[04:16] <j4m3s> i'm trying to set the priority of a process in my upstart script with nice and it doesn't appear to be taking
[04:26] <j4m3s> where does one typically put the 'nice <priority>' setting in an upstart script?
[14:50] <SpamapS> j4m3s: its a root level keyword, so just put it anywhere outside a script stanza.
[15:18] <MFen> i'm trying to set up an upstart job for bip
[15:18] <MFen> i've carefully studied http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#implications-of-misspecifying-expect and even did the test described here.. http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#how-to-establish-fork-count which demonstrated that bip forks twice (is a daemon)
[15:19] <SpamapS> MFen: ^5 for reading the cookbook. :)
[15:19] <MFen> so i'm using expect daemon. according to that chart, i shouldn't be getting a hang (even if i'm wrong), but i am
[15:19] <MFen> any double-secret troubleshooting tips available? :)
[15:20] <MFen> SpamapS: ltns :) ... i think we used to chat in #linux
[15:20] <MFen> loooong ago
[15:20] <SpamapS> or #linuxhelp
[15:20] <MFen> yeah
[15:21] <SpamapS> which I still lurk in, just in case somebody wants to reminisce ;)
[15:21] <SpamapS> MFen: do you have the output of your fork test handy?
[15:21] <MFen> no but i'll run it again
[15:21] <MFen> well, yeah. the output was "2" :)
[15:22] <SpamapS> I mean the strace.log
[15:22] <MFen> sure
[15:22] <SpamapS> the grep for fork/clone may be wrong
[15:22] <MFen> ok
[15:22] <SpamapS> Have seen at least one program that does clone that is actually doing threads
[15:23] <MFen> oh, heh. gotta log in to irc directly if i'm going to do this. brb
[15:23] <SpamapS> MFen: also, about 90% of daemons fork way too soon anyway, and so the 'expect fork|daemon' is actually not really accurate.. does bip have a "run without daemonizing" mode?
[15:23] <SpamapS> MFen: just use pastebinit ?
[15:23] <MFen> bip has a -n
[15:24] <MFen> i'll pastebin it, but bip is an irc multiplexer that i'm using right now
[15:24] <SpamapS> Oh hah ok
[15:24] <SpamapS> MFen: hang on tho
[15:24] <MFen> k
[15:24] <SpamapS> MFen: consider just using -n
[15:24] <MFen> tried that too (with no expect)
[15:24] <MFen> iirc what happens in that case is it hangs on stop
[15:24] <SpamapS> MFen: the only drawback to that over expect fork/daemon is that the job will be considered "started" as soon as it forks/execs bip
[15:24] <MFen> it was doing a weird thing where it would hang, but stop anyway
[15:25] <SpamapS> MFen: does it not respect SIGTERM ?
[15:25] <MFen> so i ^C then stop again and it says it's already stopped
[15:25] <MFen> it does when i run it straight from a command line
[15:25] <SpamapS> ^C is SIGINT , which is often handled differently than SIGTERM, which is what upstart sends before SIGKILL
[15:26] <MFen> oh i see. ok, i can find out what SIGTERM does
[15:26] <MFen> brb
[15:29] <mfen>  alll right
[15:30] <mfen> kill -15 works fine on bip -n
[15:31] <SpamapS> alright
[15:31] <SpamapS> mfen: then the only other thing to consider is that things that want to 'start on started bip' may not actually be able to contact bip's network port... so if you want to support that type of behavior, you have to add a post-start which polls bip until its actually available.
[15:32] <SpamapS> mfen: note that even sshd suffers from that race.. so don't feel like you have to add a post-start
[15:32] <SpamapS> mfen: also test SIGHUP
[15:32] <SpamapS> mfen: as that is what reload sends
[15:33] <mfen> the strace.log is 22k lines
[15:33] <SpamapS> mfen: pastebinit < strace.log ;)
[15:34] <mfen> did not know that
[15:35] <SpamapS> its a beautiful tool
[15:35] <SpamapS> wish we had it 10 years ago in #linuxhelp
[15:36] <mfen> kill -HUP has no effect
[15:37] <mfen> hmm. i got http://paste.ubuntu.com/ as the output of pastebinit
[15:37] <mfen> i'm guessing that was supposed to have a unique identifier in it
[15:37] <mfen> i'll just put it in dropbox
[15:38] <mfen> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19400544/goonmill.org/strace.log
[15:38] <mfen> bah, that can't be right
[15:39] <SpamapS> mfen: its possible the pastebin didn't like 22k lines ;)
[15:39] <mfen> yeah
[15:40] <mfen> dropbox doesn't either afaict
[15:40] <SpamapS> 21730 clone(child_stack=0, flags=CLONE_CHILD_CLEARTID|CLONE_CHILD_SETTID|SIGCHLD, child_tidptr=0xf72f2968) = 21731
[15:40] <SpamapS> Thats a thread
[15:40] <mfen> ok
[15:40] <mfen> so is this actually a fork?
[15:40] <SpamapS> Probably need to update the cookbook
[15:40] <SpamapS> mfen: no
[15:41] <mfen> the thing is, i've tried all three
[15:41] <SpamapS> well it might be
[15:41] <SpamapS> I have never understood how clone turns into fork
[15:41] <SpamapS> it does.. sometimes.. but ... whenever I see it.. expect doesn't work. I think ptrace gets confused
[15:42] <SpamapS> mfen: you're better off with -n
[15:42] <mfen> all right, here's the whole bip.conf now:
[15:42] <mfen> setuid cdodt
[15:42] <mfen> chdir /home/cdodt
[15:42] <mfen> exec bip -n
[15:43] <mfen> that hangs when i start
[15:46] <mfen> even simpler version. just this: exec sudo -u cdodt -i bip -n ... also hangs when i start
[16:00] <mfen> i tried strace -fF -p 1 ...... i'm seeing read(3, ...)  = -1 EAGAIN
[16:00] <mfen> lots of those repeated
[16:01] <mfen> that's when i try to start bip
[16:18] <mfen> custom upstart jobs seem to work fine, e.g. "exec sleep 10000" works as i expect it to work
[16:18] <mfen> this is a virtual server, i've seen some suggestions that virtual servers have issues, but nothing else is having an issue but bip
[16:18] <mfen> i'm going to try wrapping it in a script, perhaps that script will behave better
[16:21] <mfen> all right, here's a possible clue.. every time i run bip status, it gives me the status for process 4667
[16:21] <mfen> i think it started with that pid at some point when i was working on this yesterday
[16:21] <mfen> in all the attempts since then, status bip hasn't looked at a different pid
[16:21] <mfen> i'm rebooting to see if i can clear it
[16:24] <mfen> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it works now
[16:25] <mfen> ok so here's what i think happened: i started bip with no expect yesterday. it did its thready-fork thing, and upstart lost track of it, but remembered the pid of 4667
[16:25] <mfen> after that point, upstart was trying to operate on that pid and getting confused
[16:25] <mfen> this looks like a bug in upstart to me.. i don't see any way to truly clear the status of a job
[16:28] <MFen> so there ya go.
[17:18] <SpamapS> MFen: thats a well known, very old bug
[17:18] <SpamapS> :(
[17:19] <SpamapS> MFen: if you get expect wrong, you get a mis-remembered pid
[17:19] <SpamapS> MFen: and as yet, there's no way to tell upstart to forget said pid
[22:21]  * jMCg subscribes to upstart-devel@


[00:00] <CharlesA> I just compared the module created with dkms and one from using just "make install" with modinfo and they look exactly the same
[00:02] <Bachstelze> and the one with make install works fine, I presume?
[00:04] <CharlesA> Yeah
[00:04] <CharlesA> I just hooked up the production drive back up and booted it up to compare and they look exactly the same
[00:05] <CharlesA> The only difference is the filename.
[00:06] <CharlesA> well the filename in that the path is different: Prod: filename:       /lib/modules/2.6.32-30-server/kernel/drivers/scsi/rr26xx/rr26xx.ko
[00:06] <CharlesA>     test is: filename:       /lib/modules/2.6.32-26-server/updates/dkms/rr26xx.ko
[00:18] <CharlesA> Bachstelze: The rabbit hole gets deeper - dmesg returned this from the one that doesn't work: rr26xx: disagrees about version of symbol module_layout
[00:43] <CharlesA> Bachstelze: I found the problem - it was using the current kernel to compile the module, not the new one
[00:43] <CharlesA> *headdesk*
[00:43] <Bachstelze> :)
[00:44] <CharlesA> Now I get to figure out how to tell it to use the new kernel
[00:44] <CharlesA> when I'm booted into the current one
[01:49] <mcurran> anyone wanna help me bride a couple interfaces and then share an internet connection?
[01:53] <theamazingbeat> could someone please take a look at my forum thread :) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1710337
[01:53] <Bachstelze> mcurran: what's the problem?
[01:53] <theamazingbeat> hasnt gotten any attention
[01:54] <mcurran> I wanna bridge wlan0 (ap connected) to eth0 and then connect eth0 on PC1 to eth0 PC2 for use with a single master node cluster
[01:55] <mcurran> I haven't successfully bridged wlan0 to eth0 and have it share the connection yet, so far I tried brctl and then dhcp-server for assigning PC2 an ip, but not working
[01:56] <Bachstelze> you need to do some iptables magic to forward the packets
[01:56] <mcurran> you think it would be worth it for parallel processing in a cluster?
[01:56] <Bachstelze> mcurran: google "gentoo home router guide", that's what I use, only minor adjustments are needed to make it work on Ubuntu
[01:57] <Bachstelze> only you can answer that questin, it depends on the kind of work you're doing
[01:57] <Bachstelze> and how well it can parallelise
[01:58] <Bachstelze> theamazingbeat: can't help you with SAMBA, sorry
[01:58] <mcurran> cool, also, thanks, I've been looking for that site for a long time for custom firmware for my router as well.
[01:58] <mcurran> yeah, I have no clue about samba either, other than connecting to remote machines
[01:59] <theamazingbeat> well i have a gigabit network so how can i at fastest speed possible transfer files from my windows machine to my ubuntu
[02:01] <Bachstelze> "fastest speed possible" is a bit ambitious I think
[02:01] <Bachstelze> I don't think your equipment is capable of that :)
[02:01] <Bachstelze> bust SFTP shoult be good enough
[02:02] <theamazingbeat> fastest speed possible for gigabit network : 1GB/ps
[02:02] <theamazingbeat> thats what i heard
[02:02] <Bachstelze> sorry to disappoint, but you're not going to really get 1 Gbps
[02:02] <theamazingbeat> ya but i can get close to it
[02:03] <Bachstelze> exactly how close depends on a lot of things abot your setup
[02:03] <Bachstelze> only way to know what you can get is to try ;)
[02:04] <theamazingbeat> well i have cat 6 cables, gigabit router, gigabit NIC's, what else?
[02:05] <theamazingbeat> do u have gigabit network?
[02:08] <Bachstelze> yes
[02:10] <theamazingbeat> whats ur average speed
[02:12] <Bachstelze> no idea
[02:12] <Bachstelze> I don't move big files often
[02:12] <theamazingbeat> but when u do....
[02:13] <Bachstelze> by "not often" I mean never
[02:13] <Bachstelze> or at least not often enough to pay attention to speeds
[02:14] <theamazingbeat> ah
[02:14] <theamazingbeat> but u use sftp
[02:14] <Bachstelze> generally yes
[02:14] <Bachstelze> but for small files
[17:36] <s-fox> =)
[18:46] <sumedh> Hey!
[18:46] <sumedh> Can ne1 help me?
[22:49] <aztek> hello all...
[22:49] <aztek> any body wanna help me..
[22:50] <FTMichael> !ask
[22:50] <ubot4`> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[22:51] <aztek> i have problem in installing canon ip1300


[00:59] <cc> morning!
[02:13] <rhalff> I want to buy an ubuntu phone, does it make sense to buy the Meizu pro 5, or should I just wait until a new model comes out.
[02:15] <rhalff> The price seems very reasonable: http://meizusale.com/meizu-pro-5/meizu-pro-5-32gb-silver-black
[02:16] <rhalff> Any other companies which are as active as them? https://github.com/meizuosc?tab=repositories
[11:05] <albuntu> anyone?
[14:18] <horuxan> hi all
[14:19] <horuxan> one people have idea to manifest.xml
[14:19] <horuxan> to motorola titan
[14:19] <horuxan> in https://github.com/titan-aosp/android_device_motorola_titan
[14:19] <horuxan> how to repo init ?
[14:19] <horuxan> thanks
[15:25] <p4rot> hi guys i would like to know if there is still some ubuntu touch build made for Nexus 5?
[15:34] <dobey> p4rot: ubports.com has it
[18:58] <horuxan> dobey,
[18:58] <horuxan> hi
[18:58] <horuxan> good afterning
[18:58] <horuxan> man, im fastboot flash boot boot.img
[18:58] <horuxan> and rootstoock-ng ......
[18:58] <horuxan> on reboot, its done all
[18:59] <horuxan> enter in bootloader
[18:59] <horuxan> have idea to fix ?
[18:59] <horuxan> boot.img from kitkat ?
[18:59] <horuxan> fix it ?
[18:59] <horuxan> thanks
[19:00] <dobey> i don't know, no
[23:40] <d4Rk_r4nG3r> i was hoping someone could help me with an issue i'm having with my ubuntu touch device


[09:01] <HecticZA> Godd day :)
[09:01] <HecticZA> *Good
[11:12] <HecticZA> Hi
[11:12] <HecticZA> I installed Edubuntu 13.04 on a Fujitsu Siemiens Amilo L series laptop.
[11:13] <HecticZA> The screen display is now split into 4 blocks
[11:13] <HecticZA> A pic at the following link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6rbgx40ekwg5aay/2013-09-28%2012.15.31.jpg
[11:13] <HecticZA> Any advise for me please?


[00:04] <Funmungus> hi jarlath, I think I can
[00:05] <Funmungus> first what are you trying to do? shell into the device from a pc?
[08:10] <ShR3K> Hi ! I modified files and configuration property in my aquaris M10 . I'd like to backup it to be able to retrieve this configuration later. I use MTK Flash tool to flash my tablet to original firmware and may be there is a solution to do my backup with the same solution.
[09:47] <TenLeftfingers> Trying to reflash stable channel to my phone to progress bug #1377996 but phablet-shell is failing with this ( http://paste.ubuntu.com/16514316/ ) error. Can anyone direct me? I've been following these directions: http://askubuntu.com/questions/645652/how-to-flash-meizu-mx4-ubuntu-edition-with-another-channel
[10:08] <TenLeftfingers> Think I have it working using the 'ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel' command from the desktop instead.
[10:50] <Mirv> anyone else gotten their Meizu Pro 5 yet? I'm loving it!
[11:01] <davmor2> Mirv: It is nice :)
[11:12] <Mirv> and thanks popey & co for buds :) saved some trouble in migrating from Bq. I'm now fully Pro 5 user and I can devote my Bq for development purposes
[11:22] <ogra_> DHL !!!
[11:27] <ogra_> bah
[11:28] <ogra_> my SIM is to big
[12:06] <jlkon13> Hi, does anybody know how I can sync the phablet-5 tree? I need specific features which are only available in that version … (md
[12:06] <jlkon13> my device is quite exotic …
[12:27] <mcphail> ogra_: scissors are fine
[12:27] <ogra_> mcphail, well, i didnt have much fear going from SIM to nanoSIM ... but from nano to micro i need to cut contacts
[12:28] <mcphail> ogra_: it is easy. Just use a template
[12:28] <ogra_> yeah, i guess i will
[12:28] <mcphail> ogra_: I cut down my son's sim. Was jagged, but it worked OK
[12:29] <mardy_> Mirv: did you also buy a SIM cutter? If so, which one?
[12:42] <Mirv> mardy_: my primary SIM was a new one which is "3-in-1" ie I could just snap out the nano out of the micro cover. the other SIM is microsim, I'm not sure if I should buy a nano cutter or fetch a new SIM from operator.
[12:42] <Mirv> so I've the other (more rarely used) SIM still in the other phone
[12:57] <davmor2> ogra_: just go to your local provider store and ask for a micro sim
[12:57] <ogra_> you mean like ... leaving the house  ??
[12:58] <svij> ogra_: get your erle drone and fly!
[12:58] <svij> :)
[12:58] <Mirv> davmor2: nano, not micro :)
[12:58] <ogra_> svij, now thats a good idea !
[12:59] <Mirv> oh, you're not talking about turbo
[12:59] <Mirv> my newest SIM was indeed regular+micro+nano all in one
[12:59]  * ogra_ is talking about turbo :)
[13:00] <davmor2> Mirv: meh you knew what I meant don't make me come over there and slap you with feathers till you laugh uncontrollably
[13:04] <ogra_> wow, the speaker is impressive
[13:09] <davmor2> ogra_: you mean deafening right?
[13:09] <davmor2> ogra_: play with the camera you want to see impressive ;)
[13:09] <ogra_> no, i mean good sound at every volume
[13:10] <ogra_> it isnt squeaking like usual phone speakers when playing music
[13:10] <ogra_> i did already ... the camera is unbelivable fast
[13:11] <ogra_> the display is sadly way to saturated ... red and orange colours really hurt
[13:11] <davmor2> don't live in a red and orange house then :P
[13:12] <ogra_> well, i just opened design.canonical.com ... the header makes me look for my sunglasses
[13:20] <Mirv> ogra_: congrats on your DHL :)
[13:21] <davmor2> ogra_: just turn the brightness down :P
[13:21] <ogra_> yeah, i still didnt have the balls to cripple my SIM yet :) though 90% of the things i do work fine via wlan
[13:21] <ogra_> davmor2, i'm at ~10%
[13:21] <ogra_> not much wiggle room anymore
[13:21] <davmor2> ogra_: put your shades on and stop whining
[13:22] <ogra_> heh ...
[13:22] <ogra_> does anyone know if aethercast will work with airtame ?
[13:22]  * ogra_ has one around ... never used it
[13:23] <ogra_> anpok, ^^?
[13:27] <ahayzen> Hi, has anyone had issues with the telegram app where it turns the delegate grey when selecting a person from the list, and either doesn't open that chat or takes *ages*
[13:37] <_crs> is it normal, that the meizu 5 pro is more pink than golden ?
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> hi genii join discuss also :p
[13:49] <genii> What, why?
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> genii: we are all there :p
[13:54] <genii> lotuspsychje: My hanging-out channels are #ubuntu-offtopic, #kubuntu-offtopic, #xubuntu-offtopic, #lubuntu-offtopic, ##social, and ##coffeeclub ...I don't need to be in yet another one :D
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> kk was just an invite :p
[13:57] <anpok> ogra_: no idea?
[13:58] <ogra_> ah, sad, i thought the Mir team knows :)
[14:09] <_crs> How can I switch my pro5 to channel rc-proposed? It fails with 'Failed to enter Recovery'
[14:21] <dobey> _crs: if you're using ubuntu-device-flash then you need to pass the appropriate recovery.img with --recovery-image
[14:22] <dobey> _crs: but you can install the Terminal app or do it over adb with: system-image-cli -vvvv --switch ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en
[14:27] <_crs> dobey: I saw, that it seemed to switch the channel, despite the error
[14:27] <_crs> dobey: it now says 'Ubuntu 15.04 (r83)' in the settings
[14:28] <_crs> dobey: was this channel switch now incomplete? because i didn't pass any --recovery-image
[14:29] <_crs> dobey: what i did was: ' ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en'
[14:29] <dobey> yes, you have to use the correct recovery.img from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Working_with_ubuntu-device-flash
[14:31] <dobey> i think now you might have to do it again from the bootloader and use --bootstrap as well, wiping all data on the device
[14:32] <_crs> okay, thats the next problem. How can i enter the bootloader? When i do 'adb reboot bootloader' it reboots to a white meizu screen and i can't see the device in lsusb
[14:38] <dobey> i don't know
[15:02] <_crs> dobey: Okey i got in fastboot mode via voldown+power. When i try to flash now it says 'Device smdk not found on server' ....
[15:02] <_crs> dobey: shouldn't the device name be 'turbo' ?
[15:03] <dobey> _crs: it should be turbo indeed. just pass --device turbo i guess
[15:15] <kaisoz> Hi!
[15:18] <kaisoz> One question... If I get a Bq Aquaris e5 HD with Android, and then install ubuntu touch.. would it be different than the Ubuntu edition?
[15:21] <dobey> kaisoz: you need to get special tools from bq to repartition the device, if you want to flash ubuntu onto the android version
[15:21] <dobey> or nevermind
[15:21] <_crs> dobey: the error now is "Cache formatting was not successful, flashing may fail, check your partitions on device"
[15:21] <_crs> dobey: 'Can't boot recovery image'
[15:21] <_crs> dobey: do i have to root the device before?
[15:21] <kaisoz> The thing is that a friend of mine is giving me this phone and I would like to try ubuntu
[15:22] <dobey> _crs: is the bootloader locked?
[15:22] <dobey> kaisoz: you need to get special tools from bq to repartition the device, if you want to flash ubuntu onto the android version
[15:22] <_crs> not, the text i am seeing ot the phone screen right now is: "=> Fastboot mode (unlocked, unrooted)'
[15:22] <dobey> _crs: sorry, i don't have a pro 5 myself. if bootloader is unlocked and you use the correct turbo recovery.img, it should work
[15:23] <kaisoz> Ok then, but after the process it would be like the Ubuntu edition right?
[15:24] <dobey> kaisoz: well, except you'll have the android phone, which has slightly different case and glass i think
[15:24] <kaisoz> Just would like to have an officially supported phone (well, kind of hehe)
[15:24] <dobey> because ubuntu doesn't have a home button feature
[15:24] <kaisoz> Ahh oka
[15:24] <dobey> but otherwise, yes, the software would be the same, if using the same retail channel
[15:24] <kaisoz> I was just thinking about buying the phone, but then this appeared
[15:25] <kaisoz> Great, many thanks :)
[15:25] <brunch875> So where to get those speshul tools to repartition? Are they ubuntu compatible?
[15:28] <dobey> from bq
[15:39] <ogra_> hmm, something isnt right with the wlan on my pro5 :/
[15:40] <_crs> ogra_: it works for me. What is your problem?
[15:40] <ogra_> trying to scp several GB of data from my MX4
[15:40] <ogra_> dies half way through (after like 20min )
[15:41] <ogra_> (i dont want to use the cable since the battery has not had its first full discharge since unpacking ... and thats essential to get good battery life)
[15:43] <_crs> ogra_: i didn't think about that... I will try to download something big
[15:44] <_crs> ogra_: are you planing to change the channel on your pro5 ?
[15:44] <ogra_> nope
[15:44] <ogra_> i plan to stay on stable with this one
[15:45] <_crs> ogra_: do you know someone who has/will change?
[15:45] <ogra_> i think Mirv tried rc-proposed for a moment and switched back
[15:46] <davmor2> ogra_: transfer it on a loop one package at a time then it is just short bursts :)
[15:46] <ogra_> lol
[15:46] <ogra_> and takes three weeks
[15:47] <ogra_> funnily the wlan itself seems fine ... its just the ssh connection that doesnt seem to behave
[15:47] <ogra_> or it might be nautilus :)
[15:47] <mcphail> ogra_: I found that my bq kept getting a new dhcp lease after a few minutes, breaking ssh connection
[15:48] <mcphail> ogra_: check if the ip address is changing
[15:48] <ogra_> nope, IP stays ... was indeed the first thing i checked
[15:48] <ogra_> my MX is jumpy as hell ... the bq hasnt changed IP since i have it
[15:50] <ogra_> i actually think it is nautilus or gvfs' sftp backend thats acting up here
[16:07] <popey> Mirv: ooh! buds had its first useful customer! :D
[16:32] <tedg> Is there an amd64 build of the music app?
[16:32] <ahayzen> tedg, the music-app is pure QML
[16:33] <tedg> ahayzen: Ah, cool.
[16:34] <Mirv> ogra_: no I upgrade to latest rc-proposed and modified channel.ini back to stable but I'm still on that rc-proposed image. ie I'll wait for the real OTA next (and won't run any special stuff otherwise on my daily phone)
[16:34] <ogra_> oooh ... hackish :)
[16:34] <davmor2> ogra_: it's a phone not a trampoline maybe that is your issue right there :P
[16:38] <tedg> Music app really should be in "essentials"
[16:38] <tedg> I didn't really think about searching for it :-)
[17:40] <ogra_> mzanetti, *sniff* authenticator doesnt want to focus for me on turbo
[17:41] <ogra_> (funnily tagger works fine)
[17:43] <jibel> ogra_, it is not specific to turbo, it doesn't focus on arale either
[17:44] <ogra_> ah ... was a while ago that i set the MX4 up
[17:46] <davmor2> ogra_: it just hates you, hate it back it works for me ;)  and daft as it sounds try holding you phone at angle to the screen rather than straight on
[17:47] <ogra_> tried all that ... it never focuses
[17:48] <ogra_> i just punched the data manually in ... works too :)
[17:48] <davmor2> hold it 30metres away from the screen in a dark room then a light room then a dark room while hopping on one leg and video it so we can all have a laugh ;)
[18:39] <mariogrip> popey: mhall119 kubuntu party going on now :D http://kubuntu.blindsidenetworks.net/kubuntu/
[18:39] <dobey> mariogrip: !
[18:42] <mzanetti> ogra_, davmor2: lol.. sorry for that... does tagger scan it properly?
[18:42] <mzanetti> so far authenticator scanned successfully each time I set up an account
[18:42] <dobey> mariogrip: did you get a chance to push that kernel update for hammerhead? battery still pretty much sucks here :)
[18:43] <mariogrip> dobey: yeah! are they not better?
[18:44] <dobey> mariogrip: nope. usally have to charge my phone twice daily :-/
[19:00] <mariogrip> dobey: humm, I don't have an sim card in mine, let me test with sim/cell for a while
[19:00] <mariogrip> if that
[19:00] <mariogrip> 's the problem
[19:01] <dobey> ok
[19:45] <sebsebseb> hi
[20:10] <kristofer> hello!
[20:11] <kristofer> I have a nexus 7 (deb) and I want to put ubuntu on it, but I don't have an ubuntu machine.. are there alternative installation instructions that don't involve the ubuntu-device-flash script?
[20:12] <dobey> kristofer: run ubuntu in a vm, or in a chroot if you're on a different linux.
[20:13] <kristofer> fair enough. :) thanks dobey
[20:13] <dobey> or an lxc container (or some other similar option)
[20:15] <ogra_> mzanetti, yeah, tagger seems to focus fine authenticator stays constantly unfocused
[20:38] <mzanetti> ogra_, thanks for the report. update your device
[21:11] <Shah_> Hi everybody
[21:13] <Shah_> Hi
[21:13] <Shah_> Is it possible to use irssi on Utouch please ?
[21:14] <popey> you could
[21:15] <popey> but it would get suspended by app lifecycle
[21:15] <Shah_> Mh, it's mean no update after this ?
[21:20] <brunch875> is there any discussion open about app lifecycle?
[21:20] <brunch875> in the future...
[21:24] <mcphail> brunch875: don't think anything in changing anytime soon
[21:25] <brunch875> sadface :C
[21:25] <brunch875> I'd love to be able to do a gesture in task switcher so it becomes 'active mode'
[21:26] <mcphail> indeed. Sounds like the priorities are xenial/systemd then snappy then more frameworks. I haven't heard anyone talking about opening the lifecycle management
[21:29] <brunch875> Ah yes, of course. The convergence :]
[21:29] <brunch875> I'm sure this will be solved naturally when the convergence reaches us
[21:30] <popey> mcphail: i see one of the bugs has had some attention in terms of priority
[21:31] <mcphail> popey: which one?
[21:31] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1532221
[21:31] <mcphail> "Critical" is very good to hear
[21:33] <mcphail> After the comment on bug 1521292 it seemed that everything was waiting for snappy
[21:34] <mcphail> It will be great to get some more frameworks, particularly if we get an API which doesn't require Qt
[21:34]  * mcphail feels happier
[21:36] <Yoanncooljazz> I think meteor + cordova can be a good combination
[21:38] <Yoanncooljazz> Miracast will be on ota 11?
[22:06] <lolek> hello everybody
[22:06] <lolek> I'd like to ask when there's planned release of ubuntu touch with full encryption support and some security functionalities?
[22:33] <sebsebseb> lolek: uhmm
[22:33] <sebsebseb> lolek: what kind of security functioanliites?
[22:35] <lolek> 1st as I already mentioned, full phone encryption
[22:35] <lolek> 2nd when encryption is turned on it shouldn't be possible to access any data in the phone using usb without entering pin code or something
[22:36] <lolek> 3rd there should be better lock screen implementation as the current one is not enough from that point of view
[22:38] <sebsebseb> lolek: I don't tink those things will come soon, because its a development platform currently really, and there are other things that should be worked on first
[22:38] <sebsebseb> lolek: for most people a pin is ok
[22:38] <sebsebseb> lolek: I remember a year or so a go when the default browser didn't even have an option to clear the history
[22:40] <sebsebseb> lolek: I think convergence getting that more sorted out, and some of the xmir  stuff is probably a priorty now
[22:40] <sebsebseb> oh and OTA 11 should come out soon
[22:46] <lolek> well that's not good
[22:46] <lolek> I'm looking currently for some alternative and at least for me there's no go for now
[22:46] <lolek> :(
[22:47] <lolek> hoped that ubuntu touch will be my choice but if there's nothing like that then it's also not an option for me
[22:48] <sebsebseb> lolek: there may be, or soonish, I am not a dev
[22:49] <sebsebseb> lolek: there are some security options and quite like Android I guess
[22:49] <sebsebseb> lolek: also when it comes to privacy the Ubuntu store apps would be better since they don't want loads of permisisons unlike say Android
[22:50] <sebsebseb> lolek: however I have a feeling that the security options are quite basic currently in Ubuntu touch
[22:51] <lolek> well android is not for me becuase of it's laggines
[22:51] <lolek> even the high end phones has problems with phonebooks that's about 1k of contacts and way more of sms
[22:54] <lolek> the situation for now is that pin is not enough. It's not XX where ppls had in teir phones only last 20 sms and some call history. Now they have their private photos, mails etc so I'm really surprised that it's not a p1
[23:04] <JanC> well, a secure phone without any software would be useless too  :)
[23:06] <lolek> JanC: it depends what you need. The basics are browser, mail client, maybe some im software everything else can go later
[23:07] <JanC> well, even the calendar still needs work, IM too, browser is still very basic, etc.
[23:07] <JanC> for mail there is an app but not an official one
[23:09] <JanC> I suppose/hope encryption will follow after that
[23:10] <lolek> well then, I hope that it will be before my current phone will not be able to handle my daily tasks :)
[23:10] <lolek> anyway time for me, see ya ;)


[14:21] <RikMills> This is now in the proposed pocket: https://kde.org/announcements/plasma/5/20.90/
[14:52] <wonko> Guess I'll be learning to like plasma (or more likely installing xfce) on my next machine. 🤣
[15:11] <MauroGaspari[m]> <wonko "Guess I'll be learning to like p"> you can always install any Ubuntu flavor and then apply the studio tools. Ubuntu Studio team is great!
[15:53] <wonko> Eh, I'll install US 21.04 and give plasma an honest try and then install xfce when I don't like it. :)


[12:34] <ogra> hi susus
[12:35] <susus> hi
[12:35] <ogra> :)
[12:42] <crimsun> jordi: hi, I don't know offhand if Jani asked upstream
[12:48] <hub> hi
[12:49] <hub> I just installed kubuntu flight 3, and I have a huge issue
[12:49] <ryanpg> funny topic, save a copy for infinity :P
[12:50] <hub> the uname does not match the kernel-image package
[12:50] <hub> and that mess up as I don't have the right drivers
[12:50] <hub> any idea how to debug that?
[01:04] <hub> no biggie, I configured the network by hand loading the right kernel module (hard to guess)
[01:04] <hub> and I apt-get upgrade
[01:55] <jordi> crimsun: I mailed him, I'll find out.
[05:29] <Bicchi> i need to write an application that looks just like the "update manager." A bubble should popup showing that an action needs to take place. can anyone point me in the right direction to do this.
[05:49] <Burgundavia> Bicchi, update manager uses the notification-daemon for its notifications
[05:50] <floam> Bicchi: anything can do those, even you (go to a terminal and type notify-send Bicchi "Is a very silly man"
[05:59] <Bicchi> floam: notify-send doesn't do anything
[06:07] <floam> is xchat-gnome's spell checking broken everywhere?
[06:08] <Bicchi> floam: notify-send doesn't do anything. how can i display stuff in the notification area. sorry to bother you. :)
[06:11] <floam> the notification daemon is what that uses, on dapper
[06:11] <Bicchi> yeah but you said to type on the console: notify-send message here
[06:12] <Bicchi> and it doesn't do anything, i am thinking maybe the name is wrong
[06:13] <floam> Bicchi: if nothing happens something is probably messed up
[06:15] <Bicchi> its weird because i do get those notifications. it must be done some other way. i even get the bubble to popup and allows me click update and everything.
[09:06] <Den> Anyone here?
[09:06] <HiddenWolf> never
[09:08] <Den> HiddenWolf: Say, can you give me some info regarding what I should do about a bug, about perhaps requesting that the latest kernel be put into Breezy & released as an  update?
[09:08] <HiddenWolf> newest kernel is not going to happen.
[09:08] <HiddenWolf> hotplug to udev conversion etc.
[09:08] <Den> I had a bug with external HD offlining, BenC told me to check out latest kernel
[09:09] <HiddenWolf> bugs should be filed in malone launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/bugs
[09:09] <Den> Mithrandir got me a cd with Dapper, the bug is gone.
[09:09] <HiddenWolf> Den: kernel can not be put back into breezy without breaking the world.
[09:10] <HiddenWolf> Den: I guess you'll have to use dapper. Which is pretty stable already.
[09:10] <Den> So, anyone here who could put the newest kernel into dapper?
[09:10] <HiddenWolf> Den: if it's on BenC's tree, it'll be in shortly, :)
[09:10] <Den> Er, dapper has mouse & display brightnes problems
[09:10] <Den> HiddenWolf: What do you mean?  How do I know if it's in BC's tree?
[09:11] <Kamion> if BenC told you to check it out, it's in his tree
[09:11] <Kamion> he's the Ubuntu kernel maintainer
[09:12] <Den> HiddenWolf: Ok, so why do you say it'll be in shortly, when earlier you said newest kernel isn't gonna happen?
[09:12] <HiddenWolf> Den: kernel will not be updated for Breezy, but it's still under development for Dapper.
[09:12] <Kamion> it'll be into *dapper* shortly. 2.6.15 kernels in *breezy* are not going to happen.
[09:13] <HiddenWolf> Kamion: hah, beat you to the punch. :)
[09:14] <Den> Well, if it's the _kernel_ that fixed the bug, and the kernel won't be updated in Brez, then Brez is being left with a bad bug, & that seems bad.
[09:14] <Kamion> Perhaps the fix can be backported (ask Ben about that), but we can't just drop the newest kernel in verbatim.
[09:14] <Mithrandir> most people don't have firewire devices, so doesn't affect most people.
[09:15] <Den> Don't the developers want to get bad bugs out of a system that will not be supersceded or at least 3 months?
[09:15] <Kamion> Please read what I said.
[09:15] <Den> Mithrandir: Hi!  Hey - your cd worked, and solved the bug about offlined devices.
[09:15] <Mithrandir> coolie
[09:16] <Mithrandir> Den: that depends on how risky fixing the bug is.  Better with one bug we know about than a random number we don't.
[09:18] <Den> Mithrandir: Ok, I didn't realize you were on here.  So, if you read my statements above, you know the situation.  So, I'll report back to the bug & BenC the result.  So, I'm wondering what, if anything, I should ask BenC to do (as a way of summarizing the situation to him).
[09:19] <Den> Mithrandir: It doesn't seem good to leave the bug there, so should I suggest he see if he can backport the fix, since I'm told here it's too much difficulty to backport the kernel?
[09:19] <Kamion> let him worry about what to do ...
[09:19] <Kamion> you don't go to a doctor and tell him what to prescribe. :-)
[09:19] <Den> Kamion: :)
[09:20] <Mithrandir> Den: just give him the information and he'll decide.  He's the one who knows the kernel best and is in the best position to decide.
[09:20] <Mithrandir> Kamion: my girlfriend does that. ;-)
[09:20] <Kamion> and be prepared for the possibility that he'll say that it's too much work to backport it to breezy given the severity of the bug
[09:21] <Den> Is BenC often active on this channel?  I've never once seen a post by him.  I'm wondering so as to know if I shoujld email him, or try to catch him here & chat with him about what to do.  When is he usually online?
[09:22] <Mithrandir> he live in the US
[09:22] <Den> Mithrandir: So do I.
[09:22] <Kamion> e-mail, or comment on the bug
[09:22] <Mithrandir> sure that should work
[09:22] <Den> When is BenC usually active on this channel?
[09:22] <Kamion> he's normally here during US working hours
[09:23] <Den> Kamion: thx
[09:23] <Kamion> but fairly quiet
[09:24] <Den> Ok, anyone.  So, Dapper has mouse & display brightness problems that Breezy doesn't.  What am I supposed to do about reporting that.  Are those know issues?
[09:24] <HiddenWolf> Den: check launchpad, and if there isn't a bug open, please file one.
[09:28] <Den> Anyone - A week or so I checked the bug track system, after it had moved from ?Bugzilla to ?Launchpad, and it seemed that the bug # for the bug I'd submitted on Bugzilla was now for a different bug, and also when I searched using words for the bug I'd submitted, it didn't come up.  Were bugs supposedly brought across using the sme bug #'s?
[09:30] <HiddenWolf> ubuntu.com is down.
[09:45] <Den> Should a bug from ubuntu bugzilla have been transfered into Launchpad?  Bugzilla says "not for changing bugs, logins disabled".  Should I file a bug that my bug wasnt' transfered?  Or, start a new bug entry for the same bug? Or???
[09:47] <HiddenWolf> Den: it should've been transferred, but ask on #launchpad for the specifics
[09:50] <Den> HiddenWolf: thx
[10:05] <zyga> is ubuntu.com down or is it just my network?
[10:06] <Burgundavia> zyga, nah, is down for me as well
[10:06] <mdke> morning all
[10:07] <lsuactiafner> ubuntu needs mkvtoolnix to better support Matroska video files, its open source but yet ubuntu doesnt promote such formats that wouldnt give a patent headache in the long-term?
[10:08] <Burgundavia> lsuactiafner, is matroska patent-encumbered?
[10:09] <lsuactiafner> nope, not as far as i can tell
[10:09] <lsuactiafner> http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/
[10:09] <lsuactiafner> http://www.matroska.org/
[10:10] <lsuactiafner> i cant manage to install it from source, i tried to install its dependancies manually but they didnt want to work either, seems a large piece of ubuntu is outdated which also needs attention
[10:12] <lsuactiafner> look @ this goal:      * Establish Matroska as the opensource alternative to existing containers such as AVI, ASF, MOV, RM, MP4, MPG
[10:13] <lsuactiafner> and media developers already think Matroska is the best container for media
[10:13] <lsuactiafner> if its adopted rather than avi thats one less hassle for open-source developers
[10:45] <Kamion> Den: there's a link from the Bugzilla page for the old bug number to the new Launchpad bug. Try there.
[10:46] <Kamion> Yes, bug numbers have changed.
[10:46] <Den> Kamion: yes, I was told about it.  But, it seems launchpad itself has a bug in its search function.
[10:47] <Kamion> You don't need to use the search function. What's the old bug number?
[10:47] <Den> Kamion: see my comment in #launchpad - last comment to mdke
[10:47] <Kamion> OK, it looks like you've already found the bug so there's no longer a problem
[10:47] <Den> Kamion: Bugzilla Bug 21565
[10:47] <Ubugtu> malone bug 21565 in wireless-tools "ERROR: invalid MAC Address at line 2, this is dangerous" [Minor,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/21565
[10:48] <Den> Kamion: well, there's no problem now as far as my bug being in the launchpad system, buth there is a problem with launchpad search of text words in the bug topic failing to find the correct search resuldts.
[10:48] <Kamion> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21565 has a link saying "View this bug in Launchpad".
[10:48] <Ubugtu> ubuntu bug 21565 in linux "external hard disk disconnects (firewire ieee1394 over SCSI) during file copy 'Read-only file system' 'Device offlined'" [Normal,Needinfo]
[10:49] <Kamion> right, but that's #launchpad's problem and not ours. :-)
[10:49] <Den> Kamion: yes, but I'm a seldom user of bugzilla, & didn't know to look for that,
[10:50] <Kamion> it's on the bug page for your bug *shrug*
[10:50] <Den> Kamion: I _did_ look on launchpad, & launchpad failed - so I'm letting you know about this launchpad bug,cause I'm too tired & busy to do anything abou t it
[10:50] <Den> Kamion: Anyway - thanks for your help.! :)
[10:59] <netdur> on livecd, how do I do pre-select screen resolution? (livecd customization)
[11:00] <Mithrandir> in dapper or breezy?
[11:00] <netdur> hoary
[11:01] <netdur> I guess... must be the same as breezy
[11:02] <Mithrandir> yes, it is.
[11:02] <Mithrandir> you could possibly preseed it, I'd think.
[11:03] <netdur> hmm? what file to edit?
[11:05] <netdur> I don't what "preseed" mean!!!
[11:06] <Mithrandir> no need to use multiple exclamation marks
[11:06] <Mithrandir> you have read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo ?
[11:06] <Mithrandir> search for "preseed" on that page
[11:08] <netdur> I use it to pre-select lang and keymap, I did not know I could use it to pre-select screen secolution
[11:10] <netdur> Mithrandir, sorry
[11:15] <netdur> Mithrandir, thanks for help "DEBCONF_PRIORITY=critical" help to skip the questions... which is fine for me
[11:16] <Mithrandir> oh, ok.  Yeah, it should
[11:17] <simira> Mithrandir: good morning, honey. Working today also?
[11:21] <simira> oh. Not interested today.
[11:21] <simira> mwell
[12:01] <poningru> question where should I be filing bugs to for dapper?
[12:01] <lifeless> lp
[12:01] <poningru> I only see about 32 bugs there
[12:01] <poningru> so...
[12:02] <poningru> I mean people have to be filing more right?
[12:02] <mpt__> poningru, most bugs are being reported just on Ubuntu, afaict
[12:02] <poningru> oh ok
[12:02] <mpt__> and then developers are targeting them to Dapper or not
[12:02] <poningru> so should I do the same? or file it under dapper?
[12:03] <mpt__> I honestly don't know
[12:03] <netdur> malone?
[12:04] <poningru> yeah same thing
[12:04] <mdke> poningru, if it's dapper specific, it would make sense to file under dapper I think
[12:04] <poningru> ok also should I file some of the obvious ones?
[12:05] <poningru> like two instances of screensaver under system->pref
[12:06] <poningru> I mean I assume the dev knows about it
[12:06] <mpt__> If it's not in the bug tracker, they can't use the bug tracker to decide what to work on next
[12:07] <poningru> ok this is def weird and confusing, but I will search under ubuntu also before filing for dapper
[12:07] <poningru> thanks for the help
[12:08] <mdke> searching under Ubuntu should turn up dapper bugs too, I would have thought
[12:12] <Kamion> poningru: there's no particular need to file them under dapper
[12:12] <Kamion> poningru: we'll take care of targeting bugs to dapper as necessary for release management
[12:12] <zyga> what is the current standards version?
[12:13] <poningru> Kamion: oh ok
[12:19] <mpt__> aha, you can't "file it under dapper" anyway
[12:19] <mpt__> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+filebug redirects to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug
[12:19] <mpt__> which is good
[12:21] <Kamion> zyga: sudo apt-get install debian-policy
[12:21] <zyga> Kamion: merci
[12:35] <poningru> mpt__: doh
[12:36] <poningru> mpt__: now I see it
[01:14] <\sh> gnarf
[01:14] <\sh> loopback is not setup properly
[01:15] <\sh> running 2.6.15-14-amd64-generic
[01:16] <\sh> can anybody confirm this?
[01:16] <\sh> [pid  5732]  stat("/usr/bin/xauth", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=35880, ...}) = 0
[01:16] <\sh> [pid  5732]  socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_TCP) = 7
[01:16] <\sh> [pid  5732]  bind(7, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(6010), sin_addr=inet_addr("<IP_ADDRESS>")}, 16) = -1 EADDRNOTAVAIL (Cannot assign requested address)
[01:16] <\sh> [pid  5732]  close(7)                    = 0
[01:42] <Kamion> \sh_away: 'ifup lo'. Check whether that solves your openssh bug too; bugs from a system without lo tend to be invalid
[01:49] <mdke> \sh_away, see if you have duplicate entries for an interface in /etc/network/interfaces which is preventing your system from bring up lo
[03:32] <jdong> is there any chance we can get a newer libxine in Dapper?
[03:32] <zyga> jdong: maybe, but unlikely
[03:32] <jdong> zyga: the current version cannot play h.264 mpeg4's at all
[03:33] <jdong> the xine folks say that 1.1.0 and onward have full h264 support
[03:33] <zyga> jdong: you need to convice someone (I cannot remember who/which group) that this is critical
[03:33] <zyga> or just badly needed
[03:33] <jdong> alright, off to LP then
[03:34] <siretart> jdong: we have 1.1.1 in dapper, FYI
[03:34] <jdong> hmm, I'm not pulling it.... when was it put there?
[03:35] <siretart> jdong: this is the latest upstream release. so I don't think dapper will get anything newer
[03:35] <jdong> siretart:  1.1.1 is perfect; just somehow I'm not getting it
[03:35] <siretart> jdong: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/source/xine-lib
[03:36] <jdong> wow I feel stupid
[03:36] <jdong> somehow there are a bunch of breezy lines in my sources.list
[03:36] <jdong> I swear I changed them over!
[03:37] <jdong> wait... booted into wrong partition
[03:37] <jdong> hehe
[03:37] <jdong> alright, everyone, point and laugh at jdong
[03:37] <siretart> jdong: but honestly, I think you are more interested in http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/source/xine-extracodecs
[04:30] <HiddenWolf> siretart: yeah, that's a pity, it used to be only gstreamer that needed tweaking before it'd play. Now with xine lobotomised too, video sucks. :)
[04:31] <siretart> HiddenWolf: I'd also like to change the world :(
[04:33] <HiddenWolf> siretart: let's do it together. :)
[04:34] <crimsun> I find both gstreamer and xine work well for my test cases
[04:34] <siretart> HiddenWolf: how? - I currently don't see much interest in discussing patent issues in the community
[04:35] <siretart> in the one corner, you have developers of video players, which are pissed by distributions, because of 'patent issues'. They say that there are so many patents in distributions already, that it wouldn't matter to include/ship their software
[04:36] <siretart> in the other corner you have distributions, who fear legal prosecution from a really livid multimedia lobby
[04:37] <topyli> and the winner is... ta-daa! nobody :)
[04:37] <siretart> recent example: see the discussion about the status of ffmpeg and rte in debian. ffmpeg IS in debian, and can be used to encode video into mpeg, and rte offers the same functionality, but may not enter debian
[04:37] <siretart> because of this very reason.
[04:38] <siretart> topyli: the loosers are our users :(
[04:38] <topyli> yep
[05:17] <Gandalfar> infinity: I have a broken initrd here for 2.6.15-14-386, it doesn't recognize the hard disk after breezy -> dapper upgrade, does this help you?
[05:19] <wasabi> Heh. All initrd's I generate don't work. ;)
[05:59] <hunger> Gandalfar: I think you should file a bugreport, attach the initrd and assign it to adam conrad.
[07:01] <zwnj> i try to run Gedit in Persian locale, but """LANG=fa_IR gedit""" doesn't work.  same about other gnome applications.
[07:03] <Treenaks> wow, my SD card reader has some (non-working) driver in current dapper
[07:04] <zyga> zwnj: could you try running gedit from the terminal and checking out if it says anything helpful?
[07:10] <jordi> daniel nylander
[07:10] <jordi> this dude is like the translation superhero
[07:11] <Treenaks> why?
[07:11] <jordi> he submits a new translation to rosetta every hour or less
[07:11] <Treenaks> wow
[07:12] <jordi> he hit a bug with his policycoreutils translation though :)
[07:13] <zyga> jordi: upstream or his own?
[07:20] <jordi> zyga: his own I'd say
[07:20] <zwnj> zyga: i tried, and it says nothing.  no error with fa_IR.  but if i set LANG to something like ab_CD, it makes Gtk-WARNING: Locale not supported by C library.
[07:21] <zyga> zwnj: that's because fa_IR is a valid locale and ab_CD is not
[07:22] <zyga> zwnj: does it crash? does it exit silently?
[07:22] <zwnj> and i do have this file: /usr/share/locale-langpack/fa/LC_MESSAGES/gedit.mo
[07:22] <zwnj> zyga: no, it just works like en_US locale
[07:23] <zyga> zwnj: ah, okay
[07:23] <zyga> zwnj: then check out if that file really contains any translations
[07:23] <zwnj> i tried both fa_IR and fa_IR.UTF-8
[07:23] <zyga> zwnj: or better, take the upstream version of corresponding .po file and rebuild the .mo file yourself
[07:24] <zwnj> lemme test a Persian session from GDM
[07:24] <zwnj> AFAIR, everything works in that way
[07:24] <zwnj> it's not a gedit bug
[07:25] <zwnj> non of gnome applications works
[07:35] <zwnj> zyga: any idea?
[07:52] <zyga> zwnj|away: no, sorry
[08:54] <poningru> mako: may I suggest a human turing test?
[08:55] <poningru> mako: just create a text box with the message dont put anything in here if you are human
[08:55] <poningru> ofcourse you might have idiots that will fail it: http://adam.rosi-kessel.org/weblog/this_weblog/humans_fall_turing_test.html
[09:04] <dredg> then surely they fail the turing test and are pronounced not human, right? :)
[09:42] <poningru> dredg: hehe yeah and their comments are not posted
[09:57] <dredg> poningru: the correct response from the server should be to kill them in the face.
[09:57] <dredg> now if only there was an rfc for that
[09:57] <poningru> I dont know we could try to create a firefox extension that will do that
[09:58] <poningru> although we would have to convince the user to install it
[09:59] <mpt> that's similar to jwz's "audio-cock technology"
[10:00] <dredg> hmm. i wonder if my employers would take issue with adding this feature to the google toolbar...
[10:01] <mpt> http://jwz.livejournal.com/123070.html?thread=521918#t521918
[10:02] <dredg> hah. awesome
[10:51] <Mez> oh poop, we're in UVF arent we
[10:51] <Mez> so I might as well click "cancel" on that email I was about to send
[11:17] <EvanCarroll> Are there any plans to upgrade the mplayer package, aparently #mplayer says they are 9months old
[11:17] <crimsun> eh?
[11:17] <crimsun> mplayer | 2:0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse Sources
[11:18] <crimsun> (I suppose you could always ask for a backport to breezy)
[11:18] <EvanCarroll> Thats 9 months old.
[11:18] <EvanCarroll> I'm on dapper.
[11:18] <crimsun> huh?
[11:18] <EvanCarroll> old checkout i suppose.
[11:18] <crimsun> surely you mean _12 days_
[11:20] <poningru> from their website: v1.0pre7try2 is the latest stable
[11:20] <EvanCarroll> I'm confused, I agree with you
[11:20] <EvanCarroll> I just want my rm to play at this point
[11:21] <EvanCarroll> and it doesn't with the version in the dapper archive =[
[11:21] <EvanCarroll> pastebin.com/529462
[11:21] <crimsun> EvanCarroll: it's really quite simple; slomo did a fresh cvs checkout on Jan 17th, which is 12 days ago
[11:21] <EvanCarroll> I agree
[11:21] <EvanCarroll> I'm blaming it on bad cvs
[11:22] <EvanCarroll> Tell me if these work for you w/ your mplayer
[11:22] <EvanCarroll> webcast.berkeley.edu/courses/archive.php?seriesid=1906978270
[11:22] <crimsun> let's take this to #ubuntu, because I have a feeling you're trying to play media unsupported by your installed codecs
[11:22] <EvanCarroll> I have the w32codecs
[11:23] <EvanCarroll> works with xine
[11:23] <poningru> that wont do
[11:24] <EvanCarroll> Why is that?
[11:25] <poningru> I think realplayer 10 messes up w32codec
[11:26] <poningru> dont remember the details
[11:26] <EvanCarroll> I dont have it installed.
[11:26] <crimsun> I can't play it at all
[11:26] <EvanCarroll> crimsun: And thats the problem.
[11:26] <crimsun> again, this is a support question, let's migrate to #ubuntu
[11:26] <poningru> yeah
[11:26] <poningru> EvanCarroll: #ubuntu
[11:30] <EvanCarroll> 16:18 < theoddbot> its bad packager
[11:30] <EvanCarroll> 16:18 < theoddbot> apt-get build-dep mplayer
[11:30] <EvanCarroll> 16:18 < theoddbot> then checkout your own cvs and build it
[11:30] <EvanCarroll> 16:19 < theoddbot> i'm running ubuntu with cvs and it works just fine
[11:30] <EvanCarroll> 16:19 < theoddbot> strangley enough that particular package (that i also having installed) is fubar
[11:30] <EvanCarroll> 16:19 < theoddbot> so yeah
[11:31] <EvanCarroll> that makes two people experiencing the same problem, I'll have my own build done in about 30min
[11:32] <poningru> what happens when xine tries to play it?
[11:32] <EvanCarroll> Works perfectly
[11:32] <EvanCarroll> for him too, he is also on dapper
[11:38] <EvanCarroll> guess I wont be building my own, libasound dev files 404ing
[11:39] <EvanCarroll> I'll build after archives updates, and get back to #ubuntu-devel
[11:39] <slomo> EvanCarroll: what about filing a bug then ;P i'll take a look at it this week and try to get it fixed
[11:50] <EvanCarroll> Bah i suppose I should do that too. =/ being a little lethargic today
[11:51] <slomo> EvanCarroll: just as a reminder for me... add the url that doesn't work there, a short description and assign it to slomo
[11:51] <EvanCarroll> sure thing got the url of the bugtracker
[11:52] <slomo> https://launchpad.net/malone


[01:42] <ImportantGuy> What is the easiest method now for making a USB stick bootable of an image
[04:06] <formolQC>  hi.  i just installed alpha5, and fsck fail at first boot, does someone know what to do?
[19:30] <webbb82> i just joined the testing team
[19:30] <webbb82> whats the best way i can help out
[22:27] <tmc> ulfs recked ubuntu, will upgrading help


[03:44] <xSmurf> hello, is there a way to make two jobs mutually exclusive? that is if one is started the other one should not try to launch. and/or to check for a running program before respawn


 Olá, boa noite. … Existe a possibilidade de executar o python no terminal?
 Hello .. Good night. … Is there a possibility to run python in the terminal?
 IDK if there’s any limitations, but I’m able to run the Python 3 interpreter in the terminal with python3
 Ok. Thanks!
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[03:28] <ubptgbot> <Anthony Alaniz> Any of the phones that successfully run Ubuntu Touch are unavailable for sale.  Has anyone installed Ubuntu Touch on Samsung S10e?
[03:50] <ubptgbot> <Anthony Alaniz> @Ben Pittman [Hello,  loving Ubuntu touch. Just settimg up my first phone, a pixel 3a.  all se …], Hi Ben, is your cell working and which carrier?  I am sorry just looking to go UT and looking for a phone.
 @Anthony Alaniz [Any of the phones that successfully run Ubuntu Touch are unavailable for sale. …], afaik the mi a3 is still being sold new on ebay
[03:53] <ubptgbot> <Anthony Alaniz> Ok cool, which carrier is works best Verizon, At&t etc
 it's unlocked. check on something like kimovil
 [Edit] it's unlocked. check on something like kimovil what bands does it support
[03:54] <ubptgbot> <Anthony Alaniz> I dont know but will find out.  Ty for helping.
 if you want tho you could port hte samsung galaxy s10e yourself
 just make sure it has an available kernel and android 9 image
[03:57] <ubptgbot> <Anthony Alaniz> 👍
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 My forensics teacher knows about Ubuntu Touch I think he came to know from xda, thanks to Erfan's GSI :P
 @Anthony Alaniz [Ok cool, which carrier is works best Verizon, At&t etc], I think the ones that still allows you to use 2g and 3g for calling
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 Hi. A moment ago my smartphone (Nexus 5) turned off the sleep itself and began to enter random numbers in the emergency call. When I tried to do something, it reset itself. And before this reset, I saw a tab from the "account" settings. Was it an accident or an attempted break-in?
[10:58] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @Bob [Hi. A moment ago my smartphone (Nexus 5) turned off the sleep itself and began t …], I had a similar issue a few weeks ago, only when device was connected to the original charger. Solution: Unplug the device from the micro-USB wire and reboot. Now I'm using another USB charger and the bug did not reappeared.
 @Bob [Hi. A moment ago my smartphone (Nexus 5) turned off the sleep itself and began t …], It is far more likely to spurious input from the hardware than an incompetent break in attempt. … Possible causes include the touchscreen needing cleaning, poor USB contacts or cable, or the screen being faulty. Try cleaning and hope it's a o
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 @Bob [Hi. A moment ago my smartphone (Nexus 5) turned off the sleep itself and began t …], the nexus 5's screen is know to break where it touches random like thay
 @Bob [Hi. A moment ago my smartphone (Nexus 5) turned off the sleep itself and began t …], [Edit] the nexus 5's screen is known to break where it touches random like that
 my E5 had the same problem … it was hard to use while charging which is actually the right thing to do. Don't use it while charging 😄
[13:40] <ubptgbot> Oliv' was added by: Oliv'
 Hi, anyone having only one phone to use Android & test UBports? How do you backup Android? I tried "adb backup" without success, lot of reconfiguration to be made
 Is your phone supported on UT?
 More or less, in is a Samsung S7: https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/48
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/gArTLR9K.webp
 And my chinese microUsb-hdmi adapter make only charging N5
 from the monitor!
 is it a slimport adapter?
 Hi everybody, … I'm thinking about using Ubuntu touch on a Xiaomi redmi note 7 as a primary phone. I want to ditch google and apple for good 😃 Can anyone using this setup give me an idea of what it's like? Is it working well or is it a lot of issues still?
[15:21] <ubptgbot> <Manojkumar M> For nexus 5x which device is compatible, like
[15:22] <ubptgbot> <Manojkumar M> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/dRFGs245.png
 there is no compatibility
 each phone have its own port
 Nexus 5x is not ported AFAIK
 @j2g2rp [Nexus 5x is not ported AFAIK], Exactly, its not ported
 @Oliv' [More or less, in is a Samsung S7: https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/is …], Thats not enough, if its not here: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/ then its not supported
[15:38] <ubptgbot> <Manojkumar M> @j2g2rp [Nexus 5x is not ported AFAIK], Thanks Josu
[15:39] <ubptgbot> <Manojkumar M> Do we have an workaround ?
 @Flohack [Thats not enough, if its not here: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/ then its not …], OK, I'll still try and see what I get and what needs improvements :)
 @Oliv' [OK, I'll still try and see what I get and what needs improvements :)], I dont think it will even boot. That manifest is probably for a pure Halium build, but Ubuntu Touch needs a different approach. YOu should start with the porting guide from the beginning to get there ^^
 Although we wanted to bring Ubuntu Touch to a state where it boots according to Halium specs, this has not landed. Basically also because it does not use systemd. So currently manifests from halium repos need to be taken with a grain of salt so to say
 I did start from the begining :) , there are some web pages reporting a successfull boot with the S7. Anyway, I do not expect it to be painless but I really like this phone so I want to give it a try.
 Any documentation on the different approach of both projects regarding this manifest?
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 does ubports load the wifi firmware from a different directory like for example pmos does ?
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 @Flohack [Although we wanted to bring Ubuntu Touch to a state where it boots according to …], wait halium doesn't use systemd or vice versa?
 @Oliv' [Any documentation on the different approach of both projects regarding this mani …], https://docs.ubports.com/porting should give you an idea
 @Manojkumar M [Do we have an workaround ?], yes the workaround is called 'porting'; many have tried, none have succeeded. If you do dare to try there's link to a guide in the group description
 @Fuseteam [https://docs.ubports.com/porting should give you an idea], Thanks, but it does not explain the "different manifest approach". It even let's the reader think of the opposite.
 As I already read it I was surprised by Florain's comment that it why I want to know more :)
[17:24] <ubptgbot> <Manojkumar M> @Fuseteam [yes the workaround is called 'porting'; many have tried, none have succeeded. If …], 👍
 @Fuseteam [wait halium doesn't use systemd or vice versa?], A reference OS with Halium should use systemd. But because Ubuntu Touch is on 16.04 currently we do not use systemd. Also it will create issues with old Android kernels. Systemd has problems working on kernels before 3.10 lets say. So that were blockers so far
 Also, Canonical made a really nice jobstart environment pairing signals between Android container and Ubuntu Touch upstart jobs. That needs some tooling now, so when we move to 20.04 we shall see how that works.
 So yes there are firm reasons ^^
 I think de-facto definition of Halium now are parts that run inside LXC container
 defining reference designs turned impractical as each project carries their own legacy and setup ways
 @Flohack [Also, Canonical made a really nice jobstart environment pairing signals between …], which is exactly broken on Halium ports right now
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 Thanks
 @Flohack [Also, Canonical made a really nice jobstart environment pairing signals between …], ah interesting, so once we find a way forward to systemd we can bring ubuntu touch to halium specs
 @NotKit [which is exactly broken on Halium ports right now], oh hmm interesting
 @Fuseteam [ah interesting, so once we find a way forward to systemd we can bring ubuntu tou …], Well the idea was to have a unified device initialization for different mobile phone projects. So KDE left Halium behind basically, and ther eis no sign of life from the others. I am not sure we will invest time to keep it as generic as it was
[19:29] <ubptgbot> one day. But chances increase with the new Ubuntu version, since at least systemd is uses by all other distros
 Anyone currently running the unofficial build for OnePlus 6?
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 @Strutter [Anyone currently running the unofficial build for OnePlus 6?], @calebccff can help :P
 Super.
 @Flohack [Well the idea was to have a unified device initialization for different mobile p …], Hmmm... I have a daemon running with systemd/systemctl on my Nexus 7. Should I have that switched over to upstart until the switch to systemd?
 just installed it today actually
 @calebccff I've noticed some recent commits so I assume there is progress. I tried to install it a few months back bit could not get Android 9 over the top of lineageos. Also may I ask what battery life is like. Thank you.
 [Edit] @calebccff I've noticed some recent commits so I assume there is progress. I tried to install it a few months back but could not get Android 9 over the top of lineageos. Also may I ask what battery life is like. Thank you.
 @Strutter [@calebccff I've noticed some recent commits so I assume there is progress.  I'm currently working on getting the device added to CI and eventually the ubports installer which will take some time. Unless you're havin
[19:53] <ubptgbot> g a specific issue I can help with basically go follow the guide on github (https://github.com/ubports-oneplus6/documentation). Battery life is a bit screwed right now as enabling suspend causes the device to crash due to a kernel bug
 @calebccff Thank you for the update. I'll keep my eyes peeled.
 @Flohack [Well the idea was to have a unified device initialization for different mobile p …], hmm true
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 @Flohack [Well the idea was to have a unified device initialization for different mobile p …], [Edit] hmm true, i do think there is some merit to it; if one project uses the halium spec, others are likely to follow suit
 @Fuseteam [hmm true, i do think there is some merit to it; if one project uses the halium s …], I dont believe so but lets see ^^ Because the more time passes the less people want to throw away what they have and adopt smth else. And frankly, which other project do you know that are eligible for Halium besides KDE?
 @marquiskurt [Hmmm... I have a daemon running with systemd/systemctl on my Nexus 7. Should I h …], Erm what exactly did you do 😆
 I installed the avahi-daemon and enabled it with systemctl so that I can access my Pi via zeroconf
 (Namely for integration with Nextcloud and UOA)
 Humm interesting but if you do a ps aux | grep systemd what would happen
 (Photo, 1200x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/0sJvaIi0.png
 This is the output
 @marquiskurt [This is the output], So you see no system is running, only 2 helpers ^^
 @marquiskurt [This is the output], [Edit] So you see no systemd is running, only 2 helpers ^^
 yall discussed JingOS yet?
 Thats ok systemctl is also controlling upstart I would say
 Or is this telegram strictly UBports?
 @DD1 [yall discussed JingOS yet?], Not worth IMHO :P
 Ah, OK then
 I mean it looks really nice tbh
 Well marketing is one thing. Physical devices another. Let some time pass ^^
 Would explain why I'm still able to connect to .local addresses
 @DD1 [yall discussed JingOS yet?], > is it open source?
 @calebccff [> is it open source?], I think so yes
 jingos.com
 @DD1 [I think so yes], do more research
 Full with CHinese spyware 😆
 Well from what I remember yes
 [Edit] Full with Chinese spyware 😆
 https://forum.jingos.com/t/faq-about-jingos/243
 @DD1 [Well from what I remember yes], you remember incorrectly, they said they /will/ open source it, which is basically useless, it's clear they aren't interested in community driven development
 they'll either go full for-profit and find a niche or they'll die
 "And JingOS will be free forever." ?
 @DD1 ["And JingOS will be free forever." ?], Nothing in life is free, its a fact ;)
 @DD1 ["And JingOS will be free forever." ?], they also said they'll open source it but I don't see any code
 Well its coming out Jan 31st
 I think they said they will publish the sources end of January with alpha release
 so let's just wait and see
 Tbh I prefer UT. It's funny because I try to do the gestures on my iPhone and facepalm, realizing that mistake
 (Photo, 1280x458) https://irc.ubports.com/i1ECoFKj.png They don't look like an open-first OS is all I'm saying
 A mobile OS is only worth what its Apps are worth
 True
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 for tablets they can probably get away with supporting desktop apps
 @NotKit [for tablets they can probably get away with supporting desktop apps], True
 It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
 The mockups looked similar to iOS, right?
 yes
 I am not sure I like this "More of the same" approach ;)
 OK, it is the one I saw on OMG Ubuntu. Been a while 😅
 @Flohack [I am not sure I like this "More of the same" approach ;)], Same. Let iOS be iOS.
 @Flohack [Nothing in life is free, its a fact ;)], If only people would wake up and realize that.
 Idk I'm yet to spend money on open sourcing and massively extending the usable lifespan of my phone ;P
 Tbh I was given the Nexus 7 but spending time and effort to make UT work well for my use cases
 @calebccff [Idk I'm yet to spend money on open sourcing and massively extending the usable l …], you're taking effort, so it's still not "free" :)
 @NotKit [you're taking effort, so it's still not "free" :)], Worked for it
 @NotKit [you're taking effort, so it's still not "free" :)], You weren't meant to point that out
 Exactly
 (On the effort part)
 @Flohack [Full with Chinese spyware 😆], No need for wild claims
 It's a straight clone of iOS interface, and yes off topic :)
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 So I flash halium-boot.img with Heimdal on my S7, I can acces to the telnet interface but I can not access to the recovery (TWRP) to install halium/UT, nothings happens when I press home+volume up+power. Any idea? :)
 Actually I tried to power it down with "halt -f" an the phone is not respoding anymore to the power button :/
 try holding power button and volume buttons maybe
 Thanks, power+volume down without home worked :) Is there a way to reboot in recovery thanks ot the telnet inteface ?
 normally reboot -f recovery works, but probably not in telnet
 @Oliv' [So I flash halium-boot.img with Heimdal on my S7, I can acces to the telnet inte …], Which images did you take to the S7, I cant find any trace that we would have a port for this already
 he compiled it as I see at @halium
 Yeah that wont work, I said already before, its a Halium manifest that would not work with UT
 it should work to some extent, but anyway that is porting-related now
 Yes I compiled it, I know that there might be lot of issue but I want to give it a try. so with reboot instead of halt I have been able to reach recovery. Thanks :)
 @Flohack [I dont believe so but lets see ^^ Because the more time passes the less people w …], manjaro maybe? if they ever decide to support android hardware and kde only 'left' halium because their end was unmaintained
 there is also small but interesting hybris-mobian effort
 yeah, mobian is nice
 but I want to have lomiri on mobian, cause phosh sucks
 Still not booting, I will definitely spend lot of time :) … @Floran, why are you so pessimistic when you see this comment ? https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/48#issuecomment-619349555
 @Oliv' [Still not booting, I will definitely spend lot of time :) … @Floran, why are you s …], you'd really to debug problems step by step, I can't say much without proper logs. also join @ubports_porting
 @Oliv' [Still not booting, I will definitely spend lot of time :) … @Floran, why are you s …], [Edit] you'd really need to debug problems step by step, I can't say much without proper logs. also join @ubports_porting
 Ok, I'll do :) thanks; There seems to be a panic in the dmesg, I'll analyse it and ask for help if I do not find the issue myself, thanks
 [Edit] but I want to have lomiri on mobian, cause phosh sucks for now
 @Oliv' [Still not booting, I will definitely spend lot of time :) … @Floran, why are you s …], Ah please join porting group and talk with @aribk there ^^ I totally di dnot get it, he i sporting for UT. But you need a different kernel setup for sure. Did you follow UT porting guide?
 @Oliv' [Still not booting, I will definitely spend lot of time :) … @Floran, why are you s …], [Edit] Ah please join porting group and talk with @aribk there ^^ I totally di dnot get it, he is porting this device for UT. But you need a different kernel setup for sure. Did you follow UT porting guide?
 he already joined the porting group fwiw
 at least i think he did
 cool
 They should cooperate on this port, Ari got a bit stuck ^^
 yeah that'd be great
 Sure, time to sleep so I am restoring Android's backup but I'll continue tomorrow. I definitely need to buy a 2nd device :)
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