[11:08] <gsimondon> Hi, is there a way to NOT use ncurses based UI during Canonical K8s installation?
[11:15] <magicaltrout> gsimondon: depends where you're trying to install it
[11:15] <magicaltrout> if you're doing a local LXD install you'd have some fun
[11:16] <magicaltrout> if you're doing a cloud based install, you can  juju bootstrap and then just juju deploy canonical-kubernetes
[11:16] <magicaltrout> you don't have to use conjure up
[11:19] <gsimondon> doing bare metal
[11:20] <gsimondon> @magicaltrout all localhost, bare metal, multi node proof of concept installation
[11:20] <gsimondon> @magicaltrout but I don't want any UIs and I want to automate the process... without hacking around
[11:55] <magicaltrout> sorry gsimondon yeah in that case you can do what I do all the time
[11:56] <magicaltrout> and do a juju manual cloud bootstrap
[11:56] <magicaltrout> and then just place workloads on units
[11:56] <magicaltrout> https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.2/clouds-manual
[11:56] <magicaltrout> that one
[11:57] <magicaltrout> then i usually just look at https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v5/canonical-kubernetes/archive/bundle.yaml
[11:57] <magicaltrout> and "juju deploy" the required services and then "juju add-relation" to join them up
[11:57] <magicaltrout> so if you have 5 baremetal servers you could do
[11:57] <magicaltrout> juju deploy easyrsa --to 1
[11:58] <magicaltrout> juju deploy etcd --to 1
[11:58] <magicaltrout> juju deploy kubernetes-master --to 2
[11:58] <magicaltrout> and so on
[11:58] <magicaltrout> then
[11:58] <magicaltrout> juju add-relation kubernetes-master etcd
[11:58] <magicaltrout> etc
[12:12] <rick_h> magicaltrout: gsimondon to be fair, with the 2.3 work you can update the bundle machine numbers and use --use-existing
[12:13] <rick_h> to help automate it into a single bundle deploy now
[12:15] <magicaltrout> ah yeah
[12:15] <magicaltrout> forgot about that
[12:17] <rick_h> life-easier++
[15:30] <gsimondon> rick_h: magicaltrout, thanks a lot.
[16:38] <kwmonroe> magicaltrout: there's also conjure-up in headless mode.. if you specify the spell plus a cloud, c-u will do it's thing with all defaults selected.  it will try to bootstrap, but you can also specify a pre-existing controller... so if i have a bootstrapped controller called aws-e, this will do a headless deploy of k8s-core: conjure-up kubernetes-core aws/us-east-1 aws-e
[16:38] <kwmonroe> i know gsimondon already left, so that's just an fyi for you magicaltrout.  you're welcome.
[16:39] <kwmonroe> aaaand docs, https://docs.ubuntu.com/conjure-up/2.2.0/en/usage#running-in-headless-mode
[16:39] <rick_h> kwmonroe: oooh, more learnings
[16:39] <rick_h> lol
[16:40] <kwmonroe> rick_h: put that in your tips & tricks doc ;)
[16:40] <kwmonroe> jk, i know you don't have one.
[16:40] <rick_h> kwmonroe: :P
[17:03] <kwmonroe> hey cory_fu, what's a good convention for setting a new key with data_changed('foo', bar)?  i'm trying to avoid name collision.  do most people prefix the key with the layer name?  or does data_changed jam some uuid in front of the key already?
[17:08] <kwmonroe> nm cory_fu, i see https://github.com/juju-solutions/charms.reactive/blob/master/charms/reactive/helpers.py#L144.  i will make my own uniqueness.
[17:09] <kwmonroe> though it's nice to know it's somewhat isolated with reactive.data_chagned.
[17:23] <cory_fu> kwmonroe: Yeah, there's not really a way it could reliably do a uuid, so it's up to you, but it does have the built-in prefix and I'd recommend using the layer name as well
[17:24] <kwmonroe> +1 cory_fu
[19:57] <arosales> manual provider question on juju 2.3
[19:57] <arosales> I can `ssh ubuntu@<ip>` from my client machine
[19:58] <arosales> but from that same machine when I try to bootstrap the manual provider I get "Permissioned denied (publickey)"
[19:58] <arosales> any tips in juju 2.3 and manual provider I should be aware of ?
[20:04] <thumper> o/ arosales
[20:04] <thumper> arosales: I only got the last two lines of your post... what is the issue?
[20:11] <arosales> thumper: hello :-)
[20:11] <arosales> thumper: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26531789/
[20:12] <thumper> arosales: um... did you try to bootstrap manual from within the machine itself?
[20:13] <arosales> nope, client is on my laptop where ssh keys are
[20:13] <arosales> bootstrap node is on DigitalOcean
[20:13] <arosales> I also sshed into the target node and imported my ssh keys just to be sure
[20:13] <arosales> confusing part is I can ssh just fine from the same node I am trying to bootstrap from
[20:15] <thumper> arosales: when adding the ipaddress for the cloud
[20:15] <thumper> try<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:15] <yosefrow> arosales, maybe its using the keys in ~/.local/share/juju/ssh
[20:18] <arosales> from --debug I saw juju grabbing my key from ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
[20:18] <arosales> but perhaps it is not actually using it . .  .
[20:18] <arosales> I can try to put my key into ~/.local/share/juju/ssh
[20:19] <yosefrow> @arosales, I wouldnt suggest overriding the key in ~/.local/share/juju/ssh because juju may have installed it elsewhere. Instead, you can try adding ~/.local/share/juju/ssh public key to the node you are trying to manually bootstrap
[20:19] <yosefrow> in the remote nodes authorized_keys file
[20:20] <arosales> to confirm my understanding though if I can `ssh ubuntu@<ip>` then juju should be able to ssh to the same node, correct?
[20:24] <yosefrow> @arosales, this part isnt clear to me. But as i said if you are trying to troubleshoot. You can *try* to add the pubkey in ~/.local/share/juju/ssh to the authorized_keys file in the remote node. I honestly dont know why you cant ssh there
[20:24] <yosefrow> via juju
[20:27] <magicaltrout> i ended up in a weird loop back ssh thing arosales a few months ago
[20:27] <magicaltrout> where the remote machine and my local machine had the same key
[20:27] <magicaltrout> and it got very confused
[20:28] <arosales> yosefrow: the target node will not have ~/.local/share/juju/ssh initially
[20:29] <arosales> it will just be stock ubuntu with my ssh key on it
[20:29] <arosales> magicaltrout: what did you do to resolve?
[20:30] <thumper> arosales: it is probably trying to use your name for the SSH key source on the target machine
[20:30] <yosefrow> @arosales, i meant to try to put the public key from your juju client machine folder ~/.local/share/juju/ssh into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the remote mahcine. but its just a shot in the dark
[20:30] <thumper> you only entered the ip address of the machine (which admittingly is all it asked for)
[20:30] <thumper> but I think you need to say<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:31] <thumper><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:31] <arosales> thumper: ahhh, let me try that
[20:34] <yosefrow> @arosales, did you manually edit your target nodes ~/.ssh/authorized_keys?
[20:34] <yosefrow> nevermind i saw earlier that you did
[20:34] <magicaltrout> just juggled my keys around arosales
[20:35] <arosales> thumper: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26531916/
[20:35] <arosales> thumper: looking for ubuntu on my laptop now . .  .
[20:35] <arosales> magicaltrout: gotcha
[20:35] <yosefrow> @arosales, the issue was you were trying to use a hostname instead of ip?
[20:36] <arosales> I was only using IP
[20:36] <yosefrow> aaah
[20:36] <arosales> thumper suggested I append a user name
[20:37] <yosefrow> @thumper, arosales , this line is misleading: Enter the controller's hostname or IP address<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:37] <yosefrow> it should probably say ssh login or user@hostname
[20:37] <yosefrow> seems like a kind of bug to me
[20:38] <arosales> well putting ubuntu@<IP> didn't work for me
[20:38] <arosales> looks for ubuntu on my local machine, which doesn't exist
[20:39] <yosefrow> @arosales, it looks like earlier you just tried ip and it failed, then you tried ubuntu@ip and then it worked. Is this correct?
[20:39] <arosales> negative
[20:40] <arosales> did _not_ work with ubuntu@ip
[20:43] <yosefrow> @arosales, try adding the user ubuntu
[20:43] <yosefrow> to the machine you are trying to add
[20:43] <arosales> its there on the target controller
[20:44] <arosales> I can `ssh ubuntu@<IP>`
[20:44] <yosefrow> from your current user?
[20:44] <yosefrow> the same user you are using to bootstrap juju?
[20:44] <arosales> correct
[20:47] <yosefrow> @arosales, juju bootstrap manual/<IP_ADDRESS> mycloud
[20:47] <yosefrow> https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.3/clouds-manual
[20:47] <yosefrow> so in your case juju bootstrap manual/<IP_ADDRESS> po1
[20:49] <arosales> yosefrow: also tried that, and didn't work --- note you have to drop the last arg. In your command "po1"
[20:49] <yosefrow> why would you drop the last arg ?
[20:49] <yosefrow> wiki says to include it, doesnt it?
[20:50] <arosales> yosefrow: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26531977/
[20:50] <arosales> the docs do, but alas
[20:50] <yosefrow> what version of juju are you using?
[20:50] <arosales> 2.3.1-xenial-amd64
[20:52] <yosefrow> docs for 2.3 say Usage: juju bootstrap [options] [<cloud name>[/region] [<controller name>]]
[20:52] <yosefrow> ,
[20:52] <arosales> looks like a 2.3.2 may be out there. I'll see if that has the same results
[20:52] <yosefrow> @arosales, not $ juju bootstrap <IP_ADDRESS> manual/<IP_ADDRESS> do
[20:52] <yosefrow> instead do $ juju bootstrap manual/<IP_ADDRESS> do
[20:53] <arosales> yosefrow: did you see my pastbin?
[20:53] <yosefrow> yes you have an extra ip
[20:53] <yosefrow> in there
[20:54] <arosales> ah yes, my syntax error
[20:54] <arosales> same perm error
[20:54] <yosefrow> patebin?
[20:54] <arosales> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26532007/
[21:00] <arosales> same error with 2.3.2 and manually adding ~/.local/share/juju/ssh/juju_id_rsa.pub juju-client-key to the authorized_keys file for both root and ubuntu users on the target bootstrap node
[21:01] <yosefrow> hmmm
[21:01] <yosefrow> i did this before
[21:02] <yosefrow> and it was easy. thats why this is stumping me now
[21:02] <yosefrow> i wish i had documented it
[21:02] <yosefrow> let me examine the error again
[21:02] <arosales> no worries, yosefrow I appreciate the help
[21:03] <arosales> I can add anyone's ssh key to this server if they want to try and bootstrap
[21:03] <arosales> right now its just a test machine
[21:03] <arosales> in theory juju just need ssh key access to the machine, which I thought it would get from ~/.ssh/
[21:04] <arosales> obviously I am missing something
[21:04] <yosefrow> look in ~/.local/share/juju for a file called environments
[21:04] <yosefrow> environments.yaml
[21:05] <arosales> yosefrow: doesn't exist on my machine
[21:11] <yosefrow> @arosales, i see an archaic usage of bootstrap-user probably not used anymore in 2.3
[21:12]  * arosales nods
[21:12] <yosefrow> whats your juju client user?
[21:13] <yosefrow> arosales?
[21:14] <arosales> I believe so, how do I confirm?
[21:15] <yosefrow> `whoami`
[21:15] <arosales> oh, just on the local machine -- yes "arosales"
[21:17] <yosefrow> mv ~/.juju to ~/.juju.bak, remove ubuntu user from the remote machine
[21:17] <yosefrow> lets start over
[21:18] <yosefrow> remove ubuntu user in remote machine if not needed
[21:19] <yosefrow> @arosales,
[21:19] <yosefrow> let me know when you done it
[21:20] <arosales> done, I'll start with a fresh DO instance as well
[21:20] <yosefrow> sorry meant to say mv ~/.local/share/juju
[21:20] <yosefrow> to ~/.local/share/juju.bak
[21:21] <yosefrow> mv ~/.cache/juju to ~/.cache/juju.bak as well
[21:22] <arosales> k, done
[21:24] <yosefrow> create a new manual cloud specify just the ip of the node u want to be controller
[21:26] <arosales> k, done
[21:26] <yosefrow> ssh-copy-id user@host-ip
[21:26] <yosefrow> to add ur key to new bootstrap node
[21:26] <yosefrow> then ssh user@host-ip
[21:28] <yosefrow> @arosales,
[21:28] <yosefrow> which user are you using to login to the remote node?
[21:29] <arosales> root is the only user on the target controller node
[21:29] <yosefrow> you added the key for root user?
[21:30] <arosales> no I just added my ssh key when making the instance
[21:30] <arosales> that got added to the authorized_keys on the root account on the target machine
[21:30] <arosales> so I can ssh root@<ip>
[21:31] <yosefrow> i have an idea
[21:31] <kwmonroe> ;
[21:33] <yosefrow> @arosales,from root@remote-host$ adduser ubuntu; adduser ubuntu sudo; passwd ubuntu (set some passwd),. Then from juju client create a new cloud, add a new cloud, this time use<EMAIL_ADDRESS>instead of just the ip, ok then finally try to bootstrap to the second cloud
[21:34] <yosefrow> when it bootstraps it will login, then ask for a passwd
[21:34] <yosefrow> enter the passwd you created in the previous step
[21:34] <yosefrow> ill brb to see how it goes
[21:34] <arosales> I did that exact thing with https://paste.ubuntu.com/26531789/
[21:35] <arosales> I then tried ubuntu@<ip> and that also failed per thumpers suggestion
[21:36] <arosales> ubuntu disables login via username/password by default. It seems juju ends up looking for a Ubuntu user locally to sudo to and fails
[21:47] <yosefrow> @arosales, show me the output from trying to login to the second cloud i said you should make, where the host is not just the ip but ubuntu@ip
[21:48] <yosefrow> Enter the controller's hostname or IP address<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:48] <yosefrow> instead of Enter the controller's hostname or IP address: <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:50] <yosefrow> @arosales, last time your output was https://paste.ubuntu.com/26531916/. this time you should get the same output, except now, you should enter the password for ubuntu that you created in the previous step
[21:50] <yosefrow> it appears that juju is logging in successfully via ssh and then attempting to run a command on the remote host with sudo
[21:51] <arosales> yosefrow: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26531916/
[21:51] <yosefrow> great
[21:51] <yosefrow> enter the password you created
[21:51] <yosefrow> on the remote host
[21:52] <kwmonroe> arosales: when you're done messing around, use root@<do-ip> as your cloud.  https://paste.ubuntu.com/26532245/
[21:54] <arosales> thanks kwmonroe that worked
[21:54] <arosales> yosefrow: complained about Ubuntu not being in sudo file, but I think I could have added it and it may have worked
[21:55] <arosales> root worked with out having to mess with Ubuntu
[21:55] <kwmonroe> i'm sure adding the ubuntu user first and doing key mgmnt will probably get ya there, but since DO gives you root and jams your key in there, i say use it!  with metldown and spectre, logging in as root across the internet is the least of your worries ;)  now where's my $5 arosales?
[21:56] <arosales> kwmonroe: put it on my tab
[21:56] <kwmonroe> ha!
[21:56] <yosefrow> @arosales, ubuntu complained because you probably skipped `adduser ubuntu command"
[21:57] <yosefrow> @kwmonroe, has a good workaround, but personally i prefer not directly ssh as root
[21:57] <kwmonroe> yeah yosefrow, i didn't mean to interrupt there, but you guys were messing up my backscroll.
[21:57] <magicaltrout> i'll mess up your backscroll
[21:58] <yosefrow> lol
[21:58] <kwmonroe> gah!
[21:58] <yosefrow> kwmonroe, i thought the point of this chat was to demonstrate how to solve juju related issues and other juju related chat
[21:58] <arosales> yosefrow: thanks or sticking with it for me
[21:58] <yosefrow> should i have answered him in private messages?
[21:58] <arosales> yosefrow: kwmonroe  can tell you I am a tough customer
[21:58] <arosales> next charmer summit I'll buy beers
[21:58] <yosefrow> @arosales, I still think you should do it the way I suggested if you want to follow best practices
[21:58] <arosales> were you guys at config mgmt camp?
[21:59] <yosefrow> but if you want a quick solution then kwmonroe is 100% correct
[21:59] <yosefrow> @arosales, wasnt there
[21:59] <kwmonroe> yosefrow: i was totally messing around -- and no, you don't want to get arosales in a PM.  what you guys were walking through was all good.
[21:59] <yosefrow> kwmonroe, ah ok xD
[22:00] <yosefrow> @kwmonroe, i might write a blog post about this chat soon
[22:00] <yosefrow> we'll see
[22:00] <arosales> yosefrow: I can see the light at that tunnel, the odd thing was that I had created the ubuntu user and added "ubuntu" to the sudoers via `usermod -aG sudo ubuntu`
[22:00] <arosales> but not dice
[22:00] <kwmonroe> yosefrow: +1, and if you do, arosales will send you $5
[22:00] <arosales> but most likely fat fingered it.
[22:00] <arosales> kwmonroe: lol
[22:01] <arosales> in IOUB
[22:01] <yosefrow> @arosales, thats quite strange
[22:02] <yosefrow> @arosales, ok well in that case nevermind. the cake goes to @kwmonroe
[22:02] <yosefrow> i was certain that should work
[22:02] <yosefrow> @kwmonroe, save me a slice of cake
[22:04] <kwmonroe> so it looks like the manual provisioner really wants to add the ubuntu user:  https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/develop/provider/manual/provider.go#L30
[22:04] <kwmonroe> that calls out to https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/develop/environs/manual/sshprovisioner/sshprovisioner.go#L31, which lists the preconditions which will skip that init
[22:05] <kwmonroe> yosefrow: arosales, so i think the key takeaway might be that arosales' ubuntu user needed to have passwordless sudo access.
[22:05] <kwmonroe> anyway, root4life
[22:05] <yosefrow> @kwmonroe, rootkits4life :P
[22:05] <kwmonroe> lol
[22:05] <arosales> man kwmonroe reading Go code now ;-)
[22:06] <kwmonroe> nah, i just have thumper in a side channel telling me what to type
[22:06] <arosales> you must have stopped drinking early PM brews
[22:06] <kwmonroe> them's fightin words
[22:06] <arosales> rofl
[22:06] <yosefrow> @arosales, if you want to do with ubuntu user take kwmonroe suggestion and `visudo`. then https://serverfault.com/questions/160581/how-to-setup-passwordless-sudo-on-linux
[22:06] <yosefrow> i suspected as much as well
[22:07] <yosefrow> i honestly forgot how i got it to work last time, but probably like that
[22:07] <yosefrow> @kwmonroe, did thumper get pissed off with me banging my head against the wall trying to help @arosales ?
[22:08] <arosales> that makes sense since I could sudo apt get with the ubuntu user, but failed when Juju tried
[22:09] <yosefrow> @kwmonroe, arosales anyway that was interesting. Glad we found a solution. laters
[22:11] <kwmonroe> yosefrow: no, thumper doesn't get pissed.  he writes go.  good time today, have a good one!
[22:13] <arosales> thanks yosefrow, kwmonroe, magicaltrout, and thumper for the help
[22:17]  * thumper was on calls, soryr
[22:18] <yosefrow> wb thumper
[22:19] <cory_fu> stub: Hey, could you update juju-wait on pypi to match the snap, please, when you get a chance?


[00:00] <Ginbuntu> seems my drive does not have TRIM support :-(
[00:05] <Ginbuntu> yofel: where do I see which bugs are fixed for kde 4.6?
[00:07] <yofel> not sure, I usually follow those that affect me directly or just listen to the dev talk
[00:07] <eMyller> what happened to ssh-agent?
[00:07] <eMyller> my kde sessions aren't wrapped into ssh-agent anymore
[00:07] <eMyller> how can i re enable it?
[00:09] <yofel> eMyller: try this:
 piquadrat: type ssh-agent and the paste the output of this command in the konsole
 after that ssh-add should work
[00:09] <eMyller> yofel: it works but only for the current shell
[00:09] <eMyller> not globally to my session :\
[00:10] <Mamarok> yofel: I know, no need to tell me
[00:10] <yofel> Mamarok: oops, sorry
[00:10] <Mamarok> that's the same thing I told piquadrat earlier this morning
[00:10] <yofel> right, I just copy/pasted that and got that wrong :/
[00:10] <eMyller> yofel: nvm, it worked for the whole session! :D
[00:11] <eMyller> thanks guys
[00:12]  * eMyller wonders is a .sh with "eval ssh-agent" can do this automagically
[00:34] <Ginbuntu> when is kde 4.6 beta 2 coming to 10.10?
[00:41] <djustice> Ginbuntu: dunno.. it's been in chakra -testing for over a week tho i think..
[00:41] <djustice> lots of stuff borked.
[00:41] <djustice> the mime kcm. kdesu behavior changes..
[00:41] <djustice> most notably the mime kcm causing nonsense..
[00:41] <djustice> nepomuk doesn't like the upgrade either..
[00:42] <Ginbuntu> looks like I wil lhave to wait another week then
[00:42] <Torch> Ginbuntu: don't run pre-release KDE unless you want to help fix bugs
[00:42] <djustice> indeed.
[00:42] <djustice> might as well just kdesrc-build...
[00:43] <djustice> cuz *cough* debian/lintian/dh_foo sucks *cough*
[00:47] <Riddell> Ginbuntu: I'm publishing it now
[01:43] <Walzmyn> where do you find the setting to make windows snap to each other's edges?
[01:57] <guest33> i was wondering can grub boot up unubuntu?
[01:57] <guest33> ubuntu*
[01:57] <tsimpson> yes, it uses grub by default
[01:57] <guest33> grub 2
[01:58] <guest33> im not using grub 2
[01:59] <guest33> everything ive try hasnt worked
[01:59] <guest33> adding ubuntu to grub
[01:59] <guest33> i can kubuntu 10.10 and ubuntu 10.04
[01:59] <guest33> but doesnt load
[02:00] <guest33> i had to add 10.10 and 10.04 to grub
[02:00] <guest33> it was there before
[02:00] <guest33> wasnt*
[02:01] <tsimpson> grub2 is the default since karmic 9.10
[02:01] <guest33> im using opensuse 11.3 grub loader
[02:01] <tsimpson> both should be able to boot any version of ubuntu
[02:01] <guest33> i dont think so
[02:02] <guest33> i dont think grub one can
[02:02] <guest33> grub can
[02:02] <guest33> but opensuse 11.3 doesnt use grub 2
[02:02] <moetunes> any grub can boot any os if you get the entries right
[02:03] <guest33> hang on
[02:51] <guest33> i have a question
[02:52] <guest33> i hear crickets
[02:53] <Pici> the crickets await your question.
[02:53] <guest33> oh
[02:53] <guest33> well im trying to add ubuntu to grub
[02:53] <guest33> everything ive try failed
[02:54] <guest33> im not using grub 2
[02:54] <guest33> hang on let me pastbin what i have in the menu
[02:56] <guest33> are you there?
[02:56] <KuKuNut> we are here
[02:57] <Snowhog> We are every where
[02:57] <guest33> k
[02:57] <guest33> http://pastebin.com/3ve0AjUq
[02:57] <KuKuNut> guest33: what system has the grub?
[02:58] <KuKuNut> nver mind
[02:58] <guest33> opensuse 11.3
[02:58] <guest33> from i i saw
[02:59] <guest33> chainloader +1 should just work
[02:59] <guest33> but it doesnt
[02:59] <guest33> i saw a post where i can just use grub 2
[02:59] <guest33> but i want brub one lol
[02:59] <guest33> grub*
[02:59] <guest33> any idea?
[03:00] <moetunes> chainloader is for windows - don't use it for linux os's
[03:00] <andrewh192> ok
[03:00] <andrewh192> question
[03:00] <guest33> you kidding me right?
[03:00] <moetunes> nope
[03:00] <andrewh192> i am tryin to install amazonmp3.deb
[03:00] <KuKuNut> did you install grub in the Kubuntu?
[03:00] <guest33> probably
[03:00] <guest33> grub two
[03:00] <andrewh192> and when it opens in the package installer
[03:00] <andrewh192> it comes up with an error stating
[03:01] <andrewh192> Status: Error: Dependency is not satisifiable: libboost-filesystem1.34.1
[03:01] <guest33> hmm nope
[03:01] <andrewh192> so i installed the libboost from synaptic
[03:01] <guest33> i get a exe5 error on 10.04
[03:01] <andrewh192> and i still get the same error message after installing the missing file
[03:01] <KuKuNut> guest33: the chainload works bec it transfer the bootload to the Kubuntu
[03:02] <andrewh192> does anyone have any experience with installing amazon.com's mp3 download/install progrma on kubuntu 10.10
[03:02] <guest33> and, gtkpod
[03:02] <guest33> and also try banshee
[03:02] <andrewh192> you talking to me guest33
[03:02] <andrewh192> ?
[03:02] <guest33> yes
[03:03] <andrewh192> well, it says i need the their program in order to download the songs off their site
[03:03] <guest33> oh
[03:03] <andrewh192> and i can't seem to install their program
[03:03] <guest33> it is a exe?
[03:03] <guest33> see if wine can run it
[03:04] <guest33> appdb
[03:04] <guest33> http://appdb.winehq.org/
[03:04] <guest33> i am a noob
[03:04] <guest33> but i do know a little bit
[03:05] <andrewh192> well
[03:05] <andrewh192> i don't think that's the prob i am having
[03:05] <andrewh192> when i try to install the deb file, it says Status: Error: Dependency is not satisifiable: libboost-filesystem1.34.1
[03:05] <guest33> what are they wanting you to install?
[03:06] <guest33> oh
[03:06] <andrewh192> that libboost thing
[03:06] <andrewh192> which i have installed
[03:06] <andrewh192> and i still get the same message
[03:06] <guest33> the only thing i know what to do is try reinstalling libboost
[03:07] <guest33> well heres what im thinking
[03:08] <guest33> installing opensuse 11.3
[03:08] <guest33> the kubuntu 10.04
[03:08] <guest33> then using grub 2
[03:08] <guest33> thats what im thinking
[03:11] <KuKuNut> guest33: you can let Kubuntu takes care of the grub
[03:12] <guest33> well i can load kubuntu right now lol
[03:12] <guest33> either one of them
[03:12] <guest33> cant*
[03:12] <KuKuNut> guest33: don't follow you
[03:13] <guest33> well i can boot them up
[03:13] <guest33> anyway i know of
[03:13] <KuKuNut> guest33: ok..once you are in let kubuntu do it.  do update-grub and then grub-install to /dev/sda
[03:14] <guest33> how do i load kubuntu from start?
[03:14] <KuKuNut> guest33: I thought you can boot to Kubuntu?
[03:14] <guest33> nope lol
[03:15] <guest33> i can look around
[03:15] <guest33> in them from suse
[03:15] <guest33> i have 10.04 k and 10.10 installed
[03:15] <guest33> 10.10 kubuntu
[03:15] <KuKuNut> boot and mount are different things
[03:15] <guest33> i know
[03:15] <guest33> i can mount them
[03:16] <KuKuNut> so why did you say you can boot them?
[03:16] <guest33> i may of
[03:16] <guest33> typos
[03:16] <guest33> well ive been trying to add them to grub one
[03:17] <guest33> i read the entire grub manually still didnt get me anywhere
[03:18] <guest33> manual*
[03:18] <KuKuNut> you can add a kernel and initrd line
[03:18] <guest33> initrd?
[03:18] <guest33> i dont know what that is
[03:19] <guest33> im googling it
[03:19] <KuKuNut> linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-24-generic root=UUID=c1b6e3d4-c3cc-4fd3-be92-d4e480177f54 ro
[03:19] <KuKuNut> initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-24-generic
[03:20] <guest33> i need to add that in menu.
[03:20] <KuKuNut> add ^^ the 2 lines like that.. remove the chainload line
[03:20] <guest33> loads the file system into memory
[03:20] <KuKuNut> you need to know the UUID
[03:21] <KuKuNut> and kernel initrd image
[03:21] <guest33> i dont know what is UUID
[03:22] <guest33> im on wiki
[03:22] <SReid> I'm getting REAL confused and annoyed with Kubuntu and smooth fonts :(
[03:22] <GabrielYYZ> anyone knows if the Qt SDK download on qt.nokia.com works with kubuntu 10.10? on the website says verified with 8.04/8.10 only
[03:23] <GabrielYYZ> guest33: UUID = universally unique identifier
[03:23] <k0s> hi there! can anybody help me with the wine?
[03:24] <guest33> gab, i read a little bit on wiki i still dont know what it is lol
[03:24] <guest33> the line after root i need kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-24-generic root=UUID=c1b6e3d4-c3cc-4fd3-be92-d4e480177f54 ro
[03:24] <SReid> Ok if anyones interested, I install Kubuntu Fresh, download updates, install nvidia restricted drivers...everythings perfect, the fonts look so good and crisp just like a Mac OSX or something, perfect.
[03:24] <guest33> correct?
[03:25] <SReid> then I restart a few times, and at some random time, the fonts just arn't the same, they arn't smooth etc
[03:25] <KuKuNut> guest33: yes
[03:25] <SReid> and i've changed all kinds of settings, and nothing makes it the way it was before >_<
[03:25] <guest33> next would be initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-24-generic
[03:26] <KuKuNut> yes
[03:26] <user> k
[03:26] <guest33> k
[03:26] <KuKuNut> guest33: do a list of /dev/disk/by-uuid
[03:26] <KuKuNut> to get your uuid
[03:26] <guest33> i dont know what the means?
[03:27] <KuKuNut> ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid
[03:27] <SReid> I finally installed MySQL instead of SQLite for Amarak, jesus if that doesn't make a difference! It should be sign posted a mile high all over the place.
[03:28] <guest33> ok
[03:28] <guest33> i see the lis
[03:28] <guest33> list
[03:28] <KuKuNut> get the proper UUID for the Kubuntu partition
[03:29] <guest33> ok
[03:29] <guest33> thats for initrd line correct?>
[03:30] <guest33> hang on
[03:30] <guest33> i mean first
[03:30] <KuKuNut> for the linux line
[03:30] <guest33> i see where i nedd to put it
[03:30] <guest33> do i need the ro at the end?
[03:30] <KuKuNut> make sure you get the correct kernel/img version too
[03:31] <KuKuNut> guest33: yes
[03:31] <guest33> k making sure
[03:32] <guest33> how do i find the kenal verison?
[03:32] <guest33> version*
[03:32] <KuKuNut> guest33: you said you can mount them
[03:32] <guest33> yes
[03:32] <KuKuNut> look at /boot
[03:32] <guest33> k
[03:33] <guest33> k i have a problem the partiton sizes are the same lol
[03:33] <KuKuNut> ??
[03:33] <guest33> ill have to look around
[03:33] <guest33> see what i have in them
[03:34] <KuKuNut> dev/sda1 and /dev/sda5
[03:34] <guest33> k im in 10.10 for sure
[03:35] <guest33> initrd.img-2.6.35-23-generic
[03:35] <guest33> for 10.10
[03:35] <KuKuNut> ok
[03:36] <KuKuNut> the linux is vmlinuz-2.6.35-23-generic
[03:36] <k0s> need some help with wine, i'm trying to run borderlands and taking error: "fixme:actctx:parse_depend_manifests Could not find dependent assembly L"Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls.Resources" (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[03:36] <k0s> "
[03:37] <guest33> ku, thats for 10.10
[03:37] <guest33> in 10.10 i have different options for vmlinuz
[03:37] <KuKuNut> ??
[03:38] <guest33> i have four different vmlinuz files
[03:38] <guest33> in 10.10
[03:38] <guest33> i do have 35 which you said
[03:38] <KuKuNut> they shud match the initrd
[03:38] <guest33> ok
[03:39] <guest33> i think im ready
[03:39] <KuKuNut> go for it
[03:39] <guest33> wait a minute
[03:39] <guest33> ill make sure on this
[03:39] <guest33> root (hd0,6)
[03:39] <guest33> and its on sda 6
[03:39] <guest33> thats correct?
[03:40] <guest33> doesnt need to be hd90.5)
[03:40] <KuKuNut> for grub it's 5
[03:40] <guest33> k
[03:40] <guest33> im try it
[03:40] <KuKuNut> for grub2 it's 6
[03:40] <guest33> so if its on sda 6
[03:41] <guest33> it needs to be hd(0,5) for grub one
[03:41] <KuKuNut> yes
[03:41] <guest33> correct?
[03:41] <guest33> makeing sure
[03:41] <KuKuNut> count start at 0
[03:41] <guest33> thanks
[03:42] <KuKuNut> and when you are in Kubuntu, let Kubuntu the master
[03:43] <KuKuNut> update-grub and then grub-install /dev/sda
[03:48] <guest33> 10.04 worked
[03:48] <guest33> but 10.10 didnt
[03:48] <guest33> probably wronf setting
[03:49] <guest33> thanks getting 10.04 working for me
[05:24] <xoma> is anyone here?
[05:24] <frogonwheels> !ask
[05:29] <dasKreech> nope
[05:29] <xoma> how to start yakuake from opened folder in dolphin?
[05:30] <dasKreech> Try F4 and type yakuake ?
[05:33] <xoma> f4.. thx) yakuake starts from root-folder, but f4... i like it)
[05:34] <dasKreech> maybe yakuake .
[05:37] <xoma> i dont know how "udobno" is in english... but f4 in dolphin is very very "udobno"))) i have used shift+f4 since today)
[06:04] <dasKreech> xoma: :-)
[06:49] <ubuntu> hello people.
[06:50] <susundberg> Good morning
[06:50] <ubuntu> grub got wiped from disk. now booting in livecd.
[06:50] <ubuntu> how to re-install grub.
[06:53] <moetunes> !grub2
[07:47] <user2> !grub2
[08:53] <bobby_> hey guys.
[08:53] <bobby_> anybody around?
[08:54] <valorie> !ask | bobby_
[08:54] <mfraz74> Is anyone else having problems launching programs  from the panel unless widgets are locked in KDE 4.6?
[08:55] <bobby_> kubuntu/windows install. grub overwritten. restored. grub fine but not using the grub.cfg. no menu. any body got any idea?
[08:55] <valorie> !grub
[08:56] <valorie> mfraz74: they are just discussing this in the kubuntu-devel channel
[08:56] <bobby_> lol, somebody didn't read the question. too search happy?
[08:56] <valorie> I read the question
[08:56] <valorie> and your answer is likely there
[08:56] <bobby_> I didn't the restore. the grub is restored.
[08:56] <bobby_> but grub itself is having issue reading the cfg file.
[08:57] <valorie> and there are two links there
[08:57] <bobby_> I have been looking at that and google hits for that. just thought somebody might actually have that experience with grub2.
[08:58] <mfraz74> valorie: can't see any discussion on there about that bug
[08:59] <valorie> sorry, that was you asking the question! duh
[08:59] <valorie> so I guess not -- I haven't seen anyone else asking about this
[09:00] <valorie> however, you might ask in #kde, or #kde-devel
[09:00] <valorie> they might now more
[09:00] <valorie> know
[09:00] <valorie> geez
[09:16] <bruker> halla
[09:32] <console_irc> I need help with kubuntu 4.6 BETA2...
[09:33] <console_irc> after the upgrade... I can't start kde because of the error message: command startkde not found
[09:35] <mfraz74> have you tried startx?
[09:36] <console_irc> yes... but startx tries to start startkde
[09:36] <mfraz74> oh
[09:36] <mfraz74> have you tried installing kubuntu-desktop?
[09:37] <console_irc> ok... new error message :-)
[09:37] <console_irc> unable to open file /usr/share/apps/kxkb/ubuntu.xmodmap
[09:40] <mfraz74> Does this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-993362.html help?
[09:40] <valorie> console_irc: are you in 32-bit
[09:40] <valorie> ?
[09:40] <max_> Anyone know of a keylogger (not exactly sure what to call it aside from that) that displays what is being pressed as it's being pressed? I'm working on a usb keyboard as a psudo-midi controller and have to test what pins on the encoder corespond to what keys. I tried just using a word document, but i need to be able to see modifiers and combinations as well.
[09:40] <Ginbuntu> console_irc: weird. I just upgraded to kde 4.6 beta 2. no problemm so far
[09:40] <console_irc> well... I am conected via command line...
[09:40] <mfraz74> i've just upgraded to beta 2 and i've come across a few probs already
[09:40] <console_irc> opening along url is not so easy :-)
[09:41] <kirthi> can any one tell me where to learn python in mumbai,india
[09:41] <mfraz74> console_irc: the solution mentioned is to rm -rf /var/tmp/kdecache-<youruser>/kpc
[09:41] <Ginbuntu> console_irc: maybe try installing the package kxkb?
[09:41] <valorie> kirthi: I have some friends in mumbai
[09:41] <valorie> there is a py group there
[09:41] <valorie> !india
[09:42] <valorie> !in
[09:42] <valorie> you might ask in there ^^^
[09:42] <kirthi> @valorie--can u guide me to them
[09:42] <mfraz74> k3b won't run, can't seem to logout and icons can't be clicked if widgets are unlocked
[09:42] <valorie> just click on that IRC link, in most clients
[09:43] <console_irc> there is no package kxkb...
[09:50] <console_irc> problem solved...
[09:50] <console_irc> the system upgrade has removed kdebase-workspace-bin
[09:54] <Hazamonzo> Hey folks. Im trying to run a bash script that loads a java app.. surely running the script from the directory (./myScript) is the same as from another directory (sh /home/user/myscript.sh). Reason i as is because my java app is throwing classnotfound exceptions when i use the latter method..
[10:21] <cuznt> Hazanozo as long as the directory is in your PATH
[10:25] <Morpho> hello everybody
[10:26] <Morpho> i need assistance about a major hardware acceleration issuein 10.10
[10:28] <Morpho> Anyone got a couple of minutes? maybe you folks can help me in a snap.
[10:29] <moetunes> !anyone
[10:36] <shahan> I am having problem on Shutdown the PC
[10:36] <shahan> http://www.chobimohol.com/image-4372_4D00AFEA.jpg
[10:36] <Morpho> hello im back.
[10:37] <Morpho> i have serious hardware acceleration issues.
[10:37] <Morpho> i am using the latest kubunt 10.10
[10:37] <Morpho> all packages updated
[10:37] <shahan> I am now unable to shutdown my PC
[10:37] <Morpho> my graphic board is
[10:37] <Morpho>  a GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 onboard
[10:37] <shahan> I am to depened on konsole for this
[10:37] <shahan> sudo halt
[10:38] <shahan> but I need graphical solution
[10:38] <Morpho> and 3d performance is practiclly zero
[10:38] <Morpho> glxinfo says that direct rendering is ON
[10:39] <Morpho> my system is 64 bit athlon x2
[10:39] <Morpho> 4 gb ram
[10:39] <Morpho> on asrock logic board
[10:39] <Morpho> an suddenl 3d applications started to run jerky
[10:40] <Morpho> to the point i cannot even use google earth, which is needed
[10:40] <Morpho> i attempted to fall back to previos kernels
[10:40] <Morpho> and enabled nvidia drivers other than th recommended version
[10:40] <Morpho> but it was of no help.
[10:41] <Morpho> naturally desktop effects cannot be used, but tghat's not crucial.
[10:41] <Morpho> this is degrading overall performance.
[10:41] <Morpho> please hlp me before i trasjh the whole shack and revert to debian.
[10:49] <Morpho> alright, goodbye.
[10:49] <valorie> morpho, I think there is some weird bug
[10:49] <Morpho> hi
[10:49] <valorie> because you are the second person to report this
[10:49] <valorie> in a week
[10:49] <Morpho> i'm rather prone to believe that.
[10:50] <valorie> however, it isn't common
[10:50] <Morpho> only i cannot figure out where its lying
[10:50] <valorie> again, 2 in a week
[10:50] <valorie> did you do recent updates?
[10:50] <Morpho> i attempted previous kenels and drivers, no success
[10:50] <Morpho> yes, i applied ALL the updates... my bad !
[10:50] <valorie> I'm assuming it's a KDE thing, and not a kernel thing
[10:50] <valorie> since you CAN shut down
[10:51] <Morpho> yes
[10:51] <valorie> your menu is just defective
[10:51] <Morpho> no prob.
[10:51] <Morpho> hey hey, hold on
[10:51] <Morpho> youre wrong
[10:51] <valorie> lol
[10:51] <valorie> i'd be happy to be wrong
[10:51] <Morpho> i dont have issues shutting down my pc
[10:51] <Morpho> i have 3d acceleration issues
[10:51] <Morpho> shahan has that problem
[10:52] <valorie> well, your menu is weird
[10:52] <Morpho> valorie, i am reporting a totally different problem.
[10:52] <metatagg> Morpho: u tried to apply a nvidia-driver?
[10:52] <Morpho> yes they are active
[10:52] <valorie> you don't have restart and shutdown available to you
[10:52] <valorie> and you should
[10:52] <Morpho> no no, i have.
[10:53] <valorie> ok
[10:53] <valorie> your desktop pic is wrong?
[10:53] <metatagg> hmm... maybe you can get another driver from nvidia.org?
[10:53] <Morpho> my issue is just that nvidia drivers are present but 3d performance is zero
[10:53] <Morpho> i could try that
[10:53] <metatagg> yea
[10:53] <metatagg> i did when i had trouble be4
[10:53] <Morpho> glxinfo tells that direct rendering is ON
[10:54] <Morpho> btw i use 64bit
[10:54] <Morpho> athlon x2
[10:54] <metatagg> hmm...
[10:54] <Morpho> and GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 onboard
[10:54] <Morpho> asrock mb , 4 gigs ram
[10:54] <Morpho> and it worked like wonders until yesterday
[10:54] <Morpho> now i cannot even use google earth, which i need
[10:55] <metatagg> that's REALLY weird.. :/
[10:55] <moetunes> I bet you got a new kernel and didn't rebuild the driver for the vid card
[10:55] <Morpho> so i fired a 3d game to test things and it was so slow i had problems reaching for the exit button with the cursor
[10:55] <Morpho> it is possible
[10:56] <Morpho> what should i do?
[10:56] <Morpho> i tried booting an older kernel
[10:56] <metatagg> hmm
[10:56] <Morpho> but even older kernels were the same
[10:57] <metatagg> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-amd64-260.19.21-driver.html
[10:57] <metatagg> there
[10:57] <metatagg> id try it and follow instructions :)
[10:57] <Morpho> once i was accustomed to do things like building the nvidia drivers... i'go for that
[10:57] <metatagg> but i'm no expert
[10:58] <Morpho> well years ago i did such things like rebuilding tailored kernels and inserting nvidia modules...
[10:58] <Morpho> i thought it was the past...
[10:58] <Morpho> i think i need to get my hands dirty again lol
[10:59] <Morpho> i'll try that and then report... thanks for the efforts pal
[10:59] <moetunes> if you want to use non opensource you'll ahve to
[10:59] <metatagg> hmm.. i've only done it once, but i'm on your side. Don't think you should have to do it the hard way! :(
[10:59] <metatagg> Morpho: good luck :)
[11:00] <Morpho> just now that i installed a wonderful 22' LED monitor ... *sigh*
[11:00] <Morpho> thnks4 now
[11:14] <Sycv> oi
[11:20] <susundberg> hey
[11:20] <susundberg> how do i create new launcher (for local script) in kickoff ?
[11:21] <susundberg> i think i red somewhere that i could drag'n'drop the script file there but no luck so far ..
[12:41] <pm2> Is anyone familiar with nomachine's nxserver?  I'm trying to run it on kubuntu.  I can connect ok, but no matter what username I use to connect the session always runs as the "nx" user.  Is there a way to connect that?
[14:55] <alvin> Good stuff, NX
[14:56] <alvin> I think it's normal that it runs as the NX user
[15:38] <lydia> hello, I cannot add printer to my newly installed kubuntu 10.10, the problem is after I click "add new printer", it let me define a new "printer class", then give me an empty list
[15:41] <plan_rich> i would try to add your printa via the webbrowser. type 'localhost:631' and you get a interface to manage your browser... i had several times problems when i tried to add my printer via the standart ubuntu printer menu
[15:41] <plan_rich> also a sudo service cups restart is recommended if you screwed something :D
[15:42] <plan_rich> *to manage your printer
[15:44] <lydia> plan_rich: this is a new installation, I did nothing, now just trying to upgrade system using aptituee
[15:44] <lydia> I wonder if cups is installed or not. but anyway the printer applet is there
[15:45] <plan_rich> kk i assume you plugged your printer
[15:45] <plan_rich> which one is it btw?
[15:45] <lydia> yes, it is pluged in
[15:45] <plan_rich> an switched on
[15:45] <lydia> it is a brother hl2045
[15:46] <lydia> model of the printer is irrelevant at the moment, because there is no options to choose printer models at all
[15:46] <plan_rich> cups is installed by default
[15:46] <plan_rich> sudo service cups restart
[15:46] <plan_rich> does it restart properly?
[15:47] <sobczyk> is there a way to change finame encoding somehow?
[15:47] <sobczyk> filename
[15:48] <lydia> plan_rich: localhost631 seems working, thanks
[15:48] <plan_rich> convmv -f ENCODING -t ENCODING filename
[15:48] <plan_rich> slifugus: try command above
[15:49] <plan_rich> if its not installed try sudo apt-get install convmv
[15:56] <lydia> another problem is that the sound card does not work, although hardware seems correctly identified in KInfoCenter
[16:01] <plan_rich> lydia: sound can be a real pain in ubuntu, i would try to modfiy some settings in your audio-properties and choose the real sources + output devices
[16:02] <plan_rich> otherwise i would search for your specific card in the ubuntuusers forum
[16:38] <realslix> hi I got a question for virtualbox - as windows host I used a loopback adapter to connect to ubuntu guest server - how can I do that at ubuntu host? thx
[16:45] <olskolirc> ask in #virtualbox realslix
[16:46] <realslix> olskolirc, thx I do at moment
[17:12] <freinhard> hi!
[17:13] <freinhard> is there any generic gui database client? sqlite would be cool, mysql in addition really nice and postgresql pretty awesome :)
[17:19] <EvilRoey> hello all
[17:19] <EvilRoey> hey what's this latest 4.5.80 business, is it the beta2 of 4.6?
[17:20] <d_ed> freinhard: you can try tora
[17:21] <yofel> EvilRoey: 4.5.85 was published yesterday
[17:21] <EvilRoey> aye, I meant 4.5.85 rather, my bad ;)
[17:21] <yofel> 85 is beta2
[17:21] <EvilRoey> Is there a list (besides /usr/share/doc/$package/changelog.gz) of changes for this release?
[17:22] <EvilRoey> yofel, aye thanks
[17:22] <yofel> EvilRoey: you'll have to search the KDE pages for that, the package changelogs only contain packaging related changes
[17:23] <yofel> but I didn't see much of a changelog on the 4.5.85 release page :/
[17:23] <EvilRoey> ahh ok
[17:23] <EvilRoey> oh and I did mean chagnes to the pacakging
[17:23] <EvilRoey> *packaging
[17:23] <EvilRoey> for instance, I had this problem with the 4.5.80 debs where my keyboard settings were not respected
[17:23] <EvilRoey> (by applications)
[17:24] <EvilRoey> (keyboard settings have 100% of my respect)
[17:25] <yofel> which settings? keyboard layout switching (by systray, not hotkeys) works fine here in beta2
[17:25] <EvilRoey> ok
[17:25] <EvilRoey> I am just now upgrading from 4.5.80 to 4.5.85
[17:25] <EvilRoey> so we'll see once I get home if that changes
[17:25] <yofel> and the systray context menu finally got a 'configure...' entry!! *sigh*
[17:26] <EvilRoey> yofel, but yeah, with the 4.5.80 packages, I did not see that these changes got applied:  changing the layout shift char to "both shifts together"; making Capslock an additional Control; shift-numpad selects, as in Windows; and the repeat delay.
[17:27] <EvilRoey> yofel, even though I had them set that way in Keyboard Settings
[17:29] <yofel> hm, never touched the advanced settings, let's see..
[17:30] <peteyk> when I click on the kde start menu, the menu appears on the top part of the screen. The same behavior is seen with the clock, volume control. Anyone know how I can change this back, so that the menu pops up on the bottom part of the screen?
[17:30] <yofel> hm, why do we have 'keys to change layout' twice o.O? Once on the layouts page and once in the advanced options...
[17:31] <yofel> peteyk: hm, it should appear from wherever the panel is, so here it starts at the top, since my panel is at the top
 and the systray context menu finally got a 'configure...' entry!! *sigh*
[17:33] <EvilRoey> sweet
[17:33] <EvilRoey> yofel: do you suppose Activities wiill get actively used?
[17:33] <yofel> I wanted that for ages :P
[17:33] <yofel> EvilRoey: not sure, I heard there were changes, didn't look at them yet
[17:34] <peteyk> yeah, my panel is on the buttom - everything was fine until yesterday
[17:34] <peteyk> I've taken a look around for panel options, but haven't seen anything specific to window placement
[17:35] <EvilRoey> yofel:  if I right-click on the tray now (4.5.80), I get a context menu with an entry 'Properties'; this is not what you wanted?
[17:35] <yofel> EvilRoey: I meant the layout switcher context menu
[17:36] <yofel> systray itself was always configurable
[17:36] <EvilRoey> okay
[17:36] <EvilRoey> then what was not?
[17:39] <yofel> EvilRoey: when opening the context menu of the layout switcher you could only select the language, when wanting to change a setting you had to go over systemsettings
[17:39] <EvilRoey> ah, right
[17:39] <EvilRoey> that did bother me too
[17:40] <EvilRoey> also the way windows slide in the incorrect direction if you have virtual desktops arranged in  two-rows of two columns and try to go from (1,1) to (2,1) or from (2,1) to (1,1)  (with 1,1 at the top left)
[17:51] <mrcreativity> why to the fonts on my kubuntu installation look funny
[17:51] <mrcreativity> as compared to fedora kde
[17:53] <mrcreativity> anyone/
[17:53] <DiogenesW> servus
[18:06] <nacho_> Buenas
[18:09] <antoine> am I the only one to have a problem with adobe flash verion 10 ???
[18:09] <antoine> I cant read youtube video anymore now
[18:21] <xelister> help
[18:21] <xelister> my ubuntu got gayified
[18:22] <xelister> suddenly some damn KDE sounds turned on, and with question dialog box and certain other operations I have a unwanted noise playing... how to disable ths
[18:28] <olskolirc> is there a way that i can slide my own graphic behind one of these clear panels?
[18:29] <olskolirc> i hate these panels they are boring and offer no imagination
[18:29] <olskolirc> i want to make my own 3D tubes
[18:29] <olskolirc> many colors
[18:31] <olskolirc> look in system settings - notifications xelister
[18:31] <olskolirc> i disabled all my kde theme sounds in there.  There are also other programs with sounds you can click to find the noise and uncheck the flag that makes it pop up xelister
[18:35] <bobby> hey guys
[18:37] <chiiiiiz> hello
[18:38] <chiiiiiz> I have a strange problem with my Kubuntu  for a few days
[18:39] <chiiiiiz>  s later, the login music sounds
[18:39] <chiiiiiz> It used to be quite quick to start. Now, when I log in, the splash screen takes very long to disapear, and my screen goes black... Only Yakuake shows on the black... then
[18:39] <chiiiiiz> s later, the login music sounds
[18:39] <FloodBotK1> chiiiiiz: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:39] <chiiiiiz> sorry for the flood... I won't do it again
[18:40] <chiiiiiz> I must add that my desktop does not appear, nor the plasma bar... the plasma bar only appears after 2 mn!!
[18:40] <chiiiiiz> I can start apps, but everything is very long...
[18:41] <chiiiiiz> can Nepomuk be the reasdon for that? I have some error message regarding Nepomuk/akonadi when starting Kontact
[18:42] <DiogenesV> gute nacht
[18:49] <chiiiiiz> hallo
[18:51] <yofel> chiiiiiz: check if you have any errors in ~/.xsession-errors that could be related, not sure what could cause that
[18:55] <chiiiiiz> yofel: http://pastebin.com/mHVvbMKj
[18:56] <chiiiiiz> isee a lot of things, mentioning akonadi, mysqld... but I do not catch a clue...
[18:57] <chiiiiiz> I also have (maybe it has no connecttion with my problem) an error message when starting Kontact regarding Nepomuk and D-bus...
[18:59] <chiiiiiz> I see in the xsession-error a problem with D-Bus and Kontact...
[18:59] <chiiiiiz> everything leads to D-Bus it seems
[19:12] <Bobbix> i can't place on the right side the clock, the notification area and the show desktop icon
[19:12] <Alarm> what is the application that kubuntu uses for updating ?
[19:13] <Alarm> i try to load it from console but i cant remember the app name
[19:13] <Bobbix> every time i place on the right the element return on the left side
[19:16] <rork> Bobbix: stupid question I know but have you tried moving the clock to the left side of the notifications area?
[19:16] <rork> Alarm: kpackagekit
[19:16] <Alarm> ok, that was it
[19:16] <Alarm> thanks ;)
[19:16] <rork> you're welcome
[19:16] <Bobbix> rork: i've to move on the right side... every element place by default ob the left side
[19:16] <Bobbix> kde 4.4
[19:20] <rork> Bobbix: Yes but if you want to move the notifications are to the right of the clock you can either move it there OR move the clock left of the notifications area.
[19:24] <Bobbix> rork: no you don't have understand.. i have now every icon on the left with the right area clean
[19:24] <Bobbix> if i try do place some icon on the right side it return on the left side
[19:25] <Bobbix> i don't have any idea how to place now this icons on the right side
[19:25] <rork> Bobbix: can you make a screenshot showing the panel and "panel settings"?
[19:25] <rork> !paste
[19:26] <rork> !screenshot
[19:27] <EvilRoey> hey when I hit PrintScr nothing happens
[19:28] <Bobbix> rork: why it's so difficult ?
[19:29] <rork> Bobbix: I don't know, it shouldn't be, as said it work fine here
[19:30] <Bobbix> the tinyurl site don't work
[19:32] <Bobbix> rork: here the screenshot
[19:32] <Bobbix> http://imagebin.org/127136
[19:32] <Bobbix> can you see now?
[19:32] <rork> EvilRoey: you can set it in System Settings > Keyboard and Mouse > Global Hotkeys, Select khotkeys as component, printscreen option.
[19:33] <EvilRoey> ahhhh so I have to set it first
[19:33] <EvilRoey> ok
[19:33] <EvilRoey> that would come in real handy
[19:33] <EvilRoey> thanks
[19:35] <Bobbix> rork: have you seen?
[19:36] <rork> Bobbix: yes, sec, gotta fix my own panel
[19:39] <Bobbix> rork: have you reproduced the problem on your panel?
[19:40] <rork> Bobbix: I manage to get all my widgets on the left but I can still move them around freely
[19:40] <Bobbix> ok... i've the same problem but they are on the left now and i can't place them on the right again
[19:40] <rork> Oh, now I can't I can change the order but they stay at the left
[19:41] <Bobbix> ah ok
[19:41] <rork> you can add a spacer between them
[19:41] <Bobbix> a spacer? it's useful?
[19:43] <Bobbix> rork: i thing you are right... pheraps this is the right solution
[19:43] <dualpent> After upgrade, I'm having the dreaded stuck after "battery check... [OK]".   I dropped the nvidia driver, when with noveau and I can get x to start.  Question: how to I diagnose the hang?   and  How can I manually start KDE?   it says kdestart is not installed (is it called something else now?)  Kubuntu 10.4 + upgrade (10.10?)
[19:44] <Bobbix> rork: but using the spacer now i can't see running applications on the panel?! why?
[19:46] <rork> Bobbix: you mean the system tray? Are they hidden? Or do you mean the classic menubar, that's a widget called "Task manager"
[19:47] <Bobbix> rork: whait a minute pheraps i've found the solution... be pacient
[19:47] <rork> Bobbix: no problem I'm currently startled with the possibilities of breaking my panel :P
[19:49] <Bobbix> it's sufficient that you remove the process manager... that's all i've found it!!
[19:49] <Bobbix> removing the process manager on the panel all teh icons go to the left (it's normal)
[19:49] <rork> dualpent: you can manually start kde with 'startx', I don't know how to diagnose it but start with the system logs: dmesg
[19:49] <Bobbix> placing newly this element every places fine
[19:50] <Bobbix> rork: i hope this can help others... have you read rork ?
[19:51] <rork> Bobbix: yes, but the first time I tried I could move the other widgets around :S
[19:51] <Bobbix> it's becouse there is an element not visibile if you don't have active applications!
[19:52] <Bobbix> It's the process manager thet say you wath applicatins are active
[19:52] <dualpent> rork: thanks.  after it hangs, I ctrl-alt-f1 and type startx and it starts a generic x shell.  No KDM
[19:52] <Bobbix> i don't know how but moving on the panel i've removed it and oll the icons oh the right have automatically migrated on the left side.
[19:53] <Bobbix> now placing again the application manager all works fine thank!!
[19:53] <rork> Bobbix: you're welcome
[19:54] <dualpent> BTW, the only thing in dmesg was something about not being able to find IPV6 router
[19:56] <rork> dualpent: ~/.xsession-errors is another XOrg log
[19:56] <dualpent> Problem is this hardware - all odd-ball.   An older IBM dual Xeon wtih SCSI drives and Quadro video card.
[19:57] <rork> which nvidia driver did you use?
[19:57] <skafti> hei
[19:57] <rork> hei yourself
[19:57] <skafti> Especially rork
[19:57] <skafti> :)
[19:58] <rork> ^^
[19:58] <dualpent> I had the 173 (I think) and then removed it because there were reports that it had issues with new kernel.
[19:58] <dualpent> Now I'm using the open source one neaveau (sp?)
[19:58] <skafti> well got little peace from the children so thought mabe i could work little on my pc
[19:59] <skafti> is there a better way of cleansing a drive other the using dolphin ?
[19:59] <skafti> not formatting
[19:59] <dualpent> I'm eyeing these two other computers (personal servers) that are running dual opteron but I think the power supply is week.  Just need a compiling platform
[20:00] <skafti> it seems that if i "del" in dolphin it takes forever
[20:00] <rork> dualpent: did you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? I think nvidia drivers still create it
[20:01] <dualpent> I had to delete xorg.conf because it was looking for nvidia drivers.  That's how I got x to start
[20:01] <rork> skafti: I've had issues (re)moving files in dolphin, the fastest way is using the commandline `rm --help` , any other filemanager (including konquor) should be up to the job
[20:02] <skafti> k
[20:02] <dualpent> This all started because at work I didn't have the proxy configure correctly.  So the upgrade failed.  I'm at home now, no proxy
[20:02] <dualpent> I think I'm just going to re-install
[20:03] <rork> dualpent: have you tried removing the nvidia drivers completely?
[20:04] <kubuntunoob> Hello. I cannot use hdmi on a dell newly installed with kubuntu 10.4 how can i make this feature to work?
[20:04] <rork> dualpent: `apt-get purge nvidia-glx-173`
[20:04] <dualpent> I removed them via apt-get.   Like I said, xinit works.  Just drops into generic x-windows (not even a menu)
[20:04] <dualpent> I did apt-get purge nvida*
[20:05] <dualpent> then apt-get install neaveau*,   then ap-get install xorg-.....neaveau (to the best of recollection)
[20:06] <rork> dualpent: sounds about right
[20:07] <rork> dualpent: no apt messages about a broken install? e.g. `apt-get check`
[20:07] <dualpent> So with google, everyone seems to think its a videa card issue (the next step being installing video drivers).  I can't find out how anyone came to that conlusion though.    I figured if I can get x to start, that would prove someting.   Maybe not.
[20:08] <dualpent> BTW, downloading kubuntu 10.10 at 3100 KB/s  nice mirror.
[20:08] <skafti> what is the drive names like in  dos i use c:/ im trying qonquor ?
[20:08] <rork> without 3d graphics support I'd stick with 10.04 until it's fixed
[20:09] <dualpent> is there an easy way to revert to 10.04?
[20:12] <rork> skafti: mounted devices are listed in /media konqueror doesn't seem to have an option to find/mount unmounted media
[20:14] <rork> dualpent: it seems to be impossible to downgrade, reinstall is your only option there
[20:14] <dualpent> OK.  Thanks for the help.  Truely appriiated.
[20:15] <dualpent> got to get something to eat...
[20:15] <rork> you're welcome, too bad it couldn't be fixed (yet)
[20:30] <skafti> what do you mean by /media konquror ?
[20:31] <skafti> (blush)
[20:41] <skafti> Time to give back rork push shift and delete on the file... and its gone
[20:41] <skafti> dolphin
[20:44] <oyster> hi all. I'm having troubles with playing urbanterror. The game turns to black screen and freezes when a IM popup appears. With Option "OpenGLOverlay" "true" it's full screen of artefacts and random lags of that kind too. I'm using fglx on ati hd3400. Is there a fix for this?
[20:55] <rug> I am trying to lock down a 10.10 machine into kiosk mode.  I am trying to follow the instructions I found here: http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/Kiosk/Introduction   but I can't find the config files it describes.    What/where is the equivilent file to ~/.kde/share/config/kdesktoprc ?
[20:56] <moetunes> try in .local rug
[20:56] <moetunes> maybe
[20:58] <rug> kdesktoprc doesn't exist on the PC
[21:00] <BajK_> why doesnt nvidia-settings appear in systemsettings?
[21:05] <moetunes> rug:  that must be an old howto then
[21:05] <rug> moetunes: no date on the page!  =)
[21:06] <moetunes> I saw that too
[21:08] <alberto> hl
[21:15] <vyrgozunqk> guys help me with this knetwork manager... and this DUN connection... how to make it work, i'm trying to connect thru my nokia N95... in gnome is peace of cake... but in KDE...
[21:15] <vyrgozunqk> mobile broadband in kde stays grayed out...
[21:16] <vyrgozunqk> i have rfcomm cconfigured
[21:43] <esmirlin> is there any dock bar for kde (not using compiz i mean)?
[21:47] <esmirlin> ?
[21:47] <esmirlin> is there any dock bar for kde (not using compiz i mean)?
[21:47] <moetunes> yep there's plenty of 'em
[21:55] <esmirlin> moetunes: i used to use docky on gnome but no idea for kde :S
[21:55] <harleen> hi
[21:56] <moetunes> esmirlin:  second google return   http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=109&t=51207&start=0
[22:39] <Roey> haiil
[22:39] <Roey> *hai.
[22:42] <rork> hi
[22:51] <Roey> Riddell:  https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=259387
[22:53] <Roey> hey diego
[22:59] <Riddell> Roey: sounds like an upstream bug
[23:00] <Roey> ok
[23:00] <Roey> how about this one:  among the icons on my Panel, only the K icon is clickable.  The rest highlight on mouseover but are unresponsive when I click on them.;
[23:00] <Roey> the desktop pager works fine
[23:00] <Roey> just the app icons don't work
[23:01] <Roey> Riddell:  and that's as of 4.5.85
[23:02] <Riddell> Roey: we haven't added any new distro patches, if you're running maverick and something has broken when you upgraded kde packages it's almost certainly a kde issue
[23:05] <Ginbuntu> kde 4.6 beta 2 is still laggy
[23:07] <Roey> Riddell:  so these two issues are upstream then
[23:07] <Roey> ?
[23:07] <Roey> Ginbuntu:  got that right :)
[23:08] <Ginbuntu> I don't understand what you mean
[23:13] <serard> hello
[23:15] <serard> I've just installed compiz, launched compiz --replace; it works fine. How do I make it to launch at every reboot ? Another question, I don't see the window bars (with the buttons to minimize, maximize, close), how can I make them reappear ?
[23:24] <yofel> serard: I don't know much about compiz-kde, but it's compiz job to provide the window border, to set compiz as default go to: systemsettings -> default applicatons -> Window manager
[23:27] <serard> yofel, thank you ! in the window manager, it proposes me to create a wrapper script, do you know where should I create it ?
[23:28] <yofel> nope, sorry
[23:29] <serard> okay, thank you
[23:33] <serard> okay it was simply put it in a $PATH registered folder


[12:18] <nixternal> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/180273.stm
[12:18] <nixternal> 9 years almost he did it
[12:18] <mpt> The New Zealand equivalent is "Waikikamukau"
[12:18] <nixternal> 73 days...that would be awful
[12:18] <nixternal> ya, timbuktu is easier to not only spell, but say :)
[12:19] <mpt> nah, it's easy, it's a Maori transliteration of "Why kick a moo-cow?"
[12:19] <nixternal> I would pronounce that "Why-key-kamoo-kow"
[12:19] <nixternal> hahahaha
[12:19] <nixternal> I pronounced it like a Hawaiin would
[12:19] <nixternal> I like that, why kick a moo cow
[12:21] <nixternal> argh, time to get ready...everybody enjoy...don't work to hard, and...ummm..bye :)
[12:21] <mpt> Adios
[12:21] <jjesse> me too tuna steaks, red wine, and vegatbles on the grill
[03:24] <fijam> hello
[05:33] <ian_brasil> Hi
[05:34] <ian_brasil> i am trying to create html pages from docbook and I get this error:
[05:34] <ian_brasil> vern@N800-hacker:~/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu$ make dg
[05:34] <ian_brasil> make: *** No rule to make target `dg'. Stop.
[07:12] <jjesse> ian_brasil: there isn't a desktopguide any more because of the switch to topic based help system
[07:13] <ian_brasil> ok...i checked out the svn and created mobileguide in the generic folder
[07:14] <ian_brasil> i copied the content of the server guide and i am now modifying it
[07:15] <ian_brasil> to be a mobile guide...i want to create the html...is this possible or am i doing something wrong?
[07:15] <jjesse> i don't quite understand how/if things changed with the move to topic based help
[07:15] <jjesse> but the desktop guide no longer exists
[07:15] <ian_brasil> but packaging /server guides still do??
[07:16] <jjesse> as far as i know
[07:16] <ian_brasil> ok, thx for your help
[07:16] <jjesse> sorry i wasn't better help
[07:16] <jjesse> wow a car blew upat glasgow airport
[07:16] <ian_brasil> it is ok...i will hang around here anyway
[07:30] <nixternal> jjesse: are you kidding me?
[07:31] <nixternal> Akademy is going on there right now, just started today


[00:17] <wgrant> phillw: Are you in the source code tree?
[02:47] <thewrath> hello all how can i get my series to look like the following https://launchpad.net/cinder/+series
[02:53] <wgrant> thewrath: There's nothing particularly notable about that -- the project just has several series each with a number of milestones.
[02:54] <wgrant> You can achieve the same setup by creating series and milestones.
[02:55] <thewrath> wgrant: so do i need several branches?
[02:57] <wgrant> thewrath: You'd generally have multiple series because you have multiple branches, not vice-versa.
[02:57] <wgrant> What are you trying to achieve by having multiple series?
[02:57] <thewrath> multiple versions of the code base
[02:57] <wgrant> Series are usually used for managing stable release maintenance branches.
[02:57] <thewrath> like v1 v1.1, etc
[02:57] <thewrath> ok
[02:58] <thewrath> i am just starting to develop a project
[02:58] <thewrath> all i have is a branch and i did create a milestone for later use
[02:58] <wgrant> If you're just starting, you probably won't be maintaining multiple stable branches for a while. I'd continue with just the default trunk series until you see a need for eg. a 1.0.x stable release series.
[02:58] <wgrant> Then you'd create a 1.0 series with a 1.0 branch.
[02:59] <thewrath> when i would do that i would must merge trunk to the 1.0 branch?
[03:00] <wgrant> You'd branch trunk at the point of the 1.0 release, into a 1.0 maintenance branch.
[03:01] <wgrant> https://help.launchpad.net/Projects/SeriesMilestonesReleases
[03:02] <thewrath> can i delete the series i have for 1.0
[03:03] <wgrant> You could.
[03:03] <thewrath> i just associate the bluepritns to the trunk series for now?
[03:03] <wgrant> You don't need to give the blueprints a series target at all unless you want to.
[03:04] <wgrant> Series are mostly used by larger, more mature projects that benefit from the project management facilities.
[03:04] <wgrant> Most projects don't use series targeting at all, and just stay with the default trunk series.
[03:04] <thewrath> how would one do that? delete the series
[03:04] <thewrath> ok
[03:04] <wgrant> There's a "Delete series" link on the series page.
[03:06] <thewrath> wait i got confused i think
[03:06] <thewrath> ti appears i have a milestone
[03:06] <thewrath> not a series i want to delete
[03:06] <thewrath> https://launchpad.net/firecompanystaffing
[03:07] <wgrant> Oh, you just have one series, with a v1.0 milestone
[03:07] <wgrant> Lots of projects do that.
[03:07] <wgrant> They're useful to get an overview of completion.
[03:08] <wgrant> So you'd milestone the bugs and blueprints that you need done for the 1.0 release, and that page will list all of them and show you how close 1.0 is.
[03:08] <thewrath> but 1.0 is in trunk
[03:08] <wgrant> Sure. If you end up with a 1.0 *series* later, you can move the milestone across.
[03:09] <thewrath> and taht would be in the milestone properties right
[03:10] <wgrant> Right, down the bottom of the milestone's "Change details" page.
[03:21] <thewrath> wgrant: any guidance on when to start saying like version .8 or .9 before the a good version 1
[03:21] <thewrath> or how you disguince 1.1 version 1.1.1
[03:21] <wgrant> That's one of the great questions of software engineering :)
[03:22] <wgrant> http://semver.org/ is a common scheme for libraries and some applications.
[10:55] <computa_mike> Launchpad question : is it possible to set up a source build recipe that builds a download file for my project, so that my projects have a download?
[12:02] <phillw> wgrant: ping
[12:02] <wgrant> phillw: Hello.
[12:03] <phillw> wgrant: how do i check if I'm in the source code tree? (I'm very new at this!)
[12:03] <wgrant> phillw: From where did you obtain the directory in which you ran debuild?
[12:04] <phillw> wgrant: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/non-pae
[12:04] <phillw> step 3
[12:04] <phillw> the .debs build fine.. just need the ppa build now :)
[12:05] <wgrant> How do the debs build fine?
[12:05] <wgrant> What you have there is not a Debian source package
[12:06] <wgrant> And what's all this root and /usr/src/linux business?
[12:06] <wgrant> I'd suggest starting with a package rather simpler than the kernel.
[12:06] <phillw> wgrant: I'm just following instructions :)
[12:06] <phillw> wgrant: it is only the non-pae kernel that I wish to build (and can).
[12:07] <wgrant> You'll want to run through http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/ with a less complex package before you jump into the kenerl.
[12:09] <wgrant> 'make deb-pkg' won't get you close to a Debian source package, and you cannot upload .debs to Launchpad directly.
[12:09] <wgrant> You'll need to learn how to use and produce Debian source packages, and then probably adapt Ubuntu's linux source package to your needs.
[12:09] <phillw> wgrant: I know that :) that is when I chased down
[12:09] <phillw> debuild -S -sd
[12:10] <phillw> but I need the source :)
[12:10] <wgrant> Yes.
[12:11] <phillw> I do not really want to go begging the MOTU again, he says his time is limited; so I'm trying to get as much done myself
[12:12] <wgrant> A good start would be to read the packaging guide until you work out how to obtain the source.
[12:12] <wgrant> It is but the first and most trivial step along the journey.
[12:13] <wgrant> Our time is likewise limited.
[12:13] <phillw> okies, thanks.... I'll continue digging :) Thank you so much for your time. (I'm learning loads, and others also are as I document up everything I find)