[00:06] <tumbleweed> micahg: it was regular FTBFS from nigelb and iamfuzz's list of linker-failure bugs worthy of jamming (nigelb blogged about the jam)
[00:06] <tumbleweed> (and I was playing with svammel)
[00:06] <micahg> what is svammel?
[00:07] <tumbleweed> micahg: automated bug filing script (doko used it to file most of the linker related ftbfs bugs in launchpad)
[00:07] <micahg> ah, cool
[01:24] <alegomaster> I am sort of confused
[05:24] <samd> hi, how could i make a deb package to pop a "do you want to reboot?" dialog after installing the deb
[06:30] <Rhonda> ScottK: Yes, that's one of those three.
[10:21] <arand> When's the last Automatic sync from Debian happining, still time for a package just accepted in Debain to sync over without specific request?
[10:21] <micahg> arand: should be tomorrow according to the release schedule
[10:25] <arand> micahg: Yeah, I guessed there would be one last sync on the 30th, just making sure :)
[13:32] <ScottK> Rhonda: Application endorsed.
[13:33] <Rhonda> Thanks!
[15:17] <tumbleweed> I wibblymat started ftbfs jamming :)
[15:18] <tumbleweed> wibblymat: sagan uses 3.0 (quilt), I think you should make that change with a quilt patch
[15:19] <Rhonda> tumbleweed: I thought dpkg-source does create a quilt patch automatically when it finds modified upstream sources
[15:19] <Rhonda> From my understanding that's one of the core features of v3?
[15:20] <tumbleweed> Rhonda: it does, but unless one tidies those up, they are ugly (even lintian complains about them these days)
[15:22] <Rhonda> Your wording sounded differently, thanks for the explenaition.
[15:22] <tumbleweed> thanks for making me explain then :)
[15:22] <tumbleweed> anyway, as this is wibblymat's first upload (that I can see), I'll take care of it
[15:23] <nigelb> I forgot how much I liked looking at pbuilder terminal output scroll by ;)
[15:24] <wibblymat> tumbleweed: I'm pretty new to packaging and I'm nto really sure what quilt is... is there a primer somewhere?
[15:24] <Rhonda> Is it in green on black in strange hyroglypehes, nigelb ?
[15:24] <tumbleweed> wibblymat: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/PatchSystems or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Ninjas/QuiltMagic
[15:24] <nigelb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
[15:25] <nigelb> Rhonda: No :)
[15:25] <wibblymat> Yep, saw the notice about the jam the other day, saw the bugs go in last night, just dived in. Didn't see any activity about it in here though so was thinking it was just me :)
[15:25] <nigelb> I'm just about to start :)
[15:26] <nigelb> well, actually I'm building one of the packages I was working on
[15:26] <nigelb> Hopefully, I'll get help to finish this one today
[15:26] <tumbleweed> wibblymat: it *was* just you, but we had to start somewhere :P
[15:27] <Rhonda> nigelb: Do you understand the reference, or are you too young for that?
[15:27] <nigelb> Rhonda: Matrix wasn't that long ago :)
[15:27] <Rhonda> It feels like :)
[15:27] <nigelb> Rhonda: *gasp*, 13 years.
[15:28] <Rhonda> There were all harry potter movies since.
[15:28] <Rhonda> See.
[15:28] <tumbleweed> eek, I'm feeling old now
[15:29] <Rhonda> There is this youngster from over here who back then worked on nmap which shortly was seen in the movie
[15:29] <Rhonda> … and he is far from a youngster these days.
[15:29] <nigelb> nmap is the port scanner right?
[15:29] <Rhonda> yes
[15:29] <highvoltage> there are kids who do homework assignments on 9/11/2001... and it happened before they were born!
[15:30] <nigelb> Ok, out with nostalgia!
[15:35] <LetoThe2nd> hello! I just noticed that the gsoap package is heavily outdated. any chances of bumping the version a bit?
[15:35] <tumbleweed> wibblymat: I think LDFLAGS should also have gone before LDADD and LIBS
[15:37] <Rhonda> LetoThe2nd: Given that the package has been uploaded twice so far by someone else than the maintainer in Debian - I guess it might be looking for someone new to look after it.
[15:38]  * Rhonda . o O ( And it is the same since the lenny release in Debian, yuck )
[15:38] <LetoThe2nd> Rhonda: yea, thats what i also suspected reading between the lines :-/
[15:38]  * Rhonda . o O ( uh oh, I know the maintainer personally ..... )
[15:38] <LetoThe2nd> Rhonda: poke him/her with a sharp stick! :-)
[15:38] <Rhonda> Haven't heard or seen him since a long time though. He's just also from Austria like me.
[15:39] <LetoThe2nd> hm, if the stick is long enough i can poke myself ... (bavaria)
[15:39] <Rhonda> There is this strange thing in Austria with DDs, they seem to fade away without a trace at some point.
[15:39] <Rhonda> off
[15:40] <wibblymat> tumbleweed: I'm not really a C developer so I just did what worked. Is putting the LDFLAGS just tidier or does it make a difference to the output?
[15:41] <nigelb> cdbs: ping
[15:41] <jtaylor> has somebody already looked at cppcheck?
[15:41] <tumbleweed> wibblymat: LDFLAGS should come before the shared objects (LIBS and LDADD). gcc + ld didn't care about this in the past, so many C developers don't know this :)
[15:41] <LetoThe2nd> Rhonda: sorry?
[15:41] <nigelb> Rhonda: You're in Austria, for some reason I had it my head that you're in Germany :)
[15:42] <tumbleweed> yes, some LDFLAGS, like --as-needed act on things that come after them
[15:42] <tumbleweed> wibblymat: Here's what I did: lp:~stefanor/ubuntu/oneiric/sagan/ftbfs-jam
[15:43] <tumbleweed> wibblymat: what's left now before uploading to Ubuntu is to forward the bug to Debian and/or upstream
[15:43] <Laney> anyone know how to make sbuild honour http_proxy?
[15:43] <tumbleweed> Laney: you can tell it what environment variables to pass through (I thought)
[15:45] <Laney> aha
[15:46] <Laney> in schroot.conf maybe
[15:48] <Laney> nope :/
[15:50] <jtaylor> cppcheck fixed, forwarding patch to debian
[15:51] <nigelb> cdbs: ping
[15:52] <nigelb> cdbs: I'm setting up tarmac for community web projects. Let me know if you want it done for hof.
[15:53]  * tumbleweed needs to stop getting distracted
[15:54] <nigelb> okay, buildign scratchbox
[15:56] <jtaylor> any specific usertags that should be used for as-needed bugs?
[15:58] <tumbleweed> as-needed sounds good
[15:58] <jtaylor> hm debian-gcc and ld-as-needed exists
[15:58] <jtaylor> I'll use that
[15:58] <tumbleweed> they weren't auto-tagged, because they aren't the only thing that can create undefined references, I think
[15:58] <Laney> User<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:58] <jtaylor> see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=605839
[15:58] <Laney> Usertags: ld-as-needed
[16:00] <tumbleweed> neither one already exists
[16:00] <tumbleweed> (in ubuntu)
[16:01] <wibblymat> tumbleweed: Ok, had a play with quilt. Looks like there is no (easy) way to do it retrospectively if you've already changed the code though?
[16:01] <tumbleweed> yeah, no easy way
[16:02] <jtaylor> should the forwarded patch be registered somewhere in ubuntu?
[16:02] <wibblymat> Ok, will just have to remember to what-patch before I start :)
[16:02] <tumbleweed> wibblymat: also, Makefile.in is an auto-generated file, one wants to fix configure.in and regenerate it
[16:04] <wibblymat> As my old maths teacher used to say: You only learn from your mistakes, and boy are we learning today!
[16:04] <tumbleweed> which gets a little more complicated
[16:04] <jtaylor> ah there is a bug in ubuntu I can use
[16:04] <nigelb> okay, so I moved things around the makefile for scratchbox2, but it still fails.
[16:04] <jtaylor> when stupid launchpad would react! ._.
[16:04] <nigelb> Build log http://paste.ubuntu.com/635102/, and the diff of what I did http://paste.ubuntu.com/635103/
[16:06] <nigelb> If anyone can help figure out, that'd be rad
[16:09] <tumbleweed> wibblymat: excuse me, I must have had my head in the clouds. The issue here is that configure is being called with a LDFLAGS containing libraries. That's wrong. So, change that to LIBS in debian/rules
[16:09] <tumbleweed> no need for any patches
[16:16] <wibblymat> tumbleweed:
[16:16] <wibblymat> tumbleweed: lp:~wibblymat/ubuntu/oneiric/sagan/ld-as-needed more like it
[16:16] <wibblymat> ?
[16:17] <tumbleweed> yes, looks good
[16:18] <tumbleweed> but aim it at natty rather that oneiric
[16:18] <tumbleweed> err other way around :)
[16:18] <nigelb> tumbleweed: could you look at my scratchbox build failure?
[16:18] <tumbleweed> can do, one minute
[16:19] <nigelb> \o/
[16:23]  * jtaylor doing sslsniff
[16:24] <wibblymat> Ok, new merge proposal for sagan (#803194). I'll look at the other two pacakges I did and check I haven't made the same mistakes!
[16:27] <tumbleweed> wibblymat: Thanks for your contribution to Ubuntu (uploaded)
[16:27] <nigelb> wibblymat: \o/ Congrats!
[16:27] <tumbleweed> wibblymat: I also added a space between LP: #XXXX (otherwise it won't close the bug)
[16:28] <wibblymat> Woo :)
[16:28] <tumbleweed> wibblymat: verified that my xfe suggestions work
[16:30] <wibblymat> tumbleweed: Ok, working on that now
[16:31] <tumbleweed> nigelb: that's a weird amkefile
[16:31] <nigelb> tumbleweed: yeah :|
[16:32] <nigelb> Its also weird package
[16:32] <nigelb> packaged natively, then made non-native, no orig.tar
[16:32] <tumbleweed> that's probably uploader-error
[16:33] <jtaylor> was there some change in launchpad?
[16:34] <jtaylor> it does not work with opera anymore :/
[16:34] <jtaylor> and firefox also has some weird artefacts
[16:35] <tumbleweed> nigelb: you want -I in CFLAGS
[16:36] <ruhil> i just upgraded natty to oneiric and could not find the tray. Is it not there in oneiric or have i messed up something?
[16:37] <nigelb> tumbleweed: ah, move all the -I flags back to CFALGS?
[16:37] <nigelb> *CFLAGS
[16:37] <jtaylor> sslsniff patch forwarded
[16:38]  * micahg thanks jtaylor for doing sslsniff
[16:38] <tumbleweed> nigelb: yeah
[16:41] <tumbleweed> wibblymat: would you mind forwarding the sagan patch to debian, as it was a bug in the packaging? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debian/Bugs#Using_submittodebian_to_forward_patches_to_Debian
[16:41] <jtaylor> hm sslsniff is in the archive  but not sslstrip :(
[16:46] <nigelb> hrm, now the debuild -S -sa fails.
[16:46] <wibblymat> tumbleweed: Sure thing
[16:46] <nigelb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/635132/
[16:47] <tumbleweed> nigelb: looks like a syntax errro
[16:47]  * jtaylor alienblaster
[16:47] <nigelb> tumbleweed: doh, right.
[16:47] <nigelb> fixed
[16:48] <nigelb> Everytime, I type my GPG key password, I remember james_w's really really long password that he tried to type at UDS :)
[16:49] <Laney> some of my passphrases include compose key sequences
[16:49] <tumbleweed> nigelb: -uc -us ftw
[16:49] <Laney> they take a few attempts usually :-(
[16:50] <nigelb> tumbleweed: Got too used to signing it :)
[16:51] <nigelb> bah
[16:51] <nigelb> build failed again
[16:52] <jtaylor> alienblaster forwarded
[16:54] <nigelb> latest build failure http://paste.ubuntu.com/635135/, and my smaller patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/635136/
[16:56] <jtaylor> nigelb: can you post the compiler line that produces that error
[16:57] <nigelb> jtaylor: the makefile line?
[16:57] <jtaylor> no the expanded line when executing the makefile
[16:57] <jtaylor> you can probably get it with make VERBOSE=1
[16:59] <nigelb> jtaylor: manually?
[16:59] <nigelb> like without pbuilder?
[16:59] <jtaylor> yes, but maybe the makefile line helps me too
[17:00] <nigelb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/635139/
[17:00] <nigelb> this is the makefile line
[17:00] <jtaylor> that line has no libraries linked
[17:00] <jtaylor> are they placed in LDFLAGS?
[17:00] <nigelb> I dont see LDFLAGS defined
[17:01] <jtaylor> do you know where that symbol is defined?
[17:02] <nigelb> probably in the parent makefile
[17:02] <nigelb> looking
[17:03] <jtaylor> no I mean the undefined reference
[17:05] <jtaylor> urg that package ahs no orig.tar
[17:05] <jtaylor> but its not native
[17:06] <nigelb> jtaylor: yeah
[17:06] <nigelb> jtaylor: its a messed up package
[17:06] <nigelb> all I see is "LDFLAGS += $(MACH_CFLAG)"
[17:10] <jtaylor> the fix is to reorder the dependencies in that makefiel
[17:10] <jtaylor> the .o before the .so
[17:11] <nigelb> ahh
[17:12] <nigelb> jtaylor: the makefile in utils?
[17:12] <jtaylor> yes
[17:12] <nigelb> okay, I don't see .so files
[17:13] <jtaylor> - $(D)/sb2-interp-wrapper: preload/libsb2.$(SHLIBEXT) $(D)/sb2-interp-wrapper.o
[17:13] <jtaylor> + $(D)/sb2-interp-wrapper: $(D)/sb2-interp-wrapper.o preload/libsb2.$(SHLIBEXT)
[17:13] <nigelb> ahh
[17:13] <nigelb> further proves that I need to learn more about gcc and make :(
[17:14] <jtaylor> the .o file needs the symbol in the library (.so)
[17:14] <jtaylor> as-needed is positional, so when a so comes before the objects needing it it will drop the library
[17:14] <jtaylor> the .o needing the symbols must come before thy library providing them
[17:18] <tumbleweed> wibblymat: it's "ld --as-needed" or "-Wl,--as-needed" rather than "--ld-as-needed"
[17:18] <nigelb> jtaylor: thanks for the quick help and the lesson :)
[17:19] <nigelb> scratchbox fixed \o/
[17:22] <wibblymat> tumbleweed: Ugh, where did I write that?
[17:23]  * jtaylor pads
[17:23] <tumbleweed> wibblymat: xfe
[17:23] <tumbleweed> wibblymat: I'd also mention that you had to use dh_autoreconf
[17:24] <tumbleweed> wibblymat: and $@ comes before the --with (yes, dh is weird)
[17:24] <wibblymat> Ah, now thats interesting. When I put it before $@ I got errors
[17:25] <wibblymat> About "options before sequence" or somethign similar
[17:25] <tumbleweed> wibblymat: that's exactly the error it gives now
[17:26] <wibblymat> Oh, wait, you're agreeing with what I said. I think you just have an old branch
[17:26] <wibblymat> I've been working on that one
[17:26] <hyperair> um $@ comes after the --with.
[17:26] <wibblymat> old revision of the same branch, rather
[17:27] <hyperair> that's how i've always done it.
[17:27] <tumbleweed> hyperair: compat 8 or later doesn't allow that
[17:27] <hyperair> tumbleweed: oh seriously, wtf for?
[17:27] <wibblymat> Oh, hang on, I may have accidentally regressed
[17:27] <tumbleweed> stylistic reasons? :)
[17:28] <hyperair> meh =\
[17:28] <wibblymat> tumbleweed: Ok, it was me after all, I hadn't committed that change after all
[17:30] <tumbleweed> wibblymat: btw, did you submit the sagan patch to debian? (or did you run into trouble with reportbug?)
[17:30] <jtaylor> pads forwarded
[17:32] <wibblymat> tumbleweed: It should be forwarded
[17:33] <jtaylor> all so simple problems, it takes longer to write the email than to write the patch :/
[17:34] <wibblymat> tumbleweed: I used jtaylor's cppcheck report as a template :)
[17:37] <nigelb> okay, scratchbox forwarded
[17:37] <tumbleweed> wibblymat: oh, I see it now
[17:38] <tumbleweed> great
[17:39] <nigelb> and debdiff uploaded
[17:39] <jtaylor> oO interesting a new problem
[17:39] <jtaylor> tenance needs -fopenmp
[17:40] <jtaylor> weird it worked before
[17:40] <tumbleweed> wibblymat: OK, xfe patch looks good. This one should be sent all the way upstream (and to debian, if possible)
[17:41] <jtaylor> anyone know what fopenmp does besides linking gomp?
[17:43] <jtaylor> hm nevermind its a classical as-needed problem afterall
[17:49] <jtaylor> tenance forwarded
[17:50] <tumbleweed> wibblymat: vacation needs a space between LP: and #
[17:50] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: you are picking these off rediculously fast :)
[17:50] <jtaylor> its all just library reordering
[17:51] <tumbleweed> yeah, that is a fair number of them
[17:51] <nigelb> picking up opencity
[17:51] <jtaylor> still ought to forward the patches upstream though
[17:53] <tumbleweed> looks like upstream already dealt with cppcheck, that's a start
[18:07] <jtaylor> so forwarded bugs which have bug trackers wher eI have an account
[18:08] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: yeah, that's generally what I do (or mail the upstream). I expect the Debian package maintainer to have a relationship with upstream, so I'm happy to just report there if the upstream isn't easy to contact
[18:08] <wibblymat> I've created a bug in sourceforge for xfe. Does it need linking to LP in some way, or is it fire and forget?
[18:08] <tumbleweed> wibblymat: I'd mention it in th LP bug. One can't link unless the project is registered in LP
[18:10] <tumbleweed> wibblymat: if you do a quilt patch, mentioning where you've forwarded it in the patch header is a good idea: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/
[18:12] <jtaylor> and mark it forwarded in the debian bug
[18:16] <jtaylor> so last one for now: mooproxy
[18:22] <jtaylor> done
[18:22] <tumbleweed> nigelb: seeing that scratchbox2 has no patch system, I think a far more descriptive changelog entry is required (and wouldn't have been a bad idea anyway)
[18:23] <tumbleweed> nigelb: also, please link the LP bug to the Debian one :)
[18:23] <nigelb> tumbleweed: waiting for BTS to give me the bug number
[18:24] <nigelb> tumbleweed: suggestions on what needs to go in?
[18:24] <tumbleweed> ah, it's debian bug 632103
[18:25] <nigelb> why didn't BTS mail me :\
[18:25] <tumbleweed> probably just e-mail being slow...
[18:26] <nigelb> how does this sound? "Fixed FTBFS. Changed the ordering of libs in the Makefile in utils folder."
[18:26] <tumbleweed> and it should mention the LP bug
[18:27] <tumbleweed> this isn't ordering of libs, so much as libs in CFLAGS
[18:28] <james_w> changing the order of libs is what you did, but anyone can see that from the diff, the changelog should explain *why* you did that
[18:28] <james_w> why did that order cause the build failure? why doesn't the new one?
[18:29] <nigelb> ahh
[18:31] <micahg> tumbleweed: unfortunately, I can't help much on the FTBFS jam today, but I can help with syncing from Debian for the fixed packages if you like
[18:31] <tumbleweed> micahg: np. I haven't actually fixed any myself today, just been reviewing
[18:32] <nigelb> micahg: if you're aroudn toe help minions like me fixing, that helps too ;)
[18:33] <micahg> nigelb: nope, sorry, busy with other updates ATM
[18:33] <nigelb> np :)
[18:37] <nigelb> tumbleweed: I think we can announce that the jam is going to continue for a week.
[18:39] <tumbleweed> yeah, I kind of said that in the e-mail
[18:40] <nigelb> I'll post a status update onto planet and announce that
[18:40] <nigelb> tumbleweed: Updated the patch
[18:41] <tumbleweed> nigelb: that's better, although I'd still say "FTBFS with ld --as-needed" instead of toolchain change
[18:43] <nigelb> tumbleweed: hang on, updating :)
[18:45] <nigelb> tumbleweed: done :)
[18:48] <nigelb> ok, so now I'm dealing with opencity which uses autotools
[18:48] <Rhonda> nigelb: Don't become insulting  :P
[18:48] <tumbleweed> autotools packages usually have the mistake in configure.ac (or sometimes one of the Makefile.am s)
[18:49] <Rhonda> LetoThe2nd: I meant that I'm going offline. :)
[18:49] <jtaylor> usually LDFLAGS where it should be LIBS
[18:49] <jtaylor> but its a little problematic to patch when they don't use autoreconf :/
[18:49] <tumbleweed> dh_autoreconf to the rescue :)
[18:51] <tumbleweed> nigelb: uploaded, thanks
[18:51] <nigelb> \oo/
[18:51] <nigelb> erm
[18:51] <nigelb> \o/
[18:51] <nigelb> Rhonda: :D
[18:52]  * tumbleweed looks at a concice but ugly jtaylor patch, and decides its time to go home
[18:52] <nigelb> This is going to be tricky.
[18:52] <nigelb> I don't see anything problematic
[18:52] <jtaylor> ugly in which respect?
[18:53] <jtaylor> don't we want to wait for debian maintainer reaction?
[18:53] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: ugly in that it's a workaround rather than an upstreamable patch
[18:54] <jtaylor> which one?
[18:54] <tumbleweed> sslsniff
[18:54] <jtaylor> yeah that one is ugly
[18:54] <jtaylor> package does not use autoreconf and I think it is up to the maintainer to do that
[18:54] <tumbleweed> heh
[18:54] <nigelb> is the maintainer Rhonda ? ;)
[18:55] <tumbleweed> Also, isn't there a difference between -pthread and -lpthread?
[18:55] <tumbleweed> (theoretically)
[18:56] <jtaylor> yes, I just pasted what is in the Makefile.am
[18:56] <nigelb> tumbleweed: do you know of an autotools-related package fixed so I could take pointers on how to/where to look
[18:56] <jtaylor> look for LDFLAGS first
[18:57] <tumbleweed> nigelb: today's xfe patch
[18:57] <nigelb> jtaylor: not there in any of the makefile.am
[18:58] <tumbleweed> probably in configure.ac then
[18:58]  * tumbleweed will look when I get home, brb
[18:58] <nigelb> oh
[18:58] <nigelb> LDFLAGS="$LDFLAGS $SDL_LIBS"
[18:58] <Rhonda> nigelb: pah!  I'll tell manoj!
[18:58] <jtaylor> thats wrong
[18:58] <nigelb> Rhonda: :)
[18:59] <nigelb> jtaylor: ah, configure is full of that :|
[18:59] <nigelb> move all of that to LIBS?
[18:59] <jtaylor> just a note on my patches, they are intentional minimal, just showing whats wrong
[18:59] <jtaylor> My intention is that the debian maintainer will adapt it to its needs, the bug usually contains information on what I consider a better fix
[19:00] <jtaylor> nigelb: if there are only libs then yes
[19:01] <nigelb> jtaylor: mostly. ran into one fugly situation now.
[19:01] <jtaylor> I'm not sure if it has consequences when you put a linker flag in the LIBS variable
[19:02] <nigelb> LDFLAGS="-L$with_gl_prefix/lib $enable_gprof $LDFLAGS"
[19:02] <nigelb> is this real linker flag?
[19:02] <jtaylor> -L should be fine in libs
[19:03] <nigelb> and there is this
[19:03] <nigelb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/635222/
[19:03] <jtaylor> should also be fine
[19:03] <jtaylor> good pkg-config --libs should not have any positional ldflags in it
[19:04] <jtaylor> expands to something like this: -L/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu -lpng12
[19:05] <nigelb> ah
[19:15] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: the problem with that approach is that when the package doesn't FTBFS on Debian, the maintainer often doesn't care. We'd like the upstream to include the right fix as soon as possible, so it makes sense to prepare it
[19:41] <jtaylor> lets see if a maintainer reacts
[19:41] <jtaylor> if its to slow I might provide proper patches
[19:44] <aonyx> tumbleweed: I am officially poking you.
[19:44] <aonyx> it is David btw
[19:44] <tumbleweed> aonyx: hi
[19:45] <tumbleweed> yay for a south african presence :)
[19:45] <aonyx> :)
[19:46] <aonyx> I was wondering if you could point out a particularly easy package for me
[19:46] <tumbleweed> sure, let me find one. In the meantime, here's some background: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-June/033619.html
[19:47] <tumbleweed> things have just started quieting down, we had a relativly busy last few hours
[20:02] <tumbleweed> aonyx: ok, xbill is quite easy to fix but it uses autoconf, which makes things a little more complicated. Let me see if I can find something easier
[20:11] <tumbleweed> aonyx: ah, even easier, tabix, bug 803202
[20:11] <aonyx> awesome, thanks tumbleweed.
[22:25] <nigelb> opencity done, forwarded to debian and upstream.
[22:25] <nigelb> bug 771091, if anyone wants to sponsor (its on the queue anyway)
[22:26] <Laney> nigelb: you shouldn't use RC severity unless the FTBFS actually happens in Debian too
[22:27] <nigelb> Laney: argh. Wrong key. I was sending them with important.
[22:27] <jtaylor> as-needed failures are more minor or even wishlist as debian does not use that default
[22:27] <nigelb> I thought debian was also transitioning with us
[22:28] <nigelb> Laney: changing it now
[22:28] <jtaylor> no, only --no-copy-dt-needed
[22:28] <nigelb> ah
[22:28] <jtaylor> although its probably possible that that will change
[22:28] <jtaylor> especially when everything builds in ubuntu
[22:30] <tumbleweed> but generally speaking, if you haven't verified that the package won't build on debian, don't file an RC bug :)
[22:31] <nigelb> tumbleweed: I used submittodebian, so I think I pressed the wrong number.
[22:31] <tumbleweed> fair enough :)
[22:31] <Laney> you can downgrade it
[22:31] <nigelb> Anyway, just mailed control to downgrade it
[22:31] <Laney> bts severity xxxxxxx minor
[22:31] <Laney> nice one
[22:32] <nigelb> Laney: thanks for pointing it out.
[22:32] <nigelb> Its 3 am, fine details are escaping me :P
[22:33] <Laney> someone moaned in #debian-devel
[22:34] <jtaylor> a python guy, but with good reason, python apps break easily thanks to as-needed
[22:34] <jtaylor> there are several still broken in natty due to the phase with as-needed
[22:35] <jtaylor> they don't ftbs but instead break at runtime thanks to dlopen ._.
[22:38] <nigelb> phew, severity downgraded to normal.
[22:42]  * tumbleweed tends to use minor for these
[22:47] <nigelb> doh
[22:47] <nigelb> next time!
[23:05] <wibblymat> Oops, I put the wrong bug number in the changelog for xfe so it hasn't auto closed :s
[23:06]  * tumbleweed isn't good about checking such things
[23:10] <jtaylor> the .pc file is in the debian patch
[23:10] <jtaylor> you should avoid that in future
[23:12] <wibblymat> Ah, ok
[23:12] <tumbleweed> that sounds like bzr + 3.0 (quilt) which is messy...
[23:15] <wibblymat> A lot of things I've seen in my first week of digging in to Ubuntu has been messy or complicated :)
[23:18] <nigelb> I'm staying away from bzr when quilt is involved
[23:22]  * tumbleweed wonders about tweaking submittodebian to unapply patches and filter .pc
[23:25] <Laney> does it present the diff to you for review?
[23:26] <tumbleweed> the problem I have with it is that the patch it prepares never gets to my mutt, so I always attach a patch I prepared myself
[23:27] <tumbleweed> err yes it does let you edit the diff, IIRC
[23:41] <hakermania> Hello, till when can we post in REVU?
[23:44] <hakermania> And please can anybody explain me how this was advocated? it looks so crazy with so many errors: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plymouth-manager
[23:50] <micahg> hakermania: it's not in the archive
[23:50] <micahg> hakermania: and until feature freeze
[23:54] <tumbleweed> oh, btw jtaylor: BTS doesn't allow usertags for two users to be set by pseudo-headers, so your origin-ubuntu usertag wouldn't have been applied
[23:55] <jtaylor> ._.
[23:55] <jtaylor> saw it in a different bug and copied it
[23:55] <jtaylor> will fix later
[23:55] <tumbleweed> I assume you want to wait for debian maintainter responses, rather than having anyone sponsor them in ubuntu yet?
[23:56] <jtaylor> yes
[23:56] <jtaylor> unless there is reason for haste?
[23:57] <tumbleweed> not particularly for most of those packages
[23:57] <jtaylor> how do I clone a github pull request? :/
[23:57] <tumbleweed> clone the source repository?
[23:57] <jtaylor> I can't find a link on the page
[23:58] <tumbleweed> IIRC github pull requests have links to the source and destination
[23:59]  * jtaylor to stupid to find it
[23:59] <jtaylor> just edited to url to get to the source


[13:51] <narsiteo[m]> Keepass2 force to install mono-complete... is secure?
[15:31] <OvenWerks> narsiteo[m]: none of those words mean anything to me. I don't know waht keepass2 is or mono-complete.
[17:34] <AppAraat[m]> Interesting... https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/n6qt3d/pipewire_0327_released_launchpad_ppa/
[21:16] <OvenWerks> pipewire still has a long way to go for a lot of (semi)pro audio use
[21:16] <OvenWerks> promising though
[21:33] <kveremitz> it can't be a lot worse than pulseaudio :D


[04:08] <Torikun> anyone here use openstack?
[05:03] <pleia2> o/
[05:07] <Torikun> Sup pleia2
[05:07] <pleia2> hi there Torikun
[05:08] <Torikun> how do you like Openstack?
[05:08] <pleia2> it's wonderful
[05:08] <Torikun> Yeah I am loving it. My company is releasing an s3 module for it. YOu can store your instances and snapshots in s3
[05:08] <pleia2> cool
[05:09] <pleia2> my day job is working on the infrastructure for the project, just got back from the summit in hong kong on sunday
[05:09] <Torikun> Oh wow cool.
[05:09] <Torikun> Have you heard/seen about the Cloudian integration
[05:09] <pleia2> no, but in a sea of integration that's not surprising :)
[05:10] <pleia2> it's grown crazy fast
[05:10] <Torikun> http://s3.linux-toys.com/dashboard  is it secure having it public?
[05:10] <darthrobot> Title: [Login - OpenStack Dashboard]
[05:10] <pleia2> make it https and you should be fine
[05:11] <pleia2> (http is not secure, anyone can sniff passwords!)
[05:11] <Torikun> ah true
[05:11] <pleia2> https://horizon.hp.com :)
[05:11] <darthrobot> Error opening URL: [Errno -2] Name or service not known
[05:11] <pleia2> just launched last week
[05:11] <pleia2> doh
[05:11] <Torikun> did not load
[05:11] <pleia2> https://horizon.hpcloud.com
[05:11] <darthrobot> Title: [Login - Cloud Admin Dashboard]
[05:11] <pleia2> if I could remember URLs that would be awesome!
[05:11] <Torikun> oh cool
[05:11] <Torikun> looks like Amazon has a lot of competition
[05:12] <pleia2> indeed
[05:12] <Torikun> hopefully it will bring down pricing
[05:12] <pleia2> and increase availability+reliability
[05:13] <Torikun> kinda different market than VmWare
[05:14] <pleia2> for public cloud, yeah, but openstack is also competing pretty heavily in the private cloud market, where vmware dominates
[05:14] <pleia2> vmware is actually part of the openstack foundation though and I work with some of their devs for vmware plugins, it's kind of weird :)
[05:14] <Torikun> it sure has made my life easier
[05:15] <Torikun> when I was a at Symantec, we had a plugin with them and they ripped it off and made their own thing
[05:15] <Torikun> not good for a partnership!
[05:16] <pleia2> :\
[05:16] <Torikun> Openstack should be careful
[05:16] <Torikun> VmWARE are sharks
[05:16] <Torikun> lol
[05:17] <pleia2> well, openstack has a lot of big players, and I think vmware will be the loser if they don't play nice
[05:17] <pleia2> anwyay, time for me to find some dinner, nice chat!
[05:17] <Torikun> take care
[18:12] <raevol> the jon-O on air :) (avoiding the highlight)
[18:13] <raevol> "accept the criticism, and ignore the *****ing" amen :D
[21:12] <pleia2> ubuntu hour tonight in sf
[21:20] <Torikun> Nice
[23:38] <bkerensa> pleia2: If you will be in the city around Dec 11, 12 or 13th it would be cool to grab lunch


[00:00] <ikonia> !info ktorrent
[00:00] <uberdub> I guess its in squeeze-backports?
[00:00] <ikonia> ktorrent is in the repos, why are you backporting it
[00:00] <ikonia> uberdub: squeeze is for debian, not ubuntu
[00:00] <ikonia> uberdub: are you using debian or ubuntu
[00:00] <uberdub> ktorrent4 is not in the repos
[00:00] <uberdub> ktorrent3 is
[00:01] <ikonia> uberdub: 4.1.1 is in the repo
[00:01] <ikonia> uberdub: as the info command just showed you
[00:01] <ikonia> uberdub: are you using ubuntu or debian ?
[00:01] <uberdub> ubuntu 10.04
[00:01] <ikonia> uberdub: why are you looking at squeeze repos then ?
[00:02] <uberdub> because thats all a google search turned up for "libktorrent-dev"
[00:02] <uberdub> was a debian repo
[00:02] <ikonia> but surly common sense would kick in "I'm using ubuntu, not debian, I must not use debian repos"
[00:03] <uberdub> I just need the file
[00:03] <uberdub> the .deb
[00:03] <uberdub> preferrably
[00:03] <ikonia> for what ?
[00:03] <uberdub> if thats even the issue
[00:03] <uberdub> ktorrent4
[00:03] <ikonia> why do you want a deb file
[00:03] <ikonia> why not the package from the repo ?
[00:03] <uberdub> did you read above?
[00:03] <ikonia> which part ?
[00:04] <uberdub> ktorrent4 is not in the repos
[00:04] <ikonia> why do you want ktorrent 4 ?
[00:04] <uberdub> Im showing 3.3.4
[00:04] <ikonia> yes, in lucid
[00:04] <uberdub> magnet links
[00:04] <ikonia> I didn't know you where using lucid until you just said
[00:04] <ikonia> magnet links are not supported in ktorrent 3?
[00:04] <uberdub> this is the output http://pastebin.com/zzgSyb0v
[00:04] <uberdub> nope
[00:04] <uberdub> not until 4
[00:05] <uberdub> according to ktorrent.org
[00:05] <uberdub> its giving me a cmake error about a config file
[00:05] <ikonia> yes, I can see it in the wiki link
[00:05] <ikonia> uberdub: have you looked in the backports repo ?
[00:05] <uberdub> no
[00:06] <ikonia> that would be the first place I'd look, see if ktorrent is back ported
[00:06] <uberdub> how add the backport to the file?
[00:06] <ikonia> just add it from the repos menu
[00:06] <uberdub> repos menu in synptic?
[00:07] <ikonia> you're using synaptic in kde ??
[00:08] <uberdub> yeah, why not?
[00:08] <ikonia> it's normally a gnome app, as it's gtk based
[00:08] <uberdub> yeah
[00:09] <uberdub> I need gtk for a few other things
[00:09] <ikonia> well, you just need to enable that repo
[00:09] <uberdub> prefer kde to gnome for a de
[00:09] <uberdub> but a few gnome apps I like
[00:09] <ikonia> well, my suggestion is to enable backports (although I don't like doing it) and see if ktorrent is back ported
[00:10] <uberdub> still comes up as 3.3.4
[00:10] <ikonia> have you looked inthe back ports repo ?
[00:11] <uberdub> what do you mean "looked" into the backports repo?
[00:11] <uberdub> Ive enabled backports
[00:11] <uberdub> still shows ktorrent3
[00:11] <ikonia> uberdub: enabled the backport repo, updated the package manager and searched for ktorrent
[00:11] <uberdub> which is why ive been compiling it from source
[00:11] <uberdub> yes
[00:12] <uberdub> Ill do it with apt-get for good measure
[00:12] <ikonia> ok, then my next suggestion would be to enable the Kde kubuntu PPA
[00:12] <ikonia> again, not something I recommend normally, but it would be the next step
[00:12] <ikonia> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa
[00:13] <ikonia> it's maintained by the kubuntu development team, so it's one of the better ppa's so lower risk
[00:15] <uberdub> enable it in softwae sources?
[00:15] <ikonia> read the info on the page about how to enable it
[00:18] <uberdub> I hope they have ktorrent4 in there
[00:20] <uberdub> still shows 3.3.4
[00:21] <uberdub> and now I need to remove that ppa
[00:25] <uberdub> ktorrent isnt even listed in their "overview of published packages"
[00:26] <uberdub> anyone want to actually take a stab at the cmake error?
[00:34] <uberdub> cant find a .deb for lucid, would maverick suffice?
[00:37] <uberdub> guess not, getting a dependency error, and i have rhe dep
[00:50] <jb0nd38372> If I have 3 hard drives in my system, one of which is an SSD, and I have installed Kbuntu to that SSD; How can I put my home directory on another drive.  The SSD is 128 gig and I'd rather have my  apps (games and other stuff) on a  platter drive.
[00:53] <jb0nd38372> Wow I either ask an impossible question or, umm i'm not connected?
[00:54] <jb0nd38372> well thanks for the help LOL, bye
[00:56] <uberdub> got it added to repos. Thanks for the goose chase. Next time if you cant answer the specific question dont bother. Shoulda been on freenode any way.
[03:20] <ybit> map of kde users: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=206578397069667369090.0004ba9deed0dff19786f&msa=0&ll=28.304381,6.679688&spn=130.509252,346.289063
[03:20] <ybit> don't forget to put yourself on it!
[03:20] <ybit> we can have fun with the kml file in marble :)
[03:22] <teddy> Hello everyone
[03:22] <teddy> can somebody help me with a PHP problem, or name me the IRC channel where I can ask?
[03:24] <teddy> I have written this php file: http://paste.kde.org/434624/
[03:25] <teddy> now the problem is: It seems I cannot open files witch has the character ´ in it :(
[03:26] <teddy> in the name I meant
[03:26] <teddy> files with ' are no problem
[03:28] <shoopdewoop> i have 10.04 on my netbook (dell mini 1010); how do i make the webcam work? does it work by default and i just have to find it, or is there a driver i should download?
[03:29] <teddy> there is a package 'extra drivers'
[03:29] <teddy> most of them are closed source
[03:30] <teddy> sorry: additional drivers
[03:32] <teddy> hmmm, Iḿ not sure if you'ĺl find the correct driver there
[03:32] <teddy> but try please
[03:32] <teddy> what webcam you have?
[03:33] <shoopdewoop> its the internal camera in the netbook - not sure of the model
[03:33] <teddy> okay, what is the type number of your netbook?
[03:33] <shoopdewoop> dell mini 1010
[03:33] <shoopdewoop> if thats what you mean :P
[03:34] <teddy> jipp
[03:39] <teddy> hmmm, dell site sais its a 1.3MP cam
[03:39] <teddy> but no type or serial nr
[03:39] <teddy> if you know the exact type you can look for drivers :)
[03:40] <teddy> in the menu of KDE I have a program called: additional drivers
[03:41] <teddy> when you klick on that,
[03:41] <teddy> you cannot download any drivers for your webcam?
[03:41] <shoopdewoop> lemme check
[03:41] <teddy> :)
[03:43] <shoopdewoop> im not finding anything called 'additional drivers'. i have 'hardware drivers', but all that has are the wireless card drivers
[03:43] <teddy> menu > applications > system
[03:44] <shoopdewoop> nope
[03:45] <teddy> hmmm, I have default install
[03:45] <teddy> and in search, nothing too?
[03:45] <shoopdewoop> what version?
[03:45] <teddy> latest of kubuntu
[03:45] <yud1z> hello everybody
[03:47] <shoopdewoop> im running 10.04 (havent been able to get 11.10 working on the netbook)
[03:47] <yud1z> yeap. 10.04 => best
[03:48] <shoopdewoop> except when you want your integrated webcam to work, apparently :P
[03:48] <yud1z> ^_^
[03:51] <yud1z> Anyone in here, has intgrate gvim with dolphin?
[03:52] <teddy> @ yud: how do you mean?
[04:01] <DebDisciple> ok
[04:52] <ybit> the map of kde users is now editable, i had forgotten to enable this earlier
[04:53] <ybit> http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=206578397069667369090.0004ba9deed0dff19786f&msa=0&ll=28.304381,6.679688&spn=130.509252,346.289063
[04:53] <ybit> i'm planning on using the kml file generated inside marble at a kde booth in the coming weeks
[05:00] <DarthFrog> ybit: I just added me and my wife to that map. :-)
[05:17] <JMichaelX> ybit: did you make this map?
[05:18] <Guest92757> fred
[05:18] <Guest92757> fred
[05:19] <Guest92757> this pisses me off. im fucking fred damn it
[05:21] <Guest92757> "/topic"
[05:21] <bazhang> Guest92757, no cursing here
[05:31] <DarthFrog>
[05:32] <szal>
[05:32] <Unit193>
[06:44] <excognac> hi
[06:44] <DarthFrog> lo
[06:44] <excognac> why kde-config-gtk is kept back?
[06:48] <nafg_> excognac: Not sure of the specifics, but if you did sudo apt-get upgrade you may have to do dist-upgrade instead of upgrade.
[06:50] <excognac> nafg_: ty. cactually why packages are kept back?
[06:51] <nafg_> excognac: I only know what it says in man apt-get.
[06:52] <excognac> ok  check it out
[06:53] <excognac> i mean i do it
[07:19] <jameslord> hello
[07:19] <jameslord> kwallet is bullshit
[07:19] <pmallappa> Hello all
[07:19] <jameslord> i hate type password everytime i start my wifi connection
[07:19] <pmallappa> my external HDD light is still on even after I say eject from KDE (dolphin)
[07:20] <jameslord> kwallet , go to hell
[07:20] <DebDisciple> jameslord: make the password blank
[07:20] <SergSergiu> i hate using wep ;(
[07:20] <DebDisciple> or just turn off kwallet then
[07:22] <jameslord> DebDisciple how to make that password blank?
[07:25] <DebDisciple> Let me look
[07:27] <DebDisciple> Do you have kwallet in the systray?
[07:28] <jameslord> no
[07:30] <DebDisciple> ok alt-F2 and pull up the kwallet manager
[07:46] <DebDisciple> kwalletmanager
[08:03] <jameslord> DebDisciple cannot set a blank password there
[08:04] <brambleclaw> is there a freenode channel for help using wine?
[08:05] <brambleclaw> does anyone know how to configure wine to run might and magic VII?
[09:59] <jhoechtl365> Hi! Anybody using kubuntu 12.4 and can do me a favor?
[10:00]  * jhoechtl365 bug haunting
[10:00] <Tm_T> jhoechtl365: try asking in #ubuntu+1
[10:01] <jhoechtl365> Tm_T: people@ubuntu+1 using KDE?
[10:01] <jhoechtl365> will try ...
[10:02] <Tm_T> jhoechtl365: if it's KDE bug, you might ask it on #kde or #kubuntu-devel
[10:03] <jhoechtl365> Tm_T, OKTKX
[13:10] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[14:07] <JackyAlcine_> O.O
[14:21] <menace> hey, what's the future of kubuntu/kde in ubuntu now, where the main developer isn't paid anymore by canonical? any plans/anouncements yet?
[14:23] <James147> menace: save as xubuntu and the other *ubuntus, it will be community supported
[14:23] <James147> s/save/same ^^
[14:28] <ozze> Error 5: dependency not met: gawk not found in path
[14:28] <ozze> sysinfo
[14:32] <dom_> Привет всем! А есть русскоязычный чат
[14:32] <bazhang> !ru
[14:34] <menace> James147: yeah, but there are "more" supported ones and less...
[14:34] <menace> :D
[14:35] <dom_> #ubuntu-ru
[14:35] <dom_> !ru
[14:47] <Ondro> hi ppl
[14:48] <Ondro> how can I make the system tray widget smaller? It occludes the whole panel (taskbar and clock) everytime I put it there.
[14:51] <James147> Ondro: unfortinutly widget sizes in the panel are mostly auto calculated, though they should have sensable sizes... could you post a screen shot of what yours is doing wrong?
[14:54] <Ondro> here is the screen shot: http://i.imgur.com/k8AE3.png
[14:55] <Ondro> system tray takes almost all the panel, even though there is also task manager and digital clock added (which do not show up because of it)
[14:56] <Ondro> the clock does not show up if its on the right side of the system tray
[14:56] <James147> Ondro: add a spacer widget to take up the extra space
[14:56] <James147> (should be below the add widget button on the panel settings
[14:57] <James147> Ondro: though the clock not showing sounds like a bug ^^
[14:58] <Ondro> I will try.. but with the default panel, there was no spacer (if you mean those grey things), and it worked OK, so there must be a way how to do it without the spacers
[14:59] <James147> Ondro: the default panel has a taskmanager, which takes up the extra space
[14:59] <James147> Ondro: without that you need a spacer or another widget that is greedy for space
[15:02] <Ondro> but thats the point - I have the task manager added to the panel in the screenshot. it just wont show up if I also add the system tray (no matter how many programs which should be in the task manager I have opened)
[15:02] <James147> Ondro: where? I dont see it
[15:03] <James147> Ondro: if you want a default panel, then remove the panel, right click the deaktop > add panel > default panel
[15:04] <Ondro> see this screenshot:
[15:04] <Ondro> http://i.imgur.com/8n8h2.png
[15:05] <Ondro> task manager is flagged, so it is added into the panel
[15:05] <James147> Ondro: What happens if you remove the systray?
[15:07] <Ondro> then the task manager works.
[15:08] <James147> Ondro: and if you add the systary back it breaks?
[15:08] <Ondro> yes
[15:09] <James147> Ondro: what happens if you remove the taskmanager and add it back (or remove the panel and add a new default one?)
[15:09] <Ondro> I have added default panel, and the same thing happens - no task manager (as long as there is systray).
[15:09] <James147> Ondro: Does a new user have the same behaviour?
[15:14] <Ondro> guest user account is working properly
[15:19] <ipodpz> hello, which repository could i use to get a newer version of oxygen-gtk? i'm already using the kubuntu ppa but my package gtk2-engines-oxygen is out of date
[15:20] <James147> Ondro: you can reset plasma to its default settings (and should correct the problem) by (re)moving ~/.kde/share/config/plasm*
[15:24] <Ondro> will I lose my other panels if I do that?
[15:24] <BluesKaj> ipodpz,  which versions are you running ?
[15:24] <ipodpz> BluesKaj: i'm running http://i.imgur.com/ao7tF.png and it's creating a bug for gtk applications (such as banshee), like described there for opensuse: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732887
[15:26] <BluesKaj> ipodpz,  looks up to date ..I
[15:26] <BluesKaj>  I have the same versions and I'm on 12.04
[15:43] <Larre> Hi mates
[15:44] <dom_> пишу sudo apt-get install unetbootin а оно в ответ Не удалось найти пакет unetbootin
[15:45] <bazhang> dom_, /join #ubuntu-ru
[15:45] <bazhang> dom_, this is english only
[15:45] <Larre> Looks like my router has crashed. This has froce me to connect my kubuntu computer and my win7 computer directly to my switch. Now they cannot find each other on samba. I know for a fact 2 win computers finds each other fine with a switch, so it feels there should be a way to make it work
[15:53] <BluesKaj> Larre,  what kind of switch ?
[15:54] <Larre> It came with my ISP. PacketFront DRG231
[15:58] <BluesKaj> so the router doesn't have a modem , Larre , try, sudo service networking restart , in the terminal
[16:29] <samjnaa> hello people
[16:29] <Tm_T> hi hi
[16:29] <samjnaa> i'm looking for a mirror for kubuntu 12.04 beta other than cdimage.ubuntu.com
[16:30] <samjnaa> osuosl
[16:30] <samjnaa> kernel.org
[16:30] <samjnaa> mirrorservice.org
[16:30] <samjnaa> all of them give the beta only for ubuntu and not for kubuntu :-(
[16:30] <samjnaa> is this also because of canonical withdrawing commercial support of kubuntu?
[16:30] <samjnaa> :-(
[16:30] <Tm_T> no
[16:31] <Tm_T> only impact the withdrawal has in terms of support is that you cannot buy the support from Canonical
[16:32] <samjnaa> then why are there no mirrors for kubuntu 12.04 beta 1?
[16:32] <samjnaa> cdimage is quite slow for me
[16:32] <samjnaa> i mean why are there no mirrors for kubuntu when there are avilaable for ubuntu?
[16:35] <Tm_T> samjnaa: http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/kubuntu/dvd/current/
[16:36] <Tm_T> ...well, browse around there
[16:36] <samjnaa> hey i kjust got it too
[16:36] <samjnaa> :-)
[16:36] <samjnaa> good to see
[16:37] <Tm_T> its up to those who mirror the images to get the images I believe
[16:39] <samjnaa> ok thanks for your help bye
[16:52] <excognac> hello, I've noticed something weird: my firefox looks like if I were using gnome, thick buttons etc. Why is that?
[16:54] <markus_> moin
[16:57] <BluesKaj> excognac,  check you gtk settings in system settings > application appearanbce
[17:03] <excognac> BluesKaj: set as oxygen-gtk
[17:04] <giantpune> hi, i am looking to try out this ubuntu one stuff.  i have signed up for an account at the ubuntuone website.  not i guess i need sosem sort of software running on my computer.  do you guys one of one that integrades nicely into the kde desktop?
[17:04] <maco> nope
[17:05] <maco> its possible to get the gnome one running on kde, i did it a few years ago
[17:06] <maco> giantpune: install ubuntuone-client
[17:07] <vibhav> maco: YOu can install gnome-shell
[17:07] <maco> why would you want to?
[17:07] <Tm_T> vibhav: how random that was
[17:07] <giantpune> the whole reason i started with kde is gnome shell and unity
[17:08] <maco> giantpune: for a few weeks a year or two ago there was a kde client for U1, made by a student during Summer of Code. then the server api changed without warning right after that was released and...
[17:08] <giantpune> hate it when that happens
[17:08] <vibhav> Tm_T: 22:35 < maco> its possible to get the gnome one running on kde, i did it a few years ago
[17:09] <Tm_T> vibhav: yes, ubuntu one client
[17:09] <maco> vibhav: i dont understand what installing gnome-shell has to do with the gnome version of the ubuntu one client running on kde
[17:09] <vibhav> oh
[17:09] <kugblenu> anyone using ubuntu one on kubuntu
[17:09] <vibhav> maco: Never Mind
[17:09] <Tm_T> giantpune: ubuntuone client running in background does the job just fine
[17:09] <Tm_T> kugblenu: I do
[17:09] <Tm_T> vibhav: see pm
[17:10] <kugblenu> am actually new to everything linux has to offer
[17:10] <maco> its good to see that ubuntuone-client no longer requires installing Nautilus (the gnome equivalent for dolphin)
[17:10] <giantpune> ok, i got it installed.  do i need to do anything to get the service up and running?  ie restart the computer ala bill gates
[17:10] <Tm_T> giantpune: no need to restart anything
[17:10] <giantpune> sweet
[17:10] <Tm_T> giantpune: you need to launch the client app once, and login
[17:10] <maco> giantpune: with desktop app stuff, at most on linux you log out and log in again
[17:11] <Tm_T> giantpune: after that, the folder you set being synced is synced
[17:11] <Tm_T> but that's it
[17:11] <maco> Tm_T: does that have a menu entry or is it run some daemon in cli?
[17:12] <giantpune> under the settings menu i got "ubuntu one"
[17:12] <Tm_T> maco: it does place the required .desktop files automatically, yeah, gnome stuff running in background later on
[17:12] <Tm_T> atleast this is my experience with it
[17:12] <Tm_T> giantpune: settings menu?
[17:13] <giantpune> in the main dke start menu thingy i have one that says settings.  and in that menu i have "ubuntu one"
 the gui is the best
[17:16] <Tm_T> kugblenu: hm?
 its my second time in the irc and am a little lost
[17:17] <giantpune> fuuuuuuuuuuuuu.  even the ubuntu one gui is littered with twitter and facebook icons
[17:18] <Tm_T> kugblenu: you're doing mostly fine, I'm just unsure what you're trying to say (:
[17:18] <Tm_T> giantpune: language, please
[17:18] <giantpune> sorry
 am new to ubuntu environment but want to get acquainted quickly and settle in fast
[17:19] <Fanfare> ?de
[17:23] <vibhav> kugblenu: Please use nick : instead of <nick>, <nick> is used while quoting
[17:23] <kugblenu> vibhav: thanks
[17:23] <bazhang> !de | Fanfare
[17:23] <maco> kugblenu: to make it easier, if you start typing the first few letters of someone's nick then hit tab, most clients will autocomplete it
[17:24] <maco> kugblenu: so for you, i typed ku<tab>
[17:24] <kugblenu> maco: mine does the same
[17:24] <Fanfare> bazhang: thx
[17:26] <kugblenu> Tm_T: what is usually discussed here?
[17:27] <vibhav> kugblenu: Help regarding Kubuntu
[17:28] <kugblenu> vibhav: its a great os. am now familiarising with it and already i love it
[17:28] <vibhav> Nice to hear that
[17:30] <kugblenu> vibhav: i suppose you're an expert
[17:30] <Tm_T> kugblenu: he just left
[17:31] <Tm_T> and you don't need to think that you need a certain expert here, usually there's several people being able to help if they're just available (:
[17:31] <DarthFrog> kugblenu:  Expert or no, all are welcome to contribute here.
[17:31] <Tm_T> ^
[17:32] <kugblenu> Tm_T: that's encouraging cos i know everything about nothing
[17:34] <DarthFrog> kugblenu: That's how we all started.
[17:35] <kugblenu> DarthFrog: what makes kde and gnome different?
[17:36] <DarthFrog> kugblenu: Philosophically or in practice?
[17:36] <kugblenu> DarthFrog: both if possible
[17:37] <tsimpson> (in short) they are completely separately developed sets of software, and have different design and usability practices/guidelines
[17:38] <DarthFrog> kugblenu: I find KDE much more enabling, GNOME much more limiting.
[17:39] <tsimpson> best thing to do is try both and see which you like best, choice and all that :)
[17:39] <DarthFrog> But either of them work as a desktop environment and you can run the others apps in either environment.
[17:39] <kugblenu> DarthFrog: i want to contribute to kde in some way. is there anything i need to know?
[17:39] <DarthFrog> kugblenu:  Well, knowing KDE wouldn't hurt. :-)
[17:39] <tsimpson> kugblenu: depends what part of KDE you want to help with
[17:39] <tsimpson> programming/graphic design/documentation/translation etc
[17:40] <kugblenu> am interested in coding(still a big fat amateur at it)
[17:41] <hyper_ch> what would be the proper place to report troubles with kde themes?
[17:41] <tsimpson> kugblenu: if you want to help with coding in KDE, you will want to learn (in order) C++, Qt (http://qt.nokia.com/), and then the KDE API
[17:41] <DarthFrog> kugblenu: Then perhaps start by coding some small app or utility of your own that uses the KDE API.
[17:41] <tsimpson> hyper_ch: probably the author, if it's not a built-in theme
[17:42] <hyper_ch> tsimpson: it's a built in theme.... I just notice that all gnome apps have tooltips with a dark background and black font... hence tooltips in gnome apps with the air theme are barely readable
[17:42] <Tm_T> hyper_ch: gtk is not picking the text colour?
[17:42] <kugblenu> DarthFrog: where can i have access to the KDE API
[17:43] <tsimpson> kugblenu: the KDE API is documented at http://api.kde.org/
[17:43] <DarthFrog> kugblenu:  www.kde.org will have all you want.
[17:43] <hyper_ch> Tm_T: well, in the kde tool tips the text colour is white
[17:43] <hyper_ch> Tm_T: but in gnome apps its black
[17:43] <hyper_ch> and the background is equally dark on both
[17:43] <Tm_T> hyper_ch: sounds like a bug in gtk theme to me
[17:44] <hyper_ch> Tm_T: I noticed that behavious in thunderbird, chromium, libreoffice-gnome
[17:44] <hyper_ch> Tm_T: what gtk theme?
[17:44] <Tm_T> I don't know what gtk theme you're using
[17:44] <hyper_ch> Tm_T: I don't use any... I use KDE with Air theme
[17:45] <kugblenu> DarthFrog: what about the 'konsole'
[17:45] <DarthFrog> kugblenu: In what sense?  I love Konsole and use it extensively.
[17:46] <kugblenu> the only command i know currently is 'ls -al'
[17:46] <tsimpson> !cli
[17:46] <tsimpson> kugblenu: the link above should get you started
[17:47] <kugblenu> tsimpson: super
[17:47] <tsimpson> setting up your system to develop applications usually requires some command-line knowledge, but there are graphical ways to go about it too
[17:48] <DarthFrog> kugblenu:  The console is where the real power is in Linux.  The GUI/Desktop environment is fine for user-level apps (web browsing, email, IRC, etc) but to truly understand and control the system, having familiarity and comfort at the command line is where it's at.
[17:49] <DarthFrog> kugblenu: If you master use of the command line, you too can be the man behind the curtain. :-)
[17:49] <hyper_ch> Tm_T: there used to be an option in systemsettings to change gtk style but that is gone it seems
[17:49] <hyper_ch> so, default kubuntu install leads to dark tooltips background with black font - unreadable tooltips for gtk apps
[17:49] <kugblenu> DarthFrog: got the documentation on konsole. i just used the sudo su
[17:50] <tsimpson> kugblenu: use "sudo -i" to get a root shell, rather than "sudo su". also, you really don't need to be root to do software development (unless you want to install the software system-wide)
[17:50] <carluchox> hola
[17:50] <DarthFrog> kugblenu:  The best advice I can give you is when you are running as root (which you are after "sudo su") is to sit on your hands *before* pressing the Enter key.
[17:51] <DarthFrog> Also, what tsimpson just said.
[17:51] <kugblenu> DarthFrog: can i destroy my machine?
[17:52] <tsimpson> hyper_ch: does "System Settings -> Application Appearance -> GTK+ Appearance" not exist?
[17:52] <tsimpson> kugblenu: you can damage the installation, sure. the golden rule is "toot is a powerful thing, only use it when you need to"
[17:52] <DarthFrog> You can right royally screw your system up in many and varied ways.  Yes, we've all done it.  Those who haven't are lying. :-)
[17:52] <hyper_ch> tsimpson: oh.... I was looking at workspace appearance :)
[17:53] <tsimpson> hyper_ch: yeah, I looked there first too, but I remembered seeing it somewhere
[17:53] <DarthFrog> kugblenu: But don't be afraid of screwing somthing up.  You'll learn the most by solving problems.  And you can always re-install.
[17:54] <kugblenu> DarthFrog: right man. is it just me or is the user interface out of this world!!
[17:54] <DarthFrog> Just make sure your data (i.e. your home directory) is backed up.  Putting it on a separate partition of its own is a very good practice.
[17:54] <tsimpson> before you run any command (especially as root), make sure you understand exactly what that command is doing
[17:55] <hyper_ch> tsimpson: default is oxygen-gtk... when I switch to Raleigh then tooltips become readable but icons in TB are ugly
[17:55] <DarthFrog> kugblenu: We all like and enjoy the KDE user interface.  Perhaps we're a bit more jaded than you. :-)
[17:55] <DarthFrog> kugblenu: What tsimpson just said is the reason you sit on your hands.  It's your final opportunity to do so.
[17:56] <kugblenu> DarthFrog: i really respect and admire the makers. my dream is to join them
[17:56] <hyper_ch> tsimpson: thx for the help
[17:56] <hyper_ch> but still, by default it's bad when you have black and almost black as tooltip
[17:56] <DarthFrog> kugblenu: Well, get stuck in, then.  The KDE devs are always wanting new talent.
[17:57] <tsimpson> hyper_ch: I would say that you should file the bug against gtk2-engines-oxygen or kubuntu-default-settings then
[17:58] <hyper_ch> tsimpson: kubuntu or kde?
[17:58] <kugblenu> DarthFrog: am smooth with python. should my next stop be C or C++?
[17:58] <DarthFrog> kugblenu:  GNOME is C, KDE is C++.
[17:59] <tsimpson> hyper_ch: first on launchpad, let the devs look into it a little before deciding if it should be sent upstream
[17:59] <hyper_ch> tsimpson: ok :)
[17:59] <tsimpson> kugblenu: C++ should be relatively easy to pick up if you know python already, both are object orientated (though Python is a little more object orientated than C++)
[18:00] <hyper_ch> tsimpson: I hate launchpad.... it's so unintiuitive
[18:00] <tsimpson> and, obviously, Python is interpreted (by the python interpreter), where as C++ is compiled
[18:00] <tsimpson> hyper_ch: this is why they created the "ubuntu-bug" tool ;)
[18:00] <kugblenu> DarthFrog: is c knowledge not needed to enable you enter C++?
[18:00] <DarthFrog> kugblenu: I'm not a programmer, can't answer that question.
[18:00] <tsimpson> kugblenu: learn C++, not C. they are related but are used in completely different ways
[18:00] <hyper_ch> tsimpson: btw, 12.04 crashes apps all the time
[18:00] <tsimpson> learning C first will only give you bad habits
[18:01] <kugblenu> tsimpson: unfortunately i need C for school so i'll inevitably learn it. so C++ it is
[18:02] <tsimpson> hyper_ch: I tend to stick with stable for my main OS, with a chroot or VM for the latest dev release. saves me headaches
[18:02] <hyper_ch> tsimpson: it's not headache... just various crashes all the time :).... what's the name of the debug tool?
[18:02] <kugblenu> DarthFrog: i don't get the software repositories
[18:02] <tsimpson> kugblenu: learning C is fine, just learn C++ first ;) programming in C is completely different experience than programming in C++ (or Python, or anything really)
[18:03] <tsimpson> hyper_ch: which debug tool? the one that pops up after a KDE app crashes is drkonqi
[18:03] <DarthFrog> kugblenu: the repos are like public libraries.
[18:03] <hyper_ch> tsimpson: the one you were mentioning for bug reports
[18:04] <tsimpson> hyper_ch: oh, "ubuntu-bug"
[18:04] <DarthFrog> kugblenu: Each repo exists for a specific purpose.  Different repos have different purposes and contents.
[18:04] <tsimpson> it basically collects some information and posts it to a LP bug for you
[18:04] <kugblenu> DarthFrog: how do i add repos?
[18:05] <DarthFrog> kugblenu:  They're in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[18:05] <hyper_ch> tsimpson: oh, report bug is integrated in the help dropdown of the applications
[18:06] <tsimpson> hyper_ch: yeah, but that reports the bug against the package for that application, rather than letting you choose which to file against (at least, the last time I checked it did)
[18:06] <DarthFrog> kugblenu: Learning the Linux file system structure would be invaluable to you.  /etc contains config files.
[18:07] <DarthFrog> kugblenu:  BTW, if you want to sound like an old pro, you'll pronounce /etc as "slash et-c" not "slash et cetera". :-)
[18:08] <kugblenu> DarthFrog: :)
[18:08] <tsimpson> some say it as "et-see"
[18:08] <tsimpson> but, anyway: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview
[18:08] <kugblenu> tsimpson: i like et-see better
[18:09] <DarthFrog> kugblenu:  They're the same. :-)
[18:09] <tsimpson> phonetics don't travel over text very well ;)
[18:10] <kugblenu> DarthFrog:  :()
[18:10] <DarthFrog> kugblenu:  That link that tsimpson just posted mentions file permissions.  Learn file permissions completely, you'll solve a lot of problems by understanding file permissions.
[18:10] <kugblenu> Thanks guys for the great advice. gotta bail.
[18:11] <tsimpson> kugblenu: also, put this in your bookmarks: http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/
[18:14] <hyper_ch> tsimpson: reported it :) now wait and see
[18:16] <hyper_ch> and I'm still a bit disappointed that 12.04 doesn't ship Gimp 2.7 - I like the one window option ther
[18:17] <FFForever> Good afternoon
[18:18] <DarthFrog> Afternoon?  It's only twenty past 10 AM. :-)
[18:19] <hyper_ch> it's evening
[18:22] <FFForever> I installed the amd fglrx driver, and now my dual monitors wont let me change my secondary monitor from cloning to the right of my primary monitor. Also my displays are being picked up as crt2/dfp2 and not dvi-0 and vga-0
[18:22] <FFForever> brb grabbing a quick smoke :)
[18:27] <FFForever> bk
[18:28] <hyper_ch> FFForever: so you can't get the two screens to run at all in a way you want?
[18:29] <FFForever> hyper_ch, Before installing the AMD driver I was able to have both displays independent from each other
[18:29] <hyper_ch> no clue with amd
[18:31] <FFForever> to install the official driver from the AMD homepage should I remove the one from the additional drivers app and restart?
[18:35] <BluesKaj> FFForever,  yes but usually the recommended additional driver is the same as the driver fro amd/ati
[18:35] <BluesKaj> from
[18:35] <DarthFrog> FFForever: If the driver you download from AMD screws up, can you fix your system?
[18:35] <FFForever> DarkriftX, of course :)
[18:37] <DarthFrog> Then go for it.  I found no benefit in those drivers over the official Kubuntu fglrx drivers.  But then I only have a 5770 card.
[18:38] <DarthFrog> The official Kubuntu fglrx drivers are the same as the AMD drivers, perhaps an earlier version.  But they're tested to work with your systm.  The ones from AMD aren't.
[19:25] <cjae> so avidemux qt still cannot handle .mkv?
[19:28] <TSK> cjae: Reading or writing?  I just used it yesterday to write several .mkv files.
[19:28] <cjae> TSK: reading
[19:29] <cjae> TSK: when I select a .mkv the screen goes green and enlarges outside monitor spec. eg. beyond maxmize settings
[19:29] <cjae> screen = video playback screen
[19:32] <gee> hi
[19:33] <TSK> Sorry.  Seems I was having a lagstorm.
[19:34] <cjae> I seen that
[19:34] <TSK> Anywho...  avidemux-qt v2.5.4 which is installed on my kubuntu 11.10 machine currently just loaded a .mkv file just fine.  What version of kubuntu and avidemux-qt you using?
[19:37] <cjae> 11.10 and 2.5.4
[19:38] <cjae> had this problem in 11.04 too w/o screen enlargement. Am I missing a plugin or something?
[19:38] <TSK> Odd...  Same versions as me.  Have you installed all the proper codecs and all that to fully support all the media types you generally use?
[19:39] <cjae> restricted extra and the like
[19:39] <TSK> Yar.
[19:39] <cjae> yes
[19:39] <TSK> I guess you've been there, done that, already then...
[19:40] <cjae> never really tried to solve this issue before thou
[19:40] <TSK> And your avidemux-qt has troubles reading just one or two .mkv files, or ANY/ALL .mkv files?
[19:40] <cjae> just never convered file
[19:40] <cjae> one sec will try another
[19:40] <TSK> You trying to convert a .mkv file to .avi or somesuch?
[19:40] <cjae> yes
[19:41] <cjae> xvid/avi
[19:41] <TSK> Ah.  Okay, then...  Do you know the difference between a container and a codec?  I ask because many folk do not.
[19:41] <cjae> yes
[19:42] <TSK> The reason I ask is because if you check the contents of the .mkv file and the codec inside is already xvid or divx, then all you need to do is change the container, which is generally quite fast and easy to accomplish.
[19:43] <cjae> TSK: how can  check contents?
[19:43] <TSK> If it's got something else inside the .mkv file then it may or may not be compatible with .avi container and MIGHT (maybe) require re-encoding.  A much longer, slower process which may result in some minor loss of quality.
[19:44] <TSK> Are you comfortable on the commandline?
[19:44] <cjae> ok so another .mkv is working that did not work on last distro
[19:44] <cjae> cli = fairly
[19:45] <cjae> TSK: one question before shouold have a quick response.
[19:45] <TSK> 'mkvmerge -i <filename>' will give you some basic infos about most any videofile that mkvmerge recognizes.
[19:45] <cjae> when you open muon is the text half cut off for packages
[19:45] <TSK> Among the infos it returns are the codecs it finds inside.
[19:46] <cjae> ok I will try that on the other file
[19:47] <TSK> I tend not to use muon much, as it's still a bit crashy.  I lean toward synaptic even though it's GTK instead of QT.  I'm watching muon closely though, as it's coming along nicely and I hope to change to it eventually.
[19:48] <TSK> I don't have any problems with muon visually if I run it as a normal user, but then I have to give it my password every time I want to install anything, but on the other hand, if I run it with kdesudo, then it starts getting visually glitchy a bit.
[19:48] <Avihay_> I'll change to Muon when it will be informative about the install process
[19:48] <TSK> Avihay_: Yar.  That's another issue I have with muon.
[19:59] <cjae> TSK: look like all the .mkvs trying to open are Track ID 1: video (V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC)  Track ID 2: audio (A_AC3)
[19:59] <TSK> Pretty sure that's x264 video.
[19:59] <excognac> hi all
[20:00] <TSK> That's the new "standard" these days overall.  Supported by more than a few devices and operating systems.
[20:01] <excognac> I am trying to sort out a few issues could anyone let me know if this what I should see on 11.10 and KDE 4.8 from Ppa?
[20:01] <excognac> http://paste.kde.org/435026/
[20:09] <Tm_T> Avihay: hi
[20:16] <nikhil_> hello
[20:17] <kroonrs> nikhil_: hi - it's better to just ask a question if you have one...
[20:26] <AceKing> I just installed Kubuntu on my PC. After I restarted from the install, it showed that I have updates. I try to install them, but I keep getting a message saying "Another application seems to be using the package system at this time. You must close all other package managers before you will be able to install or remove any packages.)
[20:26] <AceKing> I don't have anything else running
[20:45] <excognac> AceKing: Close everything except your irc client/browser, even the packagage manager, open a terminal (System->Konsole) and run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:26] <Avihay> Tm_T: Thanks
[21:36] <Sifrazooy_> hiii, i have a small problem someone pressed someone on Kubuntu that make every thing disappear like the plasmoids even the programs but the programs i was able to terminate them and re-start them
[22:53] <Francis-Trois-Ri> test
[23:06] <Avihay> how is the gui package installer for gnome is called, I mean the one that runs when you double-click a deb file in nautilus?
[23:45] <BarkingFish> Guys, I don't know if anyone is around, but I need some help.  I'm in the middle of installing some updates and extra packages after reinstalling my system earlier due to a dead hard disk.
[23:46] <BarkingFish> I have apper doing an install of the restricted extras pack, but it's hung at 99% and refuses to go anywhere.  I don't want to cancel it cause it means me downloading the rest of the stuff again.
[23:46] <BarkingFish> Any ideas on what could be wrong? It's hanging on the ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[23:47] <BarkingFish> scratch that, nvm


[00:01] <bjf> cjwatson: i'm going to leave this system in this partially installed state in case you need any other info
[00:01] <Laney> I didn't know f-spot being demoted to universe was part of the plan.
[00:05] <lamont> doko: that guarantees at least 6 months of running an unsupported kernel, you realize.. building jaunty today on intrepid's kernel would be such a case
[00:05]  * lamont will ponder
[00:06] <doko> lamont: would you care, if you could run it on a virtual buildd?
[00:07] <bjf> cjwatson: bug 640033
[00:07] <ubot4> bjf: Bug 640033 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/640033 is private
[00:07] <doko> lamont: and why not use the distro kernel once a release is released?
[00:08] <bjf> hmmm, it shouldn't be
[00:10] <bjf> cjwatson: bug 640033
[00:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 640033 in grub-installer (Ubuntu) "maverick daily server iso (Sept. 15, 2010) fails to install grub on raided drive set (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/640033
[00:13] <lamont> doko: we already know that several packages do not build in virtual builders
[00:13] <lamont> anyway, family calling me to dinner
[00:14] <doko> lamont: -> UDS
[01:28] <wgrant> Uh, ew.
[01:28] <wgrant> Ew ew.
[11:24] <cjwatson> bjf[afk]: you didn't tell me you had dm-raid, rather than proper raid :-)  that's known-broken right now
[14:01] <bjf> cjwatson: sorry about that :-)
[14:02] <bjf> cjwatson: when will that be fixed? :-)
[14:03] <cjwatson> "soon"
[14:03] <cjwatson> it regressed due to an lvm2 update; reverting that wouldn't be a good plan, so we need to adapt
[14:04] <bjf> hmm
[15:11] <robbiew> FYI.../me will be requesting a freeze of the archive VERY soon ;)
[15:13] <nhandler> Do you guys think we could squeeze in an upload of lernid before the release? It is in universe and not seeded. Changes are also pretty minor.
[15:14] <cjwatson> universe stuff that isn't on CDs can keep going in for a while yet
[15:15] <nhandler> Great
[15:15] <cjwatson> right, apparently bug auto-closing is fixed.  now I guess I get to write a bit of launchpadlib to go and look for all the stuff that wasn't auto-closed ...
[15:17] <ogra> robbiew, dare you !
[15:18] <cjwatson> goodness me there have been a lot of uploads in the intervening time, he says as it hasn't got out of the 'a's yet
[15:18] <cjwatson> wait, no, wrong date
[15:21]  * ogra wants that armel queue to go on a diet !
[15:23] <Daviey> How much time do we have before final freeze? :)
[15:24] <ttx> depends on how hot the coffee can stay in robbiew thermos
[15:24]  * Daviey will buy robbiew a new kettle if it helps! :)
[15:24] <robbiew> Daviey: technically it was at midnight UTC today
[15:25] <ttx> right, we all know whath /that/ means
[15:25] <Daviey> robbiew, not what i wanna hear! :O
[15:29] <robbiew> Daviey: would 17:00 UTC work for you?
[15:30] <Daviey> robbiew, If that isn't causing problems for anyone, then yes, it really, really would
[15:30]  * Daviey has been fixing a "5 minute" bug, that has been taking hours.
[15:31] <robbiew> Daviey: okay...17:00 UTC it is
[15:32]  * robbiew will send an email
[15:34] <Daviey> robbiew, Let me know when you want to collect the beer.
[15:34] <robbiew> heh
[15:34] <ttx> I thought it was a kettle.
[15:35] <ogra> with beer ?
[15:35]  * ogra imagines a big cannibal tribe kettle
[15:36] <thisfred> ohai
[15:38] <skaet> robbiew,  17:00 UTC is only for Daviey?  or are others permitted?
[15:38] <robbiew> lol
[15:38] <robbiew> others are permitted
[15:39] <robbiew> the freeze will go into effect at 17.00UTC for all
[15:39] <skaet> cool.
[15:39] <robbiew> I mean I like Daviey...but he's not THAT special
[15:39] <robbiew> :P
[15:39] <ogra> unless someone else bribes more :)
[15:39] <Daviey> my mummy said i am special.
[15:39] <robbiew> and you are....to her
[15:39] <skaet> lol
[15:41] <ogra> Daviey, http://image22.webshots.com/23/1/76/80/355917680EWuyhU_fs.jpg
[15:41] <iulian> Hmm, my mum thinks I'm stupid.
[15:42] <thisfred> We (canonical online services) have a rather important bugfix for couchdb that we'd still like to get into maverick. Bug #422178
[15:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 422178 in couchdb (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "CouchDB needs to properly enable SSL support (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/422178
[15:42] <thisfred> A new package is building on LP with that bugfix
[15:43] <Daviey> ogra, \o/
[15:45] <robbiew> thisfred: okay
[15:45] <robbiew> if you don't make it by 17.00 utc, it can still be considered for the release, but would need review/approval by the release team
[15:46] <iulian> thisfred: Looking.
[15:46] <thisfred> awesome, we should be able to make that
[15:46] <iulian> Have you got a package ready to upload?
[15:46] <iulian> Ah, it's still building.
[15:47] <thisfred> iulian: it's building now
[15:47] <ogra> it really adds more excitement to just upload it without testbuild at 16:58 UTC :)
[15:47] <thisfred> (The only reason for that is that the bug number wasn't in the changelog yet)
[15:48] <thisfred> ogra: hopefully we can arrange something like that for natty, unfortunately this time the fix came in too early ;)
[15:48] <ogra> gah, yeah, your team seems to be not busy enough !
[15:49]  * ogra makes a note to add a lot of armel specific requests for online services during natty
[15:49] <thisfred> I'll forward that as a suggestion to my evil overlords
[15:49] <ogra> heh
[15:56] <iulian> thisfred: Is chef-server-api affected by this change?  I see that python-couchdb only suggests couchdb so it shouldn't cause any trouble.
[15:57] <thisfred> iulian: I have not looked at chef-server, but i doubt it, since that uses couchdb as a local datastore it looks like?
[15:57] <ogasawara> robbiew: I was waiting to upload linux-meta till armel and powerpc finished building (which will be a while).  But I can upload it now if that's preferred, else I can ping the release team for approval after.
[15:57] <thisfred> iulian: so it should not have run into the original problem
[15:57] <iulian> thisfred: Alrighty.
[15:58] <thisfred> iulian: the bug this fixes is that replication from a couchdb on another machine over SSL was broken
[16:00] <iulian> thisfred: OK, I'm fine with it then.  Approved.
[16:01] <thisfred> iulian: awesome, thank you!
[16:02] <iulian> thisfred: Don't mention it.  Please upload it asap.
[16:02] <thisfred> as soon as it's built, I will get someone to do just that
[16:02] <iulian> Excellent.
[16:03]  * cjwatson writes a little launchpadlib program to go through all bugs that were closed since the Launchpad breakage that stopped bug auto-closure, check if the appropriate bug task isn't fix-released, and present him a bug log and the option to close each one
[16:03] <cjwatson> this won't do my karma any harm
[16:04] <cjwatson> bug 502871> example of results
[16:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 502871 in alarm-clock (Ubuntu) "Invalid MimeType in desktop file (affects: 1) (heat: 20)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/502871
[16:04]  * ogra hand closed most of his
[16:05] <cjwatson> so did I, but it gets tedious and I bet many people didn't
[16:05] <ogra> yeah
[16:05] <cjwatson> so I'll clean up after everyone in bulk
[16:09] <cjwatson> (the reason it has to be interactive is that I need to catch the situation where there's been chat on the bug after the point when the bug ought to have been auto-closed which indicates that the bug needs to stay open)
[16:16]  * iulian likes robbiew's e-mails. :)
[16:18] <robbiew> iulian: heh
[16:22] <robbiew> ogasawara: hmmm....not sure which would be better, tbh.
[16:24] <ogasawara> robbiew: it might be less work for the release team later if I just upload it now
[16:25] <robbiew> yeah
[16:25] <robbiew> ogasawara: go ahead
[16:25] <robbiew> who cares about armel anyway
[16:25] <robbiew> (j/k)
[16:25] <robbiew> but seriously, I agree...upload away
[16:25] <ogasawara> heh
[16:26] <ogasawara> ack
[16:28] <ScottK> robbiew: I like how you avoided using the wrong release name by not using one at all.
[16:28] <robbiew> :)...I'm learning
[16:35] <nigelb> ScottK: He's smart, we all agree :D
[16:35] <thisfred> ok, couchdb is built (though not yet published) which brings me to the next issue: I don't have a sponsor with bandwidth to do the upload for me. Seems like everyone's busy for some reason...
[16:35] <nigelb> ScottK: Also, now that mail can be reused without changes except date :D
[16:36] <iulian> thisfred: What about the last uploader?
[16:36] <thisfred> actually it *is* published now
[16:36] <thisfred> I think that was statik, he's since ascended...
[16:40] <ev> anyone mind terribly if I kick off new desktop CDs?  There's a bug in today's that prevents bootloader installation.
[16:40] <cjwatson> fine by me
[16:42] <ev> okay, cool, on it now
[16:45] <thisfred> iulian: yeah, both statik and kenvandine are overloaded with other things atm.. :(
[16:46] <thisfred> also statik is no longer on our team
[16:46] <robbiew> thisfred: but he still has the "power" :)
[16:47] <thisfred> robbiew: he does, but he's off "managing" ;)
[16:49] <cjwatson> actually, I could do with a new server build too.  I'll kick that off in parallel
[16:51] <iulian> thisfred: Arghht.  You need a core-dev then.  I don't have upload privileges to main.
[16:51] <thisfred> iulian: statik is doing it after all
[16:51] <robbiew> :)
[16:51] <iulian> thisfred: Excellent.
[16:51] <iulian> Heh. :)
[16:51] <robbiew> yeah..."managing" isn't THAT hard
[16:51] <robbiew> heh
[16:51] <iulian> Indeed.
[16:51] <thisfred> just call him a manager to his face, and he'll get mad and do it ;)
[17:01] <robbiew> t-minus one hour
[17:03] <cjwatson> ogra: FYI, queuebot should no longer have the bug where it only notices the first version of a package in the queue
[17:04] <cjwatson> which you reported in the beta cycle
[17:04] <ogra> ah, sweet
[17:25] <\sh> robbiew: would you like to make the Maverik +2 Release an "Ubuntu 11.11.11 -> The "Cologne Carnival" Release? ;)
[17:25] <cjwatson> nooooo
[17:25] <robbiew> what cjwatson said
[17:27] <\sh> that's sad...we could have celebrated the release in Cologne starting at 11:11am german time with a lot of Kölsch ;)
[17:33] <ogra> \sh, i doubt non germans understand the pun :)
[17:34] <\sh> ogra: well, yes :)
[17:37] <cjwatson> I think I must be missing it too
[17:39] <nigelb> \sh: that needed a little googling
[17:42] <\sh> the carnival season starts on the 11th of November at 11:11am German Time...and most people in cologne are starting to getting mad, drunk and happy :)
[17:47] <Daviey> robbiew, You have my permission to freeze the archive :P
[17:48] <robbiew> Daviey: heh
[17:55] <skaet> 5 minutes to go....
[17:55]  * ogra shivers
[17:56] <\sh> ogra: Don't Panic !
[17:57] <ogra> well ... i have the feeling io forgot something important all the time
[17:57] <ogra> i got my towel though
[17:58] <skaet> lol
[17:59] <\sh> ogra: your mice ;)
[18:00]  * ogra hears the chruchbell outside
[18:01]  * skaet waiting for Robbie to be official...
[18:01] <iulian> Heh.
[18:02] <robbiew> I can feel it coming in the air tonight, Oh Lord
[18:02] <robbiew> I've been waiting for this moment, all my life, Oh Lord
[18:02] <robbiew> Can you feel it coming in the air tonight, Oh Lord, Oh Lord
[18:02] <skaet> hold on?
[18:02] <robbiew> frozen!
[18:02] <iulian> Yay!
[18:02] <\sh> "Shout It Shout It Shout It Out Loud!" ;)
[18:03] <ogra> no more "putting tongue tip on pole" now :'-( sniff
[18:04] <kenvandine> yay... now i can go to lunch :)
[19:00] <ev> Can someone let ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu 25 through?  I forgot to update the pot files before uploading the freeze-approved version 24.
[19:16]  * highvoltage wonders if anyone will find the hhgttg easter eggs hidden in edubuntu
[19:17] <highvoltage> robbiew: btw, did you know that Phil Collins played that to Richard Branson on a tape he recorded while he was still a taxi driver?
[19:17] <robbiew> highvoltage: no...no I did not
[19:18] <robbiew> heh
[19:18] <highvoltage> robbiew: yep, he forced him to listen to it and RB liked it and signed a record deal. that was quite lucky :)
[19:19] <slangasek> I didn't know Richard Branson was a taxi driver
[19:19] <highvoltage> no, I meant when Phil Collins was a taxi driver
[19:20] <slangasek> oh ;)
[19:20] <robbiew> slangasek: hey...can you tend to poor ev's request about ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu 25? :)
[19:20] <sbeattie> Was that before or after Phil Collins was in Genesis?
[19:20] <highvoltage> my english seems to have gotten even worse among the french canadians :)
[19:20] <slangasek> robbiew: ooking
[19:20] <slangasek> robbiew: looking
[19:20] <robbiew> slangasek: thnx
[19:21] <skaet> sbeattie,  got to have been before...   no need to taxi drive after Genesis.
[19:21] <slangasek> in the beginning there was the cab
[19:21] <highvoltage> sbeattie: I'm not sure, pity they don't mention it on Phil's wiki page, I read about it in Richard Branson's book, "Screw it, let's do it again"
[19:21] <sbeattie> skaet: right, but "In the Air Tonight" was post-Genesis... /me smells an urban legend, of which there are a few about that song.
[19:22] <highvoltage> skaet: yeah I believe that was the start of his musical career
[19:22] <highvoltage> (and sorry for all the noise on the channel :) )
[19:22]  * skaet suspects urban legand too...
[19:24] <highvoltage> they don't mention it on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Air_Tonight ... weird, I wouldn't suspect that they'd lie in the book. I'll have to look it up again and mail the publisher a [citation needed] :)
[19:30] <slangasek> ev: accepted
[19:40] <ev> slangasek: I owe you liquor
[19:40] <ev> thanks
[19:40] <slangasek> heh :)
[19:45] <ScottK> No queuebot?
[19:47] <cjwatson> it's here; I'll have to look at why it isn't picking anything up
[19:48] <robbiew> whew...thought I forgot to do something again :P
[20:22] <cjwatson> ScottK: seems to be nothing in the unapproved queue ...
[20:23] <ScottK> cjwatson: Not at the moment.  I've processed the ones that have arrived.
[20:23] <ScottK> That and slangasek got one.
[20:25] <cjwatson> well, I don't see why it wouldn't be working; so I'll check next time I notice that the queue's non-empty
[21:18] <ScottK> cjwatson: Queue is non-empty.
[21:37] <doko> ScottK: please approve python3-defaults and python3.1
[21:37] <cjwatson> ScottK: ah, stale lock.  cleared, should sort itself out soon
[21:37] <doko> or cjwatson ;)
[21:39] <slangasek> I can take the python review
[21:40] <slangasek> yuck, ntfs-3g soname change in NEW?
[21:43] <cjwatson> pitti gave it an FFe
[21:44] <slangasek> ok