[00:14] <mapps> hey
[00:28] <daftykins> \o
[00:37] <popey> pip pip
[00:38] <daftykins> good flight sir?
[00:39] <popey> yeah. need to sleep now
[01:06] <daftykins> :>
[07:06] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:49] <jussi> cup of tea someone?
[07:49] <jussi> please?
[07:50] <MooDoo> yes please
[07:50] <jussi> MooDoo: I wasnt offering, I was begging! :P
[07:50] <MooDoo> pah!
[08:00] <jussi> toast with cheese and vegemite, breakfaast of champions :D
[08:05] <MartijnVdS> morning all
[08:08] <MooDoo> morning MartijnVdS
[08:09] <MartijnVdS> my GPS + NTP raspberry pi thingy works \o/
[08:09] <MooDoo> yay, i didn't even play with my Pi at the weekend, it's still in it's box :S
[08:09] <MartijnVdS> o<IP_ADDRESS>    .GPS.            0 l    2    8  377    0.000    0.001   0.001
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> now I have to order a second Pi to run collectd all over my network (printer, router, NTP server, ...)
[08:39] <DJones> jussi: Vegemite? Have you moved to Australia
[08:40] <jussi> DJones: I AM an aussie...
[08:40] <jussi> a lucky one to have vegemite here in finland :D
[08:41] <DJones> Heh, I've two jars in the cupboard, trouble is there's only me that eats it at home, jars last forever
[08:42] <popey> clearly not putting enough on your toast ☻
[08:43] <jussi> DJones: i have similar issues... :D
[08:43] <DJones> :)
[08:43] <popey> I made some bread rolls last night.. yeast was off so they're somewhat rock-like
[08:43] <jussi> mind you, it does last forever..
[08:43] <jussi> DJones: one thing though - learn to use it as a salt replacement in soups...
[08:43] <jussi> and other savoury dishes
[08:43] <jussi> works really well
[08:44] <DJones> Thats an interesting idea
[08:44] <DJones> I can understand it though
[08:45] <popey> also, put on roast potatoes
[08:45] <DJones> popey: Before or after cooking
[08:45] <jussi> or in mashed pumpkin :D
[08:45] <DJones> eww, don't like pumpkin
[08:46] <popey> I'm sure these marmite recipes will work with vegemite too -> http://tinyurl.com/ppwfwkn
[08:46] <popey> (I have that book)
[08:46] <jussi> popey: looks good
[08:46] <popey> there is also a little book linked on that page which is neat
[08:47] <DJones> INteresting idea, might try that
[08:47] <popey> got it as a stocking filler
[08:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> Vegemite is no where near as strong as Marmite.
[08:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> We had some mates who went back to Aus and left us a jar. Wasn't imporessed at all. You need to put *LOADS* on a bit of toast.
[08:49] <SuperMatt> have we discussed debian going systemd yet?
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: yes, last night :)
[08:51] <SuperMatt> what did everyone think?
[08:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh - Who won?
[08:53] <popey> not exactly clear yet ☻
[08:54] <popey> AlanBell: did you mention something about your keyboard going US layout ?
[08:54] <SuperMatt> I'm still against binary logs!
[08:54] <popey> mine has done it
[08:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: That was me I think.
[08:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> Did it a few weeks ago.
[08:55] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: I still haven't seen convincing arguments to switch, other than the "IT'S BETTAR!!!!111" fanboy brigade
[08:58] <diplo> Morning all
[08:58] <diplo> popey: Mine did it a few weeks ago as well
[09:15] <popey> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856164010
[09:15] <popey> *boggle*
[09:15] <popey> pc with built in projector
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> won't that become very hot very fast?
[09:15] <popey> probably a little LED jobbie, so not so much
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> or have there been improvements in projector land? :)
[09:16] <popey> nice if you want a single box integrated media pc and display
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> it does look cool
[09:20] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:20] <jussi> popey: looks nice for a meeting room solution
[09:28] <ali1234> the epson projectors i used to work with had built in PCs
[09:29] <AlanBell> popey: yeah, it did flip to US layout a bit, but an update/reboot fixed it, I also lost chromium theme for a bit at the same time
[09:30] <AlanBell> and yeah, that is an interesting little PC/projector, not sure I want one, but I can see that it is potentially useful
[09:33] <ali1234> http://img.publish.it168.com/2004/0115/images/116583.jpg
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: that's  *huge* beast compared to that new one though
[09:33] <ali1234> yes it is
[09:34] <ali1234> they were damn heavy
[09:34] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Clean Out Your Computer Day! :-D
[09:34]  * MartijnVdS runs some rm -rf commands for JamesTait
[09:34] <ali1234> they were incredibly bright though
[09:34] <JamesTait> Thanks, MartijnVdS. :)
[09:34] <ali1234> also they cost like £20000
[09:34] <JamesTait> Wait, where did all my code go?
[09:34] <ali1234> just a replacement lamp cost more than the new thing
[09:35]  * JamesTait hugs launchpad
[09:49] <bashrc> morning
[09:50] <MooDoo> morning bashrc
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: BOFH style -- "Well, let's see, you have 4 Meg available."
[09:54] <JamesTait> :D
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> Question from someone I know in the UK: "Anyone with car insurance in the UK... What's an average price? I think in getting hosed because of my US drivers license."
[09:57] <shauno> I don't have insurance in the UK, but .. I expect they are.  and probably should be.
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> shauno: still, there's "a bit more" and "twice as much"
[09:59] <shauno> maybe, maybe not.  worth noting that inexperienced american drivers are dangerous.  every single guest I've had from the states who's rented a car has been side-swiped because they looked the wrong way before pulling forward
[09:59] <shauno> so they genuinely are a high-risk for insurers
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> shauno: she's lived there for several years now
[10:00] <shauno> then they shouldn't be on a US licence, that's only kosher for the first year
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> I have no idea then
[10:01] <shauno> that's going to be the big catch - if they're on a US licence, they'll be treated as a visitor because they shouldn't be using it if they're resident
[10:02] <shauno> of course, I'll defer to anyone who can actually answer your question, just .. things I learnt from marrying a yank ;)
[10:03] <directhex> yeah, you need a local license
[10:04] <shauno> http://gov.uk/driving-nongb-licence is fairly straight-forward
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> thanks :) I'll pass the knowledge on
[10:04] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: I've paid £450 for car insurance, but now I'm older it seems to be about £250 a year.
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: wow.. I'm on €220-ish
[10:06]  * MartijnVdS must be very old :(
[10:06] <dwatkins> nah, you don't live in an expensive country ;)
[10:06] <dwatkins> I'm also in a city, I park my car at the side of the road as I have no garage etc.
[10:07] <jussi> I paid ~1500€ when I was in ireland... even with full 70% discount
[10:07] <jussi> crazy expensive there
[10:07] <dwatkins> What did you drive, jussi - a Ferrari? ;)
[10:07] <jussi> dwatkins: a polo!
[10:07]  * dwatkins has a 1998 Peugeot 306 (diesel)
[10:07] <dwatkins> wow, jussi - that's insane
[10:08] <jussi> yep
[10:09]  * MartijnVdS has a '02 Smart
[10:10] <directhex> a polo is a high risk car
[10:10] <shauno> just asked the chap next to me, e540/yr including his wife who's a new driver
[10:11] <dwatkins> how come a Polo is more high risk than a Peugeot 306?
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: the type of drivers it attracts
[10:11] <directhex> dwatkins, polo is popular amongst bad drivers
[10:11] <shauno> and no-one wants to steal a french car ;)
[10:11] <directhex> it's not about your car, it's about the driver - but some cars are driven by different types of driver than others
[10:11] <dwatkins> I thought that was BMWs ;)
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: Audis
[10:12] <directhex> dwatkins, polo is a new learner car
[10:12] <dwatkins> Don't get me started on insanely tall/large cars being used by people who could just as effectively have a mini to take the kids to school in ;)
[10:12] <directhex> stats show polos have more accidents than other comparable cars, as a result
[10:12] <directhex> see also corsa @ 500
[10:12] <directhex> &
[10:13] <dwatkins> I was also thinking of rht Ford Fiesta...
[10:13] <dwatkins> *the
[10:13] <directhex> bsm use fiat 500 now
[10:14] <popey> dwatkins: i take my kids to school in a V70, should I have a smaller car?
[10:14] <dwatkins> popey: Volvos are large for a reason, that's fine.
[10:14] <popey> missed point I think ☻
[10:14] <dwatkins> also, a different kind of large
[10:14] <popey> i use my volvo because it's my only car
[10:15] <popey> I'm not about to replace my large car with a small car
[10:15] <directhex> is the v70 the SUV they advertised on the basis of product placement in twilight?
[10:15] <popey> because then I can't fit suitcases in it when we go on holiday
[10:15] <popey> or I can't fit xmas tree in it, or other crap I take to the dump
[10:15] <dwatkins> I'm thinking of the SUV-style cars which seem to be big just so people can look over the traffic, and are normally spotless.
[10:15] <brobostigon> good morning boys and girls.
[10:15] <popey> same deal
[10:15] <dwatkins> hiya brobostigon
[10:15] <popey> I'd love an SUV if I had the money for fuel
[10:15] <popey> because it's comfy, nice ride height for safe driving.. fit luggage in.. etc
[10:15] <brobostigon> hi dwatkins
[10:16] <directhex> i have a personal rule - "new car gets better mileage than old car"
[10:16] <dwatkins> yeah, that's part of my problem with them, popey - also, that I can't see over/through them when I'm driving behind, and that as a cyclist, I suspect they can't see me so easily.
[10:16] <dwatkins> as in I have issues with the amount of fuel they use, being so large.
[10:16] <shauno> I still <3 minis.  I don't worry so much about not being able to fit suitcases in them, they can't fly far enough
[10:16] <popey> right
[10:16] <brobostigon> even if the new car is a mclaren p1, a hybrid, and a supercar. lol.
[10:16] <popey> but your argument was "that person should have a different car because of the one use case I've seen them use it for"
[10:17] <popey> which is misguided, people use cars for different things (non shocker)
[10:17] <dwatkins> fair enough, I'm thinking of the kinds of people who have a "Chelsea tractor" (i.e. 4x4) and only use it to take the kids to school, not as an actual 4x4.
[10:18] <popey> right, but again you're assuming
[10:18] <popey> people do that a lot.
[10:18] <dwatkins> true, it's also annoying not being able to see through them, much like with vans.
[10:18] <dwatkins> I just can't see a reason for having an SUV, I guess.
[10:19] <popey> kids asked for a pocket minecraft server
[10:19] <shauno> you haven't seen irish roads, then
[10:19] <popey> didnt realise such a thing existed
[10:19] <dwatkins> When I was little, we had a Volvo 140, it was plenty big enough to take the 5 of us on holiday (tents and all) and I suspect it has less room than an SUV.
[10:19] <brobostigon> yes, PE can run in server mode.
[10:19] <popey> when I was little we had a hoop and stick
[10:19] <popey> etc
[10:19] <popey> (is what you sound like)
[10:19] <dwatkins> shauno: I've driven from Dublin to Limerick, if someone lived out on the West coast, I'm sure an SUV would be warranted.
[10:20] <dwatkins> well, a 4x4
[10:20] <brobostigon> i had maccano popey
[10:20] <dwatkins> popey: haha
[10:20] <shauno> dwatkins: I can see the west coast from my window ;)
[10:20] <popey> I can see grey sky from mine
[10:20] <dwatkins> lovely, shauno - I stayed in a place with a huge window, you could see a fantastic valley
[10:20] <dwatkins> I can see the Edinburgh bypass.
[10:21] <brobostigon> i saw a snow storm on my MC server the other day, didnt know it could do that.
[10:21] <popey> pocket minecraft server seems to build its own php
[10:21] <dwatkins> brobostigon: have you seen the game "Banished" which is due out on the 18th? That looks ace.
[10:21] <brobostigon> dwatkins: i havent, no.
[10:22] <brobostigon> popey: i do know pocketmine, a Mc pe server built in php.
[10:23] <brobostigon> dwatkins: whats the webpage?
[10:24] <brobostigon> windows only, oh well,
[10:24] <dwatkins> brobostigon: http://www.shiningrocksoftware.com/
[10:25] <dwatkins> I think there will be a Linux version eventually
[11:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> I had those two plastic balls on strings that you clacked together and broke your wrists with. They were great!
[11:04] <dwatkins> So, what do people use such big cars for generally?
[11:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have a V70
[11:04] <dwatkins> That doesn't look so big, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/1st_Volvo_V70.jpg
[11:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> I use it to drive myself places (like the office). My wife uses it once or twice a year to take the kids camping.
[11:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's one of the biggest estates you can get.
[11:05] <dwatkins> I'm referring to very tall cars like this: http://www.newcarwallpaper.com/BMW_SUV_X5_3423.html
[11:05] <dwatkins> I'm pretty sure I can see through a V70 if I'm behind it in traffic, but I can't see through a BMW SUV.
[11:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> Personally I have no need for a 4x4 and I don't really like them much. Pig ugly, drink fuel, and tend to kill pedestrians more then normal cars.
[11:06] <dwatkins> I don't know about the accident figures, but the rest of your comment sums-up how I feel about SUVs in general.
[11:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> If I lived where I needed one then I'd have one, but I don't.
[11:07] <dwatkins> yeah, if I lived up in the Pentlands, I'd probably have a RAV4 or something, as I'd need it. Most of the SUVs which I see around Edinburgh don't have a speck of dirt on them. Granted, as popey points-out, I'm making assumptions here.
[11:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> We have loads in Farnham. Mostly driven by wives doing the school run it seems to me.
[11:08] <dwatkins> I suspect that's where the name 'Chelsea Tractor' comes from, that scenario.
[11:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes it is.
[11:08] <popey> friend of mine drops kids off in one, but thats their only car
[11:08] <popey> he works in london
[11:08] <popey> so goes on the train
[11:09] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:09] <davmor2> popey: you happy to be back in the real timezone?
[11:10] <popey> ya!
[11:25] <dwatkins> I cycle when I can, but I know I'm lucky that it's even an option for me.
[11:25] <jussi> TheOpenSourcerer: a V70 would be my car of choice when I have slightly more money. As it is, we drive a little BMW 116
[11:25] <popey> i walk ☻
[11:25] <popey> down ths stairs
[11:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> The V70 is a decent car but mine does drink petrol... 2.4l Turbo Petrol. :-(
[11:26] <MooDoo> hello again all
[11:26] <jussi> popey: Liar! you fall, like the emergency caller in "The IT crowd" emergency number episode :D
[11:26] <jussi> TheOpenSourcerer: the 2.4 diesel is an excellent engine
[11:26] <MooDoo> jussi: "but i'm disabled" ;)
[11:27]  * jussi offers MooDoo a cup of tea
[11:27]  * MooDoo takes it with thanks
[11:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> jussi: I'm sure it is. But we actually don't do that many miles - most journeys are local and short. I heard that diesels don't like that kind of use profile very much.
[11:29] <jussi> TheOpenSourcerer: true that - most of our journeys are >40km so I would really like to own a diesel...
[11:32] <dwatkins> I assume diesel is still cheaper per mile, despite being slightly more expensive per litre than petrol now.
[11:34] <dwatkins> [for a given size of car, say a Peugeot 306 petrol vs diesel]
[11:36] <jussi> dwatkins: its actually about 10 -15 euro cents cheaper per litre here
[11:36] <jussi> dwatkins: but yes, you are correct
[11:36] <dwatkins> as it was when I bought this car, which runs on diesel.
[11:36] <dwatkins> I get about 550 miles out of a tank, 15p a mile, iirc.
[11:49] <davmor2> dwatkins: it's more expensive because it is used most
[11:51] <foobarry> i just lost my 50+ open chrome tabs. is there a way to recover them?
[11:52] <foobarry>  except going through my history
[11:54] <davmor2> dwatkins: Lorries 250litres per tank normally 2 tanks, Vans 80-120 litres, Landrover/jaguar 50+ litres and then a lot of normal cars moved over to diesel when people realised it was cheaper at which point the price went rocketing
[11:54] <MooDoo> foobarry: don't think there is to be honest, someone said on a site I have found (on one occasion) that on opening a new tab, at the bottom, there's the option to reopen recently closed tabs and in this list has been something like "17 tabs" i.e. all those that were open previously. However, this wasn't in the list the last time.
[11:58] <foobarry> almost feels like i lost data
[11:58] <MooDoo> :(
[11:58] <MooDoo> cry for 10 mins then move on lol
[11:58] <foobarry> i only really reboot when i have to move desks
[12:02] <jussi> foobarry: you dont have the thing MooDoo mentions ?
[12:07] <foobarry> no
[12:08] <foobarry> said there was a problem siginng into my profile
[12:08] <foobarry> so i restarted and the tabs went away
[12:08] <foobarry> so i cired
[12:08] <foobarry> cried
[12:08] <foobarry> i'm moving on
[12:17] <MooDoo> :)
[12:18] <jussi> sigh... I went to the shop this morning ad forgot to buy yeast... no bread for me :(
[12:19] <dwatkins> davmor2: makes sense, I guess
[12:19] <popey> the rolls i made last night are like rocks
[12:19] <popey> my yeast was out of date
[12:19] <jussi> popey: doh.
[12:19] <popey> yeah
[12:19] <popey> will make some more later
[12:19] <jussi> (PUN INTENDED)
[12:19] <popey> oh
[12:20] <jussi> hehe
[12:20] <dwatkins> that reminds me, I have an episode of Fully Charged to watch (Robert Llewellyn's trip in an electric car from London to Edinburgh)
[12:20] <jussi> I so dont feel like going out - its drizzly, about +2 and generally slushy. not fun
[12:20] <MooDoo> popey: jussi you guys kneed to give up the jokes.
[12:21] <jussi> MooDoo: you knead to learn to spell :P
[12:21] <jussi> bwahahahah
[12:21] <MooDoo> jussi: rats thought I'd cracked that one lol
[12:21] <foobarry> huzzah, there was a bad chrome running silently
[12:21] <MooDoo> the yolks on me
[12:21] <popey> I'm not going to rise to these jokes.
[12:21] <foobarry> killed it and my tabs came back
[12:21] <jussi> foobarry: so much for moving on...
[12:22] <jussi> popey: your jokes are putting a damper on my system...
[12:22] <jussi> (have to know somehting about aussie bread for that one...)
[12:23] <MooDoo> jussi: at least they aren't fish jokes, they cod go on for hours and you'd end up battering me ;)
[12:23] <jussi> MooDoo: oh crumbs...
[12:23] <jussi> :D
[12:23] <MooDoo> you mullet over
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: I think I'm going to tuna out for a bit..
[12:24] <foobarry> you guys still carping on?
[12:24] <MooDoo> foobarry: we are smiling, breaming from ear to ear
[12:25] <foobarry> i keep herring fish jokes
[12:25] <foobarry> i've haddock up to here
[12:25]  * foobarry goes to lunch
[12:26] <diddledan> are you going to perch all my jokes?
[12:26] <diddledan> :-p
[12:27] <MooDoo> cripes i'm going to become a monk[fish] to get away from all this
[12:27] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: get trout of here!
[12:27] <MooDoo> on a serious note can someone code fishsay instead of cowsay :)
[12:27] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: pollocks! ;)
[12:27] <diddledan> MartijnVdS:!
[12:27] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: family friendly
[12:27] <jussi> Now you are all starting to annoy me, Im getting all puffed up about this!
[12:28] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: yes, it's a very good fish for a family meal :)
[12:28] <diddledan> lol
[12:28] <MooDoo> i'm allergic to fish lol
[12:28] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: cowsay has templates, you should be able to code one or more fish into it
[12:28] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: as long as you know how to ascii-art
[12:28] <MooDoo> lol awesome
[12:28] <jussi> MooDoo: is that what they call it now? :P :P
[12:29] <MooDoo> http://www.geocities.com/spunk1111/aquatic.htm
[12:29] <MooDoo> o/
[12:31] <diddledan> why hasn't that geocity been deleted yet?
[12:32] <diddledan> I thought geocities disappeared into the bitbucket in the sky years ago
[12:34] <davmor2> man now I want to watch Beverley hills cop damn you Absolute 80's for puting AxelF on
[12:35] <jussi> diddledan: geocities wil never die............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:37] <brobostigon> any ideas, about where to start concerning writing the javascript for my pebble, to pull xml data from bleb.org, please.
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: that was angelfire
[12:41] <hazrpg> \o
[12:43] <MooDoo> do we ever have ubuntu uk meetings any more?
[12:43] <popey> nope
[12:44] <MooDoo> fair enough :)
[12:45] <hazrpg> how come?
[12:49] <foobarry> shamne on me for thinking the salami and mozzarrella foccacia from sainsburys would taste of salami, mozzarrella, or foccaccia
[12:49] <jussi> MooDoo: I thought you guys had that once a year train thing? :P
[12:49] <MooDoo> hazrpg: they must not be needed any more as we're a well oiled loco
[12:51] <MooDoo> jussi: real ale train :) I've never been on that one.
[12:51] <MooDoo> jussi: that's a popey et al thing
[12:51] <jussi> MooDoo: but I thought "popey et al" == uk loco ? :D
[12:51] <popey> well, anyone can setup a meeting
[12:52] <MooDoo> agreed, just curious as to why they weren't done any more, but if they aren't needed that would explain it :D
[12:53] <popey> ask AlanBell ☻
[12:53] <popey> he is our fearless leader
[12:53] <MooDoo> in the grand scheme of things, I really do't think it's that important ;) lol
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: what? Fearlessness or leadership? :)
[12:54] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: asking AlanBell about meetings lol
[12:56] <popey> Well, you asked, I wanted to make sure you got an accurate answer.
[12:56] <jussi> AlanBell: is taking over the world... :P
[12:56] <MooDoo> popey: thank you sir ;)
[13:09] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[13:09] <bigcalm> davmor2: did you see this from yesterday? https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/432613519381762048/photo/1
[13:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: I did I was trying to figure out if that was the big version or not?
[13:10] <bigcalm> davmor2: it cost a little under 150 quid
[13:10] <bigcalm> I didn't see a bigger version in the LEGO shop in Liverpool
[13:11] <bigcalm> Cheaper to buy in the LEGO shop than from Amazon. Most strange
[13:11] <davmor2> bigcalm: http://www.lego.com/en-gb/starwars/products/exclusives/10225r2-d2 this one then
[13:22] <AlanBell> MooDoo: meetings kind of fizzled out a while back, there were several where I was about the only person there, with an absence of much to discuss :)
[13:22] <MooDoo> AlanBell: thanks, sounds like they are not needed then :D
[13:22] <davmor2> bigcalm: I think that is the next model I'll be getting as I have the 2 ships I love :)  Although if I find the big millennium Falcon I might have to buy that :)
[13:23] <AlanBell> well if there is something to discuss, and that is a useful way to do it then yay
[13:24] <davmor2> bigcalm: the super star destroyer is tempting but it is huge as is the deathstar
[13:25] <MooDoo> AlanBell: I don't think there ever is unless we're going to do something for the big jam :d
[13:27] <hazrpg> MooDoo: fair enough
[13:30] <bigcalm> davmor2: I could have bought the SSD, but it isn't much to look at
[13:30] <MooDoo> hazrpg: we'll have secret meetings, shhhh don't tell AlanBell  ;)
[13:31] <ali1234> i can't see a smaller version of the r2d2 kit... unless you're thinking of the original mindstorms from 1999
[13:32] <davmor2> bigcalm: more important where the hell would you put it
[13:32] <bigcalm> davmor2: I still intend to put up shelves in my office
[13:33] <davmor2> bigcalm: look at the dimensions of the SSD and you'll understand :)
[13:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: Measures nearly 50 inches (124.5 cm) long and weighs nearly 8 pounds (3.5kg)!
[13:36] <ali1234> 3152 pieces and every single one is grey
[13:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: that is a huge shelf
[13:37] <davmor2> ali1234: you'll be surprised
[13:38] <ali1234> i won't, cos i can't afford that thing
[13:38] <davmor2> ali1234: haha
[13:38] <ali1234> and if i had £350 to spend on lego i'd get the technic mobile crane mk2
[13:39] <bigcalm> Why can't I see the SSD on that site?
[13:47] <bigcalm> Ah, that's my wish list repopulated on Amazon
[13:52] <AlanBell> MooDoo: well actually, we might do something for the global jam
[14:04] <ali1234> directhex: why is sdrsharp so slow in mono?
[14:04] <directhex> no idea. what's sdrsharp?
[14:04] <ali1234> a software defined radio written in c#
[14:04] <ali1234> http://sdrsharp.com/
[14:05] <shauno> aka ronseal ;)
[14:05] <ali1234> anyway it's unusably slow with mono no matter how fast your computer is
[14:06] <ali1234> works fine on windows, apparently
[14:06] <jussi> youtube adds have to be some of the biggest moodkillers ever :/
[14:06] <MartijnVdS> youtube has ads?
[14:06] <jussi> yes...
[14:06] <jussi> evil ones that play before the video
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> not with my adblocker  ;)
[14:11] <jussi> do shre more info?
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> jussi: THe "Adblock" extension (not "Adblock plus", just"Adblock") in Chrome
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> jussi: no more ads :)
[14:12] <jussi> MartijnVdS: AdBlock ?
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> jussi: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/adblock/gighmmpiobklfepjocnamgkkbiglidom
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> love that URL 8-)
[14:14] <jussi> I think I have to have this, simply because of the video used in the youtube illustration... :D
[14:16] <Neptunia> Hi Jussi and everyone, you can see your installed extension list on :
[14:16] <Neptunia> chrome://extensions/
[14:17] <directhex> bam.
[14:17] <directhex> BAM.
[14:17] <directhex> BAM!
[14:17] <directhex> not enough people read ubuntu-devel-announce
[14:17] <jussi> directhex: ?
[14:20] <MartijnVdS> directhex: ?
[14:24] <ali1234> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2014-February/001079.html
[14:41] <AlanBell> nice one directhex
[14:48]  * hazrpg test
[14:48] <hazrpg> test2
[14:48] <hazrpg> hmmz :/
[14:48] <MooDoo> directhex: give me a steam key ;)
[14:48] <MooDoo> directhex: my key is I AMDI RECT HEX ;)
[14:48] <directhex> NO >8\/
[14:49] <MooDoo> directhex: I loved the gall of some people after reading your post lol
[14:50]  * popey expecs directhex will get way more now, as people think they're developers when they aren't
[14:50] <MartijnVdS> "But I'm a member1"
[14:50] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: I should get one as I'm a potential member when I get my butt in gear
[14:55] <Laney> no
[14:56] <Laney> you have to be a developer, not a member
[14:56] <MooDoo> Laney: we're teasing
[14:56] <Laney> ha
[14:57] <MooDoo> sheesh ;)
[14:57] <MooDoo> 10 print "I love ubuntu"  20 goto 10   does this count Laney ?
[14:57] <Laney> get back to your free lwn subscription
[14:58] <MooDoo> snigger :D
[15:19] <hazrpg> ping
[15:22] <popey> hazrpg: pong
[15:25] <MartijnVdS> *boing*
[15:26] <hazrpg> thanks :)
[15:26] <hazrpg> seems colours does work afterall (irssi scripts)
[15:27] <MartijnVdS> of course they do :)
[15:28] <hazrpg> which do you use?
[15:28] <MartijnVdS> hazrpg: uhh
[15:28] <MartijnVdS> "nickcolor.pl"
[15:28] <hazrpg> MartijnVdS: does that also right-align nicks?
[15:29] <hazrpg> cos that's the one I'm using
[15:29] <MartijnVdS> no, that's just a theme setting isn't it?
[15:31]  * popey uses nickcolor too
[15:33] <hazrpg> MartijnVdS: Ah! *strambles theme file*
[15:41] <hazrpg> fixed :D
[15:41] <hazrpg> (I think)
[15:41] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[15:41] <hazrpg> *\o/*
[16:47] <foobarry> everyone is red today in this chan
[16:47] <foobarry> using nickcolour
[16:53] <shauno> well that seems counterproductive
[16:56] <dwatkins> I have red, green and cyan with nick_color.pl
[16:57] <dwatkins> Not sure I specifically saved anyone with certain colours, but I've been using it a while.
[17:02] <daftykins> dwatkins: what's annoying is when it colours two people the same though due to their nick length
[17:19] <shauno> annoying is having a meeting right behind you for 6 hours running when you've had a fun idea to build in minecraft :(
[17:20] <bigcalm> Heh
[17:20] <bigcalm> Damn work getting in the way
[17:22] <shauno> someone else's work getting in the way!
[17:22] <daftykins> XD
[17:27] <knightwise> hey everyone
[17:41] <daftykins> knightwise: heyup
[17:51] <gebbione> hi all, my home connectivity does not seem so great with ssh connections
[17:51] <gebbione> is there anything i can do to avoid getting disconnected?
[17:51] <gebbione> some sort of keep alive under the hood stuff?
[17:53] <daftykins> gebbione: yes, i know PuTTY has a keep alive option, perhaps there's a switch for it if you're going Linux to Linux
[17:54] <gebbione> i am using mac and ubuntu
[17:54] <gebbione> on the mac at work connections dont drop so fast
[17:54] <gebbione> maybe it is a better connectivity
[17:54] <daftykins> no :P
[17:55] <daftykins> what are you connecting between where you're seeing issues?
[17:55] <gebbione> also not using putty
[17:55] <daftykins> so you're SSH'ing home?
[17:55] <daftykins> yeah i know, that was an example
[17:55] <gebbione> i just ssh to a server
[17:55] <gebbione> something in germany in this casa
[17:55] <gebbione> case
[17:56] <daftykins> ok so over the internet to a VPS/dedi server somewhere?
[17:56] <gebbione> yes, dedicated
[17:56] <daftykins> ok here we go, so from the man pages of SSH
[17:57] <daftykins> http://www.linuxmanpages.com/man1/ssh.1.php
[17:57] <daftykins> -o TCPKeepAlive
[17:57] <daftykins> which is explained more here: http://www.manpagez.com/man/5/ssh_config/
[17:57] <daftykins> so add that option to your SSH command and see how you get on
[17:57] <gebbione> thanks i ll try
[18:02] <gebbione> actually that options is set to yes by default
[18:03] <daftykins> it did seem to suggest that, but the wording wasn't very good
[18:04] <daftykins> there are some variables to change as well though
[18:04] <daftykins> are you sure it isn't more down to your home internet connection being unreliable?
[18:05] <foobarry> whats the easiesy way to find a file on my machine made on 7 may 2012 ?
[18:05] <gebbione> well i m always connected on irc :)
[18:05] <gebbione> if i start uploading or downloading a lot then it becomes unstabler
[18:05] <daftykins> gebbione: that doesn't mean a thing, my connection drops briefly, i see skype reconnect but my IRC sessions stay alive
[18:41] <ali1234> irony ^
[18:42] <ali1234> gebbione: ssh can be quite annoying on a flaky connection and even if you enable the keepalive it won't always notice the connection went down
[18:43] <ali1234> i use ServerAliveCountMax 3 ServerAliveInterval 30 in ~/.ssh/config
[18:43] <ali1234> and autossh -M 0
[18:44] <ali1234> then when the ssh connection dies it gets restarted after at most 90 seconds
[18:52] <gebbione> thanks ali1234 for the details
[18:55] <gebbione> is ~/.ssh/config
[18:55] <gebbione> autoloaded by ssh?
[18:55] <ali1234> yes
[19:13] <DJones> Woooot...I've won the Yahoo Mail Lottery....All I have to do is open the attachment in .doc format to find out more details
[19:14] <diddledan> DJones: open it in google drive
[19:15] <DJones> I might have considered opening it if it'd been sent from a yahoo account, rather than a gmail account
[19:15] <diddledan> lol
[19:15] <diddledan> fail!
[19:16] <DJones> I wonder whether libreoffice would be affected if there was a virus in it
[19:17] <diddledan> most probably not if you opened it in loonicks
[19:18] <diddledan> thems 1337 h4xx0r5 don't know about the secret backdoor reading of .docx files from windows in "not windows"
[19:19] <DJones> Its not even a virus
[19:19] <diddledan> \o/
[19:22] <DJones> http://www.privatepaste.com/9bd5a8686e
[19:22]  * daftykins claims DJones' winnings
[19:23]  * DJones watches as a scammer empties daftykins bank account
[19:23] <daftykins> 8D
[19:23] <daftykins> any luck with currys/dixons btw?
[19:23] <DJones> Dad decided not to bother doing anything
[19:24] <daftykins> fair enough
[19:25] <diddledan> ooh, it's Microsoft Yahoo Anniversary award
[19:26] <diddledan> oh that's reassuring: "THIS IS PART OF OUR PRECAUTIONARY MEASURE TO AVOID DOUBLE CLAIMING AND UNWARRANTED ABUSE OF THIS PROGRAM BY SOME UNSCRUPULOUS ELEMENTS."
[19:27] <diddledan> I'm glad they don't put up with unscrupulous elements
[19:27] <daftykins> me too
[19:27] <daftykins> where would we be if they did?
[19:28] <diddledan> lol " YAHOO and MICRO SOFT collects all the email addresses of the people that are active online" <-- all teh peopled
[19:28] <diddledan> peoples*
[19:29] <DJones> Ah well, I've done the decent thing and reported the scammer to Google
[19:29] <DJones> On the basis that it was using their email service, may as well let them take the account down
[19:30] <diddledan> you mean you don't want the meelion pounds?
[19:30] <DJones> :)
[19:32] <diddledan> my work laptop's battery must be knackered
[19:32] <diddledan> it holds it's charge for a full 3 minutes before the OS forces a shutdown (Windows)
[19:38] <ali1234> DJones: i can't help wondering why they put that address on there
[19:39] <ali1234> wait, i know why... it's because it's the post office
[19:39] <ali1234> and that's why i recognise the address
[19:43] <diddledan> ali1234: 124 stockport road?
[19:43] <ali1234> yes
[19:44] <diddledan> lol, top 10 results for the address are all about scams
[19:54] <DJones> I wonder how many people actually fall for a scam like that in this day and age
[20:01] <ali1234> is there a OS X cross compiler like mingw?
[20:02] <diddledan> WHEEEE
[20:02] <diddledan> ali1234: compile for osx on linux?
[20:02] <ali1234> yes
[20:02] <ali1234> without having to have a mac
[20:02] <diddledan> I'm not sure that there is
[20:02] <ali1234> well, that sucks
[20:04] <diddledan> you might get some joy with the gnustep stuff
[20:05] <ali1234> i only need to build SDL + OpenGL apps
[20:06] <diddledan> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2786240/how-to-compile-intel-mac-binaries-on-linux
[20:07] <diddledan> donno how useful that is
[20:09] <diddledan> this looks like it might be helpful, ali1234 https://github.com/tatsh/xchain
[20:10] <ali1234> that looks massively painful
[20:10] <diddledan> very
[20:10] <diddledan> completely hands-on
[20:10] <ali1234> does iOS though
[20:11] <diddledan> ooh, I didn't notice that
[20:17] <diddledan> I did read years ago what the state of play was regarding getting apple patches submitted to gcc - are they still trying or have apple just decided to go their own way and ignore the gcc project?
[20:17] <ali1234> they wrote llvm
[20:17] <diddledan> oh that's apple?
[20:18] <diddledan> I knew they were moving across to llvm
[20:18] <diddledan> I didn't know they wrote it
[20:19] <diddledan> I guess they want llvm to allow  a single binary across all platforms with a JIT that does platform-specifics?
[20:19] <ali1234> maybe


[00:00] <Hosein-mec_> no
[00:00] <Hosein-mec_> https://launchpad.net/~hoseinhz63/+archive/ppa
[00:00] <maxb> That will be the problem then
[00:02] <Hosein-mec_> maxb: i found my problem . i cant send my gpg key
[00:02] <Hosein-mec_> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/139306/
[00:03] <Hosein-mec_> i dont know why it cant send ....
[00:04] <Hosein-mec_> it is related to my internet provider ?
[00:04] <maxb> It's not just you
[00:05] <maxb> abentley: Are there any LOSAs contactable? keyserver.ubuntu.com has apparently fallen over
[00:08] <Hosein-mec_> keyserver.ubuntu.com in not accessible even via proxy ...
[00:12] <mwhudson> perfect time for it to fall over, late evening friday uk time
[00:13] <erichammond> I just got added to ubuntu-virt on launchpad so that I could help manage bugs in vm-builder.  However, I am now also getting flooded with bug report emails for other packages like qemu-kvm.  Is there an easy way to turn these off if I'm only interested in vm-builder ?
[00:15] <Hosein-mec_> maxb: mwhudson: It appears to be back up now
[00:27] <Hosein-mec_> importing an SSH key is necessary ?
[00:28] <mwhudson_> Hosein-mec_: that's used with the codehosting
[00:28] <mwhudson_> Hosein-mec_: if you just want to upload to your ppa, you don't need it
[00:28] <mwhudson_> (yet, sooner or later the upload will be done over sftp i guess)
[00:29] <Hosein-mec_> what is codehosting ?
[00:29] <mwhudson_> Hosein-mec_: the code tab, hosting bzr branches
[00:29] <Hosein-mec_> ok thanks
[00:32] <Hosein-mec_> i uploaded my package to Launchpad successfully but didnt receive email from Launchpad yet
[00:32] <Hosein-mec_> and still no package in my ppa
[00:49] <Hosein-mec_> my source rejected : Unable to find distroseries: unstable
[00:49] <Hosein-mec_> how change name of distro ?
[00:58] <Hosein-mec_> my source rejected
[00:58] <Hosein-mec_> Unable to find distroseries: unstable
[00:58] <Hosein-mec_> how set name of distro ?
[03:06] <erichammond> Is it possible to subscribe (email) to bugs which have a specific tag (ec2-images)?
[03:08] <mwhudson> erichammond: sadly no
[03:08] <erichammond> RSS feed?
[03:08] <mwhudson> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/151129
[03:08] <mwhudson> don't think so :(
[03:08] <erichammond> At least for newly submitted bugs or bugs which just got the tag added?
[03:09] <erichammond> Hm, Guess I'll have to set up some polling or subscribe to all bugs an add crazy filtering or something.
[03:09] <mwhudson> yeah, for now :(
[03:09]  * mwhudson would have clicked me too on the bug, but he already had
[05:13] <jumpkick> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ urls are returning "Internal Server Error"
[05:33] <mwhudson> jumpkick: which one?
[05:34] <mwhudson> oh yeah, all of them
[05:34] <jumpkick> uh huh
[05:34] <jumpkick> I think there might be one load balanced that is still up
[05:34] <jumpkick> but a boat load of the rest are down
[05:34] <mwhudson> nope
[05:40] <jumpkick> guess there is either a maintenance thing
[05:40] <jumpkick> either that or there isn't very good monitoring on them
[05:41] <mwhudson> i just texted a sysadmin
[05:41] <mwhudson> we don't have full weekend coverage, sadly
[05:42] <jumpkick> understandable
[06:39] <mwhudson_> jumpkick: codebrowse should be back now
[06:43] <tonyyarusso> jml: Okay, so I thought I knew what I was doing, but got an error I don't understand.  Could you take a look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/269565/ ?  (It created a branch, but didn't actually push anything to it apparently.)
[06:57] <spm> mwhudson_: is bounced?
[06:57] <spm> yes. coolio.
[06:58] <mwhudson_> spm: yeah, pjdc did it
[06:58] <spm> sweet.
[06:59] <spm> man I think I ate too many wedges & scones with that coffee. just want to find a nice peaceful comfy chair and doze. :-)
[07:09] <jumpkick> mwhudson_:  thanks
[07:39] <dto> hi. the github site lets you put up a wiki or even an html page. is there a corresponding feature in launchpad?
[07:40] <dto> even something basic would be helpful
[07:45] <dto> also, i can't seem to find how to upload one of the downloads.
[07:47] <dto> oh, i have to make a release.
[08:03] <dto> so, what do people do to make basic webpages or a wiki for a project?
[08:07] <noshelter> what do u mean?
[08:07] <noshelter> write up the html :P?
[08:11] <dto> noshelter: i mean, is there a way to host the page on launchpad, or some kind of wiki feature like google code and github have?
[08:15] <noshelter> dto
[08:15] <noshelter> sorry, dont know how to do that
[08:15] <noshelter> for launchpad
[08:26] <quentusrex> What is the process for building a package for multiple releases?
[08:26] <quentusrex> do I need to increment the versino and change the changelog for each type of release?
[09:08] <geser> yes
[11:15] <Hosein-mec> hi
[11:16] <Hosein-mec> launchpad Accepted my package. how many hours takes launchpad compile package ?
[11:22] <wgrant> Hosein-mec: Normally a few minutes. Which is your PPA?
[11:22] <Hosein-mec> wgrant: https://launchpad.net/~hoseinhz63/+archive/ppa
[11:23] <Hosein-mec> i received some email
[11:23] <wgrant> It failed to build.
[11:23] <Hosein-mec> [Build #1240248] lpia build of smooth-tasks 20090910-1 in ubuntu jaunty RELEASE (hoseinhz63 PPA)
[11:23] <Hosein-mec> [Build #1240247] i386 build of smooth-tasks 20090910-1 in ubuntu jaunty RELEASE (hoseinhz63 PPA)
[11:23] <Hosein-mec> ...
[11:24] <wgrant> Did you specify any build-dependencies for your package? It doesn't look like it.
[11:24] <Hosein-mec> wgrant: how to find it ?
[11:24] <Hosein-mec> no
[11:24] <wgrant> Hosein-mec: Sounds like you want #ubuntu-motu. That's the best place for packaging help.
[11:25] <Hosein-mec> ok thanks
[11:26] <AnMaster> https://code.launchpad.net/~anmaster/cfunge/trunk <-- why does it say no revisions, because I pushed more than 10 minutes ago, and I thought that was the update delay for hosted branches
[11:27] <AnMaster> ah now it works, 12 minutes hm
[11:27] <wgrant> AnMaster: It normally takes just a couple of minutes, but I think it can take a while if it's busy.
[11:27] <AnMaster> right
[12:23] <Hosein-mec> launchpad cant build
[12:23] <Hosein-mec> https://launchpad.net/~hoseinhz63/+archive/ppa/+build/1240247/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.smooth-tasks_20090910-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[12:23] <Hosein-mec> anyone can help ?
[18:08] <tgm4883> when filing a bug about launchpad PPA's, would that go here https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad
[18:08] <tgm4883> i'm there, but the text makes me think there is a separate place for launchpad components
[18:18] <james_w> tgm4883: you can file it there and it will be reassigned if needed
[18:21] <tgm4883> james_w, thanks, thats what I did
[18:34] <lfaraone> Hey, what's the recommended distro to do LP development on? (karmic or jaunty?)
[19:23] <maxb> lfaraone: jaunty would be recommended. I'm of a few people leading a charge to make it work on karmic too
[19:23] <maxb> At this point it's quite practical to develop on karmic, provided you use python2.4
[19:23] <maxb> which isn't a supported version in karmic, though is still present
[19:39] <dkoh> Hi, I have a question I haven't been able to answer from the user guide.  I am trying to download a patch using apport-collect, but I accidentally revoked authority from it.  How can I give the program authority again to use launchpad on my behalf?
[20:05] <maxb> dkoh: *download* using apport-collect?
[20:11] <maxb> dkoh: anyway, you probably want "rm .cache/apport/launchpad.credentials"


[21:40] <ju-emb> somebody has tried the sgx activation described by Robert Nelson
[21:40] <ju-emb> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#SGX_Drivers
[21:41] <ju-emb> after doing the first step )updating the kernel on bbb to v3.15.8-bone6) I lost output on the LCD7 cape
[21:41] <ju-emb> any ideas why did that happen?


[08:09] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:47] <nigelb> bah.
[08:47] <nigelb> made the mistake of reading a troll post.
[08:56] <popey> ooh, which one?
[08:56] <popey> i _love_ trolls
[08:58] <czajkowski> popey: try living with one :)
[08:58] <popey> hah, true
[08:59] <czajkowski> it's hours of amusement ;)
[08:59] <czajkowski> though he did bring me breakie in bed as so not well today
[09:01] <nigelb> popey: the disassociated post one.
[09:01] <czajkowski> nigelb: link
[09:01] <nigelb> Ubuntu Kernal thing. meh.
[09:01] <nigelb> czajkowski: http://dissociatedpress.net/2012/03/27/ubuntu-were-not-linux/
[09:02] <czajkowski> oh that lark
[09:02] <nigelb> popey: "Perhaps we should run the wiki pages through the Marketing / PR machine and see what comes out? I suspect that would open up even more blogging opportunities for you and others, Joe."
[09:02] <nigelb> <3 <3 <#
[09:02] <nigelb> You have made my day!
[09:25] <popey> :D nigelb
[09:29] <nigelb> :)
[12:14] <cjohnston> mornin
[12:53] <mhall119> 1morning
[12:56] <nigelb> mhall119: 2morning
[12:56] <mhall119> :P
[12:56] <mhall119> Unity is still slower than me, if I hit super+1 too fast, it'll read a tap on super and then 1
[12:57] <imbrandon> heh
[12:57]  * imbrandon is glad unity isnt on the server installs
[12:58] <mhall119> why would a GUI be on the server installs?
[12:58] <imbrandon> exactly. and anywhere else i dont have to worry about a ubuntu gui :)
[12:59] <imbrandon> actually thats a lie, but you know, it sounded good
[13:00] <imbrandon> but i do refuse to use unity until i can customize it on the level of gnome 2.x
[13:00] <imbrandon> without recompiling it, that is
[13:00] <nigelb> you probably won't use unity ever then :P
[13:01] <imbrandon> nigelb: very very likely
[13:02] <nigelb> I also think that's a feature.
[13:02] <imbrandon> i rarely use linux on the desktop anyhow so its moot, but when i do its not unity, and now i sound like one of the guys i used to hate talking about how they used fwvm
[13:02] <imbrandon> loll
[13:02] <nigelb> I don't think I'd mind unity. I used it once or twice and it worked well for me.
[13:02] <imbrandon> nigelb: whats a feature ? that i'll never likely use it ?
[13:03] <nigelb> imbrandon: haha, no, that you can't customize /every/ thing.
[13:03] <imbrandon> if i only had to use my desktop once or twice it might be ok, but 12 to 16 hours a day 5 days a week and 16 to 18 on weeknds , unity dont cut it
[13:04] <imbrandon> nigelb: i dont want to customize everything , gnome 2.x you couldent, if i did i would use KDE 3.5 where you can cuztomize it all
[13:05] <imbrandon> but i want the basics, like moving the damn launcher and not hiding it on my 4x 23 inch monitors
[13:05] <imbrandon> :)
[13:06] <imbrandon> i am not running on a netbook at 1024x600, dont hide crap from me
[13:07] <imbrandon> it is the ONLY thing i've ever bitched about in ubuntu since i started using breeze badger beta
[13:07] <imbrandon> and will likly never stop
[13:08] <imbrandon> i'll revist the landscape again in 2014 when the next LTS hits
[13:08] <imbrandon> untill then my os x 10.8 desktop is just fine, and makin ubuntu rock on the server works for me :)
[13:11] <nigelb> imbrandon: HA. Another OS X user! \o/
[13:12] <imbrandon> bah, i'm a computer user. best tool for the job at hand, i'd even use windows ... that is if i could ever find a good use for it being the tool :P
[13:12] <popey> \o/ GameOS
[13:12] <imbrandon> osx works grat for that
[13:12] <imbrandon> :)
[13:12] <imbrandon> and PS3 even better
[13:13] <imbrandon> btw popey i read that thread , the wiki line was FTW , like i want to print it and put it on a billboard
[13:13] <imbrandon> :)
[13:14] <popey> :D
[13:14] <mhall119> so I was totally against Unity when it came out, but in 11.04 I made myself use it for a month so that I could hate it in good conscience
[13:14] <mhall119> but by the second week I was so used to it that everything else felt awkward
[13:15] <imbrandon> well the not moving the launcher for multi screen and it auto hiding is pretty big for me, those two things ever change and i MIGHT be able to get used to the rest
[13:15] <mhall119> imbrandon: you can disable auto-hide, that's been around since 11.10 at least
[13:16] <popey> its disabled by default now
[13:16] <mhall119> and 12.04 lets you have it on all monitors, or only a specified one
[13:16] <imbrandon> ahh i havent tried in months
[13:16] <imbrandon> i dont care about that, i want to _MOVE_ it
[13:16] <imbrandon> like to the bottom
[13:16] <mhall119> you won't get that
[13:16] <imbrandon> bah every os has that
[13:16] <imbrandon> its ignorant not to have it
[13:17] <mhall119> every *desktop* os has that
[13:17] <dpm> Ubuntu is not every OS :)
[13:17] <dpm> (sorry, I couldn't resist)
[13:17] <imbrandon> its not any os for most
[13:17] <imbrandon> because of that and other things
[13:17] <imbrandon> and the few it is for is dwindling
[13:17] <imbrandon> even windows ce i can move the damn launcher
[13:17] <mhall119> imbrandon: try it for a month, I bet you a beer you'll get used to it on the side
[13:17] <imbrandon> mhall119: i have
[13:17] <imbrandon> seriously
[13:17] <mhall119> for a month?
[13:17] <imbrandon> longer probably
[13:18] <mhall119> every day?
[13:18] <imbrandon> i had it for almost a full release
[13:18] <imbrandon> every day ]
[13:18] <imbrandon> main pc
[13:18] <imbrandon> yes
[13:18] <mhall119> heh, then I owe you a beer :)
[13:18] <mhall119> and an Xubuntu CD
[13:18] <imbrandon> heh
[13:18] <mhall119> or Kubuntu  CD
[13:18] <imbrandon> heh yea i have xubuntu loaded in my VM's
[13:18] <imbrandon> the little i do us is xubuntu :)_
[13:19] <mhall119> Unity isn't for everybody, but it works well for a lot more people than realize it
[13:19] <imbrandon> but seriously wtf, why would i never get that, i mean it is soooooo basic
[13:19] <imbrandon> mhall119: exactly your the first person to say that now get it out of ubuntu because that IS for everybody
[13:19] <mhall119> imbrandon: because then it'll be much harder to produce a consistent interface across multiple devices
[13:20] <imbrandon> mhall119: exactly your the first person to say that now get it out of ubuntu because that IS for everybody
[13:20] <mhall119> we're not going to remove something from Ubuntu just because there's a small number of people that don't like it
[13:20] <imbrandon> nah , take things like @media wueries from html
[13:20] <imbrandon> it can be done
[13:20] <imbrandon> jsut dont be lazy
[13:21] <imbrandon> mhall119: i dont say remove it , i said fix it :)
[13:21] <imbrandon> well i did
[13:21] <mhall119> imbrandon: the purpose of Unity is that it will be the same everywhere
[13:21] <imbrandon> but not what i ment
[13:21] <imbrandon> mhall119: thats a broken goal
[13:21] <mhall119> I don't think it is
[13:22] <imbrandon> sure it is for the exact reasons http://dowebsitesneedtolookexactlythesameineverybrowser.com/
[13:22] <mhall119> heh
[13:22] <imbrandon> and some of the same things can be applied to get the same experince accross pc
[13:22] <imbrandon> and other devices
[13:22] <mhall119> imbrandon: maybe not look, but they should *work* the same in every browser
[13:22] <imbrandon> unity trying to be the same accross devices is the bug, not the solution
[13:23] <imbrandon> mhall119: no they dont, ajax, json, reposting , printing
[13:23] <mhall119> well that's the design goal of the project, and so changes aren't going to be made that are against that design goal
[13:23] <imbrandon> they all work very diffrent
[13:23] <mhall119> imbrandon: behind the scenes maybe
[13:23] <imbrandon> mhall119: right thus i said need for removal because unity and ubnutu goals dont align
[13:24] <imbrandon> i mean i'm really trying , i am a ubnutu fanboy and have been since warty
[13:24] <mhall119> Ubuntu's goal is to be on multiple devices
[13:24] <imbrandon> and full time user since breezy
[13:24] <mhall119> Unity was made to accomplish that goal
[13:24] <imbrandon> mhall119: NOPE
[13:24] <imbrandon> stop there
[13:24] <imbrandon> no
[13:24] <imbrandon> 08:24:04 < mhall119> Ubuntu's goal is to be on multiple devices  <-- not when i started using ubuntu, not when i became a core-dev
[13:24] <imbrandon> never has that been a goal
[13:25] <imbrandon> ubnutu's goal is the os for everyone
[13:25] <jokerdino> imbrandon: things change along the way
[13:25] <imbrandon> even desktop users with full scrreen
[13:25] <imbrandon> jokerdino: sure but where, i seen it no where but canonicals goals
[13:25] <imbrandon> never have i seen that change in unbuntu;s
[13:26] <mhall119> imbrandon: a multi-device focus is needed to make it available to everyone
[13:26] <imbrandon> i'm not trying to be a troll but see what i'm getting at here ?
[13:26] <imbrandon> mhall119: sure but that dont mean they all need to look alike
[13:27] <imbrandon> function consitantly sure
[13:27] <imbrandon> but me hacving an optino to move the bar along with a mirad of other things dont aliign with that
[13:27] <mhall119> imbrandon: looking alike isn't necessary to make Ubuntu run on them, no, but looking alike is necessay for Ubuntu to be distributed on them
[13:28] <imbrandon> no
[13:28] <imbrandon> oh wow no
[13:28] <imbrandon> that sounds like a designer with no experince or someone who is listening to one
[13:28] <mhall119> maybe both?
[13:28] <imbrandon> seriously
[13:28] <imbrandon> hehe
[13:28] <imbrandon> man its hard to do this and not feel like a troll, but man
[13:29] <imbrandon> i dont even know where to start some days
[13:29] <imbrandon> lol
[13:29] <mhall119> so, from my perspective, Linux has let you customize everything for a very long time
[13:30] <mhall119> Gnome 2.x, you could do just about anything
[13:30] <mhall119> for years!
[13:30] <mhall119> and it was never taken seriously by people selling devices to consumers
[13:31] <mhall119> so consumers never saw it
[13:31] <imbrandon> mhall119: to sum it up i think that unity can be fixed, and overall is a nice gesture,but it does need to be fixed and things like uninamiously saying we wont do that is alot of whats broken, sure you dont need everything , that and i consistanly hear the _small gourp of users thing_ have you actually went out side the ubnutu community and looked at what the users are doing ? they are sticking with 10.04
[13:31] <imbrandon> mhall119: linux on the desktop and devices has been taken much more seriously before unity
[13:31] <imbrandon> unity is actualy holding it back
[13:32] <mhall119> I haven't taken a poll, but the majority I see have upgraded
[13:32] <mhall119> unity has been the default for not quite a year now
[13:32] <imbrandon> i said outside of the comminuty, go look at lugs and places where your not asking the poll
[13:32] <imbrandon> but observing
[13:32] <mhall119> I don't see how it could possible be holding back anything
[13:32] <imbrandon> mhall119: it will hold back the adobption of 12.04
[13:32] <imbrandon> and thats a lts
[13:33] <imbrandon> thats HUGE
[13:33] <imbrandon> i know of 2 peple personaly that had went and bought a mac with no influence from me due to unity
[13:33] <imbrandon> and they equating ubnutnu with linux there for not tryinmg another distro
[13:34] <mhall119> they bought a mac because they couldn't be bothered to apt-get install a different desktop shell?
[13:34] <imbrandon> they had no idea
[13:34] <imbrandon> it wasemnt the desfault, the desfault took their desktop the liked
[13:34] <mhall119> that's like trading in your new car because you don't like the radio presets
[13:34] <imbrandon> mhall119: it is, but its happening and in the real world
[13:35] <mhall119> imbrandon: but that kind of problem isn't something that can be solved with code
[13:35] <imbrandon> seriously, i r fanboi, unity is wrong broken, fix it
[13:35] <imbrandon> mhall119: yes it can
[13:35] <imbrandon> mhall119: sure it can
[13:35] <imbrandon> with choice
[13:35] <mhall119> if someone trades in a car because they don't like the radio presets, using different presets isn't going to solve anything
[13:35] <mhall119> they had choice already
[13:36] <mhall119> there *had* to be more reason for buying a mac than just not liking Unity
[13:36] <mhall119> there had to be
[13:37] <imbrandon> ubnutu built what it had on the standards , build on those, stand on the shoulders of giants, dont fux it up and then say you wont fix it _beacuse_ or it cant be fixed with code, and i'm going to stop here cuz i really do feel like a troll now, want to finish the convo over a beer at uds ?
[13:37] <mhall119> I simply can't believe that someone would spend a couple grand on a new computer because they didn't like default settings on their old one
[13:37] <jokerdino> if you guys are going to get anywhere, please let me know :)
[13:37] <imbrandon> jokerdino: heh read my last line :)
[13:37] <jokerdino> :)
[13:37] <s-fox> is wikipedia on the go slow for anyone else or just me?
[13:38] <imbrandon> mhall119: sure it happens every day as far as buying a new pc for that or less, i've seen ppl buy new pc's when they got a virus
[13:38] <jokerdino> s-fox: how slow is too slow? it loads within a couple of seconds here
[13:39] <s-fox> jokerdino,  it is crawling for me ;)
[13:39] <imbrandon> seems ok here s-fox
[13:39] <s-fox> Okay, thanks for looking
[13:39] <s-fox> well, the homepage loads quickly but the articles aren't for me
[13:39] <imbrandon> mhall119: and i do appologize i dident mean for the convo to degrade to that, i really would like to finish it in persons sometime :)
[13:40] <popey> \o/ beer at UDS
[13:40] <imbrandon> :)
[13:40] <cjohnston> +2
[13:40] <jokerdino> -1, I won't be at UDS.
[13:40]  * imbrandon hates feeling like a troll
[13:40] <cjohnston> imbrandon will tell you when to start drinking
[13:41] <imbrandon> haha
[13:41] <imbrandon> good call
[13:41] <imbrandon> jokerdino: just grab a g+ hangout mic and a beer, we'll broadcast
[13:41] <imbrandon> :)
[13:41] <cjohnston> not I said drinking not when to grab a beer.. this is much more than an "a beer" conversation
[13:42] <cjohnston> s/not/note
[13:42] <jokerdino> remote beer drinking? haha
[13:42] <imbrandon> depends on the beer, a good dark stout dosent go down so fast :)
[13:42] <mhall119> imbrandon: you will be at UDS?
[13:43] <imbrandon> and by the end you get jono dancing with a bottle http://farm1.staticflickr.com/187/381427501_beabe75fa1_o.jpg  <- i was there !!
[13:43] <imbrandon> mhall119: yup
[13:44] <mhall119> imbrandon: we can definitely finish it over some drinks then
[13:45] <imbrandon> just promis no bottle dancing :)
[13:45] <s-fox> confirmed wikipedia is going boing
[13:45] <mhall119> I can promise that I won't
[13:45] <mhall119> I can't speak for jono though
[13:46] <imbrandon> hahah , i'll distract him, he worked very very very hard to keep that photo off the interwebs too btw
[13:46] <imbrandon> :)
[13:46] <mhall119> and yet the hotdog costume was *everywhere*
[13:46] <imbrandon> there was a better one too but cant find it
[13:46] <imbrandon> haha
[13:47] <mhall119> imbrandon: did you see http://mhall119.com/2012/02/the-many-sides-of-jono-bacon/ ?
[13:47] <imbrandon> brb , gonna see if i can find something quick to rummage up for breakfast
[13:47]  * imbrandon loks
[13:47] <imbrandon> hahah no
[13:47] <imbrandon> i'll look closer when i get back
[13:47] <imbrandon> :)
[13:48] <imbrandon> zomg, that is priceless
[13:48] <imbrandon> ok ok i looked closer before i left
[13:49] <imbrandon> but yea , priceless
[13:49] <imbrandon> you make that mhall119 ?
[13:49] <imbrandon> dude , even his wife commented
[13:49] <imbrandon> hahah classic
[14:02] <mhall119> imbrandon: yeah I made it
[14:09] <imbrandon> heh i seen one for devlopers and thought it was good, but that one, man i hope Erica framed it
[14:11] <imbrandon> cold spagatti , breakfast of champions , only thing better is fruity pebbles with mt dew ( for milk )
[14:11] <mhall119> um, ew
[14:12] <mhall119> although...I could go for some fruity pebbles
[14:39] <technoviking> jcastro: think I got it OpenID working!!! Just need  login.ununtu.com to accept requests from the test forums
[14:39] <s-fox> woot technoviking
[15:55] <technoviking> jcastro: tiaz is seeing if it is a fix from their end.
[15:56] <technoviking> quiet today, too quiet:)
[16:36] <komputes> http://askubuntu.com/questions/38789/remove-the-workspace-switcher-launcher-from-unity-launcher
[16:37] <komputes> ^ just realized all solutions with the same rating shift from one visit to another
[16:37] <komputes> smart way to give each one a chance to be on top
[16:44] <s-fox> jokerdino,  thanks for the blog comment
[16:44] <s-fox> :)
[17:07] <s-fox> Goodbye.
[18:06] <bkerensa> mhall119: Do you have access to the Ubuntu FB page and possibly the Ubuntu G+ and Ubuntu Dev G+?
[18:06] <bkerensa> :)
[18:07] <bkerensa> dholbach is out for the day and I wanted to get the Ubuntu 12.04 Development Update out on the social media
[18:34] <Atlantic777> Hi guys! I need your opinion and help, or a psychotherapeutist...
[18:34] <Atlantic777> Well, there is a crew which started an e-magazine, I joined them, helped them organise, and we are about to publish our 0 release.
[18:35] <Atlantic777> There are some guys which are working their job really great but there are some conflicts, of course...
[18:36] <Atlantic777> The guy A simply ignores guy B. Guy A is my good friend which I like very, very much and who will help me always. Guy B started whole this idea.
[18:36] <Atlantic777> Should I try to make peace or simply tell them the truth and keep them both in my team in spite of they don't like eachother?
[18:37] <Atlantic777> Please, ping me if anybody has any opinion or hint what to do. Thanks in advance. ;)
[18:43] <mhall119> bkerensa: I have Ubuntu on FB, and Unity on G+
[18:44] <mhall119> bkerensa: linky?
[18:44] <bkerensa> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2012/03/29/ubuntu-12-04-development-update-20/
[18:44] <bkerensa> also on omg
[18:59] <mhall119> bkerensa: done
[19:03] <balloons> Atlantic777, :-) sounds like the real world..Being stuck between two people like that can be hard
[19:08] <pleia2> mhall119: beta2 isn't out yet ;)
[19:08] <pleia2> but I'll get that up on fridge too when it is
[19:09] <balloons> it's very close :-)
[19:14] <mhall119> pleia2: it isn't? doh!
[19:14]  * mhall119 blames bkerensa
[19:15] <bkerensa> What?
[19:16] <bkerensa> mhall119: It is not my fault .... blame dholbach who decided to take the day off :P
[19:16] <bkerensa> he signed off on it anyways
[19:16] <bkerensa> :)
[19:16] <bkerensa> and it says "set to be released" which is not guaranteed
[19:22] <bkerensa> pleia2: it is out?
[19:22] <pleia2> where is that bot that says "no" :P
[19:22] <bkerensa> It has been out since 11am PST?
[19:23] <pleia2> skaet will send out a release announcement
[19:23] <bkerensa> well :P then OMG announcing it as being out and many other sites must be in error
[19:23] <pleia2> they always announce early
[19:23] <pleia2> (have done this for years)
[19:24] <bkerensa> ahh
[19:24] <bkerensa> :D
[19:24] <pleia2> we wait for the official announcement from the release manager :)
[19:25] <pleia2> the news sites get revenue from their posts, so announcing early gets them hits before their competitors and so they get the traffic first
[19:25] <pleia2> fridge, not so much
[19:26] <Atlantic777> balloons: huh, it's harder than I thought... :(
[19:26] <Atlantic777> I'm having conversation with the B guy and it's... not looking good.
[19:26] <pleia2> Atlantic777: it's not an easy spot to be in and I've seen projects fail due to conflicts like this, you just need to do the best you can and walk away if it becomes unresolvable (full circle magazine always needs help :))
[19:26] <czajkowski> bkerensa: omg is not offical now is it
[19:28] <bkerensa> czajkowski: Obviously not
[20:44] <balloons> hey cjohnston --- you ready for me to break your pc again?
[20:45] <cjohnston> no
[21:01] <Atlantic777> huh it's over -.-'
[21:01] <Atlantic777> and it's good, somehow :D
[21:03] <pleia2> bkerensa: ok, now it's released :)
[21:05] <balloons> cjohnston, hehe.. well.. prepare yourself :-)
[22:31]  * balloons crosses fingers
[22:55] <greg-g> popey: btw, that #goupstream is Go Up Stream not Goup Stream :)
[22:55] <popey> hmm?
[22:56] <greg-g> see twitter
[22:57] <popey> oh, i see
[22:59] <popey> redmine needs a kick in the teeth
[22:59] <popey> searching for a y'know, "file a bug" button
[22:59] <greg-g> yeah yeah
[22:59] <popey> oh, they're issues
[22:59] <popey> not bugs
[22:59] <popey> bah
[22:59] <greg-g> well, you need to create an account, just like on every bug tracker :)
[23:00] <popey> yeah, already done that
[23:00] <popey> you login, then it lists "bugs"
[23:01] <popey> but then to file a "bug" you click "new issue", not "new bug" or "file bug" or anything super logical
[23:01] <popey> anyway, done
[23:01] <popey> http://redmine.yorba.org/issues/4976
[23:01] <popey> also, joy, i cant link lp to it
[23:02] <popey> "Shotwell uses trac.yorba.org/ to track its bugs. If you know this bug has been reported there, you can link to it; Launchpad will keep track of its status for you."
[23:02] <popey> yet my link is redmine., not trac.
[23:02] <greg-g> well, that seems to be LP's fault
[23:03] <greg-g> the admin of the shotwell project needs to update the LP info
[23:03] <greg-g> which, you know, every upstream is the admin of the LP project for their package ;)
[23:03] <popey> as the shipped photo app in ubuntu they should be more attentive :p
[23:04] <greg-g> "sure" :)
[23:04] <popey> ☺
[23:04] <popey> right, now to my third bug of the evening
[23:05] <greg-g> nice
[23:05] <greg-g> is this one for LP itself? :)
[23:06] <popey> haha
[23:09] <greg-g> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/341895
[23:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 341895 in launchpad ""Launchpad does not recognize" upstream URL: should gracefully handle links from unregistered bugtrackers" [Low,Triaged]
[23:09] <greg-g> jcastro: already reported it for you/us BACK IN 2009! :)
[23:11]  * popey clicks 'affects me'
[23:12]  * popey notes he is one of _two_ people it affects
[23:12] <popey> \o/ go me and him!


[17:28] <shpongle> let me know if i got it right, this channel is about teaching people how to answer correctly to support questions?
[17:31] <IdleOne> this channel was supposed to be about supporting the helpers
[17:33] <IdleOne> if a helper needed a little more info and could not find it or remember what a wiki link was...that sort of stuff
[17:33] <shpongle> IdleOne, so what's the difference between this to  #ubuntu-meta?
[17:33] <IdleOne> least that is how I understood it
[17:33] <IdleOne> shpongle: that is what part of the "confusion" is.
[17:34] <IdleOne> for now this channel is on hold until a scope can be defined
[17:34] <IdleOne> I could be completely wrong. jussi would be the best person to answer
[17:34] <IdleOne> shpongle: you are welcome to idle here and wait for jussi to respond :)
[17:35] <shpongle> o.k.. will do :)
[17:51] <jussi> o/
[17:51] <jussi> shpongle: #ubuntu-meta picks up unanswered questions from #ubuntu and acategorises them.
[17:52] <shpongle> hi jussi
[17:52] <jussi> here is for helping the helpers - if youve a question about how to help etc
[17:53] <shpongle> so it's just for a specific problem, not like a classroom?
[17:56] <jussi> here is sort of ad hoc - just for stuff whenever it comes up
[17:57] <jussi> think of this as "backstage" for #ubuntu
[17:59] <shpongle> umm go it, thank you and IdleOne for helping... guess i'm out of here :)
[18:00] <jussi> shpongle: feel free to idle :)
[18:01] <jussi> shpongle: this channel isnt just for #ubuntu - you can ask about how to help people in any ubuntu channel here
[18:05] <shpongle> jussi, alright
[18:06] <shpongle> jussi, wouldn't you want this channel more well known?
[18:06] <jussi> shpongle: yes, I guess. its just been low on my priority list.
[18:06]  * jussi is a busy guy
[18:08] <shpongle> :) i'm sure you are
[18:09] <shpongle> jussi, i can talk about it with some people or even send to a mailing list?
[18:09] <jussi> shpongle: yes and yes!
[18:11] <IdleOne> YES!!
[18:12] <jussi> http://jussi01.com/?p=75
[18:12] <jussi> shpongle: ^^
[18:19] <shpongle> jussi, OK i'm on it :)
[18:23] <jussi> :)


[00:09] <adam_> teaeedm pls no f
[00:09] <adam_> team pls no feed
[00:09] <adam_> if you feed, I report
[00:10] <adam_> ok?
[00:11] <adam_> team
[00:11] <adam_> noop!
[00:17] <dougl> so is it like rocket science to install chrome os on virtualbox in 13.10?
[00:18] <dougl> lol
[00:18] <dougl> I need to find the right channel
[00:18] <adam_> why would you want crawlos
[00:18] <adam_> chromos
[00:18] <dougl> I just want to see it.
[00:22] <adam_> boring
[00:22] <adam_> it's just gentoo
[02:08] <Zeh_Gordinho> boa noite a todos
[03:38] <theWhisperInYour> hi
[03:38] <theWhisperInYour> all
[03:48] <theWhisperIn_> hello
[04:18] <Bobbert> theWhisperIn_: Hello
[07:14] <soee> good morning
[07:53] <Rish> does kde have  any apllication related to OCR?
[08:29] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:34] <necosuce> putos
[08:34] <necosuce> hijos de putas
[08:36] <necosuce> noooooooooo
[09:25] <dheeraj_> please suggest any channel for distributed os
[09:34] <valorie> dheeraj_: what do you mean by distributed OS?
[09:34] <valorie> and do you know about alis? It's a great way to search freenode for channels
[09:34] <valorie> !alis
[10:04] <dheeraj_> !alis
[10:53] <bleek_> Whats happening in the 515?
[11:07] <dheeraj_> what is 515?
[11:09]  * Mamarok was wondering as well
[11:19] <dheeraj_>  /msg alis list #ubuntu*
[11:19] <dheeraj_> !alis
[11:19] <dheeraj_>  /msg alis list #ubuntu
[11:22] <apachelogger> dheeraj_: without space before the / ;)
[11:27] <dheeraj_>  msg alis list #ubuntu
[11:29] <apachelogger> dheeraj_: with the '/' but without the space ' ' at the beginning of the line :P
[11:30] <dheeraj_> apachelogger: Got it :D
[13:11] <firman> hello
[15:15] <dhq> /join ddwrt
[15:16] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[15:16] <dhq> hey guys i just wanted to know is there anyway to connect my router to an external vpn server and route all my traffic there ?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> dhq: interesting question ..I've wondered about that myself. i assumed the vpn service clients would have to setup on individual pcs on LAN...never heard of configging a router to do so.
[15:20] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:21] <dhq> BluesKaj: if a single pc can connect to a vpn why not a router i am sure someone here will be able to help me
[15:25] <BluesKaj> dhq:  well it's a question I've never come across before , either here or #ubuntu where there are more networking gurus than here
[15:27] <crowell> dhq: yes, that is possible
[15:28] <crowell> ddwrt can have openvpn built in
[15:28] <dhq> crowell: how do i go about with it . i have ddwrt
[15:28] <crowell> dhq: http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/OpenVPN
[15:29] <crowell> look under the "OpenVPN in DD-WRT" section
[15:31] <dhq> crowell: thanks :)
[18:57] <keithzg> Hmm. Trying to install Kubuntu on a machine through a freshly-formatted (via the Startup Disk Creator) USB drive, and instead of loading ubiquity-qt after the standard KDE login splash it goes to a black screen, albeit with the oxygen cursor. This is a new one for me.
[18:57] <keithzg> I don't suppose the alternate installer still exists?
[19:02] <BluesKaj> keithzg, try with no acpi and nomodeset options at the install kubuntu page
[19:14] <keithzg> BluesKaj: Do you mean noacpi or "acpi=off"?  Although perhaps they do the same thing? I've never been clear on that, heh.
[19:15] <keithzg> Nevermind, was impatient and went with nomodeset and acpi=off and that seems to have worked, or at least I get the Try or Install screen so ubiquity has loaded fine.
[19:16] <keithzg> Sad to be reinstalling with ext4, but I'm starting to suspect btrfs might be my issue, alas.
[19:18] <keithzg> Either that or OCZ is going bankrupt for a reason ;)
[19:19] <BluesKaj> keithzg, yes , ext4 is the best way to go , btrfs isn't supported officially afaik
[19:19] <keithzg> BluesKaj: Well, I was running it fine for nearly a year.
[19:19] <BluesKaj> acpi=off , yes
[19:20] <keithzg> Then the SSD died, and I got another one. Trying to migrate the partition on the new drive SEEMED to be going fine . . . but I kept getting kernel panics once I actually booted and was using the PC.
[19:21] <keithzg> So now I'm just trying a fresh install with EXT4, which should prove at least whether the problem is failing hardware (again, or perhaps still) or just my software layer atop it.
[19:22] <keithzg> About to be going on an extended holiday across the ocean for the latter half of December, want a personal machine I can safely SSH into at the office while I'm gone in case things blow up, heh.
[19:22] <BluesKaj> why would you use btrfs , I think whatever advantages it may have are outweighed by the lack of support
[19:23] <keithzg> BluesKaj: Naw, the support situation isn't as dire as it has been.
[19:23] <keithzg> Hell, popey runs it these days ( http://popey.com/blog/2013/09/02/fun-with-btrfs-on-ubuntu/ )
[19:24] <keithzg> If an Engineering Manager at Canonical is running it, I'm considering it "in support" ;)
[19:27] <keithzg> And again, I have no actual proof yet that it was my problem, just trying to be ultra-cautious, start from a blank slate that's 100% standard and work from there.
[20:09] <keithzg> Heh, nope, still kernel panicking even after the fresh, EXT4-based install. Lovely.
[20:11] <jarkko> what kernel
[20:27] <keithzg> Not sure, since it crashed ;)
[20:27] <keithzg> Latest from 13.10...give me a sec...
[20:28] <jarkko> is there anyway to upgrade?
[20:28] <keithzg> 3.11.0-14-generic AMD64
[20:29] <keithzg> Oh, yikes:
[20:29] <keithzg> Reading package lists... Error!
[20:29] <keithzg> E: Malformed Description-md5 line; includes invalid character '9;bf92de02465b0c534bf208be081a9a'
[20:30] <keithzg> A second run of apt-get update finished fine . . .
[20:30] <keithzg> No kernel updates, however.
[20:31] <keithzg> And this computer *used* to work fine, it was only a few months ago when the SSD died that I stopped using it. Took me until now to try and get it back on its feet, and now I'm wondering how deep the problems might go. But it's particularly strange, since it's a fairly modern build, all parts new within the last year.
[20:32] <jarkko> well if you can go to console it's pretty easy to upgrade
[20:32] <jarkko> just google  ubuntu kernel ppa
[20:32] <jarkko> and pick newer kernel
[20:32] <jarkko> 3.12 series i would suggest
[20:32] <jarkko> you need to download 3 files
[20:33] <keithzg> I'm . . . really doubting that that's the problem here.
[20:33] <keithzg> For example, I just tried to upgrade the current packages.
[20:33] <keithzg> Setting up gcc-4.8-base:amd64 (4.8.1-10ubuntu9) ...
[20:33] <keithzg> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault.
[20:33] <jarkko> that does sound weird
[20:33] <BluesKaj> dependencies
[20:33] <keithzg> Which calls into question whether I'd be able to install a new kernel...
[20:33] <jarkko> is your install media ok
[20:34] <jarkko> or harddisk
[20:38] <keithzg> I have tested both, and both *seem* fine (tested consistency on the install USB with the built-in boot option for doing so, it claimed everything was fine).
[20:47] <keithzg> Whee, every time I run apt-get -f install I get a new and fancy error!
[20:47] <keithzg> dpkg: ../../src/processarc.c:1252: process_archive: Assertion `otherpkg->clientdata->istobe == itb_normal || otherpkg->clientdata->istobe == itb_deconfigure' failed.
[20:49] <keithzg> Arghh whose brilliant idea was it to make Grub's timeout 0 by default. Sigh.
[20:51] <keithzg> Wait, the timeout is set to 10 in /etc/default/grub? So why is it booting straight to kubuntu? Weird.
[20:53] <BluesKaj> keithzg, sudo dpkg --configure -a , then, try sudo dpkg --clear-avail , then sudo apt-get -f install ...no gurantees but sometimes thses will work
[20:54] <BluesKaj> the timeout isn't supported if the hidden timeout is "0"
[20:55] <keithzg> Ahhh, that makes sense.
[20:56] <keithzg> apt-get -f install is . . . less than successful.
[20:56] <keithzg> http://pastebin.kde.org/p6tr4thrh
[20:57] <BluesKaj> yeah, was afraid of that
[21:05] <keithzg> Hmm. Things seem to be working fine after booting into a recovery console.
[21:06] <keithzg> Guess I probably have to append acpi=off to my boot line on the installed version too. I mean, I *hope* the solution is that simple.
[21:08] <BluesKaj> keithzg, yes , I did the same , and after upgrading i was ab
[21:08] <BluesKaj> le to use "default', without any consequences
[21:10] <BluesKaj> that was after i got the proper graphics driver installed
[21:10] <keithzg> Mine is Intel and I haven't even logged into a KDE session yet, though :(
[21:13] <keithzg> Oh great, with ACPI off now I'm getting duplicated keypresses.
[21:13] <keithzg> Brilliant.
[21:14] <BluesKaj> yeah there is a new intel version i915 driver
[21:15] <BluesKaj> it will give some decent deskop effects with OpenGL and raster with the experimental mesa-utils app
[21:15] <keithzg> Oh, well that's cool I guess.
[21:16] <keithzg> I, uhh, swear I already had that running before all this blew up, however.
[21:16] <keithzg> It's an Ivy Bridge-based setup.
[21:17] <BluesKaj> well, I'm new to intel HW on Linux , since I bought this laptop
[21:17] <BluesKaj> ivy-bridge here as well
[21:17] <keithzg> Ah, fair enough.
[21:21] <keithzg> Well, I think I'll stop lightdm from autostarting for now then, if graphics drivers might remain an issue.
[21:24] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do for 30mins or so
[21:42] <nimtz> how do you enable multiple desktop/workspaces
[21:43] <Avihay> nimtz: system and settings->workspace behaviour->virtual desktops
[21:48] <nimtz> thanks!
[21:50] <nimtz> hmm, switching doesn twork
[22:05] <Avihay> d'you try the shortcuts? the pager plasmoid?


[09:28] <easwar> \o talsemgeest
[09:28] <talsemgeest> Heya easwar
[09:29] <easwar> so you are alive in #uf-beginners
[09:29] <easwar> :)
[09:30] <talsemgeest> I only just came online, and I have to leave soon too...
[09:34] <easwar> talsemgeest, hmm
[09:34] <talsemgeest> easwar, Hmm?
[09:34] <talsemgeest> Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm going to have to miss your lesson. :(
[09:35] <easwar> talsemgeest, no problem
[09:35] <easwar> you probably know how to deal with Ubiquity's partitioner and GParted
[09:36] <talsemgeest> Haha, yeah. I was hoping I could help you out a bit, but it is my first day back at school tomorrow, and it is 10:35PM now
[09:36] <talsemgeest> So it is best for me not to stay up...
[09:41] <easwar> talsemgeest, hmm
[09:41] <easwar> cool
[09:41] <easwar> no problem
[09:43] <easwar> Who's a Ubuntu member?
[09:45] <easwar> We need someone to be able to make this channel moderated for the Beginners Team-Education Focus Group session 4 hours from now
[10:05] <ibuclaw> asd
[10:05] <ibuclaw> :)
[10:05] <easwar> cool
[10:05] <forestpixie> all done then
[10:05] <easwar> yeah
[10:05] <ibuclaw> /voice name
[10:05] <ibuclaw> to voice them when moderated
[10:05] <ibuclaw> and /devoice name
[10:05] <ibuclaw> I think
[10:06] <ibuclaw> you'll figure it out soon enough. I'm just going off memory
[10:06] <forestpixie> try again easwar and I'll voice ibuclaw
[10:07] <easwar> forestpixie, go for it
[10:07] <ibuclaw> :)
[10:07] <easwar> ibuclaw, say something\
[10:07] <forestpixie> I did - see
[10:07] <easwar> done
[10:07] <easwar> cool
[10:08] <easwar> ibuclaw, say something again
[10:08] <ibuclaw> no
[10:08] <ibuclaw> I don't want to
[10:08] <ibuclaw> meanie :)
[10:08] <easwar> ok
[10:09] <ibuclaw> anyways, I'm off to work
[10:09] <easwar> forestpixie, /mode +m to moderate,/mode -m to unmoderate
[10:09] <easwar> bbye ibuclaw
[10:09] <easwar>  /voice nick to voice,/devoice nick for removing voice
[10:09] <forestpixie> yep I got it
[10:36] <easwar> forestpixie, gotta reboot for the kernel update,be back in a bit
[10:36] <forestpixie> k
[10:56] <easwar> give me ops before you go forestpixie
[10:56] <easwar> or we will be stuck with no ops at all
[11:09] <easwar> \o PartyBoi2
[11:09] <PartyBoi2> hey easwar
[11:13] <easwar> PartyBoi2, Ubuntu member?
[11:17] <PartyBoi2> easwar, I am not a ubuntu member why?
[11:18] <easwar> PartyBoi2, coz only Ubuntu members can take or give ops in this channel
[11:18] <easwar> and suppose I and forestpixie do something stupid and remove our ops,we will need a member to give it back to us
[11:19] <PartyBoi2> sorry, can't help you there :)
[11:20] <forestpixie> you've got ops - just don't leave till we've done :)
[11:21] <easwar> forestpixie, I won't of my own volition
[11:21] <easwar> but God forbid,if there's a power cut......
[11:25] <jpds> If you need someone, just ask us in #ubuntu-irc.
[11:26] <easwar> jpds, for Ubuntu members?
[11:26] <jpds> easwar: Well, the op team is there and we're generally members.
[11:26] <easwar> jpds, thanks then
[11:26] <easwar> will keep that in mind
[11:26] <easwar> :)
[11:26] <easwar> :D
[11:27] <jpds> Anytime.
[11:28] <easwar> :)
[12:13] <easwar> forestpixie, such accidents are why we need an Ubuntu member nearby ;)
[12:13] <easwar> nick timeouts etc
[13:25] <forestpixie> hi - how many people have turned up for the Partitioning - Part One session ?
[13:34] <forestpixie> I'll ask again - how many people have turned up for the Partitioning - Part One session ?
[13:35] <forestpixie> the person running the session has some power cut issues and has just left the building
[13:35] <PartyBoi2> I have forestpixie
[13:35] <forestpixie> lol
[13:41] <PartyBoi2> so when will we be starting?
[13:42] <PartyBoi2> what is happening forestpixie?
[13:42] <forestpixie> it seems that there's no-one here for it - if there are I'll try and run it on the fly
[13:43] <forestpixie> we can postpone it if necessary
[13:44] <PartyBoi2> maybe that might be an option since easwar is not here
[13:44] <forestpixie> indeed
[13:45] <forestpixie> I'l' wait till 13:50 UTC and cancel then if he still cut off
[13:46] <PartyBoi2> ok, hopefully others will turn up in the meantime or raise their hand to let you know they are here for the Partitioning session
[13:46] <forestpixie> :)
[13:51] <forestpixie> ok - assuming that no-one is here for it and as eawar is still missing I'll postpone the session
[13:53] <PartyBoi2> ok forestpixie, thanks for your time anyway and hopefully more will turn up next time as well as easwar
[13:53] <forestpixie> :)
[13:59] <unutbu> Is it true that IDE drives can have up to 63 partitions?
[13:59] <forestpixie> yea afaik  - but only 4 primaries - including a extended which can have numerous logicals
[14:00] <unutbu> I read recently that since IDE drives now use the same driver as SATA drives, they can now only support 15
[14:00] <forestpixie> I did see something similar myself, and tbh I've not tried
[14:01] <forestpixie> I've not looked into it in any depth since - not needing to do so
[14:01] <easwar> Are we started?
[14:01] <unutbu> Okay, thanks forestpixie
[14:01] <forestpixie> no we cancelled there was no-one here for it
[14:02] <forestpixie> other than unutbu asking a question just now :)
[14:02] <easwar> no one?
[14:02] <forestpixie> nope
[14:02]  * easwar is quite licky then
[14:02] <easwar> *lucky
[14:02] <forestpixie> glad you noticed that typo :)
[14:03] <easwar> forestpixie, hmm?
[14:03] <easwar> what would licky mean?
[14:03] <forestpixie> puppies can be licky :)
[14:03]  * easwar doesn't get it
[14:03] <forestpixie> easwar: unutbu asked  I read recently that since IDE drives now use the same driver as SATA drives, they can now only support 15
[14:04] <easwar> 15 partitions?
[14:04] <forestpixie> I read the same somewhere too
[14:04] <easwar> well,that is news to me
[14:05] <easwar> BTW, what was the message you received when I quit?
[14:06] <unutbu> try it, we'll tell you
[14:06] <easwar> unutbu, I can't
[14:06] <easwar> unutbu, that was an unintentional quit because of power failure
[14:06] <forestpixie> easwar has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
[14:06] <easwar> hm
[14:07] <easwar> unutbu, well,where did you read this?
[14:07] <easwar> that SATA drivers force IDE drives to have a max of 15 partitions?
[14:08]  * easwar is kinda happy,as well as sad
[14:08] <unutbu> Um, it was on ubuntuforums a day or two ago
[14:09]  * easwar hasn't seen it
[14:09] <forestpixie> that's where I saw it too I think
[14:09] <unutbu> http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6644988&postcount=8
[14:11] <easwar> hmm,citations needed
[14:11] <forestpixie> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Partition/#logical
[14:13] <forestpixie> perhaps it's so - I'll play with an old hdd and let you know unutbu what I find out :)
[14:13] <unutbu> Oh good. Thank you very much.
[14:13] <easwar> ah,not that
[14:13] <forestpixie> won't be 'very' soon but I'll pm you on the forum :)
[14:14] <easwar> I meant where is it that Linux uses IDE drives using SATA drivers?
[14:14] <unutbu> no problem; take your time :)
[14:15] <forestpixie> heh - it won't be till week or two - I got my session to think about for next saturday - but if no-one turns up I'll look then lol
[14:16] <pleia2> it's fine to postpone, but just be aware that some people join the channel knowing they can't be here, but intend to read the logs :)
[14:16] <pleia2> plus, logs are posted online after for folks who couldn't make it - so even a session that only has a couple attendees is still useful
[14:17] <forestpixie> mmm ok
[14:17] <easwar> pleia2, zilch attendees
[14:17] <pleia2> ah, I thought PartyBoi2 and unutbu were here for it :)
[14:18] <forestpixie> partyboi2 was here keeping me company and I wasn't sure about unutbu
[14:18] <easwar> pleia2, nope, PartyBoi2 doesn't need to
[14:18] <easwar> and I'm also unsure about unutbu
[14:18] <forestpixie> but I'll bear it in mind next week pleia2
[14:19] <easwar> forestpixie, they don't attend sessions,and later create threads with Partitioning problem for dual boot
[14:19] <easwar> and crying faces
[14:19] <easwar> lol
[14:19]  * easwar will have a field day increasing his post count at the next Ubuntu release(again)
[14:21] <easwar> forestpixie, you can deop yourself
[14:22] <zpowers> I'm sorry to intterupt, but I'd find it difficult to believe that IDE and SATA disk would use the same driver, due to the nature of the disk(one being parallel the other serial). What unutbu may be refering to is the consolidation of unix device names for IDE and SCSI devices in the linux kernel(ie IDE drives are no longer being named hd[a-z] but rather all drives are now using the name sd[a-z])
[14:22]  * easwar too
[14:23] <forestpixie> yea I believe he is - but whether it makes a physical difference to howmany logicals can be created I've no idea as I've not attempted to do so ever
[14:23]  * easwar too
[14:25] <easwar> any people here for the partitioning session?
[14:27] <zpowers> I'd think the number of paritions is limited much more by the capabilities what the MBR and BIOS than the Linux(or any other) kernel
[14:28] <unutbu> zpowers: See the link forestpixie referenced: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Partition/#logical
[14:31] <easwar> unutbu, that doesn't prove that IDE drives now onwards can only have 15 partitions as opposed to 63 earlier
[14:31] <unutbu> Yes, I agree, with that easwar
[14:32] <unutbu> zpowers was saying the limitation was due to MBR or BIOS. The tldp link suggests that it is a limitation of linux
[14:32] <easwar> unutbu, plus the post that was referenced in the Ubuntu forums has a disclaimer that he may be wrog
[14:32] <easwar> *wrong
[14:33] <unutbu> Yes, I know that the source was himself uncertain. I would like to check this, but I have no IDE drive
[14:33] <zpowers> Its also unlcear wether this limit is 15 per primary volume, or 15 in total
[14:34] <zpowers> I have an IDE drive in use at home
[14:34] <easwar> unutbu, I have a PATA drive
[14:34] <easwar> similar,IIRC,to an IDE


[11:47] <LordGamer> I just got mine to work Sharn a few hours ago
[11:48] <Sharn> Yes - it is, Crag1.
[11:48] <Sharn> Craig1* If you burned the one that boots into Xfce
[11:48] <Craig1> so i can boot off of that and it will give me the grub options?
[11:49] <Rippawallet> hey
[11:49] <Sharn> Well, you can boot into that, mount your Linux partition and edit the grub options just like you did before.
[11:49] <Rippawallet> the thing that says applications at the top has gone, now it's only the firefox icon
[11:49] <Sharn> LordGamer: Is yours integrated, though?
[11:49] <Craig1> oh...i got it
[11:49] <Craig1> thanks again for everyones help
[11:49] <LordGamer> nope ATI 1900XT
[11:49] <Craig1> i'll let you know how it turns out
[11:49] <Sharn> Rippawallet: Right click on an empty piece and click add to panel
[11:50] <Sharn> Then choose Menu Bar
[11:51] <Rippawallet> uhm
[11:51] <Sharn> See, that's my problem. This is a "Radeon Xpress 200"
[11:51] <Rippawallet> i accidently chose trash
[11:51] <Rippawallet> twice
[11:51] <Rippawallet> Xd
[11:51] <Rippawallet> how do i remove it
[11:51] <Sharn> Rofl...
[11:51] <Sharn> Right click on the icon and hit remove
[11:51] <Rippawallet> XD
[11:51] <Sharn> Doh. I'm thinking Gnome. Is it the same?
[11:51] <Rippawallet> oh yeah
[11:51] <Rippawallet> thanks
[11:51] <Rippawallet> :D
[11:51] <Rippawallet> yeah
[11:51] <Sharn> Mmhmm
[11:51] <Sharn> No problem
[11:52] <Rippawallet> oh
[11:52] <Rippawallet> there isnt one that says menu bar
[11:52] <Sharn> Ahhh. So it is slightly different from Gnome
[11:52] <Rippawallet> right
[11:52] <Rippawallet> i put
[11:52] <Rippawallet> applications
[11:52] <Rippawallet> on the right hand site
[11:52] <Sharn> There will be an equivalent, just keep looking.
[11:52] <Rippawallet> ah
[11:52] <Rippawallet> i got it
[11:52] <Rippawallet> thanks
[11:52] <Sharn> Good. :)
[11:52] <Rippawallet> :D
[11:54] <Sharn> Rofl
[11:54] <Sharn> That's why I'm here.  Oh, rofl
[11:55] <Rippawallet> hmmm
[11:55] <Sharn> I've tried the Radeon opensource and fglrs
[11:55] <Rippawallet> why isnt my wallpaper showing up
[11:55] <Sharn> fglrx*
[11:55] <Rippawallet> its just blue
[11:55] <Rippawallet> >:(
[11:55] <cyberyak> sharn try the ati
[11:55] <Sharn> About 10 different tuts...
[11:56] <Sharn> Just ati instead of radeon?
[11:56] <cyberyak> if radeon isn't working
[11:56] <Sharn> Which is what I'm using now...
[11:56] <Sharn> It just doesn't give me "accelerated graphics"
[11:56] <cyberyak> ahhh.
[11:56] <cyberyak> nvm then.
[11:56] <cyberyak> I thought it wasn't working at all.
[11:56] <Sharn> Rippawallet: try setting a new one...
[11:57] <Rippawallet> i have
[11:57] <Rippawallet> lol
[11:57] <Sharn> No, it's set for Radeon right now...
[11:57] <cyberyak> OHHHH.
[11:57] <Sharn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy
[11:57] <Sharn> I went through that...
[11:57] <cyberyak> wait. the 200 integrated cards.....
[11:57] <LordGamer> Sharn,  thats what all those reinstalls are from lol tryung ti get the ATI drivers to work
[11:57] <Sharn> Actually, that one is. xD
[11:57] <Sharn> I can recover from X not starting now, though...
[11:57] <cyberyak> you may have to turn off something.....
[11:58] <Sharn> And yes - cyberyak, that's the one.
[11:58] <Rippawallet> ROFL
[11:58] <Rippawallet> icon size is 192
[11:58] <Rippawallet> :D
[11:59] <Sharn> Holy crap. 192...
[11:59] <Rippawallet> yeha
[11:59] <Rippawallet> they all pile
[11:59] <Rippawallet> on top of eachother
[11:59] <Rippawallet> :>
[12:00] <Rippawallet> whats default icon size
[12:00] <Rippawallet> >_<
[12:00] <Sharn> No idea, rofl..
[12:01] <Sharn> Onn the desktop?
[12:01] <Rippawallet> :(
[12:01] <Rippawallet> yes
[12:01] <Rippawallet> lol
[12:01] <Sharn> Probably 32x32
[12:01] <Sharn> No..
[12:01] <Sharn> 64x64
[12:01] <Rippawallet> no
[12:01] <Rippawallet> like
[12:01] <Rippawallet> you can choose
[12:01] <Rippawallet> oh
[12:01] <Rippawallet> right
[12:01] <Rippawallet> >_<
[12:01] <Sharn> Uhm...
[12:01] <Sharn> Lol...
[12:01] <Sharn> I think it's 64x64
[12:02] <Sharn> I think I'll install xubuntu-desktop.... just for something new.
[12:02] <Sharn> Wtf... No package?
[12:03] <Sharn> xD
[12:03] <Rippawallet> i set the screen resolution
[12:03] <Rippawallet> to like
[12:03] <Rippawallet> something huge
[12:03] <Sharn> mfao
[12:03] <Rippawallet> and couldnt change back
[12:03] <Sharn> Lmfao*
[12:03] <Rippawallet> and it logged me off
[12:03] <Rippawallet> lol
[12:03] <Rippawallet> and all normal now
[12:03] <Rippawallet> D:
[12:03] <Sharn> My monitor goes gay on me when mine goes above 1024x768
[12:03] <Rippawallet> yeah
[12:04] <Sharn> Bleeh.
[12:04] <Rippawallet> Hehe.
[12:04] <Sharn> Doesn't matter, since it's only 15"...
[12:04] <Sharn> New experience?
[12:04] <Rippawallet> What
[12:04] <Sharn> Is breaking Linux a new experience? xD
[12:05] <Rippawallet> err
[12:05] <Rippawallet> kind
[12:05] <Sharn> cyberyak... that's insae.
[12:05] <Rippawallet> i deleted grub earlier
[12:05] <CraigA> sharn....check this out
[12:05] <Rippawallet> and couldnt boot up windoez
[12:05] <CraigA> i am now back in linux
[12:05] <Sharn> Lmfao!  I don't like using usb mice and keyboards.
[12:06] <CraigA> the f'n thing actually works
[12:06] <CraigA> i am so stoked
[12:06] <cyberyak> I don't know that *I* can do 1920x1440
[12:06] <Sharn> PS/2 all the way
[12:06] <Sharn> 21".... not fair.
[12:06] <cyberyak> heheheh. Why?
[12:06] <Sharn> 15" sucks.
[12:06] <Sharn> xD
[12:06] <cyberyak> ahh.
[12:06] <cyberyak> so I shouldn
[12:07] <Rippawallet> D:
[12:07] <Sharn> :O
[12:07] <Rippawallet> we are talking about our "areas" right?
[12:07] <cyberyak> so I shouldn't point out that I have 6-21" CRTs sitting here.
[12:07] <Sharn> No, you probably shouldn't...
[12:07] <cyberyak> and this machine is running dual 19"LCDs
[12:07] <cyberyak> Ok, then, I won't.
[12:07] <Rippawallet> wow
[12:07] <Sharn> Unless you want my shipping address. ;)
[12:07] <Rippawallet> my wallpaper is leet
[12:07] <cyberyak> lol
[12:07] <Rippawallet> care to see
[12:08] <Sharn> Rofl...
[12:08] <Sharn> Mine is cooler. ^_^
[12:08] <Sharn> I havean icon for IE6 on my desktop, though.
[12:09] <CraigA> thanks again sharn....i appreciate your help
[12:09] <Sharn> The Linux gurus are gonna shun me. :O
[12:09] <Sharn> Your very welcome, CraigA
[12:09] <Sharn> glad it works. ^_^
[12:10] <Sharn> http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/1189/screenshotuz8.png
[12:10] <Sharn> Desktop showoff ftw. ^_^
[12:10] <Rippawallet> Sharn, trust
[12:11] <Rippawallet> look at this
[12:11] <LordGamer> anyone know a linux alternative to DGIndex and MeGUI for Linux?
[12:12] <cyberyak> nice
[12:12] <Sharn> LordGamer: What exactly are those? xD
[12:12] <Rippawallet> what
[12:12] <LordGamer> Video encoding apps
[12:12] <Rippawallet> Sharn, you icons are a leet size
[12:12] <Sharn> xD
[12:12] <LordGamer> yup
[12:13] <cyberyak> what did you use to install IE?
[12:13] <Sharn> MythTv sounds so cool. Wish I had a Tv tuner...
[12:13] <cyberyak> ies4linux?
[12:13] <cyberyak> or wineconfig and manual install.
[12:13] <Rippawallet> Sharn, ready for this?
[12:13] <Rippawallet> be warned
[12:13] <Rippawallet> it pwnz
[12:13] <Sharn> http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
[12:13] <Sharn> Ready.
[12:13] <Sharn> ies4linux ^
[12:14] <Rippawallet> http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/7499/snapshot3vq0.png
[12:14] <Sharn> Neeeeat render.
[12:14] <Rippawallet> what
[12:14] <Sharn> The Ubuntu 2D render. :O
[12:14] <Sharn> 3D*
[12:14] <Rippawallet> yeah
[12:14] <Rippawallet> it pwnz eh
[12:14] <Rippawallet> ;p
[12:14] <Sharn> That's awesome.
[12:15] <Rippawallet> lol
[12:15] <Rippawallet> now
[12:15] <Rippawallet> i want icons like yours
[12:15] <Rippawallet> :@
[12:15] <cyberyak> so is ies4linux the suggested way to install IE6 now?  I remember the wine guys frowning on it at one point.
[12:15] <Sharn> I still like my love snowballs, though. ^_^
[12:15] <Rippawallet> ^____________________________^
[12:15] <cyberyak> heheheheh
[12:15] <Sharn> cyberyak: I ahve no idea if it's a suggested way, but it works great.
[12:15] <cyberyak> I may actually have to add wallpaper....nah.
[12:16] <cyberyak> k, may have to do that.
[12:16] <Sharn> And Rippa - MSN ftw. xD
[12:16] <cyberyak> didn't they pull msstcorefonts
[12:16] <Sharn> Not sure...
[12:16] <cyberyak> rippa - msn?
[12:16] <Sharn> I concur. :)
[12:16] <Rippawallet> :d
[12:16] <Rippawallet><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:16] <Rippawallet> amsn is weird
[12:17] <Sharn> xD
[12:17] <Rippawallet> i have kopete
[12:17] <Sharn> I don't like aMSN
[12:17] <Rippawallet> but it says everyone is offline
[12:17] <Rippawallet> also
[12:17] <Rippawallet><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:17] <Sharn> Get GAIM
[12:17] <Rippawallet> is a custom one
[12:17] <Sharn> .hax. xD
[12:17] <Rippawallet> made using an exploit
[12:17] <Rippawallet> :D
[12:17] <Rippawallet> yeah
[12:17] <Rippawallet> leik
[12:17] <Sharn> Rofl!
[12:17] <Rippawallet> i have gaim
[12:17] <cyberyak> they don't actually have 1001
[12:17] <Rippawallet> but
[12:17] <Rippawallet> gay im
[12:17] <Rippawallet> lol
[12:17] <Rippawallet> get it
[12:17] <Rippawallet> D:
[12:17] <Sharn> I don't imagine...
[12:17] <Sharn> I prefer... uhm...
[12:18] <cyberyak> I got about 250 meg of free fonts off another site as well.
[12:18] <Sharn> Rofl... what's even the point? xD
[12:18] <cyberyak> got annoyed searching through their site.
[12:19] <cyberyak> they have each font like 3 layers into the site.
[12:19] <cyberyak> well dinner is on.  I gotta go.
[12:19] <TheSheep> these fonts are not really free
[12:19] <Sharn> Later cyberyak
[12:19] <cyberyak> msstcorefonts aren't free.
[12:19] <Sharn> http://www.dafont.com/
[12:19] <TheSheep> no, I mean the fonts on those various 'free fonts sites'
[12:19] <Sharn> Dafont pwns.
[12:19] <cyberyak> :O
[12:20] <cyberyak> false advertising.
[12:20] <Sharn> Download that one. xD
[12:20] <TheSheep> they just upload whatever they get their hands on, without checking the license
[12:20] <cyberyak> oops.
[12:20] <cyberyak> hrm.
[12:20] <cyberyak> Dinner!
[12:20] <TheSheep> you can get in trouble if you use these fonts in any commercial design
[12:21] <Sharn> TheSheep: alot of them people submit, too..
[12:21] <Sharn> I think...
[12:21] <Sharn> Yeah. a lot of them are user-submitted...
[12:22] <TheSheep> Sharn: sure, it's the same on "game sprites" sites -- a lot of sprites are submitted by users, who ripped them from games
[12:22] <Rippawallet> hi
[12:22] <Jester45> yea i been afk for a little but LordGamer having usb support at pre OS is only by your motherboard so... you have he doesnt lots of people dont have it
[12:22] <LordGamer> oh ok
[12:22] <Sharn> That makes sense.
[12:23] <Jester45> you can get a usb to ps/2 its simple and works fine