[06:22] <Keybuk> yup
[06:22] <Keybuk> definitely
[06:22] <Keybuk> after much consideration
[06:22] <Keybuk> we want to replace tty* with a single instance job :)
[06:23] <AlexExtreme> what were the reasons for deciding that? (just curious)
[06:23] <Keybuk> it's just neater and more upstartish
[06:23] <AlexExtreme> fair enough :p
[06:24] <Keybuk> solves the "but I don't have ttyN" Xen problem
[06:24] <Keybuk> start a tty when you get the event for it, combined with other events
[06:24] <AlexExtreme> ah yeah
[06:25] <AlexExtreme> so you won't get an event from udev for all the other ttys when using xe
[06:25] <AlexExtreme> *Xen
[06:58] <Keybuk> this is actually a really interesting case
[06:58] <Keybuk> we have a pair of events from udev, ADD /class/tty/* -> REMOVE /class/tty*
[06:58] <Keybuk> between these, we know that /dev/* exists for a tty-class device
[06:59] <Keybuk> so we can say that a tty exists, and which tty that is
[07:05] <Keybuk> and we want the getty job "bound" to that
[07:05] <Keybuk> ie. each instance refers to one of the underlying devices, and has the information about those available
[07:05] <Keybuk> but that also needs to be intersected with another sequence of events
[07:06] <Keybuk> "the period during which a user can login"
[07:06] <Keybuk> this is a complex calculation based on things like /etc/nologin existing, ldap being running (for local ldap auth), nscd, nfs (home dirs), dirs being mounted, etc.
[07:10] <Keybuk> and I think that Upstart should be able to calculate this event itself, rather than farming it off to some other process?
[07:11] <AlexExtreme> yes
[07:14] <Keybuk> perhaps I need to take lots of mind-altering drugs, and sit in a tent on the beach with a nice fire going, until my spirit guide comes to me and tells me how to do that :p
[07:14] <ion_> :-)
[07:15] <AlexExtreme> :D
[07:22] <Keybuk> scheme interpreter? :p
[07:43] <JohnFlux> Keybuk: just out of interest, will kdm etc be able to ask for the password etc before the user is able to login
[07:44] <JohnFlux> Keybuk: since it takes a long time for the user to enter a password
[07:46] <ion_> (job 'tty1 ((start-on "runlevel [2-5] ") (stop-on "runlevel {0,1,6}") (respawn) (exec "/sbin/getty 38400 tty1")))
[08:25] <Keybuk> ion_: heh
[08:25] <Keybuk> ion_: I'd rather like the native jobs to not refer to the runlevels
[08:26] <ion_> Yeah, i just took a random file from my current /etc/event.d and converted it. :-)
[08:27] <Keybuk> JohnFlux: kdm can do whatever it likes ;)
[08:29] <Keybuk> ion_: the tricky thing is defining how events interact to form states
[08:29] <Keybuk> you'd probably want dynamic event interaction too
[08:30] <JohnFlux> btw I was looking at the upstart files
[08:30] <JohnFlux> it would be really nice to allow you to write     "start after stopping apache"  etc
[08:31] <Keybuk> ie. "depend on path-mounted ... path-unmounted /usr if getmntent -q -f -d /usr
[08:31] <JohnFlux> so  using "after" and "before" instead of "on"
[08:31] <Keybuk> JohnFlux: the whole start on/stop on thing is likely to be changing for 0.5
[08:31] <Keybuk> so the new language may be nicer
[08:31] <JohnFlux> "after stopping" and "before starting"  is much more readable than "on starting"
[08:31] <JohnFlux> oh okay
[08:31] <Keybuk> "after" has semantic meaning though
[08:31] <Keybuk> do "after starting apache" things get run after those things with "on starting apache", etc.
[08:34] <Keybuk> (and we also have planned temporal events, e.g. start 10m after starting apache")
[08:35] <ion_> start 1m before startup
[08:36] <Keybuk> ion_: a proposed implementation on my desk by 9am, please
[08:36] <Keybuk> ;)
[08:36] <ion_> :-)
[08:36] <Keybuk> (actually, that would be easy to implement -- you'd delay startup by 1m)
[08:36] <ion_> Hehe, yeah
[12:08] <dg> what's the recommended way to run something as a different user from an upstart script?
[12:13] <mbiebl> dg: upstart doesn't implement that functionality yet.
[12:13] <mbiebl> So you have to use "su"
[12:16] <dg> ah


[10:34] <balloons> hello. I need a couple tweaks to #ubuntu-testing. I'd like to close and redirect the channel to #ubuntu-quality instead
[10:34] <smartboyhw> Hey balloons :P


[07:07] <KriShaNsin> i have installed lubuntu two ways. the first way was from terminal on the 13.04 raring main desktop. and then there was a lubuntu session available from the drop down at login. and the other way was from Unetbootin live usb with the lubuntu desktop iso. which was a lubuntu login screen only, but that one had a netbook login option that i noticed and that didnt work well on my netbook which bummed me out.
[07:10] <KriShaNsin> it did work but it doesnt seem like a good OS for a new Linux user
[07:11] <KriShaNsin> i was originally excited when i saw the netbook login session though. i noticed that there is no good website that explains lubuntu in a human coherent way either.
[07:11] <Unit193> THe "netbook" session was a test to show what you could do with lxsession, less of a real setup for Netbooks.
[07:14] <KriShaNsin> its not for beginners in other words . lx . ldxe. lxde . kdlxe . oh man. i feel like am radio. how can normal people be expected to get all of this?
[07:15] <Unit193> The Lubuntu session is generally a typical setup, what exactly do you not get?
[07:15] <KriShaNsin> i like the idea of less resources. and it reminded me almost of an iPhone springboard and i liked that too.
[07:16] <KriShaNsin> well my pc couldnt restart when i updated the original software update after install. i had to hard boot every time . i coulnd "restart" on lbuntu.
[07:16] <KriShaNsin> and why are there 2 desktops on the panel?
[07:17] <Unit193> As far as I've seen, more than one desktop is fairly standard.  For the people that don't use them, they can pretty much just ignore them.
[07:17] <KriShaNsin> oh ok
[07:22] <KriShaNsin> well, when i installed lubuntu from the unetbootin live usb, it worked , i logged in , and immediately it wanted to do a software update. so i did the update, and then after that it says, "restart now" button. so i clicked that. and then my laptop rebooted to a blinking cursor. and just sat there blinking for a long time. and so i powered down manually and restarted. it check disk for errors and rebooted fine. but once in . i could never "
[07:22] <KriShaNsin> restart' and it was generally buggy. i had to be careful and more than once i got a frozen screen, so i did a clean reinstall of 13.04 raring main and i really like it. i guess i could try it again when i get another pc. but i am skeptical sorry. i dont know why people dont like canonical. but i hope that lubuntu can get a website together and humanely explain this OS.
[07:23] <Unit193> http://lubuntu.net/ ?  But, whatever works best for you!
[07:27] <KriShaNsin> i just want to give some criticism. i could be in the woods here but i hope am not. am new to linux and obviosly dont want to piss off a group of people who could hack my alarm clock. so no hard feelings yeah ?
[07:28] <Unit193> Nope, whatever works best for you.
[07:35] <JesseH> Heh
[07:47] <leoquant> Hello JesseH
[07:47] <JesseH> Hello
[13:27] <pmatulis> when i click on a hyperlink in my xterm (urxvt) it opens in firefox.  yet my default browser is google-chrome according to update-alternatives (and the preferred applications GUI thing).  anyone know how to correct that behaviour?
[13:28] <pmatulis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5840337/
[13:30] <pmatulis> hm, might require a urxvt-specific config
[13:31] <pmatulis> trying 'URxvt.urlLauncher:     google-chrome'
[13:33] <pmatulis> yes, works
[17:07] <Anne> hello, is here for lubuntu support?
[17:09] <Anne> my lubuntu distro every time I reboot ask me to start ubuntu from a grub page
[17:09] <Anne> is there a way to start the OS automatically?
[17:09] <holstein> !grub | Anne
[17:09] <holstein> Anne: should just stat the first in the list, automatically.. unless you have changed it
[17:10] <Anne> I have change nothing, Before there was a second count down... Not anymore
[17:10] <Anne> the only thig I have changed are a couple of script to correct some bugs
[17:11] <Anne> http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-auto-connect-ubuntu-1204-gsm-mobile-broadband-connection-on-boot-startup-service and a delay scrypt to start a remote desktop program
[17:12] <holstein> ?
[17:12] <holstein> Anne: so, you *did* change something?
[17:12] <holstein> Anne: have you looked at the link i gave here and the other channel?
[17:12] <Anne> I'm pretty confused beetwen the channel, i'll sit here
[17:13] <Anne> ('m reading, but really you dont remember me?)
[17:13] <holstein> Anne: correct.. i dont remember you
[17:13] <holstein> Anne: i volunteer support for many people, in many channels.. nothing personal
[17:14] <ianorlin> also is there a way to get it to say lubuntu on the grub page?
[17:14] <holstein> ianorlin: manually edit what you like
[17:14] <holstein> ianorlin: i would leave it along
[17:14] <holstein> alone*
[17:14] <ianorlin> yeah
[17:14] <ianorlin> I am not sure it is worth it
[17:14] <holstein> grub is something you can hide... or customize.. or break
[17:15] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Boot_Display_Behavior
[17:17] <ianorlin> bootloaders are not good when they go wrong
[17:18] <Anne> dont worry holstein :) I rember you, it's more than enough :P
[17:21] <Anne> is there a way to see the line number when editing " /etc/grub.d/00_header and change line 236 (this line is in the make_timeout() function) to  set timeout=0
[17:21] <Anne> "
[17:21] <Anne> ?
[17:22] <Anne> I dont wanna mess in the wrong place
[17:23] <ianorlin> what editior are you using
[17:23] <ianorlin> there is in leafpad an option for line numbers
[17:24] <Anne> lubuntu has leafpad
[17:24] <ianorlin> I know
[17:24] <Anne> found
[17:24] <Anne> thank you ianorlin
[17:24] <Anne> (starting to love this channel)
[17:25] <Anne> mmmmm problem. What I found is different from the guide holstein gave me
[17:25] <Anne> If the last boot failed or after a boot into Recovery Mode the menu will be displayed until the user makes a selection. The timeout setting in /etc/default/grub do not apply in this case.  To change this behaviour, edit /etc/grub.d/00_header and change line 236 (this line is in the make_timeout() function) to  set timeout=0
[17:25] <ianorlin> you're welcome
[17:26] <Anne> but in the line 236 I have if [ -f "sx ecc
[17:26] <Anne> I have a fx at line 279 make_timeout ()
[17:27] <Anne> and at line 285: set timeout=${2}
[17:27] <Anne> is this the line I have to change?
[17:28] <Anne> also have a line 282:  set timeout=${GRUB_RECORDFAIL_TIMEOYT: --1}
[17:29] <ianorlin> I am not sure
[17:30] <wxl> hm
[17:30] <holstein> Anne: i must have misunderstood your question
[17:30] <holstein> when you asked..
[17:30] <holstein> 13:09 < Anne> is there a way to start the OS automatically?
[17:31] <holstein> ^^ i assumed that meant the OS was booting manually.. is that not the case? the answer i gave was to change the grub settings to boot automatically
[17:31] <Anne> I can boot the OS manually, I just have to press "ubuntu" from the grub menu
[17:31] <Anne> But I need the autostart or the countdown
[17:32] <holstein> Anne: so, edit the file mentioned at the link i gave
[17:32] <Anne> I tried but the link is different from the file I have here
[17:32] <wxl> holstein: you mean /etc/grub.d/00_header?
[17:32] <holstein> Anne: i will give you the *exact* file
[17:33] <Anne> right now I'm in 00_header in /etc/grub.d
[17:33] <Anne> but It has different line and sets
[17:34] <Anne> (from the one of the link)
[17:34] <holstein> Anne: you have no reason to edit those.. those do not have anything to do with automatically booting anything
[17:34] <Anne> ok, I'm starting to be a little confused :D
[17:34] <holstein> Anne: whatever you have edited, please revert, and see that your OS is still booting.. then, i will tell you *exactly* what to edit
[17:35] <Anne> I have edited nothing yet
[17:35] <holstein> Anne: good.. *dont* edit anything
[17:35] <holstein> Anne: close everything you are doing, and wait patiently.. thank you
[17:35] <Anne> 'll arrest the sistem and than start it again
[17:36]  * holstein is referencing https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[17:37] <holstein> i open /etc/default/grub ... i do this from nano in the terminal like this "nano /etc/defaut/grub"
[17:37] <wxl> sudo
[17:37] <holstein> *if*, i wanted to edit it, i would use "sudo nano /etc/default/grub" .. i would think it a good idea to back that file up
[17:38] <ianorlin> is nano a terminal text editor?
[17:38] <wxl> ianorlin: yep
[17:38] <wxl> (but vim is better) XD
[17:38] <holstein> i could also use "gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub" .. or leafpad, or whatever editor i choose
[17:38] <wxl> "sudo nano -B /etc/default/grub" will automatically create a backup
[17:39] <holstein> i need root access to edit the file, and i need an editor i understand how to use, and i would think it a good idea to make a backup.. many ways to make a backup such as the one wxl gave above
[17:40] <holstein> Anne: the option that i linked above, and link here now https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Timed_Display is where i would look
[17:42] <holstein> Anne: likely, the setup that i have is what you want.. 10 seconds then auto booting the first in the list.. my config looks like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/5841010/
[17:42] <holstein> Anne: clear?
[17:44] <holstein> Anne: and you have rebooted to test the changes?
[17:44] <holstein> probably need to run "sudo update-grub" before the reboot.. wont hurt to run that
[17:51] <Anne> sorry, my dog politely ask me to have dinner :)
[17:51] <Anne> here I am
[17:52] <Anne> I shutted down the pc. I start it again. Now I have the gnu grub 2.0 page
[17:52] <Anne> the page waits for an user input
[17:52] <Anne> no count down
[17:53] <holstein> Anne: above, i linked *excactly* how to change that.. please try following the steps and let a volunteer know how it works out
[17:55] <Anne> Ok, I can do it
[17:57] <Anne> ok
[17:58] <Anne> My grub file, in the folder etc/default
[17:58] <Anne> is already the same yoy pasted me
[17:58] <holstein> Anne: i never said to put anything anywhere
[17:58] <Anne> yoy=you
[17:58] <holstein> Anne: i said to edit the file as root, and back up the current one
[17:58] <Anne> (i dont put anything to anywere, I just open it to look)
[17:59] <holstein>  /etc/default/grub
[17:59] <Anne> yes
[18:00] <Anne> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm wait a minute
[18:00] <Anne> i spotted a difference
[18:05] <Anne> ok holstein, dont bite me
[18:05] <Anne> so: i make a backup
[18:05] <Anne> i open the file as root with leafpad
[18:06] <Anne> I add a # in front of GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[18:06] <Anne> now the line is #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 (as your file)
[18:06] <Anne> the other lines are =
[18:07] <Anne> (equal? what's the word in englis?) anyway
[18:07] <holstein> Anne: use a pastebin, and copy paste
[18:07] <holstein> !paste | Anne
[18:09] <Anne> saved, reboted but nothing, I still have no contdown and I have to manually select "ubuntu" from the grub menu
[18:09] <Anne> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5841101/
[18:10] <holstein> Anne: and you ran "sudo update-grub" ?
[18:11] <Anne> yes
[18:11] <Anne> nothing change
[18:12] <Anne> could be this thing? If the last boot failed or after a boot into Recovery Mode the menu will be displayed until the user makes a selection. The timeout setting in /etc/default/grub do not apply in this case.
[18:12] <holstein> Anne: i'll tel you exactly what i would do.. hit the enter button, and enojot the OS
[18:12] <holstein> enjoy*
[18:12] <Anne> but I'm tring to make a sort of server
[18:13] <holstein> Anne: that is *exactly* what is happening, correct?
[18:13] <holstein> so what is causing that?
[18:13] <Anne> I have only one option
[18:13] <holstein> Anne: nothing you are saying prevents a server from running
[18:13] <holstein> Anne: what would i do?
[18:14] <holstein> as i said, deal with it as is.. you can try boot repair from a live CD https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[18:14] <holstein> otherwise, you'll need to elaborate about *everything*.. what message.. why.. when did you get it? what oerating systems are installed? how did you install them
[18:16] <holstein> i would say, you will fool around with this, and maybe discover what broke what and "fix" it.. or, maybe make the machine not boot.. and to gain what? you dont need the machine to boot up automatically to run it as a server
[18:19] <Anne> I actually do, It will be in my cabin (far away from my house) I managed to have a remote desktop but I can go to start up the pc manually If i need to reboot
[18:19] <Anne> anyway, let's give a try to boot repair
[18:19] <holstein> you want battery backup, anyway
[18:20] <holstein> you are thinking, you'll set the machine to reboot? in the bios? if the power goes off?
[18:20] <Anne> i set up the mobo to start up on power up
[18:20] <Anne> yes
[18:20] <Anne> :D
[18:20] <holstein> eventually, that forced poweroff will break the hard drive anyways
[18:20] <holstein> so, at least one time, it wont work...
[18:20] <Anne> (no HD just usb)
[18:21] <Anne> anyway I'm not looking for a perfect system, just a pc that can recover if the power went out
[18:21] <holstein> Anne: "perfect" is a matter of opinion, and doesnt exist with computers
[18:21] <Anne> (or I reboot from remote desktop)
[18:21] <Anne> I agree :)
[18:22] <holstein> Anne: what you have, is a lot of information that you are not sharing with volunteers
[18:22] <holstein> Anne: what USB? where is grub installed? are you expecting to boot it with a "magic packet" over the local network?
[18:22] <Anne> you have to forgive me, it's my first try with linux at all
[18:23] <holstein> Anne: sure.. and *dont* try and solve all these issues, and make a "perfect" system on your first day in linux
[18:23] <Anne> usb stick, 4 gb, no magick packet. I aspect to power up a first time, and then it can recover (via mobo auto power on option) if the power went off
[18:23] <holstein> Anne: look at how the pros do it.. they have battery backup.. or some kind of uninterruptable power
[18:24] <holstein> Anne: *any* system forcing power off like that, as part of the "plan" *will* break
[18:25] <Anne> I also plan to set up an UPS, but at least I need that if I rebott the sistem from remote desktop... It will be live by itself :)
[18:25] <holstein> you would have to be certain the hardware boots USB.. then, maybe force large parts of the file system to be read-only
[18:25] <holstein> Anne: i would visit a hardware channel, or networking... otherwise, if you have a lubuntu question, feel free and ask a volunteer.. cheers!
[18:29] <Anne> I actually have a lubuntu question ( I really dont want to mess up with the harware, I was just answering to avoid "not sharing info" :) 'm tryinb boot repair
[18:47] <Anne> emh... holstein... (dont bite me)... anyway... it solved everything :) boot-repair has fixed the problem
[18:47] <Anne> now it star by itself (10 sec contdown)
[18:48] <Anne> thank you and thank  you ianorlin, you both gain a lot of good karma today :P
[18:48] <holstein> Anne: enjoy
[18:50] <Anne> :* have a nice night guys and sorry If I bothered( wonder if it's the right word) you
[18:50] <holstein> Anne: no worries.. glad you got it working as you want
[18:51] <Anne> ^___^ (you helped me twice, even If you dont remember, at third I'll deliver some cupcakes!)
[21:25] <vadimkolchev> hi all. try to install lubuntu on a 512 mb ram machine with 445 mb of ram free and installer crashes. However, it is intended to be run on at least 348 mb as it is stated in docs. Why is it so?
[21:26] <Unit193> In /var/log/ you should see something with a name of ubiquity, see what that says.  Should also check syslog and dmesg.
[21:27] <vadimkolchev> Unit193, ok, i'll try to see. however it says out of space or smth.
[21:27] <Unit193> How big is the hard drive?
[21:27] <vadimkolchev> Unit193, I have 15 Gb dedicated to install
[21:32] <Unit193> Heh, so no problem.  You can drop to a TTY and remove the slideshow, though 512 should be more than enough.
[21:32] <Unit193> vadimkolchev: You can also try the alternate installer, of course.
[21:36] <ianorlin> .
[21:55] <crazyeagle> alguien ha movido su directorio /home a otra particion o dico?
[22:03] <SonikkuAmerica> !crosspost | crazyeagle, please stop this!
[22:04] <ianorlin> yo no he movido mi directorio /home
[22:05] <SonikkuAmerica> !es | ianorlin
[22:05] <ianorlin> I was becuase he was speaking it
[22:05] <ianorlin> sorry
[22:07] <ianorlin> oh and he left before that
[22:10] <SonikkuAmerica> ianorlin: Well he does speak English
[22:10] <ianorlin> oh
[22:11] <ianorlin> I did not know that
[22:11] <SonikkuAmerica> ianorlin: He asked in #ubuntu<PHONE_NUMBER>9374659287364957826934785 times, then asked once in all the other English channels
[22:11] <ianorlin> I am not in the other channels
[22:20] <SonikkuAmerica> Seriously ubottu? O_o
[22:24] <binaryhermit> nice parsing ubottu
[22:25] <SonikkuAmerica> Let me know when that bug number exists
[22:35] <binaryhermit> I think it's the next bug to get filed
[22:35]  * binaryhermit ducks


[00:12] <dnyy> anyone here used lxde?
[00:22] <Odd-rationale> dnyy: i've used lxde, and i installed ubuntu+lxde on a friends laptop...
[00:26] <heapy> helloa!
[00:27] <Odd-rationale> !hi | heapy
[00:28] <heapy> people of xubuntu, i have finially got my system stable, working sweet man im so chuffed :D
[00:29] <Odd-rationale> great!
[00:29] <Odd-rationale> !yay
[00:29] <heapy> hah.
[00:30] <heapy> i have sound! and dvd! and internet wireless!!
[00:30] <heapy> this is my first experience of linux, its quality isn't it
[00:30] <Odd-rationale> me too! :P
[00:30] <heapy> and this amarok program is awesome
[00:31] <Odd-rationale> amarok 2?
[00:32] <heapy> mm
[00:32] <heapy> oh man, it says KDE?!!!
[00:33] <Odd-rationale> yeah, amarok is normally considered an kde app... although kde apps works just fine in xubuntu... or all ubuntu's for that matter...
[00:33] <heapy> ohh thats a relief
[00:34] <heapy> it says version 3.5.10 amarok
[00:34] <Odd-rationale> the only thing is that installing kde apps in a non-kde environment (xfce, gnome, etc) results in pulling lots of libs that is only used by the kde app...
[00:35] <Odd-rationale> and also that kde app has to start the extra kde stuff ...
[00:36] <Odd-rationale> heapy: amarok 2 just got released like a week ago... it will probably be in the next version of ubuntu...
[00:36] <heapy> hay as long as it works im not fussed m8, i have had real bad times these last 3 days setting up my laptop on ubuntu, have settled on xubuntu hardy
[00:37] <heapy> why the hell do i have 3.5.10 then? is version 2 the stable one or somthing?
[00:37] <heapy> hang on...
[00:37] <heapy> <IP_ADDRESS> version
[00:37] <heapy> i was getting mixed up
[00:38] <Odd-rationale> 3.5.10 is probably your kde version...
[00:38] <Odd-rationale> the last frontier of kde3, and (imho) the best of kde...
[00:39] <heapy> i just dloaded it from add/remove programs
[00:39] <Odd-rationale> i got kinda turned off by kde4...
[00:39] <Odd-rationale> but, that's just me...
[00:39] <heapy> i have never used it m8
[00:40] <heapy> im quite impressed by ubuntu when its stable like this,
[00:40] <heapy> im enjoying it
[00:41] <heapy> hay , i done something that took me by suprise earlier... i just moved the terminal window to read some commands from a webpage, then it seem'd to disapear into the next screen! dead strange , but kinda cool
[00:42] <heapy> and now ctrl alt ( left and right ) flicks between them,, well smart
[00:43] <Odd-rationale> yeah. workspaces...
[00:44] <heapy> i have been using windows too long, i did try suse years ago but i couldnt get it to work,.. it cost a few quid and came on 6 cd's.. i didnt give it a chance cus it confused the hell outta me
[00:47] <heapy> there is just one thing i would like to do that isnt working yet...
[00:48] <heapy> & thats to get flash working.. i dloaded something called flash-nonfree but it doesnt seem to be working cus youtube isn't
[00:49] <Odd-rationale> heapy: did you install the flashplugin-nonfree package from the repos?
[00:49] <heapy> from synaptic.. not sure what repo's is m8
[00:50] <Odd-rationale> ok. from synaptics is fine... are you on 32bit or 64bit?
[00:50] <heapy> 32bit
[00:50] <Odd-rationale> you should just be able to install the flashplugin-nonfree package and then restart firefox... it hould work...
[00:51] <Odd-rationale> if not...
[00:51] <Odd-rationale> !flash
[00:52] <heapy> just lookin at that site, i did install it uc
[00:53] <Vigilance> if I boot linux from a flash drive and browse the web with it, will I be protected from malware that can be installed on the computer?
[00:53] <Vigilance> like key loggers and such
[00:55] <Odd-rationale> if the keylogger is in software on the computer, then yes. if the keylogger is on the website or something, then no... also, some keyloggers are attached between the keyboard and the usb port... you won't be protected from that either.
[00:55] <heapy> mm it still say's "Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player."
[00:56] <Odd-rationale> heapy: check your browser settginto make sure JS is on...
[00:58] <Vigilance> Odd-rationale: how can those key loggers be attached between the keyboard and usb? are those software?
[00:59] <heapy> in the preferences, applications, not there, or in the addon's , extensions, or plugin's
[00:59] <heapy> im using firefox
[00:59] <Odd-rationale> Vigilance: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/security/5a05/
[01:00] <Odd-rationale> heapy: Preference --> Content
[01:01] <Vigilance> Odd-rationale: thanks, so I guess ill just have to look out for physical devices. I mainly want to safely check my email while in a foreign country
[01:03] <heapy> i found it m8 ta, it was already enabled and java.... i tried unchecking, closing it down, re-checking and loadin u tube. still saying i dont have js
[01:11] <heapy> im at a loss
[01:27] <heapy> good night all, still anit got flash but thats one for 2m =)
[03:02] <radlipat> HELP PLZ
[03:02] <radlipat> my takbars dissapeared
[03:02] <radlipat> how i get them back?
[03:03] <radlipat> hello???????
[03:05] <radlipat> ANNY ONEEE?????
[03:14] <radlipat> anyone here??
[03:28] <R1cochet> £ãugh¡ñg Òut £öuÐ dont wait to long for any1 to respond
[04:45] <R1cochet> i am trying to install "reconstructor" from deb package but it says it needs to uninstall "libgd2-noxpm"
[04:45] <R1cochet> is it ok to remove this pack?
[05:19] <thisguy> quick question for anyone who is up at this hour-- does anyone know which directories/files MUST be writable on a filesystem for things like xserver and other apps to run? I want to make the majority of the filesystem read only.
[07:05] <TurtleRam> eixt
[07:06] <TurtleRam> oops, sorry guys, didn't mean to type here
[08:43] <TurtleRam> So hey guys - I have one stupid question. Is the only thing that makes Xubuntu unique from Ubuntu the fact that it uses Xfce?
[08:45] <TurtleRam> My reason for asking this is because I was going to use a guide to install Ubuntu on my Macbook, but I'd much rather have Xubuntu.
[08:46] <TurtleRam> But if that's the only thing that changes the two, I'd probably just use Ubuntu and tweak.
[08:46] <TurtleRam> Unless there's a really good reason to just do a fresh install of xubuntu.
[08:46] <TurtleRam> Sorry for taking up screen-space, and thanks!
[09:07] <pome> I'd install xubuntu and tweak
[09:08] <pome> I only had to install open office and gedit after the base install
[09:08] <pome> but why run anything other than osx on a mac?
[09:09] <TheSheep> because you can
[09:09] <pome> and if a mac can boot from usb, install xubuntu as a usb live disk
[09:09] <pome> www.pendrivelinux.com
[09:09] <TurtleRam> well really, I'd like to run something completely open on my mac
[09:10] <TurtleRam> and because I'd love to begin to learn Linux and Unix in general, I guess
[09:10] <pome> osx is linux
[09:10] <pome> for most intents and purposes
[09:10] <TheSheep> pome: is not
[09:10] <TurtleRam> I thought it was a BSD semi-closed system
[09:10] <TheSheep> pome: it's bsd
[09:10] <pome> I could barely tell the difference on the command line
[09:10] <pome> it's got all the usual programs
[09:10] <TheSheep> pome: all standard-compliant (POSIX) systems are like that
[09:11] <pome> exactly
[09:11] <TheSheep> pome: even unix services for IBM x-os
[09:11] <TheSheep> z-os
[09:11] <TheSheep> or unix services for windows, for that matter
[09:11] <pome> the only reason I ditched osx is because I couldn't get my favourite programs to work well
[09:12] <pome> basically, x11 dependent ones
[09:12] <TurtleRam> So Sheep, what do you think? Should I just start with xubuntu or ubuntu and then add xfe
[09:12] <TheSheep> the prblem with macosx is that you don't get the tools that were used to build it with it
[09:12] <TurtleRam> xfce*
[09:12] <pome> I love xrce
[09:12] <pome> xfce
[09:12] <pome> it's so quick
[09:12] <TurtleRam> me too
[09:13] <pome> Nautilus is like wading through toffee in comparison
[09:13] <TheSheep> TurtleRam: you can do a server install and install xubuntu-desktop
[09:13] <TheSheep> TurtleRam: server install is a base, then xubuntu-desktop package will install everything specific to xfce
[09:14] <TurtleRam> Well, I've just dropped into the world of Linux, and I'm not a slow learner, but where do I need to go to learn how to do a server install?
[09:15] <TheSheep> !server
[09:15] <TheSheep> TurtleRam: I think you use the normal cd, only pick an option to install commandline system only
[09:15] <pome> if you're completely new, don't learn bash!
[09:15] <pome> do everything in python
[09:16] <TheSheep> pome: everything?
[09:16] <TurtleRam> Alright, well Python I'm slightly familiar with
[09:16] <TheSheep> pome: python makes a lousy shell :)
[09:16] <pome> bash is needlessly specific
[09:16] <pome> python runs on anything
[09:18] <pome> regarding the default xubuntu gui apps, the only issue I have is with the default music player
[09:18] <pome> 'listen' - it's always been buggy for me
[09:18] <pome> rhythmbox works much better
[09:18] <pome> for me
[09:19] <TheSheep> fortunately you can always install the player you like
[09:19] <TheSheep> quod libet is pretty nice too
[09:20] <TurtleRam> OK, OK, so I go and install the Ubuntu server ed., then I push the xubuntu DT ed. ontop of it, and I have what I want, essentially?
[09:20] <pome> why install the server?
[09:20] <TheSheep> TurtleRam: yes
[09:20] <TheSheep> pome: because it's the base
[09:20] <TurtleRam> And what I want is something to begin with - a machine to begin learning the system and such, and possibly do some schoolwork within
[09:20] <TheSheep> pome: so you don't have to uninstall all ubuntu gui things
[09:21] <TurtleRam> Ohhhhh okay... I see what you're saying. That makes sense.
[09:21] <pome> if it's not going to be a server, it sound like unnecessary scrimpery
[09:21] <pome> xfce is light enough
[09:27] <TurtleRam> Before I leave I just want to get this clear: To install Xubuntu is not good enough? In order to get what I want, which is tech wise just xfce with the functionality of it's mom, Ubuntu. And in order to obtain this I have to download a server ed. first as a base?
[09:28] <pome> xubuntu is the giblets and xfce gui
[09:28] <pome> the 'server' is just the giblets
[09:28] <pome> you can install the server then install whichever gui you want
[09:28] <pome> if you need one
[09:29] <pome> e.g. kde, xfce, gnome or a bunch of really ugly obscure ones
[09:30] <pome> if you're used to osx, be prepared to be transported back to 1995
[09:32] <TurtleRam> Nah, I've tried different flavors before including Slackware of all things. I use osx just because I use my laptop, and I've never ventured to change this
[09:33] <TurtleRam> But what I'm really asking here, all fluff aside, is will installing Xubuntu on my macbook give me everything I need to start with
[09:43] <pome> depends on what you need
[09:43] <pome> but yes
[09:43] <pome> install the server then you can use the package manager to get whatever else you require
[09:43] <pome> for instance to install a text-mode web browser: sudo apt-get install lynx
[09:43] <pome> it's that simple
[09:47] <TurtleRam> Alright, well thanks. I'm going to install the server first and go from there... in a few days.
[09:48] <TurtleRam> But thanks to both of you
[09:57] <pome> good luck
[09:58] <pome> welcome to open source goodness
[10:18] <pome> anyone know how to get rid of the speaker cone icon from the volume panel applet?
[10:18] <pome> it's superfluous and takes up precious, precious space
[10:21] <TheSheep> pome: you can remove the applet from the panel
[10:21] <pome> I use the gauge just not the speaker
[10:22] <TheSheep> I suppose you could check somehow (in the sources?) how the icon is named and then resize it (possibly to 0) with gtk theme
[10:23] <pome> yes, that's the route
[10:35] <stimpie> where are the xfce settings stored?\
[10:44] <R1cochet> which settings?
[10:49] <TheSheep> stimpie: in ~/.config/
[10:52] <stimpie> TheSheep, great thanks
[10:53] <TheSheep> and in /etc/xdg
[10:56] <ladanz> hi folks.
[10:56] <ladanz> in which file is saved which wallpaper is used?
[10:57] <ladanz> alright got it
[10:57] <ladanz> bye
[12:43] <[1]Andy> hello
[12:43] <[1]Andy> anyone who is available?
[12:45] <[1]Andy> anyone who is available?
[12:46] <RurouniJones> Howdy all, I am running xubuntu, have installed language support for Japanese, setup SCIM so that it uses Anthy for Japanese input and the toggle is CTRL+Space
[12:46] <RurouniJones> But when I hit CTRL+Space, nothing happens
[12:46] <[1]Andy> uh I think everyone is AFK right now..
[12:47] <RurouniJones> I shall hang around, see if anyone picks up on it
[12:47] <[1]Andy> btw I am using a toshiba L30
[12:47] <[1]Andy> and I am new to ubuntu
[12:47] <[1]Andy> so I dowloaded it and tried it..failed
[12:47] <[1]Andy> then I tried xubuntu
[12:48] <[1]Andy> then it got stuck while rebooting when it completed "checking installation 14%"
[12:48] <[1]Andy> afk doorbell
[12:49] <vidd> [1]Andy, try the alt cd
[12:49] <[1]Andy> oh back..so any solutions?
[12:49] <[1]Andy> ah
[12:50] <[1]Andy> approx size?
[12:50] <vidd> depends on if you get the "full size" or the mini
[12:50] <vidd> !mini
[12:51] <vidd> the mini is only 10 MB
[12:51] <[1]Andy> wow
[12:51] <[1]Andy> and I also have the xubuntu
[12:51] <vidd> and you can install any flavor from one disk
[12:51] <[1]Andy> so without using internet to patch up i can use the CD?
[12:51] <vidd> the mini requires internet to properly install
[12:52] <vidd> if you will not have internet until after completion, then use the alt cd
[12:52] <vidd> !alternate
[12:53] <[1]Andy> mm I am a bit confused..le me make myself clear i cant go beyon 50MB download now..i am out of bandwidth
[12:53] <vidd> when will you get more bandwidth?
[12:53] <[1]Andy> lol =D not untill next month
[12:53] <[1]Andy> i am a student
[12:54] <[1]Andy> and a broke :P
[12:54]  * vidd does not understand bandwidth limitations.....
[12:54] <[1]Andy> yeah you must have unlimited :P
[12:54] <[1]Andy> so just one last question
[12:55] <[1]Andy> can it patch from earlier installation?
[12:55] <vidd> the mini?
[12:55] <vidd> no
[12:55] <vidd> do you have an alt cd?
[12:55] <[1]Andy> nop
[12:55] <[1]Andy> oh GOD it too is 698 mB
[12:55] <vidd> then try this:
[12:55] <vidd> get the mini....
[12:56] <vidd> do a cli only install....
[12:56] <vidd> then add the live cd to your repos
[12:56] <vidd> then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install [flavor]-desktop
[12:57] <[1]Andy> "sudo" is a command right?
[12:57] <vidd> replacing [flavor] with the appropriate flavor of ubuntu
[12:57] <vidd> yes
[12:57] <[1]Andy> flavor like xubuntu kubuntu and all?
[12:57] <vidd> right
[12:58] <vidd> basically, what this does is, gets the cli-only installed on your ystem
[12:58] <[1]Andy> and what is "cli"?
[12:58] <vidd> cli= command line interface
[12:58] <[1]Andy> ah
[12:58] <[1]Andy> like prompt in MS?
[12:59] <vidd> then you "trick" your system into downloading from the repos stored on the cd
[12:59] <vidd> no.....
[12:59] <vidd> the prompt in M$ is a poor imitation of the CLI
[12:59] <vidd> =]
[12:59] <[1]Andy> xD okay gotcha but its something like that right/?
[12:59] <[1]Andy> and how do I execute it?
[13:00] <vidd> that is the closest thing in M$-land to it
[13:00] <vidd> you dont....
[13:00] <[1]Andy> okay hold on let me put it in points ..
[13:00] <vidd> if you do a cli-only install....that is all you will have
[13:00] <[1]Andy> first i uninstall current xubuntu
[13:00] <[1]Andy> then i install mini
[13:00] <vidd> wait....
[13:01] <[1]Andy> remove the CD and put in the xubuntu one
[13:01] <[1]Andy> and give the command
[13:01] <[1]Andy> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xubunt-desktop
[13:01] <vidd> what do you mean "uninstall"?
[13:01] <[1]Andy> i have one installed
[13:01] <[1]Andy> i like tried everything
[13:02] <[1]Andy> boot install not worked
[13:02] <vidd> did you load windows and then put the cd in?
[13:02] <[1]Andy> the i did it from windows
[13:02] <[1]Andy> ./swt
[13:02] <[1]Andy> yeah
[13:02] <[1]Andy> boot wont work
[13:02] <[1]Andy> so..well...i tried everything that was in scope except throwing my lappy out of the window
[13:02] <vidd> how much ram does your system have?
[13:03] <[1]Andy> its shows 192 in properties
[13:03] <vidd> 192,,,,
[13:03] <[1]Andy> MB
[13:03] <vidd> one moment
[13:03] <[1]Andy> yeah okay..
[13:03] <[1]Andy> i have been trying that for 2 days so one moment would be nothing xD
[13:04] <vidd> you dont have enough ram to install from the live cd...that is why you are having issues
[13:04] <[1]Andy> ah
[13:04] <[1]Andy> so...any solutions?
[13:05] <vidd> get a little more ram, and that live cd will load right up for ya
[13:05] <[1]Andy> solution #2 ?
[13:05] <vidd> (and stick with xubuntu)
[13:05] <vidd> get a buddy to dl the alt cd for ya
[13:06] <[1]Andy> well when i got my lappy like a year n half ago it was somewhere like 256 MB ram wonder how it went down..
[13:06] <[1]Andy> with low ram alt CD will work?
[13:06] <vidd> your display leaching ram
[13:06] <[1]Andy> i so would like to F%^$ it
[13:06] <vidd> yes....alt only needs like 128
[13:06] <[1]Andy> cool
[13:07] <[1]Andy> you game me link to ubuntu alt
[13:07] <[1]Andy> i wanted xubuntu..
[13:07]  * vidd has gotten a system to install with only 64MB ram
[13:07] <[1]Andy> great!
[13:07] <[1]Andy> i mean great accomplisment!
[13:07] <vidd> http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Xubuntu/8.04.1/release/xubuntu-8.04.1-alternate-i386.iso
[13:08] <[1]Andy> how much seeds that one got?
[13:08] <vidd> seeds?
[13:08] <[1]Andy> uh..i mean the torrent
[13:08] <vidd> that is a direct dl...not a torrent
[13:08] <[1]Andy> GOD!
[13:08] <[1]Andy> wew
[13:08] <[1]Andy> torrent link?
[13:08] <vidd> http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Xubuntu/8.04.1/release/xubuntu-8.04.1-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[13:09]  * vidd does not use torrents
[13:09] <[1]Andy> xD okay
[13:09] <[1]Andy> thank you now i guess i have to leave for classes
[13:09] <[1]Andy> thank you again and bye :D
[13:09] <vidd> but...i suppose i could donate some seed space =]
[13:09] <[1]Andy> that would be wonderful
[13:09] <[1]Andy> keep it like for 3 days?
[13:10] <[1]Andy> cause i need to ask ....him (my friends) more then one time
[13:10] <[1]Andy> :P
[13:10] <[1]Andy> i have to rush bye bye.
[13:10] <vidd> pft...keep it running till 9.04!
[13:10] <[1]Andy> uh?
[13:10] <vidd> till the next release
[13:10] <[1]Andy> ah
[13:10] <[1]Andy> okay
[13:10] <[1]Andy> bay
[13:11] <[1]Andy> i mean bye
[13:14] <RurouniJones> How do you enable root again in *buntus?
[13:14] <vidd> RurouniJones, enable root? or get root access?
[13:15] <RurouniJones> enable root
[13:16] <vidd> the following command will compromise the built-in security of *buntu by setting the root password: "sudo passwd"
[13:16] <vidd> the recommended method of temporarily gaining root access is to "sudo [command]"
[13:16] <RurouniJones> ah yes, I was trying passwd root withouth the sudo
[13:18] <vidd> RurouniJones, since your going to disable the safty of your system, i would recommend that you not run any server services on that particular system, and you block port 22
[13:18] <RurouniJones> Ta
[13:18] <RurouniJones> I know all about the dangers of enabling root, don't worry
[13:18] <vidd> =]
[13:19] <vidd> i mention this for the others that are reading that may NOT know the dangers
[13:19] <RurouniJones> Hehehe, good point
[13:19] <RurouniJones> Right, now to figure out why scim isn't working...that is something I am NOT familiar with unfortunately
[13:20] <vidd> nor i
[13:20] <RurouniJones> It was a bugger to get working on kubuntu as well, pity I can't remember how I did it
[13:21] <vidd> RurouniJones, have you seen http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=282496?
[13:22] <vidd> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=282496
[13:22] <RurouniJones> Found the answer I think on the wiki
[13:23] <vidd> cool
[13:23] <RurouniJones> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SCIM - There is a note about xubuntu which matches my issue
[13:23] <RurouniJones> I didn't htink the mainline ubuntu forums had notes on the other variants. I have learned my lesson
[15:27] <thisguy> anyone around?
[15:27] <vidd> !anyone
[15:27] <thisguy> quick question for anyone who is up at this hour-- does anyone know which directories/files MUST be writable on a filesystem for things like xserver and other apps to run? I want to make the majority of the filesystem read only.
[15:32] <Pici> thisguy: Why would you want to do that?
[15:32] <Pici> thisguy: If a user doesn't have access to use sudo then they cannot edit most files, if they do, then changing the permissions isn't going to stop them since they can just change them back.
[15:33] <thisguy> I'm designing a car pc that shuts off when the car does, so I am using solid state drives and everything. I want to make the filesystem read only, so if it gets shut off it doesn't affect the way the filesystem functions
[15:34] <vidd> thisguy, so set everything to read only
[15:34] <vidd> apps need "execute" permission to function...not write permissions
[15:35] <thisguy> with what, a chmod -wx / ?
[15:35] <thisguy> right, so that command is faulty
[15:35] <thisguy> I wanted it similar to when you have a filesystem error, and the actual filesystem is read only, but I also want x and other apps to work
[15:37] <vidd> !embedded
[15:37] <vidd> !embed
[15:39] <thisguy> Ha ha its alright vidd, I won't bother you with it anymore. I need to get to work anyway. Have a good one :)
[15:40] <vidd> thisguy, basically, you want to look up info on "embedded xubuntu"
[15:40] <vidd> embedded systems dont have any writable space
[15:41] <thisguy> alright, will do. I actually just found Ubuntu Mobile just now, so I might give that a go as well.
[17:03] <sinbox> what would be the chmod command to give ownership to userB on files in a directory in their home folder ?
[17:05] <TheSheep> chown -R userB.userB ~userB/directory
[17:27] <Woo> Hey here is a newbie question. I want to install the server version of a *buntu. I only want it to run BOINC. Is that easy to set up with auto updates etc?
[17:33] <zoredache> Woo:  you might want to ask in #ubuntu-server.  Setting up a server is simple enough, not sure about voinc
[17:43] <sinbox> thanks TheSheep
[17:46] <heapy> helloa!
[17:50] <heapy> does anyone know how i can get a partition to show up on my xubuntu? (i have re-sized my hdd using parted magic, and made a ntfs partition in the space for music) but i dont know how to make it visable
[17:52] <TheSheep> !ntfs
[17:54] <heapy> thanks fella, i have just been lookin on that.. mm, could i just change the file system of the partition to a linux one to make it easier?
[17:57] <lesshaste> where is System -> Pref. -> Mouse in xubuntu?
[17:58] <heapy> bbs sheep lad..
[17:58] <cody-somerville> Applications > Settings > Settings Manager; Mouse
[17:59] <lesshaste> thanks
[17:59] <lesshaste> I don't see "turn off tapping" sadly
[18:00] <lesshaste> how do I turn off tapping on the touchpad
[18:00] <lesshaste> it is driving me mad
[18:02] <Odd-rationale> lesshaste: probably you have to make some settings in your xorg.conf file..
[18:03] <lesshaste> Odd-rationale, I think that was in the olden days
[18:03] <lesshaste> I can get gsynaptics to turn it off
[18:03] <lesshaste> but I don't know how to make it permanent
[18:04] <knome> just don't tap the touchpad
[18:04] <knome> :P
[18:04] <knome> it's easy
[18:04] <lesshaste> knome, that's impossible while moving the mouse :)
[18:04] <knome> uhh, no :)
[18:05] <lesshaste> I would dare you but you are a little far away :)
[18:05] <knome> "little"
[18:06] <lesshaste> oh no.. you are in my front room!
[18:06] <lesshaste> :)
[18:14]  * sinbox hates synaptic touchpads
[20:14] <Nikola-Xubuntu> Hello.
[20:16] <forces_> hi!
[20:52] <Nikola-Xubuntu> How are you?
[20:53] <forces_> I'm cold
[20:54] <Nikola-Xubuntu> Me too, cold here lol
[20:54] <Nikola-Xubuntu> We gots a heavy wind here
[20:56] <forces_> where are you?
[20:56]  * forces_ in Los Angeles CA
[20:56] <forces_> T_T
[20:58] <Nikola-Xubuntu> Serbia
[21:00] <forces_> all the night was rainning
[21:01]  * forces_ will eat el pollo loco
[21:01] <forces_> :P
[21:35] <thompsbm> how do i set the time in xubuntu
[21:36] <TheSheep> thompsbm: settings->date and time
[21:36] <TheSheep> thompsbm: sorry, system->...
[21:39] <thompsbm> thanks so much...i kept trying to right click...
[21:39] <thompsbm> hehehe
[21:40] <thompsbm> is there anyway to drag items in the menu to the desktop
[21:44] <TheSheep> thompsbm: no, but you can copy them from /usr/share/applications
[21:45] <thompsbm> TheSheep: sounds good thinks for the help
[22:02] <knome> !source
[22:02] <knome> !build
[22:13] <Polizei> well, i just need to ask somebody about it... how should i configure my keyboard layouts in xorg 7.4 (introduced in 8.10) ?
[22:14] <Polizei> technically spoken, where should i set up the grp:ctrl_alt_toggle xkboption ?
[22:14] <TheSheep> Polizei: read the release notes for 8.10
[22:14] <TheSheep> Polizei: it mentions the path of the config file
[22:14] <Polizei> TheSheep, what release notes?
[22:15] <TheSheep> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810#X.Org%20Input%20Devices
[22:15] <Polizei> I've bought my laptop 4 days ago and nothing but 8.10 up'ped my wi-fi card so I've been forced...
[22:15] <Polizei> (i could compile madwifi as well, but i guess im kinda lazy :p)
[22:16] <Polizei> TheSheep, i'll check it, thanks
[22:16] <TheSheep> Polizei: I just remember it mentions the solution to your problem, took me a while to find the link, sorry
[22:16] <Polizei> TheSheep, you're telling me... I've been walking across google.bg and google.ru for days and nothing...
[22:17] <Polizei> I've workarounded it in xorg.conf, but now my touchpad's "scroll" doesn't work... :(
[22:18] <TheSheep> Polizei: if you install gsynaptics-mcs-plugin, you will have touchpad settings in the settings->setting manager
[22:21] <Polizei> And so, `dpkg-reconfigure console-setup' never asked me for a second keyboard layout to use
[22:25] <TheSheep> Polizei: you might try asking on #ubuntu
[22:27] <Polizei> TheSheep, I'm never gonna use GNOME, if you say that... And the touchpad scroll is not a pain in the ass, but I was just a bit curious if somebody can help...
[22:27] <Polizei> Thanks for all
[22:29] <TheSheep> Polizei: what I meant is that the xorg system is the same as in unbuntu, so they might be able to help, especially since there are more experts there
[22:32] <Polizei> Well, I guess it worths a try :)
[22:32] <filipegatti> I was installing Samba, but then I stopped when I remembered that Thunar doesn't works with Samba... I cancelled in the middle of the downloading/installation. Have the already download packages being installed or when I cancel they automatically delete/remove?
[22:33] <TheSheep> it doesn't delete automatically, you have to call 'apt-get clean' or select an option in synaptic
[22:33] <TheSheep> filipegatti: btw, you cam use samba with thunar using fusesmb
[22:33] <Polizei> They shouldn't be installed, but a kind of cache still stays in /var/cache/apt/archives
[22:36] <filipegatti> hmm, thank you... in older versions of xubuntu/thunar it was kind of impossible to use samba. but I don't know what I need to install or do to check the shared folders I have in another computer using Linux also.
[22:36] <Serraphyn> I installed vnc4server on my 8.04 system(fully updated) but I can't xvnc4viewer :1 it erros with unable to connect to host:
[22:42] <filipegatti> TheSheep, any thought?
[22:44] <TheSheep> filipegatti: you still don't use it with thunar, technically
[22:44] <TheSheep> filipegatti: fusesmb lets you mount samba shares as normal partitions, so thunar sees them as directories
[22:45] <TheSheep> !fusesmb
[22:45] <filipegatti> right. but there are another way to access my shared folders without having to install samba and fusesmb?
[22:46] <TheSheep> filipegatti: if they are shared using samba protocol, then you need some variation of a smaba client
[22:47] <TheSheep> filipegatti: if you can choose how to share them, there is a number of options -- from scp, through nfs to ftp
[22:48] <filipegatti> I guess the folder on my other computer was simply shared in ubuntu using right-click button and "share". So I don't know the protocol used.
[22:48] <filipegatti> the fastest way I guess is installing samba and fusesmb, right?
[22:48] <TheSheep> filipegatti: you don't need to install the 'samba' package itself, fusesmb will install all it needs automatically
[22:49] <TheSheep> filipegatti: I think the 'samba' package contains the server
[22:49] <TheSheep> filipegatti: you only need a client
[22:49] <TheSheep> filipegatti: you also might try pyneighbourhood
[22:49] <filipegatti> never heard about this last one. i'm focusing on the more lightweight system as possible.
[22:51] <filipegatti> pyneiborhood installs smbfs as required :P
[22:51] <filipegatti> i'll give a try
[22:52] <TheSheep> you might need to add your user to the fuse group and relog
[22:55] <Serraphyn> whats the command to start xfce4 like gnome-session is for gnome, is it xfce4-session?
[22:55] <heapy> helloa!
[23:00] <heapy> can someone help me get flash working on hardy, xubuntu 32bit. I have dloaded flash-nonfree but youtube doesn't work. also i have looked at /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree & there isn't any files in the folder.. whats going on lads?
[23:03] <TheSheep> heapy: what does 'I have dloaded' mean exactly?
[23:05] <heapy> i tried you tube.. and it said i didnt have flash, so i pressed a button to install flash from firefox.. it dloaded flashpluggin-nonfree.. but when i look at the folder, it contains nothing
[23:05] <heapy> synaptic shows flashplugin-nonfree installed
[23:07] <TheSheep> heapy: uninstall it and install again, with synaptic this time
[23:07] <heapy> & javascript is enabled in firefox im confused!
[23:07] <TheSheep> heapy: it will ask you to accept a license
[23:07] <heapy> ok
[23:08] <TheSheep> heapy: that package doesn't contain the flashplayer itself, because the license doesn't allow it, instead it has a script that asks you to accept license and then downloads and installs flashplayer
[23:09] <heapy> hang about!!!
[23:09] <heapy> synaptic just said.. file not installed could not find blah blah plugin-nonfree
[23:10] <heapy> it said "install complete" but when i pressed details it said it couldnt find the file to dload!
[23:11] <TheSheep> update the package list
[23:12] <heapy> what does the little star mean next to some of the files in synaptic?
[23:12] <heapy> on the box to tick i mean
[23:14] <TheSheep> heapy: the little ubuntu logo?
[23:15] <TheSheep> h	it means the package is officially supported by Canonical
[23:17] <heapy> wicked lad, that worked a treat!! i had to add something to the repositry (sp)
[23:17] <heapy> in synaptic
[23:19] <j1mc> Hi TheSheep
[23:20] <heapy> just one more thing to do, and im complete.. & thats to get a ntfs partition that i keep my music on to be reconised in xubuntu.. i have ran parted magic, and created the partition but dunno what to do so i can see it in here
[23:20] <j1mc> heapy: do you want the NTFS partition to be accessible when you boot your PC?
[23:20] <j1mc> each time?
[23:21] <heapy> you mean so i can access the partition everytime i boot into the xubuntu desktop, yes. but i dont want it to be an option to boot *into, cus it doesnt have an os installed
[23:22] <heapy> its just for media stuff
[23:22] <j1mc> heapy: ok
[23:22] <j1mc> :)
[23:22] <heapy> do you know how i can wangle that m8?
[23:22] <j1mc> what you'll need to do is create a folder that will serve at the mounting point of that partition
[23:23] <j1mc> and then tell your file system table (fstab) to mount that partition at boot.
[23:23] <j1mc> so . . . you can create the folder /home/heapy/media or /home/heapy/music or whatever
[23:24] <heapy> ok so i make a folder, /home/heapy/media then what boss? how do i use fstab? (i have not done this b4)
[23:25] <j1mc> sure... you'll need to find out how your disk sees the ntfs partition.
[23:25] <heapy> can parted magic help me on this? thats how i created the partitions in the first place u c
[23:25] <j1mc> parted magic can't help so much here.
[23:26] <j1mc> to see how your computer sees the partition, type "sudo mount | grep ntfs" (without the quotes)
[23:26] <j1mc> into a terminal
[23:26] <heapy> ther was an option to "mount" the ntfs partition to sda3 or somthing
[23:26] <heapy> shall i type that now?
[23:27] <j1mc> the "mount" command lists all of your disk partitions - grep says "only show me the ones that contain ntfs" in the results
[23:27] <j1mc> yes, please do that now
[23:27] <heapy> nothing happened!
[23:28] <j1mc> to see how your computer sees the partition, type "sudo mount | grep NTFS" (without the quotes)
[23:28] <j1mc> try it with capital NTFS
[23:29] <heapy> lad, i think i messed up.. i will restart and wont be long lad,.. can u wait 5?
[23:29] <heapy> i think i might of re-formatted the partition cus i was in a rage earlier :)
[23:29] <j1mc> ok
[23:29] <heapy> ta m8, brb
[23:30] <Odd-rationale> "!ntfs" might have some info...
[23:30] <Odd-rationale> !ntfs
[23:32] <j1mc> hi Odd-rationale . . . i forgot about fdisk -l
[23:32] <Memfis> Evening all, I'm familiar with debian and have been running it as a server OS for many years. I took the leap and setup an Xubuntu server which I vnc into. The only problem I have is that when no monitor is plugged in locally X starts in failsafe mode. whats the best way to prevent this as I want to run it as a headless box?
[23:32] <j1mc> Odd-rationale: that looks super-helpful, though.  :)  thx.
[23:32] <j1mc> why reinvent the wheel, right?
[23:33] <j1mc> Memfis: do you need any of the gui apps installed as part of xubuntu?
[23:33] <Memfis> yes I'll use vnc
[23:34] <j1mc> hm, there must be a way to only start the pc up to a certain runlevel, and then startx from there.
[23:34] <j1mc> i'm not sure how, exactly, though.
[23:35] <Memfis> It's just the auto detection thing
[23:35] <heapy> heya,
[23:36] <heapy> it was sudo mount | grep NTFS ?
[23:36] <j1mc> heapy, sorry, try "sudo fdisk -l"  the last character being a lowercase L
[23:37] <heapy> aha
[23:37] <heapy> that shows some info
[23:37] <j1mc> anything about ntfs or windows?
[23:37] <heapy> HPFS/NTFS
[23:37] <heapy> /dev/sda3
[23:37] <heapy> 50gb
[23:37] <j1mc> ok
[23:38] <j1mc> our next step is to alter our /etc/fstab file
[23:38] <heapy> oke
[23:38] <j1mc> that shows the filesystem where all of our partitions are
[23:39] <j1mc> first, let's backup our current fstab file
[23:39] <heapy> good plan :)
[23:39] <Odd-rationale> j1mc: np. :D
[23:39] <j1mc> sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab_backup
[23:39] <j1mc> that copies the /etc/fstab file :)  (cp == copy)
[23:39] <heapy> missing destination file after fstab_backup
[23:40] <j1mc> what?  is that an error message?
[23:40] <heapy> cp: missing destination file operand after `/etc/fstab_backup'
[23:40] <heapy> Try `cp --help' for more information.
[23:41] <Odd-rationale> you forgot to put /etc/fstab
[23:41] <Odd-rationale> cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.bak
[23:42] <Odd-rationale> i think you might have just done "cp /etc/fstab_backup"
[23:42] <heapy> sheapy:~$ sudo cp /etc/fstab_backup
[23:42] <heapy> thats what i wrote m8
[23:42] <Odd-rationale> yeah... that's what i mean...
[23:42] <j1mc> sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab_backup
[23:43] <j1mc> heapy: you skipped the original "/etc/fstab"
[23:43] <heapy> psheapy:~$ sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab_backup
[23:43] <j1mc> the command needs to be "as root, copy /etc/fstab to /etc/fstab_backup"
[23:43] <j1mc> you just said, "as root, copy /etc/fstab_backup"
[23:44] <heapy> thanks, gottcha now lad duur im a donut
[23:45] <j1mc> did it work now?
[23:45] <heapy> well it hasn't done anything, its waiting for me to do some more i think
[23:45] <heapy> this is correct:
[23:45] <heapy> heapy:~$ sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab_backup
[23:47] <Memfis> anyone else able to help with with running X in headless?
[23:47] <j1mc> heapy: ok, ubuntu now uses something called a UUID as part of setting the mount points
[23:47] <heapy> oke..
[23:47] <mschemerii> Memfis: in what way are you wanting headless? (terminal access and/or GUI)
[23:47] <heapy> im listenin m8. and learning
[23:47] <j1mc> it's more specific than just device labels, so we need to determine the UUID of your NTFS partition
[23:48] <heapy> ok
[23:48] <Memfis> GUI. I've setup xubuntu gui, but starting it without a monitor X complains and goes into failsafe mode
[23:48] <j1mc> so because your ntfs partition is at /dev/sda3, we need to identify the UUID of that partition
[23:48] <j1mc> to do that, we can enter, "sudo vol_id -u /dev/sda3"
[23:48] <j1mc> (without the quotes)
[23:49] <j1mc> you should get a string of characters that make no sense to you.  :)
[23:49] <heapy> mm error opening volume
[23:49] <Odd-rationale> j1mc: i'm not too sure about using uuid with ntfs...
[23:49] <j1mc> really?
[23:49] <Odd-rationale> just use device name...
[23:49] <j1mc> Odd-rationale: ok
[23:49] <j1mc> thx
[23:50] <Odd-rationale> do "sudo mkdir /media/ntfs" then http://paste2.org/p/116521
[23:50] <Odd-rationale> or something like that...
[23:50] <heapy> would this be easier to use a different file system for my media stuff lads?
[23:50] <Odd-rationale> heapy: well, depends..
[23:51] <Odd-rationale> do you need to use this parition with windows as well?
[23:51] <Odd-rationale> if so, then it is better to use ntfs... if you are using it only with linux, then ext3 would be better...
[23:51] <heapy> not right now i wont. but i figure i will be needing to install windows again in the future for some course work.. its a requirement
[23:52] <Odd-rationale> ok. well, ntfs works fine in linux...
[23:52] <Odd-rationale> now at least...
[23:52] <j1mc> yeah, it should be fine, heapy
[23:52] <Odd-rationale> anyways. gtg...
[23:52] <j1mc> ok, well, we've backed up our fstab file, so let's open up the regular one, and edit it
[23:52] <heapy> night night odd rat m8
[23:52] <j1mc> gksudo mousepad /etc/fstab
[23:53] <heapy> okw j1mc am wid u
[23:53] <j1mc> let me know when it's open
[23:53] <heapy> open...
[23:53] <j1mc> are there any lines in it that talk about /dev/sda3 already?
[23:54] <heapy> no, just sda1 and sda5 oh and scd0 for cdrom
[23:54] <j1mc> cool - we'll add a line for sda3 then
[23:54] <j1mc> copy and paste this complete line into a new line
[23:54] <j1mc> /dev/sda3 /home/heapy/media ntfs ro,user,auto,noexec,umask=0 0 0
[23:55] <heapy> do i actually need to make the folder at this point?
[23:55] <j1mc> you can make the folder right after we do this - it's ok
[23:56] <j1mc> or you can do it now
[23:56] <j1mc> either wya
[23:56] <j1mc> way
[23:56] <heapy> is /home/heapy <- the name of the computer?
[23:56] <j1mc> if you open up a new terminal . . .
[23:56] <j1mc> and type in   pwd   what comes up?
[23:57] <heapy> ./home/thomas
[23:57] <j1mc> /dev/sda3 /home/thomas/media ntfs ro,user,auto,noexec,umask=0 0 0
[23:57] <heapy> gottcha
[23:58] <heapy> .. am adding this line under the cdrom0
[23:58] <j1mc> ok
[23:58] <heapy> done..
[23:59] <j1mc> add a line above the one you just added that says #mount ntfs partition  (include the hash symbol) :)
[23:59] <j1mc> the hash symbol tells the computer to not read that line


[10:16] <Iester> Hello. Has anybody any experience with programming MIDlet applications for mobile phones?


[22:18] <kitty_> i need to mount a new fs for it
[22:20] <Hamr1> kitty_: /var/cache/apt/archives
[22:20] <Hamr1> make sure you copy anything there to the new fs as well
[22:21] <Hamr1> gtg
[22:26] <mefisto__> kitty_: what are you upgrading from/to by the way?
[22:26] <kitty_> dapper drake
[22:27] <kitty_> i haven't had to update anything in like 2 years
[22:27] <kitty_> finally got a new program that needed library i didn't have and wasn't offered in the ubuntu repositories, and only in hardy for medibuntu
[22:27] <elo> wow that's ancient
[22:28] <kitty_> oh just wait till you find out i'm on a 900Mhz t-bird (predating xp processors)
[22:28] <kitty_> that i've had since 98
[22:28] <mefisto__> dapper to hardy? is that even possible?
[22:29] <calabazal> First time using a Linux Distribution, must say it's diffrent in a good way ^^
[22:30] <calabazal> Like anything thou lots of tweaking to do >.<
[22:30] <zabbadapp> calabazal: did you install with a separate partition for /home ?
[22:31] <BluesKaj> dapper to hardy is possible but there are some stops along the way like edgy and feisty
[22:31] <calabazal> idd
[22:31] <calabazal> Indeed*
[22:32] <mefisto__> so kitty_ how far are you going to upgrade? just dapper to edgy?
[22:32] <calabazal> although for some reason its not reading my 2nd hdd on a ntfs partiton so i can't seem to access my windows files while on linux, unless ofc i transfer the files over while on windows =/
[22:32] <zabbadapp> claydoh: good, then alot of you settings and tweaking will be intact if you ever reinstall everything (and keep /home unformatted)
[22:33] <kitty_> is there a cli for bittorrent?
[22:33] <Dr_willis> there are console based bittorrent clients.. yes...
[22:33] <zabbadapp> calabazal: most is saved in your home directory ... it's magic to boot up after a complete reinstall and find everything like you left it
[22:34] <Dr_willis> its possible some of the gui ones have command line front ends.. never noticed that befor.
[22:34] <mefisto__> calabazal: have you run the ntfs config tool?
[22:34] <Ash-Fox> Help, I'm in a parallel universe or something. I just discovered searching for 'lcars' turns up nothing in Kubuntu.
[22:39] <BlackBsd> where are the downloaded files used to upgrade packages kept?
[22:39] <BlackBsd> distfiles?
[22:43] <mefisto__> BlackBsd: /var/cache/apt/archives
[22:51] <ImperialJester> What package should I use for javac?
[22:53] <mefisto__> java?
[22:54] <mellops> ich hab da nochmal sone Frage
[22:54] <mellops> wie kann ich denn den flashplayer für Firefox unter Ubuntu installieren?
[22:54] <mellops> bei den paketen ist der nicht dabei und wenn ich den manuell installiere wird ja firefox net wissen , dass der da ist
[22:55] <mefisto__> !de | mellops
[22:56] <mellops> oops , my bad
[22:56] <mefisto__> np mellops
[22:56] <mefisto__> !flash
[22:57] <mellops> cool thanks
[23:00] <GoogleMail> Hello
[23:02] <mefisto__> hello GoogleMail
[23:02] <GoogleMail> where do i find a gmail messenger for Kubuntu?
[23:02] <mefisto__> you mean chat?
[23:03] <GoogleMail> ya like msn etc
[23:03] <mefisto__> kopete
[23:03] <GoogleMail> it doesnt support gmail
[23:04] <mellops> hmm I cant find flashplayer in the repository
[23:05] <GoogleMail> i gotta c ya people
[23:06] <mellops> mhhh thants strange I just entered it in the console and there it has been found
[23:06] <mefisto__> mellops: it's flashplugin-nonfree, in multiverse
[23:07] <mellops> had the same problem with thunderbird , could find it in the console but not in the add programms
[23:07] <mellops> is multiverse the graphic surface?
[23:09] <mefisto__> repositories are divided in categories (universe, multiverse, restricted, etc)
[23:09] <jose> ups
[23:11] <mefisto__> mellops: "kdesu software-properties-kde" will allow you to enable multiverse if it's not enabled
[23:15] <level1_> how can I get the ip address of someone on irc?
[23:15] <level1_> (that someone is my other computer)
[23:16] <kitty_> do you have axs @ that computer?
[23:16] <kitty_> or you just trying to /whois them?
[23:16] <Dr_willis>  /whois nickname   - may or may not give their ip.
[23:16] <kitty_> they normally mask the ip now so you can't attack people's networks
[23:17] <kitty_> there are commands in clients to echo your local/foreign ips
[23:23] <Dr_willis> ifconfig | grep  'inet addr'
[23:23] <Dr_willis>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[23:23] <Dr_willis> :)
[23:23] <Dr_willis> of course thats my local lan address
[23:24] <ahorriblemess> Hi everyone
[23:24] <ahorriblemess> In the terminal, how can I run something with another program? I want to make a shortcut in my k menu for a game that I open with DOSBox
[23:26] <Dr_willis> dosbox has config files and command line options. You could make an alias/script to make it run exactly what you want
[23:26] <Dr_willis> Then make the K menu launch that script
[23:26]  * Dr_willis plays with DosBox a lot.
[23:27] <Dr_willis> I have each dos game in its own directory. and inside the directory is the proper dosbox config file to launch that game.. all i have to do is 'cd DosBox/GameDir' and run 'dosbox' and it launches the game for me.
[23:28] <ahorriblemess> Dr_willis: I usually just right click the .exe and choose "run with DOSBox". but I want to make shortcuts for my k menu
[23:29] <level1_> Dr_willis: doing a query works... btw, I'm in a different building than the computer I'm trying to find the ip of so I can't just ifconfig
[23:31] <kitty_> hi
[23:36] <ForgeAus> help!!!
[23:36] <ForgeAus> getting a message saying unable to write to Xauthority ice or something like that on login
[23:38] <ahorriblemess> Does anyone at all know the terminal command to run a file with a program? (ex: /exe/cutable/file "program to open it with"?)
[23:40] <ForgeAus> I think its mounting my /sdb2 (kubuntu system partition) in readonly or something...
[23:41] <ForgeAus> hmm I can't seem to open /dev/sdb2 for writing :(
[23:43] <kitty_> df
[23:43] <kitty_> is it full?
[23:44] <kitty_> you can also try dmsg | tail and see if there are warrinings about device/block errors
[23:45] <ForgeAus> kitty are you talking to me?
[23:45] <kitty_> yes
[23:45] <ForgeAus> ok
[23:46] <ForgeAus> dmsg tells me command not found (using liveCD here might not be installed)
[23:46] <kitty_> oh
[23:46] <ForgeAus> actually its a feisty boot disk
[23:46] <kitty_> sorry, dmesg | tail
[23:47] <ForgeAus> [  402.588480] SQUASHFS error: Unable to read page, block 107c5f83, size 20ba
[23:47] <ForgeAus> [  451.557625] kjournald starting.  Commit interval 5 seconds
[23:47] <ForgeAus> [  451.558086] EXT3 FS on sdb2, internal journal
[23:47] <ForgeAus> [  451.558095] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.
[23:47] <kitty_> you don't have to paste the whole thing
[23:47] <ForgeAus> (its got 2 or 3 other repeaats of attempts at mounting sdb2
[23:47] <kitty_> what is sdb ? flash drive or usb disk?
[23:47] <ForgeAus> sata
[23:48] <ForgeAus> partition 2 of sata HDD
[23:48] <ForgeAus> (second HDD)
[23:48] <ForgeAus> I also have a first sata HDD
[23:48] <ForgeAus> (and 2x CDRW)
[23:48] <kitty_> which command are you using to mount ?
[23:48] <ForgeAus> sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt/sdb2
[23:49] <ForgeAus> (even tried it with the -o rw )
[23:50] <ForgeAus> can't change anything even though I can mount it :(
[23:50] <ForgeAus> this isn't going to help any :( whats the point of all these security measures if you can't even use your PC!!!!
[23:50] <kitty_> did you try df?
[23:50] <kitty_> is the device full?
[23:51] <ForgeAus> Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
[23:51] <ForgeAus> /dev/sdb2            112452932   8154696  98585924   8% /mnt/sdb2
[23:51] <ForgeAus> shouldn't be very full
[23:51] <ForgeAus> although 8% is lots less than I expected
[23:52] <kitty_> lol
[23:52] <ForgeAus> but everything seems to b there
[23:52] <kitty_> what is the error you get when you try to write
[23:53] <kitty_> you writing as sudo ?
[23:53] <ForgeAus> its a big partition so I guess I shouldn't be suprised
[23:53] <ForgeAus> ahh I'll try copying
[23:54] <ForgeAus> wait it worked!
[23:54] <ForgeAus> weird!
[23:54] <kitty_> you might need to be root if you mounted it as root, try putting it in fstab or chown the damn thing
[23:55] <ForgeAus> yeah I think its fstab I need to fix now
[23:55] <ForgeAus> should sdb2 be ro or rw in fstab?
[23:56] <ForgeAus> wait thats errors-remount-rw
[23:56] <ForgeAus> that isn't going to help :(
[23:56] <ForgeAus> uh... this is weird!
[23:57] <DrIDK> does package kde4 from lauchpad work currently ?
[23:57] <ForgeAus> I don't know what to do with it :(
[23:57] <ForgeAus> ls
[23:58] <ForgeAus> damn everything looks right now, but it still don't work :(
[23:58] <kitty_> ro is read only ? no clue i'd have to look
[23:58] <ForgeAus> brb resetting to try again...
[23:58] <ForgeAus> ro is read only
[23:58] <ForgeAus> but thats only on error it remounts that way
[23:58] <ForgeAus> (maybe an error is occuring?)
[23:58] <ForgeAus> bbl trying a restart nayway


[15:59]  * slangasek waves
[16:00] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jan 22 16:00:25 2015 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:00] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[16:00] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity mvo sil2100 robru cyphermox)
[16:00] <slangasek> infinity jodh bdmurray caribou sil2100 slangasek barry stgraber robru cyphermox mvo doko
[16:00] <sil2100> o/
[16:00] <infinity> SRSLY?
[16:00] <infinity> Still typing.
[16:00] <slangasek> infinity: TYPE FASTER
[16:00] <infinity> CAN'T MAKE ME.
[16:01]  * sil2100 whips infinity
[16:01] <infinity> YOU'RE NOT MY REAL DAD.
[16:01] <slangasek> jodh: since someone is slacking, how about if you go first
[16:01] <jodh> * snappy
[16:01] <jodh>   - Worked on fixes prior to release on Tuesday.
[16:01] <jodh>   - Testing.
[16:01] <jodh> և
[16:02] <slangasek> bdmurray:
[16:02] <infinity> * SRUs of various IBM PPC utilities and libraries
[16:02] <infinity> * Hunted and fixed a d-i bug with modprobe error messages
[16:02] <infinity> * Helped hunt down an endian issue with unity-scopes-api
[16:02] <infinity> * Started looking at glibc 2.21
[16:02] <infinity> * A bit of kernel SRU wrangling
[16:02] <slangasek> oh ok
[16:02] <infinity> [...]
[16:02] <slangasek> ;)
[16:02] <infinity> Bah.
[16:02] <infinity> Timing.
[16:02] <bdmurray> updated the Error Tracker to work with django 1.6 and its dependencies
[16:02] <bdmurray> updated daisy / errors to set ALLOWED_HOSTS for django
[16:02] <bdmurray> worked on charm changes to be able to set allowed_hosts for django
[16:02] <bdmurray> updated errors branch (r518) to set SESSION_SERIALIZER which fixes log in issue
[16:02] <bdmurray> updated daisy-plucker charms to use thedac's save_cassandra method
[16:03] <bdmurray> updated RT #77920 with information about errors update
[16:03] <bdmurray> updated daisy to add counters for channel and device_name
[16:03] <bdmurray> updated daisy to write the channel and device_name to the SystemImages CF
[16:03] <bdmurray> updated errors code to display channels
[16:03] <bdmurray> updated test-crashes to include SystemImageInfo for armhf crashes on Vivid
[16:03] <bdmurray> updated submit-crash tool to change Date in crash reports so "duplicates" can be submitted
[16:03] <bdmurray> short week due to holiday on Monday
[16:03] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[16:03] <caribou> * Maas 1.5 & 1.7 tests
[16:03] <caribou> * Apport upstream work :
[16:04] <caribou> - Implement direct extract of large binaries for kernel crash dumps
[16:04] <caribou> (done)
[16:04] <sil2100> o/
[16:04] <sil2100> - Landing team work, silos coordination, preparing landing e-mails
[16:04] <sil2100> - Qt 5.4
[16:04] <sil2100>   * Looking into and fixing the armhf stellarium build failure
[16:04] <sil2100>   * Fixing the qtserialport-opensource-src and qtdoc-opensource-src FTFBS
[16:04] <sil2100>   * Making sure the dependency chain builds
[16:04] <sil2100>   * Re-building unity8
[16:04] <sil2100>   * Enabling Qt 5.4 on local krillin, manual testing
[16:04] <sil2100> - Ubuntu Engineering Live
[16:04] <sil2100> - RTM status meetings
[16:04] <sil2100> - Discussions and planning for the big nearing milestone
[16:04] <sil2100> - Prepare a revert of thumbnailer in the case of an emergency
[16:04] <sil2100> - Manually publishing a qtmir silo (branch rebase and merging required)
[16:04] <sil2100> - Preparing temporary syntax in the CI Train spreadsheet for tarball/click sign-off
[16:04] <sil2100> (done)
[16:06] <slangasek>  * SRU reviews for 14.04.2
[16:06] <slangasek>  * successful upstart-systemd porting sprint last week, thanks to all who participated
[16:06] <slangasek>   * still have fixing nfs-common on my plate to follow through on this week
[16:06] <slangasek>  * snappy IoT release this week, kudos to jodh and mvo: http://www.ubuntu.com/things
[16:06] <slangasek>  * moving forward the backfilling process
[16:06] <slangasek>  * trainguard coverage this coming weekend, for the upcoming phone release
[16:06] <slangasek> (done)
[16:06] <barry> short week due to usa holiday
[16:06] <barry> system-image: LP: #1373467 landed in trunk.  investigated two bugs with udm: LP: #1411866 and LP: #1413265.  (i need to ping mandel again about these).  LP: #1412698 for snappy and 3.0.  started spec'ing out testing server (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-image/+spec/test-server)
[16:06] <barry> debuntu: cloud-init py3 port (lp:~barry/cloud-init/py2-3)
[16:06] <barry> other: Pycon 2015 language summit planning
[16:07] <barry> ©
[16:07] <stgraber> LXC/LXCFS/LXD/CGMANAGER (aka container stuff):
[16:07] <stgraber>  - Sent one last systemd fix upstream (with the upstreaming now taken over by pitti).
[16:07] <stgraber>  - Got systemd working fine in privileged and unprivileged containers without
[16:07] <stgraber>    having to compromise on security.
[16:07] <stgraber>  - Updated REST API spec for LXD.
[16:07] <stgraber>  - Released lxcfs 0.1 and uploaded.
[16:07] <stgraber>  - Released lxcfs 0.2 and uploaded.
[16:07] <stgraber>  - Released lxcfs 0.3 and uploaded.
[16:07] <stgraber>  - Released lxc 1.1 rc1 and uploaded.
[16:07] <stgraber>  - Filed MIR for lxcfs (bug 1413405)
[16:07] <stgraber>  - Filed MIR for lua-filesystem (bug 1413402)
[16:07] <stgraber>  - Moved cgmanager from github.com/cgmanager to github.com/lxc alongside all
[16:07] <stgraber>    the other projects.
[16:07] <stgraber>  - SRUed the fix for bug 1075717 back to precise (to get it running under LXC 1.1)
[16:07] <stgraber>  - Got our arm64 and ppc64el builders back online
[16:07] <stgraber>  - Plenty of code reviews
[16:07] <stgraber>  - Preparing for the LXD sprint and for the mid-cycle cloud sprint
[16:08] <stgraber>
[16:08] <stgraber> Other:
[16:08] <stgraber>  - Been trying to help get 1SS IPv6 connectivty back online.
[16:08] <stgraber>  - Been asked to debug system-image a few times. No problem at all, just people
[16:08] <stgraber>    not knowing how to read their screen.
[16:08] <stgraber>
[16:08] <stgraber> Next couple of weeks:
[16:08] <stgraber>  - In Brussels for the LXD hackfest from Tuesday to Friday
[16:08] <stgraber>  - In Brussels for FOSDEM on Saturday
[16:08] <stgraber>  - In Cape Town for the mid-cycle Cloud Sprint the whole week after that
[16:08] <stgraber>  - Things get back to normal on the 9th of February
[16:08] <stgraber>
[16:08] <stgraber> TODO:
[16:08] <stgraber>  - Release LXC 1.1 (plan is for early next week)
[16:08] <stgraber>  - Release LXD 0.1 (plan is for end of next week)
[16:08] <stgraber>
[16:08] <stgraber> (DONE)
[16:08] <infinity> stgraber: You got our builders back online?  Was I dreaming when I did that? :)
[16:08] <stgraber> infinity: "my" builders :)
[16:09] <infinity> stgraber: Oh, different "our". :)
[16:09] <stgraber> our here refers to LXC :)
[16:10] <slangasek> robru:
[16:11] <slangasek> ok, we'll come back to robru
[16:11] <slangasek> cyphermox:
[16:11] <cyphermox>  * looked at ubiquity bug 1408495 until it turned up being an overlayfs bug (1410480)
[16:11] <cyphermox>  * landed another fix for bluez's input stack in archive and in RTM
[16:11] <cyphermox>  * fixed MTP upstart job to not needlessly respawn all the time
[16:11] <cyphermox>  * investigated session upstart signal emission issues with rsalveti
[16:11] <slangasek> overlayfs> yeah, thought so :P
[16:11] <cyphermox>  * waiting for review for a bluetooth agent rework in u-s-s before it can land.
[16:11] <cyphermox>  * worked on fixing autopkgtests for the new NM version in preparation for upload
[16:11] <cyphermox> (done)
[16:12] <slangasek> mvo:
[16:12] <mvo> click:
[16:12] <mvo> - prototype chroot mirror selection based on geoip
[16:12] <mvo> - Work on #1358294 (data removal on uninstall of apps)
[16:12] <mvo> - Work on preparing a new release (review/merge various branches)
[16:12] <mvo> misc:
[16:12] <mvo> - finish "numeric_owner" support for python tarfile (python #23193)
[16:12] <mvo> - improve test/fix for python tarfile symlink crash (python #23228)
[16:12] <mvo> - various (snappy) meeting
[16:12] <mvo> snappy:
[16:12] <mvo> - alpha-2!
[16:12] <mvo> - work on snappy golang port
[16:12] <mvo> - lots more (~45 gtimelog entries) but mostly details
[16:12] <mvo> (done)
[16:13] <slangasek> doko:
[16:14] <doko> - first gcc-5 package uploaded to the ubuntu-toolchain-r/test PPA
[16:14] <doko> - preparing openjdk security updates.
[16:14] <doko> (done)
[16:14] <doko> now chasing all the build failures ...
[16:14] <slangasek> robru: here?
[16:15] <slangasek> any questions / discussion points over status?
[16:15] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:15] <slangasek> or anything else, generally? :)
[16:16] <infinity> I'm going to bed soon!
[16:16] <infinity> Generally.
[16:16] <cyphermox> any tasks for me, generally?
[16:16] <slangasek> um thanks infinity for the update
[16:16] <slangasek> anyone else?
[16:16] <slangasek> cyphermox: I have a few things I can lob in your direction, let's talk later today :)
[16:17] <cyphermox> zug zug
[16:17] <infinity> Something need doing?
[16:17] <mvo> cyphermox: and welcome, great to have you!
[16:17] <cyphermox> mvo: thanks!
[16:19] <slangasek> yes, welcome to cyphermox, who is forced to attend our meetings even when he hasn't started yet ;)
[16:19] <infinity> "Forced"
[16:19] <infinity> He seemed pretty keen to show up.
[16:19] <mvo> hehehe
[16:20] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[16:20] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jan 22 16:20:23 2015 UTC.
[16:20] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-01-22-16.00.moin.txt
[16:20] <slangasek> thanks, everyone!
[16:20] <barry> thanks!
[16:20] <mvo> thanks
[16:20] <caribou> thanks slangasek
[16:20] <jodh> thanks!


[11:30] <simon___> hello, i have found a bug but don't know where to report: i have a packard-bell laptop and the kernel loads asus_laptop by default. this driver is causing some problems (e.g. wifi) and the workaround is to blacklist the driver
[13:56] <andreoli> hi all, I have uploaded a source package for a modified kernel
[13:56] <andreoli> upload is ok, build fails with the following message
[13:56] <andreoli> II: Checking ABI for generic... EE: Previous or current ABI file missing!     /build/buildd/linux-2.6.32/debian.master/abi/2.6.32-24.38/amd64/generic make: *** [abi-check-generic] Error 1 dpkg-buildpackage: error: /usr/bin/fakeroot debian/rules binary-arch gave error exit status 2
[13:57] <andreoli> How do I skip ABI checks in launchpad builds? Is it possible at all?
[13:57] <andreoli> I wouldn't like to bump the ABI
[13:59] <andreoli> Forgot to tell: upload is to a PPA
[14:04] <abogani> andreoli, "skipabi = true" in debian.XXX/rules.d/ARCH.mk
[14:08] <andreoli> thx, abogani :) will try right now
[14:08] <andreoli> by the way, anyone care to try my work? Where can I announce it?
[14:11] <abogani> andreoli, You could let people let know of it announcing it on kernel-team mailing list and on ubuntu-devel.
[14:11] <abogani> andreoli, Can you explain me your work in a single line?
[14:16] <andreoli> yes
[14:16] <andreoli> I and my colleague have written a new diskj I/O scheduler that outperforms significantly the current one (CFQ)
[14:17] <andreoli> it has latency 5 to 10 times better and a twofold throughput for many workload scenarios
[14:18] <andreoli> for more information, you can read here (sorry for advertising :)):
[14:18] <andreoli> http://algo.ing.unimo.it/people/paolo/disk_sched/
[14:19] <andreoli> I mainly helped debug the beast, my colleague paolo worked the algorithm out and proposed an implementation
[14:30] <shadeslayer> when i installed the nvidia drivers it said that it could not build modules for the current kernel since it did not have kernel sources, any ideas on this?
[14:30] <shadeslayer> ( ive already installed linux-source-2.6.35 to no avail )
[14:33] <abogani> shadeslayer, You should try to install appropriate linux-header-*s package
[14:33] <shadeslayer> ah i see
[14:35] <shadeslayer> E: Package linux-headers-2.6.35-11-generic has no installation candidate
[14:36] <shadeslayer> hmm 2.6.35-13 does exisist tho
[14:38] <abogani> uname -a should report which version you are need to have installed
[14:48] <shadeslayer> abogani: there is no  -11 headers package
[14:48] <shadeslayer> which is weird.. but i guess its due to the fact we have a -13 package now
[16:19] <simon___> again.. i have found a bug and don't know where to report it: i have a packard-bell laptop and the kernel loads asus_laptop driver by default (it's enabled in the stup process). it's a driver that's causing some problems (e.g. wifi) and the workaround is to blacklist it. where should i report it?
[23:46] <proppy> Hi, which rc is 2.6.35-12 ?


[13:44] <jose> popey: hey, I do have access to meetingology.
[13:45] <jose> hggdh, Unit193: I'll check on this in just a bit, just found out
[13:45] <teward> jose: sounds like we need an additional meetingology admin :/
[13:45] <teward> also long time no chat.
[13:47] <jose> sure, I'd be happy to look into it
[13:47] <jose> yeah, we should catch up sometime
[13:48] <teward> indeed.
[13:59] <jose> sorry for the disruption, everyone. meetingology's back online and running as usual.
[14:11] <teward> jose: you need a monitoring script.  :p
[14:11] <jose> no, I just need push notifications working again on my znc *stares at teward*
[14:12] <teward> *stares back at jose, armed with a phaser rifle*
[14:12] <teward> sorry there's incessant evils today on the BItcoin chats, i'm wielding the phasers of destiny there today :P
[14:16] <teward> do we know who manages ubottu?
[14:16] <teward> and its clones
[16:47] <pleia2> jose: mind if I update the wiki page about bots to put in your name as the contact for meetingology?
[17:42] <jose> pleia2: go ahead!
[17:49] <pleia2> done!