[00:00] <Amaranth> too late
[00:00] <RAOF> Amaranth: Good morning :)
[00:00] <Amaranth> hey RAOF
[00:00] <Amaranth> no more compiz bug reports for 3 hours!
[00:00] <RAOF> Wooo!
[00:01] <bhsx> bah, kde4 seems really unusable atm....   guess i'll stick to gnome with kde4 apps....  i LOVE the KIO slaves...
[00:01] <bhsx> if gnome had KIO i'd ditch kde completely....
[00:02] <sax891> so, I'm pretty experienced and all, but hardy's got me stumped.  I upgraded yesterday, and lo and behold: Low graphics mode!  I reinstalled the nvidia drivers and everything, did all the xorg dpkg stuff, no luck
[00:02] <RAOF> bhsx: Gnome has gnome-vfs (now GIO).  What is it that KIO does that they don't?
[00:02] <gluer> sax: use envy for hardy
[00:02] <bhsx> although i love konquerer as an ftp/scp
[00:02] <hmuller> sax891: amd64?
[00:02] <Smegzor> hmm!  thats something I haven't tried since 'upgrading'  , KDE :D
[00:03] <bhsx> RAOF: well, i love the pseudo-mounting ability of fish:// for example
[00:03] <bhsx> transparent remote filesystems are A Good Thing
[00:03] <RAOF> bhsx: That'd map to sftp:// URIs in gio, right?
[00:03] <bhsx> i dont know
[00:03] <gaucho> hmuller: all right, it should be my problem. But the bug status is fixed. Once my system is up to date, why I'm having this problem?
[00:03] <bhsx> i've never really used gnome very much
[00:04] <RAOF> bhsx: You get even better with gio - the filesystems you mount are available for non-gvfs apps, too!
[00:04] <sax891> bhsx: I swear by konqueror for web dev
[00:04] <bhsx> i've always been on kde if not fluxbox etc...
[00:04] <Amaranth> fish maps to sftp, basically
[00:04] <bhsx> i'm just starting to use gnome again for the first time since RH5.2
[00:04] <Amaranth> and it does stateful mounts
[00:05] <hmuller> Gaucho: got me.  what's your soundcard, integrated or otherwise?
[00:06] <bhsx> yeah, i think i'm gonna go ahead and keep kde installed but access the apps through gnome... i dont like this new kicker at all
[00:06] <bhsx> brb
[00:06] <hmuller> I like cheerios, metacity, and gnome
[00:07] <sax891> anybody else have xgl / xorg problems with graphics after upgrade? nvidia, btw
[00:07] <gluer> sax: i got flicker random
[00:08] <RAOF> sax891: Oh, you're using Xgl?  Whatever for?
[00:08] <RAOF> gluer: Welcome to the wonderful world of nvidia :(
[00:08] <hmuller> sax891:  8400M GS with no apparent problems here
[00:08] <RAOF> hmuller: You don't run compiz, do you :)
[00:08] <gluer> yeh well, ive had this before and then it was gone in aplha 5 for me
[00:09] <hmuller> RAOF: Haven't ramped it up since the end of the year
[00:09] <gaucho> hmuller: well.. I'm not sure, it's onboard on my asus p5b-plus motherboard. I think it's ADI® AD1988
[00:09] <gaucho> hmuller: my chipset is intel 965p
[00:09] <sax891> RAOF: oh... maybe XGL's the wrong word
[00:09] <RAOF> hmuller: Yeah, then you wouldn't notice any problems (except for abysmal cairo performance, of course).
[00:09] <hmuller> gaucho: that one is out of my league, I'm using intel hda
[00:09] <spiderfire> is there an alternative to the gnome panel?
[00:10] <sax891> spiderfire: if you want a dock, check out avant window navigator
[00:10] <sax891> I just hide my panel
[00:10] <hmuller> RAOF:  guess now that I'm bored after resolving all my minor Hardy issues, I'll have to 'cube' it again.
[00:10] <spiderfire> k thanks
[00:10] <gluer> kiba dock?
[00:11] <sax891> I've never compared kiba and awn
[00:11] <sax891> but awn is awesome, so I have no need
[00:11] <gluer> wtf is cairo?
[00:11] <gluer> a clock?
[00:11] <sax891> yes
[00:11] <sax891> a clock.
[00:12] <gluer> thats it?
[00:12] <gluer> ;-)
[00:12] <ethana2> no
[00:12] <spiderfire> how do i make avm work? i ran it
[00:12] <ethana2> I thought cairo was a pipeline for scalable vector graphic rendering..
[00:12] <h3sp4wn> RAOF: How are you testing it ? (Be interested to see how XiG performs with it)
[00:13] <thompa> sax891: im using fish sometimes
[00:13] <ethana2> macslow's clock happens to use cairo
[00:13] <spiderfire> is avm loaded at gdm?
[00:13] <ethana2> ..which I understand can be accelerated by OpenGL using glitz
[00:13] <spiderfire> awm i mean
[00:13] <gluer> i loaded it via sessions
[00:14] <spiderfire> how do i get that to work?
[00:14] <RAOF> h3sp4wn: There are a number of tests.  The easiest one being "do the gnome-system-monitor graphs eat a core".
[00:15] <RAOF> h3sp4wn: Another one which nvidia fail at is http://blobsallad.se/
[00:16] <RAOF> That blobsalad one is particularly bad.  It's 1-2fps on nvidia, and fluid on nouveau on my laptop.
[00:16] <h3sp4wn> Do I need compiz or not for this ?
[00:16] <RAOF> Doesn't matter.
[00:16] <RAOF> Compiz, metacity, whatever.
[00:17] <ethana2> yarr, evolution data server keeps eating my cpu power
[00:17] <ethana2> i don't even use evolution
[00:17] <ethana2> who does?
[00:17]  * RAOF does.
[00:17] <ethana2> oh
[00:17] <ethana2> I see.
[00:17] <RAOF> It's the least-crap mail client I've found.
[00:17] <hmuller> RAOF:  Maybe I'm just lucky, I'm not seeing any problems with either 3d compiz cubing, nor with cairo.  Give me another test  =)
[00:17] <ethana2> firefox gmail.com
[00:17] <ethana2> oh, AJAX
[00:18] <h3sp4wn> I would prefer to just use pine
[00:18] <RAOF> hmuller: You've tried http://blobsallad.se/ ?  And gnome-system-monitor's graphs?
[00:18] <h3sp4wn> (or alpine) but the garbage sent to me by others means I use evolution for uni mail
[00:19] <hmuller> RAOF:  Resource graphs look fine.
[00:20] <gluer> ok how do i run cairo once its installed
[00:20] <RAOF> hmuller: Oh, yeah.  They _look_ fine.  They don't consume a large portion of CPU time, though?  ~30-40% in X here.
[00:20] <RAOF> And they jerk around a bit :)
[00:21] <h3sp4wn> RAOF: I would consider that alot considering its for nothing
[00:21] <h3sp4wn> Which version the opengl or sdl ?
[00:21] <RAOF> h3sp4wn: The in-browser one, at the top.
[00:21] <Smegzor> Any idea how long launchpad will be down for?
[00:21] <RAOF> There's a blob you can pick up and throw around.
[00:21] <RAOF> Smegzor: 3 hours.
[00:22] <Pici> #launchpad
[00:22] <Smegzor> I'm trying to solve a bug that prevents me changing my gnome wallpaper.  It only changes when x is restarted
[00:22] <jaffarkelshac> anyone upgraded to Hardy
[00:22] <h3sp4wn> Thats fine here with XiG 35 fps
[00:23] <bobbo85> I'm curious as to the pros and cons of Hardy right now, anyone have it installed?
[00:23] <jaffarkelshac> thats what i want to know
[00:23] <davisc> Yes - running it at the mo
[00:23] <jaffarkelshac> mainly coz i went through hell to get gutsy,
[00:24] <RAOF> h3sp4wn: That's a different X server, right?  With a different nvidia driver?
[00:24] <davisc> Pros: New and shiny
[00:24] <hmuller> RAOF: Ok, The blob salad caused Xorg to start eating 90+% of one of my cpu's.  I think I see what yer talking about.
[00:24] <davisc> Cons: Some stuff may be unstable or require tweaking to get working
[00:24] <Smegzor> Does gnome keep a log?  I looked at several in /var/log but didn't find anything relevant.
[00:24] <h3sp4wn> RAOF: Its on a rage mobility with 16MB
[00:24] <davisc> If you're familiar with Ubuntu, it shouldn't be a problem
[00:24] <charles__> whenever I click add/remove apps, I get a window titled "Install multimedia codecs" that is solid gray and doesn't do anything
[00:25] <RAOF> h3sp4wn: Oh, you've got better acceleration than nvidia.
[00:26] <E1337> was wanting to know if someone could help me out im trying to set my dns to a certain ip and everytime it does it about 10 mins later it changes back on me?
[00:26] <E1337> is there a auto update or something?
[00:27] <h3sp4wn> RAOF: Its the only weak point of this laptop (Just one min and I will try with the quadro if nvidia's marketing is to be believed should be ok)
[00:27] <Meshezabeel> I have a problem with my laptop (7.10 worked fine). When I'm not using my laptop for a minute of so, the screen dims very slightly, then when I move the mouse or type something it dims completely. I then have to turn up the brightness manually. Anyone else having this problem?
[00:28] <Meshezabeel> "Dim screen when Idle" is checked on battery mode.
[00:29] <Smegzor> Since upgrading, I can't connect to network shares shared by 8.04  It asks me to login but rejects my user/pass.  Where do I look to fix that?
[00:38] <jaffarkelshac> i had 2 installation on my laptop, i delete the other partition but i am left with 2 swap partitions how do i find out which one i se
[00:38] <jaffarkelshac> use
[00:38] <jaffarkelshac> so i can delete the other
[00:40] <frank23> jaffarkelshac: look in /etc/fstab
[00:41] <hmuller> jaffarkelshac:  you might also look at swapon -s
[00:41] <Itaku> my vino vnc doesnt connect. why?
[00:41] <Itaku>  main:        unable to connect to host: Connection refused (111)
[00:43] <lubosz> zup!
[00:43] <travist120> yo
[00:43] <lubosz> do you know how to rebuild the aplications menu?
[00:44] <lubosz> i have some zombie links in there
[00:44] <lubosz> and dublicates
[00:44] <Itaku> lub: right click panel and add menu bar
[00:44] <lubosz> you mean edit
[00:44] <lubosz> yeah, but its a hell of a work
[00:44] <Itaku> add to panel
[00:44] <Itaku> oh wait
[00:44] <Itaku> you wanna add things?
[00:44] <lubosz> no, rebuild the applications menu
[00:45] <h3sp4wn> RAOF: That works fine with the quadro 1600m (the salad thing)
[00:45] <lubosz> kill all links in there, and do all the usefull links of installed stuff in
[00:45] <Itaku> click revert
[00:45] <Itaku> i yhink
[00:45] <Itaku> think
[00:45] <lubosz> where is revert?
[00:45] <Itaku> system>prefs>main menu
[00:46] <RAOF> h3sp4wn: Oh, with the blob?  Crazy.  What core family is the 1600m?
[00:46] <lubosz> Itaku: thx
[00:46] <h3sp4wn> RAOF: based on 8700m (but with the extra quadro stuff)
[00:47] <RAOF> h3sp4wn: Right, so it's a nv5x.  They've probably got actual acceleration going for you, then.
[00:47] <RAOF> h3sp4wn: Us poor old nv4x users get rubbish performance ;)
[00:47] <Itaku> my vino vnc doesnt connect. why?
[00:47] <Itaku>  main:        unable to connect to host: Connection refused (111)
[00:48] <Smegzor> I can't change the workgroup in system/administration/shared folders general tab.  When I close it, it reverts back to WORKGROUP.
[00:48] <travist120> Itaku: Do you have permission to connect on the other side?
[00:49] <Itaku> ?
[00:49] <Smegzor> I'm able to connect to my shares now though.  I had to re-setup smbusers.
[00:49] <h3sp4wn> RAOF: The thing that annoys me is for day to day use a 16MB radeon mobility works better with XiG's xserver than a mid-range pretty recent quadro with 512MB
[00:49] <lubosz> anyone checked out the 171.06 nvidia beta driver yet?
[00:49] <Itaku> what you mean
[00:49] <h3sp4wn> lubosz: Do you have a 9xxx think thats the only changes
[00:49] <lubosz> h3sp4wn: no 8600
[00:50] <h3sp4wn> lubosz: I wouldn't bother then (check the changelog)
[00:50] <travist120> You have to go in to the other system and click "Accept incoming requests"
[00:50] <Kamicazi> Can anyone help me? lshw stops and dosent detect any hardware
[00:50] <h3sp4wn> run it with sudo ?
[00:51] <Kamicazi> I do
[00:51] <travist120> should be under System -> Prefrences ->Remote Desktop
[00:51] <Smegzor> I fixed my workgroup name.  Editing smb.conf was all that was needed.  The gui couldn't change it.
[00:53] <Smegzor> Where does gnome's config live?
[00:53] <RAOF> Mostly in gconf.
[00:54] <travist120> Gconf
[00:54] <hmuller> Smegzor:  in xml, see library.gnome.org
[00:54] <Smegzor> It seems most of my configuration problems are a general failure of gui's editing conf files
[00:54] <h3sp4wn> Which makes it almost impossible to fix when it messes up :/
[00:54] <Smegzor> doing it by hand seems to work
[00:54] <h3sp4wn> be nice if there was a text based alternative to gconf
[00:55] <h3sp4wn> (Surely the windows registry lesson wasn't learnt :/)
[00:56] <Black_Magic> Errm.... When i BootUp X Doesnt start its some kind of console but its all black
[00:56] <Black_Magic> with a lil blinking thing at the bottom
[00:56] <Black_Magic> and when i move mouse it looks kinda like a console...the only way i can get x to start is to use recovery kernal thing
[00:57] <Black_Magic> but that always gives me errors that X is already running which i dont get >.>
[00:57] <Black_Magic> because i have to reboot to use recovery kernal
[00:58] <lhoerste> i'm trying to update to hardy but the --devel-release flag doesn't cause the update button to show up
[00:59] <Black_Magic> did you try -d ?
[00:59] <Black_Magic> or was that what you meant
[00:59] <lhoerste> yea that is the same flag
[00:59] <lhoerste> that's the single letter version
[00:59] <lhoerste> i also tried -c -d but that didn't work either
[00:59] <Black_Magic> >.>
[00:59] <lhoerste> here's the output on the command line "current dist not found in meta-release file"
[01:00] <Black_Magic> Maybe you need to update your entire system first?
[01:00] <lhoerste> its all up to date already
[01:00] <Black_Magic> Probably because you dont have the dist upgrade file that has the data for the new dist
[01:00] <Black_Magic> Have you tried upgrading from the Hardy Live CD?
[01:01] <lhoerste> Black_Magic: I added the file
[01:01] <hmuller> updating to hardy seems to cause headaches, versus a backup, install, restore scenario.
[01:01] <lhoerste> I dont have a burnable CD
[01:01] <lhoerste> i updated my desktop just fine
[01:01] <Black_Magic> Unetbootin has an installer for Hardy
[01:01] <Black_Magic> Try that and then get the image and Mount it
[01:01] <lhoerste> what's that?
[01:02] <Black_Magic> Well im lost >.>
[01:02] <lhoerste> what's the Unetbootin?
[01:02] <Black_Magic> mm Once i Upgraded by downloading the new image mounting it
[01:02] <Black_Magic> and its just like the CDs in drive and i beileave it works just the same
[01:03] <lhoerste> that's not safe
[01:03] <lhoerste> it wont make a full install if it loads anything form disc
[01:03] <lhoerste> oh i see
[01:03] <lhoerste> i'll try that
[01:05] <Black_Magic> You understand what i meant?
[01:06] <lime4x4> hmuller what did u mean by rmmod'd ehci for my bluetooth issue
[01:08] <hmuller> lime4x4:  My problem was caused by a problem with the ehci_hcd module, $ sudo rmmod ehci_hcd cured the probem, but then I didn't have USB2.0 support ...
[01:08] <hmuller> lime4x4:  that my not be your issue, but you could rule it out by trying it
[01:09] <lime4x4> ok thanks
[01:09] <Black_Magic> Back sorry
[01:10] <lhoerste> Black_Magic: yea I understand
[01:10] <Black_Magic> it was lagging :/
[01:15] <hmuller> back to suspend / hibernate fixin ...
[01:17] <Black_Magic> anyone know how to enable SELinux?
[01:18] <charles__> whenever I click add/remove apps, I get a window titled "Install multimedia codecs" that is solid gray and doesn't do anything
[01:18] <charles__> is there a way to see what is going wrong?
[01:23] <xptical> hi all.  8.04 beta KDE4 user here.  can someone explain the "drivers" dialog box that pops up?  It pops at every boot and I click "enable" but the drivers continue to be disabled.  am I missing something?
[01:24] <steintr> Hello.  Quick question --- does anyone know if there is a Hardy package containing debug symbols for firefox3?  I see firefox-2-dbg, but I'd like to get gdb symbols for firefox3 (and ideally without recompiling from source).
[01:25] <RAOF> steintr: You'd be looking for the dbgsym repositories mentioned in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[01:26] <xptical>  I have an ATI chipset on my laptop.  At the launch of KDE, it asks me to enable the drivers for the chipset.  I click "enable" and fglrx still does not activate.
[01:27] <steintr> RAOF: Ah, thanks.   I guess I was thrown by the fact that firefox-2-dbg was in universe.
[01:27] <arpu> hi
[01:28] <arpu> powertop:
[01:28] <arpu>  58,9% (1147,0)   <kernel IPI> : Rescheduling interrupts
[01:28] <arpu> does anybody know something about this ?
[01:29] <RAOF> steintr: Yeah.  Some packages have explicit -dbg variants (this is useful in Debian), but we have the infrastructure to create dbgsym packages automatically for everything.
[01:30] <arpu> ah found it
[01:30] <arpu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/177895
[01:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177895 in linux "Kernel 2.6.24-2 causing ~1000 wakeups by "Rescheduling Interrupts"" [Medium,In progress]
[01:34] <lubosz> do you know the file where to set the color between login screen and gnome (its brownish by default). its a hex value, i changed it before, but dont remember the file anymore...
[01:34] <lubosz> dist upgrade changed that back :<
[01:34] <jbwiv_> guys, I'm on hardy with SBLive. Apparently there was a bug with all modules, including soundcore, being left out when you upgraded from gusty. I installed those and now sound is working when the gdm screen arrives (I hear the drum tha tha thump), but once I log in,sound is gone again. Any ideas what I can do to fix?
[01:34] <lubosz> jbwiv_: try other sound deamons
[01:35] <jbwiv_> lubosz: not alsa?
[01:35] <lubosz> system => preferences => sounds
[01:35] <lubosz> e.g. oss
[01:35] <lubosz> autodetect does not work?
[01:35] <poseidon> Where can I get a list of ubuntu software repositories, so I can find out how the programs are catigorized and indexed?
[01:36] <lubosz> poseidon: do you want to list the repo or get new ones?
[01:36] <steintr> RAOF: Neat.  Although judging from the gdb backtrace, I'd have to install symbols for a whole heck of a lot more libraries to see everything.  Oh well. :(
[01:36] <lubosz> poseidon: afaik i dont know any repo search engines, try google :D
[01:36] <jbwiv_> lubosz: you are the man. Autodetect did not work apparently...when I switched manually to alsa it works. THANKS!
[01:36] <lubosz> jbwiv_: np
[01:37] <RAOF> steintr: Yeah.  I tend to have a bunch of dbgsym packages installed, since they take up nothing but HD space.
[01:37] <frank23> poseidon: packages.ubuntu.com  is this what you're looking for? you can browse by category within synaptic also
[01:38] <steintr> RAOF: The truth is, it's fairly rare that I get frustrated enough to fire up gdb these days, although I still remember how from my more active programming years...
[01:39] <steintr> RAOF: Anyway, thanks.  Gotta run.
[01:41] <poseidon> frank23, I was actually trying to figure out the structure of the repos, but better yet, do you know where I can find the source code for the apt-get instal application?
[01:42] <poseidon> *install
[01:42] <Dr_willis> wowsers.. wireless networking.. just... worked! :)
[01:42] <Dr_willis> Thats a first for this machine.. heh heh
[01:42] <RAOF> poseidon: Yup.  "apt-get source apt-get" :)
[01:43] <frank23> poseidon: you can get the source code from the repositories.  apt-get source packagename I think...   you need the source repositories enabled
[01:43] <Dr_willis> Hmm. is the medibuntu repos up yet for hardy?  Cant seem to track them down. :(
[01:43] <Dr_willis> !w32codecs
[01:43] <ubotu> The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[01:43] <poseidon> thanks
[01:47] <rchrdcrg> ugh, I desperately need help... I can't open any file windows or anything pertaining to Nautilus... my computer is almost totally useless
[01:49] <Dr_willis> rchrdcrg,  you could try adding/creating a new user. see if it works for them. If so - then its your original users settings that mayt be to blame. If so you could clean out the .gnome* dirs to reset the settings
[01:52] <sarlu|martalli> I'm happy top report that suspend is working now on my Dell m1210 laptop with hardy kubuntu (not in kde4, but kde3 is fine =).  Heck, even the webcam works....now if only webKam was in the repos, but cheese will do =)
[01:53] <rchrdcrg> well I already tried cleaning out the .gnome and .nautilus directories, and that didn't work at all
[01:53] <Dr_willis> rchrdcrg,  theres also the .gtk* dirs
[01:54] <rchrdcrg> aaaah, didn't try that
[01:54] <Dr_willis> rchrdcrg,  it may be quicker to just try making a new user. :)
[01:54] <rchrdcrg> i'm about to try that :)
[01:54] <rchrdcrg> brb!
[01:56] <rchrdcrg> ....and it didn't work.
[01:57] <rchrdcrg> when I boot up, it tries to load my home folder, and it just keeps flashing open and closed on the bottom panel
[01:57] <poseidon> I asked this a second ago, but I had to reboot into ubuntu so could someone please tell me how to get the source for the sudo apt-get install program?
[01:57] <Dr_willis> rchrdcrg,  weird. you could try making a X session that just launches a Xterm, and no window manager, and run gnome from that terminal, and see if any errors show up
[01:57] <Laney> poseidon: apt-get source <application>
[01:57] <Dr_willis> its work time for me. Good luck
[01:58] <rchrdcrg> i'm not even sure how to do that
[01:59] <rchrdcrg> guess I'll figure it out, cuz I've gotta run... thanks
[01:59] <poseidon> Laney, apt-get source apt-get doesn't work
[01:59] <Laney> poseidon: It's probably in the apt package
[02:00] <lubosz> omfg
[02:00] <lubosz> suspend to ram works in hardy
[02:02] <poseidon> Laney, where can I find the apt package?  sorry i'm a bit new to linux
[02:02] <Laney> poseidon: Eh, you should be able to do apt-get source apt
[02:03] <Laney> What do you hope to find out by doing this?
[02:03] <RAOF> poseidon: Do you have the source repositories enabled?
[02:03] <lubosz> poseidon: you are new to linux but want to get cracking some sources :D
[02:04] <poseidon> lubosz, new to linux, not programming
[02:06] <Kamicazi> Can anyone tell me why "sudo lshw" is not working for me?
[02:10] <clinton> How do I restart the pulse server?
[02:12] <tanner> /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart
[02:15] <clinton> Ok, this is jsut wierd.  I got a notification telling me that pulse crashed, so of course the first thing I do is look in /etc/init.d/ for a pulse script, there isn't one.
[02:15] <RAOF> clinton: killall pulseaudio ; pulseaudio
[02:15] <RAOF> clinton: Yeah; we don't use the system-wide daemon for a number of reasons.  Pulse is started by your session.
[02:15] <clinton> ah, OK
[02:16] <clinton> Can I ask what the reasons are?  I'm curious.
[02:16] <RAOF> So, one is security.
[02:16] <clinton> RAOF: as in don't run pulse as root?
[02:17] <RAOF> Yes, and don't allow people to add/remove pulse modules from a common daemon.
[02:17] <clinton> k
[02:18] <RAOF> There are other reasons, but I've forgotten them.  ;)
[02:18] <clinton> RAOF: that's alright..
[02:19] <clinton> My next question: who do I have to bribe to include awn-extras along with the other awn packages?  (think avant-window-navigator)
[02:20] <mrpoundsign> hello. Seems that my upgrade of mysql-server to 5.0.45 (from 5.0.38) has broken my rt database (request-tracker3.6) -- getting rrors about incorrect information in /frm files. Is anyone familiar with this issue, and do they know how to resolve it?
[02:23] <Zoris> HELP: My CPU is stuck at /100%
[02:24] <Zoris> weird, it seems the process "evolution-data-server-2.22" was doing it...
[02:25] <mrpoundsign> evolution is a nightmare.
[02:25] <mrpoundsign> in my experience. :)
[02:26] <tmh__> I don't know anyone who uses evolution in any way
[02:28] <tmh__> it's perhaps the single biggest failure of the open source movement
[02:29] <clinton> Evolution?  that was a funny movie
[02:36] <Bsims> Why is there a new version of kde nearly every day for stable tree in hardy
[02:37] <justAtempNick> Bsims: because kde4 isn't really stable, in my experience :-)
[02:37] <Bsims> I am not running kde 4
[02:38] <martalli|sarlu> and hardy isn't actually stable yet
[02:38] <martalli|sarlu> almosta month to go until the release still
[02:38] <martalli|sarlu> At least the suspend works on kubuntu-kde3 on my dell m1210 now (thanks Riddell!)
[02:38] <Bsims> heh still in three days to have three versions of the whole kde and most of gnome seemed a touch excessive
[02:38] <Bsims> Oh BTW MIT has some fast fast mirrors
[02:39] <tim__> Will kde4 become super stable in Septermber ????
[02:39] <Bsims> unlikely till at least 4.1 in my experence
[02:39] <tim__> 4.1 comes in September....
[02:39] <justAtempNick> Bsims: this is likely why I couldn't download 8.04 with jigdo, the files were replaced
[02:40] <Bsims> Oh really
[02:40] <tim__> i think so
[02:40] <Bsims> I wait till at least the first dot release before I even try new kde releases
[02:41] <Bsims> any way to tell xchat not to be a prat and cover up my timestamp with user names?
[02:41] <tim__> July 29th, 2008: Release KDE 4.1  Even earlier
[02:41] <tim__> just in 4 months it will come out
[02:42] <tim__> http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Schedules/KDE4/4.1_Release_Schedule
[02:42] <clinton> Will 8.04 include KDE 4.1 when it comes out?
[02:42] <justAtempNick> anyway, they didn't fix the biggest problem with kde, lack of proper integration with firefox
[02:42] <tim__> they would prolly make a spin version
[02:42] <martalli|sarlu> Sometimes riddell will roll them out for us
[02:42] <martalli|sarlu> otoh, getting 8.10 might be a big project
[02:43] <martalli|sarlu> and canonical doesn't give him enough help.  He's not even a permanent member of the team, they give him a spearate contract for each release
[02:43] <IanLiu> Whenever I upgrade my Ubuntu from older Ubuntu, I have problems with my Sound Card. From Dapper to Gutsy, and now from Gutsy to Hardy. What can I do to make it work?
[02:44] <clinton> IanLiu: don't upgrade?
[02:44] <Bsims> IanLiu, I just rerun the sound detect it takes like 20 seconds
[02:44] <IanLiu> How do I ran it?
[02:45] <IanLiu> How do I run* it? ;p
[02:45] <Bsims> IanLiu, it tells you how when you first log on
[02:46] <Bsims> let me check IanLiu
[02:47] <IanLiu> Thanks.. because the only alert he gave to me is that I may have the wrong GStreamer
[02:48] <Bsims> man asoundconf
[02:48] <IanLiu> let me try
[02:52]  * Bsims grins it ether fixed his problem or ate his HD
[02:53] <subsume> can someone help me figure out why my NSS drive isn't loading in Hardy with an identical fstab entry to Gusty machines which load it fine?
[02:53] <Bsims> nss drive?
[02:54] <subsume> nss loading /home drive
[02:54] <DG19075> Hey all...will OpenOffice Formula be included? Trying to find it in the main menu but no luck
[02:54] <Bsims> expand nss please I don't recognise that phrase
[02:54] <subsume> Bsims you load your home drive over a network via NSS
[02:54] <Bsims> does it give you any errors in /var/log/messages
[02:55] <clinton> DG19075: you might just have to install it yourself
[02:55] <IanLiu> DG19075: If you enter inside spread sheet, and click new
[02:56] <IanLiu> there is a Formula editor
[02:56] <subsume> Bsims: not that i see
[02:56] <Bsims> Hrm no idea then
[02:56] <subsume> I have <IP_ADDRESS>:/home /home nfs .... in fstab
[02:56] <Bsims> wierd that it wouldn't log some sort of error
[02:57] <subsume> NFS not nss
[02:57]  * Bsims hrms do me a favor compare your /etc/hosts on hardy vs gutsy
[02:57] <subsume> more or less identical
[02:57]  * Bsims had a error on upgrade where it didn't put my host name in /etc/hosts
[02:57] <subsume> ssh to the server machine works fine
[02:58] <Bsims> broke sudo and apt for me but humor me and see if it isn't something silly like that or if its using a different subnet
[03:00] <subsume> how to tell what packages are installed via ocmmand line?
[03:00] <subsume> that match nfs ?
[03:03] <IanLiu> No luck with sound..
[03:12] <ddalton> hey can someone please tel me what version of speechd-up is in the repo? aptitude show speechd-up
[03:12] <BHSPitMonkey> ...?
[03:13] <BHSPitMonkey> Why don't you just look yourself?
[03:15] <ddalton> because im on feisty and im not updating I just no it works and need version numbers. ok?
[03:16] <BHSPitMonkey> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[03:16] <ddalton> ok I won't bother then. your very helpful. its probably easier for you to look it up with aptitude than find that url and post it.
[03:17] <BHSPitMonkey> Good riddance
[03:27] <nife> Does the PyDev package come with the nag screens ?
[03:27] <clinton> wow what a jackass
[03:30] <googlah> good evenin all
[03:33] <tux97> how come xmms wouldn't work?
[03:34] <vlowther> tux97: because it has been replaced by audacious?
[03:35] <tux97> just said it wasn't supported by this system
[03:37] <Hobbsee> subsume: dpkg -l
[03:38] <Hobbsee> BHSPitMonkey: you wanted to point him to rmadison, in devscripts, iirc.
[03:38] <Hobbsee> but yeah, as for why he can't look it up himself...
[03:38] <tux97> vlowther ty for the response just was wondering why i couldn't install it
[03:45] <vlowther> tux97: yeah.  use audacious instead.  It is like xmms, but written to modern libraries
[03:46] <tux97> ok i might do that when i reinstall hardy
[03:48] <googlah> just tried audacious and it's as good as xmms :)
[03:48] <tux97> ok googlah
[03:50] <c-ron> anyone else having problems with firefox 3b4 not displaying images correctly?
[03:51] <bkoch> Where is the VNC configuration file?  I am getting a connection refuesd and wondering if there is a way i can log into my heron scomputer remotely first enabling vnc by ssh
[03:52] <bkoch> I think my computer may be at the gdl login screen but not sure
[03:52] <alfermp> hey guys somebody have hardy beta? i can not connect to the internet with wifi and WAP security
[03:56] <BHSPitMonkey> bkoch, vino-preferences?
[03:56] <BHSPitMonkey> that's what it is pre-hardy at least, I don't actually know if that's still the case.
[03:59] <BHSPitMonkey> Hobbsee, he was being pretty dang rude
[04:00] <BHSPitMonkey> tux97, audacious even supports xmms/winamp themes and xmms plugins, it's great.
[04:00] <crimeboy> hi, what version of glibc on hardy?
[04:00] <bkoch> BHSP I am logged in via SSH and need to access the preferences remotely
[04:00] <tux97> cool ty bhspitmonkey
[04:01] <BHSPitMonkey> bkoch, I understand that
[04:01] <bkoch> well when i run the /usr/bin/vino-preferences i get gtk warning cant open display il seach for more
[04:01] <tux97> how do u get wirless working?
[04:01] <BHSPitMonkey> bkoch, you need to enable x-forwarding when you ssh in.  Use -X.
[04:01] <BHSPitMonkey> (ssh -X user@host)
[04:18] <leo_rockw> hello
[04:18] <Tom__> >	Well I have a ATI Express 1250 and under fiesty i just install xorg-driver-fglrx / depmod -a / aticonfig --initial..... but on 8.04 i get a error with "aticonfig --initial" 0_o
[04:18] <leo_rockw> i need some kde volunteers to try to reproduce a bug
[04:19] <Tom__> Any help?
[04:19] <leo_rockw> whenever i push the media key (the one that's supposed to launch amarok) kmilo crashes and all services are stopped.
[04:20] <leo_rockw> Tom__: what's the error?
[04:20] <leo_rockw> i want to know if anybody else is experiencing the same behavious with the media key, and to leave a comment here if that's the case: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/+bug/205534
[04:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205534 in kdeutils "[Hardy] Kmilo crashes with media center key" [Undecided,New]
[04:21] <leo_rockw> behaviour*
[04:22] <Tom__> data incomplete in file /etc/X11/org.conf ......
[04:22] <Tom__> Device section "configured video device"
[04:22] <ubuntu-ubuntu> Hello! does vmware work with Hardy beta?
[04:23] <leo_rockw> Tom__: i installed fglrx in feisty, gutsy and hardy and i never read anything like that. what did google say?
[04:24] <Tom__> Nothing directly to my problem comes up with Hardy... Fiesty & Gutsy works fine.
[04:25] <DG19075> Looks like OpenOffice calls the Formula app OpenOffice Math these days. Thanks to those who had me look for it!:-D
[04:27] <leo_rockw> Tom__: i wish i could help you, but i have no idea what could be causing that error.
[04:27] <leo_rockw> Tom__: i had problems with fglrx + hardy myself, but nothing like that
[04:28] <Beau> hello!
[04:28] <Black_Magic> Hello
[04:28] <Tom__> I may try and manually install 8.04...I did it with Wubi because im lazy..
[04:28] <Black_Magic> lol..
[04:28] <Black_Magic> If windows gets a virus
[04:29] <Black_Magic> your poop
[04:29] <Beau> So i installed 8.04 and the upgrade failed on me, now when i try to run dpkg --configure -a it fails due to too many errors and aborts
[04:29] <Tom__> Lol @ viruseseses
[04:29] <Black_Magic> >.>
[04:29] <Black_Magic> Lol i had the SAME problems
[04:29] <Black_Magic> you sure you dont have some unsupported Repos or such?
[04:30] <Beau> Black_Magic: me?
[04:30] <Black_Magic> Yea
[04:30] <Beau> yeah i probably do
[04:31] <Beau> didn't even think about them before upgrade
[04:31] <leo_rockw> h/o...
[04:31] <leo_rockw> the upgrade took care of my sources.list
[04:31] <leo_rockw> so the unsupported repos and such were commented out
[04:32] <leo_rockw> didn't it do the same for you?
[04:32] <leo_rockw> (a message told me about this before installing)
[04:32] <Beau> eh well my upgrade failed so i'm not sure
[04:32] <Tom__> God damnit I hate ATI. Always spoils my day.
[04:32] <leo_rockw> Tom__: join the club
[04:32] <leo_rockw> Tom__: i have ati and broadcom
[04:34] <Tom__> Lol :p I'm not buying another pc with ATI again... ever.. ever ever ever
[04:34] <Black_Magic> Have you used anything like Envy?
[04:34] <Black_Magic> Or Automatix?
[04:34] <Black_Magic> Or EasyUbuntu?
[04:34] <leo_rockw> Tom__: AMD is kinda doing a good job now. but we'll have to wait some time to see the results
[04:34] <Beau> Black_magic: easyubuntu
[04:34] <leo_rockw> Tom__: the people at #compiz-fusion told me there might be a pretty good open driver by september or so
[04:34] <Black_Magic> Yep
[04:35] <Black_Magic> That would sometimes render you unable to upgrade
[04:35] <Black_Magic> because of what scripts like that do to your system
[04:35] <Black_Magic> You may have to do a Fresh install
[04:36] <leo_rockw> yup, what Black_Magic might be the cause of your problem
[04:36] <Tom__> September >_>
[04:36] <Beau> Black_Magic: ah, best way to go about that, just use the live cd and install again?
[04:36] <leo_rockw> Tom__: yup, a loong wait
[04:36] <Black_Magic> Yea
[04:36] <Black_Magic> Or Try and Upgrade via Live CD
[04:36] <Black_Magic> Pop it in and it should prompt you to upgrade
[04:37] <Beau> hmm didn't think i saw that option but ill check again
[04:38] <Black_Magic> usualy something pops up after the disk is loaded
[04:38] <Tom__> Hmmm to install KDE 4 or not to install KDE 4...That is the question..
[04:38] <Black_Magic> lol
[04:38] <Black_Magic> Not to install
[04:38] <Black_Magic> alot of programs dont support KDE4 Yet
[04:38] <Tom__> Is it clutterd like 3?
[04:38] <Black_Magic> So its best to wait
[04:39] <omar_> Guys is the POP password the same one you enter when you login to your e-mail account??
[04:39] <leo_rockw> Tom__: kde4 is not stable enough for daily use, imo
[04:39] <Black_Magic> If your trying to do it with Hotmail or Yahoo you have to pay.
[04:39] <Tom__> Oh right, Is KDE4 clutterd like KDE3?
[04:39] <Black_Magic> Half and Half
[04:39] <leo_rockw> Tom__: i love kde3, so i would never call it cluttered
[04:40] <Tom__> Fair dous :P
[04:41] <leo_rockw> Tom__: i'd be biased if i answered your question
[04:41] <Tom__> You know deep down it is.
[04:41]  * Black_Magic in Soviet Russia Your Computer Upgrades YOU
[04:41] <Black_Magic> not the present russia in USSR
[04:42] <leo_rockw> Tom__: i never use the K menu anyway, it's all about katapult and yakuake
[04:44] <Hobbsee> Black_Magic: you can run kde3 programs in kde4, you know...
[04:44] <Black_Magic> still some are not too supported
[04:44] <Black_Magic> and buggy
[04:44] <Black_Magic> Oh anyone have problems with SELinux?
[04:45] <Tom__> Hmmm kde is tempting..even if it is *clutterd*. The default theme of ubuntu isn't exactly a turn on :)
[04:45] <rexy_> Black_Magic, heu is it in the ubuntu kernel now?
[04:45] <Lynoure> clutterd sounds like a daemon
[04:45] <Black_Magic> Well when i do gnome-system-monitor it says Selinux is installed
[04:45] <Black_Magic> but not enabled >.>
[04:45] <rexy_> ah
[04:46] <Lynoure> Tom__: maybe if you explain what you mean by clutterd, it becomes easier to answer?
[04:46] <Black_Magic> also i tried doing a sudo apt-get install selinux and now i got errors
[04:46] <leo_rockw> Tom__: kubuntu hardy won't be lts
[04:46] <Black_Magic> and also X doesnt start when i reboot...
[04:46] <rexy_> Black_Magic, why do you want selinux?
[04:46] <Black_Magic> i dunno
[04:46] <Black_Magic> I really just wonder why X doesnt start when i reboot
[04:46] <dubby> hey anyone do you know if compiz will work with aiglx?
[04:46] <Black_Magic> dubby:  it does
[04:47] <rexy_> well see why it fails
[04:47] <dubby> ok i asked for help in #compiz and they told me they won't help me because im using hardy
[04:47] <Black_Magic> lol
[04:47] <rexy_> the xorg log is a good place to look
[04:47] <Black_Magic> NEVER TELL A channel what version of ubuntu your using if its
[04:47] <Tom__> http://jucato.org/gallery/d/49-2/kde-core-desktop2.jpg                   meh...just look...stuff everywhere...spins me out 0_o
[04:47] <Black_Magic> not Stable yet
[04:47] <Black_Magic> lol
[04:47] <Black_Magic> Say Ubuntu Gusty Gibbon
[04:47] <Black_Magic> Always works :P
[04:47] <dubby> yeah i tried playing it off as gutsy but they didn't buy it
[04:47] <leo_rockw> they helped me in #compiz-fusion
[04:48] <tritium> Black_Magic: please don't do that in #ubuntu
[04:48] <Black_Magic> I dont do it in #ubuntu
[04:48] <leo_rockw> i told them "i'm using hardy, i'm NOT going to use compiz" and they helped me anyway
[04:48] <Black_Magic> only off brand channels like #winehq
[04:48] <dubby> anycase
[04:48] <Black_Magic> Also i usualy dont do it anyways
[04:48] <Black_Magic> i just ask for help and they usualy help
[04:48] <Lynoure> Tom__: if I Open the same view, it looks very different.  I should stop using revouninstaller -_-
[04:55] <Tom__> Meh, im going to install KDE now seeing as wubi has left a backup..
[04:55] <leo_rockw> Tom__: kde 3.5.9 is great
[04:56] <Black_Magic> mm i forgot that image pasting site
[04:56] <leo_rockw> Black_Magic: imagevenue? imageshack?
[04:56] <Lynoure> Tom__: The best way to find out if you'll like something is indeed trying it out yourself :)
[04:56] <Black_Magic> imageshack thats it
[04:56] <Black_Magic> i was about to say smallshack..
[04:56] <Tom__> Lol i tried KDE the other week... It annoyed me instantly so i removed it from virtualbox
[04:57] <Black_Magic> i tried Vista The other week i used it for 3hrs and then immediatly deleted it :/ I never want to see vista again
[04:58] <Tom__> Its not that bad... >_>
[04:58] <Tom__> *that*
[04:58] <Black_Magic> well my other week was when it first came out :/
[04:58] <Black_Magic> i need to get more ram :/
[04:59] <Tom__> Me has 2gb and i still hate installing security software -_-
[04:59] <leo_rockw> i bought my laptop and it had vista on it. i formated and installed xp. i installed utorrent, i downloaded kubuntu feisty, i formated my HD and installed kubuntu feisty.
[04:59] <leo_rockw> The End
[05:00] <Black_Magic> well i bought a WD passport for experimenting...
[05:00] <Black_Magic> atm ive tried Federa Backtrack USB version Kubuntu
[05:00] <Tom__> I have a WD passport 60gb rolf
[05:00] <Black_Magic> Eggy
[05:00] <Black_Magic> lol
[05:00] <Black_Magic> i have a 149GB
[05:01] <Tom__> don't make no difference to me...vista doesnt pick it up either way
[05:01] <Tom__> >_>
[05:03] <leo_rockw> i'd rather be blind than get vista... (that joke makes no sense in english... ¬¬)
[05:04] <Tom__> it does look good though..
[05:06] <VanDyke> using ubuntu beta for a week now
[05:06] <VanDyke> very happy with it
[05:06] <tanner> good good
[05:08] <ethana2> Leo: I get it
[05:08] <leo_rockw> i didn't notice changes, except this one message that tells me "dude, your ~ is almost full, don't be a slacker and burn some dvds"
[05:08] <leo_rockw> ethana2: good evening good sir
[05:08] <ethana2> :)
[05:09] <leo_rockw> ethana2: what is it that you get?
[05:09] <ethana2> the joke
[05:10] <leo_rockw> ethana2: ooo, haha
[05:10] <ethana2> ..but i'm not your average english speaker
[05:10] <ethana2> ...ogle won't play dvd's if a machine has been hibernated or suspended
[05:10] <ethana2> we have to restart this laptop whenever we want to play a dvd
[05:10] <ethana2> ...and it beeps at us too
[05:10] <ethana2> loudly
[05:17] <Kamicazi> Hey anyone available?
[05:19] <hydrogen_> !ask | Kamicazi
[05:19] <ubotu> Kamicazi: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[05:22] <pedantic-steve> hi Ubuntu-ers.  I just upgraded to Hardy.  Is there a way to take a snapshot of  my customized system so I can restore it easier if I mess it up later?
[05:23] <jimiridge> guess you could try taring up the hole drive
[05:24] <h3sp4wn> You could just use dd if you wanted
[05:24] <loa> Hello. I have gnome and sometimes when i start new program my default cursor changes to another. How i can disable this?
[05:25] <h3sp4wn> Good question that annoys me also
[05:25] <pedantic-steve> hmm, there is no utility then specifically for that purpose?  like a system backup/restore program? (more than jsut data backup)
[05:26] <loa> h3sp4wn, (
[05:27] <h3sp4wn> pedantic-steve: There are but they are just pretty gui's around dd
[05:27] <h3sp4wn> perhaps with some compression added
[05:28] <h3sp4wn> pedantic-steve: perhaps try using partimage (or partimage-server)
[05:28] <pedantic-steve> ok, thanks h3spawn
[05:28] <h3sp4wn> but do it from a live cd
[05:28] <h3sp4wn> Those type of backups don't really want to be done with open files
[05:29] <pedantic-steve> thanks.  what I want to do is create a restore DVD.. I would have thought there was a utility out there to do that.
[05:30] <quentusrex> How's the stability of the new beta?
[05:30] <h3sp4wn> Its not really necessary
[05:30] <pedantic-steve> will give partimage a shot
[05:30] <h3sp4wn> Infact you are probably better just backing up the package list
[05:30] <h3sp4wn> and your user files
[05:30] <quentusrex> are there any major bugs still in the beta?
[05:30] <quentusrex> major stability bugs? for a desktop workstation?
[05:31] <tanner> depends on hardware configurations and what your doing
[05:31] <tanner> there will always be bugs
[05:31] <Black_Magic> can someone remind me what i was going to do >.<
[05:31] <h3sp4wn> madwifi is a real mess
[05:31] <loa> quentusrex, i have it) i like is!)
[05:31] <pedantic-steve> h3spawn: I want to save time with all the wine apps I have installed, the vpn configuration files, compiz customization, etc.  that stuff takes forever for me to finish
[05:31] <loa> *it
[05:32] <h3sp4wn> pedantic-steve: That stuff is in /home right ?
[05:32] <quentusrex> I am running an nvidia dual monitor workstation
[05:32] <quentusrex> and I'm really looking forward to evolution 2.22, plus some of the other features.
[05:32] <quentusrex> Are most of the packages that are available in 7.10 still available?
[05:32] <pedantic-steve> h3spawn, yes, I think all that stuff is in /home
[05:32] <h3sp4wn> pedantic-steve: dpkg --get-selections > ~/packages
[05:32] <pedantic-steve> ahhh, thx
[05:33] <h3sp4wn> pedantic-steve: dpkg --set-selections < ~/packages && apt-get dselect-upgrade (if ever necessary from that file)
[05:34] <loa> How i can install cursor theme in gnome?
[05:34] <h3sp4wn> That will get the packages installed then you just restore the backup of /home
[05:34] <quentusrex> What reasons are there that should prevent me from upgrading right now?
[05:34] <h3sp4wn> \!?
[05:34] <loa> quentusrex, yeh)
[05:35] <h3sp4wn> quentusrex: Well the good news is most of the bugs with gutsy are fixed
[05:35] <loa> dual monitor... i think you must try live cd/
[05:35] <h3sp4wn> but there is loads of new ones
[05:35] <loa> for example?
[05:35] <Black_Magic> what are these ""
[05:35] <Black_Magic> ?
[05:35] <h3sp4wn> Look in launchpad
[05:36] <quentusrex> h3sp4wn, link?
[05:36] <loa> launchpad.net
[05:36] <chicobo329> hi, I have a problem with the sound and resolution of my laptop on Hardy.
[05:36] <h3sp4wn> No - if you cannot find that then you shouldn't run Hardy yet
[05:36] <loa> h3sp4wn, i mean what annoing you?)
[05:36] <quentusrex> :)
[05:36] <hrlr> anyone use emesene?
[05:36] <chicobo329> I think I caused the problem with regards to resolution by accident when trying to fix the sound
[05:37] <h3sp4wn> loa: Thats just being lazy not even trying to find the link
[05:37] <h3sp4wn> chicobo329: Try to be a little more verbose
[05:37] <chicobo329> right I'm getting to that
[05:37] <loa> h3sp4wn, nop i mean what bugs annoing you in your installation)
[05:37] <chicobo329> I was just loading some stuff up, my apologies
[05:38] <loa> For example i my installation all is very stable =)
[05:38] <hrlr> I can't get emesene to log chats.  It appears like this functionality might be broken.
[05:38] <h3sp4wn> loa: evolution-data-server 100% cpu at least once a day
[05:38] <chicobo329> my laptop is a HP Pavilion DV2415nr. It has nVidia Geforce go and nVidia sound as well, I frget the name off the top of my head
[05:38] <loa> =(
[05:38] <h3sp4wn> Laptop internal audio really sucks without oss4
[05:39] <quentusrex> will there be another beta release? or will there only be one?
[05:39] <h3sp4wn> And its really painful to use it
[05:39] <h3sp4wn> !schedule
[05:39] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[05:39] <chicobo329> when trying to get my sound to work, doing a modprobe at the terminal for snd-hda-intel but it didn't find it
[05:39] <chicobo329> but if I use a find command, it shows me the file
[05:39] <chicobo329> the laptop acts as if there's no soundcards
[05:39] <tanner> chicobo329: run depmod
[05:39] <loa> run depmod
[05:39] <loa> tanner, ))
[05:39] <chicobo329> that's what I did
[05:39] <tanner> :)
[05:39] <chicobo329> I did depmod -aAe
[05:40] <quentusrex> sheesh... I asked if there would be a second beta release of hardy
[05:40] <chicobo329> but now it broke my nVidia fix, I used Envy for that
[05:40] <chicobo329> so now the resolution is stuck at 800x600
[05:40] <h3sp4wn> chicobo329: sudo apt-get install module-assistant alsa-source && m-a a-i alsa
[05:40] <chicobo329> okay I'll try this out
[05:40] <h3sp4wn> *sudo m-a a-i alsa
[05:41] <tanner> envy is unsupported by ubuntu, if you can find the module depmod should resolve the issue and modprobe --list | grep snd-hda-intel should output something
[05:41] <loa> How i can install new cursor theme in ubuntu?
[05:41] <tanner> chicobo329: your running in vesa mode, because the nvidia drivers broke, reinstall and reboot and it may work again, however please understand we cannot support Envy
[05:42] <chicobo329> Gotcha, that's fine. I'll use anything to get my video working right, Envy or otherwise
[05:48] <ether_c> so..
[05:48] <ether_c> does anyone know if there's an easy way to get the ipw3945 driver back on ubuntu hardy?
[05:48] <ether_c> they've switched to iwlwifi
[05:49] <ether_c> but that doesn't work with the aircrack suite
[05:49] <chicobo329> I think the alsa-source building was botched. It went from 88% to 0% and seems to have hanged
[05:49] <chicobo329> oh wait never mind
[05:49] <chicobo329> that was weird though, I guess it hanged for a bit
[05:49] <h3sp4wn> ether_c: Well fix it then
[05:49] <h3sp4wn> find a newer patch
[05:49] <chicobo329> alright it finished, so I'll restart right?
[05:49] <ether_c> actually, that isn't my biggest gripe
[05:50] <ether_c> it doesn't work with my school's wireless network
[05:50] <h3sp4wn> chicobo329: yeah
[05:50] <chicobo329> gotcha
[05:50] <h3sp4wn> why is that ? wrong channel number ?
[05:50] <ether_c> my school's routers just .. will not give me an ip
[05:51] <ether_c> even though, it works on other versions of linux
[05:51] <ether_c> and windows
[05:51] <h3sp4wn> tried - raw wpa_supplicant ?
[05:51] <ether_c> it's not encrypted
[05:52] <h3sp4wn> Its scanner seems to work tons better than network manager
[05:52] <ether_c> hmm
[05:52] <ether_c> you mean ipwraw?
[05:52] <tanner> h3sp4wn: what card
[05:54] <h3sp4wn> tanner: both the 4965 intel and - atheros 5215
[05:54] <fk7_se> ok so what is 8.04 all about, whats the big improvement?
[05:54] <h3sp4wn> I am thinking about just getting rid of it and setting a roam with wpa_supplicant (I only probably ever used about 5 networks)
[05:54] <tanner> h3sp4wn: are you able to associate?
[05:55] <h3sp4wn> tanner: Its working fine now - its just randomly messes up often
[05:55] <tanner> interesting
[05:55] <h3sp4wn> But no matter what happened with that
[05:55] <ether_c> $ modprobe ipw3945  ... Module ipw3945 not found
[05:55] <ether_c> goddamnit
[05:56] <h3sp4wn> I can always - wpa_supplicant -c myconf.conf -D wext -iwlan0 -B (etc)
[05:56] <tanner> ether_c: iwl3945
[05:56] <ether_c> I know
[05:56] <ether_c> but iwl3945 doesn't work on my school network
[05:56] <ether_c> don't ask me why
[05:56] <ether_c> but ipw3945 did
[05:56] <ether_c> iwl3945 does not
[05:56] <tanner> ipw i believe is going to be replaced
[05:56] <h3sp4wn> ether_c: Check if its in the wireless-compat package
[05:56] <h3sp4wn> http://linuxwireless.org/download/compat-wireless-2.6/compat-wireless-2.6.tar.bz2
[05:57] <ether_c> cool
[05:57] <secret901> Ubuntu does not recognize my audio card after I upgrade to Hardy
[05:57] <tanner> http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers
[05:57] <tanner> iwlwifi has replace the ipw series of drivers
[05:57] <secret901> anyone know how to make Ubuntu recognize my audio card again?
[05:58] <tanner> secret901: what is your card, and try alsamixer in console
[05:58] <h3sp4wn> secret901: Maybe try - sudo apt-get install module-assistant alsa-source && sudo m-a a-i alsa
[05:59] <secret901> tanner: alsamixer failed when it tried to call function snd_ctl_open
[05:59] <tanner> what sound card do you have
[06:00] <h3sp4wn> I think if its not working straight away then simplest to just try the later alsa-driver before spending ages debugging
[06:00] <secret901> tanner: I have an intel 82801G card on a Dell Inspiron E1505N laptop
[06:00] <tanner> secret901: is that a recent laptop
[06:01] <secret901> tanner: yes, it comes with 6.10 installed
[06:01] <secret901> tanner: I just upgraded to 8.04 from 7.10
[06:01] <secret901> tanner: actually, it came with 7.04
[06:01] <tanner> secret901: what is the result of modprobe --list | grep snd-hda-intel  and also the command lsmod | grep snd
[06:01] <h3sp4wn> Its snd-hda-intel
[06:02] <secret901> h3sp4wn: it's telling me to install all sort of stuff
[06:02] <secret901> h3sp4wn: shouldn't it come automatically when I upgrade to Hardy?
[06:02] <h3sp4wn> secret901: No - that will just install what you need to upgrade your drivers to alsa 1.0.16
[06:03] <h3sp4wn> (hardy's kernel has 1.0.15)
[06:03] <secret901> tanner: /lib/modules/2.6.24-12-generic/updates/snd-hda-intel.ko
[06:03] <secret901> tanner: http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Clients/Products/Inspiron_1505n/lsmod
[06:04] <tanner> hm
[06:04] <secret901> h3sp4wn: it was working fine in 7.10
[06:04] <secret901> h3sp4wn: doesn't 8.04 come with some new sound server or something?
[06:04] <tanner> pulseaudio
[06:05] <h3sp4wn> secret901: That comes after basic alsa is working
[06:06] <secret901> h3sp4wn: does this mean that alsa is not even working on my laptop?
[06:06] <h3sp4wn> secret901: Currently  not
[06:06] <secret901> when I try to run Volume control, I get: No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found.
[06:06] <h3sp4wn> Alsa break and fix stuff all the time
[06:07] <h3sp4wn> Did you install the new alsa ?
[06:07] <secret901> it's still installing
[06:07] <secret901> h3sp4wn: building alsa-source, step 1
[06:07] <h3sp4wn> Just wait until thats finished and reboot
[06:08] <secret901> h3sp4wn: after it installs, it should work?
[06:09] <h3sp4wn> secret901: May or may not a lot of work has been done on hda-intel
[06:09] <h3sp4wn> 05:56 < ether_c> iwl3945 does not
[06:09] <h3sp4wn> 05:56 < tanner> ipw i believe is going to be replaced
[06:09] <h3sp4wn> 05:56 < h3sp4wn> ether_c: Check if its in the wireless-compat package
[06:09] <h3sp4wn> sorry
[06:09] <tanner> O.o
[06:10] <h3sp4wn> Junk HP keyboards
[06:10]  * tanner loves his thinkpad keyboard
[06:10] <alvarezp> I'm having a problem with Hardy Heron: TrueType fonts are not getting exported to the X server.
[06:10] <h3sp4wn> Me 2 but the thinkpad is upstairs
[06:11] <secret901> h3sp4wn: it now says that I should stop all applications using sound devices and reload all ALSA sound modules
[06:11] <secret901> h3sp4wn: do I need to reboot?
[06:12] <h3sp4wn> secret901: Yeah I would recommend it
[06:12] <alvarezp> How can I make the X server publish the fonts as X fonts? (For instance, I want Bitstream Vera to be exported to xlsfonts)
[06:13] <h3sp4wn> Get type1 versions of them
[06:13] <loa> h3sp4wn, i replace spin with default cursor)
[06:13]  * loa very happy/
[06:13] <h3sp4wn> loa: How ?
[06:13] <h3sp4wn> alvarezp: maybe try - xfstt
[06:13] <ether_c> test
[06:13] <ether_c> ok good
[06:14] <ether_c> I'm going to try using wicd rather than network-manager next time..
[06:14] <h3sp4wn> alvarezp: But be certain you really do need to do it
[06:14] <loa> h3sp4wn, for example get http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Obsidian+Cursors?content=73135
[06:15] <loa> h3sp4wn, unpack it! There is dir Source and file Wait.conf in it.
[06:15] <alvarezp> h3sp4wn: I'm not sure. It seems to be some kind of Ubuntu bug, because my Debian Sid doesn't have xfstt installed, but fonts are listed correctly in xlsfonts.
[06:15] <jimiridge> whatever happened to the ubuntu google partner page?
[06:15] <loa> Change it with your cursor) Run ./build.sh
[06:15] <loa> And setup new theme :D
[06:16] <jimiridge> i really got off on seeing that after an update
[06:16] <loa> annoing blinking busy cursor dissapeared :)
[06:17] <h3sp4wn> alvarezp: Could just be a choice on the part of one or the other
[06:19] <h3sp4wn> alvarezp: Take a look at this script - http://www.kanotix.com/files/fix-fonts.sh
[06:20] <loa> h3sp4wn, it is perfect)
[06:20] <loa> yeh/
[06:21] <alvarezp> h3sp4wn: Looks like the only thing this script is missing are the FontPaths, right?
[06:21] <h3sp4wn> I should just disable my mouse and use wm--ii for a bit
[06:22] <h3sp4wn> alvarezp: I would just edit - FONT_DIR
[06:22] <alvarezp> h3sp4wn: no, I mean, to update the X server font path with xset +fp.
[06:23] <alvarezp> At least, Gutsy includes some FontPath directive in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, including some weird "defoma" directory.
[06:23] <h3sp4wn> You can put that stuff back if you need to
[06:24] <alvarezp> I'll try the script now.
[06:24] <h3sp4wn> Looking at that script has been enough for me to sort out any font issues I ever had
[06:25] <secret901> h3sp4wn: I rebooted the computer
[06:25] <h3sp4wn> secret901: Still not working ?
[06:25] <secret901> h3sp4wn: the sound now works but horrifically
[06:25] <secret901> h3sp4wn: there is a ton of static
[06:25] <h3sp4wn> secret901: Yep same as happened to mine
[06:25] <h3sp4wn> Then I switched to OSS4 but it does have negative points
[06:25] <secret901> h3sp4wn: how do I do that
[06:26] <secret901> h3sp4wn: so is it now using pulsesomething?
[06:26] <h3sp4wn> secret901: http://www.opensound.com/download.cgi
[06:26] <h3sp4wn> secret901: Theoretically
[06:27] <secret901> h3sp4wn: what are the drawbacks?
[06:28] <h3sp4wn> secret901: Its not as well integrated with ubuntu
[06:28] <h3sp4wn> But it sounds tons better than alsa
[06:28] <secret901> h3sp4wn: is it easily removable?
[06:28] <h3sp4wn> secret901: yep - just dpkg -P
[06:29] <h3sp4wn> then alsa is reenabled etc
[06:30] <secret901> the LED for my wireless used to blink when it's working; when I upgrade to Hardy, it's always off
[06:30] <ether_c> yeah, me too
[06:30] <h3sp4wn> Intel wireless ?
[06:30] <ether_c> secret901: I think that's another problem with iwlwifi
[06:30] <secret901> h3sp4wn: yes
[06:30] <h3sp4wn> (mine is just always on)
[06:30] <ether_c> if I were a better coder, and had some time, I'd try and fix it..
[06:31] <ether_c> mine is always off.. even right now
[06:31] <secret901> ether_c: but it was working in 7.10...
[06:31] <secret901> ether_c: why fix something that wasn't broken
[06:31] <ether_c> yeah, but 7.10 used ipw wifi
[06:31] <ether_c> this uses iwl
[06:31] <ether_c> and iwl blows donkeys
[06:31] <ether_c> (for me anyways)
[06:31] <h3sp4wn> secret901: But did you use a Dell provided 7.10 ?
[06:31] <secret901> ether_c: why is it using iwl?
[06:31] <ether_c> because iwl is supposedly an "upgrade"
[06:31] <ether_c> don't ask me why
[06:32] <ether_c> it's been nothing but trouble for me..
[06:32] <secret901> h3sp4wn: Dell provided 7.04, I upgraded to 7.10 manually
[06:32] <h3sp4wn> secret901: Ok
[06:32] <h3sp4wn> ether_c: It doesn't use the daemon anymore which is a good thing
[06:32] <secret901> Now I never know if my wifi is working or not...
[06:32] <ether_c> yeah, and it doesn't work with my school's wireless routers
[06:33] <ether_c> nor does it work with aircrack
[06:33] <DanaG> iwl sucks to me, too.
[06:33] <secret901> h3sp4wn: do I need to reboot after installing oss4?
[06:33] <DanaG> Oh, and that OSS4?  Can't use it -- PulseAudio doesn't get along with it, and it hard-locks when I insert my cardbus Audigy2.
[06:34] <secret901> DanaG: I'd be willing to try anything to get rid of this horrible static
[06:34] <DanaG> Static?  What card?
[06:34] <DanaG> On my card, I get static if the "PCM" capture slider is not all the way down.
[06:34] <h3sp4wn> secret901: ossinfo -v
[06:34] <h3sp4wn> (pastebin that)
[06:35] <secret901> DanaG: Intel; alsamixer didn't work when I upgrade to Hardy
[06:35] <secret901> DanaG: then I installed a newer version of alsa, and I get horrible statics
[06:35] <firecrotch> Can someone tell me if perl and libc6 are installed in a default Kubuntu hardy install?
[06:35] <h3sp4wn> secret901: You shouldn't need to reboot
[06:35] <secret901> h3sp4wn: No /dev/mixer device available in your system
[06:36] <h3sp4wn> secret901: sudo /usr/lib/oss/scripts/showprocs.sh
[06:36] <h3sp4wn> then just kill those processes
[06:36] <h3sp4wn> sudo kill x y z
[06:37] <h3sp4wn> - then you can do sudo soundon
[06:37] <secret901> h3sp4wn: kill what?
[06:37] <h3sp4wn> secret901: If its easier you can reboot
[06:38] <secret901> h3sp4wn: sudo /usr/lib/oss/scripts/showprocs.sh gives me a bunch of error: cannot stat xyz
[06:38] <secret901> h3sp4wn: no such file or directoryh
[06:38] <secret901> h3sp4wn: and now sound stopped working
[06:38] <h3sp4wn> secret901: sudo soundon
[06:39] <secret901> h3sp4wn: error: module blah blah is in use
[06:39] <h3sp4wn> secret901: Just reboot it will be simpler
[06:39] <secret901> h3sp4wn: I'll just reboot again
[06:40] <h3sp4wn> ether_c: You didn't look very far for those packet injection patches
[06:41] <ether_c> huh
[06:41] <ether_c> oh, that's because getting aircrack working isn't my first priority
[06:41] <ether_c> h3sp4wn:
[06:41] <ether_c> I'd be satisfied if I can just get it to connect to my school's routers
[06:41] <h3sp4wn> well the first hit on google for iwlwifi packet injection has patches
[06:41] <ether_c> also, the whole wmaster, wlan0 thing is a little annoying too
[06:41] <DanaG> iwl3945 + NetworkManager == a pain in the <__>.
[06:42] <h3sp4wn> Anything + NetworkManager == same
[06:42] <DanaG> It fails miserably at roaming.
[06:42] <ether_c> because when I run dhclient, it complains about the hardware type not being recognized
[06:42] <ether_c> I ditched network manager in favour of Wicd
[06:42] <h3sp4wn> You run dhclient wlan0 right ?
[06:42] <ether_c> wicd is awesome
[06:42] <ether_c> h3sp4wn: yeah
[06:42] <DanaG> Does it have a tray icon?
[06:42] <ether_c> I never get any offers
[06:43] <ether_c> wicd has an icon if you want one, yes
[06:43] <h3sp4wn> are you associated first ?
[06:43] <ether_c> but it will run without one too
[06:43] <DanaG> Another thing that sucks about iwl3945: sometimes even 'iwlist scan' will stop returning anything.
[06:44] <ether_c> yeah, iwlist scan doesn't return anything
[06:44] <DanaG> At that point, if I try to modprobe -r iwl3945, modprobe will hang, eat CPU, and become utterly unkillable.
[06:44] <h3sp4wn> Same with 4965 sometimes
[06:44] <ether_c> but if I run "sudo iwlist scan" it works every time
[06:44] <DanaG> And by "utterly", I mean, I've tried all 15 possible signals.
[06:44] <h3sp4wn> but it always works with wpa_supplicant raw
[06:44] <h3sp4wn> I guess i can live with having to remember when I switch to ethernet from wireless
[06:44] <DanaG> Oh hell, I might almost be better with Broadcom, the way things have seemed to work with iwl3945.
[06:45] <secret901> booting up is noticeably slower in Hardy
[06:45] <ether_c> I'll restate this for the record, iwlwifi blows donkeys
[06:45] <ether_c> I'm considering reinstalling 7.10
[06:45] <secret901> h3sp4wn: now sound stopped working; I'm back to square one
[06:46] <secret901> ether_c: is it possible?
[06:46] <h3sp4wn> secret901: run sudo ossdetect -v
[06:46] <ether_c> not without a full reinstall
[06:46] <ether_c> not easily, at least
[06:46] <secret901> h3sp4wn: Detected Intel High Definition Audio (ICH7)
[06:46] <secret901> Detected Generic USB audio device (BETA)
[06:46] <secret901> Detected OSS Transparent Virtual Mixing Architecture
[06:47] <secret901> h3sp4wn: do I run startsound or something?
[06:47] <h3sp4wn> secret901: What media player do yo use ?
[06:47] <secret901> I usually use vlc
[06:47] <h3sp4wn> pkill pulseaudio
[06:47] <h3sp4wn> And then select the oss output for vlc
[06:48] <h3sp4wn> also try - osstest (should get nice clear sound)
[06:48] <secret901> h3sp4wn: I hear loud sound, how do I turn it down?
[06:48] <secret901> h3sp4wn: my built-in volume control doesn't work
[06:48] <h3sp4wn> secret901: ossxmix
[06:49] <secret901> h3sp4wn: what setting do I change?
[06:50] <secret901> h3sp4wn: so oss can't integrate with volume control?
[06:51] <h3sp4wn> secret901: It can
[06:51] <h3sp4wn> But it requires messing about
[06:51] <secret901> h3sp4wn: how do I remove oss?
[06:51] <h3sp4wn> dpkg -P oss-linux
[06:52] <h3sp4wn> *sudo dpkg -P oss-linux
[06:53] <secret901> h3sp4wn: and this would go back to the horrible static after I do a reboot?
[06:53] <h3sp4wn> secret901: Yep
[06:53] <secret901> h3sp4wn: thanks
[07:00] <alvarezp> h3sp4wn: Something about the fonts worked. I tried mkfontdir, mkfontscale, ttmkfdir, fc-cache -r, fc-cache -f, the fix-fonts.sh script, xset +fp /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-bitstream-vera/
[07:01] <alvarezp> I would like to know how to reset Ubuntu to the default, so I can pinpoint the exact procedure so I can get it to the bug report.
[07:02] <googlah> Perhaps a reformat would be the right way?
[07:02] <h3sp4wn> alvarezp: Try the live-cd ?
[07:02] <googlah> or just reinstall
[07:02] <alvarezp> googlah: reinstall on each trial-and-error iteration?
[07:03] <alvarezp> The live-cd would be a good idea. I would have to download it, though. -- Do you know what package to dpkg-reconfigure, or the like?
[07:07] <googlah> Ahh, my Hardy is looking so good and working flawlessy, just want it to be less buggy. :( Bugs a little here and there
[07:09] <secret901> how do I use alsamixer to lower the PCM level?
[07:10] <ether_c> there should be a column in alsamixer called "PCM"
[07:10] <afd_> What can I do if some stupid program deleted my hostname from /etc/hosts and I can't run sudo (it timeouts saying it can't find my host)
[07:10] <secret901> ether_c: nope, I can see Master, PC Speak, and BaseFRQ
[07:11] <orvokki> googlah: Eh, if it has bugs, it doesn't work flawlessly...
[07:11] <afd_> this was caused by kde network manager's config applet
[07:11] <ether_c> so, you're just missing your /etc/hosts file?
[07:12] <afd_> ether_c: no, it just can't resolve tibi-laptop, which is the name of my localhost
[07:12] <ether_c> secret901: that's weird, I can see PCM, but no master on mine
[07:12] <orvokki> Could always start the system in single-user mode and add the host to /etc/hosts.
[07:12] <secret901> ether_c: how many columns do you see?
[07:12] <afd_> orvokki: add "single" to the boot entry?
[07:12] <ether_c> like.. 7
[07:13] <googlah> orvokki: true true.. but mostly flawlessy. :)
[07:13] <ether_c> afd_: what's in your /etc/hosts then?
[07:13] <orvokki> afd_: I think so, yes.
[07:13] <secret901> ether_c: you're not having static problems with the sound, are you?
[07:13] <ether_c> secret901: a little
[07:13] <ether_c> only when cpu-heavy work is going on
[07:13] <ether_c> I get occasional blips
[07:14] <ether_c> personally, gutsy was waaay better on this hp laptop
[07:14] <ether_c> than hardy is
[07:14] <secret901> ether_c: not as bad as my problem then; the static is drowning out the actual sound
[07:15] <ether_c> afd_: try "ping tibi-laptop"
[07:15] <afd_> ether_c: there's localhost aliased to <IP_ADDRESS>, but tibi-laptop, which is the name the installer asked me (way back in edgy) is not there anymore
[07:15] <afd_> kde's setting manager > network settings deleted
[07:15] <ether_c> ok
[07:15] <afd_> I never can trust that software
[07:15] <ether_c> just add this line
[07:15] <afd_> it always makes problem
[07:16] <afd_> I shouldn't have used it now either ...
[07:16] <secret901> h3sp4wn: are you still using oss4?
[07:16] <ether_c> <IP_ADDRESS>       tibi-laptop
[07:16] <h3sp4wn> secret901: Yep
[07:16] <afd_> but I thought, hey, it's a new OS version, maybe I should try it
[07:16] <afd_> yeah, I know how the hosts work
[07:16] <secret901> h3sp4wn: is it integrated with Volume control?
[07:16] <afd_> I'm just angry that it fails on such a simple task
[07:17] <ether_c> yeah, but at least that's easily fixable
[07:17] <afd_> I hate restarting :)
[07:17] <ether_c> unlike driver problems
[07:17] <secret901> It takes a really long time to reboot in 8.4
[07:17] <afd_> hardy is kind of buggy with the network
[07:18] <afd_> it can't find access points on my laptop if the AP was rebooted
[07:18] <secret901> I wish there was a rollback option
[07:18] <h3sp4wn> secret901: You need a newer - libgstossaudio.so
[07:18] <afd_> if it doesn't connect to an AP when started, I can't connect to any other AP
[07:19] <h3sp4wn> secret901: I never bothered - are you on 32bit or 64bit ?
[07:19] <secret901> h3sp4wn: 32
[07:19] <afd_> when I reboot the CPU goes to max and stays like that for 10  minutes (of course, I've shut it down manually then)
[07:20] <afd_> so far, I haven't had any benefits
[07:20] <afd_> oh, and now that i've rebooted with single, there's a "recovery menu" that appeared
[07:20] <afd_> unfortunately I can't select anything, when I hit a key it's all wrong!
[07:21] <afd_> there's gibberish that appears on the screen
[07:26] <HorizonXP> pestilence?
[07:27] <HorizonXP> how do I get bind9 to maintain its DNS records?
[07:27] <HorizonXP> right now, every time I restart, it seems to lose them
[08:12] <ethana2> oh wow
[08:12] <ethana2> jenda, you threw me there
[08:12] <ethana2> heh
[08:13] <ethana2> ...I saw this, switched tabs to ##dvorak and ... wait a minute.....
[08:13] <ethana2> ^_^
[08:14] <jenda> ethana2: hmm? :)
[08:14] <ethana2> jenda: i'm not used to seeing the same last line of text in two channels
[08:14] <jenda> aha :)
[08:14] <ethana2> jenda: it usually means I didn't /actually/ switch tabs
[08:15] <ethana2> Thomas van der Burgt found my bug on colemak..
[08:16] <ethana2> looks like he'll be able to fix it...  will it make it into Hardy?
[08:16] <ethana2> ...all minor bugfixes are accepted until release, right?
[08:18] <ethana2> Is anyone else here picky enough about keyboards to run into Bug 188308?
[08:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188308 in ubuntu "colemak is broken" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188308
[08:29] <kalatian_> is colemak included in hardy by default?
[08:34] <jimiridge> install it and find out
[08:35] <jimiridge> i code in zero's and ones i type with a qwerty and do most things in bash
[08:40] <fotoflo> hmm how do i get java installed on my ubuntu box?
[08:40] <fotoflo> do i need to change my repos?
[08:40] <kalatian_> there should be a sun-java package or something
[08:41] <asdrubal> how do I change the page size from 4kb to 2MB in make menuconfig?
[08:41] <asdrubal> I can't find the option
[08:41] <jimiridge> i miean comon there are only a handfull of different keyboard layouts and "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"  lets you set prolly any layout in use
[08:42] <jimiridge> jre
[08:42] <jimiridge> java runtime environment
[08:42] <kalatian_> haha, colemak is included
[08:42] <jimiridge> aptitude search for it
[08:43] <kalatian_> sun-java-[5,6]-jre
[08:43] <kalatian_> or jdk, bin, etc
[08:47] <ghanthar> hi, I have problems with rhythmbox jamendo plugin.... I did a search on it, it looks like this was a bug in gutsy, there was a patch for this but the patch is applied on hardy... still not working.... any clues?
[08:55] <quentusrex> I've just updated to the beta.
[08:55] <quentusrex> How do I get my sound back.
[08:56] <DistroJockey> quentusrex: what did you upgrade from?
[08:56] <quentusrex> 7.10
[08:56] <quentusrex> I think my onboard sound isn't detected.
[08:57] <DistroJockey> quentusrex:  maybe try double-clicking the speaker icon near the clock and changing the device in the file menu
[08:57] <quentusrex> from lspci: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[08:58] <quentusrex> GStreamer devices found...
[08:58] <quentusrex> no devices found.
[08:59] <DistroJockey> quentusrex: what about in System - Preferences - Sound  ?
[08:59] <quentusrex> no devices.
[08:59] <Anosh> I recieve an invalid disk error when I try to run Hardy beta CD
[08:59] <DistroJockey> :(
[09:00] <DistroJockey> sorry quentusrex, no futher ideas atm
[09:00] <DistroJockey> further^
[09:00] <quentusrex> how would I have ubuntu do a hardware scan?
[09:00] <jimiridge> lshw?
[09:01] <jimiridge> ps this isnt windows
[09:01] <Anosh> I recieve an invalid disk error when I try to run Hardy beta CD from windows
[09:01] <quentusrex> jimiridge, I know this isn't windows.
[09:02] <DistroJockey> modprobe maybe?
[09:02] <quentusrex>  *-multimedia UNCLAIMED
[09:02] <quentusrex>              description: Audio device
[09:02] <quentusrex>              product: 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller
[09:02] <quentusrex>              vendor: Intel Corporation
[09:02] <quentusrex>              physical id: 1b
[09:02] <quentusrex>              bus info: pci@0000:00:1b.0
[09:02] <quentusrex>              version: 01
[09:02] <quentusrex>              width: 64 bits
[09:02] <quentusrex>              clock: 33MHz
[09:02] <quentusrex>              capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
[09:02] <quentusrex>              configuration: latency=0
[09:02] <quentusrex> oops,,
[09:02] <quentusrex> was suppose to be on one line.
[09:03] <jimiridge> dont do that
[09:03] <DistroJockey> I was thinking it may have been related to the switch from ALSA to PulseAudio
[09:04] <quentusrex> I think it would be related to that.
[09:04] <DistroJockey> as I doubt that hardware that worked in 7.10 would not be supported in *.04
[09:04] <jimiridge> missing the driver/module
[09:04] <DistroJockey> 8.04^
[09:06] <jimiridge> lsmod |grep snd
[09:06] <jimiridge> anything?
[09:06] <quentusrex> nothing
[09:06] <jimiridge> yup no kernel sound modules
[09:06] <jimiridge> alsa
[09:07] <h3sp4wn> Try building alsa-source with module-assistant
[09:07] <jimiridge> hey thats the same card i have i think
[09:07] <jimiridge> module snd-hda-intel
[09:07] <catweazle> !alsa-help | quentusrex
[09:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alsa-help - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:07] <quentusrex> :)
[09:08] <jimiridge> module-assistant i agree
[09:08] <quentusrex> so, what command do I need to run?
[09:08] <Anosh>  I recieve an invalid disk error when I try to run Hardy beta CD from windows, when I boot from the cd I see the splash screen but i can not boot into live cd or installation or even check the media for defects
[09:08] <catweazle> "sudo aptitude install module-assistant" followed by "sudo module-assistant auto-install alsa-source" should do it.
[09:08] <jimiridge> aptitude install module-assistant
[09:08] <Adys> Any idea what the latest libpulse update does?
[09:08] <DistroJockey> Anosh: did the md5sum of the iso check out?
[09:09] <Anosh> DistroJockey I dont know how to do that in windows
[09:09] <h3sp4wn> you would - auto-install alsa
[09:09] <DistroJockey> Anosh: google md5sum.exe and pick a nice one
[09:09] <h3sp4wn> or aptitude install alsa-source
[09:09] <jimiridge> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/pulseaudio/+changelog
[09:10] <Adys> SOrry for that, crashed - Any idea what the latest libpulse update does?
[09:10] <h3sp4wn> aptitude changelog
[09:11] <jimiridge> h3sp4wn, thats cool
[09:12] <jimiridge> i've been doing everything the hard way
[09:12] <Adys> jimiridge:  cheers :)
[09:12] <DistroJockey> Anosh: also a good idea to burn at a fairly slow speed, like 4x
[09:12] <Adys> and nah aptitude changelogs are not avail atm
[09:12] <Hiraj> DistroJockey i use infrarecorder which already burns it at 3x
[09:13] <jimiridge> aptitude changelog libpulse0
[09:13] <DistroJockey> Hiraj: never heard of that one, but most can choose a speed
[09:14] <jimiridge> cdrdao ftw ;)
[09:18] <jimiridge> bored
[09:24] <fotoflo> E: Couldn't find package sun-java6-jre
[09:25] <bazhang> try installing ubuntu-restricted-extras
[09:27] <fotoflo> E: Couldn't find package sun-java6-jre  -- do i have to alter my apt sources?
[09:27] <bazhang> did you install the restricted-extras? fotoflo
[09:29] <h3sp4wn> there is apt-listchanges as well
[09:31] <DistroJockey> When dealing with Java in Hardy beta, this link may help to get it working with Firefox once you get it installed:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/173966
[09:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173966 in sun-java6 "java plugin not working in firefox 3 on ubuntu 8.04" [Undecided,Fix released]
[09:32] <DistroJockey> did I ask you ubotu? ;P
[09:32] <DistroJockey> *pats ubotu on the head*
[09:33] <kuil> hi all.. anybody here using hardy with an intel/i810 card?
[09:33] <kuil> i have a dell d820 laptop and I would like to use dualscreen
[09:33] <kuil> but so far not much luck..
[09:34] <kuil> there are 2 drivers that I can choose (according to apt) -intel and -i810
[09:34] <kuil> not sure which one to pick
[09:35] <DistroJockey> well, i810 is more specific than intel
[09:35] <kuil> so probably i810 is the best driver then?
[09:35] <DistroJockey> yep
[09:36] <kuil> but should dual screen work with that driver? I currently have clone view
[09:36] <DistroJockey> intel, would probably add i810 plus lots more
[09:36] <DistroJockey> no idea here sorry
[09:36] <kuil> k.. thx
[09:36] <DistroJockey> np
[09:36] <kuil> any idea where to ask?
[09:37] <DistroJockey> nope, sorry
[09:37] <ethana2> well
[09:37] <kuil> it's always hard what 'works out of the box' means on different forums
[09:37] <ethana2> we have a d830
[09:37] <ethana2> we wanted to do dual /seat/
[09:37] <ethana2> ...we got dual screen working
[09:37] <kuil> ah.. nice!
[09:37] <ethana2> without messing with any drivers...
[09:37] <ethana2> but i don't know the chipset for the d820
[09:37] <ethana2> we have an x1300, I think
[09:38] <kuil> lspci says: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller
[09:38] <ethana2> hmm
[09:38] <ethana2> ...i guess it's different then
[09:38] <kuil> before I had a d800
[09:38] <kuil> (nvidia chipset)
[09:39] <kuil> but there hibernate refused to work
[09:39] <kuil> with native drivers
[09:40] <ethana2> well good luck
[09:40] <ethana2> I'm going to go to sleep now
[09:40] <kuil> does 'hotplug' of an extra screen work for you?
[09:40] <kuil> ok.. sleep well
[09:40] <kuil> thx
[09:40] <ethana2> well first..
[09:40] <ethana2> when i hotplug a screen
[09:40] <ethana2> userful pops up to figure out what I want to do with it
[09:40] <ethana2> ..all my screens are the same specs though
[09:41] <ethana2> mainly I plug in keyboards and mice
[09:41] <ethana2> and i have to assign them a seat
[09:41] <ethana2> by pressing an F* key and clicking
[09:41] <ethana2> ..anyways, see y'all later
[09:41] <kuil> k.. I use my laptop in a dockingstation at work .. and 'normal' at home.. that works fine
[09:41] <KenSentMe> Hi, i' m still struggling to get my wireless network connection running on my office network. After i install linux-restricted-modules networkmanager could use the network interface to connect to my home network, but connecting to the office network wont work, however it did in gutsy (with nm)
[09:41] <kuil> thx
[09:42]  * ethana2 goes to bed
[09:48] <KenSentMe> I used to connect to the network through wpa enterprise, peap, dynamic wep and mschapv2. It seems like the password i enter is put in the private key field, although i enter it in the identity field above
[09:50] <quentusrex> if you hear more people talking about broken sound
[09:50] <quentusrex> please forward them to this link:
[09:50] <quentusrex> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/200338/comments/125
[09:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Fix released]
[09:50] <quentusrex> The freaking kernel modules aren't installed by default...
[09:51] <SWAT> the 3945 (intel wlan) doesn't seem to want to associate. Is this currently being worked on? I'm using the iwl driver by the way.
[09:52] <KenSentMe> SWAT, i got the problem with a wpa enterprise network, but my wep at home worked
[09:53] <quentusrex> sheesh... The freaking kernel modules aren't installed by default...
[09:55] <quentusrex> Who is responsible to make sure that the kernel modules should be installed with the install of the kernel???
[09:55] <Jaymac> quentusrex: heard you the first time :)
[09:55] <quentusrex> I know.... I'm just ranting....
[09:55] <quentusrex> excuse the rant....
[09:57] <Adys> How good is konqueror as a replacement for nautilus under ubuntu (gnome)? Im not fond of KDE apps generally but Im starting to hate nautilus and i hear konqueror is awesome
[09:58] <quentusrex> jaymac, do you know why the kernel modules wouldn't be installed by default?
[09:59] <kuil> Adys: don't know how it works in gnome ... but I really do love konqueror
[09:59] <Adys> Does it handle ftp/sftp well?
[10:00] <kuil> I use fish:// (ssh) a lot
[10:00] <kuil> ftp not so much.. but that should work as well
[10:00] <Adys> yeah i dont use ftp, but just in case
[10:01] <Adys> ah well ill just try it
[10:01] <Adys> how do I go for changing the default file manager?
[10:02] <kuil> hmm.. couldn't really tell.. haven't used gnome a lot :(
[10:02] <kuil> sorry
[10:02] <Adys> heh aight :) ill find
[10:03] <SWAT> KenSentMe, check launchpad
[10:04] <KenSentMe> SWAT, checking, but couldnt find a similar bug, got a link?
[10:09] <KRF> why dont you install "libarts1-xine" by default? it's very useful for video previews in konqueror
[10:14] <Adys> kuil:  you were right, konqueror is awesome :)
[10:18] <kuil> Adys: ;)
[10:18] <kuil> some kde applications really suck (kmail).. others work nice..
[10:19] <KRF> kmail sucks?
[10:19] <Adys> I just wish nautilus had decent tab management
[10:19] <kuil> KRF: at least that is my experience
[10:19] <Adys> and tooltips, and good sftp handling, and undo operations
[10:19] <Adys> and better scripting options.
[10:19] <_ruben> kmail sure aint perfect, but sure doesnt suck either
[10:19] <KRF> i quite love kmail. its one of the best apps in kde
[10:19] <kuil> :) good to see different user experiences
[10:19] <KRF> filters are quite easy to set up and stuff
[10:20] <KRF> yes :)
[10:20] <Adys> And why are people still using mail client? Gmail interface, or google apps mail with your own mail :)
[10:20] <kuil> I use it connected to a 'local' port that is forwarded ussing ssh -L
[10:20] <_ruben> kmail and konsole i use on a daily basis .. using remote x and and cygwin x server on winxp :p
[10:20] <kuil> if my network drops.. and I re-enable it.. I need to restart kmail
[10:21] <kuil> stuff like... i view a message.. and press forward.. it downloads that message again.. (although I am viewing it already)
[10:21] <Adys> _ruben: how is konsole better than gnome-terminal? people say its better, i see no difference :/
[10:22] <kuil> _ruben: i still use kmail.. since I like the 'kontact' application...
[10:22] <kuil> but I think it can be better.. love to try mailody
[10:22] <_ruben> Adys: i wouldnt know .. never really used gnome
[10:22] <Adys> Bah hehe
[10:23] <_ruben> kuil: im using kontact as well in fact .. with only kmail and korganizer plugins tho
[10:23] <stefan> hi. is there anyone who has problems with wireless?
[10:23] <kuil> stefan: not anymore..
[10:23] <kuil> (lucky me :) )
[10:23] <_ruben> Adys: still hoping for the reattach functionality to come back .. you can detach a tab into a single window .. but cant go back
[10:23]  * kuil knocks on wood
[10:24] <Adys> oh
[10:24] <asdrubal> if I run 64bit ubuntu what problems will I have?
[10:24] <stefan> kuil: well i do have. ubuntu says i haven't got a wirelesscard. but that's not the truth, because on xp i had a wirelesscard.
[10:24] <asdrubal> will I be able to run wine games?
[10:25] <asdrubal> with say... nvidia drivers
[10:25] <kuil> stefan: lspci .. what does that tell  you?
[10:25] <void^> asdrubal: yes.
[10:25] <kuil> asdrubal: depends on the game ofcourse
[10:25] <asdrubal> void^, will I have to do LDPRELOAD?
[10:25] <Adys> asdrubal:  i run wine on amd64 without any problems
[10:25] <stefan> kuil: http://pastebin.com/m6eb7bd43
[10:25] <asdrubal> Adys, will any opengl games work on 65bit?
[10:25] <asdrubal> 64
[10:25] <PodMan99a> hey all with heron is there a apt-get i can run to show php colouring in vim
[10:25] <Adys> sure
[10:26] <kuil> stefan: can you do lsmod?
[10:26] <kuil> lsmod | grep iwl
[10:26] <asdrubal> Adys, so what problems might I run into if I run 64bit ubuntu
[10:26] <void^> asdrubal: i've just played il2 (ww2 flightsim) in opengl mode on my 64bit hardy, works perfectly.
[10:26] <asdrubal> void^, you have nvidia card?
[10:26] <Adys> asdrubal: Not wine ones most likely
[10:26] <void^> yes.
[10:26] <asdrubal> so wine opengl games wont work
[10:26] <asdrubal> ?
[10:27] <kuil> stefan: you have the same card as I have
[10:27] <void^> did i just say "works perfectly"?
[10:27] <KenSentMe> stefan, are you running a clean install or an upgrade from gutsy. For the latter: install the linux-restricted-modules packages
[10:27] <stefan> kuil:
[10:27] <stefan> stefan@LGS1:~$ lsmod | grep iwl
[10:27] <stefan> iwl3945               100596  0
[10:27] <stefan> iwlwifi_mac80211      251876  1 iwl3945
[10:27] <stefan> cfg80211               17680  1 iwlwifi_mac80211
[10:27] <asdrubal> ok
[10:27] <asdrubal> heh
[10:27] <stefan> i installed the beta version of 8.04
[10:27] <kuil> that looks ok
[10:27] <kuil> stefan: and iwconfig?
[10:27] <kuil> i run the beta (with daily updates) as well
[10:28] <void^> asdrubal: in general opengl works way better than d3d in wine.
[10:28] <stefan> stefan@LGS1:~$ iwconfig
[10:28] <stefan> lo        no wireless extensions.
[10:28] <stefan> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[10:28] <stefan> strange i think.
[10:28] <salted-light> hi averyone. i'm new to linux, just a few days since i've used first time...
[10:28] <salted-light> jus one thing: the iso image from torrent seems to be broken, but the check was ok...
[10:29] <kuil> stefan: dmesg | grep 3945
[10:29] <salted-light>  wen checked the cd there was just one eror in 1 file... did work to install, just using it, but some files were "diferent" and i have used the "skip" option...
[10:29] <salted-light> there seems to be more errors but i think i'l reinstall it...
[10:29] <stefan> wait i have to paste it
[10:30] <stefan> http://pastebin.com/m60f79897
[10:31] <salted-light> someone should check this... beside this, i hope that i am wrong and not the cd image :))
[10:31] <salted-light> cheers averyone... have fun :)
[10:34] <kuil> stefan: there is a switch.. that made it disabled..
[10:35] <kuil> enabeling it on a life system hasn't worked for me
[10:35] <kuil> I had to enable it .. and then reboot (maybe reload drivers should work as well)
[10:35] <kuil> but the line "adio Frequency Kill Switch is On:" shouldn't be there
[10:36] <kuil> you can try rmmod iwl3945 && modprobe iwl3945
[10:36] <stefan> well there is no button on my case for it
[10:36] <kuil> after you enabled it
[10:36] <stefan> i had to press fn+f6
[10:36] <kuil> k..
[10:36] <kuil> and if you enable it and then reload the module?
[10:36] <kuil> (rmmod and modprobe)
[10:36] <kuil> does that work for you?
[10:37] <kuil> usually you can choose to disable that key and always have it on in your bios settings
[10:37] <stefan> rmmod iwl3945
[10:37] <stefan> doest not exist
[10:38] <stefan> in /proc/modules
[10:38] <kuil> 11:27 < stefan> iwl3945               100596  0
[10:38] <kuil> it is listed there
[10:38] <kuil> so you should be able to do (as root/sudo) rmmod
[10:38] <KRF> stefan, computer modelüß
[10:38] <KRF> model?
[10:39] <dredhammer> gstreamer dvd playback seems once again to be broken with the latest gstreamer upgrade
[10:39] <stefan> oh i writed wil:S:D
[10:39] <stefan> lgs1
[10:39] <kuil> :)
[10:40] <stefan> stefan@LGS1:~$ sudo rmmod iwl3945
[10:40] <stefan> [sudo] password for stefan:
[10:40] <stefan> stefan@LGS1:~$
[10:40] <stefan> did that change something?
[10:40] <kuil> lsmod | grep 3495
[10:40] <kuil> now the module should be unloaded
[10:41] <kuil> after that please to modprobe iwl3945
[10:41] <kuil> and then dmesg | grep 3945
[10:41] <kuil> to check if that line is still there
[10:41] <stefan> if i enter lsmod | grep 3945 nothing happens. is that good?
[10:41] <kuil> probably all modules are removed
[10:42] <kuil> that would be ok
[10:42] <stefan> stefan@LGS1:~$ modprobe iwl3945
[10:42] <stefan> FATAL: Error inserting iwl3945 (/lib/modules/2.6.24-12-generic/ubuntu/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlwifi/compatible/iwl3945.ko): Operation not permitted
[10:42] <kuil> sudo
[10:42] <kuil> sorry
[10:43] <stefan> stefan@LGS1:~$ sudo modprobe iwl3945
[10:43] <stefan> stefan@LGS1:~$
[10:43] <stefan> nothing happens.
[10:43] <kuil> could you try the lsmod again?
[10:44] <stefan> stefan@LGS1:~$ sudo lsmod | grep 3945
[10:44] <stefan> iwl3945               100596  0
[10:44] <stefan> iwlwifi_mac80211      251876  1 iwl3945
[10:44] <Zvezdichko> hmmm
[10:45] <Zvezdichko> soon my upgrade is going to be completed. I wonder whether there will be problems, because I installed KDE 4 for Gutsy
[10:45] <kuil> stefan: and dmesg?
[10:45] <kuil> or iwconfig
[10:46] <kuil> anybody here knows why tab completion is removed in hardy over 'ssh' (scp)
[10:46] <kuil> that used to work (after installing a authorized key)
[10:47] <orvokki> Check that you have a shell that supports it.
[10:48] <stefan> http://pastebin.com/mdacaba8
[10:49] <stefan> iwconfig: still no wireless extensions
[10:52] <kuil> orvokki: how?
[10:52] <orvokki> Well, which shell are you using? echo $SHELL
[10:53] <kuil> stefan: [ 2749.817881] iwl3945: Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On:
[10:53] <kuil> [ 2749.817886] Kill switch must be turned off for wireless networking to work.
[10:53] <kuil> somehow it is still on.. don't know how to disable that on your pc .. sorry..
[10:53] <kuil> you don't have a dell d820?
[10:54] <kuil> orvokki: /bin/bash
[10:54] <kuil> which I guess I was using on fiesty as well
[10:54] <Ng> kuil: install bash-completion and the ssh completion will return
[10:55] <PodMan99a> hey all ... my dell usb keyboard on heron is not recognising correct commands from keyboard on the numpad
[10:55] <kuil> Ng: thx!
[10:55] <kuil> that worked
[10:57] <KRF> stefan, add "noapic" to your boot kernel parameters
[10:57] <KRF> maybe thatll help
[10:58] <stefan> okey
[10:59] <stefan> krf: how to?
[10:59] <stefan> sudo apt-get install noapic?
[10:59] <KRF> stefan, no. you know how to edit files with nano?
[11:00] <stefan> :S
[11:00] <stefan> not really...
[11:01] <tehknow> can someone help me with a dual monitor setup on hardy?
[11:02] <tehknow> I had it working in 7.10, but when I upgraded I changed the video driver by mistake
[11:02] <KRF> stefan, run `sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst`
[11:02] <KRF> then add "noapic" to the line that starts with "# kopt"
[11:02] <tehknow> now whenever I try to change the settings using the the 'screens and resolution' app x crashes and fails
[11:02] <KRF> then run `sudo update-grub`, restart
[11:03] <tehknow> 'screens and graphics' *
[11:03] <kuil> tehknow: problem with dual screen here as well :(
[11:03] <tehknow> it was working, which is the annoying thing
[11:03] <tehknow> I just want it to work again.
[11:03] <kuil> hmm.. not here
[11:03] <tehknow> I used envy to install drivers on gutsy
[11:04] <KRF> i dont have the courage to try out dual head
[11:04] <KRF> :P
[11:04] <tehknow> and it worked, but now it doesn't I can't remember what I changed it from
[11:05] <stefan> # kopt=root=UUID=9f51f4e0-c91f-43b5-87cd-26269db8741b ro : this one?
[11:05] <tehknow> I have an nvidia geforce 6200 and 2 monitors, one vga and one dvi
[11:05] <kuil> intel driver here
[11:06] <tehknow> I am using a restricted driver, or so the hardware drivers pane tells me
[11:07] <tehknow> does anyone have any ideas?
[11:07] <KRF> stefan, yes
[11:09] <elbermungsterses> i have a little question. if you upgrade to hardy beta now and the stable release comes out, all you have to do to upgrade is open update manager, click on "reload" and the "new distro available" will appear?
[11:09] <tehknow> elbermungsterses, yes, its a seamless upgrade
[11:09] <elbermungsterses> or is it more complicated?
[11:09] <DistroJockey> :)
[11:09] <elbermungsterses> sweet!
[11:09] <elbermungsterses> thanks.
[11:10] <stefan> like this:
[11:10] <stefan> # kopt=root=UUID=9f51f4e0-c91f-43b5-87cd-26269db8741b ro noapic
[11:10] <KRF> stefan, yes. save and run `sudo update-grub` and restart
[11:11] <stefan> ok gotta restart
[11:11] <stefan> 2 minutes
[11:16] <stefan> okey i'm back
[11:16] <stefan> there was again the message "no wireless card found"
[11:16] <bicyclist> Does anyone have a Ricoh Motion Eye Webcam running ?
[11:16] <bicyclist> I got one but it only works fine in cheese. Gives me wierd lines in xawtv
[11:21] <DistroJockey> stefan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/200338/comments/125
[11:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Fix released]
[11:21] <DistroJockey> stefan: maybe that will help
[11:22] <tmh__> yeah, "fix released", geez
[11:22] <stefan> okey. will look at it. gotta go for lunch
[11:22] <DistroJockey> stefan: even thought it says sound, it may relate
[11:24] <Zvezdichko> a new open office released, will it be integrated in hardy?
[11:26] <testi> apt-get says, that I have to run 'dpkg --configure -a' because dpkg was interrupted. I then run that command which doesn't successfully return (update-initramfs can't find a directory /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS> and fails)
[11:27] <testi> and it seems that if it doesn't successfully return dpkg keeps in that state 'interrupted'
[11:39] <DistroJockey> markvandenborre: maybe try:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[11:39] <DistroJockey> markvandenborre: backup xorg.conf first
[11:40] <jimqode> what does -phigh do?
[11:40] <DistroJockey> jimqode: not entirely sure :)
[11:41] <DistroJockey> jimqode: but that's what xorg.conf says to do :)
[11:41] <jimqode> DistroJockey, :) I always used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. it works. weird...
[11:41] <DistroJockey> jimqode: automatic updated if it was edited it says
[11:41] <markvandenborre> DistroJockey: sorry, I should have mentioned that I'm mostly doing this
[11:41] <markvandenborre> to shake out bugs
[11:41] <markvandenborre> from the upgrade process
[11:42] <markvandenborre> not for my own benefit really
[11:42] <DistroJockey> markvandenborre: ahh, I never upgrade :)
[11:42] <DistroJockey> nods
[11:42] <markvandenborre> I apt-get dist-upgraded
[11:43] <markvandenborre> had a customised xorg.xonf before
[11:43] <DistroJockey> I will try that one day :)
[11:43] <markvandenborre> when I used that one, I had working scrolling touchpad
[11:44] <markvandenborre> but my screen would be blank when putting the thing to sleep
[11:44] <markvandenborre> (in hardy, worked fine in gutsy)
[11:44] <J-_> hmm, it seems the volume applet has crashed
[11:44] <markvandenborre> I moved my xorg.conf aside, and the problem was gone
[11:45] <J-_> well, not my applet, but the thing when you adjust volume with extra keys a thing comes up saying what volume you're at
[11:45] <DistroJockey> xorg is quite a bit different in Hardy
[11:46] <markvandenborre> I'm curious on how an end user would have to deal with that
[11:46] <DistroJockey> nods
[11:46] <adinc> does someone know where the kernel sources are installed if i install the ubuntu kernel source package?
[11:46] <DistroJockey> upgrades from gutsy seem to be not going that well in a few areas
[11:46] <jimqode> adinc, /usr/src
[11:47] <adinc> jimqode: and does this include the original .config which is used in the precompiled package?
[11:47] <jimqode> adinc. no you can find the config file in /boot
[11:48] <adinc> jimqode: but this config does not cover all the switches, like those from the ubuntu modules for example
[11:48] <jimqode> adinc, ubuntu modules are a seperate package
[11:49] <stefan> okey i'm back
[11:49] <DistroJockey> wb
[11:49] <stefan> distrojockey:: did you send me this url?
[11:49] <DistroJockey> stefan: maybe
[11:49] <adinc> jimqode: yes, i would like to have the kernel sources and the used config file for the kernel in hardy, where do i get this from?
[11:50] <DistroJockey> stefan: what were we talking about again?
[11:50] <stefan> distrojockey: about my wireless that doesn't work
[11:50] <stefan> and you sent me an url to solve this problem
[11:50] <stefan> wait
[11:50] <stefan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/200338/comments/125
[11:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Fix released]
[11:51] <DistroJockey> stefan: yes, I sent that url
[11:52] <stefan> distrojockey: well there's en error during installing it. can't find this package^
[11:52] <jimqode> adinc, you also need linux-restricted-modules package for a complete ubuntu kernel.
[11:52] <jimqode> adinc, they can't be included in kernel source package because some of them are not even open source.
[11:52] <adinc> jimqode: ahhh, so the linux-kernel source and the restricted modules sources?
[11:53] <DistroJockey> stefan: as I did not post it and havn't really looked into it, maybe the kernel version is different or you don't have the repository enabled?
[11:53] <jimqode> adinc, yes. but if you are just trying to make custom kernel, compile the kernel from the sources with the config file from /boot, then reinstall restricted modules. you don't have to recompile them
[11:54] <adinc> if i download the packaged ubuntu kernel sources, where does it install them? that the iwl3945 driver for example is not switched on in the /boot config file it must have been done somewhere else
[11:54] <adinc> jimqode: the reason why i wanted make my own kernel is because of this module, since this doesn't work with hardy i wanted to test it
[11:55] <stefan> distrojockey:: how can i find this repository?
[11:55] <jimqode> adinc you don't need kernel sources to compile a module, just headers is fine.
[11:56] <DistroJockey> stefan: maybe in System - Administration - Software Sources
[11:56] <adinc> adinc: have you got a wiki page for me somewhere?
[11:56] <jimqode> adinc, http://howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu
[11:56] <DistroJockey> stefan: but not really sure what repo it would be in
[11:57] <jimqode> adinc, this is for kernel compilation. if you are just compiling a module be sure linux-headers is installed then ./configure, make, modprobe -i module_name
[11:57] <adinc> you mean configure in the module source?
[11:59] <[Ramy]> i'm trying to boot hardy image from hard disk i stopped at phillip lougher?
[12:00] <stefan> distrojockey:: do you think a reinstallation could solve the problem?
[12:01] <jimqode> adinc, yes
[12:01] <DistroJockey> stefan: if you have a spare hard drive you can test on, a clean install is worth a try I guess
[12:01] <stefan> okey
[12:02] <DistroJockey> stefan: but I can't say for sure it will help
[12:02] <stefan> thanks for help
[12:02] <DistroJockey> np problem
[12:02] <DistroJockey> good luck
[12:02] <stefan> well it's how you say: it's worth a try:=
[12:02] <Ng> [Ramy]: he worked on the ubuntu kernel for a while - can you be a little more specific about where it stopped?
[12:02] <stefan> np;)
[12:02] <DistroJockey> indeed :)
[12:02] <DistroJockey> heh
[12:03] <DistroJockey> used to typing np, but tried to type more fully ;P
[12:04] <[Ramy]> Ng it stooped at usb1- configuration
[12:08] <Ng> [Ramy]: hmm that's quite strange. did the liveCD work?
[12:10] <Svish> how does the updater thingy work with running applications?
[12:10] <Pici> Svish: What do you mean?
[12:10] <Svish> it was a pidgin update I saw. and it updated. but I am using it.
[12:10] <Svish> is it updated? or will i have to restart pidgin?
[12:10] <Svish> or maybe the computer?
[12:10] <NET||abuse> hmm, was I talking with someone who had issues with their usb ports?
[12:10] <Pici> Svish: No, you need to restart pidgin
[12:11] <Svish> ok, thats what I thought
[12:11] <Svish> thanks :)
[12:12] <Svish> anyone here having used Aptana in ubuntu before?
[12:12] <[Ramy]> Ng yes
[12:13] <[Ramy]> i pressed alt+enter and everythinn is working now
[12:13] <Svish> Is Screens and Graphics supposed to work?
[12:13] <Svish> cause when I use it, it messes everything up...
[12:15] <Svish> ubuntu managed to find the correct resolution and stuff during setup, but if I try to adjust anything in Screens and Graphics, it goes mental and all I get is like... 800x600 or something like that
[12:15] <Svish> reinstalled ubuntu to get it back to normal :S
[12:17] <jimqode> Svish, it is supposed to work. You should look for a bug report for that, if there are none you should open one.
[12:18] <wangfg-x31> why my gui system menus not work?
[12:19] <Svish> jimqode: would like to investigate it further, but thing is that I dont really want to reinstall ubuntu again :p
[12:19] <jimqode> keep a copy of your xorg.conf somewhere
[12:19] <Svish> is it a way to make ubuntu run its... hardware automagic setup stuff again?
[12:20] <jimqode> Svish, "dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xorg-xserver" should bring your display settings back
[12:20] <amx109> on my first initial login, the 'desktop' part doesnt render, but if i logout and log back in it comes back. anyone having a similar problem?
[12:20] <Svish> -phigh?
[12:21] <jimqode> Svish, i don't know what phigh does. xorg.conf says to add it.
[12:21] <Svish> aha
[12:21] <jimqode> Svish, you should backup your xorg.conf anyway
[12:21] <Dr_willis> check the man pages for dpkg-reconfigure
[12:22] <Svish> jimqode: yeah, working on it now :)
[12:22] <Dr_willis> and yes ALWAYS keep backups of imporntant files like that one. :)
[12:22] <Dr_willis> its amazing how minimal my xorg.conf is in Hardy.
[12:22] <Dr_willis> I dont even see a driver 'nvidia' line.
[12:22] <Svish> jimqode: so if I mess things up, I would just boot up in recovery mode, replace it with backup, and reboot in normal mode?
[12:23] <Dr_willis> if it messes up, go to console, replace it. resart kdm/gdm - no need to boot to reciovery mode. :)
[12:23] <dns53> the new xorg is suppost to work without an xorg.conf, have not tested it though
[12:23] <jimqode> Svish, just press ctrl+alt+f1. it should take you to a console. you can copy the file over there. then run 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart' . your x server should restart
[12:23] <Svish> hm... section screen looks very weird... Identifier "Default Screen", Monitor "Configured Monitor", Device "Configured Video Device" :|
[12:23] <jimqode> Svish, no need for rebooting
[12:23] <Svish> aha
[12:23] <Dr_willis> dns53,  makes it a bit hard for me to set up my nvidia logo then. :)
[12:24] <Svish> cool
[12:27] <Zvezdichko> wow, my upgrade started, but I feel
[12:27] <Zvezdichko> I missed the config of gdm :(
[12:27] <Spenc3> does hardy supports the new version of OSS driver?
[12:34] <NET||abuse> is there a package for floola at all?
[12:34] <NET||abuse> i want to find a good app for working with ipods,, and i'm not a fan of gtkpod
[12:35] <amx109> NET||abuse, tried amarok?
[12:35] <NET||abuse> mmm, is amarok 1st not only a kde app, but also a bit on the heavy side
[12:35] <amx109> works well for me under gnome
[12:36] <NET||abuse> well sure you can load it in gnome, but the extra weight of kde libraries, and just the bloat of unneccessary features is too much..
[12:36] <NET||abuse> I only have a celeron m 1.4Ghz laptop here ;)
[12:36] <amx109> ah
[12:36] <NET||abuse> that said, it doesn't stop me running lotsa nice compiz effects, awn and gnome-do :)
[12:37] <amx109> heh, i run compiz on my eee. well worth it
[12:37] <NET||abuse> oooh, eee i love it
[12:38] <NET||abuse> was at the lug meeting here last night, one of the guys has one, i wanted to play with it...
[12:38] <amx109> how much memory do u hav in your laptop?
[12:38] <NET||abuse> 1.25GB
[12:38] <amx109> the default xandros OS that came with the eee had amarok as its music player
[12:38] <co0lingFir3> hey folks! how do i disable the integrity check in brasero?
[12:38] <NET||abuse> co0lingFir3, hmm, i'll check,, though isn't it a good thing to do ;)
[12:39] <warrend> hi
[12:39] <co0lingFir3> NET||abuse: hmm, it might be a good thing, but useless imho
[12:39] <NET||abuse> co0lingFir3, go to edit->plugins, disable the md5sum plugin
[12:39] <co0lingFir3> NET||abuse: takes quite long for me and i really dont need it
[12:39] <warrend> i would like to know if it is normal that now with hardy the bootsplash is ugly?
[12:40] <Lynoure> ugly?
[12:40] <warrend> before it looked smaller and better
[12:40] <warrend> yeah
[12:40] <NET||abuse> yeh, the progress bar on the boot splash is too fat
[12:40] <warrend> it's like you're booting in a too little reolustion
[12:40] <Lynoure> no idea what you mean, so I'd say "no"
[12:40] <warrend> and the bootsplash is too great
[12:40] <co0lingFir3> NET||abuse: thx
[12:40] <warrend> isn't it a bug?
[12:41] <warrend> for example the bootsplash should be vga=795 in 1280x1024x32
[12:41] <warrend> but it isn't the case
[12:41] <NET||abuse> warrend, nah, prolly just our community art work is a little off  :)
[12:41] <NET||abuse> my laptop can't even display 1280x1024,,
[12:41] <NET||abuse> so it couldn't be that by default no?
[12:41] <warrend> will it look back like on gutsy do you think?
[12:42] <NET||abuse> surely it's a 640x480 or 800x600
[12:42] <amx109> NET||abuse, my eee has a 600Mhz celeron processor and 2gb of ram. its running Amarok in gnome fine. you could try it and if u still dont like it, remove it?
[12:42] <warrend> it should be the same as your resolution (like in gutsy thoguhà)
[12:42] <NET||abuse> amx109, no, i've tried it and i really just want a lighter tool
[12:42] <amx109> NET||abuse, fair enough
[12:42] <NET||abuse> so was wondering if there was a floola deb being maintained somewhere.
[12:44] <tuntun> I install hardy using wubi, did 100MB of udpates, restarted and then got "initramfs" prompt. whats gone wrong?
[12:44] <amx109> NET||abuse, you could compile it into a deb and 'roll your own'?
[12:46] <wangfg-x31> why after boot x-windows, then the terminal cannot display charactors?
[12:46] <tuntun> I install hardy using wubi, did 100MB of udpates, restarted and then got "initramfs" prompt. whats gone wrong?
[12:47] <Dr_willis> we heard you the first time.
[12:47] <Zvezdichko> dunno
[12:47] <Dr_willis> :) and  i dont use wubi.. so no idea
[12:47] <Dr_willis> 100mb of updates? thats not a lot. I think i had 200+ just today
[12:47] <Changlinn> Anyone installed the Server version of 8.04 yet, I keep getting errors on install saying that there are files missing, I have verified the md5sum of the iso and burnt disk are all good, but a media check says it is bad, re-burnt same thing.
[12:48] <PodMan99a> hardy updates rock loads of them its great however im getting same thing with tuntun however i just booted to an older kernel
[12:48] <Zvezdichko> 200 mbs of updates?
[12:48] <Zvezdichko> wowwww!
[12:48] <Zvezdichko> you have to be kidding us :)
[12:49] <Dr_willis> I got about everything thats installable .. installed.. :)
[12:49] <tuntun> initramf[ile]s[ystem], is used the ubuntu-8.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso
[12:49] <Zvezdichko> I remember that last time I used Gutsy (it was still in the development branch) dpkg crashed and we had to return to an older version
[12:49] <Zvezdichko> until a fix is available
[12:54] <m12> hello
[12:55] <m12> since my prism54usb is not working right on HH , could i copy/paste on from GG to HH and use that one to have it working ?
[12:55] <Svish> um, does 8.04 have a minimum disk size for the root?
[12:56] <Zvezdichko> that's the scarriest part: setting up all software. it's the place where things may mess up
[12:57] <fromport> svish: which 8.04 version ? server kde gnome
[12:57] <Svish> um, regular desktop ubuntu
[12:57] <fromport> it's about  2.2 gig in total. without user data
[13:00] <Svish> it didnt say anything against my partitioning on my laptop. but on my friends laptop it says something like: Some of the partitions you made are too small. make the following partitions at least this large in bytes:
[13:00] <Svish> /<PHONE_NUMBER>
[13:01] <kuil> hi.. any birt/eclipse users here?
[13:01] <Svish> the harddrive is 60 gb I think. i created a swap of 1gb and a ext3 for / of about 10 gb. the rest is for the already existing ntfs partition
[13:01] <kuil> I am having trouble with some birt/eclipse stuff since I updated to hardy.. (java swt-gtk stuff)
[13:01] <m12> kuil , yes
[13:01] <kuil> does that work for you?
[13:02] <m12> it works all without problem , but fresh install of beta
[13:02] <kuil> I can't preview any reports....
[13:02] <kuil> I got en 'incompatible version' error
[13:03] <kuil> "version mismatch"
[13:03] <Changlinn> Anyone installed the Server version of 8.04 yet, I keep getting errors on install saying that there are files missing or the CD is damaged, I have verified the md5sum of the iso and burnt disk are all good, but a media check says it is bad, re-burnt same thing.
[13:03] <Changlinn> md5sum /dev/cdrom and md5sum /path/to/8.04.iso give the same result, that matches the md5sums on the site
[13:03] <kuil> m12: are you using gnome or kde?
[13:03] <m12> kuil , gnome
[13:03] <Pici> Changlinn: Are you using a daily ISO of the server CD?
[13:03] <kuil> k.. maybe I should try that then...
[13:03] <Svish> do I choose Primary or Logical for the partitions?
[13:03] <m12> kuil , backup your evolution data
[13:03] <Changlinn> Pici: no, just the beta
[13:03] <m12> kuil , then try reinstall evolution
[13:03] <kuil> I don't use evolution... but thx!
[13:03] <m12> ok
[13:04] <busan> hello
[13:05] <Pici> Changlinn: Have you tried burning at the slowest speed your writer supports?
[13:05] <Changlinn> Pici: I am trying one of my pressed 7.10 desktops now
[13:05] <Changlinn> I don't think it is the burn, two burns from two different machines
[13:05] <busan> I'm trying ubuntu hardy 8.04
[13:06] <Changlinn> and md5sum the disk is fine
[13:06] <busan> can I downgrade my hardy to gutsi?
[13:06] <Dr_willis> !downgrade
[13:06] <ubotu> Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.
[13:06] <Dr_willis> busan,  not likely.
[13:06] <Changlinn> #md5sum ubuntu-8.04-beta-server-i386.iso
[13:06] <Changlinn> 81b5f754c5ee18d8c6f84e5d4f7f99c9  ubuntu-8.04-beta-server-i386.iso
[13:06] <Changlinn> #md5sum /dev/cdrom
[13:06] <Changlinn> 81b5f754c5ee18d8c6f84e5d4f7f99c9  /dev/cdrom
[13:07] <busan> I have get many unsupport my system
[13:07] <Pici> Changlinn: Its possible that the iso itself was not built properly.
[13:07] <Changlinn> thats what I figured
[13:07] <Dr_willis> busan,  the system may work better with a clean install, not a upgrade also..
[13:07] <Changlinn> but I got it through the torrent and am still seeding it
[13:08] <Changlinn> from here http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-beta-server-i386.iso.torrent
[13:08] <Pici> Changlinn: Have you checked the md5sum from the website?
[13:08] <Changlinn> Pici: yep, it matches here http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/MD5SUMS
[13:08] <busan> a have report it, does team ubuntu will make a solution?
[13:09] <Changlinn> Pici: can i just wget -c the existing iso against the daily and have it finish it up :P
[13:09] <busan> des
[13:09] <Dr_willis> busan,  go to the bug reporting site and report good quality bugs. search to be sure they have not allredy been reported.
[13:10] <Pici> Changlinn: I do not know actually.  The daily isos are not tested with the same rigor that the proper releases are, so you may have other issues then.
[13:10] <Zvezdichko> will the upgrade from gutsy to hardy delete all old config files?
[13:10] <Pici> Zvezdichko: No.
[13:10] <Changlinn> Pici: I didn't download a daily did I?
[13:10] <Dr_willis> Zvezdichko,  they shouldent.
[13:10] <Pici> Changlinn: Nope.
[13:10] <busan> owh
[13:10] <Changlinn> hrmm
[13:11] <Zvezdichko> thank you, I'm still worried that I failed to configure kdm/gdm in the beginning
[13:11] <busan> :-D
[13:11] <Yazan-> hey, i have ubuntu running from a live CD and i want to connect to the internet, but it seems that the speedtouch connection icon(.lnk) doesn't open with ubuntu, so i want to download WINE and try openning the speedtouch from there
[13:11] <Changlinn> Pici: looks like an issue with this servers cd drive :(
[13:11] <Yazan-> will it work?
[13:11] <Pici> Changlinn: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/205359
[13:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205359 in ubuntu "Unable to install Hardy Beta Desktop i386" [Undecided,New]
[13:12] <Changlinn> Pici: as the pressed version of 7.10 dies too
[13:12] <Pici> Changlinn: oh
[13:12] <Pici> Changlinn: nevermind then!
[13:12] <Yazan-> any idea?
[13:12] <busan> where is chanel to learn c++?
[13:12] <Pici> Changlinn: This was the page I meant to link you to anyway: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/1418
[13:12] <Pici> busan: /join ##C++
[13:12] <busan>  /join ##C++
[13:13] <busan>  /join #C++
[13:13] <m12> :)
[13:13] <busan> :-/
[13:13] <m12> wihtout space on start
[13:14] <busan> owh, sory, I'm just copy your msg
[13:14] <Changlinn> Pici: it could still be the driver ubuntu uses for the drive, as when the install fails and I go back to detect cdrom drive, and tell it not to use hdparm it seems to load a couple of the debs
[13:15] <Zvezdichko> cannot install compiz-gnome... :( that doesn't look well
[13:15] <busan> how to get c++ app for my hardy?
[13:16] <Zvezdichko> busan: sudo apt-get install g++
[13:16] <Zvezdichko> g++ -o program program.cpp
[13:16] <m12> Zvezdichko: compizconfig-settings-manager ?
[13:17] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. Seems to be a bit of an issue with the nvidia packages..
[13:17] <Zvezdichko> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured - cannot install compiz
[13:17] <Zvezdichko> that's strange
[13:17] <Zvezdichko> this is the message I receive
[13:18] <m12> apt-get -f install
[13:20] <Zvezdichko> more details: We are sorry, the packet compiz:1:0.7.2-0ubuntu2 couldn't be installed. you can help if you send the bug to developers
[13:20] <busan> horee I have got my c++:-D
[13:21] <[Ramy]> i have 3945 abg intel wireless card . it's not working
[13:21] <busan> wait!!!! how to run my c++?
[13:22] <dns53> g++ file.c
[13:22] <busan> not run?
[13:23] <dns53> well that will compile it and create an executable called a.out, so run ./a.out after it is built
[13:24] <busan> ??
[13:24] <dns53> what are you building, the usual ./configure, make, make install is what people ususally do for applications you build from source
[13:24] <dns53> what are you building?
[13:25] <busan> sudo apt-get g++
[13:25] <jpatrick> !b-e
[13:25] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[13:25] <dns53> should be sudo apt-get install g++, but you may want to get the build-essentials package
[13:25] <Zvezdichko> well, after running apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:25] <Zvezdichko> I have no more packages
[13:26] <busan> how to run g++?
[13:26] <Zvezdichko> this means that Hardy was installed... and the system wants a restart
[13:26] <Zvezdichko> I'm a little worried about that :)
[13:29] <Dr_willis> busan,  install the build-essential package, then its 'gcc'
[13:29] <Dr_willis> brb.
[13:33] <strabes> I love that I am now able to resume from suspend using the fglrx drivers, but if I enable compiz my computer slows down insanely for like thirty seconds after resuming
[13:35] <Svish> how do you install a wireless card that was not enabled under the ubuntu installation?
[13:35] <quentusrex> Why is it that when I try to start a java web application the java control panel opens???
[13:36] <bicyclist> what happened to the xmms player ? I find xmms2 but xmms is no longer installable and several stream players depend on it.
[13:37] <Zvezdichko> ok, I successfully upgraded from Gutsy to Hardy, the system loads OK
[13:38] <quentusrex> Zvezdichko, how's your sound???
[13:38] <Zvezdichko> however, there are some issues that must be worked. Firstly, I have two kernels - 2.6.24-12-generic and 2.6.22-14 generic
[13:38] <Zvezdichko> quentusrex: my sound on KDE is out
[13:38] <quentusrex> Zvezdichko, don't boot the 14 kernel
[13:38] <Zvezdichko> doh! thank you, I wanted to delete the old one!
[13:39] <quentusrex> Zvezdichko, run the command: sudo apt-get install linux-image-modules-2.6.24-12-386
[13:39] <quentusrex> or something like that
[13:39] <quentusrex> the Hardy upgrade doesn't install the kernel modules.....
[13:39] <quentusrex> for some ****** reason...
[13:39] <Zvezdichko> can't find the package for modules
[13:39] <Zvezdichko> wait..
[13:39] <quentusrex> and the .24-14 kernel doesn't work...
[13:40] <[Ramy]> can anyone help me with Intel 3945 ABG ?
[13:40] <[Ramy]> i installed hardy beta
[13:41] <[Ramy]> the wireless card was detected but it does not wor k
[13:41] <elbermungsterses> i got a problem upgrading from Gusty to Hardy. the error is unclear at the moment, but it says something like "there was a bug and the possible reason is that you are upgrading to a pre-release" or something.
[13:41] <Zvezdichko> lol, I can't find the module file
[13:41] <elbermungsterses> i'll get the complete error message ASAP
[13:41] <quentusrex> Zvezdichko, apt-get install linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-12-386
[13:42] <indenial> anyone else getting lots of sigsegv errors in the beta?
[13:42] <Zvezdichko> wow, that's the file, thank you
[13:42] <Zvezdichko> :)
[13:42] <Zvezdichko> if the sound works after that, will it be a good idea to delete the old kernel?
[13:43] <elbermungsterses> probably yes.
[13:43] <elbermungsterses> at least, that's what i do.
[13:43] <elbermungsterses> and it works fine
[13:44] <indenial> anyone else getting lots of sigsegv errors in hardy?
[13:44] <elbermungsterses> is the upgrade process from hardy beta to stable seamless?
[13:44] <elbermungsterses> just wondering
[13:44] <Zvezdichko> hmmm, I have yet another question
[13:45] <Zvezdichko> I have installed KDE 4 before, on Ubuntu Gutsy...
[13:45] <Zvezdichko> it has remained there - is there something missing there?
[13:45] <Zvezdichko> it looks very much the same
[13:45] <Zvezdichko> only updated several of the files
[13:45] <tonybrewerio> this hardy-beta ruined my apache, anyone have the same prob? ffs -.-
[13:47] <Dr_willis> Using KDE4 right now. :) thers a lot of extras not installed by default for kder.
[13:47] <Zvezdichko> Dr_willis: that's ok... how to install the other stuff?
[13:48] <Dr_willis> with the package manager of course. :)
[13:48] <Dr_willis> i just downloaded some 200+ mb of exttra goodies to play with
[13:48] <elbermungsterses> wierd problem guys, i am only beginning to upgrade to hardy when update manager starts saying "627 updates available". is this normal?
[13:49] <Dr_willis> its saying updates are avial.. while its updateing? :) it must be monitoring some file and just flagging an alert..
[13:49] <Dr_willis> I tend to ignore that update manager whilei am doing things manually
[13:50] <chade> good morning, I really could use some help with a wireless card (Broadcom chipset).  I can connect to networks fine, but the card will not go above 1mb.  Can someone please help me?
[13:50] <steph_> I'm using hardy inside a virtual machine (vbox). But I have no sound. Is there someone here who has the same problem?
[13:52] <Dr_willis> steph_,  you did enable the soundcard for the virtual machine?
[13:53] <steph_> yes
[13:54] <steph_> And yes my speakers are on :)  Do I need a specific module for pulse inside vbox?
[13:54] <tehknow> I am having networking problems atm. I just installed a new zonet zn3301e gigabit network adaptor
[13:54] <tehknow> and I can't select it as my network device.
[13:55] <tehknow> its listed as a realtek card, but its not
[13:55] <steph_> What I understand from pulse audio, is that it is a sort of network soun server. Do I need to create a bridge from the host to the guest?
[13:55] <balgarath> Anyone running Beta on a Dell Inspiron 1501?
[13:56] <jimqode> balgarath, xps m1330 here
[13:56] <chade> balgarath:  i am running on a m1710 xps .. some of the hardware is similar, what is your question
[13:57] <Dr_willis> vbox shouldent need that steph_   pulse audio lets you do a lot of neet tricks. but not needed for vbox i think.... i could be wrong.
[13:57] <balgarath> was just curious how well everything worked..
[13:57] <steph_> Thanks. I'll search around.
[13:58] <chade> balgarath:  other than the wireless things work perfectly
[13:58] <chade> dell got cheap and put broadcom chipsets in everything
[13:58] <jimqode> balgarath, I have problem with my dell 1490 wireless adapter, other then that everything works fine. even all the weird buttons, fn key, card reader. I mean everything.
[13:58] <chade> see ... lol
[13:59] <balgarath> chade, did you end up using ndiswrapper or the other driver?
[13:59] <chade> my wireless works ... it just doesnt work above 1 mb
[13:59] <tehknow> can anyone help me?
[13:59] <chade> no .. fwcutter driver
[13:59] <chade> which works only mildly better than the ndis
[13:59] <jimqode> fwcutter here too, ndis does not work with mine
[13:59] <jimqode> wireless works but range is pretty limited
[13:59] <chade> problem being is that hardy installs the wrong fw for my card so it only works at 1mb
[14:00] <balgarath> gotcha, yeah the wireless sucks...did you guys have trouble in Gutsy with network-manager when you needed to switch to a diff wireless network?
[14:00] <balgarath> chade, that sucks
[14:00] <jimqode> I never had gutsy on my laptop. It's new and I started with hardy alpha 6
[14:00] <chade> not any problem here ... although before i got the update a few days ago it would act as though it was locked up even though it was working
[14:00] <jimqode> avahi sometimes creates problems on gutsy though
[14:01] <chade>  /agree .... most annoying ubuntu issue yet
[14:01] <bicyclist> balgarath, yes, that was the reason why i switched to wicd. Network Manager would sometime just tell me there are networks but would not connect to one.
[14:01] <jimqode> bicyclist, does wicd support wpa?
[14:01] <jburd> Yep
[14:01] <balgarath> bicyclist, thanks I'll check it out
[14:01] <chade> i think that bug is fixed now ... btw
[14:01] <chade> its fixed on mine now at least
[14:01] <balgarath> chade, network-manager?
[14:02] <chade> yeah
[14:02] <bicyclist> balgarath it is the thing i am using in the moment with hardy and it works very smoothly.
[14:02] <chade> i got an update i think on wed to it that caused it to stop that nonsense
[14:02] <balgarath> bicyclist, I will definitely check it out - so annoying :)
[14:03] <balgarath> So did you guys(besides jimqode) do the update from gutsy or a fresh install?
[14:03] <chade> mine was an upgrade from gutsy
[14:03] <bicyclist> I did the upgrade and it worked quiet smoothly
[14:03] <chade> ohh btw the xps light changer also doesnt work in hardy if you have an xps
[14:03] <balgarath> awesome, I had heard of troubles going from feisty to gutsy with the update
[14:04] <balgarath> one more thing - I'm running UbuntuStudio(RT kernel) - update should still work fine right?
[14:05] <chade> wish i could say for sure ..
[14:05] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> anyone used the gcalctool in hardy yet?
[14:05] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> it seems to like putting in too many commas :)
[14:05] <balgarath> is hardy a new kernel?
[14:06] <Pici> balgarath: Yes. 2.6.24
[14:06] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> sigh... perhaps I'm stepping on IRC toes here
[14:06] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> if I'm coming across as a newbie... I am
[14:06] <Dr_willis> ta_bu_shi_da_yu,  i dont see it puting any commas in
[14:07] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> type in 1000-2005
[14:07] <Dr_willis> Aha - ctrl-k to ENAABLE the 1000's seperator
[14:07] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> I get the result -1,,005
[14:07] <Dr_willis> yes - it is putitng in 2 commas.
[14:07] <Dr_willis> I dont need no stinking commas!
[14:07] <Dr_willis> :)
[14:07] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> also try switching it to advanced mode
[14:07] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> then use braces...
[14:08] <balgarath> I'm going to need a wired connect to install bwcutter aren't I?
[14:08] <r_heliman> WOW a lot of people here...
[14:08] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> type in 1+(5+6)
[14:08] <Dr_willis> it has commas in all the wrong places.
[14:08] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> it shows as 1,+(5,+6)
[14:08] <Dr_willis> 91,,66,6,6,66,,575
[14:09] <Dr_willis> 10,0,0,00,,000,,00,0,0,00,,000
[14:09] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> anyway, I lodged a bug with the gnome bugzilla... but should I lodge one on launchpad?
[14:09] <Dr_willis> it may or may not be gnome specific. so yes.
[14:09] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> cool
[14:09] <Pici> ta_bu_shi_da_yu: Sure, you can link the bug reports together too.
[14:09] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> ah? how so?
[14:10] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> sorry... I'm a newbie... trying to read doco as I go
[14:10]  * Pici looks for the option
[14:10] <nemo> ok. iwl3945 keeps failing for me. and others, apparently.
[14:10] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> I only hit one snag - for some reason I had an xgl-server installed
[14:10] <nemo> Does anyone know of whether anyone out there is maintaining ipw3945 for 2.6.24 ? in source, bin module or package form?
[14:10] <r_heliman> I just want to report a problem I am having with Ubuntu 7.10 and want to know if this problem is solved in Ubuntu 8.04? The problem is dat I am using a ATI radeon 9600 driver in my laptop. The laptop has a resolution of 1400x1050, and an external monitor has resolution 1280x1024. The problem is that the mouse is not vissable as a mouse on the external monitor, but just like a cube. This problem can only be fixed what I knew is to also ret
[14:10] <r_heliman> urn the laptop screen resolution back to 1280x1024 as the external monitor. but then the laptop is terrible,,, you will get a headacke of that
[14:11] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> this killed sessions
[14:12] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> I also discovered a bug in Firefox 3 where it doesn't repaint
[14:12] <Pici> ta_bu_shi_da_yu: eh.. I forget where it is, just put the bugzilla link in the report then
[14:12] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> this is logged with mozilla... I'm guessing that as it's now confirmed I don't need to log it in launchpad?
[14:12] <JediMaster> stupid question =)... I'm trying to run a program that I've just "make install"ed... the file is physically there, but I keep getting: "sudo: unable to execute /sbin/tuncfg: No such file or directory"
[14:13] <JediMaster> I've double checked with ls -al and it's there with rwxr-xr-x permissions
[14:13] <Ng> nemo: the kernel team will be looking after it
[14:13] <JediMaster> did exactly the same thing on gutsy and it works fune
[14:13] <JediMaster> er fine
[14:13] <Ng> nemo: it's in lum
[14:15] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> Dr_willis: I didn't have to switch on the thousands seperators... did you have to switch it on manually?
[14:15] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> great timing
[14:16] <chade> Anyone having an issue with apt-get autocompleting?  autocomplete is working everywhere except there as far as i can tell
[14:17] <JediMaster> argh, big hairy balls... running AMD64, still bash just saying the file doesn't exist is a weird error
[14:17] <matjan_work> have any of the updates over the past few days caused trouble? i have 105 package updates waiting, so i was just wondering...
[14:17] <chade> matjan_work:  they fixed a lot of my issues in fact
[14:18] <matjan_work> chade, that's good to hear, what issues for instance?
[14:18] <chade> network-manager locking up
[14:18] <Tuv0k> any know reason freenx is not in the repos for hardy?
[14:19] <Dr_willis> Tuv0k,  the company behind it may h ave not released it yet.
[14:19] <Dr_willis> check the freenx homepage?
[14:19] <Tuv0k> its released
[14:19] <Tuv0k> been released
[14:19] <RainCT> chade: do you have package bash-completion installed?
[14:19] <Pici> Tuv0k: Freenx wasn't in the other releases repos either
[14:19] <Linuturk> http://www.internetisseriousbusiness.com << serious business indeed
[14:19] <Tuv0k> ok
[14:19] <Tuv0k> and so why not hardy?
[14:19] <chade> rainct .. yes but apt-get still doesnt autocomplete
[14:19] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> Bug #208260 is now installed
[14:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208260 in gcalctool "Too many commas in gcalctool" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208260
[14:20] <Tuv0k> the latest release need not be there
[14:20] <Tuv0k> but some release of some kind?
[14:20] <RainCT> hm.. here it autocompletes even without it
[14:20] <Pici> Tuv0k: FreeNX is not in any Ubuntu repositories.
[14:21] <Tuv0k> why do you keep saying that?
[14:21] <hansjd> what am i doing wrong... i just installed ubuntu 8.04 (beta), and i cannot use sudo anymore
[14:21] <Tuv0k> so what
[14:21] <Tuv0k> why not put it in the one that is in development
[14:21] <hansjd> hansjd@hansjd-ubuntu:~$ sudo
[14:21] <hansjd> sudo: unable to resolve host hansjd-ubuntu
[14:21] <Tuv0k> using your "logic" no new apps would ever be added?
[14:22] <waylandbill> Tuv0k: isn't freeNX proprietary?
[14:22] <Tuv0k> no hence "free"
[14:22] <chade> tuv0k:  any reason to be rude to people that are trying to help you ?
[14:22] <Zvezdichko> line dropped
[14:22] <RainCT> hansjd: do you have "<IP_ADDRESS> localhost hansdj-ubuntu" in /etc/hosts?
[14:22] <Tuv0k> the company nomachine is proprietary?
[14:22] <Tuv0k> chade lookup the word
[14:22] <Tuv0k> no one was being "rude"
[14:23] <Dr_willis> They have a 'free' version.but its not gpl free
[14:23] <bazhang> Tuv0k: please calm down
[14:23] <RainCT> chade: no idea, sorry
[14:23] <waylandbill> Tuv0k: free doesn't mean it isn't proprietary. free != open
[14:23] <Tuv0k> Dr_willis, there we go, thanks
[14:23] <Dr_willis> i think is the 'proper' way to    say it.
[14:23] <Tuv0k> ty
[14:23] <Dr_willis> free as in beer, vs free as in speach
[14:23] <Dr_willis> theres a lot of 'free' things that are not free.. :)
[14:23] <Zvezdichko> how can I change the taskbar size in KDE 4 (Kubuntu Hardy)?
[14:24] <hansjd> RainCT, ; yes it is there on first line
[14:24]  * Tuv0k calm down, no one is hyped?
[14:24]  * orvokki hugs Tuv0k
[14:24]  * Tuv0k :) thx