[12:03] <sistpoty> siretart: I guess it allows about everything, at least the from: address can be specified
[12:04] <siretart> sistpoty: looks like: The caller may pass a list of ESMTP options (such as "8bitmime") to be used in "MAIL FROM" commands as mail_options.
[12:05] <raphink> JohnnyMast: reviewed
[12:07] <JohnnyMast> and ?
[12:07] <JohnnyMast> ooh reading...
[12:10] <JohnnyMast> raphink you think i should depend on debhelper >= 5.0 ?
[12:10] <raphink> that's what is recommended now
[12:10] <sistpoty> siretart: oh, you already fixed it... well then I guess I'll just leave it as it is now, and care for other changes
[12:10] <raphink> I use >>5
[12:10] <JohnnyMast> ok thanks
[12:10] <JohnnyMast> yes me 2
[12:10] <JohnnyMast> 5.0.7
[12:10] <kos_tom> good night !
[12:10] <raphink> oh well if you want ;)
[12:10] <raphink> gn kos_tom
[12:11] <siretart> ok
[12:11] <siretart> sleep
[12:11] <siretart> cu tomorrow then!
[12:12] <sistpoty> gn8 siretart
[12:12] <JohnnyMast> raphink can you vote as well ?
[12:13] <raphink> what do you mean JohnnyMast ?
[12:13] <JohnnyMast> advocate
[12:13] <raphink> I cannot advocate if that's what wyou mean
[12:13] <raphink> technically I can, but I am not allowed to, since I'm not a MOTU
[12:13] <JohnnyMast> ok, but your help is very welcome my friend
[12:13] <raphink> gn siretart
[12:13] <raphink> :)
[12:14] <JohnnyMast> it helps me improof the quality of the package
[12:14] <raphink> sur
[12:14] <raphink> sure
[12:14] <raphink> and believe it or not, reviewing packages also teaches me a lot about packaging :)
[12:14] <JohnnyMast> speaking of packing
[12:15] <JohnnyMast> i should repack my own ftpd
[12:15] <JohnnyMast> the current packing is a laugh
[12:15] <JohnnyMast> on view of even me would make me gigle
[12:15] <JohnnyMast> and enum the errors
[12:15] <raphink> really?
[12:16] <JohnnyMast> yeah its all hard coded
[12:16] <JohnnyMast> let me link you
[12:16] <raphink> well the thing is that it must be a merge from debian I guess
[12:16] <raphink> hi Kyral
[12:18] <JohnnyMast> raphink http://sourceforge.net/projects/eftd
[12:18] <raphink> oh this is a package you found there and that is not included in ubuntu yet?
[12:19] <JohnnyMast> this is it ... http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/eftd/extreme/debian/
[12:19] <JohnnyMast> no
[12:19] <JohnnyMast> its what icoded
[12:19] <JohnnyMast> *coded
[12:19] <raphink> oh well then
[12:19] <raphink> you can package it
[12:19] <JohnnyMast> and NOT ready for any os
[12:19] <raphink> why?
[12:19] <JohnnyMast> well the core is stable
[12:20] <JohnnyMast> but it has litle bugs
[12:20] <raphink> ok
[12:20] <JohnnyMast> when i want it in ubuntu/debian what ever i make sure its stable
[12:20] <raphink> it's not in debian either
[12:20] <JohnnyMast> our team has some other software (wich im also planning to pack for ubuntu) in fedora and gentoo
[12:20] <raphink> yes, thats right :)
[12:21] <Kyral> Team?
[12:21] <Kyral> who
[12:21] <raphink> what team?
[12:21] <JohnnyMast> rosiello
[12:21] <JohnnyMast> www.rosiello.org
[12:21] <JohnnyMast> when you see rave on that site
[12:21] <JohnnyMast> its me
[12:22] <raphink> ooo
[12:22] <JohnnyMast> and rosiello.net == my own domain
[12:22] <raphink> that's not W3C-compliant at all ;)
[12:22] <JohnnyMast> pfft
[12:23] <Kyral> Bah!
[12:23] <JohnnyMast> i have something on my TODO that will rock ubuntu`s CMS`es
[12:23] <raphink> well heh
[12:23] <Kyral> Screw W3C compliance :D
[12:23] <raphink> there are bugs with the page on konqueror
[12:23] <JohnnyMast> 100% w3 and good for comunity`s
[12:24] <JohnnyMast> i used to host a comunity on that software
[12:24] <raphink> what is that JohnnyMast ?
[12:24] <Nafallo> Kyral: now I will forever associate you with IE :-P.
[12:24] <JohnnyMast> its edge
[12:24] <Kyral> Nafallo: hell no!
[12:24] <Kyral> Noo!!
[12:24] <JohnnyMast> the cms that neworder.box.sk uses
[12:24] <Kyral> Thats a fate worse than death! Or no Internet!
[12:24] <raphink> Nafallo: haha
[12:24] <Nafallo> hehe
[12:24] <Kyral> I'll be good! I promise!
[12:24] <raphink> you wanted it, you got it ;)
[12:25] <JohnnyMast> Nafallo thats an insult in a room of unix geeks
[12:25] <Nafallo> JohnnyMast: yea, I know :-)
[12:25] <JohnnyMast> :p
[12:25] <Nafallo> but that comment deserved it ;-)
[12:26] <Kyral> I Darn You To Heck! ;P
[12:26] <Nafallo> my girlfriend almost got called windows by me yesterday ;-)
[12:26] <Kyral> OUCH
[12:26] <Nafallo> no sex in some weeks :-/
[12:26] <Kyral> Them's fighting words ;P
[12:26] <Kyral> What Windows doesn't put out either?
[12:26] <Kyral> ;P
[12:27] <JohnnyMast> Nafallo you need to study this word "libsex"
[12:27] <JohnnyMast> keeps ur mind of of windows
[12:27] <Kyral> holy cow there is actually a libsexy1 package
[12:27] <JohnnyMast> :)
[12:28] <JohnnyMast> thats the linux version of i love you
[12:28] <JohnnyMast> the love bug :p
[12:28] <Nafallo> :-)
[12:28] <Nafallo> baah, she'll get over it :-P
[12:29] <Nafallo> my parents bought us a new bed in early xmas present today so... ;-)
[12:29] <JohnnyMast> guys
[12:29] <JohnnyMast> question
[12:29] <JohnnyMast> are you supposed to drink maliboo mixed ?
[12:29] <Kyral> lol
[12:29] <Kyral> Nafallo: man mount? ;P
[12:29] <JohnnyMast> because im drinking some heavy stuff here
[12:30] <Nafallo> Kyral: baah. just because I lost virginity after starting to use linux :-P
[12:30] <dholbach> good night everybody
[12:30] <Nafallo> dholbach: gnight mate, see you tomorrow :-).
[12:30] <JohnnyMast> dholbach gn
[12:30] <dholbach> see you... *yawn*
[12:30] <JohnnyMast> dholbach thanks for ur review btw !
[12:30] <Kyral> Nafallo: roflmao
[12:30] <JohnnyMast> great job
[12:30] <dholbach> de rien
[12:31] <JohnnyMast> de rien ?
[12:31] <dholbach> "anytime"
[12:31] <dholbach> "you're welcome"
[12:31] <JohnnyMast> ooh ok
[12:31] <JohnnyMast> sleep well
[12:31] <dholbach> c'est franais :)
[12:31] <dholbach> you too... later :)
[12:32] <JohnnyMast> ik ben nederlands
[12:32] <JohnnyMast> now that we are talking about nationality`s
[12:32] <raphink> gn dholbach
[12:32] <Nafallo> JohnnyMast: dholbach is german :-).
[12:32] <Nafallo> he just talks to much to seb128 :-P
[12:32] <raphink> hehe
[12:32] <JohnnyMast> ur breaking my pride here
[12:33] <JohnnyMast> :/
[12:33] <raphink> je bin van de niederlanden JohnnyMast ?
[12:33] <JohnnyMast> raphink thats dholbach language
[12:33] <JohnnyMast> gerrman
[12:34] <raphink> hmm
[12:34] <raphink> no
[12:34] <JohnnyMast> yes
[12:34] <raphink> in german it would be
[12:34] <raphink> du bist von etc...
[12:34] <raphink> je ben van ... is dutch
[12:34] <JohnnyMast> ich bin her flick
[12:34] <raphink> or so I think
[12:35] <JohnnyMast> raphink your correct sentence in dutch was
[12:35] <JohnnyMast> je komt uit nederland JohnnyMast ?
[12:35] <raphink> ok
[12:35] <Nafallo> ehm
[12:35] <raphink> I still have to learn ;)
[12:35] <raphink> that was somethign in between ;)
[12:35] <raphink> hehe
[12:35] <dholbach> *wave* :)
[12:35] <raphink> Nafallo: and where are you from?
[12:35] <raphink> tsch
[12:35] <Nafallo> raphink: Sweden :-)
[12:35] <raphink> zu spt
[12:35] <JohnnyMast> raphink we dont use unlouds
[12:36] <raphink> ah :)
[12:36] <JohnnyMast> its just plain abc for holland
[12:36] <raphink> yes JohnnyMast I know that
[12:36] <Nafallo> anyone else got an unsubscribe mail to universe-bugs?
[12:36] <JohnnyMast> we are the easy ppl
[12:36] <JohnnyMast> Nafallo yep
[12:36] <JohnnyMast> me as well
[12:36] <raphink> no Nafallo, inte jag
[12:36] <JohnnyMast> swedish !
[12:36] <JohnnyMast> ick
[12:36] <raphink> well `no' is not swedish I think
[12:37] <JohnnyMast> jag jag jag
[12:37] <raphink> eh don't make fun :p
[12:37] <Nafallo> it's nej on swedish :-)
[12:37] <Nafallo> JohnnyMast: you you you ;-)
[12:37] <raphink> You have been unsubscribed from the Motu-reviewers mailing list
[12:38] <raphink> :(
[12:38] <raphink> Nafallo: no it's `je je je'
[12:38] <Nafallo> raphink: yea. seems universe-bugs is unsubscribed from there then ;-)
[12:38] <raphink> met u u u
[12:39] <raphink> Nafallo: yes, according to what we discussed lately on #ubuntu-meeting
[12:39] <raphink> ;)
[12:39] <raphink> ooo
[12:40] <Nafallo> oh
[12:40] <Nafallo> I've must have missed that.
[12:40] <raphink> I had no idea asking for approval on the LP group would sent a bug
[12:40] <raphink> lol
[12:40] <raphink> Nafallo: yeah I guess ;)
[12:40] <raphink> but \sh sent reports to the motu list
[12:40] <JohnnyMast> rapthink im en exploatren med l , vem frena jag?
[12:41] <raphink> yeah yeah, sure
[12:41] <JohnnyMast> swedish
[12:41] <raphink> heel goed, JohnnyMast
[12:41] <JohnnyMast> w0w
[12:41] <raphink> bara bra
[12:41] <JohnnyMast> very good for you as well
[12:41] <raphink> :p
[12:41] <JohnnyMast> im a developer with beer, who joins me ?
[12:41] <raphink> lol
[12:41] <Nafallo> nope, not swedish :-P
[12:42] <raphink> yep ;)
[12:42] <JohnnyMast> acording to http://www.tranexp.com:2000/InterTran?url=http%3A%2F%2F&type=text&text=im+a+developer+with+beer%2C+who+joins+me+%3F&from=eng&to=swe it is
[12:42] <raphink> swenglish
[12:42] <raphink> for the most
[12:42] <raphink> ;)
[12:42] <JohnnyMast> swengilish
[12:42] <raphink> JohnnyMast: since when do machines decide what swedish is ?
[12:42] <raphink> where are you from sistpoty ?
[12:43] <raphink> deutschland auch?
[12:43] <sistpoty> raphink: germany/near nuremberg
[12:43] <sistpoty> genau
[12:43] <raphink> ach gut :)
[12:43] <JohnnyMast> raphink since a machine rasied me
[12:43] <JohnnyMast> i trust them
[12:43] <raphink> vielen Deutschen hier
[12:43] <JohnnyMast> nein
[12:43] <raphink> llol
[12:43] <JohnnyMast> ich unter Moritz
[12:44] <raphink> wat zagst u ?
[12:44] <JohnnyMast> (his jabber name)
[12:44] <raphink> how terrible is this?
[12:44] <raphink> lol
[12:44] <JohnnyMast> its okey :)
[12:44] <JohnnyMast> du ist besser then ich
[12:45] <Nafallo> anyway, gnight guys
[12:45] <JohnnyMast> see ^^^ thats wrong already
[12:45] <raphink> ik wiess dat niet
[12:45] <raphink> night Nafallo_away
[12:45] <JohnnyMast> gnNafallo
[12:45] <JohnnyMast> i still dont know if you have to mix maliboo
[12:45] <raphink> lol
[12:45] <raphink> I'd like to learn dutch but there's no dutch channel on tv
[12:45] <JohnnyMast> im still drinking it pure
[12:45] <raphink> hehe
[12:46] <JohnnyMast> raphink when you learn dutch ttb is a package for you
[12:46] <JohnnyMast> it shows whats on tonight on tv
[12:46] <raphink> oh ok
[12:46] <JohnnyMast> and the news and stocks etc ...
[12:46] <raphink> well I know dutch tv stream son the internet
[12:46] <raphink> but I prefer to watch the real tv
[12:46] <JohnnyMast> yeah me to
[12:47] <JohnnyMast> BUT
[12:47] <JohnnyMast> in a few days
[12:47] <JohnnyMast> mr /me boards a airplain
[12:47] <JohnnyMast> to go british and maybe 2600`ish
[12:47] <raphink> echt?
[12:47] <JohnnyMast> yes
[12:48] <JohnnyMast> im heading to the UK baby
[12:48] <JohnnyMast> and ship some ubuntu cd`s
[12:48] <raphink> goed :)
[12:48] <raphink> what for?
[12:48] <raphink> haha
[12:48] <JohnnyMast> to my PRO freebsd girl
[12:48] <raphink> yes that's a must
[12:48] <JohnnyMast> see i have a unix chick
[12:48] <JohnnyMast> but
[12:48] <McFergus> freebsdgirl.com ? :P
[12:48] <JohnnyMast> :( freebsd
[12:48] <raphink> McFergus: lol
[12:49] <JohnnyMast> im gonna make her horney all over my desktop
[12:49] <raphink> huh that even exists !!
[12:49] <JohnnyMast> and further upstairs
[12:49] <McFergus> yap..
[12:49] <JohnnyMast> is that the promo site
[12:49] <McFergus> and she's even hot
[12:49] <JohnnyMast> with the pictures ??
[12:49] <JohnnyMast> as the linux chicks ?
[12:51] <JohnnyMast> speaking of funny domains
[12:51] <JohnnyMast> wich domain did you think i registered for my ircd ?
[12:52] <Kyral> hey ajmitch
[12:52] <JohnnyMast> i registered anircd.com
[12:52] <JohnnyMast> so is called the project -.com
[12:52] <McFergus> so?
[12:52] <ajmitch> raphink: debhelper can't be in Build-Depends-Indep for good reasons
[12:52] <JohnnyMast> its a fun domain realy
[12:53] <raphink> ajmitch: why?
[12:53] <raphink> ajmitch: but then that gives a lintian warning on build-depends without arch
[12:53] <ajmitch> raphink: because items in the clean target (dh_clean) are called before the indep b-d
[12:53] <ajmitch> are fulfulled
[12:54] <raphink> hmmm
[12:54] <raphink> so?
[12:55] <ajmitch> so it must be in Build-Depends
[12:55] <JohnnyMast> good i was still awake to read this
[12:55] <JohnnyMast> i changed it back with all do respectraphink
[12:55] <JohnnyMast> **i changed it back with all do respect raphink
[12:56] <raphink> sure JohnnyMast
[12:56] <raphink> :)
[12:56] <raphink> I'm learning everyday :)
[12:56] <raphink> well every hour even
[12:56] <JohnnyMast> raphink same here
[12:56] <JohnnyMast> and i can gues you can even recall me entering here
[12:57] <JohnnyMast> you learn quiite quick here
[12:57] <ajmitch> raphink: I can dig up the threads on debian-devel about it :)
[12:57] <ajmitch> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/12/msg01806.html
[12:57] <raphink> that's ok ajmitch
[12:57] <ajmitch> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/12/msg01805.html
[12:57] <raphink> so that means that when we use cdbs and debhelper with _all_ packages
[12:57] <raphink> we need to have both depends and depends-indep ?
[12:59] <ajmitch> I think so
[12:59] <ajmitch> before we go around changing things I'd better check this out
[12:59] <ajmitch> to make sure I don't give people bad info ;)
[12:59] <raphink> mhm
[01:00] <raphink> well that would mean I'd have to modify some of my packages aswell
[01:00] <ajmitch> sure
[01:00] <ajmitch> I think that functionally it's not a problem, as the buildds work without it :)
[01:00] <ajmitch> otherwise we'd see large archive breakage
[01:00] <raphink> yep
[01:01] <raphink> what are the bugs he's talking about then?
[01:01] <ajmitch> but policy states that Build-Depends for clean target
[01:01] <ajmitch> Build-Depends-Indep doesn't cover the clean target
[01:01] <ajmitch> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=216747
[01:02] <raphink> oh
[01:02] <raphink> that's _if_ you're using debhelper in your clean target
[01:02] <raphink> which is not always the case
[01:02] <raphink> most of the time, we just use rm in the clean target
[01:02] <raphink> not dh_stuff
[01:02] <ajmitch> um
[01:02] <ajmitch> we often use dh_clean
[01:02] <ajmitch> it is very common to use it
[01:02] <raphink> hmm right
[01:02] <raphink> mhm
[01:03] <raphink> and does cdbs use it too?
[01:03] <ajmitch> basically *anything* in the clean: target should be in Build-Depends
[01:03] <ajmitch> yes
[01:03] <raphink> or does cdbs not use debhelper?
[01:03] <JohnnyMast> cdbs uhu
[01:03] <JohnnyMast> t has a debhelper.ml somthing like it
[01:03] <JohnnyMast> (me mixes in the convo sorry)
[01:03] <raphink> debhelper.mk
[01:03] <ajmitch> also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=216492
[01:04] <raphink> which I guess uses dh_clean in clean::
[01:04] <ajmitch> it does
[01:05] <ajmitch> cdbs should be in Build-Depends as well, iirc
[01:05] <raphink> and we have to ignore lintian output on this, then
[01:06] <ajmitch> which is why I want to get it clarified
[01:06] <ajmitch> whether I ignore lintian or not :)
[01:07] <raphink> and seems lintian has to be ignored on this matter
[01:07] <ajmitch> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=339750
[01:07] <ajmitch> same for 321135
[01:08] <raphink> ic
[01:08] <raphink> ok
[01:08] <raphink> so for example, in konq-kim, I have
[01:08] <ajmitch> I can say that packages work & build fine now with just Build-Depends-Indep
[01:08] <raphink> Build-Depends-Indep: debhelper (>> 5), cdbs, docbook2x
[01:08] <ajmitch> it's just not technically 'correct'
[01:08] <raphink> in that case
[01:08] <raphink> debhelper and cdbs should go to build-depends
[01:08] <raphink> and docbook2x stay in -Indep
[01:09] <ajmitch> raphink: afaict, yes :)
[01:09] <raphink> right?
[01:09] <ajmitch> I think so
[01:09] <raphink> shall I add an override file, too?
[01:09] <raphink> hehe
[01:09] <raphink> ok
[01:10] <raphink> ;)
[01:10] <raphink> I don't like override files
[01:10] <raphink> ;)
[01:10] <ajmitch> neither do I, really
[01:11] <raphink> it's like hiding informative things
[01:11] <raphink> if lintian output have to be ignored, then there's no reason to hide them
[01:13] <raphink> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1188
[01:13] <raphink> ;)
[01:15] <raphink> ajmitch: btw, would you have some time to review one or two packages?
[01:15] <raphink> not sure if I asked already :s
[01:16] <ajmitch> not really, sorry
[01:16] <raphink> ok
[01:16] <raphink> np :)
[01:16] <sistpoty> ok, I guess I'll break revu once again, so please don't upload packages atm
[01:20] <ajmitch> btw, when reviewing packages
[01:20] <ajmitch> having a dh_make template full of # dh_... might be grounds for rejection
[01:21] <raphink> good to know
[01:21] <raphink> so we should have people remove their # dh_ from rules ?
[01:21] <ajmitch> they will be rejected in debian, so we can have similar rules here
[01:21] <ajmitch> raphink: yes please
[01:21] <raphink> sure
[01:22] <raphink> :)
[01:22] <raphink> is it ok to keep _useful_ comments in rules though?
[01:22] <ajmitch> I don't like people uploading stuff when they have no idea what the various dh_* programs are
[01:22] <ajmitch> of course!
[01:22] <raphink> like comments explaining the reason of a line?
[01:22] <raphink> :)
[01:22] <raphink> just to be sure :)
[01:22] <ajmitch> this is just for the dh_make boilerplate
[01:22] <raphink> cause I like to comment my scripts
[01:22] <raphink> yes
[01:22] <ajmitch> eg, when you can see that they haven't changed much at all
[01:22] <raphink> just `comments by default made by the auto script'
[01:23] <raphink> yes I understand
[01:23] <ajmitch> just use your judgement on it ;)
[01:23] <raphink> sure
[01:23] <raphink> I'll keep that in mind :)
[01:23] <ajmitch> these should be put on ReviewingTips or PackagingTips
[01:23] <ajmitch> & the mailing list
[01:23] <raphink> I was willing to update the ReviewingTips
[01:23] <raphink> just today
[01:23] <raphink> also with the `debuild && debuild -S' test
[01:23] <ajmitch> we still expect high standards in universe
[01:24] <raphink> checking diff for files not cleaned while building deb
[01:24] <ajmitch> yes
[01:24] <ajmitch> definitely
[01:24] <raphink> and other stuff
[01:24] <raphink> I wanted to list all the stuff to check on a package
[01:24] <sistpoty> grml... revu1... grml... package vanished... grml
[01:24] <raphink> :)
[01:24] <raphink> sistpoty: oops
[01:24] <sistpoty> well, it was only my test package, but it vanished nontheless ;)
[01:24] <ajmitch> sistpoty: breakign things again?
[01:25] <sistpoty> sure ajmitch
[01:25] <ajmitch> yay
[01:25] <ajmitch> raphink: well #dh_... might not be rejection, but at least strong comments ;)
[01:26] <raphink> ok
[01:26] <ajmitch> we'll take it to the list for discussion
[01:26] <raphink> well it's better to avoid them
[01:26] <ajmitch> agree on some reviewing principles
[01:27] <raphink> ajmitch: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReviewingTips
[01:27] <raphink> just added the build test to it
[01:27] <ajmitch> ok
[01:28] <raphink> hmm not very clean
[01:28] <raphink> I'll modify it
[01:28] <ajmitch> warn people to check the rules & makefile before doing that
[01:28] <ajmitch> since some packages install into /usr during build
[01:28] <ajmitch> which is really quite bad
[01:28] <ajmitch> this ought to be automated in pbuilder hooks
[01:28] <raphink> mhm
[01:29] <ajmitch> there's a lot that can go wrong to mess up a reviewer's system :)
[01:30] <raphink> indeed
[01:30] <raphink> we get so many dependencies installed, too
[01:30] <raphink> and just build weird stuff
[01:30] <freeflying> raphink: hi
[01:30] <raphink> ;)
[01:30] <raphink> hehe
[01:30] <raphink> hi freeflying
[01:31] <sistpoty> yay... mail on package upload to revu works
[01:34] <raphink> great :D
[01:34] <raphink> good work sistpoty :)
[01:34] <raphink> you rock ;)
[01:34] <sistpoty> thx :)
[01:34] <raphink> that'll be a great help
[01:35] <sistpoty> now I'm afk for a smoke, and then I guess I'll review a package and test advocating ;)
[01:35] <raphink> which one ?
[01:35] <raphink> ;)
[01:35] <sistpoty> not decided yet ;)
[01:35] <raphink> shall I suggest you one of mine?
[01:35] <raphink> ;)
[01:36] <sistpoty> go ahead...
[01:36] <raphink> I'd suggest http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1171 :)
[02:15] <sistpoty> raphink: knmap looks very good :)
[02:18] <raphink> thanks :)
[02:19] <raphink> you can advocate it if you like it ;)
[02:19] <raphink> hehe
[02:20] <sistpoty> check mail ;)
[02:21] <raphink> ok :)
[02:22] <raphink> no mail :(
[02:22] <sistpoty> hm... are you subscribed to motu-reviewers?
[02:23] <raphink> nope
[02:23] <raphink> coudln't find where
[02:23] <raphink> if you give me the address I will
[02:23] <sistpoty> http://tauware.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/motu-reviewers
[02:23] <raphink> thanks
[02:23] <raphink> I'll will
[02:23] <raphink> later ;)
[02:23] <raphink> IO'm playing now
[02:23] <raphink> ;)
[02:24] <sistpoty> hf
[02:24] <raphink> hehe
[02:24] <raphink> wesnoth :)
[02:24] <raphink> 2vs2
[02:24] <sistpoty> ah
[02:24] <sistpoty> gl
[02:25] <raphink> thanks
[02:27] <sistpoty> raphink: nmap uploaded
[02:27] <sistpoty> knmap even
[02:27] <raphink> ty
[02:27] <raphink> :)
[02:31] <raphink> :)
[02:32] <raphink> it's a nice app
[02:50] <minghua> Riddell: ping
[02:52] <LaserJock> crap, my linux box is going to be replaced with an iMac >:(
[02:53] <minghua> raphink: just FYI, a new hex4ht is in debian incoming right now, version 20051214-1
[02:53] <raphink> good :)
[02:57] <ajmitch> LaserJock: why?
[02:57] <LaserJock> my boss just told me
[02:57] <minghua> does ubuntu NEW queue has a web interface?
[02:57] <LaserJock> I was using my personal machine for work
[02:57] <LaserJock> but now I get a new iMac
[02:58] <Kyral> ....put Ubuntu on it
[02:58] <LaserJock> and I don't think I get to use linux on it
[02:58] <LaserJock> I'll install it anyway
[02:58] <Kyral> bingo
[02:58] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[02:58] <LaserJock> cya sistpoty
[02:58] <minghua> night, sistpoty
[02:58] <Kyral> Tell him its free and will increase your productivity
[02:59] <LaserJock> I guess I can take my Ubuntu box home and ssh in to do packaging, etc.
[02:59] <ajmitch> minghua: no, the NEW queu for ubuntu is generally short, unlike debian
[02:59] <minghua> what I'm looking for is the skim package
[02:59] <minghua> it's labelled as uploaded in REVU
[02:59] <minghua> but I actually have some comments on it
[03:00] <minghua> I wrote a mail to the maintainer and Riddell, but got no replys
[03:00] <minghua> today suddenly it's uploaded
[03:00] <ajmitch> heh
[03:00] <ajmitch> strange
[03:00] <ajmitch> who uploaded it?
[03:00] <minghua> siretart, it seems
[03:01] <minghua> but Riddell gave a advocate
[03:01] <minghua> ajmitch: the bottom, archived bunch
[03:02] <ajmitch> ok
[03:02] <Kyral> hey ajmitch what did you want me to do about those build warnings in EasyChem?
[03:02] <minghua> my biggest concern is that the orig.tar.gz doesn't match with the (proposed) debian one, not even the .orig.tar
[03:03] <ajmitch> Kyral: fix them all ;)
[03:03] <ajmitch> Kyral: well do what you want
[03:03] <Kyral> ajmitch: *hand to face*
[03:03] <Kyral> ajmitch: You assume I know how and what those errors even MEAN
[03:04] <ajmitch> hoepfully if you're packaging it you know the source ;)
[03:05] <Kyral> Not usually lol. If it fails to build then I look at the source :P
[03:05] <ajmitch> these warnings wouldn't cause a build failure on i386
[03:05] <ajmitch> maybe a segfault when you run the program, on amd64
[03:06] <ajmitch> *maybe*
[03:06] <Kyral> yah all I saw the "String length is too big" or something, how the heck am I supposed to handle that? I didn't even know strings had a size limit
[03:06] <ajmitch> no, the other ones
[03:06] <ajmitch> the pointer warnings
[03:06] <Kyral> ...I didn't even see those
[03:06] <ajmitch> generally indicates less-than-optimal casting
[03:07] <Kyral> ah
[03:07] <Kyral> I try to get mine to compile without warnings
[03:07] <ajmitch> bmonty: because older compilers didn't throw those warnings
[03:08] <Kyral> barring the pain in the ass "no final newline" thing
[03:08] <bmonty> ajmitch: I've seen lots of packages that throw warnings regardless of the compiler version
[03:08] <jamessan> Kyral: any proper editor will make sure that newline exists
[03:10] <bmonty> BTW, latest make package solves the problem with cbds
[03:12] <crimsun> yeah, adam reverted that several days ago
[03:12] <Kyral> Okay suddenly REVU won't load for me
[03:13] <bmonty> works for me
[03:13] <Kyral> I think my Torrents are going too fast...
[03:15] <LaserJock> is there much needed in the way of packaging for PPC? will I be able to do the same packaging?
[03:17] <ajmitch> crimsun: newer make was synced after that
[03:17] <ajmitch> LaserJock: it should be identical
[03:17] <ajmitch> LaserJock: since all the packages we build are for ppc & amd64 as well
[03:17] <LaserJock> ajmitch: really, that would be a relief, I've never used a mac before.
[03:18] <Kyral> lol
[03:18] <LaserJock> I am starting to freak out ;-)
[03:18] <hub> minghua: why>
[03:19] <LaserJock> minghua: yeah, but I still want to help out and be a MOTU some day
[03:19] <hub> LaserJock: you can make package on PPC
[03:19] <hub> no problem
[03:19] <hub> since you make the source package
[03:19] <LaserJock> ok, cool
[03:20] <LaserJock> maybe I can calm down a bit. My universe might not be collapsing
[03:20] <ajmitch> you wouldn't really be able to tell it was a mac
[03:20] <ajmitch> except for the crappy mouse :)
[03:20] <LaserJock> lol
[03:20] <minghua> hub: mostly because of the multimedia stuff, in my experience
[03:21] <minghua> hub: my experience with OS X is very good, it usually "just works" as long as no Chinese is involved
[03:21] <LaserJock> well, I think I might have to stay with OSX and vnc or ssh to home or something
[03:21] <LaserJock> no Chinese here
[03:22] <imnes> I downloaded a packages source, made some modifications, built and installed it.  Now the update-manager always shows the package needing to be updated (even though both my biuld and the original ubuntu build show the same version number)
[03:22] <imnes> How can I fix it?
[03:22] <LaserJock> change the version number
[03:23] <hub> minghua: it is not free
[03:23] <LaserJock> hub: well I don't have to pay for it so ...
[03:24] <hub> LaserJock: free as in speech
[03:24] <hub> show me the source
[03:24] <LaserJock> true
[03:25] <LaserJock> course if it all works I don't care so much because I will still be working on Ubuntu too
[03:28] <LaserJock> the thing that gets me is that my boss was the one that got me going on linux in the first place
[03:29] <minghua> hub: can't argue with that :-)  I am a student in science major though, so freeness isn't really that important to me
[03:29] <minghua> hub: mathematica, just as an example
[03:30] <Kyral> Freedom is good
[03:30] <hub> minghua: well it is illegal to copy software if the license does not allow
[03:30] <Kyral> but I'm not afraid to shatter an unjust license :D
[03:30] <hub> minghua: and MacOS X license does not
[03:30] <minghua> hub: my OS X is perfectly legal
[03:30] <LaserJock> minghua: LabView, there's another good one from the experimentalists world
[03:31] <hub> minghua: so you paid it
[03:31] <hub> minghua: with the machine
[03:31] <hub> and the upgrade you'll have to pay it too
[03:31] <LaserJock> yep
[03:31] <minghua> hub: yes, that's why i say "not a better choice for iMac", as you already paid for OS X
[03:32] <Kyral> You are locked into paying
[03:32] <minghua> hub: yes, that's the reason I'm still using Panther.  and I understand your pain (I read your blog about porting abiword to OS X)
[03:32] <minghua> hub: btw thank you for abiword
[03:34] <Kyral> hub ported Abiword to OSX?
[03:34] <hub> Kyral: yep. sometime agi
[03:34] <hub> ago
[03:34] <Kyral> Rock on hub :D
[03:35] <Kyral> Now I can tell my friends who use OSX to not use MS Office and use Abiword :D
[03:35] <hub> not yet
[03:36] <hub> it has some serious issues
[03:36] <Kyral> ah
[03:36] <Kyral> oh well
[03:36] <desrt> Kyral; much better... give them an ubuntu/ppc cd
[03:36] <Kyral> Rock on anyway :D
[03:36] <LaserJock> yeah, that is the other reason my boss likes OSX, there as so many people using Office that it is much easier to give in than fight it
[03:36] <Kyral> desrt: My OSX friends have the superiority complex that seems to infect some OS X users
[03:37] <desrt> Kyral; and i have the one that infects ubuntu users :)
[03:37] <LaserJock> lol
[03:37] <Kyral> desrt: lol
[03:37] <desrt> explain to them that they can switch without losing their complex :)
[03:38] <minghua> LaserJock: go buy a copy of crossover office? ;-)
[03:38] <LaserJock> heck no
[03:38] <Kyral> no no no
[03:39] <Kyral> OpenOffice!
[03:39] <LaserJock> but the iMac will have Office on it so...
[03:40] <LaserJock> I guess on the bright side, I will get to use the cool genie effect thingy (expose or something)
[03:40] <hub> minghua: crossover does not work on PPC
[03:40] <desrt> hub; qemu
[03:41] <hub> desrt: lol
[03:41] <minghua> hub: I know.  I didn't mean that.  I meant "if you want to be compatible with all other office people, what about using linux and crossover instead of buying os x?"
[03:41] <desrt> oh man i hate it when ubuntu-desktop is uninstallable
[03:41] <LaserJock> I am sooo glad I recently got DSL at home, at least I should be able to ssh to my home computer
[03:42] <Kyral> I <3 Broadband
[03:42] <minghua> especially you need to pay extra for ms office on OS X (at least when I bought my iBook)
[03:42] <hub> minghua: OpenOffice is actually a better bet... and AbiWord
[03:42] <LaserJock> we have a university site license
[03:43] <Kyral> I actually have to customize the OpenAFS Client package for the COSI
[03:44] <minghua> hub: you mean for writing your own documents, or reading others' .doc?
[03:44] <LaserJock> ok, I gotta get home. I guess I feel a little better about this whole iMac thing
[03:44] <LaserJock> cya all
[03:44] <hub> minghua: both
[03:44] <Kyral> cya LJ
[03:44] <minghua> while I more or less agree on the former, the latter is definitely not the case
[03:45] <LaserJock> to think I was going to have him get me a AMD64. darn!
[03:45] <Kyral> I can use debian/postinst to do all modifications to config files right?
[03:57] <crimsun> would someone running Dapper with dev tools installed give me the output from: pkg-config "--atleast-version=2.4.0" "gtk+-2.0" ; echo $?
[03:57] <crimsun> (please have libgtk2.0-dev installed)
[04:01] <crimsun> ok, resolved it. Thanks.
[04:01] <crimsun> Apparently there's a missing dependency on libxdmcp-dev.
[04:02] <hub> crimsun: I got that too when building
[04:03] <hub> crimsun: pkg-config require it
[04:03] <hub> and it is not there
[04:03] <hub> so there is a missing dependency
[04:04] <crimsun> hub: yeah, I see a related bug on libgtk2.0-dev: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=326199
[04:15] <crimsun> what the.
[04:15] <crimsun> Rejected: md5sum for
[04:15] <crimsun> +/srv/ftp.no-name-yet.com/ftp/pool/universe/x/xfmedia/xfmedia_0.9.1.orig.tar.gz
[04:15] <crimsun> +doesn't match xfmedia_0.9.1-1ubuntu1.dsc
[04:15] <crimsun> there's no reference to the orig.tar.gz in the dsc
[04:19] <crimsun> something's amiss in the cogs, because "/srv/ftp.no-name-yet.com/ftp/" makes no sense
[04:21] <raphink> pfiew
[04:21] <raphink> 4:20AM
[04:21] <raphink> good time to go to bed after a wesnoth game of more than 2 hours
[04:21] <crimsun> wesnoth in dapper? :)
[04:22] <raphink> yes
[04:22] <raphink> :)
[04:22] <crimsun> cool
[04:22] <jamessan> crimsun: why wouldn't the orig be referenced in the dsc?
[04:22] <raphink> 2vs2 on the official servers
[04:22] <raphink> that was a nice game
[04:22] <raphink> very nice and long game
[04:23] <crimsun> jamessan: because I didn't pass -sa to dpkg-genchanges?
[04:23] <raphink> and no one knew who was gonna win
[04:23] <raphink> till about the 10 minutes before the end
[04:23] <raphink> :)
[04:25] <jamessan> crimsun: just because you're not including the orig in the upload doesn't mean it shouldn't be mentioned in the dsc.
[04:26] <crimsun> this error just makes no sense
[04:27] <jamessan> that happened to me once before.  I just grabbed a new orig.tar.gz and rebuilt the package.  never did figure out what happened to alter the md5sum
[04:34] <raphink> http://www.kde-look.org/
[04:34] <raphink> :'(
[04:34] <raphink> and before it starts jokes on KDE : http://www.kde-look.org/
[04:34] <raphink> http://www.gnome-look.org/
[04:35] <raphink> :'(
[04:38] <raphink> I'm heading to bed
[04:38] <raphink> good night
[04:38] <crimsun> 'night
[04:38] <raphink> :)
[09:17] <dholbach> good morning motus
[09:18] <ajmitch> morning :)
[09:19] <Treenaks> ajmitch: nvidia-glx?
[09:19] <Treenaks> ajmitch: evolution?
[09:20] <ajmitch> nah
[09:20] <ajmitch> well nvidia-glx is here
[09:20] <ajmitch> but it's an older one that doesn't tend to leak all voer
[09:21] <ajmitch> various things like e-d-s, apache, mysql, etc
[09:21] <ajmitch> they all add up
[09:21] <Treenaks> they do?!
[09:21] <Treenaks> ;)
[09:21] <ajmitch> 271 processes
[09:22] <Treenaks> 142 here, and 2GB of RAM, and amd64
[09:22] <ajmitch> I closed muine earlier, it was up > 150MB
[09:22] <ajmitch> only 1GB RAM
[09:22] <ajmitch> I've got both apache & apache2 running, for various reasons
[09:22] <ajmitch> as well as zope
[09:23] <lifeless> azeem: package some plugins!
[10:11] <siretart> morning
[10:12] <ajmitch> morning siretart
[10:12] <siretart> ajmitch: did I do something wrong with skim?
[10:12] <ajmitch> not that I know of
[10:12] <siretart> there is a hilight in my backlog..
[10:12] <siretart> ok
[10:12] <ajmitch> you'd have to ask minghua
[10:12] <siretart> Yes, I uploaded it, since I considered it fine for universe
[10:13] <ajmitch> he said he still had some questions
[10:15] <ajmitch> yay, another sync
[10:15] <siretart> ajmitch: did you read my rants on -project?
[10:15] <ajmitch> nope
[10:15] <ajmitch> I haven't been reading that list
[10:15] <siretart> svenl said I was too rude..
[10:16] <siretart> what should I think now of him? ;)
[10:16] <ajmitch> were they good rants?
[10:16] <siretart> it was more of a misunderstanding
[10:16] <siretart> he was implying that we motus were instructed NOT to use debbugs
[10:16] <ajmitch> oh right
[10:17] <siretart> for contributing back patches
[10:18] <ajmitch> well it's a debian list
[10:18] <ajmitch> some amount of rudeness is expected ;)
[10:18] <siretart> yes, i've been watching debian lists for a while now
[10:19] <ajmitch> http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2005/12/msg00122.html <-- that one about 'official policy not to use the BTS'?
[10:19] <ajmitch> crackful
[10:19] <ajmitch> I think it's about attaching a patch rather than linking it
[10:20] <siretart> which seems to piss a lot of DDs of, having to use an ubuntu apache rather than having the patches in their inbox
[10:20] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:20] <siretart> ajmitch: excatly. my rants began in that subthread
[10:20] <ajmitch> I'm reading the discussion on the utnubu list as well
[10:20] <ajmitch> and I'm reading your -project rants :)
[10:21] <ajmitch> I think there's some misunderstanding on both sides here
[10:21] <siretart> right, it got X-posted to utnubu
[10:21] <siretart> this emailing of comments by revu seem really handy
[10:21] <ajmitch> certainly
[10:22] <ajmitch> I think package subscriptions will be handy for revu2 (and part of launchpad eventually :) )
[10:22] <siretart> that would be revu3 ;)
[10:23] <siretart> http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/ipodslave-0512160300/ipodslave-0.7.1/debian/ipodslave-dev.install
[10:23] <siretart> me is confused about the debian/tmp/usr/lib/lib*.so
[10:23] <siretart> why should an .so go to a -dev package?
[10:23] <ajmitch> policy ;)
[10:23] <ajmitch> well it's because the .so is only used for linking
[10:23] <ajmitch> since it has no version info in the name
[10:23] <siretart> oh.
[10:24] <ajmitch> see library packaging guide for gory details
[10:24] <siretart> I remeber vaguely
[10:24] <ajmitch> executables always look for .so.X at runtime
[10:25] <ajmitch> the .so is just a symlink
[10:28] <azeem> lifeless: dude, I tried to sync my phone with multisync-0.8x again last night
[10:28] <azeem> lifeless: I feel the pain, so I'll get to packaging RSN :)
[10:28] <azeem> lifeless: can you put up the opensync source package you uploaded to NEW somewhere?
[10:35] <ajmitch> hi minghua
[10:36] <minghua> hi ajmitch
[10:37] <ajmitch> siretart was wondering if he'd done something wrong with skim? :)
[10:37] <minghua> I'm not supposed to be here...  I woke up in the midnight because I was too hungry
[10:37] <ajmitch> hehe
[10:38] <ajmitch> we won't tell
[10:38] <minghua> ajmitch: no, not really, the package was generally fine
[10:38] <minghua> ajmitch: what really surprised me is Riddell advocating it without even an answer to my mail
[10:38] <ajmitch> I've been so slack with merges lately
[10:39] <siretart> minghua: yeah, freeflying asked me in an email to review and advocate it. he waited so long, so I had another look
[10:40] <minghua> hi siretart, you are here!
[10:40] <siretart> minghua: yes, I woke eventually up :)
[10:40] <minghua> siretart: I can send you the mail I sent to freeflying and Riddell about the comments on skim, want it?
[10:41] <ajmitch> hm, pycaml looks syncable
[10:41] <ajmitch> yay
[10:41] <ajmitch> maybe not, build-deps might need changed ;)
[10:41] <siretart> minghua: well, why not
[10:42] <asbin> hi all
[10:42] <minghua> siretart<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:42] <ajmitch> hi asbin
[10:42] <siretart> hello asbin
[10:42] <siretart> minghua: right
[10:42] <siretart> hm.
[10:42] <siretart> why is my sound broken?
[10:42] <asbin> siretart: I've just uploaded ushare package on revu ;)
[10:43] <minghua> siretart: mail bounced
[10:43] <siretart> asbin: cool
[10:45] <ajmitch> minghua: great!
[10:45] <minghua> good news in a hungry and cold night
[10:46] <ajmitch> siretart: this mail for revu is great! :)
[10:46] <ajmitch> now I can see new uploads
[10:47] <ajmitch> instead of looking at a very very long list
[10:47] <siretart> yes
[10:47] <siretart> and you get every upload
[10:47] <siretart> not just new ones. but I think they are marked
[10:48] <ajmitch> yep
[10:49] <ajmitch> asbin: ushare has debian/ in the upstream tarball?
[10:51] <ajmitch> sigh
[10:51] <ajmitch> broken pbuilder again
[10:51] <ajmitch> Fetched 5697kB in 1m19s (71.8kB/s)
[10:51] <ajmitch> Failed to fetch http://<IP_ADDRESS>:9999/ubuntu/dists/dapper/multiverse/source/Sources.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[10:51] <ajmitch> this happens too often
[10:56] <ajmitch> asbin: I'd suggest you don't have the "(asbin ;-] )" bit in debian/control
[10:56] <ajmitch> it may even confuse some programs
[10:57] <ajmitch> admittedly there are a lot of packages that do have Name (comment) <email>
[11:25] <StevenK> I wish I was motivated.
[11:26] <StevenK> I could be packaging PoCo::Ident, or merging wnn6-sdk for Dapper.
[11:33] <ajmitch> I think I'll choose another option, and go & sleep
[11:33] <ajmitch> night all
[11:33] <minghua> ajmitch: good night
[11:36] <siretart> gn8 ajmitch!
[11:38] <Tonio_> hi guys
[11:38] <Tonio_> what would do with that lintian error ?
[11:38] <Tonio_> W: kompile: extended-description-line-too-long
[11:38] <Tonio_> problem is due to that line :
[11:39] <Tonio_> Homepage: http://www.brainspace.it/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10&Itemid=24
[11:39] <Tonio_> I can't splut it or remove the line so........
[11:39] <Tonio_> s/splut/split
[11:40] <minghua> Tonio_: how many spaces do you have before that line?
[11:40] <minghua> Tonio_: in any case run lintian with -i option will give you a better idea
[11:50] <Tonio_> minghua: the problem is just that the url is to long....
[11:51] <Tonio_> no need to investigate... the problem is what to do in that case ?
[11:51] <Tonio_> ignoring lintian's error ?
[11:51] <Tonio_> removing the homepage from debian/control ?
[11:51] <minghua> Tonio_: yes I can see that, I just wonder if having two spaces before the line (which makes it verbose, without linebreaks) would help
[11:52] <minghua> or making it not verbose would help (but that seems against the policy)
[11:52] <Tonio_> yep
[11:52] <Tonio_> I can hack lintian on that point
[11:52] <Tonio_> but that's not clean at all....
[11:53] <Tonio_> I will ask to Riddell what he would do ;)
[11:53] <Tonio_> he revued to know because of that, so I assume he has a solution ;)
[11:55] <ogra> Tonio_, dont put the url in the description
[11:55] <ogra> it should already be in copyright anyway
[11:55] <Tonio_> ?
[11:56] <Tonio_> ogra: I would agree, but Ipersonnally received a few NO advocates because of that...
[11:56] <Tonio_> it is not against the policy, but onsidered as required by MOTUS...
[11:57] <Tonio_> well, if a reviewer can confirm he would put a YES in that case, I'll do it ;)
[11:57] <ogra> i dont understand ? who of MOTU requests you to put urls in the description ?
[11:58] <ogra> in any case a to long description line violates the policy ...
[11:58] <ogra> thats why lintian complains ...
[11:59] <ogra> an delmo wouldnt approve it for the archive ...
[12:00] <Tonio_> ogra, I'll do it and eventually explain the reason it is not there in the changelog
[12:00] <ogra> no need to
[12:00] <ogra> there is no need to put urls in te description
[12:01] <ogra> and since that url should be in the copyright file anyway, all is fine
[12:01] <Tonio_> ogra: in theory but on revu, a package who doesn't have homepage in control gets a no from most of the MOTUS....
[12:01] <Tonio_> want to see an example ?
[12:01] <ogra> yes please, i'd like who requests that
[12:01] <ogra> s/lik7/like to know
[12:01] <Tonio_> let me check and give you a few urls :)
[12:02] <ogra> dholbach, ??? ^^^
[12:02] <Tonio_> revu is a terrible mess, so give me 10 minutes
[12:02] <Tonio_> not sure, but I think Daniel requests that yes...
[12:02] <dholbach> ogra: ?
[12:02] <Tonio_> but I don't want to say without beeing sure
[12:02] <Tonio_> hi dholbach ;)
[12:03] <ogra> dholbach, we require urls for pacages in the description now ?
[12:03] <dholbach> not require
[12:03] <dholbach> but i think it's nice to have
[12:03] <ogra> sure it is, but thats no reason to reject a package
[12:03] <Tonio_> dholbach: I personnally already received NO just because of that, so....
[12:03] <ogra> especially if they break policy then
[12:04] <dholbach> ogra: the policy?
[12:04] <Tonio_> well, in any case, I will remove the url from that package
[12:04] <Tonio_> dholbach: the url is too long
[12:04] <ogra> dholbach, what do you do with such urls :
[12:04] <ogra> http://www.brainspace.it/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10&Itemid=24
[12:04] <dholbach> Tonio_: then remove
[12:04] <Tonio_> and causes a lintian warning
[12:04] <dholbach> ogra: what do you mean?
[12:04] <Tonio_> dholbach: okay, and no need to explain why it isn't there ?
[12:05] <dholbach> ogra: it's nice to be able to run apt-cache show <package> and look at the homepage, if anything goes wrong or i'm more interested in it - quite a lot of packages do it
[12:05] <Tonio_> problem is that certain MOTU wouldn't advocate for that....
[12:05] <ogra> dholbach, it cant go conform with policy if you require such a long url in the description
[12:05] <dholbach> Tonio_: we shouldn't make it a requirement
[12:05] <dholbach> ogra: please read what i said before
[12:05] <ogra> its a nice to have, i agree
[12:06] <Tonio_> okay, so I have the solution, I'm gonna remove the homepage from the file
[12:06] <Tonio_> thanks ogra, dholbach ;)
[12:06] <ogra> but a descriptive description is more important, and the url should be in the copyright already
[12:07] <Tonio_> ho dholbach since your there, I have to contact elmo concerning pwmanager
[12:07] <Tonio_> gonna do it today
[12:07] <dholbach> cool
[12:07] <dholbach> so we finally get it in :)
[12:08] <Tonio_> I am more motivated that never ;)
[12:08] <Tonio_> problems resolved, so everything's okay
[12:09] <dholbach> Tonio_: i'm glad to hear that
[12:09] <Tonio_> ho dholbach also
[12:09] <Tonio_> I had a problem with some packages
[12:10] <Tonio_> makefine.in in src when using MOC doesn't find .h files
[12:10] <dholbach> i have no idea, how moc works, sorry :/
[12:10] <Tonio_> it is a problem with path
[12:10] <Tonio_> not with moc
[12:10] <Tonio_> path to header files isn't good...
[12:11] <Tonio_> is patching the makefine.in a good way to proceed ?
[12:11] <minghua> okay, I think my stomach is happy enough to let me sleep again
[12:11] <Tonio_> it is functionnal, but I find the way dirty.....
[12:11] <dholbach> Tonio_: it depends, what is the error message?
[12:11] <Tonio_> dholbach: bla.h no file or directory
[12:11] <Tonio_> with the correct path it works
[12:12] <dholbach> shouldnt that be patched somewhere in the source?
[12:12] <dholbach> rather than Makefile.in?
[12:12] <Tonio_> nope
[12:12] <Tonio_> let me show you the patch....
[12:12] <Tonio_> dholbach: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/klibido-0512152120/klibido-<IP_ADDRESS>/debian/patches/kubuntu_03_fix_missing_header_files_using_MOC.patch
[12:13] <Tonio_> in fact the .h files are search in obj-linux directory, while they are not copied
[12:13] <Tonio_> and stay in the temp/package/src
[12:13] <dholbach> wow, that looks like buildsystem-on-crack :)
[12:13] <Tonio_> dholbach: I told you it was dirty lol
[12:14] <Tonio_> the problem is that I don't know what lse can I do
[12:14] <dholbach> have a look if you can't set a default dir to look in
[12:14] <Tonio_> the files are searched in obj-i386-linux
[12:14] <dholbach> and maybe ask riddell, the kde-buidsystem-meister
[12:14] <Tonio_> hum..........
[12:14] <Tonio_> a kind of path variable for header files ?
[12:14] <Riddell> hmm?
[12:14] <dholbach> yeah something
[12:15] <dholbach> maybe in configure.*
[12:15] <Tonio_> I have two packages that have exactly the same problem
[12:18] <Tonio_> dholbach: in that statement, is that advocatable ?
[12:18] <Tonio_> just to define priority in my packages ;)
[12:19] <dholbach> Tonio_: someone who can judge kde buildsystems should have a look at it
[12:19] <dholbach> it doesnt look earth-shatteringly stupid
[12:22] <Tonio_> dholbach: and of course if ti builds correctly with the next version I will remove the package so...
[12:22] <Tonio_> will remove IT FROM the package ;)
[12:24] <dholbach> yeah
[12:28] <siretart> asbin: are you by chance also upstream of ushare?
[12:29] <siretart> asbin: better release without that debian/ dir in the orig.tar.gz, so that all packaging related stuff remains in diff.gz
[12:30] <Tonio_> siretart: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1194
[12:31] <Tonio_> siretart: I finaly corrected the .sh file in /usr/bin
[12:31] <Tonio_> patch sent to upstream, I'm waiting for a response
[12:35] <siretart> Tonio_: I'm building it now
[12:35] <Tonio_> k
[12:40] <siretart> Tonio_: the orig.tar.gz does not seem to match the upstream tarball
[12:40] <siretart> Tonio_: why?
[12:42] <Tonio_> siretart: noted in the changelog
[12:42] <Tonio_> cvs dir in admin
[12:42] <Tonio_> .cvsignore file to remove
[12:42] <siretart> ah, sorry
[12:42] <Tonio_> and a build system that causes a mess to build with pbuilder :)
[12:43] <Tonio_> so I simply took the klamav subfolder and rebuilt the tarball from that
[12:43] <siretart> ok
[12:44] <siretart> advocated
[12:44] <siretart> lunchtime now, cu later
[12:44] <Tonio_> cool ;)
[12:44] <Tonio_> good lunch
[01:06] <\sh> moins
[01:12] <slomo> hi \sh :)
[01:29] <\sh> lol
[01:29] <\sh> http://mtaylor.be/photos/albums/userpics/10002/Scene_1_AMD_Duron_Vaporizing_final_divx_lq1.avi
[01:41] <slomo> \sh: rofl... i should try this with my old athlon =)
[01:42] <siretart> huhu \sh, hi slomo
[01:42] <slomo> hi siretart :)
[01:42] <\sh> slomo: it's faked btw...
[01:46] <dholbach> ouch
[01:48] <raphink> guys am I wrong or shouldn't upgrades of package in main be in REVU?
[01:51] <Nafallo> REVU is for MOTUs
[01:52] <Nafallo> MOTUs is for Universe/Multiverse :-)
[01:54] <siretart> GRR
[01:54] <siretart> now I know what broke my sound
[01:54] <Treenaks> pitti?
[01:54] <siretart> how to I define in new world oder which is my primary alsa soundcard?
[01:54] <siretart> no my shitty onboard chip gets as card0
[01:55] <ogra> siretart, you should be able to select the output device in the desktop settings ...
[01:55] <siretart> ogra: does it become then card0 or do I just choose there which card I want to use?
[01:56] <ogra> you just choose
[01:56] <siretart> I need to make my sblive as card0
[01:56] <ogra> open system->settings->audio
[01:56] <siretart> because of some legacy apps
[01:56] <raphink> that's what I thought Nafallo
[01:56] <ogra> there is a selector
[01:56] <raphink> there's this upgrade of gcompris in the list right now
[01:56] <raphink> although gcompris is main
[01:56] <raphink> where should this guy go?
[01:56] <siretart> ogra: default soundcard is empty for me
[01:56] <ogra> then thats wrong
[01:57] <siretart> ogra: I cannot select anything
[01:57] <ogra> raphink, ^^^
[01:57] <ogra> siretart, poke pitti ...
[01:57] <raphink> hi ogra
[01:57] <ogra> raphink, gcompris in REVU is definately wrong ...
[01:58] <raphink> ogra: I mean what should I tell this guy to do?
[01:58] <ogra> that its in main
[01:58] <raphink> sure
[01:58] <ogra> and will be synced next week from debian anyway
[01:58] <raphink> :)
[01:58] <raphink> oh ok :)
[01:58] <raphink> good
[01:59] <raphink> I'll tell him that
[01:59] <ogra> usually there are no ubuntu specific changes, i work tight with gcompris upstream ...
[02:00] <ogra> so whats in debian most likely works fine for us ...
[02:03] <raphink> ok
[02:03] <raphink> I've commented and archived
[02:04] <siretart> thanks for archiving
[02:04] <ogra> raphink, thanks for caring :)
[02:04] <raphink> I do'nt manage to keep my house clean
[02:04] <raphink> but I do my best to keep REVU clean ;)
[02:04] <raphink> hehe
[02:04] <raphink> hehe
[02:05] <raphink> message received on motu-reviewers :)
[02:05] <kos_tom> hi
[02:05] <kos_tom> siretart: hi
[02:05] <raphink> sistpoty's system works fine :)
[02:05] <raphink> hi kos_tom
[02:05] <kos_tom> siretart: I just received a mail from raphink telling me that uploading GCompris to Revu was a mistake ...
[02:05] <kos_tom> raphink: hi !
[02:05] <siretart> kos_tom: hey
[02:05] <raphink> wow that was fast kos_tom ;)
[02:05] <siretart> kos_tom: ogra is here
[02:05] <raphink> I just sent it
[02:05] <raphink> like 20 seconds ago
[02:05] <siretart> kos_tom: 13:59:49 < ogra> usually there are no ubuntu specific changes, i work tight with gcompris upstream ...
[02:06] <ogra> kos_tom, gcompris is in main
[02:08] <asbin> I'm back, sorry ;)
[02:08] <asbin> siretart : I'm one of the developpers of ushare
[02:09] <siretart> ogra: he needs a new upstream of gcompris for his school I think
[02:09] <asbin> You suggest to not include the debian/ dir in the tarball ? why ?
[02:09] <siretart> ogra: so he packaged a new upstream version
[02:09] <siretart> asbin: because of separation of concerns
[02:09] <siretart> asbin: upstream work is upstream work, and packaging is packaging
[02:09] <kos_tom> siretart: yep, exactly. Actually, it's not for my school, but for one school ;)
[02:09] <ogra> there is nothing newer than 7.0
[02:10] <asbin> yes, but I want to have debian dir in the repository
[02:10] <kos_tom> and upstream really likes when new versions are packaged fastly.
[02:11] <siretart> asbin: do you know svn-buildpackage?
[02:11] <siretart> asbin: it's a great tool
[02:11] <ogra> oh, there is, i just see i got a notification mail
[02:11] <asbin> this package is maintained by arch, is there a tla-buildpackage ?
[02:11] <ogra> kos_tom, are you fine with 7.1 ?
[02:12] <kos_tom> ogra: personnally, I don't care. Users care. 7.2 has new activities, new administration functionalities, etc.
[02:12] <ogra> kos_tom, could you ask debian to package 7.2 then ?
[02:13] <ogra> i wont introduce big changes from debian if possible if we have to support the app for 3 years in dapper
[02:13] <kos_tom> the problem is that users see the release announce, which announces new shiny features, so users wants the new version. Then they ask the upstream developer... but he can't do much, it is not possible to maintain packages for all distributions.
[02:13] <ogra> i'll sync 7.1 asap from debian
[02:13] <kos_tom> I think Yann (from Debian) will soon upload a new version
[02:13] <ogra> yup, then its fine ...
[02:14] <ogra> i just want to keep the delta to debian small for dapper, gcompris is an essential bit of edubuntu
[02:15] <asbin> siretart: I found arch-buildpackage, I will try it ;)
[02:18] <ogra> twice as far away ?
[02:24] <siretart> asbin: :)
[02:25] <asbin> siretart: I will try tla-buildpackage in fact ;)
[02:33] <siretart> /dev/mapper/vg00-data00 1,5T  129M  1,4T   1% /mnt
[02:33] <siretart> this is fun :)
[02:44] <raphink> haha
[03:29] <azeem> amoll: so are those ALL CAPS in BALL a design choice (like in your control; Package: BALLVIEW), or is this some legacy from having it on a DOS file system or so?
[04:27] <siretart> asbin: oh, if you are using tla, then using that is really really handy
[04:28] <siretart> asbin: basically then use the config feature auf tla: you keep the upstream source and the debian/ dir in different branches and use configs to construct them
[04:28] <siretart> asbin: {arch,tla}-buildpackage are 'just' automating the workflow
[04:28] <asbin> siretart: ok
[04:29] <asbin> siretart: I don't know the config feature of tla, what is it ?
[04:29] <siretart> asbin: tla has some command 'buildcfg' (I'm not exactly sure how it is called)
[04:30] <siretart> asbin: it expects a simple textfile as parameter, which states line by line which branch of your repository should be mounted where
[04:33] <asbin> siretart: ok, I will chek out some examples
[04:34] <asbin> siretart: Or I can just make the releases without the debian directory, and use it just for building the package ?
[04:34] <siretart> asbin: exactly that's what I'm asking you to do
[05:21] <\sh> TheMuso: ping
[05:22] <\sh> lets rock a bit
[05:25] <dholbach> TheMuso: i guess he's asleep
[05:31] <\sh> I need a translation
[05:31] <\sh> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/partimage/+bug/5384
[05:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5384: partimage: merge new debian version In: partimage (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5384
[05:32] <raphink> ok then here
[05:32] <raphink> slomo: could you advocate http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1163 again please?
[05:33] <\sh> ok...just understand
[05:33] <slomo> raphink: already almost done :P
[05:33] <raphink> already almost done ?
[05:33] <raphink> hehe
[05:34] <slomo> yes, i only needed to login again and click on advocate ;)
[05:34] <raphink> hehe ok :)
[05:34] <raphink> thanks
[05:38] <raphink> Riddell: when you have time, could you have a look at kyamo ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1105
[05:39] <Riddell> "when you have time"  that's the tricky bit :)
[05:39] <raphink> hehe
[05:39] <raphink> well ignore it then
[05:39] <raphink> can you please review it?
[05:41] <Riddell> yes, I'll try to do it today, keep pesterin me if I don't
[05:42] <raphink> ok :)
[05:42] <raphink> thanks
[05:44] <Kyral> I love being home
[05:44] <Kyral> I can take as long showers as I want without people bitching at me
[06:01] <raphink> hehe
[06:01] <JohnnyMast> hi !
[06:01] <raphink> hi JohnnyMast
[06:02] <JohnnyMast> aah raphink i was looking for you
[06:02] <raphink> oh really?
[06:02] <JohnnyMast> yeah
[06:02] <raphink> well I was at home ;)
[06:02] <raphink> just come and knock I'm there ;)
[06:02] <JohnnyMast> same here :p
[06:02] <JohnnyMast> * Make a patch for ttb.desktop to add GenericName entrie(s) to it, accordingly to the freedesktop.org standards.
[06:03] <raphink> hehe
[06:03] <raphink> yes but I was not looking for you
[06:03] <raphink> yep
[06:03] <JohnnyMast> could you explain me that point?
[06:03] <raphink>  .desktop files need to contain GenericName entries
[06:03] <raphink> I'll show you
[06:03] <JohnnyMast> Names[nl]
[06:04] <raphink> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/466751
[06:04] <raphink> this is the patch I've done for Knmap's desktop file
[06:04] <raphink> adding GenericName and Categories
[06:05] <JohnnyMast> checking ..
[06:05] <raphink> in your case, Categories is present so you don't need to patch that
[06:05] <raphink> GenericName is the short description of the app that can be used in the menus
[06:05] <JohnnyMast> Comment[xx]  is something that can be left out
[06:06] <JohnnyMast> as been found on line 7
[06:06] <raphink> probably
[06:06] <JohnnyMast> you can add it like
[06:06] <JohnnyMast> Comment:
[06:06] <JohnnyMast> or
[06:06] <JohnnyMast> comment=
[06:06] <raphink> yes, I've seen it
[06:06] <JohnnyMast> thats the generic comment
[06:06] <raphink> hmm no
[06:06] <JohnnyMast> but i dont need it
[06:06] <JohnnyMast> its a dutch app
[06:07] <raphink> so what?
[06:07] <JohnnyMast> the comment in mine
[06:07] <JohnnyMast> is already in english
[06:07] <raphink> you can put GenericName and GenericName[nl]
[06:07] <JohnnyMast> hmm thats a good point
[06:08] <JohnnyMast> ok next thing, the man pages its required right?
[06:08] <raphink> yes
[06:08] <raphink> in Debian policy
[06:08] <raphink> all binaries must have manpages
[06:08] <JohnnyMast> yes litnian warned about it
[06:09] <JohnnyMast> well not all just /usr entry`s
[06:09] <raphink> ;)
[06:09] <JohnnyMast> and /bin and /sbin
[06:09] <raphink> you can use docbook2x to create it easily
[06:09] <raphink> yes
[06:09] <JohnnyMast> apt-get install docbook2x ?
[06:09] <raphink> well rather docbook2x in the Build-Depends
[06:09] <raphink> ;)
[06:09] <raphink> have a look at the knmap package
[06:10] <raphink> let me find it
[06:10] <raphink> http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/knmap-0512141825/knmap-1.0/debian/
[06:10] <raphink> there
[06:10] <JohnnyMast> ok
[06:10] <raphink> there's knmap.1.docbook
[06:10] <JohnnyMast> thanks
[06:10] <raphink> that contains the xml to generate the manpages
[06:10] <raphink> then you need dependencies in control
[06:11] <raphink> and rules in rules ;)
[06:11] <raphink> to create and clean the files
[06:11] <JohnnyMast> hmm
[06:11] <JohnnyMast> hold a sec
[06:11] <raphink> k
[06:12] <JohnnyMast> dh_installman gzips the manual package ?
[06:12] <JohnnyMast> because on ur link its plain and not compessed
[06:12] <raphink> it installs the $appname.1 manual
[06:12] <raphink> if present
[06:12] <raphink> yes
[06:12] <raphink> because the manpages are created in rules
[06:12] <JohnnyMast> like as on my own ftpd it has a already gziped man page
[06:12] <raphink> from the .docbook
[06:12] <raphink> which is plain
[06:13] <raphink> so it's easier to maintain
[06:13] <JohnnyMast> is docbook gui ?
[06:13] <raphink> no
[06:13] <JohnnyMast> hmm oki
[06:13] <raphink> it's a .docbook file
[06:13] <raphink> it's xml
[06:13] <raphink> well it's up to you
[06:13] <raphink> using docbook2x is easier imo
[06:13] <JohnnyMast> i installed it
[06:14] <raphink> k
[06:16] <bddebian> Howdy gang
[06:17] <azeem> Barry!
[06:17] <dholbach> hey bddebian!
[06:17] <bddebian> Hi Daniel!
[06:17] <dholbach> how are you, man?
[06:18] <dholbach> we missed you
[06:18] <bddebian> Tired man..
[06:18] <bddebian> I've missed you guys too :-)
[06:18] <bddebian> So what have I "Missed" ;-)
[06:18] <bddebian> Besides ajmitch's motu class :-(
[06:20] <siretart> hey bddebian!
[06:20] <bddebian> Howdy siretart.
[06:20] <siretart> bddebian: well, we did quite a lot of merges, had a REVU day, and are testing the new wonders of dapper
[06:20] <siretart> all in all: a great time :)
[06:21] <siretart> hey pef!
[06:21] <bddebian> Aye, I've been missing the hustle and bustle :-)
[06:21] <pef> hello
[06:21] <dholbach> hey pef
[06:21] <pef> hello Daniel
[06:22] <hub> hi
[06:22] <JohnnyMast> hi hub
[06:22] <siretart> bddebian: how was your time?
[06:23] <\sh> hey bddebian
[06:23] <\sh> bddebian: long time no see...where did you hide?
[06:23] <bddebian> \sh: At work :'-(
[06:23] <bddebian> siretart: My time?
[06:24] <siretart> bddebian: you were busy with work and live, wife and kids, I assume, right
[06:24] <siretart> ?
[06:24] <\sh> bddebian: oh damn...
[06:24] <bddebian> siretart: Aye, work mostly :-(
[06:26] <\sh> bddebian: well...I resigned my job, and now i'm waiting for a new one, or a bridge with wifi access ;)
[06:26] <sivang> \sh: hehe
[06:26] <siretart> \sh: :(
[06:26] <bddebian> \sh: If I recall you were not happy there right?
[06:26] <\sh> siretart: lets see on monday e.g.
[06:27] <siretart> \sh: what is on monday?
[06:27] <\sh> bddebian: well...it was fun...but it changed when our new bosses came
[06:27] <bddebian> \sh: Ah, I know that feeling
[06:30] <\sh> bddebian: dude I missed you soo much at ubz
[06:30] <bddebian> \sh: Aye, me too, I was really pissed that I didn't get to go :-(
[06:30] <bddebian> \sh: How was it?
[06:30] <\sh> bddebian: I said to siretart, "Siretart, nothing else matters, not even sabdfl, when bddebian doesn't come"
[06:31] <bddebian> Hahaha, yeah right :-)
[06:31] <\sh> bddebian: great was it
[06:32] <sivang> bddebian: what do you do at your job?
[06:33] <sivang> bddebian: (btw, again, Barry, hi!!)
[06:33] <bddebian> sivang: Just about everything but my title is "IT Manager" :-)
[06:34] <sivang> bddebian: oh, cool.
[06:34] <sivang> or , "Director of IT"
[06:34] <bddebian> or, "Peon" or "Jack of all trades, master of NONE" ;-)
[06:34] <sivang> hehe
[06:35] <sivang> bddebian: well, stuff really cracked on me lately in my job, too many re-orgs, switching managers, faulting specs, you name it ;-)
[06:35] <sivang> (out IT Manager left some weeks ago)
[06:35] <bddebian> sivang: Yeah, that is never fun
[06:36] <sivang> bddebian: yep. I actually wouldn't mind it if I could catch up on Ubuntu stuff during the 48 hours I Have during the weekend, but that's SO hard given all the movement and traffic...
[06:41] <\sh> so..if you ever want to have a absolute nice movie..."The Interpreter" made by sidney pollack...watch it...nicole kidman, sean penn...very good thriller
[06:42] <bddebian> If Nicole ain't nekkid, I ain't watching.. ;-P
[06:42] <sivang> hehe
[06:42] <\sh> bddebian: ah...and I'm not compiling anymore on a hp nc6000 :) I just bought shortly before I left the company a sempron64 :)
[06:42] <sivang> bddebian++
[06:42] <bddebian> So where's tseng and slomo?
[06:42] <bddebian> \sh: Nice
[06:42] <sivang> oh, sempron is sweet
[06:43] <slomo> bddebian: i'm here :) hi btw... where were you the last weeks? we already missed you :(
[06:43] <\sh> sivang: well...it's a bit faster then a 1.6GHz Pentium-M
[06:43] <bddebian> slomo: Work was much worse than I expected.. :-(   I read that you got main upload rights??  Congrats!!
[06:44] <\sh> bddebian: siretart as well :) during ubz :)
[06:44] <sivang> \sh: I bought one 32 sempron for my sister, (2400+) , it seems much faster then my 2.6Ghz intel box
[06:44] <slomo> bddebian: thanks :) i have almost no time for anything currently too :( well, need to get some food now :) see you later
[06:44] <bddebian> Laterz
[06:44] <bddebian> \sh: siretart = main?
[06:44] <\sh> bddebian: yepp
[06:44] <bddebian> Awesome, congrats siretart
[06:45] <siretart> bddebian: thanks :)
[06:45] <\sh> bddebian: it's a project.."MOTU Takeover of Main" ,)
[06:46] <\sh> when we're good we will finish our project at the end of dapper release...more motus in main then paid devs *eg*
[06:46] <raphink> hehe
[06:47] <JohnnyMast> raphink i dont get how to use docbook2x
[06:47] <raphink> JohnnyMast: look in the package I sent you the url of
[06:47] <JohnnyMast> i did
[06:47] <JohnnyMast> i only see an xml file
[06:47] <raphink> so ?
[06:47] <raphink> yes
[06:47] <JohnnyMast> how did you create it
[06:47] <raphink> and I told you to look in debian/control and debian/rules aswell ;)
[06:47] <raphink> oh
[06:47] <\sh> JohnnyMast: in rules in install target
[06:47] <raphink> I created the xml file manually
[06:48] <raphink> just take it and modify it
[06:48] <raphink> ;)
[06:48] <\sh> JohnnyMast: vim/emacs/gedit/kate
[06:48] <raphink> modify the xml file manually to fit your needs
[06:48] <JohnnyMast> \sh pico !
[06:48] <raphink> and then use rules to build the manpages ;)=
[06:48] <JohnnyMast> aaah ok
[06:48] <\sh> JohnnyMast: or do a dh_make in a dummy env...there is as well an example
[06:48] <raphink> nano rules ! :)
[06:48] <JohnnyMast> yep
[06:48] <JohnnyMast> ok ty
[06:49] <raphink> JohnnyMast: this is a gtk app though, no?
[06:49] <JohnnyMast> yep
[06:49] <raphink> so try to find a gtk app docbook
[06:49] <raphink> since knmap is qt
[06:49] <JohnnyMast> ur man number is wrong i think
[06:50] <JohnnyMast> should be 7 not 1
[06:50] <JohnnyMast>  1   Executable programs or shell commands
[06:50] <raphink> so what?
[06:50] <raphink> knmap is an executable program
[06:50] <JohnnyMast> urs is a kde app right ?
[06:50] <raphink> yes
[06:50] <raphink> it's an exec app
[06:51] <raphink> if I type knmap in a console
[06:51] <raphink> it launches
[06:51] <raphink> that's what I call an exec
[06:51] <raphink> ;)
[06:51] <JohnnyMast> well ok
[06:51] <raphink> no?
[06:51] <raphink> you don't seem to agree ;)
[06:54] <JohnnyMast> well
[06:55] <JohnnyMast> your right about the exec in 1 but 7 where man(7) is part of is also an executable
[06:55] <JohnnyMast> 7   Miscellaneous  (including  macro  packages and conven
[06:55] <JohnnyMast>            tions), e.g. man(7), groff(7)
[06:55] <raphink> 7 is for special stuff
[06:55] <raphink> most mans are 1
[06:55] <JohnnyMast> in that case ur right
[06:56] <raphink> :)
[06:56] <JohnnyMast> hi LaserJock
[06:56] <LaserJock> dholbach: ping?
[06:56] <LaserJock> hi JohnnyMast
[06:56] <JohnnyMast> :)
[06:58] <LaserJock> dang it dholbach left
[07:00] <raphink> No route to host
[07:00] <raphink> he's lost on the internet jungle
[07:00] <raphink> s/on/in/
[07:00] <raphink> hi LaserJock btw
[07:00] <bddebian> \sh: So, is there an MOTUMainTakeover Team I can join? ;-)
[07:01] <\sh> bddebian: right now and here..rock :)
[07:01] <LaserJock> bddebian!!!!
[07:01] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock, how goes it
[07:01] <LaserJock> well, good, I just took the last final of my university career
[07:01] <bddebian> Nice
[07:01] <LaserJock> I also became an Ubuntu member and a doc-team member
[07:01] <bddebian> Awesome, congrats
[07:02] <raphink> \sh: since sistpoty has done it so reviews are sent to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>maybe it could be good to send a message to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>so people are informed of this
[07:02] <\sh> raphink: yeah do it :)
[07:02] <raphink> \sh: I do it myself ? ;)
[07:02] <LaserJock> bddebian: well, you really got me started on this whole thing so I am very thankful for that.
[07:02] <raphink> hehe :)
[07:02] <\sh> raphink: sure...I work right now :)
[07:05] <LaserJock> anybody up for a quick REVU? I need to get plotdrop in Universe this weekend ;-)
[07:06] <tseng> bddebian: ?
[07:07] <LaserJock> hi Kyral
[07:07] <Kyral> hey
[07:07] <LaserJock> finals over?
[07:09] <Kyral> yah
[07:09] <Kyral> home :D
[07:09] <LaserJock> good, get to work *whip*
[07:10] <Kyral> Only women are allowed to whip me ;P
[07:10] <LaserJock> sure ;-)
[07:11] <raphink> \sh: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/466829
[07:11] <LaserJock> Kyral: anything up with FlowDesigner?
[07:11] <Kyral> LaserJock: No...
[07:11] <Kyral> LaserJock: I'll have to fix it myself it seems
[07:12] <LaserJock> Kyral: do you know what to fix?
[07:12] <Kyral> LaserJock: I think its just SONAME
[07:12] <\sh> raphink: that's it :) send it dude :)
[07:12] <raphink> ok
[07:12] <raphink> :)
[07:13] <LaserJock> Kyral: yeah, ok. Maybe it is better to fix it yourself and  then wait for them.
[07:13] <Kyral> and also EasyChem
[07:13] <raphink> siretart: seems to me there's a 80KB diff on config.sub though
[07:15] <raphink> siretart: ping
[07:15] <bddebian> LaserJock: My pleasure ;-)
[07:16] <bddebian> tseng: Just wanted to say hey!
[07:16] <Kyral> holy hell when did bddebian return?
[07:16] <LaserJock> Kyral: what about EasyChem? Is there something wrong with it?
[07:17] <Kyral> LaserJock: minor warnings in the build log
[07:17] <bddebian> Heya Kyral
[07:17] <\sh> laters
[07:17] <Treenaks> \sh: your blog broke again
[07:18] <\sh> Treenaks: again...it's planet
[07:18] <\sh> Treenaks: it's not the blog....
[07:18] <\sh> Treenaks: all planetplanet implementation have this problem...because scott made a mistake it not using a good db backend
[07:18] <tseng> bddebian: hi
[07:19] <\sh> ok..gone for a while
[07:23] <LaserJock> Kyral: well at least you've got one vote foe EasyChem, I got nada for plotdrop ;-)
[07:23] <raphink> bye then \sh
[07:24] <Kyral> hehe
[07:32] <siretart> raphink: huh?
[07:33] <raphink> siretart: the diff is 80KB, due to big changes to config.sub mostly
[07:33] <raphink> from what I see
[07:33] <siretart> raphink: perhaps I can do some filterdiff magic
[07:33] <raphink> what do you mean?
[07:34] <siretart> what package was this again?
[07:34] <raphink> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1205
[07:34] <raphink> look at the size of the diff
[07:35] <raphink> wb dholbach
[07:35] <dholbach> re
[07:35] <dholbach> :)
[07:36] <raphink> glad to see you found your way back
[07:36] <LaserJock> hi dholbach
[07:37] <siretart> raphink: try the diff again, is this better?
[07:38] <raphink> what do you mean? it's still 81KB
[07:38] <siretart> http://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=1204&upid2=1205
[07:38] <siretart> it is now just a few lines
[07:38] <siretart> I modified diff.py
[07:39] <dholbach> sistpoty, raphink: you guys rock!
[07:40] <raphink> dholbach: sistpoty rocks
[07:40] <raphink> but he's not here ;)
[07:40] <raphink> I don't understand what you modified siretart :s
[07:40] <siretart> raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=1204&upid2=1205 doesnt show the diff to config.{guess,sub} anymore
[07:41] <raphink> ah
[07:41] <dholbach> raphink: you rock too
[07:41] <raphink> I was not referring to the debdiff siretart
[07:41] <raphink> I was referring to the diff sent with the package
[07:41] <raphink> ty dholbach :s
[07:42] <siretart> raphink: ah, he is using a bad dh_make package, which copies config.{sub,guess} on clean target in debian/rules
[07:43] <siretart> unfortunatly, this is still in the default dh_make template and quite common
[07:43] <siretart> :(
[07:43] <raphink> mh
[07:43] <raphink> mhm
[07:44] <siretart> enough ubuntu work for today (since about 10)
[07:44] <dholbach> siretart: bon apptit
[07:44] <siretart> thanks, dholbach
[07:45] <raphink> brb
[07:47] <slomo> siretart: cdbs does the same... but saves the old ones and restores them on clean... much saner
[07:50] <dholbach> ROCK, revu-mails work
[07:50] <dholbach> nice!
[07:53] <hub> today is snow day
[07:53] <dholbach> here too
[07:53] <dholbach> yay
[07:53] <hub> since I don't have VPN access, I work at home
[07:53] <hub> and can't work
[07:53] <dholbach> and it's drum'n'bass day later
[07:53] <hub> :-/
[07:53] <hub> dholbach: eheh
[07:53] <hub> that will delay the laptop purchase though
[07:54] <dholbach> but now i will think about giving-a-talk-later--day
[07:55] <hub> btw when is the freeze for new package in Universe?
[07:59] <JohnnyMast> raphink i patched the things you wrote about http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1207 thats the new version
[07:59] <raphink> ok
[07:59] <raphink> I'll have a look later
[08:00] <JohnnyMast> ok
[08:03] <JohnnyMast> any motu has some spare time to look now ?
[08:11] <\sh> hub: 19th january
[08:11] <hub> \sh: ok
[08:11] <hub> thx
[08:13] <\sh> dholbach: "giving-a-talk-later"--day?
[08:13] <hub> is it safe to remove linux-restricted-modules package?
[08:14] <dholbach> \sh: umeet.uninet.edu
[08:14] <hub> as I don't have any hardware that requires it
[08:14] <Treenaks> hub: if you don't have any hardware that needs it; yes
[08:14] <raphink> hub: I think it's not required
[08:14] <raphink> well by default that is ;)
[08:14] <\sh> dholbach: what is it?
[08:14] <hub> byebye kernel tainting :-)
[08:14] <raphink> it is if you use fglrx or so
[08:14] <raphink> hehe
[08:14] <hub> raphink: I don't
[08:14] <dholbach> \sh: i need to make notes, just look at the page :)
[08:14] <dholbach> \sh: please :)
[08:14] <raphink> ok
[08:20] <JohnnyMast> i sugest a fix of a sentence that mails from revu to the mailing list
[08:20] <JohnnyMast> Package was uploaded from: rave at rosiello.org
[08:20] <JohnnyMast> should be Package was uploaded by: rave at rosiello.org
[08:26] <raphink> hi slomo
[08:26] <slomo_> re
[08:26] <slomo_> :)
[08:27] <raphink> how are you?
[08:29] <raphink> JohnnyMast: I'll have a look at your package
[08:29] <JohnnyMast> jeej :)
[08:29] <raphink> would you have a look at mine in the meanwhile?
[08:29] <JohnnyMast> sure
[08:29] <slomo_> raphink: could be better... but it's ok ;)
[08:29] <raphink> this is mine : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1208
[08:30] <raphink> which one is yours?
[08:30] <raphink> slomo_: ok
[08:30] <ajmitch> bddebian!!!!!111ONE you're alive!!
[08:30] <raphink> slomo_: do you have time to have a quick look at a package I just did?
[08:30] <raphink> s/did/made/
[08:30] <slomo_> raphink: sure... everything else i could touch is broken anyway ;)
[08:31] <JohnnyMast> no man pages
[08:31] <raphink> slomo_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1208
[08:31] <raphink> JohnnyMast: no bin either ;)
[08:31] <raphink> hehe
[08:31] <raphink> there's only a need for manpages if there is a bin
[08:31] <raphink> in /usr /bin or /sbin
[08:32] <JohnnyMast> what is the c++ source then ?
[08:32] <slomo_> raphink: will take a look :) but it's more efficient to let it reviewed only once at the same time ;)
[08:32] <raphink> there is binaries
[08:32] <raphink> but not in a folder that would require it to have manpages
[08:32] <raphink> the binaries are not be called directly from a console
[08:32] <raphink> but to be used embed in kcontrol or systemsettings
[08:32] <raphink> that's why there's no manpages
[08:32] <raphink> ;)
[08:32] <JohnnyMast> Copyright file need some patches
[08:33] <raphink> JohnnyMast: which copyright file?
[08:33] <JohnnyMast> debian/copyright
[08:34] <raphink> what's wrong with it?
[08:34] <slomo_> ok, i'll wait until you fixed it and review then ;P
[08:34] <raphink> slomo_: hey
[08:34] <raphink> :
[08:34] <raphink> so far nothing to fix ;)
[08:34] <slomo_> raphink: it's also better for you =) maybe you get my vote instantly then
[08:34] <slomo_> hm, the copyright file?
[08:35] <raphink> well what is there to change in it?
[08:35] <JohnnyMast> and maybe just for the looks dep on debhelper ( >= 5)
[08:35] <Hieronymus> JohnnyMast: +On Debian systems, the complete text of the GNU Lesser General
[08:35] <Hieronymus> +Public License can be found in `/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2
[08:35] <slomo_> no idea... ask JohnnyMast :) or is he looking at something else
[08:35] <raphink> I did
[08:35] <raphink> ask him
[08:35] <Hieronymus> JohnnyMast: you want GPL, not LGPL
[08:35] <JohnnyMast> Noted
[08:36] <raphink> JohnnyMast: what is ther eto change in my debian/copyright?
[08:36] <JohnnyMast> what Hieronymus just sayed
[08:36] <JohnnyMast> end with On Debian systems, the complete text of the GNU Lesser General
[08:36] <JohnnyMast> Public License can be found in `/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2
[08:37] <JohnnyMast> or GPLG
[08:37] <slomo_> raphink: debhelper >= 5 would be nice... >> 5 is a bit strong ;)
[08:37] <JohnnyMast> *GPL or what ever
[08:37] <raphink> ok
[08:37] <JohnnyMast> yeah thats what i sayed as well
[08:37] <slomo_> copyright is fine imho
[08:37] <JohnnyMast> but i didnt prefix rapthink so i didnt think he got it
[08:38] <raphink> I don't get the LGPL stuff though
[08:38] <raphink> this soft is under GPL, not LGPL
[08:38] <slomo_> what do you want to change with copyright? ;) it's fine if i'm not too blind
[08:39] <JohnnyMast> raphink you can replace the name of the license
[08:39] <raphink> slomo_: just the -2 for the licence maybe
[08:39] <JohnnyMast> slomo_ it was pointed to me to fix it
[08:39] <raphink> JohnnyMast: no I'm not to replace the name fo the licence
[08:39] <raphink> this soft is under GPL
[08:39] <raphink> and I'm not to change the name
[08:39] <raphink> LGPL is something different
[08:39] <slomo_> hehe
[08:39] <JohnnyMast> you can change the name of the license
[08:39] <raphink> I don't think the author would be so happy to have his soft under LPGL
[08:40] <JohnnyMast> that dir contains them
[08:40] <raphink> if he wanted it under GPL
[08:40] <JohnnyMast> but neways
[08:40] <raphink> JohnnyMast: change the name of the licence where?
[08:40] <JohnnyMast> got to fix Hieronymus his sugestion
[08:40] <slomo_> raphink: GPL is a link to GPL-2 iirc
[08:40] <JohnnyMast> *** /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2
[08:40] <JohnnyMast> to for example
[08:40] <slomo_> yes it is
[08:40] <JohnnyMast> *** /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL
[08:40] <raphink> slomo_: yes, that I noted
[08:40] <JohnnyMast> IF you had it
[08:41] <Hieronymus> JohnnyMast: ttb.1.docbook: tele tekst -> teletekst
[08:41] <JohnnyMast> besides
[08:41] <raphink> yop
[08:41] <raphink> changed to -2
[08:41] <slomo_> raphink: ok, maybe add a watch file and b-d on debhelper >= 5, everything else fine without building ;)
[08:41] <JohnnyMast> that is on the wiki as well raphink
[08:41] <raphink> JohnnyMast: quote patches namely in changelog
[08:41] <Hieronymus> JohnnyMast: web site -> website
[08:41] <JohnnyMast> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackagingGuide
[08:41] <bddebian> ajmitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:41] <JohnnyMast> check the wiki template of the copyright file
[08:41] <Hieronymus> JohnnyMast: +Teletekst browser is written by with help of some other people around
[08:42] <Hieronymus> +him.
[08:42] <Hieronymus> that sentence is weird
[08:42] <raphink> I don't know how to make watch files slomo_
[08:42] <JohnnyMast> oops forgot to paste the name in Hieronymus
[08:42] <Hieronymus> oh, you mean by $name
[08:42] <slomo_> raphink: look at my cowbell package for an example ;)
[08:42] <raphink> ok
[08:42] <slomo_> raphink: but it's not needed... only nice to have :)
[08:43] <raphink> sure slomo_  :)
[08:45] <raphink> slomo_: is that fine ?
[08:45] <raphink> version=2
[08:45] <raphink> http://autostart.pwsp.net/releases/autostart-(.*)\.tar\.gz debian uupdate
[08:45] <slomo_> yes
[08:45] <raphink> ok :)
[08:46] <slomo_> you can also do a more elaborated regexp in the () but it's fine ;)
[08:46] <raphink> uploading again then
[08:46] <slomo_> the part in the () is taken as the version number
[08:46] <raphink> well they'll be this way
[08:46] <raphink> ok
[08:46] <raphink> that's how it looked so it's good
[08:47] <raphink> uploaded again, now waiting for it to show up ;)
[08:47] <raphink> I checked the debuild && debuild -S -sa diff test
[08:47] <raphink> and it builds fine in my pbuilder
[08:48] <raphink> :)
[08:48] <slomo_> ok, i'm building it now on ppc ;) we'll see if it is ok :P
[08:49] <Hieronymus> JohnnyMast: remove the name[xx]  in the .desktop and put a Name[nl]  in there
[08:49] <JohnnyMast> Hieronymus alright
[08:49] <Hieronymus> JohnnyMast: use Icon=ttb and add a newline at the end of the file
[08:50] <JohnnyMast> are you sure about the Icon thing ?
[08:50] <raphink> slomo_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1209
[08:51] <Hieronymus> JohnnyMast: pretty sure
[08:52] <JohnnyMast> and it would NOT corrupt the icon because it might need an extention
[08:52] <jpatrick> raphink: ping!
[08:52] <JohnnyMast> can any one verify Hieronymus his toucht ?.
[08:53] <JohnnyMast> Hieronymus sorry i dont doubt you i just want to be sure
[08:53] <raphink> argh
[08:53] <raphink> jpatrick: I have to leave now
[08:53] <raphink> what do you want?
[08:53] <jpatrick> raphink: it's about my package: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1205
[08:53] <raphink> yep?
[08:53] <Hieronymus> JohnnyMast: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseDesktopFileAbsolutePath can
[08:53] <jpatrick> raphink: debian/copyright: that's how I've always done it
[08:54] <raphink> jpatrick: oh well it's just a small detail
[08:54] <jpatrick> raphink: there is nothing in /usr/bin because it's a KControl module
[08:54] <raphink> hmm ok
[08:54] <jpatrick> raphink: and I added the rule to generate pot file as stated in debian/changelog
[08:54] <raphink> jpatrick: then remove debian/dires
[08:55] <raphink> debian/dirs
[08:55] <jpatrick> right
[08:55] <jpatrick> and I never touched the src
[08:55] <raphink> you don't need to state your modifications in the changelog
[08:55] <raphink> as long as you don't patch the source or so
[08:55] <jpatrick> just remvoed the . at the end of the short des. (as siretart said)
[08:56] <raphink> modifications to debian/ only have to be logged after the first official release
[08:56] <raphink> mhm
[08:56] <raphink> well seems siretart found out what was wrong with the diff
[08:56] <raphink> something in rules
[08:56] <raphink> ask him about that
[08:56] <jpatrick> hmm
[08:56] <raphink> because there's the fact that your diff is 81KB, largely modifying config.sub
[08:57] <jpatrick> when/where did he say that?
[08:57] <raphink> here a few minutes ago
[08:57] <raphink> well some time ago acutally
[08:57] <raphink> siretart: are you there?
[08:57] <jpatrick> maybe I should remove the config.sub thing in the rules
[08:57] <raphink> jpatrick: my pb with the source is this : http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/kdmtheme-0512161255/kdmtheme_0.9.1-0ubuntu1.diff
[08:58] <raphink> siretart seemed to think it was a dh_stuff rule in debian/rules that shouldn't be there
[08:58] <raphink> ask him
[08:58] <raphink> I really should go now
[08:58] <jpatrick> okay cya :)
[08:59] <raphink> bye
[08:59] <slomo_> bye
[09:03] <LaserJock> is it ok to have both a .png and .xpm in /usr/share/pixmaps?
[09:04] <crimsun> it's redundant but harmless
[09:09] <TheMuso> \sh: Thanks. I have been working on other bugs and the xdmcp-dev issue has popped up as well.
[09:10] <\sh> TheMuso: no prob
[09:10] <crimsun> let me guess: libgtk2.0-dev.
[09:11] <TheMuso> I don'
[09:12] <TheMuso> I don't really know but the same dependancy has popped up for other gtk-based apps I have been trying to fix things with.
[09:14] <JohnnyMast> hi TheMuso :)
[09:14] <TheMuso> JohnnyMast: Hey there.
[09:14] <JohnnyMast> everything okey ?
[09:15] <TheMuso> Yes thanks
[09:15] <TheMuso> Haven't done any merges for a while as I have been busy.
[09:16] <JohnnyMast> same here
[09:16] <JohnnyMast> im working on my own revu package atm
[09:16] <slomo_> TheMuso: the libxdmcp-dev problem should be fixed afaik... dholbach uploaded a libx11-dev which depends on it earlier today
[09:16] <TheMuso> slomo_: Yeah he told me.
[09:16] <TheMuso> We have been working on a bug for an a11y package which is why I knwo about it.
[09:24] <\sh> slomo: too late for me..when I checked TheMusos package :)
[09:25] <\sh> so i have to upload tomorrow a fixed package *grrr*
[09:27] <slomo_> raphink: you have a vote for your package :)
[09:29] <jpatrick> \sh: thanks for the kxdocker acceptance :)
[09:32] <siretart> slomo_: http://mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2005-December/005623.html
[09:32] <siretart> jpatrick: raphink: pong
[09:32] <siretart> whats up?
[09:33] <jpatrick> siretart: something about my kdmtheme package
[09:34] <slomo_> siretart: hmm, can _we_ help them? do we have the knowledge? ;)
[09:34] <siretart> jpatrick: ah, the redundant config.{guess,sub} issue?
[09:34] <crimsun> omg.
[09:34] <jpatrick> siretart: I removed those now
[09:36] <siretart> crimsun: its really frustrating, yes :(
[09:37] <siretart> it there wasn't that many ignorant devs around...
[09:37] <bddebian> wuss ;-)
[09:37] <thierry> siretart : hi, I made a package I'd like to send to REVU, I just sent a message to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to get upload rights
[09:37] <crimsun> oh wow, barry's back. Assign him the desktop boogs!
[09:37] <crimsun> quick!
[09:37] <bddebian> Heya crimsun
[09:37] <ajmitch> bddebian: it's called self-preservation
[09:37] <ajmitch> crimsun: already done
[09:38] <crimsun> ajmitch: rockin'
[09:38] <ajmitch> he's got all the remaining merge bugs too
[09:38] <crimsun> suhweet!
[09:38] <ajmitch> plus I've got 50 or so to offload onto him
[09:38] <siretart> thierry: tell me your keyid
[09:38] <ajmitch> bddebian: you don't mind? great!
[09:38] <\sh> damn
[09:38] <thierry> 12CC71FA
[09:38] <\sh> who can I change my revu password?
[09:38] <ajmitch> no objections so far, so we're set :)
[09:39] <ajmitch> \sh: now we can kick back & have a drink while barry hacks ;)
[09:39] <siretart> \sh: you have root on tiber, just change it in postgres ;)
[09:39] <\sh> siretart: gnarf
[09:39] <ajmitch> hehe
[09:39] <siretart> \sh: (hint, there is a script called /srv/revu1/scripts/alter_user.py for that)
[09:39] <bddebian> Sure, why not.. :-)
[09:39] <siretart> \sh: just call it without arguments for help
[09:40] <ajmitch> it has a -p option
[09:40] <siretart> to set the password
[09:40] <ajmitch> siretart: hey, we can start our holidays now
[09:40] <ajmitch> barry's back!
[09:40] <siretart> ajmitch: excellent. I was waiting for this day :)
[09:41] <thierry> siretart : 12CC71FA
[09:41] <\sh> siretart: merci
[09:42] <ajmitch> siretart: I think we need a link to the build logs page as well on the merge page :)
[09:42] <\sh> siretart ,)
[09:42] <siretart> :)
[09:42] <\sh> well...arg is not wrong somehow :)
[09:43] <siretart> thierry: I didnt find your key in the keyserver, please upload it
[09:43] <thierry> siretart : sending another e-mail?
[09:43] <jpatrick> thierry: upload to keyserver.ubuntu.com
[09:44] <siretart> thierry: please `gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 12CC71FA`
[09:44] <siretart> thierry: please `gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-keys 12CC71FA`
[09:44] <thierry> siretart : done
[09:45] <siretart> thierry: done :)
[09:45] <thierry> siretart : thanks!
[09:45] <ajmitch> ok, I've got to go
[09:45] <ajmitch> sorry to cut my ubuntu time short today, but I've got good excuses this time ;)
[09:46] <jpatrick> siretart: reuploaded `kdmtheme' - hopefully the .diff looks better now
[09:54] <LaserJock> is there a way to test is a patch is working? does spatch apply-all in the src directory work?
[09:55] <siretart> jpatrick: besides, who is upstream for kdmtheme? and where to download it?
[09:55] <LaserJock> by working I mean applied
[09:55] <jpatrick> siretart: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=22120
[09:58] <jpatrick> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1214
[10:01] <JohnnyMast> looks nice patrick
[10:01] <jpatrick> thank you :)
[10:03] <JohnnyMast> np
[10:05] <JohnnyMast> raphink welcome back home
[10:05] <siretart> jpatrick: what did you change in the last 2 uploads? the debdiff seems empty
[10:05] <siretart> hi Mirno
[10:06] <jpatrick> siretart: removed config.sub and config.guess
[10:06] <jpatrick> they weren't in the src
[10:07] <jpatrick> and removed the rules in debian/rules
[10:08] <siretart> jpatrick: from what? the upstream tarball?
[10:09] <jpatrick> siretart: no
[10:09] <jpatrick> the file were on my machine
[10:09] <jpatrick> files*
[10:10] <Mirno> hi siretart
[10:10] <siretart> jpatrick: err, it doesnt really matter if they are on the machines or not. Our packages are autobuilt anyway
[10:10] <siretart> jpatrick: but I see you removed that updating config.{guess,sub} in clean target. good
[10:11] <jpatrick> okay
[10:11] <jpatrick> that's what I removed from the rules
[10:13] <siretart> boah, why is there so much traffic on revu, anyway.. :)
[10:13] <\sh> i'm not doing anything...I'm listening to dholbachs talk
[10:14] <\sh> http://umeet.uninet.edu/umeet2005/english/pres.html
[10:14] <siretart> \sh: how to hear? is it live?
[10:15] <\sh> siretart: irc :) read the page :)
[10:15] <siretart> ah
[10:15] <jpatrick> maybe: http://umeet.uninet.edu/umeet2005/english/prog.html
[10:15] <\sh> come join<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:16] <\sh> and cheer for dholbach :) questions on #qc
[10:22] <JohnnyMast> :/
[10:23] <jpatrick> haven't seen Tonio in a while
[10:24] <jpatrick> no advocations for kdmtheme?
[10:26] <thierry> I got a package to upload but I always get Checksum doesn't match for /var/chroot/home/thierry/dev/build/libfxscintilla1.6_1.63-0ubuntu1.dsc
[10:26] <thierry>  while all I've done is "sudo debuild && dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot -kSOMEKEY"
[10:32] <JohnnyMast> tackle \sh
[10:32] <\sh> busy i am
[10:32] <JohnnyMast> you sound like yoda :p
[10:32] <JohnnyMast> hehe
[10:32] <jpatrick> ...listening... (or more exactly reading)
[10:33] <JohnnyMast> JohnnyMast here is
[10:37] <bddebian> Well take care folks, hopefully I'll see you again very soon.. :-)
[10:38] <Nafallo> OH!
[10:38] <Nafallo> THAT WAS BDDEBIAN!
[10:39] <Nafallo> where have he bean? :-)
[10:39] <JohnnyMast> yes WAS :p
[10:39] <Nafallo> been maybe...
[10:40] <crimsun> busy with real life stuff
[10:40] <crimsun> asked him about a month ago
[10:40] <Nafallo> oh :-/
[10:40] <Nafallo> any ETA on when he will be here fulltime again? :-)
[10:40] <crimsun> nothing besides "hopefully"
[10:40] <JohnnyMast> asap
[10:40] <jpatrick> ETA: very soon
[10:41] <Nafallo> hmm, oki
[10:44] <JohnnyMast> any one willing to review my updates ?
[10:44] <jpatrick> JohnnyMast: I'm waiting for someone to do mine :/
[10:45] <JohnnyMast> jpatrick well i saw nothing bad in ur s i started when you posted ur link
[10:45] <jpatrick> post yours
[10:45] <JohnnyMast> kk
[10:45] <jpatrick> I need tow MOTUs
[10:45] <jpatrick> two*
[10:45] <JohnnyMast> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1212
[10:45] <JohnnyMast> jpatrick haha same here :p
[10:47] <jpatrick> JohnnyMast: in debian/changelog :: dependentie ?
[10:48] <JohnnyMast> oops
[10:50] <JohnnyMast> whats the correct word ?
[10:50] <JohnnyMast> i suck @ writing in english
[10:52] <jpatrick> dependency I believe
[10:53] <Nafallo> Dep(s) I usually write ;-)
[10:53] <jpatrick> JohnnyMast: I'm not to sure about the FSF address in copyright
[10:53] <jpatrick> I leave it out
[10:54] <Hieronymus> JohnnyMast: +  * Patched ttb.desktop to be more to fit freedesktop.org standards.
[10:54] <Hieronymus> +    (01-ttb.desbtop_generalice.patch)
[10:54] <Hieronymus> Patched ttb.desktop to make it conform to freedesktop.org standards.
[10:54] <Hieronymus> (01-ttb.desktop_generalice.patch)
[10:54] <JohnnyMast> jpatrick the address i have is the new address
[10:55] <JohnnyMast> Hieronymus yes ? whats up ?
[10:55] <Hieronymus> JohnnyMast: "to be more to fit" is incorrect or sounds weird at least
[10:55] <JohnnyMast> ooh then it should be
[10:56] <JohnnyMast> to fit the  freedesktop.org standards
[10:58] <JohnnyMast> more bugs then typo`s ?
[10:59] <jpatrick> looks okay to me
[10:59] <JohnnyMast> well let me update the typo`s and tackle a motu
[10:59] <JohnnyMast> whats the correct spelling of dependentie ?
[11:00] <jpatrick> dependency
[11:00] <JohnnyMast> roger !
[11:00] <jpatrick> No my name's Patrick
[11:00] <JohnnyMast> haha :p
[11:00] <JohnnyMast> dutch humor
[11:02] <Treenaks> JohnnyMast: you're not funny. and I'm Dutch.
[11:03] <JohnnyMast> Treenaks what else is new ?
[11:03] <JohnnyMast> niets
[11:03] <Hieronymus> I don't think you're funny. and I'm Dutch
[11:03] <Hieronymus> that's new
[11:04] <JohnnyMast> it seems some ppl dont like me
[11:04] <JohnnyMast> there bad
[11:04] <Treenaks> JohnnyMast: please write horizontally, and using correct words
[11:04] <JohnnyMast> ^^ thats what i mean
[11:05] <Treenaks> itym "that's"
[11:05] <raphink> Riddell: did you have a look at kyamo already?
[11:05] <Riddell> raphink: no, sorry, am deep in knetworkconf hacking
[11:05] <raphink> ok
[11:05] <raphink> np
[11:05] <raphink> I just packaged a kcontrol module today aswell : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1209
[11:06] <raphink> ;)
[11:06] <jpatrick> raphink: could you take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1214
[11:06] <raphink> did you talk with siretart about this source issue?
[11:06] <jpatrick> raphink: yes
[11:06] <raphink> good
[11:07] <jpatrick> just removed config.sub and config.guess and removed a rule
[11:07] <raphink> good
[11:07] <raphink> did siretart approve these changes?
[11:07] <jpatrick> raphink: yep
[11:07] <jpatrick> and JohnnyMast
[11:07] <raphink> good :)
[11:08] <raphink> :)
[11:08] <jpatrick> I have to go now
[11:08] <JohnnyMast> :)
[11:08] <JohnnyMast> its a good thing
[11:08] <JohnnyMast> because these files are creared after running configure
[11:08] <JohnnyMast> so its not needed in any way to be in a package
[11:08] <raphink> ok
[11:08] <JohnnyMast> lets say its absolete
[11:08] <raphink> yes
[11:09] <JohnnyMast> i think upstream they didnt do
[11:09] <raphink> jpatrick: just check that it builds twice though
[11:09] <slomo_> what?
[11:09] <JohnnyMast> make distclean before packing the release
[11:09] <slomo_> you removed these files?
[11:09] <raphink> that removing these files doesn't prevent it from building again
[11:09] <jpatrick> raphink: I have
[11:09] <jpatrick> and run pbuilder
[11:09] <raphink> jpatrick: good
[11:10] <raphink> good
[11:10] <Kyral> hey guys
[11:10] <JohnnyMast> hey Kyral
[11:11] <Kyral> I love being home, get to play with my pups
[11:11] <jpatrick> slomo_: care to take a look? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1214
[11:11] <JohnnyMast> aww :)
[11:11] <slomo_> jpatrick: sure... is it another kde package? ;)
[11:11] <slomo_> hehe, good guess :)
[11:11] <jpatrick> slomo_: errr... yes
[11:12] <slomo_> everybody asks me to review kde packages... seems like we already have all gnome packages ;)
[11:12] <Kyral> lol
[11:12] <Kyral> Actually is Kubuntu-Desktop supposed to be installable now?
[11:13] <jpatrick> Kyral: I think Adept & PyKDE has some things todo
[11:13] <Kyral> okay so I'm not the only one getting unmet dep things going on :D
[11:16] <Riddell> Kyral: kubuntu-desktop should be installable, what's the problem?
[11:16] <Kyral> Riddell: I'll try to grab it and put it in pastebin mkay?
[11:17] <Riddell> thanks
[11:19] <\sh> hey ASCIIGirl :)
[11:19] <ASCIIGirl> hihi :)
[11:20] <Kyral> as soon as the latest updates to Dapper are done
[11:20] <slomo_> jpatrick: looks fine at a first look :) now let's build it and compare tarballs ;)
[11:21] <\sh> ASCIIGirl: I encouraged a brasilien guy to become an ubuntu member :) "Og Maciel"
[11:21] <JohnnyMast> slomo_ slomo about your gues about having all gnome packages..... i have one for you
[11:21] <\sh> ASCIIGirl: http://www.ogmaciel.com/
[11:21] <ASCIIGirl> lets see
[11:22] <slomo_> jpatrick: maybe add a watch file :) i for one can't find something to download on the page you list in the description :P
[11:23] <JohnnyMast> ".NET / Oracle Developer By Day,
[11:23] <JohnnyMast> Linux Evangelist By Night."
[11:23] <JohnnyMast> hehe
[11:24] <ASCIIGirl> brb
[11:28] <dholbach> good night everybody
[11:28] <ASCIIGirl> night dholbach :)
[11:28] <JohnnyMast> rapink: because it effects the desktop file
[11:28] <JohnnyMast> nn dholbach
[11:28] <dholbach> ASCIIGirl: nice to see you here :)
[11:28] <slomo_> jpatrick: ok, you have my vote :)
[11:29] <JohnnyMast> slomo_ i have a gnome one for you
[11:29] <slomo_> JohnnyMast: perfect... show me :)
[11:29] <JohnnyMast> ok :)
[11:29] <JohnnyMast> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1216
[11:32] <thierry> I have a problem sending a package to REVU, I always get "Checksum doesn't match for /var/chroot/home/thierry/dev/build/libfxscintilla1.6_1.63-0ubuntu1.dsc
[11:32] <thierry> "
[11:33] <thierry> this is really frustrating since my package is ready but I can't send it
[11:34] <slomo_> JohnnyMast: hmm... correct the spelling of the patch filenames ;)
[11:35] <JohnnyMast> slomo_ oth typo`ed ?
[11:35] <JohnnyMast> *both
[11:36] <slomo_> yes
[11:36] <slomo_> and please change the desktop file... the ones without language should be english
[11:36] <slomo_> teletekst -> teletext
[11:36] <JohnnyMast> no
[11:37] <JohnnyMast> its not about teletext
[11:37] <slomo_> not?
[11:37] <JohnnyMast> thats something else then tele tekst
[11:37] <slomo_> ok, accepted :)
[11:37] <JohnnyMast> uhu
[11:37] <slomo_> whatever it is :P
[11:37] <JohnnyMast> i checked that with my local americans :p
[11:37] <Hieronymus> JohnnyMast: teletekst, not tele tekst
[11:38] <JohnnyMast> Hieronymus thats fixed
[11:38] <Hieronymus> slomo_: news from the tv
[11:38] <JohnnyMast> or did i leave it some where ? ieronymus
[11:38] <Hieronymus> JohnnyMast: no, but you just said it
[11:39] <slomo_> JohnnyMast: maybe leave out shlibs:Depends
[11:39] <JohnnyMast> ooh
[11:39] <slomo_> JohnnyMast: not needed and if there's something in there it is now all package ;)
[11:39] <slomo_> why is the setup.py patch needed btw?
[11:40] <JohnnyMast> A) everything was done in control (dep checks B) it want compatible with pbuilder
[11:40] <JohnnyMast> pbuilder installed the deps
[11:40] <JohnnyMast> but the setup clamed it didnt
[11:41] <slomo_> hm
[11:41] <JohnnyMast> there are build logs on revu
[11:41] <JohnnyMast> if you want to see them ?
[11:41] <slomo_> please give me a url :)
[11:41] <slomo_> <--- lazy
[11:41] <JohnnyMast> ok + btw upstream knows about the patch
[11:42] <JohnnyMast> hold on let me get it
[11:42] <JohnnyMast> slomo_ http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/ttb-0512141135/ttb_0.9.4-0ubuntu1.buildlog
[11:42] <slomo_> JohnnyMast: ok, let's summarize :) correct spelling of the patch filenames ;)
[11:43] <JohnnyMast> slomo_ i dont know the correct spelling of the new patch names :|
[11:43] <JohnnyMast> im better in talking english then wrting (because i do for real all day long
[11:44] <JohnnyMast> azeem welcome back home
[11:44] <slomo_> JohnnyMast: 00-setup.py_depenend.patch -> 00-setup.py_dependency-fix.patch and 01-ttb.desbtop_generalice.patch -> 01-ttb.desktop_generalize.patch
[11:44] <slomo_> JohnnyMast: imho
[11:45] <JohnnyMast> slomo_ here is ur beer :)
[11:45] <Kyral> Riddell: Interesting. When installing Kubuntu-Desktop with Apt-get, it works, but when giving the command to aptitude -R it doesn't
[11:45] <slomo_> JohnnyMast: i already have a beer ;) but another one can't hurt, thanks :)
[11:46] <JohnnyMast> hehe np
[11:46] <JohnnyMast> slomo_ done im gonna upload the fixes
[11:47] <JohnnyMast> uploaded ..
[11:47] <JohnnyMast> lets wait till it shows up
[11:48] <slomo_> it fails in pbuilder
[11:48] <slomo_>         It seems your Python installation is missing the 'dev'-package.
[11:48] <slomo_>         Please install it.
[11:48] <JohnnyMast> checking ..
[11:48] <slomo_> docbook2x-man debian/ttb.1.docbook
[11:48] <slomo_> I/O error : Attempt to load network entity http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.2/docbookx.dtd
[11:48] <slomo_> please call it with --nonet or how it was called ;)
[11:50] <JohnnyMast> yeah i see it failing now on  - python-dev (>= 2.2)
[11:50] <slomo_> yes
[11:50] <slomo_> please fix it :)
[11:51] <JohnnyMast> i tought dep on  - python-dev (>= 2.2) is valid ?
[11:52] <slomo_> it will the dev files for the default python... i.e. 2.4
[11:52] <slomo_> when you need 2.2 b.d. on python2.2-dev
[11:52] <JohnnyMast> and if i leave the version out and leave python-dev ?
[11:53] <slomo_> the same
[11:53] <slomo_> if you do python-dev (>= 2.2) it will just fail when there is a) no python-dev available or b) only python-dev with a version less than 2.2 is available
[11:54] <JohnnyMast> well 2.4 is available
[11:54] <JohnnyMast> 2.4.2
[11:54] <JohnnyMast> ubuntu 2
[11:54] <Ubugtu> Ubuntu Bugzilla bug #2: GNU Free Documentation License is non-free Product: Ubuntu, Component: glibc, Severity: normal, Assigned to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Status: RESOLVED, Resolution: NOTWARTY https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2
[11:54] <slomo_> sure
[11:54] <JohnnyMast> called python-dev
[11:54] <JohnnyMast> no version in the package name
[11:54] <slomo_> ok, what's the situation with your package?
[11:55] <slomo_> does it need only python?
[11:55] <slomo_> or a specific version?
[11:55] <JohnnyMast> yes and gtk/glade
[11:55] <JohnnyMast> no no specific version
[11:55] <slomo_> depend on python-dev and python-gtk2 etc
[11:55] <slomo_> or most probably only python, no python-dev
[11:55] <JohnnyMast> but the old setup.py checked on >= 2.2
[11:56] <JohnnyMast> so remove the () ?
[11:56] <JohnnyMast> and just depend on the virtuall ?
[11:57] <JohnnyMast> ile make it only depend on python-dev
[11:57] <slomo_> if you have a version which is at least needed at this in the ()
[11:57] <slomo_> but do you really need python-dev?
[11:57] <JohnnyMast> thats what the site AND the setup.py sayed
[11:58] <slomo_> ok
[11:58] <JohnnyMast> ile remove the ()`s
[11:59] <JohnnyMast> lol
[11:59] <JohnnyMast> slomo_ there is no python-dev depend in control
[12:00] <Hieronymus> I have made a package. How do I upload it to REVU?
[12:00] <JohnnyMast> dput *.source.changes
[12:00] <slomo_> JohnnyMast: nice :) add it when it's needed :P (you mean b-d, right?)
[12:01] <JohnnyMast> b-d ?
[12:01] <slomo_> build-depends
[12:01] <JohnnyMast> yes yes
[12:01] <JohnnyMast> i had it before until some one sayed its not needed