[16:41] <minimal> looking at the config schema I see various entries marked as "required: [ "abc" ]" but there is nothing on the docs website to highlight those things that are required. Should this not be reflected in the (generated) docs?
[17:51] <blackboxsw> minimal: This should probably be reflected in generated docs, cutting down on unnecessary failures to deploy, only to have to find schema warnings in logs and back into the actual errors with either `sudo cloud-init schema --system --annotate`  or `cloud-init schema  --config-file my.yaml --annotate`
[17:53] <blackboxsw> it's not ideal for folks to try jumping  into https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/main/cloudinit/config/schemas/schema-cloud-config-v1.json#L3178 to find why their config failed.
[17:59] <minimal> blackboxsw: I noticed some module settings stated "Required" or "Optional" in their schema definitions, rather than using "required" in the same to indicate that
[18:00] <minimal> s/in the same/in the schema definition/
[18:01] <minimal> basically some required settings are not enforced by the schema
[18:02] <minimal> they're only "enforced" by their description saying they're required
[18:09] <blackboxsw> just filed https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/issues/4323 for standardized required key doc/markup. Any on  keys documenting "required" without schema to back it up is a bug and maybe we need a separate issue with one case and we just take that as a time to review/cleanup all "doc-only required keys"
[18:09] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Issue 4323 in canonical/cloud-init "[docs]: module schema docs should highlight required keys in a common way per config module" [Open]
[18:18] <minimal> blackboxsw: as an example, as I'm working on it currently, cc_keyboard "Config schema" page on the docs website indicate that "layout" is required, but that's just text in the description field of the schema, there's no "required" attribute to back that up. I could fix that as part of #4278. Also I assume there's no schema attribute to tag "required" only for specific distro(s)
[18:33] <blackboxsw> minimal: +1 on the keyboard atschema while you are in cc_keyboard module. Separate it's probably worth a whole scrub of config module keys which document "required" just to validate that the schema matches the "box label"
[18:34] <blackboxsw> minimal: there are not distro-specific "required", so cases that are different per distro will likely need documentation in the "description" of said keys in those cases and we'd probably avoid declaring such a key as "required" in those cases.
[18:34] <minimal> I've had to restore to adding "Required for Alpine, optional for others" to the description of the "variant" attribute for cc_keyboard
[18:35] <blackboxsw> we could evolve separate schemas per distro, but that's a big undertaking for the number of corner cases I'd expect
[18:35] <blackboxsw>  "Required for Alpine, optional for other": yeah that sounds good for now


[13:14] <ebel_ag_obair> anyone from galway?
[13:15] <ebel_ag_obair> someone on #tog is moving to galway and needs a place to live
[13:15] <czajkowski> oh there are some on the list from Galway
[13:16] <zmoylan> shanem is living in galway at the mo
[13:16] <czajkowski> yes
[13:16] <czajkowski> thats one
[15:16] <tdr112> has anyone used sar ?
[22:12] <shanem> zmoylan: Hey
[22:12] <shanem> Someone looking for a place to live?
[23:14] <zmoylan> hey shanem ebel said somebody in tog was looking for a place in galway.  wondering if there were any galway based folk in the ubuntu channel.  hope it was ok to mention you?
[23:18] <shanem> zmoylan: Ah no worries :)
[23:18] <shanem> I had a free room until literally a week ago.
[23:19] <shanem> I'd say the best place to check is something like 091-public mailing list.
[23:23] <zmoylan> there's never a jibbybot about when you need one :-)
[23:23] <shanem> Haha
[23:23] <zmoylan> a link to the 091-public mailing list?


[01:26] <rick_h> erik_lonroth: sorry, we'll get the docs updated. You need to add a --classic flag to the install command


[09:51] <LaPingvino> ping("Hello everybody");
[09:51] <LaPingvino> asac.ping("Nudge about language packaging; request for comment");
[11:20] <gnomefreak> asac: have you read the email from Freddy yet?
[12:05] <gnomefreak> asac: hope you had a nice trip
[12:34] <gnomefreak> 3.6 should not be named minefield but our build is named minefield
[12:35] <fta> 3.6 *is* minefield
[12:35] <gnomefreak> 3.5 is isnt it?
[12:35] <gnomefreak> one or the other should be changed
[12:35] <gnomefreak> they are both named minefield
[12:36] <fta> i know, it's a bug on my side
[12:36] <fta> in 3.5
[12:37] <gnomefreak> yeah i just opened 3.5 and it says Shiretoko but i guess .desktop has it as minefield but as long as you know :)
[12:38] <fta> we discussed that last week and it's not worth changing, 3.5 is nearly out
[12:39] <gnomefreak> makes sense
[12:41] <gnomefreak> The following packages will be REMOVED: abrowser abrowser-3.0-branding firefox-greasemonkey firefox-launchpad-plugin firefox-linky firefox-notify greasemonkey
[12:41] <gnomefreak> that cant be good
[12:42] <fta> indeed
[12:42] <gnomefreak> thats odd
[12:42] <gnomefreak> installing firefox-3.0-brnding gives the above output if you install firefox it does not remove all them just abrowser packages
[12:43] <gnomefreak> branding even
[12:43] <gnomefreak> it seems installing -branding only installs branding it doesnt install firefox
[12:44] <gnomefreak> im guessing that is the problem. branding should have firefox as a depend
[12:44] <fta> the other way around, firefox has the two branding things as dep
[12:44] <gnomefreak> Depends: firefox-3.0 (= 3.0.10+nobinonly-0ubuntu1)
[12:45] <gnomefreak> that should be firefox as well
[12:45] <gnomefreak> thats the -branding deps
[12:45] <gnomefreak> firefox-3.0 is not the same as firefox
[12:46] <gnomefreak> 3.0 is installed with or without abrowser but to use FF branding you have to install "firefox" not *-3.0
[12:49] <gnomefreak> The following packages will be REMOVED: abrowser abrowser-3.0-branding
[12:49] <gnomefreak> The following NEW packages will be installed: firefox firefox-3.0-branding
[12:49] <gnomefreak> thats installing firefox package
[12:49] <fta> good
[12:50] <gnomefreak> ok my fun/work/thinking is done for the day i have other things to get done for my meetings this week
[14:39] <fta> -rw-r--r-- 1 fta fta 381135135 2009-05-30 19:08 chromium-browser_<IP_ADDRESS>~svn20090530r17289.orig.tar.gz
[14:39] <fta> -rw-r--r-- 1 fta fta 227600363 2009-05-31 15:38 chromium-browser_<IP_ADDRESS>~svn20090531r17302.orig.tar.gz
[14:39] <fta> asac, ^^
[14:40] <fta> asac, it's a 40% win
[15:22] <nhandler> asac: ping
[18:24] <fta> asac, hm, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7094387
[19:07] <stefanlsd> fta: you packaging chromium?
[19:07] <fta> stefanlsd, yes
[19:07] <micahg> fta:
[19:07] <micahg> can you help me with a crash Q
[19:07] <fta> micahg, crash of what?
[19:07] <stefanlsd> fta: oh ok. did they do the same thing like gears... third_party directory with every third party lib source which they have modified to get it to compile?
[19:07] <micahg> firefox
[19:08] <fta> stefanlsd, yes, sort of
[19:08] <micahg> is a segfault crash useful or do they have to run something else
[19:08] <micahg> well
[19:08] <micahg> I actually know they should run something else
[19:08] <micahg> ok
[19:08] <micahg> let me start over (working without caffeine)
[19:09] <micahg> some attached a crash file
[19:09] <fta> micahg, a properly backtrace with resolved symbols is always nice to have
[19:09] <micahg> I extracted it
[19:09] <stefanlsd> fta: heh. yeah. gears source code is 300mb or so uncompressed (mostly 3rd party libs like gecko, gtk, sqlite.) heh.  was lots of work getting it to compile against system libs
[19:09] <micahg> I got all the files
[19:09] <fta> (it's dinner time for me, i have to go for a while)
[19:09] <micahg> but it
[19:09] <micahg> 's for FF2
[19:09] <micahg> and I don't have symbols for it
[19:10] <fta> micahg, ?? i don't understand. you're still using ff2?
[19:10] <micahg> no, user was
[19:10] <micahg> I'm just wondering if I should remove the .crash file and attach all the files that come out of it
[19:10] <micahg> -CoreDump
[19:11] <micahg> but I keep getting this
[19:11] <micahg> No symbol table info available.
[19:11] <micahg> I'm assumming since I don't have FF2
[19:11] <fta> stefanlsd, i don't want to strip those 3rd party libs. i just stripped some stuff used only on mac/win and gained quite a lot. I want to be able to build with or without system libs
[19:12] <jcastro> stefanlsd: thanks for packaging gears!
[19:12] <fta> micahg, hm, i still don't understand but I'm not much into bugs so maybe that's just me.
[19:12] <micahg> ah
[19:12] <micahg> jcastro: you into bugs?
[19:13] <fta> stefanlsd, chromium is supposed to have gears builtin
[19:13] <jcastro> micahg: not if I can help it. :p
[19:13] <stefanlsd> fta: i think we need to aim to build everything against system libs
[19:13] <micahg> hmmm
[19:13] <micahg> asac: you around?
[19:14] <fta> stefanlsd, yes but chromium is far from ready to do that. my initial patch to use 14 system libs has been lost during the transition to gyp.
[19:14] <fta> (it was committed upstream)
[19:14] <stefanlsd> jcastro: no problem. would be great to get it through revu.  few small issues we need to sort out :)
[19:15] <jcastro> yeah for some reason after installing it my prism gmail thing started launching the calendar instead
[19:15]  * jcastro is digging through the lp bugs
[19:15] <fta> oh, for once, my name is used: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/hands-on-google-chromium-browser-alpha-for-linux.ars   neat :)
[19:16]  * jcastro hugs fta
[19:16] <jcastro> I am so tired I can barely type
[19:18] <stefanlsd> fta: nice :)
[19:18] <fta> jcastro, :) I just had a 1h20min flight so i'm ok, i just lost a lot of time in airports, trains and buses
[19:20] <jcastro> heh
[19:28] <fta> -rw-r--r-- 1 fta fta 227585328 2009-05-31 19:07 chromium-browser_<IP_ADDRESS>~svn20090531r17302.orig.tar.gz (with bz2 inside)
[19:28] <fta> -rw-r--r-- 1 fta fta 197049960 2009-05-31 20:26 chromium-browser_<IP_ADDRESS>~svn20090531r17302.orig.tar.gz (with 7z inside)
[19:28] <fta> better than the 381M tarball from yesterday
[22:09] <Jazzva> nhandler: yay. we got license and settings dir changes accepted upstream :) http://foxyproxy.mozdev.org/drupal/content/foxyproxy-license
[22:15] <nhandler> Jazzva: That is good news. I'm still waiting for a few other devs to include a proper license for some other extensions
[22:18] <Jazzva> nhandler: seems like we'll have to wait a bit more... look at #ubuntu-motu channel
[22:37] <fta> BUGabundo, spilled water? ;)
[22:38] <BUGabundo1> I moved a bottle thinking it was closed
[23:31] <fta> Selecting previously deselected package greasemonkey.
[23:31] <fta> Unpacking greasemonkey (from .../greasemonkey_0.8.20090123.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb) ...
[23:31] <fta> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/greasemonkey_0.8.20090123.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack):
[23:31] <fta>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions/{e4a8a97b-f2ed-450b-b12d-ee082ba24781}', which is also in package firefox-greasemonkey
[23:31] <fta> Preparing to replace firefox-greasemonkey 0.8.20080119.0-0ubuntu2 (using .../firefox-greasemonkey_0.8.20090123.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb) ...
[23:31] <fta> Unpacking replacement firefox-greasemonkey ...
[23:31] <fta> ...
[23:31] <fta> Errors were encountered while processing:
[23:31] <fta>  /var/cache/apt/archives/greasemonkey_0.8.20090123.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[23:31] <fta> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)


[01:55] <grover78> is it possible to run iTunes in Ubuntu somehow? I already installed wine, but I'm lost after that
[02:20] <grover78> guess I'll come back later..
[02:54] <ApOgEE> hi all
[03:49] <r4y> I want to learn this, I am not asking this for something I am going to do now, but I am going to make some notes. Please make this as simple as possible
[03:51] <r4y> I am confused. 32-bit=i386=x86 isn't there another that is also 32-bit?, I used to think the version of Ubuntu I am running is i386 but I did something in the terminal a long time ago that said i600 or something like that, maybe it was i500 and something, but I know for sure I am running 32-bit.
[03:53] <ApOgEE> r4y: i686 is also 32-bit
[03:53] <r4y> It would be nice to know this because I have seen deb packages with different labels like for instance i386, and so on
[03:53] <r4y> What do I type to find out?
[03:54] <charlie-tca> um, x86 is 64bit normally, 686 is 32bit
[03:54] <charlie-tca> type uname -a in a terminal
[03:55] <r4y> Linux ray-desktop 2.6.35-28-generic #50-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 18 19:00:26 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:55] <ApOgEE> for 64 bit, it will say x86_64
[03:55] <charlie-tca> that i686 is 32bit
[03:56] <r4y> OK, so let me get this straight
[03:56] <r4y> x86_64 is 64-bit, x86 is 32-bit, i386 is 32-bit, i686 is 32-bit
[03:57] <charlie-tca> right
[03:57] <charlie-tca> and amd64 is 64bit
[03:57] <r4y> Is there another name for 64-bit?, I mean like 32-bit = i386, so 64-bit = i#
[03:57] <charlie-tca> 64bit almost always has 64 in the thing, 32bit you see other numbers
[03:58] <charlie-tca> 32bit = i386, 64bit = amd64
[03:58] <r4y> OK, thank you for making things clear
[03:58] <ApOgEE> Anything from Pentium Pro (or compatible) to today by Intel or AMD are i686
[03:58] <r4y> I am going to make note
[03:59] <charlie-tca> ApOgEE: yes, but the kernel still uses i686 to show 32bit
[04:00] <charlie-tca> it is all quite confusing, isn't it?
[04:00] <ApOgEE> yes, kernel user x86_64 to show 64bit
[04:01] <ApOgEE> actually x86 is just the term given for the group of them, since they all have 86 in them.
[04:02] <r4y> TY, this has been very helpful
[04:02] <charlie-tca> That makes sense! they cover any ?86 that way, huh?
[04:05] <ApOgEE> kernel use x86_64 or x86-64 to show 64bit. more info here --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64
[04:06] <r4y> I am running Ubuntu 32-bit on a 64-bit computer, but I don't have much ram on this computer, but I found a thread here saying:
[04:06] <r4y> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/32-bit-or-64-bit-linux-kernel-56524/
[04:06] <r4y> Well if the IBM iSeries is a 64bit machine then it has to run a 64bit kernel. They're not interchangable AFAIK.
[04:06] <r4y> I am running AMD64
[04:08] <r4y> I remember asking about whether I should pick 32-bit or 64-bit. They said at the time that 64-bit has less working then 32-bit plus I don't have enough ram so using 64-bit would be pointless
[04:09] <bioterror> 64bit system uses more ram than 32bit
[04:10] <bioterror> I could say that, if you dont know much about the differences, it doesnt matter :D
[04:10] <r4y> Take care Charlie-tca
[04:11] <r4y> I guess he already left
[04:11] <r4y> oops
[04:11] <ApOgEE> ;)
[04:12] <r4y> I suppose if I had a lot more ram then I might try Ubuntu 64-bit to see if Mupen64plus ran better and faster, but most games seem to work with the setup I am running
[04:14] <r4y> I read that PS2 games run better on dual CPUs
[04:15] <r4y> I've read many people saying different out comes regarding the emulation of PS2
[04:17] <r4y> Some said it doesn't run at full speed even with the best setup, but then again that depends on the rom and how well programmers write the code for a rom to emulate
[04:17] <philipballew_> mupen seemes to run on my s64 bit install
[04:18] <r4y> Cool, so if I ever get more ram I will switch, then it's a matter of seeing what else works that also works on Ubuntu 32-bit
[04:18] <r4y> Back about a year ago I read about flash problems regarding Ubuntu 64-bit
[04:23] <philipballew_> yes, it has those. but i have 4 gigs of ram so i want to be able to use all of it
[04:24] <bioterror> pae kernel supports up to 64GB ;)
[04:25] <r4y> I have half a Gig of ram, so that is why I am using Ubuntu 32-bit
[04:25] <r4y> Sounds crazy
[04:41] <r4y> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/69585-should-you-choose-32-bit-64-bit-linux.html
[04:43] <bioterror> I chose 64 bit becouse I want more than couple of gigs in the ifconfigs transfers
[04:45] <r4y> In time things will change I think
[04:46] <r4y> Well, TY you all for the help. Take care o/
[05:11] <r4y> I am gathering commands, right now I have some lspci commands, such as lspci |grep VGA and lspci | grep Ethernet and lspci | grep audio
[05:11] <r4y> lspci | grep wireless didn't seem to do anything for me
[05:22] <r4y> Are there any other lspci commands to specify hardware chipsets?, VGA is for graphics card, Ethernet is Wireless I think, and audio is for sound card, so that would cover things I guess
[05:22] <bioterror> r4y, sudo lshw |less
[05:23] <r4y> cpu, usb, I know there is more of coarse, sorry
[05:23] <r4y> I've used that before  but without the less command
[05:24] <r4y> I just don't understand what less and more does
[05:24] <r4y> How is sudo lshw different from sudo lshw |less?
[05:27] <ApOgEE> r4y: less is just a viewer where you can scroll if the output is long
[05:28] <Captainkrtek> hello
[05:28] <ApOgEE> hello Captainkrtek
[05:28] <r4y> If the output is too long are there keyboard shortcuts I need to know about?
[05:28] <Captainkrtek> hi :)
[05:29] <ApOgEE> r4y: for example, if you type $ dmesg | less
[05:29] <ApOgEE> you can see the output of dmesg viewed in less
[05:30] <r4y> I've always wondered this same question for when at the boot terminal. I've seen the output go and go before and wondered how someone can get the info they need. Don't they need a way to also put that into a text file and so on
[05:30] <ApOgEE> you can use up/down arrow key to scroll up
[05:30] <ApOgEE> or down
[05:30] <r4y> does the wheel on the mouse do the same?
[05:31] <ApOgEE> yes
[05:31] <ApOgEE> and to quit, just press q
[05:31] <r4y> I see what you are saying for the boot terminal, then the up and down arrows would be needed I suppose
[05:31] <r4y> That's another story though
[05:31] <ApOgEE> you can also search by typing your search term beginning with /
[05:32] <ApOgEE> for example /shomething
[05:33] <r4y> lol, I have my terminal set to unlimited. I suppose there is a good reason they don't have it set to unlimited by default. Overloading space or something?
[05:36] <ApOgEE> r4y: if you want to save the output in other text file in the less view, just type :s newfilename.txt
[05:37] <r4y> What would the combo command be for that?
[05:37] <coalwater> good morning
[05:37] <ApOgEE> morning coalwater
[05:37] <r4y> Top of the morning to you coalwater
[05:38] <coalwater> im still half asleep and can barely see, and ty ApOgEE and r4y
[05:38] <coalwater> what are u guys talking about here
[05:38] <ApOgEE> it's already afternoon here in Malaysia ;)
[05:38] <coalwater> combo command
[05:38] <r4y> I am learning
[05:39] <coalwater> im in egypt, 7:38 am
[05:39] <ApOgEE> Malaysia, 12:39 pm
[05:40] <ApOgEE> ;)
[05:40] <r4y> I said that because commands can be used together, so I didn't know how else to say it, but it sounded dumb
[05:40] <coalwater> commands like what?
[05:41] <r4y> lspci | grep audio
[05:41] <r4y> what have you
[05:41] <coalwater> so any one lurking here who writes python?
[05:41] <r4y> I am still new to Linux
[05:41] <coalwater> and r4y i wish i knew how to use grep
[05:41] <coalwater> i know its a regex command but i never understand it
[05:41] <r4y> I've seen a few with grep
[05:42] <coalwater> hm lets try this
[05:42] <coalwater> !grep
[05:42] <ubot2> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[05:42] <r4y> dmesg | grep 'wlan0' and ifconfig | grep HWaddr and like the one I posted lspci | grep Ethernet
[05:42] <coalwater> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/grep there :D ty ubot2
[05:43] <coalwater> also the concept of the | pipe thing is kinda unclear to me yet
[05:44] <ApOgEE> coalwater: i wrote python sometimes
[05:44] <coalwater> ApOgEE, ever used any db connections?
[05:45] <ApOgEE> yes, why?
[05:46] <r4y> I guess I thought less was going to be different. I thought it was a one page at a time sort of this and that the page up, page down keyboard buttons where going to be used, but less show the output of the terminal so that if it is too long the terminal then doesn't have to be set to unlimited to see the whole output from beginning to end
[05:47] <r4y> This was from reading commands and what they do off of a peice of paper back when I was way more of a newbie then I am now, lol
[05:47]  * ApOgEE away
[05:47] <coalwater> ApOgEE, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5926632 im working on this
[05:47] <coalwater> aw, come back lol
[05:48] <r4y> I understand. It's all cool
[05:49]  * ApOgEE back
[05:50] <r4y> OK, I must not have understood, you guys are talking to each other not me
[05:51] <r4y> Regarding this, I don't understand: if you want to save the output in other text file in the less view, just type :s newfilename.txt
[05:51] <ApOgEE> coalwater: what are u working on?
[05:51] <coalwater> the programming challenges on the forum, a learning stage for me, python is new to me
[05:53] <ApOgEE> i see... there is examples already in the thread for python + sqlite
[05:53] <ApOgEE> just copy & try it
[05:53] <ApOgEE> ;)
[05:53] <coalwater> o, i didnt check there
[05:54] <coalwater> o and a small question, i've never used sqlite before, but i've heard it uses a file as a db, with no engine needed to be installed, is that correct?
[05:56] <ApOgEE> coalwater: this is a good example http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5935472&postcount=14
[05:56] <ApOgEE> yes, u just have to install sqlite
[05:57] <ApOgEE> it works like keeping the database in a single file
[05:57] <ApOgEE> like mydbname.db
[05:57] <coalwater> can those files be read as a text? or is it a binary file
[05:58] <ApOgEE> binary
[05:58] <coalwater> alrighty, ty ApOgEE
[05:59] <ApOgEE> welcome ;)
[06:00] <r4y> OK, I understand better now what you were saying about dmesg | less, the only thing now I don't understand is how to have that put into a text file
[06:01] <r4y> What I understand is that page up and page down do what I was thinking they would do, you said search by doing / then the word, q for quit
[06:03] <r4y> What you have shown me already is going to be useful to me. I always wanted to know how to search within the terminal
[06:05] <coalwater> when im stuck with a long output i do something like command > out then nano out lol
[06:05] <r4y> I remember learn before that hitting h in the terminal when using the man page opens help
[06:06] <r4y> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[06:07] <r4y> dmesg | less >
[06:07] <ApOgEE> you can use 'less' to check the long output, then save it to text file using :s filename.txt
[06:07] <r4y> O, so make a text file then save to it?
[06:07] <ApOgEE> r4y: the correct comand to directly output to file is $ dmesg > yourtextfile.txt
[06:08] <coalwater> ApOgEE, 'ImportError: No module named pysqlite2.dbapi2
[06:08] <coalwater> ' , my python is 2.6.6 , is that the problem?
[06:08] <ApOgEE> coalwater: did u install sqlite?
[06:08] <coalwater> yea
[06:08] <ApOgEE> perhaps sqlite3 /
[06:08] <coalwater> apt-get install sqlite right?
[06:09] <coalwater> ill check
[06:09] <coalwater> ok it did install
[06:10] <coalwater> still no change though
[06:11] <ApOgEE> you should use sqlite3
[06:11] <coalwater> how?
[06:12] <ApOgEE> import sqlite3
[06:12] <r4y> OK, TY, it worked. I going to make notes
[06:15] <ApOgEE> coalwater: i'm wrong... import pysqlite2.dbapi2 as sqlite
[06:15] <ApOgEE> should work
[06:15] <coalwater> isn't that what the forum post already was? i tried that
[06:16] <ApOgEE> sudo apt-get install python-pysqlite2
[06:19] <coalwater> ApOgEE, http://docs.python.org/library/sqlite3.html#letting-your-object-adapt-itself can this do
[06:19] <coalwater> they're importing sqlite just like that
[06:22] <coalwater> should i just port the code to the sqlite3 ? since it's mrore recent?
[06:24] <r4y> So I can have any command's out put saved into a text file that is pre-made?
[06:24] <r4y> I am sorry, answer his question first
[06:26] <ApOgEE> coalwater: i tried import sqlite3 on my fedora(my work pc is fedora, no ubuntu to test), didn't work... perhaps have to install python-sqlite3 to make it work
[06:27] <coalwater> i did an apt-get install sqlite3 a lil bit ago, when u told me, i guess that's why it worked
[06:27] <ApOgEE> coalwater: yes if you can
[06:27] <r4y> I guess this answers my question: man apt-get > yourtextfile.txt
[06:27] <ApOgEE> it just didn't work on my fedora... heheh ;p
[06:28] <r4y> Really cool, TY
[06:28] <coalwater> heh
[06:28] <r4y> I tried the more command and I like less more, lol
[06:29] <ApOgEE> r4y: yes $ command > filename
[06:29] <ApOgEE> will send the stdout to filename
[06:29] <r4y> TY again, this will be useful for me in the future
[06:30] <ApOgEE> and if you do $ > filename , the content of filename will be emptied
[06:30] <r4y> I will make note of that
[06:31] <ApOgEE> please note that dollar sign ($) in my example is just to show the bash prompt. it's not a command
[06:33] <r4y> Right
[06:34] <r4y> I am not adding it to my text file for reference
[06:37] <ApOgEE> ;)
[06:38]  * ApOgEE away lunch time
[06:39] <coalwater> ok, see u later ApOgEE
[06:39] <coalwater> thanks for ur help :P
[06:39] <r4y> Enjoy your lunch
[06:41] <coalwater> steal a sandwich for me :D
[06:42] <r4y> :D :P
[06:51] <r4y> This is what I have so far:
[06:51] <r4y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/610450/
[06:51] <bioterror> r4y, what if you use >>?
[06:52] <bioterror> >> yourtextfile.txt
[06:52] <r4y> I will have to try
[06:52] <r4y> I need a sec
[06:54] <r4y> When I created that file to /usr/games I didn't have deleted set to use under nautilus, so where is the file so I can delete it?, .local trash or somewhere else, I haven't looked, I just wanted to let you know what I am doing
[06:54] <r4y> OK, it's not under .local
[06:57] <r4y> Where is trash otherwise located?
[07:02] <r4y> "/root/.local/share/Trash" never mind, I used google
[07:09] <ApOgEE> r4y: i see your note... here's my comment
[07:09] <ApOgEE> instead of dmesg | less > yourtextfile.txt
[07:09] <r4y> OK
[07:10] <ApOgEE> you can just do dmesg > yortext.txt
[07:10] <r4y> so less is not needed when having it put into a file, OK
[07:11] <ApOgEE> correct
[07:12] <r4y> Fixed
[07:12] <r4y> To have the full out put of a command put into a text file there is no need for less: dmesg > yourtextfile.txt
[07:15] <r4y> OK, I tried man apt-get >> yourtextfile.txt and I don't know how that is different then man apt-get > yourtextfile.txt
[07:15] <r4y> bioterror was saying to try 2 >s
[07:17] <bioterror> r4y, to the same file
[07:17] <bioterror> echo "what bioterror tries to say" >> yourtextfile.txt
[07:18] <r4y> I deleted the file and started over to make sure
[07:18] <bioterror> oh well
[07:18] <bioterror> you can do that as many times you want
[07:18] <r4y> That's neat
[07:18] <ApOgEE> r4y: the different is '>' will create/overwrite the file. while '>>' will create/append the file
[07:18] <r4y> append?
[07:18] <bioterror> look
[07:18] <bioterror> try it
[07:19] <ApOgEE> yes, try $ echo "hello" >> myhello.txt
[07:19] <ApOgEE> then repeat 3 times
[07:20] <ApOgEE> you will see 3 lines of "hello" in myhello.txt
[07:20] <bioterror> or change "hello" to something else
[07:20] <r4y> O, I see
[07:20] <bioterror> > creates the file again
[07:20] <bioterror> >> adds that stuff to the bottom of the file
[07:20] <bioterror> it will be handy
[07:20] <r4y> So leave what's there and write after it
[07:20] <bioterror> yes
[07:20] <ApOgEE> correct
[07:20] <r4y> making note
[07:21] <bioterror> there's lots of things to learn ;)
[07:21] <bioterror> those are just tip of the iceberg
[07:22] <r4y> right, it's crazy. Every subject can be like this simple or complex, or a mix of both
[07:23] <ApOgEE> ;)
[07:24] <r4y> I made a boo boo, lol, without opening another terminal how do I go from the > back to "ray@ray-desktop:~$"
[07:25] <bioterror> ?
[07:26] <r4y> I was going to do this: echo "hello" >> myhello.txt
[07:26] <r4y> but instead I did this without the first double quote: "hello" >> myhello.txt
[07:26] <r4y> I will post to pastebin
[07:27] <r4y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/610457/
[07:27] <r4y> I have wondered about this before
[07:31] <r4y> It's no big deal. all I have to do is close it and start up a new terminal if I wanted or needed it
[07:31] <ApOgEE> r4y: don't forget the 'echo' command
[07:31] <r4y> I have it, http://paste.ubuntu.com/610459/
[07:32] <ApOgEE> $ echo "hello there, this is any string" >> yourfile.txt
[07:33] <r4y> a string is a line a of words, right?
[07:33] <r4y> can it be a page of words?
[07:34] <ApOgEE> correct
[07:34] <r4y> OK, so both
[07:35] <r4y> I don't know if I should ask this but here I go, what characters should and shouldn't be used in a string and text file name
[07:35] <ApOgEE> line doesn't matters
[07:37] <r4y> You don't have to answer my last question, but you know I am trying to think, that's when you see smoke, and hear my gear sketching from the grinding and a loud explosion and then silence
[07:37] <r4y> :P :D
[07:40] <r4y> Alright, TY guys for the help. I should chill out. The weather got warmer here. Summer is going to be hot.
[07:41] <r4y> swimming would be great.
[07:42] <r4y> bye
[07:50] <coalwater> if i cant fix a wiki page cause it's immutable ( probably needs a higher auth level than i have i think ) who should i send it to
[07:51] <philipballew_> coatwater you need a launchpad account
[07:51] <philipballew_> *coalwater
[07:51] <coalwater> i do
[07:51] <philipballew_> you do have one?
[07:51] <coalwater> yup
[07:52] <philipballew_> not to ask a stupid question. but are you signed it to the wiki
[07:52] <coalwater> yup, checked that
[07:53] <coalwater> it's a help page, i think that's why it's immutable, they dont want soeone messing with it lol
[07:53] <philipballew_> whats the link
[07:53] <coalwater> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MoinMoin
[07:54] <philipballew_> what makes you want to edit it?
[07:54] <coalwater> see the link MoinMoinEtymology, it gives a 404, i just wanted to replace it with http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinEtymology, nothing important i know, but that's why i just was gonna change it my self and leave lol
[07:56] <philipballew_> lol. email them!
[07:57] <coalwater> them who
[07:58] <coalwater> i would have checked with MrChrisDruif i know he's a wiki guy, but he's not on i think
[08:08] <coalwater> philipballew_, someone in the doc channel told me it's immutable for them too, it's something that comes with the wiki installation, they'd need to upgrade the wiki version to fix it
[08:09] <philipballew_> coalwater that seems like what i suspected. i guess we'll have to wait on that
[08:13] <coalwater> hey ApOgEE , do u know if i could return a dict from an sqlite select?
[08:15] <ApOgEE> normally, you get an array of each row
[08:16] <ApOgEE> like (u'thedata',u'datata') for each row
[08:17] <coalwater> ApOgEE, yea, when i did a print and that's what i got, that's a tuple right? and i should know the order my self to use the data properly?
[08:17] <coalwater> i wanted something like an associative array in php, so i could call like row['id'] or row['name'] etc
[08:22] <ApOgEE> coalwater: i see.. u mean like mysql_fetch_assoc($result)
[08:22] <coalwater> ApOgEE, yea something like that
[08:24] <ApOgEE> coalwater: haven't tried that yet ;p
[08:25] <ApOgEE> tell me if you found it
[08:25] <coalwater> ApOgEE, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/811548/sqlite-and-python-return-a-dictionary-using-fetchone#811637 dunno why it needs all that lol
[08:31] <ApOgEE> coalwater: look at this hack http://www.mouldy.org/a-quick-guide-to-using-mysql-in-python <-- look at "Getting your results as a dictionary"
[08:45] <coalwater> ApOgEE, too much pain for something i don't need right now lol, im just gonna print the fields by index number lol
[08:48] <ApOgEE> hehe... KISS
[08:48] <ApOgEE> python coder love KISS
[08:49] <xardas008> do you want to say i am no python coder ApOgEE ?
[08:51] <coalwater> and whats kiss lol
[08:51] <coalwater> i know the mwah type of kiss, that's all lol
[08:53] <ApOgEE> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle <-- ;)
[08:54] <xardas008> i thought you mean the rock band xD
[08:54] <ApOgEE> xardas008 hehehe...
[08:55] <coalwater> o please, don't tell me a guy became famous because he made up that sentence lol
[08:58] <ApOgEE> haha
[09:06] <coalwater> ApOgEE, http://paste.ubuntu.com/610493/ finally lol
[09:22] <ApOgEE> coalwater: nice
[09:26] <ApOgEE> coalwater: i just s/sqlite3/pysqlite2.dbapi2 as sqlite3/ to make it work here... ;p
[09:27] <coalwater> lol good
[09:29] <coalwater> i could be a lil abusive and do an insert loop and crash people's computers lol
[09:29] <coalwater> since it uses a memory db
[09:31] <coalwater> ok maybe i shouldnt have said that on a logged irc channel lol jk
[10:23] <DenverP> I can't remember the password to log on to my laptop.  Any suggestions?
[12:24] <coalwater> if i want to import in a python class, should i do it in the __init__ or before the class definition or what
[14:18] <grover78> anyone here this morning?
[14:19] <raju> grover78:  here what
[14:19] <grover78> is it possible to run iTunes with Ubuntu?
[14:20] <raju> grover78:  take .exe with wine
[14:21] <grover78> ok... download iTunes, but run the .exe setup file in wine?
[14:21] <grover78> I've downloaded wine but haven't used it yet
[14:21] <grover78> I'm pretty new at ubuntu
[14:24] <raju> grover78:  open terminal
[14:25] <raju> grover78:  run " tar xvf  with tar file "
[14:25] <raju> grover78:  cd to wine folder
[14:25] <raju> grover78:  do ./configure
[14:25] <raju> make
[14:25] <raju> make install
[14:27] <stlsaint> grover78: there is only a certain known working version of itunes
[14:27] <stlsaint> grover78: wine will not ensure a fully functional itunes install jfyi
[14:27] <grover78> well all I wanna be able to do is load my music back on my ipod.
[14:28] <grover78> I've tried gtkpod but for whatever reason the ipod doesn't sync
[14:28] <bioterror> iFail :(
[14:29] <bioterror> iProducts are too integrated to iTunes
[14:29] <grover78> I agree bioterror but the ipod was a gift
[14:30] <grover78> which means I have to use itunes.
[14:30] <bioterror> :(
[14:31] <raju> :)
[14:31] <bioterror> hi raj
[14:31] <raju> bioterror:  hey
[14:31] <grover78> so is it possible to sync an iPod to my music collection (with or without iTunes) on ubuntu?
[14:32] <grover78> or do I have to revert back to XP...
[14:37] <bioterror> should be
[14:38] <grover78> should be... but how involved/complex a process is it?
[14:38] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone
[14:42] <grover78> that looks like it should work. I'll give it a go, maybe later tonight.
[14:42] <grover78> Thanks for the find bioterror
[14:42] <bioterror> np
[14:42] <bioterror> hope you get it working
[14:43] <coalwater> sorry but i alwaays like to do this
[14:43] <coalwater> !ipod
[14:43] <ubot2> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto - For the iPhone and the iPod Touch, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone - See !RockBox for information on liberating your iPod
[14:43] <bioterror> LIBERATING!
[14:43] <bioterror> that sounds good
[14:43] <bioterror> let your iPod play OGG!
[14:44] <grover78> LOL
[14:45] <coalwater> !RockBox | coalwater
[14:45] <ubot2> coalwater, please see my private message
[14:51] <johnny77> I have a dual-boot: Windows/Ubuntu. Is there a way to have Windows the default boot even after kernel updates?
[14:56] <stlsaint> johnny77: i must ask, why would you want that?
[14:56] <stlsaint> johnny77: to answer your question yea it is, remove linux....
[14:58] <johnny77> stlsaint: Why? There are some programs that either run a whole lot better in Windows or only in Windows, so I want Window default, but I'm not quite ready to completely throw Ubuntu away.
[14:58] <johnny77> I was hoping for a way to edit Grub to boot Windows by default not Ubuntu.
[14:59] <coalwater> yes johnny77  u can, i haev that on my comp
[14:59] <coalwater> to change the default option on grub menu
[14:59] <stlsaint> yes it is possible
[14:59] <stlsaint> coalwater: take it away :D
[14:59] <coalwater> lol i will soon, just waiting for a better internet connection
[14:59] <coalwater> applied for a new one , should be ready sometime next week
[15:00] <coalwater> lol
[15:00] <coalwater> i have xp, ubuntu is more well organized than xp
[15:01] <coalwater> i have lots of active programs, dont like the huge list on the task bar on the bottom
[15:01] <coalwater> <3 workspaces lol
[15:01] <johnny77> coalwater: I've read that if I change the default option in Grub Menu to 5 (windows in my case) it will boot Windows. But the problem is, if I update the kernel then it will two options to the grub.
[15:02] <johnny77> Thus changing the 5 to 7. So every kernel update, I'll need to manually change the number.
[15:02] <coalwater> it will what?
[15:02] <coalwater> o
[15:02] <coalwater> is that bad?
[15:03] <stlsaint> johnny77: you will not have *too* many updates and you can set ubuntu to only show whatever kernel you want
[15:03] <johnny77> I can do that, but I just wanted to check to see if it might be easier to put windows on the top.
[15:04]  * stlsaint goes to get some subway samich!!
[15:06] <coalwater> stlsaint, i'll always love this http://www.tomshardware.com/news/the-oatmeal-how-to-fix-computer,12618.html
[15:08] <coalwater> do a shell with regex that increments the choice +2 when runned,run it after each kernel upgrade, and of course it requires root access when u run it, or just do it manually :D lol
[15:08] <coalwater> or nvm, he left lol
[15:44] <kristian_> hi all
[15:45] <Sidewinder1> Mornin'
[15:45] <kristian_> I'm looking for a way to store a text file somewhere, then being able to edit it from different client boxen
[15:45] <kristian_> hey Sidewinder1
[15:45] <Sidewinder1> boxen?
[15:45] <kristian_> computers ;)
[15:46] <kristian_> so that I can work on it on one machine, then sync it and work more on it on another machine
[15:46] <Sidewinder1> Perhaps, share the directory in which you store the txt file.
[15:46] <kristian_> good idea, nice and simple
[15:46] <Sidewinder1> kiss...
[15:47] <kristian_> is there somewhere I can get a free account where I can do this?
[15:47] <Sidewinder1> Mornin' bodhi!!!
[15:47]  * kristian_  is a guy, btw
[15:47] <geirha> kristian_: google docs perhaps
[15:48] <kristian_> hey geirha :)
[15:48] <geirha> or ubuntu one or dropbox
[15:48] <Sidewinder1> kristian_, why not just do it on your local machine? Unless you're talking about shareing over WAN.
[15:48] <kristian_> I prefer to avoid Cthoogle for this
[15:48] <kristian_> Sidewinder1, I am talking WAN... and internet also
[15:49] <Sidewinder1> kristian_, kiss is, since I am, Keep It Simple Stupid... :-)
[15:49] <kristian_> for instance, I am in a train right now w/ laptop... would be nice to do these things
[15:49] <kristian_> ah, that kind of KISS :)
[15:49] <Sidewinder1> kristian_, Yes!
[15:50] <kristian_> keep it sweet, simple... I believe that is the bowdlerized version
[15:50] <Sidewinder1> kristian_,  geirha is much more familiar with WAN shareing than I... :-(
[15:51] <geirha> Well, sounds like Ubuntu One is what you want. Or Dropbox if you need support for more operating systems.
[15:51] <geirha> Or does UbuntuOne have that now? Haven't checked it in a long while.
[15:54] <kristian_> it seems proprietary
[15:55] <geirha> Yes, it is, but free as in beer
[15:56] <kristian_> did I lose connection?
[15:56] <kristian_> hurm
[15:57] <coalwater> kristian_, ping :P
[15:57] <kristian_> flaky train wifi
[15:57] <kristian_> I only need very little space... perhaps a megabyte tops
[15:58] <coalwater> geirha, UbuntuOne has a beta windows client i think
[15:58] <coalwater> im not sure if its still beta or not
[15:58] <coalwater> kristian_, i like drop box more, though ubuntu one has support for differnet folders on the system, dropbox uses only 1 folder
[15:58] <kristian_> windows is not an issue... Mac and Android might be
[15:59] <coalwater> ubuntu one's android client isn't free i believe
[16:00] <kristian_> I would like to setup this thing for me, but also for a friend
[16:00] <kristian_> seperate accounts
[16:00] <kristian_> but that's why I'm not sure what might or might not be used...
[16:00] <coalwater> and link both ?
[16:00] <geirha> kristian_: dropbox allows you to share folders between accounts
[16:01] <kristian_> no, different installations
[16:01] <kristian_> I guess I'll look into dropbox
[16:01] <coalwater> yea, and drop box has a mac and android clients, i just checked
[16:01] <kristian_> can I just scp or rsync to it?
[16:01] <coalwater> https://www.dropbox.com/install
[16:01] <kristian_> oh, gotta go
[16:01] <geirha> I find most Mac and Windows users I've met have dropbox installed, so having dropbox makes it easy to quickly share files with them without having to get your hands dirty with ftp or smb or whatnot
[16:02] <coalwater> sync happens as soon as the folder  content's change
[16:02] <kristian_> will check dropbox details later
[16:02] <kristian_> thanks for all the input, people - enjoy your day off :)
[16:02] <coalwater> https://one.ubuntu.com/plans/
[16:02] <coalwater> see u
[16:03] <kristian_> oh sorry, you might not be in Denmark ;)
[16:03] <kristian_> coalwater, no time now
[16:03] <kristian_> see ya
[19:05] <ApOgEE> hi all
[19:05] <ApOgEE> i have problem updating wiki.ubuntu.com
[19:06] <pleia2> ApOgEE: what's the trouble?
[19:07] <ApOgEE> Internal Server Error
[19:07] <pleia2> known issue, when you revisit the page does it show it updated anyway?
[19:07] <pleia2> it usually does even though you get an error
[19:07] <pleia2> they're upgrading the wiki soon so hopefully these errors will stop soon :)
[19:08] <ApOgEE> pleia2: ok, it works now
[19:09] <ApOgEE> but somehow, it use the old theme
[19:09] <ApOgEE> ;)
[19:12] <ApOgEE> thanks pleia2
[19:14]  * nlsthzn-work thought he was the only one getting the silly errors on the wiki... :p
[19:54] <Error404NotFoun1> R.I.P. #3 Harmon Killebrew 1936-2011
[19:56] <coalwater> #3?
[19:57] <coalwater> ok. baseball
[19:57] <Error404NotFoun1> #3
[19:57] <Error404NotFoun1> yes
[19:57] <coalwater> google
[19:57] <Error404NotFoun1> not from america?
[19:58] <coalwater> egypt
[19:58] <pleia2> a bit offtopic for here though :)
[19:58] <coalwater> yea pleia2
[19:58] <coalwater> wasn't planning to talk much lol
[19:59] <Error404NotFoun1> sorry for paying homage to the killer
[20:00] <holstein> Error404NotFoun1: you dont have to be sorry, just /join the OT channel mentioned in the topic, and say what you like
[20:00] <coalwater> huh, sorry if ur upset, but i don't really know this person
[20:00] <Error404NotFoun1> i said it in all channels...
[20:01] <Error404NotFoun1> and hes one of the greatest baseball players of alltime coalwater
[20:01]  * robbmunson gets out the broom and starts swinging the handle around.
[20:01] <robbmunson> ;)
[20:02] <Error404NotFoun1> no brooms plox
[20:03] <Error404NotFoun1> holstein:  you ever gonna tell me how to get wine to work?
[20:04] <holstein> well, wine is just working. you might need help getting something in particular to work with wine though, and i suggest wineHQ
[20:04] <Error404NotFoun1> didnt help much
[20:04] <holstein> not all apps work with wine*
[20:05] <Error404NotFoun1> nothing to do with apps
[20:05] <holstein> actually, it is
[20:05] <holstein> some apps work, some dont
[20:05] <Error404NotFoun1> actualy it isnt lol
[20:05] <pleia2> http://appdb.winehq.org/ is useful for seeing if the app you're trying works (or works well) with wine
[20:05] <Error404NotFoun1> like i said twice now, has nothing to do with apps
[20:06] <holstein> ^ yeah, and what version, and if there are tricks envolved
[20:06] <Error404NotFoun1> according to wine i dont have any optical drives
[20:06] <holstein> Error404NotFoun1: we covered that
[20:06] <Error404NotFoun1> obviously not
[20:06] <Error404NotFoun1> cuz it still dont work
[20:06] <holstein> right, how did my suggestions work?
[20:06] <holstein> copying the data locally?
[20:07] <bioterror> leave that windows thing alone and drink wine ;)
[20:07] <Error404NotFoun1> yuck
[20:07] <Error404NotFoun1> im a vodka man lol
[20:07] <bioterror> its time to leave exe files behind
[20:07] <Error404NotFoun1> and i dont want to copy data locally
[20:07] <bioterror> Error404NotFoun1, russian standard?
[20:07] <Error404NotFoun1> well once anyone on earth decides its worth making games for linux i will...
[20:08] <Error404NotFoun1> absolut vodka
[20:08] <bioterror> oh right
[20:08] <bioterror> psn is closed again?
[20:08] <bioterror> Error404NotFoun1, wrong! finlandia vodka
[20:08] <Error404NotFoun1> i was on like an hour ago... works fine
[20:09] <Error404NotFoun1> you are the one who said russian lol
[20:09] <bioterror> yes
[20:09] <bioterror> standard is good vodka
[20:09] <bioterror> its like premium
[20:09] <Error404NotFoun1> ok call me retard but i sudoed wine install and its on a eula screen
[20:09] <holstein> Error404NotFoun1: what was the word in #wine ?
[20:09] <Error404NotFoun1> how do i get it to continue?
[20:09] <bioterror> use tab key
[20:09] <bioterror> and press enter
[20:09] <Error404NotFoun1> lovely
[20:10] <bioterror> just like in dos
[20:10] <bioterror> :D
[20:10] <holstein>  /join #winehq
[20:11] <Error404NotFoun1> they suck lol, no one talked
[20:12] <holstein> i dont have that disc, nor access to it, but i guarantee you can sort out wine finding a CD drive
[20:12] <coalwater> just makin sure, the rhythmbox songs ratings are stored in .local/share/rhythmbox/rhythmdb.xml ?
[20:14] <Error404NotFoun1> people told me to manualy add cd rom and it dont work
[20:14] <holstein> people?
[20:14] <holstein> i suggested that, and i suggested copying the cd locally
[20:15] <coalwater> ok nvm found it
[20:15] <Error404NotFoun1> im not gonna store a few 6+ gigs games on my hdd
[20:15] <holstein> Error404NotFoun1: you could as a test
[20:15] <holstein> temporarily*
[20:15] <bioterror> hdd is faster
[20:15] <holstein> yup
[20:15] <holstein> ^ that too, improved performance
[20:15] <bioterror> and 2TB drives are technically free
[20:16] <Error404NotFoun1> then you buy me a big ass hdd to store them all on lol
[20:16] <Error404NotFoun1> free?
[20:16] <Error404NotFoun1> send a couple to me if you get em free
[20:18] <bioterror> you can open calculator and calculate what costs 1MB on 2TB drive
[20:19] <Error404NotFoun1> i just bought a 1.5tb hdd was like 70 bucks
[20:21] <bioterror> cheap as dollars value is low :D
[20:22] <Error404NotFoun1> yes our government is a bunch of morons...
[20:23] <bioterror> ours too
[20:24] <bioterror> we gave to portugal lots of money we dont have neither
[23:06] <truepurple> Would someone please help me with my video and sound drivers? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10842566#post10842566
[23:08] <truepurple> Anyone here?
[23:10] <head_victim> truepurple: I was just reading your post
[23:10] <coalwater> same
[23:10] <head_victim> I've never really had issues with video (I've always had nvidia cards) but I'm having a look around to see if there's anything I can find to help
[23:11] <truepurple> Someone else said they have near my exact same card, OS, everything, and it works for him
[23:11] <truepurple> Now mine is a upgrade where his was a straight install, would that really make a difference?
[23:12] <truepurple> upgrade from 10.10
[23:12] <head_victim> It's possible I guess. I generally only fresh install because I just keep my /home
[23:13] <head_victim> Most people are suggesting version 11.2 works ok
[23:13] <truepurple> What is 11.2 to 11.4?
[23:14] <head_victim> I meant 11.2 video drivers
[23:14] <head_victim> 32 bit or 64 bit?
[23:14] <truepurple> 64bit
[23:14] <truepurple> Well I install from "additional drivers"
[23:15] <truepurple> And what about the sound, how to I get that fixed?
[23:15] <head_victim> So the video is fixed?
[23:16] <truepurple> What a weird question, why would I have been able to manage to fix in in the last minute without any help
[23:16] <truepurple> Why did you ask that/what are you asking
[23:16] <head_victim> Sorry I thought the "i installed it from additional drivers" meant you'd been able to get it to work as you'd previously stated you'd had problems installing it from there
[23:17] <truepurple> If you read the post, you'd know that I mentioned having installed from additional drivers, but said drivers aren't working
[23:17] <head_victim> As for the sound issue, can you pastebin the output of the command "lspci" in a terminal please? It will help identify what sort of sound card it is
[23:17] <truepurple> Its not a sound card, its integrated sound, mentioned that too
[23:18] <head_victim> Yes, it's still an integrated sound card though
[23:18] <head_victim> It's just not a separate one
[23:18] <truepurple> Is purple the normal background color for terminal?
[23:18] <head_victim> I believe it's the default
[23:18] <truepurple> Not black?
[23:18] <philipballew> kde is black
[23:20] <truepurple> http://pastebin.com/FYhmzxZJ
[23:20] <head_victim> Does ATI have a separate control panel or are you just using the monitor settings screen to adjust your resolution?
[23:20] <truepurple> Yes, catalyst, but it doesn't work
[23:21] <truepurple> When I use it, it gives that error I mentioned in the thread, did you really read the thread?...
[23:21] <head_victim> Yes, I've just never used an ATI card so trying to go through all the things I normally check with generic video issues.
[23:23] <truepurple> On my old screen it looked black
[23:28] <truepurple> So how goes it?
[23:28] <head_victim> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Natty_Installation_Guide would be what I'd work through if I were having issues.
[23:30] <head_victim> And you have performed the "Restricted Drivers Manager" section already so I'd probably then work through "Installing the drivers manually"  to see if having a later version helps
[23:30] <truepurple> "However, the Catalyst 9-3 driver doesn't support X servers past 1.5, and it will not work with Natty!" What the hell is it talking about
[23:30] <truepurple> What is a "x server"?
[23:30] <coalwater> simply the gui
[23:30] <head_victim> That is what displays the information on your screen
[23:31] <truepurple> So what x server does 11.04 use?
[23:32] <truepurple> head_victim: I don't understand you
[23:33] <head_victim> truepurple: 11.04 uses x.org 1.10.1
[23:33] <philipballew> its not a gui. it what allows the gui to run
[23:33] <truepurple> So that is not past 1.5 then?
[23:33] <head_victim> truepurple: unfortunately without an ATI card I can't go throuhg all the steps on that page to see if it works correctly for your particular card. But it's the first thing I'd try if I were having problems.
[23:33] <philipballew> think kernal>xserver(soon to be wayland)>gui(gnome,kde,lxde)
[23:34] <truepurple> So its not past 1.5 anyway, right?
[23:34] <truepurple> philipballew: If you just joined, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10842566#post10842566
[23:35] <philipballew> should i join now?
[23:35] <truepurple> If you can help me, please do
[23:36] <philipballew> well ill read it, if i cant figure it out, ill ask around.
[23:38] <philipballew> sometimes the a.b. section on the forms is not helpful with technical problems
[23:38] <head_victim> truepurple: as for your sound issues I believe it might be a conflict between your hdmi and your onboard
[23:38] <philipballew> i think its because its only other people with problems helping
[23:38] <head_victim> truepurple: and I still believe working through http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Natty_Installation_Guide will be your best option to fix your video issues.
[23:38] <philipballew> ^probably
[23:39] <philipballew> takes some reading
[23:41] <truepurple> a.b?
[23:41] <philipballew> absolute beginner
[23:42] <head_victim> truepurple: for your sound issue if you go to the sound settings is one of them set as the default? If so check to make sure the onboard sound is as opposed to the hdmi sound
[23:43] <head_victim> philipballew: http://pastebin.com/FYhmzxZJ is their lspci
[23:44] <head_victim> I think line 10 and line 24 are the issue. I think it's defaulted to the HDMI output which, by the sounds of it, isn't being used for sound.
[23:44] <truepurple> Where is sound settings?
[23:44] <head_victim> In system and then preferences
[23:45] <philipballew> lspci |grep VGA   will show just the output of the graphics card
[23:45] <head_victim> Yes but we already know they have an ATI 6850 video card
[23:46] <philipballew> just saying for future reference
[23:46] <bobobobobobobob> hey guys
[23:46] <bobobobobobobob> any "big kahunas" here tonite?
[23:47] <UndiFineD> !ask | bob
[23:47] <ubot2> bob: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[23:48] <bobobobobobobob> I have a fix that seems to work for my broadcom STA drivers without all the hoopla...I noticed that I could get  on wireless during install.  So I figured install was using the STA.....So after trying several of the suggestions in the forums...
[23:48] <bobobobobobobob> I tried just reinstalling the bcmwl-kernel-source and it works
[23:49] <bobobobobobobob> from synaptic package manager
[23:49] <UndiFineD> great :)
[23:49] <bobobobobobobob> Hopefully, that will work for others too
[23:50] <UndiFineD> but wouldnt that fit better on the forum with the people who have the issue ?
[23:50] <UndiFineD> or a bug report
[23:51] <UndiFineD> honestly re-installing the package is hardly a bugfix, I would assume most people had tried that already
[23:51] <UndiFineD> but thanks anyway bobobobobobobob
[23:56] <head_victim> truepurple: how did you go checking the sound preferences?


[16:22] <doctormo> pleia2, cprofitt, greg-g: http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/07/09/ubuntu-classes-poster/
[16:23] <pleia2> doctormo: is there a fee for this?
[16:23] <pleia2> if so, should mention it :)
[16:23] <doctormo> pleia2: True, I took off the free tag from the previous design
[16:30] <doctormo> pleia2: Is organiser in american spelt with a z?
[16:30] <pleia2> yes
[16:36] <cprofitt> doctormo, nice poster
[16:36] <cprofitt> doctormo, did I show you my new desktop?
[16:36] <Severity1> doctormo, can peoplefrom remote location participate?
[16:37] <doctormo> Severity1: In this class no, it's a physical class, but I plan on processing one section at a time and I'll try and get introductions and course materials online if you want to keep up
[16:37] <doctormo> Oh by course introductions, I mean video
[16:38] <cprofitt> doctormo, tell me what you think -- http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7563229&postcount=224
[16:38] <doctormo> cprofitt, pleia2: revision 2 btw
[16:38] <Severity1> ahhhh thanks! im sure many will be interested! ^^
[16:38] <cprofitt> I do believe in Amerglish its with a Z
[16:40] <pleia2> doctormo: I think an additional attention-grabbing "Free!" tag would be useful, "Free" is too ambiguous a term in that context (could mean that there are training sessions on free-as-in-speech systems)
[16:41] <doctormo> pleia2: I'm trying to balance, I had an attention grabbing Free tag just a second ago, but advice from other community center teachers has made me rethink it since it'd attract people who are not interested in the course, they just know it's free.
[16:42] <pleia2> LUGs don't have that problem
[16:42] <pleia2> we put "Free!" on all our stuff
[16:42] <Severity1> or Libre
[16:42] <pleia2> (and people *still* ask)
[16:43] <pleia2> but I think it helps a little :)
[16:43] <ziroday> people do loove free stuff
[16:44] <pleia2> I have just never seen it be a problem in practice
[16:44] <doctormo> pleia2: I'm not sure what LUGs are like outside of Boston, but here the LUG is doing well if they message their own mailing list, let along others or posters.
[16:45] <pleia2> doctormo: the philadelphia lug has about 700 members, 3 meetings per month, we sometimes have events with posters :)
[16:45] <pleia2> we're big
[16:45] <pleia2> one of the largest and most active in the world
[16:49] <doctormo> pleia2: My LoCo tends to stay away from the BLU (Boston LUG) it's stuffy, technical, none advocacy, not really interested in fresh blood, but then it is old.
[16:50] <pleia2> doctormo: yeah, it helps that I run PLUG
[16:50] <pleia2> it's still quite technical, but I have pulled it in the direction of less stuffy, and more advocacy
[16:50] <pleia2> (mostly because that's more fun, for me)
[16:52] <cprofitt> doctormo, I would not make it free
[16:53] <cprofitt> doctormo, the advice I had from some organizers is charge $5 to reserve the seat and then refund the money when they show
[16:53] <cprofitt> that way you do not get people signing up and NOT attending
[16:54] <cprofitt> others also talk about 'value' - people devalue 'free' things
[16:55] <pleia2> yeah, I have heard that argument as well
[16:55] <doctormo> pleia2: you heard that from me!
[16:55] <doctormo> cprofitt: Yes I understand that
[16:56] <pleia2> doctormo: actually I think the first time was from emmajane :)
[16:57] <doctormo> :-P
[16:58] <doctormo> cprofitt: It's sometimes worth just pushing the money into refreshments :-D
[16:58] <pleia2> mmm refreshments
[17:01] <doctormo> cprofitt: That screen is bueatiful by the way
[20:04] <doctormo> http://divajutta.com/doctormo/sysadmin-poster.svg
[20:52] <Lns> doctormo: nice =) I still hate how the word 'daemons' has somehow transferred to 'services'..ugh.
[20:52] <Lns> see that everywhere now
[20:54] <doctormo> Lns: Services and Daemons are not the same thing, services can mean anything from disk space or ldap and doesn't really mean the running process.
[20:55] <Lns> doctormo: Gnome's "System -> Administration -> Services" app begs to differ
[20:55] <doctormo> Meh, close relationship
[21:21] <pwnguin> daemon is greek for life
[21:22] <pwnguin> daemons are processes that "live" without explicit users running or using them
[21:41] <doctormo> pwnguin: interesting