[02:01] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:38] <murmel> lotuspsychje: morning :)
[04:53] <rs2009> good morning (woke up really late today, but had a good sleep)
[05:02] <arraybolt3[m]> rs2009: 👋
[05:04] <rs2009> hey arraybolt3[m] :) was wondering if I need to share a screenshot of Ubuntu Unity since we're now a daily flavor
[05:04] <arraybolt3[m]> rs2009: o_O You got approved?!
[05:04] <arraybolt3[m]> \o/
[05:05] <arraybolt3[m]> rs2009: I'd probably ask Fallen about that, since he's the guy in charge of that sort of thing IIUC. Also, congrats!
[05:05] <rs2009> arraybolt3[m]: we actually got approved a daily flavor :) becoming an official recognized flavor depends on whether we can release the Beta ISO though
[05:05] <rs2009> s/approved/approved as/g
[05:06] <arraybolt3[m]> rs2009: Probably intensive testing will do for making the beta happen, right?
[05:06] <guiverc[m]> Well done rs2009 for you & your Ubuntu Unity team !
[05:07] <rs2009> arraybolt3[m]: yep, and we just need to get a few of the Ubuntu Unity packages uploaded (which I'll do today), so we should be able to release the beta ISO without any problems
[05:07] <rs2009> thanks guiverc[m] :)
[05:08] <rs2009> (also, I gotta switch to using Element/Matrix instead of TheLounge for IRC)
[05:08] <arraybolt3[m]> rs2009: Sounds like a plan! (And wow, that was fast. Seemed like one day it was a rumor that Unity might be becoming an official flavor, then the next day you were in applying for it and now today you got it.)
[05:11] <guiverc[m]> rs2009: do you have the ML link/url on the decision (handy)... we maybe able to use it for UWN/Ubuntu News 🙂
[05:15] <rs2009> guiverc[m]: sure, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2022-August/002669.html. we're awaiting votes from sil2100, rbasak and cyphermox. vorlon's already added us to the daily flavors though
[05:16] <guiverc> Thanks rs2009 , appreciated & Congratulations again (for you & of course team!)
[05:16] <rs2009> guiverc: tysm :)
[05:17] <guiverc> UWN doesn't publish till early next week anyway... so hopefully it'll be official (all votes +1) by then anyway...
[05:18] <rs2009> 🤞
[06:36] <Fallen> rs2009: Congratulations, I'm happy you are starting to get those +1s! The reason I'm asking for screenshots is for https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavours which would only be the recognized release flavors, but you might as well get a head start and send me a screenshot, that short 1-2 paragraph description of what makes Ubuntu Unity special, and the three links you see there. I'll DM you my email.
[09:57] <elderbard> hello
[09:58] <elderbard> testing
[10:09] <murmel> !test | elderbard
[14:34] <JerOfPanic> hi all
[14:34] <JerOfPanic> anyone putting up servers recently?
[14:35] <BayouBilly> my days of putting up database servers  was when nt4 came out....i built an auction server to compete with ebay but i got tired of messing with it
[14:36] <BayouBilly> it was a little more than 20 years ago i used sql server back in those days
[14:38] <BayouBilly> and cold fusion for high capacity traffic
[14:38] <BayouBilly> but that was a long time ago
[14:42] <BayouBilly> i just leave it all to ebay now so i don't have to pay an internet access bill
[14:42] <BayouBilly> for an online server
[14:46] <BayouBilly> and i just use free wifi in various locations these days for free internet with no bills
[14:48] <BayouBilly> and ubuntu and windows 10 do a good job with free wifi
[14:48] <BayouBilly> and this hand me down hardware sells today for only $40. or so on ebay
[14:49] <BayouBilly> the free software and free hardware foundation have done a good job at driving all the prices near zero
[14:50] <BayouBilly> windows 10 pro is down to $16 ..from what used to cost $100 for an operating system
[14:51] <BayouBilly> thanks to the free software and free hardware foundation
[15:13] <JerOfPanic> BayouBilly: namecheap.com 8 core 12 gigs RAM 240 gigs HD costs around 30 euros a month
[15:13] <BayouBilly> even the expensive playstation 2 is down to $107 and included 16 games that once costed $50 each
[15:14] <JerOfPanic> I have 43. day without any tobacco smoke
[15:14] <JerOfPanic> I can code better now
[15:14] <BayouBilly> jerofpanic wow 30 euros a month...that is a lot of money
[15:15] <JerOfPanic> yes
[15:16] <BayouBilly> you can see the playstation2 with a search on ebays search window
[15:16] <BayouBilly> its all thanks to the free software and free hardware foundation putting downward pressure on prices
[15:28] <BayouBilly> you can see the playstatio2 which does not require an monthly internet bill or costly in-game purchases from online gaming selling with 16 stand alone games at this ur
[15:29] <BayouBilly> url https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1311&_nkw=playstation+2&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_odkw=computers&_osacat=0
[15:29] <BayouBilly> its way better than the playstation 5 which needs an expensive internet connection and has in-game purchases
[15:31] <BayouBilly> for people that don't want to or can't spend a lot of money
[15:33] <BayouBilly> its all thanks to gnu and the free software and free hardware foundations
[15:49] <BayouBilly> now with free wifi and local hotspots and zoom you don't have to buy an expensive telephone and pay an expensive monthly telephone bill for worldwide web voice communicaitons
[15:49] <BayouBilly> all because the free software and free hardware foundations put downward pressure on prices for the users
[15:53] <BayouBilly> i once asked the kde group how much does the kexi database program cost and they said "nothing it is free"
[19:10] <artemis> hey, new chinese linux deepin release. Jacky chan says its the best linux distrib created and can ubuntu down in 10 seconds.
[19:10] <artemis> +sidekick
[20:47] <ogra> https://www.googlefight.com/ubuntu-vs-deepin.php definitely disagrees ...
[21:19] <JanC> people who use Deepin probably don't use Google though...
[21:20] <JanC> (in general)
[21:21] <ogra> is there a bauidufight.com ? 🙂
[21:21] <ogra> err
[21:21] <ogra> baidufight ...
[21:29] <JanC> I also wonder how google fight works now that Google & other search engines (almost) insist on returning lots of results even when there are none (or very little)
[21:46] <enigma9o7[m]> only 400 results returned
[21:46] <enigma9o7[m]> even when it says there are more, you can't get more than 400
[21:46] <enigma9o7[m]> they lie with their big number.  its an estimate.
[21:46] <enigma9o7[m]> based on how quickly they found their favorite 400
[22:00] <JanC> enigma9o7[m]: the problem is not when it shows you less than it found, it's when they show you more than there is
[22:01] <JanC> like when there are only 3 results and they bury them somewhere on page 20 & 30 between a whole bunch of inaccurate results
[22:01]  * ogra didnt really care about the datasets ... it just felt appropriate in response to the jackie chan sidekick comment 🙂
[22:03] <JanC> "having" to "quote" "every" "word" to "make" "search" "work" "correctly" is "really" "annoying"
[22:09] <sarnold> +I +hate +that +so +much
[22:10] <sarnold> no worries about "page 20 and 30" http://googlesearchonlyreturns400results.lol/
[22:10] <daftykins> seems like this channel is 'deepin' search engine talk tonight ;)
[22:11] <ogra> so deeep ...
[22:40] <BayouBilly> well even most search engines are free to use..its all part of the downward price pressure started by the free software and free hardware foundations that want to drive all prices of everything to zero
[22:41] <BayouBilly> and they have driven prices very low already
[22:41] <sarnold> yeah, I think I get seventeen google searches per dollar these days
[22:41] <sarnold> remember when alta vista charged a dollar each? and we were happy for it
[22:42] <BayouBilly> i remember when apple used to charge money for music before all the free options came up
[22:44] <daftykins> * supported by advertising
[22:47] <BayouBilly> well i dont know about advertising..does kde advertise even though they say kexi database costs zero $
[22:47] <ogra> can't be good then ...
[22:48] <ogra> databases only work properly above a four digit price tag ...
[22:48] <ogra> ask oracle
[22:48] <BayouBilly> ogra well before the drive to zero prices people used to say you get what you pay for
[22:48] <ogra> you still do 😉
[22:48] <BayouBilly> ogra oracle is out of my price range budget
[22:49] <ogra> it's hopefully out of everyones one day 🙂
[22:49] <sarnold> except their free cloud tier :)
[22:50] <daftykins> i meant streaming music platforms that are 'free' tend to be ad-supported
[22:50] <daftykins> ah Oracle, i do thank them for the perpetually free tier VPS though
[22:50] <tomreyn> it's the only one that's really free, if you can make it to register. and you get full oracle-style usability.
[22:51] <BayouBilly> well i dont think ads are the goal of the free software and free hardware foundations..i think they are after zero$ prices ad free
[22:53] <BayouBilly> but i noticed kde does accept donations if people want to
[22:55] <daftykins> only today i used that line "you get what you pay for" about Libera when there are netsplits \o/
[22:55] <sarnold> ah, now *there's* good value for your money
[22:55] <sarnold> a hundred lines per dollar
[22:56] <daftykins> i dread to think what my bill is at
[22:56] <BayouBilly> well poor people have to try not to squander their limited dollars on high prices and have to watch every penny like scrooge
[22:57] <tomreyn> does the free heartware foundation also do free transplantations, though?
[22:57] <daftykins> yes they'll have to stop running HA database clusters, silly poor people
[22:58] <BayouBilly> tom...medicine is about big money...govt' funded to keep prices high..it is very costly in this country
[23:00] <BayouBilly> when the government prints money to pay medical bills at any price there is no limit to how much is charged in medicine
[23:02] <BayouBilly> its no accident that Harvard Medical School and Harvard Law School are in the same university.
[23:02] <BayouBilly> they work together to drive medical prices through the roof
[23:02] <daftykins> sorry but i don't think this is the place
[23:02] <tomreyn> i might have brought this slightly off topic - let's get back to quality ubuntu discussions
[23:03] <tomreyn> where i'm sure this thread started
[23:03] <BayouBilly> tom ok tom
[23:12] <tomreyn> so i think canonical should make it transparent which exact code snaps were built from, and how, and provide a way to tell whether this code was published by the original authors of the software, or someone else. also, they should either make it clear what the "verified" (how, what, when, whom) means or not use it at all, since it can provide a false sense of security. there should be visual indications on what the licensing terms of the
[23:12] <tomreyn> source code it is built from is, and this should be a criteria users can filter by. there should be an indication on how privacy invading or preserving some snap is.
[23:12] <tomreyn> (and this should also be a user selectable filter)
[23:15] <BayouBilly> well most tarball packages of programs include the licensing terms of the author
[23:15] <BayouBilly> you can always get the debian sourcecode which should include the author's desires and intentions
[23:15] <daftykins> and what's relevant about that to snaps?
[23:18] <BayouBilly> the problem is with programs like rosegarden that have many many authors...and they may not agree on desires...but most people use it for free anyway
[23:20] <JanC> verified should also mean it gets prompt security updates, of course  :)
[23:27] <BayouBilly> i remember when the beatles wanted to sell music for money on their albums...before google put remastered beatles songs like Roll over Beethoven on youtube music for free
[23:28] <tomreyn> software that's flagged open source could be required to be tied to an established SaaS build automation service (such as github, gitlab, bitbucket) with public repositories and build scripts, maintained by upstream software authors only. and, since there are automatic upgrades, there should also be automatic software disablement if there were no builds for 1 year, on both the store and users' systems. i guess this would solve a lot of
[23:28] <tomreyn> problems already.
[23:29] <tomreyn> i don't see how you can enforce or verify prompt security updates (other than that)
[23:29] <BayouBilly> tom well open source like opengl is not free software...they retain ownership and the right to close it and charge money for it anytime they want to
[23:30] <tomreyn> BayouBilly: you are mixing up copyright, trademarks and licensing there, i think.
[23:30] <ogra> tomreyn, "sudo find /snap/*/current/ -name '*snapcraft.yaml*'" ... most snaps ship their full build receipe which shows what sources have been used and what patches have been appiled etc
[23:31] <sarnold> ogra: hmm, how do we make sure that people who download the binary can get the sources to gpl projects?
[23:31] <BayouBilly> tom..no copyleft gives all the ownership rights to the user whereas opensource protects the author's ownership rights
[23:31] <ogra> sarnold, question for legal i fear 🙂
[23:32] <ogra> sarnold, the store terms put that responsibility on the uploader i think ...
[23:32] <BayouBilly> tom open source code never agrees to be free code...silicon graphics isn't going to give up the rights to opengl
[23:33] <BayouBilly> tom and the opensource watcom compiler never gives up its ownership rights either
[23:34] <ogra> sarnold, also, the gpl does not enforce that you make source available "for download", just that you "give the source to someone who asks" ... could be a truck full of punchcards 😉
[23:35] <BayouBilly> ogra punchcards is funny
[23:35] <sarnold> ogra: "they're machine readable!"
[23:35] <sarnold> ogra: but who wants to store a truck of punchcards for three years? :)
[23:35] <ogra> haha
[23:36] <rfm> under the gpl you can even charge for the service of cutting a tape
[23:36] <tomreyn> ogra: thanks for passing along yet another bit of valuable snap ecosystem information. but... you know.. this is not transparency.
[23:37] <tomreyn> or not the one i'm looking for
[23:37] <tomreyn> i do appreciate you sharing what you know, though, always insightful for me.
[23:53] <JanC> there is some wording about providing the source in usable form IIRC
[23:53] <JanC> or in the way it is preferably used
[23:54] <arraybolt3[m]> "Source code? Sure, here's the source. Red cars represent a 0, blue cars represent a 1. Source code is in UTF-8. Walk the car lot, you'll figure it out."
[23:54] <arraybolt3[m]> "<shouts from afar>: Oh! And the file system is ZFS!"
[23:54] <JanC> so if you don't use punch cards to compile it yourself, you probably can't make that the only way to distribute it
[23:59] <JanC> in fact, GPL3 seems to say that if the object code is available for download, so should be the source code


[02:13] <marlinc> cjwatson, awesome your fix ended up in Ubuntu and fixed the issue. Thanks a lot!
[02:23] <cjwatson> marlinc: Great.
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> hello guys, are there any known bugs for decrypt/encrypt not being able to decrypt anymore after a recent update?
[15:57] <doko> xnox, please could you submit all involved object files in a bug report? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/236878588/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-s390x.mopac7_1.15-6ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[18:16] <xnox> doko, ouch.
[18:25] <xnox> doko, http://people.canonical.com/~xnox/mopac7-1.15.build-dir.tar.xz


 wxl: vacation.  unit193 can help with plumbing.  op will be after i get back
 same with sandbox
[14:46] <tsimonq2> Morning.
[14:47] <tsimonq2> I'm about to throw a few packages at Mantic, for the LXQt 1.3 transition.
[14:51] <tsimonq2> lximage-qt, lxqt-about, lxqt-admin, lxqt-archiver, lxqt-config, lxqt-globalkeys, lxqt-notificationd, lxqt-openssh-askpass, lxqt-policykit, lxqt-session, lxqt-sudo (please note a new binary, lxqtdoas @lynorian @guiverc)
[14:52] <tsimonq2> Those have been uploaded so far
[14:52] <tsimonq2> Same with pcmanfm-qt, qterminal, xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt
[14:53] <tsimonq2> Can anyone report if xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt is installed and working with e.g. Firefox?
[15:06] <tsimonq2> libfm-qt, liblxqt, qtxdg-tools are now in Backports Staging.
[15:13] <tsimonq2> lxqt-session needed a patch removed, done. libfm-qt in Backports Staging needs a symbols update, also checking the archive for symbols diffs.
 Thanks @tsimonq2
[15:17] <tsimonq2> No worries :)
[15:17] <tsimonq2> libfm-qt's symbols diff is pretty small for the archive, but I'll take care of that first nonetheless. Then, I'll switch to the Backports branch and update symbols again
 so i assume you saw the ftbfs that spammed my email :P
[15:23] <tsimonq2> yes :P
 @tsimonq2
 good
[15:23] <tsimonq2> Fixed now, hopefully
[15:23] <tsimonq2> libfm-qt?
[15:23] <tsimonq2> msttcorefonts is for you
[15:23] <tsimonq2> XD
[15:24]  * tsimonq2 throws @teward001 and wxl into the void
[15:36] <tsimonq2> I just manually migrated lxqt-build-tools and qtxdg-tools into Backports[-release]. Shouldn't affect end-user systems.
[15:37] <tsimonq2> I'll wait for the next Britney run to do the last stage in the archive. Probably waiting for the next publisher run for Backports Staging.
[15:49] <tsimonq2> I would expect some FTBFS emails - I uploaded some packages to Backports Staging that could be waiting on the publisher run.
[15:50] <tsimonq2> It's likely that I'll migrate lxqt-themes as well once it's built.
[15:51] <tsimonq2> Anyway, lxqt-qtplugin, lxqt-themes, pavucontrol-qt, qps, qtermwidget have all been uploaded to BPS
[16:06] <tsimonq2> hahaha archive is waiting on riscv64 builds
[16:25] <tsimonq2> A local Britney run tells me to migrate lxqt-themes, doing.
[17:56] <tsimonq2> Alright, all of LXQt 1.3 has been uploaded. Be careful updating your installs over the next few hours.
[18:20] <tsimonq2> lxqt-session FTBFS fixed @teward001
[18:20] <tsimonq2> :P
 now fix all the other failures
 :P
[19:43] <tsimonq2> These two are migrating to Backports now:
[19:43] <tsimonq2> pavucontrol-qt 1.3.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[19:43] <tsimonq2> libqtxdg 3.11.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[19:54] <tsimonq2> Quite a few more candidates for Backports this round.
[19:59] <tsimonq2> Only 9 packages left to migrate.
 I'll wait for this publishing round, rerun Britney, then migrate the rest hopefully
[21:04] <tsimonq2> Everything is publishing in both the archive and Backports right now.
[21:04] <tsimonq2> LXQt 1.3 has landed.
[21:05] <tsimonq2> The remaining blocker for the archive is libfm-qt, which is waiting on glibc, which we have no control over so :)
[21:08] <tsimonq2> https://lubuntu.me/jammy-backports-22-04-3-lxqt-1-3/
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/d8bdb9db/file_9842.jpg
 Thanks @tsimonq2 (re @tsimonq2: )
 :D
[23:34] <wxl> update on matrix bridging: i was about to make it happen only to learn that the bridge has been completely shut down meaning that neither portalled nor plumbed rooms are allowed. whether or not either returns and if so, when, is all unknown. third party bridges are apparently fine? so maybe we should run our own?
[23:38] <tsimonq2> wxl: I certainly think we should run our own bridge.
[23:39] <wxl> tsimonq2: so i guess i'll leave it to you and teward on that front. maybe we should make our own darn homeserver XD
 uh we DO have our own homeserver XD
[23:41] <wxl> oh well gee no one told me that XD
[23:46] <wxl> send a registration token?
[23:49] <wxl> @tsimonq2 @tsimonq2 @tsimonq2 @tsimonq2 @tsimonq2 @tsimonq2
 its actually plumbed last i checked ircc.  i'll poke after vacation.  i can extend the current bridge to join Matrix rooms and relay thatvway (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <wxl> update on matrix bridging: i was about to make it happen only to learn that the bridge has been completely shut down meaning that neither portalled nor plumbed rooms are allowed. whether or not either returns and if so, when, is all unknown. third party bridge
 like we have irc<-> telegram
 simon didnt set it up i did
 i'm on vacation with limited inter et
[23:55] <wxl> if "current bridge" means the matrix/libera bridge it is 100% completely down, for both portalled and plumbed rooms
[23:56] <wxl> so if it had been previously plumbed, it's all for naught


[04:09] <qwebirc26433> Trying a fresh install of Mythubuntu and mytytv backend does not lock on channel with hdhomerun dual
[04:11] <qwebirc26433> The hdhomerun config tool sees the channels and can tune the channel but Mythtv backend setup reports


[00:22] <trojanerPT> hey?
[00:44] <Drakmor> Hey guys, I've been trying to get ubuntu studio 10.04 working for the last couple of hours and its not working out. The install was okay, but I have no ethernet connection (though I did during the install), and only my usb headset is detected  but not my integrated soundcard. Anyone have any ideas why?
[00:45] <Drakmor> I've dug around all over but nothing I found worked :/
[00:52] <texaswriter> Ubuntu studio's networking interface any different then Ubuntu's?
[00:53] <Drakmor> I honestly have no idea... I've only used kubuntu prior to this
[00:53] <Drakmor> I tried a fresh install of ubuntu 10.04 as well
[00:53] <Drakmor> but got the same thing
[00:53] <Drakmor> it definitely had networking during the install though- it said it was downloading things
[00:58] <texaswriter> So: 1) notebook/desktop/etc and any specifics about 2) type of internet connection; 3) pastebin the results of ifconfig
[00:59] <Drakmor> desktop- i7 2600k, nvidia 560ti, asus z68-v pro, pretty sure its broadband
[00:59] <Drakmor> to get the paste, I'd have to reboot, but all it gives me is lo and lo loopback something
[01:00] <Drakmor> one second
[01:00] <Drakmor> iface lo inet loopback is the other oen
[01:00] <Drakmor> *one
[01:00] <texaswriter> pastebin the results, you might have to type them.
[01:00] <Drakmor> okay
[01:01] <Drakmor> be back in a few
[01:05] <Drakmor> http://pastebin.com/TKy0BK18
[01:05] <Drakmor> there ya go
[01:12] <texaswriter> whoops can you try ifconfig -a
[01:12] <texaswriter> and these commands
[01:14] <texaswriter> It's getting rare that wireless doesn't work right outside of the box, but i've never had ethernet not work.
[01:15] <Drakmor> yeah, I was sorta surprised. I would try a newer version, but 10.04 is apparently the most recent version with some form of realtime kernel
[01:15] <texaswriter> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1244898
[01:16] <Drakmor> thanks
[01:16] <Drakmor> I'll try that
[01:16] <texaswriter> if you can see that website, trouble shoot through that... otherwise, your problem should be similar to any Ubuntu (not kde) network problem (as in Gnome)
[01:17] <texaswriter> also, it may be you need to google your motherboard and see if drivers are provided for mobo.
[01:18] <Drakmor> I'm on the same computer right now, just on kubuntu 11.04
[01:18] <Drakmor> so they definitely exist....
[01:19] <Drakmor> nwo that I finished reading that page and the one it linked to, how does that help me? Those seem to be drivers specific to that model of netbook.
[01:20] <texaswriter> @Ddrakmor, print out or save the page and try the sequence of commands on the first post. yeah, sorry, just checking for something obvious, i'm no expert, just usually solved
[01:21] <Drakmor> oh, so just add the eth0 lines to the file like the op did?
[01:21] <texaswriter> make sure to backup your file first, but yes
[01:21] <Drakmor> okay, thanks
[01:21] <Drakmor> be back in  a few
[01:22] <texaswriter> backup the original first, then try.
[01:22] <Drakmor> doing that now
[01:29] <Drakmor> okay, didn't work. I'll give you an output pastebin in a secondf
[01:30] <Drakmor> http://pastebin.com/ccxxBiDe
[01:33] <texaswriter> okay, when you reboot, eth0 shouldn't be around.. so pastebin these commands: lspci; sudo lshw -C network
[01:33] <Drakmor> okay
[01:34] <texaswriter> you can post it here, but should probably also post it on ubuntuforums.org
[01:34] <Drakmor> okay
[01:35] <Drakmor> I was reading around earlier though and I thought I saw something saying the 11.04 release has a lowlatency kernel... you know anything about that? If its true I can just install that, because all of my research points to the 10.04 version being the one with the network issues
[01:35] <texaswriter> you mean 11.10?
[01:35] <Drakmor> there's 11.10 of studio already?
[01:35] <texaswriter> yeah
[01:35] <Drakmor> sweet
[01:35] <texaswriter> it uses xfce. i'm testing it in vb right now
[01:36] <texaswriter> google ubuntustudio 11.10
[01:36] <Drakmor> ooh, that'd be nice... I dislike gnome immensly
[01:36] <texaswriter> it should bring up a link to a .ubuntu site
[01:36] <Drakmor> I'm cool with using it as long as it has some sort of low latency/ realtime kernel
[01:36] <texaswriter> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/11.10/release/
[01:36] <Drakmor> cuz I'm planning to do a lot of audio recording and mixing
[01:36] <texaswriter> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/11.10release_notes
[01:36] <texaswriter> cool. there are download link and release notes
[01:36] <Drakmor> thanks
[01:37] <Drakmor> "Excitingly, this kernel should allow users to set irq priorities, which means a real time kernel is no longer required for this task!"
[01:37] <texaswriter> I think you have to select "xfce" or something when logging in after upgrading (or installing). I've been told. It's updating right now.
[01:37] <Drakmor> I'm pretty new to all this latency stuff.... what does that mean?
[01:37] <texaswriter> Mine is updating right now, so if you stay on for a few more minutes, I'll let you know how rebooting after update goes.
[01:38] <Drakmor> okay, will do
[01:44] <texaswriter> hrrm, not gets hung up on screen after update, not sure if it is updating or encrypted home folder.
[01:45] <trojanerPT> lol
[01:45] <trojanerPT> wellcome to amateur soft aka open sourc
[01:47] <Drakmor> heh
[01:47] <texaswriter> well that's not blatant trolling. well, actually the encrypted home folder works very well. I had noticed it borks it though when
[01:47] <Drakmor> oh well, I'll give it a try
[01:47] <texaswriter> it borks it when doing a dist-upgrade
[01:47] <Drakmor> I'm not going to keep futzing around with this broken install :P
[01:47] <texaswriter> happened to me before, had a home folder encrypted and it wasn't usable after a dist-upgrade. probably some simple bug
[01:48] <Drakmor> yeah, I tried that option once and things broke.... now that I'm on a desktop, its not nearly as big of a deal anywyas
[01:48] <texaswriter> yeah, just as easy to encrypt an individual file... encryption used to bork on WIndows boxes all the time, and they were unrecoverable.
[01:49] <trojanerPT> try AVlinux
[01:49] <trojanerPT> http://www.remastersys.com/forums/index.php?topic=1469.0
[01:50] <trojanerPT> http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html
[01:50] <trojanerPT> this one is bsed on DEBIAN the cradle of UBUNTU
[01:59] <Drakmor> @texaswriter any luck?
[02:01] <texaswriter> lol, naw, gonna update my system!!! lol
[02:05] <Drakmor> okay, have fun ;)
[02:05] <Drakmor> I'm doing the same as soon as it dl's
[02:06] <texaswriter> eh, i just got cold feet... test this coming week.. don't have time to reinstall everything
[02:06] <texaswriter> lol, good luck!!
[02:06] <texaswriter> lemme know how it goes please
[02:07] <Drakmor> sure
[02:07] <Drakmor> once I get to the text based installer with no distractions I guess I'll have no choice but to do some homework XD
[02:07] <Drakmor> oh well, at least I'll get it done
[02:08] <Drakmor> how much longer will you be online? It took a good hour to install last time...
[02:08] <Drakmor> and wow, the download failed.... time to try again
[02:09] <trojanerPT> WOW
[02:09] <Drakmor> @trojaner have you contributed one serious remark to this channel that doesn't involve trolling or bashing ubuntu/ opensource software?
[02:11] <trojanerPT> i hardlly said anything on this channel
[02:12] <trojanerPT> by the way this isnt twiter
[02:12] <texaswriter> all a matter of preference
[02:13] <texaswriter> no big deal. anyways, Drakmore, probalby a cleane install will be better than an upgrade, as long as you are backedup
[02:13] <trojanerPT> that person was having trouble i just gave him an option thats acctually was open source
[02:14] <texaswriter> non-GPL
[02:14] <trojanerPT> ubuntu studio is GPL?
[02:14] <texaswriter> spam alert
[02:14] <texaswriter> Debian/GNULinux comes with no guarantee so neither does AV Linux. I accept no responsibility for any hardware/software malfunctions or data loss resulting from it's use. It is important to note that AV Linux is not GPL and contains software that is not open-source and is distributed under a special licensing arrangement with the original developers, re-distributing AV Linux is a violation of this license. AV Linux al
[02:14] <texaswriter> so contains Multimedia Codecs that may be under patent in certain countries, it is the users responsibility to know the law as it applies to their own respective country before downloading or installing.
[02:15] <texaswriter> Ubuntu studio is free and open source
[02:15] <Drakmor> yeah, I'm not going to say anything else to him
[02:15] <trojanerPT> so what if its not GPL
[02:15] <Drakmor> as soon as this downloads I'll be just installing it in the broken install's partition
[02:15] <trojanerPT> its better
[02:16] <texaswriter> matter of opinion. GPL and not open source would stop me from using.
[02:16] <Drakmor> ++
[02:17] <Drakmor> I have never stopped to check about this liscensing stuff....
[02:17] <trojanerPT> because you are using it fro work in a enterprisee?
[02:18] <trojanerPT> texaswriter: i got news for you
[02:18] <trojanerPT> ubuntustudio isnt GPL
[02:19] <texaswriter> trojanerPT: I didn't say it was. I said that avlinux IS NOT GPL and is also NOT open source, and also contains proprietary parts.
[02:19] <texaswriter> Because of these, and in my opinion (since it is a free world), I will choose not to use it.
[02:19] <trojanerPT> so does ubuntu studio
[02:19] <texaswriter> I can take an operating system that has no proprietary elements and enable them myself.
[02:20] <texaswriter> ubuntu studio can be redistributed, AV linux clearly states if you look at the above post from their privacy link that it cann not be redistributed
[02:20] <trojanerPT> ubuntu studio is NON GPL
[02:20] <trojanerPT> are you deaf?
[02:20] <texaswriter> I never said it was.
[02:20] <texaswriter> not even once.
[02:21] <texaswriter> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/License
[02:21] <trojanerPT> you seem to have a problem with AVlinux because it was NON GPL
[02:21] <trojanerPT> but have no problem with
[02:22] <trojanerPT> ubuntu studio that is also NON GPL
[02:22] <texaswriter> NO, my LOGICAL statement was that because it was non-GPL, not open source, AND  (logical and of these three items) not redistributable, I will pass.
[02:22] <texaswriter> Logical and
[02:22] <naka> tw explained himself pretty clearly
[02:22] <Drakmor> I think he had an issue with the fact that you were posting it here while bashing ubuntu and being rather trollish
[02:23] <trojanerPT> so he was making it up
[02:23] <holstein> hey guys
[02:23] <trojanerPT> damn LIER
[02:23] <holstein> whats going on?
[02:23] <texaswriter> oh my, can I not be more clear
[02:23] <Drakmor> we're being trolled by trojaner
[02:23] <Drakmor> to put it bluntly
[02:23] <holstein> in order for the pacakges to be included, they must be free
[02:23] <trojanerPT> thats what you get for trying to help out
[02:24] <holstein> thats why nvidia drivers for example arent included trojanerPT
[02:24] <texaswriter> trojanerPT: you seem to be misunderstanding me. My statement about AVLinux had absolutely nothing to do with UbuntuStudio.
[02:24] <Drakmor> texas and I were talking about some issues with installing studio and trojaner hops on and laughs at us for using ubuntu and then starts trying to convince us to use avlinux
[02:24] <trojanerPT> aclinus is better IMO
[02:25] <Drakmor> case in point
[02:25] <Drakmor> its no problem you think that, its just that this is an ubuntu irc if you haven't noticed
[02:25] <holstein> AVlinux is quite different
[02:25] <texaswriter> Okay, so you keep bringing that up, but it only had to do AVLinux. Avlinux is non-GPL (this has nothing to do with ubuntustudio), Avlinux is not open source, avlinux contains licensed, proprietary components, avlinux is not redistributable.   If you choose to use AVLinux, that's your choice. But my statement was, imo, I won't use because of those reasons.  because ubuntustudio is free, open source, and redistributabl
[02:25] <texaswriter> e.
[02:25] <holstein> neither are better
[02:26] <holstein> i like how AVlinux is live
[02:26] <holstein> ubuntustudio will be doing that next release hopefully
[02:28] <texaswriter> choice is good.
[02:29] <holstein> yup
[02:29] <holstein> i suggest AVLinux as a live CD quite often
[02:37] <texaswriter> holstein: nothing wrong with that. I personally believe distro should let the user decide on picking up the proprietary elements, this way if a corporation wants to go after someone, they have to go after every one of the users (which is essentially impossible since they wouldn't know who they are), not just one website (which might be easy to take down with a cease/desist order, aka FUD)
[02:38] <holstein> sure, i agree
[02:38] <holstein> thats why ubuntu cant include certain things
[02:40] <Drakmor> okay, got the iso
[02:41] <Drakmor> wish me luck installing
[02:41] <Drakmor> I'll be back hopefully soon with a report
[02:41] <texaswriter> okay good luck
[03:38] <plain-user> Hi! Can anyone help me with the setup of my computer to do sound?
[03:39] <holstein> lol
[03:39] <holstein> plain-user: it should just do sound out of the box
[03:40] <plain-user> holstein, Hi! Yes, it does to some extend...
[03:40] <holstein> plain-user: lets try and take a small step
[03:40] <holstein> whats the issue?
[03:40] <holstein> you have sound?
[03:40] <plain-user> =)
[03:40] <plain-user> Yes, i have sound.
[03:40] <plain-user> ...
[03:41] <plain-user> I don;t know where to start. you said learn to use jack with both my soundcards. I can't figure it out. for now i'm just using gui sound manager to switch outputs for skyle vs playing music.
[03:41] <holstein> thats fine
[03:42] <holstein> if it works, it works :)
[03:42] <plain-user> if it is too complicated to work with two cards, i already accepted the fact i shall use external card and hold the microphone in hands.
[03:43] <holstein> well, maybe you just do that for a while
[03:44] <plain-user> ok, i'm happy to do that. i go and restart now and disable the internal card in bios.
[03:44] <holstein> yeah, thats what i would do
[03:44] <plain-user> can I come back and perhaps, work out some applications with you, please?
[03:45] <holstein> you can try
[03:45] <holstein> im about to crash
[03:45] <holstein> but, i'll be back soon
[03:45] <holstein> and you can try #opensourcemucians if its dead here
[03:45] <plain-user> alright.
[03:45] <holstein>  #opensourcemusicians
[03:45] <plain-user> well, sleep don't wait for me then. i be right back anyway
[03:45] <plain-user> thanks i am there listening already
[03:45] <holstein> plain-user: cool :)
[03:46] <holstein> if i miss you, good luck and good nite
[03:49] <plain-user> back.
[03:52] <plain-user> ok, skype works.
[07:16] <l33_> hi+
[07:17] <l33_> in the release informations about ubuntu-studio 11.10 it is said, that the new ubuntu-studio uses the generic ubuntu kernel
[07:17] <l33_> is the rtirq script installed ?
[07:18] <l33_> i mean are there any differences (except some installed software packagaes) between ubuntu 11.10 and ubuntu-studio 11.10
[07:26] <steve__> anyone in here now?
[07:28] <l33_> doesnt seem so, do it ?
[07:50] <l33_> bye steve
[13:03] <cousin_luigi> greetings
[13:03] <cousin_luigi> When is 11.10 due?
[13:53] <trojanerPT> any one using dream studio?
[14:14] <Drakmor> hey, this works on all versions of natty, not just studio natty right? https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa
[14:27] <holstein> Drakmor: right
[14:27] <holstein> ubuntu = ubuntustudio
[14:27] <Drakmor> okay, thats what I though. I've never messed around with different kernels so I wasn't sure.
[14:27] <Drakmor> This technically is off topic I guess, but how do I get the new kernel to show up in grub? I installed it and its not appearing...
[14:27] <holstein> Drakmor: i use lots of them
[14:28] <holstein> Drakmor: maybe you just added the ppa and didnt install the pacakges?
[14:28] <Drakmor> I definitely installed them,, and they appear to be in the grub.cfg
[14:28] <Drakmor> lemme reboot now that I've rebuilt it
[14:28] <holstein> Drakmor: OH... maybe its this simple
[14:28] <holstein> sudo update-grub
[14:28] <holstein> that should be triggered though
[14:28] <holstein> theres nothing special, it should 'just work'
[14:29] <Drakmor> okay, let me reboot and I'll let you know.
[14:31] <Drakmor> no go
[14:32] <Drakmor> if I pastebin it, could you take a look at my grub.cfg? I have the feeling this has something to do with me trying to dual boot studio
[14:32] <Drakmor> all my grub screen shows is linux 2.6.32-21 preempt (studio)
[14:32] <Drakmor> 2.6.38-11generic
[14:33] <Drakmor> 2.6.38-10, and 2.6.38-8 (both generic), as well as the recovery modes for each kernel
[14:33] <holstein> Drakmor: you'll need to run sudo update-grub from the install that is 'in charge' of grub
[14:34] <holstein> i have several installs on a test machine
[14:34] <holstein> 10.04 was the first
[14:34] <holstein> then, when i added, i *didnt* install grub
[14:34] <Drakmor> okay, I'm not sure which one is the main...
[14:34] <Drakmor> I installed kubuntu 11.04 first
[14:34] <holstein> so, from the other testing ones, i update kernels, they dont show
[14:34] <Drakmor> then dual booted studio 11.04
[14:34] <holstein> i go back to 10.04
[14:34] <holstein> sudo update-grub and all is well
[14:35] <Drakmor> if I just remove the studio partition will it break grub?
[14:35] <holstein> Drakmor: its a hard drive
[14:35] <holstein> things break
[14:35] <holstein> i would back up, and do what you got to do
[14:35] <holstein> it shouldng
[14:35] <holstein> shouldnt
[14:35] <Drakmor> they're both on the same hdd :/
[14:35] <holstein> but recovering grub is easy
[14:36] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling_GRUB2
[14:36] <Drakmor> perfect, thanks
[14:36] <holstein> i would get the hard drive the way i want it with gparted, the restore grub
[14:36] <holstein> *if needed
[14:36] <Drakmor> so I can delete the studio partition, then do that correct?
[14:37] <holstein> Drakmor: well, like i said, back up your data
[14:37] <holstein> you never know
[14:37] <Drakmor> yup
[14:37] <Drakmor> but that's the procedure?
[14:37] <holstein> moving, deleting, resizing like that can break things
[14:37] <holstein> and for no good reason
[14:37] <holstein> Drakmor: but, ideally, yeah
[14:37] <Drakmor> This is the first time I've mucked around with dualbooting, sorry I'm so imcompetent.... but okay
[14:37] <holstein> it *should* be that easy
[14:37] <Drakmor> I shall try that
[14:38] <holstein> Drakmor: yeah, i just recently sorted it out
[14:38] <Drakmor> be back in  a few hopefully
[14:38] <holstein> on that test machine i mentioned
[14:38] <holstein> i wiped and moved and restored
[14:38] <holstein> juggled some things on purpose to learn
[14:38] <holstein> that was my experience
[15:30] <fr-z> hi
[15:50] <Arjun> hey i just want to know if i can install any package on ubuntu which can install all the studio materials for me, so i dont need to keep two distributions for different work...


[02:08] <philipballew> hey everyone! Anyone want a meeting?
[02:08] <eps> ooh! ooh!
[02:09] <philipballew> eps, welcome!
[02:10] <philipballew> there is nothing on the agenda today, but the floor is open if someone has something
[02:11] <eps> SF Ubuntu Hour on Wednesday: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2468-ubuntu-hour-san-francisco/
[02:11] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu Hour San Francisco | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[02:15] <philipballew> eps, nice, that looks pretty good.
[02:15] <philipballew> I think that is the only hour on our state currently.
[02:16] <philipballew> I think Pasadena had one this past week. I assume it went well.
[02:16] <eps> Someone should hold one in San Diego. ;-)
[02:18] <philipballew> It's true. Someone should. :)
[02:33] <eps> It's been half an hour ... if no one else has anything to add, I think we should wrap this up, and reconvene on the 25th.
[17:31] <pleia2> hm, anyone else on the bad.debian.net mailing list? I sent an email to it last week but it doesn't seem to be in the archives
[17:31] <pleia2> wondering if it actually made it, or archives just broken
[18:48] <akk> I'm on bad, but I don't always notice which emails come over that list vs. other lists (multiple lists filtered to one folder).
[18:49] <pleia2> I only sent it to one list :) ANNOUNCEMENT: Bay Area Debian meeting at Henry's Hunan Restaurant (SOMA location), SF, August 14th @ 7PM
[18:49] <pleia2> on thursday the 8th
[18:50] <akk> I don't remember seeing that (but that's not 100% reliable, I don't always pay a lot of attention to the SF meeting announcements).
[18:51] <pleia2> ok, thanks anyway
[18:51] <akk> And that was the day I got home, so my mail logs might be messed up from that day. Do you know if you sent it morning or evening?
[18:52] <pleia2>  Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:59 PM
[18:54] <akk> My Procmail log here starts at Thu Aug  8 17:25:45 and does not have that subject in it anywhere.
[18:54] <akk> So I think it didn't make it here, at least.
[18:54] <pleia2> thanks
[18:55] <pleia2> it was just a reminder anyway, the original announcement was sent in july
[22:17] <agliodbs> hey, how do I modify the command line of programs which are launched by Dash?  I haven't been able to find any instructions on this.
[22:25] <pleia2> dash the shell or the unity dash?
[22:59] <bkerensa> pleia2: So I think a bunch of Mozillians will be following me to the Mission Friday night for Cancun if you would like to join us
[22:59] <bkerensa> I can ping u when I have a solid time
[22:59] <bkerensa> :D
[22:59] <pleia2> bkerensa: this friday?
[23:00] <pleia2> my best friend is in town fri-tuesday, so I'm pretty much unavailable during that time
[23:07] <bkerensa> pleia2: ah
[23:07] <bkerensa> pleia2: yeah I land Friday afternoon and will be there till monday


[08:36] <nhaines> ianorlin: since there's basically nothing on the agenda, I'm of a mind to just cancel this week's meeting, because I'm just sort of swamped.  Unless you want to oversee anything, in which case I'll send out the reminder email after all.


[00:01] <IdleOne> should tell him to google the solution to his question
[00:01] <bazhang> he followed that with lmgtfy links
[00:01] <IdleOne> yeah I saw
[00:12] <bazhang> script or bot responding to 'thanks'
[00:12] <bazhang> never seen a reset email from staff in #ubuntu til now
[00:18] <bazhang> Ryan_> Beldar: I don't want your help THANKS!
[00:18] <bazhang> refuses multiple offers of help
[11:19] <trijntje> Just wanted to let you know that Jeanette21 joins #ubuntu, pastes a link to some videos and leaves again. I've seen this a bunch of times already, its not very disruptive, but I have no idea if the link contains malware.


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 better late than never!


[04:28] <slacko64_5401> do you wish to know about Japan ?
[04:28] <slacko64_5401> once vietnam was thought to have created hiroshima
[04:29] <slacko64_5401> there are weird things in history like that's incredible and the ayatolla kohmeni that seem to suggest people do live on from an original planet / earth
[04:29] <slacko64_5401> Japan likes me
[04:29] <slacko64_5401> they think i'm like cool guy thats on usa tv now that is not uncool.
[04:30] <slacko64_5401> they have seen me experience things that makes them ask me -- is that you Arthur ?
[04:30] <slacko64_5401> i did a painting that helps them
[04:31] <slacko64_5401> i have seen ghosts
[04:31] <slacko64_5401> i visuallized my death and i could describe planetary headed somewhere
[04:32] <slacko64_5401> i have pena
[04:33] <slacko64_5401> you can grow a soul that is not sumo and march of dimes.  they're sensitive about crucifixion
[04:33] <slacko64_5401> what i mean to say is we can grow a soul.  me and God had to grow a soul we got hurt.
[04:36] <slacko64_5401> no one talks about how i was a confuscious computer, not even china, even it hurt someone that should not have been hurt upon death.  it used to save lives, because i even met that guy some weird japanese unibomber sight that never left me, he is booger that drives the japanese terrorist destroy thing.   he's not the plane bomber.  i'm in the bible.  its not even those planes see they like me like the other comic on tv in us, something like -- to
[04:36] <slacko64_5401> this guy he looks even japanese, i hear all those are they call them "cintas" people in usa
[04:37] <slacko64_5401> they even said i think we're wrong i hope you like our food.  you mean to the door step ?  yep.


[14:21] <smoser> harmw, i'd be open to that.
[14:21] <smoser> i suspect that you'd run accross some linux-isms.
[14:23] <harmw> yea
[14:23] <harmw> python-jsonpatch is missing from freebsd10 repo, but the others are there (beeing cheetah, prettytable and some more)
[14:24] <harmw> there are some tiny differences though, like files from /proc
[14:24] <harmw> like, if I run cloud-init it isn't capable of reading system uptime
[14:24] <harmw> or showing assigned ip addresses
[14:25] <harmw> and ofcourse a proper module to handle configuration is needed :)
[14:25] <harmw> (distro)
[14:25] <smoser> harmw, yeah. i'm sure there are things to fix. python-jsonpatch can probably be made optional, and just fail/warn if the user tries to use it.
[18:18] <harlowja> cheetah is a problem that we need to work out anyway harmw
[18:18] <harlowja> unsure what is the best way forward there (cheetah and python 3 still not behaving nicely afaik)
[18:33] <harmw> ah ok, well ive tried cloud-init with python27 on freebsd 10 beta3
[18:33] <harmw> as far as python's concerned, it looks to be ok
[18:33] <harlowja> cool
[18:33] <harlowja> the other area u'll hit i think is utils.py
[18:35] <harmw> probably
[18:35] <harlowja> unsure how much there will need to be adjusted for freebsd
[18:36] <harmw> not sure on that, I merely deployed cloud-init to see if it would run - which it did
[18:37] <harmw> now all I need is some time to dig further :)
[18:39] <harlowja> :)
[18:39] <harlowja> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/cloudinit/util.py
[18:39] <harlowja> for example, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/cloudinit/util.py#L1009
[18:40] <harlowja> and other ones that might be mostly linux specific
[18:43] <harmw> smoser: any chance this cirros patch can be included in trunk? https://bugs.launchpad.net/cirros/+bug/1190372
[18:44] <harmw> (and the fix from https://bugs.launchpad.net/cirros/+bug/1132686 aswell)
[18:54] <smoser> harmw, whoot. thats awesome.
[18:54] <smoser> thank you.
[18:54] <harmw> :)
[18:55] <smoser> other than i'd bikeshed on your shell.
[18:55] <smoser> but i'd just never looked into it.
[18:55] <smoser> what is the content of a 'staticroutes' ?
[18:58] <harmw> let me check on that
[19:02] <smoser> oh. i see . it looks like it must be pairs of (<netaddr>, <router>)
[19:02] <harmw> <IP_ADDRESS>/32 <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:02] <harmw> there
[19:03] <harmw> thats in $staticroutes
[19:04] <harmw> took a while to create a new instance, my cloud isn't that fast :)
[19:23] <smoser> harmw, could you test default.script at
[19:23] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6475373/
[19:23] <smoser> that should cut down on forks for parsing output (echo $.. | cut)
[19:24] <harmw> ah yea
[19:24] <smoser> i know i over-do things
[19:24] <harmw> nice function
[19:24] <smoser> but i want cirros to boot as fast as possible
[19:24] <smoser> and forks *do* have a real affect on that.
[19:24] <harmw> hehe
[19:24] <harmw> let me check it
[19:25] <harmw> jeez, downloading plain requires a login
[19:26] <smoser> yeah, silly.
[19:26] <smoser> here, harmw http://paste.ubuntu.com/6475388/
[19:27] <smoser> that is how to avoid logging in to ubuntu pastebin
[19:37] <harmw> Lease of <IP_ADDRESS> obtained, lease time 120
[19:37] <harmw> deleting routers
[19:37] <harmw> adding dns <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:37] <harmw> adding net <IP_ADDRESS>/32 with router <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:37] <harmw> looking just fine
[19:52] <smoser> cool. i'll apply that then. thanks!.
[20:24] <smoser> all,
[20:24] <smoser>  https://ch.tbe.taleo.net/CH03/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=727
[20:24] <smoser>  https://ch.tbe.taleo.net/CH03/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=727
[20:24] <smoser> first is SW Engineer, second is QA Engineer (both at Canonical).
[20:34] <harmw> North America... kinda far, far away :)
[20:36] <harmw> nice work @r284
[20:37] <harmw> could you check up on the other bug aswell smoser? If time permits, ofc
[20:37] <smoser> harmw, probably not a requirement
[20:37] <smoser> (the location)
[20:38] <smoser> what other bug ?
[20:38] <harmw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cirros/+bug/1132686
[21:03] <smoser> harmw, can you verify
[21:03] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6475825/
[21:05] <harmw> sure
[21:09] <harmw> excellent
[21:12] <harmw> interesting, my freebsd instance only configured the additional host route - not the gateway
[21:13] <smoser> wait, what ?
[21:14] <harmw> no, nothing cloudinit just yet
[21:14] <harmw> merely booting an image, nothing fancy :)
[21:15] <smoser> AH. K.
[21:15] <smoser> did the cirros change work ?
[21:16] <smoser> i'll push that to trunk.
[21:16] <harmw> yea
[21:16] <smoser> thats what you get for not testing
[21:16] <smoser> s/you/i/
[21:16] <harmw> it looks fine here
[21:21] <harmw> nice @r285
[22:15] <smoser> harmw, thanks for your help.
[22:30] <harmw> np


[16:07] <gamename> Hi.  After updating to the lastest CentOS7 release (1503-01) I cannot get the Eth0 interface to come up on AWS.  Anyone seen this?
[18:07] <alexpilotti> claudiupopa: can you join the #heat channel?
[18:07] <claudiupopa> alexpilotti: yes.
[21:09] <cn28h> I'm looking at datasources doc at the http://cloudinit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/topics/datasources.html ... the top section where it describes the interface, is that meant to say that I can somehow add custom data sources to my cloud-init config?
[21:09] <cn28h> or would I have to hack cloud-init itself to do that?
[21:23] <harlowja> not likely in cloud-init config
[21:24] <harlowja> thats just an interface defintion
[21:25] <cn28h> hm, ok'
[21:25] <cn28h> so, basically my situation is that I want to inject user data into an instance under openstack
[21:25] <cn28h> however, the usual avenue for passing user-data in openstack (via the nova metadata service) is being used by another application and is not compatible in format with cloud-init
[21:26] <cn28h> so I'm trying to find some alternate way to inject user data
[21:29] <harlowja> hmmm, unsure, thats gonna be a tough one to get around
[21:37] <cn28h> will cloud-init try every datasource or will it stop at the first one that works?
[21:37] <cn28h> (in other words, is it even worth exploring my own datasource, even if I can figure out how to make that happen?)
[21:38] <gamename> How does cloud-init know to pick eth0 as the preferred network interface?
[21:41] <harlowja> cn28h yes it stops at the first one, so u could build your own if u really want
[21:42] <cn28h> hm ok, thanks
[23:09] <nk121> this had been working for me
[23:09] <nk121> apt_sources:
[23:09] <nk121>   - source: "ppa:mc3man/trusty-media"
[23:10] <nk121> but now i'm getting errors http://pastebin.com/pMqJPape
[23:10] <nk121> when i add it by hand it works


[11:58] <Guest57661> hello i am trying to learn the Ubuntu maas setup in virtual environment using virtualbox
[11:59] <Guest57661> how ever the node enlistment process for vm;s doesnot complete
[11:59] <Guest57661> the maas server reports bad udp checksums in syslog
[12:00] <Guest57661> and the node displays wating for response retrying
[12:00] <Guest57661> help plz
[12:02] <Guest57661> IP-Config: no response after 60 secs - giving up


[02:37] <ali1234> i just installed 15.04 and it's really good
[02:37] <Unit193> \o/
[02:37] <ali1234> in particular the monitor tool finally works with nvidia
[02:37] <ali1234> the login screen doesn't have weird overlapping wallpapers
[02:38] <ali1234> and gtk3 menus don't get shoved around by the struts
[02:38] <ali1234> i think there was something else but i forgot
[02:38] <ali1234> good work anyway
[14:00] <bluesabre> ali1234: good to hear :)
[23:23] <knome> there's a point in discussion on #x (midori's version in ubuntu), somebody should likely see getting a newer version for wily(+1)
[23:34] <micahg> well, we can see if the maintainer is interested still (Corsac isn't), otherwise, needs a new maintainer
[23:35] <knome> micahg, so bureacracy first, then uploads? :)
[23:35] <knome> i don't think people would complain too much if somebody did a one-off upload for it tbh, the last upload is ages ago
[23:38] <micahg> yes, but I'd really like it maintained in Debian, there's enough unmaintained software in Ubuntu as it is
[23:39] <micahg> does someone have an interest in maintaining
[23:39] <micahg> ?
[23:39] <Unit193> Isn't outdated and unmaintained in Ubuntu and Debian worse than outdated and unmaintained in Debian, and unmaintained in Ubuntu?
[23:40] <micahg> yes, but we can solve both if someone has an interest in maintaining in Debian :)
[23:41] <knome> if someone had interest in that, wouldn't they have already been stepping up?
[23:41] <Unit193> Well, it's not technically 'unmaintained'
[23:42] <micahg> right, red tape, hasn't been officially orphaned
[23:44] <Unit193> Not even sure if Ryan is "alive"
[23:51] <micahg> last upload was Jul 2012
[23:53] <Unit193> His, overall?  Niiiice.
[23:58] <knome> only three years.


[09:06] <ochosi> Unit193: i seem to not be a member of xubuntu bugs
[09:07] <ochosi> if that's only an account i don't have the creds afaict
[09:07] <Unit193> Well, it's a lot of bugmail AFAIK, I'm not either.
[09:07] <Unit193> It's a team.
[10:34] <jphilips> i see bluesabre and akxwi-dave are memebers of xubuntu bugs
[10:34] <jphilips> and  	slickymaster
[10:38] <Unit193> I guess it's up to him if he wants bugs for that.
[11:04] <jphilips> reminder to all to contribute to the release notes https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/20.04/release-notes
[11:15] <jphilips> would like to release it on social media before the release
[11:48] <bluesabre> jphilips: yeah, I'll be extending those out today or tomorrow.
[11:49] <jphilips> bluesabre: thanks for the update. do ping once your done.
[11:51] <Unit193> It's best not to announce a release before it's released.
[12:02] <jphilips> just the release notes
[12:03] <jphilips> many publications would want access to it, as mentioned in my ML email
[14:00] <bluesabre> Kicked gtk-common-themes again, so hopefully we'll have theme-friendly snaps soon, https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gtk-common-themes/-/merge_requests/19
[19:26] <Deusex25> Good time of day.
[19:26] <Deusex25> How can I assist with translation to Azerbaijani language?
[19:29] <Deusex25> I have also heard, that Xubuntu will get a proper Greybird dark theme. There is one very pretty dark theme for XFCE - Xfce-Simple-Dark : https://www.pling.com/p/1150488/
[19:30] <Deusex25> Is there any chance that this one can be added to distribution as well?
[19:38] <brainwash> Deusex25: what does it do better when compared to Greybird-dark?
[19:40] <brainwash> for translation work check the following links
[19:40] <brainwash> https://xubuntu.org/contribute/documentation/
[19:40] <brainwash> https://docs.xfce.org/contribute/translate/start
[19:43] <Deusex25> Thanks for the links.
[19:47] <Deusex25> Well, i have tested the daily build a week (maybe 10 days) ago. So far, the dark theme I've seen  is not as clear and crispy as the one I have suggested.
[19:48] <Deusex25> Is there any chance you may check the link and screenshots provided there?
[19:49] <Deusex25> https://cdn.pling.com/img/9/1/d/f/00587d686fdb2e6985c5ef1ec01562d9b8e4.png
[19:53] <brainwash> and where is a screenshot of Greybird-dark?
[19:54] <brainwash> ideally, you should provide a side-by-side comparison
[19:56] <brainwash> and if you have suggestions for further improvement, please report them here https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird
[19:56] <Deusex25> Unfortunately for several reasons I cannot do it right now.
[19:58] <Deusex25> I cannot get a virtualbox on my PC, as it requires an update, which is blocked by our provider. I'm working on the vessel, and traffic here is getting filtered...
[20:09] <Deusex25> Why cant we have more than one dark theme? I believe, community would be happy to have a bit bigger selection.
[20:10] <brainwash> there are more
[20:10] <brainwash> Adwaita-dark is installed by default too
[20:11] <brainwash> those two themes are packaged and have good support
[20:12] <brainwash> supported
[20:14] <Deusex25> Yes, but Adwaita-dark isn't good for use in dark environment, while the one I've suggested is very comfortable. I know it very well as I have to work over night sometimes.
[20:16] <Deusex25> Well, I can't say anything about support for this one. I only hope, that somebody from developing team may get a few minutes and check it out. Maybe it will give some good ideas?
[20:20] <brainwash> you will have to offer a side-by-side comparison
[20:20] <brainwash> and point of what it better
[20:20] <brainwash> and point out
[20:22] <Deusex25> Ok. I see. Will try.


[14:15] <pleia2> knome: that was easy, branding image on spreadubuntu.org is fixed :)
[15:21] <pleia2> http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/xubuntu-pimp.html
[15:29] <hobgoblin> pleia2: nice isn't it
[15:30] <pleia2> certainly a fair amount of personal preference :) but some points may be worth considering
[15:30] <pleia2> I actually like the default themes
[15:30] <ochosi> the desktop-icons tweak isn't needed anymore, i made a (better) patch for greybird
[15:30] <hobgoblin> well of course it is - it's his  blog :)
[15:31] <ochosi> pleia2: which points would be worth considering?
[15:31] <pleia2> ochosi: oh, that was one of them (desktop icons)
[15:32] <pleia2> maybe that's it really
[15:32] <hobgoblin> some of it is a rehash from one he did in may - http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/xubuntu-pangolin.html
[15:33] <pleia2> so, contacted an admin for one of the several xubuntu pages on facebook
[15:33] <ochosi> ah good
[15:33] <ochosi> anyway, if you see anything else worth considering feel free to let me know
[15:33] <pleia2> ok :)
[15:33] <pleia2> the one with the most "likes" isn't maintained (was never switched to new format)
[15:34] <pleia2> so I contacted the guy running another one, which uses our super old branding, but he actually updates it (has an rss tool that feeds the facebook feed our site updates)
[15:34] <pleia2> we'll get the branding fixed up and all sorted this week :)
[15:35] <pleia2> sadly https://www.facebook.com/xubuntulinux is taken :\
[15:35] <pleia2> (that's a group, not a page)
[15:36] <pleia2> actually, it's a page, hm
[15:36] <pleia2> anyway, not as active or well maintained as the person I contacted
[15:53] <knome> pleia2, good :)
[15:54] <knome> pleia2, we should probably mention in all the social media stuff that the groups are for users :)
[15:55] <knome> pleia2, and, in a way, encourage users to join them, rather just calling them "xubuntu groups" or whatever
[15:55]  * pleia2 nods
[15:56] <pleia2> the linkedin one currently is labeled for users
[15:56] <knome> yup, i know
[15:57] <knome> especially there it's important...
[15:57] <pleia2> yeah
[16:00] <knome> anyway, i'm going to turn off the pc again, pour some lovely dark-roasted coffee in a mug and go listen to the rain outside
[16:00] <knome> see you!
[16:00] <pleia2> enjoy
[18:08] <alazare619> does anyone here know how the iso's are built after the filesystem is squashed?
[18:08] <alazare619> im using the livecd-rootfs scripts
[18:59] <alazare619> can someone tell me what process xubuntu uses to build the isos after the chroot is squash.fs'd


[01:16] <balloons> U 2 offline time
[01:19] <tsimonq2> night balloons
[10:51] <damascene> Hi, a friend on 14.04.3 get screen flash and even logout sometimes when he reach to the bottom of screen. He uses Ubuntu Tweak to modify the theme. I'm not using unity so I could not test it. Any one could help or suggest something to debug it?
[10:52] <damascene> On the default theme every thing is OK. All, other themes has the problem


[06:26] <ZachK18> anybody here?
[08:31] <ZachK18> hey
[17:38] <popey> is there some kind of security thing that prevents me deleting pages from h.u.c/c ?
[17:39] <popey> if i go to a page - logged in of course - and click "More Actions:" i can highlight any option in the list except "delete page", the mouse kinda skips over it
[17:40] <popey> (I am doing this because someone did some stupid vandal edits to the wiki.


[08:15] <seb128> wgrant, hey, did you see the translations discussion from yesterday?
[08:40] <wgrant> seb128: I did, was waiting for you to appear.
[08:40] <seb128> I'm here :-)
[08:40] <wgrant> seb128: Sharing with upstream only inhibits PO imports, not POT ones.
[08:41] <wgrant> Does that look plausible here?
[08:41] <seb128> yes
[08:41] <seb128> though why are the .pot not listed in the queue then?
[08:41] <wgrant> So the template looks updated?
[08:41] <seb128> yes, the template is fine
[08:41] <wgrant> They probably get purged after not very long.
[08:42] <seb128> my issue was that some strings translated in the fr.po in the tarball had been translated again in launchpad because the upstream translations didn't get imported
[08:42] <seb128> that's leading to incomplete translations and to translator wasting work
[08:42] <wgrant> Right.
[08:42] <wgrant> So, unsetting the packaging link would allow imports to happen again.
[08:42] <wgrant> PO imports, that is.
[08:42] <seb128> but...?
[08:43] <wgrant> But as Colin says, nothing stops someone from readding the packaging link, and the translations split involved in removing a packaging link is very buggy.
[08:43] <seb128> what would be a better solution?
[08:44] <seb128> fixing launchpad imports I guess? ;-)
[08:44] <seb128> ideally upstream git could be mirrored in git and the translation sharing could import the po from there
[08:44] <wgrant> Right, the ideal solution is to not make weird decisions when designing Launchpad Translations.
[08:44] <wgrant> But that's a bit difficult.
[08:44] <seb128> well the "share with trunk" worked as long as the imports were updated
[08:45] <seb128> but the git to bzr import has limitations
[08:45] <wgrant> seb128: What's the issue with the import?
[08:45] <seb128> nautilus, gedit, etc use git submodules
[08:45] <wgrant> The bzr import, that is.
[08:45] <wgrant> Oh, I was looking at the wrong project.
[08:45] <wgrant> Right.
[08:45] <wgrant> Also, submodules, really? Ew.
[08:46] <seb128> https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/tree/.gitmodules
[08:46] <seb128> but yeah
[08:46] <wgrant> O_o
[08:46] <wgrant> why
[08:46] <seb128> because maintaing a lib and a stable interface is too much work for them I guess :p
[08:47] <seb128> but anyway that's where we stand
[08:47] <wgrant> Heh
[08:47] <seb128> and the bzr importer doesn't like those
[08:47] <wgrant> No.
[08:47] <seb128> so I guess the only thing we can do now is to unset the sharing
[08:48] <seb128> until somebody works on launchpad translations to make it do things differently
[08:48] <seb128> or use git to git rather than git to bzr imports
[08:48] <wgrant> Hmmm.
[08:48] <wgrant> Another option is to make the upstream project look like it doesn't have any current templates.
[08:48] <wgrant> Heh, we'll see if anybody's working on Launchpad soon.
[08:49] <seb128> how do you make a project looks like it hasn't a current template?
[08:49] <seb128> also would that lead to import the .po from the source uploads?
[08:49] <wgrant> seb128: Easiest way is to make it actually not have a current template.
[08:50]  * wgrant tries to find the template.
[08:50] <seb128> it shouldn't have one
[08:50] <seb128> upstream GNOME doesn't have the pot in git iirc
[08:50] <seb128> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/nautilus/master-git/files/head:/po/
[08:50] <seb128> not pot
[08:50] <wgrant> Right, but it still exists in LP.
[08:50] <wgrant> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/nautilus/+sharing-details
[08:51]  * wgrant tries to find a list of sticks to poke it with.
[08:51] <seb128> the "view upstream" leads to a "lost something"
[08:51] <seb128> https://translations.launchpad.net/nautilus/main/+pots/nautilus
[08:51] <wgrant> hm, wfm.
[08:52] <wgrant> And it's active, so I'm surprised you can't see it.
[08:52] <seb128>  ID OOPS-5d65cff6f90d6f1e9450847214db4acc
[08:52] <seb128> is what I got
[08:52] <seb128> error ID OOPS-93cca20415ad262e5ce4c90907bade35 on retry
[08:53] <seb128> no, I just get errors
[08:54] <wgrant> Oh, because it's set to external.
[08:54] <wgrant> So that template is invisible to mortals anyway.
[08:54] <wgrant> So we can totally deactivate it, and the only visible change will be that Ubuntu will think it's not sharing any more.
[08:54] <wgrant> Do you have a list of affected projects?
[08:56] <seb128> no
[08:56] <seb128> I know of nautilus and gedit
[08:56] <seb128> do we have a list of outdated imports somewhere?
[08:56] <wgrant> I could generate one, but it's very large.
[08:57] <seb128> if we restrict to main?
[08:57] <wgrant> Let me see what I can find.
[09:00] <seb128> but it's likely a good part of GNOME
[09:00] <seb128> evince gedit gnome-control-center nautilus
[09:02] <wgrant> Do you know that gedit's translations are broken?
[09:02] <wgrant> I don't see an upstream template on LP.
[09:04] <wgrant> Hmm, the nautilus upstream template was apparently updated from an LP export in February.
[09:04] <wgrant> I was querying for all sharing templates where the upstream hadn't been updated this year, and it didn't show up.
[09:05] <wgrant> seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13853627/ is all the packages with upstream templates that haven't been updated since September. 12 of those were updated earlier in the year.
[09:06] <seb128> wgrant, gedit translation, I assume so because https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/gedit/+imports doesn't list imported .pos
[09:06] <wgrant> grumble
[09:07]  * wgrant digs deeper
[09:07] <wgrant> seb128: Hum, that lists four for me?
[09:07] <seb128> right, only fails
[09:07] <wgrant> The rest where probably just pruned a month after they were successfully imported.
[09:07] <seb128> not success
[09:07] <wgrant> The fact that there were any at all means it's not affected by this problem.
[09:07] <seb128> but gedit was uploaded on 11-24
[09:07] <seb128> so it's less than a month
[09:08] <wgrant>     RosettaImportStatus.IMPORTED: timedelta(days=3),
[09:08] <wgrant> seriously...
[09:08]  * wgrant multiplies them all by 20
[09:08] <seb128> thanks
[09:08] <seb128> ok, so I guess it's only nautilus
[09:09] <seb128> from your pastebin list
[09:09] <wgrant> I've deactivated its template, so the next upload should get POs.
[09:10] <wgrant> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/nautilus/+sharing-details oh no :(
[09:10] <wgrant> no sharing :'(
[09:13] <seb128> didn't work out then?
[09:13] <wgrant> Nope, should all be good.
[09:13] <wgrant> Sharing is disabled.
[09:15] <seb128> k, great
[09:15] <seb128> wgrant, thanks!
[09:17] <wgrant> seb128: Let me know if you run into anything vaguely related.
[09:17] <wgrant> Preferably before my memories of this fade again :P
[09:17] <seb128> ok :-)
[12:14] <Laney> cjwatson: Does OOPS-9e4ded7ce5520af0a9a53412c8e33cae interest you? Getting this while trying to change the default repository for a project.
[12:24] <Laney> (Filed #1524316)
[12:27] <cjwatson> GitDefaultConflict: The default repository for 'geonames' is already set to ~larsu/geonames/+git/geonames-1.
[12:28] <cjwatson> Laney: Could you update the bug to describe how exactly you were trying to change it?
[12:29] <cjwatson> (Looks like via /geonames/+configure-code, but best to have that in the bug and not just the OOPS)
[12:29] <Laney> oh, right, ok
[12:29] <Laney> there
[13:55] <DJJeff> keep getting alot of these 404's
[13:56] <DJJeff> The requested URL /user/repo/ubuntu/dists/mydist/InRelease was not found on this server.
[13:56] <DJJeff> I know its safe to ignore these 404's
[13:56] <DJJeff> but why do they happen
[13:57] <DJJeff> it only happens on a select few like for example /webupd8team/somepackage/ubuntu/dists/utopic
[14:08] <DJJeff> I guess the proper way would be to return 304 Not Modified
[14:11] <dobey> why would a 304 be proper for something that doesn't exist?
[14:12] <dobey> it happens because you've added a PPA which doesn't have packages for your ubuntu release. utopic is also EOL
[14:15] <cjwatson> DJJeff: Because those bits of those repositories haven't been published since we added InRelease support.
[14:16] <cjwatson> 404 is fine; apt handles that and falls back to Release/Release.gpg.
[14:20] <DJJeff> http://i.imgur.com/fKDU94M.png
[14:20] <DJJeff> not all of them 404
[14:20] <DJJeff> just some
[14:21] <DJJeff> I used wireshark to watch when I ran sudo apt-update
[14:21] <DJJeff> some actually do return 304
[14:23] <DJJeff> I try to avoid using PPA's I only use them when the packages are not in the distro repo
[14:23] <DJJeff> or the ones in the distro repo are old or broken
[14:24] <DJJeff> one big problem many run into including myself is when distros get added
[14:24] <DJJeff> for example I run 16.04 Xenial and in the repo its still at utopic or vivid
[14:25] <DJJeff> and if xenial gets added there is no good way to check all the PPAs to update to the latest supported distro
[14:25] <cjwatson> DJJeff: 304 is for those that have been published since the addition of InRelease support and which your apt already has identical copies of
[14:25] <cjwatson> DJJeff: this is a non-issue in practice though, you're only noticing it because you're paying too much attention :)
[14:26] <DJJeff> ppa's are super slow as it is
[14:26] <DJJeff> cause there are no mirrors etc
[14:27] <cjwatson> you can use "devel" for PPAs if you really want, which is linked to the latest published series in that archive with any packages in it - but the gotcha there is that that really is *any* packages, even if that PPA has a collection of lots of different things and the thing you're interested in hasn't been updated, so it's not necessarily always appropriate
[14:28] <DJJeff> doing apt-get update for me takes almost 45 seconds :-(
[14:33] <seb128> can we do MPs from git branches pushed to personnal user space?
[14:35] <cjwatson> yes
[14:35] <seb128> I do see a button on e.g https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/geonames/+git/tweaks
[14:35] <seb128> *don't*
[14:35] <cjwatson> seb128: see e.g. https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/turnip/+git/turnip/+merge/279906
[14:35] <cjwatson> seb128: go to the branch you want to merge, not the repository
[14:35] <seb128> oh, right
[14:36] <seb128> thanks cjwatson
[14:38] <DJJeff> ok switching my distro mirrors using https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[14:38] <DJJeff> now its down to 18 seconds
[14:39] <DJJeff> sed -i 's/ca.archive.ubuntu.com/mirror.it.ubc.ca/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:39] <DJJeff> hehe
[15:08] <dobey> DJJeff: if you don't care about source packages too, you can disable any deb-src lines, and it will speed things up a bit. though, i have several PPAs, and update only takes about 4.5 seconds for me.
[15:11] <DJJeff> latency right now is around 60ms to ppa.launchpad.net (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[15:11] <DJJeff> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13860678/
[15:13] <dobey> unless apt is broken and not using a single connection, latency shouldn't matter unless it's up near a second or more
[15:15] <DJJeff> 15% packet loss from <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:15] <DJJeff> lol
[15:15] <DJJeff> United Kingdom Square Pnap-lon Backbone Net
[15:18] <DJJeff> ya I am in canada so thats like 18 hops for me to launchpad
[15:20] <dobey> i'm in the us, so it's not like i'm sitting in the data center either :)
[15:21] <cjwatson> DJJeff: traceroutes are more meaningful if you haven't typoed the target hostname
[15:21] <cjwatson> launchpad != launchpage
[15:21] <DJJeff> oh shit lol
[15:21] <dobey> lol, also that
[15:22] <DJJeff> hold up
[15:23] <DJJeff> issues are more on my end X_X
[15:23] <DJJeff> http://i.imgur.com/gN9f0lf.png
[18:42] <karni> Hi guys. Got a git on Lp related question. I created a project, and can successfully push to lp:~user/project, but not lp:project - I'm the project owner, but git push lp master (where lp is remote on launchpad) just sits there and does nothing.
[18:43] <karni> Question being - any pointers how to get that going? -v just prints "Pushing to git+ssh:// ..." and nothing more
[18:45] <karni> I'll be around bit later, in case there's an answer on what may be wrong with my setup.
[21:57] <cjwatson> karni: Real examples would help.