[03:58] <micahg> ooh, one more package and I can upload xubuntu-meta for armhf
[08:00] <ochosi> morning everyone
[08:00] <baizon> hi ochosi
[08:01] <ochosi> hi baizon
[08:11] <micahg> about to upload the meta for armhf...
[08:12] <ochosi> what's armhf?
[08:12] <micahg> a new port
[08:12] <micahg> arm with hard float
[08:13] <ochosi> interesting
[08:13] <ochosi> in what devices is that used?
[08:15] <micahg> I think it's usable in most newer arm machines
[08:17] <ochosi> ok
[13:43] <Lectus> Hello! Where can i submit bugs to Xubuntu dev team? I think I found one.
[13:44] <ochosi> generally on launchpad
[13:45] <ochosi> but depending on what part of xubuntu it affects, you might have to redirect it upstream
[13:45] <Lectus> it might be XFCE thing
[13:45] <ochosi> you can also search on launchpad or bugzilla.xfce.org whether a bugreport already exists
[13:45] <ochosi> what's the bug then?
[13:46] <Lectus> when the clock shows a date with accents like á the clock disappears from the panel
[13:46] <Lectus> might be something with unicode support
[13:46] <ochosi> which clock are you using?
[13:46] <ochosi> (there are three plugins for that)
[13:46] <Lectus> the normal clock applet... though I switched to Orage clock and the clock doesn't disappear, but it shows a weird character instead
[13:47] <ochosi> ok, you can also try the datetime-plugin
[13:47] <ochosi> but you might have to install that one first
[13:47] <ochosi> xfce4-datetime-plugin (i think)
[13:47] <Lectus> I'll take a look at it
[13:47] <ochosi> those bugs should definitely be reported to xfce-devs
[13:48] <ochosi> you can also report them in launchpad, but it's better if they get fixed upstream
[13:48] <Lectus> yeah I'll report them because it's something trivial but annoying
[13:49] <ochosi> yes
[21:33] <micahg> mr_pouit: sorry I didn't add the gvfs-backends before uploading the -meta
[21:45] <mr_pouit> micahg: in precise?
[21:45] <micahg> yeah
[21:45] <mr_pouit> I think I did it back then?
[21:45] <mr_pouit> mmh
[21:45] <micahg> haha, that was oneiric, never mind :)
[21:45] <mr_pouit> at least the bug is marked as fix released ;D
[21:45] <mr_pouit> huhu ok


[02:26] <TommyT> here now
[02:42] <TommyT> I suppose you are wondering why I called this meeting.
[02:54] <TommyT> I see NOTHING in the logs for weeks. I'm still not even seeing this, so either there's a delay or the ubuntulog bot is down.
[02:54] <TommyT> I tried talking to the bot and it didn't respond. I thought it used to at least say "Hey I'm a bot" or something.
[02:56] <JonathanD> Hey TommyT
[02:57] <TommyT> howdy
[02:57] <TommyT> I was just checking the logs. REALLY quiet
[02:57] <TommyT> TOO quiet
[03:10] <TommyT> OK now I see the logs. I guess NOBODY has been here much over the past month. I've been having a little chat with ChanServ. r2d2rogers is the "founder" of the channel so I will try to come back when he's around.
[04:38] <TommyT> good night!


[00:04] <wgrant> bdmurray: Not sure how best to fix it, but it certainly won't work now.
[00:04] <bdmurray> wgrant: okay, thanks for looking into it!
[00:04] <wgrant> bdmurray: np
[00:17] <AdamDH> hi, how do I remove this? https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/gcc/trunk I created it a while back by mistake
[00:19] <mwhudson> AdamDH: i can delete it for you, one sec
[00:21] <AdamDH> thankyou mwhudson
[00:21] <mwhudson> AdamDH: it's gone
[00:24] <AdamDH> oh and how do I delete a PPA? I no longer require it https://launchpad.net/~adamhorden/+archive/msp430support
[00:31] <mwhudson> AdamDH: ask a question at answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[00:31] <mwhudson> AdamDH: but don't feel you have to clean up after yourself, you might want it again one day...
[00:36] <AdamDH> mwhudson, ah ok I just prefer to clean up after experimenting with development releases
[00:37] <maxb> Note that once a PPA has had packages in it, it can't be deleted, only disabled
[00:37] <maxb> (Hidden from everyone but the owner)
[00:56] <rickspencer3> hi guys
[00:56] <rickspencer3> is it just me, or is there something odd about this comment:
[00:56] <rickspencer3> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/window-picker-applet/+bug/428676/comments/9
[00:56] <rickspencer3> ;)
[02:31] <meoblast001> hi
[02:31] <meoblast001> i have a question
[02:32] <meoblast001> my project is very new, i think a total of 2 people have a checkout of it, and i'm thinking about changing some things
[02:33] <meoblast001> i'm thinking about making the Bazaar email address be an email address that is at the moment fake, but will later exist (on my server), and then having Launchpad have both this not-yet-existant email address and my real one
[02:33] <meoblast001> is that at all sane?
[02:33] <meoblast001> if not, what problems could arise
[02:35] <cody-somerville> meoblast001, To add an e-mail address to your account, the e-mail address must be valid as you're required to visit a link sent to you at the address to confirm it.
[02:35] <meoblast001> ah, ok
[02:35] <meoblast001> makes sense
[02:36] <meoblast001> my problem is that currently we use personal emails, i wanted to make internal emails
[02:36] <cody-somerville> why?
[02:36] <micahg> meoblast001: why not make a team?
[02:37] <meoblast001> at the moment, i'm technically limited from running an email server, but in the next few months, i will be able to
[02:37] <meoblast001> micahg: i have a team
[02:37] <micahg> can;t you use the team for internal mail?
[02:37] <meoblast001> not sure what you mean
[02:37] <meoblast001> mailing list?
[02:37] <micahg> send mail to the team
[02:38] <micahg> mailing list if you want  an archive of it
[02:38] <meoblast001> we have a mailing list
[02:38] <micahg> I thought a team was a mail alias as well
[02:38] <micahg> is it not?
[02:39] <meoblast001> it is?
[02:39] <micahg> can someone verify?
[02:39] <micahg> kfogel: ^^
[02:42] <maxb> A team can optionally have an associated mailing list, perhaps that's what you're thinking of?
[02:43] <micahg> yeah, wishful thinking on my part, sorry meoblast001
[02:43] <micahg> meoblast001: maybe a second team/ML for internal communications?
[02:43] <maxb> meoblast001: What do you mean "the Bazaar email address" ?
[02:43] <cody-somerville> and why would you need a second team/ml for "internal communications"?
[02:43] <cody-somerville> What are you trying to achieve? What are you trying to do?
[02:44] <meoblast001> micahg: i have a better idea :)
[02:44] <meoblast001> but i need the help of someone else on my project
[02:44] <meoblast001> because my current ISP is rather weird, they have a ton of ports blocked, including the one used for email
[02:45] <poolie> thumper, abentley: on consideration i don't think i like the merge-preview diffs now shown by mps
[02:45] <poolie> this is more gut feel than science :)
[02:45] <meoblast001> if another member on my project is willing to setup a temporary relay system on his server, it might be able to help until i switch ISPs
[02:45] <poolie> the conflict markers just seem like a distraction
[02:47] <abentley> poolie: It's a tradeoff in favour of simplicity.  Otherwise, you have to distinguish between the review diff and the preview diff.
[02:49] <abentley> poolie: And people then have to understand the distinction between them.
[03:01] <spiv> I agree there should be One True Diff.  I'm not sure that necessarily implies showing conflict markers in the diff when there's a conflict.
[03:02] <spiv> I think perhaps it would feel less weird to me if the conflict markers weren't displayed as if they were part of the text, i.e. without the "+" prefix.
[04:41] <jeremyclarke> hey guys I registered a launchpad for part of a website i run a couple years ago
[04:41] <jeremyclarke> but never used it, was just hoping for .po .mo support
[04:41] <jeremyclarke> https://launchpad.net/gvlingua
[04:41] <jeremyclarke> its totally dead and useless, but i can't figure out how to destroy it
[04:42] <jeremyclarke> is there an admin here who can do it?
[05:22] <RenatoSilva> Automatic translation export is committing no changes
[05:22] <RenatoSilva> Only the creation and export date changed
[05:24] <RenatoSilva> Maybe the po is generated by a job, the dates are updated and the export component thinks it has changed, but the changes are irrelevant
[06:25] <bullgard4> During booting I obtain the message: "T43 login: render error detected, EIR: 0x00000010; page table error; PGTBL_ER: 0x000000100; [drm:915_handle_error] *ERROR* EIR stuck: 0x00000010, masking." What project or DEB program package to associate to this error in Launchpad?
[06:28] <wgrant> bullgard4: You probably want #ubuntu-bugs, but 'linux' is probably a good guess for the source package.
[06:31] <bullgard4> wgrant: I doubt that 'linux' is the proper DEB program package because the DEB program package »linux« is not installed on my computer.
[06:34] <wgrant> bullgard4: Launchpad bugs are filed against source packages. The source package for the Linux kernel is 'linux'.
[06:35] <wgrant> You probably have linux-image-* installed, which are binary packages produced from the 'linux' source.
[06:41] <bullgard4> wgrant: Using your explanations I recgnize now that you are probably right, and I will act as you suggested. As the channel #ubuntu-bugs is still asleep, please tell yet me why upgrading my computer to Ubuntu Karmic did not install the packe »linux« automatically?
[06:41] <bullgard4> s/recgnize/recognize/
[06:45] <wgrant> bullgard4: It's a source package, so it is not installable. Only binary packages are.
[06:52] <bullgard4> What about the DEB program package »linux-source«? It is a source package too, but Ubuntu did "install" it automatically (according to the wording of Synaptic).
[08:25] <geser> bullgard4: it's a binary package containing the kernel source files
[08:28] <bullgard4> geser: You call it a "binary" package. What other kinds of packages are there (aside from binary ones)?
[08:31] <geser> bullgard4: the "binary" packages are the .deb files you can install, a "sourc" package is the combination of an .orig.tar.gz, .diff.gz and .dsc file from which the .deb files are built
[08:32] <geser> (and then there are some specialized .debs but one usually don't use them directly)
[08:50] <lool> Hey
[08:51] <lool> I got my first spam comment on launchpad this morning  :)
[08:51] <lool> https://bugs.launchpad.net/window-picker-applet/+bug/428676/comments/9
[08:52] <lool> same comment in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi/+bug/332365/comments/12
[08:52] <lool> Basically all first 5 bugs on https://bugs.launchpad.net/~cimi?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_pa ...
[08:52] <lool> ... ckage=
[08:52] <lool> Well on the most recently changed list of bugs of that person
[09:04] <jml> good morning Launchpad
[09:09] <Ursinha> good morning jml
[09:10] <jml> Ursinha, bom dia!
[09:11] <Ursinha> jml, :D
[09:11] <spiv> jml: 'ullo gov!
[09:11] <jml> spiv, hi :)
[09:12] <jml> Ursinha, isn't it a little early in SP?
[09:12] <spiv> jml: you're missing all the fun Sydney weather
[09:12] <Ursinha> jml, indeed it is, but I'm sprinting in Belgrade right now :)
[09:13] <spiv> jml: it hailed the afternoon you flew out, and again this afternoon, and of course the duststorm.
[09:13] <maek0> I love the new look of launchpad .. looks very professional
[09:14] <jml> spiv, my comings and goings herald the apocalypse.
[09:14] <spiv> :)
[09:16] <spiv> On a vaguely apocalyptic note I read _American Gods_ over the long weekend and was faintly disappointed.  I realised after a while that it's mainly because it's not _Infinite Jest_.  I'm not sure what to do about that.  Keep reading stuff, I guess.
[09:16] <lool> Hmm I cant find the link to bug history in bugs; is it gone?
[09:17] <spiv> lool: Hmm, I don't see it either, but you can add /+activity to the bug to see it I guess
[09:18] <spiv> lool: I think now that most (all?) changes are shown inline with the comments it's probably not so necessary.
[09:20] <maxb> spiv: I disagree, and have said so in the bug
[09:20] <lool> spiv: The dup/undup activities aren't
[09:21] <spiv> Ah, that's unfortunate.
[09:21] <lool> spiv: Thanks, I couldn't remember activity, was trying history and changes etc.
[09:22] <wgrant> spiv: s/most/a very restricted subset/
[09:23] <spiv> wgrant: well, I took a quick look at a (moderately simple) bug before saying that, and everything in +activity was already expressed on the main page.
[09:24] <spiv> So the common stuff like status changes and adding of attachments at least seem to be there.
[09:24] <wgrant> Bug 436818
[09:24] <spiv> wgrant: ta
[09:25] <wgrant> So yes, most of the common minor changes are there.
[09:25] <wgrant> But the apocalyptic ones are not.
[09:27] <spiv> wgrant: I dunno, having a bug marked Invalid always seems pretty apocalyptic ;)
[09:34] <sproaty> is there anyway to hide a download from a release? without deleting it
[09:34] <wgrant> sproaty: Sadly not.
[09:35] <sproaty> means I reset my download count every new version :(
[10:05] <Mez> ok, this is a little confusing...
[10:06] <Mez>  lp:scrumpy  - Scrumpy Developers  Change branch
[10:06] <Mez> 11 revisions, 31 in the past month.
[10:10] <wgrant> Mez: Where do you se that stat?
[10:14] <wgrant> Ah, there.
[10:15] <wgrant> The 31 is across all branches in the project.
[10:16] <wgrant> Hm.
[10:16] <wgrant> But that shouldn't actually work, as there's a typo.
[10:16] <wgrant> So the 31 is completely wrong.
[10:16] <wgrant> (it's the default in the template)
[10:16] <wgrant> Mez: ^^
[10:30] <bullgard4> dmesg reports: "usb usb2: root hub lost power or was reset." Where (what package) should I associate a Launchpad bug report to? (This error did not appear in Jaunty.)
[10:30] <wgrant> bullgard4: linux again.
[10:31] <bullgard4> wgrant: Can you explain why to »linux«? It seems to me rather far-fetched.
[10:33] <LarstiQ> bullgard4: hardware -> kernel?
[10:33] <LarstiQ> seems obvious to me
[10:33] <wgrant> It's a message related to the hardware that is generated by the kernel.
[10:33] <bullgard4> LarstiQ: Yes, it is a kernel phenomenon (error).
[10:34] <wgrant> It seems like it's probably a kernel issue.
[10:34] <bullgard4> wgrant: Thank you for explaining.
[10:56] <bullgard4> I have started to compile a Launchpad bug report. This process is not yet finished. During this process I notice that the headline of my Launchpad bug report is not precise enough. Can I change the headline yet?
[11:06] <intellectronica> bullgard4: yes, you can change the bug summary by clicking the yellow edit icon to the right
[11:07] <bullgard4> intellectronica: Before submitting my bug report, or after?
[11:08] <intellectronica> bullgard4: that's for an existing bug report. of course you can always change it before submitting just by editing the field
[11:14] <bullgard4> intellectronica: I cannot find "the yellow edit icon to the right" in my bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/444428. In what line is it?
[11:15] <intellectronica> bullgard4: just next to the bug title, on the right
[11:16] <bullgard4> intellectronica: Excellent! --  Thank you very much.
[11:26] <eagles0513875> hey guys how do i remove blueprints i have created
[11:28] <intellectronica> eagles0513875: you mark them as obsolete
[11:28] <intellectronica> that is, you can't delete them, only indicate that they're obsolete
[11:28] <eagles0513875> where exactly do i do that
[11:30] <eagles0513875> i found it
[11:46] <eagles0513875> how do i delete a project that i created?
[11:49] <intellectronica> eagles0513875: we don't usually delete projects from launchpad unless there's a really good reason (project is bogus, illegal, or something like that). if you'd like to get a project deleted, file a question and an admin will take a look at it
[11:50] <eagles0513875> its one i created that didnt materialize but am going to setup another one that ill start working on asap
[12:10] <al-maisan> mrevell: please remind me about the location of the CHR instruction/FAQ pages.
[12:12] <jml> al-maisan, http://wiki.canonical.com/Launchpad/CommunityHelpRotation
[12:12] <salty-horse> hi. is this spam? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-96/+bug/251107/comments/221 -- the user seems legit
[12:14] <mrevell> thanks jml
[12:15] <salty-horse> never mind about that spam. the account was compromised for a short time
[12:15] <al-maisan> jml: thank you.
[12:44] <salty-horse> any launchpad admin around?
[12:44] <rodrigo_> is bzr broken? I get this on all branches I've tried to 'get':
[12:44] <rodrigo_> bzr: ERROR: exceptions.ValueError: unknown object type identifier 60
[12:44] <rodrigo_> *** Bazaar has encountered an internal error.  This probably indicates a
[12:44] <rodrigo_>     bug in Bazaar.  You can help us fix it by filing a bug report at
[12:44] <rodrigo_>         https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+filebug
[12:44] <rodrigo_>     attaching the crash file
[12:44] <rodrigo_>         /home/rodrigo/.cache/crash/bzr-20091006114259-25475.crash
[12:44] <rodrigo_>     and including a description of the problem.
[12:44] <rodrigo_>     The crash file is plain text and you can inspect or edit it to remove
[12:44] <rodrigo_>     private information.
[12:44] <rodrigo_> should I file the bug, or is it already known?
[12:45] <beuno> rodrigo_, I don't think it's a known issue
[12:45] <beuno> care to pastebin /home/rodrigo/.cache/crash/bzr-20091006114259-25475.crash?
[12:46] <lifeless> its a known issue
[12:46] <spiv> rodrigo_: it's bug 427736
[12:46]  * lifeless high fives spiv
[12:46] <spiv> rodrigo_: fixed in current bzr trunk; there are workarounds given in the bug comments
[12:46] <rodrigo_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/286905/
[12:46] <rodrigo_> spiv: ah, ok
[12:47] <spiv> Hmm, the bug title is a bit wrong.
[12:47] <lifeless> spiv: want to make the fix a priority for mwhudson to get cp'd ?
[12:47] <spiv> lifeless: it's a client-side issue, actually
[12:47] <spiv> Hence my comment about the bug title; fixing that now.
[12:47] <lifeless> spiv: ah, urk.
[12:48] <lifeless> I didn't catch that, and I read your patch n all :P
[12:48] <lifeless> spiv: should we push 2.0.1 forwawrd?
[12:48] <spiv> The fix was in remote.py :P
[12:49] <spiv> Perhaps, what's the schedule for 2.0.1?
[12:49] <spiv> There's a paramiko fix in the 2.0 branch that would be nice to have in a release too.
[12:50] <spiv> rodrigo_: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/427736/comments/9 is the comment with the workarounds
[13:23] <rodrigo_> can I import a git branch into LP?
[13:24] <rodrigo_> seems it says only master will get imported
[13:25] <wgrant> rodrigo_: Unfortunately you can only import master at the moment.
[13:26] <rodrigo_> wgrant: so, I am importing a couple of proects from GNOME's git, and using LP for code reviews
[13:27] <rodrigo_> but now I've branched GNOME's git modules, so what can I do to keep the remote branch for code reviews?
[13:27] <rodrigo_> I am about to land big changes in git master, and don't want that in the karmic version
[13:27] <wgrant> I don't know, sorry.
[13:27] <rodrigo_> ok
[14:12] <mrevell> jml: ping?
[14:12] <jml> mrevell, pong. on the phone.
[14:22] <jml> mrevell-lunch, back.
[17:00] <abc_> hi frnds i one problem using ubuntu is anybdy der to help me?
[17:00] <Guest73669> hi frnds i one problem using ubuntu is anybdy der to help me?
[17:02] <ulysses__> probably
[17:02] <al-maisan> Guest73669: try #ubuntu, this channel is for issues related to the launchpad system.
[17:06] <al-maisan> Guest73669: Questions about Ubuntu can also be asked at https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu or http://ubuntuforurm.org.
[17:45] <rowinggolfer__> I've installed karmic. Previously using jaunty. Do I need to regenerate the ssh key I use for Launchpad?
[17:45] <rowinggolfer__> or can I simply move the .ssh folder across?
[17:52] <beuno-lunch> rowinggolfer__, move your .ssh across
[17:53] <rowinggolfer__> beuno-lunch, thanks.
[17:57] <rowinggolfer__> beuno-lunch, thanks... that worked.
[17:58] <rowinggolfer__> I can't bear to leave karmic.
[17:58] <rowinggolfer__> it's absolutely bloody marvellous.
[17:58] <rowinggolfer__> machine is running markedly cooler.
[17:59] <rowinggolfer__> and my rf switch works for the first time.
[17:59] <rowinggolfer__> (under linux)
[17:59] <beuno-lunch> rowinggolfer__, yeah, it's going to be an amazing release
[18:05] <mrevell> night all
[18:33] <slacker_nl>  /part
[19:35] <stefanlsd> hihi. is anyone please able to help me debugging some output im getting back from a lp api call. http://paste.ubuntu.com/287181/  is pretty much my request and my result. im expecting 3 values back, but only get 2
[20:30] <geser> stefanlsd: I've tried this on egde (have no auth token for staging) and I get three results
[20:38] <stefanlsd> geser: thanks. kees helped me debug, he also gets 3. it must be something in my code then. thanks for your time :)


[22:27] <pleia2> jose: ugh, those comments x_x
[22:28] <pleia2> I'm just going to approve them, whatever
[22:37] <pleia2> doc sent off to summary writers
[23:37] <jose> pleia2: yeah. I was reluctant to, but well