[21:06] <foormea> hi. can i install Kubuntu+1 from an ubuntu mini install usb stick (current)? or do i need a ubuntu+1 mini-install boot image?
[21:22] <valorie> yes, you can install from the daily current
[21:22] <valorie> you might try in a vbox or so to be sure
[21:22] <valorie> I have done so
[21:23] <k1l_> he is gone :/
[21:24] <valorie> pfff
[21:24] <valorie> how not to use IRC: ask and leave


[02:03] <Theo_> hello
[02:06] <lks> anyone how to configure the microphone to work
[02:06] <lks> cheers
[02:14] <Billll> moo
[03:03] <sunaboz1>  is curl faster than wget for http and ftp downloads? or just the same
[03:04] <hads> The variable is your connection, so, the same.
[03:05] <sunaboz1> thanks, I'll just get the frontend for wget then
[03:35] <xinooo> why only one cpu is shown in system monitor, while it's actually a AMD 64 dual core ?
[04:03] <Genelyk> uhmm
[04:04] <Genelyk> why installed xubuntu in  64 x2
[04:05] <TheSheep> Genelyk: why not?
[04:10] <coldhak> there used to be a utility that would diagram graphically how disk space was used, but i don't have it since i reinstalled. anybody know of anything like that?
[04:11] <TheSheep> coldhak: baobab
[04:11] <TheSheep> coldhak: it's juts not displayed in the menu, should be there
[04:11] <TheSheep> just run it from terminal
[04:12] <coldhak> not there, but i'm installing it
[04:13] <coldhak> ah, that's exactly what i wanted. thanks
[04:24] <anusha> how to create shortcuts of pidgin on desktop
[04:29] <zoredache> anusha: right click on the desktop choose create launcher..  In the run field enter 'pidgin'
[04:34] <anusha> zoredache: no it is not coming.i want to create the shortcuts on my desktop.i tried it by using right click but i wasnt working.so what should i now
[04:37] <zoredache> does anything show up when you right click on the desktop?
[04:37] <zoredache> is there anything on the desktop right now?
[04:41] <anusha> on right click na it is just opening the file
[04:42] <zoredache> anusha: when you right click.  Make sure your pointer isn't over any existing icons
[04:43] <anusha> zoredache: it is not displaying anything .it opens as if u r left clicking on it
[04:53] <magic_ninja> any security gurus in here
[04:54] <magic_ninja> for some reason i have two users logged in, but it does'nt show who the other user is, like they are hiding from the "who" command
[04:59] <zoredache> why do you think you have two users logged in?
[05:03] <magic_ninja> zoredache, because i do, its not that i have another tty logged in or a pts, its a user that the 'who' command does not show, this is what is worrying me
[05:03] <zoredache> what tool is showing the other user?
[05:05] <cody-somerville> Another command to look at logged in users is the users command
[05:05] <zoredache> have you tried at looking at the output of 'lsof'?
[05:06] <magic_ninja> zoredache, anything in particular to grep it for
[05:07] <magic_ninja> dhclient3 8666        dhcp  cwd   unknown                                /proc/8666/cwd (readlink: Permission denied)
[05:07] <magic_ninja> that looks suspicous
[05:08] <zoredache> use a 'grep -v' and exclude things that you know you started
[05:09] <magic_ninja> zoredache, can you explain a little more please?
[05:11] <zoredache> well lets say you where running apache.   grep -v 'www-data' would filter out everything running under the www-data account
[05:14] <magic_ninja> i see, so i pinpoint things running to see what might be strange
[05:14] <magic_ninja> there is no way to show a hidden user?
[05:15] <zoredache> If your system hasn't be hacked there shouldn't be hidden users
[05:16] <zoredache> I am still curious what you are looking at or doing that makes you think ther e is a hidden user
[05:16] <magic_ninja> when i rebooted, i noticed that i had two users going and the other user is hidden, i ran rkhunter and got some output about root account being enabled from sshd, and i shouldn't be running an sshd in the first place
[05:17] <magic_ninja> so i'm trying to track down what the hell is going on with this mystery user
[05:17] <magic_ninja> sorry about the language
[05:17] <zoredache> you noticed how?
[05:19] <magic_ninja> gkrellm
[05:20] <magic_ninja> i had this problem on my old box,  i got a new computer a month or so ago and had no problems, then today i noticed this was happening again
[05:21] <magic_ninja> at times my internet will run slow, really slow, i'll reset the connection and it works fine for a while
[05:21] <magic_ninja> mabye i should try a reboot with no network and see what happens with the mystery user
[05:21] <zoredache> I guess
[05:22] <magic_ninja> my cpu usage randomly goes through the roof for a while, mabye i'm just being paranoid but i find it all put together quite suspicous
[05:22] <zoredache> when you said you shouldn't be running sshd.  Do you mean that you hever installed openssh-server?
[05:22] <zoredache> if sshd is running and you didn't install openssh-server then I would start there
[05:24] <magic_ninja> i already removed the ssh server and shutoff the sshd
[05:25] <zoredache> and you are certain you aren't just seeing a bug in gkrellm?
[05:25] <magic_ninja> is there another program type of system monitor that will show that
[05:27] <magic_ninja> i'll be right back
[05:30] <magic_ninja> zoredache, it restarted with one user
[05:32] <magic_ninja> and i have firestarter monitoring network connections
[05:33] <magic_ninja> got an interesting tidbit
[05:34] <zoredache> ?
[05:35] <magic_ninja> well
[05:35] <magic_ninja> i found an ipp address, and a whois returned some interesting info on a computer in china
[05:39] <magic_ninja> sorry about that
[05:42] <magic_ninja> well from what i'm gathering, its showing a portscan/intrusion attempt from china, but i'm no security expert, but a linux box is a sweet target
[06:02] <magic_ninja> zoredache, they are coming from china and africa, i found some alot of sites that showed them as intrusion attempts
[06:02] <magic_ninja> various ports, both tcp and udp
[06:09] <zoredache> is your computer directly connected to the internet?
[06:09] <zoredache> if you are on the internet you are going to get scanned a lot....
[06:17] <coldhak> shell is complaning about ^M on the bang line, is that the \r or the \n?
[06:18] <zoredache> I would guess the \r
[06:20] <coldhak> thanks :)
[08:03] <theeyealtering> Does anyone know the command to bring up the Places menu, I want to bind a keyboard shortcut to it?
[08:56] <sunabozu> any recommended best LAN filesharing tool for Ubuntu and Windows?
[09:00] <theeyealtering> Samba is the standard tool I think. Look at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202605
[09:03] <TheSheep> ssh with avahi maybe...
[09:03] <TheSheep> or sftp with avahi
[09:03] <TheSheep> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=218630
[09:51] <sunabozu> can't make it work, samba is just overwhelming
[09:53] <TheSheep> !swat
[10:07] <sunabozu> TheSheep: I found p300 and it's really good, wooho java!
[11:19] <sunabozu> any guide on making bittorrent work?
[11:20] <sunabozu> I've tried lots of clients for ubuntu, I'm still having < 2KB/s, I've just installed 7.10
[11:24] <arf`> sunabozu: 2kB/s is a sort of working :)
[11:29] <Carouselbeast> Hello there! Can anyone tell me how to change my keyboard layout in xubuntu?
[11:30] <Carouselbeast> And why should I not install flashplugin-nonfree ?
[11:40] <jokoon> because its not open source
[11:41] <Carouselbeast> And how do I change my keyboard layout?
[11:55] <D--> Carouselbeast: Application>Settings>Settings Manager>Keyboard>Layouts
[11:55] <D--> Uncheck the "X" option and pick something else.
[11:56] <D--> As for flashplugin-nonfree, you should not install it because if you do that, all your flash content will display correctly. Ideology is more important than compatibility.
[12:00] <Carouselbeast> Thank you
[12:00] <Carouselbeast> worked
[16:00] <magic_ninja> this isn't normal
[16:00] <magic_ninja> i've been getting portscans on my comp all night
[16:03] <Myrtti> hate to burst the bubble, but that's what Internet is nowadays
[16:03] <magic_ninja> really?
[16:03] <magic_ninja> thats weak
[16:16] <cody-somerville> magic_ninja, are you the same guy that was worried about someone being logged into your computer last night?
[16:17] <magic_ninja> cody-somerville, yea, i got it figured out
[16:17] <magic_ninja> cody-somerville, never realized how bad it is nowadays
[16:17] <magic_ninja> cody-somerville, found a bug in gkrellm though :-)
[16:18] <cody-somerville> magic_ninja, whats the bug number?
[16:18] <magic_ninja> not sure
[16:18] <magic_ninja> when you log into another tty, then log back out gkrellm shows 2 users still
[16:18] <cody-somerville> magic_ninja, and I assumed you reported that?
[16:18] <magic_ninja> cody-somerville, na i need too though
[18:53] <slow-motion> hi
[18:58] <morslok> I have a problem with my font size in xubuntu 8.04, all the letters are too big and as a result I can't see everything on the screen.
[18:59] <morslok> i just installed today on an old desktop system with onboard video, it's an hp
[21:37] <Guest98084> Anybody using an EEE?
[21:39] <cody-somerville> not I
[21:47] <Truefire> I'm using an Asus EEE...
[21:47] <Truefire> and I got it small enough with Xubuntu to have everything I need, with 630mb to spare.
[21:49] <Truefire> I obviously added programs, such as Warzoine 2100, OpenOffice, VLC, Audatious, Skype, Netbeans, Geany...
[21:49] <Truefire> ...and wine.
[21:49] <Truefire> but it is the 4g..
[21:50] <Truefire> I doubt the 2g eee is useful
[21:50] <Truefire> unless you use puppy, :p
[21:51] <Truefire> I'll be writing about the EEE on my site, 'http://www.easygeek.org'
[21:52] <TheSheep> Truefire: you can fit a usable linux distro in 256MB
[21:52] <TheSheep> Truefire: of course it involves soem heavy hacking
[21:53] <TheSheep> I guess (x)ubuntu is not the best starting point for that
[22:24] <slow-motion> n8
[22:51] <xaer0> hellos
[22:52] <xaer0> cody-somerville: you around?
[22:52] <xaer0> or anyone of the marketing team?
[22:52] <cody-somerville> I'm here
[22:53] <xaer0> i have a thought that maybe useful
[22:54] <xaer0> i just posted it in the xubuntu-users email group
[22:55] <xaer0> under<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:59] <xaer0> something like that for Xubuntu.. mostly those who love Xubuntu that are willing to ship CDs out for free
[22:59] <xaer0> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/Information
[23:08] <xaer0> so any comments?
[23:09] <cody-somerville> Interesting
[23:10] <xaer0> ya i thought it might be good for a distro like Xubuntu... because most of the light weight distros you have to pay for or download (some people dont have access to faster internet)
[23:11] <xaer0> that and the fact Ubuntu is so popular now, also you can get it at Circity City with 60days of live telephone tech support for 19 bucks
[23:12] <xaer0> or was it best buy
[23:14] <xaer0> i thought it maybe fun or a good project to Alpha or Beta awhile.. a Free Xubuntu CD Program.
[23:14]  * cody-somerville nods.
[23:15] <xaer0> well keep it in mind i guess.. :-D
[23:15] <xaer0> every idea is a good idea to someone :L)
[23:15] <xaer0> well i go to go.. wanted to get that off my chest :-D
[23:15]  * xaer0 = dinner time


[13:29] <gmb> benji: Are you king of the castle today?
[13:31] <bac> gmb: benji is sitting in judgment of his fellow citizens
[13:31] <gmb> Oh, of course.
[13:31] <bac> is danilos around?
[13:32] <danilos> yeah, sorry
[13:32] <danilos> reverting the landing of the big branch, some merge issues :/
[13:32] <bac> so call later?
[13:32] <bac> nm
[13:59] <danilos> gmb, bac: does anyone have a minute to try "bin/test -vvt PackageCopyJob" in any of their dev branches? I am getting those failures in devel and my big combo branch, but I can't tell why
[13:59] <gmb> danilos: sure
[13:59] <danilos> thanks
[13:59]  * bac tries
[14:00] <gmb> danilos: Do you need it to happen in a branch that has recently had devel merged into it?
[14:00] <danilos> oh, now that may be due to my landing, but I got it even before that :/
[14:00] <gmb> Ah. Hmm.
[14:01] <danilos> gmb, I'd prefer anything before devel r13243
[14:01] <gmb> danilos: Ah, damn, all of my branches are newer than that. Maybe bac has something...
[14:03] <danilos> gmb, bac: never mind, I guess my 'devel' was a bit messed up :/
[14:04] <bac> fwiw mine ran without problem
[14:04] <bac> r13240
[14:50] <gmb> bac, Any idea why bin/buildout wouldn't pull in lazr.uri for lp2kanban?
[14:50]  * gmb knows nothing about buildout, finds it endlessly frustrating, and wishes it would DIAF.
[14:50] <bac> gmb: did you add it to setup.py?
[14:51] <bac> i'm so confused by buildout and setup.py.  which is chicken and which is egg?
[14:51] <gmb> Aaaah.
[14:51] <gmb> I've run buildout, not setup.
[14:51] <bac> and if you want to run the damned script, should it be run with
[14:51] <gmb> And no, haven't added it yet.
[14:51] <bac> bin/py build/.../bugs2kanban.py?
[14:52] <gmb> Not a clue.
[14:53] <bac> gmb: did you get the test credentials?
[14:53] <gmb> bac: Not that I recall.


[05:31] <pitti> Good morning
[07:52] <DanChapman> jibel \o/ there all green :-D
[07:52]  * elfy sets about fixing that ...
[07:55] <DanChapman> morning elfy o/
[07:56] <elfy> hi DanChapman :)
[08:00] <jibel> Good morning
[08:00] <jibel> DanChapman, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Ubiquity/view/All/ is all green \o/
[08:01] <DanChapman> good morning jibel, \o/ \o/
[08:02]  * DanChapman thinks irc needs some dancing emoticons
[08:02] <DanChapman> jibel, thanks again for you help with it yesterday :-)
[08:03] <Yeitijem> Hi I'm a developer at SARAD. I want to test some .Net application using the new Mono version 3.x. How I can upgrade to the testing version of ubuntu?
[08:07] <jibel> DanChapman, thanks to you, you did most of the work.
[08:47] <pitti> Yeitijem: you can use "do-release-upgrade -d" for that
[08:47] <pitti> Yeitijem: however, in many cases it's safer (and even more convenient) to do that in a schroot, container, or VM
[08:47] <pitti> Yeitijem: for simple cases you can even just run a daily built ISO in QEMU
[08:47] <pitti> Yeitijem: (i. e. the live system)
[08:52] <Yeitijem> pitti: Thank you!
[08:57] <DanChapman> jibel grrr VNC failed to bind socket and has spoiled the green :-(
[09:01] <jibel> DanChapman, argh, re-running. port allocation must be more reliable.  I saw your post on the green stuff :-)
[16:11] <dkessel> ...balloons , DanChapman posted about your finger? ;)
[16:11] <balloons> The worst part of the finger is still black and red, the other parts I can see skin again with only the deep cuts showing
[16:12] <balloons> dkessel, I did.. Kind of a funny story I suppose, given the full background
[16:12] <dkessel> balloons: yeah i read it....
[16:12] <balloons> I like to kite, and it was a gutsy day and I was trying to be safe and not get hurt.. so being extra cautious and all, I slice my finger and never fly a kite :-)
[16:13] <DanChapman> balloons: yes indeed all green. It's a nice sight.
[16:13] <DanChapman> ouch still black!! sounds nasty
[16:14] <balloons> jibel, have you heard back from Paul on CI taking over the jenkins runs for ubiquity?
[16:14] <jibel> balloons, no, last I heard was that they wanted to have them all green, which is now the case
[16:15] <balloons> DanChapman, yea :-) But the feeling and movement is all back.. A couple more weeks I think :-)
[16:15] <balloons> jibel, right. Probably time to poke them again
[16:17] <jibel> balloons, yes, sounds like the right time. I'll add a comment on asana
[16:20] <jibel> balloons, done
[16:20] <balloons> excellent jibel. The other question is the desktop tests. I know we spoke briefly about the runner needing updated, etc
[16:22] <rvr> balloons: ping
[16:43] <jibel> balloons, what is the question? :)
[16:45] <balloons> jibel, sorry. I was saying for the autopilot tests for desktop apps, like rhythmnbox, gedit, etc
[16:46] <balloons> the end goal was to run those after images as well, and we have jenkins jobs for them, but I believe they need updated
[16:46] <balloons> let me find the link
[16:46] <jibel> balloons, ah right. To be honest it is at the very bottom of the stack :) But i'll try to have a look
[16:47] <balloons> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/autopilot-ubuntu-applications/
[16:47] <balloons> jibel, yes I agree.. ubiquity first :-)
[16:47] <jibel> balloons, yeah, it is not like there is a release in a month.
[17:12] <elopio> balloons: my phone is now working, but I couldn't run the calendar tests. How are you deploying the tests? click-buddy?
[17:12] <balloons> elopio, yes via click-buddy
[17:13] <balloons> robotfuel, i saw https://code.launchpad.net/~chris.gagnon/ubuntu-calendar-app/fix_1293489/+merge/211777
[17:30] <robotfuel> balloons: do you have anyway to run that on an n4 in ci?
[17:31] <robotfuel> balloons: can you review it for me? :)
[17:31] <balloons> robotfuel, I don't have such super powers.. why did you make the change?
[17:31] <balloons> as I said we did it with clock as well.. eds tends to take a bit to load @ times
[17:32] <robotfuel> balloons: to fix this failure http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/mako/239:20140317:20140304/7181/calendar_app/900407/
[17:33] <robotfuel> balloons: we need to make sure the main_view is loaded before we can verify that it's visible.
[17:33] <balloons> I approved the change, it makes sense, I was just surprised to see it
[17:34] <robotfuel> balloons: thanks!
[17:40] <jibel> robotfuel, another one if you have time https://bugs.launchpad.net/sudoku-app/+bug/1294770
[17:40] <robotfuel> jibel: sure
[18:10] <linuxgeek_> hey ubuntu-qa team, is this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/1012629 is fixed in precise 12.04.4. in the end, there is a note fixed in trusty
[18:11] <balloons> linuxgeek_, ?
[18:11] <linuxgeek_> balloons, i'm using preseed to install 12.04.4 and am hitting this error
[18:15] <davmor2> linuxgeek_: it doesn't say it is fixed in 12.04.4 so I guess not
[18:15] <linuxgeek_> davmor2, thanks. is there a way to get past this?
[18:16] <davmor2> linuxgeek_: I have no idea have you tried looking on askubuntu.com alternatively you can look at the fix and see if you can implement it on 12.04.4 or wait till it does land
[18:20] <linuxgeek_> davmor2, askubuntu does not have dicussion on this. the fix is patch - Cherrypick 1.92 changes: Adapt patch from Guilhem Moulin to always honor
[18:20] <linuxgeek_>     grub-installer/bootdev
[18:21] <linuxgeek_> davmor2, do you have idea if i can get this patch into 12.04.4 iso and how?
[18:21] <davmor2> linuxgeek_: nope
[18:22] <davmor2> linuxgeek_: it might be that the sru is reviewing it but it takes longer to land stuff in a release version of ubuntu
[18:24] <linuxgeek_> davmor2, do you know whom i can reach out to have this sorted as this is blocking the current thing i'm doing
[18:25] <davmor2> linuxgeek_: No sorry
[18:25] <linuxgeek_> davmor2, thanks for the time.
[19:46] <letozaf> balloons, hello
[19:47] <balloons> letozaf, hello
[19:48] <letozaf> balloons, I have some questions on reminders app on how to write some the test
[19:48] <letozaf> sorry write the tests
[19:48] <letozaf> balloons, I am now using my evernote account
[19:49] <letozaf> balloons, but I think that on Jenkins the tests are run on the testing evernote account
[19:49] <letozaf> balloons, and I also suppose that that account has no notes and notebooks, right _
[19:49] <letozaf> ?
[19:50] <robotfuel> om26er: have you seen apps crash when selecting tabs with autopilot?
[19:51] <om26er> robotfuel, yesterday I did, calendar app I believe
[19:51] <balloons> letozaf, yes.. We haven't crossed the mocking bridge again yet
[19:51] <balloons> but assume a blank account
[19:52] <letozaf> balloons, ok so on every test I will have to add a note or notebook before running tests on them, right ? just like rssreader more or less
[19:53] <balloons> robotfuel, om26er re: calendar failing on switch_to_tab, it happens with the app manually too. I have a mp in progress to revert the offending merge that broke things
[19:54] <robotfuel> balloons: do you have a link? I think I am seeing the same thing in the sudoku app
[19:54] <balloons> robotfuel, ohh the sudoku thing is different
[19:54] <balloons> emulator weirdness with tab length i believe
[19:54] <balloons> although again i don't see it locally
[19:55] <letozaf> balloons, what about rssreader app ? I also have an issue with tabs there, I have a couple of tests skipped for tab issues
[19:55] <om26er> ok, so no crash balloons  ?
[19:55] <balloons> rss reader app suffers from dynamic tabs not working in sdk.. there's a bug
[19:56] <balloons> letozaf, yes you will need to setup any notebooks we need. However, it might be wise for use to leave the account setup in a certain way.. not sure
[19:57] <balloons> om26er, ?
[19:57] <letozaf> balloons, in what way ?
[19:57] <balloons> letozaf, it might make sense to leave a notebook in the account and reference it in the tests
[19:57] <balloons> not sure.. but for now, don't do it that way
[19:58] <letozaf> balloons, so I will do it adding what I need to test, note or notebook, ok ?
[19:59] <balloons> letozaf, yep.. have the test create whatever it needs
[19:59] <balloons> and remove it when done :-)
[19:59] <letozaf> balloons, ok
[20:47] <dkessel> hm. interesting unity bug i have here today... can anybody confirm this: when pushing window to right side of screen so it fills half of the screen automatically, the window is one pixel too small... one pixel column of the background shines through
[20:47] <balloons> dkessel, i don;t have it, but I wonder if it's fallout from the clean borders
[20:48] <dkessel> balloons: possible. this is on a 1080p display. i don't know the sort of calculations involved in the window positioning....
[20:49] <balloons> I use window snapping ALOT, but yea, I've not see what u are speaking about
[20:49] <balloons> which app is it?
[20:50] <balloons> for instance gnome-terminal is horrible at snapping and leaves open edges
[20:50] <balloons> i guess it's the only one I've ever seen display oddly
[20:50] <dkessel> any app it seems. chrome, vlc, virtualbox, terminal...
[20:51] <dkessel> oh wait. thunderbird works correctly!
[20:51] <balloons> hehe
[20:51] <balloons> unity I'm assuming right?
[20:52] <dkessel> yup
[20:52] <balloons> btw dkessel ctrl+alt+numpad is amazing
[20:52] <dkessel> nautilus works, too
[20:52] <balloons> you can snap to middle and top as well if you enable them
[20:52] <dkessel> ...if you have a numpad i assume :)
[20:52] <balloons> wow.. you are missing out if you haven't snapped that way
[20:52] <balloons> it's brillant
[20:53] <robotfuel> bzoltan asked me to resync my optionselector autopilot emulator with trunk again, hopefully it lands this time<-- elopio
[20:53] <balloons> super+ctrl does some things to
[20:53] <dkessel> i should use super + w more often
[20:54] <dkessel> anybody else using unity and able to confirm the behaviour?
[20:58] <dkessel> for some apps its even more... two pixels or so
[20:59] <letozaf> balloons, but does adding notebooks to reminders app work ? I am trying this on my laptop but it does not work
[20:59] <thomi> dkessel: confirmed for me
[21:00] <dkessel> ok. trying to find a bug here... against unity i guess
[21:01] <letozaf> balloons, also adding a note does not work for me
[21:02] <balloons> letozaf, i haven't tried since the rewrote some things
[21:02] <balloons> it's failing manually?
[21:02] <letozaf> balloons, yes
[21:03] <letozaf> balloons, I was trying how to do things manually before writing the tests but adding notes and notebooks does not work
[21:05] <dkessel> thomi: did you log off / reboot after applying updates today?
[21:05] <balloons> letozaf, :-( Well, if that is the case I guess they are bugs. Still, you can write the tests, with the assumption things would show to some extent?
[21:06] <balloons> i forgot my pass, so i can;t login to verify atm hah!
[21:06] <letozaf> balloons, lol
[21:06] <balloons> let me reset
[21:07] <letozaf> balloons, I can try to write the tests without testing them even if it sounds weired to me :P
[21:07] <balloons> letozaf, yes.. to the extent the tests would pass once th ebugs are fiex
[21:08] <letozaf> balloons, do I have to report a bug on everything I find not working or what ?
[21:10] <balloons> letozaf, works for me
[21:10] <letozaf> balloons, :O
[21:10] <balloons> letozaf, regrant access
[21:11] <balloons> i did and it started working
[21:11] <letozaf> balloons, ok let me try
[21:12] <thomi> dkessel: I haven't applied any updates today :-/
[21:12] <dkessel> thomi: ok, so that cannot be the cause then
[21:12] <letozaf> balloons, I did regrant access but it still does not work for me, after clicking on save it the notebook does not appear
[21:13] <balloons> can you make new notes letozaf ?
[21:13] <letozaf> balloons, nope
[21:13] <balloons> letozaf, signin to the webview, see if they are there
[21:13] <balloons> even though the app doesn't show them
[21:14] <balloons> or restart the app
[21:14] <dkessel> balloons: i am having a hard time choosing whether to file against unity or compiz here... what do you think?
[21:16] <balloons> well I'm up to date as of yesterday. thomi sees it as well.. i'm wondering the cause. are you both running similar gpus/drivers?
[21:16] <balloons> i'm on ati, open drivers
[21:16] <dkessel> nvidia, closed
[21:16] <letozaf> balloons, mmm there is something wrong, I have a lot of notes I had inserted while writing the first tests that are not in the webview and I cannot insert notes from reminders app so definitly there is soemthing wrong, but what ?
[21:16] <dkessel> oh well.. not the desktop
[21:17] <dkessel> intel...
[21:17] <balloons> letozaf, syncing issues.. try deleting everything for reminders and sign in again
[21:17] <balloons> see if things cleanup. but still, sounds like sync issues
[21:18] <balloons> I would file against unity, but it's hard to say how solveable it is
[21:23] <thomi> also nvidia, closed
[21:23] <letozaf> balloons, this is weired: I removed evernote account from account settings, removed ~/.local/share/com.ubuntu.reminders dir lanched reminders and it said I did not have an account, so I added the evernote account in account settings, launched reminders and all my notes are still there but these notes are not in the webview :O
[21:23] <balloons> heh. sync issues for sure
[21:23] <balloons> delete them I guess, close and relaunch
[21:23] <balloons> try then adding one again and see what happens
[21:24] <balloons> if you play in both places at once I noticed it got confused
[21:24] <letozaf> balloons, but I cannot delete them from reminders app as it does not allow me and I do not have them in the webview so how can I remove them ?
[21:24] <dkessel> meh. its not perfectly easy to reproduce.... sometimes they snap correcly, sometimes they don't
[21:26] <letozaf> balloons, I get a lot of these messages while reminders app is open: file:///home/letozaf/autopilot-tests/reminders-app/src/app/qml/components/NotesDelegate.qml:59:5: QML QQuickImage: Failed to get image from provider: image://resource/image/jpeg?noteGuid=dfff9a93-aa0c-45bf-ab0f-d551bffc7564&hash=af5011d9ec039e39340968f7a0d78630
[21:28] <dkessel> thomi: bug 1294864
[21:29]  * thomi pokes the unity 7 guys
[21:32] <letozaf> balloons, I fixed it, I created a new evernote account :P
[21:32] <balloons> letozaf, lol
[21:32] <letozaf> balloons, now its nice and clean and I can add notes :P
[21:32] <balloons> great.. ok, well that's settled
[21:33] <letozaf> balloons, :D
[21:45]  * dkessel adds 'parole' to theoretically autopilot-testable apps
[21:51] <elfy> has dkessel seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Saucy/AutopilotTesting
[21:51] <elfy> dkessel: was updated by lderan in February
[21:53] <dkessel> no, thanks elfy! ... guess i can stop editing this: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eL3q8p7JP9CyL7SX8hBI6D6fbLQHN9WXegCey2aaCf8/edit?usp=sharing
[21:54] <elfy> dkessel: if there is information on the docs thing not on the wiki - add it :)
[21:55] <elfy> maybe versions + toolkit when it isn't gtk3
[22:07] <dkessel> will do when there is time. good night!
[22:12] <elfy> dkessel: I'll try and look at it tomorrow
[22:18] <balloons> fun stuff guys
[22:18] <balloons> i remember you doing that elfy :-)
[22:22] <elfy> balloons: lol - lderan double checked it for trusty
[22:22] <elfy> nothing much has happened since - so when we get to uu I'll do a copypasta for that cycle
[22:24] <elfy> balloons: I'm still not convinced it'll ever work for us :p
[22:24] <elfy> bah - that looks confusing lol
[22:24] <balloons> gtk3 i assume holds promise
[22:24] <elfy> I guess
[22:24] <elfy> but xfce is slow
[22:25] <elfy> still we make a whole lot of use of the package tracker


[05:02] <blahdeblah> ikt: Ping.  Were you the one suggesting a while back that we could think about doing a podcast?
[13:54] <blahdeblah> ikt: ping again - did you get my last message?
[20:09] <ikt> blahdeblah: heya, I didn't get any message sorry :(
[20:09] <ikt> ah just saw it through scrollback
[20:09] <ikt> nah I think that was sagaci who was interested in a podcast
[20:10] <ikt> I couldn't commit to such a deal because a) i'm boring b) it's a lot of work c) I don't want to make a show, hype it, then have it die a month later :/
[20:10] <ikt> like 99% of all linux podcasts
[20:10] <ikt> or podcasts in general really
[20:11] <ikt> then again anything with an apple releated product name in it can be assured to be a fad
[20:11] <ikt>  /snipe


[07:08] <davmor2> hey all
[07:09] <christel> morning davmor2 :)
[07:10] <davmor2> christel: how's life down sowff
[07:10] <christel> bit too busy but otherwise good :)
[07:11] <davmor2> christel: is it not always a  bit too busy though is that not the way of the life of a geek?
[07:36] <czajkowski> davmor2: you're on early
[07:40] <christel> davmor2: i dunno, i'm not a geek ;)
[07:44] <czajkowski> hah
[07:45] <czajkowski> christel: you're funny
[07:45] <christel> :P
[07:45]  * christel snuggles czajkowski
[07:48] <christel> 13
[07:49] <Darael> 12?
[07:49] <christel> ;)
[08:05] <czajkowski> popey: best channel to ask about webapps stuff ?
[08:10] <christel> czajkowski: when do you head to ireland?
[08:11] <czajkowski> thursday
[08:11] <christel> aha!
[08:22] <diplo> Morning all
[08:29] <JamesTait> Happy Monday, all! :-D
[08:34] <christel> heya diplo, JamesTait \o/
[08:35] <AlanBell> czajkowski: there is an #ubuntu-webapps channel but it is fairly quiet
[08:36] <czajkowski> cheers
[08:36] <diplo> Any hackers here ever know anyone who has replaced a iPad2 glass front screen ?
[08:43] <popey> ifixit
[08:44] <mungojerry> diplo, about to replace my touchpad front screen
[08:46] <davmor2> czajkowski: i was on the train to pyconuk for the last time
[08:47]  * JamesTait hugs christel.
[08:47] <davmor2> christel: you are So A Geek you little liar
[08:47] <diplo> Watching a few videos, not for me but a friend.. not sure I want to do it now watching these vids
[08:48] <AlanBell> good phrase to take out of context
[08:49] <diplo> :D
[08:49] <popey> yeah, I wouldn't do it
[08:49] <popey> will apple do it for your friend?
[08:49] <diplo> I'd be fine replacing the glass on my own device, but I'm not sure someone elses
[08:49] <diplo> £200
[08:49] <diplo> 200 pound
[08:50] <popey> how much is the part alone?
[08:50] <diplo> Just the glass broke, on ebay 15 pound + postage
[08:50] <popey> worth a punt then :)_
[08:50] <diplo> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Black-Touch-Screen-Digitizer-Glass-for-iPad-2-3g-Wifi-Both-Tools-/330802462383?pt=UK_iPad_Tablet_Accessories&hash=item4d055cfeaf#ht_2735wt_1090
[08:50] <diplo> That's what I thought, loads of videos as well
[08:50] <popey> i really want to change the disk in my imac but the thought of doing it makes me go "ugh!"
[08:50] <diplo> explaining where to be careful etc
[08:50] <popey> need suction cups to remove the screen
[08:51] <diplo> ooh, rather you than me!
[08:52] <popey> yeah
[08:53] <popey> reverted it back from ubuntu to OSX at the weekend
[08:56] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:57] <diplo> Going to get some suction cups and give it a go then popey ?
[08:57] <popey> maybe
[08:57] <popey> I might when I upgrade my laptop to 550GB SSD, and put the 240GB SSD from the laptop in the iMac
[08:59] <diplo> I've got to start saving for a ssd
[09:09] <popey> http://www.geek.com/articles/apple/owc-offers-up-imac-ssd-upgrade-kit-suction-cups-included-20120417/
[09:09] <popey> ooh!
[09:09] <shauno> popey: I had a video somewhere of a chap who did that quite successfully with a toilet plunger ;)
[09:46] <popey> haha shauno
[11:03] <NET||abuse> yay,, micro server just arrived
[11:03] <NET||abuse> filled out the rebate form, nice!. popey thanks for pointing me at that
[11:04] <NET||abuse> looking forward to a chance to start installing it and stuff now
[11:05] <NET||abuse> need to run spinright on all my drives
[11:05] <NET||abuse> have the 2 1TB and a 250GB in the drawer, so will manage to fill up the slots on the microserver quickly.
[11:11] <BigRedS> Anyone here use guake?
[11:12] <BigRedS> I'd like bug 1058073 to get enough attention that someone fixes it :)
[11:12] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 1058073 in guake (Ubuntu) "The currently active tab looks very much like all the inactive ones" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1058073
[11:12] <NET||abuse> BigRedS: i've not used it in a while.
[11:12] <NET||abuse> BigRedS: is it much better than it used to be (say 2 years"
[11:13] <NET||abuse> or is it much the same in gnome 3 as it was in gnome 2
[11:13] <BigRedS> No idea, I didn't use it in Gnome 2 :)
[11:13] <NET||abuse> hmm, ok
[11:13] <BigRedS> I went through a phase of thinking about how I did things and what software I was using when I was trying out different DEs at the end of Gnome 2's life
[11:14] <BigRedS> seems largely workable to me, what was wrong with it before?
[11:14] <NET||abuse> I like unity and gnome3,
[11:14] <NET||abuse> the quick find pattern i us alot now
[11:14] <NET||abuse> use
[11:14] <BigRedS> yeah, I just want all the best bits of both to find their way into the same DE
[11:14] <NET||abuse> just super key, type some letters, hit enter and ussually running what i want straight away
[11:15] <NET||abuse> part of me wants xfce or something
[11:16] <NET||abuse> i do begrudge the overhead
[11:16] <BigRedS> mm, I really like the gnome-shell/empathy tie-in with that pop-up at the bottom of the screen that I can type into
[11:16] <NET||abuse> but i love the compositing desktop
[11:16] <BigRedS> but then I dislike empathy's general rubbishness...
[11:16] <NET||abuse> empathy needs to be left in the dust or re-invented
[11:17] <NET||abuse> Though i can't really comment on the latest and greatest. i'm on F16 right now for work
[11:18] <NET||abuse> I should totally upgrade to F17, or else just ditch Fedora and go back to Ubuntu
[11:18] <BigRedS> Oh man, I tried fedora a bit for a while
[11:18] <BigRedS> It was really neat for about six hours and then just kept annoying me
[11:18] <NET||abuse> MTA driver doesn't work right so i'm stuck using Airdroid to move stuff to and from my phone and nexus 7
[11:18] <NET||abuse> yeh, i like their effort to use the base gnome shell as the desktop
[11:19] <NET||abuse> i think there needs to be gnome-shell and unity as substitute options
[11:19] <BigRedS> my distro-hopping's basically limited to Debian and Ubuntu now. Nothing else is close enough to debian to not irritate me...
[11:19] <BigRedS> for FC?
[11:19] <NET||abuse> everywhere
[11:19] <BigRedS> haha
[11:19] <BigRedS> well, everything does gnome-shell, just gotta get porting unity!
[11:19] <NET||abuse> and gnome 2, xfce and E17 :P
[11:20] <NET||abuse> fvwm, enlightenment,lxde, flux box
[11:20] <NET||abuse> all of em on the login session selector
[11:21] <NET||abuse> i'd love it if kde 4 would become good and widely supported again
[11:21] <NET||abuse> feel like it's loosing out a bit to the gnome 2/3 unity draw
[11:27] <BigRedS> losing out? I think KDE stopped being relevant shortly after KDE4
[11:27] <NET||abuse> yes, unfortunately
[11:29] <popey> I once tried to switch to KDE for a whole cycle. It annoyed me so much I switched back after about 6 weeks
[11:29] <NET||abuse> i've done this also
[11:30] <NET||abuse> popey: the microserver, it arrived, i'm so excited to get cnfiguring, have you any pointers on the setup?
[11:30] <popey> I have 8GB RAM in mine, and put a boot disk in the optical bay
[11:31] <popey> so i have the other 4 bays available for big disks
[11:31] <popey> and added a pci express esata card
[11:31] <NET||abuse> I've got 2x250GB drvies and 2x1TB drives which will fill up the available slots for now, and i've a 2.5" 160GB drive which i could put in as OS disk
[11:31] <Laney> biggus diskus
[11:31] <NET||abuse> :P
[11:31] <NET||abuse> is there any bios jiggery pokery i should look at?
[11:32] <Laney> there's a grandparents' day?
[11:32]  * Laney eyes amazon suspiciously
[11:32] <NET||abuse> alot of google results are going on about upping speed settings for the sata interfaces and changing to AHCI mode on the sata4/5 ports to allow them to be ssd's and the optical to be bootable
[11:32] <popey> i haven't done any of that
[11:32] <popey> speed on sata interfaces would be handy
[11:32] <NET||abuse> hm, so myabe i don't need to
[11:33] <popey> well, mine is IO bound a lot of the time
[11:33] <popey> so i might need it
[11:33] <popey> is yours an n40L or n36L?
[11:33] <NET||abuse> yeh, they have 1Gb/s on the southbridge, can be upped to 3Gb/s apparently
[11:33] <NET||abuse> N40l
[11:33] <popey> interesting, might look at that
[11:33] <gord> merrymailmanween!
[11:33] <popey> welcome back to democracy!
[11:35] <NET||abuse> hmm, sorry 1.5Gb/s can be upped to 3Gb/s
[11:36] <NET||abuse> needs a homebrew looking bios for the N40L anyway, maybe not such a great plan?
[11:36] <NET||abuse> not sure abuot the 36
[11:39] <NET||abuse> ah, you can switch the optical bay interface from IDE to AHCI which allows the faster sata mode transpport
[11:39] <NET||abuse> and it's the same for the N36L
[11:40] <NET||abuse> so you're not doing anything too scary
[11:43] <popey> optical bay interface?
[11:43] <popey> I'm using a SATA cable plugged into the mobo, socket near the front
[11:43] <NET||abuse> the sata port that is fre for he optical drive bay
[11:44] <NET||abuse> yeh, but according to the forum posters, the unmodded bios will only run that as IDE
[11:44] <popey> interesting
[11:44] <popey> i have an SSD on that port
[11:44] <NET||abuse> so you'll only get about 97 Mb/s or 1Gb/s speed on it depending on other drive mode factors, where as AHCI mode will run at about 6Gb/s
[11:45] <NET||abuse> also, pseudo hot pluggable :)
[11:45] <NET||abuse> you have to spin down/de-activate in software the drives, but you can just hot plug them in and out then :)
[11:45] <NET||abuse> neat
[11:46] <NET||abuse> also the esata port will run faster, so i'm not sure if that's the port your external enclosure is connecting through, but it might even boost that performance too
[11:48] <NET||abuse> some folks are reporting that their winblows install won't boot after switching modes, and they're saying the boot sector or boot config needs to be re-written to reflect it running in the sata mode instead of PATA
[11:48] <NET||abuse> so not sure how that will affect an install under ubuntu/freenas
[11:48] <NET||abuse> which are you running?
[11:48] <popey> no, my external array is on a pcie card
[11:48] <NET||abuse> ahh, of course
[11:48] <popey> the internal card doesn't do PM
[11:49] <popey> ubuntu server
[11:49] <NET||abuse> yeh, you were saying, so you can't abstract multiple drives
[11:49] <NET||abuse> maybe the internal port can be made more funcational again with bios mods
[11:49] <popey> I'd be very surprised if it can
[11:50] <NET||abuse> hmm, that's true, genearrly you need a true controller to do that really
[11:50] <NET||abuse> interesting redaing the forums though
[11:50] <NET||abuse> alot of coverage on avforums.com
[11:52] <NET||abuse> alroight
[11:52] <NET||abuse> gotta go back to programming, it'll be tomorrow before I get a change to bring in screwdrivers and attach drvies in place
[11:53] <NET||abuse> that said, maybe i need to do this at home, don't have spare monitor in work.
[12:01] <AlanBell> popey: how is the tomato juice?
[12:08] <pinky-> I watched popey's cho cho video yesterday on you tube and it flooded back loads of memories from my childhood as I used to live about a 1000 meters from Alton train station. I used to live on the main road directly opposite the doctors.
[12:09] <pinky-> mumble in the jungle;)
[12:11] <popey> AlanBell, yummy, nearly time for some more
[12:11] <popey> I'd turned the ice machine off for the winter, turned it back on again :)
[12:11] <popey> heh pinky- :)
[12:11] <popey> my kids love steam trains almost as much as me
[12:12] <pinky-> all I remember about the front of the train staion is the greasy spoon cafe and the motorbike shop
[12:12] <pinky-> they still there?
[12:14] <pinky-> popey: I liked your Ubuntu Unity Overview video
[12:15] <pinky-> busy here and I'll be back later
[12:15] <pinky-> bye for now
[12:15] <Flashtek> o/
[12:16] <czajkowski> Laney: oi cheeeky!
[12:16]  * Flashtek is getting paid for sitting on his arse and doing nothing...
[12:17] <Laney> czajkowski: hm?
[12:18] <czajkowski> your G+ posting *if* :)
[12:19] <popey> thank you pinky-
[12:19] <Laney> reality is bad
[12:19]  * Laney is excited for his shiny new PC coming tomorrow
[12:19] <bittin^work> =>
[12:19] <popey> ooh, what you getting?
[12:20]  * Laney is irritated at halifax declining the payment from his CC
[12:20] <Laney> phone call asking to call them back on some 0845 number with some cryptic reference number
[12:20] <Laney> doesn't repeat it, hangs up
[12:21] <Laney> i7-3770k, gtx 670, 32 gb ram, ssd
[12:21] <bittin^work> Laney, nice =)
[12:21] <bittin^work> my i5-2500k, gtx 560, 8gb ram, ssd and hdd starts getting old :(
[12:22] <Laney> heh
[12:22] <Laney> sounds newer than my current PC (4.5 years)
[12:22] <popey> golly!
[12:22] <popey> 32GB RAM!?
[12:22] <Laney> virtualise ALL the machines
[12:22] <popey> aww, cat asleep under my desk
[12:23] <Azelphur> my board is maxed out at 24GB :p
[12:23] <Azelphur> tri channel since I'm on the old i7
[12:24]  * popey wonders how much his mobo will take :)
[12:24] <Laney> my webkit test build just failed with out of memory
[12:25] <popey> oof
[12:25] <Laney> hopefully will be able to build the beast in RAM on the new machine
[12:26] <popey> hmm, mobo not listed on crucial.com/uk :(
[12:27] <popey> dmidecode says MSI MS7680
[12:28] <popey> • Supports two unbuffered DIMM of 1.5 Volt DDR3 1066/1333 DRAM, 16GB Max
[12:42] <popey> Morning bigcalm !
[12:44] <dogmatic69> anyone know if its possible to use inkscape plugins via terminal?
[12:45] <bigcalm> Um, good afternoon popey!
[12:48] <bigcalm> popey: Am I wanted?
[12:50] <popey> nope
[12:50] <bigcalm> Ok, just confused then
[12:50] <christel> way to make a man feel good about himself popey! how very rude
[12:52]  * bigcalm tickles christel then goes back to work
[12:52] <diplo> popey: Love the idea for QR codes on devices, good find..
[12:52]  * diplo adds to list 'to do'
[12:56] <davmor2> bigcalm: Mooooooooooooooo!
[12:56] <davmor2> bigcalm: 'Ow am ya
[12:57] <bigcalm> davmor2: busy, you?
[12:58] <davmor2> bigcalm: enjoying playing breaking the raspberry pi ermmmm well at least the sdcard :D pycon uk
[12:58] <bigcalm> davmor2: which is why you aren't allowed anything nice
[12:59] <davmor2> bigcalm: I got one :P I just want go crazy on the overclock for mine which we think is the issue but they are already trying to fix it
[13:04] <davmor2> won't even
[13:14] <popey> bug 1056814
[13:14] <lubotu3`> Error: Launchpad bug 1056814 could not be found
[13:14] <popey> bah
[13:20] <davmor2> popey: what's up dude and who was the random bug report aimed at
[13:24] <popey> nobody
[13:24] <popey> abusing the bot
[13:58] <Azelphur> has anyone ever seen a project on kickstarter go to release? o.O
[13:58] <Azelphur> It seems like all the cool things on kickstarter never make it and everyone is in limbo
[14:00] <SuperMatt> Azelphur: You only need to look as far as Amanda Palmer, who managed to raise over $1M for her new album
[14:00] <popey> yes
[14:01] <SuperMatt> there are other projects that are close to release
[14:01] <popey> i have received at least one thing from kickstarter
[14:01] <Azelphur> :p
[14:01] <Azelphur> fun
[14:01] <popey> also, cards against humanity
[14:01] <popey> that was a kickstarter, and you can buy that at amazon us
[14:01] <Azelphur> ah
[14:01] <popey> and I know that exists because I've played it ;)
[14:02] <Azelphur> I've been waiting on power laces for so long xD
[14:02] <popey> I have 3 more pending delivery now
[14:02] <Laney> I loooooooooooooove being on hold to ebuyer
[14:02] <popey> they use ubuntu
[14:02] <Azelphur> fun
[14:02] <Laney> constant advertising
[14:03] <popey> advertising to people who are doing something else? that'll never catch on!
[14:05] <Laney> ?!
[14:05] <Laney> I don't really care if it's caught on
[14:15] <dwatkins> popey: I'm still listening to that album you linked on G+ :)
[14:15] <popey> heh, the one from nikki and the robots?
[14:15] <dwatkins> http://cerror.bandcamp.com/ - Rainbow Parade
[14:16]  * xnox 's housemate is English, he just said:"Can we call that bird a parrot, even though it's a massive pigeon!"
[14:16] <dwatkins> ah, could be from that, I didn't see
[14:16] <xnox> dwatkins: are you the dwatkins I think you are, or not?
[14:17] <dwatkins> xnox: that depends who you think I am...
[14:17] <xnox> dwatkins: OddBloke ?!
[14:17] <dwatkins> I am not odd.
[14:17] <dwatkins> I also don't use this nickname elsewhere.
[14:18] <xnox> hm.... Oddbloke is the irc nick name I know one Daniel Watkins.
[14:18] <dwatkins> unless my nephew has discovered IRC at the young age of 12, that's not me nor anyone I know ;)
[14:24] <Darael>  /redraw
[14:24] <dwatkins> ^L
[14:26] <Darael> I had some trouble with a screen-nicklist script on ^L.
[14:26] <Darael> So I've been using /redraw.
[14:26] <Darael> I have no idea why it works better but it does.
[14:27] <dwatkins> I sometimes have redraw problems when there are colours or control characters on screen. I find it's less of an issue if I enable UTF.
[14:42] <Laney> good
[14:42] <Laney> convinced ebuyer and amazon to take payment
[14:42] <Laney> silly fraud prevention
[14:50] <popey> http://gadgetshow.channel5.com/gadget-show/gadget-news/a-49-ipod-touch-killer-sign-us-up
[14:50] <popey> golly
[14:52] <popey> can't see that on amazon
[15:00] <AlanBell> amazingly cheap $thing is not a killer of an amazingly expensive $thing for all values of $thing
[15:01] <AlanBell> does look good though
[15:05] <Azelphur> yea, looks pretty cool
[15:06] <Azelphur> popey: I'd compare it to the matrix one 7 as it's similarly priced
[15:06]  * AlanBell wonders if there are any current tablets that will run Ubuntu yet
[15:07]  * popey ran ubuntu on his
[15:07] <popey> and i saw someone has ported it to the transformer
[15:08] <popey> http://www.xda-developers.com/android/net-install-ubuntu-on-the-transformer-tf101/
[15:08] <Azelphur> cool
[15:09] <Azelphur> Has anyone got NFC payments working in UK on a phone yet? :p
[15:10] <Azelphur> I'm trying to find a way to do it on my SGS3 but all the options seem restricted to not be used by me xD
[15:10] <SuperMatt> I have a question about ubuntu support
[15:11] <SuperMatt> how far does canonical go to support a webserver, for instance. That is, if a paying customer has an issue with apache, will canonical patch it?
[15:13] <AlanBell> http://www.canonical.com/enterprise-services/ubuntu-advantage/support
[15:13] <AlanBell> SuperMatt: depends really I guess, if you report a bug it could lead to stuff being backported to a supported release
[15:14] <SuperMatt> right, ok
[15:14] <SuperMatt> so here's the thing
[15:14] <SuperMatt> how much support would I get from canonical with setting up an nginx server? would be it considerably less than an apache server?
[15:15] <AlanBell> !info nginx
[15:15] <lubotu3`> nginx (source: nginx): small, but very powerful and efficient web server and mail proxy. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.19-1 (precise), package size 6 kB, installed size 84 kB
[15:15] <AlanBell> "In component universe" <- not in main
[15:15] <xnox> AlanBell: and that means nothing ;-)
[15:15] <AlanBell> really?
[15:16] <xnox> SuperMatt: contact ubuntu-advantage support and inquire of level of support offered for your use cases and which web-servers they'd rather support for your case.
[15:16] <SuperMatt> so basically apache would definitely get more support than nginx. OK. That's the answer I need for my documentation.
[15:16] <xnox> SuperMatt: apache is the default in debian and ubuntu, due to features.
[15:17] <xnox> SuperMatt: more often you get better performance with nginx especially with respect to caching static files & serving webapps (php, ruby, python, etc).
[15:18] <SuperMatt> xnox: indeed, it's certainly faster, I'm just wondering if the business is willing to trade speed against support
[15:21] <xnox> SuperMatt: put an enquiry in, and see the response.
[15:40] <pinky-> Mayan Apocalypse Update: http://gizmodo.com/5947845/astronomers-discover-huge-comet-coming-towards-us
[15:42] <xnox> czajkowski: I love your bug 1058364 trianging, does that mean "you lived without that one email since forever, you can live without it further?!" =)))))
[15:42] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 1058364 in Launchpad itself "not getting 'waiting for approval' email when sponsoring syncs when the archive is frozen" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1058364
[15:42] <czajkowski> xnox: it's a it's a nice to have but there is no dev happening but we dont mark things as wishlist
[15:43] <xnox> czajkowski: I see =) I never mastered the "art of politically correctly assigning bug status and priorities"
[15:44]  * xnox gets increasing amount of personal (hate) mail.
[15:44] <czajkowski> I get an increasing amout of people poking me in non work channels over me triaging them so we're even
[15:46]  * xnox meh
[15:50] <Laney> haha :(
[16:05]  * popey adds a dash of sriracha to his tomato juice
[16:11] <MartijnVdS> Tomato juice.. VHY?!
[16:17] <popey> MartijnVdS, yummy
[16:17] <popey> and part of my 5 a day :)
[16:20] <jpds> MartijnVdS: Why not?
[16:20] <MartijnVdS> This is why we invented tomato soup and tomato sauce!
[16:20] <MartijnVdS> so we don't have to drink the juice!
[16:25] <popey> i bought a box of 12 cartons which arrives tomorrow
[16:25] <popey> i still haven't finished the two cartons i bought yesterday!
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> stage blood!
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> it's almost halloween
[16:25] <popey> yeah, as people come trick-or-treating, I'll lob cups of juice over them
[16:25] <czajkowski> ou can make lovely tomatoe soup with tomatoe juice
[16:25] <popey> awesome idea
[16:26] <czajkowski> *you
[16:26] <czajkowski> basil and tomatoe soup with fresh out of the oven hot bread rolls
[16:26] <popey> am enjoying juice + ice + worcester sauce + sriracha
[16:26] <czajkowski> yummy
[16:26] <czajkowski> never heard of sriracha
[16:26] <popey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sriracha_sauce
[16:26] <popey> yummy
[16:26] <popey> makes _everything_ taste _better_
[16:26] <popey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sriracha_%22Rooster_Sauce%22.jpg
[16:27] <czajkowski> do love me a bit of worcester sauce over a fried egg
[16:27] <mgdm> I wonder how long it'll be before you're thoroughly sick of tomato juice, popey ;-)
[16:27] <popey> I give it a week
[16:27] <czajkowski> when he glows red
[16:27] <czajkowski> :)
[16:27] <mgdm> hehe
[16:27]  * popey checks to see if there are any medical side effects
[16:29] <mgdm> there's a mildly unfortunate phrasing in your tweet
[16:29] <mgdm> but anyway
[16:29] <pinky-> next time you pour a bloody mary put a spike in it
[16:30] <popey> oh?
[16:30] <popey> lol
[16:30] <knightwise> eeeevenin
[16:31] <bigcalm> Afternoon
[16:31] <knightwise> hey bigcalm
[16:31] <knightwise> have you tried the Ubuntu webapps preview in 12.04 ?
[16:31] <bigcalm> Nope, I use xubunu-desktop
[16:31] <knightwise> hmm..
[16:32] <bigcalm> Unity does not make me productive
[16:32] <knightwise> i'm trying to install it and i get an error about borken packages
[16:32] <bigcalm> Well, if it's a preview...
[16:32] <knightwise> hmm.. true. I did work a little while ago , but it seems to have a problem with the latest firefox
[16:43] <czajkowski> popey: ^^^
[16:43] <czajkowski> I know he had some issue tday with FF not sure it's that though
[16:44] <popey> knightwise, i dont think those PPAs are well maintained tbh
[16:44] <popey> knightwise, it just about works in 12.10 :D
[16:44] <knightwise> popey: thanx :) i'll just wait with implementing it
[16:44] <knightwise> I realy liked it though
[17:35] <jacobw> i don't like the messaging menu in quantal
[17:37] <jacobw> the new icons are off palete
[17:37] <jacobw> but i quite like that applications are named instead of 'chat' and 'mail'
[19:22] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[19:24] <webpigeon> Evening bigcalm
[19:26] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[19:27] <pr0ph3t> would you be so kind to help me out upgrading to the latest Gnome? I'm running Gnome Shell on Ubuntu 12.04
[19:28] <pr0ph3t> do I need to change PPA?
[19:29] <Darael> If you upgraded since adding the PPA, it will have been disabled, with the result that you're running the version that ships with Precise.
[19:29] <Darael> Otherwise, we can't know if you need to change PPA without knowing what PPA you're using.
[19:30] <Darael> Well, unless the answer is "You can't because something in it clashes with something important in Ubuntu", which I suppose is possible.  I'm not up-to-date on the Gnome situation.  Just applying general knowledge to the question :)
[19:30] <pr0ph3t> I'm using the Precise vanilla PPA
[19:31]  * popey shrugs
[19:31] <Darael> ...I'm not sure that makes sense.  Do you mean the repositories that are active on vanilla Precise?  Those aren't actually PPAs; they're the primary mirrors.
[19:32] <Darael> s/mirrors/archives/ - not that it makes any difference now that pr0ph3t's gone.
[19:33] <pr0ph3t> sorry didn't mean to be rude, just disconnected accidentally
[19:34] <pr0ph3t> oh please popey! Ok I'm not up-to-date on Ubuntu as I should be. So now we talk about primary mirrors
[19:35] <Darael> I meant archives, actually.  My mistake.
[19:35] <popey> i know nothing of gnome shell, sorry.
[19:35] <pr0ph3t> does it still work in a similar way? When I wanted to use beta/daily builds of certain packages I used to change the PPA
[19:36] <pr0ph3t> popey, I just said it because you shrugged
[19:36] <Darael> Um.  A PPA is a small archive of packages hosted on launchpad.  Technically it's a Personal Package Archive.  It's a term usually used to distinguish PPAs from the main archives.  There may be a gnome-shell PPA available for precise; my suggestion would be to log into launchpad and click the "search PPAs" link, then search for gnome-shell.
[19:37] <pr0ph3t> I do not think 3.6 is going to be in Precise, it is in Quetzal though
[19:38] <Darael> It's possible it'll be in precise-backports?  I don't know, but it might be.
[19:39] <pr0ph3t> ok thank you, I'll have a look :-)
[19:40] <popey> jbicha is the guy to ask
[21:41] <Azelphur> seems like giffgaff is nerfing the £10 goodybag :(
[21:45] <mgdm> 'nerfing'?
[21:46] <popey> fancy that
[21:46] <popey> 1. offer too-good-to-be-true deal
[21:46] <Darael> mgdm: Making less ridiculously good.
[21:46] <popey> 2. get loads of customers
[21:46] <popey> 3. shutdown the offer
[21:46] <popey> 4. profit
[21:46] <Azelphur> lol
[21:46] <Azelphur> Darael: it compares with other offerings after the nerf tbh
[21:47] <Azelphur> mgdm: £10 plan gets knocked down to 1GB instead of unlimited, unlimited plan now costs £12
[21:47] <Azelphur> but for £12.90 you can get unlimited from three, and three has better coverage
[21:47] <mgdm> ah
[21:48] <Azelphur> I hear that three has more aggressive anti-tethering measures though, although I'm sure it's nothing I couldn't bypass xD
[21:48] <Azelphur> I imagine bumping up TTL and using a VPN is autowin
[21:48] <Azelphur> mgdm: also, nerfing, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nerf
[21:49] <popey> three has anti-tethering?
[21:49] <Azelphur> popey: someone told me it does
[21:49] <Azelphur> apparently it sends a message to the phone and then forces you to reboot the phone before internet can be used again
[22:57] <dogmatic69> popey: lol, that reply to your twitter was good.
[22:58] <dogmatic69> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[22:58] <popey> :D
[23:02] <brobostigon> good night everyone ,sleep well.


[05:30] <Hew> Bug 589198 I submitted 2 weeks ago is still waiting for a retrace. Does anyone know what's going on?
[05:30] <ubot2> Hew: Bug 589198 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/589198 is private
[06:11] <arcane> I created a crashreport from a Lucid Live USB, but I think that the bug may be a duplicate.
[06:11] <arcane> Should I mark it as duplicate?
[06:11] <arcane> It is currently a private bug report because of the coredump file.
[06:13] <arcane> My bug looks like #527951.  Mine is #596170
[06:15] <arcane> Also #551308 looks like mine
[07:07] <drew212> ddecator: for bug 571035 should i ask the OP for a new set of log files since he is using FF 3.6 and lucid?
[07:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 571035 in firefox-3.5 (Ubuntu) "No sound in Flash videos after hibernate (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/571035
[07:08]  * ddecator looking
[07:09] <drew212> he kindof got offended that i closed his bug, i thought he said he wasn't experiecing the problem anymore =X
[07:09] <nigelb> bug 596170
[07:09] <ubot2> nigelb: Bug 596170 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/596170 is private
[07:11] <nigelb> oh, he quit.  sigh.
[07:13] <drew212> im also going to ask him to try this in konqueror to narrow it down to wether it's actually a FF problem, or if it could be a alsa, kernel, or flash problem =X
[07:13] <ddecator> drew212: it was a different user that said it, but it wasn't a bad call to close it since it seemed to be fixed. i'm trying to think of what the best thing would be to do for that report
[07:14] <drew212> check out comment #2
[07:14] <ddecator> oh, yah, that was just saying he didn't have time to test it, not that it was fixed (not really sure why he said that)
[07:14] <drew212> lol, i see that now =X
[07:15] <drew212> i'm going to apologize =X i feel like a jerk
[07:16] <drew212> ddecator: i think it would be best to get new logs, and have him test it in another browser
[07:16] <ddecator> haha, that's not too bad, i've had people act far worse before. could you potentially test it yourself with different browsers? i usually try to avoid asking users to install new software just to test a bug (such as extra browsers to test it) especially if we can test the issue ourselves
[07:17] <drew212> my hibernate destroys my system afaik =D
[07:17] <drew212> it wont wake up, so i have to kill it
[07:17] <ddecator> well that's not good o.o
[07:17] <drew212> lol, i know, i hate to report it and cause more bug reports, when i wouldn't know how to report it properly
[07:19] <drew212> ddecator: maybe i'm doing something wrong, how do you come out of hibernate? just move the mouse right?
[07:19] <ddecator> hm, well you can ask if he happens to have any other browsers installed that he can test the issue with in order to try and narrow down the issue. i haven't tried hibernate so i'm not sure if it works for me, but i can test in a little while after i've tried to fix FF 3.7 if you want since i can test with flash and html5 video/audio
[07:19] <ddecator> drew212: probably have to close the lid and open it again if you're using a laptop
[07:20] <drew212> desktop =D
[07:20] <ddecator> then i'm not sure, i've never used it :p
[07:20] <drew212> desktop FTW =)
[07:20] <drew212> i'll try, brb
[07:30] <drew212> ddecator: yeah, epic fail, and i had a boot fail, so i had to use my old 9.04 disk to get it to boot, once i used that i could boot from the hard disc =P
[07:32] <ddecator> drew212: whoops...sorry :p
[07:41] <drew212> ddecator: my computer has a bunch of issues, booting is not one of its favorite parts...
[07:41] <drew212> thats why my uptime is huge sometimes...
[07:42] <ddecator> drew212: haha, i just don't turn my comp off so it can fold
[07:46] <drew212> ddecator: yeah, i'm getting up there folding...
[07:46] <drew212> i haven't checked kakko in a while
[07:47] <ddecator> neither have i..
[07:47] <drew212> you're 197 o
[07:47] <drew212> i'm 161
[07:48] <drew212> how many cycles/sec can you run? and how many cores?
[07:49] <ddecator> hm, my PPD has gone down since i've had to do restarts and such with my comp..we can talk specifics in ##folding if you want :p
[10:22] <Kangarooo> im having this problem allways since first time tryd ubuntu but it actually a bug. i just 4 min ago closed tab with flash video and still sound is comming from that video.. to what to report this bug? to flash installer?
[11:11] <tsimpson> Kangarooo: we can't do anything about (adobe) flash bugs, you'll need to report that to adobe and hope they care
[11:14] <Kangarooo> ok tsimpson ill post to adobe page. but maybe its webkit related? couse maybe browser doesnt tell immidiatly that flash tab is closed?
[11:14] <tsimpson> it's possible, but I sometimes get that in FF too
[11:14] <tsimpson> it usually requires me to quite FF and start it again
[11:14] <tsimpson> -e
[11:16] <Kangarooo> FF is using webkit and chrome uses webkit so of course u get that in FF
[11:20] <tsimpson> Kangarooo: no, FF uses gecko
[11:22] <edakiri> Speaking of FF, I'm writing a bug on a SegFault with FF in combination with a java applet.  Can someone remind me what command(s) run the applet independently, without FF, so I can see whether that also crashes?
[11:23] <tsimpson> probably just "java -jar whatever_it_is.jar" (guess)
[11:24] <edakiri> tsimpson: I am thinking of somthing that you feed the html page address.
[11:24] <Kangarooo> tsimpson: oh ok. im getting this flash error i talked about in FF. and thought that ive read somewhere everybrowser uses webkit. ok dont know that. chechink now in chrome and also in chrome i get some delay of sound cutting of after removing flash tab but not so long as FF..
[11:25] <Kangarooo> yes to open jar file thats correct command
[11:25] <tsimpson> chrome is the worst for it, because it runs flash as a separate process
[11:26] <tsimpson> edakiri: javaws?
[11:26] <edakiri> tsimpson: I think not, but I will double check.  perhaps it has been absorbed into javaws
[11:27] <edakiri> What is the new URL for filing a bug with the web interface?
[11:27] <edakiri> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/icedtea6-plugin/+filebug?no-redirect   Did not work.
[11:28] <tsimpson> edakiri: it's openjdk-6, not icedtea6-plugin (it goes by source package, hence the +source)
[11:29] <edakiri> tsimpson: Thanks.  How can I see what the corresponding source package is for a given package?
[11:29] <tsimpson> apt-cache showsrc <package>, look at the top line
[11:30] <tsimpson> or apt-cache showsrc <package> | head -1, if you're lazy
[11:30] <tsimpson> and if you have deb-src lines
[11:33] <tsimpson> there's always http://packages.ubuntu.com/ if all else fails
[11:52] <edakiri> the answer to previous Q: appletviewer
[12:18] <edakiri> what is the URL or link to report bugs about launchpad itself?
[12:22] <edakiri> aha.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug
[15:44] <zus> hello all
[15:47] <bencrisford> zus: hello
[15:48] <zus> hi bencrisford  how are you today?
[15:48] <bencrisford> zus: not bad thanks :) but not sure this is the right channel for chit chat :P #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[15:49] <zus> i know. i was just saying hello being polite, not just loggin in
[15:52] <bencrisford> zus: ok awesome :) sorry if I seemed rude
[15:53] <zus> bencrisford,  you weren't and no worries...
[18:20] <DrKenobi> Hi! I think Bug #390372 status should be 'Won't Fix'.
[18:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 390372 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "default terminal does not have an effect (affects: 1) (heat: 7)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390372
[18:22] <DrKenobi> I don't understand why they set the status to 'Confirmed'
[19:11] <dgtombs> can i get a Won't Fix for bug 363326? thanks
[19:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 363326 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Brightness control doesn't work on Amilo mini UI 3520 (affects: 5) (dups: 1) (heat: 40)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/363326
[20:28] <yofel> DrKenobi: ping pedro when he get's back here, I don't quite understand him either, but maybe he meant that we could still do that ourselves without upstream.
[20:29] <DrKenobi> yofel: ok, i'll do it. thanks!
[22:58] <drew212> ddecator: are you around?
[23:02] <drew212> anyone around to help me debug a bit?
[23:31] <yofel> drew212: debug what?
[23:33] <drew212> in firefox, it shows that i'm running flash 10.0, but in synaptic, it shows im running 10.1
[23:34] <drew212> for bug 592658 i believe the user is experiencing the same problem(although it is unrelated to that specific bug report)
[23:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 592658 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Firefox crashed using java (I suppose...) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/592658
[23:36] <yofel> hm, firefox shows flash as 10.1 here. (Using ffx 3.6.6~hg20100618r34325 from moz-daily-ppa and flash <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1)
[23:36] <drew212> about:config shows differently for me =X
[23:36] <yofel> let me check, I looked in about:plugins
[23:37] <yofel> note: I'm running maverick currently
[23:37] <drew212> i'm running lucid =P
[23:37] <drew212> ill upload a screenshot, where is the easiest place to do that?
[23:37] <yofel> !paste
[23:37] <ubot2> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[23:39] <yofel> lucid does have flash <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> in lucid-updates, so it is there...
[23:40] <drew212> http://imagebin.org/101912
[23:41] <drew212> you can see on the right that my flash player is <IP_ADDRESS> in synaptic, but right under it, it shows shockwave flash 10.0 r22
[23:41] <yofel> stupid question, but did you check if restarting firefox does anything?
[23:41] <drew212> sec
[23:42] <drew212> nope does nothing
[23:44] <drew212> it's not that important, but it makes debugging an issue if FF says it isn't running the latest version and the user has the latest version installed you know?
[23:45] <penguin42> when you just checked did you make sure that it really exited firefox?
[23:45] <drew212> i did a sudo killall firefox-bin
[23:46] <drew212> would that be a full exit?
[23:46] <yofel> drew212: what does 'grep "10_1_53_64" /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so' give you?
[23:46] <drew212> matches
[23:46] <penguin42> what does locate libflashplayer.so say?
[23:46] <yofel> erm, ok, then you do have 10.1 installed
[23:47] <drew212> so i do have a problem? lol
[23:48] <yofel> do what penguin42 said
[23:48] <yofel> it should find 3 files
[23:48] <penguin42> It wouldn't entirely surprise me if the rxx notation is just a different numbering scheme that overlaps with the 10.x.x.x numbering
[23:49] <drew212> it has 4 files
[23:49] <yofel> drew212: do you have a plugin file in ~/.mozilla/plugins?
[23:49] <drew212> http://paste.ubuntu.com/452218/
[23:49] <yofel> flash shows as 10.1 r53 here
[23:50] <yofel> did you copy the file once?
[23:50] <yofel> you shouldn't have one in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[23:50] <drew212> not to my knowledge
[23:51] <yofel> there should be a symlink called flashplugin-alternative.so instead
[23:51] <drew212> thats greek to me =P
[23:52] <yofel> good: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so, bad: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[23:52] <drew212> so how do i fix it?
[23:53] <penguin42> just checking, are you 32 or 64 bit?
[23:53] <drew212> 64
[23:54] <yofel> drew212: first, what does 'locate flashplugin-alternative.so' give you?
[23:54] <penguin42> I seem to remember there is an   nspluginwrapper -l   or the like to list what it thought it's currently pointing to?  (After you did the locate yofel asked for)
[23:54] <yofel> just to make sure they didn't change the packaging between lucid and maverick
[23:55] <yofel> oh, nice one, didn't know that
[23:55] <yofel> nspluginwrapper -l says '  Original plugin: /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so' here
[23:55] <drew212> http://paste.ubuntu.com/452220/ that is what the nsplugin command yeilds
[23:57] <drew212> although, i dont really undestand what we're doing here =P
[23:57] <yofel> that looks right...
[23:57] <yofel> drew212: trying to find out why ffx shows the wrong plugin version?
[23:57] <penguin42> drew212: Did you have a /usr/lib/mozilla/libflashplayer.so ?
[23:57] <yofel> he did
[23:57] <drew212> yes
[23:58] <penguin42> if so then I think it's a question of whether it's using that one or the /usr/lib64/firefox/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so
[23:58] <yofel> what does 'ls -l /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so' give?
[23:58] <drew212> yofel: i know what we're trying to do, but idk what we're doing with these bash commands =P
[23:58] <drew212> http://paste.ubuntu.com/452224/
[23:59] <drew212> yofel: i wish i knew what we were doing =P, i feel so incompetent.
[23:59] <yofel> 2009-02-02 is oviously the old plugin
[23:59] <yofel> well, ls -l gives you a long listing of a file, with permissions, dates etc. (see 'man ls')
[23:59] <drew212> yofel:  didnt you say i shouldnt have that file in mozilla/plugins/*?