[03:16] <komputes> Anyone have a guide for everything working on 64 Bit Acer Aspire 5002WLMI
[03:19] <biotrox> hello
[03:19] <biotrox> need help
[03:19] <biotrox> anyone online..?
[04:11] <biotrox> anyone can help me/..?


[15:42] <JoseAntonioR> mhall119: hey, can we have a chat in ~5 hours? I didn't get to fix the page with what you mentioned
[15:46] <rsajdok> What does mean "MA" in "I searched for "boston" and the MA loco did not come up" https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-team-portal/+bug/885631
[15:47] <rsajdok> ?
[15:49] <JoseAntonioR> rsajdok: Massachusets
[15:49] <JoseAntonioR> Massachusetts*
[15:58] <rsajdok> thanks
[15:59] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: sure, I should be around
[16:02] <rsajdok> I am trying to login in http://loco.ubuntu.com and I get error: http://i.imgur.com/sLDsuZO.png
[16:02] <cjohnston> rsajdok: didn't you have the same problem on summit
[16:04] <daker> ValueError: That field has already been requested
[16:05] <daker> WTH
[16:06] <rsajdok> cjohnston: yes, I have
[16:10] <rsajdok> I have no idea what is wrong
[16:13] <daker> rsajdok: login again and make sure to check all the checkboxes on login.u.c
[16:15] <cjohnston> daker: he merged accounts
[16:15] <daker> :(
[16:18] <rsajdok> daker: Yes, I have checked all options http://imgur.com/hWwpI8T
[16:19] <rsajdok> daker: maybe, should you to remove my account by loco.ubuntu.com/admin ?
[16:19] <daker> rsajdok: i am not allowed to do that
[16:19] <rsajdok> I did it in local version of loco
[16:20] <cjohnston> daker: get mhall119 to fix it
[16:22] <rsajdok> mhall119: Can you help me to login in loco.ubuntu.com?
[16:23] <mhall119> rsajdok: I can try, what is your launchpad username?
[16:24] <daker> i think ~ris
[16:24] <rsajdok> mhall119: ris
[16:25] <mhall119> alrighty, so it appears Launchpad and SSO are out-of-sync regarding your SSO id
[16:25] <mhall119> rsajdok: what email address are you using to login?
[16:27] <rsajdok> mhall119<EMAIL_ADDRESS>http://imgur.com/hWwpI8T
[16:30] <mhall119> rsajdok: thanks, I'll have to get someone to lookup the correct SSO id for me, then I'll update loco.u.c
[16:32] <rsajdok> mhall119: what does mean "SSO" ?
[16:33] <mhall119> Single Sign On, it's what powers login.ubuntu.com
[16:36] <rsajdok> mhall119: ok
[16:40] <daker> rsajdok: so basicly the SSO id returned by login.ubuntu.com is not the same SSO id stored in loco.ubuntu.com
[16:41] <daker> because you'have merged two accounts in launchpad, and there is __actually__ no way in launchpad to let loco.ubuntu.com know that your id have changed
[16:41] <daker> so this have to be done manually
[19:54] <pleia2> daker: <3 loco.ubuntu.com! should I just comb through the changelog to write my blog post about the release?
[19:55] <cjohnston> pleia2: probably... if you have any specific questions then ask would be my suggestion.. its all fairly clear tho I think
[19:56] <pleia2> cjohnston: yeah, we had talked about this previously so I was just asking directly in case he had any additional feedback :)
[19:56] <cjohnston> gotcha :-)
[19:56] <cjohnston> he rocks would be my feedback.. hehe :-)  my feedback only matters tho cause of the subject of the feedback
[19:57] <pleia2> +1
[19:57] <pleia2> "I spoke to cjohnston about these changes, he said "daker rocks""
[19:57] <cjohnston> works for me
[19:58] <cjohnston> i dont know that you need to write any more
[19:58] <cjohnston> lol
[19:58] <pleia2> hehe
[20:07] <pleia2> cjohnston: oh, is this the upgrade that was happening when the site was down sun night?
[20:08] <cjohnston> yup
[20:08] <pleia2> (this always seems to happen sunday night, while we're doing our team meeting and everyone grumps)
[20:08] <pleia2> cool
[20:08] <cjohnston> i dont remember the exact timeline, but there was a problem caused by IS restrictions, so it errored, then they had to back it out
[20:08]  * pleia2 lives in the wrong timezone
[20:08] <cjohnston> hehe
[20:08]  * pleia2 nods
[20:43] <mhall119> rsajdok: you should be able to log into LTP now
[20:45] <mhall119> daker: FYI, cjohnston and I had a chat with richardo about these SSO issues with summit and LTP, and we should hopefully have an API to let us fix them in a few weeks
[21:00] <daker> WOW
[21:00] <cjohnston> daker: please review Bug #1147863 prior to continuing.. if you want to dump the task thats fine
[21:01] <daker> cjohnston: ok
[21:01] <cjohnston> daker: is there time either Friday, Mondy or Tuesday that you could do a call to sync on the changes for Summit that are coming up?
[21:02] <daker> Friday 21:00 UTC
[21:03] <cjohnston> mhall119: does that work for you?
[21:03] <mhall119> cjohnston: sure
[21:04] <mhall119> I don't think I had plans
[21:04] <cjohnston> daker: what email address do you want me to send it to? your @u.c wont work iirc
[21:05] <daker> cjohnston: PM
[22:03] <rsajdok> mhall119: it works :)
[22:05] <daker> rsajdok: WOW
[22:05] <daker> thanks mhall119
[23:05] <daker> this msnbot start causing unicode errors


[00:32] <Sadin> yay http://www.archlinux.org/news/arch-linux-turns-10/
[01:23] <SamuraiAlba> good bacon
[01:23] <SamuraiAlba> good night!
[01:57] <InHisName> cythes: maybe its time to pick place in Pottstown and just walk there and back.
[03:25] <cythes> InHisName: Not a bad idea.
[03:27] <InHisName> At least we have one kick off party in our area.
[03:28] <cythes> InHisName: you live local?
[03:30] <InHisName> I do, but I have 2 foster kids < 5 yrs.  I have a once a month break from kids on 3r sat for PACS mtg.
[03:34] <cythes> Hmm so we could plan a place that is child friendly... Like Friendly's in pottstown
[03:37] <InHisName> Unfortunately if my attention leaves one for 0.5 sec, their behaviour deteriorates rapidly.
[03:39] <cythes> Damn well I could post it up on the forums and see if there are any takers.
[03:39] <InHisName> Ever try a conversation in bird house at zoo with all the screeching birds ?  Kinder to your ears if they don't come.
[03:39] <InHisName> Sure thing!
[03:41] <InHisName> There's at least one more lives there, plus several nearby.  You could easily go over 3-5, and that'd be a decent crowd.
[03:45] <passstab> release party?
[03:45] <cythes> Yeah passstab I was thinking of one... since I have not been to one in forever / would be cool to start one lol
[03:46] <passstab> sounds fun
[03:46] <cythes> yeah trying to get an idea of how many people would come.
[03:46] <passstab> what date?
[03:47]  * passstab dosn't actually use ubu ;)
[03:48] <passstab> meebe you could do it in a park?
[03:49] <cythes> passstab: General linux party with a focus on ubuntu lol
[03:49]  * passstab needs to go to sleep in order not to be yelled at
[03:49] <passstab> yes i know
[03:49] <passstab> my point was i don't know the date
[03:50] <InHisName> If you want CDs to hand out, they may not be 'here' until early May or so.
[03:51] <passstab> gnight
[05:08] <cythes> Well if I do do a party... I think Limrick Lanes would be something fun :)
[05:09]  * cythes goes to sleep / to think about the idea
[09:45] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:51] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[09:57] <JonathanD> Hey
[10:25] <rmg51> o/
[14:04] <ChinnoDog> waltman: omg. I just thought of an extremely practical use for using that LaTeX editor you pointed me to
[14:04] <ChinnoDog> I have a Sharepoint wiki at work.  I could write my wiki pages in LaTeX and then export to HTML
[14:05] <JonathanD> heh :)
[14:05] <ChinnoDog> I mean, it defeats the point of the wiki, but I have no choice in the matter
[14:06] <JonathanD> .935
[14:06] <ChinnoDog> What is that?
[14:06] <JonathanD> a window number where I put a . in front instead of a /
[14:07] <ChinnoDog> You have 935 windows?
[14:07] <JonathanD> 959, actually.
[14:08] <JonathanD> I should probably close a few, eh? :)
[14:09] <ChinnoDog> probably
[14:23] <waltman> ChinnoDog: then you'll have 2 problems :)
[14:23] <waltman> maybe I didn't make it clear that I wrote that myself in about 2 minutes :)
[14:24] <waltman> oh, you're talking about Lyx, not my blog post yesterday!
[14:24] <waltman> does sharepoint use markdown? if so, there are any number of gui markdown editors.
[14:28] <ChinnoDog> waltman: no, it does not use markdown. It is wysiwyg. Problem is, what I see is garbage.
[14:29] <adom> JonathanD: 959 windows in what? in irssi? in your window manager? this has peaked my interest.
[14:29] <JonathanD> adom: irssi.
[14:29] <adom> that's extremely excessive
[14:30] <adom> what are all the windows for?
[14:30] <JonathanD> Mostly people who PM me, and I never close.
[14:30] <adom> ahhh
[14:30] <JonathanD> Every now and then I'll go close a few hundred.
[14:30] <JonathanD> and about 160 actual channels.
[14:30] <JonathanD> I haven't counted in a while.
[14:30] <adom> why do people PM you so often? and why so many channels open? bot stuff?
[14:30]  * JonathanD is network staff.
[14:31] <adom> for freenode?
[14:31] <JonathanD> Yes.
[14:31] <adom> oh. cool.
[14:31] <adom> so, you could probably see my ip even though i have a mask
[14:31] <adom> (please don't tell the hackers)
[14:31] <JonathanD> I wouldn't tell a soul :)
[14:32]  * adom hugs JonathanD.
[14:32] <JonathanD> We're very particular about what we will and won't disclose to people.
[14:32] <adom> whats it like working for freenode? do you get paid or is it a volunteer thing?
[14:32] <waltman> ChinnoDog: this is what I thought you were talking about -- http://www.mawode.com/blog/blog/2012/03/21/finding-duplicate-latex-labels/
[14:32] <JonathanD> It's volunteer, adom.
[14:33] <adom> what a nice guy
[14:33] <JonathanD> It mostly just means helping folks recover their password or figure out how to use nickserv.
[14:33] <JonathanD> Although I do some "realworld" freenode stuff in and around philadelphia.
[14:33] <JonathanD> geeknics, fosscon, etc.
[14:33] <adom> sweet
[14:33] <JonathanD> I'm the only one in this timezone now that jtrucks moved. :)
[14:34] <adom> So, do you like, know ChanServ IRL? He seems unfriendly. XD
[14:34] <JonathanD> He steals cookies. I don't trust him at all.
[14:35] <phatphoton> Hey there, is there anyone that could help or direct me to help with a hci problem?
[14:35] <ChinnoDog> waltman: do you write in raw LaTeX or do you use an editor?
[14:36] <adom> phatphoton: You could try asking your question and if we can help we'll try. However this is a small channel just fyi, you mihgt have more luck in a bigger channel like #ubuntu or ##linux.
[14:36] <phatphoton> any help is appreciated, but here it goes
[14:38] <phatphoton> I have a bluetooth mouse that used to work with 11.10 and now fails to pair every time. I looked at the hcitdump and it looks like it connects, discovers, authorizes, then disconnects (host command). No idea how to go forward with this.
[14:38] <phatphoton> hcidump**
[14:38] <waltman> ChinnoDog: Well, I use emacs, but it's raw LaTeX
[14:39] <phatphoton> I've also tried both the default manager and the blueman manager
[14:40] <adom> phatphoton: what do you mean "used to work with 11.10"? that's the current newest distro if im not mistaken
[14:42] <adom> yeah, 12.04 comes out next month
[14:43] <adom> well, the beta is out
[14:46] <phatphoton> adom: I've reinstalled a few times in the last month trying to find the most stable system so when I started I had just upgraded to 11.10 and the mouse was working, then I tried Mint 12, 11.10 x64 then back to i386
[14:47] <phatphoton> adom: fresh installs each time
[14:47] <adom> so ubuntu 11.10 the mouse works fine, but with mint12 it doesnt. correct?
[14:48] <phatphoton> I forget if it worked under Mint, It wasnt there long enough to test, but it used to work on 11.10 i386, and now that I reinstalled, it doesnt work
[14:49] <phatphoton> the last time I tried using it, I had to delete some "name - hexaddress" line from some deep file but I cant find the forum post i found that in the first time
[14:50] <adom> ok. im not much help here. but if i had to guess id say that you probably installed  or edited something on the previous 11.10 installation that you havent done on the new 11.10 installation.
[14:50] <adom> a setting, file, or package that you had but you dont now
[14:50] <phatphoton> probably. Do yo know of a channel for the bluez folks or general bluetooth ubuntu?
[14:51] <adom> i doubt one exists, but you can always try "/list" or "/join #bluetooth" or something similar
[14:51] <adom> dont forget to ask in #ubuntu and ##linux
[14:51] <adom> those are general help channels and full of people
[14:51] <adom> just be patient, answers dont get answered quickly
[14:52] <adom> don't *always* get answered quickly
[14:52] <phatphoton> hmm, alright, i'll try those. And I have plenty of laundry to get to so delay isnt the end of it :P
[14:52] <phatphoton> adom: thanks for your help!
[14:52] <adom> and of course, keep googling
[14:52] <adom> no problem good luck
[14:52] <phatphoton> the all mighty google, lulz
[14:52] <phatphoton> thanks all!
[14:59] <jedijf> wire stw
[14:59] <jedijf> ftw
[15:03] <jedijf> @later tell phatphoton, this post? http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11334168&postcount=1
[15:03] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: start a bot
[15:11] <adom> in case anyones keeping track, my TestDisk analysis has been running for 7days, and its at 69%.
[15:12] <adom> on a 1TB drive
[15:18] <adom> once it finishes in a few days, im creating a new server box at home. ive also decided to finally take the plunge and rid myself of all my extra systems lying around
[15:19] <adom> including my main (best) gaming rig. all in hopes of making enough spare cash to start setting up a newer, better gaming rig that lets me do WoW raids at higher than 2FPS
[15:20] <adom> i.e. 4 - 6 mediocre systems + 1 half decent gaming system = 1 pretty nice gaming system
[15:20] <adom> (hopefully)
[15:21] <adom> and while im doing all the work, I'm going to reinstall ubuntu server on my home server
[15:21] <passstab> did you decide on the release party?
[15:22] <adom> talking to me?
[15:28] <passstab> i was talking to anyone who was listening :P
[15:44] <adom> anyone else unsure about the new HUD stuff in 12.04? http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/248665/ubuntu_linuxs_new_hud_interface_will_do_away_with_menus.html
[15:46] <passstab> meh
[15:46] <passstab> i use synapse
[15:47] <passstab> that is the part of unity i hate the least
[16:47] <JonathanD> https://secure.flickr.com/photos/47445571@N07/6859946426/ Lunch :D
[17:35] <cythes> pleia2,  What do you use to configure your themes in XFCE or do you need to manually place them in the folders?
[17:48] <pleia2> cythes: i use default themes, i thiml the FAQ on xubuntu.org covers it though
[17:49] <cythes> I done figured it out :) -- It was not that hard
[18:12] <aurigus> hello all
[18:13] <passstab> hi
[18:15] <cythes> Sup SUp
[18:15] <cythes> brb
[18:18] <cythes> And back... only to reboot
[18:35] <jedijf> passstab: and all release party info will start rolling out shortly - anyone cna have an event - pottstown might be good for an hour first, to gauge interest/people
[18:39] <passstab> kool
[18:44] <cythes> Found one!
[18:44] <cythes> :D
[18:53] <JonathanD> One what?
[18:55] <jedijf> one
[18:56] <cythes> Theme :D
[19:00] <cythes> passstab, My friend... I was thinking about writing a new poetry some time soon.
[19:01] <passstab> cool
[19:03] <cythes> Yeah, dont know yet.
[19:03] <cythes> Just a thought.
[19:03] <jedijf> poen tease
[19:03] <jedijf> poem
[19:05] <passstab> thats a good one right there
[19:07] <cythes> Usually that is how they start and I end up just writing what ever comes to mind.
[19:08] <passstab> neet
[19:22] <MutantTurkey> laptop back
[19:22] <MutantTurkey> so pleased
[19:29] <jedijf> did they fix as a surprise?
[19:30] <MutantTurkey> no.
[19:30] <MutantTurkey> and they inored my request about the battery as well
[19:30] <MutantTurkey> the battery always has sat loose
[19:31] <MutantTurkey> just glad to have it back
[20:39] <Sadin> *cough* anyone wanna see my favorite music person http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2YSo8Z_-a4 really creative :D
[22:28]  * cythes looks around "Where is my mind?"
[23:21] <jedijf> over there
[23:21] <jedijf> under the poem
[23:45] <jthan> Anyone pretty good at using GIMP want to do a man a favor? :-p


[19:00] <rbasak> o/
[19:00] <rbasak> Who's here?
[19:00] <rharper> o/
[19:01] <tsimonq2> Heya.
[19:01] <slashd> o/
[19:02] <cyphermox> o/
[19:02] <rbasak> We have quorum!
[19:02] <rbasak> Any chair volunteers?
[19:02] <tsimonq2> Sure.
[19:02] <tsimonq2> #startmeeting Ubuntu Developer Membership Board
[19:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jan 28 19:02:59 2019 UTC.  The chair is tsimonq2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[19:02] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[19:03] <blackboxsw> \0
[19:03] <slashd> I'll chair the next one
[19:03] <tsimonq2> #topic Review of previous action items
[19:03] <tsimonq2> #subtopic cyphermox to handle the recent three packageset requests
[19:03] <cyphermox> *not* all done, sorry.
[19:03] <tsimonq2> Alright, we'll carry the agenda item.
[19:03] <cyphermox> some of this is dependent on seed changes that the requesters should do beforehand, I need to get back to them
[19:04] <cyphermox> (and making sense of all the changes, there's a fair amount)
[19:04] <tsimonq2> Sure, thanks.
[19:04] <tsimonq2> #topic Package Set/Per Package Uploader Applications
[19:04] <tsimonq2> #subtopic Ryan Harper application for PPU
[19:05] <tsimonq2> rharper: Hello!
[19:05] <rharper> tsimonq2: Hi!
[19:05] <tsimonq2> Could you introduce yourself?
[19:06] <rharper> sure,  I'm Ryan Harper;  I work for Canonical, on the Ubuntu Server team, since Oct 2013;  I've been using Ubuntu since oh, say, Breezy
[19:06] <tsimonq2> Cool :)
[19:06] <tsimonq2> For reference: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RyanHarper/DeveloperApplicationPPU
[19:06] <tsimonq2> Does anyone have any questions for rharper?
[19:07] <rharper> cd installs to make my ThinkPad actually work well.  I've been in Open Source for about 20 years or so;  I've lots of experience with kernel, virtualization, servers, embedded systems, and at Canonical mostly focused on storage, networking, and cloud-init as well
[19:07] <jbicha> o/
[19:09] <rbasak> I guess we should ask the usual questions then?
[19:09] <slashd> rharper, I didn't look in lp do you have any upload right atm ?
[19:09] <rharper> slashd: no, I do not have any upload rights at this time
[19:09] <rharper> PPAs don't count, I think for your question
[19:10] <slashd> rharper, right was talking about the ubuntu archive
[19:10] <rharper> yes, no upload rights to the archive
[19:11] <slashd> rharper, where would you look if a package you have uploaded get stuck in -proposed to find the reason why it is stuck ?
[19:11] <tsimonq2> rharper: Let's say either of these two packages are stuck in the -proposed pocket of the development release. What would you look at to see why that is the case?
[19:11] <tsimonq2> slashd: Jinx.
[19:11] <tsimonq2> (It's the same question.)
[19:11] <slashd> tsimonq2, lol
[19:12] <sarnold> lol
[19:12] <rharper> I would look in the queue for the various releases, (upload queue)
[19:12] <slashd> but let's say the package has been approve and build in -proposed (the package at this point is no longer in the upload queue)
[19:12] <slashd> but didn't get release in -updates after a while
[19:13] <slashd> where would you look to see what's going on with that package and see why it is not release yet
[19:14] <rharper> for SRUs, I track a release in a bug which has links to the various bugs that all need verified before it can be released
[19:15] <rharper>  This page tracks which packages have pending srus; http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[19:15] <slashd> rharper, yep that's the answer I was looking for tks
[19:16] <rharper> ok, for our projects, cloud-init/curtin we have an exception which has us track all of the bugs our upload will fix, and run verification on all of those; so we're the ones doing most of the testing
[19:17] <rbasak> rharper: what about for the development release?
[19:17] <rharper> rbasak: well, SRU's aren't for the development release;
[19:18] <rbasak> No, I mean non-SRUs
[19:18] <rbasak> When you upload to the development release.
[19:18] <rbasak> Say for example you upload a new cloud-init to Disco, and you see something like this (but for cloud-init): https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libphp%2Dphpmailer
[19:19] <jbicha> rharper: cloud-init was uploaded to disco on Saturday. Where would you check to find out why it isn't in disco yet (but only in disco-proposed)?
[19:19] <rbasak> In this example you'll have just uploaded 6.0.6-0.1.
[19:19] <rbasak> What would you do next?
[19:21] <rharper> rbasak: for devel uploads, i'd check to see if the package failed to build, http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/
[19:22] <rbasak> rharper: let's say it doesn't appear there. What next?
[19:23] <rharper> there may be a dependency that hasn't landed yet,
[19:26] <rharper> that is, something else may be holding up other packages from going into the archive;  In the absense of information, I'd likely head to #ubuntu-release and ask for some help
[19:26] <tsimonq2> That could be correct, but how do you confirm that?
[19:28] <cyphermox> rharper: do you know where the migration report lives?
[19:28] <cyphermox> tsimonq2: rbasak: I think we would do well to be clearer with our questions so that what we're looking for isn't ambiguous
[19:28] <rharper> cyphermox: no, I've not seen that URL
[19:29] <cyphermox> ack
[19:29] <slashd> rharper, one last question for me ... talking about devel release ... when should you stop introducing new features for let's say 'cloud-init' (for the current devel cycle) ?
[19:29] <cyphermox> rharper: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration
[19:30] <rharper> slashd: each ubuntu cycle has a FeatureFreeze date set by the release schedule;  ideally we'll need to have landed all of those features before that date;  otherwise we need FeatureFreeze Exceptions
[19:31] <slashd> rharper, tks
[19:31] <jbicha> rharper: are you familiar with the term NBS?
[19:31] <rharper> cyphermox: thx
[19:31] <rharper> jbicha: no, I've not seen that
[19:32] <jbicha> rharper: the term comes from Debian and means "no longer built from source". See https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html
[19:32] <jbicha> in this case, netplan.io has stopped building its nplan transitional package but cloud-init still depends on that package name
[19:34] <rharper> jbicha: interesting; yes we'll need disco to use the new name in the disco archive, we'll maintain the older deps in a our per-release branches ;
[19:34] <jbicha> I don't think you're going to need that page very often; it's very specific to a particular kind of archive maintenance work
[19:34] <jbicha> it's not required for this application at all, I was just mentioning it as something your team can follow up on later
[19:34] <cyphermox> it's also something that shows up elsewhere
[19:34] <cyphermox> (in other reports)
[19:35] <rharper> jbicha: indeed
[19:35] <jbicha> I don't have any other questions today 😊
[19:35] <blackboxsw> rharper: from my end, both cloud-init and curtin projects have a number of tools and scripts to streamline our release process. What do you feel could use more improvement to ensure quality or ease of release for the SRU verification process?
[19:37] <rharper> blackboxsw: I think our biggest challenge is regression detection;  cloud-init runs in so many places, and we have to deal with upgrades and new instances; it's quite hard to ensure we've got as much coverage as possible;  We've got on our list (with partners) to enable more CI on target platforms; which will help raise confidence that releasing things won't break customers
[19:38] <tsimonq2> Any other questions or are we ready to vote?
[19:38] <jbicha> cloud-init is one of my favorite things made by Canonical :)
[19:39] <tsimonq2> ^
[19:39] <cyphermox> ready to vote.
[19:39] <slashd> tsimonq2, I'm good to vote
[19:40] <tsimonq2> #vote rharper PPU for cloud-init, curtin
[19:40] <meetingology> Please vote on: rharper PPU for cloud-init, curtin
[19:40] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[19:40] <jbicha> +1
[19:40] <meetingology> +1 received from jbicha
[19:40] <tsimonq2> +1
[19:40] <meetingology> +1 received from tsimonq2
[19:41] <slashd> +1
[19:41] <meetingology> +1 received from slashd
[19:41] <cyphermox> +1
[19:41] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[19:42] <tsimonq2> rbasak?
[19:42] <rbasak> +0 rharper is on my team at Canonical, so my usual (personal) policy applies: I abstain unless everyone else present is unanimously +1 and my vote is required for quorum or some other procedural issue.
[19:42] <meetingology> +0 rharper is on my team at Canonical, so my usual (personal) policy applies: I abstain unless everyone else present is unanimously +1 and my vote is required for quorum or some other procedural issue. received from rbasak
[19:42] <tsimonq2> ah
[19:42] <tsimonq2> #endvote
[19:42] <meetingology> Voting ended on: rharper PPU for cloud-init, curtin
[19:42] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[19:42] <meetingology> Motion carried
[19:42] <rbasak> rharper: congratulations!
[19:42] <tsimonq2> rharper: Congratulations. :)
[19:42] <slashd> Congrats rharper
[19:42] <blackboxsw> woot!
[19:42] <rharper> \o/
[19:43] <tsimonq2> Anyone want to volunteer to handle ACLs?
[19:43] <slashd> tsimonq2, I'll do it
[19:43]  * blackboxsw is greatful for the help  rharper can now provide
[19:43] <tsimonq2> Alright, cool.
[19:43] <sarnold> rharper: congratulations :)
[19:43] <tsimonq2> #topic AOB
[19:43] <blackboxsw> *grateful
[19:43] <tsimonq2> Anything else, folks?
[19:43] <rharper> sarnold: thanks!
[19:43] <rbasak> tsimonq2: could you assign actions for slashd please, so we can track it?
[19:43] <rbasak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase#Actions_after_a_successful_applications
[19:44] <rbasak> calls for two actions
[19:44] <rbasak> slashd: and that link has instructions for you too
[19:44] <slashd> rbasak, I appreciate it
[19:45] <tsimonq2> rbasak: Oh, sure.
[19:45] <tsimonq2> #action slashd to handle ACLs for rharper's PPU application
[19:45] <meetingology> ACTION: slashd to handle ACLs for rharper's PPU application
[19:45] <tsimonq2> #action slashd to announce rharper's successful application
[19:45] <meetingology> ACTION: slashd to announce rharper's successful application
[19:46] <tsimonq2> Alright, anything else?
[19:46] <rbasak> Thanks!
[19:46] <rbasak> There was a suggestion to better document what we expect applicants to know.
[19:47] <tsimonq2> #action tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know
[19:47] <meetingology> ACTION: tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know
[19:47] <rbasak> Thanks :)
[19:47] <tsimonq2> So we have it for the record. :)
[19:47] <tsimonq2> #endmeeting
[19:47] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jan 28 19:47:23 2019 UTC.
[19:47] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2019/ubuntu-meeting.2019-01-28-19.02.moin.txt
[19:47] <rbasak> tsimonq2: thank you for chairing!
[19:47] <tsimonq2> Thanks everyone!
[19:48] <cyphermox> ta tsimonq2


[00:46] <remline> Thanks Nixus, I ran into that and I'm glad to see that there is a fix!
[00:52] <Nixus> yay :-)
[01:18] <Nixus> when I press the power button, my laptop does an instant restart. please, any help? thanks
[02:48] <xubuntu247> hello
[02:49] <xubuntu247> can anybody help me with teh restricted drivers_?
[02:49] <xubuntu247> i enable them from the menu but i se no sign of my wirelesscard elsewhere
[02:49] <Unit193> xubuntu247: What chipset?
[02:50] <xubuntu247> bcom
[02:50] <Unit193> !b43
[02:51] <xubuntu247> let'ss ee thanks
[02:56] <xubuntu82w> Hey everybody. Someone in LQ is helping me and all I have to do in the nano editor is put a # in front of a line and I can't figure out how to do it. Can somebody please tell me how?
[02:58] <xubuntu82w> I can't get the cursor in front of the line. I can't paste the #. There has to be a way.
[03:08] <nanotube> xubuntu82w: just use arrow keys to move the cursor around...
[03:08] <xubuntu82w> nano, thx. I have a new issue now though. (I figured out how to put the # in).
[03:09] <xubuntu82w> My new issue is...
[03:09] <xubuntu82w> ...my instructions were to put in the # and then just "Save and exit nano by ctrl-o and then ctrl-x."
[03:11] <xubuntu82w> But when I did Ctrl-0 and ctrl-x I didn't exit Nano. It gives me this:  File Name to Write: /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:11] <nanotube> hit enter when it gives you filename
[03:12] <xubuntu82w> Well, it gave me that line I just put there: File Name to Write: /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:12] <xubuntu82w> So I should just hit enter?
[03:12] <nanotube> yes
[03:12] <xubuntu82w> I'll try it.
[03:12] <nanotube> it's basically asking you where to write changes. and the default is the file that you are editing
[03:12] <nanotube> (you can put in something else if you wanted to save a copy somewhere else)
[03:13] <xubuntu82w> when I hit enter I got this:   Error writing /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[03:13] <nanotube> ah... yes. you should have used sudo to edit as administrator
[03:14] <xubuntu82w> So what do I do? LOL
[03:14] <nanotube> so you should exit and try again. hit ctl-x, type 'n' to not save changes
[03:14] <nanotube> then, run nano again, using sudo. type: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:14] <nanotube> and it'll ask you for your password before proceeding.
[03:15] <xubuntu82w> so i just hit Ctl-x first and then type n ?
[03:15] <nanotube> right, hit ctl-x. it'll ask you whether to save, type n
[03:16] <xubuntu82w> ill try it
[03:16] <xubuntu82w> ok, it worked. Thanks! You going to be around for a few minutes? Walk me thru the sudo bit?
[03:17] <nanotube> sure
[03:17] <nanotube> but... i already did :)
[03:17] <nanotube> just put 'sudo ' in front of your previous command
[03:17] <xubuntu82w> LOL Just be there to hold my hand if I panic!
[03:18] <nanotube> hehe ok
[03:19] <nanotube> http://top-science-fiction-novels.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/dontpanic_1024.jpeg
[03:19] <xubuntu82w> LOL
[03:23] <xubuntu82w> ok I did the sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list command. I made added the # i needed to. I hit Ctrl-o then Ctrl X. then I hit enter. But the nano editor is still there.
[03:23] <xubuntu82w> at the bottom it says [wrote 56 lines]
[03:23] <nanotube> good, now hit ctl-x should exit
[03:24] <nanotube> you should have done ctl-o, enter, ctl-x. :) not ctl-x before enter. but no harm done, just hit ctl-x again
[03:25] <xubuntu82w> I did. It worked. So I did the  sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list thing correctly?
[03:25] <nanotube> so it seems :)
[03:26] <xubuntu82w> Okay. Phew! I'm good then. THANKS SO VERY VERY VERY MUCH!!!
[03:26] <nanotube> no problem :)
[03:26] <xubuntu82w> Have a good night.
[03:26] <nanotube> you as well!
[03:26] <xubuntu82w> Thx!
[07:40] <stfn_> so, running xubuntu 14.04 I made a standard upgrade yesterday, nothing fancy, but when I tried to boot this morning there is the splash screen, but instead of the login screen it goes blank. ctrl-alt-f1, ctrl-alt-f2 still work, so that's a positive, but really don't know where to start to try and solve this. any suggestions?
[07:46] <baizon> stfn_: reinstall lightdm?
[07:50] <stfn_> baizon: that's one thing I could try. I looked through the dpkg log and found that one of the packages upgraded yesterday was xserver-xorg-video-intel:amd64, so that seems like a likely culprit.
[07:51] <baizon> indeed
[07:51] <stfn_> But should I even have this package when I'm using a Nvidia card?
[07:55] <stfn_> ah, apparently I have switchable graphics in the form of an Intel HD Graphics 3000 as well
[07:55] <baizon> stfn_: only if you have an hybrid laptop
[07:55] <baizon> with an intel cpu/gpu
[08:11] <stfn_> baizon: yeah, that was it. the new version was a rather suspicious looking '2:2.99.917+git201526.64e9c790-0ubuntu0sarvatt~trusty', so I downgraded to the previous '2:2.99.910-0ubuntu1.3' and it all works fine and dandy again. Thanks for your assistance.
[08:11] <baizon> stfn_: np =)
[08:16] <stfn_> baizon: well, maybe not _all_ fine and dandy. I get the login screen now, but am stuck in a login loop. ah well, the quest goes on.
[08:17] <baizon> stfn_: try clearing .cache/session
[08:26] <stfn_> baizon: no luck
[08:52] <stfn_> changing the owner of .Xauthority and .ICEauthority allowed me to log in. some residual issues but nothing severe
[09:07] <ICTstudent> Hello, any help why isnt my xubuntu connecting to WLAN networks with Webauth
[09:09] <ICTstudent> It just keeps rolling to connecting icon but doesnt open the login screen on browser
[09:12] <ICTstudent> Well runned out of time
[13:28] <xubuntu32w> restated my xubuntu system and then it boots up to login screen and then just returns there after entering login info
[13:31] <knome> what did you do before restarting?
[13:31] <xubuntu32w> i think i changed the icon of the menu on the desktop
[13:32] <knome> any other configuration changes between the last and penultimate restarts?
[13:33] <xubuntu32w> nope
[13:36] <brainwash> maybe you need to change the owner of .Xauthority and .ICEauthority (common issue if one messes around with sudo)
[16:25] <GridCube> can someone explain to me what /usr/bin/X -core :0 -seat seat0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch" means?
[16:26] <GridCube> its using almost 40% of my cpu constantly
[16:26] <GridCube> http://i.imgur.com/MmhESEd.png
[16:31] <alcides> guys, does anyone has a tutorial that really works to make the dropbox icon appears in tray?
[16:32] <holstein> alcides: check out http://www.webupd8.org/2012/08/how-to-install-dropbox-in-xubuntu-and.html and see if its still relevant for your needs..
[16:34] <alcides> holstein i'm going to try
[16:41] <xangua> dropbox doesn't havbe a thunar plugin (¿)
[22:28] <kalkal> just wondering, what's the lastest version of xfce supported by 10.04?
[22:28] <kalkal> also, any instructions on updating?
[22:28] <kalkal> tried various but the repositories seem dead
[22:28] <knome> that's because 10.04 itself isn't supported any more
[22:29] <kalkal> yeah unfortunately, it's what my VPS service provides
[22:29] <kalkal> is there any way to update, even if it's not an official source?
[22:29] <knome> you should be in touch with them an notice them about it..
[22:30] <knome> there's only a way to upgrade out from that release, not packages within that release
[22:30] <kalkal> so I'd need to update to a newer version of xubuntu
[22:31] <knome> yes
[22:31] <knome> !eol | kalkal
[22:31] <knome> the last link covers those upgrades
[22:32] <kalkal> apparently, that breaks however they've set up their service. Oh well, I'll just have to be stuck with ye olde xfce
[22:32] <knome> you can upgrade to 12.04... which is supported for three more months, after which you will need to upgrade to 14.04
[22:32] <knome> i'd just be in touch with your VPS service to make an update to their services...
[22:32] <knome> 14.04 is four years (!) newer than 10.04
[22:33] <knome> talk about time to update :)
[22:33] <kalkal> they still seem to be writing new install scripts and stuff specifically for 10.04
[22:33] <kalkal> it's mainly for media streaming anyway, I guess from their perspective, the UI isn't all that important
[22:34] <kalkal> although I know there will be many other improvlents, notwithstanding secruity updates and such
[22:34] <kalkal> sorta scratching my head as to why they want to stick with 10.04
[22:34] <knome> well, the ubuntu 10.04 core is still supported for 4 months for server... after which they will run out of all updates whatsoever
[22:35] <knome> sorry, 3 months...
[22:35] <kalkal> will ask them if an update is on the agenda, for all I know, they're just prepping for 12.04
[22:35] <knome> so either they will upgrade, or run an unsupported release, which is likely to be bad for their reputation in the long run
[22:35] <knome> fwiw, it would probably be wiser to migrate straight to 14.04
[22:36] <kalkal> good point, well thanks for the info. I'll enquire about their upgrade plans and see what happens
[22:36] <knome> no problem
[22:36] <kalkal> bye
[22:36] <knome> and good luck :)
[22:36] <kalkal> :)


[00:06] <lownoize> hi
[00:06] <lownoize> is anybody here running vsftpd under ubuntu 10.04 server x64?
[00:08] <lownoize> and has an idea what could be the problem for the bug 590537
[00:14] <Moltar> Jordan_U: I finally got the system re-installed from the DVD, here's the boot info script output if you have a second to look at it:  http://pastebin.com/z4ZZhyW2
[00:14] <zoooom> I setup ubuntu to run an ET server. I can ping with it's IP but not it's name.  Do I need to run DNS on it?
[00:17] <NightDragon> okay, so since when is wpkg 'easy software deployment'?
[00:17] <NightDragon> is WPKG really as easy at it gets?... its about as easy as defusing a bomb
[00:35] <Jordan_U> Moltar: Interesting, and when you try to boot what happens?
[00:42] <Moltar> Jordan_U: It just says 'boot failed: Hard disk 0'.  Not terribly helpful.
[00:43] <Moltar> Jordan_U: That message is coming from the BIOS.  On these IBM boxes, it's uEFI, not really BIOS.
[00:46] <Jordan_U> Moltar: If you hold shift during boot is "GRUB" ever printed to the screen?
[00:47] <randy_> ?
[00:47] <Moltar> Jordan_U: Let me go try that.
[00:51] <Moltar> Jordan_U: No, it still just says Boot Failed.  It's like it doesn't recognize the MBR or something.
[00:58] <Jordan_U> Moltar: Are you sure that you're booting in BIOS mode rather than UEFI mode?
[01:00] <Moltar> Jordan_U: Pretty sure.  If I reduce the size of the RAID array so it's less than 2TB, I can install and I'll end up with a fdisk formatted drive that works just fine.  I don't have to change anything in the BIOS to do that other than delete a disk from the RAID array.
[01:01] <Jordan_U> Moltar: Maybe the BIOS code is trying to be too smart for its own good. Try asking in #grub.
[01:02] <Moltar> Jordan_U: I've tried using the grub-efi-amd64 package and re-creating the /boot partition as msdos so that the EFI BIOS can find it.  That allows me to set up an EFI boot option with the grub.efi image file.  That gets rid of the 'boot failed' message, but leaves me stuck after the initrd has been loaded.
[01:03] <Moltar> Jordan_U: Thanks for looking, I'll go try the #grub group.
[01:05] <Jordan_U> Moltar: There's been a lot of work kernel side recently to get video with EFI going well. This probably isn't very usefull to you on a production server, but maverick would likely work better when booting via UEFI.
[01:08] <Moltar> Jordan_U: Thanks, I'll at least try downloading and installing it.  It'll be worth a shot to see if it will boot at least.
[01:10] <Jordan_U> Moltar: You're welcome.
[02:11] <ader10> I can't use pureadmin to modify virtual users. pureadmin doesn't recognize that I have a user ftpuser and a group ftpgroup already made and it keeps trying to make them
[02:13] <ader10> And becauseit can't create the user and group, it won't even open the virtual user window
[02:13] <ader10> Any help on fixing pureadmin would be appreciated
[02:50] <zoooom> I setup ubuntu to run an ET server. I can ping with it's IP but not it's name.  Do I need to run DNS on it?
[02:53] <qman__> zoooom, you don't need to run DNS on that server necessarily, but you do need to create a DNS entry for it, or whatever other name service you're using
[02:53] <ader10> zoooom: If it's behind a dynamic IP it would be easiest to use a dynamic dns service
[02:55] <zoooom> maybe I'm getting it wrong but If I'm using DHCP from my router shouldnt I be able to ping it by name?
[02:55] <qman__> not likely
[02:55] <qman__> your router would have to have a dynamic DNS on it
[02:56] <qman__> most stock firmwares don't
[02:56] <qman__> dd-wrt can
[02:56] <zoooom> no I mean on my local network
[02:56] <qman__> yes
[02:56] <ader10> zoooom: likely
[02:56] <qman__> your router would have to run a DNS server that can update itself based on the DHCP leases it's handing out
[02:56] <zoooom> yea  it doesnt respond to it's name  but I can ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:57] <qman__> most routers' stock firmwares can't do that
[02:57] <qman__> dd-wrt has the software to do it
[02:58] <zoooom> OK I'll just use the ip then    thanks
[03:22] <ader10> Can anybody help me figure out how to get symlinks working with pure-ftpd
[03:22] <ader10> My user can't even see them
[03:22] <ader10> (virtual user)
[03:23] <ejat> bug 523148 , is it will be fix in LTS ? or maverick ?
[03:29] <spartan07> crontab not working. running LTS 8.04. tried editing 2 ways 1) crontab -e and 2) nano /etc/crontab
[03:30] <spartan07> when I run the command on the terminal it runs perfectly
[03:33] <bogeyd6> spartan07, paste command
[03:39] <spartan07> for testing:  echo "Nightly Backup Successful: $(date)" >> /home/seg02/vTigercrons/test.log
[03:40] <spartan07> need for work:  /var/www/vtigercrm/cron/modules/com_vtiger_workflow/com_vtiger_workflow.sh
[03:41] <spartan07> bogeyd6, the way it is in crontab -e : 05 * * * * /var/www/vtigercrm/cron/modules/com_vtiger_workflow/com_vtiger_workflow.sh >>/home/seg02/vTigercrons/workflow.log 2>&1
[03:42] <bogeyd6> oh
[03:42] <bogeyd6> there is your probb
[03:42] <spartan07> im running tail -f for the echo command running every min
[03:42] <spartan07> ??
[03:43] <bogeyd6> 05 * * * * /var/www/vtigercrm/cron/modules/com_vtiger_workflow/com_vtiger_workflow.sh > /home/seg02/vTigercrons/workflow.log 2>&1
[03:44] <spartan07> bogeyd6, not 2 >?
[03:44] <spartan07> isnt >> append?
[03:45] <bogeyd6> im telling ya
[03:46] <spartan07> ok 1 sec running
[03:46] <bogeyd6> 05 * * * * /var/www/vtigercrm/cron/modules/com_vtiger_workflow/com_vtiger_workflow.sh >>/home/seg02/vTigercrons/workflow.log 2>&1
[03:46] <bogeyd6> wtf
[03:46] <bogeyd6> 01 00 * * 1 /root/archive-mail > /var/log/archive-mail.log 2>&1
[03:46] <bogeyd6> 01 01 * * * /root/zimbra-backup > /var/log/zimbra-backup.log 2>&1
[03:46] <bogeyd6> that is my crontab on the zimbra server, works like a champ and the >> was causing the commands not to work
[03:47] <bogeyd6> Linux zcs 2.6.24-28-server #1 SMP Fri Jun 18 14:47:02 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[03:47] <spartan07> running 8.04?
[03:49] <spartan07> no go
[03:50] <bogeyd6> kk
[03:50] <spartan07> bogeyd6, echo running every min. not running :(
[03:51] <bogeyd6> you are trying to echo from a crontab command?
[03:52] <spartan07> bogeyd6,                   01 * * * * echo "Nightly Backup Successful: $(date)" > /home/seg02/vTigercrons/test.log
[03:52] <spartan07> just for testing
[03:53] <bogeyd6> uhm
[03:53] <bogeyd6> why not just put it into a .sh file and lets it run it that way
[03:54] <spartan07> just doing it to test the crontab. the other command is running .sh file but its not running either
[04:12] <spartan07> bogeyd6, wierd it ran but it truncated and time the command ran was 20:01:01 PDT 2010.
[04:13] <spartan07> its 21 20:11:02 PDT 2010, so its running but not running every hour
[04:15] <spartan07> sorry every min
[04:15] <twb> You haven't asked it to run every minute
[04:15] <twb> You've asked it to run on the first minute of every hour
[04:15] <spartan07> LOL
[04:16] <spartan07> how would every min be?
[04:16] <twb> * 1  * * *  echo foo
[04:16] <twb> There should be a header present when you run "crontab -e"
[04:17] <spartan07> no header
[04:17] <spartan07> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto
[04:17] <spartan07> it says minute(s) hour(s) day(s)_of_month month(s) day(s)_of_week user command
[04:18] <twb> Oh, sorry, every minute of every hour would be "* *  * * *  echo foo"
[04:19] <spartan07> 01 *    * * *   is right for every min right?
[04:19] <fallous> no
[04:19] <twb> No.
[04:19] <fallous> all asterisks for the time
[04:19] <spartan07> * *   * * *  is every min?
[04:19] <fallous> yes
[04:20] <fallous> 1 * * * * would be the first minute of every hour, * 1 * * * would be every minute during the 1am hour
[04:23] <spartan07> what about every 5 min? sorry for the basic quesitons I thought I had this figured out
[04:24] <spartan07> echo command is running every min <--awesome
[04:24] <fallous> comma-separated
[04:24] <failover> My bind is eating 160mb of ram, this is right?
[04:25] <failover> About 200 machines use this server as nameserver
[04:25] <fallous> so for every 15 minutes, say, you'd do 0,15,30,45 * * * * echo foo
[04:26] <spartan07> ok so 5 min would be 0/05 *  * * *
[04:26] <fallous> */5
[04:27] <spartan07> fallous, thank you
[04:27] <fallous> np
[04:30] <twb> fallous: dnsmasq certainly doesn't need that much ram
[04:37] <fallous> erm, that was failover not me ;)
[04:38] <failover> :)
[04:39] <twb> Sorry
[04:44] <spartan07> fallous, how would I tag a date to a log  for example the cron */5 * * * * /var/www/vtigercrm/cron/modules/com_vtiger_workflow/com_vtiger_workflow.sh > /home/seg02/vTigercrons/workflow.log 2>&1
[04:49] <fallous> I script pretty much exclusively with perl, not shell
[04:52] <spartan07> ok
[04:53] <spartan07> thank you guys for the help. crons working now. I guess they were always workign correctly
[04:53] <spartan07> LOL
[04:53] <ajmitch> */5 * * * * /var/www/vtigercrm/cron/modules/com_vtiger_workflow/com_vtiger_workflow.sh >  /home/seg02/vTigercrons/workflow.log
[04:53] <ajmitch> sorry, was trying to append date
[04:54] <ajmitch> $(date +\%Y.\%m\%d.\%H\%M) in the filename
[05:08] <FOCer> can't start mysql on 10.04 after making some configuration changes, even after reverted the changes and reboot the server it won't start either.
[05:12] <FOCer> any help would appreciated.
[05:42] <silentwhisper> is there an easy way to setup a mail server
[05:42] <silentwhisper> most of the tutorial are way to long to follow
[06:05] <KurtKraut> silentwhisper, if this mail server need to exchange e-mails with other servers around the internet (like @gmail.com), yes, it is a pain in the ass and very long process you need to follow.
[06:05] <KurtKraut> silentwhisper, everything that differ from the steps the tutorials provide will lead to all your e-mails being labelled as spam
[06:39] <ader10> Can anybody help me figure out how to get symlinks working with pure-ftpd? My user can't even see them (virtual user)
[06:39] <qman__> ader10, symlink paths are relative to the environment you're in, so if they point to something that exists outside of your chroot, or is in a different location because of the chroot, they won't work. Use mount -o bind if you need to link something outside the chroot.
[06:40] <ader10> qman__: http://www.pureftpd.org/project/pure-ftpd says that symbolic links can be followed even if outside the chroot
[06:41] <qman__> it must pre-process them then
[06:41] <qman__> sure the links are valid?
[06:41] <qman__> I make them backwards by accident a lot
[06:41] <ader10> I'll double check
[06:42] <ader10> Yes, the link works
[06:42] <qman__> ok
[06:47] <qman__> --with-virtualchroot: usually, when a user is chrooted (-A and -a options), it's impossible to go out of his home directory. Enabling that feature makes it possible: symbolic links are always followed, even if they are pointing to directories not located in the user's home directory. ... This feature isn't enabled by default.
[06:47] <qman__> in the compilation switches
[06:47] <qman__> I'm guessing the built in package doesn't have that switch
[06:47] <ader10> ugh, dumb compilers
[06:48] <qman__> it's a security feature
[06:48] <qman__> mount -o bind will work around it
[06:48] <twb> http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie
[06:48] <qman__> that too
[06:55] <ader10> thank you qman__
[06:55] <ader10> wait, it's still not showing
[06:57] <ader10> The mount --binded folder works, but it doesn't show in the listing
[06:57] <qman__> that's a bit strange
[06:57] <qman__> maybe it's got a single-filesystem limitation or something
[06:58] <Hilikus> can someone help me with sftp? my connection is dropping right after the user is authenticated successfully
[06:58] <Hilikus> here are the logs of the client and server
[06:58] <Hilikus> http://pastebin.ca/1905802
[06:59] <twb> Hilikus: how are you invoking the client?
[06:59] <Hilikus> sftp user@server
[06:59] <Hilikus> -v for debugging
[06:59] <twb> Hilikus: try that on mazinger itself
[07:00] <Hilikus> same thing twb
[07:00] <qman__> Hilikus, I've run into that in two cases--it'll do that if the user does not have a valid shell, and it'll do that if their home directory doesn't exist and they're chrooted
[07:01] <twb> Hilikus: pastebin "iptables-save -c" on mazinger
[07:01] <Hilikus> that user does not have a valid shell. i read that for sftp only i could leave the shell /bin/false
[07:01] <Hilikus> i only want to give the user sftp access
[07:02] <twb> Hilikus: that's not how you do it
[07:02] <Hilikus> damn
[07:02] <ader10> Strange, the mount --binded folder doesn't show in FileZilla but it does show in Windows Explorer
[07:02] <qman__> users need a valid shell to sftp
[07:02] <qman__> chroot them with the Match block and force-command internal-sftp
[07:02] <twb> Yep
[07:03] <Hilikus> http://www.minstrel.org.uk/papers/sftp/builtin/
[07:03] <Hilikus> step 8
[07:03] <Hilikus> bullet 2
[07:03] <Hilikus> so that's wrong then
[07:03] <qman__> yes
[07:03] <Hilikus> ok, so i'll change the user's shell
[07:03] <twb> Hilikus: anything more complicated than what qman__ just said is the Old Way
[07:04] <qman__> even with the Old Way, they still needed a valid shell
[07:04] <qman__> I used the one included with jailkit
[07:04] <twb> Actually that URL is using Match, so it isn't far wrong
[07:04] <qman__> but with the New Way, it doesn't matter
[07:08] <qman__> also, I'm fairly certain that bit about root needing to own the home directory is wrong
[07:09] <qman__> the user needs to own his own home directory
[07:13] <Hilikus> thats my next problem
[07:14] <Hilikus> if what the website says is true then it makes sense, cause right now the dir is now owned by root
[07:14] <Hilikus> and i get this error when chrooting
[07:14] <Hilikus> Jul 22 02:12:29 mazinger sshd[14872]: fatal: bad ownership or modes for chroot directory component "/tmp/"
[07:14] <Hilikus> the user's home is in /tmp/test
[07:15] <Hilikus> and ChrootDirectory /tmp/test/
[07:15] <qman__>  /tmp does have bad modes
[07:15] <qman__> it's 777
[07:15] <Hilikus> man does say that it should be owned by root
[07:15] <qman__> the parent directory to the home directory must not be world writable
[07:16] <qman__> and should be owned by root
[07:16] <Hilikus> This path, and all its components, must be root-             owned directories that are not writable by any other user or group
[07:16] <qman__> but the home directory itself should be owned by the user
[07:16] <Hilikus> that's where i'm, confused. why would i need to chown the user's home to root
[07:16] <Hilikus> it says THIS path
[07:17] <qman__> you shouldn't
[07:17] <qman__> but the directory containing the user's home must be root
[07:17] <qman__> and all directories above it
[07:17] <qman__> and must not be writable by anyone else
[07:17] <qman__> but the user's home should be owned by the user, and writable by the user
[07:17] <qman__> it wouldn't make a lot of sense if it wasn't
[07:18] <qman__> the user then couldn't create any files or directories
[07:19] <Hilikus> ok, so its every other dir in the path that shoyld be owned by root, except the actual, last dir in the path
[07:19] <qman__> yes
[07:19] <silentwhisper> how to confine a user to its own home directory only?
[07:20] <qman__> silentwhisper, chroot
[07:20] <Hilikus> yes, and in sftp only
[07:24] <spartan07> FYI: * * * * * echo "$(date)" >> /home/test.sh >> /home/spartan7/test.log 2>&1  gave me the datestamp and output of the script on the log.
[07:25] <spartan07> quick question. if everything is running good on ubuntu 8.04 server should I install 10.04?
[07:25] <qman__> spartan07, that's appending the date to test.sh
[07:26] <spartan07> qman__, its running the script though
[07:27] <qman__> if it is, that's a pretty bizarre parsing
[07:27] <qman__> I wouldn't rely on it
[07:27] <qman__> * * * * * /home/test.sh >> /home/spartan7/test.$(date).log is better
[07:28] <spartan07> ok I wont then. ok
[07:28] <qman__> or, if you want the date in the log, add it to the script
[07:28] <qman__> rather than a dated log
[07:29] <spartan07> is there a way to pipe output of the script to a script that adds the date?
[07:29] <qman__> sure, but that's a bit of a waste
[07:29] <spartan07> i'll figure it out. I need to learn to bash script
[07:30] <spartan07> for now I'll do what you mentioned and make a dated lof file
[07:30] <spartan07> *log
[07:30] <qman__> to make the script add the date, just add echo $(date) to the end of it
[07:31] <spartan07> ok , let me try. thanks!!!
[07:31] <qman__> oh, also
[07:31] <qman__> what I gave you won't work as-is, you need to put it in quotes
[07:31] <qman__> * * * * * /home/test.sh >> "/home/spartan7/test.$(date).log" 2>&1
[07:32] <qman__> since the default output of date has spaces in it
[07:32] <imyousuf> I have installed UEC and downloaded the lucid lynx 64 bit version from the store. Now when I am trying to run the image I am getting - http://paste.ubuntu.com/467353/ My machine configuration is core i7, 4G RAM, 1G VGA, Lucid Lynx 64-bit. Any idea how I could solve it?
[07:36] <silentwhisper> is this correct ?
[07:37] <spartan07> qman__, thank you that exactly what I have been trying to do all afternoon! im gonna idle here, maybe I can learn something LOL
[07:41] <Hilikus> is it not legal to hard link to a dir?
[07:51] <silentwhisper> sudo chroot /home/edwin
[07:52] <silentwhisper> very slow internet connection i need to restart brb
[07:57] <Hilikus> qman__: i think that all the dirs in the path should be owned by root
[07:57] <Hilikus> check this out
[07:57] <Hilikus> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590
[07:57] <Hilikus> its really strange though, why would the user's home dir be owned by root
[07:57] <Hilikus> ChrootDirectory /home/%u
[07:58] <Hilikus> which is the user's home dir
[07:58] <Hilikus> The directory in which to chroot() must be owned by root.
[08:01] <twb> Isn't there a %x variable specifically used for the home dir?
[08:02] <twb> yeah, %d
[08:04] <Hilikus> yea, but still, whatever is the dir of the jail, it should be owned by root
[08:04] <imyousuf> I have installed UEC and downloaded the lucid lynx 64 bit version from the store. Now when I am trying to run the image I am getting - http://paste.ubuntu.com/467353/ My machine configuration is core i7, 4G RAM, 1G VGA, Lucid Lynx 64-bit. Any idea how I could solve it? (re-run)
[08:05] <Hilikus> so i don't understand how to trap a user in its own home
[08:05] <Hilikus> since its own home would have to be owned by root
[08:24] <Roxyhart0> HI there somebody know how i can create a virtual interface but not associated
[08:24] <Roxyhart0> to any ethX?
[08:25] <larsemil> imyousuf: dont you need like three computers to use UEC?
[08:25] <imyousuf> larsemil: I made the same computer as node control and cluster control
[08:26] <imyousuf> do I still need 3 computers? I am absolutely new to UEC, so please forgive my ignorance or stupidities.
[08:29] <larsemil> imyousuf: i did not use it myself, sorry
[08:31] <imyousuf> no problem larsemil, in that case I am just did one step more than you :)
[08:31] <larsemil> i think you need two nodes atleast
[08:32] <imyousuf> hmm
[08:32] <imyousuf> where do I find documentation on that?
[08:32] <imyousuf> because its first time I heard that I need *at least* 2 computers :(
[08:58] <smoser> TeTeT, i responded to https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eucalyptus/+question/118429
[08:58] <smoser> i think the user has a funky environment in some way.
[08:58] <smoser> note that the program they're running is in /usr/local/bin
[08:59] <TeTeT> smoser: ah, ok, I don't have 9.10 any longer around, otherwise I'd have tested it
[09:00] <smoser> i didn't see anywhere we the opener mentioned the client (where euca2ools was being run)
[09:00] <smoser> the server is seemingly carmic
[09:00] <smoser> karmic
[09:11] <overrider> What is (argueably) the most used tool to monitor my servers logfiles, and send me e-mail on things that look suspicious? On my OpenBSD Machines i like to use logsentry; is that also the tool of choice on Ubuntu Server? Thanks
[09:20] <larsemil> nagios maybe?
[10:00] <_ruben> overrider: we use SEC (simple event correlator) for that
[10:34] <binBASH> moin \sh
[10:35] <\sh> hey binBASH
[10:35] <binBASH> Gruss aus LU :P
[11:26] <silentwhisper> what mail server is usually used in accessing through web
[11:27] <Carachi> hello, i try to install postfix but i have this problem: when i test postfix via telnet  (ehlo) it  not write AUTH LOGIN PLAIN and AUTH=LOGIN PLAIN . how can i solve it?
[11:38] <qman__> Carachi, it isn't supposed to, or at least none of mine do
[11:39] <qman__> the process is telnet, ehlo hostname, user username
[11:40] <Carachi> qman__ i do ehlo hostname
[11:40] <Carachi> 250-kalilab.it
[11:40] <Carachi> 250-PIPELINING
[11:40] <Carachi> 250-SIZE 10240000
[11:40] <Carachi> 250-VRFY
[11:40] <Carachi> 250-ETRN
[11:40] <Carachi> 250-STARTTLS
[11:40] <Carachi> 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
[11:40] <Carachi> 250-8BITMIME
[11:40] <Carachi> 250 DSN
[11:41] <qman__> !pastebin
[11:41] <qman__> but yes, that's the same thing I get
[11:41] <Carachi> and how can i solve this problem?
[11:42] <qman__> I wasn't aware that's a problem
[11:42] <qman__> my servers send mail just fine
[11:55] <qman__> ah, pretty sure what you're looking for is smtpd_sasl_auth_enable in /etc/postfix/main.cf
[12:05] <Carachi> yes is enable
[12:23] <progre55> hi people! I've got a server that's using the CEST timezone.. how can I change it to UTC? and will it affect the applications and services running on it? like, mysql
[12:28] <sommer> morning all
[12:28] <progre55> day
[12:52] <qman__> progre55, timestamps and such use UTC, so there's nothing to worry about there
[12:53] <qman__> that is, file timestamps and database transactions
[12:53] <qman__> log timestamps will change
[12:54] <qman__> the command is `sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata`
[12:54] <progre55> qman__: thanks. but will I have to reboot then?
[12:54] <qman__> probably not
[12:55] <qman__> I haven't tried it but I don't see why you would need to
[12:57] <progre55> qman__: I've been using puppets, and my server shows me "Thu Jul 22 13:55:34 CEST 2010" while my client has "Thu Jul 22 11:55:40 UTC 2010". and I'm getting errors while connecting.. I was assuming there was a problem with timezones, as the connection is over SSL
[12:58] <qman__> progre55, timezone is not likely the problem
[12:58] <qman__> run `date -u` to ensure they agree on UTC
[12:59] <progre55> qman__: sec
[12:59] <progre55> yeah, they're the same..
[12:59] <progre55> qman__: familiar with puppets by any chance? =)
[12:59] <qman__> no, I'm not
[12:59] <qman__> I mean, it might be a problem, but that'd be rather silly of it
[13:00] <progre55> qman__: well, I'll try to google more then =)
[13:00] <progre55> qman__: thanks man, appreciate
[13:00] <qman__> if the systems agree within the minute to UTC it _should_ make any time-based authentication systems work
[13:00] <qman__> no problem
[13:13] <psteyn> Hi guys, I've removed two NIC's from a server and left only the 1.  it's still called eth2 even on reboot...is there a way to 'rescan' / 'remap' it so that it's eth0?  This is ubuntu 9.10
[13:17] <qman__> psteyn, remove the entries in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[14:46] <hggdh> Daviey: euca 2.0 i386 is in the archive, but not amd64
[15:58] <urbis> moin
[15:58] <urbis> little help with proftp needed
[16:00] <SandGorgon> hi guys.. quick question. I read somewhere that EXT3 filesystems give better performance than EXT4 for MySQL. Is that true ? What filesystem are you guys using _in production_ ?
[17:27] <Hilikus> is it safe to do security based on user's groups? i have two groups: backup and sftp. one gives it access to reading the backups, the otherone gives them limited, chrooted access through sftp. sshd makes this distinction based on the user's group. is this safe?
[19:55] <Jeeves_> Anyone here in the UK?
[20:19] <rcsheets> I am trying to install Windows Server 2008R2 using virt-manager on a 64-bit lucid server. The ISO boots up fine, but as soon as I click "next" on the first installer screen, I get this: http://i.imgur.com/Tomty.png
[20:34] <dominicdinada> why is the servers asking about grub configs after the updates... i do believe this crap is bugged.... Update? Crash my servers ? not good
[20:41] <pmatulis> rcsheets: someone was saying the same thing yesterday. i believe they filed a bug
[20:41] <rcsheets> i see
[20:41] <rcsheets> thanks. i'll look around launchpad.
[20:43] <pmatulis> rcsheets: it you're around tomorrow i can let you know exactly, i have it in my irc client logs
[20:44] <rcsheets> cool
[20:44] <rcsheets> i'll try to stop by
[20:47] <rcsheets> i see a bug about >4 vCPUs
[21:03] <dominicdinada> Drupal = Trash
[21:07] <koolhead17> kees: ping
[22:20] <bogeyd6> how do i disconnect an iscsi connection? (i am the initiator)
[22:26] <lowridah> anyone familiar with kickstart options for ubuntu installs?
[22:27] <lowridah> I've got a %pre directive with a script that switches to TTY6, takes input for variables that get exported to /tmp/includes which is referenced earlier in the KS file, so I can set IPs and such from one menu prior to install
[22:27] <lowridah> this works great in Fedora/CentOS but in Ubuntu there doesn't seem to be a /tmp folder for ramdisk, does anyone know where ubuntu's chroot ramdisk is at during install?
[22:29] <stinger05> hi there
[22:30] <stinger05> does ubuntu 10.04 come with a GUI after installing it ?
[22:30] <lowridah> not server, no.
[22:31] <lowridah> if you need a gui i suggest desktop
[22:31] <stinger05> well actually i wanted a server with a GUI
[22:31] <nealmcb> stinger05: but there are various options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerGUI
[22:31] <lowridah> red the arguments against part real good though
[22:32] <stinger05> ok thanks guys
[22:32] <stinger05> later.
[22:49] <lowridah> really odd, I can have %pre touch /tmp/includes but the code ran in %pre won't write to /tmp/includes
[23:00] <jord> How can I tell my ubuntu 10.04 install to continue booting even if it can't mount one of my (non-boot) hard drives?
[23:00] <jord> Now, it just hangs if it fails to mount /dev/md0
[23:07] <talcite> hey guys, I'm trying to start up an iscsi target using tgtd, over an infiniband connection, but I'm getting an error "cannot initialize RDMA; load kernel modules?". The modules for iSER are loaded.
[23:08] <talcite> I'm also using IPoIB though, is it possible that you can't have both at the same time?
[23:10] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone know how to restart Subversion on 10.04 ?
[23:28] <rcsheets> pmatulis: i found the bug. it's not quite the problem i'm seeing. thanks though.


[00:20] <charlie-tca> Okay, I did all the testing for now. I have to take a break. I will pick up studio yet, either later tonight or tomorrow
[00:23]  * charlie-tca is tired. should have been "I did all the testing I can do, for now."
[00:26] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu images look good, I think
[00:27] <charlie-tca> well, except for what fader says is bad, I guess... :-)
[00:27] <fader_> Heh yeah, blame it all on fader :P
[00:29] <charlie-tca> I'm trying.
[00:33] <charlie-tca> did you add yourself as a user for the persistent mode test?
[00:34] <fader_> No... it still defaults to the live user
[00:37] <charlie-tca> Maybe that is the problem. Live user can not be persistent, as far as I know.
[00:41] <fader_> Well, the persistence worked fine
[00:41] <fader_> i.e. I could create a folder on the desktop and it would reappear next time I booted
[00:41] <fader_> Though I freely admit to never using the persistence outside of ISO testing so I don't know how it works too well :)
[00:47] <charlie-tca> Right. I thought you had to add a real user for sudo to work, but I am probably wrong
[01:44] <fader_> Okay, enough for tonight... ciao folks!
[02:24] <highvoltage> fader_: thanks for the edubuntu testing! goodnight!
[03:32] <charlie-tca> fader_: I tried to reproduce the persistent drive bug, but can not do it. Using hardware, I formatted my sdb1 as casper-rw, and everything works!
[03:33] <charlie-tca> Of course, this was Xubuntu 386
[03:35] <charlie-tca> fader_: it lets me add users, and even install hardware drivers
[03:53] <charlie-tca> fader_: and then my drive died... :-)
[04:06] <charlie-tca> Okay, good night now. back in about 10 hours
[07:15] <ara> good morning!
[09:14] <astraljava> Hey guys, Ubuntu Studio amd64 install fails with many Hash Sum mismatches. Any clues on that?
[09:28] <smb> Morning, I noticed something doing Kubuntu installation tests which I am not sure is really a bug or maybe just my misunderstanding. The installer now offers the tick box for third-party software (and i think it mentions mp3), though when I install and start amarok it will prompt for the installation of some codecs...
[09:37] <persia> Does amarok use libxine1-ffmpeg for mp3s?
[09:48] <smb> persia, You are asking me? :)
[09:49] <smb> persia, It seems to have it in its suggests list
[09:50] <persia> Not necessarily.  I just had a quick glance at kubuntu-restricted-addons and noticed you mentioned the need to install amarok, so wondered if maybe there wasn't a library put there for some reason.
[09:50] <persia> If it's in suggests, then I suspect that is how it does it, which is confusing, as "Instail 3rd Party Software" should install kubuntu-restricted-addons, which should provide that.
[09:51] <persia> My recommendation is to file a bug and indicate the bug on the ISO tracker.
[09:51] <smb> No not the need to install amarok. Just the fact that when I start amarok after install it pops up the installation notice for mp3 and video encoders
[09:52] <smb> Ok, so I'll do so
[09:53] <persia> Oh, then that's definitely a bug.
[09:54] <persia> the "...when I install and start..." confused me.  Amarok should be checking if it has the packages that are in kubuntu-restricted-extras before calling codec-install.
[10:02] <smb> Oh, yeah was probably a bit incomplete. The install part is the whole system and start the action after installation. :)
[10:05] <smb> persia, Hm, oh wait... Having my eyes a bit more open now, the offer is "mp3 *encoding*" and "video *encoding*", that is probably really not covered my third-party drivers
[10:05] <persia> Indeed.  The encoding bit is special.
[10:06] <smb> so no bug
[10:10] <persia> I'd file a bug anyway: that's a confusing interface.  Amarok shouldn't prompt for stuff that requires folks to check local legal restrictions if it isn't required for the current activity.
[10:13] <smb> Probably depends on your view on things. But I can file it, even if it only documents something confusing if you are not looking properly
[10:15] <persia> Indeed.  I thought the bug as first described might be RC.  I no longer think so.
[11:16] <davmor2> ara: I've just done a fresh install of UNE and it looks like the Broadcom STA drivers are no longer functioning so I'm gonna try the BC43 driver instead :(
[11:16] <ara> davmor2, ouch!
[11:20] <davmor2> ara: At first I thought it was just an upgrade breakage but it appears not :(
[11:21] <ara> mmm
[11:21] <ara> davmor2, have you filed a bug about it?
[11:21] <davmor2> meh System Error: installArchives() failed installing bc43 driver :(
[11:22] <davmor2> ara: I filed one for the upgrade failure
[11:24] <ara> davmor2, which is...
[11:24] <ara> :)
[11:26] <davmor2> ara: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/649357
[11:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 649357 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "network-manager on une will not connect (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[11:26] <davmor2> I'll update it shortly
[11:29] <ara> davmor2, thanks, I'll talk to JFo about it, later today
[12:08] <davmor2> ara: I've added some additional log info and that I've done a fresh install with the same issue tell JFo if he needs any other info to just ping me
[12:09] <ara> davmor2, sure, will do. Thanks a lot dave
[12:13] <bladernr> Hrmmm... has anyone noticed that the Kubuntu netbook image is >800MB and the Ubuntu netbook image is <700MB?
[12:14] <davmor2> bladernr: Shhhhhh you're not meant to notice ;)
[12:14] <bladernr> hrmmm it also still uses the ubuntu 10.10 splash
[13:01] <fader_> Morning folks
[13:04] <fader_> charlie-tca: Darnit, I was afraid the persistence sudo bug was something local to my setup :/
[13:04] <fader_> charlie-tca: Thanks for trying to reproduce
[13:34] <davmor2> fader_: you broke sudo now ;)
[13:34] <fader_> \o/
[13:34] <fader_> User-level privileges ought to be enough for anybody.
[13:37] <bladernr> ara:  wubi 32bit is a fail :(
[13:38] <bladernr> davmor2:  ^^
[13:38] <bladernr> heh
[13:39] <davmor2> bladernr: I'm midst my own releases at the minute should be wrapped up soon and I'll have a look I was hoping to of had chance yesterday but to no avail :(
[13:39] <bladernr> davmor2:  no worries...
[13:40] <bladernr> it's more of a procedural "Really f*cking annoys me" fail.  Wubi, run from a USB stick built from the ISO i just downloaded, requires me to download the ISO AGAIN in order to install
[13:40] <bladernr> I'm running through it with network active just to make sure it works otherwise.
[13:42] <davmor2> bladernr: I know why that happens I'm just not telling you :P
[13:42] <bladernr> oh well...
[13:42] <fader_> Out of curiosity, has anyone besides charlie-tca and me tried persistence in the live session?
[13:42] <bladernr> don't make me use improper English insults that I really don't understand
[13:43] <bladernr> fader_:  no... the rest of us are not masochists
[13:43] <bladernr> ;-)
[13:43] <fader_> bladernr: Heh, tell me about it
[13:43] <fader_> :)
[13:43]  * bladernr configures, but hasn't used persistence.
[13:44] <davmor2> bladernr: When you run start up disc creator to install onto cd it is completely modified it's neither an iso nor the cd so the checksum differs.  To that end it goes off and obtains a correct copy.
[13:44] <davmor2> s/cd/usb
[13:46] <bladernr> davmor2:  that completely makes sense, but it still shouldn't happen. :(
[13:47] <davmor2> bladernr: the issue is because of the sizes and additional persistence space there is no way to guaranty what the checksum will be :(  This is why the bit torrent client/iso grabber  got built into the system.
[13:48] <davmor2> bladernr: grab some rw dvd's works for me :)
[13:49] <davmor2> bladernr: with no network present from usb it won't work,  it will need to download the iso
[13:49] <bladernr> right... and I get that.  My issue is more with user experience in this case... given that Wubi is really meant for non-users who want to test the waters, asking them do dl the ISO then dl the ISO is not optimal... and even worse if said user lives without constant/reliable internet connection
[13:49] <bladernr> heh... rwDVDs...
[13:50]  * bladernr hasn't used an RW disk in ages...
[13:50]  * bladernr kept fixating them accidentally so just gave up
[13:51] <bladernr> davmor2:  ^^^ and even more pronounced since I'm doing this on a system with no optical media at all (netbook)
[13:56] <ara> fader_, I tried, and it worked
[13:56] <davmor2> I agree there is just not much going to be done about it I think :(
[13:56] <fader_> ara: Did you try using sudo (or anything that uses authentication)?
[13:58] <ara> fader_, yes, the wifi authentication
[13:59] <fader_> ara: Okay, thanks... it's just something funky in my setup then, I think :/
[13:59] <fader_> Not that I didn't trust charlie-tca, but it's good to have multiple confirmations :)
[13:59] <ara> :-)
[14:00] <ara> jibel, did you try wubi in 32 bits?
[14:00] <davmor2> ara: trying it now
[14:01] <charlie-tca> besides, I don't want to lose anther hard drive by reproducing it again :-(
[14:03] <jibel> ara, no, wubi r193 absolutely wants to download the amd64 iso even with --isopath on the command line. :(
[14:05] <charlie-tca> fader_: me too happy that ara tried to reproduce it. I never used that before, and did mess up the first several attempts
[14:05] <jibel> ara, if not the same problem that's close to bladernr's issue with the usb stick
[14:06] <fader_> charlie-tca: Yeah, I'm assuming it's just my stupidity at this point :)
[14:06] <charlie-tca> Nope, I reproduced it my first two or three tries, but it was the way I partitioned my hard drive that caused it
[14:07] <ara> charlie-tca, you're talking about wubi or persistance? :)
[14:07] <charlie-tca> could have been a failing hard drive here causing me issues too
[14:07] <charlie-tca> persistance
[14:07] <ara> and how did it mess up your hdd?
[14:07] <charlie-tca> I don't think it did. I think it was just an old hdd that finally hard failed
[14:08] <charlie-tca> gparted kept showing an impossible to write to or change partition
[14:09]  * charlie-tca had an old 6GB drive in use
[14:09]  * charlie-tca now has an even older 4GB drive in use
[14:10] <davmor2> ara: wubi is working fine here so far
[14:10] <ara> great!
[14:11] <charlie-tca> I have ubuntustudio installing here
[14:19]  * ara starts feeling that this ISO testing cycle is going too well and something is going to fail and a respin is going to be schedule
[14:19] <ara> (please, don't)
[14:21] <persia> ara, To quell your concern, ichthux, sabily, and lubuntu have had to update a number of things post-RC-freeze, so I strongly suspect there are some respins happening (just not for approved flavours since 28.2)
[14:21] <davmor2> ara: Wubi pass here
[14:22] <davmor2> ara: I'll add it to the tracker asap
[14:22] <ara> davmor2, thanks
[14:40] <jibel> ara, I just finished the wubi amd64 upgrade. Retrying wubi i386.
[14:41] <ara> jibel, thanks!
[14:41] <ara> I am working now on netboot, that seems pretty uncovered
[14:59] <pedro_> is anybody else testing the DVD ISO i386?
[14:59] <ameetp> pedro_: desktop or server?
[14:59] <cyphermox> davmor2, for bug 649357, can you tell me what model is your computer?
[14:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 649357 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "network-manager on une will not connect (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/649357
[14:59] <pedro_> ameetp, desktop
[15:00] <pedro_> I'm getting  a similar behavior as the last round of ISO testing
[15:00] <pedro_> with ubiquity after clicking forward/continue, the panel crashes and the window manager too
[15:00] <ameetp> pedro_: ah.  no, I'm testing server right now
[15:00] <pedro_> just want to confirm that
[15:00] <ameetp> pedro_: I can see if it recreates for me in a bit
[15:01] <pedro_> ameetp, thanks
[15:01] <davmor2> cyphermox: it's a compaq mini 110
[15:01] <cyphermox> davmor2, cool, i think I may be able to test with that specifically
[15:04] <jibel> mvo, I get the same policykit behavior with the language-support popup than with s-c but this time on i386.
[15:05] <mvo> jibel: and probably with update-manger too :/
[15:06] <mvo> jibel: now that we depend on it for a lot more tasks, this bug becomes much more serious
[15:06] <jibel> jibel, right, everything calling org.debian.apt.install-or-remove-packages.
[15:08] <jibel> mvo, I installed wubi i386 desktop without network after reboot and a network connection enabled, it asked me to install my language, I answered "run this action now", the authentication popup is displayed and then nothing
[15:09] <jibel> mvo, If I wait a few minutes, a dialog appears saying "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)"
[15:09] <jibel> mvo, I'll update the report.
[15:11] <mvo> thanks
[15:16] <jibel> ara, excepted the policykit bug wubi desktop i386 without network connection is okay. Now trying wubi i386 desktop upgrade.
[15:17] <ara> thanks
[15:21] <cyphermox> ameetp, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/497546 <-- updated
[15:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 497546 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "Microphones not working on Dell Vostro 320 (affects: 6) (dups: 1) (heat: 44)" [High,Incomplete]
[15:26] <ameetp> cyphermox:  Thank you!
[15:32] <cyphermox> davmor2, trying to reproduce 649357 now.
[15:52] <rlameiro> ara: started testing for ubuntustudio i386 manual partition and autoresize.
[15:52] <rlameiro> ara: I will se if we can test amd64 ASAP
[15:53] <ara> rlameiro, great, thanks
[16:06] <bladernr> jibel, davmor2: so you guys can get Ubuntu to boot via wubi 32bit?
[16:06] <jibel> bladernr, yes
[16:07] <bladernr> Hrmmm...
[16:07] <davmor2> bladernr: I can I will put it on the tracker honest
[16:07] <bladernr> So I did the install, via wubi run from USB stick.  Installation was fine, was able to boot after the first stage install, got ubiquity and installed the rest of the OS
[16:07] <jibel> bladernr, and now trying to upgrading the 32bit desktop
[16:08] <astraljava> ara: Yeah, forgot to correct myself out. amd64 auto-resize works also, reported as such as well.
[16:08] <davmor2> bladernr: I'm sensing a but here
[16:08] <bladernr> Now, however, when i reboot, choose Ubuntu from the windows boot menu, I get thrown back to the menu... I am briefly seeing a message that says something about a syntax error, but it flashes too fast to catch it
[16:08] <ara> astraljava, awesome
[16:08] <bladernr> davmor2:  there's your but...
[16:09] <astraljava> ara: Was a faulty DVD, second disc worked.
[16:09] <jibel> bladernr, back to the windows menu ?
[16:09] <ara> astraljava, it is always good to do the "check cd" option before anything else, you can safe a lot of time
[16:09] <bladernr> davmor2:  my 32bit setup has a bit of a ... special situation though... it's a multi-boot setup on a netbook... so it boots grub2, then NTLoader, then grub when you choose Ubuntu in NTloader
[16:10] <bladernr> jibel:  ^^
[16:10] <ara> (or md5sum if you're using a VM)
[16:10] <bladernr> but yeah, back to the NTLoader menu
[16:10] <astraljava> ara: Learnt that the hard way, yeah. :)
[16:10] <jibel> bladernr, I've the same setup.
[16:10] <astraljava> ara: md5sum was a match
[16:10]  * bladernr managed to hit esc fast enough and I'm looking at the grub entry now and it doesn't LOOK out of place...
[16:10] <davmor2> bladernr: You like to make your life simple then right?
[16:11] <charlie-tca> Need someone to verify the ubuntustudio 64 installation. It keeps aborting in VBox for me
[16:11] <astraljava> charlie-tca: I did the auto-resize today, successfully.
[16:12] <davmor2> bladernr: I don't think that is the issue anyway I had a similar setup once as long as grub is pointing to the right place it should be okay
[16:13] <bladernr> davmor2:  yeah, I love simplicity ;-)  FWIW, this netbook also boots 5 different OSs when it's fully loaded.
[16:13] <davmor2> weirdo
[16:14] <astraljava> That is one schizophrenic box right there. :D
[16:17] <charlie-tca> astraljava: great! I will work on the 386 installs on hardware then
[16:18] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Sure. Tomorrow I'll try to do the other required test cases, so we have it checked properly.
[16:18] <bladernr> davmor2:  I just don't like commitment ;-)
[16:20] <charlie-tca> I will have to do another download of the 64bit studio, and try again
[16:20]  * bladernr is going to retry a 3rd time using jibel's method :( then give up on Wubi...
[16:26]  * ara steps out for about 10 min
[16:30] <davmor2> cyphermox: any joy?
[16:31] <cyphermox> davmor2, quite the contrary. I can't reproduce it yet
[16:31] <davmor2> cyphermox: Knickers :(
[16:32] <cyphermox> maybe there's leftovers from lucid, so I'm preparing to wipe the drive and do the upgrades
[16:32] <cyphermox> davmor2, for kicks, check that IPv6 is set to Ignore in the connection settings :)
[16:33] <davmor2> cyphermox: it is and I did a fresh install and still have the same issue.  I'm assuming you are having to use the Broadcom STA driver correct?
[16:34] <cyphermox> davmor2, right, STA
[16:34] <cyphermox> the image I used wasn't quite up to date though, so maybe it's that
[16:35] <davmor2> cyphermox: It's needs to include the last kernel update that's when it stopped working
[16:35] <cyphermox> davmor2, yeah, i wasn't very much out of date though... 0928 instead of 28.1 or 28.2 :/
[16:37] <cyphermox> davmor2, hmm, no, seems I was totally up to date with my iso
[16:38] <davmor2> very odd :(
[16:39] <cyphermox> and once netbook is installed you add desktop?
[16:40] <ara> I am back
[16:42] <cyphermox> maybe it has to do with firmware revision, but that's starting to be far-fetched if it starts working when you're in desktop....
[16:42] <cyphermox> davmor2: ohh! how is your AP setup? is there any encryption or security on it?
[16:43] <davmor2> cyphermox: wpa
[16:43] <cyphermox> crap, that's exactly what I tested. On boot I get asked for the keyring password since it's auto-login, then I get a connection without issues
[16:45] <davmor2> cyphermox: I'll try lucid on it as soon as I can and ensure it still works there if it doesn't then it might be a hardware issue :(
[16:46] <cyphermox> ok
[17:09] <ara> Friendly reminder: the wrongly named "Optional testcases" are testcases that needs to be run at least once (instead of on every image that contains them)
[17:09] <ara> going to the end of this page: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases
[17:09] <ara> you can see the optional testcases that haven't been covered
[17:11] <astraljava> ara: Good to know.
[17:12] <rlameiro> I just finished one optional test case :D
[17:13]  * fader_ high fives rlameiro.
[17:13] <charlie-tca> astraljava: something went seriously wrong with my VirtualBox machine for studio testing. I had to delete the hard drive and try again. It it working now
[17:13] <ameetp> pedro_: ubiquity ran just fine for me on DVD ISO i386 Desktop
[17:13] <rlameiro> charlie-tca: AMD64?
[17:14]  * charlie-tca seems to be able to be able to fail both hardware hdd's and virtual hdd's
[17:14] <charlie-tca> yes
[17:14] <pedro_> ameetp, thanks for checking. is that using which option on the boot?
[17:14] <ameetp> pedro_: I'm running in a vbox though
[17:14] <rlameiro> VM and 64 bits arent very stable AFAIK
[17:14] <pedro_> ameetp, the Install Ubuntu (second one) or the Try Ubuntu and then running ubiquity (first one)
[17:14] <pedro_> ameetp, I'm running vbox here as well
[17:14] <charlie-tca> First time in over a year I had any issues with it
[17:14] <ameetp> pedro_: Install Ubuntu
[17:15] <pedro_> ameetp, ok that worked fine here as well. May you please check with the first one please?
[17:15] <pedro_> ameetp, looks to be reproducible only with that one
[17:15] <pedro_> at least for me ;-)
[17:15] <charlie-tca> Seems strange, yesterday my hardware drive failed and had to be replaced, today my virtualbox drive failed and had to be replaced
[17:15] <ameetp> pedro_: sure
[17:16] <pedro_> thank you ameetp
[17:19] <ara> charlie-tca, well, my two usb keys died 10 days apart. Now I don't have a usb key for testing, I need to buy a new one
[17:19] <charlie-tca> ouch
[17:20] <charlie-tca> I am going to have to buy a couple of spare hdd's again. I only have two 4GB drives and one 2.5GB drive spare now
[17:23] <sujiths80> I am intrested to do maverick beta testing...but I want to know how can I do this ?Do I need a seperate machine for this ? I have only one machine and I am using it for my daily use...in this case how can I involve in testing ...kindly suggest ur view
[17:26] <charlie-tca> sujiths80: you could use a virtual machine for testing. Many of us use VirtualBox, since it is does not require any modifications to the existing installation
[17:29] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Well, at least you have a functioning setup again. :)
[17:29] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:29] <charlie-tca> amazing the things that can go wrong
[17:34] <astraljava> Murphy's law, remember...
[17:34] <charlie-tca> heh, that's the one I keep forgetting
[17:39] <rlameiro> ara: Ubuntu studio i386 ISO tests finished, now its only amd64 missing
[17:40] <ara> rlameiro, great :)
[17:40]  * persia thought astraljava ran some of those
[17:40] <rlameiro> ara: can i talk in pvt with you?
[17:46] <astraljava> rlameiro: persia: Yeah, the auto-resize. Will continue tomorrow.
[17:46] <persia> Ah, right.  The virtualisation issue,.
[17:47] <ameetp> pedro_: the try Ubuntu and then run Ubiquity option worked for me too
[17:47] <astraljava> persia: No, I had DVD integrity issues. Installing on real hardware.
[17:48] <pedro_> ameetp, thanks for checking, will recreate the image to test again
[17:49] <ameetp> pedro_: np
[18:33] <jibel> anybody tried the wubi upgrades ?
[18:42] <ara> jibel, I don't think so, did it fail?
[18:56] <bladernr> jibel:  which one have you had trouble with?
[18:56]  * bladernr will try soon... just finished getting Lucid ISOs so I can do those now.
[18:59] <pedro_> ameetp, works fine after removing the virtualbox image
[18:59] <pedro_> ameetp, thanks again ;-)
[19:00] <ameetp> pedro_: ah good
[19:09]  * ara finds the new xubuntu theme a bit kubuntuish
[19:10] <charlie-tca> yeah?
[19:10] <charlie-tca> I haven't looked at Kubuntu, myself
[19:10] <ara> well, it reminds me a bit of the KDE3 kind of theme
[19:10] <ara> maybe it is just me
[19:10] <ara> :)
[19:11] <charlie-tca> I think I installed Kubuntu back in 2006 or so, maybe. I haven't seen it since then, that I can recall. :-)
[19:17] <jibel> ara, bladernr, it failed badly. i386 and amd64 failed because of gnome-keyring
[19:18] <jibel> ara, bladernr, above all the system is unbootable after the failure :(
[19:18] <ara> the whole system?
[19:18] <ara> ouch!
[19:18] <jibel> ara, yes.
[19:18] <ara> jibel, Please, file a bug and mark those are failed
[19:19] <ara> jibel, also, it would be great if you could talk to cjwatson about it
[19:19] <jibel> ara, bug 651325
[19:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 651325 in update-manager (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "package gnome-keyring 2.92.92.is.2.30.3-0ubuntu1.1 failed to install/upgrade: /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: 31: dpkg-maintscript-helper: not found (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651325
[19:28] <bladernr> jibel:  you mean you can't even boot windows afterwards?
[19:28] <jibel> bladernr, no, only ubuntu.
[19:29] <bladernr> confused... so the wubi upgrade fails, and you can't boot ubuntu afterwards, but you CAN still boot Windows, correct?
[19:29] <jibel> bladernr, what's weird is that selecting ubuntu at the windows bootloader restarts the whole system !?
[19:29] <bladernr> ahhhhh
[19:30] <jibel> right, I CAN still boot Windows.
[19:30] <bladernr> jibel:  that's what I'm seeing when trying to boot ubuntu 32bit after doing a fresh wubi install.  Choosing ubuntu dumps me back to grub2 in my config, which, if I only had windows on the system would mean it rebooted
[19:31] <bladernr> jibel:  gotcha... whew... for a moment, it sounded like the upgrade hosed everything (to me, system == computer, not OS)
[19:31] <jibel> bladernr, when I say restart, it's a restart from BIOS.
[19:31] <bladernr> right, soft reset
[19:31] <jibel> yep
[19:31] <jibel> and I have a config grub2 / ntloader / grub2
[19:32] <bladernr> Oh...
[19:32] <bladernr> ok
[19:32] <bladernr> that's right, you mentioned that earlier.
[19:32] <bladernr> yikes
[19:34] <davmor2> jibel: was one of the questions to rebuild the grub listing?  and did you answer yes?
[19:45] <charlie-tca> QA meeting in #ubuntu-quality in 15 minutes
[19:54] <jibel> davmor2, no question, update-manager finish the installation of the packages then stop before the cleanup stage saying that gnome-keyring failed to install.
[19:55] <davmor2> jibel: hmmm odd
[19:56] <charlie-tca> xubuntu upgrade tests in progress.
[19:56] <charlie-tca> UbuntuStudio tests completed
[19:56] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Excellent! I'll look into the bug you reported, and do my own installs.
[19:57] <charlie-tca> Works for me. That bug is in all the installs, not just studio
[20:01] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Oh? Good to know.
[20:20] <jibel> bladernr, which xubuntu wubi do you take, I'll do the other ?
[20:20] <bladernr> jibel:  64bit
[20:20] <bladernr> at least, that's where I was starting
[20:20]  * charlie-tca has nothing with windows, and no installation images, either, for windows
[20:21] <charlie-tca> well, maybe for 3.11
[20:21] <jibel> bladernr, okay, doing 32bit then
[23:51] <marjo> bladernr, hggdh, sbeattie: anybody know how to set up two root partitions to test rescue mode?
[23:56] <persia> marjo, quick'n'dirty way: install twice in a row and choose "in parallel" the second time.
[23:56] <marjo> persia: thx i'll try that


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