[00:35] <gry> hi! why does xubuntu have a kvirc 4.1.1 in repos if latest stable is 4.0.4?
[00:36] <GridCube> dunno, its just there
[00:37] <GridCube> gry, i think that kvirc is qt based?
[00:37] <GridCube> like a kde thing?
[00:37] <gry> yes
[00:37] <GridCube> then its probably some kubuntu decission
[00:37] <GridCube> we share the same repos
[00:41] <gry> will ask them; thank you
[00:43] <aguitel> GridCube, what the correct way to install libreoffice in xubuntu?
[00:43] <GridCube> sudo apt-get install libreoffice
[00:43] <GridCube> that did it for me
[00:43] <aguitel> only this?
[00:44] <aguitel> ok
[00:44] <GridCube> you can search it on USC, or Synaptic if you want
[00:44] <aguitel> ok
[00:44] <GridCube> aguitel, you can update before like
[00:44] <GridCube> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install libreoffice
[00:44] <aguitel> yes i know
[00:44] <aguitel> i did the update
[00:45] <GridCube> :)
[00:46] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/kvirc That looks a bit messed up.
[01:57] <riddlebox> hello, I read that xfce does window tiling but I cannot find out how to do it or set it so that it does it?
[01:59] <Boogerhead> Hello! I'm trying to get the custom action in the file manager working, to rotate a JPG 90 degrees. I've tried; it doesn't work. Any idea where to start diagnosing what went wrong?
[06:45] <szerzetes> hi!
[06:46] <szerzetes> I have an Acer Aspire 5110 notbook, I installed an Xubuntu 12.04, my touchpad is works fine, but i want to use tap zone
[06:46] <szerzetes> where or how can is set it?
[06:48] <baizon> szerzetes: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1875057
[07:27] <whitman> I've just replaced my graphics card (both nvidia) and now after I enter my login details X seems to try to start but then I get bumped back to the login screen. Suggestions?
[07:28] <baizon> whitman: check messages
[07:29] <baizon> whitman: are you using the proprietary drivers
[07:29] <baizon> ?
[07:29] <whitman> I am
[07:29] <baizon> then try to uninstall them
[07:29] <baizon> and install again
[07:31] <whitman> Ok, I'll try it once apt has finished.
[07:41] <szerzetes> baizon, big thanx! :)
[07:42] <baizon> np
[07:47] <whitman> I can't see any errors in Xorg.log or dmesg.
[07:52] <baizon> whitman: so
[07:53] <baizon> have you uninstalld the drivers?
[07:55] <whitman> Hmm, I've just rebooted (a few times) without changing anything and it's fine now.
[07:58] <baizon> whitman: so did you made apt-get upgrade?
[07:58] <baizon> that could fix the problem too :P
[07:58] <whitman> It could, but I only saw libreoffice updates :)
[07:59] <whitman> Either way, it's working so I'm happy.
[08:08] <metals> Hi
[08:08] <metals> where can I change the system sound settings?
[08:35] <gordonjcp> Myrtti: morning
[08:35] <gordonjcp> is gmusicbrowser normally slow to start up?
[08:36] <Myrtti> gordonjcp: moin
[08:36] <gordonjcp> oh, I give up
[08:36] <gordonjcp> an hour later and it still hasn't actually given me the option to play any musci
[08:36] <gordonjcp> *music
[08:49] <xubuntu763> Hi Xubunters! :-)
[08:49] <aquix> hello :)
[08:50] <xubuntu763> What are your impressions on the new Xubuntu 12.04
[08:50] <xubuntu763> ?
[08:51] <aquix> I like it a lot. Runs pretty stable and no real bugs I have detected.
[08:53] <gordonjcp> crap, so far
[08:53]  * baizon xubuntu 12.04 + xfce 4.10
[08:53] <gordonjcp> "papercutty"
[08:53] <baizon> loving it :)
[08:53] <gordonjcp> slow, crashy, tiny fonts, no working media player
[08:54] <baizon> gordonjcp: so your doing something wrong
[08:54] <gordonjcp> baizon: it's a stock install
[08:54] <aquix> gordonjcp there are a million media players in the repos
[08:54] <gordonjcp> aquix: yes, but the one shipped in xubuntu doesn't work
[08:55] <aquix> system fonts can be changed, I recommend droid sans, looks good.
[08:55] <gordonjcp> *I* know there are dozens of media players, less experienced users may not
[08:55] <aquix> slow and crashy I don't see.
[08:55] <baizon> gordonjcp: im using smplayer for videos and clementine for music
[08:55] <gordonjcp> it's using droid sans by default, the fonts are tiny and hard to read
[08:55] <gordonjcp> firefox is hellish
[08:55] <aquix> installing and removing programs is the first thing one learns, new users are not the problem
[08:56] <aquix> firefox can be tricky on all machines no matter what OS
[08:56] <gordonjcp> aquix: right, but my point is more that out of the box it can't really play audio files
[08:56] <baizon> indeed
[08:56] <gordonjcp> it's been chuntering away for a couple of hours now scanning my mp3s and oggs
[08:57] <gordonjcp> maybe 1000 albums or so
[08:57] <aquix> I have a long apt-get install I run on new installs, never use stock install really.
[08:57] <aquix> wht music player gordonjcp ?
[08:57] <gordonjcp> gmusicbrowser, which is what comes packaged with xubuntu
[08:58] <aquix> yeah, I don't like that.
[08:58] <aquix> I use clementine. It's buggy and Qt but I still like it :)
[08:58] <gordonjcp> also there's a strange bug that I trigger often but can't replicate where when I click on a window, it sees this is as a grab move
[08:58] <arpad2> hi
[08:58] <gordonjcp> so I end up dragging the window around
[08:59] <aquix> rhythmbox is also alright I guess
[08:59] <arpad2> I have bought a card reader, but I can't see that xubuntu reconises it
[09:00] <baizon> arpad2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonAccessCard
[09:00] <gordonjcp> rhythmbox is crap
[09:01] <baizon> indeed
[09:01] <baizon> i love clementine :)
[09:01] <aquix> +1
[09:01] <gordonjcp> I thought that when it was going to be included in 12.04, Canonical would get some people to fix it up a bit
[09:01] <gordonjcp> but no
[09:01] <gordonjcp> they've packaged up its reanimated corpse and stuck it in the default install
[09:02] <gordonjcp> here's a cracking bug in rhythmbox
[09:02] <gordonjcp> you'll laugh when you hear this, it's hilarious
[09:02] <aquix> software included discussions is a minefield.
[09:02] <baizon> gordonjcp: xubuntu is a community version not canonical
[09:02] <gordonjcp> if it decides it can't play a file, like maybe it doesn't have a codec or something
[09:02] <gordonjcp> guess what it does
[09:02] <gordonjcp> deletes the file
[09:02] <baizon> and canonical is making unity not all software that comes with ubuntu
[09:02] <aquix> gordonjcp really?
[09:02] <gordonjcp> baizon: yes, but they have maintainers for their packages
[09:02] <gordonjcp> aquix: yup
[09:02] <aquix> sounds bad
[09:03] <gordonjcp> so spark up rhythmbox on a stock Ubuntu install without mp3 codecs, watch it blow away your library
[09:03] <aquix> lol, you'd think they fix that bug first
[09:04] <aquix> or, they probably have had some rants in their irc channel, I would guess
[09:09] <aquix> gordonjcp  your firefox, does it behave differently depending on the session?  (between reboots)
[09:20] <gordonjcp> aquix: what, between unity and xfce?
[09:20] <gordonjcp> haven't tried
[09:21] <aquix> no
[09:22] <aquix> I have a laptop that I noticed on some boots firefox made the fan go crazy, and some it was silents as a sleeping kitten.   but that went away
[09:22] <aquix> unity? no tanks
[09:22] <gordonjcp> oh, okay
[09:22] <gordonjcp> weird
[09:22] <gordonjcp> I quite like unity
[09:23] <aquix> good for you :)
[09:23] <gordonjcp> it's just not very good on small screens
[09:23] <aquix> it doesn't scale well?
[09:24] <aquix> about firefox, lovinglinux at ubuntuforums is a firefox expert and have some very usefull tutorials here: http://webgapps.org/groups/firefox/docs/
[09:42] <xubuntu561> hi
[09:43] <xubuntu561> alguien que hable español que me pueda ayudar, por favor?
[09:43] <Unit193> !es
[09:44] <xubuntu561> thanks
[09:49] <baizon> !pl
[09:51] <aquix> hmmm
[09:51] <aquix> !no
[09:51] <aquix> cool bot feature
[09:53] <baizon> :)
[12:34] <xubuntu307> hi all, which xfce version is used in xubuntu 12.04?
[12:35] <babble> 4.8
[12:36] <babble> there's a 4.10 ppa or I have built packages for 64-bit
[12:36] <xubuntu307> thanks alot! :-)
[12:37] <babble> the ppa from the xubuntu dev team is here:
[12:37] <babble> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.10
[12:38] <babble> my builds are here:
[12:38] <babble> http://sourceforge.net/projects/babble777.u/files/xfce-4.10-daily/
[12:43] <xubuntu307> thank you very much - i was concerned that 4.10 (and its features) are not included in the current xubuntu release but with the ppa in mind i will give xubuntu a try. :-)
[12:45] <babble> it's not a huge change from 4.8
[12:45] <babble> the xfce folks go for incremental improvements rather than sweeping changes.
[12:45] <babble> though things like a proper MIME editor in 4.10 are handy, I must say
[12:49] <babble> sigh.
[12:49] <babble> ambient aphex twin tracks and a McDonald's commercial really don't go together.
[12:49] <babble> eek. wrong window.
[12:50] <pornolab> hi, could u plz tell me how to set the key-combination to switch between keyboard layouts? I have two layouts but dunno where to go to se the key-combination (xubuntu 12.04)
[12:51] <babble> You can use the keyboard layout switcher plugin for one thing.
[12:51] <babble> Give me a moment and I'll dig through xfconf and see if there's a keyboard setting for it
[12:52] <babble> it looks like they keyboard shortcut xfconf key only exists in 4.10
[12:53] <pornolab> ok
[14:03] <REK_007> unless i disconnect my headphone from the front jack my speakers wont work which are connected to the rear IO panel jack... any solutions?
[14:19] <babble> REK_007: have you tried switching the output device in PulseAudio Volume Control?
[14:32] <REK_007> yeah babble
[14:33] <babble> try killing pulseaudio (alt-f2, then pulseaudio -k)
[14:33] <babble> then make sure your output device (headphones or speakers) is where you want it
[14:33] <REK_007> how do i ensure that?
[14:34] <REK_007> i can tell it used to work fine on ubuntu 10.04 from which i upgraded .. if it helps
[14:40] <cpuwolf> why my xubuntu 12.4 takes so long time before splash screen shows up
[14:50] <cpuwolf> hi
[16:03] <lucky86> Does anyone know how to change the aspect ratio in 12.4 xfce?
[16:03] <penreturns> system setting rite?
[16:04] <penreturns> >appearance
[16:04] <penreturns> sory > Display
[16:04] <aquix> aspect ratio changes with the resolution
[16:05] <lucky86> under display i only have resolution and default monitor
[16:06] <GridCube> lucky86, install arandr
[16:06] <GridCube> lucky86, arandr is a xrandr front end
[16:06] <lucky86> I have a wide screen monitor and every thing gets streched
[16:06] <GridCube> if you trype xrandr
[16:06] <GridCube> in a terminal it tells you all the available resolutions
[16:06] <GridCube> if then you do xrandr -s numberxnumber
[16:07] <GridCube> then you set that resolution, arandr helps you there
[16:07] <penreturns> r u install it under vm>
[16:07] <lucky86> in snaptic?
[16:07] <GridCube> oooo
[16:07] <GridCube> virtual machine
[16:07] <GridCube> install the virtual machine metapackage
[16:08] <GridCube> in any case, sudo apt-get install arandr
[16:11] <X-Phips> hey, i want to mount my Win-partition to xubuntu
[16:12] <GridCube> good :)
[16:12] <X-Phips> yes, :d i but i want to edit, read, etc all the files in win + xubuntu
[16:13] <X-Phips> i have already command "sudo fdisk -l" in terminal
[16:13] <X-Phips> result
[16:13] <X-Phips> /dev/sda1              63    12579839     6289888+   c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[16:13] <X-Phips> /dev/sda2   *    12579840   312560639   149990400    7  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
[16:14] <X-Phips> i think that the win is in FAT32
[16:14] <X-Phips> is that right?
[16:14] <penreturns> ntfs
[16:14] <penreturns> sda2
[16:14] <X-Phips> ok, sda1 is then xubuntu?
[16:15] <aquix> pastebin.com          the output from   sudo fdisk -l
[16:15] <aquix> sda2 have 3 partitions it looks like
[16:15] <lucky86> do  I understand that if i put in: xrandr -s 1360x768 it will invoke that resolution?
[16:16] <lucky86> sorry to inturrupt
[16:16] <aquix> can't you find that resolution in    settings -> display?
[16:16] <lucky86> no
[16:16] <aquix> you can't interupt on irc :)      5 conversations at the same time is normal
[16:17] <lucky86> Ahh your americans
[16:17] <X-Phips> hm, so what I have to do now, look for a file in /etc/fstab ?
[16:18] <aquix> americans? whats with the language?
[16:18] <lucky86> 10 americans = 5 conversations
[16:19] <aquix> X-Phips    nice guide here    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[16:19] <aquix> X-Phips  or ever better guide here:    http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountwindowsfstab
[16:20] <X-Phips> the psychocats :D
[16:20] <X-Phips> ^
[16:20] <X-Phips> ^^
[16:21] <GridCube> !fstab | X-Phips
[16:23] <X-Phips> so, next step will be creating a mount point 1ẞ1ẞ
[16:23] <X-Phips> *!?!?
[16:24] <GridCube> yes
[16:24] <aquix> mount point is just a folder where the drive will be mounted to
[16:24] <GridCube> >sudo mkdir /mount/point
[16:24] <aquix> sounds more special than it is
[16:24] <X-Phips> mhm ^^
[16:25] <X-Phips> so, sudo mkdir /windows
[16:25] <X-Phips> says Psychocat
[16:27] <X-Phips> what i have to command now, sudo mkdir /mount/point or sudo mkdir /windows ?
[16:30] <GridCube> X-Phips, /mount/point is just an example
[16:31] <X-Phips> ok, so sudo mkdir /windows (as the part. for mounting) /point
[16:32] <GridCube> :)
[16:32] <GridCube> yes that would be your mointing point
[16:33] <X-Phips> Psychocat says sth about editing the /etc/fstab -file
[16:34] <X-Phips> Ii haven't got this file in /etc/fstab.d
[16:34] <aquix> it's /etc/fstab
[16:34] <X-Phips> ah the folder
[16:35] <aquix> file fstab in folder /etc
[16:35] <X-Phips> file fstab is in /etc yes, i have it
[16:38] <X-Phips> and what should i command for the mount point, where i have to pay attention?
[16:39] <GridCube> X-Phips, do this
[16:40] <GridCube> press alt-f2 and write: gksu leafpad /etc/fstab
[16:40] <GridCube> then add to the last like this:
[16:40] <GridCube> /dev/sda2   /windows    auto   auto  0  o
[16:40] <GridCube> /dev/sda2   /windows    auto   auto  0  0
[16:40] <GridCube> that last one
[16:40] <GridCube> and then add a new empty line
[16:40] <GridCube> and then save and close and reboot
[16:42] <molgrum> my sound stopped working, i can't hear anything from videos anymore
[16:43] <X-Phips> so, i have to write "gksu leafpad /etc/fstab/dec/sda2   /windows   auto   auto   0   0"
[16:44] <GridCube> no
[16:44] <GridCube> no no no
[16:44] <GridCube> no
[16:44] <X-Phips> grrrrr
[16:45] <X-Phips> omg
[16:45] <GridCube> press alt-f2
[16:45] <X-Phips> jep :)
[16:45] <GridCube> write: gksu leafpad /etc/fstab
[16:45] <baizon> molgrum: are you using the proprietary drivers?
[16:45] <GridCube> execute that X-Phips
[16:45] <molgrum> baizon, for wlan yes, for sound no, not that i know of at least
[16:46] <baizon> molgrum: graphics card?
[16:46] <GridCube> molgrum, check on jockey-gtk
[16:46] <X-Phips> ok mom
[16:46] <GridCube> :P ok X-Phips
[16:46] <GridCube> not at the very bottom of that text file
[16:46] <GridCube> write this:
[16:46] <GridCube> /dev/sda2   /windows    auto   auto  0  0
[16:46] <X-Phips> moom :D
[16:47] <X-Phips> i'm command now this gksu ... thing ...
[16:47] <GridCube> :)
[16:47] <molgrum> baizon, GridCube, i'm only using prop for wlan, graphics card is the foss driver
[16:47] <GridCube> you might need the propietaries for those then, maybe, did sound worked before?
[16:48] <X-Phips> sry, one question: the files in win, pics, docs, can they disappear ?
[16:48] <molgrum> GridCube, yes it worked before
[16:48] <baizon> X-Phips: when your hard drive is broken :D
[16:48] <GridCube> try >sudo alsa force-reload
[16:48] <aquix> X-Phips no, worst thing that can happen is that the drive doesn't mount
[16:48] <X-Phips> hope not ;D
[16:49] <GridCube> X-Phips, no they shouldent
[16:49] <GridCube> X-Phips, did you add that line at the bottom of the text file?
[16:49] <X-Phips> ok, i have command now gksu leafpad /etc/fstab
[16:49] <molgrum> GridCube, didn't work
[16:50] <GridCube> molgrum, what does alsamixer says?
[16:50] <molgrum> ah, master is set to zero
[16:50] <GridCube> ;)
[16:50] <GridCube> theres your problem
[16:51] <X-Phips> so, "fstab" show me:
[16:51] <X-Phips> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[16:51] <X-Phips> #
[16:51] <X-Phips> # Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a
[16:51] <X-Phips> # device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices
[16:51] <X-Phips> # that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
[16:51] <X-Phips> #
[16:51] <X-Phips> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[16:51] <X-Phips> proc            /proc           proc    nodev,noexec,nosuid 0       0
[16:51] <martinphone> help: can I use find /home/dexter/downloads/1 -name 'mp_*' -exec rm {} \ ; to remove all .gif files?
[16:51] <GridCube> X-Phips,
[16:51] <GridCube> dont flood
[16:51] <GridCube> i know what it says
[16:51] <molgrum> GridCube, do i have to save the setting or does it do it automagically?
[16:52] <martinphone> -name '.gif'?
[16:52] <GridCube> it should be automagicall
[16:52] <X-Phips> CridCube: ok, and what now?
[16:53] <GridCube> at the bottom of that text file
[16:53] <GridCube> add that line:
[16:53] <GridCube> /dev/sda2   /windows    auto   auto  0  0
[16:53] <GridCube> and press enter after that, to leave an empty line
[16:53] <molgrum> thanks for the help! bye
[16:53] <X-Phips> ok moment pls
[16:53] <GridCube> :) good luck molgrum
[16:54] <X-Phips> ok, command /dev/sda2   /windows    auto   auto  0  0 and press enter
[16:54] <X-Phips> i have that now
[16:55] <GridCube> X-Phips, just to be completely sure, you didnt write the "command" word, correct, just the line as ipasted it?
[16:55] <X-Phips> yes, the line starts with: dev/...
[16:55] <GridCube> /dev
[16:55] <GridCube> ok
[16:55] <GridCube> then save the file
[16:55] <GridCube> and close that window
[16:56] <GridCube> now open a terminal, and write: sudo mount /dev/sda2
[16:56] <GridCube> and execute that
[16:56] <X-Phips> so, the slash before "dev" is directly under the slash before "host"
[16:56] <X-Phips> ok, saveing
[16:56] <X-Phips> closing
[16:57] <X-Phips> terminal
[16:57] <GridCube> yes, the / is VERY importan
[16:57] <GridCube> / means thats the root directory
[16:57] <X-Phips> commanding sudo mount /dec/sda2
[16:57] <GridCube> dev
[16:57] <X-Phips> mh, godd inform. ^^
[16:57] <GridCube> yes
[16:57] <X-Phips> dev ^^
[16:57] <X-Phips> always wrong :D
[16:58] <GridCube> :) no problem, we all had to learn at one point
[16:58] <X-Phips> ok, press enter?
[16:58] <GridCube> yep
[16:58] <X-Phips> Mount is denied because the NTFS volume is already exclusively opened.
[16:58] <X-Phips> The volume may be already mounted, or another software may use it which
[16:58] <X-Phips> could be identified for example by the help of the 'fuser' command.
[16:59] <X-Phips> ???
[16:59] <GridCube> ok
[16:59] <GridCube> that means that your folder is mounted on /media/something
[16:59] <GridCube> or disk
[16:59] <GridCube> you have that disks icons on the desktop
[17:00] <GridCube> if you open them the disks mount to /media/something
[17:00] <aquix> probably automounted and shows up in thunar
[17:00] <GridCube> now they wont anymore, they will automatically to /windows
[17:00] <GridCube> next time you reboot
[17:00] <aquix> in terminal :      mount
[17:01] <X-Phips> should i have a file in /media ?
[17:01] <GridCube> if you know where it is, nope
[17:02] <GridCube> its easier to keep it in media because, everything mounts there
[17:02] <GridCube> but not obligatory
[17:02] <GridCube> if you do wish to mount it on /media you have to: sudo mkdir /media/windows
[17:03] <X-Phips> i got to "file system" then to "media" and don't find there anything
[17:03] <GridCube> and then change fstab again and change the part that says /windows and put /media/windows there
[17:03] <X-Phips> hm, ok, so first, command sudo mkdir /media/windows
[17:04] <GridCube> X-Phips, on a terminal do this
[17:04] <GridCube> write: mount
[17:04] <GridCube> and paste the output to a pastebin
[17:04] <GridCube> !pastebin | X-Phips
[17:04] <X-Phips> second, open file "fstab" and change /windows to /media/windows
[17:04] <GridCube> yes, that should work, if you want to change the mountpoint for later
[17:05] <X-Phips> ok, open terminal ...
[17:06] <X-Phips> hm, after commanding sudo mkdir /media/windows, the terminal didn't say anything
[17:06] <X-Phips> but i have a folder in media
[17:06] <GridCube> yep
[17:06] <X-Phips> named "windows" :)
[17:06] <GridCube> thats what is should do
[17:07] <X-Phips> ok, then open fstab
[17:08] <X-Phips> and change /windows to /media/windows
[17:08] <X-Phips> ok, then save
[17:08] <X-Phips> close
[17:08] <X-Phips> and then ...
[17:08] <GridCube> yes
[17:08] <GridCube> nothing
[17:09] <GridCube> reboot
[17:09] <X-Phips> not command sudo mount /dev....
[17:09] <GridCube> its already mounted
[17:09] <GridCube> it told you so
[17:09] <GridCube> if you write: mount
[17:09] <X-Phips> mh, ok
[17:09] <GridCube> you will see where stuff is mounted alredy
[17:09] <X-Phips> so, restart, choose xubuntu
[17:10] <GridCube> thats why im asking you to pastebin theoutput that comes from executing mount
[17:10] <GridCube> you will see where stuff is
[17:11] <X-Phips> hm, i have to command in terminal "mount" !?!?
[17:12] <X-Phips> for seeing where stuff is mounted ?
[17:12] <GridCube> yes
[17:12] <X-Phips> ok, mom
[17:12] <GridCube> or df
[17:12] <X-Phips> hmm, pastebin ...
[17:13] <GridCube> !pastebin
[17:13] <X-Phips> hm, poster?
[17:13] <X-Phips> a name ?
[17:14] <GridCube> X-Phips, write whatever you want
[17:14] <GridCube> this nick you are using now for example
[17:15] <X-Phips> to late :p
[17:15] <X-Phips> http://paste.ubuntu.com/983924/
[17:15] <GridCube> oooo youre using wubi
[17:16] <X-Phips> yes, for install.
[17:16] <GridCube> then, as you see the windows partition is on /host
[17:16] <GridCube> i don't think thats a good idea to change that
[17:16] <GridCube> i have no idea how wubi works
[17:16] <GridCube> NO IDEA
[17:16] <X-Phips> f***
[17:16] <GridCube> i would delete that line from /etc/fstab just to be sure
[17:16] <X-Phips> mhm ^
[17:17] <GridCube> and you windows partition in on /host
[17:17] <GridCube> you might add a shortcut to that on your lateral panels of thunar
[17:19] <X-Phips> haha, there is that sh** :D
[17:19] <X-Phips> sry, can you say your sentence from 19:17:52 for an german again pls :)
[17:20] <GridCube> X-Phips, open thunar, go to /
[17:20] <GridCube> then drag the /host folder to the lateral panel
[17:20] <X-Phips> thunar
[17:20] <GridCube> file manager?
[17:21] <GridCube> file browser?
[17:21] <X-Phips> aah
[17:21] <X-Phips> :p
[17:21] <GridCube> its called thunar
[17:21] <X-Phips> ah, so "file system", "Dateisystem" in german
[17:22] <GridCube> yep, thats the root directory
[17:23] <GridCube> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/capturadepantalla-120512-142226.php
[17:23] <X-Phips>  /host to which panel, this named like the user?
[17:24] <X-Phips> Pic: yep, thats "Dateisystem"
[17:24] <GridCube> see that picture, all the blue folders name Documentos and such
[17:24] <GridCube> and temp and stuff, those are shortcuts
[17:24] <GridCube> i just drag a folder from the other side to there and i can easily access those with a single clic
[17:26] <X-Phips> ok, but i have to find the folder for pics etc in /host
[17:27] <GridCube> :P well yes
[17:27] <X-Phips> and drag this folder (s) to "Pictures" (Bilder), "Documents" (Dokumente) etc
[17:27] <GridCube> those follow the standard windows structure tho
[17:27] <GridCube> so :P i have no idea
[17:29] <X-Phips> hm, i can't find all the pics, some of them ...
[17:29] <X-Phips> only some of them ...
[17:29] <GridCube> again, don't know the microsoft files structure
[17:30] <GridCube> in XP it was clearer, but since them they hide a lot of folders on places i dont understand
[17:30] <X-Phips> ööhm, there is XP as first OS :p
[17:32] <GridCube> oh then your files should be like in /host/Documents and Settings/USRNAME/My Docs/My Pictures
[17:32] <GridCube> or something like that
[17:33] <X-Phips> haaaaaaaaa victory
[17:33] <X-Phips> i have them
[17:34] <X-Phips> doc and settings > HP-Besitzer (hp_owner) > my files (eigene Dateien) and there I have all of folders etc
[17:34] <X-Phips> so, drag pics into pictures
[17:34] <X-Phips> and he'll show there a link ?
[17:34] <aquix> your dutch?
[17:35] <X-Phips> german aquix
[17:35] <aquix> same same   :p
[17:35] <X-Phips> does he link or does he move ?
[17:35] <X-Phips> link?
[17:36] <GridCube> if yuou move to the side panel it will show a + symbol
[17:36] <GridCube> or a chain symbol
[17:36] <X-Phips> i try it with an test-folder
[17:36] <GridCube> it changes from time to time, it has to be the lower part of the sidepanel
[17:37] <GridCube> the upper side will try to actually move the contents
[17:37] <X-Phips> ok
[17:38] <X-Phips> i find the "test" folder in /host and pictures where i dragged it
[17:39] <GridCube> X-Phips, wait
[17:40] <X-Phips> why
[17:40] <X-Phips> ehwhats up?
[17:40] <X-Phips> -eh
[17:42] <X-Phips> problem?
[17:42] <GridCube> :P
[17:42] <GridCube> no i did a small tutorial
[17:43] <X-Phips> so, dragging is ok?
[17:44] <GridCube> http://imagebin.org/212150
[17:44] <GridCube> :D
[17:44] <GridCube> yes
[17:46] <X-Phips> and what is he doing when i add more pics to the hard drive (in Win XP) from for ex. digital camera ?
[17:47] <X-Phips> have i copy them too in Xubuntu to the panel?
[17:47] <aquix> no. when the drive is mounted you have the same exact acces both from windows and linux to the very same files
[17:49] <X-Phips> when i drag a folder called "spring 2010" from host > docs and settings > hp owner > my docs > my pictures to the side-panel in "Pictures", is that always actual bec. of mounting?
[17:51] <X-Phips> what i mean is, can i see a new folder which is (on Windows) located at "my Pictures" in xubuntu at USER > pictures without copying from /host ?
[17:51] <aquix> what host ?
[17:52] <X-Phips> äh, this host in tunar !?!?
[17:52] <X-Phips> file-system > host
[17:53] <aquix> when you mount the windows drive, it's just like any other drive. you can do all the things with it that you can with linux drives
[17:54] <aquix> and the sidebar in thunar is just shortcuts to different folders. you can add and remove them as you like.
[17:54] <X-Phips> and when i delete a folder in Win, is that folder deleted too in Xubuntu when I start Xubuntu after deleting ?
[17:55] <X-Phips> is Xubuntu bec. of the mounting always current with showing Files, Folders etc which are edited in Win ?
[17:56] <LMJ> Hi
[17:56] <aquix> yes.   It's the same hard drive, but you access it from to different OS.
[17:56] <babble> X-Phips: if you have your windows partition mounted, you're working with the files *on* that partition.
[17:56] <babble> anything you delete from there is deleted from that partition.
[17:57] <babble> it's not showing you something abstracted (or at least no more or less abstracted than when you're using that partition or disk from within windows)
[17:57] <X-Phips> althought i have copy folders in "Pict.", "Docs" etc , so in subfolders of "USER" ?
[17:57] <LMJ> When I was using Ubuntu, I could simply encrypt a usb key, when I plugged it, it ask me for the password to uncrypt and access to it. Can I do the same thing as simple as it was with xubuntu ? What is the way to do it plz ?
[17:58] <aquix> it's like an external hdd.   you can plug it into different machines and changes you make on one will follow the drive, not the machine
[17:59] <aquix> X-Phips    you mean the shortcuts in the thunar sidebar?
[18:00] <X-Phips> yes the shortcuts ^
[18:00] <babble> LMJ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemsOnRemovableStorage
[18:00] <aquix> X-Phips  thats just shortcuts to the different folders. they don't contain the data. only points to it
[18:01] <X-Phips> and the shortcuts show for ex. a new folder i have created in win, althought i haven't copy him from /host to the shortcut ?
[18:02] <aquix> hmmm, how to explain this.
[18:02] <X-Phips> ^^ yes thats the question i asked me all this time here :D
[18:03] <aquix> it can, but you have to make the shortcut.
[18:03] <X-Phips> and how to write in Engl ...
[18:03] <aquix> ah, I see
[18:03] <aquix> you drag the folder to the sidebar, but not really. it doesn't copy anything, just makes a shortcut.
[18:03] <X-Phips> aah, ok
[18:04] <aquix> so if you make a new folder in win. you have to drag it to the sidebar in thunar to make a shortcut
[18:04] <X-Phips> yes, i got that ^
[18:04] <X-Phips> and is it ok when i take the folder in "USER"
[18:04] <aquix> so your cool?
[18:04] <X-Phips> cool (h)
[18:04] <X-Phips> ;)
[18:05] <LMJ> thanks babble
[18:05] <aquix> then forward and upwards :)
[18:05] <babble> X-Phips: shortcuts in the Thunar sidebar will be just shortcuts; it won't do dynamic redirection of a folder that XP/Vista/Win7 treats as a dynamic user folder location
[18:06] <babble> LMJ: :)
[18:07] <X-Phips> when i have a folder in the mainfolder "USER" which I can't find in the shortcuts, should i take them into the sidebar folder "USER" or down in the part of the shortcuts ?
[18:07] <X-Phips> babble: so all new folders created in win want to drag into shortcut-part
[18:08] <babble> That doesn't make sense to me: you want all new folders you create in <some location> on your windows partition to automatically appear as separate shortcuts in the Thunar sidebar?
[18:08] <X-Phips> or in the mainfolder "USER"
[18:08] <aquix> no, you make the shortcuts you need by dragging the folder to the sidebar.
[18:08] <aquix> whatever folder
[18:09] <babble> Here's what's happening: when you drag a folder into the Thunar sidebar, it's adding a path to a file called gtk-bookmarks
[18:09] <babble> if the location you're trying to make into a sidebar shortcut can't be gotten to from an absolute path, that shortcut in the sidebar won't work
[18:10] <aquix> bookmarks is a good anology. it's just bookmarks
[18:10] <babble> if the location you want to use *can* be accessed as an absolute path, it will work.
[18:10] <X-Phips> ok, and much subfolders in "my pictures", where i have to drag them?
[18:10] <babble> It's difficult to understand exactly what you want
[18:10] <aquix> yeah
[18:10] <X-Phips> sry :D
[18:11] <X-Phips> ok, again
[18:11] <aquix> no worries. we blame windows, not you  :D
[18:11] <babble> certain things the Windows UI does (like Documents and Settings, or User folders) aren't absolute locations
[18:11] <aquix> brb, smokez
[18:12] <babble> (i.e. they're merged filesystems that represent two or more absolute locations that are merged together to look like a single folder)
[18:12] <X-Phips> Subfolders in "my pictures" : copy into thunar folder "USER" or into thunar shortcut "Pictures" or into empty area near by shortcuts ?
[18:12] <babble> if you want to shortcut one of those merged filesystems, that likely won't work.
[18:13] <babble> if you want to shortcut a specific folder inside your specific user folder, that will work
[18:13] <X-Phips> for example:
[18:14] <X-Phips> i had create a new folder in /host called "test". Dragged him into empty area near by shortcut (for create a new shortcut called "test"). But: don't see him in userfolder "USER"
[18:15] <babble> sidebar shortcuts aren't making aliases inside a folder on your windows partition.
[18:15] <babble> they're not aliases or symlinks in the win filesystem
[18:16] <X-Phips> aim: see the shortcut-folder "test" in the user-main-folder "USER"
[18:16] <babble> they're paths, in a file in your home folder when you're booted into Linux, as I said.
[18:16] <babble> so if you're looking for Windows style shortcuts for something you've added to the Thunar sidebar, those don't exist
[18:16] <babble> You're not listening.
[18:17] <babble> There isn't a *folder* of shortcuts on the Windows filesystem containing your Thunar sidebar shortcuts
[18:17] <babble> it's reading a *file* in your home directory that contains a set of *paths*
[18:18] <X-Phips> ok, i thing i got that
[18:18] <X-Phips> but:
[18:18] <babble> Do you understand how browser shortcuts work?
[18:18] <babble> It's similar to that.
[18:18] <babble> there's not a collection of folders stored someplace.
[18:19] <X-Phips> is it a mistake when I drag folders from /host directly to "USER"
[18:19] <X-Phips> instead of doing shortcut
[18:19] <babble> it's difficult to understand what you want, so it's hard to say if what you're doing is something you want or don't want
[18:19] <X-Phips> hmmm
[18:21] <X-Phips> i think i drag all the subfolders located in /host > Docs and ... > ... > ... > my pics in the shortcut "Pictures"
[18:21] <babble> What do you want to do?
[18:22] <X-Phips> see all the folders in the mainfolder "USER", when i open my personal folder "USER"
[18:22] <X-Phips> mmh
[18:22] <X-Phips> always this f*** explaining ...
[18:22] <X-Phips> sry
[18:24] <babble> Again, the Windows UI doesn't have absolute paths for some dynamic locations
[18:25] <babble> however, if you're browsing something mounted in Thunar, Thunar will bookmark it correctly.
[18:25] <X-Phips> ok
[18:25] <X-Phips> let it be :D
[18:25] <babble> if you're looking at a collection of folders inside your user folder in Thunar, go up one level and bookmark the containing folder.
[18:26] <babble> then, when you click that bookmark in the Thunar sidebar, it will do exactly the same thing as double clicking that containing folder to open it
[18:26] <babble> if you *can't* see what you want to get at in Thunar, but you want Thunar to do something that Windows Explorer does to show you whatever location you're trying to see,
[18:27] <babble> again, that's probably a dynamically loaded merged folder that only works correctly in the Windows UI
[18:28] <babble> for example, in XP when you're looking at Documents and Settings when logged in as your user, it's showing you the merged contents of *two* folders
[18:28] <babble> (Documents and Settings for your user, and Documents and Settings for all users)_
[18:28] <babble> Thunar won't show you that sort of merged folder view in a thing you can bookmark in the sidebar.
[18:29] <babble> My Pictures and My Documents do similar things, if I'm not mistaken
[18:30] <astraljava> Is it possible he's looking into seeing links instead of bookmarks? He talks about seeing them _inside_ this USER folder (don't really know what that is referring to, anyhoo).
[18:30] <babble> astraljava: Yeah, that's why I tried explaining that what he's adding in Thunar isn't a folder containing a list of shortcuts or symlinks.
[18:31] <astraljava> babble: Yep. Can you create links (as in `ln -s`) in Thunar somehow?
[18:31] <babble> astraljava: sure, but dragged shortcuts in Thunar to the sidebar are paths in gtk-bookmarks
[18:31] <astraljava> I get that. But how do you create links, then?
[18:32] <babble> Ctrl-Shift on drag in Thunar
[18:32]  * astraljava is not on a linux box ATM so can't check.
[18:32] <astraljava> Right.
[18:33] <babble> but from what I can gather of his explanation, he's not seeing everything he's used to inside what I suspect is a merged folder in the Windows UI
[18:33] <babble> he keeps referring to his pictures folder inside his user folder.
[18:33] <astraljava> Right. Well, just a thought. You're doing a good job, please carry on. :)
[18:38] <X-Phips> i see, i can't edit files because the "owner" is root
[18:39] <X-Phips> what to do / is that normal ?
[18:40] <babble> are you attempting to bookmark a location on a windows partition that's mounted inside linux?
[18:40] <X-Phips> editing files in shortcut-folders
[18:41] <babble> that doesn't make sense to me.
[18:41] <X-Phips> i cant delete files in shortcut-folders
[18:41] <babble> where is the folder shortcut-folders located? can you give me an absolute path to whatever you're looking at?
[18:43] <X-Phips> the shortcuts are from /host > docs and settings > hp owner > my files > my docs
[18:43] <babble> I need an absolute path so I can understand better whatever it is you're trying to do
[18:43] <babble> do you have a windows partition mounted inside linux?
[18:43] <X-Phips> what do you mean with absolute path?
[18:43] <babble> We'll go through this a step at a time.
[18:44] <babble> 1. Do you have a Windows partition mounted in Linux?
[18:44] <X-Phips> i have this linux installed with wubi
[18:44] <GridCube> X-Phips, /host/docs&setting/ is owned by windows
[18:44] <X-Phips> yes ^^
[18:44] <GridCube> X-Phips, the link is just a link
[18:44] <GridCube> to a folder
[18:44] <X-Phips> yes ^^
[18:44] <GridCube> thats owned by linux
[18:45] <babble> again, if you can *see* what you want in Thunar, drag it to the sidebar
[18:45] <GridCube> the link
[18:45] <GridCube> you dont have to move stuff to the /home/user/Images
[18:45] <GridCube> for example
[18:45] <babble> if you *cannot* see what you want in Thunar, but you want Thunar to do something Windows Explorer does for you in WIndows, it's difficult to understand you, but that likely won't work
[18:45] <GridCube> you just will move them out of windows folders
[18:45] <X-Phips> and where i have to bookmark the pics, docs etc when i want to edit them?
[18:46] <GridCube> you can have a link to them if you DRAG AND DROP a link to the windows folder on the side bar
[18:46] <babble> Can you navigate to the folder you want in Thunar?
[18:46] <GridCube> no need to move the files
[18:46] <GridCube> just go to that folder
[18:46] <X-Phips> or better: what should i command for taking the rights to delete, edit etc
[18:46] <GridCube> and use it
[18:46] <GridCube> X-Phips, you should be able to do that already
[18:46] <GridCube> X-Phips, really, you should use a normal installer and not use wubi
[18:47] <X-Phips> tja ...
[18:47] <babble> wubi installs are becoming the bane of my life.
[18:47] <GridCube> yes
[18:47] <GridCube> second
[18:47] <GridCube> i don't understand how wubi works
[18:48] <X-Phips> should should should ...
[18:48] <X-Phips> ;)
[18:48] <babble> GridCube: it's sort of like using Qemu running from an ISO
[18:48] <GridCube> hehe :D
[18:48] <babble> GridCube: Except that it's not running from an image; it's got its own root
[18:48] <xubuntu329> Hey, can someone tell me why xubuntu seems to freeze when booted as a livecd? it works just fine in virtualbox.
[18:48] <xubuntu329> *please
[18:49] <GridCube> i don't know... maybe hardware issues?
[18:49] <babble> xubuntu307: you'll need to narrow things down some more, most likely. Virtualbox is emulating very basic hardware.
[18:49] <babble> xubuntu307: have you tried booting from the live system with nomodeset?
[18:50] <xubuntu329> What's that?
[18:50] <xubuntu329> A terminal command of some sort?
[18:50] <babble> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[18:50] <Infy__> It's a line you add to your kernel when it's booting up
[18:50] <xubuntu329> Ok
[18:50] <babble> Nomodeset will load software only video drivers and use only very basic graphics modes
[18:51] <xubuntu329> Thanks
[18:51] <X-Phips> what is the command for opening a folder?
[18:51] <babble> do you want to open a folder in Thunar from the commandline?
[18:52] <X-Phips> i want to add a new thing to a louncher
[18:52] <X-Phips> in the bar at the bottom
[18:52] <GridCube> X-Phips, thunar /path/to/directory
[18:52] <babble> if you're specifying an executable file in a launcher, do /path/to/executable
[18:52] <babble> if you want thunar to open a location, do a URL launcher and set /path/to/someplace as the URL
[18:53] <X-Phips> hmm
[18:54] <X-Phips> open a shortcut with klicking to a louncher on bar at bottom
[18:54] <babble> what, exactly, do you want this Launcher to do?
[18:54] <X-Phips> open the shortcut "Pictures"
[18:54] <babble> where is "Pictures" located?
[18:55] <X-Phips> it's from /host
[18:55] <babble> I understand that
[18:55] <babble> I need the complete path to the folder you want the shortcut to open
[18:55] <rolesp> hello all
[18:55] <babble> open your terminal
[18:55] <X-Phips> opened
[18:55] <babble> do:
[18:55] <babble> cd /host
[18:57] <X-Phips>  /host$
[18:57] <GridCube> babble, actually is easier
[18:57] <babble> cd 'Documents and Settings'
[18:57] <GridCube> X-Phips, please do as i say
[18:57] <X-Phips> ok pls
[18:58] <babble> (or nav to it in Thunar, right click and do Open Terminal Here, maybe)
[18:58] <GridCube> now X-Phips go and add a new launcher to the panel, right click add-element > launcher
[18:58] <X-Phips> jop
[18:58] <GridCube> then create a new launcher
[18:59] <GridCube> not the big +, the one under it
[18:59] <GridCube> as command use Thunar
[18:59] <GridCube> and as working directory navigate to the folder you want it to open
[18:59] <babble> yeah, I was getting to that
[18:59] <babble> I need to understand the complete path as he's running in Wubi
[19:00] <Aetcho> Hi, this is the xubuntu help channel right?
[19:00] <GridCube> babble, he just needs to navigate, you dont need to write, theres a navigate button
[19:00] <GridCube> Aetcho, yep youre in the right place
[19:00] <babble> that should work, yeah
[19:01] <X-Phips> the folder i want to open with the launcher is named "Eigene Bilder"
[19:02] <Aetcho> Nice! Well, i sort of have a problem with xubuntu. Whenever i boot the livecd and arrive at the desktop. When i try to open a window, i can't close it down again/minimize it any of that stuff.
[19:02] <Aetcho> So, the windows freeze.
[19:02] <babble> you'll still need to specify a path for it in Thunar, X-Phips
[19:02] <Aetcho> Is there a way to fix this?
[19:02] <babble> Aetcho: have you tried a couple of CDs?
[19:02] <Aetcho> Im booting it from an usb
[19:02] <babble> do you still have the ISO image you downloaded?
[19:02] <Aetcho> Yes
[19:03] <Aetcho> It's on the computer
[19:03] <babble> which one is it? (I'll go get the md5 and we'll check)
[19:03] <Aetcho> I have re-extracted it to the usb serveral times
[19:03] <Aetcho> Well, it's the 64 bit desktop one
[19:03] <babble> let's see if it's a good image, first
[19:03] <babble> 12.04 amd64 desktop?
[19:03] <Aetcho> y
[19:03] <babble> one min.
[19:03] <Aetcho> ty
[19:04] <babble> where is your downloaded image? (i.e. on your desktop? In your Downloads folder?)
[19:04] <Aetcho> Yes, it's in my downloads folder.
[19:04] <babble> okay. are you in Linux or Windows at the moment?
[19:05] <Aetcho> Windows vista sp2 64-bit
[19:05] <babble> let me go get syntax for windows
[19:05] <Aetcho> ok
[19:05] <babble> okay, should be the same.
[19:06] <babble> open a commandline and cd into your downloads folder
[19:06] <babble> in there do:
[19:06] <babble> md5 xubuntu-12.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[19:06] <Aetcho> I ook
[19:06] <babble> that will give you a number
[19:07] <X-Phips> do a break
[19:07] <babble> it should match this:
[19:07] <babble> 724224b8d62c7bccecdee6b82850c0e6
[19:07] <Aetcho> " MD5 is not an internal command, an external command, a program or a commandfile "
[19:08] <Aetcho> Do i have to type run or something
[19:08] <Aetcho> before 4b8d62c7bccecdee6b82850c0e6
[19:08] <babble> no, don't do the number.
[19:08] <Aetcho> ok
[19:08] <babble> I want to see what number it gives you
[19:08] <babble> as I said, cd into your downloads folder and do:
[19:08] <babble> md5 xubuntu-12.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[19:09] <Aetcho> I did, but it won't accept md5 xubuntu-12.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[19:09] <Aetcho> as a command
[19:09] <babble> http://www.pc-tools.net/win32/md5sums/
[19:09] <genii-around> md5sum
[19:09] <babble> ah, there we go
[19:13] <Aetcho> It still won't.. accept it
[19:13] <babble> in the absence of any checksum utilities on your installation of Windows, have you tried redownloading a fresh image?
[19:13] <Aetcho> Yes, i did
[19:13] <Aetcho> ...Same problem
[19:13] <Aetcho> I have had the same problem with all distros of linux
[19:14] <babble> then it's likely some issue with your specific hardware.
[19:14] <Aetcho> My graphics card maybe?
[19:14] <Aetcho> Because vista runs fine
[19:14] <babble> it's possible.
[19:14] <Aetcho> I just got new drivers, but is there anything else i can do?
[19:14] <babble> try booting the live installer with nomodeset
[19:15] <Aetcho> How do i go about doing that?
[19:15] <babble> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[19:15] <Aetcho> Thanks.
[19:17] <rolesp> when I do: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre, get this: The package sun-java6-jre is not available, but some other package references to it. This may mean that the package is missing, outdated or just available from another source
[19:17] <rolesp> E: Package "sun-java6-jre 'has no installation candidate
[19:18] <rolesp> there is not jre's in software center, so is another way tu install java?
[19:18] <babble> try openjdk-7-jre
[19:20] <babble> or if it really won't run in 7, there's an OpenJDK 6 runtime as well:
[19:20] <babble> openjdk-6-jre
[19:22] <rolesp> ok, babble, that worked, thanks
[19:22] <babble> rolesp: np :)
[19:23] <babble> if it's for LibreOffice current, OpenJDK 7 should work just fine.
[19:23] <X-Phips> back
[19:23] <X-Phips> much thanks @ all for big help :)
[19:23] <babble> did you get your launcher to do what you want?
[19:24] <babble> oh, bother. Really Mageia? Really?
[19:24] <babble> Your grub setup will ONLY do the installation of Mageia on this partition?
[19:24] <babble> blarg
[19:24] <X-Phips> that's another part, no patience  anymore :D
[19:24] <X-Phips> wish you good day bye
[19:28] <rolesp> bbl
[19:55] <Belserusk> Hi all. Is it still better to upgrade Xubuntu via a pendrive/CD rather than via the update manager? Will this always be the case?
[20:00] <aquix> upgrades are getting better. but to be completely sure of a hazzel free experience a fresh install is better. And it's also a good way to finally get those backup's done.
[20:01] <aquix> and things like firefox gets a new faster profile that improves speed a bit
[20:03] <aquix> also, I  have found new features going through all the different options and preferences on new installs.
[20:06] <Belserusk> Cheers aquix.
[20:30] <aquix> no problem, just my humble opinion :)
[21:24] <weekscorp> Hello... What is the best way to get all of the drivers I need for my computer now that I have installed xUbuntu?
[21:24] <gordonjcp> weekscorp: drivers?
[21:24] <gordonjcp> for what?
[21:25] <weekscorp> I have tested ubuntu in the past a little bit and had issues with getting my printer and sound card to work.
[21:26] <weekscorp> when i say sound card i mean what came built in to the computer.
[21:30] <weekscorp> It just told me installation complete. got to restart
[22:39] <martinphone> what photo organizer do you recommend?
[22:39] <martinphone> instead of glthumb, the default one
[22:41] <mongy> depends what you want.
[22:41] <mongy> f-spot, shotwell, digikam(kde)
[22:41] <GridCube> i like to use folders
[22:41] <GridCube> and copy paste
[23:01] <aquix> One thing that doesn't work. Set as desktop background in gtumb. how do you guys work around that?
[23:01] <aquix> *gthumb
[23:06] <mongy> do it from right click desktop
[23:06] <mongy> I rarely change my desktop though
[23:06] <GridCube> right clic on an image on thunar, set as wallpaper
[23:06] <GridCube> open in ristretto, use as wallpaper
[23:07] <mongy> GridCube, never even noticed those.. lol
[23:19] <aquix> GridCube I open in ristretto too. The best feature with gthumb (over the thunar way) is that it show the last downloaded pictures on the bottom.
[23:24] <aquix> GridCube thank you
[23:25] <aquix> I use thunar, search by date, ctrl+1 for thumbs, and set as background. much easier.
[23:30] <Cygnus-X1> Okay, I upgraded from 10.04 to 12.04, and whenever an OSD comes up, a copy of the notifications winds up in a little mail type thing in the system tray
[23:31] <Cygnus-X1> Funny thing, its only happened in my LTS to LTS upgrade.  My fresh install and my 11.10 upgrade don't have that feature.
[23:31] <Cygnus-X1> how do I turn it off?
[23:55] <aquix> Evixion   think your router is depressed


[03:24] <arand> Hello, would it be possible to get a project cloak for ubuntu?
[15:20] <Nehyx> hi, how can I get ubuntu/member cloak?
[15:22] <Nafallo> !member | Nehyx
[15:22] <Nehyx> Nafalle: ok thanks
[19:43] <ab8cl> I was running ubuntu 8.10 64 bit, and chose to upgrade via Upgrade Manager to 9.04 but I don't think that it stayed with the 64 bit OS, how can I tell if I am running 9.04 64 bit os?
[19:43] <Nafallo> ab8cl: you want #ubuntu
[19:43] <Nafallo> this is not a support channel for software related questions.


[03:03] <Takyoji> So this is what I'm trying to do:
[03:04] <Takyoji> I'm considering on creating a group on Facebook for finding the general census of FLOSS users in my city (my city has no LUGs at all by the way).
[03:04] <Takyoji> And this is pretty much what I've got:
[03:04] <Takyoji> Group Name: "Faribault Open Source Advocates"
[03:05] <Takyoji> Description: "From general users to big advocates of free open source software solutions like Firefox, The GIMP, Blender, Ubuntu (or other types of Linux), OpenOffice.org, and more. Anyone that's curious of open source is also free to join in as well.
[03:05] <Takyoji> This group is to find the census of advocates in the Faribault area in the hope of potentially starting an activism group to do activities to help the promotion of open source technologies."
[03:05] <Takyoji> I just think I need to make it seem a little less 'boring' perhaps.


[14:43] <CIA-1> ubiquity: evand * r2702 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/partman.py): The partition resize widget expects floats, not ints.
[14:44] <evand> cjwatson: ^ integer division ftl.
[15:53] <cjwatson> evand: heh, gotcha
[15:54] <cjwatson> nice catch, though I think I'd have done it by adding a float() in the resize widget so its expectations are more reasonable :)
[15:58] <evand> cjwatson: ok, done
[17:49] <CIA-1> ubiquity: evand * r2703 ubiquity/ubiquity/ (components/partman.py frontend/gtk_ui.py): Better version of the previous change.


[05:34] <pasley> Hello
[05:43] <holstein> o/
[05:43] <holstein> you over in charlotte?
[05:43] <holstein> trying to think where all road runner is..
[05:44] <pasley> yes
[05:44] <pasley> enjoy it before it becomes fibre
[05:45] <holstein> google fiber?
[05:45] <pasley> yup
[05:45] <holstein> nice
[05:45] <holstein> that'll make some prices competitive..
[05:45] <pasley> everyone is super excited, but it will still be like 5 years before it's up and running
[05:46] <holstein> well, the other folks will be beefing up and charging less, though.. ASAP
[05:46] <holstein> magically freeing up bandwidth ;)
[05:47] <pasley> it is magical lol
[05:47] <pasley> so, what's you distro
[05:48] <holstein> i use a bunch...
[05:48] <holstein> ubuntu, etc
[05:48] <holstein> i like crunchbang..
[05:48] <holstein> i use a chromeOS chromebook as well
[05:48] <holstein> AVlinux for audio production.. debian based
[05:48] <pasley> I tried crunch bang, but i had problems setting it up on my mac
[05:49] <holstein> interesting
[05:49] <holstein> i used reFit.. have one of the white early 32bit intel macbooks running #!
[05:49] <pasley> i got a new lappy and i'm running bb. it seems to be working fine
[05:50] <holstein> i have a bunch of machines im putting ubuntu mate on.. the upcoming 15.04 release
[05:50] <holstein> its nice
[05:50] <pasley> refit stopped working when yosemite came out
[05:50] <pasley> they changed the boot method
[05:50] <holstein> i only help others with yosemite..
[05:50] <holstein> my machine has linux only on it
[05:51] <holstein> not that i use it much anymore..
[05:51] <pasley> ohhh
[05:51] <holstein> i have to say, i dont know what "bb" is..
[05:51] <pasley> backbox, sorry
[05:51] <holstein> as far as an operating system.. blackberry was all i was coming up with ;)
[05:52] <holstein> OK.. i have looked at bb, then
[05:52] <holstein> had an issue, and decided to just make my own
[05:52] <pasley> that's a good move
[05:52] <holstein> eh
[05:52] <pasley> if i had the skill i would too
[05:52] <holstein> #! has sources too
[05:53] <holstein> but, #! is just more like how i would set a machine up, by default
[05:53] <pasley> i'm trying to get into infosec, so it was either bb or kali
[05:53] <holstein> its handy that way.. if its not how one sets up a machine, its probably less handy, then
[05:53] <holstein> yeah, i have used kali live
[05:53] <pasley> and kali isn't very customizable
[05:53] <holstein> seemed to work "better".. for me, though i was expecting to be able to install backbox
[05:54] <pasley> customisible
[05:54] <pasley> ...
[05:54] <holstein> yeah, i use it "as-is"
[05:54] <holstein> i just run it live each time.. not really setting anything
[05:54] <holstein> but, i was looking to backbox for an installation, that had those tools
[05:54] <pasley> yeah, it is definitely good for that
[05:55] <pasley> it's ok
[05:55] <pasley> they're super proud of this new release
[05:55] <holstein> i could just add that ppa to what i want
[05:55] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~backbox/+archive/ubuntu/four
[05:55] <pasley> but i've been having so bugs
[05:55] <holstein> pasley: thats actually good to hear. i thought it was just me ;)
[05:56] <pasley> lol
[05:56] <holstein> i mean, with ppa packages, i typically dont bother reporting bugs, unless i know the folks running the ppa
[05:56] <pasley> yeah, i figured since i'm new to linux i could just spend sometime trying to fix it
[05:56] <holstein> yeah, may workout
[05:57] <holstein> though, it could also just frustrate you..
[05:57] <holstein> as long as you  are enjoying it, i say go for it
[05:57] <pasley> yes
[05:58] <pasley> i will say it's one of the few distros i've expirienced that recognizes my wireless
[05:58] <holstein> well, any ubuntu 14.04 should
[05:58] <pasley> i tried knoppix for a while, but i needed the tools
[05:58] <holstein> anything based on that kernel
[05:59] <pasley> mint hasn't
[05:59] <pasley> knoppix didn't
[05:59] <holstein> pasley: the mint with the same kernel should
[05:59] <holstein> knoppix will be a newer kernel
[05:59] <holstein> the ubuntu 14.04 kernel is actually a bit older now
[05:59] <holstein> of course, they could just have some broadcom blob you need already installed
[05:59] <holstein> !broadcom
[06:00] <pasley> i have no idea how to match kernels
[06:00] <pasley> that's the thing.
[06:00] <holstein> pasley: well, if backbox, based on 14.04, supports some hardware.. then, another distro with the same kernel will support the same hardware
[06:00] <pasley> to go there i'd have to hook up the lan
[06:00] <holstein> the drivers are in the modular kernel.. unless its a blob that they add
[06:00] <pasley> don't exactly own this wifi
[06:01] <holstein> sure
[06:01] <holstein> but, there are "offline" instructions
[06:01] <pasley> ...
[06:01] <pasley> oh
[06:01] <pasley> same link?
[06:01] <holstein> you *can* get the broadcom .deb with whatever live iso or windows or some other box.. etc
[06:01] <holstein> pasley: i did it from that link, ages ago.. i dont know what your hardware is, specifically, though
[06:02] <holstein> personally, i take broadcom chips out and replace them, when i have that luxury
[06:02] <pasley> i'll read it and figure it out
[06:02] <pasley> thank you
[06:02] <holstein> sure... thank me when it works out for you :)
[06:02] <pasley> i liked knoppix
[06:02] <holstein> yup.. knopiix is great
[06:02] <pasley> but it heats the fuck out of my mac
[06:03] <pasley> oh wait
[06:03] <pasley> i already said about the tools
[06:03] <holstein> one of my go to diagnostic distros
[06:03] <pasley> it liked how it was clean
[06:03] <pasley> and of course i liked compiz
[06:03] <holstein> the GPU drivers will be what they are..
[06:03] <holstein> could be the open nvidia drivers, or whatever. vs the proprietary ones
[06:03] <holstein> one or the other can heat things up..
[06:04] <pasley> i didn't know where to begin
[06:04] <pasley> but i do now
[06:04] <pasley> thanks again
[06:04] <pasley> buuuut.... i probably won
[06:04] <pasley> t
[06:05] <pasley> reinstall anytime soon
[06:05] <holstein> well, ideally, it would begin with the manufacturer promising you linux support, and providing it, since, *all* of linux is open, and freely available for them to support
[06:05] <holstein> but, when they dont.. it can be challenging..
[06:05] <pasley> and if i can get compiz to work on here., then ill be on this for a good good while
[06:05] <holstein> even apple could do that.. and knoppix would run cool and quiet.. with nice frame rates.. etc
[06:06] <holstein> i really liked compiz when i first started using linux
[06:06] <holstein> you might like ubuntu mate.. its more "legacy" like that
[06:06] <pasley> wasn't there a big outcry when invidia made their code proprietary, i feel like i heard that in the news
[06:06] <holstein> nvidia?
[06:06] <pasley> yes
[06:06] <pasley> my b
[06:06] <holstein> nvidia's codes has never been open
[06:07] <holstein> there are attempts to make open nvidia drivers.. but, thats just folks doing what they can.. reverse engineering.. etc
[06:07] <pasley> ah, that would make sense
[06:07] <holstein> imean, they may release something open.. but, not the drivers to their stuff
[06:07] <holstein> the blobs just add drivers.. when you add them to linux
[06:08] <holstein> modules..
[06:09] <holstein> if they did release it open, or give information so that drivers can be written, then, it would be more like intel hardware typically is. where,things just "magically" work
[06:09] <holstein> plug and play, so they say. since all the drivers are in the kernel.. baked in.. basically
[06:10] <holstein> and, its modular, so, if you have all those open drivers, and you pull the drive, and move it to another machine with different hardware, it'll just work
[06:10] <holstein> no need to install other drivers on that hardware.. assuming again, all the hardware supports linux well
[06:11] <pasley> weird
[06:15] <holstein> ok, i gotta get up early and drive.. cheers!
[06:15] <holstein> pasley: good to meet you..
[06:16] <holstein> the channel is super slow, but, maybe we can revive it..
[06:22] <pasley> ha!
[06:22] <pasley> i think i just proved your point
[06:22] <pasley> i will be back
[06:23] <pasley> nice to meet you too