[13:59] <seb128> hey
[13:59] <seb128> mhall119, do you host that one or do you need me to do it?
[14:01] <mhall119> seb128: which one?
[14:01] <seb128> "Using the Devportal API website for hosting Unity API docs"
[14:01] <seb128> seems you are on it
[14:01] <seb128> good
[14:01] <mhall119> yup
[14:01] <mhall119> want to join?
[14:01] <seb128> (I'm asking because it's in client 1)
[14:02] <seb128> I'm going to follow the stream
[14:02] <seb128> thanks
[14:23] <mhall119> seb128: thostr is asking me if I can move the smart scopes session
[14:24] <mhall119> because it conflicts with a scopes session in appdev-2
[14:24] <seb128> mhall119, client-2 is didrocks', check with him
[15:02] <cjwatson> do we have a hangout url?
[15:02] <seb128> cjwatson, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfbMgisdYZtcTSgeJImyw1TtOVbj_fwoCZ30BfDz5rOd2ItGw?authuser=0
[15:02] <cjwatson> thanks
[15:02] <seb128> (sorry I was watch the core-1 session and it overrun
[15:02] <lool> seb128: same here  :-)
[15:03] <bfiller> hangout link for anyone who wants on: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYe22T7EUVt357g3zk4OxS9o_I09puJxm7cqmFGU5w1K8WAO_w?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:04] <lool> uhoh
[15:04] <lool> bfiller: seb128 just posted a different one
[15:04] <lool> 16:02 < seb128> cjwatson,  https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfbMgisdYZtcTSgeJImyw1TtOVbj_fwoCZ30BfDz5rOd2ItGw?authuser=0
[15:04] <seb128> bfiller, sorry, I'm still used to "track lead hosting", I had one started
[15:05] <bfiller> seb128: shoudl we use yours?
[15:05] <seb128> bfiller, do you have people in yours? if not, join mine
[15:05] <seb128> cjwatson and pmcgowan are there
[15:05] <bfiller> seb128: we'll join yours
[15:05] <seb128> thanks
[15:06] <ara> seb128, youtube link?
[15:07] <balloons> do we have what's needed to start this hangout?
[15:08] <balloons> bfiller, ^^? popey?
[15:09] <pmcgowan> technical difficulties
[15:09] <lool> not getting the yt stream
[15:09] <bfiller> balloons: stand by
[15:09] <balloons> kk, :-) Just wanted to make sure you were set
[15:10] <seb128> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfbMgisdYZtcTSgeJImyw1TtOVbj_fwoCZ30BfDz5rOd2ItGw?authuser=0
[15:11] <karni> "Supporting touch apps on U desktop" session not started yet?
[15:11] <seb128> ok, good this time
[15:11] <seb128> karni, we had issue, starting in a sec
[15:11] <karni> ack, thanks
[15:11] <karni> looking forward! :)
[15:11] <seb128> http://youtu.be/dfFqYPxNanA
[15:12] <pmcgowan> can folks see us now
[15:12] <vthompson> Nope
[15:12] <vthompson> Sorry, Yep
[15:12] <mdeslaur> oh, people!
[15:12] <ara> yes!
[15:13] <cjwatson> bfiller: Could you paste the google doc here?
[15:14] <bfiller> https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0As1Fg7XBGWTjdG5ra1QtQURxM0VCVlU1dEdvN2l6SkE#gid=1
[15:14] <cjwatson> thanks
[15:19] <sergiusens> disabling is removing the icon?
[15:19] <sergiusens> it wouldn't work anyways
[15:21] <tedg> It can be set with an upstart job.
[15:21] <tedg> But we really want to ask Unity for it.
[15:21] <ara> bfiller, can we have an action item for that? default for DESKTOP_MODE
[15:22] <tedg> Because it could be per screen.
[15:22] <tedg> bfiller, You can put something in /usr/share/upstart/sessions
[15:23] <tedg> I've been told saviq is going to have magic desktop detection someday :-)
[15:23] <ara> pmcgowan, your input volume is a bit low
[15:24] <tedg> I think that for 14.10 we should have a session on that. We don't need to focus on that today, but it's a huge issue that we should discuss.
[15:24] <tedg> (that == figuring out if this machine is a desktop)
[15:28] <tedg> bfiller, Just to make sure it's on your list, people always ask me about URLs. How should we handle that?
[15:30] <tedg> Okay, that works for me.
[15:30] <tedg> Do we think that's for 14.04? Do we want the apps working for 14.04?
[15:31] <bfiller> tedg: would be nice if we could for 14.04 but don't know if possible
[15:31] <bfiller> you guys tell me :)
[15:31] <tedg> I think that we're not setting grid units automatically, talking with bregma about that yesterday.
[15:31] <tedg> There's an issue with needing manual configuration because apparently the KMS data is not reliable.
[15:31] <cjwatson> I'll drop out, since it doesn't sound like anyone's threatening to make me do click support on the desktop for 14.04 so I don't have to explain why we shouldn't :-)
[15:32] <tedg> Monitors lie apparently fairly regularly.
[15:32] <tedg> bfiller, It's a Qt plugin thing, right?. Not sure who handles that.
[15:32] <bfiller> tedg: ricmm maybe
[15:33] <pmcgowan> cjwatson, nope ;)
[15:34] <tedg> bfiller, He doesn't test all of his stuff on the desktop :-)
[15:35] <tedg> bfiller, HUD should "just work"
[15:35] <tedg> And it does, web browser shows up in the HUD for me.
[15:36] <tedg> bfiller, Good reason to switch to VI ;-)
[15:36] <pmcgowan> oh man too late for that
[15:40]  * tedg is good
[15:40] <vthompson> The weather app is very nice in desktop mode. Perhaps that could be added to the list?
[15:40] <ara> bfiller, who is taking the decision on whether to put DESKTOP_MODE=1 on 14.04 Desktop?
[15:40] <bfiller> ara: I will
[15:41] <ara> OK, let us know when you know, thanks
[15:41] <bfiller> ara: I think we will set it by default, just need to figure out the best mechansim for making that happen
[15:45] <ara> I think the PPA is a better solution, and leave SRUs just for critical/high issues
[15:46] <jdstrand> we can't support click on the 14.04 desktop
[15:46] <pmcgowan> ara, ok good
[15:46] <pmcgowan> jdstrand, ack
[15:48] <cjwatson> jdstrand: oh, I should have stayed on to refute that idea after all? :)
[15:48] <ara> I think keeping the current version in the archive make sense
[15:49] <ara> bfiller, +1
[15:49] <ara> I like that
[15:49] <tedg> cjwatson, Meetings are like staring contests, first person to leave gets all the work items.
[15:49] <jdstrand> cjwatson: no-- they said you said we wouldn't, but I typed that as they were saying it :)
[15:49] <cjwatson> heh, ok
[15:50] <cjwatson> I still have a work item for that, I should probably can it
[15:50]  * jdstrand had an itchy trigger finger
[15:50] <cjwatson> or explicitly defer
[15:51] <jdstrand> cjwatson: I think so-- I looked into the nested X session (still haven't written it up) and it just isn't feasible at this point
[15:51] <cjwatson> there was a work item to have aa-exec-click refuse on non-Mir, and then maybe some kinds of click package (webapps?) could work
[15:51] <cjwatson> but it seems to be cutting it a bit fine now anyway, and I could productively be working on image building improvements instead


[00:28] <wallyworld> menn0: do you have a link to the release notes?
[00:29] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: link is in canonical #juju channel
[00:29] <wallyworld> ta
[00:35]  * babbageclunk lunches
[00:35]  * babbageclunk runs actually
[01:41]  * redir eod
[01:54] <axw> wallyworld: mind if we hold off on 1:1 till quarter past? I'd like to fix this LXD bug ASAP
[01:55] <wallyworld> yep no problem, just ping when ready, no rush
[02:12] <axw> wallyworld: would you please review https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6912
[02:12] <wallyworld> sure
[02:16] <wallyworld> axw: in TestFinalizeCredentialLocalAddCertAlreadyThere, i can't see where "out" is used
[02:17] <wallyworld> could we check its contents like in the similar test
[02:17] <axw> wallyworld: yeah, I deleted it after running the test.. heh
[02:17] <axw> wallyworld: ok
[02:17] <wallyworld> i'd prefer we keep in and just do a check
[02:18] <axw> wallyworld: yep, will do
[02:18] <wallyworld> lgtm aprt from that
[02:18] <axw> wallyworld: pushed
[02:18] <axw> wallyworld: thanks
[02:19] <wallyworld> axw: a message to balloons to hold the release would be useful. he may even see this ping
[02:20] <balloons> I see jam is landing things too
[02:20] <balloons> so yea :-)
[02:20] <wallyworld> balloons: well, i merged for him :-)
[02:20] <balloons> ahh
[02:20] <balloons> go for it
[02:20] <balloons> be busy, and make beta5 as shiny as it can be'
[02:20] <wallyworld> great, agreed :-)
[02:20] <wallyworld> thanks
[02:23] <axw> wallyworld: 1:1 now?
[02:23] <wallyworld> sure
[02:36] <babbageclunk> wallyworld, axw, anastasiamac: I forgot to mention in the meeting, it's Waitangi Day here on Monday, so the kiwis won't be around.
[02:36] <axw> babbageclunk: ok, thanks
[02:36] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: bloody kiwi bludgers
[02:38] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: axw: shall we skip standup on monday then?
[02:39] <wallyworld> anastasiamac: don't you want to talkto me and andrew? :-(
[02:39] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: m always happy to tlk to andrew \o/
[02:40] <wallyworld> :-( :-( :-( :-( :-(
[02:41] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: that's a lot of faces u r wearing.. masks? :D
[02:41] <wallyworld> it's me crying
[02:42] <anastasiamac> u and me both
[02:46] <veebers> anastasiamac: lol, I think it's because you only want to talk to Andrew not Ian ^_^
[02:48]  * wallyworld sobs quietly
[02:50]  * anastasiamac hands tissues virtually
[02:58] <babbageclunk> redir: ping?
[02:59] <babbageclunk> redir: Entertainingly a bit of live testing shows that the PUT version doesn't do what I want (partial update), while the POST does.
[03:00] <babbageclunk> redir: directly counter to the docs.
[03:33] <babbageclunk> wallyworld, axw: my connection just dropped, so not sure whether anyone saw my last message: could someone review https://github.com/go-goose/goose/pull/39
[03:34] <babbageclunk> Please?
[03:34] <wallyworld> yeah, connection dropped
[03:34] <axw> babbageclunk: will do
[03:34] <babbageclunk> Thanks!
[03:35] <babbageclunk> I need to duck out soon to take my sister to the airport but I'll be around later on.
[03:39] <axw> babbageclunk: what openstacks have you QAd on? I'm curious about the discrepancy between docs and reality
[03:40] <babbageclunk> axw: yeah, I thought that was weird too. I've only tried on canonistack.
[03:40] <axw> babbageclunk: ok. would be good to test on rackspace also
[03:41] <babbageclunk> axw: good call, I'll do that now
[03:46] <babbageclunk> axw: rackspace behaves the same, although my test fails because they put some other stuff into the metadata. Fixing that now.
[03:47] <axw> wallyworld: do you think it would be reasonable to add a new "introspection" access level? to enable prometheus, you would add a user for it with introspection access; and then other users could be granted that access also, and they can hit up the pprof endpoints without having full access
[03:47] <axw> babbageclunk: okey dokey
[03:47] <axw> wallyworld: otherwise we'll need to add separate auth for introspection, with a special user/pass
[03:48] <wallyworld> axw: so introspection < read < write < admin?
[03:48] <axw> wallyworld: there's no read on controller
[03:48] <axw> wallyworld: login < introspection < superuser
[03:48] <wallyworld> ah controller, right
[03:48] <axw> wallyworld: hmm, but add-model ...
[03:48] <axw> sigh
[03:48] <axw> single dimension access does not work
[03:49] <wallyworld> yeah
[03:49] <wallyworld> we could chamge that
[03:49] <wallyworld> any of login, add-model could have introspection added
[03:49] <wallyworld> superuser implies it
[03:49] <axw> wallyworld: or we could just have introspection imply add-model. you still have to have creds
[03:50] <axw> wallyworld: so, login < add-model < introspection < superuser
[03:50] <wallyworld> not a fan that
[03:50] <wallyworld> because
[03:50] <wallyworld> why would you *need* to allow someone to add-model just because you want them to be able to introspect
[03:51] <axw> wallyworld: the permissions model just does not allow for multiple dimensions. what's the alternative?
[03:51] <axw> wallyworld: (I agree that it *shouldn't imply add-model)
[03:56] <axw> wallyworld: I guess another option is that you have *either* introspection *or* add-model
[03:56] <axw> wallyworld: kinda crappy, means you can't grant introspection to someone who can add models
[03:56] <axw> wallyworld: but maybe the least crappy option for now?
[04:02] <axw> wallyworld: bleh, but of course everything relies on them being in a single dimension for comparison
[04:06] <axw> wallyworld: new idea: support adding access for application tags, and introduce a conceptual "juju-controller" application. having "read" access on that would give you the ability to introspect it
[04:07] <axw> wallyworld: that goes in the direction of modelling juju in juju
[04:15] <blahdeblah> Is thumper not around today?
[04:15] <anastasiamac_> blahdeblah: on holidays
[04:15] <blahdeblah> OK - ta
[04:16] <anastasiamac_> blahdeblah: back next week, but maybe not monday (NZ public holiday?)
[04:27] <blahdeblah> I've got a reoccurrence of a bug he was helping me with, but the bug as described doesn't match what the symptoms were when we looked at it.
[04:28] <anastasiamac_> :(
[04:28] <blahdeblah> The bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1484105, but the problem we saw at the time was that there was mongo corruption which prevented charms from reporting status correctly.
[04:28] <mup> Bug #1484105: juju upgrade-charm returns ERROR state changing too quickly; try again soon <bug-squad> <canonical-is> <upgrade-charm> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1484105>
[04:29] <blahdeblah> So what happens is the charm gets upgraded on disk, but the results don't show up in juju status as upgraded.
[04:30] <blahdeblah> So I'm not sure whether I should log a new bug about this, or just update that one, even though the symptoms don't match. :-\
[04:31] <anastasiamac_> blahdeblah: maybe a new bug? a link the old one to it to describe how u think they r related?...
[04:33] <blahdeblah> Is there much point opening a new bug on 1.x?  It makes juju fairly broken, but we have a reasonably clear procedure for fixing it, so it's not likely to get much traction...
[04:35] <anastasiamac_> blahdeblah: true. add new info to existing bug... m not even sure if we have capacity to dig into any 1.x at this stage
[04:36] <anastasiamac_> blahdeblah: which 1.x is it?
[04:36] <blahdeblah> 1.25.9
[05:27] <wallyworld> axw: thanks for review, was good outcome
[05:27] <axw> wallyworld: np
[05:27] <axw> wallyworld: re my earlier spam. I think I've settled on supporting user being superuser on controller, or having read access to the controller model
[05:27] <axw> wallyworld: sound reasonable?
[05:28] <wallyworld> yeah, i think so. if you can read model you should be ok to introspect
[05:28] <wallyworld> we can ask for "guidance"
[05:28] <wallyworld> but keep it simple firs tup
[05:28] <axw> wallyworld: I'll just email the list once as a heads up, guidance can be given later
[05:29] <wallyworld> yep, that's what i meant sorry
[05:29] <axw> cool
[06:23] <axw> wallyworld: if you have time, please review https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6913
[06:23] <wallyworld> sure
[06:24] <axw> wallyworld: do you know if it's intentional that when you use "controller-config" or "model-config" with a single key, that multi-line strings get formatted as YAML ?
[06:24] <wallyworld> um, i *think* so, I *think* tim did it?
[06:24] <wallyworld> recently?
[06:27] <wallyworld> axw: just started looking - don't we already have a base auth http handler?
[06:30] <axw> wallyworld: I don't think so? everything I've looked at uses httpContext
[06:32] <axw> wallyworld: re controller-config, seems a bit crappy that "juju controller-config ca-cert" doesn't just give me the ca-cert unadorned. it comes out with YAML formatting
[06:32] <wallyworld> hmmm, we used to have an authContext of some sort. but now we have httpContext with func (ctxt *httpContext) stateForRequestAuthenticated(r *http.Request)
[06:33] <wallyworld> agree about the cert config, should ask tim next week
[06:33] <axw> wallyworld: Server has an authContext, httpContext has a Server
[06:34] <wallyworld> ok, np. seems there's been a bit of refactoring since i last looked at that code
[06:35] <wallyworld> i have to do school pickup, bbiab
[06:36] <jam> axw: wallyworld: single-key feels like we should be doing a raw-dump of the output, *not* formatted
[06:36] <jam> its intended that you can do "FOO=`juju config foo`"
[06:36] <jam> well probably FOO=$(juju config foo)
[06:37] <axw> jam: yeah, that's what I thought. was surprised when it didn't work
[06:38] <jam> axw: sounds like a bug to me
[06:38] <axw> jam: yeah, I'll file one
[07:26] <wallyworld> axw: that PR  LGTM. Will be a nice enahncement
[07:27] <axw> wallyworld: thanks
[11:30] <mup> Bug #1661576 opened: show-status-log formatting contains unwanted pad lines <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1661576>
[14:42] <mup> Bug #1661624 opened: show-status-log bogus timeline <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1661624>
[16:52] <mup> Bug #1661681 opened: Broken agent complaints about tomb: dying <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1661681>
[16:58] <redir> morning juju-dev
[16:58] <perrito666> redir: morning redir
[16:58] <perrito666> I thought you where out today
[16:59] <redir> fo a bit in a couple hours but not all day perrito666
[17:42] <balloons> redir, you about?
[17:42] <redir> yup
[17:42] <redir> balloons:
[17:42] <balloons> redir, I kind of want to land this for beta5 to fix the packaging issues: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6915
[17:43] <balloons> look at whose being crazy now
[17:43] <balloons> redir, the only real change is to allow 2.* and not 2.0. The rest is just renames for sanity
[17:50] <redir> balloons: shipit
[17:52] <balloons> redir, :-)
[18:27] <balloons> redir, while you're at it, bump the version PR: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6914
[18:28] <redir> balloons: looking
[18:28] <redir> balloons: lgtm
[20:34] <perrito666> k EOD, ill be online if annyone needs me


[11:37] <shibboleth> anyone here ub/memeber staff and have a line of communication with jeremie deray/artivis? https://launchpad.net/~artivis
[11:37] <shibboleth> there's a regression in a package he's maintaining
[11:37] <shibboleth> rather, a universe-package he recently updated, https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/c/ceres-solver/ceres-solver_1.11.0~dfsg0-2ubuntu0.1/changelog
[11:39] <shibboleth> the old package was broken up front and had been since 2015, his fix looks fine up front but introduces some other issues. in any case, does anyone have a direct line of communication with him at... work? if you do: "please drop him a line and ask him to build opencv against his updated package"
[11:53] <shibboleth> it's more about libceres-dev than ceres-solver, but he'll get it
[18:05] <mdeslaur> shibboleth: I'll let him know, thanks
[18:24] <shibboleth> ty
[18:25] <shibboleth> mdeslaur, ty. this is on xenial, btw


[00:24] <wxl> #lp
[00:24] <wxl> oops
[13:00] <musician_pro> hi everyone, I have a question: I downloaded latest version of Firefox from their repository, can I replace the folder (extracted) with the original folder present in /usr/lib ? Please if you reply to me write my name thank you
[13:17] <JohnDoe_71Rus> musician_pro: i use ff from http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/
[13:17] <JohnDoe_71Rus> unpack to /opt
[13:17] <JohnDoe_71Rus> packages from repos i remove
[14:38] <musician_pro> hi everyone, I have a question: I downloaded latest version of Firefox from their repository, can I replace the folder (extracted) with the original folder present in /usr/lib ? Please if you reply to me write my name thank you
[14:38] <musician_pro> please reply to my question not with other suggestions
[19:00] <TheSilentLink> hi anyone know why the sound in the taskbar lower right is greyed out?
[19:06] <wxl> @TheSilentLink: does your sound work at all? that would be my first guess.
[19:08] <lynorian> TheSilentLink, is it muted?
[19:09] <wxl> @lynorian: that should produce a different icon, no?
[19:09] <lynorian> yes a lighter gray one in the default theme
[19:11] <wxl> |oh i thought it was muted
[19:17] <wxl> i guess a muted color makes more sense than the circle and the line through it :)


[10:25] <kupesoft> I just attempted to install ubuntu by resizing an existing NTFS partition.  GParted crashed and when I rebooted to Windows it said it was repairing the drive.  Everything is fine, but Windows is reporting the the NTFS partition is the same size as it was before the resize but the amount of data stored on it is the amount it was *plus* the size of the would-be new partition.  What should I do?
[10:25] <rfschmid> kalosaurusrex: alright, I'll just not worry about it. What's the worst that could happen?
[10:25] <DjEvolution> piratehead: Can you walk me through installation. Im new to linux
[10:26] <adamonline45> mcphail: It is, but it's version 2.23, and they're on 2.25b...  For a web server, I'd like the latest update :)  I had it working from the old version, it was fine, but I tried to upgrade it to 2.25 and that's pretty much when I lost control.  I ended up reinstalling ubuntu-server to start anew, but I still can't install this thing right, as far as I can tell.
[10:26] <Laibsch> How do I configure X from the console?  I installed ubuntu today on my mom's machine, the install did not work so I went with debootstrap from Knoppix.  Now I need to get X working.
[10:26] <Ricket> kupesoft: try defragging
[10:26] <kalosaurusrex> rfschmid: not sure but nothing that isn't fixed able :)
[10:26] <PirateHead> kupesoft: restore to backup. You did back up before running GParted, right?
[10:26] <kupesoft> Ricket: Okay.  Nope, I didn't backup )=
[10:26] <riotkittie> kupesoft: did you run chkdsk ?
[10:26] <axa-axa> Hi. Can someone please help me map CTRL to right Win-key?
[10:26] <zack> i used the command "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /media/windows umask=0222" and it brings up a list of options for me so it doesnt work, am i using the umask option right?
[10:26] <kupesoft> riotkittie: chkdsk is a windows command?
[10:26] <Ricket> PirateHead: of course not! who has time or space to back up anyway! :-D /sarcasm
[10:26] <kupesoft> riotkittie: I'm running live ubuntu now.
[10:26] <LjL> kupesoft: yes, Windows NT and early versions of MS-DOS IIRC
[10:27] <sovieticool> !beryl help
[10:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beryl help - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:27] <LjL> Ubotu, tell sovieticool about beryl | sovieticool, see the private message from Ubotu
[10:27] <erUSUL> zack: sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=0222 /dev/hda1 /media/windows
[10:27] <kupesoft> LjL: Can I defrag from Linux?
[10:27] <mcphail> adamonline45: are there "features" you need in the new version? Ubuntu packages get security patches...
[10:28] <tom_> !beryl
[10:28] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[10:28] <LjL> kupesoft: short answer, no (and you don't need to)
[10:28] <wabz> hi, I'm trying to run some binary app, and I get - error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory - is there some compatibility package I can install or something?
[10:28] <erUSUL> zack: man mount ;)
[10:28] <nullvector> I have two problems, one is more of an anoyance. My numlock key is reversed. Anyone know how to correct this?
[10:28] <zack> erusul, what do you mean?
[10:28] <Ricket> LjL: you know, I always wondered that... why don't Linux FSes need to be defragged?
[10:28] <LjL> kupesoft: long answer, yes, there is a program called "defrag" available, for ext2 filesystems, but it doesn't really work for ext3 yet, it has not been updated in years. on the other hand, ext3 is much less susceptible to fragmentation than NTFS and FAT
[10:28] <axa-axa> Can someone please help me map CTRL to right Win-key?
[10:28] <kupesoft> Ricket, PirateHead, riotkittie, LjL: My best bet is try a defrag, first?
[10:28] <adamonline45> mcphail: I think it's in a thrid-party repository...  Universe, I believe?
[10:29] <erUSUL> zack: read the documentation type 'man man' in a terminal
[10:29] <tom_> ext3 does not suffer from fragmentation.
[10:29] <mcphail> adamonline45: universe isn't third party
[10:29] <Ricket> kupesoft: Yes, I think it would figure out that there is more free space.
[10:29] <kupesoft> Ricket: Okay, thanks.  I'll try.
[10:29] <LjL> Ricket: it's not that it doesn't *need* to, but in normal circumstances, it's quite unlikely to get fragmented. that's mostly because it tries to "keep files apart", i.e. when you create a new files, it tries to avoid putting it right next to an existing one. well, you get the idea anyway
[10:29] <adamonline45> no? Okay, lemme do some hunting...
[10:30] <LjL> Ricket: err, make that "quite unlikely to get fragmented in a way that affects performance". it *does* get fragmented
[10:30] <ubuntu60> need help
[10:30] <Ricket> LjL: interesting. so then on linux systems, the drive heads do more moving around maybe? well maybe not because they don't need to read various spots per file... but... hmm.
[10:30] <ubuntu60> need help pls
[10:30] <LjL> Ricket: but if one 600Mb file (say, a CD iso) gets split into 3 fragments, that's hardly a big deal
[10:30] <DjEvolution> piratehead: are you there?
[10:30] <ubuntu60> a have ati radeon tutorial., http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide#Method_2:_Install_the_Driver_Manually
[10:30] <Ricket> ubuntu60: please state your question and wait patiently
[10:30] <LjL> Ricket: they should move *less* than on a fragmented NTFS or FAT filesystem
[10:30] <Ricket> ubuntu60: ok
[10:31] <ubuntu60> and, fglrxinfo
[10:31] <ubuntu60> it's not accelerate
[10:31] <PirateHead> DjEvolution: I'm here.
[10:31] <ubuntu60> what it;s worg
[10:31] <DjEvolution> piratehead: can you help me out in chat?
[10:31] <tom_> DjEvolution: did you get Jokosher working?
[10:31] <PirateHead> DjEvolution: I sent you a private chat. Can you respond?
[10:32] <PirateHead> tom_: Jokosher is not a digital DJ program.
[10:32] <DjEvolution> piratehead: I did respond
[10:32] <sovieticool> my scrool from mouse isn't working why ?
[10:32] <LjL> Ricket: if you compare a completely non-fragmented ext3 filesystem to a completely non-fragmented NTFS filesystem, well, the heads will move the same amounts. so that doesn't mean anything. comparisons should be made on filesystems that have undergone "normal usage" - *defining* what "normal usage" is is the core issue, and one of the reasons why performance of X vs Y filesystems are often debated
[10:32] <PirateHead> DjEvolution: I didn't get your response. Is your nickname registered?
[10:32] <pbureau> when I try to runa terminal app that has graphical interface using gsku I get command not found... what am I missing ?
[10:32] <ubuntu60> Ricket
[10:32] <ubuntu60> ?
[10:33] <rashed202> guys
[10:33] <andycap_> help
[10:33] <rashed202> is there a way to have ubuntu install with a text based installer?
[10:33] <DjEvolution> piratehead: yes, I am supposed to type like I am here, correct?
[10:33] <Ricket> ubuntu60: i can't help you, i barely know ubuntu myself, i was just being a hall monitor :)
[10:33] <tom_> !alternative
[10:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alternative - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:33] <erUSUL> !alternate > RedKrieg
[10:33] <tom_> omg.
[10:33] <morrolan> rashed202 - download the "alternate install CD" iso
[10:33] <erUSUL> !alternate > rashed202
[10:33] <cafuego_> pbureau: you probably want 'gksudo'
[10:33] <kotatsu> anyone here ever set up a linksys nslu2 with linux?
[10:33] <adamonline45> mcphail: I remember now; it was 2.23 beta...  It seemed to work fine from the repo, maybe I'll just stick to what I can handle.
[10:33] <erUSUL> RedKrieg: sorry, bad tab completion ;P
[10:34] <LjL> Ricket: still, both FAT and NTFS are particularly notorious for being very susceptible to fragmentation, compared to most other modern filesystems, which is why "defrag" utilities abound on Windows, while on Linux, the less-than-very-useful and 10-years-unmaintained "defrag" package is all we have
[10:34] <sovieticool> my scrool from mouse isn't working why ?
[10:34] <pbureau> cafuego, thanks
[10:34] <sovieticool> is a logitech cordless
[10:34] <andycap_> k, I use windows and just tried out ubuntu, when i went to install it where it got to portioning it I clicked next and then I was like wtf, I don't know if I want to do this and I pressed cancel at 1% and restarted my computer now, when I reboot it says, missing operating system
[10:34] <rashed202> but that's only different for the installation right?? I get the same gnome desktop after I install?
[10:34] <khaije1> i'm looking at a tdi-based firewall, does anyone know what tdi is?
[10:34] <adamonline45> !logrotate
[10:34] <zack> i still dont know what i am doing wrong, the manual says umask is a valid option for ntfs file systems.  this is my command i am using  "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /media/windows umask=0222" i am trying to make it so i mount the volume and have permission to copy files
[10:34] <doronBE> hi, I would like to know if there is a way to enlarge the "/" dir. I was trying ubuntu as migration distro from ms and now I wanna clear the MS partition and add it to the ubuntu "/", help ?
[10:34] <ubotu> logrotate: Log rotation utility. In component main, is standard. Version 3.7.1-3 (edgy), package size 34 kB, installed size 160 kB
[10:34] <cafuego_> zack: -o umask=0222
[10:34] <PirateHead> DjEvolution: yes. I don't know what the problem is. In any case, here's all you need to do: enable the Ubuntu Edgy Universe repository, if you have not already; then, in the terminal, run "sudo apt-get install mixxx" and "sudo apt-get install mixxx-data", without the quotes.
[10:35] <LjL> doronBE: it's possible, yes (while shrinking is much more troublesome, i think). gparted should allow you to do that quite easily
[10:35] <adamonline45> !thttpd-util
[10:35] <ubotu> thttpd-util: Support utilities for thttpd. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.23beta1-4 (edgy), package size 24 kB, installed size 132 kB
[10:35] <zack> cafuego thanks so much!
[10:35] <LjL> doronBE: keep in mind that it's, of course, a sort of operation that can hardly be considered very safe, so you should in theory have a backup
[10:35] <tom_> sudo apt-get install mixxx
[10:35] <tom_> ;)
[10:35] <andycap_> can someone tell me why windows isn't loading anymore?
[10:35] <doronBE> LjL: and what about shrinking ? can I do it with gparted too ?
[10:35] <erUSUL> andycap_: i'm afraid you messed up your partitions :( you may have screwed your system....
[10:36] <andycap_> what can I do?
[10:36] <DjEvolution> piratehead: W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012) breezy/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%205.10%20%5fBreezy%20Badger%5f%20-%20Release%20i386%20(20051012)_dists_breezy_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:36] <LjL> doronBE: i'm afraid not, actually i'm afraid you can't do it at all, except by backing up, making a new smaller partition, and restoring. i might be mistaken though, but that's what i seem to recall for ext3
[10:36] <Ricket> Okay so. Gnash sucks, at least in Firefox. What are my alternatives?
[10:36] <erUSUL> andycap_: a reboot durin partitioning or resaizing of disks is a very bad idea
[10:36] <andycap_> well, I cancelled at 1%.. and I just restarted after
[10:36] <axa-axa> Can someone please help me map CTRL to right Win-key?
[10:37] <erUSUL> Ricket: flashplugin-nonfree ??
[10:37] <PirateHead> DjEvolution: the package is not available in the Breezy repository, only in the Edgy one; and you have to add the Universe repository because you won't find mixxx on your cdrom repo.
[10:37] <doronBE> LjL: I have an MS partition which consumes 140GB and 10GB for ubuntu. isnt there a way to move around freespace ? I remember MS has a program called PQ-MagiK which can do it with NTFS easily and in a friendly manner
[10:38] <mcphail> andycap_: the damage may well be done already. Google for "testdisk" which can occasionally recover partitions
[10:38] <DjEvolution> piratehead: What Am I supposed to do then?
[10:38] <andycap_> thank you!
[10:38] <LjL> doronBE, gparted can do it for NTFS too, i think. it can both grow and shrink NTFS partitions. it's ext3 partition that it cannot shrink, but only grow. still if i recall correctly
[10:38] <adamonline45> how do I erase a directory that's not empty?
[10:38] <PirateHead> DjEvolution: you could try compiling from source, but that might end up being difficult.
[10:39] <LjL> doronBE: it's called PQMagic or Partition Magic anyway, the Windows utility
[10:39] <mcphail> adamonline45: rm -rf directory
[10:39] <PirateHead> Does anyone know how well an Edgy package might install on Breezy?
[10:39] <LjL> adamonline45: "man rm", look for "recursive"
[10:39] <DjEvolution> Piratehead: ahh, nvm. Thanks alot anyway :)
[10:39] <doronBE> LjL: thats exactly what I need ! thanks
[10:39] <LjL> PirateHead: 80% or so chance that it won't
[10:39] <adamonline45> LjL: thanks :)
[10:39] <LjL> doronBE: but don't use Partition Magic, that won't work for your *Linux* filesystem at all
[10:39] <doronBE> yeah, I know
[10:39] <adamonline45> mcphail: Missed yours, thank you too :)
[10:40] <andycap_> ok I downloaded the linuxTestDisk
[10:40] <Ricket> erUSUL: I can't find that in the Synaptic Package Manager...
[10:40] <andycap_> now what do I do :\
[10:41] <erUSUL> Ricket: did you enabled multiverse? also the flash 9 is in the seveas repo (multiverse has 7)
[10:41] <erUSUL> !multiverse > Ricket
[10:41] <andycap_> how do I install TestDisk?
[10:41] <Soul^Reaver> need help installing gmp to install other programs
[10:41] <Ricket> erUSUL: i'm pretty sure I did...
[10:42] <Soul^Reaver> keep getting Errors is there an easyer way to instal the new gmp?? cus its not in my apt-get or install manager
[10:42] <erUSUL> ! info flashplugin-nonfree
[10:42] <Ricket> erUSUL: yeah in software sources I checked every box I could get my mouse on, including "Software restricted by copyright or legal issues (multiverse)"
[10:42] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 7.0.68~ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 15 kB, installed size 164 kB (Only available for i386)
[10:42] <drx> can anyone please tell me how to mount & access an LVM partition called /dev/VG_Guests/WinSqlVm (on /dev/sdb2) (system is on /dev/sda)?
[10:43] <erUSUL> Ricket: it is there except if you are on amd64....
[10:43] <LjL> !flash9 | erUSUL, no need for seveas anymore
[10:43] <ubotu> erUSUL, no need for seveas anymore: Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[10:43] <erUSUL> Ricket: or ppc.... only fot ia32
[10:43] <Ricket> erUSUL: I'm on a Sempron...
[10:43] <Ricket> I think...
[10:44] <erUSUL> Ricket: what says 'uname -m' ??
[10:44] <erUSUL> LjL: thanks for the info ;)
[10:44] <sheriff> hi to everybody, i  am trying to install edgy but after the boot screen i get black screen and the sign which is like i pluged-out the monitor cable so how can i fix it?
[10:44] <andycap_> erUSUL: how do I install this TestDisk?
[10:45] <Soul^Reaver> Need help installing gmp on kubuntu it gave me site & I downloaded it & its giving me 1 error, is there an easyer way to install GMP cus its not in my pat-get install manager
[10:45] <Ricket> erUSUL: x86_64
[10:45] <mcphail> andycap_: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/OS_Notes#Precompiled_binaries
[10:45] <ubuntero> hello, im using windows xp and suse linux, i have grub so i can switch both systems. i want to install the new ubuntu installer which runs ubuntu from windows, anyone knows if i will have a problem (i already have grub installed). thanks a lot for your help
[10:45] <dcordes> inside a bash script, which i run with sudo, i need one command to be executed with the normal user. how can i manage this?
[10:45] <erUSUL> andycap_: sudo apt-get install testdisk ??
[10:45] <erUSUL> Ricket: sorry but not flash for you :( go complain adobe ;)
[10:45] <rosalsazs> hi all
[10:45] <LjL> ubuntero, i think that installer is still very experimental and likely to crash or do nasty things to your disks - if it's even completed at all
[10:46] <g333k_work> hi, I have cloned my hard disk, then when I turned on for 2nd time the pc with the cloned hard disk the network devices appeared disable, why?
[10:46] <Ricket> erUSUL: gah.
[10:46] <nullvector> simple question -- should I use berryl or Compiz? I currently have compiz installed. However I cannot get a theme manager andteh compiz settings to work.
[10:46] <g333k_work> now I cant enable them
[10:46] <Ricket> erUSUL: no flash for me? that's it, nothing else?
[10:46] <drx> when I use Nautilus to double click /dev then /VG_Guests then /WinSqlVm it says "can't display location" what do I do now?
[10:46] <bobovski> Ricket: why no flash for you?
[10:46] <LjL> ubuntero, besides, though i guess that's what you meant, it doesn't *run Ubuntu from Windows*, it merely allows you to start an Ubuntu installation from inside Windows, instead of by booting from a CD
[10:46] <ubuntero> really? i thought it wouldnt be risky
[10:46] <rosalsazs> i have some one who wants to install ubuntu as a server mainly as a CMS
[10:46] <yomm> what is a kind & correct way to end an application from the terminal ?
[10:46] <erUSUL> Ricket: there is no flash for 64 bits (even windows 64 bits iirc)
[10:46] <Ricket> bobovski: that's what erUSUL just said after I told him the "uname -m" said "x86_64"...
[10:46] <LjL> Ubotu, tell rosalsazs about server | rosalsazs, see the private message from Ubotu
[10:46] <LjL> Ubotu, tell rosalsazs about lamp | rosalsazs, see the private message from Ubotu
[10:46] <rashed202> what's the default password for ubuntu?
[10:46] <Ricket> erUSUL: is it 64 bit?
[10:46] <rosalsazs> they installed ubuntu server but the want a gui
[10:47] <bobovski> ah, no 64 bit flawsh for you?
[10:47] <ubuntero> yes i know that LjL
[10:47] <rosalsazs> would they be better off with ubuntu normal?
[10:47] <ubuntero> it makes a new isntall
[10:47] <LjL> rashed202: there is none, you're asked to choose one during installation
[10:47] <bobovski> won't the 32 bit 9.0 work?
[10:47] <rosalsazs> or should they install a gui on ubuntu server?
[10:47] <Soul^Reaver> ubuntu sucks neway try kubuntu :P
[10:47] <erUSUL> bobovski: no
[10:47] <bobovski> wow, bad adobe
[10:47] <rebelfallen> I am connecting to a wireless router with a USB wireless card with my windows machine. Is there any way to hook up an ethernet cable direct from my windows box to my Ubuntu box to grab the connection from there?
[10:47] <mcphail> yomm: ctrl-c is usually correct
[10:47] <Ricket> erUSUL: so I have 64-bit Ubuntu??
[10:47] <ubuntero> but as i have installed grub and not the windows loader, may be the ubuntu "install" tool gets confused and makes some nasty thing in my system
[10:47] <cpk1> rosalsazs: they can just install X and a WM after they install ubuntu server it doesnt really matter
[10:47] <LjL> rosalsazs: i don't think, a GUI can be installed on the server version too. however, if they're going to use the system for *desktop* kind of things, then the server edition is most probably not the right choice
[10:47] <erUSUL> Ricket: yes
[10:47] <yomm> rebel : sure you can
[10:48] <Ricket> erUSUL: yikes, eww! gotta get it off!
[10:48] <Ricket> erUSUL: I'll be back when I install 32-bit, I had no idea :)
[10:48] <andycap_> erUSUL: when I download it, it just takes me to the archive
[10:48] <rebelfallen> yomm: anything special I need to do or do I just connect it and ubuntu will find the connection?
[10:48] <LjL> ubuntero: it shouldn't, it should just install another GRUB that can boot your Ubuntu, your SuSE and your Windows. it's certainly much less risky than that Windows installer, at any rate
[10:48] <cpk1> LjL: really you cant add X to server version?
[10:48] <erUSUL> Ricket: you installed it.... sure you known what you were doing when you dl the amd64 iso image
[10:48] <andycap_> erUSUL: I am just using the bootup disc, I don't have full Ubuntu
[10:48] <bobovski> most of my flash+firefox problems have been solved wtih flash 9.0 and the updated firefox
[10:48] <LjL> cpk1: i don't think that's what i said
[10:48] <yomm> bridge or share internet connection on windoze box
[10:48] <dcordes> rebelfallen: one way is to connect both clients with a cable to the router, other way is to use a cross over cable, connecting both machines directly.
[10:49] <Soul^Reaver> Yomm u mean winho's :P
[10:49] <yomm> :)
[10:49] <sheriff> hi to everybody, i  am trying to install edgy but after the boot screen i get black screen and the sign which is like i pluged-out the monitor cable so how can i fix it?
[10:49] <rebelfallen> Ahhhhhh gotcha
[10:49] <g333k_work> hi, I have cloned my hard disk, then when I turned on for 2nd time the pc with the cloned hard disk the network devices appeared disable, why?
[10:49] <rosalsazs> LjL: he want to use it to run a cms like mabo etc
[10:49] <erUSUL> andycap_: you can install programs in the livecd (System>Admin>Synaptic)...
[10:49] <bobovski> sheriff: asnd dapper worked ok or is this your first attmept at ubuntu?
[10:49] <LjL> rosalsazs: well, and the problem is?
[10:50] <Soul^Reaver> NEED Help with installing GMP so I can install otehr programs, Its not in my apt-get I have the instaler wont let me Install
[10:50] <dcordes> g333k_work: good question :) just ifconfig up them again
[10:50] <sheriff> bobvski : yes dapper worked
[10:50] <danho> hi, i have a laptop and a desktop, is there any way to combine the cpu power together ? coz usally i use one of them at a time.
[10:50] <ubuntero> yes.. but i meant that windows installer... i have already installed ubuntu with cd, but i want to test this one because i dont need a new partition. but i dont know if i will get troubled since i already have grub installed (instead of the windows loader)... thats what i dont know, anyway you tell me that the installer is buggy
[10:50] <yomm> rebel : after bridging or sharing the windoze side will be handing out dhcp , so set your ubuntu network to dhcp !
[10:50] <rosalsazs> cpk1: is  there any disadvantage of runing apache and stuff on ubuntu normal?
[10:50] <rebelfallen> yomm: ahha. Yeah okay that makes sense. thank you
[10:50] <bobovski> sheriff: weird. tried a different install disk?
[10:50] <g333k_work> dcordes, it doenst work
[10:50] <dcordes> g333k_work: oh what kind of network devices to you use?
[10:50] <yomm> rebel : and the ubuntu should have no probel finding it & connecting
[10:50] <jordo23> I run a 64 bit system with a chroot and Konqueror 32 running under that CHROOT. When I go to my home directory, my mounted drives (on my desktop) are not accessible in Konqueror as they have a lock over them. When selecting them, they say that the drive does not seem to exist anymore. How do you fix this? (I know this isn't #KDE, but this is more a CHroot question than anything)
[10:50] <LjL> rosalsazs: no, it's just that the server edition is optimized for that sort of things. but they'll work quite fine on the desktop edition too
[10:51] <rosalsazs> LjL: : is  there any disadvantage of runing apache and stuff on ubuntu normal?
[10:51] <tito_linux> I have accidentally rm -rf the contents of my home directory, is there anything I can do
[10:51] <LjL> tito_linux: not much
[10:51] <yomm> rebel : and then ubuntu should have no problem finding it & connecting to the net !
[10:51] <LjL> Ubotu, tell tito_linux about testdisk | tito_linux, see the private message from Ubotu
[10:51] <mcphail> tito_linux: restore from backup or use photorec
[10:51] <matahari> hi
[10:51] <sheriff> bobovski: no but it happened to me when i try to install pardus linux but i dont know why it happened i mean the splash screen came up but then i saw only black screen
[10:52] <danho> roughly, how long time is required to build firefox please
[10:52] <bobovski> sheriff: others might correct me, but it sounds like X is having a hard time starting up
[10:52] <tito_linux> photorec?
[10:52] <matahari> i wanted to install ubuntu edgy on my brothers machine (using the alternate install), but it fails at the end of the step "installing software"
[10:52] <danho> on a centrino 1.0M cpu
[10:52] <rosalsazs> LjL: i spose if i wants a gui he should just use ubuntu normal
[10:52] <drx> can someone help me access an LVM volume that says "can't display location"?
[10:52] <mcphail> tito_linux: it is file recovery software
[10:52] <matahari> i tried to skip this step ans just install grub, but grub can't install either
[10:52] <LjL> tito_linux: photorec is a recovery program included with testdisk, which is the package the bot pointed you to
[10:52] <rosalsazs> LjL: might just be slower on old machinies i guess
[10:52] <matahari> any commands on the commandline, so i can finish this installation?
[10:52] <LjL> mcphail: it is in the testdisk package though, that's worth mentioning
[10:52] <g333k_work> dcordes, mmm PCI ?
[10:53] <mcphail> LjL: agreed
[10:53] <bobovski> sheriff: or is it after the spash screen showing nautilis starting?
[10:53] <cpk1> rosalsazs: not really any that I can see, you can just install LAMP if you get the desktop version and then you can slowly wean yourself off of X until you are doing everything in tty1 with no X
[10:53] <nullvector> what manager allows you to configure compiz and themes?
[10:53] <sheriff> bobovski : yes
[10:53] <zoom_> hello
[10:53] <LjL> !repeat | Soul^Reaver
[10:53] <ubotu> Soul^Reaver: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[10:53] <tito_linux> OK, I'm in testdisk. Where do I go from here?
[10:53] <g333k_work> dcordes, the one that comes inside the server I assume they are PCI, because the server has 2 NICS
[10:53] <zoom_> I have question
[10:53] <bobovski> sheriff: ack. I dunno
[10:53] <yomm> lol reaver beware of obuto
[10:53] <zoom_> Can I install xubuntu in a USB key?
[10:54] <Soul^Reaver> LjL shut it ignored
[10:54] <rosalsazs> cpkl: sorry i did read you coment right
[10:54] <LjL> Soul^Reaver: excuse me?
[10:54] <rendo> This isn't a technical question, but more of a I want to know question.  Roughly how many ubuntu users are there in the world?
[10:54] <tom_> BILLIONS
[10:54] <rosalsazs> cpkl: ok ill just tell him to apt-get install gnome or whatever
[10:54] <macd> or so we'd like the think
[10:54] <rendo> Not potential users :P
[10:54] <LjL> trillions. rendo, try asking on #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[10:55] <rosalsazs> ubuntuguide will say
[10:55] <tito_linux> How do I use the photorec thing, I'm in testdisk now
[10:55] <jhasse> Where can i get feisty herd 3?
[10:55] <houmalam> how do I get flash 9 to work in firefox (Kubuntu)
[10:55] <LjL> tito_linux: i've never actually used it to be honest, i just know it's the only recovery tool available from the repositories
[10:55] <LjL> Ubotu, tell houmalam about flash9 | houmalam, see the private message from Ubotu
[10:56] <tom_> !flash
[10:56] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:56] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[10:56] <tito_linux> It only seems to recover lost partitions
[10:56] <fluvvell> quit
[10:56] <LjL> houmalam: enable backports, and then install flashplugin-nonfree, i suppose
[10:56] <LjL> tito_linux: well, it tries to recover *files* from lost partitions. if the partition is not actually lost, i don't think it make a difference to it
[10:56] <bobovski> LjL: yes, that works to get 9 now
[10:56] <houmalam> thx, I'll try it
[10:56] <rosalsazs> LjL: do you disagree with cpk1  that u can just install a WM to the sever version?
[10:57] <mcphail> tito_linux: "sudo photorec", then select your options
[10:57] <LjL> tito_linux: still, best you'll be able to do is recover single files here and there, nothing will just give you back your virgin /home directory as it was
[10:57] <KHatfull> Hi, can I stop ubuntu from accessing my bluetooth device by blacklisting the bluetooth driver?  I want to use BT with my VMware XP VM and the device keeps getting killed in vmware because Ubuntu polls it...wil blacklisting "bluetooth" absolutely prevent it from loading?
[10:57] <LjL> rosalsazs: no, i don't disagree. actually i said that you could, i'm not sure why you both seemed to interpret it otherwise..
[10:57] <agnostic> can not reach console with Ctrl+Alt+F1, 2, 3......
[10:57] <KHatfull> I have already unchecked bluetooth services in the services panel
[10:57] <mcphail> tito_linux: the best you will get is a "soup" of recovered files, minus their original filenames etc
[10:57] <LjL> rosalsazs: what i said is, "a GUI can be installed on the server version too. however, if they're going to use the system for *desktop* kind of things, then the server edition is most probably not the right choice"
[10:58] <cpk1> LjL: i missed your comma is what happened =P
[10:58] <tito_linux> Thanks for your help, I've really landed in it now though
[10:58] <tito_linux> Right, resolution: keep backups
[10:58] <axa-axa> If I am to use Beryl, should I just install it's packages and then use `sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager` to select Beryl for Gnome?
[10:59] <mcphail> tito_linux: you'll probably be able to recover most of your stuff, but you'll have a lot of work sifting through the debris and renaming
[10:59] <LjL> cpk1: oh, right i see that now, it could be ambiguous yeah
[10:59] <andycap_> erUSUL: I can't find the testdisk in the Synaptic
[10:59] <LjL> Ubotu, tell jhasse_away about away | jhasse_away, see the private message from Ubotu
[10:59] <LjL> !testdisk | andycap_
[10:59] <ubotu> testdisk: Partition scanner and disk recovery tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 6.4.1-1 (edgy), package size 459 kB, installed size 1232 kB
[10:59] <LjL> andycap_: do you have universe enabled?
[10:59] <agnostic> can not reach console with Ctrl+Alt+F1, 2, 3......
[10:59] <andycap_> using LiveCD
[10:59] <jonah1980> hi guys can anyone help me, this movie conversion command isn't working: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3737/
[11:00] <houmalam> Thx all, flash is good
[11:00] <andycap_> I honestly have no idea
[11:00] <andycap_> how would I go by enabling it?
[11:00] <LjL> Ubotu, tell andycap_ about universe | andycap_, see the private message from Ubotu
[11:00] <tito_linux> I am so close to suicide! If I could just get back the article I was writing, and some of my coursework, it's going to take 3 hours and it has thousands of files already. Thanks again guys, I need some coffee!
[11:00] <erUSUL> andycap_: you have to enable universe... go to configuration>repositories
[11:01] <LjL> andycap_: short answer, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add "universe multiverse" to the end of all the lines that end with "main restricted". but if you're not comfortable editing config files, just use the GUI as the page explains
[11:01] <houmalam> which java for Kubuntu 6.10??
[11:01] <rashed202> guys, is there a way I can write to any of the system files while using the live CD?
[11:01] <|PiP|> how can i delete a directory that has files and folders in it with one command?
[11:01] <LjL> rashed202: sure. they just won't survive a reboot
[11:01] <axa-axa> If I am to use Beryl, should I just install it's packages and then use `sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager` to select Beryl for Gnome?
[11:01] <LjL> rashed202: but you can write to them fine AFAIK, there's a unionfs with a RAM disk in place
[11:02] <rashed202> Just... normally?
[11:02] <kristianlm> hi eveyone! how can you monitor file access in linux? i want to find out which process is constantly accessing my hardisk. lsof doesnt seem to be of much help...any other good tools?
[11:02] <rashed202> Cuz I can't use the installer, I need to apply a patch so that it works fine with the TV out i'm using
[11:03] <jonah1980> hello anyone: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3737/
[11:03] <jerb> What does ubuntu use for hardware detection ? ie what is the kudzu for ubuntu ?
[11:03] <Rude-Boy> Why is ubuntu so awesome?
[11:03] <Laibsch> My computer does not bring up networking interfaces upon reboot.  Calling "/etc/init.d/networking restart" after logging in from the console brings up the interfaces just fine.  What is keeping ubuntu from configuring the interfaces straight at startup?
[11:04] <agnostic> can not reach console with Ctrl+Alt+F1, 2, 3......
[11:04] <willys_fueguino> Rude-Boy: 'cause it's VERY easy for a total Noob
[11:04] <drx> anyone know how to mount an LVM partition from a different Linux installation?
[11:04] <andre> Rude-boy: ubuntu is awesome, because... well...  it is
[11:04] <Rude-Boy> <--- total noob
[11:04] <Rude-Boy> lol
[11:04] <willys_fueguino> XDDD
[11:04] <willys_fueguino> Rude-Boy: me too
[11:04] <LjL> rashed202, to the best of my knowledge, yes. you're only limited by RAM availability, since the changes you make to the filesystem will be stored in RAM (so installing 300Mb worth of programs is not a good idea, for instance)
[11:04] <willys_fueguino> :-
[11:04] <PirateHead> kristianlm: google "open source file access monitor"
[11:04] <andycap_> it says I do not have the necessary permissions to save the file.
[11:05] <andre> Rude-boy:  on its own on first impression, to me is just an linux distro
[11:05] <Rude-Boy> you have to sudo chmod ugoa+rwx file
[11:05] <willys_fueguino> andycap_: use sudo to open the editor
[11:05] <andycap_> sudo = terminal?
[11:05] <Rude-Boy> i mean i've done a little unix before, but yeah i'm picking up a whole lotta termianl
[11:05] <Rude-Boy> yeah
[11:05] <willys_fueguino> andycap_: yes... from a terminal
[11:05] <willys_fueguino> andycap_: you can use alt+ f2 too
[11:05] <andycap_> well, I opened the file in gedit
[11:06] <andycap_> is that alright?
[11:06] <andre> Rude-Boy: after playing with it for a while, installing beryl, and all the other programs I need to carry on my daily activites.  it becomes as user friendly as windows and best of all it is free and looks awesome.
[11:06] <andycap_> I edited the .list and it won't let me save
[11:06] <adamonline45> andycap_: Make sure you can save the file
[11:06] <Rude-Boy> yeah i love it so far, and with Wine there's almost nothing I can't do that I normally do
[11:06] <willys_fueguino> andycap_: to modify the sources you should open it with gksudo gedit
[11:06] <adamonline45> andycap_: Hah, just what I thought... You have to type 'sudo gedit <filename>' to be able to write a file with root privileges
[11:07] <andycap_> :\ I just want my comp back to normal
[11:07] <willys_fueguino> Rude-Boy: I started to use linux with ubuntu.. that easy it is :-D
[11:07] <rosalsazs> LjL: sorry i think the first time u said i there may have been a typo
[11:07] <rosalsazs> no worrys
[11:07] <Rude-Boy> lol
[11:07] <rosalsazs> :)
[11:07] <kristianlm> piratehead: ive tried to look around of course. but i find it hard to believe there isnt something already that will enable you to see which file was last accessed on the system, and then use lsof to find which process is using it
[11:07] <andre> Rude-Boy: the community is great,  they generally always answer your questions here on irc
[11:07] <rosalsazs> do i use apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade the kerenel?
[11:07] <Rude-Boy> yeah i am surprised how huge the community is
[11:07] <axa-axa> If I am to use Beryl, should I just install it's packages and then use `sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager` to select Beryl for Gnome?
[11:08] <willys_fueguino> Rude-Boy: you CAN use tab to auto-complete nicks, like in console ;-)
[11:08] <kristianlm> i image theres gotta be a nice trick to it? like sorting all files by access tile? is that possible?
[11:08] <PirateHead> kristianlm: sorry, I don't know how to do that. If you don't get a response here, try the Ubuntu forums.
[11:08] <willys_fueguino> andre: agree with that... the ubuntu community is AWESOME (like that, with caps)
[11:08] <andycap_> ok, let me get this straight
[11:08] <andre> Rude-boy: Just be polite and don't ask your questions too often in a short period of time
[11:09] <andycap_> I type sudo gedit "/etc/apt/sources.list"
[11:09] <LjL> rosalsazs: well, you had asked "would they be better off with ubuntu normal?", and i replied "i don't think, a GUI can be installed on the server version too".   it's everything in the comma ;-) i didn't realize that would be ambiguous
[11:09] <Rude-Boy> cool :)
[11:09] <andre> if after asking twice for the answer to a question you don't get the answer,  come back tomorrow and ask again
[11:09] <Fanskapet> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/beryl-plugins_0.1.9999.1~0beryl1_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/beryl/libimgjpeg.so', which is also in package beryl-plugins-extra
[11:09] <Fanskapet> anyone know how to find a solution for this problem while updating ?
[11:10] <Yashy> Can anyone help with an initramfs issue? http://www.pastebin.ca/334707
[11:10] <zoom_> Can I install xubuntu in a USB key?
[11:10] <LjL> Ubotu, tell Fanskapet about beryl | Fanskapet, see the private message from Ubotu
[11:10] <LjL> Fanskapet: anyway try removing beryl-plugins-extra
[11:10] <kristianlm> piratehead: ok but thanks anyway!
[11:11] <PirateHead> zoom_: install it IN a USB key?
[11:11] <PirateHead> zoom_: as in, partition and run your OS on flash memory?
[11:11] <Laibsch> My computer does not bring up networking interfaces upon reboot.  Calling "/etc/init.d/networking restart" after logging in from the console brings up the interfaces just fine.  What is keeping ubuntu from configuring the interfaces straight at startup?
[11:11] <adamonline45> How do I change a users home directory?
[11:12] <andycap_> k, I finished doing the sudo gedit and now I go back to Synaptic and still can't find the package...
[11:12] <PirateHead> adamonline45: as in, you don't want their home folder to be /home/theirusername?
[11:12] <Zambezi> There a Windowsapplication named Doublekiller that checks for double files. Is there a similar thing i Linux?
[11:12] <willys_fueguino> Someone could tell me the command for visudo to make user "willy" use the command firestarter as root without asking for a password??
[11:12] <Pelo> I have a noobish question about partitionning,   I just partitioned a hdd ( secondary hdd on my comp, no os on it),  with one partition taking all the available space ( ext3) , this hd is suppose to be empty and there is already 1.3 Gig of space used on it ,  what is that 1.3 gig being used for ?
[11:12] <mcphail> andycap_: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/OS_Notes#Precompiled_binaries
[11:13] <spua7> Has anyone noticed ubuntu running cooler on a laptop than XP running on it?
[11:13] <willys_fueguino> Pelo: couldn't know...
[11:13] <andycap_> I've tried that it says: "sudo: ./testdisk_static,: command not found"
[11:14] <willys_fueguino> Pelo: My advice to you is to have 2 partitions: 1 / and 1 for /home
[11:14] <adamonline45> No, I want it to be /www, so I can easily move files to my webserver using their account without allowing root ssh access...  Unless that's silly, and there's a better way to transfer files on a local network...
[11:14] <dallingham> I need some help with an NFS server. NFS seems to randomly deny permission to files. Some times they are visible, sometimes they give me a permission denied error.
[11:14] <adamonline45> PirateHead: ^^
[11:14] <aluno> helo
[11:14] <sakobatoneko> how can i get my tool bars back
[11:14] <zoom_> PirateHead: similar to liveCD but on USBflash (pendrive)
[11:15] <PirateHead> adamonline45: can you change the owner of your directory in /www?
[11:15] <_lister> hi all
[11:15] <mcphail> andycap_: then you probably didn't follow the instructions exactly
[11:15] <Jowi> Pelo, if it is empty no space should be used, correct? you should mount the partition on that disk and check
[11:15] <andre> PirateHead:  have you tried creating a symbolic link in your user folder?
[11:15] <adamonline45> PirateHead: Ahh, that's a good idea, I bet that'll work... :D
[11:15] <PirateHead> adamonline45: if your web directory were /www/adamonline45, you could ask the administrator to chown the directory to allow you to access it.
[11:16] <aluno> bye I don't ask your say
[11:16] <willys_fueguino> Jowi: That's not exactly true...
[11:16] <morrolan> if I use dm-crypt to encrypt my /home directory, will it cause problems?
[11:16] <_lister> anyone help with a weird wi-fi problem?
[11:16] <morrolan> _lister, what's your problem?
[11:16] <willys_fueguino> Jowi: When I do a partition, some MBs are used...
[11:16] <adamonline45> PirateHead: Yeah, that makes sense :)  I think I'll do that...
[11:16] <sakobatoneko> a bugreport program poped up and left my screen blank just what i have in my desktop
[11:16] <Lord_Skummel> anyone useing beryl here?
[11:16] <Jowi> willys_fueguino, 1.3 gigabytes? not very likely...
[11:17] <PirateHead> zoom_: it ought to be doable, and there are probably tutorials online for it. I know there are tutorials to get the Damn Small Linux distro working from a USB drive.
[11:17] <morrolan> Lord_Skummel - I do sometimes, use it to show off, then turn it noff when I have work to do
[11:17] <dallingham> Can anyone give me an idea where to look for a solution to my NFS permission problem?
[11:17] <willys_fueguino> Jowi: yes that's true... and very odd :-S
[11:17] <eggs> alright so i finally got all my drivers installed correctly and im getting my glx to start and steam to start new problem; when i start a steam game i get a black screen; any suggestions?
[11:17] <_lister> morrolan, the wifi connection is great and i get 3Mb/s from it.  just what i expect.  if i move to where signal is poor it drops off, again what I expect (100k/s).  When I move back to the good signal, the speed does not pick up again.
[11:17] <PirateHead> zoom_: You'll definitely need to configure your computer's BIOS to try booting from USB before HDD.
[11:17] <Xaco> anyone else haveing a problem with the beryl settings?
[11:17] <andycap_> do I leave a spacebetween main restricted and universe mutliverse?
[11:17] <morrolan> Xaco, Beryl works fine for me
[11:18] <gnomefreak> Xaco: ask in #ubuntu-xgl please
[11:18] <morrolan> andycap_ yes you do
[11:18] <eggs> anyone have any steam black screen problems ?
[11:18] <willys_fueguino> Pelo: format the drive again and then tell us what happened...
[11:18] <zoom_> PirateHead: only this?
[11:18] <andycap_> :\ I did everything then
[11:18] <adamonline45> andycap_: I wouldn't use the script on this page, but it looks like a good resource for examples: http://www.arsgeek.com/?p=502
[11:18] <zoom_> PirateHead: install in USB from CD & this is all?
[11:18] <willys_fueguino> Jowi: It could be that that drive is damaged right??
[11:18] <rosalsazs> LjL: ah sorry my bad, i see
[11:18] <morrolan> if I use dm-crypt to encrypt my /home directory, will it cause problems?
[11:19] <Pelo> willys_fueguino,  this is not the first time I have had this,  I just decided to ask but I can do it again if you realy want to
[11:19] <vrilutza> what it's a comand to test maximu rate refersh with monitor and rezolution?
[11:19] <KennethP> When I access CLI via CTRL+ALT+F1 I can see I've got mail. How do I read this? (I can see that the good old 'mail' is no longer present)
[11:19] <rosalsazs> my typos a terrible anyhoo
[11:19] <Jowi> willys_fueguino, don't know.
[11:19] <PirateHead> zoom_: not necessarily.
[11:19] <_lister> morrolan, did you see my question?  sorry to bug u
[11:19] <Jowi> Pelo, you're sure you are looking at the correct partition on the correct disk when you say it's 1.3GB used?
[11:20] <andycap_> I just want to install TestDisk... I didn't think I would need to run through so many obstacles
[11:20] <eggs> hello?
[11:20] <Pelo> Jowi,  I said the question was noobish,  I didn'T say I was a noob
[11:20] <willys_fueguino> Pelo: That drive is in good conditions?? 'Cause I believe that maybe those 1.3 gigas are damaged sectors and it "looks" like they're used :-\
[11:20] <stephen_> i need help getting wireless to work on my labtop
[11:21] <stephen_> im running a bcm4306 wireless card
[11:21] <vrilutza> what it's a comand to test maximu rate refersh with monitor and rezolution?
[11:21] <Pelo> willys_fueguino, that might be a possibility
[11:21] <rosalsazs> LjL:  if i have edgy and i run apt-get dist-upgraded will that do anything
[11:21] <rosalsazs> upgrade my kernel?
[11:21] <PirateHead> zoom_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=71567
[11:21] <PirateHead> zoom_: the subject is discussed in detail there.
[11:21] <mcphail> andycap_: i have just followed the instructions and it works perfectly
[11:21] <willys_fueguino> Pelo: That's the posibility I think has more probabilities to be truth if you recently formated the drive
[11:22] <Pelo> willys_fueguino, do you know an app to check for bad sectors ?
[11:22] <andycap_> I am using the LiveCD, if that would make a difference
[11:22] <zoom_> PirateHead: I read
[11:22] <rosalsazs> or is it only for going to the next version of ubutnu (after edgey?)
[11:22] <blekos> hi guys
[11:22] <blekos> coudl xplain methis:
[11:22] <willys_fueguino> Pelo: what os are you using right now??
[11:22] <mcphail> andycap_: it shouldn't make a difference. I have used the livecd for this before
[11:22] <Pelo> willys_fueguino,  ubuntu 6.10
[11:22] <blekos> hello, i have a question  when i was booting with a splash screen & quite in kernel it took 2min & 10'' to load, when I removed this options it tooks 15secs to load y?
[11:22] <MementoMori> hello
[11:23] <bluefox83> !multimedia
[11:23] <ubotu> For multimedia codecs see: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html and for applications see this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[11:23] <_lister> Anyone?  My wifi connection is great and i get 3Mb/s from it.  just what i expect.  if i move to where signal is poor it drops off, again what I expect (100k/s).  When I move back to the good signal, the speed does not pick up again.  Ever.  If i drop connection and reconnect, speed returns.  Anyone have a clue?
[11:23] <blekos> has anyone xperienced the same thing?
[11:23] <andycap_> so just follow this example and I will be ableto find the testdisk package in Synaptic?
[11:23] <morrolan> Can anyone help me setup device mapper so I can use dm-crypt?
[11:23] <MementoMori> I have a strange problem with a bluetooth connection to my mobile phone
[11:23] <PirateHead> blekos: I don't know, but you might want to report that as a bug.
[11:23] <morrolan> _lister, what program/applet are you using to manage your connection?
[11:23] <mcphail> andycap_: no. this bypasses synaptic
[11:23] <blekos> whre could i do that?
[11:24] <Jowi> rosalsazs, the dist-upgrade will upgrade system critical files such as the kernel and libc. when you do a normal upgrade it can happen that some files are held back.
[11:24] <morrolan> Can anyone please help me setup device mapper so I can use dm-crypt?
[11:24] <MementoMori> i can create a connection, l2ping it but I cant get auth!
[11:24] <MementoMori> so I cant transfer files....
[11:24] <bluefox83> !avi
[11:24] <andycap_> wait, so if I have already done the instructions, how do I install this??
[11:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:24] <morrolan> MementoMori - are you setting your phone in listen mode?
[11:24] <_lister> I've tried using all the text files with wpasupplicant etc and /etc/interfaces and with gnome-network-manager, same thing
[11:24] <willys_fueguino> Pelo: fcsk -n /dev/hd?
[11:24] <EniGm0> hello
[11:25] <willys_fueguino> Pelo: try that
[11:25] <MementoMori> morrolan: yes.... I can see it if I do a hcitool scan
[11:25] <Jowi> rosalsazs, it will not upgrade to the next version of ubuntu unless you change some parameters in /etc/apt/sources.list (using apt-get to upgrade from version to version usually works, but is not recommended)
[11:25] <EniGm0> does anyone know how i can resize my font in console because it exceeds my screen most of the time
[11:25] <morrolan> MementoMori - set your phone into pairing mode, then type:  sudo hidd --search
[11:25] <javb> Hi people. I have an HP Pavillion dv2125nr (AMD x2 Turion) .. Ubuntu Edgy.. Everything working. But i have no headphone jack sense, nor mic nor integrated mic. If i plug  my headphones the laptop speakers should goes off.. but nothing... anyideas?
[11:25] <morrolan> EniGmO - you mean proper CLI or terminal?
[11:25] <LjL> rosalsazs: it will download updated packages from the Updates and Security repositories, if there are any and if you have them enabled
[11:25] <javb> My audio device is nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio
[11:25] <Pelo> thanks willys_fueguino  trying it now
[11:25] <LjL> Ubotu, tell rosalsazs about repositories | rosalsazs, see the private message from Ubotu
[11:25] <morrolan> EniGm0 - you mean proper CLI or terminal?
[11:25] <javb> Took it from command lspci
[11:25] <vrilutza> help pls
[11:25] <willys_fueguino> Pelo: ;-)
[11:25] <EniGm0> i mean console as tty1 to 6
[11:26] <mcphail> andycap_: if you followed the instructions exactly it is installed and ready to go with "sudo ./testdisk_static" as it says on the page
[11:26] <javb> Any ideas guys? (tired of googling :S)
[11:26] <willys_fueguino> well..
[11:26] <LjL> rosalsazs: you certainly *should* have them enabled (well, -security at least), and also make sure that you have them enabled for the Universe and Multiverse components, if you have those enabled
[11:26] <blurn> where do I find the package for open-sshd?
[11:26] <morrolan> EniGm0 - edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the current kernel line
[11:26] <willys_fueguino> enough irc today.. see you later
[11:26] <Pelo> willys_fueguino,  this is an unformated hdd at this point, should it need to be formated ?
[11:26] <vrilutza> how to teste my monitor crt with rate refresh and resolutin to maxim posibile
[11:26] <LjL> Ubotu, tell blurn about openssh-server | blurn, see the private message from Ubotu
[11:26] <morrolan> at the end it will say "quiet splash"
[11:26] <morrolan> add to the end:  vga=791
[11:26] <EniGm0> thx man
[11:27] <morrolan> you're welcome
[11:27] <blurn> Ljl the package isnt in my package list, I know what it is....
[11:27] <morrolan> EniGm0 -you will have to reboot to test obviously
[11:27] <morrolan> Can anyone please help me setup device mapper so I can use dm-crypt?
[11:27] <EniGm0> and morrolan: if i remove that quiet will it show the services that are starting up?
[11:28] <LjL> !openssh-server
[11:28] <ubotu> openssh-server: Secure shell server, an rshd replacement. In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.3p2-5ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 212 kB, installed size 552 kB
[11:28] <MementoMori> morrolan: I can only turn BT on/off, no pairing setup...... and, about visibility, only "to all" or "to none"
[11:28] <morrolan> EniGm0 - I think so, but I don't know if it will interfere with the graphical boot or not - it might just replace the graphical bootup
[11:28] <LjL> blurn: it says it's in main, so it's very surprising that you don't have it available. pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list please
[11:28] <EniGm0> i'll try and let u know
[11:28] <morrolan> MementoMori - what phone do you have?
[11:28] <MementoMori> so I think it is already in pair mode
[11:28] <shashi> watcha doin'?
[11:28] <rosalsazs> Jowi: ok the help.ubuntu.com made it sound like all it did was go from draper to edgey etc
[11:28] <MementoMori> lg l600v
[11:28] <rosalsazs> but i have seen the kernel update when usign it before
[11:28] <rosalsazs> :)
[11:29] <rosalsazs> thanks
[11:29] <shashi> wazup?
[11:29] <Jowi> rosalsazs, np
[11:29] <morrolan> MementoMori - can you use the phone with a headset?
[11:29] <shashi> notthin here
[11:29] <blurn> Ljl, I have no /etc/apt/sources, I just installed off the cd a bit ago
[11:29] <shashi> thanks for what
[11:29] <jsjc> how in the world now my ubuntu boots up and there is two windows manager going one on F7 and F9 the other one??? (how can i fix this?)
[11:29] <LjL> blurn: yes you do, but it's /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:29] <variant> are there any ubuntu softwares that _require_ dash instead of bash? i want to switch
[11:30] <shashi> we are friends  get it straight!
[11:30] <MementoMori> morrolan: dont know I dont have a headset...... I'd only want to transfer some files......
[11:30] <javb> ... people?
[11:30] <w1jrm> i am having an issue with my java on firefox
[11:30] <mcphail> variant: that shouldn't be a problem
[11:30] <shashi> what files are u talking?
[11:30] <w1jrm> i did the apt-get and all that for the new java
[11:30] <adamonline45> How do I list all users and their group, logged in or not, from the CLI?
[11:30] <morrolan> MemntoMori - have you installed gnome-bluetooth abd bluez-utils?
[11:30] <redemptateur> hello
[11:30] <variant> adamonline45: w
[11:30] <shashi> hi
[11:30] <w1jrm> but it still say the plug in is missing and i did assign firefox in jave as my default browser
[11:30] <variant> adamonline45: w or who
[11:31] <blurn>  deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe is that what i want LjL ?
[11:31] <shashi> i'm ur firend shashu
[11:31] <MementoMori> morrolan: am in kubuntu and all the bluez thing are installed
[11:31] <morrolan> ok
[11:31] <LjL> blurn: no, i want the whole file
[11:31] <LjL> !pastebin | blurn
[11:31] <ubotu> blurn: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:31] <shashi> whwt ile/
[11:31] <variant> mcphail: ok thanks
[11:31] <w1jrm> so can anyone help me
[11:31] <MementoMori> morrolan: can I paste you a konsole "work" session?
[11:31] <adamonline45> variant: How do I find out which group a user belongs to?
[11:31] <morrolan> in Gnome, you can right-click on a file and select "Send To..."
[11:31] <blurn> LjL, I know you want the whole file, I dont care to pastebin, I know what pastebin is also....
[11:31] <variant> mcphail: now I have somone to blame if it goes wrong :)
[11:32] <mcphail> variant: ;p
[11:32] <morrolan> ffrom there, I can choose OBEX/Bluetooth
[11:32] <adamonline45> variant: who only seems to show who's logged in...
[11:32] <shashi> so what do u mena abut the file?
[11:32] <variant> adamonline45: thats what you wanted?
[11:32] <shashi> what file do u want?
[11:32] <morrolan> MemntoMori - you can't paste it in here - do you know how to use a paste-bin?
[11:32] <vrilutza> I'm need help
[11:32] <LjL> blurn: then help yourself
[11:32] <dcordes> somebody has an answer to my bashscript question?
[11:32] <morrolan> !pastebin
[11:32] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:32] <shashi> paste what in there?
[11:33] <adamonline45> yes, I want to see a list of _all_ users and which group they belong to
[11:33] <g333k_work> hi, how can I enable my network device? I tried with #ifconfig eth0 up,  but didnt work, any clue?
[11:33] <shashi> do u want the  file?
[11:33] <vrilutza> how to teste my monitor crt to rate refresh and resolution to maxim posibile supporte monitor.
[11:33] <MementoMori> morrolan: watch here please: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3743/
[11:33] <redemptateur> I have a low record sound. In my control volume CMI8738-MC6, I ve try to check and uncheck mute and unmute everything but i've still have a low record sound... is anybody can help ?
[11:33] <variant> adamonline45: I don't know of any direct command, but you can combine it with grep and cat /etc/group to get the info you want
[11:33] <Jowi> adamonline45, all users and groups are in /etc/passwd and /etc/group
[11:33] <mcphail> adamonline45: look at /etc/passwd
[11:33] <adamonline45> Thank you all!
[11:33] <variant> redemptateur: apt-get install alsamixer
[11:33] <redemptateur> thx
[11:33] <variant> redemptateur: apt-get install alsamixergui
[11:33] <variant> redemptateur: then use that to set the record level
[11:34] <morrolan> MementoMori - read it
[11:34] <EniGm0> morrolan: vga=736 is considered an undefined mode number
[11:34] <MementoMori> morrolan: any idea'
[11:34] <MementoMori> ?
[11:34] <morrolan> EniGm0 - vga=791 I said
[11:34] <morrolan> 800x600x16 colours
[11:34] <EniGm0> eek
[11:34] <morrolan> standard
[11:34] <EniGm0> thats why :)
[11:34] <javb> no one reading me or no one has an idea of my prob ?
[11:34] <morrolan> lol
[11:34] <jsjc> anyone knows where the number of X sessions is controlled?? so I can fix my problem?
[11:34] <variant> adamonline45: users tend to belong to their own gropu.. as in variant in groups users and variant
[11:34] <variant> jsjc: what problem?
[11:35] <Jowi> morrolan, i though 791 was 1024x768...
[11:35] <morrolan> MementoMori - I have both my phone and a bluetooth mini keyboard configured and I've never seeked auth :(
[11:35] <concept10> jsjc, you mean the number of ttys?]
[11:35] <shashi> what question do u wnat to ask me?
[11:35] <variant> jsjc: there is no control over hte number of xsessions, to start a new session just specify the correct display (one thats not allready in use) and that doesnt mean a physical display.. it's a virtual or physical thing
[11:35] <adamonline45> variant: I see that now :)  I wasn't sure if I gave him a different group or not... ;)
[11:35] <shashi> whta is that?
[11:35] <Jowi> morrolan, 788 should be 600x600 16bit
[11:35] <rio> anyone here use azureus? im downloading something that is 9.97 GB.  So far, it's at 86.1%, but 15.92 GB has been downloaded so far.  Whats going on?
[11:35] <javb> Hi people. I have an HP Pavillion dv2125nr (AMD x2 Turion) .. Ubuntu Edgy.. Everything working. But i have no headphone jack sense, nor mic nor integrated mic. If i plug  my headphones the laptop speakers should goes off.. but nothing... anyideas?
[11:35] <dcordes> is there a way to define a certain command with a different user inside a script which is ran with sudo?
[11:35] <morrolan> !bluetooth
[11:35] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[11:36] <shashi> that 's bullshit u want me?
[11:36] <drx> can anyone help me add an LVM volume entry to FSTAB?
[11:36] <variant> rio: that is total transfer including upload
[11:36] <MementoMori> morrolan: thank you for your time anyway
[11:36] <shashi> what are u saying?
[11:36] <adamonline45> rio: did you accidentally download it twice, and the 88% is the total?
[11:36] <shashi> whatever
[11:36] <variant> rio: probably at least, it could be there were some corrupt chunks which it has re-downloaded
[11:36] <MementoMori> I'll read the doc you sent me
[11:36] <shashi> u are jealously
[11:37] <morrolan> MementoMori - I have an easy way to auth it
[11:37] <shashi> u did what did it say?
[11:37] <rio> variant so when it finally gets to 100%, it will delete the rest, correct?
[11:37] <ld50> when i press mute on my keyboard a image appears (showing that i have no sound), what program is responsible for showing this image, and how can i use it in kde for example?
[11:37] <variant> rio: it probably wont store the corrupt parts (if that is indeed what is going on)
[11:37] <jsjc> variant, when i boot up my system I get two X display ruunning and one of them runs XGL the other does not and I am getting a bit crazy
[11:37] <shashi> u are u
[11:37] <variant> jsjc: that sounds a bit wrong
[11:37] <rio> variant what are the other possibilities
[11:37] <Onimae> So, all of a sudden, I can't print using my Linux machine anymore. I have a printer attached to my Windows machine and am printing to it through samba, but ever since a few days ago it decided not to work.
[11:38] <Onimae> Anyone know of a way to fix this?
[11:38] <shashi> u are crazy for me.
[11:38] <jsjc> i want only one x display running
[11:38] <EniGm0> morrolan: deleting the "quiet" in the kernel line from /boot/grub/menu.lst shows the services starting up underneat the splash screen and nothing else changes
[11:38] <shashi> now u telll me?
[11:38] <jsjc> thats more than enough
[11:38] <variant> rio: what adamonline45 suggests is one, also that that is the total of uploads and downloads. not just downloads
[11:38] <morrolan> EniGm0 - what type of monitor are you using?
[11:38] <EniGm0> morrolan: and 791 works great thx!
[11:39] <EniGm0> morrolan: A philips 150s lcd
[11:39] <jadacyrus> what port does Remote Desktop use/
[11:39] <rio> variant oh thats what he meant...
[11:39] <Seveas> jadacyrus, windows remote desktop or vnc?
[11:39] <jadacyrus> vnc
[11:39] <morrolan> EniGm0 - I'll send you mine in a pastebin
[11:39] <rio> variant,adamonline45- cool, thanks!
[11:40] <shashi> who is that?
[11:40] <EniGm0> morrolan: it's okay now
[11:40] <boabsta_> jadacyrus, 5900 normally or 590n where n is the desktop number
[11:40] <Onimae> So, all of a sudden, I can't print using my Linux machine anymore. I have a printer attached to my Windows machine and am printing to it through samba, but ever since a few days ago it decided not to work.
[11:40] <Seveas> shashi, behave
[11:40] <jadacyrus> boabsta_: thx
[11:40] <EniGm0> morrolan: i just wanted to let u know that deleting that 'quiet' will show u the services starting up at boottime
[11:40] <adamonline45> rio yw
[11:40] <shashi> what?
[11:40] <variant> jadacyrus: 3389 by default
[11:40] <shashi> what hell?\
[11:41] <Seveas> variant, that's windows remote desktop, not vnc :)
[11:41] <sakobatoneko> i need help
[11:41] <squeaks> hey, my dmesg output reports it cannot find a kernel module, how can i find the complete path that it is looking for it at?
[11:41] <jadacyrus> so 5900 then?
[11:41] <variant> Seveas: thats what he wanted is it not?
[11:41] <Seveas> variant, no :)
[11:41] <shashi> in commmunity ceter
[11:41] <LjL> shashi: what are you rambling on about?
[11:41] <variant> shashi: do you have a question?
[11:41] <n2diy> I just installed kppp on my Dapper test box, and I'm getting a dcop error, can't create ~/.kde/share/apps/kppp/kppp.pid. Kppp.pid exsists, but what is weird, it doesn't exsist on my production box?
[11:41] <Seveas> squeaks, what's it looking for?
[11:41] <morrolan> EniGm0 - sorry, I misunderstood when you said nothing else changed!
[11:41] <boabsta_> shashi are you a bot?
[11:42] <squeaks> Seveas, " Firmware 'ipw2100-1.3.fw' not available or load failed."
[11:42] <variant> n2diy: you would be better of with wvdial..
[11:42] <shashi> what is that?
[11:42] <morrolan> EniGm0 - so that did what you wanted?
[11:42] <variant> shashi: never mind, he was just wondering why you were talking without saying anything
[11:42] <Seveas> !find ipw2100-1.3.fw
[11:42] <LjL> n2diy, seems the directory doesn't have the right permissions, to me
[11:42] <EniGm0> morrolan: yes thanks, i can see more now when i do ps aux, still not everything, but more :)
[11:42] <ubotu> File ipw2100-1.3.fw found in linux-image-2.6.17-10-386, linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic, linux-image-2.6.17-10-server, linux-image-2.6.17-10-server-bigiron, xen-image-xen0-2.6.17-6-bigiron-xen0 (and 2 others)
[11:42] <Seveas> variant, that's nice way to put it :)
[11:42] <shashi> what file are u talking abut?
[11:42] <variant> Seveas: I thought so
[11:42] <variant> :)
[11:43] <EniGm0> morrolan: or is it also possible to make the lines split?
[11:43] <morrolan> I told you the wrong mode btw but it will work fine - 791 is 1024x768x64k colours
[11:43] <LjL> n2diy: it's probably a file that's only created while kppp is running, and then deleted (like a lock file). but if it can't write to the directory, it can't create the file.
[11:43] <morrolan> Enigm0 what do you mean?
[11:43] <Seveas> squeaks, try reinstalling the kernel image package
[11:43] <grodius> Hi, I need help. Im trying to install the JDK and I have a .bin file. How do I install it?
[11:43] <frogzoo> n2diy: ls -ld ~
[11:43] <Seveas> !java | grodius
[11:43] <ubotu> grodius: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[11:43] <nikitis> i need help with java.   I've installed sun-java6-jre via synaptic.  But it did not install the Firefox Java plugin.  What must I do for this?
[11:43] <variant> grodius: there are supported ways to install java jdk, via apt. you can use the sun .bin file if you want but it's not as easy
[11:43] <shashi> what is that?
[11:43] <EniGm0> morrolan: when i do ps aux; some lines go out of the screen, so i cant see the end, and they don't split and go on on the next line. Is there a way to do that?
[11:43] <squeaks> Seveas, it's a custom kernel that i installed, so i'm looking and there is no /lib/firmware/2.6.19* for my kernel
[11:43] <Seveas> nikitis, you need sun-java6-plugin
[11:44] <shashi> u are crazy
[11:44] <jamesbrose1> I'm getting the error "  WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!" when trying to connect to my test server box via ssh, can anybody help me ?
[11:44] <n2diy> LjL: roger, that would explain why it doesn't exsist on the other box.
[11:44] <Seveas> squeaks, then it's your problem
[11:44] <shashi> are u married?
[11:44] <nikitis> Seveas, oh thanks i'll brb
[11:44] <Seveas> jamesbrose1, did you reinstall ubuntu or reinstall ssh on that machine
[11:44] <Seveas> ?
[11:44] <variant> jamesbrose1: that means that you have uninsstalled or deleted the ssh config file on the server
[11:44] <variant> jamesbrose1: and it has generated a new public/private key pair
[11:44] <squeaks> Seveas, i want to make a symbolic link for my new kernel that links to /lib/firmware/2.6.17-10-generic, but i'm not sure what to call the link
[11:44] <morrolan> EniGm0 - I don't know I'm afraid - look here for more mode numbers:  http://jsdl.sourceforge.net/docs/howto_console.html
[11:44] <jamesbrose1> variant, any way I can fix this?
[11:44] <Jowi> jamesbrose1, delete $HOME/.ssh/known_hosts and try again
[11:45] <variant> jamesbrose1: just delete the key from your ~/.ssh directory
[11:45] <Seveas> squeaks, that probably won't work
[11:45] <variant> jamesbrose1: then reconnect
[11:45] <n2diy> frogzoo: that just lists my home dir, and nothing else.
[11:45] <EniGm0> thank you!
[11:45] <squeaks> just copying the module then to some directory from the existing kernel?
[11:45] <Seveas> jamesbrose1, variant: PLEASE don't give insecure advise
[11:45] <squeaks> Seveas, what should i do?
[11:45] <Seveas> squeaks, read a kernel compilation manual and figure out how to put the firmware in the correct place
[11:45] <LjL> n2diy: do it for that directory that kppp.pid is supposed to reside in (if that's what you were talking about), and compare it with your other box
[11:45] <jamesbrose1> Seveas, what would be secure?
[11:45] <squeaks> k, thanks
[11:45] <dcordes> can't somebody help?
[11:45] <frogzoo> n2diy: wrong command  "ls -ld ~"
[11:45] <LjL> n2diy: if the permissions are different, well...
[11:46] <Psy-X> ?
[11:46] <ArtificialSynaps> Go Ubuntu!!!
[11:46] <MementoMori> morrolan: I have to tell you all the truth... the mobile phone isnt mine..... it's my sister phone... I'll suggest her to buy a better one next time..... I gave up with it :D
[11:46] <LjL> dcordes: you want to run one command as a different user?
[11:46] <Onimae> So, all of a sudden, I can't print using my Linux machine anymore. I have a printer attached to my Windows machine and am printing to it through samba, but ever since a few days ago it decided not to work.
[11:46] <Seveas> jamesbrose1, if host identification changes, always check whether ssh has really been reinstalled
[11:46] <variant> jamesbrose1: delete ~/.ssh/known_hosts
[11:46] <ld50> is this volume thing specific to ubuntu or is it a gnome thing? -> http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5527/35838059bs2.png
[11:46] <frogzoo> n2diy: do you have write & execute permissions is the point?
[11:46] <dcordes> LjL: yes
[11:46] <jadacyrus> im trying to access my router via links, but there is no username  only a password,how do i specifiy this in links?
[11:46] <morrolan> MementoMori -best way!  Tell her to get an Ericsson :)
[11:46] <jamesbrose1> variant, Ok, thanks it worked :)
[11:46] <variant> Seveas: yeah, i guess security dictates that :)
[11:46] <Seveas> jamesbrose1, if it is reinstalled, then it's safe to remove that file and reconnect
[11:46] <riddlebox> does anyone know if it is possible to download a .src.rpm and convert it to a .deb and install it?
[11:46] <LjL> dcordes: sudo -u <user> <command> -- see also "man sudo"
[11:46] <dcordes> LjL: inside my bash script which is ran as root
[11:46] <variant> jamesbrose1: just make sure your connecting to the right server ;)
[11:46] <morrolan> riddlebox - it should be yes
[11:47] <Seveas> riddlebox, rpms are from the dark side of linux. We use deb
[11:47] <pierrelourens> does AIGLX / Beryl work in current parallels
[11:47] <LjL> dcordes: if the script's run as root, then you can use "su" as well
[11:47] <morrolan> riddlebox sudo apt-get install alien
[11:47] <jamesbrose1> Yeah I am, variant, and its internel anyway :)
[11:47] <MementoMori> morrolan: I really prefer nokia..... I never had an ericsson
[11:47] <morrolan> or look it up online first
[11:47] <Seveas> morrolan, that won't work
[11:47] <n2diy> frogzoo: on the file yes, but not for ~/.kde
[11:47] <javb> :/
[11:47] <Seveas> he asks about .src.rpm, not .rpm
[11:47] <variant> riddlebox: thats just packaged source code, your better off downloading the source code in a normal archive format
[11:47] <dcordes> LjL: ok so i just switch to to that user inside the script before i run the coomand?
[11:47] <riddlebox> variant, the source only comes in a .src.rpm
[11:47] <frogzoo> n2diy: chmod 700 ~/.kde
[11:47] <arron> Is there anyway to use windows screensavers in linux?
[11:47] <variant> riddlebox: no .tar.gz or .tar.bz2?
[11:48] <LjL> dcordes: with sudo, you don't switch, you just prefix "sudo -u <user>" to the command itself
[11:48] <daviey> how come ubuntu doesn't have a "asterisk-addons" module???
[11:48] <morrolan> arron - no
[11:48] <variant> riddlebox: you can install rpm if you want
[11:48] <variant> riddlebox: apt-get install rpm
[11:48] <riddlebox> variant, http://www.qmailtoaster.com/
[11:48] <arron> :(
[11:48] <arron> ok
[11:48] <Seveas> arron, with wine you can crate a kludge but it's not pretty :)
[11:48] <dcordes> LjL: great- that's just what i'm looking for. thanks a lot
[11:48] <variant> riddlebox: don't use it to install software though, just extract the source and compile normally
[11:48] <arron> ok never mind then
[11:48] <arron> just wondering
[11:48] <morrolan> arron - no problem.  The linux ones are better anyway
[11:48] <jadacyrus> im trying to access my router via links, but there is no username  only a password,how do i specifiy this in links?
[11:48] <arron> i know :D
[11:49] <riddlebox> variant, I can install rpm to do the conversion to create an rpm then use alien to convert it to a deb package then?
[11:49] <arron> just that alot of them are openGL and the ati drivers don't work on my card :(
[11:49] <variant> riddlebox: no.. the src.rpm contains source code. you will have to compile it either way
[11:49] <variant> arron: what card do you have?
[11:50] <jadacyrus> is there a way to change what port VNC server runs on?
[11:50] <riddlebox> variant, yeah, can I use rpm to create the package from the source package
[11:50] <arron> variant: Ati Radeon 9550
[11:50] <variant> arron: you should be able to use the Libre drivers (lucky for you)
[11:50] <arron> what are they?
[11:50] <arron> and how do i get them
[11:51] <grodius> Whats the best IDE for java in linux
[11:51] <variant> riddlebox: no, you have to extract the source code and compile it, then you can make a deb if you like but it's basically allready installed
[11:51] <variant> arron: it should be pre installed if your card is supported
[11:51] <variant> arron: do glxinfo | grep direct
[11:51] <riddlebox> variant, ohh I see
[11:51] <variant> arron: if it says direct rendering yes then you already have the drivers installed and working
[11:52] <variant> arron: if it says no then you have some work to do
[11:52] <arron> says no
[11:52] <arron> :(
[11:52] <variant> arron: DOH!
[11:52] <arron> variant: what do i have to do
[11:52] <variant> arron: could be complicated ish
[11:52] <wonderpoop> how come when i install kubuntu i can't open limewire?
[11:52] <arron> :'(
[11:52] <dcordes> LjL: how can i make my script automatically give a passowrd instead of me when i'm asked for one?
[11:52] <variant> arron: And I am trying to shave at the same time so gimmie a few mins
[11:52] <arron> lol, ok
[11:54] <devin_> need some help with dapper-edgy upgrade. when i got finished upgrading it rebooted, but am unable to load kdm, heres what my system log says http://pastebin.com/873142
[11:54] <redemptateur> variant : I ve installed the alsa mixer but it still doesn't work
[11:54] <LjL> dcordes: if it's run as root, it shouldn't ask for a password after
[11:55] <variant> devin_: thats very nasty looking
[11:55] <wonderpoop> any1?
[11:55] <devin_> variant i know
[11:55] <devin_> thinking i should have kept dapper
[11:55] <dcordes> LjL: the script mounts a sshfs from a remote host which requires me to type the remote account's pass
[11:56] <variant> devin_: I reccomend you reboot to the live cd and run the memtest utility as it looks (from that error message at least) like you have a bad ram stick. I have never seen that one in X before so i could well be wrong.
[11:56] <variant> devin_: if it's bad ram then it's not edgys fault
[11:56] <variant> devin_: try installing gdm instead and see if that works
[11:57] <LjL> dcordes: oh. well, that's harder i guess... besides, hardcoding a password in a script is generally far from a good idea, you know! isn't there some mount option for sshfs to use a password specified in a separate file? for samba you can do that
[11:57] <variant> LjL: I am sure you could use key based authentication
[11:57] <devin_> variant tried gdm earlier it works but i get this theme error everytime it loads
[11:58] <dcordes> LjL: is there any difference between hardcoding it in the script itself or in a seperate file`?
[11:58] <variant> devin_: remove kdm and reinstall.. delete the config file and try a new one.. I dunno. .just gonna have to try a few things
[11:58] <dcordes> LjL: i mean from the security POV
[11:58] <arron> variant: you finished shaving yet?
[11:58] <variant> devin_: really try memtestx86 as that will pick up any memory faults (you should let it run for days though so it can fully test everything)
[11:58] <devin_> variant alright, ill shall return
[11:59] <variant> arron: no, keep putting the shaver down :)
[11:59] <redemptateur> variant : i ve try to modify my sound properties with the ALSA mixer like you said to me but i ve still a low record sound
[11:59] <arron> lol well i really need to know how to get these drivers :)
[11:59] <Lars_G> ehem. HELP :), I want to install the new libxine, but I tried a unstable deb and of course it failed on dependencies. trouble is, now if I do any apt-get it still wants to install it. and if I do apt-get -f install it will try to remove my current xine and all dependents (like amarok)... any way to make apt forget about libxine for now withotu removing my current one?
[11:59] <mzuverink> what command do i need to chmod my /media/WD Passort external hd to make it readable and writable by all system users?
[11:59] <LjL> dcordes: well, you can make the separate file only readable for root, for starters (you can do that with the script, too, i guess, but a script is generally more at risk of being left with the wrong permissions that a separate file). but anyway, i didn't focus on "SSH" -- as variant said, one of the main points of SSH is key based authentication, so you really should use that. i found it a headache to set up, but... :o)
[11:59] <jadacyrus> is there a way to change what port VNC server runs on?
[12:00] <riddlebox> variant, if I install these custom packages, will ubuntu have a problem or even try to upgrade them?
[12:00] <variant> jadacyrus: surely yes
[12:00] <eck090> hey what is the command to create new users in shell?
[12:00] <riddlebox> add user
[12:00] <riddlebox> or user add
[12:00] <jadacyrus> vajriant: do you know where to do thi?
[12:00] <drx> can anyone please tell me how to mount a /dev/sdb device?
[12:01] <flint-dude> Hello ubuntu
[12:01] <riddlebox> eck090, useradd