[05:45] <linux_galore> wonder if IBM still sell a cheap generic anymore
[05:46] <bob2> r-series is pretty cheap
[05:46] <legba> ibm's are great for linux
[05:46] <[Mirak] > linux_galore, wanna sell any?
[05:46] <linux_galore> bob2: thanks
[05:46] <linux_galore> mirak: Im in sydney
[05:46] <[Mirak] > linux_galore, nvm
[05:47] <[Mirak] > linux_galore, shipping would kill me....theyd want an arm or something
[05:47] <linux_galore> thinking of giving the laptops away
[05:47] <bob2> linux_galore: www.computerbank.org.au
[05:47] <legba> t42's are good too :)
[05:47] <[Mirak] > linux_galore, for free!!, maybe i will pay for shipping
[05:47] <linux_galore> bob2: yeah I know computer bank
[05:48] <linux_galore> mirak: only crappy P1's 32-48mb ram
[05:48] <mercurus> the second lowest T42 ... 2378JZM ... but it'll do what I need, and is nice and solid.
[05:49] <linux_galore> hmm
[05:49] <linux_galore> looking up the IBM r series
[05:50] <jgeorgeson> any here familiar with the synaptics touchpad driver?
[05:50] <ys> does anyone use warty for ppc?
[05:50] <legba> r31s are nice linux_g
[05:51] <legba> can get them cheap used
[05:52] <bob2> ys: just ask on the list
[05:54] <ions> nomasteryoda - how do I add gnump3d to startup files?
[05:55] <corbob> is it possible to get the forward and back buttons on an internet mouse to work in ubuntu?
[05:55] <ions> intellimouse?
[05:55] <bob2> yes
[05:55] <bob2> install the firefox extension
[05:55] <corbob> wireless intellimouse explorer...
[05:55] <jgeorgeson> awesome!!!
[05:56] <corbob> from synaptic?
[05:56] <bob2> nope
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> ions: O_O
[05:57] <ions> heh
[05:57] <ions> same as any other distro?
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> should work
[05:57] <ions> k nm, stupid question then
[05:57] <ions> sorry
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> i only do mine when i feel like it
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> ions
[05:58] <corbob> i suppose on the 9th it might be a good idea to upgrade everything, as firefox 1.0 will be out...
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> ions: i made another user for that
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> to keep my box a little safer
[05:58] <bob2> no
[05:58] <bob2> warty will never have firefox 1.0
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> ions: i ssh into the box and start it as the user by using screen
[05:58] <jgeorgeson> bob2: any idea what the extension is called/
[05:58] <bob2> hoary already has pr1
[05:58] <corbob> why?
[05:58] <ions> ahh
[05:59] <ions> interesting
[05:59] <legba> warty will stay the same...
[05:59] <bob2> warty will never be updated
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> ions, screen is cool
[05:59] <bob2> it's released now, it only gets security and critical bug fixes
[05:59] <ions> yeah screen rocks
[05:59] <corbob> i thought i read somewhere about 18 months of updates...
[05:59] <corbob> oh ok
[05:59] <bob2> 18 months of security updates
[05:59] <corbob> how will upgrading from one version of ubuntu to the next go?
[05:59] <ions> hopefully well
[06:00] <ions> xorg will probably require the most attention
[06:00] <ions> but that's easy
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:00] <bob2> jgeorgeson: http://easygestures.mozdev.org/
[06:00] <bob2> xorg packaging is not easy
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> http://www.gnu.org/software/gnump3d/FAQ.html#faq-securing
[06:01] <ions> ohhh ty
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> i restricted mine
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> to my work ip and my lappy
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> can open when needed
[06:01] <Lowry> Any ppc users have scanner zoom problems?
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> by having an extra conf file
[06:01] <corbob> what's gnump3d if you don't mind me asking...
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> mp3 streamer
[06:02] <corbob> ah i see
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> to stream your collection when you need it
[06:02] <ions> really nice Web based streamer
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> via browser
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> fast
[06:02] <corbob> ah that makes sence, gnu mp3 (d)aemon
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> low resources
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> =)
[06:02] <ions> indeed
[06:02] <ions> does oggs too
[06:02] <legba> apache seems to do that laready ;)
[06:02] <legba> *already
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:02] <ions> true, but gnump is prettier
[06:02] <legba> what does it add?
[06:03] <ions> playlists
[06:03] <legba> ooh
[06:03] <legba> there's a reason right there
[06:03] <legba> i've been doing rendezvous locally
[06:03] <jgeorgeson> linux only?
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> it's very cool indeed
[06:03] <ions> if you have your stuff well organized it's great
[06:03] <legba> or LAMP
[06:03] <legba> i do have it well organized
[06:03] <bob2> hm, I should finish my musicd
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> or you can go random
[06:03] <legba> on-the-fly playlists are where it's at
[06:04] <linux_galore> ouch IBM prices are not cheap
[06:04] <linux_galore> on laptops
[06:04] <legba> hate to say it but wmp10 has the feature
[06:04] <jgeorgeson> linux_galore: compared to whom?
[06:04] <bob2> so does every modern player
[06:04] <legba> yeah?
[06:04] <legba> name another one bob2
[06:04] <ys> bob2: i still can't get it working
[06:04] <jgeorgeson> bob2: they're talking about streamers, not players
[06:05] <corbob> legba, define on the fly playlist...
[06:05] <bob2> legba: which feature?
[06:05] <linux_galore> jgeorgeson: acer and most tw brands.........you can get cheap models buts the cpu's are slow and the features are not there
[06:05] <bob2> jgeorgeson: oh
[06:05] <legba> namely music i have yet to hear ;)
[06:05] <corbob> legba, rythm box can generate playlists based on whatever criteria you give it...
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> hey, gnump3d does mpg videos too
[06:05] <legba> hmm too bad it looks like garbage still.
[06:06] <jgeorgeson> linux_galore: i haven't looked at acer, but i worked at a place doing tech support for TI when acer bought the laptop division from them. i wouldn't compare acer to ibm
[06:06] <legba> ti still make acers?
[06:06] <jgeorgeson> i'd compare acer to emachines
[06:06] <legba> i mean
[06:06] <legba> well acwer has used hon hai for some designs so you are wrong jgeorgeson
[06:07] <linux_galore> actually ACER make a really cheap 17" laptop
[06:07] <corbob> emachines == crap!!!
[06:07] <Lowry> try ppc ubuntu on a power/ibook
[06:07] <jgeorgeson> i did say 'i haven't looked at acer"
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> http://forevergeek.com/articles/access_a_home_based_digital_music_collection_from_anywhere.php
[06:07] <Lowry> dual boot with os x
[06:07] <linux_galore> the acer stuff i saw on show yesterday looked really well made and looked very nice
[06:07] <legba> yeah they switched ODM's
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> ions: it's been months since i last used mine
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> i don't even remember the password
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:08] <ions> lol
[06:08] <linux_galore> I thought the price on the laptops would be expensive but when the rep said AUD$1300 for the standard model my jaw dropped
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> i go to my den with the laptop
[06:08] <legba> 290E
[06:08] <legba> :P
[06:09] <nomasteryoda> ... and listen using gnump3d
[06:09] <legba> linux_g that model isn't recommended for linux
[06:09] <linux_galore> legba: I'll write all the models down but the 17" one looked nice
[06:10] <legba> prolly 3000 series
[06:10] <linux_galore> legba: AUD$2350 for a 17" laptop with a huge 120Gb hardisk and a nice ATI card hit the spot
[06:10] <legba> i'd go geforce go if i were you
[06:11] <linux_galore> legba: yeah I use nvidia on all the desktops
[06:11] <legba> just easier
[06:12] <linux_galore> that will be the killer with most laptops is have they got an nvidia card....del have a cheap model AUD$1899 with a fx5200 mobile card 14.1" screen
[06:13] <jgeorgeson> be careful with dell. with ship busted DSDTs (acpi issues) and unless their bios implementation of the intel integrated graphics chips is busted
[06:14] <legba> he's right.
[06:14] <jgeorgeson> and if you have any problem, even if it's bad hardware, they won't listen to you if you're not troubleshooting with windows
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> jgeorgeson: i got a new dell laptop
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> and Ubuntu would not install
[06:14] <jgeorgeson> what model?
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> and suse was almost as bad
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> 505
[06:14] <jgeorgeson> latitude?
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> ye
[06:14] <LinuxJones> night all
[06:14] <jgeorgeson> does it have the intel i8x0 chipset
[06:15] <jgeorgeson> ?
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> might just
[06:15] <bob2> the DSDT suckage can be worked around
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> not sure
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> heck, it wouldn't even boot from the CD
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> but at least it did in suse
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> but screen was black and blue
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> i mean 2 colors
[06:15] <jgeorgeson> bob2: yeah, i'm still trying to get into figuring that out, i did recompile the dsdt, haven't rolled it into the kernel though
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> but Ubuntu has been good elsewhere
[06:16] <jgeorgeson> nomasteryoda: i had to backroll my bios using the floppy installer to get it to work with even the vesa driver
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:16] <jgeorgeson> the floppy bios installer, that is
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> right
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> i might have to do that too
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> is a work laptop
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> i always put linux on them
[06:17] <Gmail> ok need help quicj i got someone on the phone tring to type in hebrew in OOo but he can't he already did computer>...>keyboard>layout>isreali...>and swap to it, and he also went into OOo tools > options > lang. settings > hebrew
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> even if the fools will only use Windows
[06:17] <jgeorgeson> did you try booting with acpi=off or noapic?
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> makes my life easier to fix them
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> will do that monday
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> but on the upside
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> suse saw and installe the bluetooth adapter
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> was amazing
[06:18] <jgeorgeson> suse 9.2?
[06:18] <legba> 9.2?
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:18] <legba> or 9.1?
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> 9.2
[06:18] <legba> 9.2 IS amazing
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> but the bootables suck
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> require 256mb system ram
[06:18] <jgeorgeson> i tried the livecd to check out the acpi stuff, same result as ubuntu
[06:18] <legba> though 8.2 was best yet
[06:18] <jgeorgeson> inspiron 2600
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> legba: thought?
[06:19] <legba> ?
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> i have 6 distros +xpee on my Inspiron 7500
[06:19] <GnuHippy> what is the kernel module for the VIA KT800 Pro chipset?
[06:19] <jgeorgeson> that's crazy, how big's your disc?
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> legba: was wondering if you meant thought or though
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> 60gb
[06:19] <legba> though sorry
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:20] <Gmail> ??
[06:20] <bob2> 6? why?
[06:20] <encryptio> nomasteryoda, do you just have one swap partition?
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> to show off to lug memebers
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:20] <Gmail> can someone quickly help me it wound be really thanked for
[06:20] <encryptio> and one home folder?
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> no
[06:20] <encryptio> mm.
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> common area for sharing
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> but not commmon home
[06:20] <jgeorgeson> Gmail: i have no idea how to fix that
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> causes problems
[06:24] <Gmail> ok abiword is only 5MBs
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> Ubuntu 4.1, SuSE 9.1, Slackware 10, Libranet, Mandrake 10.1, Fedora core2 and xpee
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> kinda crazy
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> but fun
[06:28] <mbb> anyone know what file might store info about sound card resources? Looking for DMA now, troubleshooting a sound oddity.
[06:29] <jgeorgeson> /proc/dma
[06:30] <mbb> jgeorgeson: thanks, stand by, gotta start the laptop.
[06:30] <encryptio> right on, man.
[06:33] <jgeorgeson> brb
[06:42] <mbb> jgeorgeson: dma only said "4: cascade", doesn't tell me anything. the problem is,
[06:43] <mbb> sound is all garbled and slow, *unless* my nic or wireless pcmcia are plugged in. then normal. Sounded like an irq deal to me, but don't think that's it now. you have any troubleshooting ideas?
[06:43] <linux_galore> hmm T22 thinkpad are cheap on ebay
[06:43] <mbb> not just ubuntu, happens with Knoppix too.
[06:44] <jgeorgeson> thinkpads tend to work pretty well with linux
[06:44] <jgeorgeson> hm, i'm guessing your sound card isn't an old isa one?
[06:45] <mbb> jgeorgeson: thinkpad 390x, built in. essolo.
[06:45] <jgeorgeson> mbb: /proc/dma was all i had without searching google
[06:46] <mbb> another user on the mailing list has same model, does the same thing. I'm still dreaming of a fix or workaround, but I've got many hours in it, no luck!
[06:46] <jgeorgeson> mbb:  http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://adequat.c2a.fr/linux/howtos/390x/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dessolo%2Blinux%2Bdma%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D
[06:46] <jgeorgeson> loading pretty slow though, might be down
[06:47] <mbb> it works normally in ms windows 98. haven't tried a non debian based live cd.
[06:47] <Hikaru79> What is Ubuntu's equivalent of Windows' "ipconfig -all" again? ^ ^;;
[06:47] <jgeorgeson> ifconfig -a
[06:48] <bob2> ip addr
[06:50] <jgeorgeson> mbb: have you checked out linux-thinkpad.org?
[06:51] <jgeorgeson> mbb: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-118677.html
[06:51] <adoyretsamon|utb> ouch
[06:51] <adoyretsamon|utb> that is scary
[06:51] <jgeorgeson> adoyretsamon|utb: ?
[06:51] <adoyretsamon|utb> yea
[06:51] <adoyretsamon|utb> the warning
[06:51] <adoyretsamon|utb> about sensors
[06:51] <jgeorgeson> oh, yeah
[06:52] <adoyretsamon|utb> old, but good info
[06:52] <Outlander> hi
[06:52] <adoyretsamon|utb> i know my EPROM would be fried if i had one
[06:53] <adoyretsamon|utb> Hey Outlander
[06:53] <jgeorgeson> i haven't looked at lmsensors since '98/'99
[06:53] <adoyretsamon|utb> got it running on my suse desktop
[06:53] <adoyretsamon|utb> good info
[06:53] <adoyretsamon|utb> keeps my amd from frying
[06:54] <jgeorgeson> does acpi report temp info
[06:54] <mbb> jgeorgeson: linuxforums, been there. my bios doesn't have that option.there are a number of versions of the 390x.
[06:54] <adoyretsamon|utb> not sure
[06:54] <mbb> but hadn't seen linux-thinkpad.org, looking at that now.
[06:55] <adoyretsamon|utb> bios does
[06:55] <adoyretsamon|utb> i get fan speeds and CPU /MB temp
[06:55] <adoyretsamon|utb> display them in gkrellm
[06:55] <adoyretsamon|utb> plugin
[06:55] <Xenguy> well that was one short install attempt :-/
[06:55] <GnuHippy> what is the kernel module for the VIA KT800 Pro chipset?
[06:55] <GnuHippy> ???
[06:56] <Xenguy> The install hung at 'Loading components of the Ubuntu Installer', at 'Retrieving e2fsprogs-udeb'...
[06:56] <bob2> Xenguy: sure the cd burne properly?
[06:56] <Xenguy> Just started flashing at me like a stobe light :-(
[06:56] <bob2> GnuHippy: why?
[06:56] <Xenguy> er, strobe
[06:57] <Xenguy> bob2: I guess I'll try burning another copy
[06:57] <bob2> Xenguy: check the md5sum of the cd
[06:57] <linux_galore> lol IBM thinkpad 390 AUD$21
[06:57] <GnuHippy> I want to enable DMA on my drives
[06:57] <Xenguy> bob2: OK
[06:57] <GnuHippy> bob2
[06:57] <adoyretsamon|utb> GnuHippy, hdparm
[06:58] <adoyretsamon|utb> i use it
[06:59] <GnuHippy> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[07:00] <GnuHippy> /dev/sda:
[07:00] <GnuHippy>  HDIO_GET_QDMA failed: Invalid argument
[07:01] <GnuHippy> also why doesn't it work when I set it in disks-admin
[07:01] <GnuHippy> ?
[07:02] <adoyretsamon|utb> GnuHippy, this is old, but it is good info on hdparm
[07:02] <adoyretsamon|utb> http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html
[07:05] <hacked``> guys
[07:05] <hacked``> can anyone help me set up kismet, once and for all
[07:05] <tom-cat> hi folks
[07:06] <Xenguy> bob2: how do I check the md5sum of the CD (I don't have the original .iso file, just the burned CD) ?
[07:06] <bob2> md5sum /dev/hdc
[07:06] <vera> hi I am getting annoyed by a >350mb mem. usage for gnome-vfs-daemon
[07:06] <Xenguy> bob2: OK, tried that but was taking a long time - I'll try again
[07:06] <bob2> hacked``: install it.  read the README.  run kismet_server and kismet_client
[07:06] <vera> does anyone know how can I reduce it?
[07:08] <mbb> hacked``: what does kismet not do for you?
[07:08] <GnuHippy> adoyretsamon|utb that guide didn't work
[07:09] <GnuHippy> setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[07:09] <GnuHippy>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[07:12] <hacked``> mbb, it doesnt work
[07:13] <hacked``> get a gay message
[07:13] <hacked``> ie. FATAL: Unable to open cisco control file '/proc/driver/aironet/eth1/Config' 2:No such file or directory
[07:13] <Xenguy> bob2: hrm, here's the output (doesn't look good)...
[07:13] <Xenguy> bob2: # md5sum /dev/hdd
[07:13] <Xenguy> error processing /dev/hdd: failed in buffer_read(fd): mdfile: Input/output error
[07:14] <Xenguy> bob2: any idea if that is the CD, or some different issue?
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> GnuHippy: did you do it
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> sudo hdparm
[07:16] <GnuHippy> I did
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> odd
[07:16] <GnuHippy> I know
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> i mean really
[07:17] <mbb> hacked``: what does it do when you try? I had to edit the config file here, tell it what chipset and driver.
[07:17] <bob2> Xenguy: could be a dodge cd, could be a dodge drive
[07:18] <bob2> Xenguy: burn at a slower speed might help
[07:19] <hacked``> mbb, thats the problem, im not sure what chipset/driver i have
[07:19] <vera> can anyone help me with this gnome-vfs-daemon problem ? I run top and it says it is using 95% of cpu and 60% of memory
[07:20] <Lowry> Hi
[07:20] <Lowry> Any ppc users on?
[07:20] <Hikaru79> I'm having a small issue with java programs; for some reason, all my java programs will automatically close themselves if I close the terminal window from which I ran them
[07:20] <Hikaru79> Is this normal?
[07:20] <Hikaru79> Isn't there a way to run Java programs WITHOUT a terminal window open for it?
[07:20] <Xenguy> bob2: I guess I'll try burning another CD -- thanks
[07:20] <mbb> hacked``: what do you know about the wireless card? brand, model, does it work with ubuntu at all, etc?
[07:20] <Hikaru79> I could do it on Debian... but on Ubuntu it doesn't work :(
[07:21] <vera> Hikaru79,: ./program &
[07:21] <bob2> Lowry: lots, just ask your question
[07:21] <hacked``> yep, works perfectly, im using it now
[07:21] <Lowry> Are lucent 802.11b card supported from the cd?
[07:21] <bob2> Lowry: yes
[07:21] <bob2> well, some at least
[07:21] <Lowry> I just wanted to add it and networking crashed
[07:21] <Hikaru79> vera, what do you mean?
[07:21] <bob2> "networking crashed"?
[07:22] <Lowry> Selected eth1
[07:22] <hacked``> mbb, its a cisco, on my toshiba satellite pro 6100 laptop
[07:22] <hacked``> mbb, actually its a prism 2 card
[07:23] <Lowry> rebadged lucent silver
[07:23] <GnuHippy> how do I alias my SATA drive as ATA from grub?
[07:24] <bob2> alias it? why?
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> bob2: he wants to use hdaparm
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> and it doens't support scsi
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> so alias SCSI=IDE ?
[07:25] <GnuHippy> /dev/sda1:
[07:25] <GnuHippy>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[07:25] <GnuHippy>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid argument
[07:25] <bob2> ug
[07:25] <GnuHippy> thats the error I get
[07:25] <mbb> hacked``: I went to "http://www.kismetwireless.net/documentation.shtml" and read the Section 11 about Capture Sources
[07:25] <nomasteryoda> bob2: it's a SATA drive
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> mounted on /dev/sda1
[07:26] <bob2> I know
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> ok
[07:26] <bob2> I'm pretty sure they all enable dma by default
[07:26] <bob2> unless some idiot vendor made a broken one already
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> totally possible
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> lots of idiots out there
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> =)
[07:26] <bob2> GnuHippy: file a bug
[07:26] <mbb> hacked``: and in my case, edited /etc/kismet/kismset.conf - changed source=mdwif_g,ath0,madwif_gsource and It Just Worked.
[07:27] <GnuHippy> well DMA isn't enabled on my DVD burner and my whole system crawls when burning
[07:27] <nomasteryoda> mbb, cool
[07:27] <GnuHippy> which doesn't happen in other distros
[07:27] <nomasteryoda> GnuHippy: mine did
[07:27] <nomasteryoda> until i set it
[07:27] <bob2> your dvd is sata?
[07:27] <GnuHippy> no IDE
[07:28] <GnuHippy> ATA
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> unless things have changed, the default is to make most compatible...i.e. slower, but working
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> i enable 32bit disk access on the HDs too
[07:29] <GnuHippy> well DMA was enabled in Windows by default
[07:29] <mac2612> hi guys, just installed ubuntu, and totem's crashing whenever I try and open something in totem
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> mac2612: does that for me too
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> any movie
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> i got mplayer
[07:30] <mac2612> yeah
[07:30] <mac2612> songs too?
[07:30] <GnuHippy> you need the codecs to handle the movie
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> that fixed
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> yes
[07:30] <schifo> guys, fedora 3 just came out 10 minutes ago, what is ubuntu's response ?
[07:30] <GnuHippy> totem-xine and w32codecs etc
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> yuck
[07:30] <mac2612> it's not in the apt-get sources, so it's a pain
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> mac2612: yes it is
[07:30] <GnuHippy> you have to add universe and multiverse
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> yea
[07:30] <mac2612> gnuhippy, totem-xine will uninstall ubuntu-desktop for some reason
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> thks
[07:31] <mbb> hacked``: another site worth a look is http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz for finding chipset, etc about a wide range of cards
[07:31] <GnuHippy> wha???
[07:31] <GnuHippy> wierd
[07:31] <mac2612> yep
[07:31] <nomasteryoda> mac2612: just try mplayer
[07:31] <GnuHippy> get mplayer and compile it from source
[07:31] <mac2612> nomasteryoda, that's probably what I'll do in the end
[07:31] <nomasteryoda> apt-get install mplayer works
[07:31] <GnuHippy> make sure you install w32codecs before you compile it
[07:31] <mac2612> I'm more farmiliar with mplayer anyways
[07:31] <GnuHippy> yeah
[07:31] <bob2> schifo: um, what is there to respond to?
[07:32] <nomasteryoda> it's very sweet
[07:32] <nomasteryoda> bob2, LOL
[07:32] <GnuHippy> fedora sucks
[07:32] <nomasteryoda> amen
[07:32] <mac2612> yeah I've compiled mplayer before
[07:32] <GnuHippy> up2date sucks
[07:32] <GnuHippy> yum sucks
[07:32] <bob2> RANDOME LINUX #32837 came out today, too
[07:32] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[07:32] <bob2> we should issue a press release!
[07:32] <GnuHippy> because linux distro should really compete that heavily ;)
[07:32] <schifo> bob2, there needs to be a rapid response to competitor's news
[07:32] <nomasteryoda> bob2, but it is good another distro was released
[07:32] <bob2> schifo: why?
[07:33] <GnuHippy> distro wars are stupid
[07:33] <bob2> schifo: what is there to say?
[07:33] <schifo> bob2, distro war
[07:33] <bob2> schifo: huh?
[07:33] <nomasteryoda> schifo: i have 6 on my laptop... not a war
[07:33] <schifo> bob2, ex: new ubuntu version out monday
[07:33] <bob2> no one older than 13 takes "distro wars" as anything more than a joke
[07:33] <schifo> that would be a response
[07:33] <bob2> schifo: that would be stupid
[07:33] <mac2612> well at least they encourage competitiveness
[07:33] <bob2> there's 5.5 months left in hoary's development cycle
[07:33] <nomasteryoda> experimentation is what i like about it
[07:34] <GnuHippy> hoary pwnz
[07:34] <nomasteryoda> how long is the timeout on sudo?
[07:35] <GnuHippy> I think it is 5 min
[07:35] <nomasteryoda> ok
[07:35] <nomasteryoda> good
[07:35] <GnuHippy> is the AMD64 build good yet?
[07:35] <GnuHippy> I may switch over to that to see if I can get DMA working
[07:36] <mdz> GnuHippy: absolutely
[07:36] <mdz> nomasteryoda: default is 15min
[07:36] <GnuHippy> are the hoary packages all there for AMD64?
[07:36] <wfx> where do i find a apt resoure for the eclipse ide
[07:37] <mdz> GnuHippy: essentially
[07:37] <mdz> there are probably some failures out in universe, but then, there are for i386 too
[07:37] <GnuHippy> k
[07:37] <mac2612> hmm is the ppc build oldworld compatible?
[07:38] <nomasteryoda> mdz, even better
[07:38] <nomasteryoda> thks
[07:38] <nomasteryoda> mac2612: i've got an old world powerbook
[07:38] <bob2> mac2612: I don't think it will boot on it
[07:38] <mdz> mac2612: the software will generally run on it, but the installer isn't very smart about oldworld
[07:38] <nomasteryoda> 200mhz
[07:38] <nomasteryoda> 3400c
[07:38] <mdz> you'll likely need to set up the boot loader yourself
[07:38] <nomasteryoda> runs yellowdog
[07:38] <mac2612> yeah, bootx probably
[07:38] <nomasteryoda> yup
[07:39] <mac2612> yeah I don't like yellowdog very much
[07:39] <nomasteryoda> me too
[07:39] <nomasteryoda> it's deadhat
[07:39] <nomasteryoda> if i could move to Ubuntu
[07:39] <nomasteryoda> i certainly would
[07:39] <mac2612> it's just an even worse implementation of redhat
[07:39] <mac2612> yeah
[07:39] <mac2612> hmm well I'm gonna have a look at it sometime
[07:39] <nomasteryoda> i only have 48mb ram
[07:39] <nomasteryoda> thats the issue
[07:39] <mac2612> on my powercomputing clone
[07:39] <mac2612> yeah
[07:39] <mac2612> LOL
[07:39] <bob2> the installer should just run in 48MB
[07:40] <mac2612> I was trying to run linux on a 1400c with 16mb ram
[07:40] <bob2> but gnome will be very unhappy
[07:40] <nomasteryoda> bob2, good
[07:40] <nomasteryoda> my gnome was unhappy
[07:40] <mac2612> yeah, but you could substitiute gnome with like icewm
[07:40] <nomasteryoda> ... i got the thing from the dumpster
[07:40] <nomasteryoda> wanted to try linux on it
[07:40] <linux_galore> wonder if they will do a DVD version of Ubuntu considering DVD based machines are around 3-4 years old now
[07:40] <nomasteryoda> sure
[07:41] <mac2612> lol, our school stole 486s out of a BOCES dumpster and gave them to teachers
[07:41] <nomasteryoda> mac2612: lol
[07:41] <nomasteryoda> stole as in got them
[07:41] <nomasteryoda> not nicked
[07:41] <mac2612> yeah
[07:41] <nomasteryoda> k
[07:41] <mac2612> like
[07:41] <nomasteryoda> kool
[07:41] <mac2612> took them out of the trash
[07:41] <hazmat> are developers running hoary for a desktop?
[07:41] <linux_galore> heh heh @ dumpster diving for mhz
[07:42] <mac2612> they were eduquest 486-25s
[07:42] <mac2612> 70mb harddrives crammed with win95
[07:42] <bob2> hazmat: you'd have to ask them, but all new packages being uploaded are expected to have been tested on hoary
[07:42] <mac2612> they'dve made great linux terminals though
[07:42] <nomasteryoda> sure
[07:44] <mdz> linux_galore: yes, we'll roll a DVD image
[07:44] <mac2612> nomasteryoda, that was awhile ago, our elementary schools art department and resource rooms got stuck with 486s while some got PIIs and PIIIs
[07:44] <mdz> maybe a couple of varieties
[07:45] <mdz> hazmat: I'm running hoary on all my desktops
[07:45] <nomasteryoda> great to hear mdz
[07:45] <nomasteryoda> on both counts
[07:49] <wfx> hmmm, cant find eclipse 3.0.x
[07:51] <encryptio> what id3 editing software do you guys recommend?
[07:52] <encryptio> time to search google
[07:52] <jdandr2> I am rying to get the ov51x driver working on ubuntu (for my eyetoy) .. from http://alpha.dyndns.org/ov511/download.html#ov51x ...   when I type make, it says no directory  /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-2-386/build
[07:53] <mac2612> encryptio, kinda depends on what you're doing with it
[07:54] <smo> jdandr2: You most likely need linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-2-386 installed
[07:54] <encryptio> just editing tags..
[07:54] <encryptio> simple. i don't need much else
[07:55] <mac2612> ahh
[07:55] <mac2612> like mass editing?
[07:55] <jdandr2> smo, yeah, but they don't appear to be in ubuntu's repositories, I jump from 2.6.7 to 2.6.9
[07:55] <mdz> encryptio: rhythmbox
[07:55] <mdz> jdandr2: note 'linux' rather than 'kernel'
[07:55] <mdz> (this is in the FAQ, by the way)
[07:55] <jdandr2> mdz, dooh, sorry
[07:55] <mac2612> yeah I'd go with rhythmbox usually
[07:55] <jdandr2> mdz, I usually roll my own kernel so haven't had this issue
[07:55] <nomasteryoda> yea
[07:56] <nomasteryoda> rhythmbox is great
[07:57] <jdandr2> mdz, sorry to say it, but doing what the faq says doesn't work ... : apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r` --- is <IP_ADDRESS>-2 not the default kernel?
[07:57] <mdz> jdandr2: <IP_ADDRESS>-2 is obsolete
[07:58] <mdz> the headers were removed from the archive along with the kernel
[07:58] <jdandr2> ahh
[07:58] <mdz> that's pre-warty stuff
[07:58] <mdz> sudo apt-get install linux-386 will get you the latest one
[07:58] <Lowry> I am getting unknown device with my lucent wireless card
[07:59] <mdz> jdandr2: if you installed a pre-release, you should read this: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogUpgradeNotes
[08:08] <hectorvs> anyone have experience using guessnet-ifupdown and waproamd?
[08:08] <mdz> hectorvs: it looks like NetworkManager is how we'll be accomplishing the same things in Hoary
[08:09] <encryptio> how do I edit a wiki I created?
[08:09] <encryptio> oh, "edit".
[08:09] <hectorvs> mdz: so i guess i have to hold 5 more months =)
[08:10] <mdz> hectorvs: not necessarily; you can upgrade to hoary anytime you like
[08:10] <mdz> if you're willing to accept instability from time to time
[08:11] <hectorvs> mdz: hmm... where is the list of improvements hoary is having?
[08:12] <mdz> hectorvs: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals
[08:15] <hectorvs> mdz:  in which category does the automatic wireless detection fall into?
[08:15] <GammaRay> GNOME 2.10? hih?
[08:15] <GammaRay> err huh rather (-;
[08:16] <mdz> hectorvs: NetworkManager
[08:16] <mdz> GammaRay: huh?
[08:16] <hectorvs> mdz: thanks =)
[08:16] <teletype> i've been using linux since slackware 0.99pl14, and i have to say ubuntu is probably the most impressive distro i've seen
[08:16] <GammaRay> mdz: my question exactly
[08:16] <mdz> GammaRay: I don't understand your question
[08:17] <teletype> if there's any developers here, kudos =)
[08:17] <GammaRay> mdz: what's up w/ that version?
[08:17] <hectorvs> hey mdz: is there a way for ubuntu to have a nice startup screen (like a loading screen) at boot up instead of the ugly startup text?
[08:17] <smo> *ahem*  wrong window
[08:17] <mdz> GammaRay: when hoary is released, it will include GNOME 2.10
[08:18] <mdz> hectorvs: that's the "usplash" item on the same page
[08:18] <hectorvs> =)
[08:19] <GammaRay> mdz: gnome is currently at 2.8.x.. where do they get "2.10" from?
[08:20] <mdz> GammaRay: GNOME uses a release numbering scheme similar to Linux
[08:20] <mdz> GammaRay: 2.8 is a stable release, 2.9 development, 2.10 stable, etc.
[08:21] <GammaRay> hmm I guess i just assumed 3.0 was next
[08:21] <GammaRay> I read 2.10 as 2.1
[08:21] <|trey|> GammaRay, 3.0 would represent a break of binary compatibility... there won't be one..
[08:22] <GammaRay> I'm sure they could think of something ;-)
[08:23] <|trey|> :/
[08:25] <hectorvs> mdz: the gnome-background-properties keeps crashing on me every time I open it, this happened ever since i tried to add a readonly wallpaper through the drag and drop... how can i fix this? =(
[08:26] <GammaRay> is it just me or are some tools missing from gnome-system-tools?
[08:27] <GammaRay> like the bootloader and the run level editors
[08:28] <|trey|> GammaRay, I see both...
[08:28] <bob2> same here
[08:28] <schifo> i was wondering if anybody can help me get my orinoco driver into monitor mode
[08:28] <|trey|> 'Boot' and 'Services'...
[08:28] <GammaRay> hmm.. what are the bins called?
[08:28] <schifo> having a hard time
[08:28] <schifo> downloaded the patch
[08:28] <schifo> not sure how to apply
[08:29] <schifo> or if i even have the correct patch
[08:29] <hectorvs> i cant change my background! =S the app crashes everytime!
[08:29] <mdz> GammaRay: the init script manager was disabled upstream
[08:29] <|trey|> 'boot-admin' and 'services-admin'
[08:29] <hectorvs> how do i reset it?
[08:29] <mdz> it breaks things
[08:29] <GammaRay> mdz: don't see either when I do dpkg -L gnome-system-tools | grep bin
[08:29] <mdz> GammaRay: exactly
[08:29] <mdz> they're disabled
[08:30] <smo> hectorvs: You could try editing ~/.gnome2/backgrounds.xml to remove the wallpaper that's causing issues .. I'm not sure if there's a more graceful aproach
[08:30] <GammaRay> so why does |trey| here have them?
[08:30] <mdz> you'll have to ask |trey|
[08:30] <hectorvs> smo: thanks! thatss what i needed, lemme check
[08:30] <GammaRay> me asks |trey|
[08:30] <mdz> because Ubuntu doesn't ship the run level editor
[08:31] <|trey|> GammaRay, running hoary, haven't upgraded in the last 24 hours... maybe thats why?  :/
[08:31] <mdz> ah, they might be re-enabled in the 2.9 release in hoary
[08:31] <mdz> disabled for 2.8
[08:31] <GammaRay> ic
[08:31] <mdz> I wonder whether they actually fixed the breakage, though
[08:31] <mdz> some people went and compiled it and tried to use it on ubuntu anyway
[08:31] <mdz> and it rearranges the boot order and breaks it
[08:32] <GammaRay> 2.8? what version number scheme is that? (-;
[08:32] <mdz> the one I just explained?
[08:32] <|trey|> GammaRay, quit being nit-picky... 2.8.x is what he meant...
[08:32] <GammaRay> oh so you are refering to gnome's
[08:33] <GammaRay> |trey|: I'm not.. just confused
[08:33] <hectorvs> smo: it worked great, thanks!!
[08:35] <GammaRay> seriously.. I knew about the whole odd-even scheme before.. it just never crossed my ditsy head that we would hit 10 instead of roll over
[08:45] <wfx> where do i find glib-gettext >= 2.2.0
[09:04] <wfx> i also searching for glib-gettextize
[09:05] <wfx> it should be a part of glib-2 but where do i find it
[09:06] <wfx> there are debian packages for this: ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk/v2.2/
[09:07] <Pizbit> Not thinking of the packages gettext and gettext-base are ya?
[09:08] <wfx> hase the wrong version i need gettext >= 2.2.0
[09:09] <Pizbit> What're you compiling?
[09:09] <wfx> im a developer of teg.sf.net and have swithc ot ubuntu for development.
[09:10] <wfx> switch to :-)
[09:14] <wfx> Pizbit, any hint?
[09:14] <Pizbit> nope
[09:16] <wfx> argh
[09:16] <Pizbit> Got universe and all that enabled?
[09:16] <wfx> yes
[09:17] <mdz> wfx: libglib2.0-dev
[09:17] <wfx> mdz, is installed
[09:17] <alka_trash> hey everyone
[09:17] <mdz> wfx: contains glib-gettextize
[09:17] <wfx> ah no ! not the dev :-)
[09:18] <mdz> wfx: the answer to all other questions of the same form is http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/Contents-i386.gz
[09:19] <alka_trash> I was thinking that it would nice to have a Ubuntu tweaking section in the forum
[09:19] <wfx> mdz, big thx.
[09:19] <alka_trash> Like some speed enhancements
[09:20] <mdz> like what?
[09:20] <alka_trash> like removing some unneeded modules
[09:20] <alka_trash> maybe
[09:20] <alka_trash> and hdparm
[09:20] <mdz> that won't make your system any faster
[09:20] <alka_trash> settings
[09:20] <alka_trash> really
[09:21] <alka_trash> Hmm there must be somthing
[09:21] <mdz> the interesting bits of hdparm are enabled automatically by the kernel now
[09:21] <alka_trash> how about Xfree
[09:21] <mdz> alka_trash: if there were a magic switch to make your system faster, we'd enable it by default :-)
[09:22] <alka_trash> mdz: I was thinking there must be something
[09:22] <alka_trash> other than cpu specific builds
[09:23] <alka_trash> how about pre-linking
[09:23] <alka_trash> I've heard that this is a speed up, on some systems
[09:25] <smo> I think the only "tweak" ubuntu's needed on my system, was my dualhead/TwinView setup.  Past that, not needing hours of tinkering has been the major attraction.  I do have real-life things to do afterall
[09:25] <mdz> alka_trash: you'd be surprised
[09:26] <alka_trash> I am surprised
[09:28] <mdz> we already do linker optimization, which, it turns out is a bigger win than prelinking, without the drawbacks
[09:29] <alka_trash> I love ubuntu, it's a great OS, and I feel that  ( and probably a lot of people here ) I like to tweak computer setting to get everything customized. My first complaint  : Ubuntu needs to be less polished,  so I have to tweak with the OS.    :) he he
[09:29] <wfx> ok it compile fine and works :-)
[09:30] <mdz> alka_trash: LD_DEBUG=statistics /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ld-linux.so.2 <path to program>
[09:30] <mdz> alka_trash: will show you some statistics
[09:30] <alka_trash> Thanks
[09:30] <mdz> those are the upper bounds on improvement due to prelinking
[09:30] <mdz> here's a typical value:
[09:30] <mdz>      16662:       total startup time in dynamic loader: 63510809 clock cycles
[09:31] <mdz> 63M clock cycles on a 2GHz system is about 0.03 seconds
[09:38] <volvoguy> hi all
[09:38] <Ruffian|JANE|> GOD I LOVE UBUNTU!
[09:39] <mctavish> hi ho. How is the merge coming along?  Or something like that
[09:40] <Ruffian|JANE|> oh ya
[09:40] <Ruffian|JANE|> duh
[09:40] <TongMaster> mctavish, I was riding you this morning, conditions weren;t very good but I enjoye it just the same.
[09:40] <Ruffian|JANE|> hurr? wtf?
[09:41] <volvoguy> hey, can someone help me with a menial task? i have a whole drive full of mp3's, multiple levels deep. for some reason they're all showing up as executables. is there an easy way to recursively change them all?
[09:41] <mctavish> Really? I don't remember. I must have been still asleep.
[09:41] <TongMaster> The cold water woke me up at least but you performed quite well.
[09:41] <mctavish> Ho yeah, mctavish make surfboards don't they
[09:42] <TongMaster> http://mctavish.com.au/
[09:42] <TongMaster> yeah :)
[09:43] <smo> volvoguy: find?  eg, find /your/mp3s/ -name "*mp3" -exec chmod 644 "{}" ";"
[09:45] <SuperL4g> alka_trash: I wouldn't mind knowing how to remove some of those unneeded modules.  I know it's only cosmetic, but I like good looks. ;)
[09:45] <volvoguy> smo: that probably needs sudo too, right? what do the characters at the end do?
[09:45] <SuperL4g> alka_trash: I thought it would have been /etc/modules.conf, but that wasn't it.
[09:45] <Ruffian|JANE|> aaah, My kittie left me a nice regurgitated present
[09:45] <smo> volvoguy: depends who owns those files.  if your user owns them, it shouldn't need sudo.  "{}" is replaced by the filename, and ";" has a point too, I just don't know it ;o)
[09:46] <smo> (I'm a parrot-fashion kinda guy)
[09:46] <alka_trash> SuperL4g: I felt that it would help free up unused memory
[09:46] <SuperL4g> also... how I can turn on my Atheros network card from the beginning, so I don't have to reboot to access my network the first time
[09:46] <volvoguy> smo: thanks! going to process 10,000 files now. :-)
[09:46] <SuperL4g> as it stands now, I have to install with no network, then reboot, and associate with my ESSID & WEP key, and then update
[09:47] <alka_trash> SuperL4g: I guess that's not the case, oh well , it amazing I would swear that my computer was faster after removing those unused modules
[09:47] <SuperL4g> if I could do it up front it would just update everything during the install and save about 20 minutes
[09:48] <maskie> volvoguy, AFAIK the ";" means carryon and do not stop until the end .. or something to that affect
[09:48] <SuperL4g> is that possible?
[09:49] <Ruffian|JANE|> stupid net split
[09:49] <volvoguy> maskie, thanks! i'll have to check out the man page for the shell.
[09:57] <volvoguy> so, i just replatformed a SuSE server with Ubuntu. that drive of mp3's is reiserfs and i've already had to fix up some owner/group things and permissions things (it worked great smo!). any other issues i should expect to run into, getting this thing going in Ubuntu?
[09:57] <GammaRay> replatformed?
[09:58] <wfx> :-)
[09:58] <volvoguy> well, kinda. linux A to linux B. :)
[10:00] <SuperL4g> Suggestions:
[10:00] <SuperL4g>     - Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
[10:00] <SuperL4g>     - Search the Web for documents that contain " replatformed"
[10:00] <SuperL4g> >:)
[10:00] <SuperL4g> b_e_n_z: sup?
[10:00] <volvoguy> i seem to always get hung up on fstab. it should be a straightforward "/dev/hdd1 /home/music reiserfs defaults 0 0", right?
[10:00] <b_e_n_z> SuperL4g: yo
[10:01] <GammaRay> SuperL4g: my buzz word dectector was going haywire
[10:01] <GammaRay> I cringe when I hear people talking about "plating up food" on cooking shows
[10:03] <SuperL4g> is there a way to pass ESSID and WEP info before you start the install, so I can get connectivity before the first reboot? as it stands right now, I have to do the install without the network, then reboot, then update.  If I could pass the options pre-install it would update everything up front and save about 20 minutes. :)
[10:03] <volvoguy> :-) hey, when you only have one friend with a computer science degree, you tend to steal their terminology.
[10:03] <SuperL4g> tell him he needs to go back to school, then! :)
[10:03] <volvoguy> and i used it the way he uses it. but you're right, it doesn't seem to mean anything. heh.
[10:05] <maskie> volvoguy, maybe migrate might be beter suited --- migrate Linux A to Linux B
[10:06] <volvoguy> you guys just delay your answers to make people look stuff up, don't you? :-) with things fixed and mounted like my example, things seem to be working good locally. now i just need to turn this into an smb share.
[10:08] <volvoguy> at least i didn't "paradigm shift" my server. buzzwords never seem to make sense. like the line in "A Princess Bride" - "That word you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means." :-)
[10:09] <GammaRay> volvoguy: god I hope you didn't watch that by choice
[10:10] <mdz> SuperL4g: the installer does allow you to configure the network interface immediately, if it is detected by the installer.  Unfortunately, the installer and the installed system use entirely different hardware detection methods in Warty
[10:10] <volvoguy> ok. back to work. we *kinda* have a gui to set up smb shares in Hoary, but we have to do it manually in Warty, correct?
[10:11] <volvoguy> GammaRay: what do you mean!? i've comitted the entire script to memory! it was a cult favorite in my band. one member even had the theme music played at his wedding. hehe.
[10:11] <Hikaru79> Where do you edit the mimetype associations of Firefox?
[10:12] <GammaRay> so.. this band you keep speaking of...
[10:12] <plovs> volvoguy, hi, how is installing going?
[10:12] <Todd_MA_1975> volvoguy: yep. shares-admin isn't in Warty
[10:13] <volvoguy> GammaRay: i'm sure you never heard of us (heard in the past tense). we haven't done it professionally since the early 90's.
[10:14] <volvoguy> hey plovs. install is good. big hard drive full of files is good. now i just need to do some smb.conf tweaking.
[10:14] <GammaRay> volvoguy: all my music is from the early 90's (-;
[10:14] <plovs> volvoguy, what did you mean with headless?
[10:14] <GammaRay> around 93, they just stopped making good music
[10:15] <plovs> volvoguy, in your mail to ubuntu-doc
[10:15] <volvoguy> GammaRay: ok. i'll give you a free tshirt of you've heard of us. we had the brilliant name "glorious thunder" - and i wasn't in the band when they picked that name. :-)
[10:15] <Todd_MA_1975> Hikaru79: Looking at about:config it looks like the global file is /etc/mime.types and individual user at ~/.mime.types
[10:16] <Hikaru79> Thanks, Todd =)
[10:16] <GammaRay> volvoguy: never heard of ya :-P
[10:16] <volvoguy> plovs: eventually this is just going to be a fileserver. no video card, and i really don't need to run Gnome.
[10:16] <GammaRay> volvoguy: the name could have been worse..
[10:17] <GammaRay> could have been britney spears or something
[10:17] <volvoguy> GammaRay. I know. I can't even repeat some of the alternative ideas. hehe.
[10:17] <SuperL4g> mdz: yeah, and while the installer detects the ethernet NICs it does not see the wireless NIC. :/
[10:18] <GammaRay> live was not the greatest name
[10:18] <plovs> volvoguy, if you want some sort of frontend use webmin
[10:18] <volvoguy> plovs: i haven't searched the site or the list yet, but i'm sure it's pretty easy to just boot to a console instead of a full gui.
[10:18] <SuperL4g> mdz: which is strange, because if I execute a shell from the installer, it shows that the modules for the Atheros NIC are loaded. :)
[10:18] <GammaRay> for one.. is it live or live?
[10:19] <wfx> GammaRay, hmmm by this nick i must think on birth control ;-)
[10:19] <volvoguy> plovs: webmin is a samba thing, right? *going to check out the repositories*
[10:20] <SuperL4g> no
[10:20] <SuperL4g> webmin is a webmin thing
[10:20] <wfx> :) webmin can do alot
[10:20] <SuperL4g> you can say that again
[10:20] <GammaRay> wfx: it's actually named after a band who took their name from the song GammaRay by guess who
[10:21] <volvoguy> just remember - the more options i get, the more questions i ask you. :-)
[10:21] <GammaRay> webmin... is uh.. webmin
[10:21] <plovs> volvoguy, webmin can make windows users admin a *nix box
[10:21] <wfx> ok, i leave. have a nice day
[10:21] <GammaRay> I find it easier to just crack open a text editor
[10:22] <smo> volvoguy: It's not as confusing as it sounds. webmin is what it claims .. web-based admin.  You feed it plugins depending on what you want to admin with it.  webmin-samba is one of them
[10:22] <GammaRay> in a gui you have to have a checkbox for "everything". it gets confusing.
[10:22] <volvoguy> plovs: i'm going to take a peek at it. looks like it must be in universe? also, i'm not a windows user but my mom is and i don't think she could admin a *nix box. :-)
[10:23] <GammaRay> windows users can't admin windows boxes
[10:23] <volvoguy> hehe
[10:23] <Hikaru79> I'm trying to run BitTornado here... I installed it and everything but when I open a torrent with btdownloadgui.py, simply nothing happens... what'd I do wrong? ><
[10:23] <plovs> volvoguy, it is the easiest way to admin samba, i think
[10:23] <GammaRay> have you seen window's permissions?
[10:24] <volvoguy> thanks plovs!
[10:25] <volvoguy> the general idea with services is that if it's installed, it's going to run. is that a fair statement? once in install the samba server and edit smb.conf, and restart samba - that should be it?
[10:27] <GammaRay> volvoguy: if it has a symlink in /etc/rcS.d/ it should
[10:28] <volvoguy> Thanks GammaRay.
[10:29] <GammaRay> take a look at update-rc.d
[10:29] <plovs> volvoguy, updating the howto how to do this, wait 5 minutes
[10:30] <volvoguy> wow. tons of webmin plugins! it doesn't specify for apache - anyone know if it handles apache2?
[10:30] <volvoguy> thanks plovs!
[10:30] <JDahl> is there no 'kernel-source-2.6.8'?
[10:30] <plovs> is it correct that if i use update-rc.d and the service gets updated, does the service start to run again?
[10:30] <plovs> volvoguy, yes it does
[10:31] <alka_trash> hey everyone, I just got back from a security patching class
[10:32] <alka_trash> interesting stuff
[10:32] <volvoguy> plovs: cool. i might just have to bug you for more info in private chat. (or is it better to keep things public so everyone can learn?) gotta watch that signal to noise ratio.
[10:34] <ernie> hey guys, im having an issue on my laptop when i leave it alone for a while on my home wireless netowrk i cant get back on the internet unless i log into my router and renew dhcp, any suggestions?
[10:34] <alka_trash> I went to Seattle Wa for a company called Patchlink, the rep said that there software will patch Linux, when the question came up about how can you keep up with all the distro's she said that there company patches everything. then I thought that this was a marketing ploy.
[10:35] <alka_trash> I just went to there site, I'm not finding much about patching linux.
[10:36] <b_e_n_z> ernie: sounds like your ap/router has config issues
[10:36] <volvoguy> hey plovs: webmin-apache is dependant on apache 1.3. do i need to install 1.3 and 2.0?
[10:36] <alka_trash> Corporations are feeling the pressure to keep there systems up to date
[10:36] <ernie> well, it works ok on windows
[10:36] <plovs> volvoguy, no, then don't use it
[10:37] <volvoguy> plovs: ok. i REALLY only needed samba anyway. thanks!
[10:37] <alka_trash> yes, it does but to clump linux together like windows I think is impossible
[10:37] <alka_trash> unless your talking about just one distro ( redhat, Suse )
[10:37] <plovs> volvoguy, good, it should work with apache2, maybe ask on the mailing-list
[10:37] <volvoguy> plovs: ok. will do.
[10:38] <alka_trash> so these stats come out about linux and they only pertain to one distro,
[10:38] <maskie> ernie, there is some issues with software suspend on laptops and when it wakes up ... there is some stuff on the wiki about it
[10:39] <JDahl> I cannot find either kernel source or headers for 2.6.8 which is standard for ubuntu...
[10:40] <plovs> volvoguy,  https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuBootupHowto, and stop /etc/init.d/gdm you will no longer have a graphical login or remove gdm off-course
[10:40] <smo> JDahl: ubuntu names then linux-(source,headers,images,modules) rather than kernel-  .. it's covered on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogUpgradeNotes
[10:41] <JDahl> thanks
[10:41] <maskie> JDahl, and the kernel is <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:41] <volvoguy> thanks plovs!
[10:42] <alka_trash> I know I'm ranting but, I think the whole windows security thing is a conspiracy, it's there to create money. why else would MS release a tool to fix the issue made by another company ( Slahvic )
[10:44] <alka_trash> it's like they are making things half ass purposely and then making to pay for the fault.
[10:44] <volvoguy> i tend to agree with you alka_trash. how many MONTHS did they work on SP2, and then in a matter of WEEKS they announce 10 major security issues that still aren't fixed. sheesh.
[10:44] <Kotaka>      - ?
[10:44] <nefertati> hello i ust downloaded gnome-ppp but i dont how to install it. i opened synaptic but i cant find it in the list. can someone help me?
[10:44] <hurr> more security issues because more use it
[10:45] <Lowry> Hi
[10:46] <alka_trash> MS says here's "here's Microsoft Baseline security analyzer for free, but if you want something that you can really use and report on you have to pay 50,000 for
[10:46] <alka_trash> oh bTW it made by this company
[10:46] <Lowry> I am looking for a bug report - but it was not saved to my flash drive
[10:46] <Lowry> Is there a "console" app like in os x
[10:47] <volvoguy> i don't know if that's true though hurr. that's almost like saying that microsoft knows windows better than linux devs know linux. the quantity of installs doesn't really factor in.
[10:47] <Lowry> With a list of logs?
[10:48] <volvoguy> Lowry - you can find all kinds of logs in /var/logs. the console is in the applications menu under system tools.
[10:48] <mjr> Kotaka,
[10:49] <Kotaka>
[10:49] <alka_trash> Linux is way easier to install anyhow, insert CD boot live version of linux, click on click click, install live cd onto harddrive. done ---------- and yes it can be harder depending on what you need to do, but that relative to windows to  :)
[10:50] <alka_trash> what happens to linux it that there is always something that you can openly tweak with
[10:50] <nefertati> i just downloaded gnome-ppp but i dont how to install it. i opened synaptic but i cant find it in the list. can someone help me?
[10:50] <alka_trash> nefertati: sodo dpkg -i <package>
[10:50] <alka_trash> enjoy
[10:51] <nefertati> thanks alka_trash
[10:51] <alka_trash> yeppers
[10:55] <nefertati> alka_trash it says " status database area is locked by another process"
[10:55] <alka_trash> nefertati: close symantic
[10:55] <alka_trash> doh
[10:56] <volvoguy> hey plovs. if you're still here, i discovered that if you select apache2 to install first and THEN select webmin-apache, you don't get dependency messages.
[10:56] <alka_trash> It would be cool if a forum had a point system that people could give you points if you help them
[10:57] <volvoguy> there are generic sites like that on the web alka_trash.
[10:57] <plovs> volvoguy, ah good, i was wondering why it didn't work
[10:57] <alka_trash> nice
[10:58] <nefertati> alka _trash "Couldn't find package gnome-ppp-0.3.17.tar.gz"
[10:58] <alka_trash> volvoguy: man it's hard competing against the world with ideas  :)
[10:58] <volvoguy> i don't remember the name, but on some, people ask questions and then pick the best answer from whoever replies. then they get paid. :)
[10:58] <volvoguy> there's nothing new under the sun alka_trash. :)
[11:00] <volvoguy> nefertati: you either need to be in the directory with the deb file, or use the whole path "dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb"
[11:00] <volvoguy> oops. with a sudo in there too. :)
[11:02] <yann__> he is not using a .deb package... it's a tar.gz (probably source file)
[11:02] <nefertati> now its .tar
[11:02] <yann__> then untar
[11:03] <yann__> cd into the dir, check if there is a file like readme or install
[11:03] <yann__> you will probably have to compile the thing yourself
[11:04] <volvoguy> oops. sorry 'bout that. strange that isn't in the repositories.
[11:04] <the_one> hi
[11:04] <nefertati> i tryed synaptic but i cant find it
[11:05] <Buzzzz_> is it possible to put emacs or vim in gnomes program menus?
[11:05] <nefertati> in which file i had to download the file. because now it is desktop
[11:06] <yann__> Buzzzz_: you could take gvim, that should show up
[11:06] <Lowry>  Where would bug report tool keep past crash logs?
[11:06] <the_one> guys, I need to start k3b setup to and it asks me for the root password, and my password doesn't work. Any suggestions?
[11:06] <Buzzzz_> yann__, oki. should try that. but you can't put other programs there?
[11:06] <volvoguy> nefertati - yeah. i checked too. if it requires compiling, i'm going to leave that to someone more knowledgable than myself.
[11:07] <yann__> Buzzzz_: so far i had no need to. so i do not have a clue how to ;-)
[11:07] <Buzzzz_> yann__, oki thanks
[11:07] <nefertati> :( i dont know how to compile.
[11:08] <yann__> Buzzzz_: well gvim does not show up here in my menus...
[11:08] <the_one> how can I make cdrecord and cdrdao run with root permissions?
[11:08] <the_one> anyone?
[11:09] <Buzzzz_> yann__, ok.. A shortcut on the desktop will do then
[11:09] <yann__> nefertati: what does the readme/install file say? usually just do a ./configure && make && make install
[11:09] <smo> Buzzzz_: "nautilus applications:/" .. you should beable to right-click and add launchers within there
[11:09] <volvoguy> nefertati: there's a debian package for gnome-ppp, but you might want to ask the mailing list to see if anyone has tried it yet.
[11:10] <nefertati> ok now gnome ppp its a dir now i cd to it... i typed ./configure but... it says "hecking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
[11:10] <nefertati> checking whether build environment is sane... yes
[11:10] <nefertati> checking for gawk... no
[11:10] <nefertati> checking for mawk... mawk
[11:10] <nefertati> checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
[11:10] <Buzzzz_> yann__, I have never used gnome before so..
[11:10] <nefertati> checking for intltool >= 0.21... 0.30 found
[11:10] <nefertati> checking for perl... /usr/bin/perl
[11:10] <nefertati> configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool"
[11:10] <Buzzzz_> nefertati, seems that you miss a perl module
[11:10] <beans> i've decided that the build-dep option for apt-get is the finest ever
[11:10] <nefertati> what can i do for that? buzzzz_ ?
[11:11] <Buzzzz_> nefertati, try to fetch it from CSPAN
[11:11] <volvoguy> nefertati: i think that's the "libxml-parser-perl" package in synaptic.
[11:12] <nefertati> ?
[11:12] <the_one> nobody can help?
[11:12] <nefertati> i 'll go to see vovlvoguy
[11:13] <volvoguy> sorry the_one. i haven't tried k3b yet in ubuntu.
[11:15] <the_one> not especially k3b, but there sure is a command to set root permissions to cdrecord and cdrdao, any help with that is appreciated
[11:15] <nefertati> vovlvoguy: there is an libxml2 and libxml2-python2.3
[11:15] <superted> my friend is getting constant problems with the permissions of the .ICEauthority file, so that he can't log in, is there a long-lasting solution?
[11:17] <plovs> the_one, chmod +s
[11:17] <plovs> the_one, sudo chmod +s <program>
[11:17] <volvoguy> nefertati - try searching for "libxml-parser-perl"
[11:17] <nefertati> ok
[11:18] <the_one> plovs: thanks, I'll try that
[11:18] <JonUbuntuNewbie> Hey all - the ubuntu wiki/site doesn't mention much about vnc.  I tried  "apt-get install vnc-common" and it says its there.  How do I run the darn thing?
[11:19] <nefertati> volvoguy : nothing
[11:19] <volvoguy> hi Jon - try the applications menu under internet. "terminal server client".
[11:19] <bob2>  /win31
[11:20] <mjr> vnc-common is only the common files for vnc stuff, there's no clients or servers there
[11:20] <plovs> JonUbuntuNewbie, or under Computer > System config > Re,ote Desktop
[11:20] <mjr> install vino for a gnome-integrated server
[11:20] <volvoguy> for a server, try computer - desktop preferences - remote desktop
[11:20] <JonUbuntuNewbie> thanks volvoguy, but it's the server I want to run
[11:20] <plovs> JonUbuntuNewbie, it's already there
[11:21] <smo> volvoguy: Is that vino?
[11:21] <plovs> JonUbuntuNewbie Just set allow other users to view your desktop
[11:21] <JonUbuntuNewbie> aha, I just found something called vino-server.   Running that seems to do the trick :-/
[11:22] <smo> apparently so .. that's kinda hot.  I shall have to remember that one
[11:22] <nefertati> volvoguy : i search it but i found nothing
[11:22] <alka_trash> vino = vnc
[11:22] <volvoguy> nefertati: that package has an ubuntu logo next to it, so i assume it's in main. do you have the universe repository enabled?
[11:23] <volvoguy> yep smo. pretty slick huh? :)
[11:23] <Kal_Zakath> hi
[11:23] <volvoguy> can anyone else verify that for nefertati?
[11:24] <alka_trash> good night everyone
[11:24] <volvoguy> g'night alka_trash. thansk for the help!
[11:24] <smo> libxml-parser-perl appears to be in warty/main.  It should show up
[11:24] <Kal_Zakath> I can't see attached images anymore in the wiki, i.e. this page : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuArtwork
[11:25] <Kal_Zakath> why ?
[11:25] <volvoguy> i think that's because we switched wiki software Kal
[11:26] <volvoguy> i have the logos and color swatch in SVG format if you need them.
[11:26] <plovs> Kal_Zakath, it's an old not updated page, try https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Artwork
[11:26] <bob2> nefertati: where you here yesterday?
[11:26] <bob2> I solved your problem
[11:26] <bob2> but I forget what it was
[11:26] <nefertati> im not sure abou that volvoguy.but how i will enable the unuverse repository :??
[11:26] <plovs> Kal_Zakath, and volvoguy has more artwork
[11:26] <nefertati> yes bob2
[11:26] <bob2> nefertati: what were you asking about?
[11:27] <Kal_Zakath> volvoguy : yeah, I would need this stuff, where can I get it ?
[11:27] <Kal_Zakath> I'd like to create a bootsplash theme
[11:27] <plovs> nefertati, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:27] <Kal_Zakath> as I got bootsplash working
[11:27] <JonUbuntuNewbie> I didn't install vino - it just seems to be there.  So all is well.   A bit slow on my local area network, connecting from my Apple OS X.
[11:27] <volvoguy> Kal_Zakath: i'll put it on a webserver. give me a minute. :)
[11:28] <Kal_Zakath> ok, cool
[11:28] <Kal_Zakath> thanks m8
[11:28] <nefertati> i .m trying to install gnome-ppp but synaptic cant find it.
[11:28] <plovs> Kal_Zakath, how did you get bootsplash working?
[11:29] <Kal_Zakath> plovs : compiling my own patced kernel
[11:29] <Kal_Zakath> patched
[11:30] <volvoguy> Kal_Zakath: i have two logos and the color swatch in SVG. do you need any more than that?
[11:30] <plovs> Kal_Zakath, ok, too much work
[11:30] <Kal_Zakath> volvoguy : well, I think it's all I need, thanks :)
[11:30] <volvoguy> ok. brb.
[11:31] <Kal_Zakath> I brb too :)
[11:31] <plovs> nefertati, try to download http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/gnome-ppp and install it with sudo dpkg -i <name>
[11:32] <JonUbuntuNewbie> cheerio folks
[11:32] <bob2> virgin runs an ISP now?
[11:32] <volvoguy> Kal_Zakath: http://www.volvoguy.net/ubuntu/ubuntu_svg.tar.gz
[11:33] <volvoguy> plovs: is there some reason the SVG files didn't get moved to the new wiki?
[11:33] <plovs> nefertati, you might need wvdial as well
[11:33] <plovs> volvoguy, yes ... i am lazy
[11:33] <volvoguy> :-)
[11:34] <plovs> volvoguy, uploading pics is a pain
[11:34] <plovs> volvoguy, but feel free to do so
[11:34] <volvoguy> plovs: yeah... i noticed that.
[11:34] <Kal_Zakath> volvoguy : ok, thanks again
[11:35] <volvoguy> plovs: i'll see what i can do tomorrow. it's 5am here and i've been too busy chatting to get my work done. :-)
[11:35] <volvoguy> Kal_Zakath: you're welcome.
[11:35] <plovs> volvoguy, it would be great if you could repair http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuArtwork
[11:36] <plovs> volvoguy, ask on ubuntu-doc for help with ReST if you need it
[11:36] <plovs> volvoguy, i'm quite often there
[11:36] <bob2> rEstRuCTUreD tExT
[11:37] <plovs> bob2, ;)
[11:37] <Witigonen> Hey everyone.  What's the best way to install the iTouch package for XMMS?  Does that even work in Ubuntu and/or Gnome?
[11:38] <yann__> Witigonen: you could use acme, that is a gnome tool for multimedia keyboards, works like a charme for me
[11:39] <Witigonen> yann__, Oh, that's awesome, thanks.
[11:41] <Witigonen> Any recommended way of getting it?
[11:42] <volvoguy> plovs: sure. i'll take a look at it tomorrow. i need to sign off for now. i want to get your opinion about moving the user-created art over to the other page i made... but tomorrow. :-) have a good night everybody!
[11:42] <Gmail> yuck sf.net downgraded to fedora 2 from debian potato they cound of upgraded to ubuntu
[11:42] <plovs> volvoguy, see ya
[11:42] <smo> It's a step in the right direction
[11:42] <yann__> Witigonen: hmmm.. got to check in which src it is in
[11:42] <Witigonen> Also, is it possible to mount just a specific folder of a /dev device?
[11:43] <bob2> no
[11:43] <Witigonen> Hm, alright.
[11:43] <Witigonen> I guess I'll just make a link to that folder, then.
[11:43] <bob2> you mount whole devices
[11:43] <bob2> the kernel doesn't know whats on it until it's mounted
[11:43] <bob2> you can mount directories from one place to another, tho
[11:43] <Kal_Zakath> :(
[11:44] <Kal_Zakath> the logos I just got are screwed up
[11:44] <Witigonen> Wait, really?  That's amazing.  I'll do that.  Thanks, bob2.
[11:44] <bob2> so /mnt/music/nirvana could be mounted on /home/blah/ROCK
[11:44] <bob2> Witigonen: mount --bind /source/dir/ /destination/dir/
[11:45] <yann__> Witigonen: I think it is in universe
[11:47] <Witigonen> yann__, what's the specific package name, then?  A search for acme yields only a couple of unrelated perl things.
[11:47] <bob2> acme's gone
[11:47] <bob2> the gnome keybinding thing lets you do that now
[11:47] <bob2> but I doubt xmms listens to gnome
[11:48] <bob2> so you'll need some magic
[11:48] <Witigonen> bob2, I've never had success with xmms listening to gnome.  Volume controls work with that, though.
[11:48] <bob2> I used to bind my window manager to run "echo play | xmms-shell" when I hit some key combo
[11:48] <plovs> bob2, use pmount then you can mount as a user
[11:49] <bob2> plovs: hrm? with the bind mount thing?
[11:50] <superted> how can i solve stuff like this ? libartsc0 (>= 1.3.1)
[11:50] <Witigonen> Oh, curses.  I had to kill xine and now my sound card is taken.
[11:52] <plovs> bob2, i spoke too fast it is only for /dev/ ,to mount as user
[11:52] <bob2> right
[11:53] <Witigonen> Any idea why playing a DVD makes everything suddenly horrendously laggy?
[11:53] <Witigonen> This is with Xine... Totem can't play the DVD because I don't have the plugins for it.
[11:54] <Witigonen> libdvdcss2 is installed.
[11:54] <bob2> are you on an ibook by chance?
[11:54] <Witigonen> No, but I do have an ATI card.
[11:54] <Witigonen> I'm on a 3Ghz AMD processor.
[11:54] <bob2> odd
[11:55] <Witigonen> And fglrxinfo is reporting ATI drivers.
[11:56] <bob2> is it better if you get rid of them?
[11:56] <Witigonen> I haven't tried that.
[11:58] <Witigonen> brb.
[12:01] <Lowry> Does bug-buddy keep a log of past crash reports?
[12:05] <Witigonen> Okay, I need some help getting my sound working... XMMS when it plays mp3s just blazes through them (no, not using the DiskWriter plugin) and there aren't any system events at all, including login stuff.
[12:06] <Treenaks> Witigonen: could you paste the output of "lsmod | grep snd" to www.pastebin.com ?
[12:09] <Witigonen> http://pastebin.com/117595
[12:09] <Treenaks> Witigonen: what kind of machine is it?
[12:10] <Witigonen> Treenaks, i386.  Or do you want the detailed specs?
[12:10] <Treenaks> Witigonen: I mean, is it a laptop, or a desktop, etc.
[12:10] <Witigonen> Treenaks, desktop
[12:10] <Witigonen> Treenaks, it has a webcam with a microphone via USB plugged in.
[12:11] <Witigonen> Treenaks, but sound has been working before.
[12:11] <Treenaks> Witigonen: what if you reboot with the webcam unplugged, and only plug it in after booting?
[12:11] <Treenaks> does that fix it?
[12:11] <JStrike> Can I get Firefox to detect my Java installation?
[12:12] <Witigonen> Treenaks, let me try that.  brb.
[12:12] <Treenaks> JStrike: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:14] <JStrike> I have install Java already. That is not what I asked
[12:15] <Witigonen> Treenaks, that worked, thanks.  Strange that it was working before.
[12:15] <JStrike> I want to find out how to get Firefox to detect it
[12:15] <Treenaks> Witigonen: it has to do with the order of detection.. for some reason USB audio (from the webcam) is detected _before_ the audio on your mainboard
[12:15] <Witigonen> Treenaks, Okay.
[12:16] <Treenaks> I don't know of an easy way to fix this..
[12:16] <Witigonen> Er... uh-oh.  XMMS is still not playing mp3s.  Just skips through them.  It seems like gstreamer isn't installed... but it is.
[12:16] <Treenaks> xmms doesn't use gstreamer
[12:16] <Witigonen> Treenaks, I don't reboot that often, nor do I use the webcam that often.  So, it's not a big deal.
[12:16] <Treenaks> XMMS should use the ESD output plugin, probably
[12:16] <crimsun> JStrike: how did you install the plugin?
[12:16] <Witigonen> Well, xmms WAS playing mp3s about two reboots ago.  So strange!  I've tried OSS, alsa, and eSound and they all do the same thing.
[12:17] <JStrike> crimsun : What plugin?
[12:17] <crimsun> JStrike: ..Java?
[12:17] <JStrike> Is there a Java Plugin as well?
[12:17] <Matt|> mdz are you around?
[12:17] <Treenaks> JStrike: did you read the web page?
[12:17] <crimsun> JStrike: yes, that's what the web browser will use
[12:17] <Treenaks> Witigonen: XMMS should be in its default settings..
[12:18] <cenerentola> hi there
[12:18] <crimsun> hallo
[12:18] <JStrike> Treenaks : Yes
[12:18] <JStrike> I have Java installed already
[12:18] <Treenaks> JStrike: have you read the _entire_ page?
[12:18] <JStrike> Not the Java Plugin though
[12:18] <Treenaks> JStrike: it has a separate piece on installing it in ffox
[12:18] <crimsun> JStrike: ..but did you symlink the plugin?
[12:19] <Amaranth> So, on the 9th will someone be making firefox 1.0 packages?
[12:19] <JStrike> Treenaks : No it doesn't. It goes on to mention DVD, CSS, etc. Nothing about FFox
[12:19] <Matt|> is firefox 1 due out?
[12:19] <Matt|> cool
[12:19] <Amaranth> On the 9th, yeah.
[12:19] <Witigonen> hmm.
[12:20] <Treenaks> Matt|: tuesday, afaik
[12:20] <Witigonen> Why would XMMS be doing this?
[12:20] <Treenaks> Witigonen: uh, to annoy you? :P
[12:20] <Matt|> have you guys got the flash problem that i have?
[12:20] <Witigonen> Treenaks, well, of course!  Hehe.
[12:20] <Amaranth> I would have expected debian sid or ubuntu to have either 1.0PR or 1.0RC already, actually.
[12:20] <Matt|> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3302
[12:20] <Treenaks> Witigonen: try beep-media-player, it's a GTK2 version of xmms
[12:20] <Treenaks> Witigonen: basically
[12:20] <Amaranth> I guess everyone is just waiting for 1.0
[12:20] <JStrike> crimsun : Is there some info somewhere about getting it working?
[12:21] <Matt|> Amaranth, ubuntu warty will stick with 0.9.3
[12:21] <cenerentola> matt: with all our love... good morning
[12:21] <Matt|> cenerentola, buongiorno
[12:21] <Todd_MA_1975> Amaranth: Warty won't have 1.0 as they are only doing security fixes into it.  Hoary will probably have it.  Warty originally had the RC1 but they went back to 0.9.3 because of some serious bugs
[12:21] <JStrike> Treenaks : Are you sure you pointed me to the correct page?
[12:21] <Amaranth> that explains the weird version
[12:22] <Matt|> cenerentola, use my whole nick please so I can see your messages!
[12:22] <smo> JStrike: http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php  (linked from http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Java)
[12:22] <Treenaks> JStrike: yes, at the very bottom
[12:22] <Amaranth> 0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu3
[12:22] <Witigonen> Treenaks, beep works.
[12:22] <Treenaks> JStrike: actually, you'll need the /wiki/Java page
[12:22] <Amaranth> so hoary is like either testing or sid from debian?
[12:22] <Treenaks> JStrike: maybe I was one click ahead
[12:22] <crimsun> JStrike: you need a link from that page, which others have mentioned
[12:23] <Treenaks> Amaranth: at the moment, it feels like it, yes
[12:23] <JStrike> Treenaks : Dude, the final line is "mplayer-mozilla" in relation to getting video working with restricted formats
[12:23] <Todd_MA_1975> Amaranth: Exactly....
[12:23] <Treenaks> JStrike: then sorry, you should look at the bottom of the Java page (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java)
[12:23] <Amaranth> Are their packages for it already? Can I just change warty to hoary in sources.list?
[12:23] <crimsun> Matt|: yes, my installation exhibits similar problems.
[12:23] <JStrike> Ok. Thanks. Looking
[12:24] <Treenaks> Amaranth: you can, but it's horribly unsupported :)
[12:24] <Matt|> crimsun, its horrible huh?
[12:24] <crimsun> Matt|: if you have spare HD space on a fast machine, I suggest you build a debug version of mozilla-firefox
[12:24] <Matt|> Amaranth, i wouldn't recommend it yet
[12:24] <Amaranth> Treenaks: The day it gets Xorg I don't care how supported it is. :P
[12:24] <Witigonen> Treenaks, by uninstalling, removing the .xmms directory from ~/, and reinstalling xmms it now plays perfectly.
[12:24] <Matt|> crimsun, i don't know how :(
[12:24] <crimsun> Matt|: instructions are in the mozilla-firefox changelog
[12:24] <Amaranth> I know how to pick and choose packages from different versions.
[12:24] <Matt|> crimsun, maybe I can try
[12:24] <Amaranth> I just use ubuntu sources because of GNOME 2.8, mostly.
[12:24] <Treenaks> Witigonen: ok.. well, good luck then
[12:25] <Matt|> crimsun, i'm not much of a geek tho
[12:25] <cenerentola> matt| ... ok sorry
[12:25] <Matt|> cenerentola, np
[12:25] <crimsun> Matt|: I apologize, it seems my version of mozilla-firefox is from sid, not hoary.
[12:25] <JStrike> Treenaks : They dont mention Firefox. Are you refering to the "Method 5: Use java-virtual-machine-dummy" method?
[12:25] <Matt|> crimsun, i've never built a debian package in my life
[12:25] <JStrike> Must I do that over my installed copy
[12:25] <Treenaks> JStrike: no, the very bottom of that page says:
[12:25] <Amaranth> Matt|: Just get the installer from mozilla.org and install it into /opt
[12:26] <Amaranth> Matt|: That's what I did, works fine with flash.
[12:26] <Treenaks> Java in Firefox --eric spierings, Sat, 06 Nov 2004 09:05:49 +0000
[12:26] <Amaranth> Java isn't working, but I hate java on webpages anyway.
[12:26] <Treenaks> and then explains how to enable it
[12:26] <JStrike> I dont see that
[12:26] <Matt|> Amaranth, yeah i will: but i hope that ubuntu will be able to get it working
[12:26] <smo> JStrike: Quite literally "the very bottom" .. someone's tacked on a small note covering firefox's difference from the mozilla instructions
[12:26] <crimsun> Amaranth: if you installed into /opt, you probably need to symlink the Java plugin manually
[12:27] <JStrike> That is most certainly not there. The last line is "Or try one of these actions: AttachFile, DeletePage, LikePages, LocalSiteMap, RenamePage, SpellCheck"
[12:27] <Treenaks> JStrike: are you looking at wiki.ubuntu.com or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[12:27] <Treenaks> you should use the second one
[12:27] <Matt|> crimsun, so you think the bug should be submitted against sid, not ubuntu?
[12:28] <JStrike> Ah. I was looking at http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Java
[12:28] <crimsun> Matt|: more than likely
[12:28] <JStrike> Thanks Treenaks
[12:28] <crimsun> Matt|: I'll have to inspect more closely first
[12:28] <Matt|> ok
[12:28] <crimsun> I'll try installing 1.0RC2 somewhere
[12:29] <Amaranth> Treenaks: Cool, that worked.
[12:29] <BenZor> Uh, how do i enable SSH in ubuntu?
[12:29] <Amaranth> Xorg is in hoary?
[12:30] <Amaranth> BenZor: Install sshd.
[12:30] <Matt|> Amaranth, don't think so yet
[12:30] <BenZor> ah ok
[12:30] <Amaranth> Matt|: A bug is filed about it not upgrading cleanly.
[12:30] <crimsun> BenZor: the client or the server?
[12:30] <BenZor> "cant find pacakge sshd"
[12:30] <Amaranth> BenZor: Whoops, try ssh.
[12:30] <Amaranth> It installs the client and the server, iirc.
[12:30] <crimsun> BenZor: sudo apt-get install openssh-server  <-- if you want the server
[12:30] <BenZor> open ssh-server
[12:30] <BenZor> yeah, i just found it
[12:31] <Matt|> Amaranth, about xorg?
[12:31] <BenZor> is there an easy way to auto config samba :(
[12:31] <Treenaks> Matt|: end of the month, at the earliest (is what I heard)
[12:31] <Amaranth> Matt|: Yeah, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=431
[12:31] <crimsun> BenZor: just install it :)
[12:31] <BenZor> crimsun- apt-get install samba?
[12:31] <Matt|> Treenaks, heh I heard this weekend
[12:31] <crimsun> BenZor: pretty much
[12:32] <BenZor> now its rejecting my password :(
[12:32] <Matt|> Amaranth, that bug was submitted by the guy making the packages
[12:32] <thoreauputic> BenZor: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[12:33] <Witigonen> Oookay.. I'm on a very large network and on said network are many Windows computers that share many files that make me happy.  So.  samba.  How?
[12:33] <thoreauputic> Witigonen: ^^^^
[12:33] <Matt|> Amaranth, note the "reporter" and "assigned to" fields are the same
[12:33] <cardador> hello
[12:33] <Matt|> hi cardador
[12:34] <cardador> hi Matt|
[12:34] <Matt|> :(
[12:34] <cardador> coaster 0.1 is out. anyone was able to install it?
[12:35] <Amaranth> BenZor: If you want a nice network browser for samba check out either jags (GNOME) or komba2 (KDE)
[12:36] <cardador> Amaranth: nautilus works very well
[12:36] <Matt|> lol
[12:36] <Amaranth> Hmm, if cdrdao is defunct (can't be killed) and it using my cd burner is there any way of getting it to eject or am I SOL until I reboot?
[12:37] <Amaranth> Oh, hey, it just got wiped out by init.
[12:37] <Amaranth> Cool.
[12:38] <fsc> anybody know if there is a deb for wxWidgets2.5 out there?  this is gtk1.2 stuff is crap
[12:38] <Witigonen> thoreauputic, thanks.
[12:39] <BenZor> You guys rock
[12:39] <BenZor> #redhat is like "OMFG BUY SUPPORT U N00BZOR"
[12:39] <fsc> haha. rofl
[12:40] <Amaranth> fsc: libwxgtk2.4 uses GTK1.2?
[12:40] <Amaranth> Wow, no wonder my wxPython app looks like crap.
[12:41] <fsc> Amaranth, yep. and it looks like crap
[12:41] <Witigonen> So, I'm betting the answer to this is no, but is there any way to browse iTunes shared music?
[12:41] <BenZor> more themes are availiable in gnome-themes?
[12:41] <Amaranth> You can't make an iTunes Music Store interface that looks like that, it just isn't allowed.
[12:41] <Amaranth> Witigonen: On your local network?
[12:42] <Witigonen> Amaranth, yes.
[12:42] <thoreauputic> BenZor: gnome-themes-extras I think
[12:42] <fsc> we need a wxWidgets2.5 deb.  it's painful to look at gtk+1.2
[12:42] <yogeex> hi everyone. is there any way to get a graphical boot up screen? (as in the case of the live cd)
[12:42] <BenZor> avaialiable but is referred to buy another name
[12:42] <Amaranth> I doubt tunesbrowser is in apt, check out http://crazney.net/programs/itunes/tunesbrowser.html
[12:42] <BenZor> that has been obseleted..
[12:43] <daniels> tunesbrowser is not in apt, no
[12:43] <Amaranth> That man is a god.
[12:43] <daniels> i never packaged it for debian because it would have to go in non-free (apple mdns stuff)
[12:43] <daniels> so it'll have to go into restricted for ubuntu if/when I get to packaging it
[12:43] <thoreauputic> BenZor: apt-cache search gnome-thems maybe
[12:43] <thoreauputic> *gnome-themes
[12:43] <Amaranth> Without him and Jon Lech Johansen helping me out none of my work would be possible.
[12:43] <azeem> daniels: is mdns not an interface/protocol or something? Can't you use it with howl or os?
[12:44] <daniels> azeem: iirc he was looking at making it use howl, but he's been busy with uni exams and essays lately
[12:44] <azeem> ah, sounds promising at least :)
[12:44] <BenZ|iBook> oh, this comp is on irc too =p
[12:45] <Amaranth> daniels: You talk to him a lot?
[12:45] <mirak> there is an unresolved dependency with kcontrol
[12:45] <Amaranth> I haven't seen him since he figured out iTunes 4.5 and the channel we were talking it sort of died.
[12:45] <mirak> in universe
[12:45] <Amaranth> s/it/in/
[12:46] <daniels> Amaranth: yeah, I'm pretty good friends with him (he goes to the same uni as me)
[12:46] <Witigonen> Amaranth, thanks, I'm configuring/making now.
[12:46] <Amaranth> daniels: Tell him he needs to get his ass back online. :P
[12:46] <daniels> Amaranth: heh, he has been online (as recently as ~4h ago), but just not on that channel (#lhl?)
[12:46] <Amaranth> channel we hung out in was phpTunes
[12:47] <Amaranth> the name of my last attempt at the iTMS
[12:47] <daniels> ah
[12:47] <Amaranth> since then I've decided only a true renderer will be good enough
[12:47] <Amaranth> #phpTunes rather
[12:48] <Amaranth> whoa, xchat allows you to close the server tab and not be disconnected from the server
[12:49] <Witigonen> be back later, everyone.
[12:49] <Amaranth> daniels: Heh, everyone in that #lhl channel has been idle longer then crazney
[12:50] <daniels> heh
[12:51] <Amaranth> hmm, i wonder how much work it would be to put tunesbrowser functionality into RhythmBox
[12:51] <Amaranth> They both pretty much have the same interface.
[12:52] <Matt|> good idea cene|pappa
[12:52] <Matt|> Amaranth, yeah they do: nice idea
[12:52] <Amaranth> of course, it would probably take me less time to just duplicate RhythmBox in C# or Python :p
[12:53] <Amaranth> I'm horrible with C.
[12:53] <Matt|> i only know english
[12:54] <eim> Anyone configured a PcTel Windmodem on Ubuntu. Yesterday I had some troubles setting up such a device on kernel 2.6.8.
[12:55] <fsc> I need to update some global environment variables for all users.  where should i do that, /etc/.profile?
[12:55] <azeem> /etc/environment
[12:55] <thoreauputic> lose the dot
[12:55] <fsc> ok
[12:55] <fsc> environment or profile?
[12:57] <thoreauputic> hmmm... my /etc/environment has only LANG=en_GB
[12:57] <thoreauputic> fsc: what are you changing?
[12:58] <smo> /etc/profile is for "Bourne compatible shells" .. /etc/environment should be read by Xsession & co too
[12:58] <fsc> thoreauputic, PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[12:59] <BenZor> um, is there a codec pac for ubuntu?
[12:59] <fsc> i don't have an /etc/environment and yes I want this for Xsession too
[12:59] <Matt|> BenZor, w32codecs
[12:59] <thoreauputic> fsc: you can change PATH in /etc/profile
[12:59] <fsc> so I should create an /etc/environment then?
[12:59] <Matt|> BenZor, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[01:00] <BenZor> ok and i have nfi how to install them
[01:00] <thoreauputic> fsc: not sure of the LD_LIBRARY_PATH , sorry
[01:01] <Amaranth> LD_LIBRARY_PATH is a bash variable, so I would assume you need to put it in /etc/profile
[01:01] <thoreauputic> fsc: why not try it and see? you can comment it or delete it if it doesn't do as you expect
[01:01] <BenZor> and those are only for i386.. not fo powerpc..
[01:02] <Amaranth> BenZor: For ppc you are SOL unless an opensource plugin exists.
[01:02] <fsc> thoreauputic, well when i log into my desktop i want it for everything just not Bash shells
[01:02] <BenZor> Oh GOOD
[01:02] <Amaranth> Between RealPlayer (does it have ppc?), gstreamer, and mplayer the only things I can't play are wmv3 files.
[01:02] <BenZor> my new laptop should be here soon.
[01:02] <Matt|> lol
[01:03] <Amaranth> BenZor: I'll take the Mac. :P
[01:03] <thoreauputic> fsc: yes, but the PATH variable for instance applies to all X programs as well
[01:03] <BenZor> i wanted to play divx/xvid
[01:03] <Amaranth> Oh, those are available.
[01:03] <fsc> thoreauputic, yeah, that should work
[01:03] <Amaranth> try apt-cache search gstreamer-*
[01:03] <Matt|> BenZor, follow the guide on that website I think you will be ok
[01:03] <thoreauputic> fsc: give it a bash , as it were *grin*
[01:03] <BenZor> jeah, what am i looking for?
[01:03] <thoreauputic> fsc: sorry about the bad pun :)
[01:04] <Matt|> BenZor, last section
[01:04] <Amaranth> BenZor: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[01:04] <Matt|> BenZor, oh no sorry
[01:04] <Amaranth> claims to get them all, i guess its a metapackage
[01:04] <BenZor> "Not availiable, obsoleted, only available from another source"
[01:04] <BenZor> "no installation candidate"
[01:04] <Amaranth> heh
[01:04] <Amaranth> figures....
[01:04] <Matt|> BenZor, have you added universe?
[01:05] <BenZor> Matt|- how do i do that?
[01:05] <thoreauputic> fsc: to check the result just do a `source /etc/profile` (no need top restart)
[01:05] <thoreauputic> *to restart
[01:05] <Matt|> BenZor, edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:05] <Amaranth> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[01:05] <fsc> yeah
[01:05] <Amaranth> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[01:05] <Matt|> BenZor, uncomment the lines with universe in
[01:06] <BenZor> done
[01:06] <BenZor> now try again?
[01:06] <Amaranth> or maybe the ubuntu sources.list is different, i started with debian sid base install and added from there
[01:06] <Amaranth> BenZor: apt-get update first
[01:06] <Matt|> yup
[01:07] <Matt|> BenZor, or if you are using synaptic, hit refresh
[01:08] <BenZor> a whole lot of packages have unmet dependanceis
[01:09] <Matt|> oh
[01:10] <b_e_n_z> http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/software/2004/0411051105.asp?A=LIN&S=Open%20Source&O=FPT
[01:11] <b_e_n_z> what exactly is this outrage?
[01:11] <kensai> I'm so impatience to see XOrg in apt
[01:12] <bob2> it's really not that great
[01:12] <bob2> b_e_n_z: ?
[01:12] <Amaranth> the improved ati drivers are enough for me to want it
[01:12] <bob2> hm, true
[01:12] <Amaranth> i'm stuck with an ati radeon 7000 that ati doesn't want to support anymore
[01:13] <b_e_n_z> bob2: in that article, it says that someone in the debian community was outraged by unbuntu...
[01:13] <Amaranth> and large ammounts of work are being done on getting opensource drivers for the latest cards too
[01:13] <kensai> Amaranth: thats the price of owning ATI ;)
[01:13] <Amaranth> b_e_n_z: Some people in #debian didn't like it because they saw it as a fork.
[01:13] <daniels> your poor 7000 won't see much improvement, I'm afraid
[01:13] <daniels> pretty much the only thing done affecting r1xx has been mergedfb (so you can do overlays on dual-head) iirc
[01:13] <Matt|> Amaranth, me too
[01:13] <thoreauputic> b_e_n_z: also the comments about knoppix in the article are inaccurate
[01:13] <b_e_n_z> Amaranth: then what about knoppix and others?
[01:13] <bob2> kensai: nvidia is even worse
[01:13] <Matt|> daniels, my card is support now :) IGP 340M
[01:14] <bob2> kensai: no accelration at all, in fany of the free drivers
[01:14] <kensai> bob2: in what way?
[01:14] <Amaranth> daniels: bzFlag only shows every other character oh chat and such, if just that can get fixed I'll be happy.
[01:14] <Amaranth> s/oh/of/
[01:14] <kensai> bob2: I play every windows game better in Linux Nvidia has the best Linux support in a driver there is for Linux
[01:14] <thoreauputic> b_e_n_z: in fact even linspire has put stuff back into open source (nvu html editor for instance)
[01:14] <bob2> kensai: on intel
[01:15] <bob2> kensai: if you use a kernel version they support
[01:15] <bob2> kensai: for now
[01:15] <kensai> bob2: on AMD
[01:15] <bob2> kensai: amd, intel, samf diff
[01:15] <Amaranth> on x86
[01:15] <Amaranth> thats what he means
[01:15] <bob2> kensai: what happens when they stop updating it?
[01:15] <Amaranth> on ppc you are SOL
[01:15] <bob2> you'll be stick on an old crappy kernel
[01:15] <b_e_n_z> Amaranth: i was thinking more along the lines of... since ubuntu's developers were handpicked from debian, perhaps someone got upset when they were not "picked"
[01:15] <kensai> bob2: Why would they?
[01:15] <bob2> kensai: you think they will update drivers for your card forever?
[01:16] <Matt|> b_e_n_z, i didn't think that article was nasty: it looks quite complementary
[01:16] <kensai> bob2: nope just like it happens in windows
[01:16] <b_e_n_z> Matt|: yea, but i am just curious about that "outrage"
[01:16] <Amaranth> even if they did someone would make a module or something for the kernel to make it binary compatible with the last supported kernel for that driver
[01:16] <thoreauputic> Matt|: as I said, it has inaccuracies
[01:16] <Matt|> ;p
[01:16] <kensai> bob2: the current drivers are good enough to stay forever like that
[01:16] <bob2> kensai: erm, no
[01:17] <bob2> kensai: the current drivers will not work with new kernels
[01:17] <Amaranth> They don't even support all of OpenGL, afaik.
[01:17] <Amaranth> I know ATI doesn't with their drivers.
[01:17] <kensai> bob2: well they update everytime a new kernel comes out
[01:17] <Amaranth> Or didn't, at least.
[01:17] <bob2> kensai: I'm asking if you think they will do that forever
[01:17] <Amaranth> bob2: The kernel part of the driver is very small, I don't even think they need to update anything to make it run sometimes.
[01:18] <bob2> Amaranth: yes, but sometimes it breaks, like with 2.6.9
[01:18] <bob2> and it breaks on -mm every second week
[01:18] <Amaranth> Of course, once you recompile your kernel you need to reinstall the driver, which is a PITA.
[01:18] <kensai> bob2: well why wouldn't they? If they want to keep selling their cards they will?
[01:18] <Amaranth> Who uses -mm on a production machine? (not for testing/debugging)
[01:19] <b_e_n_z> Amaranth: gentoo users are usually insane, like they go for ck, love and other insane kernels
[01:19] <bob2> Amaranth: "breaks on -mm now" == "breaks in mainline next week"
[01:19] <bob2> ck is pretty sane
[01:19] <bob2> if a bit flakey
[01:20] <Amaranth> So when the Ubuntu CDs ship I'll have 10 of them show up at the place I used to live?
[01:20] <bob2> if you didn't update your address, yes
[01:20] <Amaranth> Doh, I don't have a forwarding address setup.
[01:20] <bob2> kensai: do any companies continue updating drivers for years after they've sold the hardware?
[01:20] <b_e_n_z> i think you only see ck shine if you are watching dvd, ripping dvd, compiling your 10000+ C++ code all at the same time...
[01:20] <Amaranth> ck is realtime?
[01:21] <bob2> I'm just trying to point out that "binary modules" are not the same as proper linux support in the long-term

[01:21] <bob2> Amaranth: when did you put in your order?
[01:21] <Kyaneos> hi
[01:22] <kensai> bob2: But nvidia has one driver that is general for every card so 6800 cards driver still gives a boost to geforece 2 cards
[01:23] <Amaranth> bob2: The day they got slashdotted. :P
[01:23] <bob2> which time? ;)
[01:23] <mercurus> hmm ... is there a GUI tool capable of burning to audio tools and compatible with kernel 2.6.8-1 included with Ubuntu ?
[01:23] <mercurus> *audio formats
[01:24] <bob2> k3b is the "best", sadly
[01:24] <Amaranth> bob2: The first time.
[01:24] <Amaranth> k3b is t3h suck :p
[01:24] <hOnAbY> hi to all
[01:24] <Amaranth> cdrdao keeps dieing on me
[01:24] <mercurus> bob2: I refuse to install the majority of KDE ...
[01:24] <hOnAbY> This is my first time here in this chat room
[01:24] <mercurus> in fact, I refuse to install qt.
[01:24] <bob2> mercurus: ok.
[01:24] <mercurus> so ... cdrecord it is :)
[01:25] <bob2> mp3burn works well
[01:25] <Amaranth> ok, address updated and number of CDs switched around
[01:25] <hOnAbY> heck... its been a long time since i've chatted on an IRC channel
[01:25] <Amaranth> 5 x86, 1 ppc, and 4 amd64
[01:25] <Matt|> xcdroast does it doesn't it?
[01:25] <bob2> tho I still use my el-dodgo shell script
[01:25] <mercurus> bob2: are there any plans to rectify it ? or should I be hassling GNOME developers for nautilus ?
[01:25] <Amaranth> i'm going to hand them out at my local LUG
[01:25] <bob2> mercurus: rectify what?
[01:25] <mercurus> bob2: the absence of a graphical tool that can burn audio (not data) cds
[01:25] <Amaranth> too bad there isn't a KDE theme that makes it use GTK
[01:26] <hOnAbY> i logged in cause i need help
[01:26] <Amaranth> the only way to make everything look the same is to use KDE and the gtk-qt engine
[01:26] <hOnAbY> any body here still using a dial-up connection?
[01:26] <bob2> mercurus: rhythmbox has support, I think
[01:26] <bob2> dunno how good it is
[01:26] <Matt|> only cvs
[01:26] <bob2> hOnAbY: I was
[01:26] <Amaranth> rhythmbox doesn't have cd burning
[01:26] <bob2> Matt|: ah
[01:26] <bob2> only in cvs apparently
[01:26] <Amaranth> its trying to be an iTunes clone, but it isn't there yet
[01:26] <Amaranth> yeah
[01:26] <bob2> itunes is a poor interface to clone, anyway
[01:26] <Matt|> xcdroast does audio burning i'm pretty sure
[01:26] <bob2> imho
[01:27] <bob2> so does gcombust
[01:27] <hOnAbY> hi bob2... i just have a question on how to optimize the dial-up connection in ubuntu...
[01:27] <mercurus> yes, but these are all GTK1.2 clients ... and most rely on 2.4.x kernels ...
[01:27] <bob2> "optimize"?
[01:27] <hOnAbY> actually, i'm a newbie in linux... but ubuntu seems to be a good distro to start with
[01:27] <mercurus> the absence of SCSI emulation makes them painful
[01:27] <bob2> mercurus: rely on 2.4? how so?
[01:27] <bob2> if they refuse to take a device name, they're buggy and broken
[01:28] <mercurus> bob2: scsi-emulation ... they try and setup their own devices
[01:28] <bob2> surely nothing is still that bad?
[01:28] <hOnAbY> yes... optimize...
[01:28] <bob2> ew
[01:28] <hOnAbY> my internet connection seems to be slower than when im using windows xp
[01:28] <bob2> hOnAbY: how do you mean?
[01:28] <mercurus> I'd rather have all gtk2 apps
[01:28] <mercurus> brb
[01:29] <hOnAbY> when im using windows, my speed is at least 45kbps
[01:29] <Matt|> hOnAbY, is it a winmodem?
[01:29] <hOnAbY> but when im using ubuntu, same modem and same internet connection, i cant even complete the speed test on www.bandwidthplace.com
[01:30] <hOnAbY> i dont really know what driver ubuntu is using... ppp0... ttys0 my modem is SupraExpess 56k
[01:30] <bob2> is it internal?
[01:31] <hOnAbY> i think it is using winmodem
[01:31] <hOnAbY> bob2: nope... external
[01:31] <thoreauputic> maybe change mtu with ifconfig?
[01:32] <hOnAbY> by the way, when i installed Red Hat 9 before... the speed is ok
[01:32] <zopi> Hi
[01:33] <zopi> is it possible to make a boot floppy ?
[01:33] <bob2> mkboot
[01:34] <zopi> ok
[01:34] <zopi> can I make it when I do the installation ?
[01:34] <hOnAbY> hi thoreauputic... how do i do that?
[01:34] <zopi> with busybox ?
[01:34] <d3niz> hi
[01:34] <hOnAbY> sorry, again. im a newbie.
[01:34] <d3niz> please do U know why gimp can't save ?
[01:34] <Amaranth> hOnAbY: man ifconfig?
[01:34] <Amaranth> I'm not being mean, I really don't know if that will work.
[01:34] <thoreauputic> h0nAby, for instance sudo ifconfig ppp0 mtu 576
[01:35] <bob2> zopi: what are you trying to do?
[01:35] <Lowry> Trying to play dvd's on a g3 powerbook - what will work better with the g3  xine, mplayer, vlc or ogle?
[01:35] <bob2> d3niz: is your disk full?
[01:35] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: just changd it here as above
[01:35] <d3niz> bob2 no 2.6% in use
[01:35] <d3niz> 26
[01:36] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: was 1500, now ifconfig says 576
[01:36] <zopi>  bob2 : try have a boot floppy to rescue
[01:36] <d3niz> Saving '/home/deniz/Desktop/gimp designs/aa' failed:Unknown file type
[01:36] <hOnAbY> ok... thanks, i'll give it a try...
[01:36] <bob2> d3niz: give it an extension
[01:36] <bob2> d3niz: aa.png or whatever
[01:37] <Amaranth> d3niz: Or choose a type from the dropdown list on the save dialog.
[01:37] <d3niz> beb2 thanks i forgot it this simple thing:S
[01:37] <hOnAbY> by the way, did you guys know that the Modem add on on the GNOME toolbar doesnt work when you use the Connect and Disconnect button?
[01:37] <d3niz> thanks :)
[01:38] <d3niz> I must goo now see U
[01:40] <hOnAbY> hi... just a followup question...
[01:40] <bob2> did that help?
[01:41] <hOnAbY> will the ifconfig mtu setting apply imediately... or do i have to disconnect and reconnect?
[01:41] <bob2> it will take effect immediately
[01:41] <bob2> if it has any effect at all
[01:42] <hOnAbY> ok... let me try the bandwidthplace again...
[01:44] <nefertati> i tryed to connect to internet with wvdial and says black listing what thsi means?
[01:45] <Amaranth> Hey, wtf, gmail is putting things on top of my scrollbar!
[01:45] <Amaranth> nefertati: Dunno, I waited until I got DSL to use linux, too many hassles with dialup.
[01:46] <bob2> diealup is easy
[01:46] <bob2> pppconfing.
[01:46] <bob2> pon
[01:46] <bob2> enjoy.
[01:46] <thoreauputic> bob2: she tried that - couldn't connect for some reason
[01:46] <nefertati> why? amaranth?
[01:47] <hOnAbY> now this is really a stupid question... but i'll ask anyway, what does the MTU does? what is the typical values that u guys use to assign your MTU? i know, windows optimizers uses that to speed up the internet connection... but what is it for?
[01:47] <bob2> oh, right
[01:47] <bob2> hOnAbY: it's t he "maximum transfer unit"
[01:47] <Amaranth> nefertati: My last expierence before DSL with Linux was trying to get a winmodem to work, it never once dialed.
[01:47] <Amaranth> Of course, these were the days of Redhat 5.0 being the latest and greatest distro.
[01:47] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: this isn't a winmodem though
[01:47] <bob2> it determines what size the "blocks" are that linux sends to your isp
[01:48] <nefertati> amaranth i dont have win modem. my modem dials but sometimes when i dila it says no dial tone or no carrier. i have to type alot of time wvdial to get connected .
[01:48] <Amaranth> nefertati: No idea, sorry.
[01:48] <hOnAbY> im from the philippines Amaranth... and yes I agree with your sentiment, but DSL is very expensive here in our country
[01:49] <bob2> thoreauputic: did pon/poff work better?
[01:49] <hOnAbY> ...and i think that having a slow internet connection should not be a hindrance to use Linux
[01:49] <nefertati> obo2 pon dotn work at all
[01:49] <bob2> ah
[01:49] <nefertati> bob2 dont work at all
[01:49] <Amaranth> hOnAbY: Compared to Japan and South Korea it's very expensive in the US too, but I know what you mean. :)
[01:49] <Amaranth> I'd almost be willing to move to japan just for the cheap 100mbps access.
[01:49] <thoreauputic> bob2: It's all a bit of a mystery
[01:49] <Amaranth> Imagine how much 'stuff' you could pull down a day on that. :D
[01:50] <nefertati> lol amaranth
[01:50] <thoreauputic> bob2: she discovered wvdial herself, I think after pppconfig failed
[01:50] <bob2> ah, cool
[01:50] <thoreauputic> bob2: she's a trier :)
[01:51] <bob2> hehe
[01:51] <thoreauputic> *tryer
[01:51] <Gmail> Amaranth: what am i doing?
[01:51] <zopi> bob2 : thanks
[01:51] <hOnAbY> lol
[01:51] <Amaranth> Gmail: hehe, the website
[01:51] <bob2> Gmail: change your nick
[01:51] <bob2> being named after a webmail service is annoying and silly
[01:51] <hOnAbY> well... i guess, the mtu settings did not do me any good...
[01:51] <nefertati> bob2 i managed to conenct with wvdial. but i have to type wvdial many times to manage to get connected because it says all the time no dial tone and no carrier.then it says black listing.
[01:52] <Amaranth> ooh, bob2 can enforce that too, watch out
[01:52] <hOnAbY> the test result still failed... The test key was not accepted
[01:52] <hOnAbY> test timeout
[01:52] <bob2> Amaranth: no
[01:52] <hOnAbY> by the way, what was the default mtu settings? i just want to put it back
[01:52] <Amaranth> bob2: Well, you can't make him change his nick but you can make him leave if he doesn't.
[01:52] <thoreauputic> hOnAbY: but what download speeds are you getting with, say, apt-get update or something ?
[01:52] <bob2> Amaranth: that's really never going to happen
[01:52] <Amaranth> Unless access 20 isn't op in this channel.
[01:53] <bob2> hOnAbY: 1500
[01:53] <Gmail> bob2: change your nick
[01:53] <bob2> Gmail: no
[01:53] <Gmail> bob2: no
[01:53] <niroht> so with the binary ati drivers.. how do you export to the tv?
[01:53] <Amaranth> Gmail: You work for Google in AUS?
[01:53] <bob2> Amaranth: no, he does not
[01:53] <Gmail> Amaranth: Yes****
[01:54] <bob2> Gmail: my nick is a) unique, b) not named after a website, b) not confusing, c) not annoying, d) not designed to avoid bans
[01:54] <bob2> Gmail: please stop lying
[01:54] <hOnAbY> i just use the network-admin on the ubuntu computer/system configuration menu
[01:54] <hOnAbY> ...to connect
[01:54] <hOnAbY> but i fount out that it uses wvdial too
[01:54] <hOnAbY> since it saves the settings on the wvdial.conf
[01:54] <Matt|> it's not much of a ban if he can just change his nick to avoid it :)
[01:55] <bob2> it wasn't in here, and he used host cloaks to evade it, too
[01:55] <Gmail> bob2: i am only banned from a few channels and they are #debian* and #cpgnuke my nick doesn't avid any of there bans
[01:55] <Matt|> oh i c
[01:55] <Gmail> Matt|: cloacks don't avid bans its called changing isps
[01:56] <bob2> Gmail: it's still pointlessly confusing, since you have nothing to do with Google
[01:56] <hOnAbY> hmmm... guys... did any of you noticed my question about the default MTU settings?
[01:56] <Amaranth> I didn't know you could get a cloak set as a user of something.
[01:56] <bob2> hOnAbY: I answered, 1500, probably
[01:56] <Gmail> bob2: yes i do my uncul is friends with the CEO
[01:56] <bob2> Amaranth: projects can get project-specific cloak
[01:57] <bob2> Gmail: even if that is true, *you* still have nothing to do with google
[01:57] <hOnAbY> bob2: oh... sorry, didn't notice... thanks a lot for your help guys
[01:57] <BenZ|iBook> guys you made my laptop run so much better, thanks heaps =D
[01:57] <Amaranth> bob2: Yeah, I had an osi hosting one. But I thought you could only get them if you were a dev.
[01:57] <niroht> no ati export->tv thoughts?
[01:57] <bob2> hOnAbY: sorry we couldn't find a complete answer for you
[01:57] <hOnAbY> no problem...
[01:57] <spektr> I just installed warty and upgraded nv to the proprietary nvidia 6111 driver. It works, but now my system freezes after few minutes. Nvidia released driver version 6629 two days ago. Will it ever enter warty-restricted? Or what is the best way to upgrade to this version?
[01:58] <bob2> spektr: no, it won't, but it will presumably go into hoary soon
[01:58] <bob2> niroht: #ati might be a better place to try
[01:58] <hOnAbY> i guess, the problem really is I need a to have a faster internet connection.. eg. DSL or CABLE
[01:58] <niroht> ok
[01:58] <bob2> hOnAbY: do things like apt or wget work at the speed you expect?
[01:58] <spektr> bob2: But hoary will be released in april - that's a long time...
[01:59] <bob2> spektr: yes
[01:59] <bob2> spektr: if you want to help debug hoary, you can use it now
[01:59] <hOnAbY> nope... thats why i wanted to speed up my connection... i want to update the packages
[01:59] <the> hi
[01:59] <bob2> but randomly updating packages in stable defeats the point of freezing
[01:59] <hOnAbY> my current synaptic listings says i need to download 33MB worth of packages
[02:00] <hOnAbY> and i cant leave my internet connection open since i only have one phone line, and i usually get emergency calls from the office
[02:00] <spektr> bob2: Err... I tried warty because I was too lazy to debug sarge. ;-)
[02:00] <bob2> hOnAbY: can you do it overnight or something?
[02:00] <the_one> hi again
[02:00] <bob2> hOnAbY: you can still order an ubuntu cd if you like
[02:02] <hOnAbY> bob2: i guess i can... and im planning to do it tonight... im just worried that it will take more than the whole evening.
[02:02] <hOnAbY> bob2: 500kb download takes about 1 hour to complete
[02:02] <hOnAbY> sorry im exagerrating... 500kb took about 30 minutes
[02:02] <bob2> wow, that is very slow
[02:02] <the_one> I need some help with reconfiguring my fstab, somehow after I installed k3b while trying to set permissions for cdrecord and cdrdao I messed up my ubuntu so much that I couldn't logon anymore, now I reinstalled, and I'm not sure what I'm doing in fstab, just can't seem to get my ntfs partitions to show up
[02:03] <Amaranth> Isn't the Ubuntu installer the exact same as the Sarge one?
[02:03] <hOnAbY> bob2: yup... that what I meant when i say i need to optimize my modem connection
[02:03] <bob2> Amaranth: no
[02:03] <Gmail> Amaranth: no
[02:03] <the_one> what is the command for unmount?
[02:03] <polytan> salut
[02:03] <bob2> the_one: /dev/whatever /mnt/whataver ntfs umask=002 0 0
[02:04] <bob2> the_one: umount
[02:04] <the_one> ok
[02:04] <hOnAbY> its soooo slooow
[02:04] <Gmail> Amaranth: the boths use d-i but are set up in diffrent ways
[02:04] <the_one> what is the logical drive's ID? hda5?
[02:04] <hOnAbY> when i used Red Hat 9 the speed was ok... almost the same as the speed im getting when im on windows
[02:04] <bob2> the_one: you'd have to find out for yourself
[02:04] <bob2> the_one: "fdisk -l /dev/hda" will help
[02:04] <bob2> hOnAbY: please file a bug
[02:05] <Gmail> hOnAbY: red hat makes linux slower than winbloat 0_0 0_0
[02:05] <hOnAbY> thats why i was asking you guys... cause it might have something to do with either Debian or Ubuntu's default settings
[02:05] <the_one> bob2: thanks for the suggestion, will try them right now
[02:06] <daniels> Gmail: dude, enough with the red hat/OMG M$ bashing please
[02:06] <hOnAbY> Gmail: i know... it was really a bad choice for a newbie like me
[02:07] <hOnAbY> bob2: yup i will file a bug report. I just wanted to make sure that it is really a problem u know.
[02:07] <mirak> how to obtain broken packets with synaptic ?
[02:07] <bob2> hOnAbY: cool, thanks a lot :)
[02:07] <bob2> mirak: you mean fix?
[02:07] <Gmail> hOnAbY: yea more n00bs need to know that
[02:08] <Gmail> daniels: i am saying facts based on what other people are saying
[02:08] <the_one> bob2: is there any way to get write access on the ntfs partition?
[02:08] <bob2> Gmail: please stop it
[02:08] <mirak> bob2: I manage to do it with apt but not with synaptic
[02:08] <bob2> the_one: no
[02:08] <mirak> bob2: there is a problem with kcontrol
[02:08] <bob2> the_one: well, yes, called "captive ntfs"
[02:08] <mirak> it won't install
[02:08] <the_one> is it easy to set up?
[02:09] <bob2> the_one: but it's a naaaaasty hack, and if it breaks you get to keep both pieces
[02:09] <hOnAbY> but aside from the bad internet connection... i really like UBUNTU!!!
[02:09] <bob2> it apparently works pretty well, which is disturbing
[02:09] <bob2> I don't know
[02:09] <bob2> mirak: I don't know, I don't use any kde stuff
[02:09] <the_one> bob2: could it hurt the data on the ntfs partition?
[02:09] <daniels> Gmail: 'red hat makes linux slower than winbloat'
[02:09] <hOnAbY> ok, again thanks for all your help guys! specially bob2, thoreauputic and Amaranth
[02:09] <mirak> bob2: I can't find a descente gnome mp3 player
[02:09] <bob2> the_one: they claim not
[02:09] <daniels> Gmail: just ease up on the red hat/microsoft bashing, yeah?
[02:10] <bob2> the_one: it works by loading the windows ntfs driver into the linux kernel
[02:10] <thoreauputic> hOnAbY: you're welcome :)
[02:10] <the_one> bob2: who is they?
[02:10] <bob2> the_one: so I'd say it's more likely to explode and crash the machine than actually damage data.
[02:10] <bob2> the_one: the author, I guess
[02:10] <bob2> I've only heard of it, never used it
[02:10] <bob2> mirak: I use cplay...rhythmbox is a bit crashy, but not too bad
[02:10] <the_one> I guess I have to google for it
[02:11] <mirak> bob2: rythmbox won't load half my mp3
[02:11] <Amaranth> btw, pigeon looks nice for cd burning software
[02:11] <bob2> the_one: yeah
[02:11] <bob2> mirak: ouch
[02:11] <bob2> mirak: do you have any .jpg files in your music directory?
[02:11] <bob2> weirdly, that causes problems for some people
[02:12] <Amaranth> only problems i've ever had with rhythmbox have actually been gstreamer issues
[02:12] <Amaranth> like the time i accidently wiped out my home dir and had to redo everything :/
[02:13] <hOnAbY> by the way, is there an xmms skin to match the Human theme?
[02:14] <mirak> bob2: I guess yees
[02:15] <hOnAbY> ooops... dont answer that, i already found one... just wish me luck on the download speed... hehehe... :D
[02:15] <hOnAbY> see you all guys... thanks for the help again
[02:15] <hOnAbY> bye
[02:15] <bob2> hOnAbY: don't think so
[02:15] <mirak> Amaranth: recently I add luck about that
[02:15] <mirak> Amaranth: I did rm -fr * sometinhg/*
[02:15] <mirak> Amaranth: in my homedir
[02:16] <mirak> and I was able to cancel before it destroyed important folders
[02:17] <shank_> bob2, ubuntu still goes smoothly here :-)
[02:17] <bob2> hah, cool
[02:18] <shank_> mirak, did you get your sounds issues figured out?
[02:18] <mirak> shank_: yes
[02:19] <shank_> mirak, what was the problem?
[02:19] <mirak> shank_: OSS and alsa where both loaded
[02:19] <shank_> mmm? specifically the emu10k1 drivers for oss and alsa?
[02:19] <mirak> shank_: removing the OSS module was a pain. There was even circular dependency between modules or something
[02:19] <mirak> shank_: for oss
[02:19] <mirak> shank_: snd_emu10k1 is for alsa
[02:19] <shank_> mirak, sounds awful
[02:20] <shank_> mirak, i know :-)
[02:20] <mirak> I didn't :)
[02:20] <shank_> mirak,hehe
[02:20] <shank_> all snd_* stuff is for alsa
[02:20] <shank_> mirak, how did the emu10k1 OSS drivers get installed?
[02:20] <mirak> so my forst move was to force the load of emuk10k1 in /etc/modules
[02:20] <mirak> shank_: I think I installed soma package that installed the module in the libs
[02:20] <Treenaks> shank_: you don't want them, the ALSA drivers are better, and OSS isn't really much supported
[02:21] <mirak> then hotplug or the kernel choosed this one first
[02:21] <bob2> that is very very odd
[02:21] <bob2> I have a emu10k1, and I only have alsa loaded
[02:21] <shank_> Treenaks, i know, but thanks for the info
[02:21] <bob2> Treenaks: the oss emu10k1 driver is pretty pimp compared to the alsa one
[02:21] <mirak> the management of modules is really crappy in linux kernel
[02:21] <shank_> Treenaks, have some experience with sound stuff
[02:21] <citybird> how is wireless under ubuntu?
[02:21] <bob2> Treenaks: and it supports multi-opening, so dmix etc doesn't help
[02:21] <bob2> mirak: it's not the kernels fault
[02:21] <mirak> the kernel just choose the first he find
[02:22] <bob2> mirak: no, hotplug does
[02:22] <Treenaks> bob2: the ALSA api is just that bit nicer for the things the 10k1 can do
[02:22] <mirak> for the hardware
[02:22] <citybird> and does it support reiser4 yet?
[02:22] <Lowry> night all
[02:22] <bob2> mirak: if you blacklist emu10k1, it shouldn't be loaded
[02:22] <shank_> mirak, ah
[02:22] <bob2> citybird: wireless is excellent for supported cards
[02:22] <mirak> bob2: it's blacklisted
[02:22] <bob2> citybird: hahahaha
[02:22] <bob2> citybird: reiser4 isn't even in linus's kernel yet
[02:22] <spektr> How do I access the parts of a gnome window that is larger than the screen (vertically). I can grab it using the alt-key, but I can't move the top side outside the screen. (I'm a long time KDE user & gnome n00b....)
[02:23] <mirak> bob2: I had problems on a macintosh, the load of some module was inverting the drives, so I was obliged to rebuild kernel without some modules, or something
[02:23] <citybird> bob2: can i use it after a custom kernel compile? it's in the mm sources
[02:23] <bob2> citybird: sure...
[02:23] <bob2> citybird: just out of curiousty, do you use gentoo?
[02:23] <bob2> mirak: that is very very weird, please file a bug :)
[02:23] <citybird> bob2: yea, but the wireless support sucks right now.
[02:24] <mirak> spektr: unrezisable windows are really a huge crap. I encountered this problem in kde many times
[02:24] <citybird> bob2: and i want to play with gnome2.8
[02:24] <Amaranth> citybird: To use a lot of cards you have to use that program that runs a Windows driver.
[02:24] <Amaranth> I think it's called Project Evil
[02:24] <shank_> people who file bug reports ++
[02:25] <Treenaks> Amaranth: ndiswrapper
[02:25] <mirak> bob2: I think they know. In fact on debian ppc, the dist-upgrade doesn't touch the kernel configuration at all. You really can end easily with a system that won't bout at all
[02:25] <Amaranth> oh
[02:25] <Amaranth> Project Evil must have been a nickname
[02:25] <bob2> Amaranth: there's reasonably few cards that need it nowadays
[02:25] <citybird> bob2: i have a netgear wg511, support built into the kernel
[02:25] <bob2> mirak: hm, that is true
[02:25] <Treenaks> Amaranth: project evil is for freebsd, according to google
[02:25] <Amaranth> ah
[02:25] <bob2> mirak: but if you're not sure that it's a known issue (the first thing), please file a bug
[02:25] <cardador> coaster 0.1 is out. anyone was able to install it?
[02:26] <citybird> if ubuntu doesn't work i am going to go out and buy another card.
[02:26] <bob2> citybird: is htat a prism card?
[02:26] <bob2> or prism54?
[02:26] <citybird> right
[02:26] <bob2> ubuntu supports both
[02:26] <bob2> so it shouldwork
[02:27] <citybird> i hope so. ill let you know after it's installed
[02:27] <spektr> mirak: thanks for the word "resize" - I realized that I can resize the window using the window-menu.
[02:28] <mirak> anyone know how I can keep my mozilla thunderbird settings from the other distro I was using
[02:28] <mirak> I don't know why they are doing this crap thing in mozilla
[02:30] <atomic0x> can anybody help me figure out an initrd problem?
[02:30] <bob2> mirak: you should be able to just copy them
[02:31] <mirak> bob2: where ?
[02:31] <mirak> I use the same home folder
[02:31] <bob2> is the same version of thunderbird?
[02:31] <atomic0x> I used mkinitrd to build a new one for 2.6.10-rc1 and when I boot i get the following messages:
[02:33] <atomic0x> http://www.pastebin.com/117618
[02:33] <dargo> hi
[02:34] <mirak> bob2: yes
[02:34] <mirak> bob2: I already had this problem with thunderbird
[02:35] <Jeffrey> atomic, looks like you don't have the right filesystem modules in your initrd.  You could just cheat and compile them into the kernel instead of as modules.
[02:35] <dargo> i have a problem with grub , i can't boot windowsXP
[02:36] <cardador> dargo: what happens exactly?
[02:36] <Jeffrey> why is that a problem ....
[02:37] <citybird> heh, some people need the security of a dual boot solution Jeffrey. the are not really ready to let go yet.
[02:37] <dargo> when I select windows for boot the console not reponse
[02:37] <dargo> my idea is uninstall grub and install lilo
[02:37] <cardador> dargo: no
[02:38] <dargo> no?
[02:38] <cardador> dargo: try this - go to your pc bios and change the hard disk geometry from AUTO to LBA
[02:38] <eim> Is GNOME revelation not available in universe? It's a GNOME based password manager, very useful.
[02:38] <mjr> a newer driver might fix that need
[02:39] <dargo> where is that?
[02:39] <cardador> dargo: reboot your pc and press DEL (normally its like this)
[02:39] <dargo> ok
[02:39] <atomic0x> Jeffrey:  I mounted the initrd and checked it out.  I've got ext3 which is what my root partition is.  Do I need cramfs as well?  I think that's what the initrd image is
[02:39] <dargo> thanks I'm goint to prove
[02:40] <dargo> one moment :P
[02:40] <cardador> dargo: good luck
[02:40] <Todd_MA_1975> eim: revelation is in universe.  I have it installed & working
[02:40] <jorisK> hello everyone, is there anyone that can recommend me an cd-r record program that allows me to record audio cd's? The built-in in Ubuntu only writes files...
[02:40] <Jeffrey> atomic, is the initrd specified correcly in grub?
[02:40] <cardador> jorisK: k3b
[02:41] <Amaranth> jorisK: I've never used it but Pigeon CD Recorder looks very nice.
[02:41] <atomic0x> Jeffrey: yeah the image name is specified correctly using grubs initrd parameter
[02:41] <citybird> ubuntu only makes 2 partitions?????
[02:41] <Amaranth> jorisK: And it's meant for GNOME, unlike k3b.
[02:41] <bob2> citybird: by default
[02:41] <Amaranth> citybird: sarge only makes 3
[02:41] <bob2> citybird: why do you want more?
[02:41] <citybird> hurm
[02:42] <Amaranth> I can understand having /boot seperate/
[02:42] <bob2> citybird: if tou want more, make them
[02:42] <Jeffrey> atomic0x: *shrug* not much to go on.
[02:42] <citybird> i will :-)
[02:42] <Amaranth> That way it can't be messed with unless you mount it.
[02:42] <citybird> i know. that's why i make it seperate
[02:42] <Todd_MA_1975> eim: OK - maybe revelation is only in Hoary universe.  I don't see it on my warty box.
[02:42] <Jeffrey> having home seperate is a good idea too
[02:42] <atomic0x> Jeffrey: thanks for your help anyways.
[02:42] <bob2>  seperate /boot is kinda pointless
[02:42] <zenwhen> indeed
[02:43] <Amaranth> bob2: How so?
[02:43] <Matt|> my cdburner is not detected by xcdroast!!! does anyone know what I can do?
[02:43] <eim> Todd_MA_1975: What about gpass?
[02:43] <zenwhen> in fact there is NO good reason to have a seperate /boot
[02:43] <Amaranth> Matt|: Use another cd burner.
[02:43] <bob2> Matt|: use a less buggy program
[02:43] <atomic0x> matt: ide-scsi=hdx
[02:43] <bob2> Amaranth: lilo and grub can boot anywhere on modern disks
[02:43] <Matt|> atomic0x, where do i put that?
[02:43] <Amaranth> xcdroast was meant for 2.4.x kernels
[02:43] <Jeffrey> speaking of universes, is there a list of all the ubuntu debian servers somewhere?
[02:43] <zenwhen> its not like your kernel is going to explode and catch your data on fire
[02:43] <thoreauputic> atomic0x: not in 2.6.* kernels
[02:43] <Matt|> Amaranth, bob2, i like xcdroast :)
[02:43] <bob2> Amaranth: so there's no need to have a partition close to the front
[02:43] <bob2> Jeffrey: you mean ubuntu mirrors?
[02:44] <Jeffrey> zenwhen: if you're running multiple distros having a seperate boot helps
[02:44] <Jeffrey> bob2: yes
[02:44] <zenwhen> How so?
[02:44] <Jeffrey> sorry, just started playing with ubuntu last night
[02:44] <legba> you don't have to worry about the MBR
[02:44] <atomic0x> Matt: add ide-scsi=/dev/hd(whatever) to your kernel's boot parameters.  make sure scsi emuluation and scsi cdrom is enabled in your kernel
[02:44] <Matt|> thoreauputic, Amaranth, i have used xcdroast happily with the <IP_ADDRESS> kernel in the past
[02:44] <Amaranth> Can they all use the same kernel?
[02:44] <Matt|> atomic0x, thanks
[02:44] <zenwhen> I have lilo installed in my MBR and just poot my kernels for ubuntu in the /booyt for my slackware install
[02:44] <Jeffrey> zenwhen: you can put all of your kernels on one boot partition and not have them mounted
[02:44] <zenwhen> put*
[02:44] <bob2> Jeffrey: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[02:45] <Jeffrey> so when your autoupdate screws with your boot, you can copy stuff from the local /boot to your real boot partition
[02:45] <thoreauputic> Matt|: yeas - I meant ide-scsi=hdx is not used for 2.6 kernels
[02:45] <zenwhen> If auto update screws my boot, I just fix it.
[02:45] <Matt|> thoreauputic, but, "enable scsi-emulation" is an option under the ubuntu boot-admin program??
[02:45] <zenwhen> I dont need to cut off a chunk of my hard drive to do that.
[02:45] <bob2> no
[02:45] <zenwhen> lol
[02:46] <bob2> Matt|: enabling scsi-emulation has other consequences
[02:46] <Todd_MA_1975> eim: not in Warty or Hoary...Only thing I see in Warty is fpm
[02:46] <Jeffrey> zenwhen: the 100 mb out of my 60 gb harddrive is a small sacrifice
[02:46] <Matt|> bob2, ah i c
[02:46] <bob2> Matt|: I'd strongly recommend using a better program that doesn't have this bug
[02:46] <thoreauputic> Matt|: *shrug* I only know what I read about scsi emulation being deprecated in 2.6.*
[02:46] <bob2> one of the consequences is that it might not work at all
[02:46] <zenwhen> Jeffrey, im not willing to sacrifice anything for somehting that grant ms no concievable gain. Im not saying you shouldnt. Im saying I see no reason.
[02:46] <bob2> since no one is maintaining the 2.6 ide-scsi stuff
[02:47] <Matt|> bob2, I can try other programs. But at the same time, I know that I have used xcdroast happily on this PC with the same kernel on another distro
[02:47] <zenwhen> lol
[02:47] <Matt|> bob2, maybe there is another solution
[02:47] <bob2> Matt|: well, I would assume it's possible to configure xcdroast to use an ide device
[02:47] <zenwhen> I cannot type this morning.
[02:48] <Matt|> bob2, ok i have been able to manually add the drive :)
[02:48] <Matt|> bob2, how are you today btw/
[02:48] <bob2> ah, cool
[02:48] <Matt|> ?
[02:48] <citybird> under the partitioning tool where is the option to make a partition swap???
[02:48] <Jeffrey> bob2: those are the isos, what about repositories for more software?  There seems to be a lot missing
[02:48] <bob2> Matt|: I'm good thanks, ho'ws life?
[02:48] <Matt|> bob2, fine :)
[02:49] <bob2> Jeffrey: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive
[02:49] <zenwhen> Jeffrey, you coulc always add the debian unstable repos
[02:49] <zenwhen> :)
[02:49] <Jeffrey> thanks
[02:49] <zenwhen> could*
[02:49] <eim> Todd_MA_1975: And gringotts.
[02:49] <Jeffrey> zenwhen, then I'd have to ask where those are.  So far I've only been using redhat and gentoo.
[02:49] <zenwhen> Eventually I'll be running Debian unstable if I keep installing packages from it though.
[02:49] <Jeffrey> I love gentoo, but I am looking into Ubuntu to install for my parents.
[02:50] <Matt|> Jeffrey, good on ya
[02:50] <bob2> zenwhen: please don't advise people to do that
[02:50] <mirak> anyone know how to import a thunderbird profile from a new install ?
[02:50] <zenwhen> bob2, oh. Well the Ubuntu repos are severely lacking.
[02:50] <atomic0x> Jeffrey I used to use gentoo all the time, but I switched about a month ago and haven't looked back since
[02:50] <thoreauputic> Jeffrey: less /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:51] <zenwhen> Once I can install the software I need form them, I'll install hoary and use them.
[02:51] <zenwhen> from*
[02:51] <bob2> zenwhen: in what sense?
[02:51] <zenwhen> Outdated software and far less choice.
[02:51] <bob2> "outdated"?!?!
[02:51] <bob2> universe froze in june
[02:51] <legba> lol
[02:52] <zenwhen> I saw quite a few packages
[02:52] <zenwhen> that were older than what was in unstable
[02:52] <bob2> yes
[02:52] <bob2> shockingly
[02:52] <legba> openssh...
[02:52] <citybird> nm, found it
[02:52] <zenwhen> Not acceptable for me. Im not saying everyone should.
[02:52] <Jeffrey> whats the difference then between universe and multiverse?
[02:52] <zenwhen> Ubuntu is great.
[02:52] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: How awful! How old ! June?
[02:52] <legba> ubuntu is incredible.
[02:52] <[Miles] > hi
[02:52] <bob2> Jeffrey: universe is free software, multiverse may not be
[02:53] <zenwhen> Im not knocking ubuntu at all. Im just saying I cant run outdate software. It makes me feel dirty.
[02:53] <zenwhen> outdated*
[02:53] <citybird> i will pass jugement as soon as it's installed. so far the partitioning tool is very simple. (only lacking the option for reiser4 ;-)
[02:53] <[Miles] > ubuntu does not detect my isa sound blaster card, any url to get help?
[02:53] <bob2> well, that's a personal issue, I guess
[02:53] <zenwhen> lol.
[02:53] <bob2> [Miles] : try asking on the list
[02:53] <zenwhen> Ubuntu doesnt seem to have any ssues having a little Debian tossed in.
[02:54] <zenwhen> Im not going to ask anyone to support it.
[02:54] <zenwhen> lol
[02:54] <bob2> good
[02:54] <bob2> and please don't advise random people to do that, unless you warn them that they're on their own
[02:54] <[Miles] > bob2: on the ,ailing list?
[02:54] <citybird> the install disk did not detect my pcmcia network card. something that should be ok after the install is complete?
[02:54] <[Miles] > mailing
[02:54] <bob2> citybird: it should have
[02:54] <zenwhen> I dont need support. Theres nothing a reinstall wont fix.
[02:54] <zenwhen> XD
[02:54] <bob2> [Miles] : lists.ubunut.com
[02:54] <[Miles] > thanks
[02:54] <Jeffrey> thoreauputic, thanks.  I was trying to do stuff graphically (to make sure my parents could use it), didn't think to check the file.  duh.
[02:55] <bob2> zenwhen: yes, you can do whatever you want, but please don't advise newbies to do so
[02:55] <citybird> bob2: i guess it thinks my dhcp server is slow.
[02:55] <bob2> Jeffrey: synaptic has options for editing the sources.list
[02:55] <zenwhen> bob2, understood.
[02:55] <zenwhen> :)
[02:55] <bob2> thanks :-)
[02:55] <citybird> holy! i just saw it install the reiser4 progs??
[02:56] <Jeffrey> bob2: for editing it yes, but it doesn't have nicely commented out available respositories
[02:56] <citybird> time to google >-)
[02:56] <legba> ubuntu just killed my ssh dsa key...
[02:56] <bob2> how?
[02:57] <legba> you tell me lmao
[02:57] <bob2> the one in /etc/ will be nuked by install, and nothing should touch ~/
[02:57] <legba> the later is gone
[02:57] <bob2> did you ask ubuntu to format ~??
[02:57] <legba> and it's all the way in the other room
[02:57] <legba> lol
[02:57] <legba> nope
[02:57] <legba> i installed full gnome desktop
[02:57] <legba> then restart x
[02:58] <legba> and bam - no ssh no vnc
[02:58] <bob2> are you guys really "laughing out loud"?
[02:58] <labanux> hi..., is there some one can help me
[02:58] <Jeffrey> my girlfriend: "your hair looks like that one guys ... bruce presley"
[02:58] <legba> i am :)
[02:58] <legba> cause i'm testing this distro
[02:58] <labanux> i have an error message when booting the ubuntu
[02:58] <Jeffrey> next question, .OGM and .MKV support in xine/totem?
[02:58] <labanux> the error message are telling about : shpchp and pcichp
[02:58] <Treenaks> Jeffrey: depends on the codec used inside
[02:59] <labanux> what's wrong in my ubuntu?
[02:59] <Jeffrey> Treenaks, assuming xvid
[02:59] <Treenaks> Jeffrey: not by default, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:59] <bob2> labanux: ignore them
[02:59] <bob2> labanux: they're harmless
[03:00] <Matt|> "the ubuntu"
[03:00] <Matt|> awesome
[03:00] <labanux> my friend said that the error message about shpchp and pcichp is for controlling hte usb..
[03:00] <Treenaks> Matt|: ?
[03:00] <labanux> is taht true?
[03:00] <Treenaks> labanux: no, they're PCI hotplug drivers
[03:00] <Treenaks> labanux: and as most systems don't have PCI hotplugging support (only extremely expensive servers, basically)...
[03:00] <bob2> labanux: you can add them to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to stop the warnings
[03:01] <Matt|> Treenaks, adding "the" to ubuntu gives it a kinda personal sounding flavour that i like
[03:01] <Treenaks> labanux: you can get info on what a module does with modinfo
[03:01] <Treenaks> labanux: (modinfo shpchp for example)
[03:01] <mjr> hmm, RestrictedFormats might be updated to include the mention of libxvidcore4 being in multiverse
[03:01] <labanux> wait a minute.., i'll try to edit /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[03:01] <Matt|> mjr, good idea, do it
[03:02] <legba> bob2 this is gunna be a good bug report.
[03:02] <mjr> don't know how :)
[03:02] <Treenaks> mjr: it's a wiki, log in and click the 'Edit' link
[03:02] <legba> lemme get over there and startup bitchx
[03:02] <Matt|> mjr, register and use edit
[03:02] <mjr> right, well, maybe later, now my lunch is burning in the kettle
[03:03] <Matt|> *laughs*
[03:03] <Matt|> what are you cooking in a kettle?
[03:03] <labanux> i have try this "modinfo shpchp", and this "modinfo pciehp", and it seems you're right
[03:03] <labanux> it says about the PCI hotplug..
[03:03] <labanux> hmm...
[03:03] <labanux> wait a minute.., i'll try to edit /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[03:04] <amin2> hi
[03:05] <amin2> it is claimed that ubuntu is glued with python. How is it ? Anybody can explaine to me ?
[03:05] <Kyaneos> hi
[03:05] <Kyaneos> where is the apt log file???
[03:05] <bob2> amin2: it's not, yet
[03:05] <Matt|> hi. who knows what is going on with acpi on ubuntu?
[03:06] <Matt|> my screen blacks out when I lower the lid
[03:06] <nevyn> amin2: it is. they use python for lots of scripts like postinst and stuff.
[03:06] <Elwood> interesting
[03:06] <nevyn> amin2: and some late init scripts and stuff.
[03:06] <Jeffrey> Matt|, if I do force=acpi it won't boot :-(
[03:06] <Matt|> Jeffrey, acpi sucks on ubuntu
[03:06] <Kyaneos> where is the apt log file??? please
[03:06] <mjr> Matt|, lentil/quinoa/onion/broccoli-stuff for burritos
[03:06] <Matt|> i can't tell my battery state
[03:06] <citybird> well, well, well, it looks like the dreded thinkpad warm boot poltergeist has struk again.
[03:07] <Matt|> mjr, wow awesome
[03:07] <amin2> Well, I think it is like JDS and Java
[03:07] <Matt|> i have removed all the scripts in /etc/acpi which have "lid" in the name, and it still blanks when i lower the lid
[03:07] <thoreauputic> Kyaneos: what are you trying to do or find out?
[03:08] <Matt|> and a guy on here yesterday had his laptop crash whenever he lowered the lid, even after just booting the kernel
[03:08] <labanux> somebody..., could you tell me, where should i edit the /etc/hotplug/blacklist to ignore the shpchp?
[03:08] <citybird> does ubuntu support bootsplash and framebuffer at boot?
[03:08] <bob2> labanux: just add the module name at the end
[03:08] <bob2> citybird: no
[03:08] <labanux> ok.., thanx
[03:08] <Matt|> citybird, framebuffer is there, not bootsplash
[03:08] <bob2> citybird: it's buggy and pointless.  hoary will have a better userspace solution.
[03:08] <citybird> right, thanks
[03:08] <Kyaneos> thoreauputic, i want to remind what packages i installed with apt-get install gdesklets
[03:08] <amin2> Matt|, my battery'state says N/A too
[03:08] <citybird> err, how do you enable root??
[03:09] <Matt|> amin2, try typing acpi in a terminal and see if it works
[03:09] <bob2> citybird: why?
[03:09] <Matt|> amin2, if you use acpi
[03:09] <bob2> citybird: and "it's in the FAQ"
[03:09] <citybird> k
[03:09] <Matt|> *laughs*
[03:09] <Matt|> "it's in the FAQ" is pretty close to rtfm
[03:09] <bob2> yeah
[03:09] <citybird> yea, stupid question, i know better
[03:09] <Elwood> iitf=rtfm
[03:09] <bob2> but it *is* in the FAQ
[03:10] <Elwood> rtfm is the only way to learn :)
[03:10] <thoreauputic> Kyaneos: apt-cache depends gdesklets
[03:10] <citybird> and i *DO* know bettter
[03:10] <Matt|> Elwood, no, this is a support chan
[03:10] <thoreauputic> Kyaneos: will tell you the dependencies
[03:10] <Matt|> it is here to help people, not to help them help themselves
[03:10] <labanux> hello
[03:10] <bob2> well
[03:10] <nevyn> Matt|: I was stunned tonight when configuring debian on a toshiba 300CDT EVERYTHING in acpi is supported
[03:10] <cardador> Kyaneos: open synaptic,  search for gdesklets, go to properties and installed files
[03:10] <bob2> typing out the same answers a thousand times a day is pretty tedious
[03:10] <labanux> test
[03:11] <nevyn> Matt|: including cpu scaling and screen brightness controlls.