[08:42] <karlhewer> need som advise plz
[08:43] <karlhewer> Is this the right place to get some advise?
[08:44] <karlhewer> Just need to chat with a server wiz for 2 mins
[08:45] <bekks> Starting to ask your actual question would be a good beginning :)
[08:50] <karlhewer> Ahh
[08:51] <karlhewer> Rite o
[08:51] <karlhewer> Just want to know if sharing folders, files from my server to wan pcs
[08:52] <karlhewer> Is the best way to go about this with openvpn and samba?
[08:52] <karlhewer> Or is there a standard way that is preferd
[08:52] <bekks> "wan pcs" are Windows clients only?
[08:52] <karlhewer> Sorry
[08:52] <karlhewer> Over the internet
[08:53] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:54] <karlhewer> google has all the answersi know but there is conflicting answers
[08:54] <bekks> "wan pcs" are Windows clients only?
[08:55] <karlhewer> i want to be able to share my folders n files from my server to friends pc's over the internet
[08:55] <karlhewer> Im doing it localy through samba
[08:56] <lordievader> karlhewer: You'd do good in answering bekks question.
[08:56] <karlhewer> oh thats a question
[08:56] <karlhewer> Lan = local area network, wan = network over the world wide web
[08:57] <karlhewer> I think
[08:57] <bekks> The question mark indicates a question, yes.
[08:57] <bekks> Are the wan computers Windows clients, or smart phones, or whatever?
[08:57] <bekks> I do know what a WAN is.
[08:57] <karlhewer> Oh
[08:57] <lordievader> I don't think the question was about the wan part, but about the Windows part.
[08:57] <karlhewer> Mainly windows clients
[08:58] <bekks> Mainly?
[08:58] <karlhewer> Smart phones will be local only
[08:58] <bekks> What are the other WAN clients?
[08:58] <karlhewer> Most of the clients will be windows at friends houses
[08:58] <bekks> What are the other WAN clients?
[08:58] <karlhewer> Other clients will be android os
[09:00] <karlhewer> Maybe apple phones but i dont care about them as long as windows and android can see my server shares from wan ill be happy
[09:00] <lordievader> I'd say ipsec + samba.
[09:03] <karlhewer> Ok would that still be the best option if i was creating a openvpn anyway
[09:03] <lordievader> Not sure if openvpn supports tunneling samba. Openvpn is application layer.
[09:04] <karlhewer> Ok thats what i was unsure about
[09:10] <karlhewer> anyone else got any veiws on how i should set this up
[10:58] <karlhewer> Would u experts say its ok to run samba through openvpn to wan windows clients
[10:58] <karlhewer> Or is there a much better way
[11:02] <lordievader> I get the feeling it won't work. But please do investigate.
[11:04] <maxb> I don't see why it couldn't work, but CIFS + WAN == Horribly Slow, usually
[11:18] <karlhewer> Slow.... how much slower
[11:19] <karlhewer> what is the common practise to share folders through wan, while still being mounted on the windows network tree at boot
[11:19] <maxb> In my experience it's *highly* dependent on the latency between client and server
[11:20] <maxb> My common practice is to not use Windows :-)
[11:20] <karlhewer> Ikr
[11:21] <karlhewer> I would dedicate my home to linux if the game suport was there.. and my friends are to lazy to learn a new os
[11:23] <maxb> You can probably get CIFS to work OK within a country, provided the client's internet connection isn't too terrible.
[11:23] <maxb> Transatlantic CIFS however, will be nasty
[11:24] <karlhewer> we all have fibre internet and gigabyte lans
[11:25] <karlhewer> And small country, new zealand
[13:23] <StathisA> good evening...this cron job does not start: "/usr/bin/rsnapshot hourly >> /home/user/detailed_logs/hourly_$(date +%Y%m%d_%H%M%S).log 2>&1". I suspect its because the "space" between "date" and "+"...is there another way to do it so that it runs? - this works fin in the cli, but in cron it does not start
[13:25] <lordievader> StathisA: What does the logs say about it?
[13:26] <StathisA> var/log/syslog: CRON[1386]: (root) CMD (   /usr/bin/rsnapshot hourly >> /home/st4t1c/detailed_logs/hourly_$(date +)
[13:26] <StathisA> just that
[13:26] <StathisA> no errors
[13:27] <lordievader> The file is not created?
[13:28] <lordievader> Ah, that command misses things ;)
[13:29] <StathisA> yes
[13:30] <StathisA> the command in the cron job is full and working in the cli
[13:30] <lordievader> StathisA: What I mean is the command in the logs is missing things. That is likely your problem.
[13:30] <StathisA> but somehow when the time comes, cron cannot "read" it fully, and i suspect it "stops" in the "(date +" portion
[13:30] <lordievader> Likely lack of escapes.
[13:31] <lordievader> Try "/usr/bin/rsnapshot hourly >> /home/user/detailed_logs/hourly_$(date '+%Y%m%d_%H%M%S').log 2>&1" as a start.
[13:31] <StathisA> let me try that, thanks
[13:37] <StathisA> " CRON[1554]: (root) CMD (   /usr/bin/rsnapshot hourly >> /home/user/detailed_logs/hourly_$(date '+)"
[13:37] <StathisA> not files yet
[13:37] <StathisA> no*
[13:38] <lordievader> Escape the '%', then.
[13:38] <StathisA> like how?
[13:38] <lordievader> \%
[13:38] <StathisA> hmmm
[13:38] <StathisA> with or without single quotes?
[13:39] <StathisA> how can this work in shell and not in cron..:-S
[13:40] <lordievader> Likely different parsings.
[13:45] <StathisA> CRON[1586]: (root) CMD (   /usr/bin/rsnapshot hourly >> /home/user/detailed_logs/hourly_$(date '+%Y)
[13:46] <StathisA> thats the syslog with \%
[13:46] <lordievader> Err, how does the script look like now?
[13:47] <StathisA> "/usr/bin/rsnapshot daily >> home/user/detailed_logs/daily_$(date '+\%Y%m%d_%H%M%S').log 2>&1"
[13:47] <lordievader> Yeah, I ment escape all the %'s.
[13:48] <StathisA> ok i'll try, doh ><
[13:50] <StathisA> heh, it started now ><
[13:50] <StathisA> thanks a lot!
[13:51] <lordievader> ;)
[14:47] <SuperMX> Hello everyone, I recently have a problem with my ubuntu 14.04 server, now i was able to narrow the problem down
[14:48] <SuperMX> i always shut down the server by just tipping the power off key, but the next time I try to turn it on again there are just points oon the screen and even the bootloader doesn't start
[14:49] <SuperMX> so its it either because there is a problem in the poweroff procedure or it's because of the FAT32 filesystem (it's a quite old computer)
[14:51] <SuperMX> ok, now i just typed in "poweroff" and then started it again, this doesn't work either
[14:52] <SuperMX> in then always use a live cd to fsck the /dev/sda
[15:40] <Overand> Does anyone have ideas on the 'right' way to set the umask for the 'backup' user?  that user uses /var/backups as home, /bin/sh as shell
[18:21] <pmatulis> Overand: tell the user's shell what umask to use


[00:28] <JackFrost> phunyguy: Crap, I don't remember if I have access in there.  Sorry. :3
[04:21] <phunyguy> JackFrost: no worries.  I don't get to use powers enough to be faster at it these days.


[12:49] <bonafide>  Sorry, I tried to pair my Wiimote but all I get is a error message. Bug is already reported.
[12:49] <bonafide> What can I do?
[18:08] <bonafide> Hej, I'm on Ubuntu 12.04.4 and want to pair my Wiimote as a  Raw HID-Device. Any idea on how to do that?
[18:14] <jtaylor> mh I did that once, but its been ages
[18:15] <jtaylor> I think I did something with hciconfig and blueman
[18:15] <jtaylor> though does the 12.04 kernel already support wiimotes?
[18:17] <bonafide> jtaylor: good to hear. i dont know if it does.
[18:17] <jtaylor> I think I did it in 13.04
[18:28] <bonafide> jtaylor: how can I check? i mean the wii has been around since 2011...
[18:29] <jtaylor> seems to be in since 3.1 so 12.04 should be good
[18:30] <bonafide> cool, any tip on what to read to proceed, jtaylor?
[18:42] <jtaylor> bonafide: maybe https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/XWiimote
[18:44] <jtaylor> hm though I didn't use any of the software mentioned on that page, so its probably outdated
[21:43] <bonafide> jtaylor: yes, it is. in addition xwii adds an extra layer to it. ill need raw HID.


[11:12] <RAOF> mlankhorst: Hey, could I prevail on you to do some mesa committtitititititititititititing?
[11:17] <mlankhorst> RAOF: what do you want? :p
[11:18] <RAOF> The most recent DRIImage patch series, kthxbye.
[11:18] <mlankhorst> RAOF: has to wait a bit longer
[11:19] <mlankhorst> I want to land mesa 10 in the archive first :P
[11:19] <RAOF> Oh, I meant upstream.
[11:19] <RAOF> If I wanted to land in the distro that I'd just do it in egl-platform-mir.patch :P
[11:20] <mlankhorst> hahah
[11:20] <mlankhorst> RAOF: I don't work on fridays, can you remind me monday? :P
[11:20] <mlankhorst> I'll try to remember
[11:20] <RAOF> mlankhorst: Sure.
[11:23] <mlankhorst> wrote it down on a paper anyway, so I should probably see it on monday and remember :)
[11:28] <RAOF> And you'll probably ping for SRUs, right?
[11:34] <mlankhorst> yeah, I've done some testing yesterday and uploaded latest saucy stack to ppa
[15:44] <Prf_Jakob> mlankhorst: so QE wants to take a look at the relase before we can make one.
[16:00] <mlankhorst> thought they might :p
[16:30] <tjaalton> qa, always spoiling progress


[12:38] <Hobbsee> @schedule est
[12:38] <Ubugtu> Schedule for EST: 30 Jan 15:00: Technical Board | 31 Jan 15:00: Edubuntu | 31 Jan 17:00: Xubuntu | 31 Jan 18:00: Kubuntu | 01 Feb 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 05 Feb 15:00: Mozilla Team
[01:19] <pochu> @now madrid
[01:19] <Ubugtu> Current time in Europe/Madrid: January 30 2007, 13:19:23 - Next meeting: Technical Board in 7 hours 40 minutes
[06:24] <pochu> @schedule
[06:24] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 30 Jan 20:00: Technical Board | 31 Jan 20:00: Edubuntu | 31 Jan 22:00: Xubuntu | 31 Jan 23:00: Kubuntu | 01 Feb 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 05 Feb 20:00: Mozilla Team
[06:52] <Amaranth> @schedule Chicago
[06:52] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Chicago: 30 Jan 14:00: Technical Board | 31 Jan 14:00: Edubuntu | 31 Jan 16:00: Xubuntu | 31 Jan 17:00: Kubuntu | 01 Feb 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 05 Feb 14:00: Mozilla Team
[06:52] <somerville32> @schedule atlantic
[06:52] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Canada/Atlantic: 30 Jan 16:00: Technical Board | 31 Jan 16:00: Edubuntu | 31 Jan 18:00: Xubuntu | 31 Jan 19:00: Kubuntu | 01 Feb 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 05 Feb 16:00: Mozilla Team
[07:59] <Ma1kel> @schedule amsterdam
[07:59] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Amsterdam: 30 Jan 21:00: Technical Board | 31 Jan 21:00: Edubuntu | 31 Jan 23:00: Xubuntu | 01 Feb 00:00: Kubuntu | 01 Feb 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 05 Feb 21:00: Mozilla Team
[09:00] <Ma1kel> In AD 2007
[09:00] <Ma1kel> The Technical board meeting was beginning
[09:00] <Keybuk> don't hold your breath ... mdz just ping timeout'd :p
[09:01] <Ma1kel> Main discussion turn on
[09:01] <Ma1kel> How are you gentlemen?
[09:02] <Keybuk> mjg59 will not be joining us today; he's got a PhD to procrastinate over
[09:02] <ajmitch> there's actually one scheduled for today?
[09:02] <Keybuk> I thought mdz was joining us, he was in a conf-call with me not an hour ago, but he's just vanished
[09:02] <Keybuk> trying to find out whether it's temporary, or whether he's gone for dinner and forgotten
[09:02] <dholbach> ajmitch: I'm here
[09:02] <ajmitch> dholbach: yay!
[09:03] <Ma1kel> [20:50:16]  * Ubugtu changes topic to 'Current meeting: Technical Board | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 31 Jan 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 31 Jan 22:00 UTC: Xubuntu | 31 Jan 23:00 UTC: Kubuntu | 01 Feb 21:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 05 Feb 20:00 UTC: Mozilla Team'
[09:03] <Seveas> Ma1kel, we know that...
[09:03] <ajmitch> ubugtu & reality don't always match
[09:03] <Seveas> heh
[09:03] <Ma1kel> The system can't be wrong.
[09:05] <Keybuk> ok, let's get going
[09:05] <mdz_> good evening
[09:05] <Keybuk> First up: core-de
[09:05] <Keybuk> v
[09:05] <Keybuk> I don't have anyone on my list for that
[09:05] <Keybuk> is there anyone here who's applied for core-dev, and thinks they should be on that list?
[09:06] <Keybuk> ok
[09:06] <Keybuk> next up: ubuntu-dev
[09:06] <Adri2000> yep :)
[09:07] <Keybuk> on my list, I have metres, mlind, Praveen Kumar, EtienneG, prash, TheMuso & Adri2000
[09:07] <tepsipakki> me too
[09:07] <Keybuk> is EtienneG here?
[09:07] <EtienneG> Keybuk, yep !
[09:08] <tepsipakki> previous meeting was cancelled so my application perhaps got dropped
[09:08] <Keybuk> you're first in date order; so introduce yourself
[09:08] <EtienneG> excellent
[09:08] <EtienneG> I am support analyst in the Mtl office
[09:08] <sabdfl> evening all
[09:08] <EtienneG> Launchpad packaging page : https://launchpad.net/~etienne-goyer-outlands/+packages
[09:09] <Keybuk> you package bzr?
[09:09] <EtienneG> I am also responsible for bzr package on http://bazaar-vcs.org/releases/packages
[09:09] <mdz_> EtienneG: in addition, I understand you've been doing some packaging for the commercial repository, which is maintained outside of launchpad
[09:09] <EtienneG> Keybuk, yep, i took this over from jbailey
[09:09] <EtienneG> mdz, indeed
[09:09] <EtienneG> latest package there have been SugarCRM
[09:10] <sabdfl> have you worked with any MOTU?
[09:10] <EtienneG> I also package a few Canonical-internal things
[09:10] <EtienneG> sabdfl, not yet unfortunately
[09:10] <sabdfl> i think that's important to join ubuntu-dev
[09:10] <EtienneG> I had the chance of getting all my package sponsored by jbailey and mvo
[09:10] <sabdfl> i know that i knock on your door for things like bzr packaging but ubuntu-dev is all about motu
[09:11] <mvo> EtienneG worked with me quite a bit and I'm very happy with the work he is doing
[09:11] <mdz> EtienneG: have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers ?
[09:11] <EtienneG> mdz, yes
[09:12] <EtienneG> mostly, i am looking for more autonomy in the maintenance of bzr-related package
[09:12] <EtienneG> and to lessen the workload on my usual sponsors (mvo, jbailey)
[09:13] <sabdfl> i have a suggestion
[09:13] <EtienneG> I'm all ear
[09:13] <sabdfl> if we approve the motu council today, then all you would need is two motu council folks to +1 you and you'd be in there
[09:13] <sabdfl> that way you'd be known to them
[09:13] <sabdfl> since you're joining their team
[09:14] <EtienneG> sabdfl, sound perfectly good to me
[09:14] <sabdfl> for my part, +1, you can quote me on that
[09:14] <sabdfl> cool
[09:14] <EtienneG> sabdfl, thanks !
[09:14] <mdz> sabdfl++
[09:15] <sabdfl> ok, let's see if EtienneG can be the test case for the NewStreamlinedMotuProcess
[09:15] <sabdfl> next up?
[09:15] <EtienneG> excellent !
[09:15] <dholbach> ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MotuProcessesSpec )
[09:15] <mdz> EtienneG: I think it's especially important in your case, as a Canonical employee, that you become more involved with the community, since it's easy to work with other developers internally and not develop a good relationship with the developer community
[09:15] <tepsipakki> would that apply for the rest ot the motuhopefuls
[09:15] <tepsipakki> ?
[09:15] <jbailey_> mdz: How does that affect upload rights for -commerical, though?
[09:16] <mdz> jbailey_: upload rights for -commercial should be the same as -core-dev, since it's nearly equivalent to main in terms of its presentation to users
[09:16] <sabdfl> -commercial isn't enabled by default, though?
[09:16] <mdz> it's designated "supported" in the UI
[09:17] <sabdfl> ok
[09:17] <sabdfl> tepsipakki: i don't mind dealing with prospectives now
[09:18] <sabdfl> particularly wanted EtienneG to be in the loop with MOTU council
[09:18] <tepsipakki> ok
[09:18] <sabdfl> if you have a quick, clear cut case we can +1 you now
[09:18] <sabdfl> otherwise, we'll defer to MOTU council
[09:18] <EtienneG> sabdfl, mdz : this will certainly be
[09:18] <sabdfl> ok?
[09:18] <mdz> ok with me
[09:19] <tepsipakki> cool, so I'm up next?
[09:19] <Keybuk> ok with me too
[09:19] <sabdfl> fire away
[09:19] <mdz> deferring to the MOTU countil should be much more convenient than coming to a future TB meeting, according to the docs
[09:19] <mdz> council, even
[09:19] <sabdfl> candidates, if you could write up your three line intro, url's to wiki pages, packaging histories etc, that would make things go smoothly
[09:19] <Keybuk> tepsipakki: you registered for ubuntu-dev almost 6 months ago; how come it's taken you so long to reach a TB meeting?
[09:20] <sabdfl> (w.r.t. mdz's comment that's because you can approach any 2 of the council at any time, not scheduled meetings like this, iirc)
[09:20] <mdz> (yes)
[09:20] <tepsipakki> keybuk: I was here last time ;)
[09:20] <tepsipakki> but you were not :)
[09:20] <tepsipakki> so the meeting was cancelled
[09:20] <ajmitch> I think at one point you didn't have enough contributions, right?
[09:21] <tepsipakki> yes, that was in october
[09:21] <mdz> tepsipakki: what have you been working on since then?
[09:21] <tepsipakki> anyway, here's the wiki-page for the impatient: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimoAaltonen
[09:22] <tepsipakki> there you can find links to the merges/syncs I've requested
[09:22] <tepsipakki> (and other work, but thats what is new)
[09:22] <tepsipakki> oops
[09:22] <mdz> tepsipakki: it mentions that you've been testing automated netboot installations.  that's great, as those aren't tested as often as some other installation methods
[09:22] <mdz> tepsipakki: how do you report your test results?
[09:23] <tepsipakki> poke colin ;)
[09:23] <tepsipakki> when the installer team was created, I joined shortly after
[09:23] <mdz> tepsipakki: there is a wiki page which explains how to report results so that everyone can see them :-)
[09:23] <tepsipakki> yeah, of course
[09:23] <tepsipakki> I file bugs too
[09:24] <tepsipakki> and sometimes even write patches to fix them
[09:24] <tepsipakki> there are some that are on my list for feisty
[09:24] <tepsipakki> which would make the installation a bit more robust
[09:24] <sabdfl> cjwatson: any comment on interactions with timo?
[09:25] <mdz> Colin is on a train somewhere, or on his way to one, unfortunately
[09:25] <dholbach> tepsipakki did very well on looking at gnome-screensaver bugs - i got lots of mails :)
[09:25] <tepsipakki> his comments are available if the logs of the cancelled meeting are somewhere
[09:26] <sabdfl> +1 from me, lots of work across a variety of packages, and clearly interacting with the right folks in a sensible way
[09:26] <tepsipakki> oh yes, g-s is a pet of mine (sometimes)
[09:26] <sabdfl> tepsipakki: would you care to join the beta.launchpad.net group to take a peek?
[09:26] <tepsipakki> sabdfl: what's that about?
[09:27] <tepsipakki> oh, a test site?
[09:27] <sabdfl> ;-)
[09:27] <tepsipakki> sure, if I only could get in ;)
[09:27] <tepsipakki> ah
[09:28] <mdz> Jan 16 12:01:21 <cjwatson>      I can't be here for the TB meeting, but I'd like to express support for Timo Aaltonen; he's b
[09:28] <mdz> een useful on d-i work in the past and has expressed interest in helping out with installer merge work
[09:28] <tepsipakki> mdz: you beat me to it :)
[09:28] <mdz> +1 based on positive feedback from dholbach and cjwatson
[09:28] <Keybuk> +1 from me also
[09:28] <tepsipakki> sabdfl: ooh, shiny!
[09:28] <sabdfl> cool - welcome aboard, timo!
[09:29] <tepsipakki> thanks!
[09:29] <sabdfl> np
[09:29] <tepsipakki> to all
[09:29] <Keybuk> ok
[09:29] <Keybuk> next is TheMuso
[09:29] <TheMuso> I am Luke Yelavich, a 24 year old job seeker from Sydney, Australia. I am a member of the Ubuntu accessibility team, and have been working with MOTU for over 12 months with merges, and some bug triaging, mostly accessibility related.
[09:29] <TheMuso> wiki page: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukeYelavich
[09:29] <TheMuso> Launchpad page: http://launchpad.net/people/themuso
[09:29] <TheMuso> Packages: https://launchpad.net/~themuso/+packages
[09:30] <LaserJock> *\o/*
[09:30] <sistpoty> welcome tepsipakki
[09:30] <sabdfl> yowser :-)
[09:31] <Keybuk> so, err, any questions for TheMuso ?
[09:31] <dholbach> heno++
[09:31] <TheMuso> I believe crimsun emailed the TB about the work I have done with him.
[09:31] <Keybuk> "It is my pleasure to endorse fully the application of Luke Yelavich for
[09:31] <Keybuk> ubuntu-dev membership. For over one year, he has worked diligently in
[09:31] <Keybuk> MOTU on packaging and bug triaging (mostly a11y-related) and has
[09:31] <Keybuk> demonstrated positive interactions both in MOTU and with upstreams.
[09:31] <Keybuk> Ubuntu has gained a valuable contributor in Luke, and I welcome him to
[09:31] <Keybuk> the ubuntu-dev ranks."
[09:31] <Keybuk> he did
[09:31] <mdz> I'm familiar with TheMuso's accessibility work through henrik
[09:32] <sabdfl> i've met luke in paris, iirc
[09:32] <Amaranth> TheMuso: I thought you were already ubuntu-dev
[09:32] <TheMuso> sabdfl: Briefly, but yes we did.
[09:32] <sabdfl> +1 from me based on a long track record of work generally, and specifically for contributions to ally
[09:33] <Keybuk> +1 from me also; Luke's contributions are well known to everyone, I think
[09:33] <mdz> +1
[09:33] <sabdfl> TheMuso: maybe you could tell us what your single biggest hope for ubuntu is in 2007?
[09:34] <TheMuso> sabdfl: All I can say, si improving accessibility even further. There is still a long way to go, but every release we still manage to get something in that is new and useful.
[09:34] <mdz> Keybuk: is anyone else from your list present?
[09:34] <Keybuk> Adri2000 is
[09:34] <Adri2000> I am :)
[09:34] <Keybuk> Adri2000: please introduce yourself
[09:35] <Adri2000> I'm Adrien Cunin, 16 years old french student.
[09:35] <Adri2000> My work on universe/multiverse packages: bug fixes, merges/syncs, new upstream releases. Also some new packages, I now maintain two of them in Debian.
[09:35] <Adri2000> All of that is described on my wiki page, so take a look at it ;)
[09:35] <Adri2000> My plans as a MOTU: I will keep doing general motu stuff (bugs, merges, syncs, new upstream releases...), but also (more detailed on the wiki): collaboration with Debian (I already often file bugs in the Debian BTS), QA, help/sponsor/revu MOTU hopefuls/enthusiasts.
[09:35] <Adri2000> Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdrienCunin | LP: https://launchpad.net/~adri2000 | Packages: https://launchpad.net/~adri2000/+packages
[09:35] <Adri2000> The main MOTUs I've worked with are gpocentek (he's here), crimsun (he sent an email to technical-board at lists.ubuntu.com) and also geser (I think he's here).
[09:35] <Keybuk> "In the past several months, Adrien has worked diligently with MOTU in
[09:35] <Keybuk> bug triaging, in merging and syncing Ubuntu universe source packages,
[09:35] <Keybuk> and in helping community members who are not as well versed with Debian
[09:35] <Keybuk> packaging on REVU. His dedication to assisting MOTU hopefuls, too, is
[09:35] <Keybuk> noteworthy and illustrates the positive influence that anyone can have
[09:35] <Keybuk> on the Ubuntu distribution. I welcome him as a ubuntu-dev member."
[09:35] <sabdfl> well done TheMuso, your work is really important, and i hope you continue to draw a community around you to drive this forward
[09:36] <TheMuso> sabdfl: Thanks.
[09:36] <Mithrandir> FWIW, I've seen a fair amount of sync requests from Adri2000 which so far have been good.
[09:36] <sabdfl> Keybuk: quoth?
[09:36] <Keybuk> sabdfl: crimsun on tb mailing list about Adri2000
[09:36] <gpocentek> he's done a great work on the packages I've reviewed/uploaded
[09:36] <mdz> Adri2000: where did you learn Debian packaging?
[09:37] <Adri2000> mdz: with gpocentek's lessons in #ubuntu-fr-classroom and then in #ubuntu-motu :)
[09:37] <sabdfl> NO BUGS AT ALL?
[09:38] <sabdfl> must be no users :-)
[09:39] <sabdfl> you've touched a lot of packages, Adri2000, is there a theme to your work?
[09:39] <mdz> gpocentek: can you be more specific about your experience?
[09:39] <Adri2000> sabdfl: not really, I don't have any favourite kind of package
[09:39] <mdz> gpocentek: what gives you the feeling that Adri2000 is ready to upload without review?
[09:40] <gpocentek> mdz: well, all the packages I've reviewed were good, with no need to fix them
[09:40] <Adri2000> sabdfl: just want to make universe even better :)
[09:40] <gpocentek> mdz: he is also really helpful to others, and I think that's because he knows how to do things well
[09:41] <mdz> Adri2000: how does homebank compare to gnucash?
[09:43] <Adri2000> well, I packaged homebank and merged gnucash but I can't really say because I don't use them very often (just to test)
[09:44] <mdz> Adri2000: really?  why would you want to maintain a package which is of no use to you?
[09:46] <Adri2000> IIRC, I found homebank on MOTU/Packages/Candidates (requests from users) and the website was looking for packagers, so I emailed upstream and packaged it
[09:46] <Adri2000> and I'm still in touch with upstream and still maintain it (bugs, new upstream releases), even if I don't use it daily
[09:47] <mdz> interesting
[09:47] <mdz> sabdfl: any further questions?
[09:47] <sabdfl> i'm quite happy with what i've seen - lots of package work, and goot references from motu and -core-dev. +1 from me
[09:48] <LaserJock> mdz: it's Universe, most of what we "maintain" we don't actually use
[09:48] <mdz> +1 as well, thanks and good luck
[09:48] <sabdfl> scott is away
[09:48] <sabdfl> so let's take 2 as quorum
[09:48] <sabdfl> welcome aboard!
[09:48] <mdz> LaserJock: it's different when you're a designated maintainer for a package, its primary caregiver
[09:48] <gpocentek> congrats Adri2000 :)
[09:48] <Adri2000> thanks all!
[09:49] <LaserJock> mdz: but we stress in Universe to not have a designated maintainer
[09:49] <LaserJock> it's MOTU maintained
[09:49] <mdz> that leaves metres, mlind, Praveen Kumar, prash from Keybuk's list
[09:49] <Lure> mdz, sabdfl: I applied when meeting started, so not sure if I should wait next round (MOTU Conucil)
[09:49] <sabdfl> lure, that's fine, join the end of the list
[09:50] <sabdfl> metres?
[09:50] <sabdfl> not here
[09:50] <sabdfl> mlind not here
[09:50] <sabdfl> praveen?
[09:50] <sabdfl> not here
[09:50] <mdz> LaserJock: indeed, we don't work exclusively, but to me it's surprising to package and devote special attention to a package one doesn't use at all
[09:50] <dholbach> I mailed them all (not mlind, because I've seen him around and thought he's show up)
[09:50] <sabdfl> prash - not here!
[09:50] <sabdfl> that was quick :-)
[09:50] <sabdfl> dholbach: i think this will all be easier with the new process
[09:51] <dholbach> sabdfl: yeah
[09:51] <mdz> Lure is here
[09:51] <sabdfl> roll on Lure :-)
[09:51] <Lure> Luka Renko, Kubuntu team member contributing for around a year, main interests
[09:51] <Lure> are laptop and network support. Applying for MOTU to offload sponsors for
[09:51] <Lure> some packages of my interest (eqonomize, soundkonverter, powersave, kpowersave).
[09:51] <Lure> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko  LP: https://launchpad.net/~lure/+packages
[09:51] <mdz> Lure: who has been uploading your packages?
[09:51] <Lure> I mainly work with Kubuntu team (Riddell, Tonio_, Hobbsee
[09:52] <mdz> are any of them here?
[09:52] <Lure> Some universe upload were done also by crimsun, geser, bddebian
[09:52] <mdz> I've seen your name around, but I can't say that I'm familiar with your work
[09:53] <Lure> mdz: my primary work is actually on main stuff for Kubuntu laptop/network support
[09:53] <Lure> mdz: I was also on UDS-MTV
[09:53] <Lure> mdz: I apply for motu, primarily to get my universe work directly
[09:54] <sabdfl> Lure: how is the kubuntu community shaping up?
[09:54] <Lure> sabdfl: I think better and better which each release
[09:54] <mdz> Lure: I see, thanks
[09:54] <mdz> Lure: though I don't have any direct experience of your work
[09:54] <Lure> sabdfl: we have some coders now for bug squasing and 3-4 active core-devs
[09:55] <Lure> sabdfl: I can say each release we get quite some new names on board
[09:55] <mdz> Lure: it's best if the people you've worked with can tell the board about their experience working with you, as we can't know everything directly
[09:56] <Lure> mdz: yep, I applied late, so could not arrange to get them here
[09:57] <sabdfl> what about QA?
[09:57] <Lure> sabdfl: we have now kubunut-testers activity, kicked-off by mhb and hope we can get more interest
[09:58] <sabdfl> Lure: your packages uploaded list is impressive, clearly people trust you enough to upload
[09:58] <sabdfl> but i think it would be best to get some testimonials
[09:58] <sabdfl> with the new process, they could send a signed email testimonial to the MOTU council
[09:58] <sabdfl> could you pursue that with them?
[09:59] <Lure> sabdfl: I can wait another round (through council)
[09:59] <sabdfl> unless someone is available now that you have worked with?
[09:59] <sabdfl> who has sponsored most of your uploads?
[09:59] <Lure> sabdfl: Riddell and Tonio_
[09:59] <Lure> sabdfl: I ping them recently, but they do not seem to be around
[09:59] <mdz> it's problematic for us to make a decision on something as sensitive as broad upload privileges based only on information provided by the applicant
[10:00] <Lure> mdz: I am fine to go through conucil
[10:00] <sabdfl> (though clearly people have been willing to upload your packages)
[10:00] <sabdfl> ok, should be quick and easy
[10:01] <Lure> glad to test the new process ;-)
[10:01] <Lure> Hobbsee might say something about my work (but still most uploads were in main) ;-)
[10:02] <mdz> ok
[10:02] <Lure> so lets postpone it
[10:02] <mdz> thanks for your patience
[10:02] <mdz> on with the agenda: the MOTU council is next
[10:02] <Lure> mdz: no problem
[10:02] <mdz> dholbach: ?
[10:03] <dholbach> ok... the main processes are sorted out already, but there are some things to the motu council can not decide for themselves, like nomination process, term length, etc
[10:03] <mdz> dholbach: does the MOTU council already have CC approval?
[10:03] <dholbach> CC members told me that the TB was going to approve the MC
[10:04] <sabdfl> yes - we are happy, TB should approve and appoint
[10:04] <sabdfl> yay!
[10:04] <dholbach> shall we just go through the list on  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda ?
[10:04] <mdz> sure
[10:04] <mdz> first item is the nomination process
[10:05] <dholbach> ok, some people wanted to know more about the nomination process
[10:05] <mdz> I think council members should be nominated by MOTU, and confirmed by the tech board
[10:05] <Hobbsee> Lure: sorry, i didnt know :(
[10:05] <pochu> @now Madrid
[10:05] <Ubugtu> Current time in Europe/Madrid: January 30 2007, 22:05:49 - Current meeting: Technical Board
[10:06] <mdz> or possibly the reverse
[10:06] <sabdfl> ;-)
[10:07] <sabdfl> with the CC / TB, SABDFL nominates and community votes to confirm or select a subset of the nomination
[10:07] <sabdfl> i'd prefer the same for MOTU council
[10:07] <sabdfl> folks can of course say they are interested
[10:07] <mdz> it should be consistent with other team councils
[10:08] <dholbach> it makes sense to me
[10:08] <dholbach> any questions from any MOTUs about that?
[10:08] <mdz> the current draft doesn't specify any nomination at all, as far as I see
[10:08] <dholbach> (or MOTU hopefuls :))
[10:08] <dholbach> yes, that's right
[10:08] <LaserJock> so what is the proposal? TB nominates and MOTUs vote to confirm?
[10:08] <sabdfl> well
[10:08] <sabdfl> on the other hand
[10:09] <sabdfl> the TB is confirmed by ALL developers, including motu
[10:09] <sabdfl> so
[10:09] <ajmitch> sabdfl: are you familiar enough with various MOTUs who are involved?
[10:09] <LaserJock> that's what I was thinking
[10:09] <sabdfl> it might be simpler just to say "the TB appoint MOTU council" and be done
[10:09] <sabdfl> they will obviously try to get it right
[10:09] <sabdfl> and be sensitive to suggestions that they did not, if that happens
[10:10] <sabdfl> should we go with the lighter touch?
[10:11] <mdz> I'm happy with a process which is consistent with other team councils
[10:11] <LaserJock> I personally don't care as much how it's done ( I trust TB ) as that it does get done
[10:11] <mdz> nominations from TB and confirmation from MOTU sounds reasonable
[10:12] <Lure> mdz: fyi, Kubuntu council was nominated and elected by Kubuntu team members
[10:12] <sabdfl> i think the confirmation is excess bureacracy, but i've no problem if MOTU prefers it that way
[10:12] <Lure> mdz: not sure if this is same
[10:12] <LaserJock> Edubuntu Council was nominated and elected by Edubuntu people as well
[10:12] <sabdfl> in general should be nomination by the body that is getting reported to, then confirmation from the group they represent
[10:13] <sistpoty> sabdfl: I think confirmation is a good thing... gives motu's the feeling that they have some participation in the process as well
[10:13] <sabdfl> ok
[10:13] <sabdfl> both edubuntu and kubuntu jumped the queue, a little
[10:13] <sabdfl> but hey, they picked DAMN GOOD PEOPLE!
[10:14] <Hobbsee> bah.  fire us if you like :P
[10:14] <TheMuso> For the time I've been involved with MOTU, I've got the impression that it is a very close knit community.
[10:14] <sabdfl> let's agree on TB nomination, MOTU confirmation, and move on
[10:14] <mdz> agreed
[10:14] <dholbach> "Discuss ubuntumembers and ubuntu-core-dev membership requirements with CC and TB."
[10:14] <Hobbsee> among MOTU, i suspect that there are certain people that stand out, that would be good for the job, like there were for kubuntu
[10:14] <mdz> ubuntumembers?
[10:14] <Lure> mdz: I think similar could be done for Kubuntu/Edubuntu in future: CC nomination, team confirmation
[10:14] <dholbach> that doesn't make sense
[10:15] <mdz> ubuntu-core-dev guidelines are documented on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers
[10:15] <mdz> ubuntumembers are determined by the CC and its delegates
[10:15] <LaserJock> yeah, I was just going to say
[10:15] <dholbach> I think some people wanted to make sure that the list of requirements / things the MC wants to check for applicants is ok with the TB
[10:15] <mdz> TB interprets the -core-dev guidelines and approves new core developers
[10:16] <mdz> dholbach: likewise for ubuntu-dev; I've written down what I think are the fundamental traits of an Ubuntu developer
[10:16] <mdz> dholbach: the MOTU council should use those when considering applicants
[10:16] <sabdfl> i'd say 2 year term, staggered
[10:16] <dholbach> right, I think we can move on
[10:16] <sabdfl> so we nominate half for one year now, half for two years
[10:16] <LaserJock> but how we determaine if an applicant has those traits would be up to the MC?
[10:16] <sabdfl> then renew/replace the 1st half in a year
[10:16] <sabdfl> then it becomes regular 2-year appointments
[10:17] <sabdfl> also, MOTU would be granting membership
[10:17] <sabdfl> so they of course need to factor that in too
[10:17] <sabdfl> i.o.w. make ubuntu-dev a part of ubuntumembers
[10:17] <sabdfl> so folks don't have to go to two meetings
[10:17] <sistpoty> hm... not quite sure if 2 years is a bit too long... many of our "good" motu's moved from universe to main during shorter time
[10:17] <dholbach> 2 year is quite a while - are the other council memberships also that long?
[10:17] <sabdfl> once they are a -dev, they are a member
[10:17] <sabdfl> sistpoty: they can of course stay on the governance of MOTU
[10:18] <sabdfl> they would be experienced
[10:18] <LaserJock> Edubuntu Council is 2 releases (1 year)
[10:18] <Lure> dholbach: kubuntu council is 1 year
[10:18] <mdz> LaserJock: yes, though they should justify their decision when making it
[10:18] <sabdfl> i would want to have -core-dev representation on the council
[10:18] <TheMuso> There is imbrandon and crimsun who also are regular MOTU contributers who are core-dev.
[10:18] <dholbach> sistpoty: I don't think that doing things in 'main' hinders people from working with MOTUs
[10:18] <sabdfl> Lure, LaserJock: it gets tiresome to do the voting more often that once per year, and if you want a rolling council, then you need to vote at least twice during one term
[10:18] <Hobbsee> Lure: we must be coming up to that, surely?
[10:19] <sistpoty> dholbach: no, it doesn't... but from my experience ppl. will have much less time for universe then ;)
[10:19] <sabdfl> sistpoty: i suspect that will become less true as the pool grows
[10:19] <sabdfl> though it's definitely been true so far
[10:19] <sistpoty> sabdfl: I hope so :)
[10:20] <dholbach> sistpoty: I think that everybody on the MC will know what is expected from him/her and live up to that :)
[10:20] <sabdfl> -core-dev is hugely dependent on good work in motu
[10:21] <sabdfl> dholbach: do you have the list of proposed MC members we discussed?
[10:21] <dholbach> sabdfl: yeah
[10:21] <sabdfl> list 'em?
[10:22] <dholbach> sabdfl: we discussed crimsun, sistpoty, gpocentek and ajmitch
[10:22] <sabdfl> and you?
[10:22] <dholbach> and me
[10:23] <sabdfl> how about we nominate 3 for 2 year terms, and 2 for a one year term (they could be renewed)
[10:23] <sabdfl> alphabetically, a, c, d, g, s
[10:23] <sabdfl> how about we just nominate a, d, s for 2 year terms
[10:23] <sabdfl> and c, g for 1 year term?
[10:23] <sabdfl> there's no prejudice to the 1 year nominates
[10:24] <sabdfl> other than that we want to get the rolling going
[10:24] <Hobbsee> does crimsun have time to it, due to new work commitments?
[10:24] <sabdfl> don't think motu will have long meetings
[10:24] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: He'd probably just say yes anyway. :p
[10:24] <mdz> dholbach: have all of those people volunteered to stand?
[10:24] <dholbach> Hobbsee: I talked with him about that. He was fine with that.
[10:24] <dholbach> mdz: yes
[10:24] <mdz> ok then
[10:24] <sabdfl> should be more about availability to review candidates for -dev
[10:25] <sabdfl> if we covered all the timezones i would be happiest
[10:25] <Hobbsee> dholbach: ah right
[10:25] <sabdfl> then people can find a member of the council, make their case, and get a +1 in their own timezone
[10:25] <dholbach> and I think that after a few meetings the MC will have other processes sorted out nicely as well
[10:25] <sabdfl> right, aim should NOT be CC-style meetings :-)
[10:25] <sabdfl> just a "wise elders" group that can approve good folks who are doing good work
[10:25] <Hobbsee> sabdfl: haha.  just dont get any australian people to do it.
[10:26] <sabdfl> oh, we trust aussies despite heaps of experience
[10:26] <TheMuso> Thanks!!
[10:26] <sabdfl> dholbach: thoughts?
[10:26] <mdz> ajmitch is in one of those ridiculous time zones, no?
[10:26] <mdz> should be a good spread
[10:26] <sabdfl> really need two in a timezone
[10:27] <sabdfl> so if there are other good candidates interested, i'd be happy to hear from them
[10:27] <sabdfl> and make appointments in mid-cycle
[10:27] <sabdfl> we don't need to wait a year
[10:27] <sabdfl> the motu council could be 7-9 people easily
[10:27] <sistpoty> well... I'm quite a night owl, so I rather hang around with ajmitch than with dholbach ;)
[10:27] <Hobbsee> mdz: NZ.  and that's slightly better
[10:27] <Hobbsee> sabdfl: you may trust us, but 3am meetings suck.
[10:28] <sabdfl> dholbach could always also get a second opinion from a TB member
[10:28] <dholbach> I like the idea... what do other MOTUs think? Are you happy with the 1year/2year term rolling?
[10:28] <sabdfl> Hobbsee: idea would be to have only local folks in a meeting
[10:28] <mdz> it's valuable for the council to be spread out, so that hopefuls have someone to go to who will be around when they are
[10:28] <zul> im happy with that
[10:28] <sabdfl> so we could have one in sane hours for asia, with asian council members
[10:28] <sabdfl> not like TB where we try to have one meeting for the globe
[10:28] <sabdfl> i think this will be much more efficient
[10:28] <sabdfl> and easier on the motu council
[10:28] <sabdfl> will make it easier to get good folkstoparticipate
[10:29] <sabdfl> inthe council, and in -dev
[10:29] <LaserJock> dholbach: I'm fine with it I guess
[10:29] <sistpoty> it would certainly help creating -devs, but it might lead to confusion if the european meeting says x about a policy while the aussies say y
[10:30] <sistpoty> but I guess we could get that aligned somehow ;)
[10:30] <mdz> sistpoty: we should hope that the council communicate with one another :-)
[10:30] <LaserJock> exactly, hopefully most policy discussion would involve ML though
[10:30] <mdz> s/council/& members/
[10:30] <dholbach> I'm sure the MC will manage. :-)
[10:30] <mdz> we're 90 minutes in now; are there any further outstanding issues about the MOTU council?
[10:31] <sabdfl> good point on the consistency front
[10:31] <dholbach> Ok, seems we have clarified "Clarify the process for the next appointment." too, so there's only "Clarify the process for communication between TB and MC for ubuntu-dev membership approval." left
[10:31] <sabdfl> we should look out for that since this is the first time we're creating something that we want to work as a parallel team
[10:32] <sabdfl> MOTU council should make a note for each candidate
[10:32] <sabdfl> on why they were approved
[10:32] <sabdfl> then TB should review those quickly in each meeting
[10:32] <mdz> dholbach: what I'd like to see is a writeup for each applicant, with an explanation of the council's decision, sent to the tech board
[10:32] <mdz> so that we can see how the guidelines have been applied
[10:33] <dholbach> to the mailing list? no meeting-like reporting? for other decision too?
[10:33] <sabdfl> if there's inconsistency we might ask for someone on TB to ack each decision
[10:33] <mdz> i.e., review the applicant's work against UbuntuDevelopers
[10:33] <sabdfl> but for the moment, let's trust that it will just work
[10:33] <sabdfl> mailing list or wiki page
[10:33] <mdz> so that there's a concise record of the process
[10:33] <sabdfl> should be a public list
[10:33] <sabdfl> the TB list is private
[10:34] <dholbach> a mail with a link to the wiki would work too, hm? :)
[10:34] <sabdfl> perfectly :-)
[10:34] <dholbach> rock and roll :)
[10:34] <sabdfl> this just for approval cases
[10:34] <sabdfl> not for declines or "come back when you've done this"
[10:34] <dholbach> ok
[10:34] <dholbach> anything else regarding the MC? I'm happy
[10:34] <sabdfl> PUMPED?
[10:34] <ajmitch> sounds good
[10:34] <dholbach> ABSOLUTELY :-)
[10:34] <sistpoty> we need the final acks still ;)
[10:34] <mdz> right, there's no need to justify deferring an application until a later date
[10:35] <sabdfl> "like i'm your long lost best friend" :-)
[10:35] <dholbach> sabdfl: sure you are :-)
[10:35] <sabdfl> +1 from me
[10:35] <mdz> the council should feel free to do so if it has doubts
[10:35] <mdz> without any embarrassment for those involved
[10:35] <mdz> I'm in agreement
[10:35] <mdz> dholbach: will you document those changes so we can sign off on the final document?
[10:35] <sabdfl> again, fomr my perspective, any two folks on the council should be sufficient
[10:35] <dholbach> mdz: yes
[10:36] <sabdfl> so it doesn't bottleneck on quorum across timezones
[10:36] <mdz> dholbach: we can do that by mail with the full TB, and not wait for another meeting
[10:36] <dholbach> alright
[10:36] <mdz> it should be considered by all members of the tech board, and I don't want it to block on meetings
[10:36] <mdz> thanks
[10:36] <dholbach> thank you
[10:36] <mdz> next -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpAndSupportAccess
[10:36] <EtienneG> we can see some inside from SF are getting into the Ubuntu folklore ... :)
[10:36] <sabdfl> well done dholbach - this is a fantastic step
[10:36] <sabdfl> for the motu
[10:37] <mdz> mdke asked that we consider this proposal to change the help interface in the desktop
[10:37] <dholbach> sabdfl: we all have big expectations :-)
[10:37] <mdz> I did an initial review and asked for some clarifications
[10:37] <mdz> which he seems to have made
[10:39] <mdz> I like the idea of replacing the submenu with a clearer, more navigable page
[10:39] <mdz> the current menu is confusing
[10:41] <mdz> I think the page layout could use some tweaking
[10:41] <mdz> but the basic idea seems sound
[10:41] <sabdfl> in principle i think this is a good change
[10:41] <sabdfl> the offer of community and commercial support will get more prominence by release
[10:41] <sabdfl> i expect that to be a little contentious
[10:42] <sabdfl> nevertheless, the new proposal is more attractive than the four submenus
[10:42] <sabdfl> and more sensible
[10:42] <sabdfl> mdke finally talked me round :-)
[10:43] <mdz> ok then
[10:43] <mdz> I'll mark it as approved, and document the feedback
[10:43] <mdz> we can fine-tune the page as needed
[10:43] <mdz> next -- reportbug
[10:44] <mdz> we shipped reportbug in the default install in earlier releases
[10:44] <sabdfl> sorry
[10:44] <sabdfl> sec
[10:44] <sabdfl> do we have full HTML capability on that page?
[10:44] <mdz> yes
[10:44] <sabdfl> or is it just Yelp?
[10:44] <mdz> it's Yelp
[10:44] <mdz> so FSVO "full"
[10:45] <sabdfl> hmm
[10:45] <sabdfl> will ask the folks working on the web site to work with mdke on the page
[10:45] <sabdfl> need to be able to present a classy picture
[10:45] <sabdfl> ok, that's all from me
[10:45] <sabdfl> reportbug!
[10:45] <mdz> right, we stopped installing reportbug by default in edgy
[10:46] <mdz> because it doesn't support reporting bugs to launchpad, and other approaches were in development
[10:46] <mdz> we now have apport
[10:46] <mdz> which does what we wanted reportbug to do originally, and more
[10:46] <mdz> in the relevant bug report about this, it was suggested that having reportbug in main is confusing, since it's not our preferred bug reporting tool
[10:47] <mdz> since it was removed from desktop, the only reason it's still in main is that it's a dependency of dpkg-dev-el
[10:47] <mdz> (emacs extensions for Debian package development)
[10:48] <mdz> we can a) drop dpkg-dev-el to universe, b) modify dpkg-dev-el not to depend on reportbug (and appropriate modifications so it's not needed), or c) leave it alone
[10:48] <ajmitch> reportbug is still useful to keep, but probably not for shipping on the cd
[10:48] <mdz> it isn't shipped on the CD
[10:49] <sabdfl> b seems the least intrusive
[10:49] <mdz> yes, though it does mean diverging the package from Debian
[10:49] <mdz> and thus more merge work
[10:49] <sabdfl> would they not accept the patch?
[10:49] <LaserJock> < mdz> next -- reportbug
[10:49] <LaserJock> bah, sorry
[10:51] <sid> wow, I'm getting 1 kilobyte a second from Farmingdale's wireless
[10:51] <mdz> I don't think having reportbug in main is particularly confusing
[10:51] <mdz> and it's useful for reporting bugs to projects which use debbugs (including Debian)
[10:51] <sabdfl> the reportbug description could refer peopleto apport for standard ubuntu bug reporting?
[10:51] <mdz> but I don't have strong feelings either way, which is why I brought it here
[10:52] <mdz> this has been a long meeting already, though, and I'm happy to take it to email on technical-board@
[10:53] <sabdfl> i'm happy with b or c
[10:53] <sabdfl> mdz, your call
[10:53] <mdz> ok
[10:53] <mdz> any other BRIEF business? ;-)
[10:54] <sabdfl> done!
[10:54] <sabdfl> and well done
[10:54] <mdz> thanks, all
[10:54] <sabdfl> very pleased to see the MOTU reaching this point
[10:55] <sabdfl> welcome aboard, new devs
[10:55] <mdz> adjourned
[10:55] <mdke> (sorry for missing the meeting - was a long day)
[10:55] <mdke> thanks for discussing the spec anyway
[10:55] <mdz> mdke: you can review the log
[10:56] <mdke> mdz: sure
[10:56] <ajmitch> thanks for sitting through & approving the council
[10:57] <sistpoty> yay, thanks for the MC thingie :)
[10:57] <sabdfl> is there a scribe?
[10:58] <mdz> I summarized the meeting in Issue30
[10:59] <mdz> the scribes have their first meeting scheduled this week
[10:59] <mdz> that meeting should be summarized if any ever was ;-)
[10:59] <dholbach> night sabdfl, night mdz
[10:59] <mdz> night dholbach
[11:42] <ausimage> sabdfl: You still up?
[11:42] <sabdfl> sure
[11:42] <ausimage> hey good...
[11:42] <ausimage> I am one of the people starting Scribes
[11:43] <tonyyarusso> ?
[12:12] <willys_fueguino> @schedule ushuaia
[12:12] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Argentina/Ushuaia: 31 Jan 17:00: Edubuntu | 31 Jan 19:00: Xubuntu | 31 Jan 20:00: Kubuntu | 01 Feb 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 05 Feb 17:00: Mozilla Team | 07 Feb 09:00: Edubuntu


[02:02] <zequence> Len-nb: in deed
[02:02] <zequence> As -lowlatency is greatly improving performance over -generic, we still lack a few ms
[02:36] <Len-nb> The trends in hardware and software seem to be throughput over latency. I read through the PCIe versions and that is the progression.
[02:37] <Len-nb> The overhead for small packets is the same as for large packets.
[02:45] <Len-nb> It was good to get an understanding of why serial is able to do faster data movement than parallel.
[03:34] <zequence> Len-nb: You into classical? Found some old stuff I did about 10 years ago https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12809728/1%20-%20Orchestral%20piece%20in%20g%20flat%20minor.flac
[03:44] <Len-nb> Almost sounds like a pipe organ in some places, but then I guess the pipe organ is one of the earliest tries at trying to sound like an orchestra.
[03:44] <Len-nb> zequence, well from a keyboard
[03:47] <zequence> Len-nb: It's my Roland XV-5050.
[03:47] <zequence> I've made some of the sounds myself. And the register at which some instruments are playing wasn't exactly optimally orchestrated
[03:48] <Len-nb> Synth and not sample?
[03:48] <zequence> Synth
[03:49] <zequence> I was working a lot with the synth module for orchestral sounds. The default sounds are not really all good for that
[03:50] <zequence> Of course, I didn't create the synth "samples"
[03:50] <zequence> There's a bank of several hundreds of samples of which all presets are based on
[03:50] <zequence> waveforms. I'm sure you know
[03:52] <zequence> Here's a fugue https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12809728/4%20-%20Fugue%20in%20C.flac
[03:53] <zequence> And a cinematic sort of piece https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12809728/2%20-%20Cinematic%20Piece.flac
[03:53] <zequence> I did a whole lot of music, but have deleted most of it
[03:54] <zequence> This is more 1910 style https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12809728/3%20-%20Piano%20Piece.flac
[03:54] <zequence> All of them style studies, compositional practices
[04:05] <Len-nb> zequence, while I do have more appreciation than at one time, the fact that I can't read music in time says a lot  :)
[04:06] <Len-nb> I do chord charts and follow peoples hands and my ears.
[04:14] <zequence> I got into classical music after seeing Amadeus as a teenager. Went to music high school. Got in after only playing music for 1 1/2 years, and learnt notes just before the auditions. During my time in school I felt the time spent on theory/composition was so small, I really just kept learning on my own. Went through everything they had in the library
[04:16] <zequence> Applied to University, but didn't realize what they were looking for in composition students, so I failed to enter. I could easily get in now, but haven't felt like applying for the longest time
[04:17] <zequence> I have a problem with the institutions around that sort of music
[04:19] <zequence> It's not that uncommon for people to start studying again at a later age. Schubert went back to school in his 30s
[04:19] <zequence> Takes a long time to get your compass straightened out.
[04:19] <zequence> Just like in life as a whole
[04:24] <Len-nb> zequence, ya, been there alright.
[14:25] <len-dt> zequence, interesting thread about RTC and HPET on LAU the last few days
[14:26] <zequence> len-dt: Yep


[12:14] <mhall119> is the xubuntu iso currently >700MB also?
[12:39] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[13:17] <mhall119> morning charlie-tca
[13:18] <mhall119> is the xubuntu iso currently >700MB also?
[13:18] <charlie-tca> yup
[13:18] <mhall119> any idea what's causing that?  Or is this typical for alpha1 isos?
[13:18] <charlie-tca> Alternate is about the right size, but the desktop is oversize
[13:18] <charlie-tca> typical about this time
[13:18] <mhall119> ok
[13:18] <charlie-tca> caused by stuff from Ubuntu
[13:19] <mhall119> I got the latest daily downloaded last night, so I'm going to try my xdg-launcher on it
[13:19] <charlie-tca> did it install?
[13:19] <mhall119> I haven't tried it yet
[13:19] <charlie-tca> I can't log in today. GDM is broken
[13:20] <mhall119> I'll let you know when I do
[13:20] <mhall119> :(
[13:20] <mhall119> not a good thing to have broken
[13:20] <mhall119> can you at least ctrl+alt+f1, login as yourself, then startx?
[13:20] <charlie-tca> true, but only if you plan to use Nagtty
[13:20] <mhall119> or xtartxfce4
[13:20] <charlie-tca> startx will work with sudo, but starts the xfce session instead of xubuntu
[13:20] <mhall119> start...blah
[13:21] <charlie-tca> I dropped down to maverick
[13:21] <mhall119> oh right, I think you just need to change the XDG_CONFIG_HOME and XDG_DATA_DIRS env variables to make it use the Xubuntu defaults
[13:21] <charlie-tca> I keep the latest release and the development release up to date until beta or rc
[13:25] <charlie-tca> If the development release breaks too bad for me, I just drop back to the stable release
 sudo rm -r /etc/X11/Xsession.d/52libcanberra-gtk3-module_add-to-gtk-modules/
 that's actually the proper fix :-)
[15:08] <charlie-tca> heh, and that makes gdm work again
[15:26] <charlie-tca> whew! back in natty again
[15:27] <charlie-tca> ochosi: did you get the screenshots above?
[15:28] <scott-work> hi, i'm scott lavender, the lead for ubuntu studio, i am presuming that xubuntu will be using gnome2 as the default session, can someone help me determine how i can do this for the ubuntu studio images?
[15:28] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: how do create the session for Xubuntu ? ^ ^
[15:29] <charlie-tca> scott-work: actually, we use xfce, but it means a different session
[15:31] <scott-work> charlie-tca: DOH!
[15:31] <scott-work> lol
[15:31] <scott-work> i actually knew that, but am multi-tasking coupled with i'm a dough head sometimes :P
[15:36] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit or cody-somerville will know how to do what you want, though.
[16:00] <micahg_netbook> charlie-tca: good morning
[16:01] <charlie-tca> Good morning, micahg_netbook
[16:01] <charlie-tca> How are things looking today?
[16:01] <micahg_netbook> charlie-tca: ok, I have some weird things with xubuntu on my netbook with ubuntu-desktop  installed
[16:02] <micahg_netbook> not sure what would happen w/out ubuntu-desktop
[16:02] <charlie-tca> It's a meta-package, it is safe to remove it
[16:02] <micahg_netbook> charlie-tca: I meant w/out the GNOME  components ;)
[16:03] <charlie-tca> hm, that can be problematic
[16:03] <micahg_netbook> as in a pure xubuntu install
[16:03] <charlie-tca> Did you choose the xubuntu-session at GDM?
[16:03] <micahg_netbook> yes
[16:03] <charlie-tca> what kind of weird things?
[16:04] <micahg_netbook> well, multiple don't show this message when connecting to wireless networks
[16:04] <micahg_netbook> applications menu is squished like it should be the XFCE icon
[16:04]  * micahg_netbook needs to file some bugs
[16:04] <charlie-tca> do you have both xfce-notifyd and gnome notifications installed?
[16:04]  * micahg_netbook checks
[16:05] <charlie-tca> applications menu might have replaced gnome's menu
[16:05] <micahg_netbook> charlie-tca: neither actually
[16:05] <charlie-tca> heh
[16:05] <charlie-tca> That's different
[16:06] <micahg_netbook> notifications seem to work, this is maverick BTW
[16:07] <charlie-tca> still got to use something to display those notices
[16:08] <charlie-tca> With gnome changes, it gets harder and harder to get things to work right when adding ubuntu-desktop to xubuntu or Xubuntu-desktop to ubuntu
[16:09] <charlie-tca> notify-osd should be generating those
[16:09] <micahg_netbook> charlie-tca: yep
[16:09] <charlie-tca> Hard to do anything with the multiples, though
[17:33] <mhall119> /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Notifications.service should tell you what program is providing the notifications service
[18:03] <mhall119> woot, xdg-launcher mostly works in Xubuntu
[18:03] <charlie-tca> :-)
[18:04] <mhall119> it runs anyway, but still not using the menu data I want it to be using
[18:04] <mhall119> still, it's progress
[18:08] <charlie-tca> agreed
[18:17] <ochosi> hey charlie-tca
[18:17] <ochosi> yes, got the screenshots
[18:17] <ochosi> to be honest i don't see any problems there... :/
[18:22] <ochosi> the text is not black though, the color is 3C3C3C, if you like we can test black there
[18:28] <ochosi> charlie-tca: bbl
[18:28] <charlie-tca> ochosi: Please, let's test black text if we can
[18:29] <charlie-tca> I am looking at accessibility as much as everything else. I want to be able to say we got it right for everyone
[18:31] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu Community Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 30 minutes, agenda is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Mettings
[18:32] <charlie-tca> Well the agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:00] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu Community Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting now
[19:01] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: ^ ^ ^
[19:13] <mr_pouit> micahg: the main work is already "roughly" done in pkg-xfce's svn repo
[19:13] <micahg> mr_pouit: ok, idk how to grab packages from there
[19:13] <mr_pouit> it probably needs a bit of polishing (e.g. delete autogenerated autotools files), but you don't need to coordinate with debian for that
[19:14] <mr_pouit> and I can push your changes if really needed
[19:14] <mr_pouit> micahg: you can grab the full repo with 'svn co<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:15] <mr_pouit> (more on http://pkg-xfce.alioth.debian.org/)
[19:16] <micahg> mr_pouit: ok, so I do that, then test and upload?  then update the wiki by moving to uploaded w/the ver #?
[19:16] <mr_pouit> for panel plugins, the version is not really useful, you can simply put it with the upload date, below the table yeah :)
[19:19] <micahg> ok
[19:19] <micahg> will try to do at least a couple this weekend
[19:45] <micahg> mr_pouit: why is xfce4 using 3.0 (native) instead of 3.0 (quilt)?
[19:45] <mr_pouit> it's a native metapackage, so 3.0 (quilt) isn't very useful
[19:46] <micahg> oh, hmm, I guess I misunderstood what it was :-/
[19:46] <mr_pouit> micahg: it's a metapackage to install the mandatory packages for a basic xfce4 desktop
[19:46] <micahg> mr_pouit: right, that makes sense now
[19:47] <mr_pouit> (but we have xubuntu-desktop in ubuntu, so it's only useful when you want a very minimal install)
[19:50] <micahg> or if people don't want the xubuntu branding
[19:50] <mr_pouit> yep
[19:52] <mr_pouit> dinner time, bbl
[21:41] <charlie-tca> micahg: are we asking testing for thunderbird, or did you say to disregard that part/
[21:41] <charlie-tca> ?
[21:42] <micahg> charlie-tca: well, it'll probably be pushed to Lucid today or tomorrow, so idk if it's worth putting out a call for testing, you can mention it as an update if you like that TB in Lucid is being upgraded to 3.1.7
[21:43] <charlie-tca> okay
[21:43] <charlie-tca> thanks
[21:43] <micahg> charlie-tca: I'll make sure to coordinate with you for the next major update
[21:44] <charlie-tca> Works for me.
[22:45] <ochosi> charlie-tca: may i ask you a few things about the screenshot again?
[22:45] <charlie-tca> sure
[22:45] <ochosi> the "gray text in liferea" screenshot, where's readability the worst for you?
[22:46] <charlie-tca> The text area below the titles
[22:46] <ochosi> i mean the tree on the left showing your subscriptions should be fine, right?
[22:46] <ochosi> below what titles?
[22:46] <charlie-tca> Yes, that is okay, I don't have to see it often
[22:46] <charlie-tca> The main body of text
[22:47] <ochosi> you mean the "radioweather writes..." stuff?
[22:47] <charlie-tca> yup
[22:47] <ochosi> i see
[22:47] <charlie-tca> that appears to be a grey text, and it blurs after a little bit
[22:48] <ochosi> hm, well, it isn't black as stated earlier
[22:48] <ochosi> would you mind quickly testing the black?
[22:48] <charlie-tca> Happy to try it
[22:49] <charlie-tca> What happens is too many grays begin to blend together
[22:49] <ochosi> if you could edit your /usr/share/themes/greybird/gtk-2.0/gtkrc line 7 and make the "text_color:#000000"
[22:49] <ochosi> since it's only this one value involved it's easiest if you just try it
[22:50] <ochosi> then you have to reload the theme, meaning switching back and forth
[22:52] <charlie-tca> That changed the feeds to black
[22:53] <charlie-tca> and the titles above the text box
[22:53] <ochosi> yeah, it should in fact change all the text to black
[22:53] <charlie-tca> Maybe it did
[22:53] <ochosi> unless liferea doesn't adhere to the gtk-standards
[22:53] <ochosi> could you just post another comparable screenshot?
[22:53] <charlie-tca> My eyes are clouding again, makes it harder to see, but I like that
[22:56] <charlie-tca> Does it help if I say I can read it easier?
[22:56] <ochosi> hehe, sure
[22:56] <charlie-tca> https://imagebin.org/127182
[22:56] <ochosi> i mean it's just more contrasty
[22:57] <charlie-tca> Sometimes that matters on the monitor
[22:57] <micahg> charlie-tca: TB 3.1.7 was just published to -security
[22:57] <charlie-tca> thanks, micahg
[22:57] <ochosi> hm, something doesn't work with the link you just posted... (404)
[22:57] <charlie-tca> http://imagebin.org/127182
[22:58] <charlie-tca> Well, I have to go to a piano recital now. I will be back later. Thanks for trying, though
[22:58] <charlie-tca> That second link worked, right?
[22:58] <ochosi> yep, i'll try it for a while myself and then push the change to the mercurial repository
[22:59] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[22:59] <ochosi> no problem
[22:59] <ochosi> happy we're talking about stuff like this early enough


[01:03] <pmatulis> dragoon123: consider connecting directly to another machine and perform some tests transfers.  this would isolate the LAN itself as part of the problem
[01:04] <dragoon123> pmatulis: I am currently transfering a file FROM the ubuntu server machine to my laptop atm over LAN using http
[01:04] <dragoon123> and its topping out @ 1.1MB/s atm :(
[01:05] <dragoon123> so it has fallen from 1.8MB/s to 1.1MB/s know hrmm
[01:06] <pmatulis> dragoon123: by "direct connection" i mean connecting 2 machines via a cable; no switch or any other networking h/w
[01:06] <dragoon123> pmatulis: okay one moment
[01:08] <dragoon123> lol
[01:10] <hackeron> ubuntu is making it so hard to file bugs... - I want to report that network-manager is not killing dhclient when switching to a static IP address - how do I do it? :S
[01:12] <stgraber> http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+filebug ?
[01:12] <hackeron>  thanks :)
[01:13] <hackeron> this should be mentioned on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[01:17] <Hiiroo> hi anyone awake? :D
[01:17] <hackeron> *yawn* what? who?
[01:17] <Hiiroo> good at this virt stuff?
[01:18] <hackeron> virt stuff?
[01:18] <Hiiroo> using a guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/libvirt.html
[01:18] <Hiiroo> but cant fiure it out
[01:18] <Hiiroo> you kno how it works?
[01:21] <Hiiroo> or it works on one computer but not on my ubuntu server install
[01:22] <hackeron> Hiiroo: hmm, what does it do? - a virtual KVM? - why not just use ssh for terminal and vnc for X?
[01:23] <Hiiroo> yee it is the startup script / setup for a kvm
[01:23] <Hiiroo> and you are supposed to be able to vnc into the machine
[01:24] <hackeron> I thought the whole point of a network KVM is to recover when the machine froze or stuck during boot or something - seems this wouldn't let you do that
[01:25] <dragoon123> pmatulis: I can't get a direct connection setup from win7 to linux lols
[01:25] <pmatulis> hackeron, Hiiroo: you guys are talking about different kinds of "KVM"
[01:25] <hackeron> pmatulis: no, libvirt: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/libvirt.html
[01:25] <dragoon123> This would be 10x eaiser if it were linux & linux
[01:25] <hackeron> I'm not quite getting the point of it, hmmm
[01:26] <Hiiroo> its like vmware
[01:26] <Hiiroo> its not a kvm-switch :D
[01:27] <hackeron> it does hardware emulation?
[01:27] <hackeron> or is it like Xen?
[01:27] <hackeron> if so, why not use Xen, lol
[01:27] <Hiiroo> ubuntus site recommend it and that it is so easy
[01:27] <pmatulis> dragoon123: you'll need to decide whether you want to test *any* kind of network transfer or just a specific protocol.  then maybe i can help
[01:28] <hackeron> Hiiroo: ah, cool - where does it recommend it? - I never heard of libvirt :)
[01:28] <dragoon123> pmatulis: I am just having problems getting an ip assigned for ubuntu
[01:28] <pmatulis> Hiiroo: just ask a specific question and you might get some help
[01:28] <Hiiroo> http://www.ubuntu.com/server/features/virtualisation
[01:28] <dragoon123> I have never setup a direct connection
[01:28] <hackeron> Hiiroo: thanks, I'll play around with it - only used xen so far
[01:29] <Hiiroo> ok, the problem is that the command virt-install hangs before creating the virtual disk on ubuntu server, but in normal ubuntu it works
[01:29] <Hiiroo> I dont know why it hangs
[01:30] <hackeron> anything in dmsg or /var/log/messages - also any log files for virt? -- maybe try virt-install --verbose if that's an option
[01:31] <Hiiroo> I'll check
[01:32] <Hiiroo> the thing is that this happens on several computers and I cant be the only one using that guide who has this problem but it looks like it
[01:33] <pmatulis> dragoon123: strange.  from memory: 'sudo ip addr add xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/xx broadcast + dev ethX'
[01:33] <hackeron> Hiiroo: I never used libvirt, going to check it out now on my ubuntu-server - will report if I'm having the same problem :)
[01:33] <pmatulis> dragoon123: there you are assigning a static address to device ethX (ex: eth0)
[01:33] <Hiiroo> ncie :D
[01:33] <Hiiroo> nice
[01:35] <pmatulis> Hiiroo: i don't use virt-install.  usually vmbuilder or virt-manager
[01:35] <Hiiroo> ok it does the same? I will look at it, thx
[01:35] <pmatulis> Hiiroo: i suggest virt-manager to start
[01:36] <Hiiroo> ok thanks
[01:37] <dragoon123> mur
[01:37] <pmatulis> mur?
[01:37] <dragoon123> I have static setup already, It's just windows 7 wont initialize the connection
[01:38] <Hiiroo> pmatulis, Ok I found a debug flag and got this: ERROR n connection driver available for emu:///system
[01:39] <Hiiroo> is this since there is no x installed on ubuntu server
[01:39] <pmatulis> Hiiroo: no
[01:40] <hackeron> Hiiroo: heh, well, looks like I'm stuck before you: # apt-cache search python-virtinst
[01:40] <hackeron> root@demo:~#
[01:40] <Hiiroo> hackeron, ah had same problem, it doesnt excist
[01:40] <Hiiroo> it is another name
[01:40] <Hiiroo> just do apt-cache search virt-install
[01:40] <hackeron> yeh, someone needs to update the docs
[01:40] <Hiiroo> and you find it
[01:41] <hackeron> what happened to being able to hit edit and fix documntation? :(
[01:42] <pmatulis> hackeron: you are referring to the official documentation.  it's not publicly editable
[01:42] <hackeron> so what happens when it's outdated?
[01:42] <dragoon123> pmatulis: Appearently, I need a cross over cable to do this?
[01:43] <hackeron> or rather it shouldn't be as I'm looking for documentation for the release I'm using, so probably a package update broke it or something
[01:43] <pmatulis> hackeron: what release are you using?
[01:44] <hackeron> pmatulis: 10/10 and looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/libvirt.html
[01:44] <pmatulis> hackeron: so open a bug against 'ubuntu-docs'
[01:45] <hackeron> pmatulis: like this? < http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+filebug
[01:46] <pmatulis> hackeron: yes
[01:47] <pmatulis> dragoon123: only for very old network cards
[01:49] <hackeron> pmatulis: filed, thanks :)
[01:50] <pmatulis> hackeron: bug number?
[01:50] <hackeron> #682261
[01:51] <pmatulis> hackeron: bug #682261
[01:51] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 682261 in ubuntu-docs "10.10/serverguide/C/libvirt.html - package python-virtinst should be virtinst " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682261
[01:51] <pmatulis> hackeron: good
[01:52] <dragoon123> geez
[01:52] <dragoon123> 10 years later, i had to download some dhcp software for windows 7 to fwrd ip to linux
[01:53] <dragoon123> I am getting 9MB/s know
[01:53] <dragoon123> 9-12MB/s not very stable ;s
[01:54] <dragoon123> pmautlis: Do you know what causes RX errors & packets?
[01:57] <pmatulis> dragoon123: could be a number of things
[01:58] <dragoon123> pmautlis: The count error & frame count goes up by around 6-12  every three seconds, total know is 23546
[01:58] <hackeron> dragoon123: bad switch? bad network cable? faulty network controller? overloaded load balancer?
[01:59] <hackeron> also bad driver?
[01:59] <dragoon123> hackeron: probaly bad drive, its a direct connection and I've switched between two cables
[01:59] <dragoon123> hackeron: and on windows its a stable speed
[01:59] <hackeron> cable too long? too much interference along the way (try using shielded cat5/stp)?
[02:00] <hackeron> dragoon123: direct meaning crossover?
[02:00] <hackeron> are you using an actual crossover cable?
[02:00] <Hiiroo> pmatulis, have you ever used virt-* or vmbuilder on a non-x system?
[02:00] <dragoon123> hackeron: I have no idea its just a regular ethernet cable pmatulis asked me to try a direct connection to see if it would resolve my limited network connection speed on host
[02:01] <hackeron> dragoon123: you can't use a direct connection unless you use a crossover cable...
[02:01] <pmatulis> hackeron: wrong
[02:01] <pmatulis> hackeron: all modern interfaces are auto-sensing
[02:01] <Hiiroo> pmatulis, I mean, is it easier to build the virtual machines on a x-system and then move them to the non-x system? I dont get how to install otherwise
[02:02] <patdk-lap> you can't use autosensing on a direct connection
[02:02] <patdk-lap> cause the autosensing method is made for computer -> switch, computer -> computer has matching timings and confuse the hell out of autosense
[02:02] <hackeron> pmatulis: what patdk-lap said
[02:02] <dragoon123> Well I currently have a file transfer going (connected) so...
[02:02] <pmatulis> patdk-lap: i do it all the time
[02:02] <patdk-lap> normally you have to manually set the speed for it to work
[02:02] <dragoon123> How is it working then?
[02:02] <patdk-lap> pmatulis, sometimes it works, but it's more luck, than science
[02:02] <hackeron> dragoon123: I thought you said it isn't :P
[02:03] <pmatulis> patdk-lap: it always works unless i have a very old interface
[02:03] <dragoon123> no, i said i was recieving error and frames
[02:03] <patdk-lap> maybe newer ones have adjusted the detection method to take that into account
[02:03] <dragoon123> and a limited connection speed
[02:03] <hackeron> dragoon123: yeh, try a crossover cable, they'll probably go away :P
[02:03] <patdk-lap> dragoon123, are you sure both sides have the same speed and duplex set?
[02:03] <patdk-lap> or autodetect the same
[02:04] <patdk-lap> that is the issue I normally see, one side goes full duplex 100mbit, and other goes 10mbit half
[02:04] <dragoon123> hackeron: When i have it connected through my router its the same but with limited connection speed
[02:04] <dragoon123> patdk-lap: Its directly connected to my laptop atm, with 100MB/s full duplex
[02:05] <dragoon123> patdk-lap: the file transfer speed is very unstable though 6MB/s - 12MB/s
[02:05] <patdk-lap> on both sides?
[02:05] <dragoon123> yea
[02:05] <patdk-lap> how are you testing transfer speeds?
[02:05] <patdk-lap> from a laptop harddrive?
[02:05] <dragoon123> no
[02:05] <dragoon123> I have a file on the host(ubuntu-server) pc being uploaded to my laptop (windows7) over apache2 (http)
[02:06] <hackeron> lol
[02:06] <patdk-lap> so you have harddrives on both ends, plus the network connection, plus apache, plus firefox? all in the mix there :)
[02:06] <patdk-lap> nice test :)
[02:06] <dragoon123> no firefox
[02:06] <patdk-lap> ie8 :)
[02:06] <dragoon123> no
[02:06] <dragoon123> download manager
[02:06] <hackeron> hahaha :)
[02:06] <hackeron> nice :)
[02:07] <dragoon123> =p
[02:07] <patdk-lap> well, if your getting interface errors
[02:07] <patdk-lap> you have a bad nic, or bad cable
[02:07] <patdk-lap> only possibilities
[02:07] <pmatulis> Hiiroo: you use virt-manager to create the virtual machines
[02:07] <dragoon123> When I reboot the host to windows 8 (its a dual boot machine) the file transfer is stable though
[02:07] <dragoon123> windows 7*
[02:07] <hackeron> patdk-lap: or bad driver?
[02:08] <patdk-lap> hackeron, possible, but not normally likely
[02:08] <hackeron> yep
[02:08] <patdk-lap> what nic is it?
[02:08] <dragoon123> the driver is e100, with port MII TP
[02:08] <patdk-lap> I know the e1000e where having some issues alittle while ago
[02:08] <dragoon123> its some intel NIC i'd have to reboot to win 7 to get the exact name
[02:08] <dragoon123> (100MB/s) max
[02:08] <patdk-lap> never heard of lspci, pci id, ...
[02:09] <patdk-lap> I doubt it's 100MB/s
[02:09] <patdk-lap> e100 caps at 100mbit
[02:09] <dragoon123> er ya that
[02:09] <dragoon123> sorry
[02:09] <dragoon123> 100Mbps
[02:10] <patdk-lap> what ubuntu version?
[02:10] <dragoon123> patdk-lap: they do not return the driver name only the drive fmaily name
[02:10] <dragoon123> Ubuntu-Server 10.10
[02:11] <patdk-lap> dragoon123, lspci returns more info than you know what to do with :)
[02:11] <patdk-lap> it gives you the card id, the pci id (all info about that card is in that id), the driver used for that device
[02:11] <patdk-lap> all specs of the card
[02:12] <dragoon123> patdk-lap: I could only get it to return Intel corporation M10/ICH 7 Family LAN controller..
[02:12] <dragoon123> which is useless
[02:12] <patdk-lap> lspci -v
[02:13] <dragoon123> same thing
[02:13] <dragoon123> just includes Hewllet packard know
[02:13] <dragoon123> Hewlett(*
[02:13] <patdk-lap> 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82566MM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 03)
[02:13] <patdk-lap> 	Kernel driver in use: e1000e
[02:13] <patdk-lap> 	Kernel modules: e1000e
[02:13] <patdk-lap> for my laptop
[02:13] <dragoon123> sec ill pastebin it
[02:16] <dragoon123> http://pastebin.com/0sjCYYEG
[02:16] <patdk-lap> e100 driver
[02:17] <dragoon123> ?
[02:17] <patdk-lap> are you sure your not getting errors or corruption when using windows on it?
[02:18] <dragoon123> hmm
[02:18] <patdk-lap> I have noticed that linux and windows handles packet retries completely different
[02:18] <dragoon123> Well I figured since I had a stable connection on windows no
[02:18] <dragoon123> but should I find a program which can .... show errors i guess?
[02:22] <pmatulis> dragoon123: do you have any other non-windows system to test with?
[02:23] <patdk-lap> ya, could always load the ubuntu desktop live cd, and give it a try
[02:23] <dragoon123> hmm
[02:24] <dragoon123> no cd-drive on host
[02:27] <dragoon123> Well, anyways I'll load up a bootable usb after since I pretty much know its a router problem
[02:28] <dragoon123> maybe the rx error&frame is just a problem with the ubuntu-server drivers
[02:28] <dragoon123> Thanks for your help all :)
[02:33] <JanC> patdk-lap: e1000e is still having issues BTW, not only "a little while ago"
[02:39] <pmatulis> too bad dragon123 didn't specify the pci id of his card
[02:59] <patdk-lap> janc, ah heh, I hadn't heard anything about it since 10.10 was released :)
[03:01] <JanC> patdk-lap: my 82566DM-2 doesn't want to go higher than 100 Mbit/s, and judging from other bugs on LP some peopel only get 10 or 0 Mbit/s...
[03:01]  * JanC wonders why Intel can't write proper drivers for their own hardware...
[03:03] <patdk-lap> hmm, mine works fine, on 10.04 though, so I haven't used the newer intel driver for the e1000e
[03:04] <patdk-lap> my 10.10 (actually on 11.04 now) only has a e1000 card
[03:29] <JanC> I have that bug on 10.04 & 10.10 (didn't try with older versions yet)
[03:30] <JanC> oh, and with the 2.6.37 kernel too
[03:37] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #530051 in autofs5 (main) "Autofs and semiautomatic credentials" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/530051
[04:02] <_Techie_> for some reason my wget isnt breaking command on ^C
[04:09] <Guest79434> ada orang indonesia dsini?
[10:05] <twb> What's this "virtio" stuff, and how do I use it?
[10:06] <twb> (re. kvm)
[10:10] <twb> Here we go http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Virtio
[10:29] <Starhero> Hello can someone please help me, i need to force a fsck on my main ub drive
[10:29] <Starhero> and i am not sure how to do it during boot
[10:30] <Starhero> Oh god don't tell me there are 258 idlers in here...
[10:31] <mrmist> nah there's less than that, you're talking
[10:31] <Starhero> haha
[10:32] <Starhero> Might you know how i could force the server to check all drives (primarly sda...all partitions?)
[10:32] <mrmist> I'm afraid that knowledge escapes me
[10:37] <air^> Starhero: tried googling it? for example http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-force-fsck-on-the-next-reboot-or-boot-sequence/
[10:38] <Starhero> I did but that was nto found
[10:39] <Starhero> I was getting all kinds of thigns so...i figured jsut ask someone
[10:39] <Starhero> I knew that there was like 500000 irc channels for linux period so...I learned a lot through irc about linux but never needed to do this...Thank you for the information
[12:47] <ph0t0nix> Hi all.
[12:47] <ph0t0nix> I'm having trouble getting my KVM VMs to start after upgrading the real server from 10.04 to 10.10.
[12:47] <ph0t0nix> It seems that apparmor is in the way:
[12:48] <ph0t0nix> error: Failed to start domain krimson
[12:48] <ph0t0nix> error: internal error Process exited while reading console log output: libvir: Security Labeling error : internal error error calling aa_change_profile()
[12:48] <ph0t0nix>
[12:49] <ph0t0nix> so I disabled libvirtd's profile by making a symlink in /etc/apparmor.d/disable, but now I have permission errors for the LVM LV that contains the file system for the VM.
[12:51] <ph0t0nix> Does anybody have an idea how to fix this (chmod-ing the /dev entries for the LV to a+rw seems to work...)
[12:53] <ikonia> ph0t0nix: that's an intersting issue
[12:53] <ph0t0nix> :-)
[12:53] <ikonia> ph0t0nix: are the lvm errors on the lvm devices or the actual lvm file systems
[12:54] <ph0t0nix> on the devices:
[12:54] <ph0t0nix> brw-rw---- 1 root disk 251, 11 2010-11-28 13:12 /dev/dm-11
[12:54] <ph0t0nix> brw-rw-rw- 1 root disk 251, 12 2010-11-28 13:51 /dev/dm-12
[12:54] <ph0t0nix>
[12:54] <ph0t0nix> dm-12 is used by a VM that is running now
[12:55] <ph0t0nix> starting a VM with an LV that doesn't have 666 permissions gives:
[12:55] <ikonia> ph0t0nix: should those devices not be in a volume group
[12:55] <ph0t0nix> # virsh start gaffel
[12:55] <ph0t0nix> error: Failed to start domain gaffel
[12:55] <ph0t0nix> error: internal error process exited while connecting to monitor: char device redirected to /dev/pts/3
[12:55] <ph0t0nix> qemu: could not open disk image /dev/raidvg01/gaffel-vm3: Permission denied
[12:56] <ph0t0nix>
[12:56] <ph0t0nix> # ls -l /dev/raidvg01/gaffel-vm3
[12:56] <ph0t0nix> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2010-11-28 13:12 /dev/raidvg01/gaffel-vm3 -> ../dm-15
[12:56] <ph0t0nix>
[12:56] <ikonia> ph0t0nix: I wonder if it's as simple as udev rules
[12:56] <ph0t0nix> # ls -l /dev/dm-15
[12:56] <ph0t0nix> brw-rw---- 1 root root 251, 15 2010-11-28 13:12 /dev/dm-15
[12:56] <ph0t0nix>
[12:56] <ph0t0nix> Notice that virsh has changed the group from disk to root...
[12:57] <ph0t0nix> nice idea about udev. haven't looked into that yet
[13:03] <ph0t0nix> hmm, libvirtd runs as root, but the one VM that's running (with the 666 LV) runs with uid 116, which is libvirt-qemu.
[13:05] <ph0t0nix> that explains the permission error. I'll try to add the libvirt-qemu user to the disk group
[13:06] <ikonia> odd that the upgrade would change this
[13:08] <ph0t0nix> ikonia: true. And adding the user to the disk group doesn't change a thing.. Still Permission denied
[14:29] <awanti> hi, I want to setup a domain in my office. so any one can guide me how to configure domain for my small office. In my office 40 pc are there (running windows xp) NOW i have to setup a server for that. I chooses Ubuntu Desktop edition. But most people are saying go Ubuntu server edition on #ubuntu chat room.
[15:12] <meatflag> amanti: what services do you want the server to provide? Samba, DNS, HTTP?
[16:22] <MrStarbuck83> hi everybody
[16:22] <MrStarbuck83> Can anyone recommend a lightweight ident server?
[16:35] <MrStarbuck83> test
[16:36] <billybigrigger> where does nfs log to?
[16:43] <MrStarbuck83> anybody got this bug too? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-apt/+bug/664514
[16:43] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 664514 in python-apt "Unattended upgrade fails with segmentation fault in Ubuntu Server 10.10" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:43] <MrStarbuck83> Wow
[17:15] <bla_bla> what would be a good easy to use nube email and calendaring server to use/install ?
[17:25] <RoyK> bla_bla: there are several out there, but I landed on zimbra
[17:26] <RoyK> bla_bla: it doesn't come with ubuntu, and it is best run on a dedicated machine or VM
[17:26] <RoyK> bla_bla: a bit on the heavy side, but it works well and all normal administration is done with a web gui
[17:27] <RoyK> bla_bla: so if you have memory enough to run zimbra as a VM, go ahead
[18:20] <bla_bla> RoyK: my server has 768 mb i think
[18:22] <RoyK> bla_bla: then forget about zimbra - it will need 1GB alone
[18:24] <bla_bla> RoyK: all i want really is a good email program and calendearing service
[18:24] <RoyK> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_project_management_software
[21:52] <teardrop-> how to set wireles password in ubuntu server ?
[22:25] <teardrop-> how to set wireles password in ubuntu server ?
[23:11] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #682500 in openssh (main) "Agent admitted failure to sign using the key." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682500
[23:16] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #682501 in php5 (main) "php5 5.3.3-1 causing segfaults -> 5.3.3-4 backport for maverick?" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682501


[11:59] <Keybuk> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~upstart-devel/upstart/trunk-translations/revision/1212
[11:59] <Keybuk> that's kinda cute ;)
[13:05] <plautrba> nih_config_token doesn't accept token with any expansion
[13:06] <plautrba> is there another function or this should be fixed?
[13:06] <plautrba> ehm back
[13:07] <plautrba> nih_config_next_arg is that function which calls nih_config_token with NIH_CONFIG_CNLWS delimiters
[13:09] <plautrba> idea is in parse_job.c - stanza_utmp() get utmp arg with nih_config_next_arg() and then expand it with environ_expand()
[13:10] <soren> 7win 21
[13:10] <soren> Doh.
[14:26] <Keybuk> plautrba: not sure what you mean?
[14:29] <plautrba> Keybuk: I call nih_config_next_arg() on positition where is "${TTY#tty}\n"
[14:29] <plautrba> and it returns "${TTY"
[14:29] <plautrba> because there is '#' in delimiters
[14:29] <Keybuk> really, even though it's in quotes?
[14:30] <plautrba> quotes are mine, just that is string
[14:30] <Keybuk> oh, right
[14:30] <Keybuk> that sounds likely
[14:31] <Keybuk> nih_config_token() would probably need to be extended to ignore # inside { .. }
[14:31] <plautrba> so I think nih_config_token() should also take care about ${ .. }
[14:31] <plautrba> yes
[14:31] <plautrba> not just ignore # but work with everything in ${ } in same way as it would be quoted or so
[14:31] <Keybuk> could probably argue inside [ ... ] and ( ... ) too
[14:32] <Keybuk> dunno whether you'd treat ${ specially
[14:33] <plautrba> utmp ${TTY#tty}
[14:33] <Keybuk> I mean compared to just { ... }
[14:33] <Keybuk> author<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:33] <Keybuk> should that # be a comment? :)
[14:34] <plautrba> i see
[14:35] <plautrba> but that would be simply quoted
[14:36] <Keybuk> one could argue that the utmp example should be quoted
[14:36] <plautrba> or maybe escaped - ${TTY\#tty}
[14:37] <Keybuk> right, either of those works
[14:37] <Keybuk> that's kinda ugly though
[14:38] <Keybuk> the reason obviously is that $... and ${...} aren't part of the config grammar
[14:38] <Keybuk> they're expansions selectively applied to certain arguments
[14:38] <Keybuk> well after config parsing
[15:07] <sadmac2> Keybuk: responded to your comments
[16:02] <Keybuk> sadmac2: great, will take a look in a second
[16:02] <Keybuk> sadmac2: could you forward them to the LP review system if you haven't already?
[16:02] <Keybuk><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:02] <sadmac2> Keybuk: ok..
[16:03] <sadmac2> Keybuk: I should have a patch for most of the stuff tonight.
[16:04] <Keybuk> thanks


[02:18] <tjaalton> lool, jcristau: yes, tga and vga should be dropped soonish
[02:18] <tjaalton> lool: go for it
[02:25] <bryce> ok, time for some -intel driver bug spamming...
[02:25] <bryce> heya tjaalton
[03:37] <bryce> spamming complete... 170 bugs affected
[04:01] <pwnguin> heh
[04:02] <pwnguin> you know, i actually subscribe to entire packages
[04:06] <bryce> pwnguin: so then enjoy all the emails from me.  :-)
[04:06] <bryce> bbl
[04:06] <bryce> oh hey, btw I've also switched -ati from XAA to EXA by default.  Lemme know of any new problems this causes.
[05:33] <lool> Cool
[05:40] <lool> bryce: Hmm your automatic notice was also sent to bugs which were already upstreamed
[05:40] <lool> Such as #149430
[07:41] <bryce> lool: yeah I considered excluding them, but figured re-testing with latest may make sense, in case the issue had gotten resolved upstream but the bug not updated.
[11:29] <lool> bryce: Some of the bugs in your -ati uploads didn't have any # and probably weren't closed as a result: was this on purpose?
[11:29] <lool> Sorry if it was
[14:58] <mahfiaz> hi everybody, I am having problem with this intel default setting which sets external monitor to primary
[14:59] <mahfiaz> is there any workaround, and can this be applied to ubuntu by default, I suppose working around weird defaults would make sense
[15:13] <mahfiaz> bryce, anybody?
[18:21] <bryce> lool: no wasn't on purpose; I cursed and then went back after and closed them manually
[18:23] <bryce> mahfiaz: the defaults are not weird if you consider the case of someone connecting to a projector
[18:24] <jcristau> with randr 1.3 you can at least change the primary
[18:24] <bryce> mahfiaz: the reason it's like this, is that there are two crtcs and afaik the LVDS can only be connected to the second.  The first is the primary display if anything is connected to it
[18:35] <jcristau> sounds right
[19:49] <mahfiaz> bryce, jcristau, bad thing is it is laptop, and on whenever I connect, it is on the external
[19:49] <mahfiaz> but I get the point, not anybody is able to figure out how to get picture to the external one then
[19:50] <mahfiaz> but this i why default is cloning
[19:52] <mahfiaz> jcristau, on intrepid I have randr 1.2, I think I have to upgrade to unstable give it a try, I will keep you posted
[19:54] <mahfiaz> bryce, I also sometime told you that I had never seen openoffice external monitor support working, but I works fine, when multiple monitors are available
[21:04] <joumetal> i815 isn't working at all with latest upgrades.
[21:06] <joumetal> however using kernel without i810 drm (hopefully right word) it works as before.
[21:09] <tormod> joumetal: so you delete or unload i810.ko ?
[21:10] <joumetal> i am using custom kernel now.
[21:11] <tormod> joumetal: ok. does it freeze at X startup? logs?
[21:12] <joumetal> yes at startup. it's giving a 10 line long backtrace.
[21:13] <tormod> well please add the backtrace to your bug report
[21:14]  * joumetal goes reporting
[21:24] <joumetal> reported as bug 310075


[22:29] <thumper> abentley: hey
[22:29] <thumper> just a quick question
[22:29] <thumper> I have a branch that I branched off trunk
[22:29] <thumper> but I want to make the tip revision the last one that is in common with trunk, and a release branch
[22:29] <thumper> what's the command for that?
[22:35] <thumper> nm, found it


[01:11] <mup> Bug #1481992 opened: Upgrade of grub-pc during install fails <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1481992>
[04:18] <mup> Bug #1397952 changed: DNS breaks for multihomed host <canonical-bootstack> <canonical-is> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1397952>
[13:12] <jogarret6204> Hi folks. i'm having trouble getting maas 1.8 to work with 1404.  does this combination work, or should I back down to something in 1.7?
[13:13] <jogarret6204> can't provision VMs.  can't bootstrap juju
[13:13] <jogarret6204> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1481970
[13:37] <roaksoax> jogarret6204: is maas-dhcpd running?
[13:37] <roaksoax> jogarret6204: can you test sudo add-apt-repository ppa:maas-maintainers/experimental
[13:37] <roaksoax> jogarret6204: and then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -> to upgrade MAAS
[13:37] <jogarret6204> trying now
[13:38] <roaksoax> jogarret6204: this is weirD:
[13:38] <roaksoax>  provisioningserver.service_monitor.UnknownServiceError: 'maas-dhcpd' is unknown to upstart.
[13:38] <roaksoax> if it is maas on trusty, i wonder why that would be unknown to upstart
[13:39] <jogarret6204> saw soemthing in release notes about transitioning to systemd...  was wondering if I was caught in transition phase
[13:39] <jogarret6204> ..by using 1.8 on trusty..
[13:40] <roaksoax> jogarret6204: can you show me your sudoers ?
[13:40] <roaksoax> jogarret6204: /etc/sudoers.d/99-maas-sudoers
[13:40] <roaksoax>  ?
[13:41] <jogarret6204> maas ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/service maas-dhcpd start
[13:41] <jogarret6204> its about 20 lines - where should I post it?
[13:42] <roaksoax> jogarret6204: pastebin ?
[13:42] <roaksoax> jogarret6204: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12013755/
[13:42] <roaksoax> jogarret6204: does it look like that?
[13:43] <jogarret6204> yes - identical...  interesting that all three of these show up in logs asn not recognized by upstart
[13:44] <jogarret6204> Aug  6 09:42:54 maas maas.service_monitor: [ERROR] While monitoring service 'tgt' an error was encountered: 'tgt' is unknown to upstart.
[13:44] <roaksoax> jogarret6204: are you running on trusty with systemd?
[13:45] <roaksoax> jogarret6204: by installing 1.8.1 no fix either?
[13:45] <jogarret6204> idk how can I tell?  I'm a network guy.  just learning linux
[13:45] <roaksoax> jogarret6204: sudo service maas-dhcpd status ?
[13:45] <roaksoax> ls /var/lib/systemd ?
[13:45] <roaksoax> blake_r_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1481970
[13:45] <jogarret6204> oh - I know that service is running, yes
[13:46] <jogarret6204> now sure how to tell if I am running systemd
[13:47] <roaksoax> jogarret6204: ls /var/lib/systemd ?
[13:48] <jogarret6204> think I am running it
[13:48] <jogarret6204> http://pastebin.com/m6SRBwAu
[13:48] <roaksoax> jogarret6204: nope you are not
[13:49] <jogarret6204> no?  what is the indicator?
[13:49] <roaksoax> jogarret6204: /lib/systemd/systemd
[13:54] <blake_r_> jogarret6204: does /etc/init/maas-dhcpd.conf exist?
[13:56] <jogarret6204> will check - restarting now.  assume it is because I provisioned 10 bare-metal machinse yesterday.. oever with the failures today, mahine gets IP, then gives it back before failing
[13:57] <jogarret6204> yes.  exists.  interesting that you ask, because I rebuilt this entire machine yesterday because maas-dhcp process was not starting, /maas/dhcpd.copnf fiel was not getting created was in the logs
[13:57] <jogarret6204> but on this rebuild the maas-dhcp is starting ok
[14:01] <jogarret6204> same fail as the bug with version 1.8
[14:01] <jogarret6204> UnhandledCommand: ('UNHANDLED', 'Unknown Error [maas:pid=973:cmd=RemoveHostMaps:ask=18]')
[14:01] <jogarret6204> maas-dhcpd.conf file does exist
[14:02] <blake_r_> jogarret6204: can you do "sudo service maas-dhcpd status"
[14:02] <blake_r_> jogarret6204: and provide the output
[14:03] <jogarret6204> maas-dhcpd start/running, process 1656
[14:04] <mup> Bug #1432666 changed: [FFe] New upstream release 1.8.0 <upgrade-software-version> <maas (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1432666>
[14:07] <blake_r_> jogarret6204: wierd
[14:07] <jogarret6204> added the new clusterd trace tothe bug, but line numbers were the same
[14:07] <blake_r_> jogarret6204: ah check your sudoers
[14:07] <blake_r_> jogarret6204: /etc/sudoers.d/maas
[14:07] <blake_r_> jogarret6204: what is the content of that?
[14:10] <jogarret6204> is is same as roaksoax had posted earlier
[14:10] <jogarret6204> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12013755/
[14:10] <jogarret6204> one thing my be dofferent on my system
[14:10] <jogarret6204> I have libvirt and using kvm on this machine to make my VM for juju to use for deployment
[14:11] <jogarret6204> so I added a maas user myself, wiht a password.
[14:11] <jogarret6204> would that conflict at all here?  since I see this maas user being used a lot
[14:11] <jogarret6204> was adding my maas user to libvirt for power control of the VM
[14:43] <jogarret6204> @blake_r_ - any other ideas?  or should I back down into 1.7? I need to get this environment up today. I do appreciate the help from both you and roalksoax
[14:43] <blake_r_> jogarret6204: is the maas user part of the maas group?
[14:46] <jogarret6204> i was alloweed to add it so I assume not.
[14:46] <jogarret6204> retrying a provision after adding  - no dice.,  same exceptions and fail
[14:48] <blake_r_> jogarret6204: you will need to restart the system
[14:49] <jogarret6204> k - restarting
[15:01] <jogarret6204> failed again.  also GUI for nodes hangs with "connecting" status.  restarting one more time
[15:01] <jogarret6204> other gui screens avaialable at the time..  just the MAAS/#/nodes hangs at "connecting"
[15:05] <jogarret6204> sorry - browser issue.  works fin in chrime.  IE is "connecting"
[15:14] <blake_r_> jogarret6204: IE does not support websockets
[15:14] <blake_r_> jogarret6204: so that didn't work?
[15:14] <jogarret6204> nope.  just tried again
[15:14] <blake_r_> jogarret6204: you have something not configured correctly since you created the maas user manually
[15:15] <blake_r_> jogarret6204: the maas user needs to be able to use sudo for those commands
[15:15] <blake_r_> jogarret6204: try this "sudo -u maas -H server maas-dhcpd status"
[15:15] <blake_r_> jogarret6204: if that fails then your maas user is incorrect
[15:18] <jogarret6204> that works
[15:18] <jogarret6204> but I do see issues in syslog
[15:19] <jogarret6204> maas sudo: pam_unix(sudo:auth): auth could not identify password for [maas]
[15:21] <blake_r_> jogarret6204: maas should require no password to execute that command
[15:21] <blake_r_> jogarret6204: something is incorrect with your maas user and sudoers
[15:31] <jogarret6204> I think you got it!  changed visudo from:  maas ALL=(ALL)  ALL  to maas ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
[15:32] <jogarret6204> juju is bootstrapping
[15:32] <blake_r_> jogarret6204: awesome!
[15:32] <blake_r_> jogarret6204: glad you figured it out
[15:32] <blake_r_> jogarret6204: let me know if you have any more questions or run into any more issues
[15:32] <jogarret6204> yep.  all me.  :-)  - Your helpis much appreciated!
[15:33] <jogarret6204> roaksoax thanks to you as well.
[15:33] <roaksoax> jogarret6204: was this a clean systme?
[15:33] <roaksoax> or what changed that?
[15:33] <blake_r_> roaksoax: no he created the maas user manually
[15:34] <blake_r_> roaksoax: it was part of the maas user group, and he made changes manually
[15:34] <roaksoax> blake_r_: gotcha!
[15:34] <jogarret6204> it was a clean build, then updated.  Added libvirt, added maas user when adding libvirt for power control
[15:35] <jogarret6204> some internal notes I had using maas as the virsh user...
[15:38] <mup> Bug #1481970 changed: 'maas-dhcpd' is unknown to upstart. <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1481970>
[21:09] <mup> Bug #1455770 changed: 100 GB disk shows as 1 in GUI <apport-collected> <sts> <tests> <third-party-packages> <trusty> <MAAS:Fix Released> <MAAS 1.7:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1455770>
[21:30] <mup> Bug #1482385 opened: boot-sources disappear after import <cisco> <landscape> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1482385>
[21:33] <mup> Bug #1482385 changed: boot-sources disappear after import <cisco> <landscape> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1482385>
[21:39] <mup> Bug #1482385 opened: boot-sources disappear after import <cisco> <landscape> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1482385>
[22:33] <mup> Bug #1482405 opened: Unhandled failure dispatching AMPQ command <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1482405>
[22:36] <mup> Bug #1482405 changed: Unhandled failure dispatching AMPQ command <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1482405>
[22:39] <mup> Bug #1482405 opened: Unhandled failure dispatching AMPQ command <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1482405>