[07:57] <astraljava> Eickmeyer: Thanks! Yeah that's been an issue every now and then. I wish I had time to commit to becoming a MOTU, but no can do. Maybe one day. :)
[09:39] <sakrecoer> cool tsimonq2 you MOTU now? :) Congrats!
[12:34] <tsimonq2> sakrecoer: I've been a Core Developer since August 2018 and MOTU since August 2017  :)
[12:34] <tsimonq2> But thanks!
 time flies... i droped out after 16.10 release, i suppose that is why it's news to me. :)


 when can upgrade to 22.04 from 20.04 LTS ? : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/e09231c9/file_57880.jpg
[08:34] <tannera> It'll be when they drop the first point release so probably another month at minimum I think
 When the ubuntu-release team decide it is ok to enable. That is often around the time of the 1st point release ISO (22.04.1) next month (re @yepmunchun: )
 22.04.1 is due August 18th
 alright, thanks 👍🏻
 you can try sudo apt install tlp , then look into /etc/tlp.conf
 it apply your configuration to kernel, rely on systemd hook for battery/AC mode detection, for power tuning (re @Dip: But for some reason i just want to automate this 👇 process 🥲 [ now tell me the solution ( i can implement this on windows easily by modifying powerplan)]
 switch (cpuFrequency) {
     case (adapter == connected): {
         cpuFrequency = max;
         break;
 I need some urgent help. I’m using K22.04 but there has been some random logouts in the middle of use. I was using Firefox and out of nowhere the screen logged out from system and delayed in a blank screen for seconds and prompted me to enter password in login page. Any fixes?
 I need some urgent help. I’m using K22.04 but there has been some random logouts in the middle of use. I was using Firefox and out of nowhere the screen logged out from system and delayed in a blank screen for seconds and prompted me to enter password in login screen. Any fixes?
[10:27] <omegatron> parkour_29 : did you type in a key combination which logs you out ?
 You meant if I clicked any particular key strokes? (re @IrcsomeBot: <omegatron> parkour_29 : did you type in a key combination which logs you out ?)
[11:14] <omegatron> yes, that's what I meant
 Nope I was browsing in Firefox and suddenly the screen dumped out
[11:16] <omegatron> hmm, then you seem to have the same issue we have with KDE + Firefox on a laptop of ours ...
[11:16] <omegatron> only happens with firefox as it seems
[11:17] <omegatron> don't know who is here at fault, mozilla or kde !?
 Or maybe I clicked somewhere because I was listening to music and I might have hit volume down
 But that shouldn’t cause the issue?
 It’s very hard to remember what I pressed
[11:19] <omegatron> if you have time to spare, then install some other firefox versions or browsers and test it with them .. if it happens with all of them, then I would say they broke something in KDE ..
[11:19] <omegatron> do you have chromium or icecat at hand to test it ?
 What’s the key binding for logging out? (re @IrcsomeBot: <omegatron> if you have time to spare, then install some other firefox versions or browsers and test it with them .. if it happens with all of them, then I would say they broke something in KDE ..)
[11:20] <omegatron> System Settings > Workspace > Shortcuts > Sesssion Management > Log Out Without Confirmation
 I should reinstall Kubuntu and let you know
 Thanks
 I wanted to ask, whx firefox browser goes on the left corner where the start button is when i put from startmenu to the control bar
 Need help , i resetted already the plasma environment
 The starters should go on the right next tonthe chrome browser not on the left where startmenu ist
 But they dont donit like inwant
[12:39] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Hi blueskaj
 Can you help me with this topic?
 I set up kubuntu on my daily driver, and i never got an error like this, except of the deletion of anything last time
 The taskbar got crazy
[12:47] <BluesKaj> daily driver?
 My pc
 That i use daily
 I think its easy tonsolve but i dont know what i can do against this error
[12:50] <BluesKaj> what's the error?
 Whe i put any application to the taskbar, it goes everytime on the left where start button is, not to the applications in the right i can show xou
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/3f4107a3/file_57888.jpg
 See the firefox?
[12:52] <BluesKaj> best to use the "icons only" taskbar, it's more configurable
 How can i do this?
 Its only icons
 See the picture, idk if you can see it in irc
[12:56] <BluesKaj> I see it, ...right click on the taskbar and choose configure or alternatives
 Done
 Can pick of 3 menus
 Starter menu , menu and fullscreen
 Can i setup a new taskbar, and delete the old one?
[13:06] <BluesKaj> just setup the newone then remove the default one, which will be beside the icons only
 Ok done, and now some icons missing in the right corner.. how can i get them back
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/73907d9e/file_57889.jpg
 Between the bluetooth sign and the arrow
[13:11] <BluesKaj> add widgets
 Thanks for the help
 :)
[13:20] <thingy> Just checking...can (should?) "ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports" + "ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa" be used at the same time?
[13:27] <BluesKaj> you can until the next kernel upgrade, then you may have problems, use the ppa's judiciously ...best to dump them after installing whtever packages you used them for
[13:31] <BluesKaj> glad to help @Oskar
[16:45] <user|50> hello
[16:46] <user|50> how to do updates  from console rather than as pushed?
[17:34] <Silver70> Hi
[17:35] <Silver70> im using ubuntu 21.10 and i wanna install 22.04
[17:35] <Silver70> but
[17:35] <Silver70> it says "Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading."
[17:36] <Silver70> when i run sudo do release upgrade
[17:36] <Silver70> but  when i trysudo apt update i get this:
[17:37] <Silver70> E: El repositorio «http://ppa.launchpad.net/micahflee/ppa/ubuntu impish Release» no tiene un fichero de Publicación.
[17:37] <Silver70> N: No se puede actualizar de un repositorio como este de forma segura y por tanto está deshabilitado por omisión.
[17:37] <Silver70> N: Vea la página de manual apt-secure(8) para los detalles sobre la creación de repositorios y la configuración de usuarios.
[17:39] <oerheks> it means that ppa has no key/nor software for your 21.10
[17:39] <oerheks> it is safe to remove it from your update settings
[17:39] <oerheks> or remove it from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/  and run updates again
[17:40] <oerheks> sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[17:40] <Silver70> how do i elmiminate it? which is the path?
[17:40] <oerheks> just check your update tool first, easier.
[17:40] <oerheks> and for comandline freaks, i gave the answer already
[17:42] <Silver70> is my update tool discover?
[17:44] <Silver70> also,i try to delete them but i cant,what do i do?
[17:45] <Silver70> i cd in thm buti dont know what to do
[17:46] <Silver70> also i have  entered them in dolphin but it cant be deleted
 Q3CA
 🙏
 thanks
[17:52] <Silver70> what do i do??
 Iam installing atm games from heroic games launcher.. is here someone that knows the wine/proton/ lutris stuff.? I want a icon of the game i install right now in kubuntu start menu, so that i dont must open heroic every time (re @IrcsomeBot: <BluesKaj> glad to help @Oskar)
[17:59] <Silver70> i try to remove it as well in the console with this command:
 I already asked in the communitys from the launcher, but they couldnt help me with kubuntu so far
[17:59] <Silver70> sudo rm micahflee-ubuntu-ppa-impish.list
[18:00] <Silver70> but it says there is no such file or directory
 Open sources file and delete it from hand, with nano or somthing (re @IrcsomeBot: <Silver70> but it says there is no such file or directory)
 Thats what i would do, when i want to delete sources
 Or use synaptic
[21:44] <EmeraldG6> Hello,when i update stuff there seems to be one not updating so it wont let me upgrade to 22.04,what do i do?
[21:47] <EmeraldG6> it says when i do  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and sudo apt-get upgrade -y this: "Los siguientes paquetes se han retenido:
[21:47] <EmeraldG6>   libodbc1
[21:47] <EmeraldG6> 0 actualizados, 0 nuevos se instalarán, 0 para eliminar y 1 no actualizados."
[21:47] <EmeraldG6> what do i do then?
[22:05] <EmeraldG6> nevermind


[10:18] <klepas> hello
[10:20] <artnay> hey klepas
[10:20] <artnay> I saw that your tango package is progressing
[10:20] <klepas> how was that party?
[10:21] <klepas> yea man
[10:21] <artnay> uh, it was great. not to mention the after party which basically took me the whole sunday :(
[10:21] <klepas> cool
[10:22] <klepas> from the photos of the event on the site it looked like a blast
[10:22] <artnay> never had so fun with water ;)
[10:22] <klepas> :)
[10:23] <klepas> i sent off a mail to lokheed
[10:23] <artnay> so what happened in london?
[10:23] <klepas> they had a UI sprint
[10:23] <klepas> over the weeken
[10:23] <klepas> s/weeken/weekend
[10:24] <klepas> lokheed will be doing the gaim tango set
[10:25] <klepas> and a tango gaim dialogue image/splash thingy :)
[10:26] <artnay> was there any canonicals here?
[10:26] <artnay> oh well, I might just as well dist-upgrade
[10:28] <artnay> hmh, it wants to remove oo.o and since there's no updated ubuntu-artwork, I'll let it be as it is
[10:28] <artnay> really, what's happening with the screensavers?
[10:30] <artnay> gnome-screensaver is filled up with useless screensavers as there's no GUI to tweak them
[10:31] <artnay> should people really edit their screensavers using $editor?
[10:32] <klepas> no idea
[10:32] <klepas> i'm on breezy
[10:32] <artnay> wasn't there ubuntu screensaver somewhere? it's not listed on gnome-screensaver nor xscreensaver
[10:32] <klepas> i'm considering distupgrading
[10:33] <klepas> gaim 2 binaries are in dapper
[10:33] <klepas> saves me from compiling this crap
[10:33] <artnay> oh well, mark will most probably clean up the most useless screensavers (at least I hope so)
[10:33] <artnay> there was a bug on it at bugzilla
[10:36] <klepas> is it safe to update to dapper?
[10:36] <klepas> not too broken?
[10:37] <artnay> I guess it depends on what you're using :o
[10:37] <artnay> I've used it for the last four months, it should be quite safe now as it's in freeze already
[10:38] <lapo> hi
[10:41] <artnay> hey lapo
[10:42] <artnay> nice modifications, I especially liked the computer icon without ubuntu background
[10:42] <artnay> that's something what we should have started months ago as a team
[10:47] <andreasn> hello
[10:48] <lapo> artnay, I'd like the sabdfl to make his payed artist to follow a similar style (so tango guidelines)
[10:48] <lapo> ciao andreasn
[10:48] <andreasn> lapo: how is the work on the icons going?
[10:49] <artnay> lapo: or at least tell the guys name and get in contact with him
[10:49] <artnay> have a discussion here or something
[10:49] <lapo> or pay some of the tango artist to do it (*hint* andreasn)
[10:49] <lapo> andreasn, I did the printer
[10:49] <andreasn> or *hint* lapo for that matter
[10:49] <artnay> lapo: have any tango members offered their help?
[10:50] <artnay> I know some guys that have some really decent icon sets and they offered their help to canonical
[10:50] <artnay> but canonical refused
[10:51] <artnay> probably many others have asked the same question as well, but as the whole ubuntu-artwork isn't that well informed, who knows what is happening *don't kick me*
[10:51] <artnay> although there's been improvements within a month or so
[10:52] <lapo> artnay, I don't know, I don't think any of us contacted canonical directly tho
[10:52] <artnay> lapo: oh, ok
[10:52] <lapo> artnay, a pair of nice guys helped me with those icons btw
[10:52] <artnay> maybe they wanted some gnome-oriented artists to do the work
[10:53] <lapo> gnome oriented?
[10:53] <artnay> and as canonical has some gnome devs, it might have been an inside discussion
[10:53] <artnay> people who have contributed to gnome in the past
[10:54] <lapo> artnay, uhm...icon should not be gnome specific
[10:54] <lapo> icons
[10:55] <lapo> andreasn, I have a job and have no time for this stuff, you should contact canonical and offer you services to them, really
[10:55] <artnay> lapo: what I meant to say, they might want to hire people who have given some love to gnome artwork and thus are their friends or so
[10:55] <artnay> and I do agree, let's not have gnome specific icons
[10:56] <andreasn> artnay: I don't think it's about gnome or not, but rather that they are looking for a schooled designer
[10:56] <lapo> artnay, dunno, those icons style don't recall me any gnome artist I know of
[10:56] <artnay> it's a shame that in this open development process we don't even know who's working those
[10:57] <lapo> they looks a bit like early tig work, but he work for nokia now
[10:57] <artnay> my first though was that it's tigert
[10:57] <lapo> artnay, this is way I'd like to talk with the sabdfl
[10:57] <lapo> tig is better than that:-)
[10:57] <artnay> :)
[10:58] <lapo> and I would have followed tango guidelines
[10:58] <artnay> maybe it was just a teaser and some things were left there for a purpose
[10:58] <andreasn> it seems they made something that blends in good with g-i-t, problem is that g-i-t is movind towards tango
[10:58] <artnay> to get people interest and tell "it shouldn't be that way", "it's breaking hig", "let's do this and that"
[10:58] <lapo> andreasn, yep, tat's the other reason why I'd like to talk with the sabdfl
[10:59] <artnay> and what's happening with ubuntu-artwork anyways?
[10:59] <artnay> have you seen the latest gnome splash?
[10:59] <andreasn> I think we should come up with a good alternative set, but with the same boldness that this set offers
[10:59] <lapo> artnay, you mean the offical gnome one?
[10:59] <artnay> will they change it? what do they want out of it?
[10:59] <andreasn> and still following the tango-guidelines
[10:59] <artnay> lapo: no, dapper one
[10:59] <artnay> well they will change it but to what
[10:59] <andreasn> artnay: url?
[10:59] <artnay> umh
[11:00] <artnay> don't have a one
[11:00] <artnay> it basically the same as it has been in the earlier versions
[11:00] <artnay> a bit modified
[11:00] <lapo> artnay, I think the guy who is doing th offical gnome splash could thelp them
[11:00] <artnay> and then there reads with a big font "THIS IS NOT THE FINAL ARTWORK FOR DAPPER"
[11:00] <lapo> well, he woulc be happy to help them
[11:00] <artnay> so it seems the development is being done somewhere
[11:00] <lapo> *hint* *hint* :-)
[11:01] <artnay> but who is working on that?
[11:01] <andreasn> well, anyway, it seems that some set featuring tango will go into dapper, but only in extras
[11:01] <andreasn> what, the guy working on the gnome-splash for 2.14? me?
[11:01] <lapo> eheh
[11:01] <artnay> actually the same thing happened with usplash on the very first dapper month
[11:01] <artnay> it read "UBUNTU DAPPER" with big, ugly white font
[11:02] <artnay> then they changed it
[11:02] <artnay> just for laughs, eh?
[11:02] <andreasn> tango may be the default in xubuntu btw, just need to help those guys with some extra icons
[11:02] <artnay> yeah, I read the log
[11:02] <lapo> artnay, the right way(TM) is:
[11:03] <artnay> default tango or a bit modified tango?
[11:03] <andreasn> in xubuntu?
[11:03] <andreasn> default I think
[11:03] <artnay> ok, I was just thinking of the colours
[11:03] <lapo> * follow the tango guidelines to do a branded theme following the tango guidelines (something like what I did) and iherits tango (or git2) icons
[11:04] <lapo> * contribut to tango (or git2) the missing icons
[11:04] <lapo> the new git2 will have a lot less icons than current git, integrated with -extra themes for mimetypes
[11:04] <andreasn> artnay: if xubuntu get a silver-identity (just as ubuntu is brown and orange and kubuntu is blue), then xubuntu could get grey folders
[11:05] <lapo> lets say gnome-theme-artists-extras may contain all the different mimetypes icons for images and the like
[11:05] <artnay> andreasn: that's what I was thinking, modify the colour scheme to fit the look of *buntu
[11:05] <artnay> but that brings some problems
[11:05] <andreasn> what problems?
[11:06] <artnay> if only you could decide DE-centric colours with CSS to icon theme
[11:06] <artnay> what if user is using GNOME and XFCE?
[11:06] <artnay> and by default it should fit both of them
[11:06] <lapo> artnay, I don't believe the css idea can work nicely
[11:07] <artnay> but that's a minor issue, it's better to have a nice set that fits the default CD media
[11:07] <andreasn> well, there could be xubuntu-jazzdance (a package with just the grey folders that inhereits tango)
[11:07] <lapo> artnay, look at the color modification of the folders I did, I didn't changed only the body color, I had to make the wave and the inner stroke more evident
[11:07] <artnay> if one downloads *-desktop, he can most probably change the icons as well
[11:08] <lapo> artnay, I nicer way is to use a different theme with the alternative folders that inherits the base theme, as andreasn is saying
[11:08] <artnay> could you provide a link once again? my backlog is full and I just cleared private data
[11:09] <lapo> http://xoomer.virgilio.it/bat/dappericons/
[11:09] <artnay> *bookmarked*
[11:09] <artnay> so is the folder icon the main concern with tango and different *buntus?
[11:09] <andreasn> lapo: wow, nice printer
[11:10] <lapo> tnx
[11:10] <andreasn> artnay: yeah, if you want to fit a certain color scheme
[11:10] <lapo> artanay, one theme per *buntu with only the folder
[11:11] <artnay> so are you guys thinking of adding an extension to some MIME icons?
[11:11] <lapo> artnay, lets say, ubuntu base icon theme + ubuntu theme, kubuntu theme, xubuntu theme
[11:11] <lapo> uhm?
[11:11] <lapo> can you rephrase it?
[11:12] <artnay> like PNG/JPG/GIF or OGG/MP3/WAV/ACC in the icon
[11:12] <artnay> all should the colour do it?
[11:12] <lapo> the idea is to have something like an extension system
[11:12] <lapo> uhm?
[11:12] <artnay> to differ formats from each other
[11:13] <lapo> artnay, dunno exactly at the moment
[11:13] <artnay> that's against hig but it would be much better that way
[11:13] <lapo> against hig?
[11:13] <artnay> I was pleasantaly surprised that the guy who is developing ubuntu icon set chose that way
[11:13] <artnay> no unnecessary text in icons, whatever that means
[11:14] <lapo> artnay, I think the file manager should place the text labels if the user want, but we are not at that point atm
[11:14] <artnay> that's mostly audio icon issue as many people use picture preview
[11:15] <lapo> artnay, dunno about audio, the only ideas I have atm are for images, someone will surelly came up sith something good for audio btw
[11:16] <lapo> tango have a nice community with a good number of nice artists involved
[11:16] <artnay> I won't be telling my mom that don't put green audio files into your mp3 player as it can't play them, just use the yellow and blue ones
[11:16] <andreasn> so, klepas suggested that we should do a total tango-branded set (gdm, splash etc. with the tango-logo and stuff)...what do you think about that
[11:17] <lapo> as I said klepas I don't think it's the right course of action
[11:17] <andreasn> I'm not sure about the tango-branding though
[11:17] <andreasn> lapo: I agree
[11:17] <lapo> tango branding is bad
[11:17] <lapo> tango is not about branding
[11:18] <andreasn> yes, the only people that should be aware of tango is developers, not like my mother-in-law
[11:18] <artnay> if everything is "tango", my mom will be using tango as her next os then x)
[11:20] <andreasn> lapo: I'm more for having stuff based on your dapper-icons and gdm-themes etc. that follow the guidelines but still feels bold
[11:20] <andreasn> and brave
[11:21] <lapo> I'm more for it as well :-)
[11:21] <andreasn> as that is ubuntus real strengh brand-wize, while osx is elegant and cold and windows is...whatever windows is
[11:22] <lapo> the right word, is a mess :)
[11:22] <andreasn> windows wants to be what osx is asteticly aswell
[11:22] <artnay> familiar to most of the people, I'd say :p
[11:22] <artnay> vista doesn't even have icons yet
[11:22] <artnay> neither does dapper
[11:23] <andreasn> vista don't have icons?
[11:23] <artnay> its icon set is not complete yet
[11:23] <artnay> the icons released are just teasers
[11:23] <artnay> the final artwork will be released later on
[11:24] <artnay> icon artwork, as they will use aero glass and that black elegant start menu
[11:24] <andreasn> well, anyway, my point is that ubuntu is very different from both osx and windows asteticly, being more human, we should work on that
[11:24] <artnay> true
[11:24] <andreasn> human, but also, with this new orange tint and style, very brave
[11:25] <andreasn> as some people hate orange and some love it
[11:25] <artnay> it was rather surprising decision
[11:25] <andreasn> but a good one
[11:26] <artnay> somehow it reminds me of os x folder blue
[11:27] <andreasn> the tango-ones?
[11:27] <andreasn> or lapos dapper-icons?
[11:27] <andreasn> or the ones proposed for dapper?
[11:28] <artnay> just the colour, for some reason it reminds of os x
[11:28] <artnay> being so bright I guess
[11:29] <andreasn> what folder?
[11:29] <artnay> yeah, the orange colour used in folders
[11:29] <artnay> I liked the brown in human yasis but I guess it blends too well with the background they're thinking of
[11:30] <artnay> so orange should have your focus on a brown desktop, I guess
[11:30] <andreasn> where can I find human yasis?
[11:30] <andreasn> yeah, brown and orange looks good together
[11:31] <artnay> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=33674
[11:34] <andreasn> so, is anyone with me on a bold and brave set following the tango-palette
[11:35] <lapo> do I have to answer? :-)
[11:36] <lapo> I'll surelly help you
[11:36] <artnay> andreasn: using palette where?
[11:37] <andreasn> in splashes, gdm etc
[11:37] <lapo> sabdfl is online
[11:37] <lapo> should I try to invite him here?
[11:37] <artnay> andreasn: sure thing if it's not overused. colourful is fine, but too much colours will make epileptic
[11:38] <artnay> lapo: I think many other things keep him busy
[11:38] <artnay> and he watches ML
[11:38] <artnay> unless we really have an agenda here, I wouldn't invite him
[11:38] <artnay> what the hell, go ahead if you want to have a chat with him :)
[11:38] <artnay> maybe he could enlighten us
[11:39] <lapo> let's see
[11:43] <artnay> andreasn: you said the decision using orange is good
[11:43] <artnay> I wonder how far will they go with it
[11:43] <lapo> artnay, uhm?
[11:44] <artnay> will it only be used in icons and which icons etc.
[11:45] <lapo> artnay, with the style they are using I think they should do a lot of icons so they can use orange in every place they want
[11:45] <andreasn> artnay: well, it would be sane to use it together with brown and gray
[11:45] <andreasn> and perhaps some red
[11:46] <artnay> but the rumour has it that brown will be changed for dapper+1
[11:46] <artnay> which would be a shame
[11:48] <andreasn> well, as long as they keep using warm colors and don't go away from the ubuntu-identity so to say
[11:52] <artnay> true, brown is easy to eyes (at least compared to horrible luna)
[11:57] <andreasn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDapperLook
[11:57] <andreasn> #dapper-look
[11:58] <artnay> I wonder why /Artwork isn't being used. that was the idea of it originally, have one place for all artwork stuff
[11:58] <artnay> easier to track changes and get the overall picture
[11:58] <andreasn> lapo: I need to go to class now, perhaps you can chat to some people making the decitions
[11:59] <lapo> see you later andreasn
[11:59] <andreasn> in #dapper-look
[11:59] <andreasn> I'll tune in at 18:00 or something
[11:59] <artnay> bye
[12:14] <sabdfl> hi guys!
[12:15] <lapo> hi mark, tnx for your attention
[12:15] <lapo> and sorry for the intrusion
[12:15] <lapo> btw, I've seen your new dappericons
[12:15] <sabdfl> np
[12:16] <sabdfl> i've just seen yours :-)
[12:16] <lapo> I think you should make your artists follows the tango guidelines
[12:16] <lapo> as you can see from the icons I did, you can do it with little modifications
[12:16] <sabdfl> i'm not mad about the tango guidelines, they seem to need to settle out quite a bit still
[12:17] <lapo> and the whole desktop experience will surelly be better
[12:17] <lapo> uhm..the guidelines are quite clear and simple
[12:17] <lapo> consider that new git will be tango style
[12:18] <lapo> youre icons fits well with the current git, but not so well with the next git
[12:18] <lapo> using tango will give you various benefits
[12:18] <lapo> firt of all less icons to draw :-)
[12:18] <lapo> first even
[12:19] <lapo> doing a complete icon theme is an enormous effort
[12:19] <lapo> have you ever used redhat/fedora?
[12:21] <lapo> bluecurve is the most complete icon theme around (not consider gnome-icon-theme), but it doesn't fits well wit the rest of the icons, so the desktop experience feels uncomplete
[12:21] <lapo> when I use redhat the first thing I do is to change the icon theme to git
[12:22] <lapo> using a "tango compliant" theme will let you integrate well with tango and git2 theme at least (as well oxygen probably since thier guidelines are similar to tango's)
[12:23] <lapo> so you'll need to draw only the icons revelant for branding (more or less the ones I did) and inherits the rest
[12:23] <lapo> so to summurize
[12:24] <lapo> * less icons to draw
[12:24] <lapo> * better desktop experience
[12:24] <lapo> tango actually have a nice community with lot of good people contributing to it
[12:24] <lapo> so you don't have to maintain a full set of icons
[12:27] <lapo> this is how the next git will looks like: http://jimmac.musichall.cz/i.php?i=git2
[12:28] <lapo> I think I wasted enough of your time now :-)
[12:38] <sabdfl> not wasted
[12:38] <sabdfl> that's useful info
[12:42] <lapo> I have no time to do all the icons for ubuntu, but I can surelly help, you could check on tango-artists ml or on #tango if there are artists who can do the job
[12:44] <adl> think so too, its useful info if you ask me, no time wasted
[12:58] <jimmac> howdy folks
[12:58] <lapo> yo jimmac
[01:00] <jimmac> so what's the latest status on the dapper icon theme?
[01:00] <sabdfl> not yet
[01:01] <sabdfl> hey jimmac
[01:01] <sabdfl> we're hoping to get a first cut of that packaged today
[01:02] <jimmac> one thing you probably talked with lapo is about making the style follow tango style guidelines...
[01:37] <klepas> sabdfl: ping
[01:45] <jsgotangco> klepas, try #dapper-look
[02:01] <klepas> jsgotangco: cheers


[11:24] <rmg51> Morning
[13:08] <InHisName> Morning
[13:08] <JonathanD> pinball!
[13:08] <JonathanD> and morning.
[13:09] <InHisName> time to eat and run off to pacs .....
[13:14] <rmg51> later all PACS time
[13:15] <rmg51> but sadly no pinball :P
[14:05] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples
[14:06] <teddy-dbear> who wants to pick me up and take me to pinball?
[15:13] <JonathanD> rmg51: it's not til 4, you still have time for pinball AND pacs :P
[15:14] <rmg51> sorry, but I have to babysit Mom
[15:14] <JonathanD> Does mom like pinball? :P
[15:14] <JonathanD> Where is teddy?
[15:14] <rmg51> no
[15:14] <rmg51> just Teddy
[15:14] <JonathanD> back in a bit, hitting the store.
[15:14] <teddy-dbear> I'm the one that needs a ride


[15:12] <Hattory> Hi guys.. can I suggest a news for the next NL edition?
[15:14] <Hattory> You can find the article here: http://www.mdke.org/?p=94
[15:15] <Hattory> For the Ubuntu Italian Team is a special event :D
[15:24] <Hattory> boredandblogging, when you have a free time, can you read it please? ;)
[16:38] <hattory_> for any question please contact me at hattory @ ubuntu
[16:38] <hattory_> bye
[21:00] <juliux> boredandblogging, ping
[22:04] <juliux> hey jenda any news about the stickers?


[08:12] <apw> asala (N,BTOW5MBFTL) they have checksums and signatures for the checksums ...
[10:49] <_ami_> if i raise patch for ubuntu kernel, will it automatically reach to upstream linux kernel repo later on?
[10:51] <apw> _ami_, we will normally recommend you send it upstream yourself if you are able, you get the credit etc
[10:51] <_ami_> apw: ok.
[10:52] <apw> _ami_, if you want it reviewed before or just don't want to deal with upstream, we might be persuaded to help etc
[10:52] <apw> they can be somewhat abrasive
[10:54] <_ami_> apw: :), i started learning device driver few weeks back. i think on 27th Aug last month.
[10:55] <_ami_> i did raise two patches to upstream yet (very small ones). one got rejected by saying its not real improvement though.
[10:55] <_ami_> 2nd is yet to get reviewed.
[10:55] <_ami_> so i know what you meant abt abrasive.  :)
[10:55] <apw> _ami_, change is always risky, and they tend to be risk averse
[10:57] <ogra_> no risk no fun !
[10:58] <ogra_> (someone had to ... sorry :) )
[11:01] <_ami_> ogra_: indeed, it is.
[11:05] <_ami_> i want to discuss abt gpio subsystem in kernel
[11:06] <_ami_> by looking at the gpiolib-sysfs code, i can see there is no support of pullupdown ctrl on GPIO pins.
[11:06] <_ami_> i think there should be a device attribute file to control pulldownup of GPIO pins.
[11:07] <_ami_> Many MCUs support it. like atmel avrs (although they have weird way of enabling pull ups :) )
[11:07] <_ami_> rpi2 GPIOs pins are also have this ctrs.
[11:07] <_ami_> ctrl*
[11:08] <_ami_> so i wonder if its a good idea to support pulldownup in linux kernel?
[11:08] <_ami_> what do you guys think abt it?
[11:10] <_ami_> gpiod_ API will also require too for this.
[11:11] <_ami_> apw: should i start working on it? By implementation, i shall learn more abt kernel.
[14:58] <willcooke> hi all,  I'm being asked if USB-C "will be properly supported" in 16.10.  Assuming it's an Intel chipset, does any know if there any significant improvements coming down the pipe?
[15:22] <ricotz> willcooke, I guess you want to specify what you mean with USB-C ;)
[15:23] <ricotz> I assume you are referring to Thunderbolt 3
[15:25] <willcooke> hmm, good questions and I'm not sure I know the answers.  I guess this boils down to "are there newer Intel USB 3x chipset drivers in the kernel in 16.10"
[17:00] <manjo> rtg, is it possible to turn on udeb builds in tangerine ? is there some flag I can set to turn on udebs ?
[17:01] <rtg> manjo, disable_d_i
[17:01] <manjo> rtg, disable_d_i=false ?
[17:01] <rtg> manjo, 'disable_d_i='
[17:02] <manjo> ah cool thanks


[05:46] <cfhowlett> welcome Vysty
[05:46] <Vysty> Word.
[05:46] <Vysty> Where would I post stuff about my workflow?
[05:47] <cfhowlett> Vysty, facebook group, ubuntustudio forums .... even the wiki!
[05:47] <Vysty> Oof.
[05:47] <Vysty> Is that the link to the forums up there?
[05:48] <Vysty> Blargh, how about: what is the link to the forum?
[05:48] <cfhowlett> Vysty, wait 1
[05:49] <cfhowlett> https://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=335  and https://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334       for ubuntustudio and multimedia software
[05:50] <Vysty> I'll probably come in here asking you for that again later.
[05:50] <cfhowlett> we really should have them in the channel header.  I'll ask our channel mod
[05:52] <Vysty> BOOM!! Converted!
[05:52] <cfhowlett> eh, whot?
[05:53] <Vysty> I finally got it to work!
[05:53] <Vysty> I literally have been battling this problem for weeks and solving it involved buying a new computer.
[05:53] <cfhowlett> easy peasy.  As I tell my students, it's all in the wrist.
[05:53] <Vysty> I just saw the fruit of my labors that I started weeks ago.
[05:53] <cfhowlett> now that you saved dough from NOT buying hardware, max out your ram?
[05:53] <Vysty> No, I already bought the new computer.
[05:54] <cfhowlett> alright then.
[05:54] <Vysty> It was time. I was working with a laptop I got in 2011.
[05:55] <Vysty> How do I max out my RAM?
[05:57] <ObrienDave> buy more
[05:58] <ObrienDave> how much depends on the max allowed by your system and your wallet ;P
[06:00] <Vysty> ObrienDave: I had aimed that question at another guy. Just bought a new system. :)
[06:10] <ObrienDave> Vysty, it's ok, many people here can advise and help at the same time
[06:11] <Vysty> ObrienDave: Appreciated!
[06:11] <Vysty> ObrienDave: The RAM comment was kind of a side thing. Now I need to figure out how to use WinFF for what I want to do.
[06:11] <ObrienDave> i know nothing about WinFF, sorry
[06:11] <Vysty> ObrienDave: Do you have an... answered my question. :D
[06:11] <cfhowlett> Vysty, truly easy to find http://winff.org/html_new/documentation.html
[06:12] <Vysty> The official documentation has a 404 error
[06:12] <Vysty> In English, anyway.
[06:12] <ObrienDave> i have dabbled with kideo editing. KdenLive for example
[06:12] <ObrienDave> *video
[06:12] <Vysty> Kdenlive is on my workflow list for what I'm doing.
[06:15] <ObrienDave> yea, i've tried a few but have had them crash when I try to meld very large videos together. sot sure what the issue is
[06:16] <ObrienDave> *not


[01:30] <minshallj> what's the best way to wrap the basic button text in qml?
[01:32] <Akiva-Thinkpad> minshallj, oh hey
[01:32] <Akiva-Thinkpad> minshallj, here are Three ways
[01:32] <Akiva-Thinkpad> that I know of
[01:33] <Akiva-Thinkpad> a) Bad Way - Set the button properties to automatically wrap at a certain width
[01:33] <Akiva-Thinkpad> b) Set the text to HTML/CSS formatting, and use <br>
[01:34] <Akiva-Thinkpad> c) Set the text to regular, and just use \n
[01:34] <Akiva-Thinkpad> minshallj, Does that answer your question?
[01:34] <minshallj> I think so, I'll try it out, thanks Akiva-Thinkpad
[01:34] <Akiva-Thinkpad> minshallj, let me know how it works out
[01:38] <minshallj> I guess I'll use the newline. I just thought there might be an easy property to set, like Text has wrapMode, but Button just has a text: field.
[01:39] <minshallj> Akiva-Thinkpad: can a) set the button's text to wrap at the button's width?
[01:40] <Akiva-Thinkpad> minshallj, oh good question.
[01:40] <Akiva-Thinkpad> minshallj, do you mean that you can set the width to which the text will wrap, ie the margins inside the button?
[01:41] <minshallj> yes
[01:43] <Akiva-Thinkpad> minshallj, I do not know off the top of my head, however in this case I think it is easiest to make a custom button at this point.
[01:43] <Akiva-Thinkpad> create a new file, first component Item{}
[01:44] <Akiva-Thinkpad> and within that, put a Shape{} and a Text{} in it, like a label or something
[01:44] <Akiva-Thinkpad> then what you would do is set the texts anchors to points inside the button
[01:44] <minshallj> ok, sounds good
[01:44] <minshallj> so the button just isn't advanced enough to be stand alone
[03:27] <Akiva-Thinkpad> bah
[06:41] <mihir> good morning everyone :)
[06:56] <nik90> mihir: morning
[06:59] <nik90> mihir: I am going split our mp into multiple small ones for easy review. They will depend on one other and should go in a particular order.
[07:01] <mihir> nik90: yeah , was thinking of same, shall we split views , so we ca?n do it lil faster
[07:10] <nik90> Yes
[07:11] <nik90> mihir: also name the branches as 1-branch name, 2-branch name and so on to indicate the order
[07:11] <mihir__> nik90: okay
[07:11] <mihir__> nik90: i'll do that..
[07:11] <mihir__> i'll start with day view first..
[07:12] <nik90> mihir: let the header actions go first?
[07:12] <mihir__> nik90: okay  :) agreed followed by other changes.
[07:12] <nik90> We need that in all the views as prerequisitite
[07:13]  * mihir__ pulls latest branch
[07:13] <mihir__> nik90: i'll put each branch in ubuntu-cal-dev
[07:15] <nik90> Yes definitely
[07:24] <dholbach> good morning
[07:25] <nik90> good morning
[07:27] <nik90> mihir__: fix https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni/ubuntu-calendar-app/ColorPopUpModify/+merge/235205 ...a small typo
[07:28] <mihir__> my vm got crazy today , haha
[07:39] <liuxg> what is the correct C++ lib for parsing the xml for scope development?
[07:45] <nik90> mihir__: I made my MP https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-calendar-app/tweak-event-color/+merge/235137 to be small as well.
[07:46] <nik90> mihir__: it now only adds bg color to the events
[07:51] <mihir__> nik90: ohkie , then by tonight we'll have 5-8 branches hehe
[07:51] <nik90> mihir__: :-), I will help
[07:51] <nik90> mihir__: did you already start with the first split?
[07:52] <mihir__> nik90: without that it is not possible hehe :D
[07:52] <mihir__> nik90: yes..i have started
[07:52] <nik90> mihir__: ok go odd-numbered..so you do 1-mp, 3-mp and so on
[07:52] <nik90> mihir__: i will take even-numbered ones
[07:53] <mihir__> nice idea..
[07:53] <mihir__> so lets number now so we don't get conflict
[07:53] <nik90> mihir__: so ping me when you are done with the first mp. I will then get started on the second one
[07:54] <nik90> mihir__: 1-move-common-actions
[07:54] <mihir__> nik90: okay got it , http://paste.ubuntu.com/8378130/
[07:54] <mihir__> feel free to change order
[08:18] <mihir__> nik90: i proposed a branch https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calendar-dev/ubuntu-calendar-app/1-RemovedDuplicateHeaders/+merge/235246
[08:18] <mihir__> popey: ping
[08:18] <mihir__> nik90: did you see kunal's comment :-/
[08:18] <mihir__> ?
[08:19] <nik90> mihir__: yeah I will explain..it should be fine
[08:19] <mihir__> nik90: okay thanks :)
[08:19] <mihir__> btw, still do we need separate branches , if he has already reviewed ?
[08:21] <mihir__> nik90: lets get it merged one by one :) so we don't end up in merging in all branches
[08:21] <nik90> ok
[08:22] <mihir__> nik90: thanks :)
[08:22] <nik90> mihir__: can you quickly review https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-calendar-app/tweak-event-color/+merge/235137
[08:22]  * mihir__ do the review
[08:22] <nik90> mihir__: it now only adds bg color to events..no opacity, or font tweaks or anythign of that sort
[08:27] <mihir__> nik90: reviewed and top approved
[08:28] <nik90> thnx
[08:35] <nik90> mihir__: does https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calendar-dev/ubuntu-calendar-app/1-RemovedDuplicateHeaders/+merge/235246 require any AP changes?
[08:36] <mihir__> nik90: nope, we added objectName as previously so no ap changes
[08:36] <mihir__> same as previously*
[08:36] <nik90> mihir__: cool
[08:37] <vitimiti> hi
[08:41] <mihir__> nik90: ping
[08:42] <nik90> mihir__: I am here, you don't need to ping ;P
[08:44] <nik90> mihir__: shall I start the next one? looks like 1-RemovedDuplicateHeaders is almost good to go
[08:44] <mihir__> nik90: instead of you wrote common header can't we just use EventAction {} , i just tried and worked
[08:44] <mihir__> nik90: like this ,http://paste.ubuntu.com/8378345/
[08:45] <nik90> mihir__: that would mean you are instantiating a EvenAction{} in every view individually
[08:45] <nik90> mihir__: while now, we instantiate it once in the calendar.qml file and then just past it to different view as required
[08:45] <mihir__> hmmm okay i got that , thought differnetly
[08:46] <mihir__> nik90: yeah you can go ahead with the second one :)
[08:46] <nik90> mihir__: could you provide me a code diff to that..I can understand better then
[08:46] <mihir__> can you just review 1st and merge
[08:46] <nik90> I am just waiting on kunal's reply
[08:47] <nik90> mihir__: btw can you remove "120	+ // #FIXME: This action doesn't seem to be visible!" that issue is no longer present
[08:48] <mihir__> nik90: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8378373/
[08:48] <nik90> mihir__: if you do ^^ then do you still see the "Calendar Today" action?
[08:49] <mihir__> nik90: yes , i also tried to move that today action to Event Action and it worked on my machine
[08:49] <nik90> mihir__: but the today action is not a generic one though..its trigger function varies depending on the view
[08:51] <mihir__> nik90: ohh yes , i forgot that ,VAR is diff  , from diff views
[08:54] <mihir__> nik90: let me know once you done with second branch , i'll go out and come back within an hour or so
[08:54] <nik90> sure
[08:54]  * mihir__ hates his ISP
[09:07] <JamesTait> Yo ho ho, 'n' shiver me timbers! 'appy Friday 'n' 'appy Talk Like a Pirate Day!  Yaaarrr! :-D
[09:08] <nik90> mihir__: hey there's an issue with your branch
[09:08] <mihir__> nik90: what is that?
[09:09] <mihir__> nik90: i'll check once i come back..
[09:09] <mihir__> Jenkins didn't like my MR hehee
[09:09] <mihir__> ;)
[09:09] <mzanetti> JamesTait: Arrr, its that day again :)
[09:09] <nik90> mihir__: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8378489/
[09:10] <nik90> mihir__: it is a real failure
[09:10] <nik90> mihir__: you copies the wrong trigger functions
[09:10] <nik90> s/copies/copied
[09:31] <rpadovani> dpm, mzanetti bug 1371516
[09:31] <rpadovani> mardy, what do you think? ^^
[09:41] <nik90> mihir__: I fixed the issues in your branch
[09:43] <dpm> thanks rpadovani
[10:27] <dholbach> beuno, is https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-portal/+bug/1355807 a priority right now? or some time soon?
[10:39] <mardy> rpadovani: hi! I commented on bug 1371516, and closed it; please discuss also with mpt, if you really think that that feature is needed
[10:43] <rpadovani> mardy, thanks. I think that using includeDisabled will help me to implement a better workflow, and for now is enough
[10:54] <mihir__> nik90: ohh shit, :(
[10:54] <mihir__> nik90: that was bad mistake hehe
[10:55] <mihir__> nik90: i just came back home, have ou started working on 2nd?
[10:55] <mihir__> you*
[11:07] <nik90> mihir__: yeah it is actually harder splitting the branches than i expected
[11:07] <nik90> mihir__: but I am almost done
[11:07] <nik90> mihir__: but you will have to be really really careful and test since we are essentially building from scratch.
[11:08] <nik90> mihir__: would you be able to test in the office? If not I can propose the branches
[11:08] <mihir__> nik90: yup i found the same, so i again informed do we really need to split after kunal's comment?
[11:09] <nik90> mihir__: well I am done with week view.. just fixing the ap tests now
[11:09] <mihir__> nik90: can't we go with same branch again , or it is not advisible ?
[11:09] <nik90> mihir__: all that is left is day view, month and year view
[11:09] <mihir__> ohkie :)
[11:09] <nik90> mihir__: which same branch?
[11:10] <mihir__> the main from which we are splitting
[11:10] <nik90> mihir__: not advisable
[11:10] <mihir__> hmmm okay
[11:10] <nik90> mihir__: tbh each of these split branches makes more sense when you look at it
[11:10] <nik90> review it*
[11:10] <mihir__> let me know once you do with it, i'll then work on other
[11:11] <mihir__> i'll review and test that first , once that get merged i'll work on other,
[11:11] <nik90> ok
[11:21] <nik90> mihir__: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calendar-dev/ubuntu-calendar-app/2-Improve-WeekView/+merge/235271
[11:22] <nik90> mihir__: I going to create 3-Improve-DayView since it is closely related to week view. You can then start on 4-Improve-MonthView. Sounds ok?
[11:22] <nik90> you can even do the year view bit in that branch
[12:06] <ahoneybun> yay my phone should be here today not saturday!
[12:30] <beuno> dholbach, it isn't, it will be soon
[12:33] <dholbach> beuno, thanks
[12:38] <mihir__> nik90: ping
[12:38] <nik90> mihir__: pong
[12:38] <mihir__> hey , i am going to review your MR now
[12:39] <nik90> mihir__: cool. I fixed all AP issues. The tests should pass now
[12:39] <nik90> mihir__: did you get my previous comments about the dayview branch?
[12:40] <mihir__> nik90: yeah i saw that , continue
[12:40] <nik90> mihir__: cool. So you will be taking care of month and year and the rest.
[12:40] <mihir__> nik90: sure  :)
[12:44] <mihir__> nik90:  you planning to change timer in Dayview ?
[12:44] <nik90> mihir__: timer?
[12:44] <mihir__> the time which is in center , we made it on left pane right?
[12:45] <nik90> mihir__: yes I did that in the day view branch
[12:45] <nik90> mihir__: it wasn't necessary in the week view branch
[12:45] <mihir__> nik90: okay :) no issue
[12:45] <mihir__> it'll change in weekview as well right ?
[12:51] <nik90> yes
[12:52] <nik90> mihir__: weekview uses that component as well
[12:53] <mihir__> nik90: one of AP is failing i guess on your MR
[12:53] <mihir__> >>> calendar_app.tests.test_weekview.TestWeekView.test_selecting_a_day_switches_to_day_view
[12:54] <popey> nik90: when do you want clock pushing to the store?
[12:54] <nik90> popey: may be at the end of the day?
[12:54] <nik90> popey: jenkins autolanding was failing yesterday due to bug in phablet-tools
[12:54] <nik90> popey: I think it just got pushed to utopic-proposed. Once that lands, I can merge 2-3 MPs
[12:55] <nik90> popey: balloons commented about that in dpm's reboot translation branch
[12:55] <nik90> mihir__: can you give me a hand with the failing test pls. you wrote it so you might know better
[12:56] <mihir__> nik90:  i am looking into it wait
[12:56] <nik90> mihir__: thnx
[12:59] <popey> nik90: yeah, thats what triggered me asking.
[12:59] <popey> nik90: lets do it later then.
[12:59] <nik90> popey: yup. ack
[12:59] <mihir__> nik90: it is dependency to day view
[13:00] <nik90> mihir__: hmm :/
[13:01] <nik90> mihir__: can you disable and then test then
[13:01] <nik90> mihir__: I will enable it in the day view branch
[13:01] <nik90> I just pushed the day view branch as well
[13:03] <mihir__> nik90:
[13:03] <mihir__> okay i reverted it
[13:03] <mihir__> now i day view branch just make that change in last AP as you did in weekview
[13:03] <nik90> ok
[13:04] <mihir__> nik90: to be precices , http://paste.ubuntu.com/8379669/
[13:04] <mihir__> i pushed the changes
[13:04] <nik90> cool thnx
[13:06] <mihir__> nik90: let this get approved and then i'll take a look at dayview
[13:06] <nik90> mihir__: ok
[13:44] <vitimiti> hi
[13:46] <nik90> mihir: hey the week view branch passed :)
[13:47] <nik90> mihir: if you were happy with the review can you approve it.. Not top approve.
[13:47] <nik90> mihir: same with the day view
[13:47] <nik90> Mirv: mean while you can already start on the year view branch parallelly if you want
[13:48] <mihir> nik90: doing it, and why not Top Approv ?
[13:48] <mihir> approve*
[13:48] <nik90> mihir: I thought may be kunal might have some thoughts
[13:48] <mihir> nik90: okay,
[13:49] <nik90> mihir: actually if you want go ahead and top-approve since he did approve during the meeting yesterday
[13:50] <Mirv> nik90: ok :)
[13:50] <mihir> nik90: yes sure , i'll top approve this  :) and once it merged..you can merge trunk with day view
[13:50] <nik90> Mirv: oops ...it is so confusing with both of you nicks :P
[13:51] <nik90> mihir: that wont be necessary
[13:51] <nik90> mihir: the week view is a prerequisite of the day view branch
[13:51] <nik90> mihir: so it should all work out fine
[13:51] <mihir> okay
[14:05] <mihir> nik90: popey i was trying this with eventDetails , howz this ,http://i.imgur.com/aCD6z6u.png ?
[14:07] <mihir> nik90: can day view looks cool :)
[14:08] <nik90> mihir: I like the eventDetails page. Can you remove those bold words like Location, Guests, and Remind Me? Replace them with ListItem.Header as that's what we need to use there.
[14:08] <mihir> nik90: yup that is in progress :)
[14:08] <nik90> mihir: ah cool
[14:09] <nik90> mihir: also it would be better if it read "personal calendar" instead of just "personal"
[14:09] <nik90> will make it more clear to the user what that is
[14:09] <mihir> nik90: sure :)
[14:16] <mihir> nik90: i'll push Month and yearview changes in a while
[14:17] <nik90> yeah sure no worries
[14:17] <nik90> I am bit busy now with clock anyway ;)
[14:40] <balloons> nik90, so mind if I switch roles and quiz you now? I'm curious about ActivityIndicator in my app. I'd like some animation to appear, but I'm not seeing anything when it's 'active'
[14:41] <nik90> balloons: :)
[14:42] <nik90> balloons: you don't see the activityindicator at all?
[14:42] <balloons> nik90, I set visible and running to a property. Then I set the property to true, and I would expect to see the circle animation, yes?
[14:43] <nik90> balloons: yes
[14:43] <nik90> balloons: could it be that the activity indicator is hidden beneath some elements? May be just try setting visible and running to true and see if it appears
[14:44] <nik90> balloons: if not, then console output the property which is assigned to the running property to see if it changes correctly
[14:45] <mihir> nik90: what if we want to put appened text in i18n.tr ?
[14:46] <mihir> from JS
[14:46] <nik90> mihir: I remember reading about it a long time back but cannot remember exactly how.
[14:46] <mihir> ahhh , hmmm :|
[14:46] <nik90> mihir: is it not possible in the UI after JS returns the value?
[14:47] <mihir> i might need to use in two cases
[14:47] <mihir> i am assigning value from JS , say take example of calendar
[14:47] <mihir> Personal (Comes from JS object) + "Calendar"
[14:47] <mihir> so i need to put the last append in i18n
[14:47] <balloons> nik90, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8380290/
[14:49] <nik90> mihir: then do it like i18n.tr("%1 Calendar").arg(valuefromjsobject)
[14:49] <nik90> balloons: it looks good..checking on my desktop
[14:50] <mihir> ahh , that was simple :|
[14:51] <mihir> but i see, i18n works from JS too ,i didn't knew that
[14:52] <balloons> ohh, I see it finally in my actual app.  But it's small and appears in the upper left corner
[14:52] <nik90> balloons: ah ofound the mistake in your sample app
[14:52] <balloons> excellent
[14:52] <nik90> balloons: it should be "true" and not "True"
[14:52] <nik90> balloons: as for your positioning that should be easy to do
[14:52] <balloons> perhaps I should black out the screen and center it?
[14:52] <nik90> balloons: if you want it deadcenter in your app, then something like "anchors.centerIn = parent"
[14:53] <balloons> it's waiting for a network refresh after pressing a button
[14:53] <nik90> balloons: yes, you can create a Rectangle{ color: "Black"; opacity: 0.5; anchors.fill: parent }
[14:53] <nik90> balloons: and then add the activity inside the rectangle
[14:54] <balloons> right.. thanks, I think that's what I'm after
[14:54] <nik90> balloons: you want me create a sample code for that? should take 30 secs
[14:55] <balloons> nik90, I wonder about the visible setting? visible: ActivityIndicator.visible
[14:55] <balloons> for the rectangle.. sure
[14:56] <nik90> 1 sec
[14:58] <nik90> balloons: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8380368/
[14:58] <balloons> ahh.. silly me, use the id
[14:58] <balloons> cool, so I was right on.. thanks nik90 !
[14:59] <nik90> balloons: indeed :)
[14:59] <nik90> balloons: oh one more thing
[15:00] <nik90> balloons: you don't need to change the activity indicator visiblity setting
[15:00] <nik90> balloons: it is automatically hidden when not running and vice versa
[15:03] <balloons> nik90, awesome thanks. One other question, can I lock them out of the UI while it's running?
[15:04] <balloons> I see I can still push things.. I'm trying to prevent double submissions
[15:04] <nik90> balloons: lock them?
[15:04] <balloons> nik90, prevent them from interacting with UI elements
[15:04] <nik90> balloons: you could disable the button when it is retrieving stuff from the network
[15:04] <nik90> balloons: but I suspect there should be a better way of doing this for all input elements at once
[15:04] <balloons> I could hide them all as well
[15:05] <balloons> but what would you do?
[15:05] <balloons> I could put it in a popup?
[15:05]  * balloons tries the dialog
[15:05] <nik90> dialog would be your best bet
[15:06] <nik90> it automatically dims your screen for you..so it is a modal window
[15:06] <nik90> preventing input to elements in the background
[15:06] <popey> nik90: mihir also... let me know if you want me to push a new calendar update to the store, we're quite a few revs behind
[15:06] <popey> be good to get testing of calendar over the weekend too
[15:07] <ogra_> popey, i was asked to drop calendar and was planning to ask CI to remove the tests
[15:07] <mihir> popey: by tonight , i guess we're working on splitting the MR
[15:07] <nik90> mihir: if you get the year view stuff done this weekend, we can push an update to the store
[15:07] <mihir> nik90: i am about to finish that
[15:08] <nik90> ogra_: wow really?
[15:08] <nik90> ogra_: does that mean it wouldn't be part of the default image?
[15:10] <popey> nik90: mihir looks like they want to trim down some of the default apps on device
[15:11] <popey> it will of course still be in the store
[15:11] <popey> and we may indeed re-add it to the image.
[15:11] <mihir> popey: ohhh :|
[15:11] <nik90> ok
[15:11] <mihir> that's sad
[15:11] <ogra_> yes
[15:11] <popey> Yeah.
[15:12] <ogra_> worst decision ever if you ask me
[15:12] <mihir> any specific reason ?
[15:12] <popey> quality / usability
[15:12] <popey> the work you guys have been doing is stellar
[15:12] <nik90> ah man with all the cool UI improvements calendar it is shaping so nicely and a strong contender
[15:12] <popey> yeah.
[15:12] <popey> Lets discuss this at the sprint.
[15:13] <popey> (I mean, I'm not saying don't discuss now)
[15:13] <popey> I mean, when we're sat around a table and have design people in the room, that'll make life easier.
[15:13] <mihir> popey: if we can get more usabiltiy case we are ready to improve this
[15:14] <popey> All of the apps are under constant re-evaluation
[15:14] <mihir> hmmm okay
[15:14] <balloons> nik90, perhaps you could demo with the dialog if it would be quick? I didn't get it to go like I wanted
[15:15] <nik90> balloons: sure, 1 min
[15:15] <mihir> popey: btw, did you look at details screenshot i provided ?
[15:15] <popey> it's entirely possible for the vendor to say just ship the basic 6 apps dialer, browser, messaging, contact, clock, and no more
[15:15] <popey> mihir: been in meetings (and am in one right now) ☻  will do.
[15:15] <mihir> nik90: i pushed, lets Jenkins run
[15:15] <mihir> popey: okay great , but device without calendar :-/ (just wondering)
[15:15] <popey> so yeah, ogra_ go ahead and un-seed calendar, and we'll continue working on the usability over the coming weeks to refine it.
[15:16] <popey> its in the store.
[15:16] <popey> two clicks away ☻
[15:16] <mihir> popey: okay :)
[15:16] <ogra_> popey, ok, i'll have to talk to CI still
[15:16] <popey> we're not removing it from the store.
[15:16] <popey> ok
[15:16] <popey> thanks ogra_
[15:17] <mihir> popey: no issues, let make it that way we can add this again in default :)
[15:17] <mihir> popey: also the calculator :-?
[15:17] <popey> ogra_: is calendar the only one you've been asked to remove?
[15:17] <ogra_> and notes
[15:17] <popey> ok
[15:17] <popey> thanks
[15:19] <mihir> popey: http://i.imgur.com/7udUxcB.png ,
[15:20] <popey> why does it say "17:30 18:30"? is that start/end time?
[15:21] <mihir> yup
[15:21] <popey> needs a "-" between
[15:21] <popey> looks veeeery much like the android calendar ☻
[15:21] <mihir> ohh yeah
[15:21] <mihir> popey: took reference from that ☻
[15:21] <popey> so "17:30 - 18:30"
[15:22] <mihir> also , it looks more readable the information you wants get top
[15:22] <popey> yes, i agree
[15:25] <popey> mihir: how does the dialog look when shrunk down to phone size?
[15:27] <nik90> balloons: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8380567/
[15:27]  * mihir grabs screenshot
[15:28] <charles> nik90, could you take a look at https://www.dropbox.com/s/75m718bljgtvoml/2014-09-19%2015.22.40.mp4?dl=0
[15:29] <mihir> popey: http://imgur.com/23bykim
[15:29] <nik90> charles: sure
[15:29] <popey> mihir: nice!
[15:30] <mihir> popey: :)  it is still WIP  :)
[15:30] <nik90> charles: I noticed this last night as well
[15:30] <nik90> charles: did you by chance change the timezone of the phone before you did this?
[15:31] <charles> nik90: yes. specifically, I changed the timezone of the phone /after/ the clock app was launched
[15:31] <charles> nik90, haven't tried it yet with changing the timezone /before/ launching clock app
[15:32] <nik90> charles: I have a hunch on where the issue might light, will try it out and see how it goes
[15:32] <charles> nik90, cool
[15:33] <popey> mihir: it's looking good already, thank you!
[15:34] <mihir> nik90: Jenkins passed MR, could you please review it ?
[15:34] <mihir> popey: i have one question
[15:34] <nik90> mihir: yeah in a bit
[15:34] <popey> mihir: go for it.
[15:34] <mihir> popey: can we remove the location image?
[15:35] <mihir> popey: i don't think it make sense :|
[15:35] <popey> yes, I would.
[15:35] <mihir> generally , in location we have conference room name or something like that, never keep the map location
[15:35] <popey> yeah.
[15:35]  * popey pre-emptively points killer at beuno
[15:36] <mihir> popey: so is it okay, we remove the location image , correct ?
[15:39] <popey> mihir: is it possible to determine what kind of location it is in the field?
[15:40] <popey> does it come from EDS as a LAT/LONG?
[15:40] <mihir> popey: it is simple text :)
[15:40] <mihir> so if i say meeting at IRC it tries to find IRC in map
[15:41] <popey> i would remove it then, as we don't really use it properly.
[15:41] <mihir> we don't have LAT/LONG , and i am not sure weather EDS supports that
[15:41] <popey> nik90: agree?
[15:42] <nik90> popey: I was thinking may be we should try to check if the entered location is a valid location and hide it only for invalid cases. But I cannot of a way to do that check programmatically
[15:42] <nik90> think*
[15:42] <ahayzen> balloons_, elopio, was there a bug for removing patching of the mediascanner2 db?
[15:42] <popey> yeah, someone could put "London office" or "London", and it wouldn't know the difference
[15:42] <nik90> exactly
[15:43] <nik90> sure then we could remove it
[15:43] <popey> so we should just display the text?
[15:43] <popey> and remove the map?
[15:43] <nik90> yes
[15:43] <mihir> nik90: but at this stage , it doesn't make sense i guess, because
[15:43] <popey> +1
[15:43] <mihir> nik90: we are not giving any suggestion to while entering location
[15:43] <nik90> mihir: would that be hard to do?
[15:44] <popey> well, remember that the use case of adding events on device is more "quickly add an event"
[15:44] <mihir> nik90: but considering use case, how would you use location
[15:44] <popey> whereas you're more likely to be viewing events created elsewhere
[15:44] <nik90> popey: true
[15:44] <popey> where there _may_ be a location defined
[15:44] <balloons_> nik90, I got dc'd for a bit, lost my nick ;-) did you respond on the dialog example/
[15:45] <nik90> popey: but the issue is also that the image is not interactive
[15:45] <elopio> ahayzen: not from me. I switched context to try to patch the home dir, and that didn't end well either.
[15:45] <nik90> balloons_: yes,
[15:45] <nik90> balloons_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8380567/
[15:45] <mihir> nik90: exactly, so if say lets do it Korea, but where in korea, what location
[15:45] <ahayzen> elopio, hah i was gonna have a look at it to at least remind myself of what the situation was...if i can see anything obvious i'll report a bug and detail what i find
[15:45] <mihir> nik90: popey it would make more sense ,if we allow user to choose location from map while creating an event.
[15:46] <elopio> thanks ahayzen.
[15:46] <nik90> mihir: well that's not an issue since as popey said if an user creates an event in google calendar online, it suggests nearby places
[15:46] <nik90> mihir: so the location data coming in will be accurate
[15:46] <popey> does google calendar really not add any location metadata when you put some sane location in?
[15:47] <nik90> popey: it suggests nearby places
[15:47] <nik90> it must most likely
[15:47] <nik90> since calendar app shows the correct location in the image rather quickly
[15:48] <mihir> popey: while creating from web
[15:48] <mihir> popey: it gives you suggestion as you type
[15:49] <mihir> popey: i am not sure , in corportate Gmail does that give you list of conferece room, like Exchange server does?
[15:51]  * popey tries
[15:51] <popey> doesnt seem to, no.
[15:53] <mihir_> popey: nik90 this is in web calendar , http://imgur.com/EgnjMyW
[15:53] <mihir_> so it suggest based on what you type
[15:54] <nik90> yup
[15:55] <popey> and if you choose one, what do you get saved in the ical?
[16:02] <ahayzen> elopio, is the mocking failing for music-app on the latest utopic images?
[16:02] <elopio> ahayzen: I think not.
[16:02] <ahayzen> elopio, i see "no music found" in the screenshots in the subunit?
[16:02] <elopio> hum, then maybe yes.
[16:02] <ahayzen> elopio, this one http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/utopic/touch/mako/246:20140919:20140917/10547/music_app/1695066/
[16:03]  * popey afk for a bit
[16:04] <elopio> ahayzen: I see it.
[16:05] <ahayzen> elopio, is this issue us or the platform?
[16:05] <ahayzen> and this is likely what victor was seeing yesterday bug 1370800
[16:06] <elopio> ahayzen: it doesn't seem to happen on utopic, looking at the last results of your latest branch.
[16:06] <elopio> so I suppose it's a touch thing.
[16:07] <ahayzen> hmm ok so looks like there are two patching things to look at over the weekend then \o/
[16:07] <elopio> I'm going to be doing testing today, so I won't be able to look at it until next week. If you can check it out earlier that would be awesome.
[16:10] <balloons_> nik90, so it seems I can't call PopupUtils.close to close a dialog outside of the dialog?
[16:13] <balloons_> yea, a dialog doesn't seem to be what we want
[16:15] <ahayzen> balloons_, we close dialogues from outside of them in music-app?
[16:16]  * balloons_ tries something interesting
[16:16] <balloons_> ahayzen, I don't see anyway to close it on a property change
[16:16] <balloons_> it throws an error for me
[16:17] <ahayzen> balloons_, we do... dialog = PopupUtils.open(contentHubWait, mainView)
[16:17] <ahayzen> balloons_, then PopupUtils.close(dialog) later on
[16:18] <balloons_> ahayzen, I'm glad qml loves you
[16:18] <ahayzen> hah
[16:18]  * ahayzen wishes jenkins loved him
[16:19] <balloons_> I get file:///usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/Popups/popupUtils.js:69: TypeError: Property 'hide' of object QQmlComponent(0x12675c0) is not a function
[16:20] <ahayzen> magic
[16:20] <mihir_> popey: nik90 when i exporeted to ical, it just shows as text
[16:20] <ahayzen> balloons_, do you have a snippet of the code?
[16:20] <mihir_> popey: nik90 http://paste.ubuntu.com/8380891/
[16:24] <balloons_> ahayzen, mmm
[16:42] <nik90> charles: I think that bug is a sdk bug :/
[16:43] <nik90> charles: try this out as well, open clock -> change timezone -> open a saved alarm -> Notice that the timepicker doesn't show the saved alarm time but some random time
[16:44] <charles> nik90, ugh
[16:45] <charles> nik90, confirmed
[16:45] <charles> nik90, file an sdk ticket?
[16:45] <nik90> charles: the only clock app does in the above case is read the alarm and then assign the alarm time to the date picker..there is no way it can do it wrong.
[16:45] <nik90> charles: not yet..filing one now
[16:46] <t1mp> 18:19:56 < balloons_> I get file:///usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/Popups/popupUtils.js:69: TypeError: Property  'hide' of object QQmlComponent(0x12675c0) is not a function
[16:46] <t1mp> balloons_: ^ seems like you are trying to close a Component, not its instance?
[16:47] <balloons_> t1mp, I agree, I am closing the component.  the component contains a dialog. If I pass the dialog id to poputils.close() it doesn't know about the object
[16:48] <balloons_> I call poputils.open() with the component name
[16:49] <t1mp> balloons_: the parameter of close() is the object (which is returned by open()).
[16:50] <t1mp> balloons_: I haven't seen your code but it may be easier to call close() from inside the object itself so you don't have to keep track of it?
[16:51] <nik90> charles: bug 1371694
[16:51] <balloons_> t1mp, right, I want to call close after a network event property change.. and it's not inside the object
[16:53] <t1mp> balloons_: then you need to store a reference to the popup when you open it, myPopup = popupUtils.open(popupComponent, caller);
[16:55] <balloons_> t1mp, myPopup must be declared though right?
[16:56] <t1mp> balloons_: yes
[16:56] <balloons_> woot, it vorks!
[16:57] <balloons_> t1mp, thanks..
[16:57] <t1mp> hurray :)
[16:57] <t1mp> yw
[16:58] <balloons_> so I have a dialog that appears with an activity indicator spinning nicely while my network activity goes on :-)
[16:58] <balloons_> and goes away when it's done
[17:00] <balloons_> nik90, another question for you or anyone else. So I'm curious about local data storage now. I'd like to save a textfield and pre-populate it on the next load of the application. I don't need to autosave it on application close, I'll do that during the app useage
[17:03] <balloons_> I assume u1db is useful for this, but is it overkill or ?
[17:05]  * balloons_ steals nik90's example code to try it
[17:11] <balloons_> wow.. that was umm.. easy
[17:59] <mihir> balloons_: yes , u1db should works
[17:59] <balloons_> works great :)
[18:00] <mihir> popey:  nik90: you about  ?
[18:07] <nik90> mihir: sry just got back, what's up?
[18:07] <nik90> balloons_: glad you found them easy :D
[18:11]  * nik90 throws digital stuff at mihir to get his attention :)
[18:12] <balloons_> while I have you, any thoughts on why the picker would be cut off? The selected item gets bigger and shows as orange, but it's way cut off
[18:13] <balloons_> hmm..
[18:13] <nik90> balloons_: cut of?
[18:13] <nik90> balloons_: screenie pls
[18:13] <balloons_> nik90, anchors.margins looks lke what I was after
[18:13] <nik90> cool
[18:13] <balloons_> but it looks wild..
[18:13] <nik90> balloons_: you got me curious...what are you creating?
[18:13] <mihir> nik90: popey , http://imgur.com/dIgFhkZ
[18:13] <balloons_> I'll give a screenie
[18:14]  * nik90 wonders what fancy app balloons is going to publish
[18:14] <nik90> May be some supercool autopilot stuff?
[18:14]  * balloons_ notes it's already published
[18:14] <mihir> nik90: hahah , we can expect that from balloons_ :)
[18:14] <mihir> balloons_:  :-o which app it is :-?
[18:15]  * balloons_ notes author search isn't an option
[18:15] <mihir> nik90: i haven't pushd code yet for event details
[18:15] <nik90> balloons_: what!
[18:15] <nik90> balloons_: clearly the ubuntu touch store needs to make new apps more discoverable
[18:16] <nik90> mihir: no worries
[18:16] <nik90> mihir: remove the "at" in location
[18:16] <balloons_> a valid request.. a new category?
[18:16] <nik90> balloons_: I already requested beuno for a category "New Apps" but I was told it will come in time which is understandable
[18:16] <mihir> nik90: should put before reminder?
[18:17] <nik90> mihir: no..as in we don't need to make sentences
[18:17] <nik90> mihir: just showing data should be sufficient
[18:17] <nik90> mihir: btw I also think we can go one step better than google at this by showing icons to the left of that data
[18:17] <nik90> mihir: so <location-icon> Location
[18:17] <nik90> mihir: <Event-icon> Event Name
[18:18] <mihir> nik90: we can , we need to get some svg icons then , are most of them available in suru icons ?
[18:18] <nik90> mihir: may be , not sure
[18:18] <nik90> mihir: checkout suru icons in your system
[18:18] <balloons_> anchors.centerIn: parent seems the best
[18:19] <nik90> balloons_: yes, also use anchoring where possible. "Never ever hardcode values"
[18:20] <balloons_> ohh nik90 one more for you, then I will share after I publish ;-)
[18:21] <balloons_> I want to check a string for another string.. aka a contains. I tried doing indexof, but that didn't seem to work right
[18:21] <nik90> balloons_: most javascript functions work, let me search online for something that I used
[18:21] <nik90> t1mp: bug 1371694 might interest you
[18:22] <nik90> balloons_: what about search() ?
[18:22] <nik90> balloons_: string.search("Value")
[18:22] <nik90> I haven't tested it
[18:23]  * balloons_ tries
[18:23] <nik90> it works..just tested..it returns -1 when not found.
[18:23] <nik90> http://www.w3schools.com/jsref/jsref_search.asp
[18:24] <balloons_> yep, brillant!
[18:24] <nik90> yay
[18:25] <mihir> nik90: before you go to bed, can you review Month view MR?
[18:26] <balloons_> lol, I lied.. I have one more issue before it's ready. I need to get the text value out of a picker.. I can get the selectedindex property, but how do I get the text value?
[18:26] <nik90> mihir: doing it atm
[18:26] <mihir> nik90: Thank you.
[18:26] <nik90> balloons_: what kind of picer?
[18:26] <mihir> nik90: one more MR should go , i gueess we removed scroll animation in viewRedesign MR i'll push separete MR for that.
[18:27] <nik90> mihir: yes, go ahead
[18:27] <fcole90> Hello,  is there anyone else that when tries to compile has an error 127 with missing intltool_merge? :)
[18:27] <fcole90> I have it in both system and kit and still it doesn't find it :/
[18:28] <balloons_> nik90, like say for the months example.. http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Components.Pickers.Picker/
[18:28]  * balloons_ noticed I can state objects to access children's properties
[18:29] <nik90> balloons_: may be try model[selectedIndex] ?
[18:29] <nik90> I haven't used that component before so not sure
[18:30] <balloons_> mm.. model is not a function
[18:30] <balloons_> how can you address children?
[18:30] <balloons_> I'll note setting an id on the label and doing id.text doesn't work
[18:30] <nik90> mihir: 1 min, let me address balloons_ question quick
[18:31] <nik90> balloons_: let me try, give me a min
[18:31] <mihir> fcole90: can you try installing that using sudo apt-get install intltool
[18:32] <fcole90> mihir: I did it already, but it still outputs that :/
[18:33] <mihir> fcole90: you trying to run on desktop or device?
[18:34] <balloons_> nik90, I think I have it
[18:34] <nik90> balloons_: what is it?
[18:34] <fcole90> mihir : on device, with utopic i386 emulator and kit :)
[18:34] <mihir> fcole90: go to Tools - > Options -> Ubuntu  then select the kit , click on Maintain and try to install it ther
[18:34]  * nik90 is curious
[18:34] <balloons_> nik90, really silly.. lol.. just access the model property with the selectedindex :-)
[18:34] <fcole90> mihir : yes, that's the way I did it :/
[18:34] <balloons_> picker.model[picker.selectedIndex])
[18:35] <mihir> fcole90: that's weired , it should run
[18:35] <balloons_> it's a list rofl
[18:35] <nik90> balloons_: :)
[18:35] <nik90> balloons_: I will add that in the documentation
[18:35] <balloons_> I figured that out when I read the docs and they manually built the list..
[18:35] <fcole90> mihir : yes, I also tried to delete everything and install it back again but without luck :/
[18:36] <mihir> you trying any existing app , or new app?
[18:36] <nik90> balloons_: wait I was right when I said model[selectedIndex]
[18:36]  * balloons_ notes the record reflects that
[18:36] <balloons_> I was stuck on the modelData property
[18:37] <nik90> :)
[18:37] <fcole90> mihir : with docviewer since latest cmake changes and with calendar app :)
[18:37] <nik90> fcole90: when did you create the schroot?
[18:38] <fcole90> nik90: if you mean the kit, yesterday the last time :)
[18:38] <nik90> balloons_: any idea when the jenkins autolanding will resolve?
[18:38] <nik90> balloons_: can I do manual merges since jenkins continous integration already ran the tests and approved it?
[18:38] <balloons_> nik90, ogra_ was supposedly working on the introspection issue. I will say if we need to release we can drop autolanding on devices
[18:39] <ogra_> me ?
[18:39] <nik90> balloons_: I was hoping to release tonight
[18:39] <ogra_> balloons_, which introspection issue is that ?
[18:39] <nik90> ogra_: silly, how many ogra_ you know :P
[18:40] <ogra_> heh
[18:40] <ogra_> balloons_, "Introspect error on :1.391:/com/canonical/Autopilot/Introspection: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply."
[18:40] <ogra_> balloons_, this one ?
[18:42] <balloons_> ogra_, yes that one!
[18:43] <ogra_> balloons_, we didnt find the issue yet (and it isnt "my task" :) ) but there is bug  1371454 ... see the last comment
[18:44] <nik90> mihir: actually regarding that scroll animation removal, can you ask Akiva to do it since it was his idea and he will be able to explain that better
[18:44] <balloons> ogra_, yes, I didn't mean to pinpoint you or anything.. I just haven't tracked the bug down yet.. so thnaks ;-)
[18:44] <nik90> mihir: he is never in my timezone
[18:45] <mihir> nik90: sure , i was just wondering what was that, still i haven't done that though
[18:45] <mihir> i thought it was done by you..
[18:45] <ogra_> balloons, well, it just passed by me by accident, i know it since ~30 minutes
[18:45] <nik90> mihir: I copied it from his branch after testing it
[18:45] <balloons> perfect ;-)
[18:46] <ogra_> the erros looks the same ... and the media hub involvement as well as the potential breakage due to gstreamer shoudl get us forward i guess
[18:46] <mihir> nik90: okay no issues, let it be i'll ping him once i find him
[18:46] <mihir> nik90: are you aware about it was related to what bug
[18:46] <mihir> ?
[18:46] <fcole90> mihir, nik90 : could you try docviewer app (when you have a free time moment)  to check if that works for you? :)
[18:46] <nik90> mihir: he added it before since the new event was so long and that we needed it to automatically scroll when expanding the option selectors
[18:47] <nik90> mihir: we don't have that need anymore
[18:47] <nik90> fcole90: sure, atm reviewing mihir's branch.
[18:47] <mihir> nik90: ohh i got it
[18:48] <fcole90> nik90 : thank, ping me when you have the results, no hurry ;)
[18:48] <balloons> oh as agreed, the app is called feedback nik90
[18:48]  * nik90 searches
[18:49]  * balloons publishes v2
[18:49] <nik90> mihir: btw we got a visual bug in agenda view (not related to our branches, so dont panic)
[18:51] <mihir> nik90: if i am not wrong , is it higlighiting listed events in Agenda?
[18:51] <nik90> mihir: the calendar color shown in those small circle is hardcoded and hence serve no purpose
[18:52] <nik90> mihir: also the events there should show the event background in the calendar color like other views do
[18:52]  * nik90 goes back to his review
[18:52] <mihir> nik90: okay , also i observed some of random events had orange bg color.
[18:53] <nik90> mihir: not random
[18:53] <mihir> fcole90: it works fine here with me
[18:53] <nik90> mihir: when you drag it, it shows orange to indicate pressed
[18:53] <nik90> mihir: but it doesnt go away when you release
[18:53] <nik90> which is a bug yes
[18:53] <mihir> nik90: yeah, when i scroll i get it :)
[18:54] <mihir>  i have very bad internet issues , hates my ISP..not even able to upload screenshot sometimes heheh
[18:55]  * nik90 can imagine
[18:55] <fcole90> mihir : thank you, than thats a problem of mine :)
[18:55] <mihir> fcole90: that's the only error you getting , are you sure?
[18:55] <mihir> fcole90: you might be missing some dependecy , can you check that
[19:01]  * beuno puts https://code.launchpad.net/~ricardokirkner/click-reviewers-tools/frameworks-from-api/+merge/235029 on jdstrand inbox
[19:02] <jdstrand> it is on my todo, but likely not for today
[19:04] <beuno> jdstrand, no rush
[19:11] <balloons> nik90, so I guess we drop autolandings on device for clock?
[19:12] <nik90> balloons: yes
[19:12] <nik90> balloons: its not a fault in clock?
[19:12] <balloons> nik90, no
[19:12] <nik90> cool
[19:12] <nik90> we can revisit after this release
[19:19] <mihir> balloons: if i have whole string and i want to Assert one word , Eventually(Equals('Word'))  should this work ??
[19:19] <balloons> nik90, ohh your bugs with phablet-tools went in finally :-)
[19:20] <nik90> balloons: the python2 issues?
[19:20] <balloons> nik90, yea, python2 issues and running one test
[19:20] <nik90> yay
[19:20] <popey> balloons: i think mihir and nik90 would like to push clock/calendar later. Can you check in with them before you go offline to make sure we get them both in the store before the weekend for super duper weekend testing?
[19:20] <balloons> bug 1321463 bug 1364369
[19:21] <balloons> I added --depends as well so you can specify stuff to push to the device if needed
[19:21] <nik90> cool
[19:21] <mihir> calendar should be ready with-in few mins, nik90 did you top approved it ?
[19:21] <nik90> mihir: no I didnt
[19:21]  * nik90 is doing now
[19:22] <nik90> mihir: do we push 3 as well?
[19:22]  * mihir looks for 3rd MR
[19:28] <nik90> mihir: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calendar-dev/ubuntu-calendar-app/3-Improve-DayView/+merge/235282
[19:29] <mihir> nik90:  my interet sux, can you tp 3rd as well , once that is merged balloons can push it to the store
[19:30] <nik90> mihir: tp?
[19:30] <nik90> nvr mind
[19:30] <fcole90> mihir : no, I don't think to, maybe I messed up things with separate qt environment, like installing qtcreator from vplay XD
[19:30] <nik90> got it
[19:32] <mihir> nik90: great, thanks :)
[19:38] <nik90> balloons: can I start top-approving clock merged?
[19:38] <ahoneybun> does anyone have a pebble that works with Ubuntu?
[19:40] <balloons> nik90, not quite yet
[19:41] <nik90> balloons: ok..ping me when you thin it is rdy
[19:41] <balloons> have to push through some jenkins changes first
[19:41] <balloons> yep, changes made, need to be approved and pushed
[19:42] <ahoneybun> anything else needed for design mockups nik90 ?
[19:42] <nik90> ahoneybun: not that I can think of
[19:46] <ahoneybun> got my nexus 4 now~
[19:47] <mihir> nik90: i pushed another branch , https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calendar-dev/ubuntu-calendar-app/5-Improved-EventDetails/+merge/235333
[19:47] <ahoneybun> ubuntu time!
[19:51] <mihir> nik90: whenever you get time to review that MR as well, i made small tweak in AP too.
[19:52] <balloons> ahoneybun, awesome.. enjoy a real device
[19:54]  * ahoneybun is on crack now
[19:54] <ahoneybun> balloons: so I need to set up the sim on android first or can ubuntu handle setting that up?
[19:54] <ahoneybun> I dont have a sim card yet
[19:55] <balloons> ahoneybun, ubuntu should do it all
[19:55] <ahoneybun> ok I'm like one command away
[19:56] <ahoneybun> this nexus 4 is in perfect shape!
[19:56] <ahoneybun> I'm so happy
[19:56] <mihir> balloons: calendar should ready to push into store
[19:56] <balloons> mihir, oO oO
[19:56] <balloons> on it
[19:57]  * ahoneybun still has his verizon phone though
[19:57] <mihir> just one updates left , i guess we can do it next week , the details view ,http://i.imgur.com/dIgFhkZ.png
[19:57] <mihir> balloons: ^^
[19:57] <balloons> love the changes
[19:57] <balloons> k building, then pushing
[19:57] <mihir> balloons: excellent :)
[19:58] <mihir> balloons: just a min
[19:58] <mihir> ahh , one MR is still left
[19:58] <mihir> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calendar-dev/ubuntu-calendar-app/3-Improve-DayView/+merge/235282
[19:58] <mihir> balloons: let this get merged, sorry for thta
[19:58] <mihir> that*
[19:59] <ahoneybun> mihir: yay kinda my design!
[19:59] <mihir> ahoneybun: yeah , :-D that's how we ended up :)
[19:59] <ahoneybun> mihir: at least I helped!
[20:00] <ahoneybun> mihir: I got my N4 installing ubuntu now
[20:00] <mihir> ahoneybun: ohh wow that's great.. :) and have added your name as well https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calendar-dev/ubuntu-calendar-app/5-Improved-EventDetails/+merge/235333
[20:00]  * ahoneybun needs Simple bank on his Ubuntu Phone
[20:01] <ahoneybun> yay!
[20:01] <ahoneybun> mihir: thanks so much
[20:02] <mihir> ahoneybun: you're welcome.
[20:02] <ahoneybun> mihir: pushing the images to the device now
[20:03] <ahoneybun> mihir: could you or someone help me make a webapp for my online bank
[20:03] <mihir> balloons: done :D
[20:03] <mihir> balloons: it got merge, you can build now and push, thanks for that
[20:03] <ahoneybun> mihir: https://www.simple.com/
[20:06] <mihir> nik90: balloons: have good weekend  :)
[20:06] <nik90> mihir: u2
[20:07]  * nik90 brb
[20:13] <balloons> nik90, go nuts on merging
[20:14] <nik90> balloons: woohoo :)
[20:16] <nik90> balloons, elopio: quick question..say there is a bug which couldn't be detected in autopilot (for reasons of complexity etc etc), and the bug is due to an upstream component, do we write a manual test in the clock app or in the upstream component?
[20:16] <balloons> nik90, I would go upstream with that but if it makes sense, put something specific in clock also
[20:17] <nik90> ok
[20:19] <nik90> elopio: will you be ready in about an hour for manual testing of clock?
[21:23] <nik90> mhall119: btw you might be interested in bug 1371341
[21:24] <nik90> mhall119: it is a bug after all :/ ... but now that it has been identified we (renato) will be working on a fix for it.
[21:28] <nik90> balloons: clock ready to publish
[21:34] <mzanetti> rpadovani: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/optimize/+merge/235340
[21:36] <rpadovani> mzanetti, wonderful! Tomoroww I'll try it
[21:40] <popey> oooh
[21:40]  * popey tests
[21:44] <popey> odd. i can't see the evernote auth plugin
[21:58] <nik90> popey: hey can you check if the clock app has been published
[22:00] <nik90> oh my, the calendar is looking awesome :)
[22:02] <popey> nik90: last upload of clock was 2 weeks ago
[22:03] <nik90> ok
[22:04] <rpadovani> is it my fault, or the calendar app syncs only the main calendar of your google account?
[22:05] <rpadovani> I have 3 calendars: personal (the default one), university, and ubuntu. Only the personal one is on the phone
[22:05] <popey> thats correct
[22:06] <rpadovani> popey, there is a bug open yet?
[22:06] <popey> its a known limitation of eds
[22:06] <rpadovani> ok
[22:06] <popey> i dont think we have a bug for it
[22:07] <rpadovani> hope it will ve fixed before the university starts :D
[22:07] <nik90> lol not gonna happen
[22:07] <nik90> not a simple bug to fix in eds
[22:07] <popey> well, depends which year of university ㋛
[22:07] <rpadovani> lol
[22:07] <nik90> true
[22:08] <popey> nik90: do you want an upload of clock?
[22:08] <nik90> popey: yes
[22:08] <nik90> popey: i requested balloons to do it, may be EOD
[22:09] <popey> fginther: is about ☻
[22:09]  * popey hugs fginther
[22:11] <popey> ah, might need sergiusens if you're about
[22:12] <minshallj> can anyone give me a quick explination of how to add my own c++ file to my QML ubuntu-sdk app? When I try to add a c++ file I get the error "Failed to add one or more files to project". Other things I see say to use qmlRegisterType() though that should be written in a c++ file which there aren't any in my project
[22:13] <popey> well the good news is 108 built okay ☻
[22:53] <fcole90> balloons: ping
[23:02] <ahoneybun> hey nik90 how does the new event details look?
[23:08] <ahoneybun> can someone walk me though making a web app? I want one for my bank
[23:09] <popey> ahoneybun: heya
[23:10] <popey> ahoneybun: grab https://code.launchpad.net/~popey/+junk/youtube and modify it
[23:10] <ahoneybun> I can't found how to replace the png popey
[23:11] <popey> Icon=./youtube.png
[23:11] <popey> put a different png in and change that line in the .desktop file
[23:12] <ahoneybun> but it is in the project dir right?
[23:12] <ahoneybun> I see
[23:13] <ahoneybun> popey: it is for simple.com
[23:13] <ahoneybun> yay it builds!
[23:14] <ahoneybun> popey: do webapps count to ubuntu pioneers?
[23:18] <popey> ya
[23:18] <ahoneybun> sweet I'm making a click package now
[23:18] <popey> do they have a mobile site?
[23:19] <ahoneybun> no but it scales
[23:19] <popey> oh, they do
[23:19] <ahoneybun> do they?
[23:19] <ahoneybun> m.simple.com does not work
[23:19] <popey> simple.com/mobile ?
[23:20] <ahoneybun> that tells how to get their app
[23:21] <ahoneybun> invalid format for maintainer: "Aaron Honeycutt<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(should be like "Joe Bloggs<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:21] <ahoneybun> it looks the same to me
[23:25] <ahoneybun> I got
[23:25] <ahoneybun> *it
[23:25] <popey> ☻
[23:26] <popey> Glad the reviewer tools are working
[23:26] <ahoneybun> popey: is there a app for wells fargo>
[23:26] <ahoneybun> ?
[23:26] <popey> not that I've seen
[23:27] <popey> i mirror all the clicks I think
[23:27] <popey> http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/2014-09-19-100001/
[23:27] <popey> no clicks with wells or fargo in the name
[23:27] <ahoneybun> well I'm working on it
[23:27] <ahoneybun> as they have a mobile site
[23:28] <popey> I'd like a bank scope which pulls data from my bank accounts
[23:29] <ahoneybun> yea that would be great
[23:29] <ahoneybun> is ubuntu 14.10-dev-2 the latest popey ?
[23:30] <popey> yes
[23:31] <ahoneybun> ok so I made the click package
[23:31] <ahoneybun> everything looks good
[23:33] <ahoneybun> popey: Unique namespace required before any ClickPackage submission.
[23:34] <popey> wassup?
[23:34] <ahoneybun> it says that
[23:35] <ahoneybun> com.ubuntu.developer.aaronhoneycutt
[23:35] <rpadovani> mzanetti, bug 1371824
[23:37] <ahoneybun> I think I have a gpg
[23:37] <doflaherty> has any work been done on NFC yet?
[23:37] <popey> doflaherty: no
[23:38] <popey> rpadovani: i think that's a known bug which is to do with the camera playing the audio shutter noise
[23:38] <rpadovani> popey, any idea on how to fix it?
[23:40] <popey> i think it's known elsewhere
[23:40] <popey> 16:08 < jhodapp> jdstrand, oh I know why, because the click sound for camera is in qtubuntu-camera, which using the Camera object in QML would utilize
[23:40] <popey> 16:08 < jhodapp> jdstrand, the real bug seems to be that we need to move the click sound out of qtubuntu-camera, and let each app play a click sound if they need it
[23:40] <popey> 16:12 < jdstrand> jhodapp: so, based on your previous comment that actual access to the camera will be handled via media-hub, seems I should still upload my policy change for camera
[23:40] <popey> 16:14 < jdstrand> jhodapp: the change to camera policy group:
[23:40] <popey> 16:24 < jdstrand> jhodapp: I assigned you to the qtubuntu-camera task, but feel free to adjust
[23:40] <popey> ^^
[23:40] <doflaherty> popey, is it on a roadmap or not a priority at the moment?  I know you guys are busy with RTM
[23:41] <ahoneybun> popey: any idea about 2048R/8FF3D3EC 2014-04-09 Aaron Honeycutt (ahoneybun<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:41] <popey> doflaherty: i dont know
[23:41] <ahoneybun> opps
[23:41] <rpadovani> popey, thanks
[23:41] <doflaherty> okay, thanks
[23:41] <popey> rpadovani: I don't know the bug number which covers it, sorry.
[23:41] <ahoneybun> popey: any idea about namespace
[23:42] <popey> ahoneybun: can you put the .click file somewhere and I'll take a look?
[23:43] <ahoneybun> popey: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6zAAODZFwQ2ZWhPWjJ5LVdEb2s/edit?usp=sharing
[23:44] <popey> it passes tests here
[23:45] <ahoneybun> ok
[23:46] <ahoneybun> popey: I'm submitting my app
[23:46] <rpadovani> popey, sorry to bother you again. Do you know how set more than one flag in inputMethodHinsts in Text element?
[23:46] <rpadovani> popey, it says The value is a bit-wise combination of flags, but I don't know the syntax to set more than one
[23:47] <mzanetti> I just can't manage install a 3rd party lib into my click package using the SDK
[23:48] <mzanetti> anyone here can help?
[23:49] <popey> rpadovani: i don't know, sorry. Elleo is the best man for that question I think.
[23:50] <rpadovani> mzanetti, I tried for some hours and asked to kenvandine too. Didn't find anything, at the end I used a chroot to create the executable and included it in the project
[23:50] <mzanetti> :(
[23:51] <ahoneybun> mhall119: ping pong
[23:51] <Elleo> rpadovani: just something like "inputMethodHints: Qt.ImhNoAutoUppercase | Qt.ImhNoPredictiveText;"
[23:51]  * mzanetti doesn't want to create the package manually
[23:51] <rpadovani> Elleo, thanks man!
[23:51] <rpadovani> mzanetti, if is bacon2d, you can take it from my repository :-)
[23:51] <mzanetti> rpadovani: what?
[23:51] <Elleo> although that's possibly a bad example since I don't think the keyboard properly honours Qt.ImhNoAutoUppercase (that's on my list to fix...)
[23:52]  * popey hugs Elleo
[23:52] <Elleo> :)
[23:52] <mzanetti> rpadovani: I just need to install two .so libs from the sysroot into the click package (which I managed by now)
[23:52] <mzanetti> but now I can't make them load
[23:52] <rpadovani> Elleo, oh, wow, that's just my case :D
[23:53] <popey> rpadovani: mzanetti we do that with the terminal app...
[23:53] <rpadovani> mzanetti, oh, sorry, I didn't understand. No, I had no problem using qtcreator to create the click package
[23:53] <Elleo> rpadovani: well I'll probably be fixing caps next week sometime as long as I can get all the critical stuff out of the way first (I want to submit a terminal patch to disable autocaps, so it's towards the front of my non-urgent list)
[23:53] <mzanetti> popey: does that use qmlscene?
[23:53] <mzanetti> popey: or a custom binary?
[23:54] <ahoneybun> popey: submitted and ready for review
[23:54] <ahoneybun> does the nexus 4 take a long time to charge on ubuntu?
[23:54] <popey> hmm Exec=aa-exec-click -p com.ubuntu.terminal_terminal_0.5.latest -- ./qtc_device_debughelper.py app "terminal"
[23:54] <mzanetti> yeah...
[23:55] <rpadovani> Elleo, ok, thanks. If I implement it right now it simple doesn't work or the textfield itself has issues?
[23:55] <mzanetti> I suspenct its the fact that I use qmlscene now
[23:55] <mzanetti> (which I only did to be more aligned with the sdk templates)
[23:55] <Elleo> rpadovani: it won't do any harm to implement it now, the keyboard will just ignore it at the moment, then as soon as it's fixed in the keyboard it'll magically start working in your app :)
[23:55] <mzanetti> but just doesn't work out... there's so many issues
[23:55] <rpadovani> Elleo, wonderful, thanks :-)
[23:56] <Elleo> rpadovani: no problem :)
[23:56] <rpadovani> mzanetti, I have Exec=qmlscene $@ 100balls.qml, a directory with the .so file and a qmldir file. Then qtcreator creates the package without problems
[23:57] <mzanetti> rpadovani: not a qml plugin...
[23:57] <mzanetti> I need a plain c++ library
[23:57] <rpadovani> mzanetti, oh, I see
[23:57] <mzanetti> the problem is that I have a qml plugin, which then in turn loads more .so libraries
[23:58] <mzanetti> adding a wrapper script and exporting LD_LIBRARY_PATH does for binaries, but using qmlscene to launch this doesn't work any more it seems


[02:55] <lynorian> almost meeting time
[02:57] <nhaines> Yup.
[02:59] <pleia2> o/
[03:00] <nhaines> hey pleia2.  :)
[03:01] <nhaines> I'm almost recovered from traveling.  Almost.
[03:01] <pleia2> hehe
[03:02] <pleia2> shall we meeting?
[03:02] <lynorian> yes
[03:02] <nhaines> Protip: flying in on Thanksgiving meant I was off the plane, through customs and curbside in like 15 minutes.
[03:02] <nhaines> Yes, let's!
[03:03] <nhaines> #startmeeting
[03:03] <darthrobot> Meeting started Mon Nov 28 03:03:15 2016 UTC.  The chair is nhaines. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[03:03] <nhaines> #chair lynorian pleia2
[03:03] <darthrobot> Current chairs: lynorian nhaines pleia2
[03:03] <nhaines> Welcome to the Ubuntu California meeting for November 27th, 2016.
[03:03] <nhaines> The agenda for tonight is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/16November27
[03:03] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/16November27 - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:03] <nhaines> There are no items on the agenda tonight.
[03:04] <nhaines> #topic Upcoming events
[03:04] <nhaines> Does anyone have any upcoming events to announce?
[03:04] <pleia2> nothing really on my radar, this time of year gets slow for things
[03:04]  * lynorian does not
[03:04] <nhaines> Yup.  SCALE is a bit further than usual in March.  But the first weekend in March, so not much further.
[03:04]  * pleia2 nods
[03:05] <pleia2> I suppose it wouldn't hurt to start prepping wiki pages and things for our activities there, we haven't formally discussed what that looks like yet though (booth? ubucon again?)
[03:05] <nhaines> Richard Gaskin and I are going to start meeting with SCALE and the Canonical community team on Tuesday to get those plans solidified.  UbuCon Europe planning sort of took everyone's time.
[03:05] <pleia2> oh great
[03:06] <lynorian> nhaines where are these meetings held?
[03:06] <nhaines> lynorian: in Google Hangouts, so shoot me an email and I'll get you a link.
[03:06] <lynorian> nhaines thank you
[03:06] <nhaines> pleia2: you interested in attending?  I think it's Tuesday around 10am.
[03:06] <lynorian> ok
[03:07] <pleia2> nhaines: link me up, I'll come if I can (not sure what my tuesday looks like)
[03:07] <nhaines> UbuCon Summit will probably be a little scaled back, but we should have a booth as usual.
[03:08] <nhaines> We'll talk about that Tuesday.  :)  Although our SCALE person is traveling.  So it might be the week after.
[03:08] <nhaines> We need to have leadership elections soon.
[03:08] <pleia2> yeah
[03:09] <lynorian> nhaines +1
[03:09] <nhaines> Unless we just want to assume emergency powers for the well-being of the empire and attain hegemony.
[03:09] <pleia2> hah
[03:10] <nhaines> I'll figure out some dates and send an email.  For real this time because I'm not trying to get all my work done before I disappear for two weeks on travel.
[03:10] <pleia2> thanks nhaines :)
[03:11] <nhaines> That's all I can think of there.
[03:11] <pleia2> I don't have anything else
[03:11]  * lynorian does not
[03:11] <nhaines> #topic Announcements
[03:11] <nhaines> If anyone has any other on-topic announcements to make, this is the time.  :)
[03:12] <pleia2> happy holidays :)
[03:12] <lynorian> ahppy holidays as well
[03:12] <nhaines> Oh yes, those have already begun.  :)
[03:12] <nhaines> Happy holidays to all.
[03:13] <nhaines> #topic Agenda items
[03:13] <nhaines> There are no agenda items for this week's meeting.
[03:13] <nhaines> #topic Other business
[03:13] <nhaines> Anything else anyone wants to bring up?
[03:13] <pleia2> nothing fro mme
[03:14] <nhaines> Me either.
[03:15] <nhaines> I guess I should say that we represented California at UbuCon Europe.  :)
[03:15] <pleia2> indeed we did! along with philipballew
[03:16] <nhaines> I should have a blog post up in a day or two.  But the summary is that we were probably the ones that made UbuCon such a huge sucess.
[03:16] <nhaines> As the default voice for uNav, I crashed Marcos Costales's presentation about uNav just before he started and announced "You have arrived at the presentation."
[03:17] <pleia2> haha
[03:17] <nhaines> Okay, I think we have officially meetinged.
[03:17] <pleia2> https://svij.org/blog/2016/11/27/ubucon-europe-in-the-retrospective/
[03:17] <darthrobot> Title: [UbuCon Europe in the retrospective]
[03:17] <pleia2> was a good post about it :)
[03:18] <pleia2> but there have been several floating around
[03:18] <nhaines> A good post, although not quite as detailed as the German post, which I will harass Sujeevan about shortly.  ;)
[03:18] <pleia2> aha :)
[03:18] <nhaines> Marcos Costales has some good writeups in Spanish: https://plus.google.com/+MarcosCostales
[03:18] <darthrobot> Title: [Error reading title]
[03:19] <nhaines> Okay, I'll see everyone for our next meeting on December 11th, same bat-time, same bat-channel.
[03:19] <nhaines> #endmeeting
[03:19] <darthrobot> Meeting ended Mon Nov 28 03:19:58 2016 UTC.
[03:19] <darthrobot> Minutes:        http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2016/ubuntu-us-ca.2016-11-28-03.03.moin.txt
[03:20] <pleia2> thanks nhaines!
[03:21] <nhaines> pleia2: I have a new appreciation for how you still get things done even while traveling heavily.  Although in my defence, I seem to have picked up a slight cold on the flight back!
[03:21] <pleia2> hah, it's so exhausting
[03:22] <pleia2> happy to be sitting on a couch in front of a fire right now, even if I'm on the wrong coast
[03:22] <nhaines> Well, we can't all be in California all the time.  ;)
[03:23] <pleia2> yeah, it gets full
[03:23] <nhaines> It's been raining the last two days which has been pleasant, although supiciously identical to the weather in Essen.
[03:23] <pleia2> haha
[03:24] <nhaines> Sujeevan said on Friday "you were hardly gone and the sun is shining."
[03:24] <pleia2> tsk :)


[00:06] <bkerensa> pleia2: does Za make the hardware? I thought Zareason and System76 purchase their hardware pre-built and throw FOSS on it and mark it up?
[00:07] <pleia2> bkerensa: they don't physically own the manufacturing facilities :) but they work with hardware vendors to get what they need at the right price (often it's prefab stuff, but they can sometimes work special things out)
[00:07] <pleia2> of course they can't pressure vendors quite so much as a Google can an Asus for a $200 super-tablet
[00:08] <pleia2> (or amazon, etc)
[00:08] <bkerensa> ah
[00:08] <bkerensa> like I guess someone was saying on OMG that System76 laptops can be bought at a fraction of the cost directly from the OEM
[00:10] <pleia2> if you're willing to buy 100 of them and solder bits together yourself, I'm sure ;)
[00:12] <pleia2> (turns out my time is a bit more valuable than that)
[00:49] <grantbow> turns out, lol
[03:11] <Torikun> yo
[03:33] <grantbow> Torikun: yo yo
[03:42] <Torikun> how you be
[21:46] <The_Letter_M> Hello all
[21:53] <The_Letter_M> How is everyone?
[21:56] <bkerensa> The_Letter_M: Excellent
[21:57] <The_Letter_M> Cool
[21:58] <The_Letter_M> So I got a question
[21:59] <The_Letter_M> I have Gnome Remix installed. I installed some new themes, but when I go to the Tweak Tool, the Shell Theme drop down is always grayed out
[22:00] <The_Letter_M> Anyone know how I can get it working?