[01:39] <Budgie^Smore> are we having fun yet?
[01:40] <rick_h> Budgie^Smore: but of course
[06:56] <kjackal> Good morning Juju world!
[07:10] <erik_lonroth_> kwmonroe: No, its stuck in "configuring spark in yarn client mode" and some of the spark tests included in the actions of the bundle fails related to spark. I'll try post it again soon as this is really close to work for us.
[07:29] <kjackal> hi erik_lonroth_ based on https://github.com/apache/bigtop/blob/master/bigtop-packages/src/charm/spark/layer-spark/reactive/spark.py#L167 in the juju logs you should be seeing something like that  "Configuring spark with deployment matrix" can you share this so we know why is the charm trying to do?
[08:05] <boolman> how do juju choose which IP to use as dns/agent-address? on my deployment it uses the wrong one and I end up with nodes that are unreachable
[08:27] <kjackal> boolman: I do not think you have a control over the IP unless you use the manual provider (aka create the machine/unit yourself and then add it to juju). There is however the concept of network spaces: https://jujucharms.com/docs/1.25/wip-spaces
[08:27] <kjackal> Havent used spaces myself but could help you specify your network requirements
[08:28] <kjackal> boolman: sorry this is the right url for spaces: https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.1/network-spaces
[08:39] <boolman> kjackal: the problem I'm having is that I have nodes with 4-5 subnets/vlans and I have no real control over what IP the juju agent gets. so You're saying that I need to configure the nodes myself? via curtain for example
[08:40] <kjackal> boolman: I think you should try configuring network spaces
[08:40] <boolman> I have configured network spaces, or what do you mean by that?
[08:41] <boolman> I have 1 space per purpose
[08:42] <kjackal> boolman: awesome, when deploying with the network space constraint you get an IP from a subnet you donot want?
[08:43] <boolman> where do I specify constraint, on the machine or on the services/units?
[08:43] <boolman> but does that actually force the subnet on which the juju agent uses?
[08:43] <kjackal> boolman: you should be able to do something like "juju deploy mediawiki -n 2 --constraints spaces=cms"
[08:46] <boolman> I'm not sure if I follow, on the services I'm configuring binding: space: myspace and I guess thats working. but since the nodes get the wrong DNS/IP the agents are unreachable
[08:47] <boolman> so its not deploying shit right now
[08:49] <boolman> if I delete that interface on the node, it chooses another random ip/subnet
[08:55] <kjackal> boolman: can you show me how you created the network spaces?
[08:55] <boolman> they are created from maas
[08:57] <kjackal> I see... so juju list-spaces and juju list-subnets gets you anything?
[08:58] <boolman> http://ix.io/xvt
[09:02] <kjackal> ok so if you do a "juju deploy mediawiki --constraints spaces=internal" you get a machine with an IP on <IP_ADDRESS>/24 but it is not reachable by the juju controller?
[09:03] <boolman> i will get an IP of <IP_ADDRESS>/24 range
[09:04] <kjackal> that is strange... so you get a machine on the front-end space although you requested the internal.
[09:06] <kjackal> boolman: can you try this other syntax: "juju deploy mysql --bind db-space" ?
[09:07] <boolman> this seems pretty dead on https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1473069
[09:07] <mup> Bug #1473069: Inconsistency of determining IP addresses in MAAS environment between hosts and LXC containers <2.0> <addressability> <bug-squad> <cdo-qa-blocker> <landscape> <lxc> <maas-provider> <networking> <uosci> <juju:Fix Committed> <Landscape Server:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1473069>
[14:27] <vds> I have a subordinate charm that failed on some units, https://paste.ubuntu.com/24864747/ , I know I can't remove the subordinate charm unit without removing the principal, but the system is working fine and the error doesn't really have any effect, what other option do I have to fix the deployment?
[14:39] <SimonKLB> vds: that's actually not the case, if you remove the relation to the subordinate charm it should be stopped and removed from the machine
[14:55] <kwmonroe> yeah vds, in the just released juju-2.2, removing sub relations should now remove the sub unit as well.  bug 1686696 for reference.
[14:55] <mup> Bug #1686696: Subordinate units won't die until all principal relations are gone <juju:Fix Committed by 2-xtian> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686696>
[14:55] <vds> SimonKLB kwmonroe thx!
[16:31] <jay_> Hello all, would like to know if anyone has ever tried taking a running docker container, and then adding it as a machine with juju? I gave it try, but come across some errors that don't really give my much insight into what might be wrong. The error just states something about an invalid entity name or password. Not much to work off of.
[17:17] <rick_h> jay_: so I think the big thing is that Juju expects to be able to download, install, and modify things in the container in such as way that normally you'd build a new image to launch.
[17:17] <rick_h> jay_: so I don't know that the juju way of "give me a machine and I'll get it all set up" works.
[17:18] <rick_h> jay_: now there's definitely some ideas around a different kind of charm or something down the road that might play along nice with other Juju managed applications but that's idea stuff atm
[20:01] <Budgie^Smore> O/
[20:05] <lazyPower> Budgie^Smore: \o


[00:24] <Yuri4_> Hi, guys! I can't SSH into my server. Could you help me to decipher ssh -vvv output? http://pastebin.com/NSEz3cs5
[01:59] <Beautiful> Yuri4_, are you sure you pointing to the right key file?
[02:00] <Beautiful> it seems its a key file issue
[03:01] <codepython777> anyone here has used preseed recently?
[08:09] <masuberu> hi
[08:10] <masuberu> not sure if this is the right place to ask this
[08:10] <masuberu> my ubuntu is not using all memory of my system
[08:10] <masuberu> is this normal?
[08:11] <masuberu> http://pastebin.com/raw/zjq2JNhb
[08:12] <masuberu> the reason I am asking is because I thought that linux uses all memory available on the system, but that is not my case
[08:12] <masuberu> any advice?
[08:13] <hateball> masuberu: well, does any process need more?
[08:14] <masuberu> I have nothing running on that machine yet
[08:14] <masuberu> I just installed ubuntu
[08:15] <hateball> Yes, so what is the problem?
[08:15] <masuberu> but was surprised why linux is not using all the memory available...
[08:15] <hateball> what would it use it *for* ?
[08:15] <hateball> it's sitting there, available
[08:16] <cpaelzer> masuberu: it is all right that way
[08:16] <cpaelzer> masuberu: it is used on demand
[08:16] <cpaelzer> masuberu: and even if there is no program actively needing it it will fill up over time by page cache
[08:17] <masuberu> ok
[08:17] <cpaelzer> masuberu: every read you'll do will get into the page cache to speed up I/O, so over time even without a huge application running it will get full
[08:17] <masuberu> ah ok
[08:17] <cpaelzer> masuberu: usually people complain vice versa - "why is it full with me having running only a small application"
[08:17] <masuberu> I understand now
[08:17] <masuberu> yeah
[08:19] <cpaelzer> masuberu: depending on the number of numa nodes you have it will always try to keep a minimum free for important kernel things
[08:19] <masuberu> ok ok sorry for my ignorance I will read about disk caching
[08:19] <masuberu> thanks
[08:19] <cpaelzer> not a lot, something like 12-80 MB per numa node
[08:20] <masuberu> hum
[08:20] <masuberu> I see
[08:21] <cpaelzer> masuberu: http://www-05.ibm.com/de/events/linux-on-system-z/downloads/Tools-MK2-V7-Web.pdf page 43 and following has some super-low-level entry to caching/swapping that I used to explain stuff to managers in the past
[08:21] <cpaelzer> you can always get more complex with memory management :-)
[08:21] <cpaelzer> but it is hard to find the simple ones
[08:23] <masuberu> cpaelzer: jajajaja thanks man!
[10:57] <rbasak> magicalChicken: I found a few bugs for you.
[10:57] <rbasak> 1) a general cleanup of the bugs in logwatch please - no point assigning individually but there are a bunch of similar-but-different bugs there - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/logwatch
[10:57] <rbasak> (unmatched entries)
[10:59] <rbasak> 2) bug 1582767. It's fine to add an apparmor entry even if use of that line is only in an unusual configuration, so that just needs verifying and sorting out
[11:00] <rbasak> 3) bug 1534538. Should be a straightforward cherry-pick but needs verifying etc.
[11:00] <rbasak> magicalChicken: thanks!
[11:03] <cgalan> coreycb: we have tested the networking-hyperv package. Can we get it in Ubuntu Cloud Archive: OpenStack Mitaka, updates section ?
[11:35] <Ergo^> hello - i have a basic installation of ubuntu 16.04 - i installed update-motd package - but i need to populated the /etc/update-motd.d/ - its missing all the nice scripts, is there a command to set this up?
[11:47] <cpaelzer> Ergo^: what nice scripts in particular - then one could look up where they would be in?
[11:48] <Ergo^> there is a bunch of scripts in /etc/update-motd.d/
[11:48] <Ergo^> they print missing updates, diskspace, etc
[11:48] <cpaelzer> Ergo^: so you usually see them, but not on your current install and you wonder where they would come from?
[11:49] <Ergo^> cpaelzer: exactly, i think default 14.04 server install has them
[11:49] <Ergo^> but at least 2 machines i checked do not have that by default
[11:49] <cpaelzer> Ergo^: "apt-file search /etc/update-motd.d/ | pastebinit" => http://paste.ubuntu.com/17692017/
[11:49] <Ergo^> i would love to bring that back
[11:50] <Ergo^> cpaelzer: i have only 00-header  10-help-text
[11:50] <Ergo^> and i want the ones you have there
[11:50] <cpaelzer> Ergo^: which is in base files, the output is package on the left and files on the right
[11:50] <cpaelzer> so if you e.g. want the "updates available" that is in update-notifier-common
[11:51] <cpaelzer> apt-file as I listed above lets you search the whole archive with patterns - showing you what package "would" match
[11:51] <cpaelzer> that is what that pastebin link is
[11:51] <cpaelzer> apt-search on steroids to some extend
[11:51] <Ergo^> thanks
[11:51] <cpaelzer> yw
[11:54] <Ergo^> cpaelzer: thing is i have to have the archive installed locally right?
[11:55] <cpaelzer> Ergo^: no it has an update feature which just pulls the metadata
[11:56] <Ergo^> cool
[12:05] <Ergo^> cpaelzer: there is also landscape-sysinfo script
[12:05] <Ergo^> but i cant locate that one anywhere :/
[12:06] <Ergo^> maybe it was removed
[12:07] <cpaelzer> Ergo^: is that part of the landscape tool like https://landscape.canonical.com/ ?
[12:08] <coreycb> cgalan, hello, thanks for testing!  jamespage or beisner can you promote networking-hyperv 2.0.0-0ubuntu1~cloud0 to mitaka-updates for cgalan please?
[12:08] <cpaelzer> apt-file search landscape-sysinfo delivers for me
[12:08] <cpaelzer> package landscape-common
[12:09] <Ergo^> cpaelzer: yeah but it doesnt supply the motd script
[12:10] <cpaelzer> Ergo^: can you list the old absolute path?
[12:10] <Ergo^> http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/amd64/landscape-common/filelist
[12:10] <Ergo^> at least here i dont see it
[12:12] <Ergo^> cpaelzer: /etc/update-motd.d/50-landscape-sysinfo
[12:15] <Repox> Hi guys. I tried following a guide to writing an upstart script and ended up with this: http://pastie.org/10886387 - the init-check passed but when I try starting the service (by typing "service mailin start") I get a message saying "Failed to start mailin.service: Unit mailin.service not found." What am I missing? I'm on 16.04 if that matters.
[12:17] <Ergo^> cpaelzer: maybe its generated post-trigger somehow?
[12:17] <cpaelzer> yeah maybe
[12:18] <cpaelzer> I'm still looking in an trusty env if it would be just in a package
[12:18] <Ergo^> cpaelzer: because i installed landscape-common
[12:18] <Ergo^> and i got the entry in motd
[12:18] <Ergo^> so its probably generated
[12:18] <cpaelzer> Ergo^: then that is very likely
[12:19] <cpaelzer> yep debian/landscape-common.postinst:       UPDATE_MOTD_LOCATION=/etc/update-motd.d/50-landscape-sysinfo
[12:20] <cpaelzer> Ergo^: behavor can be switched by configure, therefore generated
[12:49] <caribou> rbasak: remember the apache2-mpm-itk SRU blocking the apache2 one ?(LP: #1582462)
[12:50] <jamespage> coreycb, got it
[12:50] <rbasak> caribou: yes
[12:51] <caribou> rbasak: the apache2-mpm-itk .postinst is failing because of the a2query bug you described :
[12:51] <caribou> usage: fail($reason, $retval) at /usr/sbin/a2query line 168.
[12:51] <caribou> /var/lib/dpkg/info/libapache2-mpm-itk.postinst: 9: [: !=: unexpected operator
[12:52] <caribou> rbasak: imho, the problem is this apache2 bug, not the apache2-mpm-itk failure
[12:55] <jamespage> coreycb, done
[12:55] <jamespage> cgalan, ^^
[12:55] <jamespage> networking-hyperv -> updates
[12:55] <coreycb> jamespage, thanks
[12:56] <rbasak> caribou: is any of this related to bug 1590283?
[12:57] <caribou> rbasak: that's what I'm checking; just bear with me for a few minutes, I should have my tests completed
[12:57] <cgalan> jamespage, thank you!
[12:57] <cgalan> coreycb, thanks for all the help also!
[12:57] <rbasak> ack
[12:57] <coreycb> cgalan, you're welcome
[13:03] <caribou> rbasak: the mpm-itk postinst script fails on that : if [ $(a2query -M) != 'prefork' ] ; then
[13:03] <caribou> rbasak: with the bug $(a2query -M) errors out and the tests is wrong
[13:04] <caribou> rbasak: with a2query fixed, the postinst script still errors out since the msg is sent to stderr and the value tested is still empty
[13:04] <caribou> rbasak: but that can only happen if at least TWO mpm are loaded
[13:05] <caribou> rbasak: so I don't mind pulling the SRU to ameliorate the a2query -M handling, but the root cause is somewhere else
[13:06] <rbasak> caribou: it should be if [ "$(a2query -M)" ...
[13:06] <caribou> rbasak: still fails as a2query -M output goes to stderr
[13:06] <rbasak> Assuming that there are cases where a2query will fail by its definiton.
[13:06] <rbasak> That seems wrong to me.
[13:07] <rbasak> "$(a2query -M 2>&1)" then, but I'd file a bug about it outputting its defined output to stderr.
[13:07] <rbasak> If the point of "a2query -M" is to tell you the enabled MPM module, then that should be to stdout.
[13:08] <caribou> rbasak: a2query is using perl:die
[13:08] <rbasak> Only in an unusual circumstance, right?
[13:08] <rbasak> It doesn't make sense to have more than one MPM module enabled?
[13:09] <caribou> rbasak: yes, I had to hack a second MPM symlink in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled
[13:09] <rbasak> Does apache even accept that?
[13:09] <caribou> well, if someone symlinks it manually that can happen
[13:10] <caribou> rbasak: I'm not sure if we need to build in user's mistakes in our scripts
[13:11] <caribou> rbasak: imho, having a2query -M w/o the quotes is wrong, so I can fix that, but it will still fail in this specific context
[13:11] <rbasak> caribou: sure. If it's not supposed to happen, it's fine to let the postinst fail. Though a better error message would be nice (that's the a2query bug I think).
[13:12] <caribou> rbasak: yes, we would have had "There is more than one MPM loaded. Do not proceed due to undefined results"
[13:12] <caribou> with a2query fixed
[13:14] <caribou> I think we should let the apache2-mpm-itk proceed & fix the quote thing in a separate SRU; right now it is the library itself that fails to install
[13:14] <caribou> since it will still fail in such a context, no matter what
[13:15] <rbasak> caribou: sure. It's not an SRU regression so it shouldn't block the SRU.
[13:15] <caribou> rbasak: agree. I will document all that in the regression bug & revert the verification tag
[13:16] <rbasak> Thank you!
[14:22] <mbutubuntu> hello to everyone. I've installed a brand new Ubuntu 16.04 Virtual Machine with a LAMP setup. I need to use dba functions but even if all configuration seems ok I get a FATAL ERROR "PHP Fatal error:  Uncaught Error: Call to undefined function dba_handlers()"
[14:23] <mbutubuntu> in the phpinfo() page the dba library seems loaded, what could be the issue? Thank you ;)
[14:23] <mbutubuntu> note that all the dba_* functions returns a fatal error.
[14:27] <nacc> mbutubuntu: can you pastebin the phpinfo() output?
[14:31] <mbutubuntu> --> http://www.2016.arabeschi.it/uploads/info.php :)
[14:40] <nacc> mbutubuntu: do you have php-dba installed?
[14:41] <nacc> mbutubuntu: or possibly not enabled? e.g. phpenmod dba ?
[14:41] <mbutubuntu> I've ubuntu 16.04 and php7... there is no php-dba package :-(
[14:42] <nacc> mbutubuntu: where do you see the dba being loaded?
[14:47] <nacc> mbutubuntu: hrm, seems like there might have been a bug in the packaging; can you file a bug? i'll build you a test build today
[14:48] <mbutubuntu> Someone filed a bug yet -> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/293591
[14:48] <mbutubuntu> the solution is to download the sources from https://github.com/php/php-src/tree/PHP-7.0.8/ext/dba and compile it :)
[14:49] <nacc> mbutubuntu: that's not a bug, that's a question
[14:49] <nacc> and that's a *terrible* answer.
[14:49] <nacc> as you're not even using the right source base.
[14:49] <mbutubuntu> ok... sorry X-) LOL
[14:50] <nacc> i turned it into a bug
[14:50] <nacc> LP: #1595215
[14:50] <ddellav> coreycb please review and push lp:~ddellav/ubuntu/+source/neutron lp:~ddellav/ubuntu/+source/neutron-fwaas lp:~ddellav/ubuntu/+source/neutron-lbaas lp:~ddellav/ubuntu/+source/neutron-vpnaas lp:~ddellav/ubuntu/+source/nova for lp: #1594867
[14:50] <coreycb> ddellav, will do, what's going on with python-glance-store?
[14:52] <mbutubuntu> nacc, are you a maintainer for Ubuntu?
[14:52] <nacc> mbutubuntu: i have done the php7.0 transition
[14:53] <mbutubuntu> Ok. So you have the "power" to solve this bug..? :)
[14:53] <nacc> Yes, I'm doing so right now
[14:53] <ddellav> coreycb im not sure, i know james already did the update but i tried to do it again anyway. I couldn't find the proper package repo so i did a pull-lp-source for the wily version but my attempts to import the update failed. I was going to keep messing with it for the next hour or so before asking for clarification.
[14:54] <mbutubuntu> great. I owe you, nacc
[14:54] <coreycb> ddellav, ok.  maybe just split it into a different card for now.
[14:55] <f1gjam> hey guys, I am trying to get autopilot to install and am having some trouble. First off, when I do openstack-install and the interface comes up, I enter all the details - everything seems to go fine then it fails. The log files under ~/.cloud-install/commands.log shows the following error:
[14:55] <f1gjam> 400 BAD REQUEST ({"storage": ["Mount the root \'/\' filesystem to be able to deploy this node."]})\n', 'status': 1}'
[14:55] <f1gjam> I also dont like the fact, when i cant copy and paste the API key in the openstack-install text UI aand have to enter it manually :(
[14:55] <ddellav> coreycb done
[14:55] <coreycb> ddellav, it's this repo btw: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/openstack/python-glance-store.git/
[14:55] <ddellav> coreycb ok so i should use the debian repo. I wasn't sure since it's got an ubuntu delta tag
[14:56] <coreycb> ddellav, for stable dep updates I haven't been using the repos
[14:56] <ddellav> well in wily it does, xenial and above its a direct copy probably
[14:56] <mbutubuntu> nacc, I think that your today build will not be in the repos... how can I get notified when you finished your updated package? :)
[14:56] <ddellav> coreycb what are you doing instead?
[14:56] <coreycb> ddellav, but I suppose it depends, if the updates already there then maybe I'd use it
[14:57] <coreycb> ddellav, pull-lp-source
[14:57] <coreycb> then update
[15:01] <coreycb> ddellav, jamespage: we should be back to blue after neutron builds for newton
[15:01] <jamespage> \o/
[15:02] <ddellav> coreycb awesome
[15:07] <coreycb> jamespage, ddellav: btw I opened bug 1594446 after I uploaded software-properties and didn't push it to the packaging branch.
[15:41] <robertj> is https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/advanced-installation.html correct? Im not getting options to boot degraded on dpkg-reconfigure -p low mdadm
[15:43]  * RoyK has no idea why boot degraded seems to be default off on certain distros - it doesn't make sense
[15:49] <robertj> RoyK, AFAIK the option no longer works btw
[15:52] <robertj> it may default to on now but be hitting another bug, that's my guess and thus why the option is removed
[15:52] <robertj> (but apprently not in the documentation)
[15:53] <robertj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/1341312 is looking like a possible fix
[15:55] <RoyK> robertj: there's a kernel parameter for that as well - perhaps use that?
[15:56] <RoyK> it really sucks that it doesn't boot with degraded raids by default
[15:56] <RoyK> there's a reason for raid systems - we want to allow for failed drives!
[15:56] <robertj> RoyK, I dont think that portion of the preboot exists anymore
[16:15] <showaz> We tried to use nmcli & nmtui in ubuntu (centos7 not req. x11) to visually configure the network interfaces. Really pulls ubuntu with the package "network-manager" (X11).
[16:24] <nacc> showaz: was that a question?
[16:25] <showaz> nacc: x11 is mandatory for network-manager (ubuntu-server 16.04)?
[16:27] <showaz> solved: "apt install --no-install-recommends network-manager"
[16:27] <nacc> showaz: it is not mandatory, afaict; that's a difference between `apt` and `apt-get`
[16:28] <showaz> nacc: yes, "apt" color-progressbar wrapper for apt-get and apt-cache
[16:28] <nacc> showaz: i know what it is...
[16:29] <showaz> nacc: The problem is that apt/apt-get is trying to install x11 (ubuntu-server edition) for network-manager.
[16:29] <nacc> showaz: it seems like overkill to me to install network-manager on a server, but that's just my opinion
[16:29] <sarnold> why are you using network-manager on a server?
[16:29] <nacc> showaz: you don't need to say 'ubuntu server edition', it's the same packages everywhere
[16:29] <showaz> nmcli and nmtui
[16:30] <showaz> centos terminal gui for networking control
[16:30] <nacc> showaz: why do you want a terminal gui for networking control? how often are you changing networking on a server?
[16:30] <showaz> yes, not like vim/nano/etc "cat >/etc/network/interfaces.d/en…"
[16:31] <genii> Just install xvfb for a fake X server
[16:31] <showaz> not good idea install x11 overhead.
[16:31] <nacc> showaz: was that in response to me?
[16:31] <nacc> showaz: i don't think it's a good idea to install network-manager; that's just an opinion.
[16:33] <sarnold> you're free to install desktop utilities on your server but don't be surprised when they pull in desktop libraries and tools.
[16:33] <showaz> apt  install network-manager-tui 404
[16:33] <showaz> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Networking_Guide/sec-Networking_Config_Using_nmtui.html
[16:33] <nacc> why would a RH guide be relevant on Ubuntu?
[16:34] <showaz> why ubuntu not support control network interfaces?
[16:35] <genii> Learn how to use ipconfig and the interfaces file
[16:35] <nacc> showaz: ? i am not entirely sure what you're asking, but Ubuntu does support controlling network interfaces.
[16:35] <nacc> showaz: if you're asking why Ubuntu and RH are different ...
[16:36] <showaz> we assume this is a flaw in ubuntu/debian.
[16:36] <nacc> uh
[16:37] <nacc> showaz: define 'flaw'? you're installing a package meant for desktop environments (afaict)
[16:38] <showaz> network-manager-tui not desktop, nm{tui,cli} ; tui - text interface / cli command line tookit for control network
[16:40] <nacc> showaz: i think you're saying you think that network-manager-tui should be installable without X11, and it's not, because nmcli/nmtui are part of the network-manager package. And the network-manager package pulls in x11-common (note that's not an entire xserver)
[16:40] <nacc> showaz: that is not possible, in ubuntu or debian, afaict...
[17:21] <semiosis> hi all.  i'm working on bug 1565985 and think I have a good strategy to solve it.  anyone around to discuss?
[17:23] <semiosis> what i want to do is move 42-vagrant.binary to 40-vagrant.binary and, instead of having it use the vmdk produced in 40-vmdk-image.binary, use the disk image produced by 32-disk-image.binary
[17:23] <coreycb> tinoco, thanks for the kilo patch for libvirt. I've uploaded that to kilo-staging and it'll get into kilo-proposed soon for testing.
[17:23] <semiosis> that way we can mount the disk image, install the extra packages needed for a vagrant base box, then call create_vmdk and continue with the rest of the vagrant packaging stuff
[17:24] <coreycb> tinoco, for bug 1594936
[17:24] <tinoco> coreycb: cool!! tks
[17:24] <tinoco> coreycb: i'll work together with user for verification
[17:25] <coreycb> tinoco, great, thank you
[17:37] <semiosis> the source files i'm referring to are here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/livecd-rootfs/trunk/files/head:/live-build/ubuntu-cpc/hooks/
[17:58] <robertj> RoyK, but yeah, just built a fresh vm with the same result
[18:15] <coreycb> beisner, hello, can you promote libvirt 1.2.12-0ubuntu14.4~cloud1 to kilo-proposed when you get a chance?
[18:16] <cliluw> Why is there still an /etc/init/ directory in Xenial if it uses systemd and not upstart?
[18:20] <sarnold> because modifying every package to no longer have upstart configs would have been too much work
[18:21] <cliluw> sarnold: Do those upstart configs do anything now?
[18:21] <sarnold> cliluw: I suspect not
[18:22] <sarnold> but I haven't proven that to myself :)
[18:22] <cliluw> sarnold: Ok. I was wondering if there was some automatic upstart to systemd translator that would have made those work on 16.04.
[18:23] <sarnold> cliluw: all those packages probably have sysv init scripts too, when systemd was added I think pitti and others had to add a bunch of those sysv scripts for compatibility.
[18:23] <sarnold> I'm hoping yakkety is a bit less messy.
[18:31] <RoyK> robertj: that's just shite
[18:34] <robertj>  /scripts within initramfs doesn't seem to have anything related so I think it's compiled in somewhere?
[19:01] <robertj> RoyK, so...basically my understanding is that there is no point in the boot process where Ubuntu draws the line and says 'ok, all disks should be here by now'
[19:01] <robertj> or rather there is, it's like 60 or 90 seconds later when it gives up trying to mount root and then bails to busybox
[19:38] <beisner> hi coreycb - libvirt (1.2.12-0ubuntu14.4~cloud1) pushed to kilo-proposed
[19:39] <coreycb> beisner, thanks, tinoco ^
[19:41] <beisner> yw coreycb
[19:47] <tinoco> beisner: coreycb: tku! o/
[19:48] <hallyn> beisner: you're on sru team ?
[19:49] <hallyn> oh, kilo-proposed
[19:49] <beisner> hallyn, not sru team.  cloud archive pusher(tm)   :)
[19:50] <hallyn> sorry, thought it would be cool if you were :)
[21:49] <LaserAllan> question, does grep -r even search through hidden directories?
[21:51] <mgriffin> LaserAllan: did you try it?
[21:52] <mgriffin> LaserAllan: easy to test things: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/383530/46663234/
[21:56] <LaserAllan> mgriffin: No not yet, I just know there are 2 keywrods i am looking for inside a log and thats it pretty much
[21:58] <LaserAllan> I am not sure if i can make it absically search the whole system but i was thinking something like
[21:58] <LaserAllan> grep -r "word1 word2" /
[21:58] <nacc> LaserAllan: 'hidden' is a GUI thing, really
[21:59] <LaserAllan> nacc: oh ok so the "." in fron of them isn't something that affects any command sin the temrinal?
[21:59] <LaserAllan> I mean I usually have to do "ls -all" to make those appear
[21:59] <nacc> LaserAllan: and in the above instance, since you're giving it an explicit path, and not a regex (which would be shell expanded), it should search your entire filesystem
[22:00] <nacc> LaserAllan: yeah, i realized that as soon as i typed :)
[22:00] <nacc> LaserAllan: it doesn't affect *all* commands
[22:00] <nacc> that's a nuance of ls, afaict
[22:00] <mgriffin> this might be faster than grep -r:  find / -type f -exec grep xyz {} \+ 2> /dev/null
[22:00] <mgriffin> but i struggle to imagine you don't want to search just /var or something
[22:01] <LaserAllan> nacc: The problem is that I will most likely end up with thousands of results but I don't really have much more than that to go on since I am not sure when these logs lines were written, i only know it was this year lol
[22:01] <nacc> LaserAllan: ugh :)
[22:01] <LaserAllan> mgriffin: To be more specific this is irc logs inside my irc server
[22:01] <LaserAllan> so I guess I could narrow the path down to which directory
[22:02] <mgriffin> LaserAllan: so use lsof against that process to see where it logs
[22:02] <mgriffin> LaserAllan: maybe /var/log/ircd/daemon.log will be an open file
[22:02] <LaserAllan> ah, ok so now i know where it keeps logs
[22:02] <mgriffin> LaserAllan: so look at /var/log/ircd/daemon.log*
[22:02] <LaserAllan> then I can just do grep -r "word1 word 2" /peth/to/logs ?
[22:02] <mgriffin> (because logrotate made them daemon.log-201605.gz or something)
[22:03] <mgriffin> LaserAllan: you might need zgrep
[22:03] <LaserAllan> mgriffin: what is that?
[22:03] <mgriffin> LaserAllan: if the files are compressed. or maybe you use systemd and want journalctl ;)
[22:03] <mgriffin> LaserAllan: zgrep searches file.gz (gzip compressed files)
[22:03] <LaserAllan> mgriffin: Ah that makes sense, afaik they arenät compressed
[22:03] <LaserAllan> "aren't
[23:24] <masuberu> Hi
[23:24] <masuberu> I am trying to setup nic bonding for first time on ubuntu and it is not working, would appreciate anyone who can guide me on this
[23:25] <masuberu> this is my nic bond configuration
[23:25] <masuberu> http://pastebin.com/raw/RrwuSeMQ
[23:27] <patdk-lap> slaves none
[23:28] <masuberu> slaves none on eth2 and eth3?
[23:28] <patdk-lap> why?
[23:28] <patdk-lap> those have bond-master
[23:29] <masuberu> just asking
[23:29] <masuberu> ah ok
[23:29] <masuberu> you mean
[23:30] <masuberu> bond-slaves none
[23:32] <masuberu> I am following this tutorial https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBonding
[23:32] <masuberu> and they have "bond-slaves eth0 eth1"
[23:33] <patdk-lap> odd
[23:33] <patdk-lap> I have never seen it work, after 10.04 with bond-slaves != none
[23:34] <masuberu> ok I will try your way and see if it works


[00:03] <asac> [reed]: ok we will try the default opt flags for next upload - committed .head
[00:03] <[reed]> you just did --enable-optimize ?
[00:06] <asac> more or less
[00:07] <asac> --enable-optimize and -g in C/CXXFLAGS
[00:09] <fellacious> asac: same crash
[00:10] <asac> wierd
[00:10] <asac> Ubulette: you don't ship the patches dir for xulbrowser target in mozilla-devscripts?
[00:11] <asac> Ubulette: http://paste.ubuntu.com/3494/
[00:12] <asac> fellacious: still during startup?
[00:13] <Ubulette> it was a bug. fixed in bzr
[00:13] <asac> fine
[00:13] <asac> is bin in?
[00:14] <fellacious> basically, when it tries to start with my default profile, it crashes, in the same way that it crashes when it tries to import my bookmarks.html.  i'm assuming that the problem is with my bookmarks.html file.  you can download that from http://<IP_ADDRESS>:81/bookmarks.20080111.html if you want.  i'm currently looking at nsPlacesImportExportService.cpp
[00:14] <asac> apparently not
[00:15] <asac> fellacious: try to test whether PreviousFrame() is nsnull ... if so, try to omit what it does in that line
[00:15] <Ubulette> asac, grab the deb from my ppa, it works fine
[00:17] <asac> done
[00:17] <asac> fix confirmed
[00:17] <fellacious> (gdb) x PreviousFrame
[00:17] <fellacious> Cannot take address of method PreviousFrame.
[00:20] <fellacious> (gdb) print PreviousFrame()
[00:20] <fellacious> Cannot evaluate function -- may be inlined
[00:33] <asac> i just suspect that its null
[00:33] <fellacious> ya, me too
[00:33] <fellacious>   BookmarkImportFrame& PreviousFrame()
[00:33] <fellacious>   {
[00:33] <fellacious>     NS_ASSERTION(mFrames.Length() > 1, "Asking for frame when there are not enough!");
[00:33] <fellacious>     return mFrames[mFrames.Length() - 2];
[00:33] <fellacious>   }
[00:34] <fellacious> (gdb) print mFrames
[00:34] <fellacious> $2 = {<nsTArray_base> = {static sEmptyHdr = {mLength = 0, mCapacity = 0,  mIsAutoArray = 0}, mHdr = 0x2aaaac503080}, <No data fields>}
[00:35] <asac> right
[00:36] <asac> so the NS_ASSERTION hits here and probably returns something bad
[00:36] <asac> you should be able to see that message in a debug build
[00:41] <asac> fellacious: if you still have the build tree you can just respin without the need to wait too long by using
[00:41] <asac> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -nc
[00:41] <asac> that won't do a clean ... just an incremental build
[00:41] <asac> ... so keep your tree around :)
[00:41] <fellacious> ya, i still have the trees
[08:51] <asac> hi
[09:09] <[reed]> hi
[12:09] <Ubulette> bug 182227
[12:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182227 in firefox-3.0 "external javascript files cause page to fail to render" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182227
[16:14] <Ubulette> http://bryceharrington.org/drupal/node/28
[19:51] <pochu> Does anyone know whether it's possible to have greasemonkey with FF3?
[20:55] <fellacious> ok, i have a regression in ubuntu's firefox 3 from mozilla's
[21:05] <Ubulette> asac, bz233371_att296135_fix_outofscreen_embed_tooltip.patch no longer applies because of mozilla bug 408823.
[21:05] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 408823 in Embedding: GTK Widget "Killing GTK1, deprecated glib uses" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408823
[21:05] <Ubulette> asac, http://mxr.mozilla.org/firefox/source/embedding/browser/gtk/src/EmbedWindow.cpp#409
[21:07] <Ubulette> [reed], any idea which one to keep ?
[21:07] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 233371
[21:07] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 233371 in Embedding: GTK Widget "Long tooltips should wrap instead of being cropped in gtkmozembed" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=233371
[21:08] <fellacious> in ubuntu's firefox 3, the bookmarks.html on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412044 crashes places; in mozilla's, it doesn't.
[21:08] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 412044 in Places "crash on import of bookmarks.html into places" [Critical,Resolved: invalid]
[21:09] <fellacious> so... maybe its time to import some more current sources
[22:21] <[reed]> Ubulette: ?
[22:21] <[reed]> what do you mean?
[22:21] <Ubulette> ?
[22:21] <Ubulette> well, the 2 bugs seem to be going in different directions
[22:22] <Ubulette> with gtk_window_set_resizable()
[22:22] <[reed]> hmm
[22:22] <[reed]> bring it up in the bug?
[22:22] <[reed]> I dunno...
[22:23] <Ubulette> well, asac updated 233371, you committed 408823 ;)
[22:23] <[reed]> lol
[22:35] <Ubulette> [reed], is this invalid ? http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/tmp/firefox-3-js-issue.html
[22:37] <[reed]> not sure
[22:37] <[reed]> file a bug in bugzilla and see :)
[22:39] <Ubulette> it works in ff2 / sm1, but not in ff3 / sm2
[22:41] <[reed]> then file it as a bug
[22:44] <Ubulette> which component ?
[22:44] <[reed]> Core :: General for now
[22:48] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 412114
[22:48] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 412114 in General "external javascript files cause page to fail to render" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412114
[23:11] <[reed]> Ubulette: mozilla bug 412114
[23:11] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 412114 in General "external javascript files cause page to fail to render" [Normal,Resolved: wontfix] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412114
[23:11] <[reed]> there's your answer :)
[23:12] <Ubulette> i expected something like that.
[23:12] <[reed]> it's the right answer
[23:32] <Ubulette> hmm, my ff3 is once again frozen. I wasn't doing anything special


[08:01] <yofel> tjaalton: hi, any news about bug 1492037?
[08:05] <tjaalton> yofel: stuck in proposed
[08:06] <yofel> ok, so it's moving forwared, thanks!
[08:09] <tjaalton> yw
[09:51] <tjaalton> yofel: can you check why kwin tests fail? that's the blocker now
[09:51] <yofel> urgh, yes, will do
[09:53] <tjaalton> not because of mesa, started failing early yesterday
[09:56] <tjaalton> actually a few weeks ago
[09:57] <yofel> fails since 5.4.1, we're looking at it
[10:23] <tjaalton> ah, looks like the kwin test regression wasn't the blocker after all, mesa 11.0.0 is now in
[20:42] <ricotz> tjaalton, hey :), don't forget to get libinput 1.0.1 into wily too
[21:27] <ricotz> same goes for libevdev


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 yeah, i can't make it through 22 minutes of whiny attempt at taking the piss
 How to change DPI on unity8? Meizu MX4.
 somehow i don't think ubports is the one with "marketing" issues there
 @profetik777, So you earn the trophy of bringing me back from bedtime to Telegram. Good job boy. In case I was not sure if you might have a point and I would thought about talking with you on a fact-based level, well thats over now. I am sorry to say, but if you post public videos on the Internet, making fun of me and my posts, quoting off the screen only half of what I wrote, while people can read the real text, its just wtf. That is not how you sh
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 @SilentSt0rm, change GRID_UNITS environment variable. ithink you can export it in ~/.profile for example
 ie GRID_UNITS=8 or GRID_UNITS=16 or such
 i wonder how that appear.in is working out simon though. that might be more entertaining to watch :P
 Uh so back to UT? I'm happy to distract from the tension
 I successfully branched canonicals webapp demos to get back a couple things. I made click files aand installed them but I think they might be missing a dependency. Heres a screenshot from the log. Did the ota3 push removed the file mentioned?
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 no shouldn't have
 Can you run … ```apt list *xid*``` … ?
 well i'm not sure libffmpeg was shipped at all
 but don't recall exactly. i know ffmpeg is legally werid
 weird
 @Flohack, ugh, got the window region cut off. but the audio is there....
 but yeah you were never going to meet anyways.
 anyways, after speaking with @tsimonq2  and @lastdon82  we realized we were on the same page more than originally anticipated.
 i think it was productive and we didn't walk away calling each other names.
 On a point-by-point level, sure. You're right.
 Sure, but the way you've come into the community and handled this discourse leave me no room to respect you.
 We agree on points.
 ill be here regardless if im officially with the project or not.
 i don't really care at this point, respect the ideas.
 @UniversalSuperBox, I specifically made a point to not take sides on this issue although since I consider Dalton and Schyken friends, I sort of side with them on that. … But we discussed *points*.
 simon, are you turning on me so fast after such a great discourse?
 omfg
 Oh no, don't try that
 guys....lighten up.
 you guys are going to be great regardless.....
 @profetik777, I believed we agreed on somethings but not all :)
 delete your youtube
 @lastdon82 and that is okay. i think there is suppose to be room for disagreement.
 the goal is the same - better options for mobile.
 @profetik777, it  is fair to ask you to delete the youtube video though
 and i think @tsimonq2 made great points. @tsimonq2 did you record it too?
 or broadcast it?
 @profetik777, What I'm saying here is that we agree on logical points, and you know that, but where I don't have a strong opinion on are how those points were conveyed.
 It's obvious you pissed some people off.
 Don't get me wrong, that was a decent discussion.
 i thought so too
 But that was between three of many people in this group
 i thank you for hopping on
 Thanks for having me
 @profetik777, No, I didn't record or broadcast it.
 well, they can have an opportunity if they want too
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 ugh i gotta adjust the audio....
 @tsimonq2, 👍 We should put that into the group's bio.
 What did I miss?
 @JoeRess, I went on a video call with @profetik777 and @lastdon82
 Don't tell me I missed the conference call!
 You missed the conference call
 Which was recorded and I assume is for later use?
 @nfsprodriver, In a bit
 @UniversalSuperBox, Yes
 Poast likn
 @JoeRess, Waiting on @profetik777
 The most important question is
 Did you get to the bottom of the bottleneck problem?
 Yes.
 Thank goodness
 We can't have a bottleneck
 That much is quite clear
 Well, we're all dying to hear it
 it really is anti-climatic, given talking things through can really be powerful in having a logic based discussion.
 Okay, I don't want to be preached to.
 but ill link it. the record region was misaligned, so it will be a lot of shots of all of our foreheads lol
 I want to know: What is the problem, and what do you propse to fix it
 @UniversalSuperBox, you don't want to be preached to and you don't want to know so enough already.
 but you might find your answer by listening
 perhaps.
 @profetik777, I'm sure the audio is far more important
 @profetik777, Can you share the link?
 sorry, daddy dutie, trying to mult-task here...
 Pls hoast on rapidshare
 I hav many rapids saved up
 Or megauoload
 Which is also gud
 again, sorry for the audio,
 we jumped right in so i rolled with it
 i re-upload after i clean it up.
 but here is the ra
 raw
 @JoeRess, ill do that another time
 being a daddy is causing a bottleneck
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH5djud5maM&feature=youtu.be
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 Yep
 OMG the recommendations tho
 Lolllll
 First of which needs deleted
 It's stuck on 95
 It's done
 Oh ok
 Decent audio on one side
 Simon sounds like shit
 Quality wise
 Yeah I know.  I wanted to fix it before releasing it but
 It's not an actual real show so
 Maybe next time :)
 Wow. You come across like Lunduke. Good going  👍🏻
 @JoeRess, That would be the first thing you say. Forget everything else. Good going
 Lol
 Be careful @JoeRess. You are getting too predictable
 so not going to delete it?
 Point, but I'm not finished with the video yet
 Wayne was being sarcastic
 ok, can't get through that video either
 I'm finishing it
 there's a certain irony about calling people intellectually lazy for suggesting one's post formatting is hard to read, while arguing about what is supposedly "good for marketing"
 feels manipulated after rewatching it
 @JoeRess, That's because the only mic I have is a webcam
 oh noes, simon was spellbound
 @tsimonq2, don't be!
 @tsimonq2, waits for harsh criticism about microphone choices
 @lastdon82, Heh well that's hard
 @tsimonq2, writes a very stern letter
 the lack of /me in telegram is amazing. especially when viewed from the IRC side of the bridge
 Okay, let's start with this.
 I implore you to read the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. https://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct
 Insults and attacks is not how we solve issues here. Pushing for A/V calls that we later post to Youtube is not how we solve issues.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Implore whom? (I guess you meant to tag @profetik777 or PM him?)
 No, he wants this public it's going to be public. In the community.
 ok
 You seem to come at us with a premise that the marketing team is still facing the same situation that you did when you joined. But we've come a long way in those six months.
 Apt get with UT or no?
 @alan_morford, strongly not recommended
 @UniversalSuperBox, Consent is the keyword
 @dohbee, You can, but I wouldn't recommend.
 I didn't know I was recorded but hey I told him what I think. It is not write with him posted that conversation with Flo at all
 @alan_morford, if you want CLI tools a plain chroot is pretty easy to set up for it. If you want GUI X11 apps, libertine is the best way right now.
 @lastdon82, Right*
 I thought the conversation was just him and Simon and that Simon knew that he was being recorded
 @lastdon82, if you mean the forum thread, I think Florian wouldn't mind were it a more respectful video and not skipping all over things to be a one sided faeces flinging vid. the forum is public after all
 @dohbee, Get u
 @JoeRess, Nick joined in after a few minutes while it was already recording. Nick was referring to the previous video about the forum post
 Let's leave all of that aside for one moment, and get to the bottom of it.
 The marketing team is not shackled.
 I made it clear marketing strategy is key for funding
 indeed
 Currently I am good with what we have going
 marketing is not really a major issue for ubports at the moment
 it's chugging along just fine
 Correct, but that doesn't mean that we don't have a team working on it. With people who love what we do.
 @dohbee, I agree
 @UniversalSuperBox, I did point that out and asked if he had an issue with Wayne being incharge
 @UniversalSuperBox, Right. And even if that was just a few devs who set aside some time for doing marketing bits, that would still be fine.
 @dohbee, That point was also raised. I believe in dev guys handling marketing as well if they have the exposure
 anyway, i'm off to pub. might pop in from the phone to see what happens
 @dohbee, 🍺
 @tsimonq2, how were you manipulated? i gave you ample time to speak, plug your stuff, and you raised great points.
 @JoeRess, He did, asked him to give me a sec to fire up OBS.
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 @lastdon82, Correct save marketing for when we get carrier sold devices
 Drop it for now
 We can revisit when things are cooler
 Hey look at that http://cdimage.ubports.com/clicks/
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 2018 feels like the year we will have devices for the masses at carriers world wide
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 Unity8 desktop, now with mirror 0.29 :)
 @mariogrip, Mir not mirror :P
 @mariogrip, OMG OMG OMG!!! now i want that! :))
 but i am not sure how to remove 0.26 and install 0.29 :D
 because besides mir there are other packages that needs compiled against 0.29? qtmir and stuff?
 don't know "(
 @popescu_sorin, Pushing the install script now
 Pushed :) just run the enable-mir0.29.sh script
 @mariogrip, sorry, but I didn't understand very well what it is... is it a different thing from yunit, right?
 @mariogrip, muhahaha! thanks! :D
 now i haz to make another videoh :D
 that's the redsigned terminal! I want that :)
 :D
 the one with 0.26 is already old wololo
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUxVdURZdRk
 can you also try out unity8 stuffs like workspace switcher and windowing stuffs? :D I'm asking too much LOL
 not sure with workspaces is in this version of unity8
 I also fixed xapps :) but now quzilla will start in xmir
 wohooo :D
 (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/rtNQZ0mk/file_3371.jpg
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/4WrLDn6P/file_3372.svg
 @Waldbursche, hey, it isn't a vectorial image...
 @popescu_sorin, I was actually asking Marius :P … but that was just a rhetorical request... LOL
 oh :D
 @mariogrip shouldn't be xenial_-_mir29 in the script? https://github.com/ubports/unity8-desktop-install-tools/blob/master/enable-mir0-29.sh
 after running the script i'm still on 0.26 :D
 line 16: echo "deb http://repo.ubports.com/ xenial_-_mir26 main" » /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubports.list
[11:09] <tgBot> Mr_Doge was added by: Mr_Doge
 Heyy
 Welcome back Mr Doge
 Thanks...🐶
 Anything we can help with?
 @Stereofont, Just building the halium rn, soon i'll need help
 When i'll come to the ub part
 I thought placing UT on top was easy😂 Outside my pay grade though 😎
 Remind people which device?
 @Waldbursche, Thanks, but it seems this is just a pixel graphic embedded in a SVG... 😆😅
 Does anyone know where that picture originated? Who made it? He should have a proper SVG or at least a AI file or stuff
 Wayne or Jan should be able to help
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/LNkrnx6M/file_3374.jpg
 Hi, I read that UBports only supports click and html5 app in thr future. I hope it's still possible to pack a C++/QML app into a click package? I only found click tutorials with QML-only apps...
 MUHAHAHAHA! it works! @mariogrip
 @DylanVanAssche, yeah it's possible with c++
 Oh okay, since heavy lifting with QML will be super slow
 @DylanVanAssche, In the future, snaps, appimages and flatpaks also. That is my understanding
 As long as C++/QML combo stays supported I'm happy. If I want to develop cross-platform apps between SFOS and UT I need C++/QML
 @DylanVanAssche, If you are not in the OpenStore group I suggest you join
 I'm not, I will try to find it, thanks!
 The link is on the uAppexplorer page
 http://open.uappexplorer.com/telegram
 @peternerlich, Sorry, wrong file 🙈
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/waGQAWY1/file_3375.svg
 @peternerlich, I don't know
 @Waldbursche, Cannot check it atm, how did you get it?
 did you create it yourself?
 @Waldbursche, but did you vetrorialize that by yourself from the png?
 Yes, I'm created it myself from png. I don't know, who has the original of this.
 because I tried to let inkscape automatically approximate a vector image from the png but it turned out cluttered and unusable for repurposing or changing stuff
 system updates is now back in 16.04 images but it still doesn't work? On my Nexus 5, I'm still still in r172 and doesn't detect new updates. I think r174 is the latest
 @peternerlich, Yes, it is so. We should have the original file of this graphic. But i don't know, who this owns
 Probably should be some fairly tight controls on usage, since it is our logo?
 @Stereofont, You are over committing..
 @technicalbird, For sure, no guarantees. Nobody knows how it will turn out. In principle, any of those might be included. It is a question of how much 'desktopness' there will be, as UT 16.04 matures
 @Stereofont, Thats why i asked here a few days before for it is okay? And i asked Marius.
 It is about 'brand identity' so it should be protected against misuse at least
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 @Stereofont, Strong rules makes difficult to find users which help to creat new things. Its my opinion.
 @Waldbursche, The stickers were great. I think there should be a simple method go get permission but that permission should always be necessary.  Others may see it differently of course
 maybe sticking 'ubports' on it would already help prevent misuse, because one can easier search for a name than for an image to get the context
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH1x51w76Uw
 mir 0.29 muh better
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/yKFg26th/file_3376
 how is it better?
 bug fixes
 and initial support for wayland clients
 i haz to try that part
 cool! will it land soon in 16.04 UBports images? :D
 mir 0.29? it's already on ubports repos
 https://github.com/ubports/unity8-desktop-install-tools
 not sure when on the phone )
 @Stereofont, Mi 4, and RN4
[13:19] <tgBot> fide_gr was added by: fide_gr
 I have a doubt. @popescu_sorin and @mariogrip whit witch gpu/driver are running mir. Is possible use Wayland support in actual ecosystem to run mir, or is need it, specially support to mir in gpu drivers?
 @Stereofont, I agree 👍
[13:24] <tgBot> <Nithin Padavu> Just noticed it now
[13:24] <tgBot> <Nithin Padavu> Cant edit OSM with the browser now
[13:25] <tgBot> <Nithin Padavu> It was possible before
 Welcome @fide_gr! Please read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get up to speed and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
 @David_Gamiz_Jimenez, you mean whether mir requires special driver support
 @David_Gamiz_Jimenez, i am using an intel cpu but i don't know how low level stuff works, probably using mesa whatever that is on desktop, and wayland is just a protocol, like a XML with text in it
 https://wayland.freedesktop.org/architecture.html
 @David_Gamiz_Jimenez, Foss drivers should mostly work
 https://community.ubuntu.com/t/mir-architecture/467
 @David_Gamiz_Jimenez mir has a platform driver ABI - so you could support arbitrary ways to transfer graphics from clients to the compositor
 on Foss drivers the implementation uses dma buf fd and fd passing .. and kms on the server.. yeah there used to be drivers that could not do that in the past.. but we fixed the relevant ones upstream
 Wayland/wenston not is the equivalent to mir/miral?
 @anpok, Yes driver support specific to mir windows server/composer
 proprietary nvidia drivers won't work
 i havn't tried it on my amd card
 intel is known to work generally (some much newer, or much older chips, may have issues)
 (poulsbo doesn't work, for example)
 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-2017-Recap
 @wayneoutthere ^^ you might like that phoronix
[14:02] <tgBot> Carlos was added by: Carlos
 Hi, i'm carlos and i from Colombia. I'm a linux user
 @Carlos, Hello Carlos. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 @Carlos, Have you got Ubuntu Touch? Where did you hear about us?
 I want install ubuntu touch in a phon
 But i dont know
 I suggest you join the Welcome Room. Click the button on the link
 Also https://t.me/UBPorts_ES
 @popescu_sorin, will this work on phones? 😁
 Umm ok
 @Carlos, If you make a Telegram username it is then possible to ping you and give invites
 @Javacookies, this is for the desktop, installs the unity8-desktop-session and add the ubports repos
 you need 16.04
 oh okay I see
 How to type CTRL+B in terminal of Ubuntu Touch?
 "2017/12/30 18:13:42 Done pushing /home/turan/.cache/ubuntuimages/pool/ubports-062c39ed2b8d510ba40a5a05ed4ca0ba0a22a9f274a006dafcdad9395b202160.tar.xz to device … 2017/12/30 18:13:42 Created ubuntu_command: /home/turan/.cache/ubuntuimages/ubuntu_commands678562421 … 2017/12/30 18:13:42 Rebooting into recovery to flash"
 @popescu_sorin, it's also running qt 5.9 btw :)
 stucks on here, phone shuts down and doesn't come back
 @Alex, physical keyboard, or change the keyboard function keys type at left just above OSK
 device is bq e4.5
 @turanmahmudov, manually boot into recovery while plugged to usb? also, you used the correct --recovery-image with ubuntu-device-flash i presume?
 @mariogrip, nice :D LTS
 sudo ubuntu-device-flash —server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch —device=krillin —channel=ubports-touch/16.04/devel
 the problem started after upgrading to 16.04
 "adb reboot recovery" gives error: … "reboot failed: -1"
 okay, went to recovery mode with "volume up"+"power" buttons
 @turanmahmudov, default recovery image lacks adb support. you need the krillin recovery image which has adb, which gets passed to u-d-f with --recovery-image
 --recovery-image=krillin.img or what?
 http://cdimage.ubports.com/devices/recovery-krillin.img
 is the image you need
 @mariogrip, Ooooo
 @popescu_sorin, Popescu, we love you :)
 @popescu_sorin, Isn't this Unity8 thing similar to what has been done by Yunit team?
 Thanks a lot :)
 BTW, Greaaaatttt!!!!!
 changes in keyboard-component aren't included in 16.04 )
 Instagraph works smoother in 16.04 than 15.04 :D
 @turanmahmudov, yeah, work is being done to get the 16.04 builds up to parity with the 15.04 builds
 @dohbee, I hope I will see soon :)
 @popescu_sorin, Can I insstall in my S3 mini?
 @TronFortyTwo, it looks like but instead on working together they splitted lol
 and I want to make a comment about the last "anbox thing". I think bringing android app support to ubuntu touch is not good for developers. I am working hard on my apps (ubuntu clients for android apps) to bring more features. After android app support users would use android versions instead of mine
 I would stop developing for ubuntu if users start to use android apps
 @turanmahmudov, That is not the intention but it is a risk. We need to support UT developers like you very strongly. Doing that must be a priority for 2018. Thank you for your efforts 😍
 @malditobastardo, No working port so far afaik
 @Flohack, 😿😿
 (I was just kidding..)
 Samsung devices with Exynos. Got S3 to boot but no GUI
 @malditobastardo, S3 Mini was a suspicious choice 😂
 @Stereofont, Thank you :)
 @turanmahmudov, Thats the reason canonical never officially invested in anbox... or in using the inofficial chrome port to support android
 @turanmahmudov a native application will always feel better and work better..
 but user would use Android apps instead Ubuntu Touch apps
 I wonder if it will be possible to do any cross-application communication with applications running inside anbox ..
 @anpok, There is community here. It isn't just about technical matters
 @anpok, you mean other than using tcp/ip ?
 yes... I mean everything around content hub..
 maube using linux fifo? I mean if anbox is similar to sudo, service inside anbox could frite to fifo and service in UT outside of the container could be reading it, Theoretically
 or using filedb in a folder on anbox that is mounted with —bind switch from outside of andbox
 but I imagine that if there were 2 services one in UT another in anbox, they could just talk to each other via a socket
 I would still definitely use native apps even if Anbox is out especially if the native app is great like your apps ;)
 (Photo, 698x467) https://irc.ubports.com/DtmTqDnU/file_3378.jpg hmm I wonder what marius is up to
 @Stereofont, Well there was a early alpha port in 2013 or so
 @Javacookies, thanks :) but official Instagram app gives more features than mine, thats why users would use it, not mine
 I only make ubuntu touch clients of android apps
 @Flohack, UBports_archaeology 😎
 @turanmahmudov, Not all features of Android will be available, so some Apps might not run at all ;)
 @turanmahmudov, well you have a point,it's definitely a risk
 @UniversalSuperBox, Must be something good
 maybe they should make anbox available but make it work but not too good so users won't use it always 😁
 #abandon_android
 @Flohack, I hope so )
 Emulators are always messy and more limited than the 'real thing'
 It's a discussion that was hashed, and rehashed, and rehashed. In the end, this was the decision we made.
 If you like Android, change to Android.
 @Javacookies, 😆
 Hey guys where do I ask for feature requests regarding browser and accelerometer api
 It should widen the pool of app developers, which will move things in a positive direction
 @immanuelsamuel, https://github.com/ubports/webbrowser-app
 @turanmahmudov, you know what? I created an Instagram account just to test your app...I now use it for following hot chx, LOL
 @turanmahmudov, That would be a pity. The introduction of Wine never stopped Linux and associated FOSS from being further developed so perhaps Anbox will, in the longer run, merely be a useful additional tool. I might, rarely, want to be able to access an Android app where no alternative is currently available but I chose a phone that runs Linux for a reason (or for several reasons) so I am very unlikely to stop using and stop supporting UT because of
[15:44] <tgBot> 'novelty add on' ;)
 When you cross the road you may be knocked down by a bus but that doesn't mean never cross the road
 @UniversalSuperBox, the decision was made without asking to developers
 anbox would be available anyways sooner or later for sure
 #NoveltyAddonBox 🤡
 we won't know its effect until anbox is out for quite some time....actually my apps will be the first ones to be obsolete when the bad thing happens 😂
 With Andbox you increase the number of users and lose programmers. That decision has been made and must be accepted, but that does not mean I think it is a good idea.
 @Javacookies, I also reactivated my account to test the app :D I also made a tinder client for ubuntu, while I was testing i met a girl there and we're together now 😆 ubuntu power 😆
 (Sticker, 448x512) https://irc.ubports.com/WhT6mUE7/file_3349
 no way! 😆 but you haven't even released it yet?
 @turanmahmudov, The Director of Marketing should be told about this 😎
 New programmers will come to support UT too.. you never know
 @Mark, linux + wine and ubuntu + anbox are different things
 @malditobastardo, Yes, I think so. There will be less distance to travel
 @mimecar, 👍
 @mimecar, 👍
 Being able to use Android apps, a programmer would make an Android app and use it on Android and Ubuntu Touch
 good thing I don't develop my for anyone...it's just really for my own use so I won't be affected regardless of what happens 😝
 To attract programmers you need applications to work on Ubuntu Touch but also on the desktop.
 @mimecar, Indeed. Thats why developing for UT native will be an incentive
 @mimecar, Agreed. That will come in the medium term. We will need to fill the gap in the short term
 One possibility would be to be able to program Ubuntu Touch applications using desktop applications (Qtcreator).
 @Javacookies, no I haven't
 At the moment, using the Ubuntu Touch SDK is not a good idea for application support.
 it will really be a good incentive especially if apps written for Ubuntu Touch can be snapped and run on any desktop distro that supports snappy
 Even if they are not Snap packages
 You need to be able to program a complex application without spending more time on the SDK than on code.
 yes of course 🙂 but for dependencies like the UT toolkit, snap would be better
 From anbox to snaps, we will have to make decisions, and every time somebody will be unhappy. But thats how life goes.
 @Flohack, that's true
 @turanmahmudov, then you should, I would definitely create a tinder account although I'm not even a bit interested with it 😂
 @turanmahmudov, I'm sure that is true from a technical point of view. Surely from a user perspective both are simply a way to safely run software from a different OS on our Linux devices?
 Hi guis i am new to this project and have not yet an overview how the structure of this community is setup .. i recognized some  .. lets say bad vibrations a few hours ago .. and while browsing the 34c3 play list i came across this talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVdRMQsMkgc … I havent seen it compleetly yet nor am i aware of all the implicit groups and motivations here. So i dont meant to step on someones toes but maybe this talk and the
[16:00] <tgBot> informations are halpfull in a way 😉 have a good evening
 I need Anbox for carsharing in Vienna. Cant have my own car, and they stopped the normal webpage. So for me it will help a lot
 Whichever path we take, we must manage risks, not ignore them. Risks are normal. We just have to walk around the hole, not step straight into it
 @Stereofont, I agree yes. But we have to learn this. Amateurs are not used to riskbased mgmt of projects
 @Flohack, 10000%
 @Flohack I need whatsapp for years, but I didn't ignore ubuntu and didn't go to use android for it
 with anbox users would use whatsapp on it
 And thats a bad thing how?
 and no one will develop any whatsapp client for ubuntu
 @turanmahmudov, Yes the userbase we have is not going back to android I think
 @turanmahmudov, That can never happen anyway,  even if a developer wanted to
 @Flohack, I also understand this, and I can imagine it will anyway sooner or later someone else would try to bring Anbox to UT. Much better if Marius can take care about it.
 This one must be for @mariogrip https://github.com/userj/say-ubuntu
 Roflmao!
 I can also see big impact in many IT news regarding the Anbox announcement
 anyway I just wanted to share my thought :)
 @turanmahmudov, It is not a negative thing to share and discuss genuine concerns. It makes us stronger and better prepared
[16:26] <antonlan> @tuhranmhttp://forum.ubuntuusers.de/forum/ubuntu-touch/ahmudov my oppinion is most these users, who use ubports would when they have the chance to use native apps for ubports, only until this is so they use android apps with anbox
 @Mark, wine is not really a good comparison. it's not a vm that runs windows apps. it's something that has to independently implement every API call in specific ways for apps to work correctly. hence, many apps do not work correctly
 @Javacookies, could make it run slower to save battery ;)
 or apps will only work by request 😝
 only whatsapp, snapchat, and tinder will work
 until some 14years old kid comes and hack anbox to run faster
 Either way, it would have happened
 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 meh
 Yay! Mir is "working" on VirtualBox now!
 @Flohack, Same for me for parking in the tolled places in my municipality, they will never release the API of that app for anything different from Android and IOS.
 I get API with mitmproxy
 Mitmproxy or Charles Proxy reveals this in seconds. Also the Chrome/Firefox Developer tools can do the trick :) I got already all the API calls of the new Tinder webapp ^^
 Anyone know what broke the OnePlus One keyboard on ubp-16.04?
 broke?
 @xreactx, It isn't really 'broken’. The car didn't leave the factory yet!
 📵
 @xreactx, If you mean there are troubles with it appearing when tapping on entry fields, it's probably just old bugs (all of the fixes that went into the 15.04 builds aren't in the 16.04 builds yet)
[17:32] <tgBot> Thomas was added by: Thomas
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 @dohbee, Gotchya
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Fsv07829/file_3380.jpg
 Any help?
 I have oneplus one
 Select device manually > Oneplus One
 Not working
 Nothing happens when I click on select manually
[17:53] <tgBot> psychoalternative was added by: psychoalternative
 @Beingmishra, What are you trying to install?
 @psychoalternative, Hello Virali and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 hi guys
 @Stereofont, Ubuntu touch on my Oneplus one aka bacon
 @Beingmishra, 15.04?
 @Stereofont, Whatever version installer installs
 @Beingmishra, 😂
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/xcGJ00i0/file_3382.jpg When tried as administrator
 @Beingmishra, Please join the Welcome Room. Click the button in the new member greeting
 guys, can i install ubuntu touch on unsupported device? can i compile it?
 @psychoalternative, With difficulty (lots) but only by building a Halium port first
 @Beingmishra click here pls https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Which device are you thinking about?
 http://t.me/UBports_Ru
 @milkor73, Downloaded the installer from that page 😔
 @Beingmishra, Follow us there and we will help you with the installation
 @Beingmishra, The Welcome Room link is also there
[18:05] <tgBot> oxxxygen was added by: oxxxygen
 Hi Anton
 @oxxxygen, Hello Anton and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 Hi all =)
[18:12] <tgBot> Ram_rdb was added by: Ram_rdb
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 Hi! Happy new year! Somebody know how to increase the font sizeof ubports ubuntu phone?
 I use a bq E5 and the fonts are too small..
 @xreactx, https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/395 it's a know bug
 @Jyoti, UTtweaktool?
 @mariogrip, I've patch for that btw
 (fixing audioflingerglue crash)
 @turanmahmudov, Just to add my opinion on it. Sailfish OS has android support btw, seems to work for them. But my opinion is that, we are kinda "stuck". The fact is that we wont get any apps like Whatsapp anytime soon (or at all), this means we will not get users, and without users we wont get those "popular" apps that people really depend on. and this is an atempt to break this endless loop. Native will always be faster, smoother, better, less
[19:12] <tgBot> battery hungry, uses less power and in overall much better, and some apps might not straght up not work.
 @bhushanshah, oh! :D
 @mariogrip, But you'll have to wait for new year.. I don't have access to my laptop till 2
 (in exchange for libcompat fixes :P)
 Thanks,Lionelb
 sounds works in general, but it also uses some old pulse.pa from vivid (since we use the same device rootfs)
 so that's why it's super broken now :P
 but just on bacon and FP2
 @mariogrip, Thanks for your words, very important.
 @Jyoti, I checked in there. I can't see a solution. We have no Accessibilty options. Something to add to the long list
 @exar_kun im looking at you! https://github.com/userj/say-ubuntu
 @Jyoti, You mean that the system font is too small?
 @UniversalSuperBox, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 @mariogrip, Looolll
 @mariogrip, Can you PM me?
 Lionelb, i installed UTTweak tool but did not find an option to increase fonts... :-)
 @Jyoti, Sorry. I suggested it without checking. Maybe someone here has an idea
 Ok. Thanks, anyway :-)
[19:33] <tgBot> Paktosan was added by: Paktosan
 @Paktosan, welcome
 Thanks! Came here from a link in the Yunit group.
 @Paktosan, Hello Julian and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @Paktosan, Ahah. Did you hear about the Unity 8 demo?
 Exactly.
 Did you see the YouTube video?
 @mariogrip, 😅
[19:58] <tgBot> berchio was added by: berchio
 Anyone owns a bacon here?
 @berchio, Hello David and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 Hi!
 Anyone building Desktop Apps Scope?
[20:01] <tgBot> Dion was added by: Dion
 Or is it possible to reenable the Ubuntu Store?
 @Dion, Hello Dion. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 I thought there was someone doing that...
 @bhdouglass, do you remember?
 Desktop apps scope
 @berchio, No the store will close in 1 week or so
 oh that's end of the year already
 @Flohack, Why is it be closed soon?
 @vanyasem, shit time goes by really fast
 @Flohack, Why will it be closed soon?
 @Dion, Erm because Canonical has dropped the support in last April? =) And they made a promise to keep it open until end of year
 The OpenStore is not affected
 It is possible to extract the scope from the store before it closes?
 which scope?
 Desktop apps
 libertine
 @Flohack, What do you think UBports would do without the store?
 @berchio, Stefano Vergenassi may done
 @Dion, The OpenStore is not affected, it is our primary app store
 @milkor73, Is he on here?
 He might be out being merry right now
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/zRIdcc02/file_3385.webp
 @UniversalSuperBox, Thank you.
 @Dion, Hmm time for you to catch up with the news, we got openstore, where we placed already a lots of popular Apps, and people are very happy with it. Its a good replacement for the old store
 And yes, there was a copy of other stuff made, but without the consent of the original authors we cannot just publish it
 If you find the author and he wants his stuff still around we can put it there ^^
 I will look in what it gets.
 @berchio, David, what is thing that you want to achieve by having that scope?
[20:15] <tgBot> Henrik was added by: Henrik
 @Henrik, Hello Henrik. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 @Stereofont, Launch xorg programs?
 hi Henrik
 Hi everyone!
 @Flohack, Who has the copy?
 @berchio, I think @sverzegnassi ;)
 @Henrik, Have you got Ubuntu Touch Henrik? btw. Dutch?  Norwegian?
 @Flohack, Wrote to him, thanks
 @Stereofont, Not yet, I just read about it. I thought it was discontinued, but you still seem to be pretty active here. I'm from Germany btw.
 http://t.me/UBports_Deutsch
 We have a group for that too 😎
 Oh cool, thanks for the link!
 @Henrik, Jonatan's article?
 @Stereofont, No idea, tbh. I basically stumbled across the website of ubports while looking for an alternative mobile OS. Heard of the UbuntuTouch project before, though.
 I have BQ Aquaris M10 FHD Ubuntu edition. There is nothing developing on it. And it is worse that the Ubuntu Touch SDK is outdated and buggy.
 I have not used it for few months.
 Canonical dropped it but it is improved a lot since and there are ambitious plans for 2018
 Yeah, we're rapidly moving toward Clickable as the only way to develop apps.
 Where you can use whatever IDE or text editor you want
 https://ikhaya.ubuntuusers.de/2017/12/30/ubuntu-touch-lebt-und-stellt-android-apps-in-aussicht/
 Henrik, are you thinking about getting a compatible phone? Maybe you have one?
 Sounds great! Is there any way yo get involved? My phone is most definitely not compatible (Verne's Apollo Lite from a Chinese manufacturer). How hard would it be to port UbTouch over? Kernel source is at least available for my phone. Or would it be better to get a new one?
 Halium porting is by no means easy, and you'd need sources for the Device tree as well. Sad state of things.
 @Henrik, Horribly difficult. Probably impossible
 New 😎
 Or used…
 OPO seems a sound and inexpensive choice right now
 Too bad. ^^' … Then I'll have a the look at the currently supported phones. Thanks for the tip!
 @Henrik, You heard that Anbox is coming?
 @Stereofont, Haven't heard about it but it seems to be interesting.
 Transport and parking apps are unlikely to be available natively ever, so it should solve that problem for you
 Do I understand correctly that one would be able to run android apps on UBports with Anbox?
 Will UBports foucs OS and SDK on Intel and/or AMD devices basically?
 @Henrik, Not all. Not every one perfectly. Quite a lot of functionality though
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/bC4OdGFN/file_3390.jpg
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/9yJ9IbDH/file_3392.jpg
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/wJGCmmTW/file_3391.jpg
 @Dion, Hmm? The OS runs on Android hardware, mostly. The SDK has been neglected, but there are tutorials to setting up a development environment. Would you like one?
 @Jyoti, most things use grid units to specify everything, including font size. `export GRID_UNITS=16` or such in your ~/.profile to adjust font size
 @UniversalSuperBox, Yes Sure give me information
 @dohbee, 👍 Many thanks
 @Dion, https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/appdev/index.html
 @popescu_sorin, Are instructions already public?
 @TronFortyTwo, No, those were the screenshots that Marius shared
 ^^
 oh whatever😂
 i think anbox uses SDL for the graphic/input stuff?
 and then there is the backend stuff
 geeky stuff
 @popescu_sorin, Kris did you install 16.04 dev?
 i did on fp2, a month ago?
 but i'm on stable now
 ok
 @popescu_sorin, teasing us badly
 Also that's not Kris
 @popescu_sorin, 15.04?
 15.04 ota3
 same on m10 tablet
 still have to update the mx4 from canonical image
 or i will just box the phone :D
 i kinda like to keep it as original
 @Mr_Doge, Pavlov's dog?
 @popescu_sorin, ok same here on pro5 amd m10
 the mx4 was from canonical
 @popescu_sorin, both my pro5 and m10 are from canonical
 nice :D
 Is 16.04 devel on M10 working suitable?
 it's probably good enough to install and send bug reports :D
 it will be more interesting to see who can fix all them bugs
 Is flashing without wipe working?
 i don't see why flashing without wipe wouldn't work
 To my knowledge, yes it works
 But, just like reinstalling the OS on your computer, back up your important data first
 I test it now. Who cares. It is the last day before the year is going down 😅
 @UniversalSuperBox, Thats right.
 @Waldbursche, i did flash without wipe on both my bq m10 and pro5. I did backup though just incase
 👍🏻
 (Photo, 800x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/uhKf8RDY/file_3394.jpg Okay, I'm on.
 Now i try to register the telegram app. I gave in my telephon number and confirm. But no code generated. Whats wrong?
 hm.. telegram will send you a code via SMS or as a message if you have telegram on another deive (i think)
 I know. But on the screen the wheel is rotating and nothing happens
 Reboot makes not better
 i'm amazed you got that far :D
 at least telegram is starting on 16.04
 The wifi settings are empty 😵
 16.04 don't work good. Any app crashed by trying to open. Only TG and sytemsettings going to open.
 Should i flash again?
 I have a feeling this is due to not wiping
 You should be able to go back to 15.04 at this point.
 I should don't try to stay in16.04?
 If you want to keep your data, you could go back to 15.04
 Otherwise, I'm willing to bet that things would start working if you wipe
 It's still not perfect
 I haven't data to keep on m10
 i have a feeling wiping wouldn't really help
 Okay, i try it 😅
 It's weekend. I'm cool 🤓😅
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/9BFMWF2g/file_3395.mp4
 :))
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 Ok thank
 @Waldbursche, Same problem. I flashed with wipe.
 Screen rotation don't work
 Open Store shows non content
 Gallery and Browser app crashed, when i try to open it
 @awawi, What is your first language Amin?
 not sure what's up with store
 the default installed apps shouldn't crash on start though, that's a bit odd
 @mariogrip, 👍
 @Waldbursche neither file manager is working on nexus 5 with 16.04/devel r174, nor phone app nor messaging app
 Okay
 I mean when I opened them the screen became white and no way to interact with these app
 same here
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/2CWKE3vB/file_3396.deb
 on the other side, respect last week end, TG can open, but, as you said, I can't receive sms
 install that package and at least the filemanager will work again ;)
 question: I opened the term app and the default location of the user is "/usr/share/click/preinstalled/" ... why?
 It's a preinstalled app
 Yes, that's an ugly behaviour like many others :) You can switch back to old default typing … ```cd ~```
 But I bet you knew that ;)
 yep, I understand, but why not /home/phablet as usual
 That's a good question 🤔
 Apps don't get installed to home either way
 Also the Filemanager doesn't start from ~
 But because they are part of the default image, they go in rootfs
 Maybe the global information, where ~ is, got lost (dirmodel ?) or can't be read in former way.
 no, @dohbee, correct, but for any user normally the "starting path" should be his $HOME/
 Oh. I misread your question
 Not sure why cwd is wrong
 thanks @nfsprodriver your lib file allows me see the directories in the phablet's home, but not the ircontent
 surprisingly uRadio works fine ... almost better in 16.04 than in 15.04 (@malditobastardo)
 ircontent = hidden files? Yes it really seems that xenial has different file system handling yet.
 ircontent = their content
 sorry
 even though I enabled the visualization of hidden files, it doesn't work either
 it is curious: I enabled GPS ubication and the Time&Date setting doesn't get it; ok , no problem: I used the location search and it affirms that Barcelona is UTC+0, which is not correct, since it shoud be UTC+1 as today
 Before you use the system-settings time prefs, you should run … ```sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata``` … and select your time zone so your hard-and sorfware clock get synced again. That gets lost switching the channel.
 ok, it sounds much better now
 @stefanomelchior, uRadio forever! best UT native app
 ... but, i tried to set time and date automatically and the app crashed and the system looped, so that I needed to power it off with the power button, and to restart it again with that button
 I am tempted to try 16.04 but right now I am depending on uMatriks to be in touch with my family members
 Yep, xenial is in very early state. But I think, we shouldn't bomb the group with what's not working. We should create a ticket on github I think.
 corret @nfsprodriver
 @malditobastardo uMatriks seems to work (at least I tried to chat with a botand it answered)
 @stefanomelchior, Great to know, thank you Stex :)
 https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/398
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 Thanks @neothethird !
 haha, you were actually just talking about this, didn't even see that 🙈
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