[02:53] <bts3685|vps> wow. there needs to be a more elegant way for keeping tracks of laws.
[02:53] <bts3685|vps> @eighth_law
[02:53] <PennBot> Rumor has it eighth_law is no law shall be modified, circumvented, added, or removed to conflict with Fifth Law, bts3685|vps
[03:00] <andrew> @laws
[03:00] <PennBot> I don't have a clue.
[04:52] <bts3685|vps> forgive me, upa, for i hath fed a trolling freetard, and layeth a smackdown of smite hard upon him: http://www.facebook.com/#!/home.php?sk=question&id=1484324206714&qa_ref=nac&post_id=1489501416141&notif_t=question_answer_comment
[04:52] <PennBot> Title: Welcome to Facebook - Log In, Sign Up or Learn More (at www.facebook.com)
[11:54] <JonathanD> Morning PA.
[14:13] <InHisName> Gooooooo....oood Mooooorrrrrning ! JonathanD
[14:16] <JonathanD> hi
[17:06] <ChinnoDog> @seen ChinnoDog
[17:06] <PennBot> ChinnoDog: ChinnoDog was last seen in #ubuntu-us-pa 2 days, 22 hours, 5 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <ChinnoDog> turkeymobile++
[17:15] <andrew> @seen myself_in_a_mirror
[17:15] <PennBot> andrew: Error: 'myself_in_a_mirror' is not a valid nick.  That nick is too long for this server.
[17:15] <andrew> darnit
[17:15] <andrew> @seen myself
[17:15] <PennBot> andrew: I have not seen myself.
[20:42] <InHisName> @seen HowdyDoody
[20:42] <PennBot> InHisName: HowdyDoody was last seen in #ubuntu-us-pa 5 weeks, 4 days, 2 hours, 2 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <HowdyDoody> If he never converted the one disk to dynamic then he might have a chance to undo the little bit flag.
[20:43] <InHisName> @seen Prayer
[20:43] <PennBot> InHisName: Prayer was last seen in #ubuntu-us-pa 48 weeks, 6 days, 5 hours, 30 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <Prayer> Prayer is registered and has pwd but I haven't been prompted yet.
[20:49] <InHisName> @seen pleia2
[20:49] <PennBot> InHisName: pleia2 was last seen in #ubuntu-us-pa 1 day, 16 hours, 41 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <pleia2> yay :)
[20:50] <InHisName> @seen paulproteus
[20:50] <PennBot> InHisName: paulproteus was last seen in #ubuntu-us-pa 27 weeks, 3 days, 4 hours, 36 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <paulproteus> http://penn.openhatch.org/ is an event I'm co-running in a week.
[20:50] <InHisName> @seen ubuntulo1_
[20:50] <PennBot> InHisName: I have not seen ubuntulo1_.
[20:51] <InHisName> @seen tychoish
[20:51] <PennBot> InHisName: tychoish was last seen in #ubuntu-us-pa 23 weeks, 6 days, 6 hours, 36 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <tychoish> that would be a problem
[20:51] <tychoish> you called?
[20:51] <InHisName> wow!  23 weeks and only a few seconds to respond
[20:51] <pleia2> heh
[20:51] <tychoish> I lurk hardcore
[20:52] <InHisName> are you near philly area ?
[20:52] <tychoish> yeah
[20:53] <InHisName> working or job searching ?
[20:53] <tychoish> working
[20:53] <InHisName> lucky you
[20:53] <tychoish> sometimes.
[20:53] <tychoish> ;)
[20:53] <tychoish> what do you do?
[20:53] <tychoish> also would I know you irl?
[20:54] <tychoish> or in-cyberspace-but-not-on-irc-irl
[20:54] <InHisName> I do: searching for job
[20:54] <tychoish> ah
[20:54] <tychoish> that's not quite what I meant
[20:54] <InHisName> Don't seem to have any spare time though
[20:55] <tychoish> spare time is an illusion
[20:55] <InHisName> I can't even be a hard core lurker......
[20:55] <rhpot1991> jobs are over rated
[20:55] <InHisName> too many kids saying daddy I need you ......
[20:56] <InHisName> besides the searching and the kids there is the retraining classes (CCNA, CCNP, MCSA)
[20:57] <InHisName> rhpot1991: if you are tired of yours, I'll take it off your hands.
[20:57] <InHisName> I have two years of bills to make up for.
[20:57] <rhpot1991> InHisName: assuming you aren't in the harrisburg area?
[20:58] <InHisName> Well..... that could create a sore commute timing.
[20:58] <rhpot1991> I get tired of jobs every 6 months, so thats not really a fair statement :)
[20:59] <rhpot1991> InHisName: lots of .net crap here and out towards lancaster
[21:00] <InHisName> Its less than 2 hours to lancaster from my home, but for bicycling that could get excessive.
[21:00] <rhpot1991> slightly
[21:00] <rhpot1991> I wouldn't touch a 2 hour commute
[21:01] <rhpot1991> actually this one can do remote, if you know c#
[21:01] <InHisName> hmmmmm
[21:01] <tychoish> I do the 2 hour commute thing
[21:01] <tychoish> the trains making it liveable
[21:01] <rhpot1991> only a 2 month contract though
[21:01] <InHisName> I did 1.5 hours on a bike years ago.
[21:02] <JonathanD> 1.5 hours on bike would be more tolerable than the same time in a car.
[21:02] <JonathanD> imho.
[21:02] <andrew> yes
[21:02] <InHisName> JonathanD: yeppers to that!   That is why I chose to do that.
[21:02] <rhpot1991> InHisName: PM me an email and I'll forward info to you
[21:02] <rhpot1991> you can reach out if you'd like
[21:02] <InHisName> k
[21:02] <JonathanD> My drive is about 4-6 minutes.
[21:02]  * tychoish glares
[21:02] <JonathanD> I'm considering biking at least one day a week for the summer, though.
[21:03] <rhpot1991> mine used to be 90 seconds, but there place went under :(
[21:03] <andrew> JonathanD: so bike
[21:03] <InHisName> That's almost too close for biking exercise, JonathanD
[21:03] <rhpot1991> I used to bike there too
[21:03] <andrew> JonathanD: I've already biked to work once
[21:03] <JonathanD> InHisName: the route I would take is a little longer.
[21:03] <rhpot1991> now my bike is neglected
[21:03] <JonathanD> Since I drive on bike-death-road.
[21:03] <andrew> screw the excersise, you are slowly saving bundles on car maintance
[21:04] <JonathanD> andrew: 4 days a week we share the car, so I wouldn't really save anything those days.
[21:04] <JonathanD> it's a whole 30 seconds out of crissi's way.
[21:04] <andrew> have her bike as well!
[21:04] <andrew> family activity!
[21:05] <andrew> how far is her drive?
[21:05] <JonathanD> it's not all that much farther.
[21:05] <JonathanD> There is the matter of dropping the kids off though.
[21:05] <JonathanD> I'm not sure both of us doing it could work, logistically.
[21:05] <InHisName> I have a bicycle built for 2.  I thought about joint commutes but never orchestrated it well enough.
[21:06] <JonathanD> bikepooling
[21:06] <JonathanD> I could get away with it myself though, if she drops the kids off.
[21:06] <andrew> get a conferencebike: http://www.conferencebike.com/bike.html?bike=64
[21:06] <PennBot> Title: ConferenceBike - Eric Staller - Bike (at www.conferencebike.com)
[21:06] <InHisName> I bike pooled to bike club rides.  A few years later married her too.
[21:06] <JonathanD> I would double back to the 202 bridge into norristown, then get on thetrail.
[21:06] <JonathanD> *trail
[21:06] <JonathanD> into conshy, then cross the river again to get to work.
[21:09] <InHisName> That's quite a haul from Norristown to CC for a daily grind.
[21:09] <JonathanD> InHisName: I only go to conshohocken.
[21:09] <InHisName> Oh! much closer.
[21:09] <InHisName> Probably a lot less crowded too.
[21:10] <JonathanD> http://www.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=E+4th+St&daddr=40.1072884,-75.3275563+to:Barr+Harbor+Dr&hl=en&geocode=FfzyYwIdpoGC-w%3BFRj9YwIdvJeC-ynnHxgz-73GiTG5WGw_ay37qg%3BFRFrYwIdC9mC-w&mra=dpe&mrsp=1&sz=14&via=1&dirflg=b&sll=40.087305,-75.322025&sspn=0.045835,0.111494&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=14&lci=bike
[21:10] <PennBot> Title: E 4th St to Barr Harbor Dr - Google Maps (at www.google.com)
[21:11] <JonathanD> rouhgly
[21:13] <JonathanD> roughly, even
[21:41] <waltman> should be a nice flat ride, too
[21:44] <andrew> He's even a fairly falt ride away from where I go rock climbing
[23:26]  * paulproteus waves at InHisName


[19:54] <bhearsum> chemspill =\
[19:56] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, yeah, i just happened to check my e-mail on my day off ;)
[19:56] <chrisccoulson> i managed to go nearly a whole day without IRC too :)
[19:56] <bhearsum> i was wondering why it was so quiet around here!
[19:57] <knome> chrisccoulson, gotcha! :)
[19:57] <knome> chrisccoulson, maybe you have some time tomorrow to think about the browser startpage -issue :)
[19:59] <chrisccoulson> knome, possibly, although i'll be quite busy initially in the morning
[19:59] <knome> chrisccoulson, well, morning is not so good for me either. i'm usually sleeping then :)
[19:59] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, it's normally fairly quiet in here isn't it? ;)
[19:59] <knome> (joys of being an entrepreneur)
[19:59] <chrisccoulson> heh
[19:59] <bhearsum> chrisccoulson: not for a whole day!
[20:00] <BUGabundo> evening, dear!
[20:22] <micahg> bhearsum: fun :)
[23:02] <BUGabundo> nite
[23:05] <micahg> bye BUGabundo


[00:00] <Delemas> Ok I tried that. No love. That is an interesting idea though I wonder if my headset still works.
[00:02] <Delemas> That is interesting. I do get white noise output on the headset.
[00:04] <Delemas> So audio playback when the headset is plugged in still works. Whatever the heck that red bulleye is about it is present when it is working so irrelevant.
[00:07] <Delemas> As soon as I unplug headset all audio output stops...
[01:19] <Delemas> Ok I added the two tabs to the snapshots here: https://imgur.com/a/C9OZ2wF
[01:20] <Delemas> Sadly no matter what I do it won't audio output over HDMI...
[01:24] <Delemas> Is it possible for Linux to output audio over Bluetooth? That would circumvent the HDMI audio issue and play over Bluetooth to my DVD player. I can do that with my phone...
[01:53] <Delemas> I figured out how to do this but it doesn't work either.
[01:56] <well_laid_lawn> !sound
[01:56] <well_laid_lawn> !bluetooth
[01:58] <Delemas> That how to leads to this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothAudio  which gives an Internal server error.
[01:59] <Delemas> Now it is fine nevermind...
[07:58] <powermi> hello, just installed Xubuntu and Its great, im looking for a awy to manage backups. any recommendation ?
[08:04] <diogenes_> powermi, dejadup.
[08:04] <diogenes_> !info dejadup
[08:05] <diogenes_> !info deja dup
[08:06] <diogenes_> !info deja-dup
[08:06] <diogenes_> finally :)
[08:09] <powermi> great. thanks I was also thiking on do it with rsync or cronopete
[13:39] <xu-help73w> Hi. How to set up wine on Xubuntu 18.04?
[15:27] <xu-irc16w> Hello! Sorry to crash in here, I would like to upgrade my existing 18.04LTS install, but neither the GUI Software Updater nor the do-release-upgrade recognize availability of 20.04LTS. (I'm all up to date with the normal apt-get update/upgrade-s.) Any tips?
[15:28] <lighterowl> !ltsupgrade | xu-irc16w
[15:42] <xu-irc16w> Thanks
[16:03] <LLIypuk> evening
[16:04] <LLIypuk> is there a way to work around fsck.mode=skip issue in xubuntu live session?
[16:07] <LLIypuk> apart from ctrl+c + plymouth
[16:36] <gijoe3k> Hello There,
[16:37] <gijoe3k> About to install Xubuntu 20.04. Realized that XFCE does scaling only 1x or 2x out of the box.
[16:37] <lighterowl> yes.
[16:38] <gijoe3k> Does Xubuntu(XFCE) have the ability to do fractional scaling like Ubuntu?
[16:38] <lighterowl> I'm sure you could cook something up either via xrandr or specifying environment variables for GTK/Qt apps ... but it's going to be messy at best.
[16:38] <gijoe3k> Instead of 100% or 200% somenting like 125% to 150% and so on?
[16:39] <gijoe3k> drat
[16:39] <lighterowl> yeah
[16:39] <gijoe3k> Ubuntu looks great with it fractional scaling but im much more comfortable in Xubuntu :(
[16:41] <lighterowl> sorry, can't help you - I don't use the feature myself, and I have no idea about the code behind it. perhaps there are interfaces that allow you to set a custom value as a scaling factor, but they're simply not exposed in the GUI yet because they don't work most of the time.
[16:41] <lighterowl> but that's just conjecture on my part.
[16:41] <gijoe3k> No problem. I appreciate your input either way.
[16:42] <lighterowl> :)
[16:42] <gijoe3k> I'm hoping XFCE devs will work this ability in at some point. It looks pretty messy at the moment.
[16:43] <lighterowl> to be fair, I think only macOS get scaling right all/almost-all of the time.
[16:44] <lighterowl> *gets
[16:44] <lighterowl> Windows 10 can be messy as well - I have scaling set there to 125%, and some apps have blurry fonts, others look fine - probably depends on the WinAPI calls they use for rendering.
[16:45] <LLIypuk> lighterowl, would you please comment on my question?
[16:45] <lighterowl> LLIypuk: sorry, I have no idea about the bug that you're referring to. maybe I could say something more if you sent me a link of sorts?
[16:45] <lighterowl> granted, I have not started the 20.04 live system, as I had no need to.
[16:46] <LLIypuk> yeah
[16:46] <LLIypuk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1875548
[16:47] <LLIypuk> ubottu, you've read my mind ;)
[16:47] <LLIypuk> ok
[16:47] <lighterowl> :D
[16:48] <LLIypuk> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1870018
[16:48] <gijoe3k> @lighterowl It's funny I wouldn't think fractional scaling would be such a difficult feature to implement and work correctly across the UI spectrum but then im not a coder by trade and don't know much about it for sure.
[16:51] <lighterowl> LLIypuk: it seems to me that the workaround provided there is good enough until the bug is actually resolved. the only alternative that comes to mind is ... perhaps creating your own boot medium so that /etc/fstab is modified in order to skip fsck? but that's a rather big undertaking.
[16:52] <lighterowl> perhaps you could ... extract the live squashfs, edit fstab, and repackage it?
[16:52] <LLIypuk> what about masking some systemd unit?
[16:52] <lighterowl> still seems like just adding the boot parameter is easier. perhaps you could add it to grub permanently on the USB drive? I don't really remember how the configuration is specified there, but it sounds doable.
[16:52] <LLIypuk> early at boot
[16:59] <LLIypuk> lighterowl, i was trying to say that fsck.mode=skip boot option has no effect in Xubuntu (reported to work in plain Ubuntu)
[17:06] <deadrom> hi
[17:07] <deadrom> any specific issue why lightdm wouldn't start after a gpu change?
[17:10] <deadrom> or why I have no desktop when I launch the xfce session from gdm3?
[17:11] <deadrom> or asked the other way round, how do I "reset to factory defaults" lightdm?
[17:12] <LLIypuk> tail Xorg.0.log a little, deadrom
[17:13] <diogenes_> LLIypuk, шурик?
[17:14] <LLIypuk> diogenes, yo
[17:14] <lighterowl> LLIypuk: oh, that sucks. :( the only thing that comes to mind is perhaps masking the systemd-fsck-root service, but like I said, that would require rebuilding the squashfs...
[17:14] <lighterowl> and even then, I have no idea if that would actually work.
[17:16] <LLIypuk> lighterowl, btw, how's behind such thingie? maintainer of casper packages or someone a bit higher?
[17:17] <LLIypuk> package
[17:18] <lighterowl> LLIypuk: sorry, no idea.
[17:23] <deadrom> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yF2WX9MwsY/  <- LLIypuk
[17:23] <deadrom> but that's from a successful start on gdm3 now
[17:24] <deadrom> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8zyjnWyNHW/ <- that's from couple minutes earlier
[17:24] <lighterowl> open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory - ummm, that's suspicious
[17:24] <LLIypuk> :)
[17:24] <deadrom> I would have purged and reinstalled lightdm, but when I try, apt wants to uninstall xubuntu-desktop and -core, too
[17:26] <deadrom> lighterowl, well, with gdm3 I now have a login and Unigine Benchmark running... at even a good speed.. anyway, the card is there and running
[17:26] <lighterowl> huh
[17:28] <deadrom> ok, from the beginning: dell laptoop, i7, nvidia. migrated SSD to AMD FX with Radeon HD 7750 as I'll sell the Dell. purged all nvidia packages.
[17:29] <deadrom> installed xserver-xorg-video-ati and -radeon as both were not there. -ati because the card is a good 7 years old, but I think that's not the right driver, the HD7 series was just right with the newdrivers, at least now lsmod lists radeon and amdgpu
[17:33] <LLIypuk> deadrom, grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:33] <LLIypuk>  would tell you that module(s) are absent
[17:33] <deadrom> but could not start lightdm. http://migueleonardortiz.com.ar/linux/lightdm-linux/failed-to-start-light-display-manager/1741
[17:33] <deadrom> i followed the step there but it would not help.
[17:41] <deadrom> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/W8XjYtc6Zc/  <-xurrent Xorg.0.log EE
[17:42] <tomreyn> did you remove nomodeset, yet (as i pointed out a while ago)?
[17:43] <deadrom> tomreyn, yes
[17:44] <deadrom> tomreyn, I got X now and working DRI after I installed gdm3 and made it the display manager
[17:45] <deadrom> something is odd though, I don't seem to have a desktop, only xfce taskbars. no background image, when I right click into open space nothing
[17:45] <LLIypuk> deadrom, paste your <cat /proc/cmdline> here
[17:46] <deadrom> BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-99-generic root=UUID=ebd48b5d-5e42-4a13-aaad-02338680e794 ro quiet splash
[17:48] <tomreyn> deadrom: you hadn'T mentioned you're using xubuntu (xfce) on #ubuntu earlier, i had not recommended gdm3 then, AFAIK (but not well informed) xubuntu defaults to lightdm
[17:50] <deadrom> tomreyn, you're right. I suspected a core issue hence wanted to address the largest community. gdm3 was a recommendation in case lightdm acted up, which here was the case. it does not work as suggested, see my comment on the deskto
[17:52] <deadrom> I'd like to purge and reinstall lightdm, but apt wants to remove xubuntu-desktop then as well. any way to not?
[17:54] <LLIypuk> deadrom, you could download lightdm packages, extact it and compare file/configs by hands
[17:54] <tomreyn> sudo apt --purge --reinstall install lightdm
[17:55] <LLIypuk> but... chances are you'd get nothing at all
[17:55] <deadrom> https://pastebin.com/5U8raUKM <- wait: why would removing the desktop only free 1.4MB?
[17:56] <LLIypuk> deadrom, you will not recover after removing desktop, forget it
[17:56] <deadrom> man I so happily would have installed fresh 20.04 if they had fixed that stupid wacom bug
[17:56] <LLIypuk> tomreyn, what if he were to boot to console (3rd level) and that start lightdm by hand?
[17:57] <LLIypuk> then
[17:58] <deadrom> can do, if you tell me how to boot to text only
[17:59] <LLIypuk> %)
[17:59] <tomreyn> LLIypuk: to achieve what?
[17:59] <LLIypuk> tomreyn, some meaning output (to console or journalctl)
[18:00] <LLIypuk> meaningful
[18:00] <tomreyn> i'm not sure what's the problem that deadrom is currently trying to solve.
[18:00] <tomreyn> meaningful output is usually available in the systemd journal
[18:01] <tomreyn> xubuntu-core and xubuntu-desktop are meta packages. removing them temporarily is not an issue.
[18:02] <LLIypuk> deadrom, 3rd level goes this way - just and 3 to the end of your kernel command line in grub
[18:03] <LLIypuk> add
[18:03] <LLIypuk> not and - add
[18:04] <LLIypuk> sudo systemctl start lightdm.service
[18:04] <LLIypuk> after you login to console session with your user/pass
[18:07] <LLIypuk> then (now?) study contents of /var/log/lightdm/ dir
[18:20] <deadrom> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GrR8nDFkMX/
[18:20] <deadrom> LLIypuk, that's tail -n 40 from lightdm log
[18:21] <deadrom> lightdm-gtk-greeter.. where is it? where does it get called?
[18:25] <LLIypuk> yeah
[18:25] <deadrom> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QvkndVHjM8/ <- that greeter config contains only comments apart from [greeter]
[18:27] <deadrom> that's as empty in that 20.04 fresh install. so no cigar
[18:27] <LLIypuk> yeah
[18:32] <tomreyn> dpkg -S /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/40-kde-plasma-kf5.conf
[18:33] <tomreyn> may well be a leftover
[18:33] <deadrom> I removed the custom line from ightdm.conf where _I specified the greeter explicity, now I can start lightdm, but when I say "login" it just vanishes for a moment and comes back to the login :)
[18:35] <LLIypuk> cat /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf | grep -v ^#
[18:35] <LLIypuk> what is the greeter value(s) ?
[18:37] <LLIypuk> dpkg -l *greet*
[18:38] <deadrom> LLIypuk, nothing. I specified that but since it was not like the original setup I removed it again. no difference.
[18:38] <LLIypuk> i've got two packages only
[18:38] <deadrom> ii  lightdm-gtk-greeter        2.0.5-0ubuntu1     amd64              simple display manager (GTK+ greeter)
[18:38] <LLIypuk> only one?
[18:38] <deadrom> ii  lightdm-gtk-greeter-settin 1.2.2-1            all                settings editor for the LightDM GTK+ Greeter
[18:38] <deadrom> and a few marked "un"
[18:39] <deadrom> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/86w85BfysC/
[18:39] <LLIypuk> ok
[18:40] <deadrom> I see lightdm here cycling through the default timeout, restarting over and over. it cannot launch the session apparently.
[18:40] <deadrom> .Xauthority anythign to do with that?
[18:41] <deadrom> wait..
[18:42] <LLIypuk> .xsession-errors has something to do with that, probably
[18:42] <deadrom> seat0-greeter.log:
[18:43] <deadrom> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8DmpsN3Gd3/
[18:43] <deadrom> repeats every 20 seconds
[18:43] <LLIypuk> Failed to execute command: upstart
[18:44] <LLIypuk> are you on 12.04 ?
[18:45] <deadrom> huh? no, 18.04
[18:45] <deadrom> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1635809
[18:45] <LLIypuk> deadrom, got enough free space on your home dir?
[18:45] <deadrom> older bug, same messages, but shitty bug report, does not say impact, possible workarounds
[18:46] <deadrom> LLIypuk, 139G free. bit crammed ;) but should do
[18:46] <deadrom>  root 13GB free
[18:48] <LLIypuk> so, let's start lightdm in debug mode
[18:48] <LLIypuk> rm /var/log/lightdm/*conf and off you go
[18:49] <deadrom> there is no conf in /v/l/lightdm
[18:52] <deadrom> i need to be afk for an hour
[18:54] <LLIypuk> me too
[19:27] <zleap> hi
[19:32] <zleap> yousuf
[19:33] <lighterowl> hi zleap
[19:33] <zleap> hi
[19:33] <zleap> just checking in as I offered to help maintain the xubuntu mastodon account
[19:46] <xu-help48w> hello, can somebody help me to install my printer (mg5250)? iam using obviously xubuntu 20.04....
[19:49] <tomreyn> there don't seem to be drivers for it
[19:51] <zleap> what make is it ?
[19:51] <tomreyn> canon pixma
[19:52] <zleap> https://askubuntu.com/questions/168089/how-do-i-install-my-new-canon-mg5250-printer-mg5200-series/174741#174741
[19:54] <tomreyn> this seems to answer a different question (how to print b&w only)
[19:55] <zleap> maybe once it is printing you can set the driver to colour
[20:08] <xu-help48w> there are some universal drivers but there occures an error cause of the libtiff4 to libtiff5 which is actually used with the two lts versions (18.04,20.04)
[20:10] <xu-help48w> there is an german webiste with the same problem, but its not actual... https://mun-steiner.de/wordpress/index.php/linux/scannen-und-drucken/canon-software-pixma-mg5250/
[20:11] <xu-help48w> i think the printer is too old...hmm bad for me
[20:13] <tomreyn> there are no open source drivers for it really. those that canon last published in 2010 were closed source / binaries and that's why they no longer work nowadays.
[20:13] <zleap> HP printers are pretty wellsupported
[20:25] <xu-help48w> ok. thanks for the help anyway :D
[20:25] <xu-help48w> :)
[20:50] <edubz> I just installed xbuntu 20.04 and my start menu key does not activate the super menu. Does anybody know where I can fix that? I found the keybindings for a bunch of other stuff, but the super menu/whisker menu was not there.
[21:07] <jdwwatts> Hi Anyone Got anything to say about the newest version and if its a good idea to upgrade yet ?
[21:11] <lighterowl> works great for me
[21:11] <lighterowl> is about as much as I can say
[21:13] <xu-help75w> can you upgrade from last LTS version via command-line ?
[21:13] <lighterowl> !ltsupgrade | xu-help75w
[21:14] <xu-help75w> thanks
[21:14] <lighterowl> no problem
[23:39] <xu-irc94w> Hello, is there someone to give me some help? I also speak Spanish


[01:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #95276 in launchpad "Top right search bar in beta only searches project names" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95276
[02:37] <welshbyte> is launchpad heavily loaded at the moment? seems a bit slow...
[02:40] <Kmos> not here..
[02:40] <beuno> not here either
[02:44] <welshbyte> ok, thanks
[02:45] <beuno> welshbyte: I'm using rosetta though, so it might vary
[02:47] <welshbyte> re-running firefox made it speed up... crazy
[02:47] <Kmos> :)
[04:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #95319 in launchpad-bazaar "branch-puller lacks end-to-end tests" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95319
[08:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #95361 in malone "Front page overlaps content at not-very-narrow widths" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95361
[11:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #95404 in blueprint "Increasing size of dependency tree should be available" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95404
[12:21] <Laibsch> Is Matthew Revell in the house ?
[12:22] <mdke> nope
[12:23] <Laibsch> mdke: Thanks for answering.
[12:23] <mdke> he's around monday to friday, UK working answers
[12:23] <Laibsch> Does he ever hang around her?
[12:23] <mdke> answers/hours
[12:23] <Laibsch> OK
[12:23] <Laibsch> Next question.  Is it a design decision that Malone cannot define a dependency tree for bugs?  It is quite handy to know that first bug A has to be fixed before bug B can be dealt with.
[12:24] <Laibsch> Or can I enter an RFE?
[12:24] <mdke> interesting suggestion. I would guess it's simply not a feature that has been implemented, rather than a design decision
[12:25] <mdke> you can look for a bug about that, or mail the list
[12:25] <mdke> generally the weekends are quiet around here
[12:29] <Laibsch> mdke: Thanks for handing around, then. ;-)
[12:30] <Laibsch> I searched the bug list and after I did not find anything about that, I filed bug 95419
[12:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 95419 in malone "RFE: Dependency tree for bugs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95419
[12:31] <Laibsch> I was quite amazed not to see this.  It seems quite obvious to have something like it.  I use it all the time in Bugzilla.
[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #95419 in malone "RFE: Dependency tree for bugs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95419
[12:51] <LarstiQ> iirc the developers are not convinced dependencies are useful
[12:52] <LarstiQ> Laibsch: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/launchpad-users/2006-March/000110.html
[12:52] <LarstiQ> old thread, but that is where I raised it
[12:54] <LarstiQ> Laibsch: could you explain in the bug what you use them for?
[01:04] <kiko-zzz> dependencies are useful. but then again, maybe linking a spec to several bugs accomplishes what you want to do
[01:04] <kiko-zzz> as soon as something needs to spam a non-trivial set of bugs, you could argue it needs a channel for consideration
[01:30] <Laibsch> LarstiQ: Thanks for the link.
[01:30] <Laibsch> I will elaborate a bit further.
[01:32] <Laibsch> LarstiQ: Metabug is one thing I use it for and I had considered writing about that here.
[01:32] <Laibsch> But then after some consideration I thought that this channel might not be interested in that drivel ;-)
[01:33] <Laibsch> Furthermore I believe there is an equivalent (which is even better than creating a new bug just to collect others -> the meta-bug)
[01:33] <LarstiQ> if it's well thought out drivel, I believe it would be welcome ;)
[01:33] <Laibsch> It is the tag-feature
[01:33] <Laibsch> In your case, you can now just use the tag UnicodeExceptions and have about the same effect
[01:34] <Laibsch> But I still believe dependencies are useful for important things that cannot be done with Launchpad ATM
[01:35] <Laibsch> I use it all the time in the openembedded BTS
[01:37] <Laibsch> BTW, can you clue me in on the exact semantics of "nominate for release"  what does that stand for and in what circumstances should I set it?
[02:25] <mdke> Laibsch: it's for the drivers of a project to determine which bugs need to be fixed for a particular release
[03:19] <Laibsch> mdke: So this is nothing an ordinary user or somebody from QA touches?
[03:19] <Laibsch> In that case it would be nice if it was hidden for people who should not apply it.
[03:20] <mdke> Laibsch: anyone can nominate a bug, then the driver/release manager determines whether to accept it or not (as explained when you click on the link)
[03:21] <Laibsch> sure, whether it is accepted is another mater.
[03:22] <Laibsch> I don't quite understand the meaninf of nomination.
[03:22] <Laibsch> Is that sort of like "please release this is edgy/feisty/... when you have the time"?
[03:22] <Laibsch> this in
[03:27] <mdke> Laibsch: to nominate means to propose
[03:29] <Laibsch> I understand that much ;-)
[03:29] <Laibsch> I wonder what I am proposing by clicking that option ;-)
[03:32] <mdke> Laibsch: you are proposing that the bug be fixed by a particular release
[03:38] <Laibsch> so why can I nominate dapper or even breezy?  Is that proposing a backport?
[03:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #95493 in launchpad "[BETA]  Unable to set upstream link" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95493
[04:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #95520 in malone "One can not change Font-color of Panel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95520
[05:07] <mdke> Laibsch: those are supported distributions
[05:07] <mdke> bugs are fixed in those
[05:08] <Laibsch> I was getting the wrong impression by "fixed by" which I thought was meant as "fixed when XY is released".
[05:09] <mdke> my mistake. s/by/in
[05:16] <Laibsch> no, I think both are fine
[05:16] <Laibsch> and both could be mistaken
[05:16] <Laibsch> misinterpreted
[05:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #95536 in rosetta "Ingreso a Una cuenta Diferente" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95536
[08:29] <jussi01> good morning all
[08:31] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[08:31] <jussi01> are there any launchpad admins around?
[08:32] <jussi01> I would like to be a beta tester, I just applied on launch pad...
[08:37] <mpt> LeeJunFan, the problem of the missing Actions menu is a problem in KHTML that I've been trying to work around for the past week or so
[08:37] <mpt> I thought it happened only with Safari, I didn't know it happened with Konqueror too
[08:37] <mpt> The annoying thing is that it's usually fixed by a reload, so it's hard to test any fix :-)
[08:37] <LeeJunFan> mpt: ah, at least I know.
[08:38] <LeeJunFan> mpt: I sometimes have to reload a few times to get it right.
[08:39] <LeeJunFan> mpt: well, I've got a page src saved of a failed session if it would be any help?
[08:41] <mpt> LeeJunFan, not unless it's a complete page with the CSS+images all saved locally
[08:41] <mpt> (can Konqueror do that?)
[08:41] <LeeJunFan> mpt: I don't think so.
[08:43] <LeeJunFan> mpt: well, there's an archive feature but it appears to redownload everything rather than just saving what's already loaded, so it's probably not accurate.
[08:44] <mpt> hmmmmm
[08:44] <LeeJunFan> mpt: well, it looks like it worked. It creates some kind of web archive .war file, and the one I have doesn't load everything.
[08:44] <mpt> Cool, mail it to mpt at canonical.com
[08:45] <mpt> Now I think about it, it might actually be a side-effect of the > bullets I added to the menu
[08:45] <LeeJunFan> mpt: okay, it's just a .gz
[08:45] <mpt> because they use funky floats and negative margins that might be confusing KHTML
[08:45] <mpt> and I'm going to reimplement them in a way that doesn't use negative margins
[08:49] <LeeJunFan> yeah, it's definately not in the html, the page I saved by itself doesn't always reproduce the problem, but the archive one does.
[08:50] <mpt> interesting
[08:50] <mpt> some sort of timing issue, then, depending on how quickly the CSS arrives relative to the HTML
[09:05] <LeeJunFan> mpt: yeah, this is weird. The html is actually missing from the source for the menu's when the page doesn't load, it's like khtml is just tossing parts out.
[09:14] <mpt> That's even more interesting
[09:15] <mpt> Because in Safari, IIRC, the source is still there, it's just not rendered
[10:10] <popey> zoiks
[10:10] <popey> internal server error 500
[11:15] <mpt> GARRRRRRRGH
[11:15] <LaserJock> uh oh
[11:15] <LaserJock> that's not a good sign
[11:16] <mpt> I am rather displeased
[11:17] <mpt> when Launchpad lets me go to the "Mark bug report as a duplicate" page, and fill out the form, and submit, when it knows damn well that it's not going to let me mark it as a duplicate because other bugs happen to be a duplicate of it
[11:17] <mpt> It's cruelty, that's what it is.
[11:19] <LaserJock> mpt: I could show you some other LP cruelty if it'll make you feel better ;-)
[11:19] <mpt> ooh, yes please
[11:20] <mpt> because at least I know the can't-duplicate problem is reported
[11:20] <mpt> but the other cruelty might not be
[11:20] <LaserJock> heh
[11:20] <LaserJock> I think most of the cruelty I know of is already reported
[11:20] <LaserJock> I've got a new one though I need to work on in a minute
[11:21] <LaserJock> once I've gotten through my LP bugmail
[11:21] <nixternal> mpt: I know the feeling. I went through it last night
[11:21] <nixternal> take all of the bugs that were marked as a duplicate, and moving them to the original, one-by-one
[11:23] <LaserJock> doing what?
[11:24] <mpt> nixternal, yeah, that's what I've been doing for the past 7 minutes
[11:24] <mpt> (which should, really, take me 20 seconds)
[11:25] <nixternal> yup, I think if you mark one that already has duplicates, they should all follow suit, which I am sure you think the same on that one
[11:26] <LaserJock> nixternal: so you are marking a bug with dups as a dup?
[11:26] <nixternal> I was dupin' dupes, that had dupes of dupes
[11:27] <LaserJock> mpt: has there been any thought to a "mass change" web interface?
[11:27] <nixternal> well, there was a bug report that was excellent, and then there were others that had been duped already that weren't as good, so I wanted to link them as dupes of the good one
[11:27] <mpt> LaserJock, unfortunately not
[11:27] <LaserJock> I was kinda thinking about it the other day
[11:27] <mpt> nixternal, are you auditioning to be the next Ellen Feiss?
[11:28] <mpt> "it was a really really good paper^Wbug report"
[11:28] <mpt> "so then I had to dupe it again and it wasn't as good"
[11:28] <LaserJock> like if a person had a file with a list of bugs to act on, then in the web interface you could  mark what actions to take
[11:28] <nixternal> haha
[11:30] <LaserJock> nixternal: you just work on the wrong packages ;-)
[11:30] <nixternal> I know where you are going with that
[11:30] <LaserJock> the stuff I work on, you're lucky if you get a bug report, period
[11:30] <LaserJock> nixternal: nah, I could have
[11:30] <nixternal> LaserJock: that's because Microsoft doesn't do bug reports for the general public to work on ;p
[11:30] <LaserJock> I was thinking science packages
[11:31] <LaserJock> nixternal: I don't do MS, just Apple
[11:31] <nixternal> just as bad, but prettier
[11:31] <LaserJock> not as bad, and way cooler
[11:32] <LaserJock> :p
[11:32] <mpt> Apple has a weird system where registered developers can report bugs, and see their own but not anyone else's
[11:41] <LaserJock> what is a "pillar" in LP?
[11:44] <mpt> A product^Wproject, project^Wproject group, distribution, or person
[11:45] <mpt> The basic types of thing that Launchpad revolves around
[11:45] <mpt> It's a play on T. E. Lawrence's "Seven pillars of wisdom"
[11:46] <mpt> Meetings are kind of a semi-pillar
[11:46] <mpt> A balustrade, perhaps
[11:47] <mpt> baluster, rather
[11:49] <LaserJock> oh, I see
[11:49] <mpt> It's an implementation term, you shouldn't see it except in bug reports about Launchpad
[11:49] <LaserJock> right
[11:49] <LaserJock> I'm going through the bugmail and wondered
[12:12] <SteveA> 22:45 < mpt> It's a play on T. E. Lawrence's "Seven pillars of wisdom"
[12:12] <SteveA> ???
[12:14] <SteveA> I think architectural metaphors have existed for a long time before either Launchpad or T. E. Lawrence


[00:24] <djsiegel> MDC2: what's up
[15:10] <djsiegel3> vish!
[15:11] <djsiegel3> vish: paper cuts are not to be marked invalid because the are fixed upstream!
[15:15] <vish> djsiegel3: hmm , yup ...
[15:16] <vish> djsiegel3: which bug did i mark invalid? i marked one fix released but didnt assign milestone..
[15:16] <djsiegel3> shoot I closed it...
[15:34] <vish> djsiegel3: the archive behavior works as expected.. are you facing a problem with it?
[15:34] <djsiegel3> can you link me?
[15:35] <vish> djsiegel3: Bug 503690 , there is no bug there , even pedro can reproduce it
[15:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 503690 in hundredpapercuts "Cannot Extract in File Roller When Using Default Location" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503690
[15:35] <djsiegel3> hmm
[15:36] <vish> oops , pedro cant*
[15:37] <djsiegel3> ok
[15:37] <djsiegel3> I can't
[15:40] <vish> djsiegel3: ah.. the nautilus bug... not sure , how i marked it invalid , i was intending to mark it fix released along with nautilus.. :s .. nice catch :)
[16:46] <MDC2> djsiegel3, well.... still busy with a lot of different things at work and at home...
[16:47] <djsiegel3> MDC2: I was just wondering if sometime your could give me a tutorial on your Nautilus work
[16:48] <MDC2> djsiegel, hmm.. like what i've done?
[16:48] <djsiegel> like what you've done, how you set up your build
[16:48] <djsiegel> I just want to get in the mindset of someone who was fixed some paper cuts, see your process
[16:49] <MDC2> hehe.. alright, i'll see what i can do :)
[16:49] <MDC2> bbl, food
[18:06] <djsiegel> mccann: hey
[18:06] <mccann> yo djsiegel
[18:06] <djsiegel> mccann: can we have a phone chat?
[18:07] <djsiegel> mccann: oh maybe we can try to empathize each other
[18:07] <mccann> empathize? you mean IM?
[18:08] <djsiegel> mccann: I mean voice chat
[18:09] <mccann> futuristic :)  I'm not sure I'm set up for that
[18:09] <mccann> phone is probably better
[18:09] <djsiegel> ok, great
[18:09] <djsiegel> can I haveyour number and call you in 5?
[18:10] <djsiegel> btw, everyone in here, my cell # +1<PHONE_NUMBER> if you ever want an old-fashioned chat
[19:07] <MDC2> "old-fashioned chat"... :)


[00:09] <Kano> hi, what should ifneq ($(wildcard /CurrentlyBuilding),) do?
[00:09] <Kano> i think this line must be wrong
[00:11] <Kano> there is no * in the wildcard function so it is always /CurrentlyBuilding
[00:12] <Kano> or not?
[00:16] <Kano> in any case i dont understand if you want to raise the concurrency level only if it is buildd or not
[00:16] <Kano> it is basically never raised if you compile it normally
[00:17] <Kano> wi would completely get rid of that check...
[00:17] <crimsun_> johanbr: I've purchased some bluetooth gear and will be troubleshooting the audio issues this weekend.
[00:18] <Kano> btsco?
[00:30] <crimsun_> Kano: the entire BT stack.
[00:32] <Kano> but if you like to have that wildcard check it seem you negated it wrong
[00:32] <Kano> the n is too much
[00:48] <Kano> crimsun_: what do you say about the check??? why do you need a file/dir /CurrentlyBuilding to compile multithreaded???
[00:49] <Kano> ps aux|grep -e -j
[00:49] <Kano> shows 1 when it does not exist
[00:49] <crimsun_> Kano: I'm not familiar with the build infrastructure or any hacks to enable features.
[00:49] <Kano> look into 0-common-vars.mk
[00:49] <Kano> stupid ^10
[01:12] <johanbr> crimsun_: That's excellent news. The different developers (bluez/pulse/voip apps) seem to agree that continued rapid opening and closing of the alsa device causes many of the problems seen by users. But they have different opinions on whose problem this is. :)
[01:18] <johanbr> crimsun_: In particular, I'd be grateful if you could try using the Twinkle voip app with a bluetooth sco headset, connected via the bluez audio service. There's a thread about this at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/twinklephone/ (pardon the yahoo).
[01:18] <johanbr> And feel free to ping me if I can help with any testing.
[01:37] <Kano> rtg: http://kanotix.com/files/kernel/kernel-update-pack-generic/source/xpad-2.6.24.patch
[01:37] <Kano> rtg: that finally works...
[01:37] <Kano> selfmade
[01:55] <Kano> please add
[02:02] <Kano> Joystick (RedOctane Guitar Hero X-plorer) has 8 axes (X, Y, Z, Rx, Ry, Rz, Hat0X, Hat0Y)
[02:02] <Kano> and 13 buttons (BtnX, BtnY, BtnZ, BtnTL, BtnTR, BtnTL2, BtnTR2, BtnSelect, BtnThumbR, ?, ?, ?, BackBtn).
[02:03] <Kano> rtg: the patch works..
[02:03] <Kano> but, amd74xx has still the same pci ids as pata_amd which is really bad
[02:04] <Kano> remove em from amd74xx
[02:05] <Kano> or backlist amd74xx
[02:05] <Kano> if you really add it
[02:05] <Kano> or dont compile it
[02:05] <Kano> because both share the same id
[02:06] <Kano> so if you like you could also update mit
[03:37] <patko> sans xserver ça ne marche pas non plus
[03:37] <patko> obligé de tout copier à la mian
[03:38] <patko> ooops, wrong box, sorry
[10:36] <bullgard4> How to explain that systool considers acpi a sysfs bus?
[13:24] <lkolbe> ahem, I'm building the kernel from git (with local patches; feisty-gittree) and get this:
[13:24] <lkolbe> make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/buildd/linux-source-2.6.20-2.6.20/debian/build/build-386'
[13:24] <lkolbe> Checking module listings...
[13:24] <lkolbe> Modules have gone missing:
[13:24] <lkolbe> affs amd-k7-agp amd-rng a[...]
[13:24] <lkolbe> When he tries to build the modules it just bails out :(
[13:26] <lkolbe> feel free to answer when I'm away, I'll have a look here on monday :)
[13:34] <scar8> hello. will hdaps support be included in kernel? i cant make it work under Gutsy. i tried the patches from thinkwiki.org but they r for older kernel versions. Is it the right channel to ask this?
[18:57] <cody-somerville> Is the kernel team going to fix bug #190410?
[18:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190410 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[hardy] avm-fritz-firmware-2.6.24-7 is referenced, but package repositories include only avm-fritz-firmware-2.6.17-6" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190410


[16:50] <chitta2019> ADB not responding. If you'd like to retry, then please manually kill "adb" and click 'Restart'
[16:51] <chitta2019> anyone plz help
[16:52] <chitta2019> the error is coming in Android Studio


[12:06] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: hi! do you recall a user from the forums saying he had problem booting his system (possibly windows) after using Maverick live from USB ?
[12:07] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: I had the same issue yesterday. after I shut my laptop from maverick USB, there was a 'terminal style/dos style' message that I should instert a boot device or something like that
[12:08] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: I freaked out a bit, but I restarted by laptop and explicitly chose (the only device) from the boot list, my hdd -- and it booted!
[12:08] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: strangely enough, when booting my laptop today -- I had the same issue, so I selected the hdd and it booted. this sounds bad..
[13:33] <duffydack> that sounds crazy... maybe a bug in the liveusb creator.. I just dump the isos on the stick and use that way..simpler
[14:16] <mkarnicki> duffydack: indeed I used the liveusb creator. what do you mean by 'dump the iso on the stick' ?
[14:18] <duffydack> gujin bootloader, 700mb partition for each iso, cat iso > /dev/sdb2.. I have a large stick :)
[14:23] <mkarnicki> duffydack: neat..
[14:23] <duffydack> could use grub2 with loop but its not as compatible with as many live things...
[14:24] <mkarnicki> duffydack: do you have to cat > or is it sufficient to throw that iso onto the stick in the file.iso form?
[14:25] <duffydack> no, cat.  basically writes the iso fs to it..
[14:25] <mkarnicki> I see, thanks. sounds cool to have more then 1 distro on the stick.
[14:26] <duffydack> i have clonezilla, sysrecue, ubuntu 10.04 i386/amd, fedora, 10.10 amd64/386 and an encrypted partition for my home backups.
[14:27] <duffydack> then when i upgrade it, dev/zero the partition, and cat another
[14:27] <duffydack> http://psychoticspoon.blogspot.com/2009/01/booting-multiple-livecds-from-single.html    long winded.. its only like 4 commands.
[14:35] <mkarnicki> duffydack: thanks !!
[14:36] <mkarnicki> duffydack: seems you're good in that stuff, one question if I may. I have to install win7 along my ubuntu. how can I recover overwritten mbr (as I suppose win7 will do so). shoud I dd first bytes of my drive and then use live usb to recover that?
[14:36] <mkarnicki> duffydack: awesome link by the way
[14:36] <duffydack> just grub-install /dev/sda
[14:36] <mkarnicki> I mean, very instructive.
[14:36] <mkarnicki> duffydack: even if it's grub2 ?
[14:37] <duffydack> yup
[14:37] <mkarnicki> i'm on 10.04 and I think it's grub2
[14:37] <mkarnicki> duffydack: thanks!
[14:37] <duffydack> as long as boot files already exist, all it needs is grub puttin back
[14:37] <duffydack> umm
[14:37] <mkarnicki> I always had MBR overwritten whenever I *had* to install windows..
[14:37] <duffydack> then once booted to ubuntu, update-grub
[14:38] <mkarnicki> so I want to play it right this time xD
[14:38] <duffydack> to get win7 in your list
[14:38] <mkarnicki> duffydack: aha :) awesome, thank you very much!
[14:38]  * mkarnicki notes it down
[14:38] <duffydack> booted to your install, not the livecd.
[14:38] <mkarnicki> right :)
[14:38] <mkarnicki> all clear, thanks!
[14:39] <duffydack> could go the chroot route, but this is simpler.
[14:39] <duffydack> I dont know a great deal. just what I need to.
[14:40] <mkarnicki> duffydack: I once had to chroot to recover my encrypted home. it wasn't something I'd like to repeat ;)
[14:40] <mkarnicki> hehehe
[14:42] <mkarnicki> duffydack: ok, one last question then! it's good to have a knowlegable person around :) -- what's the best way to have a fresh 10.10 install (I have 10.04 now) having ecrypted home work on the new system. have you ever had the same problem?
[14:42] <mkarnicki> I know that fresh install can be somewhat better then dist-upgrade
[14:45] <duffydack> I always fresh install.  its quick enough and leaves the headaches behind..  if home is seperate then I guess, if it works with the same with encrypted, just leave it as it is, dont format.
[14:45] <duffydack> Inve never tried it with encrypted tho
[14:45] <duffydack> ive*
[14:46] <duffydack> I`d test it in a vm first.
[14:46] <mkarnicki> I'll recheck that twice before I'll perform fresh install. Worst nightmare would be to recover 100gig encrypted home
[14:46] <mkarnicki> duffydack: great idea!!
[14:46] <mkarnicki> duffydack: thanks a bundle, you've been much help (even tho I was off-topic :) )
[14:47] <duffydack> yeah, you're better off asking in #ubuntu
[14:47] <duffydack> for a definate answer.. I`m not sure tbh
[14:47] <mkarnicki> duffydack: I will :) have a great day!
[14:48] <duffydack> k
[14:58]  * duffydack is trying it in a vm.. curious.
[15:00]  * mkarnicki planned that for after few days :)
[15:01] <duffydack> if it dont then an upgrade will have to do.. not sure how it handle the 'older' gnome files in home with a fresh install.
[15:07] <mkarnicki> duffydack: i'll check that in the vm, too :) that's a great idea.
[15:12] <duffydack> installed lucid, made  few adjustments, now installing maverick fresh but told it to use the existing /home but not format..... lets see
[15:14] <duffydack> well, when asking for username setup.. the require my pass to decrypt home is greyed out/selected... good sign..
[15:22] <mkarnicki> sounds good :)
[15:22] <duffydack> well it booted ok, and is using the wallpaper, no sound theme, font scheme and other modifications i made on lucid.
[15:22] <mkarnicki> and the files under /home ?
[15:22] <duffydack> just a matter of installing the apps again and all would be right in the world.
[15:22] <duffydack> home is untouched...
[15:22] <mkarnicki> that's awesome :)
[15:23] <duffydack> so, basically, its looking as easy as 123
[15:23] <mkarnicki> that's really awesome, thanks :D indeed!
[16:37] <benste> hi, iirc ubuntuone store is based on 7digital isn't it ?
[16:37] <benste> sadly the search function doesn't work in the same way, wanted to bux the following album which is on 7digital
[16:37] <mkarnicki> benste: yes
[16:37] <benste> http://de.7digital.com/artists/b-o-b/b-o-b-presents-the-adventures-of-bobby-ray-2/04-Airplanes-%5Bfeat-Hayley-Williams-of-Paramore%5D-%28Explicit-Album-Version%29/
[16:37] <benste> but can't find this in ubuntuone
[16:38] <benste> need your help searching it
[16:38] <mkarnicki> benste: the store is regionalised - the only idea I have that would explain why the album is not availibie *via the store*
[16:38] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: benste's got question ↑
[16:40] <benste> mkarnicki: what a mess, I moved to belgium a few weeks ago and can't buy those which i could in germany :-)
[16:41] <benste> looks like i'll have to set up a proxy at school or else were - taking a look whether it's available via the belgium 7digital store
[16:41] <benste> mkarnicki: it's not a localisation problem
[16:41] <benste> it's available there too
[16:42] <benste> but +2€ expensive
[16:42] <benste> btw. what was the name for the staging server - for opening the store directly in the browser ?
[16:45] <benste> mkarnicki: duanedesign which country are you from - could you try searching for this album on your stores ?
[16:59] <benste> mkarnicki:  duanedesign indeed using JAP now, it's a country specific issue
[17:00] <benste> guess I'm beginning to hate 7digital
[17:00] <benste> thanks for your help
[17:58] <mkarnicki> too bad I had to go away :<
[20:09] <levu> hi i found a bug in evolution-desktopcouch and have a possibility to fix it (it prevents you from importing contact into the Ubuntu One addressbook) so what should i do with the patch?
[20:20] <beuno> levu, hi!
[20:20] <beuno> file a bug, attach the patch
[20:21] <levu> ok, well, but i think this can be an upstream problem...
[20:21] <beuno> levu, as in on evolution?
[20:22] <levu> beuno: in evolution-couchdb, i dont know if this is just an ubuntu project or an upstream gnome project
[20:22] <levu> in the evolution channel is just silence, i wanted to ask them
[20:22] <beuno> levu, this is an upstream project we maintain
[20:23] <levu> beuno: ok, so i attach the patch asap (i just have to do the diff ;))
[20:23] <beuno> so if you file the bug with the patch, I'll make sure the right people look at it tomorrow (hola Chipaca!)
[20:23] <beuno> levu, yeap, or a bzr branch if you've poked at it in bzr
[20:24] <levu> beuno: i got the source via apt-get source and fixed it locally
[20:25] <beuno> levu, cool, so a patch is great then
[20:25] <levu> beuno: just to be sure: i do just an diff -u old new, right?
[20:26] <beuno> levu, yeap
[20:26] <levu> beuno: ok :)
[20:26] <beuno> thanks levu
[20:30] <levu> beuno: i have problems with opera surfing ubuntu.com, all pages just don't load, all other browsers work, is there a know issue?
[20:31] <beuno> levu, not that I knwo of
[20:42] <levu> beuno: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-couchdb/+bug/473616/
[20:42] <ubot4> levu: Error: Bug #473616 is private.
[20:42] <levu> it is open since nearly one year and it is not yet fixed...
[20:42] <beuno> levu, awesome, thanks
[20:43] <levu> and @ubot4: this patch is public here :)
[20:43] <levu> and i know ubot4 is an bot :D
[20:43] <levu> beuno: no problem, if there is another bug i also try to fix it :)
[20:44] <beuno> \o/
[20:48] <levu> beuno: bye