[02:14] <hemm> why does proxychains sometimes work and sometimes not work?
[02:30] <tmpm697> hi all, i problem with micork8s, is there a channel for it to join and ask question?
[02:30] <tmpm697> or I can just ask here?
[02:31] <tmpm697> basically i use microk8s via snapd and microk8s enable dns and then microk8s reset, but after reset k get all -A still show resources there (old pods spawned by 'microk8s enable dns' command), why?
[02:31] <sarnold> probably #ubuntu-server will work better than here, but it doesn't come up often there, so .. maybe not even there :/ iirc microk8s folks have a discourse, though maybe they've got a mattermost ..
[02:32] <tmpm697> i tried #microk8s and just me there
[02:32] <sarnold> :(
[02:32] <tmpm697> anyway if someone here from ubuntu can help?
[02:33] <tmpm697> snap version here:
[02:33] <tmpm697> https://0x0.st/ouPT.txt
[02:34] <tmpm697> i also got this error when i do *microk8s.reset*: sudo: symbol lookup error: /snap/core18/current/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0: undefined symbol: __libc_vfork, version GLIBC_PRIVATE
[02:34] <tmpm697> i had both core18 and core installed via snap install
[02:36] <jhutchins> tmpm697: Pretty much noone here is from Canonnical, or Ubuntu.  We are just fellow users who might have come across something like your problem before.
[02:37] <jhutchins> tmpm697: What snap did you try to install, and where was it from?
[02:38] <tmpm697> i tried to install microk8s, snap version posted above, i use archlinux
[02:39] <tmpm697> i expect microk8s.reset remove all resource but it did not.
[02:39] <WaV> tmpm697: Probably not going to get assistance here.
[02:40] <tmpm697> i'm going to #snappy for help.
[02:40] <jhutchins> tmpm697: Yeah, arch is different in exactly the sort of way that would cause that problem.
[02:41] <jhutchins> !arch
[02:41] <tmpm697> can't be, it's just snapd and its package
[02:41] <jhutchins> !archlinux
[02:42] <jhutchins> tmpm697: You're hitting a C library version difference in the code, and it's exactly that kind of detail that's different between distros.
[02:43] <tmpm697> ok let me check with archlinux guys
[02:43] <jhutchins> tmpm697: "undefined symbol" = me no speak language.
[02:43] <jhutchins> tmpm697: Sorry, I thought the factoid included support info for arch.  Braindead bot..
[05:24] <doc> After an upgrade from xubuntu 16.04 to 18.xx to 20.04 this weekend I'm getting login screen loops when I put the laptop to sleep. https://www.maketecheasier.com/fix-ubuntu-login-loop/ and everything in https://askubuntu.com/questions/223501/ubuntu-gets-stuck-in-a-login-loop One weird thing is xubuntu-desktop isn't installed. Not using nvidia.
[05:30] <arraybolt3[m]> doc: Sometimes upgrades can go wonky like that. While it may be possible to repair the system at this point, it may be easier to simply boot the system from a live USB, copy over your personal data onto an external drive, and reinstall. Make sure to copy all your hidden files when you do this, so that you can keep any saved passwords from Firefox and any other important files. If you have other applications that require logins, you may
[05:30] <arraybolt3[m]> want to research where they store their data and back that up, too.
[05:30] <doc> arraybolt3[m]: that was my worry. I've never once had a dist upgrade not need a wipe.
[05:30] <doc> That's why I was still on 16.04 :(
[05:30] <arraybolt3[m]> (By "copy all your hidden files", I mean all the hidden files and folders in your /home/user directory.)
[05:30]  * doc nods
[05:31] <arraybolt3[m]> I have yet to ever do a dist-upgrade - I always clean install.
[05:31] <doc> Was really hoping to avoid that :/
[05:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Well, stick around for a while longer, maybe someone will know how to fix it.
[05:32] <doc> yep, thanks!
[06:51] <terminator_> hello!
[06:51] <terminator_> goodbye!
[08:37] <realivanjx> lol
[09:16] <rapha> hi all
[09:16] <rapha> is there (1) a way i can tell apt to please not ask me about restarting services after upgrades and (2) a way to tell it to not instruct me about any pending CPU microcode updates?
[09:45] <rcmod> Hey all
[10:00] <doosboox> I'd like to set up a repo mirror for Jammy. I was looking at apt-mirror (deprecated) and aptly (no new release since 1.4.0 in 2019). What are my alternatives
[10:00] <doosboox> ?
[10:02] <murmel> doosboox: honestly I wouldn't deal with those, just use rsync on a cron/timer
[10:03] <doosboox> murmel: No can do. I need to be able to pin versions of packages and filter stuff out.
[10:05] <murmel> doosboox: reprepo is what most use then. but no idea if you can pin versions (i assume)
[10:10] <doosboox> murmel: I'm reading https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reprepro now and I don't see any indication that it's used to set up mirrors
[10:11] <murmel> doosboox: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/SetupWithReprepro
[10:12] <doosboox> murmel: thanks!
[10:16] <doosboox> it looks like reprepro hasn't been updated for three years
[10:21] <rapha> hmm
[10:21] <murmel> doosboox: just because it wasn't updated doesn't mean it doesn't work. otherwise as I said you can use rsync and implement a pin yourself. otherwise you can look into a complete lifecycle system like theforeman.org
[10:21] <rapha> did i ask a bad question? :(
[10:22] <murmel> rapha: hm? I was talking to doosboox
[10:22] <murmel> or I didn't see your question
[10:23] <Zoa3333> hi. having issues with no sound (dummy output). installed different distro and updated bios as a last resort with no change. wondering if this could be anything else than a hardware problem at this point?
[10:25] <murmel> Zoa3333: did it ever work?
[10:25] <Zoa3333> murmel: yes, it worked well a couple weeks ago. i started up a newly installed game (elder scrolls online) and about 5 minutes in all sound stopped working
[10:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Zoa3333: What hardware are you using? Like "Dell Inspiron 7000", or something like that.
[10:26] <Zoa3333> arraybolt: the pc is custom built but using asus tuf gaming 550 pro
[10:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Zoa3333: Ack, what? Yikes. Maybe you can also do "lspci | nc termbin.com 9999" and then give us the link.
[10:27] <Zoa3333> thank you, will do
[10:28] <Zoa3333> arraybolt: https://termbin.com/k5gz2
[10:28] <rapha> murmel: sorry, i didn't mean you specifically. just the face that not even a "sorry, it's not possible" came back. but perhaps it's just an odd question and noone knows...
[10:29] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, I see the audio device in there, so the hardware isn't just dead. That's good.
[10:29] <Zoa3333> arraybolt: true. in the sound settings it says dummy output. however yesterday it all of a sudden recognised the device in there too. then after a restart it went back to dummy output
[10:30] <Zoa3333> seemed very random since i had not changed anything other than restarted, which i have done many times now
[10:30] <murmel> arraybolt3[m]: are you sure? it sounds to me that those outputs are from the gpu
[10:31] <arraybolt3[m]> One of them's HDMI, but the other isn't.
[10:31] <arraybolt3[m]> But wait, that's a good point. Zoa3333: Is there anything in the drop-down that says "dummy output" other than dummy output? Like, if you click on "dummy output", do you see a different option in the list?
[10:32] <murmel> arraybolt3[m]: well that board uses a realtek device, which the second audio device *is not*
[10:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh crud.
[10:32] <Zoa3333> arraybolt: no unfortunately. yesterday when the device was recognised briefly, i think 3 options were in the drop-down meny
[10:33] <Zoa3333> and it was the correct device, i think. not the gpu
[10:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Zoa3333: Does both your monitor and motherboard (or GPU) support HDMI? And if so, do you have an HDMI cable lying around anywhere? You might be able to work around the issue by using the audio through your GPU.
[10:34] <rapha> aha, it seems as for the microcode thing you can just apt purge intel-microcode on a vm
[10:34] <Zoa3333> arraybolt: i don't right now but might be able to get one. i tried plugging in my headphones in the monitor since they had a heasphone jack just in case but i got nothing out of that
[10:35] <Zoa3333> headphone*
[10:35] <Zoa3333> i've also tried in the back of the computer and so on, but that might not be relevant
[10:35] <murmel> rapha: you don't need the firmware, but why bother removing, as it's only a few megs
[10:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Zoa3333: Also, you might try opening up your desktop and cleaning it out. There might be a hardware short that's causing the problem.
[10:36] <murmel> Zoa3333: with your monitor it depends how you connected it to your pc. as most cables don't transport audio
[10:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Fun fact - the reason software bugs are called "bugs" is because a computer programmer lady for the Navy found a dead moth in the guts of the computer that was causing the thing to go haywire.
[10:36] <Zoa3333> arraybolt: will try this, thank you
[10:37] <Zoa3333> murmel: i understand
[10:39] <Zoa3333> arraybolt: if cleaning it does not work, is it likely to be hardware? or should i continue investigating before using the warranty, in your opinion
[10:39] <Zoa3333> i have tried getting it to work for almost two weeks
[10:39] <Zoa3333> on and off, ofc.
[10:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Zoa3333: If it's not appearing in your lspci at all, the computer doesn't know it's there anymore. If cleaning doesn't do the trick, I'd use the warranty.
[10:40] <murmel> Zoa3333: never saw which other distro you tried. just make sure that it's not the kernel having a hicup
[10:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Zoa3333: If that's too much of a hassle, you might be able to find a USB audio card to get you back up and running.
[10:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Even if the kernel was being grumpy, something should at least pop up in lspci, right?
[10:41] <Zoa3333> i went from mint cinnamon to ubuntu, so maybe that wasn't the smartest
[10:41] <Zoa3333> i also reinstalled a few times
[10:42] <Zoa3333> then after none of that worked i did a bios update today
[10:43] <murmel> Zoa3333: eh, so both ubuntu. well it's very unlikely that it's the kernel. imho sounds like rma
[10:44] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah. Multiple distros not working, when it used to work? No card in lspci? Me thinketh yon sound card has bitten the silicon dust. Or at least has some serious issues.
[10:44] <Zoa3333> i see. t's only a few months ago that i bought it. unfortunate but good that there is still warranty, i suppose
[10:45] <Zoa3333> thanks a lot for the help. will try to clean and if that does not help i'll go for the warranty
[10:45] <arraybolt3[m]> Man, and you even used ASUS. I thought they were one of the best brands after my research when I was thinking of building my own PC.
[10:45] <Zoa3333> arraybolt: me too, i am definitely surprised
[10:46] <Zoa3333> shit happens, i guess. won't clutter the chat so have a good one. thanksd again
[10:47] <rapha> murmel: i'm trying to get rid of that nagging error message after every single use of apt.
[10:47] <rapha> murmel: and also removing it didn't work, it's a dependency for the kernel :(
[10:50] <murmel> arraybolt3[m]: not anymore. (imho) even asrock is better
[10:51] <murmel> rapha: which error message are you talking about?
[10:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Wow, last I checked, ASRock got some of the worst reviews.
[10:51] <murmel> and honestly manufacturing issues always happen
[10:51] <murmel> I was always happy with them, in comparison with asus (plus asus back io is weird imo)
[10:52] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, I'll stop with off-topic, especially since you're in the middle of a support chat. Good luck!
[10:52] <rapha> murmel: https://i.stack.imgur.com/a28OY.png
[10:52] <rapha> hmm maybe if i remove the needrestart package
[10:53] <arraybolt3[m]> rapha: Out of curiosity, have you rebooted in a while, or are you relying on Livepatch to keep your system on forever?
[10:53] <rapha> YAY!!! Finally! Freedom from the message!
[10:54] <murmel> rapha: sounds like you don't like using firmware updates to your host cpu?
[10:54] <rapha> arraybolt3[m]: it's a VM. the microcode patching will always fail. rebooting doesn't change anything. also, this box needs to keep running until multiple people come to a consensus about a reboot being okay now. so these messages are just nuisances.
[10:54] <rapha> murmel: as i said, it's a VM.
[10:54] <murmel> rapha: I am talking about the host
[10:55] <arraybolt3[m]> rapha: Hey, can you change the CPU version in your VM so it uses a QEMU CPU rather than an emulated Intel or AMD processor?
[10:55] <rapha> how would it make sense (or even work in a sane way) for any one of the VMs to upgrade the HV's microcode, murmel?
[10:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Or are you not using QEMU/virt-manager/Gnome Boxes?
[10:56] <rapha> arraybolt3[m]: that might cause a different instruction set to be available. i need the VM CPU to copy the host CPUI definition.
[10:57] <murmel> rapha: I was talking about the host OS not loading the newest blob, which means it has security flaws. I am not talking about you doing it. rather the sysadmin for the host
[10:57] <rapha> and this is all headless arraybolt3[m], no gnome boxes, good lord
[10:58] <arraybolt3[m]> rapha: I do a lot with VMs, but not in a server situation. Maybe the server needs a... <shudder> reboot? </shudder> That might actually be necessary, but be prepped for chaos if you're the one doing it, and prep your sysadmin for chaos if they're doing it.
[10:58] <rapha> murmel: i'm the sysadmin for the HV as well. which is Alpine Linux, not Ubuntu. and same problem about having to get multiple people's consensus(es?) before rebooting. and the machine is in a DMZ for exactly that reason. and i don't understand why wanting to disable an annoying and frankly quite unnecessary messages causes one to have to justify oneself?
[10:59] <rapha> anyhow, apt purge needreboot helped AND felt really really good
[10:59] <arraybolt3[m]> rapha: Processor microcode keeps you from having severe security incidents. If your server's processor isn't using the latest microcode, you could get pwned.
[10:59] <rapha> good lord
[11:00] <weedmic> anyone know what "tee" means in this command?  "wpa_passphrase Gabriel G\@br\!el1 | sudo tee temp.conf"
[11:00] <rapha> stop mansplaining people
[11:00] <rapha> and look up what a DMZ is
[11:00] <arraybolt3[m]> rapha: Since your VMs are mimicking the host's CPU, it's possible that they're able to see the outdated microcode, and you never see the error on your headless server.
[11:00] <murmel> arraybolt3[m]: I hope rapha knows what he is doing, otherwise we have another spammer
[11:01] <rapha> rapha knows what SHE's doing and you have a lot of patronizing going on in here
[11:01] <arraybolt3[m]> murmel: Hey, he had a legitimate question. And I only recently learned about the CVE nighmare.
[11:01] <rapha> anyhow thanks for listening and trying to help
[11:01] <arraybolt3[m]> s/he/she
[11:01] <rapha> have a nice day everyone
[11:02] <arraybolt3[m]> murmel: Man, I do hope she doesn't get her server pwned. I looked up a DMZ, that is not going to be enough to protect her. I should have linked to some stuff about Spectre and Meltdown.
[11:03] <murmel> arraybolt3[m]: DMZ helps, but not that much, depending on what her collegues/friends/customers? do
[11:03] <murmel> arraybolt3[m]: but those are exactly the reason why whole servers are being taken over
[11:04] <arraybolt3[m]> murmel: Who cares if you can hack into a network service when you can just leak RAM contents? Grab an encryption key and game over.
[11:05] <murmel> arraybolt3[m]: depends on the 'network'
[11:05] <arraybolt3[m]> True.
[11:08] <arraybolt3[m]> weedmic: The "tee" command in that command allows you to see what's being written to the temp.conf file.
[11:08] <arraybolt3[m]> "tee" takes the data that you pipe into it, saves it to a file, and forwards it to the next application in the pipeline (which, in that command, happens to be your terminal window).
[11:09] <arraybolt3[m]> So whatever wpa_passphrase throws onto standard output, gets thrown on your terminal screen and saved to temp.conf.
[11:35] <xernus> I am trying to do a custom cloud image build using packer. It works, however, my image is quite large and has lots of stuff installed in it when built. I cant seem to find any options in the docs to choose a minimal set of packages and the image ends up having lots of stuff in it I do not need. Does anyone have a link for documentation describing the package selection, or do I have to manually find
[11:35] <xernus> packages I dont need and uninstall them? :)
[12:01] <MonsieurBon> Hi all
[12:03] <MonsieurBon> This morning i installed a firmware upgrade for my Lenovo P52 through "Ubuntu Software". After rebooting, only windows 11 is bootable. I tried repairing grub using Boot Repair and also following the answer here. Both with no success. Any help?
[12:04] <MonsieurBon> The link to SO went missing: https://askubuntu.com/questions/719409/how-to-reinstall-grub-from-a-liveusb-if-the-partition-is-encrypted-and-there-i
[12:05] <murmel> MonsieurBon: did you make sure that grub is selected in uefi?
[12:06] <MonsieurBon> murmel, how do I do that?
[12:11] <murmel> MonsieurBon: depending on your device, it's f2 or del to enter uefi/bios
[12:13] <MonsieurBon> murmel, yes. grub is actually starting, but just showing a shell prompt. I might have missed a step. I'll retry!
[12:14] <murmel> MonsieurBon: ah, seems like your grub really got corrupted.
[12:15] <MonsieurBon> murmel, I think I forgot to mount the /boot partition (which is separate in my case) when following this guide https://askubuntu.com/questions/719409/how-to-reinstall-grub-from-a-liveusb-if-the-partition-is-encrypted-and-there-i
[12:15] <murmel> MonsieurBon: oh, yeah that's important as there is the config for grub
[12:15] <guy4545> Is it possible to run Ubuntu on the M1 chip by now?
[12:16] <murmel> guy4545: no, they are still developing for it (on an arch base)
[12:16] <murmel> will still take awhile
[12:16] <guy4545> murmel: Does that hold true for all Linux distros?
[12:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Yes. They're still porting the Linux kernel if I'm understanding correctly.
[12:18] <murmel> guy4545: as the devs are working with an arch base, upstreaming everything. that means if something works, it should run it's normal course at some point. but for now it's only usable as a server, gui still has no accel
[12:19] <murmel> arraybolt3[m]: they are mostly done with the kernel itself afair
[12:19] <murmel> now we are talking about gpu/nvme driver and other stuff
[12:20] <arraybolt3[m]> murmel: Ah, good to know. That's cool!
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:21] <murmel> I really hope that we can get to a point where it's usable. their build quality is miles ahead of any other manufacturer
[12:21] <murmel> but enough small talk here xD
[12:22] <guy4545> murmel: This was a support question.
[12:22] <arraybolt3[m]> guy4545: Correct. murmel was getting off onto small talk, not you.
[12:22] <murmel> eh, I was talking about my rambling about build quality :)
[12:23] <guy4545> murmel: But thanks, those were all questions I had.
[12:23] <murmel> guy4545: no problem :)
[12:25] <MonsieurBon> murmel, ok, better! I'm booted into ubuntu. Now the only problem is that Windows is missing from grub config. How do I recover that option?
[12:25] <murmel> MonsieurBon: make sure that you enable os-prober in /etc/default/grub
[12:26] <arraybolt3[m]> MonsieurBon: What version of Ubuntu are you on? (Sorry if you already said this, but I don't want to hunt through the history to find it.)
[12:26] <murmel> with GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false
[12:27] <arraybolt3[m]> MonsieurBon: If you're using Ubuntu 22.04, I wrote a guide on getting your other operating systems to show up here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1410398/just-installed-ubuntu-22-04-on-a-dual-boot-setup-now-my-other-os-isnt-showing
[12:28] <MonsieurBon> murmel, os_prober is enabled
[12:29] <murmel> MonsieurBon: does os-prober find your windows install? sudo os-prober
[12:29] <arraybolt3[m]> MonsieurBon: Can you do "sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.crg" and see if that fixes it?
[12:30] <MonsieurBon> murmel, yes
[12:30] <murmel> arraybolt3[m]: on deb/ubuntu we use update-grub
[12:30] <arraybolt3[m]> murmel: OK, good to know, I've always done grub-mkconfig. I'll look into update-grub.
[12:31] <murmel> arraybolt3[m]: it's just an alias for that command ;)
[12:33] <MonsieurBon> murmel, perfect, I think everything's back to normal!
[12:34] <murmel> MonsieurBon: nice
[12:35] <MonsieurBon> murmel, thx for your help
[13:12] <Demosthenex> wide open question. i'm using a yubikey in ubuntu just fine. i'm using a citrix receiver to try and use the yubikey on a remote windoze VDI. the remote VDI sees the key via CAPI, it can query the certificate. however it fails to see the smartcard. i've tried running pcscd on ubuntu, it didn't seem to help. any ideas?
[13:17] <Psil0Cybin> thanks @Kow
[13:17] <Psil0Cybin> i got voiced eh?
[13:20] <Psil0Cybin> 🦕
[13:21] <mybalzitch> nope
[13:22] <mybalzitch> Can I program cpu fan curves for my amd ryzen 3xxx series cpu inside ubuntu/kde?
[13:59] <noarb> is there a way to undo `ip link set dev <dev> address <mac>`? I don't see any unset option. The permaddr is still available with ip link... is awk the best way?
[13:59] <neff> Hello guys.We have a problem with ubuntu on AMD A8-9600.Then PC is load we have AMD-Vi IOAPIC[1] not in IVRS table.Bios is updated,we can't disable IOMMU in bios,there is no option in bios/UEFI on this PC.After amd_iommu_dump=1 we reach command line,but can't start X.
[14:01] <arraybolt3[m]> neff: I'm not sure quite what's going wrong. Are you trying to do VFIO GPU passthrough?
[14:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, knowing the exact version of Ubuntu and the make and model of the computer you're using may be helpful.
[14:03] <neff> arraybolt3[m]>no we not trying passthrough
[14:04] <neff> We just trying to install it on PC
[14:04] <neff> The pc specs is >
[14:05] <neff> Processor AMD A8-9600 RADEON R7.Motherboard A320M-HCF
[14:05] <arraybolt3[m]> neff: If you're not doing passthrough, then why do you need to mess with the IOMMU? Is something else going wrong when "amd_iommu_dump" isn't used?
[14:06] <neff> We don't need it,but it that system want
[14:06] <neff> If Without this param PC not loading at all
[14:07] <neff> We tried to disable iommu at all  with iommu=off
[14:07] <neff> No results
[14:07] <arraybolt3[m]> neff: Hrm... OK, let me do some research.
[14:08] <neff> I cheked all what i can google.But nothing helps
[14:09] <neff> I thing we need to disable some kernel modules,but wich i don't understand
[14:09] <mattf> hi guys, i made the update from 20.04 to 22.04 for testing it out and it worked surprisingly well except for one weird issue. If i run emacs --version or pulseaudio --version, or try to launch or build something that depends on those libs i keep getting these: http://ix.io/409r  undefined symbol error. However if if i login to the same shell from ssh or simply run "newgrp" those problems get fixed, but doesn't matter if i reboot or
[14:09] <mattf> launch a new terminal inside the X session or tty i have that problem. And ive rebooted many times. What is going on here
[14:09] <arraybolt3[m]> neff: I think I found the instructions for disabling the IOMMU.
[14:10] <neff> Where&
[14:10] <neff> ?
[14:10] <arraybolt3[m]> https://download.gigabyte.com/FileList/Manual/mb_manual_ga-a320m-h_e_1201.pdf Page 30, near the bottom.
[14:10] <arraybolt3[m]> Turn off the IOMMU, then set "iommu=soft" in your kernel command line and see if that does it.
[14:10] <mattf> paste correction -> http://ix.io/409s
[14:11] <neff> "iommu=soft" tried not works
[14:11] <arraybolt3[m]> neff: Are you able to turn off the IOMMU with the link I gave?
[14:13] <tomreyn> neff: which ubuntu variant and version are you trying to install on it?
[14:14] <neff> 22.04 standart
[14:14] <tomreyn> desktop?
[14:16] <arraybolt3[m]> neff: Another thing you might try on your kernel command line is amdgpu.runpm=0
[14:16] <tomreyn> mattf: did you reboot after the upgrade? are you using PPA?
[14:16] <mattf> many reboots
[14:16] <tomreyn> * PPAs
[14:16] <mattf> no ppas
[14:16] <mattf> i made a huge cleanup
[14:16] <mattf> and reinstall
[14:17] <tomreyn> reinstall meaning a fresh install?
[14:17] <mattf> tomreyn: please realize that those applicatiosn are working, it is a problem on my shell it seems
[14:17] <mattf> if i run newgrp it gets fixed, if i run from a launcher like albert or rofi emacs opens fine, from ssh it is also working
[14:17] <mattf> but if i reboot it is not fixed
[14:18] <tomreyn> what's your custom shell there?
[14:18] <neff> <arraybolt3[m] I don't think is GPU issue
[14:18] <neff> It's virtualization.
[14:19] <mattf> tomreyn: zsh
[14:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Just try it, I found it in a bug report about AMD Ryzen IOMMU problems.
[14:19] <arraybolt3[m]> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1747463
[14:19] <mattf> could this be some sort of weird env variables
[14:20] <tomreyn> mattf: and it works with bash?
[14:20] <mattf> no
[14:20] <arraybolt3[m]> mattf: Random shot in the dark, is LD_PRELOAD set weird?
[14:20] <tomreyn> maybe you are LD_PRELOAD'ing
[14:20] <mattf> arraybolt3[m]: no im not, just checked
[14:21] <tomreyn> mattf: what does this print:   apt list --installed | grep ',local]$' 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:21] <neff> Well we continue diging
[14:21] <tomreyn> neff: how is virtualization involved there?
[14:22] <neff> Look.IOMMU is system that makes virtualization.It helps to make transfer between real and virtual memory for example
[14:23] <neff> I am not pro guy
[14:23] <tomreyn> are you installing ubuntu 22.04 on the bare metal or is there a virtualization layer in between?
[14:23] <arraybolt3[m]> tomreyn: AMD's IOMMU combined with the AMD graphics is causing Linux to crash for we dunno why. The bug report has the mess.
[14:23] <neff> So i can't explane it to you good
[14:23] <arraybolt3[m]> At least I dunno why.
[14:23] <neff> But virtualization is involved
[14:23] <oerheks> arraybolt3[m], pretty old bugreport for 18.04 beta..
[14:23] <tomreyn> arraybolt3[m]: the bug report you pointed to is for cosmic for an amd ryzen first generation cpu
[14:24] <oerheks> ah, virtualisation.. you should mention that
[14:24] <oerheks> neff, how much memory did you allocate for the vm?
[14:24] <arraybolt3[m]> It looked like close to the right processor, and it's still not marked as fixed, so I thought maybe it was relevant.
[14:24] <mattf> tomreyn: hah i found out, LD_LIBRARY_PATH is being set.... now i have to found out why but that is it
 NO VM INVOLVED
[14:25] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: He's not using a VM. Virtualization technology is throwing a wrench in the works for some unknown reason.
 But virtualization is involved ?? explain please?
[14:25] <tomreyn> mattf: okay, at least i got close ;)
[14:25] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: IOMMU go boom
[14:25] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: Makes Linux not boot
 The modern OSes use virtualization to protect memmory
[14:25] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: Why IOMMU is interfering with Linux, only the guts of the system knows, and probably even it doesn't know why.
[14:25] <tomreyn> arraybolt3[m]: is there an error message printed on screen when you boot the installer normally?
[14:26] <arraybolt3[m]> tomreyn: You probably wanted to direct that at neff.
[14:26] <tomreyn> neff: is there an error message printed on screen when you boot the installer normally?
[14:26] <neff> Yes it's installed without any known errors
[14:26] <tomreyn> arraybolt3[m]: that's right, sorry :)
[14:26] <neff> But on boot makes mess
[14:27] <tomreyn> neff: is there an error message printed on screen when you boot the installed system the first time, normally?
[14:27] <tomreyn> if not, what else happens that is not expected?
[14:28] <arraybolt3[m]> neff: I'm wondering if maybe this isn't the fault of the IOMMU after all, since the installer boots. Perhaps you're trying to install the proprietary drivers when you install Ubuntu? If so, try not installing them, or if you're not installing them, try installing them.
[14:28] <neff> tomreyn we have an error message and then system freezes
[14:28] <arraybolt3[m]> tomreyn: Their system won't boot.
[14:28] <tomreyn> neff: what does the error message say?
[14:29] <tomreyn> arraybolt3[m]: that's what i've gathered so far, but we need more details than that
[14:29] <arraybolt3[m]> neff: You can take a picture of it with your phone, upload it to Imgur, and send the link.
[14:29] <neff> AMD-Vi [Firmware Bug]:IOAPIC[1] not in IVRS table
[14:30] <tomreyn> neff: does this also happen after you load manufacturer defaults in bios?
[14:30] <neff> Guys - AMD Vi - IS virtualization
[14:31] <neff> AMD I/O Virtualization Technology (IOMMU)
[14:32] <tomreyn> neff: this is a CPU / bios feature to allow for improved I/O virtualization. but whether or not that's enabled should not normally change whether or not your bare metal installation boots.
[14:33] <tomreyn> especially since you're not actually doing virtualization, from what we have gathered so far, but are just installing ubuntu 22.04 LTS on bare metal.
[14:33] <tomreyn> virtualization would be when you'd run a second operating system below ubuntu
[14:34] <arraybolt3[m]> tomreyn: I found the post on how to fix the problem, but it's tricky: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2254677
[14:34] <arraybolt3[m]> It's a BIOS bug, and a doozy of a bug, too. Some sort of table is broken, and you have to figure out where the BIOS writers botched it and then patch it yourself with some Linux options.
[14:35] <arraybolt3[m]> neff: Is that "AMD-Vi [Firmware Bug]" error the only one you see, or are there multiple lines like that? If there's multiple lines, can you show them all?
[14:36] <tomreyn> arraybolt3[m]: yes, that's well possible. i'm not yet sure whether this is the actual issue that's cuasing the system to fail to boot, or just yet another issue.
[14:36] <neff> Only
[14:36] <tomreyn> !bootlog | neff
[14:37] <neff> I check it thank you!
[14:37] <arraybolt3[m]> I see, because all that does is get the IOMMU working, it's not something a user should usually have to do.
[14:37] <arraybolt3[m]> tomreyn: Brilliant, that will show us the exact kernel panic message (if the kernel is panicking).
[14:38] <tomreyn> hopefully so, yes
[14:38] <arraybolt3[m]> neff: You'll have a hard time typing the whole message, so if you have a camera, taking a picture of the mess on your screen and then sending it will make things easy.
[14:38] <tomreyn> a broken iommu configuration is obviously a very bad indication, too, but *may* not be why it's actually failing to boot
[14:39] <tomreyn> neff: you can share images with us by uploading them to imgur.com and then posting the http address ehre
[14:39] <tomreyn> here
[14:41] <yte3> is it normal that when a process eats all available memory (ram+swap) then it is killed including its parent process which would be the terminal?
[14:41] <yte3> I've seen the terminal crashing, and it took me a few times before realizing the compiler was eating all of the memory, as I could not see the proper error message of why the process was terminated
[14:41] <yte3> (this is only happening on 22.04, not on 20.04)
[14:42] <arraybolt3[m]> yte3: Sounds like you're hitting the notorious systemd-oomd issue.
[14:43] <yte3> arraybolt3[m]: it looks very likely. but what's the point of killing the terminal?
[14:43] <yte3> isn't killing the "bad" process enough?
[14:43] <arraybolt3[m]> Anyone here know how to disable systemd-oomd? Give the info to yte3, I think it will fix the issue he's experiencing.
[14:44] <tomreyn> neff: you wrote this is a "Motherboard A320M-HCF". which company is this from?
[14:44] <yte3> arraybolt3[m]: no, I don't need to disable systemd-oomd. I just needed to add more swap space
[14:44] <arraybolt3[m]> yte3: systemd-oomd looks at the processes to kill differently than the kernel OOM killer. It attacks an entire cgroup (dunno what all that means). So rather than killing one browser tab, you kill the whole browser. And presumably, rather than killing just the compiler, you also chuck the terminal. -_-
[14:45] <arraybolt3[m]> yte3: Oh, that makes sense. Do you already know how to do that?
[14:45] <yte3> arraybolt3[m]: yes, that fixed my oom issue
[14:45] <yte3> arraybolt3[m] my point is that killing the terminal is probably not desired
[14:45] <yte3> normally, killing the oom process should be enough
[14:45] <yte3> but I don't know the details of oomd either
[14:46] <ioria> yte3, https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/06/ubuntu-22-04-systemd-oom-killing-apps
[14:46] <arraybolt3[m]> yte3: Yeah. There's a whole entire thread of people trying to figure out what to do with systemd-oomd. I can bring up this problem on that thread (I think), and I believe I can forward the whole thread to you if you'd like.
[14:46] <tomreyn> neff: okay, this one apparently: https://linux-hardware.org/?view=computers&type=desktop&vendor=Gigabyte+Technology&model=A320M-H-CF
[14:48] <yte3> ioria, arraybolt3[m]: thanks for the pointer. that article mentions two bugs. I'll see if it makes sense to add a comment with my usecase
[14:48] <ioria> yte3, ok
[14:51] <tomreyn> neff: the bios update page for this mainboard says "NO Bristol Ridge processors support" for all *updated (but not for the original) BIOS versions.
[14:52] <tomreyn> neff: your CPU IS a bristol ridge generation CPU
[14:53] <arraybolt3[m]> tomreyn: Wow, so they released a BIOS update that got rid of CPU support? That's a new one for me.
[14:53] <oerheks> oh good spot, tomreyn
[14:54] <tomreyn> arraybolt3[m]: it's either that or they missed to also note it for the original release. but seems like it can be worth a try. the A320 chipset is the very first there was for ryzen
[14:55] <tomreyn> and apparently to provide compatibility for newer CPUs they had to drop bristol ridge
[15:02] <tomreyn> neff: so, yes, you have an older cpu, which was only supported on the first release of the bios for this mainboard, you will need to downgrade the bios to the original version.
[15:38] <dajju> hello
[15:45] <oerheks> :-)
[15:46] <transhumanist> HI! I am getting this error with sudo https://www.sudo.ws/repos/sudo/rev/8c6eaa503793 , whats the best way to handle this for Ubuntu 22.04?
[15:47] <oerheks> transhumanist, explain please?
[15:48] <oerheks> what command did you use? is it mecurial ?
[15:48] <transhumanist> sudo -u  ./uml-install-11-Inner.sh  >> results in  sudo: error initializing audit plugin sudoers_audit
[15:49] <transhumanist> host file looks like this https://bpa.st/2KMA
[15:50] <oerheks> sudo -u .. why change user?
[15:50] <oerheks> and what user?
[15:51] <KBar> oerheks: IIRC if arg is omitted for the -u option, the default is root
[15:51] <transhumanist> instead of doing sudo -s I want the script to run with users environment not as roots enviornment
[15:52] <dauggy> hi Folks! how to add this package as an apt repository? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-sushi
[15:52] <depesz> transhumanist: sudo -E ?
[15:52] <dauggy> the version currently offerred by default is broken
[15:52] <KBar> dauggy: for 20.04 its in universe repository. Enable it from GUI
[15:53] <oerheks> if one wants to run that script as user, drop the sudo?
[15:53] <dauggy> KBar: how to do that?
[15:53] <KBar> dauggy: Software & Updates, tick "blah-blah-blah (universe)"
[15:54] <KBar> then `sudo apt update && sudo apt install gnome-sushi`
[15:54] <transhumanist> that appears to work so far depesz thanks
[15:54] <tomreyn> KBar: i think that if you specify, for sudo, -u, then you also need to specify the target user. you can omit -u targetuser altogether and run as root, though.
[15:54] <dauggy> yeah the thing is they provide the old version
[15:54] <dauggy> I had that ticked
[15:56] <tomreyn> dauggy: which ubuntu version are you running there?
[15:56] <dauggy> 20.04
[15:56] <tomreyn> dauggy: what's the output of    apt policy snome-sushi 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:57] <tomreyn> dauggy: what's the output of    apt policy gnome-sushi 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:57] <tomreyn> ^ typo fixed
[15:57] <dauggy> tomreyn: apt policy gnome-sushi 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:58] <dauggy> https://termbin.com/80a4
[15:58] <tomreyn> dauggy: so version 3.34.0-2 is available on your 20.04 LTS 'focal' system. And the page you pointed to offers the exact same version for 'focal'
[15:59] <dauggy> right, and I'd like to have the very latest one: 41.2-1 hoping they fixed the bug there
[16:00] <KBar> dauggy: that's like wanting a lambo engine on a ford truck. try backports mb?
[16:00] <tomreyn> dauggy: did you mean to ask "how do i install gnome-sushi version 41.2-1 on my Ubuntu 20.04 LTS system?"
[16:00] <dauggy> tomreyn: yes!
[16:00] <tomreyn> !latest | dauggy
[16:01] <dauggy> tomreyn: ah, I see the difference
[16:01] <KBar> dauggy: try `apt-get install -t focal-backports gnome-sushi`. may break your system
[16:01] <tomreyn> dauggy: the newer version would mostly likely not be fully compatible to the version of nautilus / gnome files / the gnome-shell you have now.
[16:01] <dauggy> I see, many thanks! Will wait until summer to upgrade to newest lts
[16:02] <tomreyn> dauggy: you could also file a bug report, and look for existing bug reports
[16:03] <tomreyn> 20.04 has a good while to live. it's a universe package, so there's no guarantee that soemone will fix it in 20.04, but there's a chance.
[16:04] <dauggy> I saw the bug open in the gitlab  repository of the package, so maintainers must be aware of it. Thanks once more
[16:04] <KBar> well, fwiw its changelog suggests it's quite "lively"
[16:07] <tomreyn> dauggy: i don't necessarily want to convince you to file a bug against ubuntu, too, but to see this fixed in 20.04, just the upstream (gneom) developers fixing it would not be enough, because this fix would not land in 20.04 automatically (because the package version there is older)
[16:07] <tomreyn> but with a bug filed against the focal package, there would be a chance that someone would backport this fix into 20.04's version.
[16:09] <dauggy> I see, my point was rather, that assuming the maintainer knows about the bug they would take care of of that themselves, no?
[16:10] <tomreyn> dauggy: that would be unusual unless they were also the package maintainer in ubuntu
[16:10] <KBar> depends on the severity of the bug
[16:10] <tomreyn> which is probably not the case for much gnome-like stuff.
[16:11] <KBar> if fixing the bug requires implementing additional features or bumping up its deps, its most likely not going to get backported
[16:13] <tomreyn> dauggy: sorry, you were probably referring to the ubuntu package maintainer, not the upstream software maintainer (which is what I understood). i second KBar's response then.
[16:14] <dauggy> hmm, I'm using linux for a few years now and still didn't come to appriciate how complex the development pipline is. This is a gnome extension which development is indepent from gnome, which is indepenent from ubuntu itself, but is still would need to file a bug with ubuntu for them to backport the fix, correct?
[16:16] <dauggy> there should be some central entity for managing this sort of things
[16:17] <tomreyn> dauggy: i very much doubt that it does not depend on gnome libs
[16:18] <tomreyn> after all its release versions seem to follow that of the gnome project
[16:18] <KBar> gnome is upstream, like debian. ubuntu release cycle is every 6 months which includes 6 stages. lts is every 2 years. there is no central entity, per se, especially in ubuntu. in debian, they have designated teams for various components.
[16:18] <ioria> gnome-sushi is  an extension  ?
[16:19] <tomreyn> "Sushi is a DBus-activated service. For Sushi to popup, applications will have to call the ShowFile method on the org.gnome.NautilusPreviewer interface."
[16:21] <tomreyn> that's from https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/sushi/tree/master/ - and makes me think it integrates with nautilus, and gnome, and one version of gnome-sushi will probably not work with every version of nautilus and (therefore) gnome
[16:22] <tomreyn> (but i can be wrong)
[16:22] <KBar> well, if its a trivial patch, then it might get included for focal
[16:23] <dauggy> Do you know of any quick preview solution for ubuntu? Gnome-sushi was resembling perfectly the mac os in that regard
[16:23] <dauggy> *any other
[16:24] <KBar> dauggy: there is tumbler from Xfce
[16:24] <KBar> check it out and see if it fits your taste
[16:24] <dauggy> do I need to install xfce in order to use it?
[16:24] <KBar> no
[16:24] <ioria> dauggy, what's the bug you're experiencing ?
[16:25] <KBar> not the whole desktop. it has its own deps, but its not core so it wont pull things like libxfce4ui and libxfce4util
[16:25] <dauggy> ioria: (sushi:11527): Gjs-WARNING **: 18:25:24.920: JS ERROR: Unable to create DBus proxy for NautilusPreviewer: Gio.DBusError: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.NautilusPreviewer: Process org.gnome.NautilusPreviewer exited with status 1
[16:26] <dauggy> KBar: many thanks, will try it out
[16:26] <ioria> i see, so basically .. it's not working ? dauggy
[16:26] <dauggy> ioria: yeah :( but it used to
[16:26] <dauggy> just stopped after one of the updates
[16:27] <KBar> dauggy: looks like you have another service
[16:27] <ioria> i remember a severe bug on 20.10 but not on 20.04  ...
[16:27] <KBar> trying to connect to that bus
[16:27] <KBar> but i have no broad idea of how dbus works
[16:27] <dauggy> hmm, how to deal with that?
[16:28] <ioria> dauggy, have you tried to purge and reinstall ?
[16:28] <KBar> dauggy: more debugging info. does it have debug option/flag?
[16:28] <dauggy> sure i did
[16:29] <KBar> ^+1 did you try `apt purge gnome-sushi` instead of `apt remove`?
[16:29] <dauggy> hmm, I will try now, what's the difference between purge and remove?
[16:30] <dauggy> nothing changed after purging and installing again
[16:30] <dauggy> and it doesn't have debug options :(
[16:30] <KBar> purge also removes various config files and leftovers (excluding files in user's home directory)
[16:30] <dauggy> thanks
[16:31] <ioria> dauggy, apt install --reinstall libmusicbrainz5-dev
[16:31] <dauggy> ioria: still the same
[16:31] <KBar> dauggy: is it supposed to autostart? (start on bootup that is)
[16:32] <dauggy> i guess so, it's a stupid file previewer :D
[16:32] <KBar> dauggy: also, you cant start it now at all?
[16:33] <dauggy> yeah, that's the error I'm getting while running the sushi command manually, when pressing space bar in file manager it just fails silently
[16:33] <KBar> dauggy: does it spit out to `journalctl -f`?
[16:34] <KBar> dauggy: also, gui services log their activity to ~/.xsession-errors
[16:34] <KBar> check there
[16:34] <dauggy> KBar: it does:
[16:34] <dauggy> Jun 14 18:33:58 t15 dbus-daemon[1133]: [session uid=1000 pid=1133] Activating service name='org.gnome.NautilusPreviewer' requested by ':1.163' (uid=1000 pid=12288 comm="/usr/bin/gjs /usr/local/bin/sushi Wojciech-Kulma-M")
[16:34] <ioria> dauggy, not even fixed in 41.1 (22.04)
[16:34] <dauggy> Jun 14 18:33:58 t15 org.gnome.Nauti[12297]: JS ERROR: SyntaxError: expected property name, got '{' @ resource:///org/gnome/NautilusPreviewer/js/viewers/html.js:63
[16:34] <dauggy> Jun 14 18:33:58 t15 org.gnome.Nauti[12297]: Script /usr/local/libexec/org.gnome.NautilusPreviewer threw an exception
[16:34] <dauggy> Jun 14 18:33:58 t15 dbus-daemon[1133]: [session uid=1000 pid=1133] Activated service 'org.gnome.NautilusPreviewer' failed: Process org.gnome.NautilusPreviewer exited with status 1
[16:34] <KBar> dauggy: i think it's supposed to run as a daemon in which case it should have some kind of a debug  option
[16:34] <dauggy> Jun 14 18:33:58 t15 dbus-daemon[1133]: [session uid=1000 pid=1133] Activating service name='org.gnome.NautilusPreviewer' requested by ':1.163' (uid=1000 pid=12288 comm="/usr/bin/gjs /usr/local/bin/sushi Wojciech-Kulma-M")
[16:34] <KBar> dauggy: use termbin.com
[16:34] <dauggy> Jun 14 18:33:58 t15 org.gnome.Nauti[12297]: JS ERROR: SyntaxError: expected property name, got '{' @ resource:///org/gnome/NautilusPreviewer/js/viewers/html.js:63
[16:34] <dauggy> Jun 14 18:33:58 t15 org.gnome.Nauti[12297]: Script /usr/local/libexec/org.gnome.NautilusPreviewer threw an exception
[16:34] <dauggy> Jun 14 18:33:58 t15 dbus-daemon[1133]: [session uid=1000 pid=1133] Activated service 'org.gnome.NautilusPreviewer' failed: Process org.gnome.NautilusPreviewer exited with status 1
[16:35] <KBar> *sigh*
[16:36] <ioria> dauggy, you probably need 41.2 (but not available, unless you build it)
[16:36] <KBar> yeah, looks like a buggy method call but as i said, idk how dbus works. can someone explain how to start dbus services manually
[16:37] <ioria> dbus-send --session --type=method_call --dest etc .etc
[16:37] <KBar> gdbus might be better. it has bash completion
[16:38] <KBar> i guess d-feet might also help debug?
[16:38] <ioria> i remember d-feet
[16:40] <KBar> weird name innit? :D
[17:23] <KBar> is there a command to query the apt/dpkg database remotely? analogous to dpkg-query, but not local. essentially a CLI front-end for packages.ubuntu.com or something similar
[17:24] <tomreyn> KBar: rmadison in devtools
[17:25] <tomreyn> devscripts
[17:25] <KBar> tomreyn: hehe thanks!
[17:26] <tomreyn> :)
[17:26] <neff> well i givup.Solved problem with IOMMU.Now stuck with display manager
[17:26] <neff> Black screen blank cursor no error nothing happens
[17:27] <KBar> neff: can you switch to virtual terminal?
[17:27] <neff> Yes
[17:27] <KBar> neff: what does systemd say?
[17:27] <KBar> it could be a dozen of reasons
[17:27] <KBar> *one of
[17:28] <KBar> neff but please use a pastebin
[17:29] <neff> I think we just unstall something else.I don't have mood for this.I help to guy via discord,so i can't reach PC and all this "show me" stuff take all day long...
[17:30] <neff> I give up
[17:30] <KBar> tomreyn: afaict this script queries for a specific package, right? it doesnt seem to have an option to query all packages for a specific criteria
[17:31] <KBar> not necessarily grepping in name/descriptions
[17:34] <tomreyn> KBar: oh, you're right there. this would only work with apt-file, and only if you had the repective data files downloaded.
[17:35] <tomreyn> KBar: you can also    ssh somesystem apt search something    of course - so much for 'remotely'
[17:37] <tomreyn> KBar: and apt-file sctually searches the contents of packages, so it's not the same either.
[17:37] <KBar> tomreyn: i want to query the whole database for what package systems they all uses, but it seems like it's a daunting task
[17:37] <KBar> s/uses/use
[17:40] <tomreyn> KBar: what i discussed above are the only options i'm aware of other than actually mirroring the full repo metadata for all releases / distros you want to search.
[17:42] <KBar> the closest is `apt-cache` i guess. thanks
[17:45] <tomreyn> that's effectively what 'apt search' does
[17:45] <ioria> KBar, you can query directly https://packages.ubuntu.com/ ; idk what are you looking for but e.g :  curl -s https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/sudo  | tr -d '\n' | grep -oP '(?<=<ul class="uldep"> ).*?(?= </ul>)' | grep -Po '(?<=href=")[^"]*' | sed 's/\/focal\///g'
[17:46] <ioria> KBar, that cmd will retrieve the dependencies for sudo
[17:47] <tomreyn> neff: how did you solve the iommu issue, though?
[17:53] <moffa> is there an easy way to troubleshoot why a systemd service isn't starting?  It's enabled and all of the Requires & After targets are active. If I manually start it, it works fine. It's just not automatically starting
[17:55] <ioria> moffa, juournalctl -u
[17:55] <ioria> moffa, journalctl -u
[17:56] <moffa> It only has the service stopped before a reboot. Nothing about it starting again.  I went through all dependenices manually and they are active - I just can't figure out why it wont start
[17:57] <oerheks> moffa, maybe pastebin your systemd file ?
[17:58] <ioria> moffa, does it wants network,  a graphic target ... what does  it need to start ? mraning what does it do ?
[17:58] <ioria> *meaning
[17:58] <oerheks> without ubuntu version, what service and service file, hard to tell, also output of journalctrl - u would give us a clue
[17:58] <oerheks> why would you hide such important info?
[17:58] <KBar> its all gnomes
[18:02] <moffa> Its Ubuntu 20.04, I was using my own deluge.service I could paste it but it'd be a little messy.  The last lines of journalctl have Stopped Deluge Daemon \n deluged.service: consumed 1h 9m 8.202 s CPU time
[18:02] <KBar> moffa use paste.ubuntu.com or termbin.com
[18:02] <oerheks> a little messy
[18:03] <KBar> oerheks: is that the lionel one? :p
[18:16] <KBar> i think i found a tool for what i wanted: `aptly` looks promising
[18:33] <webchat34> Hello, ransomeware encrypted all the files in one of my vms, if I restore from timeshift, will it restore my vm files as well ?
[18:34] <carnophage2> do you have any old system snapshots?
[18:34] <webchat34> yup
[18:34] <webchat34> I have a snapshot from a few weeks ago
[18:34] <webchat34> malware hit it last night
[18:34] <carnophage2> well, then you've looked at that then.
[18:35] <webchat34> What ?
[18:35] <webchat34> Sorry I don't understand
[18:36] <oerheks> how do we know what your timeshift backup contains?
[18:36] <carnophage2> i was only considering that it might be more of a sure thing to restore a snapshot, but then saw by you awareness that this had most likely had already been considered, and that your timeshift backups must surely be more current.
[18:37] <oerheks> i hope your VM host was not linux
[18:37] <webchat34> oerheks: i made a full backup with timeshift
[18:37] <webchat34> all the checkmarks
[18:38] <webchat34> I am just not sure if it will restore whats inside the vm
[18:38] <tomreyn> which ubuntu release are you running, and on which system, host or the VM which got encrypted?
[18:38] <webchat34> what do you guys think ?
[18:38] <oerheks> webchat34, go try?
[18:38] <webchat34> i run ubuntu host, win11 is the guest and its files got encrypted
[18:39] <webchat34> go try ? How do I go backto..
[18:39] <webchat34> wait a minute
[18:39] <webchat34> I just figured it out
[18:39] <webchat34> I make a snapshot of system as is
[18:39] <webchat34> and restore from older snapshot
[18:39] <oerheks> whatever is in your win11 timeshift backup, is not an ubuntu support issue
[18:39] <webchat34> if it doesnt work, I restore to newer snapshot
[18:40] <webchat34> I have a backup of ubuntu, not the vm
[18:40] <webchat34> the vm is on the partition the ubuntu is
[18:42] <oerheks> so, your win11 vm is now encrypted by malware, but you have no backup?
[18:42] <webchat34> yes
[18:42] <ravage> rip :)
[18:42] <oerheks> webchat34, go see ##windows for this, hilarious.
[18:43] <webchat34> but I have a full backup of the host ubuntu which contains the windows vm
[18:43] <ravage> then restore it from that backup. I'm not sure what you are asking really
[18:43] <webchat34> This is a strictly ubuntu question: Does UBUNTU backup restore the vm files ?
 but I have a full backup of the host ubuntu which contains the windows vm
[18:44] <ravage> if your vm storage is a file and your backup includes the path to that file then probably yes
[18:44] <oerheks> so yes, you restore the full thingy, including possible malware.
[18:44] <oerheks> who knowss when you got infected.
[18:45] <webchat34> Thanks
[18:45] <webchat34> Well, true, but at least I have the files I can try to save them and then remove the vm
[18:45] <webchat34> Or burn it to a flash drive and send it to bil gates
[18:46] <webchat34> but the last one is not a "ubuntu support issue" :D
[18:49] <axsuul> I'm looking to prepend some text to the bash prompt for every single user (e.g. add the current environment, staging, production to make it more explicit). What would be a good way to do this globally?
[19:01] <tomreyn> axsuul: editing the PS1 environment variable both existing users (in their ~/.bashrc) and for future users in /etc/skel
[19:03] <axsuul> tomreyn: gotcha, thanks!
[19:54] <jhutchins> axsuul: https://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/
[20:40] <hemm333> where can i go for tor support?
[20:41] <jhutchins> hemm333: Support for what?
[20:42] <oerheks> there is #tor on Libera. Official channel is #tor on OFTC https://www.oftc.net/
[20:43] <xernus> Using the liveserver to build an image creates a quite large image with a lot of packages in it even with no software installs defined in user-data. I cannot find any docs on how to build a very minimal install - kind of like whats inside of the cloudimage. Does anyone have any pointers on how to do that, or do I simply need a post-install-script that strips away packages?
[20:45] <ravage> xernus, try #ubuntu-server
[20:45] <xernus> ravage: thx, i will try
[20:50] <jhutchins> !minimal
[20:51] <oerheks> maybe ubuntu core  https://ubuntu.com/core
[20:52] <hemm333> can i gain help in this channel from non ubuntu oriented thins? for example, setting up a deep web irc server?
[20:52] <hemm333> *things
[20:52] <ravage> no
[20:53] <oerheks> more likely #ubuntu-server, but i guess it will be hard to find dark web specialists
[20:53] <hemm333> is #tor even active? it doesn't seem alive
[20:54] <oerheks> good luck in the #tor channels on oftc
[21:17] <alex__> hello, very proud to show v0.1.3 release of deb release package for helping building ubuntu and debian packages for Ubuntu 18.04, 20.04, 22.04 and Debian systems - https://github.com/tarkhov/deb-release/releases/tag/v0.1.3 Slava Ukraini!
[21:21] <oerheks> alex__, write about it on askubuntu? advertising is considered spam here.
[21:22] <alex__> it's for community, open source and always be
[21:22] <jhutchins> oerheks: He didn't give it a name.
[21:23] <alex__> I build ubuntu and debian packages with this tool, it's my package
[21:24] <alex__> just wanna propose and help
[21:25] <oerheks> i understand, friend, and not saying anything about bad intentions or quality of the code
[21:25] <oerheks> askubuntu reaches more readers than here IRC
[21:26] <alex__> ok, sorry if I doing something wrong
[22:03] <clarkk> This is very disturbing. Is this on the devs' radar. Is there an issue to follow?  https://www.theregister.com/2022/06/10/symbiote_linux_malware/
[22:09] <ravage> what do you want the "devs" to do?
[22:10] <ravage> the article gives no information on how an infection of the system happens
[22:39] <jhutchins> clarkk: Do you subscribe to CVE announcements?
[23:47] <josh40> hello guys i've used linux since 1995-2007
[23:50] <josh40> may I get a voice ?
[23:51] <josh40> nvm
[23:51] <tomreyn> hi josh40, you have a voice already, you're talking
[23:51] <tomreyn> but this is a support channel only nowadays, we also have #ubuntu-offtopic for chat
[23:52] <josh40> i've noticed


[00:35] <Unit193> io: Helloooooo, can you update !isitout? :D
[00:35] <io> !isitout
[00:35] <io> but it is out
[00:35] <io> Unit193: what would you like it to say?
[00:38] <TheLordOfTime> Unit193:  i'm assuming something along the lines of Saucy not being released yet is what you want it to say, right?
[00:38] <Unit193> Well, of course I'd like "<reply>No, it'll be out when it's out, and not a moment sooner!"  but I suppose something like "<reply>The 19th release of Ubuntu, Saucy Salamander, will be out in October of 2013."
[00:38] <Unit193> TheLordOfTime: Nah, that Edgy is out, of course.
[00:39] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[00:39] <Unit193> :D
[00:39] <TheLordOfTime> I think the second of your recommendations is better, less of an attitude on it, and more actual information
[00:39] <TheLordOfTime> come October, we could probably make it say "It'll be out when it's out" or something
[00:39] <Unit193> I like the first, more fun. :D
[00:40]  * TheLordOfTime shrugs
[00:40] <io> ubottu: isitout is <reply>The 19th release of Ubuntu, Saucy Salamander, will be out in October of 2013.
[00:40] <io> !no isitout is <reply>The 19th release of Ubuntu, Saucy Salamander, will be out in October of 2013.
[00:40] <io> !isitout
[00:40] <Unit193> Danke.
[00:40] <io> sure thing
[00:41] <Unit193> See?  Even with a nick change, can't hide. :P
[00:41] <io> I really think you need to get edit rights
[00:41] <io> this would save you so much time :)
[00:42] <io> I changed nick today because I had twelve attempts at login on this nick
[00:42] <Unit193> What's bad is when you aren't online!
[00:42] <Unit193> Hah. :D
[00:43] <TheLordOfTime> io:  heh
[00:46] <Unit193> (Also, this way there is some peer review.)
[00:50] <io> Unit193: We can check and see who did the last edit in case someone did put something that shouldn't be there :)
[00:50] <io> But if you don't trust yourself I guess neither should we :P
[00:50] <TheLordOfTime> hah


[02:35] <andersk> Would anyone be willing to look at this one-line patch to the kernel postinst?   I rather not!


[01:27] <doafsaeoi> i was kicked off for no reason
[01:28] <jrib> doafsaeoi: do you know what #ubuntu is for?
[01:28] <doafsaeoi> yes it is to talk
[01:28] <jrib> doafsaeoi: yes, about what?
[01:28] <doafsaeoi> ubuntu
[01:28] <jrib> doafsaeoi: ubuntu *support*
[01:28] <doafsaeoi> but they not talk about it
[01:29] <jrib> doafsaeoi: we're talking about you
[01:29] <doafsaeoi> they were talk about cd tray
[01:29] <doafsaeoi> but why they get to and not me
[01:29] <doafsaeoi> we need to be fair
[01:29] <jrib> doafsaeoi: common misconception
[01:30] <jrib> doafsaeoi: anyway, what was the question you were going to ask in #ubuntu about support?
[01:30] <doafsaeoi> are you black man?
[01:30] <jrib> doafsaeoi: I am not
[01:30] <doafsaeoi> i need to ask it to them
[01:30] <jrib> doafsaeoi: okay, assume I am then
[01:31] <doafsaeoi> no you are nto black negro
[01:31] <jrib> doafsaeoi: anything else you want to discuss?
[01:31] <doafsaeoi> I WANT TO GET BACK AND ASK MY QUESTION LIKE EVEY ELSE
[01:32] <doafsaeoi> AND I DONT WANT TO SK THE LIKES OF YOU
[01:32] <jrib> doafsaeoi: stop with the caps please
[01:32] <doafsaeoi> listen to me dummy
[01:33] <doafsaeoi> i need to ask question
[01:33] <jrib> doafsaeoi: questions dependent on race aren't appropriate for #ubuntu
[01:33] <doafsaeoi> i wasnt asking a question about race
[01:33] <jrib> doafsaeoi: I didn't say you were
[01:34] <doafsaeoi> you have hard time understand with your small brain
[01:34] <doafsaeoi> it not "dependent" on race
[01:34] <doafsaeoi> i want to ask a certain type of person
[01:34] <doafsaeoi> the question not neccessarily relate
[01:34] <doafsaeoi> AND NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS
[01:35] <jrib> doafsaeoi: just so I understand (as I have a small brain), you want me to let you ask a question in #ubuntu (a channel I am in) but do not want to tell me the question?
[01:36] <doafsaeoi> you dont know the answer dummy
[01:36] <jrib> !guidelines > doafsaeoi
[01:37] <jrib> doafsaeoi: please be respectful of others
[01:37] <doafsaeoi> why do i  need to talk to these underlings
[01:37] <jrib> doafsaeoi: anyway, I don't believe that you really want to ask a support question.    It concerns you.
[01:43] <doafsaeoi> I UNDERSTAND
[01:44] <jrib> doafsaeoi: stop with the caps...
[01:44] <doafsaeoi> the same rules must be applied to everyone equally
[01:44] <doafsaeoi> you can't have guidelines that only apply to me
[01:45] <jrib> doafsaeoi: let me know when/if you want to discuss your ban
[01:45] <doafsaeoi> i told you already
[01:45] <doafsaeoi> if i am doing the same thing as everyone else
[01:46] <doafsaeoi> i should not be banned for it
[01:46] <jrib> doafsaeoi: other people are *not* doing the same thing
[01:46] <doafsaeoi> what did i do different
[01:47] <doafsaeoi> "Some examples of touchy subjects are war, race, religion, politics, gender, sexuality, drugs, potentially illegal activities and suicide. Discussions on these subjects regularly upset people, so please be aware and drop a discussion if you are asked."
[01:47] <doafsaeoi> that implies that a warning is neccessary
[01:47] <doafsaeoi> also , those other subjects are often discussed
[01:48] <doafsaeoi> "This is not a blanket ban on any and all mention of these topics, however common sense is compulsory. Please be respectful and take the discussion elsewhere if someone takes exception."
[01:48] <Flannel> doafsaeoi: #ubuntu is a support channel, *all* of those topics are offtopic in #ubuntu.
[01:49] <doafsaeoi> but is immediate banning an appropriate response?
[01:49] <Flannel> doafsaeoi: In your case, yeah, it was warranted, because the way you started out in the channel was not only offtopic, but it wasn't appropriate in general.
[01:50] <jrib> doafsaeoi: sometimes, when it's clear someone is intentionally trying to cause trouble, yes.    HAha
[02:34] <Flannel> Meh.  Not exactly the most helpful person in a query either
[03:20] <Flannel> !ops | #u banlist is full
[03:23] <Flannel> Hmmm
[03:25] <elky> Well if the clone floods would go jump in to a volcano, this wouldn't be a problem :P
[03:25] <elky> they're hitting up oftc too
[03:33] <elky> all the floodbots still have like a billion exemptions
[03:34] <elky> all of floodbot1's exemptions should go
[03:36] <elky> likewise floodbot2 and floodbot4, half of floodbot3's are more than a week old
[03:37] <Pici> I'll take a look
[03:39] <elky> though i note floodbot4 is the current opped floodbot, so there might be some recent ones i missed with the cursory glance
[03:44] <Pici> okay, 100 exempts removed.
[03:44] <LinuxGuy2009> Could someone take a gander at a user by the name of "myrl" channel hopping, trolling, PMing many folks. Thank you.
[03:48] <Flannel> LinuxGuy2009: Taken care of
[03:48] <LinuxGuy2009> ;-)
[03:53] <Madpilot> "myrl" showed up in #ubuntu a few minutes ago...
[03:53] <Flannel> Yeah, we'll see if he decides to behave
[05:09] <rww> Hello. There's an ackt1c in #ubuntu-offtopic, and looking at my logfile it looks like an ACKT1C got kicked out of there yesterday for ban-evading. I've been offline for a little while, so I don't know if that got sorted out, but if not then they're ban evading again :\
[07:26] <dholbach> good morning
[08:59] <elky> Someone needs to educate him on reducing the enter ratio of his talking.
[11:14] <ikonia> hello Jigger
[11:14] <Jigger> Howdy ikonia
[11:15] <Jigger> How's your moms basement?
[11:15] <Jigger> Cold?
[11:15] <ikonia> ?
[11:16] <Jigger> You're on a projector screen in front of 45 people
[11:16] <Jigger> Anything to say?
[11:16] <Jigger> :)
[11:16] <ikonia> I've no idea what you're talking about, but do you need any help ?
[11:16] <Jigger> heh no
[11:16] <Jigger> Why was I forwarded here?
[11:16] <ikonia> ok, no problem, if you don't need anything would you mean leaving the channel
[11:16] <ikonia> oh, you where forwarded, one moment I'll take a look
[11:17] <ikonia> won't be a moment
[11:17] <Tm_T> ikonia: aww
[11:18] <ikonia> oh its bacta
[11:18] <ikonia> you're forwarded because you where ban dodging
[11:18] <Jigger> *were :)
[11:18] <ikonia> ok, you were
[11:19] <Jigger> ikonia, we're having a bit of a party here
[11:19] <Jigger> a 24 hour hacking challenge
[11:19] <ikonia> Jigger/bacta - guess that's cleared up now, so if you could please leave the channel that would be great.
[11:19] <Jigger> And I've got a lot of FOSS devs really interested in you
[11:19] <Jigger> They think you're a bit of a fascist ;)
[11:19] <ikonia> Jigger: could you please leave the cahnnel
[11:19] <Jigger> Their words, not mine
[11:19] <ikonia> channel
[11:20] <Jigger> No thanks
[11:20] <Jigger> Please kick me :)
[11:20] <ikonia> Tm_T:
[11:21] <Tm_T> now it's out of my hands, sorry
[11:22] <ikonia> what is ?
[11:22] <Tm_T> mr B joining channels I have no power in
[11:31] <jussi01> People are interesting...
[11:31] <Tm_T> where were the dispution process written up? it's apparently not mentioned in guidelines
[11:32] <Tm_T> found
[11:35] <Tm_T> oh boy, I should have stay silent...
[11:43] <Tm_T> suprisingly, refuses to take his problems to IRCC
[11:44] <ikonia> not really a surprise
[11:45] <Tm_T> ye
[11:46] <ikonia> I'm going to remove him from +1 as he's tried to get around hi mute in +1 with the nick jigger as he did in #ubuntu and with slamdrunk
[11:46] <ikonia> or maybe not
[11:47] <ikonia> the ip mute caught him even though he tried
[11:48] <Tm_T> 1347.46 <Jigger> I'm not submitting to your IRCC as you're all corrupt
[11:48] <Tm_T> 1347.53 <Jigger> Hence why I will continue to evade
[11:48] <ikonia> where was that ?
[11:48] <Tm_T> in PM
[11:49] <ikonia> we'll he's failing to evade
[11:49] <ikonia> and if he evades without being a problem we won't know and he won't be a problem, so it's not a problem
[11:51] <ikonia> he's sending my insults now in pm
[11:56] <Tm_T> niko: should there something to be done with him?
[11:57] <niko> let's me check that
[11:58] <elky> You missed a "what". Should is mandatory at this point.
[12:00] <ikonia> 11:49 <Bacta> Been busy you little freak?
[12:00] <ikonia> it's just uncalled for at every turn
[12:01] <elky> I've pinged bosslady, but she's not responded yet.
[12:02] <ikonia> if it's not approriate for freenode to act I'll have to request the council review bacta as a candidate for the namespace wide ban process
[12:08] <jussi01> ikonia: [13:49:01] <Tm_T> 1347.53 <Jigger> Hence why I will continue to evade -> should be enough for freenode staff to get involved.
[12:09] <Tm_T> his current evasion alone
[12:09] <jussi01> !staff | ^^
[12:11] <Tm_T> jussi01: I thought niko was on that already (:
[12:11] <jussi01> oh... I missed that
[12:11] <jussi01> niko: please let me know anything you can share.
[12:14] <niko> take a look a ubuntu_pro at this time
[12:17] <ikonia> hey tatsel
[12:17] <tatsel> hi
[12:17] <ikonia> do you want to explain the problem you're having ?
[12:18] <ikonia> tatsel: one moment please
[12:18] <tatsel> I guess you all seen it, but the_sandmam just keeps cycling the [login; throw amazing amount of commands then execess flood]
[12:19] <tatsel> [sorry, on mobile, takes forever]
[12:19] <ikonia> ubuntu_pro: hello there, do you know why you where removed from #ubuntu
[12:19] <ubuntu_pro> ikonia, Je n'ai rien fait de mal
[12:19] <ikonia> you do speak english so please don't play dumb
[12:20] <tatsel> the_sandman*  sorry, seems like i cant spell on touch screen
[12:20] <ubuntu_pro> Je ne parle pas bien anglais
[12:20] <ikonia> ubuntu_pro: ok - bye then as I know you speak English
[12:20] <tatsel> ubuntu_pro: woah, a french :p
[12:20] <ikonia> tatsel: no problem, I'll sort it out
[12:20]  * tatsel can translate
[12:20] <ubuntu_pro> what?
[12:20] <ikonia> ubuntu_pro: the fact that you in in australia and speaking English in #ubuntu 1 minute ago
[12:21] <ikonia> ubuntu_pro: so do you want to discuss this or mess around playing games ?
[12:21] <ubuntu_pro> ne parlent pas anglais
[12:21] <ikonia> ok bye then
[12:21] <ubuntu_pro> ?
[12:21] <tatsel> ubuntu_pro: tu as été viré ducanal pour avoir dit d'essayer rm -rf /
[12:21] <tatsel> ;)
[12:21] <ikonia> tatsel: please ignore him,
[12:21] <ubuntu_pro> il est bon sudo rm-rf /
[12:21] <tatsel> ...
[12:21] <tatsel> ikonia: okay
[12:22] <ikonia> tatsel: I'll look at sandman now, thanks for the info
[12:22] <tatsel> okay
[12:22] <tatsel> no problem
[12:22] <ubuntu_pro> love ubuntu
[12:22] <ubuntu_pro> Ubuntu amour
[12:23] <tatsel> i'm sure you dont nee/want that waste of B/W
[12:23] <tatsel> need*
[12:23] <ubuntu_pro> puis-je obtenir de l'aide ubuntu ici dans le canal?
[12:23] <ikonia> all sorted, tatsel please re-join #ubuntu and thanks for the info
[12:23] <tatsel> ubuntu_pro: #ubuntu-fr
[12:23] <ikonia> tatsel: please ignore him
[12:23] <tatsel> np
[12:24] <ubuntu_pro> ce qui la baise est-ce? Impossible de joindre # ubuntu (Vous sont interdits)
[12:24] <ubuntu_pro> !!
[12:24] <jussi01> tatsel: you all good now?
[12:24] <tatsel> yup
[12:25] <jussi01> !idle | tatsel
[12:25] <tatsel> oh.
[12:29] <ikonia> ubuntu_pro: do you need anything else now ?
[12:30] <ubuntu_pro> ikonia, could i please go back into #ubuntu now
[12:30] <ikonia> no
[12:30] <ubuntu_pro> y
[12:30] <ikonia> ubuntu_pro: I gave you chance to discuss it
[12:30] <ikonia> you chose to mess around
[12:30] <marienz> ikonia: so bacta's confirming in pm to you that he'll continue to evade bans set against him? did he show up anywhere other than #ubuntu so far?
[12:30] <ubuntu_pro> i did noot
[12:31] <ikonia> ubuntu_pro: you said you did not speak English
[12:31] <ikonia> and just kept repeating it
[12:31] <ubuntu_pro> wat
[12:31] <ubuntu_pro> no speak english
[12:31] <ikonia> marienz: he evaded in #ubuntu as the user slamdrunk - then tried to get in as the user jigger (we caught him) he tried to get past a mute in #ubuntu+1 with the nick jigger
[12:31] <ikonia> ubuntu_pro: it's clear you do speak English as you managed to tell people very clearly how to use rm -rf /
[12:31] <ubuntu_pro> wtf is a NICK JOGGER?
[12:32] <ikonia> ubuntu_pro: that was not for you
[12:32] <ubuntu_pro> i dont even know how it means
[12:32] <ikonia> ubuntu_pro: you can speak english fine - I spoke to you to resolve your ban and you chose to pretend to not speak english
[12:32] <ubuntu_pro> ubuntu_pro: you can speak english fine - I spoke to you to resolve your ban and you chose to pretend to not speak english
[12:32] <ikonia> now you are repeating me
[12:33] <ubuntu_pro> ikonia, please tell me , what does jigger do? r u being recist?
[12:33] <marienz> ikonia: thanks, will let you know what we end up doing with him, please poke me (or someone else) if he ends up in more channels than just those two
[12:33] <ikonia>  ubuntu_pro jigger was another user's nick name and I was not speaking to you
[12:33] <ikonia> marienz: thank you
[12:33] <marienz> ikonia: also, your staff trigger has a typo (just Sport, not Sports :)
[12:33] <Tm_T> marienz: big thanks
[12:33] <ubuntu_pro> i wasnt anyone elses
[12:34] <ikonia> marienz: good call
[12:34] <ubuntu_pro> this 1st time IRC
[12:34]  * marienz was assuming that thing was automated
[12:34] <ubuntu_pro> what do you mean jigger
[12:34] <Tm_T> ubuntu_pro: we were not talking about you
[12:34] <ikonia> ubuntu_pro: forget jigger,
[12:34] <ubuntu_pro> define:jigger
[12:35] <ubuntu_pro> A double-ended vessel, generally of stainless steel or other metal, one end of which typically measures 1 1/2 fluid ounces
[12:35] <ikonia> ubuntu_pro: this discussion is over
[12:35] <ikonia> ubuntu_pro: please leave the channel
[12:35] <ubuntu_pro> please ikonia
[12:35] <ubuntu_pro> i did not do ANYTHING wrong.
[12:36] <Tm_T> except that
[12:36] <ikonia> I'm pretty confident that was bacta
[13:26] <Mamarok> wow, that was rather bad French for somebody pretending to speak French :)
[13:51] <ikonia> bigmouth: are you at your keyboard ?
[13:51] <ikonia> topgun21: are you at your keyboard
[13:52] <ikonia> bigmouth: I've banned you in #ubuntu as your quit message is very offensive
[13:59] <ikonia> changed ban forward to a ban and udpated BT
[13:59] <Pici> :)
[14:30]  * genii makes a large pot of coffee
[20:57] <Myrtti> looking
[20:57]  * Tm_T huggles Myrtti
[20:58] <Myrtti> one more, and he's out
[21:05] <Myrtti> Guest80389: how can we help you?
[22:37] <jpds> Fun.


[00:20] <deadscion> I have a work around. The apps are showing up in App finder (alt+F3)
[00:23] <deadscion> and running
[14:52] <H2O> Thank You for creating such a powerful product. BETTER than pro-tools !
[17:14] <studio-user678> hello
[17:15] <studio-user678> abuntu-studio no sound
[17:45] <studio-user891> anyone know how to fix the banshe music player on xenial xersus - studio?
[17:45] <studio-user891> It does not work it just sits there when you go to add music to it.
[17:46] <studio-user891> you have to kill the application.
[17:46] <studio-user891> although rythem box does work it will not shuffle songs.
[17:46] <studio-user891> Why would they release this with so many bugs?
[17:47] <studio-user891> I mean music playback is somethint that every computer does.
[17:47] <studio-user891> Is there actually anyon on here?
[17:50]  * antto is not here
[17:51] <antto> i don't use mine for music since i still use my other machine for that, and that one runs winXP
[17:52] <antto> the ubuntustudio machine i have has built-in speaker into the case o_O so i can hear stuff from it
[17:52] <antto> i don't have any mp3s there tho, i've only tried stuff like youtube and soundcloud
[17:53] <antto> but i think i didn't have sound at first and had to mess around in the settings
[17:54] <antto> check your mixer settings and see if there are any volume meters, check if they move when they should
[17:55] <antto> i can't tell if that's gonna be the same for you, since i am with ubuntustudio 16 but with lxde
[18:00] <studio-user891> it does have sound but applications do not work correctly
[18:01] <studio-user891> banshe and rythem box do not work.
[18:01] <studio-user891> banshe does not play any music only locks up.
[18:01] <studio-user891> rythem box plays but only one song at a time.
[18:02] <studio-user891> and it forgets previous session of adding the media. So you have to add all the media every time.
[18:02] <studio-user891> You know for a studio you thing these things would have all basic bugs removed from them before release.
[18:03] <studio-user891> Anyone here?
[18:16] <sakrecoer> studio-user891: banshee and rythm box are not pre installed in ubuntu studio
[18:17] <studio-user891> Ok any idea why they would  not work on studio?
[18:17] <sakrecoer> studio-user891: could it be that you have jack running, and the output of banshee in pavu controll is not set to play with the jack sink?
[18:18] <OvenWerks> studio-user891: then perhaps banshe/rythembox have bugs.
[18:19] <studio-user891> i have not ever started jack
[18:19] <sakrecoer> studio-user891: i personaly use parole for previews. But i did install audacious for playlists and my discographic library.
[18:20] <OvenWerks> studio-user891: have you tried to startany application that does use jack by default?
[18:20] <studio-user891> audacious?
[18:20] <sakrecoer> studio-user891: i just mention this because i know audacious works
[18:20] <studio-user891> ok well in volume control
[18:20] <sakrecoer> studio-user891: http://audacious-media-player.org/
[18:20] <OvenWerks> may jack applications start jack for you if you forgat to.
[18:20] <sakrecoer> sudo apt install audacious
[18:20] <studio-user891> it is using built in audio control
[18:21] <OvenWerks> it?
[18:21] <studio-user891> analog audio control
[18:22] <OvenWerks> what is analog audio control? an appl;iaction?
[18:22] <sakrecoer> studio-user891: yes, but if you have started a jack aware application it might have started jack for you... what happens if you reboot, and do nothing else but start banshee?
[18:23] <studio-user891> the applications are there both banshee and rythem box, but both still do not work.
[18:23] <studio-user891> installing audacious with the sudo now.
[18:23] <sakrecoer> banshee has a mad amount of dependcies.
[18:24] <OvenWerks> do you hear audio from firefox? like youtube or whatever?
[18:24] <sakrecoer> i didn't feel like installing it on this machine.
[18:25] <sakrecoer> rhythem box worked perfect here.
[18:26] <studio-user891> audacious is working now.
[18:26] <studio-user891> thanks sakrecoer
[18:26] <sakrecoer> studio-user891: according to me, its the best player :)
[18:27] <studio-user891> very simple interface and playlist manager worked immediately
[18:27] <sakrecoer> you can even add effects, i'm a big fan of playing stuff at 66%-75% pitchdown when i'm in cosy mode :D
[18:27] <studio-user891> lol
[18:27] <studio-user891> nice
[18:27] <sakrecoer> AND, conky can read its status ;)
[18:27] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: parole has gotten a lot better too.... though I am not so sure about UI
[18:28] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: parole is a great previewer!
[18:28] <OvenWerks> it has not too bad playlist managment now.
[18:28] <sakrecoer> opens so many formats. i sometimes miss having more information about videofiles with it, like FPS and bitrate
[18:28] <OvenWerks> right
[18:28] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: yes, for playlists it is not the best
[18:29] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: but good enough to always have music playing... either in order or scrambled.
[18:29] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: absolutely :)
[18:29] <OvenWerks> effects are what jack is for.
[18:30] <sakrecoer> i'm just very fond of the library management in audacious: does nothing fancypancy, just scanning to make it searchable from its GUI
[18:30] <sakrecoer> yeah, but to pitch down 66% jack is overkill :D
[18:30] <sakrecoer> its 2 clicks away in audacious, lol
[18:30] <studio-user891> well it is the only one that works
[18:30] <OvenWerks> is jack is running all the time anyway... why not use it.
[18:31] <sakrecoer> true :)
[18:31] <sakrecoer> i could use audacious with jack :)
[18:31] <studio-user891> sorry only installed this the other day.
[18:31] <studio-user891> installed it dual boot with win10
[18:31] <OvenWerks> PA makes a great front end, but jack is a much better audio server.
[18:32] <sakrecoer> studio-user891: don't be sorry :) but know that it can be many different parameters that hinders your rhythmbox or banshee from playing...
[18:32] <sakrecoer> studio-user891: rhtyhmbox worked fine for me on ubuntustudio 16.04
[18:32] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: I would be surprised if they do not default to PA for output.
[18:32] <studio-user891> yes i know that that is why i came here and sorry is just a term of reference.
[18:33] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: everything desktop should basically default to PA as output.
[18:33] <studio-user891> how did you install the rythmbox?
[18:33] <sakrecoer> studio-user891: sudo apt install rhythmbox
[18:34] <studio-user891> well i used the software control panel
[18:34] <sakrecoer> studio-user891: hm.. should be the same, i think..
[18:35] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: I see what you mean by depends in banshee
[18:35] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: audacious defenitly defaults to pavu when installed with apt in ubuntu
[18:36] <sakrecoer> i mean... PA
[18:36] <OvenWerks> :)
[18:36] <studio-user891> well the sudo apt remove banshee seems to work fin.
[18:36] <studio-user891> fine
[18:37] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: everything should default to either alsa (default device which PA creates), PA directly or jack
[18:37] <studio-user891> the install informed me that the latest version of banshee was already installed.
[18:39] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: there are some applications out there that default to alsa hw0. That would be a bug.
[18:39] <OvenWerks> (and mean that they have likely not been maintained in some time and suffer from bitrot)
[18:42] <studio-user891> So question
[18:42] <studio-user891> is there any other applications in the software manager that do not install or work correctly when installed from software manager?
[18:43] <studio-user891> I mean i used a really old version of mint on a netbook that worked just fine. Why the hell would a new version of Ubuntu not work?
[18:44] <sakrecoer> studio-user891: thats a hard question. they are supposed to work. and if they don't, please file a bug.
[18:44] <studio-user891> why should i they did not take the time to even test the application?
[18:45] <sakrecoer> studio-user891: things are tested, however, to asnwer to your question "why should i?" well, because freesoftware is made by people like you and me
[18:50] <OvenWerks> studio-user891: The software installer has had a few problems since it replaced USC (ubuntu software center). I do not trust either one (personal prejudice).
[18:50] <studio-user891> I have never released any software that i have worked on that has not been tested.
[18:50] <OvenWerks> I always install synaptic as one of my first things.
[18:50] <studio-user891> anyhow yes i am going to post a bug.
[18:51] <OvenWerks> This  is one of the problems with Ubuntu's release schedule. It gets released by a certain date come "hell or high water"
[18:53] <OvenWerks> the software installer's main bugs have been with packages that have been downloaded from other surces. That is it has been unusual to have problems with installing any application the installer can find in ubuntu's preo.
[19:00] <studio-user891> provided a feedback on application page....seems like they do not even check that as there are a ton of people with the same problem with banshee.
[19:01] <studio-user891> although they are using bugzilla repository ... why the hell is this so split. they should receive updates from review page to cross reference for bugs and alerts.
[19:02] <studio-user891> Well the hell or high water schedule should be scrapped. Hell this is not windows.
[19:03] <studio-user891> When i use ubuntu or some distro built on it I expect the applications listed to work.
[19:03] <studio-user891> not just install a non functional front end.
[19:04] <studio-user891> anyhow have to get back to bugzilla
[19:04] <sakrecoer> i both agree and disagree; deadlines are important to push things forward, but then again... they are actulay called "dead line" because they can be deadly :D
[19:04] <studio-user891> thanks for the insight on the changes.
[19:04] <OvenWerks> Good to know banshee is broken
[19:04] <studio-user891> that helps with the understanding the distro and the development.
[19:05] <studio-user891> well broken from the software center install for sure.
[19:05] <studio-user891> It may not be with the sudo install.
[19:05] <studio-user891> since that seems to pull from repositories that work.
[19:06] <studio-user891> based on the audacious install.
[19:06] <studio-user891> not on banshee.
[19:06] <studio-user891> thats booted to the curb.
[19:10] <studio-user891> ovenwerks
[19:11] <studio-user891> That krita application is great though
[19:12] <OvenWerks> Sad thing is that I think we had to remove it for the next release
[19:12] <studio-user891> Are you serious they are removing Krita?
[19:12] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: did krita get fixed for 16.10?
[19:13] <OvenWerks> krita was keeping the install iso from building.
[19:13] <studio-user891> it works perfectly with my wacom tablet.
[19:13] <studio-user891> right off the install.
[19:13] <studio-user891> of the o/s
[19:13] <OvenWerks> I am not sure that it is installable in 16.10 even after install.
[19:14] <OvenWerks> 16.04 krita works really well.
[19:14] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: i don't know the status right now tbh, need to ask ross if he ahs time to look into it.
[19:14] <OvenWerks>  ok
[19:14] <studio-user891> Ok well please check
[19:14] <studio-user891> i really dont want to remove the o/s
[19:15] <studio-user891> ok well have to reboot system now.
[19:15] <studio-user891> thanks for all the feedback.
[19:15] <OvenWerks> 16.04 will continue to work for you and will be supported for 3 years
[19:15] <OvenWerks> One hopes that krita will be fixed by 18.04
[19:15] <studio-user891> yeah that is a good poin t.
[19:16] <studio-user891> when is release stated/expected for 18.04?
[19:16] <OvenWerks> the release numbers are year.month
[19:16] <OvenWerks> 16.04 was released in the 4th month of 2016
[19:16] <studio-user891> Ah ok. thx.
[19:17] <studio-user891> what was the sudo command you used for the rythmbox install?
[19:18] <studio-user891> was it the sudo apt install rythmbox?
[19:18] <OvenWerks> That sounds right.
[19:21] <studio-user891> one thing i do like about this is the IRC uses the firefox
[21:23] <studio-user502> hey ovenwerks
[21:24] <studio-user502> i was the guy who had issue with banshee and rhythmbox
[21:24] <studio-user502> seems like rhthmbox only looked up list of music. it did not actually import the music.
[21:25] <studio-user502> so tried the import button and it seems to be working now after a crash and relaunch.
[21:25] <studio-user502> even with the shuffle on and the cross fade.
[21:26] <studio-user502> Thanks for the information earlier on this.
[21:26] <studio-user502> have a good one.


[05:46] <sanguinarius> @now
[05:46] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: September 05 2007, 03:46:45 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 8 hours 13 minutes
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[02:02] <RichEd> ogra ... you ready to go with technical report ?
[02:04] <ogra> sorry i didnt prepare anything (i have about 10h to fix bug 121547 and am under heavy pressure atm)
[02:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121547 in ltsp "[Gutsy]  LTSP chroot building process hangs at 50% on Tribe1 CD" [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121547
[02:04] <RichEd> pips1: fine ... it will mainly be a short tech report ... oliver is in debug mode ... and I have another appointment soon
[02:04] <ogra> i'll try to do it on the fly
[02:04] <ogra> next milestone is beta release
[02:04] <ogra> (sept 27th=
[02:04] <ogra> )
[02:05] <ogra> stuff to be solved is the artwork (i think we got that, needs packaging but thats trivial)
[02:05] <ogra> bug 121547
[02:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121547 in ltsp "[Gutsy]  LTSP chroot building process hangs at 50% on Tribe1 CD" [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121547
[02:05] <ogra> and some smaller stuff (i.e. non critical bugs)
[02:05] <ogra> ltspfs needs some updates sbalneav already prepared (a security fix)
[02:06] <ogra> most of that stuff can happen during the next weeks, only the installer bug is high prio on my desk atm (its very very tricky and more so its very time consuming to test changes)
[02:07] <ogra> scott is very busy on the doc front atm and uses his PPA for daily debs with the changes
[02:11] <RichEd> hi karl
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, hi mate
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> just noticed the meeting call :$
[02:13] <RichEd> ogra: is that it from you ?
[02:13] <ogra> right
[02:13] <ogra> beyond that we have new artwork :)
[02:13] <ogra> please comment on the wikipage as usual
[02:14] <RichEd> let me get the link
[02:14] <RichEd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuArtwork/Volunteer
[02:14] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuArtwork/Volunteer
[02:14] <ogra> first ! :)
[02:14] <RichEd> looks like we are going with Edubuntu_global-sept307b.png as default
[02:14] <ogra> yeah
[02:14] <RichEd> so make your comments now if you want changes :)
[02:15] <ogra> unless someone heavily objects
[02:16] <RichEd> also let us know which of the others should go onto the CD as optional choices
[02:16] <ogra> the wiredubuntu one would make a beautiful usplash artwork ... but i wont have time to take care for that
[02:16] <ogra> that would be up to kwwii
[02:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, my only question with that is the english on the image
[02:16] <RichEd> ogra: what needs to be done to get that right ? can anyone else help ?
[02:16] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: let me look again ...
[02:16] <ogra> Kamping_Kaiser, better than german or italian :)
[02:17] <ogra> Kamping_Kaiser, what would you suggest? latin ?
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra, latin has class ;)
[02:17] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: not sure ... I can ask the artist if you are interested
[02:17] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: sure ... but is it relevant for modern kids ?
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, just a thought
[02:18] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: I'll ask where she got the text from ...
[02:18] <pips1> well, there is already lots of latin text, if you noticed :-)
[02:18] <ogra> make a comment on the page :)
[02:18] <RichEd> the olde style writing is very nice methinks
[02:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, i object to having <random culture> forced on me... i'm sure others do as well.
[02:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra, ok
[02:18] <pips1> the only english text is "cell membrane" and "cell wall"
[02:19] <ogra> Kamping_Kaiser, but latin might be better, suggest it :)
[02:19] <RichEd> should we offer wallpapers in different languages ?
[02:19] <RichEd> :)
[02:19] <ogra> ugh
[02:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:19] <ogra> thats possible with svg though
[02:19] <pips1> and there is a greek symbol too.. pi
[02:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> localise it on the fly
[02:19] <ogra> you can embed translations
[02:19] <ogra> Kamping_Kaiser, dont laugh, its a cool concept :)
[02:20] <pips1> the whole artwork really says western scientific tradition.. :-)
[02:20] <ogra> oh, as you all might have noticed, there wont be a tribe 6 CD
[02:20] <ogra> and no freeze is going on
[02:20] <pips1> renaissance
[02:20] <ogra> beyond that we work *as if* there was a tribe 6 CD
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra, ii'm only half joking
[02:21] <ogra> (thats why i am so focused on the milestoned tribe6 bug)
[02:21] <pips1> Kamping_Kaiser: all art is rooted in culture
[02:22] <pips1> Kamping_Kaiser: are you suggesting we should have a 100% culturally free artwork?
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> pips1, no.
[02:22] <pips1> :-)
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm aware of art+cultures links.
[02:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> its just there are some i like to be involve with/exposed to more then others
[02:23] <pips1> I'm sure you are, just pulling your leg
[02:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure this is culture, but i'm wearing a powercalbe as a decoration ;)
[02:25] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: well from your side ... why not try to find someone who can do us some maori art ?
[02:25] <pips1> ogra: what did you mean by "no freeze is going on"?
[02:27] <ogra> pips1, we can upload to the archive all the time
[02:27] <ogra> its not frozen for iso building
[02:27] <ogra> that makes bugfixing a lot easier
[02:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, not sure, i certainly dont have any links in that area
[02:28] <pips1> ogra: ic, thanks for explanation
[02:34] <pips1> ogra: good luck with the bug fixing!
[02:34] <pips1> I got to go...
[02:34] <RichEd> ogra: any more from you ?
[02:34] <ogra> if nobody has additional questions i'll go back to fighting with debconf
[02:35] <RichEd> issues or questions anyone ?
[02:35] <RichEd> okay ... going once
[02:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> cant think of any
[02:35] <RichEd> okay ... going twice
[02:36] <RichEd> thats a wrap then
[02:36] <RichEd> thanks
[02:36] <ogra> :)
[02:36] <ogra> that was a quick one :)
[02:37] <RichEd> not many people here ... hence less discussion
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