[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60649 in xorg "no dummy package for xlibs giving dep error" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60649
[05:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60661 in xserver-xorg-video-vesa "Screen corruption on GeForce 6600 in vesa mode" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60661
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60712 in xorg "Wrong driver chosen for ATI graphics cards during install, Cant start x" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60712
[02:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60726 in xorg-server "GL_ARB_fragment_program support" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60726
[06:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60762 in xserver-xorg-video-savage "can't use 1024x768 with savage driver in edgy (vrefresh out of range)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60762
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60800 in xorg "Screen freezes with some cards when using the nvidia driver" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60800
[10:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60805 in xorg "package postinst doesnt support preseeding of the VideoRam parameter" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60805


[01:51] <bryce> is it correct that xserver 1.5 has a required dependency for libpciaccess?
[01:52] <jcristau> bryce: yes
[01:53] <bryce> 'k thx
[02:35] <bryce> filed lp #239614
[08:25] <tjaalton> bryce: I think we should get a newer mesa (7.0.x) in proposed.. there are a lot of fixes for lockups and crashes
[08:25] <tjaalton> I'll prepare a diff
[08:26] <tjaalton> even if it's post .1
[08:50] <tjaalton> bryce: no need to modify the maintainer address for fakesyncs ;)
[08:51] <tjaalton> since the version is !ubuntuN
[09:32] <bryce> tjaalton: re:mesa agreed
[09:32] <bryce> tjaalton: the ume guys asked me about it too
[09:39] <seb128> hey bryce
[09:39] <seb128> bryce:
[09:39] <seb128>  [dpkg-source output:] dpkg-source: error: file x11proto-dmx_2.2.2.orig.tar.gz has size 45403 instead of expected 45375
[09:39] <seb128>  [dpkg-source output:] dpkg-source: error: file x11proto-bigreqs_1.0.2.orig.tar.gz has size 42386 instead of expected 42493
[09:39] <seb128> those syncs a not working
[09:39] <tjaalton> bryce: I'll upload a new merged version to intrepid soonish, debian pulled stuff from the stable branch that had a lot of 965 fixes
[09:55] <bryce> seb128: is it just those two packages?
[09:55] <seb128> yes
[09:57] <bryce> hmm
[09:57] <bryce> I put sync requests in for those two packages (#238712, #238713).  I wonder if they got sync'd incorrectly
[09:58] <seb128> right, that's what I'm telling you
[09:58] <seb128> the sync didn't work because the orig.tar.gz are different in debian and ubuntu
[09:58] <seb128> you have to do manual syncs
[09:59] <bryce> is there any way we can just chuck our orig.tar.gz and go with debians?  it sucks having to fakesync all these proto libs every time
[09:59] <seb128> no
[09:59] <bryce> bleah
[09:59] <seb128> we can't override a published orig.tar.gz
[10:00] <tjaalton> bryce: convince upstream to release new versions :)
[10:00] <bryce> why not?
[10:00] <seb128> because that would break hardy for example
[10:00] <seb128> the md5sum would not correspond to the hardy checksums,e tc
[10:00] <tjaalton> the same tarball is shared with multiple releases
[10:01] <bryce> tjaalton: ahh
[10:06] <bryce> tjaalton: well upstream hardly ever seems to release new versions of the protos
[10:06] <tjaalton> right
[10:06] <bryce> tjaalton: so this sucks
[10:07] <tjaalton> bryce: yep, but the changes in them aren't that big, so bypassing them isn't a big deal
[10:07] <seb128> well, debian doesn't do a lot of change to those either
[10:08] <tjaalton> bigbig
[10:08] <bryce> I guess but look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Xorg/versions_current.html - debian changed like half of them
[10:10] <bryce> maybe it's mostly administrivia
[10:10] <bryce> seb128: I'll just fakesync those two then.
[10:11] <seb128> thanks
[10:11] <seb128> bryce: somebody will have to do the fake syncs anyway
[10:12] <seb128> I mean for things on the merge lists
[10:12] <tjaalton> bryce: right, cleanups etc judging by the changelogs
[10:12] <seb128> tjaalton is listed for the input ones there
[10:12] <tjaalton> what where?
[10:13] <tjaalton> oh
[10:13] <tjaalton> MoM
[10:14] <tjaalton> those will be synced along with xserver 1.5
[10:15] <seb128> tjaalton: http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html
[10:16] <tjaalton> seb128: yep
[10:16] <seb128> when will the 1.5 xserver be available?
[10:16] <tjaalton> when libdrm 2.3.1 is released
[10:17] <tjaalton> and mesa 7.1
[10:17] <bryce> tjaalton: dunno if you saw but I put in the mir req for libpciaccess today
[10:17] <tjaalton> experimental has 7.1rc, but libdrm is needed for that
[10:18] <tjaalton> bryce: yes I saw that, it's required as well
[10:21] <tjaalton> I have to make a travel expense report of the trip to UDS before I leave on vacation, but maybe there's time to merge xserver so it's easier to re-merge when it's ready for upload
[10:21] <tjaalton> :P
[10:22] <bryce> tjaalton: I've got an -openchrome merge I'm going to upload
[10:23] <tjaalton> hardy is now running on all the public workstations here, 229 in total ATM
[10:23] <bryce> cool
[10:23] <tjaalton> bryce: ok, it could be synced when the next version is uploaded on debian
[10:23] <tjaalton> it only lacks the patch to generated the pci-id's list
[10:23] <tjaalton> -d
[10:23] <bryce> tjaalton: this -openchrome is the first merging of the ubuntu version and debian version
[10:23] <bryce> yep
[10:23] <tjaalton> bryce: right
[10:24] <tjaalton> well, drop everything else than the patch and it's good :)
[10:24] <bryce> tjaalton: I'd appreciate your review of it to make sure it's correct
[10:24] <tjaalton> no problem
[10:25] <bryce> yeah I did mostly drop everything...  still worth the check tho
[10:25] <tjaalton> drop the diff somewhere and I'll have a look
[10:25] <tjaalton> oh, uploaded already :)
[10:26] <tjaalton> the changelog looks good
[10:26] <tjaalton> actually you can see the commit diff on debian-x@ and compare :)
[11:31] <tjaalton> bryce: uh, pulled my (nonexistend) hair off while doing the travel report, so have to postpone the merges to next tuesday
[11:32] <bryce> tjaalton: bummer... well we can get to them eventually
[12:18] <tjaalton> bryce: well, I've merged xorg-server now, but have to test which patches are still needed. That'll have to wait until next Tuesday ;)
[12:35] <Q-FUNK> ok, it seems that bgoglin is about to upload a fixed package for NSC into unstable.
[12:35] <Q-FUNK> once he's done, we'll just need to sync into intrepid.
[12:36] <Q-FUNK> as soon as he has uploaded, I'll follow with a -geode that features a versionned Conflicts against older -nsc
[12:36] <Q-FUNK> in all cases, the only tricky part is how we approach solving hardy issues


[03:35] <airtonix>  /ignore head_victim
[03:35] <head_victim> Hah
[03:35] <airtonix> bug reporting, does your website have a wiki guide on the proper protocols on reporting bugs ?
[03:36]  * head_victim goes to look
[03:36] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/BugJams has links
[03:36] <head_victim> That was set up by kermiac for a bug jam he ran.
[10:46] <sagaci> etax doesn't seem to work with wine1.3
[11:45] <benonsoftware> See you all!


[01:18] <hrw> aloha
[16:21] <topfs2> is there any guide for ubuntu arm how to setup usb gadget support for networking?
[16:38] <rcn-ee> topfs2, i point most users to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking  it's the most complete i've seen..
[18:00] <ogra_ac> lool, hmm, i dont get why x-loader ftbfs, i can build it locally just fine
[18:33] <topfs2> thanks rcn-ee wil read through it
[18:41] <topfs2> rcn-ee, problm for me is that guide works for me with beagle but on panda it doesn't get recognized. I'm thinking the gadget on the board needs to be configured, not sure how
[18:42] <topfs2> So that guide is after I have that working :)
[19:09] <topfs2> is there any way to check how the kernel is configured in ubuntu? so I know which modules are compiled and not?
[19:11] <ogra_ac> look in /boot
[19:11] <ogra_ac> all kernel packages install their config there in ubuntu
[19:13] <topfs2> oh cool, thanks!
[19:14] <topfs2> CONFIG_USB_GADGET=y seems like its there atleast
[19:14] <topfs2> Just need to config then I guess
[19:18] <topfs2> CONFIG_USB_ETH=m that means its a module I guess?
[19:21] <topfs2> doesn't seem I can modprobe g_ether
[19:26] <topfs2> http://pastebin.ca/1978117 so this means it doesn't exist in the mavericks std omap4 kernel modules ?
[19:27] <topfs2> but according to this it should be there http://pastebin.ca/1978119
[22:39] <topfs2> ok so I'm the idiot :) I switched the rootfs and the new one didn't have the g_ether :)
[23:13] <tmzt> hmm?
[23:15] <topfs2> tmzt, had problems with g_ether module before
[23:52] <topfs2> can I find the .deb for the kernel in the omap4 maverick netbook somewere or am I forced to compile it myself?
[23:52] <topfs2> the 2.6.35-903-omap4 one


[07:39] <Nafallo> morning o/
[07:43] <duflu> Hello Nafallo
[07:44] <duflu> jamesh, you may enjoy this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libinput/+bug/1696929/comments/14
[07:44] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1696929 in libinput (Ubuntu) "X1 Carbon gen4 and gen5 touchpads are unresponsive and laggy" [High,Triaged]
[07:44] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:44] <duflu> Or you may not care
[07:44] <duflu> Morning seb128
[07:44] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you today?
[07:44] <duflu> seb128, alright I think. Just getting up to speed and filling the sponsorship queue :)
[07:45] <duflu> How goes seb128?
[07:47] <seb128> not fully awake yet but good otherwise
[07:47] <Nafallo> speaking of that... coffee time.
[07:47] <Nafallo> salut seb128 :-)
[07:51] <duflu> Back shortly
[07:55] <jamesh> duflu: I've still got my touchpad disabled, so no immediate benefit for me
[07:56] <jamesh> duflu: primarily due to unwanted touchpad input while using the trackpoint
[07:59] <seb128> hey Nafallo
[08:25] <koza> duflu, hey & why :)
[08:26] <duflu> koza, hello. Because the meeting moved itself out of hours for me. And yet my timezone never moved. :)
[08:27] <koza> duflu, right, which direction I should move it?
[08:27] <duflu> koza, earlier 1h, or at least 30 min
[08:27] <koza> duflu, and welcome back, hope vacation time was good
[08:27] <duflu> Thanks, yeah
[08:28] <koza> duflu, done
[08:28] <duflu> koza, ta
[08:47] <willcooke> morning all
[08:49] <koza> willcooke, o/
[08:50] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:50] <willcooke> hi oSoMoN koza
[08:52] <oSoMoN> hey willcooke
[09:02] <willcooke> seb128 - fyi the meeting moved forward an hour to now
[09:03] <willcooke> ditto jibel ^
[09:08] <Laney> whoops
[09:08] <Laney> forgot to say hi!
[09:10] <willcooke> hi Laney
[09:11] <oSoMoN> hey Laney
[09:11] <Laney> sup homies
[09:11] <Laney> can't speak this morning
[09:11] <Laney> eXxXtreme carol singing last night
[09:16] <jibel> willcooke, oh, like now?
[09:16] <willcooke> jibel, just wrapping up
[09:16] <andyrock> Laney,  seb128 so pymacaroon should be safely backported
[09:16] <andyrock> nacl nope
[09:17] <andyrock> I'm trying to patch pymacaroon-bakery to used the old version of nacl
[09:21] <Laney> hey andyrock
[09:21] <andyrock> hey Laney
[09:21] <andyrock> *to use
[09:24] <seb128> andyrock, hey, ok, let me know how it goes
[09:24] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney oSoMoN, how is everybody today?
[09:24] <seb128> willcooke, oh, sorry I didn't realize the meeting shifted :/
[09:25] <oSoMoN> hey seb128, I'm good, how are you?
[09:25] <duflu> koza, oh it was firmware actually: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1729389
[09:25] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1729389 in linux (Ubuntu) "Bluetooth mouse and keyboard connects, works for a few seconds, then doesn't react" [High,Confirmed]
[09:26] <duflu> And morning willcooke, oSoMoN, Laney, andyrock
[09:28] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[09:29] <seb128> oSoMoN, I'm fine, though snow has been melting and water is dropping from the ceiling in the baby room now :/ (there is a leak on the roof/balcony but they don't really have a clue where/how to fix it, so they tried a bunch of fixes and we have to wait for some time to see if that fixes it or if we get water again ... seems they still didn't get it right :-+()
[09:29] <seb128> I'm moving his stuff atm, water dropped on his books and clothes :-/
[09:30] <duflu> seb128, same here actually. I fixed the leaks in the bedroom before vacation and am yet to fix more apparent leaks in the kitchen
[09:30] <duflu> Good thing it's summer now, so clouds are rare
[09:33] <oSoMoN> ouch, that leak sounds really bad
[09:35] <koza> duflu, nice
[09:37] <Laney> hey seb128 & duflu
[09:37] <Laney> seb128: :-(
[09:40] <duflu> koza, although it sounds backwards I will happily upload your 5.47 work to git after it gets released. Seems it's not there yet, and that way I won't have to do it twice
[09:42] <koza> duflu, i have it on a branch
[09:42] <koza> duflu, did not wanted to merge before it is official for obvious reasons
[09:44] <oSoMoN> no snow here, but it's been freezing, I got ice cubes out of the hosepipe this morning
[09:44] <koza> duflu, https://code.launchpad.net/~kzapalowicz/bluez/+git/bluez/+ref/sru/xenial-auto-enable-adapters I'll MP it
[09:49] <duflu> koza, there's no branch for bionic or 5.47 yet (https://git.launchpad.net/~bluetooth/bluez/refs/heads) but I'll do it if you don't feel like it (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bluetooth/BluezGit)
[09:50] <koza> duflu, Im happy to leave it for you, Im afraid that i could mess sth up
[09:51] <duflu> Yeah git invokes fear for many, but you're fine if you remember not to push anything to LP till it's right
[09:51] <duflu> In the worst case just delete your local stuff and start again
[09:53] <koza> I was more thinking about branches strategy and such since you have set it up I feel double stress not to spoil it :) Im then happy to leave it for someonw who knows what is doing
[09:54] <duflu> That's OK. I need to go look at Christmas prep in a moment anyway. Back tomorrow
[09:55] <koza> take care
[09:57] <Laney> brb
[11:03] <andyrock> Laney seb128 ok I was able to build and test pymacaroonbakery using xenial's nacl
[11:03] <andyrock> I'll double check if pymacaroon is really safe to sru
[11:04] <Laney> andyrock: alright, at the end of the day it's the SRU team you have to convince so probably make sure the arguments are written down in the bug report
[11:05] <Laney> What you're changing / why / why it's safe / how to test
[11:05] <Laney> & what could break (regression potential)
[14:12] <mdeslaur> is there something I need to do to get mpris integration in gnome shell?
[14:31] <mdeslaur> ah, never mind, had to install gnome-shell-extension-mediaplayer
[14:31] <mdeslaur> and then gnome-tweak-tool to enable it
[14:32] <willcooke> :) was just about to say "you gotta install an extension", but didnt know you had to use tweak-tool.  Good to know.
[14:33] <mdeslaur> willcooke: desktop construction kit!
[14:33] <willcooke> lol
[14:34] <mdeslaur> "When you hate when it just works!(tm)"
[14:34] <Nafallo> ehrm. tweaktool is not necessary? there's some other thing...
[14:34] <mgedmin> probably depends on how you install the extension
[14:35] <mgedmin> (if with apt-get, it makes sense that each user has to opt in to have it enableD)
[14:35] <Nafallo> gnome-shell-extension-prefs and gnome-shell-extension-tool :-)
[14:35] <mdeslaur> i clicked on the extension web page, but it downloaded a zip which I had no idea what to do with
[14:36] <Nafallo> ah. I've only used apt thus far :-)
[14:40] <andyrock> seb128, Laney I updated the bug making sure it's an SRU one now
[14:41] <andyrock> I also updated python3-macaroon-bakery debdiff to make sure that xenial's python3-nacl is used
[14:41] <andyrock> asked to pymacaroons maintainers if the changes are backward compatibles
[14:42] <andyrock> they said yes but to be sure I also tested it (building snapcraft, that seems like is the only package in xenial using it)
[14:42] <andyrock> do I need to do something more or just wait for the SRU team to take care of it?
[14:43] <jbicha> mdeslaur: if you want the webpage to work, you have to install chrome-gnome-shell (not just for Chrome), see LP: #1695565
[14:43] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1695565 in chrome-gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "[MIR] chrome-gnome-shell" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1695565
[14:44] <jbicha> if you install extensions via the webpage (with chrome-gnome-shell installed) or via the GNOME Software app, the extension will be enabled automatically
[14:44] <mdeslaur> jbicha: eww, no, i definitely don't want that
[14:45] <jbicha> ok, then use the GNOME Software app to install extensions
[14:45] <mgedmin> "the webpage" here refers to extensions.gnome.org, rather than each invidivual extension's home page
[14:45] <jbicha> that MIR has been open for 6 months :(
[14:46] <mdeslaur> sounds like a terrible idea, no wonder :)
[14:46] <mdeslaur> but installing via the gnome software app is good to know
[14:46] <jbicha> mdeslaur: yeah, but it was the first thing you tried today ;)
[14:47] <mdeslaur> jbicha: no, the first thing was swearing how dumb that in 2017 a desktop doesn,t have media controls
[14:47] <mdeslaur> then someone gave me the link to the web page
[14:47] <jbicha> what media app are you using?
[14:47] <mdeslaur> I tried spotify and rhythmbox
[14:48] <jbicha> I thought rhythmbox had play & pause buttons in the clock notifications menu in the top bar
[14:49] <mdeslaur> that's what I wanted, but I needed the extension for that
[14:50] <mdeslaur> oh wait, the clock menu?
[14:50] <mdeslaur> wow, what a dumb place to put that
[14:50] <mdeslaur> yeah, rhythmbox shows it there, but not spotify
[14:51] <mdeslaur> actually, I take that back
[14:51] <mdeslaur> looks like spotify has it there too
[14:52] <mdeslaur> ok, so the extension isn't needed at all
[14:53] <jbicha> file a bug that if the media controls are going to be hidden in the clock menu, it would be nice for discoverability if there was at least an indicator icon there to point it out
[14:55] <mdeslaur> sure
[15:05] <mdeslaur> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=791581
[15:05] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 791581 in message-tray "MPRIS controls are undiscoverable" [Normal,New]
[15:06] <jbicha> thanks!
[15:11] <mdeslaur> so click on the clock to see your music, click on the speaker icon to set the clock...I think I understand now. ;)
[15:15] <seb128> mdeslaur, that makes you miss unity right? ;-)
[15:15]  * mdeslaur cries
[15:16] <mdeslaur> seb128: I want to hug mpt
[15:16] <seb128> 17.10 made me realize that even if unity7 had be on low maint mode for some years it still had far better usability and feeling that what we have now :-/
[15:17] <seb128> well it's usable, but doesn't feel as easy and optimized
[15:17] <mpt> The indicators predated Unity, and I always thought they would outlast it as well
[15:18] <mpt> Ah well
[15:18] <andyrock> seb128: it must be because of Nux :D
[15:18] <Trevinho> morning guys
[15:19] <Trevinho> seb128: it was all underground job, lots of things didn't change apparently, but actually did :)
[15:20] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, well I meant design/UI components
[15:20] <seb128> like the indicators/dash/etc didn't change much in recent years
[15:20] <seb128> but it still has better screen use that GNOME
[15:20] <seb128> better multimonitor support
[15:20] <Trevinho> seb128: anyway I think we might get things better, but I think that implies having more extensions or (better) an our big fat extension with way more things to hack and then if upstream wants we can merge... As trying to work only upstream is fine for some things, but harder if we want to get some things done asap.
[15:22] <seb128> Trevinho, it's tricky, we said we were going with what upstream is doing to reducing maintainance work, if we increase the delta with extensions or such then we go back at having more code to maintain/debug and diverge from upstream
[15:23] <seb128> would be easier if they realized there are things nice in unity they could copy/do as well :)
[15:23] <mdeslaur> I really miss having a workspace switcher
[15:23] <jbicha> one issue is that most GNOME contributors have been using GNOME for long enough to have gotten used to its quirks
[15:24] <mdeslaur> yeah, that's a common problem...it's why user-testing is important
[15:24] <jbicha> it didn't occur to me at first that mdeslaur might not have known about the media controls in the clock notifications menu :|
[15:25] <mdeslaur> yeah, once you know the media controls are in the clock, you know
[15:25] <mdeslaur> but discoverability can only be measured by someone who doesn't
[15:29] <kenvandine> jibel, someone might have questions for a test related task for google code-in
[15:29] <kenvandine> Convert manual tests for GNOME Software into automatic ones
[15:29] <kenvandine> is the task
[15:29] <kenvandine> jibel, i told him if he has questions to ping you here
[15:30] <kenvandine> jibel, hope that's ok :)
[15:32] <jibel> kenvandine, that's would be very nice.
[15:32] <Trevinho> seb128: true... But currently I think upstream is busy anyway with other things, so not that this maintenance happens much. And for the one we did, it still takes time to get in
[15:32] <jibel> heber, ^
[15:32] <kenvandine> jibel, could you please join #ubuntu-google?
[15:32] <kenvandine> or heber ^^
[15:32] <seb128> Trevinho, right
[15:32]  * kenvandine needs to go back to being on holiday :)
[15:34] <Nafallo> seems moving away from the PC for music was the right thing to do ;-)
[15:34] <jbicha> seb128 is the Anti-Scrooge :)
[15:34]  * Nafallo asks Google to play some music for him
[15:35] <Trevinho> seb128: so... well, I want to do stuff upstream, but I recognize not everything can be done at that level, so having the hands a bit more free in getting stuff shaped would help. If we do it in the right way also giving that upstream is easier (ui side at least).
[15:55] <mdeslaur> why are menu mnemonics shown by default?
[15:59] <mdeslaur> oh, it's just firefox
[15:59] <mdeslaur> nm
[16:03] <heber> jibel, kenvandine I joined #ubuntu-google
[16:25] <mdeslaur> heh, I don't get the gnome top right menu at all. Click on any icon, get a big ass menu with basically the same icons in it but vertical and require you to click again on the same icon to get what you wanted.
[16:27] <jbicha> mdeslaur: I think that was a compromise for better touch support, but join #gnome-design on irc.gnome.org if you want to discuss stuff like that :)
[16:28] <mdeslaur> jbicha: I doubt they will enjoy having someone show up and say everything is badly designed. I'll pass. :)
[16:38] <mdeslaur> (I'm not a designer)
[16:44] <seb128> mdeslaur, yeah, another point where the unity indicator worked better
[16:45] <seb128> it's annoying having to do another click to show the useful items
[18:24] <willcooke> night all
[18:37] <oSoMoN> popey, I've made some progress with an aws gpu instance, got chromium and firefox (debs) running HW accelerated following instructions at https://medium.com/@pigiuz/setting-up-a-hw-accelerated-desktop-on-aws-g2-instances-4b58718a4541
[18:37] <oSoMoN> snaps won't run hw-accelerated yet though
[18:38] <popey> Interesting!
[18:38] <oSoMoN> vglrun uses LD_PRELOAD, which is being tripped by snap confinement
[18:38] <popey> ah!
[18:39] <popey> not sure this aws gpu instance nonsense is gonna ever work
[18:39] <popey> unless we can get it auto-logging into unity or something
[18:39] <popey> so it's running on bare metal gpu, not in a vnc style window
[18:40] <oSoMoN> yeah
[18:40] <oSoMoN> installing snaps in devmode doesn't help
[18:41] <popey> i imagine the desktop not actually putting pixels on a screen via a gpu doesn't help
[18:41] <oSoMoN> yeah
[18:41] <oSoMoN> how do I rent a monitor on aws? ;)
[18:46] <oSoMoN> enough for today, time for dinner


[03:24] <XubuntuStudent2> Hello could I get help?
[05:41] <flandersuse> I see on the list of available ISOs Xubuntu Netbook. What is the difference, really? Is it just a few extra packages pre-installed? Or does it use a modified kernel, tailored for netbooks (such as array.org's netbook kernel.)
[05:57] <Sakara> I have a P3 766Mhz with enough memory. will the CPU have enough grunt to run xubuntu 9.04?
[06:05] <advaita> I am having problems with certain permissions, ie. changing a plain text file since it is read only.  Anyone know how I can change this?
[06:20] <Sakara> !chown
[06:21] <Sakara> that wasn't all to useful
[06:22] <Sakara> !chmod
[06:22] <Sakara> thats more useful advaita
[06:33] <advaita> ty
[08:52] <premorphos> !oss dependence
[08:52] <premorphos> !oss
[08:53] <premorphos> !alsa
[08:57] <premorphos> i must rebuild my system conserning sound-handling any one got a clue?
[08:58] <premorphos> !repair system
[08:59] <premorphos> !repair ubuntu
[08:59] <premorphos> !repair
[08:59] <Sysi> don't play with that, at least on public channel
[11:12] <Lusule> hi there, does anyone know how I get rid of the keyring?  It's driving me nuts that I have to put in a password before it'll connect to my wireless everytime, I just want it to connect
[12:00] <xharx1> is xubuntu suitable for aspire one 110 german
[12:02] <denmark> y0
[12:02] <denmark> :)
[12:02] <Sysi> xharx1: yes, i think
[12:02] <denmark> hello all
[12:02] <xharx1> fine ill test it
[12:02] <denmark> hello sysi :) forgot me?
[12:03] <denmark> lol
[12:04] <denmark> ok never mind :)
[12:12] <Snafex> Whenever I try to run a launcher, it just opens it in mousepad, anyone have an idea on how to fix it?
[12:14] <Snafex> 67 people, one of which is an op, and no response...
[12:14] <Snafex> that's impressive
[12:15] <_Pete_> no ideas
[12:15] <_Pete_> happy?
[12:15] <Snafex> sarcastic?
[12:35] <premorphos> this might be a daft Q but i cant find any thin on this subject. in windows (sorry for cursing) there is a repair windows funktion, is there a similar in xubuntu?
[13:13] <Pres-Gas> Good morrow
[13:57] <blip-> hi all,  I just booted my xubuntu 9.04 system and only modified the system volume in xfce-mixer on the taskbar... after I did this I noticed xfce-mixer is using 50-60% of my cpu constantly.
[13:57] <blip-> any idea what happened ?   Such patience. :-\
[17:50]  * likemindead bought a new hdd for his old laptop & is installing Xubuntu 9.10 Beta on it. :-)
[18:28] <likemindead> Hmm... how long should "Scanning the mirror..." take on a Xubuntu 9.10 Beta install? It's been at 80% for at least ten minutes. :-\
[18:29] <SiDi> likemindead: depends on luck
[18:29] <SiDi> sometimes it's instant, sometimes it's _long_
[18:30] <likemindead> Ha! Now it's moving again. :-)
[18:33] <Pres-Gas> hmmm, I wonder if one of the other virtual terminals would show more detailed progress, likemindead and SiDi?
[18:38] <genii> If it's an alt cd then console 4 shows stdout
[18:38] <likemindead> Yikes... http://imagebin.ca/img/jlTzSJ.jpg
[18:39] <genii> !slow
[18:39] <likemindead> Yup. I always change my repo server as soon as I get up and running. I'll skip the language packs for now.
[18:39] <likemindead> Does that "!slow" command give real time info? Does it change?
[18:41] <genii> It's not a dynamic realtime factoid reflecting current network status or so. Since 9.10 is currently newly in RC we're using it as the mirrors are being hammered
[18:42] <genii> Sorry, Beta, not RC yet
[18:42] <likemindead> Roger.
[20:05] <xharx> how much faster does an installation boot in comparision with a life usb drive?
[20:07] <Sysi> varies
[20:07] <Sysi> usually quite a lot faster
[20:35] <tavasti> in my xubuntu 9.04 if I clicked URL on irc or skype, it opened in firefox, and firefox stayed in it's place, but now in Karmic Firefox comes to same desktop as the program which is calling it. How to get behaviour I had before?
[20:37] <Sysi> in settings, there are advanced settings for window manager or something like that
[20:37] <Sysi> i may need to get english xubuntu
[20:38] <tavasti> don't bother, that hint is enough for me
[20:40] <tavasti> window manager tweaks - focus - wehen window raises itself
[20:41] <tavasti> Sysi, thanks! You are running your xubuntu in Finnish?
[20:55] <Sysi> yes
[20:56] <Sysi> i wondered if i remember you :)
[21:20] <Alcasar_> Hi all
[21:20] <Alcasar_> I'v installed Ubuntu at home and i find it slow, would XUbuntu be faster?
[21:20] <Sysi> propably, but may not very much
[21:22] <Alcasar_> How come Ubuntu is slower then Win XP? That doesn't seem right.
[21:23] <Sysi> it shouldn't be
[21:23] <knome> Alcasar_, windows xp was released in 2001, the newest ubuntu is released this year.
[21:23] <Sysi> it's still lighter
[21:23] <Alcasar_> windows is so blotted
[21:23] <Sysi> at least if antivirus is also notified
[21:24] <Alcasar_> Sysi: antivirus???
[21:24] <Sysi> in xp
[21:24] <Sysi> can you use it without?
[21:25] <knome> Sysi, yes :P
[21:25] <Sysi> but with internet, and how long :P
[21:25] <knome> depends
[21:25] <Alcasar_> My home comp is not connected to the net so no antivirus or other protection software
[21:25] <knome> i'm not saying you should, but you can
[21:29] <Alcasar_> win comp + internet - (antivirus + firewall) = hundreds of viruses and other malware in a couple of minutes
[21:30] <knome> you can have antivirus somewhere else than in your computer
[21:30] <knome> that's offtopic anyway, so let's not get into that
[21:33] <Alcasar_> ok
[21:34] <Alcasar_> as i said no net at home and right now i'm using a winxp comp, so how can i download apps for ubuntu?
[21:39] <mhall119|work> Alcasar_: Keryx
[21:40] <Alcasar_> keryx works on winxp?
[21:40] <Alcasar_> and it's not just in development
[21:41] <mhall119|work> Alcasar_: it works on Windows, and I've used it in the past
[21:42] <Alcasar_> ok thanks
[22:23] <Olimpico> Hello, I just upgraded to 9.10 Beta, everything works fine, but I cannot write accents
[22:23] <Olimpico> Can someone please help me_
[22:23] <Olimpico> _
[23:06] <pteague_work> i had to run `alsa force-reload` ... any way to get the volume control back in the panel?
[23:07] <pteague_work> nm, finally found it


 *retorts with 50kW lasers pointed right at Simon, causing third degree burns* ... ooops?  :P
 it was either that or the GTK1 fiasco
 :P
[00:44] <guiverc> boys, this type of discussion is usually in other rooms
 nah we're all good
 i will be rebooting the infra swrver for security updates shortly
 so everything will kaput briefly (bare metal host)
[00:47] <guiverc> ack & thanks @teward001
[02:23] <guiverc> arraybolt3, have you installed a recent Lubuntu to thumb-drive easily?  (your answer on discourse)..   I have no reason to do it & don't test for it; but I have tested for it in the past & whilst easy on 18.04/ubiquity, I did have issues on some boxes with calamares but didn't I care to explore
[02:26] <arraybolt3> Actually, I've not! I should do that. I'm about to have a bare-metal system to do it on. I've done it so many times before with earlier Linux versions, so I didn't expect that there might be a problem there.
[02:26] <arraybolt3> Thanks for the heads-up!
[02:27] <guiverc> sorry for my poor wording; ... s/didn't i care/i didn't care/
[02:28] <arraybolt3> I actually read it as "i didn't care" lol
[02:28] <guiverc> :)  (I didn't type the word I until later, but inserted it in the wrong spot)
[02:29] <arraybolt3> Hey, I'm writing the LibreOffice localization workaround guide, and I've hit a bit of a problem.
[02:29] <arraybolt3> Sometimes the packages are just names things like "libreoffice-l10n-de" for German, or "libreoffice-l10n-fr" for French.
[02:30] <arraybolt3> But sometimes they're named "libreoffice-l10n-en-gb" (notice the "en-gb" at the end as opposed to just one "code" like "de").
[02:30] <arraybolt3> I was going to tell people to just Google what their language code should be, and then customize the "apt install" command accordingly, but I'm not sure if I can do that.
[02:31] <guiverc> I'd likely pick one language as example, eg. using French.. then at the end note that some languages have slightly different names, using english as example of that....   Do whatever you consider best
[02:31] <arraybolt3> Do you happen to know if there's a shell command that will bring up the localization code so that I can provide a Bash oneliner that will auto-detect the right language and install it?
[02:31] <arraybolt3> That's a good idea. I just don't want people to have to dig through "apt-cache search" trying to figure out how to fix the bug.
[02:31] <guiverc> me no, I barely speak english (dumb aussie), @Leokolb may have the best idea but I don't know
[02:32] <arraybolt3> ok
[02:33] <guiverc> there are other team members who speak/use multiple languages too.. they might now too
[02:33] <arraybolt3> OK. I only speak English, you should see me trying to navigate German Lubuntu... they scrambled the keyboard!
[02:36] <arraybolt3> Thanks for your help!
[02:44] <arraybolt3> Great, Lubuntu Discourse just went down, so I guess I'll have to write the manual later...
[02:45] <arraybolt3> s/write the manual later.../post the manual later.../
[02:45] <guiverc> teward gave warning of that earlier ^     10:44 my local time
 It is getting updates applied.
[02:46] <teward> yeah updates area  pain
[02:46] <teward> but they're overdue so
[02:46] <guiverc> but sorry arraybolt3 :(
[02:46] <arraybolt3> Ah, didn't get that notice. Thanks for letting me know!
[02:47] <guiverc> notice was ~two hours ago
[02:48] <arraybolt3> Yeah, looking at IRC logs, there it is, but I logged into IRC too late. At least I've got a dedicated client now rather than using KiwiIRC, which kept disconnecting every way too often
[02:50] <teward> yeah sorry about it it took 2 hours for me to finish getting updates on it
[02:50] <teward> it's also a bare metal box so when the host system reboots, it takes a *while* to reboot
[02:50] <teward> (all the individual sites, etc. are containerized within there)
[02:51] <arraybolt3> Ah, that's fine. If anyone knows the importance of security updates, it's me, who's been hacked not once, but possibly twice thanks to outdated systems
[02:55] <teward> heheh.  my job is Network and INfo Security so i mean
[02:55] <teward> security is my thing :p
[02:57] <arraybolt3> Cool!
[02:58] <guiverc> teward is also a collector of hats, so you'll see him in many ubuntu/debian places...
[02:58] <teward> do you want me to list my hats guiverc?  lol
[02:59] <teward> guiverc is not wrong, I have Many Hats(TM)
[02:59] <guiverc> no thanks, you'll just make me jealous !
[03:00] <arraybolt3> Kinda weird to have jumped in with a silly question about documentation writing two days ago, and now be knee-deep in Lubuntu development and talking to the main admins. It's fun!
[03:02] <guiverc> :)
[03:04] <teward> ALRIGHT guiverc  you made me do it
[03:05] <teward> guiverc: Ubuntu Community Council; Ubuntu Server Team; Ubuntu Developer Membership Board; Lubuntu Council, Lubuntu Developer; Debian Maintainer (for a handful of packages - primary/sole maintainer of: xca, vmfs6-tools; comaintainer of: nginx, pv.
[03:05] <teward> oh i forgot a few others, like Ask Ubuntu moderator
[03:05] <teward> and Lubuntu sysadmin for all the core Lubuntu infra :p
[03:06] <teward> but i digress
[03:06] <teward> arraybolt3: well, if you hang around #lubuntu-devel you end up talking to those of us in the higher positions.
[03:06] <teward> ... and witness the chaos between a few of us sometimes ;)
[03:08] <arraybolt3> You mean the stuff like with the 50kW lasers? (Yes, I monitor the IRC logs)
[03:08] <guiverc> :)
[03:08] <teward> yeah that's just me and Simon taking friendly stabs at each other ;)
[03:08] <teward> you'll notice random chaos like that - it's usually my fault 'cause i'm chaotic as heck.  and random.
[03:08] <teward> but as an IT Security guy, well... :P
[03:09] <teward> we're definitely on the chaotic end of the spectrum :P
[03:14] <arraybolt3> I've sorta got myself in chaos mode over here - I'm working with two manuals, chasing down two Lubuntu bugs, and am about to crack open
[03:14] <arraybolt3> a laptop so I can do bare-metal testing for two different reasons...
[07:12] <arraybolt3> guiverc: Well, crud. I finally got everything set up for me to try doing an installation of Lubuntu 22.04 to a USB drive. And... it didn't work. I tried three times, twice with a USB 3.0 drive, once with a USB 2.0 SD card reader. The installer crashed every time. The last time, I saw it crash on unpacking file 369358. This was on a Dell Chromebook 3120.
[07:13] <arraybolt3> I attempted to reproduce the bug in a virt-manager (QEMU/KVM) virtual machine, using a USB disk target with the Removable box checked. However, the install succeeds in the VM with this setup, both with BIOS and UEFI firmware.
[07:14] <guiverc> crash on unpacking file makes me think squashfs errors (ie. errors on installation media)... but it may not be that.. you can always file a bug report so we can have a look
[07:14] <arraybolt3> Also, I can install to the Chromebook's internal storage, so the installer works.
[07:14] <arraybolt3> Can't be a media issue - my ISO check
[07:14] <arraybolt3> my ISO checks clean, and I verified the drive with a bit-by-bit compare before using it.
[07:15] <arraybolt3> The installation drive, I mean.
[07:15] <guiverc> I know what you mean... that's just my reaction
[07:16] <arraybolt3> I do have a Calamares log. I peeked inside it, it doesn't appear to have any failures at the end. The installer just... stops.
[07:16] <guiverc> :(
[07:18] <arraybolt3> OK, guess it's bug filing time. But hey, I've got a bare-metal test system up and running, so that's good, plus I finished writing the LibreOffice localization workaround guide, so whenever Discourse is back up, I can post it!
[07:18] <guiverc> :) & can't wait to read it !
 @teward001 I don't think discourse came back cleanly. It appears to be down still.
[15:32] <kgiii> ^ what @kc2bez said. I got a PM on Linux.org asking what was up with it. I told 'em it'd be back up and running eventually and that I'd mention it. So, it has been mentioned.
 i'll look.  docker is weird (re @kc2bez: @teward001 I don't think discourse came back cleanly. It appears to be down still.)
 FT job comes first tho
[18:25] <arraybolt3> Ack, Discourse is still down, and so are parts of Phabricator (unless it's just that I don't have an account yet and so it won't let me see inside the repositories).
 ok well that was painful
 arraybolt3: not all repos are visible unless you have an account, that's By Design
 as for Discourse, I had to rebuild the entire container.  No data was lost, but it was painful
[18:40] <arraybolt3> teward: I'm guessing the Calamares configuration is one of the non-visible repos?
 No it should be visible.
[18:41] <arraybolt3> It's not. I'm getting a 502 Bad Gateway error trying to view it.
 I have an account and I can see anything in the webview either
 ffs
 i hate phab
 can't disagree
 *shoves an EMP into the phab container*
 i need to get gitlab launched here
 then get forced labor volunteers to start migrating repositories and project divisions over
 try phab now
 see if it works again
[18:44] <arraybolt3> Testing...
 or if it errors (and use F12 dev console to take a look)
 (and see what errors if any you see other than 500)
[18:44] <arraybolt3> EMP blew up
[18:44] <arraybolt3> Still can't view Calamares settings
 Uncaught (in promise) Error: The message port closed before a response was received.
[18:44] <arraybolt3> OK, I'll try F12
[18:45] <arraybolt3> 502 bad gatewat
[18:45] <teward> grrrrrrrrr
 Calamares and Cala-settings are on launchpad anyway and just mirrored to phab
[18:45] <arraybolt3> And I don't have an F12 key cause Im on chromeos
[18:45] <arraybolt3> OK, good to know
 Actually everything is mirrored to github too.
[18:46] <arraybolt3> got dev console loaded, nothing special on 502 page
[18:46] <arraybolt3> kc2bez: :thumb
[18:46] <arraybolt3> kc2bez: :thumbs-up:
 fatal: unsafe repository ('/var/repo/2' is owned by someone else)  <— for pretty much every repo
[18:47] <arraybolt3> Turns out clicking in Weechat sends the message instantly...
 well... this sucks
 time for us to move :P
 can one of you link me to an example page where you get this
 Awesome
 yes
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-artwork/
 Our GitHub in case someone is looking for it. https://github.com/lubuntu-team
 @kc2bez problem 1 fixed.  the problem is that backend is returning the error logs
 and I have no idea how to fix *that* error message take a look
 Yeah, that is a new level of chaos I've not seen before.
 and there's no documentation that I can find there so
 ooooooooooooo
 > Git recently pushed a change in response to a cve that causes git commands to fail if the parent directory changes ownership from the current directory. You may see errors like
 ah
 and that's not something I can... easily fix I don't think
 *checks apt*
[19:02] <arraybolt3> @kc2bez Thanks for the GitHub link!
 sure thing
 @kc2bez i'm very likely to make this work again but then make it so it's not writable anymore - readonly
 so we can start migrating OFF of phab
 but first i have to downgrade git
 >.>
 That makes sense.
 i'm going to get a gitlab running in a container so i can start prepping.
 we'll figure out issue tracking later
 repo stuff is more important at the moment
 Agreed
 git executable revert complete
 phab won't ever have a fix for this so
 It looks like the tasks are still there and working anyway
 same with the wiki
 well the won't anymore...
 *just chmod 555'd all the repo dirs*
 understood. As long as we can read them.
 well i unddid that to let tasks run
 but i'm going to 555 them once i get gitlab launched
[19:08] <arraybolt3> Make snapshots first!
 of what?
 git?
 containers?
 the containers are LXD system containers
 each acts as its own system
 'snapshots' doesn't help there ;)
[19:09] <arraybolt3> Sorry if that was silly - I've shredded so many VMs in the past, and I thought maybe containers had a failsafe like QEMU snapshots...
[19:09] <arraybolt3> I'll stay out of it, you know what you're doing
 hehe nah no worries
 these aren't VMs where things asplode
 and i know my way around chmod ;)
[19:10] <arraybolt3> :thumbs-up:
 the problem is /var/repo/* (for phabricator) isnt owned by www-data
 and the new git CVE that was fixed fixed that problem by saying 'unsafe directory'
 but even whne changed for pHP to use 'safe dirs' it didn't work so i had no choice but tor evert
 i'm tempted to use gitea which is lighter than gitlab for repos...
 we can always go to gitlab later...
 not opposed
 I like GitTea too
 *installs PostgreSQL backend for GitTea*
 sqlite is meh
 Agree
 the only thing i don't like about our bare metal is because the disks arent ssds there's extra latency
 it's still responsive enough for what we need
 just.. a little slower
 (it's twice the price for SSDs)
 It works for us.
[19:38] <arraybolt3> Hey, guys, I think I just figured out how to fix the LibreOffice locale issue in Calamares.
[19:39] <arraybolt3> In calamares-settings-ubuntu/lubuntu/modules/packages.conf, I think we can just add "libreoffice-l10n-$LOCALE" in the "try_install" section.
 For some reason i think that fails to install EN though. It is worth a try. We need to redo a bunch of the calamares modules along with an updated version of calamares once kinetic opens up.
[19:44] <arraybolt3> Argh... so basically it causes an installer crash even though nothing went particularly wrong?
 In your testing?
[19:45] <arraybolt3> I don't know how to tweak these things to test this sort of stuff...
[19:45] <arraybolt3> I was asking if that was something that you had experienced.
[19:46] <arraybolt3> Sorry, I'm really new to this whole thing.
 No it doesn't fail, it just doesn't install anything if you are in the EN locale. I could be wrong though and it warrants testing.
 So you can test this on a live iso.
 the configuration files are in `/etc/calamares/
 If you edit them in the live session you can attempt an install.
[19:50] <arraybolt3> Nice. Thank you! I'll dig around and see how it works! (It shouldn't require anything to be installed in the EN locale, since EN is default AFAIK, and we're able to do "libreoffice-help-$LOCALE" just fine, I think.)
 Sounds good
 The calamares section on this page can help you find the logs: https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/debugging/
[19:51] <arraybolt3> Nice.
[20:08] <arraybolt3> Hmm, just tested it out, and it appears that not only does atting "libreoffice-l10n-$LOCALE
[20:08] <arraybolt3>  not fix the problem,
[20:08] <arraybolt3> but additionally, "libreoffice-help-$LOCALE" isn't working, either.
[20:09] <arraybolt3> s/atting/adding
[22:07] <arraybolt3> @guiverc The LibreOffice localization workaround guide is finished and posted on Discourse in the Development section. I also did a massive amount of debugging on Calamares trying to fix the root of the problem, and have some ideas on what might be going wrong.
 So, not even going to lie to you guys, I spent about 6 hours on that btrfs bug last night and I'm stumped. Trying with a fresh coffee brain today, I'm hoping Manjaro fails with the same error so it's not an Ubuntu-only issue, but since stock Ubuntu 22.04 works and forward-porting 21.10's kpmcore (and rebuilding cala against it) doesn't work
[22:11] <guiverc> :) arraybolt3, the devs will understand it better than me (non-dev)
[22:11] <arraybolt3> oh ok
 @lynorian: see workaround guide above, perhaps worth looping into the manual? Unless there's a fix inbound
 It broke my brain too. (re @tsimonq2: So, not even going to lie to you guys, I spent about 6 hours on that btrfs bug last night and I'm stumped. Trying with a fresh coffee brain today, I'm hoping Manjaro fails with the same error so it's not an Ubuntu-only issue, but since stock Ubuntu 22.04 works and forward-porting 21.10's kpmcore (and rebuilding cala against it) doesn't work)
 arraybolt: Thanks! Much appreciated :)
[22:12] <arraybolt3> :)
 yeah it's an odd issue isn't it. (re @tsimonq2: So, not even going to lie to you guys, I spent about 6 hours on that btrfs bug last night and I'm stumped. Trying with a fresh coffee brain today, I'm hoping Manjaro fails with the same error so it's not an Ubuntu-only issue, but since stock Ubuntu 22.04 works and forward-porting 21.10's kpmcore (and rebuilding cala against it) doesn't work)
 i gave up trying to wrap the head around it :P
[22:13]  * genii 's ears shoot up at the multiple mentions of coffee
[22:13] <guiverc> arraybolt3, just moved your libreoffice.langauge.post to doco; add <kbd></kbd> tags & made it wiki.  you're a 'basic' user to discourse so may not yet be able to edit it; yell out if you need to any changes; and Thank You !
 fyi @kc2bez email is in to Canonical IS to set up the dns for git.lubuntu.me which will be the gitea
 arraybolt3: Any ideas on bug 1966774?  No pressure/rush but we're stumped and fresh eyes may help :)
 FYI @kc2bez as soon as I find my flash drive with my GPG key, I'll be starting with Calamares and working my way back on updating the stack
[22:15] <arraybolt3> First thought is that "Failed to start Snap daemon" is the same error we're getting with DVD boot on slow computers https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/bug-failed-snap-daemon-in-lubuntu-22-04-lts-no-firefox-help-please/3246/37
[22:15] <arraybolt3> Not sure if the two are related, though.
 I'm going to try editing the cala settings to purge snapd then and see if it works :P
 Sounds fair. We got very behind on that so it is a good possibility. (re @tsimonq2: FYI @kc2bez as soon as I find my flash drive with my GPG key, I'll be starting with Calamares and working my way back on updating the stack)
 That's been my sneaking suspicion but there hasn't been enough evidence to back it
 I mean, updating the packaging in this case may be nearly a no-op (re @kc2bez: Sounds fair. We got very behind on that so it is a good possibility.)
[22:17] <arraybolt3> I'll try
[22:17] <arraybolt3> a BTRFS install just so I can get a better idea of what's happening.
 Sounds good, thank you!
[22:23] <arraybolt3> Out of curiosity, has anyone tried installing to EXT4, then cloning the filesystem to BTRFS, setting up the bootloader and trying to boot that? That might tell us whether it's a Calamares problem or a problem with the rest of Lubuntu.
[22:23] <arraybolt3> I'mma try it if no one else has.
 It acts like a permissions sort of issue since I can mount the file system Calamares creates from a live image. Navigating it looks normal.
 I created a separate boot if I remember correctly.
[22:29] <arraybolt3> I can get into a BTRFS system by booting recovery mode and dropping to a root shell. I did notice various errors occurring during boot, but they went by way too fast to see.
[22:30] <tsimonq2> ohhhhhh yeah?
[22:30] <tsimonq2> That was also going to be my next step, although I was tired last night :)
[22:30] <tsimonq2> The various errors may be documented in that bug. Perhaps see if they seem familiar?
[22:31] <arraybolt3> I'll try booting a BTRFS system in painfully slow pure QEMU and screen record the session. That ought to catch the errors.
[22:31] <tsimonq2> Either way, trying with the snapd purge now and if that doesn't work I'll drop to recovery and start reading logs
[22:31] <arraybolt3> Right now I'm doing an ext4 install that I'm going to clone to BTRFS to see what happens.
[22:33] <tsimonq2> Sounds good, thanks
[22:45] <tsimonq2> Okay, so take a peek, if it'll share the image...
[22:45]  * tsimonq2 uploaded an image: (11KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/linuxdelta.com/LgfUVDwZwETmKaqVOYgcqyLk/image.png >
 Weird. Why can't it mount that?
[22:47] <tsimonq2> After remounting with the correct permissions, all of the services start with no issue.
[22:47] <tsimonq2> Let me take a peek at an fstab from a freshly-installed 21.10 system...
[22:48] <arraybolt3> ?!
[22:49] <arraybolt3> Clone in progress, we'll see what happens.
 *shoves more lxde into tsimonq2's hands*
[22:50]  * tsimonq2 throws @teward001 into a pit of broken GTK 1 applications
 tsimonq2: too late, i'm already there, we call it /dev/urandom
 We'll get that GTK polished up.
[22:50] <arraybolt3> teward: How does LXDE have anything to do with BTRFS? lol
[22:51] <teward> arraybolt3: remember what i said about 'random chaos'?
[22:51] <teward> that's just me and Simon greeting each other regularly xD
[22:51] <arraybolt3> Yep.
[22:51] <tsimonq2> (it doesn't, we just poke each other from time to time, have been for years :P)
[22:51] <teward> yep we just poke at each other to have fun :)
[22:51]  * tsimonq2 throws @teward001 into the grand canyon
[22:51] <teward> yes it divulges a little from things here and channel topic, but for some of us it keeps it light and friendly and chaotic xD
[22:52]  * teward drags tsimonq2 with him into the fiery pits of /dev/hell
[22:52] <teward> diverges*
[22:52] <teward> stupid autocorrect
[22:52] <teward> *yawns and goes back to testing Lubuntu 22.04 in the VM*
[22:52] <arraybolt3> You mean auto-incorrect.
 ACCURATE
 oops caps
[22:52] <guiverc> :)
[22:52] <tsimonq2> $ apt-file find /dev/hell
[22:52] <tsimonq2> systemd: /dev/hell
[22:52] <tsimonq2> :P
[22:54] <kc2bez[m]> I think arraybolt3 's clone ide should work. The permissions will likely come out correct.
[22:54]  * tsimonq2 uploaded an image: (56KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/linuxdelta.com/kcZMHSqZPZYbTBlfUptcaCuS/image.png >
[22:54] <arraybolt3> Here's hoping. I finished the clone, now I probably just need to reboot. I'll probably end up fighting with GRUB, but we'll see.
[22:56] <arraybolt3> Yep, fighting with GRUB. :(
[22:56] <tsimonq2> The fstab is the same on both systems :(
[22:57] <kc2bez[m]> Yeah, that doesn't help.
[22:58] <tsimonq2> hold on
[22:58] <tsimonq2> what if I try a clean 22.10 install and upgrade to 22.04?
[22:58] <arraybolt3> Failed to activate swapfile?
[22:58] <arraybolt3> I'm booting the newly cloned system and just saw that error.
[22:58] <tsimonq2> ohhhhhh yeah?
[22:59] <tsimonq2> okay let's try that first...
[22:59] <arraybolt3> Failed to start Remount Root and Kernel File Systems. Failed to activate swap.
[23:00] <arraybolt3> And now Linux can't seem to find the EFI partition. I just got dropped to an emergency console.
[23:00] <arraybolt3> Hold on, I gotta stop for a bit
[23:01] <tsimonq2> All good, I'll be carrying on
[23:01] <tsimonq2> I appreciate your help :)
[23:05] <arraybolt3> OK did I miss anything?
[23:06] <kc2bez[m]> Nope
[23:06] <arraybolt3> Gookd.
[23:06] <arraybolt3> ARGH! Good.
[23:07] <tsimonq2> Argh. Removing swap entries from fstab doesn't work
[23:07] <tsimonq2> Trying the upgrade... if it's successful, then it's still an installer problem, if it's unsuccessful it means it's an underlying system issue
[23:07] <arraybolt3> I don't get it. It's like it's having trouble mounting stuff, even though systemd is on and doing stuff, so obviously it's able to access the disk.
[23:08] <arraybolt3> Hey, since you had a problem with remount in the emergency shell, I'm wondering if this is an initramfs problem?
[23:09] <tsimonq2> hmm, maybe
[23:09] <arraybolt3> I remember Puppy Linux will install to /dev/vda, but then not be able to boot because the initramfs is missing drivers. It has to be installed to /dev/sda to work.
[23:10] <tsimonq2> The only issue with that precisely is it happens on real hardware
[23:10] <arraybolt3> Does anyone know if plain Ubuntu 22.04 can BTRFS install correctly?
[23:10] <tsimonq2> Yeah, tried it earlier. Works fine
[23:10] <tsimonq2> Which is making me think this upgrade will be successful
[23:10] <arraybolt3> Crud. That seems to rule out an initramfs problem, since I believe Ubuntu and Lubuntu use the same initramfs. Your upgrade idea is good.
[23:11] <tsimonq2> In the meantime, I'm also grabbing a Manjaro ISO to rule out those versions of things.
[23:12] <arraybolt3> 👍
[23:21] <arraybolt3> Maybe I did the clone wrong? I'm realizing I cloned the ext4 image to BTRFS using "rsync -avxHAWX --progress ./srcroot/ ./trgroot/". I'm wondering if maybe rsync messed something up, 'cause I'm pretty sure rsync is the tools Calamares uses to clone the squashfs
[23:21] <arraybolt3> Or maybe I just botched my command...
[23:28] <kc2bez[m]> In theory you could just convert the filesystem to btrfs with btrfs-convert.
[23:29] <arraybolt3> Another idea I just had was to chmod 777 root. If there's a permissions problem anywhere, that ought to clear it up (or whatever, you know what I'm trying to say)
[23:29] <arraybolt3> @kc2bez Good idea!
[23:38] <arraybolt3> Hey, look what I just found: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=178329
[23:39] <arraybolt3> Ah, found my problem. My clone trick didn't work because it's still looking for an ext4 partition, and it's probably looking for the wrong UUID. Let's see if I can get it to boot now.
[23:44] <arraybolt3> Making progress, got the remount errors to go away.  With BTRFS.
[23:48] <arraybolt3> @tsimonq2 @teward Successful BTRFS boot of Lubuntu 22.04.
[23:51] <teward> cloning ext4 -> btrfs you mean
[23:51] <arraybolt3> Yes.
[23:52] <teward> what we need to replicate is cala installing to / exploding and then not working after the fact, I think, but IDK how to replicate at this second (err:busy)
[23:52] <arraybolt3> I cloned ext4 to btrfs, cloned the EFI partition, and fixed fstab. I had to enter the boot code into GRUB manually, but it worked.
[23:54] <arraybolt3> I'm going to try doing a regular BTRFS install (the kind that explodes), and see if there's any tweaks that will fix it.
[23:54] <kc2bez[m]> That makes me think the clone process that cala implements is to blame.