[00:04] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1220967] The new Network Manager applet does not connect but System Settings > Network does @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1220967 (by Marco Parillo)
[05:42] <smartboyhw> ^ And nobody posted any announcements on the web!?
[05:46]  * smartboyhw goes posting
[05:51] <smartboyhw> Announcement for Beta 1 posted
[06:08] <soee> good morning
[06:48] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:48] <smartboyhw> Hello lordievader
[06:48] <smartboyhw> People: So 4.11.1 is still not out?
[06:49] <smartboyhw> I mean, for Saucy
[06:49] <lordievader> Hey smartboyhw, how are you?
[06:49] <smartboyhw> lordievader, good
[06:49] <lordievader> smartboyhw: Can I test 4.11.1 somewhere?
[06:50] <smartboyhw> lordievader, private message?
[06:50] <smartboyhw> (And I'm not sure where it is now)
[06:50] <lordievader> smartboyhw: Ninja ppa?
[06:50] <smartboyhw> lordievader, yes, if you have access:)
[06:50] <lordievader> Still got that one laying around, should enable it again.
[06:57] <lordievader> Lovely 285 updates.
[06:57] <lordievader> Hehe allways nice "After this operation, 601 kB disk space will be freed." :D
[07:01] <soee> smartboyhw, 4.11.1 tested by me for Raring yesterday
[07:01] <soee> smooth update
[07:08] <lordievader> Rebooting now...
[07:12] <lordievader> Kde 4.11.1 boots up normally on Saucy :D
[07:19] <jussi> who wants to package something? :D
[07:20] <smartboyhw> jussi, me
[07:20] <smartboyhw> What is the packaging?
[07:21] <jussi> smartboyhw: It is already in their ppa, but not in our repos afaik (you get to check for certain, ive only raring here). https://code.google.com/p/vacuum-im/
[07:25] <smartboyhw> jussi, moo, OpenSSL
[07:25] <smartboyhw> (That requires an exemption)
[07:26] <jussi> smartboyhw: still....... the client works much better than KTP at the moment...
[07:27] <smartboyhw> jussi, then work to improve KTp;P
[07:28] <jussi> smartboyhw: I have done everythign I can (go check out my bug list for them).
[07:28] <jussi> smartboyhw: the fact that they exist shouldnt change that vacuum should be in the repos
[07:31] <Tm_T> oh, how many times I accidentally pronounce KTp as "Kopete" ...
[07:31] <smartboyhw> jussi, it is currently first-time test building
[07:31] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, -.-
[07:32] <Tm_T> that said, maybe I should run Kopete now (:)
[07:33] <jussi> smartboyhw: excellent :)
[09:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: about about system... I think it was everything ... i.e. in kickoff's computer tab, in systemsettings and in kinfocenter
[11:07] <smartboyhw> Riddell, jussi's Vacuum app has a problem: the build will change a header-.-
[11:18] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what's vacuum?
[11:18] <smartboyhw> Riddell, some type of instant messaging app
[11:18] <smartboyhw> jussi is using it to replace KTp
[11:18] <jussi> Riddell: https://code.google.com/p/vacuum-im/
[11:19] <jussi> Riddell: the simple fact is, it works. (and uses telepathy I think)
[11:19] <Riddell> ktp doesn't work?
[11:19] <jussi> Riddell: unfortunately it has several issues which are dealbreakers for me.
[11:21]  * smartboyhw calls for shadeslayer to fix it to make jussi happy
[11:22] <Riddell> jussi: so what's this about changing a header?
[11:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, this happened
[11:22] <smartboyhw> dpkg-source: info: local changes detected, the modified files are:
[11:22] <smartboyhw>  vacuum-1.2.2/src/loader/svninfo.h
[11:22] <smartboyhw> (At the second debuild run)
[11:27] <jussi> Riddell: no Idea, I didnt write it, smartboyhw is telling the story
[11:32] <Riddell> needs investigation of build system to check it's sane, if it's not then moan to upstream, if it is then work out how to unapply on clean target
[11:37] <Riddell> anyone use imap with kmail?
[11:39] <jussi> Riddell: i do (but disconnected imap iirc)
[11:39] <Riddell> jussi: any problems?
[11:40] <Riddell> smartboyhw: thanks for the beta 1 story
[11:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, no need to thank me:)
[11:41] <jussi> Riddell: incredible slowness on loading mails up, (ie. when you click a mail, it takes 1-2 seconds to display), sometimes it gets stuck somewhere and needs a restart  to actually download mail again. (and a few more that I dont remember right at this second)
[11:46] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:47] <jussi> Riddell: I did also have a crash a while back, no comments on the bug, unsure if it is still there - kde bug 317860
[11:48] <jussi> Riddell: whya re you asking?
[11:51] <Riddell> jussi: Tariq_ says he can't get it working
[11:51] <Riddell> at all
[11:51] <Riddell> in raring
[11:51] <Riddell> vinay_: you neither?
[11:52] <jussi> Riddell: Im on a pretty standard raring install for work, working reasonably fine. what issues are they having?
[11:52] <ejat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6070078/
[11:52] <ejat> can someone help me on error
[11:52] <Riddell> ejat: wibble, what release and what PPAs?
[11:53] <ejat> saucy  , kubuntu-ppa
[11:54] <Riddell> ejat: which kubuntu-ppa?
[11:54] <Blizzz> Riddell: i did, but had the issues as jussi described. sometimes folder contents where not displayed at all or even partially. More problems with calendar and contacts. Got frustrated and switched to evolution…
[11:55] <ejat> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[11:55] <jussi> Riddell: Ive been through a bunch of things to sort things out, please feel free to send those guys to me to see if we can sort it out together
[12:07] <ejat> Riddell, any idea
[12:07] <ejat> y ?
[12:07] <Riddell> ejat: you shouldn't be using kubuntu-ppa with saucy since saucy is up to date
[12:07] <Riddell> remove that and try again
[12:09] <Riddell> jussi: does it work for you?
[12:10] <ejat> ok .. removing ..
[12:14] <ejat> doesnt work
[12:15] <ejat> its still the same
[12:15] <Riddell> ejat: something conflicting must be installed, apt-get install kde-window-manager  ?
[12:15] <Riddell> probably an obscure theme
[12:23] <Riddell> Tariq_: you say it worked with non-ssl?
[12:23] <ejat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6070169/
[12:23] <Riddell> Tariq_: I tried with non ssl and it says user/pass refused
[12:23] <Riddell> ejat: wherever is this from? 4:4.11.0+git20130819+bzr48502+pkg815~saucy1
[12:23] <Riddell> some daily build of something?
[12:24] <ejat> from kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[12:24] <ejat> how do i downgrade
[12:24] <Riddell> mm
[12:25] <ejat> remove all ? and reinstall ?
[12:26] <jussi> !ppapurge | ejat
[12:26] <jussi> ejat: you need to have the  ppa enabled to do that though
[12:28] <ejat> jussi, just now ive tried .... i try another time ..
[12:30] <Riddell> jussi, Tariq_: thunderbird also can't connect with those account details
[12:31] <jussi> Riddell: not overly suprising. what about if you use starttls/143 as detected?
[12:32]  * ejat downgrading ....
[12:32] <ejat> tx
[12:34] <Riddell> jussi: I got thunderbird to detect imap port 143 starttls normal pass, smtp 25 no-ssl encrypted pass.  but then it said uncorrect user/pass
[12:39] <jussi> Riddell: its very strange, because in kmail, it says the account is fine, but doesnt actually act on it
[12:50] <jussi> right, Im off. talk to you all later.
[13:18] <Riddell> kubotu: newpackage plasma-mobile 4.0
[13:18] <kubotu> Package plasma-mobile already exists!
[13:18] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion plasma-mobile 4.0
[13:18] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1221723
[13:18] <Riddell> plasma active 4 for the packaging!
[13:18] <Riddell> Quintasan: interested?
[13:19]  * smartboyhw thinks PA4 is too complicated for him:P
[13:20] <smartboyhw> More importantly: No ARM machine
[13:21] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I can help package a few, but it will not be the best results
[13:21] <smartboyhw> Where should I put these into, BTW?
[13:21] <smartboyhw> (Ah, just remembered, I got my own PPA for ARM builds)
[13:22] <Riddell> I think that's a plasma-activa PPA too
[13:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, activa-.-
[13:23] <smartboyhw> Well, I'd better check mallit-framework first
[13:23] <smartboyhw> OK, the patch is built against 0.93.1
[13:24] <smartboyhw> We are running 0.99.0+git here-.-
[13:25] <Riddell> review http://dot.kde.org/2013/09/05/plasma-active-4-ready-when-you-are first
[13:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, can you patch mallit-framework using http://download.kde.org/stable/active/4.0/src/maliit-framework-focusworkaround.diff please
[13:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, why the review?
[13:26] <Riddell> and http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active/Development
[13:26] <smartboyhw> And why the hell is the plasma-mobile ver 3.0 in Ubuntu while the PA4 version is 0.5 ~!?!?!?!?!?!?
[13:26] <Riddell> smartboyhw: incase there's anything we should know in there
[13:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell, sigh, I need to do a 4.0~really0.5 thing again:(
[13:27] <Riddell> smartboyhw: use an epoch
[13:27] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ah, that's a concept I haven't grasped yet. What's a epoch?
[13:27] <Riddell> only use ~really is there's a reason to avoid an epoch like wanting to sync from debian later
[13:27] <Riddell> smartboyhw: just a number at the start of the package version number to reset for mess ups
[13:27] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ^
[13:28] <Riddell> 1:0.4-0ubuntu1
[13:28] <Riddell> the first 1 there is the epoch
[13:28] <Riddell> default is 0
[13:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ah, that's the epoch
[13:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, patch maliit-framework plz:P
[13:29] <Riddell> smartboyhw: sorry for a full todo list just now
[13:29] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you  mean, a TODO list for me or you?
[13:29] <Riddell> smartboyhw: for me
[13:29] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OUCH
[13:32] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yofel: Got time to do a simple upload with the patch?
[13:32] <shadeslayer> hm?
[13:32] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, patch http://download.kde.org/stable/active/4.0/src/maliit-framework-focusworkaround.diff alongside maliit-framework for PA4
[13:32] <smartboyhw> :P
[13:33] <smartboyhw> !find solid/control/networkmanager.h saucy
[13:33] <shadeslayer> I'm not applying patches from PA, I've had bad experience with them
[13:33] <shadeslayer> they tend to break things
[13:34] <smartboyhw> oh oh
[13:34] <smartboyhw> Riddell, how are we going to deal with the patch then?
[13:35] <yofel> smartboyhw: no
[13:35] <shadeslayer> please consult with upstream if we should apply to Kubuntu packages
[13:35] <shadeslayer> then if it makes sense, please consult maliit upstream
[13:37] <Riddell> maliit is mostly used by active? so it wouldn't break many users in a worst case scenario where it breaks things
[13:37] <Riddell> anyone remember who the guy on the right in this photo is? http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8349/8169377493_127c320792_n.jpg
[13:37] <smartboyhw> So, what's the verdict? Ask upstream + mallit, Ask mallit or apply or don't apply!?
[13:37] <Riddell> he's a maliit guy
[13:38] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yes ask mallit and apply if sane
[13:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: IIRC Ubuntu is also looking at maliit for their phone stuff
[13:42] <smartboyhw> Hmm, I'm not understanding of how active is supposed to be built
[13:42] <smartboyhw> (Not even with the docs)
[13:47] <smartboyhw> Someone know where a solid/control/networkmanager.h will be?
[13:52] <Riddell> smartboyhw: in kde-workspace
[13:53] <Riddell> hmm but maybe it's gone in 4.11
[13:53] <smartboyhw> Riddell, can't find it
[13:53] <smartboyhw> Ew
[13:53] <smartboyhw> I need it to build plasma-active
[13:53] <Riddell> would be in kde-workspace-dev if it's there
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I installed kde-workspace-dev
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Build fail
[13:54] <Riddell> yeah looks like it's gone in 4.11
[13:55] <Riddell> ask in #active
[13:56] <smartboyhw> Riddell, well, maliit thinks the patch is useless:P
[13:56] <smartboyhw> !find solid/control/networkmanager.h raring
[13:57] <smartboyhw> OK, so it disappeared in Sauc
[13:57] <smartboyhw> *Saucy
[13:57] <smartboyhw> Heh, even notmart says no:P
[13:57] <smartboyhw> Let's ignroe that patch
[13:58] <smartboyhw> The question: Why is solid/control/networkmanager.h gone in 4.11?
[13:58] <smartboyhw> (We will have to build it on Raring then:P)
[13:59] <smartboyhw> Going to reboot, see you all.
[14:16] <BluesKaj> once more kmail fails the usability/user friendly test , sure needs a lot of work ...can't imagine having to deal with it on a daily basis
[14:30] <Riddell> ScottK: able to look at kde-workspace in raring-proposed for bug 1221750
[14:30] <Riddell> it's for a mega kubuntu rollout in taiwan
[14:34] <ScottK> Sure.
[14:34] <ScottK> Riddell: Needs test case, etc.  The usual SRU stuff in the bug.
[14:42] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1221750] sal does not reload menu entries @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1221750 (by Jonathan Riddell)
[14:43] <tsimpson> that's quite a long time to have that kind of bug
[15:21] <yofel> if howard gets back, solid/control/networkmanager.h is part of the NON-EXISTENT plasma-widget-networkmanagement-dev
[15:25] <ScottK> Should probably fix that.
[15:29] <Riddell> jmux: http://blogs.kde.org/2013/09/06/come-kubuntu-bug-squashing-party-munich
[15:29] <Riddell> also posted to kubuntu-devel
[15:33] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you see my ping about fixing up the SAL bug?
[15:41] <Riddell> ScottK: yep thanks
[15:42] <shadeslayer> ScottK: there's also ktp in the queue
[15:42] <shadeslayer> don't forget about that :P
[15:43] <Riddell> bah, no 10,000 kubuntu rollout requires that one :)
[15:43] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I didn't.
[15:43] <shadeslayer> :)
[15:46] <BluesKaj> there are semantic arguments about the beta1 release definition ...guess one can't say it's really released until it's official on sept 26
[15:47] <BluesKaj> not really released that is
[15:48] <BluesKaj> there's whole lot of pedantic types populating the chat's lately , one gets sidetracked
[15:52] <jmux> Riddell: thanks :)
[15:54] <Riddell> BluesKaj: it was released yesterday
[15:55] <BluesKaj> ok , I'll quote you on that , Riddell :)
[15:56] <Riddell> there's beta-2 due in a few weeks
[15:56] <BluesKaj> right
[15:59] <ScottK> BluesKaj: No.  It was a typo.  Beta 1 is released.  Beta 2 is coming later in the month.  It's nothing more complex than that.
[16:01] <BluesKaj> ScottK:  ok , thanks
[16:10] <santa__> sup
[16:11] <santa__> since you did some work on 4.11, do you guys have a ksnapshot able to load the kipi plugins properly?
[16:11] <yofel> santa__: yes, what's your issue? And what release are you on?
[16:12] <santa__> I'm packaging it for siduction
[16:13] <yofel> it'll work as long as kipi-plugins is built with the matching set of libkipi
[16:13] <santa__> that's what I dont get
[16:13] <santa__> I have a ksnapshot built against libkipi from 4.11
[16:14] <santa__> a digikam built against 4.11
[16:14] <santa__> both depend on libkipi11
[16:15] <santa__> and I got this in gwenview
[16:15] <santa__> gwenview(15984)/KIPI (loading) KIPI::PluginLoader::init: Plugin  "Importar/Exportar a Facebook" has a SO version ( 10 ) which is different than libkipi ABI version ( 11 ).  Refusing to load.
[16:15] <santa__> and similar lines for the rest of the plugins
[16:16] <santa__> and yes, gwenview was also built against kde 4.11 and depends on libkipi11 as it should
[16:17] <santa__> yofel: so if it works for you I wonder if you actually built it against libkipi11 or you patched something
[16:18] <yofel> santa__: no, you just need to build it against the correct version, the error even tells you that it's built against the old libkipi
[16:19] <santa__> yofel: but it's not built against the old kipi
[16:19] <yofel> well, *something* IS
[16:19] <yofel> check with ldd
[16:23] <santa__> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/pa737613a/
[16:24] <yofel> and gwenview?
[16:24] <yofel> nvm me
[16:24] <santa__> the thing is, is something is built against the old kipi, I just don't know what it is
[16:32] <Peace-> guys i have a problem to report a bug ....
[16:32] <Peace-> i should install the new kernel but and i did but grub menu was not updated
[16:32] <Peace-> so i have done sudo  update-grub2
[16:33] <Peace-> it says that there is the new kernel but then it doesnìt show it rebooting
[16:33] <Peace-> i have seen that installing the new kernel it says possible missing firmware radeon
[16:33] <Peace-> maybe it's this ?
[16:36] <ScottK> Peace-: It's not a Kubuntu specific issue, so likely no one knows here.   I can't see the icons in kolourpaint
[17:23] <santa_> and yes they are installed
[17:23] <santa_> just wondering if it happens with your packages too
[17:34] <Gsport> a friend of mine tells me that linux devs get payed in beer
[17:37] <Gsport> ar what site does amarok sotores its playlists?
[17:37] <Gsport> stores
[20:17] <shadeslayer> I don't think we'd get any work done if all foss developers got paid in beer
[20:18] <Riddell> something I always wondered about Free Software is where is all the Free Beer RMS keeps going on about
[20:18] <shadeslayer> true
[20:19] <shadeslayer> yofel: did saucy + 4.11.1 work fine for you?
[20:20] <shadeslayer> argh
[20:20] <shadeslayer> stupid site :<
[20:21] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer:  saucy + 4.11.1 works ok here so far , except kmail froze up ,. so i dumped it again :)
[20:22] <shadeslayer> yeah, kmail freezing happens here too
[20:22] <shadeslayer> but I think thats because it's too slow
[20:22] <shadeslayer> anyway
[20:22] <shadeslayer> pykde4 doesn't build
[20:22] <yofel> shadeslayer: works fine except python, but that's broken because of sip
[20:22] <shadeslayer> k uploading then
[20:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: you mentioned something about the addons package
[20:22] <BluesKaj> I really don't need it anyway , just5 thought I'd try iot again for fun , but it wasn't , fun.
[20:23] <shadeslayer> and soee tested out raring, going to copy that over as well
[20:23] <yofel> shadeslayer: oh, that just needed a rebuild, like all rdepends of libtaskmanager after it's in the archive
[20:23] <yofel> plasma-addons will be fine in the archive
[20:23] <shadeslayer> ah ofcourse
[20:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: there was a patch in bzr that I don't think got added in ninjas
[20:24] <shadeslayer> something in kde-workspace
[20:24] <yofel> yeah, that's not in ninjas and the version is wrong
[20:25] <yofel> dch -i doesn't go too well with UNRELEASED
[20:49] <shadeslayer> yofel: so change back to 0ubuntu1 in the changelog?
[20:49] <yofel> yeah
[20:50] <yofel> shadeslayer: erm, and move the patch to the right folder
[20:51] <shadeslayer> oh heh
[20:59] <shadeslayer> yofel: any reason to checkout the branches with bzr+ssh in the scripts?
[20:59] <shadeslayer> even when using --nopush
[21:00] <yofel> well, not really, it's just so you can easily push later if required
[21:02] <shadeslayer> okay
[21:02] <shadeslayer> script running anyway
[21:08] <yofel> --nopush was added for debugging reasons really
[21:10] <shadeslayer> what happens if the script crashes while running ?
[21:11] <shadeslayer> and when you run it again, does it add another entry?
[21:13] <yofel> hm...
[21:14] <yofel> shadeslayer: it might fail when committing an empty message
[21:14] <yofel> erm, an empty commit I mean
[21:17] <yofel> maybe the committing should be skipped if the current tag already exists
[21:27] <shadeslayer> sounds like a good idea
[21:55] <shadeslayer> yofel: can you run the script for precise while I work on saucy?
[21:56] <yofel> sure
[21:56] <shadeslayer> cool thx
[22:16] <shadeslayer> yofel: do you have the script to push everything to bzr somewhere?
[22:17] <yofel> I never made one, I simply write the loop for that into the shell when I do that
[22:17] <shadeslayer> right, have that in history somewhere?
[22:18] <yofel> doesn't look like it. I need to make my history longer
[22:19] <shadeslayer> hmm
[22:19] <yofel> I think it's something like:
[22:20] <yofel> curdir=$(pwd); for pkg in *; do cd $pkg/bzr; bzr push :parent; cd $curdir; done
[22:23] <shadeslayer> 4.11.1 uploaded
[22:23] <shadeslayer> mplayerthumbs_4.11.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes rejected
[22:24] <shadeslayer> someone needs to add that to the supported seeds ^^
[22:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^ can you upload mplayerthumbs for saucy?
[22:25] <yofel> keyring.errors.PasswordSetError: GNOME_KEYRING_RESULT_IO_ERROR
[22:25] <yofel> SIGH
[22:25] <yofel> next try
[22:26] <shadeslayer> :)
[22:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: 4.11.1 raring to kubuntu-ppa/ppa right?
[22:52] <shadeslayer> since we'll be SRU'ing it
[22:53] <shadeslayer> hm no
[22:53] <shadeslayer> backports
[22:54] <shadeslayer> script running
[22:57] <yofel> backports
[22:57] <shadeslayer> all done


[19:06] <jono> hey all
[19:06] <jono> could someone re-post http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/05/shipit-discontinued-long-live-loco-teams/ to ubuntu-news?
[19:11] <akgraner> jono..got it
[19:12] <jono> akgraner, thanks :-)
[19:19] <akgraner> jono it's posted - http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/04/05/shipit-discontinued-long-live-loco-teams/
[19:19] <jono> thanks akgraner
[23:47] <akgraner> Hey all...I'll be working on a Blueprint for UDS looking at goals for the -O cycle...I'll email the link to the team and drop it in here so folks can add to it....


[00:48] <zruty> In Gnome there is gdm, in xfce (Xubuntu) there is what ...?
[00:49] <unheeding> lightdm
[00:49] <zruty> Ah, cool. That should help... thanks!
[00:51] <David-A> zruty: in xubuntu 10.04 it seems to be gdm too, in xubuntu 12.04 it's lightdm
[01:05] <xubuntu462> New apps are no longer appearing in the xfce 4.10 menu for 1 user (me), works for other user
[01:07] <zruty> David-A: unheeding: Thanks! I think I can figure it all out from there... Had to do with custom resolution settings...
[01:08] <unheeding> no problem
[01:08] <unheeding> rely on us, the experts
[01:08] <unheeding> ;)
[01:10] <xubuntu462> apt-get install playonlinux does not add pol to the menu for me, but does for 2nd user, any clues?
[01:21] <xubuntu605> Will there be a non-pae 32 bit kernel available for this release?
[04:13] <kareti> i have a problem. the notification area shows up all the time and the key board will not take continious input
[04:13] <kareti> can any one help me please.
[09:09] <nicekiwi> is there a master file somewhere containing the full UserName for my system? As in my personal name used in the logout menu? I accidently made a 'case' typo and now I cant fix it
[09:09] <koegs> nicekiwi: /etc/passwd
[09:13] <nicekiwi> koegs, ty
[09:17] <gour> morning
[09:20] <gour> recently i moved away from arch and tried for a short period of time pc-bsd (9.1rc2), but decided to return back to linux and installed linux mint (xfce)..however some user asked me why not ubuntu which might have more support and i wonder what is the relationship of xubuntu with ubuntu? saw there was some issues within xubuntu community in this year (according to wikipedia article)
[09:23] <Unit193> Xubuntu uses the same core, repos, and such as Ubuntu, just different default applications, settings and of course DE.
[09:23] <nikolam> i have too many application crash reports upon installing fresh 12.04
[09:24] <nikolam> eather reports now better catch previously unnoticed applicatoin crashes, or too many apps are untested
[09:24] <nicekiwi> nikolam, do you notice which apps crash?
[09:25] <nikolam> today it is filezilla. Worked fine for a job, except that it put like 2 crash reports in between. I suppose its not big deal..
[09:25] <nicekiwi> nikolam, so far for me only tumblr and thunar crash (alot), but not badly.
[09:26] <nikolam> I have found 2 solutions for tumblrd , eather using newer xfce from repo or upgrading to 12.10 or using apparmor
[09:26] <nikolam> (to tell him stop indexing optical drives)
[09:27] <gour> Unit193: so, all the packages/PPAs available for ubuntu are ready for xubuntu?
[09:27] <nikolam> xubuntu and ubuntu are basically the same thing, except xubuntu use another set of default packages for gui etc
[09:28] <gour> i used gentoo & arch for >10yrs and now i want something that just works 'out of the box' without too much tinkering and it's not too old like debian-stable
[09:28] <Unit193> gour: Well, that would depend on the quality of the package, and if it depends on Unity or gnome.  But otherwise it should work exactly the same.
[09:28] <nikolam> if yiu add packages depending on some GNOME parts , it will install them throug dependencies.
[09:28] <gour> nikolam: that's ok..i think about things like cinelerra etc.
[09:29] <nikolam> what about cinelerra ? I told you that is same thing. You use synaptic or software center to install. xubuntu and ubuntu use the same package repositories
[09:30] <gour> i meant stuff which is in 3rd party PPAs
[09:30] <nikolam> again. same thing. And they also have dependencies descriptions included in packages, that install required parts automatically.
[09:31] <nikolam> 3rd party PPAs usualy have 3rd party PPA manuals and support.
[09:40] <KhuduZulu> lo
[09:42] <nicekiwi> meow
[09:43] <KhuduZulu> nicekiwi: sweet..another kiwi
[09:48] <KhuduZulu> has anyone encoutered this error: error calling cwap(1)
[09:50] <nikolam> KhuduZulu, where and when
[09:52] <KhuduZulu> trying to load xubuntu on old-ish laptop
[09:52] <nikolam> KhuduZulu, how much RAM?
[09:52] <KhuduZulu> 256
[09:54] <suttiwit> hi there all
[09:54] <KhuduZulu> lo suttiwit
[09:54] <suttiwit> is ncurses (I need the library file in /usr/include) in the repository?
[09:55] <suttiwit> (12.10
[09:56] <suttiwit> is it in the repo?
[09:56] <TheSheep> !find ncurses-dev
[09:56] <suttiwit> hmm
[09:56] <TheSheep> !info libncurses5-dev
[09:57] <nikolam> KhuduZulu, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu#System_Requirements
[09:57] <suttiwit> okay
[09:57] <nikolam> 12.04 seems to require 512MB
[09:58] <nikolam> xubuntu should not quite count as "light distribution". Maybe as ubuntu with a smaller memory footprint and more classic and user manageable xfce
[09:59] <KhuduZulu> I gathered that much, however the http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ site states that it will run on 256...
[09:59] <KhuduZulu> is there an even lighter version?
[10:00] <nikolam> KhuduZulu, well, install from alternate cd. I use alternate for raid support anyway
[10:00] <nikolam> KhuduZulu, there is one with lxde
[10:01] <nikolam> or you can install ubuntu with no GUI and add just what minimal you want or some other WM
[10:01] <nikolam> it is called lubuntu, one with lxde
[10:02] <KhuduZulu> ok, so I am fairly new to linux(or should i say, recently converted)
[10:02] <KhuduZulu> I am downloading lubuntu now, and will try that.
[10:02] <KhuduZulu> thnx for help
[10:02] <nikolam> thats all right, because ubuntu is like windows in linux world :)
[10:03] <nikolam> http://lubuntu.net/, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD  but I rather more like to use xfce, it is most powerfull for its footprint.
[10:03] <KhuduZulu> I have always been on windows, but are sold on ubunty...recently converted my house(4pc's) to ubuntu
[10:04] <nikolam> so, I choose xubuntu. You can start with 256 and later add more RAM
[10:05] <nikolam> but i sugge install from alternate CD.
[10:06] <nikolam> Also there is more free software kernels ,systems and distributions, too.
[10:06] <nikolam> KhuduZulu, see distrowatch.com to me amazed :)
[10:20] <KhuduZulu> i will check it out...thnx for the help
[10:58] <foobar55> hi all
[10:58] <foobar55> installed elvis but it needs  courier-medium-r
[10:59] <foobar55> someone know the package
[12:15] <nikolam> this climboard manager for xfce - clipman does not respond timely when clicked in tray. it is selected 50 for history
[12:18] <nikolam> also if often happens that when an app does not respond to a click , neither other respond in a short period of time
[12:18] <nikolam> like 7-8 seconds and then they start working
[12:19] <nikolam> I observed it when starting Thunar with desktop icon double-click.
[12:19] <nikolam> After that it opens like, 6 thunars after waiting for 8+ seconds
[12:59] <ewet> hi, I cannot find the xfce4-taskbar-plugin package anymore. is it hidden in a bigger package or is there a ppa?
[14:27] <SPRUCED> anyone out there able to get the mic mute button working on lenovo thinkpad x120e in xubuntu 12.04 64-bit
[14:29] <holstein> SPRUCED: mic mute?
[14:29] <holstein> SPRUCED: i would look at a larger XFCE support concern.. that would just trickle in
[14:29] <holstein> SPRUCED: i havent noticed a "mic mute" button that has ever worked
[14:30] <holstein> SPRUCED: no one here, or envloved with XFCE, or linux are preventing lenovo from providing support for that feature though
[14:31] <Yotson> nice polite wording there holstein. :)
[14:31] <holstein> SPRUCED: i would probably fire up the main ubuntu vanilla live CD running unity and test... and maybe check a few other live CD's and search around and see if anyone has that feature working on anything
[14:31] <holstein> Yotson: thanks :)
[14:32] <SPRUCED> Thanks for response, this is the first question I've asked on IRC. Are you suggesting I try another channel?
[14:32] <holstein> SPRUCED: the question is, can it be suppported? or is it just something that is a little "odd" in xfce
[14:32] <SPRUCED> seems like it requires osme tweaking
[14:32] <holstein> SPRUCED: you can.. i would want to know, will it work on *anything*.. not just xfce
[14:32] <Yotson> i would have said that most manufactures don't give a -ahum- about linux users. XD
[14:32] <Donnie> Updated and now I'm stuck at the splash screen for "Configuring network".. How do I get around that
[14:33] <holstein> Donnie: i usually wait it out... have you tried waiting?
[14:33] <Donnie> holstein: I waited it out for about 2hrs once
[14:33] <holstein> Donnie: :/ ...lemme look for what i used once
[14:33] <GridCube> SPRUCED: you can try editint the action of the fn key using keytouch editor
[14:33] <Donnie> holstein: thank
[14:33] <GridCube> !info keytouch-editor
[14:35] <mneptok> SPRUCED: where is the mic mute on the x120e?
[14:35] <holstein> Donnie: entry 24 is suggested.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/811441 ..i would research a bit more before running those commands
[14:35] <SPRUCED> It on F4 I beleive
[14:36] <mneptok> SPRUCED: F4 on my x120e is "Sleep"
[14:36] <mneptok> SPRUCED: NA/US model?
[14:36] <SPRUCED> OK it must be F3, sorry I am on a different thinkpad right now
[14:37] <mneptok> SPRUCED: oh, yeah. it looks like an "X" until you get really close and see that one of the crosspeices has a wind bulb at the top :)
[14:37] <Donnie> holstein: thank you. Now time to read :D
[14:39] <SPRUCED> I tried this post #346 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1699238&page=35 and its toggled the pulseaudio mixer a couple of times and then stopped working
[14:40] <mneptok> SPRUCED: xev doesn't even register the keypress
[14:41] <mneptok> oh, ew. there's a specialized thinkpad_acpi module. ick.
[14:41] <SPRUCED> mneptok: this registered the key press when I tried acpi_listen says Fn+F3
[14:41] <mneptok> SPRUCED: try that module, i guess.
[14:42] <SPRUCED> I did and it allowed the vol up/down to work
[14:42] <mneptok> SPRUCED: just be sure that this functionality is really inportant
[14:42] <mneptok> !info tpb
[14:42] <SPRUCED> I was just going to say...its not that important
[14:43] <SPRUCED> thanks everyone.
[14:44] <mneptok> SPRUCED: this is a nice x120e accessory - http://www.amazon.com/Perixx-PERIBOARD-804-Wireless-Bluetooth-Keyboard/dp/B005MJ6F80
[14:44] <mneptok> :)
[14:48] <ner0x> If you're using 12.04, how does one upgrade to 12.10 ?
[14:51] <holstein> ner0x: you can change the preferences in the "upgrade manager" to accept the (arguably) developmental releases, instead of just the lts releases
[14:51] <mneptok> ner0x: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo do-release-upgrade
[14:51] <holstein> ner0x: you can back up your data (as you should anyway) and fresh install, after trying the live CD
[14:51] <ner0x> So you don't trust the 12.10 ?
[14:51] <GridCube> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/upgrade
[14:52] <mneptok> ner0x: you may need to force the last command to get an non-LTS
[14:52] <holstein> ner0x: i didnt mean to imply "trust".. 12.04 is an LTS, and do you need 12.10? or do you need the LTS?
[14:52] <ner0x> holstein: Everything is put on a separate hd so backup is fine. And for the other box, it's a fresh install.
[14:53] <GridCube> ner0x: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/upgrade
[14:53] <holstein> ner0x: i only do upgrades to test.. i *always* do a fresh install after trying the live iso
[14:53] <mneptok> GridCube: welcome to #Xubuntu
[14:54] <holstein> best case scenario, after waiting for all the packages to download (maybe like 6 hours), there is no changes that has broken functionality, and the upgrade works
[14:54] <ner0x> holstein: Better off just reinstalling?
[14:54] <mneptok> ner0x: why do you need 12.10?
[14:54] <ner0x> holstein: I'm not actually upgrade my main box at home, I don't really need it.
[14:54] <holstein> otherwise, i download an iso in like 10+ minutes, and a fresh install is like 10 minutes..
[14:54] <holstein> ner0x: i prefer it. thats all im saying
[14:55] <GridCube> mneptok: do you know that xubuntu is just ubuntu with xubuntu-desktop, all non-xubuntu things are the same as ubuntu
[14:55] <ner0x> holstein: I would do the same.
[14:56] <mneptok> GridCube: seeing that i worked for Canonical, yeah, i do. :P and the very first instruction will fail because there is no Dash in Xubuntu.
[14:56] <ner0x> mneptok: I don't on my main box, it works as-is so I'm not upgrading that one. Another box I am, because of LTS. Third box is a blank HD anyway, so it's fine. Kernel 3.2 vs 3.5 though, differences?
[14:56] <mneptok> ner0x: if you want LTS, do NOT upgrade. 12.04 will have support far longer than will 12.10.
[14:57] <GridCube> mneptok: alt-f2 its basically the same
[14:57] <ner0x> mneptok: Oh, I thought that was the opposite. No big deal either way. I always fresh install.
[14:57] <mneptok> GridCube: no, because the dash lets you search. ALT-F@ requires you know to tyupe "gksudo update-manager"
[14:58] <mneptok> GridCube: also, those instrustions will not work from 12.04 to 12.10 unless default prefs get changed.
[14:58] <GridCube> gksu its not needed, and that what you want to write its given by the instruction
[14:58] <crash__> so xubuntu 12.04 is only supported for 3 instead of 5  years like the standard ubuntu? So xfce4 bugs is not fixed after 3 years but core bugs is fixed after that?
[14:59] <GridCube> ok, thats good to know mneptok, but its not the same as what you said first
[14:59] <mneptok> GridCube: you cannot say "press the windows jey is the same as alt-f2" when you do not know the experience level of the user.
[14:59] <mneptok> *key
[14:59] <GridCube> good point
[15:00] <mneptok> GridCube: please, refrain from just pasting URLs to Ubuntu documentation in #xubuntu, unless you have reviewed them.
[15:00] <mneptok> GridCube: effort is appreciated. results were just not optimal. :)
[15:01] <GridCube> mneptok: they just usually work, and in this case they should aswel
[15:14] <ner0x> So for a fresh install would everyone recommend using 12.04 ?
[15:15] <holstein> ner0x: if i wanted the LTS, i would do 12.04
[15:15] <holstein> ner0x: i would recommend trying the live CD for either first, for hardware compatibility check
[15:15] <ner0x> holstein: It's a brand new machine either way. That's fine.
[15:16] <holstein> for me, sometimes i take the path of least resistance.. and 10.04 is still "on the table"
[15:16] <hhhzzzarn> ner0x: don't do 10.04.
[15:17] <holstein> i wouldnt mind 10.04.. if the support was easier/better
[15:17] <holstein> but i would try 12.04 first
[15:21] <v1adimir> guys if anyone's bothered, i'm too thick to figure out WTH is going on, but netstat -g is showing me all-systems.mcast.net and i'm getting constant ~1KB icoming traffic that seems to be IGMP (v3); but I removed the second LAN card that seems to have instigated the whole thing (never had it b4, same pc) and today, after a cable-modem reset from my ISP, it came back (flashing the Network Monitor non-stop
[15:21] <v1adimir> , Xubu 12.04.1)
[15:22] <v1adimir> .. I've reinstalled, so it's not that; & I'm having trouble understanding / seeing what's that all about (n00b) :f
[15:23] <ner0x> I'm just going to do 12.10 lol
[15:23] <v1adimir> ner0x: there are some 'problems' with 12.10
[15:24] <v1adimir> also the Indicator Plugin is non-existent (btw)
[15:27] <Donnie> Xubuntu refuses to load. Have drive installed as slave to my windows system. Not showing in MyComputer. Need it to, so I can transfer my media from it to my windows drive, and start over with linux. How must I go about?
[15:27] <ner0x> Actually, I'm just going ot use 12.04 since it's LTS
[15:27] <v1adimir> Donnie: do you have a livecd / usb, can you run it from there?
[15:27] <holstein> Donnie: making window read the filesystem ubuntu is on
[15:27] <holstein> yeah.. using a live CD to transfer is easy Donnie
[15:28] <Donnie> I could, but is there a way to just mouth the drive?
[15:29] <v1adimir> Donnie: also if you had windows installed prior to xubuntu, you can boot from the windows cd and go to recovery command prompt only and use 'bootrec /fixboot' and 'bootrec /fixmbr' to get your windows loader back and bypass xubuntu
[15:29] <Donnie> vladimir: It's 2 separate drives
[15:29] <v1adimir> oic :S
[15:29] <holstein> Donnie: you can add the funtionality to windows to read ext4 or whatever you used
[15:29] <ner0x> Yeah, can someone explain to me how to make a 12.04 USB boot drive?
[15:30] <v1adimir> ner0x: do you have a free usb stick?
[15:30] <Donnie> holstein: No idea how to do that
[15:31] <holstein> Donnie: well, i would just use the live CD. or try http://www.webupd8.org/2011/08/access-ext4-ext3-or-ext2-partitions-in.html
[15:31] <ner0x> v1adimir: I do.
[15:31] <v1adimir> oh 'usb boot drive' lol i didn't read it.. once you boot from the cd and start xubu, just go to system - startup disk creator
[15:31] <v1adimir> @ ner0x
[15:31] <ner0x> v1adimir: Sorry, usb stick would be a more accurate description.
[15:32] <v1adimir> ner0x: yeah, cool.. startup disk creator should see the usb drive and make it for you automatically
[15:32] <ner0x> That's pretty awesome.
[15:32] <Donnie> holstein: Nice. so it's just a tiny download and it'll read? That's cool
[15:32] <v1adimir> if you run into a problem.. there's another cool util
[15:33] <holstein> Donnie: i would just use the live CD.. but you will not have out of the box support for ext4 (which is what i assume you are trying to read) from windows
[15:33] <v1adimir> ner0x: should be this one.. http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/create-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive-the-easy-way/
[15:34] <v1adimir> but startup disk creator should work: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu && https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[15:34] <Donnie> holstein: Yeah. I just wanna read, transfer, unmount my windows drive, then format and redo linux. It' still stuck at the network, I did recovery mode and it says that Grub 3 can't be found
[15:35] <holstein> Donnie: i would just fire up a live CD.. that is capable of reading ext4 and ntfs.. and copy.. or you can read aobut and add ext support to windows... if you prefer to and insist on moving the files inside the windows OS
[15:36] <v1adimir> yeah it might be better to access the *nix file-systems through *nix and avoid the windows plugins / utils
[15:37] <v1adimir> althought i never had problems with total commander
[15:37] <v1adimir> (whatever that plugin is called, there are a couple for it)
[15:49] <hhhzzzarn> nerox: I have 12.10
[15:59] <nitroxic> hi everyone
[15:59] <nitroxic> im preparing a usb stick with UNEbootin to install in an old POS system
[16:00] <nitroxic> At a certain point i asks for the cd-rom
[16:01] <holstein> nitroxic: the live CD? which iso?
[16:01] <nitroxic> 12.04 alternate
[16:03] <nitroxic> i read somewhere that i could ad / change a parameter "cdrom-detect/try-usb=true" but i dont know where....
[16:04] <holstein> http://demtrex.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/work-around-the-cd-rom-detection-issue-when-installing-ubuntu-server/ might help
[16:04] <holstein> nitroxic: can you just use the live cd?
[16:05] <nitroxic> nope, not in this case :P
[16:05] <nitroxic> its an old POS with a celeron and 256MB ram
[16:05] <nitroxic> no optic drive, but internal hdd
[16:05] <nitroxic> have to install java based application with local database... so hdd is the best bet
[16:06] <holstein> nitroxic: can you use the live ISO via the USB stick, is what im asking
[16:06] <nitroxic> nope
[16:06] <nitroxic> an usb stick / live cd is too slow with java VM and database
[16:07] <nitroxic> and i still do not know how big the database is going to get
[16:07] <holstein> nitroxic: right.. using the usb stick method that i know you are stuck using, can you use the live CD iso instead of the alternate cd iso?
[16:07] <nitroxic> unless i can install it, like a live cd, directly in the hdd... is that possible?
[16:08] <holstein> nitroxic: its all open, anything is possible.. lets try and detiermine what migh tbe easiest
[16:08] <nitroxic> i need to strip down the installation to its minimum
[16:08] <nitroxic> only 256 MB ram ,and the app running eats up from 32 MB up :P
[16:09] <GridCube> nitroxic: why not using the minimal iso and installing xubuntu-desktop from the net?
[16:09] <holstein> yeah.. im suggesting, nitroxic , to use a more "usb" friendly iso...
[16:09] <nitroxic> does it look for the cdrom as well ?
[16:09] <nitroxic> ah... i see
[16:10] <GridCube> it looks for a network
[16:10] <nitroxic> im trying now to use the ubuntu server workaround you sent me holstein
[16:10] <holstein> nitroxic: i have always ran into that with te alternate isos, though i though it was fixed
[16:10] <holstein> thought*
[16:10] <nitroxic> nope... still a bug :P
[16:11] <nitroxic> just started a new installation....
[16:11] <holstein> well, its not really a "bug" as far as i see it.. unet is 3rd party and the iso works as intended.. but it could be addressed
[16:11] <nitroxic> but if i need a minimal ISO, where can i get it? ftp? or directly from mirror? I think i didnt see one in the portuguese mirror
[16:13] <nitroxic> i consider it a "bug", since ease of installation has allways been a standard in Ubuntu releases, and optical drives are getting out of machines nowadays
[16:14] <GridCube> !minimal
[16:14] <holstein> nitroxic: there is no "usb iso" though... it is an alternate cd image.. though i agree it should be addressed
[16:15] <nitroxic> thanks for the help Holstein, GridCube and ubottu :)
[16:15] <GridCube> P: the bot says thanks
[16:15] <nitroxic> i'll give it a go and see if i can make it run in this prehistoric POS
[16:17] <nitroxic> and again thanks everyone for the help
[16:59] <Donnie> Mounted linux drive as slave on xp. Trying to export FF bookmarks. Folder is NOT located at /home/user/.mozilla... where else could it be?
[17:01] <v1adimir> Donnie: should be there :-0
[17:01] <GridCube> it should be
[17:01] <Donnie> vladimir: Not there.
[17:01] <v1adimir> :\
[17:02] <GridCube> Donnie: explain how you mounted the drive? are you sure you are in the correct /home/user/?
[17:02] <Donnie> GridCube: I only have one folder of my username and it's not in it
[17:03] <GridCube> Donnie: how you mounted the disk?
[17:03] <holstein> Donnie: i would probaby just export. or use the sync
[17:03] <Donnie> Mounted with that ext4 program
[17:06] <Donnie> Found it. had to manually type the path in
[17:32] <Yotson> hmm. i somehow made the browser window transparent. Any shortcuts to get rid of that?
[17:32] <Yotson> bit lame but i have difficulty looking for the answer myself now. hehe
[17:33] <knome> Yotson, you probably "rolled it up"
[17:33] <knome> Yotson, try pressing the small arrowish icon on the top left of the titlebar
[17:33] <knome> Yotson, is that your problem?
[17:33] <Yotson> nope. i can see vague shadows of a web page.
[17:34] <ashNOP> Yotson, try to Alt+Scroll
[17:34] <ashNOP> with mouse wheel
[17:34] <Yotson> pfew. thanks ashNOP, knome.
[17:34] <knome> np. enjoy!
[17:35] <Yotson> touchpad here. somehow, accidentally.. lol
[17:35] <knome> that's too easy these days
[19:28] <ner0x> Is there any way to remote desktop connection your way into a xubuntu server from windows?
[19:32] <torax> I´d use ssh but if terminal is not enough, then VNC
[19:33] <ner0x> VNC from windows?
[19:34] <ner0x> Oh yeah, that's pretty cool.
[19:38] <xubuntu626> hello
[19:38] <xubuntu626> I have problems to finish installing xubuntu ... stays in the apt-clone
[19:38] <xubuntu626> anyone can help me?
[19:55] <utiuti> Greetings.  Not hanging but it's asking for a login and I don't have a usernam/password
[21:11] <AdmiralSausage> holstein: OK sorry it's under a VM
[21:12] <holstein> what virtualiation? what host?.. virtualbox typicaly just works
[21:12] <AdmiralSausage> all the other distros I know auto login
[21:12] <AdmiralSausage> libvirt and kvm
[21:12] <holstein> auto login?.. you mean, get to a desktop?
[21:13] <holstein> AdmiralSausage: i might confirm the md5.. or try nomodeset... i would look at the guest settings
[21:13] <AdmiralSausage> holstein: yes, in live cd mode, that's what I've come to expect..
[21:13] <AdmiralSausage> holstein: md5 confirmed. that was the 1st thing I did
[21:13] <AdmiralSausage> ok will try nomodeset hang on
[21:13] <holstein> AdmiralSausage: sure, im just tring to differentiate between "not audio login" and crashing
[21:14] <holstein> those are quite different.. and i am assuming its hanging and not proceding, and ether crashing there, or just not moving on. has nothing to do with the live user not logging in... or that my assumption
[21:16] <AdmiralSausage> OK nomodeset made no difference
[21:16] <AdmiralSausage> it's not crashing
[21:16] <AdmiralSausage> I have a fully interactive display manager asking me for my credentials
[21:16] <AdmiralSausage> I can read the release notes in firefox
[21:16] <AdmiralSausage> I just can't log on!
[21:16] <AdmiralSausage> I can even ctrl-alt-f1 to a prompt
[21:17] <AdmiralSausage> where 'xubuntu' is auto-logged on
[21:17] <AdmiralSausage> I just can't get a decktop
[21:17] <AdmiralSausage> desktop even
[21:20] <GridCube> AdmiralSausage, you put you password and then it just comes back to the greeter?
[21:20] <AdmiralSausage> GridCube: I don't have a password. This is a live cd
[21:21] <GridCube> oh
[21:21] <AdmiralSausage> but it's my 1st time with xubuntu - is there a password I'm supposed to know?
[21:21] <GridCube> no
[21:21] <GridCube> not in the livecd
[21:22] <GridCube> AdmiralSausage, what do you mean then by: I have a fully interactive display manager asking me for my credentials
[21:22] <AdmiralSausage> GridCube: There is a login manager asking me for a password, to chose bewteen "xfce session" and "xubuntu session" etc
[21:22] <AdmiralSausage> lightdm I think
[21:23] <GridCube> but... thats not a livecd feature
[21:23] <GridCube> you just get the desktop
[21:23] <AdmiralSausage> GridCube: very odd then
[21:23] <GridCube> AdmiralSausage, how did you obtain your iso?
[21:24] <AdmiralSausage> f5f80e22cb1c80232efcbd8e2c5955f8  /home/pete/Desktop/xubuntu-12.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:24] <AdmiralSausage> That's the md5sum
[21:24] <AdmiralSausage> zsync from a UK ubuntu mirror
[21:25] <GridCube> thatf5f80e22cb1c80232efcbd8e2c5955f8 *xubuntu-12.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:25] <GridCube> that sounds correct
[21:26] <GridCube> AdmiralSausage, you then burned it to a cd/dvd or turned it to a usb booteable
[21:26] <GridCube> ?
[21:26] <AdmiralSausage> GridCube: No it's a vm
[21:27] <GridCube> oh... thats even weirdier
[21:27] <AdmiralSausage> GridCube: I am going to nose around in the lightdm logs and if that fails stick it on a usb pen
[21:27] <AdmiralSausage> but I'd prefer the VM
[21:27] <GridCube> AdmiralSausage, how much video memory have you given to the vm?
[21:27] <AdmiralSausage> None explicitly it's on vga
[21:27] <GridCube> maybe it needs more than 12MB
[21:28] <AdmiralSausage> think 9mb is default
[21:28] <GridCube> 12mb its the default on vboxes
[21:29] <GridCube> and it works fine
[21:29] <AdmiralSausage> GridCube: Oh genius
[21:29] <AdmiralSausage> It was actually set to "cirrus"
[21:29] <AdmiralSausage> that appears to be the default for libvirt's VMs
[21:29] <AdmiralSausage> setting it to VGA did the trick
[21:30] <AdmiralSausage> straight to a desktop
[21:30] <AdmiralSausage> thanks!
[21:30] <GridCube> :D excellent!
[21:31] <AdmiralSausage> 1st day on xubuntu but also 1st day on libvirt too :-( it's convenient but maybe I should stick to command line qemu!
[21:31] <AdmiralSausage> thanks anyway
[21:31] <AdmiralSausage> I'm off for a play in 12.10
[21:31] <AdmiralSausage> cheers
[22:28] <ner0x> If I wanted parole to play mp3 files, what would I install?
[22:28] <GridCube> xubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:28] <ner0x> Thank you.
[22:28] <ner0x> And the *-addons is what?
[22:28] <GridCube> ?
[22:28] <GridCube> what?
[22:29] <GridCube> just do sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:29] <ner0x> I got that, I just noticed another xubuntu-restricted-addons.
[22:30] <ner0x> Nevermind though, I figured it out.
[22:30] <GridCube> :)
[22:30] <GridCube> !info xubuntu-restricted-addons
[22:30] <GridCube> oh... i guess extras adds it anyway
[22:40] <ner0x> Yeah. GUI app to make Fat32 partitions?
[22:40] <GridCube> gparted
[22:40] <ner0x> Thanks.
[22:40] <GridCube> np