[17:27] <phenom> Instead of samsung fixing the problem, I believe they just removed the tool that "upgrades" the SSD and break linux functionality.
[17:27] <arneis> tomreyn- yes it is
[17:27] <DexterF> phenom: one of the reasons i dont buy samsungs anymore
[17:28] <phenom> Nor will I.
[17:28] <Mal__> hello
[17:28] <DexterF> at least they don't explode :D
[17:28] <jali_316> DexterF,I set zero boost mic but atuomaticly rise up.about your question I use chatzilla
[17:28] <DexterF> hello Mal__
[17:29] <Mal__> DexterF: Hi Dexter
[17:29] <phenom> For the past week, I've been spinning wheels trying to figure out a bug that makes my computer hang afer a few hours of running memory intensive applications.
[17:29] <DexterF> jali_316: usb mic or analog on sound card?
[17:29] <Mal__> phenom: might be a memory issue
[17:30] <phenom> I've added a trim command to my rc.local and it seems to have helped. Might be placebo.
[17:30] <jali_316> analog on sound card
[17:30] <phenom> Mal__, I ran a memory test on it for 6 hours.
[17:30] <DexterF> phenom: did it work before? could be related to the ssd issues, really
[17:30] <Mal__> phenom: i had the same problem before and computer wasn't detecting all the memory on sys
[17:30] <jr3> anyone successfully install mongo 3.2 on ubuntu 16.04 seems like the mongo docs are missing something
[17:31] <phenom> DexterF, 14.04 worked great and I haven't touched my SSD firmware since the update.
[17:31] <DexterF> jali_316: and if you record to, say, audacity you dont have the problem?
[17:31] <Mal__> phenom: I just enabled the Map arround memory hole in bios and all is good now
[17:31] <DexterF> phenom: then upgraded to 16.04?
[17:31] <Mal__> Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS
[17:31] <phenom> But I hacked up trim commands even using discard IIRC, which if I were to use that after i were to upgrade, that would prevent the system from even booting.
[17:32] <phenom> Mal__, I'll double check that.
[17:32] <phenom> DexterF, Sorry, yes. Upgraded to 16.04 and it will freeze, mouse and all, if left running to it's own devices.
[17:33] <Mal__> phenom: did you upgrade to 16.04.1
[17:33] <arneis> tomreyn- ok rebooting now to see if it's fixed it
[17:33] <DexterF> phenom: havent got anything sounder than what Mal__ says.
[17:33] <Mal__> its a long shot
[17:34] <Mal__> could hurt your computer might say it doesn't need to map arround memory hole if so you can just disable again
[17:34] <phenom> I'm trying to think what makes my system unique. I have a thinkpad (which every dev in the world uses, * facetiousness *), but I have also upgraded to the 840 ssd EVO.
[17:34] <jali_316> yes sir in audacity there is noise reduction but I realy need use other application such as telegram
[17:34] <arneis> tomreyn- no joy... I think maybe LUKS isn't starting so it can't find the volume group because it's still encrypted?
[17:34] <DexterF> phenom: what TP model?
[17:36] <DexterF> jali_316: the question is: who rises up noise when using telegram then. it sounds more like an issue with telegram itsefl than with the mic or card.
[17:36] <phenom> DexterF, x220
[17:36] <DexterF> jali_316: *all* programs ike telegram behave like that?
[17:36] <Mal__> Ive heard alot of people having problems with SSD's
[17:37] <DexterF> phenom: hmm. ultra low voltage cpu like i5 2537m?
[17:38] <jr3> im running an 840 evo right now on 16.04
[17:38] <DexterF> toshi ssd on t61wide right on my desk, seems fine so far
[17:38] <phenom> free -mt depicts: Mem:           7866        1772        4953         487        1139        5318
[17:38] <phenom> Swap:          8075           0        8075
[17:38] <phenom> Total:        15941        1772       13029
[17:38] <tomreyn> arneis: still looking for help?
[17:38] <jali_316> no sir without using telegram my microphne volume rise up .capture volume alsamixer
[17:38] <jali_316> I rise it down but it rises up again
[17:39] <phenom> DexterF, That I couldn't tell you.
[17:39] <phenom> I have the i7 version
[17:39] <Mal__> hows it doing now
[17:39] <DexterF> phenom: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[17:40] <tomreyn> arneis: oh i just relaized you tried to tell me something. please use "tomreyn:", not "tomreyn-" to address me
[17:40] <phenom> DexterF, What would be be looking for? model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2620M CPU @ 2.70GHz
[17:41] <DexterF> phenom: the only cpu with vpro in the x220. very long shot but if you dont need it i'd disable it in bios if possible
[17:41] <monolith> Hey, I'm looking for help with accessing an Apple Time Machine backup from Linux.  I've tried the step listed here https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2193764 and other places, but my backup looks very different.
[17:42] <monolith> I think that Apple Updated its storage system.  Instead of having a directory with the files, I only have 1 directory called bands, filled with system files.
[17:42] <phenom> DexterF, I appreciate you digging that up for me.
[17:42] <phenom> Good info.
[17:43] <tomreyn> arneis: what is /sbin/usb_keymaster ?
[17:44] <arneis> it's a script on the usb drive to avoid having to manually type in password to decrypt the volumes
[17:44] <arneis> the usb drive acts as the key
[17:45] <themusicgod1> upon upgrade to yakkety, my kern.log and syslog files are filling up with "Activated service 'ca.desrt.dconf' failed" log lines
[17:45] <arneis> tomreyn: I don't think it's even trying to execute it though
[17:45] <DexterF> jali_316: out of ideas, really, other than looking in telegram (and the others) if one can use "software mixing", it looks like your programs directly manipulate the sound card registers.
[17:45] <tomreyn> arneis: that's a bit of a non standard configuration, it would have been nice to discuss this.
[17:45] <themusicgod1> MB upon MB of these lines.  what is the next step to troubleshoot this?  google is giving nothing
[17:46] <Mal__> phenom: well something unique when i looked up Thinkpad x220 says it comes stock with i5 and your running i7 :)
[17:46] <arneis> tomreyn: http://www.cheshirekow.com/wordpress/?p=810
[17:46] <tomreyn> arneis: and such things tend to break when you upgrade.
[17:46] <themusicgod1> ( http://pastebin.com/muY49LKb )
[17:46] <DexterF> Mal__: comes in a range of configs, from celeron to i7
[17:46] <arneis> tomreyn: I'm wishing I hadn't bothered with encryption at all at this point!
[17:47] <phenom> Mal__, Yea, it was a upgrade.
[17:47] <phenom> I'd have rather had the i but only i7 had an USB3 port.
[17:47] <phenom> had the i5*
[17:47] <tomreyn> arneis: here's the configurations you posted so far, summed up, and ordered: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23334941/
[17:47] <Mal__> oh lol
[17:47] <DexterF> the heck is this... live on t61wide wont connect to my router neither via ethernet not wifi. tries to connect, disconnects again. guess its the router rather.
[17:48] <monolith> Bump
[17:48] <Mal__> i7 seemed the way to go for Ubuntu 16.04
[17:48] <monolith> Sorry to be spammy, but old questions in a busy channel usually are los
[17:48] <monolith> *lost
[17:48] <Mal__> i'm a gamer too and i was think of perfect config
[17:48] <tomreyn> arneis: the lvmetad message during boot is not an issue, i got the same on 16.04.1 and it still boots fine (also got dm-crypt here)
[17:49] <DexterF> monolith: understandable, but someone posting "bump" doesnt make me for one go back through all the backlog... quick one-liner?
[17:49] <monolith> Sure
[17:49] <monolith> Trying to restore time machine backups
[17:49] <Mal__> i thought well it would be steam os on 12.04 with i7 and like 4 GB memory
[17:49] <monolith> But all I can find refers to a backup format that was probably replaced
[17:50] <Mal__> and Nvidia graphics card
[17:50] <DexterF> monolith: time machine..? isn't that Apple..?
[17:50] <phenom> I'm scared if I update the ssd, I won't be able to go back to 14.04 if I can't figure this out. At least without more headaches.
[17:50] <monolith> Yeah
[17:50] <i11igalCode> scp gives me permission denied -> ssh key is located in root directory, how do i change it to /home/user/ ?
[17:50] <monolith> Sorry to use a stupid naming convention
[17:50] <phenom> Speaking of headaches: Got one.
[17:50] <jali_316> if it manipulates my sound card register how can I disable it.thanks
[17:50] <MrR00k> asd
[17:50] <phenom> Gotta go eat, thanks DexterF Mal__ .
[17:50] <Mal__> talk to you later
[17:51] <monolith> This page https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2193764 and others like it have instructions, but hey refer to a single directory that's in the .backup folder with al of the backup files
[17:51] <DexterF> monolith: and where is the Ubuntu Linux question behind this?
[17:51] <DexterF> monolith: ah ic
[17:51] <monolith> Using ubuntu linux, don't know where I would ask
[17:51] <arneis> tomreyn: ok... I'm at a loss then
[17:52] <monolith> All that I have int he directory, though, is a single folder labeled bands, filled with system files
[17:52] <monolith> So I was wondering whether anyone here knew of a new method of accessing the backups
[17:52] <monolith> Since I doubt that Apple invented whatever system it's currently using
[17:53] <i11igalCode> scp gives me permission denied -> ssh key is located in root directory, how do i change it to /home/user/ ?
[17:53] <DexterF> jali_316: look in the program's settings for sound settings, see if it offers to chose a sound device, maybe there a switch or so. don't know telegram in particular, sorry.
[17:53] <Mal__> apple uses a cloud solution for backups
[17:54] <monolith> Even with physical backup devices?
[17:54] <Mal__> your backups are sent to apples backup servers and stored there
[17:54] <Mal__> not sure if youve configured it some other way
[17:54] <Mal__> thats all i know lol
[17:55] <DexterF> need to cycle my router
[17:55] <monolith> Wow...  What's the point of the device, then?  What is it filled with?
[17:56] <Mal__> right monolith? lol accually keeping all your work in the cloud is a pretty good idea
[17:56] <monolith> Not mine
[17:56] <Mal__> try seeing if you can get backups from theyre backup service
[17:56] <monolith> I'm moving my mom to linux, and I used the time machine she bought as a way to mirgrate her files
[17:57] <tomreyn> arneis: i assume the script you used to use to open the encrypted devices is not compatible with how the initrd stuff now mounts things. probably the parameter to use a key file changed or something. if you can mount everyhting fine in a chroot and can update the initramfs there and make sure /etc/crypttab looks correct,  and maybe the scripts inside the intramfs you generated, too, then it should boot fine.
[17:57] <themusicgod1> I think I got it: moving ~/.config/dconf to a backup location stopped the logs
[17:57] <ktechmidas> having some issues with systemd... I've created a very simple unit file in /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants - how do I get systemd to pick it up?
[17:58] <zergut> how to check if package is available in repos?
[17:59] <themusicgod1> apt-cache policy <packagename>
[17:59] <themusicgod1> ?
[17:59] <tomreyn> arneis: but you have aenough complexity in place there that i don't feel like analyzing this further. i recommend getting paid support if you cannot work it out. or check with your local LUG.
[17:59] <Steve973> Hello.  The desktop download, even though it says to get 16.10, takes you to 16.4.1.  how do I get yakkety?
[18:00] <Mal__> Steve973: You need to download 16.10
[18:00] <Mal__> its just dev preview though i think
[18:00] <arneis> tomreyn: ok thanks for your help
[18:01] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[18:01] <Mal__> wasn't yakety dropped
[18:01] <Mal__> in favor of unity
[18:02] <Steve973> final release was 3 days ago for yakkety according to the wiki.
[18:02] <Mal__> hmm
[18:03] <Steve973> https://www.ubuntu.com/
[18:03] <Steve973> "Ubutntu 16.10 is here
[18:03] <Steve973> "
[18:03] <jali_316> sir I closed telegram then I wrote alsamixer in terminal and selected capture set it 40 went out alsamixer without openig any program it rised
[18:04] <kei> hello
[18:04] <Steve973> I found the link.  it must just not be updated on the download page.
[18:04] <Mal__> Steve973: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop scroll down to second frame is 16.10
[18:04] <ryan__> Anyone here have experience with systemd services?  I wrote one and I'm able to run it manually but I can't get it to run at boot.  It's enabled.
[18:04] <Steve973> Mal__: haha, good point.
[18:05] <Steve973> it'll be fun to try unity 8.
[18:05] <kei> i'w like to know can i formate my usb key in ubuntu os?
[18:05] <Steve973> and a 4.8 kernel.  awesome.
[18:06] <Steve973> I was loving elementaryos, but I don't know if I care about having an LTS install for my laptop.
[18:07] <kei> i get  ubuntu os version 14.02
[18:08] <Mal__> 14.04 is prolly most compatable with games and things like that
[18:08] <Mal__> if your not really attached to HAL go with 16.04.1
[18:09] <varaindemian> idk why but sometimes the raddiance theme gets automatically replaced by the default one after a period of time (after couple of reboots)(Ambiance). The font remains the same. Can someone help?
[18:11] <roland> surabaya
[18:12] <i11iga1Code> ssh tells me that it reads the ssh keys from /root/.ssh/ instead of /home/user/.ssh
[18:12] <i11iga1Code> how can i change that
[18:13] <tomreyn> i11iga1Code: dont run as root
[18:13] <i11iga1Code> ok
[18:13] <i11iga1Code> let me try
[18:15] <ivan> hi, how can I get `apt-get dist-upgrade` on xenial to not try to downgrade packages from a Pin-Priority: 1001 repo endlessly? https://gist.github.com/ivan/548924ff2c78cfffae22e04fa3102fc1
[18:15] <ivan> I think it is confused because the version numbers in both repositories are the same
[18:18] <i11iga1Code> scp: /home/user/znc-1.6.3.tar.gz: Permission denied
[18:18] <i11iga1Code> tomreyn
[18:19] <winsen> hi all, is it possible to  save configuration permanently within ubuntu live USB drive?
[18:20] <ivan> winsen: yeah, there's an option to do with with at least some of the tools for making a live usb drive
[18:20] <SchrodingersScat> !persistence | winsen
[18:20] <SchrodingersScat> that seems less relevant
[18:21] <ivan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[18:21] <tomreyn> i11iga1Code: yes?
[18:21] <i11iga1Code> scp: /home/user/znc-1.6.3.tar.gz: Permission denied
[18:22] <i11iga1Code> and this is the command i am trying to issue: scp -P port /home/user/znc-1.6.3.tar.gz user@ip:/home/user
[18:24] <tomreyn> i11iga1Code: so you are trying to copy a file which you do not have access to. this cannot work. either create a copy of this file (as root) which you do then have access to, or change the files' permissions.
[18:25] <winsen> hi all, is it possible to  save configuration permanently within ubuntu live USB drive?
[18:27] <wwandrew> winsen: i wish it was
[18:27] <i11iga1Code> tomreyn: i have permission for the file
[18:29] <skweek> why does networkmanager keep on crashing!!!!
[18:29] <kei> i want to get the microsoft application like ubuntu version
[18:29] <tomreyn> i11iga1Code: the error message you pasted states the opposite
[18:30] <tomreyn> winsen: you can install ubuntu to your usb drive instead.
[18:30] <kei> please somebody can tell me if there is
[18:30] <tomreyn> kei: i cannot parse your question.
[18:31] <winsen> SchrodingersScat: thanks
[18:31] <skweek> can anyone help me?
[18:31] <winsen> ivan: thanks
[18:31] <votlon> kei: for what?
[18:32] <winsen> tomreyn: it's another option thanks
[18:32] <tomreyn> skweek: not unless you provide a LOT more information.
[18:32] <kei> to use the word application
[18:32] <winsen> thanks all
[18:32] <skweek> can you tell me what to provide tomreyn?
[18:33] <tomreyn> !ask | kei
[18:33] <kei> or powerpoint
[18:33] <DieAMD> hi all. the link for the driver for RX480 is not working http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-GPU-PRO-Linux-Beta-Driver%E2%80%93Release-Notes.aspx
[18:33] <kei> ok
[18:33] <DieAMD> anyone knows where i can download the driver??
[18:34] <votlon> DieAMD: the server runs on windows, its hopeless!
[18:34] <skweek> Im not sure what information you require tomreyn
[18:34] <DieAMD> votlon: lol
[18:34] <skweek> do you know how to fix a problem like this?
[18:34] <skweek> if you don't know where to start then why would you address the problem
[18:34] <tomreyn> skweek: start with he ubuntu version you are using. then state whether it is all updated or not. then post the output of "dmesg" to a pastebin.
[18:34] <tomreyn> !pastebin | Swant
[18:35] <tomreyn> skweek: ^
[18:35] <tomreyn> sorry Swant
[18:35] <DieAMD> but seriously, is there any repository with amd drivers for ubuntu or something?
[18:35] <skweek> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23335179/ it is the most current and up to date version of 16.04
[18:36] <votlon> DieAMD: gpuopen.com is amd's new opensource site
[18:36] <DieAMD> votlon: thanks
[18:38] <kei> i'm looking for libreofficewriter for my ubuntu os!
[18:38] <SonikkuAmerica> kei: [ sudo apt install libreoffice ]
[18:39] <kei> ok tanks
[18:39] <SonikkuAmerica> kei: If it's "already the newest version", try searching "writer" in the Unity dash
[18:39] <votlon> SonikkuAmerica: 'apt-get install' ?
[18:39] <baizon> votlon: since 16.04 u can use apt
[18:39] <skweek> tomreyn: I dont really see any explanation there
[18:40] <SonikkuAmerica> votlon: apt-get still exists, but "apt" is a script that merges of many common APT commands.
[18:40] <Guest8> I have installed golang-1.7 using apt-get, when I call "go" it says "The program 'go' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
[18:40] <Guest8> sudo apt install golang-go" (which is golang 1.6)... how does this work? :(
[18:40] <kei> ok
[18:40] <tomreyn> skweek: me neither, network-manager does not seem to be vrashing. what makes you think it does?
[18:40] <votlon> SonikkuAmerica: is it bash an bash alias or actually built in now?
[18:40]  * Swant accepts apology tomreyn :)
[18:40] <skweek> tomreyn: it's been a few weeks since its been happening and after trying to find out why online and not finding anything i've been killing networkmanager processess and restarting network manager
[18:40] <votlon> is it a bash alias* xD
[18:40] <votlon> yay grammar
[18:40] <tomreyn> \o/
[18:40] <baizon> Guest8: install golang-1.7-go
[18:41] <Guest8> baizon: it is included in golang-1.7, I have tried, says it's already installed
[18:41] <jr3> so........ installing .debs doesn't even work on 16.04?
[18:41] <baizon> !root
[18:41] <jr3> what kinda fuck up is that
[18:41] <tomreyn> skweek: you also want to fix your file system on your MMC: [ 2689.390473] FAT-fs (mmcblk0p1): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck.
[18:41] <baizon> jr3: you can install debs
[18:42] <votlon> jr3: did you try 'dpkg -i something.deb' ?
[18:42] <skweek> tomreyn: how would I?
[18:42] <SonikkuAmerica> jr3: .deb packages work on Ubuntu, see votlon 's comment above.
[18:42] <jr3> I have yet to be able to do it, sure did then I run apt-get -f install and it shits unmet dependecies
[18:42] <baizon> jr3: your language please
[18:42] <SonikkuAmerica> votlon - see this /r/linux post by "chrisb8": https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/26q2sm/apt_vs_aptget/
[18:43] <votlon> SonikkuAmerica: ty
[18:43] <zergut> trying to customize livecd
[18:43] <tomreyn> skweek: sudo fsck /dev/mmcblk0p1
[18:43] <zergut> using ubuntu customization kit
[18:43] <zergut> have got error: Failed to merge X authorization file, error=126
[18:43] <zergut> dont know what to do
[18:43] <jr3> votlon I had to add amd64 architecture first
[18:44] <jr3> I still get issues with not resolving dependecies
[18:44] <jr3> Tried install GDebi from software center but the install button is bugged out.
[18:45] <votlon> so what are you trying to install?
[18:45] <jr3> google chrome, atom ide
[18:46] <SonikkuAmerica> jr3: try [ sudo apt -f install ] from the terminal
[18:46] <SonikkuAmerica> That will most certainly resolve Google Chrome's complaints.
[18:46] <SonikkuAmerica> Not sure about Atom IDE
[18:47] <skweek> tomreyn: thanks, I think that networkmanager crashes... because the wireless connection disconnects, there aren't any listed networks in the networkmanager gui, and killing and restarting processes ids that show up with ps aux | grep networkmanager and restarting the networkmanager reconnects to the wireless network
[18:47] <jr3> SonikkuAmerica: do you know how to clear held packages
[18:48] <SonikkuAmerica> jr3: [ sudo apt -f install ] will clear the held packages for you.
[18:48] <jr3> apt -f install is erroring with unmet dependecis from atom ide
[18:48] <jr3> im kinda stuck
[18:49] <tomreyn> skweek: maybe it's just the graphical interface which crashes. or the connection just fails? take a look at ~/.xession-errors, see if you find anything regarding network manager.
[18:49] <tomreyn> skweek: i'll need to leave it there, got to go.
[18:50] <younder> SonikkuAmerica, did you 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/atom' .. update .. install atom
[18:50] <votlon> younder: shouldn't need to, he is installing from .deb
[18:50] <SonikkuAmerica> What can I say? You can't be guaranteed that packages installed from PPAs will work.
[18:50] <SonikkuAmerica> !ppa | jr3 - younder
[18:51] <younder> Well that workd for me. And that solves the dependecy issues
[18:51] <jr3> @SonikkuAmerica https://gist.github.com/jreeter/9dc5d5881c4569428dcd3eec2bf889d4
[18:52] <jr3> I downloaded the .deb straight from the atom website no pm
[18:53] <SonikkuAmerica> jr3: I know for a fact that libgcrypt11 is deprecated, at least
[18:53] <muh2000> hi all
[18:54] <baizon> jr3: use this instead of downloading deb files https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/ubuntu/atom
[18:54] <muh2000> mumble & pulseaudio broke in 16.10 (yakkety)
[18:55] <votlon> jr3: but since ur having issues with atom try brackets ;)
[18:55] <SonikkuAmerica> muh2000: Release upgrade from 16.04.x?
[18:56] <muh2000> SonikkuAmerica: yes
[18:56] <SonikkuAmerica> muh2000: Did you, after upgrading to 16.10, run [ sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade ]?
[18:56] <muh2000> well pulseaudio itself works.  mumble cannot output to pulseaudio anymore
[18:57] <muh2000> SonikkuAmerica: only thing that is offered is autoremove...
[18:57] <SonikkuAmerica> Other than that, it threw 0,0,0,0?
[18:58] <muh2000>  »apt autoremove«,
[18:58] <SonikkuAmerica> muh2000: ^ if above, purge and reinstall Mumble
[18:58] <jeffrey_f> I have a usb disk that mounts under /media/<myuser>/DiskName.  Right now it is mounted under /media/<otheruser>/DiskName.  How do I unmount it and put it back under my user??
[18:59] <EriC^^> jeffrey_f: sudo umount /media/...
[18:59] <V7> Correct me if I tell you the wrong thing ... Is the Debian Standard iso the easiest os of linux which includes dd ?
[19:00] <muh2000> SonikkuAmerica:    no success purging...
[19:04] <ryan-c> ubuntu 16.04 doesn't seem to support the 'vim' command, what's going on?
[19:04] <vbgunz> ryan install vim?
[19:04] <V7> I'm about LOW WEIGHT ))
[19:04] <vbgunz> vim doesn't come in by default
[19:04] <V7> vbgunz: bad one :(
[19:05] <kisb> sudo apt install vim
[19:05] <ryan-c> vim is not an installable package
[19:05] <vbgunz> ryan-c: apt-cache search vim
[19:05] <vbgunz> try that and see what comes back
[19:05] <ryan-c> "Package vim is not available, but is referred to by another package."
[19:06] <V7> ryan-c: Which package ?
[19:06] <ryan-c> vim
[19:06] <baizon> !info vim
[19:06] <kisb> really?
[19:06] <ryan-c> apt-cache search vim shows 'vim-tiny' 'vim-common' and 'vim-haproxy'
[19:07] <ioria> ryan-c, apt-cache policy vim
[19:07] <V7> ryan-c: I'm about which package it suggests you
[19:07] <ryan-c> apt-cache policy vim: vim: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none)
[19:08] <ioria> odd
[19:08] <ryan-c> this is a fresh install of 16.04.1 server
[19:08] <kisb> maybe in your system the repos are messed up ryan-c
[19:08] <ioria> ryan-c, can you paste it ?
[19:08] <ryan-c> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23335347/
[19:09] <ryan-c> yeah, so it looks like I only have the security repos enabled
[19:09] <jeffrey_f> Thanks EriC^^
[19:09] <ryan-c> what the hell?
[19:09] <EriC^^> jeffrey_f: no problem
[19:09] <ioria> ryan-c,   cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:10] <ryan-c> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23335353/ < yes, i know that this is totally broken.
[19:10] <ryan-c> anyone have what's supposed to be there?
[19:11] <ioria> ryan-c,   cat /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
[19:11] <jeffrey_f> EriC^^: How would I make it so that this particular disk is only mounted under a cerain folder?
[19:12] <ryan-c> Have no idea how the hell that happened
[19:12] <Seveas> ryan-c: https://dpaste.de/cMcO
[19:12] <EriC^^> jeffrey_f: you can add it to /etc/fstab or use gvfs-mount (the mounting that the file manager uses) in a startup app
[19:13] <vbgunz> fellas, I have a wireless card that a long time ago worked perfectly. now it's so slow, it reminds me of a 56k modem. it's a pain to work with it directly and it's dreaful over SSH. This is what lspci shows for it "Network controller: Ralink corp. RT3062 Wireless 802.11n 2T/2R" ... this used to be amazingly fast, now it's poop :(
[19:13] <ryan-c> so strange, this is about the eleventy-billionth time I've installed ubuntu
[19:13] <jeffrey_f> Thanks.  EriC^^
[19:13] <EriC^^> np
[19:13] <V7> EriC^^: guru
[19:13] <ryan-c> ... is someone ddosing the security repo? It's super slow.
[19:13] <EriC^^> xD
[19:14] <ioria> ryan-c,   maybe it's better you replace your sources.list
[19:14] <ryan-c> I fixed it
[19:14] <ioria> ryan-c,   ok
[19:14] <ryan-c> stuff was just downloading really slow from the security repo
[19:15] <ryan-c> ctrl-c'd and re-ran and now it's still slow, but at least reasonable
[19:17] <ryan__> anyone know why a systemd service can run manually but not automatically at boot.  it's already enabled.
[19:17] <ryan__> I don't see anything about it in journalctl
[19:17] <ryan-c> maybe my isp is crapping itself
[19:20] <freddish> My system crashed again, where can i see what went wrong.
[19:20] <ryan-c> my isp is definitely crapping itself
[19:20] <lordcirth> freddish, /var/log/syslog
[19:20] <freddish> lordcirth, i dont understand annything from that logfile :P
[19:20] <lordcirth> ryan__, usually because a dependency wasn't working
[19:21] <dreais_> hi
[19:21] <ryan__> lordcirth, thanks.  I didn't think about it, but I have a mysql dependency that's probably the problem
[19:21] <dreais_> is there someone good with raspberry pi ?
[19:22] <dreais_> and raspbian
[19:22] <lordcirth> dreais_, this is #ubuntu
[19:22] <dreais_> heh
[19:22] <bekks> dreais_: The guys and girls in #raspbian, yes :)
[19:22] <dreais_> is there a channel raspbian ?
[19:22] <dreais_> didnt know
[19:22] <freddish> lordcirth, is there anywhere else i can look? so i might understand something ?
[19:22] <bekks> !alis | dreais_
[19:23] -cheeeeeeeeeeeese:#ubuntu- i like #cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese
[19:23] <dreais_> ty
[19:24] <V7> wow
[19:24] <V7> What was that ?
[19:25] <ryan-c> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23335412/ < anyone know how to fix that?
[19:25] <lordcirth> ryan-c, apt -f install vim
[19:25] <ryan-c> lordcirth: does not work
[19:26] <ryan-c> same error message
[19:26] <lordcirth> ryan-c, can you update?
[19:26] <ryan-c> as in `apt-get update`? I just did.
[19:27] <lordcirth> ryan-c, as in apt-get upgrade
[19:27] <ryan-c> i also just did that
[19:27] <lordcirth> ryan-c, did it work?
[19:27] <ryan-c> no
[19:27] <ryan-c> nothing to upgrade
[19:28] <AlexanderMP> have you tried `apt-get install vim-common`?
[19:28] <ryan-c> yes, it tells me i already have the latest version
[19:29] <AlexanderMP> are you using 16.04 or have you upgraded to 16.10?
[19:29] <ryan-c> 16.04.1
[19:29] <ryan-c> it's a server
[19:29] <Flannel> ryan-c: can you please pastebin the output of `apt-cache policy vim vim-common vim-runtime`
[19:29] <ryan-c> I'm pretty sure the issue is that I need to add a repo for updates
[19:30] <bekks> ryan-c: Why are you unconfident with the version in the repos which is already installed?
[19:30] <kisb> yes you do that Mr ryan-c
[19:30] <cheeeeeeeeeeeese> ryan-c: its easy to fix.  Open your CD drive, insert a slice of cheeeeeeeeese, and then run the command lordcirth said.
[19:31] <yura> Hello World!
[19:31] <Guest7018> Hello World!
[19:31] <ryan-c> yeah, i just added a xenial-updates source to /etc/apt/sources.list and now things seem to be behaving
[19:35] <lemon_> hi all
[19:37] <k0d3g3ar> i love linux
[19:39] <theShirbiny> k0d3g3ar, I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
[19:47] <vbgunz> when I said slow internet, i'm not kidding http://imgur.com/a/y40qd
[19:48] <neredsenvy> Has HiDPI support been fixed yet in the latest version ?
[19:48] <UrsaTempest> Hmm. I'm not entirely certain where to put this, but Clementine changed language to Malay, and it refused to change back to English after I changed the Region to US and top preferred language is English. Any idea how to fix this?
[19:49] <vbgunz> does anyone have a clue as to why it's so slow? about 2 years back, this was an 80Mbps down card. I was ridiculously impressed by it. For a while now, it's just a horrible experience. Anyone have an idea?
[19:50] <theShirbiny> vbgunz, only on ubuntu?
[19:52] <vbgunz> about 2 years back I think I was on Fedora 21-22 on that machine and wifi was amazing. I passed that machine onto my kid and nothing but wifi problems for the longest time. today I just realized how slow it is, holy cow. Ubuntu on that machine is as old as 16.04 is.
[19:54] <OverCoder> What's a good code editor?
[19:54] <AlexanderMP> Atom
[19:54] <vbgunz> depends on the code
[19:54] <OverCoder> Sublime Text is nice but it doesn't really go great with multiple files in multiple folders and stuff
[19:54] <OverCoder> hm
[19:54]  * OverCoder installs Atom
[19:54] <OverCoder> vbgunz: PHP
[19:54] <OverCoder> including HTML and CSS
[19:54] <kk4ewt> bluefish
[19:55] <OerHeks> !ide
[19:55] <theShirbiny> vbgunz, Can you boot from any other live distro and make sure it's an ubuntu problem? you also can run dmesg and connect/disconnect and look for any errors
[19:55] <SchrodingersScat> !info nano
[19:55] <AlexanderMP> OverCoder: actually Submile is excellent with multiple files and stuff. You just need to learn the key combinations to navigate efficiently
[19:55] <k0d3g3ar> :OverCoder:  Try Netbeans.  I use it all the time for PHP work
[19:56] <AlexanderMP> its limitations are where you want code analysis
[19:56] <k0d3g3ar> OverCoder:  just make sure you install xDebug so you can trace debug or work
[19:56] <OverCoder> hm, thanks all
[19:56] <AlexanderMP> and if you get there, nothing beats what JetBrains are doing, but it can be expensive
[19:56] <OverCoder> k0d3g3ar: yeah I installed xdebug already
[19:56] <OverCoder> AlexanderMP: though I've been using Sublime Text for 2 years :p
[19:56] <OverCoder> It's just cumbersome
[19:56] <AlexanderMP> oh. Then PhpStorm I guess
[19:56] <k0d3g3ar> OverCooder:  Then make sure your editor supports it.  Either Eclipse or Netbeans will
[19:56] <OverCoder> Yeah PHPStorm is certainly the best hting ever, but eh, paid
[19:57] <OverCoder> I don't like both
[19:57] <OverCoder> They're so heavy
[19:57] <OverCoder> I just saw Atom, I think it's pretty good
[19:57] <k0d3g3ar> OverCoder:  yes, but that's why they are heavy.  All the extra bits that you start to rely on
[19:57] <OverCoder> ikr
[19:57] <OverCoder> but meh, I still refuse
[19:57] <OverCoder> I am happy with something simple
[19:58] <k0d3g3ar> then vim
[19:58] <vbgunz> theShirbiny: thats an idea
[19:59] <ppf_> arneis: did you figure it out?
[19:59] <OverCoder> ew vim
[19:59] <OverCoder> It's only useful when you're in SSH
[19:59] <AlexanderMP> ikr
[19:59] <lordcirth> vim is a pretty solid IDE
[20:00] <ppf_> please let's not go there
[20:00] <lordcirth> But it only does so much, within tons of plugins anyway
[20:00] <lordcirth> without* but yeah this is offtopic
[20:00] <OverCoder> It isn't offtopic
[20:00] <OverCoder> It's discussing coding in Ubuntu
[20:02] <ppf_> OverCoder: i don't care too muchabout on-topicness really, but the vim/emacs war is tedious :)
[20:02] <ppf_> questions like 'what's the best tool for X' are also really boring. they're all good, just pick one :)
[20:03] <lordcirth> Indeed it is
[20:03] <OverCoder> ppf_: We're not going war anywhere
[20:03] <AlexanderMP> yeah, can we just all agree that they both suck?
[20:03] <OverCoder> I didn't even bother to discuss farther about vim
[20:03] <OverCoder> AlexanderMP++
[20:03] <Arrick> good afternoon all...
[20:03] <OverCoder> hi Arrick
[20:04] <ppf_> no need to get defensive, it's just a matter of taste, that's all i'm saying
[20:04] <Arrick> I have an HP z200 SFF, with an intel processor... I would like to install the latest ubuntu desktop that will work in the intel platform... after clicking on "download" in the ubuntu.com site, I get an iso named: ubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[20:04] <SuperSeriousCat> Non stop vim war here today :p
[20:05] <Arrick> is that the right iso file, or do I need to download another one?
[20:05] <bekks> Arrick: thats the correct one.
[20:05] <Arrick> ok, just making sure... that amd part scared me
[20:05] <AlexanderMP> but just FYI, there's already 16.10
[20:05] <\9> Arrick: "amd64" refers to 64-bit architechture. it's named after amd since they came up with it
[20:05] <bekks> Arrick: the 64bit technology used by Intel is licensed from AMD.
[20:05] <lordcirth> Arrick, amd64 just means x86 arch, 64bit.  AMD invented it.  Intel uses it too
[20:05] <ppf_> and intel is still pissed about that :d
[20:06] <Arrick> ok
[20:06] <lordcirth> Im sure they are
[20:06] <Arrick> ok... is 16.10 stable?
[20:06] <\9> 16.10 is the latest stable, yes
[20:06] <Arrick> why doesnt the site have that as the default then?
[20:06] <\9> 16.04 is LTS and probably more stable than 16.10
[20:06] <bekks> Arrick: But keep in mind that 16.04 is a LTS version receiving support for 5 years, while the support for 16.10 ends in 9 months.
[20:07] <AlexanderMP> I'm on it right now. Works pretty well, aside from it forcing me to use Ubuntu SSO when installing some apps from the software center
[20:07] <Arrick> you go https://www.ubuntu.com/download and click download, it has
[20:07] <Arrick> sorry
[20:07] <Arrick> thanks, I would rather have the LTS than cutting edge, lol
[20:07] <\9> it isn't cutting edge, per se
[20:07] <lordcirth> Arrick, if you want to install and just use it, 16.04.  If you want to keep updating, you use 16.10
[20:07] <lordcirth> Personally I use LTS for everything
[20:08] <Arrick> thats what i dont want to do, I'm setting it up for my 5 year old daughter and her "learning stuff"
[20:08] <\9> then you'll probably want the LTS
[20:08] <AlexanderMP> yep, LTS, maybe Edubuntu if that's still a thing
[20:09] <Arrick> no, not a fan of edubuntu itself
[20:09] <Arrick> the kindergarden class has online "jump start" and a few others, etvc
[20:11] <Arrick> FYI, Im blowing away windows 10, lol
[20:11] <lordcirth> Arrick, you could optionally consider installing using btrfs so you can snapshot and un-break things.
[20:11] <Arrick> whats that?
[20:11] <colby> hey guys, wondering if I could get a little help with installing ubuntu on a particular machine. Been at it for like 7 hours to no avail :/
[20:11] <ppf_> it's an advanced filesystem
[20:11] <Arrick> ahh
[20:11] <ppf_> Arrick: ^
[20:11] <AlexanderMP> or dual boot, just so you don't lose the Windows license
[20:12] <lordcirth> Arrick, a filesystem that lets you take snapshots and roll back to them, among other things
[20:12] <Arrick> nah, I have an image of the os
[20:12] <ppf_> colby: sure, what's the issue
[20:12] <lordcirth> Arrick, excellent, was about to suggest imaging windows somewhere
[20:12] <colby> Trying to get ubuntu to replace windows 8 on an acer inspire v5, but no matter what I do It will not detect the usb in the boot menu
[20:12] <Arrick> yeah, I've been down this road lol...
[20:12] <ppf_> Arrick: with btrfs you can undo any changes on disk unto a certain point in time
[20:12] <colby> I have disabled and enabled secure boot. tried euif and legacy, I have tried universal usb and ubutin or what ever that other one is.
[20:13] <colby> And no matter what it will not detect it.
[20:13] <AlexanderMP> colby: how did you create the flash drive?
[20:13] <lordcirth> Arrick, ppf_, assuming, of course, that you don't totally break the filesystem :P
[20:13] <bekks> colby: Can you get into the bios of that thing?
[20:14] <AlexanderMP> because I had the exact same problem today when I used LiLi on Windows to do that. Worked fine when I did it from Ubuntu
[20:14] <Arrick> lord4163_, the last time I install nix on something, the hard drive went bad a few months later... they said my os was the issue, it wasnt made for the device.. LOL
[20:14] <colby> @alax, I have tried universal usb amd unetbooten @ bekks yes, thats how I enabled the f12 boot menu. I also have tried moving usb HDD up in prioirty
[20:14] <Arrick> ok, bbl after I manage to break it.
[20:15] <colby> I can see the files in windows explorer but no matter what I cant get it to show in the boot menu. Been at this for HOURS. I just want to replace windows 7. this is my spare machine and I need a portable machine for a course with it.
[20:16] <lordcirth> colby, does the machine have a CD drive?  Might be easiest to just make a CD
[20:16] <AlexanderMP> Try to boot from this flash drive without EFI (disable EFI)
[20:16] <lordcirth> Some laptops have weird problems booting from USB
[20:16] <colby> @lordcirth No. sadly
[20:16] <colby> and I do not have access to a plug in cd drive sadly.
[20:17] <ppf_> i've had really bad experiences with creating boot usb drives in windows
[20:17] <colby> My main gaming laptop does but last time I tried setting up a duel boot on  a windows 10 pc it gave me a lot of issues with windows boot loader and GRUB. so I rather just turn this laptop into a linux machine. I did it once years ago with WUBI but that doesnt exist anymore.
[20:18] <colby> I had to revert it for reasons a year ago and now I want to perm. put it back
[20:18] <lordcirth> colby, you verified the ISO hash?
[20:19] <colby> I have not.. though I have tried redownloading the iso and putting it onto the usb 4 seperate times.
[20:22] <colby> any ideas?
[20:23] <ppf_> verify the iso, just to be save
[20:24] <dbz2k> does anyone know how to fix the network manager bug?
[20:24] <bencc> if I want to spread the disk load between two hdd drives, raid0 is my only option?
[20:25] <bencc> I have to set it up during installation?
[20:25] <jr3> @SonikkuAmerica https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1573206
[20:25] <dbz2k> I still have this problem where it thinks my wifi network is an Ethernet connection
[20:25] <Random832> dbz2k: well, it is. wifi is "wireless ethernet"
[20:26] <Random832> or are you talking about something beyond that
[20:27] <dbz2k> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1574347
[20:27] <dbz2k> It never worked for me
[20:27] <ppf_> bencc: raid0 does striping of your data
[20:28] <winsen> hi all,  is sda1= sda?
[20:28] <ppf_> if that's what you mean by spreading the load
[20:28] <ppf_> winsen: no
[20:28] <lordcirth> winsen, no, sda1 is the first partition on sda
[20:28] <ppf_> sda1 in the first partition on the drive sda
[20:29] <bencc> ppf_: I want to double the speed of my drives. stripping is good. any other option?
[20:29] <\9> winsen: sda represents the whole drive
[20:29] <ppf_> bencc: mirroring
[20:29] <votlon> bencc: you have hardware raid?
[20:29] <lordcirth> bencc, there's also btrfs or zfs raid0
[20:30] <lordcirth> bencc, but generally, yeah.  Note that raid0 will improve sequential speeds, but it wont help seek times
[20:30] <bencc> votlon: software raid.
[20:31] <lordcirth> bencc, are the drives identical?
[20:31] <bencc> lordcirth: I think my issue is with sequential read/write like downloading/uploading big files or transcoding
[20:31] <bencc> lordcirth: yes
[20:31] <bencc> lordcirth: I can setup raid-0 only during installation?
[20:31] <lordcirth> bencc, then raid0 is good.  However, note that you'll have no redundancy and twice the chance of a failure
[20:31] <votlon> bencc: hardware raid has a dramatic difference compared to software, might be worth the investment
[20:32] <votlon> bencc: also cost effect because ur not buying new drives :)
[20:32] <ppf_> bencc: not neccessarily, you can set up btrfs (with some pain) afterwards
[20:32] <winsen> thanks. can you please tell me how can I know if I have boot partition?
[20:32] <bencc> ppf_: so if I have ubuntu installed on sda I can setup btrfs on both drives after that?
[20:33] <ppf_> votlon: yes, hardware raid might be a bit faster. but it's very expensive, and if the controller breaks, your data is gone
[20:33] <lordcirth> winsen, 'df -h'
[20:33] <bencc> votlon: that's dedicated hosting. I don't have a choice between hardware/software raid
[20:33] <ppf_> bencc: what's your intended setup?
[20:33] <lordcirth> bencc, yeah, if you do btrfs, you install normally on sda, then add sdb after
[20:33] <colby> screw it I give up. Is it difficult to set up a dual boot on a new laptop with windows 10?
[20:33] <bencc> votlon: I think the bios has raid but still software. makes sense?
[20:33] <votlon> ppf_: Dell raids and very easy/cheap/reliable, and they come with linux based recovery software :)
[20:33] <ppf_> two disks in total?
[20:33] <votlon> dell raids are*
[20:33] <ppf_> colby: no
[20:34] <leonel> hellouuu
[20:34] <bencc> ppf_: I'm running several transcoding jobs in docker containers. I think that disk becomes bottleneck
[20:34] <bencc> ppf_: so I want to double the speed
[20:34] <colby> Alright. I tried doing with my windows 10 desktop and it was bad. GRUB wouldnt work, and it would blue screen the windows bootloader..
[20:34] <colby> hopefully this laptop will go better.
[20:34] <winsen> lordcirth: whta should I read?
[20:34] <bencc> ppf_: yes. 2x2TB disks
[20:34] <ppf_> okay. you've already installed ubuntu on one disk?
[20:35] <bencc> lordcirth: btrfs will replace the filesystem or is additional file system?
[20:35] <bencc> ppf_: yes
[20:35] <lordcirth> winsen, df -h will show all mounted partitions.  So, if you have a separate boot partition, you should see /boot
[20:35] <ppf_> bencc: replace it
[20:35] <lordcirth> bencc, if you install onto btrfs root, replace it
[20:35] <lordcirth> You can also make a separate one, if you like, but I don't see why
[20:35] <bencc> ppf_: that's remote dedicated server hosting. I can't replace drives
[20:35] <winsen> lordcirth: ok so I didn't find it.
[20:35] <winsen>  I 'd like to install the grub but I wonder if sda is correct or not: https://paste.debian.net/881439/
[20:35] <ppf_> bencc: replace the filesystem
[20:35] <bencc> ppf_: how?
[20:35] <ppf_> bencc: i was answering your question to lordcirth
[20:36] <bencc> ok
[20:36] <ppf_> what fs did you use for your ubuntu installation?
[20:36] <winsen> lordcirth: https://paste.debian.net/881619/
[20:36] <lordcirth> winsen, grub should go on whatever hard drive your BIOS is set to boot from
[20:37] <ppf_> what you can do is format the second drive as btrfs, remount your root as ro and dd everything over, then add the first disk as a striping disk to the second
[20:37] <lordcirth> winsen, you're still on the CD?
[20:37] <ppf_> or reinstall, and choose btrfs right up front
[20:37] <bencc> ppf_: authomatic provisioning of the service provider http://wiki.dacentec.com/index.php?title=Provisioning_System
[20:37] <lordcirth> reinstalling sounds much easier
[20:38] <bencc> lordcirth: raid0 requires kvm which is a pain...
[20:38] <ppf_> and it's probably faster,too :)
[20:39] <ppf_> bencc: hardware raid, yes
[20:39] <ppf_> software raid, no
[20:39] <ppf_> (assuming we're talking about real disks here?)
[20:39] <ppf_> or is your dedicated server virtualized?
[20:39] <lordcirth> bencc, is this a VPS?
[20:39] <bencc> ppf_: yes. real hdd disks
[20:39] <bencc> ppf_: real dedicated hardware.
[20:39] <bencc> ppf_: raid-0 requires installation from scratch, isn't it?
[20:40] <ppf_> as i said above
[20:40] <ppf_> you can set a btrfs raid0 during installation
[20:40] <ppf_> you can also do it later, but it's a bit involved
[20:40] <bencc> ppf_: ok, during installation. but I can't install manually without kvm
[20:40] <bencc> ppf_: ok
[20:40] <lordcirth> bencc, so you only have ssh, or what?
[20:41] <bencc> lordcirth: ssh, automatic provisioning of several basic profiles and kvm
[20:41] <lordcirth> bencc, and why is kvm a pain?
[20:42] <bencc> lordcirth: requires java
[20:42] <lordcirth> bencc, ah, one of those
[20:42] <bencc> lordcirth: last time I used it, it took me several hours to setup with trial and error
[20:44] <lordcirth> bencc, so you can't supply your own preseed file, either?
[20:44] <winsen__> any clue guys?
[20:44] <winsen__> sorry I was disconetcted
[20:44] <lordcirth> bencc, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Convert_a_single_drive_system_to_RAID
[20:45] <lordcirth> winsen__, to be clear, you want to know which drive to install Grub to?
[20:46] <bencc> lordcirth: that's raid 1, not raid 0
[20:46] <lordcirth> bencc, ah, sorry
[20:46] <lordcirth> Yeah you can't convert to striping in-place
[20:46] <enrico_> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[20:47] <lordcirth> At a block level
[20:47] <lordcirth> btrfs can, though
[20:47] <lordcirth> bencc, you might be able to make a btrfs filesystem on sdb, then debootstrap an Ubuntu install into it?
[20:47] <bencc> lordcirth: maybe. don't know how
[20:47] <bencc> lordcirth: maybe this guide will help me. I only need docker: https://docs.docker.com/engine/userguide/storagedriver/btrfs-driver/
[20:48] <winsen__> lordcirth: right that's I want to know.
[20:48] <i11iga1Code> how do i save commands used in terminal?
[20:48] <kisb> they are saved. check history
[20:48] <lordcirth> bencc, actually, didn't you say you just wanted the transcoding to be fast?
[20:49] <lordcirth> bencc, you don't need the whole root in raid1
[20:49] <winsen__> any clue guys?
[20:49] <bencc> lordcirth: right. just make docker container spread the load across the two drives
[20:49] <lordcirth> winsen__, you have a hard drive, sda, and the USB, sdb.  Why wouldn't you want it on the hard drive?
[20:50] <lordcirth> bencc, right, so you can shrink your / to make room on sda, then make a btrfs raid1 across the 2 drives
[20:50] <bencc> lordcirth: cool. I'll try it
[20:51] <bencc> lordcirth: raid0 not raid 1 :)
[20:51] <lordcirth> right, typo
[20:51] <lordcirth> people don't do raid0 very often
[20:51] <winsen__> lordcirth: sure I want it on the hard drive. but I want to know on wich partition should I istall it?
[20:52] <bencc> lordcirth: I need raid0...
[20:52] <winsen__> *install
[20:52] <lordcirth> winsen__, you don't put Grub on a partition, it installs itself to the beginning of the drive
[20:52] <bencc> lordcirth: don't care about reliability
[20:52] <lordcirth> winsen__, so just /dev/sda
[20:53] <john38> Hello can sombody please tell me how i found out which driver is my pci-express usb card using??
[20:54] <winsen__> lordcirth: that's what i did but it doesn't work correctly. I can boot on my linux partition
[20:54] <lordcirth> winsen__, can or cant?
[20:54] <winsen__> lordcirth: sorry I mean *i can not
[20:55] <lordcirth> winsen__, well, what happens when you try?
[20:55] <Guy1524> hey guys, in ubuntu 16.04, how do I change the interval of volume switching when using the volume buttons on my keyboard
[20:55] <Guy1524> I want it more like windows where it modifies by 2% each press
[20:56] <john38> Hello can sombody please tell me how i found out which driver is my pci-express usb card using??
[20:56] <tomreyn> john38: it's either pci-express or usb, not both. unless you mean a usb (root) hub plugged into a pci-express slot
[20:56] <john38> yes that
[20:56] <tomreyn> sudo lspci -knnv
[20:56] <tomreyn> !pastebin
[20:58] <winsen__> lordcirth: it shows the grub in very basic "debian first, second win7, when I try to boot on debian it doesn't. it founds errors trying to correct them but unfortunetely it can not. So itcan not  boot on it.
[20:58] <john38> tomreyn, how do i pastebin again
[20:58] <tomreyn> john38: see what ubottu wrote
[20:58] <lordcirth> winsen__, well, you'll need to tell us what these errors are
[20:59] <john38> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23335802/
[20:59] <winsen__> lordcirth: I need to write them down because there are few. Are you sure that sda would be the correct place where I'd install the Grub?
[21:00] <lordcirth> winsen__, where else?  It's the only hard drive.
[21:00] <lordcirth> winsen__, by the way, if you don't know about Grub, why are you doing the manual install?  Did the automatic one not work for you?
[21:00] <hamsterpower> hello, I was following the guide to install OpenCV. I couldn't compile c++ snippet in section "Loading an image file in C++"
[21:00] <winsen__> lordcirth: I wonder if sda3 is not my old boot partition, did you take a look?
[21:01] <hamsterpower> the link to guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenCV
[21:01] <lordcirth> winsen__, why would it matter?  The installer should configure grub to point to the new Ubuntu install.
[21:01] <winsen__> lordcirth: https://paste.debian.net/881439/
[21:02] <lordcirth> winsen__, oh, you are chrooting in to fix it?
[21:02] <tomreyn> john38 you have multiple controllers, most of them are probably onboard. the one you are looking for may be this one: 02:00.0 USB controller [0c03]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VL805 USB 3.0 Host Controller [1106:3483] (rev 01) (prog-if 30 [XHCI])
[21:02] <lordcirth> winsen__, then go read your chroot's /etc/fstab to find out where /boot is
[21:02] <winsen__> lordcirth: do you mean even though it should work because sda is by default where Grub would be installed?
[21:02] <tomreyn> john38: its driver is xhci_hcd
[21:02] <tomreyn> (a generic driver)
[21:03] <lordcirth> winsen__, grub needs to install to sda, certainly.  But it points to your kernel in /boot.    That should be able to wait.
[21:04] <john38> tomreyn, thanks
[21:04] <yancho> hi guys. anyone can offer some tips as to why I'm getting this pls? Err:4 http://mt.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/main amd64 udev amd64 229-4ubuntu11   Hash Sum mismatch
[21:05] <lordcirth> yancho, when doing what? apt upgrade?
[21:05] <tomreyn> john38: search the output you posted for "USB" and you will find out which USB controllers you have, iuncluding their drivers
[21:05] <yancho> lordcirth: yes - even upgrade
[21:05] <yancho> even update i meant*
[21:05] <john38> tomreyn, im looking for a windows 7 equivalent
[21:05] <tomreyn> john38: this wont help.
[21:06] <tomreyn> john38: i parsed your statement as: i am lookking for a driver for windows 7 by revieing the drivers linux uses.
[21:07] <winsen__> lordcirth:"So if you run grub-install without /boot mounted, it's not going to work? what is the command line to mount the /boot in my case?
[21:07] <ppf_> mount your boot partition to /boot
[21:08] <ppf_> whichever that is
[21:08] <tomreyn> yancho: sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/*; sudo apt-get update
[21:08] <winsen__> lordcirth: should I type sudo mount /dev/sda /mnt before command line "grub-install /dev/sda"?
[21:08] <ppf_> no
[21:09] <winsen__> I am not sure that make sense for me either
[21:09] <ppf_> when installing the system, did you pick a partition for /boot?
[21:09] <winsen__> ppf: what do you mean?
[21:10] <ppf_> precisely what i said
[21:10] <winsen__> ppf: did I create boot partition?
[21:10] <ppf_> during install you can choose to create a dedicated /boot partition
[21:10] <ppf_> or to not d oso
[21:10] <tomreyn> only in manual partitioning though, isnt it
[21:11] <tomreyn> so unless s/he knows what it is, probably not.
[21:11] <ppf_> yeah
[21:11] <winsen__> ppf: I thought I did but as you can see here it is not: https://paste.debian.net/881619/
[21:12] <ppf_> winsen__: ls /boot
[21:13] <giovoni> hard to read this channel's log with so many people join and leaving
[21:13] <winsen__> ppf: https://paste.debian.net/881700/
[21:13] <giovoni> the other day I read about some type of irc filter
[21:13] <nicomachus> giovoni: /ignore -channel #ubuntu * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS
[21:13] <giovoni> does anyone know how to do it
[21:14] <john38> tomreyn, hey tom you think you could tell me which driver on this page you think could be it
[21:14] <akik> !quietirc | giovoni
[21:14] <winsen__> ppf: I am on ubuntu live usb. I that's what it shows right?
[21:14] <john38> tomreyn, http://www.via-labs.com/driver.php
[21:14] <giovoni> ok... i just ran it. hopefully i can read better now
[21:14] <giovoni> thank you ubotu
[21:15] <nicomachus> giovoni: you should see a confirmation message.
[21:16] <giovoni> yea i ran it wrong
[21:16] <ppf_> winsen__: mount
[21:16] <giovoni> looking at that link to see how to run it properly
[21:16] <Arrick> can someone point me to a tutorial on manually (and permanently) changing my screen resolution? My native resolution on my monitor is 1680x1024, and the os only sees 1024x768
[21:16] <newshound68> having problems with wifi set up on pi2
[21:16] <winsen__> ppf, lordcirth, anyway thanks. I'll see later. good night
[21:16] <nicomachus> Arrick: you'll wanna use xrander
[21:16] <nicomachus> errr... xrandr
[21:16] <winsen__> ppf: sorry?
[21:17] <nicomachus> Arrick: see here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[21:17] <winsen__> ppf: https://paste.debian.net/881711/
[21:19] <ppf_> then no, that's the live system's boot you pasted earlier
[21:19] <john38> tomreyn, ..??
[21:21] <winsen__> ppf: that's what I told you. at the moment I am runing ubluntu live cd
[21:21] <winsen__> good night all
[21:25] <i11iga1Code> how do i save commands used in terminal to .bash_history?
[21:25] <nicomachus> i11iga1Code: already done.
[21:25] <nicomachus> should be, at least.
[21:26] <i11iga1Code> its not
[21:27] <lordcirth> i11iga1Code, if you put a space before a command, it does not save.
[21:27] <i11iga1Code> lol
[21:27] <lordcirth> And sometimes if you had multiple terminals open, only one will save.
[21:27] <i11iga1Code> not the problem here pal
[21:27] <vbgunz> fellas, I came here earlier with wifi problems. fast.com showed a 2.6Kbps connection. I agree, it's ridiculous. the wifi also disconnect rampantly. I just tried the neon distro from a usb stick and I get on average 20Mpbs. That's cool. Anyone have an idea how to fix the wifi on Ubuntu?
[21:27] <akik> i11iga1Code: they will be saved there when you close bash
[21:27] <nicomachus> i11iga1Code: you can also clear it by writing cat /dev/null > ~/.bash_history Any chance you did that?
[21:28] <ppf_> i11iga1Code: set -o | grep history
[21:28] <lordcirth> vbgunz, find out what driver neon used, then install it on Ubuntu.
[21:28] <tokitok> hey, anyone here who knows the difference between "join channel" and "auto-join channel" in HexChat. I'm a first-timer on IRC today..thanx.
[21:29] <ppf_> printf "${HISTFILE}\n${HISTSIZE}\n${HISTFILESIZE}\n"
[21:29] <nicomachus> tokitok: join is to join it on command. auto-join will join it everytime you open hexchat.
[21:29] <tokitok> ok Thanx m8!
[21:30] <ppf_> i11iga1Code: if that first command says 'off', enable it with set -o history
[21:30] <nicomachus> tokitok: no problem. /join #hexchat if you have any other questions.
[21:30] <i11iga1Code> permission problem :P
[21:31] <ppf_> i11iga1Code: what
[21:31] <i11iga1Code> had to chown the whole folder :)
[21:32] <i11iga1Code> or just the file
[21:32] <i11iga1Code> [fixed]
[21:32] <ppf_> !next
[21:32] <i11iga1Code> hdhd
[21:32] <i11iga1Code> hehe
[21:32] <nicomachus> !yay
[21:33] <bekks> Does someone in here familiar with OpenStack mind to answer me a few question in a query? I'm unfamiliar with it, and looking for some clarification on its design, its components and its use cases?
[21:33] <nicomachus> was about to slam !pm and then saw the user nick. :D
[21:36] <Bashing-om> Guys. GUI attempting to mount internal drive partitions results in " failed to mount .... do not have permission " - GUI popup - on a minimal install of xenial ( 4 !! installs in differing configurations) .. and then system eventually freezes up . No problem to mount them in terminal . Any guidance on what is not going on in the GUI ?
[21:36] <Orcacat> Hi! Is it possible to decrypt my whole harddrive i encrypted when i installed ubuntu?
[21:36] <nicomachus> Bashing-om: are you opening your file manager as root?
[21:37] <nicomachus> or whatever it is you're trying to use to mount.
[21:37] <nicomachus> Orcacat: nope, sorry.
[21:37] <Orcacat> Nicomachus: rip
[21:37] <nicomachus> Orcacat: you can decrypt it while in use, but you can't permanently decrypt it.
[21:38] <Orcacat> nicomachus: yeah thats the problem, i wish to dual boot it with windows. Cant shrink my harddrive encrypted
[21:38] <nicomachus> sure you can
[21:39] <nicomachus> it's just not easy. :D
[21:39] <ppf_> doesnt' really matter if it's encrypted or not
[21:39] <ppf_> (how did you encrypt it btw? luks?)
[21:39] <nicomachus> ppf_: well, you have to use a live disc and mount the encrypted partition, which is a bit more difficult than mounting a normal partition.
[21:39] <nicomachus> Orcacat: see here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResizeEncryptedPartitions
[21:40] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Yeah tried that too . Groups appear to be set correctly .. can not access from either the file manager or the desktop icons .
[21:40] <nicomachus> Bashing-om: may have to start nautilus (or whatever FM) from terminal with gksu
[21:41] <cringy> sup
[21:41] <gebruiker> does grub sort by date of install or by version?
[21:41] <gebruiker> ( when booting )
[21:41] <Orcacat> nicomachus: tnx
[21:41] <bekks> gebruiker: by order in its config file.
[21:41] <gebruiker> what is the default?
[21:41] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: well .. can give that a whirl .. is there a differnce between " gksu and sudo -H " to open a GUI app ?
[21:42] <bekks> gebruiker: the order of detection / configuration.
[21:42] <gebruiker> bekks, seriously guy .. what are you babbeling?
[21:42] <nicomachus> Bashing-om: not really sure tbh.
[21:42] <ppf_> nicomachus: that's complicated because it's the root partition, not because it's encrypted
[21:42] <nicomachus> gebruiker: he's answering your question
[21:42] <gebruiker> nicomachus, no he is not
[21:42] <bekks> gebruiker: I was just answering your question. If it isnt the answer you like, it isnt my fault.
[21:42] <gr1dl0ck> yes he is
[21:42] <gebruiker> because that is *not* what i asked
[21:43] <nicomachus> gebruiker: it's exactly what you asked.
[21:43] <ppf_> gebruiker: it is
[21:43] <bekks> gebruiker: you asked about how the menu order is generated. I answered your question.
[21:43] <gebruiker> bekks, no i asked if it was by date or by version by default
[21:43] <nicomachus> nieither.
[21:43] <nicomachus> neither*
[21:44] <bekks> gebruiker: neither nor. I told you what the default is.
[21:44] <OerHeks> by kernel, default.
[21:44] <gebruiker> that is the right answer !
[21:44] <gebruiker> jeejz not that hard
[21:44] <nicomachus> k bye.
[21:44] <bekks> *slow clap*
[21:44] <bekks> *plonk*
[21:45] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Well .. As I have found no other solution will install gksudo .. and see what results -- . Can not hurt much more to try . The installs are good until I go messing with a GUI mount of the internal drives - then the system freezes ( ouch !) .
[21:46] <ppf_> Bashing-om: sudo does the same thing
[21:46] <nicomachus> ppf_: when opening a GUI program?
[21:46] <ppf_> yeah
[21:46] <nicomachus> like, running 'sudo nautilus' would open it as root?
[21:46] <i11iga1Code> is it a bad or good idea to create a (super) root script that loads programs on boot like: sudo service ferm start;sudo service tor start; sudo service ddclient start
[21:47] <ppf_> only difference is gksudo will ask for the password in a gui window
[21:47] <ppf_> i11iga1Code: yes
[21:47] <i11iga1Code> yes?
[21:47] <i11iga1Code> wat
[21:47] <ppf_> i11iga1Code: sorry. bad iead :)
[21:47] <i11iga1Code> why
[21:47] <OerHeks> i11iga1Code, with systemD ?
[21:48] <i11iga1Code> i can't get ferm to boot on startup, and it has to be enabled before tor and ddclient
[21:48] <bekks> i11iga1Code: create startup dependencies.
[21:48] <ppf_> with systemd or sysv or upstart, you configure whether services start on boot or not
[21:48] <i11iga1Code> thanks OerHeks, reading..
[21:48] <ppf_> you don't put that in the script
[21:48] <ppf_> i11iga1Code: which ubuntu?
[21:49] <i11iga1Code> raspbian, i must say they are alike when it comes to terminal/commandline interface, and this channel is way more active
[21:49] <i11iga1Code> hope you don't feel like wasting your time
[21:49] <ppf_> i11iga1Code: which raspbian?
[21:50] <i11iga1Code> the latest raspbian lite
[21:50] <bekks> i11iga1Code: So you are running raspbian?
[21:50] <ppf_> cat /etc/*-release
[21:50] <ppf_> jessie or wheezy?
[21:51] <i11iga1Code> jessie 8
[21:51] <ppf_> right, then systemd is your path
[21:51] <gebruiker> for the people that want to know the answer to the grub quesiton I posed earlier: it will put the latest kernel installed as default.
[21:52] <ppf_> systemctl enable ferm tor ddclient
[21:54] <i11iga1Code> i just tried that with ferm
[21:54] <bekks> you tried what?
[21:54] <i11iga1Code> ppf_
[21:54] <ppf_> enable will only hook it into the startup routine
[21:54] <hans109h> Can anyone help me with a failing do-release-upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10, I'm running into permission errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23335990/
[21:55] <ppf_> systemctl start ferm tor ddclient to bring the mall up
[21:55] <i11iga1Code> perhaps it has something to do with rights/permissions, because i just added user and removed pi, hmm..
[21:55] <bekks> i11iga1Code: so you arent running ubuntu, are you?
[21:55] <nicomachus> hans109h: did you use sudo?
[21:55] <i11iga1Code> we talked about that
[21:56] <bekks> i11iga1Code: you did not say "yes" or "no" yet.
[21:56] <i11iga1Code> i am running ubnutu on the machine i am talking from actually
[21:56] <nicomachus> he's running raspbian
[21:56] <bekks> Running non-Ubuntu makes your topic being offtopic in here.
[21:56] <i11iga1Code> i see im not welcome :'(
[21:56] <i11iga1Code> away i go to shitty support #raspbian chan
[21:56] <i11iga1Code> bye
[21:57] <mr_yogurt> Ubuntu is getting stuck in various stages of startup
[21:57] <ppf_> i11iga1Code: try #debian
[21:57] <mr_yogurt> Right now, the splash screen
[21:57] <ppf_> i11iga1Code: and the commands i posted :)
[21:57] <ppf_> mr_yogurt: hit escape during boot to see what it's doing
[21:57] <i11iga1Code> ppf_ do you care for some pm?
[21:57] <nicomachus> i11iga1Code: or even #systemd
[21:58] <V7> Guys
[21:58] <V7> I can't backup my system ...
[21:58] <V7> It says me that file is too large !
[21:58] <i11iga1Code> nice, you guys handles the way of getting me out of here professional and good
[21:58] <ppf_> i11iga1Code: i'm afraid i'm heading out
[21:59] <nicomachus> i11iga1Code: it's not about getting you out, it's about getting you into the right place.
[21:59] <i11iga1Code> ppf_ have a nice night then :)
[21:59] <lordcirth> V7, what are you using to back up, and where are you copying it to?
[21:59] <ppf_> generally i don't, just out of rime :)
[21:59] <i11iga1Code> i like that nicomachus
[21:59] <lordcirth> Are you copying to a USB?
[21:59] <mr_yogurt> ppf_: whne I do that nothing happens
[21:59] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Sorry system froze up again .. will leave as is for a spell, not mess with the GUI and see if It remains up .
[21:59] <V7> lordcirth: http://i.imgur.com/UQEc8Bx.png
[22:00] <nicomachus> Bashing-om: nautilus with root seems to run very slow for me, too, most of the time.
[22:00] <lordcirth> V7, you are writing to a VFAT filesystem, they can only handle up to 4GB files
[22:00] <V7> lordcirth: Yup ... USB is 8GB
[22:00] <V7> lordcirth: Yeah I know that
[22:00] <V7> So I can't backup new insatlled system
[22:01] <V7> Is there any file which is bigger that 4GB ?
[22:01] <lordcirth> V7, you are dd'ing sda1 to a file on the USB?  That's bigger than 4GB
[22:01] <V7> ooh
[22:01] <V7> File ISO is bigger
[22:02] <V7> Understood
[22:02] <V7> Which filesystem I should use to make a backup ?
[22:02] <lordcirth> V7, unless your sda1 is smaller than 8GB, it still wont fit that way
[22:03] <lordcirth> Also, that's not an ISO
[22:03] <lordcirth> ISO has a special format, that's just a raw copy
[22:03] <lordcirth> !backup | V7
[22:04] <V7> lordcirth: Thank you for links, but I know types of backups ...
[22:04] <V7> Which one method you're using ?
[22:04] <V7> you use *
[22:04] <lordcirth> V7, I use Duplicity to backup my homedir
[22:04] <V7> lordcirth: Concrete
[22:04] <lordcirth> Also btrfs snapshots
[22:05] <lordcirth> I have not yet gotten around to sending the snapshots anywhere
[22:05] <V7> raid ?
[22:06] <lordcirth> V7, my important stuff is all on ZFS.  The backups are just for the remaining stuff that's too hard to put on ZFS.
[22:07] <V7> lordcirth: roger
[22:08] <yancho> tomreyn: still the same: E: Failed to fetch http://mt.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cloud-initramfs-tools/overlayroot_0.27ubuntu1.2_all.deb  Hash Sum mismatch
[22:09] <winsen> hi all
[22:09] <winsen> ppf: are you there?
[22:10] <nicomachus> ppf_ said he was going to bed I think
[22:11] <MichaelTiebesl> hi there, after installing ubuntu 16.10 i have in the menubar an icon for text and calling. Why is that? and how to remove it?
[22:13] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: well.. Have a new install of a xenial mininal on a new SSD. on the 1st install .. prior to messing with the external mounting of partitions in the GUI I had no problems . Since then I have reinstalled minimal 3 times . - Have booted back up now from a freeze incident and will see if I remain stable .
[22:14] <quidnunc> What does "apt-get install ." do and how do I undo it?
[22:14] <younder> ls
[22:15] <nicomachus> quidnunc: uh... it installs packages. and you undo it by doing "apt-get purge <package name>
[22:15] <quidnunc> nicomachus: No "."    I was trying to upgrade but stopped that and restart.  How do I fix this?
[22:35] <nicomachus> Linuxh: maybe set the nomodeset parameter?
[22:35] <nicomachus> !nomodeset | Linuxh
[22:35] <foo> I have a ubuntu system on the east coast. I'm on the west coast. System time is EST. I'm PST. I want to set system time to be PST... since that's the time I operate in. Any reason not to do this?
[22:36] <JFlash> hi, I was using atom editor and i unexpected closed a tab after control-X-ing some important content
[22:36] <JFlash> now the content is gonefrom the file... how can I recover it?
[22:36] <JFlash> does Atom editor or ubuntu save this content anywhere?
[22:37] <JFlash> temporary versions of a file or something?
[22:37] <cybex_> JFlash : https://discuss.atom.io/t/how-to-restore-your-previously-opened-tabs-even-non-saved-files/25035
[22:37] <cybex_> hope this helps
[22:37] <cybex_> or possibly ctrl + shift + t
[22:37] <cybex_> from : https://discuss.atom.io/t/reopen-close-tab/7473
[22:38] <quidnunc> /var/lib/extended_states for anyone who reads the logs in the future
[22:38] <JFlash> Cyber_Akuma, looks like thats about keeping the editor state after you closed it
[22:39] <JFlash> cybex_, I havent closed the program yet
[22:39] <cybex_> quidnunc : what did you need the auto/manual markings for?
[22:39] <JFlash> what I need is a way to list temp files, if there are any
[22:39] <quidnunc> cybex_: I accidentally did "apt-get install ." which marks everything as manually installed
[22:39] <quidnunc> (I think)
[22:40] <reyha> HI
[22:40] <cybex_> JFlash: I am not aware of any, but ill keep looking Lo
[22:40] <JFlash> cybex_, I already reopened the tab an the content is no longer there
[22:40] <cybex_> :p*
[22:40] <cybex_> oh shame quidnunc, well glad you got it sorted :p
[22:41] <GnuHiatus> So, I'm curious, let's say I want a snap of Adobe's brackets. Can I just do it myself and upload it to Ubuntu, so i have to technically fork out or rename it or what?
[22:42] <JFlash> what location can atom store temporary files on ubuntu?
[22:44] <lordcirth> JFlash, where can it, or where does it?  Temp files are normally put in /tmp or ~/.cache
[22:45] <JFlash> i mean.. I where I could potentially find this temp content
[22:45] <JFlash> thanks I will look there
[22:46] <lordcirth> JFlash, you can also do 'locate atom' and filter it down with grep
[22:46] <JFlash> thank you
[22:47] <cybex_> JFlash : seems to be somewhat inline with what you are looking for : https://github.com/atom/autosave/issues/11 : https://github.com/atom/atom/issues/8327 but I do not find anything regarding temporary files. If you really need to recover, I recall an app that monitors read/write on files as they occur, you might be able to find its location in that regard, or possibly use inotifywatch built into linux : see https://linux.die.net/man/1/inotifywatch
[22:49] <JFlash> cybex_, thanks, I'm looking into those
[22:51] <ZoderUck> Hello
[22:51] <cybex_> JFlash: Ill let you know of I find something else, but good luck
[22:51] <ZoderUck> how is everybody ?
[22:52] <JFlash> thanks man
[22:59] <JFlash> cybex_, the name of the file is too common , it'called index.js
[23:00] <JFlash> cybex_, because almost node package has an index.js there are thousands of results when I try the locate command
[23:00] <JFlash> cybex_, also, locate atom also brings thousands of results
[23:01] <JFlash> cybex_, any sugestions on how to grep these results
[23:01] <JFlash> cybex_, can I grep by date , like for recent files?
[23:02] <orlock> JFlash: you want find for that
[23:02] <cybex_> if you recall some contents of the fil thhat can make it unique, you can maybe egrep, just have a look at syntax but egrep searches the file contents
[23:02] <orlock> theres other ways too
[23:02] <JFlash> how can I do it?
[23:02] <cybex_> sorry, typos*
[23:02] <JFlash> yes I do remember the content
[23:03] <JFlash> thank you
[23:04] <JFlash> guys I tried this command :  find . -mtime 0 -type f
[23:05] <JFlash> but i listms me thousands of results from chromium cache
[23:05] <JFlash> how can I filter those out?
[23:06] <orlock> cude way
[23:06] <orlock>  add this to the end
[23:06] <orlock>  | grep -v chromium
[23:07] <JFlash> thank you
[23:09] <cybex_> egrep should work, else you somthing like "substring="line to search for"; for e in $(locate index,js); do result=$(cat $e | grep $substring); if [ ! -z $result]; then echo "possible file $e";fi ;done" ,  apologies if there is some mistake, my bash scripting is a bit rusty. Replace the contents of substring with a unique line from your file, include the quotes. Then the for should use the locate function to search for any file with that file name "index.js",
[23:10] <cybex_> JFlash : see above
[23:33] <Darien> Hey, I am having some problems with my wireless internet. Sometimes it will get really slow, stop, or disconnect. Any ideas?
[23:47] <hamsterpower> unity tweak tool sucks :( numix theme removes texts from Eclipse menu
[23:50] <dorkmafia> ok so I installed ubuntu on my ssd ... added a swap drive on the hdd, and home/root partiions but I can not boot ubuntu w/o having the usb stick plugged in
[23:50] <dorkmafia> i guess I have to add a boot partition?
[23:50] <stevlar> try boot repair
[23:50] <lordcirth> dorkmafia, you must have installed Grub to the USB by accident
[23:51] <stevlar> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[23:51] <dorkmafia> no accident there since grub has to be on the usb
[23:51] <dorkmafia> i guess I need to install it to the ssd?
[23:51] <stevlar> yes u have to install it on the ssd
[23:51] <stevlar> if u dont want to boot while usb plugged in
[23:52] <dorkmafia> ok so how do i do that?
[23:53] <stevlar> check the link i sent to you
[23:53] <dorkmafia> go back through the install menu
[23:53] <dorkmafia> oh i can do it through the os
[23:53] <dorkmafia> if i boot into it
[23:55] <lordcirth> dorkmafia, boot into it, and grub-install /dev/sd#
[23:55] <lordcirth> However, I'm not sure if Ubuntu will automatically update grub correctly then...
[23:56] <dorkmafia> i can use the boot repair thing
[23:56] <dorkmafia> he linked me


[00:36] <stgraber> hmm, so what happened to snapcraft in Xenial? looks like it just went back to 2.8.4 and that's making all the lxd builds fail
[00:37] <stgraber> LP says there should be 2.20 in xenial-proposed, 2.8.4 in xenial and 2.19 in xenial-updates
[00:37] <stgraber> rmadison only shows 2.8.4 in xenial, not the other too
[00:38] <stgraber> and publishing history confirms that 2.19 was never removed or superseded, so something weird's going on
[00:38] <stgraber> infinity: ^
[00:39] <stgraber> the timeline I've got is that it was fine 5 hours ago and bad an hour ago, so something happened at some point in between
[00:40] <stgraber> slangasek: ^ if you're around.
[00:42] <mwhudson> stgraber: huh
[00:43] <mwhudson> stgraber: the publisher has gone a bit weird, that may be related
[00:43] <stgraber> mwhudson: ah, what's going on with the publisher?
[00:43] <mwhudson> stgraber: are you getting different answers from ftpmaster.internal vs archive.ubuntu.com ?
[00:43] <stgraber> nevermind, reading scrollback of the internal channel now
[00:43] <mwhudson> stgraber: dunno, see #webobs internal
[00:44] <stgraber> mwhudson: yeah, they may be different answers, rmadison queries ftpmaster and that's also what LP uses
[00:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-image (xenial-proposed/universe) [0.10+16.04ubuntu1 => 0.10+16.04ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[01:04] <stgraber> so the reason is ftpmaster running out of memory and the publisher ending up doing a partial publish (not so great error handling...)
[01:04] <stgraber> IS is now trying to get a succesful publisher run again to get things back to normal
[03:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gspell (yakkety-proposed/main) [1.0.3-1ubuntu3 => 1.0.3-1ubuntu4] (no packageset)
[03:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: subiquity (xenial-proposed/primary) [0.0.23~16.04.1]
[04:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gspell [armhf] (zesty-proposed/main) [1.2.0-2] (no packageset)
[04:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gspell [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed/main) [1.2.0-2] (no packageset)
[04:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gspell [amd64] (zesty-proposed/main) [1.2.0-2] (no packageset)
[04:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gspell [arm64] (zesty-proposed/main) [1.2.0-2] (no packageset)
[04:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gspell [i386] (zesty-proposed/main) [1.2.0-2] (no packageset)
[04:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gspell [s390x] (zesty-proposed/main) [1.2.0-2] (no packageset)
[04:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gspell [powerpc] (zesty-proposed/main) [1.2.0-2] (no packageset)
[04:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pulseaudio [i386] (zesty-proposed/main) [1:9.0-4ubuntu1] (core)
[04:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pulseaudio [amd64] (zesty-proposed/main) [1:9.0-4ubuntu1] (core)
[04:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pulseaudio [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed/main) [1:9.0-4ubuntu1] (core)
[04:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pulseaudio [s390x] (zesty-proposed/main) [1:9.0-4ubuntu1] (core)
[04:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pulseaudio [powerpc] (zesty-proposed/main) [1:9.0-4ubuntu1] (core)
[04:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pulseaudio [armhf] (zesty-proposed/main) [1:9.0-4ubuntu1] (core)
[04:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pulseaudio [arm64] (zesty-proposed/main) [1:9.0-4ubuntu1] (core)
[06:00] <LocutusOfBorg> *please* blacklist ghc and haskell-*
[06:00] <LocutusOfBorg> somebody started the ghc-8 transition in Debian
[06:31] <LocutusOfBorg> pitti, slangasek ^^ I don't want a ghc 8 transition right now
[07:06] <pitti> hm, autosync isn't on yet, is it? ^ for the ghc thing
[07:33] <apw> it is not as far as i know, waiting on perl was the last i heard
[08:58] <oSoMoN> hi everyone. Could someone help me understand why https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=4&queue_text=webbrowser-app ended up in the rejected queue?
[09:03] <pitti> oSoMoN: you should have gotten a REJECTed email, but I guess it's because https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-051-deletedppa has been deleted
[09:03] <pitti> oSoMoN: although I think this is not the same webbrowser-app upload that you were doing recently
[09:03] <pitti> (this was from August already)
[09:04] <oSoMoN> pitti, indeed that was a different SRU (the upload I did recently was targetting yakkety, this is for xenial)
[09:05] <oSoMoN> pitti, I don’t think I got that rejected e-mail, I’ll check again. according to bileto’s logs (https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1650#audit_log) the silo was abandoned because the upload had been rejected, not the other way around
[09:07] <oSoMoN> pitti, should I request a new silo?
[09:07] <pitti> oSoMoN: I don't know why it was rejected, or what happened to the silo, I'm afraid
[09:08] <oSoMoN> no worries, I’ll request a new one then, I shouldn’t have let it drag on for so long
[09:25] <rbasak> Does bileto not pass rejected emails along?
[09:27] <apw> i have taken to dropping a note next to the reject notification from queuebot in here, but i don't think i did that one
[09:27] <rbasak> Sounds like someone should file a bug against bileto
[09:33] <apw> i assume the bugs go to the owner of the copying key
[09:33] <apw> s/bugs/emails
[09:47] <xnox> Laney, is it wise to start boost transition, when there are 5,500 hits for "perl" on the excuses page?
[09:48] <xnox> pitti, oSoMoN, unfortunately the reject emails go to the bileto bot email address; effectively /dev/null
[09:49] <oSoMoN> xnox, is robru aware of it? it would be useful to have that information stored and accessible somewhere
[09:50] <robru> oSoMoN: there was some talk of getting those mails sent to landers, but it requires changes in launchpad, ask cjwatson if that is in production yet
[09:55] <robru> oSoMoN: pitti: i think you guys are confused. The upload to the ppa wasn't rejected, the package was in the ppa and then published, but sru team rejected the upload to xenial archive
[09:56] <oSoMoN> robru, yes, that’s what I said, and some time later the silo was abandonned because of the rejection
[09:56] <rbasak> bdmurray: ^
[09:58] <robru> oSoMoN: yeah, I'm not aware of emails being sent for sru rejections, emails get sent if the ppa rejects an upload, so the plan to get emails sent in case of uploads rejection doesn't apply here as far as i know
[10:01] <robru> robru: anyway sorry for deleting your ppa, i was being aggressive in removing landing-nnn PPAs, it looked really neglected
[10:03] <robru> oSoMoN: the rejection reason should be on your bug, really: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1600176 shame it's not
[10:03] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1600176 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "[SRU] webbrowser-app bug fixes" [High,New]
[10:03] <robru> oSoMoN: not sure if you started a new ticket yet, no harm in reusing the same ticket, just click build and it'll bring the ticket back to life
[10:04] <oSoMoN> robru, I started another one, and don’t feel bad about deleting the other one, it was being neglected indeed, I didn’t do a good job of following up on it
[10:05] <rbasak> robru: what if an SRU upload refers to two bugs, and the rejection reason is that a patch appears to be a third bug that doesn't appear to apply to either of them? I don't think there's a clear place for a rejection reason to go.
[10:05] <rbasak> robru: or (not sure if this applies to bileto) sometimes there's an upload that needs to be rejected because it has no bug reference.
[10:06] <robru> rbasak: oh jeez i dunno. The mp has a few bugs listed but that one is the only one that isn't "fix released"
[10:06] <rbasak> I think there was some confusion on this upload, but it started off with me saying "why is there a patch not connected to either of the bugs listed?"
[10:06] <rbasak> oSoMoN cleared that up yesterday, but it was confusing.
[10:10] <robru> rbasak: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ci-train-bot/webbrowser-app/webbrowser-app-ubuntu-xenial-landing-051/revision/1419#debian/changelog it seems like this upload was drowning in bug references
[10:11] <rbasak> Hmm. That's not the changelog I reviewed yesterday.
[10:11] <robru> rbasak: no, this upload was rejected over a month ago
[10:11] <rbasak> Then I'm missing your point.
[10:12] <robru> rbasak: nobody seems to know why this sru was rejected, you said maybe it lacked a bug reference, i dug up the changelog to confirm it had bug references
[10:13] <rbasak> No, that's not what I mean. What I'm saying is that rejection reasons aren't necessarily tied to bugs, so in the general case the right place for a rejection reason is against the upload, not against a particular bug.
[10:13] <robru> Ah
[10:14] <robru> Ok anyways, 3am here, goodnight, and good luck oSoMoN !
[10:18] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, my eternal gratitude for a powerpc fpc bootstrap <3
[10:22] <oSoMoN> rbasak, yeah that was confusing, there were two SRUs, one targetting yakkety (that you reviewed yesterday) and one targetting xenial (that had been bitrotting for a while, and I was trying to understand why it had been rejected in the first place)
[10:22] <rbasak> Ah. I had thought that the one I reviewed yesterday was the one rejected. Sorry.
[10:23] <oSoMoN> no worries :)
[12:46] <LocutusOfBorg> pitti, your opinion about ghc8?
[12:46] <LocutusOfBorg> or slangasek
[12:47] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: no idea about haskell; I'd defer to Laney for that
[12:47] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: but, so far we don't even have autosyncs on, we first want to finish perl
[12:48] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: I don't mind blacklisting it for a bit
[12:48] <LocutusOfBorg> no, but a specific blacklist would be awesome
[12:48] <LocutusOfBorg> I can ask to re-enable it when things are more clear, right now we have many reverse-dependencies broken in unstable
[12:49] <LocutusOfBorg> so, blocking it might be nice
[12:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: zfs-linux (yakkety-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu4 => <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu4.1] (no packageset)
[12:49] <LocutusOfBorg> also, two haskell libraries in new queue, and webcomponentsjs-custom-element-v0.js es-module-loader-0.17.js
[12:49] <LocutusOfBorg> still for the golang stuff
[12:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: zfs-linux (xenial-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu14 => <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu15] (no packageset)
[13:02] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: ghc8 isn't in Ubuntu so it won't even be autosynced; I don't think we need a blacklist for that
[13:03] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: is there a ghc-defaults or so which needs blacklisting then?
[13:03] <LocutusOfBorg> no, ghc8 is src:ghc
[13:03] <LocutusOfBorg> only one is possible
[13:03] <LocutusOfBorg> https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/ghc.html
[13:05] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23392659/ ?
[13:07] <LocutusOfBorg> are you sure you don't need an additional "haskell-*" hscolour happy djinn drift and so on?
[13:07] <LocutusOfBorg> I remember cjwatson putting such blacklisting a while ago, can't you recover it?
[13:08] <pitti> no, I don't know at all what I'm doing :)
[13:08] <LocutusOfBorg> maybe colin knows better
[13:10] <LocutusOfBorg> you don't track versioning for it
[13:10] <LocutusOfBorg> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/sync-blacklist.txt
[13:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: postgresql-common [amd64] (zesty-proposed/main) [177git1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-server)
[13:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted haskell-relational-schemas [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1]
[13:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted haskell-relational-schemas [armhf] (zesty-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1]
[13:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted haskell-relational-schemas [powerpc] (zesty-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1]
[13:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted haskell-relational-schemas [arm64] (zesty-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1]
[13:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted haskell-relational-schemas [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1]
[13:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted haskell-relational-schemas [i386] (zesty-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1]
[13:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gspell [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [1.2.0-2]
[13:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gspell [armhf] (zesty-proposed) [1.2.0-2]
[13:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gspell [powerpc] (zesty-proposed) [1.2.0-2]
[13:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gspell [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [1.2.0-2]
[13:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gspell [arm64] (zesty-proposed) [1.2.0-2]
[13:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gspell [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed) [1.2.0-2]
[13:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gspell [i386] (zesty-proposed) [1.2.0-2]
[13:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted postgresql-common [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [177git1]
[14:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: procps (xenial-proposed/main) [2:3.3.10-4ubuntu2.1 => 2:3.3.10-4ubuntu2.2] (core)
[14:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-relational-query-hdbc [i386] (zesty-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1] (no packageset)
[14:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-relational-query-hdbc [armhf] (zesty-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1] (no packageset)
[14:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-relational-query-hdbc [amd64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1] (no packageset)
[14:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-relational-query-hdbc [arm64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1] (no packageset)
[14:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-relational-query-hdbc [s390x] (zesty-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1] (no packageset)
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-relational-query-hdbc [powerpc] (zesty-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1] (no packageset)
[14:46] <xnox> pitti, openscad does not support qt gles, since qt switched to gles on arm64 openscad can no longer build on arm64. Could you please remove arm64 openscad binaries from zesty release?
[14:46] <xnox> specifically openscad 2015.03-1+dfsg-3build1 arm64
[14:46] <xnox> from zesty release
[15:05] <pitti> xnox: *zap*, done
[15:05] <xnox> pitti, thank you!
[15:06] <xnox> i'm just a couple of steps away from completing boost1.61 transition and requesting removal of boost1.60. Such that I can start boost1.62 transition without having 3 boosts in the archive.
[15:12] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#perl looks much more reasonable now, but still a bit of work to do
[15:12]  * pitti goes to do some less glorious house cleaning, have a nice evening/weekend everyone!
[15:45] <ginggs> yay xnox!
[20:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-image [source] (xenial-proposed) [0.10+16.04ubuntu2]
[21:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qemu [source] (trusty-proposed) [2.0.0+dfsg-2ubuntu1.29]
[23:35] <bdmurray> slangasek: I think rbasak is good to join the SRU team now.


[00:55] <koalo> hi
[00:59] <koalo> i tried to build a rootfs for qemu but everytime i get a Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
[01:02] <persia> How are you trying to build the rootfs?
[01:03] <koalo> like in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch
[01:04] <koalo> sudo rootstock --fqdn ubuntu --login ubuntu --password ubuntu
[01:05] <koalo> and then mkdir /tmp/arm
[01:05] <koalo> sudo mount -o loop /tmp/arm.img /tmp/arm
[01:05] <koalo> cd /tmp/arm
[01:05] <koalo> sudo tar xzvf ../qemu-arm-rootfs.tgz
[01:05] <koalo> cd ..
[01:05] <koalo> sudo umount /tmp/arm
[01:05] <koalo> rm /tmp/arm
[01:06] <koalo> qemu with
[01:06] <koalo> sudo qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb -kernel /tmp/vmlinuz-2.6.28-versatile -cpu arm926 -hda /tmp/arm.img -m 256M -append "root=/dev/sda mem=256M"
[01:08] <persia> That certainly looks right.
[01:08]  * persia tries
[01:11] <koalo> oh and qemu-img create arm.img 1G
[01:11] <koalo> sudo mkfs.ext2 -F arm.img
[01:11] <persia> I seem to be bumping into a bug that prevents rootstock from running at all today.  Sorry.
[01:11] <persia> Someone else may have to help.
[01:13] <koalo> thanks anyway!
[01:22] <koalo> the rootfs from http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/arm/qemu/qemu-arm-rootfs.tgz works....
[01:35] <koalo> i give up for today
[01:35] <koalo> bye
[06:30] <DanaG> interesting... bootchart doesn't do anything on arm.
[06:33] <DanaG> Nor does ureadahead.
[06:33] <DanaG> Probably doesn't need to do anything, though.
[06:50] <Martyn> wait, ureadahead should work!
[06:50] <Martyn> it should be prepopulating the cache
[06:51] <Martyn> Did we forget to add the patch into the arm branch of the kernel?
[06:56] <DanaG> Then again, my ureadahead doesn't work on my host amd64 system, either... terminates with status 4.
[06:56] <DanaG> =þ
[06:56] <DanaG> So maybe I'm just unlucky.
[06:56] <DanaG> hmm, /var/lib/ureadahead/ has just debugfs; no "pack".
[06:56] <DanaG> Also, my thing isn't using an initramfs, and update-initramfs does nothing.
[06:58] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/fc125c14
[06:59] <DanaG> that is:   bash -x `which update-initramfs` -u -k all
[07:00] <Martyn> Yeah, I'm only just starting to work with initramfs/initrd for arm server
[07:00] <Martyn> it will be a while before I walk the entire chain
[07:01] <DanaG> Plus, initramfs needs u-boot to know what to do with it, also.
[07:01] <DanaG> As it is, the kernel has to come from elsewhere -- I went here: http://rcn-ee.net/deb/kernel/beagle/
[07:07] <DanaG> Are there any plans to have standard in-repo kernels for various boards?
[07:10] <Martyn> no
[07:10] <Martyn> at least, from what I saw, only the supported processors on their test platforms for now
[07:10] <Martyn> Marvell Dove
[07:10] <Martyn> etc
[07:10] <Martyn> etc
[13:01] <ogra> does anyone have additional ideas what should be on the rootstock gui for its first iteration ? http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/rootstock-gui.png
[13:01] <ogra> asac, ^^^ ?
[13:01] <asac> ogra: make the image size typable ;)
[13:01] <ogra> pfft
[13:02] <asac> ogra: whats the "run tasksel" button
[13:02] <ogra> well, beyond that, any options you would like to see ?
[13:02] <asac> if you click there it instantly runs tasksel?
[13:02] <ogra> it fires up the tasksel gui
[13:02] <asac> so right when clicking?
[13:03] <ogra> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/rootstock-tasksel.png
[13:03] <ogra> its a separate window
[13:03] <asac> k
[14:45] <ogra> asac, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/rootstock-gui.png more happy with that ?
[14:46] <asac> ogra: can one type
[14:46] <ogra> (the file menu has a save profile/load profile as well)
[14:46] <ogra> indeed
[14:46] <ogra> well, you will, thats all mockup atm
[15:04] <asac> ogra: seed url doesnt work?
[15:04] <ogra> no, thats not in the script yet either
[15:04] <asac> kk
[15:04] <ogra> something for L+1
[15:05] <asac> image size -> implies we create a real image now?
[15:05] <ogra> no, should i call it rootfs size rather ?
[15:05] <asac> rootfs max size
[15:05] <asac> ?
[15:05] <asac> why do we need that? cant we do an estimate?
[15:06] <ogra> its one point i would even like to automate, but that smells like a huge amount of code to compute it in advance
[15:06] <asac> guess not ;)
[15:06] <asac> right
[15:06] <ogra> also L+1 :)
[15:06] <asac> but cant we say: 4GB by default?
[15:06] <ogra> no, people that do ubuntu-minimal will only neeed 500MB
[15:06] <asac> but that space isnt wasted
[15:06] <ogra> i dont want to waste more diskspace than needed
[15:06] <asac> its just temporary right=
[15:07] <asac> ?
[15:07] <ogra> its used during build
[15:07] <asac> right
[15:07] <ogra> so your host definately needs that amount
[15:07] <asac> we can take as much as the file system has ;)
[15:07] <ogra> no, that would strictly bind to the filesystem
[15:07] <asac> run a check before build if /tmp partition has more than 4GB ... if so acquire it, other pop up a dialog and ask user to select a smaller guess ;)
[15:07] <ogra> i want to preserve the funstionallity that you can use the script without a FS
[15:08] <asac> without a fS?
[15:08] <asac> FS?
[15:08] <ogra> without a target partition
[15:08] <asac> how can a rootfs work without a filesystem?
[15:08] <ogra> the script should still go on to produce tarballs
[15:08] <asac> i dont think i understand you. keep the option ;)
[15:08] <ogra> as well as the gui ...
[15:08] <asac> i know
[15:09] <ogra> only if you fill in the bottom option to write to target partition we actually have a size
[15:09] <asac> i am saying. if your local /tmp partition has more than 4GB size, use that as image size
[15:09] <asac> otherwise ask :)
[15:09] <asac> but i see that its not accurate
[15:09] <asac> maybe "grow-on-demand"?
[15:09] <asac> guess thats harder
[15:10] <ogra> yes, thats quite hard the stages are to disconnected
[15:10] <ogra> i would go with a hard 4G for the gui ...
[15:11] <ogra> given that when you run the gui you really should make sure to have enough build space
[15:11] <asac> anyway. i think we should set the image size to a reasonable default and move it from the top
[15:11] <asac> i think i just care so much because i would expect the top most option to be quite important
[15:11] <ogra> the prob is what happens if a user is insane enough to pick kubuntu-debsktop, ubuntu-dekstop, xubuntu-desktop at the same time
[15:11] <asac> right
[15:11] <asac> lets move it down
[15:12] <asac> and use a reasonable default (e.g. 4 or 2 GB)
[15:12] <ogra> 4 then
[15:12] <ogra> thats definately safe for most operations
[15:12] <asac> also name it (build space) or something
[15:12] <ogra> with a minimal size coded in the spinbutton
[15:12] <ogra> i.e. 0.5 G
[15:13] <asac> i dont care about minimal size ;)
[15:13] <ogra> well, the actual build space is a bit more than the image size
[15:13] <asac> doesnt matter ;) ... name it: rootfs build area
[15:13] <ogra> (kernel Packages file etc... but that should be in the megabytes
[15:13] <ogra> ok
[15:14] <asac> what is in datei ?
[15:14] <asac> in the menu?
[15:14] <ogra> load profile/save profile and quit
[15:15] <asac> ok
[15:15] <ogra> to load/save the set of options you picked
[15:28] <ogra> asac, reload :)
[15:31] <asac> ogra: good ... maybe in (TEMP) in brackets
[15:31] <asac> ;)
[15:31] <asac> but its ok
[15:32] <ogra> yeah, thats easy to add when i code that stuff ... its currently all glade to get a grasp of the layout i want
[15:33] <ogra> for mockups there is nothing better than glade :)
[15:33] <asac> oh wasnt there the idea to also allow adding .deb files?
[15:34] <ogra> yes, thats for later though
[15:34] <asac> k
[15:34] <asac> only one additional mirror?
[15:34] <asac> or a list of?
[15:35] <ogra> one for now
[15:37] <ogra> the mirror stuff can definately need some extra love later (i'll turn that into post FF bugs) currently it needs to be a properly set up ubuntu archive
[15:37] <ogra> i'd like to make it handle PPAs as well but that needs some extra gpg fiddling in the code thats not there yet
[15:47] <asac> i think its ok ;)
[15:47] <asac> just wondered if a syntax like in pbuilder is allowed
[15:48] <asac> that allows you to specify more than one mirror in one line iirc
[15:49] <ogra> well, that can surely be added... just a check for comma in the argument and split accordingly
[15:49] <ogra> heh, i just wanted to point jamie to commanet #3 on http://ograblog.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/the-shiniest-and-fastest-arms-ever-in-ubuntu/
[15:49] <ogra> i guess he knows why he just disconnected :P
[16:36] <dmart> Hi guys, can you remember who was looking at the Thumb-2 issues in gmp?  Was it dyfet?
[16:36]  * ogra thinks so
[16:37] <ogra> but you might not catch him today (national holiday in the US)
[16:40] <lool> dmart: According to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/513732 he was assigned shortly
[16:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 513732 in gmp (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "[arm] needs porting to thumb2 (affects: 1)" [High,Triaged]
[16:41] <dmart> thanks
[16:48]  * jmc93739653 finds himself in the role of a sterotypical American, as he didn't know it _was_ a holiday in the US today.
[16:50] <Martyn> bank holiday though
[16:50] <Martyn> most businesses are open


[21:46] <blr> morning
[22:06] <mwhudson> wgrant: good morning, could you devirt and enable all arches except powerpc on https://launchpad.net/~mwhudson/+archive/ubuntu/go1.5-arch-tests please?
[22:25] <wgrant> mwhudson: Why not powerpc?
[22:25] <mwhudson> wgrant: i want to test the new support for arm64 & ppc64le in go
[22:26] <wgrant> Oh, it doesn't support 32-bit BE?
[22:26] <wgrant> How odd.
[22:26] <mwhudson> right
[22:26] <wgrant> mwhudson: Done.
[22:26] <mwhudson> wgrant: ta
[22:31] <blr> hi wgrant, how was your weekend?
[22:31] <wgrant> ACPI is terrible.
[22:31] <wgrant> Otherwise not bad.
[22:31] <wgrant> You?
[22:34] <blr> a little hectic, but good all the same.


[07:58] <mup> PR operator#838 opened: made harness.charm raise before begin <Created by PietroPasotti> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/838>
[08:29] <mup> PR operator#838 closed: made harness.charm raise before begin <Created by PietroPasotti> <Merged by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/838>
[12:43] <mup> Issue operator#839 opened: Need a way to abort charm execution <Created by PietroPasotti> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/839>


[03:18] <valorie> happy new year, friends
 Happy New Year
 valorie
[20:51]  * valorie {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} ahoneybun
[20:52] <valorie> sending Thomas your way in a couple of hours
[20:53] <valorie> going off to UPS to mail his xmas presents south rn
 So when are you coming to Denver valorie? You now have two reasons to visit!
[21:37] <valorie> I have multiple reasons to visit!
[21:37] <valorie> I have to plan out my calendar for the year
[21:37] <valorie> KDE hanging fire on choosing when and where Akademy will be is cramping my style
 hanging fire?
[21:38] <valorie> I decided not to go to genealogy convention in February so I'm thinking Feb or March
[21:39] <valorie> hang fire
 I may be in CA for Scale in March, not sure though.
[21:39] <valorie> Delay, as in The advertising campaign is hanging fire until they decide how much to spend on it. This expression originally referred to the 17th-century flintlock musket, where the priming powder ignited but often failed to explode the main charge, a result called hanging fire. [c. 1800]
 mm
[21:39] <valorie> I was asked to go and speak at Scale but nah
[21:40] <valorie> you've gone before, right?
 I've been there every year that I've been at System76 so twice so far.
 Honestly there best part is chicken and donuts near the building.
 lol
[21:45] <valorie> ha!
[21:46] <valorie> I chose not to try to go to India again as well
[21:46] <valorie> I'd rather come down and hang out with y'all a bit
 You can always get Indian food in Denver lol.
[21:53] <valorie> oh, I have friends down there that are foodies and super happy with Denver
 I bet lol. There are also a lot of Veg places.
[22:19] <valorie> and some great meat as well
[22:19] <valorie> even from food trucks
 Yep!