[13:09] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: could you convert https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yelp/+bug/1988847 to a wishlist please?
[13:45] <Fallen> arraybolt3: I've skimmed over it and it looks like a good start. Will take a closer look soon. I'm going to start getting this out there and will share the doc with #ubuntu-doc and here. What else do you think we might need to get an initial pilot on the road?
[13:45] <Fallen> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mwDyX37pVqlDYeYZTKuHnUGGpfAdeVspWASvc4gQCXQ/edit
[13:49] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: done
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> thank you very much hggdh ; )
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> Fallen, arraybolt3[m]  tnx to add irc channel list etc to the Initial Set of Tasks
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> arraybolt3[m] also fixed a yelp==>get more help==>file a bug==>file a bug manualy==> irc channel list/support proposal before actualy filing a bug
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> wich is great!
[17:44] <arraybolt3[m]> Fallen: 👋 Alright, I am back!
[17:50] <arraybolt3[m]> I'm taking a look at the document now and will see if I can fill in the couple of missing spots.
[18:52] <arraybolt3[m]> Fallen: I took a swing at defining the exact scope of the community governance documentation, and put it as a suggested edit under Scope and Communication in the Phase 1 section. The only other things I see that aren't done yet are the structure for the documentation frontend (which I don't think I know enough about how that works to try to define that), and the Non-Goals section that has a hole already assigned to Daniele
[18:52] <arraybolt3[m]> Procida.
[18:54] <arraybolt3[m]> So, other than those last two spots, I think it looks done, and if you get a chance, look over the work I did on defining scope to see if that looks about right. (Also, I changed one of the tasks in the initial task list - the bit about finding and flagging outdated info turned out to look like a monumental task, so I changed it to just finding obsolete teams and moving them to a Historical section.)


[00:03] <hggdh> darn!
[00:03] <hggdh> I give up.  It works just fine here with FF 3.5
[00:25] <hggdh> Ampelbein, mine is disabled, stating it is not compatible with 3.5.2
[00:26] <hggdh> I am almost to the point where it is worth the pain to just rm -rf the ffox profile, and start new
[00:26] <micahg> what version is your extension?
[00:26] <Ampelbein> hggdh: strange. what version of greasemonkey do you have, it works here with 0.8.20090123.1-0ubuntu2
[00:26] <micahg> hggdh you can test with a new profile firefox-3.5 -ProfileManager
[00:29] <hggdh> yay, that's mine
[00:32] <hggdh> heh. It is back
[00:32] <hggdh> (on 3.0)
[00:39] <hggdh> well. Go figure. Nothing like a selective cleanup of the profile...
[01:43] <komputes> chrisccoulson: Bug #390304 is actually pretty big...
[01:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 390304 in devicekit-disks "external usb disk drives are mounted under their UUID's" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390304
[01:43] <chrisccoulson> why?
[01:44] <chrisccoulson> using UUID's as the mount point is intended, and is not considered a bug
[01:55] <komputes> chrisccoulson: "using UUID's as the mount point is intended"  -where do you get this from?
[02:00] <chrisccoulson> from the source code of devicekit-disks?
[02:00] <komputes> chrisccoulson: yes, but it creates a regression as compared to previous releases
[02:00] <chrisccoulson> the design intent is to use UUID's as a fallback if the volume has no label
[02:00] <chrisccoulson> so if you don't want UUID's, set a label on your volume
[02:01] <komputes> chrisccoulson: the fact that the design of devicekit makes it that way is a side effect of moving to devicekit, users should not have to set labels on disks
[02:01] <chrisccoulson> i don't see what the issue is here. UUID's and labels are persistent. "disk-1", "disk-2" etc are not persistent, and depend on the order in which you inser the volume
[02:01] <chrisccoulson> thats more confusin
[02:01] <chrisccoulson> g
[02:02] <chrisccoulson> and there are still human readable names in computer:///, which is how most people will access their media
[02:02] <komputes> chrisccoulson: plus many of our documentation makes reference to out use of mountpoints such as /media/disk, disk-1, disk-2
[02:02] <chrisccoulson> well, the documentation should be fixed then
[02:03] <komputes> chrisccoulson: please place a comment concerning consistency in the bug - i see where you're coming from now
[02:03] <chrisccoulson> komputes - i will do. i was going to write a comment when i set the importance earlier, but i did it from my phone and i had coverage problems when i tried to do it
[02:03] <chrisccoulson> but i'm going to bed now, so i'll do it in the morning
[02:03] <komputes> k, np
[02:04] <komputes> i'll put a note in then
[02:04] <komputes> chrisccoulson: night'
[02:04] <chrisccoulson> i'm not saying it's not a bug though - perhaps the behaviour will be changed
[02:04] <chrisccoulson> but i don't think it's a high priority issue right now
[02:04] <chrisccoulson> and it's the intended behaviour "for now" ;)
[02:04] <komputes> but you do make a good point about persistence, i just wanted to avoid alienating users
[02:05] <komputes> chrisccoulson: medium importance?
[02:05] <chrisccoulson> personally, i don't have much preference either way. but i do slightly prefer the persistence
[02:05] <chrisccoulson> komputes - i think the importance is ok where it is for now
[02:05] <chrisccoulson> anyway, i've got to go to bed - i'm up again in 4 hours ;)
[02:06] <komputes> advanced users would prefer persistence, new users, easy names
[02:06] <komputes> k 'night
[02:06] <chrisccoulson> possibly, but new users get easy names in computer:///
[02:06] <komputes> path
[02:06] <komputes> easy name in the path
[02:06] <chrisccoulson> i hope new users don't think they have to navigate to /media to find their volumes
[02:06] <chrisccoulson> yeah
[02:06] <komputes> no, but they may need to point some programs to it that way
[02:07] <komputes> we both have strong points, i'll update the bug
[02:07] <chrisccoulson> komputes - you're possibly right about pointing some programs to it using the path - but most applications on the default install should be using GIO anyway
[02:08] <komputes> i agree
[02:08] <komputes> but not all do
[02:08] <chrisccoulson> so the media is accessible in computer:/// by its pretty name ;)
[02:08] <komputes> computer:/// is a gnome thing
[02:08] <komputes> let's not assume
[02:09] <komputes> Plus, haven't checked but this may affect server, so without auto-complete it makes the job of typing in a path impossible..
[02:10] <chrisccoulson> komputes - there is nothing to do automounting on the server
[02:11] <komputes> ok
[02:11] <chrisccoulson> the automounting is initiated in nautilus via gvfs in gnome
[02:11] <komputes> chrisccoulson: what does device kit replace in karmic? HAL/UDEV?
[02:12] <chrisccoulson> well, there is no such thing as devicekit now - applications now use udev directly (using libudev)
[02:13] <chrisccoulson> devicekit-disks is to replace the disk handling part of HAL
[02:13] <chrisccoulson> and devicekit-power replaces some power management parts of HAL
[02:13] <komputes> ok, thanks for clarifying
[02:13] <chrisccoulson> and applications that previously used HAL for discovering devices and properties about those devices now probe udev directly
[02:14] <chrisccoulson> "devicekit" was just a temporary daemon acting as a wrapper around udev to allow user applications to access it
[07:03] <dholbach> good morning
[07:11] <thekorn> good morning dholbach
[07:13] <dholbach> hey thekorn
[08:57] <theaaronc> Hello all. Question, would the BugSquad be an ok place for someone who is somewhat competent with Ubuntu but has never done anything within the community?
[09:01] <theaaronc> While I've used Ubuntu as a second partition on my machine for some time I only recently dropped windows all together. I'm looking for some way I can contribute, and the Ubuntu community page lead me to (among other things) the BugSquad info
[09:03] <theaaronc> it sounds like something that requires minimal knowledge and beyond operating the local desktop/server environment I fall into that catagory
[09:22] <theaaronc> guess I should have just read more. This line seems to answer my question "Bug triage is an excellent way to start helping out. You get to learn a lot about Ubuntu, its available packages, its infrastructure, and you get a feel for the development pulse."
[13:43] <mac_v>  could someone have a look at this Bug #416084  , this always happens to me ... do i have to add any additional info?
[13:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 416084 in thunderbird "thunderbird-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_main_do_event()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/416084
[14:25] <thekorn> mac_v, are you using the default theme?
[14:26] <mac_v> hmm. no
[14:26] <mac_v> i'm using silvermel ,
[14:27] <mac_v> theaaronc: silvermelXT , but i'v been having this problem always  :( only now it took the time to report it
[14:27] <thekorn> mac_v, can you reproduce this bug with the default theme
[14:27] <mac_v> hmm... let me check again
[14:28] <thekorn> I remeber a bug where somethng like this happend for some custom themes
[14:29] <thekorn> I think it was bug 135191
[14:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 135191 in mozilla-thunderbird "[GUTSY] thunderbird crashed x86-64" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135191
[14:31] <mac_v> thekorn: i think you are right ! its not crashing with the default theme! so where should this be reported
[14:32] <thekorn> mac_v, is the theme you are using in an official package?
[14:33] <thekorn> in this case you should report it against this package
[14:33] <mac_v> silly quest,  are there official themes  , i never knew... let me check
[14:34] <thekorn> what's the name of the theme?
[14:34] <mac_v> theaaronc:  silvermel is a thunderbird theme , not a gtk theme , that bug talks about a gtk theme
[14:35] <mac_v> oops , thekorn ^
[14:35] <thekorn> oh
[14:36] <mac_v> i'll try it with another different theme and see , i have been using silvermel for a very long time
[14:36] <thekorn> mac_v, In this case I think you should contact the author of this theme, report your bug there,
[14:36] <thekorn> and mark it as invalid for thunderbird
[14:37] <thekorn> but maybe double check with the people in #ubuntu-mozilla
[14:37] <pedro_> mac_v, just wondering, why did you tagged the bug as usability ?
[14:37] <mac_v> yeah , if it doesnt happen to any other theme , i'll mark it invalid , or if it happens with all themes , i'll leave it as such :)
[14:38] <thekorn> (or whatever this channel for the mozilla team is called)
[14:38] <mac_v> pedro_: it affects me using thunderbird ;p , i have not been able to use it when the setting was set to 1 min
[14:38] <thekorn> hey pedro_
[14:38] <pedro_> hello thekorn, how's going?
[14:39] <mac_v> pedro_: was that a wrong tag?
[14:39] <pedro_> mac_v, well in that case every single crash would be an usability issue :-P
[14:39] <mac_v> lol , true , i'll remove it :)
[14:40] <thekorn> pedro_, very good, how about you?
[14:41] <scream> CAn someone check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/416952
[14:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 416952 in ubuntu "Package not in repo" [Undecided,New]
[14:41] <pedro_> mac_v, no worries, thanks!
[14:42] <thekorn> scream, this is not a bug we can care about, you are using a third party repository for thunderbird
[14:42] <pedro_> thekorn, nice to know!. I'm good too ;-)
[14:42] <scream> I am?
[14:42]  * scream checks
[14:43] <scream> I have no third part repo's enabled.
[14:44] <thekorn> scream, ehmm, maybe not, but you are using a mirror, so maybe it is out of sync or such
[14:44] <thekorn> or just not available
[14:44] <thekorn> best is to check with whoever runs this mirror
[15:10] <scream> I actually just changed to the "main server" in the settings.
[15:10] <scream> I don't have time for mirrors who get out of sync.
[15:16] <mac_v> pedro_: thekorn i cant reproduce the problem with any other theme! so i guess i'll invalidate it and send an email to the dev :)
[15:17] <mac_v> thekorn: thanx for pointing it out  :) , this bugged me for god knows how long!
[15:46] <thekorn> mac_v, no problem, remember setting the status of the bug to invalid ;)
[15:47] <thekorn> and maybe add a comment which explains that this seems to be related to the theme
[15:47] <thekorn> for future references
[15:48] <mac_v> thekorn: will do , just have to restart for updates now  ;)
[15:49] <thekorn> super
[16:01] <jjardon> hello, Can someone confirm this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/416988
[16:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 416988 in network-manager "NetworkManager doesn't depend on hal" [Undecided,New]
[16:11] <thekorn> jjardon, sorry, but what exactly is the bug here?
[16:12] <thekorn> jjardon, ah, I think I got it now, the ubuntu package is still depending on hal, although it shouldn't
[16:12] <jjardon> thekorn, network-manager package is packaged with hal dependecy, and this is not necesary
[16:13] <jjardon> thekorn, correct ;)
[16:13] <dholbach> asac: ^ :)
[16:15]  * thekorn was about to do the same trick than dholbach
[16:16] <thekorn> ask someone who should have a answer to this ;)
[16:25] <asac> yeah... thats our ace ;)
[16:25] <asac> assigning to tony
[16:26] <asac> ok done
[16:26] <asac> jjardon: thekorn: dholbach: ^^
[16:26] <jjardon> great :)
[16:26] <asac> launchpad timeout :(
[16:26] <thekorn> super, thanks asac
[16:27] <goneri> Hi, how can I close this bug #347729 I did the patch and it's been accepted but I can close the bug. Should I use the "bts" command?
[16:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 347729 in bzr-fastimport "git-bzr doesn't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/347729
[16:27] <goneri> s/can/can't/ upse
[16:28] <jjardon> asac, only xorg-core and checkbox depends on hal rigth now :) (checkbox bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/checkbox/+bug/399319)
[16:28] <goneri> I can't find a documentation about that. Just this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl but
[16:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 399319 in checkbox "Remove the HAL dependency from Launchpad HWDB and checkbox " [Medium,Triaged]
[16:29] <asac> yes
[16:29] <asac> jjardon: are you sure we still build depend on it in karmic?
[16:29] <asac> yeah seems so
[16:29] <asac> ok
[16:40] <hessam> where can i find ubuntu security bugs ?
[16:41] <jdstrand> hessam: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/BugTriage#Existing%20Bugs
[16:42] <hessam> jdstrand, thanks
[16:49] <greg-g> pedro_: I guess [$distroname] in the summary is no longer needed/suggested?
[16:54] <pedro_> greg-g, i don't recall that was it ever suggested, but it's redundant if you use apport-bug since that information is available on the description
[16:56] <pedro_> greg-g, and it's better to update the description rather than the title if the bug affects more than one release, I've seen weird titles with [hardy..... karmic] or [karmic<->something] etc
[16:56] <greg-g> pedro_: right right. I guess it was always one of those things where I see other people doing it and joined in the fun :)
[16:56] <greg-g> heh, yeah
[16:57] <pedro_> remember: a kitten die if you do it :-P
[16:57] <pedro_> hggdh, how many kittens left do we have?
[16:57] <pedro_> :-P
[17:01] <hggdh> pedro_, I would guess we may be running out of them soon if we do not act ;-)
[17:02] <pedro_> lol
[21:58] <mac_v> pedro_: hi, could you take a look at this > https://bugs.launchpad.net/nautilus/+bug/416251/comments/5 , i'v attached a screencast of the problem
[21:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 416251 in nautilus "Nautilus does not show Desktop thumbnails" [Low,Triaged]
[21:58] <pedro_> mac_v, will do
[21:58] <mac_v> thanx
[22:02] <pedro_> mac_v, eek weird, is the file listed if you do: gvfs-ls from a terminal ?
[22:02] <mac_v> hmm.... will check
[22:03] <pedro_> there was something similar when we migrated to gvfs
[22:04] <mac_v> pedro_: yup the file gets listed , but is only not shown
[22:04] <pedro_> mac_v, ok thanks
[22:05] <mac_v> i'll add that to the upstream comment
[22:29] <BUGabundo> hey fellows


[20:23] <mhall119> pleia2: knome: the wiki permissions change should now be in effect for help.ubuntu.com/community/ as well
[20:23] <pleia2> cool :)
[20:24] <pleia2> someone who is not pleia2 or knome want to see if they can edit now? you do need to be in the launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad team
[21:23] <mhall119> ok, unfortunately it seems that everybody is getting only Immutable pages on help.u.c/community, so they're reverting the changes there until they can figure it out
[21:38] <mhall119> alright, sorry about that guys, hopefully we'll have better luck next week
[21:39] <pleia2> doh
[21:39] <pleia2> thanks for updating the thread
[21:57] <tsimonq2> pleia2: yeah, immutable: http://i.imgur.com/8geloL3.png
[21:58] <pleia2> we know
[21:58] <pleia2> see mhall119's comment :)
[21:58] <tsimonq2> :)
[21:59] <tsimonq2> pleia2: http://i.imgur.com/GxQY1It.png is a thing, I am going to see what happens when I uncheck and recheck ubuntu-etherpad, to see if it works properly (sorry if this is bothering or has already been done but I want to see for myself :P)
[22:00] <pleia2> good luck, hopefully it won't mess up your account x_x
[22:00] <tsimonq2> heh
[22:23] <pleia2> tsimonq2: you're a member through ~ubuntumembers, but approved your etherpad team request


[20:35] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** graysonguarino drafted [pull request #2508](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2508): Bump wl_seat to v8 and implement hi-res scrolling
[20:35] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[20:35] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > Fixes #2499 by bumping wl_seat to v8 (instead of the requested v7). v8 introduces high resolution scrolling.


[05:32] <zeroaccess> can someone assist me with udtc? I was running the command udtc android when I had a hardware failure and now when I try and run I receive an error.
[06:58]  * mlankhorst waves
[07:58]  * didrocks at CDG airport! Soon back home :)
[09:08] <willcooke> grumble grumble jet lag
[09:10] <didrocks> hey willcooke!
[09:11]  * didrocks grumble grumble not enough sleep on plane :p
[09:12] <willcooke> :D
[09:12] <dpm> hi desktoppers, good morning, everyone got home allright?
[09:13] <didrocks> dpm: not fully home yet, I'm in CDG. Boarding to Lyon is about to start (so should be home by 2PM)
[09:13] <didrocks> how about you?
[09:13] <didrocks> I'm only half-home because they at least speak French :p
[09:13] <dpm> :)
[09:14] <didrocks> dpm: how was your flight back home?
[09:14] <dpm> didrocks, had an uneventful trip, so all good. Managed to do some sightseeing in Georgetown in the afternoon on Sunday before leaving, that was good
[09:15] <didrocks> dpm: oh nice!
[09:15] <darkxst> whats with all the grumbly desktoper's ;)
[09:16] <didrocks> darkxst: heh, most of them are still travelling (like I) :)
[09:16] <didrocks> either because of long flight, or leaving yesterday
[09:16] <didrocks> argh, delayed boarding :(
[09:16] <didrocks> weather in CDG is crap, I didn't even see the track before we touched it when landing, was quite surprising…
[09:22] <willcooke> hi mlankhorst
[09:24] <mlankhorst> heya
[09:28] <willcooke> mlankhorst, welcome back :)  I've got a load of admin work to get through today, but I'll set up a meeting for us some time this week
[09:28] <willcooke> mlankhorst, in the meantime if there is anything you need just let me know
[09:31] <darkxst> I see
[09:31] <didrocks> ok, commit pushed, inbox 0, boarding in progress. Talk to you later guys!
[09:31] <willcooke> l8r didrocks
[09:31] <didrocks> good luck with the admin part :)
[09:33] <darkxst> hey seb128
[09:34] <darkxst> was wondering if you are ok with keeping gnome-icon-theme for the ubuntu delta
[09:34] <darkxst> that way we can just sync adwaita-icon-theme for 3.14
[09:35] <darkxst> (there are probably a couple of icons that will need to be copied across but nothing major)
[09:37] <Laney> 'for the ubuntu delta' = ?
[09:37] <Laney> we need to get that into main as a build-dep of some stuff anyway
[09:40] <mlankhorst> willcooke: sure
[09:42] <seb128> hey desktopers!
[09:42] <seb128> @g-i-t, what Laney asked
[09:42] <meetingology> seb128: Error: "g-i-t," is not a valid command.
[09:43] <willcooke> morning seb128
[09:43] <seb128> Laney, btw, saw bug #1386057
[09:43] <seb128> did you start on that?
[09:43] <Laney> I commented on the erroneous sync request
[09:43] <Laney> but no I didnt' review the merge
[09:43] <Laney> I have PP ctomorrow afternoon so just assign it to me
[10:10] <darkxst> Laney, gnome-icon-theme is split out into two packages, one with icons missing from humanity and the other with everything else
[12:30] <pitti> Good afternoon
[12:30] <desrt> pitti: hi!
[12:30] <desrt> home safe?
[12:32] <pitti> hey desrt
[12:32] <pitti> desrt: not quite, currently in Munich main station
[12:32] <desrt> DB still acting up?
[12:32] <pitti> desrt: nope, working well :) ICE is just starting
[12:32] <desrt> nice
[12:32] <pitti> so I'll be home in about an hour
[12:33] <pitti> the flight was quite well, I even slept for 4 h or so
[12:33] <pitti> and I still had an awesome day in DC yesterday
[12:33] <desrt> :)
[12:33] <desrt> glad to hear
[12:33] <desrt> didrocks: hey :)
[12:33] <didrocks> hello again the Internet! :)
[12:33] <didrocks> hey desrt ;)
[12:34] <didrocks> uneventful travel?
[12:34] <desrt> totally
[12:34] <desrt> the most interesting thing that happened is that just as we were about to take off they stopped everything and said "uh... it seems that we're missing a lot of bags.  we're going to try to get that sorted."
[12:34] <pitti> salut didrocks ! as-tu rentrer d'accord ?
[12:34] <desrt> and 15 minutes later we were off
[12:34] <pitti> rentré
[12:35] <didrocks> desrt: with uncertainty that your bag is in? :)
[12:35] <desrt> i got a shiny TSA sticker on my bag
[12:35] <desrt> maybe that's why it was delayed?
[12:35] <didrocks> pitti: très bien! aucun problème. Attendu un peu longtemps à Paris (d'où mes messages sur IRC ce matin ^), mais c'est tout! :)
[12:35] <pitti> didrocks: as-tu recevoir ta baggage cette fois ? :-)
[12:35] <didrocks> desrt: all YOUR fault! :)
[12:35] <didrocks> pitti: héhé oui! Je vais pouvoir faire de la lessive ;)
[12:36] <didrocks> pitti: et toi, tout s'est bien passé ?
[12:36] <desrt> pitti: they never forget your bag on the way home -- that's too easy to cope with :)
[12:36] <pitti> didrocks: oui; je suis dans le dernier train à Augsburg maintenant
[12:36] <didrocks> desrt: wrong, happened to me once! :)
[12:36] <didrocks> desrt: didn't need to even wait on the first luggage to arrive, everything was already prepared and they called me
[12:36] <pitti> desrt: I've never forgotten mine in any direction :)
[12:37] <didrocks> and 3 hours later, got it at home :)
[12:37] <didrocks> was a NICE service :)
[12:37] <desrt> this happened to me as well, in canary islands
[12:37] <didrocks> pitti: ah, bientôt rentré donc !
[12:37] <desrt> i think they've gotten quite used to madrid losing people's bags there :)
[12:37] <didrocks> desrt: direct flight or connecting?
[12:37] <didrocks> ahah, madrid
[12:37] <didrocks> yeah :)
[12:38] <desrt> they called a long list of names so there was a line, but it wasn't too bad
[12:38] <pitti> didrocks: pas de problème -- Deutsche Bahn est jamais en grève :-P
[12:38] <didrocks> pitti: contrairement à Lufthansa ? :p
[12:39] <didrocks> desrt: urgh, was better for me, it was only me, so I was even able to catchup an earlier train than if I had to wait for my luggage :/
[12:40] <desrt> so does anyone know where i download the sdk source from?
[12:41] <pitti> wow, this is a brand new train with apparently brand new internet, too
[12:41] <desrt> i want to figure out what's inside the guts of ubuntu::connectivity::NetworkingStatus
[12:41] <desrt> pitti: i hear the brand new internet is really boring.  nobody is on it yet.
[12:41] <desrt> stick with us on the old one :)
[12:41] <pitti> but it's really fast!
[12:41] <pitti> well, for starters, you guys are in it
[12:44] <didrocks> pitti: desrt didn't say we were not boring :p
[12:44] <desrt> didrocks: do you know where the sdk source is?
[12:45] <didrocks> desrt: I was going to point you to the qml one, then, I see you want the platform-api or qtubuntu one
[12:45] <didrocks> desrt: I'm looking which one of both contains the connectivity part, one sec
[12:46] <desrt> i'm looking for this one: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/networkingstatus/revision/1369
[12:46] <didrocks> hum, connectivity-qt1 doesn't seem in the ubuntu namespace though
[12:47] <didrocks> but yeah, seems it's that one
[12:47] <didrocks> let me find the source so that you don't need to apt-get source as you can't ;)
[12:47] <desrt> i have a vm :)
[12:47] <didrocks> oh, an utopic one?
[12:47] <desrt> ya
[12:47] <didrocks> so, just apt-get source libconnectivity-qt1-dev
[12:48] <desrt> thx
[12:48] <didrocks> yw!
[12:48] <didrocks> Ubuntu Connectivity Qt API
[12:48] <willcooke> ogra_, did that strange apt issue I saw last week get sorted out in the end?  The one Laney spoke to you about?  Do I need to do anything?
[12:48] <didrocks> desrt: ok, so we didn't mark the package name in the ubuntu namespace, but it's ubuntu specific
[12:49] <ogra_> willcooke, didnt get solved yet (none of these packages should even be installed on a desktop) i will work out an SRU this week for the dependency issue at least
[12:49] <willcooke> ogra_, thanks
[12:50] <desrt> didrocks: ya.. this is what confused me
[12:50] <desrt> looks like we have a separate dbus service already that looks at NetworkManager and republishes a new interface com.ubuntu.connectivity1
[12:50] <desrt> party.
[12:50] <didrocks> desrt: from another package, do you have the filename of the service file?
[12:51] <didrocks> desrt: breakfast party? ;)
[12:51] <desrt> i'm guessing /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/com.ubuntu.connectivity1.service
[12:51] <didrocks> nope
[12:51] <didrocks> or rtm-specific only
[12:51] <desrt> was just a guess :)
[12:51] <desrt> ya... seems to be on the phone only
[12:52] <didrocks> yeah, but if things would be logical… :)
[12:52] <didrocks> without the 1 either…
[12:52] <desrt> huh
[12:52] <desrt> seems to be coming from the network menu UI?
[12:52] <didrocks> hum? You are starting to scare me :)
[12:53] <desrt> remove the system- part from that filename?
[12:54] <didrocks> I only used the filename, still poking at http://packages.ubuntu.com/ + dlocate
[12:54] <desrt> it's not too important
[12:55] <didrocks> the easiest would to have a krylin device so dpkg -S the file
[12:55] <desrt> this will indeed reduce the amount of code running in the dash
[12:55] <desrt> so that's an improvement
[12:55] <desrt> too bad it comes at the cost of more code in another process
[12:55] <desrt> but that code is already there, so meh :)
[12:55] <didrocks> you are going to use this dbus service? (even if it's owned by the network menu UI?)
[12:55] <desrt> i'm not sure that it is
[12:56] <desrt> i only found a bug about the API that was filed against network menu
[12:56] <xnox> well one can chroot into krylin device image, if one first puts qemu static into it.
[12:56] <didrocks> there is no service in the libconnectivity* package source
[12:56] <desrt> xnox: hey!  how's your new world treating you?
[12:56] <didrocks> hey xnox :)
[12:56] <xnox> hola, hola.
[12:57] <xnox> desrt: good good. finally sorted out irc proxies to stay connected to all worlds at the same time.
[12:58] <desrt> didrocks: anyway.. i stopped caring :)
[12:59] <desrt> this does indeed seem to be better
[12:59] <didrocks> desrt: found nothing on the Internet
[12:59] <didrocks> let's use the ogra's hammer still :)
[12:59] <didrocks> ogra_: mind grepping for "connectivity" in /usr/share/dbus-1/*/* ?
[12:59] <didrocks> on your krylin device?
[12:59]  * desrt finds himself wanting a device for the first time
[13:00] <pitti> yay, in Augsburg; see you later
[13:00] <didrocks> pitti: see you! :)
[13:08] <ogra_> didrocks, sorry, i just did a brandnew bootstrap flash
[13:08] <didrocks> ogra_: that's good right? you will be able to grep on your new flashy installation ;)
[14:06] <ochosi> larsu: hey, since i talked to you last about gtkheaderbars and default apps, i was wondering about two things
[14:06] <ochosi> first, why is simplescan using a headerbar? (or is it not installed by default in ubuntu?)
[14:06] <ochosi> and second, i've noticed some corruption in evince, likely caused by the headerbar->toolbar patch. have you ever seen that? http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-10-27-124835.php
[14:07] <ochosi> (anyone else being in the knowing feel free to reply ^ )
[14:19] <willcooke> ochosi, larsu is off this week.  Perhaps desrt might be able to advise?
[14:19] <ochosi> ah, thanks willcooke!
[14:19] <ochosi> good to know
[14:20] <ochosi> what i probably haven't clarified is that i'm asking sorta "on behalf of xubuntu", so i've no idea what these things look like in unity (probably they're just fine, dunno)
[14:22] <desrt> ochosi: not really familiar with these issues, sorry :(
[14:23] <ochosi> desrt: no worries, i can wait until larsu is back
[14:53] <mhall119> halp! I upgraded to 14.10 last night, now mediascanner-service-2.0 is accessing my (spinning metal) disk constantly
[14:53] <mhall119> I kill it only to have it respawn and continue it's assault
[15:00] <stgraber> mhall119: just remove it? as far as I can tell by looking around here, you shouldn't have it on a desktop install
[15:01] <mhall119> stgraber: maybe remnants from some early touch related PPAs
[15:02] <mhall119> hmmmm, removing it wants to also remove ubuntu-sdk*
[15:02] <stgraber> bah, who needs that :)
[15:05] <mhall119> anyway I can kill this without uninstalling the SDK?
[15:06] <ogra_> stgraber, it also comes with desktop-next ... people having that installed alongside will see a lot of unwanted services atm ... we need to clean the seeds
[15:06] <ogra_> or make these services start conditionally
[15:07] <didrocks> mhall119: do you have a ~/Video directory? I heard that mediascanner2 reintroduce the bug that mediascanner1 had (like, defaulting to indexing ~ if ~/Videos or whatever your XDG paths point to doesn't exist)
[15:07] <mhall119> didrocks: yes I have ~/Videos/
[15:08] <mhall119> but it only has 105 files,and it's been scanning for almost 2 hours
[15:08] <didrocks> mhall119: and the music dir?
[15:08] <mhall119> 1066 files
[15:09] <didrocks> ok, dunno then, it shouldn't block you, you should ping jamesh
[16:08] <tkamppeter> willcooke, hi
[16:08] <tkamppeter> willcooke, IPP Everywhere SRU bug 1386241
[16:09] <willcooke> tkamppeter, awesome!  Thanks
[19:21] <willcooke> I'm outta here - tata
[19:45] <Noskcaj> seb128, I've contacted gnome-system-monitor's upstream dev and he's going to have the patch done in the next month or two. Sorry for not checking for headerbar while testing


[19:22] <donkeyofdarkness> Gnome 3 still needs some work but it's pretty good.
[19:24] <donkeyofdarkness> I think they should add some more customization options to it though. It's linux, not a mac.
[21:08] <funnylookinhat> I can't stand either Gnome 3 or Unity
[21:08] <funnylookinhat> And I don't understand what was so wrong with Gnome 2.
[23:49] <MitchM> heyo
[23:49] <FunnyLookinHat> Win!
[23:49] <Randen> double win!
[23:49] <FunnyLookinHat> For sure.
[23:50] <FunnyLookinHat> What you been up to?  Still in CO ?
[23:50] <Randen> yup
[23:50] <FunnyLookinHat> Where at?  I have yet to use it
[23:54] <FunnyLookinHat> I'm not a fan - but I think Gnome 2 + Docky is perfect...
[23:55] <FunnyLookinHat> It also was pretty buggy on my system for whatever reason - possibly my nVidia card...
[23:55] <FunnyLookinHat> But we have a bunch of members who are sold on it.
[23:56] <Randen> if you guys want to join snicers and my LAMP enthusiast skype channel, hit me up. skype id: aowie
[23:56] <Randen> aowie1*
[23:56] <Randen> what kind of system are you running it on?
[23:56] <skyjumper> do you have to be a LAMP *enthusiast*
[23:57] <FunnyLookinHat> A RUBY LOVER!
[23:57] <FunnyLookinHat> GET OUT OF HERE.
[23:57] <skyjumper> haha
[23:57] <FunnyLookinHat> LAMP is the ONLY way to go.
[23:57] <skyjumper> no, i'm working in PHP right now
[23:57] <FunnyLookinHat> Oh good.
[23:57] <FunnyLookinHat> hah
[23:57] <Snicersabc> lol
[23:57] <Snicersabc> The channel is good for anything LAMP related.
[23:58] <Snicersabc> Anyone have experience using denyhosts?
[23:59] <FunnyLookinHat> I haven't but I'm going to be implementing it pretty soon I think.
[23:59] <FunnyLookinHat> (as soon as we push this box live)