[15:16] <artnay> 16:52      CIA-7 : ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r351 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ (334 files in 7 dirs): Update translations from Launchpad.
[15:16] <artnay> that was ~30 min ago
[15:21] <serfus> that's great, i was afraid the translation wan't done on time
[15:21] <serfus> artnay, where is this information from?
[15:25] <artnay> serfus: #ubuntu-installer
[15:25] <artnay> but that's just slideshow, not ubiquity itself
[15:26] <serfus> good, i am referring to the slideshow
[15:27] <serfus> unfortunately i had only enough time to do the ubuntu slideshow and on the others
[15:28] <dpm> great
[21:36] <yurchor> Hi! It seems Kubuntu team decided to import some dozens of templates from KDE trunk (~600 messages in total).
[21:36] <yurchor> These messages are already translated in KDE trunk, but they falied to import translations somehow.
[21:37] <yurchor> Could this be fixed?
[21:37] <yurchor> ^Can this be fixed? Sorry...
[21:38] <yurchor> Prominent example: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/kdepimlibs/+pots/libkcalutils/uk/+translate
[21:40] <yurchor> http://l10n.kde.org/stats/gui/trunk-kde4/team/uk/kdepimlibs/
[21:43] <yurchor> It would be good if breaks of this kind will never happen in the last week before translation deadline.


[00:52] <haydn> Hey everyone I was hoping someone could help me trouble shoot a crash. I'm not sure where to start
[01:14] <jadams> I just did an update on my laptop (ati graphics) and now X won't start due to conflicting ABI versions
[01:51] <EvilDaemon> jadams: thats not good. are you on irssi then?
[01:52] <RAOF> jadams: That'll be the fact that fglrx doesn't support our X server.  Just remove xorg-driver-fglrx, and move your xorg.conf out of the way.
[02:10] <majnoon> how get intrepid ??
[02:12] <danbh_intrepid> update-manager -d
[02:13] <Hobbsee> majnoon: if you have to ask, you *probably* shouldn't be running it
[02:14] <majnoon> :P:P:P:P:P
[02:18] <acuster> hey all, how do I force installation of a package (it's source code with a trivial version difference)
[02:18] <acuster> dpkg --force-all is not working
[02:18] <acuster> is there some more persuasive flag to pass?
[02:22] <RAOF> acuster: No.  We'd need the dpkg error message to give you any more help.
[02:25] <acuster> okay, thanks. I'll pass on this for now and keep working.
[02:46] <blur2040>  I have a fiddly little issue with with synaptic under Intrepid Ibex.  No matter which repository I set, Synaptic isn't showing all pacakges.  Two examples are Nethack and Compizconfig-settings manager.  I can see them in aptitude and the add/remove applications program, but not under synaptic.  It's driving me nuts.  Any ideas?
[03:03] <blur2040> Has anyone had any issues with getting Synaptic to recognize all available packages under intrepid ibex?
[03:07] <mn> Is alpha 6 the last alpha release?
[03:07] <blur2040> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[03:28] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/261318
[03:28] <DanaG> grr.
[03:31] <Hobbsee> mn: yes
[03:32] <mn> k thx
[03:32] <mn> :)
[03:34] <blur2040> I have a case of the intrepid blues
[04:25] <`Matir> is it possible to install an i386 .deb on amd64?
[04:26] <_Zeus_> it is
[04:26] <RAOF> Yes, but there's no guarantee it'll work.
[04:26] <_Zeus_> use dpkg -x i think
[04:26] <_Zeus_> try man dpkg
[04:27] <RAOF> dpkg --install --force-architecure will install it.  But it's entirely possible that doing so will overwrite a 64bit library that you need, and hence break your 64bit apps.
[04:27] <_Zeus_> yes, so use carefully
[04:30] <`Matir> yeah, just been thinking about trying Lotus Symphony
[04:40] <redlegion> hello all!
[04:40] <redlegion> I have a quick question (at least, I hope)
[04:41] <redlegion> I'm trying to roll my own *.deb of xmms 1.2
[04:41] <redlegion> oh, well crap, nevermind then! just changed /debian/rules
[04:41] <redlegion> thanks anyways!
[04:44] <redlegion> i really need to check out the significance of LDFLAGS
[04:50] <TeslaTony> Are there any known major issues with upgrading from 8.04 to 8.10?
[04:50] <redlegion> i dunno, i had weird nvidia driver issues
[04:51] <redlegion> i had to force a kernel reinstall after grabbing the latest 177
[04:51] <RAOF> If there are, they're documented on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview I believe.
[04:51] <RAOF> If, by "grabbing the latest 177", you mean "downloading and installing the drivers from nvidia.com", please don't :)
[04:52] <TeslaTony> What's wrong with the NVidia drivers?
[04:52] <RAOF> Nothing, as far as I'm aware.  As long as you're using the packaged drivers, everything should be fine.
[04:53] <RAOF> Oh, and as long as you've got a > geforce4 card.
[04:53] <TeslaTony> I always have trouble with the open source drivers, but the restricted ones that Ubuntu fetches for me work
[04:54] <TeslaTony> Or at least with previous installs
[04:56] <redlegion> noooo, I just used the restricted repository
[04:56] <redlegion> it's a pain in the ass to rebuild for every kernel patch
[04:56] <redlegion> pretty much why i don't build my own kernel anymore
[04:56] <RAOF> Right.    I don't believe there's a magic "make the kernel panic" button.
[05:23] <dfgas> darn, heh
[05:24] <RAOF> You want to test out the new crashdump/kerneloops facilities?
[05:27] <TeslaTony> There is indeed a magic "Make the kernel panic" button. Unfortunately, it only works on Ubuntu Unreasonable Unicorn for now
[05:42] <majnoon> it no let me upgrade
[06:06] <cwillu> doesn't killing init cause a panic?
[06:06] <RAOF> Really?  Why would it?
[06:07] <RAOF> You're welcome to test :)
[06:07] <cwillu> I just recall seeing "kernel panic: tried to kill init" somewhere
[06:07] <RAOF> Hm.  Maybe it does.  I'm not sure why it would, though.
[06:07]  * cwillu grabs a test machine
[06:10] <intangir> k well here goes
[06:10] <cwillu> just respawns
[06:10] <intangir> gonna run it
[06:10] <intangir> oh gotta burn it first..
[06:10] <cwillu> :p
[06:10] <musikgoat|lappy> !flash
[06:11] <danbh_intrepid> !bang?
[06:11] <cwillu> **bang**!
[06:11] <cwillu> awww, beat me to it
[06:11] <danbh_intrepid> lol
[06:11] <cwillu> I knew I shouldn't have spent the time to add the !
[06:11] <yao_ziyuan> does anyone successfully install kde 4.1.1 on intrepid?
[06:11] <musikgoat|lappy> anyone know if there are issues with flash from a firefox install request?
[06:11] <yao_ziyuan> my kde 4.1.1 doesn't let me log in after upgrading to intrepid alpha 6
[06:12] <yao_ziyuan> i am using this line:
[06:12] <yao_ziyuan> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid main
[06:13] <danbh_intrepid> what version does kubuntu have?
[06:13] <yao_ziyuan> i don't know
[06:13] <musikgoat|lappy> *issues instaling flash
[06:13] <Hobbsee> !info kdebase-runtime
[06:13] <yao_ziyuan> but i use ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4's packages
[06:13] <yao_ziyuan> they have kde 4.1.1
[06:14] <yao_ziyuan> maybe i should reinstall kde
[06:14] <Hobbsee> jussi01: where's ubottu?
[06:14] <Hobbsee>   Candidate: 4:4.1.1-0ubuntu4
[06:14] <intangir> OMG ITS BURNIIING!
[06:14] <danbh_intrepid> maybe you should try the regular repos, it looks like they have 4.1.1 too
[06:14] <Hobbsee> anyway, intrepid has 4.1.1
[06:14] <yao_ziyuan> ok
[06:14] <intangir> BuUuUUuUrRrrrRRrrRNnnIiiNNng it!
[06:14]  * Hobbsee wonders if the strange way of upgrading yesterday played a part in all this.
[06:15] <yao_ziyuan> installing
[06:15] <yao_ziyuan> hoho
[06:15] <yao_ziyuan> Hobbsee: no strange way. i am using update-manager -d
[06:15] <yao_ziyuan> *was
[06:16] <Hobbsee> right
[06:18] <musikgoat|lappy> cant play flash, like youtube, on a freshly updated clean install of alpha 5, anyone heard of any problems with FF not seeing the flash install?
[06:18] <yao_ziyuan> by the way,
[06:19] <danbh_intrepid> musikgoat|lappy: 32bit?
[06:19] <yao_ziyuan> currently when i try to log into kde 4.1.1, it says: "No greeter widget plugin loaded. Check the configuration." and then enters a text-only console.
[06:19] <musikgoat|lappy> yes
[06:19] <danbh_intrepid> nope, no problems here
[06:19] <musikgoat|lappy> hmm, was it "seemless" for you?
[06:19] <musikgoat|lappy> like no install process?
[06:20] <danbh_intrepid> wait, did you actually install flash yet?
[06:20] <danbh_intrepid> no, I installed it
[06:20] <musikgoat|lappy> i got the popup and tried
[06:20] <musikgoat|lappy> then restarted ff, and it still asks to install
[06:20] <danbh_intrepid> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:21] <musikgoat|lappy> kk, trying that out, thanks
[06:21] <danbh_intrepid> I found I never got a popup on youtube, because youtube would detect and send me to a oops, you have no flash page
[06:22] <yao_ziyuan> i can see why now
[06:22] <yao_ziyuan> they use different naming
[06:22] <musikgoat|lappy> danbh_intrepid: tbh, i'd get the popup at my homepage, netvibes, cause there is some flash request or something, but youtube gives me the same message as you
[06:22] <yao_ziyuan> ppa.launchpad.net's kde 4.1.1 use names like "kmix-kde4"
[06:22] <yao_ziyuan> while intrepid official repos uses "kmix"
[06:23] <yao_ziyuan> so i must do a reinstall from intrepid official repos
[06:23] <danbh_intrepid> yao_ziyuan: why again?
[06:23] <musikgoat|lappy> it will be interesting how ubuntu goes about making flash "seemless" if you are going to need the restricted extras package.
[06:23] <danbh_intrepid> yao_ziyuan: cant you just remove the repo, and then remove the packages through synaptic?
[06:24] <RAOF> musikgoat|lappy: By hooking into the "you need to install plugins to view $THING" system, as we currently do?
[06:24] <danbh_intrepid> musikgoat|lappy: well, that installer used to work
[06:24] <musikgoat|lappy> thanks danbh_intrepid worked fine
[06:24] <musikgoat|lappy> oh
[06:24] <danbh_intrepid> musikgoat|lappy: I use the restricted-extras package just because it makes it easier...
[06:25] <musikgoat|lappy> ahh, and knocks out a couple of other tools needed for a new setup
[06:25] <musikgoat|lappy> thanks
[06:26] <yao_ziyuan> danbh_intrepid: i am doing so
[06:39] <klos> hey anyone got some information about the artwork remake ?
[06:39] <klos> is it going to be delayed?
[06:41] <yao_ziyuan> will there be any betas between alpha 6 and final release?
[06:41] <klos> yep usually one beta
[06:42] <yao_ziyuan> also, does "kubuntu-desktop" in intrepid means kde4?
[06:49] <darthanubis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=791746
[06:50] <darthanubis> October 2nd
[06:50] <darthanubis>     * Beta Release
[06:50] <darthanubis> October 23rd
[06:50] <darthanubis>  * ReleaseCandidate
[06:59] <intangir> ok i just tried to run the alpha
[06:59] <intangir> it didnt boot up the graphics right at all
[06:59] <intangir> the Xorg didnt come up right at all
[06:59] <intangir> looked like a lot of verticle flashing lines
[06:59] <intangir> also my text mode was totally freaked up too so i couldnt even use text mode
[06:59] <Lynoure> intangir: Which graphics card?
[06:59] <intangir> nvidia 6800
[07:00] <darthanubis> my alpha 5 install went that way as well
[07:00] <darthanubis> nvidia 8400gs here
[07:00] <intangir> all the previous versions since like breazy worked for me but this one..
[07:00] <intangir> how do you get it going?
[07:00] <darthanubis> Breezy?
[07:01] <intangir> ya
[07:01] <darthanubis> oh since
[07:01] <RAOF> intangir: Probably by installing nvidia-glx-177
[07:01] <intangir> ya every relaese since thing has booted without issue except for this one
[07:01] <RAOF> (The nvidia-glx-177 package, I mean)
[07:01] <intangir> can i do that on the install CD?
[07:01] <darthanubis> yes
[07:01] <RAOF> Oh, this is on the liveCD?
[07:02] <RAOF> intangir: Please file a bug against the xserver-xorg-video-nv package, then.
[07:02] <intangir> hwo can i tell if its even using nv?
[07:02] <intangir> i have no idea what its even using
[07:02] <RAOF> Because you're on the livecd, it's using nv.
[07:03] <RAOF> You can check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to confirm.
[07:03] <intangir> well ... the nv package worked for me before
[07:03] <intangir> ok ill try it this time
[07:03] <intangir> so i nstall nvidia-glx-177, then what?
[07:03] <RAOF> Indeed.  That would make this a regression, which (a) is generally easier to track down, and (b) we really, really care about!
[07:03] <intangir> how do i make it use it?
[07:04] <RAOF> Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to add "nvidia" as the driver.   It does the config part for ya. :) Though you have to have been using it before if you needed to go blindly at it.
[07:17] <intangir> i tried envy once and it had a great little setup gui
[07:17] <intangir> but it was .. in X
[07:17] <astraljava> It has a text-mode too.
[07:17] <astraljava> `sudo envyng -t`
[07:17] <intangir> i am not familiar with that ;) so i doubt i can do it blind hahah
[07:18] <astraljava> Yeah that's true. :)
[07:18] <intangir> the titlebars look glitched sometimes, you notice that?
[07:19] <RAOF> intangir: Yeah; nvidia bug.
[07:19] <RAOF> Lo
[07:19] <RAOF> (Longstanding nvidia bug)
[07:20] <astraljava> Hmm... I haven't noticed that.   Then you won't be expereincing _any_ of the driver bugs compiz exposes ;)
[07:21] <astraljava> ...and I thank my lucky stars, then. :)
[07:21] <intangir> my text mode ttys or whatever are still all glitched to crap
[07:22] <astraljava> Those might not be corrected until you reboot. It's a separate thing to X, which can be corrected by the way you already did, Ctrl+Alt+Backspace.
[07:23] <astraljava> Not sure about that, though.
[07:23] <intangir> i thought that was just for X
[07:23] <intangir> lets see
[07:23] <intangir> ~ya that does nothing to the text ones
[07:23] <intangir> i havent installed yet
[07:23] <intangir> and i think im gonna give this a bit more review before i try it..
[07:23] <astraljava> Oh I should have been clearer, they _definitely_ are separate from X. :)
[07:24] <intangir> ya thats whats weird
[07:24] <astraljava> And thus Ctrl+Alt+Backspace do nothing for them.
[07:24] <intangir> if X is erroring, why are my text ttys so screwd up
[07:24] <intangir> i think it has to do with trying to use vesa, or displaying the intro graphic while loading
[07:24] <astraljava> But what bit I'm not sure of, is that whether reboot only fixes them or if there is another way.
[07:25] <RAOF> The VTs can be corrupted in any number of ways.
[07:25] <RAOF> Although I'd expect the binary nvidia drivers to not kill them like that.
[07:25] <intangir> it was ruined before i got the nvidia driversw
[07:25] <RAOF> Maybe the problem is a framebuffer driver?
[07:26] <RAOF> Yeah, but switching to X and then back to another VT should make the nvidia driver clean up the VT state.
[07:26] <intangir> well i gotta crash though
[07:26] <intangir> thanks guys
[07:26] <intangir> see ya tomarrow probably
[07:30] <bullgard4> !interpunction intangir
[07:53] <cwillu> what's an interpunction?
[07:53]  * cwillu sighs
[07:54] <cwillu> 2 hours to download (based on the time as reported after downloading for 20 minutes or so), so I watch two hours of dawkins.  I come back, and I'm 66% done the downloads, with only 2 hours and 6 minutes remaining
[07:54] <cwillu> dear god, I've invented a time machine!
[07:55] <motorizer> cwillu lamer :)
[08:07] <TeslaTony> Are there many likely problems that I'll have if I install on a system that has kubuntu-kde4-desktop package installed, plus an LXDE desktop environment installed?
[08:08] <TeslaTony> (on top of the current GNOME desktop)
[08:08] <cwillu> are you gonna be upset if I suggest that you're testing it so that we can find out any such issues?
[08:09] <TeslaTony> I might cry a little...
[08:09] <cwillu> will you take pictures?
[08:09] <TeslaTony> I have two cameras
[08:09] <cwillu> consider it suggested, show me the pics
[08:09] <TeslaTony> I'll put a video on youtube
[08:09] <cwillu> sweet :)
[08:11] <DanaG> My next laptop will have Intel's AMT... so I should be able to grab screenshots even on the BIOS screen.
[08:12] <TeslaTony> It'd be cool to get a video of the full boot process
[08:12] <TeslaTony> Without using a camera
[08:14] <literal> AMT?
[08:14] <DanaG> You could also use a kvm-over-IP device.
[08:14] <DanaG> Intel's AMT is their remote management thingy.
[08:15] <TeslaTony> Oh, so you just record using a second computer?
[08:16] <DanaG> You could use an S-Video tuner to do it, but you'd have to accept lower resolution.
[08:16] <TeslaTony> What about a DVI capture card?
[08:17] <DanaG> That'd be better.  Or the HDMI one.
[08:18] <TeslaTony> HDMI would be a little easier
[08:18]  * TeslaTony goes crosseyed
[08:18] <TeslaTony> Whining about a lower resolution on DISTENDED TEXT?!
[08:19] <DanaG> Huh?  What's this about crosseyed?
[08:19] <TeslaTony> I just realized; S-Video has more than enough resolution to show the boot process
[08:19] <TeslaTony> Once it goes graphical...not so much
[09:33] <MvG> Hi! I'd like to give the latest Intrepid a try. However, things smelled of trouble even before I got really started, mostly due to me using KDE/kubuntu. Is this the channel to discuss such things?
[09:33] <MvG> I couldn't find a way to change release with adept. Update-manager would pull in all that GNOME synaptics stuff, which felt not very kubuntu-like, and update-manager-kde isn't available for hardy afaict.  This seems really strange, and probably not what one would expect on kubuntu. Can't tell why it would be removed, or what would replace it.
[09:34] <bugabundo_work> update-manager -d or do-release-upgrade -d should work
[09:34] <MvG> bugabundo_work: Yes, hardy.
[09:34] <bugabundo_work> if not, please fill a bug against it
[09:34] <MvG> mvo: trying...
[09:35] <bugabundo_work> changing Sources is NOT the proper way to upgrade
[09:35] <bugabundo_work> because Policy changes won't get applied
[09:35] <bugabundo_work> MvG: do you have the kubuntu meta-package installed?
[09:36] <bugabundo_work> or did you by any change remove it in the past?
[09:37] <MvG> bugabundo_work: I see no kubuntu package on hardy. apt-get install doesn't either.
[09:38] <MvG> Doing release upgrade...
[09:39] <bugabundo_work> MvG: kubuntu-desktop ?
[09:39] <bugabundo_work> MvG: or kubuntu-kde4-desktop ?
[09:39] <bugabundo_work> did you change your sources back?
[09:40] <MvG> kubuntu-desktop is installed, yes.
[09:40] <bugabundo_work> then file a bug...
[09:40] <MvG> I changed my sources back before doing the release upgrade. The upgrade failed, however, due to insufficient space on my boot partition. :-(
[09:41] <bugabundo_work> ahhh
[09:41] <bugabundo_work> yes that old bug
[09:41] <bugabundo_work> that update-manager doesn't check for disk space
[09:41] <bugabundo_work> before upgrading
[09:42] <MvG> I know I've got a slightly small boot partition, it has caused trouble in the past. Annyoing thing, that.
[09:43] <bugabundo_work> MvG: funny enough I aint finding it
[09:43] <MvG> rerunning upgrade after moving my old initrd now.
[09:43] <bugabundo_work> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=update+manager+doesnt+check+for+available+disk&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&
[09:43] <bugabundo_work> actually this bug should be on apt-get
[09:45] <mvo> well, it does check for disk space, just during the upgrade (how else would it know how much it is going to need :)
[09:45] <bugabundo_work> I know that mvo
[09:45] <bugabundo_work> it can't GUESS
[09:45] <bugabundo_work> but can put around an extimetive
[09:45] <mvo> :)
[09:46] <bugabundo_work> from the usual size from users
[09:46] <bugabundo_work> everyone knows at least from previous upgrades
[09:46] <bugabundo_work> that you are going to need about 400-800 MiBs of packages
[09:46] <MvG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/264282 seems related... I'm looking forwart to seeing how much space the upgrade will really need. Had to remove my old kernel image in addition to the initrd, the latter alone wasn't enough. :-(
[09:46] <mvo> right, that does make sense
[09:46] <bugabundo_work> plus the necessary amount of disk to unpack
[09:47] <mvo> MvG: how much space do you have in /boot ?
[09:47] <bugabundo_work> so... should we file a bug against update manager
[09:47] <TuTUXG> after i switch from a wireless connection to cable, network-manager keeps trying to connect to the wireless hop and i have to manually disable wireless
[09:47] <bugabundo_work> so you can get it a bit smarter by using "AROUND" extimetives?
[09:47] <MvG> mvo: 31077k
[09:49] <MvG> OK, finally got the upgrade convinced I've enough space. do-dist-upgrade now would like to remove adept. Do you know of a way to find out /why/ it is removing a given package?
[09:49] <bugabundo_work> mvg you have 31MiBs free?
[09:49] <bugabundo_work> or total size?
[09:50] <MvG> mvo: Total size. I don't know the last free amount that still caused it to complain.
[09:50] <mvo> MvG: there is extensive logging in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ - if you put main.log up somewhere I can have a look
[09:50] <mvo> MvG: we may also need apt.log (that has more details on the dependency resolver results)
[09:51] <mvo> bugabundo_work: maybe extend one of the existing bugreprot with the suggestion to do a eastimate early? or a new whishlist request, either way is fine
[09:52] <bugabundo_work> MvG: df -h should give you free disk
[09:53] <MvG> mvo: apt.log looks more interesting: http://rafb.net/p/1fPAE548.html
[09:54] <MvG> bugabundo_work: Yes it does, but as I said, I moved initrd, still didn't have enough space, next moved kernel image, then had enough space. So I don't know how much I had when it last failed, short of moving files around yet again.
[09:56] <mvo> MvG: could you still put main.log up? it contains information if your kubuntu install was detected as one
[09:57] <MvG> mvo: sure: http://rafb.net/p/rDiSCz13.html
[09:58]  * bugabundo_work going throuth update-manager bugs
[10:01]  * mvo hugs bugabundo_work for this
[10:03] <mvo> MvG: thanks, it looks like all the old adept-* are all replaced now with a single adept package, but its seems there is something funny with the dependencies
[10:03] <MvG> mvo: I agree.
[10:04]  * bugabundo_work drafts When users upgrade to the development version using update-manager -d or do-release-upgrade -d stats should be collected and sent to some kind of archive (after user allows them to) so that a approximated size necessary can be calculated in order to prevent running out of free disk on future dist upgrades by users (either still on development versions or Stable releases)
[10:05] <MvG> According to http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/adept adept depends on libapt-pkg-libc6.8-6-4.6 provided by apt. So the libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 in my apt.log might be the funny thing. Question is, where does it come from?
[10:06] <MvG> Stop, sorry, that's one of the old adept subpackages.
[10:06] <mvo> MvG: it looks like this is a bug in that it looks at the old package, I'm testing a workaround
[10:07] <mvo> MvG: (that may take a bit)
[10:07] <MvG> mvo: Don't bother finding a workaround just for me: I can simply upgrade and manually install adept afterwards using apt-get.
[10:07] <mvo> MvG: I have a test system here that shows the same behavior, so its good that you brought it up :)
[10:07] <MvG> So if it's just me, then never mind. However, if this could hit others as well, you'd want to find a general solution, not only a single case workaround.
[10:08] <bugabundo_work> mvo: what's the old kernel funtion name we now have on intrepid
[10:08] <bugabundo_work> that I guess ben develop?
[10:09] <MvG> btw there are some bugs out there about adept crashing during an upgrade. I wonder whether some of those could be due to adept being removed dusing the upgrade. Not likely, though, I guess.
[10:10] <mvo> bugabundo_work: you mean the function in the code? or the name of the config bits that control the behavior? DistUpgrade.cfg has [KernelRemoval] and there version, basenames, and types
[10:10] <bugabundo_work> just a simple name that identifies it, so I can mention it on the BTS report against update-manager
[10:10] <bugabundo_work> I guess KernelRemoval will do
[10:11] <MvG> apt.log says: "Package adept has broken dep on adept-common" which disagrees with http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/adept
[10:13] <bugabundo_work> mvo: can't find any wiki/LP/Google hits for KernelRemoval
[10:15] <mvo> bugabundo_work: right, its quite new, if you could just create a wiki page for it, that would be cool
[10:15] <bugabundo_work> humm I remember reading about it on Devel and kernel ML
[10:15] <bugabundo_work> but nor my mail client archive nor google is hitting it
[10:16] <mvo> oh, you mean the last good kernel feature?
[10:16] <bugabundo_work> #ubuntu-kernel is to quite at this hour to be any help either
[10:16] <bugabundo_work> ahhh that one!
[10:16] <mvo> there is a new functionatlity that it preserves the last known good kernel at boot
[10:17] <bugabundo_work> plus it unpins old kernel so that they can be removed
[10:17] <bugabundo_work> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/removing-old-kernels
[10:17] <MvG> bugabundo_work: Will you investigate the release upgrade issue on your testing system, so that I can upgrade my system and reinstall adept manually, or would you rather I keep my current state to test any suggested solutions? Should I file a bug report, and if so, against update-manager-common in hardy, apt in any release, adept in intrepid, or all of these?
[10:18] <mvo> MvG: just go ahead and upgrade I can reproduce it here just fine, thanks
[10:18] <bugabundo_work> MvG: I'm not the one with test system
[10:18] <bugabundo_work> you are mixing up irc nicks
[10:18] <bugabundo_work> lol
[10:18] <MvG> Sorry...
[10:19] <bugabundo_work> np
[10:19] <Cheery> last time I forgotten, where can I pick up intrepid ibex alpha 6?
[10:19] <bugabundo_work> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[10:19] <bugabundo_work> for Ubuntu/GNOME
[10:19] <bugabundo_work> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/intrepid/alpha-6/
[10:20]  * MvG will wait 80min for the update, and the be anxious to find out how the nvidia modules are handled in a full intrepid environment.
[10:20] <bugabundo_work> for daily http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[10:20] <bugabundo_work> you can use rsync to complete older iso downloads
[10:20] <bugabundo_work> from the DVD I just download arroung 200MiBs instead 4GiBs
[10:20] <bugabundo_work> CDs go up to 100MiBs
[10:21] <Cheery> is it a good idea to use daily alpha instead of alpha-6?
[10:21] <mvo> MvG: there is code in update-manager that detects the nvidia in the system and picks the right driver, so that is hopefully ok (on your system it picked -96) - let me know if that works all fine, that is a relatively new feature
[10:21] <bugabundo_work> Cheery: I always use Dailies and also recommend them to testers
[10:21] <bugabundo_work> saves the time to download the updates
[10:22] <Cheery> ah.
[10:22] <MvG> mvo: I had first updated just the kernel to test a bug with my atmel wlan card. In that environment I couldn't get the system to automagically build the modules, even after it selected the correct (source!) package. I hope for automatic module building now, and get back to you if it doesn't work that way.
[10:23]  * bugabundo_work thinks if a blueprint wouldn't be better serve than a bug ticket
[10:23]  * bugabundo_work of course Murphis Law dictates that that only happens after bug has been filed
[10:24] <bugabundo_work> mvo: MvG: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/273049
[10:24] <bugabundo_work> sorry about the edge.... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/273049
[10:25] <Cheery> I'm planning to install ipex to a brand new P5Q with Core 2 Quad Q9450 along with 9800GTX
[10:26] <Cheery> and 8GB of ram
[10:26] <linux1> does anyone if this wireless card works outof the box with ibex Atheros ar242x
[10:26] <bugabundo_work> Cheery: its Ibex not ipex
[10:26] <Cheery> I seem to have some tendency to mistype it well
[10:27] <Jordan_U> linux1: I have that card and it works here
[10:27] <ikonia> chipset seems fairly well supported
[10:27] <bugabundo_work> Cheery: wait for 9.04 ... I can't spell that
[10:27] <linux1> Jordan_U, cool :) - what machine is it in btw ?
[10:28] <Jordan_U> linux1: Macbook Pro
[10:29] <linux1> Jordan_U, thanks was hoping you was going to say an apsire one
[10:29] <ikonia> linux1: it really doesn't matter what machiens it's in, it's the same chipset
[10:30] <linux1> ikonia, i know but im planing to get an apsire one later on today
[10:30] <ikonia> so ?
[10:31]  * Jordan_U wonders if all of his hardware would be supported in gnewsense now that ath5k supports his card
[10:31] <ikonia> Jordan_U: I guess the firmware would be the limiting factor if it was free/open or not
[10:32] <Jordan_U> ikonia: Firmware is on the card, ath5k is fully FSF approved, just wondering if I have anything else
[10:32] <ikonia> don't see why not then
[10:33] <linux1> ikonia, so if he had an apsire  one i was going to ask about it before i purchace the item ,someone told be the build qualty was bad just wanted someone else point of view
[10:33] <ikonia> linux1: try #hardware or the aspire forums
[10:35] <linux1> ikonia, ok will do
[11:27] <Ayabara> my system broke today. I get two errors when I start up. Something with ".. ABI Major Version", and "dri module mismatch"
[11:29] <Ayabara> anyone with a solution? how can I get to a shell with internet connection in recovery mode?
[12:10] <elmargol> Hi I try to connect to a WPA2 protected network using knetworkmanager. It does not work. and If i open the config dialog the password has changed to something else?
[12:10] <elmargol> Do I have to enter the password in a special format or something?
[12:40] <Ayabara> does fglrx work on 8.10 now?
[12:42] <sroecker> did someone else notice the intel video driver getting slower since 2 weeks or so?
[12:49] <Ayabara> anyone? I had my system setup for dualscreen with xrandr, but it no longer works
[12:50] <sroecker> dualscreen doesn't work anymore with fglrx?
[13:08] <hachaboob> Does anyone have a working copy of the Dust 20080921 GTK theme?
[13:12] <hachaboob> Nevermind. I found it.
[13:20] <XiXaQ> what's the current kernel in intrepid?
[13:21] <SwedeMike> 2.6.27
[13:23] <XiXaQ> hmm. I read somewhere that the version of ath5k that comes with 2.6.27 should support my wlan card, Atheros 5007, but it didn't seem to. Perhaps I should try again.
[14:56] <cuco> hi all, my 8.10 64bit machine dies as soon as the gui loads. from what i read i need to change the driver to vesa. i tried using "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" but it does not ask me to choose a driver and then xorg loads the defective card.
[14:56] <cuco> how can i configure the x server to use vesa?
[14:56] <cuco> ps: i have no console there - as soon as i move to the console, the machine locks up
[15:28] <tewk> nm-applet doesn't seem to remember my wep and wpa keys, I am running gnome-keyring-daemon.  Any pointers, places I can look to debug the problem?
[15:32] <woogens> tewk: I am experiencing the same problem. This might be covered with bug 245852
[15:33] <MvG> mvo: Finally upgraded to intrepid and rebooted. Result: no X. dkms_autoinstaller reports "fail". See http://rafb.net/p/ElfRoh20.html
[15:33] <MvG> Looks like an issue with the nvidia module.
[15:34] <mvo> MvG: lets move to #ubuntu-x and ask there
[15:44] <chakie_> hm, amarok1 on intrepid can't find ipods
[15:54] <W9ZEB> do we know what the final release date of Intrepid Ibex Final will be?
[15:54] <W9ZEB> other than, in october?
[15:54] <zniavre> 30
[15:54] <bazhang> 10/28
[15:54] <bazhang> or so
[15:54] <W9ZEB> alright, thanks.
[15:55] <W9ZEB> and betas are coming?  or will they go straight from Alphas to Final?
[15:55] <bazhang> yes there will be a beta
[15:55] <Pici> !schedule
[15:55] <W9ZEB> It's been a while since I've played with the "up and coming" Ubuntu
[15:55] <W9ZEB> like....  4.10 maybe
[16:08] <chakie_> hm, and sound also seems to be broken for me
[16:08] <chakie_> not that anything errors out, but there simply is no sound :)
[16:12] <d4t4min3r> when is the first beta due?
[16:12] <Pici> !schedule | d4t4min3r
[16:13] <d4t4min3r> ohh so we are on the last alpha.. no beta i see
[16:13] <d4t4min3r> pici
[16:14] <Pici> d4t4min3r: It says beta release on October 2nd
[16:20] <chakie_> doh, i signed up for some paid video guitar lessons, and having sound for those would of course be fun
[16:31] <baffle> Is there any good reason for me not being able to create a paravirtualized KVM guest in virt-manager on 8.10? That feature is grayed out. (i686)
[17:13] <Bauldrick> have the nvidia binaries just been updated, can 71 - 96 be used yet?
[17:26] <_Zeus_> i use 177...
[17:26] <_Zeus_> so i dunno
[17:41] <erle64-> is ooo 3.0 planned for ibex?
[17:45] <terminator_> erle64   I am running the beta now.
[17:52] <terminator_> I hope they leave the 3.0 ooo  in the ibex program
[18:48] <yao_ziyuan> i'm using intrepid + kde 4.1.1. there are two kdm's in my system monitor. is it normal?
[19:01] <djdano> Hey all, I'm having trouble getting my belkin wireless USB HUB to work with ubuntu, can anyone point me in the right direction, I don't see it mentioned on google / forums
[19:03] <Unksi> anyone else getting "dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `uml-net' in statoverride file" when updating?
[19:42] <lenios_> anyone tried to make a live usb persistent of intrepid?
[19:44] <lenios_> i followed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent and system freezes when starting the usb key
[19:47] <lenios_> that's probably related to mbr, syslinux or the prompt menu, but i don't know how to investigate
[20:17] <solarion> any idea why /dev/snd perms would be an issue at random intervals?
[20:17] <solarion> can't say I've had to chown sound devices for eons
[20:51] <esac> i have not installed any extra packages. jockey-gtk seems to be crashing, and when i try to report it, it tells me This is not a genuine Ubuntu package
[21:20] <sleepster> how can I add intrepid repositories?
[21:20] <Unksi> sleepster: if you wish to upgrade from hardy, you should use update-manager -d
[21:21] <sleepster> Unksi: oh thanks.. but actually I would like a package that is in the intrepid repos
[21:21] <sleepster> I don't want to upgrade
[21:21] <Unksi> ok, then i would go to packages.ubuntu.com and get it through there myself, unless it has lots of dependencies that hardy doesnt meet
[21:22] <sleepster> okay, thanks
[21:22] <Unksi> basically, if you just change hardy -> intrepid you get the intrepid repos
[21:22] <sleepster> oh I see.. when you say upgrade from hardy.. what's newer than hardy?
[21:22] <Unksi> but remember, that you are out of support if you mix the packages, they may cause serious breakage
[21:22] <Unksi> the packages^
[22:09] <pepie34> since the change to evdev my keyboard map is wrong at gdm
[22:10] <pepie34> how can i change that ?
[22:15] <Chousuke> I have a problem with kdm/gdm and kde 4 on Intrepid: all the fonts are unreadably small
[22:16] <Chousuke> seems to me like a dpi problem but I can't remember where to configure that; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg had no effect that I can see.
[22:16] <Chousuke> for some reason, gnome works, though.
[22:16] <thiblahute> Hin
[22:16] <thiblahute>  I would like to get some help to get an kde4 development environment with ubuntu intrepid
[22:16] <thiblahute>  I would like to use Kdevelop, (305)
[22:17] <thiblahute> 3.5
[22:17] <thiblahute> I installed evrything (includeing dev packages)
[22:19] <thiblahute> I am now trying to make the "simple kde4 application" working
[22:19] <thiblahute> I set
[22:19] <thiblahute> KDEDIRS > /usr/bin
[22:19] <thiblahute> KDEHOME > ~/.kde
[22:19] <thiblahute> LD_LIBRARY_PATH > /usr/lib
[22:20] <thiblahute> BUt don't know PKG_CONFIG_PATH and QT_PLUGIN_PATH
[22:20] <Chousuke> hooray. I managed to find the dpi setting "blind". now I can read the text
[22:20] <Chousuke> the root cause is still not solved though, as KDM still suffers from the same problem :/
[22:21] <Chousuke> thiblahute: it should autodetect those :/
[22:21] <thiblahute> No, in the readme, it's writen that I have to set them...
[22:21] <thiblahute> And If I don't nothing works...
[22:22] <thiblahute> Chousuke : Did you try it?
[22:22] <thiblahute> Here is th readme, http://paste.ubuntu.com/49447/
[22:24] <thiblahute> I also run the cmake ../
[22:25] <thiblahute> And evrything seems to be ok
[22:26] <thiblahute> Any idea?
[22:30] <thiblahute> Nobody use Kubuntu intrepid to develop KDE4???
[22:30] <Denise> nobody
[22:31] <thiblahute> Ok, thanls Denis !
[22:31] <thiblahute> e
[22:31] <Denise> Daviey
[22:31] <Denise> whos that
[22:32] <Denise> walker
[22:36] <Daviey> Hi Denise
[22:37] <Denise> hi
[22:39] <Denise> intranet
[23:03] <leche> which meta-package installs kde4 desktop in intrepid?
[23:05] <leche> ah, should be kubuntu-destkop
[23:07] <leche> ehm, kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[23:08] <jtechidna> not in Intrepid
[23:08] <Chousuke> I got kde4 from kubuntu-desktop in intrepid
[23:08] <Chousuke> and I have to say... it's buggy as hell
[23:09] <Chousuke> gnomeubuntu is in *much* better shape
[23:10] <mn> Do you think KDE 4.1 will be ready with intrepid by release time?
[23:10] <leche> Chousuke: yeah, just wanna test it, had some problems with the nm-applet in kde4
[23:10] <mn> I know I got the KDE4 kubuntu remix and it was buggy.  Then I upgraded to 4.1 on Hardy and it's great
[23:10] <leche> just want to see the actual state
[23:11] <mifritscher> hi
[23:11] <mifritscher> I've 2 big problems with my x61
[23:11] <Chousuke> mn: no.
[23:11] <mifritscher> -backlight control keys aren't working anymore (since 2 months)
[23:11] <Chousuke> in fact
[23:11] <Chousuke> I think KDE just broke
[23:11] <Chousuke> my session no longer works
[23:11] <mn> ah, that's a bummer
[23:11] <mn> I really like kde 4.1
[23:11] <mifritscher> -text consoles aren't working since 2 month
[23:11] <mifritscher> is a internal 965
[23:12] <Chousuke> it just fades to black and dies
[23:12] <Chousuke> wtf.
[23:12] <Chousuke> :(
[23:12] <mn> mifritscher: is it an x64?
[23:12] <mifritscher> mn: no
[23:12] <mn> i'm glad I decided not to upgrade to the alpha
[23:12] <jtechidna> that's not normal
[23:12] <mn> x32?
[23:12] <mifritscher> no, ibm x61
[23:13] <Chousuke> okay what is this
[23:13] <mn> oh
[23:13] <Chousuke> I have a black screen... that still displays notifications
[23:13] <Chousuke> ???
[23:13] <jtechidna> Plasma could be dying, maybe you have an old crufty config file
[23:13] <mn> does it show your windows?
[23:13] <Chousuke> no
[23:14] <Chousuke> jtechidna: I installed KDE4 half an hour ago
[23:14] <Chousuke> on a brand new ubuntu install
[23:14] <Chousuke> though
[23:14] <Chousuke> I do have ubuntu-desktop as well
[23:14] <Chousuke> but no KDE-related configs
[23:14] <mifritscher> I think it is a ubuntu kernel <-> gpu problem
[23:14] <jtechidna> weird, nobody else has been having those problems
[23:14] <Chousuke> ah
[23:14] <mifritscher> because the vesa vb driver doesn't wok, too
[23:14] <Chousuke> I forgot to boot after a kernel updae
[23:14] <mifritscher> which works on an old knoppix-cd^^
[23:14] <Chousuke> will do so now.
[23:15] <mifritscher> (that's the cause xen doesn't work with graphics, too)
[23:19] <Chousuke> well now I can at least get a KDE session
[23:20] <Chousuke> SCIM and blueplugd crashed though :P
[23:21] <Chousuke> also I get gnome applets in the systray :(
[23:26] <leche> hmm, kde4 doesnt seem to be able to handle more than one monitor, and, i got 7,7 sec lag here
[23:26] <leche> ok, lag is gone
[23:31] <outbri> leche: It doesn't let you run duals? I just installed it, don't know if I should restart X for a while though if it doesn't work.
[23:32] <leche> outbri: i can move windows to the second screen, but i cant rightclick or set wallpapers there
[23:32] <jumpkick> everytime firefox loads a page it freezes for about 2 seconds
[23:32] <jumpkick> does anyone else experience this with Ibex?
[23:32] <leche> maybe its a dolphin setting
[23:33] <outbri> leche: oh, hmm
[23:34] <outbri> jumpkick: to a degree, yes. a few pages, such as facebook, are unusable. the rest are either normal or a bunch of freezes
[23:34] <leche> or whats responible for icons and stuff in kde?
[23:34] <outbri> leche: not sure
[23:41] <Chousuke> hmm
[23:41] <Chousuke> removing libgconf gets rid of quite a lot of gnome stuff :D
[23:41] <Chousuke> (at least 180 packages depend on it)
[23:42] <dashnu> Anyone screwing around with Empathy yet?
[23:42] <dashnu> I works for gmail but not MSN for me
[23:42] <dashnu> it*
[23:44] <jumpkick> outbri: at least its not just my machine. Thanks. :D
[23:44] <DasE1> wouldn't it be a good idea to split displayconfig-gtk in two parts, one for monitor and the other for video driver only ?


[00:45] <TheMuso> superm1: You're a core-dev, so you should hae direct commit access to lp:~ubuntu-audio-dev/pulseaudio/ubuntu.precise
[01:03] <slangasek> lamont: did you file a bug about the nm-applet memory usage problem?  I'm seeing the same problem here (though I noticed it at < 3GB, I didn't wait for it to hit 6GB)
[01:04] <RAOF> slangasek: lifeless was also seeing that; I believe he filed a bug.
[01:06] <slangasek> RAOF: right, bug #930491 then - thanks
[01:16] <micahg> slangasek: I think cyphermox said he fixed some of that with the latest nm upload, but there's more to do
[01:18] <slangasek> micahg: ah, well, it's possible that fixing that bug is why nm-applet now won't *restart* for me ;)
[01:18] <slangasek> (glibc free() assert)
[02:21] <Sarvatt> 31mb usage after 2 days uptime here, nm-applet is definitely much better that it was here
[02:24] <cyphermox> slangasek: ah, will look into it. could you get me a backtrace (things work here, so it might be that you have some device I couldn't test and messed up)
[02:24] <slangasek> cyphermox: bug #936644
[02:24] <cyphermox> thanks
[02:24] <slangasek> so it's related to the new patch changes
[02:25] <cyphermox> yeah
[02:26] <cyphermox> I know what causes this, weird that this doesn't affect  me too though
[02:29] <lifeless> cyphermox: slangasek:
[02:29] <lifeless>  2386 robertc   20   0 3014m 1.8g  12m S    0 24.1  27:53.58 nm-applet
[02:30] <lifeless> Sarvatt: ^ not that much better :P
[02:30] <cyphermox> indeed
[02:30] <cyphermox> actually, it depends a lot on how much noise is around -- if there's a lot of changes in scan results, it tends to go up faster
[02:31] <lifeless> well, i have an N network
[02:31] <lifeless> and iwlwifi
[02:31] <cyphermox> something is still broken in the menu updates but I'm having a hard time tracking it down
[02:31] <lifeless> so my network reconnects like crazy
[02:31] <cyphermox> lifeless: ah
[02:31] <cyphermox> guess that would make sense yeah :/
[02:31] <lifeless> combined with it not remembering my credentials, thats pretty annoying (which is presumably related to the lack of themeing ...)
[02:31] <Sarvatt> wow, yeah the networks barely ever change here
[02:32] <cyphermox> Sarvatt: you're seeing it behaving better because before it was updating on every signal level change... a little too agressivel
[03:30] <superm1> TheMuso: yeah I realized that shortly later.  I pushed it through
[03:42] <TheMuso> superm1: ok thanks.
[03:56] <wzssyqa> gpg --export-secret-subkey xxxxxxxx > sub.gpg give an error: gpg: key yyyyyyyy: not protected - skipped why?
[07:43] <superm1> could someone clarify a seed question for me?  mythbuntu isos are fairly oversized right now.  if something that is only pulled in via recommends of something seeded is added to the mythbuntu.precise/blacklist file, will that keep it from getting pulled in or have some other undesirable effect?
[07:46] <dholbach> good morning
[08:20] <micahg> doko: would it be nice to drop gnat-4.4 for precise
[08:58] <Sweetshark> Hi there, looking for an package sponsor as piiti is on vacation.
[09:04] <tumbleweed> !sponsorship|Sweetshark
[09:10] <Sweetshark> tumbleweed: ok thx, let put that different: as pitti in on vacation, i need somebody else daring to upload libreoffice-3.5.0-1ubuntu1 to precise. its already parked on chinstrap and waiting to be picked up.
[09:11] <tumbleweed> ah, libreoffice. I can see why you may not want the usual queue
[09:12] <Sweetshark> tumbleweed: ;)
[09:41] <geser> Sweetshark: have you considered to apply for PPU rights for libreoffice so you can upload yourself in future?
[09:43] <dholbach> geser, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BjoernMichaelsen/YourDeveloperApplication :)
[09:44] <Sweetshark> dholbach: ;)
[09:45] <Sweetshark> i found a victim on #ubuntu-desktop it seems.
[09:46] <tumbleweed> more victims are also useful for endorsements on that PPU application. We like people to have worked with multiple sponsors
[09:46] <micahg> good, I was worried I was going to have nightmares worrying that it'll still need sponsoring in the morning my time :)
[09:51] <Sweetshark> micahg: the Linux philosophy is "laugh in the face of danger" http://groups.google.com/group/linux.dev.kernel/msg/74ee0b1d6420cd08
[09:59] <hrw> doko: what do you think about http://u.42.pl/2HXy patch? it is needed to get cross compiler built for multilib arm - I am keeping it in gcc-4.6/cross package
[10:30] <doko> hrw: why is this necessary?
[10:34] <hrw> doko: dpkg-shlibdeps otherwise is not able to find libc6 for armhf
[10:35] <hrw> doko: and vice versa if build for armhf
[12:08] <cortexuvula> Hi all. I have written an Quickly app and started a project on Launchpad. I have updated setup.py with the url of the project.   Clicking on Help-> Report a problem produce an error that this is not an ubuntu package
[12:09] <cortexuvula> my question is: How do I link the app and the project
[12:10] <kelemengabor> cyphermox: hi, could you take a look at the merge proposal for bug #875017 ?
[14:26] <cyphermox> kelemengabor: got my comments?
[14:27] <kelemengabor> cyphermox: yes
[14:28] <kelemengabor> I'll resubmit it, thanks
[14:32] <peaceZ> hello all
[14:33] <peaceZ> i wanted to burn de cd of pangolin to make some test but it is 715mb and i could not overburn it using brasero and k3b on a 700mb cd :d
[14:33] <peaceZ> what to do please except than buy 800mb cd ? is it some files i can delete without problems ? as languages files or anything low importance ?
[14:38] <apw> jodh, is this one actually upstart? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/936256
[14:40] <jodh> apw: Just marked it as dup of 935585.
[14:48] <cyphermox> peaceZ: no, you pretty much need all the files (or what you could remove isn't likely to give you enough space). as an alternative you could burn the ISO image to a USB key if you have one large enough
[14:49] <apw> bug #935585
[14:52] <apw> is the unity-video lens nailing the crap out of their disk for anyone else?
[14:53] <seb128> apw, not that I noticed but I'm on a ssd and I don't watch ios closely, you should open a bug if that happens to you in any case ;-)
[14:53] <apw> seb128, it seems to be reading everything in my home directory
[14:54] <seb128> urg
[14:54] <apw> its been humping my disk for 10m now
[14:54] <apw> -o /home/apw/.cache/unity-lens-video/videos.db -l 0 -U /home/apw
[14:54] <apw> it doesn't seem to be limiting itself to my videos directory
[14:55] <seb128> apw, report a bug please, what value has XDG_VIDEOS_DIR in .config/user-dirs.dirs?
[14:56] <apw> $ grep XDG_VIDEOS_DIR ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[14:56] <apw> XDG_VIDEOS_DIR="$HOME/"
[14:56] <apw> this is one of those where if you remove empty directories which you don't use the desktop loses its mind, isn't it
[14:56] <seb128> apw, that might be part of the issue
[14:56] <seb128> apw, yes ;-)
[14:57] <apw> that happened with pictures as well, as they were empty i don't have them
[14:57] <seb128> well it fallback to the dir under the one your deleted
[14:57] <seb128> so Videos -> user dir
[14:57] <seb128> it's a bad idea to delete the standard xdg dirs
[14:57] <seb128> not sure how we can message that to users though
[14:57] <peaceZ> cyphermox, my laptop does not enable usb boot, unluckily, thank you for your reply
[14:58] <seb128> one way would be to recreate them for you at every login :p
[14:58] <apw> or perhaps we could just behave sensibly in the face of resonable user behaviour
[14:58] <apw> seb128, if i remake it will the world recover ?
[14:58] <seb128> apw, prompt a dialog asking if you are sure to want to remove those directory with a warning of the side effects?
[14:58] <apw> seb128, and against what do i file a bug, i'd not like to blame unity when its not
[14:59] <seb128> apw, you can just tweak .config/user-dirs.dirs to whatever dir you want the video dir to be
[15:00] <apw> seb128, ok i'll do that, i should file a bug, even if it gets closed 'Don't do that', so that others can find the symptoms
[15:00] <seb128> apw, right, I'm trying to figure what they do, if they just index the video dir it's technically not a bug on their side, it's not especially new
[15:01] <seb128> we keep getting bugs about nautilus getting really slow because people delete "Templates"
[15:01] <apw> the video lens is brand spanking new though isn't it
[15:01] <seb128> and the dir fallback to the user dir
[15:01] <seb128> then nautilus tries to build templates with your whole userdir content
[15:01] <apw> perhaps we should fall back to '.empty' and make one thats empty
[15:01] <seb128> apw, right, the issues due to xdg dirs deletions are not new though
[15:01] <apw> seb128, oh i probabally have that too
[15:02] <seb128> apw, ideally we would lock down the dirs on the fs and don't let users delete them or something
[15:02] <seb128> or at least display a warning dialog when somebody does saying they are asking for issues
[15:02] <apw> its a bit of a strange paradimn though, as it makes sense to keep everything say to do with ones 'wedding' in one place
[15:03] <seb128> apw, well, we could fallback to an empty dir yes, but then you would get i.e no video indexed and not understand why
[15:03] <apw> so forceing me to put my videos in one place and pictures in another for an event ... is going to hurt heads
[15:03] <seb128> apw, until we get something that doesn't suck to replace inotify we can't do much better
[15:04] <apw> what is inotify missing which prevents this from working ?
[15:04] <seb128> apw, you can't watch your whole user dir
[15:04] <seb128> it's limited to 32k watches or something
[15:04] <seb128> so basically you have to watch the main dir and go through all the subdir every time something change
[15:04] <seb128> you can't tell inotify "just let me know when something in the user dir change"
[15:05] <seb128> or rather "let me know what changed"
[15:08] <seb128> apw, well in any case yes please open a bug on "unity-lens-video", I will comment on it
[15:08] <apw> seb128, i can see why, that would be vastly expensive for the kernel to do
[15:08] <seb128> apw, I think it should be easy to just not index if the Video dir is the user dir
[15:08] <apw> it would have to know that someone was watching somewhere higher in the hierachy
[15:08] <seb128> apw, well the bottom line is that there is no way to monitor files through an user dir which is not io expensive
[15:09] <apw> whcih would be a lock heavy and extremly time consuming operation on every single io
[15:09] <apw> seb128, how about we have a Media directory instead
[15:09] <seb128> apw, well we have music, pictures and videos
[15:09] <seb128> they could be subdir of a media though
[15:10] <seb128> apw, but yeah, those could do with some design thinking
[15:10] <apw> i wonder what happens if i point them all to Media/ which is what i mean really
[15:10] <seb128> thing is that you don't want shotwell to index your music for example
[15:10] <apw> so i can have Media/wedding/*
[15:10] <seb128> or rhythmbox to index your photos
[15:10] <apw> i would hope shotwell would know that a tarball isn't something it can index
[15:10] <apw> and same with rhythmbox
[15:11] <seb128> I guess design will said that the solution would be to have one application doing music, video and photos
[15:11] <seb128> apw, right, they still watch their library though
[15:11] <apw> yeah probabally
[15:11] <seb128> the more you watch, the more you wake up looking at stuff to see that you don't care about those
[15:11] <seb128> anyway
[15:12] <seb128> going back to the issue
[15:12] <seb128> please open a bug on unity-lens-video saying that it gets confused when the video xdg got deleted
[15:12] <seb128> and please subscribe me to the bug ;-)
[15:12] <seb128> I doubt we will address the different directories for different medias this cycle
[15:12] <seb128> but we can probably handle the cases where some xdg dir needed got deleted
[15:13] <apw> no probabally not as i am not sure design agree my concern is valid anyhow
[15:13] <apw> in their model i mean
[15:13] <seb128> would it be by displaying a dialog at login telling about the issue and the side effect it has an asking you if you want to pick another dir for $MEDIA
[15:13]  * apw will file something, and go remake these directories
[15:13] <seb128> login or whenever it detects that the directory is being deleted
[15:16] <apw> does anyone know what the offical matrix key binding is? as i have it appearing at random
[15:19] <seb128> apw, alt
[15:20] <apw> seb128, doing what with alt?  single press?
[15:20] <seb128> apw, that's a known bug, should be fixed this week, it appear if you alt-tab sometimes or if you alt-screenshot
[15:20] <seb128> apw, yes, a simple tap, i.e just press and relax without using other keys
[15:20] <seb128> apw, though it's buggy and i.e alt-printscreen or sometimes alt-tab done quickly will trigger it
[15:21] <seb128> bug #925293
[15:21] <seb128> apw, ^
[15:21] <apw> ahh ok, thats odd as i didn't think it was single-tap from playing with it, but double, strange
[15:22] <apw> seb128, are cursors mean to work once you have typed a term ?
[15:23] <seb128> apw, cursors?
[15:23] <apw> seb128, i am looking for something to select anything other than the first entry in the suggestions list
[15:23] <seb128> oh, you mean in the hud? down arrow should work
[15:23] <seb128> it works for me
[15:23] <apw> it seems to highlight the first one, nothing seems to work here
[15:24] <seb128> keypad arrows don't work though
[15:24] <seb128> if that's what you try
[15:24] <seb128> but the normal "down" arrow should go down
[15:25] <apw> seb128, what keysym is it bound to ?
[15:25] <apw> doesn't work with any of the down arrows on any of my keyboards
[15:26] <seb128> dunno, it works for me with
[15:26] <seb128>     state 0x10, keycode 116 (keysym 0xff54, Down), same_screen YES,
[15:26] <seb128> i.e "Down"
[15:26] <apw> seb128, ok mine is producing Down, and no dice
[15:26] <seb128> you might want to ask on #ubuntu-unity about it
[15:27] <apw> i'll file a bug
[15:27] <apw> any idea what one files matrix things in ?
[15:28] <seb128> apw, https://code.launchpad.net/~gordallott/unity/hud/+merge/90085
[15:28] <seb128> that was the feature merge
[15:28] <seb128> it might have code clues
[15:29] <seb128> gord, ^
[15:29] <seb128> apw, gord might be able to help you, he did most of the unity side of the hud
[15:29] <apw> seb128, Videos thingy filed and you sub'd
[15:29] <seb128> gord, is there any known issue where down doesn't work to navigate through the hud suggestions?
[15:29] <seb128> apw, thanks
[15:30] <apw> seb128, interesting the keys which produce Left and Right work to move in the entry box ok
[15:31] <gord> seb128, saw the same issue with the dash earlier, not looked at it yet though
[15:31] <seb128> unity bug then I guess...
[15:32] <apw> gord, xev says my up and down arrows produce Up and Down as keys, so i am a bit confused
[15:34] <apw> seb128, i've got those numbers stuck on again, having fiddled with hud for a bit, perplexing
[15:35] <seb128> apw, what numbers?
[15:35] <apw> seb128, the black numbers in the launcher, when you hold for a while on Super
[15:35] <apw> the hints for the Super+<n> functionaolity
[15:35] <apw> have one of my launchers with them stuck on
[15:36] <seb128> oh, weird
[15:36] <apw> seb128, so is the hud bug to be filed against unity?
[15:36] <seb128> apw, yes
[15:36] <seb128> gord, should that down arrow bug assigned to you?
[15:37] <apw> how odd, when yo uhave the launchers on the screen a
[15:37] <apw> and hit alt, all your launchers go away even though only one needs to
[15:37] <apw> is that intended
[15:38] <gord> seb128, i guess, I don't really know enough about it to say where the issue is really, i'll farm it off wherever once i know more so can't hurt
[15:38] <seb128> gord, ok, thanks
[15:38] <seb128> apw, not sure, doesn't hurt to open a bug and get design to look at it
[15:46] <apw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/937025
[15:46] <apw> seb128, ^^ for the HUD cursor issue
[15:46] <seb128> apw, thanks
[15:54] <apw> gord, ok i just logged out and back in to fix my launcher icons, and i seem to have hud up/down working now
[15:54] <apw> so it may be random whether they work or not
[15:56] <apw> seb128, ^^
[15:56] <seb128> seems so, gord said he got it once as well
[16:10] <m4n1sh> ev: ping
[16:10] <ev> m4n1sh: pong
[16:11] <m4n1sh> ev: do you have time to refactor the whoopsie code
[16:11] <ev> m4n1sh: yup, been working on it all day
[16:11] <m4n1sh> and split it out of ccpanel_foo_init method
[16:11] <m4n1sh> cool
[16:11] <m4n1sh> I cant seem to get my way around it
[16:11] <m4n1sh> i am bad at C
[16:11] <ev> no worries
[16:11] <ev> I'm on top of it
[16:11] <m4n1sh> yeah!!
[16:11] <m4n1sh> :)
[16:11] <ev> I'll propose a branch hopefully by the end of the day
[16:11] <m4n1sh> releasing on wed
[16:11] <m4n1sh> yes, All my worries gone
[16:11] <m4n1sh> thanks
[16:13] <lamont> slangasek: nm memory - I was waiting to reproduce it since I had upgraded a bunch of things
[16:22] <noodles775> Hi. Are there known issues with precise upgrades at the moment (nvidia perhaps?). I've just updated an hour ago (hadn't done so for a while), and after reboot can only login to a recovery console.
[16:23]  * noodles775 takes a photo.
[16:26] <noodles775> http://people.canonical.com/~michaeln/tmp/IMAG1140.jpg
[16:26]  * noodles775 checks if nvidia issue from the other week was resolved.
[16:43] <noodles775> Hrm, checking dpkg.log seems to show that most of y system has been removed (I blindly did `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` and hit Y without checking the packages) :/
[16:44] <damg> noodles775, I've installed today's daily today and had this issue after login for 30 seconds, then X logged me into unity
[16:44] <damg> after that I've installed proprietary though and didn't experience the problem anymore
[16:47] <noodles775> damg: yeah, as above, I've just checked my dpkg.log and seen that it's unrelated to a driver issue, but rather that many packages were removed when I just updated (including essential stuff like software-center, gnome-panel, unity-2d etc.)
[16:47] <damg> hehe
[16:48] <noodles775> `cat /var/log/dpkg.log | grep 2012-02-20.*remove | wc -l` -> 52
[16:52] <damg> how does unity decide whether an application window will be managed by it. it seems that it ignores blender in alt-tab or on its icon clicks.
[16:53] <damg> hm, it doesn't even get focus. pressing alt calls the menu of the next app below it.
[17:06] <bulldog98> cjwatson: hello we the kubuntu team is working on an active image (aka mobile) could you please build following seed? lp:~kubuntu-active/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu-active-seed/
[17:06] <bulldog98> thanks
[17:16] <slangasek> lamont: looks like the nm memory bug is well understood now
[18:25] <Riddell> bulldog98: it's not quite as easy as just asking cjwatson to build a seed :)  I'm looking at script to be fiddled now
[18:26] <bulldog98> Riddell: ok ping me if finished, I’ll test it then
[18:27] <slangasek> hallyn: the AT_EMPTY_PATH issue now also affects qemu-linaro, apparently
[18:27] <Riddell> bulldog98: it's probably not today, needs bits put on servers that I don't have access to
[18:28] <bulldog98> Riddell: ah ok
[18:40] <lamont> slangasek: cool
[19:47] <int_ua> I want to report a bug against renice but I can't find it's upstream bug tracker.
[19:51] <int_ua> Can anyone help me?
[19:53] <int_ua> Since it's bsdutils I don't think that nor Ubuntu neither Debian bug trackers are the best choice
[19:53] <int_ua> but since it's fundamental part
[19:53] <int_ua> Anyone?
[21:03] <pitti> mdz: hey Matt, are you there for TB meeting?
[21:44] <jodh> Hi - is there anyone about with build-rescore-superpowers that can bump
[21:44] <jodh> https://launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/+archive/bug-935585/+packages ?
[21:45]  * jodh double-checks to see if emacs has a build-rescore function...
[21:46] <stgraber> jodh: done
[21:47] <jodh> stgraber: thanks very much! emacs drew a blank. Wonder if it's got
[21:47] <jodh> a make-me-a-build-rescore-function function?...


[00:00]  * jalcine_ is away: Gone away for now
[03:33] <DoctorPepper> hi guys !!!
[04:58] <ronnoc_> hi all. you maybe aware of this, or not; and it may be Kubuntu specific, or not (not sure) - But posting here for the sake of diligence http://osdir.com/ml/kubuntu-users/2012-03/msg00110.html
[05:59] <ybit> http://youtu.be/WRMy20z6luo
[05:59] <ybit> what's with this?
[05:59] <ybit> ugly animations in the latest version of kubuntu
[06:33] <ybit> http://youtu.be/WRMy20z6luo :: what's with these ugly animations?
[07:17] <fabo> Riddell: your latest changes on Qt aren't commited in the repo. Do you mind if I push them?
[07:23] <micahg> fabo: was there a reason we didn't push libzip 0.10 for precise?
[07:25] <fabo> micahg: it's binary incompatible. it took some time to transition in Debian. The transition finished recently. We can sync request now.
[07:26] <micahg> fabo: it'll need an FFe + commitment for the transition
[07:26] <micahg> oh, not too big
[07:26] <micahg> only 11 packages, it'll fix a depwait as well
[07:27] <micahg> fabo: were you planning on filing the paperwork?
[07:27] <fabo> the transition was pretty safe
[07:27] <fabo> micahg: I can do
[07:27] <micahg> fabo: thanks
[07:36] <fabo> Riddell: pushed. I assumed you don't mind :)
[08:19] <Riddell> fabo: thanks
[08:20] <fabo> Riddell: I commited the changes to fix bug 911733
[08:20] <Riddell> yep, thanks
[09:31] <DoctorPepper> shadeslayer:  are u here ?
[09:43] <schnelle> fabo: thanks for fixing bug 911733 :)
[09:44] <fabo> schnelle: yw :)
[09:48] <schnelle> fabo: this is precise only, right? this won't be backported to qt 4.8 from oneiric backports?
[09:53] <fabo> schnelle: looking in the backport atm. it will be another bug for backporting.
[09:54] <fabo> schnelle: in oneiric, it's 4.7.4
[09:56] <DoctorPepper> can anyone tell how i can upgrade  to 12.04 beta ,  since kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade   says  No new release found
[09:56] <schnelle> fabo: yes it's 4.7.4 in official repository. but if one (like me) is using backports to get kde 4.8, he also gets qt 4.8 from backports
[09:58] <schnelle> fabo: hmm i think i missunderstood you. you said basicly the same thing as i did. sorry :)
[10:17] <schnelle> DoctorPepper: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[10:19] <DoctorPepper> schnelle: No new release found
[10:21] <schnelle> DoctorPepper: hmm it works for me in oneiric
[12:01] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:21] <Peace-> firefox will not integrated anymore on kubuntu ?
[12:21] <Peace-> or this is a fake new ?
[12:22] <Riddell> the ubuntu packager is removing the important patch
[12:22] <Riddell> debfx: I think I have someone who would like to have a PPA with a patched firefox in it, would you be willing to help?
[12:22] <Riddell> help set it up
[12:23] <Peace-> how stupid is the guy that has done this ?
[12:23] <Peace-> how much*
[12:24] <Peace-> who is ?
[12:24] <Riddell> not stupid.  canonical I expect
[12:25] <Peace-> i think that who has done this is stupid
[12:27] <tsdgeos> what does the dropped patch do?
[12:28] <Peace-> tsdgeos: i guess open the open dialog kde
[12:28] <debfx> Riddell: I don't think it's feasible to maintain a patched firefox in a ppa
[12:28] <Riddell> tsdgeos: talk to mozilla kde helper which does things like open kde dialogues
[12:28] <Riddell> debfx: because firefox changes so much?
[12:29] <Peace-> so we get rekonq that crash all the time and firefox that sucks on style
[12:30] <debfx> and chromium which has a working kde integration
[12:30] <Peace-> well it's the only pseudo decent browser
[12:31] <debfx> Riddell: yes
[12:37] <Sifrazooy> hey does any one knows where i can find dolphin documentations
[12:38] <Riddell> Sifrazooy: I don't understand your question
[12:39] <Sifrazooy> Riddell:  i want to add and use some functionalities in dolphin
[12:40] <Peace-> Sifrazooy: like ?
[12:40] <Sifrazooy> Riddell: for more details i want to be able to retreive the right click list on dolphin file manager and reuse them again
[12:40] <Riddell> Sifrazooy: if you want to know how to make plugins for debian the right people to ask are kde developers who have an irc channel of #kde-devel
[12:40] <Riddell> s/debian/dolphin/
[12:40] <kubotu> Riddell meant: "Sifrazooy: if you want to know how to make plugins for dolphin the right people to ask are kde developers who have an irc channel of #kde-devel"
[12:41] <Sifrazooy> Riddell: thnx for help :D
[12:41] <BluesKaj> debfx,  not a really good kde integration with chromium and kde the tabfonts etc are trill too small to read on a large monitor and they can't be resized
[12:41] <BluesKaj> still too small
[12:42] <debfx> BluesKaj: I didn't say it's perfect but at least it exists
[12:45] <debfx> BluesKaj: have you filed a bug about that?
[12:45] <BluesKaj> debfx,  yeah, takes up less real estate than FF
[12:45] <BluesKaj> 'yes about 18mos ago
[12:47] <BluesKaj> don't think it was ever assigned ..not many ppl use a 42" monitor, so the font appears fine on most desktops and laptops
[13:28] <debfx> fabo: do you have some time to review a few changes for the qt package?
[13:36] <fabo> debfx: soon to be busy for the next 2h30. I could put in queue after that.
[13:38] <debfx> fabo: that would be great :), the patches are in http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/qt4/
[13:38] <fabo> np
[13:39] <debfx> they are based on the debian experimental branch
[13:39] <debfx> but I also want to push 0002 and 3 to precise
[14:20] <tsdgeos> Riddell: so that firefox-kde helper was removed because: a) did not compile b) has no maintainer c) it is policy not to ship distro patches d) anything else
[14:29] <debfx> tsdgeos: it was removed because it's difficult and time consuming to maintain such a large patch with firefox's rapid release schedule
[14:32] <tsdgeos> debfx: because api changes?
[14:34] <ScottK> And no one to do the work.
[14:42] <andreaxxx> hello! any workaround for bug #941989?
[14:44] <Riddell> andreaxxx: user support in #kubuntu
[14:46] <andreaxxx> Riddell: for 12.04 too?
[14:50] <Riddell> andreaxxx: yes or try #kubuntu+1 or #ubuntu+1
[14:50] <andreaxxx> ty ;)
[15:37] <Riddell> muon uses zeitgeist now?
[15:43] <ScottK> fabo: I approved your libzip FFe, but please get it done quickly.
[15:47] <fabo> ScottK: thanks
[15:47] <ScottK> fabo: If there's anything that needs a sync that you don't have upload rights for, let me know.
[15:48] <fabo> micahg: paperwork done, now we need to push the stuff ^^^
[15:49] <micahg> fabo: ok, are we sure the reverse dependencies will build with a no change rebuild?
[15:49] <fabo> ScottK: libzip should be merged, trigger rebuild on  the 7 known good packages
[15:49] <ScottK> micahg: See the bug.  All but two.
[15:49] <fabo> yes
[15:50] <fabo> then push the 2 changes for the remaining packages
[15:50] <ScottK> fabo: merge or sync?  We don't have a current diff for libzip
[15:50] <micahg> fabo should have sync rights for libzip as a kubuntu-dev
[15:50] <fabo> ScottK: sync
[15:51] <fabo> ah cool :)
[15:51] <micahg> fabo: just close the bug please when syncing (-b XXXXXX)
[15:51] <ScottK> Oh.  Give it a try then.
[15:51] <fabo> ok
[15:51] <micahg> fabo: have you tried syncpackage yet?
[15:51] <ScottK> micahg: Shouldn't it stay open until the transition is done?
[15:51] <fabo> micahg: no, it will be my 1st try
[15:51] <micahg> ScottK: well, if we want to be technical about it, we should just add bug tasks for the packages and have each one closed on upload/sync :)
[15:52] <ScottK> Yes.  Easier just to close it by hand when done.
[15:52] <micahg> with tasks though, LP will record as you go, so you're never wondering where you are :)
[15:53] <micahg> fabo: I can go through the rest in a few hours, I have to finish something else up
[15:53] <micahg> or have ScottK do them
[15:54]  * ScottK can do the syncs after libzip is built and published.
[15:54] <fabo> I'll syncpackage for libzip and let you do the remaining packages?
[15:58]  * fabo back in 5min, call in progress...
[15:59] <ScottK> Are they syncs or no change rebuilds?
[16:00] <ScottK> You should be able to do ebook-tools too.
[16:33] <fabo> ScottK: syncpackage done. the 7 other packages are no change rebuilds.
[16:33] <ScottK> OK.
[16:34] <ScottK> fabo: Is this your first Ubuntu "upload"?
[16:34] <fabo> ScottK: no, I've done Qt (this morning)
[16:34] <ScottK> Ah.  Cool.  Congratulations on that one then.
[16:34] <fabo> thanks :)
[16:35] <fabo> ScottK: is there's a way to find which packages I'm allowed to upload?
[16:36] <Riddell> I think there is a magic command that I can never remember
[16:36] <Riddell> cjwatson will know
[16:36] <ScottK> Yes.  There is.
[16:36] <ScottK> micahg should know too.
[16:36] <fabo> k
[16:36] <debfx> edit_acl.py -P kubuntu -S precise query
[16:37] <debfx> from https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/ubuntu-archive-tools/trunk
[16:37] <fabo> thanks
[16:38] <micahg> fabo: if you're wondering about a specific packages, there's also ubuntu-upload-permission in ubuntu-dev-tools
[16:38] <fabo> ok
[16:45] <fabo> micahg: bug 959103
[16:46] <micahg> fabo: yes?
[16:46] <fabo> just replied to your comment
[16:48] <micahg> fabo: that should go on the other bug, you can mark the backport request as a duplicate and target the other bug to oneiric
[16:48] <fabo> k
[16:49] <micahg> fabo: FYI, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure
[16:50] <micahg> fabo: let me know if you need sponsorship for it, as I'm piloting in ~10 hours
[16:52] <fabo> micahg: I've nominated the bug for oneiric, subscribed ubuntu-sru and going to prepare the release-proposed package
[16:53] <micahg> fabo: sounds good, task approved


[11:45] <nzoueidi> Hey folks
[12:27] <vadmeste> Hey nzoueidi
[13:12] <nzoueidi> how are you vadmeste
[14:11] <vadmeste> I am good, thanks and you nzoueidi ?
[14:11] <nzoueidi> am good as well


[02:31] <evilbug> hey.
[02:32] <evilbug> how long will it be until ubuntu mobile is out? (i'm not lookin for a specific answer,but something like a few months,more than a year,etc.)
[06:22] <dholbach> good morning
[06:59] <Xiliath> if i can't get "hildon clutter home ui (test)" to launch, is there somthing that i might be missing from Ubuntu-mobile?
[07:02] <S_A> Hi! can Ubuntu Mobile be used for a thin client as a base for minimal distro ?
[07:09] <Xiliath> i dont think ubuntu-mobile would work so well on one
[07:09] <Xiliath> you could do a minimal hardy install, and install the hildon desktop instead of gnome
[07:21] <S_A> Xiliath! how much of space this will eat ? any idea ?
[07:22] <Xiliath> not off hand
[07:22] <Xiliath> but i know hildon is minimal
[07:22] <Xiliath> but you have to manually set it up
[07:23] <Xiliath> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=582867
[07:23] <Xiliath> that link shows you how to add hildon as an xsession
[07:26] <Xiliath> you could take the new hardy .iso and use UCK and probally add in hildon for a custom ubuntu install just for what you need
[08:30] <Xiliath> if i can't get "hildon clutter home ui (test)" to launch, anyone have any idea what might be missing, also pidgin just hangs after i attempt to open it
[11:12] <Xiliath> anybody here who might be able to provide some help with ume
[12:44] <lool> Xiliath: Just ask your question, don't ask to ask :)
[12:45] <lool> Xiliath: Oh the clutter thing you asked earlier perhaps?
[12:45] <lool> Xiliath: This is a known issue
[12:49] <Xiliath> yeah? i'm trying to get it to run, but the application does nothing
[12:50] <Xiliath> i didn't know if it was somthign i didn't do that was preventing it from running
[13:23] <Xiliath> lool, what about network manager, i don't see a status icon or anything, nor is there a .desktop file
[13:24] <Xiliath> or at least i haven't located it yet
[13:28] <persia> Xiliath: The applet should be at the top of the screen.
[13:30] <Xiliath> as in next to the volume control?
[13:31] <Xiliath> for whatever reason it's not, the app is not in the /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-bar/ folder
[13:32] <persia> Hmm.  It was on my last image.  Updating...
[13:33] <Xiliath> i think i'm running beta 3 hardy
[13:33] <jackiejacker> where can I find images to run with qemu
[13:34] <Xiliath> last i read it wasn't working with qemu
[13:34] <persia> jackiejacker: You can't.  The qemu simulated video hardware doesn't work with the selected driver
[13:35] <jackiejacker> persia, oo :(
[13:40] <jackiejacker> persia, so i can only test run with xypher
[13:41] <pavolklacansky> hello
[13:41] <pavolklacansky> how can i try ubuntu mobile on desktop?
[13:41] <Xiliath> well you could use image-creator
[13:41] <persia> jackiejacker: Currently, only xephyr, supported hardware, or a custom hack.
[13:41] <Xiliath> and burn a live version to test
[13:42] <Xiliath> or you could run hildon on ubuntu to get a small look, but not everything works
[13:42] <Xiliath> and it's not really UME
[13:42] <pavolklacansky> ??
[13:44] <agoliveira> pavolklacansky: You can either create a image with supoport for your specific hardware or use Xephyr, please, read the docs. There's a session abou Xephyr.
[13:44] <jackiejacker> persia, well i have a n810 so i can use that to test.. i saw some progression there @ elinux
[13:44] <pavolklacansky> thx i will read them
[13:44] <Xiliath> pavolklacansky, you can go here for using image creator, and create an image to use on a usb device to boot from.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/CreatingAnImageForUMEDevice
[13:45] <Xiliath> or use xephyr
[13:45] <persia> jackiejacker: ARM isn't currently a supported CPU.  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/FAQ
[13:46] <Xiliath> i have a question about using xephyr, after i launch it, what should i see in the display?
[13:46] <Xiliath> when I launch it all i get is a gray box
[13:46] <persia> Xiliath: An uninitialised screen buffer.
[13:47] <persia> That'd be right.  Now, launch some WM targeting the virtual display.
[13:48] <Xiliath> from a different terminal?
[13:49] <persia> Or the same terminal (Xephyr runs fine as a background process, if a little noisily)
[13:50] <Xiliath> i can't run any other processes from the same terminal
[13:51] <persia> Xiliath: In that case, another terminal would be fine.
[13:52] <persia> Remember to launch Xephyr from your host, and the WM from your test chroot.
[13:52] <Xiliath> yeah
[13:52] <Xiliath> has there been a problem with image-creator allowing packages to be installed or updated?
[13:53] <Xiliath> there's a dns problem with using target terminal once you install f-sets
[13:53] <jackiejacker> persia, http://mojo.handhelds.org/frisky
[13:54] <persia> jackiejacker: Sure.  Please test that: it would be nice to have it in great shape.  It's not UME, but it's a step towards proper ARM support.
[13:55] <jackiejacker> persia, why isn't that ume
[13:56] <persia> Different default package sets.  Different versions.  Different goals.
[13:56] <suihkulokki> fwiw, ther debian/lenny armel port is in better condition than the feisty-based ubuntu arm port..
[13:56] <Xiliath> if they get ubuntu almost completely ported over to arm it's make getting ume ported over alot easier
[14:18] <davmor2> issues with notepad still not opening
[14:19] <davmor2> :(
[14:31] <lool> ToddBrandt: Around?
[15:59] <davmor2> Guys is mousepad meant to be the notepad of choice?
[16:38] <lool> davmor2: That question sounds like you're not happy with it :)
[16:39] <davmor2> lool: not that it doesn't run.  It crashes out if it is meant to be the default
[16:40] <davmor2> lool: clicking on the icon does nothing so I looked through the list in /usr/bin and noticed mousepad and ran it from cli it dies badly
[16:41] <smagoun> davmor2: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/matchbox-keyboard/+bug/205871
[16:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205871 in matchbox-keyboard "[Hardy+PPA]:Intergrated mousepad but cannot launch it from console, shows "segment fault" error" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:44] <davmor2> smagoun: ta that's very similar :)  I added to this bug that I found though https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mobile/+bug/214066 maybe they should be linked?
[16:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 214066 in ubuntu-mobile "Notepad fails to launch" [High,Confirmed]
[16:45] <smagoun> davmor2: done
[16:45] <davmor2> :)
[16:47] <davmor2> does anyone know why /usr/games isn't in $PATH as well.  Thats the reason that the games won't run :)
[16:48] <davmor2> bug 217758
[16:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217758 in ubuntu-mobile "Games issues" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217758
[18:36] <pavolklacansky> hello where can i translate it to slovak language?
[18:38] <GrueMaster> inuka_desk: ping.  Need info on rebuilding kernel for lpia.
[18:40] <inuka_desk> GrueMaster: https://umd.jf.intel.com/projects/umd/wiki/PSBmanual
[18:41] <GrueMaster> Thanks.  This info should be on moblin.org as well.
[18:44] <GrueMaster> oops, this is just for the kernel modules for the video drivers.  I'm talking about rebuilding the kernel package with added patches or changing the config file.
[18:44] <inuka_desk> GrueMaster: oh ok hold on
[18:45] <inuka_desk> GrueMaster: the wiki is not upto date let me send you an email
[18:48] <GrueMaster> send it to me @intel.  I need to forward it to Folsom.
[18:48] <GrueMaster> thanks
[18:51] <inuka_desk> GrueMaster: sent
[18:54] <GrueMaster> got it.  Will forward it on.  He reported that it built an i386.deb package, but not an lpia package.
[18:54] <GrueMaster> He might not have been in a MIC project area.
[19:06] <inuka_desk> will send you an other e-mail
[19:17] <lool> smagoun: I moved that matchbox-kbd bug to moblin-other; it's not affecting Ubuntu, only UME, moblin and customer builds
[19:33] <smagoun> lool: thanks. I had that change in a browser window, forgot to hit submit!
[21:10] <lool> smagoun: ah
[21:10] <lool> k
[21:33] <lool> bfiller: fixed here
[21:33] <lool> bfiller: I'll push
[21:34] <bfiller> lool: I would have done it, but thank you :)
[21:34] <bfiller> lool: and sorry about that
[21:36] <lool> bfiller: Eh you didn't know
[21:45] <lool> bfiller: Pushed
[21:46] <bfiller> lool: thanks, I pushed a patch earlier this afternoon to fix a crash, I will push new package into PPA
[21:47] <lool> Okely
[21:47] <lool> Thanks