[07:09] <|progenic|> edit it in bashrc ?
[07:09] <|progenic|> what like to type ?
[07:09] <Pizbit> |progenic|: Add it to .bashrc or .bash_profile (which ever one has $PATH
[07:09] <kapputu> hi Pizbit
[07:09] <Hikaru79> export PATH=$PATH:/usr/jdk1.5.0/bin
[07:09] <kapputu> hi hiky
[07:09] <Hikaru79> That's what mine says
[07:10] <Hikaru79> Just put in your own directory :)
[07:10] <Hikaru79> Hey, kappu :)
[07:10] <Hikaru79> Pizbit, still not working :(
[07:10] <jdub> xio04: as hands off as we can possibly make it :)
[07:11] <Pizbit> Hikaru79: Erm, isn't /usr/bin in your path anyway? Why not just put in exec cgoban ?
[07:11] <jdub> xio04: if it asks a question about your hardware to configure X, we regard it as a bug (with either your hardware, or ubuntu)
[07:12] <Pizbit> jdub: It's just not fair:)
[07:12] <xio04> nice, i might think about installing it.
[07:13] <xio04> another question:  does it use synaptic as the apt-get gui?  i just installed it on my debian box, and it doesn't seem as user friendly as xandro, or linspire.
[07:13] <burnboy> is there anything in ubuntu that would time out any connections to it?
[07:14] <Skif> xio04: To be perfectly accurate, synaptic and apt-get are both front ends to apt, a library providing the functions both employ for the purpose of installing and removing packages.  Neither is a front end to the other.
[07:14] <xio04> ok- but i assume that is what it is useing?
[07:14] <kapputu> any help with i810e on board sound card ?
[07:14] <Pizbit> xio04: Yep
[07:14] <xskoulax> evening, morning, afternoon, pick which applies to you ;)
[07:14] <xio04> ahh- not terrably bad but i don't think it's mom-friendly.
[07:15] <Skif> xio04: That is the most-employed method, I imagine, but apt-get (and my personal favourite, aptitude) are also available, should you find yourself desirous of employing either.
[07:15] <jdub> xio04: for warty, we use synaptic
[07:15] <Pizbit> xio04: Well, a basic desktop is setup with OpenOffice and whatnot in the default install anyway
[07:15] <jdub> xio04: for hoary, we'll have something even simpler as well
[07:15] <Skif> jdub: a program of your own devising, or something already extant?
[07:15] <Pizbit> jdub: Sounds interesting
[07:16] <xio04> hoary is?
[07:16] <jdub> Skif: something nu :-)
[07:16] <kapputu> hi xskoulax
[07:16] <kapputu> hows u
[07:16] <Skif> jdub: why then, I hereby volunteer myself to test it!
[07:16] <xskoulax> fine thx kapputu
[07:16] <jdub> xio04: our next release, due in april next year
[07:16] <xskoulax> yourself
[07:16] <jdub> xio04: it's already open for testing
[07:16] <xio04> ok
[07:16] <jdub> though a lot of the cool feature stuff is not in yet
[07:17] <kapputu> I'm doing good
[07:17] <kapputu> feeling great with three ubuntus at home
[07:17] <kapputu> even gave them pretty names ; laputu, deskutu, servutu
[07:18] <burnboy> does anyone else have problems with remote connectiosn to a ubuntu timing out? i don't have probs with any other linux boxes.
[07:18] <Hikaru79> OK, here's my updated script...
[07:18] <Hikaru79> #!/bin/bash
[07:18] <Hikaru79> /usr/bin/cgoban
[07:18] <Hikaru79> Again, this works fine if I manually type it in terminal, but not as a script...
[07:19] <xio04> does emply mouting disks when the system boots?  and for removable media such a floppy, cd-rom do you need to umount? or does the cd-rom's eject button and or umount automatically?
[07:20] <bioborg> hey, i wiped out my bootloader installing another os and I want ubuntu back? floppy dont work either... i edited lilo but it was like mandrakes and i want my old grub back...
[07:20] <Pizbit> xio04: Removable media puts a temporary icon on the desktop you can right click on to unmount
[07:21] <|progenic|> excuse me, how to check all my hardware spesification ?
[07:21] <CardinalSin> Hi, a basic question. I have just switched from SuSE to Ubuntu and was wondering if there is anything like Yast for managment? I have never used a Debian based system before.
[07:21] <|progenic|> from linux
[07:21] <jdub> CardinalSin: not as expansive as apt, but see everything in your Computer > System Configuration menu
[07:21] <bioborg> CardinalSin: use synaptic
[07:21] <|progenic|> CardinalSin, Yes. U can use either synaptic / apt
[07:21] <jdub> s/apt/yast/
[07:22] <jdub> bioborg, |progenic|: yast is not just apcakge management
[07:22] <bioborg> hey, how do i reinstall my ubuntu's grub after writing over the boot sector with lilo from mandrake
[07:22] <xio04> hmm  i'm looking to turn linux in a windows system without windows.  interesting but i think this distro isn't up to what i need without major configuration.
[07:22] <Pizbit> xio04: Er?
[07:22] <xio04> i don't think any distro is.  but i guess that will take time.
[07:23] <Skif> jdub: Indeed, it is a wonderful way of completely screwing up any manual changes you've made to your system's configuration!
[07:23] <jdub> xio04: depends on what you want to od.
[07:23] <Pizbit> xio04: Give it a try, try out the live cd
[07:23] <CardinalSin> thanks. and to manage my services? btw, Ubuntu has me completly blown away.
[07:23] <xio04> well, i'm simply saying it's alot of work.
[07:23] <Skif> And some automatic ones, for that matter.
[07:23] <xio04> hmm  maybe i will.
[07:23] <jdub> CardinalSin: no service management gui, you shouldn't have to change much.
[07:23] <bioborg> jdub, can you help me with getting my bootloader straightened out?
[07:23] <xio04> there are lots of distos and not enough time to try them all.  which is why i'm asking questions to decide if its worth my time.
[07:24] <xio04> i'm currently looking at screenshots, etc.
[07:24] <CardinalSin> tx jdud.
[07:24] <xio04> i like some of the stuff i'm seeing.
[07:24] <Skif> xio04: Then let me say that ubuntu is perhaps the first distribution that I am comfortably using, and yet I would not hesitate to recommend to my mother.
[07:25] <jdub> bioborg: you should boot the install cd, jump to a console
[07:25] <xio04> Skif-  does your mother know how to umount?
[07:25] <Skif> xio04: not hardly!
[07:25] <jdub> bioborg: mount your hard drive, chroot into it
[07:25] <jdub> bioborg: then do a grub install
[07:25] <xio04> Skif- does your mother know how to install office xp on linux?
[07:25] <CardinalSin> same here Skif. my wife is keen to try it out.
[07:25] <jdub> bioborg: but, i am not familiar enough with grub to really know how to do that properly
[07:25] <Skif> Notwithstanding that I had a most entertaining installation experience, the primary cause of which was my desire to have my default user have a specific uid/gid. :)
[07:26] <jdub> bioborg: or explain how to do it given your hardware
[07:26] <Skif> xio04: I daresay I don't know how to install office xp on linux, except perhaps through the intermediary of vmware.
[07:26] <xio04> big obsticles, but there possible right now. the question is how far has the distribution taken it, or is able to take it.  commerial distros like xandros can, but non-commerial distros can do a lot too.
[07:27] <xio04> Skif i believe winex will instlal office xp
[07:27] <Skif> xio04: now, were you to ask about, say, OpenOffice, then I'm sure she wouldn't know how to install that either.
[07:27] <xskoulax> xio04: imho ubuntu gets desktop linux right, they have chosen the toolset they want, and provided it in an easy to install, easy to use, fast distro
[07:27] <Skif> xio04: no doubt, but I've yet to feel either the desire or the need to do so.
[07:27] <bioborg> jdub: great idea, I just got there myself from the grub howto, thanks.
[07:28] <xio04> Skif, true.  what i'm getting at is, i don't want to have to go and assist every time they want to install a program.  which is what i would have to do.  i can't say 'windows is better then linux' if get the wrong impression.
[07:28] <bioborg> jdub: df: Warning: cannot read table of mounted filesystems: No such file or directorydf: Warning: cannot read table of mounted filesystems: No such file or directoryCould not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[07:28] <bioborg> ahh, mounted read-only
[07:28] <Skif> xio04: well, I am not hugely fond of synaptic, for reasons of my own, but I don't doubt that it is reasonably functional for the purpose, even for newbies
[07:28] <bash_> i can use the package. of the debian testing in my ubuntu ?
[07:29] <bash_> or debian unstable.. ?
[07:29] <Skif> bash_: I wouldn't recommend it, though it might be technically possible.
[07:29] <bash_> .deb
[07:29] <jdub> bash_: we don't encourage it -> have you looked for what you want in universe/multiverse?
[07:29] <bash_> uhm okey..
[07:29] <xio04> i am currently installed openoffice in place of office xp, but if they wanted to install a windows program, it would be nice to see winex automatically load the setup.exe from a cd for anything they insert.  at least it will be like windows crashing as opposed to just not being able to do it because its linux.
[07:29] <Skif> bash_: one of the major advantages of ubuntu is that it releases every 6 months, so you don't have instant access to the latest stuff, but when you do, it just works.
[07:30] <bash_> were have good repositoried of ubuntu
[07:30] <xio04> i don't think it's ready, and i'm affraid i can't start reccomending people who are computer illiterate use linux because they will get a negative impression and turn them off for good.
[07:31] <jdub> xio04: that's fine. you don't have to.
[07:32] <xio04> better to install openoffice, and such programs instead on windows. for the time being.  eventually, give it a few months another year.  it's so much farther then it was in 1995, let alone in the last year it will take much longer to be perfect.
[07:32] <Skif> xio04: I would, but only on the understanding that they required only a limited selection of packages, and that they understood I was not at their beck and call for the purpose of installing any software that came to their fancy.
[07:32] <xskoulax> xio04: infact if its going to give them a negative impression its better they don't get on the bandwagon yet
[07:32] <Pizbit> xio04: Got them onto using firefox too? 1.0 is due out within 2 week
[07:32] <Skif> I find, myself, that truly computer illiterate folk have few requirements, and that, once trained on a specific installation, are loath to change it for any reason.
[07:33] <xio04> xskoulax well, see i've allready given people a negative impression with linux i think.  they are uneazy about it, and if they can't do it themselves they don't want it.
[07:33] <jdub> ok, dudes
[07:33] <Skif> A friend of mine has his mother using Linux, though I doubt she would be able to tell you anything about it other than her son has repeatedly insisted to her that "it's not windows".
[07:33] <jdub> off-topic discussion elsewhere please :)
[07:33] <Pizbit> Skif: Hehe
[07:33] <timothy_> IMO the best way to make people currently stuck on (or used to) Windows interested in Linux is by giving them software which is truly cross platform. (Kudos to the Ubuntu devs for including stuff from TheOpenCD!)
[07:34] <timothy_> File formats are the bolt in the nose of most software users.
[07:34] <xio04> yea, i got quite a few people using firefox.  i'm thinking of pushing out mozilla 1.6 or whatever it is, it seems better in some respects compatability wise.  i would suggest konqueror for linux though.
[07:34] <xskoulax> xio04: if they are not ready for linux yet, get them on the road with openoffice/firefox etc and let the work from there
[07:34] <Pizbit> xio04: Default browser for Ubuntu is firefox
[07:34] <xskoulax> s/the/them
[07:35] <Pizbit> Mozilla(Seamonkey) is also bloated when you just want a browser
[07:35] <timothy_> If after a while people like the cross-platform free software, and they realize that Linux not only runs it but also comes with Frozen Bubble ...
[07:35] <xio04> i think getting them used to open source is the best solution to convert windows uers to linux..  definatly.
[07:35] <timothy_> sold!
[07:35] <xskoulax> lol @ timothy_
[07:35] <xio04> i can't stand windows xp, thats all i know.
[07:35] <jdub> guys
[07:36] <jdub> bugs in ubuntu == on-topic
[07:36] <|progenic|> but to tell the truth how will be the future of software industry ? if all of ppl using open source ?
[07:36] <jdub> bugs in the world == off-topic
[07:36] <jdub> let's concentrate on ubuntu here :)
[07:36] <Dragoon> I can't seem to get my broadband to work on ubuntu, I'm using a nic card of uknown make and I'm a complete newbie when it comes to linux, any help would be nice
[07:36] <hectorvs> i need help with i8k...
[07:36] <jdub> Dragoon: can you run lspci in a terminal?
[07:36] <xio04> progenic if you combine open source with commerial i think linux will be Extremly successfull.
[07:37] <jdub> Dragoon: then paste the line that says 'Ethernet' in it
[07:37] <|progenic|> xio04, example ?
[07:37] <hectorvs> when i shutdown it says "unloading i8kbuttons" but they're not working...
[07:37] <xio04> :)  time for me to head out, ha?
[07:38] <xio04> progenic  xandros provides a free version, without winex, and a few pay versions with, in addition to extra functionality.  i think this is a great combination, or start.
[07:38] <Dragoon> jdub: 0000:00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Davicom Semiconductor, Inc. 21x4x DEC-Tulip compatible 10/100 Ethernet (rev 32)
[07:38] <jdub> Dragoon: ok, now type:
[07:38] <jdub> lsmod | grep tulip
[07:39] <xio04> now i'm going..  one last thing  i think driverloader is another program that should be added to xandros, or any windows-friendly distro.
[07:40] <CardinalSin> man, Ubuntu rocks. I have not enjoyed my computer this much for a long time.
[07:40] <|progenic|> yeah i must admit too
[07:40] <xio04> CardinalSin i say that every time i install a new distro.
[07:40] <|progenic|> i haven't boot to windows for almost 1 week+
[07:40] <swab_> once you get mplayer installed it rocks
[07:41] <hectorvs> swab: true that
[07:41] <Dragoon> jdub: ok it brought up a few things, need me to post it here probably right
[07:41] <xio04> havn't had windows in over a year..  gone are the days of crashing and ohh yea. stupid stupid wizards.
[07:41] <CardinalSin> na xio04, i also do the ditro tango. and this one, as is, just feels good from the get go.
[07:41] <jdub> Dragoon: if it has a line with tulip in it, that's a good start
[07:41] <Dragoon> jdub: yes it does the first line is tulip
[07:42] <jdub> Dragoon: ok, try this:
[07:42] <jdub> ifconfig -a | grep encap
[07:42] <jdub> how many lines, and what's the first thing on each line?
[07:42] <CardinalSin> anyway, time to do the laundry. cheers all.
[07:43] <Dragoon> jdub: three lines in order from top to bottom    eth0, lo, sit0
[07:43] <|progenic|> i'm very excited to see how the software industry goes in the future :D
[07:43] <jdub> Dragoon: cooL!
[07:43] <|progenic|> especially open source
[07:44] <jdub> Dragoon: can you run Computer > System Configuration > Networking?
[07:44] <Dragoon> jdub: its open now
[07:44] <xio04> i wouldn't mind comercial software, if they would just open source it, and charge for technical support/simpler front end.  thats the direction i would like to see it take
[07:44] <jdub> Dragoon: does it have eth0 in the list?
[07:44] <jdub> xio04: dude, please, somewhere else
[07:45] <Dragoon> jdub: Type: ethernet LAN card    Device: eth0
[07:45] <jdub> Dragoon: rock!
[07:45] <jdub> Dragoon: click properties, and set it up how you want it
[07:45] <jdub> Dragoon: then just click on the 'active' checkbox
[07:45] <Dragoon> jdub: ok I'll give it a go, have to disconnect from here to do so cause I'm using my cable modem on my windows machine to get here
[07:46] <jdub> you might also want to switch on 'activate when computer starts' in the properties
[07:46] <jdub> Dragoon: ok :)
[07:46] <Dragoon> jdub: thanks for the help and hopefully I'll be on ubuntu when I come back
[07:49] <mbb> anyone care to enlighten me some on when/if to file a bug report. Am having sound weirdness on thinkpad 390x, posted to list, but no solution yet.
[07:50] <daniels> mbb: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[07:51] <mbb> reason I hesitate to bug it is its likely to not be ubuntu specific - also present in knoppix, gnoppix.
[07:52] <mbb> also hoping for more ideas in troubleshooting it, for more bug info to write up.
[07:52] <binary_10> has anyone had any issues with k3b?
[07:52] <binary_10> on thier web site it says dont use kernel 2.6.8
[07:56] <Solkaris> Greetings and Salutations
[07:57] <Dragoon> jdub I have another question
[07:57] <jdub> Dragoon: did that work?
[07:58] <Dragoon> jdub: when I click the active box it unchecks itself
[07:58] <jdub> hmm
[07:58] <hectorvs> anyone... could u give me some ideas to troubleshoot my i8k problem?... where should i start looking?
[07:58] <jdub> what did you put in the properties dialogue?
[07:58] <plovs_work> mbb, write it anyway, if it is a good report people will look at it
[07:59] <Dragoon> jdub: Automatic (DHCP) because that is what my ISP provides I am pretty sure cause on my windows machine ipconfig shows DHCP enabled
[07:59] <rushibhai> hi all
[08:00] <jdub> Dragoon: ok
[08:00] <rushibhai> any idea when 2.6.9 packages will be out?
[08:00] <mbb> plovs: OK, thank you, I'll work on writing up what I know so far.
[08:00] <jdub> Dragoon: in a terminal, can you run 'sudo ifup eth0' ?
[08:00] <jdub> rushibhai: there won't be 2.6.9 pacakges for warty
[08:01] <rushibhai> humm.. sad.
[08:01] <Dragoon> jdub: interface eth0 already configured
[08:01] <jdub> rushibhai: warty is a stable release, we don't do version upgrades in it
[08:01] <jdub> Dragoon: aha
[08:01] <rushibhai> jdub: thanks for the info, i'll get the vanilla ones then.
[08:01] <jdub> Dragoon: do sudo ifdown eth0
[08:01] <jdub> rushibhai: then you lose all the advantages of the ubuntu kernels
[08:02] <rushibhai> jdub: yeah, but i am itching for a kernel compile right now :)
[08:02] <jdub> rushibhai: new kernels will be available in our next release (and on the development branch of it)
[08:02] <Dragoon> jdub: ok this one had listed a bit more information...anything I should look for in particular as I can't copy paste...I have to type it out sadly
[08:02] <rushibhai> jdub: i don't feel like going to hoary, it changes too fast for comfort.
[08:02] <jdub> Dragoon: nah, it's just trying to DHCP
[08:02] <Hikaru79> Good night, #ubuntu ^ ^
[08:02] <Hikaru79> See you in the morning :)
[08:02] <jdub> Dragoon: type sudo ifdown eth0 again
[08:03] <jdub> Dragoon: then try connecting it to your cable modem and turning it on again
[08:03] <jdub> Dragoon: it was just in a confused state :)
[08:03] <Dragoon> jdub: ok I'll give that a go then return whether it works or not
[08:05] <amohamed> I just installed Ubuntu for the first time. I got an apt error during the install. I tried an apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade and I'm getting an error on emacs-install emacs21. Anyone know what this is about? I looked in the forums but couldn't find anything on it.
[08:06] <Pizbit> amohamed: And the error is...??
[08:07] <amohamed> hang on. let me copy the error off my laptop.
[08:09] <arafat> Pizbit, here's the error:
[08:10] <arafat> Setting up emacs21 (21.3+1-5ubuntu4) ...
[08:10] <arafat> emacs-install emacs21
[08:10] <arafat> install/dictionaries-common: Byte-compiling for emacsen flavour emacs21
[08:10] <arafat> /usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/install/dictionaries-common: line 61: emacs21: command not found
[08:10] <arafat> emacs-install: /usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/install/dictionaries-common emacs21 failed at /usr/lib/emacsen-common/emacs-install line 28, <TSORT> line 3.
[08:10] <arafat> dpkg: error processing emacs21 (--configure):
[08:10] <arafat>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127
[08:10] <arafat> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ubuntu-desktop:
[08:10] <arafat>  ubuntu-desktop depends on emacs21; however:
[08:10] <arafat>   Package emacs21 is not configured yet.
[08:10] <arafat> dpkg: error processing ubuntu-desktop (--configure):
[08:10] <arafat>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[08:10] <arafat> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:10] <burnboy> ack
[08:10] <arafat>  emacs21
[08:10] <arafat>  ubuntu-desktop
[08:10] <arafat> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:10] <burnboy> you know...private message would have been good for this.
[08:10] <Pizbit> arafat: Read the damned topic
[08:11] <arafat> I'm really sorry. won't happen again.
[08:11] <jdub> Pizbit: be nice, please
[08:12] <Pizbit> Mmkay:)
[08:12] <hectorvs> do i have to recompile my kernel to make i8k work?
[08:13] <arafat> anyways, anyone know why I can't get emacs21 and ubuntu-desktop to install?
[08:20] <enabl> hi all, have the hoary repositories got the 2.6.9 kernel?
[08:22] <Thor> anyone here ?
[08:22] <Thor> how do i install xfce ?
[08:23] <jdub> enabl: no
[08:23] <arafat> I would think you need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to allow the universal packages and search in there.
[08:23] <jdub> Thor: as i said before, search for it in synaptic and install it
[08:23] <cenerentola> ciao a tutti... ppl since ive downloaded ubuntu far earlier the warty release... i suppose that packages ive been updated..
[08:23] <cenerentola> so how can i do dist-upgrade in synaptic
[08:23] <Thor> i serached, found xfce
[08:24] <Thor> then double clicked
[08:24] <arafat> thor: apt-get install xfce
[08:24] <Thor> it did some stuff
[08:24] <Pizbit> Thor: Did you click to apply?
[08:24] <Thor> then opened terminal window did some more stuff then it said finished, you may close terminal window
[08:25] <Thor> yeah i applied it
[08:25] <arafat> thor: log out of gnome. When you log in again, see if it shows up in your sessions.
[08:25] <Thor> it doesnt
[08:26] <Thor> do i need to install ALL the components that came up in the search for xfce ?
[08:26] <cenerentola> hey hey...?
[08:26] <Thor> or only need to install xfce ?
[08:26] <arafat> thor: check the description for the xfce package. See what it says.
[08:27] <Thor> ok, im installing xfce4 now
[08:27] <Thor> let see what that does
[08:29] <arafat> I'm trying to search the ubuntu site for documentation on the different apt repositories. Anyone feel like being a saint and saving me some time?
[08:30] <Treenaks> arafat: vim /etc/apt/sources.list ;)
[08:30] <Treenaks> arafat: it has examples..
[08:30] <tiago_> hi there, where I can put a script to run on startup, I think the correct place is init.d, but wich file? Or I can create a new file..., sorry by newbea questio ;)
[08:30] <Treenaks> tiago_: what do you want to run?
[08:31] <mooniker> in the sources.list, what's the difference between deb and deb-src? I mean, how does it affect package installation?
[08:31] <Treenaks> deb is for packages, deb-src is for sources
[08:31] <arafat> Treenaks, all I see is warty and universe? Is there more? I saw a short link to a third repository and was trying to get more info (I lost the link. I saw it at work and can't find it again).
[08:31] <Treenaks> (with deb-src things, you can "apt-get source packagename" to get the source
[08:31] <tiago_> Treenaks, I don't know why it removes my symblink of my modem in /dev
[08:32] <mooniker> So if I choose sources, it just downloads the sources?
[08:32] <Treenaks> tiago_: that's udev, you'll want to read this:
[08:32] <Treenaks> tiago_: http://www.reactivated.net/udevrules.php
[08:32] <Treenaks> mooniker: no
[08:32] <tiago_> Treenaks, good, thx
[08:32] <Elw0od_21> hi all
[08:32] <Treenaks> mooniker: it always downloads packages (apt-get install etc.)
[08:32] <arafat> mooniker, you can get it to compile and install on your system from deb-src. man apt-get. There's differenct options.
[08:33] <Treenaks> mooniker: it's just that if you need the source (to fix a bug, for example), you can get it using "apt-get source packagename", and you can even build a custom package from those sources
[08:33] <Treenaks> arafat: warty is the distribution, "main", "restricted", "universe" and "multiverse" are repositories.
[08:33] <mooniker> OK, thanks.
[08:34] <Treenaks> main contains the 'basic' installation (gnome, e.d.: all supported packages), restricted contains "restricted-but-useful" modules (NVidia, for example)
[08:34] <arafat> Treenaks, multiverse was what I was trying to find. Thank you.
[08:34] <Treenaks> universe is a snapshot of Debian sid from late june (stabilized a bit, no support)
[08:34] <Treenaks> end mutiverse is debian nonfree/contrib
[08:35] <timothy_> Treenaks: thanks for the explan. I was trying to figure out from the conversation what each of those meant.
[08:36] <arafat> Treenaks, I don't suppose you know why apt-get errors out on installing emacs21 and ubuntu-desktop?
[08:36] <arafat> Treenaks, new install. First time using ubuntu.
[08:36] <Treenaks> arafat: what's the specific error?
[08:37] <arafat> Treenaks, I'll send the file.
[08:37] <Treenaks> arafat: no, just use pastebin.com
[08:38] <arafat> Treenaks, that's what I'm trying to do. I think I posted with your nick by mistake.
[08:38] <Treenaks> arafat: weird...
[08:39] <arafat> Treenaks, I also tried a --configure on both with no success. Like I said, new install, let it do it's default thing.
[08:39] <Treenaks> arafat: try aptitude install ~tubuntu-desktop
[08:39] <Treenaks> arafat: (you should have that from a fresh install, but who knows..)
[08:39] <Pizbit> ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package anyway, you should be able to safely remove it I believe
[08:39] <arafat> Treenaks, still getting errors.
[08:40] <arafat> Treenaks, with aptitude install.
[08:40] <Treenaks> Pizbit: yes but you don't want that
[08:40] <Treenaks> arafat: did you check your CD image?
[08:40] <arafat> Treenaks, I edited sources.list to not use CD.
[08:40] <Treenaks> (md5sum /dev/yourcdromplayer, compare to the md5sums file on the site)
[08:41] <Pizbit> Treenaks: Several people on the users mailing list said there were no probs with doing so if you needed too
[08:42] <Treenaks> Pizbit: maybe when hoary comes, I think
[08:42] <arafat> Pizbit, what about emacs though. I notice that even in Debian, emacs seems to be required for a lot of packages (which I hate cause I'm a vi guy).
[08:42] <Pizbit> arafat: Why do you need emacs then?
[08:42] <arafat> Pizbit, I don't, apparently the system does.
[08:43] <burnboy> so maybe i can ask this again. i get timed out on connections remotely to my ubuntu box through a network but not through a redhat 9 box through the same network...any ideas?
[08:44] <plovs_work> what is the best app for screenshooting windows? not the whole screen?
[08:44] <Pizbit> plovs_work: The gnome-screen-shot application can do that, sadly I only know how to make it do that via the keyboard shortcuts
[08:45] <Pizbit> Ahh
[08:45] <arafat> Check pastebin
[08:45] <arafat> Got a problem running md5sum on the CD :(
[08:45] <Pizbit> gnome-panel-screenshot --window
[08:45] <plovs_work> Pizbit, shortcut doesn't work afaik
[08:45] <plovs_work> Alt-Prt right?
[08:46] <timothy_> plovs_work: plovs_work -- also, if you might have use for installing anything KDE related, the application ksnapshot is good for that, too.
[08:46] <Pizbit> plovs_work: Works for me, I rebound the key
[08:46] <timothy_> (if you have network and can install stuff, that is.)
[08:46] <Pizbit> Not sure what it is by default
[08:46] <plovs_work> timothy_, thanks, but that would be a lot of work for one pic
[08:46] <plovs_work> Pizbit i'll try
[08:47] <timothy_> plovs_work: Yes :) I'm presently on a (KDE-centric) Mepis system, once in a while I reboot with an Ubuntu live CD ...
[08:47] <Pizbit> plovs_work: Select the window you want a screen shot taken of, hit alt+f2 and run "gnome-panel-screenshot --window"
[08:48] <plovs_work> Pizbit, rebinding works, Alt-prnt did not ... thanks, there i go
[08:48] <Thor> hmm
[08:48] <Thor> ok, now how do oyu use xfce ?
[08:49] <plovs_work> timothy_, mepis was quite nice... but i prefer ubuntu nowadays... and kde well, let's not get into that fight again (what do you think of emacs -vi? .. ah no)
[08:49] <Thor> wheres all thesettings in xfce ?
[08:50] <Dragoon> jdub: the network settings freezes up when I try to activate eth0....hope you're still around
[08:52] <jdub> Dragoon: d'oh!
[08:52] <jdub> Dragoon: perhaps just try to do 'sudo ifup eth0
[08:52] <jdub> instead of using the gui
[08:52] <jdub> then we can see if there are any errors
[08:54] <Dragoon> jdub: well I messed with it for a bit, if I activate the eth0 with the cable modem not hooked up, it gives me the busy symbol, then closes after a bit, yet when I reopen I'm back to the box being unchecked.
[08:54] <jdub> yeah
[08:54] <jdub> try from the command line
[08:54] <Dragoon> jdub: I just get the interface eth0 already configured
[08:54] <jdub> then do sudo ifdown eth0
[08:54] <jdub> and ifup again
[08:55] <Dragoon> also not sure if this matters or not but when booting it takes awhile on the network configuration part of the boot up
[08:55] <Thor> does this thing ubuntu have KDE ?
[08:55] <daniels> Thor: you can install it if you want, yes
[08:55] <jdub> Dragoon: yeah, it's probably waiting around for dhcp, but not connected
[08:55] <jdub> Thor: kde is unsupported, but available in universe
[08:56] <Dragoon> jdub: sort of sucks cause I can't be on here asking for help while I'm connect through my modem, I don't have a router and only have the one cable modem
[08:56] <jdub> yeah 8)
[08:56] <Thor> what does unsuported mean ?
[08:56] <Thor> well fxce worked really well
[08:57] <Thor> but it didnt have many options and stuff
[08:57] <pastyhermit> Im tryin to install the latest nvidia drivers but I cant get my kernel source, synaptic says 2.6.7 is the latest but I am running <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:57] <Pizbit> Thor: It means no one is looking after it to make sure it works.
[08:57] <jdub> pastyhermit: the nvidia drivers are available in ubuntu already
[08:57] <pastyhermit> where do I get the ubuntu
[08:57] <jdub> pastyhermit: install nvidia-glx
[08:57] <psyklops> scyuzzies... quick question, what provides /dev/sequencer?
[08:57] <pastyhermit> jdub, its not that my display is at 16bpp, I want it at 24bpp
[08:57] <deFrysk> what done : sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[08:58] <deFrysk> what* when
[08:58] <pastyhermit> its not GLX I want a better color pallette
[08:58] <deFrysk> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and set it at 24
[08:58] <pastyhermit> and I cant find eclipse in synaptic
[08:59] <pastyhermit> deFrysk, I already edit XF86Config-4
[08:59] <pastyhermit> but no change
[08:59] <elwood> psyklops,  are u using alsa?
[08:59] <pastyhermit> thats why I WANT THE NVIDIA driver :D
[08:59] <deFrysk> pastyhermit, thats not the debian way ;)
[08:59] <psyklops> yeah
[08:59] <pastyhermit> deFrysk, no its the linux way
[08:59] <deFrysk> pasty , what i said earlyer
[08:59] <pastyhermit> regardless where do I get the kernel source
[09:00] <pastyhermit> I dont get what glx has to do with the color pallete
[09:00] <deFrysk> pastyhermit, read http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:00] <deFrysk> and next time try the debian way
[09:01] <elwood> psyklops,  when u compile the kernel enable sequencer module and load it
[09:01] <psyklops> ack... requires a recompile of the kernel?
[09:01] <pastyhermit> deFrysk, I just want the kernel source
[09:01] <psyklops> could I have it in a module?
[09:02] <pastyhermit> restarting X
[09:03] <pastyhermit> this probably wont work
[09:03] <pastyhermit> so where do I get the ubuntu kernel source
[09:03] <deFrysk> pastyhermit, apt-get install linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>
[09:03] <pastyhermit> tsank you :D
[09:03] <deFrysk> and have fun
[09:03] <deFrysk> ;p
[09:03] <deFrysk> ?
[09:04] <Thor> is KDE heavier than GNOME
[09:04] <Thor> ?
[09:04] <deFrysk> same weight
[09:04] <mctavish> G'day. According to nautilus help, there is a 'file types and programmes' preference tool. I can't find it. Can anyone help locate it?
[09:04] <deFrysk> about 50 grams
[09:05] <Thor> hhmm
[09:05] <Thor> hmm
[09:05] <deFrysk> Thor, kde is kinda bloated
[09:05] <deFrysk> losta lot
[09:05] <Thor> its funny homw GNOME doesnt have optison for slow comps
[09:05] <elwood> i love openbox
[09:06] <deFrysk> I love 64 bit processors
[09:06] <psyklops> theres no way to get /dev/sequencer short of compiling the kernel?
[09:06] <psyklops> I have no source on hand
[09:06] <psyklops> let alone a kernelconfig
[09:06] <psyklops> I'm running on an image
[09:07] <Thor> so whats the lightest interface ?
[09:07] <deFrysk> blackbox waimea
[09:07] <Thor> i liked fxce or whatever it was
[09:07] <deFrysk> fluxbox
[09:07] <deFrysk> xfce4 is light gtk2
[09:07] <elwood> or fluxbox
[09:07] <Thor> is fluxbox fxce ?
[09:08] <deFrysk> no
[09:08] <elwood> no..
[09:08] <Thor> yeah, i was using xfce 4
[09:08] <Thor> that was heaps cool, but it didnt have many options
[09:08] <deFrysk> i used it but got bored with it
[09:08] <deFrysk> and my pc has planty speed for gnome
[09:09] <matt_> jdub: it works!
[09:09] <Thor> mine doesnt
[09:09] <matt_> jdub: I'm Dragoon btw...forgot to log out of my other computer when I left IRC
[09:09] <jdub> matt_: :)
[09:09] <jdub> rock!
[09:10] <matt_> Thanks a lot for the help
[09:11] <Thor> whats fluxbox like ?
[09:11] <Thor> arethere any screeners of it ?
[09:12] <jdub> probably on the fluxbox website
[09:12] <jdub> mctavish: that dialogue is no longer in gnome
[09:12] <iz> http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/screenshots-dev.php
[09:13] <mctavish> jdub. Thanks, guessed so. Help needs updating ...
[09:13] <jdub> yeah
[09:17] <psyklops> is there any other way to get /dev/sequencer?
[09:17] <psyklops> I can't really compile for it
[09:18] <Treenaks> psyklops: load OSS emulation?
[09:18] <psyklops> okay...
[09:18] <Thor> hmm
[09:18] <psyklops> how?
[09:18] <psyklops> heh
[09:18] <Thor> fluxbox is no good
[09:18] <Treenaks> psyklops: but that's just a temporary solution.. you'll need to re-write the program to use ALSA eventually
[09:18] <Treenaks> Thor: why not?
[09:18] <Thor> you gotta write command in it
[09:18] <psyklops> well, temporary is fine
[09:18] <psyklops> its just for tonight anyway
[09:18] <Thor> its got no icons and stuff
[09:19] <Treenaks> Thor: so? that doesn't make it worse :)
[09:19] <Treenaks> Thor: (only better, imho)
[09:19] <Thor> well it does make it worse, when you dont know anything at all about computers :P
[09:19] <psyklops> how do I load OSS emu?
[09:20] <jdub> Thor: i recommend sticking to gnome or xfce
[09:20] <Thor> http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/zoom.php?shots-dev/majes_fluxbox.jpg <-- is it complicated to get that toolbar up ???
[09:20] <Treenaks> Thor: toolbar? where?
[09:21] <Thor> look at that screen shot
[09:21] <Treenaks> Thor: yes.. I don't see a toolbar
[09:21] <Thor> that fluxdesk thing
[09:21] <Treenaks> dunno about it
[09:21] <Treenaks> should be easy
[09:21] <Thor> have you gone tothat site ?
[09:22] <Thor> you dont see that fluxdesk thing on there ?
[09:22] <Treenaks> Thor: I am looking at the screenshot
[09:22] <Treenaks> Thor: I just don't know, as I haven't used fluxbox for about a year
[09:22] <Thor> oic
[09:23] <Treenaks> but it shouldn't be too hard
[09:24] <Thor> something like that would be great for me
[09:28] <gruberman> When I remove a package with apt, does it also remove the dependencies of that package?
[09:29] <Pizbit> gruberman: No
[09:31] <Thor> treenaks, how can i install themes ??
[09:31] <Pizbit> Thor: Unpack them into ~/.themes if it's just for your user
[09:32] <Thor> and it will automatically work when i start it up agian ?
[09:32] <Pizbit> Once you've install them there you can switch via running gnome-theme-manager
[09:33] <gruberman> Pizbit : ok.. Is there any other package manager in the reps that works that way?
[09:34] <Pizbit> gruberman: You can create a filter in synaptic to show the orphaned packages which you can then select to remove
[09:34] <jdub> gruberman: aptitude does that, but it's a bit hard to use (i think)
[09:35] <gruberman> Ok, I'm used to pacman. Ill try both ways Pizbit and jdub!
[09:35] <Pizbit> jdub: Perhaps synaptic should have the filter by default?
[09:35] <jdub> i must admit, i haven't used it a lot... 8)
[09:36] <jdub> i probably should get used to it
[09:36] <Pizbit> Me neither, but it appears more than just one or two are asking
[09:36] <Thor> piz, where exactly is the themes folder ?
[09:37] <Pizbit> Thor: ~ means your home directory
[09:37] <Thor> im trying to extract the theme, but dont knwo where to extract it to
[09:37] <Pizbit> So look in .themes , it may not exist yet though, in which case you need to create it
[09:37] <Thor> ok
[09:37] <Thor> well
[09:38] <Thor> in Home, ther was only Desktop, and My FOlders
[09:38] <Thor> so i created  Themes folder
[09:38] <Pizbit> . files/folders are hidden so you may need to show them
[09:38] <Mithrandir> lifeless: pong
[09:38] <Pizbit> Thor: In nautilus Edit -> Show hidden files
[09:40] <gruberman> jdub : It looks like aptitude removes deps. and there's something called deborphan that helps with removing deps too.
[09:40] <gruberman> Ah, Ubunti install finished
[09:40] <Thor> yep
[09:40] <Thor> ok the files are in there now
[09:40] <gruberman> or ubuntu rather
[09:40] <Thor> now what do i do ?
[09:41] <Thor> this is a Fluxbox theme btw, and atm its booted into GNOME
[09:42] <Thor> nope, fluxbox theme
[09:43] <thoreauputic> thor, if it's a fluxbox theme, it should go in /usr/share/fluxbox/styles
[09:44] <thoreauputic> thor, read http://fluxbox.org
[09:49] <Thor> i dont see anything there on installing themes :(
[09:51] <Thor> still here ?
[09:52] <thoreauputic> yes
[09:52] <thoreauputic> :)
[09:53] <thoreauputic> Thor, they are just text files, really
[09:53] <Thor> so what do i do ?
[09:54] <Thor> i dloaded the theme, and its got two folders in it
[09:54] <thoreauputic> Thor, first have a look at the directory /usr/share/fluxbox/styles
[09:54] <Thor> yeah, there are like 15 files in there already
[09:55] <Thor> i tried copy/pasting the folders from the theme, but they wont paste into that folder form reason
[09:55] <thoreauputic> thor, you should find the folders you downloaded will just go in there: do they need to be extracted ( are they tar.gz or something?)
[09:56] <Thor> ive already extracted them
[09:56] <thoreauputic> Thor, you might need to do it with root permissions using sudo
[09:56] <Thor> hehe, please explain :)
[09:56] <Thor> open terminal and type sudo root ?
[09:57] <thoreauputic> Thor, what directory do you have them in now? The extracted files?
[09:58] <Thor> umm, home/fluxbox
[09:59] <thoreauputic> Thor, Ok you have that dir open in nautilus, right?
[09:59] <Thor> sorry for this mate, i jsut really suck at this :)
[09:59] <Thor> yep
[09:59] <thoreauputic> it's ok
[10:00] <thoreauputic> Thor, try closing nautilus, then in a terminal type sudo nautilus /home/fluxbox &
[10:00] <thoreauputic> Thor, actually just typing sudo nautilus should be enough for now if you prefer
[10:02] <Thor> yep typed that
[10:02] <Thor> sudo nautlius
[10:02] <thoreauputic> Thor, to explain: if you run nautilus with sudo, you should be able to access and write to any file on your system
[10:02] <thoreauputic> Thor, nautilus (spelling or typo?)
[10:03] <thoreauputic> Thor, has it opened?
[10:03] <Thor> yeah
[10:04] <Thor> so what do i copy into the usr/share/f;uxbox/styles folder ?
[10:04] <Thor> do i copy the folder there, or just that one file thats similar to the ones already in ther e
[10:04] <Thor> ?
[10:05] <thoreauputic> once you have it open, you should be able to do a drag and drop or copy -paste to the  /usr/share/fluxbox/styles dir . Look at the files and see where they should go - probably in the styles dir
[10:05] <Thor> i copied the whole folder into the styles directory
[10:06] <thoreauputic> Thor, it depends on the style - some have two directory entries
[10:06] <Thor> yes, this one does
[10:06] <thoreauputic> Thor, that might work - I don't know which styles you have etc
[10:07] <Thor> i have two folders, one is fluxbox, the other is gtk
[10:07] <thoreauputic> Thor, you might have to do a bit of thinking about it
[10:07] <Thor> inside fluxbox folder there is a styles folder
[10:07] <thoreauputic> the gtk one is to give gtk apps a native look
[10:08] <Thor> inside that folder, there is a file that appears to be similar to the files in the fluxbox styles folder atm
[10:08] <thoreauputic> Thor, it's hard to say without seeing what you actually have
[10:08] <Thor> ok, qn
[10:08] <Thor> how do i load the style ?
[10:08] <thoreauputic> thor, then copy those files into the styles folder
[10:10] <Thor> ok copied
[10:10] <thoreauputic> Thor, when you use fluxbox, those styles should show up in the right-click menu
[10:10] <thoreauputic> under styles, funnily enough ;)
[10:10] <Thor> should i try it ?
[10:10] <thoreauputic> if not, go back and fiddle until they do... yeah try it - why not?
[10:10] <Thor> cos when i last tried fluxbox, it didnt have nay styles in the right click menu
[10:11] <psyklops> I'm running an app and it says it can't find /dev/sequencer, but I look and /dev/sequencer is there, possible causes are?
[10:11] <thoreauputic> Thor, it should - something is wrong otherwise
[10:11] <psyklops> (it actually says "permission denied"
[10:11] <psyklops> wait no...  that was something else I tested...
[10:11] <psyklops> I tried cat'ing something to the sequencer... and got "permission denied"
[10:12] <Thor> in the fluxbox menu ther is only xterm, restart and exit
[10:13] <thoreauputic> Thor, hang on  a minute while I look at my other flux install (on an old box on the network)
[10:13] <Thor> sure :)
[10:14] <thoreauputic> Thor, looks like your menu hasn't been automatically configured on install - that's a dpkg/apt problem
[10:15] <thoreauputic> Thor, you might have to learn to make your own menu - are you willing to try it?
[10:15] <Thor> so what do i do /
[10:15] <thoreauputic> ^^^
[10:15] <Thor> nah :P
[10:15] <thoreauputic> Thor, it isn't hard
[10:15] <Thor> im not skillled enough and i dont got the time
[10:15] <Thor> well, can you run me through it ?
[10:16] <lifeless> Mithrandir: pong
[10:16] <thoreauputic> Thor, I can send you mine, but it will only be a sample - you will just use it as a template
[10:16] <Thor> ok
[10:17] <thoreauputic> Thor, and put it in ~/.fluxbox/menu in your home directory
[10:17] <Thor> actually thoreauputic
[10:17] <thoreauputic> ?
[10:17] <Thor> see my problem is... i havea 466mhz mashine with 64mb ram
[10:18] <thoreauputic> Thor, that isn't a problem :)
[10:18] <Thor> i wnated to get something ot run well on it... and GNOME runs ok, but if there is a way to turnd down its effects, i think it would be goo
[10:18] <thoreauputic> Thor, I have flux on a P200 mmx with 64MB RAM
[10:18] <Thor> hehe, cool
[10:19] <thoreauputic> Thor, do you want me to dcc my menu as an example? Or not?
[10:19] <Thor> i just want that machine to be able to network to this one, and watch movies and eps from this machine
[10:19] <Thor> yes please
[10:19] <Thor> might as well
[10:21] <thoreauputic> Thor, I think that was the right file...
[10:21] <thoreauputic> Thor, I hope ;)
[10:22] <thoreauputic> Thor, it won't work for you as is, but you can edit it and save it in .fluxbox/menu
[10:22] <Thor> whoa
[10:22] <thoreauputic> Thor, it has stuff you won't know about
[10:23] <thoreauputic> Thor, do you want me to give a brief explanation?
[10:23] <Thor> umm, brief, please ;)
[10:24] <iz> lesson numero one how to work with fluxbox :)
[10:24] <thoreauputic> Thor, haha - the [exec]  entries are the commands to launch your apps
[10:24] <thoreauputic> [submenu]  gives you branches to your menu
[10:25] <Thor> ok
[10:25] <thoreauputic> each list has an [end]  entry
[10:25] <Thor> so
[10:26] <thoreauputic> [config]  you just leave as is - [config]  (Configuration) and so on
[10:27] <thoreauputic> Thor, I suggest you make a backup copy called , say, menu.template , then edit to your preferences and save as ~/.fluxbox/menu
[10:27] <thoreauputic> note the dot in .fluxbox
[10:28] <thoreauputic> Thor, consider it your first fluxbox hack ;)
[10:28] <Thor> ahahahah
[10:28] <thoreauputic> Thor, you can use gedit to do the editing, or whatever
[10:28] <Thor> what would happen if i used what you just sent me ?
[10:29] <Mithrandir> lifeless: you pinged me six hours ago or so
[10:30] <thoreauputic> Thor, a lot of it just wouldn't work because it has remote apps with ssh and stuff you probably don't have installed, but at least it would have a styles entry and so on
[10:30] <Thor> thats all i need :)
[10:30] <Thor> isnt it ?
[10:31] <thoreauputic> Thor, well it's a start: but do learn how to edit your menu - it means you can do whatever you want
[10:31] <lifeless> Mithrandir: yes, my amd64 hangs
[10:31] <lifeless> I've files a bug
[10:31] <lifeless> it hangs /hard/
[10:31] <lifeless> can't ping it
[10:32] <Thor> yeah i will
[10:32] <thoreauputic> Thor, welcome to open source, where men are men and files are yours to play with ;)
[10:33] <Thor> ahahah
[10:33] <thoreauputic> Thor, and women are women of course...
[10:33] <Thor> are you onw of the ppl who made ubunut
[10:33] <lifeless> ctrl-scroll lock does nothing
[10:33] <lifeless> alt-sysrq nothing
[10:33] <thoreauputic> Thor, no I'm a 2 year linux luser :)
[10:33] <Pizbit> thoreauputic: Don't forget, the women on irc are either boys or the fbi:)
[10:34] <Pizbit> (With a few fat old men thrown in)
[10:34] <thoreauputic> Pizbit:  or both :)
[10:34] <Pizbit> Heh
[10:34] <Mithrandir> lifeless: ew; same error as last time?
[10:34] <gruberman> Sometimes they are men in funny clothes
[10:34] <lifeless> Mithrandir: I dunno, cause I can't get to the console :|
[10:34] <lifeless> but I presume so :)
[10:36] <Mithrandir> lifeless: hmm, ok, and you didn't do anything special before this?
[10:37] <lifeless> nope
[10:37] <lifeless> nutting special at all.
[10:37] <lifeless> I'm going to try and reproduce the console hang, so I can see if I can get dmesg stuff
[10:38] <Thor> hey thoreauputic
[10:38] <lifeless> also, during the boot, it errors about 'hardware clock inaccessible using all known methods'
[10:39] <Thor> i replaced the menu file in /home/.fluxbox with the one you gave me
[10:39] <Mithrandir> lifeless: echo rtc >> /etc/modules
[10:39] <Thor> and it still shows the same menu
[10:41] <thoreauputic> thor, hmm... that is not good
[10:41] <thoreauputic> thor ok do this
[10:42] <Greensky> are there any ubuntu packages for galeon?
[10:42] <thoreauputic> Thor, hang on a minute - I need to do a bit of a search on the other machine
[10:42] <Thor> ok, no probs
[10:42] <thoreauputic> Greensky, no
[10:43] <Greensky> thoreauputic, any idea how I request that it gets put into universe?
[10:43] <Greensky> or is that not likely to happen?
[10:44] <Pizbit> What's galeon again?
[10:44] <thoreauputic> Thor,  do this : in a terminal, cd ~/.fluxbox
[10:44] <plovs_work> what else do i need to do to et samba working? changed /home settings to readable etc, did sudo  smbpasswd -a username
[10:44] <plovs_work> but i can't login
[10:45] <thoreauputic> Greensky, apparently it wouldn't build properly
[10:45] <Thor> terminal in fluxbox, or gnome ?
[10:45] <Greensky> thoreauputic, yeah, I tried to compile it myself, but it didn't work...
[10:45] <thoreauputic> Thor, either, doean't matter
[10:45] <thoreauputic> Thor: ok are you in .fluxbox?
[10:46] <skar> hi, how do i see a udp data transfer between two computers?
[10:46] <Thor> yep
[10:46] <skar> can i use netstat or iptraf?
[10:46] <Pizbit> skar: Both
[10:47] <thoreauputic> Thor: sudo cp -a menu /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu
[10:47] <plovs_work> anybody got samba working here?
[10:47] <thoreauputic> Thor: run that to copy it to the right file, OK?
[10:47] <Pizbit> plovs_work: Maybe you need a 'valid users = username ' in the share definition, just guessing
[10:48] <Pizbit> plovs_work: Although to be honest I found google the most helpful when trying to setup samba.
[10:48] <Thor> it said "missing destination file"
[10:48] <skar> pizbit:any idea on how to see the udp port which is receiving the packets and the speed at which data is received in iptraf?
[10:48] <thoreauputic> Thor: oh dear
[10:48] <Thor> fluxbox is screwed isnt it ?
[10:49] <Thor> i would use fxce
[10:49] <thoreauputic> Thor: hmm - yours appears to be, yeah
[10:49] <Thor> i htink thats what its called, but it didnt have many settings and samba didnt wokr :P
[10:49] <thoreauputic> Thor:  do this : sudo touch /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu
[10:49] <plovs_work> Pizbit, probably right, and it didn't yet help
[10:51] <Thor> it just wnet ot next line
[10:51] <thoreauputic> Thor: any output from that command?
[10:51] <Thor> did nothing
[10:51] <thoreauputic> Thor: that's good
[10:51] <thoreauputic> Thor: now try   sudo cp -a menu /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu
[10:52] <Thor> menu SPACE /etc yes ?
[10:53] <Thor> or is it menu/etc
[10:53] <thoreauputic> Thor: just as I typed it
[10:53] <thoreauputic> with the space
[10:53] <thoreauputic> the space is crucial
[10:54] <SuperLag> How can you get GRUB to dual-boot Ubuntu with another Linux distro?  I'm using the same format as my other entries, yet GRUB says file not found, when it tries to load the kernek, even though I'm pretty sure I'm looking at the right person
[10:54] <Thor> well, now it did nothing
[10:54] <Thor> just skipped to next line
[10:54] <thoreauputic> Thor: heh - silence is good
[10:54] <Thor> hehe, cool :)
[10:54] <thoreauputic> that means no errors
[10:54] <thoreauputic> Thor now try your menu in flux again - you might need to restart fluxbox
[10:56] <Thor> yay
[10:56] <Thor> the menu and all works
[10:56] <thoreauputic> Thor, wow, and I'm not even surprised :)
[10:56] <Thor> hehe
[10:57] <Thor> so now how do i get the rest of it to work ?
[10:57] <SuperLag> any of you guys dual boot Ubuntu with another Linux distro?
[10:57] <thoreauputic> Thor; but most of the entries will not do anything
[10:57] <thoreauputic> Thor: try playing with a style or two, if they are showing now
[10:57] <Mithrandir> anybody know if SATA DVD burners are supported?
[10:58] <Thor> yep, all the styles work
[10:58] <Thor> so are you saying that now i will have to make my own menu's
[10:58] <thoreauputic> Thor: what this means is that the menu you now edit is in /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu
[10:59] <Thor> to clarify
[10:59] <thoreauputic> Thor: to edit that you will need to start your editoe with sudo
[10:59] <Thor> the themes on the fluxbox site
[10:59] <Thor> they only change the appearnce, and they dont have their own menus ??
[10:59] <thoreauputic> Thor: I can't tell you everything, much as I'd like to...
[10:59] <Thor> hehe
[11:00] <Thor> yeah i know :)
[11:00] <thoreauputic> Thor: they change the appearance, yes
[11:00] <Thor> :(
[11:00] <Thor> i was hoping to get am nu :P
[11:00] <thoreauputic> Thor: to edit the menu, run :   sudo gedit /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu
[11:01] <lifeless> Mithrandir: I can't get it to do anything other than lockup.
[11:01] <lifeless> suggestions ?
[11:01] <Mithrandir> lifeless: kernel debugging isn't my strong side, so not really -- file a bug and get directions from Herbert?
[11:01] <lifeless> bug filed already :p
[11:01] <thoreauputic> Thor: unfortunately it appears the debian installer has not given you a menu so you will have to do some learning
[11:02] <thoreauputic> I mean apt or dpkg, of course
[11:02] <Thor> when i do that comman,d it shows an empty thing
[11:02] <Thor> theres nothing in there
[11:02] <thoreauputic> which command?
[11:02] <Thor> sudo gedit /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu
[11:03] <thoreauputic> Thor: well, I don't understand that - here it opens the menu file - maybe a typo?
[11:04] <Thor> it opens the edit thing
[11:04] <thoreauputic> Thor: what does ls /etc/X11/fluxbox/ say
[11:04] <Thor> but hte mun file appears to be epmty
[11:05] <thoreauputic> Thor: did you use a capital X ? and two ones  ? X11
[11:05] <SuperLag> any of you guys dual boot Ubuntu with another Linux distro? I'm trying to get my entry in grub correct, and it follows the convention for my other distros but when I hit Enter on the line for Ubuntu even though the kernel IS there.  Am I missing something?
[11:05] <Thor> nvm
[11:06] <Thor> i opened the menu file manually
[11:06] <thoreauputic> Thor: hard to do all this over IRC :(
[11:06] <SuperLag> Thor: is that to me?
[11:06] <Thor> no superlag
[11:07] <thoreauputic> Thor: ah, OK but you might find you can't write to it unless you started nautilus as sudo nautilus
[11:07] <Thor> this is gonan take a while ;P
[11:07] <thoreauputic> Thor: only root has write permissions to that file
[11:07] <tdjb> superlag: what error do you get?
[11:08] <SuperLag> tdjb: file not found
[11:08] <SuperLag> tdjb: but I KNOW the file is there, and it's named right
[11:09] <tdjb> superlag: and you're sure you have the right root point setup?
[11:09] <thoreauputic> Thor: to find the commands you need for your menu, you do : which <nam-of-program>
[11:09] <SuperLag> The part I'm not sure about is if I'm missing an option for Ubuntu or not...
[11:09] <SuperLag> The other distro is Gentoo, and I tried following that convention, but it didn't work either
[11:09] <SuperLag> sda == Gentoo, sdb == Ubuntu
[11:10] <tdjb> so your gentoo and ubuntu each have a different root "point" then right?
[11:11] <Thor> you in sydney thoreauputic ?
[11:11] <tdjb> like for example on mine i had one setup as hd0,0 and the other would be hd0,1
[11:11] <thoreauputic> Thor, Wollongong (about 85km south of Sydney)
[11:11] <SuperLag> tdjb: in my case, its hd0,0 and hd1,0
[11:12] <tdjb> so those are all ok though?
[11:13] <SuperLag> tdjb: www.linuxlooney.com/grub.conf
[11:17] <Thor> woohoo
[11:17] <tdjb> you don't have your ubuntu kernel in the /boot directory? it's actually in the / directory?
[11:18] <SuperLag> tdjb: it is in /boot, I just modified that... that's Gentoo's weird naming comvention
[11:18] <SuperLag> brb
[11:20] <thoreauputic> Thor: how's it going?
[11:20] <cenerentola> is there any kind of gui ide for mysql [like ms access] ?
[11:22] <elwood> cenerentola,  sure..search on freshmeat.net :)
[11:22] <tdjb> cenerentola: phpmyadmin?
[11:22] <cenerentola> no... id like to make a gui for a database
[11:23] <cenerentola> graphical interface... not for the administration but for the normal us
[11:23] <cenerentola> e
[11:23] <Treenaks> cenerentola: like .. gnomedb?
[11:23] <cenerentola> treenaks: maybe
[11:24] <cenerentola> treenaks: whats it for?
[11:24] <Treenaks> http://directory.fsf.org/devel/specific/gnomedb.html
[11:26] <cenerentola> treenaks: is it like visual c++? can i creat gui with the use of the mice?
[11:27] <cenerentola> another thing.. is there anything to convert all the .doc archives to a linux-compatible format...
[11:27] <Treenaks> cenerentola: gnomedb is just the framework
[11:28] <Treenaks> cenerentola: basically, a generic database library
[11:28] <cenerentola> treenaks: ok and a progams that use it?
[11:28] <jdub> cenerentola: try mergeant
[11:28] <jdub> it's based on gnomedb
[11:28] <jdub> it's a gui like access, only it doesn't have forms yet
[11:29] <Treenaks> and then there's the hordes of people who do database stuff in excell because "Access is too complicated"...
[11:29] <Treenaks> and of course, you don't ask your IT department.. because they'll say "no" anyway
[11:30] <cenerentola> and the thing to convert doc into .compatible
[11:31] <Treenaks> cenerentola: I use wv, send back plain text.. pisses most Word-senders off :)
[11:31] <Treenaks> cenerentola: also, sending a .dvi tends to get the point across ;)
[11:31] <Treenaks> ("DVI stands for device independant... you can't view it? must be a problem with your device then..")
[11:32] <cenerentola> treenaks: what do you mean... sorry but im doing to many things
[11:32] <SuperLag> tdjb: nope
[11:32] <SuperLag> it doesn't work
[11:32] <SuperLag> still says file not found
[11:32] <cenerentola> to have the opportunity to think
[11:32] <thoreauputic> Treenaks: BOFH stuff ... HAHA
[11:32] <gruberman> cenerentola, you could us gnomedb instead of phpmyadmin to set up your db's? Don't want to install phpmyadmin
[11:33] <cenerentola> gruber: no i want a gui creator
[11:33] <gruberman> k
[11:34] <Thor> thoreauputic , iedited the menu
[11:34] <Thor> and added firefox to the list :P
[11:35] <Greensky> has anyone seen this error w/the ati binary drivers: [fglrx]  Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers
[11:36] <Treenaks> thoreauputic: hey, it works ;)
[11:36] <thoreauputic> Treenaks: I like your style :)
[11:36] <cenerentola> treenaks: wv? what i cant find the website
[11:41] <tdjb> superlag: what does fdisk -l show?
[11:41] <tmartin> has anyone here been able to use gdb with ubuntu?
[11:42] <tmartin> i just installed ubuntu a few days ago and am trying to get it set up for development but im getting all these errors when compiling programs for use with gdb :(
[11:43] <tmartin> some sorta problem with start.S and i dont know where to begin to fix this
[11:45] <Keybuk> tmartin: do you have build-essential installed?
[11:45] <tmartin> yup
[11:45] <ThreeDayMonk> I've got gnome-pilot working, and I want to install files - but I don't know where I should put them for the file conduit to pick them up
[11:45] <Keybuk> can you /msg me the error you get
[11:48] <tmartin> yes one sec
[11:58] <esrever_otua> hi all
[12:01] <esrever_otua> quick comment on the Totem movie player included with Warty; it doesn't seem to recognise that a *.ogm file is a video file...  I have many *.ogm with the video codec used being XviD and the audio codec vorbis...  It will only play them as audio...
[12:01] <Pizbit> Try changing to totem-xine
[12:02] <Pizbit> Oh, have you got the xvid condecs installed?
[12:02] <ztonzy> hi :)
[12:02] <Pizbit> Hey
[12:03] <esrever_otua> *blinks*  Pizbit how?  (what's the easiest way to do that?) I looked in synaptic; do I need to add a 3rd-party repository?
[12:03] <Pizbit> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:03] <ztonzy> I am new user of Ubuntu and I trying get Totem to view either .mov .wmv or similar types...how to fix it ? havent found any nice fix for it
[12:03] <Pizbit> ztonzy: See the link I just pasted too
[12:03] <wm_eddie> ztonzy: http://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/sources.list
[12:03] <esrever_otua> aha, the old patent issues with mpeg4 raise their head?
[12:04] <Pizbit> esrever_otua: Yeah, sucks eh?
[12:04] <esrever_otua> Pizbit: c'est la vie :/
[12:04] <Pizbit> Indeed.
[12:04] <ztonzy> so we aren't allowed to view those :O ?
[12:04] <Pizbit> ztonzy: Did you check out my link?
[12:05] <gruberman> hmm... Isn't nicotine in the repositories any longer?
[12:05] <ztonzy> Pizbit, yes, reading...
[12:06] <ztonzy> hmm
[12:06] <Pizbit> It's actually very simple:)
[12:06] <ztonzy> maybe...but then I am not native in english either
[12:07] <Pizbit> Basically edit /etc/apt/sources.list to include 'deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main' then run 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get install w32codecs'
[12:07] <Pizbit> Drop the sudo if you're already root hehe
[12:07] <ztonzy> ah
[12:07] <esrever_otua> Pizbit: good link, what I've always found odd is how hard it is to find a good sample sources.list from the debian main page :)
[12:08] <Pizbit> esrever_otua: Yeah, debian.org is a bit of a hassle to get infomation out of
[12:08] <srocc> hi@all
[12:08] <esrever_otua> hi srocc
[12:08] <srocc> hab da ein seltsames Problem:
[12:09] <srocc> gerade ubuntu installiert, hat auch alle funktioniert, doch nun hngt er sich nach dem einlggen auf
[12:09] <srocc> bzw macht einfach nicht weiter
[12:09] <Pizbit> srocc: Do you know english?
[12:09] <esrever_otua> on the ++ side, I'm fully impressed with ubuntu and will probably be installing for my father this Christmas when I replace his computer for him.
[12:09] <srocc> Pizbit: sry
[12:09] <ztonzy> Pizbit, thanks for help
[12:10] <srocc> okay, i hade installed ubuntu an halfe our again
[12:10] <srocc> (excuse my bad english)
[12:10] <esrever_otua> Astonishingly, it actually gets the ATI fglrx drivers working (most of the time ;)
[12:10] <wm_eddie> I can't wait to get my Ubuntu CDs I'm going to give them away to everybody.
[12:10] <ztonzy> hhm does this require totem-xine or totem-gstreamer ?
[12:11] <srocc> if i log in, the login screen don't come and i cannot enter the gnome desktop
[12:11] <esrever_otua> wm_eddie: heh, yep.
[12:11] <srocc> gdm works
[12:11] <Pizbit> ztonzy: I recommend totem-xine, it seems to work better or so I've heard, personally I use straight xine
[12:11] <esrever_otua> srocc: off a clean install?
[12:11] <afanian> hi everyone
[12:11] <esrever_otua> Pizbit: xine rocks.
[12:11] <wm_eddie> srocc: Does gnome complain about the .ICEauthority file?
[12:12] <srocc> esrever_otua: je i hade logged in one time and no it don't work
[12:12] <ztonzy> Pizbit, I have tried to locate it...but not been able to find totem-xine :-\
[12:12] <Pizbit> ztonzy: Have you enabled universe?
[12:12] <afanian> got a problem with installing the ubuntu
[12:12] <srocc> Pizbit: yes at the moment
[12:12] <esrever_otua> srocc: if you create a new user and log in with them does it work OK?
[12:12] <ztonzy> Pizbit no...I see now I havent
[12:12] <Pizbit> ztonzy: Yeah, enable then apt-get update again
[12:12] <srocc> esrever_otua: no it don't i get an error in /var/log/messages *mom*
[12:13] <esrever_otua> srocc: what video card do you use?
[12:13] <srocc> esrever_otua: nvidia
[12:13] <afanian> got a problem with installing the ubuntu, i can't install the base system
[12:13] <ztonzy> Pizbit, if I install totem-xine...it also seems to remove totem-gstreamer and uh!  ubuntu-desktop...should it be like that ?
[12:13] <afanian> i get the error 1, aftet 22% completiong
[12:14] <esrever_otua> srocc: with the nvidia driver, or the xorg builtin driver?
[12:14] <Pizbit> ztonzy: ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package, it doesn't hurt to go away, the totem-gstreamer has to go:)
[12:14] <Pizbit> totem-xine replaces totem-gstreamer :)
[12:14] <ztonzy> Pizbit, ok...so I am safe :D
[12:15] <srocc> esrever_otua: the standard driver
[12:15] <wm_eddie> srocc: My problem with not being able to log in was that ~/.ICEauthority didn't have the correct permissions. You might want to check that if it's not a problem with your video card driver.
[12:15] <wm_eddie> And now I go to sleep. it's 6am...
[12:16] <deFrysk> wm_eddie, that has to do with installing k3b
[12:16] <srocc> wm_eddie: okay, i will look
[12:16] <HauntedUnix> afanian: Please, keep conversation in #ubuntu. However i'm sure asking the channel your question will produce all the answers you need
[12:16] <deFrysk> nothing to do with nv drivers
[12:16] <wm_eddie> deFrysk: Ahhh ok...
[12:16] <afanian> got a problem with installing the ubuntu, i can't install the base system
[12:16] <afanian> i get the error 1, aftet 22% completiong
[12:16] <Pizbit> afanian: Did the cd burn properly?
[12:17] <afanian> yeah
[12:17] <afanian> everything goes ok untill that
[12:17] <esrever_otua> deFrysk: probably not, I asked as i've had problem like that with gnome+ati card *shrugs* :)
[12:17] <srocc> wm_eddie: -rw------ are the rights of this file
[12:17] <ztonzy> Pizbit, thanks! it works :D
[12:17] <srocc> the owner is srocc and i logg in as srocc
[12:18] <Pizbit> ztonzy: No probs:)
[12:19] <srocc> there ist a problem with gconf.xml.mandatory
[12:19] <srocc> is the message of /var/log/messages
[12:19] <deFrysk> srocc did you use aanything other then the defaults during install ?
[12:20] <afanian> Pizbit : the cd did burn properly, and other things work properly till then
[12:20] <srocc> h
[12:20] <srocc> m
[12:20] <srocc> deFrysk: i made an /boot partition
[12:20] <fishytimlong> how does one change the screen resolution? I know my video card/screen can handle more than 1024x768, but in the change resolution window, i don't get any better options.
[12:20] <srocc> and a swap parition by hand
[12:21] <deFrysk> srocc, I ment during the sec part of the install (after reboot)
[12:21] <srocc> no i don't think so
[12:21] <Treenaks> fishytimlong: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and select "medium" or "advanced" monitor configuration.. and select the resolutions you want
[12:21] <Pizbit> afanian: cd still may not have burnt properly, any errors in alt+F1 onwards?
[12:22] <deFrysk> do you have a seperate /home partition srocc ?
[12:22] <srocc> deFrysk: no
[12:22] <deFrysk> srocc, the default setup should work fine
[12:22] <DXT> is there a standalone application for gnome such as the gdesklets starterbar? osx style thingie :)
[12:22] <srocc> it doesn't
[12:22] <deFrysk> srocc, no clue
[12:22] <srocc> hm
[12:23] <srocc> i make an update atm
[12:23] <srocc> i hope it will work
[12:23] <afanian> Pizbit: ok, sorry i'm a total begginer, alt+f1, what does that do and where can i check that?
[12:23] <Pizbit> afanian: alt+f1 or alt+f2 should change what you're looking at and might show some errors
[12:25] <afanian> Pizbit: it says it exits with error 1, does that mean anything to you?
[12:25] <fishytimlong> Treenaks: thanks
[12:25] <Pizbit> nope
[12:26] <afanian> so you think it's probably the cd then?
[12:27] <deFrysk> afanian, does the sreen turn red ?
[12:27] <deFrysk> during the error ?
[12:27] <deFrysk> screen
[12:28] <deFrysk> afanian, cleaning the disk might help
[12:30] <afanian> no it just aborts, and gives the red message saying it couldn't complete it
[12:30] <afanian> and exits with error 1
[12:30] <esrever_otua> srocc: possibly the installer b0rked the permissions on that file? (/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory) or maybe the cd is a bad burn?
[12:30] <fishytimlong> can you recommend a decent c++ IDE that works well with ubuntu? (I'm quite a linux noobie, though i used kdevelop breifly)...usually do all my development on MSVC++)
[12:31] <arun--> ubuntu is great, i am very happy with it
[12:31] <afanian> Pizbit: if it's the cd, can i find it out from the alt+F1 or F2?
[12:32] <arun--> but i have a minor problem with the laptop cooling fan
[12:32] <Pizbit> nope
[12:32] <arun--> it runs all the time even if the temperature is 43 C
[12:32] <arun--> any idea?
[12:32] <Daenzello> hi people, i wish to start some soft (xbindkeys, idesk) at the start of X, any idea of th do that ? (something like ~/.Xprofile with the slackware's gdm)
[12:33] <afanian> ok, i'll try installing it again and then come back
[12:33] <Aard> Daenzello: .xinitrc, .xsession, depending on the way you start X
[12:33] <afanian> thanks for the time Pizbit
[12:33] <afanian> :D
[12:34] <Daenzello> if i add "/usr/bin/xbindkeys &" to .xsession gnome doesnt start -_- is there a syntaxe to use ?
[12:35] <srocc> okay i see the problem
[12:35] <mdz> Daenzello: computer->desktop preferences->sessions->startup programs
[12:36] <Daenzello> ah coool
[12:36] <Daenzello> i use gnome since yesterday ^^
[12:36] <srocc> on /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.default on position  0 ist only geadebl
[12:36] <srocc> readabl
[12:37] <arun--> can someone please answer my questoin? thank you
[12:43] <esrever_otua> arun--: how new/old is laptop?
[12:44] <arun--> esrever_otua: it is pretty new, i would say about 10 months .. it is IBM Think Pad T41
[12:46] <esrever_otua> arun--: hmmm.  I have IBM R40 lappy with 2.6.8 kernel (the laptop runs Fedora).  Everything seems to work OK for me...  does this command give you output?:::: 'cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature'
[12:48] <gruberman> Does anyone know about any good trackers for linux?
[12:49] <arun--> esrever_otua: yes it returns "temperature    42 C"
[12:52] <esrever_otua> arun--: then acpi works ok, so it has no excuse... :( what about::::: 'cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/trip_points'
[12:54] <burnboy> how can i find out what driver is being used for my network card?
[12:55] <Pizbit> gruberman: trackers?
[12:55] <arun--> esrever_otua: critical (S5): 93 C
[12:55] <arun--> esrever_otua: passive: 90 C: tc1=5 tc2=4 tsp=600 devices=0xeff5e4c0
[12:57] <arun--> esrever_otua: the fan is not loud or anything, but it rarely runs under winxp unless the cpu or the hardisk is stressed, but in ubuntu, it always runs
[12:57] <gruberman> Pizbit, oldchool way of making music. linux isn't exactly on top when it comes to music production ;)
[01:00] <lml> I am trying to get transcode on my Ubuntu box. I have found transcode in the marillat repo, but when trying to apt-get it I get and error that libjasper cannot be found. Any ideas?
[01:01] <Aard> lml: the marrilat mplayer binaries suck a bit, imo it's better to build it from scratch. follow the docs at the mplayer homepage.
[01:02] <lml> Aard: That is the other thing, I have been trying to compile transcode from scratch, but am having trouble getting a working development environment.
[01:02] <lml> Aard: Something about the preprocessor is not sane.
[01:05] <Aard> lml: tried to upgrade the gcc-package? are _all_ packages needed for gcc installed?
[01:05] <esrever_otua> arun--: there is definitely something wrong; according to the stuff you have checked, it shouldn't be aggressively cooling until 90oC... :-/
[01:05] <iminj> Anyone able to use gaim to access irc? It won't connect for me ... ( using X-Chat now)
[01:05] <lml> Aard: I think so, should I remove old version of gcc?
[01:06] <Aard> lml: I got that problem using debian sid some time ago on several boxes.  I can't remember exactly what I did, maybe it would be best to remove gcc, install it again, and hope that deps will work this time...
[01:06] <arun--> esrever_otua: i also noticed that during ubuntu boot up, when the pci_hotplug module is trying to be loaded, the fan starts, and it doesnt stop after that, do you think if there is any link, i dont need hotplugin feature, may be i should stop loading the pci_hotplug and check it
[01:08] <vinsci> lml, you can have multiple gcc versions installed at the same time
[01:09] <esrever_otua> arun--: now that's *really* odd... could it be stomping on the acpi somehow?  hmmm very interesting.... certainly turn off its loading and see if problem goes away, definitely...  a laptop shouldn't need that module, I wouldn't think  ( I know I don't use it...)
[01:11] <esrever_otua> burnboy: 'lsmod' and guess... ;-)  or you might get lucky and find it aliased in /etc/modprobe.conf
[01:16] <arun--> esrever_otua: when i did a /etc/init.d/hotplug stop,
[01:16] <arun--> my usb mouse died :), but no change in the fan
[01:17] <cenerentola> sorry how does the dist-upgrade work under synaptic?
[01:18] <arun--> how to unload the module pci_hotplug ?
[01:18] <cenerentola> rrmod
[01:18] <cenerentola> sorryu
[01:18] <deFrysk> cenerentola, smart-update = dist-upgrade
[01:18] <cenerentola> where's it
[01:19] <deFrysk> *smart-upgrade
[01:19] <cenerentola> no its not rmmod
[01:19] <cenerentola> smart-upgrade: ive got the italian one...
[01:19] <cenerentola> where's it in the gui?
[01:20] <cenerentola> ahhh
[01:20] <cenerentola> got it..
[01:20] <cenerentola> and what does do it?
[01:20] <zenwhen> "Not that!"  I don't know the names of the modules themselves...
[01:30] <esrever_otua> i gotta go for now (00:30am here ;) night all.
[01:33] <Pizbit> Nuts, some guy has sent the same email to the user list three times
[01:35] <cenerentola> and if id like to try the hoary... is there any kind of iso's or should i install the warthy and then add the hoary repositories?
[01:38] <Pizbit> I'd wait a while before tyring hoary
[01:38] <Pizbit> trying*
[01:38] <cenerentola> pizbit: why?
[01:38] <cenerentola> iso or repositories?
[01:40] <Pizbit> Lotsa stuff going on, I'd wait for it to settle down a bit.
[01:40] <Pizbit> Besides, from what I saw on the user list it's gonna be a while before the fun stuff gets into it.
[01:41] <cenerentola> ok... but how can i install it'
[01:43] <cenerentola> who knows a nice rar archive handler for linux.. said that unrar doesnt unpack the archive im trying to unpack
[01:45] <Pizbit> You change the sources.list where it says warty to hoary
[01:45] <jdub> cenerentola: strongly recommend you don't use hoary
[01:46] <jdub> cenerentola: it is a development branch, right at the beginning, it's going to break all over the place
[01:59] <plasmo> weee im playing counterstrike on ubuntu :D
[01:59] <L|nu}{> weeee :D
[01:59] <plasmo> ^^
[01:59] <L|nu}{> hehe..
[01:59] <plasmo> ahh this is the stuff lol
[02:00] <plasmo> dont need to dual boot windows now
[02:01] <cardador> plasmo: which cs? cs source??
[02:01] <gruberman> plasmo, I feel sorry for you ;)
[02:01] <plasmo> cs 1.6
[02:01] <plasmo> :)
[02:02] <plasmo> ill get cs source when halflife2 comes out
[02:04] <Evil2000> hi
[02:05] <plasmo> hello
[02:06] <Evil2000> are there cvs builds of multisync?
[02:06] <Evil2000> i've only found some for debian sid so far, and they don't work
[02:07] <ahood> Hi All
[02:08] <ahood> I am about to recommend to a friend to try out Ubuntu (his WindowsXP has had major problems after installing SP2 and is looking for something better). However, I am concerned about dual boot problems with Ubuntu and WinXP.
[02:10] <ahood> I am reading quite a few posts at the Ubuntu forums that users cannot boot into WinXP after installing Ubuntu. Can anyone provide additional information on how to avoid this issue?
[02:11] <stuNNed> ahood, you need to edit grub.conf after installing ubuntu and add an entry for winxp, i used the example in that file and it worked find for a friend of mine
[02:11] <cardador> stuNNed: the ubuntu installer does that automatically
[02:12] <ahood> stuNNed: the example is in the grub.conf file, correct?
[02:12] <hazmat> anyone know how to mount a firewire drive under ubuntu?
[02:12] <BrianB04> MOrning all
[02:13] <netmonk> stuNNed, where is the grug.conf located?
[02:13] <hazmat> i used to be able to mount my ipod as a firewire drive, but the spb2 module isn't recognizing it as disk since i updated it.
[02:13] <hazmat> er. updated ubuntu
[02:15] <cenerentola> something to convert outlook express dbx to mbox or other evolution compatible
[02:15] <stuNNed> netmonk, ahood: sorry it's menu.lst in /boot for ubuntu
[02:15] <netmonk> oks, 10x
[02:15] <Pizbit>  /boot/grub/
[02:16] <stuNNed> yes
[02:16] <stuNNed> ahood, netmonk: /boot/grub dir actually
[02:16] <tuxx> Hello ppl
[02:16] <netmonk> yes, 10x
[02:17] <urukhai> hi
[02:17] <ahood> stuNNed: Thanks too.
[02:17] <ka24> ahood: i had no problems with it on a winxp home box
[02:18] <visor> hi folks
[02:18] <tuxx> Does anyone have a rocksolid guide for installing nvidia on Ubuntu 4.10 ?
[02:19] <ahood> ks24: Thanks, good to hear.
[02:19] <tuxx> I seem to find the files in apt-get but it seems not to be activated uppon install
[02:19] <visor> tuxx: synaptic does it
[02:19] <tuxx> visor yeah but despite the fact that they are installed they're not activate. I prob. do something wrong but what?
[02:20] <visor> btw, anyone knows how to enable services in ubuntu? i cant connect ssh, or can someone give me a uri to read please?
[02:20] <netmonk> how can I get programs listed in the Applications menu?
[02:20] <visor> tuxx: have you changed already the module name in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ?
[02:20] <ka24> netmonk: go to applications:// in nautilus and create your shortcuts
[02:21] <plasmo> tux: mm if its not activated then try in terminal 'nvidia-glx-config'
[02:21] <visor> netmonk: they need to have a .desktop file within them, if they dont, then you have to write one and put them on gnome apps directory
[02:21] <netmonk> oki, 10x
[02:21] <jpvcx> tuxx: did you do this after the install(assuming you used the ubuntu package): sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[02:21] <netmonk> :)
[02:21] <tuxx> plasmo ok. Just to verify I have all installed - which pakages should I have installed? I have the nvidia-glx but do I need more?
[02:22] <tuxx> jpvcx no I didn't. Maybe that'll do the trick
[02:22] <plasmo> dunno ;x
[02:23] <jpvcx> tux:after that hit ctrl+alt and backspace
[02:23] <tuxx> jpvcx, do I need to shutdown X first?
[02:23] <visor> so how does one enable services like sshd ? :)
[02:23] <rufus> register
[02:23] <ka24> vincent: more than likely just install the ssh server package
[02:23] <tuxx> jpvcx I'll give it a try.. this 60Hz is giving me a major headache :-)
[02:25] <visor> uhmm no, indeed i have it already installed but i read once in a site that ubuntu disables all services, i dont know where i read that but i did, and the fact is that i dont know how to set those services up
[02:25] <Keybuk> visor: install openssh-server
[02:26] <visor> uhmmm
[02:26] <visor> okey, then sshd isnt installed by default
[02:26] <Keybuk> indeed
[02:26] <visor> i dint noticed
[02:26] <visor> thanks
[02:26] <visor> let me see
[02:26] <Keybuk> installed servers start automatically
[02:27] <tuxx> jpvcx, it worked! How could I have missed that single command... thanks
[02:27] <visor> stupid me, its just im not used to debian
[02:28] <jpvcx> tuxx:np
[02:28] <visor> other distros just bundle everything in one single package
[02:28] <plasmo> bloat :)
[02:28] <plasmo> oh wait -_-
[02:29] <visor> oh and btw i been having a lot of problems mounting smb shares not just in ubuntu but in any distro with samba 3.x anyone of you had something like me ?
[02:29] <Keybuk> that's actually an extra Ubuntu split; but yes, Debian does tend to split packages more than rpm based distros
[02:30] <Keybuk> dunno, samba for me is like the little girl with a curl on her for'ed
[02:30] <Keybuk> some days it's very, very nice and just works
[02:30] <Keybuk> and other days...  well
[02:30] <visor> haha
[02:30] <Keybuk> though, from what I gather, that's true of Windows-only networks as well
[02:30] <broonie> Are there any known stability problems with the PowerPC kernels? I'm experienceing frequent hard luckups.
[02:30] <tuxx> How would I enable my cdrw-burner? cdrecord gives me something 'bout  No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver
[02:31] <visor> yeah, but i think its the smbfs module in the kernel, if i access the shares trough gnome-vfs (nautilus) then everything works fine, but mounting them hangs too much at random times
[02:31] <visor> errors like: "smb_add_request [hex addres] : Timed out"
[02:31] <visor> lots of them
[02:32] <visor> same in suse, redhat... everything that runs samba 3.x seems to have the same problem
[02:33] <dje_> how to set environement variable ? i 've edited my .bash_profile but it's don't work
[02:33] <thoreauputic> dje_: /etc/profile
[02:33] <Pizbit> dje_: Are you exporting it?
[02:33] <ahood> Okay, I have searched the ubuntu forums and wiki for more information on editing the menu.lst file. However, I don't see an example of the exact change that will enable dual booting with WinXP (I am a linux noobie and in case I have this problem). Can anyone suggest where I can look for the exact change to make in menu.lst?
[02:34] <Pizbit> dje_: ie: export $MYENVVAR=stuff
[02:34] <dje_> yes but i want to change this only for my user not system wide
[02:34] <stvn> ahood: you know which partition windows is located?
[02:34] <sven-eric> Hi there! Does anybody know how to edit the mainmenu? I know how to add and remove program-icons, but how do i edit the first-level categories and icons?
[02:34] <Pizbit> dje_: Right, but you put that in *your* .bashrc and it'll only work for you
[02:34] <dje_> yes
[02:34] <ahood> stvn: yes, hda1
[02:35] <sven-eric> In gnome 2.8, i forgot to say :)
[02:35] <dje_> i'm exporting it, i made an export $path but it doesn't work
[02:35] <Pizbit> sven-eric: Ubuntu only has gnome2.8 :)
[02:35] <stvn> ahood: normally, uncommenting the example in menu.lst should work
[02:36] <visor> ahood: you cant boot windows xp?
[02:36] <stvn> ahood: hda1 == (hd0,0)
[02:37] <ahood> stvn visor: Thanks for the replies. I have not actually installed Ubuntu, but rather, I am trying to anticipate a possible problem I might encounter based on info I got from the Ubuntu forums.
[02:37] <Pizbit> dje_: Why did you try to offer dcc chat?
[02:38] <Pizbit> You should always ask before trying that too.:P
[02:38] <visor> ahood: then dont be afraid, ubuntu automatically added an entry to my menu.lst of my xp pro partition
[02:38] <dje_> ok i'm a newby in irc world
[02:38] <visor> ahood: remember, its ubuntu, not pure debian :), ubuntu its like debian, just desktop xD
[02:39] <ohgood> hmm, So ubuntu has an updated libparted, that doesn't screw wincrap partition tables ?
[02:39] <Pizbit> sven-eric: Dangit, I know there's something in the wiki about that, somewhere
[02:40] <ka24> sven-eric: go to applications:// in nautilus
[02:40] <dje_> pizbit: so how can i export my environement varibles just for my user ?
[02:41] <Pizbit> dje_: I've already told you
[02:41] <Pizbit> Put it into your .bashrc the one in your home directory
[02:41] <ahood> visor: Thanks for the encouragement (hehe)
[02:42] <Pizbit> Heh, the wiki is broken:)
[02:42] <dje_> Pizbit : this does not work, it's why i ask if ubuntu has something special with .bash-profile
[02:42] <ka24> heh, from the looks of things.. ubuntu is getting all the lifetime windows users
[02:42] <Pizbit> Put two things into the second box http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FindPage
[02:42] <Pizbit> dje_: It does work
[02:42] <sven-eric> That did it - thanks Pizbit and ka24!
[02:42] <ahood> stn visor: Also, if all I have to do is uncomment a few lines in menu.lst, that doesn't seem very hard.
[02:42] <stvn> ahood: ubuntu will install ubuntu just fine, so you can always use ubuntu if cp doesn't work anymore :P
[02:42] <ka24> dje_: it's not bash-profile, it's bash_profile
[02:43] <stvn> ahood: most of the time it works straight out of the box, but sometimes it doesn't and uncommenting works, and in a rare case that doesn't work either and you've to dive deeper to solve it
[02:44] <Pizbit> sven-eric: Founf it hehe: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#head-17eca0f11b06e5e4489700e0d0ce4e3f5a07090e
[02:45] <netmonk> why is it that I can't execute executable files?
[02:45] <stvn> netmonk: hundreds of different reasons possible
[02:45] <ohgood> stvn: ohhh hehe, cp=hexp i guess. ya, lotsa folks i would imagine once dual-booted, realize they don't use hexp anymore, mke2fs it ;)
[02:45] <cardador> netmonk: you mean .exe files?
[02:45] <netmonk> no
[02:45] <netmonk> I mean openoffice 1.1.3
[02:46] <netmonk> or install j2rsomething.sh
[02:46] <stvn> netmonk: what are you trying to do?
[02:46] <ka24> try sh ./jr2hwatever
[02:46] <netmonk> I'm trying to install openoffice 1.1.3
[02:46] <sven-eric> Thanks :)
[02:47] <stvn> netmonk: where did you get it from?
[02:47] <ahood> stvn: Thanks!
[02:47] <stvn> ahood: NP
[02:47] <stvn> hm caps
[02:47] <cardador> netmonk: sudo apt-get openoffice should give you 1.1.2
[02:47] <cardador> apt-get install*
[02:47] <netmonk> from the official mirror, I need this version because with 1.1.2 I can't spell in bulgarian
[02:48] <stvn> netmonk: sure it is not just a lack of bulgarian language packs?
[02:48] <dsa> greets
[02:48] <ahood> I also have another system that has Windows98SE and Xandros2. Currently this system uses LILO. I have plenty of space on this system for a third linux distribution. How will Ubuntu install on a system that has lilo?
[02:49] <dsa> can anyone tell me how to do a initrd for the 2.6.9 kernel?
[02:49] <netmonk> no, with 1.1.2 you can't set the language to Bulgarian - no such option, and because of that you can't spell. they changed it in 1.1.3
[02:49] <stvn> ahood: it will replace lilo with grub, AFAIK there's no choice offered
[02:49] <thoreauputic> netmonk: if you are trying to run a script from the dir it is in, put ./script
[02:49] <stvn> netmonk: oh ok, and so you downloaded the installer from oo.org?
[02:49] <ahood> stvn: Will the replacement prevent me from booting into Xandros?
[02:50] <cardador> ahood: normally ubuntu will add xandros and windows to the boot loader
[02:50] <stvn> ahood: probably not, it will recognise it - at least it recognised my installed dfebian system and offered me to boot to it
[02:50] <netmonk> yes stvn
[02:51] <dje_> pizbit: i checked again my .bash-profile and restarted my session : this doesn't work. This worked quite well with Fedora. Can you have a look at my file ?
[02:51] <netmonk> obviously i don't have some permissions on my ubuntu
[02:51] <stvn> netmonk: did you check if it has executable permissions?
[02:51] <lml> Is there a simple way to set up an entire c/c++ development platform in Ubuntu? Like one meta package that has dependecies to all that is needed?
[02:51] <ahood> cardador stvn: Thanks for the info.
[02:51] <Pizbit> dje_: Dude, it's either .bash_profile or .bashrc , it can only be one of those two, NOT .bash-profile
[02:52] <stvn> netmonk: do chmod +x <openoffice installer>
[02:52] <dje_> excuse i mean .bash_profile
[02:52] <thoreauputic> lml: try apt-gat install build-essential
[02:52] <cardador> lml: check anjuta
[02:52] <thoreauputic> *apt-get
[02:53] <stvn> hm bulgarian is hard to read
[02:53] <thoreauputic> cardador: won't help if he doesn't have compilers etc
[02:53] <cardador> thoreauputic: but i guess anjuta has all the required dependencies
[02:53] <cardador> at least im able to compile c and c++
[02:54] <dje_> Pizbit : JAVA_HOME=/opt/java      export JAVA_HOME        ...doesn't work !
[02:54] <ahood> After installing Ubuntu, what is the procedure for uninstalling it? Delete the partition that has Ubuntu and erase the mbr?
[02:54] <Pizbit> dje_: You're forgetting the $
[02:54] <Pizbit> dje_: Just export $JAVA_HOME=/opt/java
[02:55] <Aard> Pizbit: without $
[02:55] <thoreauputic> cardador: they are under "Recommends" in apt-cache depends anjuta
[02:55] <stvn> ahood: dunno, never met anyone who wanted to uninstallit ;) - but yes i think so
[02:55] <Pizbit> Aard: Oh yeah, only the $ if you set then export, I'm a bit rusty:)
[02:56] <dje_> pizbit: ok i'ill try.... How can i test it without restarting my session ?
[02:56] <Pizbit> dje_: Just open a new terminal and echo $JAVA_HOME
[02:57] <ahood> stvn: HEHE! If I erase the mbr, is there a way to restore lilo to boot into Xandros?
[02:57] <netmonk> stvn i did that but for some reason it won't let me execute files...
[02:57] <ka24> dje_: what terminal program are you using?
[02:57] <stvn> ahood: best way is to use xandros rescue/install disc
[02:58] <stvn> netmonk: how did you try to execute it and what's the error?
[02:58] <ka24> hence no profiles get read
[02:58] <netmonk> sh ./install
[02:58] <netmonk> line 137: permission denied
[02:58] <ahood> stvn: That makes sense. I do believe Xandros installation CD should restore the lilo bootloader, now that you mention it. Thanks!
[02:58] <cardador> netmonk: try sudo sh install
[02:59] <stvn> netmonk: can you paste the result of ls -l install
[03:00] <netmonk> -rwxr-xr-x    1 netmonk  netmonk      3601 2004-09-10 15:41 install
[03:00] <netmonk> -rwxr-xr-x    1 netmonk  netmonk      7700 2004-09-10 15:32 LICENSE
[03:00] <netmonk> -rwxr-xr-x    1 netmonk  netmonk      8244 2004-09-10 15:32 LICENSE.html
[03:00] <netmonk> -rwxr-xr-x    1 netmonk  netmonk     13982 2004-09-10 15:32 README
[03:00] <netmonk> -rwxr-xr-x    1 netmonk  netmonk     12733 2004-09-10 15:31 README.html
[03:00] <netmonk> -rwxr-xr-x    1 netmonk  netmonk     84316 2004-01-31 07:21 setup
[03:00] <netmonk> -rw-r--r--    1 netmonk  netmonk   1209373 2004-02-29 10:15 SETUP_GUIDE.pdf
[03:00] <netmonk> -rw-r--r--    1 netmonk  netmonk<PHONE_NUMBER>-09-15 06:03 setup.ins
[03:00] <netmonk> -rw-r--r--    1 netmonk  netmonk<PHONE_NUMBER>-09-17 12:02 THIRDPARTYLICENSEREA
[03:00] <stvn> hmz
[03:01] <dje_> pizbit : i tried  export $JAVA_HOME=/opt/java      it doesn't work anymore. What can i do ????
[03:01] <stvn> netmonk: right, do as cardador suggested
[03:01] <Pizbit> dje_: Someone else said to drop the $ sign when doing it that way
[03:01] <ka24> hehe
[03:01] <ahood> I tried out the Oct 13 edition of the Ubuntu LiveCD! and had two major issues with it. First, the search option under 'Computer' was missing. The second was that the Device Manager would not launch. Are these working in the Oct 22 livecd edition?
[03:01] <dje_> you mean    export JAVA_HOME=/opt/java     ?
[03:02] <Pizbit> yeah
[03:02] <ka24> ubuntu has more documentation on the site than most any linux distribution and still you get this
[03:02] <stvn> ahood: dunno, don't have the livecd
[03:02] <ka24> maybe an effort should be made to hide the irc channel in the documentation ;)
[03:02] <stvn> heh
[03:02] <Pizbit> ka24: Re the hanging thing, I was referring to the pasting.
[03:03] <netmonk> stvn
[03:03] <netmonk> i got it now
[03:03] <ka24> i figured
[03:03] <ahood> stvn: I will try it and if so, I will post a forum message thanking the developers for fixing this.
[03:03] <Pizbit> Even since I asked someone to put the pastebin link into the topic several people just keep pasting >.<
[03:03] <netmonk> obviosly i was trying to install from a partition that i didn't have serten rights
[03:03] <ka24> you'll never make them read the topic
[03:03] <Pizbit> Yeah, one can always hope though
[03:03] <ka24> have to beat them over the head with it
[03:03] <Pizbit> s/hope/dream
[03:04] <stvn> Pizbit: I asked specifically for a paste of ls -l install, knowing that it's just one line, but ah well...
[03:04] <netmonk> after i moved the folder into /home it worked
[03:04] <netmonk> ;)
[03:04] <gruberman> hmmm... grep is really nice to have
[03:04] <thoreauputic> Pizbit: heh- you expect people to actually read the /topic? ;)
[03:04] <Pizbit> stvn: Yeah I saw that:)
[03:04] <netmonk> 10x for the help, guys
[03:04] <Pizbit> stvn: Knew exactly what you wanted too
[03:04] <stvn> netmonk: no it is trying to install it self in stuff like /usr/bin etc where only a root may write
[03:04] <Pizbit> thoreauputic: Am I old fashioned?:)
[03:04] <dje_> pizbit : no more result. i'm afraid i'll have to switch on Fedora
[03:04] <cenerentola> hey ... so a rar - client for linux?
[03:05] <ka24> lol
[03:05] <thoreauputic> Pizbit: hehe ... no just idealistic I guess :)
[03:05] <Pizbit> dje_: man bash
[03:05] <stvn> Pizbit: yeah, nowadays nobody reads *at all*
[03:05] <ka24> cenerentola: several.
[03:05] <Pizbit> stvn: Damn, and I'm only 18.
[03:05] <cardador> cenerentola: sudo apt-get install rar-nonfree
[03:05] <stvn> Pizbit: you prolly grew up in a protected environment ;)
[03:06] <ka24> unrar should be a gpl one i think
[03:06] <Pizbit> stvn: Hardly :)
[03:06] <stvn> one with books, you know those analogue read only data containers without search function
[03:06] <ka24> no idea what the apt name is for it tho
[03:06] <dje_> pizbit : yhios .bash_profile worked perfectly on Fedora. I used only standard instruction. Why on hell, couldn't i export env var ?
[03:06] <cenerentola> yeah but unrar doesnt work properly
[03:06] <cardador> cenerentola: sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree
[03:06] <Pizbit> A bookcase, over 900 sci-fi books...
[03:06] <gruberman> stvn, they're great but consumes too much memory
[03:07] <ka24> dje_: my bet? you're using gnome terminal and dont have login shell checked. As i said earlier.
[03:07] <gruberman> stvn, and you can't compress them either
[03:07] <cenerentola> cardador: why -nonfree.. it wont work
[03:07] <stvn> the trouble with books is that you can read them only at 1.0x speed, so slow
[03:07] <dje_> pizbit : can you have a look at my .bash_profile have you ever tried to export variable on Ubuntu ?
[03:07] <cenerentola> unrar doesnt work...
[03:07] <thoreauputic> dje_: always safer to assume you are making a mistake before blaming the distro :)
[03:07] <cenerentola> ill pastebin
[03:08] <Pizbit> dje_: I've always thrown stuff into .bashrc :)
[03:08] <cristian> cenerentola: try "rar x filename"
[03:08] <dje_> ka24 : so what can i do ?
[03:08] <stvn> cenerentola: there are several rar utilities in universe and multiverse, just search for rar in synaptic
[03:08] <ka24> click edit/current profile
[03:08] <Pizbit> dje_: But at this point ka24 probably has hit the nail on it's head.
[03:08] <ka24> option is on the first tab
[03:08] <enabl> cenerentola http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#head-e0e6dc9e5bd6728be5ddaf3c500b9271ccb9390a
[03:08] <gruberman> ka24, is it recommended to have that checked?
[03:08] <cenerentola> multiverse?
[03:08] <ka24> second tab, my bad
[03:09] <stvn> cenerentola: more non-free stuff
[03:09] <stvn> right, lunch
[03:09] <ka24> gruberman: yea, without it you miss prompt settings and stuff
[03:09] <gruberman> ka24, thx
[03:10] <cenerentola> thx
[03:11] <dje_> ka24: I tried to without success. My var are just not esxported
[03:12] <tuxx> G'day ppl
[03:12] <ka24> dje_: try '. ~/.bash_profile'
[03:12] <ka24> minus the ''
[03:13] <tuxx> How do I get Ubunto to pay attention to .Xdefaults so I can launch aterm with my prefs?
[03:14] <Aard> tuxx: try if it wants to read .Xresources (ln -s .Xdefaults .Xresources)
[03:15] <erickmorillo> greets
[03:15] <erickmorillo> can anyone please help me with initrd?
[03:15] <tuxx> Aard it wont :-(  Any other way to start Aterm with prefs?
[03:15] <dje_> ka24: ok my .bash_profile was just not permited as executable
[03:15] <thoreauputic> dje_: does it work if you do the export and then do " source .bash_profile  ' ?
[03:15] <BrianB04> Can I worship the developers of Ubuntu?
[03:16] <ka24> it's not supposed to be executable
[03:16] <tuxx> BrianB04 yes but first if you've got it to play Divx without any problem
[03:16] <BrianB04> I'm just all happy cause it found, and configured my wireless card without a glitch.
[03:17] <BrianB04> Here I'm thinking I will have to be wired to install it, download Linuxant, install that, find the .inf of my card, install that...and instead, it detected it at install
[03:18] <Aard> tuxx: try `xrdb ~/.Xdefaults'
[03:18] <dje_> OK all work fine now.... thanks you
[03:19] <tuxx> Aard you're tha bomb!! Dunno what it did but it worked :-)
[03:19] <thoreauputic> dje_: what was the thing that fixed it?
[03:19] <jdub> BrianB04: rocking :)
[03:19] <Aard> tuxx: it rereads the .Xresources-file. though it should do that automatically...
[03:20] <tuxx> Aard ahh okay. Now I just need to get my cd-rw drive working with cdrecord. That seems not to be that easy a job afterall
[03:20] <BrianB04> Now, if I could figure out why the heck you can't find a wired keyboard + mouse to save your life.
[03:20] <Aard> dunno if it will work without calling xrdb when you start X the next time, though..
[03:20] <Aard> tuxx: problems? kernel-version?
[03:20] <tuxx> Aard I'll write it down just in case maybe put it into a script if so
[03:20] <dje_> thoreauputic: my .bash_profile was not marked as executable
[03:21] <tuxx> Aard <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:21] <Aard> tuxx: if it does not work ask google for .Xdefaults, and maybe xrdb. at least you'll find explanations what it does, and maybe hints for fixing it
[03:21] <will_> ah wine oh wine!
[03:21] <Aard> tuxx: and what's the problem?
[03:22] <ka24> tuxx: nothin to it.. cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI
[03:22] <tuxx> Aard cdrecord gives me this.. :cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver
[03:22] <ka24> 2.6 doesnt use scsi like that, that's what the dev=ATAPI is for
[03:23] <ka24> cdrecord dev=/dev/hdX where it says to use dev=1,0,0 or whatever
[03:23] <tuxx> ka24: Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second
[03:23] <BrianB04> Okay, now...it's ejecting the cd...and rebooting
[03:24] <ka24> tuxx: what is your cdrw drive?
[03:24] <ka24> dmesg | grep ^hd
[03:24] <tuxx> ka24 hdc: LITE-ON LTR-24102B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
[03:24] <will_> does ubuntu come with DRI built in?
[03:25] <ka24> ok, cdrecord -v dev=/dev/hdc speed=24 -data whatever.iso
[03:25] <ka24> you do need an alpha version cdrecord for this to work, not sure what ubuntu ships with.. but surely they know about 2.6
[03:26] <Federico2> hi :)
[03:26] <tuxx> Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a29
[03:26] <ka24> yep, that should work
[03:26] <tuxx> ka24 I'll try right away!
[03:26] <Aard> ka24: direct opening of ide-devices should work with stable versions, only dev=ATAPI:.. might cause problems with those older versions
[03:26] <zetamannsky> I get no sound from my audigy2  card. I have checked the mixer and everything seems OK: All controls are set, at least, in the middle. Can someone please help me configure this card.
[03:27] <ka24> i dunno why the cdrecord maintainer cant just get off his high horse and make the thing work
[03:27] <ka24> it's so much faster burning without ide-scsi
[03:28] <Aard> where's the problem? you can burn without ide-scsi without problems for over a year now
[03:29] <ka24> scanbus still doesnt work and it still gripes about having to use a generic ide device
[03:29] <tuxx> Error trying to open /dev/hdc exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second
[03:29] <ka24> hmm
[03:29] <ka24> is something mounted on /dev/hdc?
[03:29] <tuxx> ka24 the drive is but else not.
[03:29] <Aard> erm, I never had any problems with scanbus....
[03:30] <tuxx> ka24 I just tried with a CD-RW with data to erase it
[03:30] <ka24> tuxx: run mount.. maybe something automounted it
[03:30] <tuxx> Ubuntu popuped a folder
[03:30] <tuxx> ka24 will try that
[03:30] <ka24> yea, that'll be it ;)
[03:31] <tuxx> ka24 unmount it that is?
[03:31] <ka24> yep
[03:31] <tuxx> ka24 ohh yeah... no errors now!
[03:31] <ka24> no doubt the drive works with linux.. i have one of those
[03:31] <ka24> :)
[03:31] <tuxx> ka24 yeah I've had it working with Mandrake for 3 years
[03:32] <tuxx> ka24 now.. if I can ask u one or two more things.. how do I get mplayer installed with ALL codecs for avi, divx, xdiv etc. ?
[03:33] <ka24> that i dont know without compiling
[03:33] <ka24> some of those are going to be nonfree, so if packages are available you'll have to add universe to apt
[03:33] <tuxx> ka24 I tried that yesterday... need to mention my system f*beeb*d up? :-)
[03:34] <tuxx> universe is added
[03:34] <tuxx> okay. How do I start, stop, restart and so forth a service like samba or proftpd ?
[03:34] <tuxx> In Mandrake it was # 'service name restart' for instance
[03:35] <HauntedUnix> /etc/init.d/samba start, restart, stop.
[03:35] <tuxx> HauntedUnix hey :-) I'll try!
[03:35] <stvn> tuxx: /etc/init.d/<service> start|stop|restart
[03:35] <tuxx> So everything thats installed and runned as an service is managed that way?
[03:35] <ka24> i still run freebsd on my desktop.. only tried ubuntu on a spare box so far.. havent had a chance to work out all the grimy details like video playback yet ;)
[03:36] <HauntedUnix> tuxx: it should be, there are some irregularities, but you hopefully won't need ot encounter them.
[03:36] <ka24> been on freebsd/slackware for 10 years or so
[03:36] <thoreauputic> tuxx: that's the standard daemon starter, yes
[03:36] <HauntedUnix> tuxx: there are some programs that install things to the home dir, etc, and don't do a system-wide install, you have to do that manually.
[03:37] <tuxx> ka24 ahh. I have it on my desktop now.  Case was my netinstall wouldn't work so I had to install Ubuntu again. Now I won't give up. It has to work now :-)
[03:37] <tuxx> thoreauputic thanks
[03:37] <HauntedUnix> heya thoreauputic :)
[03:37] <thoreauputic> hey HauntedUnix :)
[03:37] <ka24> i just figured i'd camp out in here and see what sort of nightmares others were having before i tried it on my main box ;)
[03:37] <tuxx> HauntedUnix When will I perhaps stumble uppon that problem?
[03:38] <HauntedUnix> tuxx: Mmm, luckily, I can't think of anything of the top of my head ;)
[03:38] <tuxx> ka24 want a list? :-) lol
[03:38] <ka24> heh
[03:38] <tuxx> nah I have most figured out so far
[03:39] <tuxx> However it works in a whole different way than Mandrake which HauntedUnix will concur with :-)
[03:39] <thoreauputic> tuxx: say you put a script in ~/bin and you want it to start - you have to make your own entry in the startup scripts for it (I'm not recommanding that, just an example)
[03:39] <HauntedUnix> tuxx: :)
[03:40] <tuxx> thoreauputic okay. Most of the stuff installed will be through apt-get
[03:40] <tuxx> HauntedUnix not using Mandrake anymore?
[03:40] <thoreauputic> tuxx: yes - which will do the right thing
[03:40] <HauntedUnix> tuxx: I haven't tried ubuntu yet, downloaded the worng iso, thought I was getting the livecd ;)
[03:41] <thoreauputic> tuxx: if for instance you use hdparm to tune your hard drive, you have to put an entry in to get it to start on boot
[03:41] <tuxx> thoreauputic okay no sweat then. I just need to restart my display manager sometimes (mostly when working with X) and so far I've killed it and rebooted. /etc/init.d/gdm should do it now if I guess correct
[03:42] <tuxx> thoreauputic oh yeah I remember that.
[03:42] <tuxx> HauntedUnix the Live CD is nice! Have both :)
[03:42] <thoreauputic> tuxx: yes, /etc/init.d/gdm restart ot whatever...
[03:43] <tuxx> thoreauputic yeah.
[03:46] <kapputu> hi all
[03:46] <GotD0t> hi
[03:46] <kapputu> hey gotdot how r u
[03:46] <GotD0t> does anybody have experience with a Dell DJ and Ubuntu
[03:46] <GotD0t> fine
[03:47] <kapputu> what happened GotD0t
[03:48] <GotD0t> ?
[03:49] <kapputu> with Dell DJ and Ubuntu ?
[03:49] <tuxx> hmm.. how would I get 'll' to work as the normal user? only 'ls' works now
[03:49] <BrianB04> Wooohoo, I'm in Ubuntu....
[03:49] <tuxx> BrianB04 how ya like it so far?
[03:50] <GotD0t> I just wanted to know if anybody is able to transfer songs to the DJ through Ubuntu
[03:50] <BrianB04> I'm liking it. Simple, not overly bloated with useless software...and it works with both my wired and wireless connection. Now...to learn Gnome, figure out how to put a few things on the desktop, etc.
[03:51] <WW> Does anyone here use Sticky Notes in gnome?
[03:51] <tuxx> BrianB04 yeah. It's nice and sleek. However I'm still not able to play my Divx, Xvid and so forth
[03:52] <tuxx> However the fluxbox included is the stable version = very old.
[03:52] <WW> Sticky Notes often get moved when I logout and back in, or when I reboot.
[03:52] <tuxx> but I have the deb for latest unstable.
[03:52] <GotD0t> tuxx: someone in the channel pointed me to a good tut on how to get mplayer working with all the formats
[03:52] <tuxx> GotD0t remember who that someone was?
[03:52] <Kapputu> how do I update firefox to 1.0PR ?
[03:52] <GotD0t> tuxx: sorry
[03:52] <tuxx> or where to read 'bout it ?
[03:53] <tuxx> GotD0t no sweat
[03:53] <WW> OK, so it's not a showstopper like a nonfunctional graphics card, but it is annoying :)
[03:53] <GotD0t> kapputu: they have a firefox RC1 now
[03:53] <Kapputu> oh yeah I read yesterday
[03:53] <Kapputu> forgot that
[03:53] <stvn> Kapputu: wait for hoary or install the ff installer from the site
[03:53] <Kapputu> how do I upgrade ?
[03:54] <jpvcx> GotD0t:Do you mean this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94 ?
[03:54] <GotD0t> jpvcx: no... its a step by step tutorial... that someone put together themselves
[03:54] <GotD0t> jpvcs: worked great
[03:55] <Kapputu> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox says it's the newest version and I also get an error saying couldn't stat URL..
[03:56] <GotD0t> Kapputu: thats because you have the newest one in ubuntu... you have to go directly to the firefox site
[03:56] <Kapputu> yeah but I want to install the new one over my existing one
[03:56] <stvn> Kapputu: it's not possible from within ubuntu
[03:57] <Kapputu> the download link in mozilla.org still says 1.0PR
[03:57] <benja> im compiling a program and i get this error, autoconf: Undefined macros:...configure.in:13:AC_PROG_LIBTOOL, any ideas
[03:58] <Pizbit^> Kapputu: The RC is only for those who are sure they want to test stuff
[03:59] <monteiro> why totem doesnt support many type movie and music files ?
[03:59] <monteiro> licences ?
[03:59] <Kapputu> how do I get a flashplayer plugin ?
[03:59] <GotD0t> monteiro: you have to install the codecs for the files
[04:00] <stvn> monteiro: yes
[04:00] <stvn> monteiro: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:00] <tuxx> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94&highlight=mplayer
[04:00] <tuxx> That's for mplayer. I'm trying it at the moment so cross fingers!
[04:00] <jpvcx> Kapputu:it should be in universe or multiverse
[04:02] <visor> tuxx: might i ask why dont you use xine/totem?
[04:02] <Kapputu> hmm can't find the flashplayer plugin for mozilla
[04:02] <Phr0stByte> visor: MPlayer is better
[04:03] <Kapputu> any suggestions >
[04:03] <Kapputu> yep mplayer is better
[04:03] <tuxx> visor sure. First I can't get it to work with my stuff and second I'm madly in love with mplayer :-)
[04:03] <tuxx> Kapputu yeah I have flash working. Need the file? if so hang on
[04:03] <cardador> Kapputu: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:04] <tuxx> cardador will it install it automatically for firefox?
[04:04] <jpvcx> tuxx:yes
[04:04] <cardador> yes
[04:04] <Scognito> hi
[04:05] <kent> Is there a way to add planet ubuntu (http://planet.ubuntulinux.org/) to blam? I found no rss-file on that page, except for the individuals tracked on the page, not the entire page.
[04:05] <tuxx> okay I'll try it instead of the manual installation I'm used to do
[04:05] <Kapputu> yep got it instaled
[04:05] <Kapputu> is there a automatic mplayer installation ?
[04:05] <visor> uhmmm i see
[04:05] <Kapputu> I thought the only way was compiling source
[04:05] <visor> xine works for me in ubuntu
[04:06] <visor> all, wmv, mov, mpeg, avi and so on
[04:06] <Kapputu> anyone have marillinat ftp link handy ?
[04:06] <Kapputu> I need to download w32codecs
[04:06] <amathis> hi guys.
[04:06] <Kapputu> hi amathis
[04:06] <Kapputu> what's up
[04:06] <Phr0stByte> Any python programmers here?
[04:06] <amathis> do you have to edit the Xf86Config to change resolution, or is there a gui that will do it.
[04:06] <cardador> Kapputu: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[04:06] <Kapputu> eeks ! I hate snakes !!
[04:07] <visor> Kapputu: w32codecs are available in xine site
[04:07] <Phr0stByte> lol
[04:07] <amathis> Kapputu, trying to figure out things :)
[04:07] <Kapputu> thanx cardador, visor
[04:07] <JohanH> kent, http://planet.ubuntulinux.org/rss20.xml
[04:07] <cardador> amathis: computer > sys configuration > screen resolution
[04:07] <kent> amathis,  computer->system config -> change resulution.
[04:07] <cardador> lol
[04:07] <Kapputu> I started learning using dive into python
[04:07] <visor> well folks, im going to bed, this was a long night, i need to sleep, see you
[04:07] <Kapputu> din't have much time
[04:08] <Kapputu> bye visor
[04:08] <Kapputu> sleep tight
[04:08] <amathis> heh, darn.. 1600 x 1200 not working yet.
[04:08] <Phr0stByte> Kapputu: Doing a game using Pygame
[04:08] <visor> and btw, best e-book ever form python is "How to think like a computer scientist: learning python"
[04:08] <kent> JohanH, thanks.
[04:08] <amathis> wow..
[04:08] <amathis> apt-get could not find bluefish??
[04:08] <amathis> how can I see where apt-get get's it's sources?
[04:08] <amathis> maybe it is only looking on cd..
[04:08] <visor> believe me, its even better than o'reilly's one, (wich i have too)
[04:09] <visor> well, see ya all bye
[04:09] <Phr0stByte> heh
[04:09] <kent> amathis, /etc/apt/sources.list i belive (Or check with synaptic)
[04:09] <Kapputu> yeah I think I have seen that as a link in dive into python
[04:09] <Kapputu> need help Phr0stByte ?
[04:09] <erickmorillo> greeeets
[04:09] <Phr0stByte> Kapputu: Looking for a partner
[04:09] <amathis> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[04:09] <amathis> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[04:10] <erickmorillo> anyone knows how to remove openoffice and postfix?
[04:10] <amathis> should I un-comment those?
[04:10] <Kapputu> I need to learn python but
[04:10] <Phr0stByte> Kapputu: Getting tired of doing it all myself
[04:10] <tuxx> Shoe! it worked (flash)
[04:10] <tuxx> nice
[04:10] <Kapputu> I'm a quick learner though
[04:10] <Kapputu> how do I install shockwave plugin ?
[04:10] <Kapputu> or do I need that at all ?
[04:11] <tuxx> Kapputu my xp is that you don't need it
[04:11] <Kapputu> k
[04:11] <Phr0stByte> you dont
[04:11] <tuxx> xp = experience and not the win-somehing
[04:11] <Kapputu> oh yeah I understand tuxx
[04:11] <lamont> erickmorillo: fire up synaptic and remove the packages?
[04:11] <lamont> erickmorillo: it'll remove ubuntu-desktop, of course...
[04:11] <Kapputu> windows is a f**ked up piece of junk
[04:11] <lamont> (which is just a package full of dependencies)
[04:12] <tuxx> Kapputu yeah however it's versatile. Maybe that's why me not like it :-)
[04:12] <cardador> amathis: yes
[04:12] <Kapputu> I don't have any control over it
[04:12] <amathis> cardador, danke.
[04:12] <cardador> amathis: add multiverse after universe
[04:12] <monteiro> GotD0t , stvn  : yes, thanx
[04:12] <cardador> amathis: it will give a buch of non free apps
[04:13] <Kapputu> what do u mean by non free ?
[04:13] <tuxx> Kapputu not anything similair. Even a single console is missing
[04:13] <Kapputu> yep
[04:13] <monteiro> how much time will i wait to receive the cds ?
[04:13] <cardador> Kapputu: flash, unrar, etc
[04:13] <Kapputu> I can't work with mouse
[04:13] <Kapputu> I move around using the keyboard
[04:13] <tuxx> Kapputu yeah me too.   So it Depends: postfix, among others.
[04:16] <lamont> (IOW, no.)
[04:16] <Keybuk> erickmorillo: ubuntu-desktop is just a meta-package; removing it just means when you upgrade to hoary you won't automatically get any new desktop packages
[04:16] <Kapputu> don't understand cippalippa
[04:16] <Kapputu> when is hoary coming out ?
[04:16] <vrln> in ~6 months
[04:16] <cardador> amathis: lol
[04:16] <cippalippa> I noticed the line about the kind of desktop thing
[04:16] <gruberman> when his parents are ready
[04:16] <cippalippa> I am actually in a "very idiot" situation
[04:16] <cippalippa> maybe some of you can hekllp out
[04:16] <cardador> amathis: i think its non free because its source is not open
[04:16] <lamont> Kapputu: april and october are the release months.
[04:17] <cippalippa> is it possible ask in the channel?
[04:17] <lamont> cippalippa: fire away
[04:17] <cippalippa> fisrt install latest ubuntu
[04:17] <cippalippa> all fine
[04:17] <cippalippa> speedy
[04:18] <cippalippa> but I think I overlook something while setting up the pass
[04:18] <cippalippa> for root
[04:18] <lamont> there is no root password assigned during install.
[04:18] <lamont> it's *'ed out
[04:18] <amathis> isn't that a security breach to just use sudo?
[04:18] <amathis> because any app can obtain root priveliges?
[04:18] <Kapputu> so what happens now cippalippa
[04:18] <lamont> amathis: not particularly
[04:18] <cippalippa> sorry, busy
[04:18] <vrln> using only sudo is more secure afaik
[04:18] <cippalippa> so... I have the username and the user
[04:19] <Matt|> which version of X11 is hoary going to use?
[04:19] <cippalippa> so when I try to do something requiring root priviledges
[04:19] <lamont> cippalippa: and the initial user is in sudoers
[04:19] <cippalippa> I do not know what to type in
[04:19] <vrln> you do sudo commandyouwant
[04:19] <lamont> and you should be prompted for _your_ (initial user) password
[04:19] <vrln> and type your user password
[04:19] <cippalippa> I only remeber to have set 1 pass
[04:19] <vrln> and voila, it works :)
[04:19] <cippalippa> for the normal user
[04:20] <vrln> yep, and that's the one you need to use sudo
[04:20] <Kapputu> yep that's the password u need to use
[04:20] <cippalippa> at the beginning I was only asked the userbname
[04:20] <tuxx> YES! mplayer is working!!
[04:20] <sertmann> what is exacly is the file called containing the environment variables for a user? can't bloody find it....
[04:20] <Kapputu> tuxx, you compiled source ?
[04:20] <GotD0t> tuxx: how'd you get it up?
[04:20] <cippalippa> I tried to add some sorry, 1 min...
[04:21] <lamont> sertmann: env will print your current environment
[04:21] <lamont> well, at least the exported variables
[04:21] <Matt|> what is the website where I can see the list of changes and such which will appear in hoary?
[04:21] <tuxx> Kapputu yes. Follow the link given earlier
[04:21] <Kapputu> can you post it again, if you still have the window open ?
[04:21] <sertmann> lamont: yeah, but i need to edit it...
[04:22] <jpvcx> tuxx:welcome to the club ;)
[04:22] <tuxx> lol
[04:22] <tuxx> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94&highlight=mplayer
[04:22] <lamont> .profile gets run when a shell starts...
[04:22] <cippalippa> ok, gonna try to modify fstab
[04:22] <Kapputu> hi ogra
[04:22] <Kapputu> good morning
[04:22] <ogra> hi...... capitalized today ?
[04:22] <Echylo> ok have a couple of questions
[04:23] <Kapputu> hmm this is a different machine
[04:23] <cristian> Matt|: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryHedgehog
[04:23] <Kapputu> I have three ubuntus now ogra
[04:23] <Echylo> first, my ubuntu is booting a long time,( almost sticking on starting hotplug system
[04:23] <Matt|> cristian, thanks
[04:23] <sertmann> "Environment variables of LC_ALL (or LANG) and XMODIFIERS must be set as following..." <--- ok i need to do this, what file do i edit?
[04:23] <amathis> hmm, how can I get the login screen that is shown on the website?
[04:23] <amathis> with the people...
[04:23] <Echylo> amathis,
[04:24] <Rexioo> where are source codes default kernel in ubuntu?
[04:24] <Echylo> computer, system > settings for users?
[04:24] <BrianB04> Okay this is weird.
[04:25] <cristian> Rexioo: linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>
[04:25] <BrianB04> Very weird...
[04:25] <Matt|> so does anyone know what version of X11 is going to be used in Hoary?
[04:25] <sertmann> x.org
[04:25] <Kapputu> what's the difference ?
[04:26] <Echylo> hey somebody can help me?
[04:26] <Matt|> sertmann, but what version?
[04:26] <ogra> Kapputu: http://freedesktop.org/~keithp/screenshots/
[04:26] <Rexioo> Cristian: /usr/src there isn't
[04:26] <BrianB04> Okay, how can I go about getting the secondary card, the wired card, to come up as default networking card?
[04:27] <Matt|> the version in warty seems to be 6.6, but this is rather old now and I am hoping for some newer support
[04:27] <cristian> Rexioo: you have to apt-get install it
[04:27] <Kapputu> oh what's up with those transparent shells ?
[04:27] <Kapputu> i should say terminals
[04:28] <ogra> mjg59: youre the laptop god ?
[04:28] <Kapputu> are they available ?
[04:28] <jpvcx> Kapputo: cool aint it ?
[04:28] <Echylo> ok, can somebody listen to my boot problem???
[04:28] <sertmann> Matt|: wathy uses xfree
[04:28] <Kapputu> yep
[04:28] <sertmann> warthy even
[04:28] <Matt|> sertmann, yes i am aware of that. It is using version 6.6. of X11
[04:28] <sertmann> ah
[04:28] <Kapputu> why don't people change ot linux
[04:28] <sertmann> then ill shut up
[04:28] <Matt|> the current Xorg release uses version 6.8.1
[04:28] <Kapputu> how can I convince everyone to convert to linux
[04:28] <Echylo> install it , and show them
[04:28] <Matt|> Kapputu, tell them "no viruses, no spyware"
[04:28] <Aard> Kapputu: don't.
[04:29] <sertmann> Kapputu: please don't
[04:29] <Echylo> ?
[04:29] <ogra> Kapputu: show them how great it is
[04:29] <Kapputu> but it's so good
[04:29] <Kapputu> I want others to enjoy what I'm enjoying
[04:29] <Rexioo> cristian: i would recompile kernel and i would add module APM
[04:29] <cristian> Kapputu: pay them
[04:29] <Echylo> :D
[04:29] <Kapputu> I already convinced my roommate to install Ubuntu and he has been using it for a like a week now
[04:29] <cristian> Rexioo: apm module it's already in standard kernel
[04:30] <ogra> Kapputu: make a lot of money and do tv adverts ?
[04:30] <gruberman> Kapputu, if you can get some of the big audio companies to release their sequencers on linux, there will be alot of people migrating to linux ;)
[04:30] <Kapputu> he had so much spyware, adware
[04:30] <cristian> Rexioo: modprobe apm
[04:30] <BrianB04> Cause, eth0 is showing the right card...just for some reason not catching dhcpd
[04:30] <cristian> Rexioo: and add 'apm' in /etc/modules
[04:30] <Kapputu> I can understand if my mom doesn't want to convert to linux
[04:30] <Kapputu> but what about computer science majors in grad school
[04:30] <ogra> Kapputu: i dont ;)
[04:30] <Echylo> why does ubuntu waits almost a minute at "starting hotplug subsystem"
[04:31] <Echylo> I putted modules on the blacklist
[04:31] <Echylo> cause it caused troubles
[04:31] <Echylo> but it still takes 2min> to boot
[04:31] <ogra> Echylo: troubles ?
[04:31] <Echylo> of course :)
[04:31] <Kapputu> a quick question if I dont wan't the ethernet interface to be brought up during boot what do I change in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[04:31] <Rexioo> thanks
[04:32] <ogra> Echylo: you mean pciehp shp...
[04:32] <cristian> Kapputu: rip out the name of your interface from "auto" directive
[04:33] <Echylo> yes
[04:33] <ogra> Echylo: lol
[04:33] <Echylo> how do you know?
[04:33] <Echylo> :p
[04:33] <ogra> Echylo: they are harmless
[04:33] <Echylo> yea I put them on the blacklist, cause of an error : modprobe.....
[04:33] <Kapputu> and what do I do if I want my wireless interface to be brought up on boot
[04:33] <ogra> Echylo: its a known cosmetic issue.....you dont speed up anything by blacklisting them
[04:34] <Kapputu> there is a script I have to run
[04:34] <BrianB04> Hmmm, seems because I didn't install with the wired network card, it's not even starting it...weird.
[04:34] <Kapputu> it's a TI ACX 111 card and I have to run start_net each time
[04:35] <Echylo> ow
[04:35] <Echylo> so I have to wait 2.15 minutes
[04:35] <Echylo> until my pc is booted? :p
[04:35] <ogra> Echylo: and blacklisting speeds this up ?
[04:35] <Echylo> nope
[04:36] <cristian> Kapputu: you can use "up, pre-up" options in iface directive of /etc/network/interfaces
[04:36] <cristian> Kapputu: it's all explained in "man 5 interfaces"
[04:36] <Kapputu> ok
[04:36] <ogra> Echylo: hotplug manages a big bunch of devices, its probing them all on startup
[04:36] <thoreauputic> Echylo: so just leave your linux running: it will go for months or even years
[04:36] <rexioo> cristian: FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device
[04:36] <robertj> Is there a way to install only a particulr package and it's dependencies from hoary?
[04:36] <Matt|> Kapputu, I also use that method to start my card
[04:36] <cippalippa> yeah, now I got the system, so the rest is simple ignorance. Thanx for the ear (before shoulders were needed)
[04:37] <Matt|> Kapputu, cristian, when I use the network/interfaces method it only stays up for about 5 minutes
[04:37] <Echylo> :D
[04:37] <Echylo> talk to my mom
[04:37] <Echylo> then it will stay up
[04:38] <Echylo> now, it has to be shutdown for saving some energy
[04:38] <Echylo> :@:|
[04:38] <thoreauputic> Echylo: 2 minutes is not long to wait for something - I bet you could use that time to study Shakespeare or aomething useful ;)
[04:38] <ogra> Echylo: Hoary will speed this up....until April you'll have to bear it :(
[04:39] <Echylo> april???:p
[04:39] <Matt|> ogra, I have to wait until april for a newer version of X?
[04:39] <Matt|> nooooooooooooooooooooo
[04:39] <Phr0stByte> Echylo: tell your mom that the system really does not suck much juice - its the monitor that needs to be shut off
[04:39] <Kapputu> that's too long but /me will wait
[04:39] <Kapputu> oops
[04:39] <amathis> heh, it is bad when you are talking to someone and you say 'me is tired'
[04:39] <Echylo> Phr0stByte, nice try, I already used that argument
[04:39] <ogra> come on... 5 months till Hoary stable isnt too long
[04:39] <Echylo> ok ok
[04:40] <thoreauputic> Echylo: tell your mom that every time you boot it brings the national electric grid to its knees
[04:40] <Matt|> ogra, it wouldn't be if the warty packages weren't frozen ;)
[04:40] <ogra> LOL
[04:40] <Kapputu> lol thoreauputic
[04:40] <ogra> Matt|: not frozen, stable....
[04:40] <BrianB04> Hey, is that what caused the massive blackout, Echylo's computer starting up?:)
[04:40] <Matt|> ogra, so I can get a newer version of X11?
[04:41] <thoreauputic> BrianB04: hush, they might hear you !
[04:41] <ogra> Matt|: nope... only in Hoary, but security updates for 18 months
[04:41] <Matt|> ogra, i need to Hoary asap methinks
[04:41] <Matt|> ogra, how to get a testing version?
[04:41] <BrianB04> How nifty, I figured it out...yay...now I can make things work:)
[04:41] <Kapputu> can I get those transparent terminals anywhere ?
[04:42] <ogra> Matt|: do that only if you got a spare machine to run it on
[04:42] <Kapputu> anyone in U.S experienced a blackout last night ?
[04:42] <Matt|> how come?
[04:42] <amathis> wtf... 'sudo init 3' doens't do shat for me.
[04:42] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: yeah, I'll give you the commands to make aterm transparent for $100
[04:42] <Echylo> sorry BrianB04 :P
[04:42] <Echylo> wasn't on purpose :p
[04:42] <Phr0stByte> =(
[04:42] <amathis> it isn't that hard to make aterm transparent :D
[04:42] <ogra> Matt|: Hoary is supposed to break in the dev process....its a devlopment version....
[04:43] <Matt|> ogra, np
[04:43] <Kapputu> ok thoreauputic, but you need to give me $200 first for seeking advice from you :-P
[04:43] <BrianB04> Sure it wasn't, you had it all planned out for months before hand, just to make my life miserable...side effect that you took out half the country as well
[04:43] <ogra> Matt|: till april ;)
[04:43] <thoreauputic> amathis: hey, are you trying to stop my income stream?
[04:43] <Matt|> ogra, is there any chance of getting hoary packages to install on warty? I used to use fedora testing packages all the time
[04:43] <amathis> thoreauputic, tis' captialism.
[04:43] <amathis> :P
[04:43] <Matt|> ogra, i am happy to install a testing OS
[04:44] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: my aterm alias: alias aterm='aterm +sb -tr -sh 80 -rv'
[04:44] <ogra> Matt|: go on, but dont mix the dists.... if you switch to hoary do it completely and dont cry if nothing works anymore
[04:44] <BrianB04> But yea, that hotplug error is kinda annoying...
[04:44] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: special price for you today :)
[04:44] <Matt|> ogra, hmm no i won't cry: but the dists can't be mixed? How come?
[04:44] <titoo> Hello everybody, I am new I will stay quiet a while :)
[04:45] <Matt|> ogra, didn't you start from warty when making hoary?
[04:45] <BrianB04> Get an error about hw-random
[04:45] <ogra> Matt|: they can, but youre on your own, nobody will support taht
[04:45] <Matt|> ogra, sure
[04:45] <Matt|> ogra, mebbe i can get dri working on warty without updating to a newer version of X11?
[04:45] <ogra> not even the bot ;)
[04:46] <amathis> hmm..
[04:46] <amathis> ogra, sudo init 3 didn't put me in init 3..
[04:46] <Kapputu> doesn't work with gnome-terminal
[04:46] <ogra> Matt|: depends....
[04:46] <amathis> I need to install my nvidia drivers.
[04:46] <cippalippa> quit
[04:46] <amathis> /quit
[04:46] <ogra> amathis: for sure...but 3 isnt different from 2 (default)
[04:46] <amathis> :)
[04:46] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: apt-get install aterm
[04:46] <Matt|> ogra, what does it depend on? ;)
[04:46] <ogra> Matt|: what card ?
[04:46] <amathis> ogra, ?? I need to just be on command line..
[04:47] <amathis> ogra, no X server
[04:47] <ogra> amathis: ctrl-alt-f1
[04:47] <amathis> ogra, ah, danke.
[04:47] <ogra> amathis: f7 brings you back
[04:47] <Matt|> ogra, it is an onboard ATI (radeon) IGP340M
[04:48] <Matt|> lol
[04:48] <amathis> ogra, no, I am installing nvidia drivers.. there CANNOT be any X server running, and it has to only be CLI
[04:48] <Kapputu> hmm don't get what I saw in the screenshots
[04:48] <Kapputu> it's not transparent
[04:48] <ogra> amathis: they can run.... just reboot after install ;)
[04:48] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: what are you trying to "get"?
[04:49] <Kapputu> a transparent terminal
[04:49] <amathis> ogra, I don't think the installer will like it, but will try after apt-get is done.
[04:49] <Matt|> Kapputu, you could try Eterm
[04:49] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: for transparent, use the -tr switch to the aterm command
[04:49] <amathis> eterm > aterm
[04:49] <ogra> amathis: follow this http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:49] <thoreauputic> amathis: rubbish. aterm is lighter on resources and just as configurable
[04:50] <Kapputu> nope
[04:50] <ogra> Matt|: you could try fglrx, same url....
[04:50] <Matt|> k will look
[04:50] <Matt|> thanks
[04:50] <amathis> ogra, wait.. apt-get has the nvidia drivers in them?
[04:50] <ogra> Matt|: but no guarantee.... except its radeon compatible....
[04:50] <amathis> ogra, are they as good as the ones I just downloaded off of the nvidia website?
[04:50] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: you are doing something wrong then; if you type aterm -tr you will get a transparent aterm
[04:50] <ogra> amathis: yes
[04:51] <ogra> amathis: and yes
[04:51] <Kapputu> I want something like this... http://freedesktop.org/~keithp/screenshots/translucentapps.png
[04:51] <amathis> ogra, that kicks arse
[04:51] <Matt|> ogra, am not hopeful ;)
[04:51] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: looking
[04:51] <ogra> Kapputu: be paitient 5 months...youll get it ;)
[04:51] <Matt|> ogra, have always just recompiled the dri modules in the past
[04:52] <ogra> Matt|: its all in synaptic ;)
[04:52] <Kapputu> aterm,eterm > gnome-terminal ?
[04:52] <ogra> Kapputu: nope, REAL transparency....
[04:52] <Kapputu> u mean I can't get those translucent terminals now ???????????
[04:53] <Matt|> i can't find aterm
[04:53] <nomasteryoda> sure you can
[04:53] <amathis> brb :D rebooting.
[04:53] <cippalippa> hallo, back for this delemma: I know how to sudo, but if I wanted to mount a windows partition (which I added to fstab before re-running it) I ma told that only root can do it and if I try to root the use pass doesn't work
[04:53] <Kapputu> grr
[04:53] <amathis> ogra, cross fingers
[04:53] <ogra> Kapputu: just a fake one.... right klick your gnome-term
[04:53] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: it's a matter of taste, I guess - we could have a terminal war, but although that would be fun, it isn't really productive..:)
[04:53] <ogra> amathis: i do !
[04:53] <Matt|> nomasteryoda, whereabouts is it?
[04:53] <cippalippa> so I lost something
[04:53] <Matt|> nomasteryoda, oh there it is
[04:53] <ogra> Kapputu: edit the profile..... look for effects
[04:53] <BrianB04> Now that I have those issues sorted out, time to make Gnome look all funky, and translucenty...and just cool
[04:54] <tuxx> How would I install java? I don't seem to find it through apt-get
[04:54] <nictuku> hmm I had problems installing ubuntu
[04:54] <Kapputu> yeah I tried changing that to transparent background
[04:54] <Kapputu> but I don't get what I see in that picture
[04:54] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: aha - that screen shot is xorg with "true" transparency - for that we have to wait, sorry
[04:54] <nictuku> DMA was set enabled in my old CD-ROM drive. It couldn't find the "Ubuntu install media"
[04:54] <ogra> Kapputu: you cant.... currently its only faked for terminals od xchat
[04:54] <ogra> or
[04:55] <Kapputu> this transparency I have used before
[04:55] <nictuku> Is that a known bug in the installation?
[04:55] <cardador> cippalippa: add smt like this to /etc/fstab -> /dev/hda1 /home/jose/windows1 ntfs auto,users,exec,ro,umask=000 0 0
[04:55] <Kapputu> that's y  I was wondering what I was missing
[04:55] <ogra> Kapputu: what distro ?
[04:55] <nictuku> hdparm -d0 /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 was fine
[04:55] <cippalippa> no hints for sorting out where is the root pass?
[04:55] <BrianB04> Now, here's an odd question: When the new release comes out, how do you upgrade from Warty?
[04:55] <Kapputu> ubuntu ?
[04:55] <jpvcx> Cippalippa:http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/ntfs.html#4.9
[04:55] <Qerub> Are i18n patches still accepted for Warty?
[04:55] <Kapputu> u mean the one I used b4 ?
[04:55] <ogra> Kapputu: no way
[04:55] <cippalippa> no, it's fat32, individuated as vfat
[04:55] <nictuku> apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[04:56] <ogra> BrianB04: there will be instructions