[11:52] <artnay> do ISD hackers have their own channel somewhere or is this a suitable channel to ask a question which concerns https://launchpad.net/canonical-identity ?
[11:53] <artnay> to be precise, the question is about http://login.ubuntu.com
[12:18] <daker_> artnay, try #canonical-isd
[12:19] <artnay> daker_: thanks


[13:28] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:58] <RikMills> santa_: looks like pkg-kde-tools install ok again
[20:23] <santa_> RikMills: ack, most of perl transition is done now
[20:24] <santa_> I need to do a couple of things and will do some kubuntu stuff today, including, but not limited to the frameworks packages


[00:00] <ScottK> http://ubuntu-releases.cs.umn.edu/hardy/ as an example.
[01:52] <sparr__> this is a bug, no?  /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d: 274: /sbin/runlevel: not found
[02:41] <LaserJock> man, I wish these earthquakes would stop :/
[02:50] <ajmitch> LaserJock: move to NZ, we never have earthquakes here...
[02:51] <LaserJock> but you have ... new zealanders ;-)
[03:02] <RAOF> You could come to .au - we don't have earthquakes either, and a lower concentration of new zealander's than NZ :)
[03:02] <PMantis> Australia?
[03:03] <ajmitch> RAOF: depends on which suburb you're in :)
[03:11] <LaserJock> RAOF: sorry, you may not have many new zealanders, but your australian concentration is a bit high ;p
[04:46] <jdong> ia64 build of iscsitarget 0.4.15-5ubuntu2 in ubuntu intrepid RELEASE
[04:47] <jdong> oh my god oh my god oh my god!!!1
[04:47] <jdong> IT SAYS INTREPID!!!!
[04:47] <nixternal> haha
[04:47] <nixternal> all of my packages have been coming back with FTBFS for lpia
[04:47] <jdong> nixternal: that's a bug in the hardware then ;-)
[04:48] <nixternal> heh, rsibreak-kde4 FTBFS ia64 :)
[04:48] <nixternal> jeesh, I am getting a bunch of Intrepid emails tonight
[04:49] <gnomefreak> do one of you remember the command to automagicly add the next build to changelog (something like dch -i debian/changelog?
[04:49] <emgent> :D
[04:49] <calc> intrepid has been open for a couple days now
[04:50] <calc> well in the archive, its still frozen aiui
[04:50] <calc> doko has been uploading toolchain stuf for a while now
[04:51] <calc> zul: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/
[04:51] <zul> calc: I know I was kidding
[04:51] <calc> zul: ok :-P
[04:53] <calc> hmm gta iv released today
[04:55] <ajmitch> ah, an important release
[04:55] <ajmitch> but will it run on ubuntu?
[04:57] <calc> isn't it for consoles? :)
[04:57] <calc> best solution to get rid of windows, get a console for games :)
[04:59] <calc> i don't actually like gta just noticed it made the news with a poll asking should violent games be sold
[05:00]  * ajmitch doesn't tend to play many games
[05:01] <ajmitch> world of warcraft a bit, but cutting back on that for sanity's sake
[05:10] <zul> i still like pong
[05:48] <RoAkSoAx> hi there, anyone around?
[05:54] <CrippledCanary> jdong: I just subscribed -sponsors on bug #224241
[06:41] <dholbach> good morning
[06:52] <LaserJock> morning dholbach
[06:54] <dholbach> hiya LaserJock
[06:54] <LaserJock> I guess this means I should be going to be
[06:54] <LaserJock> ;-)
[06:55]  * dholbach hugs LaserJock
[06:55] <ajmitch> hello dholbach, goodbye LaserJock
[06:55] <dholbach> hi ajmitch
[07:06] <PMantis> HI guys, I have my own repo setup... and I'm using "gpg -abs -o Release.gpg Release" to secure it. However, I get this on apt-get update unless I delete the .gpg file: "Failed to fetch http://domain.com/apt-repo/binary/Release"
[08:46] <secretlondon> can someone sanity check my bug with a .pc file before I send it to debian?
[08:46] <secretlondon> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/soundtouch/+bug/214929
[08:46] <secretlondon> This is half the cause of an audacity bug
[09:00] <YokoZar> dholbach: did you catch the confusion regarding SRU process yesterday?
[09:01] <dholbach> YokoZar: no, not really - what was it about?
[09:02]  * dholbach rushes out to walk the dog for a bit - brb
[09:09] <\sh> YokoZar, what was it?
[09:57] <YokoZar> dholbach: \sh: Basically I followed the process on the SRU wiki page and ended up uploading without an ack since it wasn't clear I was supposed to wait for one between step 3 and 4
[09:57] <YokoZar> I assumed that uploading to -proposed was how the SRU team reviewed proposed updates
[09:58] <\sh> YokoZar, hmm...
[09:58] <dholbach> YokoZar: best to ask members of https://launchpad.net/~motu-sru/+members if they can clarify the docs
[09:59] <laga> i wonder if someone from motu-sru can take a look at bug #220087 and ACK it. it fixes an upgrade problem
[10:01] <YokoZar> Also I guess it's worth pointing out that I'm not sure what to do now.
[10:01] <YokoZar> \sh: you've seen the bug right?  Very minimal patch, fortunately.  Also I've tested it to work.
[10:01] <\sh> YokoZar, tbh, I think there needs to be a review of the docs for SRUs...because I wonder if any member of motu-sru does know everything about special packages...
[10:02] <\sh> YokoZar, yes...nothing which can break existing wine installations
[10:05] <coolbhavi> Hello  Can you please point out the errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8868/
[10:07] <\sh> coolbhavi, you still have diff fragments in your control file
[10:07] <\sh> e.g. <<<<<<< mon-0.99.2-11ubuntu1 (ubuntu)
[10:07] <\sh> and [10:07] <\sh> and other stuff
[10:07] <coolbhavi> How to overcome?
[10:08] <\sh> coolbhavi, remove it in the right way?
[10:08] <\sh> following merging documentations :)
[10:11]  * \sh fights more with bacula
[10:11] <coolbhavi> means removing lines 9 10 and 11?
[10:12] <\sh> coolbhavi, dunno...it depends if the package is a merge or not.
[10:13] <\sh> coolbhavi, if there is an ubuntu change, so it's a merge, you need to follow the DebianMaintainerField guidelines for ubuntu (which you can find on the wiki)
[10:14] <coolbhavi> I have got the major part of merging into my head but the conflicts part I m not understanding at the moment...:(
[10:14] <Hobbsee> coolbhavi: differences between ubuntu and debian.  you have to merge them, and keep the bits you want.
[10:18] <coolbhavi> Hobbsee : I understood that but how to edit control files? I m up with it for past hour but I keep getting same error... :(
[10:18] <Hobbsee> coolbhavi: ...with a text editor.
[10:19] <\sh> grmpf
[10:20] <\sh> bacula is missing somehow the drop tables script in /usr/share/bacula-director
[10:20] <coolbhavi> Hobbsee : yes I know but can you give an example please of a sample control file before changes and after changes in merging?
[10:20] <Hobbsee> coolbhavi: wouldn't that depend on the changes to the control file?
[10:20] <Hobbsee> the non-merged is what you have now.
[10:21] <Hobbsee> the merged looks more like a standard control file, which you'll find in the packaging guide.
[10:22] <coolbhavi> OK thanks I ll come come back if any doubts are there.. Please bear my questions....
[10:28] <coolbhavi> OK is this a standard control file? http://paste.ubuntu.com/8874/
[10:29] <Hobbsee> yes
[10:30] <coolbhavi> Ok thanks
[10:39] <coolbhavi> Now is my control file correct? http://paste.ubuntu.com/8878/
[10:40] <\sh> grmpf...
[10:40] <Hobbsee> coolbhavi: yes, style-wise, it's correc.t
[10:40] <Hobbsee> i've no way of knowing whether you picked the right bits to merge.
[10:41] <coolbhavi> I m following yesterdays session on merging at the Open week...:)
[10:43] <pochu> so does anyone have a needs-packaging wishlist for a Python application/module?
[10:44]  * \sh needs to recreate his whole build infrastructure...can somebody do me a favour and fix bacula? :)
[11:36] <Kopfgeldjaeger> hi
[11:39] <Kopfgeldjaeger> i have a package that patches the configure file. it adds launchpad-integration to lines like <error: Package requirements: libegnome-something \n>. should i add those lines to all messages like that?
[11:44] <Kopfgeldjaeger> yes, i should. ok.
[11:49] <fargiolas> jdong: ping?
[12:22] <Sveinung> does anyone know when all the packages from Debian will be auto synced to Intrepid?
[12:25] <mrpouet> hi
[12:25] <StevenK> Sveinung: Sometime after the toolchain is sorted out
[12:26] <Sveinung> StevenK: thank you. About how long time do you belive that will take? (days, weeks or months?)
[12:27] <dholbach> a very few days
[12:27] <Sveinung> thanks
[12:28] <sebner> dholbach: heya. any news/progress about the new "contributors" group?
[12:28] <dholbach> sebner: as far as I can see no blockers, now that the name is sorted out
[12:30] <james_w> dholbach: have you spoken to sistpoty about co-ordinating the revu-uploaders name change? Or is that decision not final yet?
[12:31] <sebner> dholbach: kk, just want to join ASAP to start the new development cycle with a new mail adress for the changelogs ^^  Btw do you know where to send the application?
[12:31] <dholbach> sebner<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:31] <dholbach> james_w: no, I didn't talk to him about it yet - it'd be nice if that was sorted out too
[12:32] <sebner> dholbach: great. thx :)
[12:32] <dholbach> ROCK :)
[12:32] <james_w> sebner: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2008-April/001035.html is an example
[12:32] <dholbach> make sure you CC your sponsors :)
[12:32] <sebner> dholbach: kk. I have testimonials on my wiki page ^^ xD xD XD
[12:32] <sebner> james_w: thx :)
[12:33] <sebner> dholbach: a good laugh ;) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StefanEbner
[12:33] <james_w> dholbach: I can speak to him today if he is on. Is the decision at the meeting final? There were no responses to the minutes.
[12:34] <persia> Lack of objection to the minutes is what makes a decision "final".  Note that such a "final" decision is subject to change from new agenda in a future MOTU Meeting.
[12:34] <james_w> persia: cool, thanks.
[12:35] <persia> james_w: Please note that in general, building consensus is preferred to any formal process.  The "formal rules" tend to based on precedent from previous cases where there was confusion or disagreement.
[12:36] <persia> Wherever possible, it's best to proceed on your best understanding, and engage in discussion if this doesn't match your perception of another's understanding.
[12:36] <james_w> ok
[12:38] <persia> For wide-ranging changes that affect a lot of people, I like to have final discussion at a MOTU Meeting, just because that way everyone has time to prepare, and can share their thoughts.  On the other hand, the decision (new for gutsy) to use massive task lists to handle transition bugs was taken without a MOTU Meeting.  It really depends on the subject, and whether there is any controversy or confusion.
[12:49] <\sh> grmpf...
[12:49]  * \sh needs a hp tape library somehow
[12:53]  * ScottK doesn't think the team rename should be done until after someone has a REVU patch to change it to work with the new name.
[12:58] <james_w> ScottK: that's exactly why I was going to talk to sistpoty
[12:58] <RainCT> ScottK: dunno what you were talking about but if you want to change the team name I can update REVU if necessary (changing the group name seems like a pretty trivial change)
[12:59] <ScottK> RainCT: I'm not saying it's easy or hard, just that it needs to be done in a coordinated way (unlike last time where MC broke REVU keyring syncs without even knowing they'd done it).
[13:01] <pochu> nxvl: I think I'm going to 'repackage' terminator for the Python Packaging session ;)
[13:01] <pochu> nxvl: it's the perfect candidate as it's simple and uses distutils :)
[13:02] <RainCT> actually, I think I'm going to move this to REVU's config file..
[13:05] <pochu> nxvl: do you know where can I find some terminator screenshots online? the link at lp.net/terminator doesn't load...
[13:06] <CrippledCanary> ScottK and RainCT: I manage to sort out the bug for #224221 :)  .....
[13:07] <CrippledCanary> had to study some debconf :)
[13:07] <ScottK> Kewl.
[13:08] <CrippledCanary> now just waiting for a sponsor upload
[13:10] <sebner> persia: sended my application :) Awaiting for moderators approval. I have you take that not too serious because my applications is somehow a little bit sloppy ^^
[13:11] <sebner> *hope
[13:53] <ScottK> jdong: First Hardy backport from Intrepid is done: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/devscripts/2.10.26ubuntu3~hardy1
[13:54] <ScottK> FYI: Devscripts that (among other things) has intrepid as the default is backported to hardy-backports and will be available there once it
[13:54] <ScottK> is built/published
[13:54] <jdong> ScottK: nice
[13:55] <ScottK> ... intrepid as default for dch ...
[13:56] <ScottK> Or not.  It's not depwait.  Built in my pbuilder.  Urgh.
[13:56] <jdong> haha
[13:57] <ScottK> jdong: It's libterm-size-perl and the whole main/universe thing again.
[13:57]  * ScottK gives up on backporting anything in Main until it's fixed.
[13:57] <jdong> ScottK: grumble, the bug is "fixed" in lp development
[13:57] <jdong> hopefully it'll be really fixed in the upcoming upgrade
[13:58] <ScottK> Would you please beat on them and make sure.
[13:58]  * jdong nods
[13:58] <ScottK> I guess once that fix gets release it'll un-depwait automatically anyway.
[14:08] <Mez> \sh, ping
[14:09] <\sh> Mez, pong
[14:09] <sistpoty|work> hi folks
[14:09] <Mez> \sh, the new xdebug package is in the NEW queue for debian. Do you want me to build a 0ubuntu1 for intrepid ?
[14:10] <\sh> Mez, if it's in debian, we can sync it later.
[14:10] <sebner> heya sistpoty|work
[14:10] <sistpoty|work> hi sebner
[14:10] <\sh> intrepid is still frozen for toolchain
[14:11] <\sh> Mez, but we should watch out for indirect bugs, like php-xdebug + zend-platform == crash ;)
[14:11] <\sh> or better the other way around
[14:11] <Mez> \sh ah yes, we have a while yet - I forgot. Though it might be fun as It uses 'xdebug' as the source package
[14:12] <\sh> Mez, this we can resolve with pitti in a clean way imho
[14:13] <Mez> \sh, I'm sure it can - but it means more work for SOMEONE
[14:13] <Mez> by the way do you/the guy who made the ubuntu package have alioth accounts?
[14:13] <\sh> Mez, I have yes..
[14:13] <Mez> \sh, what's your alioth account ?
[14:14] <Mez> (as we're using that + collab-maint for xdebug)
[14:14] <\sh> Mez, oh damn..wrong question ;) wait .. i'll have to check
[14:14] <Mez> sh-guest ? :P
[14:15] <Mez> \sh shermann-guest
[14:16] <\sh> Mez, yes
[14:16] <\sh> Mez, but the -guest part I never wanted...
[14:16] <\sh> but alioth is forcing me to use this :(
[14:17] <Mez> \sh, yeah - it does unless you're a DD
[14:17] <\sh> well, imho this will never happen ,-)
[14:18] <Mez> \sh, why not?
[14:20] <james_w> hi sistpoty|work
[14:21] <james_w> sistpoty|work: for the renaming of u-u-c to go ahead do you just require a patch to the source and then co-ordination of the time to rename, or is there something else involved?
[14:21] <\sh> Mez, I disagree with some of debians ways
[14:21] <Mez> \sh, care to explain?
[14:23] <\sh> Mez, wrong place, wrong time
[14:23] <Mez> \sh, no problem
[14:28] <sistpoty|work> james_w: it's just patching the code and renaming the team afaik... siretart wanted to take care for that (and iirc split off the keyring handling from revu to a different project when doing so)
[14:28] <james_w> sistpoty|work: ok, thanks, I'll talk to him about it.
[14:29] <siretart> ah, right
[14:29] <siretart> that was as well on my list
[14:29] <james_w> hi siretart
[14:29] <siretart> hey james_w
[14:32] <siretart> sistpoty|work: I notice that the daily keyring sync script has been disabled from revu1's cronjob. do you know if we have another place where the keyring sync is done from?
[14:32] <siretart> I don't remember disabling it
[14:32] <sistpoty|work> siretart: nothing on spooky at least
[14:32] <siretart> ok
[14:34] <james_w> sistpoty|work: do I remember right that you also requested that the ownership of revu-uploaders be transferred to revu admins?
[14:35] <sistpoty|work> james_w: yes, either /me or siretart did that... but it's not really a problem if that doesn't happen imo
[14:36] <siretart> james_w: yes, I requested ownership to be transferred to revu-admins
[14:37] <siretart> james_w: I requested that because I thought only the owner of a team can rename it. it seems that every administrator (revu-admins is) can do that
[14:37] <siretart> james_w: so my request isn't that urgent. still, I think that revu-admins is a more appropriate owner than motu-council, but YMMV
[14:38] <\sh> revu is completely separated from motu, I thought
[14:41] <siretart> \sh: sort of. revu is a service offered by ubuntuwire for ubuntu developers.
[14:41] <siretart> sistpoty|work: james_w: team renamed, keyring sync started. seems to work
[14:41] <sistpoty|work> siretart: woohoo, thanks a lot :)
[14:42] <james_w> siretart: fantastic, thanks.
[14:42] <persia> I'd agree that "revu-uploaders" belongs to revu-admins, rather than motu-council.  motu-council may be responsible for a different open team, but that's another issue, for another day.
[14:44] <siretart> wiki page updated
[14:44] <siretart> if you find any missing references to ubuntu-universe-contributors, please fix them to mention revu-uploaders!
[14:46] <sistpoty|work> siretart: did you also update revu trunk?
[14:46] <siretart> sistpoty|work: sorry?
[14:46] <siretart> sistpoty|work: no, I didn't commit the change yet
[14:46] <sistpoty|work> siretart: ah... then I don't need to wonder why I'm not getting a mail *g*
[14:48] <persia> Should old specs also be updated to reflect the team name change?
[14:49] <siretart> sistpoty|work: production branch updated
[14:49] <sistpoty|work> thanks a lot, siretart!
[14:50] <sistpoty|work> persia: might make some sense, I guess
[14:50] <sistpoty|work> persia: do you mean the revu2 spec? iirc it's referred to from elsewhere
[14:50] <sistpoty|work> (so it makes sense to update it)
[14:50] <persia> OK.  I'm just updating the results from a full text search of the wiki then, excepting meeting logs and personal pages.
[14:52] <sistpoty|work> thanks persia
[14:57] <james_w> Thanks persia, you beat me to it.
[14:57] <persia> I'm unsure about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuTutorialsDay/GetYourWorkIntoKubuntu  Anyone have an opinion?
[14:58] <james_w> persia: I just added a note at the point where it is mentioned to explain it, do you think that is correct?
[14:59] <ScottK> What's your question about it?
[14:59] <sistpoty|work> looks good james_w
[14:59] <persia> Well, I'm not sure about editing an IRC log.  it feels like editing an old changelog entry.  I think it'd be better to extract the useful content from the log, and put it into a HOWTO somewhere, if that hasn't been done already.
[15:00] <persia> ScottK: I'm not sure I should s/ubuntu-universe-contributors/revu-uploaders/
[15:00] <ScottK> Maybe add a footnote at the bottom.
[15:29] <Hobbsee> bug 8896
[15:35] <broonie> DktrKranz2: I've actually had one of teh SCons developers offer as well.
[15:47] <DktrKranz2> broonie: no problem then :)
[15:47] <DktrKranz2> they know better than me, thanks ;)
[15:48] <broonie> DktrKranz2: Well, he knows nothing about packaging.
[15:49] <broonie> DktrKranz2: I'm thinking team maintinance might be best.
[15:49] <DktrKranz2> sounds good
[15:49] <broonie> How about I look at uploading your package tonight and put you guys in touch with each other?
[15:50] <broonie> I do want to give up the package since I'm not enjoying maintaining it at all any more.
[15:50] <DktrKranz2> broonie: great! I'll be mostly offline due to adsl failure these days, I found a old modem and I can connect from time to time
[15:51] <DktrKranz2> hope to be back in action soon
[15:51] <DktrKranz2> can I/we poke you for sponsorship?
[15:52] <broonie> Yes, of course.
[15:52] <DktrKranz2> good :)
[15:54] <DktrKranz2> broonie: I noticed link I gave you is incorrect, do you want the good one?
[15:54] <broonie> Please.
[15:54] <DktrKranz2> dsc is here: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/scons/scons_0.98.3-1.dsc
[15:54] <broonie> Could you e-mail it, please?
[15:55] <DktrKranz2> sure, just a second
[15:55] <broonie> I'll not look at it until this evening.
[15:56] <DktrKranz2> done
[15:57] <\sh> hey jono
[15:58] <Hobbsee> uh oh, i'ts jono!
[15:58]  * Hobbsee runs and hides
[15:59] <jono> hey
[15:59] <jono> :)
[15:59] <DktrKranz2> broonie: in case of troubles,  just drop me a line by mail or in IRC and I'll catch it when back online
[15:59] <\sh> jono, will you attend LT this year after UDS? :)
[16:13] <jdstrand> hi ScottK
[16:13] <jdstrand> ScottK: I finally looked at bug 217256 and added a comment recommended moving forward with SRU for dapper
[16:14] <jdstrand> ScottK: sorry it took so long-- got *really* busy with hardy release
[16:23] <jdstrand> leonel: hi! I was just looking at bug #213500
[16:23] <jdstrand> leonel: can you update your dapper debdiff to update 00list and retest?
[16:26] <leonel> jdstrand: PLOP  sorry ..   I'll redo de debdiff
[16:27] <emgent> heya people
[16:27] <jdstrand> leonel: thanks!
[16:27] <jdstrand> hi emgent
[16:27] <emgent> hey jdstrand :)
[16:30] <leonel> jdstrand: also i'm cooking  another debdiff for bug #217256  for feisty and  gutsy
[16:33] <jdstrand> leonel: ok. ping me when ready
[16:33] <leonel> jdstrand: will do
[16:38] <sebner> geser: around?
[16:55]  * \sh heads home
[16:57] <geser> sebner: yes
[16:58] <sebner> geser: :). I suppose you attended the MC meeting today? I read the minutes. What does that means now?
[17:00] <geser> sebner: if we don't reschedule the meeting for sometime later this week, the next meeting will be next wednesday
[17:01] <sebner> geser: that also means until then *nothing* will be done?
[17:02] <geser> very likely, perhaps only the team rename
[17:03] <jdong> [  144.547466] wifi0: FAILED verification of AR5K_PHY_AGCCOARSE_HI default value [found=0x6e (-18) expected=0x6e (-18)].
[17:03] <jdong> heh.
[17:04] <geser> sebner: but open applications aren't only processed during the meeting. during the meeting we only look which ones are still open.
[17:04] <jdong> I don't know what that means, but it sure doesn't speak too highly of madwifi...
[17:04] <sistpoty|work> well, there's a difference between 0x6e and 0x6e... probably a very subtle one *g*
[17:05] <jdong> :)
[17:05] <sebner> geser: ok. thanks
[17:14] <geser> sebner: as your application is on the MC radar, we won't ignore you for to long :)
[17:14] <sebner> geser: ah. you already noticed ^^
[17:54]  * sistpoty|work heads home
[17:54] <sistpoty|work> cya
[18:09] <leonel> jdstrand: done the debdiff for  bug 213500
[18:26] <jdstrand> leonel: thanks-- and you tested it too? (the bug just said the debdiff was updated)
[18:35] <leonel> jdstrand: there's a build error  fixing it
[18:37] <bddebian> Heya gang
[18:53] <geser> Hi bddebian
[18:53] <bddebian> Heya geser
[19:06] <wasabi> So... probably a simple problem on my part; genchanges is saying it cannot read the files list file: No such file or directory.  Probably just a missing file I didn't create, but I can't figure out which one.
[19:06] <wasabi> Basic packaging help. ^
[19:08] <LaserJock> sebner: are you subscribed to motu-council?
[19:17] <ScottK> jdstrand: I'm back now.
[19:17] <ScottK> jdstrand and leonel: My preferred solution for Dapper is to copy clamav from dapper-backports to dapper-updates/-security.  That'll be one less variant we have to make patches for in the future.
[19:21] <jdstrand> ScottK: understood, and I expressed my opinion on that in the bug
[19:21] <ScottK> So I guess I need to harass an archive admin then?
[19:21] <jdstrand> ScottK: looking at the code, IMO it will need full SRU, but at least it'll be the last time
[19:21]  * jdstrand nods
[19:21] <ScottK> OK.
[19:22] <jdstrand> ScottK: but I didn't do the testing
[19:22] <ScottK> Right.
[19:22] <ScottK> Testing is mostly use it and see it not break.
[19:22] <ScottK> The security hole is known fixed in 0.92.1, so that's not at issue.
[19:24] <leonel> ScottK: jdstrand  not to be lazy from me  but   agree with ScottK's  solution
[19:24] <jdstrand> leonel: I agree too
[19:24] <jdstrand> it just isn't in there *yet*
[19:25] <ScottK> leonel: In the scheme of things, I'd suggest focus your patching on feisty/gutsy if you have to pick.
[19:26] <ScottK> pitti did the last clamav pocket shuffling, so I'll ask him on Friday.
[19:34] <leileilol> think there's a chance for libmodplug to be updated to the latest working version?
[19:34] <leileilol> the current one in the repositories is a bit old and doesn't sound as good as the latest
[19:34] <leileilol> although xmms is depreciated, there is one game I know of that uses libmodplug
[19:34] <leileilol> (nexuiz)
[19:35] <ScottK> leileilol: For Intrepid, yes.  After that maybe a Hardy backport.
[19:39] <leonel> ScottK: working on
[19:41] <ScottK> K
[19:53] <leileilol> the libmodplug in ubuntu has a problem with patterns in audacious, like makes the first pattern plays twice
[19:53] <leileilol> and then ends the song abruptly
[20:27] <mysterycool> Hello.
[20:31] <mysterycool> I am interested in requesting a mentor to guide me through in order to become a MOTU. I will write an email in a bit and im wondering if u could plz tell me when i'll most probably get a response from a mentor.
[20:34] <james_w> mysterycool: there are a few people waiting for mentors at the moment, so you will probably join a queue of people I'm afraid.
[20:34] <james_w> you can start working without one though, so don't let it stop you
[20:34] <mysterycool> hmm, k, then I think ill get working around with packaging stuff and maybe request one in a while or so =]
[20:35] <james_w> and any contributions you can make beforehand will probably make you more appealing to invest time iin as your commitment will be more clear.
[20:35] <RoAkSoAx> hi there, to start merging (for this new development cycle) i should be in intrepid right??
[20:40] <cyberix> Does Ubuntu Wine team have an irc channel?
[20:40] <james_w> RoAkSoAx: you mean running intrepid?
[20:41] <ogra> hehe
[20:41] <ogra> RoAkSoAx, not even hardcore devs would do that in the next four weeks :)
[20:41] <ogra> as soon as the merging starts intrepid will eat your children
[20:41] <james_w> cyberix: I don't think so, they just discuss things here.
[20:41] <RoAkSoAx> james_w, yes... to do merges... or can i create a pbuilder enviroment for intrepid un my Hardy installation?
[20:42] <ogra> there ill be a debootstrap in hardy-updates that will support building chroots/pbuilder for intrepid on hardy
[20:42] <james_w> RoAkSoAx: yup, you can. That's the way most people will do it for a while
[20:43] <james_w> pbuilder/debootstrap/vm etc. at least
[20:43] <RoAkSoAx> james_w, so do i just to this?: sudo pbuilder create --distribution intrepid --othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid universe multiverse"
[20:43] <ogra> but give it still some days, the toolchan is just being built
[20:44] <james_w> RoAkSoAx: yep, I think that's right, but as ogra says give it a few days.
[20:45] <RoAkSoAx> ok, because after doing that i have this error: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9012/
[20:45] <ogra> you cant do that yet
[20:45] <ogra> there is no intrepid
[20:46] <ogra> only if the toolcain has built and someone pushed a new debootstrap to hardy-updates
[20:46] <ogra> dont bother to try before
[20:46] <RoAkSoAx> oh ok, thanks ;)
[20:47] <ogra> someone will surely yell in #ubuntu-devel or put it in the channel topic if you can
[20:49] <ffm> How do I get a debdiff I made accepted?
[20:52] <james_w> ffm: you should subscribe the sponsors team, then someone will review it and upload if it is ready
[20:53] <ffm> james_w: Ok. Should I put that I fixed a bug in the changelog of the debdiff? (and if so, can I just edit the diff file instead of going through the process all over again?
[20:53] <james_w> ffm: yes and possibly, though editing a diff can make it not apply properly
[20:54] <james_w> if you simply edit a line you are safe, but adding a new line means you need to tweak the numbers at the top of the hunk
[20:55] <ffm> james_w: Thanks.
[21:02] <Son26> hi ;)
[21:02] <james_w> hi
[21:03] <Son26> what this?
[21:04] <james_w> Son26: you can find out more about what we do at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[21:05] <Son26> what this? page?
[21:11] <Son26> hw?
[21:19] <Son26> james_w: No!
[21:20] <laga> ?
[21:20] <Kopfgeldjaeger> can i unsubscribe someone else from a bug?
[21:25] <slangasek> Kopfgeldjaeger: no, you need a launchpad admin for that
[21:26] <Kopfgeldjaeger> ok. if i upload a new package, should i upload *.dsc, *.diff.gz and *.orig.tar.gz? or link to the orig file? or create a get-orig-source rule?
[21:39] <Mez> wow, this rules file is fun
[21:39] <Mez> mkdir  etc/etc/etc/etc/etc
[21:39] <Mez> cp etc etc/etc/etc/et
[21:39] <Mez> over and over again
[21:48] <slangasek> Mez: bwuh?
[21:48] <Mez> slangasek, the package I'm making
[21:49] <Mez> It basically just copies files to the right paths for the respective packages
[21:53] <RainCT> Mez: why don't you just use dh_install?
[21:53] <Mez> RainCT, I might... dunno yet
[21:53] <slangasek> Mez: so you don't mean "etc/etc/etc/etc/etc" literally...? :)
[21:53] <Mez> slangasek, nope
[21:53] <Mez> lol
[21:54] <slangasek> ok, that's what was frightening me
[22:05] <norsetto> LaserJock: can you pls. check bug 221399 and eventually ack it?
[22:07] <LaserJock> norsetto: k
[22:07] <norsetto> LaserJock: thx
[22:25] <Jazzva> Should I subscribe motu-sru and prepare sru bug report for bug 219303 in order to include this fix in 8.04.1?
[22:42] <norsetto> Jazzva: since you need sponsoring, and u-u-s is already subscribed, you may as well wait for it
[22:43] <norsetto> Jazzva: your sponsor should help you with the sru too
[22:43] <Jazzva> norsetto: Thanks...
[22:44] <Jazzva> Just wanted to check if everything is ok. I would like if this fix could be included :).
[22:44] <norsetto> jazzva: couldn't keep you away from ubuntu too long eh ;-)
[22:45] <Jazzva> norsetto: Naah :). I think I managed to do both Ubuntu and school work...
[22:46] <norsetto> jazzva: when you say "Re-apply changes from 0.2-0ubuntu2" is that because of an incorrect sync/merge?
[22:47] <norsetto> jazzva: ops, its 0.2-0ubuntu2, so, this cannot be
[22:47] <norsetto> jazzva: so, do you know why these changes were removed?
[22:49] <Jazzva> norsetto: Right ... Some of the changes were lost between 0ubuntu3 and 0ubuntu5 (I think). I don't know why they were removed, but it wasn't documented. It might be due to the bad build system. The build system deletes some of the needed files on the dist-clean, that needs to be fixed upstream.
[22:50] <norsetto> jazzva: ah, so there is no patch system being used ... good
[22:50] <Jazzva> Some of the build files were changed before, but those changes were lost somewhere between ubuntu3 and 5.
[22:51] <Jazzva> norsetto: No patch system for now. I'm planning to set up one, when we include 0.3. Most of the changes were made to the build system.
[22:51]  * norsetto curses against people not using a patch system
[22:51]  * Jazzva hides
[22:52] <norsetto> jazzva: ok, so, do you know why was that automake change made in the first place?
[22:54] <Jazzva> norsetto: Yes. It deleted gnome-doc-utils.make file in dist-clean, which is needed in the build process.
[22:55] <norsetto> jazzva: that would be the DISTCLEANFILES change, not the addition of the automake call?
[22:55] <Jazzva> norsetto: automake call was removed. It might be the source of this, too...
[22:56] <norsetto> jazzva: ah, you only change the in/am, why not changing directly the Makefile then
[22:56] <LaserJock> norsetto: do you have any idea wbout these lockups in rkward?
[22:56] <norsetto> jazzva: just automake on another tree with the DISTCLEANFILES change and diff it to the Makefile
[22:56] <norsetto> LaserJock: no idea
[22:57] <norsetto> LaserJock: but the change is relatively heavy
[22:58] <norsetto> LaserJock: its an upstream change, I have seen no refs in ubuntu nor debian bts
[22:58] <LaserJock> norsetto: I think the version should be maybe 0.4.9-2build1
[22:59] <norsetto> LaserJock: for an sru!?
[22:59] <LaserJock> or 0.4.9-2ubuntu0.1
[22:59] <LaserJock> I don't think a build1 is going to be a problem
[22:59] <norsetto> LaserJock: I'm ok with it, I'll change before uploading
[22:59] <Jazzva> norsetto: Hmm, Makefile is made in the build process, and then removed in the cleaning process...
[23:00] <norsetto> jazzva: ah
[23:00] <Jazzva> (just checked)
[23:00] <norsetto> jazzva: you got an upstream with a serious case of cleansing frenzy :-)
[23:01] <norsetto> jazzva: so, you do need to automake anyway
[23:01] <LaserJock> norsetto: it looks to me that according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityUpdateProcedures#Prepare it should be 0.4.9-2ubuntu0.1
[23:01] <norsetto> jazzva: no wait, that could also be done during the configure step
[23:01] <norsetto> LaserJock: checking
[23:02] <LaserJock> although they don't specifically mention rebuilds, my guess is that we should treat them as any other upload
[23:02] <Jazzva> norsetto: yep. automake would produce Makefile.in, which was provided by the upstream.
[23:02] <norsetto> LaserJock: ok, will go for 0.4.9-2ubuntu0.1
[23:02] <Jazzva> norsetto: Anyway, I'm hoping this will be fixed for 0.3, so all of this dirty fixes can be forgotten :).
[23:03] <norsetto> jazzva: yes, I hope too :-)
[23:04] <norsetto> jazzva: anyway, I don't get why the automake change was made, you say there is no ftbfs now, correct?
[23:05] <Jazzva> norsetto: You mean the removal of automake call from configure?
[23:05] <norsetto> jazzva: from rules
[23:05] <Jazzva> right.
[23:07] <LaserJock> norsetto: ok ack'd and I also added a bug watch for the Debian bug so we remember to make sure we get this fixed in Intrepid
[23:08] <norsetto> LaserJock: err, we will sync and then build with R 2.7.0
[23:08] <Jazzva> norsetto: afaik, this would produce new Makefile.in, which then produces an unusable applet. It builds, but it fails to start. I think that was the problem.
[23:09] <RainCT> good night
[23:10] <norsetto> night rainct
[23:11] <LaserJock> norsetto: we *assume* we'll sync ;-)
[23:13] <norsetto> LaserJock: its an autosync
[23:14] <azeem> persia: are you running pidgin?
[23:14] <LaserJock> norsetto: I know, I just don't trust it until I see it :-)
[23:14] <persia> azeem: Yes, why?
[23:15] <norsetto> laserjock: ok ... thx for your swift help btw
[23:15] <azeem> persia: you changed the /topic last, and it has a weird UTF8 char at the beginning
[23:15] <azeem> persia: looks like a pidgin feature/bug to me, I saw it with other pidgin people in other chans
[23:17] <persia> azeem: It's a 0-byte space, not shown in pidgin.  Comes from oddities in copy/paste.  Depending on various factors, there can be a few oddities transmitted.
[23:18] <persia> If you don't mind, please clean the topic :)
[23:18] <Jazzva> norsetto: Right, automake call doesn't produce any wrong change. It did before, since it made .am from unpatched .in. Anyway, it's not needed, as the .am file is provided by the upstream.
[23:18] <azeem> easier said than done, it freaks out my irssi/screen/terminal combination :)
[23:18] <laga> azeem: interesting. works fine for me (ubuntu dapper)
[23:19] <azeem> persia: well, it's just a matter of time till the next pidgin user changes it again
[23:20] <persia> azeem: Maybe.  On the other hand, last fall I did >80% of the topic changes, and didn't hit it.  It depends on how the copy & paste is done.  I'll check in a less robust display environment next time I change it.
[23:20] <norsetto> jazzva: ok, can you please mention this in the changelog? Also, the version number should be changed for an sru and it should be hardy-proposed not hardy
[23:21] <sebner> good night folks :)
[23:22] <Jazzva> norsetto: Sure thing. SRU version is XubuntuY.1?
[23:22] <norsetto> jazzva: yes
[23:29] <Kopfgeldjaeger> n8
[23:29] <Jazzva> norsetto: Done. Thanks for your help :).
[23:30] <norsetto> jazzva: de nada
[23:30] <norsetto> jazzva: glad to see you back ;-)
[23:30] <Jazzva> norsetto: glad to be back :)
[23:30] <Jazzva> *good
[23:36]  * norsetto goes to bed


[00:07] <Peddy> I unzipped a .jar file and I modified some .java files, how do I repackage the files? Thanks :)
[16:59] <mohbana> hello
[16:59] <mohbana> has anyone built icedtea or preferably openjdk?
[17:12] <mohbana> anyone around?
[17:38] <mohbana> hello?
[17:38] <mohbana> i really need help
[18:00] <doko> continuing on openjdk ...


[11:00] <kelunik> Morning. Is it possible to package tcl-tls 1.6.7 for Ubuntu 14.04 LTS as it's done for Ubuntu 16.04 LTS?
[11:00] <kelunik> The current version 1.6 doesn't have TLSv1.1 and TLSv1.2 support and thus weakens TLS sessions compared to the newer versions.
[12:35] <Rhonda> A backport for sure is possible - for regular update I'm unsure, though it might be acceped because it's a minor version change (hopefully just bugfixes?) and security relevant.  But neither is my personal call, just my thoughts on it.
[12:35] <Rhonda> Oh, kelunik not here anymore.  Darn, should use <nick><tab> before starting to write.
[14:36] <kelunik> Rhonda: SourceForge sucks for examining changes, but I think it has been SNI support, TLSv1.1, TLSv1.2 and some other bug fixes.
[14:36] <kelunik> Also it seems my previous message got lost, at least it's not in the logs.
[14:45] <Rhonda> kelunik: Thanks for reading the logs.  Makes me feel less silly to respond to people not online anymore. \o/
[14:53] <kelunik> I hate IRC for not having automatic logs within the clients.
[14:56] <kelunik> Rhonda: What's the way forward to ship that update?


[00:00] <zoredache> ok
[00:00] <Iskr> anyway
[00:01] <TheSheep> Iskr: you have pretty bad luck
[00:01] <Iskr> why?
[00:01] <zoredache> that is the eternal questio isn't it
[00:01] <TheSheep> Iskr: first aptitude, then you stumle on that i810 bug
[00:01] <Iskr> (how can i disable sound on login screen?)
[00:01] <Iskr> TheSheep, oh yes
[00:01] <Iskr> and you don't know
[00:02] <Iskr> all the other problems
[00:02] <TheSheep> Iskr: setings->login window settings
[00:02] <Iskr> during the installation
[00:02] <Iskr> then xfce has this nasty thing
[00:02] <Iskr> of setting windows not properly sized
[00:02] <TheSheep> Oo)
[00:02] <Iskr> have you ever noticed it?
[00:02] <Iskr> even if i maximize
[00:02] <TheSheep> no?
[00:03] <Iskr> it just doesn't seem to know how to stand on top of panel
[00:03] <TheSheep> try the margins in workspace and margins settings
[00:04] <Iskr> i'll try thanks
[00:04] <TheSheep> but it should never cover panels if they have 'fixed' position
[00:04] <Iskr> yes panel are fixed
[00:04] <Iskr> and it doesn't cover the panel
[00:04] <Iskr> is the panel that is up
[00:04] <TheSheep> that's good
[00:05] <Iskr> covering the window
[00:05] <TheSheep> that's no good
[00:05] <Iskr> it isn't
[00:06] <TheSheep> works for me :/
[00:06] <TheSheep> are you sure the top panel is fixed too?
[00:06] <Iskr> i have no top panel
[00:06] <Iskr> i removed it
[00:06] <Iskr> i have only the bottom one that is fixed
[00:06] <Iskr> anyway just for the record
[00:07] <Iskr> xfce seems to work quite well
[00:07] <Iskr> with a 128 mb ram system
[00:07] <TheSheep> ah, it's the eee
[00:08] <Iskr> now i'll tell you also what percentage of ram is required by the desktop environment alone
[00:08] <Iskr> The-Sheep?
[00:08] <Iskr> pardon
[00:08] <Iskr> TheSheep, ?
[00:08] <TheSheep> I was considering buing eee for some time
[00:08] <Iskr> eee=eeepc?
[00:08] <TheSheep> asus eee
[00:08] <TheSheep> no?
[00:08] <Iskr> no it isn't
[00:09] <Iskr> it's an acer travelmate
[00:09] <Iskr> 612t
[00:09] <TheSheep> ok
[00:09] <Iskr> tx
[00:09] <TheSheep> right, eee wouldn't use i810 :)
[00:09] <TheSheep> I thin I got you confused with Taza
[00:10] <Iskr> the desktop environment alone
[00:10] <Iskr> uses 40% of ram
[00:10] <Iskr> and 10% of swap
[00:10] <Taza> My Eee has 2gb of RAM btw. :P
[00:10] <TheSheep> Taza: just like the lappy I bought finally instead of eee :)
[00:10] <Taza> RAM is the only part that's both easily upgradeable and cheap
[00:11] <TheSheep> Taza: out of curiosity, I've heard that part of the eee's disk is read only?
[00:11] <TheSheep> Taza: is that true?
[00:11] <Taza> TheSheep: Depends on which model you get.
[00:12] <Taza> The SDHC card reader operates in read-only mode for some models.
[00:12] <Taza> The internal disk is always fully usable
[00:12] <Taza> And you can write the SDHC fine with an external reader
[00:13] <TheSheep> Taza: ah, great, I've heard somewhere that the system part was read only, so if you wanted to install your own system you had to do it at the cost of your home
[00:13] <Taza> TheSheep: No problem whatsoever as long as you wipe the disk first
[00:13] <TheSheep> I see
[00:13] <Taza> As in, repartition
[00:14] <TheSheep> Taza: isn't the screen too small? how about the keyboard?
[00:14] <Taza> The original partitions are like that but fdisk fixes that in ten seconds
[00:14] <Taza> The screen is a bit too small, the keyboard is just fine
[00:14] <TheSheep> I've read in Humane Interface that 9" is actually optimal for reading
[00:14] <Taza> It could be larger sure
[00:15] <TheSheep> ee is 7", I think
[00:15] <Taza> But I got one now because something better is always waiting behind the corner.
[00:15] <Iskr> is "add/remove" the same thing of synaptic?
[00:15] <Iskr> or it's another apt-get vs aptitude issue?
[00:15] <TheSheep> Iskr: yes, just with nicer descriptions and icons
[00:15] <TheSheep> Iskr: all ubuntu gui tools use synaptic
[00:16] <Iskr> thanks
[00:16] <Iskr> well i just can't believe
[00:17] <Iskr> that it installed gnome
[00:17] <Iskr> who told it to do that?
[00:17] <TheSheep> it probably had some gnome app in recommendations for something
[00:17] <TheSheep> be glad it's not kde
[00:17] <Iskr> well some gnome app
[00:17] <Iskr> not ALL GNOME
[00:18] <Iskr> i want xfce and it installs xfce AND gnome O.o
[00:18] <TheSheep> well, the app would depend on gnome ibs that would then have rest of gnome in recommendations...
[00:18] <Iskr> i see...
[00:19] <TheSheep> yay, starting xawtv crashes my X :D
[00:20] <Iskr> lol
[00:22] <Jimbo_> I just tried the 8.04 beta. I wish I had read up a bit more before hand because I dunno if the stuff that dont work is a bug or just something thats not gotten finsihed yet
[00:23] <TheSheep> Jimbo_: what doesn't work?
[00:23] <TheSheep> Jimbo_: it's a beta, everythin should work generally
[00:24] <Jimbo_> it wont mount my windows partitions like 7.10 did automatically
[00:25] <TheSheep> can you mount them manually?
[00:25] <Jimbo_> thunar wouldnt show any video thumbnails after i installed the codecs
[00:26] <Jimbo_> the windows partitions arent showing up at all, so i dont know how to go mount them, its not like they are on the desktop but not mounted
[00:27] <TheSheep> sounds like bugs
[00:31] <Jimbo_> that sucks
[00:31] <Jimbo_> is there nothing i should try to get them to show up?
[00:32] <danielm> Jimbo_, did you set the mount points at install?
[00:32] <TheSheep> !ntfs
[00:32] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubotu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE
[00:33] <Jimbo_> hehe well... im just running the livecd at the moment, if thats what you mean by install. Does that make a difference? :-P
[00:35] <Jimbo_> ooooh... I just ran Gparted and it made the partitions mount
[00:38] <Iskr> why can't i resize windows from the top?
[00:39] <TheSheep> Iskr: that's a feature, so that you can grab them for moving easier, can't be disabled
[00:39] <Iskr> yes but the margin thing didn't work
[00:39] <TheSheep> oh?
[00:39] <Iskr> so i have many windows which go down and down
[00:39] <Iskr> and i can't access some options
[00:39] <TheSheep> you can use keyboard shortcuts
[00:39] <Iskr> such as?
[00:39] <TheSheep> alt+ctrl+down for resizing vertically, I think
[00:40] <TheSheep> andalt+ctrl+up
[00:40] <Iskr> no
[00:40] <Iskr> it changes workspace
[00:40] <TheSheep> maybe there is also shift in there, you can check the shortcuts in the window manager settings
[00:40] <Iskr> yes
[00:40] <Iskr> i'll see
[00:40] <Iskr> thanks
[00:40] <TheSheep> I use different, can't remember the defaults
[00:43] <Iskr> it doesn't work
[00:43] <Iskr> it's like it can't be resized more
[00:44] <Iskr> it need all the space
[00:44] <TheSheep> Iskr: maybe fix the resolution first
[00:44] <Iskr> already tried
[00:44] <TheSheep> :/
[00:44] <Iskr> it seems that i must keep this
[00:44] <TheSheep> the i810 doesn't have its own video memory
[00:44] <TheSheep> it uses memory "borrowed" from your RAM
[00:44] <Iskr> yes
[00:45] <TheSheep> the amount of memory to borrow can be set in bios
[00:45] <TheSheep> try setting it to more
[00:45] <Iskr> i'll try
[00:45] <TheSheep> (windows drivers ignore that setting and override it, btw, that's why it works on windows)
[00:46] <Iskr> the margins thing really doesn't work
[00:46] <Iskr> by no means
[00:47] <TheSheep> can't say I can repeat your problems here
[00:47] <TheSheep> then again I use hardy and the 'intel' driver
[00:48] <Iskr> well do you know if there is a way to let the window go "up the screen"?
[00:48] <Iskr> it goes down left and right
[00:48] <Iskr> but not up
[00:49] <TheSheep> there isn't
[00:49] <Iskr> -.-
[00:50] <danielm> ...
[00:50] <TheSheep> you could set the virtual screen to be larger than the physical screen
[00:50] <TheSheep> then it will scroll
[02:54] <Gokee2_Office> I installed  lightning-extension but can`t find it anywhere in thunderbird.  How do I use it?  I am on Xubuntu 7.1
[03:20] <Gokee2_Office> I got .8 from mozilla and now it works
[03:20] <Gokee2_Office> Thanks for...  listening?  :)
[03:23] <Gokee2_Office> Hmm I guess its not working...  There are two bars one with the calender stuff and one with email folders
[05:07] <AlgorithmicContr> How do you restart XFCE desktop?
[05:08] <Gokee2_Office> Ctr+Alt+Backspace kills xorg
[05:09] <AlgorithmicContr> Gokee2_Office: I didn't ask for killing xserver
[05:09] <Gokee2_Office> AlgorithmicContr, So what did you want?
[05:10] <AlgorithmicContr> well, my Icons for XFCE disappeard, and Desktop background etc etc
[05:10] <Gokee2_Office> Logout/Login restarts XFCE (although I always use Ctr+Alt+Backspace.....)
[05:11] <Gokee2_Office> O you want just the desktop part?
[05:12] <Gokee2_Office> xfdesktop should do that
[05:12] <Gokee2_Office> So you might want "xfdesktop -reload"? :)
[05:13] <AlgorithmicContr> oh
[05:13] <AlgorithmicContr> maybe
[05:13] <AlgorithmicContr> Gokee2_Office: How do you do that for gnome?
[05:14] <Gokee2_Office> I don`t know, I use gnome as little as I can get away with :)
[06:06] <redwhitewaldo> which version of flash should i install. Firefox is giving me these 2 options: gnash and adobe.
[06:06] <redwhitewaldo> i'm on xubuntu 8.04beta
[06:22] <redwhitewaldo> how come firefox doesn't know what programs are the default file openers?
[06:23] <redwhitewaldo> (i'm on xubuntu8.04)
[07:47] <miggilin> Anyone there?
[08:19] <redwhitewaldo> where's everybody?
[08:20] <zoredache> asleep
[08:20] <zoredache> !night
[08:20] <ubotu> It's the middle of the night in the US and Europe, and surrounds.  This means that a lot of people are likely asleep, therefore there are less potential people who can answer your question.  Please be patient, and consider asking at a time when more people will be awake.  This is particularly true in the quieter channels.
[08:24] <miggilinme> Hello?
[08:24] <miggilinme> Anyone there?
[08:28] <jjjj5555> hi there
[08:28] <jjjj5555> what do I kneed to do to restart my whole soundsystem.... except rebooting ;-)
[08:44] <redwhitewaldo> what were those programs again like "workrave"
[08:44] <redwhitewaldo> ?
[08:52] <redwhitewaldo> i'm in xubuntu 8.04. what's that circular icon one "square" right to the upper left corner (on title bar)
[08:53] <ere4si> it's the help icon - click it and see
[08:56] <jjjj5555> workrave is a program that reminds you to take a break
[08:57] <ere4si> sorry - you were talking about the window titlebar - it adds the window to other desktops redwhitewaldo
[08:58] <redwhitewaldo> ere4si: i see. thank you!!!
[08:58] <ere4si> k
[10:16] <Dennis> hey there everybody ;-)
[10:16] <ere4si> !hi
[10:16] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu!
[10:16] <Dennis> thx
[10:16] <jjjj5555> hey
[10:16] <Dennis> is there someone here who can help me a bit with xubuntu and network configuration?
[10:17] <Dennis> i have a problem on a router with 7 network interfaces
[10:17] <ere4si> and what doesn't happen?
[10:18] <Dennis> well, to me it seems as if the assignment of ethX to the physical network card changes randomly with every reboot of the system
[10:19] <Dennis> as i said there are 7 network cards, however, only over one access to the internet is possible
[10:20] <Dennis> as i detected by try&error, i got internet by configuring eth2 - everything worked fine until next reboot
[10:20] <Dennis> after that reboot i did not have internet access anymore
[10:20] <ere4si> if you use dhcp then the first comp to boot gets the first address - try static ip addresses
[10:20] <Dennis> so again i did that try&error thing and ended up having internet access by configuring eth1
[10:21] <jjjj5555> can i drag and drop in xubuntu filemanager?
[10:21] <Dennis> i am not using dhcp, all network interfaces are configured staticly
[10:22] <ere4si> hmmm
[10:22] <ere4si> jjjj5555: yep
[10:24] <ere4si> Dennis: is it 7 network cards in one comp?
[10:25] <Dennis> ere4si, yes 7 cards in one computer
[10:26] <jjjj5555> thanks, cu all
[10:26] <ere4si> Dennis: how are the cards listed in /etc/hosts
[10:27] <Dennis> ere4si, not at all i guess (I'm not at that router right now) - do they have to be?
[10:28] <ere4si> Dennis: /etc/hosts is a file on the comp - it shows the connections allowed
[10:29] <slimjimflim> hi. my volume control button disappeared after the last update, and now i can't add a new one, anybody know the package name?
[10:29] <Dennis> isn't /etc/hosts just for local dns resolving?
[10:30] <Dennis> probably this might give you an idea, ere4si:
[10:30] <Dennis> root@Router:/etc/network# route -n
[10:30] <Dennis> Kernel IP routing table
[10:30] <Dennis> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[10:30] <Dennis> <IP_ADDRESS>        <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>   U     0      0        0 eth6
[10:30] <Dennis> <IP_ADDRESS>        <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>   U     0      0        0 eth0
[10:30] <Dennis> <IP_ADDRESS>     <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>     U     0      0        0 eth1
[10:30] <Dennis> <IP_ADDRESS>     <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>     U     1000   0        0 eth0
[10:31] <Dennis> <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>        <IP_ADDRESS>         UG    100    0        0 eth6
[10:31] <Dennis> <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>         U     1000   0        0 eth1
[10:31] <Dennis> ere4si this is not the latest output, but i always have to default routes at the end of the listing which seems weird to me...
[10:32] <ere4si> Dennis: 7 cards - one comp - is new to me - sorry
[10:35] <Dennis> ok ere4si, thanks anyways ;)
[10:38] <slimjimflim> also, my sound doesn't work on embedded flash, should i just reinstall the soundcard driver?
[10:48] <slimjimflim> anybody have issues w/ audio on flash movies not working after the last update?
[10:50] <Dennis> anybody here, who has experiences with several network cards in one computer?
[10:51] <slimjimflim> dennis, shoot
[10:52] <Dennis> hm?
[10:52] <slimjimflim> by shoot, i mean, ask me your question
[10:52] <Dennis> oh, ok :)
[10:53] <Dennis> seems like the assignment of ethX to the physical network cards is randomly changing with every reboot... could that be?
[10:53] <slimjimflim> hmm
[10:54] <Dennis> i have a router with 7 network cards, only one has internet access... i was able to get internet access by configuring eth2... after reboot i got internet access by configuring eth1
[10:54] <Dennis> weird, isn't it? ;-)
[10:54] <slimjimflim> yea
[10:54] <slimjimflim> did you try taking them all out but one?
[10:55] <slimjimflim> to see if it still does it?
[10:55] <Dennis> no i didn't...
[10:56] <slimjimflim> not sure if that'll help
[10:56] <Dennis> would be a hard work though as i'd have to get the computer out of the rack first
[10:56] <slimjimflim> yea
[10:57] <slimjimflim> that's a pretty tough question
[10:59] <slimjimflim> dennis, why don't you ask the friendly folks in ##linkux-coders
[10:59] <slimjimflim> i'm sure somebody knows
[10:59] <Dennis> i hat tried ubuntu first and did not have those problems there... however, ubuntu was real slow, even though the router has a 3Gz pentium 4 processor and 1 GB ram
[10:59] <Dennis> xubuntu was much faster... the boot-process as well as the gui
[11:00] <slimjimflim> definitely
[11:00] <Dennis> there is nobody in #linkux-coders, as well as in #linux-coders ;-)
[11:01] <slimjimflim> you need 2 #'s
[11:01] <slimjimflim> ##linux-coders
[11:03] <Dennis> oh thx... never seen that before...
[12:22] <bassinboy> why isn't apache in the repositories by default?
[12:24] <bassinboy> well it works via CLI
[12:25] <siggjen> apache2 is in the repository
[12:30] <bassinboy> why is it not searchable?
[12:31] <siggjen> «apt-cache search apache» give me lots of hits
[12:32] <bassinboy> just wonder via gui
[12:32] <siggjen> sorry, i never use the gui for installing packages
[12:33] <bassinboy> k, thanks
[15:28] <Iskr> i managed to reach 1024x768 \o/
[15:44] <TheSheep> Iskr: how?
[15:44] <Iskr> i told to xorg to use 16mb of ram for the video card
[15:45] <TheSheep> :)
[15:46] <Iskr> uhm
[15:46] <Iskr> it didn't go in suspension
[15:46] <Iskr> any idea?
[15:47] <TheSheep> it doesn't work on some hardware, but I don't know what could be tried to make it work
[15:47] <TheSheep> maybe forums...
[15:51] <Iskr> ok
[15:51] <Iskr> np
[15:53] <Iskr> (hybernate seems to work)
[19:25] <jarnos> Hello. I just installed Xubuntu Hardy Beta
[19:25] <j1mc> hi
[19:25] <jarnos> There was "Screens and Graphics" in Other menu.
[19:25] <j1mc> ok
[19:26] <jarnos> It disappeared.
[19:27] <j1mc> jarnos: would you mind filing a bug?
[19:27] <j1mc> do you have an account on launchpad?
[19:28] <jarnos> jlmc: I guess I could. I have reported some even today, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/~jarnos
[19:29] <j1mc> jarnos: thanks.  :)
[19:29] <j1mc> (i'm at a conference or else i would comment more)
[19:53] <Iskr> i think that the minimum requirements page should be modified
[19:53] <Iskr> on a pIII 900 mhz with 128 mb of ram (of which 16 to the video card) xfce run smoothly
[19:53] <Iskr> i also use firefox without any problem
[19:54] <Iskr> it has just to be installed with the alternate ubuntu cd
[19:59] <TheSheep> Iskr: ymmv
[19:59] <TheSheep> Iskr: especially when people use mostly firefox and office apps
[20:00] <Iskr> well but on the site is written "192 mb" as _minimum requirement
[20:00] <TheSheep> that's minimum for livecd
[20:00] <Iskr> no
[20:01] <Iskr> Once installed, Xubuntu can run with 192 MB RAM, but it is strongly recommended to have at least 256 MB RAM.
[20:01] <TheSheep> anyways, did you disable cups, bluetooth etc.?
[20:01] <Iskr> no
[20:01] <Iskr> i didn't disable anything
[20:01] <TheSheep> Iskr: because peole have been complaining about slowness when these specs were lover
[20:01] <TheSheep> lower
[20:02] <Iskr> i don't think it installed bluetooth module anyway
[20:02] <TheSheep> it probably depends also on exact drivers used
[20:02] <Iskr> at least write "can run with 128-192 MB RAM"
[20:02] <TheSheep> some video drivers are pretty memory hungry
[20:02] <Iskr> i went on trying icewm and fluxbox
[20:02] <TheSheep> well, it can run with 32MB ram, I did it
[20:03] <TheSheep> startup takes 45 minutes, but it runs
[20:03] <Iskr> well but you did additional configuration
[20:03] <TheSheep> no
[20:03] <Iskr> and startup took 45 minutes
[20:03] <Iskr> in this case
[20:03] <Iskr> startup takes 5 minutes =P
[20:03] <TheSheep> the question is where to put the border
[20:03] <Iskr> or so
[20:03] <TheSheep> 5 minutes seems to be too long by today standards
[20:03] <Iskr> when you write minimal requirements the border should be as lower as possible
[20:04] <TheSheep> Iskr: I don't agree
[20:04] <Iskr> there is always the reccomended requirement
[20:04] <Iskr> to be realistic
[20:04] <TheSheep> Iskr: we had a lot of disappointed people here when the specs were lower
[20:04] <Iskr> was it 128?
[20:04] <TheSheep> yes
[20:05] <Iskr> i wonder why these people were so disappointed...
[20:05] <Iskr> maybe they didn't reserve enough swap
[20:06] <TheSheep> because they got some old computers assembled from parts and went by the minimum to minimize costs
[20:06] <Iskr> well i'm still convinced that you should
[20:06] <Iskr> but do as you like
[20:06] <Iskr> =)
[20:06] <TheSheep> it's like "ok, I have 512MB of ram in old chips here, I can make 4 computers with xubuntu out of it"
[20:07] <TheSheep> it's not my decission :)
[20:07] <TheSheep> I'm just an user
[20:07] <nikolam> I used to use 32-bit Xubuntu 7.04 on P3-733 with 384 MB ram with no trouble at all.
[20:07] <TheSheep> but I agree with this decission
[20:07] <nikolam> after start and login, about 90MB`s would be used
[20:07] <Iskr> well 384 mb are a whole lot
[20:07] <nikolam> That us the reason for 128Mb minimum
[20:07] <TheSheep> nikolam: yeah, above te 256MB limit there seem to be no problems
[20:08] <nikolam> I think that 256Mb is also plenty of space
[20:08] <TheSheep> with 192MB you sometimes get no panels at startup
[20:08] <Iskr> panels?
[20:08] <nikolam> and 192 should work
[20:08] <TheSheep> Iskr: the thing that xfce4-panel displays
[20:08] <Iskr> yes
[20:08] <Iskr> but it's weird
[20:09] <Iskr> you are making me dubitate if i actually have 128 mb...
[20:09] <Iskr> but i have
[20:09] <Iskr> i checked it twice
[20:09] <TheSheep> I have 2GB and the system takes 70MB just after startup
[20:09] <Iskr> the funny thing is that this "To run the Desktop CD (LiveCD + Install CD), you need 128 MB RAM to run" is not true to me
[20:10] <Iskr> livecd didn't run
[20:10] <nikolam> fastest desktop linux i heard of , that includes xfce as default environment is Zenwalk.
[20:10] <TheSheep> Iskr: it says 128? that's wrong
[20:10] <TheSheep> Iskr: maybe the figures are swapped?
[20:10] <Iskr> eheh
[20:10] <Iskr> maybe
[20:10] <nikolam> Xubuntu is nice thing and I think it is worth
[20:10] <Iskr> someone should modify those information
[20:11] <TheSheep> maxamillion: you have access to the site?
[20:11] <nikolam> Maybe you are running 8.04 Beta?
[20:11] <Iskr> nono
[20:12] <nikolam> what graphics driver do you use, what graphics?
[20:12] <maxamillion> TheSheep: yeah
[20:12] <maxamillion> TheSheep: i thought you did too
[20:12] <Iskr> nikolam, i don't know =)
[20:12] <TheSheep> Iskr: ah, no, it's ok, it says 192MB to install
[20:12] <Iskr> yes
[20:12] <Iskr> but 128 to run
[20:12] <Iskr> and it didn't work for me
[20:12] <TheSheep> Iskr: I did run it on 128MB :/
[20:12] <nikolam> lspci
[20:12] <Iskr> eheh
[20:12] <TheSheep> Iskr: again, YMMV
[20:12] <Iskr> yes
[20:13] <TheSheep> nikolam: PCI not found, Abort, Retry, Ignore?
[20:13] <nikolam> Maybe your graphics card took some ram from your main 128mb
[20:13] <nikolam> The-Kernel, LOL :))))
[20:13] <Iskr> nikolam well it takes ram now
[20:13] <nikolam> TheSheep, :))
[20:13] <nikolam> sorry
[20:13] <Iskr> 16 mb
[20:14] <nikolam> well, try to install from Alternate CD.
[20:14] <TheSheep> Iskr: the deal is this: we set the specs too high and we lose some people with old hardware who will go install different distro instead
[20:14] <Iskr> nikolam, you didn't understand
[20:14] <TheSheep> Iskr: we set the specs too low and we get some disappointed people who will badmouth xubuntu
[20:14] <nikolam> Alternate CD install could be done even from 64MB machine
[20:14] <Iskr> nikolam, i actually installed from alternate cd
[20:14] <Iskr> and it works _very_ fine
[20:14] <Iskr> so i was suggesting
[20:14] <nikolam> 7.10 xubuntu 32-bit?
[20:14] <Iskr> yes
[20:14] <nikolam> aha..
[20:15] <Iskr> i was suggesting to lower minimum requirements
[20:15] <nikolam> I don`t think that is good idea
[20:15] <TheSheep> Iskr: people tend to be "optimistic" :)
[20:15] <nikolam> people will use slower machines anyway
[20:15] <Iskr> eheh i am not optimistic
[20:16] <Iskr> as i said before i first installed icewm and fluxbox
[20:16] <Iskr> then as i didn't cope well with them
[20:16] <TheSheep> Iskr: if we give high specs, and people will try it on lower anyways, and it's slow, they will say "ok, I guess it's slow because of the hardware"
[20:18] <Iskr> anyway i'll stay here
[20:18] <Iskr> to give all the people who will ask
[20:18] <Iskr> the advice to install xubuntu on 128 mb ram boxes =P
[20:19] <Iskr> it's really a shame that the livecd cannot be used to perform a simple installation
[20:19] <Iskr> it's particularly valid for xubuntu
[20:20] <Iskr> that you all know that is often used in low mem machines
[20:46] <The-Kernel> Why does that always happen to me
[21:49] <Chawson> omg.. i figured out how to use windows live messenger on xubuntu!
[21:51] <Chawson> does any1 want me to explain how to do it?
[21:52] <crimsun> it'd be better documented on a wiki page.
[21:52] <Chawson> i didnt ask where would it be better documented sorry, i asked would anyone like advice?
[22:54] <mnemoc> hi, there is any firefox plugin (at 8.04) that fakes windows media player? (autodetection on sites)
[22:54] <mnemoc> vlc didn't :\
[22:54] <siggjen> you might try mplayer
[22:54] <mnemoc> thanks
[22:59] <Rorschach> I've got a problem with my external hard drive. It's a 500 gig SimpleDrive, but when I finally managed to mount it in Linux, it only gives me 1.3 gigs to work with.
[22:59] <Rorschach> Any idea what the problem is?
[23:02] <mnemoc> Rorschach: how is it partitioned?
[23:09] <Rorschach> mnemoc: it's NTFS
[23:09] <Rorschach> I mounted it with NTFS-3g
[23:30] <Rorschach> More external harddrive problems. I have trouble mounting it with ntfs-3g, and when I do manage to mount it, it only lets me use 1.3 gigs out of 500 gigs
[23:32] <mnemoc> Rorschach: see what `disktype` say about your disk
[23:33] <Rorschach> menmoc: 'disktype' doesn't work. Command not found
[23:54] <patoe1> hey
[23:54] <patoe1> i just installed Teamspeak 2 and i dont know how to open it
[23:57] <ere4si> patoe1: try this - http://www.goteamspeak.com/?page=getstarted


[00:46] <Fallenou> ubiquity does segfault on lucid amd64 desktop daily-live iso image , at the last summary window
[00:48] <Fallenou>  Feb  6 01:38:21 ubuntu kernel: [  500.847290] ubiquity[12571]: segfault at 7f64b29e3840 ip 00007f64c63d1d64 sp 00007fff67769140 error 4 in libglib-2.0.s     o.0.2302.0[7f64c6392000+c9000]
[00:51] <cjwatson> if ubiquity segfaults then it is a bug in some other piece of software
[00:52] <cjwatson> ubiquity is pure-python
[00:54] <Fallenou> i found the bug in launchpad
[00:54] <Fallenou> i'm subscribing to it and i'm posting my logs
[00:54] <Fallenou> it seems to only affect me and 2 other people
[00:54] <Fallenou> or maybe there are duplicates of this bug
[00:55] <cjwatson> argh
[00:55] <cjwatson> don't do that
[00:55] <cjwatson> do not *ever* piggyback on somebody else's crash bug
[00:55] <cjwatson> it's a bug that Launchpad semi-encourages you to do that
[00:56] <Fallenou> oops
[00:56] <Fallenou> what do you mean by piggyback ?
[00:56] <cjwatson> 00:54 <Fallenou> i'm subscribing to it and i'm posting my logs
[00:56] <Fallenou> what should i do ?
[00:57] <cjwatson> the result of people doing this is that developers give up on that bug because it is now composed of several people's unrelated problems
[00:57] <cjwatson> file a new bug
[00:57] <Fallenou> ok
[00:57] <Fallenou> and i mark it as a duplicate ?
[00:57] <cjwatson> no, why would you do that?
[00:57] <cjwatson> that is for a developer to determine
[00:57] <Fallenou> because it's the same bug
[00:57] <cjwatson> it is not in general possible for a user to determine that
[00:57] <cjwatson> you have the same symptoms
[00:58] <cjwatson> what steps have you taken to prove that it is the same cause?
[00:58] <Fallenou> i have exactly the same symptoms, same log message, and a segfault from glibc
[00:58] <Fallenou> and it's in the same software (ubiquity)
[00:58] <cjwatson> in other words, you havenm't proven anything :)
[00:58] <cjwatson> a segfault can occur for all kinds of reasons
[00:58] <cjwatson> and the log message says little more than that it's a segfault somewhere in a large library
[00:59] <Fallenou> yes sure but you must agree that here the probability that it's the same bug are really high
[00:59] <cjwatson> no, I mustn't
[00:59] <cjwatson> if you think it's the same bug, just don't file it
[00:59] <cjwatson> that's fine, I don't really mind.  but I do mind when people jump into an existing bug, because that does actually cause problems, even when they're well-intentioned
[01:00] <Fallenou> ok sorry
[01:00] <CIA-6> ubiquity: evand * r3725 plugins-conversion/ (9 files in 5 dirs): Initial plugin conversion work on partman and summary.
[01:00] <Fallenou> i posted my comment, i read you on irc too late, and i don't think i can remove my comment
[01:00] <cjwatson> I'm not saying you're deliberately causing a problem here, but I have years of experience in disentangling bugs full of multiple people who think they have the same bug and turn out to be wrong, and I want to discourage people from doing this
[01:00] <Fallenou> yes i fully understand your concern
[01:01] <Fallenou> i'm sorry
[01:01] <cjwatson> ok
[01:01] <Fallenou> i'm gonna fill a new bug
[01:01] <Fallenou> and if some developper thinks it's related, he's gonna mark it as duplicate
[01:02] <cjwatson> one of these days I'll convince the Launchpad people to encourage this behaviour too. :)
[01:03] <StevenK> Haha, good luck
[01:13] <CIA-6> ubiquity: evand * r3726 plugins-conversion/ubiquity/ (components/ubi-usersetup.py frontend/gtk_ui.py):
[01:13] <CIA-6> ubiquity: * Properly call hostname_error.
[01:13] <CIA-6> ubiquity: * Remove dead process_identification code from gtk_ui.
[01:15] <Fallenou> launchpad sucks so hard
[01:15] <Fallenou> it failed to register the new bug
[01:19] <Fallenou> ok it failed again ...
[01:19] <Fallenou> (Error ID: OOPS-1498L141)
[01:19] <Fallenou> great
[01:22] <Fallenou> good night
[01:30] <CIA-6> ubiquity: evand * r3727 plugins-conversion/ubiquity/components/ubi-partman.py: Wrap partman gtk_ui initialization so it doesn't crash ubiquity on error.
[11:26] <anthony71> hello
[11:26] <anthony71> need some help
[11:26] <anthony71> is there some one to help
[17:32] <CIA-6> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3743 ubiquity/ (bin/ubiquity debian/changelog):
[17:32] <CIA-6> ubiquity: In cdebconf mode, initialise the templates database if necessary as a
[17:32] <CIA-6> ubiquity: workaround for cdebconf's packaging not doing this itself.
[20:21] <Sayge> I have been having an issue with the 64 bit install that I do not with the 32 bit staller, was wondering if this is the place to go to bounce around ideas of what the issue could be.


[09:45] <manofire> hello everybody
[09:46] <manofire> satellit_: ping
[10:27] <grantbow> hello manofire
[10:27] <grantbow> oops, missed him
[15:06] <satellit_> grantbow: hi  how is your project going?
[15:09] <satellit_> take a look at latest soas-coconut...http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Fedora-SoaS#Soas-v5-Coconut
[15:14] <grantbow> satellit_ cool.  Did you see that Ubuntu 11.10 was released a couple hours ago?
[15:14] <satellit_> no more "classic gnome" :  (
[15:15] <satellit_> I will lookat it later to see if sugar-desktop is still working
[15:15] <grantbow> I need to play with it to see what is and isn't there by default and such.
[15:15] <satellit_> hi grant
[15:15] <grantbow> I'm traveling in Nairobi, Kenya right now so I'm a little busy. I hope to bring together an OLPC summit with the 11 deployments here.
[15:15] <satellit_> browse -surf support is essential in any sugar
[15:16] <grantbow> good
[15:16] <satellit_> wow...nice  good for you
[15:16] <grantbow> Sameer Verma and I were talking about Sugar on Ubuntu for some schools in SF when it's ready adn stable.
[15:17] <grantbow> Sameer is the leader of olpcsf.org with others - conference is coming up soon this month.
[15:17] <grantbow> in SF - I won't be able to attend.
[15:17] <satellit_> alsroot is the key to getting it working.....
[15:17] <satellit_> 088 version has working browser I hear
[15:18] <grantbow> good to hear
[15:18] <grantbow> more on my current work is linked from http://www.grantbow.com/dreamfish.html
[15:19] <satellit_> pbrobinson fixed surf in f15  soas final http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Fedora-SoaS#Soas-v5-Coconut  take a look
[15:19] <grantbow> cool
[15:19] <grantbow> I'm looking at it now already
[15:19] <satellit_> the dd image file is fun for a 2 GB USB
[15:20] <grantbow> ok, I'll download it after I get the 12.04 Ubuntu bits today.
[15:21] <satellit_> neat site will look at it later.....
[15:23] <satellit_> have to go...keep up the good work!
[15:28] <grantbow> ty - you too!
[15:28] <grantbow> ttyl dinner is ready here too.
[15:41]  * satellit_ breakfast in Bend Oregon....