[12:48] <blanky> anyone here know about packaging?
[12:49] <blanky> er, I made a debian package but my friend said to "Drop dependency on libc6 >= 2.4-1 down to something more reasonable", he has 2.3.6, how can I change this?
[12:50] <Fujitsu> You would need to rebuild it on a system with an older version of glibc.
[12:50] <blanky> Fujitsu: seriously?! I can't do it on my system in any way?
[12:51] <blanky> Fujitsu: I can't install an older version and build it with that
[12:51] <Fujitsu> YOu could create a chroot of a previous Ubuntu release that uses glibc 2.3.
[12:51] <Fujitsu> But having multiple libc6s is unlikely to be a good idea at all.
[12:51] <Fujitsu> So a chroot is the best idea.
[12:52] <blanky> Fujitsu: So, my package (It's a tiny C program that just does basic network stuff) won't run on his older version at all?
[12:52] <blanky> I MUST rebuild?
[12:53] <cjwatson> it depends, but it's certainly entirely possible that *when built with the new libc6* it requires the new libc6
[12:53] <Fujitsu> libc6 isn't backward-compatible, as far as I know, hence the dependency.
[12:53] <Fujitsu> What cjwatson said.
[12:53] <cjwatson> that's the reason that automated dependency is there - because binaries built with the newer library can require it
[12:53] <cjwatson> it actually depends on the exact versioned symbols they use, but our dependency generation isn't fine-grained enough to detect that at the moment
[12:53] <blanky> oh okay
[12:53] <blanky> okay thanks guys, so what do you suggest I do (If you don't mind giving in input)
[12:53] <cjwatson> it's generally a very, very bad idea for source packages to override it, even so
[12:54] <cjwatson> blanky: I entirely agree with Fujitsu; build it in a chroot
[12:54] <cjwatson> it shouldn't take long to set one up using debootstrap
[12:54] <blanky> cjwatson: thanks. I'm new to package building (This one's my first) and so I'm not really sure what that means, so just read up on chroot right? Or something in specific
[12:54] <blanky> oh okay, debootstrap
[12:54] <cjwatson> sudo apt-get install debootstrap; man debootstrap; man chroot
[12:54] <blanky> thanks cjwatson
[12:54] <cjwatson> you're welcome
[12:55] <wick2o> this may be the wrong place to ask, but anyone know where i might get some help rebuilding an install cd?
[12:55] <wick2o> i have apt-get download source and modifed the packages in the ubuntu-meta-standard
[12:56] <cjwatson> wick2o: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[12:56] <wick2o> repackaged it, created my own keyring
[12:56] <wick2o> and then fixed the md5sum
[12:56] <wick2o> but when i try and install from my new cd debconf tells me the keyring and other package i modified was corrupt
[12:56] <wick2o> cjwatson: been there and done that
[12:57] <cjwatson> sounds like you didn't modify the Packages and Release and Release.gpg files correctly
[12:57] <cjwatson> though I cannot be any more accurate without an exact (not paraphrased) error message
[12:58] <wick2o> ummm, my impression was that was only needed when adding an "extras" repos
[12:58] <wick2o> but now that i think of it you could be right
[12:58] <wick2o> if Packages references a MD5 or a file size
[12:58] <cjwatson> if you're modifying any packages, you must change the index files to reflect that
[12:58] <cjwatson> Packages does
[12:58] <cjwatson> (both)
[01:00] <wick2o> ahh
[01:01] <jdub> cjwatson: intersting changes to desktop depends/recommends
[01:01] <cjwatson> most of which were mdz's
[01:01] <cjwatson> I agree though, and it's in response to consistent review feedback
[01:01] <jdub> mmm, something written up about those, or...?
[01:02] <cjwatson> bzr log says:
[01:02] <cjwatson>   Mark more desktop entries as recommended.  Our guiding philosophy should be
[01:02] <cjwatson>   that the user should be able to remove/replace default applications and
[01:02] <cjwatson>   documentation as they wish without disturbing the metapackage, while ensuring
[01:02] <cjwatson>   that essential infrastructure is implied by the metapackage
[01:02] <jdub> mmm
[01:02] <jdub> golden rule stuff
[01:02] <cjwatson> yeah
[01:02] <jdub> though still have the upgrade problem
[01:03] <cjwatson> fortunately we have update-manager now which should be able to deal with most of that for us
[01:03] <cjwatson> probably worth checking that it DTRT here
[01:03] <mdz> jdub: which upgrade problem?
[01:03] <cjwatson> mdz: installing new recommends, I'm guessing
[01:03] <jdub> mdz: recommends being installed on metapackage upgrade
[01:03] <cjwatson> apt-get defaults to installing recommends nowadays
[01:03] <jdub> but if update-manager handles it, that's pretty sweet
[01:03] <cjwatson> has done for some time
[01:03] <mdz> jdub: yes, even apt does that now
[01:03] <nrdb> I have a Matrox G400 graphics card, using the mga driver, Medion 19" MD1998LM monitor, and ubuntu 6.10 wont work with it.  It insists on try to drive it with a HF:23.55 and a VF:21.99 which is way out of range, I tried to change this in the xorg.conf file but no matter what I did it didn't change the frequencies, I tried the LiveCD, a upgrade from 6.06 (a copy), and a freash alternate CD install.
[01:04] <mdz> since edgy
[01:04] <mdz> jdub: it's selectively enabled for each section of the archive known to have sane recommends
[01:04] <jdub> mdz: point being that if i remove landscape and upgrade ubuntu-desktop, i get landscape
[01:04] <mdz> jdub: oh, you do?  if so, that's a bug
[01:05] <tepsipakki> nrdb: file a bug on xserver-xorg-video-mga
[01:05] <jdub> unless that's been fixed recently
[01:05] <jdong> oh speaking of update manager, it should keep on attempting upgrade/ --configure -a /-f install
[01:05] <jdong> until num_to_upgrade[pass]  == num[pass-1]
[01:05] <nrdb> tepsipakki: ok
[01:05] <jdong> I've helped several people fix broken upgrades where all that was needed was 2 more dist-upgrade passes
[01:06] <tepsipakki> nrdb: look for duplicates first ;)
[01:06] <mdz> jdong: I'm sure mvo would be interested to see a bug report with the logs
[01:06] <mdz> that's not supposed to happen
[01:06] <tepsipakki> nrdb: you could also try Feisty Herd5 if it works
[01:06] <mdz> it does try to complete the upgrade even if something fails now, iirc
[01:06] <jdong> mdz: :( it happend on both my edgy->feisty upgrades. Subprocess returned error code 1 on first run, no error on 2nd run
[01:06] <LaserJock> cjwatson: hmm, reading enabling-additional-components, does Herd5 have Universe/Multiverse enabled by default then?
[01:06] <jdong> and the borkage happened on different packages too
[01:07] <mdz> update-manager now uses apport so it can automagically report bugs with logs if the upgrade fails
[01:08] <jdong> mdz: wow! that's nice, didn't know that
[01:08] <mdz> jdong: the real errors are earlier in the logs
[01:08] <jdong> mdz: I know that, but I couldn't find any
[01:08] <mdz> jdong: "subprocess returned error code 1" means "something went wrong earlier, look back"
[01:08] <jdong> mdz: I scrolled back a good page for any relevante errors
[01:08] <jdong> mdz: but it seems like whatever command failed did so silently
[01:08] <mdz> jdong: we can probably figure it out given the logs; please don't treat it as a lost cause
[01:09] <jdong> mdz: if I can find time to restore an edgy backup and send it thru an upgrade, I definitely will
[01:09] <cjwatson> LaserJock: it's meant to have, although the live CD's sources.list may not have been updated
[01:09] <cjwatson> LaserJock: (if so, that deserves a milestoned-for-beta bug ...)
[01:09] <mdz> jdong: thanks. that certainly doesn't happen when upgrading a default install or for everyone
[01:10] <mdz> cjwatson: is it correct for the installed system?
[01:10] <nrdb> tepsipakki: how stable is the herd5 CD ?
[01:10] <jdong> mdz: right... I can bet my systems are fairly prolific in terms of installed packages compared to others
[01:11] <mdz> mvo is working on a test which tries to upgrade even with most of universe installed
[01:12] <tepsipakki> nrdb: stable enough for you to try if it works or not :)
[01:12] <mdz> though it's been tricky since many packages in universe don't install correctly
[01:12] <jdong> cool
[01:12] <nrdb> tepsipakki: I will down load and see.
[01:12] <cjwatson> mdz: I do need to [have someone]  check, but I'm reasonably sure it should be; ubiquity runs apt-setup to do that job
[01:12] <tepsipakki> nrdb: live-session is enough, no need to install
[01:13] <nrdb> tepsipakki: ok, if it doesn't work I will see about filling a bug.  maybe I can help in getting it worked out.  tests etc.
[01:14] <tepsipakki> nrdb: sure
[01:16] <nrdb> I have another thing on my wish list, could the update-manager be setup so I can limit the bandwidth it uses, so it doesn't slow my internet connection down to a crawl when updating ?
[01:25] <runixd> hello, why is there non-executable stack in ubuntu 7 and how do I turn it off ?
[01:34] <macd> runixd, are you familiar with stackguard?
[01:37] <runixd> macd, the canary value ?
[01:37] <macd> well the ubuntu kernel is compiled with --enable-stackguard-randomization
[01:37] <macd> so to "turn" it off, you need to build a kernel without it
[01:37] <runixd> I see, my only option is recompile then
[01:38] <macd> yes, but its fairly straightforward and easy
[01:38] <runixd> thanks macd, I was looking all over proc
[01:38] <macd> use apt to download the sources, then compile as usual with those, I say use apt b/c you get the upstream kernel source + ubuntu patches.
[01:40] <runixd> macd, if you know, what is the overhead of something like stack guard ?
[01:40] <macd> its well worth having it lets put it that way.
[01:41] <macd> its basic operation is to randomize allocations rather than the ole tired and true "stack" em up.
[01:41] <runixd> well, in my case I actually really have to not have it, but I assume it would be much faster than alternatives
[01:41] <macd> its believed to be the better of its kind, I also don't see the need on a box that might never see the internet or offer any internet facing services
[01:42] <macd> I think its better than something like propolice
[01:43] <runixd> well, both can still be broken, imo either should be an option
[01:44] <nrdb> tepsipakki: downloading herd5 now 10 1/2 hours to go
[01:44] <macd> indeed, stackgaurd does offer all 3 whereas propolice does not do random xor (to my knowledge)
[01:44] <macd> but imho, nothing can cure sloppy code ;)
[01:46] <macd> Im not sure how you would defeat random xor btw, so if you know a secret you should let someone know :D
[01:52] <runixd> hehehe :)
[01:52] <runixd> you try again again and again
[01:52] <runixd> :D
[01:52] <blanky> Hey what package do I need for X11/Xlib.h
[01:52] <runixd> are you going to amsterdam macd ?
[01:53] <runixd> for bh europe
[01:53] <macd> its a possibility, Id love to put some faces with the names
[01:53] <macd> I usually do bh/toor in the US
[01:53] <macd> youd know who I was if I told you ;)
[01:53] <runixd> hmm :)
[01:54] <runixd> so you are in us
[01:54] <macd> atm, yes
[01:55] <runixd> hmm, didn't expect someone who'd be interested in this in #ubuntu-devel
[01:55] <LaserJock> blanky: usually packages.ubuntu.com is helpful for those questions
[01:55] <macd> people play both sides of the field
[01:55] <blanky> LaserJock: thanks
[01:55] <runixd> :)
[01:57] <macd> bh dc-2007 day2 1500-till should help you ;)
[01:58] <macd> anywho you cant wear your greyhat proudly without once wearing a black one, you know they fade in the sun :)
[02:00] <runixd> :D
[02:07] <Chipzz> hrrrrm
[02:07] <Chipzz> is there a way to install a package without installing its recommends?
[02:07] <crimsun> using...?
[02:08] <crimsun> (e.g., you'd use aptitude -R  )
[02:08] <Chipzz> apt-get
[02:09] <crimsun> -o APT::Install-Recommends=false
[02:09] <crimsun> or I suppose --no-install-recommends
[02:09] <blanky> hey you guys know, where in /proc/acpi it has the file with the temperature?
[02:10] <Chipzz> will try in a sec, apt is busy atm :)
[02:11] <jdong> blanky: some where in thermal_zone
[02:11] <jdong> blanky: acpi -V will display that too
[02:11] <blanky> thanks
[02:14] <Chipzz> crimsun: trying to use that, doesn't appear to work
[02:14] <crimsun> Chipzz: hmm, that's what the changelog mentions, at least.
[02:14] <Chipzz> "apt-get install --no-install-recommends ubuntu-desktop" insists on installing openoffice
[02:15] <Chipzz> but I just do not want that piece of **** installed
[02:15] <crimsun> tried placing apt-get --no-install-recommends install ?
[02:15] <Chipzz> same thing
[02:15] <crimsun> tried the config string syntax, then?
[02:16] <Chipzz> jups
[02:16] <Chipzz> but not the config string before the install
[02:16] <Chipzz> same thing
[02:16] <Chipzz> crimsun: whatever, I can live without it :)
[02:19] <Chipzz> crimsun: thx for the help anyway :)
[02:28] <greff> What does Build-Depends: debhelper (>> 3.0.0) mean?
[02:28] <greff> I understand >=, but what does >> mean?
[02:33] <blanky> greff: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html
[02:36] <bddebian> mjg59: ping (laptop-mode) ?
[02:36] <jdong_> bddebian, try contentless ping, it defeats their defense mechanism :D
[02:36] <jdong_> j/k
[02:49] <bddebian> I think I just need Hobbsee's pointy stick :)
[02:49] <jdong> try this ping phrase:
[02:50] <mjg59> bddebian: It's 2AM - I'm going to bed now
[02:50] <jdong> bddebian, I'm going to upload beryl into universe if it's ok kthxbye
[02:50] <jdong> mjg59, nighty night (btw that's ideal calc homework hour!)
[02:50] <mjg59> Dude, I really do not have homework nowadays
[02:51] <bddebian> Gnight mjg59
[08:17] <jdong_> bhale_: ping (Beagle tends to create gigantic logfiles... just cleared 600MB of logs after first using beagle two days ago)
[09:15] <giangy> 'morning
[10:15] <clust> Hi, I work on a Ubuntu based USB distro for servers with web interface for network settings. What is your suggestion: Use the web interface to set the ubuntu network config files or build independent scripts for system configuration and make the web interface distribution independent?
[10:19] <poningru> waah?
[10:20] <poningru> have you looked into puppet?
[10:20] <mdke> poningru: saw your message in -doc overnight - please check for bugs and file them if none are there!
[10:20] <poningru> mdke: yes sir
[10:20] <mdke> :)
[10:21] <poningru> :)
[10:22] <_ion> I guess pitti won't be around until next week. :-( pe194808 -!- pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti]  has quit ["have a nice weekend"]
[10:22] <_ion> I have a patch for restricted-manager.
[10:28] <afflux> is there any special reason why adept now offers the upgrade to feisty?
[10:28] <afflux> (as in bug 91065)
[10:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 91065 in adept "Adept wants to upgrade to feisty 7.04" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91065
[10:41] <clust> poningru: I am not sure, that puppet is exactly what I need,  install 8MB on the USB key to set the network preferences is not acceptable for me. I m trying to mimize the distros size to fit in 128MB.
[10:42] <clust> But it is a nice project ;)
[10:53] <_ion> Hi pitti
[10:54] <pitti> hey all
[10:54] <pitti> morning _ion
[10:55] <_ion> pitti: I changed restricted-manager to look at hardware identification patterns modinfo already provides and compare them to what sysfs says about connected hardware.
[10:55] <_ion> No need to execute lspci anymore, or list PCI IDs inside code.
[10:55] <pitti> _ion: that sounds awesome!
[10:55] <Fujitsu> Somebody might urgently want to take a look at why Adept is wanting to upgrade to 7.04...
[10:56] <pitti> Riddell: ^ that's due to your adept edgy-proposed upload, I figure
[10:56] <Fujitsu> Ahah.
[10:57] <Fujitsu> Might be advisable to fix that (although people shouldn't really be installing everything from edgy-proposed without testing).
[10:57] <pitti> still, that's wrong
[10:57] <Fujitsu> Isn't it meant to check a file on archive.ubuntu.com?
[10:58] <crimsun> pitti: apologies for pinging when you're off the clock, but I was wondering if you would take a look sometime next week at the vlc FTBFSes (on all arches, e.g., https://beta.launchpad.net/+builds/+build/309060 ) for pkgmaintainermangler
[10:59] <pitti> crimsun: that looks familiar; which maintainer address did you use?
[10:59] <crimsun> Fujitsu and I were discussing it in -motu, and it's likely due to the fact that vlc uses Maintainer: MOTU Media Team<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:59] <Fujitsu> s/likely/almost definite/
[10:59] <pitti> crimsun: yesterday I taught pkgbinarymangler not to choke on @kubuntu.org addresses
[10:59] <pitti> hmm
[10:59] <Fujitsu> pitti: How about not choking if Original-Maintainer exists?
[10:59] <pitti> it requires an ubuntuish address ATM
[11:00] <Fujitsu> pitti: That's not an option in this case.
[11:00] <pitti> Fujitsu: I have to look at this; could one of you please file a bug against pkgbinarymangler?
[11:00] <crimsun> I can do that, thanks
[11:01] <Fujitsu> Removing line 64 would solve the issue.
[11:01] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[11:01] <Fujitsu> No.
[11:01] <Fujitsu> Changing it to return 0.
[11:02] <_ion> Btw, perhaps http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/scripts/bzrdc and http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/software/bzr-commit should be merged to a single script. :-)
[11:05] <pitti> _ion: yestrerday I discovered debcommit in devscripts
[11:05] <pitti> _ion: that should be the eventual thing to use :)
[11:05] <_ion> Ah, debcommit looks nice
[11:09] <crimsun> pitti: wishlisted #91086; if it's suitable for feisty to simply just use @ubuntu.com / @kubuntu.org Maintainer email addresses, I'm happy to do that
[11:09] <pitti> crimsun: oh, I'm all for making pkgmaintainermangler more liberal
[11:10] <pitti> but it's certainly a valid workaround to use an ubuntu address for now
[11:11] <crimsun> in the interest of getting that CVE fixed, I'm going to work around it presently
[11:11] <Fujitsu> crimsun: It might be nice to get an official list for motumedia.
[11:17] <discord> I'm having trouble setting an environment variable using /etc/environment does anybody have any suggestions on how i can perminantly set a java classpath environment variable in ubuntu?
[11:19] <pitti> _ion: btw, could you please register your r-m branch in LP? makes it much easier to find and follow
[11:19] <ajmitch> hi pitti
[11:19] <pitti> hey ajmitch
[11:20] <_ion> pitti: Actually it's registered, but after you merged my first change, i changed its status to 'Merged' and forgot to change it back to 'Development' when i did new commits.
[11:20] <pitti> ah
[11:20] <pitti> thanks
[11:20] <_ion> Now it's visible again at https://code.launchpad.net/restricted-manager
[11:24] <pitti> argh, yay for descriptive names on https://code.beta.launchpad.net/bughelper
[12:31] <_ion> pitti: I added identification patterns for ipw3945 and ath_hal to my branch.
[12:32] <pitti> _ion: nothing can stop you now :)
[01:36] <nrd1> hi I have just downloaded and run the fiesty version 5 livecd, I am using a matrox video card, the livecd decided to use the 'vesa' driver not the 'mga' driver is it should, this limit the max resolution to 800x600 :(
[01:37] <nrd1> at least fiesty works ubuntu 6.10 doesn't at all.
[01:41] <pitti> *nnng* feisty, not fiesty! *nng* :)
[01:41] <mc44> fisty!
[01:43] <pitti> nrd1: could you please file a bug against 'xorg' with some hardware data? (output of 'lspci' and 'dmidecode'
[01:44] <nrd1> pitti: ok
[01:46] <Fujitsu> pitti: How do I go about getting a universe security update uploaded?
[01:46] <pitti> Fujitsu: open a security bug for it and attach a debdiff
[01:47] <pitti> the security flag will make it appear on keescook's and my radar
[01:47] <Fujitsu> Ah, both of those are already done.
[01:47] <Fujitsu> Thanks.
[01:59] <AlinuxOS> pitti, hello ! ;)
[01:59] <pitti> hi AlinuxOS
[01:59] <AlinuxOS> pitti, is there some feisty testing packs ? Mozilla locales-packs ?
[02:00] <AlinuxOS> some your experimental repositories ? :)
[02:00] <pitti> not yet for <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:00] <AlinuxOS> ;)
[02:00] <AlinuxOS> hehe ok...just asked ! :P
[02:28] <nrd1> pitti: I have sent in a bug report.
[02:45] <_ion> pitti: I scraped the lists of specific cards supported by nvidia and nvidia_legacy from the nvidia website and overrode the patterns reported by the modules (basically "all graphics adapters by nVidia") with them. Now nvidia_legacy isn't listed anymore because my card is only supported by the nvidia driver. :-) I didn't commit the change yet, but will push soon.
[02:46] <pitti> _ion: cool! I was looking for such a list, but didn't find one, and instead I found out that it in fact changes from release to release
[02:46] <pitti> _ion: thus, how can you make sure that your overriding of the modules' lists will be correct for future releases?
[02:46] <_ion> pitti: Yeah, the scrape script is included. It needs to be run whenever the driver version(s) in l-r-m change.
[02:46] <pitti> _ion: can this be integrated to happen dynamically?
[02:47] <pitti> or does it need manual intervention?
[02:50] <_ion> pitti: I wasn't able to pull the listing from the drivers themselves. There's some kind of a list in the README, but it says "For the most complete and accurate listing of supported GPUs, please see the Supported Products List, available from the NVIDIA Linux x86 Graphics Driver download page" above the list. What i've implemented so far needs manual intervention, unfortunately.
[02:51] <pitti> I see
[02:51] <pitti> _ion: that should be fine, though
[02:51] <pitti> _ion: ideally the kernel modules themselves would know which product IDs they support :(
[02:51] <_ion> Yeah.
[02:52] <mjg59> I thought the nvidia ones did?
[02:53] <mjg59> Or are they overly generous?
[02:58] <_ion> They basically match all graphics adapters by nVidia.
[03:15] <_ion> pitti: I pushed the change.
[03:17] <pitti> thank you
[03:21] <_ion> pitti: A more accurate list should be created for the ATI driver, too.
[05:53] <mjg59> http://librarian.launchpad.net/6724669/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-amd64.acpid_1.0.4-5ubuntu6_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz make sense to anyone?
[05:54] <kylem> ew.
[06:07] <imbrandon> anyone know what the sru policy is on "just needs a rebuild" ?
[06:07] <nixternal> haha
[06:14] <Riddell> Fujitsu: it's deliberate to upgrade o feisty with adept
[06:24] <geser> mjg59: you have a non-ubuntu email address as Maintainer
[06:25] <mjg59> Yes. Yes, I do.
[06:25] <mjg59> (Since I have a non-ubuntu email address)
[06:26] <geser> pkgbinarymangler tries to store it as Original-Maintainer but there is already a O-M field and errors out
[06:28] <Seveas> someone should slap pitti to add mjg59s address to the whitelist (or better: do some launchpad magic)
[06:33] <bddebian> mjg59: Oh, since you are here, do you have any plans for laptop-mode?
[06:36] <jdong_> ok, how is this gnome-main-menu slab thing supposed to work?
[06:36] <jdong_> I think it's misnamed.....
[06:37] <jdong_> "slap" - slaps your gnome-panel with a SIGSEGV
[06:37] <Seveas> jdong_, :D
[06:37] <jdong_> I'm almost sure it's PEBKAC but I'd love to get this thing running :D
[06:41] <bddebian> do be do be doo
[06:46] <Seveas> bddobedobedoobian
[06:47] <bddebian> heh
[06:51] <Treenaks> Seveas: doobian? that explains a lot ;)
[06:52] <Seveas> no comment
[06:54] <bddebian> Hmm
[08:52] <jdong_> Users should realize that less(1) provides more(1) emulation and extensive enhancements.
[08:52] <jdong_> I'm using less, but I'm not getting any "extensive enhancements"
[08:52] <jdong_> I'm beginning to think it's false advertising... my surgeon says only cartilage grafting works for extensive enhancements :(
[09:06] <Keybuk> hey pitti
[09:29] <aigarius> jdong: in 'more' terms, scrolling back one line is a very extensive enhancement
[10:02] <okaratas> Seveas, hello
[10:03] <Seveas> hi okaratas
[10:07] <_ion> Btw, "okaratas" in Finnish translates to a "thorn cogwheel". :-)
[10:08] <okaratas> _ion, i dont understand you ?
[10:08] <_ion> Your nick just happens to be a valid Finnish compound word, where oka means a thorn and ratas means a cogwheel.
[10:11] <jdong> And this concludes this week's episode of _ion points out useless random things and offends a random person!
[10:11] <_ion> Offends?
[10:11] <jdong> Stay tuned for jdong finds sexual innuendos in random manpages!
[10:11] <jdong> _ion: "confuses"?
[10:11] <bhale> jdong: there is a patch to be applied around beta time that lessens beagles logging
[10:11] <bhale> jdong: that said, my Log dir is 14mb after months and months of use
[10:11] <jdong> bhale: ah, ok, that makes me happier then :)
[10:11] <okaratas> _ion, hm okey
[10:12] <jdong> bhale: well I rm -rf'ed 2.0GB wroth of kmail on day 2 of beagle
[10:12] <jdong> bhale: so I think I might've upset it into logging more than usual :D
[10:12] <bhale> hm :)
[10:12] <bhale> there are ocassional reports of Really Big Logs
[10:12] <jdong> are they *natural* logs?
[10:13] <okaratas> _ion, what is fin cogwheel ?
[10:13] <jdong> _ion: are you Finnish, btw?
[10:14] <_ion> okaratas: http://images.google.fi/images?q=cogwheel
[10:14] <_ion> jdong: Yes.
[10:15] <jdong> _ion: ok, cool :)
[10:16] <okaratas> _ion, my name is Ozgur Karatas, my nickname "okaratas" :)
[10:16] <okaratas> http://blog.ozgurkaratas.com
[10:17] <_ion> okaratas: Yeah, i realize that. :-) Is that a Turkish name?
[10:18] <sabdfl> evening all
[10:18] <okaratas> yes _ion i am from Turkey..
[10:18] <sabdfl> do we really not want openoffice in feisty?
[10:18] <okaratas> sabdfl, hello..
[10:18] <jdong> sabdfl: maybe if I can read the fonts without squinting :)
[10:22] <Keybuk> sabdfl: ?
[10:23] <sabdfl> Keybuk: just updated, and aptitude wants to remove a ton of useful stuff
[10:23] <sabdfl> ubuntu-desktop appears to have lost some dependencies
[10:23] <Amaranth> they got changed to Recommends
[10:23] <jdong> ha, subliminal anti-OOo marketing :)
[10:24] <sabdfl> out of curiousity, why?
[10:24] <Keybuk> sabdfl: you don't use synaptic? :p
[10:24] <sabdfl> nup, aptitude, oldskool etc
[10:24] <Keybuk> most of ubuntu-desktop is moving to recommends to allow people to uninstall bits without suddenly losing their entire system
[10:24] <sabdfl> *some* people I know use dselect
[10:24] <sabdfl> ok
[10:25] <Keybuk> F10 - Options - Dependency handling - Install Recommended packages automatically
[10:25] <Keybuk> make sure that's selected
[10:26] <jdong> why isn't aptitude an emacs mode yet?
[10:26] <jdong> it seems to fit right in.
[10:29] <okaratas> which packages do i need to install for .exe files to be run? i have a .exe file for windows which i can't run..
[10:37] <Fujitsu> Riddell: It's by design that edgy-proposed has now been equated with Feisty? Interesting, I would have thought that somewhat inappropriate.
[11:23] <pirast> okaratas, wine, please ask in #ubuntu next time
[11:25] <okaratas> pirast, thank you
[11:52] <Qwell> How do I find out the maintainer of a package?
[11:53] <crimsun> apt-cache show package
[11:53] <Fujitsu> Qwell: Which package? Most packages have no maintainer as such any more.
[11:53] <Qwell> I don't use ubuntu..
[11:53] <Qwell> the package is asterisk
[11:53] <crimsun> MOTU maintains asterisk
[11:53] <Qwell> Somebody very urgently needs to upgrade to 1.2.16
[11:53] <Fujitsu> Qwell: Why do you want to know? It's more of a team effort, as crimsun says.
[11:53] <Qwell> or at least backport some stuff
[11:53] <crimsun> we know about it already, Qwell
[11:53] <Fujitsu> Qwell: That's being done.
[11:54] <Qwell> zaptel too :D
[11:54] <Qwell> ...and libpri, for good measure
[11:54] <crimsun> we know about zaptel, too.
[11:54] <crimsun> and libpri
[11:54] <Qwell> great
[11:55] <Fujitsu> Qwell: bug #89863 is the Asterisk one, for reference.
[11:55] <Qwell> any ETA?
[11:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89863 in asterisk "Asterisk 1.2.16 fixes a recently discovered security vulnerability" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89863
[11:55] <crimsun> note that they're fix released, which means fixes are already available.
[11:55] <Fujitsu> Dapper and Edgy were fixed 4 days ago, Feisty was fixed yesterday.
[11:55] <Qwell> is Feisty still gonna use 1.2?
[11:56] <crimsun> yes
[11:56] <Qwell> okay


[04:46] <fadetoz> Is anyone on here?
[04:47] <holstein> fadetoz: yes
[04:48] <fadetoz> Just got Ubuntu Studio loaded up.. Looks great. I have not used XFCE much but it seems to look and run great
[04:50] <holstein> fadetoz: cheers... enjoy it!
[04:53] <fadetoz> Thanks... I loaded it up in my music studio and tested Ardour for a few minutes and I'm pretty impressed
[04:54] <fadetoz> Are you a user or more involved with the distro?
[04:54] <holstein> both
[04:55] <fadetoz> Nice.. Sry I'm kind of a noob to xchat...
[04:56] <holstein> fadetoz: no worries.. glad you are here
[04:56] <fadetoz> I'm really wanting to ditch Windows completely in the Studio and move to Ubuntu Studio.
[04:56] <holstein> check out #opensourcemusicians if its slow here
[04:56] <fadetoz> thanks..
[04:57] <fadetoz> added it to my favorites
[04:58] <fadetoz> Do you know if Ardour is pretty resource friendly? as far as a DAW can be anyway.
[04:59] <holstein> fadetoz: there are lighter.. but it works for me
[04:59] <holstein> fadetoz: it'll more depend on your JACK config
[04:59] <fadetoz> That's another thing I need to read up on. I don't know Jack
[05:00] <fadetoz> What kinda stuff do you record? Guitar Midi etc.?
[05:01] <holstein> i do very little midi
[05:01] <holstein> http://holstein.bandcamp.com/ is a few solo albums i made with FOSS
[05:01] <fadetoz> So guitar in?
[05:01] <holstein> i do other stuff, but thats the stuff i can easily share, since its just me
[05:01] <holstein> solo upright bass
[05:02] <holstein> fadetoz: though, i play guitar as well
[05:02] <fadetoz> Sweet...
[05:03] <fadetoz> my band is in need of a bass player. Ours up and quit after our 2nd gig. Was a bummer
[05:04] <fadetoz> Do you play out at all or just for fun?
[05:06] <fadetoz> http://www.youtube.com/user/OversoldGuidance
[05:07] <fadetoz> If you wan't to check it out there are some originals there were working on. Were just doing the weekly jams for now.
[05:07] <holstein> fadetoz: i rarely play for fun ;)
[05:07] <holstein> fadetoz: i say, you dont need a bass player
[05:08] <holstein> i mean, you are all playing the roots
[05:08] <holstein> i say, just get an octave pedal, or dont worry about it
[05:10] <fadetoz> I was thinking about that awhile back. Wondering how important having a bass is. The Singer give me the backing when I do any solos
[05:10] <fadetoz> Interesting that you would say that too since I have never heard anyone flat out say "You don't need a bass player"
[05:11] <fadetoz> So I take it you get paid to play?
[05:12] <holstein> its what i do for a living
[05:12] <fadetoz> Nice. What kind of music? Jazz or ?
[05:13] <holstein> fadetoz: mostly jazz, and my own stuff when i get the chance, but whatever i get called for
[05:14] <fadetoz> Figured if you play upright there may be some Jazz going on
[05:14] <fadetoz> Checking out your site now
[05:17] <fadetoz> The only play I play besides band practice is at Church. I played their all last summer. Going to play for 6 weeks starting the 23rd
[05:17] <holstein> nice
[05:17] <fadetoz> They are trying out a contemporary service on Thursday evenings.
[05:18] <holstein> i got some shows starting up around then
[05:18] <fadetoz> Your good man
[05:18] <holstein> 8 shows a week for most of the summer
[05:18] <holstein> fadetoz: cheers!.. thanks for listening
[05:19] <fadetoz> ALways great to meet other musicians. Good ones are also a bonus ;)
[05:19] <fadetoz> I'm not that good myself but I enjoy it
[05:19] <holstein> hehe.. likewise.. glad you found us, and i hope you get JACK and ardour working for you
[05:19] <holstein> are you wanting to track the band? or just overdub your own stuff?
[05:20] <holstein> fadetoz: i think you're good.. i like what you guys got going on there
[05:20] <fadetoz> I want to do my own stuff to start
[05:20] <holstein> nice
[05:20] <fadetoz> http://www.youtube.com/user/fadetoz/videos
[05:20] <fadetoz> that's my solo type stuff
[05:21] <holstein> nice.. nice video editing too
[05:22] <fadetoz> This is one of the first times I played at Church http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_KbjrflAL8
[05:23] <fadetoz> My wife was laughing.. there's never any guitar like that. Usually piano and an acoustic
[05:23] <holstein> hehe
[05:25] <fadetoz> I bookmarked you site so I can check it out some more...
[05:25] <holstein> fadetoz: cheers
[05:25] <fadetoz> Think it's about time for me to crash.. Great to meet you Mike
[05:25] <holstein> fadetoz: talk to you soon
[05:26] <fadetoz> Yes Sir.... Glad I loaded up XChat
[06:06] <Bernhardus> hello everyone
[06:06] <SunStar> hello
[06:07] <Bernhardus> Are you good with jack audio server?
[06:08] <Bernhardus> I love making music and can't use my microphone.
[06:08] <SunStar> not me. if no one else is around you can also try #jack and #opensourcemusicians
[06:08] <Bernhardus> I am still in #jack. Thank you for assistance.
[06:13] <holstein> !proaudio
[06:13] <holstein> Bernhardus: the internal mic?
[06:15] <Bernhardus> No the usb mic.
[06:16] <Bernhardus> What do you mean by !proaudio ?
[06:16] <holstein> Bernhardus: what would i do? disable the onboard audio.. open a terminal and run "aplay -l" and "arecord -l"... see that my device is listed there
[06:16] <holstein> Bernhardus: !proaudio is what made the bot give that link to the jack setup wiki page
[06:16] <Bernhardus> okay, I give it a trial.
[06:17] <Bernhardus> Thank you.
[06:17] <holstein> then, i would open qjackctl and look for my usb hardware and select it, which is likely where you are failing right now
[06:18] <Bernhardus> The problem is, that I upgraded jack, and now, I only can use oss driver. And there is no choice of microphone input.
[06:18] <holstein> Bernhardus: what driver to you want to use? what do you mean you "upgraded jack"?
[06:18] <holstein> you mean, out of repo?
[06:19] <holstein> go back to the default repo version... you can always use ubuntustudio from the live CD if you have broken your config
[06:19] <Bernhardus> thinking
[06:20] <Bernhardus>   p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }  Version: 0.3.4
[06:20] <Bernhardus> Build: Jul 28 2010 14:46:47
[06:20] <holstein> !paste
[06:20] <Bernhardus> !paste
[06:20] <holstein> Bernhardus: the bot wont give you the factoid again, since i just asked for it
[06:21] <Bernhardus> Before installing ardour 3 I was asked to upgrade jack. I did it from jack homepage, from the source.
[06:21] <holstein> Bernhardus: i didnt need to upgrade anything outside of the repos
[06:22] <holstein> Bernhardus: go back to the stock ubuntustudio version of jack, or you can get support from the jack team for the package you are using that is not ours
[06:22] <Bernhardus> Yes, but I was looking forward to use ardour 3 so many months, for the midi option.
[06:22] <holstein> Bernhardus: i use ardour 3 *without* a different verion of jack
[06:22] <Bernhardus> And I wanted to use it just parallel.
[06:22] <holstein> Bernhardus: sure
[06:22] <holstein> Bernhardus: i do that.. i did *not* change my jack version
[06:23] <holstein> Bernhardus: what version of ubuntustudio are you using?
[06:23] <Bernhardus> Yes I see, it was wrong. But the installation routine sad, I should use next hjck.
[06:23] <Bernhardus> said
[06:23] <holstein> Bernhardus: should and must are 2 different things
[06:25] <Bernhardus> Yes for the future I always will remember your words.
[06:25] <Bernhardus> But for now, what to do.
[06:26] <holstein> Bernhardus: ?.. go back to the stock version of jACK that was working..
[06:27] <Bernhardus> How to?
[06:27] <holstein> Bernhardus: i would go back from however you did it
[06:28] <Bernhardus> Yes, but how to?
[06:28] <holstein> Bernhardus: i have no idea what you have installed, or what version of ubuntustudio you are on
[06:28] <Bernhardus> 10.04
[06:28] <holstein> !eol
[06:28] <holstein> !10.04 | 10.04 is EOL
[06:29] <SunStar> boy yer really good with this PR stuff  :P
[06:29] <Bernhardus> Okay this what I thought about should and must.
[06:29] <holstein> Bernhardus: what would i do? download 12.04 or 13.04 and install, and enjoy
[06:29] <holstein> SunStar: ?
[06:29] <Bernhardus> holstein: okay
[06:30] <holstein> Bernhardus: between 13.04 or 12.04, i might do 13.04 now... but 12.04 is what i use and have been using.. and installed ardour3 on
[06:30] <Bernhardus> will the audio problem then be solved. I always hesitate such thinkgs, because my experience with linux and audio or mainborad is terrible.
[06:31] <holstein> Bernhardus: 10.04 is EOL.. the "no updates for my operating system" issue will be solved
[06:31] <Bernhardus> Okay.
[06:31] <holstein> Bernhardus: will it support your hardware? try it live and see
[06:31] <Bernhardus> Yes this is a good idea.
[06:31] <holstein> in my experience, it gets easier with newer versions
[06:31] <Bernhardus> I thought about it.
[06:32] <SunStar> 13 is so much better than 10
[06:32] <Bernhardus> okay, thank you a lot.
[06:33] <Bernhardus> I download ist and then try it first.
[06:33] <holstein> Bernhardus: enjoy!
[06:35] <Bernhardus> I say goodbye meenwhile to you holstein. Thank you.
[06:36] <holstein> Bernhardus: cheers
[06:42] <smartboyhw> zequence: Can you post the EOL announcement as "Ubuntu Studio" and post it to the Ubuntu Studio Community please?
[06:42] <smartboyhw> Eh wrong channel
[17:08] <mydoghasworms> Is there a better application than qjackctl's patchbay or connect? I find it very confusing with all those little lines.
[17:08] <mydoghasworms> I see that KXStudio has an app called Catia, but how do I install that?
[17:08] <holstein> !best
[17:08] <holstein> mydoghasworms: you can add the ppa's for kxstudio and use that application if you want
[17:09] <holstein> what do i use? qjackctl
[17:09] <holstein> ask in #opensourcemusicians to see what other folks like to use
[17:10] <mydoghasworms> Sorry, maybe I didn't phrase my question very well :-) I just mean that I have difficulty wiring up lots of apps with qjackctl and I would like an alternative (like Catia)
[17:10] <holstein> mydoghasworms: use that one
[17:11] <holstein> mydoghasworms: otherwise, there are lots of alternatives..
[17:12] <mydoghasworms> holstein, Can you name one or two?
[17:17] <holstein> mydoghasworms: i use qjackctl
[17:17] <holstein> there is one here http://www.linuxdsp.co.uk/archive/archived_lv2_plugins/index.html that i have checked out
[17:17] <holstein> theres patchage.. and AFAIK falks are going upstream
[17:18] <mydoghasworms> holstein, Thanks for the pointer, let me check that out.
[17:19] <holstein> mydoghasworms: also, since falk is around in #kxustudio , just follow where he is leading
[17:19] <holstein> mydoghasworms: if you are looking for X, i always say, just use X, since nothing is either exactly like X, nor necessarily trying to be or replace X
[17:20] <mydoghasworms> holstein, Thanks, he has in fact answered my one question about Catia.
[17:23] <mydoghasworms> holstein, I am sorry, but I didn't quite understand your last advice, though I am sure it is good advice. Sorry, maybe because it is late I am struggling to process it.
[17:27] <holstein> mydoghasworms: to use the version of the *actual* software you are looking for, is my advice.. getting it from PPA as i and falk suggests is one way to do ti
[17:27] <holstein> it*
[23:10] <gregorioszabo> gregorioszabo33@yahoo.com.br


[01:24] <chatter29> hey guys
[10:58] <sborovkov> Hi, is 2.24 in stable now?
[11:24] <Son_Goku> sborovkov: should be
[11:46] <sborovkov> Son_Goku: nope :-(
[11:46] <Son_Goku> it was supposed to go out last Monday on Ubuntu
[11:46] <Son_Goku> it's certainly out on Fedora
[11:46] <sborovkov> not on armhf at least
[11:46] <sborovkov> snap info co
[11:46] <sborovkov> installed:   16-2 (1580) 69MB -
[11:46] <sborovkov> refreshed:   2017-03-29 14:05:52 +0000 UTC
[11:47] <sborovkov> channels:
[11:47] <sborovkov>   stable:    16-2 (1580) 69MB -
[11:47] <sborovkov> snap --version
[11:47] <sborovkov> snap    2.23.6
[12:26] <mup> PR snapd#3257 closed: tests: specify the auto-refreshable snap being tested <Created by fgimenez> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3257>
[12:27] <zyga> good morning
[12:27]  * zyga is doing house cleaning tasks
[12:27] <zyga> sborovkov, Son_Goku due to travel/holidays it will probably happen early this week but I don't know
[12:27] <zyga> AFAIK only jamie bennett can promote to stable
[12:39] <niemeyer> Mornings
[12:39] <niemeyer> Sprint kicking off here
[12:40] <Son_Goku> moo
[12:40]  * Son_Goku is cleaning up for travel
[12:40] <Son_Goku> le sigh
[12:41] <Son_Goku> the spring/summer months are always full of travel
[12:44] <moti> Hello guys
[12:45] <moti> I ran ubuntu core 16.04 on my PI3.
[12:46] <moti> controllingthe Pi with laptop(over ssh), and want to know how can i use gui apps like "ubuntu-calculator-app"
[12:47] <moti> i can find this app in luncher of the ubuntu on the laptop
[12:47] <moti> but there is no any gui in ubuntu core!
[12:48] <moti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24492481
[12:49] <moti> the calculator has installed but i dont know how to use it.
[12:51] <Blu2> from the dscription: "Ubuntu Core is a tiny, transactional version of Ubuntu for IoT devices and large container deployments"
[12:52] <Blu2> https://www.ubuntu.com/core
[12:54] <moti> you mean there is no chance to run gui apps?
[12:56] <Son_Goku> well, there's Mir support, but beyond that?
[12:56]  * Son_Goku shrugs
[12:56] <Blu2> The calculator would require a display server and wm, I guess
[12:57] <Son_Goku> you'd need to configure a Unity 8 session
[12:57] <Son_Goku> as far as I know, Unity 8 is the only thing that currently works on Snappy Ubuntu
[12:58] <moti> but the "unity" or "x11" are not availablein the iterfaces list of snappy on raspberry
[12:58] <Son_Goku> unity is for unity7
[12:59] <moti> while it is available on x64 pc
[12:59] <Son_Goku> the unity interface isn't available on Ubuntu Core on x86 either
[12:59] <Son_Goku> only on Ubuntu Classic
[13:02] <moti> yea, i just checked!!!!(but how the gui snaps work)
[13:02] <moti> anyway, how can i configure the the unity 8 ?
[13:06]  * Son_Goku shrugs
[13:06] <Son_Goku> I think you'd have to install the unity 8 session snap
[13:19] <moti> OK, got it
[13:20] <moti> but as final question, it has any stable version instead of edge?
[13:27] <moti> @Son_Goku, thank you for helping
[13:27] <nothal> moti: No such command!
[13:27] <moti> xxx ^_^
[13:27] <Son_Goku> moti: no
[13:28] <Son_Goku> there likely will never be :(
[13:28] <moti> Yea, i read on web
[13:31] <moti> Its 6 pm here and i got tired, going for a movie, good bye guys.
[14:23] <jdstrand> Trevinho: hi! thanks for the updates to the preload plugin. not sure if you saw, but I filed https://github.com/sergiusens/snapcraft-preload/issues/13
[15:45] <zyga_> hey
[16:32] <Pharaoh_Atem> zyga_: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/NmsFYMd2WEStihK1ATvizV5M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE=
[16:33] <Pharaoh_Atem> shellcheck fails the scripts in snapd 2.25 :/
[16:53] <ogra_> Pharaoh_Atem, was that script recently added ?
[16:53] <ogra_> (the test script)
[17:48] <mup> PR snapd#3255 closed: tests: set ownership of $PROJECT_PATH for the external backend <Created by fgimenez> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3255>


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