[00:51] <Pici> !ping
[00:52]  * Myrtti facepalms
[00:52] <Pici> argh
[00:52] <Myrtti> I just learned how to use basename, after I had written three lines of sed to do what "baseline $dir" can do
[00:53] <nickrud> but sed is so cool
[00:53] <Myrtti> but it's so utterly useless in this
[00:54] <Pici> !ping
[00:54]  * Pici waits
[00:54]  * Pici taps foot
[00:55] <nickrud> oh, were're talking useful. doh
[00:55] <nickrud> pong
[00:55] <Pici> I could request a bot reset, but I'm not sure thats going to help
[00:56] <LjL> Pici: it might if it's the server's fault...
[00:56] <Pici> LjL: The bt isnt really responding
[00:57] <LjL> Pici: what domain was the bot on again?
[00:58] <Pici> LjL: ubottu.com
[00:58] <Pici> !ping
[00:58] <LjL> Pici: i think i have access to that machine... except err, i seem to have forgot my password.
[00:58] <Pici> That was me.
[00:59] <LjL> i guessed
[01:05] <LjL> agh
[01:05] <LjL> what's that darn password
[01:08] <LjL> Pici: if it's actually the same machine that i have in mine, it seems to be responding ok aside from bot and bt
[01:09] <Pici> LjL: hmm
[01:09] <Pici> Think I should issue another restart?
[01:09] <LjL> Pici: it's not yet back, i don't know, it should be back by now
[01:09] <LjL> won't hurt i guess
[01:10] <Pici> LjL: It said it couldnt find the bot process :/
[01:10] <Myrtti> uh oh
[01:10] <Pici> Restarting it thoughj
[01:10] <LjL> i'm john-the-ripping some of my password hashes, perhaps i'll find the one
[01:11] <LjL> not that i'll able to do much even if i can get in, but at least see if something's hogging the cpu
[01:13] <Myrtti> bloody bot
[01:17] <LjL> i think it'll time out again shortly
[01:17] <Myrtti> !ping
[01:18] <LjL> weird, it answered this one fast - not mine
[01:18] <Myrtti> !ping
[01:18] <Nafallo> !ping
[01:19] <Myrtti> I think that jussi01_'s postgres might have not been a good idea
[01:21] <LjL> !test
[01:22] <LjL> dammit
[01:22] <LjL> ah wait it's silent in here
[01:22] <LjL> works in #ubuntu
[01:25] <Myrtti> ehm?
[01:25] <LjL> just updating database to newest from ubottu.com
[01:30] <LjL> by the way Myrtti, i think it would have been a good idea to @mark the conversation with turtle here - he's being random again now and it should be nice (especially for ikonia) to be able to refer to what happened here
[01:31] <Myrtti> LjL: tbh, I really couldn't care less. I'm trying to work so I can go to bed and sleep.
[01:32] <LjL> Myrtti: ok, i know you weren't intending to deal with that unban to begin with, but after all it's just a "@mark turtle_"
[01:33] <Myrtti> ok, I'm going to go to the bantracker, if it responds, and mark the conversation with the link to the irclogs.ubuntu.com.
[01:34] <Myrtti> after that I'm going to commit this damned script to the svn, and go to bed, and sleep, and hopefully have no dreams
[01:34] <LjL> Myrtti: doing it now is much more complicated, with the linking to irclogs and all
[01:34] <LjL> i'm sure someone else can just explain what happened instead
[01:35] <LjL> but if we just make it a habit of doing a @mark after dealing with bans in here, it'll be easy and useful
[01:38] <Myrtti> I have nothing positive to say in this state of mind, so I'll just shut up.
[01:38] <Myrtti> @mark Myrtti
[01:38] <Myrtti> good night
[01:38] <LjL> gee
[01:38] <LjL> night
[01:45] <LjL> ubottu seems to be responsive right now
[01:46] <LjL> i guess i'll try again in a little while though before removing ubotwo
[01:47] <LjL> Pici: are you sticking around in the following hours?
[02:23] <Grant-A> hello
[02:23] <Grant-A> I accidentally joined #ubuntuforums and noticed that I was able to enter
[02:23] <Grant-A> It's probably an issue with my hostmask accidentally making the ban invalid
[02:24] <Grant-A> I just wanted to inform you guys of the mistake
[02:26] <Grant-A> I figured that honesty would be the best idea here ;)
[02:41] <LjL> Grant-A: yes it is, we appreciate that
[02:41] <LjL> let me check
[02:42] <LjL> Grant-A: i do believe your ban is still valid
[02:43] <jdong> Grant-A: just to clarify the last time we spoke in here we agreed to re-evaluate your ban in two weeks.
[02:44] <Grant-A> ok
[02:44] <Grant-A> well, seeing as that was cleared up, I guess I'm done in here
[02:44] <jdong> now I've been an extremely busy person during this time
[02:44] <jdong> but from what I've understood from glances at channel  logs and the comments of other ops, I believe the reasons for the ban remain valid at this time, sorry.
[02:45] <Grant-A> ok
[02:45] <Grant-A> that's fine I guess
[02:46] <Grant-A> perhaps it will be lifted in time?
[02:47] <Grant-A> with good behavior, of course ;)
[02:48] <LjL> Grant-A: it will be re-evaluated in two weeks, which means there's certainly a possibility of it being lifted.
[02:49] <Grant-A> ok
[02:49] <Grant-A> thank you for your time
[02:49] <Grant-A> adiaŭ, ĝis revido. :)
[02:49] <jdong> Grant-A: I really appreciate the change of attitude :)
[02:49] <jdong> I think we are on the right track now.
[02:50] <LjL> perhaps if you could just drop the esperanto as well...
[02:50] <LjL> it turns my stomach
[02:50] <LjL> on the topic of which, given you're still being an extremely busy person, i wonder just what can be left in your nose to pick at this stage
[07:23]  * Myrtti has coffee, feels better
[07:32] <Mez> mmm, coffee
[07:32] <Mez> *barfs*
[07:34] <elky> mmm coffee
[07:34] <elky> *licks lips*
[07:36] <Gary> meh, needsmoarcoffeez
[07:48] <Myrtti> Mez: charming
[07:50] <Gary> I read that so wrong...  Mez mmm, coffee, Mez *barfs, Mez mmm coffee, Mez *licks lips* <--- eeew
[07:52] <elky> lol
[07:53] <Gary> damn you and your shorter nick elky
[07:53] <Gary> :-)
[07:53] <Myrtti> Gary: you could have read "licks lips" wrong as well
[07:53] <Myrtti> "kicks hips"
[07:53] <Gary> Myrtti: well I did that too
[07:53] <Flannel> dips chips
[07:53] <Gary> oh, no I read it rudely
[07:53] <Myrtti> so did I
[07:53]  * Myrtti slaps herself, goes to work
[07:54] <elky> wheeeeeee, i finally ordered a new laptop
[07:54] <elky> taaaaaaaaaaasty specs
[07:54] <Gary> have a good day at work Myrtti
[07:54] <Gary> elky: ooow, what make/model?
[07:54] <Myrtti> I'll try to have a fun day
[07:54] <Myrtti> I know I'll slip and IRC every once in a while
[07:55] <elky> Gary, dell vostro 1310
[07:55] <Gary> I put on a tight top today, blimey I feel so gay
[07:55]  * Myrtti started her day watching Bee Gees Staying Alive
[07:55] <Gary> ooow leather back
[07:57] <Gary> elky: they look good
[08:02] <elky> Gary, i got a good deal too http://pastebin.ca/1354230
[08:03] <elky> it's full of typical dell gibberish, but i took out all their token/code/reference numbers
[08:05] <Gary> shame the wifi is not draft n
[08:06] <elky> yeah, but i can remedy that another time i think
[08:06] <Gary> 4gb waaaam, nice
[08:06] <elky> yaaaaaah
[08:06] <Myrtti> Gary: a wifi is a wifi, imo as long as it has endurable fast wifi, it's good
[08:07] <Myrtti> what ticks me off is that so few mobile phones/laptops have bt2.0
[08:07] <Myrtti> s/endurable/endurably/
[08:08] <Gary> Myrtti: yeah, I was just saying, as at home, when I tested my wifi being locked to n only, it was so much faster than B,G+N mixed mode
[08:09] <Gary> but it's a ruddy good laptop, cpu might be classed as a little slow, but it's a smallish machine
[08:09] <Gary> and a lot better priced than my macbook 13" unibody
[08:09] <Myrtti> I guess I'm a boring person
[08:10] <Myrtti> just as with packed music, after a certain treshold I can't see the difference in quality of the music / speed of the internets
[08:10] <Myrtti> anything packed with better quality than 128kbit is a waste on me
[08:10] <elky> Gary, i dont mind the cpu being a little slow, since there's 2 of them, and they're both faster than this one which nearly never scales up when needed
[08:10] <Gary> oh, it's not internet speed I was interested in, it was backing up to my NAS box :p
[08:11] <Myrtti> Gary: internets != Internet ;-)
[08:11] <Gary> I'm a bit ocd about backups
[08:11] <Myrtti> my backups are incremental rsyncs, so their fast enough already
[08:12] <Myrtti> which reminds me that I should do my backups
[08:12] <elky> actually, they're both equally fast as this one, but there is 2 of them
[08:12] <elky> Gary, do scroll down to the battery section though
[08:12] <Myrtti> but in comparison to any wifi bluetooth1.0 is slow as a mule on morphine
[08:12] <Gary> elky: 13" is inho a great size for a laptop, I hate the 17"+ ones, get a desktop!
[08:13] <elky> Gary, 17" ones are not laptops. they're lap crushers.
[08:13] <Myrtti> and since I do like to use my laptop in my lap at places with no wifi and using mobile tethering, I'd *REALLY* want a fast bluetooth
[08:13] <Gary> elky: 9 cell, is that big? (/me knows nothing)
[08:13] <Myrtti> yes
[08:14] <Myrtti> most laptops are 6, I've seen el cheapos with 3
[08:14] <elky> Gary, default batteries are usually 3 or 4 cell for cheap laptops
[08:14] <Gary> what do you guess the runtime will be on it?
[08:14] <elky> 4-5hrs
[08:14] <elky> since i dont game, and i'll probably turn compositing off.
[08:14] <Gary> woo, I got 5.5 hours on my old macbook pro once, that was fantastic
[08:15] <Gary> shame you paid the windows tax on it :'(
[08:15] <elky> i might even get more, i really wont know until i've cycled the battery a few times
[08:15] <elky> Gary, a. dont have a choice. b. i have to lose my vista virginity eventually, it might as well be in the safety of my own home
[08:15]  * quassel251 is getting a touchbook :)
[08:15] <quassel251> oh crap again
[08:15] <elky> ooooh
[08:16] <elky> hehehe
[08:16] <jussi01> grr
[08:16] <Gary> haha
[08:16] <jussi01> soo
[08:16]  * jussi01 is getting a touchbook :)
[08:16] <jussi01> :D
[08:16] <topyli> jussi01: is quassel251 your trolling nick? :)
[08:16] <Gary> elky: good luck with it, I have vista at home, but it has not been booted (by me) for a year odd
[08:17] <jussi01> topyli: no, its the default nick while I wait for my db to get fixed...
[08:17] <Gary> jussi01: I use chipmonk for trollings :p
[08:17] <jussi01> Gary: you are a chipmunk...
[08:17] <jussi01> :P
[08:17] <jpds> What's Sam2 doing in #u?
[08:18] <Myrtti> I don't know, but I'm kicking him soon
[08:18] <elky> Gary, considering this craptop i type into now is 512mb ram, an almost-never-scaling 1.8mhz sempron, requires an external wifi adaptor, has a battery life of half an hour and input 'peripherals' that are starting to require belting around....
[08:18] <Gary> great reason there Myrtti
[08:19] <jussi01> caps lock abuse!!
[08:19] <Myrtti> Gary: it's my new default. nicked it from someone
[08:19] <Gary> elky: how old is this current machine?
[08:19] <elky> i forget. i got it about 6 months before i went to UDS mt view in 2006 iirc.
[08:20] <elky> probably a bit later than 6mths before
[08:20] <elky> but it's 2.5 years and it was the cheapest non-acer laptop i could find.
[08:20] <Gary> wow, I think I am just a bit stupid on hardware then, my oldest machine is a mac mini, which sits under the telly as a media centre, bought in early 2007
[08:21] <elky> compaq v2627AU
[08:21] <Myrtti> ooh, compaq
[08:21] <Myrtti> so it's not shitty by default
[08:21] <Myrtti> probably quite good one for a laptop of it's age
[08:22] <Gary> I just sold my old july 2007 macbook pro to a work mate
[08:22] <elky> yeah, it wasnt crap, but it was the baseline cheapest model around at the time
[08:22] <elky> only cost me like AUD$800
[08:22] <Gary> the damn maniac paid in cash, so I think I am going to get mugged on the way home, as I cannot get to a bank here
[08:24] <elky> heh
[08:25] <Gary> it was nice to pass the machine onto someone who looks like they are turning into a well groomed macwhore (he also just bought a iphone)
[08:25] <Gary> also he is really interested in open source stuffs :-)
[08:26] <elky> do banks pike early in the UK too? many close like 4pm here, it's really annoying
[08:26] <Myrtti> ewwww macwhores...
[08:27] <Gary> I work in the middle of nowhere
[08:27] <elky> yeah, i'd only take a mac if it were given to me.
[08:27] <Gary> meh, I love my macs
[08:27] <elky> oh, i dont begrudge you. i just wouldn't pay that much for so little.
[08:27] <Gary> imho the build quality & design is super (yes it also costs waaay too much)
[08:28] <elky> i just cannot justify spending what they ask for, even if they have superior build quality. i'm quite happy to settle for the middle ground, which i've done.
[08:30] <elky> had i infinate money, i'd probably think differently, but i dont.
[08:31] <Gary> elky: well yeah, the money was not an issue (thank goodness) and when I was looking for a laptop I wanted "the best" (within reason, hence no sony)
[08:31] <elky> oh, and the benefit of buying from Dell SMB... "#Security Software       No Security Trialware"
[08:31] <Gary> yeah, woot, I'd still format their build and re-install though (hate OEM builds)
[08:32] <elky> hehe, the reinstall would probably have the trialware stuck on it somewhere anyway
[08:32] <Gary> I've seen some right messed up installs from OEM's (I am a IT support guy, and deal with probably thousands of installs a year)
[08:32] <elky> that's how hp/compaq do it
[08:32] <elky> hp/compaq only do recovery partitions :(
[08:33] <elky> dell include OEM discs at least iirc
[08:33] <Gary> hp include a standard windows install media, and a add-on dvd for the other rubbish
[08:33] <Gary> elky: the HP's we buy include DVD media
[08:33] <elky> Gary, not my two compaqs they didn't
[08:33] <Gary> maybe it's a option?
[08:33] <elky> this is also 2.5-4 years ago too
[08:33] <Gary> recovery partitions suck
[08:35] <elky> not an option for off-the-shelf in .au in my experience
[08:35] <elky> the UK/EU might differ there
[08:36] <Gary> it might be as we are classed as a large business/enterprise
[08:36] <elky> yeah, possibly
[08:37] <elky> 'you will include install media, or we will not buy those thousand desktops, kthxbai'
[08:37] <Gary> yeah, it does go like that sometimes
[08:38] <Gary> we had fun buying servers last year, "sell them to me at this price or i'll go elsewhere"
[08:39] <Gary> mind you, due to the stupid location, BT managed to rip us off for a £60K install for the data fibre
[08:39] <Gary> and took 8 months to install the ISDN30
[08:40] <elky> that's how telecommunications changes happen in australia. my boss knew the guy who initiated 'company bundles' here. walked into the biggest provider and said 'i want 1000 handsets, and one bill' .. they said no. walked into next biggest provider and said 'i want 1000 handsets and one bill, and $biggest_provider has already lost their chance' and so, company billing was born.
[08:40] <elky> or something like that anyway
[08:49] <Myrtti> [10:47] ~~~OnGaVeZyrKe
[08:49] <Myrtti><EMAIL_ADDRESS>has
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[08:49] <Myrtti> [10:47] < OnGaVeZyrKe> IWe can provide tha war against the all of
[08:49] <Myrtti>                        penguinfuckers irc channels and servers too
[08:49] <Myrtti> [10:48] ~~~mode/#xubuntu [+o Myrtti] by ChanServ
[08:49] <Myrtti> [10:48] ~~~OnGaVeZyrKe
[08:49] <Myrtti><EMAIL_ADDRESS>has
[08:49] <Myrtti>           left #xubuntu [requested by Myrtti: "Please see
[08:49] <Myrtti>           https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/AppealProcess if you feel
[08:49] <Myrtti>           mistreated"]
[08:49] <Myrtti> [10:48] ~~~mode/#xubuntu [-o Myrtti] by ChanServ
[08:49] <Myrtti> dear god, I hate irssi sometimes
[08:50] <Myrtti> normally it formats those pastes so nicely
[08:50] <Gary> another hungarian user!
[10:07] <Myrtti> unh
[10:55] <bazhang> oof
[10:55]  * bazhang floods ikonia
[10:55] <bazhang> :)
[11:17] <bazhang> sounds like a 5th amendment plea: never to the best of my knowledge
[11:18] <ikonia> I don't understand why when you say "please do this" people come back with pointless bits of info "I have 2gig"
[11:18] <ikonia> or "I am using kubuntu"
[11:20] <ikonia> if she's not ead the instructions for a 3rd time after asking - I'll be frustrated
[11:24] <bazhang> amazing the patience you have shown thusfar
[11:39] <bazhang> tony403> it's very important to be able to use one hand
[11:39] <bazhang> trolling?
[11:48] <ikonia> see what happens
[12:21] <bazhang> heh
[12:22] <ikonia> @mark
[12:22] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu tony403 placed on mute has he refuses to ackowledge any request to clam his langauge and attitude
[12:25] <ikonia> thats better, put a mute on properly
[12:25] <bazhang> pretty shocking how he escalated there
[12:26] <ikonia> bit out of the blue
[12:26] <bazhang> sorry was away having dinner
[12:26] <ikonia> no biggy
[12:52] <Myrtti> some day, probably not so far away, I'll lose my grip and kick every smartass/nosy ...
[13:27] <Myrtti> it's a pity the logs are sanitised so well
[13:28] <Myrtti> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2009-03-06.log.html#t2009-03-06T02:41:00 no way to do something like this... (sorry, might be nsfw, and not suitable for weakminded)
[13:29] <Pici> I dont know what a basename is,.
[13:30] <Myrtti> I do, now.
[13:30] <Myrtti> basename pwd AND basename `/bin/bash`
[13:30] <Myrtti> or whatever...
[13:30] <Myrtti> doing basename pwd with plain sed is painful
 common solutions for 500  <--jeopardy?
[15:03] <Pici> So.
[15:04] <LjL> is anyone here normally using clients that are not xchat, xchat-gnome, quassel or irssi?
[15:04] <Myrtti> I sometimes use mirggi
[15:04] <Myrtti> it has been months though
[15:05] <Myrtti> my irc addiction has relieved to a state I don't need to IRC from my phone
[15:06] <LjL> Myrtti: my irc addiction has relieved to a state I don't need to bring my eeepc with me when i'm relieving myself
[15:08] <LjL> or is that !tmi
[15:08] <Myrtti> I hope nobody uses pidgin...
[15:08] <Pici> Nobody should use pidgin ever.
[15:09] <Pici> Er, for IRC.
[15:22] <Myrtti> I've been thinking of trying ERC though
[15:30] <myrtti-erc> funky
[15:32] <genii-around> Heh
[15:33] <myrtti-erc> it's cute with pink_bliss.el, too!
[15:33] <Myrtti> [17:33] [freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from myrtti-erc: ERC Version 5.3 - an  IRC client for emacs (http://emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/ERC  (mailing list: erc-discuss@gnu.org))
[15:33] <Myrtti> :-D
[15:34] <LjL> i might switch to emacs
[15:34] <LjL> i'm not fond of kde 4, and gnome just doesn't like me
[15:36] <myrtti-erc> this looks really nice to use, but I wouldn't switch from irssi
[15:36] <myrtti-erc> I don't know if I have patience to learn it
[16:01] <ZOMGALLCAPS> Hi
[16:01] <ZOMGALLCAPS> please unban me from Ubuntu off topic
[16:02] <ZOMGALLCAPS> i will be good
[16:02] <ZOMGALLCAPS> i promise i shall not "troll os x" again
[16:02] <ZOMGALLCAPS> nevermind
[16:02] <ikonia> idiot
[16:02] <ikonia> what a wate of time troll
[16:09] <urgreat> hey
[16:09] <urgreat> :|
[16:09] <urgreat> asjo;asj
[16:09] <ikonia> urgreat: how can we help
[16:09] <ikonia> or should I say rohan
[16:09] <ikonia> again
[16:09] <LjL> bad quit message
[16:09] <Myrtti> urgreat: how about you change your quit message...
[16:09] <ikonia> rohan is a known pain
[16:26] <quassel251__> ikonia: ping
[16:26] <quassel251__> grr
[16:26] <ikonia> hello
[16:40] <LjL> jussi01, ubottu might be gone (or at least seriously lagging) again
[16:41] <LjL> also jussi01, could you err, reset my password for the APT site account?
[16:44] <LjL> oh, nevermind the bot thing then i guess
[16:44] <LjL> strangely, i didn't see this one coming
[16:49] <LjL> wha
[16:49] <LjL> hubbard just nick collided me
[16:50] <LjL-Hubbard> for the third time - damn server - jussi01, i was saying, could you reset my password on the apt site account? i think i've been smart and picked one that isn't one of my common passwords
[16:56] <stdin> LjL-Hubbard: for ssh?
[16:56] <LjL> stdin: yeah. i think you changed the fingerprint too?
[16:57] <stdin> the fingerprint changed when the server changed
[16:57] <LjL> ah
[16:57] <LjL> well anyway i just don't remember the password. i'm ashamed to say it, but that's how it is.
[16:58] <stdin> see /msg :)
[17:09] <LjL> !aptoncd
[17:09] <LjL> !offline
[17:09] <LjL> !no offline is <reply> If you need to download Ubuntu packages using another machine or OS, check the desired packages in Synaptic and select File > Generate package download script. Alternatively, try http://apt.alturl.com/ - See also !APTonCD
[17:09] <LjL> !no aptoncd is <reply> APTonCD is a tool with a graphical interface which allows you to create one or more CDs or DVDs with all of the packages you've downloaded via apt-get or aptitude, creating a removable repository that you can use on other computers - See also !offline
[17:10] <Myrtti>  how to keep an idiot occupied
[17:10] <Myrtti> :-D
[17:11] <LjL> ¡recursion is <reply> See !recursion
[17:11] <jussi01> haha
[17:11] <Myrtti> !recursion
[17:11] <Myrtti> damnit
[17:11] <Myrtti> I was sure there was one already
[17:11] <Pici> !recursion-#ubuntu-offtopic
[17:12] <Myrtti> *snigger*
[17:12] <LjL> you beat me
[17:12] <LjL> also
[17:12] <LjL> !recursive
[17:12] <Pici> oho
[17:12] <LjL> maybe *that* one could be done away with
[17:17] <Myrtti> hmmm
[17:17] <Myrtti> those need to be linked together
[17:17] <Myrtti> so !recursion would point to !recursive and vice versa
[17:18] <Myrtti> then it would be a proper one
[17:18] <Myrtti> :-P
[17:18] <jdong> (map (reduce ....
[17:18] <jdong> :P
[17:23] <jussi01> Seeker`: ping
[17:30] <shadeslayer> uh hi i cant get into #ubuntu
[17:30] <shadeslayer> i havent done something wrong have i??
[17:30] <shadeslayer> :(
[17:32] <Pici> shadeslayer: one moment
[17:32] <shadeslayer> thank you
[17:32] <jussi01> stdin: ping
[17:32] <stdin> jussi01: pong
[17:32] <Pici> bansearch is failing
[17:32] <shadeslayer> :) you guys playing ping pong??
[17:33] <stdin> hmm "Connection is closed"...
[17:33] <shadeslayer> maybe because i have a dynamic IP
[17:33] <jussi01> stdin: see Pici's comment
[17:33] <stdin> @reload Bantracker
[17:33] <Pici> LjL: Ping
[17:33] <stdin> it'll take a few mins for bansearch to come back
[17:33] <shadeslayer> ok
[17:33] <stdin> but the tracker should be up
[17:33] <Pici> stdin: it worked immediately for me
[17:34] <Myrtti> I just used the old login
[17:34] <stdin> Pici: that's because I get the warnings :)
[17:34] <shadeslayer> i have no idea why i was banned tho :)
 Warning: still syncing (41)
[17:34] <Pici> shadeslayer: I've asked the operator that banned you to address the issue.
[17:34] <shadeslayer> ok
[17:42] <LjL> shadeslayer: you shouldn't be banned at this time
[17:42] <shadeslayer> ok
[17:42] <shadeslayer> ill try
[17:42] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:42] <Pici> LjL<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:42] <shadeslayer> nope
[17:42] <shadeslayer> ah i have that IP right now i think
[17:43] <shadeslayer> ><
[17:43] <LjL> Pici: oh... was using another nick
[17:43] <shadeslayer> airtel my ISP changed my IP today
[17:43] <shadeslayer> new username and pass as i was experiencing problems
[17:44] <shadeslayer> still cant get in
[17:44] <LjL> shadeslayer: yes, there is a ban indeed
[17:45] <shadeslayer> lol
[17:45] <LjL> shadeslayer: i don't currently believe you're not the same person who was banned
[17:45] <shadeslayer> why??
[17:45] <LjL> shadeslayer: it would be an extremely unlikely coincidence.
[17:45] <shadeslayer> well you see my ISP changed my IP and username and pass today
[17:45] <shadeslayer> i was experiencing problems yesterday
[17:46] <LjL> i've set that ban today.
[17:46] <shadeslayer> yeah so they changed it today
[17:46] <shadeslayer> i only connected to the net about 2 hours ago
[17:46] <LjL> i set that ban today, 1:30 hours ago
[17:46] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:47] <shadeslayer> so what should i do??
[17:47] <shadeslayer> coz i didnt do anything
[17:47] <shadeslayer> one sec
[17:47] <LjL> shadeslayer: i believe you should refrain from using freenode unaffiliated cloaks in order to evade bans. i believe freenode staff doesn't approve of that practice.
[17:48] <shadeslayer> well i have a cloak since what a month
[17:48] <shadeslayer> i dont ever use it evade bans
[17:48] <shadeslayer> *to
[17:48] <LjL> shadeslayer: you weren't using a cloak when you were urgreat.
[17:48] <shadeslayer> who??
[17:48] <LjL> shadeslayer: you know who.
[17:48] <shadeslayer> uh no
[17:48] <LjL> uh yes
[17:49] <shadeslayer> come on
[17:49] <shadeslayer> i was shadeslayer and was talking to ikonia i think
[17:49] <shadeslayer> someone had problems updating their kernel
[17:50] <shadeslayer> OMG does this mean smeone hacked my Wifi??
[17:50] <LjL> no
[17:50] <shadeslayer> then??
[17:50] <LjL> it means you think you're fooling me but you are not.
[17:51] <shadeslayer> one sec call
[17:54] <shadeslayer> yeah so what should i do now?? even when i have done nothing??
[17:55] <shadeslayer> go away??
[17:55] <LjL> shadeslayer: yes, i think you should just go away, because i really think you won't convince me you have done nothing. i have more than enough evidence it's you.
[17:56] <shadeslayer> but it wasnt me !
[17:56] <shadeslayer> ok ill go away
[17:56] <shadeslayer> any idea if i can ever enter again??
[17:56] <LjL> shadeslayer: ok, it wasn't you - then you still have *three* complaints logged against "you" ("you" as in "shadeslayer").
[17:56] <LjL> that's more than enough for a ban anyway.
[17:56] <shadeslayer> whaaat
[17:56] <LjL> bans will be reviewed.
[17:56] <shadeslayer> by whom??
[17:57] <shadeslayer> who complained against me??
[17:57] <shadeslayer> i know i was banned from #freenode
[17:57] <LjL> by us, and that information is not for disclosure
[17:57] <shadeslayer> but thats it
[17:57] <shadeslayer> oh ok
[17:57] <shadeslayer> ill go
[17:57] <shadeslayer> thank you anyways
[17:58] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:58] <LjL> there's a mark about him in the bt.
[18:02] <Pici> Banned from #freenode... hrm
[18:02] <Gary> he isn't
[18:02] <Pici> Ever?
[18:02] <Gary> oh, might have been
[18:03] <LjL> Gary: note i actually just banforwarded "him" because he had "fuck you" as quit message
[18:04] <LjL> if he had just come in with the nickname and IP he used and asked... i'd have unbanned
[18:04] <LjL> talk about self-screwing
[18:39] <Seeker`> jussi01: pong
[18:43] <Pici> jrib: you banned the wrong person methinks
[18:49] <jrib> Pici: DCEmu_user01 ?
[18:49] <Pici> jrib: yeah
[18:50] <LjL> i'm not sure... as he was just k-lined
[18:55]  * genii sips and dances joyfully
[19:10] <Myrtti> !uds
[19:12]  * jussi01 wonders if he will get sponsored...
[19:12]  * Myrtti had an idea about uds, wondering if I should blog
[19:14] <Daviey> pink ponies?
[19:16] <jussi01> pink netbooks for everyone?
[19:16] <jussi01> :P
[19:16] <Myrtti> it's probably a stupid idea
[19:16] <jussi01> Myrtti: meh, tell us
[19:16] <Myrtti> and I don't know a thing about uds, so it might be impossible to make true
[19:17] <Myrtti> jussi01, Daviey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/127370/
[19:17] <jussi01> Myrtti: kerro minulle!
[19:17] <jussi01> :D
[19:17] <Myrtti> ♥
[19:18]  * Myrtti goes to upload pictures of her dinner
[19:19] <Daviey> crikey, not heard of that before
[19:25] <Mez> Dinnerblogging?
[19:29] <Myrtti> Mez: no, not really. The only dinnerblog I make is my flickr stream
[19:29] <Myrtti> and today has been a day of adventurous cooking. http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/archives/date-posted/2009/03/06/
[19:37] <Myrtti> ugh. Ubuntu member that hangs out at you know where
[19:38] <nickrud> Inclusiveness. Priceless
[19:39] <jussi01> bleh
[19:39] <Myrtti> I want to see the meeting logs
[19:40] <nickrud> logs? Logs are evil, the inhibit the free flow of insu^wideas
[19:40] <nickrud> s/the/they/
[19:54] <Myrtti> I find it a bit rude that he's all "I want my cloak now"
[19:58] <jussi01> yeah... bit pushy
[20:07] <Pici> argh
[20:07] <jpds> Myrtti++
[20:18] <jpds> Myrtti: You don't have to look far: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/03/06/%23ubuntu-meeting.html
[20:18] <Myrtti> yeah I did
[20:19] <Myrtti> waaaay ahead of you
[20:36] <LjL> Myrtti: and what's wrong with hanging out you know where? we've all been encouraged to in the ubuntu newsletter!
[20:37] <Myrtti> LjL: nothing wrong, his a bit pushy attitude just caught my eye
[20:37] <Myrtti> sorry
[20:38]  * Myrtti hides and shuts up
[20:54]  * genii hides and sips
[20:59] <jpds> !br
[21:00] <jpds> We need to add a note about English only to that.
[21:03] <LjL> jpds: if they don't want to understand they should go to the relevant channel, they just won't
[21:03] <LjL> anyway, you can ask jrib
[21:05] <LjL> Myrtti: so why aren't you in there? it is doing a bang up job acting as a bridge for people outside of our Ubuntu community. be sure to drop in and say hello. You'll be glad you did.
[21:06] <Pici> Which channel aren't we talking about?
[21:06] <LjL> Pici: ooooh... it's...
[21:06] <LjL> Pici: the name escapes me
[21:08] <Myrtti> LjL: I've got plenty of IRC channels to ignore as of now already, thanks.
[21:26] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[21:26] <Amaranth> jannis needs to push more often
[21:26] <Amaranth> whoops, wrong channel
[21:28] <LjL> Myrtti: but it has grown to over 100 members! and they were the #1 team, among all teams, that participated in Global Bug Jam 2008
[21:43] <Myrtti> LjL: as I also suspect that ASUS-tek and couple of other creepy people are there, I'd rather chew my arm off than join
[21:45] <LjL> Myrtti: chewing your arm actually helps the community!
[21:45] <Myrtti> LjL: I'm *NOT* going to join a channel full of (potential) cyberstalkers.
[21:46] <Myrtti> I've got enough of them already
[21:47] <Gary> cool, me too
[21:47] <Gary> I <3 my stalkers
[21:47] <pleia2> Myrtti: wise choice, I left after a particularly frustrating and very sexist incident
[21:47] <Gary> what channel is sexist?
[21:48] <pleia2> I wouldn't say "they are sexist" but I'm referring to ##club-ubuntu
[21:49] <pleia2> they just don't adhere very closely to the CoC
[21:49] <Myrtti> if at all
[21:49] <Gary> oh dear, I ain't joining
[21:50]  * pleia2 was trying to be generous :)
[21:50] <pleia2> it's run by a woman, but she's the thick-skinned type who doesn't care if people are offensive
[21:50]  * pleia2 shrugs
[21:51] <pleia2> some people like that :) I just avoid it
[21:52] <Gary> can I "no comment" ?
[21:55] <LjL> Gary: no, you're bound to comment now. you were the one triggering an explicit mention in the channel name to begin with.
[21:55] <Gary> yeah, sorry, wish I had not, it gave me a headache last year
[21:59] <Myrtti> I wish I had been quiet as well
[22:00] <LjL> Myrtti: but being quiet doesn't help the community! you must SPREAD THE WORD!
[22:01] <LjL> Myrtti: also, you can mute me if you like
[22:03] <Myrtti> why would I mute you, you run/code the floodbots and actually do something useful and contribute to the community, while I make poor decisions and my logic in channel management has been questioned with my capability of handling stress and difficult discussions...
[22:04] <Myrtti> meh.
[22:04]  * Myrtti goes to knit
[22:04] <LjL> it's the coffee, i'm sure
[22:05] <pleia2> oh, my bad :)
[22:05]  * Gary hugs Myrtti
[22:41]  * nickrud sends deep dark chocolate and high grade coffee and premier liquors in Myrtii's direction, along with a few choice obscenities for later application in appropriate situations
[23:03] <nickrud> oh, it fell out of the package: a sharpener for that furry/fuzzy pencil of doom thing
[23:21] <bazhang> wondering about shadeslayer; there is sometimes a user in #debian named sh4d3s1ay3R (or quite similar) who has often discussed trolling #ubuntu channels, how bad Ubuntu is, etc. still need to find the IP address and exact nick
[23:22] <jussi01> he seems ok'ish in #k most of the time...
[23:22] <jussi01> Gary: you around?
[23:22] <LjL> bazhang: you see the stuff about shadeslayer ealier here i guess?
[23:23] <bazhang> LjL, yes, and held back at earlier behaviour in #ubuntu (when he was simply shadeslayer) as it was borderline seeking help, but a bit dodgy
[23:24] <LjL> bazhang: quite borderline yes, just about what a troll who knows his stuff should be
[23:25] <bazhang> stuff like how do I make my LED lights act as a signal for email received or something similar, how do I completely underclock my video card automatically via software controls in ubuntu, and the like
[23:25] <bazhang> LjL, good point
[23:25] <LjL> my logs from #debian have a big gap, but i'll check them too anyway
[23:26] <bazhang> reminded me of psufan wanting to install ubuntu to replace car management system via midi port in bmw
[23:27] <bazhang> pretended not to speak English well, be not bright, then was banned in #ubuntu and u-ot; saw him doing exact same in #debian and when called on it he had perfect syntax in cussing me out
[23:28] <LjL> bazhang: it's probably him, ip subnet mostly matches
[23:29] <LjL> sh4d3sl4y3r (with or without a trailing underscore) is the nick
[23:29] <bazhang> LjL, okay; got the info from a long-time ubuntu user who is very well trusted/helpful, then checked myself and saw the same user there
[23:29] <bazhang> yep
[23:30] <LjL> @mark sh4d3sl4y3r shadeslayer


[12:17] <mparillo> KDE Apps 21.04 landing in II. Konsole and Dolphin passed the one minute test. Kate also seems fine, but I noticed a git plugin that I had never noticed before, even though I had not installed git yet.  I assume it is related to https://kate-editor.org/post/2019/2019-10-20-git-client-integration/
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Hi folks


[00:00] <virtuald> why is there no asoundconf in the alsa-utils package?
[00:02] <virtuald> "Asoundconf has been removed in karmic, in anticipation of the new GNOME volume control + pulse configuration. "
[01:12] <MTecknology> !locate updatedb
[01:13] <MTecknology> !find updatedb
[01:33] <DanaG> ugh, damned notify-osd has been notifying me of track changes for the past 5 minutes or so.
[01:33] <DanaG> Doesn't that thing have an expiration date on notifications?
[01:34] <DanaG> Try playing a large album in quodlibet, with PA set to not autorespawn... and then kill the pulseaudio server.
[01:34] <DanaG> Now the notify-osd gets severely backlogged.
[01:35] <DanaG> It's that hardcoded 500ms minimum time.
[01:35] <MTecknology> OOo3.0 It's not OOo3.1 - but thank you guys for finally removing its obsession w/ gnome-settings-manager
[01:37] <MTecknology> DanaG: there really should be some customization options to it...
[01:37] <DanaG> Yeah.
[01:37] <MTecknology> none there by defualt - just through dpkg-reconfigure
[01:37] <DanaG> It's like they're trying their damnedest to be Apple.
[01:38] <DanaG> ... but only getting the bad parts.
[01:38] <MTecknology> :P
[01:38]  * DanaG turns into a dock icon and sits there bouncing, for-frickin-ever.  bounce.  bounce.  bounce.  bounce.  bounce.  bounce.  bounce.  bounce.  bounce.  bounce.  bounce.  bounce.  bounce.  bounce.  bounce.  bounce.  bounce.
[01:38] <MTecknology> I really like the sexxy - and for my environment it works perfect
[01:38] <DanaG> Try using the media player app quodlibet with it -- notify-osd makes track-change-notifications UNUSABLE.
[01:38] <MTecknology> I just see where others would prefer something slightly different
[01:39] <MTecknology> I'm not a multimedia kind of person
[01:39] <DanaG> Skip back 5 tracks at once... and boom, you still are on the first notification, and haven't a damn clue what track you're actually on.
[01:40] <MTecknology> I do like many of the changes I'm seeing in 9.10
[01:40] <MTecknology> long as nothing breaks
[01:40] <MTecknology> :P
[01:40] <DanaG> They should make it so that if you have, say, 8 notifications in 1 second, they start pushing the earlier ones out... earlier.
[01:40] <MTecknology> ya
[01:44] <DanaG> Oh, and try this, for a torture-test: add service-discovery-applet to your panel, and then enable notifications, and enable discovery of ALL services.
[01:44] <DanaG> On the old system, it spammed all notifications all at once... and then they all disappeared all at once.
[01:44] <DanaG> On the new one......... let's just say that, on a busy network, they'll be going for hours.
[01:57] <m_tadeu> hi everyone
[01:57] <m_tadeu> is there any kind of integration with akonadi and gmail?
[01:57] <MTecknology> DanaG: seems I lost screen brightness control in 9.10
[01:58] <MTecknology> I'm starting to think that because this is a production system I should go back to 9.04 :P
[03:17] <khazil> openal seems totally broken now
[03:17] <khazil> at least, it seems to be now that I am using oss4... something is very fishy
[03:26] <khazil> yep, there's been a regression it seems... Jaunty's OpenAL/ALUT libraries work perfectly fine
[03:44] <khazil> is anyone at all running Karmic?
[03:44] <robin0800> yes
[03:45]  * jmarsden runs Karmic (in a VirtualBox VM)
[03:51] <turbo_> hey i got banned out of the blue from #ubuntu, how do i get unbanned?
[03:52] <khazil> jmarsden: yeah, but then you don't get to see the horrible bugs that only happen when you use real hardware
[03:53]  * jmarsden is willing to allow others that priviledge, at least until Karmic is in beta :)
[03:53] <khazil> I have a feeling it will take a long time to convince a dev that this OSS support mysteriously vanishing is a bug
[03:59] <jmarsden> khazil: If you can reliably replicate that behaviour, especially if you can do it on two different machines, then you can document exactly how to reproduce the issue in your bug report... well written bug reports including "steps to reproduce" are likely help convince developers the bug is real, because they will be able to reproduce it themselves.  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Improving
[04:06] <khazil> jmarsden: well, not sure if Ubuntu even supports OSS anymore
[04:07] <jmarsden> Where did you get the OSS packages you installed from?  If they are in Ubuntu main they are supported, if in universe the MOTUs may want to know about the bug, at least.
[04:07] <jmarsden> If you don't write the bug report you will never find out :)
[04:15] <khazil> jmarsden: they are from 4front
[04:15] <khazil> jmarsden: what sort of bug report do you write for "missing libs"?
[04:16] <khazil> which were in jaunty before, that is
[04:16] <jmarsden> Ah.  Then get support from 4front, don't expect it from Ubuntu devs :)
[04:16] <jmarsden> On missing libs: find out the package name and determine why that packge was dropped?
[04:17] <jmarsden> If it just needs a maintainer, maintain it :)
[04:17] <khazil> jmarsden: the thing is, the package wasn't dropped
[04:19] <khazil> a library from one of gstreamer's plugin packages was dropped (libgstoss4audio.so)
[06:39] <nhasian> Hello everyone
[09:35] <tgpraveen> hi
[09:36] <tgpraveen> I know this is not a karmic ques but a jaunty ques
[09:36] <nperry> #ubuntu
[09:36] <tgpraveen> today I upgraded to jaunty final from jaunty alpha 5
[09:37] <tgpraveen> and now in pidgin whenever someone comes online the messaging indicator shows a green dot
[09:37] <tgpraveen> and this is annoying should it not highlight itself whenever someone sends a msg
[09:37] <tgpraveen> right?
[09:37] <tgpraveen> nperry: I tried there but there is a lot of noise
[09:38] <tgpraveen> there so I thought maybe someone here could help me
[09:44] <tgpraveen> ?? is this a bug or this is the intended behaiviour
[10:47] <daud> i need help getting my hard drive to stop being constantly accessed. am i in the right place?
[10:50] <nhasian> daud, are you using karmic alpha2?
[10:53] <nhasian> is there a place for discussing ubuntu+1 at ubuntuforums.org?
[10:53] <yofel> daud: you can check what's accessing it with iotop
[10:54] <DsBoy> how run a ircd server i cant connect
[10:55] <nhasian> yofel, thats good to know.  i just installed and tested iotop out myself
[10:56] <nhasian> DsBoy, you might want to try in #ubuntu instead
[11:00] <nhasian> nevermind, i found the karmic koala testing forum.  it was really buried in Ubuntu Forums > The Ubuntu Forum Community  > Other Community Discussions  > Development & Programming
[11:39] <hubu> I am running UNR (Ubuntu Netbook Remix) 9.04 on MSI WIND U100X. I am having a lot of trouble with the sentelic touchpad. It is totally unusable for me.  The only solution I have found is compiling the sentelic drivers (OS) available here (http://sourceforge.net/projects/fsp-lnxdrv/) but I have absolutely no experience with this stuff. Would someone please suggest me a way that doesn't involve
[11:40] <BUGabundo> hubu: known bug
[11:40] <hubu> I am submitting this year because the kernel patch has been submitted upstream and is waiting to be included.
[11:40] <BUGabundo> see alpha2 release notes
[11:40] <hubu> *here
[11:42] <hubu> BUGabundo: Can't find them. Do you have some idea to help me solve this?
[11:43] <BUGabundo> humm wait... one year?
[11:43]  * BUGabundo re-reads.... blames sleep
[11:43] <BUGabundo> ahhh 9.04.... wrong # old chap
[11:44] <BUGabundo> this is for Karmic 9.10... that's why I mentioned that bug and release notes eheh
[11:44] <BUGabundo> hubu: please file a bug if you still haven't, and try to get that driver into ubuntu kernel, or even better, upstream
[11:45] <BUGabundo> also try the mainline kernel to see if it actually contains or not good support for your device
[13:00] <BUGabundo> no sound on flash! bummer
[14:06] <wirechief> anyone have issues with last nights update ? I noticed that network icon was missing.
[14:59] <dupondje> sound seems to be half broken :p
[14:59] <dupondje> some programs have sound
[14:59] <dupondje> some not :x
[15:01] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:02] <dupondje> haaaay ! ;)
[16:00] <BUGabundo> boa tardes
[16:00] <yoasif> hola
[16:02] <BUGabundo> yoasif: why the 3rd degree questionaire yesterday?
[16:02] <BUGabundo> it would have saved you time, by looking at my wiki, its all there
[16:02] <yoasif> BUGabundo: eh just bored
[16:02] <yoasif> ah
[16:04] <yoasif> just looked at it
[16:05]  * BUGabundo tries to find yoasif wiki too
[16:05] <yoasif> not much ther
[16:05] <BUGabundo> "there's a dot com there as well.  "
[16:05] <BUGabundo> duh
[16:17] <BUGabundo> a bit OT but if anyone needs it: http://ppa-search.appspot.com/
[16:32] <CarlFK> BUGabundo: awesome
[16:33] <BUGabundo> CarlFK: also https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas
[16:36] <CarlFK> one is very useful, the other is barely interesting :)
[16:37] <BUGabundo> and there's Firefox search engine from ubufox too
[16:37] <BUGabundo> although I still search on google
[16:46] <BluesKaj> google-linux has gone downhill ..it's search sucks lately
[16:47] <BUGabundo> I wonder why /sarcasm
[17:11] <darthanubis> I need a default kernel config for the latest karmic kernel
[17:12] <darthanubis> maybe I just just download the iso and get it from a VM?
[17:13] <BUGabundo> darthanubis: that could work
[17:13] <BUGabundo> but why not tell us more about that?
[17:14] <BUGabundo> does it need to be karmic kernel? or just -30?
[17:14] <darthanubis> I'm trying to get this bug resolved
[17:14] <darthanubis> just -30
[17:14] <BUGabundo> then get mainline kernels
[17:15] <darthanubis> I compiled the -30 kernel against my 9.04 config and the same "bug" appears
[17:15] <darthanubis> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/GitKernelBuild
[17:15] <darthanubis> I followed that page
[17:16] <darthanubis> Linux core2duo 2.6.30-custom #1 SMP Sun Jun 14 04:31:34 EDT 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:16] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox-ose/+bug/347487
[17:17] <darthanubis> That is the bug I'm looking to squash
[17:19] <BUGabundo> ok
[17:19] <BUGabundo> I guess you did all you could!
[17:19] <BUGabundo> maybe upstream it to sun too?
[17:19] <BUGabundo> or is a local bug?
[17:21] <darthanubis> I think local?
[17:22] <darthanubis> noone is addressing the bug
[17:22] <darthanubis> No one seems to run a 64bit OS and enables VT in Vbox?
[17:24] <darthanubis> I assume it has something to do with the kernel Ubuntu uses
[17:24] <darthanubis> the 9.04 kernel
[17:25] <darthanubis> because the last working kernel was when I had 8.10 installed
[17:25] <darthanubis> so
[17:25] <BUGabundo> apw: ping. can you point darthanubis on the right direction ?
[17:25] <darthanubis> I need an 8.10 kernel config, or a 9.10 kernel config me thinks
[17:25] <BUGabundo> darthanubis: you over my board! you need kernel experts! eheh
[17:26] <BUGabundo> have you tired asking on #ubuntu-kernel ?
[17:26] <BUGabundo> ask, and waittttttttt for a long time
[17:26] <darthanubis> I'll have to fix this myself as usual
[17:27] <darthanubis> I don't need help with the easy stuff, and I never get a response for the hard stuff
[17:27] <BUGabundo> ehe
[17:27] <BUGabundo> maybe you are not making the right question
[17:27] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[17:27] <darthanubis> do you have a 8.10 system or are you running karmic?
[17:28] <BUGabundo> karmic
[17:28] <BUGabundo> cwillu: ping
[17:28] <darthanubis> can you pass me your .config?
[17:28] <BUGabundo> can you help ?
[17:28] <BUGabundo> mine? it's the default one
[17:28] <darthanubis> that is what I want
[17:29] <BUGabundo> let me know who to get it for you
[17:29] <darthanubis> ?? who, you mean how?
[17:30] <BUGabundo> eheh
[17:30] <BUGabundo> s/who/how/
[17:30] <darthanubis> email it to me
[17:30] <BUGabundo> 1st I need for you to telm me how to obtain it
[17:31] <darthanubis> ohhh
[17:31] <BUGabundo> ehhe
[17:31] <BUGabundo> I told I'm no kernel expert
[17:31] <darthanubis> cp /boot/config-`uname -r` .config
[17:31] <darthanubis> so you'd open a terminal
[17:32] <darthanubis> cd /home/yourusername/Desktop
[17:32] <darthanubis> cp /boot/config-`uname -r` .config
[17:32] <darthanubis> cp /boot/config-`uname -r` config
[17:32] <BUGabundo> eheh
[17:32] <BUGabundo> not that verbose
[17:32] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[17:32] <darthanubis> no period before config
[17:32] <BUGabundo> not a bare new user LOL
[17:32] <darthanubis> that why it won't be a hidden file on your desktop
[17:33] <darthanubis> then email me the file config
[17:33] <cwillu> BUGabundo, poke
[17:33] <BUGabundo> $ pastebinit .config
[17:33] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/195787
[17:33] <darthanubis> or that way
[17:33] <BUGabundo> poki poke cwillu. my friend what are you doing inside on such a lovely day? eheh
[17:33] <cwillu> was 27 yesterday, I'm still recovering :p
[17:33] <BUGabundo> cwillu: can you help darthanubis ?
[17:34] <darthanubis> happybday
[17:34] <darthanubis> BUGabundo, if you really want to help, see if VBOX hard locks your system with VT enabled?
[17:34] <darthanubis> BUGabundo, what kind of cpu you running, and are you running 64bit?
[17:35] <cwillu> darthanubis, why are you compiling?  you can install the 2.6.30 kernel debs from karmic directly, or use the mainline kernel ppa
[17:35] <BUGabundo> ohh Happy b'day cwillu!
[17:35]  * cwillu puzzles
[17:35] <BUGabundo> I guess I'll have to mark that on my calendar
[17:35] <cwillu> october :p
[17:35] <BUGabundo> c2d
[17:35] <darthanubis> ok, I think I need the mainline PPA, I'm mot using Karmic, I'm still 9.04
[17:35] <cwillu> BUGabundo, 27 degrees :p
[17:35] <BUGabundo> doh
[17:35] <darthanubis> oops
[17:36] <BUGabundo> ahh I knew you had to be Libra like me
[17:36] <BUGabundo> got thrown away by darthanubis reply
[17:36] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[17:36] <BUGabundo> 27ºC? is that cold for you?
[17:36] <cwillu> darthanubis, that's what I said though, you can still just install karmic's kernel debs, just don't add the karmic repos
[17:36] <BUGabundo> darthanubis: I can put -30 on jaunty
[17:36] <BUGabundo> even on ibex
[17:37] <darthanubis> https://launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive/ppa
[17:37] <darthanubis> is that it?
[17:37] <BUGabundo> darthanubis: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMainlineBuilds
[17:37] <BUGabundo> yea
[17:37] <BUGabundo> cwillu: PVT
[17:38] <cwillu> http://www00.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=saskatoon+weather+2008-2009
[17:39] <cwillu> pvt?
[17:39] <cwillu> oh :p
[17:40] <darthanubis> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.30/
[17:40] <darthanubis> Thats what I needed!
[17:40] <darthanubis> Now lets see if I can reporduce this bug
[17:41] <BUGabundo> cwillu: doh!
[17:41]  * BUGabundo hands ice buckets to cwillu and a fan
[17:41] <BUGabundo> darthanubis: but I told you that from the start !!!
[17:58] <BUGabundo> darn
[17:59] <BUGabundo> one min to late... was going to ask darth if it was fixed
[17:59] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: hi
[17:59] <BUGabundo> hey thiebaude long time no see
[18:00] <thiebaude> yea, really,lol
[18:00] <thiebaude> im back at testing 9.10
[18:00] <BUGabundo> YAY
[18:00] <BUGabundo> \o/
[18:00] <thiebaude> i couln't leave you guys for long:)
[18:01] <BUGabundo> hehe
[18:01] <BUGabundo> A2 is still a good point
[18:01] <BUGabundo> but until now, this # as been wayyyy too calm
[18:01] <thiebaude> i do have one bug
[18:01] <BUGabundo> only a few major changes to KK to make users came and complain
[18:01] <BUGabundo> like the grub2 and tap click
[18:01] <BUGabundo> oh and audio flat
[18:02] <yofel> BUGabundo: what's audio flat?
[18:02] <BUGabundo> hey yofel
[18:03] <BUGabundo> something danag was bableing about yesterday
[18:03] <BUGabundo> where PA _tries_ to be nice to all apps when they are at diff point
[18:03] <BUGabundo> too complex for my taste
[18:03] <yofel> o.O
[18:03] <BUGabundo> and it seems to buggy too
[18:04] <thiebaude> anyone having a problem opening nautilus?
[18:04] <BUGabundo> define prob
[18:05] <thiebaude> Could not display "computer:///".
[18:05] <BUGabundo> ME ME ME
[18:05] <BUGabundo> oh wait
[18:05] <BUGabundo> that was NETWORL:///
[18:05] <BUGabundo> let me try that
[18:05] <yofel> works fine here
[18:06] <BUGabundo> works for mw
[18:06] <thiebaude> its minor because i can use thunar
[18:10] <billybigrigger> opening computer:// takes me to computer:///
[18:10] <billybigrigger> works ok for me
[18:19] <yofel> an annoying bug i get in nautilus is bug 380929
[18:19] <yofel> can anyone reproduce that?
[18:24] <darthanubis> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline
[18:24] <darthanubis> can I put that line in my repos?
[18:24] <cwillu> no
[18:24] <darthanubis> did  not think so
[18:24] <cwillu> it's deliberately set up for that to not work
[18:24] <darthanubis> thx
[18:24] <darthanubis> I can dig it
[18:24] <cwillu> s/.../it's deliberately set up to make that not work/
[18:25] <darthanubis> gotcha
[18:25] <darthanubis> trying to get this kernel installed
[18:25] <darthanubis> said there was a dependency issue
[18:25] <cwillu> you need the image, headers-<arch> and headers-all
[18:25] <darthanubis> yeah
[18:26] <darthanubis> I did  not get the -all
[18:26] <cwillu> strictly speaking, you may not need the headers at all, but ya
[18:27] <billybigrigger> yofel
[18:27] <darthanubis> don't I need those for nvidia module to be built?
[18:27] <cwillu> yes
[18:27] <billybigrigger> double clicking the scrollbar in nautilus doesn't crash it for me, it just takes window focus away
[18:27] <cwillu> but strictly speaking, you don't need the nvidia module :p
[18:28] <darthanubis> ;)
[18:28] <billybigrigger> yofel::: upon closer inspection, yes it does crash :P
[18:31] <yofel> at least I'm not the only one then... not sure if I should be happy or sad about that ^^
[18:37]  * BUGabundo is back
[18:37] <BUGabundo> uau! backlog on this #
[18:37] <BUGabundo> there's something I've been missing!
[18:37]  * BUGabundo waves to everyone
[18:37] <thiebaude> lol
[18:37]  * cwillu starts retyping is pm'd rant :p
[18:37] <cwillu> s/is/his/
[18:39]  * BUGabundo slaps cwillu with a hand like stick
[18:40] <yofel> BUGabundo: a good start would be to reproduce bug 380929 :P
[18:48] <douglasawh1> I was asked to pop in here and tell you the problems I've been having. with karmic. it seems they are mostly related to two things
[18:48] <douglasawh1> 1) Adobe AIR (specificall twhirl) 2) sound (last.fm and browsers fighting)
[18:48] <d1b> douglasawh1: pulse audio?
[18:49] <BUGabundo> hey daw
[18:49] <douglasawh1> I'm guessing, I just booting back into Jaunty....let me see if I can get some log files from that partition
[18:49] <BUGabundo> douglasawh1: ip from MSDN ?? lol
[18:49] <billybigrigger> yofel::: how do i give a trace of my crashing nautilus?
[18:50] <billybigrigger> yofel::: cause aport isn't launching when nautlius crashes...
[18:50] <yofel> billybigrigger: here apport launches every time - are you sure it's enabled?
[18:50] <douglasawh1> no, MDSN
[18:51] <douglasawh1> MaDiSoN
[18:51] <BUGabundo> doh
[18:51] <douglasawh1> our airport code is MSN, which is interesting
[18:51] <BUGabundo> eheheh
[18:51] <douglasawh1> KMSN internationally, of course
[18:51]  * BUGabundo bets MSFT was involved
[18:52] <douglasawh1> Last.fm in Jaunty anyway defaults to ALSA...actually, that appears to be the only option
[18:53] <billybigrigger> yofel::: ill check, but i don't ever remember "disabling" it
[18:53] <douglasawh1> I can't say I'm that informed about the pulse vs. ALSA stuff...I know there is some layering going on
[18:53] <billybigrigger> i thought aport ran all the time
[18:53] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: no. its disabled
[18:53] <BUGabundo> and an user can blacklist some apps
[18:53] <billybigrigger> its checked in my services
[18:53] <billybigrigger> automated crash reports support (aport) is checked
[18:55] <BUGabundo> I just fire it manually
[18:55] <billybigrigger> i just did
[18:55] <billybigrigger> still not work
[18:55] <billybigrigger> s/work/working
[18:56] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: $ apport-cli -fp PACKAGE ?
[18:59] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: ok, its collecting information
[18:59] <BUGabundo> ehe
[18:59] <billybigrigger> hmm
[18:59] <billybigrigger> what all does it collect?
[19:00] <BUGabundo> no
[19:00] <billybigrigger> hmm, looking at it doesnt look so helpful
[19:00] <BUGabundo> should offer to send
[19:00] <billybigrigger> just lists arch and dependancies
[19:00] <billybigrigger> ya it offered
[19:01] <billybigrigger> i saved it and copied the txt my my ~/ for viewing
[19:01] <douglasawh1> this thread seems to suggest it should work with pulse. I've got 1.5 on Jaunty and I'm using the repo, so it wouldn't be older in karmic http://www.last.fm/forum/34905/_/369491
[19:01] <douglasawh1> not being limited to 140 char is so nice
[19:01] <BUGabundo> ahahhahahahhahahahah
[19:03] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: whats so funny? are you laughin at me?
[19:03] <douglasawh1> billybigrigger: I think he is laughing at my comment
[19:03] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: at douglasawh1.
[19:03] <darthanubis> well, the "bug" remains
[19:03] <BUGabundo> or better at douglasawh1 comment
[19:03] <darthanubis> looks like I will need 8.10's kernel .config after all?
[19:04] <BUGabundo> darthanubis: no idea
[19:04] <douglasawh1> going to go watch some baseball...be back later
[19:04] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: that's all apport does! collects stuff to file or add to a bug
[19:04] <BUGabundo> douglasawh1: feel at home!
[19:04] <BUGabundo> home you join us on +1 soon again
[19:04] <darthanubis> I need a 64bit .config from ubuntu 8.10 stock
[19:05] <BUGabundo> darthanubis: boot a 8.10 on qemu ?
[19:06] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: yeah i know
[19:07] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: but the information its collecting for my crashing nautilus is nothing interesting
[19:07] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: just lists the kernel version, arch, and dependancies
[19:07] <BUGabundo> that's what most devs want
[19:07] <darthanubis> BUGabundo, looks liek that is the plan
[19:07] <darthanubis> like
[19:07]  * BUGabundo dislikes all the :::::::::::::::: billybigrigger is throwing
[19:08] <billybigrigger> ok well take a look at it
[19:08] <billybigrigger> it doesn't seem that helpful
[19:09] <billybigrigger> now where in the report does it give any useful crash information
[19:09] <billybigrigger> in fact no where in the txt it spit out does it even say nautilus crashed!
[19:09] <billybigrigger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/380929
[19:09] <billybigrigger> my .txt is at the bottom
[19:11] <billybigrigger> so don't throw me your attitude, im just trying to help the greater cause
[19:11] <billybigrigger> can i buy you a beer or something ffs?
[19:12] <billybigrigger> k im waiting for a smart ass response....so where is it? are you swallowing your tounge now?
[19:17] <cwillu> !info nautilus
[19:21] <cwillu> billybigrigger, are there any files in /var/crash right now?
[19:22] <BUGabundo1> back
[19:23] <billybigrigger> 0
[19:24] <cwillu> /etc/apport/blacklist.d/?
[19:25] <billybigrigger> billybigrigger@cabo:/etc/apport/blacklist.d$ ls
[19:25] <billybigrigger> apport  README.blacklist
[19:25] <cwillu> pastebin apport
[19:25] <billybigrigger> /usr/bin/wine-preloader
[19:25] <billybigrigger> thats it
[19:25] <cwillu> what about ~/.apport-ignore.xml?
[19:26] <cwillu> ooo, and /etc/default/apport
[19:26] <billybigrigger> nothing in ~/
[19:27] <billybigrigger> ahhh
[19:27] <billybigrigger> bingo
[19:27] <billybigrigger> /etc/default/apport
[19:27] <billybigrigger> enabled=0
[19:27] <billybigrigger> :P
[19:27] <cwillu> (noting that the .apport-ignore.xml won't show up by default unless you do ls -a)
[19:27] <billybigrigger> i did ls -la
[19:27] <billybigrigger> nothing
[19:27] <billybigrigger> trust me
[19:27] <cwillu> first principle of bug tracing:  don't trust anything :p
[19:28] <billybigrigger> hehe ok fair enough
[19:28] <Sarvatt> i actually had nautilus crash X 3 times today on my amd64 laptop after not using it for a month or two, will have to dig into it next time it happens. was testing nouveau KMS/gallium out and crashing left and right anyway so I didnt give it a second thought :D
[19:28] <cwillu> but ya, that default file should have a command line to launch it a single time
[19:28] <billybigrigger> ya sudo force-start=1 /etc/init.d/apport start
[19:28] <billybigrigger> s/force-start/force_start
[19:29] <billybigrigger> that /etc/default folder is confusing
[19:29]  * BUGabundo1 has an alias for ls
[19:29] <cwillu> it's read by the init files for most services and so forth
[19:29] <BUGabundo1> cwillu: that's the 2nd princ
[19:29] <billybigrigger> well grub menu entries are now in there too
[19:30] <BUGabundo1> the 1st is "they all lie"
[19:30] <billybigrigger> err G2 menu entries are all done in there now too
[19:30] <cwillu> "and so forth" :p
[19:31] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[19:32] <BUGabundo> what the heck is wrong with your finger today?!?!
[19:32]  * cwillu blinks
[19:33] <billybigrigger> k, now apport is working...is it normal to have to install a bunch of packages before it will report correctly?
[19:33] <cwillu> -dev packages, yes
[19:33] <billybigrigger> i had to apt-get install libgcc1 gcc-4.4-base libtext-wrapi18n-perl cpp-4.4 libcups2 tzdata libstdc++6 before it would collect/report anything
[19:34] <cwillu> otherwise you don't have the ability to put the symbols back in the stack trace
[19:34] <billybigrigger> hmm...seems there's already a fix released for my yofel's nautlius problem
[19:41] <BUGabundo> !eol
[19:44] <Sarvatt> got it to crash over remote x too
[19:45] <billybigrigger> nautilus?
[19:45] <Sarvatt> yeah
[20:22] <dupondje> Whap happend with sound in flash etc? :p
[20:23] <BUGabundo> no idea
[20:23] <BUGabundo> not working for me
[20:24] <dupondje> broken here also
[20:24] <BUGabundo> haven't found the time to debug it
[20:24] <dupondje> sound in VLC also
[20:24] <dupondje> :(
[20:24] <BUGabundo> vlc too
[20:24] <BUGabundo> care to file a bug on vlc?
[20:24] <BUGabundo> been meaning to nag dtchen on it, be he is never around when I need him
[20:25] <dupondje> well don't know if sound in VLC is broken same time as rest :p
[20:25] <dupondje> because I just installed vlc yesterday
[20:25] <dupondje> and couldn't get sound out of it :P
[20:26] <billybigrigger> sound in vlc can be fixed easily
[20:26] <billybigrigger> apt-get install vlc-plugins-pulse
[20:26] <billybigrigger> i had to do that after the upgrade to karmic
[20:27] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: I have that: no sound
[20:27] <billybigrigger> hmm
[20:28] <billybigrigger> did you change the audio output to pulse?
[20:28] <dupondje> here it worked :P
[20:28] <dupondje> prolly alsa broken ?
[20:28] <dupondje> flash uses alsa ?
[20:29] <billybigrigger> i think flash uses pulse, don't quote me
[20:29] <BUGabundo> dupondje: should be able to use PA
[20:29]  * BUGabundo dinner
[20:29] <dupondje> 'should' & does
[20:29] <dupondje> its a big difference ;)
[20:32] <tgpraveen> to all karmic users does karmic have the latest pulseaudio
[20:32] <cwillu> flash uses pulse via an alsa wrapper
[20:32] <tgpraveen> which is present in fedora 11
[20:33] <cwillu> doesn't use it directly
[20:33] <tgpraveen> and the new volume control
[20:33] <cwillu> !info pulseaudio
[20:33] <tgpraveen> which allows per app volume control
[20:33] <tgpraveen> ?
[20:37] <billybigrigger> !info flashplugin
[20:37] <billybigrigger> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[20:41] <tgpraveen> !pavucontrol
[20:41] <tgpraveen> !pavau
[20:55] <BUGabundo> !info pavucontrol | tg
[20:55] <BUGabundo> humm he went out
[20:59] <BUGabundo> anyone here with a fresh vm of karmic?
[20:59] <BUGabundo> need to confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/386991
[21:00] <lupine_86> Anyone else having trouble with wireless and karmic?
[21:00] <lupine_86> My (WPA-PSK) network stopped working about an hour ago
[21:01] <BUGabundo> lupine_86: what card?
[21:01] <BUGabundo> my intel 4965 works fine
[21:01] <BUGabundo> connected right now
[21:01] <lupine_86> 07:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[21:01]  * BUGabundo checks for updates
[21:01] <BUGabundo> ahh those
[21:01] <lupine_86> it seems to get entirely connected, link-layer, but the encryption bums out
[21:02] <lupine_86> mind you, NM seems averse to giving logs
[21:03] <lupine_86> tcpdump shows traffic is happening, not that I can decode it further than that
[21:04] <BUGabundo> lupine_86: ask asac on #ubuntu-mozillateam and have the debug logs from the NM wiki page ready
[21:05] <DanaG> NetworkManager --help
[21:05] <DanaG> You must be root to run NetworkManager!
[21:05] <DanaG> HAH!
[21:05] <DanaG> you can run networkmanager in console: killall NetworkManager, and then: sudo NetworkManager --no-daemon
[21:06] <BUGabundo> lupine_86: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingNetworkManager
[21:06] <lupine_86> aha, logs - that's what I like to see :)
[21:07] <lupine_86> NetworkManager: <info>  wlan0: link timed out.
[21:07] <lupine_86> NetworkManager: nm_setting_802_1x_get_pkcs11_engine_path: assertion `NM_IS_SETTING_802_1X (setting)' failed
[21:07] <lupine_86> NetworkManager: nm_setting_802_1x_get_pkcs11_module_path: assertion `NM_IS_SETTING_802_1X (setting)' failed
[21:08] <lupine_86> hmm
[21:08] <BUGabundo> lupine_86: ask asac on #ubuntu-mozillateam and have the debug logs from the NM wiki page ready
[21:09] <Machtin> my clock keeps getting the wrong time o.O
[21:09] <Machtin> third time i notice today.. about half an hour every time
[21:10] <DanaG> lupine_86: alsao try googling that bit: NM_IS_SETTING_802_1X failed
[21:10] <BUGabundo> Machtin: bad/low cmos battery or really bad NTP server clock
[21:10] <BUGabundo> Machtin: OTOH .. where are you from ?
[21:11] <Machtin> germany
[21:11] <BUGabundo> if it is exacly 30 min it could be a bug on tzdata
[21:11] <BUGabundo> no, germany is not 30 min out of timezone, not that
[21:11] <BUGabundo> check the other 2 please
[21:11] <Machtin> thought about that the first time.. since it were about 1800s exactly (haha.. about exactly)
[21:11] <BUGabundo> ahaahahahaha
[21:11] <Machtin> i doubt the first, since i didn't turn off the machine
[21:12] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:12] <BUGabundo> 2nd then
[21:12] <Machtin> and a simple "sudo ntpdate" doesn't work.. but ntpdate -u $someserverfromhere doesn't
[21:12] <Machtin> ..does.
[21:12] <DanaG> ah, ntpdate-debian
[21:12] <BUGabundo> yeah the debian one
[21:12] <DanaG> that'll pass the server to it for you.
[21:13] <BUGabundo> that's stupid and not obvous
[21:13] <Machtin> oh
[21:13]  * BUGabundo is to tired to file a wishbug on that
[21:13] <Machtin> didn't guess that.
[21:13] <BUGabundo> $ sudo ntpdate-debian -v
[21:13] <BUGabundo> 14 Jun 21:13:41 ntpdate[20761]: ntpdate<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Tue May 19 20:36:47 UTC 2009 (1)
[21:13] <BUGabundo> 14 Jun 21:13:39 ntpdate[20761]: step time server <IP_ADDRESS> offset -3.685733 sec
[21:14] <BUGabundo> humm mine isn't that good either
[21:14] <Machtin> however.. the system-clock is off time without me doing anything :o
[21:14]  * BUGabundo checks another server
[21:14] <SwedeMike> you want to run ntp as well
[21:14] <SwedeMike> so you can run ntpdc and check the ntp servers compared to your own clock
[21:15] <Machtin> *install*
[21:15] <Machtin> uhm, where to put the ntp-server-adress i want to use?
[21:16] <SwedeMike> there is a conf file
[21:16]  * BUGabundo checks
[21:16] <BUGabundo>  /etc/ntp I think
[21:16] <Machtin> /etc/default/ntpdate ?
[21:17] <lupine_86> ah, plenty of dups
[21:17] <BUGabundo>  /etc/ntp.conf
[21:17] <Machtin> kk
[21:18] <BUGabundo> lupine_86: yeah! I told you it was one of _those_
[21:19] <Machtin> well well, thanks.. i'll check if that error returns
[21:20] <DanaG> random thoughts on the update-manager thing: if the issue was the icon being non-obvious, they should've just fixed the damn icon.  =þ
[21:20] <lupine_86> funfun
[21:20] <DanaG> And make it so the bubble telling you to click the icon, had a large picture of THAT icon.... and said to click the matching icon in the tray.
[21:31] <BUGabundo> need found a new bug
[21:31] <BUGabundo> open synaptic and try to run UM
[21:31] <BUGabundo> it won't complain of DB lock, but stays there for ever
[21:31] <BUGabundo> can anyone confirm?
[21:35] <Machtin> 14 Jun 22:34:40 ntpdate[23186]: step time server <IP_ADDRESS> offset 234.362575 sec <- *sigh*
[21:35] <Machtin> BUGabundo: let me check
[21:36] <billybigrigger> run update-manager? as it alt-f2 update-manager?
[21:37] <Machtin> BUGabundo: complains for me
[21:37] <billybigrigger> while having synaptic open?
[21:37] <Machtin> There is another synaptic running in interactive mode. Please close it first. <-
[21:37] <billybigrigger> i opened synaptic, then hit alt-f2, ran update-manager, no problems...am i missing something?
[21:39] <Machtin> opened both via console with sudo
[21:47] <BUGabundo> Machtin: I get no such alert
[21:47] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: did you check UP for updates and installed them?
[21:47] <billybigrigger> no
[21:47] <billybigrigger> i see the updates
[21:47] <billybigrigger> i just didn't install them yet
[21:48] <Machtin> BUGabundo: hm, k :/ might be a bug which depends on some other things as well
[21:54] <Machtin> *sigh*
[21:54] <Machtin> and the clock's offset again is 4min.
[21:54] <BUGabundo> that can't be!
[21:55] <BUGabundo> that's too much
[21:55] <Machtin> i agree.
[21:55] <BUGabundo> something wrong with your CPU
[21:55] <BUGabundo> or what ever makes it tick
[21:55] <BUGabundo> could be kernel bug, but I dought right now
[21:56] <Machtin> i guess it must be software-related
[21:56] <BUGabundo> why?
[21:56] <BUGabundo> I would be on HW, at this point
[21:56] <cwillu> Machtin, ntp won't skew the clock more than a few milliseconds at a time
[21:57] <cwillu> Machtin, if you give it a week or so, it'll very gradually sync back up (which is by design), or you can force the issue I believe, assuming that I have any idea at all what you're talking about :p
[21:57] <Machtin> BUGabundo: cause i don't want my hardware to be broken ;)
[21:57] <Machtin> nah, dunno.. just feels wrong, since it worked all the time
[21:57] <Machtin> and the HW is rather new
[21:58] <Machtin> cwillu: i updated the clock via ntpdate-debian.. it was correct again
[21:59] <BUGabundo> cwillu: if it is lower then 1h it will fix
[21:59] <BUGabundo> if it is more you need Force
[22:00] <Machtin> however, it can't be the ntp.. it should not unsync so quickly..
[22:00] <Machtin> (that's why i understand why you think it's hardware)
[22:02] <cwillu> Machtin, well, pc hardware isn't exactly the greatest at keeping time
[22:02] <cwillu> Machtin, how long does it take to go out by a minute or two?
[22:02] <BUGabundo> Machtin: billybigrigger: never mind me!! the alert from UM was in the background
[22:02] <Machtin> cwillu: a couple of minutes.. and that is way too short :D
[22:02] <Machtin> ah, ok
[22:03] <lupine_86> yay, dropping back to the bare metal fixed it
[22:04] <cwillu> Machtin, this isn't a vm is it?
[22:04] <Machtin> nope
[22:04] <BUGabundo> lupine_86: ?
[22:05] <lupine_86> wpa_supplicantworks a treat
[22:05] <Machtin> *sigh*
[22:06] <Machtin> well.. i'll leave it and hope it'll be fixed by tomorrow
[22:06] <cwillu> Machtin, well, you could just turn on the full ntpdaemon, which should pretty much make the whole issue go away
[22:06] <FFForever> what is the name of the compiz fusion control panel (to edit all of the features and what naught)
[22:07] <cwillu> ccsm or something like that
[22:07] <cwillu> simple-compiz-settings-manager
[22:07] <Machtin> well.. i don't know if it's a ntp-issue.. i think ntp is there to check, whether the time is synched.. but the clock itself ticks too slow or something
[22:07] <FFForever> is there a package for it?
[22:07] <cwillu> !info simple-ccsm
[22:08] <Machtin> hm.. okay, i just switched on seconds.
[22:08] <BUGabundo> cwillu: humm
[22:08] <Machtin> 10 seconds take about 14 seconds
[22:08] <BUGabundo> !compizconfig-settings-manager
[22:08] <BUGabundo> !compiz-config-settingsmanager
[22:09] <Machtin> i mean: i need 14 real seconds to get 10 seconds on my computer
[22:09] <BUGabundo> !info compizconfig-settings-manager
[22:09] <BUGabundo> FFForever: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[22:40] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox-ose/+bug/347487
[22:56] <Machtin> well.. night guys
[22:57] <BUGabundo> Machtin: night
[22:58] <billybigrigger> darthanubis::: must be an -ose only thing
[22:58] <billybigrigger> darthanubis::: i just installed vbox with a brand new 9.04 server install, everythings working fine here
[22:58] <darthanubis> it is not
[22:59] <BUGabundo> !info youtube-dl
[22:59] <darthanubis> what chip?
[22:59] <billybigrigger> im on 64bit
[22:59] <darthanubis> because I'm using the commercial vbox
[22:59] <darthanubis> I wonder if it is a BIOS setting?
[22:59] <BUGabundo> darthanubis: do you need it ?
[22:59] <billybigrigger> commercial ose?
[23:00] <darthanubis> What chip are you using?
[23:00] <darthanubis> no ose at all
[23:00] <billybigrigger> well your bug is towards ose
[23:00] <darthanubis> I know
[23:00] <darthanubis> but naturally I've tried the other iterations of vbox
[23:01] <darthanubis> it is odd that others don't have the issue
[23:01] <darthanubis> so I wonder if it is my BIOS
[23:01] <billybigrigger> plain old vbox is working great for me, http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/2.2.4/virtualbox-2.2_2.2.4-47978_Ubuntu_jaunty_amd64.deb
[23:01] <darthanubis> nobody in the bug report detailed there hardware
[23:01] <billybigrigger> i just installed it today, and 0 problems
[23:01] <billybigrigger> amd x2 7750
[23:01] <billybigrigger> 64bit
[23:01] <darthanubis> maybe it is an intel bug?
[23:02] <billybigrigger> what commercial package are you referring to anyway?
[23:02] <darthanubis> the one your using
[23:02] <billybigrigger> well its not a commercial package
[23:02] <darthanubis> it is there NON free version
[23:02] <darthanubis> I call that commercial
[23:02] <billybigrigger> they're both free
[23:02] <darthanubis> whatever
[23:03] <billybigrigger> one is closed, and other open source
[23:03] <darthanubis> ok closed
[23:03] <billybigrigger> hehe
[23:05] <darthanubis> os[Linux 2.6.30-020630-generic x86_64] distro[Ubuntu "jaunty" 9.04] cpu[2 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU         E8400  @ 3.00GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 2.00GHz] mem[Physical: 7.7GB, 80.7% free] disk[Total: 628.9GB, 50.3% free] video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 9500 GT] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia]
[23:05] <darthanubis> I need someone with those specs to test this bug for me?
[23:06] <billybigrigger> most of those users look like they're running .28-11 kernel
[23:06] <billybigrigger> Linux cabo 2.6.30-8-generic #9-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 3 15:38:38 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[23:06] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: why do you use the one from the site and not the archive?
[23:06] <billybigrigger> it runs great here
[23:07] <darthanubis> billybigrigger, where you get that kernel from?
[23:07] <billybigrigger> cause i was blind, and didn't see suns vbox, i just saw ose
[23:07] <billybigrigger> updates
[23:07] <billybigrigger> i imagine
[23:07] <darthanubis> and can you pastebin your cp /boot/config-`uname -r`
[23:08] <billybigrigger> http://pastebin.com/f733032b7
[23:09] <darthanubis> thx man
[23:09] <billybigrigger> np
[23:09] <darthanubis> doing alot of testing here
[23:09] <darthanubis> this bug is driving me mad
[23:09]  * BUGabundo starts to think this is human error
[23:12] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: ping
[23:13] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: care to file a packaging bug for youtube-dl
[23:13] <BUGabundo> !info youtube-dl
[23:13] <BUGabundo> http://bitbucket.org/rg3/youtube-dl/wiki/Home
[23:13] <BUGabundo> 2009.05.30
[23:13] <BUGabundo> its more then an year old
[23:13] <Twigathy> hm, has anyone else noticed gwibber failing at life recently? Seemd to have stopped doing anything but give me a nice big blue/black stripey background...
[23:13] <darthanubis> BUGabundo, share your speculation, maybe it will help in some way?
[23:14] <darthanubis> The only point of "error" would hav eto be BIOS settings
[23:14] <darthanubis> I use the same kernel and hardware as most
[23:14] <darthanubis> everythign is constant
[23:14] <Sarvatt> darthanubis: have you looked at the virtualbox forums to see if its a common problem or anything? its probably something like new hardware virtualization stuff (like nested paging) got turned on by default that isnt quite stable in the latest release from the history i've had with them breaking everything every 2 months :D
[23:15] <billybigrigger> darthanubis::: #vbox might be of some help too
[23:15] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: use clieve ;)
[23:15] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: gwibber trunk here OKAY
[23:15] <BUGabundo> !info clieve
[23:15] <darthanubis> billybigrigger, they don't respond
[23:15] <Sarvatt> would be *alot* more likely to find something on there, almost always huge threads after every release on how to fix the broken stuff :D
[23:15] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: humm care to enlight me ?
[23:15] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: damn. >_< time to debug whatever user error i've got...
[23:15] <darthanubis> I went from a E6600 to a e8400
[23:15] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: it's an app similar to youtube-dl ;)
[23:16] <darthanubis> The e6600 with 8.10 was no issue
[23:16] <BUGabundo> darthanubis: so is the USER... its always the same
[23:16] <darthanubis> your not making your case
[23:16] <darthanubis> what can i do to error the app?
[23:16] <darthanubis> enable VT press start, lock
[23:16] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: sudo apt-get dep gwibber
[23:17] <darthanubis> not the first time I've used vbox
[23:17] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: alias gwibberbzr='cd /tmp/;bzr branch lp:gwibber;cd gwibber; sudo python setup.py install'
[23:17] <BUGabundo> darthanubis: just trying to show another POV
[23:17] <darthanubis> I understand
[23:17] <darthanubis> but that POV has to follow logic
[23:18] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: ah, thanks. I'll give that a go...
[23:18] <BUGabundo> darthanubis: since when does compiting have any logic, out side the CPU?
[23:18] <BUGabundo> its all fuzy logic here
[23:19] <BluesKaj> no wonder this chat looks blurry
[23:19] <BUGabundo> haahahahahahahhah BluesKaj
[23:21] <BUGabundo> err so many ppas with youtube-dl and none updated
[23:21] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: what's that app again?
[23:21] <BUGabundo> hey RAOF. long time no see
[23:22] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: clive
[23:22] <RAOF> Howdie.
[23:23] <BUGabundo> After this operation, 11.1MB of additional disk space will be used.
[23:24] <Sarvatt> have you tried disabling VT darthanubis? or played with those settings at all?
[23:25] <BUGabundo> can anyone confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/386991 ?
[23:25] <Sarvatt> ahh i should look before i respond, dont have part messages on :)
[23:25] <BUGabundo> someone with a fresh install of karmic?
[23:27] <Sarvatt> that actually happened to me on intrepid and it's stuck with me since.. if my system dropdown items didnt just magically disappear i could be sure its still there at least
[23:28] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: is that for me ?
[23:28]  * Sarvatt nods.
[23:29] <Sarvatt> sorry it wasnt the answer you're looking for but it's been around for awhile at least somehow :D
[23:29] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: you don't preface replies with nick, so they get lost, and I don't get pinged ...
[23:29] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: so in some cases it gets stuck! ok
[23:30] <Sarvatt> what is this, #ubuntu? :D
[23:41] <darthanubis> billybigrigger, and just checking but you use the VT option in VBOX?
[23:41] <billybigrigger> don't know
[23:41] <darthanubis> well before you say zero issues concerning a particular bug, you might want to check to make sure you don't have that issue first?
[23:42] <billybigrigger> i launch vbox from the menu
[23:42] <darthanubis> your two post s on the bug report don't help
[23:42] <darthanubis> because you did not make sure you tested what the issue involved?
[23:46] <billybigrigger> ya well i don't know what to tell you
[23:46] <billybigrigger> you guys are running the jaunty kernel
[23:46] <billybigrigger> did you ever thing its a kernel bug?
[23:48] <darthanubis> lol
[23:49] <darthanubis> of course
[23:49] <BUGabundo> run mainline  ! LOL
[23:49] <darthanubis> could you at least post on the bug report that you did not even test vbox against the bug?
[23:49] <darthanubis> I am running mainline
[23:49] <darthanubis> and whats lol about running mainline?
[23:49] <billybigrigger> man
[23:50] <billybigrigger> i think your bug is totally irrelevant to that bug
[23:50] <Sarvatt> are you absolutely sure you dont have KVM or lguest modules loaded darthanubis...? you cant use multiple different hardware virtualization things at the same time
[23:50] <billybigrigger> thats for the -OSE version for 1, and 2 running a .28-11 kernel
[23:50] <billybigrigger> file a new bloody bug
[23:50] <darthanubis> Sarvatt, I read that , so I knew not to do that
[23:50] <darthanubis> billybigrigger, you don't want numerous "blood" dupilcates floating arounf
[23:50] <darthanubis> around
[23:51] <billybigrigger> are you effing me
[23:51] <billybigrigger> its a different packge
[23:51] <darthanubis> I already typed that ANY vbox install has the same affect will mulitple kernels
[23:51] <darthanubis> is there something lost in translation?
[23:52] <billybigrigger> thats the first time i've seen you say that
[23:52] <darthanubis> xchat has scrollback
[23:53] <billybigrigger> hehe you can get bent if you think im scrolling back to find your text
[23:53] <darthanubis> and you can get stuffed if your to incompetent to clean up the mess you made in the bug report
[23:53] <darthanubis> oh
[23:54] <darthanubis> hehe
[23:54]  * darthanubis snark off
[23:54] <darthanubis> too


[05:27] <akshay> Hello.. Is it possible to shutdown the linux system from a kernel IRQ.?
[09:39] <csurbhi> hello smb :)
[09:39] <csurbhi> is the default option for ext4 fs ordered ?
[09:40]  * apw suspects he'll ask you
[09:40]  * csurbhi looks
[09:41] <smb> csurbhi, it was
[09:41] <smb> but when they added an option, it defaulted to writeback
[09:41] <smb> thats how we got it
[09:41] <csurbhi> but should it not be ordered again ?
[09:41] <apw> smb that is ext3 right?
[09:43] <cking> perhaps we need a per-release table of fs default mount options written up somewhere
[09:43] <smb> apw, yes
[09:43]  * csurbhi is cursing the slow laptop
[09:43] <smb> csurbhi, exactly
[09:43] <csurbhi> ok, i will make one
[09:43] <smb> cking, The problem was it slipped in
[09:43] <apw> there are two questions, should we change the default back for ext3, and is ext4 affected
[09:43] <apw> i assume 1) is yes, and 2) is don't know
[09:43] <csurbhi> yes, i think ext4 is affected as well
[09:43] <smb> As the default without having an option was ordered and the default with the option was writeback
[09:43] <smb> ext4 has no option as far as I can tell
[09:44] <smb> but I might be mistaken
[09:45]  * csurbhi thinks, ext4 has options of ordered, journal, writeback and now guarded too
[09:45]  * maco agrees with csurbhi
[09:45] <apw> yeah they are mount options though right, which is the default if you don't say
[09:47] <csurbhi> i think that the default mount option is writeback
[09:47] <csurbhi> and it ought to be ordered
[09:47] <smb> You always can tweak them on or after creation as well. I just did not find one compile option as clearly related to that than for ext3
[09:47] <csurbhi> yes, there does not seem to be any compile time option
[09:48] <smb> Probably for ext4 we should think about which mode is best for us, after figuring out the exact implications
[09:48] <apw> cking, yeah thats not a bad idea
[09:49] <csurbhi> ok
[09:49] <apw> csurbhi, ok this machibne is a standard install.  i took no action
[09:49] <apw> /dev/disk/by-uuid/5fdffa9d-a806-4009-930a-bf637c8f5cfa / ext4 rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0
[09:49] <apw> it seems to be in ordered mode
[09:49] <csurbhi> ok
[09:50] <cking> apw, and perhaps any known bugs against these fs defaults too
[09:50] <smb> At least that is (between ordered and writeback) the mode that sounded less quick but safer
[09:50] <csurbhi> apw, thanks !
[09:52] <apw> and i note there are no options in my fstab
[09:52] <apw> UUID=5fdffa9d-a806-4009-930a-bf637c8f5cfa /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
[09:52] <smb> same here
[09:52] <apw> so ... i assume the default is ordered in _lucid_
[09:52] <smb> in Karmic
[09:52] <apw> anyone got a karmic install they can confirm
[09:52] <apw> wicked
[09:53] <smb> So ext4 looks ok (though might get checked whether the other two look more appealing)
[09:53] <apw> smb, sounds liek a job for super-csurbhi to me
[09:54] <smb> Sounds good to me. :)
[09:54] <cking> perhaps we need to keep an eye on the default mount options over the lucid alpha/beta cycles too
[09:54] <csurbhi> i think ordered with barrier=1 is the best
[09:54] <csurbhi> or safest
[09:55] <smb> csurbhi, So if you can get us a dummy-style wrapup of the pros and cons of those to the kernel team list? ;-)
[09:55] <csurbhi> smb, sure i will do that today :)
[09:55] <cking> cool
[10:01] <csurbhi> smb, so few questions ..need your help !
[10:01] <smb> No problem
[10:02] <csurbhi> can you please tell me the tasks that are involved in taking a lead on a stable kernel ?
[10:02] <smb> So have you cloned the upstream repo
[10:02] <csurbhi> not yet
[10:02] <smb> I guess that would go first
[10:02] <csurbhi> ok
[10:03] <smb> We got up to <IP_ADDRESS> in the ubuntu Karmic tree
[10:03] <smb> If unsure you would see that by the subversion number in the makefile
[10:03] <csurbhi> ok
[10:04] <smb> So basically you look at the changes between <IP_ADDRESS> and 10 and then at those between 10 and 11 (which is easy as its only one patch)
[10:04]  * csurbhi is cloning the tree
[10:04] <csurbhi> ok
[10:05] <smb> When you look up the mails Leann wrote, you can see there is one bug report related to each update from stable
[10:05] <smb> You can take the things she wrote in the mail and the bug report as a reference
[10:05] <csurbhi> ok
[10:07] <csurbhi> and then ?
[10:09] <smb> You do a review as you did with the ext4 patches and then send an email like Leann which announces the update and all (including your review notes)
[10:10] <smb> At the same time have the patches applied to a Karmic branch of yours and push that to your repos for review
[10:11] <csurbhi> ok
[10:11] <smb> During that process you might find some patches already applied. There it depends on whether we got that through a security update or a sru/before release. In the case of a security release you drop the upstream stable patch
[10:12] <smb> otherwise you revert the one we carry and apply the new one. But I think you just ask again when that happens
[10:13] <csurbhi> yes, i will do that.. so basically the patch should mention whether its come from a SRU or security ?
[10:15] <smb> Its part of the process to find out. When we apply it to a tree it usually has a CVE number in the description. But you also can look into the changelog to see whether the patch was part of *-proposed or *-security updates
[10:15] <csurbhi> ok, thanks :)
[10:15] <csurbhi> one more question, last time i got the patches directly from your dir..
[10:16] <csurbhi> are the patches stored in somewhere ?
[10:18] <smb> That is what you download from the 2.6.31.y repo. I usually export the range from there and apply them to a working tree in Karmic for myself. Or you have it as a remote and cherry pick them. But the source is always the upstream repo
[10:19] <csurbhi> so you get the patches out of the kernel
[10:19] <csurbhi> ok
[10:21] <gnarl> csurbhi, If you look at the 2.6.31.y tree. That is an upstream tree which has been branched of 2.6.31 and then gets the stable patches applied.
[10:21] <csurbhi> ok
[10:22] <gnarl> So you can easily get a range of patches that are new
[10:22] <gnarl> There are tags on that tree for every release
[10:22] <gnarl> so a "git log v<IP_ADDRESS>..v<IP_ADDRESS>" works
[10:24] <csurbhi> ok
[10:27]  * csurbhi thanks gnarl profusely :)
[10:27] <gnarl> csurbhi, Don't worry too much about the later steps. You can get back about them when you are there. The first thing is to have the upstream tree, extract the patches that come as new ones and look over them making your notes.
[10:27] <csurbhi> ok
[15:01] <apw> smb, you know that fix you did way back when for the mmc exploding on suspend/resume
[15:01] <apw> did anything come of that?
[15:02] <smb> apw, Nothing. And it reminds me to try out latest Lucid to see whether it can still erase on resume
[15:02] <apw> smb could this be the fix for it?
[15:02] <apw> commit 5fa83ce284a4b7cd9dcfadd01500b0ed4ab9b740
[15:02] <apw> Author: Adrian Hunter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:02] <apw> Date:   Fri Jan 8 14:43:00 2010 -0800
[15:02] <apw>     mmc_block: fix queue cleanup
[15:03] <apw> this sounds a bit like a fix for what you were seeing to me
[15:03] <smb> apw, Lemme look at that
[15:06] <smb> apw, Yeah, it looks pretty similar to what I remember.
[15:06] <smb> Both the description and the patch
[15:07] <apw> smb, so should i be dropping yours in favour of that?  its coming in via stable for 32
[15:08] <smb> apw, I guess yes. It likely should not apply with mine on. Right?
[15:08] <apw> it seems to collide only on the comments amazingly but feels like a bad idea to fix it
[15:09] <apw> ok will try dropping yours and applying this one
[15:09] <smb> apw, Yeah. Interesting. But yes, drop mine and I test with that kernel
[15:10] <apw> obviously a more successful approach :(
[15:13] <smb> apw, As long as the problem is fixed I don't care. But I obviously must remember that one can sneak into any place through mm :)
[15:15] <apw> heh yeah ... a side road round a road-block and no mistake
[16:51] <apw> smb, we doing the review today?
[16:51] <smb> apw, yup
[16:55] <apw> bah
[18:00] <ivoks> apw: ping
[18:00] <ivoks> apw: bug 474660
[18:00] <ubot3> Malone bug 474660 in linux "drbd8-utils not dependent on drbd8-source" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/474660
[18:00] <ivoks> apw: that's actually bug in karmic


[08:15] <aparcar[m]> Hi, I'd like to "port" cloud-init to OpenWrt. Is there a porting guide or recommendations where to start?
[16:41] <holmanb> aparcer: I don't know of any porting guides. It looks like openwrt uses a different init system (procd). I'd recommend looking into cloud-init's systemd implementation to figure out how that would work on procd. Also you'll need to tinker with the distro-specific modules I suspect. If you can reuse a base class that would be ideal, but I dont know enough about openwrt to know if that's realistic.
[17:41] <falcojr> aparcar[m]: my initial thought is that cloud-init probably isn't a great fit for small embedded devices due to the python dependency. In addition to the init system that holmanb mentioned (compare the systemd to the sysvinit directories for help there), you'd probably also want to create a new data source based on
[17:41] <falcojr> bah...didn't mean to hit enter there...
[17:43] <falcojr> but the more I think about it the more I'm curious your use case because cloud-init does a number of things (like setting up networking) that doesn't really seem appropriate on openwrt
[23:51] <aparcar[m]> Well OpenWrt uses network too. Ideally that’s setup via cloud-init as well as SSH right?


[01:43] <daftykins> haha just saw this on a live stream i'm watching - https://www.dropbox.com/s/318s9h8s4o3b2dw/wiffys.png?dl=0
[07:15] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[11:18] <diddledan> happy zombie jesus day
[15:06] <diddledan> some 80s nostalgia: https://archive.org/details/the_computer_programme_ep01
[15:07]  * penguin42 watched all those when I was young
[16:05] <diddledan> 17.04 installed! *reboobs*
[16:14] <diddledan> \o/
[16:15] <penguin42> reboobing is probably a mechanism I hadn't realised diddledan was into
[16:15] <diddledan> a fake breast made of tree would be silly.. wooden tit
[16:16] <penguin42> ouch
[17:16] <diddledan> I've decided my HTML editor of choice is gonna be Excel (or if not available, Libreoffice Calc)  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/3X8unyvf/
[17:29] <penguin42> ewww
[22:03] <TuX_> !list
[22:26] <penguin42> can't we just make that return a list of ubuntu iso streams
[22:28] <daftykins> would be a lot more sensible
[23:22] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ur1dwvs45peo1nf/IMG_20170416_161450.jpg?dl=0
[23:22] <daftykins> cruise ship season!
[23:53] <zmoylan-pi> is it ever not cruise ship season?
[23:55] <daftykins> yeah winter goes quiet :>
[23:56] <zmoylan-pi> i think we still get a few ships docking in dublin over winter...
[23:58] <daftykins> oh they can't dock here, not deep enough harbour