 Yeah.. They were good times
[11:20] <willcooke> wifi now doesnt work at all in the office for me
[11:20] <willcooke> seb128, same issue as I had at the hotel ^ :(
[11:21] <willcooke> time to change the wifi card again I think
[11:26] <Laney> jbicha: Want to review a gnome-session 3.20.2 package?
[11:26] <Laney> pwetty pwease
[11:27] <Laney> I'm not sure about how the wayland stuff there goes together
[11:28] <jbicha> Laney: ok, I had been procrastinating doing that update
[11:28] <Laney> jbicha: something (gnome-shell?) ends up wanting it now
[11:28] <Laney> pushing in 5 minutes
[11:28] <Laney> need to freshen the changelog
[11:36] <Laney> hmm
[11:36] <jbicha> Laney: there's some issues with ssh-agent but I don't know if newer software version fixed it https://bugs.debian.org/804703
[11:36] <jbicha> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-gnome/2016-June/004046.html
[11:38] <Laney> jbicha: for Ubuntu that's all in systemd now, would be worth testing for you
[11:38]  * Laney makes a note to update session-migration
[11:43] <jbicha> hmm, ssh is working fine for me today so I dunno
[11:43] <Laney> jbicha: ok, pushed
[12:04] <jbicha> onboard doesn't do well with wayland :(
[12:05] <Laney> :<
[12:17] <jbicha> Laney: looks good, built and seems to run fine with GNOME and GNOME on Wayland
[12:21] <Sweet5hark> heya, all! LibreOffice 5.2.0 is out! As a snap too!
[12:23] <seb128> willcooke, that's an annoying one :-/ Did you ever end up testing on a live image?
[12:23] <jbicha> Sweet5hark: +1
[12:23] <seb128> Sweet5hark, well done!
[13:22] <Laney> jbicha: nice, thanks
[13:24] <Laney> one of the new things in there is proper journal logging
[13:32] <seb128> we might want to look a gnome-logs again this cycle!
[13:33] <Laney> glib got some stuff too
[13:33] <Laney> didn't look at it yet
[13:34] <seb128> what does it change?
[13:34] <Laney> logging apis for the journal
[13:34] <seb128> makes things listed with the name of the app that print them?
[13:34] <Laney> you can do structured stuff too
[13:34] <seb128> because we sort of already had everything !upstartjob going to the journal it seems
[13:34] <seb128> at least every time I lookd for some log I find them there already in xenial
[13:35] <Laney> from gnome-session?
[13:35] <seb128> yes
[13:35] <Laney> indeed
[13:35] <Laney> that gets nicer with 3.20
[13:35] <Laney> and then app authors can use the new apis to do it nicer still
[13:35] <Laney> https://developer.gnome.org/glib/2.49/glib-Message-Logging.html#g-log-structured
[13:36] <seb128> ah, that has to do with the catalog thing
[13:36] <seb128> I was just reading a bit about that earlier
[13:37] <seb128> they added access to it in snappy's log-observer interface
[13:37] <seb128> cool
[13:37]  * seb128 has gnome-logs snapped worked under strong confinement with that
[13:47] <ximion> Laney: compiling asgen with LDC shows some interesting performance differences...
[13:48] <ximion> in general it looks like gdc creates much faster code (with a few exceptions where LDC beats GDC by a large margin) - the more recent druntime version of LDC apparently also reduces the memory usage a lot
[13:48] <ximion> all in all, annoying: you apparently can't get all the good things :P
[14:18] <willcooke> seb128, @ live image - yeah, same issue.  Must be hardware related
[14:18] <seb128> looks like it
[14:20] <willcooke> some odd combination of this card and whatever we use for wifi access points.  Works "fine" at home
[14:25] <Laney> ximion: so sticking with gdc?
[14:26] <ximion> Laney: I am thinking about it - GDC has better optimizers, but also a terribly old standard library and runtime
[14:26] <ximion> I need to do proper benchmarks on this
[14:26] <seb128> yeah :-/
[14:26] <ximion> maybe the speed advantages and disadvantages cancel each other out ^^
[14:27] <ximion> on my (more powerful) development system, I don't notice much of a difference
[14:27] <ximion> all effects I saw were on the slower deployment machine
[14:29] <ximion> Laney: what's missing for Ubuntu to use asgen?
[14:30] <Laney> same
[14:30] <Laney> langpack and translation
[14:30] <ximion> uh, things I don't know much about...
[14:30] <Laney> you know about translations
[14:30] <Laney> it's the same in debian
[14:30] <ximion> GLib has all the functions necessary to read .mo files though :)
[14:31] <Laney> will do it once gnome 3.20 is pushed in
[14:40] <ximion> great :)
[14:40] <ximion> I just added some code to reduce the statistics bloat a little
[14:41] <ximion> in a more distant future, we could simply cut of the data after a certain point in time
[14:45] <Laney> you can compress it
[14:45] <Laney> like rrd does
[16:30] <jbicha> Laney: you remember how we built webkit yesterday? well someone bumped the libwebp soname today
[16:32] <Laney> too busy crying over ssh-agent
[16:34] <jbicha> I rebooted and ssh-agent isn't cooperating here either
[16:35] <jbicha> I guess I unfortunately caught it at a good moment earlier
[16:39] <Laney> brb
[16:39] <seb128> time for some tennis here, bbl
[16:45] <Laney> jbicha: seems like it's a borked zshrc for me
[16:45] <jbicha> you don't use bash?
[16:45] <Laney> <- hipster
[16:46] <jbicha> ok, I'm using bash and I seem to have the ssh-agent bug now but I didn't earlier today
[16:48] <jbicha> but the Debian bug report said there was a race so that may be why it works some times
[16:48] <Laney> there's a bug in the new gpg-agent.service
[16:48] <Laney> this is systemd user stuff
[16:49] <Laney> it combined with a bug in my zshrc
[16:49] <Laney> to make a second ssh agent get started
[17:19] <Laney> night
[22:50] <kyrofa> Ah, I love the new scrollbars in xenial. So much better than 14.04


[00:07] <torriz> test
[00:07] <sarnold> torriz: test
[00:07] <sarnold> test torriz
[00:07] <sarnold> test
[00:09] <genii> !test | torriz
[00:09] <torriz> :D
[00:14] <patdk-lap> sarnold, you want to look at my interfaces file?
[00:14] <patdk-lap> did several more tests
[00:14] <sarnold> patdk-lap: sure
[00:14] <patdk-lap> still cannot get the gateway to turn up no matter what
[00:15] <patdk-lap> even had a problem when it was a single static ip
[00:15] <patdk-lap> or interface
[00:16] <patdk-lap> http://apaste.info/ePt
[00:17] <patdk-lap> it's worked on all ubuntu systems I have had, including 16.04, except on these two new ones I setup a few weeks ago
[00:18] <patdk-lap> I even attempted to add an, up route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:18] <patdk-lap> but that didn't work
[00:18] <patdk-lap> though running it on the cli manually, works fine
[00:19] <patdk-lap> removing everything except bond0, still doesn't make it work
[00:20] <sarnold> patdk-lap: "iface bond0 inet manual"  -- not 'static'? bond2 is set static
[00:20] <patdk-lap> it has no ip
[00:20] <sarnold> ahh
[00:21] <patdk-lap> atleast it works fine on my system here at home :)
[00:29] <sarnold> patdk-lap: no idea :/ it's the single most complicated one I've seen :) but it all makes sense.
[00:30] <patdk-lap> well, even with just the two entries, to make bond0 and bond0.4 work, gateway won't come up
[00:31] <patdk-lap> that is far from complicated :)
[00:31]  * sarnold shudders
[00:31] <patdk-lap> that is just a simple storage server :)
[00:31] <patdk-lap> you should look at the router/firewall ones
[02:06] <Tarifa> I just installed an Ubuntu server.  Was having a heckuva time getting ssh to reliably startup.  STarted to poke around, and find there are TWO init scripts -- /etc/init.d/ssh (for upstart) and /lib/systemd/system/ssh.service (for systemd).  I discovered that enabling one, seems to cause the other to try to start.  Screws up startup dependencies it seems.  As a test, I simply moved /etc/init.d/ssh out of the way, and restarted.
[02:06] <Tarifa> Everything works perfectly.
[02:07] <Tarifa> I'm not sure WHY there are both an upstart ssh and a systemd ssh installed; though Ubuntu had moved.
[02:07] <Tarifa> ANyway, is that the right way to DISABLE the /etc/init.d/ssh -- just move it?
[02:09] <sarnold> hah, even better than that, there's _three_ different sshd init systems -- /etc/init.d/ssh /etc/init/ssh.conf and /lib/.../ssh.service. *sigh*
[02:09] <RoyK> Tarifa: I stick to debian
[02:09] <sarnold> if you move the initscript it'll probably come back on future package upgrades
[02:09] <patdk-lap> just use the update-rc.d or whatever these days
[02:09] <RoyK> Tarifa: for servers
[02:09] <patdk-lap> or systemctl disable/mask/...
[02:10] <sarnold> Tarifa: please file a bug, 'ubuntu-bug openssh' and tag it with systemd-boot, I think that's how it'll get to the right people
[02:10] <patdk-lap> sarnold, no, only if you use rpm :)
[02:10] <sarnold> lol
[02:10] <Tarifa> patdk-lap: disable/mask to disable the init.d upstart service?
[02:10] <patdk-lap> why I left rhel, cause all the files kept coming back endlessly
[02:10] <patdk-lap> no to disable systemd service
[02:10] <patdk-lap> systemd will normally filter it down to upstart if needed though
[02:11] <Tarifa> patdk-lap: Ah.  I want the "other way"  --  ENable systemd, but DISable upstart
[02:11] <patdk-lap> normally systemd service just calls the upstart service
[02:11] <patdk-lap> systemd likes to be in-charge
[02:12] <Tarifa> patdk-lap: yeah, and I'm happy with systemd.  Just trying to figure out how to get the upstart stuff to "leave me alone" ....
[02:15] <Tarifa> sarnold: If I can figure it out enough to post more that "It don't work!", I will
[02:17] <sarnold> Tarifa: I've gotten the impression that one common reason why sshd doesn't come up reliably is that it binds to specific IP addresses withuot using IP_FREEBIND -- and that some network interfaces take too long to come up, so their addresses don't exist, so *boom*
[02:17] <sarnold> Tarifa: I wonder if fiddling with the sysv-init symlink causes it to run at a vastly different time..
[02:22] <Tarifa> sarnold: Yeah, I set specific IP addresses to listen.  That's easily taken care of by adding network-online.target dependency to a Unit file override.   Eventually I'll also have ssh use an nfs-mounted /etc/ssh, and add a 'RequiresMountsFor=' clause in a Unit file.  That delays ssh nicely until the network's up.
[02:23] <Tarifa> systemd makes it easy.  Trick *here* is to get Ubuntu to stop futzing around with upstart ssh.  Really, no clue why the /etc/init.d/ssh is still even installed.
[02:29] <sarnold> Tarifa: I think it was just a matter of running out of time to remove all the system upstart configs before release
[02:29] <sarnold> to do it Right would probably mean submitting patches to debian for the packages there with upstart configs, etc., and all that takes time.
[02:31] <Tarifa> sarnold: So even the Ubu init system is heavily dependent on Debian?  As you can guess, I'm new to this env.  systemd on Opensuse is very clean and pretty much legacy free at this point.
[02:31] <sarnold> Tarifa: yes, they've had several more years to clean it up, and only the one distribution to worry about :)
[02:33] <sarnold> Tarifa: funny thing is, debian didn't get rid of their N different inits.. it just switched The Default. we may not be able to get rid of the upstart configuration files, we may be stuck with keeping around config files for all three major inits :(
[02:33] <Tarifa> Well, more than one.  Suse != Opensuse.  And now Opensuse Leap != Opensuse Tumbleweed.
[02:33] <Tarifa> That's part of the problem I'm seeing these days.
[02:34] <Tarifa> sarnold: Hm.  Hadn't realized that.  Rolling these out in this 'shape' is gonna cause some problems it appears.
[02:35] <sarnold> Tarifa: well, that's what made me suggest the bug report -- this really should Just Work, even if it is bloody annoying on sysadmins to figure out which tool to use to disable a service. But sshd should start everywhere without trouble, and it mostly does (modulo those non-existant interfaces I mentioned a little while ago)
[02:36] <Tarifa> agree on the JustWork(tm)
[02:37] <Tarifa> In my experience so far, the distros don't do a particularly good job of either SSH or NFS startup.  Lots of sloppy, poorly thought out Unit files out there.
[02:38] <Tarifa> aaaaaand, of course, getting the maintainers to actually respond is like pulling teeth.
[02:38]  * Tarifa sighs
[02:38] <sarnold> I haven't noticed any issues with my NFS setup -- what went wrong for you there?
[02:41] <Tarifa> sarnold: It's working now.  But lots of mess with waiting for network interfaces to come up, drives to spin up, and static port deployments.  To 'amplify' the problem, try a big server with a dozen interfaces and 40+ drives in raid arrays.
[02:41] <Tarifa> Lots of fun.
[02:42] <sarnold> Tarifa: aha :) I've only got the one interface and ~dozen drives. heh.
[02:42] <Tarifa> Thank the stars for systemd's flexibility, imo!
[02:42] <Tarifa> Throw a KVM or Xen server in there, and watch the sparks fly differently for each distro.
[02:43] <Tarifa> sarnold: Then file a bug, and get back "Can't reproduce here, therefore not a bug".
[02:44] <Tarifa> Some of those folks need to upgrade their RPi's if you ask me ;-)
[02:44] <patdk-lap> just mark it invalid or won'tfix :)
[02:44] <patdk-lap> can't upgrade
[02:44] <patdk-lap> linux kernel has bugs, that make it unusable for me
[02:44] <sarnold> haha
[02:44] <Tarifa> heh
[02:45] <patdk-lap> they added in new network code for min packet header length
[02:45] <patdk-lap> but the min length is set to the max size
[02:45] <patdk-lap> and for variable sized header protocols, well, that doesn't work out well
[02:46] <patdk-lap> first people to start complaining where the rpi users
[02:48] <Tarifa> Ah, just got a ping from a friend.  Secret sauce seems to be: "systemctl disable ssh; update-rc.d ssh disable; systemctl enable ssh".  Apparently all 3 are needed.  Then add both Wants=network-online.target & Requires=network-online.target in an ssh service override.
[02:48] <Tarifa> Just tried it -- works a charm.
[02:49] <Tarifa> i really wish the devs would stop & RTFM on systemd network dependencies.  Specifically 'network' vs 'network-online'.
[02:50] <sarnold> Tarifa: please do file a bug.
[02:50] <patdk-lap> you just want to mark it, won't fix
[02:50] <sarnold> patdk-lap: not me, pitti :)
[02:51] <sarnold> I'm still new enuogh with systemd that I'm basically fish out of water .. he knows what's going on and is in a much better position to figure out what needs to be done about it :)
[02:51] <Tarifa> fwiw, @ https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/NetworkTarget/: "network.target has very little meaning during start-up" & "network-online.target is a target that actively waits until the nework is "up""
[02:51] <Tarifa> Guess which one is used in Ubu's ssh.service?
[02:52] <patdk-lap> haven't looked :)
[02:52] <patdk-lap> wonder what is in my ssh package
[02:52] <Tarifa> patdk-lap: Don't.  Be Happy.
[02:53] <Tarifa> Wow. The kitchen sink's in here<EMAIL_ADDRESS>& ssh.socket too.
[02:59] <Tarifa> Anyway. TT4N.
[04:14] <k2gremlin> Hello all, I was wondering the best approach to setup 2 hard drive for my media server. The OS drive I would like to have say 25GB. The "Storage" drive would be on the same datastore and maybe around 400gb.
[04:16] <sarnold> k2gremlin: i've got to run, here's a nice series of blog post about zfs that may interest you :)  https://pthree.org/2012/12/04/zfs-administration-part-i-vdevs/
[04:16] <k2gremlin> The reason for this is if I ever mess up my OS.. I would like to rebuilt it and add the storage vmdk as a secondary
[04:17] <sarnold> (fwiw I think it's still too much trouble to use zfs on root; simple ext4 or something is a lot easier there)
[04:18] <patdk-lap> btrfs for root?
[04:19] <sarnold> well if you want reasons to rebuild it.. hehe
[04:19] <patdk-lap> weekly?
[04:21] <sarnold> hey, the front page of their wiki no longer says "don't use this in production". it might be worth a look soon then.
[04:21] <patdk-lap> doubtful
[04:22] <sarnold> true, I'd rather have easy zfs on root (where easy means not having to read a howto :)
[04:23] <patdk-lap> it's always a nightmare for me to do encrypted root
[04:23] <patdk-lap> this last time to go encrypted, grub encrypted + EFI grub, took awhile
[04:25] <sarnold> hmm I thuoght the installer would do that if you wanted.
[04:25]  * sarnold blames patdk-lap and runs for dinner
[04:26] <patdk-lap> it doesn't really like encrypted /boot
[04:26] <sarnold> ahhhhh. /boot is getting harder to do these days.
[04:27] <sarnold> I gave in, I think none of my systems have a separate /boot any longer
[04:27] <patdk-lap> but as I learned about EFI
[04:27] <patdk-lap> heh, that is just a whole vaun point
[04:27] <patdk-lap> as I see it
[05:34] <stephanbuys> hi all, anyone here from canonical to chat about commercial support/troubleshooting of a failing system? (tried the web form a couple of weeks ago but got no reply)
[05:55] <M4R4B4> !help
[05:55] <M4R4B4> I need a scan like this someone has ??? http://prnt.sc/bmwh00
[13:18] <EmilienM> §b rdo-ci
[13:42] <cpaelzer> nacc: the step of "usd-importer/usd-merge reconstruct old/ubuntu" usually fails for me
[13:43] <cpaelzer> nacc: reason is that it has no local representation of debian/sid at this stage
[13:43] <cpaelzer> nacc: usd-merge: debian/sid is not a defined object in this git repository.
[13:43] <cpaelzer> nacc: a simple "git checkout debian/sid" gets it going again
[13:43] <rbasak> cpaelzer: try "git branch debian/sid origin/debian/sid", assuming your remote is "origin".
[13:44] <cpaelzer> rbasak: yeah the branch achieves likely the same as my checkout
[13:44] <rbasak> cpaelzer: this is bug 1595298
[13:44] <cpaelzer> thanks for the pointer rbasak
[14:28] <pulsar12> when i create a file on a file-ACL enabled system, the mask applied is rw-. but i have the group set to rwx. i was expecting to see mask=rwx, since documentation states that ACL mask is the union of all group and user permissions
[15:27] <nacc> cpaelzer: yes, or do `usd-merge reconstruct old/ubuntu origin/debian/sid`
[15:27] <nacc> cpaelzer: will fix on the bug
[15:33] <cpaelzer> nacc: now we have three workarounds :-)
[15:33] <cpaelzer> nacc: thanks for fixing it somewhen
[15:35] <nacc> cpaelzer: either today or tmrw, i hope


[12:15] <ubotu> New bug: #134384 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "mysql reports debian etch distribution" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134384
[12:21] <ubotu> New bug: #134385 in kopete (main) "Kopete Now Listening plugin doesn't support XMMS" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134385
[12:21] <ubotu> New bug: #134386 in nspluginwrapper (multiverse) "npviewer.bin crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134386
[12:43] <rbs-tito> Guys, I've just found an insane bug
[12:43] <rbs-tito> If you hover over the username field on the GDM login screen it says "Answer questions here and press f10 when done"
[12:44] <rbs-tito> Whoops, already been found. Shame, I though I was on to something huge
[12:46] <bdmurray> rbs-tito: maybe the next one. ;)
[12:48] <rbs-tito> I feel disheartened
[12:48] <toutouff> rbs-tito, is it true ?
[12:48] <toutouff> O_o
[12:48] <rbs-tito> toutouff: Uh...yeah
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #134387 in adept (main) "Adept Manager Handbook missing" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134387
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #134388 in imagemagick (main) "identify crashed with signal 24 in raise()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134388
[01:15] <ubotu> New bug: #134078 in firefox (main) "ISAPI plug-in Error Message:" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134078
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #134390 in restricted-manager (restricted) "gutsy restricted-manager crashes on startup" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134390
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #134391 in ubuntu "Gutsy Tribe 5: Backlight does not come back on after resuming from suspend" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134391
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #134392 in ubuntu "doesn't work for low-res monitors" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134392
[02:03] <ubotu> New bug: #134395 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "[gutsy]  corrupt textures" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134395
[02:16] <ubotu> New bug: #134396 in ubuntu "Flaky firewire disk Fails Feisty but Does Dapper" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134396
[02:24] <RAOF> Isn't the debootstrap in feisty-updates sufficient?
[02:25] <RAOF> Whoops.  I should really check the question I'm replying wasn't asked 24 hours ago :/
[02:50] <ubotu> New bug: #134398 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "invalid opcode: 0000 [#1] " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134398
[03:06] <ubotu> New bug: #134399 in ubuntu "2.6.22-10 Kernel Panic on Boot" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134399
[03:11] <ubotu> New bug: #134400 in glibc (main) "glibc do not really static compile my project." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134400
[03:25] <ubotu> New bug: #134404 in mbr (main) "mbr ftbfs" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134404
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #134405 in pgadmin3 (universe) "pgadmin3: double free or corruption" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134405
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #134406 in gnome-panel (main) "Display issues with Thinkpad T42P (Model 2379-DYU)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134406
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #134407 in network-manager (main) "vpn plugins should be in main repository" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134407
[03:51] <ubotu> New bug: #134408 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Sound broken since 2.6.22-10 upgrade, on HP 6710b" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134408
[03:51] <ubotu> New bug: #134409 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "usb mouse not working on 2.6.22-10-generic" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134409
[04:10] <ubotu> New bug: #134414 in dpkg (main) "dpkg:serious warning unable to install any new software" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134414
[04:11] <ubotu> New bug: #134410 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  wicd" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134410
[04:11] <ubotu> New bug: #134411 in no-ip (universe) "No-ip conf files permission problem" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134411
[04:11] <ubotu> New bug: #134412 in gnumeric (main) "Gnumeric chart tool broken in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134412
[04:11] <ubotu> New bug: #134413 in ubuntu "(wishlist) Vesa driver and quiz on hardware" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134413
[04:15] <ubotu> New bug: #134415 in openoffice.org2 (main) "Unable to disable field shadings" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134415
[04:15] <ubotu> New bug: #134416 in firefox (main) "flash and gnash do not install for firefox" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134416
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #134417 in ubiquity (main) "ubiquity crashed with AttributeError in run()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134417
[04:35] <ubotu> New bug: #134420 in nautilus (main) "Devices are not mounted in gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134420
[04:51] <ubotu> New bug: #134422 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 (main) "Intel HDA sound (ALC883) broken after kernel upgrade to 2.6.22-10" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134422
[05:05] <ubotu> New bug: #134423 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "nvidia-new-kernel-source needs to add a symlink to be seen by module-assistannt" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134423
[05:20] <ubotu> New bug: #134424 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "ipw3945 won't connect to ap" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134424
[05:20] <ubotu> New bug: #134425 in ubuntu "wish Gnome would announce filesystem trouble" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134425
[05:36] <ubotu> New bug: #134426 in firefox (main) "[gutsy]  plugin finder service runs forever" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134426
[05:41] <ubotu> New bug: #134427 in system-config-printer (main) "Main windows has unnecessary glade widgets" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134427
[05:46] <ubotu> New bug: #134428 in compiz (main) "compiz default inclusion causes performance regression in gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134428
[05:46] <ubotu> New bug: #134429 in ubuntu "Intel GMA965 Brightness Adjustments" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134429
[06:05] <ubotu> New bug: #134431 in ubuntu "LiveCD initial GUI broken" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134431
[06:05] <ubotu> New bug: #134432 in ubuntu "kickstart doesn't export environment variables from %pre" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134432
[06:05] <ubotu> New bug: #134433 in ubuntu "Video problem with Nvidia GeForce Go 6600" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134433
[06:06] <ubotu> New bug: #134430 in restricted-manager (restricted) "Notification message is placed incorrectly" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134430
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #134434 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Ubuntu crashes with Kernel version 2.6.22-10-generic" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134434
[06:15] <ubotu> New bug: #134435 in displayconfig-gtk (universe) "Doesn't detect External Monitor" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134435
[06:46] <ubotu> New bug: #134436 in ubuntu "rigth-click on desktop give no response" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134436
[06:46] <ubotu> New bug: #134437 in ubuntu "Bottom Panel Dosen't Load Correctly " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134437
[07:27] <ubotu> New bug: #134438 in ubuntu "GRUB Bootloader fails to load/work in tribe5" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134438
[07:38] <ubotu> New bug: #134439 in gnome-control-center (main) "gnome-appearance-properties sets workspaces to 1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134439
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #134441 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "no sound with HDA Intel since updated to 2.6.22-10" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134441
[08:52] <thekorn> good morning
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #134443 in compiz (main) "compiz benchmark is much slower" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134443
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #134444 in quagga (main) "type3 fonts in quagga.pdf" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134444
[09:16] <ubotu> New bug: #134446 in compiz (main) "Compiz-Fusion gives hard locks when installed from packages" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134446
[09:39] <dholbach> good morning
[09:42] <thekorn> morning dholbach
[09:42] <dholbach> hey thekorn
[09:42] <dholbach> thekorn: I'm quite pleased with bughelper/python-launchpad-bugs
[09:42] <dholbach> I had another failure, when I let the script do its work
[09:43] <dholbach> let me upload the log
[09:43] <dholbach> thekorn: http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/failures
[09:43] <dholbach> thekorn: let me know if this is something you want to fix right now or in another update
[09:45] <thekorn> dholbach: I already fixed these errors in the latest rev of bughelper-server and py-lp-bugs.GSoc
[09:46] <dholbach> ah ok
[09:46] <dholbach> rock and roll
[09:46] <thekorn> dholbach: but the last one is new to me
[09:47] <dholbach> take your time looking at it, it will be easy for me to roll new packages and merge back into .main
[09:47] <thekorn> super
[09:55] <thekorn> dholbach: this last error is not easy to solve, py-lp-bugs takes status, importance ... of a bugreport from the highlighted row in the  InfoTable,
[09:55] <thekorn> but in bugreports like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/88102 is no highlighting anymore
[09:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 88102 in bughelper "sort report by issue type rather than bug number" [Medium,Confirmed]
[09:56] <exodos> can anyone help me with debugging libflashsupport? whaere can I find debug symbols for it?
[09:56] <dholbach> thekorn: urg.... what do you reckon we should do?
[09:57] <exodos> I mean libflashplayer
[09:59] <thekorn> dholbach: i would suggest a kind of 'random' solution:
[09:59] <thekorn> 1.) try to find the row where affects ends with (ubuntu)
[09:59] <thekorn> if this fails choose the first
[09:59] <thekorn> one
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #134450 in purple-plugin-pack (universe) "[Gutsy]  /exec not able to execute wget command" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134450
[10:02] <thekorn> dholbach: btw. to avoid errors like Package "'linux-source-2.6.15' not found" I removed the function 'package_exists()' from bughelper and bugnumbers
[10:03] <dholbach> nice, I wanted to do that too already
[10:03] <thekorn> instead of this the user gets an extra message if there is a LPUrlError "page not found"
[10:04] <thekorn> if we could find a way to remove this function from bugxml, we would not need apt_pkg anymore
[10:06] <ubotu> New bug: #134451 in epiphany (universe) ""go" button stays pressed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134451
[10:06] <ubotu> New bug: #134452 in kdebluetooth (main) "package libkbluetooth0 1.0~beta6~r702320-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: tentative de remplacement de /usr/lib/libkbluetooth.so.0.0.0, qui appartient aussi au paquet kdebluetooth" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134452
[10:10] <dholbach> thekorn: I'll think about it - it'd be nice
[10:10] <ubotu> New bug: #134453 in cups-pdf (main) "package cups-pdf 2.4.6-3ubuntu5 failed to install/upgrade: le sous-processus post-installation script a retourn une erreur de sortie d'tat 1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134453
[10:40] <ubotu> New bug: #134454 in nautilus (main) "[gutsy]  nautilus icon view is unpredictable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134454
[10:41] <ubotu> New bug: #134457 in espeak (main) "espeak version is very old" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134457
[10:55] <ubotu> New bug: #134458 in ubuntu "system randomly halt while shutting down" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134458
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #134460 in kdepim (main) "KMail / Kontact Mail List Navigation incomplete (PageUp not working)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134460
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #134461 in xfce4-panel (main) "doesn't show tool tip while mouse move over it" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134461
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #134462 in bluez-gnome (main) "Can you upgrade bluez-gnome to 0.13 version in gutsy because of the lot of bugfixes and better translations" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134462
[11:37] <ubotu> New bug: #134465 in nautilus-open-terminal (universe) "nautilus open terminal does not work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134465
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #128187 in kdelibs (main) "kdeinit crasshed" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128187
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #134466 in ubuntu "ipw3945d causing computer to stutter" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134466
[12:15] <ubotu> New bug: #134468 in firefox (main) "Bad editing keys on firefox address bar" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134468
[12:15] <ubotu> New bug: #134469 in revelation (universe) "Revelation slow to open file - en message catalog missing?" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134469
[12:32] <ubotu> New bug: #134470 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Metamorphose" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134470
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #134471 in sudo (main) "sudo puts the clock back twenty days" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134471
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #134473 in gnome-keyring (main) "[gutsy]  german translation of "einstellungen" in system menu" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134473
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #134472 in update-manager (main) "Upgrade tool Crashed (Gutsy Tribe 4 to Tribe 5)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134472
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #134474 in gksu (main) "User authentication dialog's failure to lock the screen has an error that is unnecesarily scary" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134474
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #134475 in xournal (universe) "xournal move looses insert point 7.10 gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134475
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #134476 in ubuntu "Tribe 5: suspend hangs laptop" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134476
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #134477 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "reports corrupt filesystem on flash-media, fine on feisty" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134477
[01:16] <ubotu> New bug: #134479 in kubuntu-meta (main) "firefox pdf default application is set to gimp, whereas it is set to kpdf in kde !" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134479
[01:21] <ubotu> New bug: #134480 in ubuntu "HPLIP menu entries" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134480
[01:21] <ubotu> New bug: #134481 in ubuntu "i dont have sound in the pc" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134481
[01:21] <ubotu> New bug: #134484 in apcupsd (universe) "shutdown machine apcupsd --killpower dont work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134484
[01:21] <ubotu> New bug: #134485 in kexi-mdb-driver (universe) "package kexi-mdb-driver None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/kexi-mdb-driver.list]  failed to install/upgrade: Versuche, /usr/lib/kde3/keximigrate_mdb.so zu berschreiben, welches auch in Paket kexi-mdb-plugin ist" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134485
[01:26] <ubotu> New bug: #134483 in libapache-request-perl (universe) "Please remove libapache-request-perl from gutsy" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134483
[01:41] <ubotu> New bug: #134487 in evolution (main) "Evolution UI flashes when formatting large message" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134487
[01:41] <ubotu> New bug: #134489 in ubuntu "[gutsy]  system sounds are all wrong" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134489
[01:41] <ubotu> New bug: #134490 in apt-watch (universe) "Please merge apt-watch (0.3.2-9) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134490
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #134491 in ubuntu "Completely Fair Scheduler (CFS) inclusion" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134491
[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #134492 in gnome-terminal (main) "leading space hides command in history" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134492
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #134447 in libflash (main) "[GUTSY]  firefox crashed -- libflash [@GraphicDevice32::drawLine]  [@GraphicDevice::drawBox]  [@FlashMovie::renderFocus] " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134447
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #134493 in cdrkit (main) "icedax only works for root" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134493
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #134494 in ubuntu "XFree86-DRI missing after resume from suspend-to-ram" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134494
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #134495 in ubiquity (main) "ubiquity crash in manual partitioning" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134495
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #134496 in ubuntu "After initial reboot, wrong ethernet card is used" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134496
[02:11] <ubotu> New bug: #134497 in ubuntu "Gutsy Tribe 5 AMD64 Alternate Install CD GRUB gave an error 15 on boot" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134497
[02:11] <ubotu> New bug: #134498 in smbldap-tools (universe) "smbldap-populate: failes to add any uid entries" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134498
[02:11] <ubotu> New bug: #134499 in ubuntu "Only sound in headphones on intel HDA" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134499
[02:16] <ubotu> New bug: #134500 in archmage (universe) "Please sync archmage (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134500
[02:16] <ubotu> New bug: #134501 in gmountiso (universe) "[UVFe]  gmountiso 0.4" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134501
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #134502 in synaptic (main) "dependencies problem" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134502
[02:27] <ubotu> New bug: #134503 in cupsys (main) "cupsys 1.3 upgrade fails" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134503
[02:40] <ubotu> New bug: #134504 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  tapioca-glib" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134504
[02:45] <polopolo> Can someone please change to wishlist for bug #134505
[02:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134505 in ubiquity "installer create huge swap partition" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134505
[02:45] <ubotu> New bug: #134505 in ubiquity (main) "installer create huge swap partition" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134505
[02:45] <ubotu> New bug: #134506 in ubuntu "Gnome Panel changes launchers on reboot" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134506
[02:46] <coNP> polopolo: does this team like to have bugs assigned? :)
[02:47] <Hobbsee> cant see the point of assigning bugs to that team, tbh
[02:47] <Hobbsee> they're already going to be subscribed by default.
[02:47] <polopolo> unsubscribe then?
[02:48] <Hobbsee> you'll create more mail that way
[02:48] <Hobbsee> i'd just stop doing it in future
[02:51] <rbs-tito> bug 134507 , is it invalid? Suggested seems like a good mark for gnucash-docs, it shouldn't be a dependency right?
[02:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134507 in ubuntu "[gutsy]  'Add / Remove...' installing Gnucash doesn't install or offer gnucash-docs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134507
[02:52] <rbs-tito> Whoa, new launchpad is confusing
[02:52] <Pici> Really? I didnt see much of a UI difference... I havent looked deeper yet though.
[02:53] <rbs-tito> Pici: The dropdown icons on bug reports are odd, they both drop the same thing down
[02:54] <Pici> rbs-tito: Yeah, I noticed that too. It is a little odd.
[02:54] <rbs-tito> It doesn't feel natural, there should just be one dropdown next to the package name
[02:55] <ScottK> rbs-tito: It's on purpose.
[02:55] <rbs-tito> ScottK: The bug I was talking about or the Launchpad UI?
[02:55] <ScottK> The LP UI
[02:55] <rbs-tito> Any idea on the bug?
[02:56] <ubotu> New bug: #134507 in gnucash (universe) "[gutsy]  'Add / Remove...' installing Gnucash doesn't install or offer gnucash-docs" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134507
[02:56] <ubotu> New bug: #134508 in cameramonitor (universe) "Please sync cameramonitor (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134508
[02:57] <ScottK> One could argue that maybe docs should be recommended, not just suggested.
[02:57] <ScottK> What he's asking isn't the way the package management system works.
[02:58] <ScottK> So maybe it's a wishlist bug against whatever package management tool he's using...
[02:58] <rbs-tito> Or maybe it is just gnucash-docs should be recommended
[02:59] <ScottK> Maybe.
[02:59] <rbs-tito> It warrants two bugs
[02:59] <ScottK> Except making it recommended wouldn't actually solve the problem he's asked about.
[02:59] <ScottK> Recommended/Suggested is a fine nuance that I wouldn't bother with.
[03:00] <rbs-tito> True
[03:01] <ubotu> New bug: #134510 in language-support-fr (main) "Installing French support failed on Gutsy Tribe 5" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134510
[03:02] <rbs-tito> ScottK: I think I will change it to wishlist against Synaptic ,  should apt-get be affected too?
[03:03] <ScottK> I'd say not.  People using apt probably know about this stuff.  You migh consider Adept though.
[03:03] <rbs-tito> ScottK: Would it need to go upstream too?
[03:04] <ScottK> I'd leave that to the people that deal with those packages.
[03:05] <rbs-tito> ScottK: And gnome-app-install ?
[03:06] <ubotu> New bug: #134511 in ubuntu "Launchpad crashes every time I try to report a bug" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134511
[03:06] <ScottK> I have no idea.  I use Kubuntu.
[03:07] <rbs-tito> ScottK: It's a friendly nooby package manager, with pretty icons and only select packages
[03:07] <ScottK> OK.  I still don't have an opinion on it.
[03:11] <ubotu> New bug: #134512 in gnome-voice-control (universe) "The Applet crashes when clicking on Start Control" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134512
[03:14] <rbs-tito> ScottK: Could you take a look at the report now?
[03:15] <rbs-tito> bug 134507
[03:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134507 in synaptic "Package managers should offer suggested and recommended packages" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134507
[03:15] <ScottK> Not really.
[03:15] <rbs-tito> I've rewritten it
[03:16] <rbs-tito> And could someone from QA set it to wishlist please
[03:18] <jeromeg> rbs-tito: done
[03:19] <rbs-tito> Thanks
[03:19] <jeromeg> rbs-tito: but for example with synaptic you just have to right click on the package to install recommended/suggested packages
 i'd just stop doing it in future - Hobbsee, what do you mean
[03:20] <Hobbsee> polopolo: i'd just stop assigning the bugs to the installer team
[03:21] <polopolo> aha, why?
[03:21] <polopolo> If I may ask?
[03:22] <ScottK> polopolo: Put it the other way, why would you?
[03:22] <ScottK> Does the installer team have a policy saying they want you to do that?
[03:22] <polopolo> okey, I unsubscribe that ig you want
[03:23] <ScottK> There are teams (like the kernel team) that do have policies like that, you just need to check.
[03:24] <polopolo> okey, unsubscribed, if that was what you want to say
[03:25] <ScottK> Each team does things a bit differently.
[03:26] <ScottK> Another example is the server team....  What they do is have the team mailing list subscribed to all the packages they mind.
[03:26] <ScottK> So in some cases if you assign when it's not wanted you may cause people to get duplicate bug mail.
[03:27] <polopolo> So I must not send bugs to another (like bug #134276 )
[03:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134276 in openoffice.org "OOO crashes opening this doc file" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134276
[03:30] <Hobbsee> polopolo: you may want to read what i said.  twice
[03:31] <polopolo> oh okey, now I understand
[03:33] <ubotu> New bug: #134514 in python-launchpad-bugs (main) "Fix to Bug.set_status() due to  LP 1.1.8 update" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134514
[03:33] <polopolo> I should never be assign a bug to someone else that already have a view in the bug, if you all want to say to me
[03:35] <Hobbsee> you should never assign a bug to someone else unless it's listed in the bug policies, or you're their boss.
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #134515 in ubuntu "Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG can connect once, after that reboot is needed to reconnect" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134515
[03:36] <polopolo> I should never assign a bug to someone else unless it's listed in the bug policies, or i'm their boss!
[03:37] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:42] <polopolo> but I don't really understand about bug policies
[03:44] <jeromeg> polopolo: it's simply people that are used to work in a certain way, if you follow their wishes they can be more efficient
[03:45] <jeromeg> polopolo: as bug triagers we are here to ease the tasks of dev, so following bug policies is essential
[03:45] <ubotu> New bug: #134059 in fceu (universe) "Please sync fceu from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134059
[03:56] <ubotu> New bug: #134516 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  telepathy-haze" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134516
[03:56] <ubotu> New bug: #134517 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Can't reply to nested messages in Thunderbird" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134517
[04:01] <ubotu> New bug: #134518 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "/dev/rtc cannot be read" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134518
[04:01] <ubotu> New bug: #134519 in mail-notification (universe) "[GUTSY] Mail-notification doesnt have options in toaster" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134519
[04:10] <ubotu> New bug: #134520 in ubuntu "please sync package python-clutter (src:pyclutter, version:0.4.1-1) from debian unstable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134520
[04:10] <ubotu> New bug: #134521 in loop-aes-source (universe) "loop-aes-source not available in Gutsy Gibbon" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134521
[04:21] <ubotu> New bug: #134522 in cpio (main) "cpio --extract says --sparse is meaningless" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134522
[04:21] <ubotu> New bug: #134523 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "Xorg crashes when running glxgears" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134523
[04:25] <ubotu> New bug: #134299 in strigi (main) "strigidaemon crashed with SIGSEGV in utf8toucs2()" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134299
[04:25] <ubotu> New bug: #134524 in openoffice.org (main) "-core and -common are lacking changelog and copyright files" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134524
[04:25] <ubotu> New bug: #134525 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Plugging in headphones no longer turns off laptop speakers after updating to 2.6.22-10" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134525
[04:35] <ubotu> New bug: #134526 in ubuntu "Gutsy crashes upon opening screen after it was closed, going to a "blank screen"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134526
[04:41] <ubotu> New bug: #134528 in vino (main) "Vino doesnt work from live-session under vmware." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134528
[04:41] <ubotu> New bug: #134529 in xmlrpc-c (universe) "1.06.17 break include path with 0.9.x version" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134529
[04:46] <ubotu> New bug: #134530 in apt (main) "[Gutsy]  apt-get upgrade freezes from time to time" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134530
[04:46] <ubotu> New bug: #134531 in gnome-panel (main) "sherman aquarium applet crashes on login" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134531
[04:51] <ubotu> New bug: #134533 in warzone2100 (universe) "Warzone2100 crashes when I load a saved game" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134533
[04:56] <ubotu> New bug: #134535 in aptoncd (universe) "Typo in description" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134535
[05:01] <ubotu> New bug: #134537 in eclipse (universe) "[gutsy]  No ant support" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134537
[05:01] <ubotu> New bug: #134538 in kdepim (main) "kmail crashes when getting mail from pop account" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134538
[05:26] <ubotu> New bug: #134539 in ntfs-3g (universe) "Please sync ntfs-3g (1:1.810-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134539
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #132594 in gthumb (main) "gthumb crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_file_info_get_is_folder()" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132594
[05:34] <ryanakca> debian bug 439075
[05:34] <ubotu> Debian bug 439075 in bzflag "BZFlag: Bashisms in debian/rules" [Normal,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/439075
[05:37] <ryanakca> bug 132587
[05:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132587 in bzflag "bzflag includes source makefiles and empty directories, no fonts included" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132587
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #129816 in pycairo "update-manager crashes" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129816
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #134540 in ubuntu "cant open any pps files with OpenOffice and the system crash" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134540
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #134541 in openoffice.org (main) "Printing From OpenOffice.org Causes Lexmark Z45 to Lockup" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134541
[05:45] <ubotu> New bug: #134544 in network-manager (main) "NetworkManager aborts when attempting to connect to PPTP VPN server with bogus host name" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134544
[05:55] <ubotu> New bug: #134546 in deskbar-applet (main) "deskbar applet default inclusion in gutsy is a performance regression" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134546
[06:00] <ubotu> New bug: #134547 in network-manager-pptp (universe) "NetworkManager PPTP VPN does not work; bad pptp plugin" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134547
[06:05] <ubotu> New bug: #134548 in gnome-main-menu (universe) "gnome-main-menu button is not displayed correctly" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134548
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #134549 in nufw (universe) "Please sync nufw (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134549
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #134550 in asterisk (universe) "Please sync asterisk (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134550
[06:16] <ubotu> New bug: #134552 in yappy (universe) "Please merge yappy (1.8-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134552
[06:26] <ubotu> New bug: #134551 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "No sound cards detected with 2.6.22-10-generic" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134551
[06:41] <ubotu> New bug: #134554 in ubuntu "Incorrect time zone for Sofia/Bulgaria" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134554
[06:41] <ubotu> New bug: #134555 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "fan staying on constantly" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134555
[07:00] <ubotu> New bug: #134558 in slocate (main) "slocate ignores PRUNEFS" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134558
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #134559 in gdm (main) "[gutsy] Cannot login to Gnome after previous logout" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134559
[07:10] <ubotu> New bug: #134560 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  vinagre - vnc client" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134560
[07:10] <ubotu> New bug: #134562 in gnome-panel (main) "[gutsy] gnome-panel hangs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134562
[07:16] <ubotu> New bug: #134563 in compiz (main) "Gnome terminal crashes when using desktop effects" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134563
[07:16] <ubotu> New bug: #134564 in ubuntu "[tribe 5]  setting and removing the "name" field in the partitioner causes the installer (alternate) to lock" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134564
[07:31] <ubotu> New bug: #134565 in ubuntu "[tribe 5]  The installation CD does not contain full support for your language? (english-us dvorak)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134565
[07:31] <ubotu> New bug: #134566 in gnome-control-center (main) "Selected refresh rate not set" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134566
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #134568 in evolution (main) "Evolution Mail plugin segfault" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134568
[08:13] <ubotu> New bug: #134571 in ubuntu "Add/Remove does not show all applications available" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134571
[08:16] <ubotu> New bug: #134572 in nbd (main) "Segfault" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134572
[08:16] <ubotu> New bug: #134573 in ubuntu "some fonts have horrible colour fringes" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134573
[08:21] <ubotu> New bug: #134576 in displayconfig-gtk (universe) "Can't translate displayconfig-gtk from rosetta" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134576
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #134579 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "headphone jack stopped working on vaio sz" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134579
[08:47] <ubotu> New bug: #134569 in aptoncd "Minor grammar issues" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134569
[08:51] <ubotu> New bug: #134581 in mythplugins (multiverse) "Mythplugins UVFe for 0.20.2 tagged release" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134581
[08:55] <ubotu> New bug: #134582 in stardict (universe) "Sync request: stardict 3.0.0 from upstream" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134582
[08:57] <tuxcrafte1> what does it mean when the status of a packaged is removed
[08:57] <tuxcrafte1> is it no longer supported?
[08:58] <tuxcrafte1> where can i find this ifo
[08:58] <tuxcrafte1> information
[08:59] <bdmurray> tuxcrafte1: what package and what do you mean exactly?
[09:00] <tuxcrafte1> I was searching for the relationships between kbd-chooser, debian-installer and console-setup, trying to understand there structure in the bug report system
[09:01] <bdmurray> and which package was removed?
[09:02] <tuxcrafte1> bdmurray:  kbd-chooser
[09:03] <evand> kbd-chooser and console-setup are debian installer components.  kbd-chooser was used prior to Edgy, console-setup was used thereafter.
[09:04] <tuxcrafte1> evand: ok but can i find that information
[09:04] <tuxcrafte1> ok but how can i find....
[09:10] <tuxcrafte1> hmm i think we will also get a big GPL2 vs GPL3 problem like fedora
[09:10] <tuxcrafte1> a lot of things are GPL2 licenced
[09:10] <ubotu> New bug: #134584 in ubuntu "[tribe 5]  update and restricted driver notifications display on wrong side" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134584
[09:10] <ubotu> New bug: #134585 in ubuntu "[gutsy]  kdebluetooth send to disappeared from konqueror" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134585
[09:11] <ubotu> New bug: #134583 in pidgin (main) "Pidgin no se muestre en el systray" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134583
[09:16] <tuxcrafte1> OK, how do I download the following file out of the released-cd-images without downloading the complete CD?
[09:16] <tuxcrafte1> /install/netboot/ubuntu-installer/i386/initrd.gz
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #134586 in squashfs (main) "when i run ltsp-update-image, it is aborted" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134586
[09:23] <tuxcrafte1> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/i386/
[09:23] <tuxcrafte1> found it
[09:23] <tuxcrafte1> is this the same package as used in xubuntu and kubuntu?
[09:26] <toutouff> Excuse me, what is the tag to add for a sync request ?
[09:27] <bdmurray> toutouff: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags - it looks like upgrade
[09:28] <toutouff> thank you for your answer (and for the link, I begin in triaging) =)
[09:29] <bdmurray> You might also look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[09:29] <toutouff> thnks :)
[09:29] <toutouff> thanks*
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #134589 in ubuntu "Hang When searching in Synaptic Package Manager" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134589
[09:31] <bdmurray> toutouff: sure no problem - feel free to let me know if you have any other questions
[09:31] <toutouff> :)
[09:33] <bdmurray> tuxcrafte1: yes, the installer should be the same
[09:33] <bdmurray> That is the alternate correct?
[09:35] <tuxcrafte1> bdmurray: perfect
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #134588 in zziplib (universe) "[UVFe]  Sync zziplib (0.13.49-1) from Debian unstable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134588
[09:42] <finalbeta> I wish to report a bug, My system freezes up about a minute after I hit the log-on screen (even if I log in). This with the TRibe 5 kernel, the previous one still works. What information should I add, and how do I get it?
[09:46] <ubotu> New bug: #134591 in compiz (main) "[tribe 5]  changing tabs in full-screen mode firefox causes minor redrawing issue" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134591
[09:47] <toutouff> For a sync request, do i subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors ?
[09:48] <coNP> toutouff: if it is in universe, yes. But first motu UVF I guess
[09:49] <toutouff> ok thanks
[09:50] <ScottK> coNP and toutouff: Only motu-uvf it's a new upstream version.  For a new Debian revision, go straight to UUS.
[09:50] <toutouff> thanks
[09:52] <coNP> I guess it is UUS then. You can only sync from Debian. Am I wrong?
[09:54] <toutouff> no
[09:56] <ubotu> New bug: #134592 in firefox (main) "infinite 100% load one one page" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134592
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #134593 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "System Freeze Tribe 5 Kernel" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134593
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #134595 in xcompmgr (universe) "Can't see gnome logout screen when using xcompmgr" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134595
[10:09] <Kmos> some kubuntu user can check this one
[10:09] <Kmos> bug 129293
[10:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129293 in ubuntu "[gutsy] Can access internet only with Konqueror" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129293
[10:10] <bdmurray> That bug doesn't logically seem possible
[10:11] <Kmos> bdmurray: yeah
[10:11] <Kmos> now he show apt-get output in last comment
[10:11] <Kmos> emmc: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource
[10:11] <Kmos> temporarily unavailable)
[10:12] <bdmurray> I think that error message can happen if another package manager is running
[10:13] <Kmos> yeah
[10:13] <Kmos> like update-manager
[10:13] <bdmurray> I'd be curious about disk space and sources.list though
[10:13] <emmc> that error message happens when you are brutally closed a terminal window where you were using apt-get
[10:15] <Kmos> i've commented it
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #134596 in ubuntu "Ubuntu 6.06 LTS Installer Crash, Need help plz" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134596
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #123104 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "Suspend using nvidia driver and NVIDIA 8400M GS doesn't work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123104
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #134598 in glade-3 (main) ".pot file is not generated on build time" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134598
[10:41] <ubotu> New bug: #134599 in ubuntu "installer crashed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134599
[10:41] <ubotu> New bug: #134600 in valgrind (main) "calloc'd blocks reported as "uninitialised" in X11" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134600
[10:46] <ubotu> New bug: #134602 in gnome-system-tools (main) "directory share with samba require manual user creation" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134602
[10:55] <ubotu> New bug: #134603 in avahi (main) "Nework doesn't work after hardware upgrade" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134603
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #134605 in mt-daapd (universe) "mt-daapd needs to start after avahi-daemon" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134605
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #134606 in adept (main) "adept crashes (click multimedia and then change suite before ready)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134606
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #134607 in bzr-builddeb (universe) "WARNING: the 'deb822' top-level module is *DEPRECATED*, please use 'debian_bundle.deb822'" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134607
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #134609 in foobillard (universe) "Tribe 5 foobillard crashes gnome" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134609
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #134610 in kdepim (main) "karm "revert and stop" does not revert time" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134610


[01:55] <Flannel> hey guys, I'm having problems moving courier(imap)'s mail folder from ~/Maildir to ~/.maildir, Ive switched the paths in /etc/imapd and -ssl, and reloaded them both with the initd script, anywhere else I need to be looking?  my imap clients still look at the old directory.
[02:57] <neuralis> Flannel: please see the topic. this is a development channel; for support, see #ubuntu.
[02:59] <Flannel> hmm, when did that change?
[02:59] <neuralis> that's how it was meant to be since the beginning
[03:00] <Flannel> right, well, a year ago it was support, or at least claimed to be in the topic. anyway.
[03:00] <Flannel> I'll then ask why ubuntu's mail utilities use ~/Maildir/ as their default mail paths.
[03:00] <Flannel> since, it seems like a bug-type thing.
[03:01] <neuralis> it's probably inherited from debian.
[03:02] <Flannel> right, except the choice was made to change a few years ago : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MailStorageStandardisation
[03:02] <Flannel> so, I don't know if it's just that they've been overlooked, or...
[03:03] <neuralis> that seems to be an unofficial, non-spec writeup.
[03:05] <Flannel> fair enough.  I hate that fact about the wiki.
[03:06] <neuralis> well, Blueprint is pretty good these days; if you're looking for official specs, look there.
[03:07] <Flannel> is that at launchpad? or..
[03:07] <neuralis> yeah.
[03:09] <Flannel> thanks, Ill check it out
[03:12] <Flannel> and, both chanserv, and the wiki, list this channel as support.  so, you'll want to fix that sooner or later.
[03:12] <Flannel> anyway, thanks for your time.
[03:12] <neuralis> sure.
[03:16] <Plug> With respect to the topic, asking for any kind of server support in #ubuntu will get lost in "how do I get wobbly windows and make wireless go"
[03:18] <neuralis> that's probably true.
[03:19] <neuralis> but we don't have the manpower to make this into any kind of a proper support channel.
[12:50] <xerophyte> if i wanna configrue network card using ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS>  on boot how can i edit /etc/network/interface file
[12:51] <spike> xerophyte: man interfaces
[05:30] <xerophyte>  when you setup internet connection share why do you need to install dnsmasq ipmasq  these to packages.. does the forward and masq rule on the iptable good enough to do the work just wondering why  do i need them ??
[07:36] <neuralis> xerophyte: please take general support questions to #ubuntu.
[09:10] <J_P> Anyone here use or did use OpenMosix on Ubuntu for setup cluster ?
[09:11] <J_P> I need setup one cluster with 15 machines, I am using actually debian, but I am like use software more newly, so I think in use ubuntu for this, anyone haz experience with this ?
[09:16] <neuralis> openmosix requires a 2.4 kernel. ubuntu+2.4 can be tricky -- i wouldn't recommend trying it unless you really know what you're doing.
[11:37] <J_P> neuralis: you don't recommend use ubuntu as cluster or what ?
[11:44] <neuralis> J_P: no, i'm just telling you that it's not a task for someone who's not experienced.
[11:45] <infinity> J_P: Note that as of edgy, we don't intend to support kernel 2.4 on any arch in glibs.
[11:45] <infinity> glic, even.
[11:45] <infinity> We already only support it on i386 at this point.  The rest are 2.6-only.
[11:45] <infinity> Argh.  G-L-I-B-C.  Stupid fingers.
[11:46] <neuralis> infinity: seriously. it's 2006, you'd think we'd be able to jack a firewire cable into the back of our necks already.
[11:47] <ivoks> openmoxis has 2.6 version
[11:47] <ivoks> and very very slow development
[11:47] <neuralis> ivoks: it's (pre)alpha.
[11:47] <ivoks> it's good tool, but they need to catch up
[11:48] <ivoks> neuralis: i know, i tried to use it
[11:48] <ivoks> i have 60 node openmosix cluster
[11:48] <ivoks> and i'm planing a switch to something else
[11:48] <neuralis> ivoks: yeah, we had that conversation
[11:48] <ivoks> ivan :)
[11:49] <nictuku> so, when will we have an annoucement about "Oracle certifies Ubuntu Server" ? :-)
[11:49] <neuralis> ivoks: there you go ;)
[11:49] <ivoks> hehe
[11:50] <neuralis> J_P: look at openssi (http://openssi.org); there are packages for sarge, and dapper packages are in the works.
[11:50] <ivoks> they are? :)
[11:51] <neuralis> yeah. most of the userspace is ported to dapper already.
[11:52] <ivoks> glad to see you are stil among us, neuralis :)
[11:52] <neuralis> eh, vaguely
[11:52] <ivoks> time for bed...
[11:53] <ivoks> see you
[11:53] <neuralis> ivoks: i'll be in zagreb after may 27, let's get a drink
[11:53] <ivoks> or two :)
[11:53] <neuralis> good deal.. g'night
[11:53] <ivoks> bye
[11:54] <pygi> neuralis: we've got someone that wants to implement n-a as part of SoC *but you probably already know it*
[11:55] <nictuku> what's SoC?
[11:56] <neuralis> summer of code.
[11:56] <neuralis> pygi: i saw the post on u-d, haven't heard anything else about it
[11:56] <pygi> neuralis: yup, mithrandir will write a response tommorow
[11:58] <neuralis> cool.
[12:00] <pygi> hopefully he is skilled enough


[00:01] <eliasps> darkxst I changed the ~wilyX number manually on the debdiffs, with an editor. Is that ok? Also, with a new upstream release, that number is reset back to 1 or 0?
[00:01] <eliasps> Because there are multiple packages with both zeros and ones. one has a 0.1 too.
[00:03] <darkxst> eliasps, doesnt really matter if start at 1 or 0, but if you use `dch -l~wily` , it will automatically use 1
[00:04] <eliasps> Ok then, I'll use that! Thanks. Why some packages have to be syncs from debian?
[00:05] <darkxst> because they don't have any ubuntu specific changes, then we just sync from debian
[00:05] <eliasps> Ok. Thanks!
[00:09] <eliasps> The remaining debdiffs are on the same location (http://people.ubuntu.com/~eliasps/files/debdiffs/). I'll do the syncs too.
[00:10] <eliasps> I'll be keeping track of the versions for upgrades upstream from gnome's mailing list, to make them when they are out.
[00:11] <eliasps> But gnome-online-accounts always fail to build for some reason, I see no clear error on the sbuild test. just status attempted.
[00:11] <darkxst> eliasps, log?
[00:16] <eliasps> testing now. I'll send it once it's done.
[00:16] <eliasps> Pastebin?
[00:19] <darkxst> yeh
[00:20] <darkxst> eliasps, git-gsm-utils-fix-leak.patch in gnome-session has a bad rebase, and besides it should just be dropped
[00:25] <eliasps> I'll make it again.
[00:35] <eliasps> darkxst something with the symbols? http://pastebin.com/6kWLinv8
[00:36] <eliasps> E: Build failure (dpkg-buildpackage died)
[00:36] <darkxst> eliasps, yes, use the embedded diff in the log to update debian/libgoa-backend-1.0-1.symbols
[00:38] <darkxst> also change the version to just upstream version 3.18.1 (i.e on line 9 in your paste)
[00:40] <eliasps> Do I note that on the changelog?
[00:40] <darkxst> eliasps, yes of course, all changes you make should be noted
[00:45] <eliasps> Ok. I'll build it again and let you know. Thank you for your help.
[00:46] <eliasps> I have to go for now, I'll fix gnome-session and goa and send them to you once I'm back along with the debian syncs.
[04:26] <bcx> Hi, manual instal on wily:  gdm loops asking for the password, anyway I can get a session with 'sudo service gdm stop ; startx', /var/log/gdm/ is empty
[04:26] <bcx> I need to understand gdm issue but have no clue
[04:31] <darkxst> bcx what do you mean by manual install?
[04:31] <darkxst> you could be missing some dependencies?
[04:31] <bcx> darkxst: yes I use --no-install-recommends
[04:31] <darkxst> anyway to debug gdm set Debug=True in /etc/gdm/custom.conf
[04:32] <darkxst> some logs will goto to the journal, but some should be in /var/log/gdm also
[04:34] <bcx> darkxst: nothing created in /var/log/gdm
[04:34] <darkxst> check journal then
[04:36] <bcx> darkxst: using journalctl I can see a Clutter input issue http://paste.ubuntu.com/12892135/
[04:38] <darkxst> I'd be more worried about this one
[04:38] <darkxst> Oct 22 06:33:01 darkpad gdm-password][1889]: PAM unable to dlopen(pam_gnome_keyring.so): /lib/security/pam_gnome_keyring.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:38] <darkxst> and the other pam errors that are popping up in your logs
[04:39] <darkxst> the clutter message is not likely causing the problem
[04:41] <bcx> darkxst: commenting (prefix with -) pam_gnome_keyring in /etc/pam.d/gdm does not solve
[04:42] <darkxst> well you need that plugin anyway
[04:43] <bcx> darkxst: do you know the required package ?
[04:43] <darkxst> gnome_keyring?
[04:44] <bcx> ah ...
[04:44] <darkxst> bcx or you can always use something like `apt-file find pam_gnome_keyring.so`
[04:44] <darkxst> to find what package a file comes from
[04:52] <bcx> installing libpam-gnome-keyring does not solve http://paste.ubuntu.com/12892179/
[04:54] <darkxst> does it start to login? then go back to gdm?
[04:54] <darkxst> Oct 22 06:50:35 darkpad /usr/lib/gdm/gdm-x-session[772]: (II) Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file.
[04:54] <darkxst> Oct 22 06:50:35 darkpad gdm-password][760]: pam_unix(gdm-password:session): session closed for user user
[04:54] <darkxst> Oct 22 06:50:35 darkpad gdm[431]: GdmDisplay: display lasted 2.449007 seconds
[04:54] <bcx> darkxst: exact
[04:55] <bcx> Oct 22 06:50:27 darkpad gnome-session[583]: gnome-session[583]: CRITICAL: We failed, but the fail whale is dead. Sorry....
[04:56] <bcx> darkxst: I hate this message
[04:56] <darkxst> that will be the problem
[04:57] <bcx> I surely need some more deps
[04:57] <bcx> darkxst: possible to debug gnome-session ?
[04:58] <darkxst> gnome-session should become more verbose when you enable gdm debug mode I think
[05:00] <bcx> darkxst: also Oct 22 06:50:28 darkpad gnome-session[633]: (gnome-settings-daemon:664): Gvc-WARNING **: Failed to connect context: Connection refused
[05:02] <darkxst> I don't expect that would be fatal
[05:03] <darkxst> the fail whale message
[05:03] <darkxst> happens when one of the required components fails to start
[05:04] <darkxst> which will likely be shell or g-s-d
[05:04] <bcx> what kind on compo ? gdm/gnome-session/gnome-shell ?
[05:04] <darkxst> ^^
[05:05] <bcx> strangely GS starts and is not cleaned http://paste.ubuntu.com/12892209/
[05:06] <darkxst> that looks like the gdm greeter
[05:06] <darkxst> it stays running on vt7, your user session ends up on vt2 (assuming this is 15.10)
[05:07] <bcx> it is
[05:07] <darkxst> 693 tty7     Sl+    0:06              \_ gnome-shell --mode=gdm
[05:08] <bcx> during last sprint I worked this around by using lightdm
[05:09] <darkxst> try a manual install in a clean VM, using `apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop^`
[05:09] <darkxst> if that works, then you definately have a missing dep somewhere
[05:12] <darkxst> ibus is a recommends in our seeds, though maybe a hard dep these day in GNOME land
[05:12] <bcx> sure, one of the 300MB recommends
[05:13] <darkxst> bcx most of that will be libreoffice
[05:13] <darkxst> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-gnome.wily/view/head:/desktop
[05:14] <darkxst> see the * ( package ) lines, they are the recommends
[05:14] <darkxst> although that only covers the seed, not the underlying packages
[05:15] <bcx> darkxst: it took me long to get this right for trusty/vivid http://paste.ubuntu.com/12892232/
[05:16] <bcx> I am unhappy with the way people define recommends on debian/ubuntu
[05:17] <darkxst> which part?
[05:18] <darkxst> Someone was wanting to make an ubuntu-gnome-core seed, but it never happened
[05:19] <bcx> darkxst: one these recommends should be in deps http://paste.ubuntu.com/12892236/
[05:20] <bcx> darkxst: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12892232/ works great for trusty/vivid
[05:23] <darkxst> bcx, I don't know, there are maybe 2-3 people in the world that insist on using GNOME with --no-recommends
[05:24] <darkxst> more than happy to take fixes affecting deps, but not about to spend time debugging them
[05:24] <bcx> darkxst: maybe we are not a lot but we are consistent with what recommends means
[05:24] <darkxst> well sometimes upstream changes don't get reflected
[05:25] <darkxst> its not always obvious when upstream move from a soft (optional) dep to a hard dep
[05:25] <bcx> darkxst: keep/try my results for trusty/vivid if it can help the other 2 :)
[05:26] <bcx> darkxst: I understand as building a distro without automated tests :S
[05:27] <bcx> darkxst: so many combinations to manually check...
[05:29] <bcx> darkxst: btw I don't know if you remember our discussion 2 days ago about my chicken&egg issue with user-themes
[05:31] <bcx> darkxst: I can workaround it with 'gsettings set ... name Mytheme' either in session-migration or a simple autostart
[05:32] <darkxst> bcx, that is what the gsettings overrides are for!
[05:33] <darkxst> if you want to override settings system wide, use those
[05:33] <bcx> darkxst: already overriden org.gnome.shell.extensions.user-theme
[05:34] <darkxst> and I am still sure you don't need user-theme plugin for themes loaded from /usr/share
[05:34] <bcx> darkxst: some execution is required somewhere, I can confirm diff oldgsettings newgsettings returns nothing
[05:35] <darkxst> the whole point of user-theme is load plugins from ~/.local/share
[05:35] <bcx> darkxst: yes ! i would love to do that
[05:35] <darkxst> glib-compile-schemas /usr/share/glib-2.0/scheams
[05:35] <darkxst> after you edit the override file
[05:35] <bcx> darkxst: checking a sources it does at both $HOME & .local
[05:35] <bcx> darkxst: of course
[05:36] <bcx> 200+300MB landed, I confirm it is a "recommended" issue :)
[05:37] <darkxst> take a look at the germinate output for ubuntugnome
[05:37] <darkxst> and look for recommends below the core components
[05:37] <bcx> darkxst: yes "Recommended packages:" @ http://paste.ubuntu.com/12892236/
[05:39] <bcx> darkxst: you were taking about ibus-gtk3 ibus-table
[05:40] <darkxst> maybe and ibus of course
[05:40] <darkxst> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu-gnome.wily/rdepends/
[05:42] <darkxst> and maybe things like libclutter-1.0-common libcogl-common modemmanager network-manager-gnome
[05:47] <bcx> darkxst: my issue is more with gdm/gnome-session as I can startx
[05:48] <darkxst> bcx, gtg now
[05:49] <bcx> darkxst: thanks for your time
[08:51] <Dracco> Hello lads, quick quesion: any idea what time today is Gnome Wily released?
[09:07] <darkxst> Dracco, after I go to sleep
[09:09] <darkxst> probably around EOD in west coast US
[09:14] <Dracco> awesome, thanks!
[09:15] <darkxst> eliasps, think I uploaded most things for you
[14:51] <mgedmin> hm, should I ppa-purge before upgrading to 15.10?
[14:57]  * mgedmin assumes it's the safe course and does so
[15:02] <mgedmin> oh my, is ppa-purge amazingly slow?  yes it is
[15:44] <bp0> using ubuntu gnome as guest in virtualbox, with virtualbox-guest-utils installed, the mouse pointer is invisible during login
[15:47] <eliasps> darkxst thank you. I'll let you know about the rest.
[15:49] <mgedmin> what sort of input device does virtualbox present?
[15:49] <eliasps> Now that wily has been released, all the packages in staging (for wily) will be copied to xerial at the early development? What's the schedule?
[15:49] <mgedmin> if it looks like a touchscreen, gnome might be hiding the mouse cursor because it thinks you're running it on a tablet
[15:54] <bp0> mgedmin, you are right that vbox's default pointing device setting is USB Tablet
[15:54] <bp0> but I changed it to PS/2 Mouse and the same result
[15:54] <bp0> also, after login, the pointer is visible either way
[15:55] <mgedmin> I guess then my guess was incorrect
[16:01] <bp0> but good idea, tho
[16:02] <bp0> with usb tablet selected there is a usb input device, with ps2 mouse selected there is a serial input device
[16:02] <bp0> but either way there is another input device on pci
[16:02] <bp0> the vbox guest pci device that provides pointer integration
[16:03] <bp0> dmesg | grep input  ... shows both devices
[16:04] <bp0> maybe after login uses sees them in a different order than before login
[16:04] <bp0> but now i'm guessing
[16:07] <Olotila> can I get a menu or something for open apps?
[16:07] <Olotila> like "places", but it would be "running apps"
[16:07] <Olotila> or rather something that is always visible
[16:08] <mgedmin> there's probably a window list extension somewhere
[16:09] <bp0> Olotila, mgedmin: there is an extension... look in gnome-tweak-tool / extensions
[16:11] <bp0> its called "Window list"
[16:12] <Olotila> this seems nice
[16:12] <Olotila> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/105/panel-docklet/
[16:14]  * mgedmin thinks about the inevitable disappointment that will come later when Olotila discovers the downsides of extensions (they become outdated and stop working, or are buggy and crash/freeze gnome-shell)
[16:14]  * mgedmin becomes sad
[16:22] <Olotila> i am pretty new to gnome, so that future does not scare me :)
[16:22] <Olotila> i am kinda searching my workflow with gnome, so far I like a lot
[16:23] <Olotila> i got bunch of crap all over, but it's not bothering me atm
[16:23] <Olotila> all kinda widgets and stuff
[16:23] <Olotila> just gonna reinstall or clean up when widgets loose their glamour
[17:18] <octoquad> Olotila, https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/307/dash-to-dock/ <- well maintained
[17:18] <octoquad> hi mgedmin
[17:19] <mgedmin> hi
[17:19] <octoquad> So, happy release day! :)
[17:35] <eliasps> darkxst goa and gnome-session debdiffs for staging: http://pastebin.com/NNQ8pKJS http://pastebin.com/tDaPRXck . On gnome-session, would you check the configure.ac log (from git) because those build-dep bumps I made maybe they should have been done in a previous release.
[17:39] <octoquad> darkxst, could you check this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+patches the bottom <update> / New upstream patches look old. Can you confirm.
[19:50] <mgedmin> I see nautilus 3.16 didn't make it into wily
[19:54] <mgedmin> hello #1418771 old friend
[20:03] <mgedmin> hm, the gnome3 ppa is empty-ish (but thanks for a not-ancient gedit!)
[20:06] <mgedmin> ah, gnome3-staging has nautilus 3.18 and lots of other goodies
[20:06] <mgedmin> yummy
[20:43] <mgedmin> ah my computer feels so fast after a reboot
[21:49] <darkxst> mgedmin, nautilus 3.16 broke just about every ubuntu patch
[21:57] <bcx> darkxst: i got nautilus 3.16 running well with gnome3-staging on vivid
[21:57] <bcx> mgedmin: yes wily starts really faster
[21:57] <darkxst> bcx, we dropped the ubuntu patches there
[21:58] <darkxst> there not really relevant to ubuntu gnome, but needed for actual archive uploads
[22:12] <darkxst> eliasps, thx, uploading now
[23:27] <eliasps> darkxst remind me if you will, what do I need to send you to upload the syncs?
[23:28] <eliasps> I just downloaded the debian files, edited the changelog and debuild.
[23:38] <eliasps> Should I create the debdiffs against the PPA versions of the packages?
[23:42] <berglh> good morning people, congrats on the release
[23:55] <eliasps> ok scratch that. the debdiff against the debian version.
[23:55] <eliasps> berglh good morning.


[02:08] <nhaines> pleia2: oh wow, a blog post.  Hmm, maybe I should.  :)
[07:41] <dholbach> good morning
[08:07] <nhaines> Good morning!
[08:11] <dholbach> hi nhaines
[13:14] <dholbach> http://pad.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-global-jam-vivid is looking better and better :)
[15:37] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Testing updated too now
[16:20] <jose> will create the cloud page soon - finishing some stuff up before


[19:06] <RikMills> do bos02 builders need a poke? they are nearly all 'cleaning' for quite some time
[20:22] <LocutusOfBorg> [cleaning] Cleaning for 3 hours
[20:23] <LocutusOfBorg> nice to know *when* they need a stick :D


[03:10] <squish102> superfly: they have those things?
[03:10] <squish102> never been to one
[04:03] <superfly> squish102: depends on where you are, most likely.
[09:39] <inetpro> theblazehen: maybe now is as good as any other time
[09:39] <inetpro> please do the following when you have time
[09:39] <inetpro> Maaz: list my identities
[09:39] <Maaz> inetpro: inetpro is inetpro on freenode
[09:40] <inetpro> you'll see that Maaz doesn't know you, yet
[09:41] <inetpro> so please get him to know you with "Maaz: create account theblazehen"
[09:42] <inetpro> when you've done that I can add you with "grant chairmeeting to theblazehen" or whatever nick you chose
[09:42] <inetpro> Maaz: how do I use auth
[09:42] <Maaz> inetpro: Adds and removes authentication credentials and permissions. You can use it like this:
[09:42] <Maaz>   authenticate <account> [on source] using <method> [<credential>]
[09:42] <Maaz>   auth <credential>
[09:42] <Maaz>   (grant|revoke|remove) <permission> (to|from|on) <username> [when authed]
[09:42] <Maaz>   permissions [for <username>]
[09:42] <Maaz>   list permissions
[09:43]  * inetpro wbbl
[09:49] <theblazehen> inetpro: Will do in a bit
[14:33] <squish102> Maaz: create account squish102
[14:33] <Maaz> squish102: Yessir
[14:33] <squish102> Maaz: are you as good as google assistant?
[14:33] <Maaz> squish102: Huh?
[16:08] <inetpro> nice to see squish102 getting ready to take the next chance in the hot seat
[16:24] <inetpro> list theblazehen identities
[16:24] <inetpro> oops
[16:24] <inetpro> Maaz: list theblazehen identities
[16:24] <Maaz> inetpro: I don't know who theblazehen is
[16:24] <inetpro> hmm...
[16:25]  * inetpro is back
[16:52] <theblazehen> Maaz: create account theblazehen
[16:52] <Maaz> theblazehen: Sure
[16:52] <theblazehen> Maaz: list theblazehen identities
[16:52] <Maaz> theblazehen: theblazehen is theblazehen on freenode
[17:32] <inetpro> Maaz: grant chairmeeting to theblazehen
[17:32] <Maaz> inetpro: Alrighty
[17:32] <inetpro> Maaz: permissions for theblazehen
[17:32] <Maaz> inetpro: Permissions: +chairmeeting
[17:32] <inetpro> congratulations you are the winner of...
[17:34] <inetpro> theblazehen: feel free to play with it at ##kilos
[17:34] <inetpro> Maaz: help meeting
[17:34] <Maaz> inetpro: Take minutes of an IRC Meeting. You can use it like this:
[17:34] <Maaz>   (start | end) meeting [about <title>]
[17:34] <Maaz>   I am <True Name>
[17:34] <Maaz>   topic <topic>
[17:34] <Maaz>   (agreed | idea | accepted | rejected) <statement>
[17:34] <Maaz>   minutes so far
[17:34] <Maaz>   meeting title is <title>
[17:35] <inetpro> Maaz: join ##kilos
[17:35] <Maaz> inetpro: Joining ##kilos
[17:36] <inetpro> wb pavlushka
[17:37] <pavlushka> Hello inetpro :)
[17:43] <pavlushka> hey pro, you like fishing?
[21:36] <squish102> oops i dont want no hotseat
[21:37] <squish102> Maaz: remove account squish102
[21:37] <Maaz> squish102: Excuse me?
[21:38] <squish102> does anyone here like vmware?
[21:38] <squish102> still playing with it, but it seems buggy as hell
[21:39] <squish102> maybe i should not have downloaded the newest version


[12:30] <cjohnston> alejandraobregon: good morning
[12:31] <alejandraobregon> cjohnston: good morning
[12:31] <cjohnston> Did you get my email?
[12:33] <alejandraobregon> cjohnston: i did, sorry not had chance to reply yet... we have a big deadline for tomorrow and a bit crazy here!
[12:34] <cjohnston> Not a problem.. Mostly wanted to make sure you got it. ;-)
[12:37] <alejandraobregon> cjohnston: any change we could book something early next week? or do you need some urgent feedback?
[12:37] <cjohnston> If you dont have time today then Tuesday?
[12:40] <cjohnston> I'm hoping 15-20 minutes
[12:42] <cjohnston> Tueday after 1400utc should be fine
[12:43] <alejandraobregon> cjohnston: 3pm UK time?
[12:44] <alejandraobregon> cjohnston: just wondering, why did you feel that bug was invalid
[12:48] <cjohnston> which bug
[12:48] <cjohnston> the one jcastro filed?
[12:48] <cjohnston> that was in my email?
[12:49] <cjohnston> 3pm utc is fine.
[12:50] <cjohnston> bug 728095
[12:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 728095 in ubuntu-website-content (and 1 other project) "Create an Ubuntu Values Page (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728095
[12:50] <alejandraobregon> cjohnston: yeah
[12:51] <cjohnston> I didn't make it invalid.. I moved it to ubuntu-website-content
[12:51] <alejandraobregon> cjohnston: ah! got it ... keep doing that!
[12:51] <cjohnston> My understanding of where it belongs.
[12:51] <alejandraobregon> cjohnston: is correct
[12:51] <alejandraobregon> cjohnston: thanks
[12:51] <cjohnston> People attack me over that too..
[12:52] <alejandraobregon> cjohnston: let's talk more tuesday
[12:52] <cjohnston> Sounds good. Thanks!
[12:52] <alejandraobregon> cjohnston: no problem
[14:21] <jcastro> hi!
[14:21] <cjohnston> hey jcastro
[14:21] <cjohnston> alejandraobregon: still around
[14:21] <cjohnston> ?
[14:42] <mars> cjohnston, ping?
[14:43] <cjohnston> yes?
[23:03] <cjohnston> newz2000: bug 728636   can you show the right people please.. and maybe ask Richard Lee to join here and introduce me ;-)
[23:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 728636 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "The style template for the web page used for announces does not interact well with the internal WIKI (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728636
[23:08]  * newz2000 looks
[23:09] <newz2000> oh, yes, I asked for that bug to be created by Kate
[23:09] <newz2000> regarding rhlee, I've asked him, this week he is very busy but I'll remind him on Monday
[23:13] <cjohnston> okie
[23:13] <cjohnston> thanks newz2000