[12:10] <enzo_> same error
[12:10] <enzo_> dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:10] <enzo_> ?
[12:10] <lupine_85> probably best
[12:10] <h3sp4wn> try installing nvidia-xconfig
[12:10] <lupine_85> I don't get what's up with these drivers recently
[12:11] <h3sp4wn> it has never failed for me (in my brief stint of using nvidia)
[12:11] <enzo_> do I want nv or nvidia X server driver?
[12:11] <lupine_85> try nvidia first
[12:11] <lupine_85> if that doesn't work, nv
[12:11] <Anna> Is there a German here who can tell me what combination of keys I have to press to get the @ symbol and [] ? I'm getting tired of switching keyboard layout every time...
[12:11] <cpk2> is ati not the hassle it used to be now?
[12:11] <lupine_85> tried #ubuntu-de ?
[12:11] <lupine_85> cpk2: never used ATI
[12:12] <Anna> oh, didn't know there's a ubuntu-de, thanks
[12:12] <cpk2> yeah but h3sp4wn said he hardly uses nvidia so i was curious
[12:12] <h3sp4wn> I am using ati 9250 now (free drivers - don't want a tainted kernel really)
[12:12] <enzo_> h3sp4wn, IT WORKS!!!
[12:12] <lotusleaf> cpk2: probably not as good as nvidia IMO but since the news of AMD acquiring ATI, it should be interesting to see what progresses in the next year
[12:13] <h3sp4wn> enzo_: What did nvidia-xconfig ?
[12:13] <lupine_85> bwahahaha
[12:13] <lupine_85> yes, if AMD get ATi in order, I will be most happy
[12:13] <royal> how do you install Wine off of a jump drive? (gateway linux computer has no internet access... only the windows computer has access and i'm using it)
[12:13] <h3sp4wn> Next machine will probably use intel onboard graphics
[12:13] <lotusleaf> royal: #winehq
[12:13] <cpk2> i've always understood nvidia to be for the gamer and ati to have all those tv out doohickies and whatnot
[12:14] <cpk2> and tv ins
[12:14] <enzo_> ok
[12:14] <royal> k
[12:14] <enzo_> so everything is installed, but not the way I had it
[12:14] <cpk2> well enzo_ that took way longer than it had to i guess hehe
[12:14] <enzo_> no wonder, I'm under root
[12:15] <DralaFi> anyone have the intel 915GM chipset with onboard intel grafix card? any way to increase video memory?
[12:15] <enzo_> well worth the knowledge, I'll say that much
[12:15] <h3sp4wn> DralaFi: The bios
[12:15] <DralaFi> i get no options in the bios
[12:15] <h3sp4wn> No then
[12:15] <DralaFi> it's supposed to be some sort of dynamic shared mem
[12:16] <DralaFi> afaik the windows driver can alloc 8MB to 128MB of system ram as needed.
[12:16] <h3sp4wn> Are you using the free drivers (with the cvs mesa ?)
[12:16] <DralaFi> however it seems in kubuntu, I only ever get 8MB from the card
[12:17] <DralaFi> h3sp4wn, I have no idea. How would I go about checking?
[12:18] <h3sp4wn> DralaFi: Can you specify the amount of video memory explicitly in sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:18] <DralaFi> using I810 driver
[12:19] <draik> Feels good to be back
[12:20] <draik> AND THE SCREENSAVER WORKS!!!!!!!!!!
[12:20] <h3sp4wn> DralaFi: glxinfo | grep direct
[12:20] <draik> h3sp4wn, your advice/suggestion was perfect
[12:20] <DralaFi> can i run that reconfigure xserver-xorg while x is running?
[12:21] <draik> cpk2, lupine_85, thank you for your help
[12:21] <lupine_85> yes, but it won't take effect 'til you restart X
[12:21] <lupine_85> np :)
[12:21] <DralaFi> thanks
[12:21] <draik> lupine_85, maybe not for you, but for me it was
[12:21] <coreymon77> guys
[12:21] <coreymon77> hi
[12:22] <coreymon77> ive tried everything that was said on the sound wiki page on the ubuntu website
[12:22] <coreymon77> nothing has worked
[12:22] <coreymon77> can someone please help me
[12:22] <DralaFi> h3sp4wn, I set VideoRam        65536 but not sure it is doing anything about it
[12:23] <srdjant> h3sp4wn: direct rendering: Yes
[12:24] <coreymon77> can anyone help me please?
[12:24] <DralaFi> coreymon77, what's the problem/
[12:25] <coreymon77> my sound wont work
[12:25] <coreymon77> ive tried everything on the ubuntu wiki site
[12:25] <coreymon77> nothing has worked
[12:25] <jpiccolo> what kind of sound card?
[12:25] <coreymon77> i want sound
[12:25] <DralaFi> so when you use sound, what happens?
[12:25] <coreymon77> sblive
[12:25] <coreymon77> nothing
[12:26] <DralaFi> lsmod | grep emu10k
[12:26] <coreymon77> i have the basic sblive card that comes with dell computers
[12:26] <coreymon77> do i need root for that?
[12:26] <Hawkwind> No
[12:27] <coreymon77> okay
[12:27] <coreymon77> it gave me a bunch of text
[12:27] <coreymon77> now what
[12:27] <Hawkwind> Put it into pastebin
[12:27] <coreymon77> should it work now?
[12:28] <Galathalion> whats a pastebin?
[12:28] <Hawkwind> !paste
[12:28] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:28] <DralaFi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastebin
[12:29] <Galathalion> i c
[12:29] <DralaTop> ok i'm going to test the gfx memory
[12:29] <DralaTop> also don't i need to tell kernel  mem=<actual size - memory i want for gfx>  ?
[12:30] <coreymon77> okay
[12:30] <coreymon77> its there
[12:30] <DralaTop> coreymon77: you need to paste in here the URL of the paste results
[12:30] <h3sp4wn> DralaFi: I don't think so - I thought that intel graphics were not supported well until edgy (because the free drivers were in and working properly then)
[12:30] <coreymon77> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23379
[12:31] <DralaTop> well i'm totally not sure about this graphics issue...
[12:32] <coreymon77> so?
[12:32] <coreymon77> any clue?
[12:32] <DralaTop> coreymon77: sound should be ok. make sure you unmute all the sound channels and turn up the sound
[12:32] <coreymon77> do you mean
[12:32] <coreymon77> go into kmix
[12:32] <DralaFi> yes
[12:33] <coreymon77> and turn every single dial up?
[12:33] <DralaFi> yes
[12:33] <coreymon77> every dial in the output and input tabs
[12:33] <DralaFi> but also make sure its unmuted
[12:34] <coreymon77> and press the green button
[12:34] <coreymon77> s
[12:34] <coreymon77> in both  tabs
[12:34] <DralaFi> they should be bright green, not dark green
[12:34] <coreymon77> on the output tab
[12:34] <DralaTop> brb
[12:34] <coreymon77> i mean the input tab
[12:34] <coreymon77> there are red buttons too
[12:35] <coreymon77> should i make those bright too?
[12:35] <DralaFi> red = record
[12:35] <DralaFi> not needed
[12:35] <coreymon77> so just turn all the dials up and make sure all green buttons are light
[12:35] <DralaFi> yes
[12:36] <coreymon77> what about on the switches tab
[12:36] <coreymon77> there are yellow and red lights
[12:36] <coreymon77> no dials
[12:37] <coreymon77> should i touch those?
[12:37] <DralaFi> not required
[12:37] <coreymon77> there is a switch that says sblive analog/digital with a yello light on top
[12:37] <coreymon77> turn that on?
[12:38] <DralaFi> no idea
[12:38] <DralaFi> can try
[12:40] <coreymon77> YES!!!!
[12:40] <coreymon77> YES!!!!
[12:40] <coreymon77> YES!!!!
[12:40] <coreymon77> YES!!!!
[12:40] <coreymon77> i have been trying for weeks to get that working
[12:40] <cpk2> no?
[12:40] <coreymon77> thanks alot!
[12:40] <PrinceKid> Hello, i've just now installed Kubuntu. I need a good firewall, any idea ?
[12:40] <Hawkwind> !firewall
[12:40] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed with iptables (in the command line) or firestarter (gui, can also setup connection sharing)
[12:40] <h3sp4wn> PrinceKid: Why do you need a firewall ?
[12:41] <coreymon77> ya
[12:41] <coreymon77> this is linux
[12:41] <cpk2> PrinceKid: you shouldnt need firewall or av
[12:41] <lupine_85> lol
[12:41] <cpk2> unless maybe you are a mail server you might need av to scan mail going through you
[12:41] <coreymon77> its not lioke windoxe where everyhting you do bogs down your comp with viruses and spyware
[12:41] <lupine_85> PrinceKid: if you want a firewall, you'd use iptables
[12:42] <lupine_85> however, ubuntu starts no services by default, so there's not much point
[12:42] <DralaFi> yes but some people run services
[12:42] <PrinceKid> i'm beginner in using Linux.
[12:42] <lotusleaf> and some services run people!
[12:43] <DralaFi> what about hostile *outgoing* connections?
[12:43] <cpk2> lotusleaf: O.o
[12:43] <h3sp4wn> Why would there be hostile outgoing connections ?
[12:43] <DralaFi> trojans, viruses, worms
[12:43] <PrinceKid> So, i don't need firewall to protect my pc ? ...
[12:44] <cpk2> how in the hell would you have a trojan and not notice it
[12:44] <lotusleaf> DralaFi: don't install random .deb files from random websites
[12:44] <lupine_85> DralaFL: there aren't that many for Ubuntu
[12:44] <lupine_85>  /linux
[12:44] <DralaFi> cpk2, rootkit
[12:44] <lupine_85> the occasional rootkit... it's not a big deal
[12:44] <Vanique> ojaciee
[12:44] <lupine_85> unless you're a complete idiot, of course ;)
[12:45] <h3sp4wn> How could a rootkit be installed if your system is upto date - and you don't run X as root - it is highly unlikely
[12:45] <lupine_85> h3sp4wn: .deb files are installed as root...
[12:45] <lupine_85> so malicious .deb files are the most likely route
[12:45] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: I don't install random .deb files
[12:46] <lupine_85> indeed, but (playing the devil's advocate here), what if someone hax0rs the ubuntu archive servers? ;)
[12:46] <speedghost> selam
[12:46] <speedghost> trk varm
[12:46] <lupine_85> "oooh, there's an update for X..."
[12:46] <cpk2> lets hope you dont use apt-get that day
[12:47] <lupine_85> I'm with h3sp4wn in that it's not really an issue
[12:47] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: And re adds a new checksum for the dapper archive ? I think it would be noticed before that happened
[12:47] <lupine_85> just something to keep in the back of your mind
[12:47] <lupine_85> I agree, it's unlikely
[12:47] <lotusleaf> there are plenty of unofficial repos
[12:48] <lotusleaf> and many newbies don't know the difference
[12:48] <DralaFi> its easy to have buffer overflows in programs
[12:48] <cpk2> i dont think even the plf could have something that bad happen to them
[12:49] <DralaFi> very easy
[12:49] <Creedence> afternoon everyone....
[12:49] <DralaFi> even talk of insecure wifi drivers in the linux kernel...
[12:49] <lupine_85> DralaFi: yes, but buffer overflows are only relevant if the service is running (which by default they aren't)
[12:49] <DralaFi> kernel is running
[12:50] <DralaFi> what if you have a buffer overflow in the kernel in net/tcp/* code?
[12:50] <lupine_85> and as for insecure wlan drivers - that's cross-platform, and TBH there's not much that can be done atm. We can just be thankful that there aren't any easy exploits around
[12:50] <DralaFi> whoops... you just get a random tcp packet that's crafted with a payload and whoops
[12:50] <lupine_85> DralaFi: the linux tcp stack is well-written
[12:50] <DralaFi> i know
[12:50] <DralaFi> just used as an example :)
[12:50] <lupine_85> any vulnerabilities like that are fixed *very quickly*
[12:51] <lupine_85> too quickly for them to become useful to /some random hacker/
[12:51] <lupine_85> TBH, it could be argued that the firewall is more likely to be exploitable than anything else on a standard ubuntu install
[12:51] <DralaFi> yes but why does my kubuntu use an older kernel?
[12:52] <lupine_85> it doesn't matter
[12:52] <lupine_85> seriously, it doesn't mater
[12:52] <DralaFi> you really need multi-tier security
[12:52] <lupine_85> people still use 2.2.x and it's perfectly secure
[12:52] <DralaFi> yes but for a different reason?
[12:52] <DralaFi> 2.2.x doesn't have new code
[12:52] <Mater> [01:01]  <lupine_85> seriously, it doesn't mater
[12:52] <DralaFi> new code = potential vulnerabilities
[12:53] <lupine_85> so you complain when you get new code, and complain when you get old code...
[12:53] <lupine_85> what's left?
[12:53] <lupine_85> no system is unhackable, in theory
[12:53] <Vanique> NthDegree: alive ?
[12:54] <lupine_85> in practice, a standard ubuntu install is as secure as it needs to be, given the current computer world situation
[12:54] <dcode> is there documentation for netbooting kubuntu installation on ppc?
[12:54] <NthDegree> yes
[12:54] <dcode> all I see on kubuntu.com is for user guides
[12:55] <dcode> can anyone tell me where I can find the documentation for netbooting kubuntu installation?
[12:55] <Vanique> give me tha link to your blog man
[12:55] <Vanique> i lost it
[12:55] <sorush20> but when I try to install the libfam0 package most of other packages are removed for some reason including adept
[12:57] <Telroth_Plushie|> kilrae, doesn't count if it's not 1) turned on nor 2) connected to the internet
[12:57] <kilrae> shucks
[12:57] <dcode> kilrae: it does count if someone can steal the computer
[12:58] <kilrae> how about an empty case?
[12:58] <NthDegree> LMFAO
[12:58] <dcode> umm....well then it can't rightly compute much
[12:58] <dcode> but you could make it your honey pot
[12:58] <dcode> :D
[12:58] <kilrae> i'll string some abacus beads through it
[12:58] <dcode> lol
[12:58] <kilrae> it's actually a liquor cabinet
[12:58] <dcode> bonus
[12:59] <kilrae> i store small bottles in the drive bays
[12:59] <chris449> hi, my wireless card doesnt' work. It's a belkin 802.11g F5D7000, and is supposed to work on the madwifi drivers. atm it's disabled because it causes ubuntu boot to hang on "configuring network devices" if enabled. The suggestion on the madwifi site is to reinstall linux-restriced-modules. But this would mean deleting the nvidia drivers in the process, and i'm using xgl. what should i do to get my wireless working?
[01:00] <grout_> does automatix work with kubuntu or just ubuntu?
[01:00] <lupine_85> automatix doesn't work with anything ;)
[01:01] <grout_> well does easy ubuntu work with kubuntu?
[01:01] <Telroth_Plushie|> grout_, ubuntu is the same as kubuntu, except for the default packages
[01:01] <Telroth_Plushie|> they work find together
[01:01] <Telroth_Plushie|> *fine
[01:01] <grout_> ok thanks
[01:02] <Telroth_Plushie|> kubuntu has KDE packages installed, ubuntu has gnome installed
[01:02] <Telroth_Plushie|> other than that, they are the same
[01:03] <imbrandon> heya sorush20 ;)
[01:03] <sorush20> imbrandon: i'm there..
[01:04] <sorush20> hi so why does installation of libfam0 try to remove a hell of a lot of other packages including adept etc.. ?
[01:04] <sorush20> that is compeletely dumb
[01:04] <imbrandon> grout_, yes easyubuntu support kubuntu
[01:04] <imbrandon> sorush20, it shouldent
[01:05] <imbrandon> sorush20, just install the -dev packages the other will get installed when you install the amarok deb if needed
[01:05] <obf213> !root > obf213
[01:05] <imbrandon> sorush20, want the fast track to compile it with the options you want ?
[01:05] <imbrandon> ( i can cut alot of the steps out for you )
[01:06] <obf213> i am confused about root. i tried to set up my pritner using the local host it asked my the root user and password, being as i have one user i enterd my username and password and it said i dont have priveledges
[01:06] <obf213> do i have to set up some other account?
[01:06] <sorush20> imbrandon: yes it possible.. I'm just trying to contrib back by a back trace for my problem..
[01:06] <imbrandon> obf213, it askes you hte user password
[01:06] <sorush20> here is what I get
[01:06] <sorush20> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23382
[01:07] <sorush20> the same for the fam package
[01:07] <imbrandon> no no
[01:07] <imbrandon> dont do that
[01:07] <imbrandon> i said libfam0
[01:08] <imbrandon> what is your probelm for a backtrace ?
[01:08] <sorush20> imbrandon: see for your self http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23383
[01:08] <imbrandon> ok dont do that either then
[01:09] <sorush20> just that crossfade with a usb device gives xine can not find driver on song change.. alsa
[01:09] <obf213> do you have to set up a cups account somehow?
[01:09] <imbrandon> meet me in #imbrandon , i'll help you compile it the correct way to fix that
[01:09] <Telroth_Plushie|> obf213, no
[01:09] <imbrandon> obf213, no
[01:10] <obf213> i guess you have to now
[01:10] <swamptu> i was messing with xgl/compiz and now i get "KDEInit could not launch 'cgwd'.:" at startup.....how do i make that go away?
[01:11] <Telroth_Plushie|> obf213, no, you don't
[01:12] <obf213> im trying to delete a printerl it asks me for a my user name and password for CUPS ast localhost.631
[01:12] <obf213> i put in my user name and passowerd, adn it just prompts me again.
[01:14] <Telroth_Plushie|> obf213, did you click the "adminstrator mode" button at the bottom ?
[01:14] <obf213> its a web interface
[01:14] <obf213> it must be different then
[01:15] <Creedence> obf213 I think you need to be root to run CUPS from localhost:631
[01:16] <Creedence> try going to system settings -> printers
[01:16] <Creedence> then you will have the admin button
[01:16] <tpelton> hi all
[01:16] <tpelton> wondering if anyone knows
[01:16] <Creedence> hey there
[01:16] <tpelton> when i install linux-k7-smp kernel
[01:16] <tpelton> then nvidia-glx
[01:16] <tpelton> driver only works
[01:17] <tpelton> with one of the two bootable kernels
[01:17] <jpiccolo> i would i see what is keeping me from unmounting a cd
[01:17] <tpelton> the "earlier" one
[01:17] <jpiccolo> how*
[01:17] <tpelton> any thoughts ?
[01:17] <tpelton> seems like it only installs the modules
[01:17] <tpelton> for one of the kernels
[01:19] <tpelton> any thoughts ?
[01:20] <naegling23> has anyone had any luck with libmtp?
[01:20] <tpelton> anyone have any thoughts on nvidia-glx and multiple kernels ?
[01:21] <Creedence> tpelton, I have to be honest... I can't get it to work on one kernal!
[01:21] <cpk2> you can have as many kernels as you want
[01:21] <tpelton> creedence, ok ... drat
[01:21] <tpelton> yeah
[01:21] <tpelton> i install linux-k7-smp
[01:21] <cpk2> its actually better to have about 2 other ones besides the one you are using
[01:21] <cpk2> just incase something bad happens
[01:21] <tpelton> this brings down (2) kernels
[01:21] <tpelton> so far, so good
[01:22] <tpelton> but nvidia-glx
[01:22] <tpelton> only works for one of them
[01:22] <tpelton> the "earlier" one
[01:22] <tpelton> i want to run the "older" one, because presumable, it has patches
[01:23] <excitatory> i don't suppose anyone know where to get an aotuv oggenc deb?  i'm having a very hard time compiling it myself.
[01:24] <tpelton> argh ... i can't find anything about this issue on the 'net or on forums
[01:24] <tpelton> kind of annoying
[01:24] <tpelton> oh well
[01:26] <obf213> wht does it mean when something cant open pidfile
[01:26] <obf213> can't open or create /var/run/hplip/hpiod.pid: No such file or directory io/hpiod/hpiod.cpp 195
[01:27] <obf213> what does that mean
[01:27] <host-one>
[01:28] <tpelton> .pid files are usually files that store the process if of something
[01:28] <obf213> ok.
[01:28] <obf213> so i typed in a command and it send that error
[01:28] <BonBonTheJon> what command
[01:28] <obf213> and i checked that file is missing, any ideas as to how i get it, if adept says i have the packet
[01:28] <obf213> hpiod
[01:28] <tpelton> so for instance, a "thing" can store it's own pid when it starts, and then "kill" itself with the pid
[01:29] <obf213> tpelton, so would the /var/run/ file exist it the printer was on or something
[01:30] <Feclar> Hi, I am trying to install Kubuntu however during the install process I can not load the X server (even in safe video mode) because it is out of sync, and I can not edit xorg.conf because its on a Cd
[01:33] <swamptu> are you using alternate install cd or livecd?
[01:34] <swamptu> if you are using livecd try using the alternate install cd
[01:35] <Feclar> livecd
[01:35] <Feclar> k
[01:35] <Feclar> thanks
[01:41] <grout__> i got a folder shared in windows on my network. how can I access it through kubuntu?
[01:42] <Hawkwind> grout__: Samba is one way
[01:42] <trappist> and all other ways use samba :)
[01:42] <Hawkwind> Heh true
[01:42] <grout__> how do i use samba?
[01:43] <trappist> I just install smbfs and make an entry for the share in /etc/fstab, but I'm pretty sure there's a nice gui way to do it
[01:43] <coreymon77> whats a good kubuntu program for converting mp3 to wav?
[01:44] <DralaFi> mpg123, mplayer, xmms with disk output plugin  etc
[01:44] <DralaFi> nite nite
[01:44] <grout__> anyone know of a gui way to use samba?
[01:44] <trappist> coreymon77: maybe mp3-decoder foo.mp3 --wav foo.wav
[01:45] <grout__> anyone know of a nice gui way to use samba?
[01:45] <trappist> grout__: if they didn't know 60 seconds ago, they probably don't now.  try poking around in the menu a bit, or wait a while longer and ask again
[01:46] <apol> grout__: smb4k worked just fine
[01:46] <apol> there is a long time ago since I used samba for last time
[01:46] <steveire> http://scipy.org/Installing_SciPy/Linux <<< Is it just me or do the atlas packages mentioned near the bottom of that page not exist?
[01:47] <grout__> thanks
[01:47] <coreymon77> no worries
[01:47] <coreymon77> i found something on apt
[01:47] <coreymon77> soundkonverter
[01:47] <apol> steveire: have you updated?
[01:47] <steveire> yes.
[01:48] <steveire> there are packages with similar names.
[01:48] <apol> op
[01:49] <wanderson> algue ta usando o edgy?
[01:49] <steveire> apol: op?
[01:50] <apol> steveire: ok
[01:50] <apol> steveire: I can find them all
[01:50] <apol> :S
[01:50] <apol> !pt
[01:50] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[01:50] <steveire> really?
[01:50] <apol> yes
[01:50] <apol> the atlas-* ones at least
[01:51] <apol> perhaps you need to include universe
[01:51] <wanderson> blz, desculpe
[01:51] <steveire> atlas-sse3-dev <<< I have atlas3-sse-dev and atlas3-sse2-dev, but not that one
[01:51] <apol> yes that's true
[01:52] <apol> but sse2 might be good enough for you
[01:52] <danny500> How do I play a .rar music type?
[01:52] <apol> danny500: .rar is not a music type
[01:52] <danny500> what is it?
[01:52] <steveire> ah, so you can't find them all, but you can find packages with similar names?
[01:52] <apol> danny500: youre right
[01:52] <danny500> ???
[01:52] <apol> !rar
[01:52] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[01:53] <apol> which similar names? what do you mean?
[01:53] <coreymon77> why not just use the linux version of winrar
[01:53] <danny500> I'm downloading a music soundtrack and it's in the .rar file type.
[01:54] <apol> look at it
[01:54] <apol> !rar
[01:54] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression.  Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required
[01:56] <oscar_> I don't see any "fmily" chating
[01:57] <obf213> i have hpijs installed
[01:57] <Kr4t05> oscar_: try using a vowel or two, and we might be able to understand you.
[01:58] <Riddell> obf213: dapper or edgy?
[01:58] <danny500> watch your language,I'm 3 years old and I don't like your poop mouf. lol
[01:58] <danny500> hahahahahahaha
[01:58] <oscar_> Yeah right
[01:58] <oscar_> Mustta be a genious
[01:58] <jmichaelx> i am wanting to increase the resolution on my monitor  to 1280 x 1024, but in the display systems settings, the highest i can select is 1024 x 768.... do i need to reconfigure xserver-xorg to fix this?
[01:58] <danny500> genious all the way
[01:58] <danny500> no really I'm 17
[01:58] <oscar_> Did i asked you??
[01:59] <danny500> Watch your language you motherfuck!
[01:59] <danny500> lol
[01:59] <Hawkwind> danny500: Please stop
[01:59] <danny500> ok sorry
[01:59] <oscar_> Guess who's talking about the manners
[01:59] <Kr4t05> /mode #kubuntu +m
[01:59] <jmichaelx> you guys are aiming to get banned, if you don't quit that
[01:59] <Kr4t05> oscar_, too. :)
[02:00] <oscar_> Wow, nice chat
[02:00] <Riddell> jmichaelx: means your monitor has only reported it can do 1024, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg may help
[02:00] <Hawkwind> Ash-Fox: Hah!  That bites when it's something so simple like that
[02:01] <jmichaelx> ty Riddell
[02:01] <oscar_> SO simple
[02:01] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, perhaps a video driver upgrade is in order if yer running an intel MOBO ...we ahd a guy here yesterday with that very problem
[02:01] <oscar_> THat's why WIndows ROcks
[02:01] <Kr4t05> Troll.
[02:01] <oscar_> Win XP
[02:01] <Ash-Fox> Hawkwind, yeah, and the best thing was, iwconfig kept telling me there were no errors at all. Including with passwords, so.. :P
[02:01] <Kr4t05> Flame bait.
[02:01] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i have an old ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/ 2X (rev 5c)
[02:02] <Kr4t05> Man, I love that handy /ignore command. :)
[02:02] <oscar_> Me too, how can i ignore you???
[02:02] <coreymon77> oscar
[02:02] <coreymon77> get out of this channel
[02:02] <coreymon77> now
[02:02] <BluesKaj> frglx  driver , jmichaelx
[02:02] <BluesKaj> ?
[02:02] <oscar_> I won't
[02:03] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: you think that is the driver i may need? i would like to be more sure about it before i try...
[02:03] <coreymon77> somebody kick him for saying that
[02:03] <coreymon77> this is a kubuntu linux channel
[02:03] <jmichaelx> i poked around a little bit in the forums, but have not yet seen anything
[02:03] <coreymon77> not an i love windows channel
[02:03] <Ash-Fox> There are windows channels on freenode?
[02:03] <CVirus> who cares
[02:03] <draik> yea
[02:03] <coreymon77> i mean windoze
[02:03] <Kr4t05> coreymon77: Unfortunately, he's well in his right to blab about Windows, as long as he isn't hurting anyone.
[02:04] <oscar_> Nobody is talking about I LOVE KUBUNTU
[02:04] <sorush20> imbrandon: it dosen't work sorry..
[02:04] <sorush20> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23388
[02:04] <coreymon77> so
[02:04] <coreymon77> its still a linux channel
[02:04] <coreymon77> meh
[02:04] <coreymon77> ill just ignore him
[02:04] <oscar_> Please
[02:04] <draik> Wait wait wait... WAIT... this isn't Windoze Lovers Anonymous... Darn
[02:04] <coreymon77> lol
[02:04] <_blu3ray> i connect to kubuntu from real vnc ver 4 thru the remote desktop sharing but load goes wild and whole sytem gets laggy
[02:04] <oscar_> That's the only thing u can talk
[02:04] <BluesKaj> go into systems settings/display/adminmode/hardware/config and the drop down list may have driver listed for your ATI card
[02:05] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i'll give it a look
[02:05] <Ash-Fox> _blu3ray, why don't you just stick with.. vnc only.
[02:06] <_blu3ray> is there a problem with default desktop sahring?
[02:06] <_blu3ray> sharing
[02:06] <draik> We're starting a wave... sweet!!!
[02:06] <_blu3ray> i have a 3 gig cpu with 1 gig mem
[02:06] <oscar_> Goodbye honeymon
[02:06] <_blu3ray> and can barly open a terminal window
[02:07] <oscar_> Now, coreymon has shown his low tolerance attitude
[02:07] <coreymon77> everyone do the wave!
[02:07] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i do not see frglx on the list...
[02:07] <draik> Neolithium, you're going to have fun with Kubuntu
[02:07] <sorush20> I keep getting an error when I try to install libfam-dev package I get a brocken package
[02:07] <Neolithium> Definately :)
[02:07] <_blu3ray> xorg and krfb take up all cpu just by connecting
[02:07] <draik> If you ever need help with something, you can be sure at least one person will be here to help you
[02:08] <Neolithium> I started with FC5, after I realised that kinda sucked, went through gentoo, Mandriva, Suse, Slackware, FreeBSD....and all in the last 2 weeks.
[02:08] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, there's a generic ATI driver you DL atheir site for Linux
[02:08] <draik> I am on my 3rd install of Kubuntu
[02:08] <BluesKaj> if want to try it
[02:08] <draik> #1 was FUBAR when I was playing with all options at once
[02:08] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: does that differ from the ati driver that k/ubuntu installs?
[02:08] <Ash-Fox> playing with all the options at once? what options?
[02:08] <Neolithium> I noticed, when I first tried it; there was lots less system lag
[02:09] <draik> #2 I messed up while backing up for more HDD space (20GB to 120GB)
[02:09] <BluesKaj> yes jmichaelx, i think it is
[02:09] <Neolithium> SUSE, no matter what, kinda was a little slow; even though I disabled tons of services that I didn't use; pulled all useless programs off....
[02:09] <oscar_> COreymoon needs a life
[02:09] <jmichaelx> hmmm
[02:09] <kutan> Which package should I download so I can play AVI on Kaffeine?
[02:09] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i am scared of borking this system....   lemme look at the ATI site...
[02:10] <Neolithium> Yast definately sucks, It's been admitted it's still basically a beta program.  the bulk of suse users still use SMART
[02:10] <kutan> Anyone?
[02:10] <lupine_85> apt-rpm + adept might have made SuSE more usable
[02:10] <Neolithium> Novell is aiming to have it fixed up nicely by 10.3 or so....
[02:10] <draik> kutan, 'apt-cache search' is your friend... but I'll look right now
[02:10] <BluesKaj> I was searching for one for my ATI xpress 200 but the best one is the fglrx
[02:10] <Neolithium> Not to mention, JESUS was Kubuntu a quick install
[02:11] <lupine_85> I left before I got round to it :)
[02:11] <coreymon77> who?\
[02:11] <Neolithium> Plus it recognized ALL of my hardware. Even my MMC card
[02:11] <Neolithium> er, card reader
[02:11] <kutan> Thanks draik, cause I'm about to go to bed and I want to put somethin on for someone
[02:11] <draik> do you have the w32codecs?
[02:11] <kutan> uh
[02:11] <kutan> Suppose not
[02:11] <draik> try that
[02:12] <draik> !mp3
[02:12] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:12] <draik> kutan: restricted formats, first link
[02:13] <Neolithium> If you have the backports enabled on sources, you should be able to search and install win32
[02:13] <Riddell> !
[02:14] <Riddell> Neolithium: w32codecs isn't in any ubuntu archive
[02:14] <coreymon77> and was then told nice one by someone
[02:14] <Riddell> coreymon77: that's unhelpful
[02:14] <Neolithium> Riddell, didn't they used to be in backports?
[02:14] <coreymon77> i know
[02:14] <coreymon77> but it was fun
[02:14] <Neolithium> maybe that was somewhere else I saw that....
[02:14] <Riddell> Neolithium: no
[02:14] <draik> kutan, did you go to that link?
[02:14] <BluesKaj> some ppl are happy with windows , they're just not as adventurous as ppl who migrate from windows to linux :)
[02:15] <draik> scroll down and follow the instructions for windows codecs
[02:15] <Neolithium> Oh wait, now I remember
[02:15] <Neolithium> Here's the instructions for whoever needs it:
[02:15] <Neolithium> wget -c http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/pool/dapper/non-free/w32codecs_20060611-1plf1_i386.deb
[02:15] <Neolithium> sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20060611-1plf1_i386.deb
[02:15] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i am thinking this video card may be too old for the propietary driver...
[02:15] <Ash-Fox> I'm unhappy with windows, I couldn't even get decent graphics acceleration on it :(
[02:16] <coreymon77> ash-fox: then go to the windows channel and laugh at them
[02:16] <Ash-Fox> What windows channel?
[02:17] <h3sp4wn> coreymon77: You do realise that most of the people in that channel also (maybe even mostly) use unix
[02:17] <coreymon77> ##windows
[02:17] <coreymon77> thats why someone said nice one
[02:17] <Neolithium> Insulting doesn't help promote Linux though; makes us look petty
[02:17] <coreymon77> im gonna go do it again
[02:18] <BluesKaj> well the frglx driver is a very wide ranging one. It covers alot of ATI cards
[02:18] <coreymon77> does anyone want to watch
[02:18] <draik> Neolithium, that's a nice way to put it
[02:18] <coreymon77> im telling them they should use kubuntu
[02:18] <kutan> Mmkay done, thanks a bunch draik. :\
[02:18] <kutan> See ya all
[02:19] <Neolithium> Well, it is true. Most people fear linux from the outdated idea that it's not user friendly and only command line.  to be honest, it took me a while to try it out, but then, I got hooked.  I swear someone put telepathic herioin in the MD5 sums
[02:19] <coreymon77> anyone
[02:19] <coreymon77> last call
[02:19] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: If you can get 3d acceleration with 'radeon' instead of fglrx then it is best to do so
[02:19] <BluesKaj> i looked in my ATI driver list but didn't see your card list , jmichaelx..so i don't know what else to tell you...maybe one of our more knowledgable ppl here can help ! :)
[02:19] <draik> last call for what?
[02:20] <coreymon77> watching me do funny stuff in the windoze channel then leave the cahnnel quickly
[02:20] <seth> coreymon77, that's not a good way to represent kubuntu
[02:20] <draik> nope
[02:20] <draik> use another name :p
[02:20] <seth> please take your off-topic chat to another channel, not the support channel
[02:20] <seth> thanks
[02:21] <Neolithium> Many a forum I've been in on discussion where windows users say that microsoft has massive amounts of revenue from software sales; but they end up being silent when we make them realize that the ONLY thing keeping MS afloat, is it's volume licensing with manufacturers.
[02:21] <draik> not your name, I meant the OS
[02:21] <BluesKaj> ahh... h3sp4wn to the rescue :)
[02:21] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: you need to do sudo aptitude purge fglrx~i  first
[02:21] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (select radeon (or ati which should load radeon by a wrapper))
[02:22] <BluesKaj> h3sp4wn , i don't think he's using that driver
[02:22] <coreymon77> okay
[02:22] <h3sp4wn> < jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i am thinking this video card may be too old for the propietary driver... (so I am helping him try the other one)
[02:22] <coreymon77> im doing it now
[02:22] <draik> coreymon77 doing what???
[02:22] <BluesKaj> good h3sp4wn  :)
[02:23] <coreymon77> playing around in the channel
[02:24] <coreymon77> anyone want to watch
[02:24] <Neolithium> No; that's just...pitiful, really
[02:24] <seth> coreymon77, last chance to take your off-topic chat to another channel, please.  It's just disrespectful, petty, and....well, for lack of a better term, childish
[02:25] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: If you have any part of fglrx installed then it will stop 3d working with ati or radeon
[02:26] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: i have not tried to install fglrx at any time
[02:27] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: lspci -nn | grep ATI (run that)
[02:27] <jmichaelx> i just changed the resolution setting in xserver-xorg, so i am going to restart...
[02:27] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: ok, will do
[02:27] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: I should be able to tell you from the chipset whether you need fglrx or not (unless its an obscure one)
[02:27] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: ok, it said nothing when i entered that command
[02:28] <jmichaelx> Sysinfo for 'kubuntu2': Linux 2.6.15-26-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: PentiumIII(Katmai) at 498 MHz (998 bogomips), , RAM: 345/376MB, 107 proc's, 1.4d up
[02:28] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: i don't know if that was what you wanted or not
[02:28] <draik> 500MHz???
[02:28] <jmichaelx> yup
[02:28] <draik> how's it run?
[02:28] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: lspci -nn (run that and tell me the line with vga controller in it)
[02:28] <jmichaelx> kubuntu dapper runs great on this PC
[02:29] <Neolithium> It's linux dude. Specializes in lower end systems :)  completely ROCKS on the higher end :)
[02:29] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: how do i know which line that is?
[02:30] <Neolithium> It should say VGA, etc; monitor related stuff
[02:30] <h3sp4wn> it will contain vga or VGA
[02:30] <draik> Neolithium, I am have a REALLY FUN TIME with my set up
[02:30] <BluesKaj> yeah , my AMD 3200+ 2ghz cpu & 1Gig RAM runs it very nicely for a midrange pc
[02:30] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: nothing mentions VGA
[02:31] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: pastebin the full output (if you can be bothered)
[02:31] <Neolithium> draik, I'm still waiting to build my franken box...once I get the cash; I just turned my averatec laptop for now, into my linux box. And thanks to Kubuntu; it's running GREAT
[02:31] <tony_> hey THC
[02:31] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: it's me bothering you ! lol i will be happy to paste-bin the output
[02:31] <draik> Neolithium, I wasn't sure what I was trying to say... either "I am having.." or "I have..."
[02:32] <tony_> anyone know how to make fonts look better in kubuntu? Isn't there some kind of program for that?
[02:32] <Neolithium> draik, Both work :)
[02:32] <draik> except for the grammar
[02:32] <draik> Neolithium, I spent $2300 USD on the desktop I have now
[02:32] <Neolithium> draik, Bah, I gave up grammar when I dropped out of High School ;)
[02:32] <coreymon77> !botsnack
[02:32] <ubotu> Yum!
[02:33] <draik> we can feed ubotu???
[02:33] <coreymon77> yup
[02:33] <draik> sweet
[02:33] <lupine_85> !bot3coursemeal
[02:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bot3coursemeal - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:33] <lupine_85> bah
[02:33] <coreymon77> that doesnt work
[02:33] <draik> !botsnack
[02:33] <ubotu> Yum!
[02:33] <seth> please don't abuse the bot
[02:33] <coreymon77> stop
[02:33] <seth> feel free to /msg it if you want to play :)
[02:33] <coreymon77> you are gonna make ubotu fat
[02:33] <draik> Just feeding it is abusing?
[02:34] <draik> fatbot???
[02:34] <seth> it spams the channel, draik
[02:34] <draik> oic, sorry seth
[02:34] <Neolithium> draik, That's nice man :)  I'm just on disability since I was discharged from the Army; so once I save a few cheques; the computer is gonna pwn all :)
[02:34] <seth> no worries
[02:34] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23391
[02:34] <Frederick> folks how do I set kubuntu to have the option to create a zip when I right click a file?
[02:35] <draik> Neolithium, my desktop was originally my class final in college... biuld the ultimate desktop, but it has to be the ultimate for your needs
[02:35] <draik> so I went with Gaming and just well rounded fast
[02:35] <draik> Sysinfo for 'Lair': Linux 2.6.15-26-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz at 3216 MHz (6432 bogomips), HD: 295/535GB, RAM: 3012/3031MB, 106 proc's, 2.18h up
[02:35] <Neolithium> Daaaaamn, that's nice :)
[02:35] <jmichaelx> draik: that is quite the machine....
[02:35] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: that output is strange are you sure you ran it with -nn not -n (try just lspci if that does not work)
[02:36] <Neolithium> I'm still bare minimum cause of my laptop restrictions
[02:36] <draik> WTF??? Since when did I switch to 3.5.4???
[02:36] <coreymon77> go to the channel #debian-bots to play with all of the debian distro bots
[02:36] <Neolithium> probably the last upgrade
[02:36] <draik> Thank you jmichaelx... and it's 3 years old
[02:36] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: it was nn
[02:36] <draik> took me about 3 months to complete... using all my paychecks for parts
[02:37] <Neolithium> That's the best box....home built
[02:37] <draik> mosdef
[02:37] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: Maybe the version I am using is newer (from edgy) - just run lspci with no arguments - tell me the line with ati in it
[02:37] <draik> Neolithium, I have LinuxJournal magazines sent to my house... there was an issue to building the best desktop, server, etc
[02:37] <draik> I was pretty close
[02:37] <draik> for the desktop
[02:37] <Neolithium> Sweet :)
[02:38] <BluesKaj> gamerz ...that all those fast powerful macines are good for ...except as servers may be :)
[02:38] <draik> Next on my list is going from 256MB to 512MB or even 1GB video
[02:38] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X (rev 5c)
[02:39] <leser> hi @ll
[02:39] <draik> Speaking of RAM, I have 4GB, dual-channel, but I think that I have a bad bank or something because it only registers 3GB
[02:39] <jmichaelx> * likes older systems with moderate amounts of EAM
[02:39] <jmichaelx> RAM*
[02:39] <grout> how can i get xmms to prompt me for a password on .htaccess sites?
[02:39] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: I would try forcing  - Driver          "radeon"
[02:40] <Neolithium> I was going to upgrade my ram; but there's no point since my swap is still untouched.  My other box that I want to build; will have the need, but not this one
[02:40] <draik> jmichaelx, I have a bunch of old RAM sitting here on my desk...
[02:40] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: That card is far too old for fglrx
[02:40] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: ok, i am nervous about this, but i'll give it a try....
[02:40] <jmichaelx> draik: can i buy it?
[02:40] <jmichaelx> :-D
[02:40] <draik> How about I just give it to you... I have no use for it
[02:40] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: make a backup first and then if it doesn't work just copy it back
[02:40] <draik> I just pulled them from the systems in my graveyard
[02:40] <jmichaelx> draik: i'll take all the SDRAM i can get,,,
[02:41] <draik> graveyard = my backyard full of gutted computers
[02:41] <jmichaelx> or DDR
[02:41] <Neolithium> *laughs* I already got dibs on a friends' computer who calls it useless. Little do they know, I only want their cool case; the rest is trash
[02:41] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: i could also just reconfigure xserver-xorg , could i not?
[02:41] <jmichaelx> draik: you need my address? :-D
[02:42] <jmichaelx> am i still connected?
[02:42] <cod> jmichaelx, is the card not working at all?
[02:42] <Neolithium> God I ///hate/// when people download torrents and don't seed after they have the file....
[02:43] <draik> On the side I have my own business... repairing PCs... one dude had a PC that everyone said was as good as a cadaver/paperweight... That this is up and running as good as his newer winxp desktop. He thinks I'm $DEITY...
[02:43] <jmichaelx> cod: it is at this point
[02:43] <cod> jmichaelx, lemme guess... no 3d?
[02:43] <draik> sorry jmichaelx, in between a few things...
[02:44] <jmichaelx> hey i have one more issue.... every once in a while a proggy tries to load on this OC called 'HTTP cache cleaner'... but it never loads and i cannot get it to quit. what is this?
[02:44] <jmichaelx> PC*
[02:44] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: Are you sure that direct rendering is not working ?
[02:45] <Neolithium> Why would you need a cache cleaning program? Most Linux browsers can do that from the preferences or options menu....
[02:45] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: i am going to reboot, as i changed the resolution in xserver-xorg.... after i restart i will change the driver, so i am only changing one thing at a time...
[02:45] <Neolithium> You can even set them to clear the cache when you exit the browser
[02:45] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: i don't think it is...
[02:46] <jmichaelx> Neolithium: i have not installed any cach cleaning proggies...
[02:46] <BluesKaj> heh, i was running debian on an old 233mhz 128mbram , with 6gig HDD for a while ... a bit slow but fun just the same :)
[02:46] <Neolithium> Hmmmm, I'd just enable it auto on your browser, then you shouldn't have any freezing problems...
[02:47] <jmichaelx> weird
[02:50] <grout> how can i make apps start at startup?
[02:50] <obf213> im getting this error
[02:50] <obf213> Unable to create the Foomatic driver [HP-PSC_1510,hpijs] . Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required, and i have hpjis installed
[02:50] <obf213> in dapper
[02:50] <trappist> grout: put a script or a .desktop file in ~/.kde/Autostart
[02:52] <CVirus> Ash-Fox: kprinter
[02:52] <Ash-Fox> I don't want it, but if I remove it, I can't keep some base meta packages
[02:52] <Ash-Fox> Which screws things up when you do a distro update. :/
[02:53] <BluesKaj> obf213, what printer ?
[02:53] <obf213> BluesKaj its an HP PSC 1510
[02:53] <wry> Hey dudes. i'm havin trouble extracting a rar file
[02:53] <Ash-Fox> !unrar
[02:53] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[02:53] <CVirus> wry: sudo apt-get install unrar
[02:53] <wry> I've installed unrar-free, but ark still don't like it
[02:54] <lupine_85> unrar-free doesn't work with many newer archives
[02:54] <Neolithium> wry, you can find stuff at the ubuntu page, or if you want, install winrar for linux (free) at http://www.rarlab.com
[02:54] <lupine_85> free but not Free :(
[02:54] <obf213> BluesKaj yesterday i had HP drivers now it cant seem to find them
[02:55] <wry> what's the dif btween free and Free?
[02:55] <Neolithium> I haven't had a problem with anything from RARlab
[02:55] <lupine_85> free is as in beer, Free is as in freedom
[02:55] <BluesKaj> yeah HP printer drivers seem to be faulty ...I fooled around for 3 mos before i could get my network (windows) printer to work
[02:55] <trappist> wry: the 'unrar' package should work
[02:55] <stahnma> #exit
[02:55] <trappist> wry: I don't know if ark handles it, but "unrar x filename.rar" ought to do it
[02:56] <CVirus> wry: ark handles it dont worry
[02:56] <trappist> there you go
[02:56] <CVirus> wry: just sudo apt-get install unrar
[02:56] <BluesKaj> you prolly already committed your printer drivers for the system
[02:57] <obf213> BluesKaj now no drivers slash printrs are even showing for me to choose drivers for after i reinstalled hpjis
[02:57] <Ash-Fox> You know... If I script anymore stuff in /etc/networks/interface, it will become selfaware.
[02:57] <obf213> hpijs*
[02:57] <BluesKaj> made the hpijs the default driver
[02:57] <Ash-Fox> Ubuntu really needs a decent network interface manager :P
[02:57] <obf213> BluesKaj, are you saying because i reinstalled it i need to some how make it the default driver?
[02:58] <wry> Before I came here the unrar package was claimin that it would either break another process or the server was down, and yeah I'd removed non free.
[02:58] <BluesKaj> no, it already is
[02:58] <wry> I guess it was just down... thanks for your magic touch guys!
[02:59] <BluesKaj> now you may have to remove the printer completely a la windows and reinstall
[02:59] <obf213> BluesKaj, this is local
[02:59] <obf213> straightusb
[02:59] <BluesKaj> yup, no difference
[02:59] <obf213> i didnt install anything with windows
[03:00] <BluesKaj> no I'm saying you may have to reinstall just like one would in windows
[03:00] <obf213> ah
[03:01] <BluesKaj> remove the drivers ...that's what I did to make mine work
[03:01] <obf213> hrm yesterday i had the drivers
[03:02] <obf213> ill fiddle arouand somemore
[03:03] <lupine_85> System Settings->Networking works here :)
[03:03] <BluesKaj> evryone usually finds a way to make it work ...when you do, please share your experince with us here
[03:04] <wry> what's the go with wine these days? I've installed it on each of the disto's I've tried recently (before settling with Kubuntu.. I think). Ubuntu, and mepis that is.
[03:05] <wry> Nothin seems to happen and theres no obvious way to config it... once upon a time it had a gui setup interface. So whats the go now?
[03:06] <lupine_85> wry: winecfg
[03:06] <lupine_85> installed with wine
[03:06] <wry> cheers lupine
[03:07] <lupine_85> np
[03:07] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: i installed the radeon driver... but thus far , i am not sure if anything has changed. should i try to reconfigure x again to see if i can now change the resolution?
[03:07] <obf213> any ideasa as to wht i did to kde print to have no printers show up from me to choose from?
[03:08] <BluesKaj> yeah , whynot , jmichaelx
[03:08] <jmichaelx> k
[03:10] <shadowhywind> hay question for you all, i need to update my alsa, any ideas on how to upgrade
[03:10] <shadowhywind> if i just compiled my own version of alsa would that break anything?
[03:12] <shadowhywind> any ideas?
[03:12] <BluesKaj> dunno , i just use system settings /systen services /adminmode
[03:12] <jmichaelx> ok, i will restart again.... brb
[03:16] <terwilliger> anybody know why I can't upgrade amarok on dapper? What gets broken?
[03:16] <draik> your feelings?
[03:19] <BluesKaj> amarok update and the dependencies can be found at www.imbrandon.com
[03:21] <BluesKaj> he was kind enuff to help me get the upgrade to amarok 1.4.3 yesterday
[03:21] <BluesKaj> he has some repos that you copy and paste to the sources list on that site
[03:23] <obf213> yeah so i rebooted and the kde wizard still showed no drivers
[03:23] <BluesKaj> try system settings
[03:24] <obf213> ??
[03:25] <terwilliger> BluesKaj: thanks! I'll check there
[03:25] <obf213> i go system setting->printers->administartion mode->add new printers->it finds the pritner on usb->select printer(run into problem because it no longer loads list)
[03:26] <BluesKaj> weird
[03:27] <coreymon77> who owns the ubugtu bot?
[03:27] <obf213> all i did was reinstall the hp drivers list because at first it showed me the lsit i selected the printer but it couoldnt load driver, now there is no list at all
[03:30] <ceruleantiger> hi, I was just wondering, is there any way to import all of my settings, skins, etc... to another kde box?
[03:30] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: ok, i have radeon installed.... still cannot increase the resolution. do i have any other options?
[03:31] <ceruleantiger> I just set up a new computer, and it will be a real pain to configure everything to exactly my old computer... (I had tons of custom keybindings, skins, etc... all set through kde apps)
[03:31] <yuriy> kformula in kword beta -- :(
[03:32] <coreymon77> anyone know who ubugtus owner is>
[03:32] <Eeyore_Jr> i have a big problem
[03:32] <Eeyore_Jr> i just used adept manager to remove libxin something thinking it was related to xine
[03:32] <Eeyore_Jr> it appears to be removing konq, kdm, etc.
[03:32] <labkom> what your problem
[03:32] <Eeyore_Jr> it stopped at kdm prompting with a yes/no, so i think i can kill adept
[03:32] <Eeyore_Jr> how do i recover?, as it appears it removed adept
[03:32] <labkom> helooo.........................
[03:33] <ceruleantiger> hi labkom
[03:33] <lupine_85> Eeyore_Jr: in a terminal you want to sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:33] <lupine_85> that'll bring all the packages back
[03:33] <labkom> i am sory i can't understand...i don't know
[03:34] <lupine_85> ceruleantiger: copying your entire ~ might do it
[03:34] <Eeyore_Jr> should i kill adept manager or leave it hanging?
[03:35] <tony_> my system won't go any louder. can someone help? kmixer is maxed and i have a 5.1 creative system
[03:35] <Admiral_Chicago> tony_, did you check alsamxer?
[03:35] <Admiral_Chicago> alsamixer*
[03:35] <tony_> how do i do that?
[03:35] <labkom> not yet
[03:36] <Admiral_Chicago> in your konsole, type alsamixer
[03:36] <Eeyore_Jr> labkom: ack, already did
[03:36] <Admiral_Chicago> brb
[03:36] <labkom> i don't know
[03:36] <Eeyore_Jr> anyhow, looks like your suggestion is working
[03:37] <labkom> not yet
[03:37] <labkom> I am sory, i can't help u
[03:38] <labkom> hello rynakca
[03:38] <ceruleantiger> when you do scp, is there any way to tell it to skip the file it's currently downloading?
[03:39] <Eeyore_Jr> well, i am operating again :-)
[03:46] <rcmn> >
[03:47] <ceruleantiger> you know, copying the .kde folder worked! It worked!!! thanks a lot lupine_85
[03:47] <ceruleantiger> that just saved me like a week of config time :)
[03:48] <obf213> has anyone in her setup their pritner over the local host
[03:49] <obf213> since kdeprint just stopped working on me that they only way i think i can do it
[03:50] <Erich-K> Does anyone know if there is a foobar for linux?
[03:53] <BluesKaj> never understood what foobar is ...thot it was a  mp3 player :)
[03:55] <Erich-K> It plays loads of different sound files
[03:57] <Riddell> sangers: why?
[03:57] <soulrider> hi everyone
[03:57] <BluesKaj> sangers, you'll regret it
[03:57] <sangers> Maybe sarge will be  less buggy for me
[03:58] <obf213> anybody used the local host to set up their printer, and know how the whole passwrood thing is supposed to work
[03:59] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: you out there?
[03:59] <obf213> i keep on failing authentication for some reason
[03:59] <jamadagni> hello
[03:59] <jamadagni> can anyone help me here with local repos?
[04:00] <jmichaelx> hey BluesKaj, i found something interesting...... in Xorg.0.log, i see that it says 'insufficent memory' several times in reference to 1280x1024 resoltuion.... would that be how much memory my PC has? or how much video RAM?
[04:01] <firesuite> is there a tutorial anywhere on how to obtain root ?
[04:01] <__mikem> sudo passwd root
[04:01] <BluesKaj> prolly video
[04:01] <firesuite> easy as that huh :)
[04:01] <__mikem> yess
[04:01] <BluesKaj> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic ..repositories here
[04:02] <firesuite> thanks man
[04:02] <__mikem> firesuite why do you need root access?
[04:02] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i wonder how i would adjest the video ram? is there a limit to how much i can allot for video?
[04:02] <BluesKaj> sorry jmichaelx, dunno :(
[04:02] <firesuite> i dont, i just want to know it because i should :)
[04:03] <firesuite> i wont be silly with it promise
[04:03] <__mikem> ok, just remember sudo is your friend, su is not
[04:04] <firesuite> yea thanks.. i seemed to remember needing it to install quake 3 some time ago. could be wrong though..
[04:04] <__mikem> its posible
[04:07] <garface> im having trouble installing the latest nvidia drivers for amd64, went to thier site and downloaded driver, but when i went to install it an error occured, any ideas?
[04:13] <jmichaelx> does anyone know how to adjust the video RAM??
[04:14] <JFreakCapo> hello everybody, anybody can suggest to me some app to burn DVDs please...
[04:14] <draik> JFreakCapo, I'm using k9Copy with k3b
[04:15] <draik> I'm actually using it right now
[04:15] <draik> it runs really well for DVD backup
[04:15] <Hawkwind> JFreakCapo: Depends on the type of DVD actually
[04:15] <draik> true
[04:15] <JFreakCapo> thks i gonna try it
[04:15] <draik> movies, k9copy
[04:15] <draik> data, k3b
[04:15] <Hawkwind> JFreakCapo: If you mean movie DVD's, then k9copy.  If want data, k3b
[04:16] <Hawkwind> JFreakCapo: Be forewarned, k9copy doesn't just direct copy DVD's though.  It shrinks them down from a dual layer sized DVD to fit onto a single layer DVD then it burns it
[04:16] <pierreth> remember, I told you about a bug in Thunderbird with an icon...
[04:16] <JFreakCapo> in my repositories don't have k9copy do you have a repository ?
[04:16] <draik> Hawkwind, you can avoid that if you want to
[04:16] <Hawkwind> !info k9copy
[04:16] <ubotu> k9copy: DVD backup tool for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.2-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 288 kB, installed size 1060 kB
[04:16] <pierreth> Well, for no reason, the icon is now back
[04:17] <Hawkwind> draik: Sure you can, but that was what it was meant for
[04:17] <pierreth> no restart of the application
[04:17] <draik> It won't do it for me though, that's what I'm saying
[04:17] <Hawkwind> JFreakCapo: It's in universe so you need to enable it
[04:17] <Hawkwind> draik: Won't do what ?
[04:17] <JFreakCapo> ahh ok, thks
[04:17] <draik> shrink the DL to SL
[04:17] <pierreth> the bug is just gone
[04:17] <pierreth> graft: ?
[04:17] <Hawkwind> draik: Wow, that's the reason it was made and it works perfectly here
[04:18] <draik> I have issues with it and dvdauthor
[04:18] <draik> I can't have autoburn enabled or else it doesn't work
[04:18] <draik> but that's fine
[04:18] <draik> I guess I like it the way it is now
[04:20] <wayne__> what is the cpmmand to change the restricted software?
[04:20] <wayne__> command
[04:20] <intelikey> about half the time when i start kde x doesn't have a keyboard.  that is to say the keyboard is not read by kde or any app started in kde...   it's an (AT) keyboard and xorg.conf says { Driver          "kbd" --   Option          "XkbRules"      "xorg" --  Option          "XkbModel"      "pc104" --  Option          "XkbLayout"     "us" } so it must be a bug  ?
[04:21] <garface> what does it mean when i try to use glxgears to test my 3d acceleration and i get this error,  Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[04:22] <jmichaelx> intelikey: would you happen to know how to change the amount of video RAM?
[04:22] <garface> nope
[04:22] <firesuite> ive heard mixed reports about Automatix, would anyone here recommend installing this thing?
[04:23] <intelikey> jmichaelx sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:23] <jmichaelx> ok thnx
 i have installed k9copy but isn't in my menu, where is ?
[04:23] <patrick_> How can i make Umlauts and ess-tests on linux?
[04:24] <Healot> set your keyboard to German or install German language support
[04:24] <Healot> I guess either way works
[04:25] <wayne__> what is the command ti edit my repository
[04:25] <intelikey> wayne__ sudo apt-setup   ?
[04:25] <intelikey> no sudo apt-config
 have i to check the option "burn with k3b" to burn the dvd or leave unchek ?
[04:28] <intelikey> i thought it was setup.... wayne__ anyway you can edit by hand if you know how.  sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:28] <intelikey> !repos > wayne__
[04:29] <patrick_> i set my layout to german
[04:29] <patrick_> now how to i make the Umlaut?
[04:30] <intelikey> aptconf - Debconf infrastructure for setting up apt sources
[04:30] <thomas_> Grub question, am I supposed to be able to use the cp command inside the grub prompt?  I made a floppy with grub, but can't cp the files to the new /boot partition...  can anybody help me with this?
[04:30] <intelikey> aptitude-doc-fr - French manual for aptitude, a terminal-based apt frontend
[04:30] <intelikey> aptsh - apt interactive shell
[04:30] <obf213> abattoir: i just got it all set up
[04:31] <abattoir> obf213: what did you do?
[04:31] <abattoir> obf213: as i said earlier, i'd expect it to work out of the box
[04:31] <obf213> yeah it shoulda. i dunno wht the problemo was
[04:31] <intelikey> apt-howto - example-based guide to APT
[04:31] <obf213> i jsut had to reinstall like 90million packages but its all good
[04:32] <abattoir> obf213: anyways, as long as it works :)
[04:32] <abattoir> ...its good
[04:39] <BigIron> What is the best window manager?
[04:39] <Creedence> kde
[04:39] <lupine_85> compiz :)
[04:39] <robotgeek> BigIron: wrong channel to ask question :)
[04:40] <BigIron> In its self ,with no other packages?
[04:40] <intelikey> ok i've isolated the problem.   it's in the auto-login process  it seems that if a kde session is started while another tty is in focus, that x never grabs the keyboard input.   it doesn't affect sessions started while the tty running x is in focus.
[04:41] <intelikey> best ???    ! start a wm war.
[04:42] <obf213> how do i find out howmuch of my hdd is used up?
[04:42] <robotgeek> obf213: df -kh
[04:42] <omar> Hi everybody
[04:42] <intelikey> kh ?
[04:43] <intelikey> isn't that contridictory ?
[04:43] <obf213> it worked
[04:43] <omar> do you know, what can I do?. I have a web cam, but I don't have the drivers
[04:43] <omar> is a little one, Deluxe
[04:43] <intelikey> h=human readable    k=in units of 1k
[04:43] <omar> what can i do in order to use it?
[04:44] <Admiral_Chicago> is there a mathmatica equivelent ofr linux?
[04:44] <intelikey> i have no idea what "mathmatica" is,  anything like bc ?
[04:45] <Admiral_Chicago> look it up. its real cool
[04:46] <BigIron> I have lost the ablity to configure my log in window
[04:46] <intelikey> no thinks, i'm not interested.  and i don't do windows.
[04:46] <omar> Hey guys pls, I gotta a real cute girl who wanna share video
[04:46] <omar> how to configure my web cam
[04:47] <thomas_> Grub question, am I supposed to be able to use the cp command inside the grub prompt?  I made a floppy with grub, but can't cp the files to the new /boot partition...  can anybody help me with this?
[04:47] <draik> LOL
[04:47] <Healot> hehe
[04:47] <robotgeek> lol
[04:47] <BigIron> I thought another package may restore it so I can change it.
[04:47] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey, i don't do windows eithre thats why I want a FOSS altrenatiwe
[04:47] <Admiral_Chicago> ROFL
[04:47] <abattoir> omar: we are jealous, so we wont help you out :-\
[04:47] <beemonk> lol
[04:47] <casey_> funny, yet totally true..
[04:47] <omar> hehe
[04:47] <abattoir> !webcam
[04:47] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[04:47] <omar> I will give you the mail
[04:48] <abattoir> omar: ^^^ read those first
[04:48] <abattoir> omar: no thanks :), was just kidding
[04:48] <flaccid_> !sound
[04:48] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure alsa is selected by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (Alsa Mixer). If you are still having problems with sound, then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[04:48] <intelikey> well i'm not jealous.  i just don't know anything about vidio cameras
[04:48] <casey_> same.
[04:48] <flaccid_>  If you're having problems with sound, first ensure alsa is selected by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (Alsa Mixer). <------ i don't believe this exists
[04:48] <omar> I will read, and be back, thanks
[04:49] <abattoir> flaccid_: i think this entry is gnome-oriented... let me check it out...
[04:49] <flaccid_> thanks abattoir
[04:49] <omar> by the way, what's the best office for linux
[04:49] <warpzone> hey guys, any word when ktorrent 2.02 is going to hit the repos?
[04:49] <omar> koffice doesn't open everything
[04:50] <draik> Whoa! Creedence, tht's a messed up story... Goes to show that you should pay attention and do your homework!!!
[04:50] <Galathalion> can somebody please help me install flashplayer in mozilla?
[04:50] <flaccid_> !flash
[04:50] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:50] <draik> !flash
[04:50] <warpzone> galathalion: have you checked the unoffical stater guide?
[04:50] <robotgeek> how about the official help?
[04:51] <draik> robotgeek, I didn't know there was any
[04:51] <warpzone> galathalion: i just follow their instructions to the letter, works every time
[04:51] <warpzone> though until 9 comes out, its pretty disappointing
[04:51] <draik> yup
[04:51] <robotgeek> draik: Kmenu -> Help
[04:51] <abattoir> flaccid_: try alsamixer in the command line
[04:52] <Galathalion> ok ill try
[04:52] <Galathalion> thanks
[04:52] <warpzone> if you're addicted to flash stuff may need to do FF in wine :( :( but I've never used wine so dunno how well that works
[04:52] <draik> robotgeek, I try !<keyword> or google
[04:52] <omar> I don't like flash since is not open
[04:52] <flaccid_> abattoir: there is no device selecting function i can eee
[04:52] <flaccid_> abattoir: can we update the bot entry to be kubuntu friendly
[04:53] <abattoir> flaccid_: yes, work is proceeding on that front... i'll add this to that list
[04:53] <flaccid_> legend abattoir
[04:53] <abattoir> flaccid_: w.r.t kmix, i think a combobox shows up when you have more than one device
[04:53] <abattoir> flaccid_: so you can choose b/w the devices that you want to control
[04:53] <abattoir> huh? :P
[04:54] <flaccid_> just saying that you are a legend
[04:54] <intelikey> speeking of "alsamixer"  i'm missing a device node in /dev/snd/  i think.  my alsamixer wont open.
[04:54] <flaccid_> but you can select the hardware device, not alsa?
[04:54] <Creed205> http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/09/13/montreal.shooting/index.html
[04:54] <intelikey> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[04:54] <Creed205> night all
[04:54] <Creed205> I gotta get to bed
[04:54] <Galathalion> didnt help much :<
[04:54] <warpzone> adios
[04:54] <intelikey> howto make the missing device ?
[04:54] <abattoir> flaccid_: it is alsa by default...
[04:54] <flaccid_> how to use dpkg or similar to list files provided by an installed package?
[04:54] <flaccid_> abattoir: sweet
[04:54] <abattoir> flaccid_: check kcontrol->Sound and audio for more info
[04:55] <intelikey> flaccid_ dpkg -L package
[04:55] <abattoir> ...'Sound and Multimedia' rather
[04:55] <Galathalion> i downloaded the macromedia flash-thingy and installed it but it still dont work
[04:55] <flaccid_> thanks y0
[04:55] <intelikey>            howto make the missing device ?
[04:56] <flaccid_> abattoir: yeah but thats kde sound system only
[04:56] <abattoir> flaccid_: click on the Hardware tab
[04:56] <warpzone> Galathalion: not work how? its only flash 7 so most you'll get is some vid, no sound
[04:56] <flaccid_> abattoir: yeah but thats if you have the kde sound system on
[04:56] <Galathalion> warpzone: mozilla says i dont have it installed
[04:57] <flaccid_> i turn it off coz there is no need for it
[04:57] <abattoir> flaccid_: it is alsa by default, i'm pretty sure of that... what problems are you having?
[04:57] <flaccid_> no problems abattoir :)
[04:57] <warpzone> galathalion: which guide did you follow?
[04:57] <Healot> !info firefox
[04:57] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu6.06.1 (dapper), package size 7730 kB, installed size 22912 kB
[04:57] <BluesKaj> ok Im at the dir i want to install ...forgotten the install command ! doh
[04:58] <abattoir> BluesKaj:  a deb?
[04:58] <Healot> 1.5.05?
[04:58] <flaccid_> i guess there is no native alsa admin frontend in kde yet
[04:58] <Galathalion> warpzone: http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
[04:58] <BluesKaj> tar gz2
[04:58] <Galathalion> :>
[04:58] <Healot> hum always slow in updating official repos :)
[04:58] <abattoir> BluesKaj: ./configure first, then make and sudo make install
[04:58] <BluesKaj> already extracted to it's dir
[04:58] <abattoir> BluesKaj: unless it has something like install.sh(like the last time)
[04:58] <intelikey> "firefox: lightweight web browser"  heh  i checked on installing ff and apt said "need to get 93m of archives"  lol
[04:58] <warpzone> galathalion: ooo man no screw that, here's how to use the ones from the repository:
[04:59] <abattoir> BluesKaj: see if there is a file called 'configure'
[04:59] <BluesKaj> no, tried that
[04:59] <BluesKaj> ok  abattoir , hang on
[04:59] <warpzone> galathalion: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper
[05:00] <Healot>  is distributing livdvdcss2 outside US or EU legal?
[05:00] <warpzone> look for flash, it'll have instructions to follow
[05:00] <Galathalion> warpzone: thank you
[05:00] <Healot> libdvdcss2
[05:00] <abattoir> Healot: i guess it depends on the country
[05:00] <warpzone> Galathalion: not a prob man, im just recently started so i have a lot of probs as well :-P
[05:00] <Dr_Willis> I agree with abattoir
[05:00] <BluesKaj> no i don't see one abattoir..it's quicktime4linux-2.2
[05:01] <Healot> well; my country has no clear law on software reverse-engineering;
[05:01] <BluesKaj> maybe in adept
[05:01] <abattoir> BluesKaj: there generally is an INSTALL or a README file... see what it says
[05:01] <Galathalion> warpzone: dudette, if u dont mind :>
[05:01] <BluesKaj> too many files
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> the dcss stuff was only part reverse engineering. or so i recall.
[05:02] <warpzone> galathalion: ooo linux chick, well mad props :-P just got my gf switched over
[05:03] <flaccid_> does anyone here use an icecast source client that captures the live audio from the soundcard eg. ices0 ices2 darkice etc. ??
[05:03] <Galathalion> warpzone: sweet.. :D
[05:03] <robotgeek> flaccid_: streamtuner/streamripper
[05:04] <flaccid_> robotgeek: w0a cool i havnt heard of that one
[05:04] <intelikey> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device     ---   anyone ?
[05:04] <Galathalion> warpzone: found out i allredy got the plugin, but when i wrote sudo update-flashplugin i got automatic installation failed due to network problems or upstream changes :<<
[05:05] <flaccid_> robotgeek: they are not source clients
[05:05] <warpzone>  galathalion: ooo man don't know anything about that :( :(
[05:05] <intelikey> i think it's sound card specific maybe ?    like modprobe should have made the device when it inserted the module for my sound card, but didn't  ?
[05:05] <BluesKaj> abattoir, heres the readme  :   http://pastebin.ca/169681
[05:06] <Galathalion> warpzone: ok.. thanks anyways
[05:06] <warpzone> galthalion: try starting from scratch again? maybe remove the stuff you got from adobe
[05:06] <Healot> is re-mastering of ubuntu iso allowed? i mean adding some packages with unclear licensing/legal status like dvdcss?
[05:06] <warpzone> galathalion: np, sorry i cant be more help
[05:06] <omar> halle again
[05:06] <BluesKaj> shhhh Healot... it ain't legal , but it can be done :)
[05:06] <omar> the pages you gave me are fine, but they are not for the brand of my web cam
[05:06] <abattoir> BluesKaj: do you have libmpeg3 too ?
[05:07] <omar> is there another way to install it
[05:07] <Galathalion> warpzone: its ok :>
[05:07] <abattoir> Healot: i think its allowed
[05:07] <Galathalion> warpzone: nice of u to sow interest
[05:07] <warpzone> :)
[05:07] <BluesKaj> dunno , thot it was included
[05:07] <abattoir> BluesKaj: you'd need that too
[05:07] <BluesKaj> ok
[05:07] <robotgeek> flaccid_: meaning?
[05:07] <abattoir> BluesKaj: as the file says, they should reside next to each other in the same folder
[05:07] <Healot> well, as long as i don't do it in the US or EU?
[05:08] <intelikey> Healot no    re-read the gnu-gpl   you can't add propritary software to gnu without them providing permission.
[05:08] <Healot> aha
[05:08] <flaccid_> robotgeek: i was looking for source clients, not a browser and a ripper
[05:08] <abattoir> BluesKaj: as the file says, run 'make' in the mpeg dir. then comeback to this dir and run 'make'
[05:08] <Healot> yeah; GPL... but keeping it separate like the ubuntu official did is okay huh?
[05:09] <robotgeek> flaccid_: meaning, you want to setup a server?
[05:09] <abattoir> BluesKaj: and then 'make util'
[05:09] <draik> k3b won't burn 4.5GB on a 4.7GB DVD. How can I let it go over the "barrier"?
[05:09] <intelikey> the reason being, every thing that falls under the gun-gpl has to be open source.   if you add pps it becomes oss according to the gpl
[05:10] <intelikey> and that without permission will lead to coart cases.
[05:10] <BluesKaj> hang on abattoir , i'm looking for the libmpeg3
[05:10] <flaccid_> robotgeek: a source client is the process that sends your stream/broadcast to the icecast server
[05:11] <intelikey> as long as you can keep it totally seperate from the gnu-gpl  and under the propriters terms. then you're kewl
[05:11] <Healot> intelikey: what will happen if Fraun - the MPEG patent holder ask for licensing fee...?
[05:11] <robotgeek> flaccid_: okay, and how does that help?
[05:12] <Healot> should we stop distributing some like libxine-extracodecs?
[05:12] <intelikey> like i said in the last post. "under the propriters terms."
[05:12] <robotgeek> flaccid_: i mean, what purpose does it serve, actually
[05:12] <intelikey> Healot probably should.
[05:12] <Healot> but I can always keep a personal copy of this remastered CD right; hehe
[05:13] <intelikey> for youre own use. yes.
[05:13] <flaccid_> robotgeek: it provides the icecast server with the stream source
[05:14] <Healot> i don't really  like the Fed chasing me :)
[05:14] <robotgeek> okay, i am not exactly sure how all that works, sorry flaccid_
[05:14] <draik> anyone here getting 404 on the updates from  http://packages.freecontrib.org dapper/non-free Packages
[05:14] <draik> ?
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> ive never even seen a 4.7 gb dvd..  they a new thing out?
[05:14] <intelikey> Healot who does?
[05:14] <Healot> no one; hehe
[05:14] <abattoir> Dr_Willis: heh, are yo j/k  ?
[05:14] <abattoir> *you
[05:14] <beemonk> Dr_Willis : thats what im using dot dot dot
[05:14] <flaccid_> heh
[05:15] <flaccid_> how can i add OSS support to my system ?
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> all mine are 4.4 gb as far as i kn.w
[05:15] <BluesKaj> abattoir, libmpeg3-1 is available in adept
[05:15] <draik> 4.5<4.7, but I can't seem to burn... or even let it go over the barrier
[05:15] <Healot> I guess I can give the CD copies to friends only, as long as I make no profit out of it
[05:15] <flaccid_> !oss
[05:15] <intelikey> flaccid_ prolly modprobe snd-oss
[05:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oss - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:15] <BluesKaj> not installed
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> or is that just the 'actual size of the stuff ya can put on. vs what the disk says' :P
[05:15] <abattoir> BluesKaj: but from what i understand, you need the source to build the quick time stuff
[05:15] <Trae> aww man
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> or have i been shorting myself out of a few 100mb on each disk since i use k3b.
[05:16] <draik> Dr_Willis, true
[05:16] <abattoir> BluesKaj: why do you need that quick time stuff btw?
[05:16] <Trae> my laptop Volume keys don't work like they did in Gnome
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> or is everyone ELSE confused. :P
[05:16] <Trae> :(
[05:16] <flaccid_> intelikey: returns FATAL: Module snd_oss not found
[05:16] <intelikey> flaccid_ so i got the name wrong.   search for it.
[05:16] <BluesKaj> dunno, thot it would be nice to have since so much video is being done in it recently \
[05:17] <Trae> on my HP laptop, in gnome, I pressed the -(volume)+  keys and/or the Mute key... and it would pop up an on-screen display and adjust sound as necessary
[05:17] <intelikey> it's there
[05:17] <draik> Dr_Willis, no way to overburn an extra 100MB?
[05:17] <Trae> (in Ubuntu)
[05:17] <abattoir> BluesKaj: get w32codecs, it has qt support too
[05:17] <Trae> that seems either broken or not implemented in Kubuntu
[05:17] <abattoir> *QT
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> draik,  ive never even noticed or seen the sizes beng over 4.4 gb. even under windows..
[05:17] <BluesKaj> yeah got em
[05:17] <royal> ok where can I get the deb file that enables mp3 support? (I can't acess the internet, but just give the repo list anyway)
[05:17] <flaccid_> intelikey: search where
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> draik,  i always thouhg it was silly rounding of the #'s as to why they differ.
[05:17] <abattoir> Trae: that has been fixed w/ the upcoming release
[05:17] <Trae> abattoir: ahhh sweet
[05:17] <Trae> abattoir: nm then
[05:18] <Trae> ;)
[05:18] <draik> I just want to burn this DVD. I've done it before, but not letting me now
[05:18] <Trae> abattoir: edgy right?
[05:18] <abattoir> Trae: i think for now, you can try changing your keyboard model in kcontrol
[05:18] <abattoir> Trae: yes
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_recordable
[05:18] <Trae> abattoir: cool.. thanks for the heads up.
[05:18] <BluesKaj> abattoir, it getting late ...I'll try  again tomorrow ...getting tired now :)
[05:18] <intelikey> flaccid_ maybe snd-seq-oss  or  snd-pcm-oss
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> A DVD advertised as 4.7 GB may seem to hold less than that because manufacturers quote the capacity of a writable DVD disc using decimal prefixes rather than the binary prefixes used by some software.
[05:18] <BluesKaj> nite folks
[05:18] <flaccid_> intelikey: would it be from lsmod?
[05:18] <abattoir> Trae: Kcontrol->Regional and Acc..->Keyboard Layout->Keyboard Model
[05:18] <abattoir> BluesKaj: ok, good night
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> This can be confusing. While a 4.7 GB DVD can store 4.7 billion bytes [4,700,000,000 bytes  1000 b/kB = 4,700,000 kB  1000 kB/MB = 4,700 MB  1000 MB/GB = 4.7 GB] , using binary prefixes the same capacity is roughly 4.38 GiB
[05:19] <royal> where can I get the deb file that enables mp3 support? (I can't acess the internet, but just give the repo list anyway plus a download for the deb file)
[05:19] <flaccid_> intelikey: i have these from lsmod: | snd_pcm_oss            56448  0 | snd_mixer_oss          20544  3 snd_pcm_oss
[05:19] <abattoir> royal: libxine-extracodecs
[05:19] <abattoir> royal: search in packages.ubuntu.com
[05:19] <intelikey> or flaccid_ then you have oss support
[05:19] <draik> just read that Dr_Willis... no way of fitting it then, huh?
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> draik,  i dont think its EVER been possible.. :P you may be confused..
[05:20] <abattoir> royal: and get libmad0 too
[05:20] <flaccid_> intelikey: is there any physical way to test it?
[05:20] <abattoir> royal: also make sure you download the necessary dependencies
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> k3b is using the 'binary prefix' method I think.
[05:21] <draik> I have the copies at a friend's house.. they play...
[05:21] <draik> how can k9Copy shrink the DVD?
[05:21] <draik> Maybe I didn't do it right
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> you refering to a Video DVD?
[05:21] <draik> yup
[05:21] <intelikey> flaccid_ you do know that  lsmod==list modules   rmmod==remove module   insmod==insert module    and modprobe does all the above.
[05:21] <intelikey> err testing oss  hmmmmm
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> a comercial video dvd can be dual layer.
[05:21] <intelikey> let me see
[05:21] <draik> this is single
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> prove it. :P
[05:22] <royal> where?
[05:22] <Dr_Willis> dd it to a file. heh.
[05:22] <flaccid_> yeah
[05:22] <draik> dd?
[05:22] <Kyral> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/path/to/iso
[05:22] <royal> these are all mpeg files? I thought Mpeg was a movie file?
[05:22] <intelikey> flaccid_ i don't know.  you'll have to get a guier roo to answer that one.
[05:23] <flaccid_> thanks for your help intelikey
[05:23] <intelikey> np
[05:23] <richie_> ubuntu/linux noobe here. need to know how to access su in terminal. ubuntu just doesnt seem to like it. is there a different command or something?
[05:24] <Kyral> !root
[05:24] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:24] <abattoir> richie_: try sudo instead
[05:24] <richie_> thanks
[05:24] <abattoir> richie_: there is no root user account by default in ubuntu...
[05:24] <flaccid_> i thought there was just no password on the root account
[05:24] <abattoir> richie_: instead, the normal user gains root privs. using sudo(and supplying the normal user's password)
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> logging in as root directly is disabled by default.
[05:25] <intelikey> richie_ the root password is locked in a default *buntu system.   if you don't like that you can change it.  but they will scold me for telling you how.
[05:25] <abattoir> yes, my mistake.. there is a root a/c but locked.
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> and if you knew enough linux.. you would know - how to do it.. :P
[05:25] <richie_> lol its cool. i should be able to use sudo...
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> untill you gain the exp to do so.. heh.. stick with sudo
[05:26] <robotgeek> sudo make me a sandwich
[05:27] <intelikey> Dr_Willis that assumes the inquisitor is unfamilear with linux in general  not just new to sudo...
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> No one expects the spanish inquisition!
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:28] <intelikey> maybe a linux one ?
[05:31] <intelikey> so does anyone know what might point me in the right dirrection to fix this  "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device"  ?
[05:32] <ironfroggy> is it possible to use run Windows programs as X Clients connecting to a remote X server?
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> sounds like its looking for the wrong /dev/ device.. or your sound card modules are not loaded right.
[05:32] <Trae> I'd like to get Yakuake to start at start-up when I log in to KDE... how would I go about that?
[05:33] <Dr_Willis> ironfroggy,  not that i have ever seen
[05:33] <Dr_Willis> ironfroggy,  vnc is handy for a similer task however -  it shares the whole desktop.
[05:33] <robotgeek> Trae: the easiest way is to use session manager
[05:33] <ironfroggy> hmm.. im looking into a setup where i would run games on a seperate box but with remote windows onto my linux boxes.
[05:34] <Trae> robotgeek: where is that located please?
[05:34] <ironfroggy> wine, im learning, doesnt work for _anything_ i try
[05:34] <intelikey> Dr_Willis yes it's looking for a control device in /dev/snd/   the dir is empty  i made it but modprobe didn't put anything in it when it inserted my soundcard module
[05:34] <draik> Goodnight everyone. I'm outta here.
[05:34] <robotgeek> Trae: System Setings -> User i think. you can check for directions in the Desktop Guide, System -> help
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> if modprobe dident put the stuff in there. Hmm.. you sure you loaded the right module?
[05:35] <intelikey> Dr_Willis yes sound works fine.   just cant use alsamixer to control it
[05:35] <ironfroggy> i havent gotten a single game to run on wine, but none of the install programs have had so much as a hiccup.
[05:35] <Trae> Don't seem to have a "System Settings"
[05:36] <Trae> oh
[05:36] <Trae> sorry
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> intelikey,  thats... odd
[05:37] <intelikey> Dr_Willis could i get you to msg me the output of   ls -l /dev/snd     i'll see if your devices are compatable
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> intelikey,  i got a lot of devices in thee.. got me a Audigy 2zs sound card.
[05:37] <intelikey> no
[05:38] <intelikey> flood protection is still on.
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> lol
[05:39] <intelikey> ok try it
[05:39] <omar> guys how to uninstall koffice
[05:41] <intelikey> ok  "controlC0" is first and "timer" is last ?
[05:41] <robotgeek> omar: from adept?
[05:41] <omar> is not there really
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> intelikey,  i got the expansion bay. and more inputs and outputs then I know what to do with - on this card. :P
[05:42] <robotgeek> omar: dpkg -l | grep koffice, and paste in pastebin
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> timer is the last entry.
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> odd how the  116,  0   #'s dont follow in a row.
[05:43] <intelikey> yeah  i'm testing the primaries 116 0    116 1      and 116 33     that should be all this card has
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> thats rather.. hard core. :P
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> lol
[05:44] <intelikey> yeah   so ?
[05:44] <intelikey> :)
[05:44] <omar> robotgeek: I's not working
[05:45] <robotgeek> omar: are you sure you have koffice installed?
[05:46] <omar> I am using it, but i need to open some files and I t can specially presenter
[05:48] <robotgeek> omar: you must definetly have it installed, try looking harder.
[05:49] <omar> you are right, I wrote this sudo apt-get remove koffice
[05:49] <omar> and it told me that koffice is not installed
[05:49] <omar> that's weird 'cos I am using it
[05:49] <Homer> is koffice as good as openoffice
[05:49] <Homer> never used it before
[05:49] <omar> is not good for me
[05:50] <omar> 'cos I have some old files
[05:50] <omar> and it cannot open 'em
[05:50] <omar> however openoffice is too slow fo my machine, I really need another office
[05:50] <omar> which one is better?
[05:51] <firesuite> anyone use automatix?
[05:52] <robotgeek> you might try http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-16beta1.php Koffice 1.6 beta1 omar
[05:52] <omar> I use easyubuntu
[05:52] <omar> almost the same
[05:52] <omar> that's mine
[05:52] <robotgeek> !automatix
[05:52] <ubotu> automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://www.getautomatix.com/ ; For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[05:52] <omar> I download it some days ago
[05:55] <intelikey> ooops modem reset
[05:55] <intelikey> Dr_Willis you'll be pleased to know that fixed it.
[05:55] <intelikey> ty.
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> The Humanity!
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> how did you break it in the first place?
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> :P
[05:56] <intelikey> i installed ubuntu
[05:56] <intelikey> :)
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> You dident RTFM did ya! ;P
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> Would you like your plums pickled?  - Pickled Plums a Favorite in Japan.
[05:57] <intelikey> actually i installed ubuntu hoary  on /dev/sda with no swap then upgraded to dapper in one step ....(the list goes on)... and now it's fixed.
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> Ive herad of a lot of upgrade/nosound afterwards issues
[05:58] <intelikey> well it's no secret that hoary didn't do sound really well.  lots of sound issues there.
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> Ive rarely had sound issues.. other then a few quirks here and there.
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> then there was the time when my 'cutting edge' audigy card wasent supported fully. :)
[06:01] <intelikey> it's an old ess 1688 audio drive   with ide comb  thus i keep it around as long as i can   three ide cables is cool for an eight drive box
[06:02] <richie> hey running an installing for some drivers and its asking me a question i have no idea about can any one help the question is.
[06:03] <robotgeek> richie: what drivers? what is it asking
[06:03] <richie> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[06:03] <richie> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]
[06:03] <richie> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[06:03] <robotgeek> richie: loks like wireless drivers, you need kernel headers
[06:03] <richie> kernal
[06:04] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install linux-headers
[06:04] <intelikey> then try it.
[06:04] <richie> cool thanks
[06:04] <robotgeek> richie, sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[06:04] <intelikey> robotgeek the meta package will get the proper version   no ?
[06:05] <robotgeek> intelikey: the meta does not show up for me in apt-cache, strange
[06:05] <richie> im actually using vmware and having a whole lot of trouble getting the vmware tools running properly
[06:06] <intelikey> robotgeek oh its  linux-headers-[3,6] 86
[06:06] <intelikey> i shorted it  sorry.
[06:07] <robotgeek> intelikey: heh, i am on powerpc :)
[06:07] <royal> ok for mp3 support what repositories should I add or enable?
[06:07] <richie> what is power pc?
[06:07] <robotgeek> royal: universe, see /msg ubotu mp3
[06:08] <intelikey> richie mac
[06:08] <richie> cool
[06:08] <robotgeek> richie: different kind of processors, mostly 'old' apples
[06:08] <Trae> I've downloaded this theme: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=26392  How do I install it?
[06:08] <intelikey> linux-headers-386 - Linux kernel headers on 386
[06:08] <intelikey> linux-headers-686 - Linux kernel headers on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV
[06:08] <intelikey> linux-headers-k7 - Linux kernel headers on AMD K7
[06:09] <intelikey> but i see nothing for mac or k8
[06:09] <robotgeek> intelikey: it would probably not show up for you
[06:09] <robotgeek> architecture based, right
[06:10] <royal> I enabled all the Repositories btw that were disabled after setup
[06:10] <intelikey> robotgeek i'd think the kernel headers would.   they could be used to cross compile stuff....
[06:10] <robotgeek> royal: see the desktop guide, System -> Help, it tell how to install mp3/codecs
[06:10] <royal> ok
[06:11] <royal> tommorow I will put the computer on the internet for the first time since it had windows (it used to be the pC I was using, before I custom built the one I'm using now)
[06:11] <Trae> crap, gmail doesn't like konq
[06:11] <intelikey> the binary kernels are installable...
[06:11] <robotgeek> Trae: unfortunately, you can spoof it with safari's /firefox identification
[06:12] <robotgeek> Trae: Tools -> Browser Identification
[06:12] <royal> so i'm asking if theres any suggested repositories I should add
[06:12] <royal> before I shut it down and swamp out hDDs to install another distro on it
[06:12] <robotgeek> royal: sure, add universe multiverse
[06:12] <royal> to which ones?
[06:12] <royal> all of them?
[06:13] <intelikey> errrr actually i lied, the binary kernels arent visable in my repos... guess you hit it robotgeek
[06:13] <robotgeek> royal: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:14] <intelikey> ok i'm went #
[06:14] <Trae> robotgeek: k.... (that is lame huh?)
[06:15] <robotgeek> Trae: yeah, send email to google. might help, since whatever they are doing is artificial
[06:15] <DaSkreech> What the heck is Gam server for?
[06:15] <Trae> robotgeek: k
[06:15] <robotgeek> DaSkreech: i think , the mouse
[06:16] <DaSkreech> robotgeek: How come I can kil it then?
[06:18] <Trae> robotgeek: you wouldn't know how to install a theme would you?
[06:18] <Trae> heh
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> depends on the theme
[06:18] <Trae> robotgeek: you seem to know all else ;)
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> and what kind of theme it is.
[06:18] <Trae> "Thinking about blue (grey)"
[06:18] <DaSkreech> Trae: Instructions are normally in the theme
[06:18] <Trae> is the name of it.
[06:19] <Trae> hmm
[06:19] <inc|freaky> hi all. im trying to get the ATI driver to work, but it keeps saying something like: (EE) module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1) ... can someone help me?
[06:19] <DaSkreech> Find a README or an install
[06:19] <Trae> this one doesn't seem to have either of those
[06:19] <DaSkreech> Trae: Yeah I know :0
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> I would guess the kernel version/driver version/module versions are not the same inc|freaky
[06:19] <Trae> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=26392
[06:19] <Trae> I thought you used to be able to drag and drop install themes in KDE?
[06:20] <inc|freaky> Dr_Willis: i need a solution ;)
[06:20] <Trae> I seem to recall it having that feature before gnome
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> You can.. but if they are compressed/archived - often the archive contains Several themes, or variants.
[06:20] <Trae> heh
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> so you may need to uncompress the file
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> Plus ive seen themes that are just plainly put together wrongly.
[06:20] <Trae> Dr_Willis: nod, could be the case too.
[06:21] <Trae> could some poor soul try that one theme out to see if it should work?
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> The  ubuntu repos have several dozen+ kde themes you can install as well
[06:21] <Trae> Dr_Willis: oooh
[06:21] <DaSkreech> Dr_Willis: Under what?
[06:21] <Trae> Dr_Willis: what should I apt-get install?
[06:21] <Trae> ;)
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> search for themes. :P
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> theres dozens of them for things.
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> I tend to just use that 'Plastik' theme
[06:22] <Trae> kdeartwork I think
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> there are specific THEME packages as well.
[06:22] <Trae> DaSkreech: yeah apt-get install kdeartwork
[06:23] <Trae> DaSkreech: you may need Universe / Multiverse and stuff in (but you probably know that ;)
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> using the 'smoothblend' theme/decorations right now :P
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> rember that themes are normally made of 3 parts.. ya got the "window decoration" the "widget/button look/effects" then the Icons. :P
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> then ya got the wallpaper/other stuff.
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> heh
[06:25] <DaSkreech> And sounds
[06:25] <DaSkreech> *ducks*
[06:25] <DaSkreech> Ok next question
[06:25] <Trae> root@exultate:~# apt-cache search smoothblend
[06:25] <Trae> root@exultate:~#
[06:26] <Trae> (I get tired of sudo foo... so I do:  sudo su - )
[06:26] <Trae> *chuckle*
[06:26] <DaSkreech>  can you setup Linux to shutdown based on a UPS's power level?
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> Yes you can.
[06:26] <Trae> and no I don't run as root :P
[06:26] <Homer> Dr_Willis, plus aren't many themes now cross desktop?
[06:26] <Homer> eg they theme GTK+ and Qt
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> Homer,  the way they seem to be getting organised. (from what i have seen) is that theres /usr/share/themes diretories
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> and for a speficic 'theme name' (say bubba for example) there will be a subdir in /usr/share/themes/bubba/gtk /usr/share/themes/qt/ /usr/share/theme/fluxbox
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> and so on.
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> they seem to be getting s LOT better organized
[06:28] <DaSkreech> Dr_Willis: That's atta me?
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> but still its often confusing.
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> DaSkreech,  google man :P its doable.
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> That "Ubuntu Hacks" book mentioned 3 different server/daemons to do it.
[06:29] <DaSkreech> OK Next level Of knowledge does it matter which UPS I'm using?
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> yes it matters. :P
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Hmm Sounds useful
[06:29] <DaSkreech> OK good
[06:30] <Kiongku> hey ppl.. know how to add a scanner with parallel port?
[06:31] <skryking> Kiongku: I think it can be done with sane
[06:31] <Kiongku> skryking: is sane a driver or app?
[06:31] <skryking> both
[06:32] <skryking> not sure if it exists on kubuntu...haven't checked
[06:32] <Trae> DaSkreech: can you try a theme for me to see if it's broken or if it'll install please?  http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=26392
[06:32] <Kiongku> ah? how about kooka?
[06:32] <Kiongku> skryking: sane is nto installed by default
[06:32] <skryking> haven't tried it....might have to dig out my old parallel scanner to give it a try
[06:33] <skryking> Kiongku: http://www.sane-project.org/
[06:34] <skryking> it seems to be available if I type sane in adept
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> parallel - ick! :P
[06:36] <Kiongku> how can i check if the scanner is detected by the system?
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> dmesg, perhaps?
[06:38] <Kiongku> hmm
[06:40] <bimberi> Kiongku: what happens if you run Apps -> Graphics -> XSane with it plugged in?
[06:40] <Kiongku> bimberi: does not have xsane.. wait going to fetch it in repos
[06:41] <bimberi> Kiongku: sorry ignore me, that was a gnome-ish question :/
[06:42] <Kiongku> bimberi: ah lol
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Trae: 409 Bytes?
[06:44] <Trae> hah
[06:44] <Trae> that's cool
[06:44] <Trae> I was in xmoto and konversations OSD popped up
[06:45] <Trae> hmmm sec
[06:45] <Trae> 408.0kb
[06:45] <Trae> is what I got
[06:46] <Trae> man... hate to cut and run but I'm flippin' tired!
[06:46] <Trae> DaSkreech: catch you tomorrow
[06:46] <DaSkreech> Trae: Aight
[06:46] <Trae> night
[06:47] <unix_infidel> man i knew i should've just created an archive of my old dapper install instead of just doing a new one :(
[06:47] <punkmexic> hi
[06:47] <punkmexic> anyone alive?
[06:47] <DaSkreech> unix_infidel is grab him
[06:47] <unix_infidel> yay for 4 hours of cp-ing config files and then reconfiguring apps :(
[06:47] <skryking> depends... I've had 1.5 hours sleep in the last 48 hours... don't think I'm alive at this point
[06:47] <punkmexic> i made a hack about swappinness in ubuntu..now i think it will use more of my ram swappinnes was set to 60 and i put it to 10...can that damage my 512 MB RAM? or toast it?
[06:47] <jpiccolo> on the live cd can i change fstab?
[06:48] <unix_infidel> punkmexic: the general rule is to use 1x-2x the physical memory.
[06:48] <unix_infidel> punkmexic: no, adding less swap does not hurt your physical memory.
[06:49] <unix_infidel> only makes memory management more constricted.
[06:49] <abattoir> jpiccolo: the fstab of the livecd or the fstab from an installed system?
[06:49] <skryking> swappiness effects how the virtual memory manager deals with swapping out unused memory
[06:50] <punkmexic> if the general rules is to use 1x-2x then how much i must use ?
[06:50] <abattoir> punkmexic: around 1 GB
[06:50] <abattoir>  2*512 == 1024 ~ GB
[06:51] <abattoir> 2*512=1024 :P
[06:51] <abattoir> doh, screw it
[06:51] <jpiccolo> on the live cd, i am trying to move files on a hard drive, but the hard drive wont mount
[06:51] <punkmexic> abattoir: i have 512 ram..
[06:51] <punkmexic> my swappinness was 60
[06:51] <punkmexic> i dont know what that means
[06:51] <punkmexic> i reduced to 10
[06:51] <punkmexic> and now is faster
[06:52] <punkmexic> but how much will it be good to do it
[06:52] <punkmexic> u say 1 gb but i dont understand that
[06:52] <abattoir> punkmexic: yes, it is generally recommended to have twice the amount of ram as swap(as was said)
[06:52] <skryking> it means it not swap out as much unused pages to allow more cache
[06:52] <abattoir> since you have 512MB, around 1GB is recommended
[06:52] <skryking> swappiness has nothing to do with how much swap space you have
[06:53] <abattoir> jpiccolo: try mounting it manually
[06:53] <jpiccolo> it was saying its not in fstab
[06:53] <skryking> punkmexic: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management#Swappiness_.282.6_kernels.29  good faq about swappiness
[06:54] <punkmexic> thanx skryking
[06:54] <skryking> jpiccolo: mount -t filesystemtype /dev/hda1 /mountpoint
[06:54] <jpiccolo> ok where should i mount it to, / doest seem to be working
[06:55] <skryking> replace hda1 with what ever filesystem you are trying to mount
[06:55] <skryking> make a mount point some where else like /mnt/slash or what ever
[06:55] <jpiccolo> can i on the live cd
[06:55] <jpiccolo> i am booted up with the live cd
[06:55] <DaSkreech> jpiccolo: try under /mnt
[06:56] <skryking> jpiccolo: yeah you can
[06:56] <DaSkreech> Make some folder there
[06:57] <ace> i am having problems with geting juk media player to play mp3 files
[06:57] <DaSkreech> ace: can it play ogg files?
[06:57] <ace> i think so
[06:58] <jpiccolo> freaking awesome, thanks guys
[06:58] <punkmexic> can someone give me a command to play mp3s in my amarok?
[06:58] <punkmexic> to install correct libraries
[06:58] <punkmexic> someone told me about xine codecs..but they cant being downloaded
[06:58] <punkmexic> with adept or terminal i cant download them
[06:59] <skryking> http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#mp3s
[06:59] <jpiccolo> ok can i take the cd out when booted up with the live cd
[06:59] <skryking> no
[07:00] <skryking> the cd is mounted as /
[07:01] <jpiccolo> live cd has usb support, right?
[07:06] <halfbloodprince> hello people
[07:07] <insanekane> hello halfbloodprince
[07:08] <halfbloodprince> hey insanekane, how's it going?
[07:08] <insanekane> halfbloodprince: its ok
[07:09] <insanekane> halfbloodprince: you ?
[07:09] <halfbloodprince> i'm alright
[07:10] <obf213> so when are they coming out with the nxt harry potter anyways halfbloodprince
[07:10] <halfbloodprince> 2007
[07:10] <halfbloodprince> july
[07:10] <insanekane> didnt you hear ?  It down, or is my browser messed up?
[07:12] <obf213> its your browser
[07:12] <sabaal> Lovely.
[07:12] <insanekane> sabaal: kde-look works fine
[07:12] <sabaal> *Kicks computer.*
[07:12] <skryking> sabaal: looks ok to me
[07:12] <halfbloodprince> it's working fine
[07:12] <halfbloodprince> although i dont like a lot of the themes there :(
[07:12] <obf213> wait guys it looks even better than ok it looks amazing.
[07:13] <obf213> to bad sabaal your missin' out
[07:13] <halfbloodprince> hahaha
[07:13] <sabaal> obf213: Yeah, I know. I've got some clipart there I've got to check in on. :\
[07:14] <obf213> o i c. i dont understand why i t would work
[07:14] <obf213> is ur browser not working at all
[07:14] <obf213> konqi or firefox
[07:14] <sabaal> No, every other site works fine. On both browsers.
[07:14] <obf213> o
[07:14] <sabaal> But no kde-look.
[07:14] <sabaal> *Cries.*
[07:15] <skryking> clean out your cache file
[07:16] <sabaal> skryking: Alright, I'll give that a try...
[07:18] <halfbloodprince> did it work?
[07:19] <sabaal> *Sigh.* Nope. Neither browser. Konqueror's giving me a "timeout on server", and Firefox just keeps pretending to load something.
[07:20] <punkmexic> is it normal to have lots of repeated instances of lots of programs in kubuntu in the processtable?
[07:20] <punkmexic> i see like 9 times mor than in a normal windowsxp session
[07:21] <sabaal> punkmexic: I've never met a Linux distro that didn't give me, like, 400 of the same app or two. Doesn't seem to affect performance.
[07:21] <sabaal> Im'a say it's alright. :P
[07:21] <sabaal> I wonder if I should gripe to my ISP about this kde-look thing...
[07:26] <jpiccolo> what tools do i need to write to ntfs
[07:27] <skryking> jpiccolo: windows :P
[07:27] <jpiccolo> not an option
[07:27] <jpiccolo> he
[07:27] <sabaal> Then there's not much need for ntfs, now is there? :P
[07:27] <skryking> then why use ntfs if your not using windows?
[07:28] <skryking> punkmexic: which application?
[07:28] <jpiccolo> i have an old hd thats ntfs
[07:28] <punkmexic> > getty
[07:28] <punkmexic> [23:22]  <punkmexic> hald-addon-store
[07:28] <punkmexic> [23:22]  <punkmexic> kiohttp
[07:28] <punkmexic> these one skryking
[07:29] <punkmexic> i need a mirror to download   libxine-extracodecs
[07:29] <punkmexic> cuz i cant download them from terminal
[07:29] <punkmexic> or adept
[07:29] <punkmexic> i see them in adept
[07:29] <punkmexic> but i cant download them
[07:29] <punkmexic> or maybe someone could give me an alternative repository?
[07:29] <obf213> my computer doesnt restart anymore
[07:29] <seth> http://packages.ubuntu.com/libxine-extracodecs
[07:29] <obf213> wht did i do it just shuts itselfoff
[07:30] <seth> punkmexic, specifically, http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fmultiverse%2Fx%2Fxine-extracodecs%2Flibxine-extracodecs_1.1.1%2Bubuntu1-2_i386.deb&md5sum=5512ee45d3d0c9dd30f2588512729aa8&arch=i386&type=main
[07:30] <punkmexic> seth:
[07:31] <punkmexic> i have 48 hours trying to learn how to find these .deb packages in packages.ubuntu.com but i dont know how to i only find source code
[07:31] <punkmexic> teach me
[07:31] <jin> anyone know how to change the permission of a specific directory from root to user?
[07:31] <seth> punkmexic, see for example this page: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/libs/libxine-extracodecs
[07:31] <sabaal> jin: Gonna have to be root to do it.
[07:31] <seth> then where it says "Download libxine-extracodecs"
[07:31] <seth> punkmexic, click i386
[07:31] <ironfroggy> is there any way such that when firefox downloads something to a file, which is on a remote store, that i could get it to invoke an external command to perform that download
[07:32] <sabaal> jin: Run "kdesu konqueror", then change it through settings as normal.
[07:32] <ironfroggy> basically, im wanting to avoid downloading just to upload to the remote store.
[07:32] <sabaal> jin: Or properties, or whatever.
[07:32] <ironfroggy> and would rather use a script to trigger a download directly to that box.
[07:33] <skryking> I wish zfs was ported to linux already
[07:33] <unix_infidel> use it with a virtual server.
[07:33] <ironfroggy> what good is it
[07:33] <sabaal> I wish I knew what zfs was. :P
[07:33] <unix_infidel> !zfs
[07:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about zfs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:33] <unix_infidel> its just a file system developed by sun microsystems.
[07:34] <skryking> suns new filesystem
[07:34] <jin> anyone know how to change the permission of a specific directory from root to user?
[07:34] <unix_infidel> supposed to be really good, and overcomes a lot of limitations by standard FS
[07:34] <seth> jin, with terminal or without?
[07:34] <sabaal> Limitations? Like what?
[07:34] <jin> with terminal
[07:34] <skryking> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/
[07:35] <seth> jin, "sudo chown -R yourname: thedir/"
[07:35] <seth> replace yourname with your username
[07:35] <seth> make sure to include the colon
[07:35] <jin> oo ok. thanx
[07:35] <jin> ok2
[07:36] <ironfroggy> even if zfs was on lnux, it wont be all tha useful until applications take advantage of some of its more interesting features.
[07:36] <skryking> true
[07:36] <unix_infidel> skryking: the only reason for zfs is a server. and if you need it that bad on linux, run it with a guest OS.
[07:37] <ironfroggy> and even then, zfs just doesnt go far enough
[07:37] <skryking> not so much that I need it as I'm interested in tearing through the code to see how its implemented
[07:37] <ironfroggy> we really need to get away from filesystems completely.
[07:37] <unix_infidel> ironfroggy: ??
[07:37] <ironfroggy> file systems suck.
[07:37] <skryking> ironfroggy?
[07:37] <skryking> lol
[07:37] <ironfroggy> files and directories are incredably limiting
[07:37] <sabaal> The alternative?
[07:38] <unix_infidel> ironfroggy: as opposed to cybernetic containers?
[07:38] <unix_infidel> not binary, but physiochemical signals :P?
[07:38] <ironfroggy> sabaal: something
[07:38] <skryking> live perpetual objects instead of files
[07:38] <sabaal> Quadrinary?
[07:38] <ironfroggy> either perpetual objects or a dynamic-relative-DB
[07:38] <punkmexic> how does kubuntu stability gets if if i add xfce, fluxbox and icewm
[07:39] <seth> punkmexic, KDE is not affected by your installation of other WMs
[07:39] <punkmexic> is it affected or get aad
[07:39] <punkmexic> bad
[07:39] <seth> while I cannot speak for the stability of the other WMs, none of them will in any way affect each other
[07:39] <punkmexic> will i have trouble with kde kicker and other wms?
[07:40] <punkmexic> will i neeed special commands
[07:40] <ironfroggy> unless they include system("rm -fr /") in their code somewhere
[07:41] <sabaal> Alright, I'm off to collect more problems for you guys to solve for me. :P
[07:41] <skryking> i prefer the old dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/hda bs=512
[07:49] <lwrot>
[07:49] <jin> dd is used to create an iso from a cd right?
[07:50] <skryking> dd is used to make binary copies of whatever is in the if= parameter to whatever is in the of= parameter
[07:50] <GullyFoyle> the livecd wont recognize either my soundcard or my network card
[07:51] <ironfroggy> is there a way to specify that if one network interface is available to use it exclusively over the other?
[07:52] <jin> so? can we used dd to create an iso from a cd?
[07:52] <ironfroggy> i want to have my wireless connection avoided so long as my wired connection remains.
[07:52] <skryking> jin: yes
[07:52] <skryking> I believe
[07:52] <ironfroggy> ISO is slightly more than a raw disc image, isnt it?
[07:52] <jin> hoo ok. but how?
[07:52] <skryking> ironfroggy: yeah
[07:52] <ironfroggy> includes things like CD label?
[07:53] <ironfroggy> which means a dd from a CD wont be an "iso" is that sense.
[07:53] <skryking> dd if=/dev/hdc of=cdrom.iso
[07:53] <skryking> dd will get the label
[07:53] <ironfroggy> ah, because the label is stored within the image itself.
[07:53] <skryking> or do you mean the graphic label
[07:53] <ironfroggy> no i meant the name
[07:53] <skryking> yeah it would be in the image
[07:54] <skryking> replace /dev/hdc with whatever device your cd is on
[07:54] <skryking> I think that works
[07:54] <jin> oow ok. thanx
[07:55] <ironfroggy> is OO.o Database compatible with Access/Jet?
[07:56] <punkmexic> any logitech quickcam messenger  webcam tutorial?
[07:56] <|lostbyte|> Good Morning, Kubuntuer's :)
[08:02] <skreech_> Is there a dcop signal I can send to kate to get it to save all?
[08:02] <ironfroggy> probably. have you looked through its interfaces?
[08:03] <skreech_> ironfroggy: How?
[08:03] <ironfroggy> kdcop is an easytway to browse through dcop stuff.
[08:03] <skreech_> KDE is dead
[08:04] <skreech_> The mouse moves but doesn't interact with anything The keyboard is dead and kwin died
[08:05] <skreech_> I have a set of notes in kate I Need to save
[08:05] <ironfroggy> ah, i see, and you are trying to ssh in or something to trigger a save?
[08:06] <skryking> skreech_: I'm looking at it
[08:06] <skreech_> ironfroggy: No I'm on another terminal
[08:07] <skreech_> I can do things like Alt+Ctrl+V to pop up Klipper or Alt+Ctrl+F<n>
[08:07] <skreech_> Though I think the klipper thing is what is messing with the mouse
[08:07] <skreech_> skryking: THanks :)
[08:08] <ironfroggy> well just explore dcop with tab competion if you cant get a working X session
[08:08] <ironfroggy> dcop kate<tab> <enter> will give you a list of things available from kate through dcop
[08:09] <skreech_> Couldn't attach to DCOP server!!
[08:10] <skryking> would close all documents force a save?
[08:10] <skreech_> I can't :)
[08:11] <skryking> I don't see a dcop method to save file in kate
[08:12] <skreech_> Ah well
[08:12] <skreech_>  Alt+Ctrl+Esc
[08:12] <skreech_> Sure Hope I remember those people's names :-(
[08:12] <cvt> i got a virus from a link and now konqueror doesn't work. how can this be?
[08:13] <skryking> you got a virus?
[08:13] <cvt> yes
[08:13] <skryking> interesting...
[08:13] <skryking> send a copy of it to me :)
[08:13] <jin> how do u know its a virus?
[08:13] <cvt> ok...
[08:13] <DaSkreech> It said Virus.exe :)
[08:14] <skryking> I've been trying to catch a virus on my linux box for a while... I did manage to give wine a virus once though
[08:14] <punkmexic> ANYONE know repositories for came, cameramonitor, easycam2 , camorama, gqcam, ov511-source  , spca5xx-source'???
[08:14] <jin> ah? ur using linux right? then how can an exe is activated in linux other than windows?
[08:15] <skryking> could associate it with wine
[08:15] <cvt> skryking,  the problem is i can't retieve the link b/c konqueror is broken
[08:15] <cvt> i'll keep trying to get to my logs to find it somehow
[08:15] <cvt> how can i access my logs without konqueror?
[08:16] <IceKnight> cvt: the old way -- use the terminal. Everything has to be somewhere.
[08:16] <skryking> go look in .kde/share/apps/konqueror
[08:16] <DaSkreech> !info easycam2
[08:16] <ubotu> Package easycam2 does not exist in any distro I know
[08:17] <skryking> anyone ever try getting solaris 10 to work inside vmware workstation?
[08:18] <cvt> skryking,  how to i open the log without konqueror--i don't know how?
[08:20] <Jucato> cvt: what log are you looking for?
[08:20] <cvt> chatlog
[08:20] <Jucato> from Konversation?
[08:20] <DaSkreech> vi?
[08:20] <cvt> xchat
[08:21] <Jucato> hm... well, first you have to locate where XChat keeps its logs. then you can simply open them in Kate
[08:21] <cvt> it was posted in an irc channel when i was using xchat
[08:21] <cvt> ~/.xchat2/
[08:21] <Jucato> cvt: then just open the log file in Kate. it's just a text file anyway
[08:25] <cvt> the url didn't look like this but  this is one that appears to have a similar effect:
[08:25] <cvt> ..../!\ malicious link detected /!\ http://strippers.on.nimp.org
[08:26] <cvt> the url i had did not say that or have a picture
[08:30] <DaSkreech> Someone was mentioning a 6.06.2?
[08:31] <DaSkreech> I wasn't aware they had plans of that sort
[08:32] <jin> cvt: have u found the virus yet?
[08:34] <kellor> hi...can someone tell me of a command that prints the kernel version
[08:34] <kellor> please
[08:34] <Jucato> uname -r
[08:35] <kellor> thanks
[08:36] <InteliWasp> what do i need to do to get my mouse forward/back buttons to work?
[08:37] <DaSkreech> !logitech
[08:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about logitech - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:38] <DaSkreech> Damn :)
[08:39] <cvt> my pc just froze because of that virus
[08:39] <arunkale> how do i play wmv files?
[08:40] <DaSkreech> !w32codecs
[08:40] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:40] <keldon> hi all
[08:40] <keldon> I'm a semi-newbie
[08:40] <keldon> just wanted to ask about installing jdk
[08:40] <DaSkreech> !java
[08:40] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[08:41] <arunkale> DaSkreech: i have installed w32codecs
[08:41] <keldon> thanks
[08:41] <DaSkreech> arunkale: MIght be a DRMed wmv?
[08:41] <arunkale> not likely
[08:42] <keldon> also another thing, I installed firefox using Adept, and although I created my own shortcut icon, does't adept handle this automaticall
[08:42] <keldon> y
[08:42] <DaSkreech> keldon: Should
[08:43] <Jucato> keldon: the system doesn't put icons on the desktop by default
[08:44] <DaSkreech> keldon: Wait on the Desktop or the start menu?
[08:44] <keldon> the start menu
[08:44] <arunkale> DaSkreech: I should play it using Kaffeine, right?
[08:44] <DaSkreech> arunkale: Yup
[08:45] <InteliWasp> !mouse
[08:45] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[08:45] <Jucato> keldon: ah that one, sometimes K Menu is bugged that way. but it will be added eventually (usually when you log out), but to refresh the menu manually, run this command "kbuildsycoca --incremental" and ignore the error messages
[08:45] <NuTuKubuntu> hello
[08:46] <cvt> ./!\ Malicious link detected ./!\. http://nig.gr/105g   /!\ Malicious link detected /!\
[08:46] <arunkale> DaSkreech: the error when i try to play wmv files using kaffeine is 'A problem occur while loading a library or a decoder: wmvdmod.dll'
[08:46] <DaSkreech> Well it's finding the dll it seems
[08:47] <arunkale> so what do i do?
[08:48] <arunkale> Should I get Xine or mplayer or something
[08:48] <keldon> ok thanks
[08:48] <DaSkreech> Well you are using the Xine engine
[08:48] <kellor> does the make command not exist in ubuntu?
[08:48] <Jucato> kellor: not by default
[08:48] <Jucato> install "build-essential"
[08:48] <kellor> whatis it's equiv?
[08:48] <cvt> who was helping me with that virus?
[08:48] <DaSkreech> kellor: Install build-essential
[08:48] <chrisoverly> Hello I need some help
[08:49] <NuTuKubuntu> I have a question regarding linix programs.  I have a friend who was using a really nice flow chart / diagram program.  I cannot remember what it is called.  Is there a popular choice for a "Visio" linux alternative
[08:49] <DaSkreech> chrisoverly: Ask
[08:49] <jin> anyone know how to start an proftpd, i was shutting the ftp server using the command ftpshut and now i just cant seem to start the proftpd
[08:49] <InteliWasp> oh crap... adept won't start...
[08:50] <chrisoverly> How do I install programs on linux sounds like a dumb question I know lol
[08:50] <kellor> so if i was following a walk through that says "make install" I should type build-essential?
[08:50] <Jucato> NuTuKubuntu: you could try installing Kivio. but I think OpenOffice.org Drawing is installed by default, too
[08:50] <NuTuKubuntu> chrisoverly:  sudo apt-get install programnamehere
[08:50] <kellor> trying to use ndiswrapper...
[08:50] <InteliWasp> kivio is installed by default
[08:50] <bimberi_> NuTuKubuntu: kivio is one, dia is another (although it's gtk)
[08:50] <DaSkreech> chrisoverly: Open Adept
[08:51] <chrisoverly> well I installed something called wine but can not find it where would it be
[08:51] <kellor> trying to get an old desktop online using a usb wireless adapter
[08:51] <NuTuKubuntu> the one my buddy was using was on a mac.  He said its open source and available for linux too.  I want to say it was freeform or something simmilar
[08:51] <Jucato> kellor: no. installing build-essential will install the packages you need to compile. you will then be able to use "make" and "make install"
[08:51] <DaSkreech> chrisoverly: wine is pretty much a command line app
[08:52] <chrisoverly> oh ok lol
[08:52] <chrisoverly> guess thats not going to work for me lol
[08:52] <chrisoverly> I like GUI
[08:52] <chrisoverly> lol
[08:52] <kellor> i see
[08:52] <bimberi_> NuTuKubuntu: there's freemind, it's a mind mapping tool
[08:52] <DaSkreech> chrisoverly: It's not that bad :)
[08:52] <chrisoverly> when my firefox gets done installing where will it go???//
[08:52] <kellor> but since that box is not online and my only net connection is this XP laptop I'm SOL...(?)
[08:52] <Jucato> chrisoverly: well, it's the only alternative you have. but you can also right-click on an .exe file and choose Open With then type in "wine". but some programs would work if you start it from the comand line
[08:53] <DaSkreech> chrisoverly: Check in the Internet section of the start menu
[08:53] <kellor> command line is fun after a while
[08:53] <kellor> like driving a stick-shift...
[08:54] <kellor> once you learn you don't go back :)
[08:54] <chrisoverly> linux is all new to me thanks so much
[08:54] <NuTuKubuntu> bimberi_:  THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   freemind, that is it.  I need it for a college class.
[08:54] <NuTuKubuntu> thanks
[08:54] <bimberi_> NuTuKubuntu: np :)
[08:54] <DaSkreech> freemind pretty much rocks
[08:55] <bimberi_> that it does :)
[08:55] <jin> anyone know how to start proftpd, i was shutting the ftp server using the command ftpshut and now i just cant seem to start the proftpd
[08:55] <InteliWasp> how do i force a proccess to restart, namely the adept notifier
[08:55] <NuTuKubuntu> yeah, I am a senior getting my BS in Computer Engineering and we have a huge final project that I need to do some documentation on, and my friend was showing it to me and It looked perfect
[08:56] <kellor> so with out installing build essential I can't make install, right?
[08:56] <keldon> ok, I followed the instructions on help.ubuntu.com, added the multitude repository, but when I tried "sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jdk", it said that it couldn't find the package
[08:57] <DaSkreech> kellor: Right
[08:57] <kellor> damn...
[08:57] <DaSkreech> keldon: You may want to try multiverse
[08:57] <Jucato> kellor: yes
[08:57] <DaSkreech> kellor: It's not that hard :)
[08:57] <Jucato> catch-22..
[08:57] <DaSkreech> kellor: Ah wait no net?
[08:58] <DaSkreech> You have Internet on this computer?
[08:58] <kellor> nope...well only a slow wireless on my XP laptop
[08:58] <bimberi_> NuTuKubuntu: if you need to print from it, make sure you check its printing capabilities before you commit to using it
[08:58] <DaSkreech>  But no network access to the other computer?
[08:58] <kellor> just dumpstered an old dell desktop...
[08:58] <kellor> DaSkreech: right
[08:58] <keldon> lol, sorry typo, but I did add multiverse
[08:59] <keldon> i have a net connection
[08:59] <kellor> using a home made parabolic antenna to get free wifi from a bank a block down the street
[08:59] <kellor> 11 Mbps :)
[09:00] <kellor> any ideas
[09:00] <Jucato> keldon: after you added multiverse, did you "sudo apt-get update" first before trying to install?
[09:00] <kellor> ?
[09:00] <keldon> no, let me try that
[09:00] <tchung> hi
[09:00] <jin> keldon: y dont u just download them from "sun.java.com" n install them manually
[09:00] <DaSkreech> kellor: You need drivers >_<
[09:00] <tchung> I need to extract a .tar file
[09:00] <tchung> how would you do it?
[09:01] <DaSkreech> jin: cause apt-get is way easier?
[09:01] <kellor> BTW is there a command that will tell me if the machine has usb 2.0?
[09:01] <Jucato> no to mention safer...
[09:01] <DaSkreech> tar -xzvf tar.gz
[09:01] <DaSkreech> Oh wait. tar?
[09:01] <tchung> it is just a .tar
[09:01] <tchung> yea
[09:01] <DaSkreech> tar -xvf tar.tar
[09:01] <tchung> ta
[09:01] <Jucato> or just use Ark...
[09:01] <DaSkreech> heehee
[09:01] <Jucato> :p
[09:02] <jin> DaSkreech: but i exp some trouble when installing them from apt-get
[09:02] <DaSkreech> jin: Did you update-alternatives java?
[09:02] <jin> yup
[09:02] <Jucato> jin: what problems did you run into?
[09:02] <jin> yet i cant seem to get the env var for my java
[09:03] <tchung> it works.. Thx
[09:03] <jin> jucato: that java is used to run my server (jboss n other stuff)
[09:04] <Jucato> ah
[09:04] <keldon> jin: I did download jdk, but it's something that is supported so it would be nice to use the automatic installation
[09:04] <tchung> tchung, tchung
[09:04] <keldon> well i've installed jdk manually now since I already downloaded it
[09:05] <keldon> only it installs in the directory you was in when you ran it, so now I have jdk on my desktop
[09:06] <jin> keldon: then its up to u. but for me its much more convinient to intall them manually, especially if u want to start a server using java base
[09:06] <tchung> how to send a whisper? anyone?
[09:06] <jin> keldon: then whats the problem?
[09:06] <DaSkreech> In IRC?
[09:06] <Jucato> anyone here knows how to setup Samba in Kubuntu so I could share with XP on VMWare? networking/samba noob here...
[09:06] <DaSkreech> !samba
[09:06] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[09:07] <tchung> yes in IRC
[09:07] <keldon> jin: well there is no problem now, but it has installed to my desktop
[09:07] <keldon> so when i get back i'll have to sort that out
[09:07] <Jucato> DaSkreech: would those work for VMWare too?
[09:07] <keldon> but you guys have been great, thanks for your help
[09:08] <keldon> gtg bye
[09:11] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Why not?
[09:11] <tchung> how to whisper in IRC? anyone?
[09:11] <DaSkreech> tchung: First of all you should mostly speak in the main channel
[09:11] <DaSkreech>  To help others aswell as not pester one person
[09:11] <tchung> DaSkreech: How to do something like that?
[09:11] <Jucato> DaSkreech: heh, I don't know. that's the "networking/samba noob here" part of my question )
[09:11] <DaSkreech> Second you should ask if you can PM someone before you do it
[09:12] <DaSkreech> tchung: then to speak to somone you type /pm person message
[09:22] <jin> anyone know how to start proftpd?
[09:24] <Peloto> im tring to instal gstreamer0.8-mad_0.8.8-1ubuntu4_i386.deb
[09:25] <Peloto> so I can play mp3's but when I double click it on my decktop it tells me it isnt in my PATH
[09:25] <Admiral_Chicago> Peloto, do it from the command line
[09:25] <Peloto> what's that mean?
[09:25] <Admiral_Chicago> open up konsole
[09:25] <Jucato> Peloto: you don't need to install gstreamer to play MP3 in Kubuntu
[09:25] <Peloto> ok
[09:25] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: he will need libxine-extracodecs
[09:25] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato, i know that
[09:25] <Admiral_Chicago> but i figured i'd educate him
[09:26] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: oh sorry :)
[09:26] <Admiral_Chicago> on command like
[09:26] <Jucato> carry on :)
[09:26] <Admiral_Chicago> line*
[09:26] <Peloto> yes please
[09:26] <Peloto> I like the line
[09:26] <Admiral_Chicago> Peloto, open up console
[09:26] <Peloto> done
[09:26] <Admiral_Chicago> type cd /home/user/Desktop
[09:26] <Peloto> cd'ed into my decktop
[09:26] <Peloto> done
[09:26] <Admiral_Chicago> Peloto, good
[09:27] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo dpkg -i gstreamer0.8-mad_0.8.8-1ubuntu4_i386.deb
[09:27] <Admiral_Chicago> that is how you install a .deb in Kubuntu
[09:27] <Peloto>  dpkg -i
[09:27] <Admiral_Chicago> to install the library you need, the command is "sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs"
[09:27] <Peloto> many many thanks
[09:28] <Admiral_Chicago> no problem
[09:28] <Peloto> that wont work for me...alas the box is not online...
[09:28] <Peloto> can I download it and transfer it via flash drive?
[09:28] <Jucato> Peloto: libxine-extracodecs is in multiverse. or you could download it from packages.ubuntu.com
[09:29] <DaSkreech> Peloto: Yes :)
[09:30] <Peloto> excellent...
[09:30] <Jucato> DaSkreech: thanks for the links to samba from ubotu. unfortunately it presumes that I already know how to setup a network, or that there's already an existing one...
[09:30] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Well doesn't VMware have fake interfaces?
[09:31] <Jucato> DaSkreech: heh... I guess I have to make clear the "networking/samba noob" part :)
[09:31] <Jucato> :P
[09:31] <josef> hello
[09:32] <Jucato> hi josef
[09:32] <josef> hey jucato
[09:32] <josef> jucato how are you
[09:32] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato, i don't like the documentation for SAMBA
[09:32] <Admiral_Chicago> too complicated
[09:32] <Jucato> josef:
[09:32] <Admiral_Chicago> there is a GUI tool but that is relatively obscure too
[09:32] <Jucato> josef: I'm fine. thanks :)
[09:32] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: heh... I have -50% knowledge about networking, much less samba...
[09:33] <josef> jucato i have a question for you...
[09:33] <kellor> thats better
[09:33] <DaSkreech> Admiral_Chicago: It's on Linux of course it's complicated :)
[09:33] <DaSkreech> !ask
[09:33] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:34] <Jucato> anyone here knows how to setup Samba in Kubuntu so I could share with XP on VMWare? total and absolute networking/samba noob here...
[09:34] <josef> ok i looking for a program that can play sony playstation does anybody know it
[09:34] <kellor> so as I said earlier...im trying to get an old dell online....running breezy...my only way of getting online is via a usb wireless adapter...
[09:34] <Jucato> josef: PS 1? ePSXe.
[09:34] <josef> jucato PS1
[09:34] <Jucato> josef: there's a guide in the forums on how to install it. no official guide from Ubuntu
[09:35] <Jucato> hi jono! :)
[09:35] <jono> hey Jucato :)
[09:35] <kellor> need to get ndiswrapper on it but I can't make install it...
[09:35] <kellor> and I can't install build essential wih out being online...
[09:35] <kellor> any ideas?
[09:36] <josef> jucato i will search in the forums
[09:36] <Jucato> jono: advanced happy birthday! (in case I forget on sunday) :D
[09:38] <kellor> no luck, eh
[09:38] <jono> Jucato, thanks! :)
[09:38] <Jucato> kellor: there is a way... but you'd probably have to download the Alternate Install CD...
[09:38] <kellor> alternate install cd, huh
[09:38] <kellor> tell me more...please
[09:39] <Jucato> kellor: basically, you can use the Alternate Install CD as an offline repository. and it contains build-essential. so you could use it to install build-essential without an internet connection
[09:39] <kellor> i see
[09:39] <Jucato> the downside is, you have download another CD size image...
[09:39] <DaSkreech> kellor: You can download the debs somewhere and install them
[09:40] <DaSkreech> Or do that thing that Jucato said
[09:40] <DaSkreech> hi chrisoverly
[09:40] <Jucato> DaSkreech: problem would be dependencies..
[09:40] <chrisoverly> how do I install flashplayer
[09:40] <kellor> excellent...
[09:40] <chrisoverly> I downloaded it just dont know how to install it
[09:40] <DaSkreech> Jucato: And being a pain in the buttocks
[09:40] <DaSkreech> !flash
[09:40] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:40] <chrisoverly> I have to do it through command prompt
[09:40] <Jucato> yeah that too....
[09:41] <Jucato> chrisoverly: install the package "flashplugin-nonfree" from the multiverse repos
[09:41] <chrisoverly> where is that at?
[09:41] <Jucato> !repos
[09:41] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:41] <kellor> well thanks again for the info...I appreiciate it VERY much
[09:41] <kellor> goodnight!
[09:41] <Jucato> follow that guide ^^
[09:42] <chrisoverly> can some one help me
[09:42] <Jucato> chrisoverly: have you tried following that guide?
[09:43] <chrisoverly> how do I Navigate to a directory.
[09:43] <Jucato> it tells you how to enable the multiverse repository so that you could install Flash (flashplugin-nonfree)
[09:44] <chrisoverly> HOW DO I NAVIGATE TO A DIRECTORY
[09:44] <Jucato> "cd <directory_name>"
[09:44] <chrisoverly> thanks
[09:44] <chrisoverly> same as dos
[09:46] <arunkale> Jucato: After I install Wine, is it supposed to show up in the kmenu?
[09:46] <Jucato> arunkale:  nope.
[09:46] <Jucato> since it's more of a command line program
[09:46] <arunkale> okay
[09:47] <Jucato> arunkale: you use it with "wine <windows executable>"
[09:47] <arunkale> ah yeah, i know that part