[11:12] <DamianFinol> Good evening, I'm trying to run my desktop as 1280x960, I was able to when I was under Debian and Windows, however I get a No valid modes for "1280x960" and it falls back to 1024. Any ideas? as to why?
[11:12] <bXi> DamianFinol: try to find your monitor in system administration panel
[11:12] <TheGateKeeper> corevette: modify your xorg.conf file assuming your monitor will support it
[11:12] <erUSUL> orasis1: right click in the m3u file go to properties>tab open with
[11:12] <u221e> Well, I just installed xgl/compiz... all I can say is :O
[11:12] <utab> Flannel : I could not understand why this became a pain for me
[11:13] <DamianFinol> bXi,  Devices?
[11:13] <Ropechoborra> I got an Intel Celeron 2.0 GHZ wich kernel fits best?
 but i dont know what to remove ?? I want to still have fb...
[11:13] <will_> u22ie I'm having a fair amount getting the compiz end running
[11:13] <Zkillz|Admin> Dr_Willis, I dont have that /etc/rc.local file? :(
[11:13] <Flannel> darkowl: fb?
[11:13] <utab> Flannel: It would be easier for me to install from scracth
[11:13] <will_> I just logged into XGL session, which is fine
[11:13] <orasis1> Eru, alright - and if I want them to stream from the browser, I guess i set it up in the browser correct?
 frame buffer
[11:13] <will_> but no compiz goodness ;_;
[11:13] <Flannel> !xgl
[11:13] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[11:13] <Dr_Willis> Zkillz|Admin,  odd.. i got one.. what version of ubuntu you using?
[11:13] <Zkillz|Admin> 5.10 breezy Dr_Willis
[11:13] <Zkillz|Admin> server
[11:13] <Zkillz|Admin> rc0.d/ rc1.d/ rc2.d/ rc3.d/ rc4.d/ rc5.d/ rc6.d/ rcS.d/
[11:14] <Zkillz|Admin> :(
[11:14] <Zkillz|Admin> all I found
[11:14] <DamianFinol> bXi,  Where exactly?
[11:14] <u221e> The rearrange windows effect is great...
[11:14] <Dr_Willis> Zkillz|Admin,  you are on your own then. I use dapper. check the ubuntu wiki/forums.. or upgrade.
[11:14] <u221e> No more hunting for the correct window in the task bar
[11:14] <Flannel> darkowl: well, right now, you're on an ubuntu-desktop with all the desktop stuff removed, so... you can easil creep up to what you want installed.  Once you get networking working
[11:14] <Zkillz|Admin> Dr_Willis, sorry. im not gonna use dapper, it doesnt work well for gameservers (trust me, I spent 20hours on formating, installing, fomrating, installing etc)
[11:15] <u221e> will_ what video card do you have?
[11:15] <utab> Flannel: have you noticed my last post
 but i cant get my connection to work...
[11:15] <SirKillalot> can I save a list of the installed .deb packages on my system to easily recover all installed packages when I reinstall my system?
[11:15] <tapas> hmm, weird somehow my altered kubunto squashfs system [where i only installed some additional packages]  complains about kio slave on startup
[11:15] <Flannel> darkowl: right, you'll have to ask someone here about it
[11:15] <Zkillz|Admin> well Dr_Willis, then you can help me with this: (one second=
[11:15] <tapas> and doesn't show the desktop icons
[11:15] <Zkillz|Admin> !pastebin
[11:15] <junkphreak> hey whats good program to check if the ati card is working for 3d
[11:15] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:16] <darkowl> Is here someone who has the connection working in ubuntu server ?
[11:16] <Zkillz|Admin> I found this guide about it Dr_Willis, I dunno where to put those lines then in that file, any ideas? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20482
[11:16] <Flannel> utab: It might very well be.  Especially if youve got a separate home partition
[11:16] <Flannel> darkowl: it should be the exact same as anyone else (well, sans the GUI tools).  Its all the same ubuntu
[11:16] <xBeetle>  If someone is able and willing to help me with my first steps on ubuntu (freshly installed) please query me. German language preferred, but i understand some english, too.
[11:16] <will_> u221e - some ati radeon card
[11:16] <will_> XGL session is running fine
[11:16] <Flannel> !de
[11:16] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:17] <will_> now that I fixed the display parameters in it
[11:17] <xBeetle> thx
[11:17] <utab> Flannel: I used this sources list http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20484
 well why isnt it working then...i used pppoeconf command in desktop versio too...so there shouldnt be any diference
[11:17] <will_> it's just I'm essentially running Gnome a la XGL since Compiz isn't working :p
[11:17] <utab> Flannel: What so
[11:17] <nixconverter> TheGateKeeper: I'm talking more like setting  up services or changing user details and such...yast can configure hardware or any other general setting
[11:17] <Flannel> utab: oh, you didn't put in your countrycode?
[11:17] <will_> cgwd doesn't even changed anything :/
[11:18] <Dr_Willis> Zkillz|Admin,    /etc/rc.local file is the file i just refered to - thats in dapper.
[11:18] <Flannel> utab: you're still using the same repository ;)  so, same problem
[11:18] <SirKillalot> need a bash pro: how do I filter out the second word of a line in bash?
[11:18] <SirKillalot> using pipes maybe..
[11:18] <edju> Trying to get a new install of ubuntu set up.  Followed the wireless directions on the forum and ndiswrapper -l says driver & hardware present, but no wifi yet.  WG511 pcmcia card.  Any pointers or hints?
[11:18] <Zkillz|Admin> Dr_Willis, perhaps somewhere in /etc/init.d/ ?
[11:18] <askjf>  Will a keyboard Video Monitor switch work on Ubuntu?
[11:18] <utab> Flannel: where to add the country code
[11:18] <utab> Flannel: are there other things to change
[11:19] <Dr_Willis> Zkillz|Admin,  see if thers some sort of rc.local named service in there.. or learn how to make your own server scripts from the examples in init.d
[11:19] <ardchoille> askjf: I have seen lots of folks using them
[11:19] <TheGateKeeper> nixconverter: sorry haven't heard of such a tool :-(
[11:19] <askjf> ok ty i just have one monitor and need 1 badly
[11:19] <Nsf-> i've installed opera and enabled smooth scrolling and still doesnt work :(
[11:19] <Nsf-> thx for any help
[11:19] <nixconverter> TheGateKeeper: I was just asking if there was one
[11:19] <mumbles> how do i get rid of stuff under the aplication menu ?
[11:19] <evan_w00> how do I solve the problem of "E: Couldn't find package rarlinux-3.6.b6.tar.gz" (sudo apt-get install)
[11:19] <mumbles> !applications
[11:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about applications - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:20] <Flannel> utab: country code in the source-list generator.  you'll end up with something like: us.archive.ubuntu.com instead of archive.ubuntu.com (thats forthe us mirror)  stuff like that, since archive.ubuntu.com is apparently having problems with you at the moment
[11:20] <ardchoille> mumbles: right click the applications menu, choose Edit Menus, then uncheck the items you dont' want to see
[11:20] <evan_w00> mumbles dont you uncheck the stuff in add application?
[11:20] <nixconverter> TheGateKeeper: I've never used Ubuntu just looking at some features
[11:20] <TheGateKeeper> nixconverter: to the best of my knowledge you have to do that manually, someone else may know differently
[11:21] <evan_w00> What does this mean? "E: Couldn't find package rarlinux-3.6.b6.tar.gz" specificly the "E:"
[11:21] <utab> Flannel: where can I find the country codes
[11:21] <Dr_Willis> error:  :)
[11:21] <evan_w00> oh lol
[11:21] <nixconverter> TheGateKeeper: manual is fine with me...don't worry about it...thanks
[11:21] <Dr_Willis> evan_w00,  could mean the server is slow/down
[11:21] <evan_w00> where should i place my tarball files?
[11:21] <utab> Flannel:I would like to try nearby countries as well
[11:21] <Flannel> utab: On that webpage, theres a box for your country code
[11:21] <EnsignRedshirt> Zkillz|Admin: Take a look at this page, especially the section called "Installing custom init-scripts"
[11:21] <evan_w00> Dr_Willis hmm it happened when i tried to install a tar file
[11:21] <utab> Flannel: Oh yes
[11:22] <void^> evan_w00: apt doesn't touch .tar.gz files.
[11:22] <EnsignRedshirt> Zkillz|Admin: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBootupHowto
[11:22] <Dr_Willis> evan_w00,  how are you 'installing' a tar file?
[11:22] <evan_w00> void^ Ohhh!!!
[11:22] <ravenous> tar.gz needs to be compiled from source
[11:22] <evan_w00> oh i see.
[11:22] <TheGateKeeper> nixconverter: ok :-) tried sourcemage myself today, sadly kde would not build :-(
[11:22] <Dr_Willis> heh -- yea.. big 'oops' :P
[11:22] <evan_w00> hehe, still brand new to linux
[11:22] <ardchoille> evan_w00: Which apps are you compiling?
[11:22] <onicrom> hi guys is there an edgy eft help channel?
[11:22] <Dr_Willis> and why havent you used the package manager to install the rar/unrar commands like weve said a dozen times?
[11:22] <evan_w00> ardchoille now im not sure lol, im so confused right now, Right now i want to try and install WinRAR
[11:23] <ravenous> onicrom: #ubuntu+1
[11:23] <onicrom> thanks
[11:23] <ardchoille> !rar > evan_w00
[11:23] <red|rain> hey everyone :) i'm looking for an image viewer I forgot the name but i'm sure it was mono based, anyone know which one im talking about?
[11:23] <Dr_Willis> You dont need 'winrar' :P the native rar tools for linux can do the jobs
[11:23] <will_> winRAR isn't really needed evan :p
[11:23] <evan_w00> oh.
[11:23] <will_> sarnath'd to the extreme
[11:23] <utab> # Automatically generated sources.list
[11:23] <utab> # http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[11:23] <utab> #
[11:23] <utab> # If you get errors about missing keys, lookup the key in this file
[11:23] <utab> # and run these commands (replace KEY with the key number)
[11:23] <utab> #
[11:23] <evan_w00> some of my files on my CD recieves an error.
[11:23] <utab> # gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv KEY
[11:23] <utab> # gpg --export --armor KEY | sudo apt-key add -
[11:23] <utab> # Ubuntu supported packages (packages, GPG key: 437D05B5)
[11:23] <utab> deb http://tr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted
[11:24] <utab> deb http://tr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted
[11:24] <utab> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted
[11:24] <lhds> i just want to ask if i wanted to install compiz on ubuntu with x 7.0 and a custom kernel <IP_ADDRESS> i download the same ubuntu packages? or i need special packages?
[11:24] <red|rain> evan_w00, if you need to unrar rar file download unrar in sypaptic or "sudo apt-get install unrar"
[11:24] <utab> # Ubuntu supported packages (sources, GPG key: 437D05B5)
[11:24] <utab> deb-src http://tr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted
[11:24] <Linuturk> !paste
[11:24] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:24] <ardchoille> !paste > utab
[11:24] <utab> deb-src http://tr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted
[11:24] <utab> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted
[11:24] <utab> # Ubuntu community supported packages (packages, GPG key: 437D05B5)
[11:24] <utab> deb http://tr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper universe multiverse
[11:24] <evan_w00> oh ok
[11:24] <utab> deb http://tr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates universe multiverse
[11:24] <utab> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security universe multiverse
[11:24] <utab> # Ubuntu community supported packages (sources, GPG key: 437D05B5)
[11:24] <ardchoille> utab: STOP
[11:24] <utab> deb-src http://tr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper universe multiverse
[11:24] <Linuturk> utab, stop
[11:24] <utab> deb-src http://tr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates universe multiverse
[11:24] <utab> sorry
[11:24] <Flannel> he cant stop.  he's in the middle of a paste.
[11:24] <utab> soory for that
[11:24] <Linuturk> !paste
[11:24] <Flannel> you people know that ;)
[11:24] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:24] <will_> lol
[11:24] <utab> ardchoille : sorry
[11:24] <Linuturk> Flannel, it's still annoying ;p
[11:24] <evan_w00> thanks guys.
[11:25] <ardchoille> Flannel: if he were int the middle, wouldn't it have pasted all at once without being interrupted by other peoples' posts?
[11:25] <sirjohn> utab,  you uisng mirc?
[11:25] <sirjohn> couse theres a way of quitting the past
[11:25] <tapas> ardchoille: nope
[11:25] <Linuturk> AND, you can use Control + C to stop a paste
[11:25] <ardchoille> ahh, I see
[11:25] <Flannel> ardchoille: it's flood protectin, thats how it works.  Clients set it up in a queue
[11:25] <ardchoille> Flannel: Thanks, didn't know that
[11:26] <Linuturk> Flannel, ^^ ardchoille : you can use Control + C to stop the paste
[11:26] <constantine-xvi> is there a good news ticker for the gnome panel?
[11:26] <Flannel> Linuturk: only on certain clients
[11:26] <ardchoille> Linuturk: Thank you, didn't know that either.
[11:26] <will_> Gnome seriously needs to port Super Karamba
[11:26] <red|rain> will_, whats wrong with gdesklets?
[11:27] <Nsf-> i've installed opera and enabled smooth scrolling and still doesnt work  thx for any help
[11:28] <Jmod> Hi noob here<--  I im installing  Macromedia Flash Player and it requires two font packages
[11:28] <Jmod>       to be installed, gsfonts and gsfonts-x11. how do I do this or is it saying to me that it is going to install it?
[11:28] <Flannel> Nsf-: sounds like an opera problem.  you might be better off asking them about it.
[11:28] <constantine-xvi> Jmod: it's doing it on its own
[11:28] <constantine-xvi> just a warning
[11:28] <Nsf-> okt tnx
[11:28] <utab> Flannel: I still get errors
[11:29] <Flannel> utab: which errors
[11:29] <Jmod> anyone?
[11:29] <Flannel> Jmod, constantine-xvi answered you
[11:29] <bXi> okay thats it
[11:29] <bXi> removing ubuntu again and installing windows
[11:29] <Gradius9> hi
[11:29] <Jmod> ok so it just a warning and I don't have to find the fonts to install then?
[11:30] <b14ck73425> hey everybody
[11:30] <constantine-xvi> Jmod: right
[11:30] <utab> Flannel: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20486
[11:30] <Jmod> cool thanks
[11:30] <b14ck73425> i need help with network printers
[11:30] <b14ck73425> can anybody help
[11:30] <EnsignRedshirt> b14ck73425: Just ask
[11:30] <EnsignRedshirt> !anybody
[11:30] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[11:31] <TheGateKeeper> b14ck73425: ask your specific question/problem
[11:31] <will_> red|rain - half the gDesklets apps are not only ugly but don't even _work_ on my system
[11:31] <will_> Super Karamba is more user-friendly and has a far better gui
[11:31] <b14ck73425> well i have a computer in my sisters room which is a windows pc and i have my linux pc in the basement, ive done it before but since i wiped and reinstalled the whole thing doesnt work
[11:32] <b14ck73425> the printing i mean
[11:32] <chalcedony> how do i move a file downloaded to 'desktop' to 'home' ? The file has spaces in the file name: This is File234.doc
[11:32] <TheGateKeeper> b14ck73425: just done this hang on...
[11:32] <red|rain> will_, ahh ic, I have only used gdesklets a couple of times. can you just use superkaramba in gnome? or is it kde only?
[11:32] <constantine-xvi> chalcedony: open home, drag file from desktop to home
[11:32] <will_> even if you've the kubuntu-desktop metapackage installed, Super Karamba stuff will only half work in gnome
[11:32] <TheGateKeeper> b14ck73425:   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingFromWinXP
[11:33] <eyequeue> chalcedony, mv This\ is* ~
[11:33] <chalcedony> connyosis: is there a non-gui way?
[11:33] <will_> and what does work is usually massively butchered
[11:33] <utab> Flannel: is there another way to upgrade
[11:33] <will_> which is a true shame
[11:33] <EnsignRedshirt> I don't know if I can help you, but I think it would be good to know which computer the printer is attacehd to, windows or ubuntu?
[11:33] <chalcedony> ahh ty ty ty ty
[11:33] <Flannel> chalcedony: you need to escape the spaces (\ ) tab complete will also do it for you
[11:33] <b14ck73425> ok thanks
[11:33] <red|rain> will_, ahh ok I gotcha now :)
[11:33] <will_> but using Gnome/XGL means more to me than widgets :p
[11:33] <will_> so, heh
[11:33] <b14ck73425> the printer is on a windows computer
[11:33] <utab> Flannel : were you able to check the errors
[11:33] <ardchoille> Flannel: got time for a quick pm?
[11:33] <eyequeue> chalcedony, yes, tab completion is your friend
[11:33] <Flannel> ardchoille: sure
[11:34] <profoX`> I upgraded a few packages to edgy, but I want to have them dapper again. This is possible, right?
[11:34] <profoX`> can dist-upgrade automatically downgrade packages
[11:34] <TheGateKeeper> b14ck73425: I am going to look at a little program to see if the winxp machine can resolve the linux pc's ip address in the next couple of days
[11:34] <eyequeue> profoX`, no
[11:34] <utab> Flannel: which country are you in
[11:34] <b14ck73425> ok cool let me know
[11:34] <Gradius9> I am going to install linux on a portable 120 mhz pentium, with 12 mb ram, is DSL the best alternative?
[11:34] <profoX`> eyequeue: thats lame..
[11:34] <Gnonthgol> Anyone know how to get exstra long error messenges?
[11:34] <profoX`> any advice then
[11:34] <will_> you ought to be able to 'sudo apt-get install package=version' and force it, IIRC profox
[11:34] <constantine-xvi> Gradius9: yeah
[11:34] <utab> Flannel: I will try yours
[11:34] <b14ck73425><EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you im
[11:35] <eyequeue> profoX`, will_
[11:35] <SEJeff> Gradius9: with 12mb of ram, don't expect any sort of gui other than the terminal
[11:35] <Gradius9> constantine-xvi, ok, thanks, have som problems installing it, any good way of formatting the disk
[11:35] <TheGateKeeper> b14ck73425: if the printer is on a winxp machine I would guess you need samba
[11:35] <b14ck73425> samba?
[11:35] <constantine-xvi> Gradius9: run cfdisk from dsl
[11:35] <Gnonthgol> Anyone know how to get hold of exstra long error messenges?
[11:36] <Gradius9> SEJeff, ok, but the dsl reqs. talks about 486
[11:36] <chalcedony> ~$ cd home
[11:36] <chalcedony> bash: cd: home: No such file or directory
[11:36] <chalcedony> ~$
[11:36] <will_> cd /home
[11:36] <EnsignRedshirt> b14ck73425: I don't know if this page will be helpful, but take a look: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPPrinter
[11:36] <will_> :p
[11:36] <eyequeue> chalcedony, cd ~
[11:36] <Gradius9> constantine-xvi, i have done it and it gives me fatal error
[11:36] <TheGateKeeper> b14ck73425: that is a slightly different problem, does the Printer wizzard not resolve it?
[11:36] <SEJeff> Gradius9: I am talking about a usable graphical interface. I dont 12mb will even allow x to work well
[11:36] <chalcedony> cd desktop ?
[11:36] <chalcedony> i mistyped
[11:36] <eyequeue> chalcedony, no, cd ~
[11:37] <TheGateKeeper> !samba > b14ck73425
[11:37] <gnomefreak> chalcedony: if you type cd it will send you to home
[11:37] <Gnonthgol> cd Desktop
[11:37] <will_> cd ~/Desktop or ./Desktop
[11:37] <chalcedony> cap D?
[11:37] <Gradius9> a terminal where I can use the mouse is the only thing I may need
[11:37] <will_> aye
[11:37] <gnomefreak> cd Desktop works fine
[11:37] <profoX`> will_: I know that.. but it's not what I need unfortunately :(
[11:37] <EnsignRedshirt> b14ck73425: There are a few other pages on the wiki about network printing... try searching for the title Printing
[11:37] <b14ck73425> im downloading samba right now
[11:37] <eyequeue> chalcedony, /home is not your $HOME
[11:37] <will_> ah sorry then profoX`
[11:37] <Zkillz|Admin> what was the comamnd to copy a folder to another location cp -R dir to/dir ?
[11:37] <b14ck73425> thanks ill try it and let you know
[11:37] <EnsignRedshirt> b14ck73425: Samba might work, but in theory at least, I don't think you should need it.
[11:37] <profoX`> $HOME is /home/$USER :)
[11:38] <Gnonthgol> Zkillz|Admin: just make new folder and copy contens
[11:38] <Gradius9> SEJeff, a terminal where I can use the mouse is the only thing I may need
[11:38] <TheGateKeeper> b14ck73425: not 100% sure that is the answer, like EnsignRedshirt said check the wiki site and ubuntu forums before blasting into it
[11:38] <utab> Flannel: Are you with me
[11:38] <Stormx2> hey folks, I saw on gnome-look someone demonstrating a theme and they had a start menu style app running on their gnome-panel. I've since forgotten what the actual item is, can anyone give me an idea?
[11:39] <ardchoille> Zkillz|Admin: cp -r /dir /desired/path
[11:39] <Zkillz|Admin> thanks
[11:39] <SEJeff> Gradius9: Ok that might work. What do you need the mouse for? emacs
[11:39] <b14ck73425> yeah im going to try what ubuntu said and then ill get back to you guys, thanks for the help
[11:39] <Zkillz|Admin> also, how to make a symbolic link, ex /home/cs/hi/ is /var/www/cstrike ?
[11:39] <TheGateKeeper> b14ck73425: I would have thought you just use the printing wizzard and tell it that you are using a network printer
[11:39] <utab> Someone from Belgium?
[11:39] <Flannel> Zkillz|Admin: ln
[11:39] <Gnonthgol> Zkillz|Admin: use the ls command in some way
[11:39] <Stormx2> utab: I'm pretty sure a lot of people are from Belgium
[11:40] <Zkillz|Admin> ln /blabla/ /bla/www ?
[11:40] <SEJeff> Stormx2: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_System_Panel
[11:40] <Zkillz|Admin> big thank you.
[11:40] <ardchoille> Zkillz|Admin: ln -s /source /target
[11:40] <b14ck73425> yeah im going to use the wizard
[11:40] <Zkillz|Admin> thanks
[11:40] <SEJeff> Stormx2: You can apt-get install it from QuinnStorm's compiz repository
[11:40] <will_> brb
[11:40] <will_> gonna restart X
[11:40] <will_> try and get this compiz shiznat working right
[11:40] <ardchoille> You're welcome :)
[11:40] <utab> Stormx2: I am in Belgium and havinf some problems with my sources.list
[11:40] <Gnonthgol> I got this realy long output on stderr and needs the first lines
[11:41] <Gnonthgol> utab: what kind of problem
[11:41] <utab> Flannel: do you have further suggestions
[11:42] <Stormx2> utab: what is the problem?
[11:42] <utab> Gnonthgol : please see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20486
[11:42] <Czubek> Hi all.
[11:42] <utab> Stormx2 :please see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20486
[11:43] <tapas> ok, i booted into the ubunto live cd.. running qt programs gives me: konqueror: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3: unexpected PLT reloc type 0x00
[11:43] <tapas> ugh
[11:43] <Gradius9> SEJeff, I am pretty used to work with a mouse...
[11:43] <Czubek> Can someone tell me why dhcp-server can't restart on my laptop?
[11:44] <tapas> 0
[11:44] <evan_w00> Can ubuntu open .RAR files?
[11:44] <evan_w00> or is it only zip?
[11:44] <ardchoille> !rar
[11:44] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[11:45] <evan_w00> ohhh neat :P
[11:45] <utab> Stormx2 : could you figure sth out
[11:45] <seatouch> !identd
[11:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about identd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:45] <seatouch> !identd
[11:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about identd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:46] <seatouch> !ident
[11:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ident - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:46] <will_> that's pretty gay
[11:46] <SEJeff> !xinetd
[11:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xinetd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:46] <ardchoille> !fishing
[11:46] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops
[11:46] <seatouch> lol
[11:46] <will_> I enabled xgl or composite or w.e in xorg
[11:46] <will_> and now compiz causes gnome and xgl sessions to restart x as soon as it finishes loading
[11:46] <will_> I had to load kde session
[11:46] <seatouch> anyone know a good ident server ?
[11:47] <utab> Gnonthgol : any suggestions for my problem
[11:47] <BHSPitMonkey> hey
[11:48] <red|rain> hey BHSPitMonkey :)
[11:48] <BHSPitMonkey> in livecd mode, can you install packages with apt? (in RAM)
[11:48] <sethk> utab, that looks like a bad download
[11:48] <sethk> utab, did you try to repeat it?
[11:48] <|thunder> Seantater, just get x-chat
[11:48] <utab> sethk : many times
[11:48] <|thunder> Seantater, its built in
[11:48] <sethk> utab, sorry, just got here.
[11:48] <seatouch> well can anyon tell me a good ident server ?
[11:49] <Seantater> |thunder: me?
[11:49] <|thunder> any thgught on why wine is auto minimizing the first window in a multi-window app, and you cant un-minimize it at all?
[11:49] <utab> sethk : I am at the university and the connection is quite fast
[11:49] <sethk> utab, you may need to delete the corrupt file
[11:49] <Seantater> |thunder: do I need x-chat?
[11:49] <red|rain> BHSPitMonkey, I don't think you can but you could try.
[11:49] <mdjake> hello
[11:49] <sethk> utab, possibly apt-get is saying "I don't need to download that, I already have it"
[11:49] <red|rain> mdjake, hey :)
[11:49] <mdjake> I need help with slab
[11:49] <|thunder> Seantater, no, but if you use it you dont need an ident server.
[11:49] <Seantater> |thunder: I perfer konversation, and it's what's built-in for Kubuntu
[11:49] <mdjake> if somebody uses it here...
[11:49] <tapas> hrm..
[11:49] <Seantater> |thunder: i'm being sarcastic
[11:49] <Seantater> |thunder: I doubt I;m the one you are intending to talkt ot
[11:50] <sethk> utab, I'm looking more closely, this may be something else entirely
[11:50] <|thunder> sarcasim is hard to convey in text
[11:50] <mdjake> slab = Suse 10 Menu
[11:50] <Seantater> |thunder: yes it is
[11:50] <y0rgos> Tamale, how can i help you?
[11:50] <Gnonthgol> I got this realy long error in scons and can not get the first lines of the error. Does anyone have an idea?
[11:50] <Ropechoborra> My pc is a little slow... and its a celeron 2.0 390 MB of ram ... any ideas why could be that ?? (im not runing any heavy programs..) just Gaim, amarok and xChat..
[11:50] <mdjake> does anybody use it here?
[11:50] <__mikem> I have a bunch of drm protected m4v files I want to convert to a format which I can burn to dvd, but I have no idea how to use mencoder, does anyone know how
[11:50] <|thunder> Seantater, you were the one that wanted an ident server , yes ?
[11:50] <utab> sethk : I am having these update problems from the first day I started to use ubuntu
[11:50] <Seantater> |thunder: nope, not me
[11:50] <red|rain> Ropechoborra, what are you use Gnome or KDE??
[11:50] <|thunder> Seantater, my bad
[11:50] <Ropechoborra> Gnome
[11:51] <|thunder> by bad. that was seatouch
[11:51] <Seantater> |thunder: :)
[11:51] <Warbo> __mikem: I can use Mencoder, but would it work with encrypted stuff?
[11:51] <utab> sethk I am trying to upgrade eventually
[11:51] <seatouch> heh
[11:51] <red|rain> Ropechoborra, ahh try XFCE gnome is a memory hog search synaptic for xubuntu-desktop
[11:51] <seatouch> |thunder never mind found it nyways
[11:51] <Gnonthgol> Ropechoborra: Ithink your PC is slow because it is a Celeron
[11:51] <mdjake> my problem is that only 6 favourite applications shows up no matter how much I add to the gnome-main-menu
[11:52] <Ropechoborra> Gnonthgol but... it wasnt so slow in windows =/ =S
[11:52] <utab> how to change the color of messages that are written for me
[11:52] <red|rain> Gnonthgol, Celerons rock!!
[11:52] <__mikem> warbo, mplayer can read the files
[11:52] <Ropechoborra> red|rain how would the command be?
[11:52] <utab> sethk: are you in Belgium
[11:52] <sobieski> !soundblaster
[11:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about soundblaster - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:52] <Tear> best mp3 player?
[11:53] <red|rain> Ropechoborra, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[11:53] <sethk> utab, no, in usa
[11:53] <Ropechoborra> Tear Try amarok
[11:53] <jatt> amarok
[11:53] <utab> Tear: amarok
[11:53] <mdjake> does anybody use Dapper here with some eyecandy like xgl/compiz and SLED menu?
[11:53] <sobieski> !sound
[11:53] <ubotu> If sound is not working, first try system -> prefrences -> multimedia system selector change it to alsa. If you still have problems then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[11:53] <Gnonthgol> AmoroK rocks
[11:53] <pequatre> _mikem, maybe with vlc, "open file (advanced)" and check "output stream" or somethg
[11:53] <sethk> utab, can you try to dowload, manually, one of the "failed to fetch" files listed at the end?
[11:53] <Warbo> __mikem: Oh, OK. Do you want to convert them directly to an MPEG2 format for DVD, or just get them into a non-DRM format? (Basically, I always use Xvid, so I don't know the exact syntax for MPEG2)
[11:53] <sethk> utab, have you already tried that?
[11:53] <tamale> Which instructions should I use for installing the latest nvidia drivers?
[11:53] <scrappy_> Tear: if you want something like winamp then xmms amarok is nice but bloated
[11:53] <utab> sethk: no
[11:53] <__mikem> Warbo, I want them to go dirrectly to MPEG2
[11:53] <Arcane_NH> just d/led both the x86 and AMD 64 versions.  Each time it dies when attempting to mount the root file system.  Something about the hdc ide, expected NULL result.
[11:53] <|thunder> tamale, just use automatix
[11:54] <sethk> utab, try it, I'd like to see if the resulting file will uncompress
[11:54] <|thunder> that way you dont have to mess with xorg
[11:54] <tamale> |thunder:   You sure?
[11:54] <Warbo> __mikem: Ah, well I know the general syntax, but the manual page is too HUGE to find the option names
[11:54] <utab> sethk can you help me how to do that
[11:54] <sethk> utab, I pop in and out depending on what's going on here, but I'll try to pop back shortly
[11:54] <Gnonthgol> I got this realy long error in scons and can not get the first lines of the error. Does anyone have an idea?
[11:54] <|thunder> tamale, its what i always use. works great
[11:54] <sethk> utab, sure, paste the url into  your browser
[11:54] <__mikem> Warbo, I can settle for just stripping the drm
[11:54] <tamale> |thunder:  I'm not scared of editing xorg.conf by hand
[11:54] <sethk> utab, line 072 of your post is the first url to try
[11:55] <tamale> |thunder:  Doesn't automatix install a lot of other things too
[11:55] <killdashnine> hi all
[11:55] <sethk> utab, there is an extra space in the URL, so remove it (on that line between restric and ted/binary)
[11:55] <red|rain> killdashnine, hi :)
[11:55] <Ropechoborra> red|rain what did u say it does??
[11:55] <|thunder> if you install with just apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-glx you have to switch to the nvidia from mesa manully and there is no config applet. if you use automatix you get the config app
[11:55] <Warbo> "mencoder -oac <audio format> -ovc <video format> -<video format>opts <option>=<value>,<option>=<value>,etc -<audio format>opts <option>=<value>,etc -o <output file> <input file>"
[11:55] <TheGateKeeper> tamale: editing by hand is far safer, automatrix is more likely to break things
[11:55] <|thunder> tamale, installs what you select.
[11:56] <red|rain> RobNyc_C, it will install the XFCE desktop which is good on systems with low cpu and/or ram www.xfce.org
[11:56] <tamale> |thunder:  Well, we already did the apt-get for nvidia-glx and it didn't work
[11:56] <tamale> |thunder:  Will using automatix now work?
[11:56] <TheGateKeeper> !xorg
[11:56] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:56] <utab> sethk I pasted and removed the space
[11:56] <TheGateKeeper> tamale: ^^^^
[11:56] <Gnonthgol> Can someone pleese ask me what my problem is?
[11:56] <|thunder> tamale, you need nvidia-kernel-common too
[11:56] <y0rgos> Guys im having a hell of a time trying to get my auto syncronize time working.. it never grabs the real time
[11:56] <Ropechoborra> red|rain is it something like gnome or kde?
[11:56] <ravenous> anyone know if k3n supports .img offhand?
[11:56] <sethk> utab, ok, did you get the file?
[11:56] <ardchoille> tamale: automatix is quite ot for this channel. it isn't supported or recommended
[11:56] <ravenous> k3b even
[11:56] <utab> sethk nothing happens
[11:56] <red|rain> Ropechoborra, yep
[11:57] <gnomefreak> Gnonthgol: just tell us your problem if someone knows they will help you
[11:57] <|thunder> tamale, 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-glx'
[11:57] <Warbo> For example I usually use something like: "mencoder -oac mp3lame -ovc xvid -xvidencopts bitrate=256 -lameopts br=64 -o output.avi input.mpeg"
[11:57] <Gnonthgol> I got this realy long error in scons and can not get the first lines of the error. Does anyone have an idea?
[11:57] <tamale> ardchoille Can you help then?
[11:57] <ardchoille> tamale: No with automatix
[11:57] <__mikem> Warbo, thanks
[11:57] <__mikem> hold that thought I need to go to dinner
[11:57] <sobieski> I have ubuntu in swedish, how can i find "Multimedia Systems Selector"?
[11:57] <Warbo> __mikem: "br=64" may be "b=64"
[11:58] <|thunder> tamale, if your get these two packages and modify xorg, it will work with openGL
[11:58] <utab> sethk: I can not download that
[11:58] <TheGateKeeper> sobieski: for firefox?
[11:58] <sethk> utab, do the url without Packages.gz.  I just tried that here and I get a list of files.  se if you get the list
[11:58] <tamale> |thunder:  I'm pretty sure that's exactly what i did, but upon restarting X nothign came up
[11:58] <tamale> the monitor was in standby
[11:58] <existance> The mic on my headset isn't working with 'Sound Recorder' could someone direct me to some resources to fix it?
[11:58] <sethk> utab, it's interesting that there is no Packages.gz file in that directory.
[11:58] <bluefox83> where can i find video codecs like debian's w32codecs?
[11:58] <|thunder> tamale, how old is the card ?
[11:59] <tamale> it's a 7900 GT
[11:59] <sethk> utab, that suggests an error in your dpkg database somewhere.
[11:59] <sobieski> TheGateKeeper:  the how to says System > Preferences > Multimedia Systems Selector
[11:59] <Warbo> !w32codecs
[11:59] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:59] <|thunder> bluefox83, try #automatix
[11:59] <ardchoille> tamale: The first thing I recommend you do is open a term and type:  sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bak   <-- that will make a backup of it just in case.
[11:59] <tamale> ardchoille:  Done
[11:59] <utab> sethk what next
[11:59] <TheGateKeeper> sobieski: misinterpreted sorry, probable need to ask someone who use gnome
[12:00] <killdashnine> i am trying to get samba to work with standard ubuntu repositories but both binary and hand compiled source packages segfault. i even tried a subversion source compile which resulted in the same behavior. any reason why this should happen? i have never seen samba do this before and it worked perfectly fine with 5.10
[12:00] <sethk> utab, let me look around a bit.  I'll be back in a few minutes.
[12:00] <utab> sethk thx for the interest
[12:00] <evan_w00> im so lost in linux... so users can only manipulate folders in their home?
[12:00] <existance> The mic on my headset isn't working with 'Sound Recorder' could someone direct me to some resources to fix it?
[12:00] <|thunder> evan_w00, yep.
[12:00] <sobieski> TheGateKeeper: could you tell me what the icon for "Multimedia Systems Selector" is
[12:00] <sethk> utab, ok.  Let me make sure I'm interpreting this correctly.
[12:00] <Arcane_NH> Hey guys I can't get ubuntu to fully start from the CD-rom


[05:53] <thatgraemeguy> morning peoples
[05:59] <nuvolari> o/ morning
[07:36] <Kilos> morning all
[07:54] <nuvolari> Hallo oom Kilos :)
[07:54] <Kilos> lo nuvolari  :D
[07:55] <superfly> good evening
[08:16] <thatgraemeguy> anyone here from bloem?
[08:17] <mazal> Mornings all. Happy new year
[08:18] <thatgraemeguy> thanks mazal and you too :)
[08:18] <thatgraemeguy> oh and happy happy to everybody, I didn't really do that yet o_O
[08:19] <mazal> thatgraemeguy: Did you have some holiday at least ? Last time we spoke you were working when others were resting :P
[08:19]  * thatgraemeguy mumbles something about working hard
[08:19] <thatgraemeguy> no I get my rest during the year mostly
[08:19] <thatgraemeguy> we spent a couple of nights at a lodge, childless
[08:19] <thatgraemeguy> lodge run by friends.... that was great
[08:19] <mazal> Nice :)
[08:20] <thatgraemeguy> and going camping in 2.5 weeks
[08:20] <thatgraemeguy> maybe throw in a nearby 4x4 trail
[08:20] <mazal> So have everyone set up their goals yet ? hehehehe
[08:21] <mazal> Mine is setup and started
[08:21] <mazal> Well 1 of it anyway lol
[08:21] <thatgraemeguy> I'm not much one for looong holidays, I tend to take/make long weekends during the year, I recharge plenty from that
[08:21] <thatgraemeguy> my goal is to not run out of money because I just bought the house we've been renting
[08:21] <mazal> I never take more than 2 weeks at a time. Unable to take longer due to lack of manpower at work
[08:22] <thatgraemeguy> I've never taken a break that long, I get bored :D
[08:22] <mazal> In the good old days I took a whole month every year
[08:22] <mazal> It takes me 2 weeks just to get all the work crap out of my system and then start to relax
[08:22] <thatgraemeguy> and expensive
[08:22] <thatgraemeguy> although with the kids now being a bit older I could see myself going camping for a week
[08:22] <thatgraemeguy> relatively inexpensive and the kids love the crap out of it
[08:23] <mazal> Crazy what holidays cost these days
[08:23] <mazal> Mostly the tracel and accomodation
[08:23] <thatgraemeguy> yeah :-o
[08:23] <mazal> travel*
[08:23] <thatgraemeguy> at least diesel is down 78c now, so our drive will be slightly less tearful in 2 weeks :-D
[08:23] <mazal> I never go away , can't even remember the last time I was away
[08:25]  * mazal throws Kilos with a paper ball
[08:25] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:25] <mazal> Happy new year oom :)
[08:26] <Kilos> evening superfly thatmaz
[08:26] <mazal> Finally the year for a new Ubu for me , looking foward to April
[08:26] <superfly> mazal: you're strong... or Kilos is small and light.
[08:27] <mazal> hehehe , hi superfly
[08:27] <superfly> mazal: you threw Kilos, that's pretty amazing.
[08:27] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:28] <mazal> Will finally see how it runs on a SSD
[08:28] <Kilos> ive lost some weight
[08:28] <Kilos> sounds good mazal
[08:28] <Kilos> hope you have a great year this year
[08:28] <thatgraemeguy> Kilos: I think I found it :P
[08:28] <thatgraemeguy> damn holidays
[08:28] <mazal> Dankie vir oom ook
[08:28] <Kilos> what that?
[08:29] <thatgraemeguy> I found the weight you lost
[08:29] <Kilos> ive been hunting for it for many years
[08:29] <Kilos> oh hhaha
[08:29] <thatgraemeguy> december is beer season :-/
[08:29] <mazal> Went to a birthday braai last week , found out that my belt suddenlt don't fit anymore :P
[08:30] <Kilos> i can still wear the suit i married ians mother in
[08:30] <zipper> Hello people of ZA
[08:30] <Kilos> well the one i wore back then
[08:30] <mazal> They don't make stuff the same anymore , they shrink :(
[08:30] <Kilos> hi zipper
[08:30] <zipper> Why do you call SA ZA?
[08:30] <thatgraemeguy> hello person that helps keep my pants up
[08:30] <mazal> Hi zipper
[08:31] <Kilos> zuid afrika
[08:31] <zipper> thatgraemeguy: zippers are not belts.
[08:31] <Kilos> old dutch name for sa
[08:31] <zipper> or buttons
[08:31] <zipper> Kilos: I see
[08:31] <zipper> zuid is south?
[08:31] <thatgraemeguy> my pants can stay up without a belt
[08:31] <superfly> Maaz: tld for South Africa
[08:31] <Kilos> yes
[08:31] <Maaz> superfly: The tubes are clogged!
[08:31] <thatgraemeguy> but if the zipper fails, not so much :P
[08:31] <superfly> Maaz: well unclog them!
[08:31] <Maaz> superfly: Huh?
[08:31] <Kilos> haha
[08:32] <zipper> thatgraemeguy: Buttons?
[08:32] <thatgraemeguy> never mind the joke isn't funny if it gets dissected this far :'(
[08:32] <zipper> thatgraemeguy: You gotta get a belt for sagging your pants
[08:32] <zipper> thatgraemeguy: I am bad at jokes lol
[08:33] <zipper> I guess I'm too old for low pants anyway.
[08:33] <Kilos> oh my
[08:33] <Kilos> hipsters still the most confortable pant to wear
[08:33] <mazal> All my pants are low , below the belly lol
[08:33] <Kilos> im just old enough
[08:33] <thatgraemeguy> no boxers are the most comfortable pants to wear
[08:34] <zipper> SWEATPANTS
[08:34] <thatgraemeguy> they are typically frowned upon as office attire though for some reason
[08:34] <Kilos> yeah
[08:34] <mazal> NO PANTS
[08:34] <superfly> Pants on the ground! Pants on the ground!  Hate any kind of long pants of which uniform is the worst
[08:35] <thatgraemeguy> 7ish years ago that video had the whole office in tears
[08:35] <superfly> ... the only one that got my reference was thatgraemeguy
[08:36] <zipper> LOL 7 years ago I might've been too young
[08:36] <thatgraemeguy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMwhl4IrPNc for the uninitiated
[08:36] <zipper> Kilos: KENYA
[08:36] <Kilos> oh yes
[08:36] <Kilos> stickyboys replacement
[08:36] <zipper> Kilos: LOL how dare you :D
[08:36] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:37] <zipper> sticky's replacement but with terrible punctuation.
[08:37] <zipper> I have a terrible keyboard.
[08:42] <zipper> The comment "Probably the best thing that has ever come off of American Idol. Prove me wrong."
[08:42] <zipper> thatgraemeguy: ^
[08:43] <thatgraemeguy> easy to prove wrong...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szJ6OxvS_mM
[08:48] <zipper> thatgraemeguy: LOL who are you? and why do you know so many american idol funny videos?
[08:49] <thatgraemeguy> that's pretty much the only 2, sorry..... they kinda went viral at the office at the time
[08:51] <zipper> thatgraemeguy: What do you think about "hoverboards"?
[08:51] <thatgraemeguy> I think its a shame they don't exist yet as BTTF promised us
[08:59] <zipper> haha true those things don't hover why are they called hoverboards?
[09:10] <MaNI> because the world has been taken over by shameless marketers and our legal system doesn't care
[09:18] <magespawn> good morning
[09:18] <superfly> hi magespawn
[09:19] <magespawn> hi superfly, on holiday?
[09:24] <superfly> magespawn: nope, at work
[10:15] <magespawn> bbl
[11:05] <magespawn> good afternoon
[11:05] <magespawn> superfly sorry to hear that.
[11:29] <gremble> Good afternoon
[11:29] <Kilos> hi gremble magespawn
[11:29] <Kilos> hot tody
[11:29] <Kilos> today
[11:29] <Kilos> 32°c in house
[11:30] <gremble> Kilos, you don't perhaps know where to go to query traffic fines? They're blocking me from taking out a vehicle license for a bogus fine that I didn't even know about :/
[11:30] <Kilos> lemme ask grem
[11:30] <Kilos> ble too
[11:30] <gremble> :P
[11:30] <thatgraemeguy> paycity.co.za
[11:31] <thatgraemeguy> if you are with fnb you can search fines from internet banking
[11:32] <Kilos> up paul kruger, right in visagie and opposite the town hall is the trafic department
[11:32] <Kilos> i hope i have the town hall right
[11:32] <gremble> It is for R1450. I can't really pay. I was at the traffic dept, but they don't want to help me. The fine isn't even in my name. -.-
[11:32] <Kilos> wow
[11:33] <Kilos> whose name is it in
[11:34] <Kilos> oh you were at tha traffic dept. speak to management if they dont want to hlp you at the counters
[11:34] <thatgraemeguy> lol management
[11:34] <Kilos> ya the higher ups like fighting their underlings
[11:34] <Kilos> its a power thing
[11:35] <gremble> It is for driving without a licensed issued in 2013. I got my license in 2010. So I don't know what is going on
[11:35] <gremble> Theo Martins or someone
[11:35] <Kilos> or fone the pta
[11:35] <Kilos> um
[11:35] <thatgraemeguy> and that is logged against your ID number?
[11:35] <gremble> Yes
[11:36] <Kilos> head of the town
[11:36] <Kilos> um
[11:36] <gremble> and my driver license
[11:36] <thatgraemeguy> htf
[11:36] <thatgraemeguy> ow, man I don't know what to do in that case :-/
[11:36] <Kilos> mayor
[11:36] <Kilos> everything crooked
[11:36] <thatgraemeguy> http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/forumdisplay.php/164-Motoring-and-Transportation-Cars-Bikes-and-Planes, post here and ask advice
[11:37] <gremble> Bleh. Guess I am going to have to go back
[11:37] <gremble> Alright. Thanks thatgraemeguy
[11:37] <Kilos> my car was stolen and 2 years after cops brought a guy here with same kinda car but he had it registered to him 2 years before mine was stolen already
[11:38] <Kilos> corruption everywhere
[11:39] <gremble> I'M finishing my degree then moving to a country with proper public transport to do my postgrad at
[11:39] <gremble> I hate cars and driving so much
[11:39] <gremble> It justs costs me money
[11:41] <Kilos> same as false id documents
[11:41] <Kilos> info gets sold
[11:42] <thatgraemeguy> I love driving but it is pretty expensive
[11:42] <thatgraemeguy> unless you want to drive a waching machine
[11:42] <thatgraemeguy> Chery QQ, Chevy Spark, that whole family of appliances :-p
[11:44] <Kilos> haha
[16:10] <Kilos> inetpro ping
[17:02] <superfly> Kilos: leave magespawn's connection man! :-P
[17:20] <Kilos> haha
[17:29] <Kilos> i wonder if its just irc or his whole internet connection
[17:46] <inetpro> good morning everyone
[17:46] <Maaz> inetpro: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell inetpro QA cant do the announce thing" 23 hours, 2 minutes and 16 seconds ago
[17:46] <Kilos> haha
[17:46] <inetpro> oh and pong to oomKilos
[17:46] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[17:47] <Kilos> can you do some work for me please sir
[17:47] <Kilos> add an agenda link with the basics there
[17:47] <Kilos> oh and
[17:48] <Kilos> you and fly ignored my suggestion about our first meeting here on the 26th
[17:49] <Kilos> weather liar says tomorrow 2 degrees hotter than they predicted for today
[17:49] <Kilos> i mailed pieter about a meeting
[17:50] <Kilos> hope he is ok
[17:51] <Kilos> wow i forgot about the QA message even
[17:53] <inetpro> remind me tomorrow again Kilos
[17:54] <Kilos> ok
[17:54] <Kilos> during the day?
[18:04] <Kilos> oh my superfly now you doing it
[18:10] <Kilos> you bored jellie
[18:40] <jellie> Kilos: Bored? No I have to cook.
[18:40] <jellie> Why do you ask?
[18:40] <Kilos> the nick changes
[18:41] <gremble> They're just a jelly luvpanda zipper
[18:42] <Kilos> lol
[18:43] <gremble> I caught a scorpion in my room
[18:43] <gremble> I like Living in South Africa
[18:43] <Kilos> free food
[18:44] <Kilos> just cut off the stinger first
[18:44] <gremble> No Kilos
[18:44] <gremble> That is really weird
[18:44] <gremble> I can get food from the fridge
[18:44] <Kilos> hahahaha
[18:45] <Kilos> put it in the fridge then you know where to get it when hungry
[18:45] <gremble> I put it on my desk
[18:45] <gremble> It is called Charles
[18:45] <Kilos> you name scorpoins?
[18:46] <Kilos> scorpions
[18:46] <gremble> Anything interesting that wanders into my room will get named
[18:46] <Kilos> and say im weird
[18:46] <gremble> I'm not the one eating things that arent made of food
[18:46] <Kilos> lol
[18:50] <Kilos> whe hungry one can eat nearly anything
[18:50] <Kilos> im sure monkeys eat scorpion
[18:51] <Kilos> s
[18:51] <Kilos> hey gremble did you get licence stuff sorted
[18:51] <gremble> No. Not yet.
[18:51] <Kilos> ai!
[19:01] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[00:19] <rick_h_> bah, shold have looked harder for your nick aisrael
[00:19] <rick_h_> I was trying to tab complete stone<tab> and ar<tab>
[00:19] <rick_h_> not sure what I thought the second one was lol
[00:49] <smoser> hey. aisrael welcome. saw your response above as: madam, I'm adam
[01:31] <jrwren_> cmaloney: Duanne overdosed on heroine I'm not sure if I'd call that bucking the trend.
[01:31] <jrwren_> cmaloney: some of their best material is after he is gone :(
[03:25] <cmaloney> jrwren_: Kind of my point, though Dwayne did mark a turning point for the band
[11:24] <rick_h_> morning
[11:24] <rick_h_> and such
[13:37] <brousch_> jrwren_: You bought a $60 Android tablet and expect it to be a good device representative of Android?
[13:58] <cmaloney> good morning
[13:58] <cmaloney> Who wouldn't? :)
[14:01] <brousch_> I just read the article on Windows 8 with Bing. They run everything from compressed images, on slow CPUs with 1GB RAM?!
[14:01] <brousch_> http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-fights-android-and-chrome-os-with-dirt-cheap-windows-8-1-pcs-and-tablets-7000033274/
[14:02] <brousch_> Most likely from low end flash RAM that gets slower over time
[14:02] <brousch_> flash memory
[14:03] <jrwren_> yes.
[14:03] <jrwren_> why wouldn't it?
[14:03] <jrwren_> I can buy the cheapest apple iOS tablet and it is an excellent repreentation of iOS.
[14:03] <brousch_> You are being silly
[14:03] <jrwren_> brousch_: I know :)
[14:04] <jrwren_> I really should try a $300 android tab for comparison.
[14:04] <brousch_> But now i kind of want this Windows tablet to see if it actually runs at all
[14:04] <jrwren_> can't compare software... have to compare products at same price points.
[14:05] <brousch_> And how do updates apply to the compressed system images?
[14:05] <brousch_> It would be a miraculous feat of engineering if it actually worked
[14:07] <jrwren_> agreed.
[14:08] <jrwren_> I really need someone to teach me how to use android some day.
[14:08] <jrwren_> because, for me,  its harder to use than emacs
[14:10] <brousch_> I have an iphone user transitioning to Android right now. So far no problems
[14:10] <brousch_> I was surprised as he was a fairly gung-ho Apple guy
[14:12] <jrwren_> brousch_: maybe 4.1 was extra bad.
[14:12] <jrwren_> brousch_: I can't find apps. They get installed, adn tehy show up 20 pages to the right on the "desktop"
[14:12] <jrwren_> UNUSABLE!
[14:12] <brousch_> I really don't even remember 4.1. I went 2.3 to 4.03 to 4.2+
[14:13] <jrwren_> it might not even be 4.1
[14:14] <brousch_> Well all of the apps are in the app drawer. How that's sorted depends on what your manufacturer decided to use
[14:14] <jrwren_> http://www.amazon.com/Avatar-Sirius-S702-R1B-2-7-Inch-Tablet/dp/B00CWKVJOW%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q%26tag%3Dduckduckgo-d-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB00CWKVJOW
[14:14] <jrwren_> yup, 4.1
[14:14] <jrwren_> *sigh* app drawer... sometimes I remember how to find that. sometimes I don't.
[14:15] <brousch_> usually it's the middle icon on the bottom row of every home screen
[14:15] <jrwren_> I should stop my bitching and root the thing.
[14:16] <brousch_> though it is possible to delete it. then the default physical button will usually open it too
[14:16] <brousch_> hm, maybe not
[14:17] <brousch_> jrwren_: You should be running Ubuntu Touch!
[14:17] <jrwren_> brousch_: if I knew how to install it on there, I would.
[14:22] <brousch_> I feel like it's taking a long time to become available
[14:32] <cmaloney> geez, you folks are wordy this morning.
[14:33] <jrwren_> Its friday.
[14:33] <brousch_> :P
[14:33] <brousch_> jrwren_ got me all worked up
[14:33] <jrwren_> brousch_ loves the android. I don't even understand it.
[14:34] <brousch_> I like Android. It's not perfect, but it's sort-of Linux in everyone's pocket
[14:34] <brousch_> I would prefer a full OS, exspecially on tablets
[14:34] <brousch_> The 'x' is for 'extra'!
[14:36] <jrwren_> hahaha, thanks for calling it "sort-of Linux" :)
[14:37] <jrwren_> Its Linux in that its a fork of the kernel, only. Beyond that kernel fork it has almost nothing else in common with other Linux distros.
[14:37] <brousch_> It's Linux, Jay, but not as we know it, not as we know it, not as we know it.
[14:37] <jrwren_> brousch_: if that is a star wreck reference, you have made my day.
[14:37] <brousch_> :-D
[14:38] <jrwren_> There's Klingons off the starboard bow... scrape 'em off captain.
[14:41] <brousch_> hm, there's an x86 emulator image for Ubuntu touch. I don't remember that before
[14:42] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE
[14:42] <cmaloney> That's the reference ^^
[14:49] <wolfger> brousch_++
[14:49] <wolfger> OMG, it's on YouTube?
[14:51] <wolfger> I'm sorry I watched that. It sounded much better in my memory with Nostalgia™ enhancement.
[14:51] <jrwren_> cmaloney: i thought that song was used in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wreck
[14:53] <cmaloney> wolfger: I think it was remixed / enhanced on the Doctor Demento disc I have.
[14:56] <brousch_> I only know it from youtube
[16:42] <wolfger> Teenager arrested for making pot brownies faces possible life sentence. A rich old man named Ilitch is busted for felony cocaine possession, winds up with probation and rehab. God bless the United States of Money Worshipping.
[16:42] <greg-g> move to CA, WA, or CO where we respect your pursuit of happiness
[16:43] <wolfger> Nah. Not me. Beer's legal everywhere. I'm good. :-)
[16:43] <greg-g> :)
[16:44] <greg-g> Weed's safer than alcohol ;)
[16:44] <wolfger> so I hear. But I like drinking a lot more than I like smoking.
[16:44]  * greg-g nods
[16:44] <wolfger> And I like brewing a lot more than I like farming.
[16:44] <greg-g> as a respectable upstanding citizen, I do neither anymore, really
[16:49] <jrwren_> you don't grow your own barley?
[16:53] <wolfger> no, although I have thought about malting my own barley
[16:54] <wolfger> I decided it's best for the beer if I let the pros do the malting, and best for my pocketbook if I let the pros do the farming
[16:54] <jrwren_> wolfger: really?!?
[17:00] <wolfger> really to which part? Buying grain is much cheaper than buying farmland and equipment, yes.
[17:01] <greg-g> <insert paleo response to how intensive grain production is and why it's dumb except on industrial scales>
[17:01] <wolfger> Also, I would then be limited to making beer after harvest :-p
[17:01] <greg-g> says the guy who had honey bunches of oats this morning for breakfast (thanks work kitchen)
[17:02] <wolfger> I'd even be willing to pay a little more to support a local barley farm, but.... there's still the malting issue. There is one malthouse I know of in Michigan. I need to contact them again.
[17:17] <cmaloney> <insert skeptic response on how Paleo is based on flawed reasoning and is probably only good for reducing your intake of processed foods>
[17:17] <greg-g> define "paleo" ;)
[17:17] <greg-g> means very different things to different people, but yeah, less processed food == good :)
[17:18] <cmaloney> I define paleo as the people who use it as a modified Atkins diet.
[17:18] <greg-g> that's still too broad of a category, but ok ;)
[17:19] <greg-g> because "modified atkins" can just mean "anything that says limit carbs"
[17:19] <cmaloney> I'm being glib as well
[17:19] <greg-g> which is, well, a bunch of modern science and part of most healthy diets ;)
[17:19] <greg-g> cmaloney: when aren't you? ;)
[17:19] <greg-g> just don't be Gib, that'd be mean to take over that role.
[17:20] <cmaloney> hah
[17:20] <cmaloney> Well, on NPR...
[17:20] <cmaloney> I dunno.  I wish I knew some.
[17:54] <greg-g> probably 90% of carrie's calories come from people we talk to once a week
[17:54] <greg-g> I'm less than that because I'm not really consistent and eat out at work
[17:54] <greg-g> (carrie and rowan's)
[17:55] <jrwren_> you are even bigger local eaters than we are.
[17:55] <jrwren_> so jealous.
[17:56] <jrwren_> then again.. you talk to the people when you eat out and they bring you your food, so all those calaries come from people you talk to.
[17:58] <cmaloney> I can barely talk to the cashier at the checkout.
[17:58] <cmaloney> That's enough social interaction. ;)
[18:01] <jrwren_> I always say "burito please" to the person at chipotle
[18:07] <brousch_> I point and grunt.


[00:27] <bryce_> bwahahaha http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/complete-graphs/xserver-xgl/plots/xserver-xgl-fullyear-open.png
[06:11] <pwnguin> bryce_: what's that graph about?
[06:12] <pwnguin> a lot of bugs closed apparently
[06:12] <bryce_> yeah we finally killed off xgl
[06:13] <pwnguin> ah
[06:21] <bryce_> more graphs here:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Plots/
[07:36] <tjaalton> crevette: so the layout works now?
[07:36] <crevette> yep
[07:37] <crevette> hello :)
[07:37] <tjaalton> excellent
[07:55] <tjaalton> sigh, firefox gfx get corrupt on me both on hardy and intrepid.. I need to move the mouse to another window to refresh the contents
[07:55] <tjaalton> wonder what's going on
[09:04] <seb128> tjaalton: hi
[09:07] <seb128> tjaalton: bug #268395, bug #268384, bug #268320, something is broken in your changes
[09:14] <tjaalton> seb128: isn't that what mvo did?
[09:15] <seb128> oh
[09:15] <seb128> tjaalton: sorry, I though that was the evdev thingy
[09:15] <seb128> mvo: ^
[09:15] <tjaalton> seb128: maybe they didn't get the xkb-data update which made them try the capplet
[09:16] <seb128> tjaalton: depends should assure they get it
[09:16] <tjaalton> seb128: yeah, well I didn't add one :/
[09:16] <tjaalton> it's a bit late for that too
[09:16] <mvo> seb128: I have a look
[09:16] <seb128> mvo: I'm fixing the retracers to get you a good stacktrace
[09:19] <mvo> hm, that is code that I haven't really touched, maybe some sort of side effect
[09:19]  * mvo looks closer
[09:20] <seb128> one of you broke it and I'll let you discuss the details ;-)
[09:20] <seb128> it's either the evdev changes or the gnome-control-center changes
[09:21] <tjaalton> highly unlikely that the ruleset change broke this :)
[09:21] <tjaalton> but I'm all ears
[09:23] <seb128> bug #268320 has a correct stacktrace now
[09:27] <seb128> tjaalton: the description on bug #268395 suggests that the issue not a gnome-control-center one, the guy went to the capplet to try fixing his layout which has been broken on upgrade
[09:28] <seb128> ah you already commented on this bug
[09:29] <tjaalton> yes, there were a few similar reports
[09:30] <jcristau> depending on the new xkb-data would probably fix it?
[09:30] <tjaalton> yes
[09:31] <tjaalton> but by the time it hits the archive everyone should have it installed already (or would get the right version on upgrade=
[09:31] <tjaalton> )
[13:28] <mvo> should nvidia work with 2.6.27-2 ? and if so, what do I need to do if it does not :) ?
[13:43] <tjaalton> mvo: 177 works for me
[13:45] <mvo> tjaalton: it seems like I have no kernel module, can I force dkms to build me one?
[13:46] <tjaalton> mvo: yes, there's a bug where it's all documented how to recover.. a sec
[13:48] <tjaalton> mvo: bug 261816
[13:48] <mvo> thanks tjaalton!
[13:48]  * mvo hugs tjaalton
[13:48]  * tjaalton hugs mvo back
[13:49] <tjaalton> the package should clean up old versions, but I'm not sure where tseliot is with it
[13:51] <tseliot> tjaalton: problems?
[13:54] <tjaalton> tseliot: we discussed that nvidia-glx-177 should clean up those old dkms directories
[13:55] <tseliot> tjaalton: yes, I haven't worked on it yet
[13:55] <tseliot> I'll do it ASAP
[13:56] <tjaalton> tseliot: thanks :)
[15:13] <tjaalton> wgrant: does the mouse caplet support setting Horiz/VertEdgeScroll?
[15:24] <mvo> if bug #261816 is fix commited, why did I still see it :) or can we add some code that resolves the issue automatically instead of printing "multiple versions in DKMS" and failing to start X ?
[15:26] <mvo> what does "nvidia: AUTONINSTALL not set in its dkms.conf" tell me ?
[15:31] <tjaalton> mvo: the package no longer leaves cruft behind, that's why it's marked as fixed. upgrades still fail though, and tseliot will fix that
[15:31] <mvo> ok
[15:32] <tseliot> yes, I will
[15:32] <tseliot> I'm working on jockey and xkit right now, though
[15:33] <mvo> great, what does  "nvidia: AUTONINSTALL not set in its dkms.conf" mean? I get this when I reinstall linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[15:35] <mvo> now that is confusing, nvidia-177.70 in /usr/src has AUTOINSTALL=true
[15:49] <mvo> hm, apt-get install nvidia-glx-173; apt-get install nvidia-glx-177 fixed it - i guess apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-177-kernel-source as well
[15:49] <mvo> I wonder if it is worth adding that to friendly recovery ...
[16:06] <tjaalton> wgrant: sorry, I meant Horiz/VertTwoFingerScroll
[16:07] <tseliot> mvo: it doesn't find autoinstall because it doesn't find any dkms.conf
[16:07] <tseliot> because some half empty directories are still in /var/lib/dkms/nvidia when they shouldn't
[16:16] <mvo> aha, ok
[16:20] <tseliot> mvo: BTW I'll give you a new release of nvidia-common soon so as to solve the bug I told you about
[16:20] <mvo> great :)
[16:20] <mvo> so its probably not woth adding code to friendly-recovery?
[16:25] <tseliot> mvo: I'm referring to the fact that some proprietary drivers don't work in Intrepid and that therefore we'll have to set a free driver during the dist-upgrade
[16:26] <mvo> oh, right
[17:21] <bryce_> tjaalton: how can I help with bug 267682?
[17:25] <johanbr> tseliot: Recent nvidia drivers give a lot of rendering bugs for me. In firefox, a lot of pages don't render properly until I click somewhere in the window. Is this a known bug?
[17:57] <bryce_> johanbr: check bugs.launchpad.net to see if it's known
[17:57] <johanbr> I did. Didn't find anything.
[18:25] <bryce_> johanbr: go ahead and file one - include your Xorg.0.log and a screenshot or photo showing the rendering problems
[18:26] <bryce_> johanbr: unfortunately since it's a proprietary driver, there may not be much we can do about it, but it may be useful info to someone
[18:28] <jcristau> reporting it to nvidia might, or might not, be more useful
[18:30] <tseliot> johanbr: hmm, sounds like a bug which affected 177.67 and was fixed in 177.68 or .70
[18:49] <tseliot> bryce_: did you have a look at my 2 new patches for the screen resolution capplet?
[18:54] <johanbr> tseliot: I see. I'll have a look if the driver is fully updated. Thanks.
[19:04] <tjaalton> tseliot: I'm seeing that same rendering bug on both hardy (169.12) and intrepid (177.70)
[19:05] <tjaalton> bryce__: well, we need to decide *how* to fix it
[19:08] <bryce__> tjaalton: I'm still trying to understand it
[19:08] <bryce__> tjaalton: unfortunately, I don't seem to have exactly the same media keys as the T61, so am not sure I'm able to reproduce it
[19:08] <bryce__> however my sleep button (Fn+F1) does nothing either (but I can't reproduce mdz's troubleshooting)
[19:09] <bryce__> unfortunately some of my media keys lock up the machine
[19:09] <tjaalton> bryce__: the thing is that evdev grabs the input device which produces those events
[19:09] <tjaalton> so the events are not passed on to g-p-m
[19:10] <tjaalton> since it appears to only listen to hal
[19:10] <tjaalton> I haven't dug beyond that
[19:10] <bryce__> (as an aside, I notice in my Xorg.0.log that evdev is setting up 1 mouse (/dev/input/event7) and three keyboards (event5, 6, 1)
[19:12] <bryce__> so, would we need to make g-p-m listen to X as well, or make evdev pass the events back to hal?
[19:12] <tjaalton> the former
[19:13] <tjaalton> the quirky way would be to use fdi-files that would make evdev not grab these devices
[19:13] <bryce__> I assume g-p-m has code to listen to -kbd; do you think it needs modified to listen to -evdev?
[19:13] <bryce__> or is there something we can do on the X side?
[19:13] <tjaalton> kdb doesn't grab those devices
[19:13] <tjaalton> kbd
[19:14] <bryce__> hm, well how did it work before?
[19:15] <tjaalton> that's a valid question which I can't answer to :)
[19:15] <bryce__> how do I see the events?  I'd like to verify that I can reproduce the problem, but catting /dev/input/event* when hitting the sleep key does nothing
[19:15] <tjaalton> gpm listened to hal or something
[19:15] <tjaalton> use evtest
[19:17] <bryce__> what package has evtest?
[19:17] <tjaalton> dvb-utils :)
[19:17] <bryce__> ok weird
[19:18] <bryce__> got a bunch of mknod/makedev errors when installing it; hope that's normal
[19:19] <tjaalton> yeah it tries to run MAKEDEV dvb
[19:19] <tjaalton> pretty useless these days
[19:23] <bryce__> okay... now how do I use it?  :-)
[19:23] <bryce__> I get the same output for event 5,6,1, and no response when I hit Fn+F1
[19:25] <bryce__> well, event1 gives different output, but also no response for this key
[19:26] <bryce__> it is showing "Event code 142 (Sleep)"
[19:26] <tjaalton> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/45445/
[19:26] <bryce__> Event code 152 (Coffee)  heh
[19:26] <tjaalton> yeah, lock screen :)
[19:26] <tseliot> bryce__:  did you have a look at my 2 new patches for the screen resolution capplet?
[19:27] <tjaalton> so, when you first run it, it should dump the keycodes the device supports
[19:27] <tseliot> tjaalton: 169.12 won't be fixed anyway
[19:28] <bryce__> tseliot: not yet; it was on my todo list for today but this hotkey stuff got bumped to higher priority
[19:28] <tjaalton> tseliot: the thing is that I only started seeing it fairly recently, which makes it even more strange
[19:29] <bryce__> tseliot: well, I mean reviewed the patches, but I haven't packaged/uploaded them yet
[19:32] <bryce__> tseliot: since there's a good bit of cnew ode there it may require a FFe unfortunately
[19:32] <bryce__> er s/cnew ode/new code/
[19:42] <bryce__>  boy I'm not even sure where to start looking in g-p-m
[19:43] <tseliot> bryce__: ok, no problem. If you have doubts I'll be glad to answer
[19:43] <tseliot> tjaalton: it might be something else then
[19:43] <tseliot> tjaalton: that triggers the problem in the driver. Maybe firefox?
[19:44] <tjaalton> tseliot: could be, or some lib
[19:45] <bryce__> tseliot: sure, I may be able to get to it today.  If I could show you my todo list here by my computer, those uploads are literally the next thing on my todo list.  :-)
[19:58] <bryce__> ahh, Fn+F1 is hibernate, not sleep
[20:00] <bryce__> tjaalton: are we sure that the bug affects all laptops, and not just T61's?
[20:03] <tjaalton> bryce__: mine is X61, and pitti has a dell..
[20:03] <tjaalton> so it does affect more than just T61
[20:04] <bryce__> ah, I misremembered; I thought you had a T61
[20:04] <tjaalton> I also have an old T23
[20:05] <bryce__> ok well I can't see that SLEEP is mapped to any hotkeys on this dell
[20:06] <bryce__> the hibernate key doesn't work, nor does the "BATTERY" key (Fn+F3), although I don't know what BATTERY *should* do...  but all the remaining media keys are working fine
[20:06] <bryce__> unfortunately I have no non-dell laptops
[20:07] <tseliot> bryce__: don't worry, I believe you ;)
[20:07] <tjaalton> bryce__: the battery key opens a pop-up that shows how your battery is doing
[20:10] <bryce__> huh interesting; never seen that work
[21:22] <bryce_> hmm, so I've found with gnome-keybinding-properties, that Suspend was not mapped to a key, and that I could easily map it to that function by just hitting it.  hmm
[21:22] <bryce_> still doesn't trigger hibernate though
[21:55] <bryce_> tjaalton: what do you see in gnome-keybinding-properties?
[22:35] <tjaalton> bryce: nothing there
[22:37] <tjaalton> also, evtest doesn't show any output (apart from that initial blurp) when evdev has grabbed the device
[22:37] <tjaalton> forgot about that
[22:38] <bryce> tjaalton: ah okay, yeah I didn't see output from that either for any buttons
[22:39] <bryce> where does acpi stuff get logged?  mdz said he saw log messages about acpi calls, but didn't say where and I can't find those on my system
[22:40] <tjaalton> dunno
[22:40] <bryce> hrm
[22:40] <bryce> well /etc/acpi/*btn.sh don't seem to get called when hitting the corresponding buttons
[22:41] <bryce> (or at least, I haven't found evidence they're getting called)
[22:44] <bryce> I'm not sure it'd work even if it did get called though...  KEY_SUSPEND=205 however xev shows keycode 213 = (keysym 0x1008ff10, XF86Standby)
[22:44] <bryce> but maybe that doesn't matter.
[22:46] <bryce> running /etc/acpi/sleepbtn.sh does work though... and freezes X on resume
[22:46] <bryce> but that's a separate issue
[22:46] <bryce> feh
[23:02] <tjaalton> I'll continue with it tomorrow.. night
[23:06] <wgrant> tjaalton: Not at this point. I'd be happy to work on adding those and other buttons now that it doesn't mean an awful hack in the driver.
[23:07] <wgrant> Just on/off, tap-to-click, horiz scroll, vert scroll are options at the moment.
[23:13] <bryce> night tjaalton


  Stick them in the drives of a few model computers.  Reboot into Live session.  Leave store.
[07:16] <tonyyarusso> What do you think?
[07:17] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: if you don't get caught, you are good
[07:17] <Burgundavia> if you do, prepare to visit at least the store manager
[07:18] <Burgundavia> better to get some ubuntu postcards/brochures made and put them in the cd drive
[07:18] <Burgundavia> or on the machine, around
[07:19] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Would it have any chance of actually being illegal, or just cause them to be displeased?
[07:20] <tonyyarusso> Postcards IN the drive?
[07:20] <Burgundavia> you could firmly escort you out and blacklist you
[07:20] <Burgundavia> maybe call the cops for "damaging equipment"
[07:20] <tonyyarusso> Hmm...
[07:20] <Burgundavia> most people do not under livecds
[07:20] <tonyyarusso> "Damaging"?  But....
[07:20] <tonyyarusso> Right.
[07:21] <tonyyarusso> What are the odds of the store manager actually agreeing to let me if I ask sweetly?  Probably not to good because it would have to be approved by some corporate office I imagine.
[07:22] <Burgundavia> I have a snowball. Please go to hot place and tell me if it survives
[07:22] <Burgundavia> if it does, your answer is yes
[07:23] <tonyyarusso> Am I allowed a cooler?
[07:24] <Burgundavia> no
[07:24] <tonyyarusso> Dang.
[07:24] <Burgundavia> honestly, you best bet are smaller computers stores
[07:24] <tonyyarusso> Well, on the plus side (?), stores often seem to be understaffed and it's impossible to get helped in a timely manner, so I can probably get away with it unseen anyway.
[07:24] <Burgundavia> yes
[07:24] <tonyyarusso> I'll definitely be checking those out too; I just don't know what stores there are.
[07:25] <Burgundavia> a better bet might be smaller stores
[07:25] <Burgundavia> independents
[07:25] <tonyyarusso> Sigh.  It would look better with official pressed CDs, but they don't want to send me more for the time being it seems.
[07:25] <tonyyarusso> I shall be hitting the yellow pages for those then.
[07:25] <Burgundavia> how many have you gotten?
[07:27] <tonyyarusso> I ordered 25 Dapper ones in May.  They just declined an order this week for 10.
[07:27] <Burgundavia> right
[07:27] <Burgundavia> they are getting pretty tight with them
[07:27] <Burgundavia> lots are not getting to the right place
[07:27] <tonyyarusso> Understandable I guess, but it was really cool for a while.
[07:28] <Madpilot> like the ones for sale on EBay? :|
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> What do you mean?
[07:28] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: or the ones getting destroyed
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> What?  Eww...
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> By customs, shipping, other?
[07:28] <Burgundavia> no, some idiots
[07:28] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, ah yes, the ones being axed on youtube...
[07:29] <Burgundavia> welcome to the world kid
[07:29] <Burgundavia> you can get blank, prelabelled cds
[07:29] <Burgundavia> we should probably investigate that
[07:30] <Burgundavia> let me see on my company wiki, I may have a manufacturer
[07:30] <tonyyarusso> That would be nice.
[07:31] <Burgundavia> http://www.discmakers.com/duplicators/products/cdr105.asp
[07:31] <Burgundavia> got 890 dollars?
[07:32] <tonyyarusso> Um, yes, but I'm holding onto it.
[07:32] <Burgundavia> so do I
[07:32] <Madpilot> likewise ;)
[07:32] <Burgundavia> however, if you got you own cds, you could sell them, for a modest cost like $5
[07:33] <tonyyarusso> I'd rather not, really.
[07:34] <tonyyarusso> Maybe take donations, but I don't want to charge if I can avoid it.  I guess the bank statement will decide, ultimately.
[07:34] <tonyyarusso> So far all I've sunk in is like $15 in photocopying flyers.
[07:34] <Burgundavia> the advantage of selling stuff is you could sell a pack to a store to resell for you
[07:34] <Burgundavia> plus then people value it
[07:35] <tonyyarusso> True..
[07:35] <tonyyarusso> But I don't think as many CDs would get distributed.
[07:35] <tonyyarusso> Maybe less; $1 apiece would more than recover the materials cost, and my time is cheap (apparently $8/hr).
[07:36] <Burgundavia> $5 is good because it looks like it costs something, but not too much
[07:36] <Burgundavia> if you design an attractive stand, I bet most computer stores would take it
[07:36] <tonyyarusso> Do you do this yourself?  I'm a little surprised by the idea of selling them, frankly.
[07:37] <Burgundavia> no, I don't
[07:37] <Burgundavia> something I simply have not had the time to set up
[07:38] <Burgundavia> selling stuff is not evil
[07:39] <tonyyarusso> Evil, no.  What I'm wondering about though is whether it would be more or less effective.
[07:40] <Burgundavia> depends entirely on buyin from computer stores
[07:42] <tonyyarusso> Maybe I could then do things like "For every 25 you sell, I give you 5 free" and that sort of marketing mumbo-jumbo to encourage them to take some initiative in pushing them too.
[07:44] <Burgundavia> ype
[07:50] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/
[07:50] <johnlittle> ubucon video up
[07:51] <Madpilot> cool. Burgundavia, any footage of you in that?
[07:51] <whiprush> cool
[07:51] <Burgundavia> I hope not
[07:51] <Burgundavia> umm, yep
[07:51] <Burgundavia> that would be me
[07:52] <whiprush> in your marketing Splunk tshirt
[07:52] <whiprush> there's that kde guy asking all those questions again
[07:56] <Madpilot> whiprush, guy in the white shirt is you, right?
[07:57] <whiprush> the round one, yeah
[07:57] <rjian> Burgundavia u there?
[07:57] <Burgundavia> rjian: I am
[07:59] <johnlittle> add both or your names to the video description
[07:59] <johnlittle> added
[07:59] <rjian> hmm theres a section on community news on site ryt? can i contribute news coz there will be an event comming this september 16 about FOSS..
[07:59] <Burgundavia> rjian: upcoming events?
[07:59] <Burgundavia> hmm
[07:59] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: lovely ;)
[08:00] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: the big guy is Jorge Castro
[08:00] <rjian> Burgundavia: I mean we will have an FOSS events on our place and UBuntu cd's will be giving away..
[08:00] <Burgundavia> right
[08:00] <Burgundavia> I would advertise that to your locoteam
[08:01] <rjian> Burgundavia: Ah ok.. aside from Ubuntu cd's, SFD and IOSN will also help..
[08:02] <Burgundavia> if you are an ubuntu member, planet ubuntu is a good place for your blog
[08:02] <Burgundavia> currently we don't have a "community events calendar"
[08:02] <Burgundavia> we should probably get one
[08:04] <rjian> Burgundavia: maybe i should post it on UBuntu wiki our weekly news.. if what happent to the events..
[08:04] <Burgundavia> sorry, don't follow
 sorry, don't follow << what do u mean?
[08:06] <Burgundavia> I didn' understand what you said
[08:07] <rjian> ah ok
[08:07] <rjian> Burgundavia: maybe i should post it on UBuntu wiki our weekly news.. if what happent to the events..
[08:07] <rjian> sorry wrong windows
[08:07] <Burgundavia> right, that was the same thing
[08:07] <Burgundavia> you want to add it UWN?
[08:07] <rjian> yup its a news of FOSS ryt?
[08:07] <rjian> i mean Community new?
[08:07] <rjian> news
[08:09] <Burgundavia> yes, but not really UWN material
[08:09] <Burgundavia> we need a calendar for upcoming events, to point to
[08:09] <rjian> ah ok..
[08:24] <johnlittle> I added a mention about the penguin bowl too
[08:25] <Madpilot> you have a bowl of penguins?
[08:26] <johnlittle> corey does
[08:27] <Burgundavia> I, jorge and mdy have a glass penguin statue
[08:27] <Burgundavia> each, I should say
[08:28] <mindspin> I'm thiking about buying this painting...http://www.trinkausstellung.de/bilder/urlaub_bei_freunden.jpg
[08:28] <johnlittle> You're not still carrying it around with you everywhere you go are you?
[08:29] <johnlittle> nice
[08:30] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, did you take yours to the bar like whiprush did? ;)
[08:30] <Burgundavia> no
[08:30] <Burgundavia> but Jorge took his to the bar the night he won it. Let us just say he was glad I was sober
[08:31] <Madpilot> you were designated penguin-hauler, were you?
[08:31] <johnlittle> Looks like taking it to the bar wasn't a bad idea
[08:33] <johnlittle> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3257942968983462203&q=ubucon
[08:33] <johnlittle> it's gonna be Corey Burger week on Ubuntu Video ;)
[08:35] <Burgundavia> oh sweet jesus
[08:35] <johnlittle> ;)
[08:36] <Burgundavia> he said he didn't know how the video would come out
[08:36] <Burgundavia> I was hoping for crap...
[08:37] <johnlittle> that's good stuff..wish i had more videos like it
[08:37] <johnlittle> I'm going to run out of ubuntu material soon
[08:37] <whiprush> heh
[08:37] <Burgundavia> apparently I videotape better than I thought
[08:37] <Burgundavia> whiprush: damn you! for something...
[08:37] <Madpilot> I'm still watching the Ubucon presentation, looks like the other one will be worth watching :)
[08:38] <johnlittle> start uploading family movies madpilot ;)
[08:38] <whiprush> wearing a splunk tshirt of all things.
[08:38] <Madpilot> lucky for Corey, we don't have any
[08:38] <whiprush> of course, I can't talk, I was wearing a novell shirt iirc
[08:38] <Burgundavia> whiprush: my Ubuntu tshirt was dirty!
[08:38] <Burgundavia> indeed
[08:38] <whiprush> yeah, mine too
[08:39] <Burgundavia> the only bad picture/video that I know off is of me asleep in my spaghetti
[08:39] <Burgundavia> at about 2, to be clear
[08:39] <johnlittle> lol
[08:39] <Burgundavia> then again
[08:39] <whiprush> we should do an edgy desktop tour video, a screencap though
[08:39] <Burgundavia> we should
[08:39] <whiprush> with audio voice over
[08:39] <Burgundavia> with audio voice over?
[08:39] <whiprush> yeah
[08:39] <Burgundavia> you are mad
[08:39] <whiprush> so you can explain the stuff as you demo it
[08:40] <johnlittle> please do :)
[08:40] <Burgundavia> so I can explain the stuff? do I sound better than you?
[08:40] <whiprush> no, so the person doing the video can explain
[08:40] <whiprush> "I am now plugging in my camera ..."
[08:40] <whiprush> things like that
[08:41] <Burgundavia> ah, right, I don;t need to be involved
[08:41] <Burgundavia> splendid
[08:41] <whiprush> I wonder if istanbul does audio
[08:42] <Burgundavia> no, but I bet jokosher does
[08:42] <Burgundavia> or we can whip out pitivi
[08:43] <Burgundavia> anyway, I have to sleep
[08:43] <Burgundavia> I will look at the horrible videos tomorrow, when I actually have flash installed
[08:43] <Madpilot> wow, the audio & video on that was badly out of synch
[08:44] <johnlittle> time for sleep here too..nite ppl
[08:45] <Burgundavia> that is a flash issue, likley
[08:45] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: you need to send the kneecaping crowd around to get .oggs to post
[08:46] <johnlittle> Yeah I was hoping for feedback on that
[08:46] <Burgundavia> I think it is fairly critical that it just on default ubuntu
[08:48] <johnlittle> I need to talk to the forum guys about getting some visibility for video stuff maybe
[08:55] <Burgundavia> nixternal: promoting kde apps on planet ubuntu is against groupthink and ++ungood *grin*
[08:55] <nixternal> haha
[08:55] <nixternal> i was wondering when someone would say that
[08:55] <nixternal> that was the entire plan muhahah
[08:55] <Burgundavia> you have been discovered. Make your time.
[08:55] <Burgundavia> All your apps are belong to us
[08:55] <nixternal> hahaha
[08:56] <Burgundavia> isn't it 3am there?
[08:56] <nixternal> 2
[08:57] <Burgundavia> oh right, illinois is central, not eastern
[08:57] <Burgundavia> michigan is the dividing line
[08:57] <nixternal> kinda sorta ya
[08:57] <nixternal> indiana is goofy, they don't know what they want
[08:57] <Burgundavia> I hate timezones
[08:57] <nixternal> they just stay one time, they don't switch at all..so half the year we are the same time, the other half they are an hour ahead
[08:58] <Burgundavia> sask is the same way
[09:12] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ogg_videos
[09:12] <johnlittle> not much but its a start
[09:39] <livingdaylight> Madpilot: hi
[09:39] <Madpilot> hi livingdaylight
[09:39] <livingdaylight>  :)
[09:40] <livingdaylight> you got my email, of course, right?
[09:40] <Madpilot> I did
[09:40] <livingdaylight> kool
[09:40] <Madpilot> did some work on it tonight, I'll finish it over the weekend when I've got a bit more time
[09:40] <livingdaylight> k, no worries
[11:56] <KenSentMe> Morning people
[11:56] <johnlittle> morning
[04:03] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, http://meldra.no-ip.info:8080/soldierwallpaper.jpg ;)
[04:07] <MenZa> lol
[05:02] <elkbuntu> the guy is a bit crappy, but that's the only bit the gimp didnt do ;)
[05:56] <Burgwork> http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/08/25/inca.microsoft.ap/index.html
[06:20] <poningru> am I the only person that got a bit concerned about the 'most offensive thing' thread?
[06:21] <nixternal> i stopped reading it after the 1000th post
[06:22] <Burgwork> indeed
[06:22] <Burgwork> however, it is a trademark issue
[06:22] <Burgwork> dilution of the ubuntu trademark
[06:24] <nixternal> yup
[06:24] <nixternal> i am working on a distro similar in nature, but a totally different name
[06:25] <poningru> yeah /me didnt read most of it either
[06:25] <poningru> the thing that scared me was just the bit of mudslinging
[06:26] <Burgwork> yep
[06:26] <Burgwork> hey matthewrevell
[06:26] <nixternal> the one bad thing about freedom of speach, is that is causes us to see the freedom of ignorance as well
[06:26] <nixternal> hiya matthewrevell!
[06:26] <matthewrevell> hey
[06:26] <poningru> hehe yeah
[06:27] <nixternal> i could care less what someone believes in truthfully, but don't hate or disrespect, or mudsling if you don't agree...that is ignorant, no ifs ands or buts
[06:27] <matthewrevell> Looks like an interesting discussions to join half-way through :)
[06:27] <nixternal> haha
[06:28] <nixternal> i hate when i do that...we are chatting about the "Most offensive thing" thread on sounder that went by recently
[06:28] <nixternal> about Christian Ubuntu
[06:28] <matthewrevell> oh right
[06:29] <nixternal> it isn't offensive to me, but I can see how it for one infringes on the trademark, but someone said something I thought was very valid, and if it is allowed, then there can be the creation of satan ubuntu and such
[06:29] <nixternal> which will eventually cause way to many problems ;)
[06:29] <nixternal> i will create FTW Ubuntu
[06:29] <nixternal> ;)
[06:31] <Burgwork> the issue is, it uses the ubuntu name while not really being Ubuntu
[06:31] <Burgwork> if you don't police your trademark, you lose it
[06:31] <Burgwork> it is a big problem for FLOSS. Look at the Firefox issue
[06:31] <nixternal> it is Ubuntu for real, just with one package added...all he did was add "apt-get install gnome-sword" and packaged it as Christian Ubuntu
[06:31] <matthewrevell> nixternal: really? Is that it?
[06:31] <nixternal> yes
[06:32] <nixternal> myself and a few others have spoken to the guy..the guy who created it, doesn't even know how to use Linux, let along Ubuntu, he isn't a dev, and he don't know how to package either
[06:33] <poningru> rofl
[06:33] <matthewrevell> I'm confused. If he is that inexperienced, what exactly does he offer for d/l?
[06:34] <nixternal> ubuntu, with one package added to the install script for a LiveCD
[06:34] <matthewrevell> The site mentions a graphical tool for configuring DansGuardian.
[06:35] <nixternal> that is something new then
[06:35] <nixternal> the site is kind of funny with the name though...   WWJD - What Would Jesus Download
[06:35] <Burgwork> but dansguardian is crap and the developer hates packagers
[06:35] <matthewrevell> Either way, it's a big risk of brand dilution.
[06:35] <nixternal> hhaah
[06:35] <matthewrevell> That's funny.
[06:35] <nixternal> w/o a doubt
[06:35] <Burgwork> hence why Edubuntu developed willowng
[06:36] <Burgwork> matthewrevell, I mentioned that to Jane at Ubucon/LWE
[06:36] <matthewrevell> Burgwork: yeah? What's the Canonical take on it?
[06:36] <Burgwork> she took it under advisement
[06:36] <matthewrevell> right
[06:37] <nixternal> oh, he has updated the site..because one of the projects i am working on is listed there now
[06:38] <matthewrevell> The derivative branding thing is a risk in itself, but I imagine the official derivs have some sort of agreement with Canonical not to bring the brand into disrepute etc
[06:38] <nixternal> heh, so he has added 2 packages to the CD, and added Christian to it
[06:38] <matthewrevell> Ah, wife's back.
[06:38] <nixternal> haha
[06:38] <matthewrevell> :)
[06:38] <nixternal> im glad mines gone ;)
[06:39] <nixternal> she wants to get back together as well..im like, sorry, don't have time right now...busy with my computer ;)  leave your name and number, i will not get back with you!
[06:39] <nixternal> haha
[06:39] <Burgwork> matthewrevell, yes, they do. And they very explicitly use their own trademarks
[06:39] <matthewrevell> I'm very pleased she's back, but it does mean I may be less active in the conv
[06:39] <nixternal> actually...he changed the name i just noticed...it is "Ubuntu - Christian Edition"
[06:40] <Burgwork> still using the ubuntu name
[06:40] <Burgwork> it implies endorsement
[06:40] <nixternal> yup
[06:41] <nixternal> he could do Cubuntu if he wanted
[06:41] <Burgwork> that would be better
[06:41] <Burgwork> WUWJU (What Ubuntu would Jesus use)
[06:42] <nixternal> hahaha
[06:42] <nixternal> dude, thats way to funny ;)
[06:42] <Burgwork> I try
[06:43] <nixternal> im seriously lmao
[06:43] <nixternal> i could picture jesus at a terminal hackin'
[06:43] <Burgwork> right
[06:43] <nixternal> from the pictures i have seen everyone make up, he does kind of resemble RMS ;)
[06:44] <nixternal> a skinny version
[06:45] <nixternal> the planet has become a Digg news site it seems
[06:45] <matthewrevell> I'm sure Canonical will act in some way, whether it's giving permission to use the name or whatever, because if they don't protect their trademark, they lose it, as I'm sure you guys know.
[06:45] <Burgwork> nixternal, I have emailed UD about that
[06:45] <nixternal> heh
[06:45] <nixternal> so has everyone else from what i have heard
[06:46] <nixternal> jdub said he got poked more then enough times
[06:46] <matthewrevell> UD?
[06:46] <nixternal> matthewrevell: the ubuntu christian edition has been running now for about 6 or so months...so if something was to happen, you would think it would have done so already, right?
[06:47] <Burgwork> ubuntu demon
[06:47] <nixternal> i know the guy who runs it, wasn't the friendliest person at first, and it could have very well been a language barrier as well
[06:47] <matthewrevell> nixternal: I dunno. I think Canonical would have to spend some time thinking how to come out looking like the good guys.
[06:47] <matthewrevell> Of course, that's very difficult
[06:47] <matthewrevell> but if you're lax with your trademark, it goes.
[06:47] <matthewrevell> Look at Aspirin
[06:48] <matthewrevell> Burgwork: ah
[06:48] <nixternal> true, seeing as the meaning behind it, they definitely don't want to start fires with the communities
[06:48] <Burgwork> yes, it is a very touchy issue
[06:48] <matthewrevell> nixternal: Yeah, absolutely. I'm sure a compromise could be reached
[06:48] <nixternal> ya, i remember Aspirin was a topic in my business law classes
[06:48] <nixternal> as long as we don't send bush in, everything should turn out fine ;)
[06:48] <matthewrevell> Burgwork: It could so easily make Canonical look like bad chaps
[06:49] <nixternal> omg, speaking of my fearless leader...google      failure
[06:49] <nixternal> to funny
[06:49] <Burgwork> nazis, even
[06:49] <matthewrevell> Burgwork: The negative publicity could even start a backlash against the Ubuntu brand.
[06:49] <nixternal> yup
[06:50] <matthewrevell> I think the text on the website gives a bit too little credit to Ubuntu.
[06:50] <nixternal> anti-semitic ubuntu...that would be next..and then just like the world..we would have wars amongst the communities
[06:51] <matthewrevell> Personally, I don't see any problem in different communities making it easy for their members to make the most of Ubuntu.
[06:51] <matthewrevell> (Not endorsing Anti-Semitic Ubuntu BTW)
[06:51] <nixternal> no, thats what is great about it
[06:51] <nixternal> but at least change the name, and take it away from the Ubuntu community though
[06:52] <matthewrevell> but if someone's saying, "Hey, here's Ubuntu Christian Edition" it implies some official backing, as does their Icthusised Ubuntu logo
[06:52] <nixternal> like raphink did with ichthux...he is actually working with the ubuntu christian guy, trying to get him to change it i believe
[06:52] <matthewrevell> cool
[06:53] <nixternal> from what i have heard, the guy who runs that is at times unresponsive or has this "i don't give a crap" attitude
[06:53] <matthewrevell> right
[06:53] <Burgwork> then the hammer of God^WWWJane needs to come down
[06:53] <nixternal> hahah
[06:53] <matthewrevell> Perhaps it's something for the Communications Manager to take up when (s)he is appointed
[06:53] <nixternal> WWJD == What Will Jane Do
[06:54] <Burgwork> matthewrevell, you mean Brother Jono?
[06:54] <nixternal> haha
[06:54] <matthewrevell> Burgwork: Nah, there's a separate Comms Manager role
[06:54] <nixternal> i knew you guys shared a common bond ;)
[06:54] <matthewrevell> advertised
[06:54] <matthewrevell> :)
[06:54] <Burgwork> right
[06:54] <nixternal> to much bonding, or bondage
[06:54] <Burgwork> but Jono or Jane could do it
[06:54] <nixternal> oooh...work time...bbiab ;)
[06:55] <matthewrevell> Burgwork: Yup, anyone with authority at canonical could do it
[06:55] <matthewrevell> I suppose it needs someone with loads of tact etc
[06:55] <matthewrevell> but the authority to say, "Look, this really needs to happen" ... whatever it is that they decide needs to happen
[07:01] <Burgwork> I think Canonicals needs to create a community copyright document, aks for feedback and then start enforcing that
[07:04] <matthewrevell> yeah, sounds like a good idea for people to know where they stand up-front


 Ah alright I think it would be good then.
[03:15] <valorie> @ahoneybun the #ubuntu-flavors chan has been very useful
[03:15] <valorie> PopOS! people would be welcome there
[03:16] <valorie> I think the actual testing coordination was done in #ubuntu-testing
 It's not a flavor though
[03:16] <valorie> jphilips: correct me if that's wrong
[03:16] <valorie> Understood
[03:16] <valorie> but others who are not official are in there too
[03:17] <jphilips> its #ubuntu-quality
[03:17] <valorie> oh thank you
[03:17] <jphilips> or the ubuntu testers telegram group
[03:17] <valorie> I'll rejoin thaat
[03:17] <valorie> aha, that's why I got confused
[03:18] <jphilips> i did as well :D
[03:19] <jphilips> there is a flavors and derivatives channels on telegram
[03:19] <jphilips> https://t.me/joinchat/ULV97hxL6vdqM274
[03:20] <valorie> @ahoneybun ^^^
[03:21] <jphilips> its not bridged with IRC though
 Thanks!
[03:21] <jphilips> if they'd like to have it bridged, we can ask popey
[03:22] <jphilips> non-flavors are welcome to join the UTW, as they will benefit from the changes and popularize it amongst their users
[07:37] <jphilips> valorie: i've prepared the xubuntu announcement text, so you team is welcome to add their kubuntu version - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZDIfV3X3pN0EWwmY_GaE6tCKfWCAmUrQxOm6NR6x3Qo/edit#