[00:00] <WaltzingAlong> sdlnxgk: wonderful so long as no problem has yet been encountered it must be great
[00:00] <werty> can i play games on zone.com through wine?
[00:00] <Linux_Galore> for the CD covers
[00:00] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> poty: ew envy :[
[00:00] <WaltzingAlong> sdlnxgk: but seriously, take a look at what it is doing and how it does that
[00:00] <sdlnxgk> Dr_willis, most people don't go to the CLI to install and have problems
[00:00] <Dr_willis_> One good thing about Gutsy. it makes Automatix and envy. less and less needed.. (not that they were needed befor) :)
[00:00] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> poty: broke my friends box pretty bad
[00:00] <nosrednaekim> Linux_Galore: I think its in kubuntu-default-settings
[00:01] <Dr_willis_> I will stick with the 'restricted-manager' tool for my simple needs
[00:01] <Tm_T> envy is Bad, end of discussion
[00:01] <sdlnxgk> now I tried to install nVidia drivers myself  and it broke my system and had to use envy -t  from the CLI to fix it
[00:01] <sdlnxgk> Tm_T,  I guess to each his own till bitten
[00:01] <WaltzingAlong> Tm_T: sure bad but why
[00:01] <Dr_willis_> of course if nvidia and ati would both get their acts together..  life would be better...
[00:01] <Linux_Galore> nosrednaekim: what I find amusing is the CD cover artwork is not on any of the wiki/kubuntu related websites
[00:02] <sdlnxgk> Dr_willis, I play games on mine so had to fix the driver issue
[00:02] <nosrednaekim> Linux_Galore: ah..... i'm not sure where that is
[00:02] <Dr_willis_> Tm_T,  your system can get updated one day.. then fail to boot to X after the update..
[00:02] <johey> How do I set a WEP key for my wireless network interface? In System Settings->Network Settings, when setting a hexadecimal WEP key, the settings are forgotten after applying.
[00:02] <Dr_willis_> IRC is the Ultimate Game.
[00:02] <sdlnxgk> Dr_willis,  ya but that is in a perfect world
[00:02] <Tm_T> WaltzingAlong: scripts that does break are bad in official channels
[00:02] <Linux_Galore> nosrednaekim: Im running of a batch of CD's and I want to put some artwork on the covers
[00:02] <sdlnxgk> trying to find monitor settings with the new KDE
[00:03] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: perhaps you come across http://www.linuxselfhelp.com/gnu/grub/html_chapter/grub_toc.html#TOC21 thanks to google
[00:03] <edenbeast> johey those settings are stored in /etc/network/interfaces
[00:03] <WaltzingAlong> Tm_T: ok so there you have it sdlnxgk; envy is bad because it can break things and this is an official kubuntu support channel; nothing about it may or may not work for some people; just that it can break and does so in undesirable ways
[00:03] <intelikey> hmmm if i bring up eth0 then i loose the ability to access www (ppp0)  but ifconfig eth0 down restores the connection on ppp0     any thoughts ?
[00:03] <Dr_willis_> Kubuntu set up both my wide screen monitors good. :) well after i installed the nvidia drivers.
[00:03] <bascule> johey: I also think that the wallet can hold them for you
[00:03] <Oakbox> Dr_willis_: with compiz, if i run compiz --replace it runs compiz for one session or forever?
[00:04] <Dr_willis_> Oakbox,  just that time..
[00:04] <WaltzingAlong> Oakbox: current session
[00:04] <johey> edenbeast: Cool. I have looked in that file, and there is no WEP key configuration as far as I can see. Where can I find an example of how to set it in that file manually?
[00:04] <Oakbox> ta
[00:04] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> anybody trying to make linux from scratch?
[00:04] <Dr_willis_> Oakbox,  and if you Kill that terminal. it may kill compiz. :)  use the exit command to close the shell.
[00:04] <edenbeast> johey 1 sec I'll give you one
[00:04] <sdlnxgk> WaltzingAlong,  I believe ya when you say it can break things but for all three of my systems it has run flawless
[00:04] <Dr_willis_> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  i tried Linux From Scratch Once.. dident see much point in it. :)
[00:04] <smax> hi
[00:04] <Dr_willis_> You do learn a lot i guess. :)
[00:04] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: to learn?
[00:04] <Tm_T> sdlnxgk: doesnt mztter here
[00:04] <smax> how do i know if nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new is prefered ?
[00:05] <johey> bascule: Hm. The wallet is per user, right? I want the NIC to be enabled at boot time, before logging in.
[00:05] <Dr_willis_> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  but it dident teach me anything i dident allready know - other then to 'cut/paste wait' continue...
[00:05] <werty> how can i open iptraf
[00:05] <WaltzingAlong> smax: preferred is the one that works with your card; check the website for the list
[00:05] <WaltzingAlong> !nvidia | smax
[00:05] <ubotu> smax: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[00:05] <bascule> johey: ah, then you need to set it in some file
[00:05] <sdlnxgk> anyone know where monitor settings are in the new KDE??
[00:05] <smax> i have used nvidia-glx in the past.  i'll just stick with that.
[00:05] <bascule> sdlnxgk: peripherals
[00:05] <sdlnxgk> or how to install sysinfo for Konqueror??
[00:05] <intelikey> is it my routing table that's hosed ?
[00:06] <sdlnxgk> bascule, it's not listed in peripherals
[00:06] <johey> sdlnxgk: I have seen some monitor settings in System Settings->Monitor and Display.
[00:06] <edenbeast> johey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41448/  this is for a static configuration dhcp would be easier (you get to omit a lot of stuff ;-) )
[00:06] <stdin> sdlnxgk: put it in ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/scripts
[00:06] <smax> how can i boot linux with out it invoking kde?
[00:06] <Dr_willis_> to configure the monitors on the nvida cards - i thouhg one used the 'nvidia-xconfig' tool
[00:06] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: did you try to make a live cd?
[00:06] <intelikey> testing
[00:06] <sdlnxgk> Johey in the old version yes I have seen that but not the new version of KDE
[00:06] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: that seems difficult
[00:06] <Dr_willis_> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  nope. I tend touse SLAX to tweak my own live cd's
[00:06] <andreas> just out os curiosity: Why does Gutsy use /dev/sd{a,b,..} instead of /dev/hd{a,b,..}? Any bigger changes in the handling of IDE-HDDs?
[00:07] <bascule> sdlnxgk: neither it is, control centre, you'll see it
[00:07] <intelikey> ah looks like i'm still recieving this time.
[00:07] <werty> how can i open iptraf?
[00:07] <sdlnxgk> bascule, don't see control center in new version of KDE
[00:07] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: how do i install ati tool
[00:07] <edenbeast> andres are they sata disks maybe?
[00:07] <sdlnxgk> maybe i'm missing something
[00:07] <intelikey> werty konsole type iptraf ?
[00:07] <bascule> sdlnxgk: system settings, Soth
[00:07] <bascule> sorry
[00:07] <smax> i need to run nvidia-xconfig for glx to work with my card.  if i boot with my card installed i have a black screen upon loading kde.  a paradox.
[00:07] <WaltzingAlong> andreas: not used only for sata disks but using that interface
[00:07] <Dr_willis_> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  no idea - look in the repos for it. I dont have any ati systems any more. Theres the !ati factoid also.
[00:08] <tysonsw> I need a big help and quick.. my computer says that the command "deb" doesn't exist.. what do I do?
[00:08] <Dr_willis_> !find ati
[00:08] <ubotu> Found: binutils-static, foomatic-db, foomatic-db-engine, foomatic-db-gutenprint, foomatic-db-hpijs (and 147 others)
[00:08] <sdlnxgk> bascule, don't see system settings
[00:08] <BrightEyes`> how can i remove the boot loader from MBR ?
[00:08] <johey> Thanks alot, edenbeast! I will try to adapt those settings for me.
[00:08] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> !ati
[00:08] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[00:08] <intelikey> tysonsw the command 'deb' does not exist.
[00:08] <Dr_willis_> BrightEyes`,  you instgall a different boot loader over it normally.
[00:08] <bascule> sdlnxgk: off the menu, I have it
[00:08] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> !fglrx
[00:08] <WaltzingAlong> smax: if no kde shows, ctrl+alt+f1 to get to tty1 then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to reconfigure x
[00:08] <Linux_Galore> bet they released Gutsy and havent done the artwork yet
[00:08] <IkeKrull> andreas: kernel devs decided to change all ide hard disks to use the sata driver layer around kernel 2.6.20
[00:08] <johey> edenbeast: Are those really generated by the Network Settings in Kubuntu?
[00:08] <sdlnxgk> bascule, I have system settings but nothing with monitor
[00:08] <prak> how do i unlock a locked dpkg session?
[00:08] <Dr_willis_> BrightEyes`,  depending on exactly what you are trying to do. You might want to use the dd command to zero it out. That might whipe the whole hd also.
[00:09] <intelikey> tysonsw what are you trying to do?
[00:09] <tysonsw> intelikey on this page they state that I should wright that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[00:09] <prak> !lock
[00:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:09] <BrightEyes`> Dr_willis_: how can grub automatically find my o/s like on kubuntu installation?
[00:09] <prak> !unlook
[00:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about unlook - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:09] <prak> !unlock
[00:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about unlock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:09] <sdlnxgk> bascule, the new KDE 3.5 is set up a little different
[00:09] <prak> !dpkg
[00:09] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[00:09] <prak> !info dpkg
[00:09] <ubotu> dpkg: package maintenance system for Debian. In component main, is required. Version 1.14.5ubuntu16 (gutsy), package size 2123 kB, installed size 6712 kB
[00:09] <werty> i'va allready tried that:i think the app runs but there nothing on the monitor...
[00:09] <bascule> sdlnxgk: I have it in system administration odd, anyway, alt+f2 kcontrol then go to peripherals
[00:09] <ardchoille> !adeptfix
[00:09] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[00:09] <stdin> tysonsw: you add it as a repository, not in konsole
[00:09] <intelikey> tysonsw show me what you typed in, or pasted in.
[00:09] <Dr_willis_> BrightEyes`,  Im not sure what command/how to make  grub rescan the system like the installer does.
[00:10] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> prak: next time privet message him
[00:10] <Dr_willis_> BrightEyes`,  i normally just manually add the entrys i need to the menu.lst file
[00:10] <andreas> WaltzingAlong: strange, i have no sata, just plain old ide, but all my drives are referenced through sda, sdb (KDE, partitioning utility and default-maountpoints) /etc/ffstab still comments them as /dev/hda etc..
[00:10] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: in grub interface you can do something like setup or something. try help when you get there
[00:10] <prak> AT0M1CBOMBER: why private message?
[00:10] <tysonsw> intelikey deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/amaranth/ubuntu feisty main
[00:10] <prak> the bot?
[00:10] <WaltzingAlong> andreas: i can find the link explaining it
[00:10] <sdlnxgk> bascule, thanks will try that i'm going crazy here with this new KDE version thought maybe I didn't install something
[00:10] <Dr_willis_> Grub does not 'scan' the system and make the menu.lst thats some tool of the installer.
[00:10] <edenbeast> BrightEyes`: the MBR is the first 512 part of your hd so dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/<your device> bs=512 count=1  should do the trick
[00:11] <sdlnxgk> bascule, I just have login manager there
[00:11] <Dr_willis_> and leave him with a unbootable system. :)
[00:11] <stdin> !msgthebot | prak
[00:11] <ubotu> prak: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids. Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[00:11] <bascule> sdlnxgk: well perhaps, I have always had sytem settongs at the bottom of the kmenu
[00:11] <edenbeast> BrightEyes`: but please make sure you have a bootdisk and back up your MBR first!
[00:11] <werty> i'va allready tried that:i think the app is running but there nothing on the monitor...(iptraf)
[00:11] <tomer_p> hi all
[00:11] <BrightEyes`> edenbeast: ok im not going to do anything
[00:11] <edenbeast> Dr_willis well he asked how to nuke the MBR :-|
[00:11] <tomer_p> how do i get the source code for my /usr/bin/tail
[00:11] <tomer_p> program, using adept
[00:11] <verve> k, so i'm upgrading from Feisty to Gutsy.. i think it finished, it's at the cleanup stage, asks me if i want to remove obsolete packages.. i say Remove, it works for about a minute then crashes
[00:11] <Dr_willis_> edenbeast,  yep..  asked how to make a noose to hang hiself. :)
[00:12] <andreas> IkeKrull: ah, ok that explains it. needs a bit of getting used to
[00:12] <verve> what should i do?
[00:12] <verve> re-run Adept?
[00:12] <WaltzingAlong> andreas: but i think it is just because the old access was slow and such but the sata access was faster and a better future platform       perhaps http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-422336.html
[00:12] <Linux_Galore> heh, Always use the Italian Ubuntu Gutsy artwork heh -> http://loeil.tonsite.biz/wp-content/2007/07/sexy-ubuntu.jp
[00:12] <Dr_willis_> !find tail
[00:12] <ubotu> Found: logtail, whiptail, inotail, libfile-tail-perl, multitail (and 5 others)
[00:12] <sdlnxgk> bascule,  I only have digital camera, joystick, keyboard, mouse, printers, remote  controls, storage media inside Peripherals :(
[00:12] <Linux_Galore> heh, Always use the Italian Ubuntu Gutsy artwork heh -> http://loeil.tonsite.biz/wp-content/2007/07/sexy-ubuntu.jpg
[00:12] <Linux_Galore> oops
[00:12] <intelikey> tysonsw as stdin said,  you put that in the wrong place is all.   but you can use the konsole and,     echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/amaranth/ubuntu feisty main" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list     if you like.
[00:12] <bascule> sdlnxgk: very strange ....
[00:12] <Dr_willis_> tomer_p,  that would be part of some larger package i belive. Not sure which one tail comes in.
[00:12] <werty> !find iptraf
[00:12] <verve> anyone!?
[00:12] <ubotu> Found: iptraf
[00:13] <andreas> WaltzingAlong: Thank you, that explains it. good to know. Is there a symlink to /dev/hda or are those indentifiers not usable any more?
[00:13] <werty> ops
[00:13] <sdlnxgk> bascule, very stranger indeed maybe when I upgraded KDE I forgot something will go back and look at package list
[00:13] <gameforge> So I am trying to run compiz in Kubuntu Gutsy but it has no window borders, and no hint of a window manager - I have gnome-desktop installed for fun, and it works great under gnome - using fglrx/ATI driver... what should I do?  Emerald and compiz are both running and not displaying errors...
[00:13] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: why does my adept manager say full upgrade
[00:13] <tomer_p> ok but generally speaking, how can i get the source code for some package that i install using adept
[00:13] <bascule> tomer_p: well it belongs to package core-utils, so get the source for that
[00:13] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: and version upgrade
[00:13] <WaltzingAlong> andreas: accessed via sda instead afaik
[00:13] <bascule> sdlnxgk: kde admin or kde-admin
[00:13] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: im on gutsy
[00:13] <prak> is it possible to upgrade to gutsy by booting the alternative cd?
[00:13] <tomer_p> bascule: ok how do i get the source for core-utils?
[00:13] <Dr_willis_> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  theres a bug in the package manager tool where it says you can upgrade even after you are Up to date.
[00:13] <gameforge> Yes that's another issue I'm having since upgrading to Gutsy, my adept still has a "Version Upgrade" button
[00:14] <Dr_willis_> gameforge,  ignore the button
[00:14] <gameforge> k :)
[00:14] <WaltzingAlong> gameforge: known issue
[00:14] <sdlnxgk> bascule, will give that a shot thanks for your help!!
[00:14] <stdin> !source | tomer_p
[00:14] <awag> can anyone here help me with configuring strigi?
[00:14] <ubotu> tomer_p: You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[00:14] <Dr_willis_> got to be faq #3 :)
[00:14] <WaltzingAlong> prak: start feisty. insert the cd. then upgrade from the cd
[00:14] <Linux_Galore> anyone got a link for the Kubuntu Gutsy artwork, dare say this image http://loeil.tonsite.biz/wp-content/2007/07/sexy-ubuntu.jpg qont be the best to use heh
[00:14] <Linux_Galore> wont*
[00:14] <gameforge> So what about my other issue, compiz running with no window borders/trace of a window manager?
[00:14] <andreas> WaltzingAlong: hm ok, hope I remember this when I need it the first time. Thank you
[00:15] <WaltzingAlong> andreas: :D
[00:15] <gameforge> And I can't seem to rotate cube or anything
[00:15] <gameforge> ?
[00:15] <Dr_willis_> !compiz
[00:15] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[00:15] <Dr_willis_> gameforge,  install emerald like that guide says
[00:15] <gameforge> Like I said before, emerald is running
[00:15] <prak> WaltzingAlong: i'm doing just that as instructed in http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading, except i'm hitting some bugs
[00:15] <Dr_willis_> Then ya did somthing else wrong.
[00:15] <prak> i mean error messages
[00:16] <WaltzingAlong> prak: such as?
[00:16] <Linux_Galore> gameforge: emerald isnt compiz its a manager
[00:16] <Dr_willis_> :) i would say restart the X serrver perhaps. and try reruning compiz --replace
[00:16] <verve> am i muted or something? or is it just no one is answering me at all?
[00:16] <gameforge> Well, I started with beryl, then ditched that since compiz-fusion came out, but I've never been able to get it to work - I was hoping gutsy would fix it
[00:16] <Dr_willis_> well if you had beryl on there befor.. I got no idea what may be confiused.
[00:16] <tysonsw> intelikey it wont work.. it is just stuck at " sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list"
[00:16] <gameforge> I know - I run compiz, it tells me it's starting emerald, and my window borders disappear
[00:16] <werty> if ihave ubuntu can i change to kubuntu and hpw?
[00:16] <Dr_willis_> I did a clean install of gutsy.
[00:16] <werty> how
[00:16] <WaltzingAlong> gameforge: but kde4 should have beryl-like effects
[00:16] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: me too
[00:16] <stdin> !kde
[00:16] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gusty and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[00:17] <Linux_Galore> I wont be using compiz until about kde 4.1
[00:17] <WaltzingAlong> werty: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop           or through synaptic install kubuntu-desktop          then when you log in, select kde as the session instead of gnome
[00:17] <Dr_willis_> werty,  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[00:17] <intelikey> tysonsw ctrl+C
[00:17] <gameforge> I thought that, although at this point I'm working in a brand new account, and beryl is definitely uninstalled and removed
[00:17] <prak> WaltzingAlong: "unable to get exclusive lock" message
[00:17] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: i really hate that bug tho :[ grrrr/rawr/moo/meow
[00:17] <fulat2k> hi folks, any idea why NetworkManager is using 100% of CPU resources on Gutsy?
[00:17] <kaminix> I won't be using Compiz until I get a computer with a better chipset :p
[00:17] <tysonsw> intelikey sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:17] <WaltzingAlong> !aptfix | prak
[00:17] <ubotu> prak: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[00:17] <gameforge> Like I said before, it works great under gnome, I have gnome-desktop installed for fun
[00:18] <WaltzingAlong> gameforge: sure it is meant for gnome as far as i know
[00:18] <UnluckyMike> I'm having problems with the default rt61pci drivers that shipped with gutsy, I'm running the serialmonkey drivers now. They work fine as long as I use the rutilt config program that they made for the driver, but when I try to manually config with iwpriv the driver dies. dmesg isn't showing anything wrong. Any ideas?
[00:18] <bascule> tomer_p: apt-get source core-utils
[00:18] <Dr_willis_> theres a very good reason that compiz is NOT isntalled on Kubuntu by default. :)
[00:18] <gameforge> WaltzingAlong: So it's an emerald issue, I believe... what can I do?
[00:18] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: what does the fglrx tool do
[00:18] <werty> but then will i be able to change between kde and gnome?
[00:18] <WaltzingAlong> gameforge: stumble through?
[00:18] <Dr_willis_> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  thts the name of the ati driver..  configures the ati stuff i would guess
[00:18] <gameforge> Dr_willis_: Yeah, I figured that much - but it's upsetting that emerald _used_ to work way back when with beryl
[00:18] <Dr_willis_> werty,  of course.
[00:18] <VDrake> jolas
[00:18] <WaltzingAlong> gameforge: (i have no compbiz on here anyway, sorry, need to ask someone else)
[00:19] <werty> how? ;)
[00:19] <Dr_willis_> gameforge,  it works for me now. :)
[00:19] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: but it does nothing im in it right now :[
[00:19] <gameforge> Dr_willis_: are you using fglrx?
[00:19] <Dr_willis_> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  no idea. i dont have a single ati machine any more. ive not messed with ati in over a year.
[00:19] <tysonsw> intelikey sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:19] <Dr_willis_> gameforge,  nope. nvidia
[00:19] <gameforge> Dr_willis_: figures :(
[00:19] <Dr_willis_> I dont plan on buying ati any time again  soon.
[00:20] <Oakbox> yay compiz running ok so far BUT i seem to have 4 desktops showing on my pannel and only two that work :S
[00:20] <intelikey> tysonsw i never said that.   sorry for being vague.   i assumed you knew what the pipe symbol did.
[00:20] <UnluckyMike> anyone know anything bout rt61 wireless?
[00:20] <Dr_willis_> next laptop i get WILL be nvidia also.. :)
[00:20] <edenbeast> maybe in a few years when those open sourced drivers will be kicking ass :D
[00:20] <Dr_willis_> Oakbox,  set the # of desktops using the compiz settings manager tool.  not the kde tool
[00:20] <gameforge> Yep, I'm tired of ATI as well, but I have a laptop with an ATI card.... :(
[00:20] <tysonsw> intelikey no.. sry.. I should have tol you <---- linux newbie
[00:20] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: i might get a gforce whats the best one?
[00:20] <Dr_willis_> gameforge,  my ati laptop cant even handle compiz.
[00:21] <Dr_willis_> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  whatever your budget can afford.
[00:21] <intelikey> tysonsw press the control key and the c key togather and close the konsole before we break something
[00:21] <awag> can anyone here help me with configuring strigi? i upgraded to 7.10 the other day, and strigi doesn't seem to be able to find files very well for me
[00:21] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: what is the best one?
[00:21] <gameforge> Dr_willis_: Well, I have a Radeon Mob. 9600, and it used to do Beryl great - also have a 9800 Pro in my desktop
[00:21] <Dr_willis_> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  BEST IS  whatever your budget can afford.
[00:21] <tysonsw> intelikey done
[00:21] <gameforge> So has anyone got emerald/compiz to work with ATI on KDE?
[00:21] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: they arent that expensive
[00:21] <intelikey> !repos | tysonsw please read this link.
[00:21] <ubotu> tysonsw please read this link.: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[00:22] <Dr_willis_> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  nvidia cards range from $60 to $600.......
[00:22] <Dr_willis_> i got a $300 8800gtsXXX in this box.
[00:23] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> my computer costs $4000 built it from scratch :]
[00:23] <intelikey> tysonsw you should probably use that page to setup the sources list.   read carefully, if you have questions, just ask.
[00:23] <Dr_willis_> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  i would say you proberly got ripped off then.
[00:23] <Dr_willis_> but it all depends on your needs.
[00:24] <WaltzingAlong> AT0M1CB0MB3R: and income :D
[00:24] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> jk
[00:24] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> it cost 400
[00:24] <Dr_willis_> I got a C64 that cost like $400 - 30+ yrs ago...
[00:24] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> it was a typo
[00:24] <Dr_willis_> I got a decent $700 system the other day on sale.
[00:24] <Dr_willis_> then added a $300 card.
[00:24] <tysonsw> intelikey the problem I have is how to istall ccsm on this system.. I have already read that page and.. that didn't make me smarter
[00:25] <tomer_p> guys, there ISNT a core-utils package
[00:25] <Dr_willis_> sudo apt-get install compiz compizconfig-settings-manager
[00:25] <hydrogen> hmm
[00:25] <stdin> tomer_p: "coreutils"
[00:25] <Dr_willis_> to install the ccsm tool.
[00:25] <hydrogen> what kind of adventures would I be in for if I tried to move my root partition from one drive to another?
[00:26] <WaltzingAlong> !partimage | hydrogen should be enjoyable otherwise dd
[00:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about partimage - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:26] <tomer_p> ok found it thatks
[00:26] <Dr_willis_> hydrogen,  you would need to   boot a live cd , fix the fstab. and grub/menu.lst and perhaps remake the   initrd file
[00:26] <tysonsw> Dr_willis_ that doesn't work.. I have already tried.. it can't download the file either
[00:26] <hydrogen> WaltzingAlong: I know how to move it.. I'm more wonder about what would need to be updated to make kubuntu actually work
[00:26] <WaltzingAlong> so perhaps the first step is rewording the task
[00:26] <hydrogen> Dr_willis_: yea, thats mostly what I thought..
[00:27] <hydrogen> WaltzingAlong: no, I asked what adventures would moving it from one drive to another cause, not how to move it from one drive to another
[00:27] <hydrogen> WaltzingAlong: the first step in responding is reading the question :M)
[00:27] <hydrogen> where'd that M come from?
[00:27] <tysonsw> intelikey the problem I have is how to istall ccsm on this system.. I have already read that page and.. that didn't make me smarter
[00:27] <Dr_willis_> tysonsw,  it the proper way to do it. Your repos may be messed up/slow, or you need to update/upgrade.
[00:28] <johey> edenbeast: I am not very used to configuring wireless networks. I don't really know what is what. I only know my ESSID and some key (which I thaught was a WEP key) on the form xx-xx-xx-xx-xx-xx where all x's are hex numbers. Isn't that enough information to set up my network?
[00:28] <hydrogen> Dr_willis_: what if I wanted to install grub on the other drive and use that as the boot loader? is there a pretty way to do that in *buntu or would I just run grub-install ?
[00:28] <Dr_willis_> hydrogen,  sudo grub-install /dev/whatever
[00:28] <edenbeast> johey yes if you set it up as using dhcp, then it'll pull all the other info from your router or your isp
[00:28] <hydrogen> okay
[00:28] <hydrogen> so theres no pretty way :)
[00:28] <tysonsw> Dr_willis_ the console states that the package compizconfig-settings-manager doesn't exist
[00:28] <Dr_willis_> hydrogen,  whats moving grub going to acomplish? :)
[00:28]  * hydrogen looks around for a kubuntu cd
[00:29] <WaltzingAlong> johey: at the console you could use sudo iwlist eth1 scanning                to see which key is expected
[00:29] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> it has a amd64 athlon +3000  2.7ghz 1gb ram |2 harddrives 500gb / 200gb |ati 9550 256mb |6 ,12v fans|Plexiglass case|two dvd / cd burners| 6 red/white/blue leds|and 9 usb 2.0 ports
[00:29] <WaltzingAlong> type of key*
[00:29] <Dr_willis_> tysonsw,  then you need to fix your repositories, and/or sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:29] <bascule> hmmm, signal 11 on x ....
[00:29] <Dr_willis_> or theres a typo.. lets check
[00:29] <Dr_willis_> !find compiz
[00:29] <ubotu> Found: compiz, compiz-bcop, compiz-core, compiz-dev, compiz-fusion-plugins-extra (and 15 others)
[00:29] <hydrogen> Dr_willis_: I don't want to mess around with grub and multiple hd's and windows overriding and all that mess.. so I'd rather put linux on my external hd and install grub onto that.. so fi I want to boot into linux I just boot off of my external hd, if I want to run windows I boot off the internal
[00:30] <tomer_p> how do i untar a tar.bz2 file?
[00:30] <Dr_willis_> ompizconfig-settings-manager - Compiz configuration settings manager
[00:30] <bascule> hey source guy, it's coreutils not core-utils
[00:30] <hydrogen> tomer_p: tar -xjf file
[00:30] <Dr_willis_> !info compizconfig-settings-manage
[00:30] <ubotu> Package compizconfig-settings-manage does not exist in gutsy
[00:30] <tomer_p> ok thanks
[00:30] <WaltzingAlong> tomer_p: tar xfvj file.tar.bz2
[00:30] <johey> WaltzingAlong: Do you mean the line "Encryption key:on"?
[00:30] <bascule> tomer_p: it's coreutils not core-utils
[00:30] <Dr_willis_> Hmm-- thers a typo going on somewhere..
[00:30] <stdin> !info compizconfig-settings-manager
[00:30] <ubotu> compizconfig-settings-manager: Compiz configuration settings manager. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.2+git20070912-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 498 kB, installed size 3268 kB
[00:30] <bascule> tomer_p: why do you want the source?
[00:30] <Dr_willis_> !info compizconfig-settings-manager
[00:30] <stdin> Dr_willis_:  needed an r at the end :)
[00:31] <WaltzingAlong> johey: no a bit further than that
[00:31] <tomer_p> i want to mess around with tail and have my own version
[00:31] <Dr_willis_> heh..
[00:31] <tomer_p> a version that beeps on every new line
[00:31] <tysonsw> Dr_willis_ thanks for the help with the update.. now it worked
[00:31] <Dr_willis_> tomer_p,  that would be about a 3 line perl script. :)
[00:31] <bascule> tomer_p: cool
[00:31] <tomer_p> tail -fb file
[00:31] <WaltzingAlong> tomer_p: could just set konsole to beep on event
[00:31] <tomer_p> will beep
[00:31] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> WOW I HATE MY ATI CARD!!!!
[00:32] <tomer_p> nahh that would be too easy i want to do it in C
[00:32] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> my computer is so slow because of it
[00:32] <tomer_p> im a bored programmer and looking for challanges
[00:32] <tomer_p> (non c/c++ coding does not count)
[00:33] <johey> WaltzingAlong: ESSID, Protocol, Mode, Channel, Frequency, Encryption key, Bit Rates, Quality and Extra are all that are there.
[00:33] <Dr_willis_> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  thers some nice low end nvidia cards :)
[00:33] <WaltzingAlong> tomer_p: squash some bugs: http://launchpad.net
[00:33] <dvayanu> next point... my ssh stoped working...
[00:34] <Agent_bob> tomer_p write a configuration tool with an ncurses and qt interfaces that works like knetwork-manager and firestarter  all in one.
[00:34] <Dr_willis_> AT0M1CB0MB3R,   they got a fanless card out now for like $50 ive been looking at for my quite-workstation-media-player pc
[00:34] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: im fed up with my ati card im just gonig to break it in half and
[00:34] <dvayanu> strace shows it hangs in read(12...
[00:34] <snikker> when i go in "systemsettings" --> display, an error message say that's impossible to load the display module... can you help me?
[00:34] <bascule> tomer_p: I have no idea where apt-get source downloads to ... :)
[00:34] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: poor water on it
[00:34] <Dr_willis_> bascule,  i  though it went to the current diretory
[00:34] <Agent_bob> tomer_p something that the network illiterate can use to configure their own server
[00:34] <dvayanu> ssh to a comp in local lan works, ssh from another computer to internet works
[00:35] <WaltzingAlong> johey: ok maybe it is not in that list with wep though i thought it was
[00:35] <bascule> Dr_willis_: it does
[00:35] <dvayanu> only from my gutsy to internet doesnt
[00:35] <bascule> Dr_willis_: thanks .. :)
[00:35] <Agent_bob> bascule /var/cache/apt/archives
[00:35] <tomer_p> well i need to work my way up the food chain
[00:35] <cobello5> hi I am trying to set up guarddog on a ppp0 interface, but when it is activated it stops the connection dead
[00:35] <WaltzingAlong> !info guarddog
[00:35] <ubotu> guarddog: firewall configuration utility for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.5.0-1ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 482 kB, installed size 1436 kB
[00:35] <tomer_p> im very experienced programmer but do not know how to build for debian/ubuntu
[00:35] <dvayanu> oh, i correct myself no outgoing connections work anymore
[00:35] <cobello5> yes i have it already - it was part of my install
[00:35] <Dr_willis_> cobello5,  sounds like its working. :)
[00:36] <cobello5> its not on now
[00:36] <bascule> tomer_p: there are loads of tuts out there, or join #ubuntu-dev
[00:36] <cobello5> its deactivated
[00:36] <Dr_willis_> you just need to enable the holes to allow what you want through.
[00:36] <dvayanu> connect(12, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/tmp/ssh-ZYCNm11189/agent.11189.seahorse"}
[00:36] <johey> edenbeast: Okay, I'm using DHCP. In your file, there is a "wireless_key" with a long hex string. Is that related to the WEP?
[00:36] <cobello5> when I apply it the internet no longer works
[00:36] <edenbeast> johey yes
[00:36] <zhlin> hi
[00:36] <dvayanu> all ssh clients hang shortly after passing this instruction
[00:36] <tomer_p> bascule: thanks will do
[00:36] <zhlin> wow, so many people here
[00:36] <cobello5> when Ive used guardog before internet browsing is already 'opened'
[00:37] <bascule> hi zhlin
[00:37] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: what is better GeForce 7800 GS or GeForce 7600 GT
[00:37] <cobello5> and in the protocols section http is ticked
[00:37] <zhlin> hi bascule
[00:37] <stdin> wtf: please change your nick
[00:37] <johey> edenbeast: I just have this six octets. Can I use that to generate a key in a valid format?
[00:37] <bascule> AT0M1CB0MB3R: google tomsharware VGA charts
[00:37] <bascule> AT0M1CB0MB3R: tomshardware rather sorry
[00:38] <zhlin> where do you guys come from
[00:38] <cobello5> I just bought a really good ati card and the drivers are not really very good
[00:38] <cobello5> shouldve bought nvidia
[00:38] <dvayanu> what is that seahorse btw? every process seems to open it
[00:38] <bascule> zhlin: all sorts of places, I'm UK
[00:38] <Agent_bob> zhlin where are they going may be a better Q
[00:38] <edenbeast> johey you mean like "6b5e45453"
[00:38] <cobello5> anyway - anyone know why guarddog might be stopping my ppp0 ?
[00:38] <zhlin> oh, same yes, cobello5, linux ati driver sucks
[00:38] <cobello5> the correct protocols are 'open'
[00:39] <cobello5> zhlin: i get an intermittent flickering
[00:39] <johey> edenbeast: 00-01-38-a0-ac-9f
[00:39] <cobello5> zhlin: but 3d is working just fine - so cant complain really
[00:39] <zhlin> there's a good tutorial telling you how to do this
[00:40] <cobello5> how to do what?
[00:40] <edenbeast> johey yes that's your key but it's a small one, you use only 64 bit encryption? :-)
[00:40] <zhlin> 3d is fine? then what's your problem?
 zhlin: i get an intermittent flickering
[00:40] <johey> edenbeast: It's providen by my ISP. :)
[00:40] <cobello5> zhlin: not related to video at all
[00:40] <zhlin> ok, show me the link please
[00:40] <cobello5> zhlin: that was just conversation
[00:40] <smax> hi
[00:41] <cobello5> i need help with guarddog, please
[00:41] <edenbeast> johey that's sort of weird, maybe that's your nics' mac address? ;-)
[00:41] <zhlin> no exp about this
[00:41] <cobello5> firestarter hangs when it starts up, so I cant use that
[00:41] <edenbeast> johey but try it, if it doesn't work you'll know
[00:41] <smax> at the kubuntu login screen.  aparently there is an option for konsole log in  via Alt-N.
[00:41] <smax> but it doesent work
[00:41] <werty> how to set up dc++ or where can i find a tutorial?
[00:41] <zhlin> anybody got exp about fvwm?
[00:41] <smax> isn't that false adversizement?
[00:42] <Dr_willis> smax,  you want your money back?
[00:42] <smax> the button to the left of the login prompt.  there is an option of Konsole login.
[00:42] <Agent_bob> (: smax
[00:42] <smax> Dr_willis.  im trying to run nvidia-xconfig but cant get to a console with my new card inserted.
[00:43] <smax> with my new-card inserted i get a black screen when kde is invoked
[00:43] <smax> but i can see the output of dmesg
[00:43] <WaltzingAlong> smax: nvidia-config  ?
[00:43] <magoo> is the synoptics working with kubuntu today
[00:43] <Agent_bob> smax have you tried ctrl+alt+f#  # being 1-6
[00:43] <WaltzingAlong> magoo: kubuntu has a package manager but yes you could use synaptics
[00:43] <cee> how can i start X programs as another user? in the "old days" i just did export DISPLAY=localhost:1 but that dosent work anymore..
[00:43] <smax> it's ctrl-alt-F2 and that only works when the desktop is loaded
[00:43] <zhlin> i suppose there's no girls here, right
[00:43] <WaltzingAlong> hard to tell
[00:44] <smax> Agent_bob: how can i get to the desktop from a black screen in the first place?
[00:44] <nosrednaekim> yup... there is
[00:44] <smax> obviously Alt-N doesent work.
[00:44] <Dr_willis_> cee,  check out the 'sux' command - its handy for that exact job.
[00:44] <johey> edenbeast: When running ifdown eth1 && ifup eth1 it should use my new settings, right?
[00:44] <nosrednaekim> not me ;)
[00:44] <tysonsw> were can I find the buttons to activate compiz?
[00:44] <smax> what else is there to do ?
[00:44] <Dr_willis_> !info sux
[00:44] <ubotu> sux: wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-3.2 (gutsy), package size 8 kB, installed size 64 kB
[00:44] <nosrednaekim> Dr_willis_: that sux.... er rocks!!
[00:44] <stdin> cee: as your user "xhost +LOCAL:" and as the other user "DISPLAY=:0 xapplication" (if :0 is your display)
[00:44] <Agent_bob> smax which are you trying to get to   a console login   or the kde session ?
[00:44] <Dr_willis_> tysonsw,  button? Normally you run 'compiz --replace'
[00:44] <Agent_bob> make up your mind.
[00:44] <smax> Agent_bob: to a konsole session.
[00:45] <tysonsw> Dr_willis_ yes I know.. but how do you  zoom out?
[00:45] <edenbeast> johey eth1 is the name given to an internal network card I don't think that'll be your wireless card, check out its name with iwconfig
[00:45] <smax> how do i boot into a console session with out kde invoking ?
[00:45] <WaltzingAlong> Dr_willis_: unless the icon was installed?
[00:45] <werty> !info dc++
[00:45] <ubotu> Package dc++ does not exist in gutsy
[00:45] <johey> edenbeast: eth1      IEEE 802.11b/g  ESSID:"B2_private_9F"  Nickname:"Broadcom 4311"
[00:45] <Agent_bob> smax add single to the kernel line in grub
[00:45] <Dr_willis_> tysonsw,   i always have to use the ccsm tool to check what keybindings do what...
[00:45] <cobello5> anyone with experience using guarddog and a dial up interface?
[00:45] <edenbeast> johey great then eth1 is your card :-)
[00:45] <Dr_willis_> WaltzingAlong,  ive seen no icon. :)  you could make one easially enough
[00:45] <zhlin> try crtl+alt+f1 in your kdm, Agent_bob
[00:46] <smax> great now i have to learn grub.
[00:46] <Dr_willis_> smax,  alt-ctrl-f1, disable the kdm service
[00:46] <smax> Agent_bob: can you just tell me the path this file resides?
[00:46] <Dr_willis_> smax,  depending on what you are needing to do. :)
[00:46] <smax> f1 ehh?
[00:46] <smax> Dr_willis_: can this work from the login screen?
[00:46] <Dr_willis_> smax,  alt-ctrl-f1 through f6 gets to the consoles.
[00:46] <Agent_bob> zhlin i don't use kdm   and i am running dapper.   and yes alt+ctrl+f# works in kdm in dapper.
[00:46] <Dr_willis_> smax,  try it and see.
[00:46] <smax> ok i'll just go down the list. F1..F6
[00:47] <Dr_willis_> smax,  it works on  most every disrto/livecd/installers even. :)
[00:47] <tysonsw> Dr_willis_ what is a super button?
[00:47] <smax> well usually it's F2.
[00:47] <smax> which didnt work.
[00:47] <Dr_willis_> tysonsw,  thats the Windows Key :)
[00:47] <smax> i'll try the other 5
[00:47] <smax> thanx
[00:47] <cobello5> how about suggesting other iptables-centric channels? (except #iptables of course)
[00:47] <Dr_willis_> smax,  usually? should be one on f1 through F6, F7 gets you back to X.
[00:47] <octo_> anyone here know if  mdraid supports independent reads to different disks in the array, so i can have my sata raid 1 be faster than my crappy IDE drive?
[00:48] <magoo> oh yes that package manager is what i was talking about it had some problems on my machine today
[00:48] <BrightEyes`> are there any tools for configuring the grub boot loader?
[00:48] <cobello5> BrightEyes`: grub is easy to configure
[00:48] <Dr_willis_> Doh! i had my windows key disabled.. :) heh - thats why it wasent working
[00:49] <WaltzingAlong> BrightEyes`: check the online manual
[00:49] <Agent_bob> cobello5 nano ?
[00:49] <cobello5> just look in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[00:49] <edenbeast> BrightEyes`: grub
[00:49] <Dr_willis_> grub is one of those things thats WELL worth learning  about.
[00:49] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> well looks like im getting a new nvidia card :]
[00:49] <Dr_willis_> the grub homepage has very good docs/guide/manual
[00:49] <whyso> hi! i just installed gutsy, but aptitude (and apt get) dont list any packages (even firefox :( )
[00:49] <edenbeast> BrightEyes`: the load process is defined in menu.lst like cobello5 said
[00:49] <Agent_bob> dr_willis worth learning, or not worth using.  i'd say
[00:50] <Agent_bob> pick your take.
[00:50] <edenbeast> I find the hdx,x notation very annoying :-/
[00:50] <cobello5> BrightEyes`: are you having trouble working out how to configure menu.lst
[00:50] <Dr_willis_> tysonsw,  The windows key + mouse wheel zoome in/out for me.
[00:50] <AndyMan1> is it possible (and easy) to encrypt /home on a separate partition when installing kubuntu gutsy?
[00:50] <Dr_willis_> edenbeast,  come up with a better notation then that works in all the os's that grub can use. :)
[00:51] <flick> i just installed kde-core on ubuntu, how do i enable compiz on kubuntu?
[00:51] <cobello5> nyone with experience using guarddog and a dial up interface?
[00:51] <Dr_willis_> !compiz
[00:51] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[00:51] <WaltzingAlong> cobello5: ask google about that
[00:51] <flick> thanks
[00:51] <Dr_willis_> We need to put that in the topic. :)
[00:51] <flick> compiz or not, kde seems much better!
[00:51] <Dr_willis_> save ware on the bot.
[00:51] <Agent_bob> dr_willis  how about the common linux notation
[00:51] <cobello5> WaltzingAlong: been googling for weeks to find the problem
[00:51] <tysonsw> Dr_willis_ what menu in ccsm do I go to to find the command  so I can go from fram to cube?
[00:52] <Dr_willis_> Agent_bob,  grub is NOT just for linux.. thats the point.
[00:52] <tysonsw> Dr_willis_ frame*
[00:52] <cobello5> WaltzingAlong: im a bit of a linux cripple too, i need help
[00:52] <Dr_willis_> Agent_bob,  grub is useavble in   bsd that uses a different notation, its even useable by dos..
[00:52] <Dr_willis_> Agent_bob,  grub devs used that notation to be as concise as they can be.
[00:52] <flick> Dr_willis, thanks, were it not for you i wouldn't have tried KDE :)
[00:52] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> i wish this dock worked for linux http://rocketdock.com/
[00:53] <sub[t]rnl> greets
[00:53] <WaltzingAlong> cobello5: may i ask (and be informed) why you would like to run the firewall anyway? http://www.simonzone.com/software/guarddog/manual2/
[00:53] <nosrednaekim> hey sub[t]rnl
[00:53] <sub[t]rnl> yo
[00:53] <Dr_willis_> tysonsw,  Hmm..  I never use the cube.  it should be right there on the settings. check cube. enabel 4 desktops on the  general tab also.
[00:53]  * Agent_bob wonders how grub is usable in *os*   or by *os* for that matter....
[00:53] <tysonsw> Dr_willis_ what menu in ccsm do I go to to find the command  so I can go from frame to cube?
[00:53] <Dr_willis_> tysonsw,  explore cssm - is the best thing to do.
[00:53] <nosrednaekim> tysonsw: you have to enable the desktop cube
[00:54] <Agent_bob> methinks he meant cant be used to boot *os*
[00:54] <Dr_willis_> the big icon that says 'cube' makes sence to me. :)
[00:54] <sub[t]rnl> call me crazy
[00:54] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[00:54] <flick> is ktorrent the choice for torrent client on kde? i've been using deluge on gnome.
[00:54] <NickPresta> nalioth: you there?
[00:54] <NickPresta> flick: yep. KTorrent is awesome.
[00:55] <[ifr0g]> flick, yes it is.
[00:55] <cobello5> WaltzingAlong: arent you best off with a firewall? I use netbanking and other sensitive stuff
[00:55] <cobello5> WaltzingAlong: (sorry for the delay - children to look after)
[00:55] <tysonsw> nosrednaekim hey again.. it is enabled.. it says that I have to press ctrl-alt-down.. but it won't work
[00:55] <edenbeast> Dr_willis yet it does distinguish between slices and partitions
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> tysonsw: ctrl+alt +right and left arrows
[00:56] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> i wish this dock worked for linux http://rocketdock.com/
[00:56] <cobello5> i have used guarddog before on a adsl style connection with no trouble, it makes iptables quite easy to configure
[00:56] <WaltzingAlong> cobello5: sure it can be a nice layer of protection. just that kubuntu ships with 0 open ports by default. ok so i would suggest pacing yourself through the guide; at one of the screens things seemed a bit backward to me so i was always configured the firewall in the wrong direction
[00:56] <tysonsw> nosrednaekim to activate??
[00:56] <cobello5> i think the problem stems from the kind of internet I have
[00:56] <flick> bye bye, deluge!
[00:56] <edenbeast> Dr_willis the main annoyance with the numbering scheme is having to be very sure which gets counted first and with multiple hds (and with pata, sata and scsi mixed that's a royal pain) it's not always easy. :-)
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> tysonsw: just try it
[00:56] <Dr_willis_> ya know. the Desktop CUBE stuff.. really looks like Poo..on 2+ monitors. :)
[00:57] <WaltzingAlong> !info kooldock | AT0M1CB0MB3R not close enough?
[00:57] <nosrednaekim> bye all!
[00:57] <cobello5> ok, i will look at the guide
[00:57] <ubotu> at0m1cb0mb3r not close enough?: kooldock: Dock for KDE with cool visual enhancements. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-1ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 523 kB, installed size 980 kB
[00:57] <tysonsw> nosrednaekim it won't work
[00:57] <Dr_willis_> edenbeast,  yep. its a complex task. with no easy answer.. Gotten bitten by the "starts at 0" thing also.
[00:57] <tysonsw> Dr_willis_ it wont work T.T
[00:57] <Agent_bob> tysonsw does your ctrl and alt keys work propperly?    i recently found a system that i had to use the "magic sysRQ" combo to get out of normal xorg.   might be worth testing  ctrl+alt+f1 alt+f7  just to make sure.
[00:57] <Dr_willis_> tysonsw,   how ... vague. :)
[00:57] <Oakbox> is there any reason why i cant select the "raise on click" checkbox in compiz?
[00:57] <cobello5> before I do though - let me explain my internet, it is a wireless modem that connects to broadband internet like a cell phone
[00:58] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> WaltzingAlong: but it acts up on me
[00:58] <Dr_willis_> Oakbox,  check that howto - in the troubleshooting part at the end
[00:58] <Dr_willis_> Oakbox,  i added that info just today. :)
[00:58] <cobello5> but the modem is not automatically recognised by kubuntu and the ppp0 interface never appears in network manager
[00:58] <Dr_willis_> !compiz
[00:58] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[00:58] <tysonsw> Agent_bob yes they work
[00:58] <Oakbox> Dr_willis_
[00:58] <Agent_bob> k
[00:58] <Oakbox> oops
[00:58] <Dr_willis_> Oakbox,  Under Kubuntu, some settings in the Compiz Settings Manager may not be selectable unless you enable the "Flat-File Configuration Backend" Under the CCSM tool -> Preferances -> (Backend drop down menu)
[00:58] <Oakbox> Dr_willis_: ta
[00:59] <cobello5> although it does show in ifconfic (of course)
[00:59] <johey> edenbeast and WaltzingAlong: When running sudo iwlist keys, I get one line that says "[1]: 0001-38A0-AC9F-0000-0000-0000-00 (104 bits)". I've tried to use that key (with some variations, like wasting the dashes) as wireless-key, but it won't work. How should I configure it?
[00:59] <Max-P> Hi, I have a BIG problem with my video driver
[00:59] <Dr_willis_> Oakbox,  guess i should put that info under the 'configure' heading? :)
[00:59] <edenbeast> johey that's a strange key :-/
[00:59] <Max-P> Can someone help me?
[01:00] <edenbeast> johey are you able to setup a new key in your router as well?
[01:00] <smax> hi
[01:00] <johey> edenbeast: No, this is hard coded into my modem. It's not even a router.
[01:00] <Oakbox> Dr_willis_: ta muchly you have been a great help :) it would probably be better there yep.
[01:00] <smax> ctrl-alt F1 doesent work with the nvidia card inserted.
[01:00] <edenbeast> johey oh I see :-/
[01:00] <smax> can someone just tell me the line of  grub to provide an option for console login?
[01:01] <smax> and the path to the grub config file.
[01:01] <Dr_willis_> Oakbox,  but is it a bug.. that might get fixed :) or not.. hard to justify heh..
[01:01] <Max-P> Do someone know how to RESET the Video driver? It was working correctly until I tried to plug my TV on my laptop
[01:01] <WaltzingAlong> smax: /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[01:01] <smax> thnx
[01:01] <flick> where is the configuration for config? the site says "And for Kubuntu: KMenu > Settings > CompizConfig Settings Manager" but there is no CompizConfig in Settings (i have installed compiz-kde)
[01:01] <Oakbox> Dr_willis_: true
[01:01] <WaltzingAlong> smax: and when starting grub, press esc to get the menu then the onscreen should tell you how to get a prompt (c i think it is)
[01:01] <Dr_willis_> flick,  i just run ccsm from a terminal
[01:02] <Dr_willis_> flick,  i see an 'advanced dekstop effects settings' thats it. :)
[01:02] <Oakbox> flick: its called "Advanced Desktop Effects Settings" on my comp...
[01:02] <Dr_willis_> dont ask me WHY theres so many names for it.
[01:03] <Dr_willis_> or who even came up with that one. :)
[01:03] <edenbeast> anybody know what/where I need to change anything so I can drag my windows from 1 desktop to the other?
[01:03] <cobello5> OK it was simple in the end
[01:03] <cobello5> dns was blocked by default - weird
[01:03] <Linusx> Hey guys, I'll admit not fishing for myself... but somebody here ought to know off top of their head.  Will feisty run on an old 350 mhz slot loader iMac? (384 megs RAM)
[01:04] <WaltzingAlong> edenbeast: kmenu/system settings/window behavior/advanced/ active desktop borders
[01:04] <edenbeast> that's a G4 right?
[01:04] <Dr_willis_> Linusx,  ive had issues with those.. but it Should work.
[01:05] <Linusx> no, its a G3
[01:05] <Dr_willis_> Linusx,  not tried it in over a year however.
[01:05] <Dr_willis_> Linusx,  you may want to use the xubuntu variant.
[01:05] <Linusx> what issues Doc?
[01:06] <edenbeast> WaltzingAlong: yes, that's kind of the thing: I don't have activeborder :-/
[01:06] <Dr_willis_> Linusx,  console was shifted over about 4 characters.. never did find a fix for that.
[01:06] <Dr_willis_> And for Kubuntu: KMenu > Settings > CompizConfig Settings Manager or KMenu > Settings > Advanced Desktop Effects Settings
[01:06] <Dr_willis_> There we go.. BOTH entrys are in the wiki page now
[01:06] <WaltzingAlong> edenbeast: but you can enable it there. i have it enabled only when i am moving the windows
[01:06] <edenbeast> WaltzingAlong: or you mean that "only when moving setting" ? :-)
[01:06] <flick> Dr_willis, Oakbox where is advanced desktop effect settings in the K-Menu?
[01:06] <edenbeast> k great thx
[01:07] <Dr_willis_> flick,  at the top of the settings menu
[01:07] <Dr_willis_> flick,  if you just isntalled the packages - the menus may not be updated yet
[01:07] <Dr_willis_> flick,  use alt-f2 and run ccsm :)
[01:07] <WaltzingAlong> edenbeast: welcome
[01:07] <flick> Dr_willis, i see, thanks i ran ccsm from Konsole :)
[01:08] <Dr_willis_> and yes.. ccsm is one of the WORSE names i can think of for a new tool to use...
[01:08] <edenbeast> it has one of the worst UIs ever too
[01:08] <Dr_willis_> guess they dident want 'compiz-config' or compiz-setting-manager
[01:08] <WaltzingAlong> flick: kbuildsycoca to build the menus now
[01:08] <Dr_willis_> edenbeast,  yep.. its a complex interface..
[01:08] <flick> one more thing, in ubuntu (gnome) the xchat window would hilight if someone msged me... but that's not happening in kubuntu - how can i turn it on?
[01:08] <edenbeast> just plain ugly :P
[01:08] <fignew_> Linusx: I run Debian with KDE on my 233mhz iMac
[01:08] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> [ifr0g]: whats your channel again
[01:08] <Dr_willis_> ive seen MUCH worse :)
[01:09] <edenbeast> it's something you'd think RMS designed ;-)
[01:09] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> [ifr0g]: pm me it
[01:09] <Dr_willis_> They could be using some sort of Tree view with +'s all over
[01:09] <[ifr0g]> lol
[01:09] <Linusx> BTW, Where can the system info be found?  (similar to Apple System Profiler)
[01:09] <bascule> edenbeast: I think it's OK
[01:09] <Dr_willis_> flick,  it does it here for me under kde/xchat
[01:09] <WaltzingAlong> Linusx: i have kubuntu 7.04 on an amd k6-3 400mhz w/ about 192mb ram
[01:09] <Oakbox> when using compiz can i still use things like kde appearance system settings or does it all have to be done through emerald or somthing similar?
[01:09] <bascule> WaltzingAlong: are you serious?
[01:10] <WaltzingAlong> bascule: sure
[01:10] <Dr_willis_> Oakbox,  it depends.. :)
[01:10] <fignew_> Linusx: depends on what type of system info you want
[01:10] <Dr_willis_> Oakbox,  you are using Emerald themes - not kde themes for the window borders
[01:10] <bascule> WaltzingAlong: 192mb, thats gotta be nasty
[01:10] <WaltzingAlong> bascule: works rather well actually. of course i turned off the sound noticifications and gui effects
[01:10] <Oakbox> Dr_willis_: yes im am
[01:10] <BluesKaj> with fluxbox such a setup would prolly run even faster WaltzingAlong
[01:10] <bascule> yeah, but this thing uses >200 on a clean boot with nothing going
[01:10] <WaltzingAlong> bascule: though the computer i am on now has more than that. 16mb video card so it works fine enough
[01:11] <WaltzingAlong> BluesKaj: sure and it does
[01:11] <Linusx> fignew: Looking for RAM, general MISC info like hard drive space use etc.
[01:11] <flick> Dr_willis, are you using xchat or a special version for kde?
[01:11] <Dr_willis_> Oakbox,  thats part of the 'rough spots' of the whole compiz+kde   integeration.
[01:11] <Dr_willis_> flick,  nope Just apt-get install xchat
[01:11] <BluesKaj> I ran dapper on 233 mhz MMX for a while , worked ok
[01:11] <Dr_willis_> flick,  check your xchat settings perhaps.
[01:11] <BluesKaj> 128 Ram
[01:11] <Dr_willis_> I ran dapper on a Pent 1 100,  64mb laptop! :)
[01:12] <bascule> yikes
[01:12] <BluesKaj> hehe
[01:12] <Dr_willis_> took like 3 hrs to install... 1x cdrom
[01:12] <Oakbox> Dr_willis_: sorry im sure you get board of the constant questions :) hopefully one day i will be able to help answer some questions as well.  I find that some of the KDE stuff crashes if i use it...
[01:12] <Linusx> BluesKaj:  I'd like to confirm somebody ran it on an old AIO iMac if possible before giving it a shot.  Thanks
[01:12] <Dr_willis_> Oakbox,  compiz is very much a work in progess.. thats why kubuntu dident install it by default.
[01:12] <Dr_willis_> Oakbox,  you gotta decide.. eye candy..or stability.. :)
[01:13] <WaltzingAlong> with several computers on a lan behind a router/gateway i quickly realized the benefit of apt-cacher and the like
[01:13] <Oakbox> Dr_willis_: totaly understand. :)
[01:13] <Dr_willis_> WaltzingAlong,  thats still on my todo list! :)
[01:13] <Max-P> Can someone help me with my VIDEO problem??? Need to reset video to defaults
[01:13] <cobello5> can i copy a module from one computer to another, or does it need to be compiled in?
[01:13] <flick> Dr_willis, i'm using xchat... and just checked the settings, it is alright as far as i can tell - has blink traybar icon on message
[01:13] <bascule> same kernel same compiler you will be ok cobello5
[01:13] <bascule> other wise rebuild time
[01:14] <cobello5> bascule: if kernel version is different?
[01:14] <bascule> rebuild
[01:14] <WaltzingAlong> Dr_willis_: :D and i send apt-cacher through squid anyway! though i look forward to apt-torrent or whatever it will be called if such a thing materializes for 8.04
[01:14] <cobello5> doh
[01:14] <edenbeast> cobello if it's a minor version then it should probably work
[01:14] <bascule> edenbeast: it can be forced but it will compplain
[01:14] <cobello5> i have kubuntu here and sees my zydas chipset usb wireless adapter, ubuntu in other room doesnt run the same adapter
[01:15] <fignew_> Linusx: theres various utilities that you can run from the command line... "free" for memory usage "df -h" for HD usage... etc... there's also graphical apps.
[01:15] <cobello5> i installed an older kernel on my kubuntu tho
[01:16] <seriekrock> is it possible to find drivers for a lexmark x8350?
[01:16] <cobello5> how do i add the module to the other computer if it doesnt have internet?
[01:16] <Dr_willis_> seriekrock,  check the cups.org site to see how supported that printer is.
[01:16] <cobello5> the modules are kernel specific I guess?
[01:17] <Linusx> fignew:  Not familiar with command line yet.  (Still a noob) Would be great to either get used to commandline or find a gui app.
[01:17] <tekstacy> adept only opens in read-only mode, says another process is using the database. But I can't find that process. Any ideas?
[01:18] <Dr_willis_> !aptfix
[01:18] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[01:18] <tekstacy> Dr_willis_, Thanks!
[01:19] <WaltzingAlong> cobello5: usb stick? network? cdrw? floppy? hd transfer?
[01:19] <SeanTater> I have one package I don't want upgraded (ffmpeg), will that affect whether or not adept will upgrade my distro?
[01:20] <cobello5> WaltzingAlong: lol - I get that bit but what do I take over there, a deb file from somewhere?
[01:20] <cobello5> does it have to be for the exact kernel version
[01:20] <WaltzingAlong> cobello5: what would you be installing? nvidia or such?
[01:21] <cobello5> no, the module for the zydas wireless device I use here
[01:21] <edenbeast> SeanTater: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html (section 3.10)
[01:21] <cobello5> do I just look for a tarball of the device module?
[01:21] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> how do i install kxdocker
[01:21] <Dr_willis_> !info kxdocker
[01:21] <ubotu> Package kxdocker does not exist in gutsy
[01:22] <cobello5> actually that wouldnt work
[01:22] <tomer_p> anyone recommend a good
[01:22] <cobello5> it would have to be a deb
[01:22] <Dr_willis_> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  use the soruce if its not in the repos. or see if their homepage has a deb for gutsy
[01:22] <tomer_p> wysywig html editor for kubinutu
[01:22] <cobello5> since the comp doesnt have devs files
[01:22] <Dr_willis_> !find docker
[01:22] <ubotu> Found: docker, kdocker
[01:22] <flick> hi, when i restarted the comp, i see a black window called 'Adept Notifier' what is that?
[01:22] <bascule> tomer_p: quanta -> kdewebdev
[01:22] <Max-P> Howcan I reset the video settings to defaults
[01:22] <Dr_willis_> Max-P,  you mean your X display settings?
[01:23] <Max-P> Maybe
[01:23] <Dr_willis_> !fixres
[01:23] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:24] <Max-P> I will try
[01:24] <edenbeast> am I the only one that needs to restart kd when adding a panel or adding buttons to a panel and such?
[01:26] <tomer_p> ok i installed kdewebdev
[01:26] <tomer_p> how to run it?
[01:26] <tomer_p> kdewebdev on command line doesnt work
[01:27] <SeanTater> edenbeast: Thank you, and I might use that, but that's not precisely the issue. Adept is not giving me any dialog telling me I can upgrade after I press "Fetch Updates".
[01:28] <edenbeast> SeanTater: oh :-/  try the cli? "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[01:28] <Chousuke> sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[01:28] <flick> is there a task manager?
[01:28] <joejoe1234> Installed kubuntu (gutsy) but the default file manager changed to dolphin. I like very much kfmclient (konqueror) but cannot figure out where to change the default back to kfmclient. Some hints?
[01:29] <WaltzingAlong> ctrl+esc flick or ksysguard
[01:29] <WaltzingAlong> joejoe1234: sure thing!
[01:29] <bobesponja> hi
[01:29] <flick> WaltzingAlong, thanks!
[01:29] <WaltzingAlong> joejoe1234: same here but for konqueror in place of dolphin http://sathyasays.com/?p=23
[01:29] <SeanTater> edenbeast: Okay --  I don't I just figured adept would change the repos and stuff for me, especially seeing that I did not find any upgrade notes anywhere else. So I just need to change every instance of "feisty" to "gutsy" right?
[01:29] <bobesponja> I'm trying to use my SIP phone but I get a message saying that port 5060 is already in use, is there a way to free that port or to know what application is using it?
[01:29] <edenbeast> SeanTater: yes that would work :-)
[01:29] <SeanTater> edenbeast: thanks
[01:30] <tomer_p> bascule: apt-get install kdewebdev gave me nothing i can run
[01:31] <tomer_p> only some gz files that do not open
[01:31] <WaltzingAlong> bobesponja: yes but i cannot recall it just now. man netstat may tell you
[01:31] <tomer_p> can the Konversation window be made to beep when a message inteded to you comes in?
[01:31] <joejoe1234> WaltzingAlong: Ok. Tks. One last question... there is some way for dolphin to work with tabs (each one at a different folder)?
[01:32] <bascule> tomer_p: just quanta
[01:32] <NickPresta> !compiz
[01:32] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[01:32] <dvayanu> how can i find out why ssh (client) hangs
[01:32] <WaltzingAlong> joejoe1234: as far as i know no
[01:32] <tomer_p> ok found the beep thing never mind
[01:33] <joejoe1234> WaltzingAlong: tks very much!
[01:33] <tomer_p> tomer_p: test
[01:33] <edenbeast> dvayanu: add -vvv  :-)
[01:33] <bobesponja> WaltzingAlong: netstat -anp |grep 5060
[01:33] <tomer_p> tomer_p: test
[01:33] <flick> even though i see 4 desktops, i can only switch to 2 of them, and all 4 show the tooltip 'Desktop 1'
[01:34] <dvayanu> debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received
[01:34] <dvayanu> is last
[01:34] <edenbeast> flick are you running compiz?
[01:34] <flick> edenbeast, yeah
[01:35] <edenbeast> flick compiz doesn't use more than 1 desktop but it uses virtual workspaces, adjust vertical workspaces or something :-)
[01:35] <flick> also compiz switcher shows a lot many blank window icons
[01:35] <edenbeast> flick vertical or horizontal but I thought it was vertical (look for it in the ccsm application)
[01:35] <flick> ok
[01:36] <edenbeast> flick and set your desktops bck to 1
[01:37] <robert__> hello?
[01:37] <dvayanu> edenbeast: interesting, if i login from another computer to mine, from this shell i can ssh whereever i want to
[01:37] <bascule> is there away of *permanently* disabling that awful bell sound in konsole ...
[01:37] <tekteen> yes
[01:37] <johey> edenbeast: Now I think I have managed to set the key. However, when running iwconfig, I get "Access Point: Invalid". Do you know how to solve this?
[01:37] <edenbeast> settings/configure notifications
[01:38] <tekteen> settings > bell > none
[01:38] <bascule> ah there
[01:38] <tekteen> settings > save as default
[01:38] <bascule> tekteen: no, open a new tab, right back annoying the life out of me ...
[01:38] <tekteen> save as default
[01:38] <bascule> tekteen: had to restart it
[01:38] <tekteen> ok
[01:38] <bascule> that was why
[01:38] <bascule> :))
[01:39] <bascule> better now
[01:39] <tekteen> ok
[01:39] <tekteen> cool
[01:39] <robert__> I have a keyboard mapping question too.
[01:39] <edenbeast> johey if you copied my lines ad verbatim then you will see the ap line at the bottom, that specifies an accesspoint, obviously you don't have my accesspoint here :-) so omit that line
[01:40] <johey> edenbeast: A-ha! AP is access point. Smart. :=)
[01:40] <edenbeast> johey: wireless_ap 00:0F:3D:86:E2:4C  <-- make sure it's not there or that your own ap's mac is filled in
[01:40] <edenbeast> johey so just erase that line or comment it out by preceding it with a #
[01:42] <UnluckyMike> does kubuntu treat /etc/network/interfaces the same as ubuntu does?
[01:42] <johey> edenbeast: Actually, I did not put in that line, so it was omited. However, I do have the mac address of my access point. When putting it in, it still says invalid.
[01:42] <edenbeast> johey: then I don't immediately know either, sorry :-/
[01:43] <johey> edenbeast: Okay. Might be a driver problem then. :/ Thanks alot for your support, anyway!
[01:43] <edenbeast> johey is the essid set correctly?
[01:44] <flick> titlebars for all the windows have disappeared
[01:44] <flick> probably as a result of my initiating scale (compiz, default shortcut is Ctrl+Alt+Up i think)
[01:45] <flick> how do i disable compiz?
[01:45] <johey> edenbeast: Yes, it looks like that.
[01:45] <seriekrock> flick, you have to install emerald
[01:46] <flick> i have emerald already installed
[01:46] <dvayanu> edenbeast: manually removing the ssh-seahorse directory from tmp solved the issue
[01:46] <dvayanu> ssh-ZYCNm11189/
[01:46] <seriekrock> flick:  what do you have installed?
[01:48] <edenbeast> flick kwin --replace && killall kicker && pause 5 & kicker &   should do the trick I believe
[01:48] <wikipedia> hi
[01:48] <Agent_bob> hmmm mouse problem.  no worky with 2.4 kernel.   should work though, it's standard ps/2 two button.
[01:48] <tomer_p> yo the upgrade wizard isnt coming up on adept
[01:48] <wikipedia> ppl
[01:48] <flick> i followed the link for installing compiz on kubuntu in the ubuntu site, i have all the packages that it asked me to install
[01:48] <seriekrock> yo
[01:48] <wikipedia> hehehe
[01:49] <wikipedia> i use ubuntu
[01:49] <tomer_p> never mind found it
[01:49] <Agent_bob> wikipedia you use ubuntu ?
[01:49] <flick> edenbeast, thanks...
[01:50] <edenbeast> flick if you can't summon up a consle, drop to a tty and precede it with DISPLAY=":0.0"
[01:50] <flick> edenbeast, i did it on Alt+F2
[01:51] <tomer_p> ok its updating to 7.10
[01:51] <johey> edenbeast: Finally! :D Strange thing this one. iwlist scan helped me to find out that the mac address I got from my ISP is wrong. With the mac address output of iwlist, it works! :D
[01:51] <edenbeast> flick ok great, does it work? :-)
[01:51] <tomer_p> thisd better work smoothly or im switching back to windoz xp
[01:51] <edenbeast> johey great :D
[01:51] <flick> yeah works great! now the xchat blinks the taskbar too
[01:51] <Agent_bob> tomer_p sorry to hear that.
[01:51] <edenbeast> johey mac addresses can be changed
[01:51] <flick> pity though, i wanted to use compiz... guess i have to do without the eye-candy
[01:52] <tomer_p> just kidding
[01:52] <tomer_p> so will 7.10 give me a 3d desktop
[01:52] <tomer_p> with those nice kubes?
[01:52] <johey> edenbeast: That might be what has happened.
[01:52] <wikipedia> i've realized that actually i'm good with people
[01:52] <wikipedia> people are attracted to me
[01:52] <wikipedia> i've realized that i'm actually good with people.
[01:53] <wikipedia> that's good
[01:53] <edenbeast> ^^ ice-cream cone maybe? ;-)
[01:53] <Agent_bob> :)
[01:53] <flick> the problems i am facing with compiz could be because i used gnome before switching to kde
[01:54] <seriekrock> wikipedia: uuh?
[01:54] <wikipedia> ?
[01:54] <edenbeast> flick did you get compiz-kde?
[01:54] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> how come my computer is running so slow
[01:54] <flick> edenbeast, yeah
[01:54] <tomer_p> ok all im starting the upgrade to 7.10 so i have to go now. i know you will miss me but i hope ill be back soon after the upgrade is done
[01:54] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> linux is supposed to be fast right?
[01:54] <edenbeast> flick do sudo apt-get --purge remove compiz* and then apt-get install it again maybe?
[01:55] <wikipedia> people should be saved from the misery of the burden of life created by few in power
[01:55] <wikipedia> us, common people, are changed through time from good to bad, because of pressures of life
[01:55] <wikipedia> we are forced to use fake common sense and follow fake customs
[01:55] <seriekrock> AT0M1CB0MB3R: bad computer? :-P
[01:55] <edenbeast> AT0M1CB0MB3R: it sure is, it's a version 2.6 already, while windows has only just gained XP by discovering new vistas ;-)
[01:55] <Agent_bob> we are off topic too
[01:55] <flick> edenbeast, will try that
[01:56] <edenbeast> I wonder if that wikipedia responds to !commands
[01:56] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> seriekrock: not bad computer
[01:56] <wikipedia> often i sense people are decent, yet they are prohibited from being good
[01:56] <Agent_bob> lol edenbeast
[01:56] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> edenbeast: i meant my computer is running slow and i have no idea why
[01:56] <seriekrock> AT0M1CB0MB3R: reinstall?
[01:57] <edenbeast> AT0M1CB0MB3R: it could be that that throttle program is on, the one that throttles back your computer to make your fan go more silent
[01:57] <wikipedia> prohibited by those few in power
[01:57] <edenbeast> forgot the name :-/
[01:57] <edenbeast> ah
[01:57] <edenbeast> powernowd
[01:57] <Agent_bob> wikipedia enough.   they wont let me preach in here so you don't get too either.
[01:57] <edenbeast> AT0M1CB0MB3R: do sudo /etc/init.d/powernowd stop and see if that helps :-)
[01:58] <wikipedia> because from them emanates rules of life that really should not be followed
[01:58] <flick> removed and purged compiz, compiz-kde, then added compiz-kde back, finally ran compiz --replace
[01:58] <flick> no problems so far!
[01:58] <edenbeast> flick don't forget emerald
[01:58] <wikipedia> innoncence of babes are lost forever and real common sense is lost.
[01:58] <flick> edenbeast, didn't purge it
[01:58] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> edenbeast: what is powernowd
[01:58] <Agent_bob> !offtopic > wikipedia
[01:58] <Agent_bob> !offtopic > wikipedia
[01:58] <Agent_bob> !offtopic > wikipedia
[01:58] <Agent_bob> !offtopic > wikipedia
[01:59] <wikipedia> i will help others in need and break the chain of command.
[01:59] <edenbeast> AT0M1CB0MB3R: it's something that throttles back your CPU so it produces less heat == less fan action needed, thus less sound, ubuntu has it on by default I believe
[01:59] <wikipedia> i will bring back decency back into the world. amen.
[01:59] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> !offtopic | wikipedia
[01:59] <ubotu> wikipedia: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[01:59] <DaSkreech> Agent_bob: Don't spam him
[01:59] <edenbeast> I'm pretty sure wikipedia is a bot
[02:00] <DaSkreech> edenbeast: Sadly no
[02:00] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> edenbeast: so why disable it it sounds good
[02:00] <Agent_bob> DaSkreech don't spam him ?  heh.
[02:00] <DaSkreech> Agent_bob: try !ops
[02:00] <wikipedia> because from them emanates rules of life that really should not be followed
[02:00] <Agent_bob> DaSkreech you try it.
[02:00] <DaSkreech> !ops
[02:00] <edenbeast> oh so he'll actually notice when you do a /msg spam bomb? :P
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[02:01] <wikipedia> edenbeast, i am human while you are not.
[02:02] <edenbeast> it is true, I cometh from the 6th circle. :P
[02:02] <stdin> DaSkreech: what's going on?
[02:02] <DaSkreech> A misunderstanding
[02:02] <CPrgmSwR2> Is there a way to get rid of the pckage manager constantly asking me to upgrade to gutsy?
[02:03] <DaSkreech> wikipedia was spamming gospel into the channel
[02:03] <DaSkreech> CPrgmSwR2: Not currentyl
[02:03] <stdin> mmk
[02:03] <johey_> In Gutsy, kopete chrashes when I'm connecting to MSN. Is that a known one, or is it just me?
[02:03] <CPrgmSwR2> DaSkreech: is this a bug?
[02:03] <DaSkreech> stdin: I was showing someone how to call for ops and ljl thought I was tricking them and removed me
[02:03] <edenbeast> 1 app I like a lot better than the kde version is the terminal services client that the regular ubuntu has, it's way better in terms of options
[02:03] <DaSkreech>  the offender has been warned and removed so it's good now
[02:04] <edenbeast> unless I missed it I don't think the kde version allows you to latch on to the console for instance :-/
[02:04] <stdin> DaSkreech: the person you were showing already knows about it (he's intelikeys alter-ego)
[02:05] <flick> edenbeast, thanks
[02:05] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> edenbeast: thanks my computer is running way better
[02:05] <NickPresta> !find pidgin > NickPresta
[02:05] <wikipedia> i want to help my family
[02:05] <DaSkreech> stdin: Well he was spamming
[02:05] <stdin> johey_: 32 or 64bit ?
[02:05] <LjL> DaSkreech: sorry, i've been too impulsive. !ops abuse gets on my nerves - i apologize
[02:05] <johey_> stdin: 64.
[02:05] <edenbeast> AT0M1CB0MB3R: well it basically cuts your processing power in half :-)
[02:06] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> edenbeast: i dont care about that
[02:06] <DaSkreech> LjL: I understand I can imagine being on the other end
[02:06] <stdin_> i want to help my family
[02:06] <stdin> DaSkreech: I suspect it was probably a bug in his client (has happened before)
[02:06] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> stdin_: who cares?
[02:06] <stdin> johey_: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.8-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb < install that to fix
[02:07] <flick> konqueror or firefox?
[02:07] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> LjL: all he has to do is reset his modem
[02:07] <LjL> AT0M1CB0MB3R: any better suggestion?
[02:07] <DaSkreech> stdin: That prays for our salvation? :)
[02:07] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> LjL: as long as hes gone :]
[02:07] <stdin> AT0M1CB0MB3R: to answer your question, me, so there
[02:08] <edenbeast> somebody really needs to invent punchOverIP
[02:08] <stdin> AT0M1CB0MB3R: forgot the ':p' at the end
[02:08] <edenbeast> it would make a game like counterstrike more interesting too ;-)
[02:08] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> LjL i wish you could ban his mac address or hardware
[02:08] <LjL> AT0M1CB0MB3R: unfortunately that's not possible
[02:09] <NickPresta> this reminds me of the bash.org quote about stabbing people through IRC. lol
[02:09] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> yeah
[02:09] <johey_> stdin: Very nice. It works. Thanks! :)
[02:09] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> what about his eprom LjL
[02:10] <LjL> :)
[02:11] <NickPresta> Is there any application which will remove menu entries for applications which are no longer installed?
[02:12] <mike-kubuntu> hey, all my sdl games the keyboard and mouse import is messed up
[02:12] <mike-kubuntu> the mouse is stuck as moving down, the keboard is stuck on pressing right
[02:13] <Oakbox> im having a bit of trouble getting amarok to use my Audigy sound card as a default, can anyone point me in the right direction?
[02:13] <DaSkreech> Oakbox: Do you need the onboard sound?
[02:14] <Oakbox> DaSkreech: not realy no
[02:14] <gameforge> I did the impossible: I got compiz and emerald to work on Kubuntu Gutsy with an ATI radeon.
[02:14] <gameforge> Finally...
[02:14] <DaSkreech> Oakbox: disable it in BIOS
[02:14] <NickPresta> gameforge: congrats :)
[02:14] <Oakbox> DaSkreech: ;) that would work thanks :) hehe
[02:14] <gameforge> thx :)
[02:14] <mike-kubuntu> Oakbox: lots of times you need to disable the onboard for windows as well
[02:16] <[Relic]> any idea why firestarter just crashes?   I look and it is gone again  :(
[02:17] <xipietotec> anyone notice that the kde4 packages in us.archive are broken?
[02:18] <NickPresta> xipietotec: nope. What's broken about them?
[02:18] <[Relic]> more important question, why isn't firefox seeing java is installed
[02:19] <xipietotec> NickPresta, kde4addons contains a file which is also in kde4base, and kde4addons depends on kde4base, so they error out and wont install
[02:19] <flick> is xchat the preferred irc client for KDE, or is there a kchat?
[02:19] <NickPresta> flick: Konversation, I believe
[02:19] <NickPresta> and [Relic] have you restarted Firefox since you installed Java?
[02:19] <edenbeast> yes Koonversation, it's under the internet menu
[02:19] <DaSkreech> !irc
[02:19] <ubotu> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[02:20] <stdin> flick: konversation is the default in kubuntu (pre-installed)
[02:20] <[Relic]> NickPresta, yep I will try uninstalling and reinstalling to check it
[02:20] <gameforge> So how do I solve the taskbar issue with compiz on KDE?  I.e. instead of all progs showing up on all desktops, only have the ones on the current desktop?
[02:21] <NickPresta> gameforge: right click on your taskbar > configure > Taskbar: do you have "Show windows from all screens" ticked off?
[02:22] <crazy_bus> in all the past releases of kubuntu when I opened something in firefox from akregator it would just open.  But not in gutsy I have to click twice on akregator after each page to put the focus back on it.  Why is this?
[02:22] <gameforge> Hold on, I'll check
[02:23] <gameforge> It's unchecked
[02:23] <NickPresta> gameforge: try checking it.
[02:23] <gameforge> OK, I tried checking it, hit apply and closed, spun the cube... still get all programs on all desktops
[02:24] <NickPresta> gameforge: hmm. no idea then. Perhaps someone else will have an answer for you shortly
[02:24] <stdin> gameforge: it's a compiz bug, well known and old
[02:24] <edenbeast> well there's noly 1 'desktop' as far as compiz is concerned :-/
[02:25] <gameforge> Yeah I remember having the issue with beryl ages ago - seems to me there was a KDE taskbar alternative somewhere, but I can't find it now
[02:25] <Oakbox> Dr_willis_: hi, erm i just reboted and it loaded up compiz automaticaly :S
[02:25] <NickPresta> gameforge: well, I've been using Beryl for a while now and it's never gave me any problems. CF on the other hand, didn't handle my twinview setup properly. I don't know what to say...
[02:26] <BigDaddy> well, I have spent several hours in Gutsy. So far all the crash problems I had are gone.
[02:27] <BigDaddy> Even got my /home moved to a seperate partition
[02:28] <flick> kicker taskbar buttons no longer flash on highlight after i installed compiz
[02:28] <NickPresta> flick: yeah, that happened to me too. I don't know of a fix.
[02:30] <DaSkreech> BigDaddy: \o/
[02:30] <sparr> the new kernel seems very gaming-friendly
[02:30] <BluesKaj> BigDaddy, very cool :)
[02:31] <[Relic]> this is weird, I installed the java runtime, but it keeps saying I need to install java, does that mean I just need to mozilla plugin?  or is there something else I am missing?
[02:31] <BluesKaj> I never bothered with a seperate partition for /home ...I guess I should but i din't have much luck saving my settings the last time i tried it
[02:32] <jpwhiting> hi all, anyone here got nvidia drivers to load after getting unknown symbol messages when trying?
[02:32] <Oakbox> jpwhiting: sorry nv installed fine for me
[02:33] <jpwhiting> Oakbox: nv works for me too, but I'd like to use nvidia, as it usually has better performance for me
[02:33] <stdin> [Relic]: have you installed sun-java6-plugin ?
[02:33] <NickPresta> jpwhiting: I use nvidia and it worked flawlessly after installing from restricted-manager
[02:34] <jpwhiting> I get messages like unknown symbol fb_dcc_read, etc.
[02:34] <jpwhiting> ok, I'll try from there
[02:34] <werty> hi
[02:34] <NickPresta> jpwhiting: uninstall any nvidia driver you have, then use the restricted-manager. give that a shot
[02:34] <Oakbox> jpwhiting: oops i did mean nvidia didnt know there was an nv as well... (shows my age in linux i suppose)
[02:34] <NickPresta> hi, werty
[02:34] <jpwhiting> :)
[02:34] <jpwhiting> k, cool, I'll try that next
[02:35] <BluesKaj> installing java-common as well, solves quite a few probs
[02:35] <werty> what is better and why guarddog or firestarter?
[02:36] <Oakbox> does anyone have the little update icon floating in a window that you cant close and not in the taskbar?
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> Oakbox: in XGL/compiz? yeah
[02:36] <Oakbox> nosrednaekim: im using compiz yeah
[02:37] <DaSkreech> werty:
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> Oakbox: yeah... it sometimes happens... i'm not quite sure why
[02:37] <DaSkreech> the one you like better
[02:38] <werty> i mean firestarter controls the protocols and the other one the ports....
[02:38] <werty> i think...
[02:38] <Oakbox> nosrednaekim: ok, :) as long as its not me...  while i have your attention though :P i was told when installing compiz and running compiz --replace it would only run compiz untill i reboot...  well i did that and compiz is still running :S
[02:39] <NickPresta> Oakbox: it's probably because you have logged in and your session was restored...
[02:39] <DaSkreech> Oakbox: KDE?
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> NickPresta: +1
[02:39] <Oakbox> DaSkreech: yep
[02:39] <DaSkreech> Oakbox: It remembers what programs you had running and restores them when you login
[02:39] <DaSkreech> Much easier than Gnome
[02:40] <Oakbox> NickPresta: ok how do i do it without it reloading it :)
[02:40] <[Relic]> yay!  firestarter gave me an error, not sure what it means yet, but at least I have something to work with
[02:40] <DaSkreech> Oakbox: If you want it to stop just load back up kwin and then logout
[02:40] <NickPresta> Oakbox: at the login screen, click on the menu icon and select "KDE" instead of "Default (previous)"
[02:40] <Oakbox> DaSkreech: i did look at gnome but i have only just learnt what all the apps are in KDE :) hehe
[02:41] <werty> how does firestarter determines which ports to allow?
[02:41] <DaSkreech> Well if you were worried that compiz had become selfaware and was watching you to plt your wobble of death.. rest at ease
[02:41] <DaSkreech>  KDE is just owrking to make your life easier
[02:41] <DaSkreech> Working
[02:41] <edenbeast> anyone else having a problem with videos when using xv as the output driver? after a few videos the image turns a greensih distortion and it won't go away regard less of the player used.
[02:41] <Oakbox> Ta muchly. hehe
[02:41] <[Relic]> ok to post an error line?
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> edenbeast: are you running XGL?
[02:42] <vbgunz> someone please help. I've spent the last couple hours rebooting trying to automount get my external devices to automount while at the same, only allowing me and root read/write access to them. every other account should be read only!
[02:42] <edenbeast> no
[02:42] <[ifr0g]> .
[02:42] <BigDaddy> BluesKaj: so far, I have just had a minor hiccup. Like Konversation not notifying me when says my name
[02:42] <vbgunz> hours on this with no results... I tried so many options in fstab it isn't funny. I cannot get what I need to work, can anyone help?
[02:42] <bascule> vbgunz: set the entry to user in fstab instead of users
[02:42] <flick> guess i will stop using compiz, NickPresta
[02:42] <edenbeast> at least I don't think so, kubuntu still uses xorg right? :-/
[02:43] <edenbeast> vbgunz did you try uid options?
[02:43] <vbgunz> bascule: no joke, I tried so many different things. I set uid and gid to 1000 and that always results in permission denied
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> edenbeast: unless you are running compiz with an ATI card.
[02:43] <vbgunz> I set it to my name too and that doesn't work
[02:43] <BluesKaj> BigDaddy, theres a setting in konversation that will flash red if your name is typed in the chat
[02:43] <[ifr0g]> vbgunz, what fs is it ?
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> BigDaddy: settings->notifications
[02:44] <BluesKaj> not the setting but the konv tab
[02:44] <bascule> vbgunz: if you want that level of control from hald/hot-plug mount, I have no idea, static discs I can do no problem
[02:44] <edenbeast> vbgunz add
[02:44] <edenbeast> "<append key="volume.mount.valid_options"
[02:44] <edenbeast> type="strlist">uid=</append>"
[02:44] <vbgunz> they're all vfat but in fstab I have them as auto because they're sticks, usb cards, etc. the fs I would predict could change
[02:44] <edenbeast> to that file I talked you about earlier and then try with the uid options in /etc/fstab
[02:44] <bascule> edenbeast: nice
[02:45] <vbgunz> edenbeast: not sure what you mean, that doesn't go into fstab :/
[02:46] <edenbeast> not that goes in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/20-storage-methods.fdi
[02:46] <edenbeast> in the vfat section
[02:46] <bascule> vbgunz: considered the mount dir as 755?
[02:46] <vbgunz> you told me about a file before but I forgot. I found trying to mess with fstab easier but really it proved to be a pain in the ass... I always ended up with permission denied or I couldn't mount/unmount... very frustrating :(
[02:46] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> nosrednaekim: what it do?
[02:46] <edenbeast> but I must say if you make correct fstab setings, pmount should check there first
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> AT0M1CB0MB3R: what does what do?
[02:47] <bascule> vbgunz: how many other users are actually on this system?
[02:47] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> nosrednaekim: thats like saying whats up
[02:47] <edenbeast> can't you just precreate mount directories with the correct permissions and have it mount there?
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> AT0M1CB0MB3R: ah :) not much.
[02:47] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> nosrednaekim:  lol
[02:47] <BigDaddy> nos
[02:47] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> nosrednaekim: not familour wiff black slang?
[02:47] <[Relic]> stdin, Thanks, working now  :)
[02:47] <BigDaddy> nosrednaekim: found it. Don't know why that setting didn't transfer over
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> AT0M1CB0MB3R: nope. sorry, i'm not gangsta
[02:48] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> nosrednaekim: not familiar wiff black slang?
[02:48] <stdin> [Relic]: no problem :)
[02:48] <edenbeast> if all else fails you can add "<append key="volume.mount.valid_options" type="strlist">ro</append>"  that mounts it read only by default
[02:48] <BigDaddy> BluesKaj: I got it.
[02:48] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> nosrednaekim: im Gster
[02:48] <vbgunz> my account and my sons account. I would like read/write access to everything but restrict him to write access to his home dir. I do not want him, writing, deleting, modifying files on external devices in any way :/
[02:48] <BigDaddy> Also wanted to let you guys know that the /home moving was a lot easier than I had feared
[02:48] <[ifr0g]> AT0M1CB0MB3R, hi
[02:48] <BluesKaj> cool BigDaddy :)
[02:48] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> [ifr0g]: i thought you went to sleep
[02:48] <vbgunz> edenbeast: is there no way to handle the external device permissions from fstab alone?
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> BigDaddy: thats good! I think they should make it that way by default
[02:48] <[ifr0g]> AT0M1CB0MB3R, Could not get any..:(
[02:49] <[Relic]> now if I can figure out why firestarter is crashing I will be happy  :)
[02:49] <BigDaddy> nosrednaekim: you are right. That should be linux 101
[02:49] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> [ifr0g]: dang
[02:49] <BigDaddy> the only hard part is dropping into a CLI after installation and changing the mount point.
[02:50] <BigDaddy> As long as you print out the instructions though, piece of cake
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> BigDaddy: its far easier when you do it upon install
[02:51] <BigDaddy> I never had the option during install. Maybe if I used the alternative installation disc?
[02:51] <vbgunz> edenbeast: I am really concerned with messing with that file. I trust you but I don't trust myself. I cannot believe this is harder than I could have imagined it :(
[02:52] <Kr4t05> I have a rather complicated problem... Bare with me as I tell my sad tail:
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> BigDaddy: no... you did, you just have to do manual partitioning
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> Kr4t05: its "tale" but go ahead ;)
[02:52] <BigDaddy> nosrednaekim: ah... that explains it. I had that HD disconected during install
[02:53] <BigDaddy> nosrednaekim: that HD also has my emergency XP installation on it. If it is hooked up during install, Kubuntu makes a bootloader
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> BigDaddy: ah...
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> I think you can tell it whcih HD to install grub on now..
[02:54] <edenbeast> vbgunz I think I found what you need :-) you'll need to read a bit but in the middle they already talk about group= optionshttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=168221
[02:54] <Kr4t05> It started when I upgraded from Feisty to Gutsy last night. Initially the upgrade went fine. Then, for reason even I'm not entirely sure of, I deleted ~/.kde. I expected that KDE would fall back to the default settings and rebuild things, but something went wrong. Now, I can't log back into my default user account, as it hangs at "Initializing system services". I'm currently using a secondary user account. Any help?
[02:54] <Kr4t05> I've already performed a fresh install via the Gutsy CD.
[02:55] <BigDaddy> nosrednaekim: I think once I get my Zen player working 100%, my cell phone working 100%, then I will dump the windows partition completely
[02:55] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> BigDaddy: what do you do with your cell
[02:56] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> BigDaddy: i mod phones i use linux on my phone and ipod
[02:56] <Kr4t05> Does anyone have any leads on this issue?
[02:56] <seriekrock> hey you can use both ipods and cellphones in linux
[02:56] <Kr4t05> I've already tried copying the .kde file from this user account to my old user account.
[02:56] <Dr_willis_> Kr4t05,  thats odd..
[02:56] <killer_> I have a few pdf files that I would like to put all into one pdf.. any hints?
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> Kr4t05: weird.
[02:57] <Kr4t05> Well, sure... That's why it has me rather irritated at the moment. :/
[02:57] <Gun_Smoke> You know for all the install problems I've been reading about I haven't ran into a single issuse yet.. /me knocks on wood
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> Gun_Smoke: lucky ;)
[02:57] <BigDaddy> AT0M1CB0MB3R: just moving themes, sound files and so on
[02:57] <Dr_willis_> make a new usser. copy all ya data files over to his dir if his kde works. :) then chown the data files.
[02:57] <killer_> is there a tool.. something like "mergepdf"
[02:57] <[ka]killer> i have a question
[02:57] <Kr4t05> Dr_willis_: Yeah, I guess that would work.
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> !pdf
[02:57] <ubotu> pdf is the Portable Document Format created by Adobe; viewable in GNU/Linux with xpdf/kpdf/evince, and also adobe reader (free download, but closed source)
[02:58] <BigDaddy> it's a Sony Ericsson 300i
[02:58] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> BigDaddy: what phone do you have? v3 razr
[02:58] <BigDaddy> or maybe W300i
[02:58] <[ka]killer> if i remove, and reinstall all teh files that have to do with xine, should that fix the problems im having with it? do you think the problem is with the packages themselves and not just my install
[02:58] <Dr_willis_> Kr4t05,  thebn delete the old user. :) and remake him. But i wonder if its not some permission issue going on.
[02:58] <Dr_willis_> Kr4t05,  may want to kill X. and start up kde/X with 'startx' to see if any error messages show up as a hint.
[02:58] <atlfalcons866> is kde4 going to be in the resportorys?
[02:58] <bascule> Kr4t05: rm -f ~/.DCOP*
[02:58] <atlfalcons866> when its released
[02:58] <bwayne> killer_: try cat'ing the files into one outfile.
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> atlfalcons866: its already in them
[02:59] <[ka]killer> bwayne: how so?
[02:59] <atlfalcons866> thats beta
[02:59] <Dr_willis_> atlfalcons866,  so ? :)
[02:59] <bwayne> killer_: cat file1 file2 file3 > outfile
[02:59] <Kr4t05> bascule: I'll try that.
[02:59] <Kr4t05> Here's hoping, guys.
[02:59] <atlfalcons866> will 512mb ram run kde4
[02:59] <[ka]killer> um... how would that help?
[02:59] <edenbeast> 640K should be enough for everybody ;-)
[03:00] <BigDaddy> Anyone here have a Creative Zen Vision player?
[03:00] <Dr_willis_> edenbeast,  its 10x more then my C64 needed
[03:00] <Xera> Anyone got a SpeedTouch 330 working in 7.10?
[03:00] <atlfalcons866> 2GB is the minium in vista in my experience
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> BigDaddy: no...but they are quite well supported
[03:00] <edenbeast> hell yeah, now that was a machine :D
[03:00] <killer_> bwayne: hmm.. worth a try.. don't think that will comform to PDF specifications tho
[03:00] <Xera> I get an error about /proc/bus/usb/devices not existing
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> BigDaddy: amarok should handle it fine
[03:00] <bwayne> killer_: can't hurt.  you may be right though.  I've cat'ed iso's together before in that fashion.  might work.
[03:01] <BigDaddy> nosrednaekim: the old Nomad are well supported. But my Vision W shows up as a camera
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> BigDaddy: lol, MTP should support it just fine.. did you try amarok with it yet?
[03:01] <BigDaddy> the protocol they use is a photo transfer protocol hacked for music.
[03:01] <Dr_willis_> heh..
[03:01] <MoLerner> My videocard is displaying weird flickering artifacts after coming out of suspend in Vista. would moving to Grub + dualboot have caused this?
[03:01] <BigDaddy> I tried it on 7.04, not on 7.10
[03:02] <Dr_willis_> MoLerner,  i highly doubt it.
[03:02] <dick-richardson> I swapped sound cards and the new one is working great...is there something I should run to remove references to the old one? depmod or something similar?
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> MoLerner: dun't think so
[03:02] <MoLerner> thanks so much
[03:02] <Kr4t05> bascule: No dice, I guess I'll have to go the deletion-recreation route.
[03:02] <Dr_willis_> MoLerner,  if you cold boot from power off to windows..  and it does work.. THEN reboot to linux/reboot back to windows and it has issues.. THEN you may have a point.
[03:02] <bascule> Kr4t05: well see what's in tmp to
[03:03] <Kr4t05> But, that means passing about 50GB of music/movies and anime. :P
[03:03] <Dr_willis_> MoLerner,  but i doubt if linux has anything to do with it.
[03:03]  * [ka]killer removes xine
[03:03] <killer_> bwayne: nope.. get huge file that displays only one page
[03:03] <Gun_Smoke> And anyhow.. I dropped by to ask if there are any good reads out there for coming from gnome to KDE.. As of the fresh install of 7.10 I've opted to run full KDE..
[03:03] <Dr_willis_> Gun_Smoke,   start exploring kde.. :) its rather straightforwared.
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> Gun_Smoke: I don't know of any... just ask in here any Questions you have :)
[03:03] <Kr4t05> bascule: kde-andrew (the primary account)
[03:04] <[ka]killer> f***IK THAT WAS NOT SMART
[03:04] <Gun_Smoke> Dr_willis_: nosrednaekim Thanks..  Looks like the patches have begun! :)
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> [ka]killer: just reinstall the,
[03:05] <[ka]killer> HELLLLLP!!!!! ]
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> *them
[03:05] <[ka]killer> im trying
[03:05]  * Dr_willis_ wonders what uninstalling xine had to do with anything...
[03:05] <Kr4t05> bascule: Done, done and done.
[03:05] <Kr4t05> Log out and in?
[03:05] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> [ka]killer: use vlc player?
[03:05] <bascule> k, good luck
[03:05] <Kr4t05> Thanks.
[03:06] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> [ka]killer: sudo apt-get install vlc
[03:06] <Dr_willis_> i do like vlc. :)
[03:06] <julius> Anyone having bugs with the login manager for 7.10?
[03:06] <Dr_willis_> julius,  not that i am aware of.
[03:06] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: are you the real Dr_willis?
[03:06] <edenbeast> I think smplayer is great
[03:06] <Dr_willis_> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  Yes.. both of me are me..
[03:06] <killer_> hey bwayne ,  pdftk
[03:06] <Dr_willis_> One is the pc in the basement.
[03:06] <edenbeast> best version of mplayer I've seen so far
[03:06] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: get on the other guy then
[03:06] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: i like him better
[03:07] <bwayne> killer_: or pdfjam.
[03:07] <[ka]killer> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:07] <[ka]killer> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[03:07] <Dr_willis_> when i am in the basemet i am that one. :)
[03:07] <bascule> ooooops
[03:07] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> [ka]killer: you have adept open
[03:07] <bascule> :))
[03:07] <[ka]killer> no
[03:07] <Dr_willis_> im in the kitchen at the moment.
[03:07] <[ka]killer> no i dont
[03:07] <[ka]killer> it started to remove adept and i closed the terminal
[03:07] <julius> Dr_willis: Well after a failed login  the input areas appeared to be greyed out but they were still active. Restarting X fixed it
[03:07] <Linux_Galore> I couldnt find any Kubuntu Gutsy CD artwork so I have posted some on www.kde-look.org  just now
[03:07] <[ka]killer> im screwed T_T
[03:07] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> [ka]killer: [ka]killerlog out and log in? then try the code
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> Linux_Galore: there is a kubuntu-art site aswell
[03:08] <Kr4t05> bascule: Still not working. :/
[03:08] <jpwhiting> no luck..., actually for some reason when I try to load nvidia or nvidia_new it says it can't find the device for some reason
[03:08] <Linux_Galore> nosrednaekim: its just a quick hack of a LTS image
[03:08] <bascule> Kr4t05: arrrrgh, I am sure I resoved this for myself, long tome agi on mandrake 9.1 - 9.2 upgrade and it was cause of those sockets
[03:08] <bwayne> killer_: this looks promising.  http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfsam/
[03:08] <jpwhiting> wonder if I need some module for my motherboard so the kernel can find it or something
[03:09] <jpwhiting> but the nv driver works... :(
[03:09] <Gun_Smoke> what do we have in the form of gDesklets?
[03:09] <Linux_Galore> nosrednaekim: kubuntu-art has no Gutsy images either, are you saying post the image there too
[03:09] <[ka]killer> didnt help
[03:09] <[ka]killer> CRAP
[03:09] <Dr_willis_> !info gdesklets
[03:09] <ubotu> gdesklets: Architecture for desktop applets. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.35.3-4ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 466 kB, installed size 2452 kB
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> Linux_Galore: yeah
[03:09] <[ka]killer> T_T
[03:09] <Dr_willis_> gdesklets are for Gnome I do belive
[03:10] <Dr_willis_> Not sure how well they work for KDe.
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> !screenlets
[03:10] <ubotu> Screenlets are little widgets for your !desktop. Note you must have !Compiz Fusion, !Beryl, xcompmgr, or KWin to run them. You can get them at http://www.screenlets.org/
[03:10] <Linux_Galore> !artwork
[03:10] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[03:10] <bascule> Gun_Smoke: superkaramba
[03:10] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> [ka]killer: why did you close the terminal when uninstalling adept
[03:10] <jpwhiting> Dr_willis_: they work ok in kde last time I used them
[03:10] <bascule> !info superkaramba
[03:10] <ubotu> superkaramba: a program based on karamba improving the eyecandy of KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 533 kB, installed size 1424 kB
[03:10] <Kr4t05> bascule: I have the following rm line going on: "sudo rm -rf /tmp/*-andrew/ /home/andrew/.kde* /home/andrew/.DCOP* /home/andrew/.ICEauthority /home/andrew/.Xauthority"
[03:10] <Dr_willis_> jpwhiting,  ive yet to really see any of them worth using. :)
[03:10] <Kr4t05> Would that work?
[03:10] <Gun_Smoke> bascule: ty
[03:10] <Dr_willis_> jpwhiting,  i am using Conky however. ;)
[03:10] <Dr_willis_> !info conky
[03:10] <ubotu> conky: highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.7-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 140 kB, installed size 472 kB
[03:11] <bascule> Kr4t05: that really should do it ... :)
[03:11] <bascule> if not i dunno
[03:11] <jpwhiting> anyone here know what sort of modules I'd need for the kernel to be able to find pci-e nvidia card?
[03:11] <Kr4t05> Basically kill anything KDE-related that might lock me out. :P
[03:11] <jpwhiting> when I load nvidia it says device not found, etc.
[03:11] <bascule> Kr4t05: yes al sorts of interlocked kde stuff that lost bits from.kde
[03:11] <[ka]killer> ok i had to kill dpkg
[03:11] <Dr_willis_> jpwhiting,  i dident need to mess with that at all.. Odd.. where/why are you manually loading the nvidia module?
[03:11] <jpwhiting> does pci-e use the agp bus?
[03:12] <jpwhiting> Dr_willis_: from the console when X doesn't start when set to use nvidia
[03:12] <jpwhiting> works fine with nv though :(
[03:12] <jpwhiting> I think it might have something to do with my weird asus motherboard or something
[03:12] <Dr_willis_> jpwhiting,  you sure you got the nvidia packages installed properly?
[03:12] <jpwhiting> Dr_willis_: yep
[03:12] <Dr_willis_> only module i see related to it is ------->  agpgart                35016  1 nvidia
[03:12] <Dr_willis_> thats from the lsmod command
[03:13] <jpwhiting> ah, lemme see if I have agpgart, one moment
[03:13] <Dr_willis_> i2c_core               26112  2 nvidia,i2c_nforce2
[03:13] <jpwhiting> is your nvidia card agp? or pci-e?
[03:13] <jpwhiting> yep, I have agpgart loaded
[03:13] <Dr_willis_> PCIE 8800GTSXXX card here.
[03:13] <jpwhiting> and ali_agp and ati_agp
[03:13] <Dr_willis_> what is your exact card?
[03:13] <jpwhiting> pcie 7300 GS
[03:14] <attunix> How do I get GTK installed? I keep getting an "error: gtk/gtk.h: no such file or directory".
[03:14] <jpwhiting> from lspci:
[03:14] <jpwhiting> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G71 [GeForce 7300 GS] (rev a1)
[03:14] <Dr_willis_> it might be a bug with that card and the nvidia drivers.
[03:14] <besonen_mobile_> where's the 7.10 changelog?
[03:14] <Dr_willis_> attunix,  what is giving you that error? Trying to compile somthing?
[03:15] <Kr4t05> bascule: Here's a pastebin of /home/andrew
[03:15] <julius> How do i stop kate from by default opening all the stuff i try to download]
[03:15] <Kr4t05> bascule: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41469/
[03:15] <attunix> Dr_willis_: yes
[03:15] <[ka]killer> wtf my mouse randomly jumps to the top right corner of my screen
[03:15] <Dr_willis_> attunix,  thenyou need to install the various gtk developer packages.
[03:15] <Dr_willis_> attunix,  no idea which one however. :)
[03:15] <attunix> ok.
[03:16] <Oakbox> Night all
[03:16] <DaSkreech> BigDaddy: May want to turn on THE OSD as well
[03:16] <BigDaddy> DaSkreech: how did you know I had that?
[03:17] <jpwhiting> yes, maybe
[03:17] <bascule> .ICEauthority  .Xauthority are files and still there, re-created at last login attempt?
[03:18] <surgy> how long does it take for my sound card to completely initialize after a log in to xwindows? i mean from time the mixer and drivers load until a game can use it?
[03:18] <Linux_Galore> nosrednaekim: http://kubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/Kubuntu+7.10+Gutsy+CD+DVD+Artwork+(Unofficial)?content=68219
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> surgy: they should be loaded before x even starts
[03:18] <Kr4t05> bascule: I guess.
[03:18] <[ka]killer> bah
[03:18] <surgy> nosrednaekim: ok thnx
[03:18] <Kr4t05> I don't think sudo is working... Maybe permissions are messed up?
[03:19] <bascule> nah
[03:19] <bascule> sudo will clobber it
[03:19] <[ka]killer> ...
[03:19] <[ka]killer> ok something is really screwed up
[03:19] <Kr4t05> bascule: Oh... This user isn't a sudoer. ><
[03:19] <Kr4t05> BRB
[03:19] <[ka]killer> i think i need to re-format again T_T
[03:20] <[ka]killer> but first i need to burn a gusty disk...
[03:20] <Dr_willis_> Spoken like a windows user! :)
[03:20] <[ka]killer> and its not detecting my burner....
[03:21] <[ka]killer> T_T
[03:21] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> [ka]killer: why do you just try to fix it
[03:21] <[ka]killer> im trying
[03:21] <[ka]killer> but nothign is working....
[03:21] <[ka]killer> screw it
[03:21] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> [ka]killer: before reinstalling so you learn something
[03:22] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> [ka]killer: ill try look on google
[03:22] <[ka]killer> reinstalling festy
[03:22] <[ka]killer> maybe then xine wont be f**ked up
[03:22] <rance> Is there a way to have apt-get automatically install "suggested packages" when they are listed?
[03:22] <killer_> bwayne: pdftk *.pdf cat output combined.pdf
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> rance: use aptitude, which does that
[03:24] <michael> Hola
[03:24] <abe> !es
[03:24] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[03:24] <abe> compiz run on 7,.1?
[03:24] <abe> 7.10
[03:24] <Dr_willis_> !compiz
[03:24] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[03:24] <michael> Alguien me sabe decir que tiene de especial la version 7.10?
[03:25] <[ka]killer> dam it all
[03:25] <[ka]killer> its not detecting my cd drive so i cant boot from it
[03:25] <abe> Dr_willis_: i tried to fallow that instruction on feisty in didn't work
[03:25] <bwayne> killer_: sweet.  that'll come in handy.
[03:25] <michael> !spanish
[03:25] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[03:25] <Dr_willis_> abe,  its not for feisty.
[03:26] <[ka]killer> >_<
[03:26] <[ka]killer> its not detecting my cd drive to boot from
[03:26] <abe> ok i will try
[03:26] <[ka]killer> its not detecting it to burn
[03:26] <[ka]killer> WTF
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> [ka]killer: reinstall xine?
[03:26] <killer_> bwayne: yep.. I have a notebook and I scanned the pages to pdf, now I have a digital notebook :)
[03:26] <[ka]killer> it didnt get a chance to remove xine... it started with adept and kde
[03:26] <[ka]killer> + i already did that
[03:27] <bwayne> killer_: what program you use to scan?
[03:27] <[ka]killer> scan for what?
[03:27] <killer_> bwayne: I did a project for a client and now that it's all done.. I want them to have a copy of my notes since they paid for all this
[03:28] <bwayne> killer_: nice professional touch.
[03:28] <killer_> bwayne: aahh.. I was time pressed .. I cheated.. my next door neighbor has a printing company, makes books,manuals and the like, ....
[03:28] <[ka]killer> ...
[03:28] <[ka]killer> professional nothign right now im just trying not to screw my box over
[03:28] <[ka]killer> its the only 'working' comp in teh house right now
[03:28] <killer_> bwayne: ... he has a really nice copy machine with scan to pdf.. each page took about 2 seconds to make pdf
[03:28] <Dr_willis_> a huge pdf with lots of jpgs in it! :)
[03:29] <[ka]killer> um...
[03:29] <bwayne> killer_: i have a HP Officejet that works well with Kooka.  HP Utils are buggy though.  I was able to send a fax directly from my PC one time, but haven't gotten it to work again since.
[03:29] <shadowhywind> Does anyone know if there is a fix for knetworkmanger to make it work again?
[03:29] <killer_> bwayne: previously I use kooka
[03:29] <killer_> yep
[03:30] <[ka]killer> who the hell is talkign about printing
[03:30] <Kr4t05> Hey, I got logged in!
[03:30] <killer_> [ka]killer: I am
[03:30] <[ka]killer> wtf does printing have to do with my cd drive not being detected
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> shadowhywind: whats wrong with it?
[03:30] <[ka]killer> ...
[03:30] <Kr4t05> But, something weird just happened.
[03:30] <bascule> Kr4t05: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2004-04/4107.html
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> [ka]killer: there is another killer logged on..
[03:30] <bwayne> some of us actually use a KDE environment in a professional setting.
[03:30] <Dr_willis_> :)
[03:30] <[ka]killer> i didnt notice that
[03:30] <Kr4t05> Adept says there is a new distribution version available.
[03:30] <[ka]killer> im not used to being in heavily populated rooms
[03:30] <bwayne> printing becomes important.
[03:31] <rance> sorry its late, I just saw the answer, thanks
[03:31] <[ka]killer> yah... i have an hp photosmart 8100
[03:31] <killer_> bwayne: I've been using KDE as my only workstation since 2001
[03:31] <Dr_willis_> Kr4t05,  pay no attention to the bug behind the update... :)
[03:31] <[ka]killer> plug it in and it works =P
[03:31] <Kr4t05> "But you promised me a brain!"
[03:31] <shadowhywind> nosrednaekim, it just allows me to manually configure my connectsions, it doesn't see my ethernet nor my wireless connection
[03:31] <Dr_willis_> Kr4t05,  thats an OS of a Different color...
[03:31] <BluesKaj> welcome to Kubuntu-opolis [ka]killer
[03:31] <bwayne> killer_: wow.  i've been using GNU/Linux for around a year.   I thought it crashed..
[03:34] <Dr_willis_> It tries to do stuff.. but then says  You are up to date.
[03:34] <Kr4t05> As did I.
[03:34] <Kr4t05> Nice.
[03:34] <shadowhywind> nosrednaekim, did that, everything came up with ok. With no luck
[03:34] <Kr4t05> Okay... Time to install all the stuff that I could really use.
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> shadowhywind: no difference? huh
[03:34] <Kr4t05> And some stuff that I don't need at all.
[03:35] <shadowhywind> nosrednaekim nope, i restarted knetworkmanager and still nothing. This started happening after a bunch of kde updates couple weeks ago on fiesty
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> shadowhywind: knetworkmangler is wonky sometimes... does you wireless work?
[03:35] <shadowhywind> my wireless does work
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> shadowhywind: do you need WPA?
[03:35] <shadowhywind> sometimes yes
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> shadowhywind: oh :(
[03:36] <shadowhywind> the oddpart was when i was in the middle of my gusty update, and KDE crashed when i restarted knetworkmanager was working. But after i finished gusty updates, it went back to its not working state
[03:37] <DaSkreech> rance: --with-recommends or -r
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> shadowhywind: try purging knetoworkmanager and then reinstalling
[03:38] <shadowhywind> k, trying that now
[03:38] <rance> got it, thanks, it was in the man page
[03:39] <DaSkreech> !wpa
[03:39] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:39] <DaSkreech> !man
[03:39] <ubotu> The "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man intro" at the command line, or type man:/ in Konqueror's location bar. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[03:39] <DaSkreech> :)
[03:40] <shadowhywind> if i purged knetworkmanager why can i still run it ?
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> shadowhywind: you killed it and then it runns when you try to start it?
[03:41] <killer_> bwayne: I had to leave windows.. I really enjoy rebooting four or 5 times a year
[03:41] <shadowhywind> i purged it, restarted X and it loaded, so i closed it, and tried to open it from the kmenu and it was still there
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> shadowhywind: wierd! try getting rid of networkmanager
[03:42] <killer_> bwayne: also I have upto 12 virtual desktops to organize my workflow.. windows cannot compare with the level of productivity
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> shadowhywind: ah...remove "network-manager-kde
[03:43] <shadowhywind> doing that now
[03:43] <killer_> I have projects that I leave open for weeks on virtual desktops
[03:43] <killer_> if I have to reboot, I cry
[03:43] <shadowhywind> ok so that looks like it removed it
[03:43] <shadowhywind> and i am reinstalling it now
[03:43] <Dr_willis_> windows - the anti-producitivity
[03:44] <shadowhywind> and same thing, it still not working
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> shadowhywind: did you do a complete removal?
[03:44] <shadowhywind> i did a purge on both of them
[03:45] <killer_> Dr_willis_: windows is for keeping a live person attached to the mouse. but computers are actually capable of doing work without a person having to babysit it
[03:45] <Dr_willis_> killer_,  blasphmy! dont let the boss's know!
[03:45] <Dr_willis_> :)
[03:45]  * Dr_willis_ is exploring the possible REAL productivity boosters of compiz..
[03:46] <Dr_willis_> Inverting colors on windows.. handy.. zoom.. also handy. :)
[03:46] <Dr_willis_> Clone - NO idea what thats for. :)
[03:46] <fluffman> bah
[03:46] <killer_> Dr_willis_: I tell my boss several times aday why it is that I work so slow
[03:46] <fluffman> I thought it was just for impressing vista users
[03:46] <Kr4t05> I had to use Zoom when I broke my glasses.
[03:46] <Kr4t05> I guess that's a testament to how bad my vision is.
[03:47] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis_: Stack Windows
[03:47] <Dr_willis_> Hmm.. some how i cant move this window now
[03:47] <killer_> Dr_willis_: it's like "hey.. do you want the work finished? or just want me to push a cursor around all day?"
[03:47] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis_: No wait it's group windows
[03:48] <Dr_willis_> well some how i broke compiz and cant click to focus windows now. :)
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> Dr_willis_: why are you always breaking it?lol
[03:48] <Dr_willis_> cant even click on tabs in xchat.
[03:48] <Dr_willis_> its as if mouse clicks no longer affect anything
[03:49] <Dr_willis_> Yeppers look like i may need to be restarting X to kick this in the head. :P
[03:50] <Dr_willis_> BB in a few
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:50] <ashfaq> can I run windows xp through vmware in gutstsy kdm? how ? please help
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> ashfaq: not via kdm, not
[03:50] <shane_> anyone else having trouble getting emerald themes/beryl to work in gutsy?
[03:51] <ashfaq> I mean in kubuntu gutsy
[03:51] <shane_> ashfaq - I imagine you would just install VMware, set up a virtual machine and install XP on it via a CD or whatever
[03:52] <ashfaq> I just checked the vm virtual machine in xp has installed ubuntu, similarily if kubuntu can do that I will get rid of xp
[03:52] <tekstacy> ashfaq, try VirtualBox
[03:52] <shane_> how do I get an emerald theme to actually go into effect
[03:52] <shane_> I select them but I don't see any changes
[03:52] <tekstacy> I have XP running now
[03:52] <ashfaq> But I am not able to access other folders of host in xp
[03:53] <shane_> ashfaq - I'm not sure if XP can read ext3 formatted partitions
[03:53] <ashfaq> Thats right shane
[03:53] <adz21c> it can read ext2 with a driver plugin
[03:54] <DaSkreech> ashfaq: yes it can
[03:54] <shane_> ok, nevermind then
[03:54] <ashfaq> That is why I want to install it on kubuntu keep it as default os, as now I am having dual os
[03:55] <Dr_willis_> ashfaq,  i use vmware-server to run Xp all the time. :)
[03:55] <[ifr0g]> !compiz
[03:55] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[03:55] <Dr_willis_> shane_,  check that !compiz site i put in notes on how to do just that. :)
[03:55] <[ifr0g]> ah, NoT :D
[03:55] <ashfaq> vmware server is available in the kubuntu package?
[03:55] <tekstacy> !aptfix
[03:55] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[03:56] <Dr_willis_> ashfaq,  it used to be.. not sure if its in the gutsy comercial repos yet.
[03:56] <AndyMan1> I'd like to install Gutsy and have /home on a separate encrypted partition, is this possible?
[03:56] <Dr_willis_> ashfaq,  its not too hard to install from the vmware packages from vmware
[03:56] <Dr_willis_> AndyMan1,  i hear it is. :)
[03:56] <AndyMan1> yay!
[03:56] <ashfaq> Just help me out if it is or to get that in Kubuntu please
[03:57] <AndyMan1> any idea where to start looking? i've checked the ubuntu wiki but either can't find anything or my google-fu isn't up to snuff
[03:57] <Dr_willis_> ashfaq,  i found a link the other day that walked ya through it.. let me see...
[03:57] <Dr_willis_> http://www.ubuntuhq.com/search/node/vmware
[03:58] <Dr_willis_> thats a darn handy site :) lots of good info
[03:58] <ashfaq> Dr_willis_: this link would help? let me check it!
[03:58] <Dr_willis_> ashfaq,  its rather straight forward. The only issue is that you must use the vmware 'patch' thing to get the modules compiled properly
[03:59] <Dr_willis_> You do have a vmware-server serial #? if not you can get one for free from the vmware site. by fillingout a form.
[03:59] <shadowhywind> ok so i may have fixed knetworkmanager, but ran into another issue
[04:00] <shadowhywind> Has anyone heard of a wireless card not working in windows or linux, But after reinstalling the drivers in windows, it works in windows AND linux?
[04:00] <AndyMan1> that sounds weird enough to be true =P
[04:00] <Dr_willis_> shadowhywind,  its possible the pnp features of windows sets up the irq/dma/stuff proplery for the card
[04:00] <Dr_willis_> shadowhywind,  ive had some odd issues with sound cards in the past ages ago - similer ot that.
[04:01] <Dr_willis_> The card would NOT work - if i booted to windows first. :)
[04:01] <[ifr0g]> shadowhywind, maybe on lala land..
[04:01] <Dr_willis_> wonder if the drivers flashed the bios onthe card or somthing.
[04:01] <shadowhywind> this has been happening for the last month or so. But if i go into vista i wont have a wireless card. But after i install the drivers and switch back to linux i have them
[04:02] <Linux_Galore> shadowhywind: yes, the new driver initiated a firmware patch
[04:02] <shadowhywind> but then why wouldn't it stay?
[04:03] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> can somebody help me with compiz-fusion?
[04:03] <Linux_Galore> shadowhywind: because its not rom based, it loads the patch when initated
[04:03] <ksivaji> adept_updater consumes all my bandwidth i can use opera is there any way to run adept with low bandwidth
[04:03] <ksivaji> cant* use opera
[04:04] <tomer> hello
[04:04] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> !compiz
[04:04] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[04:04] <Dr_willis_> i just decided to turn OFF compiz for now under kde. :)
[04:05] <Dr_willis_> too many little issues
[04:05] <Linux_Galore> there are some seriously goofy driver hacks out for hardware running in Windows
[04:05] <fluffman> !kde4
[04:05] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[04:05] <nickpresta> Is there any Beryl package for Gutsy?
[04:05] <fluffman> Dr_willis_: I agree
[04:05] <Dr_willis_> nickpresta,  i would say NO.. since compiz replaces it
[04:05] <fluffman> I used compiz for about 10 minutes
[04:06] <fluffman> I hate it compared to beryl
[04:06] <fluffman> :(
[04:06] <Dr_willis_> fluffman,  i like some of the fetures.. but not really that handy.
[04:06] <Kr4t05> Dr_willis_: Little issues? Care to elaborate?
[04:06] <nickpresta> Dr_willis_: I'm sorry but I feel that CF is a poor replacement. It's buggy and doesn't do what I want. Beryl, although replaced, still works the way I want
[04:07] <Dr_willis_> Kr4t05,  not really. :) go try it and start noticing them.. Lets see.. input dialog box's not taking the focus.. lokups.. having to look in compiz settings manager for what used tobe a kde setting.. so forth
[04:07] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: how do i completely uninstall/purge  xserver-xgl and compiz-kde
[04:07] <Linux_Galore> nickpresta: beryl is deprecated, CF is the merging of compiz and beryl
[04:07] <DaSkreech> Interesting
[04:07] <Dr_willis_> nickpresta,   i feel the whole compiz/beryl stuff is getting pushed out the gate too fast to impress people.
[04:07] <nickpresta> Linux_Galore: I am aware of that. It's still a poor replacement in my opinion
[04:07] <moparisthebest> hi, I am upgrading this computer from feisty to gutsy, and ran into a little problem half way
[04:07] <DaSkreech>  Microsoft is figuring out how to interface with your brain?
[04:07] <moparisthebest> Setting up acpid (1.0.4-5ubuntu8) ...
[04:07] <moparisthebest>  * Loading ACPI modules...                                     [ OK ]
[04:07] <moparisthebest>  * Starting ACPI services...                                          invoke-rc.d: initscript acpid, action "start" failed.
[04:07] <Linux_Galore> nickpresta: its not a replacement, its the exact same code
[04:07] <Dr_willis_> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  thers no need to.  if you dont run the compiz --replace command kde wont be using it.
[04:08] <moparisthebest> so since that won't set up, dpkg aborts
[04:08] <fluffman> AT0M1CB0MB3R: sudo apt-get remove --purge compiz kde xserver-xgl
[04:08] <Kr4t05> !paste | moparisthebest
[04:08] <ubotu> moparisthebest: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:08] <moparisthebest> any ideas on how to get it to set up correctly?
[04:08] <Dr_willis_> I found that removing compiz broke my Gnome. :()
[04:08] <moparisthebest> Kr4t05, normally you can paste <= 3 lines in IRC, is that not the case in here?
[04:08] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: i want to remove it so i can reinstall :]
[04:08] <nickpresta> Linux_Galore:  CF is now "updated" and "fancier" code than Beryl, since Beryl is not being worked on anymore and their enhancements have been merged back
[04:09] <Dr_willis_> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  and what will reinstalling it acomplish? Not much. this is Linux - not windows.
[04:09] <nickpresta> At any rate, is there a package for Beryl in Gutsy?
[04:09] <AndyMan1> anyone know where to find how to install with an encrypted /home?
[04:09] <Dr_willis_> !beryl
[04:09] <ubotu> Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz
[04:09] <Kr4t05> moparisthebest: Well, I'm not sure how that applies... I'm not a mod, but I did notice a large "chunk" of text scroll by.
[04:09] <Dr_willis_> Guess thats a no to beryl
[04:09] <michael> Kubuntu 7.10 is more good?
[04:09] <Kr4t05> I suppose it's up to whoever is incharge.
[04:09] <Dr_willis_> more gooder :)
[04:09] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: the config file makes it hard to get compiz working :[
[04:09] <nickpresta> gah. I dislike that decision...
[04:09] <Linux_Galore> nickpresta: fancier lol, its just merged in code from Beryl, beryl itself had issues with compiz anyway CF just attempts to iron some of them out
[04:09] <michael> and 7.04?
[04:09] <Dr_willis_> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  what config file?
[04:09] <DaSkreech> moparisthebest: try apt-get install that by itself ?
[04:10] <moparisthebest> it was only 3 lines, that is usually ok, but I'll check next time in case :)
[04:10] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> isnt that why i purge it?
[04:10] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: isnt that why i purge it?
[04:10] <michael> 7.04 is good?
[04:10] <fluffman> AT0M1CB0MB3R: also remove .compiz in ~/
[04:10] <moparisthebest> DaSkreech, same thing
[04:10] <Dr_willis_> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  purging a package will not remove users settings/config files.. what config file are you refering to?
[04:10] <DaSkreech> AndyMan1: not install then encrypt home?
[04:10] <moparisthebest> every apt-get run it tries to install 3 packages, and all fail because they depend on acpid
[04:10] <Dr_willis_> AT0M1CB0MB3R,  if you totally messed up the compiz settings remove the users settings file.
[04:10] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> what does purging do the,
[04:10] <Kr4t05> michael: Well, yeah... But 7.10 has a lot of newer things in it that make it better. :)
[04:10] <Dr_willis_> !apt
[04:10] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[04:11] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dr_willis_: how do i do that?
[04:11] <DaSkreech> moparisthebest: Why does it fail ?
[04:11] <Dr_willis_> AT0M1CB0MB3R, like fluffman  said.. remove the files in the users home dir. under .compiz
[04:11] <moparisthebest> DaSkreech, I assume because of "invoke-rc.d: initscript acpid, action "start" failed.
[04:11] <moparisthebest> "
[04:11] <moparisthebest> yea, that is the reason given
[04:11] <tomer_> !compiz
[04:11] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[04:11]  * Linux_Galore wonders about people who complain about beta CF functionality
[04:11] <AndyMan1> well in one way or another I'd like to both install Gutsy and have /home on an encrypted partition (at least, maybe the rest of the OS too), but i don't know where to start
[04:11] <Dr_willis_> AT0M1CB0MB3R, if you think that will help. Youve not really stated the actual problem.
[04:12] <Dr_willis_> of course Im uing the 'flatfile' setting for compiz settings.. so not sure where it keeps them
[04:12] <martin_> hi, can anyone tell me how to access an usb-device in kubuntu?
[04:12] <Dr_willis_> I dont even see a .compiz file or direcoty
[04:12] <martin_> everytime i insert a stick or cam, just nothing happens
[04:12] <nickpresta> Dr_willis_: /etc/compizconfig, I believe
[04:12] <Linux_Galore> Should have a notice on that "although compiz-fussion works it is still considered "unstable" so unexpected bugs will happen"
[04:13] <tomer_> compiz --replace causes the title bars of my windows to disapear
[04:13] <tomer_> any ideas?
[04:13] <Dr_willis_> nickpresta,  thats sytem wide. :) for my user. i see to have a .config/compiz
[04:13] <tomer_> i then have to restart
[04:13] <Dr_willis_> tomer,  you have emerald installed?
[04:13] <tomer_> well i did this:sudo apt-get install compiz compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-kde emerald
[04:13] <Dr_willis_> and is this a clean install or upgrade?
[04:14] <tomer_> it is an upgrade from 704
[04:14] <Dr_willis_> 'upgrade' seems to be a common thing in compiz issues..
[04:14] <DaSkreech> moparisthebest: Is there a start action for /etc/init.d/acpid ?
[04:14] <tomer_> so no solution?
[04:15] <fluffman> I just tried to install kde 4, but when I try to log in, I just return to the login screen
[04:15] <fluffman> :(
[04:15] <moparisthebest> haha, finally found the solution on the ubuntu forums DaSkreech, realy strange too
[04:15] <martin_> i mean, shouldnt a usb stick be automatically detected?
[04:15] <fluffman> what's wrong?
[04:15] <moparisthebest> run:
[04:15] <moparisthebest> sudo /etc/init.d/acpid stop
[04:15] <moparisthebest> sudo dpkg --configure acpid
[04:15] <moparisthebest> and it works fine after that
[04:15] <Dr_willis_> tomer_,  i always do a clean install.. so cant help ya there. I followed the !compiz guide and it works.
[04:15] <moparisthebest> thanks :)
[04:16] <DaSkreech> moparisthebest: Thats' what I was going to suggest :)
[04:16] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> how do i run compiz at startup?
[04:16] <tomer_> whats the easiest way to restart X on the machine
[04:16] <tomer_> without rebooting
[04:16] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> and run emerald?