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[10:03] <acheronuk> mamarley: do aurorae window decorations work for you on plasma 5.10?
[10:03] <acheronuk> on Nvidia
[10:14] <mamarley> acheronuk: I'm not sure what you mean.  I only see Breeze and Plastik themes installed and a search in Synaptic reveals a GTK theme called "gtk2-engine-aurora", but that's all.
[10:17] <acheronuk> mamarley: one you can download if you click "get new decorations" button
[10:18] <acheronuk> like arc theme
[10:18] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[14:08] <santa_> good afternoon everyone
[14:09] <BluesKaj> hi santa_
[14:09] <santa_> hey
[14:15] <santa_> acheronuk: hi, are you around?
[14:15] <acheronuk> santa_: for a bit
[14:17] <santa_> acheronuk: well, I just wanted to tell you, that now the applications 17.04.1 are - hopefully - ready in git. however I'm going to do a complete rebuild of staging just to make sure the abi manager rollbacks are effective
[14:18] <santa_> so if you want to work with a motu to get new packages sorted out, now you can go ahead both for plasma and apps
[14:18] <acheronuk> kolorpaint failed yesteray with missing files I noticed
[14:18] <santa_> hmm
[14:18] <santa_> in the kci you mean?
[14:19] <santa_> oh, I see, let me dig into that then
[14:20] <acheronuk> santa_: and kstars had it's build dep on libindi bumped to 1.3.1, so that fails as well
[14:21] <santa_> yeah, well, and we have ark needing a new libzip
[14:23] <acheronuk> santa_: yes, but for Kstars I think clive tried to make it an optional build dep, but that is failing on kubuntu_archive branch so dep-waiting
[14:24] <santa_> in any case we just have to update libindi sooner or later
[14:25] <acheronuk> santa_: https://launchpad.net/~rikmills/+archive/ubuntu/staging1/+sourcepub/7861958/+listing-archive-extra
[14:25] <acheronuk> was looking at it, but not sure what to do about the missing symbols TBH
[14:27] <santa_> aha
[14:27] <acheronuk> and a whole library had to go byebye
[14:27] <santa_> ?
[14:28] <acheronuk> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/322326060/libindi_1.4.1-0ubuntu1~ppa2_1.4.1-0ubuntu1~ppa3.diff.gz
[14:28] <acheronuk> libindi1 lib no longer built
[14:28] <santa_> ok
[14:28] <acheronuk> neon did a build and removed the same lib, so not just my build
[14:29] <acheronuk> anyway............. we can look further at it
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[14:37] <santa_> acheronuk: fyi there's also a new KA with a few bugfixes
[14:37] <santa_> it's worth mentioning that now - probably - you won't need to use '-f' with kubuntu-retry-builds
[14:38] <santa_> and that would be a cool thing
[14:38] <acheronuk> santa_: thanks :) you using 5.10 still?
[14:38] <santa_> plasma 5.10? yes
[14:38] <santa_> I have installed it from backports-landing for zesty
[14:39] <acheronuk> santa_: do the aurorae themes work for you?
[14:40] <santa_> how do I install that?
[14:40] <acheronuk> from "get new decorations" in the windows decorations KCM
[14:41] <acheronuk> e.g. like: http://i.imgur.com/Xq0qZi3.png
[14:41] <acheronuk> they don't for me, but seem to in the live iso with same plasma version
[14:42] <acheronuk> so just want someone esle to confirm they are ok
[14:42] <acheronuk> then I know I've busted something on this install somewhere :/
[14:43] <acheronuk> or kwin hates my Nvidia card
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[14:47] <santa_> acheronuk: karc works here, apparently
[14:47] <acheronuk> santa_: right. I've broken something here then. :)
[14:47] <acheronuk> oddly, I hoped I had
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 Wait it's in zesty landing?
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 @ahoneybun, 5.10? yes
 right just saw that I have it on 17.04 in the VM
 5.10.1 is out on Tuesday
[16:58] <mparillo> Maybe I should G+ about it now then
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[19:07] <ahoneybun> current setup for the slideshow: http://imgur.com/a/adFhN
[19:07] <ahoneybun> slides that good to go on layout I think
[19:07] <ahoneybun> text would need to be worked on
[19:22] <valorie> on the Getting Help with Kubuntu slide, why are the paras bullet points?
[19:23] <valorie> that knocks the text out of alignment
[19:23] <valorie> same question with getting involved
[19:23] <valorie> ahoneybun: looks like you've removed some slides?
[19:32] <ahoneybun> right yea just left it like that from before
[19:33] <valorie> well, taht's my only quibble
[19:33] <ahoneybun> valorie: yea I have a few disabled atm
[19:33] <ahoneybun> I agree with acheronuk that most people won't see all of those with new hard drives and such
[19:33] <valorie> I can see some changes I would make in the text, but I know you don't want that yet
[19:33] <valorie> sure, some people won't look at all
[19:35] <acheronuk> can maybe add a couple more as long and the ones and support and contributing are in that part most people will see
[19:35] <acheronuk> just 10-12 slides was OTT
[19:35] <valorie> right, get the most important done
[19:35] <valorie> we can always add more if necessary or wanted
[19:36] <ahoneybun> fixed
[19:36] <valorie> \o/
[19:36] <acheronuk> I would like to make the buttons to advance and go back in the sideshow better. more obvious
[19:36] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: OTT?
[19:36] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: not sure about those
[19:36] <acheronuk> that way people can skim forward if they want
[19:36] <ahoneybun> they work so I'm more happy about that
[19:37] <acheronuk> they work, but look a bit rubbish and not too obvious what they are
[19:38] <acheronuk> I had a play with them the other day. I'll think about that. concentrate on the slides
[19:39] <valorie> those little gray things are buttons?
[19:39] <valorie> I wondered what they were!
[19:39] <acheronuk> excactly!
[19:40] <ahoneybun> xD
[19:41] <valorie> for starters, that's a bad placement for forward and back
[19:41] <ahoneybun> valorie: acheronuk : http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24763534/
[19:41] <ahoneybun> current order
[19:41] <ahoneybun> the ones without numbers are WIP
[19:41] <ahoneybun> I'm wondering since we have the Tour on our website that maybe half would go
[19:42] <valorie> huh, it's raining
[19:43] <valorie> can't mow the lawn now even if I wanted to! \o/
[19:44] <acheronuk> or some could be merged to be more concise? office and PIM?
[19:45] <acheronuk> but yes, this is just a few highlights to look at while installing, not a feature tour
[19:45] <ahoneybun> yeaa
[19:45] <ahoneybun> I've said this before but I like the minimal of Xubuntu's
[19:46] <mparillo> On the second slideshow slide, I understand the text needs to fit nicely but it seems that it would be more natural to write, Kubuntu comes with most of the applications that you need on a daily basis.
[19:47] <ahoneybun> fixed
[20:57] <acheronuk> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=380440
[21:22] <acheronuk> santa_: smoothly upgraded to 17.04.1 apps
[21:38] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: can I remove that sddm ppa?
[21:39] <ahoneybun> !info sddm
[21:39] <ahoneybun> yea
[21:39] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: yep, was uplaoded to artful
[21:55] <ahoneybun> took out staging too
[21:55] <ahoneybun> well plasma one
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[09:46] <cjwatson> nomadz: What does "ssh -v git.launchpad.net" say?
[11:02] <guruprasad> Ah, it could be an issue with the accepted algorithms too.
[11:11] <cjwatson> Shouldn't be unless they have a very customized configuration
[11:11] <cjwatson> Hopefully ssh -v output will give some clues
[15:27] <nomadz> cjwatson, i trashed the instance, had some other problems too after cloning. will try soon again, ty :)


[11:08] <manadart> stickupkid: Trivial one turned up during our discussion: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12202
[11:15] <manadart> stickupkid: Thanks; another trivial one: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12203
[11:16] <stickupkid> ha, I've got this fix as well
[11:16] <stickupkid> locally
[13:28] <stickupkid> manadart, https://github.com/juju/environschema/pull/16
[14:17] <manadart> hml: Can you take a look at this small one? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12204
[14:19] <hml> manadart: sure
[14:31] <hml> manadart: approved
[14:41] <manadart> hml: Thanks.
[15:01] <stickupkid> hml or manadart CR please https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12183
[15:04] <hml> stickupkid: i’m fighting with the windows merge unit test


[07:40] <smartboyhw> ypwong, maclin1 so, how are you guys after Alpha 1 release?
[08:05] <maclin1> smartboyhw, we are continuely going on with the development of feature applications and arrange the plan of translations as well as QA work.  Many things need to do to catch up with the A2 point.
[15:28] <smartboyhw> ypwong, ping ping
[15:50] <ypwong> smartboyhw, pong
[15:50] <smartboyhw> ypwong, who's Xiaojun Ma? Do you know him?
[15:50] <smartboyhw> Not maclin
[15:51] <ypwong> smartboyhw, i know him
[15:51] <ypwong> what's up
[15:53] <smartboyhw> ypwong, is he a Canonical employee?
[15:53] <ypwong> no
[15:53] <smartboyhw> ypwong, oh interesting.
[15:53] <ypwong> oh why
[15:54] <smartboyhw> He's annoying our -devel mailing lists and different platforms for strong affirmating for MIr
[15:55] <ypwong> that's his style
[15:55] <ypwong> I already get used to that


[15:15] <Fantu> hi, this is the right place for ask to take a look for a possible SRU of nemo in for bionic? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nemo/+bug/1903451 thanks for any reply and sry for my bad english


[11:19] <knome> any way to revert the thunderbird buttons back to non-white?
[19:06] <FernandoMiguel> evening


[20:29] <ibeardslee> morning
[21:26] <ajmitch> morning
[21:27] <hads> Morning
[21:31] <chilts> mornings
[21:49] <hads> Chilly
[21:50] <chilts> heh, I haven't been called Chilly for ages, it's usually chilts but I'll still respond :)
[21:51] <ibeardslee> not as cold as it was last week
[21:51] <hads> Probably the best frost we've had here this morning
[21:51] <ibeardslee> and although hardly noticeable .. we are on the up side again .. days getting longer
[21:52] <ajmitch> yay
[21:53] <ajmitch> though it doesn't feel like we've had much of winter yet
[21:53] <ibeardslee> true .. it seems winter really starts once the days get longer
[21:53] <ajmitch> a few frosts down here & that's about it
[21:53] <ibeardslee> but I also did see something about a mild winter this year
[21:53] <hads> Hmm, my fonts in Chromium are all weird this morning.
[21:54] <ibeardslee> http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5216653/Sorry-skiers-winter-outlook-mild
[21:54] <ajmitch> not just sorry to skiers, but quite a few businesses in queenstown & other skiiing centres
[21:54] <hads> The ones who were already struggling.
[21:55] <hads> Actual
[21:55] <hads> -1.5°C
[21:55] <hads> Feels like -4°c
[21:55] <ajmitch> right, since quite a few tourists fly into christchurch & go from there
[21:55] <ibeardslee> those that 'survive' over the summer break and then get hammered by bad weather
[22:58] <mwhudson> morning
[22:58] <mwhudson> it was pretty cold at the hut i was at in the tararuas on sunday morning :)
[23:01] <ibeardslee> which hut?
[23:09] <mwhudson> mitre flats
[23:10] <Atamira> morning
[23:11] <ibeardslee> oh yes, that's a nice one for sitting in a valley that collects the cold
[23:12] <mwhudson> was very pretty though, and it cleared before we went to bed so we could see the stars
[23:13] <ibeardslee> nice .. of course seeing the stars means that the morning will be a bit frostier
[23:27] <hads> Damn. Left a console.log statement in some JS last night. Breaking things for lots% of people that don't use Chrome/Safari or have Firebug installed.
[23:29] <snail> mōrena koutou
[23:32] <chilts> hads: I've seen people set console.log to function() {} (if it doesn't already exist), so that it'll never kill IE
[23:32] <chilts> (even though you'd probably remove those console.log() statements anyway)
[23:33] <chilts> it one line: if (typeof console == "undefined") var console = { log: function() {} }; // or something similar
[23:33] <hads> Thanks, I do recall seeing that somewhere also. Probably a good safegaurd against late Sunday evening code pushes.
[23:34] <chilts> yeah, I don't use it yet, but as the first line of the first of your own scripts, it seems like a half-decent idea
[23:34] <chilts> it's kinda like a protection thing, even though you know you're meant to remove all references to it :)


[23:34] <jtaylor> mh are packages in universe auto accepted?
[23:35] <jtaylor> or just very fast release team?
[23:44] <ScottK> jtaylor: Auto acceted if they are unseeded.


[01:55] <Seeker`> is there a specific key that will quit mythfrontend?
[02:07] <darthanubis> Seeker`, you can program one
[02:08] <darthanubis> its an excercise I have avoided though
[02:09] <darthanubis> you can program your remotes power button to do the trick, by using mythtv-setup
[02:11] <Seeker`> ah, cool
[02:21] <Seeker`> managed to steal someone script to start a new instace if one isn't already running, or to kill any existing ones
[02:21] <superm1> hit esc and pick exit?
[02:22] <a1fa> wwww
[02:22] <a1fa> whats uppppppp
[02:23] <ahave> is there a reason why the program guide will slow down between channels? I am using schedules direct and have already downloaded 2weeks of showings..
[02:24] <a1fa> how often do you guys upgrade 8.04?
[02:25] <a1fa> it seems like new shit comes up every day
[02:25] <superm1> well bugs keep getting fixed :)
[02:25] <a1fa> :P
[02:25] <a1fa> tru
[02:25] <a1fa> so far, i like it
[02:40] <abarbaccia> anyone use a HVR 1300/1600/1800?
[03:21] <bob-linux> has anyone had the new beta act as if it is its first boot every time it starts up
[03:21] <bob-linux> ?
[03:26] <superm1> bob-linux, if you installed VNC during installer
[03:26] <superm1> there was a big bug with it
[03:26] <superm1> reinstall without VNC and activate it after you do the updates
[03:26] <bob-linux> o ok
[03:26] <bob-linux> gotcha
[03:26] <bob-linux> thanks
[03:27] <superm1> fyi its fixed in the RC which is coming out in a day or two
[03:27] <superm1> so if you can hold off until the weekend you can install from that
[03:27] <superm1> and avoid doing many many updates
[03:27] <bob-linux> alrighty
[03:28] <bob-linux> ill get the rc in a few days then
[03:37] <a1fa> lol
[03:37] <a1fa> :P
[09:15] <^Willie^> hi there
[09:15] <^Willie^> what release of your cd`s do work ?
[09:15] <^Willie^> i get an unreadable kernel dump right afther hitting enter to boot the cd or install and i did expect an livecd not install
[09:17] <directhex|bsp> this is on your k6?
[09:18] <^Willie^> no p4 2.4Ghz 533fsb system
[09:19] <^Willie^> i did expect it whas i386 so must not be an problem at k6
[09:19] <^Willie^> mythbuntu-7.10-i386.iso  <-
[09:20] <directhex|bsp> ought to work
[09:20] <^Willie^> jup i did not expect something else..
[09:20] <^Willie^> will try mythknoppix then .. thnx for whasting time
[09:23] <directhex|bsp> knoppmyth, and without a bug report bugs are rather hard to fix. also, there's 8.04 beta cds available
[09:24] <directhex|bsp> generally speaking, a nasty kernel dump on boot signifies some problem with your hardware, but without some actual detail, that's merely conjecture
[09:25] <^Willie^> yes and your not helping me why this fuck cd is not booting and start arguing about the damn k6 notice from yesterday
[09:25] <^Willie^> don`t understand me wrong i did expect mythbuntu like kbuntu
[09:25] <^Willie^> there is no hardware failure  !!
[09:25] <^Willie^> posible your kernels can`t handle systems with multiple video cards ..
[09:25] <directhex|bsp> THEN GIVE SOME BLOODY DETAIL
[09:26] <directhex|bsp> you think "it no worky :'(" is sufficient to diagnose an issue?
[09:26] <^Willie^> how if i can`t ssh the box and the mem drump is only mem addresses without any word detail on a 24x24 console
[09:26] <^Willie^> did replace the sis onboard for an ati 9200 already did not fic anything
[09:26] <directhex|bsp> at what stage? how far does it go? which cd? did you check the md5sum before burning it?
[09:26] <^Willie^> afther hitting enter in the boot loader
[09:26] <directhex|bsp> before or after installation?
[09:27] <^Willie^> how must i know .. i told you RIGHT afther the BOOTLOADER
[09:27] <^Willie^> what more detail do you wana know that i do not get on my screen ?
[09:28] <^Willie^> gentoo debian and suse live cd`s never crash at that box nor the others nor the damn k6 crap
[09:28] <^Willie^> i did know ubuntu sucks but this is rediculous
[09:28] <directhex|bsp> are you getting a kernel dump booting from the cd itself, or from the hard disk?
[09:28] <^Willie^> looks like it isnt an live cd but iunstall cd
[09:28] <^Willie^> fucking cd
[09:29] <directhex|bsp> right. isolinux then.
[09:29] <^Willie^> no hd in the system and won`t be .. live cd must be able to run without disk
[09:29] <directhex|bsp> how quickly does the kernel dump appear? instantly?
[09:30] <^Willie^> within 5 sec
[09:30] <^Willie^> asus p4sp-mx board with p4 2.4Ghz intel cpu ..
[09:30] <^Willie^> and yes it is an sis chipset supported by the mosth distro`s don`t go tell me that is the problem
[09:31] <directhex|bsp> you verified that your cd downloaded & burnt correctly, by verifying the md5sum?
[09:31] <^Willie^> yes k3b do that
[09:32] <directhex|bsp> how much RAM does the machine have?
[09:33] <^Willie^> 512mb ddr ram
[09:33] <^Willie^> new enuf ?
[09:34] <directhex|bsp> enough for the cd to work, in theory, yes.
[09:34] <directhex|bsp> i'm not finding any reports of problems with the ubuntu kernels and that motherboard or chipset. have you tried the 8.04 beta cd?
[09:36] <^Willie^> nope whas not the first release that come on my screen as current and must work..
[09:37] <directhex|bsp> have you booted any other *buntu 7.10 discs on that pc, such as kubuntu or ubuntu?
[09:39] <^Willie^> i hate debian thats why i use gentoo ..
[09:40] <^Willie^> why would i ever use ubuntu then if i compile my own distro`s ?
[09:40] <directhex|bsp> so why are you here?
[09:42] <^Willie^> nice freevo live cd show me an nice kernel dump afther loading smp on an p4 that must not be an problem ..
[09:42] <^Willie^> i did expect that cd to work like kbuntu did last year
[09:44] <directhex|bsp> was that kubuntu 7.10?
[09:45] <^Willie^> how must i know it is 12 months ago
[09:45] <^Willie^> the part that i as user whas able to manage the root password whas not ok to me
[09:47] <^Willie^> posible your mythbuntu cd is compiled with the wrong compiler useflags
[09:47] <^Willie^> -mtune / -march
[09:48] <^Willie^> # -mcpu=<cpu-type> means optimize code for the particular type of CPU without
[09:48] <^Willie^> # breaking compatibility with other CPUs.
[09:48] <^Willie^> -march will break
[09:48] <directhex|bsp> 1) it's not my cd, 2) there should be nothing missing for use on a pentium 4 (but there would be on a k6, hence mentioning it) 3) mythbuntu uses the same kernel as every *buntu, hence REPEATEDLY checking whether another cd with the same kernel works
[09:49] <^Willie^> only diff i notice the all crash afther smp stuff so the are compiled with -march and not -mtune so don`t call it i386 then
[09:49] <^Willie^> gentoo live cd works fine even the desktop area
[09:51] <directhex|bsp> i386 is used as the name for historic reasons. you're right that it will not work on a 386 cpu.
[09:52] <^Willie^> not even on i586 i guess
[09:52] <^Willie^> do the ppl who make those cd`s know what the are doing anyway ?
[09:52] <directhex|bsp> 586 with CMOV (which is most chips)
[09:53] <directhex|bsp> they know what they're doing more than you. you seem to understand little about the meaning of the compiler flags you wave about, nor how the cds are made
[09:53] <^Willie^> directhex|bsp: start reading the gentoo setup manual please and stfu
[09:53] <^Willie^> stage1 btw
[09:53] <directhex|bsp> you have absolutely no desire to fix your problems or find a solution, as evidenced by your refusal to try and find a solution - you just want to bitch
[09:53] <^Willie^> and own livecd builds that work
[11:17] <sebrock> will we se mythbuntu at the same time Hardy is released?
[12:51] <manos21> Hi. I'm trying to setup mythtv but I'm getting the message "cannot login to database"
[17:55] <Keithamus> Hey guys, I'm trying to install a Nova T 500 PCI, on a fresh 8.04 mythbuntu installation, but Im a bit of a noob at all of this, wondering if anyone can help.
[18:14] <nubar> Hi I have been trying to get Linux MCE running for too long with no avail and was interested in mythbuntu as a replacement but I have a few questions
[18:15] <nubar> First I was wondering with the diskless frontend, If I would be able to use my PVR tuner cards that are in my HTPC?
[18:16] <nubar> I mean can the diskless image be built so that I can record with the hardware in my HTPC?
[18:16] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[18:17] <tgm4883_laptop> nubar, I would think yes, but let me check with the dev on that
[18:18] <nubar> Also is there any definative documentation for setting up the diskless images on mythbuntu?  I realize that 8.04 is still in Beta...
[18:19] <tgm4883_laptop> IIRC, it's pretty straight forward.  There is a thread about it on the forum too.  It's in the testing sticky
[18:22] <nubar> I will check out the thread in my spare time.  In the meantime I am going to try MCE one more time before 8.04's official release.  I will leave this window open throughout the day is anyone comes up with an answer to hardware support with the diskless images.  Thanks
[18:23] <nubar> Oh yeah, I have one more question....
[18:24] <nubar> I was wondering if anyone has had any luck using an ipod touch as a remote for mythbuntu?
[18:24] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, ^^
[18:42] <rhpot1991_laptop> nubar: you can try doing it with mythweb, it has a remote page in there
[18:43] <rhpot1991_laptop> we have a blueprint open to make a fancy app to use an iPhon/iPod touch as a remote, so maybe that will come along in the future
[18:49] <nubar> Thanks again for the help.  I am excited to see how mythbuntu progresses since it seems to be closer aligned to ubuntu--->greater end user support than MCE...
[19:09] <Stemming78> can someone help me with configuring my wireless device?  Have a DIR-655 that is unstable (WPA2) and need to disable security.
[19:09] <cosmic_> hi @ all
[19:10] <Stemming78> Not sure how to configure /etc/network/interfaces
[19:10] <cosmic_> what do you wanna now about it ?
[19:11] <Stemming78> Trying to configure /etc/network/interfaces without security...
[19:11] <cosmic_> what do you mean with : without security ? , sorry my english isent that good
[19:12] <Stemming78> yah! no security....   Have a router that is showing errors (wireless) and think WPA or WPA2 may be the problem
[19:13] <Stemming78> Disable WEP, WPA, and WPA2
[19:13] <Stemming78> Hence, and open connection without any encryption
[19:13] <cosmic_> could you paste me your /etc/network/interfaces ?
[19:14] <sebrock> is mythbuntu 8.04 expected to be released at the same time Ubuntu 8.04?
[19:18] <Stemming78> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7313/
[19:19] <cosmic_> do you have dhcp ?
[19:23] <Stemming78> Router is handing out DHCP
[19:25] <cosmic_> mom plz
[19:25] <Stemming78> cosmic_: back in 10 minutes
[19:27] <cosmic_> Stemming78: Did you try something like this ? : http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7315/
[19:29] <rwn_> hallo laga
[19:29] <rwn_> haste kurz zeit
[19:33] <rwn_> has anyone the problem with HAL Error, Kernel 14,15,16, no  Network, Backend and so on, sorry for my bad English
[19:35] <laga> rwn_: am besten machst du ein update auf die aktuellsten versionen der pakete
[19:35] <rwn_> mythbuntu 8.04 run´s only with kernel 12
[19:35] <laga> rwn_: update everything to the latest version
[19:35] <rwn_> lol
[19:35] <rwn_> hab ich doch
[19:35] <rwn_> alles auf dem neuseten stand
[19:35] <laga> _alles_?
[19:35] <rwn_> denke doch
[19:36] <rwn_> heute kamm nicht s mehr
[19:36] <laga> inklusive linux-ubuntu-modules und linux-restricted-modules?
[19:36] <rwn_> kam
[19:36] <rwn_> was soll ich machen
[19:36] <rwn_> er bietet mir nichts mehr an
[19:37] <rwn_> mit dem 12er läuft es auch fast  perfekt
[19:39] <laga> rwn_: das schon gesehen? https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/215713
[19:41] <rwn_> jetzt schon
[19:42] <rwn_> aber ich habe deisen chip nicht
[19:42] <rwn_> diesen
[19:42] <rwn_> nova s-plus
[19:42] <rwn_> also cx88
[19:43] <laga> könnte ja trotzdem was damit zu tun haben
[19:43] <rwn_> könnte, das ich davon nicht viel verstehe, snd_pcm
[19:43] <rwn_> das mault er eventuell an
[19:44] <rwn_> blacklistet hilft auch nicht
[19:44] <rwn_> oder ich weiss nicht wie?
[19:44] <laga> naja, ich habe keine logs von dir gesehen, also kann ich das nicht beurteilen. am besten meldest du einen bug
[19:44] <rwn_> toll melde einen bug mit der Sprache di du nicht kannst
[19:45] <rwn_> für mich liegt es eindeutig am kernel
[19:45] <rwn_> zumal es mit dem 16er rt auch geht, bis auf das Video
[19:46] <laga> dein english wird wohl reichen für einen einfachen bug report?
[19:48] <rwn_> vielleicht, nur das Halproblem ist ja bekannt
[19:48] <laga> ja, aber du behauptest ja es läge an etwas anderem..
[19:48] <rwn_> genauso wie das problem noch mit dem theme withglass besteht
[19:49] <laga> whithglass?
[19:49] <rwn_> ich behaupte gar nichts, kann ich ja auch nicht, sind nur feststellungen
[19:49] <rwn_> da ich anfanger bion
[19:49] <rwn_> bin
[19:49] <laga> und es war letzten endes kein problem mit HAL, sondern im kernel
[19:50] <rwn_> naja der 12er läuft und der 16 rt auch ohne hal problem
[19:50] <laga> o_O
[19:52] <cosmic_> is there anyone who uses zsnens on mythbuntu 64 bit ?
[19:52] <cosmic_> zsnes
[20:37] <cosmic_> cu @ all
[21:44] <laga> nubar: you asked about diskless? yeah, it's possible to run a backend on a diskless client, although it's completely untested. make sure your recordings directory ison an NFS share or on a hard disk, though
[22:16] <bobcallaway> hello
[22:20] <Seeker`> hi
[22:22] <bobcallaway> I have a problem with my hauppauge card can anyone help me?
[22:28] <Seeker`> bobcallaway: what problems?
[23:46] <thoraxe> bleh so the remote is working (i think because i disabled blaster) and i finally hook it up to the tv, update the ati driver so i can use tv out... and now as soon as i enter live tv it freezes


[13:36]  * xnox wishes there was pesimistic dad option </smirk>
[13:46] <apw> xnox, pesimistic dad is never an option, it is the only state
[13:56] <Peng> Try setting dad_transmits to 2^31-1. :P
[18:59] <LocutusOfBorg> how to make torvalds sad 651e28c5537abb39076d3949fb7618536f1d242e -> 80c094a47dd4ea63375e3f60b5e076064f16e857
[19:03] <mamarley> Is that the AppArmor breakage thing?
[19:07] <jjohansen> hrmmm, lets say yes, but it is more complicated than that.
[19:07] <LocutusOfBorg> don't know
[19:08] <LocutusOfBorg> problem is: breaking kernel and not reverting/fixing is bad
[19:08] <LocutusOfBorg> anyhow, not my problem :)
[19:09] <jjohansen> to be precise if your userspace was configured to load policy using the running kernel feature abi and your local policy was not updated for this it would cause breakage because the kernel was enforcing the policy that was not allowing access to things those tasks wanted
[21:16] <trippeh> have you been in denial jjohansen :)
[22:17] <jjohansen> trippeh: in denial? Why yes I live in a state of denial all the time, it helps makes reality conform to my pov
[22:19] <TJ-> I wish that worked for overlayfs! Is there any way (from userspace) to determine if a file-system is usable with overlayfs, as (lowerdir|upperdir|workdir) ?


[02:41] <netbook_> In my "Ubuntu One" folder, it shows the "Connect
[02:42] <netbook_> " button but when i click it nothing happens
[02:42] <netbook_> the little system try icon says my files are up to date
[02:42] <netbook_> Sorry I should clarify, the button flashes, then returns to "Connect"
[02:45] <jamesh> netbook_: hi.  UbuntuOne keeps some log files around that might help in diagnosing the problem
[02:46] <netbook_> in my home folder?
[02:46] <jamesh> yes.  under ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log
[02:47] <jamesh> the first one I'd check is oauth-login.log to see if there are any authentication errors
[02:48] <jamesh> if that's okay, syncdaemon.log might have something interesting to say
[02:48] <netbook_> ok
[02:48] <netbook_> oauth was last modified 30 nov
[02:50] <netbook_> 2009-12-03 20:49:45,388 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.Main - NOTE - ---- MARK (state: STANDOFF_WAITING_WITH_NETWORK_WITH_BOTHQ; queues: metadata: 7; content: 2; hash: 0, fsm-cache: hit=430 miss=8) ----
[02:50] <netbook_> geting a lot of that
[02:50] <netbook_> in log file
[02:51] <netbook_> i think it did upload... taking a bit to show up on ubuntu one webpage
[02:51] <netbook_> err i did another test
[02:51] <netbook_> my guess is that it is a gnome/nautilus bug
[02:53] <jamesh> seems a bit weird that the button returns to the "Connect" state though.
[02:55] <netbook_> is there a webpage for mobile devices? My moto droid is having problems with it
[02:55] <jamesh> I don't think we have a mobile-specific page
[02:55] <netbook_> problems expanding the folders
[02:56] <netbook_> yea i don't think it plays nicely with yui
[02:57] <netbook_> heh finally got it
[02:59] <netbook_> doh can't download anything though
[03:04] <jamesh> netbook_: what happens when you try to download things?
[03:05] <netbook_> on my motorola droid it never starts
[03:05] <netbook_> it is fine on pc
[05:32] <seg|ars> jcastro__: ping
[14:10] <dobey> morning
[14:11] <dobey> seg|ars: hola (in probably another 3 hours or so)
[14:28] <rodrigo_> thomasvs: cool, you have erlang built?
[14:33] <dobey> blah. there is a fly in one of my walls or something and it keeps buzzing
[14:40] <rodrigo_> dobey: maybe they forgot someone inside the wall when building the house? :D
[14:43] <aquarius> for the love of god, Montresor!
[14:43] <rodrigo_> :D
[14:44] <dobey> i think they'd be dead by now if someone was in the wall
[14:45] <dobey> also, the walls are mostly concrete blocks, which don't fit people very well
[14:46] <rodrigo_> then it must be a fly then :)
[14:50] <verterok> dobey: ping
[14:50] <dobey> hi
[14:50] <verterok> dobey: hi, quick question about no-access-token bug in SD
[14:51] <verterok> dobey: actually, I'll tell you the plan and hear comments about it :)
[14:51] <dobey> ok
[14:51] <verterok> dobey: the idea is to remove directly use oauthdesktop in SD, and remove all gnomekeyring/oauth stuff from it
[14:52] <verterok> dobey: I'm a bit worried about side effects of this change, e.g: both syncdaemon and the applet trying to get the token (and doing the oauth dance) from oauthdesktop
[14:52] <dobey> hmm?
[14:53] <dobey> was that first "remove" a thinko?
[14:55] <dobey> verterok: there is no way to get the token itself from oauthdeskop
[14:56] <verterok> dobey: ups, "remove all oauth sutff adn directly.."
[14:56] <verterok> dobey: :(
[14:56] <dobey> so we can't do that in karmic
[14:57] <verterok> dobey: so I still need to use gnomekeyring
[14:57] <dobey> for stable-1-0 yes
[14:57] <verterok> dobey: this is for the no-access-token fix, we can talk about the best way to use oauthdesktop to get the token  ;)
[14:58] <verterok> dobey: what about possible race conditions with the applet? (in the oauth dance)
[14:58] <dobey> there isn't one
[14:58] <dobey> the oauthdesktop bits only allow one token request to process at a time
[14:59] <dobey> and you can only run one applet
[14:59] <verterok> dobey: ok, but the syncdaemon is going to request the login to oauthdesktop, might this cause any problems with the applet? as it will start the applet
[15:00] <dobey> which is why i suggested when talking with Chipaca yesterday, that instead of raising NoAccessToken, we just call the dbus method login(), and listen for NewCredentials signal, doing the "get a token and authorize ourselves" bit again
[15:00] <dobey> no
[15:00] <dobey> it will only start a new applet if it's not already running
[15:00] <verterok> dobey: e.g: the applet isn't started, there is no token. the user clicks the connect button in nautilu"
[15:00] <dobey> if it's already running, the existing dbus object will get called
[15:01] <verterok> syncdaemon calls login and the applet calls login
[15:01] <dobey> verterok: right. it will just start the applet and do the auth process then
[15:01] <verterok> dobey: ok
[15:01] <jblount> Desktop+ MEETING BEGINS
[15:01] <jblount> Hi everyone!  aquarius CardinalXiminez_ Chipaca dobey jblount rodrigo_ teknico urbanape could you please respond with "me" ? We'll be documenting our status in the form of DONE / TODO / BLOCKED in that order.
[15:01] <teknico> me
[15:01] <verterok> dobey: so, I have a +1 from you? :)
[15:01] <aquarius> me
[15:01] <dobey> verterok: no, like i said, it only allows one login request to process, and will have subsequent requests fail until the processing request is done
[15:01] <dobey> me
[15:01] <Chipaca> me
[15:01] <rodrigo_> me
[15:01] <verterok> dobey: ok, I'll do it then
[15:01] <verterok> dobey: thanks
[15:01] <CardinalFang> me!
[15:02] <jblount> me
[15:02] <dobey> verterok: yes. request a review from me when you propose :)
[15:02] <verterok> ok :)
[15:04] <teknico> DONE: planned work with Chipaca and vds, started fixing IM address handling in the contacts web UI (#475224), discussed timestamps for Funambol with vds, Chipaca, thisfred and aquarius
[15:04] <teknico> TODO: finish fixing IM address handling in the contacts web UI (#475224), expose Funambol Server API via REST/HTTP, disable free phone sync after 30 days (#403941)
[15:04] <teknico> BLOCK: none
[15:04] <teknico> next: aquarius
[15:04] <vds1> me
[15:04] <aquarius> ⚀ DONE: music store planning; list of music store tasks for joshuahoover; talk to thisfred and vds about sequence numbers etc
[15:04] <aquarius> ⚁ TODO: make tomboy first-sync experience nicer; continue work on desktopcouch developer docs; write up things learned at UDS/sprint; work with rodrigo on Music Store, much more music store architecture planning; talk to #couchdb about sequence numbers
[15:04] <aquarius> ⚂ BLOCKED:
[15:04] <aquarius> dobey: go
[15:04] <dobey> ☺ DONE: Triage, Worked on #437165 (ponderance, discussion, etc...)
[15:04] <dobey> ☹ TODO: Fix #437165, Review/Fix #479375, Finish Backporting, Triage, Prepare releases/SRUs
[15:04] <dobey> ☹ BLCK: None.
[15:04] <dobey> Chipaca: rock out with the hawk out
[15:05] <Chipaca> DONE: talked with people, wrote emails. TODO: wrap up and go home. Also, tell Desktop+ about holiday, and about planning. BLOCKED: no. ROCK: rodrigo_
[15:05] <rodrigo_> • DONE: Contacts picker now shows contacts from all your addressbooks
[15:05] <rodrigo_> • TODO: Conflict resolver tool in pair tool. Look at becoming a MOTU (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers). Make sandy's snowy test suite work with our server (http://git.gnome.org/cgit/snowy/tree/api/tests.py). Discuss with jdo and aquarius about oauth token per app, not per machine?
[15:05] <rodrigo_> • BLOCKED: no
[15:05] <rodrigo_> next: CardinalFang
[15:05] <CardinalFang> DONE: Attachments nearly done.  Still testing.
[15:05] <CardinalFang> TODO: Half a day of work today.  Finish attachments and contact general views.
[15:05] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: None.
[15:05] <CardinalFang> That man loves him some Seusical.  jblount!
[15:06] <jblount> DONE: Got branch for invoice fixes together
[15:06] <jblount> TODO: Review day, work on invoice stuff
[15:06] <jblount> BLOCKED: Nope
[15:06] <jblount> vds1: GO!
[15:06] <vds1> DONE: discussed sms sending and timestamps, code review, explored timestamps in FX
[15:06] <vds1> TODO: code review
[15:06] <vds1> BLOCKED: nope
[15:07] <vds> it's all I guess
[15:08] <dobey> EOM chumps
[15:16] <dobey> o/~ got my finger on the trigger, and my eye on the quad o/~
[15:17] <urbanape> woops
[15:17] <urbanape> Our 16-month old son loves Ms K. In her classroom he gets to do artwork (drawing, painting, collage) and she posts his art along with pictures of him creating it.
[15:17] <urbanape> He practices sign language, feeds himself (even soup) and explores outdoors. He loves circle time and will get the other kids to help try to drag the caterpillar pillow they like to sit on over to hear her read a story.
[15:17] <urbanape> We know a lot about his day because Ms K takes the time to write a daily note about what he enjoyed, and the concepts they are working on. She solicits our input as well, to include our family traditions in class celebrations.
[15:17] <urbanape> But what impressed me most was seeing Ms K in a crisis. I got the call that our child had a small injury but would need facial stitches. When I arrived, our boy was laying down with two caregivers attending to him. Ms K handled the situation extremely professionally. The first aid was top notch. I expected him to be crying and inconsolable and found him laughing and happy. I think a great test of character is how you react in an emergency, and Ms K
[15:17] <urbanape> She has genuine affection for the children in her care. She challenges them to grow and develop new skills. And she makes their safety her top priority. She deserves this award.
[15:17] <urbanape> damn, double woops
[15:17] <urbanape> DONE: Working on the lazr-js trunk branch - lost some context, getting it back.
[15:17] <urbanape> TODO: Get it up for review, get some Bindwood lovin' in.
[15:17] <urbanape> BLOCK: Non
[15:18] <urbanape> teacher awards crash head-first into dayly standups.
[15:18] <dobey> heh
[15:18] <urbanape> also, can't type.
[15:18] <dobey> that's one heck of a status update :)
[15:18] <urbanape> ha
[15:18] <urbanape> well, he's been home all week. Figured he needed to be included.
[15:18] <dobey> poor kiddo
[15:19] <urbanape> he went in today. Feeling much better.
[15:19] <urbanape> But we wasted lots of time not realizing he had an ear infection on Monday.
[15:20] <dobey> hrmm, lala has mc hawking album cheaper than amazon
[16:10] <dobey> Chipaca: ping
[16:10] <Chipaca> buh-wee
[16:11] <Chipaca> dobey: ricochets aside, what's up?
[16:12] <dobey> Chipaca: #437165
[16:12] <dobey> Chipaca: can we change that to !critical or what? i'm not sure what to do with it, other than just try to get the SRU backports done and submitted for karmic
[16:12] <Chipaca> bug 4371665
[16:13] <Chipaca> bug 437165
[16:13] <Chipaca> dobey: "fix committed" works for me
[16:13] <Chipaca> dobey: or even released, if it's not in ubuntu itself
[16:13]  * Chipaca looks at the bug
[16:14] <dobey> well i think the majority of affected users are karmic 1.0.2 users
[16:14] <dobey> but i think it's also the same issue that facundo already fixed
[16:14] <dobey> (i am happy to mark as a dup of that bug instead)
[16:15] <dobey> and have a new bug for "error messages sometimes suck (for 50x etc... errors)"
[16:15] <Chipaca> a lot of the oauth problems are related to server outages, yes. This one in particular isn't, I don't think
[16:15]  * Chipaca looks
[16:16] <dobey> rmcbride's comment is
[16:16] <dobey> but i think all the dupes, and the general issue in that bug, are of the "other error gets mistaken for OAUTH_ERROR"
[16:18] <Chipaca> dobey: this bug, yes
[16:18] <Chipaca> dobey: the other bugs, the nautilus and missing token issue
[16:18] <Chipaca> dobey: set this to fix released in client, in progress in ubuntu
[16:18] <Chipaca> dobey: invalid in server, I guess
[16:19] <Chipaca> dobey: does that sound reasonable?
[16:19] <dobey> i don't like setting things to "fix released" that aren't available in a tarball yet
[16:19] <dobey> and by "nautilus bug" i presume you mean the hitting connect in nautilus without the applet ever having run?
[16:20] <Chipaca> dobey: yes, "nautilus and missing token" is that too
[16:20] <Chipaca> dobey: but isn't taht fix already in the ppa?
[16:21] <dobey> oh i misread that as 2 separate things
[16:22] <dobey> Chipaca: it's built in the PPA yes, but PPA isn't an official release mechanism (it was before we were in the distro, but we should generally stop directing people there as the primary place to get a client, or at least, only direct them to the new stable PPA instead)
[16:23] <Chipaca> dobey: ok. I trust your judgment. If you're not going to close it but drop it from critical, would pointing to the ppa from the bug make sense?
[16:24] <Chipaca> ok, I'm off
[16:24] <Chipaca> have a great weekend, and see y'all on Wednesday
[16:28] <dobey> later ChipAway
[16:30] <verterok> dobey: hi
[16:30] <verterok> dobey: I'm with the oauthdesktop <-> syncdaemon thingy
[16:30] <verterok> the applet tries to connect the client when a Newcredentials signal is received, no matter if the syncdaemon itself requested the login...so we enter in a endless loop :(
[16:31] <dobey> hrmm?
[16:31] <dobey> how is that an endless loop?
[16:31] <dobey> just set syncdaemon back to READY_WITH_NETWORK before calling the login() method
[16:32] <dobey> then don't bother with NewCredentials in syncdaemon :)
[16:32] <dobey> and the applet will just tell it to connect, and all should be good
[16:32] <verterok> dobey: let me explain a bit the context: - no token in the keyring - applet not running - syncdaemon running
[16:32] <verterok> dobey: a connect request is sent to syncdaemon, so it tries to get the token, there is no token in the keyring, so it request login() to authdesktop
[16:33] <verterok> dobey: now, the applet is started. oauth do it's thing and a NewCredetials is fired
[16:33] <dobey> verterok: the connect request doesn't get sent until NewCredentials, which doesn't get sent until there is a successful token pulled, and stored in the keyring
[16:33] <dobey> oh, connect from !applet
[16:33] <dobey> right
[16:34] <verterok> dobey: let me cleanup my env and try again, I might have something broken here
[16:34] <dobey> ok
[16:36] <thisfred> seg|ars: hi, gave some feedback on the desktopcouch article on Ars irc
[16:37] <verterok> dobey: looks like it's working...I get two NewCredentials signals
[16:38] <dobey> verterok: great!
[16:39] <verterok> dobey: yes, but the repeated NewCredentials is quite annoying :/
[16:39] <dobey> verterok: hrmm, actually, syncdaemon itself shouldn't auto-connect when it gets NewCredentials
[16:39] <verterok> dobey: it doesn't
[16:39] <dobey> verterok: because there is config in the applet about whether to auto-connect or not
[16:39] <statik> CardinalFang: last night I packaged up couchdb 0.10.1. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/couchdb/+bug/492123 has the debdiff with any changes outside of debian/ filtered out (because there is a new .orig.tar.gz with the new release). interested in reviewing it? I dropped three patches and made some minor tweaks like bumping the standards-version
[16:39] <dobey> what do you mean you're getting 2 signals?
[16:39] <verterok> dobey: syncdaemon only calls login() when connect is requested and there is no token
[16:40] <verterok> dobey: but the applet is started and it check the token and fires another NewCredentials
[16:41] <dobey> i don't understand what you mean about it firing "another" NewCredentials
[16:41] <dobey> it should only get fired the one time
[16:41] <verterok> dobey: one NewCredentials is fired by the syncdaemon call to login
[16:41] <verterok> dobey: the sencond is fired by the maybe_login call in the applet
[16:41]  * verterok thinks
[16:42] <CardinalFang> statik, Sure.
[16:42] <dobey> shouldn't... the maybe_login() should get ignored
[16:42] <dobey> or maybe the login() is getting ignored
[16:42] <dobey> not sure
[16:43] <dobey> but one of them should just get ignored
[16:43] <dobey> verterok: change ubuntuone/oauthdesktop/logger.py to set LOG_LEVEL to logging.DEBUG and try it again, so you can see the debug info
[16:43] <verterok> dobey: ok
[16:46] <dobey> i need to get a nice white suit
[16:46] <dobey> and shoes and tie
[16:48] <dobey> urbanape: what are your weekends generally like? and would you come to my garden party?
[16:48] <verterok> dobey: as expected when I turned debug I only get one NewCredentials signal :p
[16:48] <urbanape> dobey: they're generally spent wrangling a very excited and amiable boy.
[16:48] <dobey> verterok: if you turn it back off, do you get 2 again?
[16:48] <verterok> dobey: doing that ATM
[16:50] <verterok> dobey: randomly
[16:59] <CardinalFang> seg|ars, Hi.  I have a few notes about your tut.
[16:59] <CardinalFang> seg|ars, Want them in email?
[17:01] <seg|ars> sure
[17:01] <seg|ars><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:08] <rtgz> nessita, got the bug with nautilus and share reproduced, it does segfault but I don't yet know why
[17:09] <rtgz> nessita, and that is on r283
[17:22] <A-Rishi> I am having troubles with Ubuntu one syncing (ubuntu 9.10), whenever I make it connect, it disconnects in 3 seconds without my files being synced. I have added this computer to my account too.
[18:00] <urbanape> jblount: you around?
[18:00] <urbanape> sorry to hear about your car.
[18:25] <rtgz> dobey_, awesome, the invalidate extension info IS working!
[18:26] <rtgz> almost
[18:26] <dobey_> infinite loop?
[18:27] <rtgz> dobey_, no, the emblems are applied, but the new files don't get them, i'll try to make it first work completely before I shout that it IS working, sorry about that
[18:30] <rtgz> got it
[18:35] <rtgz> dobey_, are you using Vim? I feel like I spoil the indentation w/ spaces, if you do, could you give me your vimrc, please?
[18:36] <dobey_> no
[18:36] <dobey_> i use emacs
[18:37] <dobey_> and why do i have an _
[18:40] <dobey__> let's all be dobey today.
[18:40] <urbanape> Weird. My iPhone turned into a Pre. That was unexepcted.
[18:48] <urbanape> I need CSS-fu.  I'll pull that down and poke it till it's shiny.
[18:57] <urbanape> what I need help with is the CSS for the actions. We're properly applying a CSS class to them (lazr-action-disabled), which has a display:none in the CSS file, but they're still showing up.
[18:58] <urbanape> I'm guessing it's the ordering. The ... cascade, if you will.
[18:58] <urbanape> plus, they all need some positioning and sizing lovin'.
[18:58] <urbanape> both the folder inline and file inline actions.
[19:01] <dobey> urbanape: you have a Pre?
[19:01] <rtgz> Strange, i put stuff in GHashTable in one routine, read it in another routine and the data is not there... hmmm
[19:01] <urbanape> not any more. Now I changed back to urbanape.
[19:01] <dobey> oh
[19:02] <dobey> and i thought you were gaining an air of suaveness
[19:02] <urbanape> heh
[19:02] <urbanape> hardly. Sheep, that is me.
[19:32] <Dr_Willis> can a windows machine access  a ubuntu one account/files?  brother cant figure it out
[19:34] <dobey> you can use the web ui, yes... on http://one.ubuntu.com
[19:46] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. brother said he went there and  it wanted him to download an iso file..  Perhaps he is just confused.
[19:47] <urbanape> rtgz_: I think you commented on the over-aggressive truncation in the files UI, right?
[19:47] <Dr_Willis> I sent him an email 'invite/share' message.. will see if that works for him.
[19:47] <rtgz_> urbanape, yup
[19:47] <urbanape> looks like with the new widths, 40 ems is about the optimal size.
[19:47] <urbanape> I've upped it in a branch I'm working on, and it looks a lot better.
[19:48] <rtgz_> urbanape, I guess I won't be able to see that until it is deployed to the servers, right? :)
[19:52] <rtgz_> Lie to Me: S02E09: Loker's desktop shows KDE-based mail reader and he has KDE Devel/KDE Private/KDE Core among his "Favorite Folders". It looks like movie makers use opensource mock-ups now :)
[19:52] <dobey> not a desktop
[19:53] <dobey> ;)
[19:54] <urbanape> rtgz_: yeah, but it should move along pretty quickly.
[20:36] <jblount> urbanape: Can you explain to me what you see that is supposed to be hidden in your inline branch?
[20:46] <dobey> so i just realized i still have a copy of Visual C++ 1.52
[20:47] <dobey> i wonder if it runs well under wine
[21:02] <dobey> nessita, facundobatista: can you answer the questions i posed on your ubuntuone-client branches up for review? thanks :)
[21:05] <nessita> dobey: sure!
[21:07] <facundobatista> dobey, answered, thanks for pinging us!
[21:07] <nessita> dobey: do you know if version 220 of client is on stable release?
[21:07] <nessita> dobey: yesterday, I couldn't find that info
[21:08] <dobey> yes it is
[21:08] <nessita> oh
[21:09] <nessita> dobey: then yes, we need a SRU. And tested code, always...
[21:10] <dobey> nessita: anything before r256 is on stable-1-0 (you can otherwise look at the stable-1-0 branch to check if certain code is there or not)
[21:10] <nessita> dobey: thank you, wasn't aware of that
[21:16] <nessita> ChipAway: ping
[21:16] <nessita> dobey: I'm gonna need ChipAway's green light on the branch with no tests :-/
[21:17] <dobey> my branch?
[21:34] <dobey> facundobatista: you can set a commit message now :)
[21:36] <facundobatista> dobey, there, thanks! ready for tarmac :D
[21:37]  * dobey runs tarmac
[21:37]  * rtgz_ *it is such a pleasure to debug something for the last 4 hours and find that he used the wrong variable*
[21:37] <dobey> heh
[21:38] <rtgz_> dobey, yes, emblems work now
[21:38] <rtgz_> dobey, w/o utime()
[21:39] <dobey> ok
[21:39] <rtgz_> i really need to find out how to create my own branch... CVS and SVN background does not really help :(
[21:39] <dobey> bzr branch lp:ubuntuone-client new-branch
[21:39] <dobey> cd new-branch; make changes; bzr push
[21:41] <rtgz_> wow
[21:42] <rtgz_> dobey, is "new-branch" what people will see when they will get to the source code in launchpad?
[21:42]  * rtgz_ is reading bzr docs...
[21:43] <dobey> yes
[21:43] <dobey> well if you don't push it as something else anyway
[21:46] <rtgz_> next bug to debug: the crash related to clicking 'Share this on Ubuntu One'
[21:46] <rtgz_> btw, just a quick question - the shared folder is displayed as 'shared', with the emblems.
[21:47] <rtgz_> however the files inside does not look like shared, i.e. they are shared, but the user might not see that
[21:47] <rtgz_> should I file this as a separate bug?
[21:47] <urbanape> jblount: the trash can is showing up for both My Files and Shared with Me
[21:47] <urbanape> (sorry, was afk for a bit)
[21:47] <dobey> rtgz_: no
[21:47] <jblount> urbanape: No worries, thanks for the clarity
[21:48] <urbanape> if you check the DOM, you'll see that the <li> around it has the appropriate class
[21:48] <dobey> rtgz_: it's the same behavior as every other platform/sharing method
[21:49] <rtgz_> dobey, ok, 'cause I forgot the last time I've seen the shared folders, nfs/gvfs-sftp only these days...
[21:52] <dobey> well, time to go
[21:52] <dobey> later
[22:12] <valters> hello, i have problem with ubuntu one, i cant connected to server, when i connected they disconnected me, and in one.ubuntu.com i have that:
[22:12] <valters> You haven't added any computers or devices to your Ubuntu One account. To get started please visit the installation details.
[22:12] <valters> how can i add computer?
[23:25] <rtgz_> guys, is anybody here able to guide me through the process of deb creation from ubuntuone-client branch on lp? I have all the changes applied but it looks like I have no idea where debian/ directory lives. Additionally, if I make it from the apt-source-fetched diff, then it fails dh_install -pubuntuone-client-gnome
[23:25] <rtgz_> cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/share/ubuntuone-client': No such file or directory


[01:35] <darkxst> Shawn, is 3D accelleration working?
[01:50] <LinDol> hi all
[03:18] <darkxst> hi LinDol
[03:29] <LinDol> darkxst, long time no see Tim :>
[03:30] <LinDol> on these days, I have been working hard T_T
[03:30] <LinDol> How about you?
[03:30] <LinDol> I have read your email on mailling-list. :)
[03:30] <LinDol> some times..
[03:33] <darkxst> Still cleaning up bugs in xenial
[03:34] <darkxst> We are on slack as well now if you you want to join there
[03:43] <LinDol> oh.. I want to use it, but i need to learn that system :)
[03:45] <LinDol> by the way, darkxst , do you know why Our wiki page was not able to edit even if i signed-in
[03:45] <LinDol> ?
[03:46] <LinDol> I am preparing of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/HowTo/UpgradeGnomeShell page to translate
[03:56] <darkxst> slack is easy
[03:56] <darkxst> not sure about wiki, is it all pages, or just ours?
[04:03] <LinDol> I think It is all
[04:04] <LinDol> Ubuntu company was changing permisson to edit?
[04:04] <darkxst> you could ask on #canonical-sysadmin
[04:04] <LinDol> oh.. okay I will try it
[04:04] <darkxst> it was locked down due to spam prior to beta1, but its been unlocked since then I am sure
[04:06] <LinDol> oh...
[07:03] <lindol> hmmmm
[07:03] <lindol> It is still not able to edit.. T_T I will try to next weekend again :)
[12:35] <lindol> hmmmm
[16:55] <Shawn> darkxst: I made sure to check if xserver-xorg-video-intel was the same version on each system, so far openSuse , Debian, and Fedora all work smoothly and Ubuntu gnome doesn't. They all had the driver installed and all were using similar versions
[16:57] <Shawn> And I tested on two different laptops
[16:57] <Shawn> Not sure where to go from here to Barrow it down further
[16:58] <Shawn> S/Barrow/narrow
[20:41] <RoundDuckMan> Anybody here to ask?


[11:08] <MsK`> hi, what are the main differences between ubuntu studio and vanilla ubuntu ? is there a real time linux kernel by default ?
[11:11] <MsK`> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/What%20Is%20Ubuntu%20Studio < is this up to date ? another paged said that ubuntu studio was shipped with the "-generic" kernel
[11:14] <damo22> MsK`: i am not aware of a realtime kernel being shipped with any flavour of ubuntu
[11:15] <damo22> MsK`: unless you find a ppd repo, id say roll your own
[11:15] <MsK`> k
[17:21] <Tadcrazio> Hey guys, I need help with something. I use Clementine as my music player and i'm trying to export my playlist as some sort of readable document. Is that possible?


[01:42] <stratus_ss> cheese 3.10.2 debdiff
[01:43] <stratus_ss> http://pastebin.com/RPidVMZQ
[03:05] <bob__> Hello all.
[03:07] <bob__> I am new to linux and ubuntu.  I managed to setup a media server using the documentation for ubuntu  but now I can't login on my account.  only the guest account works.  the server was working fine until...I skrewed it up and if someone could help me out, i'd appreciate it?


[12:24] <radevil> hello, is there anyone in here working for cannonical???
[12:31] <lionel> radevil: fabionne and infinity are
[12:31] <lionel> but they are probabily not around
[12:35] <radevil> mm ok
[12:35] <radevil> i'm right now doing my CV to send it to canonical
[12:36] <radevil> i wanted to speak with any of them to know a little bit more about the job
[12:40] <radevil> :)
[01:24] <andel7> exit
[02:04] <radevil> s
[02:04] <radevil> ls
[02:11] <mralphabet> grep
[02:23] <shawarma> kill
[03:38] <radevil> Hello
[03:39] <shawarma> hi
[03:41] <radevil> do you work for canonical?
[03:43] <shawarma> Nope.
[03:44] <dj-fu> lol
[03:44] <dj-fu> isn't a shawarma like a kebab but with different bread?
[06:43] <josh_> anyone here that can help me with me half-life server ????
[06:43] <josh_> ..its runing good just cant get to it from LAN
[06:44] <josh_> i can get to all other servers on teh box via my ddns exept the half-life server
[02:52] <dsdg> halo i am running pureftpd-mysql on ubuntu, how can i stop users from deleteing?
[02:53] <dsdg> no one knows?
[02:54] <dsdg> ok, i see this, -K  --keepallfiles, but where do i add it..?
[03:14] <mralphabet> dsdg: it generally takes more then 1 minute for you to get an answer, have patience
[03:15] <dsdg> hehehe
[03:15] <dsdg> yea i have actually given up man, sometimes ubuntu can be quite confusing...take pureftpd for instance, wtf did they try to do there? wtf is the config files...?
[03:16] <dsdg> crazy devs...
[03:16] <mralphabet> yes, because everybody loves being ridiculed because we don't answer your question within 30 seconds
[03:16] <mralphabet> . . .
[03:16] <dsdg> its not about that really,
[03:16] <mralphabet> dsdg: there's a server dev job open with canonical, feel free to put an app in
[03:16] <dsdg> all i want is a normal config file, like gentoo, etc etc, where i can add options, instead i must sniff it out of /etc/default/pure-ftpd
[03:18] <dsdg> mralphabet, again, it;'s not about that...this seems to be the only defence a dev can come up with, "if you dont like it, do it yourself" that's getting old man,
[03:18] <fabbione> dsdg: you want it in one file.. somebody else wants it splitted in multiple files.. take your pick
[03:18] <fabbione> it's matemathically impossible to make everybody happy
[03:18] <dsdg> fabbione, no, i said i am looking for a config file...
[03:18] <fabbione> dsdg: did you check in /usr/share/doc/pure-ftpd ?
[03:18] <dsdg> for instance, where will i add a simple option like -K to my startup options of pureftpd?
[03:18] <fabbione> i don't have it installed
[03:19] <fabbione> i don't use it.. so i can't say.. but usually a start up option is in /etc/default/ or /etc/init.d/pure...
[03:21] <dsdg> fabbione, i am reading through there, thanks for that btw, trust me i just want things easier, not more difficult,
[03:21] <fabbione> dsdg: if this is your first time with Ubuntu/debian based systems, you will need to get used to some differences with other distros
[03:21] <fabbione> it's normal
[03:21] <fabbione> there are always differences
[03:22] <fabbione> but i am being rethoric here
[03:22] <fabbione> anyway what i told you before is valid for let say 99% of the packages out there
[03:22] <dsdg> fabbione, i know, i have been using gentoo for years so trust me, i can work on any distro, boss-man wants this server on ubuntu...so here i am, suppose ill just give it time,
[03:26] <fabbione>  /usr/share/doc/packagename
[03:26] <fabbione> i hate boss that forces people on distro foobar
[03:26] <dsdg> yea :(
[03:31] <dsdg> ah good news :) but not on the ftp side, apache this time,
[04:02] <dballester> hi to all
[04:04] <dballester> mralphabet, what is the best way to propose a feature or enhancement for ubuntu-server ( it's about raw devices )
[04:05] <fabbione> dballester: you want to create a spec in launchpad and propose it for discussion
[04:05] <dballester> ok
[04:05] <fabbione> the spec in LP will point to the wiki.ubuntu.com/blabla page
[04:06] <fabbione> with all details about the spec
[04:06] <fabbione> then once the spec is in a reasonable state you propose it
[04:06] <dballester> indeed
[04:06] <dballester> in fact is very simple and may be you're solving it in another way
[04:06] <ivoks> dballester: easy set up of raw devices?
[04:09] <dballester> at least the initial mknod c 162 0 to be done at installation time, if i'm not wrong seems that is not created ( at least I needed to create it by hand to be able to use raw command )
[04:09] <andel7> hi guys
[04:14] <lionel> hi andel7
[04:42] <chandu_> hi
[04:45] <chandu_> what services will be enabled by default in Ubuntu-server
[04:46] <shawarma> None, really.
[04:46] <fabbione> chandu_: none. no open ports/services. you can select at install time if yuo want DNS server and/or LAMP server
[04:46] <shawarma> Unless you choose the LAMP or DNS install.
[04:46] <shawarma> heh..
[04:47] <chandu_> shawarma, Does it contains only these two server componets ..LAMP & DNS
[04:47] <shawarma> Well, no.
[04:47] <shawarma> But those are the ones you can choose at install time.
[04:47] <shawarma> After installation, you can install anything you want.
[04:47] <chandu_> shawarma, ok
[04:47] <fabbione> as shawarma sais
[04:47] <shawarma> web servers, ftp servers.. Anything in the Ubuntu archive.
[04:48] <fabbione> LAMP and DNS are just common enough to be worth asking at install time
[04:48] <chandu_> shawarma, So ..If I am not chosing thsoe during installation ..it means only desktop will get installed
[04:48] <shawarma> No desktop.
[04:48] <chandu_> shawarma, oh .only base system
[04:48] <shawarma> That's pretty much what server installation means.
[04:48] <chandu_> shawarma, without X
[04:48] <shawarma> chandu_: All the available software is the same in the "regular" ubuntu version and the server on.e
[04:49] <chandu_> shawarma, ok
[04:49] <shawarma> chandu_: It's just a matter of what is installed by default.
[04:49] <shawarma> chandu_: Oh, there's a different kernel for server installs, though.
[04:49] <chandu_> shawarma, but in the regular ubuntu version .. U get desktop by default once U installed right
[04:49] <shawarma> chandu_: Lower HZ, another io scheduler by default, iirc.. Stuff like that.
[04:49] <chandu_> shawarma, different version of kernel ..of kernel with different configuration
[04:49] <shawarma> chandu_: Yes.
[04:50] <shawarma> chandu_: Same version, slightly different configuration.
[04:50] <chandu_> shawarma, k
[04:50] <chandu_> shawarma, the how abt in server version ..no desktop by default
[04:50] <chandu_> shawarma, As of I know servers wont come with desktop
[04:50] <shawarma> chandu_: No. Only very basic installation.
[04:50] <chandu_> shawarma, ok
[04:50] <shawarma> chandu_: We have a pretty strict "no open ports by default" policy.
[04:51] <chandu_> shawarma, So over the basic isntallation ..whatver server components we need ..we need to instal using apt-get
[04:51] <shawarma> chandu_: That's the idea, yes.
[04:51] <chandu_> shawarma,
[04:51] <chandu_> no open ports by default" policy. means what
[04:51] <shawarma> It means that when you're done installing any version of Ubuntu, there's no services listeing for network connections. It's a security decision made long ago.
[04:52] <chandu_> shawarma,means network service wont be there by default
[04:52] <shawarma> The server installation cd contains a bunch of server software, though, but it's not installed and configured by default.
[04:52] <shawarma> chandu_: Yes.
[04:53] <chandu_> shawarma, then if no network ..how do you connect to repo and install componetns thru apt-get
[04:53] <chandu_> shawarma, you need to put the server cd ..and install locally
[04:53] <shawarma> chandu_: Oh, you can connect to the network. The network cannot connect to you.
[04:53] <chandu_> shawarma, ok ok ..its one way
[04:53] <chandu_> shawarma, no packets from outside network coming inside
[04:53] <jsgotangco> its pretty neat
[04:53] <shawarma> chandu_: It's not like there's not network support. There are just no networked services installed by default.
[04:54] <shawarma> chandu_: Precisely.
[04:55] <chandu_> shawarma, is there any doc or website where can I get the more detail abt server and what packages do I need to install to setup a fully qualified server ..with security features like PAM, selinux and all
[04:57] <chandu_> shawarma, Why server components are not installed by default during installation .. is it because of the policy as you told for some security reasons
[05:01] <mralphabet> yes
[05:02] <mralphabet> there are a lot of linux distributions that have many services (services meaning telnet, ssh, ftp, dns, http, https, etc etc etc) installed by default
[05:03] <mralphabet> for those people out there in the world that simply install a system and never apply updates, that server with open services will soon become insecure because of exploits or whatever else
[05:04] <jsgotangco> the install provides you a good base to design your own setup with very little hassle
[05:04] <mralphabet> This is opposed to the debian approach where the only services that are open are the services you choose
[05:04] <jsgotangco> so there is an assumption that you actually know what you are installing/using
[05:05] <fabbione> we install less than Debian
[05:05] <fabbione> not even openssh is installed
[05:05] <mralphabet> fabbione: right, sorry
[05:10] <chandu_> so in debian some services will be enabled by default
[05:11] <mralphabet> ssh
[05:11] <chandu_> is there any debian server cd like ubuntu server cd .. I dint get anyone
[05:11] <chandu_> mralphabet,ok
[05:11] <mralphabet> chandu_: to install ssh on ubuntu server -- sudo apt-get install openssh
[05:12] <mralphabet> to install apache -- sudo apt-get install apache2
[05:12] <Nafallo> how hard is it to do sudo apt-get install openssh-server after it's installed? :-)
[05:13] <chandu_> mralphabet, yup I know this ..
[05:13] <jsgotangco> like sabdfl said in his email, even a monkey can install it lol
[05:13] <chandu_> mralphabet, I want to know ..how the user comes to know that he wants to install all these components t osetup a server
[05:14] <Nafallo> chandu_: if he DOESN'T KNOW what ssh is he would probably not need it :-)
[05:14] <mralphabet> chandu_: if you want to serve web pages in linux, what software do you need?
[05:15] <chandu_> mralphabet, its httpd or apache
[05:15] <mralphabet> chandu_: and how do *you* know this?
[05:15] <chandu_> mralphabet, you mean the same way the user will do
[05:16] <Nafallo> anyway. we have a serverguide! :-D
[05:16] <mralphabet> you asked "how does the user come to know what he wants to install"
[05:16] <chandu_> mralphabet, yup
[05:16] <Nafallo> so help.ubuntu.com ;-)
[05:16] <chandu_> mralphabet, I meant the way I know abt the package ..the other users will also have to know abt pkgs needed and then install right
[05:16] <ivoks> CoC, people, CoC :)
[05:17] <mralphabet> The answer is "you start with what you want to accomplish, then research for the best software to use for what you want to accomplish"
[05:17] <jsgotangco> chandu_: you mean "how will a user know the name of the package?"
[05:17] <chandu_> mralphabet, ok fine ...I got it
[05:17] <chandu_> jsgotangco, No I got the answer from mralphabet
[05:17] <jsgotangco> cool
[05:17] <chandu_> Thank you Guys
[05:17] <Nafallo> chandu_: I can really recommend help.ubuntu.com for users :-)
[05:17] <ivoks> i agree
[05:17] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:18] <chandu_> Nafallo, ok ..let me go through that
[05:18] <Nafallo> even for me
[05:18] <Nafallo> and I'm not exactly "user" anymore :-)
[05:18] <chandu_> But I have a question ..I have seen Redhat Enterprise and Advanced server
[05:18] <jsgotangco> chandu_: the server CD provides you a good base to customize on how you want your server to function, hence there are no default services enabled
[05:18] <chandu_> where you get all services get isntalled by default
[05:18] <mralphabet> chandu_: I don't mean to be difficult, sorry if I come across that way
[05:19] <chandu_> jsgotangco, ok ..you mean the Ubuntu policy tells that .. User comes to know what is ther e in his server only when he himself installs the server components over the base sysettm
[05:19] <ivoks> chandu_: you don't
[05:19] <jsgotangco> chandu_: because RHEL caters to a different market and uses this approach while ubuntu server assumes a level of proficiency with regards to the services
[05:20] <chandu_> jsgotangco, ok .. I got it ..
[05:20] <ivoks> chandu_: as a RHCE, I guarantee you that RHAS and RHES don't come with all services preinstalled
[05:20] <jsgotangco> yeah you got nice graphical tools though if you opt to
[05:20] <chandu_> jsgotangco, ok fine
[05:20] <chandu_> Thank you Guys ..
[05:21] <chandu_> I got some information
[05:21] <Nafallo> jsgotangco: do they work over serial? ;-)
[05:21] <chandu_> I have to leave now ..
[05:21] <jsgotangco> :D
[05:21] <chandu_> Will catch you with few more questions tomorrow
[05:21] <chandu_> bye
[05:21] <ivoks> bye
[05:21] <Nafallo> chandu_: see ya
[05:23] <jsgotangco> ciao
[06:29] <andel7> i'm looking for any kind of bruteforce protection - some mechanism that will block the IP that failed to authenitcate more then 6 times? is there anything like that ?
[06:31] <ivoks> for ssh?
[06:32] <ivoks> anyway, iptables
[06:34] <ivoks> iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW -m recent --update --seconds 30 --hitcount 6 --rttl --name SSH -j DROP
[06:34] <ivoks> or something like that...
[06:41] <andel7> thanks ivoks
[06:41] <andel7> and yes i need it for ssh....
[06:41] <ivoks> np
[07:27] <dballester> nos vemos!
[11:11] <h4wk0> Im looking in getting a dedicated server and having ubuntu installed - Just wondered how stable is is proven to be
[11:12] <mralphabet> h4wk0: it works for lots of people
[11:12] <h4wk0> And i take it - you would advise me to use 6.06lts
[11:19] <mralphabet> I would advise you to use whatever you want, LTS offers package stability and security
[11:20] <Nafallo> so does 6.10 and 7.04 ;-)
[11:20] <mralphabet> 7.04 offers latest greatest packages
[11:20] <mralphabet> Nafallo: so LTS offers nothing over 6.10 / 7.04?
[11:21] <Nafallo> yes it does. 60 months instead of 18 :-)
[11:21] <Nafallo> if I calculated that correclty ;-)
[11:33] <h4wk0> All i need to find is a cheap us dedicated server place :)
[11:33] <h4wk0> Accpets paypal and allows irc
[11:37] <theacolyte> LOL
[11:37] <theacolyte> good luck
[11:37] <theacolyte> no network will allow IRC for cheap
[11:38] <theacolyte> if you decide to do IRC though, I'd suggest http://www.sharktech.net/
[11:47] <h4wk0> Well at the min - ive found corenetworks.net
[11:47] <h4wk0> But dont accept paypal, but sales team say they might be able to do it
[11:47] <h4wk0> But dont like the "may be able to"