[00:00] <Ian_Corne> yes to BUGabundo
[00:00] <Ian_Corne> not to you h00k I don't know
[00:00] <BUGabundo> the title is so deciving
[00:01] <yofel> h00k: if I'm not mistaken that was posponed for lucid+1
[00:01] <sahk0> ubuntu+2
[00:02] <h00k> yofel: ah, alright.
[00:02] <BUGabundo> lool
[00:02] <h00k> yofel: I also saw it's "there" just disabled
[00:02] <Ian_Corne> What is RGBA?
[00:03] <Ian_Corne> or should i google?
[00:03] <yofel> Ian_Corne: transparency support I think
[00:03] <Ian_Corne> for everything?
[00:03] <Ian_Corne> or?
[00:03] <Ian_Corne> gnome-terminal has it already
[00:03] <BUGabundo> err
[00:03] <yofel> Ian_Corne: I think it's part of gtk, so it should be for everything
[00:03] <BUGabundo> _has_ is very messy
[00:03] <BUGabundo> it has kinda
[00:04] <Ian_Corne> well
[00:04] <Ian_Corne> if you turn on compiz
[00:04] <BUGabundo> I remember filing a bug, when the changed modes
[00:04] <Ian_Corne> it does
[00:04] <yofel> Ian_Corne: I think it's different from compiz, more like what windows aero does I think
[00:04] <BUGabundo> and all hell broke loose
[00:04] <Ian_Corne> otherwise you just see your dekstop :p
[00:04] <sahk0> BUGabundo: did you check the paste i posted by any chance?
[00:04] <BUGabundo> that was like two cycles away
[00:04] <sahk0> rgba is not transparency
[00:05] <yofel> sahk0: wasn't alpha channel about transparency?
[00:06] <Ian_Corne> aww ubuntu+2 is invite only
[00:06] <Ian_Corne> what's going in there?
[00:06] <sahk0> yofel: not 100% sure
[00:06] <lukehasnoname> Has anyone noticed their notification area growing slowly?
[00:06] <BUGabundo> guys, enjoy a nice evening
[00:07] <BUGabundo> I'm going to bed.... eralish today
[00:07] <Ian_Corne> gn
[00:07] <BUGabundo> not the usual 4am+
[00:07] <BUGabundo> hope no more servers fried during the weekend
[00:07] <yofel> gn8 BUGabundo
[00:07] <Ian_Corne> yes lukehasnoname everything is getting pushed in there
[00:08] <lukehasnoname> Ian_Corne: I mean, there are still only three icons, but it flickers momentarily and then gets larger
[00:08] <lukehasnoname> as in, creates blank gaps
[00:08] <Ian_Corne> oh
[00:08] <KenBW2> does anyone else find the introduction of the new theme 1 day before UI Freeze a little dictatorial?
[00:08] <Ian_Corne> haven't noticed that sorry
[00:09] <lukehasnoname> KenBW2: I understand that canonical has a business to run and there are aspects of their brand and marketing they won't negotiate on.
[00:09] <lukehasnoname> That said, their window button choice is soooo stupid.
[00:09] <KenBW2> that's the point - they introduce the new theme before anyone gets a say, and then break their own UI Freeze rules by changing it afterwards
[00:11] <h00k> KenBW2: the UI Freeze can be excepted
[00:11] <KenBW2> indeed
[00:11] <KenBW2> but better to discuss *before* the UI freeze, no?
[00:12] <lukehasnoname> "too many cooks in the kitchen"
[00:12] <h00k> KenBW2: it's not for certain if things will stay the way they are or not
[00:12] <lukehasnoname> When there are things that have no chance of getting 100% consensus (UI) they just pull the trigger.
[00:12] <yofel> KenBW2: screenshots of the themes were available for a while, and the discussion is done on UDS and the artwork mailing list
[00:13] <lukehasnoname> Now, it'd be nice if they fixed the window button location back to 'right', as so many people have pointed out, it makes the left side cluttered and the 'close' button is too close to the 'edit' button.
[00:13] <KenBW2> lukehasnoname: i thought they had?
[00:13] <yofel> lukehasnoname: I fear they'll listen to us as much as they did with the update-manager popup...
[00:13] <lukehasnoname> Did they? I haven't been online all weekend
[00:14] <KenBW2> what happened to the community?
[00:14] <yofel> KenBW2: the communitiy is welcome, as long as you complain at the right place at the right time
[00:15] <yofel> now in this channel is too late
[00:15] <thak> Does anyone know how to re-enable the MeMenu if it has been disabled?
[00:15] <thak> and does anyone know which themes have icons for the new indicator applet functionality?
[00:15] <KenBW2> yofel: theres no shortage of community proposed themes on the wiki
[00:16] <lukehasnoname> thak: I think it's under the 'user switcher' tool for the gnome panel.
[00:16] <lukehasnoname> right click the panel > add to panel > user switcher
[00:16] <yofel> KenBW2: well, then go to the ayatana folks (I think) and ask them why they don't use them
[00:16] <lukehasnoname> try it
[00:16] <Leftmost> Anyone have any idea why the lucid package of maxima depends on libc6 >= 2.11, whereas the package in debian (same version number) only depends on >= 2.7?
[00:16] <KenBW2> yofel: hmm, im yet to see a good idea come out of their dept
[00:16] <yofel> KenBW2: me too, that's why I use KDE now
[00:17] <h00k> "Good" isn't very objective
[00:17] <KenBW2> yofel: isnt NotifyOSD on Kubuntu too?
[00:17] <h00k> AtomicSpark: poke
[00:17] <funkyHat> h00k: POEK
[00:17] <yofel> KenBW2: it was in karmic, but the support was dropped in lucid, kubuntu is going back to a more 'clean' KDE
[00:18] <h00k> funkyHat: OHAI!
[00:18] <Amaranth> Leftmost: Because it was compiled against eglib 2.11
[00:18] <yofel> KenBW2: but that's a result of a staff shortage too
[00:18] <KenBW2> yofel: how does kubuntu compare with ubuntu, in terms of stability
[00:19] <yofel> KenBW2: as the core system is the same, similiar, it then depends on the stability of gnome and KDE and I haven't compared them in lucid yet so I can't say
[00:20] <AtomicSpark> I wouldn't say it's fair to compare stability in a pre-release.
[00:20] <yofel> KenBW2: but it works fine for me, the only grave issues I have/had in lucid are usually plymouth related
[00:20] <lukehasnoname> I'm not a big fan of their social network integration, but notify-osd is the single best contribtution to Ubuntu's UI and usability IMO
[00:20] <lukehasnoname> I love it
[00:20] <yofel> AtomicSpark: that's true as well
[00:21] <yofel> lukehasnoname: I don't like how they made the notifications non-interactive but instead decided that popup windows were the ideal solution to persistent notifications
[00:23] <yofel> add that to the insane decision of gnome to get rid of as many menu icons as possible and you get the reasoning of me switching to KDE
[00:23] <lukehasnoname> yofel: I think making non-interactive messages pop-ups are awesome. My only complaint is that in Pidgin, for example, I cannot stop new messages from being displayed on notify-osd. If I'm having a private conversation, it's troubling!
[00:23] <lukehasnoname> yofel: What do you mean, getting rid of menu icons?
[00:23] <yofel> lukehasnoname: well, that's user preference I guess then. I *hate* popup windows
[00:23] <Amaranth> yofel: Actually the dialog windows are the fallback of the notification system if the thing showing the notifications reports it doesn't support buttons
[00:23] <AtomicSpark> lukehasnoname: Are you sure there isn't an option in Pidgin's plugin list?
[00:24] <KenBW2> yofel: take it icons are here to stay in KDE?
[00:24] <lukehasnoname> AtomicSpark: hmm... maybe.
[00:24] <AtomicSpark> lukehasnoname: empathy is much, much better in lucid. maybe we'll convert you. ;)
[00:24] <yofel> Amaranth: well, notify-osd doesn't support buttons, does it?
[00:24] <yofel> KenBW2: haven't heared otherwise yet (and I hope it stays so)
[00:24] <Amaranth> yofel: It wasn't a specific decision to make it do so, it was considered an acceptable downside for apps that don't behave
[00:25] <Amaranth> (the app is supposed to query for button support first)
[00:25] <yofel> Amaranth: ah, makes sense
[00:25] <Ian_Corne> And yet, this will all be going away in 10.10, gnome-shell has it's own notification thingy
[00:25] <lukehasnoname> AtomicSpark: Ya, libnotify plugin has those options. Thanks! And we'll see about empathy... I just think Pidgin is better. I have reasons, I just don't remember them ATM. Yes, I tried Empathy in Lucid... might try it again when I'm not doing homework.
[00:25] <Amaranth> Ian_Corne: I doubt 10.10 will use gnome-shell
[00:25] <Ian_Corne> :(
[00:25] <Ian_Corne> gnome-shell looks awesome
[00:25] <Ian_Corne> i've used it
[00:25] <AtomicSpark> Ian_Corne: gnome-shell will most likely be optional.
[00:26] <KenBW2> im sure itll be there as an option
[00:26] <AtomicSpark> Ian_Corne: You can use it now! :)
[00:26] <Ian_Corne> I know
[00:26] <Amaranth> KenBW2: Just like it is now.
[00:26] <yofel> lukehasnoname: well, I mean the icons in the drop-down menus, like copy/paste/... I think many were added back, but I still got annoyed enough at the gnome developers to drop gnome
[00:26] <Ian_Corne> but it's not finished now
[00:26] <lukehasnoname> AtomicSpark: It better be an option. It's pretty much a completely new UI/environment.
[00:26] <KenBW2> Amaranth: what Ian_Corne said
[00:27]  * yofel thinks he'll try gnome again once gnome3 comes out
[00:27] <yofel> right now KDE4 is great
[00:27] <Amaranth> yofel: GNOME 3 is even more locked down
[00:27] <AtomicSpark> lukehasnoname: gnome-panel --replace is your friend!
[00:27] <gafir> Hello, I have no wireless at all in Lucid Lynx with my Dell Inspiron 1545 (laptop) -- is there any documentation about this, or is this something I should report?
[00:28] <yofel> Amaranth: well, I don't mind as long it "feels right", right now I just can't get myself to like it
[00:28] <Amaranth> yofel: Well, by GNOME 3.4 or so it should be good
[00:29] <AtomicSpark> yofel: i noticed it has changed since karmic. it's still evolving.
[00:29] <yofel> Amaranth: heh, np, KDE was unusable until 4.3 too :D
[00:29] <yofel> gafir: what wireless card do you have? does network manager list any networks?
[00:29] <Ian_Corne> I don't know why but i dispise KDE
[00:30] <gafir> yofel: i'm connected with a cable (eth0) and that's the only network connection listed
[00:31] <gafir> no wireless, i'm not sure about the name of the wireless card, let me check -- It's the internal laptop wireless card type
[00:31] <yofel> gafir: ok... so we're back at the network card (run lspci in a terminal to list the hardware components)
[00:32] <Ian_Corne> did you try pressing the wireless button?
[00:32] <lukehasnoname> Where would I report a but in the gnome notification panel
[00:32] <gafir> thanks, there you go: 0c:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01)
[00:32] <lukehasnoname> *notification aplpet of the panel
[00:32] <gafir> Ian_corne: yes I did try the button
[00:32] <Ian_Corne> ok :)
[00:32] <lukehasnoname> *bug, *applet
[00:32] <Ian_Corne> just checking :p
[00:32] <Ian_Corne> does iwlist scan do anything?
[00:32] <yofel> lukehasnoname: 'ubuntu-bug indicator-applet' I think
[00:33] <yofel> gafir: did you install the driver from hardware drivers?
[00:33] <gafir> yofel: Ha!
[00:33] <gafir> yofel: that's why, I don't think it's active, I have two listed in there
[00:33]  * yofel is getting annoyed at broadcom cards....
[00:34] <gafir> yofel: I thought that would have been automatic, isn't it automatic usually?
[00:34] <gafir> yofel:I have Broadcom B43 and Broadcom STA -- not sure
[00:34]  * lukehasnoname is skeptical about ^(atheros/intel/ralink) wifi cards
[00:34] <gafir> i'll try B43
[00:34] <yofel> gafir: no, since karmic the driver for some cards need to be installed by hand, some license issue I think
[00:34] <gafir> yofel: oh ok
[00:34] <AtomicSpark> yofel: indicator-applet isn't gnome's notification area.
[00:35] <yofel> lukehasnoname: the intel card in my notebook works fine, the ralink card in my netbook works... err... mostyl fine
[00:35] <AtomicSpark> lukehasnoname: what is your bug?
[00:35] <Ian_Corne> lukehasnoname: what other cards are there? :p
[00:35] <dylanmccall> Hey, is there anyone here who has run (or knows about) moblin-session on Lucid?
[00:36] <yofel> AtomicSpark: then I think I lost track of what 'notification' is supposed to be...
[00:36] <lukehasnoname> notice all wifi cards NOT those
[00:36] <gafir> yofel: I didn't know that, thanks for the information. It's currently downloading and installing, and .... the network manager panel icon tells me the device is not ready, mmm, I might have to try the other driver
[00:36] <gafir> yofel: I'll try a reboot first, thanks for everything in any case!
[00:36] <Ian_Corne> i don't know, haven't seen many other cards
[00:36] <yofel> gafir: I'm not sure, in synaptic the package name would be bcmwl-kernel-source
[00:36] <lukehasnoname> Ian_Corne: broadcom, dell stuff
[00:36] <yofel> gafir: but I don't know how jockey calls it
[00:36] <gafir> hehe
[00:37] <gafir> we'll see I'm noting the package name, thanks
[00:37] <gafir> i'll be back if it works!
[00:37] <AtomicSpark> yofel: on lucid, it's split up into three parts. starting from the "bar" you have | gnome notification area | indicator-applet | clock applet | indicator-applet-session|
[00:37] <AtomicSpark> yofel: i dont know the package names for the gnome stuff. might just be gnome-panel.
[00:38] <AtomicSpark> If you unlock the applets and move them, you can see how they're grouped.
[00:38] <yofel> well, thx anyway
[00:38] <sebsebseb> yofel: Most of the icons removed from system menu, and some of places :(  since upstream GNOME, however those can be put back on in gconf-editior,  What I find more annoying is how their edited fast user account switcher now the me menu as well in 10.04 as well,  how when that's enabled shut down and log out aren't in the system menu anymore.
[00:38] <sebsebseb> yofel: their as in Ubuntu, however that should of been obvious
[00:38] <yofel> yep, that too
[00:39] <sebsebseb> yofel: 8.10 is :)
[00:39] <AtomicSpark> sebsebseb: agree to disagree
[00:39] <yofel> heh
[00:39] <sebsebseb> except for how for example the ethernet woudn't just work on the other computer in 8.10.  still  a pretty great release over all, that will also run out of support when or around the time 10.04 comes out.
[00:40] <AtomicSpark> my issue with karmic  was the ati driver had horrible playback issues and network manager didn't save hidden networks properly.
[00:40] <AtomicSpark> thats pretty much it though. :P
[00:40] <h00k> ATI makes me :(
[00:40] <sebsebseb> yofel: as for KDE I have read quite a lot of stuff on the web, where people are saying basically that they don't do KDE properly in Kubuntu, because of how they don't get support from Canonical, or something like that. Plus KDE 4 is the kind of thing that many people are going to want to run the latest stable version when it's available, Kubuntu won't just get it.
[00:41] <AtomicSpark> h00k: happens. cards are great, drivers are questionable. although i have never had issues with windows drivers
[00:41] <sebsebseb> yofel: above I meant how  Canonical focus on GNOME and basically ignore KDE for example.
[00:41] <yofel> sebsebseb: the kubuntu team does release the kde point releases when they are available (by ppa if necessary)
[00:42] <AtomicSpark> sebsebseb: ubuntu is their baby. nothing wrong with that. a lot of distros pick a DE and stick with it.
[00:42] <sebsebseb> yofel: yes ppa, but not from the actsual offical repo's when it's available
[00:42] <yofel> sebsebseb: and they're trying to get back to as much of a vanilla KDE as possible
[00:42] <sebsebseb> yofel: the whole having to rely on ppa's for later stuff or wait untill the next release, or install yourself in another way,  for major things, is a joke really when it comes to Ubuntu,  Major stuff,   Firefox, Open Office, newer versions of KDE, etc.
[00:43] <yofel> sebsebseb: KDE 4.3.5 is  available in karmic-backports, but it took them a while to get it there
[00:43] <sebsebseb> yofel: oh
[00:43] <AtomicSpark> sebsebseb: that's how time based releases work. :(
[00:43] <sebsebseb> yofel: well 4.4 is the latest stable version
[00:44] <Starcraftmazter> hey. Are the max/min/close buttons on the application bar on the left purposely or a bug?
[00:44] <sebsebseb> AtomicSpark: well most of Ubuntu users come from Windows,  and most of them will have the latest Firefox or whatever it is at the time in Windows no problem,  but then they can't just have it in Ubuntu, that's a joke really.
[00:44] <AtomicSpark> sebsebseb: you're free to install it yourself, which is exactly what would happen on windows.
[00:44] <sebsebseb> AtomicSpark: instaling a ppa is,  not just having it,  just having it, is getting it from the repo as an update.
[00:44] <AtomicSpark> sebsebseb: also !lnw, etc.
[00:45] <sebsebseb> AtomicSpark: no in the case of Firefox, they would have it already installed,  and Mozilla would offer the update for the later Friefox
[00:45] <AtomicSpark> Starcraftmazter: that's on purpose. cute huh? :P
[00:45] <sebsebseb> AtomicSpark: in the case of Firefox on Windows, above
[00:45] <Starcraftmazter> AtomicSpark: christ, tell me there's a way to choose ><
[00:45] <yofel> sebsebseb: I think 4.3 -> 4.4 is a bit more of a challange than 4.3.4 -> 4.3.5, especially since nepomuk seems to be tricky
[00:45] <lukehasnoname> AtomicSpark: Ubuntu tries to keep things compatible and stable through a release, only updating bugs and security holes after release. If you want the distro to give the latest software to you through official repos, get gentoo or arch.
[00:45] <AtomicSpark> Starcraftmazter: Do you want it on the right?
[00:46] <AtomicSpark> lukehasnoname: wrong person.
[00:46] <Starcraftmazter> yes
[00:46] <sebsebseb> yofel: What's nepomuk,  I don't like KDE 4 much, so don't tend to use it.
[00:46] <lukehasnoname> sebsebseb: read what I said to AtomicSpark
[00:46] <lukehasnoname> heh
[00:46] <sebsebseb> lukehasnoname: whatever to that,  most of Ubuntu's users want it
[00:46] <yofel> sebsebseb: the backend for the KDE desktop search or 'semantic desktop' how they call it I think
[00:46] <h00k> Starcraftmazter: you can change them in gconf, yeah.
[00:46] <sebsebseb> lukehasnoname: they come from Windows, where they are used to being able to just install the laatest Firefox, Open Office, etc
[00:46] <AtomicSpark> Also, try to keep this channel's discussion towards Lucid support and development.
[00:46] <Starcraftmazter> h00k: where/how?
[00:47] <ZykoticK9> Starcraftmazter, you can use: gconftool-2 --set "/apps/metacity/general/button_layout" --type string ":maximize,minimize,close"
[00:47] <sebsebseb> AtomicSpark: yes a little off topic, however it's true what I am  typing
[00:47] <Starcraftmazter> thanks ZykoticK9, gonna write that one down
[00:47] <Starcraftmazter> ;)
[00:47] <AtomicSpark> Starcraftmazter: You'll probably need to do that every time there is an update to light-themes
[00:48] <Starcraftmazter> bawww
[00:48] <h00k> I am liking them on the left
[00:48] <AtomicSpark> Notice that the min/max buttons are also swapped.
[00:48] <h00k> call me odd, whatever.
[00:48] <AtomicSpark> h00k: You are odd!
[00:48] <sebsebseb> AtomicSpark: the command that people have been giving out,  will that put them on the right and in the correct order, what was before?
[00:48] <h00k> AtomicSpark: :D
[00:49] <AtomicSpark> sebsebseb: No. From my experince, if you change their order, it'll move them back.
[00:49] <dylan-m> h00k: the buttons on the left are growing on me, too. Really quick to just push the pointer to the top right of a window and move it
[00:49] <h00k> sebsebseb: the way the graphics are set, they will appear with in a different order.
[00:49] <AtomicSpark> Also, it makes the theme ugly since the background is tied to the button.
[00:49] <h00k> dylan-m: yeah.
[00:49] <dylan-m> just the order they're in, really, that causes me pain
[00:49] <AtomicSpark> h00k: fine! i'll try it!
[00:49] <h00k> AtomicSpark: you don't have to! I won't make you.
[00:49] <sebsebseb> h00k: uh?   well in Ubuntu I would want them on the right and in this order,  minimize,  maximize, and close
[00:50] <h00k> sebsebseb: well, you can change that, then
[00:50] <h00k> sebsebseb: with the current theme, it might appear broken.
[00:50] <sebsebseb> h00k: yes which is the command that people have been giving out here?
[00:50] <lukehasnoname> sebsebseb: They come from windows, where they are used to fetching their own app .exes and updating themselves. Ubuntu does the work for them. If they still want to get the latest, they can do it the old fashioned way. you can't have feature stability and constant updates in the same distro.
[00:50] <ZykoticK9> sebsebseb, gconftool-2 --set "/apps/metacity/general/button_layout" --type string ":minimize,maximize,close"
[00:50] <sebsebseb> h00k: and Ubuntu won't use  either of the new themes when I am setting it up, both themes suck
[00:50] <sebsebseb> ZykoticK9: yep that one, just checking that it does what I wanted, since I haven't done it
[00:51] <ZykoticK9> sebsebseb, i altered it to your order there
[00:51] <sebsebseb> ZykoticK9: oh I see
[00:51] <sebsebseb> ZykoticK9: by the way I know I can enter gconf-editor manually and  enable the icions for system menu and  what's missing in places, however I guess there's a command for that as well
[00:51] <sebsebseb> ZykoticK9: manualley I meant graphically
[00:52] <sebsebseb> any idea what that would be?
[00:53] <ZykoticK9> sebsebseb, the gconftool-2 is just an alternate way of using gconf-edit - both accomplish the same thing -- you can see the path you'd use in gconf-editor in the /apps/metacity... part of the link i sent
[00:53] <sebsebseb> ZykoticK9: link?  command you mean for the terminal?
[00:53] <ZykoticK9> sebsebseb, sorry yes - command not link
[00:53] <AtomicSpark> sebsebseb: both are commands, yes. be careful. you can break your system messing with that.
[00:54] <sebsebseb> AtomicSpark: probably nothing that bad can happen by doing things with gconf editor, however I would useually leave stuff on the default
[00:54] <AtomicSpark> Getting back on topic, I've been testing Lucid for a few weeks now and I'm glad to see we're getting pretty stable.
[00:55] <AtomicSpark> Only get a few crashes a day. ;3
[00:55] <h00k> I have been quite surprised with it
[00:55] <sebsebseb> AtomicSpark:  the stuff just now was on topic :D
[00:55] <h00k> even with Gwibber!
[00:55] <h00k> I've had it open twice without dying
[00:55] <AtomicSpark> gwibber finally loads without crashing 99% of the time. :P
[00:56] <h00k> I should check to see if the Netbook Edition interface has a bug open for the old-style logo in the top left corner.
[00:56] <Sarvatt> AtomicSpark: it does?! are you using a PPA version?
[00:56] <sebsebseb> it's ashame that I haven't got the new boot up screen  in vm's :(  the blue bar though yeah.  altough last time I loaded up a vm,  it loaded up pretty quick
[00:56] <AtomicSpark> Sarvatt: I'm using Lucid, same thing?
[00:56] <sebsebseb> it's annoying how the thing I want to test the most, I don't just see/get.
[00:56] <h00k> I get the bluebar on my nvidia laptop, new logo on my intel netbook
[00:57] <AtomicSpark> weird. i sometimes see the blue bar on my VM
[00:57] <sebsebseb> h00k: that seems odd, why some computers would get the new, and others woud get the old.  or  vm's.
[00:57] <sebsebseb> they haven't done Plymouth properly I guess themewise and so on
[00:57] <ZykoticK9> sebsebseb, i'm only getting the blue bar in both my VMs and physical install - don't even know what the boot screen looks like (other then the Brand screenshots)
[00:57] <AtomicSpark> I know why.
[00:57] <h00k> sebsebseb: because plymouth and nvidia
[00:57] <yofel> sebsebseb: I think plymouth requires KMS, doesn't it?
[00:57] <Ian_Corne> h00k: is your laptop upgraded
[00:57] <dylan-m> h00k: if you really want Plymouth you can always install the Nouveau driver for NVidia. (You probably have the proprietary one, which of course does fancier 3D)
[00:57] <Ian_Corne> or fresh install?
[00:57] <AtomicSpark> I believe nvidia users are having a problem with plymouth.
[00:57] <h00k> Ian_Corne: a fresh install.
[00:57] <sebsebseb> holstein: Plymouth and Nivida?  well the graphics card in this computer is Nivida
[00:57] <Ian_Corne> weird
[00:57] <Ian_Corne> it should work then
[00:58] <sebsebseb> yofel: KMS sounds familur, but what's that?
[00:58] <yofel> sebsebseb: 'kernel mode setting'
[00:58] <h00k> dylan-m: yeah, I would like 'fancier' 3d for my docky :( I did try nouveau, however, and it worked
[00:58] <Ian_Corne> it uses nouveau during boot
[00:58] <sebsebseb> yofel: oh right uhmm well  my vm's have been done in Virtualbox
[00:58] <AtomicSpark> dylan-m: Lucid users are encouraged not to use the nvidia proprietary driver until they know it's safe.
[00:58] <AtomicSpark> dylan-m: due to the reports of hardware getting damaged.
[00:58] <Ian_Corne> and then switches to nvidia priopetary drive when X is launched
[00:58] <sebsebseb> Ian_Corne: propritary driver?  well I don't have that installed in vm
[00:59] <dylan-m> AtomicSpark: Good, good. Besides that, the extra attention to Nouveau will be awesome! :)
[00:59] <Ian_Corne> sebsebseb: i don't know about the VM :p
[00:59] <h00k> AtomicSpark: I forgot about that, I should check.
[00:59] <sebsebseb> what's  Nouveau  open source Nivida driver?
[00:59] <AtomicSpark> I have no idea!
[00:59] <AtomicSpark> Let me sort through my email. :(
[00:59] <ZykoticK9> sebsebseb, replaces nv (yes to open source)
[00:59] <dylan-m> sebsebseb: Yup! Apparently it does 2D better than NVidia's one :)
[01:00] <sebsebseb> I read something about that
[01:00] <h00k> wait...jockey-gtk says both drivers are activated and neither are in use.
[01:00] <sebsebseb> open source Nivida driver
[01:00] <yofel> dylan-m: it does, and nv has NO 3d support, nouveau at least a bit
[01:00] <AtomicSpark> Found it
[01:00] <AtomicSpark> Here's the warning for nvidia users https://lists.launchpad.net/xorg-prop-drivers-testers/msg00108.html
[01:00] <ZykoticK9> h00k, my system says the same thing - it's a lie
[01:01] <h00k> ZykoticK9: I don't know what it's using :D
[01:01] <Sarvatt> you can get a splash with the nvidia blob or in a vm if you use uvesafb, have to unblacklist it though and you wont have the splash up for more than a second or two because there is no ddx patch to leave the graphic on the screen after X loads so theres not much point
[01:01] <AtomicSpark> Also from the mailing lists, seems like nvidia users *are* seeing the blue strip instead with plymoth.
[01:01] <AtomicSpark> I suspect it to be a driver issue.
[01:02] <ZykoticK9> h00k, i'm sure "lspci -vnvn" will show you it's nvidia
[01:03] <h00k> d'aw Kernel driver in use: nvidia
[01:03] <sebsebseb> Sarvatt: What's that?
[01:03] <dylan-m> AtomicSpark: the proprietary nvidia blob doesn't do KMS because NVidia hates America ;)
[01:03] <AtomicSpark> dylan-m: wfm
[01:03] <dylan-m> hence the blue bar
[01:04] <h00k> I'm gonna be switching to nouveau in a second. be back.
[01:04] <AtomicSpark> h00k: good luck!
[01:04] <AtomicSpark> i'mma dl and create vm of kubuntu
[01:05] <AtomicSpark> ugh. why did they go and name all of the isos the same.
[01:06] <yofel> AtomicSpark: I don't think all are, only k/ubuntu are the same -.-
[01:06] <AtomicSpark> thats.. annoying.
[01:06] <yofel> yep
[01:06] <ZykoticK9> AtomicSpark, someone in the channel said that all ubuntu+1 versions are like that, with the same name, regardless of ubuntu/kubuntu/etc
[01:06]  * AtomicSpark saves it as klucid
[01:08] <Sarvatt> its intended, only really works with a KMS driver such as nouveau intel or radeon. everyone else just gets a 16 color vga16fb that'll eventually be a little prettier than the blue bar at least but not yet. you can manually remove the blacklist of uvesafb from /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-framebuffer.conf and rebuild the initramfs tough to get a prettier splash. the splash is pretty much guaranteed to be useless for kubuntu though since the nice ply
[01:08] <Sarvatt> mouth to X transition stuff only works for gdm
[01:08] <AtomicSpark> or not lol. oh well. i'll get new isos next time anyways.
[01:08] <AtomicSpark> Well when I booted up and noticed my TTYs were 1920x1200 i was like :3
[01:09] <sebsebseb> hrm I am likeing the black theme in my vm a bit more this time,  however yeah icons on left by default is :(
[01:11] <dylan-m> hey, how do we get to the grub boot menu nowadays?
[01:12] <dylan-m> I think it's running with the default settings...
[01:12] <Sarvatt> hold shift while booting
[01:12] <dylan-m> ahh
[01:12] <dylan-m> :)
[01:12] <dylan-m> Thanks, Sarvatt
[01:12] <h00k> AtomicSpark: all is good.
[01:12] <h00k> AtomicSpark: phew.
[01:12] <AtomicSpark> h00k: twss
[01:12] <h00k> teehee
[01:15] <throughnothing> Anyone else having issues with clutter and apps that use clutter in lucid?  For me it seems like anything that uses clutter (gnome-shell, gnibbles, gnometris) started getting very very very slow within the past 5 days or so....but worked perfectly before that
[01:15] <throughnothing> compiz an other GL stuff work fine
[01:15] <dylan-m> throughnothing: it's all been working pretty well for me on a netbook with Intel graphics
[01:16] <throughnothing> dylan-m, even recently?
[01:16] <dylan-m> throughnothing: except Swell Foop. That one is weirdly slow
[01:16] <throughnothing> my laptop (macbook) has intel graphics as well
[01:16] <dylan-m> throughnothing: Yep.
[01:16] <throughnothing> if you have gnome-games installed and are up to date, can you try running gnibbles and see if its fine for you?
[01:17] <dylan-m> Sure! I'll install the latest updates, then try it
[01:17] <throughnothing> I talked to one other person who had the same issues with gnometris and gnibbles, but im not sure what video card he had
[01:17] <Sarvatt> clutter stuff has been horribly slow for over a month for me on intel, i think you're lucky :)
[01:17] <throughnothing> just wanna see if more people are having the issue...i dont think its my graphics card because compiz and other GL accelerated stuff work fine
[01:17] <throughnothing> it seems to be *only* clutter stuff
[01:17] <dylan-m> oh, I've been running with Metacity + compositing for a while instead of Compiz, so that _may_ be making a difference
[01:18] <crimsun> infecto: if you have the pulseaudio package installed, the pulse option should be top-most (primary/preferred) in KDE System Settings> Multimedia
[01:18] <throughnothing> dylan-m, hmmmm how do i run metacity compositing rather than compiz?  I'm not a huge fan of compiz
[01:19] <Sarvatt> check the compositing box in gconf-editor under apps/metacity/general i think it is
[01:19] <dylan-m> indeed :)
[01:19] <throughnothing> Sarvatt, is compiz the default for lucid if your hardware supports it?
[01:19] <dylan-m> then disable Compiz under Appearance Preferences
[01:19] <Sarvatt> mutter is whats been super slow for me, its metacity with a clutter based opengl compositing backend
[01:19] <throughnothing> Sarvatt, exactly the same for me
[01:19] <throughnothing> mutter is what I want to use
[01:20] <throughnothing> and i was using it, but for the past week (maybe more I guess), it has been unusable
[01:20] <throughnothing> what is the default for lucid going to be...metacity or compiz?
[01:20] <AtomicSpark> throughnothing: yes
[01:20] <Sarvatt> compiz if your hardware supports it yeah
[01:20] <AtomicSpark> throughnothing: compiz
[01:20] <Sarvatt> mutter for UNE
[01:20] <throughnothing> Sarvatt, dylan-m, wow, I like this metacity compositing waaay better already, the alt+tab is so much better, thats the biggest thing i hate about compiz
[01:21] <AtomicSpark> metacity compositing is buggy, but it works for those that dont support or hate compiz for some reason.
[01:21] <throughnothing> but the gnome-shell switcher is still even better
[01:21] <Sarvatt> try your clutter based games out under metacity instead of compiz, might be alot better
[01:21] <dylan-m> throughnothing: Indeed. Compiz's alt-tabbing is what keeps pushing me away, too.
[01:22] <throughnothing> yeah, workspace switching with metacity isnt as nice
[01:22] <throughnothing> gnome-shell is my favorite by far, its just horridly slow now due to clutter, and thus mutter, being unusable in lucid now
[01:22] <throughnothing> at least on my hardware
[01:23] <dylan-m> Okay, gnibbles with sound and speed set to finger-twitching good... going quite smoothly
[01:23] <Sarvatt> try with the xorg-edgers PPA once the 2.6.32-16 kernel is in the archives if you're on intel, that should be alot better
[01:23] <throughnothing> Sarvatt, that to me?  what do you mean?
[01:23] <dylan-m> there's the odd quick stutter (maybe related to the ring thingies), but I haven't been able to link that to anything and it's very rare
[01:24] <throughnothing> dylan-m, and you have an intel card? that's really strange
[01:24] <dylan-m> To rub it in, on a weak little netbook! :P
[01:25] <throughnothing> haha, lame sauce
[01:25] <throughnothing> though after a few minutes... the metacity alt+tab switcher is slow....it has a long delay before popping up, it just seems sluggish
[01:26] <dylan-m> I hope it starts working for you. The Clutter stuff has made a world of difference for gnome-games !
[01:26] <throughnothing> i know, an mutter was like my saviour
[01:26] <throughnothing> haha
[01:26] <throughnothing> mutter + gnome-shell
[01:26] <dylan-m> (I just wish I knew why the Network Game option in all of them is greyed out)
[01:26] <sebsebseb> hrm and now I like the grey theme a bit more, after trying again in vm
[01:26] <dylan-m> sebsebseb: it's weird that way. It slowly grows on you
[01:27] <dylan-m> soon, _it_ will be calling the shots
[01:27] <sebsebseb> dylan-m: soon it will be calling the shots?
[01:28] <poseidon> Hey guys, I was trying to install kubuntu lucid lynx on my 64bit intel centrino 2, however after I selected install or to test without installing, my screen went black. I was using the alpha 3 kubuntu 64bit install. I have an intel P7450
[01:28] <throughnothing> Sarvatt, I wish i knew how to debug this and try to figure out whats making it slow...since we know our hardware can handle it, it has to be a software problem....everything worked blazingly fast for me a week or so ago
[01:28] <sebsebseb> dylan-m: When certain apps are open the black theme looks a bit odd, but other then that it's alright.  Same for the grey.
[01:28]  * Sarvatt wishes gnome-sudoku had all the game types as ksudoku
[01:29] <dylan-m> sebsebseb: yep, it's slowly taking control of our minds
[01:29] <red> I've got an odd problem -- in Compiz settings I have set refresh rate to 50 and v-sync on, -> gksudo nvidia-settings refresh rate is 50hz, i can verify 50hz from lower, then I open up XBMC and playback a video and it has tearing. Now going in XBMC system info, it shows im actually hovering at 60HZ and not on my monitors native 50hz
[01:29] <red> and the odd part is
[01:29] <Starcraftmazter> Another thing, in the firefox address bar, when it comes up with the suggestions, the background is dark grey/brown and the text colour is dark blue, which looks terrible
[01:29] <red> when I set compiz on (full effects), it's the correct 50hz
[01:29] <red> but when I shutdown compiz and enable metacity for higher fps while playing (scaling takes a toll on the machine), while compiz is disabled the hz jumps back to 60
[01:29] <red> ignoring what I have set in nvidia-settings
[01:30] <sebsebseb> dylan-m: buttons have to be on the right though, and in the correct order,  in my case,   so  minimize, maximize, and close,  i'll try the command to change that soon for my first time.
[01:30] <red> now I do have two monitors, and other one is 60hz, so could it be getting the hz somehow from the left monitor?
[01:30] <red> both the monitor and TV are in separate X-sessions
[01:30] <sebsebseb> dylan-m: plus  I put icons back that are missing in system menu and places. icons :)
[01:33] <Strife89> Report: Lucid Alpha 3 does not seem to boot in VirtualBox 3.1.2. I gave the VM a gigabyte of RAM (the host has 4 GB total) and selected "Try Ubuntu without installing". The VM screen went black and has been that way for 20 minutes.
[01:34] <Strife89> Well, save for a single underscore.
[01:34] <ZykoticK9> Strife89, use VBox from Oracle's repo version 3.1.4 is certainly working for booting Lucid here
[01:35] <ZykoticK9> Strife89, try (right)ctrl+F1
[01:35] <arand> Strife89: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox-ose/+bug/510571
[01:35] <poseidon> Anyone know why the kubuntu alpha 3 install cd might not be working for me?
[01:36] <Strife89> ZykoticK9: The download of 3.1.4 will take a bit, so I'll try the key combo. :)
[01:37] <poseidon> I checked md5, I verified written data, and burned onto two cd's to make sure it wasn't the cd
[01:38] <arand> Strife89: or simply boot with acpi=off
[01:39] <Strife89> arand: Ah, much simpler. :)
[01:39] <Strife89> Three keystrokes and done. :P
[01:40] <arand> Strife89: and if you are using the -ose repo version, feel free to try the patched packages in my ppa ;)
[01:41] <Strife89> :)
[01:44] <red> got my problem sorted
[01:44] <red> i had to run nvidia-settings once while metacity was active
[01:44] <red> and the refresh rate got corrected for good it seems
[01:46] <BlueSTARS> evening everyone. I just upgraded to Xubuntu Lucid yesterday, yet I still seem to have HAL installed. Trying to remove threatens to remove xubuntu-desktop (don't want that!). What gives?
[01:46] <waltercool> just me or sometimes lucid stucks on boot? Before of bootsplash
[01:47] <red> waltercool: how do you attempt to remove it?
[01:47] <waltercool> red, what package?
[01:48] <BlueSTARS> red, talking to me?
[01:48] <red> oops :)
[01:48] <red> ment to speak to BlueSTARS yeah
[01:48] <BlueSTARS> red, aptitude remove hal
[01:48] <red> try apt-get remove hal
[01:48] <red> only removed pcmanf and hal for me
[01:48] <BlueSTARS> red, i'm running xubuntu (xfce4)
[01:48] <red> xubuntu has apt-get command
[01:48] <BlueSTARS> it does
[01:48] <red> it's my installation emdia :)
[01:49] <red> media*
[01:49] <BlueSTARS> lol ok
[01:49] <BlueSTARS> but it's still trying to remove xubuntu-desktop
[01:49] <red> for some reason the karmic / lucid discs don't work for me
[01:49] <red> hmm
[01:49] <BlueSTARS> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[01:49] <BlueSTARS>   hal thunar-volman xubuntu-desktop
[01:49] <BlueSTARS> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 3 to remove and 8 not upgraded.
[01:49] <BlueSTARS> i can live without thunar (i'm using nautilus for desktop and file mon)
[01:49] <BlueSTARS> but i need xubuntu-desktop, don't I? :D
[01:50] <red> BlueSTARS: yes if you wan't to run graphic :)
[01:50] <red> you could try if you remove HAL and reinstall xubuntu-desktop
[01:50] <BlueSTARS> actually, here's from the end of "apt-get show xubuntu-desktop"
[01:50] <BlueSTARS> It is safe to remove this package if some of the desktop system packages are
[01:50] <BlueSTARS>  not desired.
[01:50] <h00k> BlueSTARS: that's just a metapackage
[01:50] <red> it won't break your settings, BlueSTARS
[01:51] <BlueSTARS> red, h00k, here goes nothing :D
[01:51] <yofel> BlueSTARS: well, not really, xubuntu-desktop is a metapackage that makes sure all xubuntu packages are installed
[01:51] <red> h00k: metapackage that when removed will remove loads of other packages
[01:51] <h00k> red: not necessarily, no.
[01:51] <BlueSTARS> that was relatively painless....
[01:51] <BlueSTARS> it just removed HAL
[01:51] <BlueSTARS> and thunar
[01:51] <BlueSTARS> and xubuntu-desktop
[01:51] <BlueSTARS> so....
[01:52] <BlueSTARS> i'm still in xfce4 :D
[01:52] <Sarvatt> xubuntu is going to need hal BlueSTARS
[01:52] <BlueSTARS> Sarvatt why?
[01:52] <red> h00k: oh?
[01:52] <Sarvatt> its just gnome that had it (pretty much) removed
[01:52] <Sarvatt> disk mounting and such
[01:52] <red> i recall when replacing pcmanf into ubuntu, that removing nautilus removed ubuntu-desktop and loads of other stuff too
[01:53] <red> so in the end i had to leave the package since i couldnt find any way to remove it without getting other stuff away too
[01:53] <red> even tho gnome runs perfectly fine without nautilus
[01:53] <BlueSTARS> Sarvatt, I'm using kind of a bastardized version of Xubuntu
[01:53] <BlueSTARS> using nautilus for file mon and mounting and desktop
[01:53] <BlueSTARS> I just removed HAL
[01:53] <BlueSTARS> hopefully reboot doesn't kill me
[01:53] <BlueSTARS> oh, btw
[01:53] <red> any special reason why xfce?
[01:53] <Sarvatt> its not really a big deal having hal installed as it is now, it doesn't slow down boot like it used to and is just activated by things that need it
[01:53] <ZykoticK9> BluesKaj-Laptop, the removal of thunar-volman is also probably going to mean automounting in thunar won't work - just a heads-up
[01:54] <ZykoticK9> BlueSTARS, ^
[01:54] <BlueSTARS> ZykoticK9, that's alright. like i said, I use nautilus exclusively now
[01:54] <BlueSTARS> red, just like the looks better. that, and habit.
[01:54] <Strife89> Say, I read off-site that the final version will have a purple color scheme. Is that the case?
[01:55] <BlueSTARS> btw, last time i put my system to sleep, when it resumed, i just got the blue login screen (like what's behind the gdm user chooser) with no user chooser.
[01:55] <Ian_Corne> 12 upgraded, 23 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[01:55] <Ian_Corne> Need to get 29.2MB of archives.
[01:55] <Sarvatt> it does now, purple background and boot splash and gnome-terminal
[01:55] <Ian_Corne> ha, first time I encounter so manu new packages
[01:55] <Ian_Corne> being installed in a dist-upgrade
[01:56] <throughnothing> Sarvatt, you still around?
[01:56] <Sarvatt> do you only use stable releases? 500MB of upgrades after a week of not upgrading doesn't surprise me in a +1 :D
[01:56] <throughnothing> Sarvatt, I may have found a solution at least
[01:57] <Sarvatt> magical driconf option?
[01:57] <Ian_Corne> Sarvatt: I'm always on alpha 1 :p
[01:57] <red> upgrade install was funny
[01:57] <Ian_Corne> but it's th new install
[01:57] <red> 1,5GB of packages :)
[01:57] <throughnothing> Sarvatt, I have mutter running back to normal now...  CLUTTER_VBLANK=none mutter --replace
[01:57] <BlueSTARS> where are logs made during the suspend and resume processes?
[01:58] <Sarvatt> hmmmmm
[01:58] <Sarvatt> BlueSTARS: dmesg and /var/log/pm-suspend.log
[01:58] <BlueSTARS> Sarvatt ty
[01:58] <thak> Alright... I turned the stupid Me Menu off... how do I turn it back on?
[01:59] <Sarvatt> I'll try that throughnothing, thanks :)
[01:59] <Sarvatt> thak: add indicator applet session to your panel?
[01:59] <thak> That makes the volume control and the email icon appear
[01:59] <thak> But not the main Me Menu as far as I'm aware
[02:00] <red> throughnothing: what does "clutter based" mean :)
[02:00] <red> (reading about mutter)
[02:01] <Ian_Corne> thak: no there's indicator-applet and indicator-applet-session
[02:01] <Ian_Corne> 2 diffrent applets
[02:01] <thak> Thanks
[02:01] <thak> That was it =D
[02:02] <throughnothing> red, clutter is an opengl accelerated toolkit for doing cool, smooth, graphics things....so clutter based would be an application that uses clutter toolkit
[02:02] <throughnothing> red, http://clutter-project.org/
[02:02] <thak> Does anyone know why all of the functionality got mushed together in the two indicator-applets?
[02:03] <thak> Is that the plan for release, or just a temporary thing?
[02:05] <sebsebseb> !panel | thak
[02:05] <sebsebseb> !panels | thak
[02:05] <sebsebseb> thought the first one would be wrong, both should work for that factoid really, but no
[02:06] <BlueSTARS> here's another little thing that's bothering me: whenever my system starts up, it says (roughly) "Unable to mount none on /dev: no such device." then hangs for a good 30 seconds. There's no such line in my fstab. What could be causing that?
[02:06] <red> BlueSTARS: sure there ain't an empty line in the fstab?
[02:07] <BlueSTARS> red, there's one at the end, but that shouldn't cause it to try to mount on /dev should it?
[02:07] <BlueSTARS> running 'mount' right now shows a tmpfs mounted on /dev
[02:09] <BluesKaj-Laptop> BlueSTARS, move your cursor to the bottom line and to right of the last letter, hit enter , then save the file.
[02:09] <BluesKaj-Laptop> fstab that is
[02:09] <BlueSTARS> alright, now there's two newlines at the end
[02:10] <rkvirani> How do I get sun-jdk?
[02:11] <BluesKaj-Laptop> 2 new lines ?
[02:11] <Ian_Corne> I think you need to enable backports rkvirani
[02:11] <BlueSTARS> two blank lines
[02:11] <Ian_Corne> or multi/uni
[02:11] <rkvirani> Why is it not available by default?
[02:11] <ZykoticK9> rkvirani, add the Partner repository
[02:11] <BluesKaj-Laptop> back up one line
[02:11] <Ian_Corne> because ubuntu is going for the openjdk approuch
[02:11] <Ian_Corne> which it is not ready for yet
[02:12] <Ian_Corne> but w/e
[02:12] <rkvirani> hrm..
[02:12] <rkvirani> If I use openjdk I might fail my assignments
[02:12] <rkvirani> they have to compile with Sun's JDK
[02:12] <rkvirani> thats what my prof uses.
[02:12] <Ian_Corne> same here
[02:12] <Ian_Corne> my programs just don't work with openjdk
[02:12] <rkvirani> Ian_Corne, just updating my apt repostieroy
[02:12] <BlueSTARS> i'm pretty sure the fstab has nothing to do with my error. I think there's something up with udev as it is configured in 10.04 v. 9.10
[02:13] <rkvirani> Ian_Corne, thanks alot, installing sun-jdk
[02:13] <sebsebseb> rkvirani: From #ubuntu to the correct channel, anyway I thought it was available some how,   I remember people were on about the java issue before in here, partner repo did get mentioned
[02:13] <Ian_Corne> np
[02:13] <Ian_Corne> gn all
[02:13] <rkvirani> sebsebseb, youneed the partner repo Ian_Corne was right
[02:14] <rkvirani> gn
[02:15] <agoole> hi, does anyone have an idea how to configure the notifications for kopete ?
[02:15] <agoole> or is it a bug ?
[02:36] <jimlovell777> I just installed Alpha 3 and have a few questions. When I opened Firefox for the first time the default search is now Yahoo. Is that a permanent change? What's the reasoning? Also Empathy doesn't let you add an IRC account until after you've added a different account for another service. This is really annoying if you only use IRC.
[02:38] <ZykoticK9> jimlovell777, the Yahoo change is documented ALL OVER the internet - yes it's a permanent change, Canonical got some money from Yahoo.  Regarding the Empathy thing, I'd check to see if a bug is already reported, and if not, report one :)  Enjoy Lucid.
[02:39] <trism> jimlovell777: this seems to be the explanation   https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-January/030065.html
[02:40] <jimlovell777> ZykoticK9, trism: Thanks, I normally do a search for stuff like that and didn't this time, guess I should have stuck with my habit.
[02:43] <ZykoticK9> jimlovell777, i'm sorry, i certainly didn't mean to "just google it" at you -- it's just a sensitive issue, causing a lot of "talk" recently.  I was unable to find a bug related to Empathy and not being able to add IRC, so you really should report it.  Good luck man.
[02:45] <jimlovell777> ZykoticK9: Oh I get you, I in this case I deserved a "Go Google it!". Of course I have my own opinion on the Yahoo switch but it it took me half a second to switch to Google, stopped affecting my life.
[02:45] <C-S-B> yeah the whole yahoo/backend bing thing is a tough pill to swallow. I hope the money made helps make it better
[02:46] <C-S-B> in fact, you could have yahoo'd it lol
[02:46] <seanbrystone> lol
[02:47] <jimlovell777> C-S-B: I have a light concern for Mozilla, I don't think they're going to go broke but with the number of people who keep settings at their default I see Mozilla missing a lot of affiliate revenue. Oh well.
[02:47] <C-S-B> so worth moving to lucid yet? I'm thinking of waiting til at least the beta 1
[02:48] <C-S-B> are the boot optimisations in yet?
[02:48] <C-S-B> 10 sec  boots anyone?
[02:50] <jimlovell777> C-S-B: I don't know if it was 10 secs but my 5yr old laptop booted pretty quick.
[02:51] <seanbrystone> 10 sec boot? O.o
[02:51] <jimlovell777> C-S-B: Quick enough to be a between a resume from hibernate and a resume from sleep.
[02:51] <Damascene> hello, have  some one noticed that if you plug usb keyboard to your laptop that will turn the numlk on on your laptop keyboard
[02:51]  * C-S-B hovers over the enter key on a update-manager -d prompt...
[02:52]  * jimlovell777 plays dramatic music
[02:53] <BlueSTARS> Is there any way to get the Gwibber menu in Xubuntu?
[02:53] <ZykoticK9> C-S-B, my bootchart is saying 49 seconds
[02:53] <C-S-B> ouch-ish
[02:53]  * jimlovell777 just realized empathy is accepting IRC commands, yay!
[02:54] <C-S-B> how clean is an upgrade?
[02:54] <ZykoticK9> C-S-B, that is on Dual-Core AMD64 6400+ CPU with 4G RAM
[02:55] <jimlovell777> C-S-B: I'm not sure, I always prefer a fresh install over an upgrade but I script stuff and make an almost obscene amount of backups. Beta is out on the 18th if you want to wait for that.
[02:55] <C-S-B> i might
[02:56] <C-S-B> if i had my vaio up and running id upgrade this acer one but its my only comp...
[02:56] <C-S-B> saying that, i have an rsync of my home dir.
[02:56] <C-S-B> So it wouldnt be that bad if it went the way of the dodo
[02:56] <ZykoticK9> C-S-B, unless you want to help out and post bug reports - i'd recommend waiting... up to you.
[02:57] <C-S-B> i do, and cant at the same time
[02:58] <jimlovell777> ZykoticK9: There is a bug report for the empathy/irc issue, they say they don't plan to fix it..... :-\
[02:58] <ZykoticK9> jimlovell777, that's not good news, have the bug number?
[02:59] <jimlovell777> ZykoticK9: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/433714 Comment nine explains why.
[02:59] <dylan-m> We're working on a redesign for Ubuntu's installer slideshow that fits the new branding... little preview at http://people.ubuntu.com/~dylanmccall/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/redesign-lucid/ubuntu/slides/index.html#controls
[02:59] <dylan-m> The art is by Michael Forrest. Ignore the ugly transition effect; I know it needs to change.
[02:59] <dylan-m> I would love some feedback if you can spare a moment :)
[03:02]  * C-S-B hit the enter key
[03:02] <jimlovell777> dylan-m: Any specific area of feedback? First impressions? What the bullet points are? Graphics? I think it's well laid out and designed. If I were a new user it's on par with what I'd expect to see.
[03:03] <dylan-m> jimlovell777: Oh, specifically the visual stuff, really. That's what has changed here vs. what's released
[03:03] <jimlovell777> dylan-m: I actually like the transitions. Pics look great too, modern and crisp if I had to describe them.
[03:06] <dylan-m> jimlovell777: Great to see! Thanks :) The circle in the background felt a bit odd to me, so I'm hoping it was just my own weird brain messing with me
[03:17] <arand> dylan-m: Is the dots around te icon really on agreement with the "brand" as given, from what I've heard they were ment to signify geeky-nes. Apart from that it looks really nice I have to say, I'm missing the music store in the music/movies section... Or is U1 coming in as a separate slide, or at all?
[03:18] <jimlovell777> What's the feasibility of having like a bug liaison to help file bug reports. I can think of people like my Mom or Dad who don't care what OS they're using and also don't mind contributing back but have neither the knowledge or interest in deciding why something crashed and how to report it. If it were as easy as Problem? What happened? Run this, this and this and I'll take it from here they might become useful in the community sense.
[03:18] <arand> dylan-m: Ah, bit of a misswording there, the dots looks really nice, simply visually, the "brand" consideration was separate.
[03:19] <dylan-m> arand: The background, design, etc. is from one of the design people at Canonical, so I'm taking his word for it ;)
[03:20] <dylan-m> arand: the dots vary a little. There are wider spaced dots and dense dots, and places where they are used in higher quantity. The motif seems to run through the whole thing. (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand2 provides a pretty nice feel for it)
[03:20] <Damascene> is there any special way to install the mplayer codec in Lucid?
[03:22] <ZykoticK9> Damascene, have you installed ubuntu-restricted-extras?  and/or the Medibuntu non-free packages?  What are you having troubles playing with mplayer?
[03:23] <Damascene> rstp live stream
[03:23] <Damascene> *rtsp
[03:25]  * jimlovell777 just discovered the video editor and is pleased.
[03:25] <ZykoticK9> Damascene, sorry I have no experience with rtsp, good luck
[03:25] <arand> dylan-m: fair enough, I mean it's a picky detail and as long as it looks nice, rather irrelevant, it was actually from those, and Mark's blog I took the "denseness measure" from...
[03:27] <Damascene> I think that lucid have changed something and putting the codecs in /usr/lib isn't working any more
[03:27] <arand> dylan-m: For the first slide though, is the CoF going to change according to the new monochrome style?
[03:29] <dylan-m> arand: Hopefully! I'm waiting for ideas on the best approach. A grey circle of friends looks awfully drab :)
[03:32] <arand> dylan-m: And, when staring at it long enough, I start to feel that maybe... the dots around the iconspace should be circularly symmetric (no idea if that woudl actually look ok, or break the brand rule even more), since as it is there is kind of this uneven break of the circular and straight symmetry...
[03:33] <dylan-m> Sorry, I'm not entirely sure I follow you there. Is that about how they line up with the white solid circle?
[03:34] <dylan-m> Yah, they look a tad off-center to me, too...
[03:35] <arand> dylan-m: Yea, the dots just by the border of the white is kind of, jumping around in that break of circular/straight, and not really looking like they fit in in either...
[03:35] <Damascene> ZykoticK9, is there a way to install only the audio codec I want from ubuntu-restricted-extras? I don't need the java or the other things with the package
[03:35] <ZykoticK9> Damascene, not that I'm aware of - think it's an "all or nothing" sorta thing.
[03:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> surely you can install the package which ubuntu-restricted-extras is depending on?
[03:36] <trism> Damascene: you can list the dependencies with apt-cache depends ubuntu-restricted-extras; and then install the packages from it you want
[03:37] <dylan-m> arand: aha, I think I see what you mean there. I'll point it out to Michael. Thanks! :)
[03:37] <Damascene> I think I will search for gstreamer
[03:38] <Damascene> GStreamer RTSP server plugin (Python bindings) << I found that but I want to listen not to stream
[03:38] <arand> dylan-m: It is a very "stare-at-it-long-enough" thing though, so I'm not sure...
[03:38] <dylan-m> Heh, that's the trick with this. Hopefully people won't be distracted by these little nagging things
[03:39] <Damascene> No supported stream was found. You might need to install a GStreamer RTSP extension plugin for Real media streams.
[03:40] <trism> Damascene: you could try vlc, it seems to support them
[03:41] <Damascene> I tried but I don't know maybe they are using another codec with their stream
[03:42] <ZykoticK9> Damascene, can I ask what stream it is?  do you have a link perhaps?
[03:42] <Damascene> rtsp://<IP_ADDRESS>:554/encoder/barak.rm
[03:45] <Damascene> does any one have a link to test?
[03:47] <ZykoticK9> Damascene, my mplayer shows no video for that file - /usr/lib/codecs/sipr.so.6.0 no such file or directory
[03:47] <JanC> arand: there is an optical illusion effect with the CoF inside a circle that I perceived as "wrong" too
[03:48] <Damascene> ZykoticK9, it's audio only
[03:48] <ZykoticK9> Damascene, oh well the audio was playing
[03:48] <Damascene> really? how did that worked?
[03:49] <Damascene> you have the restricted extra installed?
[03:49] <ZykoticK9> Damascene, yes, as well as Medibuntu's non-free-codecs package
[03:50] <ZykoticK9> Damascene, let me just confirm that - though i heard noise coming from my headphones, but I'm currently checking for sure -- caching is VERY slow
[03:51] <Damascene> it's in Arabic if that could help
[03:51] <ZykoticK9> Damascene, yup audio working
[03:51] <Damascene> good, thanks
[03:54] <arand> JanC: You mean the way it's nver really possible for it to keep perfectly in the centre (although it is), due to the imbalance of the CoF icon?
[03:58] <arand> JanC: hmm, it isn't actually in the centre, as is none of the icons...
[03:58] <dylan-m> arand: That's true. Laziness on my part. Just fixed the centreing on my end :P
[03:59] <dylan-m> I was just experimenting with the logo. Two ideas:
[03:59] <dylan-m> http://people.ubuntu.com/~dylanmccall/screenshots/ubiquity-slideshow/ubuntu-logo-grey.png
[03:59] <dylan-m> http://people.ubuntu.com/~dylanmccall/screenshots/ubiquity-slideshow/ubuntu-logo-orange.png
[04:01] <arand> dylan-m: But then again, I actuallt think they look a bit better when they're sifted up a bit (as they currently are), since otherwise they almost seem to hang down outside the "designeted space" so to speak.
[04:03] <dns53>  dylan-m i like the grey version
[04:04] <dylan-m> oh, the super-sized icon is just for the logo, of course. But yah, that's the other thing with the space. The horizontal centreing can be fixed scientifically. The vertical bit needs someone who understands design.
[04:06] <arand> dylan-m: True, the grey one is horrible, like everything is in depressing greyscale... The CoF is kind of a tricky thing, knowing that it's supposed to be people, you immidiately now think "Aha! Ubuntu now promotes monoculture!"... My best attempt I think is with simply orange: http://imagebin.org/87997
[04:08] <dylan-m> arand: Oh, that looks good
[04:08] <dylan-m> The grey one may look better with a different shade of grey, but it is VERY monotonous with all that other grey around it
[04:08] <arand> dylan-m: Tried this one as well, doesn't work in my opinion: http://imagebin.org/87999
[04:09] <dylan-m> too many circles, indeed. I'm working on eradicating the circle icons next :)
[04:14] <LiraNuna> can someone please tell me I'm not dreaming
[04:14] <LiraNuna> http://liranuna.com/junk/ihatelucid.png
[04:15] <LiraNuna> why does Cannonical need to copy like that?
[04:15] <LiraNuna> top bar icons are now black, window icons position (moved to left)
[04:20] <arand> LiraNuna: They' haven't copied, the controls are in the wrong order, see? :þ But yea, sabdfl has always kind of implied that a "free OSX" might be a desirable goal, so no surprises really..
[04:21] <LiraNuna> I am not pleased with this goal
[04:21] <LiraNuna> arand, why did they move the buttons anyway?
[04:21] <LiraNuna> and, what's next? Ctrl and Windows key swapped and icon'd?
[04:21] <dylan-m> Best reason I can think up is it gives us a bigger grab handle for moving windows
[04:22] <dylan-m> (menu bar acts as a handle, too)
[04:22] <DanaG1> If you're going to copy, then how about doing a good job, not a crap job?
[04:22] <arand> LiraNuna: I don't have the slightest idea. Afaik, none really has been given, apart from "shove the clutter to one side.."
[04:22] <DanaG1> a good job: http://home.comcast.net/~odnt/12012009.jpg
[04:22] <DanaG1> still looks good even with buttons-on-the-right.
[04:27] <jimlovell777> I moved the buttons back to the right where I like them but now I have to contend with the switched min max buttons. I like the new theme but if I switch the min max to how they were it looks like garbage because the max and close make a nice loop and min has it's own square.
[04:30] <jimlovell777> Each new release forces me to make more changes on each fresh install. They're all personal preferences and to each his own but I definitely don't like some of the new "improvements". The silver lining being we have to freedom to make that change on our own. Ubuntu we've had our ups and downs but  I still love you :-* lol
[04:32] <minimec> jimlovell777: How would I move them back to the right. I don't find the option in the window settings menu...
[04:34] <jimlovell777> minimec: alt+f2, gconf-editor: Apps -> Metacity -> General and change the line button_layout from maximize,minimize,close: to :maximize,minimize,close
[04:34] <DanaG1> And this change is not only stupid... it's also damn arrogant.
[04:34] <DanaG1> It breaks all other themes!
[04:34] <DanaG1> It's like they're saying: "Like other themes? screw you."
[04:34] <jimlovell777> DanaG1: All the theme pics still show right window controls, I guess the pics will be fixed....
[04:34] <DanaG1> ... we're going to break your buttons!
[04:35] <jimlovell777> DanaG1: Like I said I'm not a fan of the change but for geeks it's an easy fix -graphically
[04:36] <DanaG1> And if the idea is to convert people from OS X or Windows... having buttons that are nowhere near like either of them, isn't a good way of doing things.
[04:36] <DanaG1> hmm, is there some actual formal bug report about this?
[04:36] <minimec> jimlovell777: You made my day ;) THX
[04:37] <bjsnider> DanaG1, what change breaks all other themes?
[04:38] <jimlovell777> DanaG1: In the very least it seems silly to leave so much unused space on the right corner. Why cram everything together and cause accidental clicks on menus etc... Imagine some app or site you have open and when you head to the bookmarks menu you hit close instead. I'd want to slap somebody
[04:38] <DanaG1> The buttons.
[04:38] <bjsnider> not this crap again
[04:38] <DanaG1> I _already_ want to slap somebody. =þ
[04:38] <DanaG> With a funnoodle, for additional amusement.
[04:39] <DanaG> (those noodly floaty pool toys, in case the reference is unfamiliar.)
[04:39] <jimlovell777> I think not knowing what a funnooodle is makes its better. lol
[04:39] <bjsnider> leave it alone
[04:40] <DanaG> leave my BUTTONS alone!
[04:40] <bjsnider> oh gimme a break
[04:41] <DanaG> you already did BREAK... my buttons.  (okay, now I'm just getting annoying.)
[04:42] <DanaG> anyway, anything you'd say, could be twisted to apply to the buttons change. =þ
[04:42] <bjsnider> the buttons aren't used anymore in the gnome-shell anyway
[04:42] <bjsnider> except maybe close
[04:42] <DanaG> anyway, I'm using "Homosapien" theme right now.
[04:43] <DanaG> My only gripe: focus on buttons is nearly invisible.
[04:43] <jimlovell777> I've already made my opinions known so I'll just close by saying any purposeful change that results in bug reports doesn't seem like a good change.
[04:44] <bjsnider> yeah, you can't please everybody
[04:44] <DanaG> Still, there's something to be said for not rocking the boat (or more like turning it upside down).
[04:45] <jimlovell777> bjsnider: I know and respect that. I've already changed things to how I like it. I'm not demanding a change, just expressing my feeling on the subject.
[04:45] <DanaG> My specific gripe is not the left-handedness of it... it's the fact that it's not consistent with either OS X OR Windows, and thus will break muscle memory.
[04:45] <DanaG> oh, and the fact that the package forcibly applies gconf settings no matter what theme you use.
[04:46] <DanaG> Or at least, it seemed to do that for me.
[04:46] <dylan-m> DanaG: The package sets the defaults, so if you've actively changed the button arrangement it won't affect you
[04:46] <dylan-m> it's just that very few people actively change the button arrangement
[04:47] <dylan-m> which makes sense, normally
[04:47] <DanaG> hmm, now, does gconf do what Firefox does, and remove from the profile any settings that happen to match the default?
[04:48] <dylan-m> DanaG: I actually don't know if it does or not. I don't _think_ so :)
[04:48] <DanaG> example: firefox profile shared between windows and linux; middle-click default on windows is autoscroll; default on Linux is paste.
[04:48] <arand> DanaG: Furtunately no
[04:48] <jimlovell777> Where does the purple come in? I'm partially color blind and on a window like terminal I can see it but in the little squares of the appearances settings window I cannot. Is that color accessable on the cutomize appearence-> Colors tab?
[04:48] <DanaG> jimlovell777: that seems to be another setting that was forcibly changed (defaults altered).
[04:49] <DanaG> check "profile properties" -- in there, it looks very close to black, but is actually purple.
[04:51] <arand> Ubuntu really does go for odd colours I have to say, seems like we're going to change from being the brown distro, to being the one with purple terminal.
[04:52] <jimlovell777> DanaG: Where's profile properties?
[04:52] <DanaG> "edit" menu.
[04:52] <DanaG> profile properties, rather.
[04:52] <bjsnider> arand, better than being ordinary
[04:52] <DanaG> er
[04:52] <DanaG> preferences.
[04:53] <arand> jimlovell777: on the terminal itself..
[04:53] <jimlovell777> arand, danaG: Ahhh, I was looking at the global Appearance Preferences. Now I at least have a chance. Thanks.
[04:53] <arand> bjsnider: That does depend. If something stands out to much it becomes unpleasant.
[04:54] <bjsnider> and it can be changed
[04:56] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, what are you saying!  the defaults must be left EXACTLY as they are.  </sarcasm>  :)
[04:56] <arand> Everything can be changed. But there's something to be said for good defaults as well.
[04:57] <bjsnider> yeah, this is osx
[04:58] <arand> THen again, overall response seems to be positive towards the new theme, hence all is good as long as gconf works.
[04:58] <DanaG> And the fact that changing defaults affects existing users... is bad.
[04:58] <jimlovell777> I'm pleased as punch that Lucid comes with a video editor. I'm not sure how well it works but I've tried many others throughout the years and they either didn't work well, didn't work at all or were a HUGE pain to install (I'm looking at you Cinelerra).
[04:58] <DanaG> It's essentially forcibly changing existing settings.
[04:58] <DanaG> oh yeah, I unset all of GDM user's gconf keys... and somehow got a rooster as the login-screen wallpaper.
[04:58] <DanaG> Apparently gdm's defaults aren't correct.
[04:59] <jimlovell777> bjsnider: Are you a developer?
[05:00] <bjsnider> why, do you want to complain about something?
[05:00] <arand> DanaG: isn't those related to the gconf-settings for other users thoough? Like gdm or root, iirc
[05:00] <jimlovell777> bjsnider: No, quite the opposite in fact.
[05:01] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1423210
[05:01] <bjsnider> no, i'm not a developer
[05:02] <arand> DanaG: btw, was there some bug of plymouth/noveau that made it crash on pressing enter?
[05:02] <DanaG> beats me... I haven't used nvidia stuff in a while.
[05:03] <DanaG> I have ATI (and am glad of it, actually).
[05:03] <lubosz> how do i change the button location to right?
[05:04] <arand> Right, I've got to look into that soon I think.. since gdm almost reliably crashes once every boot, and I can't install the proprietary driver..
[05:04] <ZykoticK9> lubosz, gconftool-2 --set "/apps/metacity/general/button_layout" --type string ":maximize,minimize,close"
[05:04] <lubosz> ZykoticK9: thx
[05:05] <ZykoticK9> lubosz, sorry: gconftool-2 --set "/apps/metacity/general/button_layout" --type string ":minimize,maximize,close"
[05:06] <lubosz> when i booted without the proprietary nvidia driver, i had a correct display resolution in tty. now i installed it and its verl low again. is this because of the nv driver?
[05:06] <lubosz> ZykoticK9: you send 2 time the same line. that worked bt
[05:06] <lubosz> w
[05:06] <lubosz> oh no sorry
[05:06] <lubosz> i see
[05:07] <ZykoticK9> lubosz, actually the maximize and minimize are different
[05:07] <arand> ZykoticK9: that will get them back to original, but break the appearance horribly, right?
[05:07] <ZykoticK9> arand, if you're using the new themes - YES
[05:07]  * jimlovell777 adds ZykoticK9s line to a fresh install customizing script.
[05:07] <lubosz> i use the ubuntu studio theme
[05:07] <lubosz> it does not seem to be very different
[05:08] <arand> ZykoticK9: I would hope that get's changed, if not just because it also odd up on two- or singe-button windows..
[05:09] <DanaG> http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/3/4/428
[05:09] <DanaG> interesting.
[05:10] <jimlovell777> DanaG: I never told you but I don't like reading. When someone shows me something interesting to read I'm now compelled to do something I don't like and I therefore become displeased.
[05:11] <jimlovell777> :-p
[05:11] <lubosz> lol i got the nvidia driver 195.36.08 from the repo
[05:11] <lubosz> nvidia removed it from their sites
[05:11] <lubosz> because of the fan problem
[05:11] <DanaG> is that the one that melts GPUs?
[05:11] <lubosz> yes
[05:11] <lubosz> ^^
[05:11] <DanaG> Nice job, nvidia... doing in DRIVER what should damn well be done in FIRMWARE.
[05:11] <lubosz> 195.30 is current beta
[05:12] <lubosz> 195.36.08 and 195.36.03 were pulled back
[05:12] <DanaG> Or at least, they should have an über-failsafe mode with one trip point in firmware: "way too hot" -> "fan to full".
[05:12] <jimlovell777> DanaG: It doesn't melt GPUs, it temporarily turns them intro silicon boilers. Get your facts right.
[05:12] <lubosz> i wasn't able to install the binary 195.30 because of kernel source version issues
[05:13]  * DanaG is using the open-source driver... even has GLSL support!
[05:13] <lubosz> DanaG: i realised that i have correct resolution support in tty with that driver, can you confirm it?
[05:14] <DanaG> er,
[05:14] <DanaG> oops,
[05:14] <DanaG> I meant open ATI driver.
[05:14] <DanaG> =þ
[05:14] <lubosz> T_T
[05:14] <DanaG> But yeah, nouveau does do kernel-mode-setting.
[05:14] <DanaG> That's the "native-res console" thing.
[05:14] <jimlovell777> DanaG: Does seem odd that it's not a guaranteed thing. I watched something not too long ago where a guy was trying his best to destroy an Intel Core i7 and try as he might he couldn't. The chip safely shutdown every time, even while running Prime95 with no heatsink.
[05:14] <lubosz> and the nvidia.com driver does not do that?
[05:14] <lubosz> i need that feature :p
[05:15] <DanaG> nvidia binaries don't do KMS, right.
[05:15] <DanaG> righty-oh.
[05:15] <lubosz> on my notebook i have a black screen after nvidia driver initialization when i try to change back into console
[05:15] <lubosz> i really don't like that about their drivers
[05:16] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1416185
[05:16] <lubosz> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-March/030380.html
[05:17] <DanaG> oh yeah, nouveau from xorg-edgers does do 3D... though on a geforce6100 system I tried it on, it gave only a maximum of 8 FPS, and a minimum of zero (lockup).
[05:18] <lubosz> maybe i should try it
[05:20] <lubosz> DanaG: http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu ?
[05:20] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[05:23] <lubosz> thx
[05:23] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633
[05:23] <DanaG> hmm, everyone who gripes (including me): vote "affects me too"
[06:07] <zombie0> hey guys, I just installed the live cd build from today. Working great on my asus lappie except the battery and sound notification icons disappeared by the clock
[06:07] <zombie0> I have rebooted and checked that the acpi service is running
[06:07] <zombie0> if I unplug I get the message telling me how much power is left and it recognies that I plug it in but no actual icon
[06:14] <Omar87> Hi all.
[06:16] <Omar87> I have installed Ubuntu 10.04 alpha 3, and I would first like to congratulate you for: a) The new kool theme and logo. and b) The less than 5 SECONDS BOOT TIME! xD
[06:18] <Omar87> However, although you might not enjoy this, I still like to renew the call for the Ubuntu dev team to dump Mono and remove it from the default install.
[06:29] <Omar87> And last but not least, I have a slight problem (a bug actually), the screen lock password prompt keeps crashing (I enter my password, hit enter, and keeps checking the password forever).
[06:31] <ZykoticK9> Omar87, you might want to take a look at bug 524860
[06:33] <Omar87> ZykoticK9, exactly, that's it. Thanks.
[06:36] <Omar87> ZykoticK9: Btw, I can also get around it for now, by simply unchecking the "Lock screen when screensaver is active" option.
[06:36] <ZykoticK9> Omar87, that bug doesn't affect my system, for whatever reason?  My lock seems to work fine.
[06:37] <Omar87> ZykoticK9, I'm not sure what's wrong, but it keeps happening to me also all the time.
[06:37] <solid_liquid> Omar87, what bug?  it may be like one I have
[06:37] <Omar87> almost*
[06:38] <Omar87> solid_liquid, the screen lock password prompt crashes when I enter my password and hit enter.
[06:39] <solid_liquid> Omar87, oh, my laptop locks up when the screen blanks (most of the time)
[06:39] <solid_liquid> it didn't do that with the packages from a week or so ago
[06:45] <solid_liquid> so anyway, I was saying
[06:45] <solid_liquid> Omar87, oh, my laptop locks up when the screen blanks (most of the time)
[06:45] <solid_liquid> it didn't do that with the packages from a week or so ago
[06:45] <solid_liquid> (my connection dropped out)
[06:55] <xray7224> hey, what would i file a bug under for having issues with my screen resolution with a nvidia card ?
[06:56] <xray7224> would it be the driver or the os because the nvidia propitiatory driver can't really do it ether
[06:56] <xray7224> it use to be able to in for example karmic
[06:59] <Sensiva> xray7224 What is the issue?
[07:01] <xray7224> i can't get the right screen resolution with the nvidia free or propriatory drivers yet i use to be able to in karmic
[07:02] <xray7224> the screen resolution it should be is 1400x960
[07:02] <xray7224> no 1440
[07:02] <xray7224> i think
[07:02] <DanaG> 1400x1050 sound standard, as well as 1440x900.
[07:02] <DanaG> sounds standard.
[07:03] <xray7224> yeh its what it should be and karmic automatically detected that and such and i can't even get that with the propitiatory drive + nvidia tools or the free driver
[07:03] <Sensiva> xray7224 try modifying xorg.conf, if no luck then file bug for xserver-xorg-video-nv package. But I am sure you will get it work if you modify xorg.conf
[07:04] <xray7224> ok thanks
[07:05] <xray7224> brb
[07:14] <xray7224> there deosn't even seem to be a xorg.conf
[07:14] <ZykoticK9> xray7224, there isn't an xorg.conf by default
[07:14] <xray7224> :S why ?
[07:15] <ZykoticK9> it tries to figure things out automatically.  If you want to generate one see http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/create-an-xorg-conf-file
[07:15] <xray7224> should i use X -configure to create one ?
[07:16] <xray7224> lemmi go out of the gui then
[07:34] <arand> ZykoticK9: I would hope that get's changed, if not just because it also odd up on two- or singe-button windows..
[07:35] <ZykoticK9> arand, deja vu :)
[07:35] <arand> ZykoticK9: oops, sorry, misspaste.
[07:52] <MikeChelen1> just installed alpha 3 with alt cd, now boot goes to black screen + monitor off, even in recovery mode
[07:55] <ZykoticK9> MikeChelen1, you could try "nomodeset" directions at http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/quick-fixes
[08:01] <msf> hello everyone, I just installed lucid alpha-3 server (amd64) and upon boot I am not presented wit hany login prompt, I can however log into the machine via ssh
[08:01] <ZykoticK9> msf, try ctrl+alt+F1 or just alt+f1
[08:02] <msf> well that seems to have worked. how come it doesn't park itself on an active console by default ?
[08:02] <ZykoticK9> msf, known bug - i'm searching for it now
[08:03] <ZykoticK9> msf, sorry man i'm not easily finding it - but basically server (and desktop if GDM is disabled) is booting to vt7 instead of vt1
[08:04] <ZykoticK9> msf, bug 506297
[08:05] <msf> FWIW I had slightly different symptoms
[08:05] <msf> I don't see any ubuntu logo
[08:05] <ZykoticK9> msf, :) that's a different bug
[08:06] <msf> I only get a brief glimpse of the readahaed bar
[08:06] <msf> and then just the flashing underscore
[08:06] <ZykoticK9> msf, ya that's all i'm currently seeing with plymouth as well
[08:06] <msf> almost zero indication of boot up
[08:06] <ZykoticK9> msf, that's the idea
[08:06] <msf> this is on a sun blade using the funky consolre redirect tool sun has
[08:09] <msf> trying the plymouth-console.conf
[08:16] <DanaG> hmm, speaking of serial console:
[08:16] <DanaG> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22239
[08:16] <DanaG> also vaguely related: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=460565
[08:41] <infecto> crimsun: i have it on first place
[08:56] <BUGabundo_remote> morning
[09:33] <tamran> howdy
[09:33] <tamran> how is everyoen doing?
[09:38] <BUGabundo_remote> WITH TOO MUCH WORK
[09:38] <BUGabundo_remote> sorry about the caps :(
[10:09] <soc> hi
[10:09] <soc> i have the problem that gdm wants me to login twice, does someone have that problem too?
[10:14] <alex88> soc: try to remove plymouth
[10:14] <soc> ok
[10:14] <alex88> personalizing a kernel for install only the neede modules and drivers can speed up the boot process?
[10:31] <BUGabundo_remote> alex88: not too much. this kernel is already squeezes all it can
[10:31] <BUGabundo_remote> with all module pre-compiled in
[11:06] <soc> alex88: thanks, that solved it!
[11:06] <soc> other question: how can i change the position of my window buttons (like maximize, close, etc ...)?
[11:07] <soc> after some update they are now on the left side ...
[11:07] <soc> after trying it a few days, i decided that i need at least change the order of them
[11:09] <JEEBsv> Okies, is it normal to get flipped compiz output
[11:09] <JEEBsv> ?
[11:09] <JEEBsv> http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4880/bugslol.png
[11:24] <Ian_Corne> lol JEEBsv
[11:25] <JEEBsv> Yah, I just did sudo apitude safe-upgrade and got this :3
[11:27] <JEEBsv> *aptitude
[11:38] <jimlovell777> With all the new eye candy I decided to give avant another go and the settings page won't load, no output to terminal. Any ideas?
[11:41] <kslen> how is ubuntu 10.04 lts performance wise for you guys? switching between directories regardless of the file manager is uber uber slow.
[11:41] <kslen> feels like it's a dma issue, but it's not.
[11:42] <jimlovell777> kslen: It's nice and zippy for me. Directories load fast
[11:43] <jimlovell777> kslen: File transfers are as fast as they were on Karmic
[11:43] <kslen> jimerickson, k. recon i've made a real unlucky purchase when it comes to laptops. the lenovo s12 is hardly anything i'd call fast in any regard. :D
[11:43] <DJones> kslen: I've found that 10.04 is generally slower than 9.10, but my machine only has 512Mb of ram & can't be upgraded, I'm hoping that theres going to be more optimisation between now and final release that will speed things up
[11:44] <kslen> jimlovell777, transfer speeds are ok. it's just when it comes to general usage it can be really delayed
[11:45] <kslen> this isn't ment as trolling, but in slackware 13.0 i get the performance, but not the powermanagement options i need. in ubuntu, i get the powermanagement, but not the speed. i'm about to chuck this laptop out the window in frustration. :D
[11:45] <kslen> well, thanks fer letting me know that this is a local problem. guess i'll start writing bug reports. :>
[11:46] <jimlovell777> On my computer it seems the same as Karmic, better or worse is imperceivable  on my end.
[11:47] <kslen> is it a big leap from karmic to lucid?
[11:47] <kslen> they seem fairly similar to me, but then again, i'm no expert
[11:47] <jimlovell777> I have 1GB of RAM, 1.7GHz CPU integrated graphics with full compiz eye candy
[11:48] <kslen> 1 gig ram, 1,6ghz atom and compiz renders fine as long as the harddrive isn't working. and yes, i've quadruplechecked for dma and driver issues
[11:48] <ArmaganKoca> hi, i am using 10.04 alpha 3 -- i have "avertv volar lite" usb analog tv card which supports linux with v4l2 i downloaded the linux drivers from the website and installed them. after running tvtime the box freezes.
[11:48] <kslen> karmic had the exact same problems
[11:48] <jimlovell777> kslen: I'm sure a lot has been changes behind the scenes but all I've noticed is new graphics, better hardware support, a video editor, stuff like that.
[11:48] <ArmaganKoca> what can i do ?
[11:49] <kslen> ArmaganKoca, did you check the if the driver is already available from the lucid repositories
[11:51] <ArmaganKoca> what should i search in synaptic?
[11:52] <kslen> usualy the package is named similar to that which you downloaded from the official site
[11:53] <ArmaganKoca> http://www.avermedia.com/avertv/product/ProductDetail.aspx?Id=448&tab=APDriver   <---- this is the link of the driver if helps. x86 linux drivers are at the bottom. And it says 9.10 stock kernel is tested and supported.
[11:56] <ArmaganKoca> by the way visual remake of 10.04 is awsome :)
[11:58] <ArmaganKoca> kslen, ?
[12:09] <ppine> anyone getting a core dump when doing aptitude update?
[12:13] <emj> Hey how do I disable sshd from starting up? I have tried removing links from /etc/rc2.d/ and running update-rc.d -f ssh remove
[12:14] <jpds> emj: Moved /etc/init/ssh.conf aside?
[12:15] <emj> jpds don't know what it is. So no.. :-)
[12:16] <emj> So the supposed way of doing this is to edit /etc/init/ssh.conf to not start?
[12:16] <emj> is /etc/rc2.d/ completely deprecated
[12:16] <emj> ?
[12:17] <jpds> emj: Yes, by upstart.
[12:18] <emj> but why is it there then?
[12:18] <jpds> Because upstart has a new init?
[12:19] <emj> jpds ok sorry ba question why is /etc/rc2*.d still there when upstart isn't using it?
[12:20] <jpds> I assume for backward compatability with scripts that haven't been ported.
[12:21] <ppine> min-max-close buttons are on the right now? is this going to be final?
[12:21] <ppine> adiga, left side
[12:28] <vistakiller> anyone have kubuntu 10.04?
[13:01] <pmatulis> i'm trying to get a backtrace of aptitude but i'm told i don't have the debgging symbols installed
[13:06] <fabio333> i'm running ubuntu lucid...
[13:06] <red> anyone having problems with lucid and mysql?
[13:07] <red> i just noticed it isn't running
[13:07] <red> and when i try to sudo /etc/init.d.. it says i need to use the new command for it
[13:07] <red> using the new command, "sudo service mysql restart" it just hangs
[13:07] <fabio333> maybe start or restart
[13:07] <red> nothing happends
[13:07] <pmatulis> red: try 'restart mysql'
[13:07] <fabio333> sudo that
[13:07] <coz_> red,   restart x?
[13:08] <fabio333> KMS is broken on my ati igp 345 so no plymouth
[13:08] <red> < red> using the new command, "sudo service mysql restart" it just hangs
[13:08] <coz_> red,   ah ok
[13:08] <fabio333> 10.04 is very bad at ppp
[13:08] <red> it's the same than using restart mysql
[13:09] <red> guess ill attempt a reinstall
[13:09] <red> but I hope to god it won't reset my databases, that would seriously make me weap lol
[13:09] <coz_> anyone haveing issues with  64 bit recognizing any usb flash drives or any external after updates today?
[13:10] <fabio333> key dongle
[13:11] <red> no dice
[13:11] <red> still ain't working darn
[13:12] <fabio333> red: what the error reads
[13:13] <red> when attempting to start mysql with "service mysql start" it just doesn't do anything and i have to ctrl-c
[13:13] <red> when I type it again it says it's already running, tho ps -A | grep sql shows nothing
[13:13] <red> it also hangs upon trying to restart it or stop it
[13:13] <red> apache/php seems to be working as expected
[13:14] <lenios> maybe you have to remove the mysql lock file
[13:14] <lenios> and then restart
[13:14] <red> lock file?
[13:14] <red> any idea where that is located
[13:15] <fabio333> red: i prefer python for web developing but this is not the point...
[13:16] <red> i need sql since I'm a webdeveloper and currently working on a project that uses a lot of sql :)
[13:16] <red> this problem is a kick on the nuts heh
[13:17] <pmatulis> red: did you use restart/initctl like suggested?
[13:17] <fabio333> red: what about sqlite ?
[13:18] <red> initctl?
[13:18] <fabio333> red: does mysql start at boot time?
[13:18] <pmatulis> red: sigh, will you just do 'sudo restart mysql' ?
[13:18] <red> yes its automated
[13:18] <red> pmatulis: having trouble reading what I have already done?
[13:19] <red> I've stated two or three times it just hangs there until I ctrl-c
[13:19] <pmatulis> red: you typed in exactly what I wrote?
[13:19] <red> sudo restart mysql
[13:19] <red> [sudo] password for red:
[13:19] <red> and then nothing.
[13:19] <pmatulis> ok
[13:19] <red> I'm not retarded :p
[13:19] <pmatulis> red: try getting an strace of that then
[13:20] <red> #2002 - The server is not responding (or the local MySQL server's socket is not correctly configured)
[13:20] <red> that's about the only error I can find
[13:20] <lenios> red, do you have /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock ?
[13:20] <red> and I kept my old configuration from 9.10 while upgrading
[13:21] <red> I have /var/run/mysqld/, but theres nothing in the folder
[13:21] <red> including no hidden files
[13:21] <red> hmm
[13:21] <lenios> anything in /tmp that would look like a lock file?
[13:22] <red> there is .X0-lock
[13:22] <lenios> no
[13:23] <red> heres the whole list:
[13:23] <red> eclipse    .esd-110       hsperfdata_red  keyring-aOcqLI  orbit-red   pulse-5exfXTlzFQwd  sess_krc2cjavknpmg9pm6ogk04aed18besat  ssh-FjIclk3095  virtual-red.BYRDzx  .X0-lock
[13:23] <red> .esd-1000  .exchange-red  .ICE-unix       orbit-gdm       orbit-root  pulse-PKdhtXMmr18n  sess_rrsv5qm8u9dcbvncudujrfnhu2        swtlib-32       virtual-red.soCxus  .X11-unix
[13:23] <pmatulis> red: did you get the strace on it?
[13:23] <red> not yet, I'll try now
[13:24] <niladam> hello
[13:24] <red> mm, pmatulis what is the correct syntax?
[13:24] <niladam> after upgrading to lucid i get this when doing a /etc/init.d/gdm restart (or start)
[13:24] <niladam> Mar  8 15:23:18 burn gdm[4173]: WARNING: gdm_server_spawn: Xserver not found: /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7
[13:24] <pmatulis> red: 'sudo strace restart mysql 2>&1 | tee /tmp/strace-mysql_restart.txt'
[13:25] <niladam> also i get Mar  8 15:23:24 burn gdm[4167]: CRITICAL: gdm_config_value_get_bool: assertion `value->type == GDM_CONFIG_VALUE_BOOL' failed
[13:25] <madalin> anyone ?
[13:26] <red> pascalFR: http://paste2.org/p/706932
[13:26] <lenios> tab fail
[13:26] <red> oop
[13:26] <red> pmatulis*: http://paste2.org/p/706932
[13:27] <red> at line 174 I have to ctrl-c or it just stays tehre
[13:27] <red> there*
[13:28] <lenios> you might check your /etc/mysqld/my.cnf to get location of lock file, if you have time
[13:30] <red> lenios: http://paste2.org/p/706936
[13:30] <madalin> after lucid upgrade i get this http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/EkcZP7vU - can anyone help me ?
[13:30] <red> couldnt find anything about lock except one line
[13:32] <pmatulis> red: is this a fresh install or an upgrade?
[13:33] <red> upgrade from 9.10 with clicking "keep" on old mysql settings while upgrading
[13:33] <lenios> did you change anything to the settings?
[13:33] <red> i chose to keep them as they were
[13:33] <red> since it worked fine for weeks prior to upgrade
[13:34] <pmatulis> red: i guess by keeping your old settings it's now not compatible with upstart
[13:34] <red> guess
[13:34] <red> im going to try apt-get remove with --purge
[13:34] <red> that should remove the configurations too right?
[13:35] <red> or do I do that manually before reinstalling
[13:35] <pmatulis> red: i don't have time to go much deeper but you can compare to my fresh lucid + mysql-server install and it's resulting strace during a 'restart'
[13:35] <pmatulis> red: http://pastebin.com/SExtKRNp
[13:35] <red> thanks, i'll dig deeper
[13:38] <lenios> a reinstall should ask again which file to keep
[13:39] <red> i tried that but didn't work
[13:40] <red> using package manager instead with complete removal
[13:40] <red> dunno what the -modifier would be for that via apt-get
[13:40] <lenios> that would be --purge
[13:40] <lenios> or aptitude purge PKG
[13:41] <red> did that already for mysql-server but the configs stayed
[13:41] <red> now i took every packet that has mysql and server in it
[13:41] <red> was three only, and reinstalling them, i'll report back soon :p
[13:41] <lenios> a purge is not supposed to keep old config files, you know
[13:42] <lenios> purge is not an option but a command in apt-get, so that would be apt-get purge PKG
[13:42] <red> thats what I figured but guessing the package i purged wasn't responsible for the files
[13:43] <pmatulis> isn't it 'sudo apt-get remove --purge foo' ?
[13:43] <pmatulis> or just 'sudo aptitude purge foo'
[13:43] <lenios> apt-get -h doesn't say so
[13:45] <red> installing now: http://paste2.org/p/706945
[13:45] <red> and it's just hanging there, ps -A is showing 19504 pts/5    00:00:00 mysql-server-5. but no lock file in tmp or the folder you mentioned earlier
[13:46] <red> for 4 minutes now hrmph
[13:46] <vistakiller> do you have any plans to put aytana notification for kubuntu?
[13:47] <red> sigh
[13:47] <cousteau> what does "10 second booting" exactly mean? from grub to X+Gnome and processor stop?
[13:47] <red> now i managed to get it installed with ctrl-c and rerunning it, but it's the same problem all over again
[13:47] <red> ffs
[13:48] <lenios> cousteau, i guess that would mean from grub to usable desktop
[13:48] <cousteau> cause I got a bit disappointed after trying karmic UNR (about 1 minute)
[13:48] <lenios> they're far from goal
[13:49] <red> boot time is irrevelant, just switch the pc on and go for a glass of water :)
[13:49] <lenios> http://people.canonical.com/~scott/daily-bootcharts/ 16.94s today
[13:49] <BUGabundo_remote> red: don't be lame
[13:49] <pmatulis> red: long shot but maybe your package is borked somehow
[13:50] <red> any ideas what to try?
[13:50] <BUGabundo_remote> http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/
[13:50] <pmatulis> red: 'sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install mysql-server'
[13:50] <red> i accept any speculations :)
[13:50] <BUGabundo_remote> here are mine, up to yesterday
[13:50] <cousteau> and what about the Netbook version? it should boot faster, right?
[13:50] <pmatulis> red: well, remove it first
[13:50] <red> aye
[13:50] <red> will purge
[13:50] <BUGabundo_remote> lenios: ^^^^
[13:50] <cousteau> since you can disable a lot of things a netbook doesn't have
[13:50] <lenios> cousteau, not sure it should
[13:51] <cousteau> right now, I have moblin on it, had linpus before, both boot in 15 seconds from button to desktop
[13:51] <pmatulis> red: again, to confirm, mysql is installing/restarting fine for me (on a fresh lucid install)
[13:52] <lenios> use moblin then, but it's not the same experience
[13:52] <cousteau> and moblin installed in just 7 minutes. it's pretty amazing, but it has very few repos
[13:52] <cousteau> so you basically have to compile everything if you want to install something
[13:52] <red> moblin browser is bad
[13:52] <lenios> chromium is really good, btw
[13:52] <Ian_Corne> what should i install if I want moblin?
[13:53] <cousteau> red: well, it's compact... but yes, it could be better
[13:53] <red> chromium is good yeah
[13:53] <lenios> Ian_Corne, you should install moblin from a liveusb
[13:53] <cousteau> chromium reminds me of chrome, which also reminds me of google not releasing it for linux until a year after or so
[13:54] <cousteau> Ian_Corne: there was an "Ubuntu Moblin" project somewhere, I think you can install an alpha or something
[13:54] <lenios> maybe, but the actual linux version is great
[13:55] <cousteau> but I guess that's more the moblin look and feel than the system itself
[13:55] <red> cousteau: well they obviously lacked people porting it for linux in their standards
[13:55] <Ian_Corne> ah
[13:55] <red> going to reboot into x-term mode and see if i can bring up mysql there
[13:55] <red> ffs
[13:56] <vistakiller> why karmic has too many cpu xorg usage?
[13:56] <cousteau> hmm... why the pcs where lucid is being tested are called Sam and Max?
[13:56] <vistakiller> lucid sorry
[13:56] <cousteau> vistakiller: what apps do you have?
[13:56] <cousteau> running
[13:57] <cousteau> for example, 3D stuff and Flash eat much CPU through Xorg
[13:58] <vistakiller> i run compiz,
[13:58] <vistakiller> i have addblock to flash
[13:58] <vistakiller> but i see toou much cpu usage from xorg some times goes to 20-30%
[13:59] <vistakiller> and the system lags
[13:59] <vistakiller> i have the latest nvidia driver them with the bug :P
[14:00] <cousteau> suggestion for speeding up the netbook version: instead of using gnome, maybe a more lightweight DE that boots faster...
[14:01] <cousteau> since the Netbook version has a very customized interface, probably it should be ported to another DE. I don't know much about desktop environments, but I think it could be done
[14:02] <cousteau> I mean, right now almost 60% of boot time is the desktop env
[14:03] <niekie> Um... is it just me or does Empathy crash every time I press the space bar?
[14:03] <cousteau> what is "plumbing", btw? setting up all the system pipes?
[14:04] <Omar87> Hi all.
[14:04] <red> after a reboot, purged reinstall this is the current message:
[14:04] <red> sudo start mysql
[14:04] <red> start: Job failed to start
[14:05] <red> http://pastebin.com/E5bsB63y
[14:05] <Omar87> I have this really weird problem with the startup sound alert, it plays kinda gletchy for some reason.
[14:12] <red> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8934399
[14:14] <pmatulis> red: try just 'stop' and 'start' (do don't use restart)
[14:15] <red> start: Job failed to start
[14:15] <red> stop: Unknown instance:
[14:16] <pmatulis> red: strange that it doesn't happen here. it's some kind of bad-upgrade/upstart issue
[14:16] <red> yep
[14:16] <red> made a post on the forums with details if someone else has any ideas what's going on
[14:17] <red> if i can't get it to work I'll have to downgrade back to karmic tomorrow
[14:17] <red> for some reason the lucid lynx .iso doesn't want to boot up properly so i had to do a upgrade
[14:17] <red> just gets stuck on the usplash after the initial dvd menu
[14:17] <red> red dots travel for few minutes and then freeze
[14:18] <Damascene> hello, how to play rtsp stream in Lucid? i've vlc but can't do it and I've put the essential codec in /usr/lib/codecs but no luck
[14:18] <pmatulis> red: open a bug applied against upstart
[14:18] <pmatulis> related: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/430883
[14:38] <madalin> anyone still alive?
[14:39]  * charlie-tca thinks it takes too much effort today
[14:56] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:58] <genii> BluesKaj: Heys
[14:59] <BluesKaj> beautiful morning genii :)
[14:59] <genii> BluesKaj: Yup, supposed to be up around 11-12 degrees today... I'm in a t-shirt
[14:59] <BluesKaj> already +3 here, maybe L'll wash the vehicle
[15:00] <BluesKaj> yeah same +11 by this aft
[15:02] <BluesKaj> very little snow left here..we havent had any to speak of since jan 14
[15:03] <genii> BluesKaj: I just want summer to hurry up and get here! I'm *not* a winter person ...
[15:04] <BluesKaj> I used to be a winter sports type, but now i just wait for it to be over ;)
[15:16] <haru> is there anyone who knows if lucid support gcc 4.5? i know gcc 4.5 will be released on march 27
[15:20] <arand> haru: I'm guessing it will not, I mean it can always work if backported, but if it's unreleased yet it will likely never make it into the official 10.04
[15:20] <arand> !info gcc
[15:22] <blerk> anyone knows when we can pre-order 10.04 cd's ?
[15:23] <genii> blerk: Usually the day of official release the ShipIt page for that release becomes active
[15:23] <blerk> genii: ah cheers, i recall sometimes it's possible to pre-order it, i wouldnt even mind paying this time :p
[15:24] <arand> Isn't it usually possible to preorder earlier, if I remeber correctly..
[15:24] <arand> No idea about the dates on that though..
[15:26] <haru> arand: thank you for your answer i am using gcc 4.5 manually for supporting plugin and i will do so for a while more >.<
[15:26] <zniavre> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/187396/screenshot4.png > what can i di against this nvidia-settings bug please
[15:26] <zniavre> di>do*
[15:28] <arand> haru: However, I'm not sure what to make of this: https://edge.launchpad.net/~doko/+ppa-packages It seems at least the inclusion of it has ben _tested_
[15:28] <arand> !info gcc-4.5
[15:34] <haru> arand: thank you for good news i'd better wait with hopes
[15:35] <bwallum> What repo do I need for upgrade to Lucid alpha3 please?
[15:36] <arand> haru: possibly there might be plans to include an optional gcc-4.5 package, but I really have no idea, I guess Matthias Klose would have though..
[15:36] <arand> bwallum: *from* what version
[15:36] <BluesKaj> bwallum, just  , do-release-upgrade -d , in the terminal
[15:37] <BluesKaj> bwallum, actually,  sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[15:38] <BluesKaj> bbl
[15:38] <bwallum> I may be some time....thanks
[15:43] <boondoklife> is there a reason blueman doesnt make it as the default manager?
[15:44] <charlie-tca> default manager for ???
[15:44] <boondoklife> bluetooth, sorry thought that went without saying
[15:45] <charlie-tca> Isn't it still beta?
[15:46] <BUGabundo_remote> hey BluesKaj charlie-tca
[15:46] <BUGabundo_remote> !shedule
[15:46] <BUGabundo_remote> !schedule
[15:47] <boondoklife> charlie-tca: I dont think so but I could be wrong
[15:47] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo_remote
[15:47] <charlie-tca> !bluetooth
[15:47] <charlie-tca> !info bluetooth
[15:47] <BUGabundo_remote> is it me or does it feel strange to have *only* 3 alphas!?
[15:48] <charlie-tca> strange, BUGabundo_remote
[15:48] <charlie-tca> but as I recall, they renamed alpha4 to beta1 in hopes of getting more people to test run it
[15:48] <BUGabundo_remote> LOOOL
[15:48] <BUGabundo_remote> I bet
[15:48] <charlie-tca> and only for the LTS, too
[15:49] <BUGabundo_remote> okay
[15:49] <om26er> or alpha means new features and beta means more bug fixes and no new features?
[15:49] <BUGabundo_remote> lets get more ppl to flood LP
[15:49] <BUGabundo_remote> hope they don't all find this place
[15:49]  * charlie-tca has fingers crossed
[15:49] <blerk> !smartcard
[15:50]  * BUGabundo_remote goes for $ zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[15:54] <Alice_32>  hi does anyone know if is there any chance to get ati card work in lucid>? at the moment im using open source driver and the problem is that it use 50% of my cpu and the catalyst driver doesnt work at all any advice, help?
[15:55] <charlie-tca> Alice_32: AFAIK, no hardware ATI drivers are working in lucid
[15:56] <Alice_32> none alpha or beta or something?
[15:56] <Alice_32> any test drivers?
[15:57] <charlie-tca> Just the standard open-source, fglrx, I think
[15:57] <Pici> fglrx is not the open driver.
[15:58] <charlie-tca> oops
[15:58]  * charlie-tca keeps quiet, now
[15:58] <Pici> I'm using the open drivers on my x1400 and they seem to work fine.  I don't do anything thats graphically intensive though.
[16:00] <Alice_32> so what driver do u use Pici? the one already preinstalled in lucid?
[16:01] <Pici> Alice_32: yes. the 'ati' driver
[16:04] <diverse_izzue> Does anyone else have trouble with external monitors on radeon since kernel -15?
[16:06] <ejat> anyone having prob with NM keep connecting ?
[16:06] <om26er> ejat: me
[16:06] <om26er> ejat: after booting it takes much time to connect
[16:07] <ejat> wired n wireless ?
[16:07] <om26er> wireless
[16:07] <ejat> is there any bugs report?
[16:07] <ejat> hope it will be fixed a.s.ap
[16:07] <ejat> i need to manually request the dhcp .. poor me ..
[16:09] <om26er> ejat: open a bug report
[16:09] <ejat> title : NM wireless keep connecting .. ?
[16:49] <vish> BUGabundo_remote: around?  remember Bug #261175 ;)
[16:49] <BUGabundo_remote> yes
[16:49] <BUGabundo_remote> wow
[16:50] <BUGabundo_remote> that's still open ?
[16:50] <vish> oh the days bug numbers were less than 30000 ;)
[16:50] <vish> ah add another 0
[16:50] <BUGabundo_remote> its fixed isn't it ?
[16:52] <BUGabundo_remote> vish: I can't reproduce anymore
[16:52]  * vish checks
[16:53] <ASULutzy> So, I'm certain this has been asked at least 100 times in this channel already, but... The buttons. Is that going to be the default for 10.04? I know I can move them to the right with gconf-editor, but if I use the radiance theme then they are either a) out of order, or b) look awful since the wrong 2 are rounded
[16:56] <koltroll> Hi people. I'd like to see some screenshots of Lucid, is that possible?
[16:56] <vish> BUGabundo_remote: still there , if you select the "prefer versions from"
[16:57] <vish> BUGabundo_remote: but it is a problem when people add extra repos ..
[16:57]  * vish has google in there
[16:59] <C-S-B> anyone find that lucid lynx maximus doesnt strip the title bar
[17:00] <om26er> C-S-B: only with radiance
[17:00] <C-S-B> whats radiance?
[17:01] <om26er> C-S-B: theme
[17:02] <C-S-B> gotcha.
[17:02] <C-S-B> any reason?
[17:04] <vish> BUGabundo_remote: i think we can close that bug..
[17:05] <vish> or probably use stable-google as the append
[17:08] <BUGabundo_remote> ASULutzy: bug is reported
[17:08] <BUGabundo_remote> it also has the gconf key to restore old behaviour
[17:08] <ASULutzy> BUGabundo_remote: Ah, I wasn't sure if it was a bug or a "feature"
[17:08] <BUGabundo_remote> sorry don't have it in my backlog
[17:09] <BUGabundo_remote> ASULutzy: (bad ??) feature
[17:09] <BUGabundo_remote> vish: I have PLEANTY of extra repos
[17:09] <BUGabundo_remote> and don't see it
[17:09] <vish> BUGabundo_remote: hmm ,do you have google?
[17:09] <BUGabundo_remote> vish: $ pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list http://paste.ubuntu.com/391175/
[17:10] <BUGabundo_remote> $ grep goo /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable non-free main #google
[17:10] <vish> righto..
[17:10] <BUGabundo_remote> but if you still can see it, then let it open
[17:10] <BUGabundo_remote> its FixForMe
[17:11] <vish> BUGabundo_remote: meh , you can close it ;)  i dont use that option anyway
[17:11] <BUGabundo_remote> lol
[17:11] <vish> BUGabundo_remote: iirc , you mentioned that bug here and asked for confirmation..
[17:12] <BUGabundo_remote> closed
[17:12] <BUGabundo_remote> I did?
[17:12] <BUGabundo_remote> are you reading backlogs of 2009 ? :p0
[17:13] <[31d1]> anyone have any HAL -> udev skillz?
[17:15] <yellabs> hello there
[17:15] <yellabs> whats the name of the new ubuntu theme for lucid?
[17:15] <yellabs> gtk
[17:16] <yellabs> and where could i find a download of the theme?
[17:16] <om26er> yellabs: package name light-themes
[17:16] <om26er> yellabs: indivisually ambiance and radiance
[17:18] <yellabs> packages in repo?
[17:18] <om26er> yellabs: are you using karmic?
[17:19] <om26er> yellabs: this is the package but I dont know if it will work: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/light-themes_<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.gz
[17:19] <yellabs> ok cool
[17:24] <yellabs> ok
[17:24] <yellabs> does not work
[17:24] <yellabs> on older systems
[17:24] <yellabs> guess it needs an new engine too
[17:24] <yellabs> never mind
[17:25] <yellabs> i will upgrade the systems to 10.4 next month or so
[17:25] <yellabs> thanks for the info
[17:25] <yellabs> bye bye and take care!
[17:26] <yellabs> got to go, transcoding dvd' s takes all the computers power....
[17:26] <yellabs> bye bye
[17:26] <yellabs> :P
[17:30] <BUGabundo_remote> om26er: "primary" ?? what is that?
[17:30] <om26er> BUGabundo_remote: what?
[17:30] <BUGabundo_remote> the themes ul
[17:30] <BUGabundo_remote> *url
[17:31] <om26er> BUGabundo_remote: how would I know
[17:33] <nperry> Hmmmmm, tried installing Nouveau but all i get is safe mode :(
[17:34] <nperry> Damm attempting to remove nvidia propairty drivers
[17:41] <soee> anyone having problems with openshot 1.1.0 - cant run it?
[17:42] <red> Still unable to use MySQL server in Lucid Lynx (upgraded installation)
[17:42] <red> details here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1424819
[17:49] <BlueSTARS> How do I enable the Me Menu in Xubuntu 10.04 A3?
[17:53] <BlueSTARS> Is the Me Menu a GNOME panel applet? If so, what's its package name in apt?
[18:00] <artir_> indicator-me
[18:04] <BlueSTARS> artir, thanks
[18:27] <Lord-Readman> ok I have been using the max,min,close at the left in 10.04 for a day now, still doesnt feel good
[18:27] <Lord-Readman> as everyone else says http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/23899/
[18:28] <mortal_> sucks
[18:28] <ZykoticK9> Lord-Readman, do you know the way to move them back?
[18:28] <mortal_> but I use keyboard shortcuts
[18:29] <mortal_> should I file a bug report
[18:29] <mortal_> "buttons in the wrong corner"
[18:29] <Lord-Readman> I put :menu at the end
[18:29] <Lord-Readman> so I got the little dot back
[18:29] <Lord-Readman> at the right
[18:29] <Lord-Readman> that helps
[18:30] <Lord-Readman> wanted to have them at both sides but i dont think it works
[18:30] <ZykoticK9> Lord-Readman, i must say on the left side i prefer having the order close,maximixe,minimize -- but MUCH prefer them the old way on the right
[18:31] <Lord-Readman> I think most people will like them like Windows, for when the use Ubuntu at home, and Windows at work
[18:32] <Lord-Readman> which is 98% of the time
[18:32] <Lord-Readman> having it on the left makes it very cluttered
[18:32] <Lord-Readman> but I am going to leave it at the left for one more week
[18:32] <Lord-Readman> if not then I will actively campaign for the return to the right
[18:33] <Lord-Readman> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/23899/ vote right :-)
[18:33] <Alice_32> knock knock anyone here?
[18:33] <[31d1]> one of the only times i've voted right and wished to campaign for the right.
[18:34] <Alice_32> anyone cauld please tell me what that mean?
[18:34] <Alice_32> [   47.187142] ata5.00: cmd a0/00:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 tag 0
[18:34] <Alice_32> [   47.187143]          res 51/20:03:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/a0 Emask 0x1 (device error)
[18:34] <Alice_32> [   47.187146] ata5.00: status: { DRDY ERR }
[18:34] <Alice_32> [   47.638361] hda-intel: IRQ timing workaround is activated for card #1.  What would you say?
[19:00] <ZykoticK9> conb123, the answer is no (unless you want to help out and report bugs)
[19:01] <conb123> haha you were waiting for me that was quite weird
[19:01] <ZykoticK9> conb123, say the question in #ubuntu - had typed it out there, until erUSL directed you here
[19:01] <ZykoticK9> s/say/saw
[19:01] <conb123> Ok thanks I will stick to karmic for now then
[19:12] <nperry> Guys, anyone able to help out with a bit of nouveau
[19:12] <nperry> Can't seem to understand what i'm doing wrong
[19:12] <nperry> Just keeps reverting back to vesa
[19:13] <nperry> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8935470&postcount=70
[19:14] <red> I did a fresh install of Lucid Lynx
[19:14] <red> and there is no Ambience theme
[19:14] <red> it comes via apt-get update & upgrade?
[19:15] <nperry> Maybe becuase your iso wasn't the latest :)
[19:15] <red> it was the one on the Alpha 3 site
[19:15] <ZykoticK9> red, did you use an Alpha 3 disc or Daily disc?
[19:15] <nperry> Or it just hasn't been put into yet
[19:15] <red> should I have used a daily instead?
[19:15] <nperry> That'll be why
[19:15] <ZykoticK9> red, no - just update and you'll get them
[19:15] <nperry> Alpha 3 missed the UI freeze
[19:15] <red> alright
[19:15] <red> found out a funny bug in the install disc too
[19:16] <nperry> Launchpad is your friend :)
[19:16] <red> if my 24" screen was plugged into VGA port it would just show a corrupted image after clicking install in the first menu
[19:16] <red> switched to DVI and tada
[19:16] <red> ill go check launchpad for it later, need to update stuff first :)
[19:18] <kslen> hey. i'm having trouble getting rid of my desktop icons. currently they are the contents of /home/user, though the settings in gconf-editor indicates that they should be regular desktop icons. anyone seen a bug report on this?
[19:24] <red> kslen: you wish to have your destop clean without any icons?
[19:25] <red> you could go to gconf-editor -> nautilus -> prefernces and untick enable desktop (or is it show desktop, can't recall)
[19:29] <blueyed> Is there a known bug about the screen blanking (and going off) even before the system asks for cryptsetup pwd during boot?
[19:29] <blueyed> is this related to me purging nvidia-* packages yesterday?
[19:32] <MTecknology> Has anyone complained about sounds not working recently? Was working perfect yesterday morning but not anymore
[19:35] <MTecknology> cat /dev/urandom | aplay; alsamixer w/ everything up - silent
[19:43] <pgoetz> I just installed Lucid alpha 3 on an Acer Aspire 3000 laptop (video chip = SIS M760GX).  Video is completely hosed -- not only X, but also the console.  Is this a known problem?
[19:51] <blueyed> pgoetz: hosed? no video at all after early during boot?
[19:54] <Bittarman> blueyed, you know if there is a good written down how-to for sorting the nvidia packages?
[19:54] <Bittarman> my laptops refusing to boot complaining about an api mismatch between the kernel module and the the xorg driver
[19:54] <Bittarman> I'm guessing I didn't remove enough before re-installing the nvidia packages
[19:55] <blueyed> Bittarman: no, sorry. Have you installed/upgraded them via Ubuntu, i.e. nvidia-current?
[19:55] <Bittarman> upgraded
[19:55] <Bittarman> oh.. sry no
[19:55] <blueyed> I'll try a reboot now myself. brb hopefully
[19:59] <pgoetz> re: SIS M760GX:  let me partially retract that.  After powering down, X works, but the console is still hosed.
[20:00] <red> What should I do to get fully updated into last version of the alpha?
[20:00] <red> I've done sudo apt-get update -> upgrade
[20:00] <red> but for example the Ambience theme is not in my appearance -> themes menu
[20:00] <cwillu> red, use aptitude instead of apt-get generally
[20:00] <Bittarman> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:01] <cwillu> ...
[20:01] <cwillu> _don't_ use apt-get :p
[20:01] <red> :o
[20:01] <red> care to explain the main difference and why not?
[20:01] <cwillu> aptitude does better dependency handling than apt-get, including the installation of recommended packages
[20:01] <Bittarman> cwillu any particular reason?
[20:01] <red> aptitude found 78MB of updates
[20:01] <red> lets see how it affects :)
[20:02] <cwillu> I believe aptitude is the official front-end for dpkg now, re: command line
[20:02] <red> alright
[20:02] <red> didn't say anywhere to start using that instead
[20:02] <red> ty for the tip
[20:02] <cwillu> red, it's been that way for a few years now, but there's still lots of apt-get around in tutorials and such
[20:03] <cwillu> it generally won't outright break stuff, it's just not as good as aptitude
[20:03]  * yofel makes a completely unrelated advertisement for the curses interface of aptitude while we're at it...
[20:03] <cwillu> and aptitude has a pretty curses-based interface if you just run it :)
[20:03] <cwillu> damnit, yofel beat me to it :)
[20:03] <red> yofel: that is?
[20:03] <cwillu> red, run "aptitude" with no params
[20:03] <xfact> I am a home user (without any spacial skills) and I am on 10.04, is there any ways by that I can help developing this new version?
[20:04] <yofel> now cwillu beat me to it :D
[20:04] <MTecknology> I only use aptitude anymore because of that sexxy interface
[20:04] <red> :D
[20:04] <cwillu> xfact, reporting bugs that you find
[20:04] <red> ill check what it does after the upgrade is done
[20:04] <cwillu> xfact, get a launchpad.net account, and religiously use "ubuntu-bug <package-name>" to file bugs as you find them
[20:04] <xfact> cwillu, via Apport?
[20:04] <cwillu> xfact, apport or ubuntu-bug
[20:04] <lubosz> my sound preferences don't work, i get "Waiting for sound system to respond". is that a known issue?
[20:05] <cwillu> apport won't help you if the bug isnt' a crash of some sort really
[20:05] <xfact> Ok
[20:06] <xfact> But all over I do not think alpha 3 version is so unstable, I just did surfing and listened to some music, it's seeming like improved version of Karmic Koala
[20:07] <cwillu> xfact, see, here's the problem :)
[20:08] <cwillu> generally, the prerelease stuff works _great_, and there's always new toys coming out.  That's not what we're talking about when we say it's unstable.
[20:08] <cwillu> unstable in this context means that you update one day, and then you can't get your computer to boot at all, and the official fix is to blow everything away, reinstall, and restore from your most recent backup
[20:09] <xfact> I do love adventure, so here for encountering some new thrills!
[20:09] <cwillu> because somebody botched a kernel build, or an upstart job, or a dbus permission, or a gconf schema update, or a video driver, or any of the other 800 packages that your computer depends on to work properly
[20:10] <cwillu> i.e., don't even consider using an alpha on a machine you can't live without, unless you have good daily backups of everything you can't afford to lose or have inaccessible (I use an external drive with a nightly cron job), and a known good livecd that will boot your machine and have everything working well enough that you can get by until stuff is fixed
[20:11] <xfact> The problem I think I have 2.1GHz CPU and all the time it taking 100% of it, so before it blows up, I should go back to Koala's home
[20:11] <cwillu> well, you should file a bug on that :p
[20:12] <xfact> yup
[20:12] <cwillu> try to figure out which process is actually using the cpu (top in a terminal should give you a good hint)
[20:12] <coz_> hey guys..tried both 32 and 64 bit system on one machine...both work well ..but ater updating...no external media/drive is recognized!  any quick solutions or just wait for more updates ? :)
[20:12] <xfact> Do you think Beta is least requirement for home users?
[20:13] <coz_> xfact,  least requirement?
[20:13] <aliendude3500> PLEASE, PLEASE change your mind about moving the buttons to the left side of the title bar -- Ubuntu is not a Mac, and will never be a Mac. In fact, the buttons are much more functional on the right, as they are more familiar to the majority of the population that switches from Windows, the current largest platform, and they are further away from the menus, so it's less likely you will accidentally click, for example
[20:13] <aliendude3500> , the close button if you meant to click View in Xchat. This change really does feel like a step in the wrong direction, however, I do like the new logo, and I don't mind the new themes except for the title bar button positioning.
[20:13] <cwillu> aliendude3500, you can, um, change the preference with a click :p
[20:13] <guntbert> xfact: no - "release" is the requirement for a working system
[20:13] <xfact> oops! i mean minimum stable requirement
[20:14] <coz_> aliendude3500,  that can be changed
[20:14] <aliendude3500> cwillu, A click? How?
[20:14] <cwillu> aliendude3500, appearances, pick a different theme
[20:14] <Bittarman> lol
[20:14] <coz_> aliendude3500,  open gconf-editor / maneaver to /apps/matacity/general
[20:14] <aliendude3500> cwillu, I tried them ALL. they all have the buttons positioned to the left.
[20:14] <cwillu> oh, really?
[20:14] <aliendude3500> It's not exactly easy to change.
[20:14]  * cwillu hasn't seen that on his laptop yet
[20:14] <aliendude3500> It's like hard coded into Metacity configuration
[20:14] <coz_> cwillu, yes all themes have buttons on lef
[20:15] <xfact> well, gotta move back to Koala see you there, Bye
[20:15] <coz_> aliendude3500,  it is not hard coded
[20:15] <coz_> aliendude3500,  you can change
[20:15] <coz_> that
[20:15] <cwillu> well, file a bug
[20:15] <coz_> aliendude3500,  open gconf-editor
[20:15] <cwillu> nobody here has any say :)
[20:15] <coz_> aliendude3500,  go to  /apps/metacity/general
[20:15] <cwillu> the mailing list is probably a better place for the discussion
[20:15] <coz_> al look for  "button_layout"
[20:15] <Filthpig> guys, I cannot find my mail in Evolution in lucid! I set up my account, it downloaded all my mail, but my inbox remains empty
[20:15] <coz_> aliendude3500,  make it look like this   :maximize,minimize,close
[20:16]  * MTecknology wants to know what happened to sound on this system..
[20:16] <blueyed> ugh.. removing nvidia-current causes black screen (monitor off) during boot for me (nvidia 6600 GT). By design?!
[20:16] <aliendude3500> There is NO REASON for it to be default to the left though... :( I guarantee you that over 75% of Ubuntu users are probably annoyed at these changes.
[20:16] <coz_> aliendude3500,  the only problem is that the buttons will not be smooth on all windows...that is most likely the murrine engine
[20:16] <coz_> aliendude3500,  on karmic it doesn not default to the left on lucid it does
[20:17] <aliendude3500> coz_, and when everyone updates to Lucid, they have it changed without their permission.
[20:17] <coz_> aliendude3500,  most likely a murrine but or metacity bug
[20:17] <jpds> aliendude3500: Really?
[20:17] <coz_> aliendude3500,  yep it will be changed without permission to change it
[20:17] <aliendude3500> jpds, It changed for me without any confirmation whatsoever.
[20:17] <coz_> aliendude3500,  that is a bug in either metacity or the new murrine
[20:17] <cwillu> blueyed, I'm not dead sure, but I think the alternatives system is the official way of switching between the nvidia driver and nouveaux now
[20:17] <lubosz> i have problems with my graphics driver. jockey does not find anything anymore. when i use the binary driver from nvidia.com i cannot wake up from standby correctly.
[20:17] <cwillu> I think that work is still a little up in the air though
[20:18] <coz_> lubosz,  how did you install the driver from nvidia?
[20:18] <lubosz> when i use it without the prop. driver (i suppose it is nouveau), the fan is very loud after waking up
[20:18] <blueyed> cwillu: and if I wanted to use nv?
[20:18] <coz_> lubosz,  you have to uninstall   "plymouth"
[20:18] <lubosz> coz_: sudo sh Software/Linux/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-195.30-pkg2.run
[20:18] <coz_> lubosz,  sudo apt-get remove purge plymouth
[20:18] <aliendude3500> Whats the reason for changing the position of the buttons? Are we trying to steal from Mac's market share, which is really an incredibly niche market of users that is probably unlikely to even consider Ubuntu?
[20:18] <coz_> lubosz,  you ran that in a terminal?
[20:18] <lubosz> coz_: yes. what is plymouth?
[20:19] <lubosz> i currently deinstalled it. i'm on no binary driver
[20:19] <coz_> lubosz,  plymouth is a silly boot animated splash
[20:19] <coz_> lubosz,  but it wont work with nvidia
[20:19] <lubosz> the pink one? i hate it
[20:19] <coz_> at least last time it wouldnt  and I assume that has not been fixed
[20:19] <lubosz> can i change the plymouth theme?
[20:19] <coz_> lubosz,  yes you can change the theme but it it is not working then what's the point?
[20:20] <aliendude3500> Just out of curiosity, who here is happy about the button layout change (assuming you already had it applied)? Anyone?
[20:20] <MTecknology> coz_: are you sure? why does mountall depend on plymouth?
[20:20] <guntbert> !poll | aliendude3500
[20:20] <coz_> MTecknology,  all I know at this point is that with ati plymouth is working here but not on the nvidia system
[20:20] <cwillu> aliendude3500, you'll find that you have more success influencing the direction ubuntu takes by posting on the mailing list rather than here, and by addressing the technical reasons given for the switch (which will have been discussed on the mailing list) rather than trying to divine the reasons for the switch from first principles ("this is more mac-like, therefore it must be to steal mac users")
[20:20] <lubosz> it works without the binary driver, but you are right. i get this blue/ white progress bar, like in fedora with the prop. driver.
[20:20] <coz_> lubosz,  right
[20:20] <coz_> lubosz,  so if you have nvidia open synaptic packag
[20:21] <coz_> manager
[20:21] <lubosz> coz_: i prefer aptitude
[20:21] <lubosz> but go on
[20:21] <coz_> lubosz,   hit "Search"  type in plymouth  and just remove the plymouth package   right click remove completely ...the other related plymoht libraries do not have to be removed
[20:21] <aliendude3500> sigh... if you do decide to change the window button alignment, just make it easy for users with no technical knowledge to change it back to how it is now in Karmic... add an option or something. :/
[20:21] <lubosz> k, purge
[20:21] <lubosz> i see if that fixes my standby issue
[20:22] <cwillu> blueyed, still looking, sec
[20:22] <ppine> is it possible to get the max/close buttons to the right corner again? it really sucks on the left side. and the order max-min-close as well
[20:22] <coz_> aliendude3500, its fine in karmic but you have to install the new murrine gtk2 engine in karmic and then the new themes
[20:22] <lubosz> is there no driver in the jockey repository, or is this a problem on my side?
[20:22] <cwillu> aliendude3500, what part of "look at the mailing list" don't you understand? :)
[20:22] <coz_> ppine,   open gconf-editor  go to  /apps/metacity / general
[20:23] <aliendude3500> cwillu, I don't even know where to find the mailing list, post a link?
[20:23] <cwillu> aliendude3500, complaining on here does no good whatsoever unless the people involved happen to be paying attention to this channel at the moment you mention it
[20:23] <coz_> ppine,  look for  "button_layout"  make it look like this     :maximize,minimize,close
[20:23] <cwillu> aliendude3500, google for "ubuntu mailing list"
[20:24] <aliendude3500> coz_, the code you posted only half worked... the minimize and maximize are still switched...
[20:24] <cwillu> aliendude3500, ubuntu-devel-discuss is probably the one you want to look at
[20:24] <ppine> coz_: it already looks like that.
[20:24] <aliendude3500> It used to be minimize, maximize, close...
[20:24] <guntbert> aliendude3500: then switch them
[20:24] <coz_> ppine,  no I bet it looks like  minimiz.maximize,close:
[20:24] <aliendude3500> This worked for me ppine : ":minimize,maximize,close"
[20:24] <coz_> ppine,   the colon must be at the beginning and minimize first or it will not look correct
[20:25] <ppine> plus i want the buttons on the right corner not left, what is this new mac rip-off also the new login theme brrr real ripoff. what the hell where they thinking :S ?
[20:25] <coz_> ppine,  use that    /apps/metacity/general/button_layout
[20:25] <aliendude3500> ppine, I was JUST complaining about the same thing... they're just going to tell you to check the mailing lists :/
[20:25] <coz_> ppine,  it will automatically go to the right
[20:26] <ppine> coz_: Horay it works thanks
[20:26] <coz_> there you go
[20:26] <aliendude3500> coz_ they didn't just switch the side, the also switched the order of minimize and maximize, you need to change that back as well...
[20:26] <ppine> i hope they will change it before the final release, its really a stupid idea.
[20:26] <aliendude3500> Should look like this (same as karmic) :minimize,maximize,close
[20:26] <coz_> aliendude3500,  well as I said this is a "bug" in either metacity or the gtk2 murrine engine
[20:27] <aliendude3500> What's a bug? The sides being switched? I thought that was intentional...
[20:27] <ppine> is there also a way to change the gdm theme?
[20:27] <coz_> aliendude3500,  right ./..you can change it to that but the minimize button will have an ugly square edge to it if using a theme like  Radiance
[20:28] <lubosz> WTF aptitude crashed with memory corruption in glibc while doing an update T_T
[20:28] <aliendude3500> ppine, I think Jaunty was the last one you could manually change the GDM theme...
[20:28] <coz_> ppine,  you can also change gdm hold on
[20:28] <blueyed> cwillu: bug 534634 - please add any info you may find there. Thanks.
[20:28] <aliendude3500> Used to be easy to change gdm (System > Admin > Login Screen)
[20:28] <aliendude3500> They took that out for no reason at all...
[20:28] <coz_> ppine,  if you want to change the gdm theme  you will need to run this command     gksudo -u gdm dbus-launch gnome-appearance-properties
[20:29] <aliendude3500> to simplify things...
[20:29] <coz_> ppine,  then pick a theme as if you were picking  system theme
[20:29] <coz_> ppine,  let me know if you try that bcause it brings up double accessibility icons in the task bar one of which  you remove  and the other that removes on reboot
[20:30] <coz_> ppine,  when you are done open  System/preferences/keyboard
[20:30] <lubosz> which nvidia driver should i use? jockey does not find anything.
[20:30] <shortlord> how can I install fglrx in Lucid?
[20:30] <ppine> coz_: yup i got the 2 icons without selecting anything. but i do not see where to change the gdm theme
[20:30] <coz_> ppine,  go to the Accessibility tab and untick the "Addessibility features can be toggled with keyboard shortcuts"
[20:30] <shortlord> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx leads to a broken package
[20:30] <coz_> ppine,  then reboot...not restart x
[20:31] <coz_> ppine,   when the theme window opens  just choose a system theme
[20:31] <bjsnider> lubosz, which graphics card?
[20:31] <coz_> ppine,  that will change the gdm theme only
[20:31] <lubosz> gtx 275 bjsnider
[20:31] <kernco> Any Qt program I try to run just crashes immediately with "Segmentation fault (core dumped)".  Anyone else having this problem?
[20:31] <bjsnider> lubosz, nvidia-current
[20:31] <ppine> coz_: thanks
[20:31] <lubosz> bjsnider: i try that, thx
[20:31] <coz_> ppine,  the appearance window opens...hit "Customize" button choose theme
[20:31] <coz_> ppine,  it will only change the gdm theme and only after a reboot
[20:32] <lubosz> nvidia current is the fan speed problem driver :) 195.36.08
[20:32] <aliendude3500> hey... this isn
[20:32] <aliendude3500> t a rant or anything, but I ahve a 1px vertical line on both sides of my screen, how do I remove that?
[20:32] <coz_> aliendude3500,  you tried installing the nvidia driver right?
[20:33] <coz_> aliendude3500,  did you make sure you have build-essential installed?
[20:33] <aliendude3500> coz_, no, I use ATI open source.
[20:33] <coz_> aliendude3500,  oh ok sorry
[20:33] <coz_> lubosz,  you tried installing the nvidia drive
[20:33] <coz_> correct?
[20:33] <coz_> lubosz,  make sure    build-essential is installed first
[20:33] <aliendude3500> There are 1px wide lines on the left and right of my screen... any idea how to remove those? They weren't there before... :/
[20:33] <lubosz> yes. i but i had a sleep issue with 195.30
[20:34] <coz_> aliendude3500,  same here
[20:34] <lubosz> coz_: i have the build stuff
[20:34] <coz_> lubosz,  ok
[20:34] <lubosz> coz_: the setup worked
[20:34] <lubosz> but i had the sleep problem. i try the one from the repo. the fan brick driver nvidia pulled back
[20:34] <coz_> aliendude3500,  open a terminal   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:34] <lubosz> brb reboot
[20:34] <coz_> aliendude3500,  i think they went away with the curretn dist-upgrade let me look on other system
[20:35] <coz_> aliendude3500,  yeah those lines are gone
[20:35] <ppine> coz_: u might also have a solution for the problem in the indicator applet, when i use the balance in sound prefs instead of doing left/right it turns down the volume
[20:35] <aliendude3500> coz_, it's somewhat annoyinh, but not that noticeable on a 1400x900 resolution, I can deal with that more than the window button location...
[20:36] <coz_> ppine,  mm  that one I dont have a solution for
[20:36] <coz_> aliendude3500,  still the   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade should be run at least once
[20:37] <aliendude3500> omg... 214MB of updates? I just did a full update yesterday... must be a lot of rapid changes since the new themes?
[20:37] <coz_> aliendude3500,  well an update and  dist-upgrade are going to pull down different things
[20:38] <shortlord> does anyone know how to install fglrx in Lucid?