[00:10] <_Shawn_> thierry, if have a win7 boot disk you may be able to fix it. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-7-wont-boot-the-boot-selection-failed/0542c571-793a-41cb-ad7a-58cba78c9e9c
[00:12] <thierry> About two years ago the automatic startup repair completely wiped a drive when a similar (or same?) issue occured. Prior to the wipe, Windows wasn't able to boot, but Ubuntu still saw all the files. I do not have any way to make a backup...
[00:48] <_Shawn_> Check SATA mode in BIOS?
[01:25] <alexandrdvorkin> hi
[02:13] <alexandrdvorkin> can anyone explain to me how to install a MacBook FacetimeHD camera driver
[02:14] <lotuspsychje> alexandrdvorkin: does your cam work when you launch cheese?
[02:15] <alexandrdvorkin> No device detected
[02:17] <lotuspsychje> alexandrdvorkin: wich macbook model on wich ubuntu version please?
[02:18] <alexandrdvorkin>   Macbook 2017 ubuntu 18.04
[02:18] <lotuspsychje> alexandrdvorkin: system up to date also?
[02:18] <alexandrdvorkin> i think its up to date
[02:18] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate
[02:18] <lotuspsychje> to check
[02:19] <lotuspsychje> can you see wich kernel you are on too please alexandrdvorkin, uname -a
[02:20] <alexandrdvorkin> 5.0.0-31-generic
[02:20] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx
[02:20] <lotuspsychje> alexandrdvorkin: can you pastebin your dmesg please?
[02:23] <alexandrdvorkin> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SxqQQMZJ7y/
[02:24] <aleksandrdvorkin> did you get my pastebin
[02:25] <lotuspsychje> yes ty aleksandrdvorkin watching now
[02:25] <aleksandrdvorkin> k
[02:25] <lotuspsychje> aleksandrdvorkin: are you on a physical install or virtualbox?
[02:29] <aleksandrdvorkin> virtuabox
[02:29] <lotuspsychje> aleksandrdvorkin: that might be the culprit, did you compare on a liveusb?
[02:30] <aleksandrdvorkin> what is liveusb
[02:30] <lotuspsychje> aleksandrdvorkin: when you create an usb with ubuntu iso, you can choose to install ubuntu or try (livemode)
[02:33] <aleksandrdvorkin> so i can insstall the Ubuntu on my Macbook harddrive without Virtualbox
[02:33] <lotuspsychje> yes aleksandrdvorkin
[02:34] <aleksandrdvorkin> but i am worrying to messup the system partition and loose my Macbook OS
[02:34] <lotuspsychje> aleksandrdvorkin: thats your choice to be made of course
[02:35] <aleksandrdvorkin> can the Macbook OS coexist with Ubuntu on the same drive
[02:35] <lotuspsychje> aleksandrdvorkin: i think dualboots are possible, but thats gonna be a bit hard to do
[02:37] <aleksandrdvorkin> i am most likely going to messup the Macbook native system partiton
[02:39] <lotuspsychje> aleksandrdvorkin: not if you try ubuntu live
[02:39] <yelof> definately backup your mac first, requires some configuration to get working. https://www.lifewire.com/dual-boot-linux-and-mac-os-4125733
[02:39] <aleksandrdvorkin> well i have the ubuntu on USB flashdrive
[02:39] <lotuspsychje> aleksandrdvorkin: you can press the special + R (or f) button, to bootup usb's at bootup, then choose ubuntu (live)
[02:40] <aleksandrdvorkin> ALT_R?
[02:40] <lotuspsychje> aleksandrdvorkin: i often install ubuntu on macs that lost official apple support
[02:41] <lotuspsychje> aleksandrdvorkin: yeah try alt R then youl see this: https://i.stack.imgur.com/VHhxc.jpg
[02:48] <aleksandrdvorkin> how do i backup the MacOS ifidont have an external drive
[02:48] <lotuspsychje> aleksandrdvorkin: if you testing livemode you dont need a backup, but if you choose a dualboot, do what yelof adviced
[02:51] <aleksandrdvorkin> well I read the article and i dont have an External drive to make a Recovery HD
[02:52] <lotuspsychje> aleksandrdvorkin: i understand, so your option is to test ubuntu live?
[02:53] <aleksandrdvorkin> well but its the same thing as running it through virtual box
[02:54] <aleksandrdvorkin> I have no problems with virtualbox except maybe that camera isnot working but everthing else works fine
[02:54] <lotuspsychje> aleksandrdvorkin: not really the same no, but its your choice what to do
[02:55] <aleksandrdvorkin> ok let me try to reboot to Ubuntu live on my USB flash
[02:55] <aleksandrdvorkin> be back
[02:55] <lotuspsychje> good luck
[03:00] <lamar_123> where can i post the bug to ubuntu?
[03:01] <Bashing-om> !bug lamar_123
[03:01] <Bashing-om> !bug | lamar_123
[03:02] <lamar_123> thks
[03:02] <lotuspsychje> lamar_123: we strongly advice before filing a new !bug, to first ask your question here, maybe volunteers know its a known bug
[03:06] <lamar_123> @lotuspsychje ubuntu 19.04, hotpulg the HDMI audio Monitor,the pulseaudio can not recognize the hdmi sink status. only reboot the machine the status will correct
[03:07] <juliavmuser> hello
[03:07] <lotuspsychje> lamar_123: journalctl -f and plug out/ plug in your hdmi and pastebin the errors, maybe volunteers might have an idea
[03:07] <juliavmuser> can I ask a question, how can I upgrade my current 19.04 installation to 19.10 and when does the final version becomes available ?
[03:08] <lotuspsychje> juliavmuser: its reccomended to upgrade when final 19.10 is released
[03:09] <juliavmuser> do i have to use an apt command to install the 19.10 ?
[03:10] <thingfish> juliavmuser: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/10/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-19-10
[03:10] <sarnold> juliavmuser: you can upgrade with do-release-upgrade  --- I'm not entirely sure when the final release will be available but "tomorrow" isn't too far wrong
[03:10] <sarnold> juliavmuser: 19.04 should still be supported for another three months or so, so you don't have to do it immediately
[03:10] <saptech> hi all
[03:11] <juliavmuser> thanks sarnold, thingfish . Yap I got mixed with the dates, because at my side of the planet tomorrow is today hehe
[03:11] <sarnold> juliavmuser: oh you're one of those crazy people from the future!
[03:11] <sarnold> juliavmuser: does everyone have hover cars? is food in pill form?
[03:12] <juliavmuser> lol yes, I drive a delorean
[03:12] <sarnold> sweeeeeeeet
[03:12] <lotuspsychje> here its already today!
[03:12] <lotuspsychje> !party | juliavmuser idle here
[03:13] <sarnold> man I'm the only one still living in yesterday
[03:13] <lotuspsychje> lol
[03:13] <juliavmuser> do we know which kernel will be in that release? I used 5.3 at 19.04
[03:13] <lotuspsychje> juliavmuser: lets discuss that in #ubuntu+1 or at the party
[03:14] <juliavmuser> nice I will jump there with my hover-scooter
[03:16] <lamar_123> lotuspsychje: i found the problem exist in the kernel module "snd_hdmi_lpe_audio"
[03:18] <lamar_123> when i hotplug the HDMI audio Monitor, the system can not callback the func "notify_audio_lpe(struct platform_device *pdev, int port)"
[03:19] <lamar_123> i use the Intel Cherry Trail X5-Z8300 platform
[03:19] <lotuspsychje> lamar_123: have you updated your bios to latest? on trails & nucs thats very reccomended
[03:21] <lamar_123> where can i get it? the biso is customized from hardware manufacturers?
[03:22] <lotuspsychje> lamar_123: intel cherry..at intels website
[03:22] <lamar_123> ok, i try it.
[03:23] <sarnold> any chance fwupd or whatever would have it?
[03:23] <sarnold> does intel work with that too?
[03:23] <lotuspsychje> worth a try sarnold
[03:23] <lamar_123> lotuspsychje: the journalctl -f info, is need now ?
[03:23] <lotuspsychje> lamar_123: if you still want to share, sure use a !pastebin
[03:23] <lamar_123>  !pastebin
[03:26] <juliavmuser> thanks again for helping me, I have to return back to the future.
[03:33] <lamar_123> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/b2XMM2BsFF/     i have paste the " journalctl -f" info, and the "pacmd list-sinks" info after pulg in the HDMI audio Monitor
[03:44] <bsmith093> i have a really weird issue. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MD6tZsHvCh/ evidently my laptop decided to just suspend itself, even though i specifically switched all the power management settings to "do nothing"
[03:48] <OerHeks> bsmith093, maybe your battery is empty?
[03:49] <OerHeks> whatever settings you use then, does not help
[03:49] <bsmith093> plugged in to ac 24/7
[03:51] <lamar_123> !screenshots
[03:52] <lamar_123> !pastebinit
[03:52] <bsmith093> OerHeks: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MD6tZsHvCh/ thats a kernel log
[03:52] <sarnold> bsmith093: did you happen to tap the powerbutton or an onscreen 'suspend' icon or similar?
[03:54] <bsmith093> also no. although i did just realize that my ac adapter was slightly loose in the socket, so i fixed that.
[03:55] <bsmith093> i"m a dumbass, ingore me :P
[03:57] <OerHeks> :-)
[03:58] <OerHeks> bsmith093, i had the powersocket pluged in, but not in my laptop, checking 3 times the wall socket ... anyway, have fun!
[03:58] <bsmith093> thanks.
[03:59] <sarnold> certainly I wish the *reason* for these things were logged :(
[04:01] <OerHeks> sarnold, line 412 ?
[04:01] <OerHeks> PM: suspend entry (deep)
[04:01] <sarnold> OerHeks: that's *what* it is doing, not *why* it is doing it
[04:02] <OerHeks> ah ic
[04:03] <sarnold> OerHeks: the why would be "power buytton was pushed" or "requested by uid 1000 pid 10234 comm="gnome-susp"" or who knows what. *something*. anything. :)
[04:30] <chieta> is $ apt dist-upgrade resumable if we interrupt it? https://dpaste.de/7LnJ
[04:32] <OerHeks> apt install -f # or run just dist-upgrade again?
[04:33] <chieta> OerHeks  i don't want to re-download it again
[04:37] <OerHeks> no need to, if the packages are downloaded
[04:45] <Casper26> is there a way to add tls mode in gnome connection manager on ubuntu 16.04?
[05:05] <Cooler> there seems to be some problem with ubuntu https://imgur.com/amHA5km
[05:06] <Cooler> I clicked on "open containing folder" in vscode to open the directory containing a file
[05:06] <Cooler> now even after closing vscode it is permanently stuck highlighting the vscode icon whenever I open nautilus
[05:07] <Cooler> this doesn't happen if I go to the terminal and type "nautilus"
[05:09] <OerHeks> file it as a bug to vscode snap ?
[05:09] <CoolerX> tatertots, well I didn't power cycle
[05:10] <CoolerX> just locking the screen and logging back in worked
[05:10] <CoolerX> now it is back to normal
[05:10] <Cooler> also you can see that the icons have been changed to "large icons"
[05:10] <tatertots> Cooler: can you make the observation after a power cycle or reboot?
[05:10] <Cooler> opening nautilus via the terminal shows the "normal sized icons"
[05:10] <Cooler> tatertots, will try
[05:12] <CoolerX> tatertots, do you why this happened?
[05:12] <CoolerX> know*
[05:23] <tatertots> CoolerX: no, i don't know why it occurred.
[05:30] <CoolerX> ok
[06:59] <Regor> Rhythmbox not supporting .m3u8 streaming .. is there any missing library/plugin Rhythmbox needs ?
[07:10] <no_gravity> Good Morning!
[07:10] <no_gravity> Is this the right way to create an array in Bash? names=( Sue Joe Tim )
[07:16] <EriC^^> no_gravity: might #bash can be more helpful
[07:16] <EriC^^> *maybe
[07:17] <no_gravity> EriC^^: People in #bash are ... how shall I put it politely ... not very polite :)
[07:17] <no_gravity> But I figured it out not!
[07:17] <no_gravity> names=( Sue Joe Tim ); for name in "${names[@]}"; do echo $name; done;
[07:19] <osse> #bash is a cesspool
[07:23] <tatertots> lol
[08:17] <isomari> 19.10?
[08:17] <OerHeks> yes, today
[08:18] <OerHeks> the iso's .. not the upgrade, IIRC
[08:20] <isomari> when will the upgrade be online and what time will the iso's be out?
[08:21] <OerHeks> wait patiently in #ubuntu-releaseparty
[08:21] <isomari> thanks
[08:21] <OerHeks> nobody can tell
[08:27] <isomari> greetings, how do I clear/delete all repo info and caches so I can refresh the whole apt system?
[08:36] <StyXman> my kubuntu won't finish booting because there's an issue with swap and crypto, and now I find that there are no kernel boot options to disable swap. any ideas what else can I try? grub2 works, can I edit /etc/fstab from there?
[08:37] <mgedmin> no, but maybe you can from the initramfs environment
[08:37] <tarzeau> StyXman: no but you can maybe boot with init=/bin/bash and remount -o remount,rw / then edit fstab?
[08:37] <StyXman> ah, right
[08:38] <mgedmin> btw does the rescue mode from the grub boot menu fail to boot as well?
[08:43] <StyXman> didn't try
[08:45] <glitchd> can someone possibly answer a question regarding lxdm?
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> !ask | glitchd
[08:46] <glitchd> lotuspsychje, i didnt want to ask and get told to go elsewhere and find info.
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> nobody said you need to ask elsewhere
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> glitchd: we just need a question first
[08:49] <glitchd> what im trying to do is put together a script of some kind to enter my password on the login screen. i dont want to use autologin, since the machine is strictly use to listen to music via pithos. however if i use the native autologin feature, it asks me for my password when starting pithos, it only does that because im using the autologin feature.
[08:50] <mgedmin> so, it's asking for the password because it needs to unlock your login keyring
[08:50] <mgedmin> you can change the login keyring password to an empty string, which will mean two things
[08:50] <mgedmin> (1) no password prompts after autologin, and (2) all your saved passwords are sitting in plain text on the hard disk, so don't let the machine get stolen
[08:51] <mgedmin> I use an ubuntu laptop for this kind of home media PC experience; autologin works great for me
[08:51] <glitchd> mgedmin, well, like i said, this is an extra machine that i use strictly to listen to music from. no sensitive info is on the machine whatsoever.
[08:51] <mgedmin> I believe you can change the keyring password with seahorse?
[08:51] <ubuking> HELLO
[08:52] <ubuking> I have QUESTION !
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> ubuking: and you can ask it
[08:52] <ubuking> I have NEW PC (amd ryzen 3900x with 32 gb Memory)
[08:52] <ubuking> should i take 18.04 or 19.10??
[08:53] <ubuking> and which DE?
[08:53] <glitchd> personally, i would go with the lts 18.04.3
[08:53] <esro> release hour ?
[08:53] <ubuking> glitchd thanks… which DE??
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> !party | esro
[08:53] <OerHeks> esro, today.
[08:54] <glitchd> ubuking, whichever you prefer.
[08:54] <ubuking> not sure like all
[08:54] <ubuking> which do you like ??
[08:54] <esro> i know its today, but its today for me already. so when is today for uplooaders
[08:54] <esro> ?
[08:55] <glitchd> ubuking, i usually use xfce personally
[08:55] <ClawOfLight> Hi! is there an ubuntu-based live iso that boots with SSH login enabled?
[08:55] <ubuking> thanks !
[08:55] <OerHeks> ClawOfLight, no.
[08:55] <ubuking> you can enable it ClawOfLight
[08:55] <ubuking> sudo passwd root
[08:55] <OerHeks> ignore the troll
[08:55] <ClawOfLight> ^^
[08:56] <ClawOfLight> I'd like to have a maintenance option for a server without terminal access.
[08:56] <ubuking> which troll OerHeks?
[08:56] <OerHeks> ClawOfLight, the only version that gives ssh *after* install, is ubuntu-core
[08:56] <ClawOfLight> It doesn't have integrated graphics, so I would need to *install a GPU* just to attach a terminal....
[08:57] <ClawOfLight> OerHeks: ubuntu server has an option to enable ssh after install, it can even pull your public key from github or launchpad.
[08:57] <ClawOfLight> but as I said, I'm looking for a live option.
[09:00] <ClawOfLight> (Something that allows me to DD the boot SSD safely)
[09:00] <OerHeks> i think it will never be, as it is a security risc, for ubuntu-core you need to login online to create a custom iso
[09:00] <OerHeks> but that would not be live
[09:01] <ubuking> which DE you recommend me ?
[09:01] <ClawOfLight> ubuking: brltty
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | ubuking
[09:02] <ClawOfLight> I'm aware of the security risk, but this is behind NAT and firewall, so I don't care
[09:02] <ClawOfLight> I hoped there would be a way to enable that somehow
[09:03] <ClawOfLight> I guess I'll just build an arch iso with zfs and ssh then...?
[09:08] <StyXman> tarzeau: thanks, that worked
[09:17] <glitchd> thx for the help guys, im just gonna live with typing in a password.
[09:30] <k_sze> If I have my master GPG keypair on a removable drive, how do I verify that my passphrase is still correct?
[09:32] <TJ-> k_sze: can you re-phrase the question, it doesn't quite make sense. Do you mean how do you tell gpg to read the files from the removable device in order to check/use the passphrase?
[09:33] <k_sze> TJ-, no I have really kept my master key pair on a removable drive. I have basically never used it since I generated it years ago (I never got to attend any key signing party, so using it was kinda moot). I *think* I have my passphrase in my Keepass database, but I'm not sure if it is correct.
[09:34] <k_sze> Do I *have* to copy the keypair to ~/.gnupg/ first?
[09:35] <TJ-> k_sze: No; see "man gpg" and --homedir and --keyring
[09:38] <statusfailed> Have the text-mode terminals disappeared in 19.04? I can't do ctrl-alt-F[12346] anymore
[09:39] <k_sze> I ... don't quite get it.
[09:39] <statusfailed> I just get either X11 (on 1 or 2), or a black screen (on 3 .. 6)
[09:40] <mgedmin> does pressing Enter help on tty3...6 ?
[09:40] <mgedmin> although I don't need that, I see text logins on all three
[09:40] <TJ-> statusfailed: what GPU is the system using? You should have getty/login sessions on ttys
[09:41] <k_sze> TJ-, suppose I have /media/k_sze/GPG-keys/foo.private.gpg-key and /media/k_sze/GPG-keys/foo.public.gpg-key.
[09:41] <statusfailed> TJ-: ah might be a driver problem then
[09:41] <statusfailed> I've been having them all morning
[09:42] <statusfailed> it's an NVIDIA GTX1660 but I finally got it booting normally in graphical mode so I thought it was working
[09:43] <k_sze> TJ-, those files are ascii-armored versions of my private and public keys.
[09:44] <tommy``> statusfailed: how much for that nvidia?
[09:44] <statusfailed> tommy``: it's a laptop, it's actually a mobileified version of it
[09:45] <TJ-> k_sze: the 'key' thing to undestand is that GPG 2 uses gpg-agent to access private keys, and gpg2 (the program) calls the agent to get access to private keys
[09:47] <TJ-> statusfailed: problems with lac of text console TTYs with nvidia proprietary drivers are not uncommon, usually there is a message in the kernel log from the nvidia driver advising of that. Try "journalctl -b -p warning"
[09:47] <jophish> HI all
[09:48] <tomreyn> hello there, jophish
[09:48] <LuckyMan> So... at what time will the iso land?
[09:49] <statusfailed> TJ-: hm, I don't think it's even using the NVIDIA card actually
[09:49] <statusfailed> looks like it's an onboard AMD one
[09:49] <statusfailed> and ubuntu-drivers devices gives no output
[09:49] <tomreyn> LuckyMan: sometimes between now and the end of the day.
[09:49] <statusfailed> and iiuc it should show the NVIDIA card
[09:50] <tomreyn> (unless it's postponed)
[09:50] <jophish> I'm having trouble using an external monitor on my laptop but am at a loss about how to debug this. After plugging in the usb-c->displayport cable to the monitor and the laptop XRandR doesn't display anything, dmesg does report some changes, but nothing that I can make sense of
[09:50] <LuckyMan> tomreyn, great :-)
[09:51] <jophish> This is the output of dmesg when I connect the monitor: https://gist.github.com/2308dde05e8f7f03c0223e756c1e5f72
[09:53] <jophish> The diff of lspci without and with the monitor connected: https://gist.github.com/85f97d7004bd2fe0003f92247c8d0a41
[09:55] <tomreyn> jophish: you did not tell, but i suspect tthis is ubuntu 18.04? a newer kernel may help there.
[09:55] <tomreyn> !ltse | jophish
[09:56] <hellerz> Hello guys, I'm trying to make a cron job for energymech , here is my cron line: */1 * * * * /home/wood/energymech-master/energymech , after 1 minute I get a new mail and after I open /var/mail/wood I get a line which say init: Couldn't open the file mech.conf , so where's the problem here?
[09:56] <TJ-> jophish: "BAR 15: failed to assign..." means the PCI device was unable to find sufficient free resources in the address map to add the Base Address Register 15
[09:56] <jophish> tomreyn: 16.04 actually (!) I'll try a newer kernel, good suggestion
[09:57] <TJ-> jophish: can you show us "sudo lspci -vvvnnk"
[09:57] <tarzeau> hellerz: where does energymech look for the mech.conf and where is mech.conf with the full path?
[09:57] <jophish> no problem
[09:57] <tomreyn> jophish: oh then you're already on LTSE, i guess.
[09:58] <tomreyn> jophish: i.e., +1 to TJ-
[09:58] <jophish> TJ-: https://gist.github.com/65df98e0ab70c69854c2dac7a71fdc84
[09:58] <jophish> And the diff without and with it plugged in: https://gist.github.com/cf6d21901470d413ab4e0c426d5a718b
[10:01] <hellerz> tarzeau mech.conf is in the same path as energymech /home/wood/energymech-master/mech.conf
[10:01] <hellerz> when I try to run it manually it just run fine
[10:01] <hellerz> but it doesn't run with crontab
[10:02] <tarzeau> when you run it manually you have an interactive shell with environment, in cron you don't have these
[10:02] <tarzeau> hellerz: does the binary/script have an option to take a full path to the config file maybe -c /some/place/mech.conf ?
[10:04] <mgedmin> hellerz: try cd /home/wood/energymech-master && ./energymech
[10:05] <mgedmin> in the crontab file, to change the working directory before running the program
[10:06] <statusfailed> TJ-: I think this is probably the issue: [drm:construct [amdgpu]] *ERROR* construct: Invalid Connector ObjectID from Adapter Service for connector index:2! type 0 expected 3
[10:06] <statusfailed> no idea what it means though :D
[10:06] <statusfailed> I will do some googling
[10:06] <statusfailed> thanks for the journalctl -b warning tip
[10:07] <jophish> tomreyn: Think it's worthwhile to updating the kernel anyway? I'm currently on 4.15.0-65
[10:07] <jophish> I guess it can't hurt
[10:08] <hellerz> tarzeau I tried to run it manually with ./energymech /home/wood/energymech-master/mech.conf
[10:08] <hellerz> and it run just fine
[10:08] <tarzeau> hellerz: then add that full path to mech.conf in your cronjob
[10:09] <tarzeau> hellerz: and it should work :)
[10:09] <hellerz> tarzeau like this? */1 * * * * /home/wood/energymech-master/energymech /home/wood/energymech-master/mech.conf
[10:09] <zen_coder> how do I auto start a script when I login with my user?
[10:09] <tarzeau> hellerz: yes
[10:10] <zen_coder> I created a `autostart` file in the config folder
[10:10] <zen_coder> but it is not executed
[10:10] <zen_coder> do I have to register this file?
[10:10] <tarzeau> zen_coder: what does the script do? i usually use .xsessiorc for that
[10:10] <tarzeau> .xsessionrc actually
[10:11] <zen_coder> it will start a jenkins agent
[10:12] <zen_coder> I use ubuntu 18.04
[10:12] <heller_> damn hellerz
[10:12] <zen_coder> all default, gnome desktop
[10:12] <heller_> your making me highligh :D
[10:13] <tomreyn> jophish: i think it's worthwhile upgrading the ubuntu release.
[10:14] <hellerz> tarzeau still doesn't work
[10:15] <hellerz> heller_ you should your nickname then =p
[10:15] <hellerz> change your nickname*
[10:16] <mgedmin> zen_coder: ~/.config/autostart/ is supposed to have .desktop files; it sounds like you tried to place a shell script in there?
[10:16] <hellerz> mgedmin you mean to change the cron line to look like this? */1 * * * * cd /home/wood/energymech-master && ./energymech
[10:16] <zen_coder> what are .desktop file?
[10:16] <mgedmin> hellerz: yes
[10:17] <mgedmin> zen_coder: https://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/
[10:17] <jophish> tomreyn: yeah, I probably should. I'll try a live disk
[10:17] <hellerz> mgedmin ya it works like a charm now
[10:17] <hellerz> thank you : )
[10:17] <tomreyn> zen_coder: https://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/
[10:18] <mgedmin> zen_coder: usually you'd find the desktop file shipped by the application you want to launch and copy/symlink that
[10:18] <mgedmin> zen_coder: apps install their desktop files in /usr/share/applications/
[10:19] <tomreyn> zen_coder: for autostarting processes from .desktop files on desktop start: https://specifications.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-latest.html
[10:20] <jadde> Hi all, I need hel pleas!
[10:20] <soulisson> Hi, Is there somewhere in /proc/sys/ where I can check if NX is enabled?
[10:21] <tomreyn> jadde: hi, help with? are your p and e key unreliable?
[10:21] <jadde> I need help please! My mouse and keyboard get really slow
[10:21] <tomreyn> !details | jadde
[10:21] <jadde> htop doesn't show intensive cpu process
[10:22] <hellerz> mgedmin btw, It run the script multiple times by that line
[10:22] <jadde> if I move the mouse around, the mouse pointer goes slow
[10:22] <tomreyn> soulisson: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -i nx
[10:23] <tomreyn> actually no need fo r-i
[10:23] <tomreyn> actually no need for -i (to grep)
[10:23] <jadde> if I tap keys on the keyboard in a fast way, only few of them are printed on screen
[10:23] <soulisson> tomreyn, is there a way to disable it?
[10:23] <jadde> ubuntu 16.04
[10:23] <tomreyn> soulisson: maybe on your bios configuration screen.
[10:24] <soulisson> tomreyn, ok, thanks
[10:25] <hellerz> mgedmin I need it to run only once and run it again if it get killed
[10:25] <tomreyn> jadde: have you rebooted since this started happening, and did it help temporarily? is this a new ubuntu 16.04 installation? if not, what may have changed that introduced this problem?
[10:26] <mgedmin> hellerz: write a systemd unit file
[10:28] <jadde> I'm sorry but I haven't done anythig
[10:28] <tommy``> I'm experiencing a very slow boot and this seems the issue: https://imgur.com/a/SXS7W2Y any ideas?
[10:30] <tomreyn> jadde: maybe try a reboot then, it may already help.
[10:32] <tomreyn> jadde: if you'd like to examine what happened afterwards, you can still have a look at /var/log/syslog*
[10:34] <hellerz> mgedmin that's crontab alternative?
[10:34] <jadde> is there any software to read syslog in a   coloured way
[10:35] <tarzeau> jadde: lolcat /var/log/syslog ?
[10:35] <Ben64> good answer
[10:37] <jophish> Tomreyn, I get an identical result with the 19.04 live disk sadly
[10:38] <tomreyn> jophish: can you post    journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999   from one of the two systems?
[10:39] <jophish> Tomreyn https://termbin.com/ixw5
[10:45] <tomreyn> jophish: the nouveau (open source nvidia graphics driver) module keeps stalling occasionally since this system was booted. have you considered (A) using ubuntu-drivers to install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, (B) a bios upgrade?
[10:46] <mgedmin> hellerz: crontab is for when you want to run some task periodically; some people use it as a (pretty poor) service management alternative
[10:46] <jophish> Tomreyn, not sure I can use the nvidia drivers on this live disk, but I was using them on 16.04 without success.
[10:46] <jophish> Hopefully I can upgrade the bios without windows
[10:46] <mgedmin> hellerz: systemd is a proper service manager that can run a thing and restart it on failures
[10:47] <hellerz> mgedmin ah I see
[10:47] <tomreyn> jophish: i see. the latest bios upgrade is at https://www.dell.com/support/home/uk/en/ukbsdt1/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=m6jtg&oscode=wt64a&productcode=xps-15-9560-laptop
[10:47] <hellerz> mgedmin I'm trying figure out how to do it
[10:47] <jophish> Thanks!
[10:47] <hellerz> trying to*
[10:49] <mgedmin> hellerz: https://www.shellhacks.com/systemd-service-file-example/ seems a reasonable starting point
[10:49] <hellerz> mgedmin ya I'm there thank you
[10:51] <mgedmin> hellerz: you'll want [Service] to have ExecStart=/home/wood/energymech-master/energymech, and a User=wood, and a WorkingDirectory=/home/wood/energymech-master
[10:51] <zzlatev> I run a memtest and while it work I can't do nothing. I don't know if it's normal
[10:51] <mgedmin> zzlatev: it is normal
[10:51] <zzlatev> OK
[10:51] <zzlatev> thank you
[10:52] <tarzeau> i've found memtester be reliable too to find mem problems
[10:52] <zzlatev> any idea why writes in swap?
[10:53] <zzlatev> I'm with a new ssd hdd
[10:53] <tomreyn> jophish: so your current bios version (1.4.0 08/23/2017) is rather old, it's well possible (but also not guaranteed) that the newer bios version will provide better support for usb-c bridged displayport. i think you should also consider upgrading to 18.04, though, since this will generally provide a newer X stack and access to a newer proprietary nvidia driver version.
[10:54] <zzlatev> https://ibb.co/Ycj06qJ
[10:54] <zzlatev> Constantly slowing down and hammering.
[10:55] <zzlatev> freezing
[10:58] <zzlatev> guys, can you help me to find some channel where someone could help me? I don't know if ubuntu has something with my problem.
[10:58] <duncan-nz> sorry to bring a contentious topic. I'm having problem s with a slow-to-start system. One of the suggestions made on this channel is to remove snaps. Why should that be necessary?
[10:59] <duncan-nz> zzlatev, you're in the right place for ubuntu support
[10:59] <duncan-nz> zzlatev, so just state your problem and be patient
[10:59] <zzlatev> yes, but I don't know if ubuntu is the problem...
[11:00] <duncan-nz> just to clarify, i understand why snaps are necessarily slower, but why would they be affecting my start-up times?
[11:00] <duncan-nz> zzlatev, can't help you without trying
[11:00] <zzlatev> yes
[11:01] <tomreyn> zzlatev: what is the problem you're trying to solve?
[11:02] <tomreyn> zzlatev: the amount of swap being in use?
[11:03] <tomreyn> zzlatev: the system being slow and unresponsive?
[11:03] <zzlatev> the system being slow and responsive - very well said
[11:04] <duncan-nz> tomreyn, hi there.
[11:05] <tomreyn> zzlatev: how much RAM does this system have physically inustalled and available? if you don't know, please run:   free -hm 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:05] <tomreyn> duncan-nz: hi there
[11:06] <zzlatev> tomreyn, thank you - https://termbin.com/e7yz6
[11:07] <kandinski> hi, I had to fix a bad ubuntu install and somehow I managed to remove the gnome3 packages fo displaying battery and networking on the top right corner of what I guess is called gnome-shell
[11:07] <kandinski> this is ubuntu 18.04, and Iguess I'm asking what is it that I have to reinstall and reactivate so I can have networking on the top right corner again. Right now the computer starts up and there's no network, and I have to run dhclient by hand before it has an IP
[11:07] <tomreyn> duncan-nz: the more processes starting up at boot the slower the boot process. i don't think snaps are the main issue causing your (perceived?) slow boot, but they can contribute to it, since they need to be mounted during boot (which doesn't actually take long, usually less than a second per snap, but can add up)
[11:09] <tomreyn> duncan-nz: so it's well possible there's another issue that's causing your boot to take longer than you'd like it to. i wasn't able to determine which the other day, though.
[11:09] <tomreyn> (maybe someone else can?)
[11:10] <hellerz> mgedmin I'm doing it right? https://gyazo.com/42adb8333b8936e714bbd6be55ad8cce
[11:10] <tomreyn> zzlatev: so this system has a total of 4 GB RAM installed, the minimum requirement for ubuntu 18.04 and newer (which i assume you are running there?)
[11:10] <duncan-nz> tomreyn, i just didn't realize that snaps need to interact with the system at all until they are called. As far as I have been able to conclude from doing a small amount of ready I should only prefer snaps if either a. security updates are time critical (browsers) or features updates are needed. Is that correct?
[11:11] <tomreyn> zzlatev: there's a bit of memory swapped out, but not much, and it should not be constantly slowing the system down, so there has to be another resoin if it's constantly slow. is it?
[11:11] <duncan-nz> tomreyn, I've just got the new battery so I will look into the bios update soon.
[11:11] <jophish> tomreyn: no dice after the bios upgrade sadly :/
[11:11] <mgedmin> hellerz: you're missing [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target
[11:11] <jophish> same symptoms
[11:11] <jophish> thanks for all the help anyway :)
[11:11] <zzlatev> tomreyn, like what? HDD?
[11:12] <tomreyn> duncan-nz: personally i'd agree to this conclusion about snaps. i do not know whether cannoical sees it the same way, am worried they may not.
[11:13] <tomreyn> jophish: do consider upgrading to 18.04, though, to benefit from the newer graphics stack, which may enable it.
[11:14] <tomreyn> zzlatev: can you post a system log?   journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:14] <jophish> Will do, thanks tomreyn
[11:14] <hellerz> mgedmin just did it. after doing systemctl start energymech and systemctl status energymech , I got the first line say Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/energymech.service; disabled; vendor pres
[11:14] <hellerz> Active: inactive (dead)
[11:15] <zzlatev> tomreyn, sure thing - https://termbin.com/uv4e
[11:16] <duncan-nz> tomreyn, ;-)
[11:18] <tomreyn> zzlatev: reading, give me a minute
[11:19] <zzlatev> tomreyn, thank you!
[11:24] <funabashi> Hi if i want to send files to lets say 10 nix machines, what is an easy way of doing that?
[11:24] <Cheez> rsync is probably the easiest.
[11:24] <adac> My server gets unresponsive (ssh fails, some apps that run on it are down/not reachable via web anymore) the only errors I found in syslog  at that time were. These are the errors https://pastebin.com/qDqvk2CM
[11:24] <adac> any ideas?
[11:24] <Cheez> it even supports batch mode so you only need to do the calculation of what to send once.
[11:25] <hellerz> mgedmin https://gyazo.com/d4029c754c42913a87463aed2bde8dc3
[11:28] <tomreyn> zzlatev: is the desktop also slow to respond after a full reboot (without suspend)?
[11:29] <zzlatev> what you mean by desktop? browsing folders?
[11:30] <tomreyn> zzlatev: the graphical desktop as a whole. anything that is slow now, is it also slow after a full reboot (and during all the time until you suspend)?
[11:31] <tomreyn> zzlatev: also, do you know what gnome-shell-extensions are, and if so, did you install several on your own?
[11:31] <zzlatev> honestly, after full reboot, it's better
[11:32] <zzlatev> tomreyn, no, I didn't
[11:32] <hellerz> mgedmin systemd[1]: /etc/systemd/system/energymech.service:5: Executable path is not absolute: energymech
[11:32] <zzlatev> I don't know about gnome-shell-whatever..
[11:34] <tomreyn> zzlatev: ok. i do see some OepnGL errors there, but i'm not sure what to make out of them. those errors can be a cause or result of lower graphics performance.
[11:36] <zzlatev> tomreyn, it makes sense
[11:36] <phzx> Hello
[11:37] <zzlatev> tomreyn, some kind of hdd test maybe?
[11:37] <hellerz> mgedmin is it something to do with permissions ?
[11:37] <phzx> I have a problem i cant figure out, i thought maybe someone here could help so i'll give it a shot
[11:37] <zzlatev> I don't know now really...
[11:38] <tomreyn> zzlatev: there's are also some acpi issues when waking from suspend, which is why i asked about the difference.
[11:38] <phzx> so my teacher tells me to study the file /boot/grub/grub.cfg and then restart my computer, open the grub console, and then manually run all the commands to start my operating system
[11:38] <phzx> so i study the file, run the commands i think would work, and i got so far to get it running without GUI
[11:39] <phzx> but i cannot figure out the GUI
[11:39] <tomreyn> zzlatev: have you considered a bios upgrade for your this Aspire E5-511, BIOS V1.03 05/16/2014
[11:39] <phzx> and i cannot figure out why the fuck hes making me do this, but here we are
[11:39] <phzx> as far as my understanding goes in the file i can see under my Ubuntu option all the commands run when chosen
[11:39] <jcrypt> phzx: Sounds of frustration; I just joined. What's up?
[11:40] <phzx> i quote "so my teacher tells me to study the file /boot/grub/grub.cfg and then restart my computer, open the grub console, and then manually run all the commands to start my operating system"
[11:40] <zzlatev> tomreyn, I don't know how to do that, unfortunately
[11:40] <phzx> thats all fine
[11:40] <phzx> and i got it running without GUI
[11:41] <phzx> but i cannot get it to boot with GUI and im not sure what im missing here
[11:41] <jcrypt> phzx: I assume it boots to the graphical mode if you don't do things manually?
[11:41] <tomreyn> zzlatev: it would require a windows installation to do it the way acer supports it. unless you have one, let's ignore this for now.
[11:41] <phzx> yes, there is nothing wrong with my installation
[11:42] <jcrypt> phzx: Oh, I wasn't saying there was. Just making sure I understand the situation.
[11:42] <zzlatev> tomreyn, I don't have windows.
[11:42] <zzlatev> OK, I have to go to work. Can I touch with you later today or tomorrow?
[11:42] <mgedmin> hellerz: ?
[11:42] <phzx> i run the commands from the file. recordfail. savedefault. load_video. gfxmode $linux-gfx_mode.
[11:42] <phzx> i insert mods
[11:42] <tomreyn> zzlatev: if you later change your mind, they're listed at https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/support-product/5394?b=1  (maybe set a bookmark?) - note they're *not* listed in release order (the top most listed entry is not the latest)
[11:43] <jcrypt> phzx: I want you to try something for me.
[11:43] <phzx> insmod gzio, insmod xzio, insmod lzopio
[11:43] <jcrypt> phzx: At the end of the "linux" line, add this: "systemd.unit=graphical.target"
[11:43] <phzx> insmod part ms_mod. insmod ext2.
[11:43] <phzx> hmm okay
[11:43] <jcrypt> Actually, wait.
[11:43] <jcrypt> That target may not exist.
[11:43] <phzx> because the end i think i got figured, i just chose what dist, mount the dist and the boot the system
[11:44] <zzlatev> tomreyn, do you think that the upgrade could help on perfomance?
[11:44] <jcrypt> phzx: Which version of Ubuntu?
[11:44] <phzx> there it freezes
[11:44] <phzx> bionic
[11:44] <phzx> no custom
[11:44] <phzx> except the usual gui stuff
[11:44] <jcrypt> phzx: Okay, let me take a look and make sure that target *actually* exists before I send you off to do dumb things.
[11:44] <phzx> look at the file to start off with
[11:44] <jcrypt> phzx: You could help me, if the system is booted.
[11:45] <phzx> i think this is a weird task because why would anyone ever have the need to do it
[11:45] <jcrypt> Knowing how to work with grub is incredibly useful for system recovery.
[11:45] <phzx> that i can agree with
[11:45] <phzx> but recovery is one thing, starting my already working system
[11:45] <phzx> there is a button for that :D
[11:45] <tomreyn> zzlatev: it *may* fix problems which occur when the system returns from suspend. but less likely in fresh boot operation on this system.
[11:46] <zzlatev> tomreyn, OK, thank you for everything, really!
[11:46] <zzlatev> Have a nice day
[11:46] <tomreyn> zzlatev: if you can be more specific on what is slow, this could help targetting it better
[11:46] <phzx> and i also have this feeling it shouldnt be that complicated, in the boot file there are an abundance of commands but if i just use the ones i need i dont think its all required
[11:46] <zzlatev> everything - hexchat, skype, viber, browser
[11:47] <ioria> phzx, ls -l  /lib/systemd/system/default.target    will return your default target  (multi-user or graphical)
[11:47] <tomreyn> zzlatev: maybe you can work on a tty for a few minutes and see whether you can work fine there.
[11:47] <tomreyn> !tty | zzlatev
[11:47] <jcrypt> phzx: Oh - you are loading the initramfs, right?
[11:48] <tomreyn> zzlatev: this really only makes sense if you have experience with working on a temrinal, though
[11:49] <tomreyn> zzlatev: output from "ls -l" should be instant there. also "touch /tmp/test" should return instantly
[11:49] <jcrypt> Unrelated: Eagerly awaiting the eoan release.
[11:49] <EriC^^> phzx: it's incredibly useful if you want to understand how ubuntu boots
[11:49] <jcrypt> ubootu
[11:50] <EriC^^> :P
[11:50] <tomreyn> zzlatev: i'll be back in ~5-10 minutes (feel free to wait or leave, as you need)
[11:50] <phzx> as i understand it i first run through some commands with are relatively random except when i load the video. then i insert mods because of some msdos cooperation in my system and then i identify and mount the kernel and run
[11:50] <phzx> initrd
[11:51] <phzx> in my mind if things very just wonderful the only things needed done would be
[11:51] <kandinski> I had an issue with inconsistent package state on an 18.04 install which I fixed by uninstalling Python, and after fixing the inconsistent state I find I did something to the networking, and now I see two symtoms: 1) eth0 doesn't acquire IP on startup, I have to run dhclient manually. 2) Gnome-shell doesn't show the network icons on the top right corner of ghome-shell, despite having installed the
[11:51] <phzx> load_video
[11:51] <kandinski> ubuntu-ghome-desktop metapackage with the --reinstall switch.
[11:51] <phzx> gfkmode $linux-gfx_mode
[11:51] <phzx> gfx*
[11:52] <kandinski> Could anyone please help me recover this install? I'd rather not have to scupper it and reinstall.
[11:52] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:52] <phzx> all insmod (could you break it with too many?)
[11:52] <phzx> set_root
[11:53] <phzx> and then "linux /boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-65-generic root=UUID=eb66acc8-347e-4cbe-9587-33a753bf1f9 ro quiet splash $vt_handoff
[11:53] <phzx> and finally initrd /boot/initrd.img-4.15.0-65-generic
[11:53] <phzx> boot
[11:54] <phzx> but maybe im not getting the whole picture here
[11:55] <EriC^^> phzx: how would you make a reverse microwave, that's the real question
[11:55] <phzx> well i can answer you that
[11:55] <phzx> its called a cooler box or whatever
[11:55] <phzx> you have a box with ice packs in it
[11:55] <phzx> now you answer my problem xD
[11:55] <jcrypt> EriC^^: I think that would be a macrowave.
[11:56] <phzx> interesting twist
[11:56] <EriC^^> A+ for effort
[11:56] <phzx> a macrowave would be long wave radiation
[11:56] <phzx> im no expert but i think that means death
[11:56] <phzx> sooner or later
[11:56] <ioria> kandinski, if you use gnome-shell the proper pkg is not ubuntu-gnome-desktop, but just 'ubuntu-desktop'; i might suggest sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop^   (-> with the caret); but if you did something weird with python not sure it will work
[11:57] <EriC^^> phzx: what do you need to know about grub?
[11:57] <jcrypt> phzx: Nah. Long-wave radiation is just radio waves.
[11:57] <phzx> how i start my operating system with full GUI by opening the grub command line and entering every command needed with my poor fingers
[11:57] <phzx> thank you education <3...
[11:58] <phzx> jcrypt, cool maybe it does something safe and awesome then
[11:58] <mgedmin> kandinski: is network-manager-gnome installed?
[11:58] <phzx> i doubt it would make things cooler though
[11:58] <phzx> like more cold
[11:58] <plumbe0> Hi. Until this morning my manual ipv4 wired lan connection worked perfectly, then suddenly (i can't recall doing anything network related on the machine) it stopped working and i could not reach internet anymore and other hosts in the lan couldn't ssh into the machine or reach the services exposed by it. if i set the connection to be automatic
[11:58] <plumbe0> everything works fine, but i need a static local ip
[11:59] <EriC^^> phzx: the stuff you need usually is just "insmod ext2" (to insert the module for ext*) and set root='(....)' to tell grub what the root is, then specify kernel and options and initrd, you have it down
[11:59] <EriC^^> if you do those it should boot to a gui
[12:00] <ioria> unless he set the default target to multi-user
[12:00] <phzx> let me show you soon exactly what i've tried and you can tell me if ive done it right or wrong, i should just make it in a link so i wont spam this chat
[12:00] <kandinski> ioria, thanks
[12:00] <ioria> ok
[12:00] <kandinski> mgeadmin: yes
[12:01] <EriC^^> phzx: there is a way to cool stuff down, it involves shooting lasers with specific properties to slow down incoming atoms, it's not really feasible as a commercial 'reverse microwave' though
[12:01] <EriC^^> phzx: alright, sounds good
[12:02] <absence> a default install of ubuntu 19.04 has missing glyps for some web sites that use unicode symbols. what do i need to install to fix it?
[12:02] <Intelo> Can anyone tell whats the version of nodejs in ubuntu 16 LTS?
[12:03] <mgedmin> kandinski: if you open the system preferences from the top-right menu, can you see and connect to wireless networks there?
[12:03] <mgedmin> kandinski: wait, or are we talking about wired etherner?
[12:03] <EriC^^> !info nodejs xenial | Intelo
[12:04] <jStefan> absence, I believe this to be a per-font thing. You'd have to try a different font?
[12:04] <Intelo> EriC^^,  I need v6+ . preferebly 10. How can I get it?
[12:04] <kandinski> mgedmin: no, I can't see any networking status, whether I click on the top right menu or just look at the taskbar. Yes, talking about wired ethernet.
[12:04] <absence> jStefan: i'm not a web developer, it's not my web site
[12:04] <EriC^^> Intelo: developer's site i guess?
[12:05] <Intelo> EriC^^, node application
[12:05] <absence> jStefan: most likely i'm missing some kind of unicode fallback font
[12:05] <EriC^^> Intelo: it says v8 in the description above, not sure if that's what you mean
[12:05] <mgedmin> kandinski: if you run nmcli in a terminal, what does it say about eth0?
[12:06] <Intelo> EriC^^,  Version 4.2.6~dfsg-1ubuntu4.2 (xenial),
[12:06] <Intelo> EriC^^,  I need 6+ or 10
[12:06] <EriC^^> "evented I/O for V8 javascript"
[12:06] <OerHeks> !info nodejs
[12:06] <EriC^^> ^ that's the version in 19.04
[12:06] <jStefan> Intelo, bionic (18.04LTS) has version 8.10 of nodejs
[12:07] <Intelo> EriC^^,  I have this server on production. I cannot upgrade it
[12:07] <phzx> EriC^^: https://pastebin.com/wUKigN2q
[12:07] <OerHeks> Intelo, oh really?
[12:07] <Intelo> OerHeks, ya.
[12:07] <EriC^^> phzx: link is down
[12:07] <Intelo> OerHeks, upgrade can break few things.
[12:08] <EriC^^> Intelo: as i said, you could maybe download a version from the developer's site or a ppa they give etc, or maybe look into snaps possibly i dunno
[12:08] <mgedmin> you will have to upgrade sooner or later ...
[12:08] <phzx> https://pastebin.com/3xZw0zCB
[12:08] <phzx> works for me
[12:08] <phzx> thats a new one btw
[12:08] <phzx> that also works for me
[12:09] <EriC^^> phzx: odd, i guess it's an isp issue for me
[12:09] <kandinski> mgedmin: it says "unmanaged"
[12:09] <mgedmin> phzx: you misspelled 'quiet' as 'quite' in your paste
[12:09] <phzx> https://textuploader.com/1kqar
[12:10] <Intelo> EriC^^, OerHeks https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/kxjg9zHRSj/
[12:10] <EriC^^> working now
[12:10] <phzx> yeah well i spelled it right when doing it
[12:10] <mgedmin> kandinski: excellent!  this means network-manager is not managing your ethernet, so you won't be able to control it from gnome-shell or gnome-control-center
[12:10] <phzx> ^
[12:10] <phzx> ^^
[12:10] <Intelo> EriC^^,  how to use a ppa?
[12:10] <mgedmin> kandinski: if you want to be able to do that, figure out why network-manager thinks eth0 is unmanaged
[12:10] <phzx> but yes you are correct
[12:10] <kandinski> mgedmin: thanks!
[12:10] <EriC^^> phzx: i dont think you need to put the stuff before the actual menu entry stuff
[12:10] <mgedmin> kandinski: usually this happens when you have e.g. /etc/network/interfaces with hardcoded configuration for eth0
[12:10] <OerHeks> maybe nodejs 10 breaks your productionserver too
[12:11] <kandinski> mgedmin: this is not something I did
[12:11] <Intelo> EriC^^, OerHeks it says 6 is latest, but I still have 4 even 12 was downloaded
[12:11] <ioria> kandinski, you probably set manually /etc/netplan/01-network-manager-all.yaml  then
[12:11] <phzx> where does the menu entry stuff start?
[12:11] <phzx> menu entry isnt a term that tells me much
[12:11] <Intelo> OerHeks, node won't because I know it
[12:11] <jStefan> absence, the website may have a list of fonts in priority order (CSS), you'd have to make sure you have the fonts the designer intended, otherwise you may be already falling back to font they didn't intend.
[12:11] <kandinski> ioria: not either
[12:11] <EriC^^> phzx: there's a typo in insmod ex2 missing the "t"
[12:11] <EriC^^> phzx: also it's set root not set_root
[12:11] <ioria> kandinski,    can you paste /etc/netplan/01-network-manager-all.yaml
[12:12] <kandinski> ioria: but I think I did install netplan at one point, because it was in the dependency mess
[12:12] <phzx> ok fine all that is fine, i had to write this now so i could send it to you
[12:12] <phzx> but i can assure you i spelled it right when i tried it
[12:12] <phzx> and everything was as should be command wise
[12:12] <phzx> otherwise it would have told me
[12:12] <mgedmin> kandinski: that might explain things!
[12:12] <phzx> that doesnt exist
[12:12] <mgedmin> kandinski: by default ubuntu 18.04 installs netplan.io on servers and network-manager on desktops, if I'm not mistaken
[12:13] <phzx> just imagine it as perfect
[12:13] <ioria> kandinski,   netplan is not part of the ubuntu-desktop
[12:13] <kandinski> mgedmin: should I remove then?
[12:13] <phzx> the important part is why doesnt it work
[12:13] <mgedmin> kandinski: if you want to use network-manager to manage your network then yes, remove netplan.io
[12:13] <plumbe0> kandinski: sorry to hijack, what is your problem? i too have a wired network problem and i think it came after upgrading this morning
[12:13] <EriC^^> phzx: if the entry normally boots then it should boot, must be a typo somewhere
[12:14] <tommy``> su
[12:14] <absence> jStefan: i guess it's not the year of the linux desktop yet, huh :P
[12:14] <kandinski> mgedmin: this doesn't seem to be the problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/g85M4zCwT5/
[12:14] <tommy``> wrong window sorry
[12:14] <phzx> i cannot tell you if it normally boots since i havent been able to make it boot
[12:14] <phzx> there are no typos in my syntaxes it would have told me
[12:14] <ioria> kandinski,  you can keep netplan, no issue in there if correctly set : paste ps -A | grep -i netw
[12:14] <phzx> the syntaxes are from the boot file
[12:14] <Intelo> EriC^^, ?
[12:14] <kandinski> plumbe0: wired network is unmanaged, doesn't appear on gnome-shell menu, I need to dhclient manually
[12:14] <EriC^^> phzx: wait, the normal entry doesn't boot?
[12:14] <phzx>    /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[12:15] <mgedmin> phzx: $linux-gfx_mode is also mistyped: should be $linux_gfx_mode
[12:15] <kandinski> ioria:   846 ?        00:00:00 NetworkManager
[12:15] <phzx> in my understanding im trying to run the commands under Ubuntu in my boot file which is the entry i start when i want to startubuntu
[12:15] <absence> jStefan: i don't know anything about css, so i guess i should find a windows machine for reading web sites with non-ascii symbols
[12:15] <EriC^^> phzx: if you press enter over "ubuntu" in grub does it boot?
[12:15] <mgedmin> phzx: and my /boot/grub/grub.cfg computes the value of $linux_gfx_mode before trying to use it
[12:15] <jStefan> absence, or may be a badly designed website, I don't have enough details to judge.
[12:15] <ioria> kandinski,  run from terminal :  nm-applet
[12:15] <phzx> mgedmin that is true
[12:15] <phzx> and that i might have misspelled
[12:15] <phzx> thank you for noticing
[12:16] <kandinski> ioria: it just showed up, thanks
[12:16] <akem> kandinski, maybe network-manager-gnome.
[12:16] <phzx> EriC^^, yes
[12:16] <phzx> ofc :)
[12:16] <kandinski> ioria: says "device not managed" though
[12:16] <phzx> IM NO AMATEUR; WHO DO THY TAKETH ME FORTH
[12:16] <ioria> kandinski,  dpkg -l | grep network-manager | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:16] <kandinski> akem: I have network-manager-gnome running
[12:16] <phzx> but ye im pretty much an amateur :D
[12:16] <mgedmin> vt_handoff is also something computed to either an empty string or 'vt.handoff=1', when $linux_gfx_mode is 'keep'
[12:16] <EriC^^> phzx: it's cause you said you couldn't say if it normally boots :P
[12:17] <jStefan> absence, maybe using browser developer tools you could inspect the element, and see what font it intends to use. Other than that, you'd have to read all the html and css manually, and deduct it from there.
[12:17] <mgedmin> gfxmode is a function defined in my grub.cfg, not a grub builtin thing; it sets $gfxpayload and $vt_handoff
[12:17] <phzx> oh i mean yes it normally boots, i understood your question as does the commands normally make it boot which i do not know
[12:17] <jStefan> absence, it may be as simple as adding a font to your system
[12:17] <phzx> mgedmin, im not even sure what all the commands does my original plan which im still working on is eliminating them one after one once i finally get it working
[12:17] <EriC^^> phzx: anyways, i'd strip down the stuff you're using, you just need "insmod part_msdos" "insmod ext2" set root='(hd0,msdos5)' linux /root/vmlinuz-4.15.0-65-generic root=UUID=eb65acc8-347e-4cbe-9587-33a753cbf1f9 ro quiet splash $vt_handoff and initrd /root/initrd.img-4.15.0-65-generic
[12:17] <phzx> until i get only what i need
[12:17] <phzx> best code no code
[12:18] <kandinski> ioria, thanks for the quick and dirty pastebin trick!
[12:18] <kandinski> https://termbin.com/4gva
[12:18] <EriC^^> phzx: if you want, dont use "quiet splash" and it might show what's happening while booting, if it keeps freezing
[12:18] <kandinski> eoria: everything is ^ii: https://termbin.com/4gva
[12:18] <EriC^^> phzx: make sure that this is in fact the same stuff you're usually using to boot, e.g press "e" over ubuntu in grub and see what's in that entry
[12:19] <EriC^^> kernel uuid etc
[12:19] <EriC^^> phzx: oh wow, typo found
[12:19] <phzx> thank you Eric, and all others, i will try this again in a moment and report back my hopeful success
[12:19] <absence> jStefan: yes, that's what i suspect, but i don't know what's a good fallback font for ubuntu. it's not something users care about, so i don't know why it's not there by default
[12:19] <EriC^^> phzx: it's linux /boot/vmlinuz ... and initrd /boot .... not linux /root/vmlinuz etc
[12:20] <ioria> kandinski,  cat /etc/network/interfaces
[12:20] <EriC^^> phzx: so that might be why
[12:20] <phzx> oh thats fine too, that must be an upload error for your viewing pleasure
[12:20] <phzx> but the other type mr mgedmin said had creedence
[12:21] <kandinski> ioria: https://termbin.com/mlj0o
[12:21] <phzx> erhm, i did not mean that to happen but here you go
[12:21] <phzx> anyways its good you point out the typos, ty
[12:21] <jStefan> absence, most people are fine with A-Z, I'm sure the fonts cover the most common unicode character, maybe the website uses something out of the ordinary.
[12:21] <mgedmin> kandinski: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces too, please
[12:21] <mgedmin> ah I see you did already
[12:21] <kandinski> mgedmin: https://termbin.com/mlj0o
[12:22] <mgedmin> did you do 'service network-manager restart' after all your recent package/etc changes?
[12:22] <phzx> hey can anyone tell me the secret to marking a user like mgedmin:
[12:22] <phzx> ?
[12:23] <mgedmin> phzx: backlog is huge and somebody may have already mentioned it, but set root='hd0,msdos5' looks wrong to me; should be '(hd0,msdos5)' with the ( and )
[12:23] <kandinski> mgedmin: had not, but I just did
[12:23] <jStefan> absence, it's not just a linux problem. There are websites that use fonts that simply don't come as default with an operating system. eg: a website that uses fonts that come only with a particular office suite.
[12:23] <mgedmin> also, what do you mean you want to mark me?
[12:23] <kandinski> mgedmin: and it still says "device not managed"
[12:23] <absence> jStefan: web browsers fall back to system fonts afaik?
[12:23] <phzx> mgedmin, how to do what you just did, mark me so you see my reply in green text
[12:24] <jStefan> absence, i see your point
[12:24] <mgedmin> kandinski: pastebin /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf please
[12:24] <mgedmin> phzx: I mentioned your nickname in my message
[12:24] <ioria> kandinski,  try managed=true
[12:24] <phzx> so if i say mgedmin
[12:24] <phzx> you see it in green?
[12:24] <mgedmin> IRC clients normally highlight any lines that mention your nickname
[12:24] <mgedmin> purple, but yes
[12:24] <phzx> i c, great!
[12:24] <absence> jStefan: so the problem is a missing system font, that for some reason isn't installed by default. trying to install some random ones to see what happens
[12:25] <kandinski> https://termbin.com/krgu
[12:25] <EriC^^> phzx: you can type the first few letters then press "tab" so it autocompletes too
[12:25] <phzx> mgedmin about the () my file doesnt have so its probably not needed
[12:25] <phzx> EriC^^, that i knew except i wondered why mine produces a , instead of a :
[12:26] <phzx> thought i was doing something wrong
[12:26] <EriC^^> phzx: nah, just a client setting
[12:26] <jStefan> absence, the fallback thou is not always 1 option, the website may define various fallback fonts that the system will try to match. One of those fonts on the list may be a font that is not fully developed, not necessarily a default font for the system.
[12:26] <phzx> gon fix that, i prefer the :
[12:26] <plumbe0> Since this morning my homeserver seems unreachable from other hosts in the LAN: i can't ssh into it and i can't connect to the web services it exposes. the error is always "Connection refused". I use a manual wired ethernet connection managed by network manager on ubuntu desktop 19.04. When i set the connection to "Automatic" everything works
[12:26] <plumbe0> again, but i need the static ip.
[12:26] <phzx> EriC^^: there
[12:26] <phzx> :D
[12:26] <EriC^^> xD
[12:27] <kandinski> mgedmin: NetworkManager.conf https://termbin.com/krgu
[12:27] <Intelo> How to add something in $PATH permanently?
[12:27] <mgedmin> kandinski: looks good, and now I'm thinking how to check the other config files in /etc/NetworkManager/
[12:28] <jStefan> absence, the website may have a list like: 1-fancy font, 2-ugly font, 3-generic font. where generic would be the system default, and ugly is a font that happens to be installed, but it's not fully developed. and lets say fancy is not available on a particular system.
[12:28] <EriC^^> Intelo: for 1 user or all?
[12:28] <absence> jStefan: i don't care about what the web site specifies, i just want a font that contains symbol glyphs
[12:28] <Intelo> EriC^^,  al
[12:28] <EriC^^> Intelo: /etc/environment
[12:29] <Intelo> EriC^^,  how?
[12:29] <absence> jStefan: fonts-symbola seems to work. i wonder why it's not installed by default when it solves the problem
[12:29] <Intelo> EriC^^,  I just nano it?
[12:29] <EriC^^> Intelo: yeah
[12:29] <jStefan> absence, can you dm me the website?
[12:29] <mgedmin> kandinski: let's try this: pastebin the output of networkctl list
[12:29] <mgedmin> because it might be systemd-networkd managing eth0, which I think would also make network-manager leave it alone
[12:30] <absence> jStefan: it's https://github.com/dhall-lang/dhall-lang/wiki/Built-in-types,-functions,-and-operators
[12:30] <jStefan> absence, glad you found a fix
[12:30] <mgedmin> (unlikely, since your netplan config showed it using the network-manager)
[12:30] <ioria> kandinski,  change  managed=false with managed=true and   run sudo service network-manager restart
[12:31] <kandinski> mgedmin: https://termbin.com/zzz8z
[12:31] <mgedmin> ioria: eh, /etc/network/interfaces doesn't mention eth0, so why would tweaking the [ifupdown] section in NetworkManager.conf affect anything?
[12:31] <kandinski> I'm sorry, it's called enp3s0
[12:31] <mgedmin> kandinski: that's fine, so when you mentioned eth0 before, you meant enp3s0?
[12:31] <kandinski> I called it eth0 out of muscle memory, but it's enp3s0
[12:31] <kandinski> yeah, very sorry
[12:32] <netcrash> Hello, where is defined the default colors for bash PS1?
[12:32] <kandinski> it's like using "kleenex" for a generic tissue
[12:32] <mgedmin> kandinski: so I get almost the same, except on my 19.04 system networkctl also prints 'WARNING: systemd-networkd is not running, output will be incomplete.' at the top
[12:32] <mgedmin> kandinski: by which can I assume systemd-networkd is running on your system?
[12:32] <kandinski> mgedmin: hmm
[12:32] <mgedmin> service systemd-networkd status
[12:33] <mgedmin> says 'Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/systemd-networkd.service; disabled; vendor preset: enabled)' and 'Active: inactive (dead)' for me
[12:33] <mgedmin> what does it say for you?
[12:33] <kandinski> loaded, disabled, inactive (dead)
[12:34] <mgedmin> k
[12:34] <kandinski> right, I started now
[12:34] <mgedmin> don't
[12:34] <kandinski> OOPS
[12:35] <kandinski> stopped it again
[12:35] <kandinski> loaded, disabled, inactive (dead) again
[12:35] <mgedmin> kandinski: at this point I'm running out of ideas; I'd run journalctl -u NetworkManager -b and read the log messages to see what N-M thinks about enp3s0
[12:35] <ioria> kandinski,  change  managed=false with managed=true and   run sudo service network-manager restart ; you can easily revert it
[12:35] <mgedmin> maybe it'll say why it decides not to manage it
[12:35] <kandinski> ioria: sure!
[12:36] <ioria> do itù
[12:36] <mgedmin> oh, I just realized the current state of /etc/network/interfaces might not match the runtime state in /run/ifupdown or wherever
[12:37] <kandinski> device not managed and also "You are now offline"
[12:37] <kandinski> which is demonstrably false :)
[12:38] <mgedmin> no details?  no reasons?
[12:38] <mgedmin> (have you tried ioria's suggestion yet?)
[12:38] <kandinski> mgedmin: yes, the "device not managed and also 'You are now offline'" was the output of restarting network-manager with managed=true
[12:39] <ioria> kandinski,  revert it to false and sudo systemctl restart network-manager
[12:40] <kandinski> ioria: done
[12:40] <ioria> kandinski,  dmesg | tail
[12:41] <kandinski> ioria, mgedmin, output of https://termbin.com/zzz8z is a lot of info plus these warnings; https://termbin.com/b264
[12:42] <mgedmin> wrong link?  zzz8z is networkctl output, not dmesg; b264 looks like journalctl, not dmesg
[12:42] <kandinski> ioria: dmesg shows nothing new/interesting, same lines as before running network-manager restart
[12:42] <kandinski> yes, sorry, mispaste
[12:43] <kandinski> meant to say: output of journalctl -u NetworkManager -b is a lot of info plus these warnings; https://termbin.com/b264
[12:45] <mgedmin> kandinski: everything looks good to me!
[12:45] <kandinski> mgedmin: I'll reboot. See you in 5!
[12:45] <mgedmin> what happens if you try to enable the wired network in system preferences?
[12:45] <kandinski> hmmm
[12:45] <kandinski> it's not there
[12:46] <kandinski> I see VPN and "Network Proxy"
[12:46] <kandinski> Rebooting now...
[12:47] <ioria> kandinski,  it might be related with those additional pkgs you installed : network-manager-openvpn and network-manager-ssh-gnome  (i don't use them, i cannot tell)
[12:48] <plumbe0> Since this morning my homeserver seems unreachable from other hosts in the LAN: i can't ssh into it and i can't connect to the web services it exposes. the error is always "Connection refused". I use a manual wired ethernet connection managed by network manager on ubuntu desktop 19.04. When i set the connection to "Automatic" everything works
[12:48] <plumbe0> again, but i need the static ip.
[12:49] <mgedmin> plumbe0: how are you trying to connect -- using the hostname or the IP address?
[12:49] <pragmaticenigma> plumbe0: Are you certain that the static IP that you're attempting to assign isn't already in use by another device on the network?
[12:50] <plumbe0> mgedmin: using the internal ip address (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[12:50] <kandinski> hi folks, same problem after rebooting. I'm now removing the extra packages ioria pointed out.
[12:50] <pragmaticenigma> plumbe0: I personally don't set static IP addresses on my servers, instead I configure my DHCP server to assign a static/reserved IP address to a particular MAC address.
[12:50] <plumbe0> pragmaticenigma: pretty sure, the dhcp pool is .128-.254 and only a few devices have static ip
[12:50] <mgedmin> plumbe0: is it in the right subnet?
[12:51] <plumbe0> yes
[12:51] <mgedmin> can you ping it?
[12:51] <plumbe0> pragmaticenigma: i have a crap modem/router from my isp, i wouldn't rely on that thing
[12:52] <plumbe0> mgedmin: yes, ping works fine
[12:52] <pragmaticenigma> plumbe0: You can always place a preferred router behind the ISP supplied one
[13:13] <hellerz> mgedmin did I miss anything? Sorry I was afk
[13:14] <mgedmin> hellerz: dunno, I was afk and got a small flood of your notifications and ended up confused as to the current state of affairs
[13:15] <heller_> argh
[13:16] <adac> My server gets unresponsive (ssh fails, some apps that run on it are down/not reachable via web anymore) the only errors I found in syslog  at that time were. These are the errors https://pastebin.com/qDqvk2CM any ideas?
[13:16] <hellerz> mgedmin ah sorry about that. Here is the current status when I type systemctl status energymech "Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/energymech.service; disabled; vendor presnergymech.service; disabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: inactive (dead)"
[13:16] <adac> Sorry I posted this before but was busy and got disconnected
[13:17] <hellerz> mgedmin note that I don't get any error when I start it
[13:18] <tomreyn> adac: did you check whether you got replies then, though?
[13:19] <tomreyn> adac: this channel is logged to https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[13:20] <mgedmin> adac: can't fork, wow -- the server either ran out of RAM, or a fork bomb of some kind filled up the process table up until the limit
[13:21] <mgedmin> hellerz: does it show any log entries?  maybe pastebin the output of systemctl status energymech
[13:21] <mgedmin> hellerz: also, question: did you run sudo systemctl daemon-reload after editing the service file?
[13:22]  * tomreyn guesses that adac is busy and will get disconnected
[13:22] <mgedmin> hellerz: and another question: did you run systemctl enable energymech and systemctl start energymech? after the daemon-reload?
[13:28] <adac> tomreyn, tahnks will check the logs!
[13:28] <adac> mgedmin, ok I see. Actually RAM should be more then enough but I will add some monitoring now
[13:29] <adac> mgedmin, how can I see if it was a fork bomb?
[13:29] <hellerz> mgedmin I did run systemctl enable energymech and systemctl start energymech after the daemon-reload
[13:29] <mgedmin> adac: I like collectd!  you can come back later and look at the graphs before the crash and see e.g. the number of processes growing up
[13:29] <adac> Mean does it leave traces somewhere in the system/log
[13:30] <mgedmin> adac: atop is another nice forensics tool; it captures system state snapshots every 10 minutes and you can look at cpu/memory/disk io stats and what processes were running/starting/exiting later
[13:30] <mgedmin> with sudo atop -r
[13:30] <mgedmin> (without -r it shows realtime stats)
[13:30] <adac> mgedmin, actually I was in the process of building up Elastic stack with elastic beats, but not finished with it yet. True I could temporarly enable this collectd or similar!
[13:31] <mgedmin> the best thing about collectd is that it works without any setup
[13:31] <adac> mgedmin, awesome that are good advises I will certainly have a look into these tools! thanks again!
[13:31] <mgedmin> well, it collects information without any setup; to view the graphs you need to install a frontend etc.
[13:31] <adac> yes that is what I need then a quick and easy solution like this collectd tool
[13:32] <mgedmin> atop is zero setup, but the 10-minute frequency of snapshots is a bit too coarse, a problem might arise and kill the machine sooner than atop will notice
[13:33] <mgedmin> and it's not a nice to stare at text tables instead of graphs; problems don't jump out at you as much even with atop's highlighting
[13:33] <adac> mgedmin, k that even might be better then in reagrd of confiuration effort. Maybe one can increase the frequency?
[13:34] <adac> true graphics are nice
[13:34] <hellerz> mgedmin here you go: https://pastebin.com/DqersF09
[13:34] <statusfailed> This PPA[1] seems to have a newer version of "nvidia-settings" available, but I don't know how to install it because the name clashes with one in the main repos
[13:34] <statusfailed> [1] https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[13:35] <statusfailed> how do I tell apt to install nvidia-settings from that specific ppa?
[13:36] <OerHeks> statusfailed, as it is newer, adding that ppa and update would install it automatic
[13:36] <tomreyn> statusfailed: that's if the newer version is for your ubuntu release
[13:36] <statusfailed> OerHeks: it doesn't- I've done "sudo apt update" and "sudo apt upgrade" and "sudo apt install nvidia-settings --reinstall" and I still get the 418 version
[13:36] <statusfailed> it seems like there's even multiple versions in that repository
[13:37] <OerHeks> for what ubuntu version ?
[13:37] <mgedmin> statusfailed: for different ubuntu releases!
[13:37] <mgedmin> e.g. https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=disco shows only the versions for 19.04
[13:38] <mgedmin> and you can see that nvidia-settings in the ubuntu archive is newer than the version in the PPA
[13:38] <statusfailed> ah I see!
[13:38] <OerHeks> there is a drawbox for version
[13:38] <statusfailed> yup, gotcha
[13:38] <statusfailed> thanks
[13:38] <mgedmin> statusfailed: also, you can use apt-cache policy nvidia-settings to see what different versions are available from the repos you've enabled
[13:39] <statusfailed> mgedmin: ahh I was trying to find that earlier, thanks!!
[13:40] <statusfailed> so what's the ubuntu version that the nvidia-settings 435 is for?
[13:40] <statusfailed> it says 0ubuntu2, but doesn't have a version number like 19.04
[13:41] <mgedmin> hellerz: it's weird; maybe Type=simple is wrong for energymech?  Maybe you need Type=forking or something?  I've no idea what energymech is or how it works
[13:41] <OerHeks> for eoan, play with the version setting
[13:42] <hellerz> mgedmin I didn't type any Type= on energymech.service file . Btw, energymech is a bot like eggdrop = IRC bot
[13:43] <statusfailed> OerHeks: sorry didn't quite follow you ?
[13:44] <OerHeks> statusfailed, you just look at packages and numbers, first select *your* ubuntu verion in the dropdown menu
[13:44] <OerHeks> and don't try to mix packages from other versions
[13:45] <hellerz> mgedmin after adding Type=simple , status look like this: https://pastebin.com/vKbuTuTy
[13:47] <hellerz> mgedmin changed it to forking and It's active now!
[13:47] <hellerz> thank you mate
[14:15] <hellerz> mgedmin so now I have reboot my server and after it boot , the service didn't run automatically . how can I make it run automatically ?
[14:16] <hellerz> mgedmin I believe I got it, nvm
[14:16] <mgedmin> hellerz: systemctl enable
[14:16] <hellerz> ya thank you
[14:23] <hiig> Hi, quick question. The following link from the Ubuntu wiki gives me a 404: http://releases.ubuntu.com/19.10/ Does anyone have a working link?
[14:23] <hiig> Same as http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/19.10/release/
[14:24] <mgedmin> it's not out yet
[14:24] <JimBuntu> hiig, that link isn't shown in  http://releases.ubuntu.com yet
[14:24] <JimBuntu> Should be out some time today, but could take additional time to be available everywhere
[14:25] <hiig> So I'm guessing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseNotes is just a page prepared in advance, with placeholder links then? Alrighty, thanks.
[14:25] <hiig> I'm probably going to sound impatient for asking this, but do you know if there is a specific time it will be released? Want to figure out if I should stay awake or go to sleep.
[14:25] <ioria> hiig, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[14:26] <lordcirth> hiig, it will be there in the morning :)
[14:26] <lordcirth> Or you can download the daily now
[14:27] <mgedmin> "specific time" is "as soon as it is ready (which means when people finish testing all the images, assuming they don't find critical bugs)"
[14:27] <mgedmin> you can join #ubuntu-release-party where all the users are waiting eagerly
[14:28] <hiig> Oh, sweet. Thanks
[14:30] <hiig> Actually, speaking of the daily, I've always wondered, but never thought to ask: If you download a daily build, would it update normally? Say, I had a daily from a week ago. If I were to apt update/upgrade after an official release, would things still work?
[14:37] <ioria> hiig, yes
[14:41] <hiig> ioria: Righty, so say I wanted to opt in for these daily builds in the future. For instance, if I installed 19.10 now, and then wanted to try the 20.04 daily whenever it gets released. Would I need to wipe and install a fresh copy, or can I just edit sources.list?
[14:42] <ioria> hiig, i guess you can use do-release-upgrade
[14:42] <ioria> hiig, after setting it to LTS (instaead of normal)
[14:43] <ioria> *instead
[14:43] <OerHeks> do-release-upgrade -d = development
[14:43] <OerHeks> don't edit sources list
[14:44] <ioria> hiig, yeah, -d
[14:44] <hiig> Alrighty, taking notes here.
[14:45] <hiig> So now the situation is going from 19.10 > -d > daily build. Would I then need to run that command for every new daily that is released, or would it update as normal?
[14:46] <ioria> hiig, update as normal
[14:47] <hiig> Perfect, thanks for the info
[14:47] <ioria> np
[14:51] <OerHeks> yay, iso's are rolling
[14:52] <JimBuntu> hiig, http://releases.ubuntu.com/19.10/ubuntu-19.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[14:52] <hiig> Cheers, already downloaded at 15%
[14:52] <jophish> tomreyn: Good news, I think it's the cable which is not working. I pulled out a usb-c->HDMI cable and although it doesn't support the screen's native resolution I can get a picture out of through the DP-1-1 interface
[14:53] <jophish> I'll get a different cable tomorrow and check
[14:54] <jophish> Thanks for the thoughtful advice earlier, as a thank you could I donate a couple of bucks to some OS project on your behalf?
[14:54] <tomreyn> jophish: i had noticed that the screen identification had failed for the hdmi screen (returning all zeros), just forgot to tell you that when i had to go.
[14:55] <tomreyn> so this can be the cable indeed
[14:56] <jophish> tomreyn: for any future debugging for me, where in the log is that?
[14:57] <tomreyn> jophish: i don'T think i have the log file opened anymore. if you can get me the link again?
[14:57] <jophish> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/ixw5
[14:57] <jophish> edid for DP-1 isn't even there
[14:58] <timvisher> I have a 16.04 box with virtualbox-6.0 installed on it. I am seeing an error I've never seen before. If I run `VBoxManage --version; read -r foo < <(VBoxManage --version); echo "$foo"; bash -lc 'VBoxManage --version'; IFS='.r' read -ra foo < <(VBoxManage --version 2>/dev/null); echo "${foo[@]}"` I see `6.0.14r133895\n6.0.14r133895\n6.0.14r133895\nUnknown application - us`. If I remove the /dev/null redirection I see an error about ps
[14:58] <timvisher> usage and the following `error: user name does not exist`. I can't find any information at all about an error like that. Anyone have any ideas?
[14:59] <tomreyn> jophish: you'Re right, i must have mixed your log up with one of the others i was looking at today
[14:59] <zzlatev> tomreyn, hey again, is there anyway to do it without windows :)
[14:59] <tomreyn> zzlatev: what is "it"?
[14:59] <zzlatev> the upgrade of bios
[15:00] <OerHeks> depends on the bios version, if it accepts an USB with the update
[15:00] <zzlatev> and is there anyway to test ssd?
[15:01] <amnix> I'm seeing a few articles online about 19.10 having been released but I don't see a download link available on the website. Has it been released yet? If not, when will it be?
[15:03] <tomreyn> zzlatev: the bios upgrade is an "insyde" one. acer only supports upgrading it under windows (insyde provides bios upgrade utilities for multiple platforms, including uefi and linux)
[15:03] <thingfish> amnix: http://releases.ubuntu.com/19.10/ubuntu-19.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[15:04] <tomreyn> zzlatev: i started documenting this here, but it's far from complete, and can't be clamed for bricked computers: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FimwareUpgrade/Insyde
[15:04] <OerHeks> amnix, patience, or use torrents https://torrent.ubuntu.com/tracker_index
[15:05] <tomreyn> zzlatev: there's also a chance that the bios configuration screen offers an option to load a bios upgrade file from a usb key - this would be the easiest one, worth checking (but IIRC insyde bios doesn'T support this)
[15:07] <tomreyn> zzlatev: to get an idea of the drive state, use "smartctl -x /dev/sdX" (replace 'X' by storage ID, "a" for the first sata storage). smartctl is part of the 'smartmontools' package
[15:08] <tomreyn> !smartctl | zzlatev
[15:08] <tomreyn> !smart | zzlatev
[15:19] <zzlatev> tomreyn, ubottu , thank you guys. I will try now
[15:29] <zzlatev> Please wait 10 minutes for test to complete.
[15:29] <zzlatev> tomreyn, but never ends...
[15:30] <tomreyn> zzlatev: so i could guess that what you posted above was not somethign you were telling this channel to do but output sfrom one of the applications you have recently run?
[15:31] <hellerz> mgedmin I need to make it re-run that service when it get killed/crashed , etc . what should I put after Restart= ?
[15:31] <timvisher> For the 0 of you following along at home, the fix was `IFS='.r' read -ra virtualbox_version < <(IFS= VBoxManage --version)`. I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to guess as to why.
[15:31] <hellerz> mgedmin Restart=always?
[15:32] <k_sze> God I hate gnupg2
[15:32] <OerHeks> k_sze, wrong channel, try ##church
[15:32] <k_sze> `gpg2 -K` lists my secret key, but `gpg2 --quick-add-uid` says "no secret key", wtf?
[15:33] <mgedmin> hellerz: probably!  I haven't had to deal with crashing services much
[15:34] <lesshaste> how can I record the time and size of every TCP packet going to/from my PC? tshark looks like it might do it but I don't see how to record packet sizes
[15:35] <tomreyn> lesshaste: make it record fuill packets then you can inspect the size (of those not dropped) later.
[15:35] <tomreyn> lesshaste: tcpdump -s0   does this, i don't rmemeber about tshark
[15:36] <lesshaste> tomreyn, oh that's cool. I am happy to use tcpdump
[15:36] <zzlatev> tomreyn, what I have posted?
[15:36] <tomreyn> zzlatev: <zzlatev> Please wait 10 minutes for test to complete.
[15:37] <zzlatev> yes, when I start with "sudo smartctl -t long /dev/sda"
[15:38] <zzlatev> now when I try again - Can't start self-test without aborting current test (30% remaining),
[15:38] <mgedmin> wow that's fast
[15:38] <doug16k> interesting, my system is showing 16GB memory used, 50GB cached. rounding I guess? Haven't seen cache that big before
[15:38] <doug16k> (16+50 = 66, I have 64GB)
[15:38] <mgedmin> metric vs binary units?
[15:39] <zzlatev> I will wait and try with "sudo smartctl -l selftest /dev/sda" to view the result
[15:39] <doug16k> ya maybe
[15:39] <lesshaste> tomreyn, can tcpdump give you a time stamp too?
[15:39] <doug16k> s/maybe/must be/
[15:39] <ioria> sudo tcpdump -tttt
[15:39] <lesshaste> ioria, thanks!
[15:40] <ioria> ok
[15:40] <tomreyn> zzlatev: good planning!
[15:40] <lesshaste> the first thing I have learned is the large proportion of 0 length packets!
[15:41] <TJ-> lesshaste: do you mean payload size, because by definition a TCP packet has at least its header
[15:41] <tomreyn> zzlatev: long self tests can take a days, though, and the guesstimations it provides on the ETA tend to be pretty wrong. better do a short test in the future, unless you are happy to wait this long.
[15:42] <tomreyn> *a day
[15:42] <lesshaste> TJ-,  I am just reading off what tcpdump -s0 reports.
[15:43] <lesshaste> TJ-,  is that payload size?
[15:43] <zzlatev> tomreyn, it says 10 minutes for long?
[15:44] <doug16k> acknowledgements will often have just IP+TCP header, and no payload
[15:45] <doug16k> must have a lot of one-way TCP streams happening
[15:45] <lesshaste> doug16k, I have much to learn about TCP/UDP
[15:45] <lesshaste> doug16k, it's just my home PC
[15:46] <doug16k> er, mostly one way. sounds like a typical web browsing workload. send a little header, mostly get a huge responses
[15:47] <tomreyn> zzlatev: this appears to be a question even though you wrote it like a statement. i cannot answer this question, since i do not operate the system you are running this on.
[15:48] <doug16k> ...and the huge responses require you to send a lot of no-payload acknowledgements
[15:50] <zzlatev> tomreyn, 2 more minutes ...
[15:51] <TJ-> lesshaste: -s is --snapshot-length and =0 means the default snap size of 256KB
[15:51] <lesshaste> TJ-, ah in it records 256KB worth and then stops ?
[15:52] <tomreyn> zzlatev: please be sure to also report to me when 1 minute is left.
[15:52] <TJ-> lesshaste: no, per packet
[15:52] <zzlatev> tomreyn, sorry about that
[15:52] <tomreyn> ;)
[15:52] <zzlatev> ok, without errors.
[15:53] <lesshaste> TJ-, sorry I don't understand. A packet can't be more than 1440 bytes long I thought
[15:53] <TJ-> lesshaste: the 'length 0" is usually ACK packets and as I said refers to the payload size
[15:53] <zzlatev> tomreyn, Do you suggest to upgrade RAM? And how can I check how much this laptop supports?
[15:54] <jrgilman> I assume that even though 19.10 came out today, we won't be able to do a 19.04 -> 19.10 upgrade just yet? Is there an ETA on that being available?
[15:54] <lesshaste> TJ-,  sure but what does  snap size of 256KB refer to?
[15:54] <doug16k> lesshaste, not strictly true. it will be MTU minus the size of headers, which can vary. if you mean typically, then sure, typically MTU is 1500 (or 1492) and headers are typically 40 bytes, so max payload is typically 1460 or 1452 bytes
[15:54] <lesshaste> doug16k, thanks
[15:54] <TJ-> lesshaste: see https://serverfault.com/questions/976474/why-tcpdump-has-262144-as-default-capture-size
[15:55] <lesshaste> I am still trying to work out how to interpret the output.<PHONE_NUMBER>.244457 IP dns.google.domain > <IP_ADDRESS>.50121: 8754 NXDomain 0/0/0 (45)
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> jrgilman: come join at #ubuntu-release-party
[15:55] <lesshaste> TJ-, thanks
[15:56] <tomreyn> zzlatev: please /join ##hardware for hardware questions
[15:56] <lesshaste> doug16k, how is the 256KB figure compatible with the figures you gave?
[15:56] <tomreyn> zzlatev: the minimum requirement for ubuntu 18.04 and newer with the default gnome-shell desktop is 4 GB RAM
[15:56] <zzlatev> OK, thank you for everything
[15:57] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[15:57] <zzlatev> I have 4GB for ubuntu 18.04 but this is the only thing that might be the problem
[15:57] <mgedmin> lesshaste: <timestamp> <protocol??> <source>.<port> <direction> <destination>.<port>: <data> (NXDomain looks like a DNS response)
[15:57] <zzlatev> Thank you once again!
[15:57] <TJ-> lesshaste: At Thu 17 Oct 16:47:46 BST 2019 an IP packet from dns.google port 53 was received on <IP_ADDRESS> port 50121 and was partially deciphered as a DNS protocol response of NXDOMAIN
[15:58] <mgedmin> 8754 is DNS query ID maybe?  45 is probably payload length?
[15:58] <mgedmin> (why does it say IP and not UDP?)
[15:59] <lesshaste> TJ-, oooh.. so where do you see port 53 in that line?
[15:59] <mgedmin> the '.domain' part, if you check /etc/services you'll see that domain is udp/53
[15:59] <TJ-> "domain" -- use -n and it won't use DNS resolving or service name resolving (from /etc/services)
[15:59] <lesshaste> aha
[15:59] <doug16k> lesshaste, 256KB is utterly pessimistic. it shouldn't need anywhere near that amount
[16:00] <mgedmin> wireshark has nicer UI for inspecting packet contents; you can use tcpdump to record a packet capture file and then open it with wireshark
[16:00] <lesshaste> doug16k, ah ok. thanks
[16:01] <doug16k> default should handle outrageously worst case scenario
[16:01] <lesshaste> I can see I am going to have a lot of fun deciphering this stuff
[16:01] <lesshaste> thanks all.. I may come back later
[16:02] <lesshaste> oh one thing.. I can't see where it says it is TCP traffic. e.g<PHONE_NUMBER>.441002 IP <IP_ADDRESS>.443 > <IP_ADDRESS>.33748: Flags [.], seq 1111381:1112833, ack 1068, win 31, length 1452
[16:02] <lesshaste> is there part of the line that tells me it is TCP?
[16:02] <mgedmin> the seq/ack/win bits imply TCP
[16:03] <lesshaste> ah ok thanks.
[16:03] <lesshaste> what is win?
[16:03] <mgedmin> window size
[16:04] <mgedmin> you may find http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/disco/en/man8/tcpdump.8.html#output%20format helpful
[16:04] <doug16k> neither TCP or IP need to be over ethernet, and the 1500 thing comes from ethernet frames, so the 1500 thing is beside the point
[16:04] <lesshaste> perfect, thanks
[16:06] <TJ-> lesshaste: use "-v" to see the protocol
[16:21] <tomreyn> can anyone confirm that the "sw" mount option for swap devices is no longer used needed on 18.04?
[16:21] <tomreyn> used / needed
[16:23] <ioria> tomreyn, in fstab you mean ?
[16:24] <bilb_ono> what do I do when eog JPG-file-path just hangs?
[16:24] <bilb_ono> this is a jpg file on a mount drive that I am trying to see
[16:25] <bilb_ono> so maybe it could be weird permissions... or something.
[16:25] <bilb_ono> I am root user - using sudo -s
[16:26] <EriC^^> bilb_ono: with gui apps you want to use "sudo -i" or "sudo -H /path/to/gui-app"
[16:28] <bilb_ono> EriC^^, hmm it hangs with those too
[16:28] <tomreyn> ioria: yes
[16:28] <pragmaticenigma> It's also good practice to avoid using root to run application unless it is the only way. If you believe you have a file permissions issue, better to change the permissions of the file than to force an application to run as root.
[16:28] <bilb_ono> file says: /mnt/prod4www/data/FILE_TEST_RECORDS/FD/FD63F8B8-0AC9-4571-8E83-21E5B2C648A1: JPEG image data, JFIF standard 1.01, aspect ratio, density 1x1, segment length 16, baseline, precision 8, 255x255, frames 3.
[16:28] <pragmaticenigma> bilb_ono: Can the file be opened with a different tool or viewer?
[16:29] <bilb_ono> its weird that its 3 frames right?
[16:30] <pragmaticenigma> bilb_ono: There is a format for JPEG that allows for multiple picture format, which allows multiple frames to be placed inside a single image file
[16:31] <pragmaticenigma> they allow things like the original image to be saved with a thumbnail, in the same file
[16:31] <ioria> tomreyn, yeah, not sure it does really anything
[16:42] <tomreyn> ioria: from what i read, it used to be an indicator for init scripts to swapon a swap partition, but current man pages no longer mention this, and the 19.10 desktop installer no longer sets this mount option. so i guess it's no longer relevant.
[16:42] <ioria> tomreyn, yep, itis on BSD maybe, not on linux
[16:42] <tomreyn> well it used ot be set by ubuntu 16.04
[16:43] <ioria> tomreyn, also (by default) on 18.04
[16:43] <ioria> tomreyn, i have it
[16:43] <tomreyn> ioria: on a system installed with...?
[16:44] <ioria> tomreyn, 18.04 media (fresh install)
[16:44] <tomreyn> i see, it was probably missed to be dropped at the time.
[16:46] <tomreyn> the other thing i'm wondering about is the ext4 journal feature "journal_incompat_revoke". i can't seem to find much documentation on it, and see that 19.10 no longer uses it, at least not the one i just installed, but my 18.04 one has it.
[16:47] <tomreyn> dumpe2fs -h /dev/... | grep '^Journal features:'
[16:52] <ioria> tomreyn, i think is a 5.3 kernel feature
[16:56] <tomreyn> ioria: which one? the ability to drop ext4's "journal_incompat_revoke" journal feature?
[16:58] <ioria> tomreyn, idk exactly; but i know that 5.3 brigs an 'EXT4 Speed improvements for case-insensitive look-ups'
[16:58] <ioria> *brings
[17:01] <tomreyn> https://access.redhat.com/discussions/3302541 discusses it
[17:05] <tomreyn> so apparently this is a single (or few) block where information on blocks which used to be metadata blocks is stored in, and this can (or could?) help to speed up file system recovery when needed.
[17:07] <ioria> tomreyn, yes, and replaced by the new feature (that is a also a temporary caching to speed up) : https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=EXT4-Changes-For-Linux-5.3
[17:11] <tomreyn> ioria: i don't think the two are related really. thanks for exmainign this with me, though!
[17:11] <ioria> ok
[17:20] <Gen86> Hello
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> welcome Gen86
[17:21] <Gen86> got a small problem (it's actually xubuntu since old comp) but anyway it's a buzzing from headphones
[17:21] <Gen86> no matter what headphones
[17:21] <Gen86> I only started using linux this year so im still fairly new
[17:22] <Gen86> also don't know if it has to do with me using an old mac that someone was throwing out to do this
[17:23] <Gen86> it was fine it was just old and i saved it with linux
[17:23] <Gen86> I did a "green" thing :)
[17:24] <Gen86> i'm inside the alsamixer thing to see if it was vol and nothin was changing
[17:25] <Gen86> it says my card is hda intel and Realtek ALC889A chip
[17:25] <pragmaticenigma> Gen86: Buzzing in headphones is usually related to a bad connection in the headphone jack, or a bad DAC on the motherboard. There is little to nothing that can be done from the Operating System side
[17:25] <Gen86> Ah ok
[17:25] <Gen86> Ill look at the cables
[17:25] <Gen86> I was just making sure something did break
[17:26] <Gen86> I was a former windows 7 (and windows since 3.1) user i saw what 10 was like and im like screw that i aint installing that
[17:26] <Gen86> :)
[17:27] <Gen86> Ill check my cables and see thanks
[17:27] <Gen86> maybe find another set of speakers
[17:35] <Ilgaz> !mainline
[17:39] <Soul_Sample> Hello! How does one troubleshoot networking when it kind of works? I have issues when downloading updates or using wget or downloading stuff through my browser, the download speed just drops to 0 and eventually times out. Steam downloads work fine, I can watch 5 youtube videos at the same time, torrents download without problems, and my phone doesn't have any issues. I have no idea how to approach this problem
[17:49] <tomreyn> ioria: just in case you're interested, i think i found out about ext4 journal feature flag "journal_incompat_revoke". The code (https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/include/linux/jbd2.h) calls this JBD2_FEATURE_INCOMPAT_REVOKE, it apparently indicates that this file system journal is incompatible with the 'revoke' descriptor block journal feature, so i assume that tune2fs would disallow adding this feature to the existing file system
[17:49] <tomreyn> which has this journal feature flad set.
[17:50] <tomreyn> s/flad/flag/
[17:50] <ioria> tomreyn, yes, is about jbd2
[17:52] <tomreyn> right, it's a journalling feature so this makes sense.
[17:53] <ryuo> Soul_Sample: how reproducible is the issue?
[17:54] <Soul_Sample> ryuo, i'm experiencing it right now, i have a download that stopped at roughly 50% and it's not going anywhere
[17:54] <ryuo> Soul_Sample: can you reproduce it with an apt update?
[17:54] <doug16k> Soul_Sample, I'd look at the percentage of retransmits in `netstat -s|grep segments`
[17:55] <ryuo> I have my own ideas. I've had issues before with bad ipv6 networks.
[17:55] <doug16k> retransmitted divided by sent out should be < 0.02 at most
[17:55] <ryuo> which could explain the differences.
[17:55] <ryuo> but it needs to be tested.
[17:56] <Soul_Sample> i have 503247 received, 493984 sent, 3646 retransmitted, 9 bad received
[17:56] <doug16k> ideally 100x better than that. mine is 0.0015
[17:56] <doug16k> that's good
[17:56] <lordcirth> Just booted 19.10 desktop in KVM; I have to use safe-graphics, otherwise the screen goes black
[17:56] <ryuo> Soul_Sample: can you trigger the issue with an apt update?
[17:56] <ryuo> run from a root shell
[17:56] <Soul_Sample> i'll try now
[17:56] <ryuo> if so i have some ideas to try.
[17:57] <Soul_Sample> well my system is up to date now so it just flies by, but i did have it stop a couple of times, both during update and upgrade
[17:57] <ryuo> as in hang?
[17:57] <ryuo> or just stop to dl?
[17:57] <Soul_Sample> download speed just drops to 0 and eventually times out, i have to run it a couple of times in a row until it fetches everything
[17:57] <ryuo> ok... try this now.
[17:58] <Soul_Sample> same with downloads, when i stop/resume them they continue and finish eventually
[17:58] <ryuo> apt -o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true update
[17:58] <ryuo> erm
[17:58] <ryuo> sorry, wrong order.
[17:58] <ryuo> apt update -o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true
[17:59] <ryuo> does this fair any better?
[17:59] <Soul_Sample> well, as i said, it goes without problems, but it's finished in a second because everything is up to date
[17:59] <Soul_Sample> can we test it using wget or something?
[17:59] <ryuo> maybe? you have any ideas?
[18:00] <tomreyn> lordcirth: which graphics driver? also try assigning more vram
[18:00] <Soul_Sample> no, that's why i'm here. i got used to DNS issues and network drops, but downloads failing is a new for me
[18:01] <Soul_Sample> speedtest also fails most of the time, the download number just freezes until the test times out. but i tried downloading 20gb of overwatch yesterday and it downloaded without any issues
[18:01] <ryuo> Soul_Sample: well, i've known Spectrum as an ISP to have crappy ipv6 deployments.
[18:01] <lordcirth> tomreyn, QXL, 16MiB (defaults)
[18:01] <Soul_Sample> also 30gb of star trek, 3gb of rocket league, the network works fine. it's almost as if http doesn't work right
[18:02] <doug16k> Soul_Sample, try `sudo sysctl net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1`
[18:02] <ryuo> yes, maybe it would be good to switch off ipv6 for awhile.
[18:02] <ryuo> i finally fixed my ipv6 issues but it was a chalelnge.
[18:02] <Soul_Sample> is it enough to just disable it or do i have to reconnect now?
[18:03] <ryuo> disabling should remove the ipv6 addresses
[18:03] <doug16k> Soul_Sample, just try to reproduce it. you have a fairly reliable repro right?
[18:03] <ryuo> Soul_Sample: if this improves the situation then you're facing an ipv6 issue perhaps, but it could also be someone interfering with packets using specific ports.
[18:04] <tomreyn> lordcirth: hmm, could try virtio-gpu
[18:04] <ryuo> it's hard to tell.
[18:04] <doug16k> Soul_Sample, you can add a conf file in /etc/sysctl.d to make it permanent if it works
[18:04] <ryuo> maybe not make it permanent, but it can be useful to find a solution.
[18:04] <Soul_Sample> still happening, i just keep downloading the same 50mb file and it hangs at about the same percentage. i manage to download it every try or three
[18:05] <ryuo> does it use an ipv4 address?
[18:05] <ryuo> anyway, if that's still an issue...
[18:05] <Soul_Sample> should be using ipv4, my interface doesn't have ipv6 anymore
[18:05] <doug16k> Soul_Sample, if you want to *really* disable it thoroughly, adding this kernel parameter should do it: ipv6.disable=1
[18:05] <ryuo> traceroute or ping may be the next step to see if it's an issue with specific routes or hosts.
[18:06] <doug16k> if that works you know it is an ipv6 issue
[18:07] <Soul_Sample> i kept some pings going for a while yesterday, none have failed
[18:07] <ryuo> were they to hosts you've been having troubles with?
[18:07] <Soul_Sample> yes, the same site i have issues downloading from
[18:07] <Soul_Sample> https://signal.org/android/apk/ this is my test file, signal.apk
[18:08] <Soul_Sample> but i had similar issues while downloading other packages from the internet, so it's not just that exact site
[18:08] <ryuo> wait a minute...
[18:08] <ryuo> have you tried this from any other PC on the network?
[18:08] <Soul_Sample> i tried downloading it from my phone and out of 20 downloads, i finished all 20
[18:08] <ryuo> if it's an ISP problem...
[18:08] <ryuo> it should occur similarly on all clients.
[18:09] <ryuo> ... could it be an issue with that machine only?
[18:09] <ryuo> i wonder if you'd still have issues if you tried booting a live cd or so.
[18:09] <Soul_Sample> it's an issue ever since i updated to 19.10 beta, but i figured it would iron itself out
[18:10] <ryuo> ... ok we now know what's going on. it's a regression.
[18:10] <ryuo> when you try a prerelease ubuntu, anything can happen honestly.
[18:10] <ryuo> you may wish to take this up with #ubuntu+1
[18:10] <Soul_Sample> i know, i've been doing it for a while now, but never encountered something i can't even troubleshoot
[18:11] <ryuo> but uh, what hardware do you use to connect to the network?
[18:11] <ryuo> this reminds me of issues I used to have the in kernel realtek driver.
[18:11] <ryuo> ethernet driver
[18:11] <ryuo> with the*
[18:12] <Soul_Sample> it says  Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection, ASRock Incorporation Ethernet Connection, kernel driver e1000e
[18:12] <ryuo> oh. intel.
[18:12] <ryuo> hm.
[18:12] <ryuo> those are usually well praised for their reliability. perhaps there's a kernel regression.
[18:13] <ryuo> either way...
[18:13] <ryuo> all i can suggest is going back to a LTS or other previous release.
[18:13] <Soul_Sample> i'll try booting 19.10 from an usb and see if it happens there, maybe it's just some configuration mess up
[18:14] <ryuo> possibly. upgrades can be more problematic than clean installs.
[18:14] <Soul_Sample> this installation has been running for a while now, started as 16.04
[18:14] <ryuo> though here's something else i've observed.
[18:14] <ryuo> how is it connect to the network? sometimes i've had switches that went bad and had to be restarted.
[18:15] <lesshaste> in<PHONE_NUMBER>.231535 IP <IP_ADDRESS>.54774 > <IP_ADDRESS>.443: Flags [P.], seq 132:171, ack 255, win 255, options [nop,nop,TS val 6585019 ecr<PHONE_NUMBER>], length 39
[18:15] <lesshaste>  ... what is ecr?
[18:15] <ryuo> connected*
[18:15] <ryuo> just thinking of what's specific to that client, since it's a localized problem.
[18:16] <Soul_Sample> i'm connected directly to the router, no switches or things like that in between
[18:16] <Soul_Sample> i will bring my work laptop home tomorrow and see if it experiences the same issue, it's also running 19.10
[18:17] <Soul_Sample> try both wifi and cable
[18:17] <bilb_ono> I have a directory mounted with an /etc/fstab file. When it mounts, the permissions are set so that its owned by www-data. I want to change it so that when I mount it, alex(me) can also access this drive. Is this something I do in the /etc/fstab file? or with normal chown commands?
[18:20] <LuckyMan> congrats on the release of the new Ubuntu
[18:21] <LuckyMan> so, to upgrade I do do-release-upgrade ?
[18:21] <dax> LuckyMan: what version are you on currently?
[18:21] <LuckyMan> 19.04
[18:23] <dax> 19.04 -> 19.10 upgrades will get released in a bit (i forget the exact time, i think it's a week for non-LTS?) so that any weird issues get found by new installations and fixed in updates
[18:23] <dax> if you need it before then, use do-release-upgrade -d. note that -d is supposed to install the current development release (but currently installs 19.10 because there is no development release right now), so that's advice that is valid now and possibly not in a few days/weeks
[18:24] <Sbur3> dax: So what you're saying is that in about a week, everything I did wrong should find a fix?
[18:24] <dax> Sbur3: was talking to someone else asking about upgrades
[18:24] <Soul_Sample> ryuo, thanks for your time! gotta go now
[18:25] <Sbur3> dax: Sorry.  It just coincided with my arrival.  Sorry
[18:25] <dax> np
[18:26] <Sbur3> dax: But do you think that my issue should find a resolution in about a week?
[18:27] <Sbur3> dax: cuz I still have problems with those important packages
[18:27] <dax> Sbur3: did you do the "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" thing i mentioned in the other channel?
[18:28] <Sbur3> dax: Yup
[18:28] <LuckyMan> dax, I think I can wait a week, but I will probably test the current iso to see what ZFS does today on the old laptop
[18:28] <dax> Sbur3: your best bet is probably coping the entire output of the command that's throwing an error to https://paste.ubuntu.com/ and linking the paste page it creates here
[18:28] <dax> Sbur3: i'm about to go afk, but hopefully someone else will be able to take a look
[18:30] <Sbur3> ^dax: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/r2XvXfmJTY/
[18:31] <Sbur3> dax: afk?  Well, to whomever wants to look at that.  I imagine, you're gonna eat or something important like that ... ;)
[18:31] <Sbur3> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/r2XvXfmJTY/
[18:33] <Sbur3> What does this indicate and how to fix that ... "7 not fully installed or removed.
[18:34] <Sbur3> "7 not fully installed or removed"
[18:35] <Leo__Verto> Your problem is that the linux-firmware installation fails which causes the installation of all dependants to also fail
[18:35] <dax> real quick before i leave: your kernel packages aren't installing because sicherboot is failing. as far as i know sicherboot isn't installed by default, and it looks like it needs something putting in /etc/kernel/cmdline, so you'd probably want to consult whichever guide had you install that
[18:35] <sarnold> Warning: Not updating LILO; /etc/lilo.conf not found!
[18:36] <sarnold> what's this about? :)
[18:36] <dax> yeah, i don't even know what's going on there
[18:36] <dax> gosa isn't installing because it's mad about how lighttpd's set up, and i haven't used lighttpd in about 10 years so i pass on that one
[18:36] <Sbur3> sarnold: I upgraded too early.  A couple days ago.  When I try to do an update && upgrade, I get this trash
[18:37] <Sbur3> Leo__Verto: Any ideas on how I could fix this mess?
[18:38] <Sbur3> netz: Without losing data
[18:39] <sarnold> Sbur3: hopefully this can help https://github.com/julian-klode/sicherboot#integrating-with-your-package-management
[18:39] <Sbur3> dax: sarnold: Leo__Verto: Should I just uninstall something and try to reinstall it?  whether it be linux-firmware, or gosa or lighttpd or something else?
[18:40] <Sbur3> sarnold: It can't hurt.  I just hope I don't screw things up worse
[18:40] <sarnold> Sbur3: why is sicherboot installed? do you need it? what does it do for you?
[18:40] <sarnold> Sbur3: it looks like the errors start with it
[18:41] <Sbur3> sarnold: I didn't decide to install anything in particular, including sicherboot.  If it doesn't do anything for me, should I nuke it?
[18:42] <coz_> Sbur3, the first thing I would try is a sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[18:43] <tomreyn> nothing else dpends on sicherboot, so the administrator of this system must have chosen to install it at some point (or run a software which did)
[18:43] <tomreyn> such things don't normally happen by themselves ;)
[18:45] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Should I purge sicherboot?
[18:46] <Sbur3> tomreyn: I didn't choose to install that.  Did something depend on that thing?
[18:47] <tomreyn> Sbur3: if you didn't choose to install it, then who else manages this system?
[18:47] <Sbur3> tomreyn: I'm the idiot (I admit that, so np) who updates and upgrades
[18:47] <tomreyn> i'd be worried about how well i'm managing my computer if i'm supposedly th eonly one managing it and random packages start appearing on it.
[18:48] <tomreyn> i guess if i realized that i don't actually need it (in contrary to what i decided previously), i'd run:  sudo dpkg -P sicherboot
[18:48] <ryuo> !isitout
[18:48] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Fine, but does that mean that if I nuke sicherboot, everything should fall in order?
[18:48] <tomreyn> Sbur3: no, but it's a good start
[18:49] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Done. Now what?
[18:50] <tomreyn> sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog; rm /tmp/aptlog
[18:50] <tomreyn> Sbur3: ^ this
[18:50] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Looks so simple ... why haven't I thought of that ... loll
[18:51] <tomreyn> it's a list of commands to get a better understanding of what's wrong. you would not need to run this normally.
[18:51] <tomreyn> it should return a url, please post it here
[18:55] <alexandrdvorkin> hi
[18:55] <alexandrdvorkin> can someone point me to the Macbook 2017 mouse and keyboard driver
[19:00] <tomreyn> alexandrdvorkin: which ubuntu version are you using and what is not working?
[19:01] <OerHeks> most articles point to  https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux
[19:01] <OerHeks> also for 2017
[19:02] <Sbur3> tomreyn: This is what happened.  Tell me what I messed up ... "sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog<<(sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1;apt-cache policy 2>&1;sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;);nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog;rm /tmp/aptlog
[19:02] <Sbur3> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[19:02] <OerHeks> Keyboard & Touchpad : Works out of the box with Linux 5.3 and above.
[19:02] <alexandrdvorkin> NAME="Ubuntu"
[19:02] <alexandrdvorkin> VERSION="18.04.3 LTS (Bionic Beaver)"
[19:02] <OerHeks> get a fresh 19.10 with kernel 5.3
[19:02] <Sbur3> tomreyn: A wrong space or something like that?
[19:03] <tomreyn> Sbur3: did you type this from your scren? not copy and paste?
[19:03] <alexandrdvorkin> where can i get it is it on ubuntu website?
[19:03] <alexandrdvorkin> i copied and pasted
[19:03] <Sbur3> tomreyn: I can't copy from my irc client.  I copied it from my terminal
[19:03] <tomreyn> alexandrdvorkin: then why did it end up differently?
[19:03] <tomreyn> alexandrdvorkin: oh, ignore this, i was talking to Sbur3
[19:04] <doug16k> << is not the same thing as < <
[19:04] <Sbur3> doug16k: So I need a space between the two things?
[19:04] <doug16k> needs to be exactly what he suggested
[19:04] <alexandrdvorkin> i copied the output of the cat /etc/os-release
[19:05] <tomreyn> Sbur3: kwirc should allow for marking text with left mouse button and then you should be able to paste it with middle mouse button.
[19:05] <doug16k> Sbur3, seems like a lot but that command he gave is gathering a bunch of things at once
[19:06] <tomreyn> *KVirc
[19:07] <tomreyn> alexandrdvorkin: yes, thanks, i think you'll best continue with what OerHeks suggested.
[19:07] <OerHeks> alexandrdvorkin, according to https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux >> Keyboard & Touchpad : Works out of the box with Linux 5.3 and above.
[19:07] <OerHeks> get a fresh 19.10 with kernel 5.3
[19:07] <alexandrdvorkin> ok downloading now
[19:07] <Sbur3> doug16k: tomreyn: I'm trying to copy and paste
[19:08] <tomreyn> Sbur3: and what happens when you do?
[19:09] <mburke05> hi guys, i'm trying to install python 3.8 on a 16.04 VM, installing it using ppa:deadsnakes works fine, but i can't install pip using python3.8 -m pip, and there doesnt seem to be a distro for python3.8-setuptools, does anyone have any idea what i need to do?
[19:09] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Finally worked.  Sorry to be such a noob.  https://termbin.com/ppy7
[19:09] <mburke05> to be clear: installing 3.8 from their repo works fine, but it appears to not come with pip or pip3
[19:10] <OerHeks> pi or pip3 ?
[19:10] <OerHeks> c/pip or pip3 ?
[19:10] <tomreyn> Sbur3: great. :) this looks like it could work now. so rtun:   sudo apt update; sudo apt -f install && sudo apt full-upgrade
[19:11] <mburke05> it should require pip3 which i think is the same for all python versions >3 right? or am i mistaken and there are separate pip packages for each python distrib
[19:12] <Sbur3> tomreyn: sudo: apt-f: command not found
[19:12] <ecormier> Sbur3: space...
[19:12] <ecormier> apt -f
[19:13] <doug16k> tomreyn, ah! sudo /bin/true gets the credentials cached. was wondering what the hell for a bit there :D
[19:13] <tomreyn> doug16k: right ;)
[19:13] <Sbur3> ecormier: tomreyn: I feel like a fool.  Sorry. I'm doing my best
[19:13] <OerHeks> i thought ppa:deadsnakes  comes with python3-pip
[19:13] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Still an issue with gosa
[19:14] <mburke05> i thought so too oerheks
[19:14] <tomreyn> Sbur3: it's a learning experience, can take a while. ;)  can we see the output of the previous commands?
[19:14] <mburke05> but after installing and attempting pip3 i get pip3 is not currently installed
[19:14] <tomreyn> !pastebin | Sbur3
[19:15] <Sbur3> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KKQ2nWjshb/
[19:17] <alexandrdvorkin> so with the Ubuntu 19-10 the mouse and keyboard on Macbook should work?>
[19:17] <OerHeks> alexandrdvorkin, jups, test it with the live session
[19:17] <alexandrdvorkin> will do
[19:18] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Thx to you, we're getting there, but how do I fix the problem with gosa?
[19:18] <tomreyn> Sbur3: what'S the output of    systemctl status lighttpd.service
[19:18] <alexandrdvorkin> i am kind of not confortable installing Ubuntu on my Macbook afraid to mess up the system partition so i will be only running Ubuntu-live
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> alexandrdvorkin: we already discussed this before
[19:19] <alexandrdvorkin> yes
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> alexandrdvorkin: we already told you your mac options didnt we?
[19:20] <alexandrdvorkin> i am just saying i have no external drive to back my Macbook OS
[19:20] <Sbur3> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yzGD8Zs8K8/
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> you also already said that
[19:20] <ioria> mburke05, https://dev.to/mortoray/how-to-install-python-3-8-on-ubuntu-1bp4
[19:21] <alexandrdvorkin> lotuspsychje i apologize for repeting
[19:21] <mburke05> ioria, what worked finally for me was installing pip straight from source via wget
[19:21] <ioria> i see
[19:21] <mburke05> but seems like a hacky solution
[19:21] <tomreyn> Sbur3: please copy and paste this to a terminal and report back the url here:    systemctl status lighttpd.service 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:22] <mburke05> because it's a provisioning script
[19:22] <tomreyn> Sbur3: if copy and pasting still does not work, please say so since we should enable you to do so first
[19:22] <alexandrdvorkin> but what is the utility i cant recall for backing up Macbook OS onto external drive
[19:22] <a0s510> I seen 19.10 is released. Just tried to run "do-release-upgrade" and get no updates found. There another way to upgrade?
[19:23] <tomreyn> alexandrdvorkin: this is an Ubuntu support channel
[19:23] <Sbur3> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/kj0s
[19:23] <ecormier> dd should work :)
[19:23] <alexandrdvorkin> ok so sorry my mistake
[19:23] <ioria> a0s510, what release are you running ? usually the cli way is available a bit later then the iso release
[19:23] <tomreyn> a0s510: wait a week or so, release upgrades are not enabled, yet
[19:23] <a0s510> 19.04
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> alexandrdvorkin: ask in the mac channel, howto backup mac Os
[19:24] <a0s510> I see tomreyn
[19:24] <alexandrdvorkin> lotuspsychje ok will do
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> !alis > alexandrdvorkin
[19:24] <ioria> a0s510, you can try the -d flag if you know what are you doing
[19:25] <ioria> a0s510, unless the -dev relase is already 20.04
[19:25] <tomreyn> Sbur3: do you actually use gosa, or is this just another package which unexplicably manifested on your disk, which we can safely remove?
[19:26] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Like I said, I just upgrade and update.  I see no reason to have or to not have a particular package
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> ioria: think it will need few weeks
[19:26] <ioria> lotuspsychje, yeah
[19:26] <dax> indeed. -d currentl gets 19.10, not 20.04
[19:26] <dax> currently*
[19:26] <ioria> ok, thanx dax
[19:26] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Have no clue what gosa is.  If you tell me that I could -P it, I'll do that
[19:27] <tomreyn> Sbur3: do you know how to look up information on a package?
[19:27] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Outside of man pages? No
[19:28] <tomreyn> Sbur3: there is "apt show gosa" and also https://packages.ubuntu.com/
[19:29] <Sbur3> tomreyn: I see the output, but don't understand much of it.  I think I had installed something like LDAP, but ...
[19:29] <tomreyn> Sbur3: if you don't think you need it anymore then you can    sudo apt remove lighttpd gosa
[19:30] <Sbur3> tomreyn: As long as it won't crash the system ...
[19:30] <tomreyn> Sbur3: i don't think this will impact the kernel, no
[19:31] <Sbur3> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/36ZhyVVSB8/
[19:33] <tomreyn> Sbur3: sudo apt install --reinstall lighttpd
[19:34] <Sbur3> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/v8vGN95J3B/
[19:35] <tomreyn> Sbur3: sudo dpkg --purge lighttpd
[19:37] <Sbur3> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YdV8wsJ9Wj/
[19:37] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Resistant, this lighttpd
[19:38] <tomreyn> dpkg -P lighttpd-modules-mysql lighttpd-modules-ldap; dpkg -P lighttpd
[19:38] <tomreyn> Sbur3: ^
[19:38] <tomreyn> Sbur3: actually with sudo:   sudo dpkg -P lighttpd-modules-mysql lighttpd-modules-ldap; sudo dpkg -P lighttpd
[19:40] <Sbur3> tomreyn: It tells me that it can't because it requires superuser privilege
[19:41] <Sbur3> tomreyn: And I used sudo
[19:42] <Sbur3> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/r4fNxBzMdY/
[19:42] <tomreyn> Sbur3: you didn't use sudo with the second command though
[19:42] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Would it be better to try with synaptic?
[19:42] <doug16k> Sbur3, would be extra believable if you included the command line in the paste
[19:43] <doug16k> ah, you piped I guess. nevermind
[19:43] <tomreyn> Sbur3: i prefer the terminal (over synaptic) so we don't miss any output. now    sudo dpkg -P lighttpd
[19:43] <Sbur3> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TY3vcrBm2k/
[19:43] <tomreyn> Sbur3: see above
[19:43] <doug16k> tomreyn's psychic power was correct
[19:44] <Sbur3> tomreyn: It seems to have worked
[19:44] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Next step?
[19:45] <i2so4> Hi. where should i go regarding kernel panic after upgrading kernel?
[19:45] <tomreyn> Sbur3: see above
[19:46] <tomreyn> Sbur3: now:    sudo dpkg -P lighttpd
[19:47] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Last stupid question ... (sudo dpkg -P lighttpd seems to have worked ... no error messages) I have two packages that have been held back (ubuntustudio-gnome-branding ubuntustudio-look
[19:48] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Is that a problem, or is that something that needs time for that to update/grade?
[19:48] <tomreyn> Sbur3: this is what you should handle next. maybe this will already handle it:  sudo apt update && sudo apt -f install
[19:49] <tomreyn> Sbur3: well, no this won't handle them, yet, but you should still do it. ;)
[19:49] <tomreyn> Sbur3: and if this seems to have worked without any warnings or error you can then   sudo apt full-upgrade
[19:50] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Still held back.  But I'm happy for now.  Thank you and all others who have helped me.  You need a package of patience with me
[19:50] <Sbur3> tomreyn: those tow things are still held back
[19:50] <Sbur3> *two
[19:51] <a0s510> Is there a are way to upgrade direct from an ISO?
[19:51] <tomreyn> Sbur3: so you have more packages in bad states or breaking dependencies. you can install apt-forktracer and paste its output
[19:52] <Sbur3> tomreyn: The most important part is fixed.  I should spend some time with my wife, though
[19:52] <tomreyn> Sbur3: this utility can help you identify packages which should not be installed, or package versions which should not be installed because they introduce incompatibilities.
[19:52] <tomreyn> Sbur3: i see, ttyl then.
[19:53] <tomreyn> i2so4: if you can provide details you can try to get some help here.
[19:53] <tomreyn> a0s510: your question is not clear, needs more details
[19:53] <tomreyn> !details
[19:55] <i2so4> huh, i guess i actually managed to solve it
[19:56] <i2so4> guess 256M of ram is not enough for newer kernels :)
[19:56] <ecormier> whoa... how old is your computer
[19:57] <i2so4> it's a home dhcp server that's been since migrated to a VM under hyper-v
[19:57] <i2so4> and since it has just this one service active i figured ...
[19:58] <i2so4> kernel trace if you're interested
[19:58] <i2so4> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tS9BCPqNwV/
[19:59] <tomreyn> i2so4: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[20:00] <tomreyn> i2so4: oh you're right this says 256 MB, this needs to change, i guess
[20:00] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/preparing-to-install.html says 384 MB
[20:01] <lordcirth> tomreyn, also, modern Linux kernels don't support i386, so "300 MHz x86 processor" should probably be changed to i486+
[20:03] <i2so4> yeah, can confirm, 384M is enough to boot
[20:04] <lordcirth> I just tried to do the ZFS install on 19.10 in a VM with 2048MiB of RAM, it froze for several minutes, then OOM'd.
[20:09] <tomreyn> lordcirth / i2so4: i'Ve updated https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements with links to information which won't get outdated as quickly.
[20:10] <tomreyn> lordcirth: expected, minimum is 4 GB, realistically i was able to install zfs with 3 GB but i wouldn't want to run it that way.
[20:10] <funabashi> can anyone be nice and help me with sources.list ? i have ubuntu disco
[20:11] <tomreyn> !sources.list | funabashi
[20:13] <funabashi> why do i need to setup ths
[20:13] <funabashi> should be done by default
[20:13] <lordcirth> funabashi, what problem are you having with the default?
[20:14] <tomreyn> funabashi: correct, it IS setup by default. so what's not working?
[20:14] <funabashi> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[20:14] <funabashi> E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), is another process using it?
[20:14] <tomreyn> show the full output as well as the command you ran, on a pastebin
[20:14] <bleb> i'm trying to connect my xubuntu box to an old 90s tv
[20:14] <tomreyn> !pastebin
[20:15] <lordcirth> So apt is already running. Why is that a problem with sources.list?
[20:15] <bleb> i have an hdmi -> rca converter box
[20:15] <bleb> but the result cuts off the margins on my screen
[20:15] <i2so4> tomreyn, Cheers! i came here looking for help and on the way, helped to sort out some outdated documentation
[20:15] <kostkon> !aptlock
[20:15] <i2so4> take care guys
[20:15] <bleb> in display settings, it says "HJW 12"" for the display option then i can select a bunch of resolutions
[20:16] <bleb> the native resolution for this tv is 640x480, but selecting that i still have the margins cut off
[20:16] <lordcirth> Just unlocking isn't good if apt is actually still running, like unattended-upgrades.
[20:16] <bleb> anyone know anything i might try?
[20:16] <kostkon> lordcirth, agreed
[20:19] <tomreyn> bleb: you can experiment with xrandr https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[20:19] <funabashi> this is so strange
[20:19] <funabashi> cant anyone just passte  me a working source.list
[20:21] <dax> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ disco main restricted universe
[20:21] <dax> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ disco-security main restricted universe
[20:21] <dax> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ disco-updates main restricted universe
[20:21] <dax> funabashi: there ^
[20:21] <tomreyn> that's not the problem funabashi is having, though
[20:21]  * dax shrug
[20:21] <tommy``> yo
[20:22] <lordcirth> funabashi, You have not provided any evidence that your sources.list is wrong.
[20:23] <funabashi> wow finlstrm thanks alot
[20:23] <funabashi> finally*
[20:23] <kostkon> funabashi, what was it
[20:23] <funabashi> dax: 3 lines
[20:24] <evng> Installed ubuntu 19.10 - when I open the software center I see the following error: https://i.imgur.com/dMzaQwp.png
[20:25] <lordcirth> evng, does your DNS work elsewhere, ie the browser?
[20:25] <evng> yes it works
[20:27] <evng> I'm able to open the extensions.json file from the browser
[20:28] <OerHeks> i read double // in the url
[20:28] <OerHeks> ubuntu bug failed to download https://extentions.gnome.org//static/extentions.json
[20:29] <evng> maybe they were old errors, I have dismissed them and reopened the sw center and now it seems to work :|
[20:29] <OerHeks> https://status.gnome.org/ is oke
[20:30] <OerHeks> oh
[20:30] <evng> yeah nvm, it works now :)
[20:31] <DumbLDoor> Greetings all! Just upgraded to the latest version, 19.10. Flash is not working with the latest Chromium. The codecs ffmpeg are installed too
[20:38] <DumbLDoor> Anyone has any idea on this/
[20:51] <Guest_53> hello, how do I install python?
[20:51] <Yxhuvud> It is probably already installed.
[20:52] <Guest_53> no, I can't find the python program installed
[20:52] <gambl0re> Guest_53, are you learning django or flask?
[20:52] <Guest_53> python
[20:54] <Guest_53> how can I install python?
[20:55] <tommy``> apt-get install python
[20:55] <Guest_53> it says this
[20:56] <Guest_53> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (13: Permission denied)E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), are you root?
[20:56] <tommy``> sudo apt-get install python
[20:57] <Guest_53> ok, it says this
[20:57] <Guest_53> Reading package lists... DoneBuilding dependency tree       Reading state information... Donepython is already the newest version (2.7.15~rc1-1).python set to manually installed.0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[20:57] <tommy``> it's installed
[20:57] <tommy``> launch with
[20:57] <tommy``> python
[20:57] <tommy``> or python3
[20:58] <nuala> whereis python
[20:58] <Guest_53> and how do I open it?
[20:58] <tommy``> launch from terminal
[20:59] <Guest_53> ok how do I launch it?
[20:59] <tommy``> type python
[20:59] <kostkon> Guest_53, you already have it. type python for python 2 or python3 for 3 in the terminal to start an interactive shell or just use an IDE
[21:00] <Guest_53> ok, it says this
[21:00] <Guest_53> Python 3.6.8 (default, Oct  7 2019, 12:59:55) [GCC 8.3.0] on linuxType "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
[21:00] <tommy``> it's open
[21:00] <tommy``> wroking
[21:00] <tommy``> working*
[21:01] <Guest_53> Thank you, so I can test any kind of python coding now, right?
[21:01] <kostkon> Guest_53, try it eg:  print("Hello World")
[21:01] <tommy``> to launch a python .py script just type from terminal python <code.py>
[21:02] <nuala> without < > ! just the filename ;)
[21:03] <fastfresh> Hi! Just upgraded to eoan, selected Yaru dark in gnome-tweaks, but the setting did not affect top bar and dropdown menus. Any ideas how to fix this?
[21:04] <Guest_53> ok, it says this
[21:04] <Guest_53>  <code.py>  File "<stdin>", line 1    <code.py>    ^SyntaxError: invalid syntax>>> code.pyTraceback (most recent call last):  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>NameError: name 'code' is not defined
[21:04] <tommy``> Guest you have a python script?
[21:05] <Guest_53> Could you give me an example of a python script please?
[21:05] <tommy``> a program in python that have extension .py
[21:05] <tommy``> you have it on your computer?
[21:06] <Guest_53> python?, yes
[21:06] <tommy``> a python program
[21:06] <tommy``> I meant
[21:06] <evng> you should probably ask in #python at this point, you obviously have no idea how python works, this is not a problem with ubuntu anymore :)
[21:06] <Guest_53> No
[21:07] <Guest_53> ok
[21:17] <DumbLDoor> Greetings all! Just upgraded to the latest version, 19.10. Flash is not working with the latest Chromium. The chromium ffmpeg codecs are installed too. Is there is a fix available or is it broken for now? Flash works fine on chrome and firefox.
[21:18] <chrmhoffmann> do-release-upgrade doesnt do anything :)
[21:18] <tomreyn> DumbLDoor: flash? do you really still need this?
[21:19] <tomreyn> chrmhoffmann: on which ubuntu release are you?
[21:19] <chrmhoffmann> tomreyn, the one before
[21:19] <chrmhoffmann> 19.10
[21:20] <chrmhoffmann> i guess that's 19.03
[21:20] <chrmhoffmann> crap .04
[21:20] <kostkon> chrmhoffmann, by flash you mean online videos?
[21:20] <chrmhoffmann> ?
[21:20] <kostkon> chrmhoffmann, that was for DumbLDoor sorry
[21:21] <DumbLDoor> @tomreyn, @kostkon - yes, I need flash for some sites still.
[21:21] <tomreyn> chrmhoffmann: release upgrades to 19.04 are not enabled, yet. this usually happens about a week or after release
[21:21] <chrmhoffmann> tomreyn, you mean "from 19.04"
[21:21] <chrmhoffmann> ok
[21:21] <chrmhoffmann> thank you!
[21:21] <DumbLDoor> Not online videos
[21:22] <tomreyn> chrmhoffmann: actually i meant *to 19.10*, sorry, but effectively this also means from 19.04, yes
[21:22] <chrmhoffmann> tomreyn, i guess a do-release-upgrade -d cannot do much harm though at this point in time
[21:23] <tomreyn> chrmhoffmann: that's something you'll have to decide on your own.
[21:23] <chrmhoffmann> 'kay :)
[21:23] <chrmhoffmann> sure
[21:23] <chrmhoffmann> thanks again
[21:24] <tomreyn> you're welcome :)
[21:25] <DumbLDoor> Any idea? I guess I will have to wait for a fix in the next week or so.
[21:27] <tomreyn> DumbLDoor: i dislike the idea of supporting snaps, but understand that chromium-browser is an essential package, and it is only available as a snap now. you can look here https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snap-chromium-cant-see-flash-plugin-in-usr-lib/5380/8 and here https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snap-chromium-cant-see-flash-plugin-in-usr-lib/5380 for more information.
[21:28] <DumbLDoor> @tomreyn: Thank you!
[21:29] <tomreyn> you're welcome!
[21:33] <ryuo> tomreyn: what the? why did they move chromium to a snap?
[21:35] <tomreyn> ryuo: in eoan only, i was imprecise. if this is going to be a discussion then it belongs to #ubuntu-discuss
[21:36] <ryuo> eh, nevermind. it's unlikely to go anywhere.
[22:07] <LuckyMan> while upgrading to the new ubuntu version I get Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 5.0.0-31-generic (x86_64)
[22:07] <LuckyMan>  virtualbox-dkms
[22:09] <LuckyMan> kernel package linux-headers-5.0.0-31-generic is not supported
[22:10] <LuckyMan> does it mean virtualbox doesn't support the new kernel?
[22:12] <tomreyn> LuckyMan: this package apparently does not, or not yet. look for an existing bug report or file a new one using   ubuntu-bug virtualbox
[22:12] <tomreyn> also note that upgrades to 19.10 are not supported, yet
[22:12] <LuckyMan> I know
[22:21] <LuckyMan> tomreyn, apparently removing virtualbox, rebooting, and reinstalling it solved the problem
[22:43] <cluelessperson> I haven't been able to figure out how to fix this
[22:43] <cluelessperson> whenever I click a link outside the browser
[22:43] <cluelessperson> it crashes the browser
[22:44] <cluelessperson> it starts to happen only after the browser has been open a long time
[22:45] <tomreyn> cluelessperson: how would you click on a link outside of the web browser?
[22:45] <cluelessperson> tomreyn, ....   https://google.com/
[22:45] <cluelessperson> didn't crash this time clicking that
[22:47] <tomreyn> cluelessperson: so you mean your web browser when you click on a url in other applications, links that would get loaded by your web browser?
[22:47] <cluelessperson> yes
[22:47] <cluelessperson> hexchat, pastes while coding, slack, discord
[22:47] <tomreyn> err this sentence didn't make much sense, but i'm glad you got me.
[22:48] <tomreyn> is /var/crash full of crash logs then?
[22:48] <tomreyn> and what's logged to journalctl -f ?
[22:48] <cluelessperson> tomreyn, not related to this
[22:49] <cluelessperson> journalctl -f has thousands of lines of
[22:49] <cluelessperson> kernel: hid-sensor-hub 001F:8086:22D8.0003: hid_field_extract() called with n (192) > 32! (kworker/0:3)
[22:49] <tomreyn> hmm not sure what this is, but i assume it's unrelated.
[22:51] <tomreyn> cluelessperson: which ubuntu version is this, is it fully updated?
[22:51] <cluelessperson> tomreyn, it's recently updated, I'm upgrading it now
[22:51] <cluelessperson> 19.04?
[22:52] <tomreyn> i don't know whether it's ubuntu 19.04, i'm asking you :)
[22:52] <cluelessperson> tomreyn, it's 19.04 yes
[22:53] <tomreyn> cluelessperson: bug 1818547 looks related to this message you caught there (which i think is not related to the web browser 'crashing'). it's also marked as fixed.
[22:53] <cluelessperson> tomreyn, I just found that. :P
[22:53] <cluelessperson> didn't crash opening that link
[22:54] <cluelessperson> I'm currently upgrading to 5.0.0-32
[22:54] <tomreyn> so apparently reproducing the web browser 'crash' is not so easy.