[12:02] <Bicchi> Kamion: I just want to avoid slow downloads and do it right away.
[12:02] <ikmo> Hi all, is there anyone from the art team in here please?
[12:02] <Kamion> \sh: you are nearly out of time
[12:03] <Kamion> we aren't going to wait
[12:03] <Kamion> \sh: remember that the buildds have to catch up with your uploads *before* release, too
[12:03] <\sh> Kamion: yeah...I'm hurring up
[12:03] <Kamion> \sh: learn to love the way bugs can be handled next release rather than rushed through for this one
[12:03] <\sh> Kamion: but for dapper I need to find a quad xeon sponsor
[12:04] <fabbione> mdz: sparc tftpboot install and miniso install are good too :)
[12:04] <\sh> Kamion: only some ftbfs stuff the last packages..if someone is saying now..."buildds closed"...I'll just test the cds with my working laptop now
[12:06] <\sh> good thing is, actually, that I have a free day today
[12:06] <\sh> elmo: thx
[12:08] <fabbione> mdz: i can't see anything obvious in dccprobe.. i will have to look at it when i am more awake
[12:08] <mdz> fabbione: ok, thanks
[12:09] <fabbione> no problem
[12:09] <fabbione> it can't be fixed for breezy anyway
[12:10] <mdz> ogra: still here?
[12:10] <ajmitch> \sh: hopefully for dapper we can do builds on the launchpad system
[12:11] <ogra> mdz, what a question :)
[12:11] <fabbione> mdz: is there anything else i need to do before crashing?
[12:12] <mdz> fabbione: if all your test results are in the table, no, good night
[12:12] <mdz> ogra: how is edubuntu?
[12:12] <Kamion> (Edubuntu DVDs are currently building, BTW)
[12:12] <Kamion> Riddell: Kubuntu DVDs are published
[12:12] <ogra> mdz, last iso was fine, just copying the final iso over to my writer
[12:12] <fabbione> Kamion: have the Ubuntu-server CD been rebuilded already?
[12:13] <Kamion> fabbione: yes
[12:13] <fabbione> mdz: ok.. i am gonna test one of them again
[12:13] <Riddell> Kamion: only amd64 is there
[12:13] <fabbione> Kamion: thanks
[12:13] <Kamion> Riddell: ah, it'll still be mirroring then
[12:13] <Riddell> right
[12:13] <mdz> Kamion: what's left to build CD-wise?
[12:13] <Nafallo> fabbione: there is a special cd for servers?
[12:14] <Kamion> the only images left to build are Edubuntu DVDs (in progress), then non-release stuff: ports install/live, livecd-base
[12:14] <fabbione> Nafallo: yes..
[12:14] <Nafallo> that's news to me :-)
[12:14] <fabbione> Nafallo: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/
[12:14] <Kamion> Nafallo: it's rather new
[12:15] <Nafallo> what's the diffrence from regular with server on the prompt?
[12:15] <fabbione> Nafallo: the pkgs on CD
[12:15] <Kamion> Nafallo: different set of stuff on the CD; a bunch of server applications in place of the desktop
[12:16] <Kamion> (only the server boot option, though, you don't get a huge bunch of servers installed by default)
[12:17] <jbailey> Is it live + cd for a dvd rsync?
[12:17] <Nafallo> oki. then regular + internet give me no diffrence :-)
[12:17] <fabbione> jbailey: yes
[12:17] <Riddell> jbailey: how does that work?
[12:18] <fabbione> Riddell: cp live dvd && cat install >> dvd && rsync ;)
[12:18] <Riddell> I'm sceptical but I'll give it a go
[12:19] <Kamion> Riddell: works pretty well in practice
[12:19] <jbailey> Riddell: It seemed to cut about 30% off the last one I did.
[12:19] <jbailey> Good enough for me. =)
[12:19] <Kamion> you have to download .debs not on the install CD, obviously, but the rest helps
[12:23] <dobwan> whiprush, are you going to mirror 5.10?
[12:28] <\sh> elmo: please sync dbishell 0.8.9-7 from debian unstable (ubuntu override OK, missed that, sry)
[12:28] <Keybuk> Kamion: confirmed; automatic partitioning doesn't find my ntfs drive
[12:28] <Keybuk> but manual does
[12:28] <Kamion> Keybuk: ok, that's at least consistent, thanks
[12:33] <Keybuk> meh, now where the hell are my gorram hoary CDs?
[12:33] <Keybuk> I know I blew some
[12:37] <mdz> yay, bandwidth restored
[12:37] <mdz> should be able to start DVD testing in <30m
[12:37] <jdong> Is there any plan of fixing 17410?
[12:37] <ogra> lucky you :)
[12:37] <fabbione> AHHHHH
[12:37] <ogra> jdong, the archive is frozen
[12:37] <Keybuk> hmm
[12:37] <mdz> jdong: see /topic
[12:37] <fabbione> nice midnight snack
[12:37] <Keybuk> autorun isn't working for me
[12:37] <ogra> fabbione, !!
[12:38] <jdong> ogra: those upgrading to Breezy won't be amused
[12:38] <Keybuk> XP thinks that 20051012.2 install is a "Pictures" CD
[12:38] <mdz> jdong: we've already discussed that here and it will be addressed through breezy-updates
[12:38] <fabbione> Keybuk: not here... mine was fine
[12:38] <jdong> mdz: k, that clears it up :)
[12:38] <Keybuk> there isn't an autorun anything on it, in fact
[12:38] <Keybuk> fabbione: live or install?
[12:38] <fabbione> Keybuk: live
[12:39] <fabbione> oh
[12:39] <fabbione> ok
[12:39] <Keybuk> maybe that's deliberate *shrug*
[12:41] <Kamion> BreezyTestPlan reformatted; please insert line breaks as I've done, it makes the whole thing a lot more readable
[12:42] <fabbione> Kamion: wow... i
[12:42] <ogra> would someone like to test edubuntu ppc or amd64 ?
[12:43] <ogra> or x86 dvd ?
[12:44] <wasabi_> jbailey, ping
[12:45] <wasabi_> jbailey, usplashL
[12:45] <wasabi_>         if [ $VESA = "true" ] ; then
[12:45] <wasabi_>                 insmod /lib/modules/`uname -r`/initrd/vesafb.ko
[12:45] <wasabi_> That module is never copied to the initrd.
[12:45] <wasabi_> that I can tell, anyways.
[12:46] <jbailey> wasabi_: /usr/share/initrams-tools/hooks/kernelextras
[12:46] <jbailey> Thekernel maintainers decide on some things that should be always loaded, so we load 'em.
[12:46] <wasabi_> NOt following.
[12:46] <wasabi_> Passing vga=* on the command line fails.
[12:47] <jbailey> You said it wasn't copied to the initramfs, and I told you what copies it.. =)
[12:47] <wasabi_> Well, /initrd/vesafb.ko isn't present heh
[12:47] <jbailey> wasabi_: Can you trace the function and figure out why it's not copying for you?  It does on all my machines.
[12:51] <Knorrie> hi I would like to know if this has something to do with a bug: http://od251.csrdelft.nl/ubuntu/Screenshot-2.png
[12:51] <Knorrie> I'm trying to get my keyboard 'e ^e accents working since 16:00 today (it's now 0:53 here)
[12:53] <wasabi_> hmm. my initrd has no /lib/modules/*/initrd. Tracking it down.
[12:53] <seb128> what does the lines of the msg write?
[12:54] <jbailey> wasabi_: Try adding "set -x" to the top of that script.
[12:54] <fabbione> Knorrie: it looks like your /etc/X11/xkb/base.xml is corrupted
[12:55] <seb128> or the gconf settings are crappy
[12:55] <fabbione> seb128: note the keyboard selector has only one kbd listed..
[12:56] <Knorrie> fabbione: yeah i can add and remove there, but whatever i choose, i get error dialogs like the one in the screenshot
[12:56] <seb128> is us_intl a correct keymap?
[12:56] <Knorrie> seb128: I use it at work in breezy, and it has the correct behaviour with ^e etc
[12:56] <wasabi_> jbailey, it's loadingt he one in ./kernel/drivers/video/vesafb.so instead
[12:57] <wasabi_> force_load gets it
[12:57] <Knorrie> fabbione: /etc/X11/xkb/base.xml: No such file or director <== is that bad?
[12:57] <wasabi_> It is going thru /lib/modules/*/initrd, and it's adding them, but they're being resolved to the ones in kernel
[12:58] <fabbione> Knorrie: yes.. apt-get install xkeyboard-config
[12:58] <wasabi_> Which to me seems to make the most sense.
[12:58] <fabbione> that's the whole reason of all those errors
[12:58] <wasabi_> the /initrd directory confuses me
[12:58] <seb128> fabbione: no ...
[12:58] <Knorrie> fabbione: i have a base.xml in /etc/X11/xkb/rules
[12:58] <seb128> fabbione: do you have this file?
[12:58] <HiddenWolf> seb128, I'm having a very odd reproducible bug with keyboard applet
[12:58] <fabbione> seb128: yes i do
[12:58] <fabbione> Knorrie: sorry.. rules/
[12:59] <Knorrie> fabbione: xkeyboard-config is already the newest version. :)
[12:59] <seb128> fabbione: right
[12:59] <fabbione> seb128: at that point yes.. it's not it
[12:59] <HiddenWolf> seb128, gtk skinning goes on and off if I select a layout that's not US English
[12:59] <fabbione> seb128: it can still be corrupted and contain invalid xml
[12:59] <Knorrie> HiddenWolf: here too :)
[12:59] <seb128> Knorrie: what about reading the dialog instead opening a bunch of them ?
[12:59] <Knorrie> seb128: lol
[12:59] <seb128> HiddenWolf: known, fixed but not pushed for 5.10
[12:59] <HiddenWolf> seb128, cool
[01:00] <HiddenWolf> Knorrie, suck it up for now
[01:00] <HiddenWolf> seb128, thanks
[01:00] <seb128> HiddenWolf: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15372
[01:00] <seb128> np
[01:00] <HiddenWolf> seb128, interesting
[01:01] <fabbione> Kamion: what version of the ubuntu-server has been published? .2 ?
[01:02] <fabbione> never mind
[01:02] <mdz> fabbione: aren't you supposed to be asleep? ;-)
[01:03] <fabbione> mdz: when you said if i finished my tests, i suddenly remembered that i could test ubuntu-server
[01:03] <HiddenWolf> seb128, I understand it only happens when you have multiple layouts in the preferences dialog?
[01:04] <seb128> HiddenWolf: yep
[01:04] <mdz> fabbione: nah, I said if you had updated BreezyTestPlan for the tests you had already done
[01:04] <fabbione> mdz: yes i did that too :)
[01:05] <sistpoty> still time to request a sync?
[01:05] <mdz> sistpoty: for universe
[01:05] <sistpoty> yep
[01:05] <sistpoty> cool
[01:05] <HiddenWolf> seb128, weird, not for me. I can set US-int, delte us-english, and it still keeps un-/rethemeing the windows.
[01:05] <mdz> might not be processed before we close the archive, though
[01:05] <mdz> but not too late to try
[01:05] <sistpoty> ok, thx mdz
[01:06] <seb128> HiddenWolf: that's a combinaison of options doing that, maybe your keyboard variant does it
[01:06] <sistpoty> elmo: could you please sync gtalk (0.99.10-10) (no ubuntu patches there)?
[01:07] <mdz> first DVD burning, finally
[01:07] <HiddenWolf> seb128, i'll not keep you.
[01:08] <mdz> Kamion: oh good
[01:08] <Kamion> ogra: Edubuntu DVDs published
[01:08] <Kamion> I won't be able to do powerpc auto-resize, I don't think
[01:08] <Kamion> but I can do the rest
[01:09] <Kamion> er, nor powerpc erase-whole-disk, but that's been done
[01:10] <fabbione> ok i am off
[01:10] <fabbione> cya in 4:50 minutes
[01:10] <fabbione> minute more, minute less
[01:10] <fabbione> :)
[01:10] <spstarr> mdz: #8879
[01:11] <Kamion> mdz: I'm running the ports builds now; all release builds are complete
[01:11] <seb128_> 'night fabbione
[01:11] <fabbione> night
[01:11] <spstarr> User has Fedora Core, no problem occuring, solution: Remove qlogicisp or disable it
[01:11] <mdz> spstarr: please follow up to bugzilla
[01:12] <dholbach> night fabbionne
[01:13] <ogra> Kamion, thanks
[01:14] <ogra> Kamion, i just did a edubuntu server install, there is a tail -f /var/log/base-config-pkgsel.log left in the process list after install
[01:14] <Kamion> ogra: yeah, known, I never did figure out how to get rid of that neatly
[01:15] <jordi> I'm off to bed. In case I miss it, good luck with the release, folks.
[01:15] <Kamion> it'll go away on reboot
[01:15] <Kamion> it's a bug of course
[01:15] <ogra> Kamion, minor :)
[01:16] <Kamion> well, it's irritating that you don't get the use of that console
[01:16] <HiddenWolf> OMG, the fridge is heating up. :)
[01:16] <HiddenWolf> Eat the icecream before it's melted.
[01:16] <Keybuk> you put ice cream in the fridge?
[01:16] <HiddenWolf> Keybuk, combo unit
[01:17] <HiddenWolf> -> fridge.ubuntu.com timing out
[01:18] <\sh> mvo: good morning :)
[01:18] <mvo> \sh: hello
[01:19] <dobwan> HiddenWolf, to many of us trying to get there at once. I put ice cream in a dish and eat it :-), time for me to be silent and watch again
[01:20] <HiddenWolf> dobwan, that's silly, on what kind of server is it? :S
[01:21] <Keybuk> HiddenWolf: isn't really -devel relevant though
[01:21] <HiddenWolf> Keybuk, rodger
[01:21] <Kamion> mdz: we seem to be doing OK with publishing DVDs at the same time as CDs, but I think I'm going to publish them to cdimage this time rather than releases
[01:21] <Kamion> mdz: elmo was complaining about the fullness of releases, with some justification
[01:21] <wasabi_> jbailey, did you get my earlier messages?
[01:22] <mdz> Kamion: yes, I agree
[01:23] <Kamion> ok, this install thinks it's in Swiss French, German keyboard, and timezone Canada/Saskatchewan
[01:23] <Kamion> this'll be one confused little system
[01:23] <jdub> righto
[01:23] <jdub> i'm here
[01:23] <jdub> ubuntu-artwork update coming in a moment
[01:23] <seb128_> jdub: good one :)
[01:24] <jdub> :-)
[01:24] <Kamion> 22:40 < mdz> Kamion: tell him to stop by on his way through here next time for
[01:24] <Kamion>              a whipping
[01:24] <jdub> *LOVE* to the FREEDOM BRINGERS!
[01:24] <jdub> how is it going?
[01:24] <jdub> we are drinking champagne-like stuff
[01:24] <jdub> in celebration
[01:24] <mdz> jdub: don't curse us with premature celebration
[01:24] <HiddenWolf> jdub, something nice in there? :)
[01:24] <dholbach> hahaha :)
[01:25] <seb128_> jdub: what about putting a real ics url for the calendar so clicking on it opens the webcal magic? :)
[01:25] <daniels> Kamion: i'll be interested to see what the final xkb layout is
[01:25] <ogra> jdub, your fridge is full
[01:25] <jdub> seb128: hrm, it doesn't?
[01:26] <jdub> seb128: it shoud have the right mime tuype
[01:26] <seb128> jdub: there is a redirection to somewhere and I get the download dialog
[01:26] <Kamion> daniels: server install, unfortunately, but I can install xserver-xorg and see what happens
[01:26] <daniels> Kamion: booo ;)
[01:26] <daniels> Kamion: i don't care too much, just morbid curiousity; per -devel, I'm now convinced that the entire logic behind xkb layout selection is fundamentally fucked
[01:27] <HiddenWolf> daniels, A beer if you fix it in time for release. On a silver platter. :D
[01:27] <daniels> HiddenWolf: ...
[01:27] <HiddenWolf> daniels, </joke>
[01:29] <sistpoty> daniels: is xprint worth fixing?
[01:29] <daniels> sistpoty: you didn't get my mail earlier?
[01:29] <sistpoty> daniels: no, unfortunately not... maybe my universities mail-server is f*cked again
[01:30] <daniels> sistpoty: short answer is: main, no, but some freaks seem to want a functioning xprint in universe, so probably
[01:30] <sistpoty> daniels: ok, thx
[01:31] <dholbach> sounds like time for a DeFreakingUniverse BOF :)
[01:31] <ogra> LOL
[01:31] <slomo> daniels: is xprint obsolete? or shall i fix it (if it's really broken)?
[01:31] <sistpoty> slomo: read backlog ;)
[01:31] <slomo> ok ;)
[01:32] <daniels> slomo: just stabbing yourself in the head directly is more effective
[01:32] <HiddenWolf> daniels, can't be _that_ bad?
[01:32] <daniels> xprint has the same effect, it just takes longer
[01:32] <daniels> HiddenWolf: you'd think that, and then you realise that selection of config file is based on what locale you start the server in
[01:32] <ogra> argh... damn, edubuntu workstation failed in archive copier grmpf...
[01:32] <mdz> amd64 dvd live OK, install in progress
[01:33] <HiddenWolf> daniels, that's stupid, but not terminal.
[01:33] <slomo> daniels: ok, i'll add it to my "don't touch" list ;)
[01:33] <daniels> HiddenWolf: only one of the many stupidities rampant through xprint
[01:33] <Kamion> ogra: failed in what way?
[01:33] <HiddenWolf> daniels, I get the piont. :)
[01:33] <ogra> Kamion, copying axorg package i think my iso is corrupt :(
[01:34] <ogra> just retrying
[01:34] <HiddenWolf> ogra, that's what verification of burned cd's is for. :P
[01:34] <Kamion> ogra: I'd guess a scratched CD or a dirty drive before a corrupt ISO
[01:35] <ogra> yup, could also be the case, but doesnt save me from copying the iso over to a machine without os...my writer is in the test machine currently...
[01:36] <HiddenWolf> daniels, xprint is hosted at mozdev.org, and typo's are rampant throughtout the site.  Won't extract preserving perms based on uid number. =(
[01:38] <mdz> wasabi_: --numeric-owner doesn't work on extract?
[01:38] <daniels> Kamion: i plan to sit down at some point, go through all the d-i maps, and come up with a d-i -> xkb mapping
[01:38] <Kamion> daniels: (looks like a lack of any kind of handling for debian-installer/keymap == mac-usb-* in .config)
[01:39] <mbreit> why is there no svgalib on amd64? it is on architecture any and builds fine on amd64...
[01:39] <daniels> Kamion: err, we do ##mac-usb-
[01:39] <Kamion> daniels: so in general powerpc is going to be confused
[01:39] <Kamion> oh, so you do
[01:39] <daniels>   db_get debian-installer/keymap || debug_report_status "db_get debian-installer/keymap"
[01:39] <\sh> _mvo_: ISH?
[01:39] <daniels>   DI_KEYMAP="${RET##mac-usb-}"
[01:39] <mbreit> but the buildd does only build it for x86.
[01:39] <dholbach> \sh: wifi rather
[01:39] <daniels> it's just a general lack of handling console layouts
[01:39] <Kamion> it's mac-usb-de-latin1
[01:39] <wasabi_> mdz not for directories.
[01:39] <daniels> and instead trying to infer it from languages
[01:39] <daniels> which is insane
[01:39] <\sh> dholbach: right...
[01:39] <daniels> Kamion: right, we only deal with the deadkeys case
[01:39] <Kamion> which seems to be unhandled
[01:39] <daniels> er, with the nodeadkeys case
[01:39] <slomo> mbreit: probably in pas
[01:40] <wasabi_> acutally I see the prob.
[01:40] <wasabi_> Tar hasn't actually tarred the dirs
[01:40] <Kamion> daniels: yeah, although it's a lot better than it was
[01:40] <daniels> Kamion: markedly, yeah
[01:40] <\sh> does anybody need a d-link DI-524 with a d-link DWL-G122 USB Stick?
[01:40] <\sh> router is european version :(
[01:41] <slomo> \sh: the usb stick is this prism2 thing?
[01:41] <\sh> slomo: no...
[01:41] <ogra> Kamion, second try worked :)
[01:41] <slomo> \sh: what driver does it need? ;)
[01:41] <\sh> slomo: ndiswrapper somehow
[01:42] <slomo> \sh: oh... even worse than linux-wlan-ng ;) ok, i won't take it :P
[01:42] <\sh> 54MBit/s
[01:42] <wasabi_> wow that sucks.
[01:42] <wasabi_> I didn't know tar did that.
[01:42] <jbailey> Let's see if this dvd burner works...
[01:42] <wasabi_> jbailey, did you get my stuff from earlier? :)
[01:44] <jbailey> wasabi_: Stuff? =)
[01:44] <wasabi_> kernelextras calls force_load for vesafb
[01:44] <wasabi_> which loads the one not in initrd
[01:44] <jbailey> Right.
[01:45] <jbailey> I saw that..  Which makes me wonder why it works for me now.. =)
[01:45] <wasabi_> Well, verify you have /lib/modules/*/initrd in your initrd, I don't.
[01:45] <wasabi_> Doesn't seem to be required.
[01:45] <ogra> meh, i can never ses the edubuntu usplash to its end... damn adaptec, 1min to probe devices is so odd...
[01:46] <jbailey> wasabi_: Force_load would take care of it otherwise.
[01:46] <wasabi_> Ahh, that's true. Yeah, it woudl be loaded.
[01:46] <wasabi_> Still usplash spits an error.
[01:46] <jbailey> module loading happens after usplashinitialisation...
[01:47] <wasabi_> usplash itself tries to load vesafb in init-top
[01:47] <jbailey> Right
[01:47] <wasabi_> Which fails.
[01:47] <wasabi_> And prints ot an error.
[01:47] <mbreit> lamont: ping
[01:50] <\sh> elmo: please sync atanks from debian unstable (ubuntu override OK), thx
[01:54] <jbailey> i386 dvd live is giving me a fata ext2 module not found.
[01:55] <Kamion> I can't remember if ext2 is built-in on i386; if not, is there an ext2-modules-*.udeb on the disk?
[01:55] <doko> hmm, are smp kernels not fetched on install, if I have network? it get's the -k8 kernel, but not -k8-smp
[01:55] <Kamion> doko: neither -k8 nor -k8-smp is fetched in a CD install, only -generic. Is this netboot?
[01:56] <Kamion> it might not detect SMP properly though; that's been a moderately long-standing issue with base-installer, recently improved upstream
[01:56] <doko> Kamion: no, DVD install
[01:56] <Kamion> ah, right
[01:56] <Kamion> as above then
[01:56] <jbailey> Kamion: NM.  When I do ls in /cdrom, I'm getting IO Errors.
[01:56] <Kamion> jbailey: ah
[01:56] <segfault> how's the test going?
[01:57] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyTestPlan
[01:58] <\sh> elmo: please sync trickle from debian unstable, thx
[01:58] <segfault> nice, all PASS
[01:59] <jdub> elmo: ping - where's the fridge?
[02:00] <doko> Kamion: no, it did install -generic, -k8-smp and -k8, the latter as the default
[02:00] <whiprush> jdub: Chief Refrigeration Engineer to #ubuntu-sounder please!
[02:00] <jdub> elmo: perhaps we need to crank up the # of apache processes?
[02:00] <Kamion> doko: please file a base-installer bug with contents of /proc/cpuinfo, I'll chase that up later
[02:01] <mdz> jdub: elmo was in the data centre until some ridiculous hour of daylight this morning; I don't think he's around
[02:01] <glick> excuse me, when you make a makefile, what does the error "missing seperator" mean?
[02:01] <jdub> hrm, i can imagine that
[02:02] <elmo> I am around
[02:02] <elmo> tho it seems humboldt has more fundamental problems than apache
[02:02] <mdz> Kamion: I correctly got -amd64-k8 in my dvd install, fwiw
[02:03] <mdz> jbailey: any further ppc64 progress?
[02:03] <jbailey> mdz: I'm burning a ppc64 live dvd right now.
[02:03] <jdub> elmo: hrm, tho i can log into it
[02:03] <mdz> jbailey: were you able to do a CD install test?
[02:04] <Kamion> mdz: at the moment it uses a really dodgy test for SMP that involves grepping dmesg, and the ring buffer has probably wrapped by that stage so it'll in practice always assume UP
[02:04] <Kamion> I think that's fixed upstream
[02:04] <jbailey> mdz: It's where I sync everything to, so I don't have enough drivespace elsewhere to copy my data to. =(  I think I can do it last by deleteing all of the CD and DVD images that I have.
[02:04] <elmo> jdub: yeah, I'm on crack - up the maxclients
[02:04] <mjg59> My Universe upload is entirely due to Robot101
[02:04] <elmo> silly php forcing prefork
[02:05] <mdz> Kamion: BenC has an idea to give us smp support out of the box without penalty for dapper maybe
[02:05] <mjg59> All blame should go to him
[02:05] <jdub> elmo: i can't do that tho :-)
[02:05] <elmo> jdub: up-ed
[02:05] <jdub> thanks :-)
[02:05] <jdub> ooh
[02:05] <jdub> gosh
[02:05] <jdub> significantly so
[02:05] <Kamion> mdz: works for me either way
[02:05] <elmo> jdub: box isn't doing anything else ;)
[02:05] <jdub> :-)
[02:05] <jdub> thanks!
[02:06] <Unfrgiven> elmo: hi. there is a package called introdeveloperdocs in the new queue. its a breezy goal. can it be put into universe please? no rush, just wanted to make sure it gets into breezy.
[02:06] <ogra> mjg59, haha, your name sticks last in the changelog :)
[02:06] <elmo> Unfrgiven: "no rush".. good one
[02:06] <mdz> jdub: the fridge's google rankings need work
[02:07] <elmo> there needs to be a MOTU freeze for the next release - or I need to not be processing the archive stuff
[02:07] <mdz> Unfrgiven: heh, "no rush, just make sure it gets in the release which is releasing VERY VERY SHORTLY"
[02:07] <mdz> elmo: anything landing in queue/new this late is not a priority
[02:07] <sistpoty> hehe
[02:08] <Unfrgiven> elmo: mdz: my apologies. ive had some personal reasons i could not get this in quicker. ive been in touch with janew the last few weeks and have spent many hours trying to do it as soon as possible. i guess all i could do is try to do what i could. im really sorry about the delay.
[02:09] <\sh> mdz: and only one clisp sync didn't build on the buildd but in any pbuilder...and I'm in need of infinity/lamont to have a look there...cause it's not right
[02:10] <_mvo_> hm, I got some a postinst error from postfix on hoary->breezy upgrade (hoary-security+hoary-updates)
[02:10] <elmo> \sh:  and that's exactly why universe being unfrozen is such a horrible mistake
[02:10] <elmo> \sh: because the last thing we need is our buildd maintainers spending time on anything but main, 24 hours or less before release
[02:11] <\sh> elmo: yes, we know...and it will change for dapper...but thanks to every transition we had
[02:11] <Robot101> drink through it
[02:12] <Keybuk> I had a similar "discussion" with the bzr guys the other day
[02:12] <\sh> Robot101: there is no drink anymore
[02:12] <Robot101> harsh
[02:13] <ogra> \sh, you should have come over here today already then :)
[02:13] <\sh> Robot101: amarok killed at least 9MB of my braincells so it has to regenrate until friday
[02:13] <Robot101> I recommend not involving ogra, drinking and universe uploads :P
[02:13] <ogra> *g*
[02:14] <\sh> ogra: I wanted to take off 2 days..but friday two others are off, so I can only have my fun today ;)
[02:14] <LaserJock> elmo: sorry to bug you at such a busy time, but did you happen to get my sync request for dvi2ps and wterm?
[02:14] <\sh> ok...this is it for me...
[02:15] <\sh> no more uploads
[02:15] <jdub> whhooooaa
[02:15] <jdub> fridge is getting some serious hit action
[02:15] <ogra> \sh, bah, lamer
[02:15] <\sh> breezy buildds + archives are just closed for me now
[02:15] <ogra> ;)
[02:15] <Keybuk> elmo: today I discovered that Sainsbury's sell Pizza Express Cheesecake
[02:16] <elmo> !!!!!!!!!
[02:16] <\sh> ogra: I'll send now a mail to elmo with the last stuff...so if this is going in, ok, if not, also ok
[02:16] <elmo> fuck, it's 1am.  they're closed
[02:16] <Robot101> master of the roflverse
[02:16] <jbailey> "pizza express cheesecake"?
[02:17] <jbailey> I'm trying to render those words into something that is food, and failing...
[02:17] <\sh> elmo: thx that's what I wanted to hear...
[02:17] <\sh> elmo: no mail
[02:17] <Kamion> \sh: I think he means Sainsbury's, not the buildds
[02:18] <mdz> jdub: what's with the fist-sized unmatched double quotes on the fridge?
[02:18] <ogra> mdz, design element :p
[02:18] <\sh> Kamion: u see :( I'm just tired
[02:19] <mdz> jbailey: cheesecake such as can be purchased at Pizza Express
[02:20] <mdz> an important restaurant in the history of Ubuntu
[02:20] <slomo> elmo: please sync bibletime_1.5.1-1 from debian/unstable... fixes unmet deps/ftbfs
[02:20] <ajmitch> cheesecake & pizza? hm
[02:20] <elmo> LaserJock: pls mail me
[02:20] <LaserJock> elmo: I did (my name is Jordan Mantha)
[02:21] <elmo> ok, then I'll get to it
[02:21] <Keybuk> mdz: Mark still has the napkins, I believe
[02:21] <LaserJock> elmo: thanks so much
[02:22] <jbailey> mdz: Oh.  He's not sprinkling cheescake on pizza?
[02:22] <Kamion> I was about to say that we decided on the version numbering scheme in PE, but we didn't, it was in some cafe or other
[02:22] <Keybuk> that was The Crescent
[02:22] <mdz> archive-copier certainly is snappy in the server install
[02:22] <jbailey> I've heard that elmo has... unusual dietary needs.
[02:22] <slomo> elmo: and please sync trickle 1.07-4 and bubblemon 2.0.4-3 for \sh
[02:22] <mjg59> I DENY EVERYTHING
[02:22] <elmo> slomo: I don't do proxied sync requests
[02:22] <elmo> not if both parties are MOTU
[02:23] <jdub> mdz: HATE!
[02:23] <jbailey> I am apparently a huge packrat.  I had no idea I have 70Gb of crap on this harddrive until I wanted to back the bloody thing up.
[02:23] <jbailey> *sigh*
[02:23] <ajmitch> jbailey: oh that's not much
[02:23] <ajmitch> jbailey: I easily cleaned up 40-50GB of general junk recently :)
[02:24] <bob2> the crescent being the only cafe in london to make flat whites, too
[02:24] <ajmitch> and that's before I start really cleaning
[02:24] <ajmitch> bob2: what?!
[02:24] <mjg59> jdub: Your mother dresses you funny
[02:24] <Keybuk> bob2: that was the-cafe-formally-known-as-the-crescent
[02:24] <Kamion> I dunno, I think 70GB is quite a lot if you aren't a compulsive music/video downloader or whatever
[02:24] <Keybuk> I can't remember what it's called now
[02:24] <Keybuk> the burger's aren't as good now
[02:24] <jbailey> This is almost all cvstrees and builds.
[02:25] <bob2> it claims to be a bar now
[02:25] <ajmitch> Kamion: it's easy if you build a lot of universe packages
[02:25] <bob2> restaurant bar, anyway
[02:25] <slomo> elmo: ok... sorry
[02:25] <ajmitch> but that's a different sort of compulsion :)
[02:25] <elmo> oh, the cross bar
[02:25] <elmo> I was wondering what you guys were talking about
[02:25] <Keybuk> libnspr is known-newer in hoary-updates right?
[02:25] <bob2> that''s the one
[02:25] <Keybuk> (than breezy)
[02:26] <mdz> Kamion: the suppression of resize mode in oem is intentional, right?
[02:26] <Kamion> mdz: there's no such suppression
[02:26] <Keybuk> ah, yes, that's the one pitti was complaining about dpkg doing the right thing
[02:26] <Kamion> mdz: at a guess, you're running into partition table limits
[02:27] <mdz> Kamion: er
[02:27] <mjg59> Kamion: "Your"
[02:27] <mjg59> (lie)
[02:27] <mdz> Kamion: I already did an auto-resize install on this box earlier today
[02:27] <mdz> Kamion: and after that erased it
[02:27] <Kamion> mdz: you probably have three primary partitions already
[02:27] <mdz> so it currently has just ext3 + swap
[02:27] <Kamion> hmm
[02:27] <mdz> hmm, maybe I didn't erase it
[02:27] <mdz> I did the erase install first, then the resize one
[02:28] <mdz> so yeah, probably primary partitions
[02:28] <mdz> possible and plausible
[02:28] <Kamion> it's annoying, but really hard to do better
[02:28] <Kamion> you have to start moving partitions around in a number of cases
[02:29] <Kamion> we could improve it somewhat by not creating primary partitions so gratuitously
[02:29] <mdz> Kamion: what about making everything logical partitions except the very first one?
[02:29] <wasabi_> (what about using LVM by default)
[02:29] <Kamion> mdz: that's what we do, but with successive installs you accumulate "very first one"s
[02:29] <mdz> there's only one VERY first one
[02:29] <mdz> i.e., if it already exists, use all logicals
[02:29] <Kamion> mdz: ah, right, well that's basically what I said above, yes
[02:29] <mdz> in fact it wouldn't have a choice
[02:30] <mdz> if all the remaining space was occupied by an extended partition
[02:30] <Kamion> also reusing existing swap partitions in automatic partitioning would help a lot
[02:30] <Kamion> mdz: extended partitions are extremely fluid when using parted
[02:30] <mdz> Kamion: it'll resize an extended partition with logical partitions in it to make room for a new primary?
[02:31] <Kamion> parted generally makes them only as big as necessary to fit around the logical partitions
[02:31] <mdz> that's extreme
[02:31] <mdz> oh, on that end you mean
[02:31] <Kamion> mdz: parted views extended partitions as just red tape
[02:31] <Kamion> it mostly deals only in primary and logical partitions
[02:32] <Kamion> which makes things a lot easier to comprehend, for frontends trying to be mostly disklabel-agnostic
[02:32] <mdz> is it impossible to deal with extended partitions directly?
[02:32] <mdz> or do we just not do it currently?
[02:33] <Mithrandir> it's painful to do so, at least.
[02:33] <Kamion> why would you want to?
[02:33] <Mithrandir> partman's UI already sucks enough. :-)
[02:34] <Kamion> when partman goes to resize a logical partition, it first expands the extended partition to fill all the contiguous space it can, then does the resize, then contracts the extended partition as far as possible
[02:34] <mdz> because in general it's better to have a big extended partition with freespace in it than unpartitioned space which requires a new primary partition to use
[02:34] <Kamion> mdz: if you tell partman to create a logical partition, it will sort out the extended partition automatically
[02:34] <mdz> Kamion: but it will make it only as large as it needs to be to accomodate the logical partition
[02:35] <Kamion> if it's all empty, it doesn't matter whether it's extended or unpartitioned
[02:35] <Kamion> mdz: yes, but that's entirely irrelevant
[02:35] <mdz> I'm saying create a primary partition, then swallow the rest of the disk with an extended partition
[02:35] <Kamion> pointless
[02:35] <mdz> are you saying that partman can't figure that one out, either?
[02:35] <Kamion> if partman-auto goes to create logicals, the extended will be resized automatically to cope
[02:36] <Mithrandir> it might be actively bad in the oem case, since the OEM might want to put a primary at the end of the disk for a rescue partition.
[02:36] <Kamion> mdz: I'm saying it figures it out already and shouldn't be micromanaged
[02:36] <mdz> then why does it fail here?
[02:36] <mdz> it isn't figuring it out; it's crying in the corner
[02:36] <Kamion> that's partman-auto, not partman
[02:36] <mdz> ...
[02:36] <Kamion> you already have three primary partitions, and the partman-auto recipes currently say that / *must* be a primary partition
[02:37] <Kamion> in that situation it is not possible to create the partitions that the partman-auto recipe calls for
[02:37] <Kamion> this is a bug in the partman-auto recipe, really; it has nothing to do with handling of extended partitions
[02:37] <mdz> why? to support people using ineffectual bootloaders which can't read extended partitions?
[02:37] <Kamion> aside from situations where you can't put a logical partition somewhere because the extended partition is on the other side of a primary
[02:38] <Kamion> mdz: like I say, it's a bug
[02:38] <Kamion> but the solution is not to micromanage extended partitions
[02:38] <Kamion> doing that will only make partman's job harder
[02:38] <Riddell> is anyone able to test the kubuntu amd64 dvd?
[02:38] <Kamion> and will ultimately have no useful effect, because you'd have to fix the recipes *anyway*
[02:39] <mdz> another quarter of an hour wasted because partman insists on being a billion different pieces
[02:39] <doko> Riddell: I can start to sync it, but will head to bed soon ...
[02:39] <mdz> if I'd said partman-auto instead of partman a few times earlier, we would have finished this conversation very quickly
[02:39] <Riddell> doko: that would be great, I still have powerpc to download so no major rush
[02:39] <Kamion> erm, no, you're saying this strange stuff about extended partitions that just makes no sense either way
[02:40] <mdz> and the i386 dvd has almost arrived
[02:40] <calc> the best part about d-i is how the partition program doesn't use real gigabytes, it uses that lovely ieee bullshit, however lvm configurer uses real gigabytes
[02:40] <mdz> Kamion: it makes sense to me, or I wouldn't be speaking it
[02:41] <Kamion> mdz: I've found that when dealing with PC partition tables it is best to forget entirely about extended partitions unless you're actively dealing with the low-level table constraints stuff
[02:42] <mdz> Kamion: a good strategy for not running out of primary partitions is to stop using primary partitions wherever possible and use logical partitions instead
[02:42] <Kamion> just dealing in primaries/logicals is so much more straightforward, and all you need to remember is that the logicals must be contiguous
[02:42] <Kamion> mdz: I certainly don't disagree
[02:42] <mdz> Kamion: now I have expressed my idea without using the term 'extended partition'
[02:42] <Kamion> right :-)
[02:43] <ogra> *g*
[02:43] <hno73> mdz: I've posted the 5.10 release notes here: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/releasenotes510 It's just a copy of the wiki version with some HTML clean-up. It's not yet 'published' so you have to be logged in to see it. Let me know when I should publish it (or alternatively just link to the wiki version).
[02:43] <Kamion> mdz: I'm afraid I've been utterly bogged down in the details of late, so perhaps I'm taking things too literally
[02:43] <mdz> hno73: I'm wary of having so many copies of the release notes; they're already in the wiki, the release announcement, the ubuntu-docs package and now this one
[02:44] <mdz> 1.5 hours to get breezy-dvd-i386, gar
[02:44] <hno73> mdz: right. shall I just do a link to the wiki one from the website then?
[02:45] <dholbach> good night guys, i'm off to bed
[02:45] <ogra> mdz,
[02:45] <ogra> breezy-dvd-i386.iso
[02:45] <hno73> mdz: the advantage of the website one is that it cannot be changed by random people
[02:45] <ogra>    675333475  27%   89.00kB/s    5:41:28
[02:45] <ogra> thats nothing
[02:45] <dieman> heh
[02:45] <_mvo_> night dholbach
[02:45] <dholbach> nicht michael
[02:45] <Kamion> doch
[02:45] <daniels> Keybuk: pizza express cheesecake is overrated
[02:45] <ogra> dholbach,  night holbi
[02:46] <dholbach> haha
[02:46] <Keybuk> daniels: I agree, but elmo doesn't
[02:46] <mdz> hno73: so far all of the changes from random people have been of reasonable quality, but yes, that's a concern
[02:46] <dholbach> grawi :)
[02:46] <ogra> ;)
[02:46] <_mvo_> ogri
[02:46] <elmo> the pe cheesecake will have the last on you all
[02:46] <ogra> dholbach,  thats how they called me at school ;)
[02:46] <ajmitch> heh
[02:46] <jbailey> ppc64 live dvd is good, same cdrom eject problem
[02:46] <mdz> hno73: how long ago did you copy it?
[02:46] <dholbach> :)
[02:46] <jbailey> (waited 90 seconds for it)
[02:47] <mdz> hno73: it seems to be missing the oem install instructions that Kamion added to the wiki
[02:47] <bob2> after a hard days work, you need a nice cold be^wcheesecake
[02:47] <hno73> mdz: ~45 minutes ago
[02:47] <Kamion> mdz: (FWIW, I didn't add most of them, they were there before I got there - I did correct them more recently though)
[02:48] <mdz> hno73: oh, I see, it's just further down in your version
[02:48] <mdz> hno73: looks fine to me
[02:49] <hno73> mdz: I think the structure is the same
[02:49] <mdz> hno73: maybe I'm crack-addled then; I thought it was directly under Desktop and Server before
[02:50] <hno73> Default and Server
[02:50] <Kamion> powerpc/oem ok, apart from a frankly bizarre default language choice offered by oem-config
[02:50] <hno73> just above known issues
[02:50] <mdz> Kamion: ah, it was jsgotangco
[02:50] <mdz> Kamion: who added the oem stuff yesterday
[02:51] <Kamion> sounds right
[02:51] <doko> correct, that server install doesn't show the splash screen?
[02:51] <Kamion>  2. Note login sound, if equipped with appropriate hardware
[02:51] <hno73> mdz: I can check the wiki version tomorrow for important changes and port them over
[02:51] <Kamion> there's a login sound?
[02:52] <Kamion> doko: yes
[02:52] <mdz> Kamion: you don't hear the login sound?
[02:52] <infinity> Kamion : Yes, there's a login sound.
[02:52] <Kamion> perhaps it's very quiet compared to app launches or something
[02:52] <Kamion> mdz: don't seem to
[02:52] <mdz> Kamion: it's very quiet on the headphone jack of this G4 at default volume
[02:52] <mdz> but it's quite impossible to miss on the other machines
[02:53] <Kamion> that could be it; sound played through this laptop speaker is not ideal
[02:53] <infinity> Is universe closed yet, or can I upload fixes for this last round of build failures?
[02:53] <Kamion> mdz: ah, I can hear it if I put my ear right against the speaker
[02:53] <\sh> infinity: clisp?
[02:54] <mdz> Kamion: powerpc systems seem to have wildly differing ideas about what's loud
[02:54] <infinity> \sh : haskell-http, 2vcard, clamassassin, clisp...
[02:54] <Nafallo> "And up to now, the buildds are not closed." according to \sh's blog :-)
[02:55] <mdz> \sh will continue to upload until someone throws the switch
[02:55] <\sh> no
[02:56] <mdz> \sh: no? ;-)
[02:56] <ajmitch> if I have time I've still got a few non-urgent uploads to put together :)
[02:56] <\sh> mdz: 2005-10-13 00:30 UTC <--- date + time of stopping my work...
[02:56] <Kamion> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Breezy Badger_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / breezy main restricted
[02:57] <Kamion> uh-huh
[02:57] <Nafallo> lol
[02:57] <ogra> Kamion, dont do that, it causes bad dreams
[02:57] <Kamion> mdz: it's just strange that one sound is very quiet while the others are quite load
[02:57] <Kamion> loud
[02:58] <infinity> Kamion : They're not that drastically different on my laptop...
[02:58] <jammcq> hey guys, everybody sleeping after the awesome release?
[02:58] <ogra> jammcq, after ??
[02:58] <infinity> Kamion : OTOH, I'm probably going to re-floor all the sounds in dapper anyway, since our sounds ARE too loud.
[02:58] <ajmitch> jammcq: we're still going..
[02:59] <Nafallo> infinity: they are?
[02:59] <jammcq> oh, I was watching the fridge.ubuntu.com, and it was doing a countdown earlier
[02:59] <infinity> Nafallo : Quite, yes.
[03:00] <mdz> Kamion: oh, you hear the other sounds? that is odd
[03:00] <Nafallo> jammcq: don't trust the fridge dude ;-P
[03:00] <Kamion> jammcq: fridge has an interesting idea of when the release is - interesting but wrong (time-wise - it's right date-wise)
[03:00] <mdz> they're not very different in volume here at all, either
[03:00] <Kamion> jdub: can you fix the way fridge thinks the release is 00:00?
[03:00] <Nafallo> infinity: it was perfect here with preview :-)
[03:00] <infinity> Nafallo : Watch a DVD or something.  Stop the DVD.  Launch an app.  Watch your speakers visibily pop.
[03:00] <jdub> Kamion: when do you want it set?
[03:00] <jammcq> heh, I figured if I read it on the internet, it must be true :)
[03:00] <Kamion> sometime in the future would be a good start
[03:00] <jdub> :-)
[03:00] <Nafallo> infinity: oh. will try that next time :-)
[03:01] <Kamion> I don't particularly want to set precise expectations; does it have to be given a time?
[03:01] <jdub> it's an event
[03:01] <crimsun> "we'll release by october 13, 2006" should cover it :-)
[03:01] <jdub> Kamion: ok, i've given you 12 hours ;)
[03:01] <Nafallo> jdub: events can't last from say... 00:00 to 23:59? :-)
[03:02] <Kamion> jdub: ta
[03:02] <Kamion> will do for the moment
[03:02] <jdub> well, yes, but then it will be NOW for the whole day
[03:02] <daniels> infinity: to be fair, DVDs are incredibly quiet compared to anything else
[03:02] <mdz> jdub: when will NOW be THEN?  SOON!
[03:02] <jdub> mdz: hahahahaha
[03:02] <Nafallo> :-)
[03:02] <\sh> so guys...laying in bed and waiting
[03:03] <Nafallo> \sh: well, I'm not going to join you this night ;-)
[03:04] <\sh> Nafallo: hahahha
[03:05] <infinity> daniels : Yes, DVDs are quiet for a good reason, though.
[03:06] <infinity> daniels : Mainly that if you use the full 16/44.1 range provided to you by modern sound systems, you don't NEED everything to be full envelope for it to sound good (so you can reserve most of that envelope for things that actually ARE loud)
[03:06] <daniels> infinity: right
[03:07] <daniels> infinity: but I'm just saying, possib;ly not the best benchmark to compare everything against
[03:07] <elmo> did someone mention glxgears?
[03:07] <daniels> (i'm familiar with the problem of modern CDs, being that they're generally amplified to shit, to the point where you WHAT
[03:07] <daniels> elmo: ... what about glxgears
[03:07] <infinity> daniels : <shrug>... System sounds should be subtle.  If a system sound while playing a DVD makes your head explode, I think there's an issue. :)
[03:07] <daniels> elmo: oh, I see.  nm.
[03:08] <daniels> elmo: i think we need a new benchmark though.  'my video card is as good as 7.3 pizza express cheesecakes.'
[03:08] <daniels> 'dude, how fast is concordia?' 'at least 5.9 pecs'
[03:09] <\sh> hmmmm
[03:09] <\sh> this speaker of this portege r200 sounds like those old small little mobile radios
[03:12] <mdz> amd64 is the first to go gold, CD and DVD
[03:12] <doko> hmm, server install on i386 fails (on a logical partition, /dev/hda7): exiting on error base-install/cannot_install
[03:12] <Kamion> there should be useful stuff in /var/log/{messages,syslog}
[03:14] <mdz> Kamion: how are your powerpc tests going?
[03:14] <Kamion> mdz: normal install in archive-copier
[03:14] <Kamion> all looks fine so far
[03:15] <Kamion> unfortunately my bizarre network arrangements here mean that I have to wait for the laptop to come back before I can start rsyncing the DVD
[03:15] <Kamion> so it may be a while; I expect to be up until release now, I think
[03:15] <desrt> man.  breezy = busted
[03:15] <mdz> I'm in the same boat; the laptop owns the DVD burner here
[03:16] <Kamion> mdz: in this case it's because the machine with the disk space is only connected to the outside world via the laptop
[03:16] <desrt> there's a lot of small issues that just never got fixed :/
[03:16] <mdz> desrt: this is not a good place to vent right now; release time is stressful enough
[03:16] <Kamion> there are always a lot of small issues that never got fixed
[03:16] <desrt> not venting.  a lot of the problems don't affect me or will soon not affect me
[03:16] <desrt> but point taken.
[03:17] <Kamion> welcome to time-based releases ...
[03:17] <ogra> *SIGH*
[03:17] <ogra> my CD is definately corropted argh
[03:17] <\sh> at least we like the SM way...pleasure and pain
[03:17] <Kamion> mdz: are you going to test the i386 DVD next? wondering which to grab
[03:17] <doko> Kamion: no, not really. some DEBUG messages, then the error message I typed in. The installer adds "No installable CD-ROM was found and no valid mirror was configured". The same DVD from which I completed the "erase disk install"
[03:17] <desrt> one big problem for example is that i can't find my wireless network card and therefore wireless networking isn't working :)
[03:18] <bob2> desrt: really really not a place to vent
[03:18] <mdz> Kamion: I have i386 already downloaded; once powerpc finishes I'll test them in parallel
[03:18] <mdz> another 60-90 minutes
[03:18] <Kamion> doko: if you completed the install from that, I don't see how a server install would break
[03:18] <Nafallo> \sh: yea, those are the same :-)
[03:18] <speel> well i think you guys are doing a great job :)
[03:18] <doko> Kamion: restarting ...
[03:19] <mdz> thanks, folks
[03:19] <speel> np
[03:19] <Kamion> doko: that error message is displayed when there's an error reading /cdrom/.disk/base_components
[03:20] <\sh> ogra: when finance department transfered the tax back money until friday...let's add 3x24 bottles ,)
[03:20] <Kamion> mdz: I'll be a good two or three hours behind that. oh well
[03:20] <mdz> Kamion: you planning to sleep at some point?
[03:21] <doko> _mvo_ ping
[03:21] <ogra> \sh, yeah
[03:21] <mdz> he was not kidding
[03:21] <ogra> heh
[03:21] <doko> well, that was quick :)
[03:22] <\sh> ogra: and one/two bottles of suses fav taste of drinks ;)
[03:22] <Kamion> mdz: not properly until after release, I think, unless it really gets drawn out
[03:22] <ogra> \sh, some good whisky will do...
[03:23] <ajmitch> \sh: put some in your suitcase for UBZ, please :)
[03:23] <\sh> ogra: that's what i meant
[03:23] <ogra> ajmitch, duty free ;)
[03:23] <\sh> ajmitch: for this ping riddell ;)
[03:23] <Riddell> hmm?
[03:23] <doko> Kamion: works the second time ...
[03:23] <Riddell> ahh
[03:23] <ogra> heh
[03:23] <\sh> Riddell: whisky is your area where the good stuff comes from
[03:24] <Riddell> true
[03:24] <Kamion> doko: ok
[03:24] <\sh> Riddell: and some remarks: all the people running kubuntu on their laptops in our company..they fell in love with the new kdm/splash theme
[03:25] <Riddell> \sh: oh cool
[03:25] <\sh> Riddell: and good thing..amarok 1.3.3 crashed for me 4 times today...different causes, same result
[03:26] <\sh> Riddell: 2 causes I can reproduce
[03:30] <Robot101> ogra: gnome-power-manager was so broken. I got mjg59 to fix it. there was no alcohol involved. honest.
[03:30] <ogra> Robot101, i dont belive you...
[03:30] <ogra> Robot101, but nice that he fixed it even if he was drunken :)
[03:31] <Robot101> -NICE_NAME +argv[0]
[03:31] <ogra> i guess so
[03:34] <Riddell> \sh: oh...good
[03:35] <\sh> Mithrandir: I wasn't complaining about a missing hwinfo...I was complaining about the speed of opensuse...
[03:36] <calc> is the ubuntu/kubuntu dvd install disk going to be merged eventually, aiui both disks have all the files but just not able to install the other version?
[03:36] <Mithrandir> \sh: ah, that wasn't clear. :-P
[03:36] <\sh> Mithrandir: the speed was <=0
[03:37] <daniels> sweet jesus, you only *just* stopped working on universe for breezy?
[03:37] <\sh> Mithrandir: but anyways...the new source needs a kernel patch from suse year 2003 i think
[03:37] <Keybuk> he's stopped?
[03:37] <daniels> calc: how the christ do you expect to fit both kde and gnome on a single cd?
[03:37] <daniels> Keybuk: p.u.c
[03:37] <Riddell> daniels: dvd
[03:38] <calc> daniels: yea dvd, aiui the dvd has all of main on it already
[03:38] <dieman> not everyone has a dvd burner yet
[03:38] <dieman> ;)
[03:38] <elmo> daniels: who's stopped? :/
[03:39] <\sh> daniels: I? well..i don't want to be the fool who upload the last piece of software which blow up the buildds
[03:39] <calc> the dvds are only using 2.5 out of 4.5 GB as well
[03:39] <doko> Kamion: Pressing F1 on boot ... "This is an installation ... built on 20050317ubuntu19"
[03:39] <desrt> how far away is the absolute-last-minute for changes?
[03:39] <Keybuk> desrt: about a week ago!
[03:39] <desrt> oh crikey
[03:40] <desrt> well... libgphoto is segfaulting on ppc when you try to load pictures off your camera using the gthumb GUI or the commandline tool
[03:40] <Keybuk> ouch
[03:40] <bob2> reporting that before the dvds were being built might have been more optimal
[03:40] <Keybuk> does it with the default thing g-v-m fires up?
[03:40] <desrt> bob2; i discovered it this weekend while disconnected from the net
[03:41] <desrt> Keybuk; yes.
[03:41] <Keybuk> anyone else got a ppc machine to check?
[03:41] <desrt> bob2; and when i got home i had a gigantic heap.  i've only just opened my laptop up now
[03:41] <ogra> \sh, the last package is the cherry on the cake, you really want to miss that ?
[03:41] <daniels> elmo: \sh
[03:41] <Kamion> calc: that's not accurate actually, the Ubuntu DVD contains all of Ubuntu supported whereas the Kubuntu DVD contains all of Kubuntu supported; neither of those constitutes all of main
[03:41] <desrt> Keybuk; before getting too crazy, i have about 300 updates to install.  it might fix itself
[03:41] <ajmitch> desrt: last upload of libghoto was > 2 weeks ago? noone saw the bug since that upload?
[03:41] <calc> Kamion: oh
[03:42] <\sh> ogra: be my guest to upload the last one, boss :)
[03:42] <desrt> ajmitch; shrug.  i usually use my PC to load photos from my cam... only using laptop since i was at the cottage for the longweekend
[03:42] <Kamion> doko: the text is suboptimal, but it's actually reporting the version number of debian-installer
[03:42] <ogra> \sh, i already did that for main ;)
[03:42] <ogra> ah, noo.. not true...
[03:42] <\sh> ogra: so lets w8 for barry
[03:42] <ogra> mjg59, did the last one
[03:42] <ajmitch> \sh: his box is still dead
[03:42] <Kamion> I'm not sure where my camera is unfortunately
[03:42] <\sh> oh...
[03:43] <ajmitch> \sh: I could probably still upload something if you want :)
[03:43] <calc> Kamion: does the union of ubuntu and kubuntu supported cover all of main?
[03:43] <\sh> ajmitch: so u r the one
[03:43] <Keybuk> calc: a subset of it
[03:43] <Kamion> calc: there's Edubuntu too ...
[03:43] <\sh> ajmitch: if *I* want?
[03:43] <Keybuk> not to mention the server stuff
[03:43] <ajmitch> \sh: sure
[03:43] <Keybuk> which I so want to call 1ubuntu
[03:43] <robertj> Edubuntu makes me sad :(
[03:43] <calc> Kamion: maybe a better question is if all of main is supported by all least one project ;)
[03:43] <Kamion> Keybuk: currently that's drawn from within Ubuntu supported
[03:43] <Kamion> Keybuk: you're on crack, dude
[03:43] <ogra> robertj, ??
[03:43] <ajmitch> robertj: why?
[03:43] <Kamion> calc: nope
[03:43] <Keybuk> Kamion: supported == main
[03:44] <Kamion> Keybuk: bzzt, wrong
[03:44] <calc> so how do users know if main is supported?
[03:44] <Keybuk> no?
[03:44] <robertj> ajmitch: brand fragmentation and such
[03:44] <\sh> ajmitch: it must be your wish...i'm relaxing and reading and smiling about all the things we managed
[03:44] <Kamion> was true once but not since Kubuntu arrived
[03:44] <calc> you could accidentally install stuff that doesn't get security updates?
[03:44] <Kamion> main is the union of the supported outputs of all projects
[03:44] <dieman> Kamion: so now how do we figure it out as to what gets security updates and what doesn't
[03:44] <desrt> Kamion; so kubuntu supports gnome?
[03:44] <ogra> robertj, brand fragmentation ??
[03:44] <dieman> this is all too confusing.
[03:44] <Kamion> calc: don't get too hung up on the "Ubuntu supported" term here, it's semi-historical
[03:45] <robertj> ajmitch: Do we really need a Churbuntu, Govuntu, Mediabuntu, etc?
[03:45] <daniels> and then there's universe, which is totally unsupported, which no-one ever touches.  no updates here, move along please.
[03:45] <desrt> er.  nm.
[03:45] <Kamion> everything in main gets security updates and is supported in most senses you care about
[03:45] <calc> Kamion: ah ok :)
[03:45] <dieman> Kamion: ok.
[03:46] <ogra> robertj, its a official project whats wrong with using the brand name for it ?
[03:46] <Kamion> Keybuk: katie/cron.sync would make your head hurt, I suspect
[03:46] <robertj> ogra: nothing wrong, I just think it's silly that it's a subproject
[03:46] <elmo> cron.sync makes MY head hurt
[03:46] <dieman> heh
[03:46] <infinity> \sh : It might be a cold day in hell before clisp builds on all (or even most) arches.  It doesn't have a history of building well anywhere.
[03:46] <ogra> robertj, it has very different targets
[03:47] <robertj> ogra: I run Ubuntu without problem at my institution
[03:47] <elmo> infinity: if you could free up some space on king, at some point, I'd appreciate it
[03:47] <ogra> robertj, thats fine
[03:47] <Keybuk> Kamion: oh, why?
[03:47] <\sh> infinity: hmm...strange thing that it builds fine on amd64 and in my i386 pbuilder...well...
[03:47] <dieman> so is it likely to see cd images in 12 hours, or should I not stay up late to initiate a sync on my mirror? :)
[03:47] <Kamion> Keybuk: mad munging of germinate outputs
[03:47] <Keybuk> heh
[03:47] <Keybuk> germinate was written for simpler times
[03:47] <Keybuk> and even then it was a head-ache
[03:47] <Kamion> dieman: I'm actually sorting out pre-publishing now ...
[03:47] <robertj> ogra: what needs do they have that are education-specific?
[03:47] <dieman> Kamion: ok
[03:48] <ogra> robertj, we dont target "institutions" we target schools
[03:48] <daniels> Keybuk: you should rewrite germinate
[03:48] <dieman> Kamion: i'll check in later then
[03:48] <Kamion> the symlinks in releases.u.c/breezy/ won't change for some time, but we can get you most of the data before that
[03:48] <infinity> \sh : It seems to depend on phase of the moon and other such factors.  I can retry it a few times for kicks, it's not like the buildds aren't idle anyway.
[03:48] <daniels> Keybuk: that is, when you get bored of rewriting hct/dpkg/launchpad/hotplug/udev/other things that seem to work
[03:48] <daniels> s/seem/&ed/
[03:48] <dieman> Kamion: ok
[03:48] <\sh> infinity: leave it then...u have higher prios to deal with, but thanks for looking :)
[03:48] <dieman> Kamion: i've got a machine i can use for some torrents too
[03:49] <dieman> see if i can piss off the networking security people
[03:49] <Kamion> ogra: sorry, I never did get round to publishing that Edubuntu RC
[03:49] <ogra> robertj, we had a summit where we invited teachers and educational IT staff and now we build what they asked for...
[03:49] <dieman> they always love 300mbps+ bittorrents
[03:49] <Kamion> ogra: there seems little point now :)
[03:49] <mdz> jdub: doh, we're too late for LWN
[03:49] <dieman> but they know its me, so its ok
[03:49] <infinity> \sh : All the other universe build failures from overnight are dealt with, though.
[03:49] <ogra> Kamion, and i didnt want to poke you after *that* day and there already was no point for it yesterday anymore ;)
[03:49] <robertj> ogra: I mean, if you want thin clients that are easily managable ,what does it matter if you are running an elementary school or a small business?
[03:50] <Kamion> ogra: right ...
[03:50] <Kamion> ah well
[03:51] <ogra> robertj, our desktop is trageting a totally different audience than the ubuntu desktop... an additional target is to make the install stupidly easy so even my mother cold install a ltsp server
[03:51] <\sh> infinity: serious...leave it...i'll deal with it from tuesday on (if the timeframe of sabdfl is correct)...
[03:51] <infinity> Kamion : Which amd64 livefs build are you using?... 20050512.3 (current)?
[03:51] <mdz> NOOOO
[03:51] <mdz> rsync: write failed on "/home/mdz/cd/ubuntu/breezy-dvd-powerpc.iso": No space left on device (28)
[03:51] <ogra> argh
[03:52] <Kamion> infinity: whatever's current
[03:52] <desrt> excellent.  more time.
[03:52] <desrt> :)
[03:52] <mdz> desrt: why does that make you happy?
[03:52] <robertj> ogra: I don't see why a terminal server should be difficult to set up for anyone though
[03:52] <infinity> Kamion : Kay.  I'm going to clean a few older ones.  We've had 12 in the last 48 hours.
[03:52] <Keybuk> \sh: what happens on tuesday?
[03:52] <desrt> mdz; i'm pretending that i have some non-zero chance of getting changes into the ppc dvd
[03:52] <ajmitch> Keybuk: we get to start this mess all over again
[03:52] <mdz> desrt: /topic
[03:52] <ogra> robertj, and i dont see why you should even have to bother with setting it up...
[03:52] <ajmitch> aka dapper
[03:52] <Kamion> infinity: that's fine
[03:53] <desrt> mdz; this is a reasonably large 'that'
[03:53] <doko> jdub: "Your message to Universe-bugs awaits moderator approval". Please fix it
[03:53] <ogra> robertj, in fact all work done for edubuntu is done *in* ubuntu, so both win
[03:53] <\sh> Keybuk: sabdfl was announcing the next round on tuesday..
[03:53] <infinity> Kamion : Same for other arches?... current in use, others aren't wanted for rollback/historical reasons?
[03:53] <desrt> mdz; even so, though, i -am- just pretending :)
[03:53] <Kamion> infinity: save two before current for pure paranoia
[03:53] <Keybuk> ah, the heady optimism that launchpad will be ready by Tuesday :p

[03:53] <ogra> robertj, but its a totally different product so it deserves a different but familiar branding
[03:54] <doko> just commenting on a malone report
[03:54] <robertj> yeah, but being a totally different product is what I don't like I guess
[03:54] <ajmitch> Keybuk: of course, we have faith in the launchpad team :)
[03:55] <ogra> robertj, but all pieces, every byte is ubuntu content... so if i develop a LDAP usermanager GUI for my next edubuntu release, ubuntu will have it too...
[03:56] <\sh> Keybuk: well...I don't mind at all..i need some time to relax...
[03:56] <robertj> ogra: yeah, I know, but I still think its a mistake, but I think were both clear on the pros and cons
[03:57] <robertj> ogra: btw, have you looked at Erudite Directory Services?
[03:57] <Keybuk> nah, it's all good; elmo is personally making sure it's all ready in time
[03:57] <\sh> it's really scaring me, when I look in the mirror every morning and think...."shit, who is this guy who is looking at you"
[03:57] <TiMiDo> hey everyone
[03:57] <TiMiDo> i have a question how can i help around ubuntu?
[03:58] <elmo> keybuk: choke on my... code of conduct
[03:58] <elmo> :-P
[03:58] <jeff_> could the maintainer of sabayon update it to the most current release before breezy? It is a great package and in univers
[03:58] <ogra> \sh, as long as you dont say "hi santa" everything is still fine :)
[03:58] <jeff_> But it doesn't work right now
[03:58] <TiMiDo> /join #ubuntu-love
[03:58] <jeff_> And the new package released by markmc does
[03:59] <\sh> ogra: DUDE...please...before this happens i'm nominated as the new pope
[03:59] <ogra> giggle
[03:59] <dieman> heh
[03:59] <infinity> elmo : Disk space all over the world again.
[03:59] <crimsun> TiMiDo: please read http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate/
[03:59] <dieman> whats with the pony graphic on the fridge.
[03:59] <\sh> jeff_: please ask in -motu
[04:00] <daniels> jeff_: see the topic
[04:00] <doko> Riddell: the kubuntu live dvd didn't let me select a network interface (having two interfaces)
[04:00] <jeff_> daniels: So there is no way it will get fixed?
[04:00] <doko> Riddell: where to report kubuntu results?
[04:01] <wasabi_> So I got unionfs working pretty much perfectly.
[04:01] <wasabi_> In case anybody was wondering.
[04:01] <Keybuk> dieman: http://www.netsplit.com/tmp/no.jpg
[04:01] <dieman> Keybuk: yeah, i clicked on it too ;)
[04:01] <dieman> Keybuk: but uh, wtf?! :)
[04:01] <\sh> jeff_: ask in -motu i think we have the time ... if anybody is in the mood to risk something
[04:01] <dieman> its so random, its like someone on a caffene trip put it there.
[04:01] <mdz> doko: that's by design
[04:01] <Keybuk> dieman: heh, he's changed it to give that image now? :P
[04:01] <Keybuk> sweet
[04:01] <mdz> doko: it doesn't ask
[04:02] <dieman> Keybuk: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/files/no-pony-for-you.jpg
[04:02] <Keybuk> dieman: yeah
[04:02] <doko> mdz: ok
[04:03] <daniels> the next person who says 'upgrading to brezy was a breeze' will get stabbed to death with a knife engraved with the code of conduct
[04:03] <jeff_> \sh: thankyou
[04:04] <Keybuk> daniels: because they'd be lying?
[04:04] <daniels> also, according to the forums, the compost extension will make our desktop look rad, so we should all use composting
[04:04] <\sh> daniels: ? yesterdays morning it was smooth but that was yesterday...gna
[04:04] <Keybuk> X -iagreethatthisisnotausefulenvironment
[04:04] <\sh> hey bddebian happy badger day
[04:05] <bddebian> Heya \sh. Thanks, but not for me yet ;-)
[04:05] <daniels> Keybuk: dude, glxgears -printfps.  so go choke on elmo's code of conduct.
[04:05] <doko> Kamion: autoresize creates a new swap, even if one already exists
[04:06] <doko> Riddell: the OOo2 icons in kubuntu look so ugly ...
[04:06] <\sh> bddebian: oh yes...u have how many hours left?
[04:07] <Keybuk> Kamion: for next release, could we put a little "5.04" or something on the grub splash
[04:07] <bddebian> \sh: Depends.  Are we counting at midnight? :-)
[04:07] <Keybuk> because I'm getting very confused which CD is which here :p
[04:08] <Riddell> doko: are you using the amd64 dvd?
[04:08] <doko> Riddell: yes
[04:08] <\sh> bddebian: yes
[04:08] <Riddell> doko: that's the one without openoffice.org2-kde then :)
[04:09] <doko> Riddell: copying the ubuntu dvd before syncing did help ...
[04:09] <Riddell> doko: how come amd64 doesn't have openoffice.org2-kde?
[04:10] <doko> Riddell: not sure, Mithrandir did want to add it, didn't he?
[04:10] <bddebian> \sh: Oh, then I only have 2 hours.  Should I upload something catastrophic? ;-P
[04:10] <daniels> Keybuk: '6.04'
[04:11] <Keybuk> daniels: uh, yes, OBVIOUSLY that's what I meant :p
[04:11] <\sh> bddebian: relax friend :)
[04:11] <Keybuk> spending too much time at Earl's Court
[04:11] <ajmitch> bddebian: please do :P
[04:11] <Mithrandir> Riddell: you never responded to my questions about it and how to get it to work properly.
[04:11] <daniels> good breakfasts
[04:11] <dieman> do we have a chance in hell in seeing a native openoffice.org for amd64 someday?
[04:11] <Keybuk> I was actually just thinking of the TARDIS parked outside
[04:11] <Keybuk> but yes
[04:11] <bob2> good muffins
[04:11] <doko> daniels: do you and gravity have plans to sync the -dev names of the xorg mesa packages?
[04:12] <daniels> doko: no, we plan to keep them apart for eternity, and change them randomly at each debian and ubuntu release
[04:12] <dieman> daniels: heh.
[04:12] <dieman> daniels: misfire
[04:12] <dieman> doko: heh
[04:12] <doko> daniels: yeah
[04:12] <Amaranth> daniels: sounds like fun
[04:13] <\sh> Keybuk: tardis? u don't mean dr. whos tardis?
[04:13] <Mithrandir> dieman: we have one, but it's extremely unstable.
[04:13] <bddebian> daniels: ;-P
[04:13] <Keybuk> \sh: there's a real police box outside Earl's Court station in London
[04:13] <bob2> \sh: right on the footpath
[04:13] <dieman> Mithrandir: pout. oh well.
[04:13] <Keybuk> which obviously looks a lot like Dr Who's tardis, yes
[04:13] <wasabi_> Hmm. usplash simply won't work on this system I guess.
[04:14] <wasabi_> how sad
[04:14] <daniels> and also SOOT bins
[04:14] <\sh> Keybuk: next time when I visit london u have to show me the places ... and actually a record store where i get a first release in white milky vinyl of f.g.t.h. welcome to the pleasuredome...the last time when i was in london, no record store wanted to sell me one :(
[04:15] <Keybuk> vinyl?  what's that
[04:16] <daniels> Keybuk: blasphemy
[04:16] <\sh> u know these black sometimes colored discs u put on something with an arm and a diamond needle?
[04:16] <wasabi_> wonder if I can at least turn off the text somehow
[04:16] <wasabi_> like, switch to another VT or something
[04:17] <\sh> hehe
[04:17] <mdz> Keybuk: vinyl is what pleather is made from
[04:17] <doko> Riddell: kubuntu live dvd looks ok
[04:17] <Riddell> doko: cool, going to do an install?
[04:18] <doko> hardly awake, will do ...
[04:19] <seb128> k, time to sleep, 'night
[04:19] <Kamion> doko: swap> #7557, #12499, etc.
[04:19] <mdz> seb128: good night
[04:19] <daniels> night sebarino
[04:19] <bddebian> Gnight sebest
[04:19] <Kamion> Keybuk: sure, if given an image
[04:19] <mjg59> ENTIRELY UNDER CONTROL
[04:19] <bddebian> Err seb128
[04:19] <mdz> mjg59: you? never!
[04:20] <desrt> uhm.  this gphoto crasher will happen on all architectures, i think
[04:20] <desrt> is it really really too late?
[04:20] <mjg59> mdz: Situation is entirely nominal
[04:20] <mdz> desrt: YES IT IS
[04:20] <daniels> mjg59: autopilot DISABLED
[04:20] <desrt> suck
[04:20] <mdz> mjg59: you have been drinking whiskey
[04:20] <Kamion> desrt: we can fix things like that in breezy-updates, if necessary
[04:21] <Amaranth> desrt: breezy-updates or breezy-backports :D
[04:21] <\sh> mjg59: btw...congrats for nomination to the TB
[04:21] <mdz> desrt: we are only stopping for, er, showstoppers
[04:21] <mdz> and that isn't
[04:21] <desrt> mdz; crashing on import of photos is pretty big
[04:21] <bob2> desrt: but not as big, say, as elmo launching icbms at your house
[04:22] <mdz> desrt: even if it crashed EVERY time ANYONE imported photos (which it doesn't) that still wouldn't be a showstopper for the release
[04:22] <desrt> bob2; well, that would only affect me :)
[04:22] <Kamion> desrt: put it this way, it has to be serious enough for us to throw away eight hours of testing and embark upon another four/five-hour build cycle and a further dozen or so hours of testing
[04:22] <desrt> mdz; ok.
[04:22] <doko> desrt: it's a content filter
[04:22] <Kamion> I'm making up the numbers somewhat but that's close enough
[04:22] <desrt> -updates it is, then :)
[04:23] <Keybuk> Kamion: how long is d-i going to test the network repository for?
[04:23] <Kamion> mdz: all release CD images are syncing to the .pool directories on releases.u.c now; not changing symlinks for some time yet, obviously
[04:24] <Kamion> Keybuk: iz apt bug
[04:24] <mdz> Kamion: thanks
[04:24] <Kamion> I don't remember the current figure
[04:24] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: it should take < 5 minutes total.
[04:25] <Mithrandir> iirc
[04:25] <Keybuk> right-o, it's been about 4 so far
[04:25] <Kamion> Keybuk: are you behind a lame proxy that DROPs packets rather than REJECTing them?
[04:25] <Mithrandir> Kamion: it shouldn't matter.  It should time out in < 60 seconds per request, iirc
[04:25] <mdz> Kamion: does that include the server images?  or are those not going to releases?
[04:25] <Kamion> Mithrandir: I think it's faster if packets get rejected. I had a test framework here for it once ...
[04:26] <Kamion> mdz: oh, I forgot about server, will do that now I guess
[04:26] <Keybuk> Kamion: no, I just unplugged the network cable to stop it getting to the repository
[04:26] <mdz> Kamion: I haven't tested those yet
[04:26] <mdz> Kamion: have you?
[04:26] <Keybuk> otherwise it would've automatically installed the security updates
[04:26] <nayif> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17555 , http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16629
[04:26] <Kamion> mdz: fabbione did, I think; I've got a download somewhere around here that I'll test
[04:26] <mdz> Kamion: but not the latest build
[04:26] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: is there any message for each time it's timed out?
[04:27] <Keybuk> ah, it just timed out the first one
[04:27] <Kamion> mdz: I'll do so as soon as I can
[04:27] <Mithrandir> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8265 ; it should use 2 x 120 secs with the fix mvo committed
[04:27] <Kamion> Keybuk: hoary's worse for this than breezy is
[04:27] <Keybuk> just over 5 minutes then
[04:27] <Keybuk> Kamion: this is hoary, actually
[04:27] <Kamion> Keybuk: IIRC in hoary it was something crazy like 40 minutes
[04:27] <mdz> Kamion: me too; I wonder if rsyncing against a dvd iso would work well
[04:28] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: yeah, hoary is insane.
[04:28] <Mithrandir> or s/Keybuk/Kamion/
[04:31] <mdz> Kamion: interesting; aptitude sucked in the CD in the tray during base-config
[04:32] <Kamion> nifty
[04:32] <mdz> never seen it do that before, but I don't think I ever gave it the chance either
[04:32] <Keybuk> used to do it to me all the bloody time
[04:33] <Keybuk> when I had the tray-less drive and never bothered to remove the CD
[04:33] <nayif> Kamion, you ask me to report the bug on a way it can be manageable on this bug http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16629 , and i report it again on http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17555
[04:34] <nayif> and i test it again like you ask me on RC
[04:34] <Kamion> nayif: I'm not responsible for GDM or GNOME, so I can't help you with that
[04:35] <Kamion> nayif: I responded to the original bug because it got assigned to me
[04:38] <mdz> Kamion: perhaps we should remove the RC images from releases?
[04:39] <doko> Riddell: kubuntu dvd install succeeded, I hate to say, it "feels" snappier than the gnome desktop
[04:39] <Kamion> mdz: can't do that until the symlinks in breezy/ switch over
[04:40] <ogra> doko, if you hate it, just dont say it :)
[04:40] <Riddell> doko: excellent :)
[04:41] <ogra> Riddell, congats
[04:41] <Riddell> ogra: hang on, I havn't tested the i386 DVD yet :)
[04:41] <nayif> did ubuntu will be out with this bug on gonme with broken text on menu and GDM ?
[04:41] <mdz> nayif: /topic
[04:42] <ogra> Riddell, you got far more than me... i can only test x86 CD here and that one just turned out screatched :(
[04:42] <mdz> Kamion: are you any closer to a powerpc dvd than I am?<PHONE_NUMBER>  58%  456.84kB/s    0:48:19
[04:43] <Kamion> mdz: I'm still testing the powerpc CD image. no
[04:43] <Kamion> and I probably won't bother now, will test ubuntu-server instead
[04:43] <Riddell> ogra: why can't you test amd64?
[04:43] <doko> mdz: are you doing the oem dvd i386 install?
[04:43] <ogra> Riddell, because my DVD writer on the lappie is broken :/
[04:43] <mdz> the server isos are mentioned in the draft release announcement
[04:43] <mdz> doko: yes, it's almost finished
[04:44] <ogra> Riddell, thats the only amd i have and the only DVD writer...
[04:44] <doko> ok, then I don't start it
[04:45] <jbailey> Now to try and get the crap on my hd down under 30gb
[04:46] <mdz> s/crap/pr0n/
[04:46] <Riddell> ogra: I know how you feel, my new amd64 lasted 2 days before blowing up last week
[04:46] <ogra> ouch
[04:46] <ogra> the nice one you blogged about ?
[04:46] <daniels> 'nice'?
[04:46] <ogra> shiny
[04:46] <Riddell> yes, all those fancy lights don't do much good if it died on you
[04:47] <daniels> blue LEDs  nice
[04:47] <Riddell> daniels: blue, red and green.  very tasteful.
[04:47] <ogra> daniels, agreed, i thought it had more colors
[04:47] <ogra> ah
[04:50] <Keybuk> Riddell: mine hasn't arrived yet
[04:50] <Keybuk> I ordered a processor that's not yet been released, so am still waiting
[04:54] <bob2> of course you did
[04:54] <jbailey> When I bought mine a month or so ago, I bought the oldest one I could find on the market to avoid these problems.
[04:54] <jbailey> Mostly on the assumption that if they were still selling it, it couldn't be that horrible.
[04:54] <daniels> my amd64 just, y'know, worked
[04:55] <lifeless> mine did, after I took it back
[04:57] <dieman> heh
[04:57] <dieman> are there any faster mirrors? :)
[04:57] <Kamion> mdz: (ubuntu-server pre-published a while back)
[04:57] <dieman><PHONE_NUMBER>  43%  767.12kB/s    0:33:17
[04:57] <mdz> Kamion: dvd->ubuntu-server is a huge win
[04:57] <mdz>    592136192 100%    3.91MB/s    0:02:24  (1, 100.0% of 1)
[04:57] <Kamion> mdz: that would be great if I had any DVDs yet
[04:58] <dieman> mdz: heh, which server is that from? :)
[04:58] <Kamion> but noted for future reference :-)
[04:58] <Kamion> dieman: it's rsync based on an image which already has most of the same contents
[04:59] <dieman> ahh
[04:59] <mdz> Kamion: wow, server came out more full than I expected
[04:59] <dieman> i didn't notice releases is a dns round robin
[05:00] <doko> heading to bed, good night
[05:00] <mdz> doko: good night and thanks
[05:00] <Riddell> thanks for testing doko
[05:01] <ogra> night doko
[05:02] <Kamion> mdz: yes, I was interested to see how close it was
[05:02] <Kamion> mdz: I didn't think you'd checked the size in advance
[05:03] <Keybuk> hmm
[05:03] <Keybuk> that's a new one
[05:03] <Keybuk> word list question during hoary->breezy upgrade
[05:04] <Kamion> Keybuk: Diziet encountered that too; I posted to ubuntu-devel@ about a related problem a while back - look for dictionaries-common
[05:04] <Keybuk> yeah it was dictionaries-common/default-wordlist
[05:07] <\sh> ok...i'll close my eyes for a while...
[05:08] <sistpoty> gn8 \sh
[05:08] <mdz> Kamion: have I got my ISOs crossed, or does the ubuntu-server isolinux text still say desktop/laptop, type 'server', etc.
[05:08] <ogra> night \sh
[05:08] <\sh> please send a ctcp sound release_alarm.ogg to me if everything's settled...I won't here it but i think it's a nice joke
[05:08] <mdz> \sh: good night
[05:08] <\sh> -here +hear
[05:08] <ogra> \sh, i could call you :)
[05:09] <\sh> ogra: do it when u don't sleep as well :)
[05:09] <Kamion> mdz: the isolinux text is fiddly to update, unfortunately
[05:09] <ogra> i doubt i'll get sleep, lest see
[05:09] <ogra> *lets
[05:09] <Kamion> if you want me to try to update that now, I will
[05:09] <mdz> Kamion: not if it's fiddly
[05:09] <Kamion> (it can be done in the CD build process)
[05:10] <Kamion> I don't really trust myself to get it right at the moment
[05:10] <Kamion> although I could update the initial screen safely
[05:10] <\sh> ogra: k...call me when ever u like :)
[05:10] <mdz> Kamion: these are quick to test; we can roll them tomorrow
[05:10] <Kamion> ok
[05:12] <mdz> I've updated the announcement accordingly
[05:12] <mdz> ogra: how are you doing on testing?
[05:13] <ogra> mdz, had a scratched CD here took a while to get that fixed...
[05:13] <ogra> doing my last test (default install i386) now
[05:14] <mdz> ogra: what have you tested already, and what remains to be tested?
[05:14] <ogra> server and workstatio were fine
[05:14] <ogra> DVD x86 and probably the amd64 iso...
[05:14] <mdz> you have 12 tests to do, right?
[05:14] <mdz> (server,workstation) x (i386,amd64,powerpc)
[05:15] <ogra> i'm finishing the 3rd ://////7777
[05:15] <mdz> + DVDs
[05:15] <jsgotangco> ugghh
[05:15] <mdz> ogra: are you rethinking your position on the DVDs yet? ;-)
[05:15] <ogra> i'm not after testing amd64 or ppc DVDs if its not absolutely necessary
[05:15] <ogra> but i'd like to know x86 works...
[05:16] <mdz> we can hold them back from the release, but we won't release untested images
[05:17] <ogra> i'll get some HW tomorrow, probably i can make a ppc and x86 test then...
[05:17] <ogra> (DVD that is)
[05:17] <mdz> ogra: this is edubuntu's first public release; we can be conservative in what we ship this time
[05:17] <Kamion> sometimes I wish we could do releases from an office/lab; we could fill it with DVD burners, a really fast pipe, test machines, and lots and lots of coffee and sugar
[05:17] <mdz> ogra: we can also release with only CDs, test the DVDs tomorrow and release them iff they work correctly
[05:17] <ogra> mdz, ok... so a amd64 and ppc CD iso test would be needed i guess
[05:17] <jbailey> Ooo, only a million and a half files to rsync to the other ox.
[05:18] <ogra> mdz, yes, that'd be fine with me...
[05:18] <elmo> Kamion: well, you're welcome to do it in the DC, if you want - it's not a pleasant working enviroment, but it has all of that except for DVD burners
[05:18] <mdz> ogra: so again, which tests  have you done?
[05:18] <ogra> we just agrred to have a DVD if possible on the summit, i dont want to dissapoint sabdfl
[05:19] <mdz> elmo: WHAT'S THAT?  I COULDN'T HEAR YOUR SUGGESTION OVER THE FANS
[05:19] <ogra> mdz, x86 is just finishing in the other room, all three installs tested
[05:19] <Kamion> elmo: if we're at this number of images for dapper, I might well take you up on that
[05:19] <mdz> ogra: what's the third?
[05:19] <Keybuk> and postfix dep problems *sigh*
[05:19] <mdz> ogra: rather, what are the three installs?
[05:19] <ogra> server, workstation and default
[05:19] <mdz> I thought the default was server
[05:19] <daniels> Kamion: byo pillow
[05:20] <Keybuk> sorry, postfix postinst broke
[05:20] <lamont__> Keybuk: ??
[05:20] <mdz> jsgotangco: edubuntu?
[05:20] <ogra> mdz, i kept server as is
[05:20] <Keybuk> lamont__: hoary->breezy upgrade, postfix: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:20] <mdz> ogra: seriously?
[05:20] <ogra> mdz, yes
[05:20] <jsgotangco> mdz, no ubuntu still downloading edubuntu atm
[05:20] <ogra> mdz, the default is called edubuntu
[05:21] <mdz> jsgotangco: so you tested desktop and oem, thanks
[05:21] <ogra> mdz, and we have an additional workstation install thats ubuntu with edubuntu-desktop
[05:22] <mdz> Kamion: I'm going to test the server images anyway while I wait for the powerpc dvd again
[05:22] <Kamion> (default installs both edubuntu-desktop and edubuntu-server)
[05:22] <ogra> mdz, for overview: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallNotes
[05:22] <Keybuk> lamont__: in particular, "fatal: could not find any active network interfaces"
[05:22] <hno73> goodnight all. have fun :)
[05:22] <jbailey> lamont-ia64-live: Eh, cool.
[05:22] <ogra> mdz, err, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallNotes
[05:22] <lamont-ia64-live> jbailey, yeah - works
[05:22] <Keybuk> i suspect this is the same as mvo found
[05:23] <dieman> there we go
[05:23] <lamont-ia64-live> Keybuk, on hoary upgrade?
[05:23] <dieman> found a mirror that was willing to send to me at 30mbps
[05:23] <Keybuk> lamont-ia64-live: yah
[05:23] <lamont__> gah - back to the other machine
[05:23] <dieman> it will have to do
[05:23] <Kamion> ogra: you mean EdubuntuInstallNotes?
[05:23] <lamont__> Keybuk: from a hoary install? or warty>
[05:23] <Keybuk> lamont__: hoary install without security or updates
[05:23] <lamont__> Keybuk: ok
[05:23] <ogra> Kamion, in fact i meant http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes, yes :)
[05:24] <ogra> the wiki merge is quite confusing
[05:24] <ogra> i had to rename all my stuff and links...
[05:25] <lamont__> Keybuk: do you have /etc/postfix/{main,master}.cf where I can look at them?
[05:25] <Keybuk> lamont__: no, it'll be wiped already
[05:26] <Keybuk> was just whatever hoary made out of the box
[05:26] <lamont__> ok
[05:26] <Keybuk> I installed hoary not 20 minutes ago <g>
[05:26] <Keybuk> specifically to test this
[05:27] <lamont__> I suspect that the trivial fix is either: (1) postconf -e 'inet_interfaces = loopback-only' or (2) remove postfix and/or fix master.cf to match.  grumble.
[05:28] <lamont__> just need a crash and burn box
[05:31] <jbailey> Wow, delete ccache and hct's cache and I'm down to 117k files from 1.5M
[05:31] <jbailey> Keybuk: Is hct going to clean up after itself? and delete cached things older than a certain period?
[05:33] <mdz> Kamion: we need to remove the RC (or otherwise shrink the pool) before we can push the release to us.releases
[05:33] <calc> btw the live powerpc cd isn't up yet
[05:33] <mdz> calc: yes, it is
[05:33] <lamont__> calc: I have a copy that I downloaded....
[05:34] <mdz> calc: where were you looking?
[05:34] <calc> .pool
[05:34] <Kamion> mdz: removing DVDs is a better option; I'll sort that out
[05:34] <calc> perhaps i am looking in the wrong place
[05:34] <Keybuk> jbailey: new HCT uses bzr, so there's no cache, there's just whatever you have in your project tree
[05:34] <Kamion> or moving RC DVDs to cdimage.ubuntu.com, I should say
[05:34] <Keybuk> if you wipe ~/scratch/udev all of the udev repository and shit goes too
[05:34] <Keybuk> (unless you've published it somewhere, of course)
[05:34] <jbailey> Keybuk: \o/
[05:35] <mdz> Kamion: CD images are blessed, ready to go once they're mirrored
[05:35] <Keybuk> I'm hoping I'll be able to give you something to play with during the pre-conf "quiet period"
[05:35] <elmo> Kamion: why not just kill RC now?
[05:35] <elmo> it's not as if having anyone test it is useful
[05:35] <Keybuk> --> /msg (as off-topic)
[05:36] <Kamion> elmo: am already shifting DVDs around ...
[05:36] <Kamion> it'll get killed automatically when I publish the release for real
[05:36] <calc> ah i see the ppc one now, guess its in the middle of copying right now
[05:37] <calc> or i was blind
[05:37] <dieman> im trying to at least get the -install isos
[05:37] <dieman> im nearly done with -live too
[05:37] <dieman> wont have the dvd's in time
[05:37] <Riddell> anyone able to check over the kubuntu announcement?  http://kubuntu.org/announcements/breezy-release.php
[05:38] <mdz> Kamion: ubuntu-server on i386 and amd64 went splendidly
[05:40] <calc> Riddell: kaffeine misspelled
[05:40] <Kamion> do release announcements need to point to the DVDs?
[05:40] <calc> also is breezy badger supposed to be capitalized?
[05:40] <mdz> yes
[05:41] <calc> Riddell: see above wrt capitalization
[05:41] <lamont__> hrmpf
[05:42] <carthik> Riddell http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php links test say "5.04" though they link to the 5.10 RC disc images
[05:42] <calc> Riddell: kaffeine is spelled right in the title but not in the description
[05:42] <dieman> lamont__: heh
[05:43] <calc> " Kubuntu 5.10 can be download from http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/5.10" probably should read "downloaded"
[05:43] <dieman> lamont__: im busy trying to get them somewhere in the usa.
[05:43] <lamont__> dieman: if you do, holler.. :)
[05:43] <dieman> ok
[05:43] <lamont__> s/if/when/
[05:43] <lamont__> I'm at 26%, 9 hours remaining.
[05:44] <lamont__> and gonna kill it and go home, once the i386 install CD is done burning
[05:44] <dieman> heh
[05:44] <dieman> i got all the install cds
[05:44] <dieman> how far off is the -rc dvd from the release dvd?
[05:44] <dieman> is it worth trying to rsync to that?
[05:44] <mdz> dieman: yes
[05:44] <dieman> ok
[05:44] <Kamion> dieman: are you only mirroring releases.u.c, or cdimage too?
[05:44] <dieman> just release for now
[05:44] <dieman> releases
[05:44] <Kamion> because the release DVD won't be going to releases.u.c
[05:45] <dieman> hmm
[05:45] <dieman> i see it on some sites
[05:45] <calc> "Please download by Bittorrent if possible." by sounds awkward but maybe just to me (via or using seems better)
[05:45] <dieman> im so confused!
[05:45] <Kamion> just to cdimage.u.c/releases/breezy/release/
[05:45] <calc> or maybe even "with"
[05:45] <Kamion> dieman: er, I haven't put it there on the master
[05:45] <Kamion> the RC DVD is there
[05:45] <mdz> dieman: maybe you saw the RC dvd
[05:45] <dieman> yeah
[05:45] <jbailey> calc: "The preferred way to get these is through Bittorrent."  "Use Bittorrent if possible", or something.
[05:45] <dieman> but some people have the rc dvd in their release .pool
[05:45] <Kamion> it should be going away now, I've moved it
[05:45] <jbailey> calc: Just sidestep the akwardness
[05:46] <calc> jbailey: yea
[05:46] <carthik> Riddell: also "Google suggest" might be "Google Suggest" - sorry if I am bugging you :)
[05:47] <calc> Riddell: looks pretty good other than the above mentioned things (check all comments i made, not all were prefixed with your nick)
[05:47] <carthik> Riddell, "/etc/apt/source.list" should be "/etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:48] <calc> carthik: also needs an apt-get update
[05:48] <calc> or does dist-upgrade do that automagically now
[05:49] <crimsun> (no, still needs an update first)
[05:49] <calc> ok
[05:49] <carthik> Riddell, also, the page https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuBreezyReleaseKnownProblems does not exist yet (don't know if this really matters)
[05:51] <carthik> Riddell, since the www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki redirects to wiki.ubuntu.com and ubuntulinux.org throws an "expired certificate" message, maybe change the links to wiki.ubuntu.com/%s ?
[05:52] <Riddell> all fixed, thanks much carthik and calc
[05:52] <wasabi> So somebody enlighten me. Is universe frozen also?
[05:52] <calc> np
[05:52] <bob2> wasabi: /topic
[05:52] <mdz> wasabi: it is about time
[05:52] <wasabi> k
[05:52] <mdz> why?
[05:53] <wasabi> Just wasn't sure. If it wasn't I was going to fix a minor Eclipse bug.
[05:54] <Unfrgiven> mdz: any chance that the introdeveloperdocs package from the new queue will make it into breezy (universe rep)?
[05:54] <mdz> Unfrgiven: if it isn't in already, it's too late
[05:54] <calc> Riddell: i think krita desc may be a sentence fragment
[05:54] <calc> Riddell: though i never did well in grammar ;)
[05:55] <mdz> Unfrgiven: release times are too busy to expect new packages to be processed quickly
[05:55] <wasabi> I'm kinda happy to see my Eclipse efforts finally pay off.
[05:56] <wasabi> Debian maintainer took them and polished them up. ;)
[05:57] <Riddell> calc: yep, fixed
[05:58] <Kamion> +The default installation is suitable for servers, and installs only the base
[05:58] <Kamion> +system. You may install additional packages of your choice from the CD once
[05:58] <Kamion> +the installation is complete.
[05:58] <Kamion> mdz: that OK with you?
[05:58] <mdz> Kamion: yes, thanks
[05:58] <Kamion> actually, too many "install"s in there, one moment
[05:59] <Kamion> +The default installation is suitable for servers, and installs only the base
[05:59] <calc> Riddell: er isn't the subject of the sentence still missing?
[05:59] <Kamion> +system. Afterwards, you may install additional packages of your choice from
[05:59] <Kamion> +the CD.
[05:59] <calc> Riddell: putting a period at the end doesn't make it a sentence automatically ;)
[05:59] <Kamion> mdz: turned out to be straightforward after all
[05:59] <calc> Riddell: which is where i get to the point about not knowing for sure whether it is considered a fragment or not
[06:00] <calc> heh
[06:00] <calc> jbailey: you actually want your system wiped? :)
[06:00] <Riddell> calc: well this isn't prose, it's a list under the subject "new in kubuntu 5.10"
[06:00] <calc> jbailey: oops misparsed what you wrote
[06:00] <jbailey> calc: I seem to be the one to do ppc64 tests. =)
[06:00] <calc> Riddell: true, nm :)
[06:03] <wasabi> yay flash system "just about done!"
[06:03] <jbailey> Hmm, no automatic lvm option on ppc64-server.
[06:04] <Kamion> mdz: drum roll please
[06:06] <mdz> Kamion: *drums on the desk*
[06:06] <dieman> heh
[06:06] <Kamion> mirrors are syncing the Ubuntu release
[06:06] <dieman> woo!
[06:07] <Kamion> install CD and live CD only for now
[06:07] <Unfrgiven> congrats to all! :)
[06:08] <Keybuk> Kamion: WAIT!
[06:08] <Keybuk> :p
[06:08] <Kamion> dude
[06:08] <mdz> Kamion: oh, us.releases wasn't finished with the isos yet
[06:08] <lamont__> ew. tomato paste
[06:08] <Kamion> mdz: nor se.releases, I think
[06:08] <dieman> ok
[06:08] <dieman> im active for releases
[06:09] <dieman> for breezy/ubuntu install/live
[06:09] <Riddell> Kamion: can you put the kubuntu CDs on release too?
[06:09] <dieman> waiting for the rest of the isos to make it
[06:09] <Kamion> I don't entirely understand why se. is lagging
[06:09] <wasabi> So is this "it"?
[06:10] <jbailey> we're going to die...
[06:10] <crimsun> wasabi: yes.
[06:10] <Kamion> mdz: ack kubuntu?
[06:10] <wasabi> Who has the champaign?
[06:10] <jbailey> (mandatory HHGG quote)
[06:10] <elmo> Kamion: the DVDs probably :P
[06:10] <mdz> Kamion: let's get ubuntu up first
[06:10] <elmo> I'll kill it and start the sync again
[06:10] <Kamion> elmo: what's so hard about removing files?
[06:10] <elmo> ugh did you just randomly retrigger?
[06:11] <Kamion> what, just now? no
[06:11] <mdz> Kamion: then we can remove RC and publish kubuntu at the same time, right?
[06:11] <Kamion> five minutes ago, yes
[06:11] <Kamion> mdz: yes
[06:11] <mdz> we know at least one of the mirrors is tight on space
[06:11] <Kamion> publish-release does that itself ...
[06:12] <Kamion> mdz: I removed ~16GB from releases earlier
[06:12] <mdz> announcement is in the moderation queue now
[06:12] <Kamion> if they're *still* tight on space, they suck :-)
[06:12] <Keybuk> Kamion: that's generally a mirror's job isn't it?
[06:12] <mdz> Kamion: what did you remove apart from the RC DVDs?
[06:13] <Keybuk> sucking and blowing as hard as they can
[06:13] <Kamion> mdz: the RC DVDs come to about 16GB
[06:13] <mdz> Kamion: oh, you did kubuntu as well?
[06:13] <Kamion> right
[06:14] <jbailey> ppc64 server install good.
[06:14] <calc> might be useful to remove the colony/rc releases from torrent site also to keep people from being confused
[06:15] <Kamion> calc: I thought I removed colony-5 earlier today
[06:15] <Kamion> but yeah, I'll remove the rc
[06:15] <calc> though they probably should be downloading via a torrent file instead of the tracker itself
[06:15] <jbailey> The wiki appears to be unable to see the authentication database...
[06:17] <Kamion> calc: I've removed most of the RC with prejudice from the master; will sync once elmo gives me the ok
[06:17] <ogra> mdz, i386 edubuntu completely done and blessed
[06:17] <mdz> ogra: great
[06:17] <ogra> yup
[06:17] <mdz> ogra: how about some sleep?
[06:17] <Kamion> calc: but note that it gets rm'ed automatically on the master when the release gets published - I just purged some stuff that hasn't quite been superseded yet
[06:17] <elmo> Kamion: sync yourself happy
[06:18] <ogra> mdz, there is still some small webpage and wiki stuff in 30 min i'm done :)
[06:18] <elmo> us.r.c is still syncing the images tho
[06:18] <elmo> I'll manually rekick it when it's done
[06:18] <mdz> ogra: you're what?
[06:18] <Kamion> elmo: I still don't understand what se.r is doing
[06:18] <elmo> Kamion: is it definitely not up-to-date?
[06:18] <mdz> ogra: I'm suggesting that you sleep and continue with the release after
[06:19] <ogra> mdz, i'm done for today in 30min :) i have to ship some screenshots for highvoltage etc...
[06:19] <Kamion> elmo: http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/ is showing an Archive-Update-In-Progress and an out-of-date HEADER.html at least
[06:19] <lamont__> elmo: will the poor SCC arch's be allowed a little time to catch up, or is the archive locked down hard already?
[06:19] <mdz> ogra: ok, agreed
[06:19] <ogra> ;)
[06:19] <mdz> us.releases has 4/6
[06:19] <Kamion> elmo: the actual images seem to be there, but it's not updating the symlinks in breezy/
[06:20] <elmo> hmm, it's rsync-ing SOMETHING, and a lot of it
[06:20] <elmo> lamont: archive's not locked down yet
[06:21] <fabbione> morning guys
[06:21] <Kamion> the images themselves got (effectively) touched when the symlinks were changed; I don't know if that's relevant
[06:21] <ogra> morning fabbione
[06:21] <Kamion> (actually identical versions re-copied in because publish-release is just that clever)
[06:21] <elmo> maswan: ?
[06:21] <mdz> Kamion: timestamps preserved?
[06:22] <Kamion> mdz: no
[06:22] <Kamion> er, yes
[06:22] <Kamion> uses cp -a
[06:22] <lifeless> elmo: did we just lose all useful bandwidth ?
[06:22] <elmo> lifeless: err, no?
[06:23] <lifeless> ok, wiki is just being painfully slow
[06:23] <elmo> that's nothing to do with the bandwidth
[06:23] <elmo> that's moin being crap, AFAICT
[06:23] <Kamion> elmo: oh, meh, ok, it's rsyncing the Kubuntu images I pre-published ages ago, I think
[06:23] <lifeless> heh, k
[06:24] <Kamion> or possibly Edubuntu
[06:24] <Kamion> yay derivatives
[06:24] <elmo> Kamion: which images?
[06:24] <elmo> oh, nm, duh, the soon-to-be-golden ones
[06:24] <elmo> gar
[06:24] <Kamion> right ...
[06:24] <jsgotangco> ogra, edubuntu x86 workstation PASS
[06:24] <Kamion> elmo: not much to be done about that, I'm going for a drink
[06:24] <ogra> jsgotangco, yay :)
[06:25] <Kamion> mdz: ubuntu-server rebuilding with updated syslinux.txt (I hope)
[06:26] <mdz> Kamion: powerpc dvd is looking OK so far
[06:27] <calc> heh there is an old 5.04/array-7 dir still on cdimage full of isos
[06:29] <mdz> us.releases now has all the isos, not the links yet though
[06:29] <mdz> announcement is in the moderation queue
[06:29] <Kamion> calc: *clicketyclick* not any more there's not
[06:29] <Kamion> (thanks)
[06:29] <whiprush> mdz: is there a way you can send me the announcement so I can get the fridge ready?
[06:29] <whiprush> unless jdub is handling it.
[06:30] <mdz> I think jdub is out for the count
[06:30] <Kamion> jdub's on UK time
[06:30] <mdz> I can bounce you a copy if you give me your email address
[06:30] <whiprush> ah
[06:30] <whiprush><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:30] <mdz> en route
[06:30] <whiprush> ta
[06:30] <calc> Kamion: heh :)
[06:31] <fabbione> mdz: sorry, can you forward it here too? lamont and I need to prepare the announce for SCC
[06:31] <fabbione> (and wiki is locked)
[06:31] <mdz> fabbione: wiki is what?:
[06:31] <fabbione> "/!\The authentication database is temporarily unavailable. Anonymous access only."
[06:32] <fabbione> i thought somebody did lock it on purpose
[06:32] <Kamion> aha, se.releases is up to date in the parts that matter now
[06:32] <fabbione> (wiki.u.c)
[06:32] <mdz> fabbione: no idea what that is about
[06:32] <Kamion> (it's still dealing with kubuntu, edubuntu, ubuntu-server)
[06:32] <fabbione> mdz: ok..
[06:32] <jbailey> fabbione: It's been that way for at least 10m.
[06:32] <mdz> I can't login to the website either to publish the news item
[06:32] <fabbione> jbailey: ok
[06:32] <mdz> elmo?
[06:32] <Riddell> whiprush: can you do the kubuntu story too?  http://kubuntu.org/announcements/breezy-release.php
[06:32] <elmo> mdz: uh?
[06:32] <mdz> elmo: launchpad auth seems to be borked somehow?
[06:33] <jbailey> Suspect that LP went to sleep. =)
[06:33] <jsgotangco> whiprush, don't forget our edubuntu story too!
[06:33] <elmo> stub's doing a  production upgrade
[06:33] <whiprush> Yikes!
[06:33] <whiprush> ok
[06:33] <mdz> oh, hell
[06:33] <Keybuk> stub's taken it down
[06:33] <ogra> perfect timing :)
[06:33] <lifeless> timing!
[06:33] <mdz> stub: the timing is not ideal
[06:33] <fabbione> mdz: what time is over your TZ?
 Anyway... just about done.
[06:34] <mdz> fabbione: 2134
[06:34] <fabbione> it's not 13 everywhere in the world yet :)
[06:34] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:34] <stub> done
[06:34] <fabbione> are we going to release the 12 and 1/2?
[06:34] <mdz> yes
[06:34] <jbailey> fabbione: Pretend you're Harry Potter.
[06:34] <fabbione> :)
[06:35] <ajmitch> fabbione: the 13th is 3/4 done here
[06:35] <stub> mdz: Needed for a shipit update which have been getting 'DOIT' priorities
[06:35] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, heh
[06:35] <whiprush> jsgotangco: link me to a release announcement or something please.
[06:36] <mdz> stub: it's not going to hold up the release, just getting it on the website :-)
[06:36] <mdz> stub: that'll change with soyuz though...
[06:36] <Kamion> mdz: aren't you just looking forward to it
[06:37] <stub> mdz: We have plans and a spec for keeping authentication running during these outages. Just a matter of time.
[06:37] <Keybuk> Kamion: what do you mean?  mdz loves launchpad
[06:37] <Kamion> Keybuk: absence makes the heart grow fonder
[06:37] <Keybuk> meeeeow
[06:38] <mdz> stub: it's no problem for it to go down for this sort of interval, we just need to coordinate in advance
[06:38] <bddebian> I know you folks probably don't care to hear it from me but Great Work and Congratulations!!! :-)
[06:38] <mdz> Keybuk: I also love the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairie
[06:39] <stub> mdz: Normally coordination is done automatically in that updates are done in AU time. This obviously needs to adjust to the pre-release 24hour shifts ;)
[06:39] <mdz> bddebian: what do you mean?  we especially care to hear it from you
[06:39] <bddebian> :-)
[06:39] <Kamion> us.r is going to be a while, from the look of it; it's still in edubuntu/.pool/
[06:39] <dieman> wow
[06:39] <Kamion> stub: 24-hour shifts are for wusses
[06:39] <bddebian> Anyway, gnight folks.  Thanks for all your hard work.
[06:40] <tseng> bddebian: i vote you in top 5 bugfixers
[06:40] <Kamion> real men do 36-hour shifts
[06:40] <ogra> bddebian, it wouldnt be what it is now without you :)
[06:40] <dieman> the i386 install torrent is doing nearly a megabyte/sec on its own
[06:40] <tseng> bddebian: have a medal
[06:40] <mdz> stub: distro work is done on AU time as well, and I'm often working during these hours too
[06:40] <bddebian> ogra: Pfft :-)
[06:40] <ogra> ;)
[06:40] <Keybuk> Kamion: what does that make me?  that's my usual working day <g>
[06:41] <elmo> it's at 4/6 of edubuntu
[06:41] <elmo> got kubuntu + ubuntu
[06:41] <Kamion> elmo: Edubuntu only has 3
[06:42] <Kamion> oh, preview's still there because we haven't published for real yet. it's had those 3 for ages though.
[06:43] <Kamion> elmo: it doesn't appear to have kubuntu yet, only the rc
[06:43] <elmo> e < k
[06:43] <elmo> so, it hasn't got kubuntu sigh
[06:44] <Kamion> I think I might take the opportunity to go out to the 24-hour supermarket for some more coffee
[06:47] <Riddell> should the kubuntu announcement mention bugzilla or malone?
[06:52] <mdz> Riddell: yes
[06:52] <Riddell> mdz: which? :)
[06:53] <mdz> Riddell: bugzilla for main, malone for universe
[06:53] <Riddell> ok
[06:53] <Keybuk> ah, we must be near release, mdz is getting "cheerful" :)
[06:55] <elmo> Kamion: back yet?
[06:56] <elmo> Kamion: in any event, are the server ISOs final?
[06:59] <jbailey> ppc64 oem and resize ok
[07:14] <Lathiat> uh, the wiki seems to have recently broken for subpages, the CSS isn't included
[07:14] <Lathiat> e.g. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/DellPrecisionM20
[07:14] <Keybuk> mdz: \o/
[07:14] <Keybuk> congrats
[07:15] <Lathiat> woohoo :)
[07:15] <mdz> I'm fresh out of champagne
[07:15] <ajmitch> well done everyone :)
[07:15] <mdz> talisker it is
[07:15] <fabbione> yay
[07:15] <mdz> great work everyone
[07:15] <jsgotangco> woooo
[07:15] <Keybuk> a whole 6 months before we have to do that again
[07:16] <whiprush> fridge updated!
[07:16] <fabbione> Keybuk: ehehhe
[07:16] <Kamion> elmo: the ones I just built should be - not the pre-published nes
[07:16] <jsgotangco> wooooo
[07:16] <elmo> Kamion: ugh
[07:16] <Kamion> the change should be rsync-trivial
[07:17] <Kamion> To burn the Ubuntu 5.10 CD images to disk, you will need 700MB
[07:17] <Kamion> media.
[07:17] <Kamion> mdz: we forgot to remove that bit
[07:18] <mdz> Kamion: heh, oops
[07:18] <mdz> I'll fix it on the website
[07:18] <mdz> fixed
[07:19] <Kamion> ta
[07:19] <ajmitch> it's hard to find 650MB blanks now :)
[07:19] <bob2> hah
[07:19] <Kamion> Kubuntu publishing on little, but I'll hold off on the mirror sync until us.releases has caught up
[07:20] <dieman> yeah
[07:20] <dieman> i dont even think like walgreens has 650mb ones
[07:20] <jsgotangco> wheres your release notes link?
[07:20] <Riddell> Kamion: what is little?
[07:21] <bob2> Riddell: the cd build machine...
[07:21] <jsgotangco> the natives are restless?
[07:23] <mdz> my word there are a lot of people in #ubuntu
[07:23] <Riddell> jsgotangco: actually most of them have given up and gone to sleep :)
[07:23] <Keybuk> I think the DISTROWATCH SPIES are asleep
[07:23] <jsgotangco> hehe
[07:24] <wasabi> mdz, was it you who mentioned ya'll had looked at unionfs?
[07:24] <Keybuk> and we missed LWN
[07:24] <bob2> OMG UBUNTU IS NUMBER ONE ON DISTROWATCH
[07:24] <mdz> wasabi: yes
[07:24] <speel> =o did some one sat distrowatch
[07:24] <lamont> bob2: again?
[07:24] <speel> say*
[07:24] <wasabi> mdz got it working pretty good, stable.
[07:24] <wasabi> Surely it's not a "stable" project righ tnow, but my install is. ;)
[07:24] <Keybuk> bob2: THE AWARD WINNING UBUNTU (AS SEEN ON TV)
[07:24] <Keybuk> itym
[07:24] <bob2> oh, good point
[07:24] <bob2> yay veronica
[07:25] <wasabi> Not there yet.
[07:25] <Keybuk> slashdot hate us
[07:25] <Lathiat> whats the website with dapper goals?
[07:25] <Lathiat> is it in the main wiki?
[07:25] <Keybuk> they haven't been drawn up yet
[07:25] <Keybuk> that's what UBZ is for
[07:26] <Lathiat> err, i mean, promosed UBZ dapper goals
[07:26] <Lathiat> its ok i found it
[07:26] <Kamion> dieman: I can find 650MB blanks for sale near the end of dabs.com's listings, although certainly the vast majority are 700MB
[07:27] <dieman> heh
[07:27] <Keybuk> elmo: can we upload yet?  can we?  can we?  huh?  huh?
[07:27] <dieman> heh
[07:27] <dieman> the DISTROWATCH SPIES
[07:27] <mdz> elmo: I would like to upgrade to dapper plz help kthx
[07:27] <wasabi> elmo: can you sync * from debian?
[07:27] <mdz> distrowatch is asleep; no announcement yet
[07:28] <Keybuk> actually, has upload-to-breezy been switched off?
[07:29] <ajmitch> probably a good idea before some random MOTU decides to upload
[07:29] <Lathiat> wasabi: heh, i read that as 'asterisk'
[07:29] <wasabi> yeah i did too after I said it. =(
[07:29] <Lathiat> haha
[07:29] <elmo> upload-to-breezy will be switched off when all 3 derivatives are released
[07:29] <Lathiat> so theres still time to do that avahi sync i wanted? *g*
[07:30] <elmo> Lathiat: no
[07:30] <wasabi> I love the arrangement of the kernel packages
[07:30] <ajmitch> Lathiat: you're sol
[07:30] <fabbione> elmo: ok.. can you please give me 5 minutes notice so i will stop the buildd?
[07:30] <wasabi> linux-headers-k7 ,always tracking latest version ,etc.
[07:30] <Kamion> cjwatson@little:~/cdimage/www$ for-project kubuntu publish-release daily-live 20051012.3 live yes
[07:30] <Kamion> Daily for breezy powerpc on 20051012.3 is oversized!  All!! - from the bottom of my heart.
[07:32] <lamont> elmo: si?
[07:32] <elmo> lamont: ok to disable binary uploads?
[07:33] <elmo> i.e. hppa/ia64
[07:33] <lamont> hrm... well...
[07:33] <CaiN_SA> omw lol
[07:33] <lamont> if you must
[07:33] <CaiN_SA> since yesterday
[07:33] <lamont> but it'd be nice to have a few more hours (hppa has ~100 packages to try)(
[07:33] <CaiN_SA> only 1 package update came out for my system :/
[07:33] <lamont> most of which will fail
[07:33] <elmo> lamont: in universe or main?
[07:33] <Keybuk> ah, DW woke up
[07:33] <lamont> I wanna give qt-x11-free the college try, but otherwise purely universe
[07:33] <jhank> btw i am the distrowatch spy :)
[07:34] <jbailey> lamont: Does this mean youactually get to keep a breezy archive?
[07:34] <jhank> tell me what to write *fg*
[07:34] <mdz> jhank: hey, welcome :-)
[07:34] <Kamion> us.releases appears up-to-date now
[07:34] <lamont> jbailey: feh
[07:34] <calc> jhank: write more about how ubuntu's naming is leet ;)
[07:34] <jhank> thanks matt
[07:34] <mdz> Kamion: with everything?
[07:34] <jhank> okay calc, what else ;)
[07:34] <Kamion> mdz: it's got the symlinks, which usually indicates it's got everything; they're last to rsync
[07:35] <elmo> Kamion: no, I cheated
[07:35] <mdz> jhank: complain about the desktop theme or something
[07:35] <elmo> Kamion: it's still missing edu and kub
[07:35] <elmo> they're just starting
[07:35] <dholbach> how do we look?
[07:35] <jhank> noooo i don't i like it - bad luck ;)
[07:35] <Kamion> elmo: ah, ok - thanks
[07:35] <mdz> dholbach: we look dapper indeed, I say ;-)
[07:36] <dholbach> ROCK
[07:36] <fabbione> DAPPER DAPPER DAPPER!
[07:36] <Keybuk> GAY DUCK!
[07:36] <dholbach> YAY! :)
[07:36] <fabbione> Keybuk: YES!
[07:36] <fabbione> ahhaha
[07:36] <Keybuk> now, where did I put that mp3 of "Disco Duck" ?
[07:36] <Lathiat> haha
[07:36] <mdz> thanks to all of you for the lovely birthday present :-)
[07:37] <lamont> mdz: is it your b-day?
[07:37] <Keybuk> mdz: it's not your birthday yet, is it?
[07:37] <Keybuk> 1h30 by my clock
[07:37] <mdz> Keybuk: everywhere except local time
[07:37] <Keybuk> in which timezone were you born?
[07:37] <lamont> happy birthday mdz
[07:37] <Kamion> cool - happy mdz-day!
[07:37] <mdz> Keybuk: -4
[07:38] <jhank> which is where? mdz
[07:38] <dholbach> happy birthday matt! :)
[07:38] <mdz> jhank: Baltimore, MD, US
[07:38] <jhank> ahh happy birthday :)
[07:38] <mdz> thanks, all
[07:38] <Keybuk> ok, happy birthday then :p
[07:38] <jhank> well done ;)
[07:39] <mdz> I swear the release date was a complete coincidence
[07:39] <jhank> hehe
[07:39] <Lathiat> haha
[07:39] <jhank> and if not... who cares ;)
[07:39] <mdz> we moved from wednesdays to thursdays for other reasons and everything fell into place
[07:39] <fabbione> mdz: dude.. stop trying to catch up with my age :P
[07:40] <mdz> fabbione: I can only manage one per year
[07:40] <fabbione> mdz: ehhe
[07:40] <Kamion> Kubuntu release symlinks heading out to mirrors now
[07:40] <Kamion> Riddell: ^--
[07:41] <Riddell> just spotted :)
[07:42] <Kamion> mdz: DVDs good to go? the test plan at least has some entries for all architectures now, even if the powerpc ones are ppc64
[07:43] <mdz> Kamion: powerpc live passed, powerpc install in progress
[07:43] <mdz> (stage2)
[07:43] <dholbach> i'll take a shower, get some coffee and brb
[07:43] <mdz> Riddell: announcement moderated, congratulations
[07:44] <speel> woot :) nice work guys
[07:48] <wasabi> mdz, Re: #17669; That option prevents start-stop-daemon from being able to stop GDM on my flash-based system.
[07:48] <wasabi> But lack of the option doesn't have any effect on the outcome.
[07:49] <wasabi> With it it says GDM is not started. I guess I shoudl look at exactly what that option does...
[07:50] <mdz> wasabi: yes, that would be a good next step ;-)
[07:50] <wasabi> Hmm. I'll check it tomorrow. Causes it to check /proc/pid/exe. No clue why that would be wrong. ;)
[07:50] <wasabi> Since it launches it fine.
[07:50] <Kamion> you do have /proc mounted?
[07:50] <wasabi> yes. ;)
[07:50] <Kamion> just checking :)
[07:51] <pitti> Good morning
[07:51] <whiprush> pitti!
[07:52] <pitti> darn, I missed the release
[07:52] <pitti> great to see it out! thanks to everybody
[07:52] <Riddell> pitti: just in time for the kubuntu release
[07:52] <mdz> pitti: you aren't too late to celebrate ;-)
[07:52] <jbailey> pitti: Start drinking!
[07:52] <pitti> mdz: I wanted to go on a ppc testing tour now :-)
[07:52] <pitti> jbailey: ok, at this time of the day I'll drink tea :-)
[07:53] <mdz> Keybuk: but you didn't ask what time of day I was born
[07:53] <jbailey> pitti: The bars don't close here for another 2 hours. =)
[07:53] <Riddell> pitti: I still need the kubuntu ppc DVD tested
[07:53] <Keybuk> mdz: or which year ... and then we'd be getting into counting leap-seconds and other stuff
[07:54] <pitti> Riddell: ok, if I start now, the download will be finished in about a week, since it is 1.5 times of my weekly quota
[07:54] <jbailey> Keybuk: Didn't the US government just abolish the leap second at the same time as their DST reform?
[07:54] <bob2> ubuntu drinking game: drink until dapper ships.
[07:54] <Riddell> pitti: don't worry then, I've only got 1.5 hours to go on my download :)
[07:54] <pitti> Riddell: if it is urgent, I can go to the uni in about an hour and suck it ther
[07:54] <Keybuk> jbailey: ?!  are they slowly going out of sync with the rest of the world then?
[07:54] <jbailey> Keybuk: This is news?
[07:54] <Keybuk> bob2: drink, until launchpad is ready for dapper
[07:54] <pitti> Riddell: ok, I won't be faster than 1.5 hours
[07:54] <bob2> Keybuk: I don't want any fatalities
[07:54] <pitti> Riddell: btw, you still know the refusal of my computer to boot Kubuntu? :-/
[07:55] <Riddell> pitti: which arch was that?
[07:55] <pitti> Riddell: amd64
[07:56] <mdz> in the excitement I forgot to eat dinner
[07:56] <ivoks> congrats everyone
[07:56] <jbailey> Quick! Every order pizza for mdz...
[07:56] <jbailey> Everyone, even.
[07:56] <Riddell> pitti: it worked perfectly on mine (until my amd64 broke), must be something strange about yours
[07:57] <Keybuk> jbailey: send an e-mail, you know, the kind that says you have to forward it to 10 friends
[07:57] <Keybuk> with any luck, we can keep mdz in pizza for life
[07:57] <mdz> delivery options are limited at this time ofnight
[07:57] <jbailey> Riddell: Didn't I repot the same problem?
[07:57] <pitti> mdz: enjoy it then; you truly earned it :-)
[07:57] <mdz> I think I will need to actually leave the house
[07:57] <Riddell> jbailey: yes
[07:57] <jbailey> mdz: 11pm on a Thursday, really?
[07:57] <mdz> jbailey: lots open, but not for delivery
[07:58] <jbailey> Oh, hey, subtract day when crossing over midnight.
[07:58] <Keybuk> dude, you live in AMERICA, can't you get any form of fast food delivered 24/7
[07:58] <mdz> I don't eat fast food
[07:58] <calc> fast food delivers?
[07:58] <Burgundavia> queue the whining --> http://www.techspot.com/news/19060-ati-catalyst-510-drivers-released.html
[07:58] <mdz> Keybuk: can your country even manage to deliver a pizza yet?
[07:58] <calc> only delivery here is for pizza
[07:59] <Keybuk> mdz: I assume so
[07:59] <Burgundavia> lxer just picked up the release announcment
[07:59] <jbailey> mdz: There's a lovely all veggie-Thai place in Montr'eal
[07:59] <Keybuk> I enjoy cooking too much to find out
[08:00] <pitti> darn, security flaw in OpenSSL - I think we'll see breezy's first USN today...
[08:01] <mdz> pitti: so it goes
[08:01] <fabbione> pitti: wow
[08:02] <jbailey> pitti: You're just showing off ;)
[08:02] <mdz> pitti: just make sure the hoar-security version number is < breezy ;-)
[08:02] <wasabi> Thx jbailey!
[08:02] <wasabi> evoluiton exchange works again!
[08:02] <pitti> *cough*
[08:02] <pitti> mdz: I don't intend to update upstream version numbers for all our software :-)
[08:03] <jbailey> wasabi: Yay!  Feel free to close any bugs that look like problems you were having. =)
[08:03] <wasabi> Almost.
[08:03] <jbailey> Err.
[08:03] <wasabi> It refuses to conenct ot the backend now heh
[08:03] <jbailey> wasabi: Try /usr/lib/evolution/2.4/killev
[08:03] <jbailey> wasabi: And then connect again.
[08:04] <wasabi> wasabi   22584  0.5  1.8  25740  9472 ?        Sl   01:03   0:00 /usr/lib/evolution/2.4/evolution-exchange-storage --oaf-activate-ii
[08:04] <wasabi> wasabi   22592  0.5  1.3  17028  7168 ?        S    01:03   0:00 /usr/lib/libgnomeui-0/gnome_segv evolution-2.4 6 2.4.1
[08:04] <wasabi> heh.
[08:04] <wasabi> there are bout 30 gnome_segv processes right now
[08:05] <wasabi> nope, it screws up evo on every launch now
[08:05] <wasabi> in fact evo is now unusable. =(
[08:06] <jbailey> wasabi: Is this what you meant when yousaid it's "working"? =)
[08:06] <wasabi> Heh the config screen worked.
[08:06] <wasabi> Which was much more than previous.
[08:06] <wasabi> Got me excited!
[08:06] <jbailey> I have seen other success repots.  What was this upgraded from, Hoary?
[08:06] <wasabi> Well, it's been breezy for ages.
[08:07] <wasabi> Sure, upgraded from Hoary...
[08:07] <wasabi> And Warty.
[08:07] <wasabi> rm -rf ~/.evolution     =(
[08:07] <jbailey> WEll, if it's been breezy for a bit, then it's not just coping with the 2.2 -> 2.4 upgrade...
[08:07] <jbailey> wasabi: mv ~/.evolution ...
[08:07] <jbailey> It might help to debug it later.
[08:10] <wasabi> it worked. ;)
[08:10] <wasabi> yay!
[08:10] <wasabi> first time I've ever used this successfully.
[08:15] <dieman> shit
[08:15] <dieman> automated rsync nuked out the isos i had
[08:25] <dholbach> morning mvo
[08:28] <mdz> Kamion: DVDs are gold
[08:28] <mdz> Kamion: powerpc install checked out
[08:30] <mvo> mdz: happy birthday!
[08:30] <jsgotangco> oh yeahhh
[08:30] <mdz> mvo: thanks
[08:31] <pitti> mdz: Hey, happy birthday from me, too!
[08:31] <mdz> pitti: and thank you too
[08:31] <pitti> mdz: now I know why you was eager to release it so quickly :-)
[08:32] <mvo> heh :)
[08:32] <mdz> it was a cosmic intersection of events, I had nothing to do with it
[08:34] <jbailey> How to claim your birthday beer as a tax deductable business expense. =)
[08:35] <dieman>           [A
[08:36] <dieman> you sure know when comcast fails
[08:36] <dieman> one of my downloads went from 10mbps to 30mbps
[08:36] (dieman/#ubuntu-devel) (im on cable, but we have local peering with the univ)
[08:36] (dieman/#ubuntu-devel) (so i can just tunnel through work)
[08:58] <Kamion> mdz: great, thanks. publishing now
[08:59] <mdz> Kamion: talk to elmo
[08:59] <Kamion> mdz: source and ports CDs are both up on cdimage, though I suspect you don't care :-)
[08:59] <Kamion> elmo: I don't know what mdz wants me to talk to you about, but ...
[08:59] <mdz> er, I guess if it's only going to cdimage, it doesn't matter
[08:59] <mdz> there are some mirror issues right now
[08:59] <Kamion> indeed, only cdimage
[08:59] <mdz> Kamion: I do care; I'll be thinking of it all the way from here to my bed
[09:00] <mdz> where I am headed now, and I suggest you do the same
[09:00] <jbailey> mdz: Happy bnirthday in local time. =)
[09:00] <Kamion> we'll see; I don't want to get my body clock horrifically out of sync
[09:00] <mdz> jbailey: thanks
[09:01] <Kamion> I'll probably nap for a bit while Kirsten's at work
[09:01] <mdz> night all
[09:01] <Kamion> night
[09:01] <sabdfl> night mdz. congratulations!
[09:03] <fabbione> night mdz
[09:03] <jsgotangco> night mdz and happy birthday!
[09:03] <fabbione> mdz: ah can you wait a second only?
[09:04] <infinity> mdz : 'Night, dude.  Happy release/birthday
[09:05] <fabbione> mdz: good old man :)
[09:05] <fabbione> jdub, mako: ping?
[09:05] <highvoltage> mdz: happy birthday!
[09:10] <fabbione> sabdfl: do you have enough power on lists to allow the ports announce+
[09:10] <fabbione> ?
[09:10] <Riddell> jdub would, but he's on london time
[09:10] <fabbione> Riddell: yeah
[09:10] <fabbione> i know
[09:11] <jane_> can I send out the edubuntu release announcement? or does someone have to formally proof it first?
[09:11] <infinity> jane_ : It won't hit the list anyway until it's been approved by a list moderator.
[09:11] <infinity> jane_ : But it might be nice to pass it by a few people before you send.
[09:14] <Kamion> jane_: have all the images been tested?
[09:15] <Kamion> last I heard, that wasn't the case quite yet
[09:15] <jane_> Kamion: I last spoke to ogra about 12 hours ago, so I'd better dbl check, thanks
[09:16] <Kamion> the images were built later than that :-)
[09:16] <highvoltage> jane_: ogra still needed to test ppc and amd64 just before he went to sleep
[09:17] <Kamion> yes, he said he had tested and was happy with i386
[09:17] <Kamion> but I'd rather not release just the one arch, if possible
[09:17] <jane_> ok well then there's no rush on the announcement... we have to get the green light from ogra, and no doubt mdz too
[09:17] <jane_> Kamion: agreed
[09:18] <Kamion> I'm happy to release with the green light from ogra and a statement that all the images that are being released have been tested
[09:18] <Kamion> but mdz was clear earlier that we weren't to release untested images
[09:18] <JaneW> Kamion: understood
[09:19] <Kamion> Riddell: what's the status of Kubuntu DVDs?
[09:19] <Kamion> (I lost track)
[09:19] <Kamion> Ubuntu DVDs published, heading towards cdimage
[09:19] <Riddell> Kamion: i386 good, amd64 reported good and another report on its way, powerpc just about to burn
[09:21] <Kamion> Riddell: thanks
[09:22] <Kamion> we can publish that lot if powerpc works ok (preferably in both install and live modes), then
[09:22] <Riddell> US kubuntu mirror has been in a state of limbo for the last hour
[09:23] <Kamion> yeah, there's apparently a mirroring problem there
[09:23] <Kamion> I think it's trying to take the new files before removing old files
[09:24] <Kamion> and must be on the edge of its disk space limits
[09:24] <Kamion> I can't do anything about it from here; likely any attempt I make would just make it worse
[09:25] <elmo> we can't fix it
[09:25] <JaneW> Anyone who is willing to proof read the Edubuntu Announcement please take a look -> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuReleaseAnnouncement
[09:25] <Kamion> it seems to have removed the DVD images, so it must have been pretty close beforehand too
[09:25] <elmo> there's another (non-Ubuntu) projcet eating all the space, so even if we free up some, it'll just get used up before we can mirror it
[09:25] <elmo> I've pinged the local admin, but it's a bad time timewise
[09:25] <carthik> JaneW, "Edubuntu is as a version "
[09:26] <Riddell> JaneW: s/Edubuntu Release /Edubuntu release, /
[09:26] <carthik> JaneW, "knowledge and skill will be able" "knowledge and skill should be able"
[09:26] <Kamion> JaneW: "Educational specific applications" -> "Education-specific applications", I think
[09:26] <JaneW> k
[09:27] <Kamion> "a writing speed" -> "A writing speed"
[09:27] <Riddell> s/Basically//  not a word to be used in formal writing
[09:28] <carthik> JaneW, " default with as less questions as possible" ->  "default with as few questions as possible"
[09:28] <pitti> elmo: is uploading to breezy-updates ok? I need to bump the mozilla version number to be higher than hoary-security
[09:28] <carthik> JaneW, capitalize "Ubuntu" "Breezy", "Badger"
[09:29] <elmo> pitti: you can do - it's untested tho, might break
[09:29] <pitti> elmo: and -security? I need to do an update today
[09:29] <infinity> pitti : Err, what?
[09:29] <infinity> pitti : 2:1.7.12-0ubuntu2 >> 2:1.7.12-0ubuntu05.04
[09:31] <pitti> infinity: unfortunately dpkg has its own idea about that
[09:31] <pitti> infinity: breezy is really smaller
[09:31] <Kamion> "bootprompt" -> "boot prompt"
[09:32] <elmo> pitti: same deal - untested, may break
[09:32] <Kamion> infinity: 2 < 05 - numeric parts are compared numerically
[09:32] <infinity> pitti : Erk, crap.
[09:32] <elmo> of course we need to find that out one way or anothr, or so
[09:32] <sabdfl> JaneW: i'll give it a once-over when you're done editing there
[09:32] <sabdfl> ping me then, please
[09:32] <pitti> elmo: ok, I uploaded b-updates; let's see how it goes
[09:32] <infinity> pitti : In that case, I need to update thunderbird as well.
[09:33] <JaneW> thanks guys
[09:33] <infinity> pitti : Are you just bumping mozilla to 05.10?
[09:33] <JaneW> sabdfl: just saving
[09:34] <JaneW> sabdfl: done. go ahead
[09:34] <infinity> Kamion : Yeah, I thought all bets were off as soon as letters got involved, I didn't realise it split the string and did the numeric bits on their own.. :/
[09:36] <Kamion> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version, although I realise it's a bit late now
[09:36] <Kamion> Then the initial part of the remainder of each string which consists entirely of digit characters is determined. The numerical values of these two parts are compared, and any difference found is returned as the result of the comparison.
[09:36] <infinity> pitti : I'll have to do enigmail as well.  If we'd had one more upload, I wouldn't. ;)
[09:36] <infinity> pitti : -0ubuntu05.04.2 versus -0ubuntu5  <bang head on desk>
[09:37] <infinity> Kamion : Thanks for the pointer.  The versions seemed lexically okay to me, so I didn't even bother with a --compare-versions.   See the topic in /t
[09:42] <crimsun> err, sorry
[09:43] <elmo> pitti: no, I caught it
[09:43] <infinity> elmo : Good to go for a nother pair of uploads, then?
[09:44] <elmo> for -updates yes
[09:44] <elmo> don't try and do any security yet
[09:45] <pitti> elmo: ok; I still have to prepare the packages anyway and I can start with warty and hoary
[09:47] <infinity> Okay, enigmail and tbird uploaded.
[09:47] <infinity> Firefox used a different numbering scheme, so it's okay.  And I assume we have no other such version issues?
[09:47] <pitti> right
[09:47] <elmo> okay -security should be good to go now too
[09:48] <pitti> these were the only upstream updates
[09:48] <pitti> elmo: great, thanks
[09:49] <elmo> pitti: please try it with one upload first tho, and make sure it goes all the way through the process correctly
[09:49] <pitti> elmo: but I still can release warty, hoary, and breezy together?
[09:49] <elmo> uh?
[09:49] <elmo> not from the same source package no?
[09:50] <infinity> No, but from the same amber run, I assume he meant.  And yes, of course.
[09:50] <elmo> if you mean amber them together, yes, normally.  however until we've verified it works, I'd prefer if you amber breezy separately
[09:50] <pitti> elmo: ah, that's what I meant
[09:50] <pitti> elmo: yes, no problem
[09:53] <sadleder> hi Kamion, i have a problem with openssh-client on Debian unstable. when using sitecopy with sftp, it stalles on connect, but manual sftp works fine.
[09:53] <sadleder> ... ah, and my setup has worked for some years before.
[09:54] <smurf> sadleder: -EWRONGCHANNEL
[09:54] <Kamion> I'd prefer you filed a bug anyway
[09:55] <Kamion> I tend to need ssh -vvv output and that sort of thing, which is a bit verbose for IRC :)
[09:55] <Kamion> sadleder: plus I've been awake for about 24 hours and not in the best condition for debugging openssh right now :-)
[09:56] <sadleder> Kamion: sure, i just didn't know how to track that problem down myself.
[09:56] <dholbach> Kamion: you did an awesome job
[09:56] <Kamion> sadleder: I'd start by getting sitecopy to run sftp with -vvv for extra debugging
[09:56] <Kamion> dholbach: thank you
[09:57] <sadleder> Kamion: ok, i'll try that
[09:58] <maswan> elmo: yes?
[09:59] <elmo> maswan: you're syncing super slowly from us - is everything ok on your end, AFAYK?
[10:01] <Kaloz> Kamion: i'm just mirroring the stuff as I did with hoary. when it's done, can you post it as an unofficial mirror for hungary?
[10:03] <maswan> elmo: that's weird slow
[10:03] <elmo> yeah
[10:03] <elmo> you've got the machine to yourself at this end, other hosts are syncing off it ok, and I'm sure we've got enough outgoing BW still
[10:04] <maswan> I'm going to break and restart it
[10:04] <Kamion> Kaloz: if you give me the URL I'll add it to /download/, sure
[10:04] <Kamion> though you really ought to mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>instead / as well
[10:05] <Kaloz> it will be http://dune.hu/ubuntu-releases, as hoary was
[10:05] <Kamion> and add yourself to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[10:05] <Kaloz> well, i'm still planning to set up a full, official mirror btw
[10:05] <Kamion> Kaloz: ok, that's easy, I can just copy your entry from hoary when your mirror's done
[10:06] <maswan> oh, damn. now I know.
[10:06] <maswan> http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/index.html.en
[10:06] <maswan> the cluster is running flat out
[10:06] <Lathiat> haha
[10:06] <maswan> so the rsync will have to wait for disk etc
[10:06] <Kamion> I didn't know your cluster had a flat out
[10:07] <elmo> maswan: hmm, ok - but even before we broke your cluster, it was going pretty slowly
[10:07] <elmo> as in 10Mbit or less
[10:07] <maswan> elmo: can I hit symcproxy with two more hosts?
[10:07] <HiddenWolf> maswan, nice server names. :)
[10:07] <elmo> maswan: hit it with whatever you like
[10:08] <maswan> ok
[10:08] <Lathiat> maswan: goign to deploy the emergency mirror hosts again? :)
[10:08] <maswan> Lathiat: yes
[10:09] <Lathiat> maswan: so what did you pick up in may that like douled your traffic?
[10:10] <Lathiat> mmm, more april
[10:10] <maswan> sarge?
[10:10] <maswan> april? hoary?
[10:11] <Lathiat> nah i mean like consistently, not just release time
[10:11] <Lathiat> or do they really make that much of a difference?
[10:11] <xhaker> dayly 12.2 install i386 = final install ?
[10:11] <maswan> ah, well, ubuntu and star wars-revelations dvd isos
[10:11] <xhaker> md5sum match
[10:12] <Lathiat> maswan: ah ok
[10:12] <maswan> meeting... :/
[10:12] <xhaker> Lathiat... am i right?
[10:14] <highvoltage> hno73: can you join edubuntu as well please?
[10:16] <hno73> highvoltage: yep :)
[10:17] <highvoltage> :)
[10:19] <Kinnison> Can someone on the ubuntu-devel mailing list confirm whether or not a posting from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>about dapper got through?
[10:20] <makx> hello jbailey asked me to test amd64 breezy images
[10:20] <makx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyTestPlan
[10:20] <smurf> Kinnison: looks like it didn't
[10:20] <Kinnison> smurf: Okay, I'll send a new one from my home address as soon as my subscription is processed
[10:21] <makx> 20051011 worked on hp proliant 385
[10:21] <Riddell> Kamion: I've had a second good report on kubuntu amd64 dvd and powerpc dvd is working for me so we're good to go
[10:22] <makx> minor glitches:
[10:22] <makx> * switching terminal while usplash don't get you back to usplash
[10:23] <infinity> makx : You're a bit late, we released already. :)
[10:23] <makx> hehe ok cool.
[10:24] <makx> anyway just let you know.
[10:24] <makx> * live didn't recognize swap on cciss partitions.
[10:24] <infinity> elmo : Those uploads don't appear to have ever made it into wanna-build
[10:24] <makx> infinity: that's all.
[10:25] <makx> anyway recieved that nice babe yesterday, soo... :)
[10:25] <makx> good luck guys!!!
[10:29] <pitti> sivang: ping
[10:29] <Kinnison> hey silbs
[10:30] <Riddell> hmm, se.releases hasn't updated for kubuntu either
[10:30] <crimsun> Riddell: known issue
[10:31] <\sh> Riddell: hu
[10:31] <Riddell> morning \sh
[10:31] <\sh> Riddell: I just read ubw...i hope u never brought this konqui settings into main ,)
[10:31] <JaneW> night Riddell
[10:32] <\sh> MORNING FREE WORLD HAPPY BADGER DAY
[10:32] <highvoltage> yippee!!1
[10:32] <Riddell> which setting?
[10:32] <highvoltage> \sh: ^5
[10:32] <Lathiat> \sh++
[10:33] <\sh> Riddell: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts
[10:33] <\sh> hehe..is ubuntu out?
[10:33] <fabbione> \sh: /topic my friend
[10:33] <infinity> \sh : According to ubuntu-announce, yes.
[10:33] <Lathiat> yes
[10:33] <Lathiat> Riddell: did konsole get fixed?
[10:33] <Riddell> Lathiat: no
[10:33] <Lathiat> err :\ thats a nasty bug
[10:33] <\sh> well...then my dream was no dream :)
[10:34] <Riddell> Lathiat: -updates.  soon
[10:34] <Riddell> \sh: I'm off to bed, I need you to keep poking people randomly until the kubuntu DVDs get on the release server and everything is mirrored
[10:34] <Lathiat> ya
[10:34] <\sh> Riddell: k...
[10:34] <Riddell> night JaneW
[10:35] <\sh> Riddell: sleep well :) and have nice dreams :)
[10:36] <dholbach> Riddell: sleep tight... you deserve the sleep now :)
[10:39] <\sh> ogra: Congrats to Edubuntu :) and u too sleep as well in peace :)
[10:41] <maswan> finally end of meeting, now I can fix stuff.
[10:46] <HiddenWolf> How are the servers holding up?
[10:48] <maswan> elmo: something is broken, I'm rsyncing syncproxy -> test5 now, and still getting pathetic rates. test5 does nothing else.
[10:49] <Mithrandir> maswan: you've used up the university quota, so you're down to ISDN speed now. :-P
[10:49] <fabbione> lol
[10:50] <maswan> Mithrandir: I managed to get the amd64 install iso from ftp.heanet.ie at 20M/s
[10:51] <dredg> 10mins walk
[10:51] <dredg> far far longer in terms of routing
[10:52] <sabdfl> (09:52:49) sabdfl: elmo: i've updated the download page mirror lists
[10:52] <sabdfl> (09:52:58) sabdfl: separating those that have the final from those that are still showing RC
[10:53] <sabdfl> also,  removing references to Hoary
[10:53] <sabdfl> at least, when plone is ready to ack all of this
[10:53] <sabdfl> also, i've started linking directly to the 5.10 directory at each of the mirrors
[10:53] <sabdfl> it should be easy during the course of the day, as the mirrors come on stream, to move them from the "still have RC" to the "have the final" lists
[10:54] <\sh> sabdfl: happy badger to you too :) and congrats to have 3 new babies ;)