[00:02] <k1l_> studio__: have alook: https://appstore.bhdouglass.com/apps
[00:02] <studio__> thanks
[00:05] <studio__> sorry for my "stupid" questions, but in the moment i try to compare Ubuntu-Touch vs. Android vs. iOS vs. Windows-Phone ...
[00:06] <k1l_> the questions are not the problem. you not accepting the answers you receive is a problem
[00:07] <studio__> so, how to fix the problems?
[00:07] <k1l_> wait till someone fixes the problem or help to fix the problem.
[00:08] <k1l_> or pay someone to fix the problem :)
[00:08] <studio__> come on, i thought ubuntu-touch will use same security as ubuntu
[00:08] <k1l_> studio__: see? you go again into passive-aggressive mode
[00:09] <studio__> you do not like questions about ubuntu-touch and security :(
[00:09] <k1l_> studio__: i explained several times not that you are not helping with asking the same question every 10 minutes
[00:10] <k1l_> its more people get annoyed and dont want to help you fix the problem anymore.
[00:10] <k1l_> so: what do you want to do to get ubuntu-touch more secure communication choices?
[00:11] <studio__> so, "i try to help" to show what is missing  !
[00:11] <k1l_> just asking the same question in here again and again and to blame ubuntu touch and talk bad about is not helping
[00:11] <studio__> and i am not "agressive" ...
[00:11] <k1l_> so: what are you going to do?
[00:12] <studio__> read, i am showing what is missing ...
[00:12] <k1l_> no
[00:13] <studio__> no?
[00:13] <k1l_> you are repeating over and over again what you demand
[00:13] <studio__> no
[00:13] <k1l_> you even dont read what i linked to you.
[00:14] <studio__> compare to jolla, they also have "problems" with a sip-client
[00:14] <k1l_> you have your opinion and want it your way. and if its not your way you get annoying. sorry but that is the way little babys act.
[00:14] <k1l_> studio__: so what do you want to do to help ubuntu touch?
[00:15] <studio__> sure!!!
[00:15] <studio__> what do you think why i bought the E4.5?
[00:16] <k1l_> i said before i dont know why you bought the e4.5 at all
[00:16] <k1l_> the nexus devices are the development devices.
[00:16] <studio__> because bq told me it will be the first ubuntu-phone
[00:18] <k1l_> if you had choose an already supported device (like the nexus or other on the linked page) you could use ubuntu-touch already
[00:19] <studio__> why should i buy a google-phone to use ubuntu-touch? this is nuts ....
[00:20] <k1l_> because the nexus devices come with an open bootloader and published kernels and drivers
[00:20] <studio__> so the nexus is using kernel 3.13 or higher?
[00:21] <k1l_> which nexus? and why kernel 3.13 or higher?
[00:21] <studio__> is it or not?
[00:24] <studio__> don't like this question?
[00:24] <matv1> studio__ why don't you leave? there absolutely nothing constructive about your questions.
[00:24] <k1l_> ok, enough of you agressive attitude
[00:26] <k1l_> studio__: you dont have a clue at all. you dont know nothing about kernels, hardware or software development. yet you make a big fuzz and be annoying. so get your  work done yourself and dont bother others because its not going like you want
[00:26] <studio__> why agressive? just a simple question. you said all is open source ...
[00:27] <studio__> i understood to use a lower kernel, but why are you so agressive?
[00:28] <k1l_> i was grabbing some links for you to inform you how you could contribute with bugs or whishlists to get your ideas into ubuntu-touch
[00:28] <studio__> @matv1, please, gimme a advice ...
[00:29] <k1l_> but since have a very aggressive and bad attitude i dont linke  them to secure the team of your aggressivness.
[00:29] <k1l_> and you would not read them anyway.
[00:30] <studio__> "but since have a very aggressive and bad attitude" i do not have !!! i only have questions ...
[00:30] <k1l_> so the channel knows you want secure email , secure voice call and secure video calls. you can leave now and see in some time if ubuntu-touch includes that then.
[00:31] <studio__> what about simple video calls?
[00:31] <studio__> what about libre office?
[00:31] <k1l_> studio__: you dont have questions. questions would mean you are open to answers and accept the answers. but you dont accept answers so you just want to state your demands.
[00:31] <k1l_> we already read that, too
[00:32] <studio__> ok, gimme an answer about libre office
[00:32] <matv1> studio__  I am afraid the only advice I can give you is to go away.  k1l_ is right. You should have been kicked a long time ago.
[00:32] <k1l_> studio__: already answered
[00:32] <k1l_> we saw your demand for libreoffice, too. so you can leave now
[00:33] <studio__> did i missed something? where did you answered the question about libre office?
[00:33] <k1l_> studio__: you can leave now. we saw your demand for libreoffice
[00:35] <studio__> @matv1, sorry but to kick/ban a user will not answer the question
[00:36] <studio__> i thought here is "open mind", isn't it?
[00:36] <k1l_> studio__: where is your open mind?
[00:37] <studio__> that's the question ...
[00:37]  * matv1 is ignoring studio__
[00:41] <matv1> why ppl enjoy trolling i will never understand
[01:02] <maclesea> Hi, I've recently installed Ubuntu touch on a Nexus 4 - is Ubuntu Touch on the Nexus 4 supposed to be capable of performing the "convergence" feature of booting the full Ubuntu once the phone is connected to a monitor via HDMI???
[01:03] <k1l_> maclesea: afaik not yet.
[01:05] <maclesea> bummer :-\  Ok, good to know - thanks :-)
[01:28] <k1l_> maclesea: at the moment only the ubuntu phone uses the new unity and the new MIR xserver. but for 16.04 that should be standard on the desktop, too.
[01:43] <nhaines> k1l_: sabdfl says not 16.04.
[01:45] <k1l_> not 16.04? but when?
[01:46] <nhaines> When it's ready.
[01:46] <k1l_> ah ok.
[01:47] <nhaines> Maybe 16.10?
[01:47] <k1l_> 16.04 will be packed anyway.
[01:47] <nhaines> I'm not convinced it's going to be that exciting for anyone not on a laptop or tablet or phone.  But I'm looking forward to it anyway.
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> is there a way to show new apps and scopes released ontop of ubuntu app store?
[06:35] <Saleesh> Hi
[06:35] <Saleesh> i just wanted to know, is there a ubuntu touch version for the samsung galaxy tab 2 GT P3100?
[06:36] <Saleesh> i found a link which says, it is possible to install ubuntu touch on the tab 2
[06:36] <Saleesh> but i was unable to get hold of the complete details
[06:36] <Saleesh> could somebody help with this pls
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> !devices | Saleesh
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> Saleesh: also check the XDA forums for your device
[06:38] <Saleesh> sure
[06:38] <Saleesh> thanks :)
[07:17] <clitjes> popey: Do you know when the porting guide is comming?
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting coming soon... :p
[07:22] <clitjes> yea but they told me that it would be out last friday ;-)
[07:22] <clitjes> not that it really matters tho, but I'm so eager to get started :D
[07:22] <clitjes> do you know although the other one is obsolete, is it still usefull?
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> wich devices are you trying to port?
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> clitjes: see if your device is on the XDA forums
[07:30] <dholbach> good morning
[07:33] <ulrichard> I read in the news that ubuntu phone is not centered on apps. Last year I read, that android apps can be installed.
[07:35] <clitjes> lotuspsychje: Ok I will but I would like to follow the official guide from A-Z
[07:35] <clitjes> ulrichard: I'm also wondering about running android apps
[08:18] <ulrichard> Can I run a bitcoin wallet app on ubuntu phone?
[08:42] <popey> ulrichard: there is a bitcoin wallet app in the store.
[08:42] <popey> ulrichard: https://appstore.bhdouglass.com/app/org.sambull.bitcoin-app
[08:47] <ulrichard> popey: That's great. Thanks for the link.
[09:30] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Clean Out Your Computer Day! :-D
[11:32] <Flexman> whil i like the idea, i don't get the sense of ubuntu touch yet. are there current devices where you can install it without problems?
[11:34] <k1l> !devices | Flexman
[11:36] <k1l> Flexman: yes there are. see the devices list. the idea of using ubuntu-touch with the swipe from all sides is quite a different experience to the very similar approach from android and iphone.
[11:37] <Flexman> k1l: ok, thats three devices
[11:37] <Flexman> and what's the approach in comarison to sailfish OS?
[11:37] <k1l> Flexman: that are the development devices. yes. but scroll down
[11:38] <k1l> i am not familiar with the sailfish OS
[11:39] <Flexman> k1l: yes, but even the working ports are very experimental. e.g. the version for the Galaxy S2 says "Not working: Calls/SMS". lol
[11:39] <Flexman> i know it's not the fault of ubuntu that drivers are not open, but it makes things useless somehow
[11:40] <k1l> Flexman: yes, that is the issue with the ARM section not shipping drivers and with no generic drivers available.
[11:41] <Flexman> :-( i really hope fore more open phones to come. would be nice if they get as open as computers are
[11:41] <k1l> its like the pc section in the very beginning, driver wise. or even worse
[11:41] <Flexman> on the other hand: the normal Ubuntu seems to work via usb-stick on my Surface Pro, so why doesn't Ubuntu Touch?
[11:43] <k1l> ubuntu touch is based on the new unity8 and mir. the regular ubuntu is still the unity7 with x11 server. the surface is intel pc cpu, so i bet the generic pc drivers work there
[11:43] <Flexman> ok, so the problem is, that there is just no easy ready-to-install package for usb-stick boot?
[11:44] <Flexman> concering arm: isn't the fairphone open?
[11:44] <ogra_> Flexman, there is the "Ubuntu Next" desktop imagfe (which is currently largely the phone UI and slowlky being moved to behave like the desktop of unity7
[11:45] <ogra_> that should work on an x86 surface i guess
[11:45] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/current/
[11:48] <ogra_> Flexman, no phone is open ... modem, sensor and largely the graphics drivers are usually all fully closed and oyu have to use binary drivers ... even on the fairphone
[11:50] <ogra_> The manufacturers of these components simply dont open their specs ... there is some reverse engineerig of graphics drivers going on but thats still far from done
[11:51] <ogra_> (and only for certain sets of these chips weher you actually *can* reverse engineer)
[12:15] <tsdgeos> Mirv: ping
[12:16] <Mirv> tsdgeos: pong
[12:16] <tsdgeos> Mirv: you sure https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-messages/+bug/1418505 is becaue of 5.4?
[12:16] <tsdgeos> i tried vivid alone and i'm getting the same problem
[12:17] <tsdgeos> Mirv: could you try?
[12:18] <Mirv> tsdgeos: that's a question to davmor2
[12:18] <tsdgeos> oh right :D
[12:18] <tsdgeos> didn't realize it wasn't you that file the bug
[12:18] <Mirv> if it's on vivid too, then we can lose the qt5.4 tag
[12:18] <tsdgeos> davmor2: ↑↑↑
[12:18] <Mirv> tsdgeos: there are some such bugs in LP, even :)
[12:18] <Flexman> ogra_: hm, this is annoying... would it be more open on a x86-phone?
[12:18] <Mirv> but yes I modified it
[12:19] <Mirv> davmor2: by the way thanks to tsdgeos landing-005 now has all the previously found Qt 5.4 (runtime) issues fixed
[12:19] <ogra_> Flexman, nope ... the components would still be the same
[12:19] <ogra_> there is no open modem at all afaik
[12:20] <ogra_> not sure if any sensores exist with open drivers, i have not seen any ... there are some GPS chips with open drivers i think but then it depends on the manufacturere if he uses these specific ones
[12:21] <ogra_> so in the end it always boils down to having to use binary drivers that were compiled against android
[12:22] <ogra_> (this is not different in sailfixh or firefoxOS btw ... we all suffer the same issue here)
[12:22] <ogra_> *sailfish
[12:22] <ogra_> (and we all solved the issue differently :) )
[12:23]  * Stskeeps concurs
[12:25] <Flexman> hmm...
[12:25] <Flexman> and i guess since there are only few manufacturers nowadays you can't feature open hardware
[12:25] <ogra_> there is no open hardware ... thats the point
[12:26] <ogra_> if you want to make calls you will have to have a modem
[12:26] <ogra_> and as stated above, there are no oipen ones
[12:27] <popey> I went to a talk at FOSDEM about replicant. The amount of work (including desoldering components from a manufactured phone) the dev goes through to get a "fully FLOSS" phone is astounding. And a bit depressing.
[12:28] <Mirv> tsdgeos: he's not online today so better ask on the bug
[12:28] <ogra_> so at least this component is closed in any case and you havce to use a closed driver ... if you are a phone manufacturer, why then bother to have open stuff for other bits if that is just more expensive
[12:29] <Stskeeps> popey: were you in the panel session about this stuff as well where i was in? (lameere)
[12:29] <ogra_> (which it most likely is, since the components you want to use are simply not the mass market ones)
[12:29] <popey> Stskeeps: no, i didnt know when or where that was
[12:29] <Stskeeps> ah, it was instead of a cancelled talk by somebody from FSF or FSFE i think
[12:29] <popey> i saw an irc ping too late about it
[12:30] <popey> was it videoed?
[12:30] <Stskeeps> we had a good discussion about this stuff from different spectrums
[12:30] <Stskeeps> i hope so
[12:30] <Stskeeps> we're all so terribly screwed when it comes to this stuff, even on hw level, especially from pov of backdoors etc
[12:30] <ogra_> yeah
[12:30] <ogra_> Stskeeps, were any manufacturers there ?
[12:30] <popey> btw the readme from john-mcaleely at http://people.canonical.com/~jhm/barajas/ should answer your GPL question.
[12:31] <popey> linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[12:31] <Stskeeps> ogra_: i think somebody who were making allwinner based solutions but that's it
[12:31] <ogra_> :/
[12:31] <ogra_> as expected
[12:31] <john-mcaleely> Stskeeps, yeah. been up for a while (long enough for that README to have bitrot), but I'll put up the latest & greatest shortly
[12:31] <Stskeeps> alright, i'll take a look
[12:32] <Stskeeps> curious to see how you guys handle it as well, so :)
[12:37] <john-mcaleely> Stskeeps, hopefully we can evolve the logistics beyond a tarball, to the same github repo BQ host their android kernels in.
[12:37] <john-mcaleely> (now we're public)
[12:43] <Flexman> ogra_: hm. and i guess a small company can't order open hardware parts that are competitive, can they?
[12:43] <Flexman> or let's say design such thigns
[12:43] <ogra_> right
[12:44] <ogra_> even a large company cant ... if they want to stay competitive
[12:44] <ogra_> cents count :)
[13:10] <popey> ogra_: how do we enable ssh on the phone these days?
[13:11] <popey> I need to update the wiki, it seems outdated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes#Accessing_the_device_over_SSH
[13:11] <ogra_> adb shell "android-gadget-service enable ssh"
[13:11] <popey> ta
[13:11]  * popey updates wiki
[13:11] <ogra_> (or from the terminal app)
[13:17] <Flexman> ogra_: hmm. how about a phone with an old chipset and ArOS as operating system :)
[13:17] <Flexman> or a C64 phone where the GSM functions technically are connected via User-Port!
[13:17] <popey> rvr: jibel I did some analysis, I suspect you got the url-dispatcher crash because you didn't refresh the dash when installed r830. If you refresh the dash you do _not_ get the crash.
[13:18] <popey> rvr: jibel so I would like to argue this is a "pass" for music app, as you've just re-produced an already existing dash bug.
[13:18] <rvr> popey: I couldn't reproduce the crash after rebooting the phone
[13:19] <jibel> popey, it'd also means that the crash won't happen when the app is on the image?
[13:19] <rvr> jibel: I think so
[13:19] <popey> correct
[13:19] <jibel> rvr, popey OK to mark it as pass
[13:19] <popey> thanks guys.
[13:20] <rvr> popey: Moved the card to passed.
[13:20] <popey> thanks!
[13:20] <popey> clear to upload to the store?
[13:21] <ogra_> Flexman, well, find such a phone and feel free to port ubuntu to it :)
[13:24] <Flexman> ogra_: why using ubuntu when it could run aros??
[13:24] <Flexman> but how about the raspberry pi? isn't it more open than some phones?
[13:25] <ogra_> LOL
[13:26] <ogra_> no, the RPi is a pile of closed stuff
[13:26] <ogra_> even needs a binary bootloader blob
[13:26] <ogra_> if you want an open board go for a beaglebone
[13:26] <simosx> When I connect the bq E4.5 (Ubuntu Edition) through USB to an Ubuntu 14.04.1, I get the following errors: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10142280/
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> i've read an article that snappy can be installed on raspberry
[13:28] <Flexman> ogra_: but there is an arduino phone. also too much closed stuff?
[13:28] <simosx> lotuspsychje, that's for the new quad-core RPi
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> ah okay
[13:28] <ogra_> Flexman, can you imagine running a full OS on an arduino ?
[13:28] <Flexman> ogra_: sure. CP/M!
[13:30] <Flexman> call 1231543 /o /q
[13:33] <Flexman> ogra_: the question is how long these things can be powered by battery, is it?
[13:34] <Flexman> the universities should do more open hardware projects. unfortunately they even in software things are now using more google & co :(
[13:40] <tsdgeos> davmor2: when you have time, please re-check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-messages/+bug/1418505 to see if we can remove the qt5.4 tag
[13:41] <simosx> When I connect the bq E4.5 (Ubuntu Edition) through USB to an Ubuntu 14.04.1, I get the following errors: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10142280/
[13:41] <simosx> → I did a 'reset to factory settings' and now the device shows up as a USB device.
[13:42] <simosx> My issue now is that it does not show up at 'adb devices'.
[13:43] <simosx> Should 'adb devices' show the phone?
[13:43] <tsdgeos> simosx: adb devices is disabled unless you enable developer mode
[13:43] <simosx> tsdgeos, I enabled 'developer mode'.
[13:43] <tsdgeos> ah
[13:44]  * simosx wonders if I should reconnect after I enable dev mode.
[13:44] <tsdgeos> simosx: try toggling it off and on again, sometimes it gets stuck here for no apparent reason (or reboot) (or reconnect the usb)
[13:44] <tsdgeos> one of the three things always ends up wokring :D
[13:50] <simosx> tsdgeos, tried all (toggle off/on, reconnect usb, reboot phone), still does not respond to 'adb devices'.
[13:51] <jgdx> simosx, what ubuntu do you use?
[13:51] <jgdx> vivid, utopic…
[13:51] <ogra_> simosx, and you have the android-tools-adb package installed on your PC ?
[13:52] <jgdx> simosx, if 14.04, you either need a newer package of ^ or do [1]. But maybe ogra_ can confirm. [1] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10142629/
[13:52] <simosx> jgdx, I have trusty (14.04.1).
[13:52] <ogra_> jgdx, eek, no
[13:53] <jgdx> ogra_, oh :|
[13:53] <ogra_> dont fiddle wuth usb.ini ... never ever
[13:53] <jgdx> i had to… back in the day
[13:53] <simosx> "android-tools-adb" Installed: 4.2.2+git20130218-3ubuntu23
[13:53] <ogra_> the android-tools-adb package ships everything you need
[13:53] <ogra_> proper udev rules and the proper device ID for usb
[13:53] <tsdgeos> ogra_: you sure you don't need a newer package? i remember also having some issues with trusty not finding the phone, maybe i didn have android-tools-adb
[13:54] <ogra_> tsdgeos, the PPA has all the latest packages
[13:54] <tsdgeos> ogra_: right, but is simosx using that ppa?
[13:54] <ogra_> oh, i would expect so ... :)
[13:54]  * ogra_ is pretty sure that is explicitly stated on all wiki paes
[13:54] <popey> simosx: does "which `adb`" show the right adb in use?
[13:55] <ogra_> heh, right, you might hit the same issue popey hit today
[13:55] <tsdgeos> without the backquotes, no?
[13:56] <simosx> I just managed to get it to work by adding the vendor ID into ~/.android/adb_usb.ini. I already have an entry there for my other phone, so it's possible the presence of that file caused the problem. Let's check.
[13:57] <ogra_> the presence should be fine, adb wont care
[13:57] <ogra_> but yeah, if you dont use the phablet-tools PPA (which you really should) you might have an old version
[13:58] <simosx> So, with the vendor ID into ~/.android/adb_usb.ini, the phone is detected by 'adb'.
[13:58] <simosx> > which adb
[13:58] <simosx> /usr/bin/adb
[13:58] <ogra_> what did you get as return vale for popey's command above
[13:58] <ogra_> "which adb"
[13:58] <ogra_> ah
[13:58] <simosx> > dpkg -S /usr/bin/adb
[13:58] <simosx> android-tools-adb: /usr/bin/adb
[13:58] <ogra_> fine then
[13:59] <ogra_> 4.2.2+git20130218-3ubuntu23 is pretty old though
[13:59] <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ubuntu/tools/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=trusty
[14:00]  * ogra_ wonders how the android package sneaked into that PPA ... that should not be there
[14:02] <ogra_> simosx, add that PPA ... you will surely also want the pahblet-tools package from there for the more conbveninet phablet-shell ... and prehaps for the pahblet-screenshot commands
[14:02] <ogra_> plain adb shell is painful
[14:02] <simosx> Just added 'ppa:phablet-team/tools', then 'apt-get update/upgrade'. Now, 'adb devices' shows the phone without the 'adb_usb.ini'.
[14:02] <ogra_> \o/
[14:03] <simosx> thanks
[14:16] <jgdx> cyphermox, did the new nm land in rtm?
[14:16] <Tm_T> hi ogra, how one recover from forgetting the password of ubuntu phone? I noticed this new BQ Aquaris phone has some recovery boot mode which has factory reset but I'm unsure if that would leave phone in fuctioning state necessarily
[14:17] <ogra_> Tm_T, i guess thats a question for john-mcaleely
[14:17]  * ogra_ only knows the surface of the recovery magic modes
[14:17] <Tm_T> ogra_: thanks, now I have new lead then (:
[14:18] <Tm_T> john-mcaleely: hi, please take a quick peek to the question above thanks (:
[14:18] <john-mcaleely> Tm_T, factory reset does what is says on the tin. returns you to out-of-box state
[14:18] <Tm_T> john-mcaleely: so I will have working Ubuntu? then it's perfect
[14:19] <john-mcaleely> Tm_T, fully functional ubuntu, yes
[14:19] <Tm_T> woohoo I'm saved!
[14:19] <popey> minus a forgotten password
[14:19] <Tm_T> note to self: never change password when head is not right
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> popey: nice work on that event app!
[14:20] <popey> wat?
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> popey: you got a link to your apps somewhere?
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> dance events
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> thats yours right?
[14:21] <popey> uh, no
[14:21] <ogra_> Tm_T, it will wipe the world though
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> holdon lemme get my n7
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> popey: eventbrite
[14:24] <popey> oh, yes. thats just a webapp
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> i like that one
[14:30] <murali_> Hello there
[14:30] <Tm_T> ogra_: that's allright, I only have few pictures I did not post somewhere yet
[14:30] <Tm_T> all just testing
[14:30] <ricsipontaz> Hi. Can somebody help me? Ubuntu System Settings is fully translated to hungarian language, but the "Rotation Lock" string displays in english.
[14:30] <ricsipontaz> Translation: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings/trunk/+pots/ubuntu-system-settings/hu/+translate?start=0&batch=10&show=untranslated&field.alternative_language=&field.alternative_language-empty-marker=1&old_show=all
[14:31] <murali_> Any help on galaxy note 8 gt n5100
[14:31] <Guest27374> Hello. Ubuntu website says "The world’s first Ubuntu phone is now available for sale all over Europe, direct from the manufacturer, BQ" but I cannot find it. Can somebody give me the link from where I can purchase it?
[14:31] <Tm_T> this phone actually will be wiped at least once this or next week anyway, as I'll let my coworkers to test things
[14:38] <simosx> Guest27374, I think the phone will be available really really  soon from bq.com, however ubuntu.com was too fast to announce.
[14:41] <ogra_> Guest27374, https://twitter.com/bqreaders/status/564745426503745536
[14:45] <boud> sebas: /win 17
[14:45] <boud> erm
[14:45] <simosx> ricsipontaz, I cannot find the 'Rotation Lock' message at that link. There is just 'rotation'.
[14:46] <ricsipontaz> simosx: I think it comes from the indicator-display
[14:47] <ricsipontaz> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+source/indicator-display
[14:48] <simosx> ricsipontaz, that string is present in /usr/share/locale-langpack/hu/LC_MESSAGES/indicator-display.mo on the image in the Ubuntu phone (bq E4.5). What image are you trying?
[14:50] <simosx> Hmm, how do I sudo to root on the bq E4.5?
[14:51] <ricsipontaz> simosx: I only tried it in the emulator
[14:51] <simosx> ricsipontaz, if you can get a shell on the emulator, then you can check if the message is present in Hungarian.
[14:52] <cwayne> simosx: the password is your pin to unlock the phone
[14:52] <simosx> ricsipontaz, run:  msgunfmt /usr/share/locale-langpack/hu/LC_MESSAGES/indicator-display.mo  | grep -A 1 Rotation
[14:52] <simosx> cwayne, thanks.
[14:53] <cwayne> simosx: np :)
[14:57] <ricsipontaz_> simosx: msgid "Rotation" msgstr "Forgatás" -- msgid "Rotation Lock" msgstr "Forgatás zárolása"
[14:57] <ricsipontaz_> But it is still english
[15:08] <simosx> ricsipontaz_, the package 'indicator-display' has only those two messages. The code properly initialises 'gettext', so I cannot figure out why those two messages do not appear in the localized versions.
[15:18] <Kalle_Varvikko> Hi! Is there any chance to get LTE working on Google Nexus 4 with ubuntu-touch?   http://www.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-4-lollipop-lte/
[15:23] <dobey> Kalle_Varvikko: according to that link, it would seem you would simply need to insure the old radio which allows lte is enabled. though i think ofono maybe doesn't work so well with lte/4g at the moment. i pretty much never see lte/4g on my nexus 5 with ubuntu
[15:24] <jacky_> hi
[15:24] <jacky_> anyone
[15:24] <jacky_> looking for ubuntu stable version for i9300
[15:24] <jacky_> anyone please
[15:25] <jacky_> anyone can redirect me to download the rom for ubuntu in i9300?
[15:26] <tsdgeos> mardy: how do I get https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/54_tests and https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/remove_declared_undefined landed?
[15:26] <tsdgeos> will you or shall i ping someone?
[15:26] <josepht> !devices | jacky_
[15:27] <mardy> tsdgeos: I pinged dbarth some time ago. David? ^
[15:30] <kenvandine> rsalveti, how can i turn the mic volume down on mako?
[15:31] <kenvandine> now that i think the robotic sound issue is fixed from flashing the radio, people complain that i'm way to loud when calling from my mako
[15:31]  * kenvandine thinks we should have in-call volume/mic controls :)
[15:33] <ogra_> kenvandine, he is on vac. for two days
[15:33] <kenvandine> ogra_, do you know?
[15:33] <kenvandine> :-D
[15:33] <ogra_> nope
[15:33] <kenvandine> i'm sure i can do it through pulse
[15:33] <k1l> that much hangover from the release party? :)
[15:34] <ogra_> haha, not sure the brazilians had one :)
[15:34]  * ogra_ surely had quite some hangover on sunday :)
[15:34] <ogra_> and an awful trip back home
[15:36] <dobey> kenvandine: i still get complaints about echo on my hammerhead
[15:37] <kenvandine> i don't get echo complaints
[15:37] <kenvandine> just to loud
[15:37] <kenvandine> making it hard to understand
[15:37] <kenvandine> unless the other end pulls the phone away from their ear
[15:38] <dobey> kenvandine: well, stop yelling at the phone
[15:38] <kenvandine> i guess :)
[15:38] <ogra_> dobey, stop phoning from the toilet
[15:38] <kenvandine> haha
[15:38] <dobey> no need to be so angry
[15:39] <dobey> ogra_: stop calling me when i'm dropping a duke :P
[15:39] <ogra_> dude !
[15:39]  * kenvandine roflao
[15:39] <dobey> haha
[15:39] <kenvandine> i'll never call dobey
[15:40] <dobey> ubuntu phone, now with auto-tune
[15:40] <ogra_> as long as we dont ship on devices with nose-sensor all should be fine :)
[15:40] <popey> i spy someone has hadded an FM radio app to the store
[15:40] <ogra_> oooh
[15:40] <popey> it doesn't work on krillin, anyone fancy testing on mako?
[15:40] <ogra_> bah
[15:41]  * ogra_ bets you will find denials in syslo
[15:41] <ogra_> g
[15:41] <dobey> well unless popey wrote the app
[15:41] <popey> defaultServiceProvider::requestService(): no service found for - "org.qt-project.qt.radio"
[15:41] <dobey> and just made it unconfined and approved it anyway :P
[15:42] <popey> haha
[15:42] <popey> we should help the guy
[15:42] <ogra_> popey, well, i guess that needs bzoltan_ or ricmm
[15:42] <dobey> i just get "no fm support" dialog on hammerhead
[15:43] <ogra_> to provide this bit from the SDK
[15:44] <kenvandine> bfiller, has anyone talked about adding in-call volume/microphone volume controls to the dialer?  or maybe just something for settings?
[15:44] <kenvandine> i had never thought about that, but i would love it right now
[15:46] <popey> can you not just use the volume buttons?
[15:46] <ogra_> for speaker volume that works
[15:46] <ogra_> not for the mic
[15:47] <ogra_> (or s/speaker/earpiece/)
[15:47] <dobey> you can put a sock over the mic
[15:47] <kenvandine> i just listened to it on the other end, i was able to put my wife's phone down 3 feet away
[15:47] <kenvandine> and it sounded like a speaker phone
[15:47] <kenvandine> so loud
[15:48] <kenvandine> she didn't complain about the mic volume until i flashed the radio to fix the robot voice :)
[15:48] <dobey> you should go back to the autotune radio
[15:48] <kenvandine> now i don't sound like a distorted robot, but so loud she can't stand it
[15:48] <kenvandine> it's impressive that it can get this loud though
[15:53] <matv1> am I correct in that Telegram scope is not supporting groups(yet) ? some bugreports in lp suggest that it does but i cant find the feature
[15:54] <jacky_> is discontinue
[15:54] <jacky_> anyone can redirect me to download the rom for ubuntu in i9300? is discontinue
[15:54] <ogra_> i surely see roups in mine
[15:54] <ogra_> *groups
[15:54] <ogra_> but i havent created any group ... i have always been added to them by somebody else
[15:55] <ogra_> jacky_, the devices wikipage should have a link to a launchpad page on which you can contact the porter
[15:55] <matv1> ogra_ I am in both but see neither :(
[15:55] <ogra_> !devices
[15:56] <dobey> i really wish amazon had an open API for prime music
[15:58] <bfiller> kenvandine: I have not seen that on the plan
[15:58] <bfiller> kenvandine: are you saying the mic input volume is too loud?
[15:58]  * kenvandine wonders if android does that
[15:58] <kenvandine> yes
[15:58] <kenvandine> it's really loud
[15:58] <varikonniemi> hello, what will the situation be regards to kernel updates since bq ships with blobs
[15:59] <varikonniemi> locked on release kernel if they don't cooperate?
[15:59] <kenvandine> before it was hard to understand... which apparently is a known problem with some older radio firmware versions
[15:59] <dobey> varikonniemi: it will get updates to the kernel version that works with it, when necessary
[15:59] <ogra_> varikonniemi, the ubuntu security team will likely apply security fixes ... beyond that blobs are blobs ... not much to do about it
[15:59] <kenvandine> i flashed it to a newer one, and no longer sounds like a distorted robot :)
[15:59] <kenvandine> bfiller, now it's so loud it sounds like the other end is on speaker phone
[15:59] <Flexman> anyone here who has ubuntu-touch on the HP Touchpad?
[16:00] <kenvandine> bfiller, which made me want a nice slider to control the mic level :)
[16:00] <dobey> Flexman: i don't know of anyone that's ported to that device. i think it has the wrong hardware to be usable
[16:01] <Flexman> dobey: according to the discussion on XDA it seems that it works on the touchpad.
[16:01] <bfiller> kenvandine: yeah that sounds like a system sound setting
[16:01] <Flexman> even better than on other devices
[16:01] <bfiller> rsalveti: any plans for this? ^^
[16:01] <kenvandine> just never seen any designs
[16:01] <kenvandine> bfiller, he's on vacation :)
[16:01] <bfiller> kenvandine: oh
[16:01] <dobey> Flexman: i'd expect that discussion should have info about it then :)
[16:02] <bfiller> kenvandine: the default should be much lower I assume, was this on krillin or N4?
[16:02] <Flexman> sure
[16:02] <kenvandine> i was just looking to tweak it with pulse for now
[16:02] <kenvandine> bfiller, mako
[16:02] <Flexman> but why shouldn't it work on the Touchpad?
[16:02] <kenvandine> it's fine on krillin
[16:02] <bfiller> kenvandine: yes I believe it's a simple pulse config thing
[16:02] <kenvandine> bfiller, the mic level was fine before i flashed the radio too
[16:02] <dobey> Flexman: well you said it does. the touchpad is a pretty old device.
[16:02] <kenvandine> so  pulse hasn't changed
[16:02] <bfiller> kenvandine: what do you mean flashed the radio?
[16:02] <kenvandine> just the firmware
[16:02] <kenvandine> the radio firmware
[16:03] <bfiller> ack
[16:03] <kenvandine> known problem running ubuntu on mako with older firmware
[16:03] <kenvandine> it sounded aweful before
[16:03] <Flexman> dobey: well i hope that ubuntu touch is faaaaast!!
[16:03] <kenvandine> newer firmware fixed that... but made it super loud :-/
[16:03] <Flexman> why would i use a slow system?
[16:05] <dobey> Flexman: because you have old hardware, and it's likely to be slow? :)
[16:05] <Flexman> there is no old hardware, there is just slow software!
[16:05] <Flexman> if the software is too slow then it needs to be re-programmed in assembler!
[16:06] <ogra_> lol
[16:06] <dbarth> tsdgeos: i can silo those 2, let me check that after my call
[16:06] <Flexman> :-)
[16:06] <tsdgeos> dbarth: thanks
[16:07] <dobey> Flexman: feel free to convince hardware vendors to realese their hardware driver source to the public :)
[16:07] <Flexman> i'd better convince the green parties to make a recource-tax on hardware so that it is cheaper to improve software instead.
[16:08] <Flexman> we'd better invent green foodsteps for our hardware-usage :-D
[16:08] <Flexman> eh foot not food
[16:09] <Flexman> dobey: hm public hardware drivers would be nice. hm
[16:09] <Flexman> thats really i problem, i wasn't aware that there really seems to be nothing that is 100% free
[16:09] <tsdgeos> elopio: ping https://code.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/unity8/indicator-power-autopilot-test/+merge/247079
[16:10] <Flexman> dobey: but how was it in the old days? weren't there chips that were compatible to Z80 or 6502?
[16:10] <dobey> Flexman: indeed. we want to get to something where there is 100% open system
[16:11] <dobey> Flexman: yes, feel free to reverse engineer all you want :)
[16:11] <Flexman> ah ok. so it's just because reverse-engineering got more complicated?
[16:11] <elopio> alesage: can you give the last push to https://code.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/unity8/indicator-power-autopilot-test/+merge/247079 ?
[16:11] <elopio> or talk to charles about it?
[16:11] <alesage> elopio, ok can do while we're between sprints here :)
[16:12] <Flexman> dobey: guess i can't do reverse engineering but i wonder what you can do politically to get an open hardware system developed
[16:12] <dobey> Flexman: when you're talking about a single chip which does the work that 10-20 different chips did 30 years ago, yeah, it's a bit more complex :)
[16:12] <elopio> alesage: thanks.
[16:12] <kenvandine> bfiller, actually, it would be better in the sound indicator
[16:12] <dobey> Flexman: buy things that support open systems, and pressure manufacturers to do likewise by showing them it's financially viable when their competitors that support it, sell more stuff :)
[16:12] <kenvandine> bfiller, so like while in a call, you pull down the sound indicator you could have a mic slider
[16:13] <kenvandine> that's only there when the mic is in use
[16:13] <dobey> you should be able to just set the volume in system settings whenever, too
[16:13] <kenvandine> bfiller, i think that's where i would expect it
[16:13] <Flexman> dobey: yes but you just told me today that there is no real open hardware phone :(
[16:13] <kenvandine> dobey, maybe
[16:13] <kenvandine> but the time i would think about it, would be while in a call
[16:13] <kenvandine> so quick access to it makes sense
[16:13] <dobey> kenvandine: you'd need to adjust it when the voice control hud stuff comes back too
[16:14] <dobey> so you can be all like "ok, google"
[16:14] <kenvandine> "ok, ubuntu"
[16:14] <kenvandine> get it right!
[16:14] <ogra_> "ok, sabdfl"
[16:14] <dobey> Flexman: well, ubuntu is much more open than android is, so buy one of the new bq ubuntu phones
[16:14] <kenvandine> gotta have that too!
[16:14] <ogra_> ++
[16:14] <Flexman> dobey: i would like to, but since i prefer keyboard phones, there is none for ubuntu yet
[16:15]  * ogra_ would call it "diane" though ... as a tribute to twin peaks :)
[16:15] <dobey> Flexman: well, good luck with that. nobody seems to make keyboard phones any more
[16:15] <dobey> ogra_: lol
[16:15] <Flexman> dobey: blackberry does. but about openness: the jolla phone with sailfish os has the possibility to add a keyboard
[16:16] <dobey> oh, blackberry still makes phones?
[16:16] <Flexman> dobey: the recent phones even sold well, but i still don't like the company
[16:16] <dobey> they don't have sliders though do they?
[16:16]  * dobey misses using his pre3
[16:17] <ogra_> blackberry makes passports nowadays
[16:17] <Flexman> dobey: no. i'd prefer the blackberry (or Nokia E71, or Palm Treo 650, or Palm Pre style)
[16:17] <Flexman> dobey: +1. Pre was nice.
[16:17]  * dobey wants a properly sized keyboard slider phone
[16:18] <dobey> but alas
[16:18] <Flexman> dobey: well you can port Ubuntu Touch to Jolla. Don't know if that makes sense :-D
[16:18] <ogra_> BT keyboards work already i heard ...
[16:19] <ogra_> you could just gle one to the phone
[16:19] <ogra_> *glue
[16:19] <Flexman> ogra_: yeah hm eh no. ;)
[16:19]  * dobey glues a bt keyboard to ogra_
[16:19] <ogra_> ;)
[16:20] <dobey> Flexman: eh? the jolla phone does not have a sliding keyboard afaict
[16:20] <ogra_> dobey, it has an "other half" with kbd
[16:20] <Flexman> dobey: sure. see: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2028347278/tohkbd-the-other-half-keyboard-for-your-jolla
[16:20] <dobey> that is a rotated add-on thing
[16:21] <ogra_> well ...
[16:21] <dobey> i don't want a rotated big keyboard like that
[16:21] <ogra_> the other half thingies replace the whole back of the phone
[16:21] <Flexman> but i would prefer it in blackberry style, or like the Pre has. But that jolla solution is better than nothing
[16:21] <ogra_> its a slier kbd
[16:21] <ogra_> *slider
[16:21] <Flexman> dobey: no its not rotated. it slides, but is kept my magnets
[16:21] <ogra_> or supposed to be one ... not sure if it is done yet ... i saw some prototype pics
[16:22] <ogra_> turns your jolla into an n900 :)
[16:22] <Flexman> so once you attach the magnets your phone is broken ;-D
[16:22] <dobey> Flexman: i mean it requires rotating the phone
[16:23] <dobey> Flexman: i want a portrait mode slider
[16:23] <dobey> i don't like the huge 90 degree sliders
[16:23] <Flexman> dobey: ah ok. yes, i can understand that. exactly the same preference here
[16:24] <Flexman> well, blackberry is the only company that does this in the moment. their BB Classic has also phone keys and supports android apps. maybe you'd port Ubuntu Touch there!
[16:24] <Siilwyn> Hi people, the BQ phone that is being released this week will have a separate OS on it compared to Ubuntu for desktop right? Will the BQ phone keep receiving updates and eventually get the 'universal' OS on it?
[16:24] <Flexman> i mean, it's not slider but you don't need to rotate
[16:24] <dobey> the pre is the right size. i can hold it and type with one hand while shifting my car while driving, and not have to really look at it to see what i'm doing, because i can feel the keys
[16:25] <Flexman> dobey: yep. i also liked the old palms. like Treo 650. Even the OS synchronizateion was good back then. and without nasty cloud
[16:25] <Flexman> oh, btw: how well does sync in Ubuntu Touch work? and how well will it support keyboard input, if you had such a keyboard phone?
[16:25] <dobey> Siilwyn: how long updates are available for that device will be up to bq
[16:26] <Flexman> features like smart dial & co are essential if you have a keyboard phone
[16:26] <dobey> Flexman: i don't know if it hides the OSK when a real keyboard is being used or not
[16:26] <dobey> but otherwise should work just fine
[16:26] <Flexman> well if the OSK is not hidden it still sucks no mather how fine the rest works :-D
[16:27] <dobey> and only 'supported' 'sync' right now is with google calendar/contacts afaik
[16:27] <Flexman> ouch
[16:27] <Flexman> OUCH
[16:27] <Flexman> and caldav?
[16:28] <Flexman> and hotsync? ;-P
[16:28] <Siilwyn> dobey, oh that's a bummer. I thought that updates wouldn't be carrier dependent.
[16:28] <dobey> Siilwyn: well, if anyone wants to continue trying to maintain builds for the device after bq ends support for it, it's up to that person to do so :)
[16:29] <dobey> Siilwyn: i wouldn't expect it's too likely for it to remain an official build at that point though.
[16:29] <Siilwyn> dobey, oh alright. So it has to be build per device.
[16:30] <Flexman> but there is one thing i could do: releasing an app for ubuntu touch
[16:30] <Flexman> how does that with the apps work? so you can run normal linux programs? and you have special apps?
[16:30] <Flexman> does the mail client support identities/alias adresses?
[16:31] <Flexman> man, we are talking about openness and then only google sync is supported X-(
[16:32] <dobey> Siilwyn: yes
[16:32] <Flexman> can you take advantage from the Sailfish OS? i mean, easily porting apps, sync functin, etc?
[16:32] <dobey> Siilwyn: kernel and drivers are device specific, as are default included apps/scopes and such
[16:33] <Siilwyn> dobey, in that case if I want a (low-end) phone that is going to run the universal Ubuntu in the future. I shouldn't buy the BQ phone?
[16:33] <dobey> there are also regional defaults which have spanish as default language and such for the bq devices for example
[16:33] <Daniel__> hi
[16:33] <dobey> Siilwyn: that is an impossible to answer question
[16:33] <Daniel__> i wanna install ubuntu touch in my nexus 7 2012
[16:34] <dobey> Daniel__: it is not supported any longer
[16:34] <Flexman> dobey: sorry nagging here, but the website really doesn't offer much info about apps or native linux app comatibility
[16:34] <Siilwyn> dobey, yeah I understand that. We don't know what BQ is planning ofc.
[16:34] <dobey> Flexman: the phone doesn't have xorg on it, and doesn't use apt for updates
[16:34] <Daniel__> mmmmm so is not supported... but what can i do?
[16:34] <dobey> Siilwyn: i also don't know what you mean by universal
[16:34] <Siilwyn> Hmmm. I was sure to buy the phone but now I have some big doubts.
[16:34] <Daniel__> i really want linux in my tablet
[16:35] <dobey> Daniel__: get a 2013 nexus 7 instead?
[16:35] <Daniel__> i wort in IT
[16:35] <Siilwyn> dobey, well the plan is to run Ubuntu from one code base on all devices right? So that's what I mean with universal.
[16:35] <dobey> Siilwyn: well that already exists
[16:36] <Flexman> dobey: that means?
[16:36] <Siilwyn> dobey, oh. Well now I'm confused. The phone runs something else right? Not the 'default Ubuntu'.
[16:37] <dobey> Flexman: it means unconfined insecure apps that require X11 don't run on the phone, and you can't install arbitrary things from the archive
[16:37] <Daniel__> so... i don't have any solution?
[16:37] <dobey> Siilwyn: no, it runs Ubuntu
[16:37] <Siilwyn> dobey, oh alright that's good to hear. When did they switch?
[16:37] <dobey> Siilwyn: switch from what? it's always been that way
[16:38] <ogra_> Daniel__, no, sadly not, the old tegra driver has issues that were unsolvable (since it is binary)
[16:39] <dobey> Siilwyn: the core system is built from packages that exist in the ubuntu archive. the only difference is that it is running on an android kernel with some android hardware access stuff, running inside a container, and most of the apps/scopes installed by default are from click packages and not in the traditional ubuntu archive
[16:39] <Siilwyn> dobey, hmmm... I swear on omgubuntu 1-2 years ago they stated that the phone was running from another code base.
[16:39] <dobey> Siilwyn: no. the android bits used to be cyanogenmod, but it was switched to AOSP some time ago
[16:39] <ogra_> Siilwyn, it is QML based ... and just being ported to replace the old Unity7 desktop
[16:39] <ogra_> in case you mean that
[16:39] <dobey> you can run unity8/mir on your pc if you want, too
[16:40] <ogra_> yeah, but it is far from being desktop ready yet :)
[16:40] <ogra_> it will eventually though
[16:40] <Siilwyn> dobey, ogra_ Alright, and when it is desktop ready will the android bits be dropped?
[16:41] <ogra_> Siilwyn, the android bits (modem drivers, sensor drivers) can not be dropped from the phone
[16:41] <dobey> Siilwyn: the android bits will be dropped when someone makes a phone that can run on fully open drivers that work with the latest kernel
[16:41] <ogra_> you wouldnt be able to make calls
[16:41] <Flexman> dobey: ah ok. is there something like a store where i could contribute my app to?
[16:41] <Siilwyn> Oh that way.
[16:41] <dobey> Flexman: yes. see developer.ubuntu.com
[16:42] <Flexman> dobey: great!
[16:42] <ogra_> Siilwyn, ubuntu phone boots to a normal ubuntu ... then fires up an lxc container with a few minimal android bits in it (binary blob drivers and the bits to initialize and drive them) ... this will always be required until you find a modem and sensor manufacturer who provides open specs to write open drivers
[16:43] <Siilwyn> ogra_, interesting. Does Jolla do that the same way?
[16:43] <ogra_> Siilwyn, this is the same thing that sailfish (jolla) and firefoxOS do ... we just do it more elegantly inside of an lxc container ... :)
[16:44] <Siilwyn> ogra_, haha. Fast answer. ty.
[16:44] <ogra_> (now, i'm biased, i wrote that bit of the system  :) )
[16:44] <Siilwyn> nice
[16:44] <dobey> Siilwyn: yes, jolla, firefox os, every alternative os is doing this
[16:44] <Siilwyn> nhaines on reddit wrote: "This means we won't have Android-like fragmentation and that updates are pushed regularly to all phones by Canonical."
[16:44] <ogra_> yeah
[16:44] <ogra_> you will get monthly updates
[16:45] <dobey> for as long as the device is supported
[16:45] <Siilwyn> But this stops when BQ decides to stop?
[16:45] <Siilwyn> yeah
[16:45] <Siilwyn> What dobey says.
[16:45] <dobey> just like apple doesn't support every device ever
[16:45] <dobey> nor does google, samsung, blackberry, nokia, ms, etc…
[16:45] <ogra_> (in the beginning at least, we'll see if this is necessary ... pushing empty updates if there is nothing to fix would be pointless indeed)
[16:46] <ogra_> well, the updates will continue even beyond that timeframe ... at some point the device blobs might not get updated anymore ...
[16:47] <Siilwyn> Alright this will be a difficult decision. I want to support Ubuntu so buying the phone would be great. But I do want a phone that eventually can be plugged into a bigger screen.
[16:47] <dobey> ogra_: well, if we end up updating the phones to the next stable release every 6 months or whatever, then i guess it will continue
[16:47] <ogra_> but by design you can theoretically update an ubuntu phone forever ... the rootfs and the device specific bits are separate
[16:47] <dobey> right
[16:47] <mandel> Elleo, if you have time, could you give a quick look too the following MR => https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-download-manager/test-space-left/+merge/249093
[16:47] <ogra_> Siilwyn, yeah, that wont happen before 16.04
[16:48] <mandel> Elleo, there is nearly no one of my team that knows cpp online today :-/
[16:48] <Flexman> dobey: and Xwayland?
[16:48] <dobey> Flexman: we don't use wayland, no
[16:48] <Siilwyn> ogra_, alright. So the question is: will the BQ phone get the 16.04 update?
[16:48] <ogra_> Siilwyn, and you will likely need a device with the specs of the ubuntu edge that we tried to get cowdfunding for ...
[16:48] <Elleo> mandel: sure, just need to finish fixing some test I just broke then I'll take a look :)
[16:48] <dobey> Flexman: the phone runs on Mir
[16:48] <mandel> Elleo, superb, thx!
[16:48] <ogra_> to run a desktop you need some desktop specs ... i.e. a laptop in a phone case
[16:49] <Siilwyn> dobey, the phone already runs on Mir?
[16:49] <ogra_> yeah
[16:49] <dobey> yes
[16:49] <Siilwyn> Sweet!
[16:49] <Flexman> dobey: is that an advantage to wayland?
[16:49] <ogra_> Flexman, for canonical it is
[16:49] <dobey> Flexman: i'm not going to open that can of worms, but yes
[16:49] <Siilwyn> I didn't know that Mir is already so far in development.
[16:49] <Flexman> ok, for canonical but not necesarly to the user? ;)
[16:50] <ogra_> Flexman, why would the user care
[16:50] <Flexman> hm
[16:50] <dobey> for the user yes
[16:50] <Siilwyn> Flexman, Mir vs. Wayland is a never-ending discussion.
[16:50] <dobey> more secure phone is definitely a benefit to the user
[16:50] <Flexman> so what's the advantage? (just want to understand that Mir vs Wayland vs X11 thing)
[16:50] <Siilwyn> Flexman, it's a trap! Don't get into it! ;p
[16:51] <Siilwyn> dobey and ogra_ any of you two going to buy the phone?
[16:51] <Siilwyn> Or wait for a better one?
[16:51] <dobey> Siilwyn: i'm already running ubuntu on my nexus 5
[16:51] <ogra_> Siilwyn, well, i'm a developer, i have one since a while ... as my daily driver ... but yeah, i'll buy a few for family and friends
[16:51] <Flexman> dobey: who cares about security if you can only sync with google? ;-P
[16:52] <Siilwyn> haha
[16:52] <dobey> Siilwyn: the bq phone's frequencies don't support 3g in the US and it doesn't do 4g i don't think
[16:52] <Siilwyn> dobey, I'm also considering to put it on my Nexus 4.
[16:52] <dobey> Flexman: well, unlike android, you can actually opt to not sync your data
[16:52] <dobey> Flexman: i can't use android exactly because it has no way to store contacts locally. you *must* have a google account to use it
[16:54] <Siilwyn> dobey, one of my parents actually store there contacts on there SIM card. I don't think they have a Google account linked to it.
[16:54] <Siilwyn> dobey, maybe I'm wrong. Not 100% sure.
[16:54] <ogra_> yeah, that used to be possible in android
[16:54] <ogra_> not sure it still is
[16:54] <Flexman> dobey: not really, you can use MyPhoneExlorer with android
[16:54] <Siilwyn> Requiring a Google account to store contacts sounds really bad.
[16:55] <ogra_> i think they dropped that feature in newer versions
[16:55] <dobey> i didn't see an easy way to do that on my nexus 5
[16:55] <dobey> and even so, storing contacts in SIM sucks
[16:55] <Siilwyn> dobey, ikr.
[16:55] <dobey> Flexman: if i have to install random apps from play store to 'fix' android, and not use the core android apps, then i can't use android
[16:55] <dobey> i might as well just run windows at that point
[16:56] <ogra_> happy porting :P
[16:56] <Siilwyn> Windows Phone.
[16:56] <Isotop7> is there any information if theming ob whole ui will be doable for normal users?
[16:56] <ogra_> (you could run an ubuntu base, compile wine for arm and run WP in there ;) )
[16:56] <dobey> Siilwyn: on ubuntu, contacts are stored in evolution-data-server, same as they are on my workstation
[16:57] <Flexman> dobey: hmm.. no i definately can use my contacts without needing a google account and i guess you could get also the MyPhoneExplorer Client APK from somewhere else.
[16:57] <Siilwyn> dobey, is that a format to store?
[16:57] <ogra_> its a db your ubuntu desktop knows at least
[16:57] <dobey> Flexman: i don't care what you do. i am not going to use android
[16:58] <dobey> Siilwyn: it's in an sqlitedb
[16:58] <Siilwyn> dobey, roger that.
[16:58]  * ogra_ notes that he doesnt really get alon with android anymore after using ubuntu for so long
[16:58] <ogra_> just feels extremely uncomfortable
[16:58] <dobey> Siilwyn: but i exported the contacts from my pre3 to a vcf, imported that into evolution as a new address book, then copied the resulting contacts.db to my phone running ubuntu, and et voila, my contacts are there
[16:58] <Flexman> dobey: well i'm not happy about android. that's why i am here and with good luck tu Ubuntu and Sailfish OS. (not to firefox os haha)
[16:59] <ogra_> Flexman, i heard their 2.0 release isnt actually that bad
[16:59] <Siilwyn> dobey, sounds like quite a hassle to get your contacts on your phone. ;d
[16:59] <dobey> Siilwyn: well i am running a development os on a development phone, so it wasn't really that much work
[17:00] <dobey> Siilwyn: but if you want to write something that support the HP/Palm cloud sync thing, go ahead
[17:00] <ogra_> Siilwyn, well ... sice many people have had a google phone before ... you can just import your contacts fro google with one tap ;)
[17:00] <Flexman> ogra_: hmm ok. but i heared that the system isn't really made for keboard support and also i don't like that they stop work on Thunderbird and instead put the recources in another competitor for Ubuntu Touch and Sailfish
[17:00] <Siilwyn> ogra_, sync or import from Google?
[17:00] <Flexman> however anything that'll be a competitor to android will be nice
[17:00] <dobey> Siilwyn: "sync"
[17:00] <Siilwyn> dobey, sounds reasonable in that cas. ;d
[17:01] <Siilwyn> dobey, after syncing will disconnecting the Google account also remove the accounts?
[17:01] <ogra_> Flexman, well, desktop was considered dead for the past few years ... even microsoft goes for "mobile and cloud" (like we do, but without dropping teh desktop) ...
[17:01] <dobey> Siilwyn: yes
[17:01] <ogra_> Flexman, firefox needs to make money too ...
[17:01] <ogra_> dobey, really ?
[17:02] <ogra_> i thought they stay in the local DB
[17:02] <dobey> ogra_: no, it's a separate db for the google contacts/calendar
[17:02]  * ogra_ never tried to remove th google account :)
[17:02] <Flexman> ogra_: but it's not dead. it was considered dead for a hundred of times ;)
[17:02] <dobey> afaik, removing the account removes the db, as it deletes the info in e-d-s
[17:02] <ogra_> i use gcal way to much
[17:03] <ogra_> Flexman, sure, and its on the rise again ... still it isnt where the money is anymore
[17:03] <dobey> i really wish the accounts stuff was more like it is in webos
[17:03] <ogra_> dobey, batches of patches accepted i guess ;)
[17:03] <dobey> desktops aren't dead at all, they are great things for holding up all my mess of papers and electronics hacking equipment, and headphones and whatnot
[17:03] <Siilwyn> ogra_, dobey thanks for answering all of my boring questions. ;)
[17:03] <ogra_> dobey, tell that to analysts
[17:04] <ogra_> Siilwyn, happy to do so :)
[17:04] <dobey> ogra_: analysts for the forest service?
[17:04] <Flexman> ogra_: well the money... this whole app thing could be the next bubble...however i was thinking that mozilla was about open software, so why caring about the money? the problem is i could not even donate for thunderbird :-(
[17:04] <ogra_> dobey, analysts managers listen to
[17:04] <Siilwyn> Probably going to buy the phone. Fyi.
[17:04] <ogra_> :D
[17:05] <ogra_> Flexman, mozilla eploys 100s of developers (or even 1000s ?? not sure)
[17:05] <Flexman> ogra_: yeah, but none ore one for thunderbird :-/
[17:05] <Siilwyn> Sad Thunderbird.
[17:06] <Siilwyn> Is Geary going to be the default mail app for Ubuntu or ...?
[17:06] <Flexman> Siilwyn: yep. that thunderbird is so 90s. still opens a pop up for every mail you send that will block every thing
[17:07] <Siilwyn> Flexman, hihi. That's why I use Geary.
[17:07] <dobey> eh, i never liked thunderbird anyway
[17:07] <Flexman> ogra_: i mean if openness is the priority than you could at least offer 5% of the recources to things like thunderbird.
[17:07] <Siilwyn> Curious what will be the default mail app.
[17:07] <dobey> rm is my favorite mail application
[17:07] <Flexman> dobey: me neither, but there is no good alternative if you need identities/mail-alias
[17:07] <ogra_> there is none ... but dekko is extremely cool
[17:07] <dobey> Flexman: evolution works so much better for me
[17:07] <ogra_> hmm, there might be a mail webapp preinstalled
[17:07] <ogra_> dobey, ++
[17:08] <Flexman> i liked Opera Mail. but not open, no mail-alias
[17:08]  * ogra_ is evolution user since over 10 years .... still happy with it
[17:08] <dobey> only 10?
[17:08] <ogra_> not sure when before that i started
[17:08] <ogra_> so i said "over" :)
[17:08] <ogra_> might be 15
[17:08] <ogra_> might be 13
[17:08] <dobey> heh
[17:09] <ogra_> when i stopped using netscape mail :)
[17:09] <dobey> yeah i think i've been using it for 15-16
[17:09] <Siilwyn> Cya later! Got to eat something.
[17:09] <Flexman> Siilwyn: does geary offer mail-alias and colored quotes?
[17:09] <ogra_> enjoy
[17:09] <dobey> mmm soylent
[17:09] <Siilwyn> Flexman, sorry I don't know. I only have one email account and never wanted to color quotes.
[17:09] <dobey> blood sugar returning to normal
[17:09] <Flexman> ogra_: no default mail app??
[17:09] <ogra_> soylent needs dip ...
[17:10] <dobey> Flexman: not on the phone
[17:10] <ogra_> as it is people y'know
[17:10] <Flexman> Siilwyn: well, enjoy meal then :)
[17:10] <Siilwyn> Flexman, the UI and speed of Geary is great though.
[17:10] <Siilwyn> Thanks all!
[17:10] <ogra_> Flexman, as i said, i think there is a gmail app
[17:10] <Flexman> dobey: what does "not on the phone" mean?
[17:10] <dobey> Flexman: it means the phone images do not currently ship a default mail app
[17:10] <Flexman> lol well no i won't use gmail app...
[17:11] <ogra_> but dekko isnt 100% done yet so it isnt included by default ... i can imagine that will happen at some point
[17:11]  * dobey wants openvpn support
[17:11] <Elleo> mandel: added a couple of tiny points to the review, otherwise it looks good
[17:13]  * Flexman wants the open super-duper phone!
[17:13]  * popey hands Flexman a Neorunner
[17:14] <Flexman> popey: the Neo FreeRunner?
[17:15] <Flexman> this is missing the keyboard and looking lilke a shower radio!!
[17:15] <ogra_> but it bounces if you drop it !
[17:15] <Flexman> ogra_: cool! but i don't know if it's as cool as the Marmelade Other Half i invented for Jolly
[17:16] <Flexman> if you drop it it always lands on the marmelade side
[17:16] <ogra_> lol
[17:16] <Flexman> Jolly ... Jolla
[17:16] <ogra_> these fins
[17:16] <Flexman> :-D
[17:17] <ogra_> what happens if you ten tie it to the back of a cat ?
[17:17] <ogra_> *then
[17:17] <ogra_> cats always land on their feet
[17:17] <Flexman> ogra_: Free Engery!!
[17:17] <dobey> then it will be like a catroach
[17:17] <dobey> since cockroaches always land on their back
[17:18] <popey> Yes, that one.
[17:18] <dobey> also finds the usage of "other half" to mean something other than the second party of a monogamous relationship, a bit weird
[17:19] <Isotop7> is there a guide for theming the ui?
[17:19] <Flexman> dobey: especially since the jolla other half is not monogamous. just imagine you buy it and then you always stick to the same other half
[17:19] <dobey> Isotop7: there is not
[17:19] <Isotop7> ...and there isnt anything planned? :)
[17:19] <dobey> Flexman: humans aren't either, they just try to act like they are
[17:20] <dobey> Isotop7: i suspect it is unlikely
[17:20] <ogra_> Isotop7, you should perhaps ask in #ubuntu-app-devel wheer you find most of the SDK guys
[17:20] <Flexman> dobey: +1
[17:20] <ogra_> (though i guess in the end its a decision of the designers)
[17:20] <Isotop7> dobey: oh okay... :/ but thanks for your help :)
[17:20] <dobey> ogra_: the question is about changing the theme for all apps, which i suspect will not be possible
[17:21] <ogra_> dobey, well, you can switch the default theme as app developer
[17:21] <Isotop7> yes...i meant things like the settings etc.
[17:21] <ogra_> i would expect us to support that some day on a system level too
[17:21] <dobey> ogra_: yes, for your own app. but you can't change the theme of say system-settings
[17:21] <Isotop7> okay thanks :)
[17:21] <ogra_> you could fork it and just hack these bits up though :)
[17:21] <dobey> and i don't think design wants it to be possible to do that
[17:22] <ogra_> the system is all open, everything (but the binary blobs) can be changed
[17:22] <dobey> at least without knowingly breaking your own system
[17:22] <dobey> right
[17:22] <Flexman> ogra_: dobey: so thank you for the conversation. it was very interesting to know about these things. unfortunately i'll have to create my perfect phone myself as it doesn't exist yet. guess i'll get back here when my app is finished so that i can put it in the ubunto touch repositories
[17:22] <dobey> but there's a difference between forking the system and building your own images, veruss having a "theme" module in settings :)
[17:23] <ogra_> i would expect us to allow the possibility of wallpaper packs, theme packs, icon packs etc ... sound themes too
[17:23] <dobey> Flexman: yeah, when i get my CNC machines set up, maybe i'll make a demo case for it :)
[17:23] <ogra_> just not right now
[17:23] <Flexman> dobey: haha great
[17:24] <dobey> ogra_: should i point at that year-old bug about not being able to change the background in the dash any more? :)
[17:24] <Flexman> hmm i think of turning a Chamaeleon 64 into a phone
[17:24] <Isotop7> ogra: my intention :) something like cyanogenmods theme engine (dont bash me...)
[17:24] <Flexman> GSM connection via userport should work
[17:24] <dobey> i do really want to change the sounds on my phone
[17:24] <ogra_> Flexman, yeah ! do that ... publishing an app to the ubuntu store is a breeze ... 5mins of work ... (perhaps 1h if you do it the first time to find your way around though)
[17:24] <dobey> but i have no idea how to do that in a way that the system will work right
[17:24] <ogra_> Isotop7, why would i bash you :)
[17:25] <Flexman> ogra_: well... the problem is that i stopped programming with Visual Basic 1.0. But if there is a good basic for linux, then I will try myself :-D
[17:25] <ogra_> Isotop7, i think thats a very valid request (and i bet many of us agree)
[17:26] <ogra_> Flexman, lol ... QML is so much easier than basic ...
[17:26] <Isotop7> because comparing a theme engine of cm to ubuntu phone...dont know...you guys seem pretty capable of what youre doing and noobs like me are easily scared when asking some dumb questions :D
[17:26] <Flexman> ogra_: but i have some programmers who'll do the app for me, since they like open source and will use QT i hope they might port it to Sailfish and Ubuntu Touch
[17:26] <ogra_> Isotop7, there are no dumb questions ... only assholes that answer wrongly ;)
[17:26] <Flexman> ogra_: does QML have a Goto command?
[17:26] <ogra_> Flexman, does HTML have a goto command (or does it need one)
[17:27] <Flexman> nah, but HTML is more complicated than Commodore Basic 2.0 :)
[17:27] <Isotop7> ogra: thank you :)
[17:27] <ogra_> Flexman, QML is very close to HTML :)
[17:27] <ogra_> and both of them understand javascript too :)
[17:28] <Flexman> hm. i never really liked javascript. are there really people who do?
[17:28] <dobey> there are even people who like qml
[17:28] <ogra_> :)
[17:28] <Flexman> all i'd like to have is some space where i can draw my buttons and text windows and then just have the button.pressed event that makes text1.text="hello world"
[17:29] <ogra_> yeah, trivial
[17:29]  * dobey really does not like qml
[17:29] <Flexman> :)
[17:29]  * ogra_ does
[17:29] <Flexman> and in CBM basic you just can go like
[17:29] <Flexman> 10print"hello world"
[17:29] <Flexman> you don't even need spaces (but you need line numbers)
[17:30] <Flexman> but if i have some time maybe i'd visit some programming course to see how it works nowadays
[17:30] <Daniel_Olivares> hi someone has a link to download ubuntu tocuh grouper?
[17:31] <Isotop7> ogra_: can i bother you some more? are you familiar with the hybrid modem hack of nexus 4 within android?
[17:31] <Flexman> however: there is still a good chance that i could add an app to ubuntu touch! :)
[17:31] <ogra_> Isotop7, nope, whats that ?
[17:31] <ogra_> (see, now i'm asking dumb questions ;) )
[17:32] <Daniel_Olivares> UBUNTU grouper?
[17:32] <ogra_> Daniel_Olivares, long dead
[17:32] <dobey> Daniel_Olivares: you mean ubuntu on 2012 n7? no longer supported
[17:32] <Daniel_Olivares> i know that but is my tablet model
[17:33] <Daniel_Olivares> and i need install ubuntu
[17:33] <dobey> there are issues with tegra hardware
[17:33] <ogra_> Daniel_Olivares, the driver was missing features ... and since it is closed source there was no way to add them, so we had to drop support ...
[17:33] <dobey> you will not be able to use the image on it
[17:33] <Daniel_Olivares> oooooh ok
[17:34] <dobey> even if you grabbed the last built image for it, and installed that, you would find very quickly that it is completely unusable
[17:34] <Daniel_Olivares> and what happend if i install flo version? or generic version?
[17:34] <ogra_> Daniel_Olivares, you could install an old image indeed if you are not after the UI and just need a working linux install for i.e. running a webserver or whatnot
[17:34] <ogra_> but UI bits wont be usable on that HW
[17:35] <dobey> ogra_: might be better to just install an ubuntu-server arm build, in that case
[17:35] <Daniel_Olivares> can i install a full version of ubuntu?
[17:35] <ogra_> the flo version is for the 2013 model ... which is completely different hardware
[17:35] <Daniel_Olivares> who can i do taht!
[17:35] <ogra_> dobey, yeah, perhaps
[17:35] <Daniel_Olivares> that*
[17:35] <dobey> Daniel_Olivares: sure, the drivers are problematic though
[17:35] <Isotop7> ogra_: in the xda forum i found a recovery install zip with a hybrid modem of two versions which supports lte on mako even though its not intended....after that i had to change the way mako connected to network from normal 3g to 4g gsm...am i right that ubuntu uses the same baseband as android since modem data is stored on device itself? when this is true, how could i change the way mako connects to the network? i think lte is supporte
[17:35] <Daniel_Olivares> mmm
[17:35] <dobey> i don't know how exactly to install from an armhf ubuntu iso to the nexus tablet
[17:36] <dobey> but there are instructions on-line if you search, i'm sure
[17:36] <ramsudharsan> Generating master DTB... completed Made DT image: /home/buzz/ramsudharsan/out/target/product/condor/dt.img ----- Making recovery image ------ Target boot image: /home/buzz/ramsudharsan/out/target/product/condor/boot.img usage: mkbootimg        --kernel <filename>        --ramdisk <filename>        [ --second <2ndbootloader-filename> ]        [ --cmdline <kernel-commandline> ]        [ --board <boardname> ]        [ --base <a
[17:36] <Daniel_Olivares> mmm i will try installing ubuntu server
[17:36] <ramsudharsan> Can someone help me?
[17:36] <ramsudharsan> Sorry for posting the entire log here
[17:36] <dobey> Isotop7: i don't think ofono has support for lte yet
[17:36] <ogra_> dobey, sure does
[17:36] <dobey> ogra_: it does?
[17:36] <Isotop7> Daniel_Olivares: as long as you got a valid bootloader and kernel you could use debootstrap to create rootfs
[17:36] <Flexman> ogra_: dobey: ok, cu
[17:37] <ogra_> but you need some hacking
[17:37] <ramsudharsan> http://pastebin.com/amdiffuf
[17:37] <dobey> ogra_: what sort?
[17:37] <ogra_> /usr/share/ofono/scripts/set-tech-preference lte
[17:37] <dobey> ogra_: would be nice to get lte back onto my n5
[17:37] <ogra_> works on a device with LTE support for me
[17:37] <ogra_> indeed, that requires that your rild can handle that
[17:38] <ogra_> and that ofono can properly talk toi your rild about it etc etc
[17:38] <Isotop7> rild? sorry :/
[17:38]  * dobey tries
[17:38] <ogra_> not sure the N5 port can
[17:38] <dobey> oh doh, i forgot i enabled wifi
[17:38] <ramsudharsan> Can someone help me with this: http://pastebin.com/amdiffuf
[17:38] <ogra_> Isotop7, the binary daemon that talks to your modem
[17:38] <dobey> ogra_: i used to get 4g back in may last year, at least when in the US
[17:38] <dobey> but there were some changes to ofono/telepathy and it stopped working
[17:39] <ogra_> ramsudharsan, that looks like your makefile somehow calls the mkbootimg command with wrong arguments or some such
[17:39] <Isotop7> oh okay...thanks for the link...maybe i can get something to work :)
[17:39] <dobey> hmm, and now i have to install a full 300+ MB image
[17:39] <ramsudharsan> @ogra_ But the mkbootimg I am using is from an official device..
[17:40] <ramsudharsan> @ogra_ I mean from Mokee OS
[17:40] <ramsudharsan> Is there any way for me to fix it?
[17:40] <ramsudharsan> or can I send you the mkbootimg?
[17:40] <ogra_> ramsudharsan, well, the usage message kind of points to the fact that you might use mkbootimg wrongly
[17:41] <bzoltan_> Isotop7: you want to catch zsombi during CET daytime and ask him
[17:41] <Isotop7> bzoltan_: oh thanks :)
[17:41] <ramsudharsan> @ogra_ ok I will look for a fix.. Thanks :) and I need one more help
[17:42] <ogra_> ramsudharsan, try the mailing list too :)
[17:42] <ramsudharsan> The Description of the patches on this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/AndroidDevel
[17:42] <ramsudharsan> @ogra_ Yes, for sure
[17:42] <ramsudharsan> I don't find the download link to those patches
[17:42] <ogra_> we are trying to get a proper new porting uide up ... but everyone was super busy with the phone we released on friday :)
[17:42] <ramsudharsan> I tried the link to launchpad but it didn't even exist
[17:43] <ogra_> hopefully that will get a bit better and we can have a proper porting doc again
[17:43] <ramsudharsan> I understand the stress you guys are undergoing through.. I am just a porter here :)
[17:43] <ramsudharsan> I will be waiting for that doc :)
[17:43] <ramsudharsan> Thanks
[17:44] <ogra_> the mailing list is at the bottom of https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone you just need to join the team
[17:44] <ramsudharsan> Ok :)
[17:44] <kenvandine> bfiller, remember we were talking about the photo editing while using the content picker?  is there a bug to track that?  i tried sharing a picture taken from the krillin camera on telegram without wifi
[17:45] <kenvandine> i wished i could have resized it first :)
[17:45] <kenvandine> bfiller, if not, i'll file one, should that be under camera or gallery?
[17:46] <kenvandine> I assume uploading the photo on edge timed out or something, an hour after it started it was still pending
[17:46] <dobey> whoo 4g
[17:47] <kenvandine> actually, we must do some automatic resizing for the messenger-app
[17:47] <kenvandine> must be done in messenger-app itself, to be suitable for mms
[17:48] <kenvandine> maybe the telegram app can be smart about the type of connection and do the same
[17:48] <kenvandine> if not on wifi
[17:56] <kenvandine> bfiller, i filed bug 1419921
[17:56] <kenvandine> looks like the editing component has landed, so shouldn't be hard to do
[17:59] <bfiller> kenvandine: one sec, in meeting
[17:59] <Isotop7> seems like my sim card isnt recognized...
[17:59] <Isotop7> just says "Nicht bekannt" (not known)
[18:01] <Isotop7> dont even get output in /var/log/dmesg
[18:02] <Isotop7> neither syslog
[18:07] <jhodapp> svij, ping
[18:07] <svij> jhodapp: pong
[18:08] <Isotop7> ogra_: can you help me?
[18:08] <jhodapp> svij, I'm trying to reproduce the no media audio bug, do you still have your krillin in that state with that issue?
[18:08] <ogra_> Isotop7, wait for "awe" to show up ... he is one of the radio stack people
[18:08] <ogra_> (though not sure he is around today)
[18:09] <Isotop7> oh okay... :/
[18:09] <ogra_> Isotop7, what device is that ?
[18:09] <Isotop7> its mako
[18:09] <svij> jhodapp: not sure what "krillin" means, but yes, it's still in the state, I didn't have the time yet to try out that command from that comment
[18:09] <ogra_> Isotop7, weird ... never had issues with that ...
[18:09] <ogra_> svij, krillin is the model name ofr the aquaris
[18:09] <jhodapp> svij, krillin is just the codename for your phone
[18:09] <Isotop7> used to work in the past...last tested it with sim at build...lets say ~140
[18:10] <svij> ogra_: jhodapp: ah!
[18:10] <ogra_> Isotop7, does it have a PIN set ?
[18:10] <jhodapp> svij, that's good to know, I'm trying to reproduce it and may want you to try a few things for me in a few minutes
[18:10] <svij> jhodapp: yeah, give me a few minutes, want to finish sth else first…
[18:10] <Isotop7> yes it has...sim pin and unlock pin....wanted to use /usr/share/ofono/scripts/unlock-pin but it needs a pin type :/
[18:11] <jhodapp> svij, yeah it might be a little while for me too, I have to flash my local device fresh and try to reproduce
[18:11] <jhodapp> svij, what timezone are you in?
[18:11] <ogra_> Isotop7, try removing the pin on another phone perhaps ... not sure if there are any PIN related bugs on mako currently
[18:11] <svij> jhodapp: UTC+1 I think (Germany)
[18:11] <jhodapp> ok
[18:12] <ogra_> Isotop7, i think having a PIN is pretty german :) i always get weird looks from the americans if i tell them thats a typical default here ;)
[18:14] <bfiller> kenvandine: thanks for filing the bug, yes we should be able to do that - that is - edit the photo when in picker mode
[18:15] <svij> ogra_: i wonder why it's uncommon in other countries ;)
[18:15] <ogra_> they are less paranoid i guess :)
[18:16] <ogra_> see "slide to unlock" as a default on iphones :)
[18:16] <kenvandine> bfiller, i didn't see an existing bug
[18:16] <kenvandine> bfiller, do you know if messaging-app is what resizes photos for mms?
[18:16] <kenvandine> i assume it is done on that end of it
[18:17] <bfiller> kenvandine: it does yes, or possibly done via telephony-service
[18:17] <kenvandine> i'll file a bug against telegram to do the same if on a slow connection
[18:17] <kenvandine> wishlist bug for sure though :)
[18:18] <kenvandine> uploading a full-sized photo on edge is terrible!
[18:18] <ogra_> yeah, make us ship convert !
[18:18] <bfiller> kenvandine: I still think it makes sense to add some sort of hints when requesting an object via the content-hub that states preferred size, etc so the work is done by the exporter instead
[18:18] <kenvandine> it would be nice
[18:18] <bfiller> kenvandine: as I believe address-book-app also does a resizing of the image
[18:18] <kenvandine> we talked about that at some point
[18:18] <bfiller> for contact avatar
[18:18] <kenvandine> but i fear the API would be terrible
[18:19] <kenvandine> i love all the compliments we get on our API
[18:19] <kenvandine> i'd hate for that to stop :)
[18:19] <bfiller> kenvandine: that's what mark's objection was I recall
[18:19] <kenvandine> it can really get polluted
[18:19] <ogra_> kenvandine, just spray some glitter acrylic over it and nobody will notice ...
[18:19] <bfiller> kenvandine: could just be an optional map of properties
[18:19] <ogra_> do it the popey-way ;)
[18:19] <kenvandine> ogra_, will do :)
[18:20] <kenvandine> bfiller, but you have to be able to figure out what those optional properties are
[18:20] <kenvandine> anyway, it can get ugly
[18:21] <kenvandine> but i agree the domain knowledge for photo editing is best in gallery
[18:21] <kenvandine> not in the consuming app
[18:21] <bfiller> kenvandine: the exporter could define them in the manifest somehow and could be a call in the importer to retreive them
[18:21] <bfiller> seems fairly clean
[18:22] <kenvandine> i had thought about exposing those in the .desktop file for the picker
[18:22] <kenvandine> i even had a mockup at one point
[18:26] <svij> where can I find the changelog for todays krillin update?
[18:29] <ogra_> svij, tricky question :)
[18:30] <svij> ogra_: give me a tricky answer and I'm fine. :)
[18:30] <ogra_> svij, rootfs changelogs are at http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/rtm/ ... but that wont help you much since the numbers change once the image gets promoted
[18:30] <ogra_> svij, then there are changes to the device tarball for which john-mcaleely usually sends a mail to the ML
[18:30] <john-mcaleely> svij, ah yes. my changelogs are here
[18:31] <ogra_> and third there can be fixes in the custom tarball which are maintained by cwayne
[18:31] <ogra_> he also sends mails to the ML
[18:31] <john-mcaleely> http://people.canonical.com/~jhm/barajas/
[18:31] <john-mcaleely> ogra_, (actually, I rarely send mail these days)
[18:31] <ogra_> svij, an executive daily summary comes from sil2100 in the daily landing emails on the ubuntu-phone ML
[18:31] <john-mcaleely> svij,  and today's is this: http://people.canonical.com/~jhm/barajas/ubuntu-rtm-14.09/device_krillin-20150209-094615f.changes
[18:31] <svij> well, that's really tricky ;)
[18:32] <ogra_> i told you :)
[18:32] <john-mcaleely> ogra_, svij yeah - he sweeps up my changes too
[18:32]  * svij needs to subscribe to the ubuntu-phone ML…
[18:32] <ogra_> svij, best is to wait for sil2100's mail to get the summary ... he usually also maps which numbers from the proposed channel became promoted images
[18:33] <ogra_> svij, i usually re-share them on G+ btw
[18:33] <svij> ogra_: okay, thank you all :)
[18:33] <svij> oh, so I won't miss it
[18:33] <sil2100> svij: please do ;) There's a lot of nice info on that ML usually
[18:33] <ogra_> right, just look for "Landing Team"
[18:34] <svij> did I hear correctly, that there will be weekly updates for krillin?
[18:34] <ogra_> svij, no, there will be weekly images going to QA
[18:34] <svij> ah
[18:34] <ogra_> for the enduser there will be monthly images
[18:34] <svij> i see
[18:34] <ogra_> well, there are also daily builds
[18:35] <ogra_> depends which image channel you use on the device .... you can switch
[18:35] <ogra_> i use the daily builds on mine for example ... but that sometimes brings in evil bugs
[18:35] <svij> I stay at the stable builds I think…
[18:35] <pmcgowan> +1
[18:36] <svij> depending on how much I'm going to contribute, I might change…
[18:36] <ogra_> brave people could use the weekly ones to help QA finding issues ... but well, thats for the really brave hearted
[18:36] <svij> haha
[18:36] <ogra_> (not that our QA isnt awesome and misses bugs though :) )
[18:36]  * svij is not brave hearted as you see :P
[18:36] <ogra_> yeah, stay on stable then
[18:44] <Isotop7> ogra_:deactivated sim...mako's rebooting :)
[18:45] <ogra_> good luck :)
[18:45] <Isotop7> ogra_: thanks for the hint :)
[18:45] <ogra_> what provider is that btw ?
[18:45] <ogra_> i have eplus and congstar here ... bot used to work (havent used th mako with a sim in a while)
[18:45] <Isotop7> vodafone germany
[18:46] <Isotop7> me too...but in the past it worked with pin :)
[18:46] <Isotop7> maybe the hybrid modem is a problem :D :D
[18:46] <Isotop7> got connection :)
[18:46] <ogra_> yay
[18:48]  * ogra_ calls it a day
[18:56] <Isotop7> if i set tech-preference to lte the phone just uses lte and has no fallback to 3g or 2g?
[19:07] <Isotop7> ogre_:seems to run...ill test it tomorrow :)
[19:07] <Isotop7> oh...no...maybe thursday...not having lte in my village :o
[19:23] <Isotop7> when is here navigation dropping in?
[19:39] <kenvandine> bfiller, we have a fix for bug 1415509 in vivid, would be nice to get that added to an upcoming rtm milestone
[19:44] <nhaines> Anyone around who's familiar with the Telegram app?  It's working beautifully but the scope can't load my account.
[19:44] <nhaines> I'd like to know where to find logs if I need to file a bug.  :)
[19:48] <popey> nhaines: ~/.cache/upstart
[19:49] <nhaines> popey: fantastic, thanks!
[19:50] <nhaines> I don't actually use Telegram much (although I was able to have a quick chat with jose and share a pictue of my cat!) but let me say that seeing such a polished, high quality app was really exciting.
[19:51] <popey> yeah, its pretty good
[19:54] <svij> jhodapp: finally esponded to that bug report
[19:54] <jhodapp> svij, ok great thanks
[19:54] <jhodapp> svij, I've been trying to reproduce it with no luck so far
[19:55] <jhodapp> svij, can you describe in general how you were using the media parts of your phone before the media sound part stopped working?
[19:56] <kenvandine> nhaines, good question about the telegram scope
[19:56] <kenvandine> i noticed it wasn't finding my account, but never looked into it
[19:56] <kenvandine> i just checked the logs, turns out it's looking for a file with parens in the path, and telegram doesn't use the parens in that path
[19:57] <kenvandine> cwayne, is that one of your scopes?
[19:58] <cwayne> kenvandine: kind of, please log a bug against libqt-telegram project and I'll get someone to take a looksie
[19:59] <kenvandine> cwayne, thx
[19:59] <svij> jhodapp: I startet with a short recording of a video to check the sound, than I stopped, played that video → worked. Restart a new recording of a video (recorded a couple of videos though). When I wanted to play the video, there was no sound. I don't remember anything other specific details
[20:00] <nhaines> kenvandine, cwayne: thanks.  :)
[20:00] <jhodapp> svij, ok, so you hadn't really done any music playback or other general video playback...just all or mostly video recording/playback right?
[20:00] <svij> jhodapp: yes
[20:01] <svij> well after the sound wasn't working I tried other audio yes, but not before the occurence of that bug
[20:01] <jhodapp> svij, ok, can you put that description as a comment on the bug report as well please?
[20:01] <svij> jhodapp: sure
[20:01] <jhodapp> thanks much!
[20:02] <kenvandine> cwayne, bug 1419965
[20:02] <cwayne> kenvandine: thanks! will get the appropriate people on it
[20:02] <kenvandine> cwayne, just looks like the phone number formatting getting in the way there
[20:03] <kenvandine> should be an easy fix, i'd guess
[20:24] <popey> anyone else seen this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1419976
[20:25] <popey> (marked confirmed because I saw someone else do it, and confirmed myself)
[20:33] <nhaines> popey: I can't seem to reproduce it.
[20:34] <popey> takes a few moves to do it
[20:35] <adrian47> is possible to disable location service? (porting reason)
[20:36] <adrian47> because it stops booting because of many location service errors
[20:37] <kgunn> tedg: looks like charles is out today...do you know if there's a bug specifically about volume laggyness on vivid ?
[20:37] <kgunn> i skimmed...but didn't see anything
[20:38] <kgunn> tedg: nvmd...found it, was looking in wrong project
[20:42] <popey> bfiller: is the latest calendar sync stuff landed in the image?
[20:42] <popey> "[09/02/2015 20:32] Sync done<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(calendar) Status: 403 Error: Forbidden / access denied Duration: 185s"
[20:42] <popey> grrrr
[20:44] <popey> bfiller: do you want me to file a bug with log or something?
[21:10] <bfiller> popey: yes please, please attach .cache/upstart/sync-monitor.log
[21:10] <bfiller> renatu: ^^^
[21:10] <popey> kk
[21:15] <popey> bfiller: renatu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sync-monitor/+bug/1420002
[21:15] <popey> missed 1420000 by 2!
[21:16] <bfiller> popey: thanks, can you also attach the html file that is in here: /home/phablet/.cache/syncevolution/google_+calendar_+11-2015-02-09-20-29-b
[21:18] <bfiller> popey, renatu : it's weird it looks like getting denied by google for some reason
[21:18] <popey> ya
[21:22] <popey> bfiller: renatu done, but it's 4M so compressed it.
[21:22] <bfiller> popey: thanks alot. I just tried it and it's working fine. We did see some issues a few weeks ago but they went away. Maybe that's what you are seeing
[21:23] <bfiller> popey: is today the first failure you've seen?
[21:25] <bfiller> popey: possible it could be in a bad state if calendar crashed during initial sync but syncevo should recover
[21:25] <bfiller> popey: if you try to sync again do you get the same error/
[21:25] <bfiller> ?
[21:25] <popey> lemme see
[21:26] <popey> well, i see evolution-calen... eating my cpu, so something is happening bfiller
[21:27] <popey> and progress in synclog
[21:27] <popey> New connection type: "WLAN"
[21:27] <popey> what's that about?
[21:27] <popey> I am on wifi.
[21:30] <popey> bfiller: failed again
[21:30] <bfiller> popey: crap
[21:30] <bfiller> popey: we'll get to the bottom of it
[21:30] <popey> after the "progress 100" I got a report... http://paste.ubuntu.com/10148473/
[21:30] <popey> ok
[21:30] <popey> thanks
[21:38] <maettu_> hi, i would like to install Ubuntu for Devices on my Nexus 7, are there any Options to install a "Dualboot" with my existing Android?
[21:38] <dobey> maettu_: 2013 n7 code named 'flo' ?
[21:39] <maettu_> @dobey yes i think its flo
[21:39] <dobey> maettu_: if it's flo or deb, you should be able to use the MultiROM app which is in the play store
[21:39] <maettu_> where can i find out if its flo?
[21:40] <dobey> it says on the bootloader screen iirc
[21:44] <maettu_> thats this app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tassadar.multirommgr ?
[21:44] <Tassadar> yes)
[21:45] <dobey> heh
[21:45] <dobey> yes :)
[22:13] <pngo_> is there a way to set a volume to mic via amixer?
[22:15] <pngo_> arecord -l gives me so many devices that i'm not sure which is mic
[22:49] <ulrichard> on the ubuntu site it looks like the aquaris phone launched, but I can't find it on  http://www.bq.com
[22:57] <k1l_> ulrichard, they will start the flash deal on their bq site this week, afaik
[23:43] <OerHeks> ulrichard http://www.bq.com/es/ubuntu.html
[23:48] <renatu> popey, try to disable and re-enable the calendar sync, looks like the token from online account has expired
[23:49] <renatu> bfiller, ^^
[23:50] <renatu> popey, bfiller, I am not sure how to handle this case, I need to talk with mardy tomorrow


[00:10] <micahg> chrisccoulson: anything else before I go
[00:10] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i don't think so. do you want me to upload gnash if it checks out ok?
[00:10] <micahg> chrisccoulson: sure, one less thing for me to do this weekend :)
[00:11] <chrisccoulson> cool. it's built now anyway, i just need to get around to testing it ;)
[00:11] <micahg> I still have 2 merges and a merge request :)
[00:16] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, in that case talk to you next week
[00:16] <chrisccoulson> cool, enjoy your time off :)
[00:16] <micahg> chrisccoulson: thanks
[13:39] <fta> dpm, hi, I have a problem with my pot translator. in my grd file (~pot), which is an xml file, i have a bunch of &xx; codes, but minidom (python) turns them into utf8, while i need them to stay untouched, any idea?
[13:44] <dpm> hi fta, no, sorry, I haven't got much experience with minidom :/
[13:55] <fta> >>> s1='<x>「」／</x>'
[13:55] <fta> >>> m=minidom.parseString(s1)
[13:55] <fta> >>> m.toxml().encode("ascii", "xmlcharrefreplace")
[13:55] <fta> '<?xml version="1.0" ?><x>「」／</x>'
[13:55] <fta> damn, almost it
[13:56] <fta> the string is supposed to be the key. won't work if it changes with the encoding
[15:10] <cyphermox> chrisccoulson, what's your plan for the fixing the seamonkey RenderBadPicture bug? micahg mentioned you wanted to remove mThebesSurface from xulrunner?
[15:10] <chrisccoulson> i still need to look at that when i get the chance
[15:10] <cyphermox> ah ok
[15:11] <cyphermox> was it something specific to xulrunner 1.9.1 or also for 1.9.2? I can take a look at it myself
[15:11] <chrisccoulson> cyphermox, i think it's specific to 1.9.1. feel free to take a look at it if you like :)
[15:12] <cyphermox> chrisccoulson, I'm asking because I can reproduce this with 1.9.2 :/
[15:12] <cyphermox> wait, not true
[15:12] <chrisccoulson> it *should* be fixed in 1.9.2 already
[15:13] <chrisccoulson> hopefully ;
[15:13] <chrisccoulson> )
[15:13] <cyphermox> right, but I think seamonkey also uses it's own xulrunner, if i remember what i saw in rules correctly.
[15:18] <chrisccoulson> yeah, seamonkey uses it's own copy (it's built statically too)
[15:27] <lfaraone> chrisccoulson: did you get a chance to look it over last night?
[15:28] <chrisccoulson> lfaraone, yeah, i did. i couldn't get it to launch firefox though
[15:28] <chrisccoulson> it seems it's still trying to launch the bundled copy
[15:29] <chrisccoulson> ff = [ './firefox' ]
[15:29] <chrisccoulson> that might not work ;)
[15:31] <lfaraone> chrisccoulson: sorry, I might have updated it since you downloaded it.
[15:32] <lfaraone> chrisccoulson: rather, I'm sure I have. I looked at http://people.sugarlabs.org/~lfaraone/debian/sugar-firefox-activity_6+dfsg-1_all.deb as it exists right now (mtime 28-Sep-2010 13:13), and it calls on /usr/bin/firefox.
[15:43] <chrisccoulson> lfaraone, cool, will try that again in a minute
[15:46] <lfaraone> chrisccoulson: thanks!
[17:55] <fta> dpm, starting to take shape, i mostly have the mapping in place: http://paste.ubuntu.com/503390/
[17:56] <fta> dpm, need to figure out what's wrong with some of those ~400 or so strings then i'll just need to create the pot/po, that should be easy
[17:56] <dpm> fta, ooooh, that's awesome!
[17:56] <dpm> really
[17:57] <dpm> good work
[18:02] <fta> dpm, it's less trivial than i thought.. my code so far: http://paste.ubuntu.com/503394/
[18:03] <fta> i'm a noob in python, that's just my 3rd program so it could probably be improved a lot
[18:27] <dpm> I need to run now, but I think it's very cool, though!
[18:34] <fta> jdstrand, fyi, chromium beta just jumped to v7: [Branch ~chromium-team/chromium-browser/channels] Rev 329: linux/beta (6.0.472.63 -> 7.0.517.24)
[18:50] <jdstrand> ack
[18:50] <Dimmuxx> will the beta ppa be updated tonight?
[18:56] <fta> Dimmuxx, probably.. it's a big jump so some manual merges are needed (something my bot can't do)
[19:20] <lfaraone> chrisccoulson: if the resulting package looks good, will I be able to upload it? (assuming ~ubuntu-release ACKs?)
[19:45] <chrisccoulson> lfaraone, yeah, should be ok
[19:45] <chrisccoulson> one thing i noticed though is that firefox was running pretty slowly, but i didn't figure out why :/
[19:46] <chrisccoulson> and we'll probably need to update the apparmor profile to allow it to write to the profile too
[19:59] <lfaraone> chrisccoulson: okay, I'm not too familiar with apparmor. Can I help with that?
[20:00] <chrisccoulson> lfaraone, no need to worry about that, the profile is off by default (and jdstrand works on that usually)
[20:00] <chrisccoulson> we can fix it next time we do a firefox upload
[20:59] <lfaraone> chrisccoulson: cool, it'll land in NEW in an hour or so.
[21:18] <fta> Dimmuxx, done
[21:19] <Dimmuxx> fta: nice :)
[23:00] <BUGabundo> evening everyone
[23:03] <fta> hi
[23:06] <BUGabundo> fta getting a new android for my bday in two weeks
[23:06] <BUGabundo> desire hd
[23:06] <fta> nice
[23:07] <cyphermox> chrisccoulson, aha! the patch applies cleanly and it's finally done building and works!
[23:07] <chrisccoulson> excellent, thanks
[23:07] <chrisccoulson> i will upload that tomorrow then
[23:08] <cyphermox> chrisccoulson, I'll push a new branch to the bug and propose a merge again
[23:08] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[23:20] <cyphermox> chrisccoulson, nah, thanks to you.
[23:21] <cyphermox> pushed and requested merge, now it's time to go back to the Big Blue Room
[23:29] <fta> http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2010/09/2-simple-chromium-extensions-for-ubuntu.html
[23:45] <Dimmuxx> hmm shouldn't chromium 7 support webgl and all that stuff?
[23:46] <Dimmuxx> the chrome demos complain about that it doesn't support it
[23:51] <fta> Dimmuxx, works by default in trunk, and in -dev since a few minutes: http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.com/2010/09/dev-channel-update_30.html
[23:51] <fta> otherwise you need to enable it
[23:51] <fta> i've updated the -dev ppa too
[23:52] <Dimmuxx> ahh okay
[23:52] <fta> webgl worked for me several months ago
[23:54] <Dimmuxx> yeah I just thought it was on by default in 7
[23:54] <Dimmuxx> nice 1 fps on my netbook in the aquarium demo ;)