[09:08] <ricotz> henrix, hi :), are looking into backporting 4.2.0-19.23 as linux-lts-wily to trusty too?
[09:15] <henrix> ricotz: yes, i'll probably be uploading it into the kernel team PPA today.  soon it will hit -proposed
[09:24] <ricotz> henrix, great thanks
[10:37] <caribou> apw: smb` cking: any reason why vt.handoff=7 would break my boot following upgrade to Xenial ?
[10:37] <apw> caribou, you should have the same kernel as you had in wily, so no
[10:37] <caribou> I have a fully encrypted HD and unless I remove it, I just get a blank screen & nothing else
[10:38] <caribou> apw: I noticed a change in libplymouth
[10:38] <apw> caribou, try hitting esc (or is it tab) twice to switch out of and into graphics mode again at the prompt
[10:38] <caribou> I also loose my USB keyboard + external display
[10:39] <caribou> apw: thanks, will try that
[10:39]  * caribou biab
[10:40] <apw> caribou, what did you upgrade from, as the kernel, grub2, and plymouth are at the same versions in wily as xenial
[10:51] <caribou> apw: yes, I just noticed that
[10:51] <caribou> apw: I upgraded from Wily
[10:51] <caribou> apw: so hitting tab/esc brings me to the encryption password
[10:51] <caribou> so I'm able to boot but w/o sound, external display & USB keyboard even if this one is seen by the kernel
[10:52] <caribou> so I don't think it's a kernel issue
[11:12] <apw> caribou, very odd behaviour though.  i am going to guess the tab thing is a race as much as anything, i have seen that before i think
[11:13] <apw> caribou, but the  latter issues with sound etc is just plain strange
[11:13] <caribou> apw: indeed, I'm looking at it atm
[11:16] <caribou> apw: well, alsactl reports on soundcard found, so that takes care of it
[11:17] <apw> "no" or "one"
[11:17] <apw> ?
[11:18] <caribou> apw: alsactl[808]: /usr/sbin/alsactl: load_state:1735: No soundcards found...
[11:18] <caribou> apw: I also get systemd complains about apparmor
[11:18] <apw> oh systemd, hmmm, cking didn't you have that barfing on you as well ?
[11:19] <cking> apw, it SEGV'd on an arm64 debian unstable update for me
[11:19] <apw> there is a new apparmour in xenail-proposed
[11:19] <cking> rendered the machine unbootable
[11:20] <cking> apw, I was not using apparmor 'cos I was using debian unstable ;-)
[11:20] <apw> cking, if it was debian then its off the table
[11:20] <apw> ta
[11:21]  * cking notes that since systemd is critical to a functioning system we should probably do static analysis and some kind of formal stress testing on it to see if we can shake out bugs
[11:23] <diwic> caribou, could it be that the -extra kernel package is missing?
[11:24] <diwic> caribou, that matches somewhat with your description of missing sound and USB
[11:25] <caribou> diwic: I think you are onto something, yes it's not there
[11:25] <caribou> err, NO it's not there
[11:27] <caribou> diwic: apw: is it normal NO TO FIND a linux-image-extra for linux-image-4.2.0-18-generic
[11:27] <caribou> let me reboot to .17 for which I have one
[11:27] <apw> caribou, it is not normal no
[11:28] <apw> have you lost your linux-generic or something ?
[11:30] <caribou> apw: diwic: ok .17 works fine, I got everything back
[11:31] <caribou> apw: let me recheck my archive, one second
[11:31] <apw> caribou, so confirm you have linux-generic installed correctly
[11:31] <apw> caribou, and also check that apt-get install -f doesn't say you are in the middle of an update
[11:33] <caribou> apw: apt-get -f install is fine
[11:34] <caribou> I disabled my squid-deb-proxy as well
[11:34] <apw> and you have linux-generic installed, and you have no linux-image-extra-* ?
[11:34] <caribou> yes
[11:34] <apw> for that abi ?
[11:34] <apw> that ... is impossible (in theory)
[11:35] <caribou> apw: here is the result of apt-cache search linux-image : http://paste.ubuntu.com/13237767/
[11:35] <caribou> apw: maybe a mirror issue, let me point directly to the main archive
[11:35] <apw> caribou, before you do that
[11:35] <apw> show linux-generic | egrep 'Version:|Depends:'
[11:36] <apw> apt-cache show linux-image-generic | egrep 'Version:|Depends:'
[11:39] <caribou> apw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13237786/
[11:39] <caribou> apw: even with the main archive, I don't see any linux-image-extra for .18
[11:40] <apw> caribou, there is no -18 in xenial ... at alllll
[11:40] <caribou> apw: ok, now I now what happened
[11:41] <apw> this is a process fail, caused by the emergency cve release
[11:42] <caribou> apw: I manually installed .18 just before the upgrade because it was complaining that it couldn't find it in the xenial archive
[11:43] <caribou> apw: so I went back to wily & manually installed .18 (forgetting to install the -extra)
[11:43] <apw> caribou, ok ... that then is all explained, and i am asking for that to be copied up, it should have been
[11:43] <caribou> apw: then upgraded
[11:43] <apw> yep, and now you are in a mess :)
[11:43] <caribou> apw: well, no I still have .17 which has all the bits
[11:43] <apw> hopefully we'll get that copied up into xenial today, it should have been
[11:43] <caribou> apw: ok, so that's the source of the problem, good to know
[16:00] <dannf> rtg: thanks for the pull! sorry for not mentioning the branch - i actually thought about it and decided to omit it, because start/end hashs would be unique (if my git foo is accurate)
[16:03] <rtg> dannf, I think you have to know the branch in order to fetch the commit, but no matter.
[16:05] <dannf> rtg: cool - yeah, will go back to including the branch name. TA!
[16:05] <apw> right, the sha1s are unique in space and time (in theory) but you need a handle which is exported, which is a tag or branch, you can't fetch arbitrary sha1s from a repo
[16:06]  * dannf didn't know you could restrict fetching shas to a branch - seems like every fetch i do from a remote get all objects
[16:06] <dannf> for some definition of all objects (not sure if objects from deleted branches are fetched)
[16:07] <rtg> dannf, a fetch should only be fetching the objects on that branch that you don't already have
[16:07] <rtg> if you fetch tags then you might be getting more then you need
[16:08] <dannf> i don't  - just get fetch. for example, when i git fetch my wily remote, i get both wily/master and wily/master-next
[16:13] <henrix> iirc, when you do 'git fetch' it will fetch all remote tracking branches (there's a git-config to set those i believe)
[16:14] <henrix> e.g. remote.origin.fetch=+refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/*
[16:40] <apw> dannf, as henrix says a clean fetch is fetching "all branches" and any objects those reference you don't have
[16:43] <apw> dannf, so to use your sha's i'd have to actually add your entire repo as a remote and fetch it, then find the shas that way, its more normal to offer me a real branch as then i can git fetch git://... yourbranch:dannf
[16:43] <apw> ...
[16:45] <dannf> apw: got it - makes sense
[17:22] <kamal> rtg, so I find that I can get all of the linux/tools/* stuff to build in our chroots with just two more -dev packages:
[17:22] <kamal> +ADDPKG="$ADDPKG libpopt-dev libreadline6-dev"
[17:22] <kamal> I think we should just go ahead an add those to build-mkschroot
[17:23] <kamal> also, build-mkschroot feels like it needs a good cleanup ... there are waaaay too many separate case $SUITE clauses, including at least one that I think is entirely pointless
[17:24] <kamal> (a case that adds libssl-dev to some $SUITES -- but libssl-dev is already added to all suites)
[17:25] <kamal> I'll submit those two patches ^^, but will hold off on doing any more cleanup, in case you like it the way it is
[17:29] <rtg> kamal, I'm fine with that. it has accumulated a lot of cruft as we add special cases to it from release to release


[07:53] <JuNkEe> Hi :)
 Hi there. ... I switched from Ubuntu to Lubuntu.  ... On my small old Computer it works fine. ... On the other one I run a dual boot system with windows10 and two hard drives. Mounting the ntfs partitions I only can read! ... Whats wrong? In Ubuntu I mounted the data hard drive with fstab ... UUID=(16digitcode) /home/stefan/Data ntfs u
[13:21] <diogenes_> Stefan, boot to windows and from windows restart to linux
[13:21] <diogenes_> and you good to go
 Thanks - I'll try later....
[13:51] <jaggiJ> I got issue with search function of 'start menu' e.g. -> https://imgur.com/a/lELhmJe
[13:51] <jaggiJ> It output Accessories instead of app names
[13:54] <jaggiJ> i noticed that after installation of Qt through online installer, but I dont know if it's related because last time I am sure it worked right was yesterday.
 Stefan boot Windows, disable FastBoot and shut down Windows
 Great! You made my day! Thanks a lot
 .... Got full access now👍


[10:16] <bird111> Bon dia! I know this is probably not the best channel for this question, but could someone please translate one sentence for me from english to catalan?
[10:19] <bird111> On facebook some catalans wrote "felicitats" (for my birthday) and I'd like to answer something like: thanks for the congratulations! how would i do that in catalan?
[10:20] <jordisayol> hi bird111
[10:20] <bird111> hi :)
[10:21] <jordisayol> in Catalan, usually we just answer "Moltes gràces" that mean "Thank You very much"
[10:22] <jordisayol> But You can say add at the end "En vida teva"
[10:23] <bird111> thanks for your hel! what does en vida teva mean?
[10:23] <jordisayol> is not easy to translate
[10:24] <bird111> ok, so i can say Moltes graciès or Moltes graciès! En vida teva!
[10:24] <jordisayol> something like, the hope you can see many of my birthdays
[10:25] <bird111> Oh ok, you helped me a lot! Thanks!
[10:25] <jordisayol> yes, that's right. Of course, You can say many other sentences
[10:25] <jordisayol> there is not an standard answer for this
[10:26] <jordisayol> where are you from bird111?
[10:27] <bird111> ok, I think this should be perfect already! Thanks again! I have to go now, I'm going to eat now with my collegues.
[10:27] <bird111> I'm from Germany!
[10:27] <jordisayol> ok :-)
[10:27] <bird111> But I've been to Barcelona for 4 months
[10:27] <jordisayol> aha
[10:27] <bird111> but my catalan is still not perfect ^^
[10:27] <jordisayol> it's ok
[10:28] <bird111> ok, it was nice to meet you! bye!
[10:28] <jordisayol> Your interest in Catalan is bigger than many other people have
[10:28] <jordisayol> me too
[10:28] <bird111> yeah, i love the language
[10:28] <bird111> it sounds great!
[10:28] <jordisayol> ah, happy birthday!
[10:28] <bird111> and i like the people there!
[10:29] <bird111> i had my birthday yesterday, but thanks ;)
[10:29] <jordisayol> well... :-/
[10:29] <jordisayol> the problem is to say this "before" the date
[10:30] <bird111> yeah ^^
[10:31] <bird111> i really have to go now, thanks again for your help! Greetings to Catalonia!
[10:31] <jordisayol> sure. bye bye


[09:21] <RikMills> crydotsnake-M: sorry, I didn't manage to get on the website last night. I will try to later today
[09:24] <crydotsnake-M> No Problem ! 😄 RikMills
[09:24] <crydotsnake-M> Thanks !
 https://twitter.com/kubuntu/status/1163751731294961664
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[20:33] <RikMills> yakuake 19.08.0 is into Eoan (it has blur config, which people seem obsessed with)
[20:33] <crydotsnake-M> Cool :))
[20:34] <RikMills> kdenlive 19.08.0 is also in as, people want the latest on that AWAYS
[20:35] <RikMills> the rest of apps 19.08 I am holding back, as we won't get more than one bugfix update in time for Eons if we update them all
[20:36] <RikMills> shipping a .1 bugfix release whne there is a .2 and .3 to come in a distro release is not great
[20:37] <RikMills> crydotsnake-M: I will get to those screenshots, I promise. I just keep getting backlogged
[20:38] <RikMills> after feature freeze on Thursday, that should ease somewhat
[20:38] <crydotsnake-M> Cant wait to see 19.10! :D. Its okay Rik! :)).
[20:38] <crydotsnake-M>  * Cant wait to see 19.10 and Help Testing on it ! :D. Its okay Rik! :)).
[20:40] <RikMills> ditto. :)
[20:42] <crydotsnake-M> For Example i found a bug on 19.10. Who can i Report that?, on Launchpad?.
[20:43] <RikMills> it depends very much on what the bug is. some might be a KDE bug that requires reporting on their tracker, which we then link a launchpad bug to. Some may be purely a distor issue
[20:44] <RikMills> *distor
[20:44] <RikMills> FFS
[20:44] <RikMills> *distro
[20:45] <crydotsnake-M> Okay. Anyway, i cant wait to test it! :). Are there big changes for Kubuntu in 19.10?.
[20:48] <RikMills> Nothing huge. We get new plasma/apps/frameworks. We have always tried to be a fairly conservative implementation of the KDE stack. No HUGE hacks or changes.
[20:52] <RikMills> we don't provide the near 'vanilla' Neon does, but nor do we go a bit off the wall that some plasma distor can
[20:54] <crydotsnake-M> Okay. Anyway it sounds nice! :))
[20:54] <crydotsnake-M>  * Okay. Anyway, i cant wait to Help testing! :). Are there big changes for Kubuntu in 19.10?.
[20:58] <RikMills> I think keeping Kubuntu going as a flavour for Ubuntu is important. OK, there is Neon (which I also help with), but a great KDE desktop should be available on stock Ubuntu. which i why I help do this
[20:59] <RikMills> help making that happen is invaluable :)
[20:59] <crydotsnake-M> I agree! :))
[21:00] <crydotsnake-M> I would also like to contribute very much there !
[21:02] <crydotsnake-M> My KDE Shirt is on the way to Germany, so the little first thing is done! 😎
[21:02] <RikMills> in the next few weeks/months or whatever, we can work out how to do that
[21:02] <crydotsnake-M> This would be cool! :)
[21:02] <RikMills> for record, even packaging is not that hard once you get your head round the debian weirdness
[21:03] <RikMills> my coding skills are ###t, but I can package!
[21:03] <crydotsnake-M> Okay :o. But it would be very cool, to be a KDE Developer like you are! :).
[21:04] <RikMills> it is still very weird to hear that I am!
[21:04] <crydotsnake-M> What do you mean?
[21:06] <RikMills> I joined this channel in 2016 just trying to help test things. as I was a bit worried about the future of Kubuntu
[21:07] <crydotsnake-M> I want to do the same! :). I want to do more things for Kubuntu in the Future!.
[21:07] <RikMills> now I am a Kubuntu developer and MOTU, and Council member
[21:08] <RikMills> it sorta snowballed!
[21:08] <crydotsnake-M> Okay. Would be amazing to be a part of Kubuntu, cuz i really like the Project and also KDE Ofc!.
[21:12] <RikMills> becoming an official kubuntu member requires sustained contributions, so we can't make that happen too quick. we value very much people who are working towards that though :)
[21:12] <genii>  /me gets reminded about some email about IRCC elections he should probabl look at
[21:12] <genii> I might also need more coffee
[21:13] <crydotsnake-M> I understand that! RikMills :).
[21:13] <RikMills> genii: ooooooooooooooh. coffess
[21:13] <RikMills> *coffee
[21:13]  * genii slides RikMills a nice strong one
[21:14] <RikMills> at least I didn't type 'covfefe'
[21:14] <genii> hah
[21:14] <crydotsnake-M> Coffee is very important for programmers!.
[21:16] <RikMills> might have to leave it tonight though, as need the sleep soon :(
[21:16] <RikMills> that is painful
[21:16] <crydotsnake-M> i need also sleep.
[21:18] <RikMills> Kubuntu is to blame for countless lost hrs of sleep on my part, as I want to get things finished :)
[21:18] <RikMills> labour of love I guess
[21:18] <crydotsnake-M> I think too! :D
[21:22]  * RikMills heads off to try to sleep
[21:22] <crydotsnake-M> Good night! :)
[21:22] <RikMills> sometimes this doesn't work, and IO end back on in here in an hrs time :P
[21:22] <crydotsnake-M> :D
[21:22] <RikMills> but I can try at least :P
[21:23] <crydotsnake-M> Thats right! :)


[00:14] <persia> I just received a message telling me that the edge server has a lower timeout, and I might want to use the regular server, except I was using the regular server, and as far as I can tell, I'm not a member of the Launchpad Beta Testers team (which the message suggests I am).  This is related to OOPS-1334A3184
[00:14] <wgrant> persia: i filed a bug about that a monthish ago.
[00:14] <persia> Is this a known bug of some sort, just my misunderstanding, or something to report?
[00:14] <wgrant> There's some inverted logic in the timeout template JS.
[00:14] <persia> wgrant, Ah.  Thanks.  I';; ignore it.
[00:15] <wgrant> Bug #403863
[00:16] <persia> Ah, yes.  (A && B) is (!A || !B) rather than !(A || B).
[00:17] <persia> Err, rather ! ( !A || !B )
[00:17] <wgrant> Yep.
[00:21] <radix> man we need some schematic tables in our programming languages
[00:24] <MTeck> Is there any chance of adding the Drupal bug tracker?
[00:24] <jamalta> out of curiosity, is it at all possible to host proprietary projects in launchpad?
[00:24] <jamalta> or will it be?
[00:25] <intellectronica> jamalta: yes, it's possible
[00:25] <wgrant> https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/208
[00:25] <intellectronica> jamalta: if you're interested, inquire with bac
[00:26] <intellectronica> is that the correct spelling?
[00:26] <jamalta> intellectronica: ah, i found this about it https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/208
[00:26] <jamalta> thank you
[00:31] <idnar> what's the status of the beta program?
[00:34] <wgrant> idnar: Which? edge.launchpad.net, the API, or something else?
[00:39] <idnar> the one referred to in that FAQ entry
[00:41] <wgrant> bac: ^^
[05:07] <jtv> matsubara-afk: I may have mentioned it, but I'm a House MD fan.  There's one on now.  But the _only_ time they show episodes I haven't seen yet is Monday night, during the UI calls.
[05:10] <mkanat> jtv: You could watch it on Hulu.
[05:10] <mkanat> Oh, they don't have new episodes yet, do they.
[05:11] <jtv> mkanat: I don't think hulu works here....  I'm lucky to get YouTube sometimes
[05:11] <mkanat> Ah.
[05:11] <jtv> Although it's not actually blocked by the government (until some local competitor posts something to insult the king I guess)
[05:12] <wgrant> Hulu's restricted to the US, isn't it?
[05:12] <wgrant> I know it's not usable from here...
[05:12] <jtv> wgrant: the site works; I think it's just a matter of performance.
[05:13] <wgrant> "Sorry, currently our video library can only be streamed from within the United States "
[05:13] <jtv> Ah, yes.  I just never got this far.  :)
[05:14] <jtv> Oh well, at least they realize there are countries outside the US.  Unlike some "international" sites that require your address to contain a State.
[05:14] <wgrant> Yes...
[05:14] <jtv> Or even more frequently: that don't accept international notation of telephone numbers
[05:15] <jtv> Amazing how many of those sites will accept whitespace as a State though
[05:16] <ovnicraft> hi folks i want to change logo for my project how i can do this?
[05:18] <wgrant> ovnicraft: https://launchpad.net/yourproject/+branding
[05:18] <wgrant> Or, if you are click-inclined, go to your project, click 'Change details', then the 'Branding' tab.
[05:28] <mwhudson> i think new zealand has postcodes almost entirely so you can put them in forms on the web
[05:47] <thumper> mwhudson: :)
[05:47] <thumper> mwhudson: actually if you're a business you used to get a discount if you used them, now you *have* to use them
[05:50] <jml> mwhudson, whereas the UK has postcodes simply as a quaint and quirky gimmick for tourists.
[05:50] <jml> they always strike me as being vaguely steampunk.
[05:50] <mwhudson> jml: in the uk, a postcode gets you down to the level of a handful of houses
[05:51] <mwhudson> here, it's about half a town
[05:51] <mwhudson> (and occasionally, half a town is more than a handful of houses, not always, i guess)
[05:52] <thumper> mtaylor: since it's slightly more relevant I'll talk here
[05:52] <thumper> mtaylor: I've been meaning to reply to your email on launchpad-users
[05:52] <thumper> mtaylor: I'm going to get a wiki page going about the upcoming changes to the code review process
[05:53] <thumper> mtaylor: both those for 3.0 (fingers crossed), and proposed
[05:53] <mtaylor> thumper: ooh, great. I spend about half of my day doing reviews/merges, so I'm all ears!
[05:53] <thumper> mtaylor: are you on the launchpad-dev mailing list?
[05:53] <thumper> I ended up covering a lot there
[05:53] <mtaylor> um...nope
[05:53] <mtaylor> just on launchpad-users
[05:53] <thumper> but I don't want to repeat myself
[05:53] <thumper> so
[05:53] <thumper> wiki is best I think
[05:53] <thumper> I'll reply to your post with a wiki link
[05:54] <mtaylor> sweet
[05:54] <thumper> where I'll dump stuff
[05:54] <thumper> feel free to annotate the wiki when its there
[05:54] <mtaylor> I'll be sure to include jay in the discussion too (the other drizzle merge guy)
[05:54] <thumper> s/wiki/wiki page/
[05:54] <thumper> mtaylor: so, how likely really is it that you'll get to kiwipycon?
[05:55] <mtaylor> (just opening calendar now)
[05:55] <mtaylor> DAMMIT
[05:55] <mtaylor> I'm booked that weekend (double booked, actually)
[05:55] <mtaylor> darn, that would have been fun
[05:55] <thumper> mtaylor: anything you can cancel or reschedule?
[05:56] <mtaylor> no. it's a show opening and then a 40th birthday celebration for a family member :(
[05:56] <thumper> ah
[05:56] <thumper> oh well
[05:56] <mtaylor> any chance you're coming to LCA?
[05:56] <thumper> you'll miss my cool keynote on Launchpad
[05:56] <thumper> mtaylor: definitly
[05:56] <mtaylor> sweet
[05:56] <mtaylor> cause I'll definitely be there...
[05:56] <thumper> mtaylor: may be giving a talk there, still waiting on confirmation
[05:57] <mtaylor> I keep missing the launchpad related talks places
[05:57] <mtaylor> yeah, same here
[05:57] <thumper> mtaylor: well, one of my proposed talks was using LP for code reviews
[05:57] <mtaylor> I submitted one on "why stewart smith is wrong about c++" ...
[05:57] <thumper> not sure how likely it is that one will be accepted though
[05:57] <thumper> who is stewart smith?
[05:57] <mtaylor> current president of linux australia
[05:58] <thumper> and what does he say about C++?
[05:58] <mtaylor> oh, he's a big-time C guy
[05:58] <mtaylor> so it's fun to poke at the displeasure
[05:58] <thumper> so he doesn't like C++?
[05:59] <mtaylor> he thinks the ways in which it isn't C are all evil and wrong
[05:59] <thumper> heh
[05:59] <thumper> I wouldn't like to go back to C after my time with C++
[05:59] <mtaylor> nope. me either
[05:59] <thumper> but saying that, for most work, I'd rather stay with python
[05:59] <mtaylor> well, yes. there is that
[05:59] <mtaylor> although I'm still carping about print() vs. print
[05:59] <thumper> although occasionally I get a hankering to write some C++
[06:00] <mtaylor> (in 3.0)
[06:00] <thumper> functions are good
[06:00] <mtaylor> the compiler errors/warnings are nice
[06:00] <mtaylor> in C++
[06:00] <mtaylor> that's the thing I miss the most in python dev these days
[06:00] <thumper> mtaylor: do much template programming?
[06:00] <thumper> mtaylor: because those errors suck
[06:00] <mtaylor> yeah... so _nice_ maybe isn't the right word
[06:00] <mtaylor> :)
[06:01] <mtaylor> and yeah - functions are good -but I've got 10 years of muscle memory typing print "foo %s" % bar
[06:01] <thumper> hmm
[06:02] <mtaylor> well... I'm sure I'll get over it
[06:02] <thumper> I'm about to have to retrain my fingers out of 11 years of UK keyboard muscle memory
[06:02] <thumper> as my new laptop has a US one
[06:02] <mtaylor> oh my
[06:02] <thumper> @ vs "
[06:02] <thumper> £ vs #
[06:02] <thumper> ¬ vs ~
[06:02] <wgrant> thumper: Huh, why did you have a UK keyboard
[06:02] <wgrant> Do they use them in NZ?
[06:02] <mtaylor> I've had to work on swedish and german before - it's ... interesting
[06:02] <thumper> wgrant: because I lived in the UK for 8 years
[06:02] <wgrant> thumper: Ah.
[06:03] <thumper> and been in NZ for almost 3 now
[06:03] <thumper> but haven't needed to buy any more keyboards
[06:03] <thumper> 7 of the 8 keyboards in the house are UK
[06:04] <thumper> mtaylor: do you know about the person product pages?
[06:04] <mtaylor> thumper: no...
[06:04] <thumper> mtaylor: so https://code.launchpad.net/~mtaylor/drizzle
[06:04] <mtaylor> what are those?
[06:04] <thumper> kinda hacky right now
[06:05] <thumper> not linked from anything yet
[06:05] <thumper> hmm, you aren't mtaylor on lp
[06:05] <mtaylor> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mordred/drizzle
[06:05] <thumper> you'll need a code in there I think
[06:05] <mtaylor> so, ~mordred/drizzle redirects me instantly to ~mordred/drizzle/pandora-build
[06:06] <mtaylor> I wonder if that's brower fail
[06:06] <thumper> I get a 404
[06:06] <thumper> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mordred/drizzle
[06:06] <mtaylor> yup.
[06:06] <mtaylor> that's awesome
[06:06] <thumper> no other apps yet support it, but we are pushing it along
[06:06] <mtaylor> I've been wanting that for a while
[06:06] <thumper> I'm just adding +activereviews for that
[06:07] <thumper> and some other goodness
[06:07] <mtaylor> sweet. it'll be nice for bugs and blueprints too
[06:07] <thumper> when we get them, yes
[06:07] <mtaylor> but yeah - cause that would actually be what I normally want in activereviews land
[06:08] <mtaylor> I _really_ need to retire some of those branches :)
[06:10] <thumper> mtaylor: the normal active reviews on a project should be close
[06:10] <thumper> mtaylor: what do you want?
[06:10] <mtaylor> it is
[06:11] <mtaylor> hrm.
[06:11]  * mtaylor is now looking back and forth at the two
[06:11] <mtaylor> I usually use project/+activereviews
[06:13] <mtaylor> interesting. I hadn't really looked at ~mordred/+activereviews closely before.
[06:13] <jml> it may have changed since you last looked :)
[06:14] <mtaylor> :)
[06:16] <mtaylor> so actually, I think drizzle/+activereviews is about what I need it to be
[06:20] <thumper> mtaylor: cool
[06:20] <mtaylor> I mean, other than all the things from the email :)
[06:20] <mtaylor> but that doesn't really have anything to do with that page
[06:25] <thumper> mtaylor: biggest change coming soon to a page near you is diffs that update on push
[06:25] <mtaylor> thumper: WOOT
[06:25] <mtaylor> thumper: now that _will_ be exciting
[06:25] <wgrant> and confusing :/
[06:26] <thumper> wgrant: hopefully not too confusing
[06:26] <thumper> I want new revisions also showing in the conversation
[06:26] <wgrant> Ahh.
[06:26] <thumper> like bug status changes
[06:26] <wgrant> Bonus points for linking to the old diffs there too.
[06:26] <thumper> wgrant: we'll link to the revision in codebrowse
[06:27] <mtaylor> that and a simpler way to say "hey, guys, this is ready to be looked at again, I've addressed your concerns" and we'll be golden I think
[06:27] <thumper> wgrant: we also want to add footers to the comments
[06:27] <thumper> wgrant: that'll say if the comment is on an old diff
[06:27] <thumper> wgrant: we'll try to get a nice way to view it
[06:27] <thumper> mtaylor: part of that may still be resubmit
[06:27] <thumper> mtaylor: but we're working on a nicer workflow
[06:28] <thumper> mtaylor: so the conversation from superceded proposals will show on the new one
[06:28] <thumper> mtaylor: footer with details
[06:28] <thumper> mtaylor: old reviews go to pending
[06:28] <mtaylor> thumper: that'll be great
[06:28] <thumper> something like that
[06:29] <thumper> mtaylor: I'm going to write all this on the wiki page
[06:29] <thumper> mtaylor: and we should be able to link to bugs, and show progress so you'll be able to see how close we are to review nirvana
[06:30] <mtaylor> mmm
[06:31] <mtaylor> sort of off topic, but is lp ever going to be an openid consumer? or will it just remain a provider?
[06:31] <thumper> there are some internal arguements
[06:32] <thumper> I think there'd still need to be a LP identity for the person
[06:32] <thumper> mtaylor: this is more a question for flacoste
[06:32] <thumper> mtaylor: I know it has been talked about
[06:32] <thumper> mtaylor: but I don't know the current blockers on it
[06:32] <mtaylor> well, I don't mind having a launchpad id
[06:32] <thumper> mtaylor: whether technical or people
[06:33] <mtaylor> but I'd love to be able to do the login/auth with my openid server
[06:34] <mtaylor> thumper: I hadn't even thought about the possibility of non-launchpad users using openid to interact with things without an account
[07:16] <shiki-> hi all
[07:17] <shiki-> I made a new PPA for LXDE.. thats ok. I uploaded lxpanel and then I saw it wont compile without menu-cache. Ok. Uploaded it, then clicked on retry build.. and it says "Waiting for superseded Source".. that means?
[07:18] <wgrant> shiki-: 'Build for superseded Source', you mean?
[07:18] <shiki-> yeah (sorry)
[07:19] <wgrant> Link to the PPA?
[07:19] <shiki-> https://launchpad.net/~shiki/+archive/lxde
[07:19] <wgrant> shiki-: Ah, I see what you've done.
[07:19] <wgrant> An upload creates new builds.
[07:19] <shiki-> a mess ? :)
[07:19] <wgrant> so you didn't need to retry the old one.
[07:20] <wgrant> But when you did retry the old one, it saw that it was superseded by the new one.
[07:20] <wgrant> so it decided it wasn't worth building.
[07:20] <wgrant> so don't worry about it.
[07:20] <shiki-> ah.. so..delete the lxpanel and reupload it?
[07:20] <wgrant> No.
[07:20] <wgrant> No need.
[07:20] <shiki-> then?
[07:20] <wgrant> It's all built fine.
[07:20] <shiki-> then how will I get lxpanel?
[07:20] <shiki-> but there is no lxpanel package..
[07:20] <wgrant> Look in your PPA -- it's there.
[07:21] <wgrant> (notice the green tick)
[07:21] <shiki-> yeah its at menu-cache
[07:21] <wgrant> Oh.
[07:21] <wgrant> Oops.
[07:21] <shiki-> :)
[07:21] <wgrant> You seem to have deleted lxpanel. Why?
[07:21] <shiki-> I didnt
[07:22] <wgrant> "Deleted on 2009-08-25 by Zsolt Peter Basak"
[07:22] <shiki-> huh?
[07:22] <shiki-> I only clicked on retry
[07:22] <shiki-> why would I delete them?
[07:22] <wgrant> No idea. But it certainly looks like you explicitly deleted it before retrying.
[07:22] <shiki-> hmm..strange
[07:22] <shiki-> well
[07:23] <shiki-> reboot and reupload it (I had some job here on the other OS)
[07:23] <shiki-> brb
[07:23] <wgrant> No.
[07:23] <shiki-> ty for the help
[07:23] <wgrant> No need to reupload.
[07:23] <shiki-> ?
[07:23] <shiki-> ARGL
[07:23] <wgrant> Click on 'Copy packages'.
[07:23] <wgrant> You can undelete it.
[07:23] <shiki-> ah
[07:23] <wgrant> Search for it (you might need to change the selector from 'Published' to 'Any status')
[07:23] <shiki-> ok
[07:23] <shiki-> pending
[07:23] <shiki-> it was in superseded
[07:24] <wgrant> Yep.
[07:24] <shiki-> well
[07:24] <wgrant> OK.
[07:24] <shiki-> g2g..bbl/brb
[07:24] <shiki-> thank you
[07:24] <wgrant> Now retry those three builds.
[07:24] <wgrant> And it will build.
[07:24] <wgrant> Damn.
[08:16] <micahg> is it better to make another ppa or to ask for a quota increase?
[08:17] <noodles775> micahg: it's always good to keep PPAs focused, so if it's for un-related packages, I'd definitely suggest another PPA, otherwise if they're related, a quota increase.
[08:18] <micahg> ok
[08:18] <micahg> I create a new one :)
[08:18] <micahg> now do I just move stuff over?
[08:18] <wgrant> 'Copy packages' on the old one.
[08:19] <wgrant> Then select the packages, and the new PPA.
[08:19] <micahg> do I need to copy source?
[08:19] <wgrant> You have to
[08:19] <wgrant> How would you just copy binaries?
[08:19] <micahg> there's an option in edge now :)
[08:20] <wgrant> you mean the rebuild vs. don't?
[08:20] <wgrant> That selects whether to copy the binaries *as well*.
[08:22] <micahg> oh, so if I select the second option, it copies source and binaries?
[08:22] <shiki-> back
[08:23] <wgrant> shiki-: Did you retry those builds?
[08:23] <wgrant> micahg: Yes.
[08:23] <wgrant> micahg: It always copies source.
[08:23] <shiki-> wgrant, its ok now I guess (I had to go to the bank)
[08:23] <shiki-> published..both. Ty
[08:23] <micahg> wgrant: should I try to stop the rebuilds or just let it happen now?
[08:23] <wgrant> shiki-: Not quite.
[08:23] <wgrant> shiki-: The sources are published.
[08:24] <wgrant> shiki-: But you need to retry the builds.
[08:24] <shiki-> ah
[08:24] <shiki-> well
[08:24] <shiki-> it wont let me oO
[08:26] <micahg> wgrant: also, can I now delete the packages from my original ppa?
[08:27] <wgrant> shiki-: Hm, you're right. You can't retry superseded builds. That policy was probably implemented before you could undelete packages.
[08:27] <wgrant> micahg: 'Delete packages' on the original PPA.
[08:27] <wgrant> shiki-: You might have to increase the version number and upload again.
[08:27]  * wgrant files a bug.
[08:27] <shiki-> okkay.. ty
[08:28]  * wgrant disappears.
[08:38] <shiki-> hmm...
[08:38] <shiki-> accepted the new *ppa2* package, but it still shows the *ppa1*.. should I delete the ppa1?
[08:39] <shiki-> okay..some problem with the packages.. I'll manage it
[08:39] <shiki-> "launchbar.c:35:24: error: menu-cache.h: No such file or directory"...strange that its uploaded to my ppa
[08:42] <noodles775> shiki-: the ppa1 package should be superseded automatically by the ppa2 package?
[08:43] <shiki-> itsok now
[08:43] <shiki-> I did an epic mistake :)
[09:39] <mac_v> hi... when a new branch is created how do i make the branch private?
[10:23] <thumper> mac_v: right now you have to pay for that option
[10:23] <thumper> mac_v: I'm considering changing things for security branches
[10:23] <thumper> mac_v: but on the whole, LP is public
[10:24] <mac_v> oh.. ok.
[10:24] <mac_v> thumper: how do i start to upload to a branch?
[10:24] <mac_v> which i'v created?
[10:24] <thumper> bzr push
[10:25] <mac_v> that didnt work , does the folder have to be labelled similar?
[10:25] <wgrant> mac_v: No. What was the error message?
[10:27] <mac_v> wgrant: bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/vis/Documents/LP_Branch/".
[10:27] <wgrant> mac_v: Well, you can't push a bzr branch that doesn't exist...
[10:27] <wgrant> 'bzr init'
[10:27] <wgrant> But maybe read the guide.
[10:27]  * wgrant finds the link.
[10:27] <mac_v> ah... thanx
[10:28] <wgrant> https://help.launchpad.net/Code/QuickStart
[10:28] <mac_v> wgrant: thanks :)
[10:43] <Alexia> I cant reset my password on launchpad
[10:43] <Alexia> it is giving me the following error
[10:43] <Alexia> Your account details have not been found. Please check your subscription email address and try again.
[10:44] <Alexia> and I tried to create a new account but was given this error
[10:44] <wgrant> Alexia: Try resetting it at login.launchpad.net instead.
[10:44] <Alexia> The email address is already registered in the Launchpad Login Service (used by the Ubuntu shop and other OpenID sites). Please use the same email and password to log into Launchpad.
[10:44] <Alexia> ok
[10:44] <wgrant> Some accounts need to have their passwords reset there for now.
[10:44] <wgrant> But once you've reset it, you can log in normally.
[10:47] <Alexia> Ok thanks
[10:47] <Alexia> worked perfect
[11:18] <shiki-> okay.. Im in a pinch....
[11:19] <shiki-> already using "ppa4" version, yet it says its accepted, yet it wont show it, yet I cant delete it, yet it wont upload it
[11:19] <shiki-> ARGL :/
[11:24] <wgrant> shiki-: What's saying it's accepted?
[11:24] <shiki-> it said accepted.. yet I didnt see it
[11:24] <wgrant> What said? An email?
[11:24] <shiki-> now, it wont accept even if I raise the version number
[11:24] <wgrant> 'wont accept'?
[11:27] <shiki-> uhm..rejected
[11:29] <wgrant> With what message?
[11:32] <shiki-> already been accepted
[11:33] <shiki-> but thats it...its not there (maybe my fault again.. but beats me where did I make a mistake)
[11:43] <shiki-> nvm.. i'll delete the ppa, get the karmic packages, modify/check/test them and upload/build them for 9.04-8.04
[11:47] <bigjools> shiki-: it was probably superseded
[11:47] <bigjools> change your filter
[11:48] <shiki-> tried that also
[11:51] <shiki-> okay.. my last question..how to delete my ppa? :))
[11:51] <bigjools> why do you want to do that?
[11:51] <shiki-> well.. I want to restart this lxde project from scracth
[11:51] <bigjools> sorry to sound repetitive, why?
[11:52] <shiki-> well.. I change my strategy from building the packages from 0 to building them from Karmic's repo.
[11:53] <bigjools> sorry I don't follow, "from 0" ?
[11:53] <shiki-> from scratch, from zero
[11:53] <bigjools> you want to copy packages from karmic into your ppa?
[11:53] <shiki-> yepp..
[11:54] <shiki-> well.. "copy"...
[11:54] <shiki-> get them down, check the "debian" part, modify it if I have to and then... I need these packages for 9.04, 8.10 and 8.04
[11:54] <bigjools> to clarify, upload a slightly changed version?
[11:54] <bigjools> ok
[11:55] <bigjools> LP doesn't support deletion of PPAs very well yet, but we can disable it if you file a question on the Launchpad project
[11:55] <shiki-> well.. one guy already sent me an email when will the repo work...so if I could delete EVERYTHING from there it'd be also OK
[11:56] <bigjools> you can delete but it remembers previously uploaded versions so you can never upload them again
[11:56] <shiki-> ah..ok..then I'll file a question :)
[11:56] <bigjools> why can't you bump the versions though?@
[11:57] <shiki-> I can...but...
[11:57] <shiki-> well..I'll try to do that
[11:57] <shiki-> sheesh
[11:57] <bigjools> that's surely easier
[12:21] <geser> shiki-: what's your PPA and which package you try to upload to it?
[12:21] <shiki-> geser, I'll solve it somehow
[12:21] <shiki-> :)
[14:48] <nfilus> Hi
[14:48] <nfilus> I need help in setting up lp translations
[14:49] <intellectronica> nfilus: danilos or henninge_ should be able to help
[14:50] <nfilus> intellectronica: can I ask them here in the channel or by direct IM?
[14:51] <danilos> nfilus: here is fine
[14:51] <nfilus> hi danilos
[14:51] <danilos> nfilus: hi, so, what's going on?
[14:51] <nfilus> danilos: the project is centreon (maybe you remember my last questions)
[14:52] <nfilus> can I setup a different repository as source for trans imports?
[14:52] <nfilus> I mean we have 1 subversion for translations and 1 main code subversion server
[14:53] <nfilus> or is there a way to move to bazaar an let it recreate the templates on regular basis as we do now with a cron on our local server
[15:00] <danilos> nfilus: you can't have multiple imports right now, as far as I know
[15:01] <nfilus> danilos: how can we move to bazaar for auto-merging of newest strings and newest translations?
[15:02] <danilos> nfilus: I have a call right now, it should be done in about 1h, can you please hold on for that
[15:02] <nfilus> I have to leave in 45min, I will come back tomorrow
[15:03] <nfilus> danilos: thank you for the help
[15:03] <danilos> nfilus: sure
[15:51] <allenap> danilos: Fancy taking a stab at https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+question/81108?
[15:54] <danilos> allenap: heh, I can't really decipher weird English either :)
[15:55] <danilos> allenap: anyway, it's probably a question about a string in particular program, and not anything related to LP
[15:55] <allenap> danilos: Ah, I *think* he's saying that the program has a mistake in the original string.
[15:55] <danilos> allenap: exactly, a typo (s/keyboard/clipboard/)
[15:55] <allenap> danilos: I'll ask him to file a bug against mint thingy.
[15:55] <danilos> allenap: yeah, that's right :)
[16:38] <fta2> bigjools, no offense intended for the dbgsym thing
[16:38] <bigjools> none taken
[16:39] <bigjools> there have been a very unfortunate set of circumstances that delayed this feature, not to mention it's really very non-trivial
[16:39] <mneptok> bigjools: you smell, and your mother dresses you funny.
[16:39] <mneptok> (no offense)
[16:40] <fta2> bigjools, my comment was just to mention that even if i'm an heavy consumer of dbg packages, i no longer need those dbgsyms as i had to workaround them
[16:40]  * bigjools farts in mneptok's face
[16:40]  * mneptok sniffs.
[16:40] <mneptok> mmmmm .... peanuts.
[16:41] <mneptok> fta2: at this point, i think you're pretty much assured of not offending bigjools no matter *what* you say about dbgsysms ;)
[16:41] <bigjools> fta2: no worries, it'll get done, but the guy who maintained the buildds left ...
[16:41] <fta2> bigjools, and i also didn't appreciate the "lets wait for 3.0" and target for an arbitrary 3.1.10
[16:42] <bigjools> fta2: it's not arbitrary at all
[16:43] <fta2> maybe, but in the bug, it seems arbitrary, at least for an outsider like me
[17:01] <AnAnt> Hello, something seems to be wrong with the buildds in karmic
[17:02] <AnAnt> I am building a package (wine1.2) for karmic, and it fails with this error:
[17:02] <AnAnt> The following packages have unmet dependencies: docbook-utils: Depends: jadetex but it is not going to be installed
[17:02] <AnAnt> E: Broken packages
[17:02] <AnAnt> yet it builds well on my machine ( I use pbuilder for building)
[17:03] <AnAnt> here's the build log: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30853810/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.wine1.2_1.1.27-0ubuntu2%2Bsabily1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:06] <bigjools> AnAnt: I am checking for you
[17:07] <AnAnt> thanks
[17:23] <bigjools> AnAnt: can you retry the build and see if it fails the same way?  it might be a transient issue
[17:23] <AnAnt> bigjools: I am
[17:27] <bigjools> AnAnt: for reference, I am using chdist to track this down
[17:28] <bigjools> it might be that the required package versions are not published yet
[17:33] <mzz> I think I'm just misreading this, but does "We will not accept uploads of packages that are unmodified from their original source in Ubuntu or Debian" mean I can't use a ppa for backports that don't need any source changes?
[17:34] <bigjools> mzz: backports are fine, you could use the webservice API to copy the package to your PPA and rebuild it for a different series
[17:36] <mzz> thanks, just making sure I wasn't accidentally violating the terms of use :)
[17:40] <AnAnt> bigjools: I checked using rmadison
[17:53] <exarkun> I keep getting 502 Bad Gateway when trying to check out a bzr branch.
[17:55] <exarkun> Lately Launchpad hasn't been reliable enough that I actually want to keep hosting my code on it.  Every time I sit down to do some development, I have to stop because I can't actually get my source to where it needs to be.
[17:57] <exarkun> A week ago when this came up I filed #417008.  No one has commented on it.
[18:06] <AnAnt> bigjools: build failed again: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30907706/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.wine1.2_1.1.27-0ubuntu2%2Bsabily2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:07] <AnAnt> bigjools: I've been trying this for 3 days btw
[18:08] <bigjools> AnAnt: I drilled down to two packages that it won't install, libkpathsea4 (>= 2007) and texlive-base (>= 2008)
[18:08] <AnAnt> oh
[18:08] <AnAnt> that seems a problem in my own PPA
[18:08] <AnAnt> I was trying to build a pre-release of texlive2009
[18:09] <bigjools> 2009~svn14580-1~1 is in karmic
[18:09] <AnAnt> ok, sorry for bothering you
[18:10] <bigjools> no prob, glad to help
[18:10] <AnAnt> bigjools: yeah, but it might have some dependencies that aren't in karmic
[18:10] <AnAnt> bigjools: also, I remember that there was a failed build of a TL2009 package
[18:10] <AnAnt> thanks
[20:50] <kfogel> Anyone else able to reach http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kfogel/launchpad/ml-archiver-ui/revision/8688 ?
[20:50] <kfogel> I get timeout every time.
[20:50] <kfogel> well, "Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server. "
[20:52] <micahg> kfogel: nope
[20:52] <kfogel> micahg: I can't help but notice you're online through onshore.com.  I used to work there.
[20:53] <kfogel> funny!
[20:53] <micahg> indeed
[20:53] <kfogel> anyway, your "nope" means you get the same error?
[20:53] <micahg> indeed
[20:53] <kfogel> thanks
[21:19] <bac> kfogel: i can access that link now
[21:19] <kfogel> bac: yah, mbarnett and I fixed it by hitting reload apparently
[21:19] <kfogel> sigh :-)
[21:20]  * mbarnett has a powerful reload key.


[09:50] <ULrich> I have a problem with my desktop, I cannot put it fully in full screen, I am using a virtualBox virtual machine
[09:50] <ULrich> please help me
[09:54] <ULrich> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/5127561b9e40d1506509c418b2741ccc/Capture%20d%E2%80%99%C3%A9cran%20du%202021-11-08%2010-53-29.png


[09:29] <mbosner> Hello - has https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ perhaps moved or is there currently maintenance work?
[09:51] <tomreyn> mbosner: for all that's been said here and elsewhere so far, it appears to be a temporary outage. but then, it's just test builds anyways, not a service that is meant to be relied on.
[09:51] <tomreyn> (and certanily not packages meant to be used in production)
[09:54] <mbosner> tomreyn: thank you!
[09:58] <tomreyn> mbosner: you're welcome (and please note that i'm not part of the kernel team, just a volunteer)


[06:18] <Tm_T> why "sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta" leads /etc/apt/sources.list.d/kubuntu-ppa-beta-oneiric.list having string "ain" at the bottom?
[06:19] <micahg> that's a bug, I'm not sure if it's been fixed in precise yet
[06:20] <Tm_T> so it's known, good
[06:20] <micahg> well, I know about it, not sure if I reported it or not
[06:21] <Tm_T> ach
[06:21] <Tm_T> have time seeing if it's reported?
[06:23] <micahg> hmmm, I don't see it
[10:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: It just needs the newer kdevplatform
[10:43] <shadeslayer> which had not been built by the time kdevelop-php and kdevelop-php-docs were being built, so now someone just needs to hit the retry button
[10:46] <micahg> shadeslayer: seems like the build-depends should have been updated in that case
[10:49] <Riddell> retried
[10:56] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kdevelop-php failed again?  is it the same issue?
[11:05] <jussi> So, Ive got a small bug on my 12.04 - can someone confirm a maximised chromium browser doesnt have close/maximise/minimise buttons??
[11:11] <Riddell> jussi: -> #ubuntu+1 I guess
[11:15] <jussi> Riddell: I suppose. (asked there now. thought this channel was relevant also
[11:28] <Riddell> jussi: it's relevent if you frame it as a kwin question, of course we let you off because we like you :)
[11:28] <jussi> awww
[11:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes, I believe kdevplatform hasn't been published yet
[11:56] <shadeslayer> micahg: yes, I update it for everything else ...
[11:56] <shadeslayer> *updated
[11:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: or published to universe?
[11:58] <shadeslayer> Uhh ... dunno, maybe launchpad messed up then? I see : Note: Some binary packages for this source are not yet published in the repository.
[11:58] <shadeslayer> and all packages are pending publication
[11:59] <shadeslayer> the publisher is overworked perhaps
[12:00] <Riddell> maybe
[12:20] <jussi> Riddell: so it seems its not happening on unity, I hope one of the kde peoples here can check if its just me (and my upgrade) or if its kwin related.
[12:23] <Riddell> jussi: I have window control with max chromium and kwin
[12:24] <Riddell> agateau: any idea why I'm getting "  Unknown libjpeg version:
[12:24] <Riddell> "
[12:24] <Riddell> when compiling gwenview from 4.8?
[12:56] <Riddell> oh release meeting, I need to leave early again (won't happen in future weeks), who wants to represent?
[13:01] <fabo> Riddell: can do if you have the report :)
[13:01] <fabo> still not sent ;)
[13:03] <Riddell> fabo: looking for the template, where is it?
[13:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ScottK kdevplatform is in new because of the library so bump
[13:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so it is, I was missing it
[13:09] <shadeslayer> :)
[13:11] <ScottK> Riddell: I can do the release meeting today.
[14:01] <Riddell> ScottK, fabo: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000741.html and anything else you wish to say
[14:03] <fabo> ok
[14:09] <ScottK> OK
[14:15] <ScottK> Riddell: I don't understand the Qt/arm comment.  What's the issue that needs a new kernel? fabo: Do you know about that one?
[14:17] <Riddell> ScottK: qt wasn't build on armhf last I looked
[14:17] <Riddell> ran out of memory, infinity says new kernel coming will sort
[14:18] <ScottK> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/4:4.8.0-1ubuntu1/+build/3096677
[14:18] <ScottK> Looks pretty built to me.
[14:19] <Riddell> oh webkit
[14:19] <ScottK> Ah.
[14:19] <Riddell> yeah, not pretty https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtwebkit-source/2.2.1-1ubuntu1
[14:25] <ScottK> Yep.  Got it now.
[14:46] <yofel> the hell
[14:47]  * yofel left his notebook running over night and just had to close 39 wifi password prompts @_@
[14:47] <Riddell> weird
[14:50] <Riddell> I'm cracking on with 4.8 so anyone wanting to help should ask me again so we don't overlap
[15:15] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm fixing the lack of space on the arm box now.
[15:16] <Riddell> oh thanks
[15:16] <Riddell> I don't think I'll get to it until after SC 4.8 is done
[15:16] <Riddell> thanks for replying to colin too
[15:28] <ScottK> That's what reminded me it needed doing ...
[15:34] <ScottK> Riddell: Should be much better now that I've cleaned things up a bit.  If you can move your build to a directory in /var/cache it's got ~an order of magnitude more free space.  If there's enough now where you are, don't worry about moving.
[15:36] <Riddell> I'm giving debuild -nc  a try
[15:36] <Riddell> hmm, or am I
[15:36] <Riddell> might have killed the compile, oh well time to start again
[16:10] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you around for the release meeting after all?
[16:10]  * fabo was wondering the same
[16:11] <Riddell> ScottK: depends when we get called I have to leave in about 40 mins
[16:11] <ScottK> OK.  You might just PM pitti asking to go early in the meeting.
[16:11]  * ScottK has done that before.
[16:14] <Riddell> or apachelogger could write a bot to do it
[16:14] <Riddell> it's hardly taxing
[16:14] <Riddell> just takes concentration
[16:26] <Quintasan_> Riddell: Can you renew my kubuntu-ppa membership?
[16:28] <Riddell> Quintasan: hmm, do we trust you?
[16:28] <Riddell> changed to expires never
[16:29] <Quintasan> Riddell: Of course you do :)
[16:29] <Quintasan> Thanks
[16:35] <Riddell> gosh we all missed the slot
[16:35] <Riddell> a bot would be far more reliable
[16:36] <fabo> oups I skipped expecting you to reply...
[16:37] <Riddell> I blame the meeting format, really not convinced it's any good
[16:47] <ScottK> Since I jumped on ogra's slot, I think we got all the discussion we needed done anyway.
[16:49] <shadeslayer> Can anyone reproduce this : http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2012/q1/200 ?
[16:50] <ScottK> Which key is "Multiply"?
[16:50] <shadeslayer> uh, Shift + 8 here
[16:51] <debfx> shadeslayer: X server 1.11 is not yet in precise, see latest ubuntu-devel posts
[16:53] <shadeslayer> grrrr ... I'm subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce under the label ubuntu devel
[16:55] <shadeslayer> ScottK: did you get around to letting kdevplatform out of new?
[16:56] <ScottK> I did not.
[16:56] <shadeslayer> :(
[17:21] <ScottK> debfx: We should probably discuss with fabo.  "<debfx> we could just pass -c0 to dpkg-gensymbols again like we do in qt4-x11 since it's unlikely that upstream will break abi and 95% of the symbols aren't really part of the public abi anyway"
[17:21] <ScottK> (from #ubuntu-devel)
[17:23] <fabo> what's the issue? qtwebkit again
[17:23] <ScottK> Yes.
[17:23] <fabo> imo -c0 is a work around
[17:23] <ScottK> Specifically https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtwebkit-source/2.2.1-1ubuntu1/+build/3096700/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-powerpc.qtwebkit-source_2.2.1-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:24] <ScottK> armhf build is in progress, so we should have a build log from it later today.
[17:25] <fabo> we should update the symbols file, if we don't do that, there's no point to have the symbols file in the 1st place
[17:26] <fabo> I know it's painfull
[17:41] <Peace-> hi guys
[17:41] <shadeslayer> hi Peace-
[17:42] <Peace-> i wonder if there is a good way to overwrite vlcrc  without /etc/skel sstuff
[17:42] <Peace-> because i did vlc service  menu ... but i need of dbus enabled by default for vlc
[17:43] <Peace-> hi shadeslayer
[17:43] <shadeslayer> Peace-: thats a question for #ubuntu or #kubuntu
[17:44] <Peace-> well i am doing a debina stuff
[17:44] <Peace-> :D
[17:44] <Peace-> *debian package
[17:44] <Peace-> at least i am trying to
[17:46] <shadeslayer> Peace-: uh, wait, then I mis understood the question, you're trying to package vlc?
[17:46] <yofel> maybe you can put something in /etc/vlc/, I'm not sure what that folder is used for and how
[17:47] <shadeslayer> yofel: hah, thiago made a follow up post to the earlier post, so now you have 2 posts to read :D
[17:47] <Peace-> shadeslayer: no ... i did a service menu for vlc...
[17:47] <yofel> great, I didn't even finish the first one yet ^^
[17:48] <Peace-> shadeslayer: so... now i would like create a debian package and i did but... the vlcrc is a pain
[17:48] <shadeslayer> Peace-: sorry, I have no idea what you're trying to do :(
[17:48] <Peace-> :D
[17:48] <yofel> he needs to set a vlc setting globally
[17:48] <yofel> and I'm clueless how to do that
[17:48] <yofel> see vlc docs
[17:49] <shadeslayer> don't some packages do that?
[17:49] <Peace-> shadeslayer: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/vlc+append?content=118298
[17:49] <shadeslayer> I wouldn't have the slightest idea where to point, but I'm sure I've seen some packages do that
[17:51]  * Peace- actually is doing a lots more...  0.0  http://plasma-panels-script.googlecode.com/svn/Testingkubuntu/
[17:51]  * yofel goes back to reading 8080 processor instruction set
[17:51] <yofel> ancient technology is fun
[17:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: wait till you read about the memory organization in 8086
[18:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any 4.8 packages that I can work on?
[18:27] <shadeslayer> We need to write a script to automate downloading everything, bumping kde-sc-dev-lates, debuild and upload, then fix any build errors
[18:30] <jussi> shadeslayer: you just gave yourself a task.... ;)
[18:31] <shadeslayer> jussi: will probably write it in the upcoming weeks, can't do it before start of feb
[18:31] <shadeslayer> Shouldn't be too hard
[18:31] <jussi> :D
[18:31] <yofel> shadeslayer: you might want to recycle kgetsource then, that does half of that
[18:32] <yofel> it's ruby though
[18:32] <shadeslayer> gah, not ruby, I'll do it in pythorn
[18:32] <shadeslayer> or bash ...
[18:33] <Peace-> shadeslayer: :) if you have time do a package for my plasma panels then :P
[18:34] <shadeslayer> :{
[18:34] <shadeslayer> s/}/P/
[18:34] <kubotu> shadeslayer: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[18:35] <shadeslayer> silly kubotu
[18:35] <yofel> you probably need to escape that ^^
[18:35] <shadeslayer> yeah
[18:39] <Peace-> :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYzEty1TYAE
[18:43] <shadeslayer> yofel: oh btw, I don't need kgetsource, rsync ftw
[18:43] <shadeslayer> I just rsync the entire src folder :P
[18:43]  * yofel has an alias for that too
[18:44] <shadeslayer> so we can just run the script on a EC2 machine / Machine that has a ton of bandwidth
[18:44] <yofel> but that's rather heavy on your bandwidth
[18:44] <shadeslayer> ^^
[18:45] <shadeslayer> yofel: the aim is to get releases like 4.8.1 -> 4.8.4 out faster
[18:45] <shadeslayer> since they don't require alot of changes
[18:45] <yofel> I understand that, but you still need to build every package as a test
[18:45] <shadeslayer> Not really, I'm more of the opinion of just upload the package and check the logs
[18:46] <yofel> so auto-preparing a package makes sense, kgetsource does that
[18:46] <yofel> batch preparing doesn't IMO
[18:46] <yofel> you can't check for added files from the PPA logs
[18:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: but you can just look at the build log and fix stuff with smaller uploads later on
[18:46] <shadeslayer> ah
[18:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: but then what's the chance they add files in a bug fix release?
[18:47] <yofel> tiny, but it happens
[18:47] <shadeslayer> has that ever happened? ( I'm not implying it will not happen, just curious if this has ever happened "
[18:47] <yofel> I think
[18:48] <shadeslayer> hmm ... in that case, yeah, the script will have to test build
[18:49] <ScottK> There was one file rename in 4.7.4.
[18:49] <ScottK> So it's not unheard of.
[18:49] <ScottK> (caused a build failure)
[18:51] <shadeslayer> Heh, I just had another idea, parallelizing builds after kdebase/kdelibs and essential stuff gets build
[18:51] <shadeslayer> *built
[18:51] <shadeslayer> really difficult to pull off though
[18:51] <yofel> doable, but then how are you going to manage collaboration?
[18:51] <yofel> sure it's not a problem if Riddell does everything himself, but...
[18:52] <ScottK> For point releases it's been mostly one person anyway.
[18:52]  * Peace- mm :) my service menu for apt dpkg works fine
[18:52] <yofel> hm, true
[18:52] <ScottK> IIRC yofel did 4.7.3 and I did 4.7.4.
[18:52] <yofel> yeah
[18:53] <ScottK> And if it was easy to just run a script and heave it at a PPA, then it'd be ~easy to deal with.
[18:53] <ScottK> (but I'm not putting my private key in some EC2 instance)
[18:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: well, I could make it build and upload essential stuff first and then factor in the average time to build essential stuff from previous releases, make the script sleep for that time ( till now the packages are built in the PPA ) and then dispatch multiple builds
[18:53] <yofel> you could use lplib to query the actual publishing state
[18:53] <shadeslayer> the average time would need to be computed by hand though, don't think Launchpad can give me that data
[18:53] <yofel> not sure if that shows the binaries though
[18:54] <shadeslayer> hmmm ...
[18:54] <yofel> maybe query by existing deb in architecture
[18:54] <shadeslayer> possibly, you have more experience in that area ;)
[18:56] <ScottK> You can query build status I believe.  It might be easier to toss it all up there and then have a retry script.
[18:57] <yofel> or have the preparation script not only bump kde-sc-dev-latest but also the actual dependencies
[18:57] <shadeslayer> ScottK: that's what I suggested earlier, but then you guys mentioned that files get renamed and stuff
[18:57] <yofel> then LP could use dep-wait
[18:57] <shadeslayer> hmmm
[18:58] <shadeslayer> then we probably need some sort of dictionary to match build deps in the control file
[18:58] <shadeslayer> so if we find that word in build depends, bump it
[18:58] <yofel> well, you can take the list from meta-kde
[19:00] <shadeslayer> sounds like a neat project :P
[19:01] <yofel> actually, you could just apply the whole list with sed. It'll just update what actually exists
[19:01] <yofel> yeah
[19:01] <yofel> it would unitfy our workflow too
[19:01] <yofel> *unify
[19:01] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:04] <shadeslayer> so, Download tars -> update build deps -> build -> check status of essential deps -> upload
[19:05]  * shadeslayer will start working on this after exams
[19:26] <shadeslayer> huh http://paste.kde.org/190082/
[19:38] <shadeslayer> yay, no more silly packagekit timeout
[22:04] <Quintasan> yofel: is packaging wiki up to date?
[22:05] <yofel> no idea, best check the PPA for what's up
[22:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: work on anything not in ninjas already
[22:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I want to automate it with ec2
[22:25] <Riddell> but need to learn the APIs
[22:25] <debfx> the code of the scripts that generate http://felix.fobos.de/kubuntu/ are now on https://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/+junk/kubuntu-web in case someone is interested in them


[10:36] <bzb> how do I configure my system to start certain programs after login?
[11:46] <leszek> hi
[11:46] <parlabane> hey
[13:08] <magamo> Hello folks.
[13:10] <magamo> I'm having an odd issue.  I installed the nvidia drivers using synaptic, and went through one of the proceedures to restore the bootup splash screen, which subsequently also restores my ability to use VTs.
[13:11] <magamo> However, after doing so, running lxlock to lock my X session now turns half the screen black, and does not lock the screen.  Nothing is harmed, simply switching work spaces (which will redraw a separate background) fixes the look of the screen.... But nothing actually locks.
[13:12] <magamo> I'm running lubuntu 13.10, obviously.  The main OS install is fresh, but it's an old /home partition.
[13:23] <magamo> Hmmm... After a reboot lxlock worked... However, not as I was expecting.  It now just turns on a second lightdm greeter on VT8, and switches to that, but leaves VT7 with my current session running unlocked.
[16:29] <nLpPyXR> Hello, just thought I'd drop by to thank everyone involved with Lubuntu, as I understand it's a community project
[16:29] <nLpPyXR> my six-year old machine has never, and I mean NEVER, been faster, nor friendlier
[16:31] <nLpPyXR> also, I love the package choices made, I'm a recent convert from M$-Win and stuff like mtPaint, Gnumeric or AbiWord blew my mind when I first tried them
[16:33] <nLpPyXR> love-letters aside, I would like to suggest that Xscreensaver is installed by default rather than, or at least alongside, the XFC4 power manager, as the latter doesn't really behave the way it should
[16:33] <nLpPyXR> XFCE4*
[16:35] <nLpPyXR> from my understanding 13.04 and prior version had Xscreensaver by default, but not Firefox, and having FFox as the default browser is just a major plus
[16:37] <holstein> nLpPyXR: you should be able to customize the installation by using the package manager of your choice
[16:38] <holstein> !software
[16:40] <nLpPyXR> oh yeah my next install will most likely be a minimal one that I'll build upon with just the packages I like, but still, for a recent convert like I was, it'd be a plus to Xscreensaver by default
[16:41] <holstein> nLpPyXR: sure.. but maybe not for everyone.. thats why you might want to consider just customizing as you need.
[16:41] <greeter> lubuntu was a savior for me that way, for sure
[16:41] <greeter> on an ancient computer, it takes something pretty light weight to actually run at all, let alone run properly
[16:41] <holstein> personally, i dont use a screensaver, and consider *any* of them to be a waste.. but, that doesnt mean i think any distro needs to ship with or without one specifically.. i just remove or choose not to use it
[16:42] <nLpPyXR> holstein: true, just thought I'd give my 2 cents. Mostly I just wanted to thank you all for a wonderful OS =]
[16:42] <greeter> i'd like to join in on the thanking for a wonderful OS :-)
[16:43] <holstein> yup.. thanks lubuntu team!
[16:44] <nLpPyXR> at least I'd expect the Lubuntu team to be here >_>
[16:44] <nLpPyXR> well, if they are, thanks guys! <3
[16:44] <greeter> i'm sure someone reads this... of course they might be on the ubuntu servers too, i saw that option in the server list for xchat
[16:44] <holstein> nLpPyXR: this is the support channel.. you can try the #lubuntu-offtopic channel, which is loosely the *-dev channel
[16:45] <nLpPyXR> oh
[16:45] <nLpPyXR> alrighty
[16:45] <holstein> if you want to share how awesome it is, just share with someone.. tell a friend, or burn a live CD
[16:45] <nLpPyXR> I have actually
[16:53] <magamo> I recently tossed Lubuntu 13.10 on a friend's old EeePC 700A.
[16:53] <holstein> i have a 900
[16:54] <magamo> Smooth as butter compared to the Xandros install on there.  Anyone else encountered the issue I have with lxlock?
[16:54] <holstein> magamo: i use a manual locker
[16:55] <holstein> magamo: could be as simple as some settings with the screensaver or powermanagement
[16:55] <magamo> I'm switching to slock for now... But that may be less-than-ideal once my fiancee moves in and wants to use the computer while I'm at work -- I guess I'll just have to get in the habit of logging out completely.
[16:57] <magamo> Looks like this is actually anything now that tries to start a new X session causing this problem.  And I forget if I was using nvidia 319 or nvidia 310 under 13.04
[16:57] <magamo> But the fact that the locker doesn't actually lock anything for me as designed is... annoying.
[16:58] <holstein> magamo: maybe its related to your session config, or driver.. i havent had any issue with default locking
[16:58] <holstein> magamo: what exactly is going on?
[16:58]  * ianorlin thinks there is a bug related to this
[16:58] <ianorlin> if it is when you lock screen and then press control alt f7 to get in
[16:58] <holstein> ianorlin: i could have just not encountered it..
[16:59] <magamo> running lxlock (Default locker in 13.10) basically acts as if I selected Switch User.  It starts a new session on VT8, and brungs up a greeter.
[16:59] <magamo> ianorlin: Yes, that's the behavior I'm seeing.
[16:59] <greeter> gee i never thought i'd get a false highlight on this nick
[17:00] <magamo> I'm also seeing what I suspect is an nvidia bug where after I switch VTs, anything that starts a new X session just blanks half my screen and does nothing.
[17:01] <ianorlin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxsession/+bug/1205384
[17:02] <SonikkuAmerica> That's essentially a security vul
[17:02] <ianorlin> it is marked one
[20:19] <melodie> hi Noskcaj
[20:20] <melodie> I have read about your offer to lead the organisation of the qa-lubuntu team, will it finally be effective?
[20:23] <Noskcaj> hey melodie. I'll probably try and start next weekend (i'm away this week), but i don't really know what i'm meant to be doing
[20:23] <melodie> Noskcaj you will be replacing phillw, right?
[20:24] <melodie> what about asking him some insights, on his ##phillw chan?
[20:24] <Noskcaj> phill left a month or two ago, but yes. I've been on his channel for some time, so i'll ask for what to do
[20:25] <melodie> I didn't think he left such a long time ago
[20:25] <melodie> I would suppose Amj could also help you, in addition to phillw
[20:25] <melodie> perhaps
[21:01] <gumble> hey, wlan worked for me until a few days ago. now when I click on the applet, I only see ethernet connections and not my wireless connects anymore... when I click on edit connections, I see my old connections listed under "wireless connections" but only can edit them there, not connect
[21:01] <ianorlin> do you know what kind of card?
[21:01] <ianorlin> did you uncheck enable wifi on network manager by accident?
[21:04] <Unit193> Or suspend?
[21:04] <gumble> no I didn't. how do I find out which card? lspci | grep wireless doesn't give me anything
[21:05] <gumble> its the laptop of my gf. I installed lubuntu some time ago, could be that I had to install custom wireless drivers back then and she overwrote it somehow
[21:05] <gumble> what is suspending wireless?
[21:06] <gumble> I tried the hardwareswitch for wirelss -> doesn't change anything. when rightclicking on the applet, I only can activate/deactive 'network'. the point for wireless is missing
[21:06] <ianorlin> can you look throguh the hole lspci?
[21:07] <gumble> iwconfig says 'no wireless extensions'
[21:07] <gumble> ok I'll do. wait a sec
[21:07] <gumble> found it
[21:08] <gumble> Ethernet controller: Marvel Tec Group Ltd. 88E8040, Network controller: Broadcom Corp. BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY
[21:11] <Unit193> !bcm
[21:11] <ianorlin> http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
[21:12] <Unit193> Not too hard to deal with, really.  You have a PHY in case you missed it, but guessing you saw.
[21:13] <gumble> thanks guys!
[21:22] <LXLE> the built in search for pcmanfm seems to work fine if searching within your home folder, however trying to search the entire system doesn't seem to work, is there something i'm missing?
[21:22] <deleted_> Are you sure it's just not taking a very long time? I thought it had frozen the first time I tried searching /*
[21:23] <LXLE> no, i've left it set for 1/2 hour no returns
[21:23] <LXLE> catfish on the other hand picks up system wide searches almost immediately
[21:24] <deleted_> That's strange, I don't have the same issue. What version are you running?
[21:25] <LXLE> 1.2
[21:26] <deleted_> That's funny, I'm on 1.1
[21:26] <bzb> I need to start a program whenever I login to a particular account. What is the best practice for this? should I use a cron job? or a startup script?.  With cron, I can create a user specific cron job iwth "@reboot /usr/bin/someprogram". is this the standard way?
[21:27] <deleted_> bzb, check out this link
[21:27] <deleted_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/159008/how-to-add-startup-applications-in-lubuntu
[21:27] <deleted_> That helped me with startup scripts when I did not wnat to use .Desktop files
[21:28] <deleted_> LXLE, I'm trying to replicate your problem now and I actually seem to be having the same issue!
[21:28] <deleted_> Did you use tools>find files?
[21:31] <LXLE> yes
[21:33] <deleted_> Is this issue only when you search from root?
[21:33] <deleted_> sorry, the root directory>?
[21:34] <deleted_> I was just able to use the search feature (and it was quite fast) within a subdirectory, tat's why I ask
[22:10] <LXLE> yes, you can search the root directory
[23:14] <bzb> I need to start a program whenever I login to a particular account. What is the best practice for this? should I use a cron job? or a startup script?.  With cron, I can create a user specific cron job iwth "@reboot /usr/bin/someprogram". is this the standard way?
[23:15] <Unit193> Normally one uses ./.config/autostart/someprogram.desktop
[23:29] <bzb> Unit193: thanks for the info
[23:29] <Unit193> Sure.


[13:52] <mehdi2> hey, our apps have problems connecting to DB!
[13:54] <mehdi2> ubuntuusers.de seemed to have same issue, it's up now but ubuntu.ir still can't connect to DB