[05:22] <Guest26853> Einen guten Morgen aus Germany Munich-Ich bin Neu hier,und habe getestet Ubuntu Mate. By by
[08:36] <serialnuts> Hi is there a way to aligh the screens manually instead of using the Display Settings on MATE. I'm having difficulty aligning threee screens (one horizontal middle screen and two vertical on each side)
[08:39] <serialnuts> Right now it looks like this and I cannot put them in a (tie-fighter like formation) http://imgur.com/a/j6Up6
[08:43] <alkisg> xrandr --output VGA-1 --right-of HDMI-1 etcetc
[08:43] <alkisg> You can do it with xrandr commands
[08:47] <serialnuts> Thanks I'll look it up and try it thanks alkisg
[09:21] <janbanan> I have 2 computers that I want to connect to each other PC1 have windows 10 PC2 have Ubuntu MATE.  PC2 finds shares on PC1 but not vice versa. I guess its because samba don't have user / password set up for PC. Question is since Ubuntu mate have Caja (as the graphical windows noob I am) what do I do ? Tried installing samba and pc says all files in
[09:21] <janbanan> stalled and up to date
[09:41] <serialnuts> janbanan, are you sharing anything from the MATE computer?
[09:49] <janbanan> I'm saying that I think I have to do some black voodo in some config file on the MATE computer yes
[09:51] <janbanan> I have set up shared folders on both computer and the Idea was to migrate files from the windows computer to the MAte computer. So far I can read the files on the windows computer
[10:04] <janbanan> clue here is that im trying to set up user / password for the windows computer for samba. And it seems samba are not installed or missing files. But when I try install samba it says its already installed
[10:06] <janbanan> and yea I know my english is crap
[10:09] <alkisg> janbanan: I think you need to install the caja-share package
[10:09] <janbanan> already did
[10:09] <alkisg> So then there's a "Sharing options" menu
[10:09] <alkisg> And if you go there, do you get an error message?
[10:11] <alkisg> (I mean, caja => right click on folder => sharing options)
[10:12] <janbanan> all seems fine in MATE, but I think I need set up a user with password in Samba for the windows 10 pc. Because when I try connect to the the shared folders on MATe comp I just get an error message
[10:12] <palasso> Hi alkisg, I got news from yesterdays issue I had with hardware accelaration of video playback on VLC on a RPi 2. So this time I enabled OpemMAX IL and also disabled window decorations. This means when I open a video file it plays smoothly but it's full screen and without any controls from VLC. I'm wondering if you were able to get any controls (GUI) when you were using the RPi 2 like that
[10:13] <alkisg> palasso: in general, i'm using marco --no-composite, while i think than now rpi3 defaults to compton or something
[10:13] <alkisg> try running: marco --no-composite --replace
[10:13] <alkisg> And see if it works for you
[10:14] <palasso> Ok I'll try it out
[10:14] <alkisg> janbanan: can you connect to your share from ubuntu? like, from the same mate pc that the share is?
[10:15] <janbanan> yes
[10:15] <alkisg> ok then it sounds like a windows issue indeed...
[10:16] <janbanan> yep
[10:16] <alkisg> janbanan: see this topic, the reply just before the last one: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/sharing-folders-on-windows-network/2644/4
[10:17] <janbanan> thanks
[10:34] <palasso> alkisg: with no composite it will go to full-screen with no controls. with composite and disabling window decorations in VLC (it's a VLC setting in the video section) it will also do the same. With compositing and without disabling the window decorations it won't play the video, only the audio
[10:34] <palasso> btw it's a RPi 2
[10:35] <alkisg> palasso: that's all the knowledge I have on the issue; as I said, rpi2 was so lame that i ditched it and I'm using x86-based clients now... 50 times faster with the same $$
[10:36] <palasso> alkisg: when you had the rpi2 were you able to produce smooth video playback WITH controls from VLC or was it just a full-screen video playback with no controls?
[10:36] <palasso> I suspect it might not be possible to have both controls and smooth playback in Ubuntu-MATE
[10:36] <alkisg> I think it was a full screen video, and the controls worked with the keyboard as long as the vlc window (which has behind) had thefocus
[10:36] <alkisg> Not in ubuntu-mate, but in rpi :)
[10:37] <palasso> That's exactly the case I'm at it right now
[10:37] <alkisg> It's not a problem with the os, but with the hardware...
[10:37] <alkisg> Just throw it away
[10:37] <palasso> And yeah in RPi. I may return to OpenELEC since I could have smooth playback with controls
[10:38] <palasso> I won't throw it away, I can already use it for small things and it's the only ARM device I got other than android phones and tablets
[10:38] <palasso> As a matter of fact I may buy at some point a newer RPi so that I have an AArch64 CPU
[10:39] <alkisg> Whatever you like; me, I'll keep warning users that rpi's are not good enough to be used for desktop tasks
[10:39] <palasso> Yeah totally agree with you
[10:39] <alkisg> rpi3 is 30% faster than rpi2, i3 is 5000% faster than rpi2
[10:40] <palasso> Yeah ikr
[10:40] <palasso> And you get USB 3 and gigabit ethernet etc.
[10:40] <palasso> proper SATA ports with proper SSDs etc.
[10:40] <alkisg> And no need for gpu-based decoding
[10:40] <alkisg> I.e. special programs to play video, youtube etc
[10:40] <alkisg> You can just use the normal code for whatever needs gpu acceleration
[10:41] <palasso> Yeah what you say is true but a RPi is quite cheap and having a AArch64 CPU for experimenting on stuff is good
[10:41] <alkisg> it's no cheaper than all those amd64 tv boxes with intel atom and 2 gb ram
[10:41] <palasso> I will probably buy one when most distros start releasing 64-bit binaries
[10:42] <alkisg> Those cost like 60€, same as an rpi3 with all the other stuff that's needed
[10:42] <palasso> Yeah it's no cheaper, probably it has better power consumption though
[10:42] <alkisg> I don't think so, latest intel cpus are better than arm in power consumption
[10:42] <palasso> That being said I used the RPi2 with openELEC and I can say it can work for video playback. So it can do things
[10:43] <alkisg> Sure, if you develop a whole lot of applications especially for this
[10:43] <alkisg> I could playback video in my ancient pentium 3 as well though that way
[10:43] <alkisg> Or even in my 486
[10:43] <palasso> For the CPU power you get you probably got better power consumption but if your CPU idles all the time it's more power efficient to get an ARM CPU
[10:43] <alkisg> True, if you don't want a desktop then rpi might be a good choice
[10:43] <alkisg> But desktops need cpu
[10:44] <palasso> Really? 1080p h.264 video on a Pentium 3?
[10:44] <alkisg> Sure, with a gpu
[10:44] <palasso> Ahhh that's the catch ;)
[10:44] <alkisg> That's the catch with rpi too
[10:44] <alkisg> Special programming that offloads things to the gpu
[10:45] <palasso> Yeah I replaced the openELEC with Ubuntu-MATE to be used still as a video playback machine but also have windows and additional features in the rare cases they're needed. Not for active desktop usage.
[10:45] <alkisg> I tried openelec and a few other distros before ditching rpi
[10:45] <alkisg> It was just not worth it, any 20€ android based tv box was better
[10:46] <palasso> And that's why I focused on smooth video playback. Because if I can get this to work I can keep Ubuntu-MATE and then I get to have the additional programs when they're rarely needed.
[10:46] <alkisg> So no rpi isn't good as a media player either
[10:46] <alkisg> If you tell me that it's good for *non* desktop and *non* media player usage, I could believe you, but not for those 2 use cases
[10:46] <palasso> Yeah, I even thought of it as a small NAS but having only USB 2 ports it's not good on that respect either
[10:47] <alkisg> Trying to find a use case for the rpi made my head hurt, until I decided that it wasn't a problem with me not finding a solution but with me getting an rpi in the first place :)
[10:48] <alkisg> Nowadays I only use it for VNC'ing to other computers
[10:48] <palasso> Basically I bought it to have it as a device for doing multiple low-resource usage things that might be needed to be open 24/7. I was thinking a small NAS with a torrent client and maybe run nextCloud and a few other things but with light usage
[10:49] <palasso> I might replace it with a RPi 4 or something like that if it'd come with at least USB 3.0. It'd be more powerful than that and I'd be able to do those stuff I've been wanting while keep it open 24/7
[10:51] <palasso> If I won't succeed to get controls with smooth video playback next distro I'll try out will be OpenMediaVault
[13:13] <madarchodscammer> hello
[14:44] <pedrobrandao> hello guys
[15:35] <ilkka__> Hello, is there a way to lock screen with keyboard?
[16:29] <tgm4883> Using 16.04, I've changed my background and login screen background, but the lock screen background is still using the default one. How do I change that?
[22:52] <eightfold> h there
[22:53] <eightfold> when i connect an external monitor (with a higher resolution) and then disconnect it again, my clock etc disappears from the top panel
[22:54] <eightfold> also, the "spaces" disappears from the bottom panel
[22:54] <eightfold> ie. anything that is outside the lower resolution of the laptop monitor disappears
[22:54] <eightfold> clues?


[00:05] <fazer> balloons, can you take a look at my task? https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5634281732833280/?sp-page=1
[00:05] <fazer> also, balloons, who are top 10 right now?
[00:08] <balloons> fazer, I could run the list agian
[00:09] <balloons> fazer 1) MatthewAllen: 37 tasks. 2) malevasquez: 30 tasks. 3) Girish Rawat: 22 tasks. 4) Alex Dueppen: 20 tasks. 5) Aditya: 18 tasks. 6) xcub: 13 tasks. 7) fazerlicourice71256: 10 tasks. 8) McIntireEvan: 9 tasks. 9) Ayush: 7 tasks. 10) Hunter Jarrell: 7 tasks.
[00:10] <fazer> balloons, thanks
[00:12] <balloons> fazer, did you test brasero or empathy?
[00:14] <fazer> balloons, I did brasero I remember doing empathy. If that's the messaging one then I did that.
[00:14] <fazer> yup, I did it
[00:15] <balloons> fazer, I ask because it's no longer default -- did you install it?
[00:15] <fazer> empathy was already installed. brasero I did install.
[00:16] <balloons> ack. ty
[00:16] <balloons> it's going away, along with brasero and the current software center
[00:16] <balloons> well, I mean, installed by default, hah!
[00:18] <fazer> balloons, thunderbird was also not installed by default, fyi.
[00:19] <balloons> really? That should be
[07:15] <Kamran_> Is any one online at IRC..
[07:16] <MatthewAllen2> Kamran, I'm not a mentor but I can try to help
[07:17] <Kamran_> I want the pdf copy of my task documentation as i am not able to download  it for web......Error  404
[07:18] <MatthewAllen2> is this for the Xubuntu docs?
[07:18] <Kamran_> Yes ...
[07:20] <Kamran_> Is any one there.....
[07:20] <MatthewAllen2> Unfortunatly there's nothing I can do about that, the issue is known but likely won't be fixed for a while. So you may have to make do with the web version
[07:20] <Kamran_> For me web is a bit pricey. ..
[07:21] <Kamran_> If possible  can you sir please pass this to my mentor. .
[07:21] <MatthewAllen2> The mentor is away at the moment, but I'm sure they can help you when they're bacl
[07:21] <MatthewAllen2> knome, ^
[07:22] <Kamran_> Can you sir please pass on  to him
[07:23] <MatthewAllen2> I've found a cached version of the PDF not sure what date is was published though
[07:23] <MatthewAllen2> http://docs.xubuntu.org/1510/C/xubuntu-documentation-A4.pdf
[07:24] <MatthewAllen2> Kamran, disregard that - that's not the right docs
[07:24] <Kamran_> It got downloaded it would be  enough easy for me to go through  it
[07:24] <Kamran_> Thanks
[07:24] <MatthewAllen2> Ignore that docs - It's not the correct one
[07:24] <Kamran_> Sorry
[07:24] <MatthewAllen2> You're just going to have to wait for your mentor (I've notified them)
[07:26] <Kamran_> Sir what ccan you say about my work  at gci...
[07:32] <Kamran_> Is anyone online. ....
[07:36] <Kamran_> Is anyone online. .....
[07:36] <MatthewAllen2> What about your work?
[07:37] <Kamran_> The quantity of my work
[07:37] <MatthewAllen2> I'm confused as to what you're trying to find out...
[07:37] <Kamran_> My recommendation to be a winner. ..
[07:38] <MatthewAllen2> I have absoulutly no idea, not a mentor so I can't see any of your tasks.
[07:38] <MatthewAllen2> the top 3 are at like 37 tasks, then 30ish, then 20ish]
[07:38] <Kamran_> Sorry....
[07:39] <Kamran_> Since i have just done 4 complete so no chance of being a winner
[07:40] <MatthewAllen2> to be considered I believe it's top 10, which is 7 tasks atm.
[07:41] <Kamran_> Since the faq of gci i found the lowest is 5 tasks...so as can be a winner
[07:42] <MatthewAllen2> https://developers.google.com/open-source/gci/resources/contest-rules?hl=en
[07:42] <MatthewAllen2> Under 5.2
[07:43] <Kamran_> So i may  not be able to win
[07:44] <Kamran_> I heared about it on 6th jan...
[07:45] <MatthewAllen2> Ahh, that sucks - I can't say anything for sure (fellow student) but it's probally not likely for you to make the finalists unless you get into the Top 10 of tasks completed
[07:46] <Kamran_> I belief the term sucks is a foul language. ..
[07:47] <Kamran_> Thanks a lot let me wait for my mentor . By when he would be omline......
[07:47] <Kamran_> I am sorry for last comment  but a our place it is called as so
[07:48] <MatthewAllen2> Not sure, probally not for a while just because of time zones
[07:49] <Kamran_> May i have his email. ...
[07:56] <Kamran_> Is anyone online. ..
[10:38] <bigspacely> Hello. I need help building the DocViewer app for Ubuntu
[18:48] <balloons> Good morning all
[20:53] <tsimonq2> hey balloons how are you?
[20:56] <balloons> tsimonq2, scattered, hah
[21:02] <tsimonq2> balloons: well get unscattered :D
[23:23] <fazer> ahayzen, any ap tests you can think of off the top of your head? Preferably in an app that already has some tests.
[23:23] <fazer> ahayzen, correction: needed ap tests
[23:24] <ahayzen> fazer, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps/+bugs?field.tag=needs-autopilot-test shows you all the ones for the coreapps
[23:24] <fazer> cool thanks.
[23:25] <ahayzen> fazer, check the age of the bug report for some of them, as they may not still be valid :-) and balloons may know of others
[23:25] <fazer> alright, thanks for the heads up
[23:26] <ahayzen> balloons, didn't you have a dashboard linked up to the needs-autopilot-test tag ? or am i imagining things ?
[23:27] <ahayzen> ah this one maybe? http://people.canonical.com/~nskaggs/core-apps-test-sponsoring.html


[15:16] <scottmmjackson> I'm having a curious issue on Ubuntu 14.04 using upstart to spawn a service that subsequently spawns child processes using `su`. Specifically on Ubuntu 14.04, for some reason, `systemd-logind` is sending SIGHUP to any spawned child. Aside from being confused by seeing `systemd-logind` on the default ubuntu14 box where `init` is `upstart`, I'm also a bit baffled by why systemd-logind is sniping my
[15:17] <scottmmjackson> service's children with HUP.
[15:18] <scottmmjackson> I've regressed this on Ubuntu 12 and the bug isn't there, which just raises further questions.
[16:06] <xnox> systemd-logind is normal, as we have moved to that from consolekit
[16:08] <xnox> scottmmjackson, why are you using su, instead of using setgid/setuid stanzas? http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#setgid
[16:08] <xnox> systemd-logind in this case is just the daemon for session management / reconcilation
[16:24] <scottmmjackson> xnox: su isn't being used in the exec stanza. the parent process is exec'd directly. Its child processes are being forked and calling pam_open_session.
[16:24] <scottmmjackson> The service of which is `su`
[16:24] <scottmmjackson> sorry for the confusion
[16:26] <scottmmjackson> Ironically, however, if the exec line is written like the session-init.conf as listed in this part of the cookbook, forking works just fine: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#non-graphical-sessions-ubuntu-specific
[16:26] <scottmmjackson> Which uses su directly.
[16:28] <scottmmjackson> So there's a fix- wrap it in `/bin/su` like the cookbook says. But I don't feel great not grokking what conditions cause `systemd-logind` to behave this way.


[02:06] <tyche> beuno: Do you have admin privelages on the Fridge?  UWN #118 is waiting for approval.
[06:25] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: morning, are you there?
[06:44] <boredandblogging> highvoltage: hello
[06:46] <boredandblogging> highvoltage: can we come up with a better title for your release parties story?
[06:46] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: absolutely
[06:47] <boredandblogging> and probably the first couple of sentences on the post
[06:48] <boredandblogging> maybe something more upbeat?
[06:48] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: yes, I was thinking the same thing
[06:48] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: I was bothering you more for full html at this stage :)
[06:49] <boredandblogging> highvoltage: done
[06:49] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: I'm struggling a bit with what spin I should give it thoug. any ideas?
[06:49] <highvoltage> (title suggestion would already be cool)
[06:50] <boredandblogging> "New and Growing LoCos"
[06:50] <boredandblogging> ?
[06:50] <boredandblogging> for title
[06:51] <highvoltage> ok, that would work. people might think that that implies that both are new, even though the iranian team is about 2 years old
[06:51]  * highvoltage changes
[06:52] <boredandblogging> maybe talk about -zw first, then Iran?
[06:52] <highvoltage> ok
[06:53] <boredandblogging> how about "With Ubuntu 8.10 out the door, LoCos all over the world have been celebrating the release. Earlier this month..."
[06:53] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: I clicked on "preview" and it says "Access Denied"
[06:54] <boredandblogging> can you submit?
[06:54] <highvoltage> I have to preview first before submite, I think
[06:54] <highvoltage> trying again..
[06:54] <highvoltage> no there's just a preview and delete button
[06:54] <boredandblogging> hold on
[06:55] <boredandblogging> i switched it back to filtered html, try now
[06:55] <boredandblogging> thats a bug
[06:55] <boredandblogging> I'll email Rinchen about it
[06:55] <boredandblogging> think we had the same issue last time, right?
[06:56] <highvoltage> "This content has been modified by another user, changes cannot be saved."
[06:57] <highvoltage> I think we had a similar issue last time, although last time you fixed it quite quickly
[06:57] <boredandblogging> gah
[06:57] <boredandblogging> ok
[06:59] <boredandblogging> let me make the changes real quick
[06:59] <highvoltage> ok, can I post my version for you somewhere?
[06:59] <highvoltage> here it is, fwiw, http://paste.ubuntu.com/76286/
[07:02] <boredandblogging> highvoltage: take a look now
[07:03] <highvoltage> oops, that second zim photo is the wrong one- it's too big
[07:03] <boredandblogging> got a link to the right size?
[07:04] <highvoltage> ok my edit button for that post is gon entirely, I'll just upload the right size pic quickly
[07:04] <boredandblogging> ok
[07:05] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: http://jonathancarter.co.za/files/temp/ubuntu-zw-braai.jpg
[07:05] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: can you put a space between the two images for each post too?
[07:09] <boredandblogging> let me upload the pic
[07:10] <boredandblogging> highvoltage: look now
[07:11] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: that looks about right
[07:11] <highvoltage> I wish I had better writing skills though :(
[07:11] <highvoltage> at least that gets the message across.
[07:11] <boredandblogging> gonna do a bit of editing
[07:11] <highvoltage> ok thanks a lot
[07:20] <boredandblogging> highvoltage: take one last look before I publish
[07:24] <highvoltage> ok
[07:26] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: it looks ok!
[07:27] <boredandblogging> excellent, posted
[07:27] <boredandblogging> highvoltage: good job
[07:27] <highvoltage> thanks :)
[07:27] <highvoltage> my writing should improve over time. it's one of the reasons I started blogging and doign stuff like this. your guidance is much appreciated!
[07:28] <highvoltage> I just wish there was more freaky stuff to write about :)
[07:28] <boredandblogging> lol
[07:29] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: have you seen the posts on the -devel lists about getting more devel news on the fridge?
[07:29] <boredandblogging> yes...
[07:30] <highvoltage> I'm all for it, but I strongly feel that it should be worded in such a way that someone who isn't an active ubuntu developer can easily understand it.
[07:30] <highvoltage> there's lots of ubuntu-specific acronyms, and it would be a shame if a debian developer, for example, would even have trouble following it
[07:31] <boredandblogging> yeah, posting something the debian developer news would be unhelpful
[07:31] <highvoltage> so I think there should at the very least be links to wiki pages from the abbreviations and terms that are used
[07:31] <boredandblogging> svaksha actually posted to the -news-team list about it
[07:31] <boredandblogging> and I had replied to that
[07:31] <highvoltage> if the news entries become too specific and if only a few people can understand it, then the fridge loses its "news for human beings" value
[07:32] <boredandblogging> agreed
[07:32] <highvoltage> ok cool, I tried to subscribe to the -news-team but it doesn't seem like it was successful
[07:32]  * highvoltage tries again
[07:32] <svaksha> boredandblogging: only one relpy *sigh* is that a sign ? that people dont want it?
[07:33] <boredandblogging> svaksha: unfortunately I think people don't care
[07:33]  * svaksha likes dev-related stuff but thinks people like generic stuff
[07:33]  * svaksha nods
[07:33] <highvoltage> what do you mean don't want it?
[07:33] <boredandblogging> my main worry is that if they can't dumb it down a bit, readers will just ignore it and move on
[07:34] <highvoltage> *nod*
[07:34] <svaksha> highvoltage: i meant they dont seek technical details
[07:34] <highvoltage> it would have to be scaled down to generic terms and explanations otherwise it would be a waste
[07:34] <svaksha> highvoltage: yes
[07:34] <highvoltage> svaksha: ah
[07:34] <boredandblogging> but it still can posted on the fridge under a different category, so it doesn't show up in the front page, but developers can see it under fridge.ubuntu.com/developers or something similar
[07:35] <highvoltage> but I do believe that technical fridge news would be useful and that users will find value in it if it's clear and readable
[07:35] <boredandblogging> we could add a link to the sidebar to developer specific news on the fridge
[07:35] <highvoltage> can we also have the people who post the newsletters to the fridge use <li>'s for the list entries?
[07:36] <highvoltage> it looks a bit awkward when it's just copied and pasted from the text files
[07:36] <boredandblogging> highvoltage: we usually try to, sometimes it gets missed
[07:36] <highvoltage> ah ok
[07:36] <highvoltage> I don't think I've seen it with the newsletters yet
[07:37] <svaksha> what if we kept it as a seperate feed ?
[07:37] <boredandblogging> svaksha: I would honestly like to funnel down the news outlets for Ubuntu...I really don't want to see another blog
[07:37] <boredandblogging> svaksha: yes, each category automatically gets its own feed
[07:37] <svaksha> boredandblogging: isnt it being aggregated on the p.u.c ?
[07:37] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: I think you're right there. fewer blogs, etc is better
[07:37] <highvoltage> svaksha: many people don't read p.u.c to avoid politics and memes and stuff
[07:38] <highvoltage> svaksha: but those same people would often be subscribed to the Fridge
[07:38] <boredandblogging> svaksha: for example, http://fridge.ubuntu.com/uwn/feed
[07:38] <highvoltage> (basing that on people I know, not on official stats or anything)
[07:38] <svaksha> highvoltage: :( then what is the point of having p.u.c ? anyway ....
[07:38]  * svaksha returns to the discussion
[07:39] <boredandblogging> the planet is fine, but it should not be the official place to announce things like it is now
[07:39] <svaksha> boredandblogging: amen
[07:39] <svaksha> boredandblogging: that also gets people worked up if they see nything non-techy
[07:39] <boredandblogging> i belive laserjock had tried to bring up that point before, but it got ignored
[07:39] <svaksha> s/nything/anything
[07:40] <highvoltage> svaksha: well, the planet is where you stay up to date with the community and members. the fridge is where you get more official community and development news with less focus on people's non-ubuntu personal stuff
[07:40]  * svaksha thinks p.u.c should be about people and everything in their lives
[07:40] <highvoltage> (ot that's how I understand it, at least)
[07:40] <svaksha> highvoltage: amen
[07:41] <svaksha> i'd love to see deeper news on technical aspects on the fridge but its not just our call to take
[07:41] <highvoltage> at least the weekly newsletters get reasonable technical coverage, and they are linked from the fridge
[07:41] <svaksha> it needs community approval too
[07:41] <highvoltage> so I don't think the technical side has been neglected all that much really
[07:43] <boredandblogging> svaksha: if there was someone to write it, there would be no problem posting it
[07:44] <boredandblogging> there are plans for posting team reports to the fridge
[07:44] <boredandblogging> so the fridge can provide a better view of the community
[07:44] <svaksha> boredandblogging: are the ubuntu dev's game for it...i assume that is why they suggested thatin the first place
[07:45] <boredandblogging> most of the support seems to be keeping it on the wiki
[07:45] <boredandblogging> on the list someone suggested creating a blog
[07:45] <boredandblogging> (which would probably get aggregated to the planet)
[07:46] <boredandblogging> which is ok if its going to be that technical, with no further explanations for the average user
[08:51] <svaksha> 08:45 < boredandblogging> on the list someone suggested creating a blog
[08:51] <svaksha> could the fridge aggregate this ?
[08:52] <svaksha> so instead of p.u.c, fridge gets dev-related news
[12:15] <highvoltage> who decided to include "[12:15] <highvoltage> fwiw, I think that was a real good blog post to include.
[12:19] <tyche> highvoltage: I thought it was a good description of what each was, and the reasons for including KDE 4.1.2
[12:21] <highvoltage> cool.
[12:21] <highvoltage> it certainly was.
[12:21] <tyche> I also tried to write the splurb in such a way as to attract attention to that fact.
[14:29] <highvoltage> hey cody-somerville
[14:29] <cody-somerville> hey highvoltage


[00:35] <ScottK-laptop> heya NCommander
[00:36] <NCommander> how goes things ScottK-laptop?
[00:37] <ScottK-laptop> Googling Sea Monkey's with my 5 year old.
[00:37] <NCommander> Is it bad that I thought of Mozilla SeaMonkey before the animal?
[00:38] <ScottK-laptop> No, I have trouble with that too.
[00:45] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: good, at least it just isn't me
[00:50] <jtechidna> apachelogger: what do you make of bug 270989?
[01:18] <KDesk> hi, I want to test intrepid alpha 5 or the daily cd, but I would like to know the opinions of the people who already has tested or already are using it. According to what I have read, the most unstable part is the kernel. What do you think?
[01:27] <rgreening> it's mostly there. Nothing that would stop you from using it to help iron things out
[01:28] <rgreening> I run it as my main OS and have since Alpha3
[01:28] <rgreening> of course, I have a pure Intel chipset and video. best support
[01:33] <KDesk> rgreening: I have also pure intel, I will download the daily i think, thank you for your answer.
[01:33] <rgreening> np
[01:34] <rgreening> you may have to blacklist iTCO_wdt (I did).
[01:34] <KDesk> ok, thanks, i will search for it :)
[01:35] <rgreening> sudo echo "blacklist iTCO_wdt" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-watchdog
[01:35] <rgreening> :)
[01:40] <KDesk> hmm, i have it: lsmod | grep iTCO_wdt
[01:40] <KDesk> iTCO_wdt               13092  0
[01:40] <KDesk> iTCO_vendor_support     4868  1 iTCO_wdt
[01:41] <rgreening> I had periodic hangs on reboot with that mod
[01:41] <rgreening> so have others. If you do not have any watchdog program installed, it shouldn't be used (i.e. blacklist it)
[01:41] <KDesk> it that a known bug?
[01:41] <rgreening> yeah. there are a cpouple open on it
[01:42] <rgreening> it's supposed to be in the blacklist (I believe by default it should)
[01:42] <rgreening> anyway, that fixes it
[01:45] <KDesk> hmm, I am planing to download the daily cd, but there is only alternative. Is there a difference on the installed system between the desktop and the alternate?
[01:46] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: For solving kdesdk installabiility, cvsservice needs promoted to Main.  I pinged slangasek with the same information already.
[01:46] <ScottK-laptop> KDesk: Not after it's installed, no.
[01:47] <KDesk> ScottK-laptop: ah, ok, thanks. I will then download the alternate daily.
[01:47] <ScottK-laptop> KDesk: If you're running Hardy now, you could also just upgrade that directly and then we get an upgrade test too.
[01:48] <KDesk> ScottK-laptop: that's a good idea :)
[01:57] <KDesk> ScottK-laptop: Upgrading from hardy like you said is safe like the the clean installation?
[01:58] <ScottK-laptop> KDesk: You are upgrading to a development release.  It is not 'safe'.
[01:58] <KDesk> and witch command should I use? or only change the hardy with intrepid in the sources.list?
[01:58] <ScottK-laptop> KDesk: In general it's hard to say.  There are installation issues and upgrade issue.
[01:59] <ScottK-laptop> KDesk: It's probably more risky at this point to upgrade, but we are also more in need of people to try it and file bugs.
[01:59] <ScottK-laptop> KDesk: If you do the upgrade, you should be able to open a Konsole shell and do: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[01:59] <ScottK-laptop> I think it's -d
[02:00] <KDesk> ScottK-laptop: I will test intrepid, but witch way would you recommend me, upgrade or clean installation?
[02:00] <KDesk> ok, i will see how it goes with the upgrade :)
[02:00] <KDesk> thanks!
[02:01] <ScottK-laptop> KDesk: If you upgrade your odds of having some trouble is higher I would guess, but if you do a clean install you chances of end up with a dead system are higher.
[02:01] <ScottK-laptop> That's just my guess though.
[02:03] <KDesk> ScottK-laptop: hmm, I will better do a clean install, if the upgrade doesn't work I will have no OS to use :( But with the clean install in another partition sharing the home I think it will be better for me :)
[02:04] <ScottK-laptop> Makes sense.
[02:04] <ScottK-laptop> However ..
[02:04] <ScottK-laptop> In Hardy .kde is kde3 and in Intrepid .kde is .kde4
[02:05] <ScottK-laptop> In Hardy KDE4 prefs are in .kde4.
[02:05] <ScottK-laptop> KDesk: I think sharing /home between hardy and intrepid may not be exactly what you want.
[02:08] <KDesk> ScottK-laptop: oh, that's right, the settings, but i won't be much problem. And I will erase some of the configs that are in .kde and the ones that are not in .kde4 and will se what happends. :) Thank you for your help!
[02:08] <jtechidna> Intrepid uses .kde
[02:23] <Lex79> jtechidna: Hi ! :)
[02:23] <jtechidna> hi
[05:18] <ScottK-laptop> Any clue why we ship khelpcenter4 with kdebase-runtime and don't just call it khelpcenter?
[05:18] <ScottK-laptop> The old khelpcenter is NBS right now.
[05:58] <yao_ziyuan1> i want to suggest a better icon for kubuntu intrepid's QuickAccess plasmoid.
[05:58] <yao_ziyuan1> it is in the Status category, called folder-open
[05:58] <yao_ziyuan1> Icon Source -> Status -> folder-open
[05:58] <yao_ziyuan1> trolltech must be very rich -- it can hire so good artists...
[05:59] <Hobbsee> yao_ziyuan1: might want to file a wishlist bug for jaunty, then.
[05:59] <yao_ziyuan1> but i also heard that features have been frozen
[05:59] <Hobbsee> correct.
[06:00] <yao_ziyuan1> are westerners so dead to rules?
[06:00] <Hobbsee> the rules are there for a good reason - like so people who are writing books actually get accurate pictures of waht the release looks like.
[06:01] <Hobbsee> but your attack on westerners is appreciated, thanks.
[06:16] <yao_ziyuan1> yes books - i think the difference between a free ubuntu cd and a paid one is that the latter is with a book...
[06:17] <rgreening> It's good the logs are posted online, elzse this might get ugly :)
[11:12] <Riddell> ooh, new build notification
[11:24] <OculusAquilae> hey emonkey
[11:25] <emonkey> ola OculusAquilae! nice to see you!
[11:38] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: I just noticed that we have a kubuntu-kde4 seed for Intrepid.  That can be removed, can't it?
[11:40] <Riddell> yes
[11:40] <Riddell> or set to hidden
[11:40] <Riddell> bzr branches can't be removed as far as I know
[11:53] <ScottK-laptop> Made empty at the very least.
[11:55] <Riddell> that would rather defeat the point of a revision control system
[11:57] <ScottK-laptop> I suppose.  I guess as long as it doesn't get branched into jaunty.
[12:45] <davmor2> Riddell: ping
[12:48] <davmor2> Looks like Jockey is crashing on startup
[12:49] <knome> ouch, bad one
[12:49] <knome> how is the horse?
[12:51]  * davmor2 too busy for fun so slap knome ;)
[12:56] <Riddell> davmor2: hmm, ok
[12:57] <echidnaman> Jockey seems to work for me
[12:57] <Riddell> davmor2: got a backtrace?
[12:57] <davmor2> Riddell: I got and apport report from it so I'm just inputting the info
[12:59] <davmor2> Riddell: bug 271317
[13:00] <davmor2> Riddell: there's a backtrace on it :)
[13:00] <ScottK-laptop> davmor2: Can you unprivate it?
[13:01] <JontheEchidna> I can't even see it, and I can see private bugs
[13:01] <davmor2> ScottK-laptop: Should be changed now sorry
[13:01] <davmor2> I didn't clock it :)
[13:02] <Riddell> ImportError: No module named kurllabel
[13:02] <wesley_> hi are there here to people who got upgrade problems in 8.10
[13:02] <Riddell> davmor2: do you have python-kde4 installed?
[13:02] <ScottK-laptop> http://paste.ubuntu.com/47752/ is the traceback.
[13:02]  * davmor2 checks
[13:02] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: python-kde4 is a dep of the latest jockey-kde packaging
[13:03] <ScottK-laptop> wesley_: If you need help with 8.10, see #kubuntu-kde4 or #ubuntu+1
[13:03] <wesley_> this is kubuntu-devel ???
[13:04] <ScottK-laptop> Yes.  This channel is about doing the development, not helping people using the development release.
[13:04] <davmor2> Riddell: Yes
[13:07] <davmor2> Right Dinner need me to check anything else before I go?
[13:08]  * davmor2 takes the silence as a resounding No
[13:34] <rgreening> Riddell: I see why you are having issues with qtjambi. It's include header hell...
[13:34] <rgreening> heh
[13:44] <Riddell> rgreening: how far did you geet?
[13:45] <rgreening> hmmm... it completeted all the generator part...
[13:46] <rgreening> then when it started to make it failed part way with redefined size_t, etc...
[13:46] <rgreening> I was trying to figure out where the header/includes were broken (my end or the package)
[13:46] <rgreening> I believe it's actually Qt headers, but can't be 100% sure
[13:46] <rgreening> how about you?
[13:47] <rgreening> I'm going to take another stab today... any info you can pass along would be helpful
[13:48] <rgreening> BTW, I completed the scim project (in case you missed it). ScottK was kind enough to push up along for me
[13:48] <rgreening> 2 out of 3 ain't bad so far.
[13:48] <rgreening> ha
[13:49] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Got your hppa access yet?
[13:49] <NCommander> haven't checked my mail yet
[13:50] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: This one I think can just be retried, right: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17425639/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-hppa.perl_5.10.0-11.1ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:52] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: yes, but it still might flop again
[13:52] <ScottK-laptop> Yeah.  hppa flopping seems like a good bet these days.
[13:54] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: someone needs to attack the backports queue, people are wondering what the holdup is it seems
[13:58] <knome> JontheEchidna, how is your nick pronounced?
[13:58] <JontheEchidna> uh
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> Jon
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> the
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> then I guess you could look up echidna in a dictionary or something
[13:59] <knome> mm-hm
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> or better yet, use the dictionary plasmoid, \o/
[13:59]  * knome doesn't use kde
[14:00]  * knome hides
[14:00] <NCommander> JontheEchidna: I think its like E-kid-na
[14:00] <NCommander> That's how I usually hear it pronouced
[14:00] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[14:00] <JontheEchidna> I just didn't know how to explain it
[14:01] <knome> yah
[14:21] <davmor2> Riddell: 20080917.4 Are you just doing a dj impression with your re-spins ;)
[14:46] <rgreening> Riddell: I think my compile issue is in correct setting for JAVA_HOME. I set it to /usr, but this is not 100% correct for the build. I think ... thoughts?
[14:57] <rgreening> Riddell: trying with JAVA_HOME set to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk (crossing fingers)
[15:13] <Riddell> davmor2: no idea, not my doing
[15:13] <davmor2> :)
[15:55] <rgreening> Riddell: there? I almost got it compiling correctly. Just need a small bit of assistance
[16:00] <Riddell> hi rgreening
[16:00] <Riddell> I'm testing CDs so not here all the time
[16:01] <davmor2> Riddell: are the 20080917.4 cd's okay for testing now then?
[16:01] <Riddell> davmor2: they work for me :)
[16:01] <rgreening> Riddell: ok, so QTDIR points to /usr/share/qt4... correect? however in that dir there's no symlink to lib (/usr/lib) where the QtCore.so exists
[16:01] <davmor2> cool updating now :)
[16:01] <Riddell> rgreening: right, that rings a bell, you can add that on your local system if that's what it takes
[16:02] <rgreening> Riddell: then I get java.io.FileNotFoundException: /usr/share/qt4/lib/libQtCore.so.4 (No such file or directory) in the build from build.xml
[16:02] <rgreening> so, should it exist in the qt package (for completeness) anyway?
[16:02] <Riddell> no but if we need to add it we can
[16:03] <rgreening> It probably should for others to be able to properly build from source.
[16:04] <rgreening> Riddell: I'll manually add for now. But we can bump/patch the qt package to add in the lib right
[16:04] <Riddell> rgreening: yes if that's necessary
[16:05] <rgreening> for source build it appears so. unless you have another suggestion
[16:06] <Riddell> if that's the only problem I'll be surprised
[16:06] <rgreening> lol. I'll make a note in my steps. come back to it later.
[16:06] <rgreening> ok, back to compiling
[16:33] <rgreening> Riddell: cd /usr/share/qt4; mkdir lib; cd lib; for i in `dpkg -L libqt4-dev | grep "/usr/lib/lib" | grep ".so$"`; do ln -s $i.?; done
[16:34] <rgreening> Riddell: haha... quick temp fix to build it without patching libqt4-dev package
[16:37] <rgreening> BUILD SUCCESSFUL
[16:37] <rgreening> Total time: 3 minutes 6 seconds
[16:37] <rgreening> whee...
[16:38] <knome> d?
[16:38] <knome> -h?
[16:42] <Riddell> rgreening: seriously?  that's it?
[16:43] <rgreening> well, it builds now. Though I need to add in some libraries for phonon and webkit. But the basics build... not sure what to do from here
[16:45] <Riddell> rgreening: do you end up with a .jar?
[16:45] <rgreening> yeah
[16:45] <Riddell> is there an example programme you can try and run?
[16:45] <rgreening> yeah. do I run java <file>.jar?
[16:46] <Riddell> no, the jar needs to go whatever .jars go
[16:46] <Riddell> and the programme will be a .java that needs compiled with javac
[16:47] <rgreening> hmm
[16:47] <rgreening> It created 5 jars..
[16:48] <Riddell> what are they called?
[16:48] <rgreening> 1 sec
[16:49] <rgreening> ant-qtjambi.jar       qtjambi-designer-4.4.0_01.jar  qtjambi-linux32-gcc-4.4.0_01.jar
[16:49] <rgreening> qtjambi-4.4.0_01.jar  qtjambi-examples-4.4.0_01.jar
[16:49] <Riddell> hmm
[16:50] <rgreening> I think I need to ant build the demo .xml
[16:50] <rgreening> 1 sec
[16:51] <rgreening> running ant -f build_generator_example.xml see if that's itr
[16:53] <rgreening> I'm soon going to be having nightmares of ants swimming in coffee cups
[16:55] <knome> ok, this is what i hate about kde:
[16:56] <knome> i want to install krec on my xubuntu machine -> install 77megs of files
[16:56] <knome> "yay"
[16:56] <rgreening> Packages are spelled with a K as in Knome?
[16:56] <rgreening> :P
[16:58] <rgreening> Riddell: well, that didn't help. It just build another jar (qtjambi-generator-example-linux32-gcc-4.4.0_01.jar)
[16:58] <Riddell> rgreening: there's probably some way to run that then
[16:59] <rgreening> lol... prob. still lookin
[16:59] <Riddell> /usr/share/java seems to be the place for .jar files
[17:00] <Riddell> so try putting them in there then java -jar qtjambi-generator-example-linux32-gcc-4.4.0_01.jar
[17:03] <rgreening> java -cp qtjambi-4.4.0_01.jar:qtjambi-linux32-gcc-4.4.0_01.jar:qtjambi-examples-4.4.0_01.jar com.trolltech.launcher.Launcher
[17:03] <rgreening> it was in the install.html
[17:04] <rgreening> Runs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[17:04]  * rgreening does a happy dance around the room
[17:05] <Riddell> goodness
[17:05] <Riddell> well done rgreening
[17:05] <rgreening> So, now we need to package it up
[17:06] <Riddell> rgreening: didn't you say you had phonon and webkit to fiddle with first?
[17:06] <rgreening> I also need  to add in the correct lib for phonon and opengl...
[17:06] <rgreening> webkit was built. was opengl
[17:06] <Riddell> right
[17:06] <rgreening> so, only those two to figure out the deps
[17:06] <Riddell> opengl probably needs libqt4-opengl-dev installed
[17:06] <rgreening> beside that though, how do I go about packaging this up for deb
[17:07] <rgreening> I'll test the opengl with that
[17:07] <Riddell> phonon will need libphonon-dev but it may also need symlinks playing with since we have it in /usr/lib/kde4/plugins or something and it wants /usr/lib/qt4/plugins or something
[17:08] <rgreening> k. will check that also
[17:08] <Riddell> for packaging download the existing one, copy over the debian directory and update debian/rules
[17:08] <rgreening> hmmm.... already had libqt4-opengl-dev
[17:09] <Riddell> debian/rules is a makefile, it's full of the usual ugly mix of Make and Bash that you find in makefiles as well as debian specific dh_ commands
[17:09] <rgreening> ah... it's one of those missing symlinks...
[17:09] <rgreening> qtjambi uses ant and a build.xml
[17:11] <Riddell> before it used qmake and its own generator, look at the existing debian/rules and replace the old build-stamp bits
[17:14] <rgreening> hmmm... this may be a bit over my expertise. I'll give it a go :)
[17:15] <Riddell> rgreening: it's totally diving in at the deep end of packaging, don't spend too long on it if you get stuck, the important thing is we have the instructions for compiling it somewhere
[17:15] <rgreening> the steps are export some env vars. then run ant -f build.xml and ant -f build_generator_example.xml. Then it's just install/cp the jars to the correct location I assume.
[17:16] <rgreening> Can I e-mail them somewhere?
[17:16] <rgreening> or open a bug?
[17:17] <Riddell> bug would work, report a wishlist on qtjambi
[17:17] <Riddell> "package new version"
[17:17] <rgreening> kk. I'll do that after I get the opengl and phonon bits.
[17:18] <rgreening> How do I tell which packages (-dev) that it actually required? I used the build-dep from the old qtjambi-4.3.1. I guess I could remove them all and manually add till it builds again :0
[17:18] <Riddell> thanks
[17:19] <Riddell> that's about the only reliable way
[17:19] <Riddell> I expect it still needs the same ones though
[17:19] <rgreening> kk. will do that then. probably.
[17:19] <rgreening> ok, so once this is done, I'll need my next project :)
[17:20] <rgreening> I'm very task oriented as you can see
[17:20] <rgreening> lol
[17:27] <rgreening> Riddell: added proper symlinks to /usr/share/qt4 for libphonon-dev and libqt4-opengl-dev and libqt4-dev and the qtjambi ant build.xml picks up everything now. rebuilding from scratch to test.
[20:12] <Riddell> everyone test alpha 6 candidates!
[20:13]  * Arby rsyncs
[20:13] <davmor2> I'm testing, I'm testing
[20:15] <Arby> I've been running through some upgrade tests recently
[20:15] <Riddell> did they work?
[20:15] <Arby> has anyone come across https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/270636 recently
[20:15] <Arby> not really no
[20:15] <Arby> kde3 failed due to problems with landscape
[20:15] <Arby> now fixed I believe
[20:16] <Arby> or in progress
[20:16] <Riddell> oh that should be fixed this afternoon
[20:16] <Riddell> (by removing it from the seed)
[20:16] <Arby> hardy-kde4 failed with that ^^
[20:16] <Arby> I also tried kde4 with members ppa enabled
[20:16] <Arby> it fails with a similar error, I was just about to file the bug
[20:17] <Riddell> lanscape issue?
[20:17] <Arby> no the bug I linked
[20:18] <Arby> on my to do list is kde4 with adept3, see how it plays with update-manager
[20:18] <davmor2> using virtualbox I thought there were issues with that anyway?
[20:18] <Arby> davmor2: I understood that it had been fixed
[20:18] <davmor2> ah right :)
[20:18] <Arby> the problem was the intrepid kernel not booting in Virtualbox
[20:19] <Arby> the VMs boot now
[20:19] <Arby> the kde3 install actually worked fine apart from landscape being broken
[20:20] <Arby> Riddell: any other upgrade cases you'd like to see run through?
[20:20] <Riddell> dunno, I plan to do upgrade testing myself tomorrow
[20:21] <Riddell> except my ISP is being smelly so I don't know how far I'll get, may need to borrow from someone else
[20:21] <Arby> I have a similar problem with iso testing :)
[20:21] <Arby> my pipe can barely keep up with the respins
[20:22] <Arby> especially when we near release
[20:42] <Riddell> hmm, live fails after the language step for me
[20:43] <Arby> Riddell: boots fine for me
[20:43] <Riddell> Arby: ubiquity I mean
[20:43] <davmor2> Riddell: I'll check it after
[20:43] <Arby> ah, I'm running live session, my bad
[20:44] <Arby> adept is missing it's icons in the menu
[20:44] <Riddell> that's known
[20:44] <Riddell> fix committed
[20:44] <Arby> ok
[20:44] <Arby> cool :)
[20:46] <Riddell> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/271467
[20:54] <Arby> Riddell: ubiquity fails to even start from the live session
[20:54] <Riddell> wibblwe
[20:55] <Arby> just testing from the cd menu
[20:55] <Arby> if it fails here as well I'll confirm the bug
[21:00] <Arby> hmm, seems to have stopped at keyboard layout for me
[21:00] <davmor2> Arby: Riddell: are you both test i386?
[21:00] <Arby> runs the scanning disks progress bar then stops
[21:00] <Arby> davmor2: yes
[21:01] <Arby> lack of 64 bit hardware
[21:01] <Riddell> davmor2: i am on amd alternate now
[21:01] <davmor2> I'll try 64bit and see if it happens there then :)
[21:02] <Arby> Riddell: how did you generate the ubiquity back trace?
[21:02] <Arby> I can confirm that bug I think
[21:02] <davmor2> try apport-cli ubiquty
[21:02] <Arby> ok
[21:03] <davmor2> only add an extra i
[21:04] <knome> davmor2, do you want to buy a vowel?
[21:05] <davmor2> knome: I'm tired leave me alone :P
[21:05] <knome> haha :)
[21:08] <davmor2> Arby: any good?
[21:08] <Arby> davmor2: don't know yet, world's slwest vm boot
[21:08] <Arby> *slowest
[21:10] <Riddell> arby /var/log/installer/debug
[21:10] <Arby> ah ha
[21:10] <Arby> thanks
[21:12] <allee> Arby: 0917.4 i386 CDROM installed fine a Latitude D830.  Problem started after reboot ;)
[21:12] <davmor2> confirmed the bug on 64bit
[21:13] <davmor2> stops a keyboard layout
[21:13] <Arby> allee: errm ok, which problem?
[21:14] <allee> Arby: language not completly install -> 'dead' dialog after installing pkgs
[21:14] <allee> ^^ lanuage was 'de'
[21:15] <allee> Arby: later a 'python 2.5' crash
[21:15] <Arby> I don't recognise that, got a bug number?
[21:15] <Arby> sorry I'm a little confused
[21:15] <Arby> not unusual :)
[21:16] <allee> :)
[21:19]  * Arby starts on the alternate cd, entire disk first
[21:21] <Arby> davmor2: is it just a mistake that the iso tracker still says testing for alpha5?
[21:21] <davmor2> yes
[21:22] <Arby> ok, wasn't sure whether to enter results or not :)
[21:22] <davmor2> result dates are correct it's only the description that's off
[21:26] <allee> a know bug? qt-language-selector --mode select  -> type error: decoding unicode not supported
[21:33] <jtechidna> allee: bug 103374
[21:34] <jtechidna> actually several reports exist
[21:34] <allee> jtechidna: thx for the info!
[21:35] <jtechidna> you're welcome
[21:35]  * jtechidna marks some dupes
[21:36]  * goatsocks is a dupe
[21:47] <sito> helloe
[21:47] <sito> hellow
[21:47] <sito> i need the sources of intrepid ibex kubuntu
[21:47] <sito> please
[21:47] <jtechidna> source for which program?
[21:50] <sito> sources.list
[21:50] <sito> :P
[21:50] <jtechidna> ah, that type of source :P
[21:51] <sito> jaja, i'am spanish and my english is bad
[21:52] <jtechidna> Tu puedes tener mio sources.list
[21:52] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: I live
[21:52] <jtechidna> sito: http://paste.ubuntu.com/47893/
[21:52] <sito> #thanksssssssss jtechidna you are the best!
[21:52] <sito> :D
[21:53] <allee> sito: in case you want to update to intrepid, please don't update only sources.list.    There's an update manager or something like that
[21:54] <sito> ok, allee i stay in intrepid ibex now
[21:55] <sito> but i deleted de sources.list ->  error
[21:56] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: would you please do a test build of wireshark and tell me if you end up going WTF at the end?
[21:57] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: why would I?
[21:58] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: The story ends like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/47895/
[21:59] <NCommander> ScottK: thanks, now my eyes bleed
[22:02] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: So if you would add that one to your list.  Wireshark has a sufficiently consistent security reputation that I'm certain we don't want to release with one that can't be rebuilt after patching.
[22:03] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: its at the top of my list now ;-)
[22:04] <ScottK-laptop> Excellent
[22:27]  * arby_ waves from alpha6 testing land
[22:28] <arby_> well that works anyway
[22:29] <Arby> hmm starting amarok results in 'xine cannot initialise any audio drivers'
[22:29] <Arby> anybody else seen this?
[22:29] <Arby> this laptop has always had dodgy sound so it could be me, or the fact it's a vm, or both
[22:30] <Riddell> working here
[22:30] <Arby> must be my lappy then
[22:30] <Riddell> on fresh alpha candidate install
[22:30] <Arby> I'll ignore that
[22:32] <Arby> 'Update Information: Incomplete language support'
[22:32] <Arby> that's a new one
[22:33] <Riddell> that's a good thing, it's supposed to happen
[22:33] <Arby> ok
[22:33] <Riddell> assuming you do have incomplete language support in some language
[22:33] <Arby> well I only chose english
[22:34] <Arby> and it won't let me choose english in the language installer
[22:34] <davmor2> Arby: which vm you using?
[22:34] <Arby> virtualbox
[22:34] <Arby> with brand new alpha6
[22:34] <davmor2> hmmmm
[22:34] <Arby> I may have to look for a new virtualisation program
[22:35] <Arby> VB has been trouble recently
[22:35] <davmor2> look under devices you'll soon see if the sound module is enabled
[22:36] <Arby> that would explain that then :)
[22:36] <ScottK-laptop> Arby: It just got updated to 2.0.2 today, so it may change yet.
[22:36] <goatsocks> does alpha 6 boot on virtualbox now?
[22:36] <Arby> ScottK-laptop: thanks, that would be great
[22:36] <Arby> goatsocks: yes
[22:36] <goatsocks> excellent
[23:15] <NCommander> Riddell: when LP comes back, I have the wireshark fix
[23:16] <Riddell> I'm about to go to bed
[23:32] <ScottK> NCommander: I have some other wireshark changes too.  Would you please mail me your debdiff and I'll integrate it with the others.
[23:38] <NCommander> ScottK: Its simply a change to rules
[23:38] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Pastebin works too then.
[23:38] <NCommander> Comment out line 42
[23:38] <NCommander> Er
[23:38] <NCommander> the cp line
[23:39] <NCommander> Oh
[23:39] <NCommander> Ok
[23:39] <ScottK-laptop> You mean 39?
[23:39] <NCommander> yeah
[23:39] <NCommander> I added a comment explaining why
[23:40] <ScottK-laptop> I know that 42 is the ultimate answer to the ultimate question about Life, the Universe, and Everything, but ....
[23:40] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: OK.  Pastebin then please so I can get your comment.
[23:41] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/47904/
[23:41]  * ScottK-laptop runs off to do more schleping of kids around town.
[23:41] <ScottK-laptop> Thanks.
[23:41] <NCommander> and, see, more verbose changelogs messages :-P
[23:42] <ScottK-laptop> Yep.  Great.  I thought that one was good.
[23:42] <ScottK-laptop> See you later.
[23:43] <crimsun> hum?
[23:43] <crimsun> why not "-cp /usr/share/misc/config.guess /usr/share/misc/config.sub ." ?
[23:46] <NCommander> crimsun: autogen.sh does that
[23:46] <NCommander> No reason to do it twice
[23:46] <crimsun> NCommander: right.  In that case, it really would make more sense to just remove it instead of commenting it, no?
[23:48] <NCommander> crimsun: if its removed, it might get readded on a merge, and then possibly break the build again. By commenting out and leaving the comment, its clear why that change was made
[23:49] <crimsun> NCommander: shrug, I would have documented it in the changelog, but you're the one making the change.
[23:49] <NCommander> crimsun: Yeah, I understand your view point, and I accept it