  They weren't full code, but I can scroll up
[00:23] <Myrtti> isn't lukewarm good?
[00:23] <Flannel> maybe I should've said tepid
[00:24] <Myrtti> I bet there's plenty of people who would disagree with that
[00:24] <Myrtti> I'm just having weird day
[00:25] <Myrtti> the Jackass apologized his behaviour today, almost out of the blue
[00:25] <elky_work> Flannel: it was a few days ago now
[00:25] <Flannel> Myrtti: who would that be?
[00:26] <Myrtti> the Jackass of Nerdom and Relationships
[00:26] <Flannel> elky_work: I'm updating my copy, hold on
[00:28] <Myrtti> anyway - tis too late to be awake
[00:29] <Flannel> elky_work: http://pastebin.com/f100c6502
[00:30] <Flannel> elky_work: then the other was http://pastebin.com/d373a6d82
[00:30] <Flannel> but that doens't seem to work anymore
[00:31] <Flannel> someone will have to brave downloading the deb and unpacking it
[00:35] <elky_work> yeah, i dont have time for that right now
[00:40] <kevinO> hello
[00:42] <elky_work> kevinO: you are in the ops channel. is there anything relevent we can help you with?
[00:42] <Flannel> elky_work: Anything in particular you're looking for?  (just downloading dpkg -x the deb and you get the source)
[00:43] <kevinO> mmm, waiting for a couple ops to decide my fate
[00:43] <elky_work> Flannel: the dangerous crap such as '--force-yes'
[00:43] <kevinO> i guess i can come baqck later
[00:44] <kevinO> baqck/back*
[00:45] <Flannel> elky_work: heh.  this hurts.
[00:45] <elky_work> Flannel: i know
[00:46] <Flannel> elky_work: http://paste.ubuntu.com/32383/ is all of them
[00:47] <Flannel> did you want that file with almost all of them in it?
[00:48] <elky_work> 193 in a signle file? EWW
[00:50] <Flannel> elky_work: here's that file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/32384/
[00:51] <elky_work> hmm... can grep output linenumbers? (iirc yes)
[00:51] <Flannel> yeah.  Heh, here's a gem: sudo chmod +x legends_linux-<IP_ADDRESS>.deb
[00:52] <elky_work> please repeat your first pastebin with linenumbers, and grep out that chmod with linenumber please :)
[00:53] <Flannel> elky_work: http://paste.ubuntu.com/32386/
[00:55] <stdin> who want's to kill \3TATUK ?
[00:55] <Flannel> the chmod line number ... oh, lots.
[00:55] <Flannel> thanks stdin
[00:55] <stdin> I have a highlight on that command ;)
[00:57] <Flannel> freaking
[00:58] <elky_work> Flannel: find a deb with the dodgiest looking repo, and the corresponding chmod
[01:00] <Flannel> elky_work: http://paste.ubuntu.com/32395/
[01:00] <Flannel> those all all the debs he chmod+xes (some of the other chmods are runs, andshs and stuff)
[01:01] <elky_work> i have no idea what the legends_linux thing is, where does it get downloaded from?
[01:01]  * Flannel mutters about elky_work being a taskmaster
[01:01] <elky_work> :)
[01:03] <Flannel> hmm, -B isn't working
[01:03] <Flannel> ah, there we go.
[01:04] <Flannel> elky_work: http://paste.ubuntu.com/32398/
[01:04] <Flannel> Hows that?
[01:06] <elky_work> excellent
[01:06] <Flannel> the if before the else is... a trial dpkg -i
[01:06] <Flannel> dpkg -i filename.deb, if it fails, grab it, chmod it, then try again
[01:06] <Flannel> what a lovely.... method.
[01:07] <Flannel> since checking if a file exists is so hard
[01:08] <Flannel> (that's what he does with the .run files and .shs too, checks if they exist, tries to run them, if it fails, grabs the software, +x, runs it again
[01:09] <Flannel> he does check if it exists first (even on debs) so my last comment wasn't entirely meritful
[01:09] <Flannel> that is, the previous one
[01:11] <Flannel> here's another little gem: http://paste.ubuntu.com/32401/
[01:12] <Flannel> (and that code is mirrored in all the removes that aren't through package management it seems)
[01:13]  * Flannel loves the irony of "swift*" where * is the debianized versions.
[01:17] <Flannel> elky_work: There may be some issue with nautilus script collisions too (although I'm not familiar enough to say), likes 723-744
[01:18] <Flannel> elky_work: and dvd shrink is installed via alien from an rpm
[01:22] <Flannel> elky_work: and then... the compiz git stuf... makes baby penguins cry.  Especially the removal.  that is ripe for issues.
[01:23] <Flannel> alright. I need a shower or something.
[01:54] <wgrant> I like how he uses --assume-yes and --force-yes in the same command.
[01:54] <wgrant> And in other places -y and --force-yes.
[01:55] <elky_work> copypasted from two diff places
[01:55] <Pici> How many of those things are present in the original automatix code though?
[01:56] <Flannel> Pici: Does it matter?
[01:56] <Pici> Flannel: Not really
[01:58] <elky_work> ooh, show me the compiz git russian roulette
[01:59] <Flannel> Pici: make the bad woman stop.  I dun wanna look at the code anymore.
[01:59] <elky_work> hehe
[01:59] <wgrant> It's interesting that it's just 'Ultimate Edition' and not 'Ubuntu Ultimate Edition'. It is the ULTIMATE EDITION OF EVERYTHING!
[02:00] <elky_work> the last one, i promise
[02:00] <Flannel> elky_work: http://paste.ubuntu.com/32409/
[02:01] <Flannel> wgrant: That's because it works on debian (untested), kubuntu (untested, xubuntu (untested), and edubuntu (untested)!
[02:01] <Flannel> elky_work: and once again, full source of that godawful file is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/32384/
[02:02]  * elky_work hugs Flannel
[02:03] <Pici> argh
[02:03] <Pici> NU=$(cat /etc/passwd | grep 1000 | cut -d: -f1)  and then build stuff in /home/$NU/compiz-scripts/
[02:03] <wgrant> Flannel: True.
[02:03] <wgrant> Hahahaha.
[02:04] <Pici> What is with this constant ITEMS=something else stuff?
[02:05] <Flannel> Pici: not only that, but that code will only do it on the first user's home.  What if the second user does it?
[02:05] <Pici> Flannel: Exactly.
[02:05] <wgrant> Flannel: What, you mean Linux supports multiple users? Lies.
[02:05]  * Flannel looked at that earlier, didn't make that connection though.
[02:05] <Flannel> wgrant: How else would you allow malicious people to log in?  through your user?
[02:05] <wgrant> And what the feck.
[02:06] <wgrant> ia64 is not x86_64, fool.
[02:06]  * Pici dies @ fusionremove
[02:06] <Flannel> Pici: yeah... Thats what got me.
[02:06] <Flannel> the build stuff... probably was good (didn't really look)
[02:06] <wgrant> The identical apt-get commandlines except for the envvar are also nice.
[02:06] <wgrant> Really follows DRY.
[02:07] <Flannel> wgrant: well, its future proofing!  What happens if someone wants to make it so that something different happens on a particular package?
[02:09] <nickrud> I assume you'll file bug reports. A perfect storm :)
[02:09] <Pici> If this whole script is running with sudo, why does it need sudo in front of all the commands?
[02:09] <Flannel> Pici: super sudo!
[02:09] <wgrant> Pici: I was wondering that myself.
[02:09] <wgrant> And if it's not running with sudo, why isn't it?
[02:10] <Flannel> It is.
[02:10] <Pici> And these sudo echo "some desktop item stuff" >>  /usr/something/file.desktop   will not work unless you run the script as sudo.
[02:10] <wgrant> Pici: True, true.
[02:10] <Flannel> the launcher makes sure you're sudoed
[02:10] <wgrant> I like the function at 242 on http://paste.ubuntu.com/32384/.
[02:10]  * Flannel can paste that too
[02:10] <wgrant> We create a directory, cd to its parent, and then remove it.
[02:11] <Pici> wgrant: I dont understand that either.
[02:11] <Flannel> I know *why* he des it
[02:11] <Flannel> Let me find the code
[02:12] <Flannel> alright, line 157. make /usr/local/games/armyops, then cd to games then delete... oh
[02:12] <Flannel> earlier I had it worked out so you make the armyops, cd to armyops, then rm the current dir
[02:12] <wgrant> sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.bak
[02:12] <wgrant> sudo wget http://www.medibuntu.org/sources.list.d/hardy.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list
[02:12] <Flannel> so, if the cd failed, you'd still be... somewhere else.
[02:12] <wgrant> Oh yes, that backup is so useful.
[02:13] <Flannel> Hahahhaa
[02:13] <Flannel> I didn't even catch that.
[02:13] <wgrant> It's such a copy and paste job.
[02:13] <Flannel> yeah
[02:13] <wgrant> echo "Restoring sources list"
[02:13] <wgrant> sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.bak /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:13] <wgrant> So useful.
[02:13] <Flannel> nickrud: heh.  [project barely uses LP], [project recieves about 40 bug reports that ammount to "rewrite your whole thing"], [project goes away]?
[02:14]  * Flannel makes that comment go back in time three minutes, to have it make sense.
[02:14] <nickrud> Flannel either that, or he learns some nicer coding techniques due to your due diligence in correcting his errors ;)
[02:15] <Flannel> nickrud: I was reading his forum yesterday.  He goes on and on about how arnieboy was a crappy coder, and how he's learned all about the debian package format.  Interesting read, to say the least.
[02:15] <wgrant> Flannel: I didn't see that, but I saw a lot of other crap in the forum...
[02:15]  * nickrud wonders how this critique could be published in a way that isn't totally crushingly embarrassing
[02:16] <Flannel> nickrud: lots of [explitive deleted]s
[02:16] <Pici> Whats the point of 'DEBIAN_FRONTEND=kde sudo apt-get' and 'DEBIAN_FRONTEND=gnome sudo apt-get'?
[02:16] <wgrant> nickrud: Why shouldn't it be crushingly embarrassing?
[02:16] <nickrud> wgrant I'm a softy, that's all.
[02:16] <wgrant> Pici: To introduce subtle bugs that appear in different DEs, as well as making nice debconf prompts appear.
[02:16] <nickrud> wgrant and I don't see any way it wouldn't be
[02:17] <Pici> But its object oriented! theres functions for every application you'd ever want to install!
[02:18] <wgrant> Pici: Of course you should forget the fact that he could just run "export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=<whatever>" at the top and cut the code by hundreds of lines...
[02:18] <Pici> wgrant: I think he misunderstood DRY as 'do repeat yourself'
[02:19] <wgrant> Pici: Looks like it.
[02:19] <wgrant> Huh.
[02:19] <wgrant> What's with the function at line 1311?
[02:19] <wgrant> It removes things, really removes them, and then reinstalls them.
[02:19] <Flannel> wgrant: Are you using the same line numbers as the rest of us?
[02:19] <wgrant> Looking at http://paste.ubuntu.com/32384/
[02:20] <Flannel> 1311 is "dpkg check" right?
[02:20] <Flannel> Oh, and... just ignore the fact that the kubutu/ubuntu/xubuntu/edubuntu removing won't work elky_work. (he just removes the metapackages)
[02:20] <wgrant> function flashinstall {
[02:22] <Flannel> wgrant: The rm's are because he doesn't understand what -purge means
[02:22] <Flannel> either that, or its to remove them in case you installed them with this before.
[02:22] <wgrant> Flannel: But why does it need to be removed and reinstalled just to do what Flash on amd64 does already?
[02:22] <Flannel> since, you know, when we add bugs, we just add more bugs to cover them up
[02:23] <nickrud> AH! I KNEW IT!!!
[02:23] <Flannel> wgrant: I love the autoremove line in there.  Also known as "If you have any metapackages removed, we'll try and take out a number of unrelated packages to flash"
[02:23] <Flannel> er, I could've made that line half the length and still made sense.
[02:23] <wgrant> Mhm.
[02:24] <Flannel> "this is where we try and remove non related packages without you knowing"
[02:24] <wgrant> And he seems to have failed to notice the existence of $SUDO_USER.
[02:24] <Flannel> elky_work: So, now that we've been at this for two hours, what are you writing? and to whom?
[02:25] <wgrant> Oh, I just now noticed fusionremove. That is a beauty.
[02:26] <wgrant> ... the theme package is more than 100MB. Impressive.
[02:28] <Flannel> wgrant: but its superawesomecool!
[02:28] <Pici> its probably chrome, like the website.
[02:28] <wgrant> I thought I'd see how superawesomecool his packaging was, but it's huge.
[02:29] <Flannel> Pici: which website?  have you seen the ultimate editon one?  Its the epitome of usable color schemes.
[02:29] <Flannel> http://ultimateedition.info/
[02:29] <elky_work> Flannel: blog. from work. between phonecalls.
[02:30] <wgrant> Flannel: But it's shiny!
[02:30] <Pici> Flannel: Yeah, chrome!
[02:30] <Flannel> wgrant: It looks like its from Dali
[02:30] <Pici> I cant even read the text when the sidebar rollovers are active
[02:31] <Flannel> Pici: but its rad!
[02:31] <Pici> And all the header items (except ubuntu xmas) bring up 404s
[02:32] <Flannel> they all do for me.
[02:32] <Flannel> But, that makes sense.  no one has questions about ultimate edition, since its so awesome.  So how can there be any questions asked frequently?
[02:36] <Pici> Nice, an installer with music (albeit commented out now): #mixer.music.load('/usr/share/ultamatix/conf/discipline.mp3')
[02:36] <Flannel> Pici: yeah.
[02:37] <Flannel> Oh, hey... I wonder if that music is still in the deb
[02:38] <Flannel> Mmm, no, it's not.  But there is saw.wav... so, I guess when I run ultamatix, at some point I have sound effects!
[02:38] <wgrant> You also have 15006 files of theme.
[02:38] <Pici> OW. My ears
[02:39] <nickrud> maybe that sound is saved for when your system appears in the movie
[02:40] <wgrant> I think he build the themes package manually... as in, ared it manually and everything.
[02:40] <Flannel> hahahha
[02:40] <wgrant> As it's so broken that nothing could have built it.
[02:40] <Flannel> the ultamatix repo is listed twice in his sources.list, once as "official ubuntu repositories" and the oter as "ultmatix repositories"
[02:40] <Flannel> Oh... and is root nautilus window uses sudo instead of gksu.
[02:41] <wgrant> Is that in the codebase as well? I saw it a couple of times on the forum.
[02:41] <Pici> Flannel: And some of the hardy repositories  are spelt harty in the sources.list too
[02:41] <Flannel> Pici: No, that's his repo.
[02:41] <Flannel> his version is "harty"
[02:42] <nickrud> oh my g.
[02:42] <Flannel> wgrant: yeah, part ofthe nautilus scripts.  in /usr/share/ultamatix/conf/*
[02:42] <Flannel> And, his method of sudoing stuff is "gksu a dummy command" and then the next line "sudo the real command'
[02:42] <Flannel> so, if someone has password caching turned off, it won't work.
[02:43] <wgrant> Aha.
[02:43] <wgrant> Now this is interesting.
[02:43] <wgrant> The package was mostly manually built, but has some stuff in there that indicates it was partly created with dh_make.
[02:46] <Flannel> alright.  time to eat dinner.  I take my leave from this insanity.  I'll leave wgrant in my stead.
[03:53] <elky_work> you know, "[2008-07-31 12:13:15] *** ChanServ gives mneptok the permission to talk." gives me a chill every time :P
[04:12] <elky_work> Flannel: http://www.geekosophical.net/?p=186
[04:18] <wgrant> elky_work: So we're being proactive rather than reactive now?
[04:19] <wgrant> elky_work: And where did all the double dashes go?
[04:19] <wgrant> But they are some nice snippets of code.
[04:25] <Flannel> wgrant: they got absorbed into ndashes, it looks like
[04:25] <Flannel> Oh.  hmm, or just regular dashes.
[04:44] <elky_work> wgrant: wordpress happened
[04:44] <elky_work> i'll change em into code blocks... the wp kitchen sink doesnt have the code button anymore :-/
[04:45] <elky_work> ooh, milestone: "Akismet has protected your site from 251,759 spam comments already"
[04:48] <elky_work> wgrant: and yes, proactive until we need to be reactive ;)
[04:49] <wgrant> elky_work: I thought it might have been a good idea to try to ignore it and hope nobody noticed.
[04:51] <elky_work> wgrant: because that works so well
[04:51] <Flannel> wgrant: Automatix died, and it wasn't really needed anymore anyway.  Hopefully we can nip this in the bud before it gets too big.
[04:51] <Flannel> wgrant: Or at least, keep it from expanding
[04:52]  * ajmitch goes to download & blindly run it
[04:52] <elky_work> from now on, these sorts of crack are to be referred to as GoAXs, because they make you want to Go AX(e) the author
[04:55]  * wgrant stabs ajmitch with --force-yes for good measure.
[04:55] <wgrant> elky_work: Hah.
[04:56] <Hobbsee> elky_work: LOL!
[04:57] <Flannel> elky_work: And that's pronounced "goax" like "goat"?
[04:57] <elky_work> Flannel: why not
[04:57] <elky_work> since pronunciation is critical over irc, and all
[04:58] <wgrant> This guy knows Debian policy well: http://pastebin.com/f603673f2
[04:59] <ajmitch> is there a problem there?
[04:59] <elky_work> ajmitch: who names their child 'themahn2003'?
[05:00] <elky_work> aside from talulah's parents
[05:00] <Flannel> wgrant: He did speak volumes about how he's been reading up about debian policy (since I believe that was a core complaint of mjg)
[05:00] <wgrant> Flannel: So I saw.
[05:00] <wgrant> The themes package proved that.
[05:01] <elky_work> hmm "[*] 99% support for 64 bit O/S's"... i wonder if this means 'everything downloads and installs, but it still randomly wipes everything on harddrive, no idea why'
[05:01] <Flannel> elky_work: 64bit is supported (untested)
[05:01] <wgrant> Like Debian.
[05:01] <elky_work> Flannel: like everything else
[05:03] <elky_work> at least he packaged it (symbolically) aptly "ultamatix (1.8.0-2) unstable;"
[05:03]  * Flannel just made that up, because its likely.
[05:04] <wgrant> You mean "64bit is supported (untested)" (untested)?
[05:05] <Flannel> wgrant: exactly
[05:14] <elky_work> oh freaking hell
[05:14]  * elky_work points to jdub's blog on planet :-/
[05:16] <Flannel> the stupid twitter one?
[05:16] <elky_work> yes
[05:17] <Flannel> elky_work: just don't read both of his posts at the same sitting
[05:18]  * Flannel mutters about a total waste of planet space.
[05:18] <elky_work> Flannel: the yass one is less rude, but one that is famous in the part of the country i come from
[05:19] <Flannel> elky_work: not rude, just... stupid.  If I wanted to see something like this, I'd ... browse youtube or something.
[05:19]  * Flannel considers asking Fuxxor to change his nick.
[05:19] <elky_work> Flannel: yes, do
[05:20] <Flannel> elky_work: What do you think, in channel, or in query?
[05:21] <Flannel> eh, moot point.
[06:00] <Hobbsee> elky_work: the lack of wiping of the hard drive is the 1%, which is currently still unsupported.
[06:00] <Hobbsee> ti does everything else.
[06:01]  * Hobbsee eyes planet.
[06:02] <tonyyarusso> what now?
[06:02] <Hobbsee> well, it's certainly a good way of alerting people to the irc council.
[06:03] <Hobbsee> and might get people who normally wouldn't think of nominating, to do so
[06:03] <tonyyarusso> Aaah
[06:03] <tonyyarusso> Eyeing as in "maybe I should post", not eyeing as in "they said what now?"
[06:04] <Hobbsee> you've not seen cody's post?
[06:04] <tonyyarusso> Not yet
[06:04]  * tonyyarusso goes to read
[06:07] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Okay, I have now.
[06:07] <tonyyarusso> Not bad choices, actually.
[06:07] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: indeed.
[06:07] <Hobbsee> although i've not seen much from boredandblogging
[06:07]  * Hobbsee pokes mneptok with a stick
[06:07] <tonyyarusso> Not that I've seen either in a moderation / dispute resolution capacity, but hey.
[06:08] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: boredandblogging basically WAS the UWN around the time I stopped having time to contribute to it.
[06:08] <Flannel>  /me +1s boredandblogging
[06:08] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[06:08] <tonyyarusso> Various other things too, but that's where I know him most from.
[06:08] <Flannel> for nomination.  maybe I'm jumping the gun.
[06:08] <Hobbsee> i'd like to see mneptok and such on there.
[06:10] <tonyyarusso> hehe, it's a new game!  Called "hilight anyone you think should submit a self-nomination"!
[06:18] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:19]  * Hobbsee wonders how many of the nominations will actually make it to people to be voted on / selected from
[06:24] <nalioth> time will tell
[06:25] <Tm_T> mmmmm, what nomination are we talking now?
[06:26] <nalioth> Tm_T: for IRC council
[06:26] <Tm_T> ah
[06:26] <Tm_T> I hope noone nominates me
[06:27] <nalioth> nominations are self-induced
[06:27] <Hobbsee> i wonder if we'll get a full list, of who nominated at all?
[06:32] <tonyyarusso> if someone can make me two clones so I'd have time for such things, I'd consider it, but......no.
[06:32]  * tonyyarusso goes to bed - gotta be at work at 8AM tomorrow :(
[06:33] <elky_work> you need to have logical time to do these things? someone should have let me in on that....
[07:21]  * Flannel bonks elky_work for having a stupid spam prevention.
[07:22] <elky_work> Flannel: hehe
[07:22]  * elky_work checks the comment queue
[07:22] <Flannel> elky_work: It asks in text, and then expects the answer in a number!
[07:22] <elky_work> ha
[07:25] <elky_work> where is this mythical comment?
[07:26] <Flannel> no idea?  your web server gobbled it up
[07:30] <elky_work> the blog is on my dreamhost account, so quite possible
[07:30] <Flannel> nom nom nom
[07:32] <Madpilot> speaking of computers doing the "nom nom nom" thing, great blogpost by Hobbsee on "Ultramoronix" or whatever the latest script-of-doom is called...
[07:32] <Hobbsee> ?
[07:32] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: that was elky_work.
[07:32] <Flannel> Madpilot: you mean elky_work
[07:32] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: have you confused us already?
[07:33] <Hobbsee> i know we're both women, but you should really be able to tell us apart....
[07:33] <Flannel> Madpilot: its easy... Hobbsee has a "Hobbs" in her name.
[07:33] <Madpilot> pardon me. I'm confusing the ladies of ubuntu-irc!
[07:33]  * Madpilot shall now grovel
[07:33] <Flannel> Madpilot: If there were *three* of them, you might be able to get away with confusing them though.
[07:33]  * Flannel waits for Myrtti to chime in.
[07:33] <Madpilot> In my defence, it's late, and there's an empty pint glass beside this keyboard :)
[07:34] <elky_work> Flannel: were you signing as 'puppies'?
[07:34]  * Hobbsee pokes the puppies with Myrtti's Fluffy Pink Pen Of Poking (tm)
[07:35] <Flannel> elky_work: no, that's certainly not me.  nope.
[07:35] <elky_work> Hobbsee: forgive my friend, he's Canadian. ;)
[07:35]  * elky_work ducks the flying glass
[07:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:36]  * Flannel doesn't choose random nouns as "names" in blog responses.  nope.  not him.
[07:37] <elky_work> put the better worded of the two through
[07:37] <Flannel> second time around almost always comes out better.
[07:38] <elky_work> yeah
[07:38] <Madpilot> people still use Lynx for actual, live websurfing? Wow.
[07:38] <Tm_T> Madpilot: why not?
[07:38] <Madpilot> The 1980s called, they'd like their browser back sometime :)
[07:39] <Flannel> Madpilot: Not only that, but take a look at the version on said lynx
[07:39] <elky_work> Madpilot: text-based stuff is good for readability on tiny screens
[07:39] <elky_work> if all you want is the words, it's great
[07:40]  * Flannel notices that lynx has changed a whole .1 from dapper to hardy.
[07:40] <Flannel> sort of makes my version comment more silly.
[07:41]  * elky_work wonders what the changelog for lynx says the .1 is
[07:42] <Flannel> elky_work: Actually, dapper to feisty went from 2.8.5-1 to -2
[07:42] <elky_work> wth did they change though?
[07:43] <Flannel> Some security things... and... some bugs...
[07:43] <Flannel> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/lynx/lynx_2.8.6-2ubuntu2/changelog
[07:43] <Flannel> There's the history of it 2.8.5-1 is the starting dapper version
[07:45] <elky_work> "  * Fixed missing icon in KDE menu (LP: #159580)"
[07:45] <elky_work> that was the latest update for ubuntu.
[07:45] <elky_work> a text-only browser, and they were irked about it's freaking icon
[07:46] <Flannel> elky_work: and the one before that was homepage, maintainer, standards version.
[07:46] <elky_work> i did notice
[07:46] <elky_work> 1 -> 2 was worth it though
[07:51] <Flannel> elky_work: you approved both of them, it looks like
[07:54] <elky_work> only long enough to get them out of the spam queue
[08:38] <elkeee> Flannel, still around?
[08:38] <Myrtti> meh.
[08:38] <Myrtti> thou hast called my name in vain
[08:38]  * Myrtti larts
[08:39] <Hobbsee> now, how can i /cycle and pick the data center i end up in?
[08:39] <Hobbsee> sorry, the server that i end up using?
[08:39] <elkeee> did you reply to the idiot again, because the new wp-admin panel makes it really easy to accidentally brush a delete button... i just deleted a comment :-/
[08:40] <elkeee> specify them in your server list for the network
[08:41]  * elkeee huggles Myrtti
[08:41] <Tm_T> me too :(
[08:43]  * elkeee huggles Tm_T too
[08:53] <Tm_T> elkeee: ooooh, huggles <3
[08:53] <Seeker`> o/
[08:55] <wgrant> What is this new Eeee PC?
[08:55] <Tm_T> elkeee: multiplying?
[08:56] <elkeeee> wgrant, stupid sydney tunnels
[08:56] <wgrant> elkeeee: Ah.
[09:43] <Flannel> elky: what;s up?
[09:43] <Flannel> elky: oh, no, I didn't.
[09:44] <Flannel> you deleted a real person's comment.
[09:52] <elky> Flannel, crap
[09:53] <Tm_T> erp
[10:03] <elky> hmm... according to the database, i was hallucinating. i think noscript still being enabled on my blog domain saved me
[10:22] <Myrtti> this is so unfair
[10:22] <Myrtti> I'm working on my only vacation week
[10:28] <Seeker`> Myrtti: :(
[10:28] <Seeker`> Myrtti: why?
[10:30] <Myrtti> apparently because I'm too nice
[10:31] <Seeker`> ah
[11:18] <jussi01> Have I said I love kde4 yet?
[11:18] <Myrtti> have I said I love gwibber, yet?
[11:19] <Myrtti> and a couple of other things too
[11:19] <jussi01> but I still want a jaiku plasmoid :(
[11:20] <jussi01> elky: nice blog post
[11:21] <elky> jussi01, :)
[12:23] <Pici> Whats a gwibber?
[12:24] <Myrtti> https://launchpad.net/gwibber
[12:28] <Myrtti> feels weird not using the damned USB wifi thing
[12:36] <elky> heh
[12:59]  * jussi01 wonders if theres a kwibber...
[12:59] <Myrtti> jussi01: make a blueprint or something of it in launchpad
[12:59] <Myrtti> jussi01: the project is in so early stages that someone could quite easily pick it up
[13:00] <Myrtti> methinks.
[13:00] <jussi01> :)
[13:00]  * jussi01 goes to continue packing...
[13:12] <Pici> !ping
[13:20]  * Myrtti pokes jussi01 in the ribs
[13:20] <jussi01> mitä?
[13:22] <Myrtti> *squeek*
[13:47]  * Myrtti grunts and sods off
[16:03] <Hobbsee> sigh, people
[16:03] <Pici> Ibex is so buggy, you people should be ashamed.
[16:03] <Hobbsee> he's booted with the splash screen, i'll bet.
[16:03] <Hobbsee> booting without it seems to work fine
[16:04] <Tm_T> Pici: yes, I'm ashamed that it works
[16:04] <Tm_T> it shouldn't!
[16:04] <Hobbsee> oh, his bug is even worse...
[16:05] <Hobbsee> i wish we could force clueless people not to use intrepid.
[16:06] <poningru> Pici, yarr
[16:06] <Pici> so... repeat that again about the channel
[16:06] <poningru> oh right
[16:06] <poningru> sorry
[16:06] <poningru> I was wondering if I can create a #ubuntu-netbook channel
[16:07] <Hobbsee> wow, there's a nick i haven't seen in a while
[16:07] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: where?
[16:07] <Hobbsee> poningru:
[16:07] <Tm_T> oh, I see
[16:07] <Hobbsee> or are you meaning the clueless guy?
[16:08] <Tm_T> no, the nick you haven't seen
[16:08]  * Tm_T see way too many nicks
[16:10] <poningru> :p
[16:10]  * poningru hugs Hobbsee
[16:10] <poningru> I have been around
[16:10] <Hobbsee> :D
[16:10] <poningru> started a biking project
[16:10] <Pici> poningru: So, whats Ubuntu-netbook?
[16:10] <Hobbsee> Pici: ....
[16:10] <poningru> so the netbook market is exploding right now
[16:10] <Hobbsee> Pici: how long have you been hiding under a rock for?
[16:10] <poningru> netbook is essentially a tiny cheap linux notebook
[16:10] <Pici> Is it different from #ubuntu-mobile?
[16:10] <Hobbsee> Pici: yes
[16:10] <Hobbsee> Pici: they're smaller
[16:11] <ikonia> talking say the eepc - that sort of thing ?
[16:11] <poningru> canonical is currently producing a particular OS for the netbook market
[16:11] <poningru> ikonia, right
[16:11] <Hobbsee> ikonia: that's the one
[16:11] <Pici> I thought we had a channel like that...
[16:11] <Pici> !irc
[16:11] <poningru> and aspire one, msi wind, etc.
[16:11] <poningru> we do?
[16:11]  * Pici looks
[16:11] <Pici> poningru: I could be wrong
[16:11] <bazhang> #eeepc
[16:11] <ikonia> poningru: yes, I've been working with the MSI one for a month or so now and an early prototype a few months earlier
[16:12] <poningru> ikonia, !!!
[16:12] <ikonia> ?
[16:12] <poningru> I am currently working on the aspire one
[16:12] <poningru> as in just independently
[16:12] <Pici> poningru: nah, I think I'm imagining it
[16:12] <poningru> didnt get a prototype or anything
[16:12]  * Hobbsee eyes that bug
[16:12] <poningru> Pici, oh :(
[16:12] <ikonia> one of the labs I was in got an MSI prototype a few  months back
[16:12]  * Tm_T hugs Hobbsee
[16:12]  * Hobbsee holds up a sign:  "you need to be this intelligent to run intrepid"
[16:14]  * Myrtti wants a pink MSI wind
[16:15] <ikonia> Myrtti: do they do them in colours now ?
[16:15] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/26516955@N07/2487369951/
[16:16] <nalioth> poningru: can we help you?
[16:16] <ikonia> oh cool, they have changed the shell casing also
[16:16] <Pici> nalioth: he wants to know about setting up #ubuntu-netbook
[16:17] <poningru> sorry at work
[16:17] <Myrtti> ikonia: that's 420€ here
[16:17]  * Hobbsee stabs, and waves the sign around more
[16:17] <Hobbsee> whoever mentions the phrase "graphical bash"....
[16:17] <Tm_T> o/
[16:19] <poningru> yeah aspire one is about 379USD here
[16:19] <poningru> so yeah can we make that channel?
[16:19] <Myrtti> what about #ubuntu-mobile ?
[16:20] <poningru> I will be in it 24/7 in two days
[16:20] <Myrtti> oh, but that was the different project
[16:20] <poningru> Myrtti, I think thats a different ...
[16:20] <poningru> yeah
[16:20] <bazhang> that's for touchscreens
[16:20] <Tm_T> poningru: only if Myrtti has her pink MSI wind
[16:20] <poningru> lol
[16:20] <poningru> bazhang, well netbooks can have a touchscreens as well
[16:20] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso++
[16:21] <Hobbsee> ikonia: i'm hoping if that guy gets ignored, he'll go away.
[16:21] <Pici> 8.10 beta 3?!
[16:21] <ikonia> Hobbsee: understood
[16:22] <Hobbsee> ikonia: but i might not get my wish :P
[16:27] <Myrtti> great
[16:27] <Myrtti> clamav live doesn't recognize the keyboard
[16:37] <poningru> so about that channel...
[16:38] <nalioth> poningru: are you not talking to nickserv?  ( please identify )
[16:40] <mneptok> "that channel?"
[16:42] <poningru> created
[16:42] <poningru> nalioth, done
[16:42] <poningru> mneptok, #ubuntu-netbook
[16:43] <mneptok> ach so.
[16:43] <mneptok> i've heard of these netbooks. the kids seem to think they're "groovy."
[16:43] <jussi01> rofl
[16:44] <Myrtti> mneptok: be sure you don't end up within hug proximity of me
[16:45]  * mneptok 's locked in a morbid orbit
[16:46] <poningru> brb lunch
[16:53] <nalioth> we _do_ have trolls that go around using other peoples nicks, so identifying with nickserv is important
[17:03] <Myrtti> I just love how anal the ops of IRCnet's !assembly are during the party
[17:03] <Myrtti> 19:01 @,- Shancial is now known as ShancialAway
[17:03] <Myrtti> 19:01 @,- ShancialAway was kicked from !assembly by rutkutin [Banned: No away-nicks!]
[17:07]  * Tm_T hugs mneptok
[17:13] <poningru> nalioth, oh true
[18:08] <ikonia> jpds: when did he sneak in ?
[18:08] <jpds> ikonia: Who?
[18:08] <ikonia> trojan
[18:08] <ikonia> isn't that the guy from earlier with the "surveys"
[18:09] <ikonia> ooh you removed him
[18:09] <ikonia> as in the ban
[18:09] <jpds> He came in about 10 minutes ago, it was a timed mute ban.
[18:09] <jpds> He must of left on his own accord, I only /at'ed him.
[18:09] <ikonia> thought it was the guy from earlier coming back
[18:24] <Pici> hrm, him again?
[18:30] <ikonia> he didn't hang around
[18:30] <Pici> he was in a few times yesterday
[18:32] <ikonia> do you think it's worth removing the ban, as it looks like he's checking if it's still in place
[18:32] <ikonia> Tm_T was under the impression he was "sorry" yesterday
[18:32] <Pici> If you feel that way, sure.
[18:34] <ikonia> he's on line, I'll drop him a quick pm
[18:34] <Tm_T> ikonia: msg him and talk about .... ah, you're at it already
[18:36] <kevinO> hi
[18:37] <ikonia> ahh hello kevinO
[18:37] <ikonia> thanks for joining
[18:37] <kevinO> np
[18:37] <ikonia> it's only a quick one to see if you understand why you where removed from #ubuntu yesterday and make sure your ok with ensuring that it doesn't happen again
[18:38] <ikonia> do you understand why you where removed and banned from the channel ?
[18:38] <kevinO> yeah, i should have just let it go, but i didnt. I apologize
[18:38] <ikonia> thats great, no problem
[18:38] <ikonia> give it a few minutes and I'll have the ban cleared
[18:38] <kevinO> ok thanks
[18:39] <kevinO> later
[18:41] <ikonia> Tm_T: looks like you where spot on
[18:46] <Tm_T> :)
[18:57] <Tm_T> hrrr, something fishy is going on in Finland: http://www.assemblytv.net/2008/broadcast.php.fi?br=2048
[19:01] <Tm_T> bah, aren't showing anything from the event atm
[19:15] <Myrtti> meh
[19:19] <Myrtti> Tm_T: pöks
[19:20] <Myrtti> Tm_T: you remember what options grub needs to be given to get finnish keyboard layout?
[19:20] <Myrtti> keyb=fi?
[19:21] <ikonia> ubotu just joined #ubuntu
[19:21] <Pici> hm
[19:22] <Myrtti> ubotu?
[19:22] <ikonia> yes
[19:22] <ikonia> identified as seveas
[19:22] <Myrtti> wth
[19:22] <Pici> I'm asking seveas about it
[19:22] <Myrtti> bad
[19:22] <Pici> yes
[19:22] <Myrtti> I feel really bad
[19:22] <ikonia> it doesn't appear active
[19:22] <Myrtti> not good
[19:22] <ikonia> tested it and it didn't respond
[19:26] <Pici> ikonia: because its running irssi, not supybot.
[19:26] <ikonia> no biggy
[19:30] <ikonia> funny watching ubotu give out interactive advice
[19:30] <Myrtti> why is he using ubotu nick?
[19:30] <Pici> He said emma was using it.
[19:31] <Pici> And he didnt want that.
[19:31] <Myrtti> WHAT?!
[19:31] <Myrtti> emma?
[19:31] <Myrtti> WTH
[19:32] <ikonia> if he's got proof of that, it seems like she should just be removed as her intention is clearly to cause trouble/issues for ubuntu using ubotu
[19:32] <ikonia> thats not in line with the "behaviour" bond she agreed to
[19:33] <Pici> If it was just in her channels, I dont think its that malicious.
[19:33] <nalioth> emma was sitting on it ( unidentified )
[19:33] <ikonia> oh come on
[19:33] <ikonia> this is a joke
[19:33] <ikonia> she  knows what that nick is
[19:34] <nalioth> y'all put down your tomahawks.  nothing has happened with the 'ubotu' nick.
[19:34] <ikonia> thats not the point
[19:34] <Pici> I know. I'm just saying that she wasn't in our channels, so its not that big of a deal.
[19:34] <mneptok> but it is.
[19:34] <ikonia> Pici: it is in my view as it gives the impression ubotu is active in #club-ubuntu
[19:34] <ikonia> there is no reason for her to sit on that nick
[19:34] <ikonia> other than to cause issue
[19:34] <mneptok> that nick is owned by someone else. the person that owns it has been in conflict with emma.
[19:34] <ubotu> interesting
[19:35] <ubotu> ubotu can't join -offtopic? :)
[19:35] <nalioth> ikonia: ubotu was not in ##club-ubuntu
[19:35] <mneptok> emma has NO good reason to be using that nick. in fact, she has every reason to avoid it.
[19:35] <ikonia> nalioth: sorry, that was in response to Pici's suggestion
[19:35] <ikonia> mneptok: exactly, and the "good behaviour" bond she agreed to - not exactly the spirit
[19:35] <nalioth> nobody but folks who /whois'd ubotu knew about it, anyway
[19:35] <ikonia> nalioth: thats even more the point
[19:35] <nalioth> the nick wasn't out parading around
[19:35] <ikonia> nalioth: giving the impression that ubotu is online/available
[19:36] <mneptok> nalioth: so "if you don't get caught, it's OK" is in keeping with the spirit of the CoC?
[19:36] <nalioth> ikonia: rigggghhhhtt.  instead of being in dozens of channels, it was in none . . .
[19:36] <ubotu> ah well, had to drop in here anyway
[19:36] <ikonia> nalioth: no, I take that point, I really do, but its the intent
[19:36] <nalioth> hi seveas
[19:37] <ikonia> nalioth: can you supply one valid reason for emma to be sitting on that nick
[19:37] <ubotu> theres's a new version of chanserv.py for people who want it, fixing a bug. It will no longer break when trying to forward mibbit people
[19:37] <ikonia> ubotu: I wouldn't mind trying it as I'm currently using irssi and would appriciate other options
[19:38] <nalioth> ikonia: the folks in #auto_bleh haven't incorporated the chanserv.py features, yet?
[19:38] <Pici> The ban is gone from -offtopic, I dont remember why it was tehre.
[19:38] <ubotu> and don't worry, emma can no longer sit on ubuntu, I've poked at nickserv to protect it
[19:38] <ikonia> nalioth: some of them yes, but when I'm at home I'd like to have the option of playing with xchat a little more
[19:38] <ubotu> s/ubuntu/ubotu/
[19:38] <ikonia> ubotu: I'm more worried about the intent rather than what happened
[19:38] <ubotu> have fun with your mess, /me out
[19:38] <Pici> cya seveas
[19:38] <ikonia> s/worried/frustrated
[19:38] <nalioth> ikonia: _nothing_ happened with ubotu/emma
[19:39] <nalioth> it wasn't in any channels
[19:39] <ikonia> nalioth: she logged in as it - as I said, the intent not the actions
[19:39] <nalioth> she did _not_ log in as ubotu
[19:39] <nalioth> seveas was just here logged in as ubotu
[19:39] <ikonia> nalioth: ok, could you define "sitting on the nick" so I'm clear
[19:40] <mneptok> nalioth: it's nick-squatting, plain and simple. she knows the nick is registered, registered to someone with whom she has had conflict, and she's playing games.
[19:40] <nalioth> ikonia: when you are not here, _anyone_ can assume your nick ( but not identify to it )
[19:40] <ikonia> nalioth: I appricate that, I can imagine people using it by mistake, but in this situation could you suggest one valid reason for emma to assume the nick ubotu
[19:40] <nalioth> mneptok: that may be so, but she didn't show it off anywhere
[19:41] <mneptok> nalioth: so "if you don't get caught, it's OK" is in keeping with the spirit of the CoC? (x2)
[19:41] <ikonia> nalioth: put that in context with her "no trouble" coc bond
[19:41] <nalioth> don't go into the "intent" thing.  you have not idea what she was wont to do with it.
[19:42] <ikonia> nalioth: ok so what would a valid reason for her to assume that identity be
[19:42] <nalioth> the fact that she kept it in no channel ( so nobody would see it or tab-complete it ) tells us something
[19:42] <ikonia> nalioth: what does it tell us, as I'm missing that
[19:42] <nalioth> she didn't do anything with it
[19:42] <ikonia> ???
[19:42] <ikonia> so ?
[19:43] <nalioth> it's the same as some guy dressing up in his wifes clothes while she's out shopping.  when she returns from shopping, her clothes are back in the closet
[19:43] <Pici> thats a great analogy.
[19:43] <ikonia> what about if that guy was on a final warning from divorce if he had one more row with his wife
[19:43] <nalioth> what difference does it make whether the nick is unused or sitting off in no channels ?
[19:44] <ikonia> nalioth: provide one valid reason why should would be on a known nick to ubuntu
[19:44] <ikonia> nalioth: if there is a valid reason I'm missing I'll forget it and move along
[19:44] <nalioth> ikonia: i don't have to provide a valid reason.  she didn't do ANYthing with it
[19:44] <mneptok> nalioth: other than use it
[19:44] <nalioth> mneptok: WHERE did she use it?
[19:44] <Pici> ikonia: What reason would people have to contact ubotu when it hasnt been in #ubuntu* channels for months?
[19:44] <mneptok> nalioth: which, to my mind, violates the spirit of the CoC and her agreement to abide by it.
[19:44] <nalioth> did she go into #ubuntu and fool people into /msg'g here?
[19:45] <ikonia> nalioth: apologies, I was asking in your experience would there/could there be a valid reason I'm missing
[19:45] <mneptok> nalioth: she used it connected to the ircd.
[19:45] <ikonia> Pici: I concur with that,
[19:45]  * nalioth gives up.  You guys need to put the pitchforks down and put out the torches.
[19:45] <Pici> I agree its not good, but its not terrible.
[19:45] <ikonia> Pici: agreed
[19:46] <Pici> More in the annoying category actually.
[19:46] <Pici> But meh.
[19:46] <nalioth> _if_ she'd taken the nick for a spin into #ubuntu* channels, i'd be just as mad as you ( but she didn't )
[19:46] <ikonia> nalioth: pitch forks are not out - but do you not find it odd that a user that has had such a troubled past, and history, and how basiclly signed a bond of behaviour would assume a known nick and just sit on it ?
[19:46] <ikonia> nalioth: I agree with that
[19:46] <Myrtti> I'm more worried with ANYONE using that nick
[19:46] <Myrtti> it shouldn't be in use. at all.
[19:46] <nalioth> and so it won't be, now.
[19:46] <Pici> seveas should set the enforce thing on for that account
[19:47] <ikonia> Pici: which I believe he just has
[19:55] <Myrtti> woooooo http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2720570152/
[19:57] <Pici> woo (I guess)
[19:58] <Myrtti> I bought a cd-rw and dvd-rw for nothing
[19:58] <Myrtti> but I guess they might come handy later
[19:58] <Pici> It never hurts to have spare hardware... except when you have a whole room full of it.
[19:59] <Myrtti> oh
[19:59] <Myrtti> not hardware
[19:59] <Myrtti> disks
[19:59] <Pici> oh
[19:59] <Pici> Yeah, those are good too
[19:59] <Myrtti> anyway
[19:59] <Myrtti> two days of struggle
[19:59] <Nafallo> discs are not hardware? :-)
[19:59] <Pici> I'd concider them media.
[20:00] <Myrtti> and now I'm finally scanning my sisters w2k machine throughout
[20:00] <Pici> Find anything yet?
[20:00] <Myrtti> nope
[20:01] <Myrtti> but that's live clamav cd
[20:01] <Myrtti> it has ntfs-3g... had to boot with irqpoll to get the keyboard to work
[20:02] <Myrtti> there's been some trojans on the computer and my ex broke out his deal with my sister and did crappy job so now I'm doing what he didn't
[20:02] <mneptok> love you better?
[20:03] <Myrtti> hah.
[20:03] <Myrtti> lol
[20:03] <Myrtti> fix the damn computer
[20:03] <Pici> oh, thats boring.
[20:20] <Myrtti> Heh. I gave my laptop to the 12yo for him to play Runescape with while I scan the viruses
[20:28] <Myrtti> Btw the kid might be on telly sports news at 11, jussi01
[20:28] <jussi01> really?
[20:29] <Myrtti> yeah he was at 9 news
[20:30] <Myrtti> At the Haka - cork game
[20:30] <Myrtti> Was walking in with Haka players
[20:30] <Myrtti> And Haka won, whee
[20:31] <jussi01> nice
[20:53] <ompaul> it is gone away
[20:53] <ompaul> :=--/
[20:53] <ompaul> wow I made a new one
[21:06] <Myrtti> meh
[21:57] <Myrtti> Moment of truth
[21:57] <ompaul> k
[21:57] <Myrtti> Does it
[21:57] <Myrtti> Boot
[21:58] <jussi01> good luck
[21:58] <Myrtti> So far so good
[22:24] <Myrtti> It works.
[22:24] <Myrtti> Whee
[22:24] <Pici> yay
[22:26] <Myrtti> Heck. BBC World
[22:27] <ikonia> your watching bbc world ?
[22:28] <mneptok> Bare Bowling Championship?
[22:29] <ikonia> Broad Back Cannoing
[22:30] <mneptok> Big Bad Clams
[22:30] <Myrtti> Yeah
[22:30]  * mneptok is not afraid of the Big Bad Clams
[22:30] <ompaul> mneptok, I seen a 6 footer
[22:30] <mneptok> unless they are wearing a full-head latex Hobbsee mask
[22:30] <ompaul> in real life
[22:30] <Pici> scary
[22:31] <mneptok> ompaul: i'll bet your wife would say "psssh ... more like 2 feet."
[22:31] <Myrtti> Well the 12yo is still playing Runescape on my laptop
[22:31] <ompaul> heh
[22:31] <ompaul> mneptok, no
[22:31] <mneptok> (male/female length judgment is like that)
[22:31] <Myrtti> Ive got nothing better to do
[22:33] <Myrtti> Im happy though that I asked kapsi to open ports to my irssi proxy
[22:33] <Myrtti> Irc with mobile phone is so much easier with mirggi
[22:46] <Dave2> damn you for being able to IRC from mobile!
[22:51] <jussi01> lol
[22:51] <jussi01> Dave2: what kind of mobile you have?
[22:51]  * mneptok got rid of his cell phone
[22:52] <mneptok> blame Canada.
[22:53] <Dave2> jussi01, one that's capable of running IRC and SSH clients, but my network won't let 'em do anything useful
[22:54] <jussi01> Dave2: shucks!
[22:54]  * jussi01 has n95, with putty and mriggi
[22:54] <jussi01> but I hate the keyboard - it sucks
[22:55]  * Dave2 has a 623
[22:55] <Dave2> 6230
[23:07]  * jussi01 is earning guitar and his fingeers hurt :/
[23:07] <jussi01> learning even
[23:08] <ikonia>  jussi01 lighter guage strings while your learning
[23:08] <jussi01> ikonia: yeah - got them ;)
[23:08] <jussi01> still getting the calouses though
[23:08] <jussi01> trying to learn to finger pick atm
[23:09] <jussi01> house of the rising sun etc
[23:09] <ikonia> my fingers are dead
[23:09] <ikonia> in terms of skin
[23:09] <jussi01> dunno if Im doing it right, but meh...
[23:10] <ikonia> if it hurts, it's right
[23:10] <jussi01> ikonia: no, the plucking stuff...
[23:10] <jussi01> im following some random guide on the net
[23:11] <ikonia> ha ha
[23:11] <ikonia> random guide
[23:11] <Myrtti> meh.
[23:12] <jussi01> google ftw
[23:13] <jussi01> getting confused sometimes though...
[23:16]  * Myrtti yawns
[23:17] <jussi01> ok, bed time ide expect...
[23:18] <Myrtti> meh.
[23:18] <Myrtti> yeah, it would be smart
[23:46] <Myrtti> my eyes burn. now the 12yo is googling about lacoste shoes.
[23:48] <Seeker`> Myrtti: ?
[23:56] <Myrtti> well... he played runescape on my laptop for three hours
[23:56] <Myrtti> and after he was interrupted, he moved to shopping shoes.
[23:57] <Myrtti> note...
[23:57] <Myrtti> 2008-08-01 01:57:12
[23:58] <Seeker`> why is a 12yo on your laptop?
[23:58] <Myrtti> because I took over the desktop computer to scan it for viruses with live clamav cd on command prompt
[23:59] <Myrtti> and he couldn't play Runescape with it for the duration of the scans


[00:20]  * penguin42 wonders if theres a  way to get kvm/libvirt to reload its networking settings
[01:18] <dominicdinada> If i do iptables-save where does it save the file to ?
[01:32] <ziesemer_> dominicdinada:  Per the man page, nowhere - but to stdout.
[01:33] <dominicdinada> is that a file that contains the firewall then to import elsewhere
[01:34] <ziesemer_> Try "man iptables-save".  It mentions using IO redirection, as well as iptables-restore.
[01:36] <ziesemer_> So by default, it seems that every user account has a same-named group created, of which is the primary group for each user.  Should I do the same if using LDAP?  What would an advantage be over just using a generic "users" group?
[01:45] <dominicdinada> Hmm i still am not able to export it to bring it into firewall builder
[01:45] <ziesemer_> What is "firewall builder"?
[01:46] <ziesemer_> Maybe you just want "iptables -L >someFile" ?
[01:46] <dominicdinada> got it i think :P
[01:47] <dominicdinada> except it is a empty file :(
[01:48] <ziesemer_> sudo ?
[01:49] <dominicdinada> yes
[01:49] <dominicdinada> i take that back
[01:51] <dominicdinada> http://www.fwbuilder.org is the proggy btw
[02:34] <ziesemer_> I just setup LDAP for authentication, and ran "auth-client-config -t nss -p lac_ldap".  Why is pam_groupdn not working in /etc/ldap.conf ?
[03:07] <chewbranca> anyone have any thoughts on ubuntu server 10.04? I'm going to setup UEC tonight and I'm wondering if 10.04 is a good way to go, or if I should go with 9.10?
[03:08] <chewbranca> 10.04 on the desktop has not been very pleasant so far, for me and most everyone I know who has upgraded to it
[03:16] <owen1> does it make sense to use MinimalCD as a server? or should i just use the server and remove stuff i don't need? where can i see list of packages for each one?
[03:17] <KurtKraut> owen1, I don't think you'll find a list of packages installed by default. Only very small Linux distributions (like tinycore, puppy linux and damn small linux) bother to create such list
[03:19] <owen1> KurtKraut: but ubuntu has minimalCD as well. i am curious to know if it's used for servers?
[03:19] <KurtKraut> owen1, the minimal CD is minimal for Ubuntu but not a minimal Linux distribution.
[03:20] <KurtKraut> owen1, it is not like Damn Small Linux that provides you a full featured system in a 50mb ISO.
[03:20] <FrankLee> Hi. I'm looking to set up a solid home server base, that is also capable of running desktops/xserver on top. Basically want a server and desktop in one. Any one keen to share some ideas?
[03:21] <owen1> KurtKraut: ok. after i install minimalCD, i can't install ssh server and login to my new machine?
[03:21] <owen1> FrankLee: i am doing the same.
[03:21] <FrankLee> ahh that's handy
[03:21] <owen1> FrankLee: i am debating between ubuntu server+x or minimalCD+x
[03:22] <KurtKraut> owen1, if you install and configure openssh-server later, yes.
[03:22] <FrankLee> yes I was wondering the same. btw how do i direct a comment towards someone? not a big irc user.
[03:22] <owen1> FrankLee: what client do u use
[03:22] <owen1> try irssi. it's the best
[03:22] <FrankLee> quassel
[03:23] <owen1> i just start the nick of someone, and hit tab
[03:23] <owen1> and that the message
[03:23] <FrankLee> owen1: ah huh, very cool, cheers
[03:23] <KurtKraut> FrankLee, IRC clients tend to have autocompletion just like bash.
[03:23] <FrankLee> KurtKraut: thank-you
[03:23] <showmeurOface> ok
[03:24] <ziesemer_> What else could be caching authentication info?  I had configured LDAP, and I shutdown the only LDAP server.  A login for a user that exists only in LDAP is still working.  I don't have nscd installed.  Even rebooting the client host doesn't help - login still works.
[03:24] <KurtKraut> owen1, Have you seen the Ubuntu JeOS images? JeOS stands for 'just enough OS'. I think it is the minimium you can get with Ubuntu
[03:24] <owen1> KurtKraut: so if i really want lean machine (server or desktop) i should start with MinimalCD?
[03:24] <owen1> KurtKraut: let me google
[03:25] <KurtKraut> owen1, why are you so worried to get a minimum set up? Are you planing to install in a pendrive or in a small storage device?
[03:25] <owen1> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/jeos
[03:26] <owen1> KurtKraut: no, but that's a good idea. i just don't need all kind of stuff, like apache. i want nginx for example.
[03:26] <KurtKraut> owen1, the regular Ubuntu Sever install doesn't install Apache by default.
[03:29] <owen1> KurtKraut: interesting. so maybe i can stick to server then
[03:30] <KurtKraut> owen1, yes.
[03:31] <showmeurOface> stupid question but whats a good windows front end to build iptables firewalls ?
[03:33] <KurtKraut> showmeurOface, I wouldn't rely in any.
[03:36] <showmeurOface> Hmmm I was under the understanding iptables was ez :/
[03:37] <showmeurOface> maybe I should rephrase the question because firewall builder is awesome... but you gotta pay for it...
[03:38] <FrankLee> KurtKraut: So if I set up a ubuntu-server, what is the best way to ensure that remains running whilst being able to change between xservers?
[03:39] <showmeurOface> !ufw
[03:39] <KurtKraut> FrankLee, sorry, I don't understand your question.
[03:39] <FrankLee> KurtKraut: ie. If ubuntu freezes or something now. I end up needing to reboot the whole system to restore the xserver.
[03:40] <FrankLee> KurtKraut: So how to I kill x without killing the server side of things?
[03:40] <KurtKraut> FrankLee, press CTRL+F1 or access the server remotely by SSH and them run sudo gdm-restart
[03:42] <FrankLee> KurtKraut: ok, do you think running a solid server and a desktop on the same machine is visible?
[03:42] <KurtKraut> FrankLee, what kind of use you expect it as a server and what use as a desktop?
[03:43] <FrankLee> KurtKraut: At the moment I'm running freenas on an old box, that is pretty much flawless. But I feel that because my desktop is on 4-8hours a day anyway, why not combine the two.
[03:44] <KurtKraut> FrankLee, if it is for personal use, why do you describe it as 'solid', like something that you could not expect it to fail?
[03:46] <FrankLee> KurtKraut: Well I guess I just mean reliable. The main point is that shared folders, torrents etc don't go down because xserver has died etc.
[03:46] <KurtKraut> FrankLee, I think you won't find problems, but I suggest you to use a regular ubuntu desktop install for the job
[03:48] <FrankLee> KurtKraut: In that case, can I run nfs shared directories and torrents outside of ubuntu xserver/desktop?
[03:49] <KurtKraut> FrankLee, the easiest approach would be just using sshfs or mounting the folders via SSH in Gnome in the other LAN computers
[03:50] <FrankLee> Alright, I think what I'm getting is that a std ubuntu install will provide me with all I need because those needs are fairly basic. Yes?
[03:55] <KurtKraut> FrankLee, no. Because the desktop usage will require more packages that isn't bundled with the server install.
[03:55] <KurtKraut> FrankLee, I mean: it is easier to turn a regular desktop Ubuntu install into a server than the opposite direction
[03:56] <FrankLee> KurtKraut: Ah ok, I think that's what I meant but was not clear. My fault.
[03:56] <resno> is it possible to run a scsi server off sata or ide?
[04:00] <FrankLee> KurtKraut: Thanks for your time.
[04:21] <bogeyd6> FrankLee, wat
[04:23] <bogeyd6> xserver on my ubuntu servers?!?!?
[04:32] <Pirate_Hunter> can someone tell me where I can get info on the pam modules as I have just read the man for pam and pam.d and no reference is made of the actual modules?
[05:04] <bogeyd6> FrankLee, if you are trying to run xserver you should be in #ubuntu asking your questions
[05:04] <bogeyd6> resno, iscsi?
[05:07] <yaboo> installed ubuntu server 10.4 and the screen does not show or the sync is to high for my lcd
[05:08] <yaboo> during bootup, can i get top the grub screen
[05:08] <ziesemer_> yaboo: Hold down shift during boot?
[05:09] <yaboo> ziesemer_, thanks
[05:12] <yaboo> ziesemer_, thanks that works, what are the commands to make it just vga, and 60hz
[05:12] <yaboo> or do i use recovery mode
[05:12] <bogeyd6> resno, im leaving but you should look at openfiler if you are interested in running an iscsi server
[05:13] <ziesemer_> yaboo:  You're loading a GUI, that you're having the video issues?
[05:14] <ziesemer_> If so, try just using Ctrl+Alt+F1 to go to a text console.
[05:14] <yaboo> ziesemer_, get to get, then boot and lose video synvc
[05:15] <yaboo> tried that no go, its just default from a fresh install
[05:16] <ziesemer_> Are you running server or desktop?
[05:17] <yaboo> server
[05:17] <yaboo> cannot even install ssh to remote in
[05:17] <yaboo> clean fresh install, when booting lcd loses sync
[05:19] <ziesemer_> Not sure why you would be loosing sync for a text only console...
[05:25] <dominicdinada> yaboo:  Did you get it samba working correctly ?
[05:25] <dominicdinada> http://www,fwbuilder.org
[05:25] <dominicdinada> www.fwbuilder.org
[05:27] <yaboo> dominicdinada, no, does not work, seriously thinking going back to 9.1, that works
[05:27] <yaboo> ziesemer_, vbe mode is 101
[05:27] <dominicdinada> eh :(
[05:28] <yaboo> now that 10 does not give me console, cannot even log into the box
[05:28] <dominicdinada> sigh
[05:30] <dominicdinada> yaboo: stop breakin stuff :)
[05:30] <yaboo> dominicdinada, then ubuntu should work, not me it ubuntu, badly built
[05:31] <yaboo> never had issues with debian, but spents weeks configuring debian
[05:33] <owen1> i cancel capslock with xmodmap command. i want it to apply on boot so i put it in .xinitrc  it's not working on boot. what am i doing wrong?
[05:43] <yaboo> dominicdinada, ziesemer_ used another monitor it wored, but went to 1920x1600 res, does it auto detect console
[05:44] <yaboo> openssh-server is not on the cd, but need to get it off the net
[05:44] <dominicdinada> correct
[05:44] <dominicdinada> not sure about the monitor it should auto detect
[05:45] <yaboo> shows ubuntu is not ready for prime time
[05:47] <dominicdinada> heh
[05:47] <bogeyd6> LAWL
[05:47] <bogeyd6> yaboo, o rly?
[05:47] <dominicdinada> what did you set to  wake the cron up at prime time :O
[05:48] <yaboo> bogeyd6, if it does to me, imagine how much of a idiot i would be at work
[05:48] <bogeyd6> ignorance is the only enemy of ubuntu
[05:49] <dominicdinada> there actual were commands before about waking up cron at tea time, Prime time.......
[05:49] <yaboo> bogeyd6, its not ignorance its that it just does not work
[05:50] <bogeyd6> yaboo, so you installed ubuntu server and the console would not load on the monitor?
[05:51] <yaboo> yes bogeyd6
[05:51] <bogeyd6> but all of the install worked just fine
[05:51] <bogeyd6> rebooted and all the sudden no monitor?
[05:51] <yaboo> bogeyd6, yes
[05:52] <bogeyd6> yaboo, are you absolutely sure you were not trying to run the desktop
[05:53] <yaboo> bogeyd6, yes, been running server for the last two months
[05:53] <ziesemer_> What are you seeing now with the new monitor when you login?  Just a plain-text terminal?
[05:53] <bogeyd6> i didnt even know tha was possible
[05:54] <bogeyd6> all monitors accept default vga input
[05:54] <yaboo> bogeyd6, yes
[05:54] <grantbow> bogeyd6: I think I can find an exception in my closet
[05:55] <bogeyd6> i guess if the HW is old enough it might not work as expected
[05:55] <ziesemer_> yaboo:  Can you confirm that you are now seeing only a plain-text terminal?
[05:56] <bogeyd6> i one time had a problem with a kvm network switch not showing the monitor, turned out to be a bad cable
[05:56] <yaboo> ziesemer_, absolutely
[05:56] <bogeyd6> ziesemer_, :P
[05:56] <ziesemer_> I guess it may be too high of a mode?
[05:56] <yaboo> ziesemer_, one assumes so
[05:56] <bogeyd6> yaboo, you should be in #ubuntu asking for support
[05:56] <ziesemer_> Which I'm guessing can be manually specified on the grub command line - though I don't recall what it is exactly.
[05:56] <bogeyd6> we dont support xserver/gnome/kde/etc
[05:56] <yaboo> bogeyd6, thought it was a server issue
[05:57] <yaboo> bogeyd6, only use the commandline
[05:58] <grantbow> can you ssh after rebooting?
[05:58] <yaboo> grantbow yes once i configured ppoe and installed openssh-server
[06:03] <grantbow> you said above you couldn't log in, now you can?
[06:03] <yaboo> yes via ssh once i alsp changed the lcd monitor on the box
[06:04] <yaboo> ok server working, now to fix samba
[06:34] <yaboo> anyone using samba under 10
[06:35] <jpds> yaboo: Children using Samba?
[06:37] <sporedi> which is simple  mail server comes with ubuntu 10 server
[07:34] <claudiouss> hello
[07:34] <claudiouss> can anybody help me??
[07:35] <claudiouss> i just installed Ubuntu Server 10.04, but i have a problem
[07:39] <blue-frog> if you don't say the problem you might wait forever the answer
[07:40] <ziesemer_> !ask
[07:41] <quentusrex> Anyone know about the apport bug: Error connecting to Launchpad: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'makefile'
[07:41] <claudiouss> ok, i'm sorry
[07:41] <quentusrex> apport is unable to connect to launchpad, and I can't seem to get more debug output than that.
[07:47] <jpds> quentusrex: Try #launchpad.
[07:47] <claudiouss> i just installed ubuntu server 10.04, with a RAID 1 config, following this instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/advanced-installation.html - tthe installation completed successfully, but when the computer restarts, MOUNTING errors appear and it says "No init found. Try passing init=bootarg.  BusyBox v1.13.3
[07:49] <blue-frog> wow first line I read about the raid description and horrified am I. "reducing ... data loss" almost saying backup is no use when you have raid.
[07:50] <jpds> blue-frog: Are you reading RAID0's description?
[07:51] <blue-frog> the link you gave us yes
[07:51] <claudiouss> RAID 1... mirror disk
[07:54] <blue-frog> claudiouss, don't know. need to install one with 10.04. might be a bug. might be something went wrong. try again once.
[07:55] <claudiouss> what if i try with a old version of Ubuntu Server... maybe 9.04, if it works, can i update after and get someting like 10.04??
[08:08] <yaboo> think 10.04 is buggy
[08:09] <claudiouss> yaboo, So what version do you recommend?
[08:10] <yaboo> 9.04, everything worked for me, upgradec to 10.04 and nothing works
[08:10] <yaboo> squid, samba
[08:11] <claudiouss> 64bits?
[08:11] <yaboo> 32bits
[08:11] <claudiouss> my computer is an Intel Core i3
[08:12] <claudiouss> should i use 64bits right?
[08:12] <yaboo> claudiouss: do not know
[08:13] <claudiouss> ok.. i'll try ubuntu server 9.04
[08:13] <yaboo> going to downgrade now
[08:13] <claudiouss> thanks yaboo
[08:15] <jpds> claudiouss: I would use 10.04 as it's an LTS release.
[08:15]  * jpds reads scrollback.
[08:16] <blue-frog> claudiouss, do you really need raid?
[08:16] <claudiouss> that's what i installed
[08:17] <claudiouss> hmmm, there ir other method to auto backup de disk into another disk??
[08:17] <claudiouss> hmmm, there ir another method to auto backup the disk into another disk??
[08:17] <blue-frog> claudiouss, well raid is definitely not a backup solution
[08:18] <claudiouss> is not??
[08:18] <blue-frog> not
[08:18] <blue-frog> has nothing to do wiht backup
[08:18] <blue-frog> unfortunately the server guide page is misleading
[08:19] <claudiouss> but, RAID 1?
[08:20] <blue-frog> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
[08:21] <claudiouss> "RAID 1 mirrors the contents of the disks" that's what i need
[08:21] <claudiouss> in case of failure of one
[08:25] <blue-frog> ah good one one that page. search for RAID is not data backup on that link
[08:47] <yaboo> claudiouss: go 9 10 is faulty
[09:00] <yaboo> does ufw block traffic outside the machine
[09:12] <yaboo> other than ufw how does one setup iptables in ubuntu
[09:18] <lingm> My computer is connected online via eth0. I want other devices to be able to connect to it via wireless and use it's connection to go online. How do I do this? (or is this the wrong channel to ask in?)
[09:20] <Ellement> upon installation of ubuntu server 10.04 is get the following "starting system log daemon: syslogd, klogd" it then hangs. any work arounds?
[09:22] <Tweeda_> media wiki depends on mysql server... context switch much?
[09:30] <yaboo> need to take back afew bad things i sad about server 10
[10:10] <dominicdinada> yaboo: what did you mess up and then fix
[10:20] <yaboo> dominicdinada: seem ufw is the culprit switch off ufw and samba works
[10:21] <dominicdinada> well i told you just add an exception last night for it
[10:21] <dominicdinada> lol
[10:21] <yaboo> tried that did zero
[10:21] <dominicdinada> hmmm its not accepting the changes?
[10:22] <dominicdinada> check out this program it might help
[10:22] <yaboo> went back to my custom iptables scrit it works
[10:22] <dominicdinada> http://www.fwbuilder.org
[10:22] <dominicdinada> can i check your script out ? trying to get a general idea for mine
[10:22] <yaboo> nope gui, avoid on the server
[10:22] <yaboo> yeah sure
[10:23] <dominicdinada> you can make then then import them i believe
[10:24] <yaboo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/430474/
[10:24] <dominicdinada> ok thanks
[11:09] <sporedi> can you please tell me which is simple mail server comes with ubuntu  ,for soho office
[11:10] <Tweeda_> sporedi, I think postfix is the default these days.  mail isn't simple tho
[11:11] <sporedi> ok
[11:18] <sporedi> Tweeda_: do u have any idea on postfix ,do u use it .....
[11:19] <Tweeda_> sporedi, I know enough to get myself into trouble.
[11:20] <sporedi> can i trouble u some more ,to help me
[11:23] <Tweeda_> sporedi, just ask.  somebody may know
[11:23] <sporedi> ok
[12:06] <_Trullo> I have 3 fans, red/blue/black wire, the blue one is for the rpm.. can I attach only the blue on to the motherboard?
[12:19] <penguin42> where were you going to connect the red and black
[12:19] <_Trullo> directly to the psu
[12:20] <_Trullo> I don't think the motherboard can power the 120x120x38 highspeed fan
[12:20] <_Trullo> and I got more of them
[12:20] <penguin42> I think that should be OK
[12:21] <_Trullo> do you think I can connect 3 fans to the same motherboard pin?
[12:21] <penguin42> doubt it
[12:22] <_Trullo> yeah I have no idea really..
[12:23] <penguin42> you don't have to connect the rpm pin at all - but you won't be able to tell if it fails
[12:25] <_Trullo> the fan is really noisy now so i need to lower the rpm
[12:26] <_Trullo> and I thought I should connect 3 fans to the same motherboard pin
[12:26] <_Trullo> the power is all from the psu anyway..
[12:38] <penguin42> oh that won't work - get yourself a fan speed controller
[13:15] <_Trullo> yeah, I guess that's the only option
[15:52] <slackster> hi, I get a message "Your CPU appears to be lacking expected security protections."
[15:53] <slackster> /usr/lib/update-notifier/check-bios-nx --verbose <- command not found
[15:53] <slackster> something I should worry about?
[15:56] <slackster> http://pastebin.com/mdX1cwUn  cat /proc/cpuinfo
[16:12] <halvors> Somone know how to fix the dovecot musieve bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-release-notes/+bug/516040
[16:19] <halvors> ???
[16:20] <handheldCar> u triggered a helpful bot
[17:10] <jo-erlend> cjwatson, I just tried to install a kvm guest with lucid server and then desktop using alternate. I added some raid devices and even though the install seems fine, it's not able to boot it. I only get "error: no such disk." and then a grub resque prompt.
[17:11] <jo-erlend> cjwatson, I've been reading some bug reports on lp, which is why I'm telling you. I though these bugs were supposed to have been fixed? Is it just for virtio-disks, perhaps, that it still doesn't work?
[17:11] <cjwatson> jo-erlend: I tested with virtio not that long ago and it seemed ok
[17:11] <cjwatson> jo-erlend: I'd need you to extract /var/log/installer/syslog and /var/log/installer/partman from that installation and attach them to a bug, I guess
[17:11] <cjwatson> at least for starters
[17:12] <cjwatson> "reading some bug reports on lp" - probably best not to, it'll only be confusing :)
[17:12] <jo-erlend> indeed :)
[17:12] <jo-erlend> but I'll extract those files immediately.
[17:13] <cjwatson> so I did have to patch grub2 a bit to get raid-on-virtio to work
[17:13] <cjwatson> maybe that fell out by mistake due to a subsequent patch, or something
[17:13] <cjwatson> it's not impossible as that was all very delicate
[17:13] <Smaakage> Hi,
[17:14] <cjwatson> basically what I need is a clear reproduction recipe so that I can go and repeat your procedure
[17:14] <Smaakage> Can somebody help me with install mysql server.. Can't get it working after updating to 10.04
[17:15] <jo-erlend> cjwatson, if I were on something other than a 3g connection, I could've uploaded the entire vm or at least given you access to it. :)
[17:15] <jo-erlend> but if all you need are those files, then you'll have them shortly.
[17:15] <cjwatson> those files and a step-by-step description of what you did
[17:16] <cjwatson> since it's kvm I assume it's repeatable
[17:16] <cjwatson> the log files are basically just in case there's something obvious in them, and also so that I have a machine-readable description of your partitioning layout
[17:17] <Smaakage> no body there can help me with my buged mysql-server install?
[17:17] <Smaakage> I used apt-get install mysql-server
[17:17] <Smaakage> then it got stuck with:
[17:17] <Smaakage> Setting up mysql-server-5.1 (5.1.41-3ubuntu12) ...
[17:18] <Smaakage> Have ben stuck in 10 minuts now.
[17:18] <ikonia> what's up ?
[17:18] <Smaakage> And it frosend..
[17:19] <ikonia> have you killed it and attempted to re-install it ?
[17:20] <Smaakage> Yes, and i also tryed to apt-get -p remove mysql-server but when i type mysql then it says that it could't connect to the mysql..
[17:21] <Smaakage> Is there any way where i can delete all files mysql are using and then install it again?
[17:23] <Smaakage> it stops with:
[17:23] <Smaakage> Setting up mysql-server-core-5.1 (5.1.41-3ubuntu12) ...
[17:23] <Smaakage> Setting up mysql-server-5.1 (5.1.41-3ubuntu12) ...
[17:23] <Smaakage> and when i see the prosecc tree it stops with:
[17:23] <Smaakage> start mysql
[17:24] <Smaakage> then i killed it:
[17:24] <Smaakage> Setting up mysql-server (5.1.41-3ubuntu12) ...
[17:24] <Smaakage> Processing triggers for libc-bin ...
[17:24] <Smaakage> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[17:24] <jo-erlend> cjwatson, http://pastebin.com/wMFNcdk6
[17:25] <cjwatson> jo-erlend: please file a bug about it, I'll lose it if you just put it on IRC I'm afraid
[17:25] <cjwatson> jo-erlend: use the debian-installer source package in Ubuntu
[17:25] <Smaakage> start mysql
[17:25] <Smaakage> start: Job is already running: mysql
[17:26] <Smaakage> mysql
[17:26] <Smaakage> ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[17:26] <jo-erlend> cjwatson, oh, ok. :)
[17:27] <ikonia> Smaakage: look if that socket file is there and if mysql is actually running
[17:27] <Smaakage> there is no files in /var/run/mysqld/
[17:28] <Smaakage> And i can't see the mysql server online in webmin
[17:28] <JanC> ugh, webmin
[17:28] <jo-erlend> cjwatson, what package should I attach the bug to?
[17:29] <jo-erlend> heh, sorry... :)
[17:29] <jo-erlend> I just read your message above.
[17:29] <Smaakage> any?
[17:30] <AdamDV> Smaakage: Try sudo apt-get remove mysql-server mysql --purge && sudo apt-get install mysql mysql-server
[17:32] <Smaakage> deon.
[17:32] <Smaakage> done*
[17:32] <Smaakage> service mysql start
[17:32] <Smaakage> start: Job is already running: mysql
[17:32] <Smaakage> then i:
[17:33] <Smaakage> service mysql stop
[17:33] <Smaakage> and now it is stuck again.
[17:33] <ikonia> Smaakage: webmin ??? that won't work with ubuntu's current config style
[17:34] <ikonia> Smaakage: check if mysql is actually running with ps
[17:34] <ikonia> Smaakage: also look for a run file
[17:34] <Smaakage> ps?
[17:34] <AdamDV> ps -A
[17:34] <AdamDV> Try ps -A | grep mysql
[17:34] <AdamDV> Also,
[17:34]  * AdamDV hisses at webmin
[17:35] <AdamDV> brb, reboot
[17:35] <Smaakage> 1288 ?        00:00:00 pure-ftpd-mysql
[17:35] <Smaakage> Only that one there is showed
[17:36] <ikonia> Smaakage: ok - so it's not running, so it must be a run file
[17:37] <Smaakage> ok, what can i do then?
[17:39] <ikonia> find the run file and remove the wrong pid from it
[17:39] <Smaakage> how?
[17:39] <ikonia> look in the init script for where it stores the pid file (/var/run I think) and remove it
[17:42] <halvors> Somone know how to fix the dovecot musieve bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-release-notes/+bug/516040
[17:42] <Smaakage> i can't find it ikonia
[17:42] <jo-erlend> cjwatson, it seems that my internet connection is too slow to file bugs on launchpad. I keep getting timeouts.
[17:42] <jo-erlend> cjwatson, can I send you an email instead?
[17:42] <cjwatson> jo-erlend: you can e-mail me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:43] <jo-erlend> great. Thanks.
[17:44] <Smaakage> PID=$
[17:45] <ikonia> Smaakage: where in the init script does it say the pid file is kept
[17:50] <JanC> /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock is the default, not sure if webmin does weird things with the config though  ;)
[17:51] <JanC> Smaakage: normally you can find it in /etc/mysql/my.cnf but check out whether webmin doesn't use its own config file instead
[17:52] <znuff-mobile> Hi
[17:52] <znuff-mobile> I'm stuck installing ubuntu 10.4 on server
[17:53] <znuff-mobile> The partitioner doesn't want to mount and format ext4
[17:53] <znuff-mobile> I'm using hardware raid
[17:54] <znuff-mobile> Only thing that works is ext2, but that fails at the mount step: (
[17:55] <halvors> How can i fix the bug?
[17:55] <halvors> Somone know how to fix the dovecot musieve bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-release-notes/+bug/516040
[17:56] <jo-erlend> cjwatson, you have mail. Please let me know if there is anything more you need.
[17:57] <JanC> halvors: it's explained in the bug report how to fix that?
[17:57] <JanC> as well as in the release notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes#Dovecot%20cmusieve%20plugin%20renamed%20to%20sieve
[17:57] <halvors> but i can find the file
[17:58] <halvors> i have not the
[17:58] <halvors> mail_plugins = sieve
[17:58] <halvors> in my dovecot.conf
[17:58] <halvors> so with command should i run?
[17:59] <JanC> did you read https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-release-notes/+bug/516040/comments/6 ?
[18:08] <halvors> I got it, thanks ;)
[18:12] <Smaakage> there is no file in /etc/mysql/
[18:15] <Smaakage> any?
[18:17] <mcas> Smaakage: i have my.cnf and conf.d folder in there
[18:17] <mcas> hi txwikinger :-)
[18:18] <txwikinger> hi mcas
[18:22] <Smaakage> I do not..
[18:23] <Smaakage> how do i make a total reinstall of all files mysql are using?
[18:23] <mcas> have you tried to reinstall mysql-server?
[18:24] <Smaakage> i have done apt-get remove -purge mysql-server
[18:24] <Smaakage> many times..
[18:24] <Smaakage> Do not help.
[18:24] <mcas> have you make an apt-get update before reinstall?
[18:25] <Smaakage> yes
[18:25] <mcas> you could try to remove the mysql-server package from /var/cache/apt/archives
[18:26] <mcas> this should let you download the package from the server
[18:26] <Smaakage> It did. But diden't help.
[18:28] <mcas> Smaakage: which ubuntu version?
[18:28] <mrlemao> I would like to have ubuntu+all my development tool in a memory stick: plug that guy on any computer and use it as it were yours without touching the host HD/etc. Is there a Ubuntu distribution that can help me with that?
[18:29] <Smaakage> the news. 10.04
[18:29] <Smaakage> new*
[18:29] <mcas> mrlemao: you could use a vmware player on usb stick
[18:30] <Smaakage> I updated from: 8.10 to 9.04 to 9.10 and then 10.04
[18:30] <Smaakage> And mysql worked on 9.10
[18:30] <Smaakage> but when i updated to 10.04 it diden't work.
[18:33] <Smaakage> :s¨
[18:33] <Smaakage> nobody?
[18:34] <mcas> Smaakage: sorry i am running out of ideas
[18:35] <Smaakage> ok :/
[18:35] <ikonia> Smaakage: find the pid file, that's key
[18:35] <ikonia> Smaakage: stop using webmin - that's also the key
[18:36] <Smaakage> I have another servere where i updated from 9.10 to 10.04 and the mysql server works fine on that. There is also webmin on..
[18:37] <ikonia> webmin is not the problem (probably) however it will cause you problems as it's not supported by ubuntu, has a tone of security issues, and compatible with a lot of ubuntu's config files layouts
[18:38] <Smaakage> Ok, what if i uninstall it then?
[18:38] <ikonia> I don't think that will resolve your issue
[18:39] <ikonia> your current issue is that the init script thinks the pid file exists and has a valid pid in it, you need to remove that file or the contents of that file
[18:39] <Smaakage> How do i find the name of the pid file?
[18:40] <ikonia> Smaakage: it should be referenced in the init file, or in the my.cnf file
[18:40] <Smaakage> I deleted the my.cnf file :s
[18:40] <ikonia> in the init script sorry - or the my.cnf file
[18:40] <ikonia> Smaakage: why did you delete that ?
[18:40] <Smaakage> Don't know :s
[18:40] <ikonia> that's simpley stupid
[18:40] <ikonia> more so if it's for no reason
[18:41] <ikonia> search the file system for mysql.run (as I recall it's called that)
[18:41] <mcas> Smaakage: i think i have not read everything about your problem ;-)
[18:42] <Smaakage> conf.d  debian.cnf
[18:42] <ikonia> errr no
[18:42] <Smaakage> That all the files in /etc/mysql# ls
[18:43] <Smaakage> whereis mysql.run
[18:43] <Smaakage> mysql: /usr/bin/mysql /etc/mysql /usr/lib/mysql /usr/share/mysql /usr/share/man/man1/mysql.1.gz
[18:43] <mcas> Smaakage: find / -name mysql.run
[18:46] <Smaakage> root@localhost:~# find / -name mysql.run
[18:46] <Smaakage> root@localhost:~#
[18:46] <Smaakage> No output
[18:47] <Smaakage> :s
[18:49] <pmatulis> Smaakage: please study this bug, you might be affected by it
[18:49] <pmatulis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.1/+bug/566736
[18:56] <Smaakage> Do not help me :s
[18:56] <Smaakage> dos*
[18:58] <Smaakage> How can i backup the databases then?
[18:59] <Smaakage> ?
[18:59] <pmatulis> Smaakage: did you run the init script manually?
[19:00] <Smaakage> by /etc/init.d/mysql ?
[19:00] <pmatulis> Smaakage: or upstart, whatevery mysql uses in lucid
[19:00] <JanC> it uses upstart
[19:00] <Smaakage> upstart?
[19:01] <pmatulis> Smaakage: yeah
[19:01] <JanC> and I won't be surprised if webmin doesn't work well with it  ;)
[19:01] <Smaakage> I have removed webmin
[19:02] <Smaakage> Removing mysql-server ...
[19:02] <Smaakage> Removing mysql-server-5.1 ...
[19:02] <Smaakage> stop: Unknown instance:
[19:02] <Smaakage> Removing mysql-server-core-5.1 ...
[19:02] <Smaakage> Processing triggers for man-db ...
[19:02] <Smaakage> Processing triggers for ureadahead ...
[19:03] <pmatulis> Smaakage: you're removing mysql now?
[19:03] <Smaakage> yes
[19:03] <Smaakage> And when i try to install again it get stuck at
[19:03] <Smaakage> Setting up mysql-server-5.1 (5.1.41-3ubuntu12) ...
[19:04] <JanC> oh, and your databases are in /var/lib/mysql/ in case you need them
[19:05] <Smaakage> Yes, but when i try to restore them on another server it, it says there are no tables in there.
[19:06] <pmatulis> Smaakage: do you have a backup of your data?
[19:08] <Smaakage> Yes i have a backup of alle the files in /var/lib/mysql/
[19:08] <Smaakage> all*
[19:10] <chewbranca> hey I'm getting: "ubuntu4_amd64.deb was corrupt" while installing UEC, any ideas?
[19:11] <chewbranca> this is on 10.04 btw
[19:13] <Smaakage> :s no ideers?
[19:13] <pmatulis> Smaakage: one option is to start fresh then
[19:13] <Smaakage> start: Job failed to start
[19:13] <Smaakage> Setting up mysql-server (5.1.41-3ubuntu12) ...
[19:13] <Smaakage> Processing triggers for libc-bin ...
[19:13] <Smaakage> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[19:13] <Smaakage> start fresh?
[19:15] <pmatulis> Smaakage: you said it hung on 'Setting up...', now you have different output
[19:16] <Smaakage> No..
[19:16] <chewbranca> lame
[19:16] <chewbranca> definitely corrupt
[19:16] <chewbranca> trying to download again
[19:16] <Smaakage> Setting up mysql-server-core-5.1 (5.1.41-3ubuntu12) ...
[19:17] <Smaakage> Setting up mysql-server-5.1 (5.1.41-3ubuntu12) ...
[19:17] <Smaakage> start: Job failed to start
[19:17] <Smaakage> Setting up mysql-server (5.1.41-3ubuntu12) ...
[19:17] <Smaakage> Processing triggers for libc-bin ...
[19:17] <Smaakage> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[19:17] <pmatulis> chewbranca: you need to clean out your package cache
[19:17] <Smaakage> I have tryed that ones?
[19:17] <chewbranca> pmatulis, package cache?
[19:17] <pmatulis> chewbranca: 'apt-get clean'
[19:17] <chewbranca> pmatulis, I was installing this fresh in a new virtual box vm
[19:18] <chewbranca> would my local package cache on the host os mess with that
[19:18] <pmatulis> chewbranca: but you have a corrupt package apparantly
[19:18] <chewbranca> pmatulis, this is just from the 10.04 iso, just running through the base install process, hit this during 'install base system'
[19:19] <pmatulis> chewbranca: ah
[19:19] <Smaakage> How do i restare the files from /var/lib/mysql/ on another ubuntu 10.04 server?
[19:19] <chewbranca> I just redownloaded the image, giving that a try, otherwise going back to 9.10 because that works on here
[19:19] <Smaakage> restore*
[19:21] <pmatulis> chewbranca: alright, make sure to verify the checksum
[19:22] <Smaakage> How do i restore the files from /var/lib/mysql/ on another ubuntu 10.04 server?
[19:22] <chewbranca> pmatulis, that would be a good idea, don't even see a checksum on http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-server
[19:23] <chewbranca> oh well, just did the test-integrity option on the new iso and it checks out
[19:23] <chewbranca> so should be good to go
[19:24] <chewbranca> there we go
[19:25] <chewbranca> base system is chugging along
[19:25] <Smaakage> #1017 - Can't find file: './wiihosting_gcp/billing.frm' (errno: 13)
[19:25] <Smaakage> but the file is there? :s
[19:26] <rapha> Hi all!
[19:26] <rapha> How do you upgrade Ubuntu Server 9.10 to 10.04?
[19:26] <RoyK> do-release-upgrade
[19:26] <rapha> thanks RoyK ! :)
[19:28] <RoyK> or you can do it the redhat way - purchace a CD and reinstall
[19:29] <rapha> well i only have remote access to them
[19:29] <rapha> the hoster doesnt install anything else but 9.10
[19:29] <RoyK> it was meant to be a joke :)
[19:29] <rapha> interesting ... started the upgrade on 3 identical servers at the same time, but they progress at different speeds
[19:29] <rapha> oh now i get it sry RoyK :)
[19:30] <Smaakage> How do i remove mysql-server total?
[19:30] <RoyK> wouldn't it be better to just upgrade one first to see if it works out?
[19:30] <RoyK> apt-get remove --purge?
[19:31] <rapha> RoyK: if it doesnt i'll just hit the "reinstall" button in the web interface *shrug*
[19:31] <rapha> it's a fresh minimal install though, so why wouldn't it work
[19:34] <RoyK> it probably will
[19:35] <Smaakage> start mysql
[19:35] <Smaakage> start: Job failed to start
[19:35] <RoyK> apt-get remove --purge
[19:35] <RoyK> also, check the logs
[19:37] <rapha> RoyK: it says /etc/sysctl.conf was modified ... keep, replace?
[19:38] <RoyK> if you haven't changed anything yourself, just replace
[19:38] <Smaakage> Diden't work at all RoyK
[19:38] <RoyK> same with all files
[19:38] <rapha> k thx
[19:38] <RoyK> Smaakage: pastebin errors
[19:41] <Smaakage> I have send the link in PM
[19:43] <Smaakage> Can you see it?
[19:44] <RoyK> no, you didn't. just give the pastebin link here
[19:44] <Smaakage> http://pastebin.com/YtqHY2F4
[19:45] <slackster> hi, I get a message "Your CPU appears to be lacking expected security protections."
[19:46] <slackster> I ran  -> /usr/lib/update-notifier/check-bios-nx --verbose <- command not found
[19:46] <slackster> anyone have any ideas?
[19:46] <slackster> http://pastebin.com/mdX1cwUn  cat /proc/cpuinfo
[19:46] <penguin42> slackster: I'm not sure where that was supposed to come from - it's not in the apt-file list for lucid
[19:47] <slackster> penguin42: I see..
[19:47] <penguin42> oh I lie, it's part of cpu-checker
[19:47] <rapha> hmmm i have 4 servers to run a rails app (will need about 5 x 10 thins) ... one of them is already fully set up, also with lighttpd and mysql. i wonder if it would make sense to have the three others run *only* the thins and be served the requests by proxying from the first one and access the mysql database of the first one as well
[19:48] <penguin42> rapha: I'd make sure you can cope with a failure of the one running mysql
[19:48] <Smaakage> Can you see it RoyK?
[19:49] <rapha> penguin42: it has a pretty redundant setup and is known to be very reliable, whereas the other three are brand new (i'll only have them during the World Championship 2010, for about 3 months from now on)
[19:50] <rapha> penguin42: they're all interconnected with 100 MBit - i could maybe get GBit networking between them but not sure about that
[19:50] <RoyK> Smaakage: why install mysql-server* ?
[19:50] <RoyK> you probably just need the base install
[19:50] <RoyK> not all the other crap
[19:50] <Smaakage> I can start the server manualy?
[19:50] <Smaakage> sudo -u mysql mysqld
[19:51] <Smaakage> But not with start mysql
[19:51] <penguin42> rapha: I don't know about setting up something of that size, sounds like a fun little project :-)
[19:51] <RoyK> /etc/init.d/mysql-server
[19:51] <RoyK> start
[19:54] <rapha> penguin42: yeah, every World or European Championship again ... 2006, 2008, and now for 2010 in South Africa
[20:17] <halvors> I have a problem, aliases does no0t work on my email server
[20:18] <halvors> when i send email to an emailadrss who should resend it to a other email i get the error
[20:18] <halvors> http://paste.ubuntu.com/430717/
[20:19] <halvors> ???
[20:22] <halvors> No ideas?
[20:22] <mcas> your server cannot relay mails for your domain
[20:24] <halvors> how can i fix it
[20:24] <halvors> should i remove relayhost=
[20:24] <halvors> paramenter in postfix main.cf
[20:24] <halvors> ??
[20:25] <rapha> cool
[20:25] <rapha> set all three of the new servers up and made cool Huey, Dewy and Louie ASCII art /etc/motd's
[20:25] <halvors> ?
[20:26] <rapha> :-)))
[20:28] <halvors> I mean about my problem
[20:29] <guntbert> halvors: is your mail server publicly reachable?
[20:30] <halvors> yes
[20:30] <halvors> i think so
[20:31] <halvors> who port need to be forwerded?
[20:31] <halvors> also all email ports
[20:31] <halvors> should it relayhost = or noting to send direcly?
[20:32] <halvors> ?
[20:33] <halvors> ?
[20:33] <guntbert> halvors: as I already suggested: please take it off the internet immediately  -- play with it /read docu in a private environment until you know what you are doing -- only then connect it to the internet again
[20:33] <halvors> who docs should i read?
[20:34] <halvors> when i take it off internet, i cant test it
[20:34] <halvors> only ask: should it relayhost = or noting to send direcly?
[20:37] <guntbert> halvors: you do have an internal network, don't you? if not you probably don't need a mail server anyway, you can start reading https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/email-services.html  -- smtp servers are problematic beasts to handle  -- open mail relays can get you into a lot of trouble
[20:40] <halvors> should postfix have chroot?
[20:42] <rapha> what the heck?!?! where do the rubygems from the repository but the installed gems' binaries to?!
[20:53] <federico_> Hi, I've installed mysql server in a ubuntu server, but I can't access it from a pc of the LAN. I've changed the bind-address = <IP_ADDRESS> in /etc/mysql/my.cnf, but still doesn't work.
[20:55] <federico_> Hi, I've installed mysql server in a ubuntu server, but I can't access it from a pc of the LAN. I've changed the bind-address = <IP_ADDRESS> in /etc/mysql/my.cnf, but still doesn't work.
[21:08] <bc> federico_: `telnet localhost 3306` to see if it's listening.
[21:09] <bc> federico_: also `sudo iptables -L -n` and make sure you aren't dropping connections.
[21:10] <federico_> I'll try
 telnet works
and iptables says ACCEPT in everywhere
[21:14] <bc> federico_: try it targeting eth0 instead of lo
[21:16] <bc> federico_: try it from another machine also (telnet) and make sure you do not get 'x.x.x.x isn't allowed to access this mysql server'. if you do, then you need to grant access in the mysql database.
[21:21] <rapha> f***! wife kept stressing me, accidentally rm -rf'd /usr/bin/*
[21:23] <rapha> i got a backup ... anybody know of a good way of how to restore them without local access?
[21:23] <rapha> (still logged in via ssh)
[21:24] <federico_> bc: Trying <IP_ADDRESS>...
[21:24] <federico_> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[21:24] <federico_> that's my problem
[21:27] <bc> federico_: two computers on the same network? anything in between you and <IP_ADDRESS>? if you telnet to 3306 on <IP_ADDRESS> from <IP_ADDRESS> does it work?
[21:27] <lenios> federico_, does "netstat -nat | grep LISTEN" shows it's listening from any source address?
[21:28] <federico_> bc: the telnet doesn't work
[21:28] <federico_> I did
[21:28] <federico_> telnet <IP_ADDRESS> 3306
[21:29] <federico_> and didn't work
[21:29] <bc> federico_: check the IP address in ifconfig eth0 | grep inet
 for what?
[21:32] <bc> federico_: well it should say <IP_ADDRESS>. If it doesn't then...
[21:33] <federico_> bc: the telnet works from <IP_ADDRESS> to <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:33] <dominicdinada> \
[21:33] <bc> federico_: and iptables is accepting all? what other devices are between <IP_ADDRESS> and the other LAN clients?
[21:35] <federico_> UEC
[21:35] <bc> federico_: also make sure you've granted access to the remote IP. http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/connection-access.html
[21:37] <bc> federico_: although I don't think you should be seeing 'connection refused' if it's listening on <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:41] <federico_> how can I turn down the firewall(iptables)?
[21:42] <bc> federico_: if `sudo iptables -L` says 'policy ACCEPT' for them all, and no reject or drop rules, then you have no active firewall.
[21:46] <federico_> check this output
[21:46] <federico_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/430744/
[21:46] <dominicdinada> bc: what is a good site with iptables for download like preconfigured so i can take a look ?
[21:47] <bc> federico_: just do this and then test the connection: sudo iptables -F
[21:47] <federico_> there is no output
[21:47] <dominicdinada> sudo iptables-save
[21:48] <dominicdinada> check that output
[21:48] <bc> federico_: right, now look at sudo iptables -L
[21:48] <bc> dominicdinada: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo
[21:48] <dominicdinada> save is printed so he can better read it
[21:48] <dominicdinada> bc yeah thats the howto but i am looking for real world working examples from networks
[21:49] <federico_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/430745/
[21:49] <federico_> it's empty now
[21:49] <bc> dominicdinada: I don't know of one. Maybe google for iptables gateway
[21:49] <dominicdinada> ok
[21:50] <bc> federico_: good, now test the telnet to 3306, and if it doesn't work, then iptables isn't the problem
[21:50] <federico_> from what pc?
[21:50] <bc> federico_: any pc on the same network
[21:50] <federico_> federico@ubuntuCloud:~$ telnet <IP_ADDRESS> 3306
[21:50] <federico_> Trying <IP_ADDRESS>...
[21:50] <federico_> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[21:51] <rapha> woah
[21:51] <rapha> got it running again
[21:51] <rapha> all hail sftp
[21:51] <bc> federico_: did you restart mysql after changing bind address?
[21:51] <federico_> yes, but I'll do it again
[21:52] <bc> federico_: I'm at a loss then. if it's listening on all interfaces, and iptables isn't blocking the connection, then something else between you two are blocking the connection.
[21:53] <rapha> bye all!
[21:53] <federico_> I'm testing this on UEC, the mysql is running in an UEC instance
[21:53] <RoyK> does anyone use telnet login these days?
[21:53] <federico_> no
[21:54] <RoyK> we have some crappy solaris 8 machines with it
[21:54] <bc> federico_: are you able to acces any other services remotely? like port 80?
[21:54] <RoyK> too old to support decent openssh
[21:54] <bc> federico_: I'm assuming direct port 22 access is working from another local IP address
[21:55] <federico_> yes
[21:55] <federico_> I'm using ssh fien
[21:55] <federico_> fine
[21:56] <bc> federico_: I'm completely clueless about any cloud access problems though. on the lan here, if I bind to <IP_ADDRESS>, flush iptables, and then telnet to the server from a local IP, I get a response from mysql.
[21:56] <federico_> u.u
[22:03] <bc> federico_: check the mysql log to see if there are any errors, like problems with writing somewhere
[22:03] <bc> federico_: outside of that, I'm out of ideas
[22:04] <federico_> bc: thanks for all, I think it's the UEC, because I did the same steps and it works in another pc
[22:05] <bc> federico_: I googled a bit, and some people seem to have had problems with other services. one problem was permissions on /tmp, and there was some other problems with eucalyptus, but, again, I have no idea what I'm talking about when it comes to UEC.
[22:07] <RoyK> mysql normally doesn't listen to anything but localhost iirc
[22:08] <bc> RoyK: he changed bind address
[22:08] <RoyK> check netstat -ln --tcp
[22:08] <RoyK> ok
[22:09] <RoyK> and removed skip-networking in the cf?


[03:42] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> !ubuntupro
[22:36] <ice9> if bug is reported on launchpad for 22.10 and has not been fixed yet, and that bug still exist on 23.04, should I file a new bug for the same issue or just comment on the old report?
[22:39] <Jeremy31> ice9: I would file a new report
[22:49] <ice9> on 23.04 "mutter" is not installed, so how gnome-shell handle window management?
[22:51] <leftyfb> ice9: apt policy mutter-common
[22:57] <ice9> I would really love if Canonical fixes the existing bugs in a coming release instead of just having new features; there are so many opened bugs from years and never fixed until now
[22:57] <ice9> even if it's very small bug
[23:12] <ice9> who agrees?
[23:16] <Bashing-om> idmbe: I do represent the Membership Board - and I do have concerns about your path to obtain an audience.  Not that I desire any obstruction to your effort.
[23:18] <idmbe> Bashing-om: i understood that, it's ok anyway
[23:24] <Bashing-om> idmbe: Be aware if you are seeking Membershio via "Forums contributions" then yes making your wishes known on the Forum is a valid path; and see the Forum section header in your thread --- else ! Please see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/NewMember . In any case it is "sustained and significant contributions" that warrent the board's attention.
[23:27] <idmbe> Bashing-om: That clear now for me, thank you for that
[23:28] <Bashing-om> idmbe: :D .. Hope that We see you up for recognition soonest.
[23:29] <idmbe> Bashing-om: I do not have extensive experience about the system, but I have many experiences during use, and I try to help beginners, as I had a lot of  problems in the beginning, that what i try to do it here
[23:29] <idmbe> Bashing-om: I hope that too :)
[23:33] <Bashing-om> idmbe: I too have that similar experience; in growing being able to help others. My bragg sheet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bashing-om .
[23:39] <idmbe> Bashing-om: that interesting knowledge and experience, well done
[23:39] <Jeremy31> Bashing-om could be the next moderator on ubuntuforums.org
[23:41] <Bashing-om> Jeremy31: Scarry thought ! Hey my plate pretty full now :D
[23:44] <Jeremy31> idmbe: It would be very rare for a new user on ubuntuforums.org to be accepted for forum contributions.  If you have significant experience outside of the forums you would have better luck applying directly https://ubuntu.com/community/membership
[23:50] <idmbe> Jeremy31: Thank you for that notice, i guess i will let it as is it until right moment, i think i need to diving into system more