[03:25] <daftykins> m0nkey_: you should sample this one for us - http://www.kraftcanada.com/recipes/great-canadian-heinz-ketchup-cake-193998
[03:25] <m0nkey_> Already did
[03:25] <m0nkey_> It's actually pretty good
[03:27] <m0nkey_> Ugh, we all thought winter was over. Now we're in a middle of a snow storm
[03:27] <daftykins> o rly
[03:27] <m0nkey_> https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/weather/quebec/montreal
[03:29] <m0nkey_> My back yard was void of snow. Now I have 30cm.
[03:29] <daftykins> :>
[03:30] <m0nkey_> https://1drv.ms/i/s!AtwcTj6o_0Q-g6IeVuY7knnuwPCoEw
[03:30] <m0nkey_> Just took that photo
[03:35] <daftykins> needs a measuring stick :D
[03:36] <m0nkey_> That's about a good 30cm snow
[07:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[08:35] <SuperMatt> hoobledoop whoop everybody!
[08:36] <daftykins> weirdest bulb i ever bought https://www.dropbox.com/s/q2t6hnd1nhipkxl/IMG_20170315_082156.jpg?dl=0
[09:34] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:42] <SuperMatt> good morning mr brobostigon, good morning eeEEEVVVEErrybody
[09:42] <zmoylan-pi> mornin' mammals
[09:42] <brobostigon> orning SuperMatt and zmoylan-pi
[09:43] <davmor2> Morning all, I forgot you all I'm so sorry got caught up in this horrible work thing ;)
[10:01] <daftykins> davmor2: how dare you!
[10:10]  * zmoylan-pi puts on cd of annoying cubicle noises next to davmor2...noisy tea slurping, spoon clinking off cup, humming, tapping pencil, cutting nails while waiting for order for extra squeaky chair and desk fan to arrive :-P
[10:15] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Absolutely Incredible Kid Day! 😃
[10:16]  * zmoylan-pi gives all kids near JamesTait big bottle of full sugar coke, a big box of smarties and a puppy
[10:17] <JamesTait> And that's just breakfast.
[10:17] <zmoylan-pi> at 3am...
[10:17] <JamesTait> On Sunday.
[10:17] <zmoylan-pi> with youtube/nickleodeon on at volume 11
[10:18] <JamesTait> I think you missed a '1'.
[10:58] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC5ca6Hsb2Q
[11:00] <davmor2> JamesTait: I think that covers it right dream version of children :D
[11:05] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: your attempt at annoyance is a fail it just makes me think I have friends :P
[11:05] <davmor2> daftykins: I did say sorry I don't normally forget to say morning to everyone :)
[11:06] <davmor2> daftykins: and I noticed at least :)
[11:07]  * zmoylan-pi turns off cubicle noises and puts on k-tels 100 most annoying ear worm songs album... :-P
[11:09] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: wow my favourites \o/
[11:09]  * davmor2 sings along to blobby, mister blobby...
[11:13] <m0nkey_> I hope all you guys are having a wonderful spring so far. We've just had over 30cm snow dumped on us. Now I've got to go find the car.
[11:14] <zmoylan-pi> i was able to remove the top fleece blanket on bed so it is now officially spring for me... :-)
[11:15] <daftykins> crikey!
[11:16] <zmoylan-pi> but paddies day on friday so it might be a trap...
[11:16] <m0nkey_> I hate you all.
[11:16] <zmoylan-pi> always a little sleet and snow on paddies day... to freeze the scouts in shorts marching
[11:17] <davmor2> 26th is spring
[11:19] <zmoylan-pi> ireland is 1st of march... we expect less of our springs :-)
[11:21] <zmoylan-pi> as long as the water falling is only making us wet and not trying to strafe us with hypothermia...
[12:21] <bigcalm> o/
[12:33] <daftykins> \o
[12:34] <daftykins> well so far, dealing with Three seems to be streets ahead of O2...
[12:34] <zmoylan-pi> didn't 3 take over o2?
[12:37] <daftykins> i've read of some takeovers but i don't think that one fits
[12:38] <SuperMatt> afaik, o2 hasn't been taken over by anyone
[12:39] <daftykins> i think BT bought Three, Telefonica still owns O2
[12:39] <daftykins> Orange and T-Mobile became EE, that's about it?
[12:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: how do
[12:42] <davmor2> daftykins: no bt bought ee
[12:42] <daftykins> oh right
[12:44] <davmor2> three is hutchinson which was orange, o2 was bt but they sold it then realised there is no need for a land line any more and had better get back into mobile and bought ee and so the merry go round continues
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> i knew i wasn't imagining it... https://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jan/23/mobile-network-three-to-buy-o2
[12:45] <daftykins> my my
[12:46] <daftykins> well if that happens, the UK regulators are as bad as the US ones :>
[12:55] <davmor2> daftykins: why ee was allowed to happen that was the 2 biggest merging
[13:00] <daftykins> *shrug*
[13:00] <daftykins> got our own telcos down here :)
[13:01] <daftykins> ah there's another example of the Channel Islands being confused, B&Q website won't accept local postcodes "we don't deliver here" yet calling into store the items can be ordered in
[13:02] <daftykins> bloke was very careful not to answer me as to whether the price included or excluded VAT though...
[13:34] <zmoylan-pi> it really confuses head offices of firms who mostly operate on the mainland when they've got a location in a spot with just slightly different tax laws. they never remember to check their memos and directives are applicable
[13:35] <daftykins> even huge places just refuse to avoid the 'hassle'
[13:36] <daftykins> Adobe online subscriptions "pay up or give us a VAT number" (we don't have them, not how it works at all)
[13:36] <daftykins> Google: Block content and pages from our IPs
[13:37] <daftykins> Microsoft (store): flat out refusal
[13:37] <daftykins> :)
[13:37] <zmoylan-pi> is that a bad thing? :-P
[13:37] <daftykins> yep
[13:37] <daftykins> oh same with Lenovo too
[13:45] <zmoylan-pi> well google blocks ireland from some stuff too.  someone was recently complaining that they couldn't get a google pixel in ireland as he wasn't in uk. he was most annoyed as he was sitting in google hq in dublin at the time...
[15:50] <diplo> We have an internal web application that our customers use, it's currently http only and I want to recitfy that as Customers are getting "Connection is not secure" from FF / Chrome which is quite right.
[15:51] <diplo> What I don't understand is the best way to approach this, get a proper cert from a company and then create a a record of software.domain.tld and apply to the web app or just use Self Signed
[15:51] <diplo> I take it that is how I'd have to create an external SSL cert to get it to work correctly ? by creating a sub domain and then buy a cert for that
[15:51] <foobarry> use a legit cert with subject alternate name fields
[15:52] <diplo> Or using something like letsencrypt and automate it
[15:52] <foobarry> letsencrypt requires external access
[15:52] <diplo> You can get around that
[15:52] <diplo> officially
[15:52] <diplo> Running it manually
[15:52] <diplo> I'll google subject alternate name fields, really new to SSL
[15:53] <foobarry> it means the cert will be accepted as valid if your server is called barry-01 and barry.com
[15:55] <diplo> ah ok ta
[19:43] <foobarry> pretty pleased with the dashcam footage
[20:18] <ibrahim> jdasda
[20:38] <popey> foobarry: taken today, on a nice sunny day?
[21:15] <diddledan> ooh, that's a claws at dawn acquisition: gitLAB have bought gitter.im (which is primarily focused at being a chat for gitHUB)
[21:15] <diddledan> ref: http://blog.gitter.im/2017/03/15/gitter-gitlab-acquisition/
[22:10] <popey> wow
[22:10] <popey> *boggle*
[22:10] <popey> gitlab have mattermost i thought
[22:12] <ali1234> what is gitter?
[22:12] <ali1234> is it just another slack/discord clone?
[22:12] <ali1234> does it have git integration?
[22:53] <popey> it does
[23:10] <m0nkey_> http://yul.buzz/news-and-opinions/2017/03/15/10-of-the-most-fcked-up-photos-of-the-snow-storm-in-montreal/


[09:37] <rmg51> Morning
[11:28] <waltman> Morning?
[11:30] <rmg51> unfortunately
[11:30] <rmg51> that means I'm off to work :P
[11:30] <rmg51> bye
[12:10] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[13:01] <InHisName> moring
[15:34] <ChinnoDog> sup peeps


[19:22] <maxolasersquad> These USB-C headphones that come with the Pixel 3 are pretty nice.
[19:23] <maxolasersquad> They retail at $30 and are very decent for that price. Especially considering what a crap-show USB-C headphones are right now.


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[03:21] <esse2k> Hello, laptop touchscreen problem in 13.10, menu on top is not usable etc.. this problem was not on the last version, anyone know of it?
[03:28] <esse2k1> Hello, laptop touchscreen problem in 13.10, menu on top is not usable etc.. this problem was not on the last version, anyone know of it?
[06:45] <omkar_> how can i install gnome 3.10 in ubuntu gnome
[06:45] <omkar_> ?
[06:46] <omkar_> any one please help
[06:47] <roasted> you need the ppas
[06:47] <roasted> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/12/upgrade-gnome-3-10-ubuntu-13-10
[06:50] <omkar_> thanx
[12:12] <mgedmin> I upgraded from Ubuntu GNOME 13.04 (with the gnome3 PPA enabled) to Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 (also with the PPA)
[12:13] <mgedmin> now I see that I've got webkit version 2.0.4-2~ubuntu13.04.1
[12:13] <mgedmin> while the gnome3 PPA for saucy has webkit version 2.0.4-1ubuntu1~saucy3
[12:13] <mgedmin> why is the new version number lower than the old one?
[12:34] <mgedmin> apt-show-versions | grep 'newer than version in archive'
[12:34] <mgedmin> so I've got pango, totem, webkit and javascriptcore left over from the old PPA
[12:50] <mgedmin> fixed with apt-get install `apt-show-versions |grep 'newer than version in archive'|cut -d ':' -f 1|sed -e 's/$/\/saucy/'`
[12:50] <mgedmin> but webkit in the ppa is still newer than the version in saucy, but doesn't have the fix for LP #1211887 from saucy-proposed :/
[17:47] <irsham> hey..i tried to install this but i am not able to make my pendrives bootable...and when i tried to load it via wubi,it restarts d/l after about reaching 70-75%
[19:43] <qetuR> Is it possible to add a ppa to get gnome 3.10 instead of gnome 3.8 as it is at the moment
[21:37] <darkxst> mgedmin, the webkit in saucy is very old!
[22:54] <zero> does anybody know how to instal f.lux?
[22:55] <Guest87325> does anybody know how to instal f.lux
[22:55] <Guest87325> ?


[15:00] <sil2100> o/
[15:01] <sil2100> Uh oh, forgot, no meeting today due to release ;)
[15:05] <teward> sil2100: :P
[15:56] <flexiondotorg> dholbach, mhall119, I have a calendar entry for a Community Catchup meeting.
[15:57] <flexiondotorg> Is that still going ahead?
[15:57] <dholbach> yes, but it's going to be in 1h from now
[15:57] <dholbach> no sure if DST changes played a trick on us, but it's at 17 UTC
[15:59] <flexiondotorg> OK.
[16:00] <flexiondotorg> Timing might be tricky for me.
[16:04] <dholbach> ok... if it doesn't work out, we might have to reschedule then
[16:15] <dholbach> it looks like a bunch of CC people are unavailable too... I'm still figuring out who's going to be there
[16:15] <dholbach> I guess it was a bit of an oversight to do have the meeting on release day
[16:15] <dholbach> I'll keep you all posted
[16:15] <dholbach> flexiondotorg, don't feel bad if you can't make it
[16:16] <flexiondotorg> dholbach, Am I schedule for 30mins? First half of the hour or second half of the hour?
[16:17] <dholbach> I think we're flexible
[16:18] <dholbach> I'll try to find out who's available and let you know in a few
[16:18] <dholbach> sorry for the confusion in any case
[16:23] <dholbach> ok, I asked around basically everyone is gone today (sgclark, hggdh, czajkowski, mhall119, belkinsa, haven't heard from sabdfl or marcoceppi)
[16:23] <dholbach> let's move it
[16:23] <dholbach> sorry about that
[16:23] <teward> dholbach: release days are crazy aren't they :)
[16:23] <dholbach> but: happy release day - it looks like ubuntu.com was updated!
[16:23] <teward> dholbach: and the announcement went out too!  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2016-April/000207.html
[16:23] <dholbach> <3
[16:24] <dholbach> congratulations and thanks a lot everyone for your hard work
[16:24] <dholbach> another LTS out the door :-D
[16:24] <dholbach> we'll follow up over email


[14:29] <mikeputnam> ohai new kernel
[14:42] <h00k> ohai
[14:43] <h00k> mikeputnam: gh-pages becomes master and does the page
[14:43] <h00k> mikeputnam: that's where I'm doing http://hookedonus.com
[14:44] <h00k> mikeputnam: https://github.com/anthonyrhook/hookedonus/tree/gh-pages/
[14:57] <h00k> win 10
[15:01] <mikeputnam> ubuntu 14
[15:01] <mikeputnam> (thx)
[20:58] <ronoc_work> has anyone used ubuntu with a touchscreen only device like a tablet PC?
[20:59] <ronoc_work> I was recently gifted one of these guys: http://amzn.to/1MChyXK
[21:00] <ronoc_work> and I have 14 on it, it works, but the on screen keyboard is slow and makes me want to have it never lock the screen


[06:28] <davinci11> can't start instance and get this output [ FinishedVerify: Not enough resources (0 < 1: vm instances.Not enough resources (0 < 1: vm instances.]
[06:49] <nci> davinci11: if you are using euca2ools, what is the output of euca-describe-availability-zones verbose?
[06:50] <davinci11> AVAILABILITYZONE	|- vm types	free / max   cpu   ram  disk
[06:50] <davinci11> AVAILABILITYZONE	|- m1.small	0000 / 0000   1    192     2
[06:50] <davinci11> AVAILABILITYZONE	|- c1.medium	0000 / 0000   1    256     5
[06:50] <davinci11> AVAILABILITYZONE	|- m1.large	0000 / 0000   2    512    10
[06:50] <davinci11> AVAILABILITYZONE	|- m1.xlarge	0000 / 0000   2   1024    20
[06:50] <davinci11> AVAILABILITYZONE	|- c1.xlarge	0000 / 0000   4   2048    20
[06:50] <nci> so that means your compute nodes aren't registered within the cluster
[06:51] <davinci11> i tried to deregister and register nodes again
[06:51] <davinci11> but still same
[06:51] <nci> look at euca_conf --list-nodes
[06:52] <davinci11> no output
[06:52] <nci> :(
[06:52] <nci> maybe try removing the cluster and re-adding it, then adding the nodes?
[06:53] <nci> also check the keys
[06:53] <davinci11> tried as well too
[06:54] <davinci11> even remove the key and created new one
[06:55] <nci> sorry, that's about as much as I know. I got Eucalyptus working after reinstalling a few times. I remember having issues if the auto-discover didn't work during the uec install.
[06:57] <davinci11> no other way without reinstall ?? :(''
[06:59] <nci> Maybe someone with more eucalyptus experience can help you, I'm not familiar enough with it. I assume you've checked the config files to make sure the nodes are looking at the right address, and that the correct ports are open?
[07:00] <davinci11> look at nodes machine ? or cc
[07:00] <flaccid> maybe tits literal
[07:00] <flaccid> not enough resources
[07:00] <flaccid> try googling the error
[07:01] <davinci11> already tried what i found
[07:01] <nci> go to the compute nodes and check you can connect to the right port on the CC using telnet
[07:03] <davinci11> i'm using ssh to CC is that means ok?
[07:03] <nci> ssh goes over port 22, you want to check the node can connect to the CC over a different port that eucalyptus is using
[07:04] <davinci11> how to check ?
[07:05] <nci> On the front-end, ports 8443, 8773, 8774 and 9001 must be open; on the node, port 8775 must be open.
[07:06] <nci> so on the CC, try telnet [IP-address-of-node] 8775
[07:06] <nci> if the connection is accepted then the port is open and the eucalyptus compute node is ok
[07:07] <nci> then SSH to the compute node, try to telnet [IP-address-of-CC] 8773
[07:07] <nci> and check the other numbers as well.
[07:07] <davinci11> cant telnet from CC to nodes
[07:07] <davinci11> port 8775
[07:09] <nci> check if the eucalyptus process is running on the nodes - SSH to the node and run ps aux | grep euca
[07:13] <davinc1> root      1824  0.0  0.1   5108  2148 ?        Ss   12:22   0:00 apache2 -f /var/run/eucalyptus/httpd-nc.conf -D FOREGROUND
[07:13] <davinc1> 107       1913  0.0  0.2  40048  4748 ?        Sl   12:22   0:01 apache2 -f /var/run/eucalyptus/httpd-nc.conf -D FOREGROUND
[07:13] <davinc1> root      2071  0.0  0.0   2352   912 ?        Ss   12:22   0:00 avahi-publish -s cluster1 node _eucalyptus._tcp 8775 txtvers=1 protovers=1.5.0 type=node
[07:13] <davinc1> ubc1     23024  0.0  0.0   3608   868 pts/1    S+   15:09   0:00 grep --color=auto euca
[07:13] <nci> ok
[07:13] <nci> so the process is running
[07:14] <nci> try telnet localhost 8775
[07:14] <nci> on the compute node
[07:14] <davinci11> Trying <IP_ADDRESS>...
[07:14] <davinci11> Connected to localhost.
[07:14] <davinci11> Escape character is '^]'.
[07:14] <nci> ok
[07:15] <nci> escape from that
[07:15] <nci> so I'm not 100% sure, but it seems like your CC can't connect to your NC
[07:15] <nci> which is usually a firewall issue
[07:16] <flaccid> portmap will check the port satus
[07:16] <flaccid> *status sorry
[07:18] <davinc1> Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
[07:18] <davinc1> target     prot opt source               destination
[07:18] <davinc1> ACCEPT     udp  --  anywhere             anywhere            udp dpt:domain
[07:18] <davinc1> ACCEPT     tcp  --  anywhere             anywhere            tcp dpt:domain
[07:18] <davinc1> ACCEPT     udp  --  anywhere             anywhere            udp dpt:bootps
[07:18] <davinc1> ACCEPT     all  --  <IP_ADDRESS>/24     anywhere
[07:18] <davinc1> ACCEPT     all  --  anywhere             anywhere
[07:18] <davinc1> REJECT     all  --  anywhere             anywhere            reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
[07:18] <davinc1> REJECT     all  --  anywhere             anywhere            reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
[07:18] <davinci11> iptables from CC
[07:21] <nci> I'm not sure...sorry
[08:12] <TeTeT> davinc1: maybe your cloud is not setup correctly? what's the output of euca-describe-availability-zones verbose?
[08:13] <davinci11> AVAILABILITYZONE	|- vm types	free / max   cpu   ram  disk
[08:13] <davinci11> AVAILABILITYZONE	|- m1.small	0000 / 0000   1    192     2
[08:13] <davinci11> AVAILABILITYZONE	|- c1.medium	0000 / 0000   1    256     5
[08:13] <davinci11> AVAILABILITYZONE	|- m1.large	0000 / 0000   2    512    10
[08:13] <davinci11> AVAILABILITYZONE	|- m1.xlarge	0000 / 0000   2   1024    20
[08:13] <davinci11> AVAILABILITYZONE	|- c1.xlarge	0000 / 0000   4   2048    20
[08:14] <davinci11> it work before, but now can start anymore
[08:15] <TeTeT> davinc1: you seee the 0000, that means your node controllers are not in the cloud anymore
[08:15] <TeTeT> davinc1: did you reboot the systems or something like that?
[08:15] <davinci11> yeah. both CC and NC rebooted
[08:15] <davinci11> still same
[08:18] <TeTeT> davinc1: from the front-end, do a $ sudo euca_conf --list-nodes
[08:19] <davinci11> no output
[08:19] <TeTeT> davinc1: so for whatever reasons your node controller was dropped from eucas config
[08:20] <TeTeT> davinc1: try a $ sudo euca_conf --discover-nodes
[08:20] <TeTeT> and see if the node controller is picked up again
[08:21] <TeTeT> davinc1: what Ubuntu version do you use btw?
[08:21] <davinci11> INFO: We expect all nodes to have eucalyptus installed in //var/lib/eucalyptus/keys for key synchronization.
[08:21] <davinci11> output of $ sudo euca_conf --discover-nodes
[08:22] <TeTeT> davinc1: weird, what would remove the keys from there on the front-end? I'm a bit out of ideas right now
[08:22] <davinci11> Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud (UEC) 11.04
[08:23] <TeTeT> davinci11: can you ping the node controller from the front-end? maybe $ sudo euca_conf --register-nodes <ip node controller> will work?
[08:24] <davinci11> yep both work
[08:24] <TeTeT> davinci11: try the euca-describe-availability-zones verbose again
[08:25] <davinci11> same
[08:25] <TeTeT> and euca_conf --list-nodes?
[08:26] <davinci11> still no output
[08:27] <TeTeT> davinci11: what's the oputput of $ sudo euca_conf --register-nodes <ip of node controller>?
[08:28] <davinci11> INFO: We expect all nodes to have eucalyptus installed in //var/lib/eucalyptus/keys for key synchronization.
[08:28] <davinci11> Trying rsync to sync keys with "<IP_ADDRESS>"...done.
[08:30] <TeTeT> davinci11: that looks ok, when you do a '$ sudo su - eucalyptus' on the front-end
[08:30] <TeTeT> davinc11: and then ssh to the node controller, does that work?
[08:32] <davinci11> yes is working
[08:33] <TeTeT> davinci11: looks like a bug to me then. Daviey, do you have an opinion on the above node registration problem on 11.04?
[09:04] <TeTeT> davinci11: maybe this bug is hitting you: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eucalyptus/+bug/585108
[09:04] <TeTeT> davinci11: probably dereigstering the node and then trying to add it again will help, but I'm not sure
[09:07] <davinci11> TeTeT: I tried that way before, but still not work
[09:09] <TeTeT> davinci11: hmm, on the front-end, try a $ sudo restart eucalyptus CLEAN=1
[09:09] <TeTeT> davinci11: and then try the registering dance again
[09:13] <davinci11> still same
[17:41] <marrusl> kim0, great blog post today.  i'm sitting in a hadoop class right now.  nice timing.
[17:41] <kim0> marrusl: hehe nice
[17:41] <kim0> marrusl: is canonical supporting hadoop professionally now
[17:43] <marrusl> kim0, for premium customers I would think so yes.  but probably not in general unless it went into main.
[17:43] <kim0> got it
[17:54] <koolhead17> hi all


[03:08] <Chainy> hi, just thinking about adding some more detail to the wiki about installing ubuntu on Mac - mainly stuff related to a dual-boot. I'm quite new to this, so would like to discuss with someone...
[03:09] <Chainy> is there a mac chat line?
[06:27] <jsgotangco> hey all
[06:28] <jsgotangco> hiya robitaille
[06:28] <robitaille> Hello jsgotangco
[06:31] <Madpilot> hi all
[06:32] <jsgotangco> hey Madpilot
[06:39] <jsgotangco> http://raw-output.org/20051103/the-real-threat-for-debian
[06:39] <jsgotangco> haha
[06:42] <Madpilot> ah!
[06:45] <robitaille> you know you are gaining in popularity when you are mentionned in a Scotish Newspaper:
[06:45] <robitaille> http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=16329893&method=full&siteid=66633&headline=steve-lawson-s-games-and-technology--tech-heads---do-the-ubuntu--name_page.html
[06:47] <jsgotangco> why is steve lawson's name familiar
[06:47] <jsgotangco> yeah
[06:48] <jsgotangco> that's the future of newspaper subscription
[06:48] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:48] <rob^> grr change of plans, looks like I won't make the 2200utc meeting :(
[06:49] <jsgotangco> rob^: its 2300
[06:49] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:49] <highvoltage> happy new year!
[06:49] <jsgotangco> ?
[06:49] <highvoltage> oh, time. i thought you meant year :)
[06:49] <robitaille> jsgotangco,  yep, steve lawson's name sounds familiar.  Not sure why.
[06:57] <rob^> hmm I might make the last half of it..
[07:08] <robitaille> so it seems the ubuntupeople.com had a marketing meeting last Sunday:
[07:08] <robitaille> http://www.ubuntupeople.com/file/forums/viewtopic.php?t=29&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
[07:08] <jsgotangco> nice
[07:08] <jsgotangco> =)
[07:08] <robitaille> I wish they were interacting more with the other teams...
[07:08] <jsgotangco> hmmm they probably like living in their ivory tower
[07:11] <jsgotangco> robitaille: i guess their lp page is kinda useless atm
[07:13] <robitaille> that's not their LP page.  I think that's the LP page of the marketing team based on the mailing list.
[07:13] <jsgotangco> oh
[07:14] <robitaille> personally I don't think it's going anywhere, the forums, or the mailing list at this rate...
[07:14] <jsgotangco> well like i said before, they  should look into OOo-marketing
[07:15] <jsgotangco> grand plans just don't happen overnight
[07:15] <jsgotangco> gnome-marketing has some nice stuff as well that they should look too
[07:37] <jsgotangco> hahaha according to technorati, my blog is worth $9,000
[01:32] <mhz> hip
[02:10] <jjesse> morning :)
[04:05] <jsgotangco> Belutz: hi
[04:05] <Belutz> hi jsgotangco
[04:06] <jsgotangco> how's it going?
[04:18] <jjesse> morning :)
[04:18] <Burgundavia> morning
[04:18] <jjesse> how is UBZ ?
[04:18] <Burgundavia> good
[04:18] <Burgundavia> my throat hurts
[04:19] <jsgotangco> hey
[04:22] <Belutz> jsgotangco, i'm fine, sorry i was editing my page in wiki, i'm guess i'm going to put my name in CC agenda
[04:28] <Belutz> 23:00 UTC means 06:00 am in here
[04:30] <jsgotangco> 7 on my side
[04:31] <Belutz> :)
[04:32] <jsgotangco> Belutz: jeezz you have 1000+ karma
[04:33] <Belutz> jsgotangco, yes... 1000+ bad karma.. it's not good... lol
[04:35] <jsgotangco> Belutz: i got to talk to someone before that you guys in id have a national program that evolves around JDS?
[04:35] <Belutz> JDS ?
[04:36] <jsgotangco> Java Desktop System
[04:36] <jsgotangco> (Sun Linux)
[04:36] <Belutz> i think so, the government i think using JDS
[04:36] <Belutz> i saw it in the IOSN news
[04:36] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:37] <jsgotangco> (i don't remember the name)
[04:37] <Belutz> Frans Thamura?
[04:44] <jsgotangco> no no
[05:50] <jsgotangco> hey mdke
[05:51] <mdke> hello jerome :)
[05:51] <Burgundavia> salut mdke
[05:52] <mdke> y0
[06:14] <mdke> see y'all tonight
[06:21] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:21] <jsgotangco> i need to sleep then
[06:21] <jsgotangco> that would be 6 hours from now
[06:22] <highvoltage> goodnight, jerome.
[06:48] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: Kevin Cole?
[07:28] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, Kevin Cole is an LTSP guy that writes docs and wants to work with us
[07:28] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: yeah he's an RHCE obviously he knows stuff
[07:30] <Burgundavia> he  (and another LTSP doc guy) are coming to our meeting today
[07:31] <jsgotangco> wow
[08:19] <Burgundavia> hello again, back from lunch
[11:59] <Burgundavia> meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 5 minutes
[12:03] <Burgundavia> meeting in #ubuntu-meeting now


[01:36] <madnick> well
[01:36] <madnick> "bug" 607473 is still there in 0.3
[01:37] <Unit193> bug 607473 is still there
[01:38] <madnick> bug 713337 is certainly not there
[01:39] <madnick> bug 874092, i dont think its there, i tried what he does, and it just doesnt hang
[01:42] <madnick> and bug 874871 .. i have no way of checking
[01:43] <madnick> knome: ^
[04:29] <micahg> madnick: for 874871, there's an upstream bug assigned, so not to worry about it
[06:29] <micahg> when is the next meeting>
[06:31] <Unit193> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20111113T22
[06:31] <Unit193> Sunday, November 13, 2011 at 22:00:00 UTC time
[06:33] <micahg> I wasn't sure if we were sticking with that...ok, will try to attend
[06:34] <Unit193> That time/day is always bad for me :/
[06:37] <micahg> 22:00 doesn't work so well for me either this time of year
[06:38] <Unit193> I'm glad we have the meeting here as I can just read the massive scrollup
[08:14] <ochosi> madnick: about the fullscreen or maximizing thing, that's a wishlist iteam, so no blocker anyway.
[08:14] <ochosi> madnick: same with the color-management (although from what i remember it's on the dev's wishlist as well)
[08:15] <ochosi> madnick: and the two critical bugs i also cannot confirm anymore, as far as i'm concerned they're fixed
[08:15] <ochosi> knome: ^
[08:15] <Unit193> Nice, I should also try it out
[10:32] <knome> huh?
[10:32] <knome> :)
[10:34] <ochosi> knome: summarizing what madnick and me said: please close all bugreports against ristretto <0.1.0 ;)
[10:35] <knome> heh
[15:11] <astraljava> What key agent do you use in Xubuntu? I only see gnome-related in the repos.
[15:14] <ochosi> don't think we have one by default atm
[15:20] <astraljava> I don't mind it not being there by default. But do you mean the XFCE project doesn't have any?
[15:21] <ochosi> as far as i know it doesn't, but i'm really not the expert on the subject
[15:23] <ochosi> probably better to ask in #xfce-dev
[15:41] <astraljava> Yeah okay, thanks.
[15:49] <ochosi> bbl
[17:57] <madnick> not sure about this:
[17:57] <madnick> http://www.weather.com/services/xmloap.html
[17:57] <madnick> all one needs to do is subscribe right, it does not seem to have any fees
[17:58] <madnick> so im guessing that the tags themselves broke
[17:58] <madnick> in the weather plugin
[19:12] <Unit193> Dang, looks as if this isn't free :/ http://www.wunderground.com/weather/api/ (Account is, service isn't quite) But you could always go from RSS :P
[19:13] <micahg> ochosi: that doesn't make sense to close all the bug reports, we know some still affect later versions
[19:14] <micahg> astraljava: do you mean like gnome has the keyring integration?  we could probably use that more heavily in xubuntu as well
[19:19] <astraljava> micahg: That's what I mean, yeah.
[19:21] <madnick> micahg: btw, the next meeting will address meeting times


[06:51] <coolbhavi> dpm, hey
[06:51] <coolbhavi> good morning
[06:53] <dpm> morning coolbhavi, how are you?
[06:53] <dpm> did you get back home all right?
[06:53] <coolbhavi> dpm, yup a long flight though
[06:54] <coolbhavi> dpm, I have mailed few UADW session ideas to you
[06:55] <dpm> coolbhavi, yeah, I saw them, thanks
[06:55] <coolbhavi> no mention
[06:56] <coolbhavi> dpm, how was your travel btw?
[06:56] <dpm> not too bad, but the flight was delayed and I only arrived Saturday evening
[06:57] <dpm> coolbhavi, if you think you've finished the action for the UADW session, would you mind marking it as DONE in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-r-app-developer-week-on-air ? Thanks!
[06:58] <coolbhavi> dpm, done
[06:58] <coolbhavi> hey jvrbanac
[06:58] <jvrbanac> coolbhavi, howdy!
[06:59] <jvrbanac> coolbhavi, thanks again for pushing up that update!
[06:59] <dpm> thanks coolbhavi
[07:00] <coolbhavi> jvrbanac, m fine. how about you? no mention.. still a long way to clear up the queue though
[07:01] <coolbhavi> dpm, btw I had my check in baggage damaged at bangalore thats the only thing which sucked on the trip back
[07:04] <jvrbanac> coolbhavi, I'm doing well, just trying to finish up a few things before I head to bed. I wish I could help more with the queue. Between full-time work and school (I went back to school a few years ago), and trying to help a little with the Developer Network...  I'll be finished in Dec. FINALLY!
[07:08] <coolbhavi> great to hear that :) all the best!
[07:09] <jvrbanac> coolbhavi, Thanks! It's been a long time coming and i'll be happy to see it go. I would much rather help with open-source projects with my spare time then write papers and take exams lol!
[07:10] <coolbhavi> cool :)
[07:12] <coolbhavi> dpm, btw I can help with other app dev items too
[07:13] <coolbhavi> on the spec
[07:20] <jvrbanac> Btw, coolbhavi and dpm, if you were open to suggestions, I would highly recommend spending some time around translation support. I know it was on the list, but that was one of the areas that I had the hardest time figuring out how it worked and how I could test it.
[07:21] <coolbhavi> jvrbanac, sure. thanks for your suggestion
[07:33] <dpm> jvrbanac, indeed, it's on our list of topics for sessions at the next Ubuntu App Developer Week - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-r-app-developer-week-on-air
[09:23]  * ajmitch waves
[09:32] <dpm> hey ajmitch, did you get home all right?
[09:34] <ajmitch> not home yet
[09:34] <ajmitch> sitting in hong kong airport, boarding for flight to NZ in ~90 min
[09:36] <ajmitch> then another few hours waiting for the final flight after that
[10:05] <highvoltage> ajmitch: hope it's easy and uneventful
[10:05] <ajmitch> more likely to just be tedious & far too long
[10:05] <ajmitch> this is one of the few times I regret living in NZ :)
[10:06] <highvoltage> yes sounds tough
[10:08] <ajmitch> internet data caps are the other reason, but I see my cap was doubled while I was away
[10:26]  * dpm hugs ajmitch
[10:27] <dpm> coolbhavi, would you mind adding your App Developer Week session proposals to the wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Prep ?
[11:58] <coolbhavi> dpm, done
[11:58] <dpm> thanks coolbhavi :)
[11:59] <coolbhavi> :)
[11:59] <dpm> nice work in adding the descriptions for each proposal as well :)
[12:01] <coolbhavi> no mention :)
[12:25] <coolbhavi> highvoltage, hey
[12:26] <coolbhavi> please subscribe to the list again as I dont need to approve your posts then :)
[12:31] <highvoltage> hey coolbhavi
[12:31] <highvoltage> coolbhavi: heh, ok
[12:32] <coolbhavi> :)
[12:33] <coolbhavi> thanks highvoltage :)
[13:14] <coolbhavi> hey cwayne
[13:14] <cwayne> heya coolbhavi, hows it goin?
[13:15] <coolbhavi> cwayne, good recovered from UDS.. how about you?
[13:15] <cwayne> coolbhavi: could be worse, still have a bit of a cold leftover from UDS
[13:16] <coolbhavi> ah thats bad :( take ample rest
[13:16] <coolbhavi> hope you get well soon
[13:16] <cwayne> thanks!  i'll be all right soon enough :)
[13:49] <cwayne> ajmitch: how about a final +1 for the github lens :P
[13:50] <coolbhavi> cwayne, heh :)
[14:00] <coolbhavi> cwayne, btw changed the icon? :)
[14:12] <cwayne> coolbhavi: yep :)
[15:07] <coolbhavi> good night all!


[00:01] <bdrung> arand: ping
[04:41] <imbrandon> hrm, i want to get a computer "fingerprint" , sugestions ?
[04:42] <ajmitch> in what sense?
[04:42] <ajmitch> some form of hardware identifier?
[04:43] <imbrandon> yea
[04:43]  * ajmitch guesses maybe info from dmidecode, or other tools like that
[04:44] <imbrandon> i was thinking something like a proc serial num and some identifying number from the /boot hdd and hash it
[04:44] <imbrandon> or something
[04:44] <imbrandon> dunno
[04:45] <imbrandon> hrm dmidecode lookes intresting
[04:45] <imbrandon> what about systems with efi and no bios
[04:48] <ajmitch> no idea
[05:00] <lfaraone> I see some Debian packages with Ubuntu changes in Launchpad with revision schemes like "-1build3" yet there are non-rebuild-only changes. Should I break the scheme when appling a patch and change it to "-1ubuntu1'?
[05:02] <ajmitch> lfaraone: yes
[05:02] <imbrandon> lfaraone: sounds sane
[05:12] <lfaraone> Likewise, bug 578717 seems like something that can only effect Lucid. Does it need to be "fixed" in Maverick before being SRU'd?
[05:16] <lfaraone> Nevermind, silly question.
[06:11] <kobrien> hey guys, I've tried a yesterday in #ubuntu-java but got no answer. I'm packaging a java app with cdbs. I get the following error: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.apache.tools.ant.util.regexp.Jdk14RegexpRegexp. Any ideas?
[06:12] <kobrien> also as part of the same error is a note about not being able to find a regexp matcher. Now, I have installed ant-optional, and that doesn't fix it. JAVA_HOME is also set correctly.
[07:32] <\sh> moins
[08:17] <dholbach> good morning
[08:28] <ripps> Hmm... In Maverick, why is libwildmidi only 'i386', and not 'all' like in previous releases?
[08:29] <ripps> err libwildmidi-dev, that is.
[10:40] <DeeJay1> hello! I have a small question - how can I get deb package descriptions translated?
[10:41] <Rhonda> DeeJay1: If I'm not mistaken it uses the http://ddtp.debian.net/ service.
[10:42] <Rhonda> … and I still wonder when djpig will wake up to get my patches for the ubuntu-master branch of packages.git applied.  %-/
[10:45] <DeeJay1> "Real names consist of alphanumeric characters, spaces and quotes and are at least 6 letter long, thanks" - well, real names consist of UTF-8 characters LOL@ddtp
[10:53] <Rhonda> DeeJay1: utf-8 characters for names are a subset of alphanumeric
[10:53] <DeeJay1> well, not for ddtp
[10:53] <Rhonda> But I'm sure that Wookey begs to differ big time here, too.
[10:53] <Rhonda> Hmm, but then, wookey is 6 characters.
[10:54] <Rhonda> DeeJay1: I am having big issues with that interface myself too, but then it's the only thing we've got.
[11:04] <DeeJay1> eh, well it could be worse
[11:09] <Rhonda> Not much. The "review" of it isn't worth the term, it's a click-through thing that happens within the minutes without much possibility to leave the "translator" any hints or message.
[11:55] <ScottK> lfaraone: WRT packages with buildX suffixes and actual changes in them, it's not rare for people to upload that way if the change is already in Debian.
[11:56] <ScottK> lfaraone: So please be careful about undoing that.
[12:38] <iefremov> Hi All! Can anyone help me with the following issue: my package (ugene) fails to start in Lucid with symbol lookup error. I suspect that this issue can be fixed in stable release by simple rebuilding of the package. But SRU process requires some fixes/patches etc. Is there a way to request a rebuild without patching anything ? For details, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ugene/+bug/566146
[12:38] <Laney> you should just be able to ask for a rebuild in an SRU
[12:39] <iefremov> Laney, should I create a separate bug, or request the rebuild in an existing one (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ugene/+bug/566146) ?
[12:39] <Laney> just do it in that one
[12:40] <iefremov> Ok, thanks! I will try this.
[13:38] <lfaraone> james_w: Oliver Tilloy reverted the @PACKAGENAME@ change per your request in lp:~osomon/ubuntu/maverick/epiphany-browser/user_agent. Do you think the branch is now ready to be merged?
[13:38] <james_w> lfaraone: I do
[13:39] <lfaraone> james_w: okay, I've got it.
[13:39] <james_w> thanks
[13:59] <effie_jayx> hello all
[14:00] <effie_jayx> does one need to enable backports ion order for pbuilder to know about Maverick as a release?
[14:01] <Rhonda> effie_jayx: You can always work around by creating a lucid chroot, --login --safe-after-login and change sources.list to maverick and then do an --update
[14:02] <effie_jayx> Rhonda: that is a neat trick
[14:02] <effie_jayx> I am curious since I tried creating the maverick chroot and I enabled the backports and pbuilder was not updated
[14:02] <effie_jayx> will keep that in mind thanks Rhonda
[14:03] <Rhonda> That's the one that usually works when bootstrapping a new devel version isn't working because of toolchain b0rkage. :)
[14:06] <effie_jayx> btw the multiple pbuilders section in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto needs a maverick there
[14:06] <effie_jayx> Rhonda: thanks again :)
[14:09] <Rhonda> effie_jayx: As that is a wiki I figure you can fix it on yourself too? :)
[14:11] <effie_jayx> Rhonda: well just though I needed clearace
[14:11] <effie_jayx> :P
[14:13] <effie_jayx> done
[14:19] <Quintasan> hiho
[14:47] <ScottK> effie_jayx: The changes for a maverick chroot were done before release, so no backports needed.
[15:18] <\sh> RainCT, pingeling
[15:18] <\sh> hey ScottK
[15:18] <ScottK> \sh: Hello.
[15:19] <\sh> ScottK, couldn't say "good buy" on saturday morning...hope you arrived home safely without any ashcloud madness
[15:19] <\sh> good bye I mean...still not recovered
[15:19] <ScottK> \sh: Yes.  No troubles at all.
[15:19] <ScottK> \sh: Yeah, me too.
[15:20]  * ScottK is currently staring at the cat man page trying to remember how to use it ...
[15:20] <\sh> hehe
[15:25] <RainCT> Heya \sh
[15:26] <\sh> RainCT, check your query
[15:26] <micahg> hi \sh
[15:27] <\sh> hey micahg
[15:27] <arand> If in QUILT I've got debian/patches/debian in quilt, and imported my patch to debian/patches/1.patch would "quilt rename 1.diff debian/1.diff" be the best thing to do as far as organisation?
[15:29] <arand> Also does it matter if it's -p0? (The original imported is.)
[15:35] <arand> And.. How would I reference a Fedora bug (source of fix) in the changlog?
[15:37] <ScottK> arand: How about "Fedora Bug #nnnnnn"?  There isn't a standard rule for that.
[15:38] <AnAnt> if it is a patch, there is a header for this
[15:38] <arand> Okay.
[15:39] <ScottK> True.  That's the place for details like a link to the exact place you got the patch from.
[15:40] <arand> Yea, I've written a header, but I thought I'd put it down in the changelog as well..
[15:40] <AnAnt> Bug-Fedora
[15:40] <AnAnt> ah, ok
[16:00] <arand> Should a quilt patch be refreshed to apply with -p1, or kept true to original with -p0  (lintian warns on -p0)
[16:02] <AnAnt> p1 I recall
[17:37] <_Andrew> I'm building a package for hardy under compat 6. In my install file I have "usr/bin" however dh_install fails to find /usr/bin/xyz
[17:37] <_Andrew> Any ideas?
[17:38] <_Andrew> I've tried "usr/bin/*" and "debian/tmp/usr/bin", etc
[17:40] <_Andrew> I'm using "dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp --fail-missing"
[20:26]  * abogani waves
[20:34] <abogani> imbrandon: Are you around?
[20:38] <abogani> imbrandon: Sorry for delay in reply. I have placed the updated version of linux-rt package for Lucid in my PPA at: https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/broken/+packages
[21:13] <imbrandon> kk
[23:29] <arand> If a patched package in -proposed fails, is it enough to simply comment on the original bug?
[23:32] <crimsun> arand: do you mean that the -proposed packages "fails" to resolve the symptom of the bug? Yes, comment.
[23:33] <crimsun> "fails" there is ambiguous, namely "fails to install", "fails to upgrade", etc. are all valid interpretations ;-)
[23:33] <arand> Yes, it's Bug #526849, the hardy fix is incomplete.
[23:33] <crimsun> (nonetheless they're all cause for validation-failed)
[23:34] <ajmitch> "causes irreparable data loss" is also another fail, though unlikely in this case
[23:34] <arand> Yea, I've marked that as well, I was just thinking if there werer any more things to be done.
[23:34] <arand> It's simply that the pastebinit link output is garbled
[23:39] <arand> Where can I see the -proposed queue by the way?
[23:42] <ajmitch> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
[23:42] <ajmitch> I think that's what you were looking for?
[23:43] <arand> ajmitch: cheers :) The queues are always a bugger to find...
[23:43] <ajmitch> you've checked that you have the right version of pastebinit installed before testing?
[23:45]  * ajmitch had an SRU for boost1.38 where the person testing have a self-compiled python-visual, which was linked against an old, unpatched boost version
[23:45] <ajmitch> thankfully we got that sorted
[23:47] <arand> ajmitch: Yea, well, the patch is exactly the same as I tested earlier and confirmed as not working on hardy...
[23:48] <arand> Seems like someone didn't read my comments :D
[23:48] <ajmitch> right, the bit about the patch being unfinished :)
[23:49] <ajmitch> problem is that the tags apply across all releases, so while it may be fixed on jaunty, you can only tag it as failed for all
[23:49] <ajmitch> how annoying
[23:50] <arand> Yea, well I'm marking as committed for k&j and confimed for hh, so there's at least som distinction there


[13:05] <tjaalton> ricotz: hi, is there a history of edgers changes to mesa? guess openvg needs to be dropped but i'd check the other changes too
[13:06] <ricotz> tjaalton, the bzr branch contains the mesa packaging patches
[13:06] <tjaalton> where?
[13:06] <tjaalton> branches under edgers were old
[13:07] <tjaalton> other than piglit
[13:07] <ricotz> xorg-pkg-tools
[13:08] <ricotz> ah sorry i have pending local changes
[13:09] <ricotz> tjaalton, pushed
[13:10] <tjaalton> k
[13:12] <tjaalton> thx
[13:14] <tjaalton> so libegl1-mesa-drivers is essentially empty now and can be dropped?
[13:15] <ricotz> tjaalton, it is empty yes, but dropping it breaks some rdepends, so a transitioning package might be useful
[13:17] <mlankhorst> yeah
[13:18] <tjaalton> righty-o


[18:14] <wrst> hello froggie
[20:19]  * Ubik thinks we could probably erect an IdleRPG bot in here, for as much talking that takes place... :)
[20:30] <wrst> ha ha
[20:30] <wrst> you might be correct