[01:10] <rick_h> ok, hourly backups to the nas...now I feel all grown up
[01:12] <rick_h> man, I really can't seem to get it to top 5MB/s
[01:44] <rick_h> snap-l: heh, so this thing has an app for streaming files to a logitech squeezebox
[01:45] <widox> rick_h: did you get a new NAS?
[01:45] <rick_h> widox: yea
[01:46] <rick_h> usb drive full and needed larger drives anyway
[01:46] <widox> which model?
[01:46] <rick_h> DS212J
[01:46] <widox> I should update mine...
[01:46] <widox> its a few years old
[01:47] <rick_h> there was a big thread about various nas devices at work pushed me over the edge
[01:47] <rick_h> hopefully this helps, need to setup the wife's laptop to it
[01:49] <widox> hows the sound? I hate those small buzzing fans some models come with
[01:49] <rick_h> it's got a single decent size fan in the back, not a small one
[01:49] <rick_h> the disks grinding are louder than the fan
[01:50] <rick_h> and got a pair of 2TB 5400 rpm disks so they're not horrible
[01:52] <snap-l> rick_h: So, when are you getting a Squeezebox? :)
[01:53] <rick_h> snap-l: heh, just got the nas so have to reset the toy funds
[01:53] <snap-l> I'm talking about 'em at MDLUG on Saturday in case you need a demo
[01:53] <rick_h> but getting closer
[01:53] <snap-l> rick_h: You can run Squeezeslave now. :)
[01:53] <rick_h> meh, point is to run it upstairs away from all the computers
[01:53] <snap-l> http://sourceforge.net/projects/softsqueeze/files/squeezeslave/squeezeslave-1.2.311/
[01:54] <snap-l> http://sourceforge.net/projects/softsqueeze/files/squeezeslave/squeezeslave-1.2.311/squeezeslave-1.2-311-lnx26.tar.gz/download
[01:54] <snap-l> rick_h: So now you have a use for that netbook. ;)
[01:54] <snap-l> rick_h: There's also an Android app
[01:55] <snap-l> http://www.appbrain.com/app/squeeze-player/de.bluegaspode.squeezeplayer
[01:57] <snap-l> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.bluegaspode.squeezeplayer
[02:02] <rick_h> hmm, can you rsync from one remote to another remote through a 3rd party?
[02:02] <snap-l> rick_h: Not sure I follow
[02:03] <rick_h> from my desktop I want to backup my ec2 server to my nas
[02:03] <snap-l> Hm, I think you can do that
[02:05] <rick_h> The source and destination cannot both be remote.
[02:05] <rick_h> :(
[02:05] <snap-l> rick_h: Bummer
[02:05] <widox> heh, "Supported Clients: Ubuntu 9.04 onward"
[02:06] <widox> rick_h: I hope you set up Wordpres on it too!
[02:06] <rick_h> well, I guess if I setup auto rsync to my desktiop, and make sure it then rsyncs that dir during its backup I'll be ok
[02:06] <rick_h> widox: yea, it's a bit of hit/miss. the setup isn't as smooth as you'd like
[02:07] <rick_h> but you can ssh, install apps, etc
[02:07] <rick_h> so it's not horrible as long as you know a little bit
[02:07] <rick_h> I'm bummed at the speeds though, I've got the slow model, but maxing out cpu at 5MB/s and online it says it did 30
[02:08] <rick_h> but I did get the 'cheap' model
[02:08] <widox> hm
[02:08] <widox> 30 and 5 is quite the diff
[02:09] <rick_h> yea, now that was "windows upload" so guessing not rsync
[02:09] <rick_h> and the cpu thing is saying each rsync (running two) is eating 30% cpu
[02:09] <rick_h> so maybe however they did the windows transfer was less cpu intensive?
[02:10] <snap-l> rsync is very CPU intensive
[02:10] <snap-l> So you may be taxing it because it has to check the destination first
[02:11] <widox> hah, "The performance figures are achieved in Synology lab by using very powerful client computers with extremely optimized network settings, and could vary on different environments. A regular office desktop/notebook may not be able to achieve this high performance figures."
[02:11] <rick_h> yea, I'll test some downloads out of it I guess, and get around to setting up some smb/nfs and see how that does
[02:11] <snap-l> widox: snort
[02:11] <rick_h> I mean, 5MB/s is ok. I've backed up my whole laptop so far, and working through my old 500GB backup disk
[02:11] <rick_h> and it's fast enough for doing most things I'll want out of it, but just disappointing
[02:11] <snap-l> rick_h: You may also be disk bound
[02:11] <snap-l> 5400RPM isn't that fast
[02:12] <rick_h> snap-l: shouldn't be, 30GB/s on those
[02:12] <snap-l> 3.0Gb/s
[02:12] <snap-l> SATA 2?
[02:13] <snap-l> er SATA?
[02:13] <rick_h> snap-l: right, sorry, Interface: SATA 3.0Gbps Max. External Transfer Rate: 300 MB/s
[02:13] <rick_h> swapped a G/M there
[02:13] <snap-l> Which is theoretical
[02:13] <snap-l> you're never going to see that speed
[02:13] <rick_h> oh definitely
[02:13] <snap-l> You're probably pushing more like 178MB/s
[02:13] <rick_h> but I was hoping to get closer to the 30MB the synology site demo'd
[02:14] <snap-l> and if you're ding RAID, it's also going to be CPU bound if they don't support it in Hardware.
[02:14] <rick_h> gigabit is maxed out 125MBish, disks 150ish
[02:14] <rick_h> synology says 30ish
[02:14] <rick_h> I'm hitting 5
[02:14] <rick_h> thus disappoint :(
[02:15] <rick_h> but still, 2TB, on the network, low power, raid1 ... all yummy bits
[02:15] <snap-l> Bad Drive?
[02:15] <rick_h> no, cpu is at 100%, I'm sure I'm maxing out the devive
[02:15] <rick_h> device
[02:17] <rick_h> http://uploads.mitechie.com/new_nas.png
[02:20] <rick_h> anyway, let it finish while I sleep. See you guys at mug tomorrow
[02:21] <rick_h> ugh, so 13GB/hr so far and the old backup drive is 400+GB which works out to over 36 hours
[02:22] <widox> oo, you can write web apps for it, http://www.synology.com/support/3rd_party_app_int.php?lang=enu
[02:23] <rick_h> interesting, it runs php so that's one thing you could do
[02:36] <jrwren> wiat? you got a slow synology?
[02:37] <jrwren> synology is just linux. if you root it you can run pretty much anything.
[02:38] <jrwren> but, lol @ 13GB/hr. I do 13GB in about 2-3 minutes
[11:34] <rick_h> snap-l: remind me I've got 2 cmd lines for tonight
[11:56] <rick_h> rst2html.py mug_notes.rts > /tmp/mug_notes.html
[11:59] <brousch> rst r0x
[11:59] <rick_h> heh oops
[11:59] <rick_h> didn't realize I pasted that in there
[11:59] <brousch> uh huh. you were showing off
[11:59] <rick_h> bwuhahahaha
[11:59] <brousch> just like your fancy number generator
[12:00] <rick_h> going to show off httpie and httpcode for mug hopefully
[12:00] <rick_h> if they let me do two awesome things!
[12:00] <brousch> no one can stop rick_h's awesome
[12:00] <brousch> let them try!
[12:01] <rick_h> exactly, I'll just take over the stage and fight them off with sticks
[12:02] <brousch> you just not stop talking
[12:08] <brousch> hm, was that English?
[12:17] <rick_h> so it's snowing here...
[12:18] <Blazeix> nope, i refused to acknowledge that.
[12:18] <brousch> hm, not cold enough here
[12:19] <rick_h> weather.com says it's 37 here...but it's still drop little bits of white stuff
[12:37] <brousch> new background http://dvice.com/archives/2012/04/unearthly-image.php
[12:40] <rick_h> yea that one was cool
[12:41] <brousch> looks good on my phone too
[12:51] <snap-l> rick_h: WIll remind you. :)
[12:52] <rick_h> snap-l: okie, can I do two please? they're super cool I promise :)
[12:52] <snap-l> Also, on an unrelated note, I think I figured out how to add a cue sheet to the mp3 files for OMC
[12:52] <snap-l> rick_h: I'll have to ask the board.
[12:52] <snap-l> (j/k)
[12:54] <rick_h> I've got inside connections
[13:05] <rick_h> yay, html5 music playing on google music through the web interface
[13:07] <brousch> rick_h: i use a chrome app for it, then keep it on workspace 10
[13:08] <brousch> /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome --app="http://music.google.com" --new-window %U
[13:16] <jrwren> rick_h: have you stuck a kilowatt on the synology yet to see what the power draw is?
[13:17] <rick_h> jrwren: not yet
[13:18] <rick_h> I'm waiting for the backup to finish up and then I'll put it in it's final home (vs middle of my desk) and I'll try it then
[13:19] <jrwren> i wonder if it is slow because of some other reason. misconfigured network speed. autoneg and 100/half or something like that?
[13:19] <jrwren> but you said CPU was pegged, so that is probably it.
[13:20] <snap-l> I blame a non-optimized network, and non-lab environment
[13:20] <snap-l> also blaming quantum mechanics, because that always throws a wrench in things.
[13:21] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, the switch confirms it's gigabit, and it's a fresh raid1 and I wanted for it to init before dropping data to it
[13:21] <rick_h> now maybe some jumbo frame setup? The NAS is setup for it, but not sure on the desktop
[13:22] <rick_h> it's an older desktop at this point, but really since the cpu is maxed and the synology "Ideal" situation is 30MB/s 1/6 of that in 'non-optimized' I guess
[13:22] <rick_h> thankfully I only got/use this thing for backups and not to try to run vm's off of it
[13:24] <rick_h> The NAS was slower when writing small files, though, where it managed 11MB/sec in RAID 0 and a little under 10MB/sec in RAID 1.
[13:24] <rick_h> Overall, the disk is much faster than its predecessor, the DS211j, when reading and writing large files, but is 3MB/s slower when dealing with small files.
[13:24] <rick_h> probably hates me doing just a flat rsync like this vs tar/copy
[13:27] <rick_h> so in this review it runs 18W under load, 15W idle
[13:28] <jrwren> how long as apt-cache showpkg existed? have I been living under a rock?
[13:28] <jrwren> rick_h: O_O that is probably it!
[13:28] <jrwren> the NAS is sending jumbo frames and teh desktop is dropping them.
[13:29] <jrwren> you can get 500-600Mbit without jumbo and it would be WAY faster.
[13:29] <jrwren> you can't mix jumbo frames on teh same ethernet.
[13:29] <jrwren> its all or nothing.
[13:29] <jrwren> I'd turn off jumbo on the NAS and see if that helps.
[13:29] <jrwren> but again, if your CPU is pegged... it probably doesn't matter.
[13:30] <rick_h> ah, I lied...it's disabled.
[13:30] <rick_h> I've got a setting for it
[13:30] <jrwren> ah ok.
[13:30] <jrwren> whew.
[13:30] <snap-l> Oh shit, I'm losing online traffic to my competitors. A random e-mail just told me so
[13:30] <rick_h> lol
[13:31] <snap-l> Better unleash the SEO monkeys
[13:31] <brousch> snap-l: i will SEO you for only $1000
[13:31] <snap-l> Fly py pagerankies, fly!
[13:32] <snap-l> brousch: All taken care of
[13:34] <brousch> damnit, now i'm losing online traffic to my competitors, the pagerankies
[13:36] <jrwren> anyone know how to speed up the "processing triggers for man-db" step in dpkg?
[13:39] <jrwren> hahaha... espeak is awesome.
[13:39] <brousch> ut oh, time to get rid of those ebooks http://www.pythondiary.com/blog/Apr.10,2012/instant-django-release-information.html
[13:39] <jrwren> if you want to laugh or o_O  http://delays.xmtp.net/~jrwren/NewSystemNotes.mp3
[13:53] <snap-l> brousch: Django is suddenly not cool
[13:53] <brousch> suddenly?
[13:53] <snap-l> hah
[13:54] <brousch> it's too popular. the hipsters move on
[13:54] <brousch> expect an influx of skinny jeans and tophats at your Pyramid meetings
[13:55] <brousch> snap-l: but seriously, why do you say it's not cool?
[13:58] <widox> hah, maybe that guy should start a Kickstarter project for Instant Django
[13:59] <brousch> bah, i see now. i pasted the wrong link
[14:00] <widox> like the recent Ruby on Rails for Mac brewhaha
[14:00] <brousch> ok, here's the ebook link http://healthland.time.com/2012/03/14/do-e-books-impair-memory/
[14:29] <rick_h> no wolfger?
[14:30] <rick_h> well any perl gurus https://plus.google.com/115784859563110525602/posts/E7cZw6vhaSV
[14:36] <ColonelPanic001> wat
[14:37] <rick_h> Don't know, I didn't look at it for fear I'd get a perl induced headache :)
[15:29] <rick_h> I'm now starting to feel really old: http://i.imgur.com/vynW8.png
[15:30] <rick_h> I mean...I *guess* I can see that if you grew up seeing the movie...but
[15:30] <jjesse> seriously?
[15:30] <jjesse> how dumb is america now ;(
[15:32] <brousch> doesn't it say in the movie that it's based on real events?
[15:33] <rick_h> yea, but even when you seee stuff like that you think it's some sort of dramatic adaptatoin
[15:34] <jcastro> we should just tell people other stuff is based on real event
[15:34] <jcastro> "yes, my grandpa actually went through the hunger games"
[15:34] <_stink_> Independence Day
[15:34] <jcastro> "WHAT."
[15:35] <rick_h> lol
[15:35] <rick_h> really confuse them
[15:35] <rick_h> "My great grandson went through the hunger games"
[15:36] <brousch> is that any good?
[15:36] <rick_h> no, but I seem to be the minority in that
[15:36] <rick_h> didn't care for the book or the movie
[15:37] <jcastro> I thought it was good
[15:38] <brousch> i have resisted because so much of the hype for it is from the same people who like twilight
[15:39] <ColonelPanic001> I already saw Battle Royale and read The Long Walk
[15:39] <rick_h> yea, I mean the book is more for kids and the popularity is driven by younger audience
[15:40] <ColonelPanic001> I did just finally finish Guns, Germs, and Steel, though
[15:40] <ColonelPanic001> somehow I think that works out for the better
[15:40] <brousch> i read the first twilight book. i will not be suckered again!
[15:43] <rick_h> yea my aunt suckered me into hunger games
[15:43] <rick_h> but my wife read all three i think
[15:50] <brousch> my wife is a twidork
[15:51] <_stink_> i'm sorry.
[16:09] <greg-g> oh blog commentors, I don't know why I even let it through and responded :)
[16:13] <rick_h> greg-g: huh?
[16:21] <jrwren> rick_h: hahaha... kids will be kids.
[16:21] <jrwren> next it will be, omg pearl harbor was real...
[16:21] <greg-g> rick_h: someone responded to my latest quick post anonymously and tried to take my post in a way it wasn't intended is all :)
[16:21] <jrwren> and then zomg, armegheddon was real?...
[16:22] <greg-g> heh
[16:22] <rick_h> greg-g: I wasn't sure there myself tbh
[16:22] <rick_h> greg-g: it had a lot of potential layers
[16:23] <greg-g> rick_h: yeah, lots o layers and me not giving it the time it needed to actually be written well
[16:23] <greg-g> mostly my fault, I suppose. it started with a joke (the photo) but then I tried to make it serious and such. oh well
[16:23] <rick_h> greg-g: welcome to parenthood! :)
[16:23] <greg-g> rick_h: no. kidding.
[16:23] <rick_h> greg-g: yea, that's what it seemed like. Started out one way, but with the ending it got where you had to go back and look at it again
[16:25] <greg-g> yeah, I call it, "literary"
[16:25] <greg-g> :)
[17:25] <rick_h> man, it's showing harder now
[17:41] <jasonwert> where are you at rick_h ?
[17:41] <greg-g> north of detroit
[17:41] <jasonwert> No snow in Traverse City
[17:42] <rick_h> jasonwert: clarkston area
[17:42] <rick_h> greg-g: that's crazy video of the bike rider
[17:42] <rick_h> though I'm floored they're biking down the middle of the street
[17:47] <greg-g> where they should be
[17:48]  * rick_h is still a biking on the sidewalk/trail kind of biking
[17:48] <greg-g> rick_h: if I only take a foot on the right side, a driver thinks "oh, I can share that lane with them and pass them when another car is in the left lane" which is a complete and utter fallacy.
[17:48] <rick_h> greg-g: yea, can see that
[17:48] <greg-g> I am required to have 3 feet between me and a passing car. That won't work in that situation
[17:48] <rick_h> just surpised they weren't with pedestrians in the sidewalk path on the side
[17:49] <greg-g> bikes are normally not allowed on pedestrian paths for good reason. 3 mph person vs 15 mph bike is nasty
[17:49] <greg-g> bike get a full lane, the world needs to know and get over this
[17:49] <rick_h> yea
[17:50] <greg-g> (whether or not it is the law in your state, it is the only, I repeat only, sensible conclusion other than separate bike and car and pedestrian lanes)
[17:50]  * greg-g calms down, no one here is arguing with you greg
[17:50] <greg-g> :)
[17:50]  * rick_h hides from greg-g's wrath
[17:51] <brousch> ug, bikers in the street are annoying
[17:51] <brousch> i bump them to let them know i want to pass
[17:52] <rick_h> brousch: and his 'swapping paint'
[17:52] <brousch> speed limit is 45, y u go 10?
[17:52] <rick_h> hey, I avg 12mph with stops thank you :P
[17:53] <greg-g> rick_h++
[17:53] <greg-g> :)
[17:54] <snap-l> Can someone riddle me why bikes feel they don't have to stop for traffic signals?
[17:54] <brousch> snap-l: because their riders will get tired
[17:54] <greg-g> snap-l: that is a long standing debate in the biking world.
[17:55] <snap-l> More than once I've seen a biker casually drift through an intersection
[17:55] <greg-g> argument 1) your on the road, abide by the rules. QED.
[17:55] <snap-l> and frankly I find it disrespectful
[17:55] <snap-l> and unsafe
[17:56] <brousch> i treat a bike like a drunken pedestrian in the street because that's how they behave
[17:56] <rick_h> QED, that's new to me
[17:56]  * rick_h learned him some new stuff today
[17:56] <rick_h> brousch: and I treat drivers like cell phon yacking non-attention paying idiots because that's what they are
[17:56] <brousch> going against the flow of traffic, weaving between cars, on and off the sidewalk, zipping through stop signs
[17:56] <rick_h> I can see I'll be in an accident one day, too many people roll up into lights without looking
[17:57] <snap-l> When I'm on a bike, I treat cars like I would if I were in a car: ready to give me a door prize
[17:57] <greg-g> argument 2) bikes are inherently different things than cars and have much different affordances. rolling through a stop sign is safer than when a car does it because bikes are going orders of magnitude slower. Mostly, the point is: stop signs would not exist if it weren't for cars or really big bike intersections.
[17:57] <snap-l> brousch: YYYYYYEEEEESSSSSSS.
[17:58] <snap-l> greg-g: Argument 2 is unsafe.
[17:58] <greg-g> I'm not taking sides, just explaining my udnerstanding of the arguments
[17:58] <greg-g> so are cars, inherently
[17:58] <brousch> i think 1in 10 bikes i see on the road are riding reasonably
[17:58] <snap-l> greg-g: And the infrastructure is designed with cars as 1st class citizens
[17:58] <greg-g> I am more likely to get brain damage from using a car properly than I am from ridinig a bike, but I'm forced to wear a helmet on my bike (there is a good TED talk on this very topic)
[17:59] <greg-g> snap-l: rightfully or wrongfully, correct, it was. Things are changing, luckily.
[17:59] <brousch> speed kills!
[17:59] <snap-l> greg-g: Tell that to the guy I know who managed to smack his melon on his bike in a car crash
[17:59] <brousch> greg-g: i assume there are more bike lanes in hippiville
[17:59] <greg-g> brousch: actually, not at all
[17:59] <snap-l> brousch: YEah, the taxis love 'em.
[17:59] <greg-g> brousch: we just ride in the road, where we are supposed to be, and drivers out here finally fucking got the message that we are supposed to be there
[18:00] <snap-l> greg-g: If I'm behind a bike, I'll go their speed
[18:00] <snap-l> but that's a respect for being on the road
[18:00] <snap-l> I expect bikes to also respect the laws of the road
[18:01] <brousch> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-to-be-sponsored-by-blue-systems
[18:01] <greg-g> snap-l: there's always going to be people who hurt their head on a bike, just like there is always going to be people who don't get in car accidents, but the numbers show a reality that is different than our conceptions
[18:01] <snap-l> ergo, respect stop signs, respect lanes and flows of traffic
[18:01] <snap-l> and if you don't, expect consequences.
[18:02] <rick_h> brousch: saw that and that blue systems needs a real website
[18:02] <rick_h> who are they? what do they do? all I see is "Sponsors kde stuff"
[18:02] <greg-g> yeah, like tickets. I've gotten a ticket for not having my lights on my bike at night. luckily I got the fine waived by showing them (the police station) I have lights. Just like you would if you had a burnt out light on a car.
[18:02] <snap-l> greg-g: Again, respect.
[18:03] <brousch> rick_h: hah, ok, yeah that is a sad website
[18:03] <snap-l> Drifting through a red light / stop sign shows no respect
[18:03] <snap-l> and that in turn angers drivers, rightly or wrongly.
[18:03] <rick_h> snap-l: sorry, but wtf does that have to do with "respect" respect for what?  I was called names for doing what I was legally required to do and not given "respect" each time they passed me (I routintely touched cars as they passed, which was a violation of the laws).
[18:04] <greg-g> so, the respect argument is great, in theory, but fails miserably in reality
[18:05] <rick_h> please, no one in MI respects the laws
[18:05] <greg-g> snap-l: that is a fallacy (traffic flow works) ask any city planner ;)
[18:05] <brousch> i see the slow speed as the biggest issue
[18:05] <greg-g> brousch: define issue
[18:05] <greg-g> I see the almost killing me as the biggest issue ;)
[18:05] <brousch> at best a bike is going 20mph in a 35mph zone, while cars are going 40mph
[18:05] <snap-l> Yes, and when a biker rolls trhough an intersection and becomes an art-deco hood ornament, I'm sure they'll feel righteous indignation at the cars who were obeying the traffic lights.
[18:06] <brousch> the slow speed causes anger. anger leads to hatred
[18:06] <greg-g> snap-l: that is a non sequitor
[18:06] <snap-l> greg-g: Regardless, it pisses me off
[18:07] <greg-g> fair
[18:07] <snap-l> And whether argument 1 or argument 2 is right, I want there to be some understanding that we can all agree on
[18:07] <greg-g> so, helmets and seat belt laws, where is wolfger when you need him?
[18:08] <snap-l> if bikes are somehow above the traffic laws, we need to know
[18:08] <snap-l> and yes, respect is a two-way street (pardon the pun), and it pisses me off when cars don't afford bikes the same courtesy.
[18:09] <greg-g> snap-l: just like motorcycles are above them (ie: motorcycles have different affordances and have different laws, like they can "split lanes" and ride between two cars if they deam it safe)
[18:09] <greg-g> yay puns!
[18:09] <greg-g> at least, the lane splitting is legal here
[18:09] <snap-l> greg-g: And that too pisses me off
[18:09] <greg-g> not sure about MI, honestly
[18:09] <greg-g> snap-l: why, it is what the law says they can do?
[18:09] <greg-g> respect the law
[18:09] <brousch> they can share lanes, i don't know about going between cars
[18:10] <snap-l> greg-g: If the law says it's legal, I'll get over it
[18:10] <snap-l> but experience tells me it's generally not safe to do so
[18:10] <greg-g> I may have mis-represented: they can go between cars (ie: between the two lanes of a 4 lane road) at a stop light/stsop sign if traffic is backed up
[18:11]  * snap-l is for simple, clear rules when it comes to traffic. :)
[18:11] <greg-g> and I reall ythink they can split lanes  here in CA on the highway.... /me doesn't care enough to look it up
[18:11] <greg-g> they do, at least :)
[18:12] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane_splitting#Legal_status
[18:12] <snap-l> God bless Wikipedia
[18:12] <greg-g> awesome
[18:12] <greg-g> CA is unique in this
[18:12] <greg-g> interesting
[18:12] <snap-l> Again, if I know it's possible, I won't be surprised / angered.
[18:13]  * greg-g nods
[18:13] <brousch> wow, i see that all the time
[18:13] <snap-l> brousch: Me too, especially on I696
[18:14] <snap-l> and Hall Road, home of the douchebags
[18:14] <greg-g> I find it not annoying at stop signs, makes sense, they accelerate SOO much faster (even when not trying) that they should be allowed to do it as it only increases the efficiency of the traffic
[18:15] <greg-g> (ie: gets them out of the way)
[18:19] <brousch> oh wow, i didn;t see that riddell is leaving canonical to work on kubuntu
[18:19] <brousch> that is cool
[18:19] <jjesse> pretty exiting
[18:19] <jjesse> the concern is the name/trademark
[18:19] <_stink_> oh man nice scrollback to go through here, thanks guys
[18:19] <jjesse> as if Canonical will allow them to continue w/ the trademark
[18:19] <jjesse> if not they have to change
[18:20] <greg-g> _stink_: hehe
[18:20] <greg-g> jjesse: it would just have to be called "The Ubuntu KDE Remix" or something else stupid ;)
[18:21] <jjesse> would they be allowed to use Ubuntu
[18:21] <greg-g> yeah
[18:21] <jjesse> especially if it was for a commercial use
[18:21] <greg-g> the Remix name can be used as long as you use ubuntu.com repos
[18:21] <jjesse> ah
[18:22] <greg-g> see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2012-February/001215.html
[18:23] <jjesse> interesting
[18:23] <greg-g> there was a big hoop la about the Ubuntu Business Remix (Canonical driven) using ubuntu.com repos PLUS a canonical.com repo that had proprietary software in it
[18:23] <jjesse> ubuntu business remix doesn't seem like a good idea
[18:23] <jjesse> nothing really different
[18:25] <greg-g> just some change in defaults
[18:25] <_stink_> man, argument 2) is insance.
[18:25] <_stink_> er
[18:25] <greg-g> like not having gwibber
[18:25] <_stink_> insane.
[18:25] <jjesse> yeah it is
[18:25] <greg-g> _stink_: now now, you missed the fun, lets not open this back up ;)
[18:25] <_stink_> i know, i need to be reading here more
[18:26] <greg-g> hehe
[18:26] <_stink_> now i will suffer
[18:26] <jrwren> lane splitting is NOT legal in MI
[18:26] <greg-g> jrwren: right, only in CA
[18:27] <jrwren> amazing world.
[18:31] <jjesse> i'm trying to figure out if it is snowing or hailing
[18:31] <jjesse> or some other weird ice/snow mix
[18:32] <rick_h> jjesse: it's very confused out there today
[18:32] <rick_h> and I think my sinus's etc are getting cranky at the adjustments being made
[19:15] <krondor> snap-l:  re: drivers showing respsect for road, jerks actually improve traffic flow;
[19:15] <krondor> http://physicsbuzz.physicscentral.com/2009/07/jerks-actually-reduce-risk-of-traffic.html
[19:19] <greg-g> krondor: nice
[19:20] <greg-g> I've always loved it when fluid dynamics people analyze traffic flow
[19:29] <greg-g> ever wondered how those Free Conf Call systems stay afloat?  Should the rural simply not have telephone or even electricity?
[19:55] <snap-l> First off, the government created these problems (the cost sharing)
[19:56] <jrwren> that is true.
[19:56] <jrwren> but not bad.
[19:56] <snap-l> And frankly, SKype and Google are not common carriers
[19:56] <jrwren> esp if we have a government of the people, by the people and for hte people ;)
[19:56] <jrwren> not being common does not mean you get to play by different rules. I hope.
[19:56] <snap-l> They need to revisit the phone system. I'd wager most, if not all of this traffic is IP anyway.
[19:57] <brousch> http://gawker.com/5899787/finding-goatse-the-mystery-man-behind-the-most-disturbing-internet-meme-in-history
[19:57] <jrwren> brousch: no way in hell am i clicking that.
[19:57] <greg-g> is that SFW?
[19:58] <snap-l> jrwren: It hopefully means that we can cut off a lot of legacy bullshit that has dogged the phone companies since the 1920s
[19:58] <brousch> greg-g: so far
[19:58] <snap-l> jrwren: I'd love for AT&T to be competitive
[19:58] <snap-l> I don't want Google and Skype dragged down to ensure it
[19:58] <jrwren> so that raises the question: should the values of rural electrification and rural telefony be extended to IP?
[19:59] <snap-l> jrwren: My silent libertarian says it's not the govt's responsibility to make sure your outhouse flushes.
[19:59] <jrwren> what does your practical american say?
[20:00] <greg-g> brousch: wow, thanks. (also, obvs, links from that story are NSFW)
[20:00] <snap-l> jrwren: That we'll all bear the brunt for 80 years of bandaids.
[20:01] <brousch> some dirty talk in the middle of the article
[20:01] <snap-l> Honestly, every time I look at the regulation of phone service, it just reeks of spur-of-the-moment fixing
[20:02] <snap-l> nobody pictured the phone company as we have it today
[20:02] <snap-l> (500 non-competitive fiefdoms)
[20:02] <greg-g> I have a great book on the topic (telco regulation history) but I haven't read it since 2007
[20:17] <greg-g> ugh, working with people who send html-only email and badly formated .docx files :/
[20:17] <greg-g> (conf planner contractor)
[20:18] <brousch> you poor little thing :P
[20:19] <brousch> welcome to my every day
[20:20] <greg-g> brousch: hey, I chose to work in an environment that discouraged that sort of thing (though, we do use google docs way too much). :)
[20:21] <brousch> let me send you some PDFs that won't open or print without hitting your swap for 4GB
[20:21] <jrwren> i encourage you to get over it.
[20:23] <ColonelPanic001> my favorite it is "please see attached PDF for an important announcement by X"
[20:23] <ColonelPanic001> the attached PDF is three lines long
[20:24] <jrwren> i like to reply to a lot of that shit with stuff like "I read my mail on my phone and my phone can't read your messages. Can you change teh way you work?"
[20:26] <greg-g> ColonelPanic001: I have a buddy who has a financial advisor who sends him emails that consist of nothing other than a signature and an attached DOC file. The DOC is where the content is. Apparently, the system they use does this so it can automatically generate a paper trail :)
[20:26] <ColonelPanic001> greg-g: I hadn't thought of that, admittedly
[20:27] <ColonelPanic001> I still hate it though. For the record, or something.
[20:27] <brousch> couldn't they just BCC all outgoing mail to a print spool?
[20:29] <jrwren> how does it automatically generate a paper trail? its still just as stupid as originally suggested.
[20:30] <greg-g> I assume they are writing their emails within some system not a normal email client, but I have no clue
[20:30] <greg-g> correction: "emails"
[20:30] <greg-g> ;)
[20:53] <snap-l>  Probably on a VAX using Word Perfect
[20:53] <snap-l> that just happens to have a .doc export
[20:54] <brousch> word perfect may be correct. it is still used in many law firms
[20:56] <snap-l> http://linuxmafia.com/wpfaq/downloadwp8.html
[20:57] <snap-l> http://practical-tech.com/operating-system/linux/wordperfect-for-linux-lives-on-sort-of/326/
[20:57] <snap-l> Before jumping into this project, be certain to carefully read Moen’s FAQ. There are many ways an installation can go wrong on modern systems. The program also lacks support support for many fonts. It will also fail on attempting to import any Word file later than Word 97, and it will fail, period, on importing any Word file if the system date is set later than September 9, 2001.
[20:58] <greg-g> lol
[20:58] <snap-l> TIL: Corel still sells Word Perfect
[20:59] <snap-l> Thought it was pretty much abandonware
[21:09] <rick_h> ok, bookmarklet for the http://readable.bmark.us on the front page. I've got to work on the css and get it shared between Bookie and thisservice but cool to try out
[21:32] <rick_h> there we go, little prettier
[21:35] <rick_h> http://readable.bmark.us/view/http%3A%2F%2Fsportsillustrated.cnn.com%2Fbaseball%2Fmlb%2Fgameflash%2F2012%2F04%2F10%2F40548_recap.html%3Fsct%3Dmlb_t2_a3
[23:08] <greg-g> rick_h: weird, gnome-terminal doesn't like those links
[23:08] <rick_h> hmm, wonder if it's because of the escaped http and such is there twice
[23:08] <greg-g> could not open the address "http://........"


[10:32] <schopin> slyon: tangentially to my work on default routes, I've stumbled across some C correctness issues. I've split them into their own PRs, I hope you don't mind the noise?
[11:16] <slyon> schopin: Thanks, that's much appreciated! I'll do the review probably later this week
[17:06] <schopin> I notice that routing tables in netplan are (as far as the documentation is concerned) supposed to be identified via their table index. iproute2 allows the definition of name mappings, which is quite useful when dealing with complex routing policies. Do you think it might be a feature we'd be interested in? AFAICT nm doesn't have anything like it but networkd does, via definitions in
[17:06] <schopin> networkd.conf.
[17:41] <slyon> schopin: yes that would be an useful feature in my opinion. I'm not sure if we already have a LP "wishlist" bug/roadmap item for that.. that routing table schema is quite new IIRC and the name mappings were not part of that PR


[13:29] <persia> I'm not going to make the Java meeting tonight.  Could someone else run it?
[13:36] <Leon_Nardella> Good morning. Er.. I'd like to know if there's some way to install sun-java6-jdk without user interaction ( automagically accepting Sun's license ). :X


[03:20] <Json188> Hi
[03:21] <Json188> Is there any person in-charge from ubuntu malaysia here?
[03:36] <sweemeng_> Json188, no
[03:39] <Json188> Is there any person-in-charge that I can contact, do you all have his contacts number or email?
[04:02] <sweemeng_> wait arr
[04:03] <sweemeng_> Json188, i don't have it now
[04:05] <sweemeng_> Json188, only found his facebook profile >.<
[04:05] <sweemeng_> sorry
[04:15] <Json188> sweemeng, can I somehow have his facebook profile name, I need to contact regarding subscription matter for ubuntu
[04:16] <sweemeng> ohh
[04:16]  * sweemeng really lost his email somewhere sorry
[07:43] <fairuz> morning malaysia
[07:52] <mypapitsux> yeah
[07:52] <mypapitsux> sux sux and b00m
[15:05] <amero> knock knock
[15:06] <amero> senyap macam biasa
[15:10] <fairuz> knock
[15:10] <sweemeng> yo
[15:11]  * fairuz menunggu kernel compile.. sgt lama
[15:12] <amero> oo gento kah
[15:14] <fairuz> Android kernel
[15:14] <fairuz> ada bug kat power management, tengah mencari
[15:20] <amero> netbook apa best eh
[15:20] <amero> nak beli dell tapi risau barang refurbished
[15:28] <fairuz> hmm netbook, tak tau pulak
[15:28] <fairuz> taknak try netbook google?
[15:28] <fairuz> tak tau menarik ke tak
[15:32] <Nazri> you welcome...
[15:32] <Nazri> i'm want request something...
[15:32] <Nazri> may i...?
[15:33] <amero> hmm Nazri ?
[15:36] <Nazri> Ubutnu have lunch....ogio bag,11.04 T-shirt and Ubuntu Hoodie...
[15:36] <Nazri> But i'm at Malaysia...
[15:37] <amero> diorang tak ship ke msia ke
[15:37] <Nazri> not sure..
[15:37] <Nazri> but it nice..
[15:38] <Nazri> and all price in Pound...
[15:38] <Nazri> expancsive
[15:39] <Nazri> if got at malaysia please...send to me advertisment....
[15:42] <amero> baik lah
[15:42] <Nazri> when it will be..?
[15:59] <amero> ...


[00:52] <flocculant> probably why things like pareole break for me - I have no cares :p
[00:53] <drc> No, it's becasue apps don't like you..hence perfect QAL.
[00:53] <flocculant> \o/
[00:54] <flocculant> I knew I would WIN
[00:54] <drc> 8 or 10?
[00:54] <knome> 9.
[00:54] <flocculant> 7
[00:54] <flocculant> always 7
[00:54] <drc> as long as it's not 98ME
[00:55] <flocculant> ha ha
[00:55] <knome> 6 was my favorite number before but now i don't care
[00:57] <flocculant> always 7
[00:59] <knome> bluesabre, you should really join #ubuntu-quality
[00:59] <knome> bluesabre, otherwise me and flocculant start telling you silly things we don't understand, and with our little "manipulation", nor won't you
[01:00] <flocculant> \o/
[01:01] <flocculant> you CAN apparently make ubuntu-bug work with PPAs
[01:01] <flocculant> knome: like that?
[01:01] <knome> heh, well, maybe...
[01:02] <flocculant> :)
[01:22] <bluesabre> suppose I'll join then
[01:22] <bluesabre> I wonder if I might regret this
[01:22] <bluesabre> :D
[01:25] <flocculant> bluesabre: I promise not to too often link youir quote :D
[01:27] <bluesabre> which one?
[01:28] <bluesabre> the "give us all your bug reports" one
[01:28] <bluesabre> ?
[01:28] <bluesabre> :D
[01:29] <flocculant> nope
[01:30] <flocculant> the "we want all your usabilty issues as bugs one
[01:30] <flocculant> which I make up from 2 ro 3 different quotes
[01:30]  * flocculant should run for office ....
[01:31] <knome> yes
[01:31] <knome> the bad typing dept.
[01:31] <bluesabre> :)
[01:31] <flocculant> would I win?
[01:32] <flocculant> silly flocculant
[01:32] <flocculant> ofc you would :P
[01:32] <drc> It's unanimous
[01:32] <bluesabre> +1
[01:33] <flocculant> woot I win then
 I knew I would WIN
[01:33] <drc> egotist
[01:34] <drc> and with that, I concede and "goodbye"
[01:34] <flocculant> I would like to take this opportunityy to win things for drc - we are all equal, or old or stuff
[01:34] <flocculant> o
[01:35]  * bluesabre forgets that his youth escapes a bit more each day
[01:35] <flocculant> he missed winning :(
[01:35] <flocculant> bluesabre shouldn't do that
[01:36] <Unit193> bluesabre: Soon you'll be a cranky old man like the rest of us.
[01:36] <knome> or, with some exact surgery, cranky old lady
[01:36] <bluesabre> :D
[01:37] <flocculant> ha ha
[09:04] <akxwi_dave> flocculant, I retried the window snapping last night on real hardware (fresh install) and its working as is.. On my old vm it isnt, however, i have just built a fresh Xneial VM from the 1st iso release and snapping is working fine.  So I'll assume that there is something wrong with my original VM.
[09:05] <akxwi_dave> oh and Morning by the way..  :-)
[09:11] <Unit193> Howdy.
[10:52] <bluesabre> morning all
[11:06] <akxwi_dave> Morning
[11:46] <drc> OK, Before I dive back into flocculant's "Xfce4 Power Manager Settings" Testcase, I'd like to clear up a little confusion I'm having re: Power Manager plugins.
[11:47] <drc> It appears that there is a Power Manager plugin that is installed in the panel by default and is independent of either the Notification Area or Indicator Plugin.
[11:49] <drc> It also appears that there is a Notification Area Power Manager Indicator/plugin that is activated via the XFCE Power Manager Settings/General Tab (System tray icon)
[11:50] <drc> Both these do the same thing, abeit is slightly different fashions.  Am I correct so far?
[11:53] <drc> And that the Power Manager plugin is now monochromatic while the "System Tray icon (maybe not the best working, not sure we have a system tray now) is colorized.
[11:54] <drc> SO my question is:  Is this by design, we really want both of these?
[11:55] <drc> After thinking for a bit, I wonder if this results from folks wanting the old "Indicator Plugin" battery indicator?
[11:59] <Unit193> Right, so one is an xfce4-panel plugin, one is a tray icon, for say tint2.  The panel plugin should have more features, or generally be slightly better than the plain tray icon.
[12:00] <drc> Unit193: From what I see, they do the same thing, except one uses a right click and one uses a left click.
[12:38] <drc> Hey flocculant, quick question on "Xfce4 Power Manager Settings" Testcase.  Why was Display-> Brightness reduction not tested?
[12:40] <drc> Other than some (still) wording on the testcase itself, everything work as advertised.
[12:41] <drc> Submitted a "Pass". But what do you want in the Hardware profile?  I <can> use a inxi -F :)
[12:58] <slickymasterWork> or you can go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hardware drc
[12:59] <slickymasterWork> and then just add the gist github link
[13:01] <drc> reading now
[13:04] <Unit193> ...That is a horrible page.
[13:04] <slickymasterWork> that's what I use whenever I need to add my hardware profile either on the tracker or LP
[13:04] <slickymasterWork> yes, it is
[13:06] <akxwi_dave> thats one o fthe reasons i typr mine in the comments.. :-)
[13:10] <drc> OK, pretty straight forward until it comes time to "edit the top table only"  How would one go about doing this? I see nothing that would let me edit it.
[13:14]  * drc wonders if he'd get away with just saying "Apple ][" ?
[13:16] <akxwi_dave> dare you... :-)
[13:17] <drc> To misquote Red Skelton "He don't know me very well, do he?"
[13:29] <flocculant> good day everyone
[13:30] <flocculant> installs are still fubar with the mtab thing I see :)
[13:30] <flocculant> off shortly and will be back Sunday :)
[13:35] <akxwi_dave> going anywhere nice?
[13:44] <flocculant> god-daughter and her family - Brighton
[13:52] <flocculant> have a good weekend
[14:07] <akxwi_dave> enjoy flocculant, have a good time..
[14:30] <slickymasterWork> drc, you're not obliged to add yourself to that table
[14:31] <drc> I know, I was just wondering if I was missing something obvious.
[14:31] <slickymasterWork> all you need is the gist github link itself, since it's where your hardware specs are listed
[14:32] <slickymasterWork> did you login successfully in the wiki?
[14:32] <drc> My guess is no.
[14:33] <slickymasterWork> so that's probably why you weren't able to edit it :P
[14:33] <slickymasterWork> tbh the wiki is a pain, anyhow
[14:33] <drc> Like I said, something obvious :)
[14:34] <slickymasterWork> :)
[14:34] <drc> All I really care about is "what do they want me to put in the "hardware profile" of the test cases"  If Dell 1420n is enough, I'm good.
[14:36]  * slickymasterWork doesn't have a clear answer to that
[14:36] <slickymasterWork> ballons would be the one
[14:36] <slickymasterWork> * balloons
[14:37] <drc> I may just go with that Apple ][ ... see how long it takes someone to ask "Really?"
[14:38] <slickymasterWork> lol
[14:39] <drc> Silly Ubuntu One/wiki/whatever logins...running in circles
[14:39] <drc> That's why I gave it up years ago :(
[14:40] <drc> It seems like it's more about the infrastructure itself than what you do with it
[14:40] <slickymasterWork> yeah it's really annoying
[14:41] <drc> BAH!  Apple ][ it is :)
[14:47] <akxwi_dave> ;-)
[14:48] <drc> hey akxwi_dave ... and congrats on becoming a "made man" :)
[14:50] <akxwi_dave> drc, cheers mate
[16:49] <knome> slickymasterWork, at least you around?
[16:49] <slickymasterWork> yes, I am
[16:49] <slickymasterWork> why
[16:49] <slickymasterWork> ?
[16:49] <knome> hah
[16:49] <knome> "whyyyyy"
[16:50] <knome> i was thinking setting up the contributor docs
[16:50] <knome> what's your take on this:
[16:50] <slickymasterWork> I saw you add it to the blueprint
[16:50] <knome> should we add it to the same repository or create a new one?
[16:50] <slickymasterWork> I'd go with a new one
[16:50] <knome> right
[16:51] <slickymasterWork> just a matter of organization, keeping things tidy
[16:51] <knome> i'll register a new project in lp for that then as well
[16:51] <knome> xubuntu-contributor-docs ?
[16:51] <knome> (obviously we can always change that..)
[16:51] <slickymasterWork> yes, that's about what I'd call it
[16:51] <knome> ok
[16:51] <knome> i'll make some room on the kitchen table and start working on it next then
[16:51] <slickymasterWork> btw knome, the "HowTo build docs locally"
[16:52] <knome> the what? :)
[16:52] <slickymasterWork> can I draft it right on the website or do you want me to do it in a pad?
[16:52] <knome> sudo apt-get build-dep && make
[16:52] <knome> works in wily...
[16:52] <slickymasterWork> not that you silly you
[16:52] <knome> :D
[16:52] <knome> that's building docs... locally
[16:53] <slickymasterWork> the tutorial I'm writting on how to do it
[16:53] <slickymasterWork> it's an item in the blueprint
[16:53] <knome> i'm wondering if we need a tutorial
[16:53] <slickymasterWork> silly nilly
[16:53] <knome> :D
[16:53] <knome> am i missing something here?
[16:53] <knome> the tutorial is this:
[16:53] <knome> 1) sudo apt-get install bzr
[16:53] <slickymasterWork> well flocculant mentioned it, the need for it, and I do see that there's a need
[16:54] <knome> 2) bzr branch lp:xubuntu-docs
[16:54] <slickymasterWork> I know that knome
[16:54] <knome> 3) sudo apt-get build-dep xubuntu-docs
[16:54] <slickymasterWork> lol
[16:54] <slickymasterWork> stop
[16:54] <knome> :D
[16:54] <knome> let's just add that to the contributor docs :P
[16:54] <slickymasterWork> chances are that we may have a lot of potential contributors that just don't know
[16:54] <knome> yes
[16:55] <slickymasterWork> either way works for me
[16:55] <knome> well i'm not opposed to a blog article either
[16:55] <knome> i guess just write it up in the blog
[16:55] <knome> unless you decide to go deeper in the docbook land
[16:55] <slickymasterWork> oki doke
[16:56] <slickymasterWork> one thing I remembered that afterwards will have to go on the contributor-docs is this https://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=playground:sceenshot-stds
[16:56] <slickymasterWork> jjfrv8, ochosi and I kind of settle that'd be the standard
[16:58] <knome> slickymasterWork, i guess that's debatable, but at least we can link to it :)
[16:58] <slickymasterWork> of course it is, bit it's one standard at least
[16:58] <knome> one con to the seprate repositories is that then it isn't as easy to share the same stylesheet
[16:58] <knome> or at least we need to update both repositories with that when doing updates
[16:59] <slickymasterWork> well, that focus mainly in the wiki-type of documentation
[16:59] <knome> still
[16:59] <knome> we want it to look the same as the end-user docs
[16:59] <knome> with some changes, sure
[16:59] <slickymasterWork> no argues there
[16:59] <knome> but mostly the same
[17:00] <slickymasterWork> but we have to take in consideration the weight of xfce in that particular solution/standard
[17:00] <knome> hmm?
[17:01] <slickymasterWork> and sean adopt it to his appps
[17:01] <slickymasterWork> hey so many 'ppp'
[17:01] <knome> oh, you're talking about something else than me
[17:01] <slickymasterWork> what are you talking about, then?
[17:02] <knome> 18:58  knome: one con to the seprate repositories is that then it isn't as easy to share the same stylesheet
[17:02] <knome> so basically, we have an established stylesheet (and a somewhat matching PDF style layer)
[17:02] <knome> if we do a separate repository, it isn't as easy to use the exact same files for this
[17:03] <slickymasterWork> oh, yes
[17:03] <knome> or at least it means that if we make changes, we need to push them to two repositories
[17:03] <slickymasterWork> yes, I agree with that reasoning
[17:03] <knome> also, if we want to mention the contributor docs from the docs startpage, the easiest way is that they exist in the same repository/package
[17:03] <knome> of course, it would have its own subdirectory
[17:04] <slickymasterWork> I wasn't at all go against it
[17:04] <knome> and all of it would be separated fromt he main docs
[17:04] <knome> so i guess i'll do that - at least for now
[17:04] <knome> it's relatively easily splittable too
[17:04] <slickymasterWork> I was just merely considering that we should somehow reference that standard in there some way
[17:05] <knome> yeah, that's a totally different discussion :P
[17:05] <slickymasterWork> yeaps
[17:05] <slickymasterWork> the goal is to also try to catch some contributors to the xfce documentation
[17:05] <knome> can be
[17:06] <slickymasterWork> on a different topic, I've been going through flocculant's -docs MP and I must say that other than a few minor wording changes it seems great
[17:07] <knome> :)
[17:07] <slickymasterWork> he has done a great, and thorough, work on it
[17:18] <knome> mhm
[17:29] <ochosi> my two cents are that we don't necessarily have to follow the style of the xfce docs
[17:29] <knome> ochosi, no, i'm about to follow the style of xubuntu docs
[17:29] <ochosi> the faenza icon theme is not an ideal choic there since its not maintained for yeras
[17:30] <ochosi> (just as an example)
[17:30] <knome> ssh, i need silence for working
[17:30] <knome> i'm just breaking all the docs and i want to do it well
[17:30] <slickymasterWork> hey ochosi
[17:31]  * ochosi sneaksout
[17:31] <ochosi> hehe
[17:32] <slickymasterWork> I wasn't implying we should follow that style ochosi, just saying that we should somehow link some sort of reference to yet another side/aspect of -docs contribution
[17:33] <ochosi> hey slickymasterWork
[17:33] <ochosi> sorry very slow internet on this train...
[17:33] <slickymasterWork> :)
[17:33] <ochosi> and yeah, to that i agree
[18:20] <knome> bbl
[20:44] <knome> ooookay, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/xenial
[20:58] <dkessel> bluesabre: i need some translator hints for catfish :p
[20:59] <dkessel> strings 25 and 27: in which context are "other" and "any" used?
[21:00] <dkessel> only those two string to do in german now :p
[21:13] <ochosi> dkessel: checking...
[21:14] <ochosi> dkessel: "other" is part of the file type filters
[21:15] <knome> ochosi, now you can start writing documentation for contributors :P
[21:15] <ochosi> as in: documents, folders, images, music, videos,..., other
[21:15] <ochosi> knome: doc for contributors in what sense?
[21:16] <knome> ochosi, like developer docs
[21:16] <ochosi> dkessel: so "any" is the same in terms of the date range
[21:16] <knome> ochosi, "how to contribute with artwork"
[21:16] <dkessel> File filters... where do i have to click? :?
[21:16] <ochosi> dkessel: those are in the sidebar
[21:17] <dkessel> ah. strange enough, those are both translated in my version here... although on launchpad they aren't
[21:17] <ochosi> dkessel: here's the context for "other" http://i.imgur.com/FGg6NhX.png
[21:17] <dkessel> thanks ochosi
[21:17] <ochosi> no worries
[21:17] <ochosi> grep is your friend ;)
[21:17] <ochosi> (in case you run into such a problem again)
[21:18] <ochosi> or you can also check the "Located in.." hint on the launchpad translation site :D
[21:19] <ochosi> knome: yeah, i  guess that'd be a nice effort, but why the "now"?
[21:20] <knome> ochosi, i just set up the infrastructure for that, we now have a new docbook book in the -docs branch
[21:20] <ochosi> oh ok
[21:20] <ochosi> cool
[21:20] <ochosi> well that would be a nice target for 16.04
[21:20] <knome> ochosi, ultimately, we can ship that with all releases and have it in docs.xubuntu.org
[21:20] <ochosi> then again, are you sure ppl will read docs like that?
[21:21] <knome> no, but then again, i'm not going to put a huge effort on them
[21:21] <knome> i mean, we should document our processes as we have done now
[21:21] <knome> and if we can extend that to some of the technical issues, that's good
[21:21] <knome> it's as much a guide to us as to new contributors
[21:22] <knome> at least that's how i imagine it...
[21:25] <ochosi> yeah, that makes sense
[22:04] <knome> slickymaster, see above
[22:05] <slickymaster> doing it already
[22:05] <slickymaster> :)
[22:07] <slickymaster> knome, "The Xubuntu status tracker is where the development progress for the current development cycle is tracked and is located at."
[22:08] <slickymaster> isn't there an extra 'is' between 'tracked and' 'located'
[22:08] <slickymaster> what about "The Xubuntu status tracker is where the development progress for the current development cycle is tracked and located at
[22:09] <knome> no, the link tag was faulty and the link didn't show up
[22:09] <knome> i pushed a new revision now
[22:10] <knome> happy that you are happy that we can actually work on this now ;P
[22:10] <slickymaster> lol
[22:10] <slickymaster> are you referring to rev. 465
[22:11] <knome> ^
[22:11] <slickymaster> yeah, lag
[22:11] <slickymaster> the sentence remains the same knome
[22:12] <knome> well, you can fix it yourself...
[22:12] <slickymaster> lol
[22:13] <slickymaster> don't want to do it if you do not agree with it
[22:13] <knome> no, i just wanted to set some initial content up
[22:13] <slickymaster> branching it anyway
[22:13] <knome> this is by no means final, or well-thought
[22:13] <slickymaster> ok
[22:14] <slickymaster> it will also serves the purpose of seeing it in the browser
[22:14] <slickymaster> * serve
[22:21] <slickymaster> knome, the license file is a clone from the one in the -docs?
[22:22] <knome> slickymaster, yes
[22:23] <slickymaster> thanks, it saves the effort of reading it
[22:23] <knome> heh
[22:24] <slickymaster> another quetsion knome, are you thinking in having the common-infrastructure bzr centric?
[22:25] <knome> no, but for anything that is common for several subtopics
[22:26] <slickymaster> yes, agree


[04:00] <pleia2> scott_ev: pong
[04:01] <pleia2> looks like holstein got you sorted though :)
[04:24] <pleia2> scott_ev: my only major note is that you can't include links in the text of the summary (it doesn't port well over all the formats we publish in)
[04:25] <pleia2> scott_ev: also, you'll want to add your name to the credits section so we're sure to include you in the credits :)
[04:42] <pleia2> scott_ev: oh, also people like to see their names in UWN :) so we always try to include the author name - ie "Jon Brodkin of  Ars Technica writes..."
[05:57] <scott_ev> pleia2: OK, I'll try to make corrections
[08:51] <scott_ev> pleia2: I got more done and should get active as soon as I can get around tomorrow.
[09:12] <scott_ev> though if I have a hard tim sleeping tonight I'll get more done
[17:20] <pleia2> scott_ev: thanks! (but hope you managed to get some sleep :))
[20:43] <PaulW2U> pleia2: summaries finished for another week :)
[20:43] <pleia2> \o/
[21:22] <scott_ev> I just fixed my mistaked
[21:22] <scott_ev> mistakes
[21:24] <pleia2> thanks scott_ev
[21:26] <scott_ev> pleia2: I just wish I had done more.  I left the less important section and went to bed
[21:26] <scott_ev> then I woke up during the night and worked on the more important section and didn't finish it
[21:27] <PaulW2U> scott_ev: thanks for what you did. I had a lot less to do than last week :)
[21:28] <scott_ev> understood.  I'm just a bit of an overachiever.  I'll help again next week
[21:28] <scott_ev> and I learned a few things to not do
[21:28] <PaulW2U> Great! I can have a week off.....
[21:29] <scott_ev> true, but where will you go?
[21:29] <scott_ev> out of the office and into the living room?? huge vacation!!
[21:29] <PaulW2U> the sun is shining here in the UK for a change, so I'll go out :)
[21:30] <scott_ev> wow
[21:30] <scott_ev> if you time it right you can go to the Notting Hill Carnival
[21:30] <PaulW2U> but seriously, I've spent too much time in front of this PC of late. :(
[21:30] <scott_ev> everyone likes raggae, right
[21:31] <PaulW2U> um no. more 70s rock type of person
[21:32] <scott_ev> understood, me too for the most part
[21:38] <scott_ev> pleia2: is there anything else I can do today?
[21:54] <pleia2> scott_ev: I snuck in one more Ubuntu Planet post if you have a few minutes for one more summary :)
[21:54] <pleia2> otherwise we're pretty good to go
[21:54] <pleia2> I just need to do some last minute review and copy things over to the wiki for other editors
[21:56] <scott_ev> OK, I'll get on it.  This is a little relevant - Pennsylvania hospital to open country's first inpatient treatment program for Internet addiction
[21:57] <scott_ev> http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/09/01/pennsylvania-hospital-to-open-country-first-inpatient-treatment-program-for/
[21:57] <scott_ev> but not a good idea - that's like marlboro opening a smoking addiction clinic
[22:03] <pleia2> hah
[22:07] <scott_ev> OK, pleia2, check my summary - I hope it's up to expectations
[22:08] <scott_ev> do you live in the Bay Area or was that pic taken on vacatikon?
[22:08] <scott_ev> s/vacatikon/vacation
[22:09] <scott_ev> nm, I read the subtitle of your blog
[22:09] <pleia2> scott_ev: I live right downtown in San Francisco :)
[22:10] <pleia2> scott_ev: great summary, thanks!
[22:10] <scott_ev> pleia2: nice.  I haven't been there since I was a kid.  I walked accross the bridge and went down to the Height in the late 60's
[22:10] <pleia2> hehe, it's changed a bit
[22:11] <scott_ev> I'm really starting to question your sanity - you work on the UWN, Ubuntu Docs, Community Council - do you not sleep?
[22:11] <scott_ev> uuuhhh  yeah, I'm quite certain
[22:12] <pleia2> 8 hours per night!
[22:12] <pleia2> I don't have many friends and my husband works a lot
[22:12] <scott_ev> I'm quite certain I'd like living there.  Maybe as much as I enjoyed Austin
[22:13] <pleia2> the only downside is the cost of living here, otherwise it's paradise
[22:13] <scott_ev> pleia2: understood - that defines most of us
[22:13] <pleia2> some people complain about the fog, but it's not always foggy and I like fog
[22:13] <pleia2> today it's stunning out, 70s, sunny :)
[22:13] <pleia2> but I was outside yesterday and have a sunburn to show for it
[22:13] <scott_ev> we had dense dense fog where I lived in central cali and I loved it
[22:14]  * pleia2 nods
[22:14] <scott_ev> not too bad of a burn I hope
[22:14] <pleia2> nah, just a little scorched on my arms
[22:14] <scott_ev> I lived in the Long Beach area, then 30 miles s of Fresno in Hanford for years
[22:15] <pleia2> cool
[22:15] <scott_ev> then, in 72, moved to Subic Bay, Phillippines till 77 - showing my age here
[22:15] <pleia2> :)
[22:16] <scott_ev> can you imagine this?  My dad took me, on vacation, to Saigon 6 months before it fell - I could hear the war! I was 12
[22:16] <pleia2> oh wow
[22:17] <scott_ev> ayup, I have a unique story there, huh?
[22:17] <pleia2> sure do
[22:17] <scott_ev> dad wanted to expost me to everything he could.  He was great about that
[22:20] <pleia2> I have never even been to asia, but I am going to hong kong for work in a couple months
[22:20] <scott_ev> woohoo - Hong Kong is one of my favorite places anywhere
[22:20] <pleia2> was 27 before I had left the country at all
[22:21] <scott_ev> wow.  I've been to HK 3 x
[22:21] <scott_ev> I was raised in the Navy so travel was normal
[22:21]  * pleia2 nods
[22:21] <scott_ev> 'I was flying cross-country and changing planes on my own when I was 6
[22:22] <scott_ev> with no help from anyone
[22:22] <pleia2> :)
[22:22] <scott_ev> I sure hope the revolving restaurant is till up on Vircoria peak
[22:23] <pleia2> I'm coming in a couple days early to adjust to the time zone and tourist a bit, not sure what I'll do yet
[22:23] <scott_ev> we used to get into a cab and tell the cabbie to take us to his favorite restaurant.  we alays ended up where no one spoke english but the food was amazing
[22:23] <pleia2> part of me is waiting on what others will do, apparently we're having a women's outing on Monday, should be fun
[22:23] <pleia2> good to know :)
[22:24] <pleia2> I don't eat pork, which may be difficult in HK (and honestly I may need to just suspend that while I'm there if it's too much of a problem)
[22:24] <scott_ev> definitely ride the ferry to Kowloon and ride with the general public in the cheap seats
[22:24] <pleia2> cool
[22:25] <scott_ev> heck, suspend that for a few days unless it;s a relious tenent
[22:25] <scott_ev> religious
[22:25] <pleia2> my husband is jewish and I try to be sympathetic to his dietary restrictions by doing the same
[22:25] <pleia2> but he's not coming :)
[22:25] <scott_ev> dson't eat on the floating restaurants
[22:26] <scott_ev> that answers the pork thing
[22:27] <scott_ev> I understand eating in accordance to your husband's religion, but you'll be in HK w/o him and you may never go again
[22:27] <pleia2> yeah, it's true
[22:27] <scott_ev> that's my unsoliocited advice for today
[22:31] <scott_ev> oh, I think it's called the Ocean Terminal but there's a great mall near the Ferry.  I can't imagine it not still being there.  There were shops full of the most amazing ivory - like lace balls inside lace balls, and on and on
[22:32] <scott_ev> I sure wish I could go back there as an adult
[22:33] <pleia2> cool
[22:44] <scott_ev> what do you do that has you going there for business?
[22:44] <scott_ev> if I may ask
[22:44] <pleia2> http://www.openstack.org/summit/openstack-summit-hong-kong-2013/ :)
[22:44] <pleia2> very similar to the old ubuntu developer summits, but on openstack
[22:46] <scott_ev> very nice.  There has been a lot of chatter about openstack in #ubuntu-us-az lately
[22:55] <scott_ev> pleia2: are you good at formatting personal wiki?  I've messed up a portion of my tables and can't figger it out
[22:59] <pleia2> scott_ev: yeah, I can take a look
[23:07] <scott_ev> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/j.scott.gwin
[23:07] <scott_ev> one section needs 2 more columns and I have it messed up
[23:08]  * pleia2 has a look
[23:08] <pleia2> scott_ev: the AZ meeting table?
[23:08] <scott_ev> nice
[23:08] <scott_ev> yes
[23:14] <pleia2> hmm, this is a tricky one, I suspect it's some whitespace issue, I'll fiddle with it
[23:18] <pleia2> scott_ev: I think I got you sorted
[23:19] <scott_ev> you did and that was fast - I can't thank you enough
[23:20] <scott_ev> yes, it's always whitespace
[23:20] <pleia2> you're welcome :)
[23:21] <scott_ev> ya know, I got re-motivated because we have Az LoCo'ers looking to apply for ubuntu membership
[23:21] <scott_ev> so I thought I needed to step up again and be an example
[23:21] <pleia2> good idea
[23:21] <scott_ev> part of that is having a proper wiki
[23:22] <pleia2> I'm not great at updating mine
[23:24] <Unit193> Wait, you update it?
[23:24] <scott_ev> well, you saw how extensive mine is and I'm not nearly as active as you are
[23:25] <pleia2> Unit193: link check? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue332
[23:25] <pleia2> and sent off to editors
[23:26] <Unit193> Good.
[23:26] <pleia2> thanks :)
[23:32] <scott_ev> pleia2: dang, I have to go back and studdy wiki again.  I can't even include this issue w/o messin stuff up...I'm such a loser
[23:33] <pleia2> scott_ev: not a loser at all, a lot of people have trouble with the wiki, I happen to be a master wiki editor
[23:33] <pleia2> we used this wiki at my old job too, so I've been using moinmoin for years on Ubuntu and at work :)
[23:33] <pleia2> Debian too, and I have a personal wiki
[23:51] <scott_ev> ah, then I feel better
[23:51] <scott_ev> I didn't know you were the Obi-Lhama of moinmoin
[23:59] <scott_ev> pleia2: can you explain what I just did wrong?  I tried to add this weeks UWN and got it more messed up than normal