[12:03] <trappist> so I've heard
[12:03] <trappist> I trust they'll get it worked out
[12:03] <Psi-Jack> Gentoo, never had this problem with me. And I installed hordes of fonts.
[12:03] <ryanakca> how do you set the default resolution in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[12:04] <dcwckd> what source do I need for amarok 1.4?
[12:05] <Psi-Jack> trappist: So have you any idea how to at least get GTK apps, like adept, not to use the horrid fonts? :)
[12:06] <luka74> adept is Qt app
[12:06] <dcwckd> ?
[12:07] <francolq> hello, does anybody knows which package has the latex packages verbatiminput and moreverb? (kubuntu breezy)
[12:07] <Psi-Jack> luka74: I just noticed that. I thought it was a GTK app, then I started looking at the ldd output of it, and realized, it uses kdelibs.
[12:10] <SirKillalot> how's the kubuntu screensaver daemon called?
[12:10] <Psi-Jack> SirKillalot: Are you having issues with screensavers not working?
[12:11] <Psi-Jack> They test out, fine, but don't actually work when idle? :)
[12:13] <SirKillalot> right!!
[12:13] <SirKillalot> Psi-Jack, mind reader?
[12:13] <Psi-Jack> SirKillalot: Yeah. And let me guess, you are using KDE 3.5.0 or 3.5.1?
[12:14] <kkathman> my screensavers work fine in 3.5.1
[12:14] <SirKillalot> yeah! go on! don't stop
[12:14] <kkathman> well most of em :)
[12:14] <Psi-Jack> Swarm, and several other kscreensavers are in effect, broken at this time. It's a KDE-specific bug.
[12:14] <kkathman> yah
[12:14] <SirKillalot> whatever, I am using xscreensaver
[12:14] <SirKillalot> it has more beautiful screensavers
[12:14] <SirKillalot> :)
[12:14] <Psi-Jack> Bleh.
[12:14] <Psi-Jack> I betcha kscreensaver's xscreensaver interface is broken, too.
[12:15] <SirKillalot> dunno, I'm using xscreensaver-demo
[12:15] <SirKillalot> but no, the interface in kcontrol is working
[12:15] <Psi-Jack> Oh?
[12:16] <Psi-Jack> Then... What's the problem?
[12:16] <SirKillalot> you aren't that good mind reader...
[12:16] <SirKillalot> it doesnt lock up my PC when idling
[12:16] <kkathman> Psi-Jack: well swarm isnt a KDE bug if it doesnt work
[12:17] <Psi-Jack> kkathman: kswarm.
[12:17] <kkathman> screen saver?
[12:17] <Psi-Jack> Yes.
[12:17] <kkathman> mine is fine
[12:17] <kkathman> works like a champ
[12:17] <Psi-Jack> kkathman: It's an open bug on kde bugs..
[12:17] <Psi-Jack> It tests fine. It just doesn't come up when idle.
[12:17] <kkathman> hmm.. well I DID just update my SUSE box so maybe its ok now
[12:19] <Psi-Jack> BRB
[12:19] <Psi-Jack> Gonna try restarting X again after running fc-cache
[12:19] <dcwckd> what source do I need for amarok 1.4? anyone? please?
[12:19] <kwewu14> is there any way to get kubuntu to show apps other than kde apps in the menu?
[12:19] <kwewu14> aside from adding them myself.
[12:20] <francolq> again: hello, does anybody knows which package has the latex packages verbatiminput and moreverb? (kubuntu breezy)
[12:21] <Psi-Jack> Grr..
[12:21] <Psi-Jack> Nope..
[12:23] <kwewu14> that's fine, i can't find out how to add another menu to my taskbar though.
[12:23] <kwewu14> that's all i really need.
[12:23] <jarlath> Is there any reason to install koffice when I have open office? Is it faster perhaps?
[12:24] <burnninator> When doing 'sudo apt-get update' i get
[12:24] <burnninator> W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org breezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[12:24] <burnninator> anyone know how to fix this?
[12:24] <mzelem> Anyone know what to do when every time you try to log in to KDE it just reboots, unless you log in to failsafe session? (already tried reconfiguring x)
[12:25] <dcwckd> burn
[12:25] <dcwckd> you need to authorize your PGP keyys
[12:25] <dcwckd> I forget the commands
[12:25] <dcwckd> !PGP
[12:25] <ubotu> dcwckd: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:25] <kwewu14> jarlath: not really, i like openoffice better. kwrite and krita are nice, but you can install those seperately.
[12:26] <jarlath> kwewu14:Okay, thanks.
[12:26] <mnoir> burn - try google for 'public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088'
[12:26] <kwewu14> jarlath: you're welcome.
[12:26] <mnoir> go to the ubuntu forum and learn how to add pgp keys to your ring
[12:27] <mnoir> make sure you want to trust the source - in this case you prolly do :)
[12:29] <Psi-Jack> Alrighty then!
[12:30] <Psi-Jack> Blasted!
[12:30] <Psi-Jack> I was sure that would work. :/
[12:36] <miles> Is there an easy way to fix sound problems in Kubuntu?  I'm trying to get it to work on my IBM ThinkCentre M50.
[12:38] <ace> hi y'all, is there anything better then kuser  to manage users ?
[12:38] <ace> my main problem: adding a new user does not add them to the right groups !!!
[12:40] <Psi-Jack> ace: What do you mean?
[12:40] <Psi-Jack> FINALLY! I got Adept NOT to use horribly huge fonts! Muahahahaha
[12:42] <_ace> psi-jack: i mean what i says ;-)
[12:43] <_ace> how do you deal with that
[12:43] <_ace> add a new user
[12:43] <_ace> he or she can't do sh*t
[12:43] <_ace> you need to add him to cdrom, usb, and lots other stuff
[12:43] <_ace> and NOT to admin etc
[12:43] <_ace> should be a more easy way, not ?
[12:44] <supernix> guys I don't know what happened I was processing some pics on my website then poof all of a sudden everything became unstable and I had to reboot
[12:45] <Psi-Jack> _ace: That's what you do. You add them to those groups.  This is how Ubuntu is setup, and quite frankly, it's a good way to do things.
[12:46] <_ace> psi-jack: i am going to discuss this with you if you want but I can be a bit blunt, if you wnat say 'i hear you'...
[12:47] <Psi-Jack> I am reading you...
[12:47] <_ace> good enough ;_)
[12:47] <_ace> okay here 's the situation
[12:47] <_ace> i am an ubergeek
[12:48] <_ace> i don't use kuser, i use command line tools to do stuff.
[12:48] <_ace> you are a ubergeek too ? use cl aal the time ?
[12:48] <_ace> or you just a user
[12:48] <_ace> and use graphical interface all the time ????
[12:48] <Psi-Jack> All the time? No. But I am making my own adduser script to handle creating users into an LDAP ldbm.
[12:48] <_ace> u using ldbm for ldap ? gee! :-P
[12:49] <Psi-Jack> No, actually I'm using bdb./
[12:49] <_ace> phew... narrow escape...
[12:49] <_ace> so
[12:49] <_ace> we are ubergeeks, ja ?
[12:49] <Psi-Jack> ldap is considered an ldbm as SQL servers are considered rdbms.
[12:49] <_ace> sure
[12:50] <_ace> let's not go into that
[12:50] <Psi-Jack> But, yes. :)
[12:50] <_ace> but just to enlighten me, what is ldbm expanded (like rdbm is relational database management (system) ?
[12:50] <Psi-Jack> Lightweight
[12:51] <_ace> tought so. Well, there's ubergeeks and ubergeeks :-)
[12:51] <Psi-Jack> If you want, you can always hack the adduser script to automatically add them to various groups, or such.
[12:51] <_ace> but this is not about ldap being 'an ldbm' (gna gna)
[12:52] <Psi-Jack> Or, wait.
[12:52] <Psi-Jack> Nope.. adduser.conf doesn't have anything for that. :)
[12:54] <Psi-Jack> Or better!
[12:54] <Psi-Jack> Make a simple basic shell script to call adduser using -ingroup with your list of prefered defaults.
[12:54] <_ace> yeah
[12:54] <_ace> so youre suggesting 'better ways' then kuser
[12:55] <_ace> and that's good
[12:55] <_ace> since ten minutes ago you said:
[12:55] <Psi-Jack> I use kuser, myself, because it manages LDAP users with complete ease.
[12:55] <_ace> European Network for the Development of Experimental Economics and its Application
[12:55] <_ace>  to Research
[12:55] <_ace> oh sorry
[12:55] <Psi-Jack> I create a user in kuser, it gets injected into LDAP, bam, I login to any of the 20 networked computers on my LAN, and if the homedir doesn't exist, it gets created at login.
[12:56] <_ace> anyway
[12:56] <_ace> you said 'that's the ubuntu way'.
[12:56] <_ace> I like you ldap thing though
[12:56] <_ace> search google for 'qwido'
[12:56] <_ace> or 'qwido suares'
[12:57] <_ace> but i was just contemplating the idea of 'templates'
[12:57] <Psi-Jack> And why am I doing this? heh
[12:57] <_ace> like you could set up kuser in a way where you fill in some templates for ceratin kind of users
[12:57] <_ace> that's needed for your ldap too
[12:57] <_ace> you can inject 'any user' in ldap via kuser
[12:58] <_ace> but you could also inject 'webuser', 'ltsp-user', 'admin-user' etc ...
[12:58] <Psi-Jack> Kuser, unfortunately, isn't /that/ configurable. ;)
[12:58] <Psi-Jack> To setup specific templates for variating "types" of users.
[12:58] <_ace> no that's why i asked the q in the first place,. fellow ubergeek!
[12:58] <_ace> however your sarcasm eloped me
[12:58] <Psi-Jack> luma is a very nice python-Qt LDAP manager. ;)
[12:59] <_ace> there was just a research that 50% of the people misinterpret 80% of the written messegaes for 'sarcasm' , irony etc
[12:59] <Psi-Jack> It lets you create templates, as well. Sorta. ;)
[12:59] <_ace> and that's why flame wars start...
[12:59] <_ace> okay, sorta, how... ?
[12:59] <_ace> good for luma!
[01:00] <_ace> what i want is dead simple (that's not a hex code).
[01:00] <Psi-Jack> The custom templates still make you pick the proper DN to use, but that's about the only limiting factor in it's template constructs.
[01:00] <jerware> is the only difference between ubuntu and kubuntu is kde ?
[01:00] <_ace> one user is a 'user'
[01:00] <_ace> and one user is a 'admin user'
[01:00] <Psi-Jack> jerware: Yes. Basically.
[01:00] <jerware> ok
[01:00] <_ace> and when opening kuser, you can select those
[01:00] <_ace> and add name password etc
[01:00] <_ace> and done.
[01:00] <_ace> I'll make scripts for that *now*
[01:01] <_ace> but I justr wondered if there was more graphic way of doing it
[01:01] <Psi-Jack> The "admin" group basically gives users access to sudo.
[01:01] <_ace> but I guess I have to talk with the kuser developer :-))))
[01:01] <Psi-Jack> But, yeah. kuser doesn't have a nice templating facility, yet.
[01:01] <jerware> are all updates, programs, repositories, kernel patches/updates, etc., etc. interchangable between ubuntu and kubuntu?
[01:01] <Psi-Jack> jerware: Yes.
[01:02] <jerware> nice
[01:02] <jerware> thanx
[01:02] <_ace> jerware: yes
[01:02] <Psi-Jack> Kubuntu uses the ubuntu repositories, primarily.
[01:02] <jerware> is multimedia friendly with kde ?  it is definatly not in fedora,  what about watching dvd's ?
[01:03] <Psi-Jack> jerware: Fedora can do just what Kubuntu/Ubuntu can do. There's no difference of the available libraries required. :p
[01:03] <Psi-Jack> So, yes. Multimedia can be done in KDE, provided with the proper libraries which are available to it.
[01:03] <jerware> ok
[01:03] <Psi-Jack> DVD's would require libdvdcss, for example.
[01:04] <Psi-Jack> Due to .. copyright .. libdvdcss is not available through official Ubuntu repositories, however.
[01:04] <jerware> yea but i cant get dvd playing in fedora, via xine.  i have to provide mrls and stuff and it's a pain in the ass
[01:04] <Psi-Jack> jerware: That is ONLY because you do not have libdvdcss.
[01:04] <jerware> yes i do
[01:05] <jerware> according to yum
[01:05] <Psi-Jack> yum?
[01:05] <jerware> the equivilance of apt-get in ubuntu
[01:05] <Psi-Jack> Ah..
[01:05] <Psi-Jack> Well, I don't know then. Purhaps you're missing the decoder libraries, as well. ;)
[01:05] <jerware> my friend gave me a copy of kubuntu and im gonna give it a try this weekend
[01:06] <jerware> do these decoder libs come with ubuntu ?
[01:06] <jerware> i'll find the libdvdcss on my own
[01:06] <Psi-Jack> Good.. Glad to hear it. I despise everything that Red Hat Software is and will be, and Fedora Core is associated with RHS. :p
[01:07] <jerware> yes, and im not pleased by the fact that fedoras configuration programs are gui.  i prefer scripts to learn bash and scripting.
[01:07] <Psi-Jack> Come with? Yes.
[01:07] <B1zz> when i try to write info to my memory stick for my psp it give me an error saying that the card is full.  But I have i know i have enough space. Any ideas?
[01:08] <Psi-Jack> Memory Stick, B1zz ?
[01:08] <B1zz> yeah
[01:08] <Psi-Jack> As in Sony style memory stick?
[01:08] <B1zz> yes sir
[01:08] <jerware> ubunutu's configuration programs are scripts, correct?  or ran at the shell prompt?  i dont really like GUI's.  gui's to me deprive learning
[01:08] <B1zz> :-p
[01:08] <B1zz> heeh
[01:08] <Psi-Jack> Oh wait! I should have known! PSP == Sony, so.. Yeah..
[01:08] <B1zz> same person that hates FC :-p
[01:08] <ryanakca> how do you set the default resolution in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[01:09] <ryanakca> kedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf         and I do what to it?
[01:09] <Psi-Jack> ryanakca: Order the resolutions in xorg.conf
[01:10] <Psi-Jack> What's listed first, is "default".
[01:10] <Psi-Jack> I would TRUELY love to see 4023x3071 resolution. Damn!
[01:11] <ryanakca> lol
[01:11] <ryanakca> brb... restarting KDE
[01:12] <Psi-Jack> Bleh. Debian. Never will I again.
[01:12] <jerware> why is that?
[01:12] <Psi-Jack> They remain in the stone age.
[01:12] <jerware> it's bare bones isnt it?
[01:13] <Psi-Jack> ubuntu/kubuntu can install a server mode.
[01:13] <Psi-Jack> It will not even install X using that. :)
[01:13] <Psi-Jack> I've been migrating all my workstations and servers to kubuntu, from Gentoo.
[01:15] <mzelem> anyone know how to figure out why x keeps restarting? I can not make sense of the log file
[01:15] <Psi-Jack> mzelem: Restarting?
[01:16] <mzelem> yeah, I log in on the KDE login manager and as soon as I do it restarts and puts me back at the login screen
[01:16] <mzelem> unless I choose "failsafe session"
[01:16] <vge> been messing with .bash_profile? :)
[01:17] <mzelem> no, but I was messing with xorg.conf to try to get my 9 button intellimouse to work right, but I was sure I restored everything back to it's original condition
[01:17] <mzelem> and I also tried reconfiguring x
[01:19] <mzelem> so while I was trying to get all the mouse buttons to work, I installed imwheelmouse
[01:21] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
[01:22] <Psi-Jack> Why does DejaVu and Arial look seemingly identicle? :)
[01:22] <mzelem> I changed xorg.conf, and I was following information on a website on how to do it, that told me to make a file called /etc/X11/imwheelrc and another one in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/57x-something-or-other
[01:22] <mzelem> but I undid everything it said and still no go
[01:23] <ryanakca> for reconfiguring xorg... sudo dpkg-reconfigure <whatsthepackagename>
[01:23] <mzelem> oh, but now I see that when I uninstalled imwheel it didn't take out a script file it had put there........
[01:23] <mzelem> and now it works
[01:24] <B1zz> hmmmm vmware good
[01:24] <mzelem> but I still can't get this stupid intellimouse to work right!
[01:25] <ryanakca> "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg" doesn' work... I've tried
[01:26] <mzelem> I think it should be 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[01:27] <mzelem> I already had to do that today... I should know :-D
[01:31] <gurpy> hi. just pondering.  is ubuntu or kubuntu used in the corporate world?
[01:31] <gurpy> as a server.
[01:31] <bubblenut> Hi, can I use /etc/rc.local in kubuntu?
[01:32] <Hysty> gurpy: I would think there are a few people using it for server use
[01:32] <Psi-Jack> gurpy: Sure
[01:32] <Hysty> gurpy: there is a development team dedicated just to using ubuntu as a server
[01:33] <Steven_M> hi all
[01:33] <supertijano> Hi
[01:33] <Hysty> howdy Steven_M
[01:34] <ryanakca> how do you go back a page in dpkg-reconfigure?
[01:35] <Steven_M> Does anyone here use thunderbird 1.0.7 under breezy?
[01:35] <mzelem> ryanakca: I don't think you can, but you can always run it again when you're done
[01:35] <Psi-Jack> ryanakca: You don't.
[01:35] <mzelem> Steven_M: I do
[01:36] <Steven_M> mzelem: typing out my qustion for you
[01:36] <Hysty> Steven_M: yup
[01:37] <Hysty> bloody school work
[01:38] <Hysty> *sigh*
[01:38] <supertijano> hysty what do you have to do?
[01:39] <orion_fr_24> !skype
[01:39] <ubotu> I guess skype is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[01:39] <Hysty> currently studying Engineering Mathematics
[01:39] <supertijano> Ouch. Heh good luck with that
[01:39] <Hysty> i have a test that I need to do tomorrow
[01:39] <supertijano> Even better.
[01:40] <Hysty> the worst thing is the module notes dont correspond properly to the current edition of the text book so it is quite a challenge to cross reference
[01:40] <supertijano> Hmm. Did you try the internet? Sometimes that works?
[01:41] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm..
[01:41] <Hysty> Matrices, Quadratic Equations, Logarithmic and Exponential Equations and Trigonometric Functions yucky!
[01:41] <supertijano> I don't know, maybe Wikipedia can help.
[01:42] <Psi-Jack> I'm pondering the idea of not re-install Kubuntu, but .. Literally just copying the current install to my other, primary, HDD instead. Anyone have any ideas on how to do that correctly? There's no specific ACLs or xattr's involved on the filesystems, as of yet.
[01:42] <Hysty> better get back to my summarising
[01:42] <supertijano> Have fun. Heh
[01:42] <Red_Herring> Psi-Jack, its not that difficult
[01:42] <Red_Herring> i did it myself
[01:43] <Red_Herring> it used rsync
[01:43] <Red_Herring> but you can use cp
[01:43] <supertijano> Isn't installing copying from the cd?
[01:43] <Red_Herring> not realy
[01:43] <Psi-Jack> supertijano: Sorta.
[01:43] <Red_Herring> yes, but no
[01:43] <Psi-Jack> Hehe
[01:43] <Hysty> 7 hours before my kubuntu-desktop download and install is done
[01:43] <supertijano> Haha. It seems same to me.
[01:43] <Red_Herring> thats kinda like saying intsalling is like copying from the internet
[01:43] <Psi-Jack> I've already configured the crap out of this current system. And.. Quite frankly, don't care to lose it all, again. I've set it up pretty nicely so far.
[01:44] <Red_Herring> Psi-Jack, its possible to copy it
[01:44] <supertijano> I reinstall every month
[01:44] <Psi-Jack> supertijano: Every month? Why?
[01:44] <Psi-Jack> Linux != Windows man! Stop the madness!
[01:44] <supertijano> It's gotten into a bad habbit
[01:45] <supertijano> blah habit i meant
[01:45] <Psi-Jack> cp -dpR, or otherwise, cp -a, Red_Herring ?
[01:46] <tinin> mi recorder doesn't want to give me back the cd!
[01:46] <tinin> what can i do?
[01:46] <tinin> eject command doesn't work
[01:46] <supertijano> tinin: you mean the cd drive?
[01:46] <tinin> yes
[01:46] <Psi-Jack> tinin: Have you got the drive mounted, still?
[01:46] <supertijano> Isn't there a hole you can put a needle in that ejects it?
[01:47] <tinin> yes it is mounted
[01:47] <tinin> but i can't unmount it
[01:47] <tinin> says its still bussy
[01:47] <tinin> and
[01:47] <Psi-Jack> Why not? It still busy? Because that means you're still looking in it, or cd'd into it.
[01:48] <tinin> where is that hole?
[01:48] <tinin> my recorder doesnt work too well
[01:48] <tinin> i was recording the cd
[01:48] <Psi-Jack> tinin: Get out of the drive, and umount it. Something obviously is still using it. Forcing an eject will not remove it from the mount-tab, and of course, will not solve your problem.
[01:48] <supertijano> On the cd drdive
[01:48] <tinin> it failed
[01:49] <supertijano> It should be, atleast.
[01:49] <Psi-Jack> I thought you said it was mounted!
[01:49] <jerware> who says windows == linux ?
[01:49] <tinin> yes
[01:49] <tinin> i think it is still mounted
[01:49] <Psi-Jack> Which is it? Burning or Mounted?
[01:49] <tinin> i cant unmount it
[01:49] <Psi-Jack> Can't do both.
[01:49] <tinin> mounted
[01:50] <Psi-Jack> Then close all things that still have the cdrom drive mounted. THEN unmount it.
[01:50] <tinin> i entered in the cd to see what was there
[01:50] <tinin> it makes a lot of noise!!
[01:50] <tinin> recursive reading
[01:50] <Psi-Jack> if you have a console/Konsole open that's pwd is in the mount-point, cd out of the mount.
[01:50] <Psi-Jack> It's that simple. :p
[01:50] <tinin> sorry
[01:51] <tinin> not so simple for me
[01:51] <tinin> cause i dont understand you very well
[01:51] <tinin> spanish
[01:51] <tinin> pwd?
[01:51] <Steven_M> my e-mails kept getting marked as read after a single cliick on them. I don't want tb to mark my e-mails as read unitll I have fully opened them, but it continues to do so even after I have unchecked "marked unread after ... seconds"
[01:51] <Psi-Jack> pwd, is a command, stands for Parent Working Directory
[01:51] <tinin> so step by step, please
[01:51] <Steven_M> mzelem: that was to you
[01:51] <tinin> in konsole
[01:52] <tinin> what should i put
[01:52] <tinin> ?
[01:52] <mzelem> k... Let me take a look at the options real quick.......
[01:52] <Psi-Jack> tinin: cd; umount /mount/point
[01:52] <tinin> i put this: umount /media/cdrom1
[01:52] <Psi-Jack> Okay.
[01:53] <tinin> and it says my device is bussy
[01:53] <Psi-Jack> Do you have ANY konqueror windows open?
[01:53] <tinin> yes i'll close
[01:53] <Psi-Jack> I told you to do this a long time back. :p
[01:53] <tinin> sorry
[01:54] <tinin> now it's unmounted!
[01:54] <tinin> but eject doesn't work
[01:54] <tinin> it still has got my cd!
[01:54] <Psi-Jack> You still had a Konqueror open still inside the mount point. That's why it was still "busy".
[01:54] <Psi-Jack> Push the eject button?
[01:54] <tinin> no
[01:55] <mzelem> Steven_M, you still there?\
[01:55] <tinin> nothing :)
[01:55] <tinin> i'm gonna kill processes
[01:55] <tinin> to try
[01:55] <Psi-Jack> tinin: eject /dev/cdrom1
[01:55] <Steven_M> mzelem: my e-mails kept getting marked as read after a single cliick on them. I don't want tb to mark my e-mails as read unitll I have fully opened them, but it continues to do so even after I have unchecked "marked unread after ... seconds"
[01:56] <tinin> nothing
[01:56] <tinin> i've got a problem
[01:56] <tinin> XD
[01:56] <Psi-Jack> It's unmounted, correct?
[01:56] <tinin> yes
[01:56] <supertijano> Maybe it's the cd drive?
[01:56] <tinin> it says so
[01:56] <Psi-Jack> Now you may forcefully eject it.
[01:56] <supertijano> That's the problem I mean.
[01:56] <mzelem> Steven_M: I would say the best way to fix that problem would be to check it and then put a big number of seconds
[01:57] <Psi-Jack> Using the needle, or paperclip, into the eject hole.
[01:57] <tinin> yes
[01:57] <mzelem> that way if you click on it, it won't set it as read unless you leave it on that message for a while
[01:57] <tinin> i'll try so
[01:57] <tinin> i didn't know about that
[01:57] <supertijano> I learned that trick on the internet because my laptop's eject button is broken. :/
[01:58] <Psi-Jack> tinin: You just don't want to force an eject while it's still mounted. :)
[01:59] <Steven_M> mzelem: do you have that problem though?
[01:59] <tinin> hey men, how should that hole look like??
[01:59] <tinin> very little'
[01:59] <supertijano> Yeah
[01:59] <tinin> in the center
[01:59] <mzelem> yeah, but it's supposed to do that
[01:59] <tinin> ?
[01:59] <Psi-Jack> tinin: And for your knowledge, when a cdrom drive is mounted, it LOCKS the try from being ejected until unmounted. This is normal.
[01:59] <supertijano> Probably.
[01:59] <damnhi1> Do I overwrite my old kernel image if I do cd /usr/src/linux && make bzImage install modules modules_install ?
[01:59] <Psi-Jack> tinin: It's the only hole on the drive. :p
[02:00] <JasonF> Is it possible to use a dual-port NVIDIA card to output console to one monitor and X to another
[02:00] <tinin> it still makes noise
[02:00] <supertijano> Did you put the needle in the hole?
[02:00] <Steven_M> ahh dam
[02:00] <Psi-Jack> tinin: You did say you have a faulty drive, did you not?
[02:00] <tinin> and the hole does nothing with a paperclip
[02:00] <mzelem> ?
[02:00] <tinin> yes, it doesnt record well
[02:00] <supertijano> Maybe you pushed it at an angle, or not far enough?
[02:00] <vge> its like 4-5cm deep
[02:00] <Psi-Jack> tinin: You may have to have a long enough paperclip to hit the manual drawer opern.
[02:01] <Steven_M> mzelem: got to go, bye
[02:01] <mzelem> bye
[02:01] <tinin> but the problem is the same with my other drive, with bad cds
[02:01] <Psi-Jack> tinin: This is literally a manual forced eject. heh
[02:01] <tinin> yeah, it's going to fly that fuckin cd
[02:01] <tinin> cause it still spins
[02:02] <Psi-Jack> Watch the language, please.
[02:02] <tinin> well
[02:02] <Psi-Jack> tinin: The forced eject usually only ejects it about 1/2 an inch. The rest, you have to pull.
[02:02] <tinin> i've got it
[02:03] <tinin> but do you think the push button is going to work again??
[02:04] <Psi-Jack> Maybe after you reboot? Who knows. heh
[02:04] <supertijano> Try it. haha
[02:05] <tinin> now i know why your laptop didnt work
[02:05] <tinin> XD
[02:05] <supertijano> Hahaha. No, one of the wires got disconnected in the dvd drive. :(
[02:06] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.
[02:06] <Psi-Jack> There used to be a CLI tool to lock and unlock the cdrom drive tray. I just can't remember what it was.
[02:06] <luisito> I'm getting this error when I do ./configure :
[02:06] <supertijano> It's like in a plastic foil and the connector is microscopic.
[02:06] <luisito> forget it
[02:06] <Psi-Jack> luisito: Okay.
[02:06] <Psi-Jack> Forgotten.
[02:07] <tinin> thanx i'm going to sleep knowing something more about computers: how to fight against cdrom drives in linux
[02:07] <tinin> forgotten
[02:07] <supertijano> Hahaha. Good one jack
[02:07] <supertijano> Haha, good night tinin
[02:07] <tinin> bye
[02:07] <Psi-Jack> Oh.
[02:07] <supertijano> bye
[02:07] <mefisto> Is anyone else on Dapper flight 3
[02:07] <Psi-Jack> hdparm -w might do it, since it's already in a bad state. ;)
[02:07] <supertijano> It's only 8 here
[02:08] <supertijano> Tinin must be from Spain or something... Oh well
[02:09] <varsendagger> supertijano, maybe italy?
[02:09] <supertijano> Hey psi-jack, how can you tell which version of Kubuntu you're running.
[02:09] <supertijano> He said he spoke spanish..
[02:10] <Hobbsee> supertijano: uname -r will say which kernel you are
[02:10] <Psi-Jack> supertijano: Good question. uname -a doesn't say.
[02:11] <supertijano> Hmm, I know it's not dapper..
[02:11] <supertijano> I'll try uname
[02:11] <mnoir> you might check your apt sources file
[02:12] <supertijano> That would work too, wouldn't it? haha
[02:12] <Psi-Jack> supertijano: BTW, Correct. Spain. Madrid, Spain.
[02:13] <supertijano> Haha. I know my geography.
[02:14] <supertijano> I'm running Breezy Badger 5.10
[02:15] <supertijano> Why does the apt source say restricted? Sounds bad.
[02:16] <Psi-Jack> supertijano: I did a nice whowas on him, and did a geobyte lookup. ;)
[02:16] <JasonF> That makes the 3rd time in a row. I go to do something in kopete, and my system hardlocks
[02:16] <JasonF> I mean cursor not moving, consoles not available, locked tight
[02:16] <supertijano> I saw that his name was like Juan or something, and he said he didn't understand because of Spanish.
[02:17] <mnoir> restricted means less than fully open source
[02:17] <Andy5201987> Hi
[02:17] <Andy5201987> My name is Andy
[02:17] <supertijano> So what exactly is restricted? atp or Breezy Badger?
[02:18] <kkathman> Hi Andy
[02:18] <kkathman> lol
[02:18] <Andy5201987> I'd like to know where could I get the latest deb package for kopete
[02:18] <mnoir> neither - certain packages, drivers etc
[02:18] <mnoir> breezy is a vast conglomeration of over 17000 packages
[02:19] <mnoir> only a subset are installed
[02:19] <Psi-Jack> Andy5201987: Looked at the URL?
[02:19] <supertijano> Oh. Okay. Is that why a lot of applications weren't originally in adept?
[02:19] <Psi-Jack> Andy5201987: Err, topic?
[02:19] <Andy5201987> I have v.0.10.3 of kopete
[02:19] <Andy5201987> but would like a newer one
[02:20] <mnoir> no - the included packages are always a function of what repositories you use
[02:20] <Andy5201987> doesn't really matter to me
[02:21] <Psi-Jack> Andy5201987: Kopete is part of KDE, which KDE 3.5.1 is out, and mentioned how to get at kubuntu.org
[02:21] <supertijano> I mean, I looked for firefox and gimp in Adept but they weren't there. Only the lib files. That's what I don't understand
[02:21] <t3nd0> whats a good kde *visual* ftp client
[02:21] <mnoir> Adept uses the exact same repository config as does synaptic, apt-get
[02:22] <Andy5201987> yea
[02:22] <robotgeek> t3nd0: konqueror?
[02:22] <Psi-Jack> t3nd0: Konqueror?
[02:22] <robotgeek> wow
[02:22] <t3nd0> oh ok
[02:22] <Andy5201987> but I just want kopete, not KDE
[02:22] <t3nd0> i didnt know you could use it as an ftp client
[02:22] <Psi-Jack> Andy5201987: As I said. Kopete is PART of KDE.
[02:22] <Andy5201987> I know what you said
[02:22] <Andy5201987> but I cant update my kde version b/c it messes up the system
[02:22] <Andy5201987> I have kde 3.3.0
[02:23] <mnoir> super - but they are there in apt on the same sys with the same sources.list??
[02:23] <supertijano> I don't like Kopete, personally. Gaim is better I think
[02:23] <robotgeek> t3nd0: it does lots of fancy things, like a bluetooth phone browser etc
[02:23] <Psi-Jack> So in order to upgrade Kopete, You will need the minimal requirements, which is the kdelibs, and possibly more.
[02:23] <Psi-Jack> Andy5201987: Are you even running Kubuntu, or Ubuntu, or are you running Debian?
[02:23] <Andy5201987> I asked at Debian but got no help there
[02:23] <Andy5201987> so I came here for answer's
[02:24] <Andy5201987> what are kubuntu;s repository sites?
[02:24] <Psi-Jack> Andy5201987: Sorry. Ubuntu is based on Debian, but is /not/ Debian. We can't help you with specific debian-related issues.
[02:24] <Andy5201987> can I at least have kubuntu's default repositories please?
[02:24] <Psi-Jack> Ubuntu packages will not work with Debian.
[02:24] <supertijano> OKay, so mnoir, how does it determine which packages to include, and which to leave out?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> Andy5201987: if you use them, you will move from debian to kubuntu.
[02:24] <Hobbsee> !repos
[02:24] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[02:24] <t3nd0> robotgeek, i can't just drop files into ftp folder tho, how do i send files?
[02:25] <robotgeek> t3nd0: copy paste works
[02:25] <Andy5201987> That's fine
[02:25] <Andy5201987> just provide them here please?
[02:25] <Andy5201987> so I can copy them to my repository list...
[02:25] <mnoir> um - the original install has a list of packages to install and the apt/dpkg underlying system uses the dependency info in each package to resolve
[02:25] <t3nd0> robotgeek, THX THX THX !!! :)
[02:25] <mnoir> as you can imagine, it is complex
[02:26] <Andy5201987> I only want kubuntu's default repositories, if that's not too much to ask???
[02:26] <mnoir> in the guis (adept, synaptic, etc) you can see the dependencies for each package
[02:26] <Andy5201987> I know it's something like deb http://example
[02:26] <Andy5201987> something like that
[02:26] <supertijano> Oh.. I think I get it now. Because I installed Kubuntu on my desktop, and firefox was there, but on my laptop, it wasn't.
[02:26] <Andy5201987> then I know to use apt-get
[02:27] <robotgeek> t3nd0: enjoy!
[02:27] <Hobbsee> Andy5201987: see !repos, from above
[02:28] <Andy5201987> can you put them here please?>
[02:28] <mnoir> super - same ubu version?
[02:28] <supertijano> Same cd yeah
[02:28] <Hobbsee> Andy5201987: if you click on the link, it will lead you to the official repos.
[02:28] <kkathman> Hi Hobbsee :)
[02:28] <Hobbsee> hi kkathman
[02:28] <mnoir> hmm - strange - i got ff on every machine i have loaded
[02:29] <mnoir> immediately replaced it with a more uptodate version :)
[02:29] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: i think so too - i'm kinda tempted to flood her with all of them in a private message, so she has to remove the timestamps to add them
[02:29] <supertijano> I found a website that explained how to change the sourceds.list to include a lot more, so I guess I learned something.
[02:29] <Psi-Jack> Andy5201987: Sorry, no. We won't hold your hand.
[02:29] <Andy5201987> ok
[02:29] <Andy5201987> thanks
[02:30] <Hobbsee> not that much, anyway
[02:30] <Psi-Jack> You can go to a website. :p
[02:30] <Hobbsee> then again, it *might* bite
[02:30] <Andy5201987> they arent kubuntu's
[02:30] <kkathman> wow #kubuntu is getting rough
[02:30] <Andy5201987> they are ubuntu's
[02:30] <Psi-Jack> Kubuntu IS Ubuntu.
[02:30] <mnoir> andy - same tree used for both
[02:31] <T3hWiz0rd> come on people, lets all unite... we are all one in the same
[02:31] <mnoir> the only difference ( :) ) is the desktop manager
[02:31] <Snake__> T3hWiz0rd: go away commie
[02:31] <Snake__> :P
[02:31] <supertijano> Haha.  He's lost.
[02:33] <T3hWiz0rd> lol
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Andy5201987: if we pasted them in here, we would be violating the rules in the topic, and would get kicked and or banned.  Hence sending you to a list of them instead.
[02:34] <Andy5201987> ok
[02:34] <t3nd0> Snake__, http://www.deftek.net/gallery/albums/userpics/kmenu.jpg
[02:34] <t3nd0> its not there
[02:34] <mnoir> Andy - there are many good topics on the ubuntu forums about the repositories
[02:35] <mnoir> the default list is very conservative and many ppl add to them
[02:35] <T3hWiz0rd> doh* hes on an older version
[02:35] <T3hWiz0rd> we all are on 3.5
[02:35] <Snake__> T3hWiz0rd: it should be on 3.4 too
[02:35] <T3hWiz0rd> no no, its in a different place... im trying to remember.
[02:35] <Snake__> T3hWiz0rd: go to special buttons
[02:35] <Snake__> oops
[02:35] <Snake__> t3nd0: Check under special buttons
[02:36] <Snake__> t3nd0: if its not there, go to application, and click "add this menu"
[02:36] <Snake__> and it will give you a equivalent
[02:36] <t3nd0> no its not the same
[02:36] <t3nd0> no log out
[02:36] <t3nd0> etc
[02:36] <Snake__> Oh........
[02:36] <Snake__> t3nd0: and its not under special buttons?
[02:36] <t3nd0> oh its under special button
[02:37] <t3nd0> whoops im dum
[02:37] <t3nd0> didnt see it first time round
[02:37] <Psi-Jack> BBL
[02:37] <Snake__> Hehe :)
[02:38] <supertijano> Aww, now it got quiet.
[02:41] <Hobbsee> yeah, looks like it
[02:41] <bimberi> ok, right-click the panel...
[02:41] <supertijano> So anyway hobbsee.. How'd you get your name?  Haha
[02:42] <supertijano> What do you do after you right click bimberi?
[02:42] <supertijano> ;)
[02:42] <bimberi> :P
[02:43] <supertijano> Hahaha
[02:45] <francolq> hello. in adept: what does BREAK(install) in the action column means?
[02:45] <francolq> (or should I write "mean"?, my english is not very good...)
[02:46] <supertijano> My theory is that it wont install because of a conflict with another package?
[02:47] <supertijano> I'm not sure. It's just my theory
[02:47] <supertijano> Psi-Jack you're back!
[02:47] <Psi-Jack> Alrighty then!
[02:47] <supertijano> Ahaha, it rhymed sort-of.
[02:47] <Psi-Jack> Heh, yeah, copying my /home partition off my primary HDD, so I can move Kubuntu to it.
[02:48] <Psi-Jack> This is going to be ... Fun..
[02:48] <supertijano> Haha. Yeah. It sounds like it.
[02:48] <mnoir> better than fun...
[02:48] <Psi-Jack> I got to specifically exclude some mount-points just for the copy to be "proper"
[02:49] <supertijano> so what does BREAK(install) mean in adept anyway?
[02:49] <Psi-Jack> I'm trying to decide what to do about /dev now...
[02:49] <Psi-Jack> supertijano: That means it'll break something else's dependancies.
[02:49] <supertijano> Okay. So it wont install, right?
[02:49] <Psi-Jack> supertijano: In other words, you have unofficial package repository sources that conflict.
[02:50] <Psi-Jack> It might install.. .LOL
[02:50] <francolq> Psi-Jack: mmmmmm, I think i dont have any unofficial repository
[02:50] <Psi-Jack> francolq: Eh?
[02:51] <supertijano> It was his question..
[02:51] <francolq>  Psi-Jack: actually, is kdevelop3 from breezy's universe/kde
[02:51] <Psi-Jack> Oh..
[02:52] <francolq> is there any way to check the possible consecuences using apt-*?
[02:52] <Psi-Jack> Wow.. Kubuntu has reiser4 support built-in?
[02:53] <mnoir> actually - adept should have a way of seeing the details
[02:53] <supertijano> I didn't notice during the installation jack.
[02:53] <Psi-Jack> supertijano: Yeah, but it has mkfs.reiser4
[02:53] <francolq> "apt-get check kdevelop3" says nothing
[02:54] <supertijano> Hmm. I don't have the best understanding of reiser anyway
[02:54] <mnoir> right click the word break and look for popup
[02:54] <francolq> (stupid of me, "apt-get check" don't have parameters)
[02:56] <bimberi> francolq: there's also something like "sudo apt-get -s install kdevelop3"   (-s == --simulate)
[02:56] <francolq> bimberi: thanks, lets see
[02:59] <t3nd0> whats this os-x style menu im using called and how do i configure it?
[03:01] <francolq> the origin of the problem is that i couldn't make mcedit save iso8859-1 C files (with spanish accents), not even correctly configuring mc's character set
[03:02] <supertijano> t3nd0 do you mean kde?
[03:02] <t3nd0> yeah i have kde
[03:02] <__mikem> hey, I left xchat open over night
[03:03] <supertijano> You can right click on the pannel?
[03:03] <t3nd0> but i have this cool menu at the bottom http://www.deftek.net/gallery/albums/userpics/kmenu.jpg
[03:03] <francolq> ok, y think y know what does BREAK(install) means..... i dont have enough disk space to install all the dependencies
[03:04] <supertijano> So what are you trying to do?
[03:04] <francolq> so, for instance, kdevelop3-data wasn't automatically selected by adept, but it is a dependency....
[03:04] <t3nd0> i wanna make it be on the top instead of the bottom
[03:04] <t3nd0> im too used to windows
[03:04] <supertijano> Right click on the pannel, and.. let me see real quick
[03:04] <francolq> ok, supertijano, Psi-jack and bimberi, thank you all anyway...
[03:05] <supertijano> click configure> and select top
[03:05] <t3nd0> right clicking on it only gives options for the program you're hovering over
[03:05] <supertijano> Sorry francolq
[03:05] <supertijano> Don't hover over any programs.
[03:06] <t3nd0> The instant you have your mouse down there its highlighting something
[03:06] <supertijano> Do you not have any open space left on the pannel?
[03:07] <t3nd0> im talking about this bottom tool bar that has large buttons and they get bigger when your mouse goes over them
[03:07] <supertijano> I'm talking about to the right of it, where your windows are, you know? It should be between the menu and the clock
[03:08] <t3nd0> at the bottom http://www.deftek.net/gallery/albums/userpics/kmenu.jpg
[03:08] <t3nd0> its not the standard bar
[03:08] <t3nd0> its some other thing
[03:08] <__mikem> customizing kubuntu is a bear
[03:08] <supertijano> Try next to the trash can?
[03:08] <__mikem> I would much rather install a generic kde package and configure it myself
[03:08] <t3nd0> thats what i've been trying to do :)
[03:09] <supertijano> And it doesn't work?
[03:09] <t3nd0> i can't right click and get any more settings
[03:09] <supertijano> Well, then I guess you could right click > add to panel > special button > preferences
[03:09] <supertijano> Maybe?
[03:10] <t3nd0> oh i found it, its an apple icon on the top
[03:10] <t3nd0> "kxdocker"  :)
[03:10] <__mikem> did you hear about the new intell based apples
[03:11] <supertijano> mikem yeah.
[03:11] <supertijano> I heard they weren't any better though.
[03:11] <supertijano> So it works now t3?
[03:11] <t3nd0> only people in afghanistan havent heard about intel macs yet :D
[03:11] <supertijano> Hahaha.
[03:11] <__mikem> doesn't the idea of windows running on a mac strike you as a sign of the apocolips
[03:11] <supertijano> And possibly Iraq
[03:11] <supertijano> Hahaha. I haven't given it much thought.
[03:12] <__mikem> if its not a sign, it should bw
[03:12] <supertijano> What's bw?
[03:12] <__mikem> be, I made a typo
[03:12] <supertijano> Oh. I thought it stood for something.
[03:13] <supertijano> t3nd0: I didn't see the top panel in the picture. :/
[03:13] <supertijano> It reminds me of gnome.
[03:14] <t3nd0> its all good man
[03:14] <t3nd0> hrm this "kxdocker" doesnt seem to work right
[03:14] <supertijano> How did you find it?
[03:14] <__mikem> this is why I don't use beta software
[03:15] <t3nd0> i enabled more adept packages and then i downloaded it
[03:15] <t3nd0> its not buggy, the config just isnt quite working
[03:15] <t3nd0> and i can't add firefox or thunderbird :*(
[03:15] <__mikem> what version of kde is that?
[03:15] <t3nd0> whatever comes with kubuntu
[03:15] <t3nd0> i have no idea
[03:15] <supertijano> Maybe you just try right clicking on the top panel now. ;)
[03:15] <__mikem> you didn't take the 3.5.1 upgrade
[03:15] <t3nd0> i dont know maybe
[03:15] <t3nd0> im so noobish
[03:16] <supertijano> Me too. Haha
[03:16] <__mikem> you would have to specifically have done it
[03:16] <t3nd0> i still dont have opengl or sound
[03:16] <__mikem> I am a noob also so join the club
[03:16] <t3nd0> thats how noob i am
[03:16] <__mikem> t3nd0 I have been installing packages like opengl and sound as I need them
[03:16] <supertijano> It worked at once for me, otherwise I'd be soundless too
[03:17] <__mikem> !kde3.5.1
[03:17] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5.1, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[03:17] <__mikem> I honestly would NOT recomend doing that
[03:17] <__mikem> kde3.5.1 is a bit unstable from what I hear
[03:18] <supertijano> Yeah, probably.
[03:18] <t3nd0> guys this theme is sweet :) http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=32241
[03:18] <fatejudger> KDE 3.5.1 is fine
[03:18] <supertijano> but t3 did you find the configure thing?
[03:18] <t3nd0> yeah i've tried installing opengl and the sound package MANY times over the past week
[03:18] <t3nd0> yeah i found the config thanks
[03:18] <fatejudger> does anyone know about the CUPS breakage in Dapper?
[03:18] <supertijano> Do you have alsa?
[03:18] <fatejudger> I STILL can't seem to print
[03:19] <__mikem> printers are hard to set up in ubuntu
[03:19] <supertijano> I was only able to print once in SUSE. Sorry fate
[03:19] <__mikem> I know how to do it in gnome, but your on your own in kde
[03:19] <supertijano> There is an easy printer set up wizard, but I don't know where
[03:19] <fatejudger> this is in Dapper
[03:20] <fatejudger> the CUPS server is broken
[03:20] <__mikem> in gnome its system-admin-printing or something like that
[03:20] <supertijano> I'm talking about KDE in general, I think.
[03:20] <fatejudger> I know what you're talking about
[03:20] <fatejudger> but CUPS needs to be working first
[03:20] <__mikem> try looking for something that looks vaguely like that
[03:20] <supertijano> Well, then you obviously know more about the subject. Sorry
[03:21] <__mikem> actually I know very little about linux
[03:21] <__mikem> still learning if you will
[03:21] <__mikem> but the more I learn, the more I love it
[03:21] <supertijano> I was talking about fate :P
[03:21] <supertijano> I do agree mikem
[03:22] <__mikem> oh, well, can't speak for fate
[03:22] <fatejudger> perhaps once one of the Dapper maintainers comes on I might be able to ask them
[03:22] <supertijano> Stick around
[03:22] <__mikem> Id recomend just getting breazy installed on a box and using that in the mean time
[03:22] <__mikem> it runs like a dream
[03:22] <fatejudger> I know, I used to run it
[03:23] <fatejudger> KOffice packages are broken now too
[03:23] <supertijano> What about openoffice?
[03:23] <__mikem> do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure on them
[03:23] <__mikem> that should fix them
[03:23] <fatejudger> openoffice is slow as hell
[03:23] <fatejudger> and hogs up memory
[03:23] <fatejudger> and sucks in general
[03:23] <supertijano> I've never tried KOffice
[03:23] <__mikem> I am actually an openoffice fan
[03:23] <SpentCasing> i need a .pdf editor, pls help
[03:23] <fatejudger> __mikem: it's not that kind of breakage
[03:24] <__mikem> oh, ok
[03:24] <fatejudger> __mikem: have you even used KOffice?
[03:24] <t3nd0> oh nm opengl works now by some twist of fate
[03:24] <__mikem> Yeh, I like it, but I have been using OpenOffice and have had no problems
[03:24] <t3nd0> as long as the screensavers work you're good to go right?
[03:24] <__mikem> lol, I should say not
[03:25] <supertijano> haha. Got luck t3?
[03:26] <t3nd0> anyone know where to get quake 3 for linux
[03:26] <__mikem> yeh I do actually
[03:26] <__mikem> hold on
[03:26] <SpentCasing> i need a .pdf editor, pls help
[03:27] <fatejudger> id software's website should have it
[03:28] <t3nd0> how do you test your framerate?
[03:29] <__mikem> http://www.happypenguin.org/ this site should have it and many others
[03:31] <supertijano> I have to go now. Bye everybody
[03:31] <__mikem> bye
[03:33] <t3nd0> WHOA I GET 12220.340 FPS using glxgears
[03:33] <t3nd0> :O
[03:34] <fatejudger> that's fairly normal
[03:34] <t3nd0> oh :P
[03:34] <t3nd0> i have a 256MB GEFORCE 6800GT
[03:34] <t3nd0> 12K sounded pretty extreme to me but what do i know
[03:34] <djzn> hi... how do I install the complete X Window Server (I did a server install, and missed X)
[03:35] <fatejudger> djzn: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:36] <djzn> fate: but with no KDE yet...
[03:36] <djzn> fate: but with no KDE and no GNOME... i will grab the kde 3.5.1 later
[03:36] <fatejudger> that makes no sense
[03:36] <fatejudger> just add kde 3.5.1 repos
[03:36] <fatejudger> and then apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[03:37] <fatejudger> I don't know what you're trying to accomplish exactly
[03:37] <fatejudger> do you want Xorg?
[03:37] <djzn> i installed the server
[03:37] <__mikem> Does anyone besides me have both kde and gnome installed
[03:37] <djzn> then, i want to put x
[03:37] <djzn> and then kde 3.5.1
[03:37] <__mikem> just out of curiousity
[03:37] <fatejudger> djzn: then add the KDE 3.5.1 repos to your sources.list
[03:37] <fatejudger> djzn: then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:38] <fatejudger> djzn: that will install the X server and KDE with the KDE 3.5.1 packages
[03:38] <djzn> yeah
[03:38] <djzn> look
[03:38] <djzn> the GPG key
[03:38] <djzn> do i NEED to do that annoyance?
[03:38] <fatejudger> djzn: yes
[03:38] <fatejudger> djzn: and how is it an annoyance?
[03:39] <fatejudger> it takes approx 10 seconds to do
[03:39] <djzn> last time it gave me a problem in /var/lib/apt thing
[03:40] <djzn> xorg won't be downloaded from the net then?
[03:40] <djzn> it will reach for the cd?
[03:42] <fatejudger> djzn: not sure
[03:42] <fatejudger> djzn: did you use the server cd?
[03:42] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: hey
[03:42] <Psi-Jack> Well, got most everything copied. Now for the harder stuff. Heh
[03:42] <Hobbsee> hi fatejudger
[03:43] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I know you use Dapper, but do you use KOffice by chance?
[03:43] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: i dont, but i can install it for testing
[03:43] <Hobbsee> what in particular about it?
[03:43] <djzn> fatejudger: yes
[03:43] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: well it now depends on Kexi
[03:43] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: somewhere around 1.4
[03:43] <djzn> fatejudger: installed the system from the cd
[03:44] <fatejudger> djzn: which cd?
[03:44] <fatejudger> djzn: the server cd?
[03:44] <djzn> kubuntu cd
[03:44] <fatejudger> djzn: or the full Kubuntu cd?
[03:44] <fatejudger> djzn: ok
[03:44] <djzn> full kubuntu cd
[03:44] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: right..and?
[03:44] <fatejudger> djzn: then it may use the CD depending on whether it's the latest package or not
[03:44] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: there is no Kexi 1.4
[03:44] <djzn> ok ill try
[03:44] <Psi-Jack> I love the fact that it's mostly easy as heck to copy an entire Linux system from one HDD to another is mostly just as simple as cp -a
[03:44] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: ah, i see
[03:45] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: so now apt-get is asking me to provide it kexi
[03:45] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: and holding back some upgrades
[03:45] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: so now not only can I not install KOffice, I can't use apt at all
[03:45] <Hobbsee> oh dear, that's not good
[03:45] <Hobbsee> why is it holding back the rest of the upgrades?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> ooh, more upgrades :D
[03:46] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: well it's been trying to install the core package
[03:46] <Hobbsee> right
[03:46] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: for koffice
[03:46] <Hobbsee> i think you'd have to ask Riddell about this, btw - he did those packages
[03:46] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: but for some reason the "KOffice" package depends on Kexi
[03:46] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: but the subpackages don't
[03:46] <Hobbsee> and just wont run, and ignores everything else in the packages
[03:46] <Hobbsee> er, ok then!
[03:46] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: at least some of them don't
[03:46] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: and now koffice-core is getting confused
[03:47] <Hobbsee> :(
[03:47] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: and it can't overwrite some files
[03:47] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: because it's part of the Kexi package
[03:47] <Hobbsee> darn!
[03:47] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: maybe I could manually uninstall Kexi...
[03:47] <Hobbsee> that would probably work, then retry
[03:47] <Hobbsee> otherwise use force overwrite
[03:48] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: can you spell package breakage?
[03:48] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: lol
[03:48] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:48] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I remember doing that once before
[03:48] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: with libc6
[03:48] <Hobbsee> yeah, i can see some nice work for Riddell to do :)
[03:48] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: that was an experience I'll never forget
[03:49] <os2mac> Hobbsee: next release date?
[03:49] <fatejudger> 6.04
[03:49] <Red_Herring> wow
[03:49] <__mikem> Hey red
[03:49] <Red_Herring> i come in here, and EVERY OTHER LINE begins with Hobbsee
[03:50] <Red_Herring> hey
[03:50] <__mikem> lol
[03:50] <Hobbsee> LOL!
[03:50] <Red_Herring> anyone here read Bless Me ultima?
[03:50] <Hobbsee> hi Red_Herring
[03:50] <__mikem> I am doing my english homework right now
[03:50] <Red_Herring> i gotta read 100 pages by tmro
[03:50] <Steven_M> Does anyone know of a plugin to stop tb from marking messages as unread untill they are fully opened?
[03:50] <Red_Herring> tb?
[03:50] <Red_Herring> oh, thunderbird
[03:51] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: this is hillarious, koffice-libs and koffice-data can be installed, but the pseudopackage "Koffice" depends on Kexi 1.4.90
[03:51] <Red_Herring> i thought you meant tuberculosis
[03:51] <Steven_M> yep, sorry
[03:51] <Red_Herring> i was wondering why it was marking messages
[03:51] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: in fact, it looks like I can install every package contained in the "koffice" pseudopackage as long as I don't refer to the pseudopackage
[03:52] <os2mac> again... does anyone know when the next projected release date?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> Steven_M: it's in the options
[03:52] <Hobbsee> LOL @ fatejudger
[03:52] <Hobbsee> !dapper
[03:52] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be the "Dapper Drake" release, due April 20, 2006. Be warned that it's not yet stable but you are encouraged to help out with testing - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing.
[03:52] <os2mac> tried that...
[03:52] <os2mac> it was hard.
[03:52] <Hobbsee> os2mac: fatejudger answered you, and so does that factoid.  april 20, 2006
[03:52] <__mikem> I don't do beta software
[03:52] <Steven_M> Hobbsee: where?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> let me go see...
[03:52] <os2mac> I had to reload back to the current release
[03:53] <Hobbsee> Steven_M: edit, preferences, advanced, second option.
[03:53] <Red_Herring> os2mac, i tried osx on my amd, it is not that nice
[03:53] <Hobbsee> what, dapper?  yeah, it can be
[03:54] <Red_Herring> seriously, if OSX has viable driver support, i would get it, even if they just sold it to uber-nerds
[03:54] <os2mac> how did you get OSX on an AMD?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> argh no, please dont tell me that the bot is screwed again!
[03:54] <Hobbsee> !dapper
[03:54] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Hobbsee
[03:54] <fatejudger> lol
[03:54] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: have you seen the new Adept Updater?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: the little green icon?
[03:54] <os2mac> I saw it and that is what started my problems.
[03:54] <Red_Herring> os2mac, ;-)
[03:55] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: it's a red triangle for me
[03:55] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: means you need updates, yeah
[03:55] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I think it's angry that I haven't installed all the packages
[03:55] <httpdss> LOL !
[03:55] <Psi-Jack> apt-get upgrade - Simple procedure. :p
[03:55] <os2mac> apt-get update.... works great...
[03:55] <Hobbsee> no, try ./up<tab>, enter
[03:56] <Hobbsee> works a charm - updates and upgrades
[03:56] <Hobbsee> mind you, you do have to write it first
[03:56] <fatejudger> I do all my updating through the terminal
[03:56] <Hobbsee> same here
[03:56] <os2mac> you could give us a copy somewhere.
[03:56] <Hobbsee> it doesnt seem to update often enough
[03:57] <Hobbsee> 4 whole lines:
[03:57] <Hobbsee> #!/bin/bash
[03:57] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get update
[03:57] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:57] <Hobbsee> echo Your system is now upgraded
[03:57] <fatejudger> what the hell
[03:57] <fatejudger> they JUST uploaded new Dapper packages
[03:57] <Hobbsee> for what?
[03:57] <fatejudger> KDE stuff
[03:57] <os2mac> what is the tab for?
[03:57] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:57] <fatejudger> kate, libkonq, konq
[03:57] <fatejudger> well I just downloaded those 30 minutes ago
[03:57] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:57] <fatejudger> they must have screwed up or something
[03:57] <Hobbsee> probably new versions - i just got them too
[03:57] <fatejudger> good thing I didn't restart
[03:57] <Hobbsee> probably
[03:58] <Hobbsee> rebooting kde here, back in a min
[03:58] <fatejudger> k
[03:58] <Psi-Jack> Heh. Here's one.. crontab -e as root, and make it to apt-get update; apt-get -y upgrade
[03:58] <Red_Herring> heh, the deadmoo image of osx is very very nice
[03:58] <Red_Herring> but kubuntu is better
[03:58] <Red_Herring> i haveta say
[03:58] <Psi-Jack> Automagic upgrade. Not exactly considered the wisest of ideas, but as long as you set things up right, it'll even mail you the report. ;)
[03:59] <Red_Herring> the thing about linux
[03:59] <Red_Herring> is that when you get used to it
[03:59] <Red_Herring> all other operating systems becoem obsolete
[03:59] <Steven_M> Hobbsee: nope, even if you uncheck that it marks them as read after a single click.
[03:59] <Psi-Jack> Except BSD.
[03:59] <os2mac> with Hobbsee's example do I have to change /etc/apt/ settings?
[03:59] <Red_Herring> i am sooooooo used to hitting ctrl-z and having a terminal drop down
[03:59] <Red_Herring> its just natural now
[03:59] <fatbrain> how can I renew my IP address?
[03:59] <Red_Herring> and its tough with osx
[03:59] <fatejudger> does the new amaroK beta work with Gstreamer 0.10?
[03:59] <os2mac> to point to the Dapper repos?
[04:00] <Red_Herring> because a good 69% of the commands are gone
[04:00] <Psi-Jack> os2mac: Dapper is not stable. Be forewarned.
[04:00] <os2mac> I am aware..
[04:00] <os2mac> just asking the question.
[04:00] <Psi-Jack> In that case, just change breezy to dapper
[04:01] <os2mac> I was running Dapper for a couple of weeks and had to revert?
[04:01] <dcwckd> !java
[04:01] <Psi-Jack> I have a nice little sed script ready to change it all to dapper-readiness, so that I can easily dist-upgrade when dapper releases. :
[04:01] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[04:01] <Psi-Jack> :D
[04:01] <Psi-Jack> Seveas' repo has Sun Java 1.5r6
[04:01] <Psi-Jack> !seveas
[04:01] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[04:02] <dcwckd> can some help me with j2re1.4? (blackdown)
[04:02] <dcwckd> please
[04:02] <Psi-Jack> Bleh.  Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:02] <__mikem> nope gues he doesn't know either
[04:02] <Psi-Jack> Mind you, that is "blackdown is less than crap", in less geek speak. :p
[04:03] <Psi-Jack> __mikem: Blackdown is a 3rd party maker of Java, but it does not properly conform to java API spec.
[04:03] <Psi-Jack> And it's /ALWAYS/ several revisions behind.
[04:04] <Psi-Jack> dcwckd: My advice, get Sun Java, and get rid of Blackdown.
[04:04] <dcwckd> w/e
[04:04] <dcwckd> im just trying to get it to work in firefox
[04:05] <Psi-Jack> Then I still suggest Sun JRE. :)
[04:05] <dcwckd> ill try sun
[04:06] <dcwckd> !java
[04:06] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[04:07] <__mikem> Psi-Jack sounds like its a big waste of time
[04:07] <Hobbsee> all right, what else do i want to start at startup?
[04:07] <Psi-Jack> __mikem: It is.
[04:07] <Psi-Jack> __mikem: The devs just don't think so. :)
[04:07] <__mikem> I am not a big java fan though
[04:07] <Psi-Jack> I'm not either, however, I know what's good java, and what's bad java.
[04:08] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm... Time to unmount my... /dev/shm and /dev
[04:09] <Psi-Jack> Dangit.. /dev won't umount. :/
[04:09] <__mikem> I didn't know /dev was a drive
[04:09] <__mikem> I thought it was a dirrectory
[04:10] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: check to see if KOffice works?
[04:10] <Psi-Jack> Well, /dev, right now, is a tmpfs mountpoint.
[04:10] <__mikem> oh, don't know jack-squat about that
[04:10] <Hobbsee> how do you get a program to start up, in the system tray?
[04:11] <Hobbsee> but not maximised?
[04:12] <Hobbsee> oh...i see...
[04:17] <Steven_M> can someone please explain to how to get a cvs version of a program I want.
[04:17] <Steven_M> ?
[04:18] <Psi-Jack> Kubuntu's install CD has a rescue mode on it, right?
[04:19] <__mikem> that would be nice just incase
[04:19] <Psi-Jack> Well, I guess I find out the hard way. :p
[04:19] <__mikem> hope your backed up
[04:19] <Psi-Jack> Only to 2 HDD's at the moment. :p
[04:20] <Psi-Jack> Besides, it won't start installing till I say for it to. :p
[04:20] <Psi-Jack> You know, that initiall ISO Linux boot prompt and all. Gives you the option to hit enter, or type in a installation mode.
[04:20] <Psi-Jack> Anyway
[04:21] <_jfm> Hi, i'm new on Kubuntu (been using mandriva for the past few years) and I like it !  Some questions... 1) How do I get numlock to start on X by default? 2) Is there a way to configure my logitech wireless destop?  Thanks in advance ! :-)
[04:24] <__mikem> Wish I knew sorry.
[04:24] <_jfm> Ok... is there a way to get kfind back in konqueror ?
[04:25] <__mikem> How did it come to not be in there
[04:26] <hatake_kakashi> _jfm: you can create a shortcut
[04:26] <hatake_kakashi> _jfm: I presume Alt+F2 and kfind will open up kfind
[04:26] <__mikem> Hey hatake
[04:26] <dcwckd> hey guys, how do I get a copy of my currently running proccesses?
[04:26] <hatake_kakashi> __mikem: hi
[04:26] <_jfm> got it... different place thats all :-)
[04:26] <hatake_kakashi> dcwckd: ps or top
[04:26] <dcwckd> ps -el?
[04:27] <hatake_kakashi> dcwckd: check with man pages, I normally do ps -A
[04:27] <hatake_kakashi> however that shows all processes
[04:31] <brydenn> ok guys. how do i encrypt a folder?
[04:32] <brydenn> or at least password protect it?
[04:32] <hatake_kakashi> why do you want to put password protect it? just have it made so that only you have the permission to do things to it, eg chmod 700
[04:33] <dcwckd> hes hiding the pr0n from his wife, obviously. :P
[04:33] <hatake_kakashi> lol
[04:33] <brydenn> lol actually dcwckd is correct
[04:33] <brydenn> only i dont have a wife
[04:33] <brydenn> its a girlfriend :)
[04:33] <dcwckd> lol
[04:33] <brydenn> and the porn is of me and some other girl hahaha
[04:33] <__mikem> we don't need any of that in here
[04:33] <brydenn> so yah... need some help here ;)
[04:33] <hatake_kakashi> there is a way to make it encrypted, but its not easy, you need encrpypted loop, etc. Google around for answers
[04:34] <brydenn> what about BestCrypt hatake_kakashi ?
[04:34] <__mikem> I would just write my own encryption tool if I was in your position
[04:34] <brydenn> it was the first thing that came up when i was searching for Linux Encryption Programs
[04:34] <dcwckd> brydenn: why not keep your distro installed
[04:34] <dcwckd> and keep root access and your username locked down
[04:34] <dcwckd> let her use winblow$
[04:35] <_jfm> put your files in a single folder created as root, and restrict the reading access...
[04:35] <_jfm> may work
[04:35] <dcwckd> it will
[04:35] <JasonF> heh, I got dapper installed without massive things breaking!
[04:35] <brydenn> yah it would
[04:35] <brydenn> hmm
[04:35] <brydenn> so how do i restrict the folder to ONLY root access?
[04:35] <dcwckd> its hard to upgrade to dapper?
[04:35] <dcwckd> i have a side n00b question, anyone care to take this one
[04:36] <brydenn> hehe
[04:36] <brydenn> yes its a n00b question
[04:36] <brydenn> but i am
[04:36] <_jfm> kdesu konqueror - then create the folder... right click to change the access properties..
[04:36] <dcwckd> Ive been installing alot of packages, mainly librarys and such
[04:36] <_jfm> easy way
[04:36] <brydenn> thansk _jfm  i was just gonna ask if thats how you do it
[04:36] <dcwckd> will having a ton of librarys on my system, slow its performance
[04:36] <dcwckd> ?
[04:36] <__mikem> no it shouldn't
[04:37] <dcwckd> techincally? it shouldnt right?
[04:37] <__mikem> as long as you don't have as many programs using them
[04:37] <__mikem> at once
[04:37] <dcwckd> right
[04:37] <dcwckd> librarys arent usually resource hogs
[04:37] <dcwckd> unless an app is using one
[04:37] <dcwckd> got it
[04:38] <__mikem> are these dynamically linked
[04:38] <Hobbsee_> well, i found one way to speed up how fast kde loads!
[04:38] <_jfm> got it !  Numlock on by default on X... apt-get numlockx then follow the readme :-)
[04:38] <__mikem> or static
[04:38] <dcwckd> yes
[04:38] <dcwckd> apt-get installs them as dependancies
[04:38] <dcwckd> Hobb, how?
[04:38] <__mikem> well, they will only take up resources when a program uses them, and unless you are doing something really strange it still shouldn't be too much of an issue
[04:38] <dcwckd> cool
[04:39] <dcwckd> I got worried
[04:39] <dcwckd> i like a clean OS
[04:39] <__mikem> because as soon as the program terminates the library unloads
[04:39] <__mikem> same here
[04:39] <Hobbsee_> dcwckd: get kde to start with an empty session, then add bits as you want them for startup, then set it to start from a manually saved session
[04:39] <dcwckd> i start with an empty session
[04:39] <dcwckd> by default
[04:39] <dcwckd> lol
[04:40] <__mikem> I don't even have prefferences for those kinds of things yet
[04:40] <__mikem> still learning the ropes here
[04:40] <Hobbsee_> dcwckd: that works
[04:40] <dcwckd> an empty session with a few karamba widgets :P
[04:40] <dcwckd> I have a rather lovely desktop
[04:40] <Hobbsee_> with the symlinks into Autostart, they dont seem to start minimised - which is what i tried first
[04:40] <snoozix> hi, is there a way to install the high performance liquid style / window decorations?
[04:41] <dcwckd> Hobbsee_: you might be jealous
[04:41] <dcwckd> lol
[04:42] <Hobbsee_> dcwckd: not jealous...lol
[04:42] <dcwckd> ok
[04:42] <dcwckd> maybe
[04:43] <_jfm> is there an easy way to get firefox 1.5 ?
[04:43] <dcwckd> download it
[04:43] <snoozix> jfm: compiling it?
[04:43] <_jfm> yeah, but where... not in the repos
[04:43] <snoozix> does anyone use the high performance liquid theme?
[04:44] <dcwckd> _jfm: download binaries, cd /usr/bin, sudo ln -s /path/to/firefox/firefox-bin firefox
[04:44] <_jfm> compiling = not easy (for me anyway...)
[04:44] <dcwckd> lol
[04:44] <farous> _jfm: you do not need to compile firefox just download it from their site and use it
[04:44] <dcwckd> is firefox faster if I actually compile it, im using mozilla's universal binarys
[04:44] <snoozix> dcwckd: you wont feel it
[04:45] <dcwckd> was gonna say, its pretty fast now
[04:45] <dcwckd> a friend of mine is a freak, he compiled kde 3.5.1 from scratch
[04:45] <dcwckd> for no reason
[04:45] <farous> !tell _jfm about ff1.5
[04:45] <dcwckd> he claims, "for speed"
[04:45] <__mikem> I tried that on a fedora machine
[04:45] <dcwckd> hes a slackhead
[04:46] <__mikem> well, it makes no difference so he just doesn't want to admit he likes to show off
[04:46] <dcwckd> lol
[04:46] <dcwckd> it took a XEON, dual 2.4, 6 hours to compile 3.5.1
[04:47] <__mikem> ouch
[04:48] <__mikem> lmao
[04:48] <dcwckd> lol
[04:48] <dcwckd> I really want to try this new OSX 10.4.3 DVD I found
[04:49] <Hobbsee_> hey, why do i have an underscore?
[04:49] <brydenn> _jfm : thanks.. i figured it out
[04:49] <dcwckd> x86, prepatched for SSE2/3 with TPM disabled, and about 50 extra drivers ready to go (including VIA/INTEL chipsets) and NVIDIA drivers
[04:49] <HystStudy> Hobbsee_: they are supposed to be
[04:49] <Hobbsee_> might be worth trying then
[04:49] <dcwckd> they claim this DVD of OSX x86 should install on ANY x86 machine
[04:49] <Hobbsee_> they cretainly were over breezy and fx1.0.7
[04:50] <brydenn> OSX blows
[04:50] <brydenn> ;)
[04:50] <dcwckd> it would be fun to dick around on
[04:50] <brydenn> yah
[04:50] <dcwckd> especially on my hardware
[04:50] <dcwckd> I could triple boot
[04:50] <brydenn> lol
[04:50] <brydenn> i have vmware... i'll just run another virtual machine :)
[04:51] <dcwckd> I have a 2gb NTFS partiton for XP/Photoshop, 60 GB Reiser for Kubuntu, and soon a 10GB part for OSX
[04:51] <dcwckd> lol
[04:51] <dcwckd> hopefully..
[04:52] <snoozix> dcwckd: who is they? "dcwckd they claim this DVD of OSX x86 should install on ANY x86 machine"
[04:52] <dcwckd> the creaters of this DVD
[04:52] <Hysty> if a linux version of photoshop was ever made the use of emulators would almost die out I reckon
[04:52] <snoozix> dcwckd: do you have an URL or so?
[04:52] <dcwckd> neg
[04:52] <dcwckd> its on oink, im presuming you know what oink is
[04:52] <snoozix> no
[04:52] <JasonF> omg! For the first time ever, linux uses my webcam
[04:52] <snoozix> i don't
[04:53] <snoozix> JasonF: :)
[04:53] <Hysty> any of you guys use a graphics tablet?
[04:53] <dcwckd> going into kopete's webcam settings
[04:53] <dcwckd> crashes my machine
[04:54] <_jfm> !tell farous thanks.... complicated for me, but i may try it... hope they upload a .deb on the repos :P
[04:54] <Hobbsee> hmph.
[04:54] <Hobbsee> lol
[04:54] <francolq> hello, i need a little favour from breezy users, can anyone go to adept and select the package kdevelop3-data to install?
[04:54] <JasonF> snoozix: what type of app can I use to just view pure webcam outpout
[04:54] <JasonF> and manipulate/record it?
[04:55] <francolq> the question is if it says BREAK(install) in the Action field
[04:55] <snoozix> JasonF: why do you ask me? i do not have any webcam :)
[04:55] <JasonF> Well, let me ask it to everyone then, lol
[04:56] <Psi-Jack> Welp, that certainly did work. :)
[04:56] <JasonF> what type of app can I use to grab my webcam output and manipulate/record that
[04:56] <Psi-Jack> You mean input? :)
[04:56] <JasonF> well, webcam input is my face :)
[04:56] <Hysty> bloody slow dialup connection
[04:56] <JasonF> lol
[04:57] <snoozix> did anyone here just figure out how to get the old gtk2 file selection dialogs?
[05:01] <kreit> is it true that fonts look better in gnome than in kde (clearer, less blurred, antialias)?
[05:04] <Ce_gituuu> hello, anybody can help me?
[05:04] <hatake_kakashi> as in what?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> !+anyone
[05:05] <ubotu> probably 90% of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? <hint>
[05:05] <Psi-Jack> Oh yeah.
[05:05] <Psi-Jack> Kubuntu/Ubuntu, does /not/ have a rescue mode. I'm very upset.
[05:05] <Hobbsee> Psi-Jack: sure it does - it's called recovery mode
[05:05] <Red_Herring> Psi-Jack, what do you need to rescue?
[05:06] <Red_Herring> !rescue
[05:06] <ubotu> somebody said rescue was Boot the install cd with rescue as boot parameter for system rescue mode
[05:06] <Hobbsee> that too
[05:06] <Psi-Jack> Hobbsee: rescue does the REGULAR mode of installation. I tried it.
[05:06] <Red_Herring> !recovery
[05:06] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:07] <Hobbsee> no, there is a recovery mode that you can choose in grub while booting
[05:07] <Psi-Jack> Hobbsee: I don't. I needed to copy the raw /dev from hde to hdg, so that I could actually get a full proper copy of Kubuntu from my primary HDD.
[05:07] <Ce_gituuu> hello
[05:07] <Psi-Jack> Hobbsee: That recovery mode will still mount /dev :p
[05:07] <Ce_gituuu> how to connect?
[05:07] <Psi-Jack> Ce_gituuu: Plug your computer into the wall.
[05:07] <hatake_kakashi> Ce_gituuu: be more specific
[05:07] <Hobbsee> ah ok...i dont use that sort of stuff usually
[05:08] <Psi-Jack> Hobbsee: Normally, I don't either.. But, I didn't want to have to re-install Kubuntu, just because. ;)
[05:08] <hatake_kakashi> Psi-Jack: try getting a live-cd/live-dvd to do the job
[05:08] <Psi-Jack> hatake_kakashi: The Gentoo boot disc worked fine. I'll stick to it. :)
[05:08] <Psi-Jack> It, at least, doesn't limit me to just busybox. heh
[05:09] <hatake_kakashi> busybox isn't that bad
[05:09] <Ce_gituuu> hello hatake?
[05:09] <Psi-Jack> busybox's cp is nothing. You can't even cp -a or cp -dpR, nothing.
[05:09] <Psi-Jack> It's simply cp [SOURCE]  [DESTINATION]
[05:09] <hatake_kakashi> Psi-Jack: well its lean-and-mean for its own basic usage :)
[05:10] <Psi-Jack> hatake_kakashi: Yes, it is.. but for real powerful options, it's crap.
[05:10] <hatake_kakashi> in fact I've seen business card sized cds contain busybox
[05:10] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[05:10] <Psi-Jack> Yep.
[05:10] <Psi-Jack> I've made one once. It had my resume on it, and I told them to boot the CD. ;)
[05:10] <Psi-Jack> Not just put it in to a running system, but literally boot off it. :)
[05:11] <Psi-Jack> Funny thing is, they didn't understand, so I had to do it for them. ;}
[05:11] <hatake_kakashi> heh
[05:13] <Psi-Jack> It had tinyX and everything on it. :)
[05:13] <hatake_kakashi> nice
[05:13] <Psi-Jack> Needless to say, it got me the job.
[05:13] <Psi-Jack> That was years ago..
[05:14] <Psi-Jack> But, with the way /dev keeps getting overlapped by SOMETHING, there needs to be a proper way to get to the original /dev, and quite frankly, nothing's doing it, without a boot disc of some kind.
[05:16] <Psi-Jack> heh, but at least I got my system moved back over to my primary drive, and Gentoo is erased from it. :)
[05:16] <Psi-Jack> And, I didn't have to do a whole lot to do it, either. :D
[05:17] <hatake_kakashi> heh
[05:17] <hatake_kakashi> try fbsd someday Psi-Jack
[05:17] <ice> !xgl
[05:17] <ubotu> Join #xgl-ubuntu for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper.
[05:18] <ice> damn
[05:18] <humboldt> how can I get desktop search in kubuntu?
[05:19] <JackSprat> i did apt-get install apache2 and now i wanna install php5, but when i try it says this: libapache2-mod-php5: Depends: apache2-mpm-prefork (> 2.0.52) but it is not installable
[05:19] <Psi-Jack> hatake_kakashi: What do you think I'm migrating from, prior to Gentoo?
[05:19] <fit4lfe> is dapper worth it to get xgl  ?
[05:20] <JasonF> I'm using konsole with irssi over ssh
[05:20] <hatake_kakashi> Psi-Jack: nfi, heh
[05:20] <Psi-Jack> hatake_kakashi: I've not used Linux in about 2-3 years, due to FreeBSD. BSD for servers, Windows for workstation. Now, I'm going all Linux, and TRYING to get my media server to use Linux, if it'll work out like I need. ;)
[05:20] <JasonF> when I hit alt + -> to make it go left or right, it just enters "3C" into the window
[05:20] <hatake_kakashi> heh
[05:20] <hatake_kakashi> Psi-Jack: you haven't try solaris yet btw ;)
[05:21] <Psi-Jack> hatake_kakashi: I am not even close to a newbie. Linux since 0.12, and BSD since 2.0. I have used Solaris, AIX, Irix, Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, BSDi, SCO, CPM, etc. heh
[05:21] <Psi-Jack> Oh, I forgot at least SunOS, prior to Solaris.
[05:21] <hatake_kakashi> Psi-Jack: d*mn you got more experience under the belt, more than mine heh
[05:22] <Psi-Jack> hatake_kakashi: Heh. I have too much. And yet, I still don't know everything, and I probably never will. ;)
[05:23] <farous> Psi-Jack: so did you try open solaris
[05:23] <Psi-Jack> Open Solaris?
[05:23] <farous> just want opinions for am interested in trying it out
[05:23] <Psi-Jack> Did Sun opensource Solaris?
[05:24] <farous> way back Psi-Jack
[05:24] <Psi-Jack> Way back as in?
[05:24] <farous> and there are a couple of distros based on it too
[05:24] <man_in_work> konversation sucks so much
[05:24] <man_in_work> so does kfloppy
[05:24] <Psi-Jack> I consider "way back" to be 5+ years.
[05:24] <Psi-Jack> man_in_work: So, don'
[05:24] <farous> nope few months back
[05:24] <Psi-Jack> man_in_work: So, don't use them.
[05:25] <Psi-Jack> farous: That's not "way back". That's a bit back. :p
[05:25] <man_in_work> i don't exactly have a choice here
[05:25] <Psi-Jack> A short bit, at that.
[05:25] <Psi-Jack> man_in_work: Yes. Yes actually, you do.
[05:25] <man_in_work> what do you suggest then
[05:27] <Psi-Jack> Well, you could always use ksirc, or kvirc, for IRC.
[05:27] <Psi-Jack> Or, even irssi in konsole.
[05:28] <Psi-Jack> As for kfloppy, you don't have to use it. You could always just use the konsole to mkfs yourself.
[05:29] <Psi-Jack> Like I said. You HAVE your choices.
[05:30] <Psi-Jack> I, personally, recommend you rip your floppy drive, out, though, and get a USB thumb drive.
[05:31] <Psi-Jack> They're smaller in size, BIGGER in storage capacity, and horrendously faster.
[05:31] <JasonF> How do I set my default web browser in KDE (I want it to be Opera)
[05:31] <Psi-Jack> Default?
[05:31] <JasonF> yeah
[05:31] <JasonF> like I want when I click a link in a KDE app to an http site
[05:31] <JasonF> for it to open in opera
[05:31] <kamma> ksirc is the default irc client right?
[05:31] <Psi-Jack> Okay. kcontrol can do that.
[05:32] <kamma> imo konversation is much better
[05:32] <Psi-Jack> kamma: The one that comes with KDE, yes. And I agree with you.
[05:32] <man_in_work> Psi-Jack: why should i be forced to use a console tool? why not make kfloppy actually WORK?
[05:32] <JasonF> Psi-Jack: System Settings or something else?
[05:32] <Psi-Jack> ksirc doesn't look like it's even been TOUCHED in years.
[05:32] <man_in_work> Psi-Jack: as for irc, i can't actually install software here
[05:32] <Psi-Jack> JasonF: kcontrol, KDE Components, web browser
[05:32] <farous> man_in_work: irssi is installed by default
[05:32] <Psi-Jack> GullyFoyle: Oh that's just sick.
[05:33] <JasonF> Psi-Jack: only thing I see in "KDE Components" is KDE Resources and Service manager
[05:33] <Psi-Jack> JasonF: KDE Components, Component Chooser
[05:33] <GullyFoyle> Psi-Jack i'm rediscovering the joy of using "screen" and console apps
[05:34] <Psi-Jack> GullyFoyle: Still. BitchX == sick and disgusting. :)
[05:34] <JasonF> Psi-Jack: is no such option
[05:34] <JasonF> oooh, nevermind
[05:34] <Psi-Jack> Not to mention, BitchX is one of the few console IRC clients that actually has had exploits to it.
[05:34] <GullyFoyle> Psi-Jack giant terminal though, easy to read
[05:34] <Psi-Jack> JasonF: Try opening your eye-lids. :)
[05:36] <Psi-Jack> Heh, I do like Konversation's default quit message. Suttle, yet specific.
[05:40] <JasonF> When did Amorok get good? I haven't run KDE in ages
[05:40] <JasonF> it's so much better now
[05:40] <hatake_kakashi> JasonF: so much bloated imo -_- albeit I cannot deny the good thing it has iPod support now
[05:41] <JasonF> hatake_kakashi: I'm a big fan of fully featured media players...I use itunes on windows
[05:41] <hatake_kakashi> JasonF: ahh ha
[05:42] <JasonF> What's a good app to use to view full motion webcam video?
[05:42] <nrdb> when was the last update done to the archives?
[05:43] <Psi-Jack> Is it possible to not have kwallet be used with Kopete, but still be enabled and used by Konqueror and other apps? I don't care to have to always punch in my password just to use kopete, which is what using kwallet will require me.
[05:46] <nrdb> Hi I have been doing regular 'update/upgrade' with adept but nothing has been updated for several weeks now, is this correct?
[05:52] <djzn> how do configure GTK 1.x apps to look better
[05:52] <djzn> GTK 1.x apps have their font extremely HUGE
[05:53] <fit4lfe> damn upgrading to dapper takes a long time
[05:53] <fit4lfe> must be thousands of packages
[05:53] <fit4lfe> lol
[05:54] <Hobbsee> fit4lfe: yeah, it does :)
[05:55] <Psi-Jack> djzn: Well, GTK+ 1.x apps don't use fontconfig like GTK+ 2.x apps do, so literally, you have to use .gtkrc-1.0
[05:55] <djzn> psi: oh yeah?
[05:55] <kamma> djzn: eww what gtk1 apps do you still use?
[05:55] <djzn> kamma: audacity, xmms, mplayer
[05:56] <kamma> djzn: why not kmplayer and bmp
[05:56] <fit4lfe> amarok has so many bugs
[05:56] <Psi-Jack> kmplayer? hmmm
[05:56] <djzn> what is kmplayer?
[05:56] <Psi-Jack> I like amarok. Bugs?
[05:56] <fit4lfe> can['t get it to even load
[05:56] <Psi-Jack> What bugs does amaroK have, cause it never gives me trouble. Ever,
[05:57] <djzn> i just tested amarok, but i didnt think the equalizer is as powerful as xmms one
[05:57] <fit4lfe> I like xmms
[05:57] <kamma> djzn: media player that uses mplayer as the backend
[05:57] <kamma> http://kmplayer.kde.org/
[05:57] <Psi-Jack> djzn: That's because xine's equalizer isn't that great yet. gstreamer's is /slightly/ better, but still crap. I prefer xine, though.
[05:57] <fit4lfe> I just wish mplayer could play wmv files too
[05:57] <brydenn> :(
[05:57] <kamma> xine is way better than gstreamer imo
[05:57] <Psi-Jack> I still like kaffeine, myself.
[05:58] <brydenn> why wont wine do Photoshop CS2 and just 7,0?
[05:58] <brydenn> errrrrrrrr
[05:58] <kamma> i havent tried gstreamer-.10 yet though
[05:58] <JasonF> vlc >>>>>>>>> xine > gstreamer
[05:58] <Psi-Jack> fit4lfe: It can.
[05:58] <Psi-Jack> fit4lfe: Just not DRM encoded ones.
[05:58] <kamma> fit4lfe: do you have w32codecs?
[05:58] <djzn> kmplayer works INSIDE konqui?
[05:58] <djzn> i need something that works outside
[05:59] <Psi-Jack> djzn: Outside, as in, loading up a seperate program not embeded?
[05:59] <kamma> djzn: it does both
[05:59] <djzn> yeah
[05:59] <Psi-Jack> djzn: Kaffiene
[05:59] <Psi-Jack> Kaffeine's plugin does EXACTLY that.
[05:59] <kamma> yea just do kaffeine unless you love mplayer for a backend for w/e reason
[05:59] <fit4lfe> 869 upgraded, 149 newly installed, 65 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
[05:59] <fit4lfe> 469 not fully installed or removed.
[05:59] <fit4lfe> Need to get 508MB/662MB of archives.
[05:59] <djzn> wait here..LOL... the thing is totally taking a new direction. LOL... i just need a gtkrc-1.2 config example
[06:00] <fit4lfe> lol
[06:00] <fit4lfe> wow
[06:00] <kamma> anyone on dapper here and having issues with kaffeine crashing konqueror?
[06:00] <fit4lfe> upgrading to dapper now
[06:00] <fit4lfe> just did a dist-upgrade
[06:00] <kamma> fit4lfe: tell me how it goes.. i had issues and ended up doing a fresh install
[06:01] <fit4lfe> shit
[06:01] <fit4lfe> really
[06:02] <fit4lfe> I have way to much stuff to do a fresh install
[06:02] <Hobbsee> back up /home/
[06:02] <kamma> fit4lfe: you should make a seperate /home partition...
[06:02] <kamma> that's what i did, and no hard in reinstalling here
[06:02] <fit4lfe> you should be to just use your backup sources.list
[06:02] <kamma> hard = harm
[06:03] <fit4lfe> seperate home partition
[06:03] <fit4lfe> sounds a really good idea
[06:03] <fit4lfe> tell me how
[06:04] <kamma> fit4lfe: do you have a spare partition on your drive or somewhere you can back it up to?
[06:04] <kamma> because i did it with the install CD tool
[06:05] <djzn> these GTK 1.x apps.... where are they getting the config from????
[06:05] <fit4lfe> I should have enough space on this drive
[06:05] <kamma> djzn: search on google for .gtkrc example
[06:06] <kamma> fit4lfe: i'm not sure how to resize partitions so good luck with that one :P
[06:06] <fit4lfe> lol
[06:06] <fit4lfe> nice
[06:06] <fit4lfe> I'm going to get screwed when upgrading this arn't I
[06:07] <Hysty> grr bloody hard disk going to sleep and locking the system up
[06:08] <kamma> get another drive in your computer and copy /home over then reformat and repartition :P
[06:08] <JasonF> why is there no w32codecs pacakge?
[06:09] <kamma> you have to download it and manually get it due to copyright issues
[06:10] <Red_Herring> !win32codecs
[06:10] <ubotu> win32codecs is, like, binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[06:10] <fit4lfe> so how bad does dapper crash
[06:10] <fit4lfe> lol
[06:11] <farous> JasonF: for it is property protected and might be illegal to distribute in some countires
[06:12] <Hysty> dapper flight 3 sounds like it is fairly stable
[06:12] <Hysty> i tried downloading it but the server doesnt support resume and with my dialup I need resume
[06:12] <fit4lfe> damn my clock is all screwed up
[06:13] <fit4lfe> 0513 central us time
[06:13] <fit4lfe> wth
[06:17] <JasonF> farous: I know, but it used to be in universe/multiverse, iirc
[06:18] <farous> i never seen in in neither universe nor multiverse i once seen in though in the old backport repos
[06:18] <JasonF> maybe that's it, I just know when I used to run hoary it was in my usual set of repos
[06:18] <JasonF> I must say, KDE and ubuntu have gone a loooong way
[06:18] <farous> anyway might have been someone uploaded in multiverse (community repos than ubuntu guys seen it and removed it
[06:18] <djzn> GTK1.x well i can get the font diminished, but it does look like CRAP
[06:22] <JasonF> hrm
[06:23] <JasonF> how do I tell ubuntu the hardware clock is EST not GMT
[06:23] <fit4lfe> my clock is all scrwed up
[06:23] <thompa> mine too
[06:23] <fit4lfe> something must of happen
[06:24] <fit4lfe> I got 024 us central time right now
[06:24] <fit4lfe> 0524
[06:24] <fit4lfe> lol
[06:24] <thompa> im in central time i think
[06:25] <djzn> now I need a GOOD ripper... in burst mode... does kubuntu have any?
[06:25] <fit4lfe> what does your clock say
[06:25] <fit4lfe> right now
[06:25] <thompa> 032
[06:26] <fit4lfe> dman
[06:26] <fit4lfe> damn
[06:26] <fit4lfe> try to restart xwindows
[06:26] <thompa> its military time
[06:26] <fit4lfe> yes i KNOW
[06:26] <fit4lfe> former marine
[06:26] <thompa> air force here
[06:27] <fit4lfe> there we go just changed over
[06:27] <fit4lfe> 2337 much better
[06:27] <thompa> 2327
[06:27] <fit4lfe> airforce what is your mos
[06:27] <thompa> i was 30333
[06:27] <thompa> electronic warfare
[06:28] <fit4lfe> I want to go sf in airforce
[06:28] <fit4lfe> I heard its great
[06:28] <fit4lfe> best training
[06:29] <thompa> at least we dont get shot at
[06:29] <hatake_kakashi> 15:29:39
[06:29] <fit4lfe> lol
[06:29] <fit4lfe> I like grunt work
[06:30] <fit4lfe> hey are the dapper 64 packages good to go
[06:31] <thompa> loading internet pages is way to slow
[06:31] <JasonF> ahh, fixed it
[06:31] <JasonF> hoorah
[06:33] <fit4lfe> damn is dapper bigger then breezy
[06:33] <fit4lfe> sure seems like it
[06:35] <Psi-Jack> fit4lfe: I doubt it much. You're just having to replace almost /every/ single package you have installed.
[06:35] <fit4lfe> true
[06:36] <fit4lfe> now should I restart xwindows too or doesn;t matter
[06:36] <Psi-Jack> No such thing as xwindows.
[06:36] <fit4lfe> umm
[06:36] <fit4lfe> ok what is it called now
[06:37] <fit4lfe> x-org
[06:37] <Psi-Jack> Heh, open up Konsole, and man X
[06:37] <fit4lfe> shoudl I restart it though
[06:37] <fit4lfe> crtl+alt+backspace
[06:37] <Psi-Jack> I would. If you've already fully dist-upgraded
[06:38] <Psi-Jack> Besides that.
[06:38] <Psi-Jack> If you have fully dist-upgraded, you should reboot.
[06:38] <fit4lfe> am I going to loose my nvidia settings
[06:38] <Psi-Jack> No idea.
[06:38] <Psi-Jack> Probably. heh
[06:38] <fit4lfe> then I loose my nvidia settings
[06:38] <fit4lfe> lol
[06:38] <fit4lfe> if I reboot
[06:38] <osh_> Psi-Jack: xwindows is the common name for "The X windowing system" or whatever it's called. If you say  xwindows everyone knows what you mean...
[06:38] <osh_> Psi-Jack: But I'm sure you knew that.
[06:38] <djzn> where do i place a COLOR.kcsrc file?
[06:38] <Psi-Jack> osh_: That is, however, regardless "common" to you or not, INCORRECT
[06:38] <fit4lfe> yeah I do
[06:39] <Hysty> anyone here compared using Qemu to using Wine?
[06:39] <fit4lfe> ok here we go
[06:39] <Psi-Jack> "xwindows" actually was originally made by the Berkeley guys.. A predessesor (sp?) to what we now know as X.
[06:39] <osh_> Psi-Jack: many things common names that we use are technically incorrect but everyone knows what it it anyway so...
[06:39] <Psi-Jack> But, it didn't really go very far. heh
[06:40] <Psi-Jack> osh_: So, we should all speak of things by their incorrect names, just because it's "common". I refuse. And I will always correct people.
[06:40] <Psi-Jack> X is proper to call X. XWindows, is not.
[06:41] <Hysty> but people claim Windows is stable and it isnt :)
[06:41] <Psi-Jack> Hysty: It is. For the most part, if you only install a small set of programs, and only use those programs. ;)
[06:41] <osh_> Psi-Jack: an example. You know what a dimmer is, right? That's not the correct word for it. Should I not call it a dimmer then? Even though you know exactly what I'm speaking of. Same thing with xwindows.
[06:41] <hatake_kakashi> Hysty: hence the non RASIS/POSIX compliance
[06:42] <Hysty> Psi-Jack, yes indeed
[06:42] <Psi-Jack> osh_: That's comparing a mustang to an elephant and you know it. :p
[06:42] <Hysty> hehe
[06:42] <Hysty> can-o-worms
[06:43] <osh_> Psi-Jack: Not really but I have to go to work now so. But do feel free to correct people. I'm sure noone mind. ;-)
[06:43] <Psi-Jack> Anyway, as I said. It's X, X11, X11R6, or the X Window System, or by product name, XFree86, Xorg, AccelX, MetroX, etc. But Absolutely /not/ XWindows. And I will hold ground on that forever. There is no swaying me from it
[06:44] <Hysty> :P
[06:44] <Hysty> tis better to be called X anyway, at least then it doesnt sound like a shoddy MS product
[06:46] <Psi-Jack> Hysty: Exactly.
[06:47] <Psi-Jack> And, like I said, Berkeley holds the original rights to the name "xwindows".
[06:52] <Ashex> How do I set Kubuntu setup to not use the VGA out on my laptop and use the lcd screen?
[06:53] <Ashex> well, crap
[06:54] <farous> Ashex: set it up in your xorg.conf file
[06:54] <Ashex> any idea how?
[06:54] <farous> hmm you need to edit it
[06:54] <Ashex> well, yeah
[06:54] <farous> and if you do not know how then you should not do it
[06:54] <farous> !fixers
[06:54] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, farous
[06:55] <farous> !fixer
[06:55] <ubotu> farous: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:55] <Ashex> I know how to edit it
[06:55] <farous> anyhow just back up your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[06:55] <hatake_kakashi> I think its dpkg --reconfigure xorg-server
[06:55] <Ashex> I was curious if the specifit values were known, but I'll figure it out
[06:55] <farous> then do a dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:56] <hatake_kakashi> blah, that's probably more like it
[06:56] <farous> Ashex: most cards do not need specific values when it comes to lcd
[06:56] <farous> what card you have
[06:56] <Ashex> ati radeon express 200m
[06:57] <farous> ya it will recognize it
[06:57] <farous> you can set the specific values if you want in the dispaly section
[06:57] <Ashex> editing might get tricky, since I'm still on windows
[06:57] <Ashex> okay
[06:57] <Ashex> a few months back I tried to install ubuntu and had the same problem
[06:57] <Ashex> I fixed this by plugging a monitor in and switching it back
[06:58] <hatake_kakashi> Ashex: you installed ubuntu/kubutu through vmware?
[06:58] <djzn> is there a way to change the boot splash screen???
[06:58] <Ashex> however, I can't switch back to lcd without plugging something into the vga out
[06:58] <Ashex> hatake_kakashi: nope
[06:58] <Ashex> I'm still on windows, completely
[06:58] <hatake_kakashi> Ashex: is your linux partition ext2 or ext3?
[06:58] <farous> Ashex: which monitor you wana set the external or the lcd one
[06:58] <Ashex> lcd
[06:58] <Ashex> I don't have an external monitor :P
[06:59] <farous> ok
[06:59] <farous> just making sure i gave you the right instructions
[06:59] <farous> but normally it fails back to vga if it can not recogn. your lcd or if there is something wrong
[07:00] <Ashex> ok
[07:00] <Ashex> hrm
[07:01] <Ashex> I'm not sure how to go about this in windows...
[07:01] <farous> wait till you boot into linux and do the dpkg -reconfigure command
[07:01] <farous> this is the safest way
[07:02] <Ashex> I don't have linux installed on here at all
[07:02] <farous> and please do not forget to backup your file for it will be re-written and you might not like the result
[07:02] <farous> ok can you open the file and paste it on the pastebin let me have a look at it
[07:03] <Ashex> I don't think you're following me, I'm installing Kubuntu, but I can't set it up since I can't see what I'm doing
[07:04] <hatake_kakashi> Ashex: try appending vga=771 onto it
[07:04] <farous> seems i do not understand installing without seeing?
[07:04] <farous> remote install?
[07:05] <Ashex> The video goes through the vga out as soon as I hit enter when I boot off the kubuntu dvd
[07:05] <Ashex> so nothing displays on the laptop screen
[07:06] <hatake_kakashi> I'm sure you can press specific buttons on laptop to make it appear back on laptop's screen again
[07:06] <hatake_kakashi> Fn+ something
[07:06] <Ashex> hatake_kakashi: that only works if I plug something into the vga out port
[07:07] <Ashex> and I lack that plug
[07:07] <hatake_kakashi> Ashex: huh.. wtf? if you don't plug anything onto the VGA out port on your laptop, it does not show up anything?
[07:08] <Ashex> Kubuntu setup immediately assumes for some reason, that the vga out port on my laptop is the main monitor, so no signal goes to my laptops screen
[07:08] <farous> Ashex: the only time i seen this problem is when configuring dual head on my notebook. seems your port is live somehow
[07:09] <farous> Ashex: do you hear the drums login sound after the system boot
[07:09] <farous> and i know your screen is dead
[07:09] <hatake_kakashi> Ashex: hmm
[07:09] <theball> brydenn: you around?
[07:10] <Ashex> nope
[07:10] <Ashex> I'd just go ahead and have kubuntu run the install and fix it through windows
[07:10] <farous> you do not wait for it to boot or it just hang the pc
[07:10] <Ashex> but Kubuntu installer asks me a few questions before it starts
[07:10] <farous> normally it will go through the boot process with a dead screen
[07:11] <Ashex> farous: I'm pretty sure it wasn't that
[07:11] <Ashex> after you boot off the dvd and are presented with the logo and command line and it says to hit enter to start install and f2 for expert install
[07:11] <farous> Ashex: i want to be on the same wave. your problem is after installation and during the first boot after the install right
[07:12] <Ashex> during install
[07:12] <farous> Ashex: you can just boot usiing a vga press F1 for options and look into them
[07:13] <farous> that at the start of the installation process the very start
[07:13] <Ashex> I'll try that...
[07:13] <Ashex> I'll be back in a few if that doesn't work :/
[07:13] <farous> good luck :)
[07:14] <Ashex> heh, thanks
[07:14] <Hysty> ch-ching
[07:25] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.
[07:26] <Psi-Jack> I'm guessing that there is no ubuntu package for vmware.
[07:27] <Psi-Jack> !vmware
[07:27] <farous> !find vmware
[07:27] <ubotu> xserver-xorg-driver-vmware: (X.Org X server -- VMWare driver), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2-77 (breezy), Packaged size: 79 kB, Installed size: 224 kB
[07:28] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[07:28] <farous> there is a howto for it on ubuntu forums
[07:31] <Psi-Jack> It's not just simple installation, is it?
[07:31] <Hysty> im installing win98 in Qemu atm
[07:31] <farous> i do not remember for i do not use it
[07:32] <farous> and am really getting tired :)
[07:35] <Psi-Jack> Hehe.
[07:35] <Psi-Jack> I tried qemu. It never would actually fully install Windows 2000.
[07:35] <Psi-Jack> And it was horribly slow. So I just re-upped my vmware license, and it runs pretty dang smoothly.
[07:40] <Hysty> yer, its a bit slow on the install process with Win98
[07:40] <Hysty> yet to see if it fully works tho
[07:40] <Hysty> whats vmware worth?
[07:41] <Psi-Jack> Roughly $200 for new licenses, or $100 for upgrades.
[07:41] <Hysty> thats US too
[07:41] <Psi-Jack> Yeah
[07:42] <Hysty> I dont need windows that much to justify AU$350
[07:43] <Hysty> i just need to get my tablet working in Ubuntu
[07:45] <Hysty> of which the pen seems to have gone missing
[07:54] <djzn> how do I make Konqui STICK with the left panel OPEN (F9)
[07:57] <Psi-Jack> Nice..
[07:57] <Psi-Jack> Seems like VMWare Player is even faster than VMWare Workstation. hehe
[07:58] <B1zz> no 3d support tho :(
[07:58] <B1zz> on any of them
[07:58] <Psi-Jack> Oh, I was about to say, that's not just vmware player. ;)
[07:58] <B1zz> :-p
[07:58] <B1zz> all i want is a single game
[07:59] <B1zz> AVP2
[07:59] <B1zz> that is all
[07:59] <djzn> how do I make Konqui STICK with the left panel OPEN (F9)
[07:59] <B1zz> and i would be really happy
[07:59] <Psi-Jack> I don't need 3D stuff. I just use Windows for stuff like updating my watch, or re-uploading the data to my watch because of it rebooting itself. And Dreamweaver, Photoshop, and stuff.
[07:59] <B1zz> ahh i see
[07:59] <B1zz> to your watch?
[07:59] <Psi-Jack> Yeah :)
[08:00] <B1zz> Psi-Jack = secret agent :)
[08:00] <Psi-Jack> heh. No. I just have a Timex DataLink USB watch. :p
[08:00] <_michelle> HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, I am trying to print on my husband's XP computer, and am not having any luck.  I am a newbee at this, and have no clue as to what I am doing. We are trying to set up the printer and it is not working
[08:00] <B1zz> ahh i see
[08:01] <Psi-Jack> _michelle: You just lost my interest in helping you, with that kind of rudeness. :/
[08:02] <B1zz> grrrrr, damn windows.
[08:02] <_michelle> Psi-Jack: I'm sorry if you thought that I was being rude, which I was not,
[08:03] <Psi-Jack> HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <-- == Very bad netiquette, and I deem it, rude. That's me, and others often agree with that.
[08:03] <Ashex> well
[08:03] <Ashex> I got another problem :/
[08:03] <Ashex> setup hangs when installing libkdepim1
[08:04] <Ashex> neither the cd-rom drive nor the external showed any activity
[08:04] <_michelle> sorry , but i hve never done this before, have no idea shat i am doing . all i want is some help
[08:05] <Psi-Jack> _michelle: I see.. Presumably you have learned from this. I presume you are using Kubuntu?
[08:06] <Ashex> any workaround for when setup hangs? or have I gotten le shaft
[08:06] <_michelle> Psi-Jack: yes i am using  Kubuntu
[08:06] <Psi-Jack> _michelle: And... What have you done? What is the problem? You haven't really explained the details surrounding the problem.
[08:07] <Hysty> bah, Qemu and Win98 crashed
[08:08] <_michelle> Psi-Jack: i really do not know what to tell you
[08:08] <Psi-Jack> _michelle: Then, I really can't help you.
[08:08] <Ashex> _michelle: what was the process you went through when you encountered this problem?
[08:09] <Ashex> _michelle: what exactly were you doing?
[08:11] <Ashex> so.....
[08:11] <Psi-Jack> Heh, this is annoying. Trying to get Windows printer drivers for my printer, but Lexmark doesn't have the Z600-specific drivers. LOL
[08:11] <B1zz> i got one better
[08:11] <Ashex> I got this question...
[08:11] <Ashex> that needs this answer....
[08:11] <_michelle> Ashex:  Itried to print a letter from a file in openoffice, and it told me that i did not have a printer connection, my husband tried to get the connection set up and that has not worked
[08:11] <B1zz> can see Kubuntu box from windows but not the other way around!
[08:12] <B1zz> and sambe channel dead
[08:12] <hatake_kakashi> _michelle: I assume you have to make sure that your husband's computer has got the printer shared and that you can see it under the same workgroup
[08:12] <_michelle> Ashex: sorry i am a slow typer
[08:14] <_michelle> hatake_kakashi: yes,it is shared, but i do not know how to go about checking it
[08:14] <hatake_kakashi> _michelle: ok, hit Alt+F2, and in the dialog box type in konsole
[08:14] <hatake_kakashi> when prompted with a window that has got words on it and a big block cursor, type smbtree
[08:16] <hatake_kakashi> what you get is like a small network topology of the name of the workgroup seen by your kubuntu followed by the computers that are part of the network, and then you should be able to see hidden shares along with appropriate shares
[08:18] <_michelle> hatake_kakashi: umm? It printed a bunch of stuff in the black box, what do i do now?
[08:18] <hatake_kakashi> _michelle: ok, do you see your husband's computer name in it along with the words something like printer or something
[08:21] <ita> good morning
[08:21] <_michelle> hatake_kakashi: yes i do, and the one that i am trying to print to is the epsonr200
[08:21] <weedar> KDE freezes if I use the "nvidia" driver instead of the "nv" one. Could it be a wrong setting or is this definetely a broken video card issue?
[08:22] <Psi-Jack> weedar: What model Nvidia?
[08:22] <hatake_kakashi> _michelle: hmm, hang on
[08:22] <hatake_kakashi> !printing
[08:22] <ubotu> from memory, printing is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters or http://www.linuxprinting.org
[08:22] <weedar> Uhm, it's a geforce mx 5200 IIRC Psi-Jack
[08:22] <Psi-Jack> lspci will be more exact. :)
[08:23] <hatake_kakashi> _michelle: that may help, unfortunately I cannot go to those websites as of yet because I'm in the middle of updating and all.. if those guides fail to work, you may need to google for "printing HOWTO"
[08:23] <weedar> sorry Psi-Jack, for some reason I thought lspci only output pci-cards, not agp ones :D
[08:23] <weedar> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]  (rev a1)
[08:24] <Psi-Jack> weedar: AGP is on the PCI bus, actually. Just pumped up 2x, 4x, 8x, etc times. :)
[08:24] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: it should also display AGP as well
[08:24] <Psi-Jack> FX and MX are two completely different things. That's why I had you go do that, since you weren't sure. ;)
[08:25] <weedar> Ah, my mistake :)
[08:25] <Psi-Jack> but, yeah.. That card is definately supported.
[08:25] <weedar> Yes I figured so, I believe I've had it working earlier too, with a previous installation
[08:25] <weedar> But I'm getting an impression this exact card might be buggy
[08:25] <_michelle> hatake_kakashi: ok, i'll try that
[08:26] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: which nvidia package did you get? I hope you didn't get the legacy ones
[08:26] <weedar> uhm
[08:26] <Psi-Jack> Hehe
[08:26] <Psi-Jack> hatake_kakashi: Good thinking.
[08:27] <weedar> I followed this guide - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[08:27] <Psi-Jack> Cool. My printer works in Windows.    Oh well. LOL
[08:29] <weedar> If only my local computer-hardware store had that cheap $30 card I'd just buy that
[08:29] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: just a question of curiousity, why try the latest nvidia drivers?
[08:30] <weedar> why? Well because newer is better?
[08:31] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: well, true, but it could also mean that it may not work well, etc
[08:32] <weedar> What do you suggest hatake_kakashi ?
[08:32] <weedar> btw, I see that for some reason I don't have any of the linux-restricted-module packages installed?
[08:32] <weedar> Could that be the reason?
[08:33] <weedar> ah nevermind, those were the legacy ones
[08:35] <weedar> Are Radeon cards less supported than nvidia? (I'm seriously contemplating getting a new card)
[08:35] <hatake_kakashi> that's what I was told in #linux channel anyway
[08:35] <weedar> If only I could find my receipt I'd go back and complain about this card
[08:36] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: I don't think its anything wrong with the card
[08:37] <weedar> Well my computer also froze earlier (months ago) when I tried to play GTA:San Andreas in windows. Could be a connection. Although I have also played other 3d-games without it freezing..
[08:37] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: it could be overheating problem, are you able to check the temps, etc?
[08:37] <weedar> I wouldn't know how hatake_kakashi
[08:38] <weedar> There doesn't seem to be a connector for temp
[08:38] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: hm
[08:38] <weedar> And if it's overheating from regular use it must be a faulty card
[08:39] <t3nd0> is there an all - in one video codec pack i can download that will let me play most videos
[08:39] <t3nd0> like vlc media for windows
[08:39] <Psi-Jack> Ewwww..
[08:39] <t3nd0> :/
[08:39] <Psi-Jack> All in one codec packs often break Windows.
[08:39] <t3nd0> newp
[08:39] <t3nd0> vlc is good
[08:39] <Psi-Jack> t3nd0: As for VLC..
[08:39] <t3nd0> never had any problems
[08:40] <Psi-Jack> It's NOT a codec pack.
[08:40] <t3nd0> well it does some magic and works
[08:40] <t3nd0> thats what i want
[08:40] <hatake_kakashi> vlc is a standalone versatile player
[08:40] <Psi-Jack> it's a cross platform, network streamable, multi-media standalone player.
[08:40] <t3nd0> k
[08:40] <Psi-Jack> And, guess what.
[08:40] <t3nd0> thats not the answer to my question
[08:40] <Psi-Jack> It's available for Linux.
[08:40] <t3nd0> YAY
[08:40] <hatake_kakashi> !vlc
[08:40] <ubotu> I guess vlc is a video/audio player that supports almost everything - See http://www.videolan.org/ for more information (VLC is in the repos)
[08:40] <B1zz> heheh
[08:40] <B1zz> ding ding ding you win!
[08:41] <Psi-Jack> t3nd0: If you noticed. I did answer your question, with "cross platform." :)
[08:41] <hatake_kakashi> it doesn't hurt to view their website
[08:41] <t3nd0> thanks :D
[08:42] <Psi-Jack> Ugh.
[08:42] <Psi-Jack> Fricken Kubuntu symantecs.. :/
[08:42] <weedar> relaxen und watschen das blinkenlichten?
[08:42] <Psi-Jack> I just want my desktop icons to use my filemanager profile, and NOT the webbrowser profile if it's up. :/
[08:43] <hatake_kakashi> was? Sprechen sie bisschen Deutsch ^^
[08:45] <Psi-Jack> Ich werde die folgende Person tten, um Deutsches zu sprechen.
[08:45] <_sandro> hi is there a reason to use "synaptic" instead of "adept" ?!
[08:45] <weedar> leider spreche ich nicht Deutsch, ich erindert nur ein bisschen von der schule
[08:45] <B1zz> eh?
[08:45] <weedar> So to prevent embarssing myself further I'll stick to english ;)
[08:46] <Psi-Jack> Thank you.
[08:46] <hatake_kakashi> heh
[08:46] <Psi-Jack> B1zz: I said, the next person to speak German, I'm gonna kill. :)
[08:46] <B1zz> heheh
[08:46] <hatake_kakashi> ita: nfi
[08:46] <ita> im trying to install my ati gfx board at the moment. and the installer fails cause i think i dont have kernel headers installed .. howto tells me to use synaptic .. i dont have that .. is it ok to dl the headers via adept `?
[08:46] <B1zz> weedar dead :-p
[08:46] <Psi-Jack> Ironically, weedar spoke in German, right after that statement. :)
[08:46] <ita> "nfi" ?!
[08:47] <weedar> Oh sorry Psi-Jack, I didn't read that. (although I did unerstand your german once I read it)
[08:47] <hatake_kakashi> ita: no fscking idea
[08:47] <Psi-Jack> Hehe.
[08:47] <ita> thats a great help, thank you
[08:47] <Psi-Jack> weedar: I speak fish very god.
[08:47] <Psi-Jack> good.
[08:47] <weedar> "very god" is a nice term :)
[08:47] <Psi-Jack> Thank you. :)
[08:48] <weedar> ita, you can use adept instead - They're both front-ends to apt-get anyway :)
[08:48] <Psi-Jack> Afterall, I know a friend who's nicknamed, Lord Gott. :)
[08:48] <weedar> hehe
[08:48] <Psi-Jack> Well, I should say, I /have/ a friend, nicknamed thaty. :p
[08:49] <Psi-Jack> Je parle franais aussi bien que beaucoup d'autres langues.
[08:49] <B1zz> no pero hablo espanol
[08:50] <Psi-Jack> That's French.
[08:50] <hatake_kakashi> thats French B1zz
[08:50] <B1zz> yeah i know :)
[08:50] <Psi-Jack> I can do Japanese too.
[08:50] <Psi-Jack> anime afterall
[08:50] <weedar> wow, Mr. Multilingual in the house?
[08:50] <B1zz> i said no but i can talk spanish
[08:50] <weedar> or did you just use babelfish? :P
[08:50] <Psi-Jack> As I said, I speak fish very well. :)
[08:51] <B1zz> hehe
[08:51] <weedar> :D
[08:51] <B1zz> was gonna ask
[08:51] <Psi-Jack> But it is cool to see that Konversation handles Kanji rather well. :)
[08:51] <weedar> I actually did learn german in school, but at this point babelfish would probably result in beter german than what I could produce
[08:51] <B1zz> what fish was but, i though it was a net term so i shut up :-p
[08:52] <Psi-Jack> Z babelfish! The ultimate translator of translators of translators!
[08:52] <Psi-Jack> s/The/Z/
[08:52] <hatake_kakashi> Das ist mir doch scheissegal
[08:52] <hatake_kakashi> :P
[08:53] <hatake_kakashi> ^^
[08:53] <Psi-Jack> Sorry.. I've had literally nothing but coffee and home-made frappuccino's today.
[08:53] <B1zz> 0_o
[08:53] <weedar> It's okay, we were actually just discussing how "Z" should be used instead of "The" anyway
[08:54] <weedar> But please enlighten me as to how you were able to misspell a three-letter word with one letter, which incidentally isn't near most of the letters in "the"?
[08:55] <Psi-Jack> Art thou questioning my accent?!
[08:55] <weedar> Ah, you're french
[08:57] <Psi-Jack> LOL. No. I'm just wierd.
[08:57] <weedar> oh :)
[08:58] <Psi-Jack> I ran out of Dr. Pepper yesterday, and didn't go get anymore today, so I've had, like I said, coffee, and frappuccino's all day today.
[08:59] <weedar> You might consider geting some actual breakfast soon
[08:59] <Psi-Jack> Guess you could say, I'm probably a little high on the caffeine. ;)
[08:59] <Psi-Jack> weedar: heh. I've actually had breakfast... Like.. Umm.. 16 hours ago?
[09:00] <weedar> Oh yeah, timezones..
[09:00] <weedar> Everything would be so much easier if everyone lived in Europe and Africa
[09:00] <Psi-Jack> heh
[09:00] <Psi-Jack> I dunno man. I don't think my printer would be to A4 friendly. ;}
[09:01] <Psi-Jack> s/to/too
[09:01] <weedar> Yeah what's up with that. If there exist a standard for something you can be sure that Americans have their own standard for it
[09:01] <weedar> exist/exists
[09:01] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. It's ridiculous, really.
[09:05] <weedar> Im going to try and install the nvidia-drivers directly from nvidia, but it needs to be in non-X-mode to do so. How am I able to close X and only run console?
[09:05] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: Ctrl+Alt+Fx where x is the number for F1 to F6, F7 is X
[09:06] <weedar> but that only opens a console hatake_kakashi, X will still be running once I press Ctrl+Alt+F7
[09:06] <Psi-Jack> THERE.
[09:07] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: Xorg is just a GUI server, when you install the modules, etc the Xorg needs to be killed and once you are set, you need to startx again
[09:07] <Psi-Jack> I finally got my desktop icons to open the filemanagement profile, instead of loading into my existing webbrowser profile konqueror!
[09:07] <weedar> Psi-Jack, how?
[09:08] <Ashex> I ran into a slight problem
[09:08] <Psi-Jack> weedar: It's actually easy.. Ish..  I have unmounted/mounted media come up on my desktop, for one.
[09:08] <weedar> hatake_kakashi, so I should open a process, kill the xorg process and when done run startx?
[09:08] <Ashex> actually, I just need to know how to tell where the mount points are
[09:08] <Psi-Jack> I right clicked the DVD drive, and went to properties. I hit the Wrench button next to Unmounted DVD, and
[09:08] <weedar> Ashex, /media is common, check out /etc/fstab for information on where your partitions are mounted
[09:09] <Psi-Jack> For the Konqueror Application, I edited it. Switched to the Application tab, changed the name to File Manager, and the command to: kfmclient openProfile filemanagement %u
[09:09] <Ashex> weedar: I'm setting up Kubuntu on an external, I'm running Rescue mode off the dvd, and I'm not sure which mount point I should have used
[09:09] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: when you go on Ctrl+Alt+F1, etc, its a tty, a real terminal, from there its better to kill X
[09:09] <Ashex> I chose the wrong one so now I'm stuck at the final step where I need to modify the grub loader
[09:09] <Psi-Jack> It defaults to like kfmclient openURL %u inode/directory
[09:10] <weedar> hatake_kakashi, sorry, that was what I ment i should had a brainfart when I wrote that last sentence :)
[09:10] <weedar> -should
[09:10] <hatake_kakashi> ah
[09:10] <weedar> I might not be as awake as I first though
[09:10] <Psi-Jack> THAT will fix your inode/directory association globally.
[09:12] <Psi-Jack> I knew if I dug deep enough, I would find it, and fix it.
[09:12] <ita> i need to get "linux-headers" ... should i get "linux-headers-myKernelVersion" or "linux-headers-myKernelVersion-Architecture" ?!
[09:13] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.
[09:13] <Psi-Jack> Kubuntu.org has a wiki, doesn't it? :)
[09:14] <Psi-Jack> I want to submit this suggestion to fix the konqueror profile usage.. :)
[09:14] <ita> well its not that eloquent on my issues
[09:15] <Psi-Jack> ita: Excuse me?
[09:15] <Hobbsee> Psi-Jack: sure it does - wiki.kubuntu.org - but i'm not sure that's the most appropriate place for it
[09:16] <Psi-Jack> Hobbsee: Why not? Most /everyone/ complains about it.
[09:16] <Hobbsee> i think that's being discussed in the meeting tomorrow
[09:16] <Psi-Jack> Yet.. Nobody knows how to fix it. And it's actually something Kubuntu packaging did to break it.
[09:17] <Psi-Jack> Meeting? Tomorrow?
[09:19] <ita> im saying that i see the effort people put into kubuntu.org wiki and all that and i appreciate that .. but what i find there does not help me at all with issues im dealing with for 2 days now (evolution -> exchange / cifs mounts via mount -t cifs and or /etc/fstab and installing my ati 9600) ... so i keep on asking here .. i know wiki, i know google and i used that ..
[09:20] <Psi-Jack> ita: What is your current need?
[09:20] <ita> a coffee and a cigarette :)
[09:21] <Psi-Jack> Done! *snaps his fingers*
[09:21] <ita> wizzzzzzard
[09:21] <Psi-Jack> BTW, It may take up to 22 years for them to finally arrive.
[09:22] <Psi-Jack> ita: Seriously, now. What is your current need?
[09:23] <Psi-Jack> I got an idea. I may just make a KDE Tips & Tricks wiki.. If wiki.kubuntu.org will ever let me save.
[09:24] <ita> at the moment im installing the ati prop driver 8.22.5 and my last question was whether to get linux-headers-KERNEL_Version or linux-headers-KERNEL_Verision-Architecture .. (i chose the the one with arch)
[09:24] <Psi-Jack> Ahh. Yeah. That's probably a good idea. Less clutter and crap, basically.
[09:25] <Psi-Jack> No need for the sparc, irix, etc. headers, when all you have is cisc x86
[09:34] <weedar> Just killing Xorg didn't work
[09:34] <Psi-Jack> Working on my Wiki. :)
[09:35] <ita> no its getting funny here .. ati installer runs through - tells me there where errors and points me to a fglrx-install.log file which i 0 bytes in size
[09:35] <ita> s/no/now
[09:35] <Hobbsee> Psi-Jack: sure, Thu, Feb 16th 2006 - 20:00 UTC -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings -- be there
[09:35] <Hobbsee> not sure who's talking in it though
[09:35] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. That for this channel?
[09:36] <Hobbsee> well it's for the kubuntu-developers team, so i dunno
[09:36] <Hobbsee> i'm sure that'll be discussed in it though
[09:38] <Psi-Jack> heh. One could hope.
[09:43] <Psi-Jack> Well, it's basic, and yet, informative, but it's up. https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PsiJack
[09:43] <Psi-Jack> I'm probably going to go and do many of those little tiny KDE tweaks people (including myself) get annoyed with. ;)
[09:44] <weedar> Any suggestions as to how I can stop xorg completely?
[09:44] <Kurt``> ctrl-alt-backspace ?
[09:44] <weedar> Only run in console
[09:44] <Psi-Jack> kill -9 it's pid?
[09:44] <weedar> that only restartx xorg
[09:45] <Psi-Jack> Or do you mean kdm?
[09:45] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: kill -9 `pidof Xorg`
[09:45] <weedar> I'll try that
[09:45] <Psi-Jack> If you mean to stop kdm, the Display Manager, where you login at, is to use /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[09:45] <ubijtsa> weedar: edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager and put a '!' at the start of the line
[09:46] <Psi-Jack> hatake_kakashi: Actually, just X
[09:46] <Psi-Jack> pidof X
[09:46] <Psi-Jack> ubijtsa: Umm.
[09:46] <hatake_kakashi> Psi-Jack: ahh yeah that
[09:46] <hatake_kakashi> my bad
[09:46] <ubijtsa> Psi-Jack: well, it'll stop it from starting at boot :)
[09:47] <weedar> but I want it to stop from restarting now, I just wan to install nvidia-drivers
[09:47] <Psi-Jack> ubijtsa: At boot.. Hmm, yes.. True. Is that what weedar wants?
[09:47] <ubijtsa> rather than messing with removing symlinks in /etc/rc?.d
[09:47] <Psi-Jack> weedar: /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[09:47] <Psi-Jack> ubijtsa: That's easy. update-rc.d makes it very easy.
[09:47] <ubijtsa> Psi-Jack: until you update Xorg yes
[09:48] <ubijtsa> then the links come back
[09:48] <Psi-Jack> Not if you divert. :)
[09:48] <ubijtsa> hmm. true
[09:48] <Psi-Jack> heh
[09:48] <Psi-Jack> I don't know dpkg and apt all /too/ well, but I learn painfully fast. :)
[09:49] <ubijtsa> But it took me most of yesterday getting there
[09:49] <Psi-Jack> That, and I've used Debian before. Many many eons ago.
[09:49] <ubijtsa> :)
[09:49] <weedar> If I disappear that means it worked Psi-Jack  (hopefully)
[09:50] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[09:50] <Psi-Jack> I assume.. it worked.
[09:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:50] <Hobbsee> *page
[09:50] <Hobbsee> ubijtsa2: yay!
[09:50] <Psi-Jack> Hobbsee: Good little short, Wiki, I wrote for now, though, eh?
[09:50] <ubijtsa> Hobbsee: heh
[09:50] <Hobbsee> yeah - not sure if many people will see it
[09:50] <ice_1963> psi-jack: that's what i'm running right now
[09:51] <ubijtsa> Hobbsee: url?
[09:51] <Psi-Jack> ice_1963: Hmm?
[09:51] <Hobbsee> ubijtsa: to my wiki page?
[09:51] <ubijtsa> da
[09:51] <ice_1963> kde 3.5.1 etch
[09:51] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hobbsee
[09:51] <Hobbsee> where else would it be?
[09:51] <Psi-Jack> Maybe I can get a !keyword to my wiki somehow. :)
[09:51] <Psi-Jack> Just like mine. https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PsiJack
[09:51] <ice_1963> kernel <IP_ADDRESS> lol
[09:52] <Psi-Jack> Except the WIKI STRIPPED my -!
[09:52] <ubijtsa> ah.. I used my WikiName
[09:52] <ubijtsa> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndersKarlsson
[09:52] <Hobbsee> either work, i think
[09:53] <ubijtsa> maybe
[09:54] <ubijtsa> GNumeric being one
[09:59] <Psi-Jack> heh
[09:59] <ubijtsa> Ya ya, I run KDE and use GNumeric...
[09:59] <Psi-Jack> Has anyone tried that kfmclient profile trick yet? :)
[10:05] <Psi-Jack> I just added how to make the change globally, as well as just for a single user. :}
[10:05] <Psi-Jack> On that note, I must sleep.
[10:06] <ubijtsa> needs even *lol*
[10:07] <Psi-Jack> heh
[10:07] <ubijtsa> (and before anyone asks HOW I could mistype that - I use Dvorak
[10:07] <ubijtsa> )
[10:07] <Psi-Jack> Definately sleep time.
[10:07] <Psi-Jack> ubijtsaStandard, LH, or RH?
[10:07] <ubijtsa> Standard
[10:08] <Psi-Jack> I switch, sometimes. Mostly between LH and Standard.
[10:08] <Psi-Jack> I want that programmable keyboard that would work so perfectly with the whole switching concept. :D
[10:08] <Psi-Jack> Blah, anyway. Sleep. Night
[10:08] <ubijtsa> I add some switches to setxkbmap for compose, that works for me
[10:09] <ubijtsa>  :)
[10:18] <^rob^> hi
[10:18] <^rob^> Can somebody help me with lvm? = i have a hdd - where /dev/hda3 is a lvm partition - lvm lvscan say that the partitions found there are inactive - how do i make them active?
[10:20] <ubijtsa> ^rob^: vgchange -ay
[10:20] <^rob^> ty
[10:20] <ubijtsa> np
[10:20] <weedar> It worked!
[10:36] <neosc> I just got Ubuntu to connect to the net.. no wi need to hear some sound.. i have simple 2 piece speakers.. ubuntu hasnt recognized them... what do i do?
[10:41] <neosc> lo??
[10:42] <Hysty> you need to get your soundcard working
[10:42] <Hysty> do you know what sort of soundcard is installed?
[10:42] <neosc> its inbuilt on the motherboard..
[10:43] <neosc> and i do have the motherboard CD
[10:43] <neosc> but i dont think it has linux drivers
[10:43] <neosc> I think it was realtek audio..
[10:43] <Hysty> if its built into the mainboard then it should be a fairly basic card
[10:44] <Hysty> you are getting no sound at all?
[10:44] <neosc> nope
[10:44] <neosc> none at all
[10:44] <Hysty> are you in kde?
[10:44] <neosc> ububtu.. gnome
[10:45] <ubijtsa> you can from a terminal do 'cat /dev/sndstat' and see if you have devices recognised.
[10:45] <Hysty> go to 'Applications' then System Tools, then click on 'Ubuntu Device Database'
[10:46] <neosc> gone
[10:47] <Hysty> neosc, the first thing in there is an audio test
[10:47] <neosc> yes,.. i hear nothing..
[10:47] <neosc> rest worked perfectly
[10:47] <Hysty> neosc, does it show up a detected card?
[10:48] <Hysty> sure the speakers are plugged in properly?
[10:48] <neosc> yupp.. work fine in windows
[10:49] <Hysty> what is the model card it is showing up?
[10:50] <neosc> if i try to run the volume meter.. i get "cannot connect to sound deamon please run 'esd' at command prompt"
[10:51] <Hysty> did you run the 'cat /dev/sndstat' that ubijtsa mentioned?
[10:52] <neosc> no!.. i installed linux yesterday.. cud you be a little specific
[10:53] <Hysty> open up a terminal window (applications, accessories, terminal)
[10:53] <Hysty> then type in 'cat /dev/sndstat' and hit enter
[11:03] <sniff> oh dear....
[11:03] <sniff> here i am again rotting in the irc channel, i think linux means too much to me
[11:04] <hatake_kakashi> patience and persistence... patience and persistence.. patience and persistence.. :D
[11:05] <Hysty> ch-ching
[11:05] <sniff> well you know what amazing thing i stumbled upon today...
[11:05] <hatake_kakashi> what?
[11:05] <sniff> the tea cooker in kde toys
[11:05] <hatake_kakashi> heh
[11:05] <sniff> absolutely marvelous :D
[11:05] <sniff> that made my day
[11:06] <Hysty> tea cooker?
[11:06] <sniff> god my life is so meaningless, the only thing i can look forward to is my next cuppa
[11:06] <sniff> yeah  KTeaTime
[11:06] <sniff> atleast with this i can brew it perfectly
[11:06] <Hysty> cant drink tea
[11:06] <Hysty> makes me want to puke
[11:06] <sniff> hehe
[11:07] <Hysty> so its strong coffees for me
[11:07] <sniff> well right now i'm in china, tea is their speciality, i'm sure there is one you'd like
[11:07] <Hysty> yer, probably
[11:07] <Hysty> i dont like instant coffee either so I only make plunger style or whatever
[11:08] <Hysty> when I can be bothered
[11:08] <sniff> Hysty: fuss person!
[11:08] <SoloS> hi
[11:08] <sniff> mind you, i always owned a filter coffe machine
[11:09] <sniff> digikam has also made me rather happy, apart from something that doesn't work in it
[11:10] <Hysty> yer too fussy
[11:10] <ubijtsa> espresso coffee - or no coffee
[11:10] <ubijtsa> weak coffee is pointless, so is polluting it with sugar or milk
[11:11] <Hysty> no tablet users in here yet?
[11:11] <sniff> ubijtsa: quite so, except when the coffee is of inferior quality, stirring in some sugar/milk can be advantageous
[11:11] <sniff> any of you installed pkgsrc?
[11:12] <ubijtsa> sniff: colombian or kenyan coffee, roasted italian style..
[11:13] <sniff> ubijtsa: sounds like a nescafe advert to me
[11:13] <Hysty> yay my kubuntu-desktop has finished downloading
[11:13] <sniff> if I have a choice I opt for a dreg of Illy
[11:14] <sniff> although I've been known to be happy sipping Lavazza
[11:16] <ubijtsa> lavazza is nice
[11:16] <ubijtsa> again, italian roast :)
[11:16] <sniff> now to make my day complete, i need to find out where kweather has been installed.... any suggestions?
[11:16] <Hysty> welcome to #ubuntucoffeemachine
[11:17] <sniff> heyhey!
[11:17] <ubijtsa> dpkg -L kweather  ?
[11:17] <sniff> what this do?
[11:17] <ubijtsa> lists the files the package installed
[11:17] <Hysty> brb
[11:17] <sniff> ah well it's installed
[11:17] <sniff> how i make it work?
[11:18] <ubijtsa> add applet to panel? :)
[11:18] <sniff> nope
[11:18] <sniff> should be under TOYS
[11:18] <sniff> but i just got my tea timer there
[11:19] <sniff> in run dialoge i type kweather
[11:19] <sniff> not found
[11:20] <sniff> why am i the only sad git in #ubuntucoffeemachine?
[11:20] <Hysty> excellent
[11:21] <sniff> Hysty: your restart ok?
[11:22] <sniff> oh my god
[11:22] <Hysty> yup, kde up and running nicely
[11:23] <sniff> anything i do on the computer it says "su returned with an error"
[11:23] <sniff> i try to run adept, or change the time
[11:23] <paines> hi
[11:23] <sniff> oh ffs only yesterday i reinstalled the bloody thing
[11:24] <hatake_kakashi> might be helpful if there is a log explaining why, don't know but it could be under kernel message buffer
[11:24] <sniff> hatake_kakashi: where is this log?
[11:24] <paines> I would like to settup printing with kprinter via smb. but smb is grayed out. anyone know why ?
[11:24] <sniff> paines: me thinks you either need to install smb or enter administrator mode
[11:24] <hatake_kakashi> sniff: hmm a rough assumption would be somewhere in /var/log.. but I don't know which
[11:25] <paines> sniff, tried both already
[11:25] <Hysty> paines, installed smbfs?
[11:25] <paines> Hysty, let me check
[11:27] <sniff> paines: then i'm all out of ideas!
[11:27] <paines> Hysty, no success. installed it.
[11:27] <paines> sniff, try sudo su. and you become root. and then execute your root commands
[11:27] <paines> too late
[11:29] <callie> sudo -i works too
[11:31] <callie> it seems odd but now i use linux i really wish i'd gone to uni
[11:31] <orion_fr_24> !flash
[11:31] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[11:32] <hatake_kakashi> callie: for the speeds? heh
[11:32] <callie> speeds?
[11:32] <callie> no... to learn stuff
[11:32] <callie> duh
[11:32] <hatake_kakashi> ah
[11:32] <callie> :D
[11:33] <paines> you can learn stuff without uni either
[11:33] <callie> true
[11:33] <callie> but it would be nice to be with other like minded people
[11:34] <callie> kinda like here i guess
[11:34] <hatake_kakashi> heh
[11:34] <hatake_kakashi> you just contradicted yourself somewhat ;)
[11:34] <callie> not really
[11:34] <callie> there are similarities
[11:34] <paines> callie, with other minded people being together if un in the begning, but starts sucking really soon
[11:34] <paines> believe me
[11:35] <paines> expecially for universities
[11:35] <paines> speaking for germany
[11:35] <sniff> 4 years in english unis - enjoyed every moment of it!
[11:35] <callie> i just wish i had given my brain a better chance
[11:35] <callie> it needs infomation word things!
[11:35] <callie> n stuff
[11:36] <callie> english unis? or english studen unions?
[11:36] <callie> +t
[11:36] <sniff> well both as it happens
[11:36] <callie> :D
[11:37] <sniff> into uni for lectures and then onto the union to numb the mind on beer
[11:37] <callie> exactly
[11:37] <callie> which uni?
[11:37] <sniff> and then lecture
[11:37] <sniff> and then work
[11:37] <sniff> then home
[11:37] <sniff> and then club
[11:37] <sniff> i went to Southampton and Plymouth unis
[11:38] <callie> cool, I've heard good things about Plymouth Uni
[11:38] <callie> is Hobbsee still here?
[11:38] <Hobbsee> callie: indeed
[11:38] <callie> hey
[11:39] <sniff> well i think the best thing about it is that it has two excellent bars (Bar R and Cuba) right across the road, perfect for mid-day cocktails
[11:39] <paines> lol
[11:39] <callie> Hobbsee, i was wandering if there was anything we or you could do to get host masking implimented on this server?
[11:39] <cion> hey all can someone help me with these instructions i don't understand (Im noob)http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=28743
[11:39] <Hobbsee> host masking?  on the IP addresses?
[11:39] <callie> or if there was any reason it doesnt do it already that is Hobbsee
[11:39] <callie> yeah
[11:43] <m0ns00n> did anyone notice problems with xmlhttprequest under the newest konqueror version?
[11:44] <sniff> is someone able to tell me if they have digikam installed and what version it is please/...?
[11:44] <rockbar> hey dudes :)
[11:45] <sniff> rockbar: dude
[11:45] <apokryphos> sniff: /msg ubotu info digikam
[11:46] <sniff> i was wondering what version someone had
[11:46] <sniff> and if they are able to access the batch-processing sub-menu
[11:50] <sniff> hatake_kakashi: are you still around?
[11:51] <hatake_kakashi> sniff: yup
[11:51] <hatake_kakashi> sniff: btw
[11:52] <hatake_kakashi> sniff: paines said to use sudo
[11:52] <hatake_kakashi> err sudo su
[11:52] <sniff> i restarted the comp, and it solved that problem
[11:53] <sniff> i thought coming on to linux i could avoid these windows style restarts
[11:53] <sniff> guess i was hoping for too much
[11:53] <hatake_kakashi> sniff: generally that should be the case
[11:53] <hatake_kakashi> sniff: I assume you had errors whilst in GUI?
[11:54] <hatake_kakashi> sniff: should= should not*
[11:54] <hatake_kakashi> hmm I really need my next dose of energy lol
[11:55] <sniff> linux is less stable?
[11:56] <hatake_kakashi> sniff: no, but it depends, if you do like to mess with things alot, things can become frustrating
[11:56] <sniff> :D
[11:56] <sniff> you know me too well
[11:56] <sniff> hatake_kakashi: do you have digikam installed?
[11:57] <hatake_kakashi> sniff: nah
[11:58] <sniff> bummer
[11:58] <kosh> you only need to restart if you replace the kernel
[11:58] <hatake_kakashi> sniff: I know that linux can be frustrating, but I'm sure it does not constantly require restarts.. unlike windows where its heavily dependent on the GUI side, in linux, its just a matter of restarting and/or killing and starting x again
[11:58] <sniff> shift+backspace?
[11:58] <sniff> ctrl+alt+bakspace
[11:59] <kosh> you can kill x and just start it up again
[11:59] <Hobbsee> callie: i think it's to stop using people using anonymous proxies, which become a havoc for banning - but i'm not that much of an expert on IRC at all, really...
[12:00] <hatake_kakashi> sniff: Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[12:00] <hatake_kakashi> if that does not work, try going into console, kill it and start it again from there
[12:00] <callie> Hobbsee, thats why the server hides the hosts, it gives everyone privacy but ops and admins can still see the hosts true identity
[12:01] <Hobbsee> ah ok - i have no idea, sorry
[12:01] <hatake_kakashi> callie: you mean hostmasking? why do you want that
[12:01] <callie> hatake_kakashi, scroll up
[12:03] <hatake_kakashi> callie: you may have to talk to lilo (netadmin I think) about that.. but I don't really see there is a need to cover up such identities
[12:04] <callie> if there was no need for host masking then why would it exist in the first place?
[12:04] <hatake_kakashi> people feel insecure
[12:04] <hatake_kakashi> imo :)
[12:06] <callie> or just that people have a right to privacy and anonymity
[12:40] <snoozix> is there a way to do this?
[12:45] <snoozix> is there an additional software equalizer that i can use with alsa applications (xmms)? the builtin eq in xmms does not satisfy my needs at all and it sounds crappy.
[12:46] <apokryphos> snoozix: my advice: don't use bad players like xmms
[12:46] <snoozix> apokryphos: xmms is a great mp3 player software.
[12:46] <apokryphos> no, it's lame mp3 software
[12:47] <apokryphos> considering *any* of the competition
[12:47] <snoozix> apokryphos: i couldn't think of any other player that is as good.
[12:47] <apokryphos> snoozix: heh, try...... erm, *any* other one.
[12:47] <apokryphos> !players