[01:20] <r3m0t> I have /etc/wpa_supplicant/
[01:21] <timstokman> looking for the .conf
[01:21] <timstokman> hmm, then it must have moved
[01:21] <timstokman> damm
[01:21] <timstokman> thnx anyway
[01:22] <smallfoot-> shouldnt Ubuntu have a "safe-mode" option?
[01:22] <r3m0t> safe enough for what?
[01:23] <bjb1959> I had ubuntu gutsy up and running with the latest driver and compiz-fusion working except that the system would freeze after about 30 minutes of inactivity. I read that disabling dpms in xorg and at the bios level would help but it didn't so I tried to downgrade my driver to 1.0-9755 and that is when the problem started. now I can't get the restricted driver to work.... help
[01:23] <aLeSD> I'm sorry : if I set custom effects .. nothing happen ... and if I close and reopen the window I find the extra option set
[01:25] <smallfoot-> r3m0t, if ubuntu dont work normally
[01:25] <timseves> Anyone tried to boot Gutsy LiveCD over PXE?
[01:26] <r3m0t> smallfoot-: there's the "recovery mode" option in GRUB that brings you to single-user mode, without graphics. what else did you want?
[01:26] <smallfoot-> r3m0t, didnt know about "recovery mode", how do i get to it?
[01:27] <r3m0t> smallfoot-: when you boot up, wait for "Stage 1.5 loading" and "Press ESC to enter menu" and you have about 3 seconds to press ESC
[01:27] <riotkittie> safe mode. oye vey.
[01:27] <smallfoot-> oh
[01:27] <twodeko> anyone having issues with the gutsy beta installer CD?  mine makes it to the default brown background with a mouse and then hangs, and i eventually lose my display
[01:27] <smallfoot-> r3m0t, when im in "recovery mode", am i inside grub or ubuntu?
[01:27] <bjb1959> I had ubuntu gutsy up and running with the latest driver and compiz-fusion working except that the system would freeze after about 30 minutes of inactivity. I read that disabling dpms in xorg and at the bios level would help but it didn't so I tried to downgrade my driver to 1.0-9755 and that is when the problem started. now I can't get the restricted driver to work.... help
[01:28] <r3m0t> smallfoot-: ubuntu
[01:28] <twodeko> i have tried the safe video mode as well, no luck
[01:28] <smallfoot-> cool
[01:29] <bjb1959> Can anyone help me?
[01:32] <sobersabre> gnomefreak: is "command-not-found" - a bash builtin ?
[01:32] <gnomefreak> no
[01:32] <gnomefreak> !info command-not-found
[01:32] <ubotu> command-not-found: Suggest installation of packages in interactive bash sessions. In component main, is standard. Version 0.2.8ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 6 kB, installed size 96 kB
[01:38] <Vorian> hmm
[01:38] <agroker>  how to switch off the loud system beep under GG (I do not have X yet)?
[01:38] <Vorian> azureus keeps crashing
[01:38] <kitche> agroker: either rmmod pcspkr or add an option to your .bashrc
[01:38] <sobersabre> ok, why did you call it a "builtin" then ?
[01:39] <jrib> agroker: set bell-style none
[01:39] <sobersabre> for me a "builtin" is something that has no executable file. like "echo"
[01:39] <sobersabre> ( as opposed to "echo" which is in /bin/echo )
[01:39] <kitche> jrib: ah that is it :)
[01:39] <jrib> in .inputrc
[01:39] <agroker> kitche, thanks
[01:40] <MarcC> anybody using Kubuntu Gutsy?
[01:41] <sobersabre> MarcC: what is the question ?
[01:41] <agroker> jrib, sorry, do I type it in the shell?
[01:41] <MarcC> sobersabre: I'd like to know if you can change the target gamma through KControl Display Settings in Kubuntu Gutsy, or if that bug still exists?
[01:42] <jrib> agroker: in ~/.inputrc
[01:42] <sobersabre> MarcC: you can refer to package revision history.
[01:42] <agroker> jrib, oic, thanks
[01:42] <sobersabre> I don't know exactly.
[01:42] <MarcC> sobersabre: thank you, where can I find the revision history?
[01:43] <jrib> agroker: typing works temporarily
[01:43] <sobersabre> each package has a maintainer. each new version has a release note, which often has "revision log", "changes" etc.
[01:43] <sobersabre> I must leave.
[01:43] <sobersabre> good night.
[01:50] <brandon_> has anybody gotten the nvidia driver to work?
[01:51] <gnomefreak> MarcC: changelog are on LP and in the source package.
[01:51] <gnomefreak> brandon_: yes easy
[01:51] <gnomefreak> brandon_: restricted-manager
[01:51] <brandon_> gnomefreak: version mismatch
[01:51] <gnomefreak> upgrade huh?
[01:52] <gnomefreak> version mismatch on drivers or the r-m
[01:52] <aLeSD> brandon_: me
[01:52] <brandon_> gnomefreak: it worked after i upgraded to gutsy. it stopped working a couple of days ago
[01:53] <gnomefreak> brandon_: if you used envy or got the drivers from nvidia.com in the past than you need to remove anything that envy or nvidia.sh built
[01:53] <gnomefreak> brandon_: or make sure you are booted to the kernel that the drivers were installed for
[01:54] <brandon_> gnomefreak: i used envy in the past, but not with the gutsy kernels, so i don't see why anything envy built should still be around
[01:54] <gnomefreak> those are most common issues with that error
[01:54] <gnomefreak> brandon_: you used it in feisty?
[01:54] <brandon_> yes
[01:54] <gnubuntu11> i get an error with xrandr in xgl session: X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
[01:54] <gnomefreak> brandon_: ubuntu cant upgrade the restricted-modules envy built hence the version mismatch
[01:55] <brandon_> well, which packages should i get rid of to purge the envy modules?
[01:55] <gnomefreak> brandon_: you need to remove them not sure how you are gonna do that without knowing how it was built. envy uses nvidia.sh drivers and they build thier own kernel modules and that is the reason for error
[01:56] <gnomefreak> brandon_: you need to FIND where they are if you can tell the differnece. notice find is capped. that is a command to use
[01:56] <gnomefreak> btw for further info
[01:56] <threethirty> hello all
[01:56] <gnomefreak> !envy
[01:56] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[01:57] <brandon_> greeeat
[01:57] <gnomefreak> no it not a joke
[01:57] <gnomefreak> brandon_: do you have envy installed
[01:57] <gnomefreak> might have a way
[01:57] <brandon_> right now i do
[01:57] <gnomefreak> brandon_: good
[01:57] <|rgunn|> hey all have you experienced greatly increased delays after login to displaying a ready desktop after upgrading to gutsy?
[01:57] <brandon_> yeah i know it has a "remove nvidia driver" option
[01:58] <gnomefreak> brandon_: i heard the maintainer added a way to remove nvidia drivers and kernel modules please look into that (try the website)
[01:58] <gnomefreak> brandon_: but it wont remove the modules
[01:59] <brandon_> i don't understand that
[01:59] <gnomefreak> brandon_: see the website for more info. the easiest messiest way is to reinstall (but you will have better results)
[01:59] <gnomefreak> give me a sec
[01:59] <gnomefreak> NOTE: Envy does NOT REMOVE your RESTRICTED MODULES ANY MORE. Therefore you can use it even if you connect to the Internet through your wireless card.
[02:00] <brandon_> the nvidia driver is in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers is it not?
[02:00] <gnomefreak> that is a hint not to use it
[02:00] <gnomefreak> brandon_: the kernel modules arnt afaik
[02:00] <gnomefreak> screw nvidia modules
[02:00] <gnomefreak> you want the kernel modules
[02:01] <brandon_> well the kernels i was using in feisty aren't here anymore, and i haven't used envy on gutsy
[02:01] <gnomefreak> as we install linux-restricted-modules well using the script installs thier own
[02:01] <gnomefreak> brandon_: the modules not the kernel
[02:01] <aLeSD> how to configure the compiz-fusion effects
[02:01] <aLeSD> '
[02:01] <gnomefreak> WARNING: you will have to remove the driver you installed with Envy before upgrading Debian or Ubuntu to a newer release (e.g. upgrading Ubuntu Edgy to Ubuntu Feisty or Debian Etch to Debian Lenny)
[02:01] <aLeSD> ?
[02:01] <brandon_> what should i look for with the find command?
[02:02] <gnomefreak> ^^^ also for ubuntu versions
[02:02] <fluffles> hi people, trying to use Remote Desktop on 7.10, but it seems it listens only on IPv6 ("tcp6" in netstat) and not on IPv4 ("tcp"). is this a firewall issue or what?
[02:02] <gnomefreak> nvidia-kernel-modules nvidia-resticted-modules im not sure i never used it
[02:03] <gnomefreak> brandon_: last time i used upstream drivers was dapper devel period give or take
[02:03] <gnomefreak> fluffles: are you on ipv6 bychance?
[02:03] <brandon_> oh, it's no problem to remove those packages
[02:04] <gnomefreak> brandon_: keep looking i dont remember the name of them
[02:04] <fluffles> gnomefreak: it shows an IPv6 listening socket, but the rest of my network is IPv4, including the DHCP server
[02:04] <gnomefreak> fluffles: ok you said you were not on ipv4 thats why i asled
[02:04] <fluffles> i've searched google on this, some think its a firewall issue
[02:04] <gnomefreak> asked
[02:04] <fluffles> though my iptables appear empty (though the command responds)
[02:05] <gnomefreak> brandon_: how did you upgrade
[02:06] <threethirty> is there a way to add more virtual desktops, two just isn't cutting it
[02:06] <brandon_> you mean from feisty to gutsy?
[02:06] <gnomefreak> theyes look in compiz configure
[02:06] <threethirty> gutsy
[02:07] <gnomefreak> brandon_: i mean with sudo apt-get dist-upgrade or gksudo update-manager -d
[02:07] <brandon_> upgrade and dist-upgrade both after altering sources.list to gutsy repos
[02:07] <gnomefreak> this is more important than you can imagine
[02:07] <gnomefreak> brandon_: :(
[02:08] <gnomefreak> i put all this time into getting update-manager to do the work for everyone and noone reads the docs on how to upgrade
[02:08] <gunny> threethirty: compiz config manager general options , desktop size??
[02:08] <jmg> gnomefreak: i thought it only did it when the new release was out
[02:08] <brandon_> gnomefreak: i also run updatemanager -c -d every day
[02:08] <gnomefreak> brandon_: can you post the 3 files in /var/log/dist-upgrade
[02:08] <gunny> gnomefreak: thats if your using compiz
[02:08] <gnomefreak> jmg: no -d is developemnt
[02:09] <gnomefreak> gunny: if not its still in gconf
[02:09] <gnomefreak> gconf-editor
[02:09] <gnomefreak> either way
[02:09] <gunny> threethirty: soz wrong target
[02:10] <gnomefreak> brandon_: nevermind i already have them for mvo
[02:10] <threethirty> gunny: im using the compiz manager that comes default, i should have said that before
[02:11] <gnomefreak> brandon_: if you dont need linux-restricted-modules to stay connected try to remove them see if it gets rid of nvidias also. there is a risky way that might just work
[02:12] <brandon_> unfortunately i use an atheros based wifi card
[02:12] <gunny> threethirty: so you need to install compizconfig-settings-manager
[02:12] <gnomefreak> brandon_: if feeling risky download upstream drivers and run them once they built nad replace the other ones run the uninstaller (read docs first)
[02:12] <gnomefreak> brandon_: ^^^ should help
[02:13] <gnomefreak> but risky as in if you dont read docs your in same state or worse if you read docs it still may not work like a charm but it should work
[02:13] <threethirty> gunny: the last time i did that I had to reinstall, some plug-in when crazy and was locking my system up, so i guess i8m going to have to deal with two
[02:13] <gunny> threethirty: that will become available under System/Prefs/Advanced Desktop Effects
[02:13] <gnomefreak> ill bbl
[02:13] <gunny> threethirty: works ok for me fingers crossed
[02:14] <brandon_> gnomefreak: how do you mean 'upstream drivers'?
[02:14] <threethirty> gunny: mine we crossed when i installed it, i really just wanted the fish in the cube
[02:15] <gnomefreak> nvidia.com
[02:16] <brandon_> gnomefreak: no, i'm staying with what's in the repos
[02:16] <gnomefreak> brandon_: no your not
[02:16] <kitche> threethirty: that is aquarium or something like that
[02:17] <gnomefreak> brandon_: it errors you need to remove the damn modules installing upstream drivers atleast they allow you to remove the modules
[02:17] <gnomefreak> than your all fixed :)
[02:17] <threethirty> kitche: i couldn't keep the system running long enough to find it
[02:18] <gnomefreak> but do as you wish just keep in mind ubuntu does not support envy nor nvidia.com drivers so your problem is not ubuntu related get intouch with the envy maintainer and ask him how to remove them
[02:19] <gnomefreak> good night
[02:21] <databuddy> next gen ipod help plz...
[02:22] <kitche> databuddy: good luck with getting it to work don't think programs can really use the new ipods yet
[02:23] <gunny> threethirty: i dont think that plugin (aquarium) is included by default
[02:37] <josh__> !ntfs
[02:37] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> ok... the fglrx driver made my computer uncapable of suspending.
[02:38] <josh__> hey, whats up with the ntfs support in 7.10?
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> and ideas on how to fix it/see exactly what is wrong?
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> josh__: I hear there is full r/w support
[02:38] <josh__> interesting...
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> yalp
[02:41] <bkudria> i have a strange problem - none of my KDE apps can access anything over http:// .  firefox works fine, and ftp:// in konqueror works well also, just http (and https).  what might be wrong?  i'm running the latest gutsy...
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> bkudria: your netowork manager is telling all KDE apps that you do not have internet access
[02:44] <bkudria> nosrednaekim: really?  ftp access works fine...
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> bkudria: odd...
[02:45] <bkudria> yes, very, but it seems you're right!  killing knetworkmanager makes everything work
[02:45] <bkudria> thank you thank you!
[02:46] <bkudria> i spent very much time with this problem
[02:46] <bkudria> i guess it only restricts http and not anything else
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> I guess os.
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> *so
[02:47] <bkudria> i guess i'll try to get knetwork manager to work, but it's alwas been a bit quirky for me
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> bkudria: do you have wireless?
[02:47] <bkudria> yes
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> ah ok... otherwise its not neccesary
[02:47] <bkudria> but even with a wired connection it shows me as disconnected
[02:47] <bkudria> how would i go about resetting the config and letting it rediscover everything?
[02:48] <bkudria> hmm, started it again, but everything still works
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> bkudria: thats good. there is a way to tell all kde apps to ignore it, but I forget how.
[02:49] <bkudria> ok, thanks, i'll keep playing with it
[02:50] <bkudria> thanks a lot!
[02:51] <CarlFK> is the feisty installation-guide-i386 somewhere online?
[02:53] <pvh> I've just installed a fresh Gutsy on my laptop and I'd like to get the external monitors working.
[02:54] <CarlFK> oh yeah, gutsy installation-guide-i386
[02:54] <pvh> I've taken a look at some of the discussion out there and it looks like xRandR might be a good way to go for me. Am I barking up the right tree?
[02:54] <CarlFK> pvh: I think that is vid card dependent
[02:54] <pvh> Oh, my graphics card is an ATI Radeon X1600 Mobility.
[02:55] <CarlFK> I know for nvidia I had to use the binary driver
[02:56] <CarlFK> but I haven't looked at that in over a year, so maybe the stock drivers will do it
[03:06] <TQuid> Anyone else noticing that google toolbar's bookmarks doesn't work? is this specific to gutsy or should I go yell at google?
[03:07] <nomasteryoda> ewww,  you use that thing?
[03:07] <nomasteryoda> jk
[03:07] <nomasteryoda> have not tried it
[03:08] <PirateHead> I'm having trouble with X on my Gutsy install. When it tries to start, it just sits there and displays abolsutely nothing to the screen. As in, the screen is black as if the computer were turned off. Anybody got a suggestion?
[03:08] <TQuid> The central bookmark storage is handy for me.  I hang my head in shame.
[03:08] <gunny> anyone experiencing much longer delay after login to having the desktop ready after upgrade from fesity to gutsy?
[03:08] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:08] <TQuid> PirateHead, try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm (or kdm) stop and then run startx from a console, see what it says.
[03:09] <TQuid> gunny, I had been but it got faster again last night after an update.
[03:09] <TQuid> Oh, wait, i'm not an upgrader, installed gutsy to begin with. Nevermind.
[03:09] <gunny> TQuid: mine is so much slower than it was under feisty
[03:09] <nomasteryoda> i use google's iGoogle
[03:09] <TQuid> Oh boy! New kernel image!
[03:09] <nomasteryoda> ya joy!
[03:09] <PirateHead> TQuid: startx does not say anything. It simply goes black.
[03:10] <TQuid> OK, now do ctl-alt-backspace and you should have some goo in your console.
[03:10] <gunny> TQuid: and I ave upgraded everything
[03:10] <nomasteryoda> PirateHead, ubuntu or kubuntu?
[03:10] <nomasteryoda> PirateHead, try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart for kubuntu or gdm for ubuntu
[03:10] <PirateHead> TQuid: I can still use CTRL+ALT+F# to switch to a different terminal, though. This is on Ubuntu Gusty Beta.
[03:11] <pvh> CarlFK: so should xrandr let me enable and disable screens?
[03:11] <nomasteryoda> then use gdm
[03:11] <Xero> s/Gusty/Gutsy
[03:11] <PirateHead> I did use gdm.
[03:11] <Laibsch> The latest update crashed and upon reboot I am stuck with some dpkg trouble: http://rafb.net/p/nWavKO47.html
[03:11] <PirateHead> Then I tried startx. Then it did the same thing again.
[03:11] <Laibsch> Anybody know how to fix this?
[03:11] <Laibsch> dpkg --configure -a does nothing
[03:12] <nomasteryoda> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:12] <Laibsch> Any of the other tricks don't seem to do the magic either.
[03:12] <Laibsch> nomasteryoda: So the line just above yours
[03:12] <Laibsch> nomasteryoda: See the line just above yours
[03:12] <nomasteryoda> k
[03:13] <nomasteryoda> PirateHead, you did "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"?
[03:13] <PirateHead> nomasteryoda: correct.
[03:13] <nomasteryoda> ok, so PirateHead you have an nvidia video card?
[03:14] <PirateHead> As a side note, I'm using KDE on SUSE currently so I don't expect you to be able to answer this, but how to you shutdown SKIM?
[03:14] <PirateHead> How do I tell which video card I have?
[03:14] <nomasteryoda> how about killall -9 SKIM?
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> PirateHead: "lspci"
[03:14] <nomasteryoda> lspci
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> WOW! gutsy improved my audio quality by leaps and bounds!!
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> WOWWWW!!!
[03:15] <PirateHead> lspci isn't available on SUSE, so I don't know.
[03:15] <nomasteryoda> super
[03:15] <nomasteryoda> err yes it is
[03:15] <nomasteryoda> su /sbin/lspci should run it
[03:15] <PirateHead> ah. It just didn't do it when I typed lspci and nothign else
[03:15] <nomasteryoda> it does i mean .... unless they just dropped it in past month
[03:16] <nomasteryoda> ya
[03:16] <TQuid> Time to reboot into new kernel. If I don't come back, tell mom I love her.
[03:16] <nomasteryoda> they went the evil route of protecting the user from sbins
[03:17] <yell0w> hey guys, i'm running a compaq with ati x200 fglrx on gutsy. how should i get the function key to switch to external display ?
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> yell0w: that doesn't work for me either.... I don't think the function switch works in Linux
[03:18] <EminX> can somebody help me about 3d desktop
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> EminX: #ubuntu-effects
[03:18] <EminX> Ubuntu 7.10
[03:18] <erichj> his is a gutsy issue though
[03:18] <nomasteryoda> what video card EminX ?
[03:18] <yell0w> nosrednaekim, it works for print , lock screen, suspend, brightness , etc...
[03:19] <EminX> nomasteryoda: nVidia 64mb
[03:19] <yell0w> just not for exporting to another monitor
[03:19] <yell0w> :/
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> yell0w: hmmm.
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> yell0w: hot plug doesn't work anyway...
[03:19] <EminX> I think it's enough for these effects
[03:19] <EminX> 768ddr
[03:19] <yell0w> nosrednaekim, is there something that works ?
[03:20] <EminX> nosrednaekim: I was in #ubuntu, they noticed me to com here, now you are telling me to go #ubuntu-effects
[03:20] <erichj> EminX, what model though, tnt2, geforce 2..mx?
[03:21] <EminX> erichj: ge force 4
[03:21] <EminX> I think there are enough hardware recourse for that effect
[03:21] <erichj> EminX, check your xorg.conf file and tell me what driver you are using
[03:22] <nomasteryoda> EminX, that should be the nvidia-glx drivers if I'm not mistaken
[03:22] <nomasteryoda> ods are it shows.... "nv"
[03:22] <erichj> hmm
[03:22] <EminX> erichj: the drivers just have been updated, before 2 min
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> EminX: thats correct ;)
[03:23] <erichj> then perhaps he needs to run dpkg reconfigure?
[03:23] <erichj> for x
[03:24] <EminX> nosrednaekim: any idea, in #ubuntu-effects it looks everyone is sleeping
[03:24] <EminX> are*
[03:25] <erichj> is
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> EminX: alright... then you need nvidia-glx
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> EminX: restart, and on login, run "compiz --replace"
[03:28] <EminX> nosrednaekim: how can i see exactly what drivers i have installed in vga
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> in vga?
[03:29] <nosrednaekim> EminX: do you mean which ones you are running?
[03:29] <EminX> nosrednaekim: I just want let you know that, some effects just started working, as you know when you draging any window
[03:29] <EminX> yes
[03:29] <EminX> nosrednaekim: yes which
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> EminX: oh... ok, now just go get compiz-config-settings-manager
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> and turn them all on ;)
[03:30] <erichj> system->admin->screens and graphics
[03:30] <erichj> then click driver
[03:30] <erichj> graphics card
[03:30] <erichj> sorry
[03:30] <EminX> erichj: ok
[03:31] <erichj> and the driver box will tell you what is currently running
[03:31] <EminX> erichj: it looks like that
[03:32] <EminX> erichj: when I click on nVidia
[03:32] <erichj> the driver just says nVidia?
[03:33] <EminX> it's selected : Choose driver by model: , then there is NVIDIA selected, and Ge force 4
[03:33] <EminX> erichj: (generic)
[03:34] <EminX> nosrednaekim: can you repeat please
[03:34] <EminX> erichj: can I choose driver by name, is there any risk
[03:34] <erichj> ok, open a terminal and type sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[03:35] <crdlb> erichj, doesn't support his card
[03:35] <crdlb> don't do that
[03:35] <nomasteryoda> right like i said ... nvidia-glx
[03:35] <erichj> hold on...geforce 4? right?
[03:36] <EminX> erichj: yes
[03:36] <erichj> ok, open a terminal and type sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:36] <crdlb> EminX, glxinfo|grep direct
[03:36] <EminX> ok
[03:37] <erichj> possibly need legacy, looking at my mp3 server to see what it's running. i know the geforce 4 in there runs compiz just fine in gutsy
[03:37] <EminX> erichj: nvidia-glx is already the newest version.
[03:37] <EminX> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 208 not upgraded.
[03:37] <crdlb> no he doesn't need legacy
[03:37] <crdlb> EminX, glxinfo|grep direct
[03:38] <EminX> crdlb: ok
[03:38] <EminX> crdlb: direct rendering: Yes
[03:39] <agroker_> after upgrade I have troubles with my X session - none of the WM can survive, except safe terminal, my .xsession_errors says something about improper usage of the gtk+ (I use flgrx with Radeon X1300 btw)
[03:39] <crdlb> then the problem is not with your driver
[03:39] <erichj> should be working
[03:39] <crdlb> what exactly doesn't work?
[03:40] <EminX> desk 3d effect
[03:40] <erichj> ....the cube?
[03:40] <RobertStuffers> is this ubuntu oficial channel ?
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> RobertStuffers: for gutsy, yes
[03:40] <erichj> RobertStuffers, for gutsy beta, #ubutnu is official
[03:41] <EminX> erichj: yes the cube
[03:41] <erichj> #ubuntu
[03:41] <RobertStuffers> whats gutsy means ?
[03:41] <erichj> yeah, thats under custom and you need the compiz manager for that
[03:41] <erichj> it's not enabled by default, window slide is
[03:42] <RobertStuffers> i had lots of trojan in my xp im willing to take the plunge
[03:42] <EminX> erichj: yes window slide is
[03:42] <erichj> gutsy is the release name for the next version of ubuntu
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> RobertStuffers: gutsy is the development version... slightly unstable
[03:42] <EminX> erichj: compiz manager ?
[03:42] <RobertStuffers> is there anti trojan soft for gutsy ?
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> !virus | RobertStuffers
[03:42] <ubotu> RobertStuffers: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[03:43] <erichj> sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:43] <EminX> erichj: ok
[03:43] <erichj> once it installs you will find it under system->prefs
[03:44] <erichj> wait i might have made a mistake
[03:45] <erichj> you might want gnome-compiz-manager
[03:45] <EminX> erichj:E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:45] <erichj> sudo dpkg configure -a
[03:45] <crdlb> err no
[03:45] <crdlb> close synaptic
[03:45] <erichj> wait
[03:45] <erichj> yeah
[03:45] <RobertStuffers> hey what if i install 3th party programs on my gutsy setup ?
[03:45] <crdlb> and you don't want gnome-compiz-manager
[03:45] <RobertStuffers> that could install vermin too ?
[03:46] <EminX> erichj: I'm waiting
[03:46] <erichj> did you close synaptic?
[03:46] <crdlb> EminX, for what?
[03:46] <nosrednaekim> RobertStuffers: possibly...
[03:47] <RobertStuffers> so i do need anti spyware stuff
[03:47] <erichj> crdlb does he want compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:47] <EminX> erichj: can you help me on that
[03:47] <crdlb> yes
[03:47] <erichj> k
[03:47] <jmg_> RobertStuffers: or you could just be smart about your 3rd party
[03:47] <erichj> either the synaptic window is open, or the process is running and you need to kill it
[03:48] <EminX> erichj: I can't identify that, can you help me doing that
[03:48] <erichj> system->admin->system monitor
[03:48] <RobertStuffers> how do i secure my gutsy behond any shadow of doubt to be vermin bullet proof ?
[03:48] <erichj> then click process tab
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> EminX: run "sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager"
[03:48] <erichj> nosrednaekim, dpkg is locked
[03:49] <nosrednaekim> !adeptfix
[03:49] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:49] <EminX> erichj: process tab
[03:49] <erichj> already recommended that
[03:49] <EminX> I'm here
[03:49] <erichj> crdlb said no
[03:49] <RobertStuffers> allbert wisestein ?
[03:49] <erichj> look for the synaptic process or the dpkg process
[03:49] <erichj> probably dpkg
[03:49] <crdlb> dpkg --configure -a isn't going to fix this by itself
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> RobertStuffers: don't install anything besides stuff from the official repositories
[03:50] <jmg_> RobertStuffers: dont install 3rd party cruft
[03:50] <RobertStuffers> damn
[03:50] <erichj> once you find the running process, right click on it and select kill process
[03:50] <EminX> there is no dpkg process
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> EminX: is there adept or synaptic?
[03:50] <RobertStuffers> that makes gustsy boring
[03:50] <jmg_> RobertStuffers: you're boring
[03:50] <jmg_> RobertStuffers: you could also install trend for linux
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> RobertStuffers: but there are 22000 packages in the repositories.
[03:50] <EminX> nosrednaekim: no
[03:51] <nomasteryoda> if at last resort, you can do this... "sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock"
[03:51] <jmg_> RobertStuffers: plant.
[03:51] <RobertStuffers> 22000 packages of cruft
[03:51] <erichj> first try sudo dpkg configure -a
[03:51] <nomasteryoda> yes try that first
[03:51] <RobertStuffers> plant ?
[03:51] <EminX> ok
[03:51] <jmg_> you're a plant
[03:52] <RobertStuffers> you are e vermin
[03:52] <jmg_> RobertStuffers: so you shouldnt be taking advice from me. talk to your microsoft partner
[03:52] <EminX> erichj: less or more
[03:53] <EminX> erichj: Options marked [*]  produce a lot of output - pipe it through `less' or `more' !
[03:53] <RobertStuffers> you mean spywaresoft partner ?
[03:53] <erichj> is tee installed by default?
[03:53] <EminX> I don't know
[03:53] <erichj> more
[03:54] <EminX> Options marked [*]  produce a lot of output - pipe it through `less' or `more' !
[03:54] <EminX> usage: more [-dflpcsu]  [+linenum | +/pattern]  name1 name2 ...
[03:54] <RobertStuffers> what use is a os that you cant install 3th party software ?
[03:54] <RobertStuffers> is that trirany or what ?!
[03:54] <erichj> RobertStuffers, all software for linux is third party
[03:54] <usser> so the updates are rolled out on almost daily basis huh?
[03:54] <jmg_> RobertStuffers: you can audit the source code yourself
[03:55] <RobertStuffers> i guess thats why thers lots of difrent packages fro each ditro :D
[03:55] <RobertStuffers> distro
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> isn't this an #off-topic thing?
[03:55] <usser> RobertStuffers: why of course u can
[03:55] <erichj> EminX, try less
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> we're trying to help folks here... not beat down the competition
[03:56] <erichj> no one has to lose for linux to win
[03:56] <RobertStuffers> audit the source code ?
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> exactly erichj
[03:56] <RobertStuffers> i guess i could if i had a master degre in pulling spyware from obfuscated code
[03:57] <Xero> RobertStuffers, Canonical checks the code for spyware.
[03:57] <EminX> erichj: thanks a lot for your help, and just one more question
[03:57] <erichj> you won't find spyware, beauty of open source
[03:57] <Xero> Many people in this very channel audit the code.
[03:57] <erichj> EminX, sure..shoot
[03:57] <Xero> Spyware and virii can't survive on a Linux system becuase of the hostile environment.
[03:57] <RobertStuffers> jmg_: reads all its programs code 3 times before instaling it :D
[03:57] <Xero> !linuxvirus
[03:58] <ubotu> The short life and hard times of a Linux Virus http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[03:58] <EminX> erichj: I'm running now partial upgrade, do you think that can affect anything
[03:58] <Xero> That's why there are no Linux virii/spyware.
[03:58] <usser> wow this todays compiz update made things fly
[03:58] <Xero> usser, it's slightly slower for me.
[03:58] <erichj> EminX, well as gutsy isn't not yet stable...that is a possibilty.
[03:59] <Hobbsee> Xero: canonical?  no.  ubuntu developers - yes.
[03:59] <RobertStuffers> i was trying to get clamav to work in windows and it always faild
[03:59] <RobertStuffers> failed
[03:59] <erichj> RobertStuffers, i was trying to get windows to work for me and it failed
[03:59] <RobertStuffers> does gutsy have that clamav File system ?
[04:00] <nomasteryoda> yea its there
[04:00] <erichj> clamav on linux is there to protect the windows computers on your network
[04:00] <nomasteryoda> antivirus program you mean... and just like erichj said... protect windows system
[04:00] <nomasteryoda> s
[04:00] <RobertStuffers> i dont what to make a network
[04:00] <erichj> well you are a windows user...understandable
[04:00] <RobertStuffers> i want to install softwaere and have fun with it
[04:01] <RobertStuffers> ive used linux before you know
[04:01] <Xero> RobertStuffers, twenty two thousand official packages, and 3rd party source code.
[04:01] <usser> Xero: hm i just had compiz on and just updated and restarted it and its like twice as fast ))
[04:01] <Xero> You'd think you would be happy.
[04:02] <EminX> erichj: you know what's the problem exactly, slide and some other options are working, but cube isn't working, I will try later again, maybe somebody will find a solution, Thank You very much, see you
[04:02] <hydrogen> of course
[04:02] <kitche> usser: compiz with compiz-fusion?
[04:02] <usser> Xero: compiz-fusion
[04:02] <hydrogen> you have to considder that only a smallish subset of those are actually packages
[04:02] <usser> Xero: yea
[04:02] <hydrogen> as ubuntu/debian likes to split packages up
[04:02] <hydrogen> are actually programs*
[04:02] <RobertStuffers> xero 22000 packges of mostlly cruft
[04:02] <EminX> much thanks and for others
[04:03] <Xero> RobertStuffers, tell me what's cruft.
[04:03] <erichj> welcome
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> NP
[04:03] <RobertStuffers> i bet that if you had HDD space tyo install all that linux woulfnt even start
[04:03] <Xero> Most of it is for people who have a different preference from the normal stuff (Firefox package vs Kazehahase package)
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> RobertStuffers: betcha it would.
[04:03] <Xero> !flamer
[04:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flamer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:03] <Xero> crap
[04:04] <Xero> !flame
[04:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flame - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:04] <Xero> Super crap
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> !fire
[04:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fire - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> !caveman
[04:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about caveman - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:04] <Xero> !idiot
[04:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about idiot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:04] <hydrogen> ..
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> he is in the stoneages.
[04:04] <kitche> usser: ah so ok compiz with compiz-fusion yeah I haven't really gotten around to install compiz-fusion addon yet sicne I m still trying to figure out if compiz is worth it or not
[04:04] <Xero> True.
[04:04] <erichj> i know i've gotten over 7000 processes going on my desktop before
[04:04] <RobertStuffers> stop spam
[04:04] <usser> Xero: blazing 200 fps in cube rotation
[04:04] <hydrogen> !spam
[04:04] <ubotu> Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[04:04] <kitche> !msgthebot > Xero
[04:04] <RobertStuffers> or i call the ops on you
[04:05] <RobertStuffers> im robs best friend you know
[04:05] <Xero> Whatever. I was trying to find the thing to scold for flaming.
[04:05] <RobertStuffers> :D
[04:05] <Xero> usser, after restarting Compiz, I get 100FPS in cube rotate.
[04:06] <usser> the problem is the fire doesnt reall *burn* now, the darn thing moves too fast to it looks like bright yellowish glowing
[04:06] <RobertStuffers> whats your GFX crad ?
[04:06] <RobertStuffers> card
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> usser: slow it down..
[04:06] <Xero> Crappy NVidia GeForce4 MX4000, which wouldn't run Vista.
[04:06] <RobertStuffers> 32 megas ?
[04:07] <Xero> 128 megs
[04:07] <RobertStuffers> it would run vista ?
[04:07] <aka_youtube> is totem with gstreamer supposed to work fine?
[04:07] <Xero> It wouldn't.
[04:07] <Xero> Vista sucks anyway :)
[04:07] <nosrednaekim> aka_youtube: I think so.
[04:07] <erichj> my gma950 runs aero
[04:07] <RobertStuffers> havent tryed yet
[04:08] <RobertStuffers> the keygen had some virus atached to it
[04:08] <aka_youtube> nosrednaekim: I keep getting this: "nternal GStreamer error: pad problem.  Please file a bug at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=GStreamer."
[04:08] <usser> nosrednaekim: is that particle slowdown setting??
[04:08] <usser> nosrednaekim: doesnt work
[04:08] <Xero> GMA950 will run anything, just because it's compatible.
[04:08] <RobertStuffers> any one familiar with w32.polip.a ?
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> usser: I think its "animation duration" in the close(or whatever) setting
[04:09] <Xero> RobertStuffers, we don't need to be, because we're not prone to it.
[04:09] <RobertStuffers> what about the windwos machines on your network ?
[04:09] <Xero> I have none.
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> I don't have any
[04:10] <usser> nosrednaekim: nah thats for close im talking about paint fire on the screen plugin
[04:10] <Xero> All Linux. The only Windows machine is the laptop and it doesn't get internet.
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> usser: OHH!! that plugin never worked for me.
[04:10] <RobertStuffers> i bet theres lots of spyware for linux it just hapens the linux devs are better at conceling it
[04:10] <IndyGunFreak> lol, ya
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> RobertStuffers: then go look at the source and find some , ok?
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> RobertStuffers: see ya.
[04:11] <Xero> The kernel is spyware! Oh noes!
[04:11] <RobertStuffers> do you know hoe to read chines ?
[04:11] <Xero> Compiz is spyware!!! OH NOES!!!!!
[04:11] <RobertStuffers> i dont
[04:11] <RobertStuffers> samething with source code
[04:12] <usser> Xero: whats your video card?
[04:12] <nosrednaekim> RobertStuffers: sure I can read source code, and so can THOUSANDS of people like me.
[04:12] <Xero> NVidia Geforce4 MX4000 128MB, usser
[04:12] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: well then
[04:12] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: its up to you
[04:12] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: either you can use a program thats guaranteed to have spyware on windows
[04:12] <usser> Xero: tnx )
[04:12] <RobertStuffers> i could read it too but couldnt understand it
[04:12] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: or you can take the risk on linux
[04:13] <RobertStuffers> at least windows has good antivirus
[04:13] <Xero> At least windows has good viruses.
[04:13] <RobertStuffers> hiding the problem dosent make it go away
[04:13] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: then use windows
[04:14] <Xero> Hiding your face doesn't make it go away, either.
[04:14] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: I don't see what this discussion is about
[04:14] <Xero> hydrogen, neither do i.
[04:14] <hydrogen> Xero: your comments stopped being useful a hell of a long time ago
[04:14] <RobertStuffers> so you are geting personal on this are you Xero?
[04:14] <Xero> RobertStuffers, I was actually just joking, there.
[04:15] <erichj> we need an #ubuntu-flamewars channel
[04:15] <IndyGunFreak> but you don't make much sense
[04:15] <RobertStuffers> beware a could send you spyware
[04:15] <RobertStuffers> :D
[04:15] <RobertStuffers> just has a joke
[04:15] <IndyGunFreak> erichj: lol, i have a feeling that channel woul have to be unfiltered and unmoderated... cuz it would get ugly
[04:15] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: what are you looking for here?
[04:15] <Xero> Go ahead. I'll just rm it.
[04:15] <erichj> IndyGunFreak, yeah
[04:16] <IndyGunFreak> anybody know why gparted won't work w/ gutsy?
[04:16] <RobertStuffers> im not looking for anthing anymore
[04:16] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: okay, then why are you still here?
[04:16] <erichj> beta software....probably being worked on right now
[04:16] <Xero> RobertStuffers, can you do this? Also, I've looked at Compiz source code and it's clean.
[04:17] <Xero> http://flickr.com/xero2007
[04:17] <RobertStuffers> im here because i like it here
[04:17] <RobertStuffers> theres lots of chating going on
[04:17] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: okay, then try to keep the conversation on topic
[04:17] <hydrogen> Xero: you too
[04:17] <Xero> hydrogen, okay.
[04:17] <IndyGunFreak> anyone know wher eyou can download hte gparted source code and compile it.. see if maybe its the version in the repos causing trouble.
[04:18] <Xero> gparted.org, I think.
[04:18] <IndyGunFreak> ya, i found it, they kinda hide the tarballs.
[04:19] <RobertStuffers> i was really trying to get some live distro wuth some good antivrus to scan my windows with out it trying to conceal spywaer on system restore an stuff
[04:19] <h1st0> RobertStuffers: knoppix
[04:19] <h1st0> RobertStuffers: or ubuntu just use clamav
[04:20] <IndyGunFreak> yup, knoppix is what i was gonna suggest to.
[04:20] <RobertStuffers> knoppis has clamav ?
[04:20] <hydrogen> not sure about that
[04:20] <nomasteryoda> yes
[04:20] <nomasteryoda> i think so
[04:20] <erichj> i thinks hirens boot cd is better
[04:20] <RobertStuffers> and ntfs write support
[04:20] <Xero> knoppix makes sure the spyware (if there actually was any) isn't running, so you can rm -rf its directory
[04:20] <nomasteryoda> erichj, EVIL
[04:20] <erichj> haha
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> please done recommend such illegal software in ubuntu channels
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> don't
[04:21] <Xero> hirens is illegal?
[04:21] <RobertStuffers> hirens ?
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> yes
[04:21] <Xero> What does it do?
[04:21] <h1st0> illegal?
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> it is
[04:21] <erichj> it's not illegal if you have licenses for the software
[04:21] <h1st0> What kind of stuff are you smoking
[04:21] <nomasteryoda> but the licenses for the software on that disk are illegal
[04:21] <RobertStuffers> whats hirens ?
[04:22] <hydrogen> it appears that knoppix does have clamav
[04:22] <nomasteryoda> because they are licensed to someone else...
[04:22] <h1st0> hydrogen: just use ubuntu and install it.
[04:22] <RobertStuffers> sound like just the thing i need
[04:22] <hydrogen> h1st0: can you install stuff on the livecd?
[04:22] <Xero> chroot to your install.
[04:22] <h1st0> RobertStuffers: there are plenty of apps availible.  There are system recovery cds etc...  I just use a usb stick with clam and ad aware etc... on it.
[04:22] <h1st0> hydrogen: yes
[04:22] <hydrogen> oh
[04:22] <hydrogen> didn't know that
[04:23] <hydrogen> does it just use a ramdisk?
[04:23] <erichj> the caveman show premiered tonight
[04:23] <IndyGunFreak> hydrogen: yeah, i install stuff on live CD all the time... but i don't usually install it to my hard drive, i just install it(simple things), then when youu restart, its gone.
[04:23] <h1st0> hydrogen: yeap
[04:23] <IndyGunFreak> helps when there's a program on the live cd  you need for some reason...
[04:24] <RobertStuffers> im going with hirens
[04:24] <erichj> booo
[04:24] <RobertStuffers> it dosent have trad markes spyware in ti by anychance ?
[04:24] <hydrogen> it might
[04:24] <erichj> loaded with it
[04:25] <erichj> it also installed microsoft bob
[04:26] <bazhang> and clippy
[04:26] <erichj> and that stupid dog
[04:26] <Xero> I think thats Rover.
[04:26] <jmg_> my name is mike
[04:26] <jmg_> his name is BOB.
[04:26] <Xero> Sleepytime
[04:26] <jmg_> in the darkness of the future past the magician longs to see
[04:27] <jmg_> one chants out between two worlds: fire, walk with me
[04:27] <erichj> he does this cute thing where he grabs the hard drive icons and drags them to the recycle bin
[04:27] <RobertStuffers> and that stupid einstain
[04:27] <hydrogen> topic..
[04:28] <erichj> this channel has a topic?
[04:28] <usser> hydrogen: u efforts are doomed to drown in the deep blue abyss of offtopic
[04:29] <hydrogen> usser: thats not all that likely
[04:29] <IndyGunFreak> well, compiling gparted didn't fix the gparted issue in gutsy
[04:29] <bazhang> the warning at the top of the chat page says 'don't use on production machines', I've found this beta to way more stable than Feisty. Is there anything left to fix?
[04:29] <usser> hydrogen: no im just kidding, are u an op though? )
[04:29] <RobertStuffers> ho my gosh my gutsy is looking so damn fine
[04:30] <usser> bazhang: well my bootsplash screen is distorted with a pretty standard res 1024x768
[04:30] <usser> bazhang: kdmtheme doesnt work properly
[04:30] <RobertStuffers> usser: thats just a thought out bug to make you have somthing to fix
[04:31] <bazhang> usser: right, and I get some weirdness on shutdown, but apart from that, it has been rock solid stable for all of two plus days.
[04:31] <usser> bazhang: mm what else firestarted crashes from time to time for no reason
[04:31] <RobertStuffers> usser: linux dosent really need firewalls
[04:31] <usser> RobertStuffers: ahah
[04:31] <bazhang> firestarter? the firewall, or firecrash, the browser?
[04:31] <RobertStuffers> thats no sptware virus for linux you know ?!
[04:31] <hydrogen> firecrash I'd asusme
[04:31] <usser> RobertStuffers: pfft im not digging through the piles of iptables nonsense
[04:31] <IndyGunFreak> RobertStuffers: i tend to disagree with that, i believe everyone with an always on connection,s hould have a hardware firewall, and flush any software firewalls, which is what i do.
[04:32] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: stop while you're ahead.
[04:32] <usser> bazhang: firestarter the firewall
[04:32] <bazhang> usser: thanks!
[04:32] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: you are obviously not technically savvy enough to keep this discussion correct
[04:32] <usser> also i hate how in kubuntu theres this dolphin manager instead of konqueror
[04:32] <RobertStuffers> ?
[04:32] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: you are confusing a firewall and antivirus
[04:33] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: thats not a good place to start when you begin to preach
[04:33] <RobertStuffers> im just passing on some information some linux users from this IRC network passed onto me
[04:33] <usser> does anyone use kubuntu?
[04:33] <bazhang> usser: I tend to disagree there; I think dolphin is a huge improvement over Konqueror as a file browser.
[04:33] <usser> gutsy?
[04:33] <usser> bazhang: mmm ok how do i do tabs in dolphin, could not find it
[04:33] <bazhang> usser: I'm using Kubuntu gutsy right now.
[04:33] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: you are passing it on after not understanding it fully
[04:34] <bazhang> usser: let me look...
[04:34] <RobertStuffers> knoppix dosent even has firewall
[04:34] <RobertStuffers> ;S
[04:34] <h1st0> Why would you need firewall on a live cd?
[04:34] <hydrogen> you really arn't that good at trolling..
[04:34] <hydrogen> I have to say
[04:34] <usser> bazhang: i hate how dolphin doesnt want to remember that i love address bar and keeps hiding it on every reload
[04:34] <RobertStuffers> i guess thats why some just recommended it to me just now
[04:35] <Hobbsee> usser: you chan change that
[04:35] <RobertStuffers> hydrogen: im just trying not to shouin you out of the 1st place under that category
[04:36] <usser> Hobbsee: oh i can?
[04:36] <bazhang> usser: I'm sorry; I'm using compiz and not sure how to get tabs going--not apparent in the preferences..
[04:36] <Hobbsee> usser: i managed to, so yes
[04:36] <Hobbsee> usser: it's in the preferenes stuff
[04:37] <usser> Hobbsee: right got it, its just that the minute i saw dolphin and could find the tab settings i switched back to konq
[04:37] <usser> Hobbsee: alright is there tabs to?
[04:37] <bazhang> usser: by tabs, do you mean split view? that I can do.
[04:37] <RobertStuffers> dont you just love it how windows firewall says its blocking something from connecting to the internet and lets it connect all the same ?!
[04:37] <extra> Hi, the graphics applet won't do my intel.. I choose intel, click test, and it reverts to vesa
[04:37] <usser> bazhang: no tabs like in firefox or opera or konqueror
[04:37] <extra> any help?
[04:38] <bazhang> usser: you want to use it as a web browser?
[04:38] <hydrogen> RobertStuffers: that still isn't on topic..
[04:38] <Hobbsee> usser: there's a split screen view
[04:38] <usser> bazhang: no, file manager im just used to tabs
[04:38] <Hobbsee> usser: which only works for 2, i know :(
[04:38] <RobertStuffers> theres no microdoft channel on this network !
[04:38] <usser> Hobbsee: see
[04:38] <Hobbsee> RobertStuffers: yes there is.  ##windows.
[04:38] <usser> Hobbsee: i usually have minimum 5 open
[04:38] <RobertStuffers> OMG !
[04:38] <Hobbsee> usser: konq is still there.
[04:39] <RobertStuffers> what happend to #windows ?
[04:39] <Hobbsee> it got forwarded.  and that's still offtopic
[04:39] <usser> Hobbsee: its not default though ) and i could not find the setting for making it so
[04:40] <usser> is dolphin kde invention or just gutsy specific?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> usser: true.  might look at making that the default behaviour, actually
[04:40] <RobertStuffers> Hobbsee: could you please explain me this "forwarding politics" ?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> usser: it's a kde invention - kde4 uses it.
[04:40] <hydrogen> dolphin is a kde app that started off in kde3 but really became big in kde4
[04:40] <Hobbsee> RobertStuffers: channel forwards?  forwards from one channel to another.
[04:40] <Hobbsee> RobertStuffers: please ask in #freenode
[04:41] <hydrogen> gutsy uses the kde3 version as default to get users ready for dolphin in later releases
[04:41] <hydrogen> I believe
[04:41] <Zoiks> have they fixed the 1680 x 1050 resolution problem yet?
[04:41] <Hobbsee> yup
[04:41] <RobertStuffers> why theres no one chating on #freenode ?
[04:41] <hydrogen> they must recognize your nick
[04:41] <hydrogen> i mean
[04:41] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[04:41] <usser> hydrogen: oh so its bound to change where do i send complaints? ))) jk
[04:41] <IndyGunFreak> its a conspiracy, they all have you on ignore.. i'm there now and its quite lively
[04:41] <Hobbsee> RobertStuffers: because timezones exist.
[04:41] <nomasteryoda> RobertStuffers, cause they're all on #ubuntu ... hehe
[04:41] <nomasteryoda> not on the net
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> =D
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> jk
[04:42] <RobertStuffers> is it true that you cant use oficial nvidas drivers with ubuntu ?
[04:42] <usser> omg is he a bot or what?
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> RobertStuffers, if it exists, you can
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> takes work
[04:42] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[04:42] <Hobbsee> !nvidia
[04:42] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:42] <RobertStuffers> but its 2th party
[04:42] <RobertStuffers> its not open source !
[04:42] <Hobbsee> RobertStuffers: well, duh.
[04:43] <hydrogen> Hobbsee: its a brickwall cause
[04:43] <Zoiks> 2 questions about gutsy
[04:43] <usser> shoot
[04:43] <IndyGunFreak> BANG!
[04:43] <hydrogen> Hobbsee: read the buffer if you want some history
[04:43] <Hobbsee> RobertStuffers: that wont stop you - but it would be pointless to write bugs about it to the ubuntu people.
[04:43] <usser> DEAD
[04:43] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[04:43] <nomasteryoda> think its time he takes a ride down the bittube?
[04:43] <usser> hehe
[04:43] <Zoiks> 1. how hard is it to run a vpc with windows on it? and what sort of performance penalty is there?
[04:43] <nomasteryoda> router-rooter... internet & tube service
[04:44] <Zoiks> 2. i have an nvidia card but cant set 1680 x 1050 as my res... when will they fix this?
[04:44] <IndyGunFreak> Zoiks: it ran awful for me... i only need XP for my GPS device, and i found it either to just have a 15gig xP partition, and when i have to deal with my GPS, i boot it.
[04:44] <RobertStuffers> im really afraid to use linux now that they figured out how to write to ntfs !
[04:44] <nosrednaekim> Zoiks: VPC?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> RobertStuffers: dude...offtopic
[04:44] <nosrednaekim> Zoiks: you mean a virtual machine?
[04:44] <IndyGunFreak> nosrednaekim: i tok that to mean virtual machine.
[04:44] <Zoiks> yeah
[04:44] <frostburn> IndyGunFreak, can you use a vm instead of a separate partition
[04:44] <Zoiks> sorry nosrednaekim
[04:44] <nosrednaekim> Zoiks: how much RAM do you have?
[04:44] <IndyGunFreak> frostburn: that was what i tried, i figured thats what he was asking about.
[04:44] <nomasteryoda> good
[04:44] <usser> Zoiks: running vmware on amd64 this very moment not very hard
[04:45] <nomasteryoda> riddance
[04:45] <Zoiks> 1.5gb nosrednaekim
[04:45] <usser> Zoiks: that should be enough for xp
[04:45] <Zoiks> i have an opteron 165
[04:45] <IndyGunFreak> usser: it wasn'[t hard to setup, just performance was awful
[04:45] <Zoiks> but run i386 linux because of compatability issues of x64 linux
[04:46] <nosrednaekim> Zoiks: yeah... give XP 512 and you should be good.
[04:46] <usser> Xero: that docker on your pictures is it 3d?
[04:46] <IndyGunFreak> Zoiks: same here, i tried it with feisty and XP in VM, and it was horrible.
[04:46] <usser> Xero: what is it like kibadock?
[04:46] <nosrednaekim> Zoiks: performace difference is not that bad,
[04:46] <usser> Zoiks: well not really the only thing i found not working is the latest java
[04:46] <frostburn> windows flp is good for vms as well, no cruft
[04:46] <Zoiks> i guess its just a give it a go and see situation
[04:47] <usser> Zoiks: i have 1.4 which works pretty well
[04:47] <IndyGunFreak> nosrednaekim: i gave XP 512, even 712, and it was bad for me, his mileage will vary of course, but it was bad enough i just decided to start dual booting again
[04:47] <nosrednaekim> IndyGunFreak: whats your processor?
[04:48] <nosrednaekim> here on a Turion X2 it was close to equal
[04:48] <Zoiks> usser: so things have really come along since edgy in the way of amd64 support?
[04:48] <IndyGunFreak> 2.4ghz AMD, 1gig of ram, 512mb Video card
[04:48] <hydrogen> I gave xp in virtualbox a gig of memory
[04:48] <nosrednaekim> hmmm
[04:48] <hydrogen> and it tends to work
[04:48] <hydrogen> but its greedy like that
[04:48] <hydrogen> :/
[04:48] <IndyGunFreak> hydrogen: well, i considered that, but i was pretty disappointed with it, and finally said screw it, and reinstalled Windows to a 15-20gig partition
[04:49] <erichj> is crossfire support coming to linux now that amd is open sourcing everything?
[04:49] <nosrednaekim> erichj: not sure.
[04:49] <Zoiks> oh heres a question: if I am running a softraid in ubuntu, and then run a vm of windows
[04:49] <Zoiks> will windows show the raid?
[04:49] <IndyGunFreak> i did run a few Linux OS's in VM though, and all but mandriva seemed to run fine... MintLinux, PcLinuxOS, OpenSuse, and Slack
[04:49] <hydrogen> IndyGunFreak: because most of what I need windows for is playing online streams//viewing websites that only work in internet explorer, I never want to reboot just to do it
[04:50] <IndyGunFreak> hydrogen: yeah, i can understand that./
[04:50] <mikubuntu> anyone yet have a fix for tis double screen, two cursors, all messed up rendering problem ???
[04:50] <erichj> Zoiks, that is hit or miss. like in vmware i dont have network access but in vbox i do
[04:50] <IndyGunFreak> double screen?... are you running dual monitors?
[04:50] <nosrednaekim> hydrogen: does ie4linux work?
[04:50] <usser> Zoiks: yea pretty much, i mean i still have to run 32bit flash via nspluginwrapper and 32bit google earth, but theres a great tool for getting missing 32bit dependency libs getlibs
[04:50] <hydrogen> nosrednaekim: no idea :)
[04:51] <usser> Zoiks: which u just point to 32bit executable and it fetches all that is neccessary for it to run
[04:51] <nosrednaekim> hydrogen: I'd try it..
[04:51] <Zoiks> erichj: so there are multiple virtulisation tools i can use?
[04:51] <mikubuntu> IndyGunFreak: no, but my screen is split up something awful... is it possible to place a screenshot in the pastebin to show you?
[04:51] <hydrogen> nosrednaekim: theres still all of the embedded windows media streams
[04:51] <erichj> Zoiks, absolutely
[04:51] <nosrednaekim> hydrogen: ah... true
[04:51] <bazhang> zoiks: you should try virtualbox
[04:52] <Zoiks> usser: might give amd64 a go again in 8.04
[04:52] <Jordan_U> mikubuntu, You could use flickr or imageshack
[04:52] <IndyGunFreak> mikubuntu: i don't think you can pastebi a jpg.. maybe put it on imageshak or photobucket.
[04:52] <usser> Zoiks: )
[04:52] <erichj> Zoiks, vbox is the best choice in my experience. others in here might have a different opinion though
[04:52] <Zoiks> ok, ill give them a go when I get gutsy installed, just on the live cd atm
[04:52] <mikubuntu> hmmmm... let me check out flicker then
[04:53] <Zoiks> the other question was about 1680x1050 res with nvidia card
[04:53] <Zoiks> i couldnt set it when i installed gutsy
[04:53] <Zoiks> have they fixed/are they fixing that?
[04:53] <frostburn> Zoiks, me too
[04:53] <Jordan_U> Zoiks, Did you use restricted manager to install the nvidia drivers?
[04:53] <frostburn> yes
[04:53] <erichj> add it to xorg
[04:53] <Zoiks> yeah i did
[04:53] <Zoiks> tried that too erichj
[04:53] <frostburn> i did add it, but most users wont know what to do
[04:54] <erichj> hmmm
[04:54] <frostburn> Zoiks, remove the virtual desktop line
[04:54] <Zoiks> just did not like it at all
[04:54] <Jordan_U> Zoiks, And you tried System -> Administration -> Screens and Graphics?
[04:54] <Zoiks> yes Jordan_U
[04:54] <Zoiks> ok... im just formatting drives now because I bought 2x500gb drives
[04:54] <Zoiks> so when I install gutsy again ill give it another go
[04:55] <erichj> just remember, this is a beta. final will be a bit more polished
[04:55] <Zoiks> how much harder is it to install ubuntu via the alternate cd?
[04:55] <Zoiks> erichj: yeah i know :)
[04:55] <erichj> so expect issues and don't let them deter you
[04:56] <Jordan_U> Zoiks, Not much harder, just uglier :)
[04:56] <erichj> i've never had the need for the alt cd install so i wouldn't know
[04:56] <Zoiks> ok, I just need it to get this softraid going
[04:56] <erichj> probably like installing redhat back in the day
[04:56] <m1ke> Does anyone know how to set up xbox 360 controller in gutsy?
[04:56] <frostburn> Zoiks, out of curiosity, why use a softraid?
[04:57] <erichj> holy crap! the sd card reader on my laptop works on gutsy.
[04:57] <erichj> talk about making my day
[04:58] <usser> erichj: ))
[04:58] <usser> overall gutsy is a big step forward
[04:58] <usser> imho
[04:58] <erichj> i have to agree there
[04:59] <bazhang> gutsy recognizes all the buttons on my laptop. incredible.
[04:59] <erichj> my crappy built in webcam works now as well. been waiting since dapper for that
[04:59] <Zoiks> frostburn: because fakeraid support in linux is next to nil and i dont have the money to afford a proper raid card
[05:00] <frostburn> Zoiks, but i mean with 2 hard drives you wont get parity, and you wont get any speed increase
[05:01] <erichj> Zoiks, http://freecycle.org i get so much free hardware from the list for my area it's not even funny. you should look into it. you never know what you might be able to find
[05:01] <jmg_> you get a mirror
[05:01] <frostburn> erichj, oooooh....
[05:01] <macogw> my school says my linux lappy was compromised and is on a botnet and i therefore cannot have internets
[05:01] <extra> anyone else thing gaim/pidgin sucks?
[05:02] <macogw> on windows, yes
[05:02] <macogw> it cant do google talk (always has errors when trying to connect)
[05:02] <frostburn> extra, did you install the extra plugins?
[05:02] <bazhang> macogw: surely they jest
[05:02] <frostburn> macogw, what errors, it's worked flawlessly since day1
[05:02] <extra> I press the up arrow and it doesn't show line history!
[05:02] <frostburn> oh for irc it sucks
[05:02] <extra> frostburn: nah, good?
[05:03] <frostburn> extra, yeah, and you could always write one if something is missing=]
[05:03] <frostburn> extra, pidgin-encryption and pidgin-plugin-pack adds a ton of functionality
[05:04] <Zoiks> frostburn: im using it for irc on the live cd :D
[05:04] <macogw> bazhang: they say i'm on a botnet
[05:04] <erichj> extra, like otr messaging
[05:04] <Zoiks> frostburn: if i get raid 1 at least ill have my data a bit more safer until I figure out how to set up a raid5
[05:05] <bazhang> macogw: on Linux? No XP partition?
[05:06] <erichj> i will say the one nice thing about gutsy is the codec installer for movie player
[05:06] <bazhang> and for music, flash/gnash
[05:07] <mikubuntu> IndyGunFreak: i don't see the same defects on the screenshots as i do on the screen ...http://www.flickr.com/photos/14483391@N03/?saved=1
[05:07] <erichj> this just might kill the need for newbies to try automatix2
[05:07] <frostburn> erichj, except for dvd playback
[05:07] <macogw> frostburn: windows server error 10600 or something like that
[05:07] <macogw> every windows computer ive tried it on, it does that
[05:07] <macogw> bazhang: i told them its linux.  they asked what version. i said ubuntu development and that its as up to date as can be.  they asked when i updated. i said last night.
[05:08] <macogw> bazhang: bah!!!! xp was never booted on this computer by me (gateway must've at some point before i formatted the drive, i suppose)
[05:08] <erichj> frostburn, true. i did say might.
[05:08] <bazhang> macogw: they must be out of their minds!
[05:10] <macogw> yeah
[05:10] <macogw> one of my friends used to work for them
[05:10] <usser> what i really would like to get is a pegasos2 with amiga/morphOS
[05:10] <macogw> he says i mustve managed to set of the IDS
[05:10] <bazhang> unreal.
[05:11] <databuddy> tournament.
[05:11] <extra> erichj: I never understood otr messaging
[05:11] <databuddy> extra its not about actually being off the record
[05:11] <databuddy> it encrypts what you type in and push enter to
[05:11] <databuddy> then it sends to someone
[05:11] <erichj> extra, it's called plausible deniablity
[05:11] <databuddy> but you have to exchange keys and confirm them
[05:12] <extra> how can you plausably deny it?
[05:12] <frostburn> otr?
[05:12] <riotkittie> ls
[05:12] <riotkittie> oops
[05:12] <databuddy> i wouldnt say otr builds plausible denyability
[05:12] <databuddy> just a layer of making it harder to mitm
[05:13] <extra> I heard otr was about plausible deniability elsewhere.
[05:13] <extra> like, you can claim it didn't come from you, somehow
[05:14] <extra> hence "off the record"
[05:14] <frostburn> check out the pidgin encryption, it sounds almost the same thing
[05:14] <erichj> otr prevents forging of messages
[05:14] <frostburn> except it's client-client
[05:14] <frostburn> so does this, as long as you dont accept other keys
[05:15] <erichj> otr keys expire, so accepting won't compromise previous message sessions
[05:15] <extra> erichj: so you make new keys for each message? or each session?
[05:16] <frostburn> erichj, oo there's an otr plugin for pidgin
[05:16] <erichj> per message
[05:17] <erichj> this is what i was looking for. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-the-Record_Messaging
[05:17] <erichj> yeah, i'm right it's per message
[05:18] <extra> hmm. I can see how Bob can't read the message, but everyone still sees the message came from Alice to Bob to Charlie, so I don't see where the plausible denial comes from...
[05:18] <extra> link
[05:21] <extra> ok, so charlie knows it's alice, but alice can always lie and say that charlie is making it up
[05:23] <extra> which is even more the case if one could anonymously drop an otr message at someones front door and run away.  Only charlie could open the package, but after that, anyone can forge alice's message.. or something
[05:25] <erichj> well it could be forged assuming it's using alices key though
[05:26] <extra> FTA: "and after a conversation is complete, anyone is able to forge a message to appear to have come from one of the participants in the conversation,"
[05:26] <extra> I think they mean message, but maybe not
[05:27] <erichj> no they are talking about logs at that point
[05:28] <erichj> otr is encrypted and only displayed in plain text during the session. i think clients even prevent you from exporting otr messages. though i am not sure
[05:29] <extra> right.. it's an after-the-fact plausible deniability kind of thing
[05:30] <erichj> yeah, there is no denying something if the person is watching it in real time. but this prevents a record of the conversation. making it nearly impossible to prove that it took place
[05:31] <erichj> no evidence no crime
[05:33] <extra> well, they mean it in the same sense that one can plausibly deny that we actually had this conversation... with a gpg encrypted conversation, each of our messages would be publicly signed by ourselves, and there's no denying it, where-as with OTR, you have the deniability of this conversation, with the benefit of one-time authentication
[05:34] <extra> er, one-time encryption, to keep the servers out of the convo
[05:36] <extra> anyway, why won't gutsy let me use my intel 965 graphics chip?
[05:37] <Jordan_U> extra, In what way will it not let you use it?
[05:38] <macogw> extra: 3D was disabled in them because um...something about AIGLX, Xv, incompatibility between those 2 and the driver....so no Compiz-Fusion
[05:39] <macogw> you should have just fine 2D though
[05:39] <extra> Jordan_U: well, after I upgraded, gutsy reverted to vesa.. now, when I go into graphics applet, I try to set the driver to i810, click test, screen flickers, green lines show up on the top of the screen, then it flickers back, then the applet's driver change is gone and it's back to vesa.
[05:39] <macogw> extra: that card cant use i810 anyway
[05:39] <databuddy> extra gma x3100 ?
[05:40] <extra> macogw: compiz is disabled, but I should still be able to use the driver right? for 3d games
[05:40] <macogw> it's supposed to use xserver-xorg-video-intel
[05:40] <macogw> no
[05:40] <databuddy> extra i have intel driver working great
[05:40] <macogw> 3D is disabled completely
[05:40] <Jordan_U> extra, Try the "intel" driver
[05:40] <extra> Which intel? I have the 965.. dell 1420n
[05:40] <Jordan_U> extra, That is the name of the driver
[05:41] <macogw> there's a driver that's called intel
[05:41] <Jordan_U> "intel"
[05:41] <macogw> and one called i810
[05:41] <macogw> 810 is only for the old cards
[05:41] <macogw> i965 needs the intel driver
[05:41] <extra> I tried 965 in the graphics applet and got the same thing.. flicker, greep lines at top, flicker back.. back on vesa driver automatically
[05:42] <extra> green
[05:42] <macogw> what is this graphics applet you're talking about?
[05:42] <Jordan_U> extra, Again, please try the driver which is named "intel"
[05:43] <macogw> nevermind found it
[05:43] <Jordan_U> macogw, I think he is referring to System -> Administration -> Screens and Graphics
[05:43] <macogw> it's in the control center
[05:43] <macogw> i didnt see that...
[05:43] <macogw> ok im blind
[05:44] <macogw> im gonna try the intel driver too
[05:44] <crweb> could someone please explain to me why default gutsy install generates a new mac address for my network card every reboot?
[05:44] <macogw> 810's being buggy for me on gutsy
[05:44] <crweb> have users just gone so dumb they can't set their own mac address to match the hardware now?
[05:44] <extra> crap.. says I need to restart X to take effect
[05:44] <macogw> of course
[05:44] <macogw> how else would it do that?
[05:44] <macogw> the drivers load when X starts
[05:45] <macogw> brb
[05:45] <extra> crap.. back in a brb... well, there's a test button.. (mines grayed out now)
[05:46] <Dr_willis> Hmm. does the fancy compiz eye candy work with twinview?
[05:47] <extra> now my resolution is at 640 by 480
[05:47] <Jordan_U> Dr_willis, I don't think so, last I tried ( albeit a long time ago ) you can't have twinview and DRI
[05:48] <Jordan_U> extra, Can you change it with System -> Administration -> Screens and Graphics ?
[05:48] <extra> yea, kinda
[05:49] <extra> ok, lets try this
[05:49] <Dr_willis> Jordan_U,  i had some other issues with twinview when i messed with it last week.. I also noticed that no eyecandy issue. :)
[05:49] <Dr_willis> Your logic makes sence however.
[05:49] <macogw> ok then
[05:49] <jmg_> unlike your english
[05:49] <Dr_willis> my other issues were twinview putting GDM on the wrong monitor. heh.
[05:50] <macogw> i dont see any change really
[05:50] <macogw> 3D seems a bit snappier
[05:50] <macogw> but my dimming is still busted with this driver
[05:50] <extra> hi
[05:51] <extra> who was helping me?
[05:51] <macogw> i was...kinda
[05:51] <macogw> you take quite a while to restart X
[05:51] <Jordan_U> Dr_willis, I don't know why you can't use DRI with twinview though ( if indeed you can't ), I see no reason why multiple screens and DRI would be mutually exclusive
[05:51] <macogw> ive already restarted X, adjusted resolution, and restarted X again
[05:52] <macogw> im gonna go see if my bug was reported yet
[05:52] <macogw> anyone here have i945?
[05:53] <extra> (from macogw)
[05:53] <macogw> hehe
[05:54] <Dr_willis> Hmm   System -> Administration -> Screens and Graphics    dosent even show the 2nd monitor.
[05:55] <Dr_willis>  nvidia-settings shows it.
[05:55] <Lynoure> Does anyone have bug #134476 without using fglrx, except me?
[05:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134476 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Tribe 5: suspend hangs laptop" [High,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134476
[05:56] <Jordan_U> Dr_willis, Which configured the xorg.conf initially?
[05:57] <Dr_willis> the xorg.conf i have. is the default + what changes restricted-manager did (just changed driver to nvidia)
[05:57] <MrDigital1> Evening everybody.  I'm just gonna throw this out there and I'll admit I haven't searched forums yet... I have a Dell Precision 470 with the integrated Intel 1GB adapter and since doing a clean install of gutsy beta I get long delays quite often when I try to browse internet, or even connecting with Pidgin.  I had no such problems with Feisty and was wondering before I started hunting if somebody here already has seen this or
[05:57] <Dr_willis> Woa.. enavbled twinview. and dident have to restart the X server.. how they do that!
[05:57] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:57] <NeoThermic> Is there going to be a major set of changes between now and the 15th? :)
[05:57] <h1st0> not really
[05:58] <h1st0> Its feature freaze so you aren't going to see package versions change other than security and bug fixes.
[05:58] <Dr_willis> Jordan_U,  well twinview I thinkis workign with the compiz stuff.. however right now if i maxize a window - it fills both monitors.
[05:58] <Dr_willis> Thats not now it used to work for me.
[05:59] <NeoThermic> h1st0: I'm just pondering if I should nab the ISO now or in 15 days time
[05:59] <h1st0> NeoThermic: either way it doesn't matter if you nab the iso now and update it will be the same thing.
[05:59] <Jordan_U> Dr_willis, So Compiz does work with twinview ? ( if not entirely properly :)
[05:59] <NeoThermic> h1st0: sounds like a plan
[05:59] <Dr_willis> Jordan_U,  I think its working. :)
[05:59] <NeoThermic> lets fire up wget while I'm in windows :)
[06:00] <Dr_willis> let me restart the X server just to be sure its not some goofup from changing stuff on the fly
[06:00] <Dr_willis> brb.,
[06:00] <joules> so i am relatively pleased with the latest gutsy release but compiz is a little messed up.. and i really dont know which manager to use anyone has a default that has most of everything
[06:01] <jscinoz> What is the max safe temperature for a laptop nvidia GPU
[06:01] <h1st0> NeoThermic: I'm dl'ng now to install to a virtualbox
[06:01] <RAOF> jscinoz: 120 C
[06:01] <NeoThermic> 1.6MB/s. Slow :P
[06:01] <jscinoz> RAOF, so 70C idle is fine?
[06:01] <RAOF> This is a number I've picked out at random :)
[06:01] <frostburn> idle should be 35-45
[06:01] <NeoThermic> it'll take 7 mins at that speed! I want it NOW! </tantrum>
[06:01] <usser> joules: what do u mean like a compiz setup utility?
[06:01] <jscinoz> RAOF, i get 70C idle, and 85-100C load
[06:02] <jscinoz> frostburn, in a laptop though?
[06:02] <frostburn> jscinoz, yes
[06:02] <jscinoz> well shit...
[06:02] <RAOF> jscinoz: If you're concerned, see you laptop manufacturer.
[06:02] <macogw> my bug: bug #148389
[06:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148389 in ubuntu "Intel graphics turn black (kind of) (Gutsy)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/148389
[06:02] <jscinoz> i will
[06:02] <jscinoz> who has dells number :P
[06:02] <NeoThermic> 1-800-DELL?
[06:02] <RAOF> jscinoz: Unless you've done anything crazy like overclock it, it's *entirely* their problem.
[06:02] <usser> hehe
[06:02] <joules> usser: well if you go to synaptic there are tons of packages for compiz.. and add ons and all that .. im trying to find a right fitting one cause most of them have something but not everything
[06:02] <jscinoz> its not overclocked
[06:03] <jscinoz> RAOF, but i know that some other distros have problems with ACPI on certain laptops, and dont run the GPU fan
[06:03] <joules> plus as of now i am supposed to have 4 compiz workspaces and only have 1 even tho compiz says 4
[06:03] <RAOF> jscinoz: Also, 70C on idle shouldn't hurt it.  nvidia-settings default "warn me" level is... 130C, I think.
[06:03] <gunny> joules: compiz config settings - advanced desktop effect settings
[06:03] <jscinoz> RAOF, also sensors-applet reports my fans running at 20k+ RPM >_<
[06:03] <RAOF> jscinoz: :)
[06:03] <riotkittie> uhm. stupid question time. <semi-hides>
[06:03] <jscinoz> fans at 20k+ shouldnt be happening, i think it would have spun itself a hole out of my laptop at that speed >_<
[06:03] <jscinoz> therfore, the i8k module lies
[06:04] <NeoThermic> macogw: I might be able to replicate that bug later on today
[06:04] <Dr_willis> Well... it dose seem that compiz does work with twinview.
[06:04] <Dr_willis> of course for some reason now. gnome is putting the panels on the wrong monitor by default.. and new windows appear on the wrong monitor by default also.
[06:04] <NeoThermic> my laptop has an I965 chipset
[06:04] <jscinoz> Compiz works awesomely with 100.14.19 driver
[06:04] <jmg_> Dr_willis: it will work with twinview but not xinerama
[06:04] <jscinoz> i now run compiz all the time
[06:04] <usser> joules: well i have compiz-fusion-plugins extra, main, compiz-plugins, compiz-gnome, compizconfig-settings-manager
[06:04] <Dr_willis> jmg_,  ahh. Ok.
[06:05] <usser> joules: thats pretty much basic setup well + all the needed dep libs
[06:05] <jscinoz> RAOF, the graphics on my screen getting scrambled and my laptop hanging... is that a symptom of overheating?
[06:05] <usser> joules: ccsm brings up the setup utility
[06:05] <joules> usser: yeah ive been toying around with them but.. eh let me give that combination of things a try
[06:06] <jscinoz> i wish i could have firefox + thunderbird + sunbird+ kompozer in one app, 2007 mozilla suite :P
[06:07] <usser> jscinoz: i hate bloats
[06:07] <RAOF> jscinoz: Could be.
[06:07] <usser> jscinoz: what is the point of this
[06:07] <tonyyarusso> jscinoz: some changes in the way the code works may make that sort of thing possible again easily
[06:07] <tonyyarusso> I think
[06:07] <jscinoz> RAOF, i'll ring dell then and yell at em :P
[06:07] <jscinoz> usser, not sure really :P still would be awesome
[06:08] <jscinoz> also guys
[06:08] <usser> jscinoz: u have nice 4 apps which u launch as needed and suite bleh 200megs bloatware that idles most of the time
[06:08] <jscinoz> firefox takes 800MB ram :P
[06:08] <jscinoz> 300 tabs ftw
[06:08] <jscinoz> 4gb ram = even better
[06:08] <usser> jscinoz: jesus
[06:08] <CountX> OMG
[06:08] <jmg_> jscinoz: masochist!
[06:08] <jscinoz> :P
[06:08] <hydrogen> opera is much better with huge amounts of tabs
[06:08] <hydrogen> I have to say
[06:08] <NeoThermic> 4GB RAM is wasted if you're using a 32bit OS
[06:08] <jscinoz> Is there any way to get a 32bit ubuntu to recognise more than 3.5GB of ram
[06:08] <jscinoz> i know
[06:08] <usser> jscinoz: 300 tabs is there actually a space for dispaying web pages?
[06:08] <jscinoz> but 4gb is the default option on this laptop :P
[06:08] <NeoThermic> no, it's due to the memory mapping
[06:09] <NeoThermic> so you wont' see more than about 3.5GB
[06:09] <jscinoz> yes, i have 2+gb left
[06:09] <jscinoz> aww darn
[06:09] <tonyyarusso> NeoThermic: doesn't have to be - there are ways around it.  planet.ubuntu.com just had an entry about that.
[06:09] <NeoThermic> tonyyarusso: really? I'm surprised. I expected the only way around it to be use a freaking 64bit build like you should ;)
[06:09] <jscinoz> firefox + songbird + thunderbird + eclipse + azureus + kompozer + xchat + pidgin + compiz-fusion = 963MB of ram, still 2+gb left
[06:09] <tonyyarusso> NeoThermic: I don't recall how they did it, but I think it was just a BIOS setting of some sort.
[06:10] <jmg_> songbird?
[06:10] <jscinoz> Tonyyarusso, would you have a link to that articl
[06:10] <tonyyarusso> jscinoz: a sec
[06:10] <jscinoz> jmg_, songbird is a media player based on the mozilla framework
[06:10] <jmg_> ok
[06:10] <jscinoz> theres a deb at www.getdeb.net if you want it
[06:10] <CountX> jscinoz: Zbrush3 50mill poly organic mesh, 4gb ram
[06:10] <NeoThermic> tonyyarusso: ahh, well, if you did a static mapping of hardware IRQs then you might be able to mitigate it away from the RAM, but that'd be hellishly unstable if you did it wrong.
[06:11] <MrDigital1> I'm not sure what's wrong with my PC at work.  I only get 3.2GB and I'm running 64bit.  I'm thinking it's my Mobo though and not my OS... no bios updates address that either. :/
[06:11] <jscinoz> saywhat, countx?
[06:11] <puma> how to play p2p net TV?
[06:11] <CountX> jscinoz: im toping your ram consumption
[06:11] <jscinoz> :P
[06:11] <jscinoz> never used Zbrush
[06:11] <NeoThermic> CountX: I read that as "I'm in your ramz toping them"
[06:11] <jscinoz> lawl
[06:11] <hydrogen> songbird is a horrible concept
[06:11] <CountX> jscinoz: 50 million polygon mesh=4gb full
[06:11] <hydrogen> I have to say
[06:11] <NeoThermic> and imagined a cat sitting on some sticks of RAM. Dam you internet!
[06:11] <jscinoz> I love songbird
[06:12] <usser> MrDigital1: are u sure its 64 bit do uname -m
[06:12] <hydrogen> "lets take a huge bloated unoptimized web framework and build a huge bloated unoptimized music player on top of it"
[06:12] <jscinoz> Hydrogen, songbird's only using 30mb of ram for me
[06:12] <NeoThermic> CountX: also, 50m? what on earth are you doing chucking that about? :P
[06:12] <MrDigital1> usser: I'm 100% sure, but I'm at home not at work.
[06:12] <usser> hydrogen: thats mozilla's motto
[06:12] <CountX> NeoThermic: work
[06:12] <NeoThermic> yes, but 50m? ever heard of reduction? :)
[06:13] <jscinoz> what is zbrush?
[06:13] <CountX> NeoThermic: well yeah but how are you supposed to make a normal map with a low poly model?
[06:13] <NeoThermic> even my most detailed stuff tops out at about 119k
[06:13] <erichj> sunbird sucks too
[06:13] <CountX> NeoThermic: characters?
[06:13] <jscinoz> I found that lightning extension for thunderbird is nice, integrates sunbird in thunderbird
[06:13] <NeoThermic> CountX: the shuttle launch facility
[06:13] <CountX> ive done 1m+ weps
[06:13] <jmg_> NeoThermic: oh hai, i upgraded your ram
[06:13] <jscinoz> pity Lighting caused thunderbird to segfault on startup >_<
[06:14] <NeoThermic> jmg_: ZOMG! :)
[06:14] <CountX> NeoThermic: why would you do that in ZB?
[06:14] <NeoThermic> CountX: lightwave. :)
[06:14] <jscinoz> man i really need to nuke my vista partition, wasting 60gb
[06:14] <NeoThermic> http://www.neothermic.com/testing/NightSetup.png / http://www.neothermic.com/testing/shuttleabove.jpg
[06:14] <CountX> NeoThermic: eww
[06:14] <NeoThermic> I did that when I was bored. :P
[06:15] <CountX> jscinoz: you have vista?
[06:15] <puma> who knows to play p2p net TV?
[06:15] <jscinoz> Countx, acme with the laptop >_<
[06:15] <CountX> jscinoz: you bought it????, isnt it like 300$??
[06:15] <jscinoz> nah came with it
[06:15] <CountX> oh...
[06:15] <NeoThermic> jscinoz: From orbit. It's the only way to be sure!
[06:15] <jscinoz> havn't gotten around to nuking it yet
[06:15] <CountX> my computer came with 3ds max 9 64bit
[06:15] <jscinoz> What is this Zbrush program you're talking about?
[06:15] <CountX> !zbrush
[06:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about zbrush - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:15] <jscinoz> 3d rendering thing?
[06:15] <CountX> poo
[06:16] <NeoThermic> CountX: Nice. I'm using Lightwave 7.5 because I'm a poor student and the uni won't give me a licence for it :P
[06:16] <macogw> ah joules is gone
[06:16] <NeoThermic> (it being the latest 9.5 build)
[06:16] <macogw> i had an answer for him
[06:16] <jscinoz> NeoThermic, get the bittorrent edition :P
[06:16] <CountX> NeoThermic: work pays for everything
[06:16] <macogw> my interwebs were lost
[06:16] <NeoThermic> jscinoz: I'm too honest. Hell, I've had legit versions of photoshop since 7. :P
[06:16] <jscinoz> Adobe CS3 Master Suite - BitTorrent Edition!
[06:16] <CountX> dont uni's cap bittorrent, or ratehr , try to cap bt?
[06:17] <jscinoz> SSH ftw :P
[06:17] <NeoThermic> I'm not on my uni network :D
[06:17] <CountX> ah
[06:17] <jscinoz> use it to get around proxy at school
[06:17] <hydrogen> student editions++
[06:17] <erichj> i heard microsoft is so desperate to get people to use vista that they signed a deal with general mills to include an oem cd in every box of trix
[06:17] <jscinoz> SSH tunnel = bittorrent ftw
[06:17] <NeoThermic> I'm at my flat, where my internet is 24Mb :D
[06:17] <CountX> 3ds max 9 is 3000$
[06:17] <jscinoz> rofl erichj
[06:17] <hydrogen> 2100 less for the student edition of vectorworks than the full edition
[06:17] <hydrogen> better believe i'm a student!
[06:17] <mikubuntu> http://flickr.com/photos/14483391@N03/?saved=1 please see 'image 116' to see the problem i'm having with double panels and cursors showing on my screen... i had to take a pic with my phone to illustrate, because when i take a screenshot on the computer, it looks normal, but note the problem now in this image.  anyone else having this problem???
[06:17] <jscinoz> IMO any company that charges 1000+ for software deserves to have it stolen
[06:17] <hydrogen> jscinoz: I disagree
[06:17] <jscinoz> apparently you can get MS office ultimate for $70 if you are a student
[06:18] <jscinoz> but OOO > MS office anyday
[06:18] <jscinoz> brb phone ringing
[06:18] <CountX> well when people pay for your software, i dont give a flying F@!#
[06:18] <CountX> jscinoz: agreed
[06:18] <erichj> i still prefer ms office over oo.org
[06:18] <hydrogen> jscinoz: if you are using this software professionally.. and making a profit off of it, a thousand dollars isn't that much for something that will give you a lot of aid
[06:18] <CountX> erichj: somehting is wrong with you
[06:19] <hydrogen> OOo still has a good ways to go
[06:19] <hydrogen> before it can replace MSOffice everywhere
[06:19] <CountX> i like it
[06:19] <macogw> erichj: it doesnt handle layout too great....the frames thing on OOo is definitely better
[06:19] <CountX> i dont work in an office or anything so it suits me
[06:19] <hydrogen> I've never had luck with oospread
[06:19] <CountX> i dont have to give presentations and shit like that
[06:19] <macogw> OOo needs to allow finer-tuning of placement though...not sure how MS Office does on that anyway though
[06:19] <hydrogen> it tends to do all sorts of things unpredictably
[06:19] <MrDigital1> mikubuntu: that's messed up.  Have you tried turning off desktop effects?
[06:19] <erichj> CountX, i paid like $300 a few years ago because i needed it for work. after paying that much i am not ready to abandon it while it is still useful
[06:19] <macogw> hydrogen: maybe because you're using the wrong command?  it's oocalc
[06:19] <hydrogen> macogw: I havn't used it in a while
[06:20] <hydrogen> macogw: you knew what I emant
[06:20] <jscinoz> We need FOSS to take over all software
[06:20] <hydrogen> macogw: so semantics are pretty useless
[06:20] <hydrogen> I was thinking of kspread
[06:20] <CountX> free open source software?
[06:20] <hydrogen> jscinoz: theres a lot to happen before that does
[06:20] <mikubuntu> MrDigital1: desktop effects NOT ON .. :(
[06:20] <hydrogen> There is still no open source CAD program worth looking at
[06:20] <CountX> hey hey, guess what y'all
[06:20] <NeoThermic> as a student, Lightwave 9.3 is 129
[06:21] <MrDigital1> mikubuntu: sorry, that's really strange.  Hopefully somebody more knowledgeable can help.
[06:21] <CountX> i finished halo last night
[06:21] <MrDigital1> I see I'm immortalized in your screenshot though :P
[06:21] <jscinoz> apparently compiz 0.60 is out...
[06:21] <erichj> i believe i read a quote once from adobe's president saying something to the effect that they keep raising their prices because their customers will pay whatever they ask.
[06:22] <usser> jscinoz: today
[06:22] <hydrogen> mostly because theres no competition
[06:22] <mikubuntu> MrDigital1: well, 'immortalized' is prolly an exaggeration, but yes, there you b...
[06:22] <jscinoz> erichj, thats why adobe fails
[06:22] <erichj> which i understand. when your only real alternative is the gimp i see why people pay for photoshop
[06:22] <hydrogen> krita 2.0 is going to be really nice
[06:23] <NeoThermic> woo
[06:23] <macogw> erichj: that's not the only real alternative.  paint shop pro is fantastic
[06:23] <NeoThermic> I just found a blank CD
[06:23] <jmg_> theres not much wrong with gimp
[06:23] <erichj> my company paid for ps cs2 for me. i got off lucky there
[06:23] <macogw> it has a much easier to use UI than either the gimp or photoshop and ive yet to find something it cant do
[06:23] <hydrogen> jmg_: except for the vomit spewed across the screen that is known as the UI
[06:23] <jscinoz> i can has CS2 bittorrent?
[06:23] <frijolie> hey all, i'm trying to get help here..I'm running Gutsy and every time it loads to the desktop my "kicker" is autohiding
[06:23] <jmg_> hydrogen: the ui is fine
[06:23] <frijolie> if i click on the area where it's supposed to be then it will magically appear
[06:23] <mikubuntu> help! please look at 'i imagage 116' and tell me what's wrong with ubuntu ... http://flickr.com/photos/14483391@N03/?saved=1
[06:23] <macogw> note htat the last time i used it was psp8 and they're on 11, so i'm sure it's improved to "i'd never use that, but maybe someone would" levels
[06:24] <hydrogen> jmg_: even the gimp developers don't think that!
[06:24] <h1st0> frijolie: right click and go to properties and turn autohide off
[06:24] <jmg_> hydrogen: i find it quite usable
[06:24] <erichj> frijolie, the fix for that is to click on the desktop and it appears
[06:24] <frijolie> but I have to do this each and every time
[06:24] <erichj> mine does that too
[06:24] <hydrogen> jmg_: they are undergoing usability studies to redesign it currently
[06:24] <macogw> jmg_: so do i
[06:24] <jmg_> on both nix and win32
[06:24] <frijolie> h1st0: thanks already checked that one
[06:24] <macogw> it's least usable on a mac
[06:24] <frijolie> erichj: thanks didn't think of that myself
[06:24] <macogw> that's apple's implementation of X11's fault
[06:24] <jmg_> hydrogen: cool
[06:24] <Creationist> Can someone please tell me how to customize additional panels?  Seems there's no way to adjust the size and add certain applets to anything but the Main Panel...
[06:25] <mikubuntu> this happened upon my upgrading to gutsy about three days ago... been here every day looking for help ... arrrrggggghhhhh
[06:25] <jscinoz> isnt apple's X11 like 4versions behind
[06:25] <NeoThermic> bah, wasn't blank
[06:25] <macogw> jscinoz: no idea.  i just know that if you hide the gimp, you really hide X, so then your Inkscape hides too
[06:25] <macogw> jscinoz: and you have to click on the window, then click the tool, then click the other window, then use the tool
[06:25] <macogw> jscinoz: you should just click the tool then use the tool, but instead X11-on-Mac makes you click first
[06:26] <tonyyarusso> jscinoz: I can't seem to find it now.
[06:26] <erichj> the only thing i have ever been willing to pirate was tv shows. direct tv wants $300 to replace my dvr so i download the shows when i miss them
[06:26] <jscinoz> macogw, wow that fails
[06:26] <macogw> erichj: why no mythtv?
[06:26] <jmg_> pff
[06:27] <Laser87> Hi everybody
[06:27] <jmg_> id pirate a ferrari if i could
[06:27] <macogw> jmg_: oh like you have the tools to make one if you got the source code for one
[06:27] <jscinoz> tonyyarusso, dont worry, thanks anyways
[06:27] <jmg_> macogw: thats hardly relevant
[06:27] <hydrogen> i'd pirate your mom!
[06:27] <hydrogen> hah
[06:27] <erichj> macogw, mainly because i don't have the time to setup a box for it. once there are drivers for my x-fi card that work under linux i will find the time
[06:27] <hydrogen> and with that witty retort
[06:27] <hydrogen> i'll idle again
[06:28] <jmg_> hydrogen: thanks
[06:28] <jscinoz> Gotta love the ubuntu community
[06:28] <Zoiks> mikubuntu: that looks like a display issue
[06:28] <Zoiks> whats your graphics card?
[06:28] <Laser87> I'm using Firefox 3 Gran Paradiso and have a problem with the tabs
[06:28] <jscinoz> http://cristgaming.com/pirate.swf
[06:28] <frijolie> any ideas on how to fix a taskbar that autohides?
[06:28] <Zoiks> have you installed the proprietary drivers?
[06:28] <frijolie> when autohide has been unchecked?
[06:28] <Zoiks> have you posted ont he forums
[06:29] <Laser87> when I open a new tab with right click and then close it again the last tab won't come but the tab left of the closed
[06:29] <jmg_> yarr
[06:30] <Laser87> reproducable?
[06:30] <macogw> Laser87: wait what?
[06:30] <mikubuntu> Zoiks: ummm, rage mobility
[06:30] <jmg_> macogw: i only say it because we have these stupid unskippable anti piracy ads on our dvds that say "You wouldnt steal a purse, you wouldnt steal a car, you wouldnt steal a movie, DOWNLOADING MOVIES IS A CRIME"
[06:30] <macogw> Laser87: i havent noticed a problem, but can you repeat those steps to reproduce because i didnt understand them
[06:30] <jmg_> so I want a tshirt that says
[06:30] <erichj> so after spending 4 days exploring Gutsy the only real problem i have is when i reboot. when GDM loads the icons are not where i left them.
[06:30] <jmg_> "you wouldnt steal a car.. but youd download one"
[06:30] <macogw> jmg_: nice
[06:31] <macogw> Laser87: what do you mean "the last tab won't come"?
[06:31] <musikgoat> anyone here use tilda?
[06:31] <Laser87> macogw: I have a tab open, then open another tab, this one appears on the far right
[06:31] <macogw> Laser87: is this right-click->open in new tab or is this right click on a tab and hit "new tab"?
[06:31] <Laser87> and when I close this tab again, the tab left of it appears
[06:31] <erichj> musikgoat, i used to until i starting longing for a better terminal
[06:31] <Laser87> sry - middle click
[06:32] <hydrogen> tilda's the "its not quite yakuake" program?
[06:32] <erichj> drop down terminal
[06:32] <hydrogen> yea
[06:32] <erichj> ala quake console
[06:32] <hydrogen> "its not quite yakuake"
[06:32] <Laser87> but I want to come back to the tab from which I opened the new one
[06:32] <musikgoat> i didn't care for yakuake cause of the crappy gnome functionality
[06:32] <macogw> Laser87: so close the last tab or the one from which you opened the new one?
[06:32] <musikgoat> tilda turned out to be better imo
[06:32] <hydrogen> I don't care for gnome users so I guess we're even :)
[06:32] <musikgoat> :-)
[06:32] <Laser87> hte last tab
[06:32] <Lynoure> Does Ubuntu (gnome) also have the problem of strigidaemon consuming massive amounts of CPU, or is that a kubuntu-only bug?
[06:33] <macogw> Laser87: ok so why do you consider it a bug for focus to move to the tab that is to the left of the one you close?
[06:33] <riotkittie> tilda <3
[06:33] <erichj> where would i set zsh as my default shell instead of bash?
[06:33] <macogw> erichj: /etc/passwd
[06:34] <Laser87> macogw: Cos I want to get back to the tab from which I opened the new one - like in Firefox 2
[06:34] <hydrogen> even easier
[06:34] <hydrogen> chsh /usr/bin/zsh
[06:34] <hydrogen> err
[06:34] <macogw> Laser87: i kinda doubt itll be considered a bug, more like just a change in functionality.  at most, a misfeature
[06:34] <musikgoat> question.  after I boot (i have tilda in session startup) when I drop down the section (usually transparent dark, with green text) is solid grey.   the terminal works... i can type exit and kill tilda.   restarting it from alt+f2 works fine.
[06:34] <hydrogen> chsh -s zsh USER
[06:35] <erichj> thanks hydrogen and macogw
[06:35] <Laser87> macogw: u see, just openeing a linked picture in a new tab, looking at it, closing and go on
[06:35] <macogw> Laser87: for example, if you open 5 tabs off of one (like if you're going through a list of links) and you close one of them, you'd want to read the next tab you opened, not go back to the listing of them...you were in the middle of reading branches, afterall
[06:35] <hydrogen> chsh -s /usr/bin/zsh $(whoami)
[06:35] <Laser87> I think, that's important when u have a slow inet-connection
[06:36] <erichj> recently discovered zsh, so useful
[06:37] <macogw> Laser87: how so? whats your connection's speed have to do with your tabs?
[06:37] <macogw> Lynoure: is it called strigidaemon in top or just strigid?
[06:37] <riotkittie> i wish rt2500usb would not be so cruel to me and my need for an internet connection *weep*
[06:37] <Laser87> macogw: that's ok, but I often have a lot of tabs open. When I then read on the far left tab, open a new tab, closing this new tab, I want to get back from where I started
[06:38] <macogw> Laser87: i actually would really like that thing ie7 does where the tabs are sort of a tree...what you open from one tab opens next to its parent so that you can sort of group tabs
[06:38] <Laser87> macogw:  I can read the text of a tab, while waiting to get a picture :-)
[06:38] <erichj> do i need to logout/in after changing that?
[06:38] <riotkittie> install the tab mix plus extension for greater control over your tab placement. <shrug>
[06:39] <macogw> Laser87: not everyone likes that....but an option might be nice.  seems theres a few options thatd be nice
[06:39] <macogw> riotkittie: very few extensions work on gran paradiso
[06:39] <puma> SCIM disappear
[06:39] <Laser87> macogw: sry, what is an ie? Something to eat?
[06:39] <macogw> i have no download statusbar or firebug with ff3
[06:39] <macogw> Laser87: microsoft's "web browser" that fails miserably at rendering anything
[06:40] <riotkittie> oh. i was not aware we were talking about gp :P    i only /window'ed to this tab breifly to whine about my wireless :P
[06:40] <mikubuntu> ok, i give up trying to fix this issue .... think i'll just to a reinstall of feisty to get my desktop back... only one problem, i want to email my 'tomboy notes' out of this system, but i CANT
[06:40] <Lynoure> macogw: strigidaemon
[06:40] <puma> SCIM disappear on bar.
[06:40] <macogw> mikubuntu: export html and email that?
[06:40] <mikubuntu> FIND THEM... does anybody know wehre TomBoy Notes are stored?
[06:40] <macogw> mikubuntu: oh... ~/.tomboy
[06:40] <macogw> i assume
[06:40] <Laser87> I guess I have to look for an extension if this ain't a bug, but a feature
[06:40] <riotkittie> lack of extensions is why i always lag on new versions of ff. i feel so naked without them. :|
[06:41] <frostburn> what extensions aren't ported to newer versions?
[06:41] <puma> SCIM disappeared, what happen?
[06:41] <macogw> Lynoure: i dont see that daemon
[06:41] <macogw> frostburn: none of mine
[06:41] <Laser87> macogw: Or I will contact Mozilla
[06:41] <puma> anyone helps
[06:41] <mikubuntu> macogw:  i don't know, i've looked everywhere for any file with 'tomboy' in it and no can find ...
[06:41] <macogw> Laser87: report it on their bugzilla and ask that an option be put in preferences
[06:42] <macogw> mikubuntu: did you look in ~/.tomboy ?
[06:42] <riotkittie> mikubuntu: where are you looking? nautilus?
[06:42] <Laser87> macogw:  thank you, will do that
[06:42] <macogw> ctrl+H on nautilus
[06:42] <riotkittie> or some other gui thingie? if so, its' hidden
[06:42] <macogw> to show hidden files
[06:42] <riotkittie> thingie. i fail at computer literacy. :D
[06:42] <erich_> woo it worked
[06:43] <puma> ???
[06:44] <Lynoure> macogw: hmm, I guess that explains it. Someone was just assuming the same process would be in Ubuntu, too
[06:44] <macogw> i dont know what that process does, but its not showing in my system monitor (i cant figure out how to search in top)
[06:44] <puma> SCIM problem
[06:45] <mikubuntu> riotkittie: i'm looking under desktop, home directory (mikubuntu), documents, music, can't find it anywhwere
[06:45] <riotkittie> mikubuntu: in a GUI file browser? and you've opted to view hidden files?
[06:47] <mikubuntu> riotkittie: i just opened yahoo/compose/attach/browse/ to look thru files to upload out, but can't find any of the tomboy notes
[06:47] <Laser87> mikubuntu: u can serch for it - places, search, advanced options, show hidden
[06:48] <Laser87> mikubuntu: sry - I don't have an English Ubuntu
[06:49] <musikgoat> anyone have this issue?   after I boot (i have tilda in session startup) when I drop down the section (usually transparent dark, with green text) is solid grey.   the terminal works... i can type exit and kill tilda.   restarting it from alt+f2 works fine.
[06:49] <Evanlec> musikgoat, what is the issue? and how did u configure it to start on boot?
[06:50] <Lynoure> macogw: It's part of a desktop search system
[06:50] <musikgoat> Evanlec: created a session startup item for tilda
[06:50] <Evanlec> musikgoat, okay, whats the issue then?
[06:51] <musikgoat> when that starts,  and i drop down tilda,  it is solid grey and i cant see text
[06:52] <musikgoat> i have to exit the app and restart it for it to work correctly
[06:52] <Evanlec> hm
[06:52] <musikgoat> i've deleted the config and recreated it
[06:52] <Evanlec> i just installed tilda
[06:52] <musikgoat> i've uninstalled/reinstalled
[06:52] <Evanlec> it does seem a little screwy
[06:53] <Evanlec> not using my config i just created with tilda -C
[06:53] <Evanlec> maybe i needed root
[06:53] <musikgoat> it only happens after you've customized the settings (like i did),  and reboot
[06:53] <musikgoat> the config should go in ~/.tilda/
[06:54] <musikgoat> config_0 would be the name i believe
[06:54] <Evanlec> after running tilda -C i get (tilda:14465): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_main_quit: assertion `main_loops != NULL' failed
[06:55] <musikgoat> i get that too from the command line
[06:55] <musikgoat> but it starts right
[06:55] <Evanlec> and config_0 and config_1 are completely empty files
[06:56] <musikgoat> hmm, i don't see that
[06:56] <Evanlec> and if i run 'tilda' it opens somehow with the custom settings, but wont go away with
[06:56] <reverseblade> how do I enable compiz ?
[06:56] <Evanlec> pressing the tilda key lo.l
[06:56] <reverseblade> I've just upgraded from fiesty to gutsy and I see no desktop effects
[06:56] <musikgoat> heh, its set for f1 by default
[06:56] <musikgoat> odd :-p
[06:56] <Evanlec> reverseblade, system > preferences > Desktop Effects
[06:57] <reverseblade> Evanlec, there is no such item in preferences
[06:57] <Evanlec> reverseblade, try under administration then
[06:57] <reverseblade> Evanlec, there is no either
[06:57] <macogw> reverseblade: compiz --replace
[06:58] <Evanlec> reverseblade, sorry, it should be under the "appearance" applet
[06:58] <macogw> reverseblade: you should install compizconfig-settings-manager to get all the cool stuff
[06:58] <gunny> reverseblade: System Prefs, Appearance, Visual Effects,
[06:58] <gunny> reverseblade: or install ccsm
[06:58] <reverseblade> title bars are gone
[06:58] <reverseblade> arghh
[06:58] <gunny> reverseblade: need to add window decorator
[06:59] <gunny> gunny: rage quit
[07:00] <gunny> any ideas why the compiz screenshot plugin just creates an empty png file ?
[07:00] <reverseblade> I have compiz-core installed but not compiz
[07:01] <reverseblade> also when I choose desktop effects the title bars are being gone
[07:01] <macogw> reverseblade: you need the window decorator, emerald.  it may be installed and not running.  type "emerald" to make it go
[07:01] <reverseblade> macogw, emerald: Could not acquire decoration manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0"
[07:01] <macogw> reverseblade: emerald --replace then
[07:02] <macogw> reverseblade: in here, type "/msg fusiobot icon" and do what he says to get the fusion-icon from git.  itll get you the nice applet like beryl had for configuration
[07:02] <gunny> i didn't think emerald was used any more in gutsy
[07:03] <gunny> its been removed in my upgrade
[07:03] <reverseblade> I 've done emerald --replace enabled visual effects still title bars are gone
[07:03] <gunny> you need to add/enable  the specific window decorator plugin
[07:03] <Zoiks> reverseblade: are you using gutsy?
[07:03] <reverseblade> Zoiks, yes
[07:04] <Zoiks> i had that problem when trying to use fusion on feisty
[07:04] <reverseblade> just upgraded from fiesty to gutsy
[07:04] <Zoiks> its working fine in gutsy though
[07:04] <reverseblade> and I was earlier using beryl successfully
[07:04] <reverseblade> in  fiesty
[07:04] <reverseblade> gunny, how ?
[07:05] <gunny> do you have all the compiz packages installed and the compiz config settings manager installed ?
[07:05] <macogw> emerald is definitely the window decorator for fusion
 I have compiz-core installed but not compiz
[07:05] <gunny> not for me
[07:06] <gunny> reverseblade: install compiz, compiz-gnome, compiz-fusion-plugins and compizconfig-settings-manager
[07:06] <macogw> can someone please play a game of gnome-sudoku and try to use the hint boxes within the boxes (i just realized they have space for 3 rows of text, small one for putting numbers it could be, large for the one you think it is, and another small for possible numbers)
[07:07] <macogw> let me know if sometimes when you go to type in one of the "possible" boxes of notes, when you click on it, a solid white box comes up instead of a text box where you can actually see the data you're enterint
[07:08] <gunny> reverseblade: and compiz-plugins
[07:11] <musikgoat> macogw: I get a keypad to select the possible #
[07:12] <Laser87> macogw: up row - a white field, where you can type text
[07:12] <Laser87> macogw: middle row - big one with keypad to put in the solution
[07:12] <macogw> bottom row, sometimes i get the text field to put text
[07:13] <Laser87> down row - possible numbers, sudoku gives you
[07:13] <macogw> and sometimes i get a plain white box.  i can type and when i click elsewhere the text will show there.
[07:14] <erichj> sounds like notepad to me
[07:14] <macogw> but when i want to change or backspace out that text and all i have is the solid white box, once i read the last character in it, the white box turns into the top part of a window's decorations (like with the shade, minimize, close buttons) and wont go away
[07:16] <gunny> so who's running intel sound ICH6 ALC880 or similiar, laptop in my case..any probs with microphones and alsa?
[07:17] <Laser87> macogw: if I want to change this text, I still can see the original text with orange background...
[07:18] <macogw> its not every time....
[07:19] <macogw> do you ever have where there's a white rectangle and it doesnt have a text box?
[07:19] <macogw> it happens to me a couple times each game
[07:21] <Laser87> Everything ok til now - keep on trying
[07:23] <Creationist> hmm
[07:24] <xubean> Hey experts, i have problem with upgrading to gutsy beta, think anyone can help me?
[07:25] <Laser87> xubean: just ask
[07:25] <xubean> alright... i tried doing the normal upgrade stuff, but i think it stopped somewhere in the middle, now it keeps downloading all these files but doesn't upgrade...
[07:26] <xubean> when i run upgrade manager i get the error - "Can no upgrade A upgrade from 'gutsy' to 'feisty' is not supported with this tool."
[07:26] <xubean> it has to do something with dpkg and tzdata
[07:27] <xubean> I think some files were upgraded to gutsy and some files weren't so..! any ideas?
[07:27] <macogw> xubean: you mean bug #112466 ?
[07:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112466 in update-manager "Prompted to Upgrade from Gutsy to Feisty" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112466
[07:27] <xubean> yeah i think so, i searched online and i think that's the bug number i saw, but i'm not sure
[07:28] <macogw> (havent actually read it yet, but when you said gutsy to feisty, i went "i just saw that browsing bugs!")
[07:28] <macogw> click on the link from ubotu
[07:29] <Darkstriker> hi ppl
[07:29] <Darkstriker> how can i setup dual monitor in gusty???
[07:29] <Jordan_U> Anyone know how to get splashy working in Gutsy?
[07:29] <Jordan_U> Darkstriker, System -> Administration -> Screens and Graphics
[07:29] <xubean> yeah, that's the bug, has it been fixed yet? (i'm still browsing on the website)
[07:30] <Darkstriker> yeah i figured but i dont have a menu saying screens and graphics
[07:30] <Jordan_U> Darkstriker, Do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[07:30] <Darkstriker> ohhh..
[07:30] <Darkstriker> sry nevermind
[07:31] <xubean> so any help for me? i don't see a solution in the bug report
[07:32] <Darkstriker> k i get the screens and graphic stuffy but it seems to crash the moment i want to add my second monitor because that one isnt corretly recognized...
[07:34] <xubean> anybody? help? please!?
[07:35] <Laser87> xubean: is the system running at the moment?
[07:35] <xubean> yes
[07:36] <Laser87> xubean: bug is reported... you can confirm it - and wait
[07:37] <xubean> oh man!.. thanks though...
[07:37] <macogw> Laser87: thats not what "confirm" means
[07:37] <macogw> Laser87: confirm is confirming that there is enough data for the developer to work with
[07:37] <Laser87> xubean:  I have no idea, I'm luckily running Gutsy Gibbon uptodate
[07:38] <xubean> oh u're lucky...
[07:38] <xubean> i wanted to try it out for my dual screen setup... i guess i'll just have to wait until the actual release on oct 18.. huh?
[07:38] <h1st0> wth I think my virtualbox keeps loking up installing beta
[07:38] <Jordan_U> Darkstriker, Please check if there is a bug report already and if not file one
[07:38] <Laser87> macogw: sry, English is not my native language - I meant he cab tell, that he has the same problem
[07:39] <macogw> Laser87: oh its not a language thing.  it's "the bugsquad gave overly simple names for statuses and everybody misinterprets them, so now nobody knows what a bug's TRUE status is"
[07:40] <Laser87> macogw: right - I just thought, it would be the right word *ashamed*
[07:40] <gunny> guys anyone know why compiz screenshot just creates an empty png file?
[07:40] <xubean> does anybody know about this error then? "E: tzdata: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10"
[07:40] <reverseblade> Hello when I turn on compiz my computer completely locks up within few minutes. but works fine when compiz is turned off. I am using nvidia. Any ideas ?
[07:40] <reverseblade> xubean, it means there is some error in the post installation script of the item you are installing
[07:41] <xubean> so, any way to fix that?
[07:41] <gunny> reverseblade: have you run nvidia-settings and see if that works ok
[07:42] <reverseblade> xubean, depends on the package
[07:42] <xubean> hehe.. alright... thanks guys... i gotta sleep now..
[07:42] <reverseblade> gunny, I opened nvidia-settings what to do now ?
[07:42] <macogw> Laser87: most people do think that. i did that a bunch then some bugsquad people pointed it out
[07:44] <gunny> reverseblade: is there some kind of defaults setting, also in compiz are you running just the simple setup e.g.  System/Prefs/Appearance, Visual Effects none or Normal?
[07:45] <reverseblade> gunny, if I set the visual effects to none then this means disabling compiz right ?
[07:46] <gunny> reverseblade: yep just interested if this stops the crashing...
[07:46] <reverseblade> gunny, <reverseblade> Hello when I turn on compiz my computer completely locks up within few minutes. but works fine when compiz is turned off
[07:46] <Laser87> macogw: What would be right to say: it's the same at me? thx
[07:47] <macogw> Laser87: good question.  i saw someone refer to it as metoo-ing
[07:47] <macogw> since you say "me too"
[07:47] <reverseblade> gunny, so basically freezing only occur when I turn on compiz
[07:47] <Laser87> macogw: great word - I like it :-)
[07:48] <Ahadiel> nn
[07:48] <gunny> have you done a complete system / dist-upgrade and check everything is up to date
[07:48] <erichj> new ubuntu studio theme is slick
[07:48] <erichj> much nicer than the previous
[07:49] <reverseblade> gunny, I have upgraded from fiesty to gutsy
[07:49] <reverseblade> gunny, and everything is up to date , cause I 've upgrded today
[07:52] <jml> hello all.
[07:53] <jml> I'm looking for a work-around for https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/144356
[07:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144356 in flashplugin-nonfree "Audio from Flash in Firefox does not go to correct sound device" [Undecided,New]
[07:54] <gunny> reverseblade: which nvidia card is it?
[07:55] <reverseblade> glx 6800
[07:55] <reverseblade> I think
[07:55] <reverseblade> bo
[07:55] <reverseblade> no
[07:55] <reverseblade> ge force go 7200
[07:59] <wilberfan> I can't seem to get ipv6 disabled...  Tried the standard method...
[07:59] <gunny> reverseblade: laptop ?  you could try reinstalling the nvidia drivers...should be no problem with the card i am using a go 6800
[08:00] <Laser87> is it possible to send a standard-reply automatically when I get an email with a .doc with tb or evolution?
[08:03] <CountX> i dont want to buy vista, or a 260 to play  halo 2, how can i freakin play i other than going to a friends house?
[08:04] <frostburn> CountX, steal?
[08:06] <dfgas> http://burhite.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=1626
[08:17] <kanjo_> I would greatly appreciate if someone here can point me to a tutorial or article on how to recompile Gutsy kernel, I tried the way described in KernelCustomBuild WIKI but the result is not like I expected. I am talking about how to recompile and make deb packages so there will be kernel-image package and ubuntu-modules package
[08:20] <Zoiks> if I just want to wipe a hard drive to start afresh and make new partitions
[08:20] <Zoiks> is the installer tool good enough for that or is there a better choice?
[08:21] <Hobbsee> installer works fine
[08:21] <macogw> yeah thatd be fine
[08:22] <kanjo_> I feel very lost here, it seems to me Ubuntu doesn't provide a detail article on recompiling the kernel that is exactly like the official kernel packages. Are there any reasons behind this?
[08:23] <Zoiks> oh and what is the best fs to use
[08:24] <Zoiks> i have always used ext3 on linux
[08:24] <Zoiks> but a mate is telling me reiserFS is far better
[08:24] <kanjo_> Zoiks: try XFS
[08:24] <kanjo_> Zoiks: you won't regret
[08:24] <Ramla> ext3 is good. reiser, at least version 3 is less reliable and it's faster only when handling lots and lots of very small files
[08:25] <Zoiks> XFS?
[08:25] <kanjo_> Zoiks: ya
[08:27] <Zoiks> what do the others think about xfs
[08:31] <RAOF> It doesn't handle power-outages very well, at least anecdotally.
[08:32] <RAOF> Also, there's not really a particularly compelling reason to use anything but ext3 unless you have special needs.
[08:32] <Zoiks> fair enough
[08:33] <Amaranth> XFS is really for file servers
[08:33] <Zoiks> just the quick reading i have done then seems to suggest xfs is a bit faster and more reliable then ext3
[08:33] <RAOF> But go crazy!  There's nothing particularly *wrong* with XFS, or JFS, or ReiserFS, or...
[08:33] <Amaranth> ext3 is the best general purpose fs
[08:33] <RAOF> Zoiks: I think they were lying, at least about the "more reliable" part.  Maybe more reliable if you've got a UPS, and never ever crash.
[08:33] <Amaranth> the rest sacrifice stability for speed, vice versa, or optimize for certain tasks while making other tasks slower
[08:35] <Zoiks> RAOF: it was something to do with processing IMAX film. Said ext3 and ext2 resulted in dropped frames while xfs did not
[08:35] <Amaranth> Zoiks: yeah that'd be the kind of thing XFS is optimized for
[08:35] <RAOF> Zoiks: Right.  So, that's a very, very specialised task, that XFS is good for.
[08:35] <RAOF> "I want to push vast quantities of coherent data to the disc, really really quickly."
[08:36] <Creationist> Does anyone know of a tutorial site that will show how to install a WORKING Compiz Fusion in Kubuntu Gutsy?  Just installing "compiz" doesn't do the trick.
[08:36] <Amaranth> RAOF: which it does by _not_ pushing it but sticking it in RAM ;)
[08:36] <RAOF> Amaranth: Heh.
[08:37] <pixl> i noticed a problem with xscreensaver after waking up from sleep.. I cannot enter my password :S The only solution is to click switch user and login again
[08:37] <Amaranth> pixl: compiz?
[08:37] <pixl> yeah
[08:37] <Amaranth> pixl: fully up-to-date?
[08:38] <pixl> yeag
[08:38] <pixl> updated today morning
[08:38] <Amaranth> hrm
[08:38] <Amaranth> pixl: Unredirect Fullscreen Windows enabled?
[08:38] <pixl> how do I check?
[08:39] <Amaranth> Do you have compizconfig-settings-manager installed?
[08:39] <pixl> mm
[08:39] <pixl> general?
[08:39] <Amaranth> yeah
[08:39] <pixl> yup its checked
[08:39] <Amaranth> uncheck it and see if it still happens (lock your screen)
[08:40] <Amaranth> We 'fixed' this for gnome-screensaver
[08:40] <Viroo> hi
[08:40] <pixl> nice it works, thnx
[08:40] <Viroo> where can I get multimedia codecs for gusty ?
[08:41] <Amaranth> RAOF: xscreensaver not supported? :)
[08:41] <Amaranth> Viroo: they're installed on demand
[08:41] <RAOF> Amaranth: I don't think it's in main :)
[08:41] <Viroo> but shouldnt I put an additional repository in the sources.list
[08:41] <RAOF> Amaranth: Bah, yes it is.
[08:42] <Amaranth> RAOF: Sure, for xubuntu
[08:42] <Amaranth> RAOF: But we don't particularly care about Kubuntu or Xubuntu issues though
[08:42] <Viroo> how about mp3 support, the bmp cant playback my files
[08:42] <Amaranth> Oh, beep-media-player
[08:42] <Amaranth> Why not use rhythmbox?
[08:43] <Zoiks> :( i just crashed the installer
[08:43] <Viroo> does it support mp3
[08:43] <RAOF> Or banshee, or $MEDIA_PLAYER
[08:43] <Amaranth> Viroo: yes
[08:43] <RAOF> Amaranth: Out of the box?
[08:44] <Amaranth> RAOF: No but we have that fancy on demand codec installer
[08:44] <GNine> does compiz integrates well with Xubuntu 7.10?
[08:44] <Amaranth> GNine: Not at all
[08:44] <Amaranth> GNine: It'll work like a GNOME app
[08:44] <Amaranth> Pulling in half of GNOME, using GNOME settings, GNOME tools, etc
[08:45] <Viroo> it cant find the gstream plugin to decode
[08:45] <GNine> ok.. let me rephrase, will it work even tho i have Xcfe?
[08:45] <Amaranth> Viroo: Ok just install all the gstreamer0.10-* packages
[08:45] <Amaranth> GNine: It'll 'work'
[08:45] <cellofellow> How do I add workspaces to the gnome desktop? If I open the Preferences box for the Switcher applet, it doesn't give me that option.
[08:45] <Amaranth> GNine: But we don't pay any particular attention to making it work
[08:45] <GNine> will i lose xcfe after ...?
[08:46] <Amaranth> No, just xfwm
[08:48] <GNine> i got compiz located on synaptic.  marking it for installation is all that is required?
[08:49] <GNine> or should i expect any manual modification of configuration files even if everything went well with installation
[08:50] <pixl> you will probably have to add a few things to xorg.cong
[08:50] <Amaranth> GNine: well, you'll have to set it to run on startup, if that's what you want
[08:50] <Amaranth> and if you use nvidia you probably have to add something to xorg.conf
[08:50] <GNine> i do
[08:51] <Amaranth> sudo nvidia-xconfig -d 24 --add-argb-glx-visuals
[08:51] <GNine> any wiki on what is that exactly
[08:51] <GNine> oh.. gotcha
[08:51] <GNine> i already got the restricted drivers
[08:51] <cellofellow> odd, why is gEdit defaulting to maximized?
[08:53] <RAOF> Amaranth: He shouldn't have to do nvidia-xconfig, right?  restricted-manager adds the appropriate foo.
[08:53] <GNine> should i run that sudo line b4 installation?
[08:53] <pixl> how do I change background color that flls the screen right after I login and before gnome starts up?
[08:54] <Amaranth> RAOF: 1) People think they're smart enough to not need restricted-manager and 2) Xubuntu
[08:54] <RAOF> Amaranth: Bah!  I always forget that strange people use !Gnome :)
[08:54] <pixl> even though i have background color set to black both in login setting and appearance, my screen gets filled with the default ubuntu brown
[08:56] <GNine> yah.. it does the same thing in my Xubuntu as well, pixl
[08:56] <GNine> it dont bother me tho
[08:57] <riotkittie> i am using ndiswrapper, and it makes me feel so dirty. i just thought i'd share.
[08:57] <pixl> well I got a black login and dark wallpaper.. so it does bother me :P
[08:59] <GNine> xubuntu login is blue and my desktop is blue as well.. i got that brown in between.. at least black/brown is more fashionable than blue/brown    :-P
[08:59] <riotkittie> blue is so last year
[09:00] <GNine> well.. i have a windows user next to me.. so i thought i would try and "blend" in
[09:00] <GNine> heh
[09:00] <riotkittie> my desktop is plaid. with lime green piping.
[09:02] <Crozar> hey guys why doesnt ubuntu have right click show preview forexample * Pictures , yes sometimes ill be looking for a pic i want to preview it before have it selected.
[09:02] <riotkittie> ok. i lied.  it's a lovely shade of cat puke :|
[09:03] <GNine> nobody has a recommendation about doing  "sudo nvidia-xconfig -d 24 --add-argb-glx-visual "  before or after compiz installation
[09:03] <GNine> ?
[09:04] <RAOF> GNine: Doesn't matter.
[09:04] <GNine> 10-4
[09:04] <RAOF> GNine: You probably don't even need to run it, but if you do, run it before you start compiz.
[09:05] <KenSentMe> I have a problem with Wine that seems to be fixed in 0.9.46 while 0.9.45 is in the Gutsy repo. Is there a chance that .46 will hit the repositories?
[09:05] <Crozar> guys my keyboard doing a sound whenever i type help!!!
[09:05] <Crozar> doing tot tot tot tot on the speakers whenever i type
[09:05] <GNine> alright.. that poses the Q:  how do i know if i need to do that?   i have restricted drivers good to go. Nvidia. fresh upgrade to 7.10 on Xfce4 desktop.
[09:06] <RAOF> KenSentMe: Very unlikely, but possible.
[09:06] <RAOF> GNine: You'll be able to tell if none of your windows have titlebars :)
[09:06] <pixl> GNine if you cant see window border run the rhb visulas line
[09:06] <frostburn> actually where would be the best place to get the latest wine binaries once gutsy comes out, besides compiling
[09:06] <RAOF> frostburn: winehq.org
[09:07] <GNine> groovy.  ok.. let me hunt the beast then.
[09:07] <RAOF> frostburn: They have repositories :)
[09:07] <frostburn> RAOF, i heard they weren't going to add gutsy since it's in the regular repo
[09:07] <frostburn> shrug,
[09:08] <GNine> one last Q.  is compiz going to be in my programs menu after install?
[09:08] <RAOF> frostburn: Maybe.  If so, that'd mean that they had a standing freeze exception.  It's entirely possible that wine has one of those.
[09:08] <RAOF> GNine: No.
[09:08] <GNine> so , how do i call it
[09:08] <RAOF> GNine: compiz --replace on a terminal, and you can add that to your startup apps
[09:09] <GNine> ok. now to hunt the beast.  heh
[09:10] <GNine> i see a bunch of "compiz" packages in synaptic.
[09:11] <GNine> am guessing the one simply called "compiz " is the one i should mark?
[09:11] <RAOF> "compiz" should pull in all the ones you need.  You may also want compizconfig-settings-manager
[09:11] <GNine> okeydockey..
[09:11] <GNine> :)
[09:12] <Crozar> guys my keyboard doing a sound whenever i type help!!!
[09:12] <CountX> lol
[09:12] <pixl> GNine and youll probably want compiz-fusion-plugins*
[09:12] <GNine> ok.. looking...
[09:14] <GNine> the only one not being pulled is that one RAOF  just point out last
[09:14] <GNine> (marking it anyway)
[09:18] <GNine> so.. now i need to restart X?
[09:19] <RAOF> No.
[09:19] <RAOF> Just start compiz.
[09:19] <pixl> compiz --indirect-rendering --replace
[09:19] <RAOF> Ignore the --indirect-rendering bit, probably :)
[09:19] <pixl> i find compiz to be alot more stable with indirect rendering..
[09:19] <pixl> without it i get glitches
[09:20] <RAOF> pixl: Oh, so nvidia doesn't lock the box when compiz shuts down with --indirect-rendering anymore? :P
[09:20] <GNine> hmm
[09:21] <pixl> havent had such problems.. on the other hand without it i sometimes get black windows and flickering video overlays
[09:21] <GNine> i got 2ghz cpu and 1gig RAM...  would that help in choosing indirect or otherwise?
[09:22] <RAOF> GNine: Not really.  Graphics card (and drivers) is more important.
[09:22] <pixl> also latest nvidia driver v. 100.xxx is crap.. 7xxx version is more stable.. at least with my gf 7300 on my laptop
[09:22] <GNine> i got that driver
[09:22] <GNine> ok.. i'll go indirect then
[09:23] <pixl> GNine use indirect to be on the safe side.. if you run into trouble for some reason try without it :P
[09:23] <RAOF> pixl: ??
[09:23] <pixl> ?
[09:23] <RAOF> pixl: The 7xxx version doesn't even *support* that card?
[09:23] <RAOF> pixl: nvidia-glx-new really are the drivers that you want to be using.
[09:24] <RAOF> pixl: Also, if you're using the 7xxx drivers, then you're using Xgl :)
[09:24] <pixl> yes it does.. and 100 version results in garbage on the screen, lockups when restarting x and death upon wakeup from sleep :P
[09:24] <GNine> and thats a sudo line , right?
[09:25] <RAOF> No.
[09:25] <GNine> k
[09:25] <RAOF> No, no, no :)
[09:25] <pixl> oh wait sorry.. my bad I was wrong about the version.. i use 9639 :)
[09:25] <cellojoe> what card are we working on?
[09:26] <GNine> it just told me xgl is not present ..
[09:27] <RAOF> GNine: That's fine, it's not necessary.
[09:27] <cellojoe> mine says 'device not found'
[09:27] <GNine> ok.. but .. compiz aborted ..
[09:27] <user01> wow this last set of updates broke lots on my system
[09:28] <riotkittie> glee. i'm looking forward to updating now :P
[09:28] <cellojoe> i keep hoping that there'll be an update to something, and it'll fix everything :P
[09:28] <user01> :)
[09:28] <user01> only 16 days left till it works :D
[09:28] <erichj> occasionally i am proud of microsoft http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/zune/firstgen-zune-getting-all-the-new-features-this-is-how-you-treat-your-customers-306422.php
[09:28] <riotkittie> so we hope :o
[09:29] <cellojoe> what other times have you been proud of MS?
[09:29] <user01> im suprised they hadnt even done a kernel freeze when i started downloading a week ago
[09:29] <pixl> GNine make sure you have all neede x extensions loaded.. check out my config at http://www.schreder.nu/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_on_EasyNote
[09:30] <pixl> look at the "Load" lines at the top
[09:30] <riotkittie> wow thats pretty decent of them.
[09:30] <user01> im waiting for openmoko :D
[09:30] <pixl> i have to update my tutorial on installing compiz fusion :p its alot easier now...
[09:31] <erichj> cellojoe, when ms released my mouse. i realized that microsoft was actually capable of releasing a product that could be called perfect..imho
[09:32] <user01> hmmm totem died now too
[09:32] <cellojoe> erichj: which mouse it that?
[09:32] <erichj> ms wireless notebook laser mouse 6000
[09:33] <erichj> it's like it was molded just for my hand. best mouse i have ever used
[09:33] <cellojoe> that's a sweet lookin mouse
[09:33] <cellojoe> looks like a logitech one i used
[09:34] <user01> loos like the logitech one i use
[09:34] <erichj> which one?
[09:35] <riotkittie> my husband wants to steal my logitech mouse. which he bought and paid for, but thats besides the point :'(
[09:36] <user01> v270
[09:36] <erichj> i used to use a logitech v470 until i found my 6000
[09:36] <macogw> if i want to submit a script as an easter egg for maybe gutsy, or at least hardy, where would i do that?
[09:36] <cellojoe> um... the v270 doesn't look anything like the ms 6000
[09:37] <macogw> its not a patch against a package, so im not sure what to do
[09:37] <user01> umm its a mouse they all look the same more or less
[09:37] <cellojoe> well... yes
[09:37] <erichj> 270 is just ugly
[09:38] <user01> erichj:  i wouldnt know i just use it to click not to put on fashion shows
[09:38] <erichj> user01, you wouldn't last a day as a mac user then
[09:38] <cellojoe> lol
[09:38] <user01> erichj:  thank god
[09:38] <erichj> haha
[09:38] <GNine> is this the time to run that   sudo nvidia-xconfig -d 24 --add-argb-glx-visuals?    however.. it says xgl  not   glx   was not found
[09:39] <user01> user01:  thats why i erased my ipod firware and replaced it with a nix clone
[09:39] <RAOF> GNine: Yes, probably time to xconfig.
[09:39] <erichj> bed time for me
[09:39] <erichj> later everyone
[09:40] <kbrosnan> If I enable the Nvidia drivers X appears to hang and I end up pressing the reset switch and must switch back to the nv drivers.
[09:41] <RAOF> GNine: Because you don't have it installed.  This is not a problem.
[09:41] <GNine> so the theory is that i dont need xgl ...?
[09:41] <RAOF> GNine: It's just that the compiz wrapper has to do some different things when you're using Xgl.
[09:41] <GNine> ok
[09:41] <GNine> running the sudo line now
[09:42] <kbrosnan> i am using i386 kernel and my video card is a 8600gt
[09:43] <RAOF> kbrosnan: Well, the i386 kernel is probably a mistake, you probably want -generic.
[09:44] <RAOF> kbrosnan: Also, *when* does X appear to hang?
[09:44] <kbrosnan> before any gui loads, just after the ubuntu progress bar
[09:45] <Blackgoth> \o/ gutsy ftw
[09:45] <GNine> well.. ran the config line ok.  went back to call compiz  indirect-rendering --replace, same xgl missing message..
[09:45] <kbrosnan> actually just checked uname and it is the generic
[09:45] <RAOF> GNine: And after that?
[09:45] <Blackgoth> kbrosnan, do you have a ATI card?
[09:45] <GNine> nothing after tha
[09:45] <GNine> t
[09:45] <kbrosnan> Blackgoth: no see a few lines up nvidia 8600
[09:46] <RAOF> GNine: Nothing at all?  The system freezes?
[09:46] <Blackgoth> i kinda missed that, using a bnc :+
[09:46] <GNine> no. it just doesnt start compiz.. system is stable
[09:46] <RAOF> GNine: If it wasn't starting Compiz, it would say "Continuing with fallback WM..."
[09:47] <GNine> so.. where is this xgl at ... cause compiz wants it
[09:47] <RAOF> GNine: Why do you think that compiz isn't running? ;)
[09:47] <Blackgoth> are you using the ubuntu drivers or the ubuntu drivers?
[09:47] <Blackgoth> *nvidia drivers
[09:47] <kbrosnan> tried both, same results
[09:47] <GNine> oh.. yah.. that.. it just falls back to metacity .. xfce4 in this case ..
[09:48] <Blackgoth> and when you use compiz --replace what does it say?
[09:48] <RAOF> GNine: Can you pastebin the full output?  It *can't* just say "Xgl: not present", there has to be more :)
[09:48] <GNine> that is all..
[09:48] <GNine> :-/
[09:48] <musikgoat> i would like to do a clean install of gutsy, and would like to export my installed list of synaptic.  is this easily possible?
[09:48] <RAOF> But there's the "falling back to..." thing, yes?  That's not *just* Xgl: no :P
[09:49] <Blackgoth> musikgoat: yes actually
[09:49] <musikgoat> i've tried the generate package download script, but i think i could be using that wrong
[09:49] <musikgoat> its blank bash shell script
[09:49] <Blackgoth> musikgoat: do a locate on .deb files
[09:49] <Blackgoth> it should be somewhere in /var/ something
[09:49] <musikgoat> ok
[09:49] <GNine> the first thing is check for xgl .. it dont find it. so it falls back to metacity .. which in turn still wants to find the indirect-rendering and of course, thats an unknown option for metacity..
[09:50] <kbrosnan> my xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39432/
[09:50] <Blackgoth> just backup that dir, and when you are done with the reinstall just dpkg -i *
[09:50] <musikgoat> thats whats installed?
[09:50] <musikgoat> ahh
[09:50] <musikgoat> i c
[09:50] <musikgoat> thanks
[09:51] <GNine> so.. am just gonna look in synaptic for xgl ...
[09:51] <RAOF> GNine: You'll find it.  However...
[09:52] <GNine> or.. maybe i should just run compiz without the indirect-rendering part
[09:52] <macogw> anyone interested in running a stranger-on-the-internet's script?
[09:52] <jmg_> macogw: sif
[09:52] <musikgoat> Blackgoth:  /var/cache/apt/archives/   has a ton of .deb
[09:52] <GNine> however ...?  RAOF
[09:52] <RAOF> GNine: That's a good idea :)
[09:53] <macogw> jmg: sif?
[09:53] <RAOF> GNine: However, I'm looking at the compiz script, and it *cannot* output only "Xgl: not present" :)
[09:53] <jmg> macogw: expands to "as if"
[09:54] <RAOF> GNine: And you should be able to run compiz without Xgl.
[09:54] <macogw> jmg: oh.  its like 12 lines and it's a bash script, so you can read it.  and it's mine
[09:54] <jmg> macogw: what does it do?
[09:54] <macogw> well, you type "make me a sandwich" and it response