?
[20:01] <James147> Ahmed\: all the *.deb files from /var/cache/apt/archives
[20:02] <Ahmed\> unix now what exactly is Unix :) had enough of Linux im not gonna switch to WIndows ever again
[20:02] <Ahmed\> but what are those files for ?
[20:02] <James147> Ahmed\: they are the files that apt-get, aptitude or anyother packagemanagment program downloads before it installs them
[20:02] <Ahmed\> so they are installers ?
[20:02] <Ahmed\> and thats how you can remove it ?
[20:03] <James147> Ahmed\: they contain the program and resources that the programs need, but you dont need the .deb once the program in installed
[20:04] <Ahmed\> ohh
[20:04] <Ahmed\> man i can't really install realplayer i tried a lot
[20:04] <James147> Ahmed\: to remove a program you should use apt-get or aptitude (or other packagmanagment program) to remove them
[20:04] <Ahmed\> installer broken i mean i am on 64 bit
[20:05] <Ahmed\> BRB
[20:07] <James147> Ahmed\: http://www.real.com/realplayer/linux <- download the DEB and when its done click on it in dolphin
[20:08] <Ahmed\> okay wait
[20:08] <dbc254> when I boot up, I always have to click on my desktop, and OK my desktop photo before it's visible. What's wrong?
[20:08] <Ahmed\> i am on Gnome will i have to switch ?
[20:08] <James147> Ahmed\: shouldn't you should be able to click on it in and file manager...
[20:09] <Ahmed\> i have downloaded it
[20:10] <Ahmed\> and those very same files
[20:10] <Ahmed\> but should i try on dolphin ?
[20:10] <Ahmed\> on KDE ?
[20:10] <James147> dbc254: what version of kde are you using and what type of wall paper (image?)
[20:10] <James147> Ahmed\: it doesn't matter what file manager you use...
[20:11] <Ahmed\> but it always shows up broken
[20:11] <Ahmed\> lets see
[20:11] <James147> Ahmed\: I suggest dolphin because this is #kubuntu and its the default for most ppl, #ubuntu is for gnome
[20:11] <dbc254> it's a .jpg of my motorcycle. and I'm using the latest-n-greatest. Just did and apt-get upgrade
[20:11] <Ahmed\> James what's the best thing you finds in Linix :) lemme know that and WHY :)
[20:12] <James147> dbc254: tell me the version anyway :) dont know if your on 4.3.x or 4.4.x :)
[20:12] <Ahmed\> DOwnloaded realplayer
[20:12] <Ahmed\> now what
[20:12] <dbc254> um, how can I tell?
[20:12] <James147> dbc254:  any kde program -> help -> about kde
[20:13] <phoenix_> hello james
[20:13] <James147> phoenix_: Hey
[20:13] <phoenix_> i have successfully installed vlc 1.0.5
[20:13] <James147> :)
[20:14] <Ahmed\> JAMES i have downloaded
[20:14] <Ahmed\> :)
[20:14] <James147> Ahmed\: then click on it in a filemanager ...
[20:14] <Ahmed\> whats that now
[20:14] <Ahmed\> i mean gDebi /
[20:14] <Ahmed\> ?
[20:14] <James147> yes
[20:14] <dbc254> 4.3.2
[20:15] <Ahmed\> Error: Wrong architecture 'i386'
[20:15] <Ahmed\> same
[20:15] <Ahmed\> hhhhhhhhhhh
[20:15] <Ahmed\> sick of it
[20:15] <Eruaran> Ahmed\: What are you trying to do?
[20:15] <Eruaran> (I only just joined a minute ago)
[20:15] <Ahmed\> trying to INSTALL REALPLAYER 11 deb
[20:16] <Eruaran> ok
[20:16] <Ahmed\> i have installer but shows en error
[20:16] <Ahmed\> Error: Wrong architecture 'i386'
[20:16] <James147> dbc254: :) what type of wall paper are use useing? (right click desktop -> desktop (activity?) settings -> Wall paper -> "type") is image, slideshow or something?
[20:16] <Eruaran> Ahmed\: Are you using 32Bit or 64Bit Kubuntu?
[20:17] <Ahmed\> 64 bit on Gnome KDE 4.4
[20:17] <dbc254> James I did that, but when I boot up, it's like my system has to be retold each time where my /home is???
[20:17] <Ahmed\> currently on Gnome
[20:17] <Eruaran> Ahmed\: You may have downloaded the wrong version of RealPlayer
[20:17] <Ahmed\> hhhhhhhhh
[20:17] <Ahmed\> I tried every version HUH three
[20:17] <Eruaran> Ahmed\: What do you want RealPlayer for anyway? ;)
[20:18] <Ahmed\> i like it so at least plays 3gp
[20:18] <Ahmed\> HHHHHHHHHH
[20:18] <dbc254> I have a soundclip set to play upon bootup also, but it doesn't work unless I click on my home directory. Then it loads those folders, and the sound plays. If I don't, no sound, and no desktop pic of my motorcycle
[20:18] <James147> Ahmed\: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RealPlayerInstallationMethods#64-bit RealPlayer
[20:18] <Eruaran> Ahmed\: 3gp?
[20:18] <Ahmed\> Phone's format video :)
[20:18] <Eruaran> Ahmed\: ah ok
[20:18] <Ahmed\> which recently turned into MP4
[20:19] <James147> dbc254: so you have it set to image (just trying to make sure)
[20:19] <iconmefisto> Ahmed\: vlc should play 3gp
[20:19] <dbc254> yes
[20:19] <Eruaran> Ahmed\: the link James147 gave you should be helpful... Though have you tried VLC?
[20:20] <Ahmed\> i have VLC
[20:20] <Ahmed\> yes it shows the same its for 32 bit HUH
[20:20] <Eruaran> Ahmed\: Did you install VLC with the package manager?
[20:20] <Ahmed\> yeah
[20:21] <Eruaran> Ahmed\: Then it should be the correct version
[20:21] <James147> dbc254: could you pastebin the contents of ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc
[20:22] <Ahmed\> it says no realplayer for 64
[20:22] <Eruaran> Ahmed\: VLC or MPlayer should play 3gp
[20:22] <Ahmed\> yeah they do
[20:22] <Ahmed\> NO VOICE
[20:22] <Ahmed\> :)
[20:23] <FloodBotK1> Ahmed\: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:23] <Eruaran> ?
[20:23] <Ahmed\> it play but
[20:23] <Ahmed\> no voice
[20:23] <Eruaran> Ahmed\: Do you get sound if you try to play videos on YouTube and things like that?
[20:24] <Ahmed\> yeah it works so well fine i mean i have all videos and codecs well installed
[20:24] <James147> Ahmed\: does anything produce sound?
[20:24] <James147> mn
[20:24] <Eruaran> Ahmed\: Ok, just making sure you didn't have a different problem.
[20:24] <James147> nm
[20:25] <James147> !restricted
[20:25] <Ahmed\> umm
[20:25] <dbc254> james found the file, but how do you pastebin?
[20:25] <James147> Ahmed\: have you followed those guides?
[20:25] <James147> !pastebin | dbc254
[20:25] <Ahmed\> I did like 3 times
[20:26] <Ahmed\> HEY now i can see it on synaptic
[20:26] <Ahmed\> lemme download
[20:26] <Ahmed\> thanks guys that site helped
[20:26] <Ahmed\> BRB
[20:26] <dbc254> !pastebin | dbc254
[20:27] <James147> Ahmed\: try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=178455
[20:28] <Guest99847> hey guys kubuntu .. does it like ATI Gfx adapters
[20:29] <Eruaran> Ahmed\: Looks like the link James147 just posted might do the trick.
[20:29] <Guest99847> ...
[20:29] <Guest99847> please
[20:29] <Ahmed\> Back
[20:30] <Ahmed\> yes it did help
[20:30] <Ahmed\> i gotta install something to get thrid party softwares
[20:30] <Ahmed\> not this but previous link
[20:30] <James147> Guest99847: Dont think there are too many problems with the ati graphics cards, but I dont use them so cant be sure
[20:35] <James147> dbc254: have to placed it on pastebin yet?
[20:36] <dbc254> can't pastebin
[20:36] <James147> dbc254: why not?
[20:42] <James147> dbc254: you could try renaming it loging out and back in (will reset your desktop) then try changing the wallpaper and see if that works
[20:58] <AngryRoey> hi
[20:58] <AngryRoey> question about Broadcomm wi-fi drivers:  I have a Dell Inspiron 1564.  I have seen a few threads about it (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=948475) but I do not understand which packages I need to install.  I tried bwcml-kernel-source, but I don't see that the laptop recognizes the wireless card.    Can anyone help me?  I'm using Kubuntu 10.04.  Can anyone help me?
[21:00] <James147> AngryRoey: Could try on #ubuntu+1 for lucid (10.04)
[21:00] <Lord-Rahl> anyone know what the menue editer is called
[21:01] <James147> Lord-Rahl: kmenueditor
[21:01] <Lord-Rahl> thanks :)
[21:01] <James147> LeeJunFan: kmenuedit sorry
[21:01] <James147> LeeJunFan: sorry :)
[21:02] <AngryRoey> James147, I'm there, thanks
[21:14] <Ahmed\> Is there is anything such as wavepad for ubunty ?
[21:14] <Ahmed\> ubuntu
[21:15] <Mahara> Ahmed\: Audacity
[21:15] <Lord-Rahl> ? I have kde netbook remix how do i remove icons in the netbook plasmode
[21:16] <Ahmed\> lemme try dude
[21:16] <Ahmed\> this lookslike wavepad
[21:17] <Ahmed\> :)
[21:17] <Mahara> Ahmed\: also have a look at  http://alternativeto.net/desktop/audacity/?platform=linux&sort=likes && http://www.osalt.com/ && http://www.linuxalt.com/ , they present lots of alternatives
[21:17] <James147> Lord-Rahl: which icons?
[21:17] <Lord-Rahl> kblue trimetraker under the Search and Launch setion
[21:18] <Lord-Rahl> in the widgets
[21:19] <Ahmed\> James i gotta question :)
[21:19] <James147> Ahmed\: sorry, my comps seems to be crashing :s brb :p
[21:21] <Ahmed\> OKa
[21:21] <Ahmed\> Okay
[21:22] <James147> better :)
[21:22] <Ahmed\> ohh
[21:22] <Ahmed\> welcome back
[21:23] <Lord-Rahl> no takers
[21:23] <James147> Lord-Rahl: the icons on the top of the search and launch screen? or one ones that apeare as you search for things?
[21:25] <Lord-Rahl> not the fav menu if you do a fresh reboot you come to the main page it has Contacts, Bookmarks, Office so on.. Hoe do i remove like Contacts, Bookmarks
[21:26] <Ahmed\> anything easier i mean sound editing software  apart from audacity :) JAMES
[21:28] <James147> Lord-Rahl: ahh, not sure about them :S
[21:29] <Ahmed\> JAMES147: any software for sound editing just for editing :)
[21:31] <amorphous_> I have a problem with apt-get update - it wont connect - seems to want to connect to my local router..? can anyone here help me - have tried loads but dont want to clog up in here with it unless there's wiling help here...
[21:32] <Ahmed\> try using it @root
[21:33] <roey_> hi
[21:33] <Ahmed\> hi
[21:33] <Ahmed\> roey
[21:33] <roey_> hola Ahmed\
[21:33] <roey_> question about broadcomm wl driver:
[21:33] <roey_> I have it loaded
[21:33] <roey_> from bootup0
[21:33] <roey_> *bootup
[21:33] <roey_>  but when I try to 'scan' for networks with KDE's applet,
[21:33] <roey_> I get nothing
[21:33] <roey_> why?
[21:33] <Ahmed\> tell me any good audio editor software like wavepad in windows
[21:33] <Ahmed\> HUH
[21:34] <Ahmed\> Ask James
[21:34] <roey_> James147:  hi
[21:34] <roey_> Riddell:  hola!
[21:34] <Mahara> huh?
[21:35] <roey_> ?
[21:35] <amorphous_> is there a reason why apt-get update would be "unable to connect to <IP_ADDRESS>" when trying to contact the repositories. I dont seem to have any proxy set up and no resolv.conf file...
[21:36] <James147> roey_: when you run "iwlist wlan0 scan" dose it list anything (replace wlan0 with your device
[21:36] <roey_> ah one sec
[21:36] <Ahmed\> James, Please tell me any good audio editing software @_@
[21:37] <roey_> roey@aux:~$ iwlist eth1 scan
[21:37] <roey_> eth1      Interface doesn't support scanning.
[21:37] <zeltak> hya guys, any one knows how to create a hotkey in kde to bring a prog to focus and in front?
[21:37] <roey_> James147:  when I did iwconfig I saw 'eth1' listed there as an 802.11 devie
[21:37] <roey_> *device
[21:37] <amorphous_> is there a reason why apt-get update would be "unable to connect to <IP_ADDRESS>" when trying to contact the repositories. I dont seem to have any proxy set up and no resolv.conf file...
[21:37] <amorphous_> sorry!
[21:37] <James147> Ahmed\: I don't know that answer to everything, ask if I know I will say... if I don't answer assume i don't know
[21:37] <amorphous_> ahmed - audacity
[21:37] <Ahmed\> Okay
[21:37] <Mahara> Ahmed\: I already told you and provided you with the links necessary to find more
[21:37] <Ahmed\> i have installed that any other please :) beside audacity
[21:38] <James147> roey_: it could be eth1 :)
[21:38] <roey_> ok :)
[21:38] <roey_> James147: aight :)  So what's the meaning of the return message I got?
[21:39] <roey_> eth1      Interface doesn't support scanning.
[21:39] <roey_> roey@aux:~$ sudo iwlist eth1 scan
[21:39] <roey_> eth1      Failed to read scan data : Invalid argument
[21:39] <amorphous_> ahmed ardour?
[21:39] <roey_> James147: tried it with sudo too, but got the above
[21:39] <Eruaran> zeltak: You can create a new hotkey or keyboard shortcut in System Settings > Computer Administration: Input Actions
[21:41] <James147> roey_: whats the output of iwconfig?
[21:41] <James147> !pastebin | roey_
[21:42] <zeltak> thx Eruaran i did that but my problem is how to make it bring to front a specific program (amarok lets say)
[21:42] <zeltak> i dont want to launch amarok again just make it focused and in front, is there a way to do that?
[21:42] <roey_> James147:  http://pastebin.com/i5tHTXZc
[21:43] <roey_> James147:  (disclaimer, I've been using linux since '98 ;)
[21:43] <James147> roey_: :)
[21:43] <roey_> James147: (so you can talk to me freely)
[21:43] <roey_> :)
[21:43] <roey_> grr broadcom
[21:44] <Eruaran> zeltak: hmm
[21:45] <Eruaran> zeltak: I'd look in the window/app config > icon at extreme left of title bar
[21:45] <Eruaran> zeltak: click and go to advanced
[21:46] <zeltak> hmmm ok but how can i bind such action?
[21:46] <Eruaran> zeltak: special application settings
[21:46] <Eruaran> zeltak: I dunno, but you can config Amarok to always be front an centre when you click on it in the system tray
[21:47] <zeltak> yeah i know i just wanted to bind diffrent applications to different keys for quick acess but i guess thats complicated
[21:47] <zeltak> thx anyway Eruaran for the help!
[21:47] <roey_> James147:  so I gave the output...
[21:48] <Eruaran> zeltak: yeah I'm not sure... if there isn't a way, let one of the KDE devs know... surely there's a way to make a way even if there wasn't previously a way... :P
[21:48] <James147> roey_: :S seen it, not entirly sure why it wont scan though
[21:48] <roey_> btw what does :S signify
[21:48] <roey_> hrmph
[21:48] <roey_> like that?
[21:49] <James147> roey_: confusion mostly :p
[21:49] <zeltak> kk thx Eruaran ill try the kde channel
[21:49] <roey_> James147:  thanks for teaching me that :)
[21:49] <roey_> I  need that
[21:49] <Eruaran> zeltak: Or just use alt+tab ;)
[21:50] <zeltak> hehe alt-tab is to slow ;-0
[21:50] <Eruaran> :O
[21:50] <Eruaran> lol
[21:50] <zeltak> especially when you have like 20 progs open :)
[21:50] <Eruaran> ahah I see your point
[21:53] <James147> zeltak: Alt+F3 in the application -> advanced -> Spical Application settings -> Preferences -> "Shoutcut"  <<- that what you looking for>?
[21:54] <zeltak> on sec
[21:54] <James147> zeltak: dosent work when amarok is in the sys tray (and dosent ahve a window open) but will bring it to the front if it is open
[21:54] <roey_> hi mamarok
[21:54] <roey_> ltns
[21:55] <Eruaran> zeltak: I think I might have the answer... just a sec lemme test
[21:55] <zeltak> yeah exactly what i wanted :) thx alot James147
[21:55] <zeltak> ahh shame about the amarok thing but works well with konsole :)
[21:55] <zeltak> Eruaran: you have an alternative way?
[21:56] <James147> zeltak: Also the krunner has a plugin that allows you to switch to opened windows by typeing their title
[21:56] <zeltak> thx James147 but thats to cumbersome for me (plus i use kupfer..highly recommend it guys :))
[21:57] <Eruaran> zeltak: nah use what James147 said :P
[21:57] <zeltak> kk thx alot guys..appriciate it :)
[21:58] <roey_> ack
[21:58] <roey_> can't d0o this anymore
[21:58] <roey_> fuck broadcom
[21:58] <roey_> fuck nvidia\
[21:58] <FloodBotK1> roey_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:58] <Eruaran> zeltak: There is also a way to have a shortcut to Amarok if it is not open: right click Kickstart menu and choose menu editor... find Amarok and click the advanced tab... down the bottom you will see you can set a shortcut key
[21:59] <Eruaran> KDE is win
[21:59] <Eruaran> KDE = awesomeness
[22:01] <roey_> Riddell, when do you think canonical will devote more to making KDE a first-class citizen like GNOME?  I keep hearing about how "much better" openSUSE is and I wonder what the difference is
[22:01] <roey_> KDE has papercuts
[22:01] <roey_> all over the place
[22:01] <roey_> that said
[22:01] <roey_> It's  been my desktop for ten years now
[22:01] <corsairs> I have used suse and Mandriva and Kubuntu, they are all pretty good
[22:02] <corsairs> big differences i have found is the control centers and sources
[22:02] <ubuntu_> people moan about kubuntu because ubuntu gets much more attantion but it's just a pretty standard kde install
[22:02] <corsairs> Suse and Mandriva have had many years with their Yast and MCC to get them working good
[22:03] <Eruaran> I've been using Kubuntu since 2005. Canonical has never given it the love it deserves. The goodness in the latest version of Kubuntu is mostly thanks to the community, especially the KDE community.
[22:03] <roey_> I like kubuntu but this is infuriating:  every instruction for ubuntu I find on the web gives you a click-through guide...FOR UBUNTU.  There's no command-line admin guide (at least, they seldom appear near the top of Google's search results page).
[22:03] <corsairs> Kubuntu is much like ubuntu that you sometimes have to go tweak conf files
[22:04] <Eruaran> I think Kubuntu is on the right track now
[22:04]  * ubuntu_ dislikes yast and mcc, centralised controlls always seam like a compromise, each tool should have it's own configuration tool (or not) rather than a 1/2 way mess of yast/etc
[22:04] <corsairs> i do like the progress kubuntu is making between the last 2 versions
[22:04] <roey_> ok
[22:04] <roey_> I'm going
[22:04] <roey_> ciao
[22:04] <roey_> and thanks all
[22:04] <RiotingPacifist> ^the above statement was mine nothing to do with ubuntu/canonical
[22:04] <FloodBotK1> roey_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:05] <Eruaran> Some decisions made meant Kubuntu had a rough time last year but they were worthwhile in the long term.
[22:05] <Eruaran> Things like adopting KDE4 early on, and the switch to KPackageKit yield long term benefits.
[22:05] <RiotingPacifist> can i use flgrx on a liveCD
[22:06] <roey_> I mean I like the Kubuntu devels (Jonathan riddell is great) and I just wish canonical would accord kubuntu some more importance than what I have seen in the past
[22:06] <roey_> ciao :)
[22:06] <corsairs> ive used Mandriva for years so have gotten very used to mcc and rpmdrake, the suse platform is good just they differ from the RH platform enough that it takes me a while longer to find files that needed editing
[22:06] <Eruaran> roey_: Maybe if they make more money Canonical will give Jonathan Riddle a pay rise and a couple of helpers ;)
[22:07] <roey_> eristikophiles, is he the only kubuntu dev at canonical??
[22:07] <RiotingPacifist> roey_: why? kde gets a lot of plain upstream development, gnomes development is much more fragmented distro depended i don't see why canonical should do more, i mean shuttleworth is already a huge donator to KDE foundation
[22:07] <corsairs> been playing with Kubuntu in vbox to check it out and learn it more
[22:07] <roey_> RiotingPacifist, there have been articles upon articles about this subject
[22:08] <roey_> anyway
[22:08] <Eruaran> RiotingPacifist has a good point.
[22:08] <RiotingPacifist> roey_: I think he was the only kde specific dev a while ago, lower changes (network-manager, etc) are shared between DEs (ofc there are problems that they only test the changes against ubuntu not kubuntu, but thats a communication problem IMHO not a funding one)
[22:08] <roey_> RiotingPacifist, don't get me wrong, I am in love with kde, and I am happy that kubuntu exists
[22:09] <roey_> ah
[22:09] <roey_> I don't know about funding
[22:09] <roey_> it sometimes seems like Ubuntu proper is a completely different world
[22:09] <roey_> with its own GUI tools
[22:10] <roey_> and because of that, the procedures and methods illustrated in the on-line ubuntu guides don't necessarily map to kubuntu
[22:12] <RiotingPacifist> I prefer kubuntu to stay closer to upstream, writing your own tools seams like a workaround when really improvements should be made upstream (but that is just my option)
[22:12] <roey_> that's not what I meant though;
[22:13] <roey_> like,
[22:13] <roey_> I
[22:13] <roey_> I acknowledge that gnome and kde have different ways of doing things.
[22:13] <roey_> I just want to see online guides for Kubuntu thatare as detailed as those for Ubuntu.;
[22:13] <roey_> because when all I have to go by are guides for Ubuntu,
[22:14] <roey_> it is *I* who has to map these procedures and methods back to my Kubuntu machine\
[22:14] <roey_> anyway
[22:14] <roey_> fuck gnome.
[22:14] <roey_> ciao :)
[22:14] <FloodBotK1> roey_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:14] <Eruaran> James147: Those advanced settings for windows and apps are awesome... I tried making a shortcut for Amarok and it works nicely
[22:20] <James147> Eruaran: :D
[22:24] <zus> James147, that update you gave me the other night, worked for me  thank you
[22:25] <zus> anyone use VLC?  how can i use it to make a video or movie a wallpaper like i see on youtube? although its mostly windows videos the settings should be the same right preferences and setting up the wallpaper options...
[22:29] <Eruaran> zus: You mean like take a snapshot?
[22:31] <zus> Eruaran,  the back ground wallpaper was the movie..or video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo9s4aBLbCg&feature=related
[22:31] <zus> like i said i  know many of the videos are for windows but its vlc isnt that the same program as in linux?
[22:34] <zus> i never knew vlc could even do that, windows or not its neat though.
[22:34] <Eruaran> zus: Oh i c what you mean
[22:34] <Eruaran> zus: Same program yes but DirectX applies to Windows only
[22:35] <Eruaran> zus: I'm just having a look at how the Linux version differs...
[22:36] <zus> Eruaran, so with out directX the feature isnt available?  me too im looking now
[22:37] <zus> Eruaran,  i dont have a playlist button up by tools, its in the dropdown menus though way in there but even still there certain options i  aint got.
[22:37] <Eruaran> zus: I'm not sure, I'm looking at my VLC right now
[22:39] <zus> i dont have anything to set as a wall paper
[22:42] <zus> Eruaran,  no biggie really would have been  nice, as a eyecandy feature and a brilliant discovery. i rarely use vlc so i thought id look around in youtube on thigns about it
[22:43] <Eruaran> zus: Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLVSaqvshRc
[22:43] <zus> Eruaran,  brb watching it now
[22:44] <zus> Eruaran,  no audio or is it just me?
[22:44] <Eruaran> zus: KDE allows for different settings for your desktop activities, so its a feature that though not yet default in KDE is an easy plugin that allows you to set video as wallpaper in KDE... VLC doesn't need the feature on Linux it seems.
[22:44] <Eruaran> zus: I don't think the video has audio
[22:45] <Eruaran> zus: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2009/09/19/video-for-your-desktop/
[22:45] <zus> Eruaran,  by activities you mean when i zoom out and the desktop opens to all four? thus having  4 (for a cube ) zooming out i can have 16 activites?
[22:46] <Eruaran> zus: yes, if you have a different activity set for each desktop
[22:46] <Eruaran> zus: which means in KDE you could have a different video playing for each desktop if you want to go crazy with it :P
[22:47] <zus> Eruaran,  brilliant! how do i set that? i'd rather the option of activities before i have animated wallpapers )
[22:47]  * zus smiles wide
[22:47] <zus> why did't i spend the last 4 months on kubuntu?
[22:48] <zus> brb
[22:48] <Eruaran> zus: Go to System Settings > Desktop > Multiple Desktops
[22:49] <Eruaran> zus: Tick the checkbox which says "Different activity for each desktop"
[22:50] <Eruaran> zus: To quickly check its enabled, change your wallpaper and then zoom out your desktops - the one you changed should now have a different wallpaper than the others
[22:57] <TemplarKnight> Sorry, which was the name of the effect that lets you zoom out to see your desktops?
[22:59] <TemplarKnight> I found it! Desktop grid... Thanx
[23:01] <the_wave3> hi, i know this is a not-kubutu question but i don't knwo where to turn for more information/help.
[23:01] <the_wave3> i use a isdn connection (with a billion isdn tiny usb modem) and it works fine for one computer.
[23:01] <the_wave3> the other computers can not use it so i wanted a isdn-router - they sold me a linksys wag120n.
[23:01] <the_wave3> the cover says ADSL but they asured me, that it can use isdn. i started to read about isdn, adsl and all this stuff,
[23:01] <the_wave3> but i got confused.
[23:01] <FloodBotK1> the_wave3: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:01] <the_wave3> what is this adsl-over-isdn?
[23:07] <zus> Eruaran,  now my widgets and stuff went away...
[23:08] <James147> zus: on all desktops? or are they hiding on one?
[23:09] <zus> Eruaran,  never mind i see haha, neat... seems as if though my main desktop wasnt the one displayed after i clicked "different activity for each desktop"
[23:11] <Eruaran> zus: yeah sometimes you have to put those back but its cool
[23:17] <larsivi> would anyone know why I don't get actual desktop effects from alt+tab? it just brings the next window to the top
[23:19] <James147> larsivi: what kde version?
[23:20] <larsivi> James147: 4.4.2 now, but I've had this issue with most 4.x installs I've had
[23:21] <James147> larsivi: System settings -> Desktop -> Desktop effects -> General | Are effects enabled and what effect is under "Effects for window switching?
[23:22] <larsivi> James147: yes, and I've tried them all :)
[23:22] <James147> larsivi: Do other effects work?
[23:22] <larsivi> James147: I had it working on one of my installs, and I have no idea what was different there
[23:23] <larsivi> James147: shadows and highlighting of windows work fine at least, I'm not really into most of it
[23:25] <James147> larsivi: hmm
[23:25] <larsivi> James147: could this have something to do with the hardware driver I'm using? currently the xorg-something-ati (not fglrx since I'm on lucid)
[23:25] <James147> larsivi: have you just been upgrading since you had this issue?
[23:25] <larsivi> kde just told me I couldn't explode my windows for example
[23:26] <James147> larsivi: possibally
[23:26] <zus> is there a away of changeing desktop side? alt KP1 or alt KP2 etc?
[23:26] <larsivi> James147: this is a new laptop, so I've only tried lucid on it sofar
[23:26] <James147> zus: desktop side?
[23:28] <James147> larsivi: is probally a driver issue if some of the other effects dont work, but i ma not sure, you could try #ubuntu+1  (for lucid)
[23:30] <zus> James147,  i change the 2 to 4 desktops for the cube...
[23:31] <James147> zus: ok, but what are you trying to do?
[23:34] <zus> James147,  not use my mouse to change desktops
[23:35] <James147> zus: ahh :) alt +F1... alt + F2 ... etc, you can change the keys in system settings -> Keyboard & mouse -> Global Keyboard Shortcuts
[23:36] <James147> zus: ^^ kde compoent: KWin   --    you can also set to a shutcut for "next desktop" (and previous)
[23:36] <James147> zus: sorry, ctrl not alt
[23:37] <James147> zus: ctrl + F1-N
[23:39] <zus> James147,  thanks.
[23:41] <zus> James147,  seems like ctrl f2 is where the main desktop is? when i hit ctrl f1 it changes and nothing i son it.
[23:42] <zus> is that in fact the default ?
[23:42] <James147> zus: your "main" desktop might be desktop 2?
[23:43] <James147> zus: by default C^F1 will take you to the first desktop, C^F2 to the second
[23:45] <zus> James147, i  noticed that it'll be some getting used to then.