[00:05] <alexandros> Hi there again
[00:05] <sSs> hi
[00:05] <alexandros> I just did the hard disk test on Kubuntu
[00:06] <alexandros> with GsmartControl (gui for smart)
[00:07] <alexandros> the disk has no errors, exept for on "red" value in the "Soft read error rate" where I have a non zero value,
[00:07] <sSs> the head is going bad
[00:08] <alexandros> the head of the drive you mean..?
[00:08] <alexandros> :)
[00:08] <sSs> yeah. like in a VCR its the part the reads the tape
[00:09] <sSs> or in this case, the metal disk
[00:10] <alexandros> the message is : "there is no SMART warning yet, this could be an indication of future failures or potential data loss in bad sectors"
[00:10] <sSs> dont store anything valuable on it. its going bad
[00:12] <sSs> it'll still work for long term storage just make sure anything u have on it you have a backup of or dont care about (no longer usefull for running programs)
[00:16] <alexandros> great! and now I have tested the second hard disk and eventhough the general health status is "passed" however there are a lot of "red" values
[00:16] <alexandros> Warning: ATA error count 106 inconsistent with error log pointer 5
[00:19] <sSs> thats okay. that just means the disk is operating differently than the agreed upon specifications (manufacturer decided to do things their own way)
[00:24] <alexandros> however for this disk too there is positive "Soft Read Error Rate" ... and "Offline Uncorrectable" and "Reallocated Sector Count"...
[00:27] <alexandros> the question would now be: shall I fresh install Ubuntu studion on the second (latter info) hard disk or  go for a new hard drive? :) How serious would the problems of the second disk are?
[00:29] <sSs> reallocated secotr means bad sectors
[00:29] <sSs> its hardware. software has nothing to do with it
[00:31] <sSs> the good news is the motherboard and cable are fine
[00:31] <alexandros> ok.
[00:34] <alexandros> in general, do bad sectors mean a critical stability problem for the system? Which leads to the question: I stop using them for operating systems?
[00:37] <sSs> definately buy new drives. failing head and disk (platter) is either scratched or has excessive wear
[00:37] <alexandros> thanks, I see...
[00:38] <alexandros> So, it means no really problems with ubuntu studio as such, rather the problem was hardware...
[00:38] <sSs> yup
[00:38] <alexandros> many thanks for all the help and guidance...
[00:38] <sSs> your welcome
[00:40] <alexandros> See you again! I am very happy to having received "real time" support from the community :)
[00:40] <sSs> for free no less  :P
[00:40] <alexandros> :))
[04:24] <shai_halud> why on earth does ubuntu-studio come without krita!?
[04:25] <cfhowlett> shai_halud, because it has alternatives.  feel free to install krita if you wish
[04:25] <shai_halud> oh, i did
[04:26] <shai_halud> just saying. it's so much AWSUM, it should just be there
[04:26] <cfhowlett> different strokes ...
[04:27] <smartboyhw> shai_halud, isn't krita a KDE app? We use Xfce now....
[04:27] <cfhowlett> and there is that ...
[04:27] <shai_halud> i know! and i lOVE it
[04:27] <shai_halud> yeah, i suppose it is
[04:27]  * smartboyhw knows it because he is the actual guy who packaged calligra (which includes krita) in Ubuntu archive
[04:28] <shai_halud> it really is an awesome program
[04:28] <cfhowlett> shai_halud, then use and enjoy.
[04:28] <shai_halud> mhmm
[04:32] <shai_halud> if i can get flashmx to install in ubuntu studio, i will be in hog heaven. anyone know if there is a linux equivalent?
[04:33] <shai_halud> google doesn't seem to think so
[04:35] <cfhowlett> shai_halud, the windows version will run in wine
[04:35] <shai_halud> wheee
[04:35] <shai_halud> whic is really great, seeing as how my windows partition took one for the team yesterday
[04:36] <shai_halud> (so i could install ubuntu studio)
[04:37] <shai_halud> (had to delete the"windows reserved" partition to avoid extended/logical partitions)
[05:32] <shai_halud> yipeee! and flashmx is now installed!  this ubuntu studio install just keeps getting better and better as the day progresses
[16:48] <sirriffsalot> How do I wget an exact package which I installed from synaptic? Having trouble deciding which is which in packages.ubuntu..
[20:19] <sirriffsalot> Hey guys, I'm following this http://alsa.opensrc.org/Udev. But I cannod do this step "sudo echo -n K6 > /sys/devices/pci0000\:00/0000\:00\:1d.7/usb1/1-7/1-7\:1.0/sound/card1/id" because of "Permission denied" from terminal..
[20:24] <sSs> sudo su and try again?
[20:26] <sirriffsalot> sSs: strange.. why would that work?
[20:27] <sSs> i've found that sometimes i can only do things as root. sudo doesnt cut it
[20:28] <sirriffsalot> sSs: strange.. going on then, thanks for that!:)
[20:39] <shai_halud> any awesome music theorists present? i need a hand figuring out the time signatures of a peice i just composed
[20:39] <sirriffsalot> shai_halud: you  can't work out your own piece? o.O
[20:39] <shai_halud> man... i know... but , ... no
[20:39] <shai_halud> :)
[20:39] <sSs> try #opensourcemusicians
[20:39] <shai_halud> er :(
[20:39] <shai_halud> ok
[20:39] <sirriffsalot> shai_halud: holy shit I wanna hear it!
[20:40] <sirriffsalot> shai_halud: I'm a little like that at times hehe
[20:40] <shai_halud> one sec
[20:40] <shai_halud> http://filebin.net/y6zke1v105
[20:40] <shai_halud> well, when i first wrote it, it was 6/8, but that was on guitar, and i changed it here
[20:41] <shai_halud> dooted notes throw me off, and i think that's the situation here
[20:41] <shai_halud>  i did better in GP$ an %, because you could change measures individually
[20:41] <shai_halud>  in LMMS i haven't figured out how yet
[20:42] <shai_halud> that was GP4 and 5
[20:42] <shai_halud> also, i need to figure out how to do bends, something gp was AWSUM for
[20:44] <shai_halud> lmms has way better presets though
[20:54] <sSs> reminds me of Vectorman2
[20:57] <shai_halud> sawesome
[20:57] <shai_halud> i love those games
[22:35] <chrisde> hello
[22:35] <chrisde> I just installed ubuntustudio and had a question about font rendering, is this the right place to ask
[22:37] <sirriffsalot> chrisde: absolutely ;D Go ahead
[22:37] <sirriffsalot> chrisde: welcome to ubuntustudio! hope you'll like it. This is the place to talk about ubuntustudio, and ubuntuforums.org for any ubuntu-related things
[22:38] <chrisde> I'm really impressed with it so far so i want to try to get it to work, but it hurts my eyes.  The font rendering is too contrasted, to sharp, or something.
[22:38] <chrisde> Im on my windows 7 partition right now, and if I get up close the fonts are clear and anti-aliased
[22:38] <chrisde> on ubuntustudio if I get up close I can see green or red fringing around the letters
[22:39] <chrisde> i checked the font settings and anti-aliasing is checked
[22:39] <chrisde> and I messed with the 'hinting' setting which made it somewhat better but then it was razor thin
[22:41] <sirriffsalot> chrisde: hmm
[22:41] <sirriffsalot> chrisde: have you just tried a different theme?
[22:41] <sirriffsalot> chrisde: I recommend "NOX" if you haven't
[22:41] <sirriffsalot> chrisde: which is default
[22:41] <chrisde> theme?
[22:42] <chrisde> I couldnt say
[22:42] <chrisde> i think I say that setting, it was set to greybird?
[22:42] <chrisde> saw*
[22:48] <chrisde> I think I found it
[22:48] <chrisde> http://www.kilobitspersecond.com/2009/04/17/ubuntu-font-hinting-you-a-cautionary-tale/
[22:48] <chrisde> I need to disable sub-pixel rendering
[22:49] <chrisde> im gonna switch over to ustudio, brb
[22:50] <sirriffsalot> chrisde: sorry, don't expect quick replies all the time :) Doing many things
[22:50] <sirriffsalot> chrisde: did you work it out?
[22:57] <chrisde> back
[23:35] <chrisde> well that was a fail
[23:35] <chrisde> looks like I'll stick to using windows 7
[23:36] <chrisde> issues: chome asked if it wanted to be default installer everytime.  fonts looked like shit even after I edited the font.conf file to get rid of sub-pixel sampling. nvidia driver works, but I would get bad tearing moving any windows. it reset itself to mirror mode whenever Id login, even after saving settings etc.
[23:37] <chrisde> I havent tried to install maya yet, I did with ubuntu using a simple script but it wasnt solid
[23:37] <shai_halud> oh christ
[23:38] <chrisde> Im bummed
[23:38] <shai_halud> for real dog
[23:38] <chrisde> I was tired of centos and I used ubuntustudio several years ago...
[23:38] <shai_halud> i thought it was new! ha
[23:39] <shai_halud> but i guess it is up to 12
[23:39] <shai_halud> i never heard of it til 2 days ago
[23:39] <chrisde> haha yea
[23:39] <chrisde> last one I used was 6 or something
[23:40] <chrisde> its just the little things that irritate me.
[23:40] <chrisde> makes me try linux, then i get frustrated and stick with tried and true
[23:40] <chrisde> oh well, maybe some day I can ditch M$
[23:41] <shai_halud> luckily i have had no such issues. linux user for about 12 yrs now, and i won't have a machine without it
[23:41] <chrisde> a lot of what I do is difficult in linux
[23:42] <chrisde> I always need photoshop and zbrush
[23:42] <chrisde> and more complicated programs that are easy to install in windows require a lot of work for ubuntu
[23:42] <chrisde> I'm not a fan of the whole ';package' repository dealio, I'd rather find a single download or something
[23:43] <chrisde> what do you find in linux thats better than windows,
[23:43] <chrisde> I'd still like to play around with it in my freetime and see if I can get it to a good state
[23:47] <shai_halud> well, it forces you to learn commands/ it is more difficult to exploit (i have never once contracted a virus in linux)/ OSS is free/ the attidtude of OSS developers /
[23:47] <shai_halud> even when i have windows, i still use linux programs
[23:48] <chrisde> windows 7 is free too
[23:48] <shai_halud> right
[23:48] <chrisde> oops
[23:48] <chrisde> most software for windows 7 is free too
[23:48] <chrisde> that was odd
[23:49] <chrisde> mac on the other had, geez, can find shit unless you're willing to pay 5-10


[01:06] <androidbruce> seattlegaucho, haha that's the way it goes eh
[01:06] <seattlegaucho> :D
[01:06] <seattlegaucho> had a sh***y day today
[01:06] <seattlegaucho> time to go home and crack open a beer
[01:07] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}} and an extra beer to ya, seattlegaucho
[01:07] <androidbruce> seattlegaucho, i want a beer too man
[01:07] <androidbruce> im too full right now
[01:07] <androidbruce> but later
[01:08] <androidbruce> it's beer thirty
[01:08] <seattlegaucho> :)
[01:08] <androidbruce> valorie, anything planned for 11.10 release?
[01:08] <seattlegaucho> she was saying a couple of days ago that nottin' so far
[01:08] <androidbruce> seattlegaucho, gotcha
[01:09] <androidbruce> well we should do something
[01:09] <androidbruce> i missed the last one
[01:09] <seattlegaucho> can we find a place where we can all get together? aka ... as in a meetup?
[01:09] <androidbruce> seattlegaucho, yeah definitely
[01:09] <seattlegaucho> pizza + beer + hacking ... what can go wrong
[01:09] <androidbruce> id have a party/bonfire at my place if we wanted
[01:09] <valorie> where are you, androidbruce?
[01:09] <androidbruce> we can use my place to hack,eat,and burn stuff ;)
[01:09] <androidbruce> Puyallup now
[01:09] <androidbruce> new place big back yeard
[01:09] <valorie> I would love to have a party somewhere
[01:10] <androidbruce> yard**
[01:10] <androidbruce> party here, pass out w/e
[01:10] <valorie> cool -- that's easy for me
[01:10] <seattlegaucho> BTW, I upgraded my old windows phone to a mytouch 4G
[01:10] <androidbruce> seattlegaucho, ha nice dude
[01:10] <androidbruce> seattlegaucho, put cm7 on it
[01:10] <seattlegaucho> ... love to use it as my personal wifi hotspot
[01:10] <valorie> not sure about the folks up north
[01:10] <androidbruce> yeah
[01:10] <valorie> but I just made contact with a guy in Tacoma via linkedin
[01:10] <androidbruce> gotcha
[01:10] <seattlegaucho> pls don't make it too far south
[01:10] <androidbruce> its' 11/10 or 10/11?
[01:11] <androidbruce> i'm close to Tacoma seattlegaucho
[01:11] <seattlegaucho> south ctr mall is not that bad depending where you are in Tacoma
[01:12] <androidbruce> seattlegaucho, that's Tukwila
[01:13] <androidbruce> tacoma is even farther south
[01:13] <androidbruce> seattlegaucho, http://g.co/maps/whaz
[01:14] <seattlegaucho> I know that much ... but I work close to Pike Pl market and live in Bellevue ... Tukwilla is pretty far away
[01:15] <seattlegaucho> especially w/ traffic after work
[01:15] <seattlegaucho> Red Robin ... if I remember correctly ... it's in the south part of the mall
[01:15] <seattlegaucho> ... but I can imagine it could be a pain if you're in the south part of Tacoma
[01:16] <androidbruce> seattlegaucho, yeah true
[01:16] <androidbruce> well we can have a meetup
[01:16] <androidbruce> and a party in puyallup
[01:16] <androidbruce> or just one, w/e
[01:17] <androidbruce> i no longer work on the eastside
[01:18] <androidbruce> seattlegaucho, are you a dba?
[01:18] <seattlegaucho> mysql dba
[01:19]  * seattlegaucho was looking for RR further South
[01:19] <androidbruce> RR?
[01:19] <seattlegaucho> red robin :)
[01:19] <androidbruce> there's one in tacoma
[01:19] <androidbruce> and federal way
[01:20] <androidbruce> federal way is in between tacoma and tukwila
[01:20] <seattlegaucho> the one I could go the furthest on a week day is in kent ... unless the federal way and tacoma ones are close to I-5
[01:21] <androidbruce> they're close to I-5
[01:21] <androidbruce> last time we met in Burien, that was sort of in between
[01:21] <valorie> red robin is so effing noisy
[01:21] <valorie> allll the time
[01:21] <androidbruce> yeah
[01:21] <seattlegaucho> the Federal Way is right off I-5 ... I can do that one
[01:21] <androidbruce> everyplace is
[01:21] <androidbruce> we can't HACK at a red robin either
[01:21] <valorie> I guess
[01:22] <seattlegaucho> right no wifi
[01:22] <valorie> library is quiet, but no beer
[01:22] <seattlegaucho> ... and hacking can be noisy w/ all the chatter
[01:22] <androidbruce> yeah library isn't open late either right?
[01:22] <valorie> some are open till 10
[01:22] <valorie> it depends
[01:22] <androidbruce> hmm
[01:22] <seattlegaucho> and phone hotspot would kill my bill
[01:22] <androidbruce> any places we can reserve or rent?
[01:23] <androidbruce> like vfw types?
[01:23] <valorie> actually, there is a library in southcenter
[01:23] <valorie> let me see if they allow food
[01:23] <valorie> because food and drink would be ok, even without beer, right?
[01:23] <androidbruce> yeah
[01:23] <androidbruce> better than nowhere
[01:23] <seattlegaucho> some King County libraries have 'event rooms'
[01:23] <valorie> food, drink, wifi, and our own room
[01:24] <androidbruce> yeah it will be alcohol free, but that's not always bad
[01:24] <androidbruce> we could go to a "bar" afterwards if we wanted
[01:24] <valorie> open till 9
[01:25] <androidbruce> what day did we want to do?
[01:25] <seattlegaucho> 6:30 to 8:30 to leave room and not rush it?
[01:25] <seattlegaucho> does the release have a set date?
[01:25] <androidbruce> which day again?
[01:25] <androidbruce> im not sure
[01:25] <androidbruce> was it in october or nov?
[01:26] <valorie> mmm, southcenter has no room
[01:26] <valorie> valley view does, though
[01:27] <seattlegaucho> it would have to be the weeks of the 17th or 24th ... release date: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[01:27] <seattlegaucho> is a Thu
[01:27] <valorie> 13 Oct. is the day
[01:27] <seattlegaucho> which is Thu
[01:27] <androidbruce> ohh shoot i need to check my schedule i have a concert in october
[01:28] <seattlegaucho> ... and I wouldn't do it on a Fri or the actual release day
[01:28] <seattlegaucho> ... or weekend
[01:28] <androidbruce> not on a weekend?
[01:28] <androidbruce> oct 12th is the concert
[01:28] <androidbruce> so im goooood
[01:29] <valorie> it's available on the 13th
[01:29] <androidbruce> valorie, if you reserve and we decide something else, no big deal eh?
[01:30] <valorie> exactly, I'
[01:30] <valorie> ll reserve it now
[01:30] <androidbruce> ok word
[01:30] <seattlegaucho> cool!
[01:30] <androidbruce> valley?
[01:30] <seattlegaucho> gotta go ... pls post it to the email list and loco wiki
[01:31]  * seattlegaucho runs to get his bus
[01:36] <valorie> ok, scheduled
[01:40] <androidbruce> coolio
[01:40] <androidbruce> do you know if they have wifi?
[01:40] <valorie> yes, that's standard
[01:40] <androidbruce> ok cool
[01:40] <valorie> it rather sucks sometimes
[01:40] <valorie> but we'll deal
[01:40] <androidbruce> i haven't spent anytime in a library
[01:40] <androidbruce> we can rip some hardwire spots
[01:40] <valorie> for shame
[01:41] <valorie> lol
[04:08] <bkerensa> man Canonical was fast approving the puppetconf conf pack I requested
[04:09] <bkerensa> =o I requested last night after 7pm and they shipped this morning
[04:18] <valorie> wow
[04:18] <valorie> that's awesome
[04:20] <bkerensa> yeah
[04:20] <bkerensa> Now we will have some media to give out
[04:23] <valorie> I hope thefinn catches whatever you have, and passes it along
[04:23] <valorie> we need some more juice up here
[04:23] <valorie> we do have a release party planned: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-washington/1260/detail/
[04:25] <bkerensa> sweet
[04:26] <bkerensa> WA/OR both need to get approved
[04:26] <bkerensa> I'm aiming for right after release party to apply for loco approval and my own membership
[04:27] <bkerensa> nobody is really giving me much guidance on when to apply? I have been contributing for over a year... The only perk to me is the @ubuntu.com e-mail alias for loco e-mails
[04:34] <valorie> well, start your wiki page
[04:34] <valorie> get some cool stuff on it, including recommendations
[04:35] <valorie> then just schedule yourself in one of the board meetings
[04:35] <valorie> where ever you are most active
[04:35] <valorie> bugsquad can do it I think
[04:35] <bkerensa> I did :) You have me a testomonial and finn did and markdude said he was going to but I think he got sidetracked :P
[04:35] <valorie> American board can do it
[04:36] <bkerensa> Thats the problem.... I'm spread out between IRC/Bugs/Forums and doing our LoCo
[04:36] <bkerensa> :D
[04:36] <bkerensa> so I figured Americas
[04:36] <valorie> you can even do it with IRC, Forum council
[04:36] <valorie> or
[04:36] <valorie> not sure bugs has a council,
[04:36] <valorie> come to think of it
[04:37] <valorie> if you aren't an IRC op, I wouldn't ask them
[04:37] <bkerensa> yeah
[04:37] <valorie> if you have lots of forum answers, that will work
[04:37] <valorie> or the American board
[04:37] <bkerensa> Yeah I will probably do Americas
[04:38] <valorie> basically, you just add yourself to the wiki page for the next meeting
[04:38] <valorie> and show up
[04:39] <valorie> I did it through the Kubuntu Council
[04:39] <valorie> so I'm both a Kubuntu Member and ubuntu Member
[04:39] <valorie> :-)
[04:39] <valorie> sec
[04:41] <valorie> there really isn't much guidance besides your own feelings that you want it now
[04:41] <valorie> and are planning to be around for awhile
[04:44] <bkerensa> yeah
[04:44] <bkerensa> What kind of stuff do they ask? Whats the meeting like
[04:54] <valorie> look up some meeting logs
[04:54] <valorie> they basically look at what's on your page and ask you about what's there
[04:54] <valorie> oh, the more pictures, the better
[04:54]  * valorie had none
[04:55] <valorie> pictures of events and such that you organized
[04:55] <valorie> not just random bling, of course
[04:55] <valorie> same for team approval
[04:59] <bkerensa> valorie: So this might not be a winning photo for approval? http://bit.ly/n3hpPj
[04:59]  * bkerensa smirks
[04:59] <bkerensa> that was just for show I wasn't really doing that :P
[05:07] <valorie> lol
[05:11] <bkerensa> I actually barely drink a couple sips and ended up leaving the MediaTemple party to talk with Gareth Greenway (August cover of LJ)
[05:11] <bkerensa> then went home and slept :P
[05:16]  * valorie didn't party much this year
[05:16] <valorie> not at OSCON, not in Berlin
[05:17] <valorie> had a great time anyway
[19:46] <bkerensa> wow.... Someone is maybe coming from Seattle to our global jam
[20:52] <valorie> awesome!
[20:52] <valorie> I wish I could come
[20:52] <valorie> any other weekend.....


[01:21] <valorie> bazhang: I would assume that was a tea-party type making a political allusion
[01:26] <Unit193> Really?  Going for politics?
[01:26] <Unit193> !politics
[01:35] <valorie> sounds like a lovely person
[01:37] <Unit193> Also, weird hit and run you got there, in #k.
[01:44] <valorie> thanks, hadn't seen that
[01:44] <valorie> @mark
[01:44] <valorie> [18:35] --> TheGame_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined this channel.
[01:44] <valorie> [18:35] <TheGame_> GOOD NEWS EVERYONE!  Also, you are now breathing and blinking manually. Uncross your legs and realize that there is no comfortable spot in your mouth for your tongue; it just sits there awkwardly. Did you forget that your jaw has weight, forcing you to manually hold it closed? You're producing saliva too! And to top it all off, you probably didn't even see my nick yet.
[01:44] <valorie> pfff
[01:45] <valorie> @mark #kubuntu<EMAIL_ADDRESS><TheGame_> GOOD NEWS EVERYONE!  Also, you are now breathing and blinking manually. Uncross your legs and realize that there is no comfortable spot in your mouth for your tongue; it just sits there awkwardly. Did you forget that your jaw has weight, forcing you to manually hold it closed? You're producing saliva too! And to top it all off, you probably
[01:45] <valorie> didn't even see my nick yet.
[20:23] <bazhang> we are all unopaste/fbots now
[20:23] <bazhang> since the original cannot do it
[20:24] <MasterPiece> Hello, Where is developing channel ?
[20:24] <bazhang> MasterPiece, why?
[20:24] <Jordan_U> bazhang: Do you think unopaste would have kicked in eventually?
[20:25] <bazhang> Jordan_U, eventually? it was at ten lines already
[20:25] <MasterPiece> I wanna join in developing channel in freenode
[20:25] <MasterPiece> bazhang, ^
[20:25] <bazhang> MasterPiece, its not a support channel
[20:25] <MasterPiece> I know, I'm a developer and I wanna to see Ubuntu developers activity :)
[20:26] <MasterPiece> bazhang, ^
[20:26] <bazhang> #ubuntu-devel
[23:21] <Jordan_U> k1l: So does that mean that the error message they saw was actually something along the lines of "Permissions denied on ~/.Xauthority" and chick_ just paraphrased that to us as "Incorrect password"? If so, that's really frustrating. And if not, and having a root owned .Xauthority really causes a "wrong password" error message, that's even more frustrating.
[23:23] <k1l> Jordan_U: yes. she/he just thought it was a bad password issue. but he/she mentioned it doesnt show bad password like when give a really wrong password
[23:23] <k1l> the root owned .Xauthority is very common for not logging in loop. after using sudo where it doesnt suit
[23:23] <k1l> *common cause
[23:24] <Unit193> !xhangs
[23:24]  * Jordan_U doesn't like users paraphrasing error messages


[00:14] <nixternal> so do you Jucato :)
[00:14] <Jucato> not anymore though :)
[00:16] <bluszcz> hello, any here?
[00:28] <nixternal> Riddell: I have just tested the 'Print Head Cleaner' and it is making the printer in class go crazy :)
[00:28] <nixternal> so the button worked!!!
[00:29] <nixternal> Note to self:  "You cannot clean print heads on a LASERJET printer" :)
[00:31] <nixternal> Riddell: simply copy the maintenance_command(self, command) stuff from the gtk version, and then add the following code for the button:
[00:31] <nixternal> def on_btnCleanHeads_clicked(self):
[00:31] <nixternal>     self.maintenance_command ("Clean all")
[00:31] <nixternal> that is all you need, and comment out the .hide() on self.btnCleanHeads.show()
[02:39] <ScottK> If it's bugfix only, go for it.
[02:39] <ScottK> Just file a bug to document what you're doing
[03:02] <yuriy> nixternal: copy stuff from the gtk version? they're not using a common backend? :O
[03:39] <nixternal> yuriy: there is a common, but that isn't in it
[03:39] <nixternal> that whole thing is a mess, the worst thing I have ever looked at
[03:43] <crimsun_> nah, there's far worse.
[03:44] <crimsun_> or should I say "there are far worse"
[04:57] <nixternal> ryanakca: gahahahahahahha, you need to see this email I just got with your email addy in the To: field...it is great
[05:07] <Czessi> hi nixternal, i've printed some kubuntu posters. the documents are only available in the german A0 (841mm x 1189mm) format. are you interested for an pdf in an us format?
[05:25] <nixternal> sure
[05:32] <Czessi> I think ANSI E is the right format?
[05:36] <nixternal> oh man, I really don't know
[05:36] <nixternal> do you have the source of the posters?
[05:38] <Czessi> the source is the svg from the kubuntu marketing wiki page
[05:38] <nixternal> oh
[05:38] <Czessi> wikipedia says, ANSI E is the right format ;)
[05:39]  * Hobbsee wonders when kde4 will become usable.
[05:39] <nixternal> well I will just grab that then, unless you have it all funkdafied and what not :)
[05:39] <nixternal> KDE 4 has been usable for me now for a couple of months
[05:39] <nixternal> I will say it isn't the greatest on an amd64 system
[05:39] <nareshov> hmm
[05:39] <nixternal> it is always locking up and crashing, but I can't blame that on KDE 4 just yet
[05:39] <nixternal> I installed from the new kde 4 cd
[05:40] <nareshov> I had hardy kde4, didn't lock up or crash
[05:40] <Czessi> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuMarketing/Material
[05:40] <nareshov> (amd64)
[05:40] <nareshov> except that it's just unusable without proxy support
[05:40] <Hobbsee> nixternal: does the gtk qt engine work yet?
[05:40] <nixternal> not that I have seen thus far
[05:40] <nixternal> so Gtk apps look a little ugly, so does gnome, but that is still usable :p
[05:41] <nareshov> you can always enable "apply kde4 colours to non-kde apps" in system settings :P
[05:42] <Hobbsee> that's not enough :)
[05:42] <nareshov> ya :p
[05:42] <nixternal> only gtk app I use is Gimp, so it doesn't bother me
[05:42] <nareshov> you don't use firefox?!
[05:42] <nixternal> I hate firefox
[05:42] <nareshov> hmm
[05:43] <nixternal> it is a bloated turd just like internet explorer
[05:50] <robotgeek> OMG, nixternal blasphemes.
[05:51] <robotgeek> i guess it is okay in #kubuntu-devel , lol
[05:52] <nixternal> hehe
[05:57] <Hobbsee> !visternal
[05:57] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[06:12] <serega> Hey!
[06:24] <Hobbsee> hey!
[07:07] <nixternal> Hobbsee: do I need to file an FFe for a sync from Debian that just incorporates a couple of fixes for some bugs?
[07:09] <Hobbsee> nixternal: any features?
[07:09] <nixternal> no
[07:09] <nixternal> it is Gwenview, in main
[07:10] <nixternal> hrmm
[07:10] <nixternal> there are the 2 patches I want, and then the only changes made int he Debian package is bump to 3.7.3 and and compat to 6, which may be an issue
[07:13] <neversfelde> w/2006m3610
[07:13] <nixternal> really? :)
[07:14] <neversfelde> sorry, wrong input field. Early in the morning :)
[07:14] <nixternal> hehe
[07:14] <nixternal> now we all know your password for your bank account
[07:15] <neversfelde> not so bad ;)
[07:15] <neversfelde> you can be admin in forum kubuntu-de.org
[07:16] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I think I will just go ahread and create a debdiff for Riddell with those 2 patches from Debian...we don't need compat 6 in case we want to backport it to >= Dapper
[07:16] <neversfelde> I think I should change the password now^^
[07:16] <nixternal> hehe
[07:16] <nixternal> now that you told us what it was for
[07:17] <Hobbsee> nixternal: right
[07:17] <Hobbsee> nixternal: then you can just upload
[07:18] <nixternal> well I can't, but you can :)
[07:18] <nixternal> muhehe
[07:55] <nixternal> Hobbsee: do you want to do this debdiff for gwenview really quick?
[08:34] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/~rj/  <- gwenview and polyester debdiffs to fix some bugs - gwenview fixes 2 bugs and polyester fixes 1 bug
[08:34]  * nixternal beds
[08:34] <nixternal> g'nite
[08:34] <Jucato> bye nixternal
[08:34] <Jucato>  :)
[08:44] <hunger> Why can't I download the kde4.0.1 stuff from the archive?
[08:56] <hunger> Ah, now the debs finally showed up:-)
[09:28] <hunger> KDE4 will not start up: Splash screen appears, last icon flashes there. It vanishes after a while and nothing more happens. Any idea how to debug this?
[09:29] <nareshov> hunger: it takes you back to the login screen?
[09:29] <hunger> nareshov: nope.
[09:29] <nareshov> try sudo mv /etc/kde4rc /etc/kde4rc_do_not_use
[09:29] <hunger> nareshov: I just sit there with an empty screen that will only respond to ALT-CTRL-Backspace.
[09:32] <hunger> nareshov: That helped! Thanks!
[09:33] <nareshov> np
[09:34] <hunger> Any idea what was in the file? I rm-ed it;-)
[09:35] <nareshov> heh
[09:35] <nareshov> it was supposed to go anyway
[09:35] <hunger> nareshov: Well, if I cared I could just check it out again;-)
[09:36] <hunger> removing that file improves my kde 4.1 build, unfortunately it does not fix it.
[09:38] <nareshov> hunger: any idea if anyone is working on the proxy-support bug at all?
[09:38] <hunger> nareshov: Which proxy support bug?
[09:39] <nareshov> hunger: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155707
[09:39] <ubotu> KDE bug 155707 in general "proxy settings are not followed" [Major,New]
[09:40] <nareshov> Oh, it's assigned to someone now
[09:42] <hunger> nareshov: No idea, sorry.
[09:42] <hunger> but it is good to see it assigned;-)
[09:42] <nareshov> ya
[09:43]  * hunger sighs. Soprano is borked in SVN since yesterday evening already.
[09:57]  * hunger grumbles. KDE 3 is no fun anymore... konqui got so damn crashy since the last update:-(
[10:02] <_StefanS_> hunger: desktop icons in kde4 isn't exactly amazing either.. I cant figure out why they're made like applets
[10:02] <nareshov> add the taskbar to that
[10:02] <jussi01> hmmm, is it possible to not have the temp files ending in ~ left in the folder after use? ie. the ones created when you edit a picture or document?
[10:02] <_StefanS_> nareshov: agreed.
[10:02] <nareshov> + KDE3 is like < 500MB ram on my laptop, KDE4 is about 800MB, plasma is heavy :\
[10:02] <hunger> The taskbar sucks, I agree.
[10:04] <hunger> I do understand the icons as applets approach from an engineering point of view. I don't have icons on the desktop, so I do not care from a user POV;-)
[10:05] <_StefanS_> hunger: well, kde4 is not finished yet, so it will be improved along the way..
[10:05] <_StefanS_> I hope.
[10:05]  * nareshov too sincerely hopes
[10:06] <hunger> _StefanS_: Well, it will pick up Decibel and other stuff, so it will improve;-)
[10:06] <hunger> _StefanS_: Let's just hope that the stuff that is annoying right now will improve as well.
[10:07] <_StefanS_> hunger: yep I think it will. I just hope they will optimize the UI for general usage along the way, and not wait ~3-4years. I think it so unusable in its current state (and thats without window animations, fades and that).
[10:07] <hunger> I hope that butt-ugly menu thingy will vanish as well... I always hated suse's menu in KDE3, now I have to see it on every distribution in KDE4.
[10:08] <nareshov> we need a Finder kind of thing
[10:08] <hunger> And it even got more ugly in the conversion (cramped icons and everything).
[10:09] <_StefanS_> hunger: yep that menu is definitely not good.. but then again I dont have anything else that the regular "start"-menu approach to suggest either.
[10:09] <hunger> THe good ol' K-menu was good enough for years. I want it back;-)
[10:10] <nareshov> the old style menu is there in kde4
[10:10] <_StefanS_> hunger: cant you change that btw?
[10:10] <hunger> I hardly ever need a menu anyway.
[10:10] <nareshov> you can
[10:10] <_StefanS_> oka, I might want to try that sometime
[10:11] <_StefanS_> ScottK2, ScottK: did you succeed with the patch?
[10:13] <_StefanS_> hunger: what gfx card are you using?
[10:14] <_StefanS_> hunger: I have a Nvidia Quadro 570M, but I cant get it to perform decently in 2d..
[10:17] <hunger> _StefanS_: A ATI card... it basically is a very expensive framebuffer in linux.
[10:18] <_StefanS_> hunger: yep i recently got rid of ATI in my house. But this quadro thingy is just amazingly slow... i can see the webpages, windows repaint from top and down.
[10:18] <_StefanS_> pretty b0rked.
[10:18] <hunger> _StefanS_: I have a laptop, so replacing the graphics card is not that easy.
[10:20] <_StefanS_> hunger: I replaced my laptops.
[10:20] <_StefanS_> hunger: using new thinkpads now
[10:21] <_StefanS_> ah I think i found something... dynamic clocks is ruining performance in 2d..
[10:24] <nareshov> _StefanS_: you mean dynamic cpu frequency policy?
[10:25] <_StefanS_> nareshov: nope the gpu frequency policy
[10:25] <hunger> nareshov: That or dynamic clocks on the GPU.
[10:25] <_StefanS_> nareshov: the cpu has not effect, I tried it.
[10:25] <_StefanS_> not/no
[10:26] <nareshov> k
[11:08] <Jucato> here we go again :/ http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/247/
[11:08] <Hobbsee> more spam?
[11:09] <jussi01> hmmm,
[11:09] <jussi01> Hobbsee: no the we need more paid canonical employees on kubuntu
[11:09] <Hobbsee> ah yeah
[11:10] <jussi01> then... the lovely gnome vs kde...
[11:10] <jussi01> sigh
[11:11]  * Jucato sighs with jussi01
[11:21] <Hobbsee> some nice stuff on there
[11:38]  * hunger is looking for a "clean up the base system idea"....
[11:39] <hunger> I really hate those errors visible when usplash is disabled.
[11:45] <Serega> hiya!
[11:47]  * hunger wonders which account is needed to access brainstorm...
[11:48] <Nightrose> hunger: QA account
[11:48] <Nightrose> like the one for iso testing
[11:48] <Nightrose> that is the one i used
[11:48] <hunger> That is a different one from launchpad, the wiki, mailman and whatnot?
[11:48] <Nightrose> jep
[11:48] <Nightrose> when you register a new account there it lists all the services you can use it at
[11:49] <Nightrose> just above the registration form
[11:49] <hunger> The ubuntu website is so sucky! Launchpad is so annoying and confusing, you need different accounts all over the place, the ubuntu.com site has hardly any info at all.
[11:50] <Nightrose> there was a wish @ brainstorm for access with open id for everything ;-)
[11:50] <Nightrose> I think you want to give that a +
[11:50] <hunger> There are lots of cool sites, but you need to find out about them one by one.
[11:50] <Nightrose> :P
[11:50] <hunger> Nightrose: Nope, can't be bothered to create yet another account for yet another system where I'll get ignored;-)
[11:51] <Nightrose> well I gave all the kubuntu stuff a +
[11:51] <Nightrose> we need more kubuntu there after all
[11:51] <Nightrose> at least there is a slight chance it helps
[11:52] <hunger> If something bothers me enough I'll just write some bugreport in launchpad. At least I have an account for that;-)
[11:53] <Nightrose> well once you got an account there you can use it for iso testing as well...
[11:53] <Nightrose> so it is not entirely useless
[11:53] <hunger> Iso testing is useless to me. I aptitude upgrade;-)
[11:54] <Nightrose> useless to you... - not useless to kubuntu ;-)
[11:55] <hunger> Nightrose: Sorry, I just do not care enough anymore to bother. I got work to do and there is lots of more interesting stuff out there to do in my spare time.
[11:55] <Nightrose> yea sure
[11:56] <hunger> I do write bugreports (when something annoys me enough), I even try to fix stuff and append patches to those reports, but that is all I am willing to contribute back.
[11:56] <Nightrose> which is more than a lot of other people do
[11:58] <hunger> And I do read the bugreports on the stuff I wrote, so that I may help those guys that package it. But that is not "helping ubuntu" but doing the more interesting stuff;-)
[12:02] <ryanakca> nixternal: lol :P
[12:02]  * ryanakca wonders how many other distros get spammed
[12:03] <Hobbsee> the popular ones
[12:03] <ryanakca> heh
[12:34] <mhb> good afternoon friend
[12:34] <mhb> friends
[12:39] <Hobbsee> hiya
[12:40] <Jucato> hi mhb
[12:41] <Jucato> looks like someone successfully made a kcron kcm :)
[13:03] <mhb> Jucato: groovy
[16:22] <mhb> is it so silent these days?
[16:22] <nosrednaekim> yeah.... silent....
[16:23] <nosrednaekim> actually, is it too late to change something in the desktop-effect-kde? the descriptions of the different levels need serious help :)
[16:23] <emonkey> seems like that
[16:23] <emonkey> .oO(I spoke about the silence)
[16:24] <mhb> nosrednaekim: I hope they still accept bug fixes
[16:24] <mhb> it's not even March, after all
[16:25] <nosrednaekim> ok, i'll hurry up and change that then
[18:32] <nixternal> mornin'
[18:32] <jpatrick> nixternal: don't worry, we all got killed from OFTC
[18:32] <Nightrose> hey nixternal :)
[18:32] <nixternal> heh
[18:33] <nixternal> jpatrick: any idea what that was all about?
 bug in services turning something into a *@* kline.
[18:33] <jpatrick> Rock on!
[18:33] <nixternal> ahhh
[18:33] <nixternal> nice
[18:33] <nixternal> Bug 1, OFTC 0
[18:33] <jpatrick> evenin' nonetheless :)
[18:33] <nixternal> bug in services == we got hax0red
[18:38] <jpatrick> yeah, that would explain it...
[19:00] <jpatrick> heh: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57857/
[19:09]  * nixternal puts the core-dev lu*re into the water and checks to see if they are biting
[19:10] <mhb> hax0red?
[19:10] <mhb> aww
[19:10] <nixternal> ya, I had to 1980s 1337 on it
[19:10] <mhb> what was hacked again?
[19:10] <mhb> I'm not sure I follow
[19:11] <nixternal> nothing probably, but OFTC crashed earlier giving everyone a *@* kline
[19:41] <nixternal> anyone else experiencing problems with archive.ubuntu.com?
[19:43] <Nightrose> worksforme
[19:43] <neversfelde> for me too
[19:51] <nixternal> now its working
[19:58] <_StefanS_> evening
[19:58] <_StefanS_> kwwii: hey
[19:59] <jpatrick> evening _StefanS_
[19:59] <_StefanS_> hey jp
[20:16] <nixternal> hrmm, there aren't many updates to kde 4.0.2 extragear packages
[20:16] <nixternal> mostly just strings
[20:30] <NthDegree> where can I find a list of .patch files used in the Ubuntu Gutsy kernel?
[20:30] <nixternal> ARGH!
[20:30] <jpatrick> NthDegree: http://patches.ubuntu.com/
[20:31] <jpatrick> NthDegree: apt-get source PackageNameYouWant
[20:34] <NthDegree> jpatrick: it doesn't seem to give me a list of .patch files unless i'm missing something
[20:34] <NthDegree> just one big clump of a patch
[20:39] <NthDegree> jpatrick: what i'm meaning to look for are things like the individual patch file ubuntu uses for dazuko or for apparmor for example
[20:40] <jpatrick> NthDegree: you'll have to fetch the source package then
[20:40] <NthDegree> i've got the package known as linux-source but that has kernel sources which are already patched right?
[20:41] <NthDegree> and the sources to kernel-sources are a bunch of linux-meta bits which are just confusing the hell outta me :(
[20:41] <jpatrick> maybe #ubuntu-kernel could help better?
[20:41] <NthDegree> ah, didn't know there was such a channel.. thanks =]
[21:29] <mhb> come on, it's friday night, let's have a flame war!
[21:30] <Nightrose> is this a regular thing? I must have missed it until now :P
[21:30] <Nightrose> ok do we go for the usual vi vs emacs? or something more advanced?
[21:32] <mhb> we could have a "linux is a no good unix"
[21:32] <mhb> I've heard that a lot of times
[21:33] <mhb> from the lecturers at "Introduction to UNIX"
[21:34] <Nightrose> sounds good
[21:34] <mhb> also
[21:34] <mhb> is there a command-not-found app for man pages?
[21:34] <mhb> when I need a man pages I never seem to find one
[21:34] <Nightrose> we could also do a nice kubuntu vs suse
[21:34] <mhb> or are command liners not in favour anymore?
[21:35] <mhb> Nightrose: I would have to know suse
[21:35] <Nightrose> true
[21:35] <Nightrose> ok then a kubuntu vs whatever
[21:36] <mhb> what do you think of that brainstorm think?
[21:36] <mhb> thing
[21:36] <mhb> I don't find it very helpful
[21:36] <mhb> ideas has never been a problem
[21:37] <Nightrose> well if it helps making these ideas heard then I am all for it
[21:37] <mhb> have
[21:37] <Nightrose> just not sure it does help with that
[21:37] <Nightrose> I really hope though
[21:37]  * Nightrose voted for all the good kubuntu stuff
[21:39] <mhb> I'd vote for
[21:39] <mhb> * more automation in package management
[21:39] <mhb> * more automation in configuration tool building
[21:39] <mhb> * more automation in testing
[21:39] <mhb> * spending more time code reviewing so the code isn't slow as hell
[21:40] <mhb> I've never understood how can you people tinker with packaging
[21:40] <mhb> but that's my very personal opinion
[21:42] <mhb> I'd be happy if we could just let packaging to the machines
[21:42] <mhb> and concentrate on bug fixes and coding
[21:43] <Nightrose> I suppose a lot of people would be happy with that
[21:43] <mhb> then why aren't they trying to make it reality?
[21:44] <Nightrose> iDunno
[21:45]  * Nightrose gets something to eat
[21:56] <blizzzek> in certain situations, my xserver freezes the system. thist afternoon while playing freeciv, now having amarok frontend open :-/
[22:10] <ryanakca> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe klipper-kde4 4:4.0.1-0ubuntu6 404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[22:10] <ryanakca> among others, that's after running 'sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade'
[22:11] <jpatrick> ryanakca: nixternal was experiencing similiar problems earlier
[22:11] <Riddell> seele: possibly interesting question for you http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/08/02/29/1745230.shtml
[22:12] <ryanakca> jpatrick: hmm... archive.u.c seems to go into laps of trouble... same thing happened last week.
[22:24] <nixternal> Riddell: did you get my link to the 2 debdiffs I did for gwenview and polyester?
[22:24] <nixternal> ryanakca: ya, I was getting that earlier as well
[22:26]  * kwwii makes it back from a very delayed flight
[22:26] <nixternal> howdy kwwii
[22:28] <Riddell> nixternal: nope
[22:28] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/~rj
[22:28] <Riddell> kwwii: enjoyed london?
[22:28] <nixternal> both of those are just minor fixes to close out some bugs
[22:29] <nixternal> the polyester one might be a good backport candidate
[22:29] <kwwii> Riddell: oh, package training was *so* much fun
[22:30] <Riddell> kwwii for MOTU!
[22:30] <nixternal> +1 :)
[22:30] <kwwii> and having a flight delayed so that I miss my connection in Zurich (spent 11 hours underway) was the cherry on top of it all
[22:30] <kwwii> Riddell: lol, trust me, you do not want that (but others at the company do!)
[22:38] <Riddell> nixternal: uploaded, thanks
[22:46] <mhb> man, I feel lonely :o)
[22:46] <mhb> aanyway
[22:46] <nixternal> Riddell: thank you!
[22:46] <mhb> Riddell: hi, have you tried fixing any of the jockey-kde bugs?
[22:46]  * nixternal goes and does some quick chores before getting back to bug destruction
[22:49] <mhb> hrm.
[22:51] <nixternal> howdy raphink
[23:02] <_StefanS_> kwwii: hey
[23:02] <_StefanS_> kwwii: you awake?
[23:03] <_StefanS_> kwwii: just read the scrollback... seems like some flight delays catched up with you :)
[23:03] <Riddell> mhb: I've not really look at it at all
[23:25]  * txwikinger is amused about nixternal's comment to a bug
[23:26] <Nightrose> txwikinger: the confuzius one? *g*
[23:26] <nixternal> the one where the guy told me about opening my mouth or something?
[23:27] <txwikinger> Nightrose: yep
[23:27] <nixternal> oh that one
[23:27] <nixternal> lol
[23:27] <Nightrose> hehe yea that was a good one
[23:27] <Nightrose> nixternal++
[23:27] <nosrednaekim> link?
[23:27] <nixternal> someone used a bug report to document how to compile the kernel for a grub issue or something
[23:27] <txwikinger> Confuzius confuses many very confused people
[23:27] <nixternal> I was like, put it on the wiki not here
[23:27] <Nightrose> nosrednaekim: sec
[23:27] <nixternal> that was for kmahjongg
[23:27] <txwikinger> yes nixternal
[23:28] <txwikinger> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/kdegames/+bug/181152/comments/5
[23:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181152 in kdegames-kde4 "KMahjongg generates non-solvable boards (at least when pressing shuffle)" [Undecided,Won't fix]
[23:28] <nixternal> someone in here said "oh so we should add a gnome-mode to kmahjongg"
[23:28] <Nightrose> right that one
[23:28] <nixternal> hahaha
[23:28] <Nightrose> :P
[23:29] <nosrednaekim> or like a vista mode to Minesweeper (keep the same game next timecause I think I have good short term memory and want to amaze my freinds)
[23:29] <nixternal> hahahahah
[23:30]  * Nightrose had quite a few "interesting" bugs today as well when triaging some amarok bugs
[23:31] <nosrednaekim> !info lmms (hardy)
[23:31] <ubotu> lmms (source: lmms): Linux Multimedia Studio. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.1-1ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 2529 kB, installed size 6428 kB
[23:31] <nosrednaekim> !info lmms (gutsy)
[23:31] <ubotu> lmms (source: lmms): Linux Multimedia Studio. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.0-1ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 2525 kB, installed size 6436 kB
[23:31] <nosrednaekim> my freind is singing that app's praises right now ^^
[23:32] <nosrednaekim> nixternal» hahaha....
[23:46] <nixternal> who's buying dinner?
[23:47]  * Nightrose votes for blizzzek
[23:47] <nixternal> I think I am going to make me a Chicken Caeser salda with a bit of wine
[23:48] <nixternal> ya, I can speeel, salad!
[23:48] <txwikinger> Yes, we can!
[23:49] <nixternal> the question is, should I bread and fry the chicken breast a bit or be totally healthy and broil it?
[23:50]  * nixternal goes for the unhealthy breaded and fried
[23:51] <txwikinger> deep-fry nixternal
[23:51]  * txwikinger has lived far too long in the South :D
[23:52]  * blizzzek does not participate in this terrible consumption
[23:53] <Nightrose> blizzzek: vegetarian?
[23:53] <blizzzek> yepp :)
[23:54]  * nosrednaekim chops off a chicken's neck in front of blizzzek
[23:54] <Nightrose> oO
[23:54]  * nosrednaekim sees its only a rubber chicken
[23:54] <txwikinger> Ain't chicken vegetable?
[23:54] <blizzzek> txwikinger: it isn't green, is it?
[23:55] <Nightrose> blizzzek: still paying for dinner for nixternal and me? ;-)
[23:55] <txwikinger> well.. you can put spinach in the breading
[23:56]  * txwikinger goes to breed green chicken
[23:56] <blizzzek> Nightrose: http://www.comics.com/comics/herman/archive/images/herman2008073346229.jpg
[23:57] <Nightrose> Oo
[23:58] <blizzzek> enjoy...


[22:05] <nijaba> kirkland: why are you moving everything in the UEC tuto to sub pages?  I am not sure this is making it easier to follow
[22:05] <kirkland> nijaba: it will
[22:06] <kirkland> nijaba: so much of this is common operations, whether doing a simple install, or a complex install
[22:06] <kirkland> nijaba: getting credentials
[22:06] <kirkland> nijaba: bundling an image
[22:06] <kirkland> nijaba: running an image
[22:06] <kirkland> nijaba: registering a node
[22:06] <kirkland> nijaba: otherwise, we will have so much duplicated operations
[22:06] <kirkland> nijaba: we *already* do
[22:07] <kirkland> nijaba: i'm trying to clean this up
[22:07] <kirkland> nijaba: then we build pages that point to the incremental steps
[22:07] <nijaba> kirkland: yes, I understand the factorisation, but it makes it quite difficult to print, and since in each step you now offer many options, I am afraid first time iser may get more confused
[22:08] <kirkland> nijaba: it may be slightly harder to print
[22:08] <nijaba> which is the opposite of the goals that were set when ttx and I were asked to do a simple step by step set of instructions
[22:08] <kirkland> nijaba: but i disagree that it's more confusing
[22:08] <kirkland> nijaba: i think it's less confusing
[22:08] <qman__> skuld, so you do need port forwarding as well
[22:08] <nijaba> kirkland: well, we'll see Neil's and Mark's reaction to that, as they were the ones requesting it in the first place
[22:09] <qman__> skuld, I don't have any time right now, I have to go to class, but you might try fixing it with firestarter
[22:09] <qman__> skuld, add exceptions to allow connections from the LAN to port 80
[22:12] <skuld> okay, I'll give that a ttry
[22:15] <kirkland> mdz: hmm, I'm extending the UEC documentation now in the wiki, starting at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC
[22:15] <mdz> kirkland, have you considered using includes rather than linking to the sub-pages?
[22:16] <kirkland> mdz: didn't know that was possible; will use that
[22:16] <mdz> kirkland, that would let you avoid duplication while still providing all of the necessary information on one page
[22:16] <kirkland> mdz: that's perfect, thanks
[22:16] <mdz> kirkland, <<Include(PageName)>>
[22:19] <mathiaz> kirkland: and to probably use Include, I usually add delimiters via comments in the wiki pages
[22:19] <skuld> well, that didn't work
[22:19] <skuld> LOL
[22:20] <mathiaz> kirkland: things like: ## StartGeneratePubKey
[22:20] <mathiaz> kirkland: and then you can use the Include macro with start='## StartGeneratePubKey' options
[22:20] <mathiaz> kirkland: similarly there is an end option
[22:21] <kirkland> mdz: perfect
[22:21] <kirkland> mathiaz: cool, thanks
[22:21] <mdz> mathiaz, neat, I didn't know about that
[22:22] <mathiaz> mdz: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/May2009
[22:22] <kirkland> nijaba: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC
[22:22] <kirkland> nijaba: there you go ;-)
[22:23] <mathiaz> mdz: that's how I usually include the server team report in the team report
[22:23] <nijaba> mdz, kirkland: wonderfull -> best of both worlds
[22:29] <kirkland> nijaba: do you mind if I move UEC -> UEC/CDInstall, and make a new UEC page that links to 1. UEC/CDInstall (simple, basic setup) and 2. UEC/PackageInstall (complex, custom setup)
[22:29] <nijaba> kirkland: not at all, I think that would be fine
[22:29] <kirkland> nijaba: thx
[22:32] <SyL> kirkland: you have a UEC/CDINSTALL page?
[22:35] <kirkland> SyL: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/CDInstall
[22:35] <kirkland> SyL: work-in-progress
[22:35] <SyL> kirkland: would suggest a page with all-in-one as well
[22:36] <kirkland> SyL: what do you mean?
[22:36] <SyL> cluster and node on the same machine
[22:37] <SyL> kirkland: and have you gotten it working after updating the packages?
[22:40] <kirkland> SyL: i have not gotten nc on the same system as the cc
[22:41] <kirkland> SyL: i understand from nurmi that this is not recommended, or even possible, due to some networking configuration reasons
[22:43] <ahe> oh perfect, i just wanted to ask how many machines i need to build my own uec for testing purposes
[22:43] <SyL> heh
[22:43] <ahe> did i get that right that i need at leas two physical machines?
[22:43] <kirkland> ahe: 2, yes
[22:45] <ahe> so i think i need to go shopping because i don't think that any of my spare machines fits the minimum hardware requirements
[22:45] <SyL> kirkland: I thought it could work with only one machine
[22:46] <kirkland> SyL: where did you see this described?
[22:46] <kirkland> SyL: i'm willing to entertain the possibilty, but I have not succeeded in doing such things
[22:48] <SyL> kirkland: I remember someone getting it working a few months ago. I don't see why it wouldn't even if it was for a quick proof of concept
[22:48] <kirkland> SyL: you're welcome to try
[22:56] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #328550 in udev (main) "qla2xxx takes ~one minute to initialize per device" [Medium,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/328550
[23:09] <nijaba> kirkland: EtienneG got it to work on a single machine, but it is a ugly that he is not willing to document.
[23:09] <kirkland> nijaba: gotcha, that's what I suspect
[23:10] <kirkland> SyL: ^
[23:10] <nijaba> kirkland: the minimum requirements are maybe a bit too high for a simple "discovery" install.  Will work fine one lower machine, just a bit slower...
[23:10] <nijaba> s/one/on
[23:11] <kirkland> nijaba: okay, set the Minimum ones to what you think
[23:11] <nijaba> kirkland: ok, I'll do that and then -> bed
[23:11] <kirkland> nijaba: i know that my installs were *failing* because I was installing from a 32GB SSD, and it didn't have enough space to run a single VM (this was back when we had 10GB images, though)
[23:13] <nijaba> kirkland: disk wise, I think your reco are fine.  It is just that you can start a cc + cloud machine with just 512Mo ram, and 1G is what I would say is minimum for the nc
[23:13] <kirkland> nijaba: fair enough; you're welcome to update those Minimums
[23:15] <nijaba> kirkland: done.  and now, goodnight :)
[23:16] <mathiaz> zul: have you seen some issue with karmic and nmbd?
[23:16] <mathiaz> zul: it seems that sometimes nmbd doesn't stat
[23:16] <mathiaz> zul: *start*
[23:16] <SyL> kirkland: but it works for you on 2 machiens out of the box before updating packages?
[23:16] <mathiaz> zul: at boot
[23:17] <nijaba> SyL: it will if you take the 20091020 iso from cdimage.ubuntu.com
[23:17] <mathiaz> zul: I suspect that nmbd starts when the network is not ready yet - the last line in the log.nmbd is 2009/10/20 18:15:01,  0] nmbd/nmbd.c:693(open_sockets)
[23:17] <mneptok> there is no data, only zul.
[23:19] <kirkland> nijaba: night
[23:27] <SyL> nijaba: ok, I will try this again
[23:28] <mushroomblue> are there any common reasons for why it takes roughly 35 seconds to get a prompt after entering my password at login?
[23:28] <SyL> nijaba: server too?
[23:49] <ruben23> hi, is it possible to setup vsftpd server using this settings..------->http://pastebin.com/m589bf6a1