[03:15] <mr_roboto> glick: just as an aside, if you're just beginning to learn CVS, you might want to go with Subversion instead
[03:15] <karmatoburn> juz no password?
[03:15] <Chinaman> i still get those kind of messages
[03:15] <yoink> crimsun, i opened synaptic actually
[03:15] <crimsun> Plebeuz, do not touch /etc/modprobe.conf
[03:15] <crimsun> Plebeuz, put stuff inside /etc/modprobe.d/
[03:16] <Plebeuz> noo
[03:16] <Plebeuz> yess
[03:16] <glick> mr_roboto, im using cvs with a group thing, they set it up
[03:16] <karmatoburn> ok thanks
[03:16] <maxmouse> Im having some problems getting enemy territory running with a radeon 9600, fglrxinfo has all ATI info, and fgl_glxgears runs, however whenever i try to run enemy territory it says its using the Mesa GL renderer which i guess the game doesnt like, how do i fix this?
[03:16] <mr_roboto> glick: ahh, ok.
[03:16] <yoink> crimsun, but apt-get update doesnt work either...it can't connect to the unofficial repos i think
[03:16] <crimsun> yoink, probably a known issue then. I don't use them.
[03:16] <maxmouse> ive tried going through the config a couple of times, changing things, but that doesnt help
[03:17] <glick> how come my vim backspace over ssh does not work correctly? it inserts funny chars into the text, however backspace on the commandline works fine
[03:17] <Plebeuz> there is a thing very good on slackware, is a rc.modules who have a list os varius hardware suported, and u just need to uncoment a line with a driver then ./rc.modules and the hardware is working perfectly
[03:17] <mr_roboto> glick: wrong terminal type on the host you're logging into?  when you get there, try "stty erase <backspace>" to fix it
[03:18] <crimsun> Plebeuz, there's udev+hotplug
[03:18] <Chinaman> can someone help me with java sdk?
[03:18] <yoink> can anyone here connect to the unofficial repos?
[03:18] <epp> i can
[03:18] <Chinaman> i've been trying all day and i still don't know how to compile yet
[03:18] <Plebeuz> crimsun, my mouse isnt working in console mode
[03:18] <Chinaman> epp: can you please help moi?
[03:18] <crimsun> Plebeuz, we don't install or enable gpm.
[03:18] <ryufreak> !ati
[03:18] <Plebeuz> crimsun, usb microsoft
[03:18] <ubotu> somebody said ati was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10&highlight=fglrx
[03:19] <glick> still does it damn it
[03:19] <maxmouse> ryufreak, if that was for me, thanks dood
[03:19] <durt> !mexicans
[03:19] <ubotu> durt: Syntax error in line 1
[03:19] <epp> crimsun, ok so i added all the repos i could find and still no amorok 1.3...
[03:19] <mr_roboto> glick: you going through pserver or using a local filesystem?
[03:19] <mkyb14> anyone know how to mount ntfs drives?
[03:20] <mr_roboto> glick: what CVSROOT do you use?
[03:20] <glick> mr_roboto, using the local filesystem
[03:20] <epp> !tell mkyb14 about ntfs
[03:20] <Carwash> what is a 'Universe and Multiverse repositories'
[03:21] <karmatoburn> anyone feel like helping with a font problem?
[03:21] <Grev> anyone using Breezy with nvidia here?
[03:21] <durt> yes grev
[03:21] <Chinaman> epp: where do i start if i want j2sdk?
[03:21] <joetheodd> Hey, how do I watch a DVD?
[03:21] <Plebeuz> xmms rox
[03:21] <epp> Chinaman have u looked in repos?
[03:21] <mr_roboto> glick: I think that once the files are in CVS, it will keep using the same permissions as when they were first added. You will probably have to chmod the repository itself to fix teh permissions, after which they should be ok. CVS is a PITA that way (with permission)
[03:21] <joetheodd> DVDs work in XMMS Plebeuz?
[03:22] <Plebeuz> joetheodd, xmms is for play mp3
[03:22] <Chinaman> epp: i can install j2sdk 1.5 but how do i get jedit or an IDE working?
[03:22] <epp> crimsun, what repo has the newst amarok
[03:22] <Grev> durt: i'm having no luck finding the nvidia.o module just nv.o  nvidia-glx is installed
[03:22] <mr_roboto> glick: here is a good online book about CVS. I recommend you have a look    http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/cvsbook.html
[03:22] <Chinaman> and how would i compile in terminal?
[03:22] <Plebeuz> joetheodd, use Mplayer to play dvd
[03:23] <crimsun> epp, you might try asking in #kubuntu
[03:23] <joetheodd> Chinaman: javac <file>
[03:23] <durt> grev: so you cant: "sudo modprobe nvidia"?
[03:23] <glick> mr_roboto, oh yeh i was looking through that, thanks
[03:23] <epp> Chinaman, why java anyways?
[03:23] <mr_roboto> glick: they have a FAQ part of that book and one question is "CVS keeps changing file permissions; why does it do that?"  read that :)
[03:23] <Chinaman> because i need it for class
[03:23] <epp> Chinaman, same here!
[03:24] <crimsun> Chinaman, just download Eclipse from its Web site
[03:24] <Grev> FATAL: Module nvidia not found.
[03:24] <mr_roboto> glick: oh! nearly forgot!  you probably turned "watch on" so that you have to use "cvs edit"
[03:24] <mkyb14> i don't understand taht winmac_fstab file
[03:24] <mkyb14> it's in perl or someting
[03:24] <mkyb14> and no directions
[03:24] <glick> cvs edit?
[03:24] <epp> Grev: on my other comp i have found that u need to download the drivers from nvidia .com
[03:24] <mr_roboto> glick: is that so?    try just doing "cvs edit <myfile>" on the read-only file in your working copy. should make it writeable
[03:25] <Plebeuz> skype for linux rox
[03:25] <heatxsink> is there any way of making the little icon of that guy with a beard change to my login photo when I come back from the screensaver?
[03:25] <Grev> epp: I have that changes before the final
[03:25] <mr_roboto> glick: it marks the file on the server as being edited by you so that other users can run "cvs editors <file>" and see who is editing it (that's also recursive if you just give a directory name)
[03:25] <durt> grev: try "sudo insmod nvida.ko"
[03:25] <epp> Grev:hu?
[03:25] <glick> hmm
[03:25] <mr_roboto> glick: and it also makes the file writeable by you
[03:26] <glick> yea that wold bother me seeing a file change as im editing it
[03:26] <Carwash> when I change the repository of hoary hedgehog, it says 'you need to reload the package list from the servers for your changes to take effect' but the problem is the linux box isn't connected to the net. So is horay hedgehog repository still enable even without net connection?
[03:26] <Chinaman> omg wtf bbq thx epp
[03:26] <Chinaman> i'm such a n00bster
[03:26] <alec_> mmm
[03:26] <b0ef> my friend just downloaded the ubuntu live cd and he has troubles when issuing the su command; he has no password.
[03:26] <Chinaman> but how would i get Jedit to work?
[03:26] <mkyb14> epp that file didn't help
[03:26] <mkyb14> just loads a perl file
[03:26] <durt> b0ef, whats wrong with the sudo command?
[03:26] <mr_roboto> glick: that behavior gets turned on by doing "cvs watch on"
[03:27] <grabbies200> hello, i want to add marillat repositories but apt-get tells me that they have no signature, how can i tell apt-get update to ignore signatures?
[03:27] <glick> oh
[03:27] <mr_roboto> glick: type "cvs --help watch" and you'll see what i'm talking about
[03:27] <Chinaman> epp: which IDE do you use?
[03:27] <durt> chinaman, scite is easy and simple
[03:27] <mr_roboto> glick: just try doing "cvs edit <file>" and see if it becomes writeable. if so, you're using that
[03:28] <epp> Chinaman, IDE?
[03:28] <mr_roboto> glick: and "cvs unedit <file>" tells server you're no longer editing (also reverts changes and makes it read-only again)
[03:28] <b0ef> durt: it's troublesome having to write that all the time
[03:28] <glick> i see
[03:28] <glick> thanks mr_roboto
[03:28] <durt> b0ef: "sudo -s" then
[03:28] <mr_roboto> glick: i use CVS every day... i just kind of assumed you knew about edit :)
[03:29] <Chinaman> epp: integrated development environment
[03:29] <Chinaman> durt: lemme go see
[03:29] <epp> i edit on windows...
[03:29] <epp> i use jcreator
[03:30] <karmatoburn> ok how can i write to my font dir. ?
[03:31] <karmatoburn> this is kinda of important
[03:31] <joetheodd> Where can I get mplayer?
[03:31] <joetheodd> !tell joetheodd about mplayer
[03:31] <MadpilotPPC> karmatoburn, you mean to your /.font directory?
[03:31] <MadpilotPPC> !+fonts
[03:31] <ubotu> I heard fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[03:31] <karmatoburn> i guess
[03:32] <durt> joetheodd, vlc is good for dvds
[03:32] <MadpilotPPC> karmatoburn, see ubotu just above ^^^
[03:32] <karmatoburn> right right
[03:32] <Chinaman> durt: are there tabs in scite?
[03:32] <durt> yes chinaman
[03:32] <grabbies200> joetheodd: you can get mplayer from the marillate repositories
[03:32] <Chinaman> hmm
[03:32] <Chinaman> i don't see them
[03:33] <durt> chinaman, you have to edit the use options file
[03:33] <nibbler00> if any one here is using a shared printer on an xp pro box from ubuntu can I please see a dump of your /etc/cups/printers.conf
[03:33] <Chinaman> um...is it supposed to be empty?
[03:34] <Chinaman> durt: how do i use tabs?
[03:35] <KiwiKibi> is launchpad.net kosher?
[03:35] <KiwiKibi> "Security Error: you tried to connect to shipit.ubuntu.com.  However, the certificate belongs to launchpad.net.  It is possible though unlikely that someone may be trying to intercept your communication."  . . . what gives?
[03:35] <durt> chinaman let me see...
[03:36] <MadpilotPPC> KiwiKibi, it's another part of the Ubuntu/Canonical system - you've probably already noticed that some of the certificates are messed up elsewhere too...
[03:36] <KiwiKibi> no, i haven't noticed that
[03:37] <durt> chinaman, add "tabbar.visible=1" to the user options file and save and restart scite
[03:37] <DavidLeeRoth> i am buying a new CPU.  I wanna know what is better: An amd 3700+ with 1MB L2 cache or an AMD 3800+ with 512 L2 cache?
[03:37] <durt> there are lots of different ways to configure it so check out the documentation
[03:38] <bluefoxicy> DavidLeeRoth:  what cores?
[03:39] <b0ef> durt: mk, that works
[03:39] <Chinaman> durt: it's not working
[03:39] <durt> chinaman, you arent including the quotes are you?
[03:39] <Chinaman> i didn't include quotes
[03:40] <Plebeuz> my mic is working perfectly
[03:42] <Chinaman> durt?
[03:42] <durt> chinaman: add "buffers=10" too
[03:42] <Chinaman> before or after?
[03:42] <durt> doesnt matter i dont think
[03:43] <Chinaman> durt: i thank you greatly
[03:43] <durt> does it work?
[03:43] <Chinaman> YEP
[03:43] <Chinaman> crimsun and durt: you guys pwn
[03:44] <Plebeuz> hey i wank to link /root/Desktop/skype-1.2/skype to i just write sype and execute skype, where i have to put the link?
[03:44] <charlie> HI
[03:44] <blagh> could someone please help me set up my wireless network card?  ubuntu doesn't seem to see it
[03:44] <charlie> everyone
[03:44] <Plebeuz> i tried to put on /bin and /usr/bin
[03:44] <reggie> sghd
[03:44] <reggie> dh
[03:44] <reggie> sdhhe
[03:44] <reggie> ht4
[03:44] <reggie> s
[03:44] <reggie> r
[03:44] <reggie> re
[03:44] <reggie> er
[03:44] <reggie> e
[03:44] <reggie> r
[03:44] <reggie> rry
[03:45] <reggie> ery
[03:45] <reggie> y
[03:45] <reggie> yrey
[03:45] <charlie> I want to have a gui for my linux server
[03:45] <reggie> r
[03:45] <reggie> y
[03:45] <reggie> y
[03:45] <reggie> y
[03:45] <reggie> r
[03:45] <MadpilotPPC> !ops
[03:45] <reggie> yer
[03:45] <ubotu> ops is, like, Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, and Nalioth
[03:45] <reggie> y
[03:45] <reggie> y
[03:45] <reggie> ry
[03:45] <reggie> ry
[03:45] <durt> blagh, you might need to use ndiswrapper
[03:45] <mirak> is there lvm support in the initrd of ubuntu ?
[03:46] <blagh> is that already loaded, or do i need to install it?
[03:46] <Plebeuz> alguem ae do Brasil?
[03:46] <durt> blagh: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Ubuntu
[03:47] <grabbies200> hello, i want to add marillat repositories but apt-get tells me that they have no signature, how can i tell apt-get update to ignore signatures?
[03:47] <iiiears> charlie - check out the how to for ubuntu it is amazing with a computer and an ubuntu cd you can setup a very sophisticated server  step by step how to http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2005-09-26-008-26-OS-HL-SV
[03:48] <tristanmike> grabbies200, why do you want the marillat repos?
[03:48] <tristanmike> grabbies200, it's not recommended to use them
[03:49] <grabbies200> because id like to get the codecs and install mplayer without compile from source
[03:50] <tristanmike> grabbies200, http://giannaros.org/public/hoarydebs/ here is the w32codec files, and a simple "sudo dpkg -i <name>" will install it for you
[03:50] <DavidLeeRoth> i am buying a new CPU.  I wanna know what is better: An amd 3700+ with 1MB L2 cache or an AMD 3800+ with 512 L2 cache?
[03:50] <grabbies200> is it also fr 64bit
[03:50] <Kyral> Which one overclocks better
[03:51] <DavidLeeRoth> they are both awesome
[03:51] <Plebeuz> 1Mb cache is better
[03:51] <Kyral> the 1MB is better
[03:51] <grabbies200> i am actually looking libavcodec
[03:51] <Plebeuz> 1Mb cache very very better
[03:51] <DavidLeeRoth> ok!
[03:51] <Kyral> overclock like hell!
[03:51] <DavidLeeRoth> thank you all
[03:51] <DavidLeeRoth> saved me 50 bucks!
[03:52] <Plebeuz> hehehe
[03:52] <Plebeuz> cool
[03:52] <Kyral> a virtuous endeavor indeed!
[03:52] <Plebeuz> indeed heheheh
[03:52] <tristanmike> grabbies200, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399
[03:53] <epp> whats a mp3 player thats like itunes besides amarok
[03:53] <iiiears> lol - linux and itunes? really?
[03:53] <grabbies200> tristanmike: thanks i go folow the post
[03:53] <epp> well the layout...
[03:54] <tristanmike> grabbies200, np
[03:54] <durt> rhythmbox
[03:54] <Plebeuz> epp xmms
[03:54] <durt> even though xmms is the best
[03:54] <Kyral> Beep!
[03:54] <epp> xmms looks like winamp not itunes
[03:54] <epp> you cant have a library in xmms
[03:54] <Kyral> Tis called a playlist my friend!
[03:54] <iiiears> juk is a nice library tool
[03:55] <epp> but it doesnt sort it by artist/album
[03:55] <crispynix> epp: what's wrong with amarok?
[03:55] <linuxbomb> does anyone know of a mplayerplug-in package with the controls compiled in and does anyone else have problems with mplayerplug-in crashing when hitting the back arrow
[03:55] <epp> my amorok ownt play audio...
[03:55] <crispynix> epp: rhythmbox sorts by artist/album, I believe -- but it's not like itunes
[03:55] <crispynix> epp: try a different engine?
[03:55] <epp> yep
[03:55] <epp> for 3 hours i tried
[03:55] <epp> but whatever
[03:55] <epp> rythm sounds fine
[03:56] <crispynix> epp: you tried gstreamer, arts, and xine and none of them worked? o_O
[03:56] <epp> yep
[03:56] <crispynix> weird
[03:56] <MadpilotPPC> epp, what file format are you trying to play?
[03:56] <epp> mp3
[03:57] <MadpilotPPC> epp, do you have the mp3 codecs installed?
[03:57] <MadpilotPPC> !+mp3
[03:57] <ubotu> well, mp3 is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[03:57] <epp> yep audio plays on xmms
[03:57] <iiiears> does the bitorrent app included with ubuntu work to keep sharing files after you have a comepleted download?
[03:58] <epp> its a sucky ass client...
[03:58] <iiiears> mp123 or ffmpeg are just two of a dozen available codecs
[03:59] <durt> xmms is not "sucky ass"
[03:59] <iiiears> I was hoping to host a couple of files  java  and w32codecs
[04:00] <epp> durt, no im talking about the ubuntu bittorrent client...
[04:01] <tritium> epp, try nicer descriptive language, please
[04:01] <Confuzzled> Hey all
[04:01] <iiiears> epp - it says "Activity Finished" on the comepleted downloads. - has it stopped sharing?
[04:01] <yannick> y'a quelqu'un poru m'aider ?
[04:02] <MadpilotPPC> !fr
[04:02] <ubotu> methinks fr is Va a #ubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[04:02] <durt> epp: oops :|
[04:02] <epp> hehe
[04:03] <tristanmike> MadpilotPPC, that doesn't look like french
[04:03] <TokenBad> is there a newsreader for ubuntu that supports .nzb files?
[04:04] <iiiears> you have to admire the courage to try another OS if english isn't your first language. It has to be challenging.
[04:04] <crispynix> TokenBad: apt-cache search nzb
[04:04] <SteveMyers> I see that as a bad joke
[04:05] <TokenBad> crispynix, it didn't show a result
[04:05] <iiiears> NZBGet ???
[04:05] <SteveMyers> TokenBad, needing assistance?
[04:05] <TokenBad> is there a newsreader for ubuntu that supports .nzb files?
[04:05] <benh> some ubuntu X.org person around ?
[04:06] <SteveMyers> let me check
[04:06] <iiiears> http://linux.iq.usp.br/debian/pool/main/n/nzb/
[04:06] <crispynix> TokenBad: apparently not, but there are other apps which can handle .nzb files.  In breezy there are four results, none of them newsreaders tho.
[04:06] <tritium> benh, just ask your question.  Hopefully someone can help
[04:07] <iiiears> didn't know that newsgroups were still around. - ancient - lol
[04:07] <crispynix> Usenet is still around, but it's mostly used for pr0n and spam -.-
[04:07] <wickedpuppy> and warez
[04:08] <MadpilotPPC> There are still real non-warez, non-pr0n groups on Usenet, actually
[04:08] <iiiears> it was always had wares got my first copy of DOS from a newsgroup. but it also had some really good technology news then.
[04:08] <benh> well
[04:09] <benh> I wonder if they hacked X to add the iMac G5 modeline in the default list
[04:09] <benh> (1440x900)
[04:09] <benh> it's not in X.org CVS upstream, I have to add an explicit modeline
[04:09] <DaBlue> i think microsoft uses usenet to help devs communicate
[04:09] <tritium> benh, you have breezy installed on an iMac G5?
[04:09] <benh> but debian's 6.8.2 seems to find it (and that panel doesn't do DDC)
[04:09] <SteveMyers> TokenBad: try Pan
[04:10] <durt> benh, wait - do you already have the modeline?
[04:10] <benh> tritium: hoary actualy :) I'm about to upgrade it to breezy, but in the meantime, I'm tracking down a bug with nvidiafb which makes it break on the iMac
[04:10] <benh> durt: yes, I know what the modeline is, that isn't a problem
[04:10] <tritium> benh, wow, I could not get hoary to install on my iMac (kernel panic issues)
[04:10] <SteveMyers> TokenBad: Here are some screenshits and updated information about Pan: http://pan.rebelbase.com/screenshots/
[04:10] <benh> durt: I just wonder what makes hoary X be happy and not CVS
[04:10] <SteveMyers> err
[04:10] <SteveMyers> screenshot
[04:11] <benh> tritium: I used a home built 64 bits kernel and stucked ubuntu initrd with it :)
[04:11] <benh> tritium: I haven't tried breezy prerelease CD yet
[04:11] <benh> tritium: I just finished thermal control for the machine so it's fairly useable now :)
[04:11] <tritium> benh, oh, okay.  Good for you, dude :)
[04:12] <benh> what happens is that X " nv" drivers finds from the registers that the panel is 1440x900
[04:12] <benh> and then goes try to find a modeline for that in X own default table
[04:12] <benh> it can with hoary and can't with X.org CVS
[04:12] <benh> so I was wondering if ubuntu or maybe debian was hacking the built-in modeline table
[04:12] <iiiears> benh - Stop it you are scaring me. - lol - been eyeing 64 bit machines but spending hours/days/weeks configuring it is a huge fear.
[04:12] <benh> since there is no explicit modeline in my xorg.conf
[04:12] <tritium> Not sure, benh.  daniels would konw
[04:13] <tritium> know
[04:13] <benh> (adding one makes CVS work of course, but that's impractical, auto-detect is much better)
[04:13] <benh> yah, but I can't find him lately (daniels)
[04:13] <benh> iiiears: just using a proper kernel and ubuntu installer "just worked"
[04:13] <planetcall> goodmorning
[04:14] <benh> iiiears: breezy should even ship with a 64 bits kernel for G5s afaik, though I haven't tried it on the imac
[04:14] <tritium> good evening
[04:14] <SteveMyers> G'Evening
[04:14] <iiiears> benh - Sounds hopeful :)
[04:14] <benh> anyway, buying one of the current G5s is pointless, Apple should upgrade them significantly real soon
[04:14] <planetcall> its morning here :P
[04:14] <SteveMyers> hehe
[04:14] <benh> for the last time at least before they go x86
[04:14] <TokenBad> SteveKerr, seems that pan don't support nzb....or at least find no mention of it on the website
[04:14] <planetcall> i have a question about Dualboot
[04:14] <Pablo_C> o.O
[04:14] <planetcall> ubuntu says Error14   .......... Cylinder value exceeds ........... something in bios
[04:15] <TokenBad> oops
[04:15] <mirak> how to install grub on a secondary hard drive ?
[04:15] <planetcall> When i try to boot in Windows2003
[04:15] <TokenBad> SteveMyers, seems that pan don't support nzb....or at least find no mention of it on the website
[04:15] <planetcall> any help ?
[04:15] <SteveMyers> No worries, give me a moment
[04:15] <tritium> planetcall, perhaps you need to enable LBA in your bios
[04:16] <planetcall> where is that ? I got original Intel865GVHZ
[04:16] <SteveMyers> TokenBad: http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Internet/News/
[04:17] <bob2> benh: does sound work on the current crop of g5 imacs?
[04:17] <benh> bob2: nope
[04:17] <benh> bob2: on my todolist
[04:17] <zonic> hola
[04:17] <benh> bob2: it's a different codec chip
[04:17] <bob2> benh: ah
[04:17] <Pablo_C> someone gave me a link earlier when I couldnt find a the module-assistant.... it was a bunch of repositories to add..... I am trying to get the madwifi drivers working
[04:17] <benh> bob2: I have the specs tho
[04:17] <bob2> benh: oh, yay apple
[04:17] <zonic> algien habla spaol
[04:17] <mirak> how to install grub on a secondary hard drive ?
[04:17] <Pablo_C> can I please have a link to the repositories to add
[04:17] <benh> bob2: well, they change the sound hw in +/- subtle ways on pretty much every motherboard revision
[04:17] <tritium> zonic, #ubuntu-es
[04:17] <bob2> Pablo_C: ubuntu includes the madwifi drivers, prebuilt
[04:18] <benh> bob2: which is why sound is one of the weak points of linux on mac, keep breaking
[04:18] <Pablo_C> hmm
[04:18] <zonic> thanks
[04:18] <mirak> I want to boot next time on my secondatry hard drive that I will put primary. how to do that ?
[04:18] <bob2> benh: ahhh
[04:18] <benh> bob2: I need to rewrite the driver in a more "modular" way so we can more easily add codec drivers
[04:18] <Pablo_C> the card as soon as I enable it... it disables... I am using kubuntu
[04:18] <bob2> benh: does OS X also need continual updates then?
[04:18] <benh> bob2: and so it can deal with multiple codecs (digital + analog on the same bus)
[04:18] <benh> bob2: didn't have time yet... I could use help from more hackers tho =P
[04:19] <benh> bob2: yes, apple ships modified OS X with pretty much every new model
[04:19] <benh> bob2: though they include the updates with the next release
[04:19] <benh> bob2: same used to be with OS 9... if a machine shipped with, let's say, 9.1, it wouldn't necessarily work (or not everything would work) with a stock 9.1
[04:19] <ksmurf> is there a better way than samba to setup a home network?
[04:19] <benh> bob2: but only with the "modified" 9.1 that comes with it ... However, 9.1.1 or whatever >9.1 would work
[04:19] <bob2> benh: hah, hard to test drivers for hardware I don't have ;)
[04:19] <ksmurf> samba is not cooperating
[04:20] <bob2> benh: ahhh, I see
[04:20] <bob2> ksmurf: samba isn't about home networks, it's about sharing files with windows machines
[04:20] <benh> bob2: heh
[04:20] <benh> bob2: what is needed is first some background work on the driver
[04:21] <bob2> benh: can you pretend g5 imac work is ibm work by claiming it's nearly a power4? ;)
[04:21] <ksmurf> bob 2 .... i have 4 machines here .... all are linux.  what should I use to transfer files between them?
[04:21] <benh> bob2: defining a simple infrastructure to split the platform core (that puts all the bits & pieces together for a given machine), the codec modules, the bus driver & DMA engine, ...
[04:21] <benh> bob2: pretty much defining structs and moving existing code in new structure
[04:21] <bob2> ksmurf: NFS is another option, assuming yo utrust the network
[04:21] <benh> bob2: that can be done with any Apple HW
[04:21] <benh> bob2: from then, writing the codec modules for the other machines and the platform bits is easy
[04:21] <ksmurf> I trust the network.  they are all at home here
[04:22] <benh> bob2: there are some pitfalls though due to the way apple crapped out some stuff, like the GPIO control, but it's not _too_ bad
[04:22] <benh> bob2: heh, I already do a lot of work on these on IBM time :)
[04:22] <mirak> I have a problem installing GRUB
[04:22] <benh> bob2: it's more a matter of not impairing more urgent IBM work which I do have right now, though the thermal control was done partly here
[04:22] <mirak> $ grub-install seems to just stall
[04:22] <bob2> ksmurf: install nfs-kernel-server wherever you want to share files from, then add lines to /etc/exports to define what to share
[04:23] <benh> bob2: after all, the iMac G5 I use is IBM's :)
[04:23] <bob2> benh: hah, cool
[04:23] <bob2> mirak: why are you installing it manually?
[04:23] <bob2> benh: are sound devices in modern apples on the pci bus?
[04:23] <mirak> bob2: because I am setting up a second hard drive with linux
[04:23] <bushk> [A] nak1n, nice name.  r0fl.
[04:24] <benh> bob2: not  exactly
[04:24] <bob2> mirak: doesn't grub-install want an argument? isn't it easier to edit menu.lst and use update-grub?
[04:24] <benh> bob2: apple has a big IO chip on the PCI bus (they always had) that contains all sorts of stuffs
[04:24] <benh> bob2: some of these appear as individual PCI devices though (like the USB controllers), but a bunch of stuff is all in the same "combo" PCI device
[04:24] <benh> bob2: you can "see" the details abotu what's in there from the OF device-tree though
[04:25] <carrarro> Ubuntu newb here, can't get my c compiler at the terminal to locate the < stdio.h > file. Help, please.
[04:25] <benh> bob2: it contains, among others, a pair of i2s bus controllers (a sound bus, in a way similar to ac97)
[04:25] <benh> bob2: and i2c controller
[04:25] <mirak> bob2: update-brug will not write into the MBR
[04:25] <TiMiDo> !info emacs
[04:25] <benh> bob2: that's how codec chips are typically attached
[04:25] <TiMiDo> !info xemacs
[04:25] <TiMiDo> !info xemac
[04:25] <TiMiDo> bla
[04:26] <bob2> carrarro: install build-essential
[04:26] <bob2> mirak: even after you edit the config file correctly?
[04:26] <bob2> benh: ahhhh
[04:26] <tritium> benh, I'd like to know how things go for you when you try breezy on your iMac, whenever that may be
[04:26] <carrarro> I think it's already istalled, but I'll take a look and come back.
[04:26] <ksmurf> bob 2 K done...... how do I start it
[04:27] <Jalba> :shifty:
[04:27] <Jalba> Bah.. what am i doing here :( i dont have ubuntu
[04:27] <bob2> ksmurf: sudo invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server restart
[04:27] <liquidten2> Me neither... <_<
[04:27] <mirak> bob2: yes it stalls
[04:27] <bob2> mirak: nothing interesting in "dmesg"
[04:28] <sambagirl> does ubuntu have all this?
[04:28] <sambagirl> gcc >= 2.95
[04:28] <sambagirl>        autoconf >= 2.52
[04:28] <sambagirl>        automake >= 1.4
[04:28] <sambagirl>        libtool >= 1.4.2
[04:28] <sambagirl>        gettext >= 0.11.5
[04:28] <sambagirl>        pkgconfig >= 0.8.0
[04:28] <tritium> sambagirl, please don't paste!
[04:28] <durt> apt-get that stuff sambagirl
[04:28] <sambagirl> ok
[04:28] <benh> tritium: i'll try to remember popping up here, I could try now but I left the CD at home =P
[04:28] <sambagirl> ahh
[04:28] <CarlFK> sambagirl - hold on!
[04:28] <benh> tritium: anyway, I just dist-upgraded hoary to breezy and so far the machine is still alive
[04:29] <tritium> benh, cool, I'll keep an eye out for you :)
[04:29] <mirak> bob2:  Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 0
[04:29] <sambagirl> i am anting to install jamin
[04:29] <CarlFK> sambagirl - auto stuff needs the right versions, not just the most current (they aren't too backwards compatable)
[04:29] <mirak> bob2: I don't have a floppy
[04:29] <sambagirl> ahh
[04:29] <sambagirl> ok
[04:29] <sambagirl> thanks
[04:29] <CarlFK> sambagirl - keep holding...
[04:29] <sambagirl> anyone know of gnumpg3 inet radio streaming software?
[04:29] <sambagirl> haha
[04:29] <MadpilotPPC> sambagirl, there's a version of jamin in Ubuntu's repositories, you can just install it w/ Synaptic...
[04:29] <sambagirl> WOW
[04:30] <MadpilotPPC> !info jamin
[04:30] <ubotu> jamin: (Audio mastering from a mixed down multitrack source with JACK), section universe/sound, is optional. Version: 0.9.0-6 (hoary), Packaged size: 552 kB, Installed size: 1100 kB
[04:30] <CarlFK> search around on http://packages.ubuntu.com/ to figure out what package/version you need.. or do what MadpilotPPC says
[04:30] <sambagirl> where are the sapositories?
[04:30] <atripathi> I found LBA is turned on
[04:30] <MadpilotPPC> !repos
[04:30] <ubotu> I guess repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[04:31] <tritium> sambagirl, nice attempt at a joke
[04:31] <CarlFK> sambagirl I have run icecast - it works.  not sure what gnumpg3 is
[04:31] <sambagirl> haha
[04:31] <CarlFK> lol
[04:31] <sambagirl> what is your ip carlfx
[04:31] <sambagirl> ??
[04:31] <atripathi> when I try to boot in Windows ..... the cursor keeps blinking and sysem freezes
[04:31] <Jason-Bourne> where's the party at?
[04:31] <tritium> Purdue stadium
[04:31] <CarlFK> sambagirl - "have run" not "running" (i think...)
[04:32] <Jason-Bourne> purdue stadium got it!
[04:32] <CarlFK> hmm, might be up... no clue really
[04:32] <atripathi> ??
[04:32] <sambagirl> okie doke
[04:32] <CarlFK> sambagirl - if you hold some more, I'll get it up
[04:32] <sambagirl> cool
[04:32] <sambagirl> i'll wait
[04:32] <Seabook> I just realized... Why did Ubuntu's version number start at 4.10??
[04:32] <durt> you'll "get it up" heh
[04:33] <atripathi> any help over dualbooting ?
[04:33] <CarlFK> yeah yeah...
[04:33] <tritium> Seabook, October, 2004
[04:33] <ksmurf> 4th year 10th month
[04:33] <MadpilotPPC> Seabook, year and month of release
[04:33] <Seabook> ah
[04:33] <Seabook> makes sense then.
[04:33] <sambagirl> what is seabrook?
[04:34] <Seabook> sambagirl: there's no 'r' in my nick. :)
[04:34] <sambagirl> AHHH
[04:34] <ksmurf> do I need an nfs client to connect to an nfs network?
[04:34] <sambagirl> i thought was ubuntu update
[04:34] <atripathi> # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
[04:34] <atripathi> # on /dev/hdb1
[04:34] <atripathi> title           Windows NT/2000/XP (loader)
[04:34] <atripathi> root            (hd1,0)
[04:34] <atripathi> savedefault
[04:34] <atripathi> makeactive
[04:34] <atripathi> chainloader     +1
[04:34] <b0ef> my friend just booted up the live cd and he cannot mount ntfs read/write mode; is there a restriction in ubunto for this?
[04:34] <b0ef> s/ubunto/ubuntu/
[04:34] <CarlFK> b0ef - native linux ntfs isn't readwrite cuz write is iffy
[04:35] <atripathi> it is no working.. The cursor keeps blinking
[04:35] <Seabook> Oh, btw, has anybody successfully installed Ubuntu 5.04 on a Toshiba Satellite A70?
[04:35] <drklogic_> ksmurf, you need nfs-common installed then you can just mount the nfs share as if it were local
[04:35] <atripathi> drk   do u have any idea?
[04:35] <CarlFK> b0ef, look around for Captive NTFS - don'tthink it is on the livecd
[04:35] <ksmurf> drklogic I don't follow?
[04:35] <ksmurf> .../mount ......... ?
[04:36] <b0ef> CarlFK: I'm sure I've seen ntfs read/write mode listed as stable somewhere?
[04:36] <drklogic_> ksmurf, what is it you're trying to do? browse files over nfs?
[04:36] <durt> seabook, i have breezy on a satellite 5105-s501 - i dont knoe how similar they are
[04:36] <ksmurf> drk .... yes
[04:36] <drklogic_> ksmurf, apt-get install nfs-common
[04:36] <TokenBad> ubuntu 5.10 is going to be released when again?
[04:36] <tristanmike> TokenBad, Oct 13
[04:36] <ksmurf> I have it
[04:37] <atripathi> what is the command to see the disk structure ?
[04:37] <drklogic_> ksmurf, then "mount host:/directory"
[04:37] <sambagirl> carl your ready, no?
[04:37] <sambagirl> who asked me to wait?
[04:37] <tritium> his ready?
[04:37] <CarlFK> sambagirl - no, the feed box was off, and then I had unplugged the network cable, but I want this all up, so imalmost there...
[04:38] <sambagirl> haha ok you keep cranking up Model T while i turn key on ferrari :D
[04:38] <_jason> hi guys, how can I get sound working in flash for firefox
[04:38] <Seabook> durt: probably not very similar, simply by the fact that the numbering series is not even the same.
[04:38] <atripathi> Does anybody know if Ubuntu duals with Windows2003 ???
[04:38] <tritium> yes, atripathi
[04:39] <sambagirl> hehe 2003, is 2005 :)
[04:39] <tritium> !tell atripathi about dualboot
[04:39] <dikadika> what do people use around here for playing DVD's? i'm having some problems with totem
[04:40] <ksmurf> drklogic..... the thing won't mount.... do I have to add it to fstab?
[04:40] <bob2> dikadika: mplayer or xine
[04:40] <durt> or vlc
[04:40] <_jason> no one can help me to get sound working flash?
[04:41] <kurtbec> question from a ubuntu newbie...  When breezy final comes out what is the procedure to go from hoary to breezy?
[04:41] <dikadika> k thanks
[04:41] <durt> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:41] <kurtbec> durt: do you have to manually update the sources.list?
[04:42] <sambagirl> how acn you identify breezy has updated your system/ is there breezy splash screen or something?
[04:42] <durt> kurtbec oh yeah - yes pretty much just change all the "hoary"s to "breezy"s
[04:42] <none_-> sambagirl, the first X screen is different
[04:42] <bob2> sambagirl: er, presumably you saw what the upgrade did?
[04:42] <bob2> kurtbec: wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[04:43] <kurtbec> bob2: cool I will check that out
[04:43] <bob2> kurtbec: yes, you of course have to change it, doing major upgrades of people's machines would be a terrible idea
[04:43] <sambagirl> i dont see breezy, sneezy, weezy, grumpy, lumpy, balmy or slurpy. but i did see snow white :D
[04:43] <carrarro> bob2: it seems like it was a syntax error I was making. But thanks for the help.
[04:43] <sambagirl> no seriously i saw no difference.
[04:43] <kurtbec> thats what I figured but I just installed hoary on Friday and this is my first time with debian.  Been using linux for years just never debian.
[04:44] <bob2> kurtbec: ubuntu is not debian
[04:44] <nomasteryoda> kurtbec, so you are using a debian fork
[04:44] <nomasteryoda> way forked
[04:45] <nomasteryoda> but very good
[04:45] <cav> what exactly is a repository?
[04:45] <MadpilotPPC> cav, a giant collection of software and stuff, basically...
[04:45] <cav> Does every distro have one?
[04:46] <bob2> cav: no
[04:46] <kurtbec> nomasteryoda: I mispoke.  I'm using ubuntu.  Just being doing a lot of reading in the debian documentation lately so i have debian in my head.
[04:46] <bob2> cav: in ubuntu, a repository is a large set of .debs with some index files that apt can use
[04:46] <nomasteryoda> k
[04:46] <Plebeuz> cav is a server who have collections of packages for ur sistem(i meaning repository of servers for apt-get programs like)
[04:47] <cav> So the package manager uses the repositories to get all the software?
[04:47] <bob2> yes
[04:47] <Plebeuz> yes
[04:47] <kurtbec> anyone know where this a newer version of gaim for hoary?
[04:48] <cav> hmm
[04:48] <Plebeuz> gaim suc amsn rulez
[04:48] <kurtbec> not if you need meanwhile support.
[04:48] <Bacala> I'm a newbie, could someone help me with an install? I have a live/install dvd that won't boot properly. It tries to load but my machine keeps rebooting. any ideas?
[04:49] <Plebeuz> Bacala, some linux have a kernel panic and reboot the machine whith some kinds of hardware like scsi hardware
[04:49] <kurtbec> amsn is alright if you use amsn, but its just too narrow compared to gaim that supports just about every protocol out there.
[04:49] <Plebeuz> amsn is more clean
[04:50] <bob2> Bacala: are you sure the CD is fine?
[04:50] <Plebeuz> amsn is for msn
[04:50] <kurtbec> clean is great but doesn't do me much good if it doesn't do anything besides msn.
[04:50] <Bacala> Plebeuz it looks to me like a hardware issue. yes
[04:50] <Plebeuz> yeah or the dvd is damaged
[04:50] <Plebeuz> Bacala, then u must set the properly modbrope
[04:50] <Bacala> dvd works in my kids machine
[04:50] <Plebeuz> Bacala, when boot
[04:51] <kurtbec> kind of like ogg is a superior format but finding hardware that supports it makes it almost not worth it.
[04:51] <Bacala> Plebeuz modbrope???
[04:52] <Bacala> mobo...
[04:52] <Plebeuz> Bacala, try to find in the messages on boot, what is wrong. then search at google the modprobe for the hardware, the u must boot like something linux modprobe VIA86x
[04:53] <Plebeuz> u see the boot screen? (thet who tells u to press enter for linux etc..)
[04:53] <Bacala> yes
[04:53] <Bacala> I hit enter..
[04:54] <Bacala> then I see loading moduel
[04:54] <Plebeuz> the he starts to initializing the kernel, u see a kernel panic and reboot?
[04:54] <Plebeuz> ok
[04:54] <Plebeuz> then?
[04:54] <Bacala> no
[04:54] <Bacala> just reboots
[04:54] <Plebeuz> try write linux text
[04:55] <Plebeuz> then enter
[04:55] <Bacala> back to splash screen
[04:55] <sambagirl> still waiting :)
[04:55] <Bacala> type linux text at prompt?
[04:55] <Plebeuz> yes
[04:55] <CarlFK> sambagirl - its up! http://audio.foxshare.net:8000
[04:55] <Bacala> ok
[04:55] <Bacala> thanks
[04:56] <bob2> Bacala: have you checked the CD yet?
[04:56] <Bacala> yes
[04:56] <dabar> Is doing IRC as your sudoer as dangerous as running as root, if you identify with your sudoer's password?
[04:56] <bob2> Bacala: the CD verified yourself?
[04:56] <none_-> dabar, same thing
[04:56] <bob2> dabar: it's silly and the same, yes
[04:56] <mchugh24> Hey , I used synaptc to upate firefox to 1.0.7 and I get error: Error: No running window found
[04:56] <mchugh24> auto selected locale: en-US
[04:56] <Bacala> it works in another machine
[04:56] <mchugh24> any ideas what to do? Thanks
[04:56] <dabar> how about without the identify part?
[04:56] <bob2> Bacala: that's not the same thing
[04:56] <Bacala> and I checked with md5
[04:56] <glick> excuse me how do i change my default group when i login?
[04:57] <bob2> Bacala: of the .iso file or the cd itself?
[04:57] <none_-> dabar, sudo == root
[04:57] <bob2> glick: why?
[04:57] <Bacala> .iso
[04:57] <none_-> sudo runs the command as superuser
[04:57] <bob2> Bacala: then you need to check the cd itself
[04:57] <dabar> I dont mean running sudo irssi.
[04:57] <glick> bob2, i need to be a default member of another group so cvs works properly
[04:57] <bob2> Bacala: boot into expert mode and choose "verify cd" or whatever it is
[04:57] <Bacala> I didn't know I could do that
[04:58] <bob2> glick: no, someone needs to make the cvs repository sticky
[04:58] <dabar> just running as the sudoer user.
[04:58] <CarlFK> hmm, dead air... I suck as a dj...
[04:58] <glick> bob2, how do you do that?
[04:58] <none_-> dabar, it shouldn't make a difference
[04:58] <CarlFK> i need to get djbot working...
[04:58] <mike1> lo
[04:58] <dabar> Thank you.
[04:58] <Plebeuz> glick do thet
[04:58] <Bacala> k thanks
[04:58] <Plebeuz> glick vi passwd
[04:58] <Plebeuz> glick find ur user
[04:59] <mike1> Problem: wireless network
[04:59] <mchugh24> Hey , I used synaptc to upate firefox to 1.0.7 and I get error: Error: No running window found
[04:59] <none_-> mchugh24, use apt-get
[04:59] <sambagirl> what should i use CARLfX music player?'
[04:59] <glick> thanks Plebeuz
[04:59] <none_-> w
[04:59] <glick> how do i make the cvs repos sticky?
[04:59] <none_-> sambagirl, ??
[04:59] <Plebeuz> glick then u will see user:x:number:number:anithinmg
[04:59] <mchugh24> I thouth synaptic was a front end to apt get?
[05:00] <mike1> DWL-520 rev e  my system sees card, I give it essid --- no go?
[05:00] <Plebeuz> glick the second number is the number of group
[05:00] <none_-> mchugh24, it is but they are stilltwo different programs
[05:00] <Plebeuz> glick just set the properly number
[05:00] <glick> Plebeuz, thanks, yeah i remimber now
[05:00] <CarlFK> Segmentation fault!
[05:00] <mchugh24> ok I'll try it
[05:00] <sambagirl> segmentation fault?
[05:00] <sambagirl> ok
[05:00] <Plebeuz> glick in /etc/group u see the group number
[05:00] <CarlFK> its up again
[05:01] <Plebeuz> ok
[05:01] <CarlFK> now to find that IRC bot that lets you kick songs
[05:01] <none_-> kick songs?
[05:01] <Plebeuz> Hey people, are u tired to use sudo for config anything?
[05:01] <Trashcan> sudo -i
[05:01] <sambagirl> ok
[05:01] <Stricklin> I've got backups of my Thunderbird directory containing my mail and such from my Windows XP install that I just gave up on. Now I have Ubuntu and Thunderbird installed, and I'd like to transfer everything over, but I'm told I don't have the permissions to do that. I'm kinda a newbie to Linux. Would somebody give me a hand?
[05:02] <none_-> Plebeuz, sudo bash
[05:02] <KiwiKibi_> does ubuntu have SEL--Security Enhncd Linux?
[05:02] <CarlFK> none_- - i have an irc bot that has the ability to kick the current song
[05:02] <none_-> kick?
[05:02] <Trashcan> sudo -i = full root enviroonment
[05:02] <Trashcan> -o
[05:02] <mchugh24> pat-get gives: mozilla-firefox is already the newest version.
[05:02] <none_-> you mean send the file to someone else?
[05:03] <Aardvark> I'm pretty new to Linux, so I need to ask...is Ubuntu difficult to install?
[05:03] <Plebeuz> Hey just vi /etc/passwd then find ur user, then set the numbers user:x:1000:1000:/something , set 0 where u see numbers
[05:03] <CarlFK> none_- kinda, the song is being feed to my icecast server where others can dl the streem (normaly to listen to realtime)
[05:03] <none_-> Aardvark, it is easy enough
[05:03] <Plebeuz> then logoff and logon
[05:03] <Stricklin> Aardvark, I just did it and it was extremely painless.
[05:03] <Trashcan> plebeuz you're so stupid
[05:03] <Plebeuz> and u are administrator of the machine
[05:03] <kurtbec> Aardvark: its not bad at all.
[05:03] <none_-> CarlFK, ahhh
[05:04] <Aardvark> Nice...I tried installing Gentoo and it not only didn't work, but I also killed my Windows boot sector
[05:04] <ericz> i installed ubuntu from those free cd's they ship and i had to do almost nothing
[05:04] <none_-> gentoo is much more difficult
[05:04] <Aardvark> I didn't quite pull off the LILO thing correctly
[05:04] <mchugh24> apt-get gives: mozilla-firefox is already the newest version.
[05:04] <sambagirl> CARLFX dont i have rhythmbox
[05:04] <Aardvark> Yeah but my friend says it's supposed to be one of the best distros
[05:04] <kurtbec> Aardvark: Gentoo isn't hard just much more involved.
[05:04] <Aardvark> So I gave it a try
[05:04] <Aardvark> Yeah
[05:04] <none_-> it is one of the best. if not the best
[05:05] <durt> even though its slow
[05:05] <CarlFK> djbot is in the hose!  (#vfp house that is)
[05:05] <kurtbec> Aardvark: I really like Gentoo, but the compiling just finally got to me so I'm either going with kubuntu or Fedora we'll see what wins out
[05:05] <CarlFK> hose?
[05:05] <none_-> you mean the installation?
[05:06] <none_-> use distcc to compile in gentoo
[05:06] <kevogod_> If Fedora wins, I'd laugh.
[05:06] <Stricklin> Anybody?
[05:06] <flodine> breezy running like a champ
[05:06] <none_-> redhat sucks
[05:06] <kurtbec> distcc helps, but things still take forever unless you have very fast hardware.
[05:06] <none_-> has for a long time
[05:06] <kurtbec> none_-: that is one opinion.
[05:07] <none_-> kurtbec, i think you should be surprised how well it works
[05:07] <Toma-> offtopic chan plz..
[05:07] <none_-> should, would
[05:07] <Aardvark> The one very attractive thing about Gentoo is the emerge command...
[05:07] <sambagirl> CARLFX can i private message you?
[05:07] <CarlFK> sambagirl sure
[05:08] <Aardvark> It would rock if other distros picked it up
[05:08] <Toma-> if im mounting a drive for all users to read/write/exec, why doesnt 'auto defaults 0 0' work as the options in fstab?
[05:08] <none_-> Aardvark, you can easily install it on slackware
[05:08] <none_-> same with apt-get
[05:08] <CarlFK> sambagirl (and whoever else is listening) join #vfp to see the bot in action
[05:08] <Aardvark> Ah
[05:08] <none_-> or you could use linux from scratch
[05:08] <Aardvark> Heh
[05:08] <Aardvark> I'm a newbie so I only know a small amount
[05:09] <Aardvark> Like I know about RPM packs, but they aren't quite the same
[05:09] <kurtbec> none_-: i hope so.  I really do.  I've done rpm based distros since redhat 5.x and they are ok but I'm still looking for something that i really like.  Gentoo was very close, but the compiling finally got to me after over a yar.
[05:09] <dean> I was following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713 step#2 - 1. sudo apt-get install linux-686 if you haven't already.
[05:09] <dean> or -k7 or -686-smp or -386... whatever matches your kernel.[05:09] <none_-> well, apt-get is the best package manager
[05:09] <Aardvark> Cool, I should remember that
[05:10] <none_-> kurtbec, i recommend Linux From Scratch
[05:10] <none_-> the text explains everything you need
[05:10] <none_-> to know
[05:10] <kurtbec> none_-: definitely not LFS.  itsgreat but a management nightmare.
[05:11] <Aardvark> I was pretty saddened to find out that there are fewer free distros...Mandrake even sold out
[05:11] <Toma-> dean: the 386/686 part wont effect your nic
[05:11] <Trashcan> what's the development package to get?
[05:11] <Aardvark> So I'm glad there's Ubuntu
[05:11] <Trashcan> for breezy, that includes glibc etc.
[05:11] <none_-> kurtbec, agreed
[05:11] <glick> bob2, how do you make the cvs repos sticky?
[05:11] <dean> Toma - I'm  now getting an error when I reboot that says that an invalid module rt2500.ko  can not be loaded
[05:12] <Toma-> try getting rid of the .ko part
[05:12] <kurtbec> doing a dist-upgrade to breezy as we speak so we'll see how that goes :-)
[05:12] <bob2> glick: chmod g+s /whateva
[05:12] <dean> i'm pretty noob - how should I do that?
[05:13] <none_-> kurtbec, it's virtually stable at this point.. things should run smoothly
[05:13] <Toma-> dean: check to see if that "rt2500.ko" is in your /etc/modules
[05:13] <Toma-> if it is, get rid of the .ko and save
[05:13] <Toma-> bbl.
[05:13] <none_-> where's the rainbow shell?
[05:13] <kurtbec> none_-: I've hear mixed on breezy.  I've heard mostly good but a few that say that are quite a few bugs yet.  So  iguess it depeds on what you do.
[05:13] <dean> toma -thanks, but it's not in etc/modules
[05:14] <ivanoat1> can anyone recommend a PCMCIA wifi card that is known to work with ubuntu and supports WPA?
[05:14] <none_-> yeah, there are still bugs
[05:14] <malv> suppose I ssh into another computer, is there a way to run a gui application on that computers display?
[05:14] <none_-> most of them are not critical though
[05:15] <kurtbec> none_-: thats good
[05:15] <none_-> malv, you want to ssh to the X server or use VNC
[05:15] <dean> is there a log of the startup messages displayed before you can login to gnome?
[05:15] <malv> none_-: actually i figured i tout
[05:16] <none_-> cool
[05:16] <Toma-> ssh has x tunneling if its enabled
[05:16] <malv> just need to ssh, then do DISPLAY=:0 <gui>
[05:16] <malv> like my sister is using linux, and I like to control her pc from my room
[05:16] <bob2> charming
[05:17] <malv> well, i've been fiddling with samba, so I keep all the movies, tv episodes on my pc
[05:17] <Trashcan> lovely
[05:17] <none_-> is your sister hot?
[05:17] <iiiears> lol
[05:17] <malv> yea, she's super hot
[05:17] <Pablo_C> LOL!!
[05:17] <Trashcan> is Seveas here?
[05:17] <none_-> sweet
[05:17] <Trashcan> malv: you concern me
[05:17] <Trashcan> please, don't breed
[05:17] <Pablo_C> turn on her webcam server :P
[05:17] <malv> sometimes I hook her up with people I meet on Ubuntu chat
[05:17] <none_-> incest is universal
[05:18] <none_-> how old is your sister?
[05:18] <malv> dunno
[05:18] <bob2> none_-: malv enough
[05:18] <none_-> you don't have a sister, do you
[05:18] <malv> 16-18
[05:18] <bob2> none_-: malv as above
[05:18] <malv> probably 17, I suppose
[05:18] <malv> anywho, she can use ubuntu better than most
[05:19] <KiwiKibi_> I need to obtain KUbuntu in CD-ROMS: anyone have a URL where I can order it?
[05:19] <Pablo_C> malv you from birc or mc1?
[05:19] <net10> hello!
[05:19] <none_-> KiwiKibi_, www.kubuntu.org
[05:19] <malv> Pablo_C: dunno even know what you are asking
[05:19] <none_-> they are free
[05:19] <Pablo_C> ok great
[05:19] <Trashcan> !tell kiwikibi about kubuntu
[05:19] <Pablo_C> then you are not
[05:19] <bob2> I'm pretty sure kubuntu doesn't have shipit
[05:20] <none_-> really? suckage
[05:20] <justin_> ok how am i suppose to get sound working on ubuntu
[05:20] <justin_> it like does not work at all
[05:20] <crimsun> justin_: lspci -v|grep -i audio
[05:21] <none_-> KiwiKibi_, you could do the server install and then add kde
[05:21] <none_-> normal ubuntu
[05:21] <net10> can someone help me? i can't configure how to open the other ubuntu users in my network. i want to open their shared folder but i can't.
[05:21] <KiwiKibi_> Breezy == 5.__?
[05:21] <crimsun> 5.10
[05:21] <crimsun> [200] 5.October
[05:21] <odd-> hoary is 5.04
[05:21] <odd-> It came out this month?
[05:21] <KiwiKibi_> 'k
[05:21] <odd-> o_0
[05:21] <odd-> 5.10 came out this month?
[05:22] <crimsun> odd-: Breezy comes out in 12 days or thereabouts
[05:22] <Trashcan> 5.10 = breezy
[05:22] <none_-> not yet
[05:22] <odd-> oh fuck
[05:22] <odd-> 12 days?
[05:22] <justin_> ok..wait how am i suppose to like get sound working on ubuntu
[05:22] <malv> odd-: did you forget to prepare for your breezy launch party?
[05:22] <tritium> odd-, please watch the language
[05:22] <Trashcan> matt@ubuntuLaptop:~$ gcc
[05:22] <Trashcan>  bash: gcc: command not found
[05:22] <odd-> forgive me..
[05:22] <odd-> I don't run breezy..
[05:22] <none_-> Trashcan, apt-get install build-essential
[05:22] <net10> can someone give me an advice on how to open the shared folder in the other ubuntu users in my network? plleeeaaasssee...
[05:22] <odd-> I run hoary.
[05:22] <Trashcan> thank you, none
[05:22] <malv> now all the digg people are finding their way into this channel =(
[05:23] <tritium> justin_, listen to crimsun's advice
[05:23] <Trashcan> i asked what that was earlier
[05:23] <crimsun> justin_: open a Terminal and type the command I pasted above
[05:23] <none_-> that should do it
[05:23] <Trashcan> roger
[05:23] <none_-> :D
[05:23] <none_-> lol]
[05:23] <odd-> heya none
[05:23] <Pablo_C> hmm
[05:23] <dean> can anyone help getting my rt2500 NIC working?
[05:23] <Trashcan> yay
[05:23] <malv> dean: yea, they have drivers online
[05:24] <net10> hi tritium, can you me an advice on how to open the shared folder in the other ubuntu users in my network? plleeeaaasssee...
[05:24] <Pablo_C> how do I enable a network interface from cli?
[05:24] <malv> you need to get the linux headers
[05:24] <Trashcan> matt@ubuntuLaptop:~$ gcc
[05:24] <Trashcan> gcc: no input files
[05:24] <dean> malv I got them working, but ran into some problems...
[05:24] <malv> dean: what problem?
[05:24] <tritium> net10, how is it shared?
[05:24] <Pablo_C> how do I enable a network interface from cli?
[05:24] <tritium> Pablo_C, if it's listed in your /etc/network/interfaces, "sudo ifup <interface_name>"
[05:24] <net10> using samba @tritium
[05:24] <Pablo_C> ok
[05:24] <Pablo_C> ty
[05:25] <crimsun> even'n' tritium
[05:25] <tritium> net10, can you browse them?
[05:25] <bob2> Trashcan: yes, what are you hoping to do with gcc?
[05:25] <Trashcan> i'm a programmer
[05:25] <Trashcan> :o
[05:25] <tritium> hi crimsun!  I'm impressed - 1/2 a second after joining, you're answering questions :)
[05:25] <dean> malv - I was following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713 step#2 - 1. sudo apt-get install linux-686 if you haven't already.
[05:25] <crimsun> tritium ;)
[05:25] <dean> or -k7 or -686-smp or -386... whatever matches your kernel.[05:25] <justin_> ok
[05:25] <justin_> i did that
[05:25] <dean> malv - I'm  now getting an error when I reboot that says that an invalid module rt2500.ko  can not be loaded
[05:25] <justin_> now what
[05:26] <crimsun> justin_: and the output is...?
[05:26] <Trashcan> moreover i need g++, but wherever gcc was i was assuming to find it there
[05:26] <net10> yes, i can see the folder but when i try to open its contents, it says "the folder contents could not be displayed". @ tritium
[05:26] <Trashcan> now for tcl and tk :D
[05:26] <nootrope> How does one "right-click" with Ubuntu HH for PowerPC? I'm on a PowerBook.
[05:26] <malv> you need to recompile for that 686 version
[05:26] <tritium> net10, what happens when you go to Places->Network Servers ?
[05:26] <malv> you need the headers corresponding to it
[05:26] <bob2> Trashcan: install build-essential
[05:26] <Trashcan> yup, got it
[05:26] <Trashcan> :)
[05:26] <Trashcan> thanks
[05:26] <dean> let me see if I can figure it out malv... that should help
[05:26] <malv> dean: or you could just go back to the 386 version
[05:26] <dean> how can I revert?
[05:26] <bob2> Trashcan: you'll rarely need to run gcc manually, tho
[05:27] <justin_> i dont even know
[05:27] <Trashcan> I know
[05:27] <Trashcan> I figured wherever I would find g++, gcc would be there
[05:27] <Trashcan> erm
[05:27] <Trashcan> other way around
[05:27] <none_-> just apt-get install g++ then
[05:27] <bob2> ah
[05:27] <dean> malv can I just sudo apt-get install linux-386 now?
[05:27] <bob2> just g++ doesn't let you build exetcutables, tho
[05:27] <justin_> i dont even know what an output is
[05:27] <malv> try it
[05:27] <Trashcan> I know, bob
[05:27] <malv> should work
[05:27] <misfit_toy> biab, cigar time
[05:27] <bob2> orry, was talking to none_- :)
[05:28] <net10> we can see the shared folder but not the contents of it.
[05:28] <Toma-> misfit_toy: thats because they have a 4.95/min help hotline
[05:28] <Trashcan> ok :p
[05:28] <malv> it will automatically reconfigure grub and show both versions of the kernel
[05:28] <Pablo_C> tritium, if the interface is not there can I add it there?
[05:28] <malv> just make sure you boot up the right one
[05:28] <none_-> yeah, i'm not aware of the libraries that are needed
[05:28] <tritium> Pablo_C, if you're comfortable doing that.
[05:28] <Pablo_C> why wouldnt I be?
[05:28] <net10> we can see the shared folder but not the contents of it. @tritium
[05:28] <none_-> libstdc something
[05:29] <kurtbec> net10: what shared folder are you talking about?
[05:29] <Pablo_C> when I enable it is just imidiately disables through the setting
[05:29] <tritium> net10, not sure what to suggest
[05:29] <Pablo_C> I dont knwo what
[05:29] <none_-> or the header files
[05:29] <KiwiKibi_> which one is more stable: a Preview or a Colony?
[05:29] <crimsun> Preview
[05:30] <none_-> neither
[05:30] <Trashcan> :p
[05:30] <crimsun> although you should run Hoary if you want "stable" right this instant.
[05:30] <Trashcan> Anyone know exactly *which* RC breezy is?
[05:30] <KiwiKibi_> how is a stable release designated then?
[05:30] <net10> kurtbec: we set up a folder on desktop and shared it. we can see it and open it from other workstation. but the contents of that shared folder can't be opened.
[05:30] <crimsun> Breezy is Breezy.
[05:30] <crimsun> there is no other name for it.
[05:30] <malv> stability is underrated
[05:31] <Trashcan> RC = release candidate
[05:31] <Trashcan> breezy 'preview'
[05:31] <Trashcan> as in incomplete
[05:31] <none_-> KiwiKibi_, when they reach their goal for this release
[05:31] <TiMiDo> damn i hate this usb mouse, sucks
[05:31] <kurtbec> net10: so we are talking a samba share?
[05:31] <malv> TiMiDo: is it a microsoft mouse?
[05:31] <KiwiKibi_> WHICH FUCKING WORD INDICATES A RELEASE IS STABLE?  goddam it.
[05:31] <net10> kurtbec: yes it's a samba. we're using ubuntu 5.10.
[05:32] <Trashcan> lawl
[05:32] <dean> malv simply rebooting into i386 worked...
[05:32] <malv> dean: good to hear
[05:32] <Trashcan> nicely done, tritium
[05:32] <breakthestate> so i've really screwed up i've apt-getted mplayer-386 and mplayer-nogui and compile mplayer from source several times and removed them several times for different reasons, now when i apt-get mplayer-386
[05:32] <kurtbec> net10: trying to access it from the command line or from gui?
[05:32] <dean> malv: thanks for talking me through it.
[05:32] <malv> if you would like to get it working with the i686 kernel, just get the right kernel headers for that version and recompile
[05:32] <net10> kurtbec: from gui.
[05:32] <breakthestate> it won't find the codes even if i apt-get w32codecs beforehand
[05:32] <breakthestate> *codecs
[05:33] <none_-> try apt-get --reinstall install w32codecs
[05:33] <dean> malv should I be running 686 or 386 with a p4 1.2ghz?
[05:33] <malv> doesn't matter. both will work
[05:33] <breakthestate> none: then reinstall mplayer?
[05:33] <MadpilotPPC> breakthestate, the w32codecs aren't in any of the Ubuntu repos anymore, AFAIK
[05:33] <malv> one might give you marginal performance
[05:33] <breakthestate> even in the universe repos?
[05:33] <dean> thanks malv
[05:34] <none_-> metaverse
[05:34] <MadpilotPPC> !tell breakthestate about restricted
[05:34] <AnkhWeasel> Is there a quick and easy way to get microphone working in Ubuntu?
[05:34] <kurtbec> net10: gnome or kde?
[05:34] <malv> dean: no problem
[05:34] <crimsun> AnkhWeasel: depends on your sound chipset
[05:34] <MadpilotPPC> breakthestate, the w32codecs can be found, see the msg ubotu just sent you
[05:34] <net10> kurtbec: gnome
[05:34] <AnkhWeasel> Even if it works well in XP?
[05:34] <Trashcan> goddamn ubotu
[05:34] <Trashcan> not responding to PMs
[05:35] <Trashcan> !tell trashcan about ATI
[05:35] <breakthestate> Madpilot:  i think i'll be able to find the, thx.. we'll see what happens with my reinstalls
[05:35] <dbzdeath> anyone know why it would be laggy in firefox just to scroll down a page? something doesn't seem right... it takes full cpu when doing it
[05:35] <jackel> My firefox crashes everytime i go to a page with a video on it, anyone know how to fix it?
[05:35] <dbzdeath> btw i'm on breezy amd64
[05:35] <AnkhWeasel> 'kay, thanks.
[05:35] <Trashcan> dbz: probably your video drivers
[05:35] <dbzdeath> Trashcan: oh??
[05:35] <Trashcan> not being able to render the page fast enough
[05:36] <durt> jackel, i have the same problem with firefox 1.5 - so i use opera
[05:36] <dbzdeath> Trashcan: i have a nvidia card with the nvidia drivers installed
[05:36] <breakthestate> opera rules
[05:36] <Trashcan> :\
[05:36] <none_-> dbz that's a known bu
[05:36] <none_-> g
[05:36] <Trashcan> guess not then
[05:36] <breakthestate> and i hear opera is free now
[05:36] <none_-> check google
[05:36] <dbzdeath> none_-: ahhh?
[05:36] <dbzdeath> cheers
[05:36] <jackel> hmm
[05:36] <Trashcan> I figured it was the same as resizing windows
[05:36] <none_-> opera owns
[05:36] <Trashcan> <-- wrong drivers + resizing windows = laaaag
[05:36] <durt> it is free now - no more adds!
[05:36] <none_-> yep
[05:37] <none_-> download it now
[05:37] <jackel> durt, you know why it was happening?
[05:37] <malv> who pays for a browser anyways
[05:37] <none_-> it's worth it
[05:37] <dbzdeath> none_-: also i have this weird bug where browsing somewhere will open the page i go to in a new window with the window's name as two question marks and if i close the window all of firefox closes... its really weird .. are they related?
[05:37] <breakthestate> malv: it was cheap and good
[05:37] <crimsun> breakthestate: free as in beer.
[05:37] <MadpilotPPC> breakthestate, you still helped make it free for the rest of us... ;)
[05:37] <durt> jackel, i dont know why - i guess its unstable or something
[05:37] <breakthestate> mad: true true
[05:37] <misfit_toy> and I'll have the beer
[05:37] <none_-> dbzdeath, only because they are the fault of firefox
[05:38] <kurtbec> net10: have you tried going to File->Connect to Server and then choosing windows share?
[05:38] <jackel> durt, and with opera you can stream all the vids too?
[05:38] <dbzdeath> none_-: ... i mean are they the same bug??
[05:38] <breakthestate> apt-get install change DC laws so they sell beer past 10
[05:38] <durt> jackel: yes
[05:38] <lampshade> Gotta a general question about apt.  If apt is updating stuff... say firefox, and I'm using firefox, would it close firefox?  If it doesn't, how does it do the update?
[05:38] <none_-> dbzdeath, i don't think so
[05:38] <dbzdeath> none_-: thanks
[05:38] <enigma002> hello everyone
[05:38] <tritium> hello, enigma002
[05:38] <breakthestate> hi
[05:38] <enigma002> how are you tritium?
[05:39] <jc1013> hi
[05:39] <jc1013> I just got ubuntu install in my computer, this is pretty cool
[05:39] <tritium> doing well, thanks, enigma002
[05:39] <enigma002> thats great
[05:39] <tristanmike> lampshade, perhaps it applies the changes next time you start firefox
[05:39] <enigma002> yea i just installed it too
[05:39] <none_-> lampshade, you have to quit firefox for the update
[05:39] <enigma002> :D
[05:39] <enigma002> it ROCKS
[05:39] <tritium> :)
[05:39] <enigma002> few questions but
[05:39] <enigma002> :$
[05:39] <jc1013> yeah and is free!
[05:39] <enigma002> yep
[05:39] <lampshade> none_-:  so would it prompt or what?  Will apt just stop and be like hey quit this program?
[05:39] <enigma002> hey guys
[05:39] <jc1013> windows ain't got shit on this
[05:39] <lampshade> what if you are using a bash console and it needs to update bash?
[05:40] <none_-> it won't do anything
[05:40] <enigma002> i just orderd like 40 cds PC and 10 mack or something
[05:40] <enigma002> will they send it to me?
[05:40] <malv> yea
[05:40] <malv> they sent me 80 cds
[05:40] <enigma002> i am a computer admin at a uni collage
[05:40] <none_-> any programs already running are in RAM or swap
[05:40] <malv> I made an ubuntu suit of armor
[05:40] <enigma002> wow
[05:40] <enigma002> :D
[05:40] <enigma002> great
[05:40] <tritium> malv, that's not what they're for ;)
[05:40] <durt> the one thing windows has over ubuntu is playing wmvs
[05:40] <malv> now this ubuntu zealot will get some attention
[05:40] <jc1013> what's wmvs?
[05:40] <malv> nah, i plan to hand them out at the uni to freshman
[05:40] <MadpilotPPC> durt, you can play wmvs in x86 Ubuntu
[05:40] <breakthestate> durt: ubuntu can lay wmvs
[05:41] <jc1013> what is wmvs?
[05:41] <breakthestate> jc: a type of media file
[05:41] <durt> not wmv10s or whatever certain "adult site" offer
[05:41] <jc1013> oh for video
[05:41] <MadpilotPPC> jc1013, Windows Media Video, I think it stands for
[05:41] <malv> is it possible to play quicktime vids for free with ubuntu?
[05:41] <breakthestate> malv: i would guess so with mplayer
[05:42] <breakthestate> and the right codecs
[05:42] <tristanmike> malv, yes but you need the w32codecs
[05:42] <jc1013> is it possible to install excel in umbunto?
[05:42] <MadpilotPPC> malv, with w32codecs
[05:42] <malv> how about streaming quicktime?
[05:42] <none_-> yes pretty much every codec
[05:42] <none_-> will play on linux
[05:42] <enigma002> where can u get linux codecs?
[05:42] <malv> ok
[05:42] <malv> what about wmv 9?
[05:42] <tristanmike> malv, yeah, I stream from the quicktime trailers site all the time
[05:42] <MadpilotPPC> jc1013, OpenOffice will load most Excel files
[05:42] <durt> jc1013 - gnumeric works good
[05:42] <kurtbec> jc1013: you can run ms office apps very well with crossover office and maybe with stock wine.
[05:42] <drklogic_> (kubuntu hoary question) every couple hours amarok randomly crashes and i end up having to kill it, and it wont start back up again until i restart kde. anyone know anything about this problem?
[05:42] <breakthestate> malv: go to mplayerhq.com
[05:42] <none_-> malv, if you mean embedded video then you need the firefox plugin
[05:42] <MadpilotPPC> enigma002, they're all in the Ubuntu repositories
[05:43] <jc1013> thanks
[05:43] <malv> ok
[05:43] <enigma002> ohhh
[05:43] <lampshade> malv:  yeah vlc and other such players will play pretty well everything.  It is amazing
[05:43] <breakthestate> malv: but use apt-get to get it, don't compile from source
[05:43] <enigma002> where do i find repositories :$
[05:43] <enigma002> sorry im new to this
[05:43] <enigma002> ie 2hours new
[05:43] <enigma002> to linux
[05:43] <MadpilotPPC> !tell enigma002 about repos
[05:43] <jc1013> are you guys always in channel 1?
[05:43] <enigma002> :$
[05:43] <breakthestate> enigma: it's as hard as it seems
[05:43] <MadpilotPPC> enigma002, follow the msg that ubotu just sent you
[05:43] <enigma002> sure
[05:43] <enigma002> :D
[05:43] <enigma002> thanks
[05:43] <dmlinux> Hey guys, can ANYONE tell me why i cant edit  a XORG.CONF file, when i sudo nano it acts as if there is no file there
[05:44] <none_-> xorg.conf
[05:44] <none_-> all lowercase
[05:44] <dmlinux> i knw
[05:44] <none_-> it's in /etc/X11R6/
[05:44] <none_-> er
[05:44] <tritium> dmlinux, generally, you want to "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[05:44] <none_->  /etc/X11
[05:44] <malv> what is the firefox plugin called?
[05:44] <dmlinux> im trying to edit the xorg.conf for my input devices.
[05:44] <kurtbec> net10: you still there?
[05:44] <benh> heh
[05:45] <tristanmike> malv, media player connectivity
[05:45] <benh> breezy has this funky front-end on top of sysvinit
[05:45] <none_-> Malv there are a couple; i was thinking of the mplayer one
[05:45] <benh> but I didn't get it when upgrading from hoary
[05:45] <benh> it's a separate package ?
[05:45] <durt> its in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:46] <tritium> benh, it's in gnome-system-tools
[05:46] <benh> tritium: not the front-end for configuring
[05:46] <tritium> benh, yeah...
[05:46] <benh> tritium: the front-end at boot, instead of text mode, I get a gfx stuff with a progress bar
[05:46] <iiiears> did Breezy finally configure grub menu.lst correctly with various layouts?
[05:47] <dbzdeath> none_-: the memory leak bug??
[05:47] <tritium> benh, usplash?  sudo dpkg-reconfigure your linux-image
[05:48] <tritium> i.e., sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)
[05:48] <benh> tritium: hrm... not sure if it's the kernel bootsplash, looked more like a front end on sysvinit
[05:49] <benh> tritium: I'm using my own kernel, so that won't work :)
[05:49] <tritium> benh, oh, that's right.  Not sure how you can enable it in that case.
[05:49] <benh> tritium: breezy doesn't have fan control & working nvidiafb for that machine :)
[05:50] <tritium> benh, yeah, your iMac G5, right?
[05:51] <Trashcan> hey hey
[05:51] <Trashcan> problem  :o
[05:51] <Trashcan> I installed the ati drivers, and edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf like the wiki tutorial said
[05:51] <Trashcan> and then i reboot, and X fails to start, which wouldn't be a problem
[05:52] <dbzdeath> hey is it possible to install ubuntu on a mac?
[05:52] <Trashcan> but, the boot process halts
[05:52] <malv> dbzdeath: yea
[05:52] <Trashcan> it just sits there after 'Checking battery state'
[05:52] <malv> dbzdeath: you need the ppc edition
[05:52] <Trashcan> so i cant go in and change the xorg.conf back
[05:52] <dbzdeath> malv: cool... was just curious... if i ever get a mac i'll install it ;)
[05:52] <Trashcan> how do i stop X from initing before boot?
[05:52] <malv> dbzdeath: they will all be x86 very soon
[05:52] <durt> trashcan, can you boot up in recovery mode?
[05:53] <Trashcan> explain?
[05:53] <dbzdeath> malv: i know ... thats good :)
[05:53] <durt> hit ESC at when it says grub is loading and choose recovery mode
[05:53] <Trashcan> alright
[05:53] <Trashcan> will do
[05:53] <dbzdeath> don't need to run crummy mac software :P
[05:53] <Trashcan> another thing: can you reorder the boot process?
[05:53] <Trashcan> NTP starts up before PCMCIA
[05:53] <vladuz976> anybody know how to install japanese language support?
[05:53] <Trashcan> so my wireless card isn't on
[05:54] <Trashcan> and NTP fails
[05:54] <kurtbec> dbzdeath: i second that notion
[05:54] <dbzdeath> kurtbec: yay :)
[05:54] <malv> vladuz976: i think it's apt-get install language-support-ja
[05:54] <malv> correct me if I am wrong
[05:55] <Trashcan> cool, recovery worked
[05:55] <Trashcan> thanks
[05:55] <kurtbec> macs have caused me no end of grief in life.
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> i concur on that kurtbec
[05:55] <Trashcan> wtf... boots straight into root
[05:55] <malv> took me 5 days to figure out how to eject a floppy
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> much pain in the....
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:55] <Trashcan> so all someone has to do is walk up and reset the machine
[05:55] <kurtbec> they killed my innter child :-)
[05:55] <Trashcan> to get root
[05:55] <vladuz976> malv: i'll try
[05:55] <malv> i'll take a shotgun blast to the head over a mac =)
[05:55] <Trashcan> </3 mac
[05:55] <Trashcan> macs SUCK <-- imao
[05:56] <durt> trashcan, you can set a root pass then
[05:56] <malv> unless I got it for free, then its ok
[05:56] <dbzdeath> Trashcan: i agree,,, pc's are better... but hey what do you do when you get a free mac from a competition or something? install linux :P
[05:56] <Trashcan> won't having an active root account defeat the purpose of the sudo model?
[05:56] <kurtbec> hardware is mostly good, but software stinks
[05:56] <malv> sudo is still safer
[05:56] <dbzdeath> yeah
[05:56] <dbzdeath> mac's OS' are like windows to me... less choice than linux
[05:57] <malv> at least windows can game
[05:57] <dbzdeath> choice is good :D
[05:57] <dbzdeath> yeah true
[05:57] <kurtbec> yep still proprietary lock in no matter how you sugar coat it.
[05:57] <malv> with mac, I get nothing over linux... nothing... well, I do get an OpenGl driven desktop engine
[05:57] <malv> pretty icons too
[05:57] <dbzdeath> bah i'm pretty sure there are wm's like that for linux
[05:58] <malv> haven't found a truly awesome icon set for linux yet
[05:58] <djbrieck> hello
[05:58] <tritium> there's always #ubuntu-offtopic for extended discussion of other OSes
[05:58] <dbzdeath> haha sorry :/
[05:58] <kurtbec> you guys have seen the movie that a guy about why he hates macs right?
[05:58] <tritium> no worries, dbzdeath
[05:58] <dbzdeath> kurtbec: #ubuntu-offtopic :P
[05:58] <scanwinder> whats the command to restart xorg?
[05:59] <Trashcan> [20:57]  <dbzdeath> Trashcan: i agree,,, pc's are better... but hey what do you do when you get a free mac from a competition or something? install linux :P <-- for sure :D
[05:59] <malv> scanwinder: ctrl + alt + backspace
[05:59] <frogman> eh? what's this "colony 1-5" thing
[05:59] <Trashcan> aside from the inability to upgrade, ubuntu or freebsd on a mac with a 3 button mouse would be nice
[05:59] <Trashcan> but if its a lappy, the no-upgrade doesnt matter anyway
[05:59] <kurtbec> dbzdeath: sorry my bad.  that movie made me cry i laughed so hard.
[05:59] <Trashcan> I would very much like to have ubuntu on a nice mac lappy :D
[05:59] <tritium> Trashcan, what do you mean by "no upgrade" on ubuntu?
[05:59] <Trashcan> with a 3 button usb mouse
[06:00] <Trashcan> i mean to the hardware
[06:00] <dbzdeath> kurtbec: is that the one that the guy said he loves mac's and at the end it says this was made with a mac and the movie goes all shitty? mocking mac's
[06:00] <Trashcan> nice thing about PC is, I can upgrade it whenever i want
[06:00] <vladuz976> malv: that package translates packages into japanese, so i can read all the menus in japanese. but how can i type japanese?
[06:00] <Trashcan> and theres a sheer plethora of things to put in it
[06:00] <dbzdeath> Trashcan: yes! go modding
[06:00] <frogman> ubuntu on a nice pc lappy > ubuntu on a nice mac lappy (personally)
[06:00] <malv> vladuz976: oh, dunno
[06:00] <dbzdeath> mac lappies aren't bad
[06:00] <kurtbec> dbzdeath: no its a bit different than that.
[06:00] <lampshade> If I have the preview version installed and I am looking to upgrade to the real thing once it comes out, will I have to mod my apt sources at all or will it be transparent?  Like one day I just to apt-get update and upgrade and bam I have the official version?
[06:00] <frogman> not great either
[06:01] <dbzdeath> kurtbec: haven't seen it then
[06:01] <frogman> i've owned 3. and many pc lappies
[06:01] <dilmar> oi
[06:01] <dilmar> hellowwww
[06:01] <dilmar> hellowww
[06:01] <Trashcan> i like mac for the sexy-factor
[06:01] <dbzdeath> dilmar: HIIIIIIIIIII
[06:01] <tritium> hi, dilmar
[06:01] <CodenameROFL> harro
[06:02] <dilmar> hi
[06:02] <Trashcan> but mac is very much form over function
[06:02] <durt> i like porn for the sexy factor
[06:02] <Trashcan> heh
[06:02] <Trashcan> well... duh
[06:02] <dilmar> i don t understand
[06:02] <dbzdeath> hahaha'
[06:02] <malv> mac relies on image
[06:02] <dbzdeath> i don't really like apple much
[06:02] <dilmar> no
[06:02] <lampshade> mac is what linux should kinda aim for honestly....  it has the nice darwin shell underneath but on top has the nice pretty graphics art students love
[06:02] <WhiteRabbit> porn is for those who can't get more than 1 woman into bed at one time!
[06:02] <malv> overall, the experience, for me, is purely aesthetics
[06:02] <dilmar> i don't understand.....
[06:02] <tritium> please keep on topic
[06:02] <MadpilotPPC> **ahem** ubuntu-offtopic is nice and quiet, everyone... ;)
[06:02] <dbzdeath> hahaha
[06:03] <lampshade> haha
[06:03] <dilmar> hahahahha
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> you guys need to go over to #freenode to talk Pr0n
[06:03] <tritium> indeed, please not here
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> keep it on ubuntu please
[06:03] <dilmar> hellowwwwww
[06:03] <Trashcan> whats the command to regenerate the default xorg.conf?
[06:03] <WhiteRabbit> HEY
[06:03] <Trashcan> something happened and now it says it's incomplete :)
[06:03] <Trashcan> all i changed was 'ati'
[06:03] <dilmar> girl
[06:03] <lampshade> whatever, I saw the old cd covers... that was close to pr0n
[06:03] <tritium> Trashcan, you can reconfigure it with "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[06:03] <dilmar> hi
[06:03] <Trashcan> thanks
[06:04] <Trashcan> tritium saves the day again
[06:04] <dbzdeath> MadpilotPPC: i'm in it! they aren't :P
[06:04] <tritium> heh
[06:04] <dilmar> in problem in the clock
[06:04] <dilmar> 2 systens in one HD
[06:04] <dilmar> please, help-me
[06:04] <djbrieck> I am having so trouble with my wireless network card in my laptop
[06:04] <odd-> so, if you ssh to a boxen, and mplayer -vo aa file.avi , you get ascii movies
[06:05] <dilmar> bye
[06:05] <Dongdong> bye
[06:05] <djbrieck> it shows up and has a signal but will not conncect to the internet
[06:06] <djbrieck> system is a Dell Inspiron 8200
[06:06] <enigma002> i tried the repositorys but cant find one that will play WMP
[06:06] <djbrieck> Intel Pro/Wireless 2200 card
[06:06] <tritium> djbrieck, hoary?
[06:06] <catherine_> hi
[06:06] <djbrieck> 5.04
[06:06] <djbrieck> i think
[06:06] <nomasteryoda> djbrieck, you need ndiswrapper then
[06:06] <Trashcan> and xinit to start up X?
[06:06] <MadpilotPPC> enigma002, you can get the w32codecs for wmv
[06:06] <nomasteryoda> !tell djbrieck about ndiswrapper
[06:06] <Trashcan> after i've reconfigured
[06:06] <tritium> no, ipw2200 is supported without ndiswrapper
[06:06] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:06] <nomasteryoda> my bad
[06:07] <catherine_> ctc pls
[06:07] <Trashcan> yay
[06:07] <lampshade> yeah there is a sourceforge project for the ipw2200
[06:07] <Trashcan> x works
[06:07] <tritium> Trashcan, no, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[06:07] <Trashcan> thanks tritium
[06:07] <Trashcan> well
[06:07] <Trashcan> reboot
[06:07] <Trashcan> :p
[06:07] <desserie> hi
[06:07] <frogman> yeah, i was thinking: since when do any intel network cards not have linux driver support?
[06:07] <desserie> hi
[06:07] <tritium> djbrieck, the ipw2200 support in breezy is much better.  Care to upgrade?
[06:07] <crimsun> ipw2200 support in Breezy is excellent.
[06:08] <djbrieck> ok
[06:08] <iamsobored00566> i cant change the screen resolution
[06:08] <lampshade> crimsun: really??
[06:08] <tritium> yes!
[06:08] <iamsobored00566> i am using the live cd
[06:08] <iamsobored00566> anyone want to help?
[06:08] <lampshade> crimsun:  I haven't tried but have been waiting for it to be supported nicely
[06:08] <djbrieck> so I have to type sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start to get it to work
[06:08] <lampshade> crimsun:  Does it work well?  Are you using it??
[06:08] <Trashcan> so about boot reordering
[06:08] <tritium> lampshade, I'm using it as we speak
[06:09] <Trashcan> is it possible to move NTP start up to post-PCMCIA?
[06:09] <{X}> hi
[06:09] <Trashcan> NTP fails every boot, since the wireless hasn't been initialized yet
[06:09] <tritium> Trashcan, with update-rc.d, you can change things around
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> wahooo .. only 140 updates to go
[06:10] <Trashcan> :D
[06:10] <dmlinux> Ok guys
[06:11] <{X}> hi
[06:11] <{X}> ive just got ubuntu
[06:11] <dmlinux> Iam trying to edit a xorg.conf in /etc/x11/xorg.conf but evertime i do sudo nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf nano opens up a new file and doesnt open the existing... HOW DO I CHANGE THE READ ONLY for the xorf.conf so i can configure my Bluetooth mouse
[06:11] <{X}> is there any good programs i should install ?
[06:11] <{X}> !kde
[06:11] <ubotu> A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/
[06:11] <djbrieck> What should I try to get the ipw 2200 to work other than downloading 5.10
[06:12] <Trashcan> oh boy
[06:12] <tritium> djbrieck, most hoary users build more recent ipw2200 modules, which is a fair amount of work
[06:12] <Trashcan> i dont think im gonna touch update-rc.d yet :)
[06:12] <{X}> !ftp
[06:12] <ubotu> {X}: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[06:13] <Chinaman> anyone got cedega?
[06:13] <durt> yes chinaman
[06:14] <Chinaman> how would i set it up?
[06:14] <dmlinux> Iam trying to edit a xorg.conf in /etc/x11/xorg.conf but evertime i do sudo nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf nano opens up a new file and doesnt open the existing... HOW DO I CHANGE THE READ ONLY for the xorf.conf so i can configure my Bluetooth mouse
[06:14] <Chinaman> i got cedega package and point2play seperately
[06:14] <Chinaman> and the instructions in that thing are utterly confusing
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> dmlinux, you need to use X11 there
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> not x11
[06:14] <cosimo321> Hello all I have problem and need help
[06:15] <durt> chinaman, did you get a cedega deb?
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> cosimo321, ask it
[06:15] <Chinaman> durt: i got deb of both
[06:15] <cosimo321> I have downloaded both the nvidia drivers for my fx5200 pci card and my wacom tablet drivers.
[06:15] <cosimo321> However, I cannot install them
[06:16] <cosimo321> command line sees the pkg but when I try to install itsays no package exists
[06:16] <durt> chinaman, i dont know what pointyplay is - just install the cedega deb
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> !tell cosimo321 about nvidia
[06:16] <cosimo321> any Ideas?
[06:16] <Trashcan> did you typo? :o
[06:16] <Chinaman> durt i dpkg --install the cedega one
[06:16] <Chinaman> now what do i do?
[06:16] <cosimo321> what about the wacom dirvers?
[06:16] <Trashcan> anyone know the GMail info for evolution off the top of your head?
[06:17] <durt> chinaman, you run "cedega thegameinstallationfile.exe"
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> cosimo321, you should not need any special ones
[06:17] <Trashcan> pop3/smtp
[06:17] <tritium> cosimo321, you should use the ubuntu nvidia packages
[06:17] <hermit> hey guys i just did a fresh install of ubuntu and it rules! i have one problem though...
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> my wacom usb just works
[06:17] <hermit> for some reason, firefox is crashing when i go to www.meatspin.com
[06:17] <hermit> it has a flash thing on it but it works on other systems
[06:17] <cosimo321> nvidia pacage in ubuntu does not work with this card! have tried and video goes out completely
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> cosimo321, you just add some config settings to the xorg.conf file
[06:17] <Chinaman> o.0
[06:17] <hermit> it seems to be specific to ubuntu's default firefox
[06:17] <cosimo321> like what?
[06:17] <hermit> can anyone confirm the same behavior at meatspin.com with firefox?
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> cosimo321, then you need to install some more stuff
[06:17] <poincare_> q
[06:17] <cosimo321> OK!?
[06:18] <dmlinux> Does anyone know a better Application for manageing BLUETOOTH on Ubuntu Breezy
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> !tell cosimo321 about build-essential
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> see that ?
[06:18] <durt> hermit, you dirty bastard
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> do it
[06:18] <cosimo321> do what?
[06:18] <djbrieck> Are there any guide to building modules for the ipw2200
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> cosimo321, the other tab that opened
[06:18] <tritium> djbrieck, I saw one on the forums
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> you using xchat?
[06:18] <cosimo321> what are you talking about?
[06:18] <hermit> durt: did it crash you as well ?
[06:18] <tritium> I still think upgrading to breezy might be more pleasant, djbrieck
[06:18] <djbrieck> ok
[06:18] <hermit> cosimo321: talking about meatspin.com in firefox
[06:18] <Trashcan> hermit for some reason, firefox is crashing when i go to www.meatspin.com <-- someone wanna ban him?
[06:18] <cosimo321> yes xchat
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> cosimo321, the program you are chatting on?
[06:19] <cosimo321> xchat
[06:19] <hermit> Trashcan: hey man i'm sorry for finding a bug
[06:19] <jayr3n> hello guys
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> ubotu should have told you something
[06:19] <ubotu> nomasteryoda: Are you smoking crack?
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> in a nother tab
[06:19] <tritium> Trashcan, what is that URL?
[06:19] <hermit> it could be the flash plugin crashing but i dont know how to narrow it down
[06:19] <hermit> tritium: it's at meatspin.com
[06:19] <Trashcan> tritium: same category as tubgirl, goatse, and lemonparty
[06:19] <jayr3n> how can i install a driver for ati radeon 9250? and can directx be installed in ubuntu
[06:19] <MadpilotPPC> hermit, I'm Flashless here, that URL loads but has no real non-Flash content...
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> cosimo321, did you look at the nvidia readme?
[06:20] <tritium> Trashcan, oh
[06:20] <cosimo321> for some reason I feel like I am talking to lartians
[06:20] <hermit> MadpilotPPC: well then it must be a flash plugin issue
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> cosimo321, directions are pretty simple... but require those developer packages...
[06:20] <hermit> because it crashes here as soon as it starts to load
[06:20] <cosimo321> can anyone give me a good solution
[06:20] <hermit> i'll have to try getting the flash plugin from macromedia i guess
[06:20] <hermit> thanks for your help
[06:20] <Trashcan> shut up hermit... you're just pointing people to look at it
[06:20] <MadpilotPPC> hermit, it wouldn't surprise me; Ubuntu FF + Flash seems to be twitchy sometimes
[06:20] <setuid_w00t> Trashcan: to look at what?
[06:20] <Trashcan> I opened it and it came right up
[06:20] <Trashcan> no problems
[06:20] <Trashcan> I'm not repeating the url
[06:20] <hermit> MadpilotPPC: ah, i didn't know that was a known issue
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> tritium, can you tel cosimo321 what to do? what an xchat tab is?
[06:20] <hermit> setuid_w00t: meatspin.com
[06:21] <jayr3n> how can i install a driver for ati radeon 9250? and can directx be installed in ubuntu
[06:21] <hermit> warning: it may crash your browser
[06:21] <nomasteryoda> so he can get the !tell info ubotu is telling him
[06:21] <hermit> it does mine
[06:21] <tritium> nomasteryoda, sorry, wasn't following that thread.  Let me check...
[06:21] <MadpilotPPC> !+ati
[06:21] <ubotu> somebody said ati was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10&highlight=fglrx
[06:21] <MadpilotPPC> jayr3n, see ubotu ^^^
[06:21] <nomasteryoda> !nvidia
[06:21] <ubotu> well, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[06:21] <nomasteryoda> cosimo321, try that
[06:21] <nomasteryoda> very good direcitons
[06:21] <jayr3n> ok tnx i will check it out
[06:21] <frogman> i bet it doesnt crash your browser.. i've already seen it all though so i'm not a fun one to prank :)
[06:22] <tritium> cosimo321, what are you trying to do with xchat?
[06:22] <Chinaman> durt: would it run halo?
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> tritium, i think he saw it now
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> sees
[06:22] <tritium> thanks, nomasteryoda
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> np
[06:22] <Chinaman> durt: i'm trying to run it from my windows mount
[06:22] <kurtbec> y
[06:23] <durt> chinaman, it might
[06:23] <Chinaman> it says i need to free up memory
[06:23] <hermit> can you guys recommend another channel where i could get some help then? since everyone's just being hostile here
[06:23] <cosimo321> that package is unavailable
[06:23] <scanwinder> how do i use the command "cd" to get into a dir which has spaces in the name?
[06:24] <tritium> hermit, we're not big fans of your URL
[06:24] <hermit> tritium: neither am i, i like my browser to display pages, not disappear
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> Chinaman, cause it needs to write to the drive you have halo on... and it's an NTFS windows xp right?
[06:24] <scanwinder> wait, got it, dw
[06:24] <hermit> but it seems to be a bug
[06:24] <cosimo321> nvidia-glx is not avialable
[06:24] <Chinaman> nomasteryoda: yeah
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> cosimo321, the directions are basic.. the nvidia installer will work
[06:24] <tritium> it's in restricted, cosimo321
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> i have done it
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:25] <Chinaman> so basically i have to install it on my 5GB?
[06:25] <Chinaman> sigh...
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> Chinaman, sounds like it
[06:26] <mark> Hey guys - How do I install the multiverse thing so I have more aps like skype and stuff in synaptic?
[06:26] <procrastinationn> can u play wma ?
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> !tell mark about repos
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> procrastinationn, yes
[06:26] <mark> yes tell mark about repos
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> !tell procrastinationn about w32codecs
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> mark, it xchat opened a new tab with that info under ubotu
[06:27] <procrastinationn> i can play mp3's just not wma's
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> procrastinationn, not if you install w32codecs
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> !w32codecs
[06:27] <ubotu> well, w32codecs is a set of codecs for popular audio/video formats (wmv etc). Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/87ofx (Breezy). 64-bit? See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399
[06:27] <mark> nomasteryoda thanks
[06:28] <WhiteRabbit> But that codecs libary is not legal
[06:28] <WhiteRabbit> why advertise piracy
[06:28] <procrastinationn> can i play wma's and mp3's
[06:28] <nomasteryoda> for the lame xchat users on this channel... xchat opens tabs you can ... Ubotu does that too to help keep down noise
[06:28] <franci> alguem aqui fala portugues
[06:28] <nomasteryoda> mark, np
[06:28] <nomasteryoda> !tell franci about ubuntu-es
[06:28] <nomasteryoda> as close as i know to portugues
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> mabye they have a channel ?
[06:29] <franci> ok tanks
[06:29] <MadpilotPPC> !+pt
[06:29] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigada.
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> ah, good
[06:29] <franci> !+pt
[06:29] <procrastinationn> so i can play mp3's and wma's
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> yes
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> procrastinationn, after installing w32codecs
[06:30] <procrastinationn> where do i get the codec's fpr wms
[06:30] <MadpilotPPC> procrastinationn, the w32codecs pack will run mp3, wma, and a whole pile of other stuff too
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> !repos
[06:30] <ubotu> well, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> sorry guys, but people don't know how to use x-chat
[06:31] <procrastinationn> so why wont it now i can play mp3's
[06:31] <MadpilotPPC> procrastinationn, you've already been given the w32codec info - scroll back up!
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> thanks MadpilotPPC
[06:31] <Chinaman> omfg, it is installing
[06:31] <wickedpuppy> nomasteryoda, x-chat is no difference from mirc
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> right
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> well, people should use xchat... =)
[06:31] <tritium> nomasteryoda, hey, who are you calling lame?  ;)
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> if they are onubuntu
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:32] <dbzdeath> nomasteryoda: xchat pwns :)
[06:32] <MadpilotPPC> XChat is awful...
[06:32] <esac> did they change the lock screen dialog? it used to be ubuntu brown, and now it's cool looking, and i don't think i changed anything
[06:32] <dougsk> MadpilotPPC, so what else would you suggest?
[06:32] <crimsun> esac: yes, it changed. And it rocks.
[06:33] <esac> i agree !
[06:33] <franci> ja estou no cnal -br, obrigado
[06:33] <MadpilotPPC> dougsk, on my own machine I use Opera, with integrated IRC - much slicker than XChat...
[06:33] <dougsk> MadpilotPPC, hmm, never tried, I suppose I should now that there is a free beer version
[06:34] <dougsk> MadpilotPPC, I use epic and xchat and am pretty much lost in all others
[06:34] <esac> now all they have to do is change the splash screen when logging into gnome, and when booting :)
[06:35] <Chinaman> nomasteryoda: so basically, we don't even NEED point2play?
[06:36] <vladuz976> are there other input methods othe than scim that support japanese and work in breezy?
[06:36] <hondje> scim is the best
[06:37] <esac> where is the shm directory supposed to be ? i don't see one
[06:37] <vladuz976> hondje: it doesn't work in breezy
[06:37] <dikadika> is there a good way to extract single files from a windows .exe?
[06:38] <esac> dikadika: did you just try unzip file.exe ?
[06:38] <hondje> hrm, can you use anthy by itself?
[06:38] <dikadika> esac, havent tried, i'll give that a shot thanks
[06:39] <dikadika> my hero
[06:39] <dikadika> thanks
[06:39] <Carpe_Libertatem> I need to install Linux to an old machine with little resources, so I am going to start with a server install and add a Window manager - what is a good one for an older machine? Would Fluxbox work?
[06:39] <ivanoat1> strange question, but is there an equivalent in ubunto to the mac's expose where you can see all your windows at once? I am addicted to that..!
[06:40] <wickedpuppy> yup
[06:40] <wickedpuppy> fluxbox would be nice
[06:40] <Carpe_Libertatem> ivanoat1: Install kompose
[06:40] <ivanoat1> sweet, thanks
[06:40] <Carpe_Libertatem> ivanoat1: it is meant for KDE, but I found it works in Ubuntu GNOME fine
[06:40] <dikadika> Carpe_Libertatem, fux is a low resource WM with lotsof feathers
[06:40] <dikadika> *flux
[06:40] <Carpe_Libertatem> So you think it'd be best?
[06:41] <durt> anyone with opera know how to change the drop-down menu color to something other than gray?
[06:41] <wickedpuppy> Carpe_Libertatem, there is only one way to find out :P
[06:41] <breakthestate> carpe: you still want so use ubuntu?
[06:41] <breakthestate> on this machine
[06:41] <lampshade> what is kompose?
[06:41] <dikadika> Carpe_Libertatem, i dont have much exp with low resource WM's but i've used flux and it is real good
[06:41] <Carpe_Libertatem> breakthestate, it's for a friend, DSL wouldn't install on it for some reason.
[06:42] <Carpe_Libertatem> lampshade, use google :-P
[06:42] <breakthestate> carpe: i'd try slack10.2 and not install kde, you can pick xfce for your desktop environment and wm, it works good on my old computer
[06:42] <odd-> I dislike kde
[06:42] <lampshade> Carpe_Libertatem:  in the time it took you to type that you could have just given a nice friendly description... I wasn't looking for instruction on compiling it from source :-/
[06:42] <odd-> that's what got me into ubuntu in the first place
[06:43] <breakthestate> carpe: how old are we talking with this computer?
[06:43] <ivanoat1> I did apt-get install kompose but it's asking me for my cdrom drive, which is in another state! any work-arounds?
[06:43] <Carpe_Libertatem> pg266, 2gb hdd, 128mb ram
[06:44] <breakthestate> ivan: do you know what repos are in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[06:44] <MadpilotPPC> ivanoat1, you need to remove the CD from your sources
[06:44] <Pablo_C> drive to the other state
[06:44] <jayr> wer can i get this xorg-driver-fglrx?
[06:44] <Carpe_Libertatem> er
[06:44] <Carpe_Libertatem> p266*
[06:44] <ivanoat1> lol, 14 hours later... thanks.. will check sources.list
[06:45] <breakthestate> carpe: does that mean a pentium II ?
[06:45] <Carpe_Libertatem> I'd say so.
[06:45] <mbpillai> fglrx modules from ubuntu restricted tree .  I it in compiled form
[06:46] <breakthestate> oh, all my computers are pentium III, so i don't know if slack would work well on a pentium II, but i think it could
[06:46] <jayr> what?
[06:46] <jayr> wer can i find drivers for ati radeon 9250?
[06:46] <Carpe_Libertatem> Does slack have apt-get ? :-P
[06:46] <hondje> it has slapt-get
[06:47] <poincare_> hey
[06:48] <jayr> wer can i find drivers for ati radeon 9250?
[06:48] <Chinaman> durt / nomasteryoda: i'm still getting same message
[06:48] <breakthestate> carpe: no, you have to compile stuff, they have an imitation, slapt, but i haven't tried it, i don't think it's that easy - is there an ubuntu lite of any sort?
[06:49] <Chinaman> even after i installed it onto my nix
[06:49] <djbrieck> can Ntfs be viewed by ubuntu?
[06:49] <Carpe_Libertatem> I'll just try server install and fluxbox on top, report my findings
[06:49] <MadpilotPPC> !tell jayr about ati
[06:49] <Carpe_Libertatem> ;-)
[06:50] <lampshade> djbrieck:yes but write is dangerous
[06:50] <djbrieck> ok how do i do it?
[06:51] <breakthestate> carpe: i definitely want to know how that goes
[06:51] <hondje> djbrieck: You mount it, and change to that directory
[06:51] <jayr> wer can i find drivers for ati radeon 9250?
[06:51] <hondje> mount -t ntfs /dev/whatever /place/you/want/to/mount/it
[06:51] <Trashcan> !tell jayr about ati
[06:52] <djbrieck> ok
[06:52] <djbrieck> thanks
[06:52] <dougsk_> hondje: should the -r option be used as well or does it default to read only?
[06:52] <MadpilotPPC> jayr, ubotu should have sent you at least two messages by now - please check them for more information!
[06:53] <jayr> wer is E: Couldn't find package xorg-driver-fglrx
[06:53] <jayr> wen i follow the instructions
[06:53] <jayr> wats the xorg-driver?
[06:53] <Trashcan> a driver for x.org
[06:53] <jayr> wer can i get dat
[06:54] <Trashcan> open a terminal
[06:54] <yoink> !tell yoink about ati
[06:54] <Trashcan> and type this
[06:54] <jayr> ok
[06:54] <Trashcan> sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver
[06:54] <dougsk_> jayr: that package is in the restrcited repository, afaik that's enabled by default
[06:55] <Trashcan> type it exactly like that
[06:55] <jayr> ok wait
[06:55] <Trashcan> then it will ask for your password
[06:55] <jayr> E: Couldn't find package fglrx-driver
[06:55] <Trashcan> your repo's are fucked up
[06:56] <wickedpuppy> lol
[06:56] <Trashcan> !tell jayr about repos
[06:56] <lightsource> d
[06:56] <lightsource> how can I upgrade from 5.04 to 5.10??
[06:56] <MadpilotPPC> jayr, which version of Ubuntu are you running?
[06:57] <Trashcan> !tell lightsource about breezy
[06:57] <jayr> 5.10
[06:57] <graham> !tell graham about breezy
[06:57] <Trashcan> apt-get chooses the correct package when you specify fglrx-driver
[06:57] <Trashcan> (that is, it picks the xorg driver instead)
[07:01] <Trashcan> wtf
[07:01] <jayr> wat package do i need to get fglrx-driver
[07:02] <Trashcan> * matthew<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu ("Leaving"
[07:02] <Trashcan> my name is matthew
[07:02] <tritium> it's xorg-driver-fglrx, jayr
[07:02] <_RB_> heyas. having major trouble with mysqld. it stalls my bootup, so i want to know how to skip/cancel it while booting so i can get in to re-install mysql
[07:02] <Trashcan> and im <IP_ADDRESS>.ph.ph.cox.net
[07:02] <Trashcan> thats fucking creepy
[07:02] <_RB_> anyone know how to get around this ?
[07:03] <tritium> language, please, Trashcan
[07:03] <Trashcan> sorry
[07:03] <Doonz> if i do the upgrade to breezy will it chjange  fstab and other files?
[07:03] <jayr> i searched dat in synaptic no package found
[07:03] <_RB_> i cant get into do anything till i can get past this
[07:04] <tritium> jayr, setup your repositories like ubotu told you
[07:04] <dougsk> _RB_ mv /etc/rc2.d/s##mysql kmysql
[07:04] <dougsk> _RD_ rather jsut change the S in /etc/rc2 to K
[07:04] <jayr> hmmm
[07:05] <_RB_> dougsk I cant get a shell. after the grub loader, it doesn't let me do anything and it just loads up till it gets to mysqld, which doesn't go any further
[07:05] <jayr> how? and wat do i need to setup
[07:05] <Trashcan> jayr
[07:05] <Trashcan> ubotu gave you a link
[07:05] <ubotu> Trashcan: I don't know, could you explain it?
[07:05] <Trashcan> click the link
[07:05] <Trashcan> read the tutorial
[07:05] <Trashcan> do what it says
[07:05] <dougsk> _RB_ isn't there a method to boot single user from the grub prompt?
[07:06] <jayr> i dont know wat repository to add
[07:06] <Trashcan> universe
[07:06] <Trashcan> it should be in one of the ones already there
[07:06] <tritium> !info xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:06] <ubotu> xorg-driver-fglrx: (Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators), section restricted/misc, is optional. Version: 6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu11 (hoary), Packaged size: 3110 kB, Installed size: 9940 kB
[07:06] <tritium> restricted ^^^
[07:06] <Trashcan> ah, nevermind
[07:06] <Trashcan> restricted :)
[07:06] <_RB_> nah. theres a standard boot, a recovery boot, which fails on eth0 media plugger or something, and a memtest, and two xp boots. thats the only reason i can get on the web
[07:07] <Carpe_Libertatem> after I install fluxbox, how do I start it from cli?
[07:07] <breakthestate> startx  ?
[07:07] <dougsk> _RB_ use edit and then pick your kernel and then append init=/bin/bash or somesuch shoudl probably get you in remount rw / once you have a prompt
[07:08] <_RB_> once i get a prompt i'll just apt-get the bugger off my system
[07:08] <mbpillai> uncommend the lines  1.  deb http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted   2. deb http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted and 3. deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restrictedricted  save the file issue the command apt-get update apt-get install      xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:08] <Trashcan> if ubuntu is meant to be an easy, more user-friendly distro, then why does it start vsFTPd and an SMTP daemon on a clean install?
[07:08] <tritium> you can edit the boot parameters in the grub console
[07:08] <Trashcan> rather non-user-friendly to open holes right off the bat
[07:08] <tritium> It doesn't start ftpd of any kind, Trashcan
[07:08] <bob2> tritium: it doesn't
[07:08] <bob2> er
[07:08] <bob2> Trashcan: no, it doesn't do either of those things
[07:09] <kaging> where could i see the pppoe.conf in ubuntu live cd?
[07:09] <Trashcan> i scanned myself, 21 and 25 open
[07:09] <_RB_> k. i'll try that
[07:09] <bob2> Trashcan: because you installed vsftpd
[07:09] <Trashcan> on a clean install
[07:09] <tritium> no way
[07:09] <bob2> Trashcan: and configured psotfix to listen on that
[07:09] <bob2> Trashcan: no, that is not the case
[07:09] <Trashcan> is that postfix on 25?
[07:09] <_RB_> will i have to munt before i can apt-get ? the last command it boot, and it is the one that eventually stalls
[07:09] <dougsk> Trashcan, I think 25 is open to localhost so that hould be expected of scannning from the local, but I doubt 21
[07:10] <Trashcan> :\
[07:10] <bob2> Trashcan: presumably, but it only listens to things on the same machine by default
[07:10] <Trashcan> ahh, ok
[07:10] <_RB_> mount*
[07:11] <dougsk> _RB_, when booting single user the default is a read-only file system so you'll need to remount the partition containing /etc (ususally /) as writeable thus the remount
[07:11] <Trashcan> You guys must be right.. I probably picked an extra package or installed it in an auto-dep somewhere
[07:11] <pbutter> hey guys, is there a command i can type in to make it update to ubuntu breezy?
[07:11] <bob2> it's highly unlikely a change like that would slip through
[07:11] <jayr> after adding the repository wat do i need 2 do?
[07:11] <Trashcan> !tell pbutter about breezy
[07:11] <bob2> it was decided before warty that nothing would listen by default
[07:11] <_RB_> do i just put this instead of "boot", to ensure the kernel is in there etc ?
[07:11] <Trashcan> a good decision for sure..
[07:11] <bob2> pbutter: wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[07:12] <pbutter> is there any particular advantage to breezy?
[07:12] <_RB_> i'll have a bash at it anyway
[07:12] <_RB_> cyas
[07:12] <_RB_> hopefully not from xp
[07:12] <Carpe_Libertatem> Ack, how can I apt-get fluxbox on a server installation? Flux isn't in default repos?
[07:12] <crimsun> it's in universe.
[07:13] <breakthestate> Trashcan: can you "tell" me about breezy too, (i have no clue about all these irc commands)
[07:13] <Trashcan> !tell breakthestate about breezy
[07:13] <Trashcan> :)
[07:13] <Trashcan> it's the ubotu bot
[07:13] <Trashcan> he's freakin wikid
[07:14] <s3[mn] rain> Hi, I have dual monitors with two x servers 0.0 and 0.1, is there anyway to move a window from one to the other while it is open?
[07:14] <breakthestate> holy $$#! that's cool
[07:14] <bob2> s3[mn] rain: no
[07:14] <bob2> s3[mn] rain: if you want that, use xinerama
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> s3[mn] rain,  hmm... you are the first to ask that :P that i have ever seen. Lol.
[07:14] <Trashcan> Does anyone know of a good working NASM syntax file for gnome?
[07:14] <Trashcan> for highlighting in gedit
[07:14] <breakthestate> s3: sure isn't, better just send me that other monitor, he he, jk, i'm not sure
[07:15] <Tiggs> how do i get java for ubuntu? firefox faills and it says i have to intall it manually
[07:15] <breakthestate> trashcan: can you !tell me more about the ubotu bot?
[07:15] <s3[mn] rain> bob2: ive tried every  combo of dual monitors lol, this is the only one that does what I want, so I guess I just forfeit that benefit
[07:15] <Trashcan> breakthestate: type /msg ubotu help
[07:15] <jayr> i added the univers repositry
[07:15] <jayr> wat do i need to do?
[07:16] <HappyFool> !tell Tiggs about java
[07:16] <bob2> Trashcan: emacs can
[07:16] <s3[mn] rain> if you put a ball of tinfoil into a bottle of hydrocloric acid, then you get java
[07:16] <jayr> wer is this fglrx-driver
[07:16] <ndisy> i accidently changed my permissions in ubuntu and now cannot run anything requiring root as i get " Child terminated with 1 status" any help?
[07:16] <iiiears> May i "Borrow" a working smb.conf?   pastebin?
[07:16] <jayr> wer is it located
[07:16] <Trashcan> bahhh emacs :p
[07:16] <mr_roboto> Tiggs: I don't know what the "right" ubuntu way is but I installed Sun's JDK and it works fine
[07:16] <s3[mn] rain> jayr: it should be in the ubuntu repositories
[07:17] <iiiears> do you have a link to a working config file?
[07:17] <Trashcan> iiiears: hang on
[07:17] <iiiears> Whew Thank You :)
[07:17] <MadpilotPPC> !tell breakthestate about ubotu
[07:17] <jayr> is dat the name
[07:18] <jayr> wen i search it thers nothing
[07:18] <s3[mn] rain> jayr: "fglrx"
[07:18] <ndisy> i accidently changed my permissions in ubuntu and now cannot run anything requiring root as i get " Child terminated with 1 status" any help?
[07:18] <yoink> hey all, im having so much trouble getting backports working, and im sure my sources.list is right, any ideas?
[07:18] <HappyFool> jayr: are you following the ati page on the wiki?
[07:18] <Trashcan> iiieas: http://trashes.pastebin.com/380271
[07:18] <Trashcan> /etc/samba/smb.conf
[07:19] <Trashcan> per default configuration
[07:19] <HappyFool> ndisy: how did you change your permissions?
[07:19] <MadpilotPPC> !tell yoink about backports
[07:19] <iiiears> Outstanding - thank you.
[07:19] <ndisy> with sudo chown -R
[07:19] <HappyFool> of what?
[07:19] <Trashcan> no problem iiiears
[07:19] <bob2> yoink: questions like that should be accompanied with urls to pastebin's showing us your sources.list and apt output
[07:20] <iiiears> sometimes configuring everything by text is great powerful - other days it just plain confusing
[07:20] <Carpe_Libertatem> How do I start xserver and flux?
[07:20] <libervisco> I'm missing qtmlClient.dll for playing a mov file
[07:20] <jayr> is it under xserver-xorg-driver-ati
[07:20] <jayr> X.Org X server
[07:21] <Trashcan> so how exactly do things get added to the universe? is there a !tell about that?
[07:21] <dallas> what is the command to figure out which kernel version you are running?
[07:21] <jayr> yes
[07:21] <bob2> Carpe_Libertatem: echo fluxbox > ~/.xsession ; startx
[07:21] <bob2> Trashcan: /j #ubuntu-motu
[07:21] <bob2> Trashcan: someone packages it, and someone from MOTU uploads it
[07:21] <HappyFool> dallas: uname -a
[07:21] <libervisco> Where could I find it? I tried searching in repositories (with synaptic) and google, but no luck
[07:21] <bob2> Trashcan: something not being in universe usually means it's crap, non-free or unpopular
[07:21] <Trashcan> ahhh ok
[07:21] <Trashcan> thanks
[07:21] <jayr> @happyfool yes i followed it always return this wen i type in terminal Couldn't find package xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:21] <jayr> \
[07:21] <Trashcan> masters of the universe :p
[07:21] <Trashcan> nice
[07:22] <bob2> libervisco: that sounds highly unlikely to be in ubuntu
[07:22] <ndisy> any help HappyFool? i changed it with sudo chown -R
[07:22] <HappyFool> ndisy: what did you change?
[07:22] <bob2> libervisco: go find a w32codecs .deb
[07:22] <ndisy> my usr folder
[07:22] <jayr> why is dis flgrx-driver
[07:22] <jayr>  missing
[07:23] <Trashcan> this community rocks
[07:23] <jayr> wer is this located
[07:23] <Trashcan> everyone is helpful
[07:23] <Carpe_Libertatem> bob2, do you know the package name for the server?
[07:23] <Carpe_Libertatem> ;-)
[07:23] <Trashcan> especially bob
[07:23] <HappyFool> jayr: it's in 'restricted'; you need to setup your repositories
[07:23] <Carpe_Libertatem> xserver*
[07:23] <bob2> Carpe_Libertatem: server?
[07:23] <jayr> the universe 1?
[07:23] <mbpillai> try the command "apt-cache search  xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:23] <HappyFool> ndisy: hmm. ok, you'll probably need to reboot in rescue (or recovery) mode
[07:23] <bob2> jayr: ignore whatever web page you are reading
[07:23] <libervisco> bob2, ok.. thanks.. I'm looking for it now..
[07:23] <ndisy> and try sudo?
[07:23] <HappyFool> no, sudo is in /usr
[07:24] <ndisy> try sudo in recovery?
[07:24] <HappyFool> ndisy: in recovery mode you'll be root
[07:24] <HappyFool> ndisy: i.e., no need for sudo etc
[07:24] <ndisy> what should i do when im in?
[07:24] <HappyFool> ndisy: anyway, in recovery mode run 'chown -R root.root /usr'
[07:24] <ndisy> ok
[07:24] <HappyFool> then reboot and hope for the best
[07:24] <ndisy> thankyou
[07:24] <jayr> @mbpillai i typed it and return nothing
[07:24] <MadpilotPPC> bob2, the ATI wiki page doesn't have Breezy-specific info on it yet - I think that's what has jayr confused...
[07:25] <HappyFool> i'm not sure if every file in /usr is supposed to be owned by root, but that's about the best i can do -- i think there are over 100,000 files in /usr, so fixing manually won't work
[07:25] <mbpillai> jayr: modify /etc/apt/sources.list file  and issue the command "apt-get update"
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> heh - i just got ati working today on my X200m laptop with Breezy. took 3 min.
[07:25] <bob2> if you screwed /usr, reinstall
[07:25] <Trashcan> hehe
[07:25] <Carpe_Libertatem> What is the package name for the Xserver?
[07:25] <bob2> and be way way way more carefulin future
[07:25] <HappyFool> too late, he left
[07:25] <bob2> Carpe_Libertatem: install x-window-system-core
[07:26] <Trashcan> dr_willis: its fairly straightforward. Unfortunately my card is too old to be supported :)
[07:26] <jayr> ok
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> Trashcan,  last month mine was too new to be supported. :P
[07:27] <Trashcan> :p
[07:27] <joetheodd> Hey, I just tried using JuK and it won't play at all.
[07:27] <Trashcan> this is a junker laptop
[07:27] <Trashcan> compaq armada m700
[07:27] <Trashcan> but i got it free from microsoft, so its a linux box now :)
[07:27] <chavo> joetheodd, try kicking it.
[07:27] <joetheodd> chavo: I'm afraid I'll hurt my toe. My box is made of metal, you know. =(
[07:28] <chavo> joetheodd, do you use gnome or KDE?
[07:28] <joetheodd> chavo: gnome
[07:29] <gpd> err... wtf with the repositories?
[07:29] <chavo> try going to Settings -> Output To -> and then click Gstreamer
[07:29] <s3[mn] rain> gpd: err? what do you speak of?
[07:29] <jayr> @mbpillai how do i modify the sources.list?
[07:29] <crimsun> gpd: apache probably died again.
[07:29] <gpd> I seem to be getting connection refused on us.archive.
[07:29] <StoneTable> same here
[07:30] <joetheodd> chavo: still nothing.
[07:30] <Trashcan> so do the devs actually come here?
[07:30] <joetheodd> StoneTable and gpd: I think their down.
[07:30] <joetheodd> jayr: sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:31] <crimsun> Trashcan: yes.
[07:31] <joetheodd> Trashcan: I think they might, but its open tech support. I don't work for ubuntu
[07:31] <breakthestate> Trash: my favorite things are junker laptops, have three (didn't pay over $50 for any of them) and all linux boxes now
[07:31] <mbpillai> gedit /etc/apt/sources.list  (you should have root permissions for that)
[07:31] <Trashcan> :D
[07:32] <Trashcan> I love the open-ness of linux
[07:32] <joetheodd> mbpillai: You might want to prepend messages with the name their targeted at, because most IRC clients give some notification if your name is said
[07:32] <MadpilotPPC> !tell jayr about repos
[07:32] <Trashcan> even the communities are open
[07:32] <joetheodd> Does anyone here have experience with JuK not playing at all with both arts and gsteamer?
[07:32] <HappyFool> ndisy: after you left, bob2 recommended a reinstall
[07:33] <Trashcan> aye
[07:33] <breakthestate> i just got gmplayer working as a plugin in firefox, but am running into problems when streams are javascript links, any tips?
[07:33] <ndisy> reinstall? can i keep any files?
[07:33] <ormandj> any ldap gurus around? i'm trying to design a nice setup and i've not used LDAP before from the administrative perspective, and want to make sure i'm not screwing up. i've got the o'reilly book but it turned out not to be such a huge help..
[07:33] <yoink> !tell yoink sources.list
[07:34] <ndisy> will it save my settings?
[07:34] <oblivian_nixx> ccc.rizon.neet
[07:34] <yoink> !tell yoink about sources.list
[07:34] <HappyFool> ndisy: no, you'll need to back your personal files up
[07:34] <ormandj> oh yea, and the archives seem to be down again :P
[07:34] <ndisy> ok, maybe ill just wait till breezy badger untill i reinstall
[07:34] <ndisy> thanx anyway
[07:34] <thoreauputic> !tell yoink about sources
[07:34] <yoink> thoreauputic, thx
[07:35] <thoreauputic> yoink: np :)
[07:35] <joetheodd_> wee
[07:35] <joetheodd> yo whats up self?
[07:35] <joetheodd> =)
[07:36] <Trashcan> wow
[07:36] <Trashcan> an op
[07:36] <Trashcan> 1 op out of 470 people... you must be proud
[07:36] <joetheodd> omg pheer.. op.. MUST.. /BOW!!!
[07:36] <snausages> how can i create a new partition to backup my files?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> Trashcan: we hide most of the time ;)
[07:36] <Trashcan> hehe
[07:36] <MadpilotPPC> Trashcan, our ops tend to lurk...
[07:36] <joetheodd> snausages: Thats a big risky thing to do, asuming the space is already partitioned
[07:36] <ivoks> uh
[07:37] <Trashcan> very risky
[07:37] <joetheodd> snausages: I asume you want to shrink a partition in order to make a new one out of its space?
[07:37] <ivoks> lots of people
[07:37] <Trashcan> does ubuntu have a built in partition-magic type app?
[07:37] <Trashcan> for resizing
[07:37] <yarddog> why would i being get apt-get update, connection refused for breezy?
[07:37] <snausages> joetheodd yes
[07:37] <joetheodd> snausages: You probably want to go out and buy a 10GB disk, they're down to like 20 bucks
[07:37] <fizdev> hi, is it me or the repositories are down?
[07:37] <HappyFool> yarddog: there have been reports of us.archive being down
[07:37] <thoreauputic> yarddog: it seems the us archive has issues ATM
[07:37] <joetheodd> yarddog fizdev: The repositorys are down.
[07:37] <yarddog> ahhh, ok thx
[07:37] <snausages> i was hoping i could ge by without investing money hehe
[07:38] <ivoks> thoreauputic: all archives
[07:38] <fizdev> alright, thanks
[07:38] <joetheodd> thoreauptic: Wanna put that in the topic?
[07:38] <jayr> is the fglrx included in the xserver-xorg-driver ati
[07:38] <thoreauputic> ivoks: oh really ? hmm
[07:38] <vladuz976> is there a documentation to ubuntu, something like redhat and novell has?
[07:38] <ali4728> courier-imap Port 143 wont respond to remote client even though firewall is open! Any idea why?
[07:38] <none_-> are the breezy repositories down?
[07:38] <joetheodd> snausages: Well, I have extra disks laying arround =p
[07:38] <joetheodd> none_-: Yes.
[07:38] <HappyFool> jayr: on hoary, it's in the xorg-driver-fglrx package; i don't know about breezy
[07:38] <none_-> danb
[07:38] <snausages> joetheodd you should dcc one to me
[07:38] <none_-> damn that is
[07:39] <joetheodd> snausages: I mean physical hard disks =p
[07:39] <jayr> i cant find it in breezy
[07:39] <mbpillai> jayr: no it is a seperate module
[07:39] <snausages> joetheodd haha i'm aware of that
[07:39] <snausages> =D
[07:39] <joetheodd> snausages: Hah, ok
[07:39] <jayr> can u guide me how to get dat module
[07:39] <jayr> wer is it located or how can i get it
[07:39] <snausages> i guess im just gonna burn to cd
[07:40] <joetheodd> jayr: when the repositiorys are back up, you should do sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx in a console.
[07:40] <joetheodd> er, sudo should be bold too, but oh well.
[07:40] <breakthestate> but back to this partition resizing thing, is it possible on ubuntu? and what with?
[07:40] <mbpillai> jayr : switch to a direct chat
[07:41] <joetheodd> breakthestate: Look into partition-magic. It can shrink a partition, but its risky
[07:41] <joetheodd> breakthestate: What partition type do you use? ext3?
[07:41] <mr_roboto> breakthestate: you could try parted
[07:41] <joetheodd> breakthestate: I'm pretty sure it supports ext2, but I don't know about 3.
[07:41] <joetheodd> brb grabbing some sammichz~
[07:42] <nomasteryoda> joetheodd, sure parted does.. since gparted is just a fancy frontend and can be installed in ubuntu
[07:42] <nomasteryoda> ext3 support that is
[07:43] <zwnj> security.ubuntu.com refuses http connections.  what's the problem?
[07:44] <ali4728> Help courier-imap Port 143 wont respond to remote client even though firewall is open! Any idea why?
[07:44] <thoreauputic> zwnj: servers are down - investigating
[07:44] <zwnj> thoreauputic: uhu, thanks
[07:44] <MadpilotPPC> archive.ubuntu and security seem to be down
[07:44] <aeruder> er... archive.ubuntu.com down?
[07:44] <aeruder> ok, that answers that
[07:45] <zwnj> putting a note in the topic is good ;)
[07:45] <difeta> i'm trying to update my sources, but I keep getting an error connection refused. Is something goingon?
[07:45] <MadpilotPPC> difeta, repo servers are down...
[07:45] <crimsun> use a mirror.
[07:45] <difeta> MadpilotPPC, ahh man, is one of the mirros up?
[07:45] <crimsun> wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[07:45] <Trashcan> woot... I made a change to the wiki
[07:45] <Trashcan> I feel helpful now :)
[07:46] <MadpilotPPC> !+mirror
[07:46] <ubotu> somebody said mirror was repository mirrors can be found through http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[07:49] <nybble> repos down again?
[07:49] <rjordan> Anyone else having trouble fetching packages? I keep getting... nvm....
[07:50] <dmlinux> Anyone else having problems updating repositories??
[07:50] <rjordan> nybble, I guess so...
[07:50] <rjordan> can a mod update the topic pls?
[07:50] <hans> are other scanner programs available than Sane, because Sane cannot find my scanner
[07:51] <CruzBulli> I have about webmin and apache2....
[07:51] <dmlinux> Anyone here experienced in bluetooth mice and Ubuntu?
[07:51] <CruzBulli> where is the "Path to httpd executable" ?
[07:51] <Trashcan> doesn't the sudo deal break webmin?
[07:51] <CruzBulli> doesn't help it
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> Trashcan,  i  think if you make a root user password - befor you install webmin - you will be ok.
[07:52] <Trashcan> ah
[07:52] <Trashcan> alright
[07:52] <difeta> anybody  know of an apt source that has mythtv?
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> the sudo deal also breaks a few other thigs I think. :P
[07:52] <MadpilotPPC> hans, have you googled your scanner or checked the SANE homepage?
[07:52] <Trashcan> one would imagine ;)
[07:52] <CruzBulli> how do I do that? Sorry really newbie here
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> Trashcan,  some of the breakage is due to ubuntu guys being security paranoid. :P
[07:52] <dmlinux> Anyone here experienced in bluetooth mice and Ubuntu?
[07:52] <Trashcan> hehe
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> Trashcan,  ever try the CUPS web interface yet?
[07:53] <mikerhead> breezy's got mythtv
[07:53] <Trashcan> personally I like the sudo idea very much
[07:53] <hans> yes I have, my scanner is unsupported by Sane
[07:53] <Trashcan> nope
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> Trashcan,  you can look but not change anything. :(
[07:53] <Trashcan> I found it strange today, I rebooted in recovery mode and was dropped to a root term !?
[07:53] <dmlinux> Anyone else having problems updating repositories??
[07:53] <hondje> That's normal
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. dident think it did that.
[07:53] <zwnj> how i can setup a mirror?
[07:53] <hondje> root's not gone
[07:53] <Trashcan> I havn't set a root password yet
[07:53] <hondje> you can sudo -s and get a root shell too
[07:53] <Trashcan> and I wasn't planning on it
[07:53] <hondje> You don't need one :)
[07:54] <Trashcan> yeah hondje
[07:54] <deFrysk> dmlinux, yes I changed http yo ftp and it worked fine again
[07:54] <Trashcan> (afaik sudo -i is cleaner, as it sets root env vars)
[07:54] <deFrysk> to*
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> Trashcan,  i use the 'sux' command :P for my su'ing needs
[07:54] <Trashcan> lol
[07:54] <hondje> I think the logic there is, if physical security is a concern, booting into root is low on the worry list
[07:55] <Trashcan> at least it's well protected from things like buffer overflows
[07:55] <hans> I am sorry, my scanner is NOT supported by Sane
[07:56] <gp_aaron> what is up with the servers?
[07:56] <rjordan> god-zero, they are down...
[07:56] <Trashcan> the word around town is down
[07:56] <glauc> Hey guys, whats a good cheap hardware SATA raid card?
[07:56] <mikerhead> fr.archive.ubuntu.com seems to be up
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> They are Down like .... somthing thats really down...
[07:56] <CruzBulli> "The Apache configuration file /etc/apache2//conf/httpd.conf does not exist."
[07:56] <CruzBulli> what is it giving me that?
[07:57] <ormandj> CruzBulli, because it doesn't exist? :) ls /etc/apache2/conf
[07:57] <liable> well, as far as i can determine a sendmail entry in /etc/hosts.allow was fuxoring my exim local deliveries..
[07:57] <liable> oops
[07:58] <CruzBulli> ok, but that doesn't work either
[07:59] <dmlinux> Why is hidd-connect <address> giving me a HID create error?
[07:59] <fr33mind> Do you have some problems to apt-get update?
[07:59] <dmlinux> me? yes
[07:59] <fr33mind> ok I'm not alone so..
[08:00] <Trashcan> fr33mind: the servers are down
[08:00] <ksmurf> Is there anyone using kubuntu here?
[08:00] <nybble> use http://opensourcemirrors.org/ubuntu instead
[08:00] <nybble> thats all i'm saying
[08:00] <fr33mind> Is there mirror for security.ubuntu....
[08:01] <fr33mind> I used fr.archive.... but for security?
[08:01] <rjordan> the servers do seem to be up if you want to use ftp.
[08:02] <rjordan> speaking of which, anyone know where to put these downloaded packages so apt will install them?
[08:02] <mark> Hey guys I am new to linux and, du, unbuntu. I messed up my synaptic when I tried to add multiverse / universe repositories. I get this amoung other similar errors. W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net_dists_hoary-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[08:02] <nybble> fr33mind: http://opensourcemirrors.org/ubuntu
[08:02] <nybble> fr33mind: has them all
[08:03] <dmlinux> Why is hidd-connect <address> giving me a HID create error?
[08:03] <fr33mind> good thanks... ftp work ;)
[08:03] <WinZ> marcellus, the servers are down for a while
[08:03] <WinZ> mark, the servers are down for a while
[08:03] <hondje> mark: the site is down, it's not you
[08:03] <CruzBulli> so where is the "Path to httpd executable" ?
[08:03] <dewd> what happened to the servers? any idea?
[08:04] <rjordan> CruzBulli, if it's in your PATH you can do which httpd to find out
[08:04] <mark> WinZ and Hondje thanks for the answer.  Why are they down? Planned or crashed?
[08:04] <CruzBulli> not sure I understand that
[08:05] <rjordan> CruzBulli, in a terminal type "which httpd" and it may print out the full path to your httpd binary
[08:05] <CruzBulli> ok
[08:05] <jay-ar> r d ubuntu servers down?
[08:05] <CruzBulli> thanks
[08:06] <gp_aaron> ths is bad
[08:06] <gp_aaron> I just turned a kid onto ubuntu
[08:06] <Trashcan> why is that bad
[08:06] <Trashcan> :D
[08:06] <gp_aaron> and now he's trying to set up
[08:06] <hondje> someone should topic about the servers
[08:06] <gp_aaron> but he cant
[08:06] <Trashcan> oh boy
[08:06] <Trashcan> :\
[08:06] <rjordan> are there any OPS?
[08:06] <gp_aaron> cause he can't install anything
[08:06] <hondje> !ops
[08:06] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ops is Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, and Nalioth
[08:06] <Trashcan> right when the servers go down
[08:06] <Trashcan> that sucks
[08:06] <Trashcan> tell him to have faith :)
[08:06] <blumer> hehehe, well that answers the question I came in here for. :)
[08:06] <hans> can somebody help with a parallel port scanner
[08:07] <gp_aaron> I told him, " look it is 2 am, go to sleep, try in the morning:)"
[08:07] <Trashcan> hehe
[08:07] <jrattner1> i know this is weird question to ask, does anyone know if you can watch live NFL games on the internet
[08:07] <Trashcan> pff 2am... that's nothin!
[08:07] <hondje> jrattner1: off nfl.com?
[08:07] <Trashcan> jrattner: nfl.com?
[08:07] <fabbione> ??
[08:07] <hondje> If so, yes you can
[08:07] <mark> So what is up with the servers?
[08:08] <iiiears> mark,  this is a working sources list http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/380286
[08:08] <rjordan> mark, I DoSed them with my 1337 windows botnet.
[08:08] <mark> iiiears, what is that for?
[08:08] <fabbione> amen
[08:08] <fabbione> mark: they are just down...
[08:08] <mark> rjordan, ha ha ha
[08:08] <fabbione> nothing to be worried about
[08:08] <rjordan> iiiears, TY
[08:09] <iiiears> mark, - thought you said your sources list was munged.
[08:09] <Trashcan> !tell me about colonies
[08:09] <mark> iiiears, I said I kept getting an error with synaptic and i was told it was b/c the servers are down. If I keep getting it when they come back up I will ask again
[08:09] <hondje> !tell me about colonies
[08:09] <hondje> !colonies
[08:09] <ubotu> hondje: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[08:09] <mark> iiiears, thanks for the help though
[08:10] <Trashcan> !tell me about colony
[08:10] <iiiears> ah, okay. - grin
[08:10] <hondje> sarcastic little thing
[08:10] <hondje> !colony
[08:10] <WinZ> !help
[08:10] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, hondje
[08:10] <jrattner1> hondje, you can on NFL.com?
[08:10] <hondje> jrattner1: yes
[08:10] <hondje> jrattner1: you need to add things, though...default install won't let you
[08:11] <hondje> Specifically, the w32codecs package
[08:11] <eythian> hi, anyone know how to make kmail show up looking nice while running Gnome?
[08:11] <jrattner1> hondje, are you sure you can watch live feeds? I.E the jets game tomorrow
[08:11] <Trashcan> !+mirrors
[08:11] <ubotu> Trashcan: Do they come in packets of five?
[08:11] <Trashcan> !+mirror
[08:11] <ubotu> rumour has it, mirror is repository mirrors can be found through http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[08:11] <gp_aaron> hopefully the servers are up by tomorrow
[08:12] <hondje> jrattner1: I've never had a problem with the video on their site
[08:12] <ormandj> any reason the repositories are so unstable?
[08:12] <gp_aaron> I'd hate to see another user turned off cause it didn't work right away
[08:12] <gp_aaron> sadly I left ubuntu awhile back
[08:12] <CruzBulli> in webmin what file do they mean by apache "Path to httpd executable" I still don't understand
[08:12] <hondje> jrattner1: But I haven't watched a live feed in a long time, so if they changed to something really weird I can't guarantee it...but if you have all the video stuff installed, it 'should' be just fine
[08:13] <hondje> I can guarantee it worked the last time I used it, last season
[08:13] <ormandj> CruzBulli, tell it the location to apache's binary/executable
[08:13] <jrattner1> hondje, could you offer me a link, I have all the video stuff im just curious where to get the feed
[08:13] <rjordan> if you're in the midwest http://ubuntu.mirrors.tds.net/ubuntu/ is a good mirror.
[08:14] <blumer> hey!
[08:14] <blumer> Are they working again?
[08:15] <blumer> oh, no ...
[08:15] <hondje> jrattner1: it was subscription only IIRC
[08:15] <blumer> I just forgot what I was doing. :\
[08:15] <CruzBulli> (ormandj) CruzBulli, tell it the location to apache's binary/executable sorry but where would I find that?
[08:15] <hondje> they're all hosted on some level3 farm though, so probably can get it if you know someone
[08:15] <jrattner1> holycow, where can i subscribe
[08:16] <ormandj> if anybody is in hawaii i have a mirror i run :P
[08:16] <wickedpuppy> CruzBulli, /etc/init.d/apache2
[08:16] <ormandj> wickedpuppy, that's not the binary i think
[08:16] <CruzBulli> The Apache configuration file /etc/apache2/conf/httpd.conf does not exist.
[08:17] <CruzBulli> so it's adding the httpd.conf
[08:17] <wickedpuppy> ormandj, then how you start stop and restart apache2 from command line ?
[08:17] <ormandj> wickedpuppy, in ubuntu, you use that init script you linked to.
[08:17] <ormandj> but that's not the executable :P
[08:18] <ormandj> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/  <-- go here CruzBulli
[08:18] <CruzBulli> thanks
[08:18] <MachineScrew> can any one tell me what happened with the mirrors
[08:18] <crimsun> archive's back.
[08:18] <Trashcan> machine: they were down
[08:18] <MachineScrew> they back
[08:19] <Trashcan> anyone hear a cause yet?
[08:19] <crimsun> apache2 down.
[08:19] <crimsun> anyhow, nothing to see, move along.
[08:19] <iiiears> CruzBulli - check this out - a very sophisticated server setup made simple step by step.  http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2005-09-26-008-26-OS-HL-SV
[08:19] <Trashcan> :p
[08:19] <Trashcan> *removes mirror from repos*
[08:19] <Cicakman> is it only me that  http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net  repository is not working?
[08:20] <aizatto> Ubuntu should have a website displaying the live status of repositories
[08:20] <hondje> not a bad idea
[08:21] <CruzBulli> thanks a lot iiiears
[08:22] <cevizoglu> aizatto, why don't you write a bash script that does it...
[08:22] <ormandj> cevizoglu, a bash script doesn't help everybody :)
[08:23] <Trashcan> heh
[08:23] <Trashcan> someone wanna give me a list of all the repos?
[08:23] <cevizoglu> ormandj, why, because some people have removed bash?
[08:23] <kairu0> anyone recommend or not recommend serpentine for making audio cd?