[16:05] <gladideg> Is there a way to allow a user to SSH/SCP to my instance without using the private key?
[16:05] <gladideg> Seems the instance requires a key file to login. :-/
[16:05] <gladideg> I'm talking about non-root users
[16:08] <gladideg> Solved it, PasswordAuthentication yes in sshd_config >_<


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[05:24] <bumblehead> hi I've uploaded a new version of a click package to ubuntu touch
[05:25] <bumblehead> the package requires cjk support
[05:25] <bumblehead> is there something that needs to be specified in the click package somewhere...
[05:25] <bumblehead> to ensure the client has cjk support?
[05:26] <bumblehead> cjk is chinese/japanese/korean text
[13:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[13:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !ota12
[13:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !ota
[13:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !release
[13:04] <bregma> need a different bot for Ubuntu Touch
[13:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, indeed I was just thinking that
[13:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> when I saw stuff like release h eh
[13:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> a new versibion of Ubuntu touch every six months uhmm right :D
[13:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> more like every six  weeks or so awesome :)
[13:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, how's progress of 12, when is likely to be released?
[13:07] <bregma> last I read on the mailing list it's in good shape and due for release real soon (I don't know specifics, sorry)
[13:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh ok :)
[13:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, and how's Libertine anything coming along :D
[13:09] <bregma> not too bad, Chris has cut-and-paste working in a developer silo
[13:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, what's a silo?
[13:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> who's Chris?
[13:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and ah yeah you said  clickable links is ota 13 ?
[13:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> touch screen keyboard was ota 12 though?  I did go through the ota 12 feature propslas and so on the other night/day and for previous releases actsaully from the link
[13:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh not this again
[13:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok change it back to how it's meant to be the topic
[13:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> someone
[13:13] <bregma> Chris is the developer working on that task, and a "silo" is a kind of PPA that pulls in changes from different projects and lets you test then, then automatically published the results when everyone is satisfied
[13:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ah right I see :)
[13:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> publish the results as in part of the update?
[13:14] <bregma> yes, exactly
[13:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and  Ithought about maybe going on the like dev previw ethingey, or eventually with something maybe, get stuff early to test etc
[13:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> how about the librtine gui app store, that's not likely untill say I don't know OTA 15 maybe?
[13:16] <bregma> I think we're waiting for the copy-and-paste to land in an OTA first so we can collect feedback
[13:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, I still think that's a real advantage being able to run lots of Desktop Linux type ( although ok compiled for ARM not x86/64 but yes same  kind of programs ) on Ubuntu
[13:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> who needs Android apps, when can run things like FIrefox, VLC, Libre Office, etc etc
[13:17] <bregma> on releasing in stages: we can test all we want, but it's impossible to anticipate all of the weird and wonderful ways people use things, so releasing something to the public always results in all kinds of unexpected bugs
[13:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah public is testers for now to if that's what you mean
[13:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> new features slowlgy features by features
[13:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> true new features new bugs
[13:19] <bregma> there no way we can test everything running *in* libertine, it's just not scalable
[13:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> indeed to that
[13:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but haing a gui way to easilly install mroe programs into libertine will be good, when that comes :)
[13:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, I can imagine a site such as omgubuntu saying how great it is to be able to do that, once that happens as well :d
[13:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, a bit like today they posted something about Unity in Windows 10 using the new thing for yeah Ubuntu in Windows
[13:21] <bregma> I can imagine that too...  I'm anticipating the tidal wave of support queries
[13:21]  * bregma goes to book vacation for that week
[13:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma,  he h
[13:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, certain things like what we been talking about currrently lacking, but once they are there
[13:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that will bring in
[13:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that should bring in
[13:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> quite a few new people to Ubuntu devices
[13:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, it's awesome really,  how things are progressing, I reember when the default browser was so horrible that it coudn't even clear the history!
[13:23] <bregma> you can clear the history now? :)
[13:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and when the report crashes to Canonical feature trying to disable it well, woudl just put it on again tick
[13:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, yes can clear history now it seems
[13:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and  can also untick report crahses to Canonical
[13:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but when that BQ Aquarious BQ 4.5 phone came out with the Ubuntu touch on there by default, nope
[13:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, I keep that on a old version, I thought I Had lost that phone last year to, but it turned up  here in Janurary :)
[13:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so not been updated since like June, but by keeping it on a old version, when I do have it on, can start seeing progress more as well as time goes on :D
[13:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> for example it's got the old plymouth or whatever boot up screen
[13:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it's got all the colours for shutting down on the buttons as well, not sure why that changed
[13:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, I was showing two guys at my LUG my UBuntu devices and such last month :d
[13:26] <bregma> you should write a blog post or something comparing the progress, it would be interesting
[13:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, wel I could maybe, but I don't do blog posts
[13:27] <bregma> yet
[13:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but yes ther will be a load of background changes that are known about or not, but it's the end user changes that may notice
[13:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the differences you see you willl notice
[13:28] <bregma> I had a blog post two years ago about Unity 8 on the desktop with screenshots, and it sure has changed a lot
[13:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah it's a bit like if you load up say Ubuntu 5.04
[13:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you'll see that GNOME 2 changed quite a bit since then as well
[13:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what you see as a user
[13:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, also at that kind of time the debate as if Desktop Linux could go more main streame or not,  general pubic,  specfically or mostly Ubuntu
[13:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that didn't happen
[13:29] <bregma> heh, Unity 8 on desktop in JJanuary of 2014: https://bregmatter.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/unity8-home.jpg
[13:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but it's like we are kind of livingg that again or kind of thing
[13:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but diffenretly  now
[13:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> via these Ubuntu devices, which yep aren't ready yet for the more general public, but maybe in a year or two or so ?
[13:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> actusally if just going to do email and browsing and take some photos, then I guess it's already ready realy :D
[13:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, clickable links will be nice :D I can't click that
[13:31] <bregma> soon....
[13:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that's like  feaures that are seen as basics must have,  if going to get out there to the public :D
[13:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yes as techis we are more forgiving about lack of stuff like that, when we have the technical reasons
[13:32] <bregma> I tried taking a bunch of photos with my m10 yesterday, they all turned out like crap
[13:32] <bregma> not the device, just the photographer
[13:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh
[13:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hold on be right back
[13:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, back
[14:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, ok just seen the screenshot that looks a bit like a old gnome 3 shell prewview or something
[14:17] <liv21> I cannot access the settings on Meizu Pro 5 in order to enable Developer Mode
[14:18] <liv21> Is there a way to flash the device without Developer Mode enabled?
[14:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, yes probably
[14:31] <liv21> Do you know how?
[14:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, I think developer mode is to enable some features not enabled by default mostly
[14:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not needed to use that on any Ubuntu device
[14:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, I also think you can probably download an image
[14:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> of Ubuntu TOUCH for the device from Meizu, well ok BQ provide them, I am not sure about Meizu
[14:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, then via a computer and USB cable you could start over completly
[14:38] <liv21> My on screen keyboard disappeared after I tried to install libertine. I want to start fresh but I can't figure out how to access the device to flash the new image because without Dev mode enabled
[14:39] <liv21> ADB finds no device
[14:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, no that's ok about the keyboard
[14:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, that's meant to be
[14:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> for now
[14:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, FIrefox,  Gimp, Gedit,  anything via Libertine for now will only work with a pshyicall keyboard,  that's via a bluetooth keyboard of a usb computer keyboard via otg device
[14:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, for now they won't work with the touch screen keyboard only native programs, however an update is coming, but not in the next over the air update ota 12, but I think in the next one or soon
[14:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, I have done a factory reset via the reset option,  on  BQ Aquarious 4.5 and Meizu MX 4. not a BQ M10 talet yet. there's an option in the settings
[14:43] <liv21> The phone reset and I have to use touch input to access my WIFI and set up the phone. The keyboard won't come up for anything at the moment
[14:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you shoudn't need developer mode to do a factory reset as well
[14:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, the keyboard for now should only come up for native programs, so setting up the wifi would go under that,  but for nothing that uses Libertine
[14:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, maybe you have put it in desktop mode rather than tablet/phone mode, and so the touch screen keyboard isn't coming up for native programs, since it thinks you got a keyboard attached
[14:45] <liv21> It won't come up at all. That is the problem and I have not found a way to hard reset the device to factory settings. My phone is at the state when you first get it and have to set it up. That is my problem.
[14:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, so you haven't done the set up wizard ?
[14:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> completed ?
[14:46] <liv21> Exactly.
[14:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, from an install  you would have the factory re set optioon in the settings that I mentioned earlier
[14:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but without that hmm
[14:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, actusally tht's odd if your not getting toudh screen keyboard at all
[14:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, that  should come up  or well for some things such as the wireless password
[14:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you click on the forward button using the touch screen though ?
[14:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you can click on ?
[14:47] <liv21> The Libertine install failed and reset the phone and I am stuck. I can't find a solution yet.
[14:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey,  ping about by any chance? I know you got that phone the Meizu Pro 5
[14:47] <bregma> can't you skip the wireless password by hitting some button?
[14:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, what's the Libertine install,  did you do that yourself? I don't have a Meizu pro 5,  also bregma is a like LIbertine expert develooper started it
[14:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, if you have installed Liberitne yourself onto the Meizu Pro  5 then yes, I guess there could be an issue possibly
[14:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I don't think it has it by default yet ?
[14:49] <popey> hm?
[14:49] <liv21> You can skip that but it comes to point of the set up that you can't skip. Yes, unfortunately I did the install myself
[14:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, thought you might be able to help liv21 since he's having issues with a Meizu pro 5
[14:49] <popey> liv21: theres a bug filed..
[14:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh does the Meizu Pro 5 have like a installer set up option to optionally install Libertine or something ?
[14:50] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1600582
[14:51] <popey> we removed the package from the store
[14:51] <liv21> I saw the bug. Do you how to do the hard reset on the Pro 5? All the instructions on the net refer to the Android version and it doesn't work on the Ubuntu edition
[14:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, whch package ?
[14:51] <popey> puritine
[14:51] <bregma> SebthreeBQM10HD, the Pro 5 ships with libertine and an empty Desktop Appplications click that needs to be updated to get the full set of applications
[14:51] <bregma> formerly known as Puritine
[14:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh
[14:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so the pro 5 got purtine or the new whatever, but has issues
[14:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I see
[14:51] <popey> dunno
[14:52] <popey> i am on holiday
[14:52] <bregma> popey, I believe the bug liv21 has is different from the puritine-breaks-Bq problem
[14:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, oh where you gone on holiday ?
[14:52] <popey> not irc. byeeee
[14:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, ok enjoy your holday away from IRC
[14:52] <popey> bregma: knows more than me about tgis :)
[14:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, yeah but he doesnt have the pro 5
[14:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> anwyay enjoy your holiday :)
[14:53] <bregma> SebthreeBQM10HD, the Pro 5 does not haver issues with Puritine, it's the older phones listed in the store as 'do not install this' that have a problem when you install it
[14:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, you should be in luck, bregma started Libertine  and of course knows a load more than me about Ubuntu Touch :D
[14:54] <bregma> SebthreeBQM10HD, the problem liv21 is having actually has nothing to do with libertine
[14:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, yes I thought it was something to do with the pro 5 itself possibly, hence pinging popey
[14:55] <bregma> for some reason the OSK gets broken if you make your system writeable and then update it
[14:55] <bregma> then, without the OSK, you're hosed
[14:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, did you make your system read writeble ?
[14:56] <liv21> I am so grateful for any help I can get. I and agree with bregma. It most likely has to do with how I installed the application.
[14:56] <liv21> I did make it writable.
[14:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, ok there we go then, that's why your having problems
[14:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, you probably did't need to make it wewritable at all to try LIbertine on the pro 5 by the way
[14:57] <bregma> depends....
[14:57] <liv21> It's possible. I am not an expert at all
[14:58] <bregma> anyway, I think you can recover to factory settings using some hold-the-volume-button-during-power-up magic or something, but I'm definitely no expert on that device
[14:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, was purtine offered in the app store for the pro 5 before ?
[14:58] <bregma> SebthreeBQM10HD, it's really an OTA-12 thing
[14:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what is ?
[14:58] <bregma> puritine was in the store pre-OTA-12 for testing
[14:58] <bregma> evidently it has failed in some cases
[14:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, you can factory re set, but you'll need a computer and a  usb cable to do it, and from the computer you'll have to put the image of Ubuntu touch a clean one a default one back on yourself I expect, but no don't know how to do it for the pro 5
[14:59] <bregma> the Pro 5 gets puritine by default in OTA-12 but it can't come with the system image update because of partition sizes
[15:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, oh right intereting, I didn't know it acsally went into the store, I thought it was just the M 10 demo really for the tablet and that was that or pretty much
[15:00] <bregma> so it shipped as an empty click in the system image and was offered as an update in the store
[15:00] <bregma> we just withdrew it from the store because it was causing lockup problems on older phones
[15:00] <liv21> The volume button during power magic d/n work on this phone. That is why I'm looking for a way to factory reset through the computer
[15:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, BQ provide images for the hardware of both Ubuntu and Android for people to download and put back on them selves
[15:01] <both> hi, is there any shop (or autorised partner) in Lodon where I could buy ubuntu phone?
[15:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, Meizu probably do as well if you look around on there site or something
[15:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, not officaly no
[15:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, someone might be selling one there some whhere though
[15:02] <bregma> liv21, I'm afraid there is probably no one here at this time that knows enough about the Pro 5 to offer a workaround, but this is the right channel for when they are around
[15:02] <bregma> unless ogra_ happens to be around
[15:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, I think mhall119 may know how to re flash it, even if he doesn't have the pro 5,
[15:02] <bregma> he might know
[15:03] <bregma> it's Sunday for most people, they take the day off
[15:03]  * bregma goes to take the dog for a walk before accidents happen
[15:03] <liv21> Thank you so much guys. I'll try to figure it out and be patient and try to get on here during the week
[15:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, since I remember a past thing do with libertine and he was like if it goes wrong you can re  flash
[15:06] <both> is there anything I could do in London to get ubuntu phone tomorrow?
[15:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, why you want one so fast ?
[15:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, the only actsul Ubuntu Phone still on sale is uhmmm well actsually none from manfauctures currently
[15:07] <both> I'm going on holiday, so I want it before that.
[15:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> might be able to  find something on Ebay but that's it
[15:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, no you can't get one by tommorow no chance
[15:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, unless you just happen to know someoen in Lonodn with one ready to give away or sell for example
[15:09] <both> is there any progress bar (or table with dates) visible on ther internet, so I could track a progress of ubuntu phone development?
[15:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, devices, or the software itself?
[15:10] <both> devices
[15:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, there are olike pages for the last few over the air updates, with the proposals and  how the software has progressed
[15:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, the hardware isn't done by Canonical or Ubuntu community people
[15:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mariogrip unoffically provides for certain toher hardware though
[15:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, but offialy it's only BQ and Meizu doing Ubuntu devices currently
[15:15] <both> why availability is so low, while demand is quite high?
[15:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, good question :)
[15:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, I agree with that, that the demand is actusally quite high amoung those who know about it,  more so than BQ and Meizu think
[15:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, I am not that happy that  BQ currently only sells the two tablet versions, but no Ubuntu phone, they had two before in the past year and a bit
[15:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and neither are sold from them directly now
[15:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, Meizu should be releasing a MX 6 Ubuntu Edition next month
[15:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but the pro 5 didn't last that long untill went out of stock.  and the MX 4 is great I got that
[15:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and a BQ 4.5
[15:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, I have the first two Ubuntu Phones from last year, so the one from BQ, and the one from Meizu
[15:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both and one of the tablets
[15:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, I think Meizu and BQ mostly use UBuntu to sell old stock of  phones they still have enough of left after selling them with Android, altouhg BQ did actsaully do some hardware changes to the BQ 4.5 Ubuntu Edition
[15:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, Ubuntu devices are currently also aimed still at developers and early adopters, more will come later and more stock I expect
[15:28] <both> thx
[15:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, yes if you wait a bit
[15:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, oh it's July already
[15:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, ok in about  a week or so, I think the annoucment for the MX 6 acstaully being availale with Ubuntu Touch will be out
[15:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that's a powerful phone
[15:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> a bit pricy, but will be really nice phone :) and I am saying as someone who's been using the Meziu MX 4 for like 9 months or so now :)
[15:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, get in there and buy the Meizu MX 6 a bit later this month :) then you'll have an awesome Ubuntu Phone that was worth the wait as well and price! it will cost about 300 something pounds though it seems,  but will be worth the money
[15:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, be aware that no you can't run the commonly known Android apps with it,  but lots of DEsktop Linux programs are starting to come over anyway
[15:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or will be, that's mostly a demo stil
[16:46] <kvmmm> hi guys. If I plug my Ubuntu phone into a laptop, I can boot the phone OS using the laptop screen, right?
[16:46] <mcphail> kvmmm: no
[16:47] <kvmmm> oh darn, for some reason I thought that was possible
[16:47] <mcphail> kvmmm: some phines can connect by wires or wirelessly to tvs and monitors
[16:48] <kvmmm> So it's not an Ubuntu OS feature but a phone feature?
[16:48] <mcphail> kvmmm: it is an Ubuntu feature limited by the hardware on each phone
[16:48] <kvmmm> ah, ok
[16:49] <kvmmm> I'm thinking of putting Ubuntu on my Lumia 1020
[16:49] <kvmmm> I'm also considering buying an Ubuntu phone
[16:49] <mcphail> kvmmm: is there a port to your device?
[16:50] <kvmmm> Tiny USB thing; the same as with most phones
[16:50] <mcphail> kvmmm: no, has Ubuntu been made to run on your device?
[16:51] <kvmmm> I've read some people have been able to do it, but haven't tried yet
[16:51] <mcphail> kvmmm: it runs on a very small subset of available phones
[16:53] <kvmmm> maybe I should just buy the Meizu Pro 5
[16:53] <filifunk> these are the devices right?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[16:54] <mcphail> filifunk: i think so
[16:55] <kvmmm> anyone here own a Meizu Pro 5?
[16:55] <filifunk> mcphail:  I don't understand what are the drawbacks with those with a system image server and those without?
[16:56] <kvmmm> I'm wondering how the camera compares to other phones
[16:57] <filifunk> Do you have to have service on the phone in order to get ubuntu onto it?  I'm considering buying one of these old phones and trying it out/
[17:13] <kvmmm> filifunk I already have an old phone I'm planning to try it on :P
[17:37] <filifunk> kvmm which one?
[17:37] <filifunk> and do you have service on it?
[17:43] <bregma> filifunk, no, you do not need service on a phone to install Ubuntu
[17:44] <bregma> I have an old N4 that has never had a SIM and Ubuntu runs fine (WiFi only, just like a tablet)
[17:45] <bregma> I also have an N4 with a SIM as my regular phone I use every day, so that works too
[17:45] <filifunk> awesome, I want the cheapest way to do this so I can buy an old phone and do this.  My ubuntu phone fantasy is being able to get terminal, ipython, mysql, my mysql databases that are currently on my desktop---onto my phone
[17:46] <filifunk> is that possible?
[17:55]  * ahoneybun is trying to fix his SIM issue
[18:50] <kvmmm> so if I try to put Ubuntu on an unsupported phone, chances are I'll brick it, right?
[22:55] <swalladge> ^ yeah probably. should be fine as long as you don't mess up the bootloader though
[22:55] <swalladge> anyone having problems with ota 11 not automatically connected to remembered networks (wifi)?
[22:56] <swalladge> mine isn't recognizing that the wifi network is the same everytime i restart it. (end up with heaps of 'previous networks')


[00:30] <Kamzy> Anyone about that can make sense of this, Trying to install Lubuntu on an relic of a laptop ( https://www.cnet.com/products/hp-compaq-nx9010-series/specs/ ) and every time I try to install it from usb I keep getting this error right after the initial menu and chosing install, it just keeps repeating, tried other USB ports and pensorry to repost this but wasn't here if anyone replied,  I think i've managed once to get it to install but it was half
[00:30] <Kamzy> broken, I'm just wondering what might be up
[00:31] <Kamzy> INFO: task swapper/0:1 blocked for more then 120 seconds
[00:31] <Kamzy> Not tainted 4.13.0-16-generic #19-Ubuntu
[00:31] <Kamzy>  "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_tast_timeout_secs" disables this message
[03:58] <azizLIGHT> how can i get the hex color code of where my mouse is
[12:16] <c2tarun> azizLIGHT, Try Color Picker in software center
[14:20] <jgb> Is it possible to create an icon to the launchbar which, when clicked, gives a dropdown containing multiple applications?
[17:26] <zuiss1> hi. when my lubuntu 17.10 screen locks due to inactivity, about 75% of the time entering my password into the dialog box and hitting OK doesn't unlock the computer. it just goes to a black screen, seems to do nothing for 5-10 seconds, then returns to the password prompt. attempting to unlock is a second time always succeeds
[18:05] <Jay__> hi
[18:05] <Jay__> when I try and open terminal in a specific folder
[18:05] <Jay__> it tells me the default not set
[18:06] <Jay__> I am a linux noob so that sure what to do
[18:06] <Jay__> in lubuntu
[18:06] <Jay__> it says terminal emulator not set


[00:40] <Scary_Guy> Anyone know what's going on with the https://gettogether.community site?
[00:43] <cmaloney> Not sure. I haven't posted anything on there in years
[00:43] <cmaloney> Going to say that it likely has an old version of Django and that version of Django has a DOS vulnerability.
[00:57] <Scary_Guy> Fun!
[01:04] <Scary_Guy> https://github.com/GetTogetherComm/GetTogether/issues/323 Interesting discussion though.
[01:26] <cmaloney> Yeah, I think the project has aged out. I hope it comes back soon but I wouldn't hold my breath
[02:04] <Scary_Guy> Wish Meetup would age out :/
[05:17] <cmaloney> Same
[05:17] <cmaloney> I use Meetup. I do not enjoy Meetup.
[07:47] <Scary_Guy> Yeah that's about how I feel about it too.
[09:11] <wolfger> TIL: the pandemic didn't kill meetup
[13:51] <cmaloney> morning
[13:53] <Scary_Guy> It is...  I should probably sleep.


[23:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-qt- New binary: libqt5qxlsx [amd64] (noble-proposed/universe) [1.4.4-1.1] (no packageset)
[23:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-qt- New: accepted libqt5qxlsx [amd64] (noble-proposed) [1.4.4-1.1]


[21:19] <valorie> https://dot.kde.org/2019/12/30/plasma-safe-haven-windows-7-refugees <--- I'm gonna tweet this for kubuntu
[21:19] <valorie> or rt kde-community
[21:19] <valorie> because it's fun
[21:39] <valorie> and they aren't ready, boo
 It looks interesting.
[22:28] <valorie> support ends today so I don't know why they are waiting
 It says the 14th.
 It's the 7th.
[22:32] <valorie> what says the 14th?


[08:57] <erichammond> smoser: ping
[08:58] <kim0> Morning everyone
[09:51] <koolhead11> afternoon everyone :)
[09:51] <koolhead11> hi kim0
[09:51] <kim0> koolhead11: hey man
[09:51] <kim0> It's morning for me .. but yeah :)
[09:51] <koolhead11> :D
[10:44] <koolhead11> kim0, ping
[10:48] <kim0> yes ?
[10:49] <koolhead11> kim0, issue resloved!! :D
[10:55] <kim0> koolhead11: what issue :)
[10:55] <koolhead11> kim0, had some confusion soren helped me
[10:56] <kim0> ah awesome :)
[10:56] <koolhead11> its typo day 4 me. doing mistakes :(
[13:09] <smoser> erichammond, here now.
[16:05] <TeTeT> smoser: I discovered lately that 'persistency' does not seem to be an English word at all - should I ask to rename the project to be 'uec-persistence'?
[16:05] <TeTeT> TREllis: ^ your thoughts would be interesting as well
[16:06] <kim0> lol :D
[16:06] <smoser> TeTeT, i have no strong feelings.
[16:19] <TREllis> TeTeT: sounds fine, I have no strong feelings
[16:21] <TeTeT> ok, so we leave it as is, hope we don't look like the fool that I am ;)
[17:30] <bhavesh> does anybody has worked on UEC 2.0 ?
[17:31] <bhavesh> hello ?
[17:35] <jero> hello
[17:38] <jero> I have been experiencing several and quite frequent lockups (machine becomes like frozen for 3-5 minutes, my statistics show one cpu stuck at 100% and load climbs at 40-50 while system is unloaded) with  EC2 "m1.large" instances those last weeks, with lucid ami-fa01f193
[17:39] <jero> s/unloaded/not much loaded/
[17:47] <jero> anyone experienced that ?
[17:50] <bhavesh>  does anybody has worked on UEC 2.0 ?
[18:10] <kim0> jero: I think there was some bug that did that .. smoser would know about it
[18:10] <jero> kim0: ah!
[18:11] <jero> is smoser around ?
[18:11] <kim0> just wait around
[18:11] <jero> thanks !
[18:11] <jero> this is giving me white hair :)
[18:12] <kim0> hehe
[18:15] <smoser> jero, please open a bug (use ubuntu-bug /boot/vmlinuz-$(uname -r) from inside an instance)
[18:16] <smoser> and describe anything anything you can do to trigger it
[18:16] <smoser> and see if console output shows anything of interest (or dmesg if you can get it)
[18:16] <kim0> oh so it's not a known issue .. okie
[18:16] <smoser> load in a ec2 instance might not be 100% useful
[18:16] <smoser> well, there are kernel bugs.
[18:18] <jero> I opened a case at aws too
[18:21] <smoser> http://tinyurl.com/ec2-bugs-linux and http://tinyurl.com/ec2-bugs-linux-ec2 have list of bugs that are open on 'linux' or 'linux-ec2' and are tagged ec2-images
[18:22] <jero> thanks
[18:23] <smoser> jero, but please do open a bug. you can subscribe 'smoser' and stefan-bader-canonical
[18:23] <jero> smolyn: I used m1.large instances some time ago with lucid (other AMIs), and didn't have that issue
[21:14] <gtaylor_laptop> Anyone else notice that Ubuntu EC2 instances take -forever- to restart? Or get stuck and don't restart until you restart them a second time through the EC2 management console?
[22:02] <erichammond> gtaylor_laptop: What do you mean by "restart"?  Reboot?  stop/start? terminate/run?
[22:02] <gtaylor_laptop> erichammond: Reboot via the management console
[22:02] <gtaylor_laptop> erichammond: Though, it's done the same thing via SSH and 'shutdown -r now'


[04:52] <jonpc> hello all i was hoping someone might be able to help me get two misbehaving usb ports working or at least diagnose what the issue is-it all started when i used a program on windows to use ps3 controller ith os now iuse only linux no dual boot but usb still wont work (only two of 10 ports dont work
[15:34] <pmjdebru1jn> when I replace ristretto with eye-of-mate, image files are opened with GIMP by default instead
[15:34] <pmjdebru1jn> where are these associations kept, systemwide?
[15:34] <pmjdebru1jn> I'm aware of ~/.config/mimeapps
[15:53] <diogenes_> pmjdebru1jn, why don't you just right click on the image and > properties > open with
[16:12] <pmjdebru1jn> diogenes_: I'm looking for a structural fix to integrate onto a livecd
[16:14] <diogenes_> ok the ~/.config/mimeapps might be the right place
[16:16] <pmjdebru1jn> any clue where the defaults come from?
[16:16] <diogenes_> pmjdebru1jn, i never research that but it might be in /etc
[22:48] <RoadRunner|2> can't write to floppy.  help?
[23:05] <kua> Hey does anyone know if this laptop can run Xubuntu? http://a.co/1LdN5Mc


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[13:58] <ubuntu1> salaaam
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[01:29] <darkxst> hey octoquad
[02:42] <ratchek> Hello!
[02:43] <ratchek> OK, this is my first time using IRC, so if i do anything wrong please correct me
[02:43] <ratchek> if i'm having problems with gnome-ubuntu where should i go?
[03:56] <darkxst> ratchek, what problems are you having?
[04:15] <ratchek> oh, didn't notice you're here
[04:15] <ratchek> hi
[04:17] <ratchek> so i've loaded ubuntu gnome on my new laptop (http://www.amazon.com/Dell-i3147-3750sLV-11-6-Inch-Convertible-Touchscreen/dp/B00KMRGF3M)
[04:17] <ratchek> and it keeps freezing during the booting sequence
[04:17] <ratchek> i tried reinstalling it
[04:17] <ratchek> then i tried reinstalling it in legacy boot mode
[04:18] <ratchek> and it keeps frezing
[04:18] <ratchek> when i entered ubuntu recovery mode
[04:19] <ratchek> it freezes at :
[04:19] <ratchek> [ 5.479187] system-devd[266] : starting version 204
[04:48] <ratchek> unfortunately, i have to leave. I won't be turning off the client, so if somebody could write what hours would be best to get help, i would come back then. Thanks in advance.
[06:07] <semicolon> Good morning
[06:11] <darkxst> ratchek, you are trying to install 14.04? might be best to try 14.10 since its a new laptop
[06:11] <darkxst> semicolon, morning
[06:12] <ratchek> 14.10 is the first one i tried
[06:13] <octoquad> morning semicolon
[06:14] <darkxst> ratchek, 14.10 has systemd 208 I think?
[06:14] <darkxst> ratchek, what gpu do you have?
[06:14] <ratchek> darkxst, sorry, but what is system 208?
[06:15] <darkxst> <ratchek> [ 5.479187] system-devd[266] : starting version 204
[06:15] <ratchek> darkxst, oh, yes I see what you're saying
[06:16] <ratchek> but after i tried and failed with 14.10 u started trying with 14.04
[06:16] <darkxst> ratchek, what gpu do you have?
[06:16] <ratchek> because i figured, sice it's lts, it should have better support
[06:16] <ratchek> ok, I'm kind of a newbie
[06:17] <darkxst> graphics card?
[06:17] <ratchek> so according to amazon, this particular laptop has Intel HD graphics
[06:17] <ratchek> that's all it says
[06:17] <ratchek> how can i find out?
[06:18] <darkxst> ratchek, look on dell site?
[06:18] <ratchek> ok, give me a sec
[06:20] <ratchek> all it says is Intel® HD Graphics
[06:21] <ratchek> this is a 400$ laptop
[06:21] <ratchek> is it possible for it to not have a dedicated gpu?
[06:21] <darkxst> intel gpu are integrated in the cpu
[06:22] <darkxst> ratchek, maybe try booting a daily image and see if that works (for live session) that has a newer kernel
[06:22] <ratchek> yeah so unfortunately, that is all i got out of the dell site
[06:22] <darkxst> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/
[06:24] <ratchek> darkxst, could you please explain what a daily-live image is?
[06:25] <ratchek> darkxst, ok, for some reason i was able to boot it off the live cd that i used for the originall install
[06:26] <ratchek> is there any diagnostic i could run in the terminal that would tell me what's wrong?
[06:27] <mgedmin> lspci -s 00:02.0 -nnn will tell you what kind of graphics it has
[06:29] <ratchek> darkxst, great, so i ran the command and got the following
[06:29] <ratchek> Intel Corporation ValleyView Gen7
[06:29] <ratchek> [8086:0f31]
[06:30] <darkxst> ratchek, hmm, so its actually quite old
[06:30] <ratchek> darkxst, is that a good thing or a bad thing?
[06:30] <darkxst> would be best to paste some logs, probably /var/log/gdm/\:0*.log
[06:31] <darkxst> ratchek, well it should definately work with 14.10 and probably 14.04
[06:35] <ratchek> darkxst, will the logs help even though i'm  using a live session to access the terminal?
[06:35] <darkxst> ratchek, no, probably not
[06:35] <ratchek> darkxst, isn't it wierd that the live session goes through and the normal install doesn't?
[06:35] <ratchek> darkxst, or does that happen
[06:38] <darkxst> ratchek, quite rare on a fresh install
[06:38] <ratchek> darkxst, any ideas what i could try next or where to look for a solution?
[06:41] <darkxst> ratchek, not without seeing logs of the failure
[06:41] <mgedmin> exactly how hard does it freeze on boot?
[06:41] <mgedmin> can you ctrl-alt-f1...f7?
[06:41] <mgedmin> can you alt-sysrq-s,u,b?
[06:42] <darkxst> reboot and get /var/log/gdm/\:0*.log and /var/log/syslog
[06:42] <ratchek> mgedmin, haven't tried, I'm kind of new to this. I'll try now.
[06:46] <ratchek> mgedmin, ok, so the ctrl-alt-f1...f7 didnt' work
[06:47] <ratchek> mgedmin, also my laptop doesn't have sysrq for some reason, so i tried with the prntscrn button which didn't work either
[06:48] <ratchek> darkxst, mgedmin, also funny thing when i was turning off the live sesion, it froze. Again none of the other methods worked
[06:49] <ratchek> darkxst, hmm, i'm new to irc, how do i indicate that the message is to both you and mgedmin?
[06:50] <darkxst> you just did!
[06:50] <darkxst> could be a kernel issue if you can't switch to a VT with ctl-alt-f1 etc
[06:51] <ratchek> darkxst, that sounds bad and complicated/impossible to fix...
[06:52] <darkxst> ratchek, 1. maybe try boot with 'nomodeset'
[06:52] <darkxst> 2. do try the daily-image maybe whatever bug you are hitting is fixed in newer kernel
[06:52] <ratchek> darkxst, ok, i just tried turning it on again and it somhow booted to the recovery menu
[06:53] <ratchek> darkxst, is there anyway i can now supply the logs of what was happening at startup?
[06:53] <darkxst> no, you need to get the logs after it freezes
[06:54] <ratchek> darkxst, too bad, thought i got lucky.
[06:54] <ratchek> darkxst, would you please explain what nomodest is?
[06:55] <octoquad> darkxst, any reason apport isn't submitting bug reports? Just had a crash with gnome-shell...
[06:55] <darkxst> ratchek, its a kernel option
[06:56] <darkxst> octoquad, 15.04? maybe they haven't enabled them yet?
[06:56] <ratchek> darkxst, mhm, but what does it do?
[06:56] <octoquad> weird
[06:56] <darkxst> switches from kernel mode setting which does fix some issues for people
[06:57] <darkxst> octoquad, you can run ubuntu-bug on the crash file in /var/crash
[06:57] <octoquad> darkxst, commented out a line in /etc/apport/crashdb.conf
[06:57] <octoquad> busy submitting
[06:57] <darkxst> or yes that also
[06:57] <octoquad> proabably got reset on an update
[06:58] <darkxst> crashes still go to errors.u.c regardless I think
[06:58] <octoquad> oh
[06:59] <darkxst> which is a good way to find high-impact crashes
[06:59] <octoquad> well this was bad, lost the shell completely and was unable to use gnome-shell --replace as connection was refused
[07:00] <octoquad> although the firefox was still working, just no window management
[07:00] <darkxst> octoquad, what I do, and it will nearly always work
[07:00] <octoquad> ah huh
[07:00] <darkxst> switch to VT and do a metacity --replace
[07:00] <octoquad> nice
[07:00] <octoquad> I'll remember that
[07:00] <darkxst> sometimes you need to kill gnome-shell first
[07:00] <darkxst> with -9
[07:01] <darkxst> then restart gnome-shell once you are back in your X session
[07:01] <octoquad> I just do sudo service gdm restart and everything is back to normal haha
[07:02] <ratchek> darkxst, i did it, it worked like a charm!
[07:02] <ratchek> darkxst, thank you very much
[07:02] <ratchek> darkxst, do i need to do that every time i reboot?
[07:05] <ratchek> darkxst, ok, i think i found the answer to my previous question
[07:05] <darkxst> octoquad, but that kills your session!
[07:07] <darkxst> ratchek, what did you do?
[07:08] <ratchek> darkxst, change the /etc/grub file  from "quiet splash" to "quiet splash nomodest"
[07:08] <ratchek> darkxst, and then update-grub
[07:08] <ratchek> darkxst, haven't rebooted yet, so if something's wrong, now would be the time to shout :)
[07:09] <darkxst> ratchek, ok, the will stick, no need to do it next time you reboot
[07:10] <ratchek> you guys are all awesome
[07:10] <darkxst> ricotz, hi
[07:10] <ratchek> darkxst, do you mind if i ask to off-topic  questions?
[07:10] <darkxst> ricotz, http://pastebin.com/K0bBWtte look right?
[07:10] <darkxst> ratchek, ok
[07:11] <darkxst> ricotz, cdbs really doesn't make it easy to override make check ;(
[07:14] <ratchek> darkxst, first of all, i'm a 2nd year computer science student and i just recently learned about opensource softwarre. I wanted to start contributing via github or something similar, but while i've learned c++ and java in school well enough to continue studying on my own, when i tried looking at the opensource projects their structure overwhelmed me. It is so different than anything i have learned. I don't know if i'll be learning
[07:14] <ratchek>  that in school but do you maybe know where i could ease into the opensource world, so i could get aquainted with the way things work and eventually be able to contribute?
[07:15] <darkxst> ratchek, GNOME is mostly C, Vala and Javascript not very much c++
[07:16] <darkxst> ratchek, probably best way is to start by trying to fix a few (simple) bugs
[07:17] <ratchek> darkxst, i would consider learning C but that's not my main point. I'm looking for somewhere to learn the structure of coding projects in general
[07:17] <darkxst> ratchek, there is no one structure
[07:17] <ricotz> darkxst, hi. yeah, cdbs can be weird, but this seems to be more hacky/verbose than needed
[07:18] <darkxst> most of the big projects have kind of each evolved into their own different standard
[07:18] <darkxst> ricotz, do you have a better idea? common-post-build-arch doesnt work because it runs in fakeroot
[07:18] <darkxst> and common-build-arch seems to get called multiple times
[07:18] <ratchek> darkxst, any small projects floating arround you know about?
[07:19] <darkxst> ratchek, I would say just pick any project that interests you. then find a bug that annoys you and fix it!
[07:20] <ratchek> darkxst, ok, thanks i'll keep trying.
[07:20] <ratchek> darkxst, also departing, where there any stumbles when it came to irc protocol that i made?
[07:20] <ratchek> darkxst, anything i should be aware of?
[07:21] <ricotz> darkxst, i see, did you take a look at existing packagings?
[07:21] <ricotz> e.g. unstable-desktop/libsoup2.4/debian/rules
[07:23] <darkxst> ricotz, I did do a code search for xvfb-run in debian, though its rarely used in cdbs it seems
[07:25] <darkxst> didnt see that one though
[07:29] <ratchek> darkst, thank you once again
[07:29] <ratchek> goodbye
[07:29] <darkxst> ricotz, though that seems way more verbose than mine
[07:29] <darkxst> does xvfb-run really spam $HOME?
[07:30] <darkxst> or would that be for tests that require $HOME
[07:32] <ricotz> darkxst, not xvfb-run itself but the tests if needed
[07:50] <darkxst> ricotz, ok, which I pretty sure isn't needed for gjs tests
[09:43] <darkxst> octoquad, feel like verifying bug 1391102?
[09:43] <darkxst> (see comment #6 for instructions)
[09:44] <darkxst> and given its a MRE you just need to make sure it works fine (there is no specific issues as such!)
[14:20] <LinDol> hi all
[14:34] <JockeTF> Hellopaca, LinDol!
[14:34] <LinDol> JockeTF, Thank you for your greeting :)
[14:36] <JockeTF> LinDol: You are very welcome. ;P
[14:41] <LinDol> ;)
[14:43] <LinDol> I will go to the bed, have a  good night. ;-)
[18:44] <octoquad> darkxst, sure, I'll test in a VM and a real machine I work on for a day to make sure there are no problems.
[20:47] <darkxst> octoquad, thanks
[20:57] <octoquad> so far no problems in VM
[21:02] <darkxst> ok, wouldnt expect any problems really, in fact it fixes a bunch of crashes
[21:07] <octoquad> Is this a mission: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1129409
[21:09] <octoquad> Would tracker be updated for this as well? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1409461
[21:11] <darkxst> not sure if that is fixed in tracker 1.0.6
[21:12] <darkxst> seems alberto is the only one that knows how to fix the fglrx bug
[21:12] <octoquad> I suppose I could just ask him to enable the proposed repo to try tracker 1.0.6?
[21:13] <octoquad> and ask them not to reply on that bug report that it doesn't work because it might be a seperate issue with tracker
[21:26] <darkxst> octoquad, well it wouldnt have been introduced in 1.0.5/1.0.6 so wouldnt affect the SRU
[21:29] <darkxst> and it maybe crashing on a particular file on the users system, '/usr/lib/tracker-miner-fs -v 3 -n' would show that


[01:42] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[10:41] <Maik> lotuspsychje: Ubuntu should do it like Fedora, keep at least three kernels and when a new one is added it removes the oldest one automatically
[10:43] <ravage> it usually keeps the latest 2. but when you switch to a newer kernel like it happened with 20.04 (HWE -> 5.15) it keeps those too
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> i installed focal at a customer recently wich pulled HWE 5.15 on updates
[10:43] <ravage> and the other kernels he had were from previous ubuntu releases. sometimes you just have to clean up a bit
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> but didnt check the remaining ones
[17:14] <leftyfb> ogra: I've got octoprint all tricked out to do lots of things for me. I get periodic notifications on my phone of the print status with a picture, I have it set to power off the printer when the print is finished, also turns off the custom LCD screen on the pi that I use to control octoprint. I can gracefully cancel prints or just select objects or areas of the print bed to stop printing if only that part is failing, while it continues to
[17:14] <leftyfb> print everything else. I also use the Obico(previous the spaghetti detective) service to monitor prints and will warn me or pause the print if it detects any major failures. I can also print all my past sliced prints saved on the pi. I can start prints remotely if I like. Also, if for whatever reason the bed or hot end are left on for a period of time without activity, it'll shut itself down
[17:15] <leftyfb> ogra: I'm curious if your prints failed due to clog or something. ALSO, a while back before I upgraded to a pi4 4gb, a couple times the pi did run out of memory for whatever reason and did kill the print. I guess this would be a downside to octoprint. But since upgrading over a year ago and printing scores of objects since, I
[17:15] <leftyfb> I've had zero issues
[17:16] <ogra> yeah, it is helpful if you do really remote things ... but i rarely do nowadays ... printer sits next to me in the office and i have the cam stream visible in my living room in case i'm not near it ... i rarely print while not at home
[17:17] <leftyfb> my printer is almost always running :)
[17:17] <ogra> i dont even have the usb attaced anymore ... SD and hitting th print button on the printer is good enough
[17:17] <ogra> i only use USB for E-Step calibration and such ... but thats something you only do once every now and then anyway
[17:18] <leftyfb> I don't trust sd cards at all
[17:18] <leftyfb> also haste sneakernetting
[17:18] <leftyfb> hate*
[17:19] <ogra> the "plastic vomit incidents" were all with my former delta printer and due to some mechanical issues it had ...
[17:19] <leftyfb> right, so what does that have to do with octoprint?
[17:19] <ogra> but if you forget to watch it for a few hours the "hairball" it produces can gt quite big ... and a mess to clean up 🙂
[17:20] <leftyfb> see, that's where obico comes in
[17:20] <ogra> has indeed nothing to do with octoprint ... i just dont use it anymore, my printer rarely prints unattended
[17:20] <leftyfb> I have always watched the first layer. Other than that, I walk away or don't pay attention (the printer is about a foot away from me while I work)
[17:22] <ogra> similar here ...
[17:23] <leftyfb> https://photos.app.goo.gl/4tmRzVpDvcK4w6xt8
[17:24] <ogra> neat
[17:24] <leftyfb> the interface on the LCD on the right has changed since I took the picture
[17:24] <ogra> putting the reels at the top is pretty brave ...
[17:25] <leftyfb> why? That's it's design
[17:25] <ogra> i have had that before but saw awful pics when something went wrong ... its like an accelerant if your bed verheats and sets stuff on fire or some such
[17:26] <ogra> i.e. the worst place you could put it when there is fire ...
[17:27] <leftyfb> again, if the hot end and bed stay on too long without movement, it'll shut them off and the printer shuts off
[17:27] <leftyfb> it's also directly below a smoke detector :)
[17:28] <ogra> heh ... clever
[17:28] <leftyfb> octoprint sends a signal to a smart plug which kills power to the printer completely
[20:46] <webchat117> Hello!  My boss has assigned me to find out if it's the year of the Linux Desktop yet.  Anyone here successfully managing Ubuntu laptops in an enterprise environment?
[20:47] <sarnold> oh man, you must have aced the "replace the blinker fluid in all the fleet cars" to get assigned this job
[20:49] <oerheks> webchat117, keep polling, and mail your boss the results in 2030
[20:50] <leftyfb> webchat117: there are plenty of businesses that utilize linux workstations
[20:50] <leftyfb> webchat117: polling isn't going to help you at all. Start with your needs and test to see if ubuntu on the desktop works for you.
[20:51] <sarnold> oh snap, real advice :)
[20:54] <tomreyn> according to your bosses' website, the company is already using linux desktops. i guess the assignment won't add much value then.
[20:57] <leftyfb> stock photos?
[21:00] <tomreyn> entirely possible
[21:00] <leftyfb> not sure if we're looking at the same side, but I'm pretty sure they are using mac's in these picutres. I know one of them definitely is. And I see a macbook in one picture
[21:00] <leftyfb> can't seem to grab the damn pic though. Stupid hidden html
[21:01] <sarnold> network inspector?
[21:01] <leftyfb> good call
[21:01] <tomreyn> https://www.hudsonrivertrading.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Home-Hero-0201.jpg and https://www.hudsonrivertrading.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Home-Hero-03-Updated.jpg
[21:01] <tomreyn> right-click "open image in new tab" on firefox. not on chrom*
[21:02] <leftyfb> yeah, the 2nd one is the one I was looking at
[21:03] <leftyfb> no indication it's linux. Not the workstation anyway
[21:03] <leftyfb> and the macbook is on the left
[21:03] <leftyfb> 2 of them
[21:05] <webchat117> Being a bit tongue in cheek.  Yeah, we're mostly a Mac shop.  I'm investigating putting together a plan to roll out some Linux endpoints and wanted to know if anyone had advice.
[21:05] <leftyfb> webchat117: try it
[21:07] <webchat117> I am currently in the midst of trying it, but the seeming lack of an MDM is troubling to my Mac-brain.  I didn't know if there were any management idioms in the Linux world.  If this is the wrong place and I just need to RTFM, feel free to say so.
[21:08] <leftyfb> I don't know of any MDM for linux
[21:08] <tomreyn> i guess it depends much on how much central management / auditing you need. if you want to restrict users to non root access they will hardly be happy, and if you don't then maybe you won't be able to convince all auditors that "you are working securely"
[21:08] <arraybolt3[m]> webchat117: Linux is successfully deployed in enterprise environments all over the place - in fact, Google uses their own version of Debian exclusively.
[21:08] <arraybolt3[m]> webchat117: Ubuntu is designed for enterprise use.
[21:10] <arraybolt3[m]> webchat117: As far as MDM, give users non-root access, set a BIOS password, and keep Secure Boot on. Maybe also set up your own account so you can SSH into the system whenever if they're connected to the primary VPN.
[21:10] <tomreyn> to get you started, there is https://ubuntu.com/landscape/features and there is sssd
[21:11] <arraybolt3[m]> webchat117: You could even set it up so that the system always tried to connect to the VPN and maybe even block Internet access if the VPN wasn't connected so that users had to be connected to the corporate network in order for the system to really work.
[21:11] <leftyfb> arraybolt3[m]: that's not MDM
[21:11] <webchat117> We need to have EDR and DLP software in place, and we need some assurance they don't get out of place.  We're talking about developers, so non-root is out of the question.
[21:11] <arraybolt3[m]> leftyfb: True, but I've dealt with MDM devices and this is about as close as you can get with a desktop AFAIK.
[21:11] <leftyfb> webchat117: with root, all bets are off
[21:11] <webchat117> That
[21:11] <leftyfb> unless you add in something like grsec
[21:12] <webchat117> 's my concern.
[21:12] <arraybolt3[m]> webchat117: Why not keep them non-root on the physical hardware and give them a VM that they can run as root?
[21:12] <tomreyn> that'd be my take, too
[21:12] <webchat117> At that point I'd just give them a Mac, a Linux server, and SSH/X11 forwarding.
[21:12] <arraybolt3[m]> GNOME Boxes + a Lubuntu ISO = developer gets root access without being allowed to wreak havoc on the physical machine.
[21:13] <arraybolt3[m]> (Oh, also, you'd want to set a password on the GRUB bootloader so that someone couldn't drop into the bootloader and boot whatever they wanted to.)
[21:13] <webchat117> Re Landscape, that's the reason I'm in ubuntu-discuss and not some other-discuss
[21:14] <tomreyn> you should probably have this discussion with sales@canonical, too
[21:15] <tomreyn> but i guess the DLP + EDR parts will be difficult if you also want to keep the platform open
[21:15] <tomreyn> or even in general, because there won't be much 'accredited' software which provides linux desktop support
[21:15] <webchat117> Oh yeah, I've reached out to sales.
[21:15] <tomreyn> maybe start with this first, if it's a fixed requirement
[21:16] <arraybolt3[m]> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MyDLP
[21:16] <webchat117> I'm not that much of a jackass, I did some amount of due diligence before bothering y'all
[21:17] <tomreyn> interesting, i wasn't aware of 'MyDLP'
[21:17] <arraybolt3[m]> And there's also various Linux EDR solutions I can see, though they don't look like they're provided by Canonical.
[21:18] <webchat117> Yeah, we've got EDR and DLP in place on other platforms and I'm hoping to use those.  They're both currently running somewhat happily on my test machine, so that box is checked.
[21:18] <arraybolt3[m]> (Then again MyDLP doesn't appear to be Canonical's doing either.)
[21:19] <tomreyn> webchat117: oh, that's quite the achievement already, i would have thought this will be the hardest part.
[21:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Really, if you want to give users root access without giving them root access, virtualization is probably going to be the way to go IMO. Containerization might also work (I'm not sure on this one, other's probably know way more about that than I do), but I know for a fact you can give a user full root access in a VM and only standard access on the host system.
[21:20] <tomreyn> webchat117: well, the other hard part will be convincing the dev's they can't have root on the main system
[21:21] <webchat117> Honestly, if they have root in the VM and that VM has network access, it's no solution.
[21:21] <webchat117> The issue is less about the endpoint and more about what it can touch.
[21:21] <tomreyn> you'd need a software request management system like all the enterprises have it. tick a box on this web app to request this software to be installe don your computer. if licensing fees are involved, granting that wish will depend on your role or line managers' decision.
[21:22] <arraybolt3[m]> If that's the case, I'm missing something - that sounds like a security issue to be tackled on those other systems.
[21:23] <tomreyn> you could limit network access for the guest on the host
[21:23] <tomreyn> or just via cgroups
[21:24] <tomreyn> but normally you want to do such using network firewalls / proxy servers, i guess.
[21:24] <oerheks> i still have 3 packages held back; The following packages have been kept back:  python3-distupgrade ubuntu-release-upgrader-core ubuntu-release-upgrader-gtk
[21:24] <webchat117> The problem with root is being able to remove EDR/DLP software and then do bad things to IP/infrastructure.  Defense in depth is the name of the game, but having what is essentially a rogue endpoint is never a great thing.
[21:24] <oerheks> err wrong channel
[21:25] <arraybolt3[m]> webchat117: And that EDR/DLP software would have to run on the guest?
[21:25] <arraybolt3[m]> webchat117: My thinking was, run the EDR/DLP on the host and then give the devs a clean, do whatever you want VM to develop in.
[21:25] <webchat117> I guess the solution would be zero trust network access where non-compliant devices cannot talk, but that's currently bordering on a fictional technology
[21:26] <webchat117> The VM would be functionally identical to the rogue physical machine as far as being able to ruin my day
[21:26] <arraybolt3[m]> webchat117: Require the presence of the EDR/DLP software in order to allow connecting to the corporate VPN?
[21:27] <arraybolt3[m]> I dunno if that's a thing, but that seems like it would be easy enough to do from a programming standpoint.
[21:27] <webchat117> That'd be the ZTNA piece.  We'd also need to figure out an on-prem solution.
[21:28] <webchat117> The problem itself is simple, but I'm not aware of a solution that really solves the problem yet.  I assume it's an implementation nightmare, otherwise someone would have done it by now.  MS is making strides with Azure/Defender
[21:28] <arraybolt3[m]> (Just fyi, I'm not an expert at any of this - this is just me throwing around what I know of Linux to try to help solve the problem.)
[21:29] <webchat117> No worries, I appreciate hearing ideas
[21:29] <arraybolt3[m]> webchat117: So, here's something to think about - an employee could potentially bring in a copy of QEMU that was statically linked, and run their own VM with root privileges within the VM and network access, without having to have root on the host. Would that also mess up your system? Because if so, that sounds like a poorly designed system to me.
[21:31] <webchat117> I mean, "mess up" isn't the right way to think about this.  It adds risk.  A rogue endpoint shouldn't actually cause a catastrophic failure, but if you stack enough risks, systems will start failing.
[21:31] <webchat117> See "it never gets cold in Florida" leading to the Challenger
[21:31] <arraybolt3[m]> I see what you're saying.
[21:32]  * arraybolt3[m] goes afk
[21:32] <webchat117> Thanks for the chat all, this was helpful
[21:38] <arraybolt3[m]> webchat117: I have another thought.
[21:38] <tomreyn> they wont listen
[21:38] <arraybolt3[m]> webchat117: What is it that a user can do with root in a VM that they couldn't do without root in that same VM? (No need to answer, just think about it.)
[21:38] <leftyfb> they left
[21:38] <arraybolt3[m]> leftyfb: Oh, my chat isn't showing me that.
[21:39]  * arraybolt3[m] grumbles at Matrix
[21:39] <tomreyn> one of the fewer interesting discussions we've had here, though :)
[21:39] <leftyfb> if the VM needs to be bridged on the network, it's just another node that is now unencumbered
[21:39] <leftyfb> no different than the host
[21:39] <arraybolt3[m]> Right. Maybe that was the confusion part - I was thinking of a VM with usermode networking.
[21:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Where QEMU's network access appears to be the same as any other application. No network bridging.
[21:40] <arraybolt3[m]> s/confusion/confusing


[01:12] <gnewb> I could find no fix or resolution to the Marvel PCI card, getting old I guess.
[01:27] <linuxman410> does lubuntu run good on asus eeepc 701
[01:32] <gnewb> Hello linuxman410. this channel is not near as full as the main one. but I put it on my Brothers Asus and it screems.
[01:32] <linuxman410> is his a 701
[01:32] <gnewb> linuxman410: Yes it is.
[01:33] <linuxman410> only 512 ram
[01:34] <gnewb> linuxman410: It outperformed !#
[01:34] <linuxman410> cool
[01:35] <gnewb> I had to do a few twaeks, to lighten it a bit more, took all of 15 minutes.
[01:35] <gnewb> *tweaks
[01:38] <gnewb> linuxman410: I am running Lubuntu on a 256 Desktop with an older Celeron, no tweaks or anything, and no sluggish at all.
[02:04] <rtdos> 2 questions: what happened to xdm and is there a desktop similar to the one on MacOS?
[04:30] <kristian-aalborg> hi all - I guess I could delete ubiquity?
[04:34] <kristian-aalborg> and the ndiswrapper stuff....?
[12:27] <marwy> is there an easy way to remap some keys in lubuntu? i need to change the apps key to control
[12:28] <jettero> just edit the rc file in .config/openbox/
[12:28] <jettero> it's very straightforward
[12:32] <marwy> but i don't want to change keybindings, i want to remap apps key to control
[13:07] <head_victim>  http://blip.tv/file/get/Llelectronics-LubuntuAD901.mp4
[13:44] <Ormie> Hello
[14:05] <Timo_> head_victim: nice vid
[14:07] <head_victim> One of the people on the list made it for me to use.
[14:08] <Timo_> ye I saw
[14:13] <head_victim> Oh and my Thursday 20/01 just started so that means it's Lubuntu Documentation Day!
[14:30] <head_victim> First documentation update - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/KeepLubuntuUptoDate
[14:35] <ochosi> hi everyone
[14:35] <head_victim> Gday ochosi
[14:35] <ochosi> i just wanted to pop in and ask whether the lubuntu artwork guy is around
[14:36] <ochosi> or the person working on "ozone"
[14:36] <head_victim> Ah I think there are a few I'm not sure of their nicks though
[14:36] <ochosi> k
[14:36] <ochosi> are you involved in lubuntu?
[14:37] <kosaidpo_> hello guys again ic cant export to wod format with abiword
[14:37] <kosaidpo_> anyone can help ?
[14:37] <head_victim> ochosi: I help with documentation and some support stuffs.
[14:38] <head_victim> kosaidpo_: can't say I've tried it before and unfortunately my Lubuntu machine has ram issues at the moment
[14:38] <kosaidpo_> guys is libreoffice way heavy fo lubuntu ??
[14:38] <ochosi> head_victim: i see. maybe i'll just post what i have to say in the wiki then (since it seems there is no lubuntu-dev channel)
[14:39] <head_victim> ochosi: the mailing list is a good place to catch everyone
[14:39] <ochosi> head_victim: is it closed or open? (meaning: do i have to register)
[14:39] <head_victim> ochosi: good question, I don't mod that list so hang on I'll have a look
[14:40] <ochosi> hx
[14:40] <ochosi> +t
[14:40] <ochosi> thx
[14:40] <head_victim> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop
[14:40] <head_victim> That's the page that has the details. I states you ahve to be a team member to subscribe doesn't say anything about sending
[14:41] <ochosi> k, thanks
[15:39] <Ormie> Hello
[15:41] <Ormie> Is there anyone here?
[15:42] <mark76> Yeah
[15:42] <Ormie> Hi
[15:42] <mark76> Hello
[15:42] <Ormie> Why is it so quiet?
[15:42] <mark76> We're a Trappist community
[15:42] <mark76> Whoops
[15:42] <Ormie> Si
[15:43] <Ormie> I want lubuntu netbook edition
[15:43] <Ormie> on my EEE
[15:44] <mark76> Is that an original EEEEEEEEE?
[15:44] <Ormie> ASUS EEE PC
[15:44] <Ormie> :(
[15:44] <Ormie> Where can i get it from?
[15:44] <mark76> Have you tried the Lubuntu website?
[15:44] <Ormie> yes
[15:45] <mark76> NO joy?
[15:45] <Ormie> no netbook edition
[15:45] <Ormie> New now know how
[15:46] <mark76> Well I have the netbook edition. I suspect you have to install the full desktop edition and then choose the netbook version during the log in
[15:46] <Ormie> ok
[15:46] <Ormie> Your name is cool
[15:46] <Ormie> New now know how
[15:46] <bioterror> that's correct mark76
[15:46] <Ormie> :D
[15:46] <Ormie> Got to go now
[15:46] <bioterror> you can choose drop the dropbox in lxdm login screen
[15:46] <mark76> K
[15:47] <bioterror> root, once again :G
[16:30] <head_victim> phillw: looked at the other issues on the doc page there but I don't ahve a running pc with Lubuntu atm (ram died) so don't want to tinker too much because I can't confirm stuff for now.
[16:31] <head_victim> I'll be back in a few hours after some sleep so if other stuff gets added I'll look at it then.l
[16:50] <mark76> I'm attempting to steam new potatoes, broccoli florets, French beans and trout fillet
[16:50] <mark76> Whoops. Wrong one
[17:00] <dan____> hello. I'm interested in trying lubuntu on a ppc mac mini.I couldn't find an ISO for this hardware.  I already have ubuntu 10.04 on it but would like something lighter. Do I have to start from square 1?
[17:00] <bioterror> yes
[17:01] <bioterror> grab ubuntu mini for ppc and install lubuntu-desktop
[17:01] <bioterror> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/maverick/release/
[17:02] <bioterror> or
[17:02] <bioterror> you can install lubuntu-desktop (if there's one for the PPC ;)
[17:02] <bioterror> and then make pure lxde
[17:02] <bioterror> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde
[17:02] <dan____> hey, thanks.
[17:03] <bioterror> dan, check first
[17:03] <bioterror> apt-cache show lubuntu-desktop
[17:03] <bioterror> if you repositories have that meta package
[17:03] <bioterror> your
[17:03] <bioterror> otherwise it's going to be a pain in the ass
[17:03] <dan____> ok
[17:04] <dan____> I'd do it this minute, except it's tied up currently with a job
[17:04] <bioterror> :)
[17:05] <bioterror> I'm a little sceptic about this
[17:05] <dan____> why skeptical?
[17:08] <bioterror> maverick (metapackages): Lubuntu Desktop environment [multiverse]
[17:08] <bioterror> 0.18: amd64 i386
[17:08] <bioterror> well, packages search doesnt give much info for ubuntu-desktop neither
[17:09] <bioterror> and that should exist
[17:13] <dan____> @bioterror: so I think my first step should be downloading the latest ISO and seeing whether lubuntu is a desktop option.
[17:13] <meetingology> dan____: Error: "bioterror:" is not a valid command.
[17:13] <bioterror> well
[17:13] <bioterror> if you're running ubuntu atm.
[17:13] <bioterror> you can try to search from the repos first
[17:14] <bioterror> but lubuntu developers are using i686 (i585 too ;) and AMD64
[17:15] <dan____> thanks for your imput.
[17:15] <bioterror> can you confirm that
[17:15] <bioterror> I would like to know
[17:16] <bioterror> dan, but you can try http://www.morphos-team.net/downloads.html MorphOS ;)
[17:18] <dan____> yes, I will try. Sorry, not doing a good job of multitasking
[17:18] <bioterror> not a problem
[17:23] <dan____> bio, are you around often? I'm downloading morphos now. Gonna bill some hours but can get back with you on progress if you'd like.
[17:23] <bioterror> did you find that lubuntu-desktop package
[17:23] <bioterror> well
[17:23] <bioterror> MorphOS is operating system of it's own
[17:24] <dan____> right
[17:24] <bioterror> but can you find a lubuntu-desktop package from your ubuntu
[17:24] <bioterror> and I'm here often
[17:24] <dan____> ok. I'm gonna have to jet. will check back
[17:24] <dan____> thanks again.
[17:25] <bioterror> you never said
[17:25] <bioterror> is there a lubuntu-desktop package in your PowerPC repositories
[17:26] <dan____> right. the machine is tied up currently. can't check this minute
[17:26] <dan____> sorry.
[18:34] <kosaidpo_> hello guys
[18:34] <kosaidpo_> anyone know any tool to convert fom abw to doc ?
[19:01] <bioterror> why my lubuntu installation is installing kde stuff
[19:02] <mark76> No idea
[19:02] <bioterror> what they have added to natty
[19:02] <mark76> What kind of KDE stuff?
[19:03] <bioterror> I saw oxygen and plasma
[19:03] <mark76> That is strange
[19:06] <bioterror> Setting up kdelibs-bin (4:4.5.95-0ubuntu1) ...
[19:06] <bioterror> Setting up oxygen-icon-theme (4:4.5.95-0ubuntu1) ...
[19:07] <mark76> Hmm
[19:07] <mark76> Maybe the Lubuntu developers/packagers know
[19:08] <bioterror> Setting up kdelibs5-data (4:4.5.95-0ubuntu1) ...
[19:08] <bioterror> Setting up kubuntu-debug-installer (11.04ubuntu1) ...
[19:08] <mark76> Are you sure you're not installing Kubuntu?
[19:09] <bioterror> I am
[19:09] <bioterror> I did dist-upgrade ;)
[19:09] <mark76> Hmm
[19:09] <bioterror> yeah, gilir shall explain something ;)
[19:10] <bioterror> well, let's reboot, this laptop has been on for 11d 9h ;)
[19:10] <mark76> Tethered on batteries?
[19:11] <mark76> Tethered or batteries?
[19:13] <bioterror> hmmm
[19:13] <bioterror> lxdm is broken :D
[19:13] <bioterror> blinks just texts and doesnt show lubuntu logo at all :D
[19:20] <mark76> Yay!
[19:30] <pip__> is there a reason why doing a dist upgrade chandes my keyboard layout from UK to US?
[19:30] <pip__> ^changes, even
[19:30] <pip__> 10.10 to 1.04
[19:30] <pip__> ^11.04 even
[19:30] <bioterror> changen mine too
[19:30] <bioterror> changed
[19:30]  * pip__ learns to type
[19:30] <bioterror> I made a xorg.conf
[19:31] <pip__> bioterror: that sounds scary
[19:31] <mark76> Sounds like upgrading to Natty isn't a good idea right now
[19:31] <bioterror> :D
[19:32] <bioterror> it's an adventure
[19:32] <pip__> yeah, I shudda left well alone
[19:32] <pip__> everything was fine, then I had to prod stuff
[19:33] <bioterror> not a big thing to run Xorg -configure and add few lines :)
[19:34] <pip__> when you put it like that it doesn't sound so scary
[19:34] <bioterror> yeah
[19:34] <bioterror> well
[19:34] <pip__> I have no idea what that means though :)
[19:35] <bioterror> there's another way too
[19:35] <bioterror> put "setxkbmap uk" to autostart
[19:35] <pip__> I'm open to anything
[19:35] <pip__> aha
[19:36] <pip__> which do you think is the mor elegant solution?
[19:36] <pip__> ^more
[19:37] <pip__> bearing in mind, you are dealing with a newb
[19:37] <bioterror> why a newb is running alpha?-)
[19:37] <pip__> haha, it's an adventure
[19:39] <pip__> As an average or less than average user I thought if I found broken stuff it may help
[19:57] <pip__> oops, borked lubuntu.  I'll try again tomorrow
[20:01] <bioterror> hi gilir, seems like new theme is using some kde iconsets?
[20:02] <gilir> hi bioterror, I don't think so, where do you see it ?
[20:03] <bioterror> I made upgrade on natty and this downloaded some kde stuff
[20:04] <bioterror> and I am sure I have not installed anything related to KDE
[20:05] <gilir> could you try to remove them and see what is removed ? Maybe it's relative to unity-2d which install some QT depends
[20:05] <bioterror> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[20:06] <bioterror>   apturl-kde kdebase-runtime kdepim-runtime kdesudo kubuntu-debug-installer
[20:06] <bioterror>   oxygen-icon-theme python-kde4 qapt-batch software-properties-kde
[20:06] <bioterror> I put oxygen-icon-theme for removal
[20:07] <bioterror> ahahahaha
[20:08] <gilir> hum, oxygen-icon-theme should not be pull by lubuntu
[20:08] <bioterror> thjis is
[20:08] <bioterror> gotta pastebin
[20:08] <bioterror> http://paste.ubuntu.com/555945/
[20:08] <bioterror> :D
[20:09] <gilir> bioterror, you have a lot of useless stuff ;)
[20:09] <bioterror> I would like to know where did all those come from
[20:09] <bioterror> :D
[20:10] <bioterror> removing theme
[20:10] <bioterror> them
[20:15] <bioterror> and oh gilir
[20:15] <bioterror> if I do "dist-upgrade", I get those
[20:15] <bioterror> if I do just upgrade, nothing
[20:23] <TylerR> So how is everyone today in the world of Lubuntu?
[20:23] <Timo_> TylerR: #lubuntu-offtopic for offtopic chatting! :D
[20:23] <Timo_> and I'm fine :)
[20:23] <dan_> bioterror, I have results to report on ppc mac
[20:24] <bioterror> dan_, did you have lubuntu-desktop?-)
[20:24] <dan_> It said that chromium couldn't be installed.
[20:24] <dan_> however, I was able to add core
[20:25] <dan_> lubuntu-core, etc
[20:25] <bioterror> nice
[20:25] <dan_> so had some success
[20:25] <bioterror> lubuntu-artwork?
[20:25] <dan_> Not sure why chromium couldn't be installed.
[20:25] <dan_> any ideas
[20:27] <dan_> I just did something stupid and I don't know how to get out of it.
[20:28] <dan_> I logged on using the xbox desktop I think? get nothing but a blank screen
[20:28] <dan_> by the way, yes to artwork.
[20:29] <bioterror> xbox?
[20:29] <bioterror> you mean Openbox?
[20:30] <dan_> yes, openbox
[20:30] <dan_> sorry
[20:31] <dan_> can I reset my default desktop from the command line?
[20:31] <dan_> then reboot?
[20:31] <bioterror> can you explain a little more
[20:33] <dan_> looks like I have auto login set to yes.  I wanted to see what openbox, so set it as my environment (I thought temporarily).
[20:34] <dan_> after logging in, got nothing, so went to another terminal and rebooted
[20:34] <dan_> of course, it's now booting directly into openbox and I don't have the slightest clue how to get out of this environment
[20:35] <dan_> I'm gonna owe you a beer by the end of the day. :-)
[20:37] <bioterror> :D
[20:37] <bioterror> well
[20:37] <bioterror> you can run lxpanel on top of the Openbox
[20:37] <bioterror> seems like you're still missing lots of lubuntu settings
[20:40] <dan_> I agree.... missing a lot. I don't even have any chrome frames.... literally a blank screen with a mouse.
[20:40] <bioterror> you're missing Gtk2-themes and stuff like that
[20:41] <dan_> yup
[20:41] <bioterror> or decorations
[20:41] <bioterror> hard to say
[20:41] <dan_> so how can I get this to not auto login?
[20:42] <dan_> is there a command line answer?
[20:42] <szczur> dan_, try to install lxde-common first
[20:42] <szczur> and then reboot
[20:42] <szczur> and say if it changed anything
[20:42] <dan_> ok
[20:43] <szczur> hi bioterror
[20:43] <bioterror> hi sz
[20:43] <bioterror> nice to have some backups in here :D
[20:43] <szczur> :)
[20:44] <bioterror> I havent set-up lxde from scratch
[20:45] <dan_> done. still mouse only
[20:47] <szczur> does it show any error messages? anything?
[20:47] <dan_> no errors
[20:47] <bioterror> dan, do you have in .xinitrc "exec startlxde"
[20:49] <bioterror> found some documents saying it could be okay
[20:50] <dan_> I think I understood.  when I ran that command, it got back a message that "a window manager is already running on screen 0"
[20:51] <dan_> Look, I'm willing to pursue this in the interest of science, but I don't want this to be a time suck.
[20:51] <bioterror> hmm
[20:51] <dan_> I have nothing of importance on this machine yet
[20:51] <bioterror> can you say in terminal "sudo apt-get install lxde"
[20:52] <dan_> I can pull the cord at any time.
[20:53] <dan_> doing that now, bio
[20:54] <dan_> I assume I should reboot when finished, right?
[20:55] <bioterror> or logout and login
[20:56] <bioterror> if you installed alot of stuff
[20:57] <dan_> rebooted. same. mouse only.
[20:58] <dan_> Look, I don't think this is worth our collective time.
[20:58] <szczur> dan_, can you tell me the content of /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/desktop.conf
[20:58] <szczur> the window_manager line
[20:58] <szczur> just do cat /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/desktop.conf
[21:00] <bioterror> I think it's close to empty ;)
[21:00] <dan_> window_manager=openbox-lxde
[21:01] <szczur> and make sure that in /etc/lxdm/lxdm.conf file in "session" line, you have /usr/bin/startlxde entry (and it is uncommented)
[21:01] <szczur> hmm, same for me
[21:01] <dan_> note, this is the only line under [session[
[21:01] <dan_> [session]
[21:02] <szczur> yeah, i know
[21:03] <szczur> check the /etc/lxdm/lxdm.conf file. if it says /usr/bin/startlxde in session then i'm out of ideas
[21:04]  * szczur keeps finding himself on searching for filename autocompletion feature in IRC clients :P
[21:04] <bioterror> weechat can complete... ;)
[21:05] <dan_> all I have in the /etc/lxdm directory is a "default.conf" file
[21:05] <szczur> so check contents of this file
[21:07] <dan_> sz, not sure what I'm looking for in this file. it's another short one
[21:07] <szczur> there should be line looking like this > #session=/usr/bin/startlxde
[21:08] <szczur> uncomment it of course :)
[21:08] <dan_> the session line reads : "session=/usr/bin/startlubuntu"
[21:09] <szczur> change it to /usr/bin/startlxde (just testing something)
[21:09] <szczur> if it change anything in behaviour
[21:10] <szczur> i hope for it
[21:13] <szczur> bioterror, maybe i'll cast weechat someday :)
[21:13] <phil> Hello all. Just wondering if I'm the only one that has this kinda luck... 10.04... Awesome... 10.10...  A few pooey glitches every now and then....
[21:15] <dan_> sz, I think I'm gonna bail. Just not worth everyone's time.
[21:15] <dan_> thanks for the help bioterror
[21:16] <dan_> if you're ever in the MSP, I'll buy you that beer
[21:16] <dan_> later.
[21:16] <bioterror> haha
[21:17] <bioterror> we have lots of time ^__^
[21:17] <phil> <')))-<
[21:17] <bioterror> szczur, you should
[21:24] <bioterror> szczur, you can be my wingman anytime! ;D
[21:24] <szczur> ^^
[21:29] <dan_> I'm out.  thanks again szczur and bioterror. you rock!
[21:29] <bioterror> no problem
[21:29] <bioterror> dan_, if you get bored, play with morphos ;)
[21:29] <dan_> will do
[21:29] <bioterror> it should be FAAAST
[21:29] <bioterror> but remember, it's Amiga ;)
[21:29] <dan_> later
[23:22] <gnewb> Hello, got the Marvel card to work, but is pitifully poor, so I ordered a Star Tech/?
[23:22] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know?
[23:22] <MrChrisDruif> Anyways, I'm off....ttyl
[23:25] <gnewb> okee dokee
[23:29] <gnewb> Hello