[00:00] <tomreyn> Error: which ubuntu version is this? did you install it yourself, or is this a host provided image?
[00:00] <tomreyn> do oyu know which virtualization thi sis?
[00:02] <Error> ubuntu 18.04 virtualization KVM
[00:02] <tomreyn> there's no "networking.service" in 18.04 LTS, though. did you create this yourself?
[00:03] <Error> not sure about the installation part though cos its not mine
[00:03] <Error> nah
[00:03] <Error> i havent touched anything without the adding ipv6 in interface
[00:03] <tomreyn> does your host recommend setting network properties via /etc/network/interfaces? this is deprecated in ubuntu
[00:04] <tar_xvf> are you using a cloud virtual machine service?
[00:04] <Error> i have just https://www.e2enetworks.com/help/knowledge-base/how-to-assign-ipv6-on-ubuntu-server/ followed this
[00:05] <Error> hostsailor
[00:05] <tomreyn> can you show the output of   nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version_signature,cmdline})
[00:06] <Error> one sec
[00:06] <tar_xvf> Error: I looked online and found a page that says "Yes, our vps support IPv6 just send us a ticket to request one or more ipv6.", did you open a ticket to get ipv6 enabled already?
[00:06] <goddard> any way to compare the current installation with a fresh installation to see what has changed?
[00:08] <goddard> seems like it would be a cool program to have
[00:08] <Error> tomreyn : https://termbin.com/o9sr
[00:08] <goddard> if it doesn't exist
[00:08] <tomreyn> goddard: debsums can change changed files which belong to packages
[00:08] <goddard> is everything in ubuntu a package?
[00:08] <tomreyn> Error: see https://netplan.io on how to configure networking on Ubuntu Server using the "systemd-networkd" renderer
[00:09] <tomreyn> goddard: not everything, but the very most.
[00:10] <goddard> hmm okay gotta see if maybe some kind of crazy bash magic script could help with debsums or something
[00:10] <Error> tar_xvf : on control panel its show it has ipv6 like /64 so i was thinking i dont need to open a ticket
[00:11] <tomreyn> sudo debsums -as
[00:12] <JoeLlama> How many people here have memory leaks?  If I run my PC with 6GB RAM, by the end of the day I am down to 2% and I have to reboot.
[00:13] <tar_xvf> can you run top or htop and see what is consuming the memory?
[00:13] <JoeLlama> That's 2% of free memory left after all programs have been closed...  I know some of you have noticed this...
[00:14] <Error> tomreyn : thanks...should i just install netplan do i have to remove anything?
[00:14] <JoeLlama> hi tar_xvf and yes...
[00:14] <JoeLlama> mostly I think firefox
[00:14] <tomreyn> Error: do you use this VPS as a server or as a desktop?
[00:14] <Error> server
[00:14] <JoeLlama> tar_xvf how do you tell where the leaks are... you can see how much is being used but you can't tell what is missing after the application is closed.
[00:15] <JoeLlama> but yeah, after I close firefox memory goes missing
[00:15] <JoeLlama> Opera too :.
[00:15] <tomreyn> Error: then netplan and systemd-networkd would be default, yes. i don't know why the image you're using differs from those defaults, though. this is something you should maybe check with the hosting provider
[00:15] <Error> mostly for znc though...but somebody just given it to to to fix ipv6 ;( and im flopping big time
[00:15] <JoeLlama> how can we recover memory from a memory leak without rebooting?
[00:16] <JoeLlama> when I first run lubuntu I have about 83% of my 6 GB
[00:16] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: by exiting or killing the respective process.
[00:16] <tar_xvf> JoeLlama: and the memory doesn't get cleared up after you close firefox? I would have thought that all that memory which is still being used by the application without being free'd would be cleared when you close firefox/opera
[00:16] <JoeLlama> this has become a real problem in recent years
[00:17] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: "free" memory may be misleading. see linuxatemyram.com
[00:17] <JoeLlama> tomreyn unfortunately memory lost from a memory leak does not come back by exiting or killing a process
[00:17] <JoeLlama> at the end of the day with all appliations closed I have 2% of my RAM left
[00:17] <tomreyn> see above
[00:17] <JoeLlama> oh ok thanks tomreyn
[00:17] <JoeLlama> I look (:
[00:18] <JoeLlama> tomreyn I just know then I run outta ram and it starts swapping things get BAD :(
[00:18] <oerheks> some claim memory leaks with social media pages open
[00:19] <tar_xvf> have you experienced any actual hampered performance when you continued to let the free memory dwindle instead of restarting before it decreases to 0%?
[00:19] <nr0q_radio> it's all those embeded JavaScript based bitcoin miners :P
[00:19] <JoeLlama> thanks again tomreyn I will check that site out later when my work is done... see, this is why I come to #ubuntu :)
[00:19] <tomreyn> with a busy modern web browser and a graphical desktop and maybe other software running, 6 GB RAM can indeed be insufficient these days.
[00:19] <tar_xvf> JoeLlama: tldr is the free RAM is used by linux for disk caching, and will immediately be cleared when it is needed without losing performance, so it is not a cause for concern.
[00:20] <JoeLlama> oerheks I don't do social media :/
[00:20] <nr0q_radio> I have 80GB in my box
[00:20] <JoeLlama> (I have no life)
[00:20] <JoeLlama> tar_xvf it only happens when I run outta memory and I start disk swapping then things get bad
[00:21] <JoeLlama> I am wondering if this is a "me" thing or if this is a well known issue... I see lots of users complainging about it
[00:21] <JoeLlama> tomreyn yeah true 6 GB is not enough...,  unfortunately, I have about 27 of these computers and 6 GB is the limit set by BIOS
[00:22] <JoeLlama> I think that memory leaks are being ignored as people throw ram at it... like nr0q_radio said... I can only wish nr0q_radio :)
[00:22] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: sorry to hear that. which hardware is this?
[00:22] <JoeLlama> okay tar_xvf I will keep that in mind
[00:23] <JoeLlama> I have piles of Dell Inspiron 1720's
[00:23] <nr0q_radio> I'm actually pretty happy with my OS's performance, I find that if I actually close browser tabs, I can get my memory usage way down
[00:23] <dman777> https://dpaste.org/7xRS I want to install nvidia-settings.... but it looks like it wants to bring in gnome desktop. Am I reading the ouput correctly?
[00:24] <JoeLlama> mostly with the NVidia GeForce 8600's graphics... right now I cannot use those systems with linux because of an issue with the NVidia drivers.,,,  they are borked I think when 5.11 came out.
[00:24] <JoeLlama> waiting for a fix
[00:24] <JoeLlama> the systems I can use are using Intel Crestline graphics... I think GM965
[00:24] <JoeLlama> I will look dman777 thanks
[00:25] <JoeLlama> nr0q_radio yes my memory comes back when I close my browser tabs but not all of it
[00:25] <oerheks> 8600 .. maybe the 340 driver works on those ancient cards
[00:25] <JoeLlama> from what I read this is a known issue
[00:26] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: hmm okthose are really old laptops.
[00:26] <JoeLlama> yeah ancient :)
[00:26] <JoeLlama> yup yup old old
[00:26] <JoeLlama> got piles of them
[00:26] <JoeLlama> not willing to just toss them I save old computers
[00:26] <oerheks> and maybe youtube 3 frames/second
[00:26] <tomreyn> maybe you can cluster them ;)
[00:26] <JoeLlama> hrm
[00:27] <nr0q_radio> I have had people try to tell me that a program I'm helping dev has a memory leak but when they close it out, and wait several minutes they are back to where they started, yes the program will use a little more memory as your using it if your constantly adding data for it to kerchunk
[00:27] <JoeLlama> well this is all good information...  I will just keep dancing this mess around
[00:28] <JoeLlama> in my (old) world where I went to college to learn programming memory leaks were unacceptable.,. these days it's just part of doing business.
[00:28] <tar_xvf> [citation needed] but ok
[00:28] <JoeLlama> when I write a program all the memory is recovered on exit
[00:28] <tomreyn> there are some othe rlinux distros you could consider, which target old computers specifically
[00:28] <JoeLlama> :P
[00:28] <JoeLlama> yeah I use lubuntu tomreyn I like it a lot
[00:28] <nr0q_radio> yeah ours is too, it just takes the OS 4-5min to do it since memory recovery is often a low priority task unless your running in defecit
[00:29] <tomreyn> JoeLlama: lubuntu is not one of them
[00:29] <JoeLlama> works really well for most things ,,, even wine for windows emulation works pretty well for me :)
[00:29] <JoeLlama> oh :/
[00:29] <JoeLlama> what are they tomreyn?
[00:29] <JoeLlama> I still like lubuntu
[00:30] <tomreyn> lubunt is nice, i'm just saying it's not / no longer a distribution targetting old systems. they changed the desktop environment and require similar specifications as ubuntu and kubuntu now.
[00:30] <tomreyn> *Lubuntu
[00:30] <JoeLlama> oh yes I understand tomreyn right....
[00:31] <nr0q_radio> would regular ubuntu with xfce or lxde work?
[00:31] <JoeLlama> it does not seem to be looking to save very old systems
[00:31] <JoeLlama> yeah LXQt here
[00:32] <tomreyn> i suggest asking for suggestions on #linux
[00:32] <JoeLlama> I think it's a shame to toss a perfectly good computer in the trash... a computer than can work for many years and do it's job properly and fast.
[00:32] <JoeLlama> yeah ok tomreyn good idea
[00:32] <nr0q_radio> I have a really old Dell D2400 that I need to plug in one last time, drop anything I want off the drive to my NAS and then pack the case full of tannerite and site in my rifle
[00:32] <JoeLlama> I have about 60 laptops here... all old
[00:33] <dman777> I have a new Focal server install. I also installed X11 and xinit. https://dpaste.org/MSAA When I go into the X server, there is no cursor. This is on my PC. I am not finding anything (unless I am missing it) about mouse issues
[00:33] <JoeLlama> aw :/
[00:33] <nr0q_radio> but at some point they just aren't worth burning the extra electricity waiting on them to do something that runs in a few seconds on even a 2-3yr old system today
[00:33] <JoeLlama> that's the problem with this world... rip the planet up to get materials to build a computer, use it for three years, get a new one and toss the old one out to the dump.
[00:34] <JoeLlama> hrm
[00:34] <JoeLlama> just sad imho
[00:34] <JoeLlama> okay I step off my soapbox now
[00:34] <JoeLlama> thanks for the help all good information
[00:35] <nr0q_radio> and coming from a business perspective, I had a hard time convincing my hire ups that they did get their money out of win95/winNT boxes they bought cheap in the 90s but that it'd be cheaper to replace them before they died and not wait until we were off-the-air for a week waiting on new equipment
[00:35] <JoeLlama> my first "real" computer was an IBM PC cassette interface and 16K motherboard upgradeable to 64K back in '81 or '82
[00:35] <JoeLlama> win95 bites along with win98 and winME but winNT rox :)
[00:36] <nr0q_radio> had a lot of old pre 2k boxes that had been running 24/7 365 since the mid 90s into the mid 2010s
[00:36] <JoeLlama> win95/98/ME were a virus
[00:36] <JoeLlama> yeah nr0q_radio even so they did hold up mostly didn't they?
[00:37] <JoeLlama> win95/98/ME you could crash over the internet by sending a packet to port 139 :(  VERY bad TCP/IP stacks
[00:37] <nr0q_radio> had a win95 box that wasn't anything special, running a DOS based control system that the on-air talent interfaced with to pick songs, setup satellite feeds, etc, and a RHEL box underneath it with no user interface that just took commands over a RS422 line from the win box, the linux box did the music/ad playout, was very 90s tech
[00:37] <JoeLlama> WinNT without PnP I could run for years without shutting down
[00:38] <tomreyn> please head over to #ubuntu-offtopic for chats - #ubuntu is really just for support
[00:38] <nr0q_radio> ahh ok, see you there
[00:38] <tomreyn> thanks
[00:38] <JoeLlama> okay tomreyn I'm done anyways
[00:38] <JoeLlama> oh ok I go talk there :)
[00:40] <dman777> https://dpaste.org/7xRS#L53,57,63 How can I install nvidia-settings without pulling in gnome desktop? I ran sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings --no-install-recommends --no-install-suggests but it still wants to pull in a tone gnome softwar
[00:43] <oerheks> dman777, what desktop do you use then? and ubuntu version?
[00:44] <oerheks> stettings is a graphical tool, so ...
[00:44] <dman777> oerheks: I am using Ubuntu server focal. I am not using a desktop....just X11 server alone atm
[00:45] <oerheks> i guess, the answer is no?
[00:46] <dman777> sorry, I don't understand exactly what you are asking
[00:47] <dman777> oerheks: I installed using Ubuntu Focal ubuntu-20.04.2-live-server-amd64.iso. There is no desktop managers.
[00:49] <Ginalo> Hi. Has anyonw ever ran to an issue where you cant select text on `gedit` nor the terminal using either mouse or keyboard?
[01:40] <devslash-> Every time I run dpkg --configure -a my Ubuntu 20.04 system locks up
[01:41] <devslash-> I could use some help I don't know what to do
[01:50] <Bashing-om> devslash-: A place to start troubleshooting is to see what the package manager thinks - what results in the 1st step of ' sudo apt update ' ?
[01:52] <devslash-> It updates
[01:52] <devslash-> Then says I have 117 packages to upgrade
[01:53] <Bashing-om> devslash-: Now try 2nd ' sudo apt full-upgrade ' :D
[01:53] <devslash-> If I do apt upgrade it says dpkg was interrupted
[01:53] <devslash-> Samr
[01:53] <Bashing-om> devslash-: If errors - please pastebin the complete output.
[01:54] <Bashing-om> !paste | devslash-
[01:54] <devslash-> It says to run dpkg --configure -a
[01:54] <devslash-> Every time that I run that command ubunru locks up
[01:54] <Bashing-om> devslash-: Should ^^ give a list of why .. we need to see that list.
[01:55] <devslash-> No
[01:55] <devslash-> Doesn't say anything else
[01:58] <Bashing-om> devslash-: Not much help then ,,, let's try ' sudo apt autoclean ; sudo apt autoremove ; sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo apt -f install ; sudo dpkg -C '.
[03:08] <morganu> 20.04 i HAVE A CHROME WINDOW AND i CANNOT GRAB THE BOTTOM TO MAKE THE WINDOW LESS TALL. help
[03:08] <morganu> OOPS CAPS
[03:08] <morganu> sorry
[03:09] <morganu> the "good ole alt-grab" no longer works.
[03:21] <morganu> what? (I moved the window to the left and it got smaller.) Works now, I solved MY problem.
[03:22] <Bashing-om> !yay | morganu
[03:26] <morganu> thanks... that reteaches me how to use ubottu. The other day I searched online and could not find how to talk politely enough to get him to listen. lol.
[03:31] <Bashing-om> morganu: Talking to google is in fact a deep act of diplomacy.
[03:32] <morganu> looking it up myself before asking is a must, just basically polite.
[04:37] <gruntovcan> hi there. any data analystis/marketers using ubuntu, i have some use case questions. plus, do you use ubuntu for your business? are you missing anything?
[04:41] <gruntovcan> hi there. any data analystis/marketers using ubuntu, i have some use case questions. plus, do you use ubuntu for your business? are you missing anything?
[04:42] <gruntovcan> additionally - how big is your /home partition?
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> !partitioning | gruntovcan
[04:50] <Buzzard-Buzz> ch
[09:24] <croraf> Hi. Again I have issue with apt (permission error). /var/lib/apt/lists had all owners as root. But every now and then some file gets the owner _apt ? Why is this occuring, and what does it mean?
[09:41] <unimatrix9> hello all
[09:42] <unimatrix9> i tried to turnoff the updater ( ubuntu 20.04 ) , but it still shows up .. is there a know way to get it off ?
[09:43] <unimatrix9> even editing : APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1";
[09:43] <unimatrix9> APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "1";
[09:44] <unimatrix9> does not work somehow..
[09:45] <unimatrix9> any tips or insight is welcome since it constantly is breaking my vm machine server boot
[10:18] <leggenda> g 11 04:46:52 2021 GM to Nov  9 04:46:50 2021 GM
[10:18] <leggenda> * * Cipher info:
[10:48] <linux^> hi
[11:32] <linuxuser-123> cd Desktop
[12:13] <fedorafan> hello how to copy all files into the same directory with a new suffix for example
[12:18] <tomreyn> fedorafan: linux file systems and shells have no concept of file suffixes, so it's basically just "renaming the file, based on a pattern".
[12:18] <tomreyn> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/44326716/shell-copy-a-file-but-changing-extension#answers
[12:19] <fedorafan> thx someone else also told me a shell script i wanna try thanks
[12:25] <fedorafan> tomreyn yeah i used something very similar people in another room also told me to use such a script and it seems to work thanks
[12:26] <tomreyn> please don't cross-post, though
[12:31] <fedorafan> cross-post?
[12:32] <fedorafan> tomreyn do you want to forbid me to ask in other rooms too are you serious
[12:32] <fedorafan> did i get you right
[12:33] <ThinkT510> would you be diligent enough to inform all the rooms you asked when you do find the solution to your issue?
[12:33] <BinarySavior_> how can I installed 32 bit compatibility of my nvidia driver to run old games in wine?
[12:33] <fedorafan> i did so yeah
[12:33] <fedorafan> otherwise just forget?
[12:33] <fedorafan> highlight me ask me
[12:33] <fedorafan> guys
[12:34] <fedorafan> focus on your topics here am out now i have enough for now here
[12:48]  * ramblebamble shakes head
[12:55] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:44] <BinarySavior> okay i figured out my issue. i had two repos from nvidia, one for cuda, and one for regular drivers, apt was prioritizing the cuda repo, and that driver had no i386 candidate, so it was only installing the 64bit version.  I had to disable the cuda repo, uninstall my nvidia drivers, then install again, now I have 32bit compatibility
[13:45] <BinarySavior> so does that mean I wont be able to use cuda & play my old 32 bit games on the same environment?
[13:53] <transhumanist> anyone able to tell me where there is good directions for installing multiple instances of ubuntu on wsl2 (older version 16.04 and 14.04?)
[13:55] <KBar> BinarySavior: O
[13:55] <KBar> I think it's possible to have a package for multiple architectures installed
[13:57] <ramblebamble> BinarySavior, running 64bit and Steam installs 32bit libraries, so it is possible, BTW, I am using Arch
[13:57] <BinarySavior> yea but 32-bit libs are not available under cuda repo
[13:58] <ramblebamble> also would a VM be an option? seeing that the games are old/er their requirements might not be so dramatic
[13:58] <ramblebamble> So? you don't want to install cuda 32bit anyways
[13:58] <BinarySavior> i'm playing diablo 2, it does run in a vm but it's not very fun
[13:58] <BinarySavior> cuda doesn't have 32bit candidate for libnvidia-gl-470
[13:59] <BinarySavior> KBar, yes, if such packages exist
[13:59] <ramblebamble> the libraries are used by the application, so IMHO the application should go out of it's way and load them by itself to talk to the driver
[14:00] <KBar> would be appropriate to quote Linus' words about nvidia
[14:00] <ramblebamble> why do you want cuda32bit anyways if diabolo is not requiring it
[14:00] <BinarySavior> i'm using cuda for other projects, i added the repo to apt and now apt prioritizes the cuda libs over the regular nvidia libs
[14:01] <KBar> do you have enough free space?
[14:01] <ramblebamble> So? The other projects use cuda and diabolo/the application you use to run diabolo loads the 32bit libraries, not a big deal, as I said steam does it
[14:01] <transhumanist> is there a seperate channel for ubuntu on wsl2?
[14:01] <BinarySavior> so even though i added i386 architecture to apt, it doesn't install the 32bit version because it searches cuda first, it finds the package i want (64bit) but it doesn't have the 32 bit version
[14:01] <KBar> one option would be to install ubuntu on a free partition to play older games. for this purpose explicitly
[14:02] <ramblebamble> BinarySavior https://askubuntu.com/questions/27362/how-to-only-install-updates-from-a-specific-repository
[14:03] <ramblebamble> Also, I believe there to be an option to change the priority of the repositories
[14:04] <BinarySavior> nice, that would have been easier than commenting out the repo in the cuda.list file
[14:04] <KBar> transhumanist i dont believe so
[14:04] <transhumanist> ok thansk
[14:05] <ramblebamble> BinarySavior, my memory served me well, see here https://askubuntu.com/questions/135339/assign-highest-priority-to-my-local-repository
[14:05] <KBar> yw
[14:39] <beuys> What is the prefereable Ubuntu version these days? 20.04 LTS or 21.04?
[14:41] <transhumanist> I thought they were going to suport ubuntu for like 20 years or something , why is ubuntu 16.04 so broken, sigh
[14:42] <SegaSaturnGB> I broke my ubuntu the other day but im new and playing around so :/
[14:42] <beuys> 21.04 seems to be only supported for 9 months. That sounds pretty crazy. What happens after those 9 months?
[14:44] <kc2bez> beuys: You can upgrade to a newer release.
[14:44] <beuys> kc2bez: Via "apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[14:44] <sonicwind> beuys, people who use the non-LTS versions would then typically upgrade to the newest LTS or non-LTS release
[14:45] <kc2bez> via do-release-upgrade beuys beuys
[14:45] <sonicwind> if you aren't interested in those, then you should be sticking to the longer supported LTS releases
[14:45] <beuys> I think I'll go with 20.04 TLS. I don't want to have to fiddle with it again in just 9 months.
[14:47] <beuys> I guess companies all use the TLS version.
[14:48] <beuys> LTS
[14:48] <daoumilseitek> hey there ; i can't start lightdm-settings : "Could not load /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.". Missing package ?
[14:48] <daoumilseitek> google doens't help me
[14:48] <Guest5> hello. i am having random hangs/freezes when using ubuntu on a 10 year old laptop with atom processor. this issue didnt occur on windows 7. any way to prevent the hangs/freezes?
[14:48] <pycurious> Are there any other alternatives to supervisord to run process groups on ubuntu? I want to run a webserver with multiple processes
[14:48] <beuys> I feel better being in one boat with all the enterprise users out there. Rather than with private users who are fine with updates every few months.
[14:49] <sonicwind> daoumilseitek, what version are you using?
[14:49] <daoumilseitek> sonicwind: linuxmint (is it allowed there ?) 20 Ulyana
[14:50] <linuxfreezes> hello again.. hello. i am having random hangs/freezes when using ubuntu on a 10 year old laptop with atom processor. this issue didnt occur on windows 7. any way to prevent the hangs/freezes?
[14:50] <BinarySavior> LTS versions of ubuntu are released in april of even years
[14:50] <sonicwind> daoumilseitek, this is for Ubuntu support. I think they send Mint folks elsewhere
[14:50] <BinarySavior> e.g. 20.04, 18.04, 16.04
[14:50] <BinarySavior> anything else is not LTS
[14:50] <BinarySavior> so 21.04 is not LTS but 22.04 will be LTS
[14:50] <daoumilseitek> i asked on #linuxmint, i'll try the official channel
[14:51] <linuxfreezes> anyone help me out!
[14:51] <daoumilseitek> linuxfreezes: is it an asus ?
[14:51] <daoumilseitek> or acer ?
[14:51] <linuxfreezes> it is an acer aspire aod250
[14:52] <linuxfreezes> daoumilseitek acer
[14:52] <linuxfreezes> somehow the ssh session works but xfce stops
[14:52] <linuxfreezes> and works if i initiate a sudo reboot
[14:52] <daoumilseitek> linuxfreezes: is it a slow freeze or total immediate freeze ?
[14:52] <linuxfreezes> but xfce never works
[14:53] <linuxfreezes> an immediate freeze
[14:53] <linuxfreezes> usually when opening websites on firefox
[14:53] <daoumilseitek> ok well it kind of reminds me of my issue, but don't get your hopes up i didn't find a solution
[14:53] <daoumilseitek> yep soudns like it
[14:53] <LOOL123> Is this channel logged?
[14:53] <linuxfreezes> daoumilseitek then it is bad
[14:53] <linuxfreezes> daoumilseitek yours was an acer?
[14:53] <daoumilseitek> linuxfreezes: the exact issue was never made clear but it had to do with graphics incompatibility
[14:53] <daoumilseitek> yes it was
[14:54] <linuxfreezes> it sometimes freezes on boot
[14:54] <daoumilseitek> either the driver or hardware was incompatible with graphics system used in firefox
[14:54] <daoumilseitek> yes me too
[14:54] <linuxfreezes> only sshing to it from a remote machine works and you can reboot it
[14:54] <daoumilseitek> i would have random hard freezes, without even a note in the kernel logs !
[14:54] <LOOL123> daoumilseitek me?
[14:54] <LOOL123> are you talking to me?
[14:54] <daoumilseitek> no
[14:55] <sonicwind> LOOL123, https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[14:55] <linuxfreezes> if it persists i will need to install windows 7 or something again
[14:55] <LOOL123>  sonicwind: then yes it is logged?
[14:55] <daoumilseitek> afraid so
[14:55] <linuxfreezes> daoumilseitek do you think lxde will fix the issue?
[14:55] <sonicwind> LOOL123, yes
[14:55] <LOOL123> ok
[14:55] <daoumilseitek> i don't think it's related to xfce
[14:55] <linuxfreezes> hm
[14:55] <daoumilseitek> more some low level graphics stuff
[14:56] <linuxfreezes> hm
[14:56] <daoumilseitek> i asked about it on mozilla forum, nobody could provide a definitive answer
[14:56] <linuxfreezes> is there a way to restart/force restart xfwm4/xfce session from a remote ssh client?
[14:56] <linuxfreezes> so that i ssh to it from phone and type a command, hoping that it may restart the gui
[14:57] <linuxfreezes> without having to reboot
[14:57] <daoumilseitek> there should be, but i think it's the whole graphic system that crashes, not just xfce
[14:57] <daoumilseitek> have you tried killing it
[14:57] <beuys> I am dding an iso to a thumb drive with "status=progress" and dd showd "1.5 GB copied" after just a second or so.
[14:57] <daoumilseitek> freezes*
[14:58] <linuxfreezes> daoumilseitek hm xfwm4, i can kill it but dont know how to start it (from a ssh client on phone)
[14:58] <linuxfreezes> daoumilseitek with a pgrep and sudo kill -9 pid
[14:58] <linuxfreezes> basically the window hangs from the laptop
[14:58] <daoumilseitek> doesn't it restart by itself ?
[14:58] <linuxfreezes> i cant open a terminal
[14:58] <linuxfreezes> no it doesnt!
[14:58] <daoumilseitek> hu
[14:59] <linuxfreezes> i will check it again this time
[14:59] <daoumilseitek>  ask xfce maybe
[14:59] <linuxfreezes> perhaps i got a message from the phone that display is not available
[14:59] <linuxfreezes> so, it is something that can be started from a windowed GUI
[14:59] <linuxfreezes> not from a terminal remote session
[15:02] <transhumanist> does that billionare still own ubuntu?
[15:03] <transhumanist> shuttlesworth or whatever
[15:04] <KBar> i dont think he is a billionaire and he is not the owner of ubuntu
[15:04] <KBar> he is the ceo of canonical, the company behind ubuntu
[15:04] <KBar> but ubuntu itself is entirely a community project
[15:09] <beuys> Wow, they have over 500 employees.
[15:09] <beuys> I wonder what they all do.
[15:13] <srv> thas why linux mint is better than ubuntu even is a ubuntu distro  dont do what this greedy canonical boys thas all i'gonna say i dont gonna put more pepper to the chatting here
[15:13] <srv> :P
[15:16] <BuzzardBuzz> being a provider of services for fees is business as usual, not greedy at all
[15:18] <daoumilseitek> FTR found the solution : had to add
[15:18] <daoumilseitek> [Greeter]
[15:18] <beuys> srv: Problem with Mint is that it has no security. You can circumvent the screensaver by plugging in (or out) an external monitor.
[15:18] <daoumilseitek> clock-format=%H:%M
[15:18] <daoumilseitek> to /etc/lightdm/slick-greeter.conf
[15:19] <srv> canonical=red-hat=microsoft= greedy ppl they only want one thin $$$$$$$$$$
[15:19] <daoumilseitek> woops wrong channel
[15:19] <huskedd> canonical ?
[15:19] <huskedd> why ?
[15:20] <BuzzardBuzz> hacks srv into the next galaxy
[15:20] <BuzzardBuzz> ooppsie
[15:22] <ogra> srv, wrong perspective ... canonical has only recently started making any revenue at all ... for the 15y before mark shuttleworth paid developers from his own pocket to maintain a free stable package archive (and provide security fixes for it) that has enabled linux mint to exist at all
[15:23] <pycurious> I'm trying to run 4 processes for my webserver- systemctl or superviro or something else?
[15:24] <BuzzardBuzz> test the ones you know how
[15:24] <BuzzardBuzz> then you know
[15:25] <huskedd> how red-hat make money ?
[15:26] <BuzzardBuzz> services for fees
[15:26] <ogra> selling software
[15:26] <BuzzardBuzz> software with suppport
[15:26] <ogra> (they make oney by selling licenses for a closed version of linux)
[15:26] <ogra> s/closed/trademarked/
[15:27] <pycurious> is there a good alternative for ubuntu-liveupdate that is free?
[15:27] <BuzzardBuzz> not really
[15:30] <rogre> hi
[15:38] <erbremar> Working with ubuntu 21.10: quite stable
[15:39] <beuys> So I booted into the Ubuntu stick. And it gives me no option "install ubuntu". Just "ubuntu / ubuntu (safe graphics) / oem install (for manufacturers)". Which one should I use? Do you install Ubunut after booting it from the thumb drive?
[15:40] <KBar> it means you booted with uefi
[15:40] <KBar> use ubuntu
[15:40] <KBar> desktop should boot up
[15:40] <KBar> then ubiquity (installer) comes up
[15:40] <beuys> KBar: Ok. Booting ... so no txt based installer?
[15:40] <KBar> and will give you 2 options:
[15:40] <KBar>  try or install ubuntu
[15:41] <KBar> i dont think recent version have the classic text-based debian-installer
[15:41] <beuys> Ok. Currently it is "checking disks"...
[15:41] <KBar> versions*
[15:42] <KBar> it should not take a long time. if you're not in a hurry, its better to let it run
[15:42] <beuys> Is it checking the thumb drive?
[15:43] <erbremar> usb stiks are quite slow usually
[15:43] <KBar> yes. its checking the filesystem
[15:43] <KBar> of your thumb drive (that contains the ISO)
[15:44] <erbremar> I preferred an installation process through the cd
[15:44] <KBar> can you fit the standard ISO into a cd tho?
[15:46] <erbremar> dvd
[15:46] <KBar> ah
[15:49] <KBar> beuys success?
[15:50] <beuys> KBar: So far so good. Looking at the partition manager now.
[15:50] <KBar> awesome! good luck
[15:50] <beuys> Well, it seems not to be a partition manager.
[15:51] <beuys> It lets me select partitions but not delete/create/resize them.
[15:51] <KBar> oh you can
[15:51] <beuys> Oh yes, I see!
[15:51] <KBar> you just need to select something else
[15:51] <KBar> great!
[15:51] <beuys> The "-" button deletes one.
[15:52] <beuys> Hm... how many MBs are 100GB? 100000?
[15:52] <KBar> 100 * 1 000
[15:52] <KBar> 100 000
[15:52] <KBar> yes
[15:53] <beuys> Thanks
[15:53] <KBar> np!
[15:53] <KBar> i assume you are coming from debian?
[15:54] <KBar> anyway, welcome
[15:55] <beuys> Yeah, I consider switching because Debian does not patch Chromium anymore.
[15:55] <beuys> Not sure if Ubuntus "snaps" approach to tame Chromium is a viable option. I will give it a try.
[15:56] <KBar> thats the beauty of Linux, isn't it? try whatever you want. install whatever you like!
[15:56] <KBar> gl
[16:02] <transhumanist> 6 hours to fix ubuntu 16.04 to get python working right, what a mess
[16:04] <ravage> You could have setup a new nice 20.04 system in 1 hour
[16:05] <Mekaneck> transhumanist: you know 16.04 is EOL?
[16:06] <ravage> I'm sure he pays that billionaire for extended support :D
[16:06] <KBar> that's why he is a billionaire now!
[16:07] <Mekaneck> ravage: ESM is free for regular users up to 3 machines. Ubuntu Members get it for free upto 50 machines.
[16:07] <ravage> You really know how to ruin a joke
[16:07] <Mekaneck> but here in the channel we don't think of people using ESM in the first place
[16:08] <Mekaneck> and this channel is for support not jokes, you can do so in -offtopic ;)
[16:08] <ravage> Wow
[16:09] <Mekaneck> just saying
[16:10] <KBar> nevermind
[16:12] <erbremar> after installing ubuntu, to install python (through anaconda), you can follow the instructions here: a) https://docs.anaconda.com/anaconda/install/linux/ ;b)https://www.anaconda.com/products/individual#linux : few minutes to get everything working
[16:37] <pycurious> what is the best way to run a process in a loop - if it dies - i want it to be restarted - unless its a Ctrl+c on the keyboard?
[16:38] <ramblebamble> pycurious, use a shell-script with a trap
[16:44] <erbremar> pycurious: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/696839/how-do-i-write-a-bash-script-to-restart-a-process-if-it-dies
[16:46] <doxa> can anyone help me on ssh_config plz
[16:46] <ramblebamble> pycurious https://sebsauvage.net/paste/?40a664b2af88ea2d#B9E8wV3XHsjURQcI/FqnI/8kHPyfW0EUVwlla9Ac/18=
[16:47] <pycurious> erbremar: Thanks!
[16:50] <ramblebamble> erbremar, interesting solution you dug up there, bookmarking that one :)
[16:56] <transhumanist> Mekaneck: I thought canonical had decided to continue support of ubuntu for 20 years instead of 4 or 8 for LTS versions?
[16:57] <nr0q_radio> and somehow I got banned from #debian for asking a question :(
[16:58] <nr0q_radio> maybe I can ask it here if that's ok even though it's go more to do with upstream
[16:58] <srv> they are like that
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> nr0q_radio: we can only support ubuntu issues
[16:59] <nr0q_radio> ok :(
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> nr0q_radio: install ubuntu and bypass that :p
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> come to #ubuntu-discuss transhumanist
[16:59] <nr0q_radio> well I don't actually use Debian either, I'm from the dark side of Linux but looking to release a program for Debian/Ubuntu/....
[17:00] <ogra> nr0q_radio, also, did you consider going to the respective upstream channel or file an issue in the respective upstream bugtracker?
[17:00] <nr0q_radio> well it's a very general question so not really appropos for bugtracker yet
[17:00] <srv> the ethernal battle between good and evil = debian and ubuntu
[17:00] <ogra> nonsense
[17:01] <pycurious> how do i get the latest version of python3 (3.9) on ubuntu 20.04lts?
[17:01] <nr0q_radio> I was just wanting to know what the rule is for repacking pre-built binaries .. because well they are a PITA to build
[17:01] <ogra> nr0q_radio, in ubuntu -> use snaps, this is what they are for ...
[17:02] <nr0q_radio> uggh ok, I hate snaps but I guess if that's the only way
[17:02] <ogra> it's definitely the easiest way
[17:02] <ramblebamble> nr0q_radio, well there is also flatpack
[17:02] <ramblebamble> but that is not the ubuntu default
[17:02] <nr0q_radio> yup on the Fedora side it was either Flatpack or COPR and I went with COPR
[17:03] <nr0q_radio> i was kinda hoping Deb/Ubuntu had their own flavor of a COPR repo
[17:04] <srv> thats why to no have problems i run 5 ms in virtual box, linus mint ,linux mint debian edition,solus,fedora35 and solus
[17:04] <srv> :P
[17:05] <srv> vms*
[17:05] <srv> sorry
[17:05] <srv> an forgert voidlinux
[17:05] <nr0q_radio> lol I'm doing the same, host is RHEL8, I have F35, Deb11, MacOS, Win10, and several other linux's that my app may find itself on
[17:05] <srv> i've writen solus twice
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> !ot
[17:07] <nr0q_radio> so back to ubuntu specifically, the most proper is snaps/flatpack for anything that isn't a pure built from source and pack'd  package
[17:07] <nr0q_radio> unless I just host my own repo?
[17:21] <BinarySavior> what's the program called commonly used to gather information about filesystem / specific directory
[17:22] <BinarySavior> it's a text-based program, runs in terminal
[17:22] <BinarySavior> it's like 4 letters i think
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> inxi?
[17:22] <ramblebamble> fsck?
[17:22] <ramblebamble> stat?
[17:23] <ramblebamble> there are many what information are you looking for specifically?
[17:23] <BinarySavior> no it displays folder size
[17:23] <ramblebamble> df -sh <folder>
[17:23] <ramblebamble> sorry dy
[17:23] <ramblebamble> du not df
[17:24] <ogra> du shows filesystem metadata, df shows physically used blocks ... you can use both if you know the difference and can read the output 😉
[17:24] <BinarySavior> yea, du
[17:24] <ramblebamble> But that is 2 letters you sure you have the right one :D
[17:24] <BinarySavior> not positive, but i think it was du
[17:25] <BinarySavior> does du come native on ubuntu 21.04?
[17:25] <ogra> on all linux distros i think
[17:25] <BinarySavior> iirc i had to install the program i'm trying to think of
[17:25] <ramblebamble> I believe it to be in the core-packages of all distros
[17:27] <bankin> BinarySavior: ncdu ?
[17:31] <Mekaneck> transhumanist: 10 years with ESM
[17:34] <Mekaneck> Normal support for 16.04 ended in April. Either clean install a newer version or try to enable ESM if that even is possible.
[17:43] <beuys> I installed Ubuntu. How do I become root in the terminal?
[17:44] <beuys> hmm.. "sudo su" seems to work.
[17:44] <beuys> How do I create a shortcup for a root terminal so I dont have to run bash as root inside of bash as user?
[17:45] <goddard> beuys:sudo su
[17:46] <beuys> goddard: Yes, that is how I became root. My question now is how to create a short cut for that.
[17:46] <goddard> bash script
[17:46] <goddard> chmod +x myscript.sh
[17:46] <beuys> goddard: But how do I add it to this area that pops up when I type F1 and start typing?
[17:47] <goddard> what is F1?
[17:47] <beuys> goddard: A key
[17:47] <goddard> i don't know what you are referring to
[17:47] <beuys> goddard: The way I start the terminal is: I hit F1 then type "term" and hit enter.
[17:47] <beuys> goddard: How do you start it?
[17:48] <goddard> ctrl + alt + t
[17:49] <beuys> goddard: I see. But how do you start applications that do not have a key combo?
[17:49] <goddard> many different ways
[17:49] <goddard> meta key
[17:49] <goddard> then type the name
[17:49] <beuys> goddard: Yeah, meta key and F1 do the same.
[17:50] <goddard> meta / opt / start key
[17:50] <goddard> ok
[17:50] <goddard> if you want to have a menu item
[17:50] <beuys> goddard: And my question is how I get to a point where I hit F1 then start typing roo.. and get suggested a root terminal.
[17:50] <goddard> you need a .desktop file
[17:50] <beuys> Ah, that thingy.
[17:50] <goddard> then make that .desktop file reference your bash script
[17:50] <beuys> Yeah. That is a Gnome thing I guess. I fiddled with it before.
[17:51] <goddard> i think it is a standard for linux desktop
[17:55] <beuys> What is a safe way to copy everything inside a directory to another? "cp -r src dest"? or will that lose dotfiles or something?
[17:56] <ramblebamble> beuys, depending on what is in there(e.g. symlinks) you might want to add "-a" or go with rsync right away
[17:57] <ramblebamble> the command itself should copy dot-files over as well
[17:57] <ramblebamble> since it works on the directory and not the directories content
[17:58] <ramblebamble> e.g. cp -ra src/* dst does not copy dot-files
[17:58] <beuys> Hmmm... I think there are no simlinks.
[17:58] <BinarySavior> hi, the output of fdisk -l contains this: https://bpa.st/YY6Q
[17:59] <ramblebamble> oh and do not forget "-p" for preserving ownership
[17:59] <beuys> ramblebamble: -ap?
[17:59] <BinarySavior> if i want to mount the filesystem on that disk, should i be looking at sda3 or sda5?
[18:00] <ramblebamble> beuys ahh sorry -p is not needed and neither is -r it is all implied in "-a"
[18:00] <ramblebamble> just opened the manpages
[18:01] <ramblebamble> -a --> -d -R --preserve=all
[18:01] <beuys> I copied it via "cp -r" now. Do you think I lost anything?
[18:02] <ramblebamble> only meta-data like ownership, timesstamps, symlinks if you have any in the source,
[18:02] <beuys> timestamps get lost?
[18:02] <ramblebamble> BinarySavior, /dev/sda3 and 5 seem to be independent disks
[18:03] <ramblebamble> beuys,well not lost, updated to the time of the copy operation
[18:03] <ramblebamble> on the destination that is
[18:03] <BinarySavior> ramblebamble, i don't see how that's possible, as the entire disk os only 960G
[18:04] <beuys> ramblebamble: Hmm.. that is bad. Then I will redo it with "cp -a src dest"
[18:04] <ramblebamble> BinarySavior, you are right, the star and end-sectors are overlapping, that is definitely not good
[18:04] <beuys> So "cp -a" is the ultimate fine way to make a good copy?
[18:04] <ramblebamble> try mounting either one of them in read only mode
[18:05] <ramblebamble> beuys, what is the purpose for that copy? backup?
[18:05] <beuys> ramblebamble: Copy my projects from old disk to new disk.
[18:06] <ramblebamble> ok, then "-a" will do
[18:07] <beuys> Lets hope for the best :)
[18:08] <ramblebamble> yeah but please don't cross post next time around beuys, I am also in linux, cross posting is considered bad form
[18:08] <beuys> ramblebamble: Sorry man.
[18:08] <ramblebamble> no problem, just saying ;)
[19:02] <nuala> how to further debug random wifi disrupts. I can assure router is online (other device habe no issue). dmesg outputs nothing after successful authentification. after random(5,120+) minutes connection is lost
[19:02] <nuala> s/habe/have
[19:10] <alex_> hi?
[19:10] <mybalzitch> hi
[19:10] <alex_> nice , is this ubuntu irc ?
[19:49] <ash_m> Is there a signal I can trap before the system suspends/sleeps?
[19:50] <ash_m> SIGTSTP apparently
[20:12] <Lumpio-> https://i.imgur.com/2rCah1F.png
[20:12] <Lumpio-> How about.... I just don't
[20:12] <Lumpio-> why are you so shit, snap
[20:17] <nr0q_radio> ^ is the reason I hate snaps and refuse to use them
[20:18] <ogra> nr0q_radio, because they tell you that they want to apply a security fix befre doing it ?
[20:21] <nr0q_radio> no because either they don't work when you need them to, trash up the file system with loop mounts and half the time conflict with packages that are available via the system's native package manager on top of popping endless streams of annoying messages on the gui
[20:22] <nr0q_radio> I tried the snap of OBS studio and it had stuff in it that broke my OS so I ended up just building OBS Studio from source doe at that point
[20:22] <ogra> nr0q_radio, did you fine any bugs about either of these issues (if so can you give a bug number ?)
[20:22] <ogra> *file
[20:22]  * ogra has never had any snap interfering with any deb installed app (and it would technically be really hard to do)
[20:23] <ogra> i use OBS happily here all the time from the snap and i know a lot others that do ...
[20:24] <ogra> in what way did it break your OS ? (note that snaps are completey decoubled from the OS, they normally can not even see files that you did not manually permit them to see)
[20:24] <ogra> *decoupled
[20:26] <nr0q_radio> I'm not fully sure, just knew that I installed OBS studio from snap, got a kernel panic and system never booted again after that, theory is that it tried to replace some system lib with a newer one then I had
[20:27] <ogra> that cant happen
[20:27] <ogra> would have been good to file a bug and attach all logs ...
[20:27] <nr0q_radio> if i ever dare to reproduce it i'll do that
[20:28] <ogra> 👍
[20:39] <coraxx> I've just got a Asus ZenBook 13 ... how do I adjust the brightness ... or rather how do I just the brightness control to work ?
[20:39] <morganu> using bash, how can I find the freespace and usedspace on my hd?
[20:39] <coraxx> *just=get
[20:39] <morganu> coraxx did you already google it?
[20:40] <nr0q_radio> `df -h` shows disk usage
[20:40] <nr0q_radio> the -h makes it "human" readable
[20:40] <coraxx> morganu: yup ... it tells me several thing ... for one use kernel 5.8 or newer ...
[20:40] <morganu> https://criticalmas.medium.com/my-new-asus-zenbook-was-too-dark-how-i-fixed-it-5be99d95d46d
[20:41] <morganu> it is definitely a workaround.
[20:41] <coraxx> morganu: ... and the support pages talk about kernel paramters (acpi_backlight=vendor etc) ...nothing works
[20:42] <morganu> Please read it. It isnt about those. It is hidden in Power options. so says the result of my lucky fingers and DDgo
[20:42] <morganu> eg  I was having issues where my Zenbook was overriding the brightness level I wanted based on the room lighting. Even though it was turned up, it would sometimes still go dark.
[20:42] <morganu> To fix that, uncheck “Change brightness automatically when lighting changes”.
[20:43] <morganu> I’m not sure why Zenbooks are shipped with such a dark display and I have no clue why the ASUS Support representative was unable to assist me. But, the good news is the brightness level of my Zenbook is now the same as my desktop and Chromebook.
[20:43] <coraxx> morganu: uhmm..the link you've sent seems to be about Microsoft Windows ?
[20:44] <morganu> coraxx, I think you might look and see if there are similar things in Ubuntu.
[20:44] <coraxx> morganu: yes ...found the similar function in ubuntu ...however my screen is to bright ...and nothing I do changes the brightness.
[20:45] <morganu> me, I dont know how to do a bash command to give me the used and unused parts of my hard drive (size of)
[20:45] <coraxx> morganu: use "df"
[20:45] <morganu> Oh you have the opposite problem from the guy in the answer I found.
[20:46] <morganu> OK now I can see if my pocket drive has enough room.
[20:47] <morganu> coraxx, is there a place where you can see "a percent max for "display brightness"?
[20:48] <coraxx> morganu: not in the gui ...but with CLI commands I can look at the /sys/proc parameters ...(which I have checked)
[20:49] <morganu> have you installed "ubuntu tweaks" ?  That will give you more options.
[20:49] <coraxx> morganu: on the laptop there are two different brightness controllers ... one for the keyboard backlight ...and one for the screen ...one is produced by Intel and the other is produced by Asus
[20:50] <morganu> fn-f5 and turns it sown and fn-f6 tturns it up --- on an asus gaming laptop. try that?
[20:50] <coraxx> morganu: Ubuntu tweak wont help as (I suspect) the problem is deeper ...on kernel or kernel-module level
[20:51] <coraxx> morganu: the fn-F4 and fn-F5 functions work ...and it shows the procentage decrease and increase ...but it still doesn't change the brightness.
[20:52] <morganu> that was 5..6 but hmmm.
[20:53] <morganu> well if it is kernel it is hopeless. So there is no place that controls max screen% hmm
[20:54] <coraxx> morganu: yes there is /sys/proc ... but it doesn't work
[20:54] <coraxx> morganu: https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71dDQ3WVY4S._AC_SL1500_.jpg
[20:54] <morganu>  https://askubuntu.com/questions/1261190/cant-change-screen-brightness-on-ubuntu-20-04-always-display-maximum-brightnes
[20:54] <coraxx> coraxx: ...just so you can see the F4 and F5 keys
[20:55] <morganu> oh sorry.
[20:56] <morganu> And here is one that says the FN brightness keys only work AFTER you do --blabla--  https://askubuntu.com/questions/1049681/ubuntu-18-04-cannot-change-display-brightness-or-wake-from-sleep-on-asus-rog-lap
[20:56] <coraxx> morganu: yes ..that the one I've got ..the "upgrade your kernel" ...and as I had a 5.4 I upgraded it to 5.11 ... that at least gave me control of the keyboard backlight ...screen doesn't work.
[20:56] <coraxx> morganu: my kets work fine
[20:57] <coraxx> morganu: *kets = keys
[21:08] <morganu> well, you see what I have been doing. Knowing_nothing + google_fu(in_progress) -leads-to-> things to try.
[21:10] <morganu> I am just a person who come here.. right now my chrome or ff cannot handle having a lot of table. It freezes at least every 2 days so I prophalactically do >killall chrome -9 and restart chrome to keep going. -- also I have SIMM problems still undetermined (old 2017 dell half-height)
[21:10] <morganu> table should read tabs
[21:12] <morganu> Ok I will run memtest86+ overnight tonight.
[21:13] <morganu> my answer. https://askubuntu.com/questions/591488/how-do-i-run-memtest86
[21:24] <tomreyn> morganu: you won't have this option if you're uefi booting, though: https://askubuntu.com/questions/917961/can-i-boot-memtest86-if-im-using-uefi#answers
[21:25] <morganu> tomreyn, thanks. I will see if I am. It is a dell but I x'ed windows.
[21:25] <tomreyn> echo -n 'This system booted via: '; [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS
[21:25] <morganu> can I just turn it off in the bios?
[21:26] <morganu> response: This system booted via: BIOS
[21:26] <tomreyn> you can, but this would leave you with an unbootable system
[21:26] <tomreyn> ok, so nothing to do, just reboot after installing the memtest86+ package
[21:27] <tomreyn> (and select it from the grub menu)
[21:27] <morganu> I thought the memtest86+ comes with 20,04... oh thanks.  will tha apt install do it?
[21:28] <tomreyn> actually you're probably right in that it's already installed.
[21:28] <morganu> yep. it is
[21:29] <morganu> but checking told me there were packages to upgrade.
[21:29] <morganu> Cant it be automatic, she whines.
[21:30] <morganu> so many details. ah tonight I will get a deep look at my memory.
[21:30] <morganu> I wanted to do that before I take the chips out and clean up the connections and change the slots.
[21:31] <morganu> <-lazy bum has been putting it off. --.. OK TY very much.
[21:31] <tomreyn> it's the first thing i do on any newly acquired computer
[22:10] <BinarySavior> hi, i'm trying to mount a new hd i had laying around
[22:10] <BinarySavior> i just want to see what's on it in case i have somehting important
[22:10] <BinarySavior> https://bpa.st/U63Q
[22:10] <BinarySavior> for some reason it was in raid configuration with only 1 total hd
[22:10] <BinarySavior> but i'm having trouble mounting it, i'm getting "unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'."
[22:10] <NoBugButFeature> BinarySavior: You need to install a LVM program.  Maybe even have the drive unmounted.
[22:11] <BinarySavior> What do you mean maybe have the drive unmounted?
[22:11] <NoBugButFeature> Is it mounted right now?  If so, unmount it.
[22:12] <BinarySavior> the mount failed, but mdadm is running (not sure what that does but I think it simulates being in raid configuation)
[22:12] <NoBugButFeature> That's right.  But if you unmount it, then you can try "sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sdc /mountpoint -o remount"
[22:12] <TJ-> BinarySavior: the md0 isn't a file-system, as your output shows "LVM2_member" is is an LVM PV
[22:12] <TJ-> BinarySavior: "sudo pvs" may confirm it is an LVM PV
[22:12] <NoBugButFeature> TJ-: I'm not positive he has a filesystem on it though.
[22:13] <TJ-> BinarySavior: if you confirm it is a PV, then check if the PV is a member of a Volume Group (VG) with "sudo vgs"
[22:13] <NoBugButFeature> BinarySavior: You could try mounting your drive manually with: "sudo mount /dev/sdc /media/drive -t ext4 -o remount"
[22:13] <BinarySavior> this is the disk description from fdisk -l
[22:13] <TJ-> NoBugButFeature: STOP IT - NOW
[22:13] <BinarySavior> https://bpa.st/YE7A
[22:13] <NoBugButFeature> The point is that maybe your filesystem is just damaged.
[22:14] <BinarySavior> yea the filesystem is weird, there's two overlapping partitions
[22:14] <TJ-> BinarySavior: follow the instructions I'm giving you to identify if you can access anything on md0
[22:14] <BinarySavior> TJ-, okay
[22:15] <BinarySavior> TJ-, I don't have vgs
[22:15] <BinarySavior> what package is that?
[22:15] <TJ-> BinarySavior: you need to install "sudo apt install lvm2"
[22:15] <BinarySavior> oh okay
[22:16] <TJ-> BinarySavior: that explains why it didn't auto-discover the LVs
[22:16] <TJ-> BinarySavior: when lvm is installed the kernel/udev will auto-discover and create the device-mapper nodes
[22:16] <BinarySavior> https://bpa.st/VP7Q -> vgs
[22:17] <TJ-> BinarySavior: good; now activate it if possible with "sudo vgchange -ay vg1000"
[22:17] <TJ-> BinarySavior: at this point "lvdisplay" may list any Logical Volumes (LVs) in it
[22:17] <NoBugButFeature> Does anyone know if it's possible to have a Windows 10 LTSB as the default Ubuntu boot option?
[22:18] <TJ-> BinarySavior: LVs are like partitions - they will likely contain the file-systems
[22:18] <TJ-> BinarySavior: try "lsblk -f" now and you may see a bunch of LVs with file-systems within
[22:18] <NoBugButFeature> I'd rather not burn another Windows 10 ISO, it was annoying when I tried to do that last time.
[22:19] <BinarySavior> yes, i see the vg1000-lv
[22:19] <NoBugButFeature> I can always re-set grub if I have to.
[22:19] <BinarySavior> under md0
[22:20] <BinarySavior> oh it says diskstation, that means this was part of my Synology NAS at one point
[22:20] <NoBugButFeature> If anyone knows anything about my Windows 10 question, please reply.
[22:20] <TJ-> BinarySavior: if 'lsblk' revealed file-systems, those are the nodes you can mount
[22:22] <nisa> NoBugButFeature: you could just modify your /boot/grub/grub.cfg but I am unsure for how long modifications last there.
[22:22] <NoBugButFeature> nisa, this channel is public so you could do that.
[22:22] <nisa> (At least I tried to help)
[22:25] <BinarySavior> forgive me, my brain is dense, having trouble mounting that node: https://bpa.st/6PAA
[22:25] <BinarySavior> whops i didn't even put a destination on there
[22:30] <TortillaSandwich> so I am trying to install ubuntu on my main machine on a spare drive, i7 9700k with a nvidia 3080, I can get to grub and select "*ubuntu
[22:30] <NoBugButFeature> nisa, so your question is?
[22:30] <TortillaSandwich> " or other options
[22:30] <TortillaSandwich> but it doesn't starts to boot, then my display goes to "No singal" and shuts off
[22:30] <NoBugButFeature> nisa, it's still the same question. You could modify the grub.cfg or put GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text in the grub file itself.
[22:30] <TortillaSandwich> the machine says on, but the OS itself never boots.
[22:30] <TortillaSandwich> any ideas?
[22:31] <nisa> NoBugButFeature: that's what I was asking you to try but seems you are too dumb to understand. Please leave until you have learned how to communicate properly. Thanks.
[22:31] <NoBugButFeature> TortillaSandwich, what do you see before it tries to boot?
[22:31] <TortillaSandwich> brief terminal output, then graphical glitch, then nothing
[22:32] <TortillaSandwich> sgx disabled by bios
[22:32] <nisa> what's your graphics?
[22:32] <NoBugButFeature> Nisa, I'm here to help. I'm sure we can figure this out. You obviously have no idea how to communicate.
[22:32] <TortillaSandwich> vmx outside txt disabled by bios
[22:32] <NoBugButFeature> TortillaSandwich, oh
[22:32] <TortillaSandwich> it's a nvidia 3080ti
[22:32] <NoBugButFeature> What about the text mode? What happens? What is there?
[22:32] <TortillaSandwich> what is thext mode? oem?
[22:32] <NoBugButFeature> What is there? *what* text?
[22:32] <nisa> Like what does it say there Ig
[22:32] <TortillaSandwich> i tried to move to text mdoe but control alt f1-f7 doesn't switch to a TTY terminal
[22:32] <TortillaSandwich> unless im missing a change in command
[22:33] <nisa> I mean like, that's a good point. Could you try to capture what it says what it shows that text?
[22:33] <NoBugButFeature> Do you know what your bios is in?
[22:33] <nisa> before graphics glitch
[22:34] <nisa> also TortillaSandwich could you try booting on integrated graphics?
[22:34] <TortillaSandwich> i dont have integrated
[22:34] <nisa> No spare graphics card either?
[22:34] <TortillaSandwich> got a 2070 super around but i dont think that'll play a huge difference, and it'll be a pain to access it
[22:34] <nisa> well alright
[22:34] <NoBugButFeature> I'm having a ton of trouble getting to the console. Are you booting through grub?
[22:35] <TortillaSandwich> NoBugButFeature:  i dont get what you're asking, but its Asus's UEFI bios 2.20.1271
[22:35] <NoBugButFeature> That's fine
[22:36] <TortillaSandwich> i'lltry safe graphics mode
[22:36] <TortillaSandwich> ok it seemd fine with that, it just went to an ROG-themed ubuntu splash screen
[22:36] <TortillaSandwich> that booted... but im a bit worried now lol
[22:38] <nisa> TortillaSandwich: which graphics drivers are installed?
[22:38] <nisa> So it seems like it gets past grub which really calms me
[22:38] <NoBugButFeature> What version of Ubuntu are you booting with?
[22:41] <BinarySavior> okay i figured it out, i just had to mount /dev/vg1000/lv
[22:41] <TortillaSandwich> so it didnt work either way lol... now its stuck on "error fsycning/closing /dev/sdc1: input/output error"
[22:41] <TortillaSandwich> after i was setting my partitions up
[22:41] <NoBugButFeature> Are you booting from the live CD?
[22:41] <TortillaSandwich> usb drive, no cd rom here
[22:41] <TortillaSandwich> i get a retry and ignore button, clickingeither does nothing
[22:42] <nisa> TortillaSandwich: ohhh I thought you had already installed it
[22:42] <NoBugButFeature> So how did you install Ubuntu?
[22:42] <nr0q_radio> booting from a live image on a USB
[22:42] <nisa> NoBugButFeature: he did not
[22:42] <NoBugButFeature> I would use a CD.
[22:42] <nisa> why?
[22:42] <NoBugButFeature> USB does not work with UEFI Secure Boot.
[22:42] <nr0q_radio> unless he doesn't have a CD drive then that's not an option
[22:42] <nisa> That's always worked for me?
[22:42] <NoBugButFeature> nisa, yes it has. It did not with my BIOS, but that was due to a bug in the BIOS.
[22:43] <TortillaSandwich> nisa:  nope, i was trying to get there and now it wont generate a partition table
[22:43] <nr0q_radio> I've booted USB with secure UEFI, it's a pain sometimes but is doable
[22:43] <oerheks> update your bios perhaps?
[22:43] <TortillaSandwich> bios is at latest
[22:43] <TortillaSandwich> did that during a recent hardware change
[22:43] <NoBugButFeature> nisa, you should not use USB for Ubuntu. Always use a CD.
[22:43] <nisa> TortillaSandwich: that I/O error sounds suspiciosly... like either bad SATA or harddrive
[22:43] <NoBugButFeature> nisa, in BIOS, turn off Secure Boot.
[22:43] <nr0q_radio> yup I'd check that you have the latest bios, and check that your drive is identified correctly in the BIOS
[22:44] <oerheks> some machines need some steps to trust a new EFI instance... or simple disable fastboot
[22:44] <nr0q_radio> he's obviously booting from the USB correctly but now can't access the the disks, sound not like a UEFI secure boot issue anymore and more like there's other problems
[22:45] <nisa> this ^
[22:45] <nr0q_radio> I'd check that the bios is seeing the your disk in your machine, and if there are any SMART errors reported
[22:46] <nisa> Yeah
[22:46] <NoBugButFeature> nisa, if you have a DVD, instead of CD, try it.
[22:46] <TortillaSandwich> well it sees the disks jsut fine
[22:46] <NoBugButFeature> TortillaSandwich, in BIOS, turn off Secure Boot.
[22:46] <TortillaSandwich> the drive is fine, came back clear, its an SSD that's about a year old
[22:46] <TortillaSandwich> alright one second
[22:47] <TortillaSandwich> fwiw windows sees it fine, and can read-write to it.
[22:47] <NoBugButFeature> nisa, if the drive works fine but you're getting UEFI warning then it's something else you need to look for.
[22:47] <nisa> TortillaSandwich: also check if the sata cable is in correctly
[22:47] <TortillaSandwich> its there, ubuntu saw it and idetified its existing partition table
[22:48] <TortillaSandwich> oddly enough my bios is greyed out on asecure boot
[22:49] <nisa> TortillaSandwich:  Can you try installing something like Debian first, just to see if it makes a difference?
[22:49] <NoBugButFeature> nisa, I'm not exactly sure what he's trying to do but UEFI shouldnt allow him to boot if it doesn't detect any other OS.
[22:50] <nisa> NoBugButFeature: shut up, don't give advice on stuff you have no idea about.
[22:50] <NoBugButFeature> nisa, yes it does and you need to understand that.
[22:50] <nr0q_radio> NoBugButFeature it's not a UEFI issue, if it were the live USB image wouldn't be booting
[22:50] <NoBugButFeature> nr0q_radio, yes it is a UEFI issue. He said it boots, so that implies it isn't.
[22:51] <nr0q_radio> that logic makes no sense
[22:51] <BinarySavior> i'm trying to delete partitions on a disk, i'm getting an error, i think it's because i ran mdadm --assemble on the partition that i'm trying to delete
[22:52] <nisa> nr0q_radio:  It's this "I am always right" logic
[22:52] <NoBugButFeature> and yes it is a UEFI issue. He's trying to install Ubuntu but the installer doesn't see the partition it says there is on the disk.
[22:52] <nr0q_radio> that sounds like a driver issue
[22:53] <TortillaSandwich> ok, i got rid of the pk key for now
[22:53] <TortillaSandwich> secure boot is disabled for the time being. I'll see if this makes a difference
[22:53] <nisa> well, who knows.
[22:53] <NoBugButFeature> nr0q_radio, it isn't. I've tried several Ubuntu live images and they all run fine on this disk.
[22:53] <TortillaSandwich> i guess the key question becomes, can secureboot be renabled once this is done?
[22:53] <nr0q_radio> it's worth a try, I think it's an un-needed rabit hole as the kernel in Ubuntu is signed to work with secure boot
[22:54] <nisa> TortillaSandwich: yes it can
[22:54] <NoBugButFeature> I've tested the boot loader itself and it all works great
[22:58] <TortillaSandwich> nisa:  ok that worked
[22:58] <nisa> TortillaSandwich: what worked?
[22:58] <TortillaSandwich> diabling secure boot
[22:59] <NoBugButFeature> and it even detects this disk during installation
[22:59] <TortillaSandwich> drive partition tables wrote, install is moving
[22:59] <nisa> OHHH
[22:59] <NoBugButFeature> and it even installed Grub correctly as well.
[22:59] <TortillaSandwich> OS is nearly installed but then I will need to restore PK and enable secure boot because my windows partition is bitlockered
[22:59] <NoBugButFeature> however, upon booting the installation of Ubuntu it simply hangs.
[22:59] <nisa> Let's not hope that
[23:00] <TortillaSandwich> I havent installed ubuntu outside an AWS instance for years now
[23:00] <BinarySavior> TJ-,  how can I deactivate after running the "sudo vchange -ay vg1000"
[23:00] <TortillaSandwich> and of course those are basically click > deploy
[23:00] <NoBugButFeature> I suspect that perhaps it has something to do with the size of the disk, being a 32GB SSD.
[23:00] <nisa> nr0q_radio: no matter how weird this guy is, he found the reason for why it does not install lol, in fact it WAS UEFI lmao
[23:00] <nr0q_radio> a very strange UEFI bug, because it shouldn't behave that way
[23:01] <nisa> :D
[23:01] <nr0q_radio> i installed all the linux's on everything here with secure boot still enabled
[23:01] <TortillaSandwich> nr0q_radio:  dual-booted with windows and Bitlocker?
[23:01] <NoBugButFeature> So, has anyone run into this issue, where the install hangs upon booting?
[23:01] <TortillaSandwich> i suspect that could have played a problem
[23:02] <nr0q_radio> My wife's laptop is dual booted with windows, no bit locker but I didn't have to change anything in the bios to make it work
[23:02] <NoBugButFeature> Yes, I agree with you, but since he is running Windows I am not sure if he has the same problem.
[23:02] <nr0q_radio> just plugged in a flash drive, booted and installed
[23:02] <TortillaSandwich> nr0q_radio:  it booted, but it didnt do so happily
[23:03] <TortillaSandwich> im first time booting now
[23:03] <TortillaSandwich> so now that ubuntu is sintalled, back to no signal
[23:03] <TortillaSandwich> and display shut off
[23:03] <NoBugButFeature> I think he has a dead connection.
[23:04] <nisa> TortillaSandwich: his prophecy went true that it wouldn't boot :-(
[23:04] <TortillaSandwich> disk activity is working and lighting up, but no display output
[23:04] <TortillaSandwich> any way to drop to TTY1 and interact with console?
[23:04] <TortillaSandwich> used to be control alt F1-F6
[23:04] <NoBugButFeature> Do you have a live CD?
[23:04] <nisa> You could try booting with nomodeset
[23:04] <NoBugButFeature> What's that?
[23:05] <nisa> NoBugButFeature: disables graphics drivers
[23:05] <NoBugButFeature> Ah
[23:05] <TortillaSandwich> yeah it graphically glitches and fails to boot
[23:05] <TortillaSandwich> well boots but fials to gender graphics
[23:05] <TortillaSandwich> lets look at recovery mode
[23:05] <TortillaSandwich> ok, recovery mode loads
[23:06] <TortillaSandwich> gotta figure out whats wrong with the nvidia drivers
[23:06] <NoBugButFeature> TortillaSandwich, Try removing them and installing the latest Nvidia drivers.
[23:06] <nisa> That sometimes helped for me too, yeah
[23:06] <nisa> Just remove nvidia* and install from website
[23:06] <NoBugButFeature> That should remove the old drivers, and the new ones should work fine.
[23:08] <TortillaSandwich> interesting
[23:08] <TortillaSandwich> during setup initramfs-tools failed
[23:08] <TortillaSandwich> and trying to reinstall it just results in "post-installaction script subprocess returned error exit status 1"
[23:10] <nisa> TortillaSandwich: hmm... what if you just reboot now?
[23:10] <TortillaSandwich> rebooting now wont fix the broken graphics issue
[23:10] <NoBugButFeature> Ok.
[23:11] <nisa> Actually, I would just try using plain noveau for now
[23:12] <nisa> Performance will be terrible but at least it should work
[23:12] <NoBugButFeature> If you don't mind using nouveau, then you don't really have much choice.
[23:13] <TortillaSandwich> maybe its just best to keep this machine free of linux sadly lol
[23:13] <NoBugButFeature> If you wanna try some other methods, I've got a few pages here that tell you how to do it: https://askubuntu.com/questions/564881/how-to-install-nvidia-drivers-on-ubuntu-16-04
[23:14] <TortillaSandwich> idk im gonna try and fix a couple things and see ifi can make this work
[23:14] <TortillaSandwich> it for sure doesnt like the 3080ti by default config
[23:14] <NoBugButFeature> Yeah, the settings for the nouveau driver can be found here: http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/108505/en-us
[23:14] <nisa> TortillaSandwich: what if you remove that windows installation completely and try installing without it?
[23:14] <NoBugButFeature> TortillaSandwich, try installing the nvidia drivers by uninstalling all the other video drivers first
[23:14] <TortillaSandwich> nisa:  probably not gonna happen
[23:14] <NoBugButFeature> Or just install them, that's probably a better idea
[23:15] <nisa> TortillaSandwich: I think this will work
[23:15] <NoBugButFeature> TortillaSandwich, the nouveau driver is a good start for you because it will actually run (but you won't be able to use any advanced features)
[23:15] <TortillaSandwich> i dont think windows is the issue here, it's that ubuntu cant seemingly call on the proper graphics output
[23:17] <nisa> well yeah try noveau then
[23:18] <oerheks> driver ppa and HWE, if it is a recent GPU
[23:21] <TortillaSandwich> yeah im trying to force remove the nvidia stuff that was installed by default, if i can boot with the oss driver thats fine, once im in I can tinker with the official driver configs
[23:21] <TortillaSandwich> see what its doing
[23:25] <TortillaSandwich> ok this is promising...
[23:25] <TortillaSandwich> alright guys, im booted with nvidia drivers and dual display
[23:25] <NoBugButFeature> TortillaSandwich, good!
[23:26] <nr0q_radio> YAY
[23:26] <TortillaSandwich> beautiful, displays are up and working too
[23:27] <nisa> Nice!!!!
[23:27] <NoBugButFeature> Nice!!!!
[23:27] <nisa> lol
[23:28] <nisa> how we both wrote exactly the same in the same moment
[23:28] <TortillaSandwich> now i gotta getsecureboot back on, make sure windows cna load, and reenable bitlocker
[23:29] <nisa> let's see...
[23:29] <NoBugButFeature> Yeah
[23:29] <sybariten> nisa: was that a coincidence? That's pretty groovy
[23:29] <oerheks> bitlocker usually thakes the whole drive
[23:29] <NoBugButFeature> I'd love if it worked
[23:29] <oerheks> lolz
[23:29] <NoBugButFeature> I just want to use ubuntu
[23:29] <TortillaSandwich> they arent on the same drives
[23:29] <TortillaSandwich> my windows partition is on a Evo 980 NVME
[23:29] <TortillaSandwich> ubuntu is on a 512GB SSD
[23:29] <NoBugButFeature> Okay
[23:30] <TortillaSandwich> then my storages are split out over two 4tb non-bitlockered SSD's
[23:30] <oerheks> then you need to change boot EFI every time in bios, i guess
[23:30] <NoBugButFeature> Then your computer is retarded?
[23:30] <TortillaSandwich> oerheks:  ubuntu should play fine with secure boot when its not in a USB state, yes?
[23:30] <NoBugButFeature> Can't you just keep going to boot options?
[23:31] <TortillaSandwich> it should go right to boot options, yes
[23:31] <oerheks> TortillaSandwich, there is only one way to find out
[23:31] <oerheks> it should, i mean
[23:31] <TortillaSandwich> windows just loaded fine, so im gonna go flip on secureboot and test ubuntu
[23:32] <nr0q_radio> ubuntu (at least a current version) should place fine with secure boot
[23:33] <TortillaSandwich> secureboot is reenabled
[23:33] <TortillaSandwich> testing now
[23:33] <TortillaSandwich> yup ubuntu loaded fine
[23:39] <nisa> TortillaSandwich: Whooooooooo
[23:39] <nisa> Nice
[23:39] <NoBugButFeature> If it didn't work he would've said that
[23:39] <nisa> I didn't claim it hadn
[23:40] <nisa> 't worked
[23:53] <TortillaSandwich> alright
[23:54] <TortillaSandwich> I am on the device for Weechat now too :)
[23:54] <TortillaSandwich> good stuff, thanks for the patience with my install.
[23:54] <NoBugButFeature> If your going to install Linux on your PC I would suggest a small partition like 1 GB or 2GB at most. This is your System, all of your files and apps
[23:56] <nisa> and seperate home, right?
[23:56] <nisa> I don't like that concept
[23:59] <nr0q_radio> I do that here, https://imgur.com/a/ZQI6a04


[09:38] <mup> Issue operator#643 closed: Expose a top level charm source directory robustly <feature> <harness> <Created by balbirthomas> <Closed by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/643>
[09:42] <mup> Issue operator#652 closed: Flow for promoting code in a given charm library to the core codebase <docs> <needs spec> <Created by pengale> <Closed by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/652>
[09:47] <mup> Issue operator#670 closed: File permissions in testing harness may not reflect production Juju behavior <Created by pengale> <Closed by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/670>
[09:54] <mup> Issue operator#696 closed: Make test helpers for simulating common scenarios <needs spec> <harness> <Created by rwcarlsen> <Closed by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/696>
[10:04] <mup> Issue operator#713 closed: Requesting clarification of docstring on event.defer() <Created by balbirthomas> <Closed by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/713>
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[00:14] <OwaisL> hey guys
[00:14] <OwaisL> i would like to chip in
[00:29] <UndiFineD> hello OwaisL
[00:29] <OwaisL> UndiFineD: Hi
[00:31] <UndiFineD> http://ubuntutour.org/contribute/ if you want to help
[00:31] <OwaisL> yes i did see that
[00:31] <OwaisL> i branched the code
[00:31] <OwaisL> but didn't look at it yet
[00:32] <OwaisL> so what will this project be exactly using
[00:32] <UndiFineD> atm python
[00:32] <OwaisL> okay...
[00:32] <OwaisL> i'm quite familiar with python and gtk
[00:32] <UndiFineD> :D
[00:33] <UndiFineD> then you can teach me
[00:33] <UndiFineD> heheh
[00:33] <OwaisL> haha
[00:33] <OwaisL> i'm still learning though
[00:33] <OwaisL> :)
[00:33] <UndiFineD> me too, but I am making good progress on translations tonight
[00:34] <OwaisL> when do we expect to ship?
[00:34] <UndiFineD> today we had our first meeting, but we have made progress already
[00:35] <UndiFineD> so no shipping date is known at this point
[00:35] <UndiFineD> we use 10.10 as a base
[00:37] <OwaisL> ok...
[00:37] <OwaisL> hey i got to go now..
[00:37] <OwaisL> i'll check the code later
[00:38] <OwaisL> and come back so we'll talk about how i can help
[00:38] <OwaisL> take care
[00:38] <UndiFineD> :)
[07:49] <Billynkid> Sorry missed the meeting
[10:32] <UndiFineD> good morning
[14:46] <UndiFineD> good email aprilg
[15:22] <kvarley> I can help with packaging the application into a debian package & with rolling that out onto the ppa if you need help. I have already contributed some writing
[15:23] <Omega> Cool
[15:25] <kvarley> I presume it's mainly .py files & data?
[15:26] <UndiFineD> that would be helpful kvarley
[15:26] <UndiFineD> it is
[15:26] <kvarley> :)
[15:26] <kvarley> I made my first deb yesterday for a little app I made & that was with py files and data. I'm glad I learnt how to do it :)
[15:53] <UndiFineD> so kvarley what does that little app do
[15:59] <kvarley> moves files off sd card to a date generated folder (using it for pictures
[16:16] <laurent_> there is no setup.py or anything yet
[16:16] <kvarley> Ok, when there is I will make a deb
[16:16] <laurent_> I attempted to package it, but without using distutils which I haven't worked out yet, it results in an empty package
[16:22] <kvarley> laurent_ Maybe your paths in your rules are wrong?
[16:22] <laurent_> no idea
[16:25] <laurent_> if you manage to create a .deb, you should upload the rules /control files etc. for amending in future debs, not sure what the opinion would be on version numbers yet
[16:26] <laurent_> I don't see this project really being 100% for maverick anyway and the focus for a top notch package for be for natty
[16:29] <laurent_> looking at some pages I think the issue may have been the permissions of the directories I made possibly
[16:29] <laurent_> I dunno
[16:29] <laurent_> it's 3.29am here
[16:29] <laurent_> I'm going to sleep in a mo
[16:31] <UndiFineD> :)
[16:31] <Muscovy> I could make a .deb is anyone wishes, I know how.
[16:40] <laurent_> night
[17:00] <aprilg> UndiFineD hey :) thanks. sorry for the really late reply. just got back home :)
[17:01] <UndiFineD> heh
[17:01] <UndiFineD> making lots of progress here on translations
[17:02] <UndiFineD> some should pull more often
[17:57] <aprilg> can anyone tell me which page to link to specifically for LoCo support? :) I'll add that to the getting help section of the tour :D thanks!!
[17:58] <aprilg> is the website acceptable? http://loco.ubuntu.com/      or irc? http://loco.ubuntu.com/irc/
[18:00] <Muscovy> What do you mean, aprilg?
[18:01] <aprilg> which link should I add to the getting help page?
[18:01] <aprilg> it was mentioned during the meeting that we should add Loco Support to the 'getting help' section of the tour
[18:01] <aprilg> also, a totally different thing :)
[18:01] <aprilg> Muscovy can we update the list of members shown on the website? or maybe link to the volunteers list for a complete list of members or something? :) right now, there's only four of us listed on http://ubuntutour.org/members/ :)
[18:02] <Muscovy> Right, I'll do that.
[18:02] <Muscovy> I'd probably link to the main loco page.
[18:02] <aprilg> ok. thanks!
[18:02] <aprilg> for both :) hehe
[18:46] <UndiFineD> I had already added the link to general loco in the english version and native language loco in duth version
[18:46] <UndiFineD> dutch
[18:49] <UndiFineD> aprilg, you might want to pull
[18:51] <aprilg> UndiFineD you mean this page? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/maverick/annotate/head%3A/getting-help/en/0_getting-help
[18:51] <aprilg> That's the one I updated
[18:52] <aprilg> I only added the LoCo Team Directory link
[18:52] <UndiFineD> as did I yesterday :p
[18:53] <aprilg> oh. there were only 4 links when I pulled earlier today
[18:53] <aprilg> beginner questions, irc, ubuntu users mailing list, and the ubuntu switching guide
[18:53] <aprilg> the loco team directory wasn't there :) so I just added it
[18:53] <UndiFineD> this my first time I use bazaar, how come I am at revision 121 while you are at 102.1.11
[18:54] <aprilg> I'm at revision 113 actually
[18:54] <aprilg> from lp:ubuntu-tour
[18:55] <aprilg> from what I can see, there's only 113 revisions
[18:55] <aprilg> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tour
[18:55] <aprilg> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/maverick
[18:56] <Muscovy> Is http://ubuntutour.org/members/ alright?
[18:56] <UndiFineD> nice Muscovy
[18:57] <aprilg> looks ok :)
[18:57] <Muscovy> Ok, I wasn't sure if the screenshot worked or not.
[18:57] <aprilg> by the way Muscovy, at what revision are we at for lp:ubuntu-tour?
[18:58] <aprilg> UndiFineD is at revision 121, and I only see up to 113 on launchpad
[18:58] <Muscovy> Uh.
[18:58] <Muscovy> I'm now on 113.
[18:58] <UndiFineD> odd
[18:59] <UndiFineD> I use bazaar explorer, any strange settings i need to do ?
[18:59] <aprilg> I haven't used bazaar explorer ...
[19:00] <aprilg> UndiFineD have you pushed your revisions to lp:ubuntu tour?
[19:00] <UndiFineD> i did, but I might have to redo manually
[19:01] <aprilg> ok.. what name are you using on launchpad?
[19:01] <aprilg> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/maverick/changes this page lists all the revisions to the branch
[19:02] <UndiFineD> k.dejong / undifined
[19:02] <aprilg> I don't see any revisions from you on that page :(
[19:06] <aprilg> I'm off for the day guys :)
[19:06] <aprilg> hafta get some sleep! bye all!
[19:07] <Muscovy> Gnight. :D
[19:09] <UndiFineD> now i have these silly conflicts
[19:12] <Muscovy> Did bzr merge go OK?
[19:13] <UndiFineD> nope
[19:13] <UndiFineD> because I did so many
[19:14] <MadnessRed> Hi all
[19:14] <MadnessRed> reading the irc logs atm
[19:14] <UndiFineD> he MadnessRed
[19:14] <Omega> Hey MadnessRed
[19:15] <MadnessRed> How was the meeting, I am at 5:25 atm
[19:15] <Omega> MadnessRed: I nominated you for proggramming lead, how do you feel about it?
[19:15] <Omega> It was okay
[19:15] <Omega> We didn't discuss everything because we felt more programmers would need to be here
[19:16] <MadnessRed> ok, I don't mind being programming lead, as long as i get to be on the team page :)
[19:17] <Omega> :>
[19:17] <MadnessRed> also, about he sidebar, gtk has a widget which allows for a split pane which you can adjust
[19:17] <Muscovy> Hi MadnessRed. :D
[19:18] <MadnessRed> hi,
[19:19] <MadnessRed> im at 5:40 now
[19:19] <UndiFineD> bzr conflicts
[19:19] <UndiFineD> Conflict: can't delete evolution because it is not empty.  Not deleting.
[19:19] <UndiFineD> Conflict because evolution is not versioned, but has versioned children.  Versioned directory.
[19:19] <UndiFineD> Text conflict in getting-help/en/0_getting-help
[19:20] <Muscovy> Hmm.
[19:20] <Muscovy> I don't know what the evolution error is, but the last one is because you and April both edited the same file.
[19:22] <UndiFineD> I have the feeling I need to copy out my changes and redo them
[19:22] <UndiFineD> as in remove my local branch and recreate it
[19:24] <MadnessRed> do we have a new branch btw?
[19:24] <MadnessRed> you were going to change to having only 1
[19:24] <Muscovy> What I do when I get an issue like that is branch a fresh copy, then manually compare them.
[19:24] <Muscovy> MadnessRed: Nope. We just moved code-development into the main one.
[19:24] <MadnessRed> so I can still pull and push to code-devel'
[19:25] <Muscovy> You can, but we figured it wasn't needed any more since the code is stable.
[19:26] <Muscovy> We only didn't remove it so we could keep the revision history.
[19:26] <MadnessRed> ok, so where should I pull the latest code from?
[19:26] <Muscovy> lp:ubuntu-tour.
[19:26] <MadnessRed> thanks
[19:26] <Muscovy> No problem.
[19:33] <UndiFineD> Muscovy, is it ok now ?
[19:34] <Muscovy> I'll check.
[19:36] <Muscovy> That push was fine, UndiFineD.
[19:36] <UndiFineD> great, that was 12 hours of work
[19:36] <UndiFineD> now i only need to find my english adjustments too
[19:41] <MadnessRed> whats with tour.py line 145?
[19:41] <MadnessRed>
[19:41] <MadnessRed> 		#Return the list
[19:41] <MadnessRed> <<<<<<< TREE
[19:41] <MadnessRed> 		return tours
[19:41] <Muscovy> I'm not sure.
[19:42] <UndiFineD> return self.tours
[19:42] <MadnessRed> I'll delete the file from my computer and try just download again
[19:43] <UndiFineD> a shame, my english updates seem to be lost in the fixing
[19:44] <Muscovy> :|
[19:47] <UndiFineD> well, I remember they where mostly comments about referal to self
[19:47] <UndiFineD> which seems a bit silly
[19:48] <UndiFineD> like a piece of software is refering to itself as we or I
[19:49] <UndiFineD> and when you translate such it becomes even more redicule
[20:46] <UndiFineD> ok all has been redone, I am at revision 123 now
[21:10] <UndiFineD> $ LANG=nl_NL && python ubuntu-tour.py
[21:10] <UndiFineD> (process:10112): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
[21:10] <UndiFineD> 	Using the fallback 'C' locale.
[21:11] <Muscovy> Does $LANG=nk_NL error on its own?
[21:12] <UndiFineD> no
[21:12] <Muscovy> Maybe file a bug on that
[21:12] <Muscovy> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-tour/+filebug
[21:13] <UndiFineD> LANG=nl_NL.UTF8 && python ubuntu-tour.py  <-- is ok
[21:13] <UndiFineD> however does not run the tour
[21:13] <Muscovy> Does the tour give any sort of error?
[21:14] <UndiFineD> in english, a few warnings
[21:14] <UndiFineD> LANG=en_GB.UTF8 && python ubuntu-tour.py <-- does run the tour
[21:15] <UndiFineD> Warning: Could not change directory to file, unexpected errors may occur
[21:15] <UndiFineD> No value set for `/desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_color_scheme'
[21:15] <UndiFineD> No value set for `/desktop/gnome/interface/gtk-color-scheme'
[21:15] <Muscovy> DOes it still run?
[21:15] <UndiFineD> yes
[21:15] <Muscovy> Just debug then.
[21:16] <UndiFineD> mmm how ?
[21:16] <UndiFineD> :)
[21:16] <Muscovy> Maverick/Lucid do some things differently with theme detection.
[21:16] <UndiFineD> Im using maverick
[21:17] <Muscovy> I get the same warning in maverick.
[21:17] <Muscovy> It's just a debug thing.
[21:37] <UndiFineD> I deserve a cookie :p
[21:38] <Muscovy> You do. :D
[21:39] <UndiFineD> and I'll add a mug of dark roast with it as well
[21:39] <UndiFineD> then I'm off to my testing account to make a few dutch screen shots
[21:40] <Muscovy> Use the default theme, panel, and aurora-y wallpaper. :D
[21:41] <UndiFineD> yeah it is all set for that, not sure on the wall paper
[21:41] <UndiFineD> is that the one with the odd orange blobs
[21:48] <Muscovy> UndiFineD: nope.
[21:49] <Muscovy> UndiFineD: http://blag.alexandos.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/maverick.jpg
[21:50] <UndiFineD> yeah that is the default, called ubuntu now
[21:51] <UndiFineD> my system is quite recently installed again
[22:02] <UndiFineD> does it need to have some file in ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_color_scheme
[22:03] <Muscovy> Nope.
[22:05] <UndiFineD> well, the tour does not run on my testing user
[22:06] <UndiFineD> loks like another similar bug
[22:13] <Muscovy> Using language nl_NL?
[22:15] <UndiFineD> yes
[22:15] <UndiFineD> as it is set when you login a user to their language
[22:17] <UndiFineD> which is according to env: nl_NL.utf8
[22:17] <UndiFineD> exact case
[23:23] <Muscovy> Hi MadnessRed.
[23:23] <MadnessRed> hi
[23:24] <Muscovy> UndiFineD and I were getting this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-tour/+bug/643044
[23:24] <MadnessRed> I'll take a look, 1 sefc
[23:24] <MadnessRed> sec#
[23:25] <Muscovy> Hmm.
[23:26] <Muscovy> I just tried es, that one's fine.
[23:26] <MadnessRed> odd
[23:26] <Muscovy> Ok, it seems to only fail on the non-English _ ones.
[23:27] <MadnessRed> I'll do some playing, see what i can find out
[23:29] <Muscovy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-tour/+bug/643044/comments/3
[23:30] <UndiFineD> still awake, but it's getting late
[23:30] <UndiFineD> watching some tv
[23:30] <Muscovy> UndiFineD: I took a closer look at the issue.
[23:31] <Muscovy> It seems the _ languages, exclusing en ones, are failing.
[23:31] <Muscovy> Picking one like es works fine.
[23:31] <MadnessRed> its tour_nl that is causing the problem
[23:31] <MadnessRed> it should be tour.info
[23:32] <MadnessRed> the only files allowed to contain underscores are the page files
[23:32] <UndiFineD> ah yes, I created those files
[23:32] <UndiFineD> in case dutch translations are needed in there
[23:32] <MadnessRed> tour_nl.info is page number tour
[23:32] <MadnessRed> and tour isn't a number
[23:33] <Muscovy> Now I feel silly I missed that.
[23:33] <UndiFineD> isn't it great, I created my own bug
[23:33] <MadnessRed> I could put it in a try if you want
[23:34] <UndiFineD> you can remove the translated tour_nl.info files if they aren't needed
[23:34] <UndiFineD> or rename them tour.info if they are correct
[23:36] <MadnessRed> I just put the _ thingy in a try statement
[23:36] <MadnessRed> not try
[23:37] <MadnessRed> 1 thing, don't translate the catagories in tour.ingo
[23:37] <MadnessRed> info#
[23:38] <UndiFineD> ok
[23:38] <UndiFineD> then I'll copy them out of their original ones
[23:39] <Muscovy> Thanks for that fix. :D
[23:40] <MadnessRed> np
[23:46] <UndiFineD> yes, it is fixed now and I have the tour running
[23:47] <UndiFineD> fixes committed
[23:47] <Muscovy> I'd call that fix released.
[23:47] <UndiFineD> hmm, but the menu is in english, so, where does that need editting
[23:48] <Muscovy> For Ubuntu "fix committed" means it's in beta or pending approval.
[23:48] <UndiFineD> details ;)
[23:48] <UndiFineD> hehehe
[23:48] <UndiFineD> thank you MadnessRed
[23:50] <MadnessRed> np, I thought that fix commited meant it was available in the most recent commit, and that fix released meant it was available in the last release, eg, fixed for version 1.1 onwards
[23:50] <Muscovy> BusSquad says fix committed means it's on Revu or in -proposed.
[23:51] <UndiFineD> well I committed my fixes to bazaar, so that does not mean everyone has them yet
[23:53] <UndiFineD> hmmm, some texts are long, too long to fit an image, definitly needs some splitting here and there
[23:56] <Muscovy> I think for the time being we're not splicing pages, UndiFineD.
[23:56] <Muscovy> I'm not entirely sure though.
[23:56] <UndiFineD> no I was go to do so now
[23:56] <UndiFineD> I was not going to do so now
[23:56] <UndiFineD> I am tired
[23:57] <UndiFineD> pff
[23:57] <UndiFineD> 1 am
[23:57] <Muscovy> Oh dear.
[23:58] <Muscovy> I was up until about 2:00 the night we first got started on the tour.


[13:48] <adac> Hi there. I was wondering. Updating which of these packages would cause docker service to restart (ubuntu) https://pastebin.com/raw/HuxMjvNG  it is probably either containerd.io or  docker-ce-rootless-extras:amd64.
[13:49] <patdk-lap> well, docker depends on containerd.io so that will always do it
[13:51] <sdeziel> adac: you can check if any of those package's `.postinst` script does a restart `/var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkgname>.postinst`.
[13:51] <adac> patdk-lap, thank you very much!
[13:54] <patdk-lap> sdeziel, not really
[13:54] <patdk-lap> docker depends on After=network-online.target docker.socket firewalld.service containerd.service time-set.target
[13:54] <patdk-lap> so anything restarting those will cause it to restart
[13:55] <patdk-lap> containerd.io only restarts itself in postinit, but causes docker to restart
[13:57] <sdeziel> patdk-lap: oh, I thought that `After=` was just an ordering suggestion, not something that would affect other units like `Requires=`, `Requisite=` or `BindTo=`
[13:58] <patdk-lap> hmm, maybe
[13:58] <patdk-lap> but I do know docker restarts everytime containerio is updated
[13:58] <patdk-lap> and containerio is what actually runs docker, docker is just the *interface*
[13:59] <patdk-lap> likely too technical to care :)
[14:06] <sdeziel> yeah, but thanks for pointing out at systemd directives, that's something to keep in mind when tracking unexpected restarts
[14:26] <Guest89> Hello guys, I have problem getting lxdbr0 (LXD brige network) connect to my local network.. (192.168.0.x)
[14:28] <Guest89> Using LXD UI, i changed the ip configuration to 192.168.0.x to match with my local network.. but still my LXD vm can't be access from other machine in same network
[14:28] <Guest89> Can anyone guide me.
[14:38] <sdeziel> Guest89: please hop on #lxd :)
[14:40] <Guest89> ok, thank you for pointing out
[15:18] <runelind> I upgraded an LXD container to 22.04 and now I'm having issues with the MAC, and therefore DHCP address, changing every once in a while.  My friend said he ran into the same issue and it was something to do with netplan but he couldn't remember what.  Does this ring a bell for anyone?
[16:54] <radix0> This is a half-help, half-rant question - when did the PDF for Ubuntu server become so terrible? I open it, all the bookmarks are broken, and topics I expect to be documented are not there (SNMPv3). I don't remember it being this awful.
[18:04] <tsimonq2> radix0: "PDF for Ubuntu server" is so ambiguous, nobody would even know how to start answering that ;)
[18:04] <tsimonq2> We have hundreds, if not thousands of packages, server and GUI, providing some kind of functionality related to PDFs.
[18:04] <rbasak> I assume it's the PDF from here: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs
[18:04] <rbasak> I understand the brokenness is being worked on.
[18:04] <tsimonq2> Ah, okay. :)
[18:05] <rbasak> SNMPv3 - sorry - the importance of this seems to have fallen below our "worth maintaining Ubuntu-server-specific docs for" threshold.
[18:05] <rbasak> radix0: ^
[18:12] <radix0> Yes - that's the PDF I am referring to. Why does SNMPv3 not make the cut?