[00:00] <d1n0saur> hello all
[00:01] <Lady_Aly> I know the Intel graphics card can handle what I'm asking it do.  Because when I had Win 8.1 (before the Internal HDD crashed), I had no real problems (maybe just some lagging)
[00:01] <spaces> Lady_Aly USB is not that fast as well, and I think you have a 5400rpm disk there ?
[00:02] <Lady_Aly> ok, I was thinking that the external was involved with the issue.
[00:02] <pedrocr> guiverc_d: submitted here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-bad1.0/+bug/1780581
[00:03] <Lady_Aly> and that was actually going to bring to another question I have
[00:03] <spaces> Lady_Aly couldbe. I run multiple VM's from some shitty 1TB external USB disk but for the OS itself, I thought it was not that nice
[00:05] <Lady_Aly> I have recently acquired a "new" internal 500GB HDD.  But before I go ahead a format it and install linux on it.  I was hoping to find a way to get into the OS on it to re-install windows and have a dual boot
[00:07] <Lady_Aly> I got it from a friend that dismantles PC's for the precious metals.  So they don't know the original owner, and therefore can't unlock the pc
[00:07] <Lady_Aly> Or should I just forget about the Dual boot with windows?
[00:16] <guiverc_d> :) @ pedrocr
[00:17] <pedrocr> guiverc_d: it's annoying as I was in the middle of development
[00:17] <pedrocr> oh well
[00:18] <pedrocr> playing with h264 cameras will have to wait
[00:31] <Mead> Running Xubuntu,  I'm having a few issue running a second monitor. Anyone familure with xubuntu and xfce?
[00:35] <Sven_vB> I connected a pair of CP2102 USB to UART Bridge Controllers (GND<->GND, TX->RX, RX<-TX) and their USB sides into my notebook with Ubuntu trusty) and they can talk to each other via "socat -d -d GOPEN:/dev/ttyUSB0 STDIO" (and similar for ttyUSB1). the ttyUSB0 socat seems to have local echo, while the ttyUSB1 socat doesn't, so the echo probably doesn't occur inside socat itself. what else could do that?
[00:38] <Sven_vB> furthermore, both socats can see "echo a0 >/dev/ttyUSB0" but only the socat for USB0 can see "echo a1 >/dev/ttyUSB1"
[00:50] <Sven_vB> back again (lost uplink), hope I didn't miss your answers
[00:50] <Sven_vB> I also repeated the experiment with the GND line disconnected, same results. dis- and re-connected both USB adapters, still same. is there sth. reconnected them in reverse order, verified they swap their device filenames, same results; so it's probably not about the adapters being different in hardware.
[00:50] <Mead> Sven_vB: sounds like a question for #electronics
[00:52] <Sven_vB> Mead, you sure? the echo is always on ttyUSB0, no matter which of both devices that means.
[01:00] <loner269> hi all
[01:09] <flyingtoaster> hello, loner269
[01:10] <postmodern> finished a FDE install of ubuntu server 18.04 LTS via the alternative installer, but the built initramfs is missing cryptsetup. Is this a known issue?
[01:11]  * Sven_vB found the solution: stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 sane raw -echo
[01:17] <guiverc> Mead, what are your issues with 2nd screen?
[01:19] <postmodern> worked around the problem by chrooting back in and running `update-initramfs -u -k all`
[01:35] <akhaian> I'm running 18.04 on a Dell XPS 13. I've noticed that if I click and drag up on the lock screen (as if to reveal the password entry dialogue) the lock screen will crash, unlocking the computer. I haven't found other reports of this problem. Does anyone know if this is a known issue or is it worth reporting?
[02:02] <mtdms_> how to upgrade ubuntu?
[02:02] <mtdms_> apt-get update?
[02:03] <mtdms_> how to update sorry
[02:07] <madmangun> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgradde
[02:10] <mtdms_> madmangun: thanks
[02:10] <mtdms_> thats it? only with one command?4
[02:12] <madmangun> that will update and upgrade in 1 command line
[02:13] <mtdms_> thanks
[02:13] <madmangun> your welcome
[02:15] <madmangun> i mispelled upgrade
[02:15] <madmangun> remove 1 of the d's :)
[02:17] <lostfile> i see
[02:29] <Baaal> hi
[02:31] <Baaal> ?
[02:32] <lostfile> Baal: hello
[02:32] <Baaal> good
[02:32] <Baaal> to see that some one is still alive <3
[02:33] <lostfile> :3
[02:33] <Baaal> *<:3)¬¬
[02:33] <lostfile> maw
[02:33] <Baaal> is there any blachat channel ?
[02:33] <Baaal> blackhat ?
[02:33] <oerheks> !alis
[02:34] <lostfile> i think theres a hacker channel here
[02:34] <Baaal> uhm
[02:34] <Baaal> im not a hacker
[02:34] <oerheks> this is ubuntu support, not the yellow pages
[02:34] <Baaal> ^.^
[02:34] <lostfile> oh lol
[02:34] <hggdh> please keep ontopic
[02:34] <lostfile> you mean black hat linux
[02:34] <Baaal> my apologise Sir
[02:35] <Baaal> Si segnior !
[02:35] <hggdh> ...
[02:35] <Baaal> and ppl related to the topic :)
[02:35] <lostfile> i had a brain fart sorry
[02:35] <Baaal> xD
[02:36] <hggdh> lostfile: please keep on topic
[02:36] <lostfile> i will
[02:37] <lostfile> im working on a ubuntu gopher server but i cant self host it right now
[02:37] <lostfile> i will a little later
[02:37] <Baaal> :)
[02:38] <Baaal> i tried to join #kali
[02:38] <Baaal> but i need invitation
[02:38] <Baaal> :/
[02:38] <lostfile> i wonder if i can run bucktooth in docker
[02:38] <hggdh> Baaal: keep on topic, or foind a chat channel
[02:39] <Baaal> !Alis
[02:41] <lostfile> Baal: you trying to do some thing httpd related
[02:42] <lostfile> Baal: or some thing with the alis
[02:43] <lostfile> oh i see what your doing
[03:24] <TheSov> on ubuntu 18.04 for some reason my snaps dont unmount after i quit them, they stack up and then my snaps stop working
[03:24] <TheSov> any way I can fix that
[03:39]  * XxX4LON3XxX hello
[04:08] <COH> :3
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> COH: can we help you?
[04:08] <almar> I like Ubuntu. how can I optimize it? thank you.
[04:08] <almar> oh, never mind
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> almar: yes you can
[04:10] <almar> lotuspsychje, really?
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> almar: install preload, tweak starting up services, clean system with bleachbit
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> almar: run lightweight programs
[04:11] <almar> the laptop i use is quite powerful
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> !info preload | almar
[04:12] <almar> 33 kb
[04:12] <almar> i probably have 33 kb free
[04:12] <almar> ok i installed it
[04:13] <almar> is my ubuntu now 33 times faster?
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> almar: please keep the jokes out this channel
[04:13] <almar> i'm not joking
[04:13] <almar> i didn't expect to be automatically connected to this channel, however
[04:14] <almar> but i've been using ubuntu for a long while
[04:14] <almar> i used mint briefly, but switched back over
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> almar: please only ubuntu support questions here
[04:14] <almar> never had to optimize anything
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> !chat | almar
[04:14] <almar> it's just very powerful
[04:14] <almar> hmm, why use ubottu for nickserv?
[04:49] <TheTrobz> hello dude
[05:27] <rhq34> i have utils.divide in my vi editor.
[05:27] <rhq34> instead of that i have to just use divide
[05:27] <rhq34> how can i use sed for this?
[05:50] <newbii> Help please!! I have a big problem with my bionic beaver installed about a week ago. All was fine, but now it does not want to start. when I press the start button the screen become black and after some time i see the messages. it stops at the step "Started GNOME display manager" and does not move any more. Please help me if you can.---
[05:54] <guiverc> newbii, if you switch to terminal (ctrl+alt+f4 or your favorite fn key), can you login?
[05:55] <newbii> guiverc: login prompt appears
[05:55] <guiverc> yep - login, then `df -hi` ; does it appear normal?
[05:56] <newbii> but when I login it immediattely comes back to the previous screen "started Gnome"
[05:56] <guiverc> i realize you may not use terminal; just that you get to login & have some disk space free..   login from terminal sends you back to 'started gnome?'
[05:57] <newbii> yes - I succeeded to type df -hi - it gives some list and then changes again to the "started gnome"
[05:58] <newbii> i cane try to read this list
[05:58] <newbii> can
[05:59] <guiverc> `df -hi` = disk free (show in -human format, with -inodes) -- but you shouldn't throw you back to started gnome - or is that a message that just drew on your screen, if you type `df` again does the command work?
[06:00] <newbii> ctrl-alt-f4 gives the screen with terminal login; then typing df i recover the list, then it throws back to the "gnome started"
[06:01] <newbii> by the way /dev/sda1 seems to load - it is 88% now
[06:01] <newbii> then there is a long list of /snap/gnome
[06:02] <guiverc> so you are being taken away from tty4 (the window you jump to with ctrl+alt+f4)??
[06:02] <newbii> yes
[06:03] <newbii> and very quickly
[06:03] <guiverc> (yeah I realize df gives lots of output - the only bit i was interested in was `df -h |grep home` or your home directory... it's unlikely to be the issue anyway...
[06:04] <newbii> 1 sec - i can try "home" if it allows
[06:05] <newbii> it gives nothing
[06:05] <guiverc> okay given you can't read `dmesg` & like output from the terminal if you jump away, to try rebooting and hitting <E> (edit) on the grub menu when you see "Ubuntu", then add the text " nomodeset " to the linux line, then press <f10> to accept & run it... see if that helps...
[06:06] <newbii> guiverc: I do not have grub, at least grub message do not appear when I boot
[06:07] <guiverc> newbii, do you remember if you did anything before this issue (not just last thing you did, but anything done during that session/login)?
[06:09] <guiverc> just realized you said "home .. gives nothing" - do you have a separate partition for your /home?
[06:09] <newbii> well there was smth yesterday that could be the cause. The screensaver was appearing too often (that was cutting the music playing) - I tried to put the large delay
[06:10] <newbii> than it said thet it was not working properly and I should stopp gmone controlling it and allow Xorg to control it
[06:10] <newbii> I am sorry that i do nort remember it, maybe it was just the opposite
[06:10] <newbii> I did it and it worked fine
[06:10] <newbii> screensaver did not bother me any more
[06:12] <guiverc> newbii, you don't often see full results until you reboot  (as many things run from 'cache' & thus work as deletes aren't noticed till restart)...  if you did it from terminal (commands), your `history` will provide clues  (of the commands you issued, eg. loading an editor 'vim' & file you edited, but not what you changed..)
[06:13] <guiverc> I don't know enough about xorg/gnome to help sorry, but if I was you, I'd try and view your `history` to see what you did, compare with what you were supposed to do (if you followed instructions) and look for something you did wrong, or how to backout changes you made...
[06:13] <newbii> guiverc: I have a question: if I boot from the installation disc, but with the option "live", not "install" should I be able to work with the machine? (and maybe read the dmesg?
[06:18] <guiverc> yep; but `dmesg` will show you the messages from the running (live) session, not your 'installed on hdd' ubuntu...  the files exist though; so you can navigate to the directories (once mounted) & view logs that way
[06:19] <guiverc> reading systemd logs (eg. journalctl) will be horrid; as they're binary & I'd not know how, but you can `view` or `cat` any text log file on your system
[06:19] <TheTrobz> fccckk
[06:20] <TheTrobz> no someone here?
[06:20] <TheTrobz> eh anjing
[06:20] <TheTrobz> gua nanya
[06:20] <TheTrobz> jawab
[06:20] <TheTrobz> jadi nge gas kan tuh
[06:21] <qwebirc51879> morning
[06:21] <guiverc> language please TheTrobz ; and please don't spam
[06:21] <TheTrobz> makanya jawab
[06:21] <TheTrobz> morning too
[06:21] <TheTrobz> i need help, please
[06:21] <qwebirc51879> let me get my fresh coffee, then I have a beginner question ;-)
[06:22] <EriC^^> !ask | TheTrobz
[06:22] <TheTrobz> i will chat u
[06:23] <newbii> guiverc: you mean that if I do the "live" session
[06:23] <newbii> I will no be able to read the error messages from the previos sessions?
[06:24] <guiverc> sorry newbii yep.  the 'live' session is how I'd look & find out what you did, and try & change it  (given your termninal session was unusable)... but I'm not skilled enough to help sorry
[06:24] <EriC^^> newbii: you mount the ubuntu installation and look at /var/log/kern.log
[06:24] <EriC^^> */mnt/var/log/kern.log
[06:25] <EriC^^> newbii: what's the problem you're having?
[06:26] <newbii> eric - here is what I said some minutes earlier:Help please!! I have a big problem with my bionic beaver installed about a week ago. All was fine, but now it does not want to start. when I press the start button the screen become black and after some time i see the messages. it stops at the step "Started GNOME display manager" and does not move any more. Please help me if you can.----
[06:26] <TheTrobz> yes, u can chat me now
[06:27] <EriC^^> newbii: did you try using nomodeset?
[06:27] <TheTrobz> no,dud
[06:27] <EriC^^> newbii: or an older kernel perhaps?
[06:28] <TheTrobz> re install hahahaha
[06:28] <TheTrobz> that's good try
[06:29] <guiverc> EriC^^, newbii said earlier "well there was smth yesterday that could be the cause. The screensaver was appearing too often ... - I tried to put the large delay than it said thet it was not working properly and I should stopp gmone controlling it and allow Xorg to control it  I am sorry that i do nort remember it"
[06:31] <TheTrobz> maybe,its just a matter of time
[06:31] <Mango> hmm...
[06:31] <ducasse> TheTrobz: do you have a support question? if you just want to chat, please do that in #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:31] <guiverc> TheTrobz, please take it elsewhere, this is a Ubuntu Support channel, and not a chat or spam channel...
[06:32] <TheTrobz> oh
[06:33] <newbii> guiverc: 1 sec, booting from dvd
[06:33] <TheTrobz> i can help u
[06:34] <TheTrobz> i ever felt
[06:34] <EriC^^> guiverc: aha
[06:35] <TheTrobz> EriC^^: i challange u,dude
[06:37] <Mango> where am i ? -_-
[06:38] <newbii> so now I am at the ubuntu screen "live"
[06:43] <ducasse> Mango: this is the ubuntu support channel, type /topic for more information
[06:43] <newbii> guiverc: I am now in "live" but it does not see immediately the harddisc
[06:48] <guiverc> newbii, best if you ask generally (others know more than me).  I said you'd have to `mount` it, `lsblk` should help you recognize it; not I don't use gnome & thus aren't sure how to do it via gui).  I'd be tempted to `fsck` (file system check) it before mounting; very likely unnecessary
[06:54] <newbii> yes mounted, and trying to see what happened
[07:07] <ConsoleFx> I just did an software upgrade via Ubuntu wizards which asked me to perform the library/base package upgrades etc.
[07:08] <ConsoleFx> Looks like post-upgrade it doesn't show me my desktop icons.
[07:08] <ConsoleFx> Any idea what can be causing this and how can I fix this?
[07:09] <ConsoleFx> Plus one more thing, I am trying to change my desktop wallpapers and it never changes! :(
[07:09] <newbii> guiverc: just to tell where I am. I mounted the hard disc from "live" everything seems alive. Trying to get the error messages. Any idea how to do it?
[07:16] <BlackDalek> how do I install Ubuntu on an early 2nd gen Mac Mini (Macmini1,1)? I found this, but there is no installation instructions on the page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mac_mini
[07:17] <Spookan> Why on earth change the OS!?
[07:17] <qiu> hello
[07:21] <BlackDalek> can it be done or can't it?
[07:22] <BlackDalek> IF I try to boot the mac mini with a Ubuntu 32-bit 16.04.4 install DVD, it just says "Failed to load ldlinux.c32"
[07:24] <Ben64> use the 64bit/mac version
[07:26] <guiverc_t> newbii, your commands will be in ~/.bash_history (where ~ is your home directory; not your 'live' home, but /home/$USER)...  logs are found in /var/log
[07:26] <BlackDalek> Ben64, this mac isn't 64-bit. It has 1.5 GHz Intel Core Solo
[07:26] <ducasse> BlackDalek: does that machine have a 32-bit efi?
[07:27] <Ben64> throw it away then
[07:28] <BlackDalek> ducasse, I don't know. All I know is the info here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_Mini#cite_note-Upgrade-41 and on the mac's system info profiler...
[07:28] <BlackDalek> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_Mini
[07:28] <BlackDalek> ignore the #cite-note part
[07:30] <newbii> guiverc-t : I am reading syslog (unable to read journal)
[07:30] <guiverc_t> newbii, (I'm having network issues sorry) but my xorg log is in ~/.local/share/xorg/  (where ~ is your hdd home dir again)
[07:30] <ducasse> because if it does, the ubuntu images do not support that afaik. you would need to make your own usb stick or something.
[07:30] <newbii> the last message is successfully activated service "org/gnome.screensaver"
[07:31] <ducasse> BlackDalek: forgot to highlight you in my last message, sorry
[07:32] <BlackDalek> ducasse... I am trying to find the USB installer instructions/download now...
[07:34] <ducasse> BlackDalek: you use the same iso as for dvd, but you would need to place a 32-bit grub loader in the efi part
[07:34] <newbii> guiverc: my xorg.log files date from yesterdy only nothing from today
[07:34] <ducasse> BlackDalek: there are a few howtos online, iirc
[07:35] <BlackDalek> ducasse, yes.. I'm going through one now...
[07:46] <BlackDalek> what the? Why on earth do I need to install some third party Etcher program to make a bootable USB for mac? I don't remember needing to do this before?
[07:47] <ducasse> BlackDalek: you can use any tool that will do a raw image write to a usb stick, i'd guess etcher is just their recommendation
[07:54] <guiverc_t> sorry newbii, i'm unable to help much, but as previously stated I'd look at what you did, the instructions you attempted to follow to see if you went wrong, or see if you can backout changes (via hdds ~/.bash_history; you didn't make .bak's of modified files did you?); though even a `find -mtime` maybe be useful to find what files you modified (if you limit where it looks) ... i'm busy in real life & don't know xorg
[07:55] <newbii> guiverc: thank you for your help anyway
[07:57] <ducasse> newbii: what exactly is your problem? i didn't see your original question.
[07:58] <newbii> ducasse: here is the initiel question: Help please!! I have a big problem with my bionic beaver installed about a week ago. All was fine, but now it does not want to start. when I press the start button the screen become black and after some time i see the messages. it stops at the step "Started GNOME display manager" and does not move any more. Please help me if you can.--
[08:00] <ducasse> newbii: are there any errors in the x log?
[08:00] <travis_> I want to upgrade but when I used the highest version of ubuntu it seem like my computer was shuting down all the time why is this and how can I upgrade to the latiest version of ubuntu without any issue
[08:00] <newbii> ducasse - my last entry of xlog dates from yesterday.
[08:01] <newbii> I now succeeded to get the terminal (was not easy thanks to people who helped
[08:01] <newbii> tryng to start xfce session it says make sure X server is not already running
[08:01] <ducasse> newbii: what kind of gpu do you have?
[08:02] <newbii> what is gpu please?
[08:02] <ducasse> newbii: graphics hardware
[08:02] <ducasse> nvidia, amd or intel?
[08:03] <newbii> amd
[08:05] <newbii> I killed the x server and suddenly all came back
[08:05] <newbii> very strange
[08:05] <ducasse> what came back?
[08:06] <newbii> 1 sec - checking again
[08:06] <newbii> well the macgine started to behave as usual
[08:07] <newbii> but I rebooted and I have the same problem now
[08:07] <newbii> now it displays messages related to Snappy daemon
[08:08] <newbii> it goes on and on with boot
[08:08] <eltiopacote> Excusme, I want ask about Raspberry PI, Is this a good room for that??
[08:09] <ducasse> eltiopacote: does it run ubuntu?
[08:11] <eltiopacote> Yes. Ubuntu Mate 16.04
[08:12] <ducasse> eltiopacote: then go ahead and ask
[08:13] <eltiopacote> I want update the system. But the Update System give me this error's message:
[08:13] <eltiopacote> The upgrade needs a total of 48,2 M free space on disk '/boot'. Please free at least an additional 4.063 k of disk space on '/boot'. You can remove old kernels using 'sudo apt autoremove', and you could also set COMPRESS=xz in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf to reduce the size of your initramfs.
[08:15] <newbii> ducasse: so now the situation is as follows:  whe i press the start button it works longtime than displays the terminal.  But the boot's system has got 66MB only.
[08:15] <newbii> then it recovers the usuall screen of login management. however no possibility to get the xfce
[08:15] <ducasse> !kernelcleanup | eltiopacote
[08:16] <newbii> it gives the usual gnome flashback thatt I was susing before - so I am somehow saved but every login takes about 5 minutes
[08:17] <ducasse> newbii: i've got no other suggestions, sorry
[08:17] <newbii> OK thanks anyway
[08:20] <ducasse> newbii: you can try 'sudo systemctl stop gdm' and 'startx xfce-session' to see if that will start it manually
[08:23] <hans_> when i ssh login, i get the message => There are 2 zombie processes
[08:23] <newbii> decasse: I have now access tojournal, so if you know where to seek necessary info about crash, tell me
[08:23] <hans_> but i can't actually find them
[08:23] <hans_> according to htop, there isn't any zombie processes
[08:38] <indronil> hello
[08:46] <shubrenu> munubar
[08:48] <shubrenu> #ubuntu
[08:48] <shubrenu> #ubuntu is
[08:49] <shubrenu> shubham cwc
[08:49] <shubrenu> shubha pibcnsmcsnc
[08:49] <shubrenu> jin
[08:49] <shubrenu> cbsbcsnc
[08:52] <shubrenu> hello.py
[09:04] <santosh> What is PageUp/PageDown equivalent in zsh? Coming from bash.
[09:10] <BlackDalek> how do I create a mac-bootable USB drive on Ubuntu? I'm running out of options to create the USB on the Mac, so I want to try create it on the Ubuntu PC instead. I've tried Unetbootin for mac (fails to recognize any kind of USB drive). Tried Etcher (won't install on old Mac). Can't boot the mac from a DVD. What's left?
[09:11] <gigirock> BlackDalek: hard way 'cause to create a mac bootable you need a mac
[09:12] <gigirock> BlackDalek: best way is to emulate mac in vmware
[09:14] <BlackDalek> I almost got Unetbootin working but I can't for the life of me figure out why it won't recognize any USB drive
[09:15] <BlackDalek> I've formatted and reformatted the USB drive over and over again and Unetbootin refuses to recognize it.
[09:16] <gigirock> BlackDalek: sure , 'cause the mac boot is not free
[09:17] <BlackDalek> gigirock, what's not free? and how does that affect UNetbootin not recognizing a USB formatted to Fat32?
[09:19] <EriC^^> BlackDalek: dd the iso over
[09:23] <BlackDalek> EriC^^, dd?
[09:24] <gigirock> EriC^^: yes but u need a mac iso....... the BlackDalek talk about old mac
[09:25] <EriC^^> BlackDalek: yeah, dd is a tool ubuntu already has, it writes the iso to the hard disk on a low level, the partition table and partitions and everything, it's all you really need to make a bootable usb from one of ubuntu's isos
[09:27] <EriC^^> BlackDalek: if you want to give it a try, do "sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M && sync" where /dev/sdX is your usb's device name
[09:29] <EriC^^> BlackDalek: what happens when you try booting the usb you made with unetbootin?
[09:33] <BlackDalek> EriC^^, I can't make a USB with Unetbootin because Unetbootin refuses to recognize any USB drive I format on either the mac or on Ubuntu
[09:33] <msthtrxd> rooms
[09:35] <EriC^^> BlackDalek: does the usb show up in gparted?
[09:35] <EriC^^> BlackDalek: or in the output of "sudo parted -ls" ?
[09:36] <goutam_> hello
[09:36] <goutam_> ???
[09:39] <BlackDalek> EriC^^, for some reason now I can no longer launch ANY app in ubuntu. I don't know what happened. I have to restart this computer
[09:41] <BlackDalek> EriC^^, ok.. apparently there was a bunch of "device could not be mounted" windows under the open apps which needed to be closed. That's why I couldn't click anything...
[09:45] <BlackDalek> EriC^^, the USB shows up in Ubuntu gparted as it should.
[09:45] <EriC^^> BlackDalek: ok what's the name it shows up under "sudo parted -ls" ? /dev/sd.. ?
[09:46] <EriC^^> could you pastebin the result of "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999" please?
[09:48] <BlackDalek> EriC^^, I typed that command and it just outputs a website URL for http://termbin.com/bvvb whatever that is
[09:48] <BlackDalek> I see.. termbin is a pastebin
[09:49] <BlackDalek> EriC^^, it's the Sandisk one at the bottom
[09:53] <EriC^^> BlackDalek: ok, do you know where the iso is located?
[09:53] <EriC^^> i mean, where's the iso located? Downloads dir?
[09:54] <BlackDalek> EriC^^, yes. BTW.. I tried the dd command to write the ISO to the USB drive. Mac couldn't boot from it, so that failed.
[09:54] <EriC^^> BlackDalek: hmm, does the mac use EFI?
[09:54] <BlackDalek> EriC^^, the ISO is located on both the mac and on this computer in my Downloads folder
[09:55] <BlackDalek> EriC^^, I don't know what it uses or how to find out if it uses EFI.
[09:56] <EriC^^> BlackDalek: what happened when you tried booting from the usb? and does unetbooting have an option that explicitly states the usb will be mac friendly?
[09:57] <EriC^^> i ask because using dd it should create a BIOS compatible usb and UEFI as well, i'm not sure if pre-EFI mac's need a special method for booting
[09:58] <BlackDalek> EriC^^, on Unetbootin I get the exact same result as shown in the images of the 3rd reply here - https://github.com/unetbootin/unetbootin/issues/86
[09:59] <EriC^^> BlackDalek: what mac model is it?
[09:59] <BlackDalek> EriC^^, macmini1,1 OS 10.5.8
[10:01] <EriC^^> BlackDalek: oh, it uses a 32bit uefi, you'll have to modify the usb to have 32bit uefi files, this write up seems good http://coderazzi.net/linux/macmini2006/macmini.htm
[10:05] <BlackDalek> EriC^^, if I install xorriso and follow the guide on that page, will that create a usable install DVD?
[10:07] <mrstein> The 18.04 live CD seems to change the HW clock. Is that a known issue?  I see bug 1703479, but no activity on it.
[10:11] <EriC^^> BlackDalek: yes it should
[10:12] <BlackDalek> EriC^^, I've executed the xorriso commands on the ISO, burning to a new DVD-R now...
[10:13] <ExtremeFMan> yo
[10:15] <ixiion> question: do you think wayland will become the default for ubuntu 18.10 and onward or still xorg?
[10:23] <ixiion> Hello?
[10:26] <BlackDalek> EriC^^, that failed too. I'm back to square one. It fails to boot with "Failed to load ldlinux.c32" error
[10:26] <FireSnake> hi, what risks are if i do `do-release-upgrade -d` from 16.04lts to 18.04lts?
[10:26] <FireSnake> versus waiting until end of august when it will be officially supported
[10:27] <BlackDalek> So does this mean it's now impossible to install Ubuntu on a 2006 Mac Mini?
[10:30] <BlackDalek> EriC^^, the Ubuntu ISO I used was a "Desktop 32bit" version not a "Server 32bit" version - should that have made any difference to the ISO I created with xorriso?
[10:30] <nongbin> hello ?
[10:41] <BlackDalek> How do I install Ubuntu onto a Mac mini model macmini1,1?
[10:43] <HaMsTeRs> I still couldn't install Office 2013 nor 2016 on my Ubuntu 18.06 box.  I tried many many many many many many methods, none works!
[10:49] <adham> hello everyone
[10:49] <adham> do anyone know the alternative of "/usr/sbin/ipconfig set tap0 dhcp" in ubuntu 18.04 server?
[10:50] <adham> do anyone know the alternative of "/usr/sbin/ipconfig set tap0 dhcp" in ubuntu 18.04?
[10:52] <coconut> BlackDalek: Have you tried converting the iso to img first?
[10:52] <BlackDalek> coconut, no. What difference would that make?
[10:53] <coconut> That would make it bootable on a mac
[10:54] <coconut> BlackDalek: check this https://askubuntu.com/questions/28495/how-do-i-get-my-mac-to-boot-from-an-ubuntu-usb-key
[10:54] <BlackDalek> coconut, but img or iso is just the container for the disk image which gets burned to a disk. How is there any difference once the image is burned to the disk?
[10:55] <coconut> It will be different partition table wise.
[10:55] <coconut> apple systems don't listen to disk made out of iso's, just is.
[10:56] <coconut> *disks
[10:59] <BlackDalek> coconut, the error I am getting is "Failed to load ldlinux.c32" when I try to boot the mac from it.
[10:59] <coconut> BlackDalek: that i do not know, sorry,
[11:04] <adham> do anyone know the alternative of "/usr/sbin/ipconfig set tap0 dhcp" in ubuntu 18.04?
[11:06] <coconut> BlackDalek: i googled a little, and some got this same error fixed by formatting the disk to FAT16 first.
[11:07] <coconut> Which is the format anyway when you cp the img to usb thumb.
[11:10] <spaces> nice 16.04 upgrade 18.04 and mariadb stopped fiunctioning, it did tho
[11:11] <BlackDalek> coconut, how do I format the USB thumb to FAT16?
[11:13] <adham> do anyone know the alternative of "/usr/sbin/ipconfig set tap0 dhcp" in ubuntu 18.04?
[11:13] <blackflow> spaces: iirc the package name and version changed. perhaps uninstall and reinstall proper new bionic's package?
[11:14] <blackflow> !info mariadb-server-10.1
[11:14] <blackflow> !info mariadb-server
[11:15] <spaces> blackflow need to check
[11:15] <coconut> BlackDalek: you can, but you don't have to afaik. 1.) make a backup of disk when needed. 2.) delete all file on disk 3.) list the device path 4.) cp the img to right /dev/diskX location. (!! working with /dev/diskX can be *very* dangerous!! Check whether you have the right path until you have lost 10 pounds or you loose your data on your hard disk...)
[11:16] <coconut> BlackDalek: with disk i mean the usb thumb
[11:17] <blackflow> adham: ipconfig? or ifconfig? you should be using `ip` from `iproute2` package (default installed), ifconfig is long deprecated. and you set dhcp using dhclient
[11:18] <BlackDalek> coconut, first, how do I change the ISO to an IMG file?
[11:19] <coconut> BlackDalek: you can check the right location of your usb thumb from "$ diskutil list" and then make a guaranteed check with "$ diskutil list /dev/diskX" to be absolute sure.
[11:19] <adham> blackflow: Yes, I tried using "/sbin/ip link set tap0 dhcp" but it fails
[11:19] <spaces> blackflow huh ? I can install mariaDb and the old data will be saved, huh ? it asked me for a password when doing the upgrade for root and it worked :S
[11:20] <coconut> BlackDalek: follow the link i gave you.
[11:20] <blackflow> spaces: afaik (re)installing such  packages doesn't remove data dirs or (changed) configs.
[11:20] <adham> Error: either "dev" is duplicate, or "dhcp" is a garbage.
[11:20] <adham> Sun Jul  8 21:20:18 2018 us=930699 WARNING: Failed running command (--up/--down): external program exited with error status: 255
[11:20] <adham> Sun Jul  8 21:20:18 2018 us=930840 Exiting due to fatal error
[11:20] <adham> I'm not sure how to adjust it to work properly
[11:21] <spaces> blackflow no but why does it tell it wants to move the data ?
[11:21] <blackflow> adham: use dhclient, not ip, to activate dhcp.
[11:21] <adham> could you please help/advise blackflow
[11:21] <adham> can you please give me the full sentence?
[11:21] <blackflow> adham: dhclient tap0
[11:21] <coconut> BlackDalek: work from the entry with 14 given points.
[11:22] <blackflow> adham: though I'm assuming you're doing this just temporarily to test things? you should otherwise set permanent configs with netplan
[11:22] <coconut> BlackDalek: with title "How to create a bootable USB stick on OS X/macOS"
[11:22] <blackflow> spaces: that I don't know, sorry. it's just that with upgrade some packages have changed names and must be explicitly reinstalled for proper operation. also check if there's anything in new mariadb that's not backwards compatible config-wise
[11:23] <adham> blackflow: i have openvpn config file accompanied with dhcp-client-request.sh that has that line
[11:23] <BlackDalek> coconut, I can't find any utility named hdiutil to install in the Ubuntu repositories.
[11:23] <adham> I just alternated it with dhclient tap0 but it hangs on dhcp-client-request.sh tap0 1500 1592   init
[11:23] <blackflow> spaces: with postgresql updates (I use postgresql) I prefer to competely drop and restore the db via SQL due to internal data changes.
[11:24] <coconut> BlackDalek: no this page has all instructions from mac.
[11:24] <BlackDalek> coconut, oh yeah.. sorry, my bad
[11:24] <blackflow> adham: sorry I don't know about your specific configuration. I'm just saying ifconfig is long deprecated, you should use ip, and dhclient <iface> to activate dhcp on it, and otherwise use netplan for permanent configuration, with appropriate backend (NM or networkd)
[11:25] <coconut> BlackDalek" at 4.) you can also not do that and let the cp of img choose the file system. and at  9.) you can just use cp commmand instead of dd.
[11:26] <adham> agreed, I'm trying to find at least the alternative of the old sentence
[11:26] <adham> that config is mainly for older versions of ubuntu
[11:26] <adham> how can this "/usr/sbin/ipconfig set tap0 dhcp" be alternated in ubuntu 18.04?
[11:27] <coconut> but... backup you data(on usb) first! Note that all partitions will get destroyed, so don't think a second partition is a safe way to let dat intact on the usb thumb.
[11:27] <coconut> *data
[11:29] <BlackDalek> coconut, I have no valuable data on the USB drive that requires backup. The internal hard disk of the Mac itself should not be touched, right?
[11:30] <blackflow> adham: I just told you. :)  also, is this server? desktop? do you have other network configuration systems interfering? networkmanager perhaps?
[11:30] <coconut> No, do *not* make a mistake here... *really* end verify your /dev/disklocationhere !!
[11:30] <blackflow> and also it's not ipconfig, but ifconfig. if you have ipconfig in your scripts, that's either a typo or some software I have no idea what it does, but aint' ifconfig.
[11:31] <coconut> you can do that with "diskutil list" and "diskutil info /dev/devlocationofyourspottedlocationindiskutilinfo"
[11:31] <spaces> blackflow strange, it moved the data to a backup folder and moving it back to /var/lib/mysql cannot start mariadb
[11:32] <blackflow> spaces: is there an error log you could consult, why it doesn't start?
[11:32] <coconut> sorry, typo: 	No, do *not* make a mistake here... *really* check and verify your /dev/disklocationhere !!
[11:32] <adham> blackflow, desktop
[11:33] <blackflow> adham: okay. so, I recommend you start from the beginning, what's the end goal you want to achieve (forget current implementation). let's avoid the XY problem.
[11:33] <spaces> blackflow nothing detailed in journal
[11:34] <adham> blackflow: I have openvpn config file with .sh file that has that command line, I am trying to connect to vpn
[11:34] <coconut> BlackDalek: and like i said you don't have to format first, you can just cp the img.dmg file to the right /dev without an app or without dd.
[11:34] <blackflow> adham: and instead of running some custom scripts, did you trying setting up your vpn with NetworkManager?
[11:36] <adham> I tried no luck
[11:37] <blackflow> adham: what do you mean by "no luck".
[11:37] <blackflow> !details | adham
[11:37] <coconut> BlackDalek: which is than: & sudo cp ./ubuntu-filename.iso.img.dmg /dev/diskX.  (with X the *right* number taken from diskutil)
[11:37] <adham> one moment blackflow, I am testing a script
[11:37] <adham> it fails with an error, I'll send the details once the current test is finished
[11:38] <adham> because I do not have the error details on me now
[11:38] <coconut> BlackDalek: and the cp command can take a while, so just let it run...
[11:38] <abdulhakeem> Setting up Samba Share on Ubuntu Server. In Samba smb.conf, is it possible to set up shares for more than one directory? Following this article (https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/samba-fileserver.html.en)
[11:38] <abdulhakeem> like can I have more than one [share] block?
[11:39] <blackflow> adham: just keep in mind you can't use scripts for older versions of ubuntu, on new versions of ubuntu, especially if they're written for `ifconfig` which is long deprecated.
[11:40] <BlackDalek> coconut, syntax error "unexpected & token" - was your & a typo?
[11:40] <blackflow> spaces: do you have an sql-based backup of your DB? it's possible the fileformat changed with newer mariadb and it can no longer use the same data files.
[11:41] <coconut> BlackDalek: $ means from you user account
[11:41] <spaces> blackflow I have butr I like to use this set
[11:41] <coconut> so skip that from it
[11:42] <adham> blackflow, that's why i'm here
[11:42] <blackflow> spaces: well, not sure I can help you more than this, wihtout a specific error message. I don't use maria/mysql (I'm a postgresql fanboi).
[11:42] <adham> this is the only script with that very only linux command line that needs to be updated
[11:42] <spaces> blackflow heh nice, I don't like pgsql it's HA solutions :)
[11:43] <adham> I got a suggestion to use  ip link set tap0 up; dhclient tap0 from #networking channel
[11:43] <blackflow> spaces: the past has been icky, but with host standby in 9.1 things have massively changed, you should give it a try. with postgres 10 there's now logical replication even!
[11:43] <blackflow> adham: that sounds correct (which is what I already told you, to use dhclient <iface>)
[11:43] <BlackDalek> coconut, I don't think this macmini has a sudo password.... I don't enter any when I log in :(
[11:43] <spaces> blackflow yeah 9.1+ is much better!
[11:44] <blackflow> adham: but again, if I were you I'd try it via NetworkManager, instead of old, custom scripts that are likely not needed at all.
[11:44] <adham> it's frozen dhcp-client-request.sh tap0 1500 1592   init
[11:44] <blackflow> spaces: also, *hot standby  (I typo'd). replication is now very simple with no need for external tools.
[11:44] <adham> I stopped hte test
[11:44] <adham> when you mention networkmanager
[11:45] <adham> you mean the default that comes with ubuntu 18.04?
[11:45] <blackflow> adham: yes, the GUI thingy
[11:45] <blackflow> NetworkManager has VPN capabilities
[11:45] <adham> can I send you the config file and then you can help me with the selection from the GUI?
[11:46] <blackflow> adham: can you use a public pastebin? Just mask out IPs, usernames, passwords
[11:46] <coconut> BlackDalek: so "sudo cp ./ubuntu-filename.iso.img.dmg /dev/diskX" also without $. (for ./ you first have to cd to the right path where the ubuntu.iso.img.dmg is located)
[11:46] <adham> when I try, I see invalid IP4 config received! in syslog
[11:48] <BlackDalek> coconut, nothing happens.. I think because there is no sudo password. I need to set up an admin password then return.
[11:48] <coconut> BlackDalek: afaik any mac has an sudo password, even when you auto login.
[11:49] <adham> blackflow: https://pastebin.com/cW3JbVZh
[11:49] <coconut> BlackDalek: that is like i said, it takes a while before cp is done doing it's task.
[11:49] <spaces> blackflow issue found, it downgraded
[11:49] <coconut> you will return to the normal prompt after completion.
[11:49] <BlackDalek> coconut, I don't think it is doing any task... there is no output and I am returned to the command prompt
[11:50] <coconut> then it probably succeeded. :)
[11:50] <BlackDalek> coconut, the command prompt appears instantly with no action taking place
[11:51] <blackflow> adham: again that ipconfig. did this ever work?
[11:51] <adham> I pasted the original
[11:51] <blackflow> adham: that never worked.
[11:52] <adham> that line that has ipconfig, at my side, this is changed to "ip link set tap0 up; dhclient tap0", "dhclient tap0", "/sbin/ip link set tap0 dhcp"
[11:52] <adham> of course it never worked because that original line is deprecated and for older versions of ubuntu
[11:52] <blackflow> adham: that line makes no sense. ip has no dhcp
[11:53] <coconut> BlackDalek: test it, usb3 thumbs are fast. (i was talking about the speed of usb thumbs(i should not have done this though))
[11:53] <blackflow> adham: btw, did you try importing that file through VPN setup via NetworkManager (but without line 16)?
[11:53] <adham> yes
[11:53] <adham> not without the line
[11:54] <adham> I'll remove the line and test
[11:54] <adham> one moment pls
[11:54] <blackflow> adham: also, files in lines 9-11 exist?
[11:54] <coconut> *usb 2.0 speed
[11:54] <adham> yes
[11:54] <adham> all of htem exist and confirmed
[11:54] <blackflow> adham: I don't know what those paths are relative to, maybe use full paths.
[11:54] <adham> at my side, they have hte full path
[11:54] <adham> I just stripped the path before sending it out to you
[11:54] <blackflow> ah k
[11:56] <BlackDalek> coconut, not that fast. I checked - there is nothing on the USB drive. I've now reset the mac's intial setup and am entering a new admin password...
[11:56] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:57] <coconut> BlackDalek: there should nothing to be read from the thumb, that's normal.
[11:58] <BlackDalek> coconut, normal? It still shows empty 8gb free USB thumb drive?
[11:58] <BlackDalek> coconut, but at least I have an admin password now
[11:59] <adham> blackflow: here is the log https://pastebin.com/ayw96Ugc
[11:59] <coconut> BlackDalek: just try to boot from it with alt and see if the disk is created like you intended.
[11:59] <adham> I stripped the informations part and only pasted the logs with errors and failures
[12:00] <BlackDalek> coconut, ok... hold on. I'll try boot from this apparently empty USB drive
[12:00] <coconut> BlackDalek: if it's a usb 3 thumb, all data will probably on it.
[12:01] <coconut> BlackDalek: yes it sounds weird but you dont see any sata from finder, that's normal for a live usb.
[12:01] <coconut> *data
[12:02] <BlackDalek> coconut, nothing happened. only bootable drive that shows as connected in the internal hard disk
[12:02] <BlackDalek> *is
[12:02] <nickleon> how to use keybord shortcut to grab move in blender on ubuntu os
[12:02] <adham> blackflow: any ideas?
[12:02] <jk^> hi all, i'm on lubuntu 16.04.4. How to set password at startup? In "Users and groups" it is setted on "Ask password on startup" but it doesn't ask me anything https://drive.google.com/file/d/12p9LrUwzPLdO9ewTFN5SDB4PhUGINM3v/view?usp=sharing
[12:03] <BlackDalek> coconut, going back to "cp"iing the dmg to the USB in terminal, this time with a sudo password
[12:03] <coconut> ok
[12:04] <blackflow> adham: well since that previous script never worked (there's no ipconfig on linux, only ifconfig), are you even sure that vpn connection is properly configured, or available at the remote side? "invalid IP4 config received". that's a hint.
[12:05] <adham> the previous script: I had help from someone in networking and managed to get me to update it to match with the new "ip" in ubuntu's new version
[12:05] <adham> unfortionately I lost the os including the backup, this is a new ubuntu setup
[12:05] <adham> I know that this line can really be fixed up
[12:05] <adham> I just don't remember/know how exactly
[12:06] <adham> I downloaded the config for android and it works for android, ios and Windows
[12:06] <adham> only ubuntu is the issue
[12:07] <blackflow> androind, ios and windows are nowhere near linux ecosystem like Ubuntu's.
[12:07] <xubuntu1804> I want to check this is right thing to do, to create a firefox-private desktop shortcut. xubuntu-18.04 Firefox-61.0
[12:07] <adham> yes agreed
[12:07] <xubuntu1804> 1. I copied ~/Desktop/exo-web-browser.desktop to ~/Desktop/exo-web-browser-2.desktop
[12:07] <adham> but if I changed the os to an older version of ubuntu, I know that it would wokr
[12:07] <xubuntu1804> 2. rename exo-web-browser-2.desktop to Web-P
[12:08] <xubuntu1804> 3. edit launcher --> Command , From Command: exo-open --launch WebBrowser %u TO Command: exo-open --launch WebBrowser -private-window
[12:08] <blackflow> adham: perhaps you can try using `openvpn` command directly on the command line, see if you get a valid connection that way.
[12:08] <xubuntu1804> 4. doudle click icon and select 'Mark Executable'
[12:08] <abdulhakeem> I have an external HDD (/dev/sdb1) that is mounted to /srv/samba/ext, however when it's mounted like this it forces the owner and group to root:root. How can I make it nobody:nogroup instead? Sudo chown seems to have no effect
[12:08] <blackflow> adham: though using it through NM should be prefered as that sets up addressing, routing, dns...
[12:08] <blackflow> (and you need all that for proper vpn)
[12:08] <xubuntu1804> Cun you see any problems with this ??
[12:09] <xubuntu1804> Opps! Can you see
[12:09] <adham> Sun Jul  8 22:08:30 2018 us=591917 /sbin/ip route add <IP_ADDRESS>/1 via <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:09] <adham> Error: Nexthop has invalid gateway.
[12:09] <adham> Sun Jul  8 22:08:30 2018 us=593352 ERROR: Linux route add command failed: external program exited with error status: 2
[12:09] <adham> Sun Jul  8 22:08:30 2018 us=593405 /sbin/ip route add <IP_ADDRESS>/1 via <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:09] <adham> Error: Nexthop has invalid gateway.
[12:10] <adham> Sun Jul  8 22:08:30 2018 us=594899 ERROR: Linux route add command failed: external program exited with error status: 2
[12:10] <blackflow> xubuntu1804: first of all, .desktop files are not executables. second, what exactly do you want to achieve? create another .desktop launcher with specific Firefox launch options?
[12:11] <blackflow> adham: /1  ??
[12:12] <adham> hihi
 this works, to create an on desktop shortcut icon, I want to know if this method has any problems
[12:13] <blackflow> adham: and also, <IP_ADDRESS>/1 ? what! :)
[12:14] <adham> I don't know blackflow, can you pls help me
[12:15] <adham> am I missing something?
[12:16] <blackflow> adham: where do those commands come from, they're completely nonsensical.
[12:16] <xubuntu1804>  <blackflow> ' create another .desktop launcher with specific Firefox launch options? ' <-- Yes, Private-Browsing with Tracking-Protection
[12:16] <adham> which command?
[12:17] <blackflow> xubuntu1804: I'd just copy the firefox shortcut from /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop   to   ~/.local/share/applications/firefox-private.desktop     and adjust that file as you want. Also make sure you change the Name= entry in it, say to "Firefox private" or whatever, so you can differentiate it from the default firefox launcher, in the menu
[12:18] <blackflow> adham: ip route add <IP_ADDRESS>/1    and the <IP_ADDRESS>/1 one
[12:19] <BlackDalek> coconut, now the cp command isn't working. Generates error "cp: /dev/disk1: Resource busy"
[12:19] <coconut> please ctrl+ c this sooooooone
[12:19] <adham> blackflow, where do I add?
[12:19] <adham> can you pls send me the full commands, so I follow your instructions exaclty
[12:20] <blackflow> adham: no. that was answer to your "which command?" question. I asked where did those commands come from.
[12:20] <coconut> This is bad BlackDalek, i told you to check check check the correct /dev/disk for this!
[12:22] <coconut> I really hope you haven't writting your hard disk i a bad state by this. :(
[12:22] <BlackDalek> coconut, that IS the correct /dev/disk#
[12:22] <adham> ahh
[12:22] <adham> I do not know
[12:22] <blackflow> adham: unfortunately I can't guide you to a correct openvpn configuration. I merely suggested you try NetworkManager's VPN config instead of porting some custom scripts (also broken ones) from elsewhere.
[12:22] <adham> thx blackflow
[12:22] <adham> appreciate the help
[12:22] <BlackDalek> coconut, diskutil list verifies that the 8Gb volume is at /dev/disk1
[12:23] <coconut> BlackDalek: with a nr.1 there AND a resource busy output?
[12:23] <jelly> hi, does do-release-upgrade fron xenial to bionic work without -d or not yet?
[12:23] <adham> just to clarify, this is all I have for the config https://pastebin.com/cW3JbVZh / there is no place I see ip route add...
[12:23] <adham> but thanks blackflow
[12:23] <BlackDalek> coconut, yes.
[12:25] <blackflow> jelly: afaik not yet -- 18.04.1 has to come out first, Jul 26th if I'm not mistaken
[12:25] <BlackDalek> coconut, also... when I remove the USB drive and do diskutil list, the /dev/disk1 vanishes.. it only comes back when the USB is plugged back in
[12:25] <BlackDalek> coconut, so it's definitely the correct /dev/disk1 location
 <-- Thank you
[12:26] <coconut> BlackDalek: afaik an usb thumb is always a higher number than 1... but if it isn't we are still good.
[12:27] <BlackDalek> coconut, I just ejected the USB, unplugged. PLugged the USB back in. Verified the /dev number (sitll at 1). retried the cp command - got same error
[12:27] <coconut> BlackDalek: can you check diskutil info /dev/disk1 for me to be sure?
[12:27] <coconut> and pastebin that?
[12:28] <blackflow> adham: I don't follow you. I was asking about ip route add from THIS post of yours:       "14:09 < adham> Sun Jul  8 22:08:30 2018 us=591917 /sbin/ip route add <IP_ADDRESS>/1 via <IP_ADDRESS>"
[12:28] <BlackDalek> coconut, I don't know how to pastebin from the mac's terminal
[12:28] <blackflow> adham: you posted that, and I asked where did that come from.  /1 is invalid, also <IP_ADDRESS> makes no sense (it's a routable IP, not an RFC 1918one -- did you mean <IP_ADDRESS>?  which would also not make any sense to route like that)
[12:28] <coconut> BlackDalek: can you copy and paste into web browser then?
[12:29] <BlackDalek> coconut, sure.. if I can get a seriously out of date Safari to work (it can't access any https website)
[12:30] <blackflow> adham: and as for your original script, if you want to try it with openvpn directly, there's no ipconfig command. that wouldn't work even on older ubuntu. ifconfig would.   with `ip` you can do    `ip link set tun0 up`     and on the next line     `dhclient tun0`
[12:31] <coconut> BlackDalek: here one without https http://paste.debian.net
[12:31] <coconut> tea, brb
[12:32] <BlackDalek> coconut, it's ok.. apparently it lets me access https sites now (must have been a side effect of not having any admin password set?)
[12:32] <adham> that could be from openvpn
[12:33] <adham> i tried your suggested config
[12:33] <adham> and I got Cannot find device "tun0"
[12:34] <blackflow> adham: I meant tap0,   sorry
[12:35] <BlackDalek> coconut, the paste you asked for is at https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NHXsymFJXd/ (if I re-typed from the other screen correctly)
[12:35] <adham> no, that's alright
[12:35] <adham> testing now
[12:36] <Rumen> Hi there, any expert in Nvidia cards/drivers?
[12:36] <coconut> BlackDalek: no not the list command, but with info.
[12:36] <blackflow> !ask | Rumen
[12:37] <zerorax> Hi
[12:37] <jelly> alright, thanks blackflow
[12:37] <zerorax> I set my CPU to 5ghz, and I set the clock settings to 5000mhz using cpufreq-set and governer to performance, but I still can't get it to go above the stock turbo multiplier, I'm stuck at 4.7ghz when my firmware and windows report 5ghz
[12:37] <zerorax> what can I do?
[12:37] <zerorax> 8700k i7
[12:38] <blackflow> zerorax: that's not really relevant for Ubuntu, perhaps try in more adequate channel, you'll have better results there.
[12:39] <zerorax> Which channel should I try? No one in ##hardware could help
[12:39] <zerorax> I was hoping it was something I could change from within Ubuntu
[12:39] <BlackDalek> coconut, oh ok... new paste ends with /NTs5SPX2pP/
[12:39] <blackflow> dunno if there's any overclockers channel
[12:39] <zerorax> there's 1 now:P
[12:39] <zerorax> I never had this problem with any other cpu
[12:39] <zerorax> and I don't have this problem on Gentoo
[12:39] <blackflow> you frequently raise CPUs to 5 GHz?
[12:40] <zerorax> I leave it at 5ghz
[12:40] <zerorax> if I'm compiling and not loading the GPU i push it to 5.6
[12:40] <Rumen> Thanks a lot man!   I have the following problem: I changed the card from NVS300 to GT730. After the change Ubuntu cganged the driver from 340 to 390 and crashed. I readed the forums and uninstalled 340. Now basically works, but ... 3D works only in some applications in other not! Blender works, but Google Maps - Street view freeze the whole computer! At the same time any video in YouTuve or small clip in VLC freeze the picture for 1 second on every 5 seconds.
[12:40] <BlackDalek> coconut, clickable :) https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NTs5SPX2pP/
[12:40] <blackflow> zerorax: see if ther's a governor conflict, cpufreq vs pstates or something
[12:40] <zerorax> Ahh, I could try ondemand governer instead of performance
[12:41] <BlackDalek> coconut, any clues in there this time?
[12:41] <zerorax> darn, the ubuntu kernel doesn't come with ondemand compiled in apparently
[12:41] <blackflow> zerorax: however, I do wonder what kind of cooling setup you have there :)
[12:41] <adham> blackflow, I think the log is still pretty the same
[12:42] <zerorax> I use 280mm x62 AIO liquid coolers
[12:42] <blackflow> zerorax: it does, on Bionic at least: CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_ONDEMAND=y
[12:43] <blackflow> adham: it sounds as if the remote side has problems with that. you sure the keys are correct and all?  see if this helps (client side): https://linuxconfig.org/simple-openvpn-connection-setup-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[12:43] <coconut> BlackDalek: this seems you thumb drive, so ok.
[12:43] <coconut> BlackDalek: have you got this disk mounted?
[12:44] <coconut> because that shouldn't be
[12:44] <BlackDalek> coconut, there is a drive icon for it on the desktop so I assume it is mounted
[12:44] <BlackDalek> coconut, I need to eject it?
[12:44] <coconut> no, umount it. (from finder is fine)
[12:45] <coconut> and then try again.
[12:45] <Rumen> When chage the driver to Xorg there is no problem with the VLC and Youtube, but no appication works in 3D - freeze the whole computer - any of the applications.
[12:45] <blackflow> Rumen: I've had issues with 390 in Bionic, with my GTX960, had to use the 396 from the graphics PPA:  https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[12:46] <BlackDalek> coconut, ok.. that seems to be were the trouble was. The cp command is doing something this time. Hurrah!
[12:46] <BlackDalek> where*
[12:46] <blackflow> Rumen: but also make sure first you purged all nvidia drives completely, and installed the default 390 with the new package in Bionic (that's Bionic, right?)    nvidia-driver-390
[12:46] <coconut> :)
[12:47] <blackflow> Rumen: Is that Bionic? new installation or upgrade?
[12:47] <Rumen> Yes it is BIONIC
[12:47] <Rumen> with the nvidia-390
[12:47] <Rumen> installed from the Software and updates application
[12:47] <blackflow> yah that's the transitional package. you ugraded from an older ubuntu, right?
[12:47] <Rumen> --> other drivers
[12:48] <Rumen> Yes, right
[12:48] <adham> blackflow
[12:48] <Rumen> 340 crashed veru ugly
[12:48] <adham> what if I'm on 192.168.1.x network already
[12:48] <blackflow> Rumen: okay so uninstall them all nvidia, anything nvidia* , reboot so nouveau takes over, make sure there are no nvidia packages installed, and install nvidia-driver-390 from teh command line, reboot.
[12:48] <adham> and the vpn is on 192.168.1.x
[12:48] <adham> how can I bypass tihs?
[12:48] <Hych> There's a certain video file (.mp4, .avi..etc) that I'd like to download through a direct link. However, I don't want to download the entire file but only that part of the video which goes from 05:20 to 07:00 for example. Is this possible?
[12:49] <BlackDalek> coconut, it's very slow... hasn't returned me to a command prompt agian yet :(
[12:49] <blackflow> Rumen: if you still have issues, consider the graphics PPA with the above link. I'm using it, with nvidia-driver-396, for my GTX960
[12:49] <blackflow> adham: your VPN should be using a different subnet then
[12:49] <blackflow> typically they use <IP_ADDRESS>/8
[12:50] <Rumen> That's what I did it. Putged all nvidia and rebooted in X, after that installed nvidia 390, it installed automatically 340, I uninstalled 340 and after run, but with all the issues I said above
[12:50] <Rumen> I will 396
[12:51] <blackflow> Hych: if the sever supports it, you could use http ranges. see this: https://ec.haxx.se/http-ranges.html   (make sure you  > somefile   as curl will otherwise dump to stdout)
[12:51] <Rumen> should I remove again all nvidia drivers or no?
[12:51] <coconut> BlackDalek: that's because it's probably no usb 3 device yet. (looking at your 7.5GiB size info in diskutil)
[12:51] <blackflow> Rumen: just in case I'd first purge them all, reboot (nouveau should take over), then install, reboot.
[12:51] <adham> I understand what you mean but I guess when I had help previously and got it work
[12:52] <Rumen> OK thanks a lot will try now.
[12:52] <adham> I was by that time on the same subnet network as the VPN which was causing more issues
[12:52] <blackflow> Rumen: because nvidia is DKMS and it compiles on installation, it's best to make sure it does so with no other nvidia packges around
[12:52] <Rumen> how?
[12:52] <Rumen> apt purge nvidia* ???
[12:53] <blackflow> adham: you can't have a VPN NIC on the same subnet as another NIC (eg. eth0), because of routing
[12:53] <blackflow> Rumen: dpkg -l | grep nvidia      see which is installed,  then apt purge   them specifically
[12:54] <BlackDalek> coconut, it's still going.... how long should I wait for a USB 2.0 drive to cp before I should start to get suspicious that it might have stalled?
[12:55] <Hych> blackflow: seems like that may work. but is it possible to know which range ends at which byte? e.g: how can i know 02:00-02:30 would be from byte 557 to 800?
[12:55] <coconut> BlackDalek: i think before half hour.
[12:55] <BlackDalek> coconut, been supposedly copying for almost 5 minutes now
[12:55] <Rumen> All ??? https://ibb.co/gXw1Z8
[12:56] <Rumen> Including kernel and lib's?
[12:56] <coconut> yes that's ok BlackDalek
[12:56] <blackflow> Hych: you probably can't do that, because of dynamic (variable) bitrate
[12:56] <BlackDalek> coconut, I tried swearing at it, but it isn't making it go any faster.
[12:57] <coconut> hehe
[12:57] <blackflow> Rumen: nvidia-driver-390,   and it'll remove all the deps   (you might need to   apt autoremove additionally, not sure)
[12:57] <Rumen> aha ok
[12:59] <BlackDalek> coconut, coming up on 10 minutes now with no signs of stopping. Would using the dd command have been any faster than using cp?
[13:00] <iodev> In ubuntu 20.04 please remove Netplan!
[13:00] <BlackDalek> coconut, ok... it just stopped with an error
[13:00] <blackflow> iodev: apt remove netplan.io     and you're set.
[13:00] <blackflow> iodev: you're not forced to use it, you can use networkd, or NM directly.
[13:01] <Rumen> apt purge said "nvidia-driver-390 is not installed"
[13:01] <BlackDalek> coconut, after just over 10 minutes, it spat out "could not copy extended attributes to /dev/disk1: Operation not permitted"
[13:01] <blackflow> Rumen: but that dpkg -l  showed    ii    for it, no?
[13:02] <BlackDalek> coconut, took damn thing long enough just to tell me it can't copy it.
[13:02] <Rumen> Yes it shows it is there, but when I gave command sudo apt purge nvidia-driver-390   got "it is not installed"
[13:02] <iodev> blackflow: I need hurricane electric tunnel, that's my reason :-)
[13:03] <iodev> blackflow: at least for servers, it's not appropiate, I removed nplan, but netplan.io will remove ubuntu-minimal
[13:03] <blackflow> iodev: no problem. in fact, you don't even have to remove netplan package, just remove any config from /etc/netplan/*   and it won't interfere.
[13:03] <iodev> done
[13:03] <coconut> BlackDalek: don't know which is faster, but cp is definately more normal to use.
[13:04] <iodev> it works now, either get 6to4 working with netplan or don't shove it down my troath microsoft style
[13:04] <blackflow> iodev: right, now you can use networkd directly.   in fact afaik you can still re-install ifupdown if you want it, but I'd rather let it go and minimize all the layering...
[13:04] <hays> what file system would you all recommend for ubuntu for specifically a 6x10TB RAID 10 array
[13:04] <hays> zfs?
[13:04] <iodev> blackflow: I did that, but it's a discomfort
[13:04] <blackflow> hays: I personally would, yes :)
[13:04] <hays> im a little worried about memory requirements
[13:05] <blackflow> iodev: sorry I don't follow, memory req for what?
[13:05] <hays> also worried that zfs is a toy for linux still, although i see its included as a supported option in ubuntu
[13:05] <hays> blackflow: memory requirements for zfs are typically recommended 1GB per TB
[13:05] <blackflow> oh wait wait, I confuzzled you nicks bombarding me at the same time :)   that was for hays, iodev sorry ;)
[13:06] <blackflow> hays: okay, so you can use ZFS with as minimum as 64MB. it _thrives_ on RAM, but doens't otherwise lock it, unless you dedupe or other stupid stuff.
[13:06] <hays> so that is 30TB, 32GB would be minimum
[13:06] <hays> motherboard is currently limited to 32GB
[13:06] <adham> thx blackflow
[13:06] <hays> maybe that's a reason to get 6x8TB drives
[13:06] <adham> I'll go home and continue trying from there
[13:06] <blackflow> hays: yes, that'd be my conclusion too. but eh, at that scale (30TB) I wouldn't consider anything ELSE than a self-healing, data-checksummed, CoW filesystem like ZFS. I wouldn't trust btrfs, but it's an alternative if you don't like zfs.
[13:07] <adham> appreciated!
[13:07] <blackflow> adham: yw
[13:07] <hays> well i like zfs . i use it now on freebsd, but i am finding freebsd difficult to administer. mostly because i don't have time to learn another system
[13:07] <blackflow> hays: at that scale you're pretty much guaranteed to have one or more bitrot corruptions per year
[13:08] <hays> yeah i wish btrfs was getting better faster
[13:08] <hays> doesn't seem ready
[13:08] <hays> i think my choices are xfs or zfs
[13:08] <blackflow> hays: ZFS on Linux (ZoL) is quite good. a bit messy if you root on ZFS, but doable and quite supported in Ubuntu (except by the installer)
[13:08] <hays> i don't need to do root on zfs
[13:08] <blackflow> hays: just say no to anything that's not data checksummed at this scale. I wouldn't trust hardware raid either.
[13:09] <Rumen> I will do it via sinaptyc
[13:09] <hays> i could try to upgrade the mobo, but its expensive. new memory, new cpu, etc
[13:10] <BlackDalek> coconut, any thoughts on why the cp failed to copy to the USB?
[13:10] <blackflow> hays: well, again ZFS thrives on RAM and that recommendation (1GB per TB) is just a recommendation, not something set in stone
[13:10] <coconut> BlackDalek: that's weird it should not say that. You said you also have an option to try and do this cp command from a linux computer? (the normal iso file then, and no diskutil but sudo fdisk -l (and again do *not* make a mistake)). Seeing i have to go out now...
[13:10] <blackflow> hays: and if you don't use dedupe, then the recommendation comes from the fact that, as a data-checksumming filesystem, it's rather slow, so it prefers having stuff in ARC
[13:11] <blackflow> hays: but then it depends on your specific use case, eg. if you have ARC thrashing like there's no tomorrow because your file access is totally randomyl spread out to 30TB, then it doesn't matter
[13:11] <blackflow> hays: what matters most, is to cram as much as hot data (MFU cache) into RAM as possible.
[13:11] <coconut> blackflow: i am not saying this well to you, it still should be the img.dmg file.
[13:12] <blackflow> black<tab><tab>
[13:12] <blockflaw> better?
[13:13] <BlackDalek> coconut, ok
[13:13] <coconut> seeing mac only works with that. (try to have the dmg file on a linux pc and try again)
[13:13] <hays> blockflaw: do you know if there is a way to boot from a traditional file system root and then transition to zfs? my other two disks are ssds, and i'd love to keep them off root if possible
[13:14] <coconut> (and check the dev location with fdisk(do not just use a fdisk command you like ok?)) i go...
[13:14] <BlackDalek> too many names starting with black :)
[13:14] <hays> maybe that's a bad idea. I've found that if IO gets high, you don't want the system getting starved out of root
[13:14] <BlackDalek> coconut, bye
[13:14] <blockflaw> hays: not sure I understand your question
[13:15] <hays> yeah nevermind. maybe I should get a third SSD
[13:15] <hays> something small
[13:15] <blockflaw> hays: you can ionice the processes if that happens
[13:16] <hays> in freebsd, I had root on SSDs that also had ZIL cache and it caused big problems
[13:17] <blockflaw> hays: you have write-intense load?
[13:17] <hays> at times yes
[13:17] <blockflaw> also note that FreeBSD prefers writes (gives them higher priority), at least it was in the past, so on FreeBSD such loads might starve interactivity, yes.
[13:18] <blockflaw> there's currently some threads in the mailing list about the scheduler redesign due to it being.... inadquate.
[13:18] <hays> it was bad--brought down services, and it the worst case actually caused the service doing to copy to disconnect
[13:18] <raidghost> Why is it needed to use boot repair after installing ubuntu 18.04 LTS UEFI ?
[13:19] <raidghost> Does NOT make any Sense
[13:20] <whitebeast> hello?
[13:20] <raidghost> hello
[13:20] <hays> hmm so the only question is whether i should upgrade the mobo
[13:20] <hays> and make this thing a little more beastly
[13:20] <blockflaw> hays: what's your current MFU?
[13:21] <blockflaw> hays: but yeah, ZFS will love all the RAMs you throw at it ;)
[13:21] <hays> current setup is quite smaller
[13:21] <hays> ARC: 16G Total, 2483M MFU, 12G MRU, 124K Anon, 275M Header, 957M Othe
[13:21] <blockflaw> hays: we've migrated all the FreeBSD/ZFS machines to Ubuntu/ZFS (and some gentoo ones for testing), so far so good
[13:22] <hays> blockflaw: raidz1?
[13:22] <whitebeast> so im still running 16.04 on my laptop, for one reason or another the computer died while in an upgrade through the terminal, and now i cant update,upgrade, or download  /var/lib/apt/lists/lock -open (11: resorce temp unavailable
[13:22] <blockflaw> hays: mirror and raidz2
[13:22] <whitebeast> any ideas on where i start?
[13:22] <hays> curious how the zfs import/export went
[13:22] <hays> right now i have raidz1 with 4 drives at 2TB each
[13:22] <blockflaw> hays: with bionic it went well, as before that, ZOL 0.6.x had issues and bugs due to feature sets
[13:23] <hays> i kinda want better write performance so i was thinking raid10
[13:24] <blockflaw> hays: striped mirror, yeah that's not bad either
[13:24] <blockflaw> you lose the "any two disks" redundancy, but eh.
[13:24] <hays> but load is VERY bursty, was also thinking of getting another ssd for root and taking the two ssds I have now and making them a HUGE dedicated ZIL
[13:25] <blockflaw> hays: not sure you need big ZILs. unless you have _really_ massive write bandwidth to deal with (but you probably don't, as that would require massive networking throughput first)
[13:26] <hays> the use case is copying huge data sets from the local network
[13:26] <blockflaw> hays: ZIL is just temporary page-out before it's syphoned to HDDs. I doubt more than few GBs would offer any improvement
[13:26] <hays> but its something that just happens occasionally
[13:26] <hays> so like if my wife has 10GB of video she's edited getting the array to swallow that fast is always a good thing
[13:27] <blockflaw> but how big of the network pipe you have there?
[13:27] <hays> just gigabit
[13:27] <hays> maybe a bit less over wifi
[13:28] <blockflaw> quite likely less over wifi :)
[13:29] <hays> well i get pretty good throughput, but not quite gigabit
[13:29] <hays> 802.11ac doesn't do bad
[13:29] <blockflaw> oh ac, yeah, that's big then
[13:29] <blockflaw> anway... at 1Gbps that's what, ~120MB/s of sequential write?
[13:30] <blockflaw> a striped mirror of SATA spinning rusts should gulp that easily.
[13:30] <hays> yeah. curious i just found an article of somone who got nearly the same performance from a raidz2
[13:31] <blockflaw> hays: strategically placed to appropriate controllers for maximum parallelization is the key
[13:32] <hays> I have one 8 port sas controller
[13:32] <blockflaw> with a striped mirror, that'd be 60MB/s per stripe, a breeze with 4 independent sata controlers
[13:32] <blockflaw> and look at that, 8 port SAS will eat that for breakfast.
[13:32] <hays> LSI 2308 SAS2
[13:33] <hays> i think the drives are going to be SATA though
[13:33] <blockflaw> SATA3 FTW
[13:34] <hays> yeah..  motherboard limitations
[13:34] <hays> comes back to whether i want to dump $1000 or so into a motherboard
[13:34] <hays> was hoping to get two refresh cycles out of it
[13:35] <blockflaw> hays: "wife video editing" sounds important enough to protec with some nice hadware backed ZFS :)
[13:35] <blockflaw> typos notwithstanding.
[13:35] <hays> i don't think sas2 will be a bottleneck
[13:35] <blockflaw> hays: I'm in ubuntu-discuss if you wanna continue this, I think we're way beyond #ubuntu support with that topic ;)
[13:37] <blockflaw> hays: it won't. I can do 150MB/s seq easily, with a striped mirror of quad WD Re's, SATA2 methinks
[13:37] <blockflaw> (moving to #ubuntu-discuss)
[13:43] <BlackDalek> Does anyone here know how to get Ubuntu onto a mac mini (old version macmini1,1) ?
[13:48] <BlackDalek> I'm starting to think that installing ubuntu on an early Mac Mini is totally impossible :(
[13:53] <Rumen> blockflaw unfortunatelly 396 didn't help. Maybe I did somehitng wrong, but after installed the driver and reboot the sysatem was in 640/480 and couldn't change it. Now back to 390 and works as before ... again some applications freeze the computer and video freeze for a second every 5 seconds
[13:53] <BlackDalek> I am trying to install Ubuntu onto a mac mini (early 2006 model). Can anyone help?
[13:55] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: this? or even older? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mac_mini
[13:55] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, it's a Macmini1,1 (even older) there is no instructions for the 1,1 on that link
[13:56] <tomreyn> so 12 years old, most likely only 32-bit then
[13:57] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, that is correct. It has a 32-bit 1.5 GHz Intel Core Solo in it
[13:59] <tomreyn> this wont get meltdown fixes.
[14:00] <tomreyn> maybe it's old enough not to need any, though.
[14:00] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, what is a meltdown fix?
[14:02] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: a workaround to a relevant design bug in intel CPUs making almost all cpus they did in the past 10 years insecure. i'm surprised you didnt read about it.
[14:08] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: so my *guess* is that you could use any 32-bit installer, but 32-bit is no longer supported.
[14:09] <mtdms> hi, i have a doubt about repositories, im trying to install php5 with apt, but ubuntu just show me php7, version 7, i want version 5, how repositories work? i already try to take off the # in source.list, the repositories are only ubuntu give me or i can add any type of software repositories i want?
[14:09] <mtdms> how repositories works in ubuntu
[14:09] <tomreyn> and if you used the 32-bit installer, you'd need to ensure you remove the uefi shim before booting into the installed OS, so it will use legacy booting
[14:09] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: ^
[14:11] <mtdms> maybe i mean official and not official
[14:11] <mtdms> what are not official? they are the repositories are not in ubuntu? from another sources?
[14:11] <mtdms> out the distro?
[14:12] <tomreyn> mtdms: usually, every ubuntu version provides a specific version of some application. sometimes there are multiple versions available in parallel, but not for php. so if you wanted php5 you would need to use an ubuntu version that is old enough to still support it.
[14:12] <BlackDalek> tomreyn, I tried stripping the uefi using the xorriso method described here http://coderazzi.net/linux/macmini2006/macmini.htm but that failed to get results. The boot process gave a "Failed to load ldlinux.c32" error message
[14:12] <mtdms> ok, thanks
[14:13] <tomreyn> mtdms: but there is only ubuntu 14.04 'trusty' to still provide php5, and this is going to be end of life mid next year.
[14:13] <tomreyn> mtdms: as you already discussed, there is another option, namely the use of a PPA which enables you to run older PHP versions on newer ubuntu releases.
[14:14] <tomreyn> !ppa | mtdms
[14:14] <mtdms> another question, how arepositories work? there are repositories only ubnutu gives me? or there are repositories out ubuntu from any type of software? i dont know if i mean not oficcial
[14:14] <mtdms> oohhh
[14:14] <mtdms> i didnt know about that
[14:14] <mtdms> so there are any kinf of software in repositories? not only ubuntu gives me
[14:15] <tomreyn> mtdms: this one is commonly used for the purpose of running multiple php versions next to another or for running older php on newer ubuntu releases or the other way around: https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php
[14:16] <mtdms> im learning something new, i didnt know about it, so i can add any type of repositories?
[14:17] <tomreyn> just keep in mind that PPAs are not supported by canonical (who make ubuntu) and not really supported here either.
[14:17] <mtdms> its named ppa?
[14:17] <tomreyn> see what ubottu told you, mtdms
[14:17] <mtdms> let me check, one min
[14:18] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: okay, i was just guessing there. i guess this is really old hardware, beyond useful nowadays.
[14:19] <tomreyn> it will also draw a lot of power
[14:21] <qzhong0605> Is there any method to build an vpn tunnel from a pfx file?
[14:22] <mtdms> thanks a lot
[14:22] <mtdms> i was looking for that
[14:22] <mtdms> thanks
[14:22] <tomreyn> welcome
[14:22] <BlackDalek> ok... so I guess it really is impossible to make a 2006 Mac Mini install Ubuntu, despite multiple sites claiming it IS possible? The results of 15 hours research seem to prove it's not possible :/
[14:23] <qzhong0605> /filter add joinquit * irc_join,irc_part,irc_quit *
[14:26] <tomreyn> qzhong0605: not without further information. the pfx file will be a PKCS12 (also known as .p12) which can be used a sclient certificate for authentication to the VPN.
[14:26] <tomreyn> but you'll also need information on which VPN protocol is to be used, where to connect to etc.
[14:27] <qzhong0605> Ok. Thanks
[14:27] <mtdms> mmm i thought there were more software for windows than linux, because i thought the oficial repositories were all of them, so there are plenty of linux software?
[14:28] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: i'm not saing it's impossible (though i dont know how), i'm just saying it's probably not worth is and if you make it you'll end up with a system that is slow and still draws much power, and is so non-standard that it may need customizations whenever you update the kernel.
[14:30] <tomreyn> mtdms: there is plenty of software for linux. but most of the software you'll want to use is available in the official repositories indeed.
[14:30] <tomreyn> there are also snaps to add to these repositories.
[14:30] <binary_hamster> hello, Today i am trying to run a sudo apt-get command and i am asked for my password. I enter it (the one i set) and got this: Sorry,Try Again. I did, and it kept saying Sorry, Try Again.. Can anyone help?
[14:30] <mtdms> thanks
[14:31] <tomreyn> mtdms: so you can also install these https://snapcraft.io/store
[14:31] <tomreyn> starting ubuntu 16.04 that is
[14:32] <BlackDalek> hehe.. I found an ancient Ubuntu 8.04 installer CD. That boots on this old mac ;)
[14:33] <binaryhermit> probably  not a good idea to install it and use the internet
[14:33] <binaryhermit> since it either hasn't gotten a security update since either 2011 or 2013
[14:33] <mtdms> are they like an apps?
[14:34] <mtdms> linux software right
[14:34]  * binaryhermit isn't 100% sure when Ubuntu went from 3 years of support for LTS releases to 5 years of support for LTS releases
[14:34] <binaryhermit> err
[14:34] <binaryhermit> that's a LTS since it's (even>6).04
[14:35] <similianWeb> hello is there a way to add a vlan to my primary ensXXX without creating aliases?
[14:35] <BlackDalek> This mac won't be used for internet access, but still, it will be pretty much useless because 8.04 won't run the software I want to run on it.
[14:35] <binaryhermit> or 6.06
[14:35] <binaryhermit> I'd only install it for nostalgia's sake, if even that
[14:36] <tomreyn> BlackDalek: clean it up nicely, and donate it to your clostest computer museum. ;-)
[14:36] <Noxturnix> Hello World
[14:36] <BlackDalek> If I did install it, and wipe the mac mini's hard disk, I still would not be able to install 16.04 over the top of it, right? It would still be a useless brick?
[14:38] <tomreyn> maybe it makes a good door stopper
[14:39] <mtdms> when i install the repositories ppa after time how can i remove them? where i can find them? for example source.list
[14:40] <tomreyn> similianWeb: i dont think so. why would you need it to not be an alias?
[14:41] <mtdms> how i can manage the ppa like in source.list?
[14:41] <similianWeb> tomreyn as in my setup it would be used as an additional optional ip
[14:42] <similianWeb> sofar I read that alias for additional id is obsoleted
[14:42] <similianWeb> additional ip
[14:43] <similianWeb> when i ad an additional ip i just add some lines along ip add add xyz dev .... to my interface and i am fine
[14:43] <similianWeb> yet with vlan i guess i have to create an alias - what could impact my application and firewalls now ...
[14:43] <similianWeb> i fear
[14:44] <tomreyn> !ppapurge | mtdms to remove a PPA
[14:45] <mtdms> thanks a lot
[14:46] <tomreyn> similianWeb: you can have separate (renamed) interfaces for vlans, but they'll still need to be linked to a main interface.
[14:46] <similianWeb> also where do i set the vlan id in the /etc/network interfaces? is it by naming the alias ens999.10 is that vlan id 10 ?
[14:48] <tomreyn> similianWeb: which ubuntu release are you asking about?
[14:49] <similianWeb> 16
[14:49] <tomreyn> there is no such release
[14:49] <similianWeb> sorry give me a second
[14:50] <tomreyn> "lsb_release -ds" will tell you what you have
[14:51] <similianWeb> Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS 64 Bit
[14:51] <tomreyn> similianWeb: then this is the how-to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/vlan
[14:51] <similianWeb> i did not know anyone was using anything other than this ome
[14:51] <myrat> hi guys can anyone help with netplan
[14:52] <tomreyn> !details | myrat
[14:52] <similianWeb> tomreyn thats one of the guides i followed
[14:52] <similianWeb> and i wondered if the vlan id is set in the interface config or by vconf ( i was hoping thats optional =
[14:53] <BluesKaj> myrat, so what's your issue with netplan?
[14:54] <tomreyn> similianWeb: you'll need both the alias interface and the vlan package
[14:55] <hans_> "This kernel requires an x86-64 CPU, but only detected an i686 CPU. Unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU."
[14:56] <hans_> does 18.04 have a 32bit version?
[14:56] <hans_> x86
[14:57] <tomreyn> hans_: i dont think so.
[14:58] <hans_> according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes , the desktop version doesn't have a 32bit (which seem to imply that the server edition does, but it doesn't say so explicitly), quote: Other highlights since 16.04 LTS
[14:58] <hans_> :  32-bit installer images are no longer provided for Ubuntu Desktop.
[14:59] <tomreyn> there's still a 32-bit mini.iso http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[14:59] <tomreyn> but that's not "for the desktop", that's a minimal installation iso which requires a working internet connection. you can customize the installation created there to become a desktop installation.
[15:00] <hans_> i don't want a desktop installation however, i just want to set up an ancient computer from the basement as a server :)
[15:00] <hans_> with a 32bit cpu
[15:01] <tomreyn> well, you can, with this, it just isn't supported, and the package archives for it may get dropped at any time, or may no longer get updated.
[15:01] <similianWeb> tomreyn thanks for the info - i discovered the /proc/net/vlan so its vlan is quite different - i will read into it thanks for the directions
[15:02] <gt8ost4l> does anybody here have experience with brackets?
[15:02] <hans_> kk, just to be clear, 18.04 does not officially support x86 32bit cpus, correct?
[15:03] <tomreyn> similianWeb: welcome, good luck. if the renamed / alias interface creates a serious issue for your application or firewall, you should really consider fixing or replacing those. alternatively, you could get a managed switch which can terminate the vlan for the port this computer is connected on.
[15:03] <hans_> but 16.04 LTS does
[15:03] <hans_> ?
[15:05] <tomreyn> hans_: right, 18.04 does not support 32-bit. 16.04 still did/does.
[15:07] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn:have you ever used brackets?
[15:11] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: what kind of brackets?
[15:13] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn:the editor brackeets.io
[15:13] <gt8ost4l> brackets.io
[15:13] <tomreyn> no. but this isnt your actual question, right?
[15:14] <gt8ost4l> yup scroll up lol.
[15:14] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: you probably want to ask somethign about how to use it.
[15:14] <myself> meaning, there's an X/Y problem happening here...
[15:16] <myrat> hey you there
[15:16] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn:tomreyn can i just show you a picture of it?
[15:17] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: how does this relate to ubuntu support?
[15:17] <gt8ost4l> tomreyn:i tried there channel but its a ghost town!
[15:17] <gt8ost4l> nobody wants to help me
[15:17] <gt8ost4l> i waited a least 40 minutes
[15:18] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: well, maybe this wants to send you a hidden message?
[15:18] <gt8ost4l> nop
[15:22] <BluesKaj> myrat, who me?
[15:23] <myrat> Blueskaj wossap
[15:23] <BluesKaj> myrat, you have a netplan issue?
[15:24] <myrat> BluesKaj yeah
[15:24] <BluesKaj> I'm not gonna ask again
[15:25] <tomreyn> gt8ost4l: if the question you never asked was "how can i install adobe brackets on ubuntu", then there answer would be "it is not a supported package, but there are unsupported packages in this PPA https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/ubuntu/brackets - type !ppa here if you dont know what a PPA is"
[15:30] <BluesKaj> our mind readers are on vacation so you guys who aren't describing your issues are outta luck
[15:30] <similianWeb> all of them?
[15:31] <hggdh> all.
[15:31] <BluesKaj> yup :-)
[15:31] <similianWeb> dang.
[15:31] <hggdh> now, back to topic, please
[15:36]  * BluesKaj waits for a topic
[15:46] <fatMatt> lFACZUR3848GYEHIFPÅB
[15:46] <fatMatt>   R
[15:46] <tomreyn> fatMatt: do you, or does you cat, have an ubuntu support question?
[15:49] <fatMatt> U+HE
[16:12] <dan01> Sometimes when I watch movies on VLC, the images freezes and the system stops responding to anything at all. But I can still hear the video playing. I don't have a dedicated GPU, only Intel UHD 620
[16:12] <think> join #sexe
[16:13] <tomreyn> nah dont
[16:13] <tomreyn> dan01: which ubuntu version?
[16:13] <tomreyn> lsb_release -ds
[16:14] <tomreyn> and which kernel version? cat /proc/version
[16:15] <jack1> Hello
[16:16] <jack1> Just testing something
[16:23] <spaces> is there a good and really freee solution (even a keepass file on google drive would work) for central password management ?
[16:28] <tomreyn> spaces: "good" can be quite subjective, i like keyringer, but also keepassxc and passwordsafe.
[16:31] <tomreyn> keyringer has some git 'integration' for (de)central password management, the others would require you to sync it yourself somehow (such as using a cloud sync)
[16:37] <jnewt> i have no sound.  in control center -> hardware -> sound preferences -> hardware there are no devices to configure in the selection box.   the output section shows Dummy Output Stereo.  steps to fix it?
[16:43] <jack1> hi
[16:43] <jack1> just testing something (again)
[16:43] <qzhong0605> how to get the topology of PCI devices ?
[16:45] <BluesKaj> jnewt, run cat /proc/asound/modules to see what audio driver, if any'
[16:47] <Daekdroom> Hello. I've had my data HDD fail with a error 7. I've bought a replacement, but I'd like to image the old hard drive to salvage my data. However, Ubuntu refuses to boot with the old HDD due to i/o errors. Is there any GRUB boot options I can use to ignore those errors?
[16:48] <jnewt> BluesKaj, i have 0 snd_hda_intel and 1 snd_hda_intel
[16:49] <compdoc> Daekdroom, boot clonezilla and clone it to a file
[16:49] <Daekdroom> compdoc, I intended to use ddrescue. Is clonezilla different?
[16:50] <Daekdroom> Well, as long as it boots and works, it doesn't matter...
[16:50] <Daekdroom> Thank you.
[16:51] <compdoc> its a bootable linux cd, so the OS is known good and stable, and it has options to ignore certain errors and just keep going. you can clone to a file or to another drive tempoaraly to retreve files
[16:52] <compdoc> Daekdroom  ^
[16:52] <Daekdroom> That's exactly what I need, indeed.
[16:52] <LuMint> is LjL an OP here?
[16:57] <BluesKaj> jnewt, ok open als mixer in the terminal and make sure your audio ctls are up to at least 80% and there are no ctls with MM (mute). Use the M ket unmute if needed. Alsomake sure the automute is disabled located somewhere on the far right
[16:57] <BluesKaj> alsamixer
[17:04] <jnewt> BluesKaj: sorry didn't se your response.  i just reinstalled alsa-base and pulseaudio after deleting the ~/.config/pulse directory contents and running alsa force-reload i have sound now.
[17:06] <BluesKaj> jnewt,  removing pulse is understandable, but why did you remove alsa-base ?
[17:10] <spaces> tomreyn thanks!
[17:10] <spaces> tomreyn new install was easy peasy yesterday
[17:13] <ppx___> I cant set up a DSL connection in 18.04 mate, is there a solution?
[17:13] <compdoc> using network manager?
[17:13] <ppx___> yes even nmtui
[17:14] <ppx___> are they gonna fix it after time?
[17:39] <fossxplorer> How can i install lxc3, using apt? Apt-cache show lxc lists multiplle, lxc 3 amont them
[17:39] <fossxplorer> But using apt install lxc, i get lxc v2
[17:40] <fossxplorer> I'm on ARM64 though, but i guess it shouldn't matter in this context
[17:41] <MattBleach> test
[17:41] <MattBleach> this is just a test
[17:42] <T4P4N> test for irc client?
[17:42] <MattBleach> Yes
[17:42] <MattBleach> This is on windows rt
[17:42] <T4P4N> MattBleach: '__'
[17:43] <T4P4N> MattBleach: Which client you are using?
[17:43] <MattBleach> ice chat 9.04a
[17:45] <MattBleach> any way i can run ubuntu on windows rt
[17:45] <MattBleach> tablet
[17:56] <jerome-> I have ubuntu installed (without UI), and for some reason, if I don't put "auto enp2s0" and "iface enp2s0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces, I have no network
[17:56] <jerome-> Is there a reason why I would need to specify network device?
[17:58] <jerome-> I have another ubuntu computer with the UI, and any network card is enabled by default
[17:59] <Mead> so I'm sorta disapointed in xubuntu and xfce's multi-monitor abilities.  Is there another flavor of ubuntu with a light weight gui?
[17:59] <jluc> lubuntu is probably lighter
[18:00] <jluc> with lxde
[18:02] <Mead> are you familure with using lxde?
[18:05] <confluency> What is the problem with XFCE's handling of multiple monitors?
[18:06] <Mead> it doesn't let you extend to the left, just to the right.
[18:06] <confluency> Have you tried using xrandr?
[18:07] <confluency> It's a commandline utility for configuring screens. It should work in any environment. You can arrange them arbitrarily.
[18:09] <Mead> the problem is in xfce it puts the panel and icons in the left most screen, which isn't good since the left screen isn't alway used by the xubuntu system.
[18:10] <confluency> Can you not configure which head the elements are on?
[18:10] <confluency> FWIW, I use Fluxbox, and I can configure where each UI element goes. It's a very minimalist environment, though.
[18:10] <Mead> no, add the screen and everything moves to the left regardless which display is "primary"\
[18:13] <jnewt> i have ubuntu, i believe it was originally the ubuntu-mate flavor.   prior to upgrading to 18.04, i was running cinnamon desktop, and also got cinnamon when rdp from windows to my ubuntu computer.   now, i boot locally and get mate, and when i rdp, i get xfce.   where are the settings for which de to use stored?
[18:14] <ducasse> Mead: use the '--primary' option with xrandr to select the primary screen
[18:15] <jnewt> if i just remove mate and xfce, will it default to what is left (cinnamon)?
[18:17] <ghostnik11> hi i have an asus t100taf and it has 16.04 ubuntu on it, is there anything lighter than the unity desktop? b/c i feel like sometimes it lags when my little 2 in 1 tablet has to do multiple task. it has an intel atom cpu, is cinnamon lighter than unity?
[18:18] <AuroraAvenue> How do I install from source?
[18:20] <jeflui> AuroraAvenue, What do you want install?
[18:20] <AuroraAvenue> jeflui, Audo Recorder - I am on Solus.
[18:20] <AuroraAvenue> but theres little activity there.
[18:26] <ducasse> AuroraAvenue: only ubuntu is supported here, i suggest you keep trying there (or try ##linux)
[18:31] <bollmann> can you speak german?
[18:34] <bollmann> join please Linux
[18:35] <bollmann> bye
[18:37] <mdemo> Anybody know why libssl1.0.0 requires a reboot to be updated?
[18:38] <bollmann> can you speak german?
[18:39] <Mead> nine
[18:39] <stormchas2000> no sorry i can not speak German, even though i was born there. I moved to the US when i was 2
[18:41] <seven-eleven> hi
[18:42] <seven-eleven> if I add "auth    [success=1 default=ignore]  pam_winbind.so debug" to /etc/pam.d/common-auth, should I see in syslog the domain login attempt via winbind? i don't see it, thats why i worry pam isn't even trying
[18:45] <mdemo> Found this which may answer my Q: https://medium.com/@nobuto_m/knowing-what-services-need-restart-with-needrestart-37419f44ed46
[18:48] <hay207> Hi, how to open gstreamer-properties in 18.04 ?, got command not found
[18:53] <ioria> hay207, gnome-media it'S A precise/trusty package
[18:54] <hay207> ok
[18:56] <wooster> does live-build work with ubuntu? or just debian?
[19:00] <wooster> im getting E: Release signed by unknown key (key id 40976EAF437D05B5) if i try to do anything with lb
[19:06] <Noxturnix> quit
[19:07] <Noxturnix> SORRY
[19:07] <wooster> ha haha
[19:07] <wooster> fool
[19:07] <infinitux> I installed kxstudio repositories and love the apps that are in them, but I'm finding they have a lot of conflicts or missing prerequisites. I'd like to have them all work fluidly on my ubuntustudio 18.04 system
[19:35] <hay207> Hi, i notice alsa bit depth in alsaplayer keeps changing to and from 160,112, 128, 192, 256, is that normal?
[19:36] <oerheks> sure, vriable bitrate
[19:36] <oerheks> c/ variable bitrate
[19:37] <oerheks> it is an option, for mpeg/mp3.
[19:37] <hay207> Ok
[19:38] <oerheks> some codecs have that build in and activated.
[19:50] <gde33> is system monitor an ubuntu thing or just a bundled application?
[19:51] <gde33> I was imagining it would be cool if it had things like fan speed and tempratures
[19:51] <gde33> using psensor atm
[19:52] <gde33> bit buggy but it works
[20:04] <gene_> may i get a registration code?
[20:04] <gene_> my name is gene
[20:04] <gene_> how do i get registration code
[20:05] <gene_> can i get a registration code
[20:05] <drmessano> It’s 1111111-11111
[20:05] <drmessano> Oh
[20:05] <gene_> i am gene, can i get a registration code
[20:06] <leftyfb> !register | gene_
[20:06] <ghostnik11> hey if i just want to install cinnamon desktop but not the programs that are associated with it, can i do that? or must i install of the programs that come with it, in order to have it?
[20:07] <gene_> looking for regisitration code
[20:07] <leftyfb> !register | gene_
[20:07] <leftyfb> gene_: please see the link that was given to you and stop asking
[20:07] <leftyfb> gene_: For information on registering your IRC nick, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - For any further help, ask in #freenode.
[20:08] <gene_> may i get registration code
[20:08] <ghostnik11> in synaptic it says i have to install all these other programs that are associated with cinnamon but i just want to install the desktop environment where i have just the desktop and can keep my current programs
[20:09] <leftyfb> gene_: stop asking, go to #freenode
[20:09] <gene_> ok
[20:11] <hans_> i need to copy a harddrive over a LAN from the ubuntu installer, i guess having the target run nc -l 9999 > disk.img  and the source run nc <IP_ADDRESS> < /dev/sda      should work?
[20:16] <unknown__> In Ubuntu 18.04, is there a way to get drive shortcuts back on the dock?
[20:17] <david__> Hello All, Is the server.iso the best way to get a just a cli environment? And is wireless easy to configure if one does not have eth0? thanks.
[20:18] <david__> i currently run openbsd but want to learn linux as well.
[20:21] <hans_> david__, imo, the "mini.iso" is the best way, but the "Ubuntu Server Installer" will also give you a cli
[20:21] <hans_> david__, imo, this is the best way to get a cli: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[20:22] <david__> hans > i am unaware of mini.iso, thanks
[20:22] <david__> thank you hans. will look into it now
[20:24] <hans_> david__, btw, if you're gonna use the server installer, use the "alternative installer", not the main installer (for 18.04 they replaced the normal installer with a new, modern, and prematurely released installer by default, and call the good old installer for the "alternative installer")
[20:24] <david__> hans, that good to know. thanks again my friend.
[20:25] <hans_> (also, the mini.iso use the good old installer)
[20:26] <david__> hey hans, does the mini.iso have wireless support? wpa_supplicant or something similar?
[20:26] <david__> my eth0 is broken
[20:26] <GillaGal> In Ubuntu 18.04, is there a way to get drive shortcuts back on the dock?
[20:27] <lotuspsychje> !info docky | GillaGal
[20:30] <hans_> david__, i don't know, but i *think* the full installer has a lot more drivers (probably including wifi drivers) than the mini.iso - here is the full alternative server installer: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04/release/ubuntu-18.04-server-amd64.iso
[20:31] <david__> hans, will look into both options. Thanks again
[20:32] <hans_> (which is basically the full version of the mini.iso )
[20:33] <_Aeden_> Hello
[20:33] <_Aeden_> I would like to know if it's possible to install the following theme on Lubuntu please (and how :D) :
[20:33] <_Aeden_> https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1080174/
[20:38] <hans__> damn
[20:38] <david__> hans, why do you keep dropping out?
[20:39] <hans__> why is "dd if=/dev/sda bs=10M | nc <IP_ADDRESS>" running at ~6MB/s,  while "nc <IP_ADDRESS> < /dev/sda" runs at ~5.1MB/s ?
[20:40] <hans__> david__, switched from wifi to cable
[20:40] <hans__> and before that, well, i just got a shitty connection, am on a small island in the middle of nowhere with shitty network infrastructure
[20:41] <david__> hell, being on a small island has to be better than this big island they call usa
[20:41] <david__> lol
[20:41] <hans__> lel
[20:42] <david__> do use "screen" or "tmux" so you can re-attach?
[20:42] <qwebirc99950> I need help
[20:43] <bapa> tmux. screen is dead.
[20:43] <GillaGal> lotuspsychje, No way to do it with the new default dock huh?
[20:43] <bapa> david__: what's the probrem you're having, friend?
[20:43] <qwebirc99950> I installed gnome on Ubuntu 16.04 and after rebooting, Ubuntu gets stuck on d login page
[20:43] <david__> no problem Big baba, lol. everything is good.
[20:44] <lotuspsychje> GillaGal: not sure its possible on the current dock, perhaps take a look at dconf-editor
[20:44] <david__> bapa
[20:44] <david__> damn, that was funny in my head, lol
[20:44] <qwebirc99950> Join
[20:44] <david__> i use tmux but was unaware screen is dead
[20:45] <hans__> david__, i use screen over tmux, but i use mosh
[20:45] <hans__> screen is not dead. i talked with 1 of the screen main maintainers a few days ago, about a bug, in screen
[20:45] <david__> i have so much to learn....thank goodness
[20:46] <hans__> https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/index.php?54164
[20:46] <qwebirc99950> I’ve been able to edit grub commands by adding nomodeset
[20:46] <bapa> hans__: I consider Screen dead because the source code is unreadable to me :P
[20:47] <hans__> bapa, if your problem is C, then i guess you consider the linux kernel dead as well?
[20:47] <qwebirc99950> I’ve also been able to start terminal but I keep getting stuck while trying to login
[20:47] <hans__> or do you just mean the codebase is shitty?
[20:47] <bapa> It has nothing to do with the language. Plus there's nothing wrong with C. The code for Screen is just messy and hard to hold in your head.
[20:48] <hans__> kk
[20:48] <qwebirc99950> Whenever I enter my login details I get an “incorrect login” response.
[20:48] <qwebirc99950> What can I do?
[20:48] <hans__> qwebirc99950, are you trying to login as root?
[20:48] <bapa> qwebirc99950: Did you upgrade Ubuntu recently?
[20:48] <bapa> And have you been able to login in the past?
[20:49] <hans__> since forever, root login has been disabled by default in ssh. since 18.04 (or somewhere AFTER 16.04 but <= 18.04), root login was disabled by default in the main terminal
[20:49] <hans__> and honestly.. in 18.04, i don't know how to enable root login on main terminal
[20:50] <hans__> (on a headless ubuntu)
[20:50] <hans__> anyone does?
[20:50] <bapa> hans__: I'm not on Ubuntu right now, but my guess might be a file in /etc/pam.d might possibly have a plugin that denies auth as root.
[20:51] <david__> hey hans and bapa, i know nothing about linux but could qwebirc open a virutal terminal and bypass graphical login then enter his credentials?
[20:53] <hans__> bapa, any idea which? https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/eOHNhb1tz6WnTHdHCeaU~g/raw?password=JwC5tHR9nceiSWBuhE8s
[20:54] <greatgatsby> hans__, what password are you providing for root (not asking you to post the actual password here).  You set a root password with passwd or some other utility?
[20:54] <hans__> i set a password in the ubuntu installer, realized it didn't work on root login, then set a password with sudo passwd, still can't login
[20:55] <GillaGal> Is there a way to have windows use the entire screen (over the top activity bar) in 18.04?
[20:55] <greatgatsby> ok, neither of those are for the root user.
[20:56] <greatgatsby> actually, one sec...
[20:58] <greatgatsby> sorry, I stand corrected, sudo passwd does indeed set the password for root
[20:59] <hans__> greatgatsby, well, i didn't really use "sudo passwd" anyway, i used "sudo su", followed by "passwd"
[20:59] <greatgatsby> I've always explicitly does 'sudo passwd root' in the past, but don't bother now.  Any reason logging in as a normal user and then 'sudo -i' to become root isn't sufficient
[20:59] <hans__> greatgatsby, o
[20:59] <greatgatsby> k
[21:00] <hans__> greatgatsby, i always used "sudo -s" in the past, but then ubuntu f**ked it all up, and made -s  mess with the home directory... which debian doesn't do...  so i switched to "sudo su" (which doesn't do anything funny with the home directory)
[21:01] <hans__> (iirc, on ubuntu, `sudo -s` will give you a root terminal, but change root's home directory to whichever user ran sudo... z.z and afaik, only ubuntu does this)
[21:03] <david__> hans, does booting into single user mode allow you to change root password?
[21:03] <oerheks> GillaGal, F11
[21:03] <david__> or am i grasping
[21:03] <greatgatsby> maybe 'sudo -i' is what you want?  "The command is run with an environment similar to the one a user would receive at log in"
[21:03] <oerheks> hans, sudo -i is the ubuntu way
[21:04] <greatgatsby> 'sudo -i' from any directory will land me in /root
[21:05] <hans__> yeah i guess, but "sudo su" works fine too
[21:05] <hans__> (and is portable)
[21:05] <GillaGal> oerheks, lol no no. The actual maximize window.
[21:07] <oerheks> here F11 maximize the current/focused window
[21:07] <oerheks> not sure what you understand by windows..
[21:08] <Guest74206> can anyone help me with ubuntu dd terminal commands as i keep using dd to get a bin image to my usb but keeps saying no such file or directory
[21:09] <hans__> Guest74206, sure, but you'd probably be more likely to get help at ##linux (well, right now, i'll probably be able and willing to help you, but statistically speaking)
[21:10] <Guest74206> shall i move over to linux or are you available
[21:10] <hans__> i don't really care, anyone else does?
[21:11] <hans__> bleh, just shoot
[21:11] <hans__> s/shoot/ask
[21:11] <Guest74206> im using the dd if=filename /dev/sdb1 command but keeps saying no such file or directory
[21:12] <GillaGal> oerheks, Ummmm... no. You're confusing the full screen option in a browser with the full screen (max) desktop window which by default in 18.04 sits below the activity bar..
[21:12] <hggdh> Guest74206: dd if=filename of=/dev/whatever
[21:12] <hans__> Guest74206, can you please run /nic whatever
[21:12] <hans__> /nick whatever
[21:12] <hans__> *
[21:14] <Guest74206> no still saying no file or directory
[21:14] <hans__> (ps, in addition to adding of=   , you might get better speed if you also add bs=10M  , like dd if=filename of=/dev/whatever bs=10M          )
[21:14] <Guest74206> whats the command just replace sdb1 with whatever
[21:14] <hans__> please run /nick whatever    in your irc client
[21:15] <hans__> when i try to autocomplete Guest, i get this in response https://i.imgur.com/LOkwQ8W.png
[21:16] <Guest74206> did it work
[21:16] <hans__> nope, your nickname did not change :(
[21:16] <hans__> anyway, namei -l /dev/sdb1
[21:16] <hans__> ah
[21:16] <hans__> namei -l /dev/sdb1 | pastebinit
[21:20] <Guest74206> https://pastebin.com/32ufSgiE
[21:21] <Guest74206> hans did you get it
[21:21] <hans__> yeah, sdb1 does not exist
[21:21] <hans__> err
[21:21] <hans__> sd1 does not exist
[21:22] <Guest74206> how do you find out what it is
[21:22] <hans__> is the problem that you've just been writing sd1 instead of sda1 ?
[21:22] <hans__> err, sdb1
[21:22] <hans__> bleh
[21:22] <hans__> now i'm doing it too
[21:22] <Guest74206> haha
[21:22] <hans__> anyway, what is your dd command?
[21:23] <Guest74206> "sudo dd if=cloudready-free-66.4.25-64-bit.bin of=/dev/sdb1 bs=4M"
[21:23] <hans__> ok, run namei -l /dev/sdb1 | pastebinit
[21:23] <_Aeden_> The taskbar of lubuntu is so ugly and not customizable
[21:24] <hans__> btw, pastebinit is a real command, returning an url
[21:24] <hans__> (unless you need to run `apt install pastebinit`  first)
[21:24] <hans__> _Aeden_, i'd imagine it has a "themes" manager somewhere
[21:25] <hans__> (idk tho, i run Xubuntu when i need lightweight+pretty,  i only run Lubuntu when i need super-lightweight and don't care)
[21:25] <Guest74206> confirm when youv read https://pastebin.com/AM0EwR3a
[21:25] <hans__> stat cloudready-free-66.4.25-64-bit.bin | pastebinit
[21:26] <Guest74206> whats that ?
[21:26] <hans__> dunno, that's the file you're trying to write to sdb1
[21:26] <hans__> right?
[21:26] <Guest74206> yeah but what do you want me to do
[21:26] <hggdh> Guest74206: in general, when you are chatting with a specific user, it is a very good idea to add the user's nick in the sentence. Like ḧasn__ confirm when blah blah"
[21:27] <oerheks> GillaGal, you can define a shortkey to that, standard there is none in systemsettings . keyboard
[21:27] <_Aeden_> hans__, the theme manager "openbox" just change the windows' borders, not the taskbar
[21:27] <hans__> hggdh, in my defense, https://i.imgur.com/YzGIKR4.png
[21:27] <hggdh> hans__: I understand your IRC client does not help much :-)
[21:28] <hans__> Guest74206, you may have a permissions issue, i'm trying to find it
[21:28] <Guest74206> whats the command to list usb devices in terminal?
[21:29] <hggdh> Guest74206: if you want to see all USB devices, lsusb
 much like namei -l , stat would print ownership and permissions of the file
[21:29] <_Aeden_> So because of noboby use Lubuntu, I'll install a dock to remove this uncustomizable taskbar
[21:30] <hans__> _Aeden_, isn't there a #lubuntu chanel, full of people who use Lubuntu?
 how about the device name ie. dev/sdb
[21:31] <_Aeden_> hans__, maybe, I take a look hoping that there is a way to fix this ugly taskbar
[21:31] <hggdh> Guest74206: I do not know how your system is built (which disk is what), so I cannot comment. But I do hope you understand that 'dd' will *replace* whatever is at the target device with the image of the input file
[21:31] <hans__> btw, speaking of Lubuntu, i don't really like the lxqt thingy... their 1 job is to be "even more lightweight than XFCE", cus they sure ain't any prettier, so... will they still be lighter than XFCE, even when ported to QT?
[21:32] <Guest74206> what about if i give someone from here remote acsess so they can do it for me
[21:33] <hggdh> Guest74206: don't. I repeat, DO NOT *EVER* give an unknown someone access to your computer.
[21:33] <Guest74206> i dont really have any valauble info on here will that matter
[21:33] <hans__> Guest74206, might as well PM me, i'm bored and have free time, just.. know the security implications (i won't do anything malicious, but i have no of proving that, and you'll have no good way of proving that i didn't)
[21:34] <_Aeden_> hans__, I like the old version of gnome with class desktop, and I also like flat dark theme
[21:34] <Guest74206> ok sure i will
[21:34] <_Aeden_> classic*
[21:34] <Guest74206> how do i pm you
[21:34] <hans__> /pm hans__ test    ? i guess
[21:35] <hans__> try writing /pm hans__ test
[21:35] <hggdh> Guest74206: /query hans__ will open a private chat with hans__
[21:36] <Guest74206> says no such nickname channel
[21:36] <hans__> hmm, try hans_henrik
[21:37] <Hans_Henrik> try now
[21:37] <Hans_Henrik> /query Hans_Henrik
[21:38] <Guest74206> i have done it
[21:38] <Guest74206> says no such nickname
[21:38] <Hans_Henrik> weird
[21:38] <Hans_Henrik> maybe it's the underscores?
[21:38] <hanshenrik> try  now, no underscores
[21:39] <oerheks> keep on changing !
[21:39] <hanshenrik> ah, now it worked, got ur message. (guess something with your keyboard setup is messed up. maybe you generate a weird unicode underscore or something?)
[21:41] <hanshenrik> oerheks, well, it worked, he was able to message me after i removed the underscores from my name
[21:41] <Guest74206> how do i change from a guest
[21:41] <hanshenrik> /nick not_a_guest
[21:42] <hanshenrik> err, /nick NotAGuest
[21:42] <hggdh> hanshenrik: Guest74206 please keep on in the private chat, not here
[21:48] <jnewt> lightdm is broken.   i can log in via command line, startx cinnamon (or probably whatever other de).  and it's good.  but if i log in via lightdm it scrambles my screen and then kicks me back to the command line.
[21:54] <RetardedOnion> hello. i am trying to run a ubuntu 14 chroot under arch via debootstrap. when installing the chroot i get problems with installing kbd.  i cant fix it via apt install -f because /bin/loadkeys.dpkg-new doesnt exist. is this the right channel to ask for support? my command to install the choot was debootstrap  --no-check-gpg  xenial /var/chroot/ubuntu http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[21:54] <tomreyn> jnewt: which ubuntu version is this? what does /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log say about it? which graphic card do you have there?
[21:56] <jnewt> 18.04, nvidia quadro m2000, /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log doesn't exist
[21:57] <tomreyn> RetardedOnion: 'xenial' is the codename for ubuntu 16.04, there is no "ubuntu 14". what are the 'problems with installing kdb'? why don't you check gpg signatures?
[21:59] <RetardedOnion> tomreyn: sorry. i dont care if it is 14 or 16. i tried both with the same results. i didnt check results because i thought id have to import the signatures into my main system
[22:01] <tomreyn> jnewt: i'm afraid i can't help then
[22:01] <jnewt> because of the missing log file?
[22:02] <tomreyn> RetardedOnion: ok, but there is neither "ubuntu 14" nor "ubuntu 16". based on the deboostrap command you posted you tried to install ubuntu 16.04 (LTS).
[22:03] <tomreyn> RetardedOnion:i think gpg is downloaded as part of the debootstrap installation, but am not really sure about it.
[22:03] <RetardedOnion> tomreyn: that is fine. i am going with 16.04 lts.  did install without the gpg ignore flag. same issue.
[22:04] <tomreyn> RetardedOnion: seeing your error messages would maybe help us help you.
[22:04] <tomreyn> or the entire output, if its not too much
[22:04] <tomreyn> !paste | RetardedOnion
[22:04] <RetardedOnion> one sec
[22:05] <tomreyn> jnewt: no, i just lack experience with nvidia prima
[22:05] <tomreyn> *prime
[22:05] <oerheks> jnewt, i read in ##linux: jnewt> i've still got the lightdm greeter at boot.   remove that too?
[22:05] <oerheks> what are you doing?
[22:05] <jnewt> upgrade to 18.04 broke nearly everything oerheks.   working my way back instead of just blowing everything out and starting over.
[22:06] <jnewt> it's definitely helping me to understand how stuff is working
[22:06] <jnewt> but then i get stuck and the error messages aren't always helpful
[22:07] <oerheks> if you removed those 3 desktops, i would reinstall ubuntu-desktop, as terminal command or whole disk. adding a desktop is fun, removing one is amazing
[22:08] <oerheks> gdm/ddm/lightdm ..
[22:08] <RetardedOnion> tomreyn: command 2>&1 | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw is just a bit easier.  https://ptpb.pw/Kjyi and this is the log  https://ptpb.pw/9Rqo
[22:08] <jnewt> oerheks, i can startx cinnamon without issue.  i just can't get the greater / login / logout working
[22:09] <oerheks> that could be fixed, sudo systemctl set-default graphical.target # or back to tty login: sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target
[22:10] <jnewt> ok, i have a lightdm log now.   one CRITICAL: session_real_run: assertion 'session->priv->argv != NULL' failed
[22:11] <jnewt> i think you need to be the guy who wrote the code to understand what to do about that.
[22:12] <stormchas2000> i am thinking the same thing, I would remove and retry. and see if it comes back up
[22:14] <jnewt> i removed it once and reinstalled, and did the dpkg-reconfigure lightdm and still same.  it recognizes a bad password vs a good one now, but doesn't know how to kick me into the de i guess
[22:14] <tomreyn> RetardedOnion: where did you get debootstrap?
[22:15] <RetardedOnion> tomreyn: https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/debootstrap.git
[22:16] <tomreyn> RetardedOnion: okay i guess it doesn't get much newer than this. the ubuntu ones might have patches,though, but i guess those would not explain failures with just two or three packages.
[22:17] <tomreyn> RetardedOnion: you could still give it a try, if you have enough bandwidth
[22:18] <RetardedOnion> tomreyn:  where do i get the source files? is there a git? the ubuntu website isnt really suited for me i guess
[22:20] <hanshenrik> what is the "Basic Ubuntu Server" package from the mini.iso installer?
[22:21] <tomreyn> RetardedOnion: those are the ones for 18.04 'bionic' https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/bionic-updates/debootstrap
[22:21] <hanshenrik> nvm, found it
[22:23] <hanshenrik> ok, i take that back, i don't know
[22:24] <hanshenrik> a google search suggest i can get the answer by writing "tasksel --task-packages server"  , but it just responds with "server^"
[22:25] <tomreyn> RetardedOnion: looking at the changelog, i don't think using ubuntu's deboostrap will make much of a difference.
[22:26] <RetardedOnion> tomreyn: i dont know why makedev is on arch or why this would be in a makefile anyways. so i cannot even build it here
[22:26] <RetardedOnion> s/is/isn't
[22:26] <jnewt> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gyJ59kfF2x/
[22:27] <RetardedOnion> i would be building it in a chroot though. ha.
[22:27] <jnewt> that's where i think the error is logged.  that is my ~/.xsession-errors files
[22:27] <tomreyn> hanshenrik: you can 'apt install ubuntu-server' once your installation is complete
[22:29] <gt8ost4l> bashing-om: what editor do you use to program?
[22:30] <arooni> question: how come i see available updates in ubuntus software center; but when i run sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; via the command line ; nothing updates?  18.04 if it matters
[22:32] <BlackDalek> does anyone know how to get ubuntu 16.04 installed on an old 2006 mac mini? Install CD won't boot.
[22:34] <RetardedOnion> BlackDalek: those things have 32bit efi. i know it is possible to install a gnu/linux on there. will have a quick look for a guide
[22:34] <Daekdroom> Is a 2006 Mac even an Intel machine? Or are those still PowerPC?
[22:34] <Daekdroom> He has to get the right architecture ISO.
[22:35] <RetardedOnion> core duo
[22:35] <Daekdroom> Right..
[22:35] <Daekdroom> But indeed 32 bit EFI then
[22:36] <RetardedOnion> the cpu is 32 bit as well, am i right?
[22:38] <RetardedOnion> BlackDalek: get a 32bit install iso, find yourself a bootia32.efi and drop it into the esp of the iso, then burn it.
[22:45] <BlackDalek> RetardedOnion, yes, it uses 32-bit EFI. the CPU is a 1.5G Intel Core Solo
[22:46] <ArthurM> Hello
[22:46] <RetardedOnion> BlackDalek: i know. just as i said:  get a 32bit install iso, find yourself a bootia32.efi and drop it into the esp of the iso, then burn it.
[22:47] <BlackDalek> RetardedOnion, where do I find this bootia32.efi and what is "the esp" of the iso?
[22:50] <RetardedOnion> BlackDalek: i know recent grub versions can install grub via --target=i386-efi. so maybe find yourself a different computer where you can create this file via  sudo grub-install --target=i386-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi --bootloader-id=GRUBi --recheck and copy it into the iso. the esp is in /boot/efi on basically every system ever, but i dont know about ubuntu in this regard. so maybe someone else can correct me
[22:53] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuOnMacMini
[22:53] <oerheks> (spoileralert)
[22:56] <oerheks> or maybe fun, 64 bit on that mac mini 2006.. xorriso http://coderazzi.net/linux/macmini2006/macmini.htm
[22:56] <oerheks> you might be able to install a 64 bit desktop + 64 bit chrome too
[22:57] <oerheks> = youtube
[22:57] <RetardedOnion> oerheks: not without emulation. 32bit efi =/= 32bit cpu
[22:57] <oerheks> oh, not a 64 bit intel ..?
[22:57] <RetardedOnion> oerheks: core solo/duo are 32 bit.
[22:57] <oerheks> ai,..
[22:57] <RetardedOnion> you can boot a 64 bit system with a 32 bit efi
[22:58] <oerheks> yes, that is why i shared
[22:58] <oerheks> so that would be mac min 2..
[22:58] <RetardedOnion> the cpu is 32 bit only
[23:03] <Mead> your still using a 32bit cpu?
[23:03] <RetardedOnion> its a single core as well.
[23:04] <oerheks> no, t2400 is duo
[23:05] <RetardedOnion> sometimes 32 bit is needed. they are way faster in some cases than 64 bit. i doubt he is one guy that needs it because he is asking for ubuntu support. i expect someone like that to at least do lfs.
[23:05] <Mead> dang, you can probably drive around on trash day and find a better computer
[23:05] <RetardedOnion> oerheks: he said 20 minutes ago: RetardedOnion, yes, it uses 32-bit EFI. the CPU is a 1.5G Intel Core Solo
[23:06] <oerheks> mac mini with solo core.. that is new to me.
[23:07] <Mead> NM that is a laptop chip, those tend to get broken or handed down to children instead of retired in working condition.
[23:08] <oerheks> use the casing for a rasp-pi :-D
[23:08] <RetardedOnion> oerheks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_Mini#2nd_generation:_Intel-based_Mac_mini
[23:11] <RetardedOnion> https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Installing-Mac-mini-Model-A1176-Core-2-Duo-Processor/1178/1 says that you can install t7xx cpus. so a t7700 for 5-6 dollars or something would be a great choice BlackDalek
[23:16] <gt8ost4l> Bashing-om, what editor do you use?
[23:18] <arooni> question: how come i see available updates in ubuntus software center; but when i run sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; via the command line ; nothing updates?  18.04 if it matters
[23:19] <RetardedOnion> arooni: can you install snaps via the software center? i dont think snaps can be updated via apt
[23:19] <arooni> RetardedOnion: ah so what i was seeing were snaps?
[23:19] <RetardedOnion> arooni: i dont know. i dont actually use ubuntu. its just a guess
[23:19] <arooni> RetardedOnion: a good guess; too bad i updated everything; next time ill try snap refresh
[23:21] <RetardedOnion> arooni: if you have a bit of an idea about gnu you can have a read here http://kmkeen.com/maintainers-matter/index.html
[23:27] <RetardedOnion> oh and about vlc: Stealing MPlayer's libraries and statically compiling them has never been so much fun! i think i now have brought up enough reasons to be banned from this channel?
[23:28] <hans_> running `sudo apt install amdgpu-pro` ends with > /var/lib/dkms/amdgpu/18.20-606296/build/amd/amdkfd/kfd_doorbell.c:226:3: error: implicit declaration of function ‘writeq’; did you mean ‘writel’? [-Werror=implicit-function-declaration]
[23:42] <oerheks> didn't know there was a deb package, amdgpu-pro
[23:54] <Mead> ok... stange situation here... I want to run my lubuntu install from a SD card,  bios won't let me do it.  I have an old (slow) and small (2gigs) thumb drive I'd like to install a boot loader to.  I just tried PLOP but it doesn't seem to support SD cards out of the box, suggestions for a bootloader I can install from (gasp) windows to the USB stick on a different machine than it's intended
[23:54] <Mead> target?