[00:00] <stormchaser3000> i have used 15.04
[00:00] <stormchaser3000> but i find 15.04 verry buiggy sometimes
[00:00] <stormchaser3000> (i am using 15.04)
[00:00] <Taggnostr4> Now kscreenloc is eating CPU
[00:00] <rosco_y> When I drag an application's window from one panel to another, it wants to get stuck in between the two panels.  Does anyone know of a tweak to make it easy to drag things back and forth between the panels?
[00:01] <tuv0k> Taggnostr4: you get logged in?
[00:01] <Taggnostr4> No
[00:01] <Taggnostr4> It gets stuck on the loading window just after the login
[00:01] <tuv0k> are you using nouvea or nvidias binary?
[00:02] <Taggnostr4> With failsafe it just becomes black for a few seconds and kicks me back to the login screen
[00:02] <Taggnostr4> I have nvidia, maybe also their drivers
[00:02] <Taggnostr4> How can I check?
[00:04] <tuv0k> lspci -v
[00:05] <Taggnostr4> I see some nvidia stuff in the output
[00:06] <Taggnostr4> VGA compatible controller: nvidia corporation
[00:07] <tuv0k> sudo dpkg --get-selections | grep nvidia
[00:08] <Taggnostr4> I see 8 results
[00:09] <Taggnostr4> 5 with install, 3 with deinstall
[00:11] <Taggnostr4> tuv0k, should I remove/uninstall them?
[00:11] <tuv0k> try that
[00:12] <Taggnostr4> Using apt-get remove?
[00:12] <tuv0k> yup
[00:14] <stormchaser3000> nvidia is a pain the rear
[00:15] <Taggnostr4> Now I don't even get to the login screen...
[00:16] <tuv0k> reinstall
[00:17] <Taggnostr4> The nvidia drivers?
[00:18] <darthanubis> yes
[00:18] <darthanubis> muon is terrible
[00:19] <Taggnostr4> The terminal looks better without nvidia drivers :)
[00:24] <Taggnostr4> Got the login screen
[00:25] <Taggnostr4> Still stuck at the loading screen
[00:25] <Taggnostr4> Are there non nvidia drivers that I can use instead?
[00:26] <darthanubis> nouveau
[00:26] <darthanubis> but they were supposed to work once the nvidia ones were removed
[00:26] <Taggnostr4> I saw that in some error message earlier
[00:27] <Taggnostr4> What is the difference between all the nvidia drivers I see from apt?
[00:28] <Taggnostr4>  I had nvidia-304, but I also see 310, 319, 331 etc
[00:30] <darthanubis> you want the newest one
[00:30] <darthanubis> 331
[00:30] <Taggnostr4> OK
[00:41] <Taggnostr4> The most recent seems to be 346
[00:41] <Taggnostr4> I'm installing that now
[00:41] <gunndawg> confirmed 346
[00:46] <|aaron> just upgraded from 14.10 to 1504. is there any way to restore my old kde configuration? i backed up my ~/.kde before upgrade but restoring seems to have zero effect
[00:49] <gunndawg> |aaron: as far as I know your KDE settings will not carry over
[00:51] <Taggnostr4> Even with 346 I get no login screen
[00:51] <Taggnostr4> The good thing is that no one is eating CPU now
[00:52] <|aaron> gunndawg: thanks i can just reconfigure them i guess
[00:52] <Taggnostr4> Anything else I could try?
[01:10] <Taggnostr4> With nouveau I get nouveau failed to idle channel
[01:11] <Taggnostr4> Also GPU lockup switching to fbcon
[01:17] <wheelzzz> hey just wondering do i need to re install to get latest 15.04 or can i just upgrade i did sudo apt-get dist-upgrade no lux
[01:22] <wheelzzz> never mind durr list latest version already updated i guess
[01:30] <Wireless> Is there a way to not check for automatic updates with muon?
[01:32] <Taggnostr4> I managed to login and it's still all black, but I got some windows to pop up
[01:32] <Taggnostr4> The windows have no windows decorations
[01:35] <Taggnostr4> I got access to the settings page, any thing I try from there?
[01:45] <Taggnostr4> How can I revert back to 14.10?
[01:46] <Unit193> You can only re-install.
[01:46] <Taggnostr4> How?
[01:47] <Unit193> I'd also go with 14.04, the LTS.  You grab the ISO, install.
[01:47] <Taggnostr4> I can't make 15.04 work
[01:48] <Taggnostr4> Do I need to reformat everything?
[01:48] <Unit193> I believe there is a way to keep /home, but you can't "downgrade"
[01:48] <Taggnostr4> :/
[01:48] <QuantumCAT5Cable> Hey Tagg, whats the problem? I had something similar from the sounds of it
[01:49] <QuantumCAT5Cable> and I managed to fix it.
[01:49] <QuantumCAT5Cable> or at least put a bandaid on it.
[01:49] <Taggnostr4> I get to the login screen, I login then either it's all black, or it gets stuck to the loading screen
[01:50] <QuantumCAT5Cable> Has it ever worked?
[01:50] <Taggnostr4> I had 14.10 before and had no problems
[01:50] <Taggnostr4> I have nvidia graphics
[01:51] <Taggnostr4> Spent 3 hours trying different combinations of drivers to no avail
[01:52] <QuantumCAT5Cable> Have you tried restarting X in a virtual terminal? Always seems to be a first step in comp stuff. "Have you tried turning it back on and off?"
[01:52] <Taggnostr4> How do I restart it?
[01:53] <Taggnostr4> kwin_x11 is eating all the CPU btw
[01:54] <QuantumCAT5Cable> So in full disclosure, I'm actually just a noob right, but I did fix a similar problem. So when I tell you 'restart' im not entirely sure whether this will actually RESTART. But while you are in the black screen, press ctrl+alt+F1 and stype startx
[01:55] <Taggnostr4> I tried that already, I get to another black screen
[01:55] <Taggnostr4> I can see the cursor but nothing else
[01:56] <gunndawg> anyone know why I have to adjust my openGL vertical sync settings every time I log in to fix screen tearing?
[01:56] <Taggnostr4> So basically the same I get after login
[01:56] <gunndawg> Taggnostr4: I had that problem last night
[01:56] <QuantumCAT5Cable> Have you tried going to the other x-sessions (I think thats the name of them) on the F6-F9?
[01:56] <gunndawg> Taggnostr4: it happened after I added a paramer to fix screen tearing. I had to re install
[01:58] <Taggnostr4> If I kill kwin_x11 go back to f7, and do alt+f1 I get the menu
[01:58] <Taggnostr4> Everything else is still black
[01:58] <QuantumCAT5Cable> Have you tried removing cache?
[01:58] <gunndawg> Taggnostr4: it's as if Plasma is not starting
[01:58] <Taggnostr4> I can open windows from the menu, but they have no borders
[01:59] <QuantumCAT5Cable> so go back in the virtual terminal and type:
[01:59] <QuantumCAT5Cable> sudo service sddm stop
[01:59] <QuantumCAT5Cable> rm -rf ~/.cache
[01:59] <QuantumCAT5Cable> rm ~/.config/kwinrc
[01:59] <QuantumCAT5Cable> then type startx
[02:00] <QuantumCAT5Cable> Is what finnally fixed my issue with the black screen on login
[02:01] <Taggnostr4> Still black :/
[02:01] <QuantumCAT5Cable> Well damn
[02:01] <Taggnostr4> I can try a reboot
[02:01] <gunndawg> anyone know why I have to adjust my openGL vertical sync settings every time I log in to fix screen tearing?
[02:01] <QuantumCAT5Cable> Always worth it I guess Tagg.
[02:02] <Taggnostr4> I think the problem is kwin_x11 getting stuck at 100% CPU
[02:02] <Taggnostr4> Now it started again and nothing works
[02:03] <QuantumCAT5Cable> Well, if it that were truely the case, would you be able to go into a virtual terminal? Because if it was truely 100% then Im not sure it would respond.
[02:03] <QuantumCAT5Cable> But maybe there is some kind of safety net for that.
[02:03] <Taggnostr4> I can, and if I kill it I can see the undecorated windows
[02:06] <QuantumCAT5Cable> Did it ever work on a live USB or have you only tried it on an installation?
[02:06] <Taggnostr4> I upgraded directly from 14.10
[02:07] <Taggnostr4> I'm trying a different nvidia driver
[02:07] <QuantumCAT5Cable> Ah. Try it on a live USB, if it doesn't work there, I would suspsect driver issues. If it works there, but not on the upgrade then I would suspect something went wrong on the upgrade.
[02:07] <QuantumCAT5Cable> Rather than a driver
[02:08] <Taggnostr4> During upgrade I got a prompt that asked me to pick between lightdm and sddm and initially picked lightdm
[02:09] <Taggnostr4> Now I switched to sddm, but maybe something is not set correctly?
[02:09] <QuantumCAT5Cable> I'm unfamilliar with the technicalities behind the display managers. Noob afterall.
[02:10] <Taggnostr4> Do you have a plasma process running?
[02:10] <Taggnostr4> Maybe gunndawg is right
[02:10] <QuantumCAT5Cable> plasmashell
[02:11] <Taggnostr4> I could try to start that
[02:11] <QuantumCAT5Cable> Give it a shot
[02:14] <Taggnostr4> Nope
[02:15] <QuantumCAT5Cable> Well hmm.
[02:17] <QuantumCAT5Cable> ps
[02:17] <QuantumCAT5Cable> woops.
[02:17] <QuantumCAT5Cable> wrong tab.
[02:18] <MrPenguin_> Is there an option to make the kubuntu start menu look like xubuntus with the columns?
[02:19] <Taggnostr4> I wonder if there's a way to disable all the graphic effects
[02:20] <Taggnostr4> gunndawg, I just found an option about tearing prevention
[02:21] <darthanubis> anyone use kamera
[02:22] <darthanubis> the package installs with no binary
[02:22] <darthanubis> come on!
[02:30] <Taggnostr4> Now I can't even access the shell anymore
[02:30] <gunndawg> Taggnostr4: yeah? where at?
[02:30] <darthanubis> just keep home and reinstall fresh
[02:31] <Taggnostr4> gunndawg, try to go in settings and write vertical tearing or vsync at the top right
[02:31] <Taggnostr4> darthanubis, from a live CD?
[02:32] <gunndawg> oh... well thsi is interesting. Opened up Sytem Settings and it errors out saying "System sEttings was unable to find any views, and hence has nothing to display"
[02:33] <gunndawg> Taggnostr4: so I guess I cant even get to settings now :(
[02:34] <Taggnostr4> I can't get anywhere anymore
[02:34] <gunndawg> Taggnostr4: yeah I cant open system settings
[02:34] <QuantumCAT5Cable> Even the virtual terminals?
[02:35] <Taggnostr4> I start the PC, everything is black, no login screen, no virtual terminals, and the CPU is running high
[02:35] <QuantumCAT5Cable> Yep, sounds like fresh reinstall time.
[02:35] <gunndawg> sounds like back to 14.04 for the time being.. heh
[02:35] <Taggnostr4> :/
[02:37] <Taggnostr4> I can get to recovery mode
[02:37] <darthanubis> yes, from a livecd or usb stick
[02:38] <Taggnostr4> If I can get to a shell maybe I can fix something
[02:39] <darthanubis> if anything delete your .kde directory if you want to keep futzing around
[02:39] <darthanubis> but I'd install clean
[02:39] <darthanubis> I just installed clean in 10 mins
[02:39] <darthanubis> but I have a ssd
[02:40] <Taggnostr4> It took me about 4 hours between install and download
[02:40] <darthanubis> I had updated from beta and there was a bug that did not leave until I reinstalled
[02:40] <darthanubis> i was at 14.10, and just tried to upgraded kde
[02:40] <Taggnostr4> And I have to leave for the weekend in a couple of hours
[02:40] <darthanubis> it broke
[02:40] <darthanubis> start your install now
[02:41] <darthanubis> why does it take 4 hours?
[02:41] <darthanubis> download via torrent
[02:41] <Taggnostr4> I have to download again, don't I?
[02:41] <Taggnostr4> I got the login back \o/
[02:41] <darthanubis> you never download it to begin with right?
[02:41] <Taggnostr4> Nope, I did do-release-upgrade
[02:42] <darthanubis> yeah, well get the iso
[02:42] <Taggnostr4> The installation also took a couple of hours
[02:42] <darthanubis> why?
[02:42] <Taggnostr4> Old PC
[02:42] <QuantumCAT5Cable> Did you run into problems? Im not sure it took mine remotely that long, but that was from a liveUSB.
[02:42] <darthanubis> what specs?
[02:43] <darthanubis> i386?
[02:43] <Taggnostr4> Core 2, 2 GB of ram
[02:43] <Taggnostr4> It's from 8-9 years ago
[02:43] <darthanubis> thats plenty
[02:43] <darthanubis> should not take 4 hours
[02:43] <darthanubis> noway
[02:44] <darthanubis> what kind of HD?
[02:44] <Taggnostr4> 2 were from the download
[02:44] <Taggnostr4> The rest from the installation
[02:44] <darthanubis> still, does not take two hours to install
[02:44] <darthanubis> the install process is not that long
[02:44] <Taggnostr4> It could have been 2.5 and 1 for installation
[02:44] <Taggnostr4> Sshd
[02:44] <darthanubis> lol
[02:44] <darthanubis> no way two hours
[02:44] <darthanubis> or an hour
[02:45] <Taggnostr4> I could be wrong
[02:45] <darthanubis> on a ssd
[02:45] <Etriaph> Took me 22 minutes on an SSD.
[02:45] <darthanubis> absolutely
[02:45] <darthanubis> exactly
[02:45] <Etriaph> And I downloaded updates while I did it.
[02:45] <Taggnostr4> At what time I logged in?
[02:45] <darthanubis> don't download the iso directly, download via torent
[02:45] <darthanubis> it'll be faster
[02:46] <Taggnostr4> I will have to find another PC first
[02:46] <darthanubis> what are you using to type this?
[02:47] <Taggnostr4> Phone
[02:48] <darthanubis> yikes
[02:48] <QuantumCAT5Cable> Phone IRC? Ive never thought about that.
[02:48] <darthanubis> queassel-droid
[02:48] <darthanubis> quassel-droid
[02:49] <makuseru> Just wondering if anyone knows a fix for not being able to add programs to the panel in 15.04 now?
[02:50] <Taggnostr4> Is there any way to reinstall/repair from the terminal?
[02:52] <Taggnostr4> If I try to remove nouveau I get an error
[02:52] <darthanubis> Taggnostr4: your upgrade is trashed
[02:52] <darthanubis> makuseru: what do you mean?
[02:52] <darthanubis> not add to the panel? Add in what way?
[02:53] <QuantumCAT5Cable> Taggnostr4: Im checking around, and Im not seeing anything for you to be able to do so from the terminal. I'm with darthanubis, its probably gone, and its better to just reinstall from an ISO.
[02:54] <Taggnostr4> OK
[02:54] <QuantumCAT5Cable> and to be honest, if there is way, its proabbly more effort than its worth. If you make a liveUSB, you can retrieve whatever important files off of there and store it somewhere else.
[02:55] <Taggnostr4> I'm just not sure I have enough time to download it again
[02:55] <QuantumCAT5Cable> Matter of fact, do you still have the ISO for the previous version? Use that to download the new ISO while you're gone.
[02:55] <darthanubis> your wasting time now
[02:56] <darthanubis> it could have been half way done by now
[02:56] <Taggnostr4> I'm leaving for the weekend, so I won't need the PC anyway
[02:56] <Taggnostr4> I will probably try again once I come back
[02:57] <makuseru> darthanubis: In KDE 4 you could add programs from the KMenu to the panel, like firefox, or w/e else. But that feature seems to be missing now.
[03:00] <darthanubis> I just add them as favorites in the menu
[03:00] <darthanubis> rt-click an application in kmenu then select favorite
[03:00] <darthanubis> or alt-f2 and type the name
[03:00] <makuseru> Right, but you use to be able to add them directly to the panel as well, which is much easier to use IMO.
[03:01] <darthanubis> I suppose if you really wanted to, you could add a new panel
[03:01] <rottingdead> Isn't KDE built of all widgets, or no? It's what it seems to me anyway.
[03:01] <darthanubis> nope, you still can do it!
[03:01] <darthanubis> I won't be doing it
[03:02] <darthanubis> but it is as easy as drop and drop
[03:02] <darthanubis> just unlock the panel first
[03:02] <makuseru> Its not as easy as drag and drop.
[03:02] <makuseru> It will not accept that anymore.
[03:03] <darthanubis> I just did it
[03:03] <makuseru> Really? Mine wont allow a drag and drop at all.
[03:03] <makuseru> I figured they just got rid of that feature.
[03:03] <darthanubis> yes
[03:03] <darthanubis> I just grabbed chromium from my favorites, and dragged i tto the panel, and dropped it
[03:03] <makuseru> Huh, might have to try a fresh reinstall instead of this upgrade from 14.10 then, maybe something broke.
[03:04] <darthanubis> it fell near the notification area
[03:04] <darthanubis> doubt it
[03:05] <makuseru> Dont know what the heck is going on then, because theres no way its letting me drag something into the panel.
[03:17] <QuantumCAT5Cable> Im using two monitors, is it possible to have setup a panel to show only the applications on that monitor and have it automatically assign the applications to whatever panel its supposed to be on?
[03:45] <BassFace> I need help please with an issue I'm having with Precise on a powerpc
[04:06] <QualityAddict> Curious as to how many found 15.04 usable... sadly I ran into obvious instability and had to return to 14.10.
[04:07] <darthanubis> using it
[04:13] <QualityAddict> darthanubis: one of the lucky ones I suppose
[04:13] <QualityAddict> I don't consider my hardware and setup anything special
[04:14] <QualityAddict> It certainly runs 14.10 just fine minus sound issues
[04:14] <QualityAddict> Seems it has something to do with the new Plasma look which I love
[04:14] <darthanubis> I only have sometime weird things happen. But I just clean installed, and all is well.
[04:15] <darthanubis> I keep /home and kept on rolling
[04:16] <darthanubis> I'm using plasma 5.3beta which is a little unstable
[04:17] <QualityAddict> With the Plasma as part of 15.04 I would lose the panel, opening apps would freeze, and eventually I get nothing but a black screen and was frozen
[04:18] <QualityAddict> Was worse it seemed if I upgraded to nvidia-current driver
[04:19] <darthanubis> did you upgrade or clean install?
[04:19] <darthanubis> I'm betting you upgraded
[04:20] <QualityAddict> Nope, clean install
[04:20] <darthanubis> wow
[04:20] <QuantumCAT5Cable> Seems to be a theme tonight.
[04:20] <Taggnostr4> Welcome to the club
[04:20] <darthanubis> what kind of machine you have?
[04:21] <darthanubis> I don't know how you guys systems break in such spectacular fashion?
[04:21] <darthanubis> Taggnostr4: you upgraded
[04:21] <QualityAddict> Intel Core i7 3930K 3.20 with 32 GB ram
[04:22] <QualityAddict> and running three monitors
[04:22] <QuantumCAT5Cable> QualityAddict: what are you doing with 32 gigs if you don't mind me asking?
[04:22] <darthanubis> nice
[04:22] <darthanubis> I'm dual monitored no problem
[04:22] <QualityAddict> lmao, surfing the web
[04:22] <QuantumCAT5Cable> lol
[04:22] <QualityAddict> I'm not using it to its potential, that's for sure
[04:23] <darthanubis> plasma crashes when I add widgets to the desktop, but starts back up. I suspect if I rolled back to 5.2 it'd be stable
[04:23] <Headpool182> hello
[04:23] <Headpool182> Anyone have recommendations for system stability software?
[04:23] <Headpool182> planning on overclocking
[04:24] <QualityAddict> how can I tell what graphics card I have installed? I know it's nvidia but want the model
[04:24] <QualityAddict> Tried looking in KInfoCenter but don't see it
[04:25] <Headpool182> are you on a laptop?
[04:25] <QualityAddict> Desktop
[04:25] <Guest31612> You mean like running intelburntest to make sure any instability is caught?
[04:26] <QualityAddict> n/m found it, running a GeForce GTX 660 Ti
[04:27] <Guest31612> Haven't done that in a while, but it give it a pretty good torture test, and will likey be stable if it can survive a long run without crashing.
[04:35] <QualityAddict> rollin' a do-release-upgrade for the heck of it... see what happens lol
[04:37] <darthanubis> plasma 5.3 is wicked unstable
[04:39] <darthanubis> sudo ppa-purge ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta
[06:02] <basse> hi, is it normal that after upgrading to vivid, Dolphin filemanagers about box says it's 14.12.3 with KDE Developent Platform version 4.14.6
[06:03] <basse> as other apps like Kate for example is KDE Frameworks 5.9.0
[06:04] <MoonUnit`> yup it's normal, not everything has been completely ported to kf5 yet
[06:04] <MoonUnit`> http://developer.kde.org/~cfeck/portingstatus.html
[06:04] <basse> alright. thanks! making sure that i didn't mess up the update somehow.
[06:05] <basse> my problem is that these not ported apps don't seem to respect all theme colors. dolphin has pure white font in menues and i dont seem to be able to change that anywhere..
[06:05] <basse> ?
[06:14] <ShadowHatesYou> Anyone know what the name of the font used by Konsole was in Plasma 4? I just updated to Plasma 5 and it stomped all over my settings, I can barely read my terminals now
[06:16] <ShadowHatesYou> NM, found it. Dejavu
[06:16] <ShadowHatesYou> <3
[06:36] <madeti> how to remove kwallet in plasma 5, kubuntu 15.04
[06:36] <madeti> or how to disable it?
[06:38] <donnie> madeti: it save your password. Why do you want to remove it? You can just set an empty password and it will stop bothering you.
[06:39] <madeti> donnie: it's just annoying
[06:46] <madeti> donnie: I have set an empty password, now when I am connecting to a  wifi, it says "authorization supplicant timed out"
[06:56] <madeti> nvm sorted it out
[07:31] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:31] <Graf_Westerholt> Oi lordievader
[07:32] <MoonUnit`> morning
[07:32] <lordievader> Hey Graf_Westerholt, MoonUnit`
[09:07] <lordievader> !info plasma-desktop
[09:36] <hyperion87> Hi! I just installed Kubuntu 15.04. After sleep/screen-standby the login prompt appears. How can this switched off? The old checkbox (Power management > advanced > lock screen after resume) is not available anymore.
[09:46] <MoonUnit`> hyperion87: it's in settings/desktop behaviour/screen locking.
[09:47] <hyperion87> MoonUnit`: Thanks, found it! :)
[09:48] <MoonUnit`> wasn't obvious for me either
[09:57] <naftilos76> Hi i am trying Kubuntu 15.04 live dvd 64bit but, as lots of people have encountered, i get a blank display after some time. It is obviously a graphics card issue. My Graphics card is a GeForce 9600 GT which is old i know. I tried selecting nomodeset and no acpi modes but i get the same blank display. Does anybody have anything to suggest?
[09:59] <PossibleInstallb> Hi all, sorry to barge in. I may have a bug in the install medium and wanted to check this before reporting it
[10:00] <PossibleInstallb> The grub-install fails because a directory /boot/grub/i386 is missing from the installation medium, on the 64-bit version.
[10:00] <PossibleInstallb> can anyone confirm or deny?
[10:02] <MoonUnit`> i haven't had that problem
[10:09] <PossibleInstallb> it is the 64 bit version
[10:09] <PossibleInstallb> and it installs on a non-efi system
[10:09] <PossibleInstallb> basically when I boot from the installer-usb, the directory /boot/grub does not contain a dir 'i386' (or any other subdirs).
[10:10] <PossibleInstallb> I found the subdir somewhere on the drive, copied it to /boot/grub and then I got another error: Cannot find cannonical name for /cow .
[10:11] <PossibleInstallb> It is so strange, it seems completely untested while this step is completely essential for any installation.   Weird.
[10:11] <MoonUnit`> do you have multiple drives?
[10:12] <PossibleInstallb> one drive, trying to install to /sda
[10:13] <PossibleInstallb> ok, it has a windows partition but the error stems from a non-existing directory
[10:13] <PossibleInstallb> that is what I find when I run 'grub-install'  manually:  '/boot/grub/i386' directory not found
[10:16] <PossibleInstallb> I am going to try the ubuntu-64 bit version in a couple of minutes, see if it has the same bug
[10:16] <PossibleInstallb> perhaps it is because I install 64-bit on a pre-EFI system?  I don't know
[10:17] <MoonUnit`> non efi would be easier to install on i would think, mine install is x64 and bios.
[10:19] <PossibleInstallb> I have the same then, 64 and bois
[10:19] <PossibleInstallb> bios
[10:31] <PossibleInstallb> He!  Installation just succeeded!
[10:31] <PossibleInstallb> I was installing it with a btrfs root-partition.  This time I had the same but added a small  ext4 /boot partition
[10:32] <PossibleInstallb> I am going to reboot, bye!
[10:32] <PossibleInstallb> so it may have been trying to install a btrfs-system.
[10:37] <murthy> need an onscreen keyboard
[10:56] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:56] <MoonUnit`> hi
[11:00] <naftilos76> Hi i am trying Kubuntu 15.04 live dvd 64bit but, as lots of people have encountered, i get a blank display after some time. It is obviously a graphics card issue. My Graphics card is a GeForce 9600 GT which is old i know. I tried selecting nomodeset and no acpi modes but i get the same blank display. I tried adding in the options before 'quite splash' one of the following: video=vga16fb:off , vga16fb.modeset=0 , nouveau.modeset=0 , nvidia.modeset=0 ,
[11:00] <naftilos76> nouveau.blacklist=1 and nomodeset after 'quite splash'. Nothing worked. Does anybody have anything to suggest?
[11:02] <BluesKaj> naftilos76, yes, install nvidia-340  atht the TTY/VT
[11:03] <BluesKaj> atht=at
[11:04] <naftilos76> BluesKaj: I am trying to install kubuntu now. I have not installed it. The problem appears while booting from the live dvd.
[11:05] <BluesKaj> naftilos76, which Kubuntu version do you have instlled on the HDD , if any ?
[11:06] <Mike_S> hi @all
[11:06] <MoonUnit`> does adding vesa from grub edit still work these days?
[11:06] <naftilos76> I am currently using Debian 7 (kubuntu)
[11:06] <MoonUnit`> i had to do that when i had nvidia cards
[11:06] <naftilos76> and kubuntu 14.04 in my laptop
[11:07] <naftilos76> both installed fine with no blank screens
[11:07] <naftilos76> and both have nvidia Graphics cards
[11:08] <BluesKaj> naftilos76, did you check md5sum of the dvd image?, I have to ask
[11:09] <Mike_S> anyone here also having probs upgrading to 15.04 from 14.10? on my laptop the online-upgrade stopped at 92%. nothing more to do than reboot what ended in blinking leds (kernel panic?).  on my workstation it stays at 64% and there happens nothing anymore?!
[11:09] <murthy> BluesKaj: need an onscreen keyboard
[11:10] <naftilos76> No i did not. I seriously doubt that is the culprit. We are talking about an issue that has been around in the recent releases of 14.10 & 15.04 all tried out in both my desktop
[11:12] <BluesKaj> naftilos76, this may be a radical suggestion , but have you considered switching your graphics in the bios back to the onboard temporarily just for installation purposes?
[11:13] <murthy> BluesKaj: wont work
[11:13] <naftilos76> There is no on-board Graphics card. Good thought but not applicable in my case. :-)
[11:13] <murthy> BluesKaj: the card needs to be removed
[11:14] <naftilos76> I just don't get. Is it so difficult to support Graphics cards 5-years old?
[11:14] <murthy> BluesKaj: can you suggest me an onscreen keyboard?
[11:14] <murthy> naftilos76: you should really ask this question to the nvidia people
[11:15] <naftilos76> probably! :-)
[11:15] <BluesKaj> naftilos76, you must havew an onboard gpu that resides on the motherboard ...it worked for me on an old pc with a nvidia 7600GT card with 12.04 install.
[11:17] <BluesKaj> murthy, some BIOSs have a switchable graphics option
[11:17] <chencho9000> hi there
[11:17] <chencho9000> Im having trouble with the display driver
[11:17] <naftilos76> BluesKaj: I was sure my MB did not have an onboard graphics card. I just confirm this is the case.
[11:18] <BluesKaj> on older machines , murthy
[11:18] <naftilos76> ... I just confirmed this is the case.
[11:18] <chencho9000> driver admin dont show installed driver
[11:18] <BluesKaj> naftilos76, not a card but a gpu , how else would it display to a monitor
[11:19] <murthy> BluesKaj: I do have that option, but I think we have to switch the vga cable to the onboad gpu output atleast
[11:20] <BluesKaj> murthy, well yeah, that's kind of understood is it not?
[11:20] <naftilos76> BluesKaj: I am aware how an onboard GPU would look. It would need a VGA output or another port right? Well, there are no ports for a display except for the nvidia card i have installed!
[11:21] <murthy> BluesKaj: i had this night mare of swithching graphics driver, when I didn't know how to handle the nvidia binary driver issues
[11:21] <BluesKaj> you must have a vga display on the mobo
[11:23] <chencho9000> how can I know the driver installed
[11:23] <BluesKaj> ok nm , I'm not going any further with this , I wanted to make an alternate suggestion that's all , but I guess it's too difficult for you naftilos76
[11:24] <naftilos76> BluesKaj: Seriously? I do not have an onboard GPU on my MB. I would have known if i had one.
[11:24] <naftilos76> What is so difficult for me? To accept that i have a GPU on my MB when i don't?
[11:24] <BluesKaj> naftilos76, when you received the the computer did it come with the nvidia pci 9600?
[11:25] <naftilos76> yep
[11:25] <naftilos76> it was assembled and sent to me
[11:25] <BluesKaj> it's a pci card?
[11:26] <naftilos76> i mean the tower box containing the mb, graphics cards , dvd-writer, power supply etc
[11:26] <naftilos76> What is so strange about it?
[11:27] <naftilos76> Isn't that the way shops sell products?
[11:27] <BluesKaj> or is IT the onboard gpu ?
[11:27] <BluesKaj> most shops don't sell computers with added PCI graphics cards
[11:28] <Zerkalerka> Just installed kubuntu for the first time, very beautiful.. only distro that works 840m nvidia out of box
[11:28] <naftilos76> BluesKaj: Do not inisist on the onboard GPU crap. The graphics card is a Nvidia Geforce GT9600 installed in a pcix port on a normal MB sold by normal shops bought by normal people!!!
[11:29] <chencho9000> Zerkalerka: did you have probles identifying graphic driver?
[11:29] <chencho9000> probles=problems
[11:29] <fatnic> Anyone managed to get Dropbox working with Ubuntu 15.04?
[11:30] <MoonUnit`> dropbox working fine for me.
[11:30] <MoonUnit`> have to install a tray app to see the dropbox tray icon though.
[11:31] <naftilos76> BluesKaj: thanks for your time man
[11:31] <naftilos76> i have to go
[11:31] <Zerkalerka> chencho9000: No, when I select it to install recommeneded nvidia driver it just works.  Ubuntu, Lubuntu, and Arch all give me black screen when I have 2nd monitor plugged in... kubuntu.. just works :)
[11:32] <BluesKaj> ok naftilos76, it's very unusual to have no onboard gpu, that's all .
[11:32] <naftilos76> :-)
[11:32] <MoonUnit`> my i7 doesn't have onboard gpu
[11:34] <BluesKaj> MoonUnit`, we're dealing with an older pc here, which to my knowledge all cane with gpus...I had 5 pcs over the yrs they all had them
[11:37] <yossarianuk>  hi - I am running Plasma 5.2 (kubuntu 15.04) - I have nvidia, I have 2 issues
[11:37] <yossarianuk>  Issue 1:  After installing Nvidia driver DPI is set to 102X102 - it makes the title bars on the windows look far too big and chunky (child like )- I need to set the DPI to 96x96 and the kwin windows looks normal again
[11:37] <yossarianuk>  It is best to force the fonts using system-settings -> fonts or is it best to define the DPI in the device section of xorg.conf ?
[11:39] <yossarianuk>  Issue 2 : screen tearing / jittery graphics -> I have heard enable triple buffering can help - how can I tell if its enabled or not?
[11:39] <PhilippeP> yossarianuk: I did it in Fonts and it works like a charm
[11:40] <yossarianuk> PhilippeP: cheers - it was more which way would be more effective - i.e if I add to xorg.conf is that done in a hardware way (as opposed to KDE / Software way?)
[11:41] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, suggest you check systemsettings>display&monitor>display config>DVI, there should be a resolution slider
[11:41] <BluesKaj> then the system fonts
[11:41] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: cheers
[11:42] <yossarianuk> enabling it in fonts or xorg.conf does the trick,my question really was what is the better way...
[11:42] <yossarianuk> regarding triple buffering though - how to tell if enabled?
[11:43] <yossarianuk> I know I can add to xorg.conf or use a env variable 'export KWIN_TRIPLE_BUFFER=1'
[11:43] <BluesKaj> well, I never had the reolution problem so it's hard to know which method should be used first
[11:44] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: its not resolution issues - that is fine
[11:44] <Zerkalerka> where is locale located again? /etc/??/locale
[11:44] <yossarianuk> its jerky/ screen tearing.
[11:45] <MoonUnit`> yossarianuk: tried tinkering with tearing preventions settings in compositor?
[11:46] <yossarianuk> MoonUnit: no... - will do.
[11:59] <linuxguy> Hi all, Ive just done a fresh installation of kubuntu 15.04, but after a reboot, I just get a black screen and two coloured lines on it, Im using a nvidia card.any helps would be great
[12:04] <chindy> how do i stop kubuntus xServer?
[12:06] <BluesKaj> chindy, why?
[12:06] <chindy> so that i can install nvidia driver
[12:07] <BluesKaj> linuxguy, do you get to the login screen?
[12:08] <BluesKaj> chindy, no need to stop the xserver to install the driver , just use the driver manager in system settings
[12:10] <PhilippeP> Oh there's no more pastebin widget in plasma5 ?
[12:11] <BluesKaj> chindy, or if you know which driver applies to your card ., most likely the nvidia-340, just use the terminal
[12:11] <BluesKaj> PhilippeP, no
[12:11] <BluesKaj> not available ...yet
[12:12] <chindy> BluesKaj, yes i am installing with terminal but it tells me that xserver is running and i need to exit it
[12:12] <PhilippeP> ok will wait then , it is very usefull .. sad
[12:12] <BluesKaj> the transition to kde5 is goinf=g to take while so there are some widget casualties
[12:13] <PhilippeP> BluesKaj: of course!
[12:13] <BluesKaj> chindy, that's strange , then drop to the TTY/VT and install it there if possible , ctl+alt+F1-F
[12:14] <BluesKaj> err F1-F6 that is
[12:14] <MoonUnit`> you can install pastebinit and pipe from konsole.
[12:15] <BluesKaj> yeah MoonUnit` that's a good alternative
[12:15] <linuxguy> BluesKaj, Sorry no login screen.just black screen
[12:15] <chindy> BluesKaj, yea thats what i am doing but it still says xserver is running
[12:18] <BluesKaj> chindy, which DM are you using , sudo service nameofdm stop
[12:18] <chindy> well i needed to run sudo service sddm stop
[12:19] <MoonUnit`> sudo systemctl stop sddm.service
[12:22] <murthy> I need an onscreen keyboard
[12:23] <MoonUnit`> think you'll have to switch to lightdm for that murthy
[12:24] <murthy> MoonUnit`: lightdm? why?
[12:24] <MoonUnit`> last time someone asked about it all i could find was about lightdm greeter
[12:25] <BluesKaj> murthy, in lok
[12:25] <BluesKaj> install
[12:26] <BluesKaj> nope sorry , wrong app , murthy unless you speak hindi
[12:26] <murthy> BluesKaj: nope
[12:26] <BluesKaj> ok :)
[12:26] <murthy> BluesKaj: I am tamil and dont know hindi
[12:27] <murthy> BluesKaj: Will the onscreen widget be ported in the future?
[12:27] <murthy> or is it droped ?
[12:27] <BluesKaj> murthy, Tamil is included in lok
[12:28] <murthy> BluesKaj: oh, ok. but I need one for english
[12:28] <murthy> BluesKaj: I also searched for an app something called kvkbd, I couldn't find it
[12:30] <BluesKaj> yeah ,english can ber used with qwerty but it has to be keymapped
[12:30] <andybrine> Good afternon everyone
[12:31] <andybrine> Just upgraded to 15.04 and its working flawlessly!!
[12:31] <andybrine> Great Job!
[12:31] <andybrine> One question though, im using gnome shell and wonder if it is possible to install gnome shell 3.16?
[12:32] <BluesKaj> andybrine, ask in ubuntu this is kubuntu support
[12:33] <andybrine> ahh ok, thanks. I will check in there
[12:34] <Nicole> Hello I would like to update to 15.04 but can't seem to get thunderbird and firetray to work, is this a plasma 5 kubuntu or firetray issue please?
[12:35] <kStarLord> Hi. Currently trying to boot the live CD. After a while, screen goes black. Video card is Nvidia (this is an older laptop). Could this be related to the Nidia woes people are having left and right? (this is the live environment, mind you)
[12:35] <MoonUnit`> Nicole: might be this http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/06/where-are-my-systray-icons/
[12:38] <Nicole> Thanks Moonunit I do hope it is fixed soon, I will upgrade then, it all looks fab apart from just that one little thing for me lol
[12:43] <murthy> BluesKaj: iok keyboard works for me, english is also available. Thank you
[12:43] <pibarnas> hi folks. where do I report a bug? In  fresh install, kubuntu doesn't install the correct keyboard from my language, even using setxkbmap...
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Nicole, plasma 5/KF5 are still in development so there are some missing widgets
[12:44] <BluesKaj> murthy, great, glad to hear that :)
[12:55] <amundsen> hi
[12:56] <amundsen> does anybody know if future plasma releases will be upgraded from official repos or we'll have to update them through ppa ?
[13:01] <BluesKaj> amundsen, now that 15.04 is officially released and your using that OS the answer is no, if you're still on 14.10 with plsama then the anwer is most likely yes.
[13:01] <BluesKaj> plasma 5 that is
[13:03] <amundsen> i'm using 15.04
[13:04] <BluesKaj> amundsen, no more ppas here until I'm told I need them
[13:05] <BluesKaj> 15.04 as well
[13:05] <amundsen> BluesKaj, so for those using 15.04, plasma 5.3 and 5.4 will upgrade from official ubuntu repos?
[13:05] <BluesKaj> the normal procedure is to put the upgrades in the backports
[13:06] <amundsen> ok
[13:06] <amundsen> thanks
[13:06] <BluesKaj> np
[13:07] <BluesKaj> amundsen, similar to KDE upgrades
[13:10] <amundsen> BluesKaj, the "backport" option isn't activated by default in lts versions, is it?
[13:13] <BluesKaj> amundsen, check your /etc/apt/sources.list , to see if said deb backports are commented with a #
[13:13] <devurandom> Hello!
[13:14] <devurandom> Will the Kubuntu PPA für 14.04/Trusty still be updated? I'd love to see KDEPIM 4.14.7 on my system, since there were quite some bugfixes…
[13:17] <BluesKaj> devurandom, which ppa ? most LTS use the backports for officially supported upgrades since ppas aren't supported
[13:18] <BluesKaj> !ppa | devurandom
[13:19] <BluesKaj> backports are usually for DE upgrades that is, otherwise the standard repos are used
[13:47] <oldawg> Hello, I am unable to switch off the screen lock. In 14.10 it was OK, 15.04 has no option for that. What I am missing?
[13:50] <mparillo> Nobody seems to file bugs against PPAs, do they? I added kubuntu-ppa/next-staging to test Plasma 5.2.95, and it works great on my HW, but not on VMWare. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346467 kicked it back to Kubuntu, but do anybody know where the Kubuntu bug should be fined?
[13:55] <Guest1942> Hi guys. I just installed Kubuntu 15.04 and want to disable KOrganiser and KDE Connect (why is it even installed by default?). Cheers.
[13:58] <Mamarok> Guest1942: why did you isntall KDE-PIM, then? these are part of the package, if you don't want it, don't use it
[13:59] <hyper_ch> how can I remove the entries in Dolphon for Recently Saved and Search For?
[13:59] <hyper_ch> in the places thingy
[14:00] <Guest1942> Mamarok, it's default installation. Did not change anything while installing.
[14:00] <saumyabratadutt> hey can you help me ????
[14:01] <mparillo> !ask
[14:07] <personal> Hi all . I have a 16gb usb drive . It is now 14gb . Whats happing , why it keep getting smaer ever time i format it with ubuntu ?
[14:08] <lordievader> personal: What does parted say?
[14:10] <MoonUnit`> Guest1942: sudo apt-get remove korganizer kdeconnect kdeconnect-plasma
 KDE partition manger says 14.44
[14:10] <lordievader> personal: Could you pastebin the output of 'sudo parted /dev/sdX print' where X is the letter of the usb stick.
[14:14] <ejay> In latest kubuntu... is it me or sys tray is absolutely non functional? For example - can't add konversation to tray. Can't add firefox and thunderbird to tray. Steam is attacking me with some error about tray. What's goin on?
 It just gives me a lot of options . I typed in check , it gives : WARNING: you are attempting to use parted to operate on (check) a file system.
[14:16] <lordievader> Are you giving it a filesystem? It should be something like /dev/sda (without any numbers at the end).
[14:17] <MoonUnit`> ejay:  http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/06/where-are-my-systray-icons/
[14:17] <MoonUnit`> ejay: konversation and steam should appear in the kde tray though, weird.
[14:20] <ejay> MoonUnit, thanks for this link. I just got some flashbacks from early KDE 4 days. Sys tray is broken in my case, what is super wierd bc it's a frash installation. Also KIOexec dont like me as well bc clikcing on this link is givin' me an error. Awesome.
 just does the same thing
[14:21] <lordievader> personal: That is strange... How have you created your usb stick?
[14:23] <ejay> And when moving files from HDD to external flash drive plasma is eating 50% of my cpu (i3 intel).
[14:23] <ejay> And I was so hyped about new KDE. o_0
[14:25] <personal> Through KDE partition manger . I formated it to ntfs. But all my other usb's i used for live disks are bricked. So i'm down ot this one an cost me a fortune. Deleting files off it and then formattting , i opened up startup-disk creature and was like WTF !! what happened the my 16bg drive, it's now 14gb.
[14:26] <lordievader> Did you create a raw filesystem on it? Without a partition table?
 I deleted the partition and created a new partition table. What's a raw file system ?
[14:28] <lordievader> Filesystem on a disk without a partition table.
 Would that be some thing differnt to , fat, ntfs, ext, brfs
[14:29] <MoonUnit`> ext3/4 will reserve 5% of the disk, you can reclaim it if you need to.
[14:30] <lordievader> No, fat, ntfs, ext, btrfs are all filesystems.
 How do i do that
 How do i make it raw ?
[14:31] <lordievader> You don't want that. Make a partition table.
[14:33] <MoonUnit`> the drive will have to be unmounted sudo tune2fs -m 0 /dev/sda1 <-change sda1 to your partition
 If i do that i'll loose more of the disk
[14:33] <lordievader> For a partition table? Not really. The first X sectors are ment for that anyways.
[14:37] <personal> Where do i past a screen shot ?
[14:37] <lordievader> !screenshot
[14:38] <poee> hi, where can I find the md5 hashes of kubuntu ISO's?
[14:39] <personal> http://imgur.com/a/8mJ78#0
[14:40] <MoonUnit`> poee: you should be able to find them on the site you downloaded the iso from.
[14:40] <lordievader> personal: 14.44 Gib is about right => 15.5Gb
[14:40] <poee> MoonUnit`, googled the hash, and found it to be accurate. thanx
[14:44] <ejay> can I install kubuntu 15.04 with KDE4?
 The drive was over 16gb, when i brought it.
[14:47] <lordievader> personal: Does parted give you usefull output now you've created a new partition table?
 partd is opened , what option do i pick and by the looks of it point it at
[14:56] <lordievader> No need to open parted, just use the command I gave earlier.
[14:57] <personal> (parted) check /dev/sdd1 WARNING: you are attempting to use parted to operate on (check) a file system. parted's file system manipulation code is not as robust as what you'll find in dedicated, file-system-specific packages like e2fsprogs. We recommend you use parted only to manipulate partition tables, whenever possible. Support for performing most operations on most types of file systems will be removed in an upcoming release.
 That is the command i put in and it opened .
[14:57] <lordievader> Why?
[14:59] <lordievader> Have I told you to do so?
 What next lord Vader. Show me the force.
[15:02] <lordievader> Are you reading what I type?
[15:04] <personal> My guess is its got to do with the usb starge devices firmware and block assigment, that it has some kind of operation  for speed perposes, it delays wipping them and locks those blocks.
[15:04] <lordievader> So, you are not. Okay.
[15:06] <pkulas> Is possible to minimalize to tray Konversation?
[15:06] <personal> Linux doesn't know this, and , hence the device ends up becomming complelty  locked and effectly bricked.
 No , i dont want this most expensive usb bricked liked all the others
[15:10] <personal> Is that plausable theory ?
 Can gparted wipe the entire usb clear, except the usb software. I thin its supposed to be in the first sectors, but from experince , i'v found them to be in the lsat sectors of the usbs stick i have purchased. I buy a differnt brand everytime.
[15:14] <ejay> pkulas, it's not bc sys tray is broken. have fun.
 are you guys talking about KDE5 ?
[15:15] <ejay> yup
[15:15] <pkulas> ejay : I found system tray at settings, gonna test it now, if it minimalize or close irc
[15:18] <ejay> i did found those options as well. problem is - it's not working.
[15:18] <pkulas> ok works now, thought no icon , just in status & notifications, but it's better anyway.
[15:19] <personal> sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/X              . Blocksa device   . It may be becuase they need to be one's , not zero's .
[15:20] <ejay> pkulas, good for you. I want to get rid of it from my bottom panel and keep it in systray only but it's too much I guess.
[15:22] <personal> But the firmware is going to be wipped anyway and brick it.
[15:22] <pkulas> ejay : Did you try Settings Konversation - Behavior - General - Enable System Tray?
[15:23] <ejay> pkulas, yes I did. My systray is just broken. Steam is not working with systray. Dropbox is not working with systray. Nothing. Only this couple basic icons are there and that's it. This. Is. Not. Cool. I'm super salty right now.
[15:24] <pkulas> wow, crazy. Wonder how that happend, for me steam and other works fine
[15:25] <ejay> Well, it's not a big deal. I just need console and bunch of dev tools but after kde4 I got this feeling of downgrade not upgrade. And I don't like it.
[15:26] <MoonUnit`> steam tray is working for me in plasma5
[15:27] <MoonUnit`> dropbox i had to use a tray app to see it
 I wasn't being smart arse. I just wonderig where your going with your theory. What was your next instruction ?
[15:28] <lordievader> personal: I was trying to get information. But clearly you do not want to listen and try random stuff.
 I want to try everthing and anything. Please continue .
[15:29] <lordievader> No. I've lost interest.
 Obi one is looking for you. Lol . Thanks anyway :-) .
[15:31] <ejay> MoonUnit, what app? I mean dropbox tray.
[15:32] <MoonUnit`> ejay: martins blog suggests wmsystemtray but i prefer trayer http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/06/where-are-my-systray-icons/
[15:38] <ejay> MoonUnit, it's sad that I need to install some 3rd party apps to make such basic thing like systray make usable. Thanks, will check this out.
[15:42] <MoonUnit`> ejay: its the problem with living off another distro, ubuntu need to patch some of their packages to make kde work properly.
 This is stressful for me, just trying to lighten things up. Thank you for taking the time to help out.
[15:45] <ejay> Couple of questions: how to enable numlock on the start of the session? How to get rid of Konversation from bottom panel to have it only in systray? How to change color of bottom panel?
[15:47] <pkulas> I changed color of bottom panel and whole interface but forgot how :D
[15:47] <pkulas> Default is very bad
[15:47] <MoonUnit`> numlock setting in settings/input devices/keyboard
[15:48] <ejay> pkulas, default is absolutely terrible.
[15:48] <pkulas> System Settings - Desktop Theme, there to change color
[15:49] <ejay> pkulas, I know where to change color. Problem is when I'm changing colors nothing happens.
[15:50] <pkulas> weird :(
[15:50] <pkulas> Is it fresh install or upgrade from 14.10?
[15:50] <pkulas> Yours
[15:51] <ejay> pkulas, fresh. I tried to install it from 14.10 but Muon crashed and killed my whole system.
[15:51] <ejay> free software FTW! ;)
[15:52] <pkulas> Maybe some additional package broken everything for you
[15:54] <ejay> pkulas, or, let's be honest, KDE5 is not ready.
[15:54] <pkulas> For me everything works fine yet
[15:54] <pkulas> even mobile modem
[15:55] <pkulas> Only 1 thing is broken on every *buntu is brightness , every time reset to 100% on restart
[15:59] <MoonUnit`> added a xrandr command to run at startup to bring the brightness down on mine.
[16:00] <alvin> pkulas: It does? Can you check your font preview window? kcmshell5 fontinst
[16:06] <ejay> jesus, this new kde is just pure mess. fuck this.
[16:06] <pkulas> alvin : preview works
[16:06] <pkulas> alvin : but no idea about other things in there
[16:07] <pkulas> unistalling a font seems to be a long process or broken
[16:07] <mparillo> ejay: Bugs or regressions?
[16:08] <pkulas> mparillo : stuck on updating font configuration, but maybe it's doing something that long
[16:09] <ejay> mparillo, regression. this new plasma is raw. it's working but there is nothing to work.
[16:09] <reborn> What's system requirement for kubuntu 15.04?
[16:10] <ejay> and this sytray is just shameless bitch slap for users of KDE4
[16:15] <ejay> and such little thing like changing color of panel is too much for new and shiny plasma 5
[16:17] <Riddell> ejay: no swearing please
[16:37] <mparillo> I believe panel color is set by the overall desktop theme in System Settings. I am pretty sure I remember it changing when I went from Breeze to Breeze Dark with Plasma 5.2. With Plasma 5.2.95, I think something might be missing for Breeze Dark on my install, but that could be my fault.
[16:43] <ejay> ok, do anyone have any ideas how to change theme to breeze dark. I'm not asking for where I can find theme options but how to make breeze dark change color so my theme will be dark.
[16:44] <ejay> and how can I get rid of KDE connect from systray
[16:44] <pkulas> ejay : Did you try install and set any other theme
[16:45] <ejay> pkulas, nope
[16:46] <ejay> I just want dark panel. dark ffs!
[16:47] <alvin> ejay: Right click the system tray -> System Tray Options -> System Tray Settings -> untick KDE connect
[16:48] <ejay> alvin, god bless you!
[16:49] <ejay> pkulas, where can I find another themes?
[16:50] <Lyze> Hello :) I have a problem with my tablet. It gets recognized and I can set the properties of it via xsetwacom. However inside the input devices settings gui (kubuntu 15.04) there is no entry for tablet. In the official Ubuntu Wiki they said that I need to install "kde-config-tablet" which is already installed
[16:50] <evgeniy> Hi. DO you find error in alkonady?
[16:50] <pkulas> kcmshell5 desktoptheme and there is Get New Themes button. should work, if not should print any errors for you
[16:51] <pkulas> also btw.
[16:51] <pkulas> if you can't set breeze-dark by Theme Panel
[16:51] <pkulas> you can do it manually
[16:52] <pkulas> ~/.config/plasmarc and  [Theme] name=breeze-dark
[16:54] <pkulas> It should auto change on file change.
[16:54] <ejay> pkulas, it is breeze-dark already in this file. breeze dark is working everywhere but on bottom panel.
[16:54] <pkulas> ejay : maybe your breeze-dark is somehow modified by Theme Panel
[16:54] <ejay> pkulas, and problem is - I just want this panel to be dark. I dont care about rest. This panel need to be dark.
[16:55] <pkulas> ejay : Try install new theme, there are many darks themes
[16:55] <ejay> pkulas, it's not modified bc when I'm trying to modify it manually it just goes back to default settings.
[16:55] <alvin> How can I remove the battery notification from SDDM? 0% battery sounds stupid when you have a desktop. Not everyone uses a notebook.
[16:55] <ejay> themes from kde-look does not work with plasma 5
[16:56] <pkulas> ejay : doesn't it show only the 1 that works with plasma?
[16:56] <pkulas> I installed like 3 and works all
[16:57] <ejay> pkulas, give me names
[16:57] <pkulas> Velours3
[16:58] <pkulas> just type Velours
[17:00] <ejay> pkulas, ok, it works but I dont want this theme. I want this black panel :D
[17:00] <ejay> pkulas, jesus, basic stuff and plasma 5 is like hurr durr. I'm terrified what will gonna happen when I'm gonna start to working on this.
[17:05] <rohan> can someone help me, please? after upgrade to 15.04 from 14.10, my computer just gets stuck at the login screen: the mouse works, but the keyboard does not (although alt-sysrq works)
[17:05] <rohan> I have tried changing the display manager from SDDM to lightdm and also tried booting in upstart
[17:05] <rohan> but neither helped
[17:08] <ejay> rohan, is your kb working in console?
[17:08] <rohan> ejay: i can't even switch to console using Ctrl-Alt-F1 (to F7)
[17:09] <rohan> ejay: but my keyboard is working fine in a livecd and in recovery mode boot
[17:09] <Zerkalerka> Anyone know the default shortcut to open konsole or terminal?
[17:10] <ejay> rohan, but I mean text mode, when starting your system you can choose (you need to hit some button - f8 maybe?) to start in recovery mode, normal mode and such.
[17:11] <rohan> ejay: yes, in text mode, it's work
[17:11] <rohan> ing
[17:12] <ejay> rohan, and it's just normal, generic kb?
[17:12] <rohan> ejay: a laptop keyboard, but otherwise just normal
[17:12] <rohan> works everywhere else
[17:30] <ejay> rohan, sry but have no clue
[17:46] <metot> Hi, how do I know the list of available pack after apt-get update?
[17:46] <metot> in which file are they saved ?
[17:49] <alvin> metot: I dont't know, but check the output of <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:49] <alvin> ehm...
[17:49] <alvin> wrong paste. There's something with the clipboard
[17:49] <alvin> sudo apt list --upgradable
[17:50] <metot> i ll check yhx
[17:50] <alvin> (You don't need the sudo here)
[17:51] <metot> ok
[18:01] <Mneuro> in Kubuntu 15.04 where is the setting to disable effects in fullscreen applications?
[18:03] <alvin> Mneuro: System Settings -> Display and monitor -> Compositor
[18:03] <Mneuro> alvin, thanks so much!
[18:03] <Mneuro> so far I'm really liking plasma 5.  It is probably my favorite of hte "modern" desktops
[18:03] <alvin> A few sharp corners, but it's growing on me
[18:04] <reborn> is plasma 5 much improve in 15.04?
[18:04] <alvin> Compared to 14.10? Not really.
[18:06] <reborn> i see.
[18:59] <pkulas> Konversation setting are not user friendly for laptop users with 1366x768 resolution
[18:59] <pkulas> need to move window with alt to see buttons to apply
[19:00] <alvin> I press Leave -> Restart.. and nothing happens
[19:01] <alvin> Let's try typing 'reboot'
[19:01] <pkulas> as sudo
[19:02] <pkulas> what is linux command to reboot or shutdown without sudo ?
[19:02] <Zerkalerka> shutdown -r now
[19:08] <pkulas> ok it works :)
[19:08] <pkulas> had to restart 2 more times, first keyboard didnt respond, second time plasma crashed :D
[19:09] <pkulas> btw. is any1 else missing network icon when connection is on?
[19:10] <pkulas> It same problem I had on mate beta 2, when mobile connection is on icon goes invisible
[19:14] <Kottizen> Hi everyone! I installed fglrx and now everything gets black when I try to sign in. What should I do?
[19:15] <Kottizen> The login window still appears, though, so I am not entirely out of graphics.
[19:19] <pkulas> Kottizen : How did you install it? By additional drivers?
[19:20] <pkulas> You should propably remove fglrx and reinstall open drivers
[19:21] <Kottizen> pkulas: Via the terminal, but I figured out a way of getting everything to work. I removed .Xauthority.
[19:21] <pkulas> Kottizen : so fglrx works now for you?
[19:22] <Kottizen> pkulas: It does! First I installed the drivers directly from AMD's website, but those didn't work at all. So I though I could remove them. Didn't work either. Then I installed the version in the repositories, and it worked after having removed .Xauthority.
[19:23] <pkulas> nice
[19:23] <Kottizen> Do you, by any chance, know if the default wallpaper is available i a 4k version?
[19:24] <pkulas> Kottizen : I don't
[19:26] <Kottizen> pkulas: Ok. Do you, by any another chance, know why the bookmarks I add in Dolphin disappear when I restart Dolphin?
[19:27] <pkulas> Kottizen : I installed Kubuntu 15.04 I don't have much expierience with KDE apps
[19:27] <Kottizen> pkulas: Temporary solution: Add the bookmarks in another view, such as the Open File view.
[19:28] <Kottizen> Ah, I see...
[19:29] <pkulas> Kottizen : but yeah same issue here, when add folder to places it's gone after restart
[19:30] <pkulas> So it's probably a bug
[19:30] <Kottizen> Likely. I'll stick to adding them via the Open File dialog.
[19:32] <luc4> Anyone who got “Welcome to emergency mode” after updating to 15.04?
[19:32] <pkulas> When you right click a folder and use Add to Places it does nothing either
[19:34] <Zerkalerka> Everytime I restart, my start menu keeps getting bigger and bigger and it now takes up the entire screen vertically and aabout 40% width
[19:35] <Zerkalerka> How can I make it smaller again lol
[19:37] <Zerkalerka> http://gyazo.com/2b3bf50d28544bc02c06abf4894f9ce7 thats how big it is no wlol
[19:38] <Zerkalerka> hmm speak of the devil.. as soon as I paste that screenshot it now automatically reduced its size by about 20%
[19:39] <Zerkalerka> interesting.. :P
[19:39] <pkulas> my looks similar to screenshot
[19:39] <Zerkalerka> http://gyazo.com/0d4c93cf93dd3ea3f94cb24a5a893935
[19:40] <Zerkalerka> thats mine now.. after I literally pressed nothing but took that screenshot lol
[19:40] <pkulas> but I have 1366x768
[19:40] <Zerkalerka> ah yeah I am 1920x1280
[19:41] <MoonUnit`> Zerkalerka: tried the alternative menu?
[19:42] <Zerkalerka> MoonUnit`: No I haven't where is that located.
[19:42] <pkulas> Press Menu by Right click and Alternatives
[19:43] <Zerkalerka> ah wow thats much better TY
[19:57] <ejay> Can I reinstall kde themes? I started to mess with breeze dark and it overwrittes default theme.
[20:09] <assurbanipal> hi guys, is there a reason why i don't get gnome applications icon in the system tray with kubuntu 15.04? how can I fix it?
[20:12] <MoonUnit`> http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/06/where-are-my-systray-icons/
[20:21] <assurbanipal> MoonUnit`: i installed the libappindicator but still...
[20:22] <MoonUnit`> yeah, you need to install a tray tool, wmsystemtray or trayer.
[20:22] <assurbanipal> ok I just did, I guess I hacve to login again?
[20:28] <assurbanipal> MoonUnit`: i installed and tried bot trayer and wmsystemtray but the first overlaps with the kde taskbar and the second starts a new window... is there a way tos somehow nicely integrate them to kubuntu?
[20:30] <MoonUnit`> afraid not, best you can do is move them somewhere less annoying.
[20:31] <assurbanipal> MoonUnit`: really? there is no way to make gtk system tray work with kde5??? this is a huge let-down...
[20:31] <MoonUnit`> yup
[20:31] <assurbanipal> MoonUnit`: that is a slap in the face!
[20:33] <carlos_> hola
[20:34] <pkulas> what version of plasma is inside 15.10?
[20:38] <pkulas> 15.04 * sry
[20:39] <chrissg_> Hey folks! My Plasma 5 (kubuntu) is currently half-english, half-german. I want it all to be plain english :) Where did I screw up? I tripple checked Regional Settings -> Translations, to no avail. Any help/pointed would be awesome
[20:41] <hyper_ch> chrissg_: having same issues here
[20:42] <chrissg_> Phhew, I thought I was too dumb here :) Glad to see others have this kind of problem (sorry) ;)
[20:43] <hyper_ch> (among other stuff though)
[20:43] <chrissg_> Indeed. I have an "todo/issues" file with all current plasma issues, fighting proudly :)
[20:44] <hyper_ch> most annoying for me is that konsole freezes upon window resize
[20:44] <hyper_ch> and plasma desktop on main screen can't be set to folder view
[20:44] <hyper_ch> and the spacing of mail folders in Kontact despite having oxygen theme and style
[20:54] <pkulas> I wonder if system stand up after upgrade plasma to 4.2.95 from 4.2.2
[21:00] <soee> pkulas: what ?
[21:00] <soee> there is not plasma 4.2.95
[21:02] <pkulas> 5.2.95 sorry, I'm a bit sleepy
[21:04] <soee> pkulas: dont worry the upgrade is smooth
[21:23] <zefyr> Just Installed Kubuntu. Have logged in several times. System always freezes a couple minutes after login. At that point, the mouse still moves fine, but you can not Ctrl+Esc or Alt+Tab. My googling hasn't come up with anything. some close ones, but not the same. Any ideas here?
[21:23] <zefyr> 15.04
[21:25] <soee> zefyr: is it fresh installation ?
[21:30] <pkulas> After install plasma 5.2.95 system is totally broken :D
[21:30] <pkulas> seems a need to reinstall Kubuntu
[21:30] <zefyr> well, Ive win10 and ubu14.04 on thier own partitions. Kubuntu is fress on it own partition. Kubuntu installed a grub on /dev/sda
[21:30] <zefyr> fresh^
[21:32] <zefyr> it did the same thing even on the live boot usb a couple times will i was installing. secure boot is disabled, there are no keys for any of the other OSes
[21:32] <pkulas> I would probably be able to downgrade plasma but I'm on mobile connection and can't even set up it without working plasma
[22:14] <codebrainz> hi. I just upgraded to 15.04 and it removed my KDE installation. previously I had installed kde-plasma-desktop to get just the basic KDE stuff, but it seems that package isn't available anymore. is there an alternative package to get just the minimal desktop without all the applications?
[22:15] <sfurtaw> I know that kubuntu-desktop will install the whole bonanza, but I'm not sure about minimal
[22:15] <codebrainz> yeah, kubuntu-desktop wants to put 500MB of stuff, most of which I won't use
[22:16] <codebrainz> I actually interrupted installing it half-way through to ask here if there was an alternative that won't clog my little hard drive :)
[22:16] <sfurtaw> they seem to have updated it too
[22:16] <sfurtaw> you may be required to install all of that, but don't quote me
[22:17] <codebrainz> meh, it's no biggie. I don't use KDE much, but when I write applications I like to test it on a lot of DEs
[22:17] <danikvsn> has anyone experienced serious issues with configuring kde after the 15.04 update?
[22:17] <sfurtaw> I have had a few
[22:18] <codebrainz> the weird thing is, when I google for it, I find this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+package/kde-plasma-desktop
[22:22] <codebrainz> hmm, there's a package called plasma-desktop, might that be it?
[22:22] <sfurtaw> probably
[22:22] <sfurtaw> try looking at it's dependencies or something
[22:22] <sfurtaw> just to confirm
[22:22] <codebrainz> yeah, it looks like it
[22:23] <sfurtaw> cool
[22:23] <codebrainz> it's even just installing from package cache, since the upgrade first upgraded those packages then uninstalled them
[22:26] <codebrainz> i think it worked
[22:26] <codebrainz> it looks like windows 8 though, not like what I was using before the upgrade
[22:31] <danikvsn> for me my color scheme and window decoration became screwed up for things like systemsettings and kate
[22:31] <danikvsn> and my font became weird
[22:31] <darthanubis> danikvsn: you upgraded?
[22:31] <danikvsn> worst part is they now refuse to follow systemsettings
[22:32] <Franks> hi
[22:32] <danikvsn> darthanubis: yea from the beta to 15.04
[22:32] <danikvsn> I then did a fresh install
[22:33] <danikvsn> screwed up again after an update
[22:33] <Franks> anyone knows the minimal requirentments to run kubuntu 15?
[22:35] <darthanubis> Franks: http://askubuntu.com/questions/521076/system-requirements-for-installing-kubuntu-14-04
[22:55] <codebrainz_> i just upgraded to 15.04 and I seem to have missed something. when I minimize XChat to the system tray, the icon doesn't show up and I can't get it back. does anyone know which package can bring back my system tray?
[22:56] <codebrainz_> codebrainz can confirm I'm sure :)
[23:29] <darthanubis> look for the xchat systray
[23:30] <darthanubis> but I'd scrape xchat for a better kde based irc client anyway
[23:31] <codebrainz_> I don't use KDE very much, so it's nice to use the same chat client across all the DEs I use
[23:31] <codebrainz_> I found a package called xchat-inidicator, but it doesn't work
[23:31] <darthanubis> I said systray
[23:32] <codebrainz_> it doesn't exist
[23:32] <darthanubis> sure it does
[23:32] <codebrainz_> what is the package name?
[23:32] <darthanubis> I told you
[23:33] <codebrainz_> no, you said "xchat systray" which AFAIK isn't a valid package name
[23:33] <codebrainz_> and xchat-systray doesn't exist here
[23:33] <codebrainz_> (in repos)
[23:34] <codebrainz_> although i did hear references to it in my googlings
[23:34] <darthanubis> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat-systray
[23:34] <darthanubis> Looks like they finally dropped it
[23:34] <codebrainz_> bleh
[23:35] <darthanubis> xchat is old anyway
[23:35] <darthanubis> people have moved on to better irc cleints
[23:35] <codebrainz_> it's still maintained i think
[23:35] <codebrainz_> and it works well across DEs quite nice, and I'm used to it :)
[23:35] <darthanubis> if you are married to xchat you'll love hexchat
[23:35] <darthanubis> apparently it does not,  hence your current issue
[23:36] <darthanubis> :)
[23:36] <codebrainz_> heh, not anymore I guess. although it's not xchat's fault the DEs break stuff
[23:37] <codebrainz_> does hexchat allow an icon in the system tray?
[23:39] <codebrainz_> guess not :(
[23:40] <codebrainz__> oh well, it works with the xfce4-panel... guess you'll have to run both :)
[23:42] <dale_> on 15.04 firefox and thunderbird have no scroll arrows, the bar alone is too fast
[23:45] <darthanubis> mouse wheel?
[23:46] <dale_> works better for now, thanks, they don't have menus between the title bar and tabs either
[23:51] <apellizcos> hola necesito ayuda con plasma 5.1
[23:51] <bazhang> !es
[23:51] <Hairo> cual es el problema?
[23:52] <apellizcos> no puedo actualizar a plasma 5.2 y los menus los tengo en ingles
[23:52] <apellizcos> e seguido muchos tutoriales y en konsole me dice que tengo la version mas actual
[23:53] <bazhang>  /join #ubuntu-es  apellizcos
[23:53] <bazhang> this is english apellizcos
[23:54] <apellizcos> ok, sorry


[00:02]  * arraybolt3[m] fiddles with a Rubik's cube while waiting for this thing to update
[00:03] <arraybolt3[m]> (And I'm going to assign it all eight threads that I have rather than just four, to try to speed things along.)
[00:06] <arraybolt3[m]> Alright that's going to take a while, /me starts packaging while I wait for this thing to update
[00:53] <arraybolt3[m]> teward: No need to answer, this is just to satisfy my curiosity, but did the watch file hack I shared end up being useful?
[00:54] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Well, the ones Andrew uploaded did not work at all with the upstream tarball signatures
[00:55] <tsimonq2> So, every package in that list I just replaced with your template watch file and it works fine :P
[00:55] <arraybolt3[m]> \o/
[00:55] <tsimonq2> I remember from the d-devel discussion that the only limitation of that approach is GitHub API calls
[00:55] <tsimonq2> As in, rate limiting
[00:55] <tsimonq2> GitHub will figure out soon enough that Debian exists >:P
[00:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Ohhhh... for automated mass builds.
[00:56] <tsimonq2> Yeah :)
[00:56] <arraybolt3[m]> See my thought was "no one's ever going to trigger so many builds so fast that they're going to hit a rate limit." But... one fast-moving PPA or build server sure will!
[00:56] <tsimonq2> We don't nearly have that usecase, so I think we'll be okay. Once we start getting this in CI though, I think I'll have to implement a hard limit in code so we don't get ourselves blocked
[00:57] <arraybolt3[m]> And then what happens when they go into Launchpad or similar?
[00:57] <arraybolt3[m]> Is there a way to prevent flooding the API there?
[00:57] <tsimonq2> Well, a copy of the tarball is uploaded with the source. It doesn't grab it every time. Technically you could upload a package with a non-functional watch file :P
[00:57] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: GitHub has made very foolish decisions in the past that drove people nuts and they didn't end up caring a whole lot. See the brownouts for Ubuntu 18.04 GitHub Actions during deprecation.
[00:58] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: Oh I see. So it's not a problem there I guess?
[00:58] <tsimonq2> However, the Debian package tracker polls at shrug some frequency to ensure those watch files still work, and to check for new upstream versions
[00:58] <arraybolt3[m]> arraybolt3[m]: (To be fair they did seem to stop doing that for a while, but then it looks like they started again...)
[00:59] <tsimonq2> Yeah, that's what happens when Microsoft acquires a company, it seems :P
[00:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Maybe we'll just need to host the repos ourselves on a different Git server and then plug that into the watch file.
[00:59] <tsimonq2> Anyway, I need to step away for a good hour or two, but I'm seeing green checks down the board for both Backports Staging and the choo choo train
[00:59] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. See you later, and thanks!
[01:51] <teward> arraybolt3: yep for my needs.  i didnt share it wider yet
[01:51] <teward> i was at a coworker's retirement party sorry
[03:49] <tsimonq2> lynorian: Push mirror now set up for GiTea -> GitHub, enjoy :)
[03:50] <arraybolt3[m]> Does that mean I should run the setup-gitea script?
 @lynorian ^^^
[03:50] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Where was that again? :P
[03:50] <arraybolt3[m]> Lemme post it...
[03:52]  * arraybolt3[m] sent a code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/17087ecef280e8abbd60d4577a625d71748bb59f
[03:52] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Hey, do you have access to create a repository under the Lubuntu namespace in GiTea?
[03:52] <arraybolt3[m]> I do. Someone (dunno who) gave me admin access.
[03:52] <tsimonq2> Please create a scripts repo and collect all your useful scripts there :P
[03:53] <arraybolt3[m]> (Which I treat with caution - not sure why but...)
 Sadly is the lunar iso still not yet up
[03:53] <arraybolt3[m]> (As in, not sure why I got given admin access.)
[03:53] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: 👍
[03:54] <tsimonq2> @lynorian: Soon... very soon :)
[03:54] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: "Oops, someone gave Aaron powers, we better revoke them before he completely wrecks the site" -Nobody, ever :)
[03:55] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: ROFL
[03:57] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: https://git.lubuntu.me/Lubuntu/lubuntu-tools (This is where the script is going to be in a bit here)
[04:01] <tsimonq2> Sounds good, thanks!
[04:16] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: Alright, repo pushed.
[04:22] <tsimonq2> <3 the README
[04:23] <arraybolt3[m]> Except for the bit where I botched the Markdown...
[04:23] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ you'll fix it in the next commit right? :P
[04:24] <tsimonq2> also, very brave of you to simply put a comment on line 29 :P
[04:24] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: Should be fixed already.
[04:25] <tsimonq2> if we wanted this script to be "safe," you'd do some detection to make sure git is found in the current $PATH and throw a print statement with the current directory path + prompt for a y/N - depends on how overkill you want to go :P
[04:26] <arraybolt3[m]> That's a good point. And I guess our internal tooling should be ready for in the event more people come on board.
[04:27] <tsimonq2> also: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/287871/how-do-i-print-colored-text-to-the-terminal
[04:27] <tsimonq2> :P
[04:27] <arraybolt3[m]> Anyway the comment on line 29 is only for if you're modifying the script - if you're only using it, it doesn't exactly matter.
[04:27] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: Someone noticed my giant line of exclamation points. :P
[04:29] <tsimonq2> `subprocess.run(["git", "branch", newBranch])` - perhaps consider `git checkout -b newBranch`
[04:29] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: I literally did that once and then changed it because I thought calling the function "gitbranch" and then using `git checkout -b` was a bit misleading.
[04:30] <arraybolt3[m]> I figured better to have the code be truthful and obvious even if it meant it was a bit less efficient.
[04:30] <arraybolt3[m]> (I mean, c'mon, it's Python. If you're writing something in Python, you've already mostly thrown efficiency out the window...)
[04:32] <tsimonq2> it can also get out of hand quickly if you're simply running subprocess.run and not capturing the output... simple pseudocode may look something like:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/00cdb674b18a8e49ff417c125e79ddb38dbd45e8>)
[04:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm, that's a good point.
[04:33] <arraybolt3[m]> You'll notice I do capture and use the output in the `gitcurrentbranch()` function, but the others don't really need it (though perhaps doing error checking by checking the current branch is a bit kludgy and is definitely less efficient).
[04:34] <tsimonq2> ohhhhhh, yeah
[04:34] <arraybolt3[m]> `git checkout -b` will succeed even if the branch already exists, and just behave the same as `git checkout`, right?
[04:35] <tsimonq2> tbh, this is kind of what GitPython is meant to do, a purely Pythonic way of representing a Git repo :P
[04:35] <tsimonq2> I understand it's deprecated but it accomplishes exactly this minus the complexity of having to learn it all :P
[04:35] <tsimonq2> that being said, if you want to use this as a Python learning exercise, by all means ;)
[04:36] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: That's something to look into, I don't remember off the top of my head :)
[04:36] <arraybolt3[m]> I'd have to test it, the docs are ambiguous.
[04:38] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: That, and also:
[04:38] <arraybolt3[m]> 1. Avoiding deprecated things is pretty much always good, unless you particularly like having things come back to bite you later. Maybe it won't bite for way later, maybe it won't bite at all, but why risk it?
[04:38] <arraybolt3[m]> 2. GitPython requires the use of pip to install it, and not everything that you can install with pip is safe. Typo-squatting supply chain attacks are possible, and that's something we do **not** want to happen to us.
[04:38] <arraybolt3[m]> 3. This isn't that much difficult to implement - in fact, for me, it's a bit easier.
[04:38] <arraybolt3[m]> And 4, this is a tiny bit more portable - someone who is avoiding GitPython for reasons will still be able to use this.
[04:39] <tsimonq2> `apt show python3-git` would disagree with #2 :P
[04:40] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: Oh. Didn't know that it was available in Apt. That does fix that point nicely.
[04:40] <tsimonq2> not against the other points :)
[04:40] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: `apt list | grep python | grep git` got me there
[04:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh that's clever.
[04:41] <RikMills> morning. can't sleep :/
[04:41] <arraybolt3[m]> There's also `apt-cache search git-python`
[04:41] <tsimonq2> Hey Rik :)
[04:41] <arraybolt3[m]> RikMills: o/
[04:41]  * RikMills risks a caffeine overdoes
[04:42] <RikMills> *overdose
[04:42] <arraybolt3[m]> Extra-bold + french vanilla + clover honey = yay
[04:43] <RikMills> I bet
[04:43] <tsimonq2> RikMills: Godspeed, literally and metaphorically :P
[04:43] <arraybolt3[m]> *french vanilla creamer, I mean - leave out the creamer and that's sad :(
[04:44]  * tsimonq2 continues to chug through LXQt 1.2.0
[04:44] <tsimonq2> RikMills: sorry in advance for tangling your transition :)
[04:45] <RikMills> which one?
[04:45] <tsimonq2> probably doesn't directly conflict with KDE PIM, but Britney likes to group random things together sometimes...
[04:47] <RikMills> There is usually a reason. just can be hard to fathom sometimes
[04:47] <RikMills> bileto copy to archive still seems broken :/
[04:48] <arraybolt3[m]> Speaking of that, I'm just finishing up a copyright file, and then I get the supreme privilege of throwing the whole mess at Launchpad and my RISC-V slomulator.
[04:57] <tsimonq2> RikMills: wait really? that's about to be a fun task for me :P
[04:58] <RikMills> Lucaz was looking into it. he needs/needed to be granted some extra permissions by IS to properly debug he said
[05:00] <RikMills> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2022/11/16/%23ubuntu-release.html#t09:05
[05:01] <RikMills> doing a manual copy would presumably dump stuff into binnew
[05:07] <tsimonq2> sounds like fun...
[05:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Alright, RISC-V sbuild schroot is now building. Also, even this system is running RISC-V slowly :P
[05:13] <RikMills> great. m-o-m stopped updating AGAIN
[05:13]  * arraybolt3[m] sent a code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/3f94af9bd3b2c625d6e69c87554601d03aefb1e7
[05:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Maybe debootstrap is trying to pull from the wrong URL? It should be trying to pull from http://deb.debian.org/debian-ports.
[05:23] <RikMills> tsimonq2: is wxl still about? he just expired from kubuntu-members
[05:27] <arraybolt3> !ping
[05:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Network issues.
 "Maybe debootstrap is trying to..." <- Ports.debian.org ? Hm
[05:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Whew! Got it, I think! First the URL needed to be changed, then that needed a different GPG key, which had to also be specifically pointed to (thankfully the keyring was installable as an apt package so I didn't have to blindly trust a key).
[05:37] <tsimonq2> RikMills: wxl> no, very unfortunately :/
[05:37] <tsimonq2> RikMills: MoM> we really need to do something better here :(
[05:38] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh lovely, I just flushed my username, password, and API key from that setup-gitea script on accident. :/
[05:39] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, I still have a copy of it. Yay.
[06:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Building libqtxdg for RISC-V, finally.
 Daily Lunar build fails again..
[17:14] <arraybolt3[m]> > <@tsimonq2:linuxdelta.com> You have two options, essentially:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/8cdff85a9c35b74970761ea27aec5e531f0619ac>)
[17:14] <arraybolt3[m]> I even extracted just the symbols diffs from the logs, and it did the same thing.
[17:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Thankfully the symbols diff was very small and symbol so applying it by hand was a piece of cake.
[17:26] <arraybolt3[m]> At any rate, last step is to set up an i386 VM and try to build in it, and then I'm done with libqtxdg and can tackle the next symbol-laden mess.
[17:27] <arraybolt3[m]> s/symbol/simple/
[17:45] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: You gonna be around soon-ish? I'm prepping to throw a symbols file at Andrew momentarily and am wondering what course of action you would suggest for minimum friction in so doing.
[17:49] <tsimonq2> > <@arraybolt3:matrix.org> ```... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/c4c0c037816ee749870b67f02429cdcf92b901bc>)
[17:50] <arraybolt3[m]> Which file, the main symbols file itself?
[17:50] <tsimonq2> Yeah
[17:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah. And what would that comment look like? #SymbolsHelper-Confirmed ?
[17:51] <tsimonq2> Yes, or similar :)
[17:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice.
[17:52] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, for the sake of making sure that things go smoothly, which one of the three would you like me to do:
[17:52] <arraybolt3[m]> 1: Do the best job I can at prepping the symbols file (using Launchpad and both RISC-V and i386 VMs), then send it to Andrew and hope for the best.
[17:52] <arraybolt3[m]> 2: Throw the packaging at you so you can use the porterboxes on it.
[17:52] <arraybolt3[m]> 3: Try to set up my own emulated build farm myself so I can make sure every single architecture is right.
[17:53] <tsimonq2> 1
[17:54] <tsimonq2> Although given Launchpad publisher speed I've been >< THIS close to setting up a local LP and hammering at that issue until I figure it out
[17:54] <arraybolt3[m]> For me all the builds failed and I only needed the buildlogs anyway so :P
[17:55] <tsimonq2> XD
[17:57] <tsimonq2> I'm gonna go get a workout in, I can review sometime after 1 if that's what you would prefer :)
[17:57] <arraybolt3[m]> Thanks!
[17:57] <tsimonq2> Of course :)
[18:26] <arraybolt3[m]> i386 passing, RISC-V build in progress and files uploaded to PPA. If this passes, then we're done!
[19:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Alright, everything passes, time to wrap up!
[20:03] <arraybolt3[m]> MR submitted. Woot!
[21:45] <arraybolt3[m]> liblxqt mostly done, just have to do copyright and symbols now.
[21:47] <arraybolt3[m]> Actually I see there's some work that Simon's done for me that I need to upstream.
[21:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Alright that was easy.
[21:58] <arraybolt3[m]> Random licensing question - is it legal to include a GPL-2+ source code file in a repo that is LGPL-2.1+? Or does that make it so that the whole repo is actually GPL-2+? I'm pretty sure the latter is true, which causes some... problems... with liblxqt.
[22:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: liblxqt has a serious licensing problem>
[22:09] <arraybolt3[m]> It's licensed under LGPL-2.1+... but it includes a file that is GPL-2+, which makes the whole thing GPL-2+. I think that's problematic.
 "It's licensed under LGPL-2.1+......" <- Which specific file?
[22:28] <arraybolt3[m]> lxqtbacklight.cpp and lxqtbacklight.h so far.
 "Random licensing question - is..." <- Time for me to re-read the longtexts... :)
[22:29] <arraybolt3[m]> I asked in ubuntu-devel, juliank seems to think that the latter is true, and I'm pretty sure from my reading that that's how it works.
[22:46] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#AllCompatibility
[22:47] <tsimonq2> Here's what I'll tell you on this one...
[22:48] <tsimonq2> Yes, it is an issue for upstream, specifically because zero proprietary works can be based on liblxqt, at all. With wing-menu having no licensing, it adds an additional argument for not shipping it
[22:49] <tsimonq2> I think back to the reason Qt is dual-licensed... for open source projects, it is okay to use Qt, as long as they maintain compatibility. That's what allows KDE and LXQt to exist
[22:49] <tsimonq2> That being said, if you start developing proprietary software on top of Qt, it's not permissible to do so without paying a fee to the Qt Company
[22:51] <tsimonq2> The same is the case here. In Debian and Ubuntu, we only ship software that is free (not gratis. free) and separate other software into restricted and multiverse, depending on the Canonical support (contrib and non-free for Debian)
[22:52] <tsimonq2> I don't think this presents a problem for us in shipping it. As long as each file is explicitly marked as what it's licensed upstream, there should not be an issue with shipping it. I would defer to vorlon for a final opinion on that, although he is a pretty popular guy these days :)
[22:52] <tsimonq2> That being said, I would immediately file an upstream bug letting them know that any GPL-2 licensed code makes the entire project GPL-2
[22:53] <arraybolt3[m]> The problem I'm seeing is with making the copyright file - do I state that it's licensed under GPL-2+ (since it is), or just stick with what upstream says, inaccurate though it may be?
[22:53] <tsimonq2> Explicitly note the upstream files that are GPL-2 vs LGPL-2 respectively, I
[22:53] <tsimonq2> * respectively, I'd say
[22:53] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, will do.
[22:55] <tsimonq2> Another route, if this really bugs you, would be to email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>before going upstream
[22:55] <tsimonq2> As per https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#copyright-considerations :)
[22:59] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, I have to go afk, like, right now, and probably won't be back until tomorrow night. Thank you so much for everything!
[22:59] <arraybolt3[m]> 👋
[23:07] <tsimonq2> Cya, good luck :)
[23:40] <tsimonq2> Good news: it's likely LXQt 1.2 will be ready to test for Backports Staging tonight, and will also land in the proposed pocket of Lunar


[20:16] <tomvolek> morning,  does anyone know where can i find com.sun.java.swing.plaf.nimbus.NimbusLookAndFeel package
[20:16] <tomvolek> running SUNJDK 6.10


[19:15] <akshmakov> @belkinsa I thought I might catch you here
[19:16] <akshmakov> I was just wondering what I could help with on the project
[19:16] <akshmakov> I'm not particularly good at wiki work, but I have experience with software packages in varying fields
[19:18] <akshmakov> I was thinking about writing up how to set up an OpenCL compute environment in ubuntu, and basic library usage to solve large computational problems
[20:25] <belkinsa> akshmakov, I can help you with the markup but the not info that will go on the page.
[20:25] <akshmakov> I was more wondering what would be the most helpful thing to start with
[20:26] <belkinsa> Oh, I guess an introduction on what it is then the steps on setting it up.
[20:29] <belkinsa> And I guess you could check if there is already a page on it in the wiki.


[04:43] <pitti> Good morning
[05:50] <tvoss_> pitti, ping
[05:50] <pitti> hey tvoss_
[07:00] <dholbach> good morning
[08:55] <darkxst> slangasek, you are patch piloting today?
[08:58] <Laney> I doubt
[08:58] <Laney> he'll be around for several hours yet
[08:59] <darkxst> Laney, oh right, I still cant work out all the timezones ;)
[08:59] <Laney> I just type "Time in XXX" into google :P
[09:01] <xnox> I have a few locations in my datetime indicator: a couple across usa, utc, a couple in europe and beijing. =) and steve is west coast.
[09:05] <xnox> What is the standard location: http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ or http://ports.ubuntu.com/ ? they seemed to be the same...?
[09:06] <cjwatson> d-i prefers the former
[09:07] <xnox> ok, thanks.
[12:23] <hyperair> pitti: hid-generic 0005:045E:0762.0019: input,hidraw3: BLUETOOTH HID v0.13 Keyboard [Microsoft Bluetooth Mobile Keyboard 6000 <-- this keyboard has nothing in /sys/class/power_supply/ and nothing in upower --dump
[12:24] <pitti> hyperair: ah, too bad; thanks anyway! I got three responses for the sysfs dump now, should be enough to construct a test case
[12:25] <hyperair> :)
[12:25] <hyperair> okay good
[13:12] <doko> kees, hardening defaults ping
[13:18] <pitti> FourDollars: hey, still here?
[13:24] <pitti> FourDollars: I'm afraid I need some more data for bug 1153488, I followed up there with a question
[14:00] <FourDollars> pitti: ack
[14:01] <pitti> FourDollars: I only became aware that you determine mouse vs. keyboard from the "bluetooth" parent device, and the dumps didn't include those
[14:02] <FourDollars> pitti: Yes.
[14:02] <FourDollars> I will collect the data for you. Wait a minute.
[14:03] <pitti> FourDollars: no hurry; thanks!
[14:05] <Ampelbein> Hmm: "internal compiler error: Segmentation fault" on armhf and powerpc in the same source file. But not on amd64/i386. Who to contact to get this investigated?
[14:06] <xnox> Ampelbein: usually you should have pre-processed source file available and together with it you can file a bug against e.g. gcc-4.8
[14:06] <xnox> Ampelbein: without pre-processed source file there is little to get investigated. Do you have it?
[14:06] <Ampelbein> xnox: But I have neither armhf and powerpc.
[14:07] <xnox> Ampelbein: so where did you get the failure?
[14:07] <Ampelbein> xnox: This happens on the build-servers (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mrpt/1:1.0.2-1/)
[14:08] <Ampelbein> So I would need someone (from canonical?) to copy the preprocessed source out of the build-chroot?
[14:08] <xnox> Ampelbein: it's gone and destroyed.
[14:10] <Ampelbein> Hmm, ok.
[14:10] <xnox> Ampelbein: same is happening in debian https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=mrpt thus a FTBFS bug can be filed there as well. And on debian there are porters / porter boxes that a few people have access to to re-run builds.
[14:11] <FourDollars> pitti: There is no output from `grep -r . /sys/class/power_supply /sys/class/bluetooth`. Change it to `grep -r . /sys/class/power_supply/*hci* /sys/class/bluetooth/*hci*`?
[14:12] <Ampelbein> xnox: Ok, will file a bug in Debian, thank you.
[14:15] <knocte> Cimi: ping
[14:20] <pitti> FourDollars: hm, should be necessary
[14:20] <pitti> FourDollars: are you running saucy?
[14:20] <pitti> FourDollars: in that case, it might be easiest and best to install umockdev and do "umockdev-record --all > /tmp/out.txt" and attach that
[14:21] <FourDollars> pitti: no. I run Ubuntu 12.04.
[14:21] <pitti> FourDollars: this will provide a complete dump of all devices
[14:21] <pitti> FourDollars: ah, ok
[14:22] <pitti> FourDollars: ah, perhaps this:
[14:22] <pitti> grep -r . /sys/class/power_supply/* /sys/class/bluetooth/*
[14:24] <FourDollars> ok
[14:28] <FourDollars> pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/1153488/comments/23
[14:30] <pitti> FourDollars: splendid, thank you!
[14:30] <FourDollars> pitti: no problem. :)
[14:47] <slangasek> darkxst_: yes, what's up?
[14:53] <JoshStrobl> fwd from #ubuntu-quality:  Would this be the right place to go if I wanted to propose a particular application be removed from USC?
[14:57] <tedg> ev, Reading your mail about high CPU usage services.
[14:57] <tedg> ev, Seems to me that we could make it opt-in.  Then "bringing it to the desktop" would be a service by service thing.
[14:57] <tedg> ev, Perhaps by adding a stanza to the upstart job config?
[14:58] <tedg> ev, Something similar to the respawn limits
[14:58] <ev> tedg: so the whitelist approach was discussed but the worry was that we wouldn't catch things like the ueventd bug
[14:58] <ev> because we couldn't anticipate them going proper mental
[14:59] <tedg> ev, The whitelist would be "everything on phone" where the set is smaller, no?  I mean we could grep for it and generate bugs.
[15:01] <ev> tedg: hm? I mean in the general sense, going with a whitelist approach on the desktop means that we'll miss whatever we don't anticipate spinning out of control
[15:01] <ev> unless I misunderstand what you're suggesting?
[15:02] <tedg> ev, Sure, on the desktop.  But I think that it's an unbounded problem to watch everything.  You don't want to kill my SETI@Home.
[15:02] <pitti> or totem or the flash plugin, etc. (this has already been discussed via mail)
[15:02]  * tedg has a prime refactorting botnet.  No reason.
[15:03] <pitti> tedg: hah, recovered your lost secret GPG key yet? :-)
[15:03] <ev> true, so whitelist rather than blacklist might be best
[15:03] <ev> tedg: would you mind following up to the ML post with this? :)
[15:03] <tedg> ev, Heh, sure.
[15:03] <pitti> would "everything that provides a D-BUS service" be a good first bite into teh whitelist?
[15:04] <tedg> pitti, No, but I have kees' so we're good, mine isn't as useful.
[15:04] <tedg> pitti, +1
[15:05] <tedg> Perhaps we could detect the case and generate a recoverable error for folks not in the whitelist.
[15:18] <hallyn_> jamespage: hey, are you around still?
[15:18] <jamespage> hallyn_, yes
[15:18] <hallyn_> jamespage: was wondernig if you'd had any thoughts on the likewise-open bug situation
[15:20] <jamespage> hallyn_, I've not look at it hard yet
[15:20] <jamespage> but I reckons there are a load of bugs that can be duped up
[15:20] <jamespage> I'm assuming that ubuntu-server was not a bug subscriber until recently right?
[15:20] <hallyn_> jamespage: ok.  I will probably take an overly broad brush and do that, and beg the reporters' forgiveness if I err.
[15:20] <hallyn_> that's my assumption too :)
[15:21] <hallyn_> all the old bug will drown out new, valid ones, so i'd like to just mark them invalid actually
[15:21] <hallyn_> and ask the reporters to respond and re-set to new if they still have the problem
[15:21] <pitti> hallyn_: you could set them to "incomplete" with "does this still happen in saucy?" and let them time out
[15:22] <jamespage> pitti, alot of them look like dist-upgrades to lucid
[15:22] <jamespage> so I'd rather not do that
[15:22] <pitti> not for those where this quetsion obviously doesn't make sense, of course :)
[15:23] <hallyn_> jamespage: so if a dist-upgrade to lucid failed on likewise-open, is it fair to assume that the reporter must've gotten past it by now?
[15:23] <hallyn_> i.e. mark invalid and ask to re-open?
[15:23] <hallyn_> any which were not dis-tupgrades, set to incomplete?
[15:23] <jamespage> sounds reasonable
[15:24]  * jamespage worries about the state of likewise-open in distro
[15:24] <jamespage> it does not get much love anymore
[15:24] <hallyn_> pitti: thanks for the suggestion, will do that for a bunch
[15:24] <hallyn_> jamespage: yeah i've considered spending a day to try it out so i can be better able to look over it
[15:24] <hallyn_> wasn't kirkland at one point our resident expert? :)
[15:24] <jamespage> maybe - I'm not sure
[15:25] <jamespage> I'm not 100% clear why its in the supported seed
[15:25] <hallyn_> i just .. have *never* used it.
[15:25] <hallyn_> yeah
[15:25] <hallyn_> Daviey: ^ do you know how that showed up?
[15:25] <kirkland> hallyn_: jamespage: likewise?  I think that was dendrobates' doing
[15:26] <kirkland> hallyn_: jamespage: I think dendrobates, soren, or ttx might remember
[15:27]  * jamespage is slightly embarresed he had to lookup who dendrobates whas
[15:27] <jamespage> (sorry)
[15:27] <kirkland> jamespage: heh :-)
[15:27] <hallyn_> kirkland: i meant it showing up in server supported seed
[15:27] <kirkland> jamespage: hallyn_: yeah, looking at likewise-open's debian/changelog, it was dendrobates (Rick Clark) that packaged it originally;  I think he pushed the MIR as well
[15:28] <Sweetshark> no seb128 today?
[15:28] <kirkland> hallyn_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/likewise-open/+bug/201537
[15:28] <kirkland> hallyn_: oh, that one is zul's :-)
[15:28] <jamespage> oh zul... deary me
[15:28] <ttx> kirkland: at those times, integration with AD was seen as a key feature
[15:29] <zul> what did i do now?
[15:29] <ttx> and likewise-open was basically the component that was supposed to allow us doing it
[15:29] <ttx> so it was more of a product management thing
[15:29] <kirkland> ttx: :-)
[15:29] <kirkland> ttx: so let's blame nijaba, then :-)
[15:29] <jamespage> I can see the context - thanks for clearing that up ttx
[15:29] <ttx> always blame nijaba
[15:29] <kirkland> ttx: howdy, btw!
[15:29] <ttx> howdy!
[15:42] <dendrobates> jamespage: lol
[15:42] <jamespage> dendrobates, sorry :-)
[15:43] <dendrobates> no worries
[17:39]  * kees looks forward to tedg's impersonation of him
[18:17]  * tedg does his best kees: "Oh, look, I've got a goatee and all my IP traffic is coming from Siberia"  ;-)
[18:17]  * tedg probably shouldn't quit his day-job
[18:42] <kees> tedg: hehe, A++ would be impersonated again


[02:14] <KombuchaKip> Thoughts? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/1077521
[23:35] <Sebboh> Months ago, I did bzr branch lp:leo-editor, or something like that.  Today I want to update my working copy with the latest changes from the same place I got the content from originally.  Unfortunately, I tried a few commands and left my workspace in some modified state.
[23:35] <Sebboh> How can I discard every local change and update to the latest revision?
[23:38] <Sebboh> After doing a bzr revert, bzr status still shows modified: .. and then lists what seems to be every file, with an * after each one.
[23:39] <fullermd> That would be +/-x, so some mismatch with the FS.
[23:40] <Sebboh> When you say +/-x, does that mean the executable bit doesn't match?
[23:41] <spiv> Right.
[23:41] <spiv> I'd have expected bzr revert to fix that, though :/
[23:42] <spiv> But if it doesn't, you could manually flip the x bit on those files.
[23:42] <Sebboh> It can't.  Fake filesystem, ignores calls to chmod.  :)  I'll move the repo to a proper filesystem and try again...
[23:43] <fullermd> That would be why revert doesn't get it to expected  :)
[23:43] <spiv> Ah, no wonder bzr revert can't fix it then :)
[23:43] <Sebboh> (virtualbox host<-->guest filesystem sharing between win7 host and debian guest. Work computer.. :P )
[23:43] <Sebboh> Yes. :)
[23:45] <Sebboh> incidentally, bzr is much faster on ext4.
[23:45] <Sebboh> hardlinks?


[12:04] <danialbehzadi> Hey all,
[12:04] <danialbehzadi> Where can I find the source of latest main Ubuntu website?
[12:16] <cjohnston> danialbehzadi: I don't believe its public. What do you need?
[12:17] <danialbehzadi> cjohnston: To translate it for the main page of Ubuntu-ir website
[12:18] <cjohnston> I'm not sure what to tell you
[20:16] <mhall119> cjohnston: are you overly attached to bzr_apps in summit?
[20:37] <cjohnston> nope
[20:54] <mhall119> ok, I'm taking the opportunity to remove things that really aren't needed anymore
[21:16] <cjohnston> cool
[21:16] <cjohnston> as we go, please try making things pass flake8 testing
[21:18] <cjohnston> mhall119: I wonder about OLD_REGISTRATION_FORM_VIEW... It isn't 'old' per se.. maybe s/OLD_REGISTRATION_FORM_VIEW/DEFAULT_REGISTRATION_FORM_VIEW?
[21:31] <mhall119> cjohnston: in the test case you mean?
[21:32] <cjohnston> sorry.. I misread, I thought that was in the view.. if its only in the test case, I don't think I care
[21:34] <mhall119> yeah, it's in the test


[15:23] <lamont> doko_: btw, killed and requing ppc/gcc-snapshot - I need the machine, and that build will take more than my window
[15:26] <doko_> lamont: ppc? should be armel ...
[15:26] <lamont> doko_: no, should be ppc.  I need to do some stuff on both adare and roos
[15:26] <doko_> lamont: ahh, fine. did think about the manual build
[15:26] <lamont> armel is so "after london sleeps"
[15:43] <lamont> doko_: expecting a backlog, so I have gcc-snapshot queued at the end of main, ahead of universe, for when things come back


[06:19]  * HedgeMage peeks in
[16:43] <wpgmb> grrrrr.... known bug in /etc/sysctl.conf seems to prevent me from forwarding.  Gonna try tonight with disabling onboard NIC and adding second pci nic. Perhaps a driver issue?
[19:10] <highvoltage> hey nubae
[20:35] <sbalneav> !seen laserjock
[20:35] <sbalneav> !last laserjock
[20:35] <sbalneav> !help
[21:06] <ogra> !boo
[21:18] <sbalneav> !don't know anything about
[21:18] <sbalneav> ARRRGH
[21:18] <sbalneav> To tail recursion then
[21:19] <sbalneav> /To/No/
[21:26] <ogra> heh
[21:26] <ogra> i think i have seen him two days ago in #ubuntu-bugs
[22:45] <RichEd> HedgeMage: ping ??