[02:43] <jdmcancer> Hello
[02:44] <jdmcancer> Is anyone here to help me?
[02:44] <holstein> !ask | jdmcancer
[02:44] <ubot2> jdmcancer: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[02:45] <jdmcancer> OK
[02:48] <jdmcancer> My problem is with my monitor and I think it is software related and not hardware because I turned on my computer and my monitor was working and then I installed todays updates and restarted the computer and it was working until it finished booting and then it displayed a message saying out of range
[02:49] <jdmcancer> I'm on my computer hooked up to a different monitor now
[02:49] <holstein> maybe... try booting an older kernel.. the last one that worked
[02:50] <jdmcancer> I did and got the same result
[02:50] <holstein> set the resolution right now to something more generic and try plugging the other monitor back in
[02:52] <jdmcancer> I went into the monitor settings and hit reset and still the same results. Is there a way for someone to check the settings from linux regarding the monitor?
[02:53] <holstein> jdmcancer: you need to check what the monitor supports
[02:53] <holstein> jdmcancer: try setting to something more generic, and plug the monitor in... dont just hit 'reset'.. set to 800x600
[02:53] <holstein> something that will work everywhere
[02:54] <holstein> i see those messages when the card is sending information that the monitor cant deal with
[02:54] <holstein> you could have windows, and see that message just as well
[02:54] <jdmcancer> I'm not very technical with caomputers, what should I do as far as the settings?
[02:57] <jdmcancer> The monitor is a couple of years old but I do not believe it is hardware because it was working before I installed the updates and rebooted the computer
[03:01] <holstein> jdmcancer: its a software setting correct
[03:02] <holstein> i would literally just set it to exactly what i suggested... 800x600.. something generic
[03:03] <jdmcancer> OK thanks
[13:08] <JDMcQ1> Question: 10.04LTS won't let me add a Gateway through GUI. Keeps resetting it to <IP_ADDRESS> What's with that?
[13:13] <sattu94> JDMcQ1: press enter, after you have entered it.
[13:17] <JDMcQ1> sattu94: I think I'm losing it! That worked! duh! But for some reason that machine still won't give me internet access. Other machines work no problem (11.10)
[13:18] <sattu94> JDMcQ1: try disabling and re-enabling the connection.
[13:18] <sattu94> Click on it in the network connections drop down menu.
[13:20] <geirha> How does «route -n» look?
[13:26] <JDMcQ1> No luck, This is a laptop and has both wireless and hardwired. Both seem OK If I disconnect eth0 wlan0 picks right up but without Internet can ping at will
[13:28] <jemoh> hey I have a little problem. Am writing pygtk code using vim and here it is :
[13:28] <jemoh> #!/usr/bin/env/ python
[13:28] <jemoh> import pygtk
[13:28] <jemoh> pygtk.require('2.0')
[13:28] <jemoh> import gtk
[13:28] <jemoh> class Base:
[13:28] <jemoh>     def destrpy(self,widget,data=none):
[13:28] <jemoh>         gtk.main_quit()
[13:28] <jemoh>     def __init__(self):
[13:28] <jemoh>         self.window = gtk.Window(gtk.WINDOW_TOPLEVEL)
[13:28] <jemoh>         self.window.show()
[13:28] <jemoh>         self.window.connect("destroy", self.destroy)
[13:28] <jemoh> i
[13:28] <jemoh>     def main(self):
[13:28] <jemoh>         gtk.main()
[13:28] <jemoh> if __name__ == "__main__"
[13:28] <jemoh>      base = Base()
[13:28] <jemoh>      base.main()
[13:28] <jemoh> Now when I try to execute it using chmod+x window.py
[13:29] <jemoh> This is what I get:
[13:29] <jemoh> jemoh@Hiuhu:~$ ./window.py
[13:29] <jemoh> bash: ./window.py: /usr/bin/env/: bad interpreter: Not a directory
[13:30] <jemoh> Someone pliz tell me why am getting this error
[13:53] <Snicksie> jemoh, you have a space between #!/usr/bin/env and 'python', I guess you need to remove that space? :)
[13:55] <jemoh> Av tried it but I still get the same error
[13:55] <jemoh> What else could be the problem ?
[14:08] <holstein> jemoh: i would look at the "not a directory" error
[14:10] <jemoh> sorry but how can look in to it ?
[14:11] <holstein> jemoh: that error says to me you have something reffering to a directory that doesnt exist
[14:11] <holstein> is there a /usr/bin/env ?
[14:13] <holstein> maybe try #python
[14:13] <philinux> holstein: Yes env is a file in /usr/bin
[14:13] <jemoh> No there isn't but I did exactly what a certain pygtk tutorial video suggested and on the video, the instructors code ran okay
[14:14] <holstein> jemoh: why dont you pastebin what you pasted here earlier before philinux got here
[14:15] <holstein> !paste | jemoh
[14:15] <ubot2> jemoh: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[14:15] <jemoh> Ok lemmi do it
[14:19] <bdfhjk> Hello
[14:19] <bdfhjk> Nice to see You again after a long break
[14:20] <bdfhjk> Do You know any Ubuntu hosting service for online judge?
[14:20] <bdfhjk> which will be used to organize algorithm classes?
[14:50] <jemoh> here is the link :
[14:50] <jemoh> http://pastebin.com/WpynceXk
[14:50] <jemoh> Plz help
[14:54] <bdfhjk> #!/usr/bin/env/ python
[14:55] <bdfhjk> remove space :-)
[15:03] <geirha> No, remove the last /
[15:04] <geirha> As interpreter, you want /usr/bin/env with python as argument.
[22:36] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Ok, we can help you over here :)
[22:36] <JoseeAntonioR> !ask
[22:36] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[22:37] <lsht> resolution of my monitor dell xps 17
[22:38] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Ok, what's the problem with your resolution?
[22:38] <lsht> first i tried to set it up from system...monitor but failed, than tried to install
[22:38] <lsht> nvidia driver 173
[22:39] <JoseeAntonioR> Can we run some commands, to check some things?
[22:39] <lsht> from Synaptic
[22:39] <lsht> of course
[22:39] <JoseeAntonioR> Ok. Please, open a Terminal (using Ctrl+Alt+T) and type/paste this command:
[22:39] <JoseeAntonioR> sudo lshw -C display; lsb_release -a; uname -a
[22:39] <JoseeAntonioR> Then, give us the output in a pastebin.
[22:39] <JoseeAntonioR> !pastebin
[22:39] <ubot2> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[22:41] <lsht> *-display UNCLAIMED             description: VGA compatible controller        product: nVidia Corporation        vendor: nVidia Corporation        physical id: 0        bus info: pci@0000:02:00.0        version: a1        width: 64 bits        clock: 33MHz        capabilities: pm msi pciexpress cap_list        configuration: latency=0        resources: memory:c8000000-c8ffffff memory:d0000000-dfffffff(prefetchable) memory:cc
[22:41] <lsht> is it ok?
[22:42] <JoseeAntonioR> Yes :)
[22:42] <JoseeAntonioR> This seems to be a common problem we've had with Intel chipsets. Maybe this is the same, let's try with some steps...
[22:42] <lsht> my default resolution should be 1600x900 how to make it?
[22:43] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: One second, please.
[22:43] <JoseeAntonioR> May I have your monitor's brand and moedl?
[22:44] <lsht> the integrated monitor of laptop dell xps 17  701x
[22:44] <JoseeAntonioR> Oh, yes, of course. I forgot about it.
[22:44] <JoseeAntonioR> Just give me one second while I find some values for it.
[22:45] <lsht> ok, when I go to monitor - unrecognised or something like this....resolution 800x 600
[22:45] <JoseeAntonioR> Yes, same problem I had some months ago :)
[22:46] <JoseeAntonioR> Let's issue some commands while I find the values.
[22:46] <JoseeAntonioR> Please, in the Terminal, type "sudo X -configure :1"
[22:46] <lsht> and when i tried this with drivers... now comes first message, that somethin is wthout driver and than
[22:47] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Please, issue the command I gave you before. Tell me when it's finished, don't give me the output.
[22:47] <lsht> ok,
[22:47] <lsht> comes closing log?
[22:48] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Yes. Now, let's issue another command.
[22:48] <JoseeAntonioR> gksu gedit xorg.conf.new
[22:48] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: The command in the line above this one should open a Text Editor
[22:49] <JoseeAntonioR> We will be working on it, so don't close it.
[22:49] <lsht> yes
[22:49] <lsht> ok
[22:50] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Ok. Once it has opened, search for the Monitor section. There are 3 monitor sections, one which is Monitor0, right?
[22:50] <lsht> ok
[22:51] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: I mean, what I told you is right? Please check for it
[22:51] <lsht> Section "Monitor" 	Identifier   "Monitor0" 	VendorName   "Monitor Vendor" 	ModelName    "Monitor Model"
[22:52] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Please, don't paste things here. Just answer the questions, because this channel is publicly logged.
[22:52] <lsht> ok
[22:53] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Ok, after Monitor Model, there should be an EndSection line. Before that section, add this two lines:
[22:53] <JoseeAntonioR> HorizSync 67.5 - 137.2
[22:53] <JoseeAntonioR> VertRefresh 60.0 - 120.0
[22:54] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Add them just before EndSection and after ModelName
[22:56] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Did you add them?
[22:57] <lsht> moment
[22:57] <lsht> new row for every line?
[22:58] <lsht> yes
[22:58] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Yes, a new row for every line.
[22:58] <lsht> ok
[22:58] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Once you're finished, please save the file, and if you want me to check it put it into a pastebin.
[22:59] <JoseeAntonioR> !pastebin | lsht
[22:59] <ubot2> lsht: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[22:59] <matt_> help, i cant get ubuntu installed on my computer
[22:59] <lsht> !pastebin | lsht Section "ServerLayout" 	Identifier     "X.org Configured" 	Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0 	InputDevice    "Mouse0" "CorePointer" 	InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection  Section "Files" 	ModulePath   "/usr/lib/xorg/modules" 	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" 	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" 	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled" 	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/X
[22:59] <ubot2> lsht Section "ServerLayout" 	Identifier     "X.org Configured" 	Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0 	InputDevice    "Mouse0" "CorePointer" 	InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection  Section "Files" 	ModulePath   "/usr/lib/xorg/modules" 	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" 	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" 	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled" 	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/X: For posting multi-line
[23:00] <lsht> is so ok?
[23:00] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Please, read the instructions.
[23:00] <JoseeAntonioR> No, it's not ok.
[23:00] <JoseeAntonioR> *Read* the instructions.
[23:00] <JoseeAntonioR> !pastebin
[23:00] <JoseeAntonioR> !pastebin
[23:00] <ubot2> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[23:00] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: ^^^
[23:00] <matt_> so can anyone help me
[23:00] <lsht> ok
[23:01] <JoseeAntonioR> !ask | matt
[23:01] <ubot2> matt: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[23:02] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Do you have the link for the paste?
[23:02] <matt_> well everytime i try to install it i cant because it wont run. when i finish installing it just brings me to a purple screen with options like run linux. recovery mode and when i clikc run it just goes to a black screen
[23:02] <lsht> i used paste.ubunto.com how can i give you securely the url?
[23:02] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Just give it to me. That is public, and doesn't mean any risk for your PC.
[23:02] <JoseeAntonioR> We can't access your PC directly.
[23:03] <JoseeAntonioR> matt_: Are you in Ubuntu right now?
[23:03] <lsht> ?
[23:03] <lsht> http://paste.ubuntu.com/913824/
[23:03] <matt_> i cant even get on. im on my desktop and its my laptop and i have tried to install it twicxe, both with the same problem
[23:03] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Ok. Please, save and close the file.
[23:03] <lsht> done
[23:03] <JoseeAntonioR> matt_: Have you MD5 checked the ISO you downloaded?
[23:04] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Ok. Now, I need you to issue this command: "sudo mv xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[23:04] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: That will move the file to its correct position
[23:04] <matt_> i dont think so, i got the disc from my friend who has ubuntu and he just gave me the disk he used
[23:05] <JoseeAntonioR> matt_: I think you should try downloading an ISO, then you can burn it into a CD or make a LiveUSB with it. www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download
[23:05] <lsht> i dont know if i typed it wright can i do it one more time?
[23:05] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Yes.
[23:05] <matt_> ive done that on the usb the first time and it didnt work
[23:05] <JoseeAntonioR> matt_: Did you MD5 the ISO? Maybe you got a corrupted iso.
[23:06] <lsht> no such file or directory
[23:06] <lsht> ?
[23:06] <JoseeAntonioR> matt_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[23:06] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Then you moved it correctly.
[23:06] <matt_> my friend installed linux yesterday and i used the same disc he does
[23:06] <lsht> ok
[23:06] <matt_> actually, when i try to installe like 10 minutes in i get a error saying something about /deb/sev or something like that
[23:06] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: You can press the up key to check the last commands you issued, in order. If you want to, you can check you typed it right before we move on.
[23:07] <JoseeAntonioR> matt_: Do you know what is the version of that Ubuntu CD?
[23:07] <lsht> ok
[23:07] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Was it OK?
[23:08] <lsht> lsht: Then you moved it correctly.
[23:09] <lsht> yes there is no such file or directory if i get it wright
[23:09] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Just wanted to check, because you might have moved it with another name
[23:09] <lsht> should be positive answer
[23:09] <JoseeAntonioR> Just to ckeck
[23:09] <lsht> i copied the command from chat
[23:10] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: If you copied it, then it's right. Now, please close the Terminal.
[23:10] <lsht> closed
[23:11] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Please copy this command into a paper: "sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[23:12] <lsht> is it two ii -s after X?
[23:12] <lsht> or two ll-s
[23:12] <Unit193> X one one.
[23:12] <lsht> ok
[23:13] <Unit193> What are you trying to do, JoseeAntonioR?
[23:13] <JoseeAntonioR> Unit193: That generates a new xorg.conf with the HorizSync and VertRefresh values of the monitor, to get resolution.
[23:14] <JoseeAntonioR> Unit193: If at the end the command doesn't work, then the person can use the command I last gave to remove the xorg.conf and get back to "normal"
[23:14] <lsht> i saw a theme about a similar configuration  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10406422
[23:14] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Please, reboot the PC. If it works, then you will be able to change the resolution. If not, and you cannot see anything, boot into text mode, and issue that command. I will be waiting for you here
[23:15] <lsht> ok,
[23:15] <lsht> rebooting
[23:17] <JoseeAntonioR> Unit193: That was the first problem I solved, had it with my old PC.
[23:19] <lsht> hey again
[23:19] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Hello! Did it work?
[23:19] <lsht> i have the same resolution
[23:19] <lsht> as before
[23:20] <JoseeAntonioR> Aren't you able to change it?
[23:20] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: ^^
[23:20] <lsht> You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver.  Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.
[23:21] <JoseeAntonioR> Ok, then open a Terminal and run "sudo nvidia-xconfig" without quotes, and then reboot again. That should make it
[23:22] <lsht> i run the command
[23:22] <lsht> now restart?
[23:23] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Yep :)
[23:30] <lsht> hey
[23:30] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Hello! How is it?
[23:30] <lsht> first i get error message
[23:31] <lsht> after reboot
[23:31] <lsht> (EE) NVIDIA (0)
[23:31] <lsht> :
[23:31] <JoseeAntonioR> !enter
[23:31] <ubot2> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line. Don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[23:31] <JoseeAntonioR> !pastebin
[23:31] <ubot2> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[23:31] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: ^^^
[23:31] <lsht> Failed to initialize the GLX module;
[23:31] <lsht> please
[23:31] <lsht> check your x
[23:32] <lsht> aaa
[23:32] <lsht> i had to write it somewhere first
[23:34] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: So, you figured out how to solve the last issue?
[23:35] <lsht> which one exactly? I have had only one issue - resolution?
[23:37] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: You said you had to write it somewhere fist
[23:40] <lsht> moment
[23:40] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Ok.
[23:40] <lsht> ok, first comes this
[23:40] <lsht> http://paste.ubuntu.com/913861/
[23:41] <lsht> than I give ok
[23:41] <lsht> and than comes to 5 options, and I choose continue low resolution
[23:41] <lsht> and everithing is as before
[23:42] <lsht> other options were repair and some other things
[23:42] <lsht> repair step by step
[23:42] <lsht> two reboots two times one and the same
[23:42] <JoseeAntonioR> I think you should try with Repair, and if that doesn't work then remove the file with the command I gave you.
[23:42] <JoseeAntonioR> I would suggest removing the file right now.
[23:43] <lsht> In the last paste is about the driver
[23:43] <lsht> how can I upgrade to the 295 driver on Nvidia page?
[23:43] <lsht> I downloaded the run file, and than?
[23:44] <JoseeAntonioR> Do you have the link to the webpage so I can check it out?
[23:44] <lsht> this driver is not in Synaptic?
[23:44] <lsht> the link was in the theme in forum i mentioned
[23:44] <lsht> moment
[23:45] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Well, you should open the Update Manager to see if there are any updates.
[23:45] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Have you checked if there are any additional drivers to be installed?
[23:45] <lsht> http://www.nvidia.de/object/linux-display-amd64-295.33-driver-de.html
[23:45] <lsht> how
[23:45] <lsht> ?
[23:46] <JoseeAntonioR> Which version of Ubuntu are you running?
[23:46] <lsht> 10
[23:47] <lsht> 10.04 LTS
[23:47] <lsht>  i just check in Synaptic but the latest ist 185
[23:48] <lsht> driver
[23:48] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: It is because you are running Ubuntu 10.04.
[23:48] <lsht> ow can i manualy download driver from nvidia page and than install it
[23:48] <lsht> ?
[23:49] <lsht> should i install another version?
[23:49] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Well, you will not be able to install it because of the Kernel.
[23:49] <lsht> ouch
[23:49] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: What I should recommend is installing another Ubuntu version, maybe 10.10, then 11.04, and finally 11.10
[23:50] <lsht> i have the installation near my original windows 7
[23:51] <lsht> what should i do exactly?
[23:51] <lsht> not to damage everything?
[23:51] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Do you have many important documents in Ubuntu?
[23:51] <lsht> i mean beside
[23:51] <lsht> no
[23:51] <lsht> nothing
[23:52] <lsht> important some films etc.
[23:52] <lsht> the installation is from 1 week
[23:53] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Well, then I recommend doing a fresh install of Ubuntu 11.10, so then you can upgrade to 12.04 LTS.
[23:53] <lsht> The problem should be not to damage tthe Windows
[23:53] <JoseeAntonioR> Doing a fresh install means to format just the Ubuntu partition. You should select it manually. It won't damage Windows in any way
[23:53] <lsht> that is beside the  linux
[23:54] <lsht> is 12.04 LTS already available?
[23:54] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: No, it will be available in 23 days.
[23:55] <lsht> so for the install - with dvd and etc.?
[23:56] <lsht> what will hapen when i eraze the current 'boot loading' or what the name is
[23:56] <lsht> now I have dual boot system?
[23:57] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: If you do a fresh install of Ubuntu, you will still have the two systems.
[23:57] <lsht> will the next clean linux install erase or some how damage my windows?
[23:58] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: No, as I told you.
[23:58] <lsht> and i don't need to install windows one more time
[23:58] <lsht> ok
[23:58] <lsht> by the way
[23:58] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: No, just don't choose to install in the entire Hard Drive.
[23:58] <JoseeAntonioR> lsht: Tell me.
[23:59] <lsht> i made the install 'inside windows' should this be ok too?


[00:09] <ScottK> ajmitch: No, just saw a reference to it.
[00:10] <ScottK> micahg: AIUI askubuntu covers Kubuntu too.
[00:10] <ScottK> (not that I use it either way)
[00:24] <Resistance> ScottK:  AskUbuntu does cover Kubuntu
[00:24] <Resistance> it also covers the other official derivatives
[00:24] <Resistance> Xubuntu, Lubuntu, etc.
[02:37] <micahg> ScottK: re askubuntu> indeed it does, I was making a joke :)
[03:30] <ScottK> OK.
[03:32] <Resistance> hmm...
[03:32] <Resistance> anyone know how much of a hassle it'd be to backport dpkg from a newer distribution to lucid in order to fulfill a build-dep for a package i want to backport?
[03:34] <micahg> Resistance: you probably just want to fix the package to not require the newer debhelper
[03:34] <Resistance> micahg:  debhelper was an easy backport, and it succeeded... dpkg-dev on the otherhand isnt backported into lucid at all
[03:34] <Resistance> hence the question
[03:35] <Resistance> (i'd have to modify the package versioning for dpkg/dpkg-dev in the control, and i could easily do that)
[03:35] <micahg> Resistance: sorry, I'd suggest fixing to not use a newer dpkg
[03:35] <Resistance> oh i agree :P
[03:35] <Resistance> i'm just horridly freaking tired ;P
[03:35] <Resistance> if i werent, i'd do it
[03:41] <Resistance> hmm
[03:42] <Resistance> micahg:  i dont see dpkg-dev existing there... i'm not even sure wth i'm looking for in this case (source package: rkhunter, control file does not explicitly state dpkg/dpkg-dev in the deps...
[03:42] <Resistance> :/
[03:43] <Resistance> *shrugs*
[03:43] <Resistance> maybe i'm just horridly tired... :P
[03:44] <Resistance> s/rkhunter/rkhunter (lucid)/
[03:44] <Resistance> grah
[03:44] <Resistance> oneiric
[03:44] <Resistance> i'm headed off, too tired to backport things >.>
[03:45] <micahg> dpkg-dev is in lucid...
[04:00] <Resistance> micahg:  the version in lucid is insufficient
[04:00] <Resistance> i cant find the control entry to allow me to specify the version
[04:02] <micahg> Resistance: huh? rkhunter doesn't need dpkg-dev
[06:38] <micahg> laney: are the haskell packages supposed to be spitting out weird versioned dependencies?
[10:17] <iulian> Weird versioned dependencies?
[10:20] <micahg> iulian: http://paste.ubuntu.com/781974/
[10:20] <micahg> nothing can build against these weird versions now
[10:24] <iulian> micahg: Why not? What's wrong with the versions?
[10:25] <micahg> aside from that they don't exist in the archive?
[10:26] <micahg> oh, I see...this is why these things need constant rebuilds :-/
[10:26] <micahg> it almost seems an abuse of provides to version libraries
[10:26] <micahg> but I guess this stuff moves too fast otherwise
[10:27] <iulian> micahg: Those are the first 5 digits of the hash if that's what you meant by 'weird versions'.
[10:27] <micahg> iulian: yes, I missed that they were "provided" by the dev packages
[10:28] <micahg> and if one's missing, it means a rebuild is needed usually
[10:29] <iulian> If it has a different hash, yes. All the packages that depend on it need to be rebuilt.
[11:10] <Laney> micahg: http://upsilon.cc/~zack/research/publications/studia11-dh-ocaml.pdf
[11:10] <Laney> it is an implementation of that
[11:12] <Laney> http://upsilon.cc/~zack/blog/posts/2009/11/Enforcing_type-safe_linking_using_package_dependencies/
[11:16] <micahg> Laney: thanks, that's quite informative (although it seems nightmarish to keep up to date)
[11:18] <Laney> it's pretty scriptable
[11:19] <micahg> I guess so, I just figured out that part myself
[11:28]  * micahg goes to sleep and tries not to have nightmares about this :)
[11:35] <iulian> It's not that bad after all.
[16:32] <ScottK> iulian: Congratulations on DM.
[16:34] <Resistance> micahg:  well debhelper does... https://launchpadlibrarian.net/88357122/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.rkhunter_1.3.8-7~lucid1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:34] <Resistance> micahg:  debhelper needs dpkg-dev >= 1.16.0~ubuntu4 (which i think is in natty?(
[16:40] <MerryResistance> also, to all the MOTUs and Ubuntu-dom... Happy Holidays to You All!
[16:41] <iulian> ScottK: Thanks but that was roughly 2 years ago.
[16:42] <ScottK> iulian: Oh.  I saw a mail about your key being added to the keyring.
[16:42] <ScottK> I guess it was just an update?
[16:42]  * ScottK lises track of who is what.
[16:42] <ScottK> lise/loses
[16:43] <iulian> ScottK: I have no idea to be honest. What mail?
[16:43] <ScottK> I didn't save it, but it want to the NM list.  It was a standard mail listing DM keyring changes.
[16:43] <ScottK> Maybe it was inadvertently resent from long ago.
[16:44] <iulian> ScottK: Probably.
[16:50] <tumbleweed> yay, more ruby grumbling: http://intertwingly.net/blog/2011/12/24/Ubuntu-vs-Ruby
[16:52] <ScottK> I think switching to 1.9 by default is a good goal, just needs someone to do it.
[16:55] <tumbleweed> probably, although I don't know ruby
[16:59] <ScottK> I don't know it much either, but I understand 1.9 is a substantial performance improvement over 1.8.
[17:00] <tumbleweed> lucas: planning on transitioning in debian?
[22:38] <micahg> Resistance: don't backport debhelper, it's more trouble than it's worth :)


[00:18] <siso80> hi. first time IRC chat. First time Linux user. I have some total newbie questions for some gentle soul
[18:31] <dyllan> hi guys.
[18:36] <dyllan> I run an Ubuntu LTSP server, no problems. I have added a session.desktop (chrome.desktop) in /usr/share/xsessions/ which now defaults when users login at the ldm gtk greeter. My issue is that the mouse icon, the ubuntu 'wheel' spins continuously when this custom session is launches and behind the session one can see the ldm 'splash-screen' if you will. How can i prevent this from happening?


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 The pure floss version of telegram on F-Droid does not rely on Google servers. Could we do something like that?
 @blendergeek0, It also uses more battery. I think it always keeps a websocket open.
 Well, its better than nothing. If anything we should change UBports to let telegram work in whatever way we can make it work.
 It'll always work, albeit without notifications
 @UniversalSuperBox, Thats good to know and maybe we can set up notifications like in the FLOSS android version later or something. I don't know.
 @UniversalSuperBox is this guide still legit? I am getting some errors... … https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/Porting-devices/6f9e2f2
 Get https://github.com/ubports/android …   % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time  Current …                                  Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left  Speed …   0     0    0     0    0     0      0      0 —:--:— —:--:— —:--:—     0 … curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 404 Not Found … Server does not provide clone.bundle; ignoring. … fatal: Couldn't find remote ref refs/
[03:11] <tgBot> Couldn't find remote ref refs/heads/ubp-5.1.1 … fatal: cannot obtain manifest https://github.com/ubports/android
 @kz6fittycent, Remove the trailing .1
 5.1 not 5.1.1
 ah okay, I copied and pasted...
 I don't know how I got that wrong
 @UniversalSuperBox okay, I might be misunderstanding the guide, but once I've done repo init and moved on to . build/envsetup.sh I get the error that the directory doesn't exist. I have tried it from home, from ~/phablet and from ~/bin and I get the same error.  … Did I need to run the phablet-dev-tool PRIOR to the ubports instructions?
 Wait... You already finished syncing?
 Also, I'd recommend you use the Halium guide rather than ours
 dude it didn't sync...
 http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/index.html
 I'll got to Halium's guide
 Oh... If it didn't sync then you would indeed have no files
 lol
 tis true
 .repo was there, but that was it!
 The only problem I have with halium's docs is that there is a disconnect (for me) for porting to UTouch...like it's impossible for someone like me to make that "leap" and assume tons of steps when I have no idea which one's to make; does that make sense?
 Yeah, I have a phone on my desk for the purpose of making that better
 I wrote the docs in the wiki, not the Halium ones. :P
 so, syncing failed with halium too. UGH!
 never mind! missed a command...
 THAT one was on me!
 I'd love to stay and try to help more tonight... But I'm about to drop my phone on my face and fall asleep. Night!
 No worries. Night night
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 Welcome Andre!
 I think I am on RC channel but did not get ota2. Is this OK?
 No idea if it really happened during last day or we some difficulties, I have no info until now ;)
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[10:13] <tgBot> sonu was added by: sonu
 Hi, I am interested in working on OS Development.
 @sonu, \o/
 @sonu, Good whats your experience so far?
 I am a newbie, I have written a simple bootloader for PI and a simple driver which will display some characters in the screen. Professionally I work as a software developer.
 Ok which profession? ;)
 Software Developer,  … https://www.linkedin.com/in/vivek-tripathi-9aa25748
 Oh nice
 You got banking experience ;)
 Yes but that's not where my interest lies.
 Banking is where I got placed after college.
 But I have always been interested in OS and low level programming.
 cool
 what phone do you own
 Nexus 6p
 Uh ok
 That is no device where we got an active port for. Probably would be best you have a phone where Ubuntu Touch works already. This will make it easier for you to test
 hi
 Okay
 what are the tools needed to develop and test applications on ubports 15.04
 I tested unit but I have too much bug
 *yunit
 Is there a plan to work on a port for nexus 6p
 Hmm Canonicals SDK is working only partially, and we got nothing better than this or a simple text editor. I currently use even Eclipse for debugging ;)
 ok tk
 QtCreator from upstream (not the ubuntu-sdk-ide) works well for testing and debugging on desktop. Just setup a kit to use the system libraries. You can also add custom commands if you want it to output a click. I haven't figured out a way to install and run an app on the phone yet so that's still a manual process.
 But clickable kinda solves that anyway
 yes maybe but how?
 but how what?
 @sonu, With enough test devices and time, anything is possible. … But at the moment, no
 Hi Guys BQ E5 hd no longer chrging is anyone else having the same problem?
 @prpleXist, I had that once, log time ago. … I think I  just let it run out of batery and charge it after some hours
 ta
 I need an Ubuntu phone , is it the best way to buy from our community
 I also recall something similar on the ubuntu-phone mailing list where they were advised to let it completely drain and then do a full charge.
 @hwpplayer1, Hmm we dont sell phones ;)
 @hwpplayer1, ebay is your friend 😊
 Community is a better source for me
 Anyone uses Ubuntu sDK
 @hwpplayer1, Yes, with some pain and confusion but happily
 How it goes ? What are the issues ?
 That I have no idea what I'm doing :D … Sometimes I don't know how to configure correctly the projects to run on desktop or on the device
 Who is responsible for sDK
 You have some info here: https://mimecar.gitbooks.io/ubuntu-touch-programming-course/content/
 I heard that website
 I think that clickable is the future: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/236/guide-set-up-a-clickable-working-environment-inside-a-lxc-contiainer/2
 @hwpplayer1, No maintainers at the moment
 @cibersheep, Yes then ?
 What should i do next ?
 @hwpplayer1, Find out whats broken, find all the sources for it and start fixing it ;)
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 @Flohack, And believe we will love you
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 A good place to start: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sdk-ide
 I will talk with Canonical
 @hwpplayer1, I dont know if this will be successful tbh ;)
 @Flohack, I think it would. Gracefully offloading projects is part of the Code of Conduct
 Lets see...
 When all else fails, Popey is in this group. :P
 How many of you will go to Ubuntu Paris?
 o/
 @UniversalSuperBox, sup?
 @popeydc, Nothing yet, I don't think. Maybe some SDK questions from Mert later.
 k
 @popeydc, If you have the power you could  give me a lead to the former BQ and Telegram persons who were involved in the cooperation with Canonical, this would be helpful 😆
 Hm.
 https://betanews.com/2017/09/03/android-oreo-linux-kernel/
 @popeydc, I am trying to push all buttons I can. Ah Meizu also would be nice ,)
 I don't know who those people are, and the people on our side have all left the company.
 Actually Tiago is trying to get hold of BQ
 Well yes, thats clear, but some people of the upper management still must know this, needs to be documented somewhere. If necessary ask Mark ;)
 Not sure if we ever had a good contact for Telegram
 @Flohack, hah, that's quite an assumption
 I am a believer :)
 I'm told Michael Zanetti explained this to you previously?
 It seems @izhukov orginally added push for Ubuntu. So he's probably the best place to start.
 For what ?
 @hwpplayer1, Telegram
 Okay
 I don't have a contact for bq, what's the goal?
 @UniversalSuperBox, I will call Canonical again i couldn't reach to the person 2468
 Call?
 Good old telephone ;)
 Yes i did but i couldnt reach is there another way ?
 @popeydc, The goal is to get all device trees etc what we need to have easier life with those devices
 <Insert joke about Canonical being unreachable because of bugs in their old UT images here>
 @popeydc, If he did I forgot ;)
 @hwpplayer1, Who do you think person 2468 is?
 @popeydc, And he responded instantly 😎
 @popeydc, The switchboard staff member transferred there to me
 who are you wanting to speak to?
 I said i want to talk about the maintanence of Ubuntu Software Development Kit
 Ok.
 I may be able to help here.
 But everyone who worked on that (pretty much) has left the company
 (do you see this pattern? )
 none of the sdk team worked in London
 It's not a good one.
 As in a bummer
 I wrote a private message to you @popeydc
 Anyone feel like giving me a hand, because I'm a noob, in porting itch to the nexus grouper? … Don't laugh, I'm new to this and its the only device I have to learn on.
 Anyone feel like giving me a hand in porting uTouch to the Nexus 7 grouper? I'm a noob so your patience is required. … @UniversalSuperBox has been able to help me get started but I don't want to wear any one person out.
 @hwpplayer1 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit is where the UI toolkit is
 I don't kow if it's already been forked
 https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team shows what else there is
 https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+related-projects
 Okay i will check it as soon as possible
 @popeydc, afaik yunit have forked it
 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-sdk-ide for example
 ok
 if they've forked it and are working on it, you're better off talking to yunit than trying to phone random numbers in the canonical office :)
 It was funny
 @popeydc, BTW I think yunit has not much benefits of maintaining this for phones, so we should put this on better grounds. The core UBports team has no capacities atm, but we would love to see an independent bunch of people work on that
 @hwpplayer1, 🤣
 I should write an article
 Ok. While I'm here, anything else I can help with?
 When we can make a hangouts meeting all together
 Not just this group all Ubuntu guys and who forked it
 I filled a partnership form hope they will call me or send e-mail
 @blendergeek0, I got "oral" confirmation by Telegram that they can help us with the push thingie ;)
 thx @popeydc this lead is worth gold ;)
 nice !
 I got now this: https://core.telegram.org/tdlib
 We need more Russians 😆
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/6xzERjTs/file_363.webp
 @Flohack, @vanyasem is Russian AFAIK...
[16:12] <tgBot> <Stefan Kalb> @fmolinero, o/
 @Flohack, I am Russian
 OMG... I'm Russian too
 and fan of opensource
 @bastos777, Угу, я русский
 @Flohack, do you need a translation?
 Well not a full translation, but an idea what you think
 The thingie should replace our bottom lib to make things easier
 We dont need the Java bindings, only the C++ part
[18:51] <Maccraft123> Hello
 My McKraft
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 @wayneoutthere, I guess fill me in on where we want to go. Sorry for replying to like a week old message, I need to frequent this a bit more.
 I'd really like to try to separate the os, android container, and ui. But I've been struggling to get past the current build system which uses the cyanogenmod(lineageos) build, which takes up atrocious amount of space and is quite convoluted.
 I was told @Flohack might be able to help with this a bit
 @icethecold, Im not an expert on building
 There are far better ppl. And go to the Halium chat ;)
 there the real porting takes place
 Ah OK cool. Link for halium chat? Or just google? Halium is libhybris yeah?
 telegram group
 No Halium is not libhybris otherwise it would be called libhybris and not halium ^^
 https://halium.org/
 halium includes libhybris and sorta wraps around it at a higher level
 they're closely related and it's probs the best telegram group to discuss hybris issues
 Ah it just uses libhybris, got it. Thanks 😊
 (unless there's a hybrid group..)
 @icethecold, https://t.me/halium
 @GranPC, Thats too far from what we need. We dont want to be upstream, just want to use libhybris. But if we got THAT way we will never finish a port ^^
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 Is halium a fork off of ubports specifically for an effort to separate OS from UI? If so, is there a parallel effort to make Ubuntu touch run on any Linux distro?
 I hate it when I'm a Johnny come lately to a show...I feel like I'm playing catchup in porting UTouch to an old device that was actually used at one point by Canonical for testing...
 What device are you using?
 Grouper
 Nexus 7 (2012)
 Yeah, I think you are right. I believe n7 was one of the most supported devices in it's time.
 I know it had some issues THEN and that's why it was dropped in lieu of phones and the n7 2013 (flo) but it's frustrating when all the pieces WOULD be there and I COULD do this if it weren't for my learning curve....
 and TIMING
 However, I figure that if I can get this old device running, then I can get a newer device running at some point, too. Given the time and patience.
 The nexus 5 seems like a solid device, I picked one up for ~$100 USD at a second hand shop. I figured it wasn't worth the time on my older hardware with weak dev communities
 Well, my money's tied up in raising a family so this hobby has to stay on the low-buck side for now. I own the 5x and once I'm ready to replace it, I'd really like to give that a shot.  … The plasma-mobile guys have it running "solid" according to their site.  … They're using Halium as a base, too. So, I am hoping that the port for UTouch won't be "as difficult" now that they've done some of the work. Though, I'm learning that mentality isn't
[21:30] <tgBot> accurate way of thinking of this process!
 Nice
 @UniversalSuperBox <when you get this message> I have an idea. Is there a way to update the manifests in the OLD phablet tools from Canonical to pull from the Lineage/Halium repos instead of the defaults? If so, do you know which manifest I "should" be looking at?
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/GvWTTJpw/file_364.mp4
 Well, I just learned how to do a direct check out. I added the Lineage 14 repo. I am not sure that was the right thing to do, but here we go!
 @kz6fittycent, Our goal is generally to go more upstream rather than fork harder. phablet-tools might have been nice, but I've never used them other than to get ubuntu-device-flash.
 @UniversalSuperBox, I am such a dullard when it comes to trying to figure out new stuff! If/when this method fails to get the Grouper to flash, I'll start on Halium. My problem is that I have NO idea how to bridge the code gap to then take that source and port over to UTouch. That's the problem with being old and having a learning curve the size of Everest...
 It's like my old friend said when training for boxing, "You gotta start somewhere..."
 Honestly, I don't think putting the manifests into phablet-tools would help much. It saves a step, but a small one in the scheme of things.
 Where are you hung up right now?
 I am syncing with the Lineage Git repo in hopes that I can get what I need out of that (updated firmwares, kernels, etc)
 Hmm... Normally we'd start with the Halium bones and add in the parts of Lineage.
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/AndroidDevel
 mmmmmmmmmmm... the Ubuntu wiki pages won't help much
 @UniversalSuperBox, Yes, and I DID make that attempt but I have NO idea what to do afterward. I can't find anything that REALLY spells it out for a newb...like "This is a keyboard, this is a mouse. They don't fit in your pocket but work well in your house..."
 I'm currently still reading up on halium...but is there a "getting started with halium" somewhere?
 @icethecold, I can't give you anything except... Soon(tm)?
 Ha! I can appreciate that.
 I mean, I want to write all that. But I also have a Java and .NET (blech) class and a coupla jobs
 There are other projects using hali right now for building?
 @icethecold, Here's what I've found. If you're JUST getting started there's SO much that's assumed in the world of development. Much of that assumption is based (perhaps) that you have a degree in CS or something.
 Yes, in fact. There's a whole Halium group.
 Joined that😁
 ...and I'm NOT going back to college!
 Yeah, I've done kernel dev on Linux and freebsd in the past. Also have a BS degree in CS 😉
 @icethecold, So, we've got Plasma Mobile, Nemo Mobile, LuneOS, AsteroidOS, and some others.
 I just can't stand all the wrappers that were created around android dev
 @UniversalSuperBox, Cool, I'll check those out to see what I can grok. Thanks!
 @icethecold, It'd be nice if we could follow the Solus track, start completely from scratch with JUST the kernel and build from there. Fresh and new/pure.
 But then we'd lose Android hardware compatibility
 I mean, we'd all love a world where Halium isn't needed. But our world is one where Android Inc. created Bionic.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Right. I remember reading some of the problems you guys were addressing in here. The problem being that the hardware within a phone is nothing like that of a PC.
 @UniversalSuperBox, I totally understand. I was stating the idea; just dreaming really.
 @kz6fittycent, That's part of it, but it's moreso due to Bionic vs GCC
 ARM isn't too hard if the drivers are in the kernel tree... and use gcc
 @UniversalSuperBox, but they don't do they...
 But as it is, we lost on both counts
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Zg71yulx/file_365.mp4
 @icethecold, Read this: https://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/index.html
 I think the problem is that the kernel and initramfs stuff is easy for a lot of people to get up to speed on, the android kernel and libhybris is new, so if there was a tutorial of getting going starting with a kernel and initramfs, more devs would understand.... Right now everything is wrapped up to make things "easy"
 He's already gotten there. ;)
 So many things to read tonight 👍
 @UniversalSuperBox, This should be enough for the first week or 2 ^^
 so many things to read the rest of my friggin life!
 @kz6fittycent, Well actually the drivers are in the kernel tree, at least most parts, but not the user space blobs that control them and interface to bionic ;) - they are 99% closed source, and we can only talk with them through the bionic lib. Or, through libhybris and then the normal glibc stuff
 That's not ideal...
 it's all kinda confusing when even those who have been here for a year don't have the whole story
 yeah I totally understand and it's frustrating for everyone involved
 good night from europe ;)
 nighty-night!
 Good night! Thanks for the help!
 Yeah, thank you all for your help!


[03:19] <tsimonq2> off to bed o/
[05:32] <Mirv> santa_: clivejo: whatever lower than in yakkety, for example two ~~. there is already Qt for xenial in landing-011
[06:22] <acheronuk> Mirv: Thank you. Forgot about those in silo 11. If they should be suitable to copy straight across, that would be very much simpler than bootstrapping a whole new set of backports
[07:07] <santa_> valorie: thank you very much for your reply! I hope to reply soon, but I'm moving from one house to another right now
[07:07] <santa_> probaby I will rest the sunday
[08:19] <valorie> sorry it took me so long, santa_
[08:19] <valorie> this has been a very busy summer
[09:39] <yofel> tsimonq2: edit your PS1, the container uses mine which shows you the git branch you're on (together with lots of possibly useless information), so use what you prefer
[09:39] <yofel> PS1 is set in .bashrc
[09:47] <acheronuk> yofel: ssh for LP in the containers? do we generate a key for the container and add that to LP profile as would any other machine?
[09:48] <yofel> acheronuk: I would recommend generating a key
[09:48] <yofel> and not a password-less one
[09:49] <acheronuk> ok :)
[10:03] <acheronuk> Qt 5.6.1 for xenial ppa that Mirν mentioned https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-011/+packages
[11:06] <clivejo> weird, my fonts have all changed sizes today
 o/
 yofel: funny, I have my own custom PS1 that I want to use
 :P
[12:29] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:07] <acheronuk> are the packaging notes failing to load with a 502 error for anyone else? https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging
[13:11] <clivejo> they do that from time to time
[13:11] <clivejo> usually when you need them to do somehting
[13:11] <tsimonq2> hehehehehehe
[13:11] <clivejo> acheronuk: have you your container set up?
[13:12] <acheronuk> clivejo: more or less. just tweaking
[13:13] <clivejo> do you want to delete my failed attempt and move over the proper backported Qt5.6.1 to staging-frameworks
[13:13] <acheronuk> you mean from Mirν's silo 11?
[13:14] <clivejo> yes
[13:14] <acheronuk> is yofel ok with us going with those?
[13:14] <clivejo> if you have time maybe we could backport FW?
[13:14] <clivejo> cant see why not
[13:14] <yofel> I don't see why not?
[13:14] <clivejo> we usually use those anyway
[13:15] <clivejo> could you maybe share your terminal on BBB?
[13:15] <acheronuk> so 3 'don't see why not's' then.
[13:15] <acheronuk> consensus
[13:15] <clivejo> or offer simon and I a shared terminal
[13:16] <acheronuk> clivejo: me?
[13:16] <clivejo> yes you :P
[13:17] <acheronuk> not a scooby how.
[13:17] <clivejo> well thats why you'll have Simon and I watching you
[13:20] <tsimonq2> huh?
[13:20] <acheronuk> I meant no clue how to share it.
[13:20]  * tsimonq2 reads backlog
[13:21] <tsimonq2> yes! I can correct spelling :P
[13:23] <acheronuk> wow. a green one
[13:24] <yofel> I put a git snapshot of lintian into unstable, that should fix a bunch
[13:24] <clivejo> like hens teeth these days
[13:24] <clivejo> yofel: when did you do that?
[13:25] <yofel> ~an hour ago
[13:25] <clivejo> ah
[13:25] <yofel> that kscreen build was the test
[13:25] <clivejo> good test :)
[13:32] <clivejo> yofel: where are the workspaces stored?
[13:33] <clivejo> centrally on master?
[13:33] <acheronuk> clivejo yofel : copying QT across took all the extra architectures, as well as amd64 and i386 builds. presumably doesn't matter?
[13:33] <yofel> clivejo: no, slaves
[13:33] <yofel> acheronuk: doesn't matter
[13:33] <clivejo> so that particular job will only run on one slave?
[13:34] <yofel> clivejo: which particular job?
[13:34] <clivejo> like  yakkety_unstable_kscreen
[13:35] <clivejo> it must have a data folder, Im wondering where that is stored
[13:35] <yofel> no, the "workspace" is more like a local cache, so each slave has its own workspace. When you "delete the current workspace", you really delete the workspace of the last slave that the job ran on
[13:36] <clivejo> are they kept in sync somehow?
[13:36] <yofel> the meger workspaces are in ~/workspace/merger_X/ - builds are in workspace/<release>/<job>
[13:36] <yofel> no
[13:36] <yofel> those are just temporary files anyway
[13:37] <yofel> when a job starts, it updates the workspace on the slave it runs on
[13:37] <clivejo> from where?
[13:37] <yofel> upstream?
[13:38] <yofel> the workspace are mostly the git clones
[13:38] <clivejo> where does it get all the build info from
[13:38] <clivejo> what job number, previous builds etc
[13:39] <yofel> job number over ssh from master, previous build the slave doesn't have to know about. Job execution is done by the ci-tooling that's deployed on the slave
[13:41] <clivejo> I see
[15:11] <acheronuk> Hmmm. pbuilder on linode building qtcurve for YY takes 2mins34s
[15:11] <acheronuk> pbuilder on my machine building qtcurve for YY takes 2mins13s
[15:12] <acheronuk> curious. must try with something that takes a longer compile stage
[16:28] <jimarvan> heeello
 o/\
[16:50] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: did you just sed the linode sources list to upgrade container to YY?
[16:50] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: nope, sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[16:51] <acheronuk> hmm. I get 'No new release found@
[16:51] <tsimonq2> oh yeah
[16:51] <tsimonq2> look up instructions for 14.04 -> 14.10
[16:52] <tsimonq2> you have to edit a file
[16:56] <acheronuk> a yes, as an LTS. so /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades needs changing
[16:57] <acheronuk> had forgotten that
[16:57] <acheronuk> now it sees 16.10 :)
 Yay! :)
[16:58] <acheronuk> do you have to restart it somehow after?
 Yes
 Restarting works fine e
[17:14] <acheronuk> good. :) just didn't want to break it
[17:15] <acheronuk> and have to start again
[19:29]  * clivejo yawns
[19:30] <soee> http://goo.gl/J8jjsL
[19:31] <clivejo> where you do find them!
[19:31]  * soee googles
[19:33]  * soee array_rand(['healty food', 'pizza', 'kebab'], 1)
[19:34] <soee> ubbotu should have rand function
[19:34] <soee> !ubbotu help
[19:34] <soee> !ubbotu rand
[19:34] <yofel> array_merge($result, ['ice cream'])
[19:35] <clivejo> mmmm icecream
[19:36]  * clivejo is now tempted to drive to shop for icecream
[19:36] <soee> :D
[19:36]  * clivejo grabs wallet and keys
[19:36] <soee> buy us some :D
[19:39] <valorie> !rand icecream sloth-yawns
[19:39] <valorie> lol
[19:48] <soee> vote up if you like it https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=366478
[19:56] <valorie> aren't there already, soee?
[19:57] <valorie> I have the dark theme, and white icons
[20:02] <clivejo> tsimonq2 acheronuk: do one of you guys want to try backporting or will I carry on?
[20:02] <valorie> oooo backports!
[20:02] <valorie> my travel laptop will love you forever
[20:03] <valorie> errr, until our next release
[20:03] <valorie> lol
[20:03] <clivejo> ahoneybun_ wants it too
[20:04] <clivejo> so guys, two KCC members will love you forevers and evers
[20:23] <tsimonq2> clivejo: aww sorry, I'm out of tbe house
[20:24] <tsimonq2> be back in like an hour
[20:24] <acheronuk> clivejo: can try
[20:24] <clivejo> me likely!
[20:25] <tsimonq2> free root beer day at A&W and I'm going to all three within biking distance XD
[20:25] <clivejo> acheronuk: can you share your container with me ?
[20:25] <acheronuk> how do I do that?
[20:25] <tsimonq2> sorry, wish I could, good luck!
[20:25] <clivejo> balakounamagig
[20:27] <acheronuk> something wrong with your keyboard? :P
[20:27] <clivejo> my brain
[20:27] <clivejo> well, I recommend byobu, but you can just use tmux
[20:27] <clivejo> I was close
[20:27] <clivejo> begins with a b
[20:28] <acheronuk> byobu runs on login atm
[20:28] <clivejo> can you add me so I can log in with you?
[20:28] <acheronuk> how?
[20:28] <clivejo> I assume add my public key
[20:29] <clivejo> please note this is my first time doing this
[20:29] <acheronuk> 2 secs
[20:30] <clivejo> http://people.canonical.com/~kirkland/byobu.mp4
[20:30] <clivejo> loely calming muzak
[20:30] <acheronuk> try port 2203
[20:32] <acheronuk> actually which key? or both? you have 2 listed
[20:33] <clivejo> the first one
[20:33] <acheronuk> that is added
[20:33] <acheronuk> I think....
[20:33] <clivejo> the second one is to allow Linode access
[20:33] <acheronuk> yep. same here
[20:34] <clivejo> just a sec, setting up an alias
[20:34] <clivejo> ok Im in
[20:34] <clivejo> can you see?
[20:35] <clivejo> do you wanna go on BBB?
[20:35] <valorie> we're about to lose KDE bnc
[20:35] <clivejo> ??
[20:35] <valorie> sysadmin is upgrading the server
[20:35] <clivejo> noooooooooo
[20:35] <acheronuk> valorie: eek
[20:35] <valorie> you'll have to connect to freenode directly
[20:36] <valorie> for an hour or so
[20:36] <acheronuk> BBB
[20:36] <valorie> or just use bbb
[20:36] <clivejo> I cant remember how
[20:36]  * clivejo feels like his limbs are about to be cut off
[20:36] <valorie> http://kubuntu.blindsidenetworks.net/kubuntu/
[20:36] <valorie> "welcome"
[20:37] <valorie> sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it was just announced in #kde-devel
[20:38] <clivejo> acheronuk: are you logged into your box?
[20:38] <acheronuk> container? yes
[20:47] <acheronuk> kde kicke me off!
[21:06] <soee> o/
[21:07] <cortex_> hello soee
[21:10] <soee> hiho cortex_
[21:11]  * soee throws hammer at kmail
[21:12]  * yofel picks up the hammer and throws it onto the hammer pile
[21:20] <cortex_> https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging is down?
[21:24] <clivejo> yofel: ping
[21:25] <acheronuk_> clivejo: yes
[21:25] <valorie> weeeee
[21:27] <clivejo> yofel: Rik and I are backporting FW5.24, but having problems with santa's new code
[21:27] <clivejo> Traceback (most recent call last):
[21:27] <clivejo>   File "/home/ubuntu/kubuntu/kubuntu-automation/git-buildpackage-ppa", line 11, in <module>
[21:27] <clivejo>     from distro_info import UbuntuDistroInfo
[21:27] <clivejo> ImportError: No module named 'distro_info'
[21:28] <soee> there will be 5.25 in a few days :)
[21:28] <soee> tagging today i think
[21:30] <valorie> nice
[21:30] <valorie> those frequent bugfix releases are awesome
[21:36] <acheronuk_> clivejo: yep
[21:37] <acheronuk_> since May (ish?)
[21:38] <acheronuk_> Six months, yes.
[21:38] <clivejo> valorie: whats the rules on applying for membership
[21:38] <acheronuk_> I was on here before then, but can't really say 'sustained'
[21:38] <acheronuk_> Since January
[21:39] <acheronuk_> here on IRC. a bit anyway
[21:39] <valorie> you are sustained, I would say
[21:39] <valorie> please apply
[21:39] <acheronuk_> I have made a start on a page
[21:39] <clivejo> hes been on the forum longer
[21:39] <valorie> \o/
[21:39] <clivejo> helping people, surely that counts
[21:39] <valorie> I was about to ask yesterday, but you went to bed acheronuk_
[21:39] <acheronuk_> well made it, but not edited hardly anything on it yet
[21:40] <valorie> yes, helping people counts
[21:40] <valorie> or I wouldn't be a member!
[21:40] <acheronuk_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RikMills
[21:40] <valorie> fixing docs counts
[21:40] <valorie> everything we DO counts
[21:40] <valorie> including handing out virtual drinks on IRC
[21:40] <valorie> :-)
[21:40] <acheronuk_> I keep meaning to get on that... :)
[21:41] <acheronuk_> If nothing else, it helps to keep track of contributions
[21:41] <acheronuk_> clivejo: yep. that was a good call to nab you
[21:42] <acheronuk_> !cookies
[21:42] <acheronuk_> along with ovidiu's drinks
[21:42] <acheronuk_> Sounds like methanol
[21:43] <acheronuk_> nope clive
[21:43] <acheronuk_> people are going to think I talking to myself!
[21:43] <acheronuk_> lol
[21:44] <acheronuk_> Kirsh is nice. Nison grass vodka
[21:44] <acheronuk_> Bison
[21:44] <valorie> I've not tried that
[21:44] <valorie> kirsch, yes
[21:44] <acheronuk_> clivejo: dogs are all slightly loopy
[21:47] <jimarvan> :D
[21:48] <jimarvan> LOL
[21:48] <jimarvan> omg i just came in to say hi, and cannot stop loling
[21:48] <jimarvan> \o/
[21:53] <clivejo> Host dev.kubuntu.co.uk
[21:53] <clivejo>     User ubuntu
[21:53] <clivejo>     Port 2203
[21:53] <clivejo>     IdentityFile ~/.ssh/id_rsa
[21:53] <acheronuk_> I have that already I think?
[21:54] <clivejo> debsign -r dev.kubuntu.co.uk:~/workspace/frameworks/upload/*.source.changes
[21:54] <acheronuk_> scp: /home/ubuntu/workspace/frameworks/upload/*.source.changes: No such file or directory
[21:55] <acheronuk_> oh
[21:55] <clivejo> debsign -r dev.kubuntu.co.uk:~/workspace/frameworks/upload/*source.changes
[21:55] <clivejo> sorry
[21:56] <acheronuk_> yes.
[21:56] <acheronuk_> gpg-agent rocks!
[21:57] <acheronuk_> not unless Phil added them
[21:57] <acheronuk_> makes sense
[21:58] <acheronuk_> done :)
[21:58] <yofel> did you get the distro_info issue sorted?
[21:58] <acheronuk_> oh wait
[21:59] <clivejo> yes and no, just removed line 11
[21:59] <acheronuk_> no, it just had to upload. it has done now
[21:59] <yofel> you were missing python3-distro-info I believe
[21:59] <acheronuk_> I installed that
[21:59] <clivejo> rik tried to install some packages
[21:59] <clivejo> but still wouldnt work
[22:00] <acheronuk_> oh, wait, maybe not that one!
[22:00] <yofel> hm, weird
[22:01] <clivejo> what is to purpose of that line?
[22:02] <yofel> it's supposed to be used by the commented out line 21 to get the devel release codename
[22:03] <acheronuk_> http://www.speedtest.net/result/5533448848.png
[22:04] <yofel> oddly enough, distro-info does not provide the release version, which limits its usefullness
[22:04] <acheronuk_> yes
[22:08] <acheronuk_> http://www.speedtest.net/result/5533445397.png
[22:08] <acheronuk_> clivejo: ^^^
[22:28] <acheronuk_> File khtml_5.24.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1.debian.tar.xz already exists in Kubuntu Staging Frameworks, but uploaded version has different contents. See more information about this error in
[22:30] <acheronuk_> Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification.
[22:32] <acheronuk_> clivejo: like https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-frameworks/+sourcepub/6082216/+listing-archive-extra
[22:34] <acheronuk_> and wait.....
[22:35] <acheronuk_> clivejo: I get that yes
[22:36] <acheronuk_> rigth :)
[22:36] <acheronuk_> ok
[22:40]  * acheronuk_ is talking to clive on BBB and byobu, but while it's busy some replies are going in here
[22:40] <acheronuk_> in case you think I've gone nuts! lol
[22:44] <valorie> 14.04.5 is out
[22:45]  * valorie just seeded all the torrents
[23:02] <acheronuk> \o/


[03:40] <Guest9841> Hello, im so confused on how to properly install a theme on KDE, i tried through the store but the taskbar does not format correctly, i tried downloading the ZIP for it and running the sh file but no avail, any tips?
[08:54] <lardayn2> hi. any suggestions for a newbie for an automatically-run system recovery backup of kubuntu?
[08:55] <lardayn2> i use backups for weekly-backups of the home directory, is it satisfactory? In case of a problem, can i fresh-install kubuntu and restore that backup and will everything be fine?
[09:04] <tomreyn> your apt and snap (and other, incl. what goes to /usr/local and /opt) installed applications will no longer be present, and, possibly more important, your system level configurations (which once used to be almost exclusively stored in /etc)
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:24] <user|11> What is the standard version of Python used by Kubuntu 23.04?
[14:31] <RikMills> user|11: https://packages.ubuntu.com/lunar/python3
[15:24] <user|11> RikMills. Thanks.
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/916394df/file_68569.jpg
[20:25] <AssTractionHero> Can someone point me to where the screen brightness stepping is in the settings? e.g. the ones controlled by the F1 and F2 keys on a MacBook Air. It seems to be stepping by 6-7%, I'd like to have it set at 5 or 10.
[20:29] <AssTractionHero> Sorry, MacBook Pro, if that makes any difference. The two MacBooks Air have the stepping set at 5%.


[00:10] <poolie> tjaalton, hi? bug 745112 seems to have regressed, can i do anything to help?
[00:17] <mwhudson> poolie: are you on oneiric?
[00:17] <poolie> yeah
[00:17] <poolie> it's intermittently very good
[00:17] <mwhudson> heh
[00:17] <poolie> i guess i should have asked in +1
[00:17] <mwhudson> i guess i should upgrade soon
[00:18] <poolie> however lack of reliable external monitor and suspend support is kind of annoying on a laptop
[00:18] <poolie> unity is getting distinctly useful
[00:18] <mwhudson> does unity itself work well with multiple monitors yet?
[00:18] <mwhudson> some times i would like not to have the laptop display off when using another monitor
[00:20] <poolie> i think tolerably well
[00:20] <poolie> i mostly find it too distracting and turn the internal one off
[00:21] <poolie> however it seems to be lacking a way to control where the dock/menubar go
[05:26] <pitti> Good morning
[05:27] <pitti> slangasek: yes, I recently demoted ubuntuone-couch/mocker because nothing kept it in main any more; but both have MIRs, so I re-promoted them
[05:27] <pitti> cnd: pkg-create-dbgsym itself can do it, but for regular PPAs there is no archive to publish them to
[05:28] <pitti> cnd: it's primarily an option for the OEM PPAs, which are non-virtualized and they have their own archive
[05:28] <slangasek> pitti: actually I repromoted them before you got to it ;)  (morning!)
[05:29] <ScottK> pitti: Getting dbgsym packages into a proper archive would be a good UDS topic I think.
[05:31] <pitti> doko_: yes, g-shell was uploaded, but dep-waiting on caribou; both are built now, and the remaining cogl2 rdepends are now fixed
[05:31] <pitti> slangasek: gdm/lightdm fix> no, go ahead; I guess you already did
[05:32] <slangasek> pitti: more or less... gdm is in, lightdm was caught up because robert_ancell has changes committed to trunk - I've branched around that now, needs someone to approve it in the queue :)
[05:32] <pitti> ScottK: not sure what's left to do there; LP supports it, IIRC the main thing there is that it is hard for LP to "forget" the obsolete ones
[05:33] <ScottK> If it was easy, you'd have done it already.....
[05:33] <pitti> but I'd be really happy to finally drop this nasty and brittle ddeb-retriever hack
[05:35] <superm1> when are the daily images going to be resumed again?
[05:35] <superm1> i had wanted to check and make sure that the changes I made post b2 didn't push mythbuntu back oversized again
[05:36] <pitti> superm1: they are on now
[05:36] <pitti> but no idea whether they were enabled ten minutes ago or on Friday
[05:36] <superm1> probably today, i haven't seen any livefs attempts from the weekend (http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/oneiric/mythbuntu/)
[05:37] <superm1> i'll check tomorrow then, thanks pitti
[05:37] <ScottK> It was Sunday, FSVO Sunday.
[06:16] <tjaalton> poolie: hmm, maybe open a new bug for it, with a reference to the old one? also, please try 3.1rc mainline kernel if it's fixed there
[06:18] <poolie> ok tjaalton
[06:19] <poolie> tjaalton, is there a packaged 3.1rc?
[06:20] <tjaalton> poolie: sure, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[06:42] <dholbach> good morning
[07:15] <micahg> pitti: does it make any sense to use dh --with apport and then override it later?
[07:17] <pitti> micahg: I think it does if you want to supply extra options
[07:17] <micahg> ok, great, that's what I want to do (needs a package name :))
[07:21] <tkamppeter> pitti, hi
[07:22] <pitti> hello tkamppeter
[07:22] <pitti> micahg: then you don't need to care about which other dh_* command to append it to, i. e. --with will take care of the correct ordering already
[07:22] <pitti> micahg: (not a biggie for dh_apport, but in general)
[07:23] <micahg> pitti: oh,  so I could toss it under override_dh_auto_install?
[07:23] <tkamppeter> pitti, it is about bug 787067, a GS crash on Apple-generated EPS files. Fix would be to not use the system-supplied liblcms1 any more but the Ghostscript-built-in one. Should I switch to that one then?
[07:23] <pitti> micahg: no, that's too early
[07:23] <pitti> micahg: override_dh_install perhaps
[07:24] <micahg> pitti: I just did override_dh_apport?
[07:24] <pitti> micahg: yes, that plus --with is correct
[07:24] <micahg> ok, great
[07:24] <pitti> tkamppeter: I'd rather avoid it; library duplication is EBW
[07:24] <pitti> tkamppeter: can't the fix be applied to liblcms1?
[07:24] <dholbach> lucas, bon anniversaire! :)
[07:25] <tkamppeter> pitti, the fix suggested here is downgrading to liblcms1_1.16-7ubuntu1
[07:26] <tkamppeter> pitti, we currently use 1.19.dfsg-1ubuntu1
[07:29] <tkamppeter> pitti, perhaps one can advance GS to liblcms2.
[07:30] <pitti> tkamppeter: it seems it's rather easy to reproduce the bug with a command line, so bisecting liblcms changes between 1.16 and 1.19 should be feasible; woudl be better to fix the regression for 1.19 than downgrading, IMHO
[07:45] <tkamppeter> pitti, quick check shows that building GS against lcms2 fixes the segfault, but GS upstream developers tell that lcms2 is too buggy and not recommended to be used with GS ...
[07:57] <brendand> does anyone know if there's been a change in glade (or gtk) such that the __init__ function of custom components written in python wouldn't get called? i've been hit by this since just a few days ago (friday)
[07:58] <pitti> brendand: bug 856669
[07:58] <pitti> brendand: I'm working on it right now
[07:58] <brendand> pitti - brilliant! great to know it's a known issue
[07:58] <lucas> dholbach: thanks :)
[08:14] <pitti> brendand: fix uploaded, FYI
[08:15] <brendand> pitti - cool. thanks
[08:19] <AlanBell> ev: can we discuss bug 781385
[08:58] <Sweetshark> Moin desktoppers!
[09:01] <jibel> mvo, morning, could you look at 854090 ?
[09:01] <mvo> jibel: sure!
[09:01] <jibel> bug 854090
[09:02] <mvo> jibel: did you (or someone else) actually managed to reproduce this one?
[09:03] <jibel> jibel, not yet, I just saw the high number of recent duplicates.
[09:10] <ev> AlanBell: sure can, though I've followed up on the bug.
[09:11] <didrocks> mvo: I didn't manage to reproduce it, just seeing a lot of people getting it using oneconf for instance (which just get the list of installed package)
[09:11] <mvo> didrocks: oh, thats interessting
[09:12] <didrocks> mvo: the only part using apt is http://paste.ubuntu.com/697154/ FYI
[09:12] <didrocks> not sure if this can help
[09:14] <mvo> ok
[09:16] <SrPiojos> good morning
[09:16] <AlanBell> thanks ev
[09:16] <ev> sure thing
[09:16] <SrPiojos> I am in the process of designing a forum for Ubuntu Developers in Mexico
[09:17] <SrPiojos> and I need advice as to which of these four logos on this montage
[09:17] <SrPiojos> would look that best
[09:17] <SrPiojos> http://i.imgur.com/Usqtb.jpg
[09:36] <ochosi> chrisccoulson: ping
[09:41] <tkamppeter> pitti, I am trying to get a stack trace from liblcms, I have rebuilt the package locally and then manually copied the unstripped version of the lib into its place in the system, bug gdb says warning: Can't read pathname for load map: Input/output error. and does not load the symbols of liblcms. Is there a special trick for multiarch?
[09:43] <pitti> tkamppeter: the warning happens everytime, that's normal
[09:44] <tkamppeter> pitti, any idea why I do not get the symbols? I have checked the lib with "file" and it is really unstripped.
[09:45] <pitti> tkamppeter: did you copy it to the same place as the original package?
[09:45] <pitti> tkamppeter: if so, then I have no idea
[09:51] <OdyX> pitti, tkamppeter: do you have opinions about http://bugs.debian.org/641687 ? (aka "impossible to setup a printing driver without colord installed" )?
[09:53] <tkamppeter> pitti, I did, /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/
[09:59] <AlanBell> ev: is there a way to run ubiquity from trunk, I only know how to start it from the live CD
[10:00] <lag> My desktop just randomly shut itself down
[10:00] <ev> AlanBell: you can build it using debuild then copy the resulting ubiquity-frontend-gtk, ubiquity, and ubiquity-ubuntu-artwork debs into a live CD
[10:01] <tkamppeter> pitti, on #ghostscript I got told that libcms1 is not maintained upstream any more and therefore the GS deveklopers have applied fixes to their own version and did not report them upstream. They also tell that therefore in GS 9.05 they want to remove the possibility to use the system liblcms(1). Seems that for P we need to switch GS to liblcms2 and use the time of the cycle to test and find bugs. WDYT is best for Oneiric then?
[10:01] <lag> I've looked in /var/log/[kernel.log&syslog], but there's no clues in there as to what went wrong
[10:01] <AlanBell> ok, not much easier than just booting the CD and poking at the files there
[10:01] <ev> AlanBell:  indeed, that
[10:01] <ev> s generally much quicker
[10:01] <AlanBell> lag: probably temperature
[10:01] <tkamppeter> pitti, Upstream GS suggests to use GS' own lcms1 for the current Ubuntu release.
[10:01] <lag> AlanBell: Does Ubuntu log such things?
[10:02] <pitti> tkamppeter: could we at least bisect the changes and check which one caused the regression?
[10:02] <lag> AlanBell: Surely there would be something in the logs "over-temp warning, shutting down..."
[10:02] <pitti> tkamppeter: duplicating libraries is a pain, and downgrading gs' one to a previous version will presumably re-open color management bugs again which were fixed since then?
[10:03] <AlanBell> lag: yes, in syslog normally I think. It is the main thing I know of that causes a controlled suicide shutdown -h now
[10:03] <lag> AlanBell: I don't see anything
[10:03]  * lag installs sensors-applet
[10:07] <tkamppeter> pitti upstream suggests duplicating the lcms1. They want to stabilize the lcms2 shared library use for the next cycle (9.05).
[10:08] <tkamppeter> pitti, I have diffed the upstram source of liblcms1 with the source coming with GS and the diff of the src/*.c is huge.
[10:08] <tkamppeter> pitti, bisecting does not work, there is VCS for libcms1.
[10:09] <pitti> "no VCS"?
[10:09] <tkamppeter> pitti, seems that we have to duplicate the lcms1 to overcome the time until getting the real solution in GS 9.05.
[10:09] <pitti> tkamppeter: can we disable color management support in gs for oneiric, if it's not ready yet and crashy?
[10:10] <tkamppeter> pitti, the VCS on LittleCMS.com is a GIT started in 2010 with only libcms2.
[10:10] <cjwatson> lots of upstreams suggest duplicating libraries; if they were all correct then distributions would be considerably larger and considerably less secure :-)
[10:11] <tkamppeter> pitti, I do not really know whether it is possible in GS 9.0x, as CMS is deeply integrated there. It can perhaps cause more crashes at other places.
[10:13] <tkamppeter> pitti, only crash point in GS for now are these Apple-generated EPS files, so most of CMS is stable. Switching to the GS-internal lcms1 would make also this point stable and we would ship a GS without known crashes.
[10:14] <tkamppeter> pitti, security responsability of this code piece will be taken by GS upstream.
[10:15] <pitti> tkamppeter: it might fix this bug, but how many others would it reopen?
[10:15] <tkamppeter> pitti, and it is also only for one non-LTS cycle.
[10:15] <pitti> all the changes between 1.16 and 1.19 weren't made in vain, I suppose :)
[10:16] <tkamppeter> pitti, the one in GS is the new one, not 1.16.
[10:17] <pitti> tkamppeter: I thought you said it only worked with 1.16, so I thought that's the version gs ships with
[10:17] <pitti> if it also ships with 1.19, then the diff can't possibly be so large?
[10:17] <pitti> or did they do so heavy modifications to the internal copy?
[10:17] <pitti> (if so, it's all the more reason to disable it completely -- this kind of behaviour is simply unacceptable)
[10:22] <tkamppeter> pitti, the diff is really big: 15 files changed, 1050 insertions(+), 905 deletions(-)
[10:26] <pitti> tkamppeter: so I suppose the included version isn't 1.19?
[10:27] <tkamppeter> pitti, I have diffed the included version against 1.18 and 1.19. The diffstats look nearly equal. This means that the changes the GS developers did are much, much bigger than the changes between 1.18 and 1.19
[10:29] <tkamppeter> pitti, 1.18 -> 1.19: 4 files changed, 10 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
[10:29] <tkamppeter> pitti, additional remark: I tried also to install 1.16 (originally suggested workaround) but GS crashes with it for me, too.
[10:31] <pitti> so that also means gs' internal copy is a totally homebrew one, and hasn't been tested at all so far with other printing related things
[10:31] <pitti> that makes me even less confident that switching to the internal version is a good idea at this point ..
[10:31] <directhex> mvo, how does apt's new netrc support deal with passwords containing spaces?
[10:35] <tkamppeter> pitti, the internal lcms was tested by the regression tests of GS upstream which they do after every GIT commit and these tests run 1000s of files through GS, there are even tests with the CUPS Raster output device.
[10:37] <pitti> tkamppeter: and we know that their version works with our packaged version of colord, gnome-color-manager, etc? we never tested it in any real "print this document" test case in oneiric
[10:43] <tkamppeter> pitti, perhaps leaving this bug unfixed and providing a personal solution (PPA), for example a GS build using libcms2 to this one user who complained, and putting O and P tasks to the bug, marking O "Won't fix", as it is too close to release and the available fixes are too big changes.
[10:43] <pitti> tkamppeter: works for me
[10:45] <tkamppeter> pitti, I will also use this LCMS2-based GS on my systems to keep it under observation and also upload it to P as soon as P opens, so that it gets tested. If it turns out to be stable I will propose it as SRU in 2 months or so.
[11:08] <janimo> ScottK, hi, around? Why is the build log necessary for the glmark2 FFE? Also the detailed description of testing? The one requesting the FFE and the packager is the upstream author as well
[11:09] <ScottK> Because those are normal things required for an FFe.
[11:09] <janimo> build log? hmm, never saw that asked for honestly.
[11:11] <tkamppeter> pitti, OdyX wants an opinion about debian bug 641687, should we make cups depend on colord here?
[11:11] <pitti> tkamppeter: that sounds unsuitable for Debian at least; we can't easily make it work without colord support?
[11:12] <pitti> OdyX: ^ cups is also used in embedded environments, so adding a hard dependency on colord seems a bit exaggerated?
[11:13] <OdyX> pitti: I would tend to agree, yes. colord doesn't sound essential to cups' core task, so wouldn't justify a hard depends. IMHO, eh.
[11:13] <mvo> directhex: space should work fine, the tokenizer uses \n\t as tokens
[11:14] <mvo> directhex: eh, as delimit
[11:15] <directhex> netrc(5) says spaces as well. which is the issue
[11:15] <directhex> the python netrc library implies you can't use spaces in netrc, too
[11:16] <tkamppeter> pitti, so the colord patch of CUPS needs a fix to fall back to non-CMS if colord is absent. Is this only relevant for Debian or should we do this fix also for Oneiric?
[11:16] <tkamppeter> OdyX, ^
[11:17] <OdyX> If colord is also a recommends of cups in oneiric, I'd say it should be done in both.
[11:17] <mvo> directhex: hm, I don't know about the python one, but at least from looking ah the apt code (and curl) it should work, but I did not actually test it, so I may be wrong
[11:17] <pitti> tkamppeter: seems relevant for both
[11:51] <tkamppeter> pitti, next problem: bug 850680, some packages' postinstall scripts return error status 10. Do you have any idea? The treminal logs do not show anything useful.
[11:58] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer
[11:59] <Daviey> Can an archive admin reject cobbler-enrol (source) NEW package please, been superseeded with cobbler-enlist.  Thanks :)
[11:59] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: error 10 is typically debconf's "bad parameters" error, indicating incorrect use of debconf
[11:59] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: the above environment variable should let you track it down
[12:00] <cjwatson> it's generally, though not exclusively, an attempt to use a question name that doesn't exist
[12:03] <tkamppeter> cjwatson, strange is that I never changed this debconf stuff and that only one user complained and not 100s.
[12:03] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: it could easily be conditional code or similar.  It needs investigation rather than either of us guessing ...
[12:04] <tkamppeter> cjwatson, perhaps I have to ask the user to run the scripts manually with DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer.
[12:05] <tkamppeter> pitti, I have a problem with upload to my PPA. Half an hour ago it worked, now I get
[12:05] <tkamppeter> Changes file must be signed with a valid GPG signature: Verification failed 3 times: ['General error', 'General error', 'General error'] : Permission denied.
[12:05] <tkamppeter> Note: This error might indicate a problem with your passive_ftp setting.
[12:05] <tkamppeter>       Please consult dput.cf(5) for details on this configuration option.
[12:06] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: yes, that is roughly what I'm suggesting.  But don't ask them to run the scripts manually, as it's too easy to get the arguments wrong; try 'DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer dpkg --configure -a' instead
[12:06] <cjwatson> (assuming they haven't already destroyed the evidence, which is quite possible)
[12:06] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: upload> wait a bit and check whether the upload actually succeeded anyway.  This is a known problem
[12:06] <tkamppeter> cjwatson, in that case I will close the bug as invalid. Thanks.
[12:07] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: well, not until after investigation :)
[12:07] <tkamppeter> cjwatson, Upload actually arrived and is happily building.
[12:16] <pitti> tkamppeter: sorry, was at lunch; but seems cjwatson already answered, thanks
[12:18] <tkamppeter> cjwatson, piiti, bug 850680 updated.
[12:19] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: I know man-db is correct here (audited carefully multiple times); anything like that biting it is a problem in whichever higher-level package manager is in use - so it's worth also finding out which package management frontend they're using
[12:22] <tkamppeter> cjwatson, for me it also looks like that this is not a bug of the individual packages as ate least on cups and foomatic-filters the debconf stuff did not get touched for longer time. The package manager frontend seems to be a good candidate here.
[12:26] <mvo> @pilot in
[12:30] <tkamppeter> pitti, I am trying to build GS with liblcms2 on my PPA, all builds fine but d-shlibmove fails: http://paste.ubuntu.com/697232/ How can I fix this?
[12:31] <tkamppeter> pitti, build-depends is liblcms2-dev, I wonder why this debhelper wants to have liblcms2-2-dev.
[12:32] <pitti> tkamppeter: I'm afraid I never used or even heard of d-shlibmove :/
[12:33] <pitti> tkamppeter: perhaps there's an option to tell it that liblcms2-dev is the correct one?
[12:35] <tkamppeter> pitti, it already uses --ignorelibdep
[12:38] <tkamppeter> pitti, seems that only solution ius that I also make a PPA version of libcms2, providing liblcms2-2-dev in addition, as liblcms2-dev is a non-standard.
[12:39] <pitti> tkamppeter: liblcms2-dev is a standard name
[12:39] <tkamppeter> pitti, so the bug is in d-shlibmove and/or using d-shlibmove is a non-standard.
[12:40] <pitti> right, or the invocation of d-shlibmove needs to be updated for lcms2
[12:52] <didrocks> mvo: thanks for the apt fix!
[13:08] <xranby> hi i would like to package a Upstart script that enables zram swap on bootup  for low ram systems such as the ac100 laptop. any pointers where to begin?  create a package and upload it to a private ppa?
[13:08] <xranby> i have currently only uploaded the script to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TEGRA/AC100?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=zramswap.conf
[13:09] <xranby> it are based on the script provided from http://weirdfellow.wordpress.com/2011/05/04/compressed-ram-with-zram/   and altered to only allicate half of available ram for zram http://weirdfellow.wordpress.com/2011/05/04/compressed-ram-with-zram/
[13:25] <mterry> @pilot in
[13:29] <mterry> mvo, hi!  we're both pilots, which stuff are you doing, so I can avoid it?
[13:30] <mvo> mterry: I can take a pilot break now, I just got a s-c bug assigned so that should be fine
[13:30] <mvo> @pilot out
[13:30] <mterry> mvo, OK, happy bug squashing!
[13:37] <mvo> thnx
[13:42] <stgraber> SpamapS: hey! can you have a look at bug 856810? I doubt it's related to netcfg of lightdm but looks like related to these upstart network jobs changing recently
[13:50] <pitti> doko: eglibc> where does the huge delta in locale/C-translit.h come from? (not from a patch, inline change)
[13:50] <doko> pitti, it's a generated file, does get built for every build. you can ignore it
[13:50] <pitti> ok
[14:00] <jdstrand> mvo: hey, fyi - it seems that we have another 'apt-get source' bug (859665)
[14:03] <dobey> cjwatson: ping; can you actually upload lp:ubuntu/ubuntuone-control-panel to the archive? seems you merged a fix in a couple weeks ago, but it hasn't actually been uploaded to archive?
[14:05] <cjwatson> dobey: I did (as patch pilot), but it was typographical, so there was no reason to upload right away; it was fine for it to wait until somebody had a better reason for an upload
[14:05] <cjwatson> part of the point of using branches is that we don't need to upload on every change :-)
[14:05] <dobey> oh ok
[14:10] <mvo> thanks jdstrand - I check it out
[14:11] <hunger> Are you guys still in the plan wrt. the oneiric release?
[14:30] <cjwatson> hunger: I'm not sure what your question means - could you elaborate?
[14:31] <hunger> cjwatson: Just wondering whether the release might be post-poned.
[14:32] <ogra_> up to beta2 we were in the plan at least :)
[14:32] <cjwatson> hunger: I know of no reason why it would be, at the moment.  Why do you ask?
[14:32] <hunger> Just tried the beta 2 and that made me wonder. Never have seen such a buggy beta release of you guys yet.
[14:33] <cjwatson> Thankss.
[14:34] <ogra_> hunger, you just test the wrong architecture ... use arm... compared to natty the beta is 33.2% less buggy :)
[14:34] <hunger> cjwatson: Sorry. All the betas of previous releases were rather solid. Oneiric is the first I had to remove again since it is plain unusable.
[14:35] <cjwatson> Well, it's not the most productive way to put it.  It's a rather big distribution and you provide no particular indication of which bits are problematic.
[14:35] <cjwatson> (And in any case this is not the right forum for that, unless you have fixes)
[14:36] <hunger> cjwatson: Shutdown not working anymore, random screen freezes, menu not showing up for some apps at all, that gear thing on the far left vanishing randomly.
[14:37] <hunger> cjwatson: ... window manager having to restart, unity dash not opening after a while, ...
[14:37] <ogra_> did you file bugs for all these issues ?
[14:37] <hunger> cjwatson: And all that on a run-of-the-mill netbook HW.
[14:37] <hunger> ogra_: Not yet.
[14:38] <seb128> half of those are known and being worked
[14:38] <hunger> seb128: Good:-)
[14:38] <seb128> bug #854292
[14:38] <seb128> that's the "gear" one
[14:38]  * cjwatson has nothing to do with any of those.  I guess I'll go back to introducing^Wfixing bugs somewhere else.
[14:38] <seb128> is shutdown not working from the login screen?
[14:39] <hunger> seb128: Not even shutdown -h now works:-(
[14:39] <seb128> ok, dunno then
[14:40]  * hunger should probably just file bug reports and shut up to not keep you guys from fixing bugs.
[14:41] <hunger> seb128: bug #854292 is not the one I am seeing. I did not run apt-get or anything.
[14:41] <seb128> hunger, you didn't use update-manager?
[14:42] <seb128> hunger, well it's most likely the same issue but maybe triggered a different way
[14:42] <hunger> seb128: I got the CD and installed that. Logged in and played a bit, starting apps, etc.
[14:42] <hunger> seb128: I did not update... did not notice any updater poping up either.
[14:43] <seb128> hunger, well maybe it has nothing to do with updates, updates seemed something that come often close from the issue
[14:43] <seb128> hunger, but anyway likely the same bug as I said, it might just happen under different conditions
[14:44] <hunger> seb128: Great. One bug less for me to file:-)
[14:45] <cjwatson> hunger: it's not so much keeping us from fixing bugs, but that "your work sucks" is pretty demotivating.
[14:45] <cjwatson> Constructive contributions are way better, and welcomed
[14:46] <hunger> cjwatson: Sorry.
[14:48] <hunger> cjwatson: unity is turning out rather nice in oneiric.
[14:50]  * cjwatson has nothing to do with unity, for the avoidance of doubt
[14:50] <hunger> cjwatson: Just wanted to say something positive, too:-)
[14:51] <cjwatson> I'm not asking for praise either; by constructive I mean helping out with the problems
[14:54] <tkamppeter> pitti, I have a solution for the GS/lcms2 problem: I am removing d-shlibmove. d-shlibmove seems to be rarely used. Only GS and jbig2dec are the d-shlibmove-using packages from the ones whose source I have on my laptop.
[14:55] <hunger> cjwatson: I understand that position, but it is rather hard to debug all this stuff. I can file bug reports, but that is where it ends for me.
[14:57] <OdyX> hunger: filing useful bugs (with as much information as possible, reproducing-steps, precise description of what fails for you) _is_ important.
[15:00] <hunger> OdyX: I know. But I don't think I can provide reproducing steps, etc. :-(
[15:03] <tseliot> pitti: did you see my message about bug #855396 (which is not fixed yet, despite our work)?
[15:06] <jono> seb128, didrocks quick q: have you come across a bug where USB devices (e.g. webcams, headsets) don't appear in the sound settings capplet seemingly after a suspend?
[15:06] <seb128> jono, I didn't
[15:07] <jono> seb128, ok I will file a bug
[15:07] <seb128> jono, seems like a pulseaudio issue
[15:07] <jono> seb128, yup, lsusb sees the devices
[15:07] <jono> I will file it against pulse
[15:07] <didrocks> jono: I didn't as well
[15:07] <jono> thanks guys
[15:07] <jono> will file it soon, on a call now
[15:08] <didrocks> sure, thanks :)
[15:08] <seb128> jono, try asking diwic about it
[15:08] <jono> seb128, will do
[15:11] <pitti> tseliot: ah, thanks; reopening then
[15:12] <pitti> will have a look
[15:12] <tseliot> pitti: thanks (I've also added a log)
[15:19] <SpamapS> stgraber: ack, looking now
[15:22] <SpamapS> stgraber: at the point where that message is displayed, the system is pretty much guaranteed to enter runlevel 2.. so its a bit of a red herring that this message is showing when other things fail to come up.
[15:32] <SpamapS> Hmm... lightdm stop son runlevel [016] , but also starts on runlevel [!06]
[16:24] <jdstrand> bdmurray: fyi, mvo said he was looking at 859665
[16:24] <jdstrand> bdmurray: but I still responded to your question
[16:25] <bdmurray> jdstrand: okay thanks
[17:27] <slangasek> apw: does bug #855764 make sense to you at this point?  Is there anything you would like me to test to help narrow this down?
[17:35] <mterry> @pilot out
[17:43] <slangasek> smoser: hah, so the udevadm settle had *no* effect on finding /dev/console?
[17:44] <smoser> well, 0/329 for control
[17:44] <smoser> 0/500+ for udevadm settle
[17:44] <smoser> so unable to get any real data.
[17:45] <slangasek> smoser: but then 1/1 on each when you ran it on a different cloud?
[17:45] <smoser> but its all just racy. depends on cpu to disk speed ratio.
[17:45] <smoser> right.
[17:45] <smoser> i can setup tests on the cloud where we get hits and try again.
[17:47] <slangasek> smoser: in that case, can I ask you to modify /init in the initramfs to check for ${rootmnt}/dev/console existence right before calling run-init, and if it's missing, to dump /dev/.udev.log to the terminal?
[17:47] <slangasek> I'd like to see what it is udev is doing
[17:48] <smoser> yeah. i can do that. just modify that intiramfs a little more.
[17:48] <smoser> what i did previously was just take the one image and publish a "pure beta-2"
[17:48] <smoser> then i mounted fs loopback and just re-packed the existing initramfs and put it back into the image and published the modified
[17:48] <smoser> so the only file different in the 2 images was the initramfs
[17:49] <smoser> so... i will try to get some runs with that. on the reproducing cloud.
[18:27] <SpamapS> Hrm, so I'm having trouble with dh_python2 ..
[18:28] <SpamapS> When there's only one package in debian/control .. it automatically just shoves all of debian/tmp into the package..
[18:28] <SpamapS> but when there are two.. its not putting the python modules anywhere..
[18:28] <tumbleweed> that's not dh_python2's job
[18:28] <SpamapS> oh, it scans the packages after?
[18:28] <SpamapS> that makes sense actually.. good point
[18:28] <tumbleweed> yes
[18:28] <tumbleweed> also normally when there's only one package, there is no debian/tmp
[18:29] <SpamapS> right, there isn't.. it all makes sense now
[18:30] <SpamapS> was over thinking the problem entirely
[18:30] <tumbleweed> :)
[19:06] <crass> what's the right channel for getting help with a packaging issue for my personal ppa?
[19:06] <nigelb> Probably #ubuntu-packaging
[19:06] <crass> ok, thanks
[19:16] <lynxman> SpamapS: ping
[20:00] <SpamapS> lynxman: pong, sup?
[20:02] <lynxman> SpamapS: hey sorry to bother you, any idea what we're doing about rabbitmq for oneiric? Are we pushing to 2.6.0? Just wondering because I'm maintaining rabbitmq-stomp and rabbitmq-erlang-client and they'll need updating too
[20:03] <SpamapS> lynxman: its way too late for that I'm afraid. :-/
[20:03] <SpamapS> lynxman: if I had been able to jump on it right away it might have gotten done, but that was a month ago. :(
[20:03] <lynxman> SpamapS: cool, no problem at all, was just wondering
[20:03] <lynxman> SpamapS: since there was a bit of conclicting info in the sprint :)
[20:04] <lynxman> SpamapS: thanks for the clarification ;)
[20:05] <lynxman> SpamapS: also if you want I can do 2.6.0 myself and push it in a ppa or something, got used to it
[20:05] <SpamapS> lynxman: have the debian maintainers shown any movement on it?
[20:05] <lynxman> SpamapS: fraid not
[20:05] <lynxman> SpamapS: I can do it and push it back to them though
[20:06] <lynxman> SpamapS: since I'm already trying to push rabbitmq-stomp and rabbitmq-erlang-client back to debian anyway
[20:06] <SpamapS> lynxman: ok, thats fine.. sounds like we should move forward with 2.6.0 in a PPA and maybe help them out if they get stuck with it.
[20:07] <SpamapS> lynxman: ideally you'd maintain them in Debian.. :)
[20:07] <lynxman> SpamapS: heh, I'm trying for mcollective but since I'm unknown in Debian... :)
[20:09] <SpamapS> lynxman: this is precisely how you get known in Debian.
[20:09] <lynxman> SpamapS: I'll ask for some guidance for that then, let me try first to iron out the 2.6.0 properly :)
[20:12] <smoser> slangasek, i was reading back above
[20:12] <smoser>  "can I ask you to modify /init in the initramfs to check for ${rootmnt}/dev/console existence right before calling run-init, and if it's missing, to dump /dev/.udev.log"
[20:13] <smoser> i'm guessing you want to back out the udevadm settle,t hen, right ?
[20:13] <smoser> and basically just panic with more debug
[20:13] <slangasek> smoser: I'd like to see it with both bits present
[20:13] <smoser> hm... but you're very much less likely to see the udev debug if we add the udevadm settle, no ?
[20:14] <smoser> and possibly that would "fix" our issue, meaning you'd *never* see that debug output
[20:14] <slangasek> smoser: I was assuming you'd run this on the system where you got 1 for 1 on failures
[20:14] <smoser> well, its not completely 1x1, but its closer.
[20:15] <smoser> but my argument is still that the udev.initramfs-bottom change will make us not hit the udev debug stuff.
[20:17] <slangasek> smoser: oh, I misread your last comment in bug #833783 - I thought you had said running on CanoniStack, you saw the error both with *and* without the udevadm settle change
[20:17] <smoser> i was not able to add the image on canonistack. i've only ever seen it on the control there.
[20:18] <slangasek> smoser: ok, so testing this fix on CanoniStack is impractical?
[20:18] <smoser> no i think its reasonable. we can test it there.
[20:18] <smoser> the only reason i did not is that ther eis a bug that means i have to tap someone in IS's shoulder every time i upload an image
[20:19] <smoser> (bug 845788 bug 851059 are fixed now, but they're on older version)
[20:20] <smoser> and fwiw, i'm pretty sure that the change that made me *not* see it on my developer system was bug 837100 being fixed.
[20:21] <slangasek> smoser: I would appreciate it if you could test the proposed fix on CanoniStack; I don't want to push the change without some evidence that it makes things better, and so far we don't have any evidence of that
[20:22] <smoser> ok. i'll test there.
[20:56] <kirkland> cjwatson: howdy!  how do we actually take advantage of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=605614 ?
[20:56] <kirkland> cjwatson: ie, how/where do we pass the installing guest the hostname of the rsyslog server?
[20:57] <kirkland> cjwatson: in a preseed or a kernel cmdline?
[20:59] <cjwatson> kirkland: it's been in Ubuntu for years ...
[20:59] <cjwatson> kirkland: log_host= and log_port= on the kernel command line
[20:59] <kirkland> cjwatson: perfect, thanks!
[21:00] <cjwatson> log_port is optional, it defaults to whatever the default syslog port is (I forget)
[21:00] <kirkland> cjwatson: np
[21:03] <micahg> I assume Bug #859223  should be won't fix?
[21:04] <slangasek> micahg: definitely
[21:22] <cnd> I upgraded a natty machine to oneiric, and I no longer have a "classic" mode option at login
[21:22] <cnd> how do I get that back?
[21:23] <jtaylor> there is no classic anymore, only gnome3 unity xfce and lubuntu (openbox + something)
[21:23] <cnd> ok
[21:23] <bryceh> cnd, install gnome-panel
[21:25] <seb128> or gnome-session-fallback
[21:26] <cnd> bryceh, gnome-panel worked
[21:26] <cnd> thanks!
[22:00] <Sweetshark> jasoncwarner_: ping?
[22:17] <jasoncwarner_> Sweetshark: hey!
[22:17] <Sweetshark> Ho!