[00:05] <penguin42> how do we mark kernel bugs that trigger during installation so that the reporter doesn't get hastled to try latest mainline kernels etc?
[00:13] <Logan_> Can somebody change the status of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/804662 to "Confirmed" (and remove the assigned person)?
[00:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 804662 in jockey "jockey-gtk crashed with TypeError in _execute_child(): execv() arg 2 must contain only strings" [Undecided,Fix released]
[00:13] <Logan_> It was incorrectly marked as Fix Released by a newbie, and someone assigned it to himself randomly, and I can't change the values back.
[00:14]  * penguin42 looks
[00:18] <penguin42> I can't figure out wth is going on with that bug - it seems like loads of people who are newish have changed the assignment on it or changed the state
[00:19] <Logan_> Yeah...
[00:20] <Logan_> It's really frustrating, as it's a major bug, and having it marked as Fix Released/Committed is essentially hiding it from the developers.
[00:20] <hggdh> some bugs get to be a strange attractor
[00:21]  * Logan_ just applied for the the BugSquad. :-P
[00:21] <penguin42> hggdh: I'm just wondering if it's some form of spam type thing - I can't see why there are so many changes of status, all from people who aren't members of any groups, and who have 0 karma and are recent joiners
[00:21] <Logan_> Probably a language/knowledge barrier on Launchpad.
[00:22] <Logan_> People get sent to the bug via apport, and then they assign it to themselves because they know no better. :-P
[00:22] <Logan_> (Can't figure out the status changes, though.)
[00:23] <hggdh> yeah
[00:23] <hggdh> penguin42: perhaps we should mark it triaged
[00:24] <penguin42> hggdh: Not sure - is it understood?
[00:24] <penguin42> hggdh: I'm going to flag it to the bug-control list
[00:24] <hggdh> I do not know, and I do not think so (TL;DR)
[00:25] <Logan_> Want me to explain the bug? :-P
[00:25] <hggdh> nah, let's keep it confirmed. I think the attractor is the video drive
[00:25] <hggdh> Logan_: no ;-) I do not deal with video in any form, colour, or type
[00:26] <Logan_> Okay.
[00:26] <Logan_> How long does it take to be accepted to the BugSquad?
[00:26] <Logan_> Just applied; I'd love to help out.
[00:27] <hggdh> Logan_: takes about 2 minutes ;-)
[00:27] <Logan_> Haha.
[00:28] <hggdh> Logan_: welcome to the BugSquad, and all that. Please do not hesitate in asking questions here, we strive to help
[00:28] <penguin42> welcome on board!
[00:28] <Logan_> Thanks!
[00:28]  * Logan_ adds this channel to his favorites.
[00:29]  * hggdh goes monitor the TV for the destruction around
[00:29] <hggdh> see you all tomorrow
[00:30] <penguin42> yeh, and it's 1:30am here - so bed time!
[00:30] <penguin42> I've flagged that bug to the bugcontrol list
[09:57] <jcdutton> Question: bug#973161     Does anyone know which package it should be against? It is a problem with the left hand icon bar when in auto hide mode
[10:17] <hjd> Would anyone mind if I reopen bug 973206? It consistently crash on Precise when you attempt to run it.
[10:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 973206 in gmorgan "gmorgan crashed with SIGSEGV in fclose()" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/973206
[10:19] <arand> Sounds reasonable, are you able to get the debug info with updated debug symols?
[10:28] <jcdutton> arand, surely to get that, you would need a non-stripped dbg version of gmorgan?
[10:29] <hjd> fwiw, I tried https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash, but I didn't find a dbgsym package for gmorgan..
[10:30] <arand> Ah, indeed, it doesn't create one :(
[10:30] <arand> SO also report a bug on that ;)
[10:31] <arand> But anyhow, if it does crash reproducibly, I'd still say to re-open the bug report.
[10:31] <jcdutton> arand, I like that, report a bug because there is not enough information to fix another bug!
[10:32] <hjd> and where would I file that one? To gmorgan as well "Please provide a debug package"?
[10:32] <jcdutton> arand, I opened a similar bug report, but for 64bit
[10:32] <arand> hjd: Yeah.
[10:34] <jcdutton> Which package provides the icon bar on the left had side of unity?
[10:50] <hjd> arand: done. Reopened + filed bug 973282 about the debug package.
[10:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 973282 in gmorgan "Please provide a debug package for gmorgan" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/973282
[12:03] <erkan^> hello, is someone there?
[12:03] <erkan^> !971539
[12:03] <ubot2> Factoid '971539' not found
[12:03] <erkan^> huh?
[12:04] <erkan^> https://bugs.launchpad.net/firefox-extensions/+bug/971539
[12:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 971539 in firefox-extensions "ProfileManager" [Undecided,New]
[13:15] <bcurtiswx> good morning
[16:47] <matthew-parlette> I'm looking at bug 972620. I know I recently saw the same error message come through in a bug but I can't seem to find it. Has anyone seen a bug like this?
[16:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 972620 in ubiquity "Vitual machine crashed while trying to install Ubuntu 11.10 32-bit on my Win 7 professional machine" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/972620
[16:47] <matthew-parlette> Specifically the OSError: [Errno 17]
[17:46] <penguin42> is there a bug tag for bugs that are trivially repeatable?
[17:48] <roadmr> penguin42: if it has a good set of steps to reproduce you can tag it "testcase" (I think)
[17:49] <roadmr> penguin42: no difference between trivial (1. launch program X, 2. watch it crash and burn) and more complicated sequences of steps, if this is what you mean
[17:49] <penguin42> ah testcase sounds good
[17:49] <roadmr> penguin42: yes, once you have steps to reproduce all bugs are potentially trivially repeatable :)
[17:50] <penguin42> roadmr: Well it's just some are very very simple and don't require any setup or anything like that, it's just 'run this command and it goes bang'
[17:50] <roadmr> penguin42: I see, I'd still just use testcase for them
[17:50] <penguin42> ko, thanks
[17:50] <penguin42> ok even
[17:53]  * roadmr gets knocked out by penguin42 X(
[17:53] <roadmr> heheh
[17:53] <penguin42> :-)
[18:05] <penguin42> bug 968753 is piling up a few dupes - can't remember seeing a crasher like that for ssh for a long time
[18:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 968753 in openssh "ssh crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/968753
[18:14] <hjd> Hm, I wonder whether I should mark bug 926605 as a duplicate of bug 824708? They are triggered in completely different ways, but looks like they would have the same underlying cause.
[18:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 926605 in aptitude "aptitude: failed to download the changlog of apt: Download queue destroyed." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/926605
[18:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 824708 in aptitude "Changelog download failed: Download queue destroyed." [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/824708
[18:44] <hjd> Could someone please mark bug 688769 as Triaged/Low? Thanks.
[18:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 688769 in synaptic "Cannot select previous search terms from the dropdown to repeat a search" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/688769
[18:50] <s9iper1> hjd: s9iper1 looks
[18:52] <s9iper1> hjd: done
[19:01] <penguin42> anyone have a Debian sid system around to try something on?
[19:03] <greg-g> just a wheezy
[19:03] <penguin42> yeh I wanted to try it on altest to see if it suffers from the same as the ubuntu build
[19:19] <hjd> s9iper1: thank you.
[19:19] <s9iper1> hjd: yw
[19:41] <jtaylor> penguin42: which package?
[19:41] <penguin42> jtaylor: sipcalc - I've got to the bottom of the bug - see bug 973602
[19:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 973602 in sipcalc "sipcalc crashed with SIGABRT in __libc_message()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/973602
[19:43] <jtaylor> sid works
[19:43] <penguin42> jtaylor: Thanks; I think it's probably only our builds with fortify that are failing
[19:44] <penguin42> jtaylor: What package version is in sid?
[19:44] <jtaylor> 1.1.4-2.1
[19:44] <jtaylor> though I only tried a chroot
[19:44] <jtaylor> not sure what that package does
[19:44] <penguin42> nod
[19:45] <penguin42> jtaylor: It does some ip address calculation by the looks of it, I'm sure I've heard of people using it
[19:45] <jtaylor> let me still check in a real sid
[19:45] <penguin42> jtaylor: It looks like an easy fix, but the original author released a new version about 3 years ago with it fixed, it seems that would be the right thing to use (1.1.5)
[19:45] <jtaylor> also fails in precise chroot so probably sid not affected
[19:46] <penguin42> jtaylor: Nod
[19:46] <penguin42> jtaylor: I was triaging it on Precise
[19:57] <penguin42> jtaylor: I'm not really sure what to do with that bug now, best thing is to say that it just needs the package updating
[20:15] <jtaylor> penguin42: given the small change I think its resonable to just update to the new upstream


[06:07] <cpaelzer> morning little z systems out there
[14:11] <jfh> morning
[14:45] <xnox> cpaelzer, yeah \o/
[14:46] <xnox> little or under heavy load =)
[15:07] <cpaelzer> xnox: I fail to get the context :-)
[15:07] <cpaelzer> xnox: but yeah \o/ at least doesn't sound too scary
[15:08] <xnox> cpaelzer, "<cpaelzer> morning little z systems out there"
[15:09] <cpaelzer> xnox: ah that important one - sure
[15:10] <cpaelzer> xnox: you are long enough working on z now - you should get to learn all the common statements of s390 fans
[15:10] <cpaelzer> like "never trust a computer you can lift" - while not invented for z it totally applies
[15:11] <xnox> heheh
[15:11] <xnox> so i guess "little z systems" is a tongue-in-cheek statement. =)


[05:07] <pitti> Laney: where does it say "file a bug for all bug fix uploads after FF"?
[05:07] <pitti> that's ceratinly wrong, and not common practice as well
[05:07] <pitti> that's for new upstream releases, right?
[05:07] <pitti> as long as they contain a proper changelog and the developer check that there are just bug fixes, no UI etc. changes, I see no reason to file release bugs
[05:08] <pitti> there is no more or less reason for it/trust involved than for debian/ubuntu only revisions, which might also introduce features
[07:04] <Laney> pitti: it /was/ on FreezeExceptionProcess, but is no more
[07:04] <Laney> check the changes
[10:16] <Laney> whoever does the sync run today, please consider doing a backport run too :)
[10:26] <cjwatson> done (mostly; the one you care about anyway)
[10:28] <Laney> well there is one in particular, but I also care more generally about backports
[10:29] <cjwatson> there were two packages that were listed as depending on other things in the queue, so I decided to leave those a bit rather than trying to do them all at once
[10:29] <cjwatson> I did the rest
[10:44] <Laney> okey dokey
[10:44] <Laney> thanks a lot
[10:55] <cjwatson> oho, latest LP deployment rolled out the Lubuntu change I was waiting for
[11:51]  * cjwatson enables lucid CD image builds, which apparently weren't running.  I wonder if this means we'll be late for 10.04.3 :-/
[11:52] <cjwatson> hm, and it needs a few code changes
[12:00] <cjwatson> ok, doing an initial build pass now
[12:05] <jibel> cjwatson, is it possible to build 10.04.3 images with proposed enabled before the end of this week ? there are SRUs for casper, debian-installer and ubiquity to validate.
[12:06] <cjwatson> jibel: see literally the last thing I said on this channel :-)
[12:06] <cjwatson> bah, I broke cdimage
[12:07] <ogra_> was there much more to break ?
[12:07] <cjwatson> thpppppppppt
[12:08] <cjwatson> (unbroken)
[12:08] <ogra_> :)
[16:57] <jamespage> hi there - I have ~14 packages waiting in the NEW queue for oneiric to support packaging of Jenkins;
[16:58] <jamespage> they have been there for well over a week now; I wondered when they might get reviewed as I have some more to upload but wanted to clear these through first.
[18:28] <slangasek> jamespage: having a look now.  What's the source for the MIT license statement in the packages?  Upstream sources seem to be devoid of license statements
[18:29] <jamespage> slangasek: lemme take a look
[18:31] <jamespage> slangasek: any particular package you are looking at ATM?
[18:31] <slangasek> jamespage: fwiw, the actual copyright line looks suspect to me; I doubt that there's such a legal entity as "Contributors of the Jenkins project", and the author field in all the sources for jenkins-memory-monitor is a single 'Kohsuke Kawaguchi'
[18:31] <slangasek> jamespage: jenkins-memory-monitor - top of the queue :)
[18:33] <jamespage> slangasek: right - so for most of these package the licensing is outlined in the pom.xml (XX and a link to somewhere)
[18:33] <jamespage> slangasek: the source code files should have license headers - I worked with the upstream project(s) to ensure that this happened
[18:34] <jamespage> slangasek: which should reflect in debian/copyright
[18:36] <slangasek> jamespage: haha, I never would've thought to look in an xml file for license information :/
[18:37] <jamespage> licensecheck does not think todo that either :-)
[18:37] <slangasek> jamespage: so j-m-m doesn't have any license headers in the source that I can see (or that licensecheck knows how to interpret).  Since the pom.xml links specifically to a URL claiming "Copyright (c) 2011, contributors of the Jenkins project", I guess we let that stand, even though it's almost certainly not correct legally :)
[18:38] <jamespage> slangasek: let me just check whats in the queue
[18:39] <jamespage> slangasek: OK so upstream did a release for me with license headers after that one was uploaded (hence why I was a little puzzled)
[18:40] <slangasek> aha :)
[18:40] <slangasek> hmm, first time I've seen mh_make... too bad it uses cdbs :)
[18:41] <jamespage> slangasek: I believe thats on the roadmap to change
[18:41] <slangasek> :-)
[18:42] <jamespage> slangasek: do you want me to get the new version uploaded? or I could get it uploaded once its out of NEW and in the archive - its just the license headers in the source files that have changed
[18:43] <slangasek> jamespage: I'd rather you wait till I've processed this one - the missing license headers aren't a blocker for accept, it just means I had more questions when reviewing than I would have otherwise :)
[18:43] <jamespage> slangasek: fine with me
[18:43] <slangasek> accepted now
[18:44] <jamespage> \o/
[18:44] <slangasek> that's one down, anyway :)
[23:57] <slangasek> lamont: hi, need some urgent buildd chroot handling
[23:57] <slangasek> lamont: apparently something is broken in sysvinit-utils, and I currently have the publisher off because I need to fix sysvinit ;) https://launchpadlibrarian.net/75155992/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-amd64.sysvinit_2.88dsf-13.10ubuntu2_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz
[23:58] <slangasek> I wasn't expecting the autobuilders to pull from cocoplum bypassing the mirrors, sigh


[06:50] <akgraner> Awesome day 2 at Grace Hopper - gave out lots of information about ubuntu women! :-)  Many women who stopped by the booth were already using Ubuntu and wanted to know how to get involved with contribution - I sent them here :-)  Happy dance!!!
[06:50] <hypatia> akgraner: awesome!
[06:52] <akgraner> There were also a lot of students who had heard of Open Source - but not sure what it was - and it was just as exciting to talk to them and demo Ubuntu for them
[06:52] <hypatia> wow, that's fantastic :D
[06:53] <hypatia> might be worth taking emails and signing them up to the mailing list?
[06:53] <hypatia> the former (how do i get involved) types that is
[06:53] <maco> yeah set out a signup sheet
[06:55] <akgraner> I gave them my cards with the website information on it and had a link to the sign up page available if they wanted to sign up on the spot
[06:55] <akgraner> but they wanted to read about the group first
[06:58] <hypatia> nice
[06:58] <hypatia> (and understandable)
[07:02] <akgraner> Then I left the Grace Hopper event to go to a meeting/expo for the National Association of Women Business Owners no one there knew anything about ubuntu  - so of course I had to tell them about it along with the business I was there with :-)
[07:02] <akgraner> so it was a great day!
[07:02] <hypatia> :D
[07:07] <akgraner> Oh and I finally joined the systers mailing list - I kept meaning to do that  - but somehow forgot to...
[07:07] <hypatia> oh, i should really do that
[07:14] <akgraner> There were a lot of students there as well as teachers and school representatives it was cool to talk to them about what they use and why and what they would prefer to use and why
[07:14] <akgraner> This is a great conference - it's very different than a Linux Fest and the women there are freakin' AWESOME!!!
[07:17] <hypatia> ^_^
[07:17] <hypatia> thanks for the systers reminder, akgraner
[07:17]  * hypatia subscribed
[07:18] <akgraner> :-)
[07:18] <hypatia> oh wait, we were supposed to write an essay?  i just answered point-form
[07:18] <hypatia> :p
[07:19] <maco> essay? O_o
[07:22] <nigelb> essay? for what?
[07:23] <hypatia> the systers application thingy
[07:25] <nigelb> oh. OH.
[07:40] <akgraner> hypatia, I just wrote 5 4 or 5 sentences in the box  - nothing fancy or anything
[07:40] <hypatia> ah, cool
[08:07] <czajkowski> good morning
[08:16] <svaksha> hypatia: its just a few lines about /self
[08:17] <hypatia> svaksha: yeah, that's what i put
[09:11] <optimum> Does Ubuntu-Women make public reports on its financial activities?
[09:11] <hypatia> optimum: we don't have any financial activities
[09:11] <elky> optimum, we have 0 monies.
[09:12] <optimum> shouldn't canonical provide funding?
[09:12] <elky> there, this channel is logged and that report is now public. enjoy.
[09:12] <hypatia> elky: lol
[09:12] <hypatia> this just in: UW has 0 monies.
[09:14] <hypatia> optimum: canonical does fund some things such as the webhosting we use, and funding for some UW members to participate in UDS
[09:14] <AlanBell> optimum: canonical provides support, some of which costs canonicl money
[09:14] <hypatia> but it does this for all ubuntu projects
[09:15] <elky> UW isn't a legal entity in any part of the universe. We have no reporting obligations.
[09:15] <AlanBell> why do you ask?
[09:15] <optimum> I would suggest that Canonical has a duty and responsibility to provide funding to Ubuntu-Women.
[09:15] <rww> I maded you a cookie, but I eated it so we wouldn't have to put it on the tax forms.
[09:16] <elky> optimum, canonical does support us when we ask.
[09:16] <hypatia> rww: sadface
[09:17] <svaksha> optimum: feel free to suggest that on our mailing-list for wider audience response
[09:17] <optimum> svaksha: I will consider it.
[09:18] <hypatia> i'm not sure what we'd do with money
[09:18] <hypatia> aside from send more folks to UDS
[09:18] <rww> hazard pay for the channel ops
[09:18] <MarkDude> rww lol
[09:18] <hypatia> haha
[09:19] <hypatia> on nights like tonight, that seems reasonable
[09:19]  * hypatia sends thank-you cards
[09:22] <elky> optimum, was there some reason you wanted financial history for UW?
[09:25] <optimum> elky: I was wondering about who funds UW, how much funding they provide, and how the money is spent.  I am also a bit curious as to how the meetings are run, whether UW uses Robert's Rules, and so forth.
[09:25] <valorie> our past meetings are all online
[09:25] <elky> optimum, i've donated money and material objects to UW, and I really don't care for my financial activity to be public.
[09:25] <hypatia> ugh rob's rules
[09:25] <hypatia> do not want.
[09:26] <hypatia> optimum: you're welcome to attend our meetings, the schedule is public
[09:26] <hypatia> in the topic, actually
[09:26] <valorie> I've never seen a case where we needed something so hidebound and heavy
[09:29] <AlanBell> optimum: I can tell you all about meeting processes if you like, how much time do you have?
[09:29] <AlanBell> out of interest does gentoo fund it's women's group?
[09:31] <AlanBell> optimum: on the subject of meetings I would be interested in a discusion of the concept of quorum in an amorphous community group
[09:34] <optimum> I have a project I need to do, unfortunately. but I would be interested in having those discussions some other time.  I am not aware of a Gentoo women's group.  Gentoo is primarily a nonprofit production.
[09:34] <AlanBell> bit of a shame it doesn't have one, seeing as they cost zero moneies :)
[09:35] <AlanBell> the "Ubuntu community" is basically not financially driven, Canonical is a very separate entity
[09:39]  * valorie has seen the box where Gentoo is hosted
[09:40] <valorie> same row as Linuxchix
[09:40] <valorie> :-)
[09:40] <maco> ah osuosl?
[09:40] <valorie> yep
[09:40] <valorie> and kernel.org
[09:40] <valorie> and a bunch of other cool projects
[09:40] <rww> i love osuosl
[09:40] <maco> i met the osuosl guys. they had sharrow in their phone!
[09:40] <rww> only mirror that maxes out my download bandwidth <3
[09:40] <maco> (for linuxchix.org reboots)
[09:41]  * hypatia met the osuosl folks at osbridge
[09:41] <hypatia> i think?
[09:41] <valorie> yes, they were all great people
[09:41] <hypatia> they were nice, wherever i met them
[10:17] <AlanBell> aww, optimum didn't want to talk about processes :(
[10:18] <nigelb> lol
[10:21] <svaksha> he didnt mail the list asking for accounts either
[10:36] <elky> yet
[10:36] <rww> hehe
[10:36] <svaksha> lol
[10:36] <elky> optimum, so how long have you been using gentoo?
[10:47] <darkrose> someone say gentoo?
[10:57] <elky> hah
[10:58] <elky> pick the ricer nick from the backscroll? :P
[13:53] <AlanBell> issyl0 in the news http://www.number10.gov.uk/news/topstorynews/2010/09/pm-challenges-departments-to-slash-energy-use-55332
[13:56] <Pendulum> issyl0: awesome :)
[15:34] <popey>  http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/rorycellanjones/2010/09/isabells_idea_proving_green_gi.html
[15:34] <popey> :)
[17:33] <vish> wow! that is sooooooooo awesome! its like a new level of awesomeness!
[17:37] <vish> on http://www.govspark.org.uk/  "Isabell Long Age 16" nice touch! :)
[17:57] <IdleOne> very cool


[15:15] <carpii> ok, i think i do use an empty passphrase, but my servers are firewalled to my ip
[15:20] <kurumin> hi
[15:38] <llele> hello. I have ubuntu here on machine and I try to run apt-get install but I get error. How do I do to upgradera to this 9.04??
[15:40] <phh> llele: if you give the error, it would be somehow easier to answer
[15:41] <llele> phh: ok. I try apt-get update and I get Fel http://se.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages 404 Not Found
[15:41] <phh> sudo sed -ie "s/gutsy/jaunty/g" /etc/apt/source.list
[15:41] <Gamarok__> guys why is it that nothing happens when i click on the kdebluetooth4 tab
[15:42] <llele> phh: and it will work with no break?
[15:42] <Eismann> gutsy is not maintained any more
[15:42] <phh> Gamarok__: yeah only right click does anything
[15:42] <phh> llele: well upgrading from gutsy to jaunty won't be an easy task i guess ...
[15:42] <llele> that is too bad. Then I must stay with this one. thank
[15:43] <swatto> Anyone know any good books to learn about linux administration
[15:43] <Gamarok__> no when i click on it from the kmenu to laucnch it nothing happens is it just me or has anyone else encountered this
[15:45] <phh> Gamarok__: it just launch something in the systray
[15:45] <phh> and if it's already started it won't do anything else
[15:46] <Gamarok__> no thats what i am saying nothing shows in my system tray
[15:46] <Gamarok__> nothing happens
[15:46] <Gamarok__> thats the strange part phh
[15:46] <phh> oh and by the way
[15:46] <Gamarok__> and its a lil annyoing
[15:46] <phh> you must have a recognized bluetooth dongle
[15:47] <phh> to get more information on why it won't start, execute kbluetooth4 from a console
[15:47] <Gamarok__> well my bluetooth works fine in ubuntu and in previous versions of ubuntu
[15:48] <phh> weird then yes, but start it in console
[15:48] <phh> maybe the bluetooth service is stopped ?
[15:48] <Gamarok__> i restarted my bluetooth
[15:49] <Gamarok__> still nothing happens
[15:50] <Gamarok__> this the output from the terminal phh KBluetooth4 is already running! but the thing is there is no icon in my system tray
[15:50] <phh> killall kbluetooth4 and relaunch it from console
[15:51] <independente> eh minha primeira vez no irc,como que procuro por salas
[15:52] <Gamarok__> heres the output phh
[15:52] <Gamarok__> Solid::Control::ManagerBasePrivate::loadBackend: Backend loaded:  "BlueZ"
[15:52] <Gamarok__> kbluetooth4(7904) KBlueTray::offlineMode: offline Mode
[15:52] <Gamarok__> sony@sony-vaio:~$
[15:52] <phh> hum
[15:52] <phh> does hciconfig says the device is up ?
[15:52] <Dragnslcr> !br | independente
[15:53] <Gamarok__> yup it says its up and running
[15:53] <independente> #ubuntu-br
[15:53] <Gamarok__> you want to see its output
[15:54] <phh> Gamarok__: well i just don't know then
[15:55] <phh> Gamarok__: check /var/log/daemon.log for any bluetooth related error maybe
[15:56] <Gamarok__> btw heres the hci config output http://paste.ubuntu.com/173695/ till i check for the logs
[15:59] <Gamarok__> yes there are some errors regarding bluetooth phh should i pastebin my log
[16:00] <enzi> hi, i have aquestion, i want to backup files from a NTFS partition... but wenn i choose the partition, then the PC hangs a bit an there happens nothing
[16:02] <Gamarok__> phh you there
[16:06] <oko> hi
[16:06] <kaddi> !hi | oko
[16:07] <Adola> Hi!  Is there FGLRX for 9.04 yet?
[16:08] <Adola> I couldn't upgrade because of it's missing.
[16:08] <Adola> And I'm on dial-up
[16:09] <Unksi> Adola: yes, xorg-driver-fglrx in restricted
[16:09] <hume> hi..this feels like an odd question, but I just cannot figure it out: how do I play an audio cd with the new amarok?
[16:10] <ign0ramus> hume, i don't think that feature has been implemented into Amarok 2 yet
[16:10] <Adola> Unksi: So, Just to make sure, these are the video drivers for ATi cards right?  And about 2 weeks ago, they weren't there?  But now are?
[16:11] <Unksi> Adola: all i know about that is that packages.ubuntu.com states that there is a package with that name^
[16:11] <ign0ramus> hume, i would recommend using a different music player - Amarok 2 is quite ready yet :(
[16:11] <silentstri16> is there a program similar to windows wamp for linux?
[16:11] <Unksi> i have only nvidia and intel cards with my machines so cant test
[16:11] <enzi> hi, i have aquestion, i want to backup files from a NTFS partition... but wenn i choose the partition, then the PC hangs a bit an there happens nothing
[16:11] <Adola> Ah...Hrm.
[16:12] <ign0ramus> enzi, what are you using to access your NTFS partition?
[16:14] <hume> ign0ramus, thx... just for a while felt like it was me going crazy.....:)
[16:14] <enzi> i just use the konqueror
[16:14] <ign0ramus> hume, Amarok 2 should not have been included in 9.04, as it's nowhere near ready... there's a PPA to use v1.4 in the meantime if you'd like
[16:15] <ign0ramus> enzi, is the partition mounted?
[16:15] <enzi> i am totaly new at linux. i dont know how to mount
[16:15] <eagles0513875> anyone having any random stuttering with 64bit flash cuz its happening to me when playing flash based games in firefox
[16:16] <silentstri16> can anyone tell me of a program to host a web @ ip? i.e. windows has wamp and xampp
[16:16] <ign0ramus> enzi, if you right click the NTFS partition icon > Properties, does it say if it is mounted?
[16:16] <ign0ramus> silentstri16, lamp?
[16:17] <enzi> no, there is nothing notet
[16:18] <ign0ramus> enzi, i don't understand you... Is your partition mounted?
[16:18] <windowsguy> why doesent setting a static ip address work ?
[16:18] <enzi> i dont know, how do i mount it?
[16:18] <ign0ramus> enzi, you don't if it's already mounted.  is it mounted?
[16:19] <hume> ign0ramus, a PPA? how do I use the 1.4?
[16:19] <enzi> i can see it at the konqueror but i dont get acces
[16:19] <enzi> earlyer it was a Windows Root Partiotion
[16:19] <Gamarok__> guys can anyone tell me why nothing happens when i launch kbluetooth4 from kmenu
[16:19] <ign0ramus> hume, http://nomad.ca/blog/2009/apr/3/amarok-14-jaunty-ubuntu-904/
[16:20] <Gamarok__> i mean i dont get a systemtray icon or a window
[16:20] <ign0ramus> enzi, ok, you're not following directions... please right click the partition's icon and select properties.  it will tell you if it's already mounted
[16:21] <ign0ramus> enzi, also, what is the NTFS partition's name (ie, /dev/sda1)?
[16:21] <Gamarok__> guys can anyone tell me why nothing happens when i launch kbluetooth4 from kmenu
[16:22] <windowsguy> i set it in /etc/network/interfaces for eth1.  it doesent work when i boot. why.  http://rafb.net/p/BYl2sn81.html
[16:23] <eagles0513875> windowsguy: it does but your wired device is normally eth0
[16:23] <enzi> it is calles "Volume(NTFS)" and when i rightclick it, then there comes just the note, to Hide it, nothing else, i cant find/get propertys
[16:23] <windowsguy> eagles0513875: well it's not
[16:23] <windowsguy> ifconfig says eth1
[16:23] <windowsguy> and thats what dhclient assigns to
[16:23] <ign0ramus> enzi: please pastebin the output of command "mount"
[16:23] <windowsguy> again,  i set it in /etc/network/interfaces for eth1.  it doesent work when i boot. why.  http://rafb.net/p/BYl2sn81.html
[16:23] <eagles0513875> windowsguy: im assuming your running /etc/init.d/networking restart right
[16:23] <windowsguy> eagles0513875: that doesnet work either
[16:24] <windowsguy> damn thing sucks
[16:24] <eagles0513875> windowsguy: ifconfig eth1 down did that do anything
[16:24] <windowsguy> i have to put it down, before i restart it ?
[16:24] <eagles0513875> windowsguy: no just down then up
[16:24] <windowsguy> you mean the reastart script couldn't do that.
[16:24] <windowsguy> i'll be back
[16:24] <windowsguy> it'll probobly fail anyway.
[16:24] <eagles0513875> windowsguy: i had a similar issue ended up bypassing the entire widget
[16:25] <enzi> /dev/sda6 on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)
[16:25] <enzi> tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
[16:25] <enzi> proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[16:25] <enzi> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[16:25] <enzi> varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
[16:25] <enzi> varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777)
[16:25] <enzi> udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
[16:25] <enzi> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
[16:25] <eagles0513875> windowsguy: if  i remember correctly i had to reboot
[16:25] <enzi> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620)
[16:25] <enzi> fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
[16:25] <enzi> lrm on /lib/modules/2.6.28-11-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw,mode=755)
[16:25] <eagles0513875> !paste | enzi
[16:25] <enzi> securityfs on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
[16:25] <enzi> binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[16:25] <eagles0513875> SPAM
[16:25] <enzi> /dev/sda2 on /media/disk type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096)
[16:25] <windowsguy> reboot ?
[16:25] <eagles0513875> enzi: dont do that
[16:25] <ign0ramus> !paste | http://nomad.ca/blog/2009/apr/3/amarok-14-jaunty-ubuntu-904/
[16:25] <windowsguy> ive been rebooting
[16:25] <windowsguy> i sense this is going to be typical linux crap that wont work
[16:25] <eagles0513875> windowsguy: clean install or upgrade
[16:25] <ign0ramus> enzi ^ please use pastebin
[16:25] <eagles0513875> windowsguy: are you also trying to use the network manager widget
[16:27] <windowsg1y> that failed
[16:27] <windowsg1y> i had to dhclient to get an ip address
[16:27] <windowsg1y> damn thing sucks
[16:27] <windowsg1y> i ran  ifconfig eth1 down; ifconfig eth1 up
[16:27] <windowsguy> failed
[16:27] <eagles0513875> windowsg1y: you trying to use both the network manager and the interfaces file?
[16:28] <windowsg1y> networkmanager is not running inthe tray
[16:28] <windowsg1y> if thats what you're asking
[16:28] <eagles0513875> ya
[16:28] <eagles0513875> strange
[16:28] <quassel208> I have installed a Windows program, mounted the iso, and now the program barks that it needs the cd
[16:28] <eagles0513875> me im bypassing the new network manager all together and useing the file i mentioned
[16:29] <eagles0513875> windowsg1y: can you pastebin whats in the interfaces file please
[16:29] <swatto> Anyone know a good tutorial or program I can use that enables me to have a mac-like dashboard?
[16:30] <windowsg1y> http://rafb.net/p/zlRpzl78.html
[16:31] <eagles0513875> does your machine have 2 network cards windowsg1y
[16:31] <ign0ramus> swatto, don't know why you'd want to, but did you see this? --> http://mihirknows.blogspot.com/2009/05/turn-ubuntu-jaunty-into-mac-osx.html
[16:32] <windowsg1y> eagles0513875: not just one
[16:32] <windowsg1y> on ethernet
[16:32] <BluesKaj> windowsg1y, right click on network manager/manage connections, set it up from the dialog
[16:32] <swatto> ahh yes thats what I want to do :)
[16:32] <windowsg1y> but kubuntu is too dumb to not see an eth0 and calls it eth1
[16:33] <eagles0513875> windowsg1y: crazy thought could you tell the file to try eth0
[16:33] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: i tried with default jaunty one and it wouldnt even get me dhcp bypassed and using /etc/network/interfaces
[16:33] <windowsg1y> network mangager?!?!?!! THAT THING SUCKS !!!
[16:34] <BluesKaj> the widget one, windowsg1y ?
[16:34] <eagles0513875> windowsg1y: the plasma-widget-network-manager
[16:34] <windowsg1y> yea
[16:34] <windowsg1y> it sucks ass
[16:34] <Gunnar_Eismann> windowsg1y: what shows ifconfig -a?
[16:34] <windowsg1y> incompitant
[16:34] <eagles0513875> !ohmy
[16:35] <windowsg1y> ifconfig -a says ---> eth1 , lo, pan0 hat ever that is, and pan0:avahi
[16:35] <windowsg1y> and it's missing wlan0
[16:36] <swatto> You know the K menu taskbar at the bottom is it possible to move it at the top and fade it out a little bit?
[16:36] <Gunnar_Eismann> sometimes eth1 is the wireless intreface
[16:36] <windowsg1y> well it's not. it's my ethernet interface
[16:36] <windowsg1y> in this case
[16:37] <Sir_Brizz> does anyone know how to make network manager connect to my non broadcasting wifi router?
[16:37] <tzanger> I gave up on networkmanager and installed wicd
[16:37] <ign0ramus> swatto, not sure if you can move the default panel, but you can create a new one at the top and add whatever widgets you want... also transparency will depend on your style/theme
[16:38] <windowsg1y> network manager is not letting me type the ip address
[16:38] <windowsg1y> i clicked manual under the drop box
[16:38] <Sir_Brizz> heh
[16:38] <eagles0513875> windowsg1y: then hit add
[16:38] <windowsg1y> i did
[16:38] <Gunnar_Eismann> windowsg1y: did you try to connect manually with ifconfig?
[16:38] <windowsg1y> ok
[16:38] <Sir_Brizz> it's ironic because if I login to my gnome session the wireless will connct. If I then log out and back in to KDE it will also connect
[16:38] <windowsg1y> yea i can manually assing with ifconfig
[16:38] <Sir_Brizz> if my computer goes to sleep it breaks again
[16:38] <windowsg1y> but im not gonna type those lines everytime i reboot
[16:39] <phh> swatto: left click on it, "configure panel", click and drop screen border & height for what you want
[16:39] <Gunnar_Eismann> i know
[16:39] <ign0ramus> Sir_Brizz, have you tried using wicd instead of network manager?
[16:39] <swatto> last time i messed with that I screwed it up and had to delete some kde files to reset back to default
[16:39] <ign0ramus> swatto, was that in kde 4.0?
[16:40] <swatto> yep I think thats what is installed here
[16:40] <ign0ramus> swatto, o_O .... well i'd fix that issue first.  kde 4.0 is very... uh... not so great
[16:41] <phh> ign0ramus: you mean the worst thing we can ever imagine after amarok2 ? :)
[16:41] <Gunnar_Eismann> windowsg1y: btw, you will need an "auto eth1" in the interfaces file if you want it to work when you restart
[16:41] <ign0ramus> phh, lol. yeah :)
[16:41] <windowsg1y> ugg
[16:41] <ign0ramus> swatto, you want at least kde 4.2.2 before messing with any settings
[16:41] <swatto> how can I find out what kde i am running
[16:42] <ign0ramus> swatto, an easy way to check is to go to Help > About KDE in any kde app
[16:42] <windowsguy> Gunnar_Eismann: thanx that worked
[16:42] <Gunnar_Eismann> windowsg1y: If you use /etc/network/interfaces instead network-manager, you need to add that line
[16:42] <windowsguy> i dont know why no one coulda just told me that.  ive been asking every day for like 50 times.
[16:43] <swatto> hmm cant see it
[16:43] <nightdrever> could someone guide me in setting up thunderbird so i can check hotmail and yahoo emails?
[16:44] <phh> nightdrever: you just can't for hotmail
[16:44] <ign0ramus> swatto, can you open konqueror?
[16:44] <swatto> ahh im using KDE 4.2.2
[16:44] <nightdrever> phh i thought you could after downloading an addon?
[16:44] <ign0ramus> swatto, ok there you go :)
[16:45] <phh> nightdrever: oh well maybe then
[16:45] <nightdrever> i just dont know how todo it
[16:45] <phh> swatto: so just do what i said, it should just works unless you're way too bad :)
[16:45] <swatto> Trying to get this AWN thing installed, well ive installed AWN but trying to get the dock thing now, I have compiz up and running
[16:45] <ign0ramus> swatto, now, if you right click your desktop, and add new panel, you can add all your regular stuff back to that panel
[16:45] <pasQualle> hey guys, I hope someone can help me with my klauncher prob
[16:45] <ign0ramus> swatto, if you're satisfied with how everything is working, you can remove the bottom panel safely
[16:46] <phh> nightdrever: go on http://webmail.mozdev.org/installation.html and install the hotmail thing
[16:46] <swatto> I tried but cannot get the system tray thing to display correctly, it streches across the whole bar
[16:46] <phh> and the webmail thing too.
[16:48] <pasQualle> in nearly every program, i.e. k3b, where I need to open files or folders, I get a _cannot talk to klauncher_ message
[16:49] <ign0ramus> swatto, i've seen this happen before.. if you create a new panel, and add the system tray on the new one, is it still huge?
[16:49] <swatto> Ahh I have managed to but the original taskbar at the top now
[16:49] <ign0ramus> swatto, that's what you asked for, right?
[16:50] <swatto> yep
[16:50] <swatto> but yes create new panel still makes the widget strech across whole panel
[16:50] <ign0ramus> swatto, :/  looking for a fix
[16:52] <nate_> hi
[16:53] <nate_> i recently upgraded to 9.04 and when i do an update it says the backend took to long and i need to fork....
[16:53] <nate_> what is this fork
[16:53] <ign0ramus> swatto, one workaround is to create a separate panel just for system tray and you can resize that panel for your needs... still looking though
[16:54] <ign0ramus> swatto, what if you add the Task Manager widget to the panel... does it properly resize the system tray?
[16:54] <swatto> ill try
[16:55] <nate_> anybody know what 'need to fork' means
[16:55] <ign0ramus> swatto, try sliding it to different locations along the panel... it should resize the system tray widget
[16:56] <swatto> yep the task manager widget is resized properly when adding it
[16:56] <ign0ramus> swatto, does that solve your problem satisfactorily?
[16:56] <swatto> yep well its fine because I have moved the original bottom bar to the top now, thankyou for your help :)
[16:57] <swatto> now just trying to get Awn to work but it isnt displaying
[16:57] <ign0ramus> swatto, np
[16:57] <ign0ramus> swatto, that i know nothing about.
[16:58] <mofux> hi, is there the kde4.3 beta1 release available from somewhere for intrepid?
[16:58] <swatto> gonna restart, bye all :)
[17:00] <nate_> is there anybody out there?
[17:01] <nate_> are my updates taking, if i get an error message about needing to fork?
[17:01] <dimbass> тут по руске кто не буть пишет
[17:02] <Unksi> !ru | dimbass
[17:03] <Unksi> nate_: what is the exact error?
[17:03] <nate_> the backend took too long you need to fork!
[17:04] <Unksi> hmm, what happens if you try to run the update again?
[17:05] <ign0ramus> nate_, this is a known issue, that's allegedly being worked on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit/+bug/272410
[17:05] <nate_> sweet so its ok
[17:08] <swatto> woo seems to work, I have the dock at the bottom however it only adds icons when I open the program
[17:08] <nate_> do you think it could be because my comp is 9 yrs old
[17:09] <swatto> ohh yes works :)
[17:10] <nate_> thanks
[17:10] <ign0ramus> nate_, no, it happens on all kinds of hardware.  if it's preventing you from installing hardware, you can always still use adept, synaptic, or (recommended) terminal
[17:10] <ign0ramus> *installing software
[17:16] <swatto> Anyone know how I stop Awn Dock from showing Icons for open applications
[17:17] <ign0ramus> swatto, if no one here can help, check the wiki: http://wiki.awn-project.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
[17:30] <lena> hello there.. i had a problem with with a printer.. it's the hp psc 1350, which is connected on a windows xp.. the printer is also shared..
[17:30] <lena> in the same network is a computer which running kubuntu jaunty
[17:31] <lena> i tried to configure cups the right way, so over the samba-protocoll (because it's a windows-share)
[17:32] <lena> the strange thing is, it's on the xp-machine in the spooler
[17:32] <lena> and the printer does something (you could hear it)
[17:32] <lena> but it never print  something out..
[17:33] <lena> and i also couldn't delete the job on the windows xp-machine, but i must wait until he is finished
[17:33] <lena> but he never does finishing.. so i must restart the spooler on windows xp to print something from windows.. this is not so fine, i just want to print from jaunty..
[17:33] <lena> could someone help me?
[17:39] <slow-motion> hi
[17:41] <Gunnar_Eismann> hi
[17:41] <user____> hello
[17:42] <user____> i hae a problem
[17:42] <user____> i have the riva tnt2 model 64 from nvidia, but i have all done whats stands in wiki
[17:42] <user____> but when i put in devices in the cnf file xserver dont start after restart.
[17:42] <user____> i mean rename nv with nvidia
[17:43] <user____> can u help me?
[17:44] <robert__> hello, ive got a few
[17:44] <robert__> damn, pressed enter insead of ", anyway...
[17:45] <robert__> ive got a few "places" or compartements with stuff on it, not everytime i want to load music from the music player or start a game, i have to go to that partition to mount it before i can start the application or data
[17:45] <robert__> is there a roundabout to this?
[17:46] <user____> can anyone help me with my problems
[17:52] <ign0ramus> robert__, you want to automatically mount a partition?
[17:52] <user____> can noone help me
[17:52] <ign0ramus> user___, if someone can help they will answer you.  if you don't find a suitable answer, you can always ask a little later when others are on
[18:02] <marcio> opa
[18:02] <marcio> alguem br ai?
[18:03] <Guest68555> minha pasta desktop foi deletada e agora tudo que eu coloco no home folder aparece na area de trabalho
[18:03] <NemesisUK> hi all
[18:03] <kuruminng> someone pt here?
[18:03] <kuruminng> portugues
[18:03] <NemesisUK> does anyone know what command i need to type to see how ubuntu names my soundcard?
[18:04] <kuruminng> view in system dude
[18:04] <NemesisUK> need to have it for config teamspeak
[18:04] <kuruminng> information center
[18:04] <NemesisUK> like sdp
[18:04] <kuruminng> what game are you playing?
[18:04] <NemesisUK> cant seem to get any voice from mic
[18:05] <kuruminng> test the microfone
[18:05] <NemesisUK> aha
[18:05] <NemesisUK> got a audigt2 zs pro
[18:05] <NemesisUK> useing line in/mic
[18:05] <NemesisUK> when i select that i cant hear my own voice
[18:07] <NemesisUK> useless
[18:12] <Feldegastr> every time i start kde, it starts 640x480 and when i open system settings > Display, the resolution imidiatly switches to 1280x1024 (which was previously set) without me changing anything, is there any way i can get kde to start with the 1280x1024 resolution without having to open the display settings?
[18:14] <nightdrever> does anyone know hoew to get yahoo working on thunderbird?
[18:14] <nightdrever> ive got hotmailk working but cant seem to get yahoo working
[18:16] <airbus> bonne nuit
[18:19] <swatto> Can Anyone recommend a good programming text editor
[18:19] <fabio_> hi swatto, kate is the best
[18:19] <Feldegastr> vi? ;-)
[18:19] <goshawk_> swatto: kate, code_blocks
[18:19] <goshawk_> code::blocks
[18:19] <swatto> ok cheers :)
[18:19] <goshawk_> swatto: maybe eclipse
[18:19] <Feldegastr> i like mc for the command line
[18:19] <fabio_> whick languace swatto?
[18:19] <swatto> python
[18:20] <goshawk_> swatto: eclipse + pydev has code-completition for it
[18:20] <fabio_> ok, go with kate, it has an embedded konsole
[18:20] <user____> so noone can help me?
[18:20] <fabio_> eclipse is the best but ssoooo huge
[18:20] <goshawk_> user___: it depends from your question
[18:21] <fabio_> warning: i am a real wannabee....someone is working on KDE4.3 packaging?
[18:21] <user____> i have the glx 71 driver, but when i use as driver nvidia, xserver not start up
[18:21] <fabio_> user....have you edited xorg.conf file'
[18:22] <user____> yes
[18:22] <user____> as driver as nvidia
[18:22] <fabio_> what's the error?
[18:22] <user____> but then xserver ot start, says no screen found
[18:23] <fabio_> has configuration run depmod?
[18:23] <user____> i dont know
[18:24] <user____> i have used the package from reposerity with software install of kubuntu
[18:24] <Feldegastr> i probably need to do a fresh install, i have been using upgraded kubuntu sinse 2006 but the video worked back then!
[18:24] <robert__> ign0ramus I think thats the solution, iinstamounting :P
[18:24] <fabio_> ok. if you use "driver nv" in xorg.conf gives you problems?
[18:24] <ign0ramus> robert__, is it an ntfs partition?
[18:24] <robert__> yes, all
[18:24] <robert__> 3 of em
[18:24] <robert__> ooh, one is not
[18:25] <robert__> its nt3 (or something?)
[18:25] <ign0ramus> robert__, what does the "df" command tell you?  (pastebin results)
[18:25] <robert__> ext3
[18:25] <refic> yeah, this has probably been asked a few thousand times but what's the status of kde 4.3 in karmic?
[18:25] <goshawk_> fabio_: KDE4.3 should be here via kde nightly builds
[18:26] <fabio_> thanks goshawk...does it mean neon project?
[18:26] <robert__> http://pastebin.com/d57a11c6d
[18:26] <goshawk_> fabio_: yes neon project
[18:26] <fabio_> sorry refic...i'm a wannbee
[18:26] <goshawk_> fabio_: but be aware
[18:26] <fabio_> yes...goshawk... i won't use it.
[18:27] <ign0ramus> robert__, ok which partition(s) do you want mounted?
[18:27] <fabio_> bec<ause i had more problems than pleasures
[18:27] <goshawk_> fabio_: kde stable relases are unstable for now, so trunk or alpha should be nightmares :)
[18:27] <robert__> ooh, 146!, games and another one, that doesnt show because it isnt mounted yet
[18:27] <goshawk_> fabio_: are you italian?
[18:27] <fabio_> yep
[18:27] <fabio_> sì
[18:27] <goshawk_> hahahahahha
[18:28] <robert__> http://pastebin.com/m3f91a4c0
[18:28] <ign0ramus> robert__, do you have "ntfs-3g" and "ntfs-config" installed?
[18:28] <robert__> i think thats all you need to know from the command df
[18:28] <fabio_> mi hai beccato!
[18:28] <goshawk_> perchè provi a tradurre l'italiano in inglese? :) "more problems than pleasures"
[18:28] <robert__> how do i check that? (i dunno)
[18:28] <goshawk_> robert__: check what?
[18:28] <fabio_> perchè mi piace!
[18:29] <ign0ramus> robert__, just try installing them, and either they will install or tell you that they're already installed
[18:29] <robert__> robert__, do you have "ntfs-3g" and "ntfs-config" installed?
[18:29] <fabio_> fom where goshawk
[18:29] <ign0ramus> robert__, they make mounting ntfs very easy
[18:29] <robert__> ive got them mounted, but I have to click on them every time in Places when i want data from them
[18:30] <robert__> like then they will be active
[18:30] <ign0ramus> robert__, i'm not sure i follow; what are you trying to accomplish?
[18:30] <robert__> well, wait for the picture :P
[18:31] <goshawk_> fabio_: from Milan :P
[18:31] <corigo> KPackageKit is failing to install Sun Java because: "sun-dlj-v1-1 license could not be presented" ... any solutions?
[18:31] <goshawk_> corigo install from apt-get
[18:31] <fabio_> Milàn!
[18:31] <goshawk_> or aptitude
[18:32] <robert__> damnit, prt scr doenst work :P
[18:32] <goshawk_> fabio_: but i'm here just for Politecnico, i'm from Sicily
[18:32] <fabio_> another question: does Packagekit support proxy?
[18:32] <ign0ramus> robert__, you can alt+f2 and then run ksnapshot to take a screen
[18:32] <goshawk_> well, packagekit is an API, it's not a program, kpackagekit is a program that uses packagekit API
[18:32] <ign0ramus> corigo, if you install java via terminal, it will bring up the licensing screen
[18:33] <fabio_> yes. do API support proxing?
[18:33] <swatto> I installed kubuntu via wubi (the windows installer) is there any way I can access my NTFS partition from ubuntu?
[18:34] <fabio_> don't tell me to "dig into APIs".
[18:34] <corigo> goshawk_: 9.04 there is no "aptitude" interface available other than KPackage
[18:34] <fabio_> because I will do it only if noone knows
[18:35] <goshawk_> corigo: apt-get install aptitude
[18:35] <goshawk_> corigo: sudo aptitude
[18:35] <goshawk_> corigo: it's kinda apt-get, but with a curses gui
[18:35] <goshawk_> fabio_: i don't think that the API take care of the proxy, it's a application matter
[18:36] <fabio_> goshawk. I don't think so.
[18:36] <goshawk_> fabio_: packagekit is an api to build a package manager that works with all the package management which support packagekit api (deb, rpm, and so on)
[18:36] <robert__> ing0ramus
[18:36] <robert__> http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/8015/snapshot1.png
[18:36] <corigo> goshawk_: exactly... response is: Invalid operation aptitude
[18:36] <ign0ramus> swatto, do they show up under /media ?
[18:37] <goshawk_> corigo: be sure that you write exactly "sudo apt-get install aptitude"
[18:37] <ign0ramus> robert__, ok, so you're not using kubuntu, then?
[18:37] <fabio_> mmm...so I have to dig into two codes.
[18:37] <robert__> uhm... i think not?
[18:37] <ign0ramus> robert__, no... but you're in the kubuntu channel
[18:37] <swatto> no it just has cdrom, cdrom0, floppy, floppy0
[18:38] <ign0ramus> robert__, either way, this is fixable
[18:38] <robert__> i downloaded kubuntu for irc
[18:38] <ign0ramus> swatto, what about /host ?
[18:38] <fabio_> bye all.
[18:38] <goshawk_> bye fabio_
[18:38] <goshawk_> :P
[18:38] <fabio_> bye goshawk. buoni studi!
[18:38] <ign0ramus> robert__, are these partitions mounted on startup?
[18:39] <robert__> yeah, i think they are, only thing i have to do is click them as in the picture
[18:39] <pc1> hola
[18:40] <gigasoft> how to copy copy-protected dvd, any help?!
[18:40] <ign0ramus> robert__, well, yes, you would have to click them to access them via gui... I'm still not understanding what your question is... :/
[18:40] <corigo> goshawk_: skipping the whole aptitude stuff... from the command line I do get to see the lovely license, but can't seem to approve it?!?
[18:40] <corigo> (for Java)
[18:40] <swatto> ah yes i can see them in host
[18:40] <goshawk_> corigo: probably you have to scroll it all down, and then click ok
[18:40] <ign0ramus> corigo, use the right arrow key
[18:40] <swatto> does that mean I can copy from there too
[18:41] <ign0ramus> swatto, should be able to... i never used wubi before
[18:41] <robert__> can they be auto accessed on start up so i dont have to do that so i can load programs from them without having to click to access them?
[18:41] <swatto> I dont understand, does linux mount on its own volume even though it was installed via windows installer
[18:42] <ign0ramus> swatto, because it uses a different filesystem that it must create to run
[18:42] <ign0ramus> robert__, what programs would you like to run on startup?
[18:43] <robert__> Steam via wine and i have all my music on one of those partitions, and the rhytmbox gets stuck if dont give it access
[18:44] <eagles0513875> im having a weird issue sometimes firefox just closes itself same with a game running in wine any ideas as to the cause
[18:44] <ign0ramus> robert__, ok for rhythmbox... you're saying it can't access the partition with the music on it until you click on it in Places ... right?
[18:44] <robert__> yes
[18:44] <ign0ramus> robert__, ok, did you install ntfs-3g and ntfs-config?
[18:45] <robert__> not yet ^^
[18:45] <swatto> How do I see what running processes I have open so that I can kill them
[18:45] <ign0ramus> robert__, ok get those 2, they make things much easier ;)
[18:45] <ign0ramus> swatto, "top"
[18:46] <robert__> i only found ntfs-config 0.5.5
[18:47] <robert__> and it only "Enable write support for external device"
[18:47] <corigo> sorry missed any responses... connection dropped
[18:47] <robert__> ill try google :P
[18:47] <ign0ramus> woops... accidentally killed Konversation :/
[18:47] <goshawk_> corigo: probably you have to scroll it all down, and then click ok
[18:47] <swatto> thanks :) think I can run steam from the NTFS volume using wine
[18:47] <corigo> I can see it, I can click it, nothing happens
[18:48] <goshawk_> corigo: it's keyboard based
[18:48] <ign0ramus> anyone else have an issue where ctrl+alt+esc kill icon doesn't disappear after killing a window?  I have to restart X...
[18:48] <corigo> ah so
[18:48] <goshawk_> corigo: use tab to move into ok and then push return (OK)
[18:48] <goshawk_> press
[18:48] <corigo> Yes, I think Keyboard based came just after I figured that out. thanks
[18:49] <robert__>  i only found ntfs-config 0.5.5
[18:49] <robert__> and it only "Enable write support for external device"
[18:49] <robert__>  ill try google :P
[18:49] <corigo> I've several people complaining about KPackageKit... I'm going to have to add my voice
[18:49] <ign0ramus> robert__, just type it in terminal "sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g ntfs-config"
[18:50] <ign0ramus> corigo, it is very buggy and crashy
[18:50] <robert__> ntfs-3g is already the newest version.
[18:50] <robert__> ntfs-config is already the newest version.
[18:50] <ign0ramus> robert__, ok good.
[18:50] <ign0ramus> robert__, now "gksu ntfs-config"
[18:50] <ign0ramus> robert__, I'm assuming you don't have kde installed
[18:51] <robert__> dunno, prolly not
[18:51] <ign0ramus> robert__, enable read/write for all partitions
[18:51] <robert__> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[18:51] <kurumin> ola
[18:51] <corigo> What I really want to know is if anyone can confirm having issues with plugging and unplugging speakers/headphones into their system. I've lost video and had to press the system restart button 4 times today due to plugging in my headphones
[18:51] <kurumin> alguem pode me dizer o q e isso?
[18:51] <ign0ramus> robert__, huh?  you should get a window pop up when you run "gksu ntfs-config" ... do you see it?
[18:52] <robert__> yeah
[18:52] <robert__> already had that window
[18:52] <ign0ramus> robert__, ok, so you enabled both, yes?
[18:52] <robert__> and it only says (button) "Enable write support for external device"
[18:52] <robert__> yeah
[18:52] <ign0ramus> robert__, ok, good.  now for ntfs-3g... give me a minute
[18:52] <kaddi> hi, my pc just froze (yet again -.-), the image is stuck, but the sound keeps playing... how can i get it unstuck?
[18:53] <robert__> done that now, so rhythmbox should be ok, and wine too right?
[18:54] <ign0ramus> robert__, maybe not yet... we havent set auto mount yet
[18:54] <robert__> ah :)
[18:54] <ign0ramus> robert__, what is the name of the partition with the music (ie, "/dev/sdb1")?
[18:55] <robert__> lemme df first
[18:55] <corigo> !es
[18:55] <nightdrever> are there any email programs for linux that you can read both yahoo and hotmail mails?
[18:55] <robert__>   /dev/sdb6             93241228  89071008   4170220  96% /media/Muziek
[18:56] <davidjheinrich> hi all
[18:56] <ign0ramus> robert__, OK.  please pastebin your fstab "gksu gedit /etc/fstab"
[18:56] <robert__> or wait :) thats the 146! one, anyway
[18:56] <kurumin> Ola
[18:56] <davidjheinrich> does anyone know how to restart the mysql daemon?
[18:56] <kurumin> alguem pode me dizer o q e isto?
[18:56] <nightdrever> are there any email programs for linux that you can read both yahoo and hotmail mails????
[18:56] <robert__> http://pastebin.com/m256b1459
[18:56] <nightdrever> noone know?
[18:57] <ign0ramus> davidjheinrich, "sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart" ?
[18:57] <kaddi> !br
[18:57] <corigo> nightdrever: which have you tried? As long as Yahoo and Hotmail support POP3 any application can, if enabled in your account
[18:57] <davidjheinrich> ign04amus, when I dod that, it says "sudo: /etc/init.d/mysql: command not found"
[18:58] <nightdrever> well i tried to get thunderbird but i dint suceed
[18:58] <nightdrever> anyones that do it automatically?
[18:58] <corigo> Try Zimbra from Yahoo
[18:59] <eagles0513875> !zimbra
[18:59] <eagles0513875> !info zimbra
[18:59] <eagles0513875> O_O
[18:59] <ign0ramus> robert__, do this "sudo mkdir /mnt/ntfs"
[18:59] <corigo> nightdrever: zimbra.com
[19:00] <robert__> ign0ramus done
[19:00] <ign0ramus> robert__, ok, now we will make a backup of your fstab: "sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.bak"
[19:01] <robert__> Done
[19:02] <ign0ramus> robert__, ok now clear your current fstab, and paste this one inside: http://pastebin.com/m79aedacb
[19:02] <robert__> okay
[19:02] <ign0ramus> robert__, the line I added "/dev/sdb6    /mnt/ntfs    ntfs-3g    defaults    0 0" should now auto-mount this partition automatically when you start up
[19:03] <ign0ramus> robert__, save and exit gedit.
[19:03] <ign0ramus> robert__, if you want to test, reboot, and see if this partition is mounted on startup
[19:03] <robert__> yeah, can I self do it for other partitions?
[19:04] <ign0ramus> robert__, yes, but I would check to make sure this works before adding all kinds of other stuff :)
[19:04] <robert__> haha, okay :D
[19:04] <ign0ramus> robert__, again, if you want to use your old fstab, just take off the ".bak" file and let it overwrite the one we just created
[19:05] <robert__> gonna restart now, see you in a minute and check it...
[19:05] <ign0ramus> robert__, k i'll be here
[19:05] <swatto> Is there any way I can make the Hardware Info widget longer so it doesn'thave a scrollbar?
[19:07] <Phibes> and im back
[19:07] <Phibes> im robert__
[19:08] <dsmith_> well linux recongnize 4gb memory?
[19:08] <ign0ramus> Phibes, now is that partiton automatically mounted and read for rhythmbox?
[19:08] <Phibes> hah, ill check
[19:08] <corigo> dsmith_: yes
[19:08] <dsmith_> corigo: thx
[19:09] <Phibes> it disapeared completely!
[19:09] <ign0ramus> Phibes, huh?
[19:09] <Phibes> well, its not in my places list anymore
[19:09] <ign0ramus> Phibes, do "sudo fdisk -l"
[19:09] <ign0ramus> Phibes, do you see it there?
[19:10] <swatto> Anyone know if there is a network info widget available?
[19:10] <Phibes> okay, it hasnt all but disapeared :p
[19:10] <ign0ramus> Phibes, phew! editing your fstab shouldn't delete partitions!
[19:10] <ign0ramus> Phibes, okay, but does it work how it should now?
[19:10] <Phibes>  /sdb6 is still there but it doesnt show in places
[19:11] <corigo> dsmith: and if you have 64bit system (and 64bit Linus) then much more as well
[19:11] <ign0ramus> Phibes, you should be able to add it back to the menu later if you want
[19:11] <Phibes> ill just try on another partition (ext3) first
[19:11] <ign0ramus> Phibes, your ext3 partition (if you only have one), is the linux partition you're using now
[19:11] <ign0ramus> Phibes, it has to be mounted! (unless you're running on a livecd)
[19:12] <Phibes> you sir, are incorrect, i have 2 (i think?)
[19:12] <ign0ramus> Phibes, that's why i said "if you only have one"... ;)
[19:13] <Phibes> aaah... I see, its now become a folder instead of a partition and is not in between 146! and the games partition
[19:13] <ign0ramus> Phibes, ext3/4 partitions will show as "linux" in the fdisk command
[19:13] <Phibes> okay...
[19:13] <Walzmyn> how can you move widgets on your taskbar?
[19:13] <ign0ramus> Phibes, but does it work how it should?  that's why we went through all this!
[19:13] <Phibes> /dev/sdb6             93241228  89071008   4170220  96% /mnt/ntfs
[19:13] <Phibes> /dev/sdb5             51472228  35588716  15883512  70% /media/Games
[19:13] <Phibes> /dev/sda1            153834852 100535584  45484852  69% /media/146!
[19:13] <Phibes> it does :D
[19:14] <Phibes> see at the end, mnt/ntfs means its mounted like i want to :D
[19:14] <ign0ramus> Phibes, so you are happy with the results?
[19:14] <Phibes> yes :D
[19:14] <Phibes> thx allot :D
[19:14] <Phibes> im gonna do the same to the others :)
[19:14] <ign0ramus> Phibes, np.... you had me sweating there for a minute!
[19:14] <ign0ramus> Phibes, do you know what you're doing?
[19:14] <Phibes> haha :) well... lucky for you its not iraq :D
[19:15] <Phibes> ill copy the line, change the number for sdb5
[19:15] <ign0ramus> Phibes, very true :)
[19:15] <ign0ramus> Phibes, okay, you got it
[19:15] <Phibes> and for sda1...
[19:15] <Phibes> i dunno, its ext3 so...
[19:15] <ign0ramus> Phibes, keep in mind, the setting i gave it "default 0 0" are not very secure - they are globally readable/writable
[19:16] <ign0ramus> Phibes, leave the ext3 alone... it's already mounted when you start up linux
[19:16] <corigo> Walzmyn: click on the cashew at the end then select the widget and drag and drop
[19:16] <Phibes> okay... so that means 146! is ntfs...
[19:16] <ign0ramus> Phibes, anything windows would be ntfs (as long as its win2k or newer)
[19:17] <Phibes> yeah, but its just a folder with music (146!)
[19:17] <Phibes> ill check it after the restart in a moment
[19:17] <ign0ramus> Phibes, well it is an entire partition (that is ntfs)
[19:19] <Phibes> i think ive got it now :)
[19:19] <Phibes> http://pastebin.com/m510ec53e
[19:19] <ign0ramus> Phibes, if you run "sudo fdisk -l" what is it's entry under "system"?
[19:20] <ign0ramus> Phibes, yeah, that should work :)
[19:20] <ign0ramus> Phibes, keep in mind what i said about permissions - that will make these partitions globally readable and writable...
[19:20] <Phibes> s
[19:20] <Phibes>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[19:20] <Phibes> /dev/sda1               1       19457   156288321   83  Linux
[19:21] <Phibes>  /dev/sdb7               1        1913    15366078   83  Linux
[19:21] <Phibes> sdb7 is the linux where linux is running on
[19:21] <ign0ramus> Phibes, so are you ok with the settings you have now?
[19:22] <Phibes> i think so, ill restart now
[19:22] <ign0ramus> Phibes, k... see you in  a few
[19:22] <thehardman> hi.
[19:23] <thehardman> I am running kubuntu 9.04 on a machine with 2 video outs. when it boots up it sees both monitors but I can figure out how to extended my desktop over to the other monitor instead of mirroring one monitor on another.
[19:23] <thehardman> cant figure out that is.
[19:24] <thehardman> do I have to edit the xorg.conf or is there a way to do it in the gui?
[19:24] <ign0ramus> dwidmann, you there?
[19:25] <Phibes> im sorry ign0ramus... but it doesnt work
[19:25] <ign0ramus> Phibes, they are not automatically mounted?
[19:25] <Phibes> well, as said before, they are not in the places list anymore, and rhythmbox doesnt play the songs so no... i dont think so
[19:27] <ign0ramus> Phibes, you can change your mount point to /media where you have /mnt... that may put them back in Places (i don't use gnome...)
[19:27] <ign0ramus> Phibes, do you want to try that?
[19:27] <Phibes> yeah... ill try :()
[19:27] <Phibes> :)
[19:28] <Phibes> restart!
[19:31] <ign0ramus> Phibes, oh, did you "sudo mkdir /media/ntfs" first?
[19:31] <Phibes> im back! and we are in iraq! with "You are not privileged to mount the volume 'Muziek'"
[19:32] <ign0ramus> Phibes, my fault for forgetting!
[19:32] <kaddi> hi, my pc just froze (yet again -.-), the image is stuck, but the sound keeps playing... how can i get it unstuck?
[19:32] <Phibes> well, i changed it under /media/Muziek now
[19:34] <ign0ramus> Phibes, you have to create a directory before you can mount to it... do all your mountpoints exist?  If not, you must create them with "mkdir"
[19:34] <Phibes> i ahev created mountpoits now /media/Muziek (/146! and /Games too)
[19:34] <Dragnslcr> kaddi- if KDE is completely frozen, ctrl-alt-backspace will force X to restart (you'll lose anything you haven't saved)
[19:34] <ign0ramus> Phibes, ok, can i see your fstab now?
[19:35] <Phibes> okay
[19:35] <Phibes> http://pastebin.com/m7385f13e
[19:36] <ign0ramus> Phibes, ok, provided you created the mountpoints correctly as you said, this should be good
[19:36] <Phibes> okay, then its of to another restart :)
[19:37] <ezu5t> what is the kubuntu recommended program to use instead of "xnetcardconfig" ?
[19:38] <ezu5t> for setting the IP address  of an eth0
[19:38] <ezu5t> it seems xnetcardconfig doesn't work
[19:38] <ezu5t> my hostname is lost, and and I have to ifdown ifup eth0 each time I reboot
[19:39] <ign0ramus> Phibes, if you run the command "mount", it will list all currently mounted devices ... your partitions should now be listed in there.
[19:39] <Phibes> yeah, 146! is the only one missing
[19:40] <ign0ramus> Phibes, cool! i was gonna mention that particular one...
[19:40] <Phibes> http://pastebin.com/m54e1a959
[19:40] <ign0ramus> Phibes, i'm not sure if the system correctly parses the "!" in the device name... not sure, but that may be why
[19:40] <Phibes> so i should call it 146 :P  and be done with it
[19:41] <ign0ramus> Phibes, sounds good.  but yeah, your other partitions are successfully mounted at startup now
[19:41] <amorphous_> nice kde4.  thanks :) --- anyone know what the best way to remove gnome from my system is? it wont allow me to remove gnome-desktop-environment... is there another?
[19:41] <ign0ramus> Phibes, if you still have issues with rhythmbox, it's not because the partition isn't mounted ;)
[19:41] <Phibes> well, rhythmbox doesnt pick up 146! NOW
[19:41] <Phibes> oops, capslock
[19:41] <ign0ramus> Phibes, do your partitions show up in Places again?
[19:42] <Phibes> You are not privileged to mount the volume '146!'.
[19:42] <ign0ramus> Phibes, try getting rid of that "!" first, and see if that helps
[19:42] <Phibes> hm, okay
[19:43] <Phibes> ah!
[19:43] <Phibes> 146! is ext2
[19:43] <ign0ramus> haha!
[19:43] <ign0ramus> Phibes, yeah, ntfs-3g isn't going to help you mount an ext FS partition! :)
[19:43]  * Phibes is ashamed
[19:44] <ign0ramus> Phibes, it's cool... i made quite a few mistakes along the way, too
[19:44] <Phibes> well... can ext2 be mounted like the ntfs?
[19:44] <Phibes> with a quick line in fstab?
[19:45] <ign0ramus> Phibes, i'm checking that now... (i've never actually had to do that with only one ext partition...)
[19:47] <ign0ramus> Phibes, "/dev/hda5 /media ext3 defaults 0 0" seems to be the proper syntax (of course, modify it for your setup)
[19:47] <corigo> how do I tell if I'm on 4.2.2. or 4.3?
[19:47] <ign0ramus> corigo, go to Help > About KDE in any kde app
[19:48] <ign0ramus> corigo, i think you would have to have added some separate repos to be running 4.3 (is that even out yet?)
[19:48] <corigo> beta 1
[19:48] <Phibes> okay :)
[19:48] <ign0ramus> corigo, ok, cool.. didn't know that.  I'm using 4.2.3, and it is pretty solid (compared to earlier iterations)
[19:49] <Phibes> so instead of ntfs-3g its ext3?
[19:49] <ign0ramus> Phibes, here's a good one for reference: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountlinux
[19:49] <Phibes> not ext2?
[19:49] <ign0ramus> Phibes, wait, are you sure it's ext2?  that's fairly old...
[19:49] <Phibes> i am really really sure :D
[19:49] <ign0ramus> Phibes, you can tell for sure if you run 'gparted'
[19:49] <Phibes> i ran gparted
[19:49] <ign0ramus> Phibes, ok, then yes, use 'ext2'
[19:50] <ign0ramus> Phibes, i was just giving syntax - you make it work for your setup ;)
[19:50] <Phibes> jep :)
[19:50] <Phibes> done!
[19:50] <Phibes> restarting in...
[19:51] <nightdrever> how do i get zimbra to start up automatically?
[19:52] <ign0ramus> nightdrever, if it's an executable file, just put a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart and it will run on startup
[19:53] <Phibes> ign0ramus thx allot! it all works now perfectly :)
[19:53] <ign0ramus> Phibes, sweet!
[19:53] <Phibes> rhythmbox started playing right away :)
[19:54] <Phibes> and the partitions show on my desktop aswell
[19:54] <ign0ramus> Phibes, so now everything is as you wanted it?
[19:54] <Phibes> yeah!
[19:54]  * ign0ramus goes to take a nap now :)
[19:54] <Phibes> hah, look out for the taliban!
[19:55] <ign0ramus> Phibes, we're out of there now!
[19:55] <Phibes> ooh, good :)
[19:55] <Phibes> well, im gonna do the dishes :) bye!
[19:55] <ign0ramus> Phibes, cheers!
[19:56] <desu> I recently upgraded to KDE 4.2.3 in Jaunty, and all the plasma icons have been replaced by the "?" icon. Also, plasma seems to get weirded up after a while... ie. loses all icons and text... Any idea why this may be happening?
[19:56] <desu> all icons and text includes the taskbar and system tray text
[19:56] <ign0ramus> desu, could it be your icons?  try changing them and see if it makes a difference
[19:57] <desu> I haven't set any custom icons... Even the icon theme is the default one...
[20:04] <desu> i'm talking about http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/6746/plasma2.png versus http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9662/plasma1.png
[20:06] <OmnipotentEntity> hello, I'm having a peck of difficulty connecting an Atheros card to a secured wireless network using both the ath_pci driver and the free ath5k driver, any suggestions?  Using 9.04
[20:08] <OmnipotentEntity> forgot to mention, 64-bit OS
[20:09] <nikolas_> hi guys, after installing windows i had to reinstall grub.did it according to the instructions in ubuntu forum (through live cd) but now i cannot enter windows can anybody help?
[20:10] <blackflag> !sceen
[20:10] <blackflag> !screen
[20:14] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, is windows listed in your grub menu?
[20:14] <nikolas_> yes, but doesnlt work
[20:14] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, what doesn't work?  it just goes to a black screen or what?
[20:15] <nikolas_> i have tried several things in menu.lst, now gives me error 13
[20:15] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, so you select windows, press enter, and it gives you grub error 13?  is that correct?
[20:15] <nikolas_> yes
[20:16] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, ok... lemme look around
[20:18] <edge> I want a specific version of Rails installed on my system, how do i first determine what version of a package is installed, and if it is wrong how do I go about selecting a exact version package?
[20:18] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, can you pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[20:19] <nikolas_> ign0ramus: gimme a sec
[20:21] <nikolas_> ign0ramus: pastebin.com/m108dade4
[20:21] <luciano> xxxxxxxxx
[20:22] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, are you using the computer with the problem right now?
[20:22] <nikolas_> i m writing from a different computer
[20:22] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, ok good
[20:22] <luciano> sim
[20:22] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, go back into the grub menu, and highlight the windows entry
[20:22] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, then press "e"
[20:23] <nikolas_> u mean reboot?
[20:23] <luciano> e
[20:23] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, yes
[20:23] <nikolas_> ign0ramus: ok,1sec!
[20:24] <nikolas_> ok did it!
[20:24] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, ok, do you see where it says "(hd0,0)"?
[20:24] <nikolas_> yes
[20:24] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, change that to say "(hd0,1)"
[20:24] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, and then press "b"
[20:25] <nikolas_> ok!it says "starting up...."
[20:25] <nikolas_> but takes long....
[20:26] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, so that works?
[20:26] <nikolas_> seams to be stuck there!
[20:26] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, hmm... give it a little bit.. shouldn't be taking too long
[20:26] <nikolas_> it still says starting uo......
[20:27] <nikolas_> it's stuck there
[20:27] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, ok, restart, and try it again.  it shouldn't get stuck there.
[20:27] <kaddi> hi, my pc froze (yet again -.-), the image is stuck, but the sound keeps playing...any idea what could be causing this? I think it might be heat problem...
[20:28] <nikolas_> getting error 13 again
[20:28] <mark___> kaddi...seems like a memory problem to me
[20:29] <nikolas_> but wait!i pressed 'e' again to edit the selection and it is still on hd0,0 and not hd0,1
[20:29] <nikolas_> :S
[20:29] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, yes, the "e" edit you made won't stick until you change your grub.conf
[20:29] <kaddi> mark___ defectif Memory or not enough (I have 4 Gb)
[20:29] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, but we're not there yet
[20:30] <nikolas_> so i edit it again and put "(hd0,1)" again right?
[20:30] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, yup
[20:30] <mark___> kaddi.... could be a problem with your graphics card then
[20:30] <nikolas_> nothing happens, still stuck there
[20:31] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, i just noticed what you titled windows - hilarious!
[20:31] <nikolas_> :)
[20:31] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, ok you wanna give the livecd grub fix another shot?
[20:31] <kaddi> mark___ the same pc runs fine with vista, so I think it's probably either a compability or a software problem
[20:31] <nikolas_> ...but i was right!after installing it it doesnt work
[20:31] <nikolas_> :D
[20:31] <nikolas_> i have reinstalled grub countless times!
[20:32] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, this shouldn't be right, but what if you changed it to (hd0,2) ?
[20:32] <nikolas_> let me try
[20:33] <nikolas_> it is booting now...
[20:33] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, windows is starting?
[20:33] <nikolas_> wtf?? yes it starts!
[20:33] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, excellent!
[20:33] <mark___> kaddi.... what distro are you using and what were you doing just before the freeze?
[20:33] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, now we have to change your grub entry
[20:33] <nikolas_> so i must replace hd(0,0) with hd(0,2) in the menu.lst right?
[20:33] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, when you can, boot back into kubuntu
[20:34] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, yup, that's it!
[20:34] <nikolas_> but why that happened?!?!?
[20:34] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, also, you may want to get rid of one junk line in there too... "title root"... that's not a valid entry
[20:34] <kaddi> mark___ its jaunty with kde 4.2.3 ... It's been freezing a couple of days since yesterday afternoon... the only "special" thing I recall doing before was actually a reboot
[20:34] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, could be your fstab is incorrect (has happened to me before)
[20:35] <kaddi> mark___ programs that would be running where a combinatino of konversation, kopete, firefox, thunderbird, vlc and/or amarok
[20:35] <nikolas_> shouldn't i correct fstab instead??
[20:35] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, well, when you can, pastebin it and i'll take a look
[20:35] <nikolas_> ok, i m booting on my desktop, gimme a sec!
[20:36] <kaddi> mark___ the update on kde 4.2.3 is about 2 weeks old, the upgrade on jaunty 3-4 weeks. so that is nothing recent
[20:37] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, actually leave the "root" entry in your grub file.
[20:37] <mark___> kaddi...so you are running Amarok2 i assume?
[20:38] <kaddi> mark___ yes, no choice there...
[20:38] <Assurbanipal> ign0ramus: where is fstab to pastebin it?? it is nikolas_again
[20:38] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, /etc/fstab
[20:38] <mark___> i have also ran into some problems with Amarok 2 freezing up
[20:39] <mark___> hmm. ok
[20:39] <Assurbanipal> ign0ramus:  http://pastebin.com/m745ce635
[20:40] <kaddi> i'm running a memtest right now, just to be safe... looks good so far
[20:40] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, ok, it is not listed in fstab, which isn't bad, but then that's not the culprit
[20:40] <kaddi> but freezing also occurred while amarok wasn't running. IIRC
[20:40] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, do "sudo grub"
[20:40] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, then "find /boot/grub/stage1
[20:41] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, what does it say?
[20:42] <Assurbanipal> grub> find /boot/grub/stage1
[20:42] <Assurbanipal>  (hd0,1)
[20:42] <Assurbanipal>  (hd1,0)
[20:42] <Assurbanipal> grub>
[20:42] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, hmm... not sure why it gives you that.
[20:43] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, just type 'quit' to get out of there, and fix your grub file
[20:43] <Eismann> 2 linux installations?
[20:43] <Assurbanipal> it must be finding an old installation on my other drive
[20:43] <Assurbanipal> but i donnot boot from that hardrive
[20:43] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, right, but it's weird that (hd0,2) is what actually works
[20:44] <Assurbanipal> so what should i do to permenently fix that:?
[20:44] <Assurbanipal> shouldn't i fix fstub first?
[20:44] <desu> I upgraded to KDE 4.2.3 in Jaunty. Is there any way I can roll back to the default version of KDE in Jaunty?
[20:44] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, give me a minute
[20:45] <kaddi> marc___ I'll give it a shot without amarok.. if it really works that would be a great thing. :)
[20:46] <mark___> kaddi...does the same freezing occur when you run the same applications when running the gnome desktop?
[20:47] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, i'm not entirely sure how that happened
[20:47] <kaddi_> debugging would be so much easier if I actually had 1 machine that was working AND had a reliable internetconnection -.-
[20:47] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, i can tell you fixing your grub file will allow you to boot without problems, though
[20:48] <Assurbanipal> and what about fstab?
[20:48] <kaddi_> I haven't installed the gnome desktop, marc___, but I'll have a look :) the package is called ubuntu-desktop, isn't it?
[20:48] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, your windows partition isn't listed in your fstab
[20:48] <mark___> yes it is
[20:48] <Assurbanipal> shouldn't it be added?
[20:48] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, you can add it if you want it to be automatically mounted at startup
[20:49] <Assurbanipal> i don;t know, i just want it to be right!!to be working without causing any problems in the future!
[20:49] <mark___> kaddi...you should have a choice of which seesion you want to use at the login screen is gnome not there?
[20:50] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, i had a similar issue that gave me incorrect info when reinstalling grub, but after I edited the grub
[20:50] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, ... i didn't have any other problems.  although i never did find out why it spit out the wrong (hdx,x)
[20:50] <kaddi_> mark___ i haven't installed the gnome-desktop manager, just downloading it now. I don't think both are installed by default, or are they?
[20:50] <Assurbanipal> so what should i do?
[20:51] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, "kdesudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[20:52] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, change line 110 to " root (hd0,2) "
[20:52] <mark___> kaddi...i suggest you try and see if the freezing occurs in gnome once you get it up and running and go from there
[20:52] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, then save and exit.  restart and try to start windows.  i am confident that this will work fine
[20:53] <Assurbanipal> ok, i did it it should work now.hope won;t have aby problems in the future...tnx mate!
[20:53] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, i still cannot say for sure why the "find stage1" command gives something different, but with this, you will be fine
[20:53] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, np
[20:53] <Assurbanipal> i think because it finds the file on my secondary hard drive that had an old kubuntu installation
[20:54] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, that could be... i didn't know you had 2 HDDs
[20:54] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, not at first, anyway
[20:54] <sheytan_> Hi everyone. Does anybody know if strigi indexing will work in Kubuntu with kde 4.3? now i have the better sesame backend installed, but even when i change in the config file redland to sesame2 it's still getting back to redland :/
[20:54] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, the wiki should address that situation, which is very common :/
[20:54] <Assurbanipal> ok will reboot now to see what happens
[20:54] <Assurbanipal> tnx mate
[20:58] <kaddi_> ok, i'll switch to gnome and see what happens now :)
[20:58] <kaddi_> bbiab
[21:02] <jeremy__> hi
[21:04] <jeremy__> ?
[21:05] <robin0800> !ask |jeremy
[21:07] <jeremy__> i'm bored anyone wanna chat ?
[21:07] <kaddi-backup> !ot
[21:09] <buster__> good evening to all
[21:11] <robin0800> !ask |buster__:
[21:23] <kaddi__> mark___ gnome indeed seems to be running stable for now, i'll test it a bit longer, if it doesn't crash, I'll at least know on who to blame it :D thanks :)
[21:23] <shock_day13> hey everyone
[21:23] <kaddi__> i don't know if it's going to crash and how long this might take..;)
[21:24] <kaddi__> !hi|shock_day13
[21:24] <shock_day13> hey kaddi
[21:24] <shock_day13> wasup
[21:32] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Is connecting to a wireless network with a static IP supported yet?
[21:34] <desu> Can I somehow force APT to download and install a previous version of a package, which still exists as the latest in another repository?
[21:35] <Kuark> heya!
[21:35] <dROg> desu: yes but remove the existing package
[21:35] <Kuark> whats the best c++ compiler?
[21:35] <desu> dROg: any way i can do it _without_ removign the current package?
[21:35] <desu> like, how an upgrade is done?
[21:36] <desu> just, downgrade?
[21:36] <dROg> ow
[21:36] <desu> Kuark: depends... though g++ should suffice for most purposes
[21:36] <dROg> dunno if that's possible
[21:45] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Is connecting to a wireless network with a static IP supported yet?
[21:48] <CoJaBo-Aztec> ...guess not.
[21:50] <GAZRA> Can someone please tell me how to save all instlled packages of an ubuntu system and then installed them in another computer authomatically?
[21:51] <Eismann> the list of packages?
[21:52] <rafa_> algún usario que hable español?
[21:52] <Eismann> existe #kubuntu-es y  #ubuntu-es
[21:52] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Does anyone know what version of Kubuntu will finnally support static IPs?
[21:53] <GAZRA> CoJaBo-Aztec: What do you mean? All linux distros support static IPs!
[21:53] <Eismann> maybe it means networkmanager
[21:54] <CoJaBo-Aztec> GAZRA: The network manager has not supported it in any versions 8.04 to 9.04.
[21:54] <CoJaBo-Aztec> The functionality is visually there, but the GUI controls do not actually work.
[21:54] <Eismann> CoJaBo-Aztec: well, but you can use other ways to set static IP
[21:55] <CoJaBo-Aztec> I feel like I'm in one of those cartoons where the tunnel is just painted on!!!
[21:55] <owen> hey
[21:55] <Eismann> networkmanager does not support static IP. kubuntu does
[21:56] <CoJaBo-Aztec> How?
[21:56] <CoJaBo-Aztec> And why show controls that do nothing?
[21:56] <Eismann> you can configure it manually with ifconfig, or edit /etc/network/interfaces
[21:57] <diego_> mñlmñl
[21:57] <Eismann> CoJaBo-Aztec: I dont know, I dont use it
[21:57] <CoJaBo-Aztec> How do I do wifi with that tho?
[21:57] <diego_> mmmm nose
[21:57] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Am I the only one whos ever used static IPs or something?
[21:58] <Eismann> CoJaBo-Aztec: you can try wicd, its similar to networkmanager
[22:00] <robin0800_> CoJaBo-Aztec: or downgrade to knetworkmanager
[22:01] <Eismann> GAZRA: do you need to get the list of packages to install them in another computer?
[22:05] <CoJaBo-Aztec> robin0800_: knetworkmanager didn't support it any better.
[22:06] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Eismann: What is wicd, and is it actually any better?
[22:07] <diego_> hay algun gestor de descargas para mega o rapid??
[22:07] <Eismann> CoJaBo-Aztec: its similar to networkmanager
[22:07] <Eismann> CoJaBo-Aztec: it has more options and its supposed to work better, but I dont use it
[22:08] <Eismann> cant say mor
[22:08] <Eismann> more
[22:08] <diego_> hay algun gestor de descargas para mega o rapid??
[22:08] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Network manager has tons of options, the problem is there "just painted on".
[22:08] <Eismann> just try it
[22:08] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Does it support WPA?
[22:10] <Eismann> "Many encryption schemes, some of which include WEP/WPA/WPA2"
[22:10] <Eismann> http://wicd.sourceforge.net
[22:11] <Eismann> the only thing I miss is that doesnt support if-up and ip-up scripts
[22:11] <Eismann> at least when I tried it
[22:12] <r3c0n> hi
[22:13] <r3c0n> anyone know how to revert to an older version of libgtkspell-dev? I recently updated through the package manager but it seems like its causing me problem as can be seen from the following error
[22:13] <r3c0n> symbol lookup error: /usr/local/lib/gyachi/plugins/libgyachigtkspell.so: undefined symbol: gtkspell_get_from_text_view
[22:13] <diego_> al usar wine en un programa me dice que necesita java 1.5 como ago para que funcione este programa?
[22:13] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Eismann: Ok, I'll try it...
[22:16] <diego_> al usar wine en un programa me dice que necesita java 1.5 como ago para que funcione este programa?
[22:16] <diego_> al usar wine en un programa me dice que necesita java 1.5 como ago para que funcione este programa?
[22:34] <datone> 101
[22:35] <_Whipper> 102
[22:37] <slow-motion> n8
[22:39] <justin1234> how do i change video drivers? the one that came in jaunty isnt working as well as the old one
[22:46] <olskolirc> someone say my name please
[22:46] <Ursinha> olskolirc,
[22:47] <_Whipper> olskolirc: why?
[22:47] <olskolirc> checking my colors
[22:52] <Weedy> guyz
[22:53] <Weedy> any reason why plasma is using 100% cpu
[22:56] <sakirious> Hrm...KDE 4.2 seems to keep freezing. I can still do thing inside Windows and manipulate them but the kicker bar and desktop do not respond.
[23:02] <andrea2030> i'm looking for an http proxy program, something like proxyway, get around the firewalls used at the university, library, coffee shop, etc..
[23:03] <epimeth> Qflash
[23:03] <epimeth> !flash
[23:05] <GAZRA> But flash is very unstable on 64 bit
[23:05] <epimeth> hmmm... who has an x64?  should I use gnash maybe?
[23:05] <epimeth> oh lol...
[23:05] <epimeth> GAZRA: should I try gnash or swfdec?
[23:07] <GAZRA> epimeth: I really don't know what to tell you, I'm going to install a 32 bit kubuntu, because I'm sick and tired of having problems with the 64 bit version
[23:07] <epimeth> heh
[23:07] <epimeth> speaking of which... I don't even know what I have installed!
[23:07] <epimeth> lol
[23:07] <GAZRA> epimeth: hahaha
[23:07] <epimeth> whats the command?  rname or something?
[23:07] <GAZRA> epimeth: then why are yu asking?
[23:08] <GAZRA> epimeth: a lot of thing still dont work on 64 bit
[23:08] <epimeth> because I have a 64 bit processor and kind of assumed I installed the 64bit OS
[23:08] <GAZRA> epimeth: no
[23:08] <epimeth> so how do I find out which I am using?
[23:08] <epimeth> and what other problems are there with 64bit?
[23:08] <GAZRA> epimeth: hahaha, well, did you installed it from a CD?  You need to extract the file provided, and place it in the folder ~/.mozilla/plugins folder for each user who wants to use flash. Be aware that this is pre-release software and there could be bugs.
[23:13] <GAZRA> epimeth: do you mean the flash alfa? you can't since it is not open source, that's adobes alfa
[23:14] <epimeth_> whaddaya mean, "Can't" ?  "Shouldn't" maybe
[23:15] <epimeth_> damn the GPL to heck
[23:15] <epimeth_> I hope Phil and his pitchspork cause them much pain
[23:16] <GAZRA> epimeth: well you could sent it somewhere to adobe, but I don't think they are gathering the feedback
[23:17] <GAZRA> I'm going to install Kubuntu 32 bit now! I'm just tired of the 64 bit
[23:30] <darkenigma2652> I'm gonna install install Kubuntu on my (older) family desktop, can someone tell me minimum RAM needed for Kubuntu? (since it's KDE)
[23:31] <Weedy> 300ish?
[23:31] <darkenigma2652> k, I should be fine then
[23:32] <darkenigma2652> So now I'm only worried about my sound card, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem
[23:34] <andrea2030> i would go with ubuntu with an older pc
[23:35] <BluesKaj> 512 would more comfy for kde , darkenigma2652
[23:35] <darkenigma2652> Yeah, is has 512
[23:35] <darkenigma2652> it*
[23:35] <BluesKaj> fine
[23:35] <darkenigma2652> andrea2030, I was thinking Xubuntu
[23:36] <darkenigma2652> But my dad and bro are very used to Windows, which is why I wanted KDE
[23:37] <Weedy> < andrea2030> i would go with ubuntu with an older pc <-- your kidding right?
[23:37] <carpii> id say gnome is more similar to windows than kde personally
[23:37] <Weedy> i can't get a desktop on ubuntu with less then 375mb of ram
[23:37] <Weedy> i can have 4.2 and a bunch of widgets for 250
[23:38] <darkenigma2652> Can you believe I tried to install it on an old laptop with 280 MB of RAM? lol
[23:38] <Weedy> as long as you had swap it might work
[23:39] <darkenigma2652> Not sure what it had, but I'm on it atm with de-branded Mint 6 XFCE CE
[23:39] <andrea2030> i would of thought ubuntu would be less memory hungry then kde, i would just throw the old pc out.
[23:39] <darkenigma2652> lol
[23:39] <Weedy> gnome is bloat city
[23:40] <darkenigma2652> I LOVE old tech, I would never throw a PC out
[23:40] <darkenigma2652> Unless I dropped it down stairs...
[23:40] <Weedy> and as much as i hate how kdelibs/qt are huge
[23:40] <darkenigma2652> lol
[23:40] <andrea2030> pcs arent expensive these days, there not $3000 anymore
[23:40] <Weedy> at least they got to the point where they can do EVERYTHING
[23:40] <Weedy> and you don't need anything else
[23:40] <Weedy> so you only need 2 libs to get a desktop
[23:41] <darkenigma2652> Does anyone here know if a SoundMAX Integrated Digital Audio sound card works fine with alsa? Or will it be a pain?
[23:43] <darkenigma2652> ... Do I hear a cricket?
[23:43] <andrea2030> have you tried google
[23:44] <darkenigma2652> Yes
[23:44] <darkenigma2652> Only get results for problems with no replies lol
[23:45] <nightdrever> how do i join a ubuntu room?
[23:45] <darkenigma2652> Well, how did you join this room? lol
[23:46] <darkenigma2652> ... I think I just confused myself
[23:46] <andrea2030> ./join ubuntu  << in status window without period at the front
[23:46] <andrea2030> status window is the first window
[23:49] <darkenigma2652> grrr... Looks like there's three different modules alsa uses for SoundMAX
[23:50] <darkenigma2652> I HATE it when there are multiple modules for sound cards -_-
[23:51] <andrea2030> which one is the most stable
[23:51] <andrea2030> why not search for your "motherboard model ubuntu" in google
[23:51] <nico_> hola
[23:52] <darkenigma2652> The default module is the Intel one, which is the most common and is the most likely to work
[23:52] <darkenigma2652> But there's also an ALi one and some other module I should look up just in case
[23:53] <darkenigma2652> I have no idea what motherboard I have XD
[23:53] <andrea2030> why not try all 3
[23:53] <andrea2030> test which one works the best
[23:53] <andrea2030> have you ever opened up a computer?
[23:53] <andrea2030> model number is on the motherboard
[23:54] <darkenigma2652> I never needed to, I've only opened my old laptop to replace a CMOS battery
[23:55] <darkenigma2652> Though I will need to when I get my grandma's (LOL) computer which is running Vista on only 503 MB of RAM
[23:55] <darkenigma2652> LOL to the second part aswell
[23:56] <sere> can someone tell me how to test and see if my tvout is working as a seperate screen...nvidia-settings sees it and it turns black when i start x so i think its working just not sure how to test it
[23:59] <darkenigma2652> Ok, maybe only two modules for it. All I can find are intel8x0 and via82xx