[01:39] <CIA-3> partman-crypto: cjwatson * r673 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog finish.d/crypto_config):
[01:39] <CIA-3> partman-crypto: Use UUIDs only if available, fixing key types other than passphrase
[01:39] <CIA-3> partman-crypto: since only LUKS actually has a UUID (LP: #321732).
[01:40] <CIA-3> partman-crypto: cjwatson * r674 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 36ubuntu3
[03:36] <Torgoton1> I'd like to help get the installer working on my old (old, so old) ThinkPad. I've got Ubuntu Jaunty Alpha installed on a different 'pad. I am installing d-i as on the InstallerDevelopment wiki page. What's a good next step? Install development tools?
[03:58] <TheMuso> Torgoton1: How old is the ThinkPad?
[03:58] <TheMuso> Torgoton1: And have you tried the alternate installer CD?
[03:59] <Torgoton1> TheMuso: Too old. No CD drive. I can start a net boot install. It's got 36MB RAM, and a 486 CPU.
[04:00] <TheMuso> Torgoton1: Well I think you're out of luck. I don't think Ubuntu is trying to aim for that old hardware, you may be better off with debian.
[04:00] <Torgoton1> Maybe. There is a page on the wiki that states 32MB is required for a bare minimum install, and CJ said he might put some effort into getting it to work for 9.04.
[04:01] <Torgoton1> I can help some... capture serial console logs and such... just not sure where to dig in.
[04:01] <TheMuso> Fair enough.
[04:02] <Torgoton1> also not sure how to even try to get new code onto the thing. Wasn't easy. I used floppies (gasp) to copy over the two netboot files.
[04:03]  * TheMuso nods.
[04:28] <Torgoton1> later
[08:51] <lool> cjwatson: FYI, d-i built past ixp4xx after your last change; however it fails to build later on according to Michael
[08:54] <NCommander> hey cjwatson
[08:59] <lool> cjwatson: Ok, given the image doesn't work for NCommander and he doesn't have a serial console please disable ixp4xx and sorry for the noise
[08:59] <lool> (bug #322217)
[09:00] <NCommander> cjwatson, I also am filling a sync request for a missing package we need in Ubuntu (micro-evtd)
[09:04] <cjwatson> disable ixp4xx altogether, or just the nslu2 part? (I'd prefer the latter if that makes sense)
[09:04] <NCommander> cjwatson, it builds file
[09:04] <NCommander> (ixp4xx)
[09:04] <NCommander> THe FTBFS is from onion, due to the missing udeb
[09:05] <cjwatson> why's the bug on debian-installer rather than linux?
[09:05] <cjwatson> which missing udeb?
[09:05] <NCommander> cjwatson, as far as I know, the ixp4xx kernel is known to boot
[09:05] <cjwatson> and I assume you mean orion
[09:05] <NCommander> orion
[09:05] <NCommander> yeah
[09:05]  * NCommander is not having much luck with spelling today and maybe taking a sign to sleep
[09:05] <cjwatson> ok, just as long as you know I'm not going to do anything with that bug :)
[09:05] <NCommander> cjwatson, micro-evtd is the missing package in Ubuntu
[09:06] <cjwatson> ok
[09:07] <NCommander> cjwatson, the sync request got filed, I'm just waiting for the bug # to pop up
[09:07] <cjwatson> so which bits of the d-i armel build are the useful bits that you guys *actually* want? :-)
[09:07] <NCommander> Well, I personally would like the netboot d-i images built so we can make sure d-i on ARM fully works (although I've heard reports it works on QEMU)
[09:08] <cjwatson> which subarch?
[09:08] <cjwatson> netboot is a medium not a subarch
[09:08] <lool> cjwatson: doko and myself have a thecus n2100 which is an IOP
[09:08] <lool> cjwatson: I think NSLU2 is rather popular hardware, but I don't have any myself
[09:08] <NCommander> I have an ixp4xx, and I'm willing to solder on the serial console to figure out what has gone wrong with d-i on it
[09:09] <cjwatson> why don't we continue building ixp4xx even though it doesn't work for the moment
[09:09] <cjwatson> if nothing else, it will make it easier for people to debug it
[09:09] <lool> cjwatson: In general I'd love to keep any Debian port which we can QA
[09:09]  * NCommander would agree with that being the source of action
[09:10] <cjwatson> NCommander: you know that micro-evtd is already in the archive?
[09:10] <NCommander> Er, it didn't pop up when I searched for it
[09:10] <cjwatson> it's one version behind, happy to sync that
[09:10] <cjwatson> micro-evtd | 3.3.3-6+lenny2 | jaunty/universe | source, armel
[09:10] <NCommander> Strange
[09:11] <NCommander> It should find it (I enabled universe in the sources.list.udeb ...)
[09:11] <cjwatson> lool: could you give micro-evtd the once-over for main inclusion, perhaps?
[09:12] <cjwatson> and somebody should file a bug for the same
[09:12] <NCommander> cjwatson, if yo have no objection, I'll do the MIR
[09:12] <cjwatson> none at all, please do
[09:13] <cjwatson> I've synced +lenny3
[09:15] <NCommander> Thanks cjwatson
[09:16] <lool> The package is ok for promotion; the packaging could be cleaned up a little but it's good enough
[09:17] <NCommander> qcontrol-udeb is also a needed one
[09:18] <lool> NCommander: It's in sync and it built on armel
[09:19] <NCommander> yup, just grabbed the binary and I chucked it into localudebs
[09:19] <lool> I guess you want main promotion as well?
[09:20] <lool> Hmm there's an issue of /tmp usage with micro_evtd
[09:21] <NCommander> lool, /tmp usage?
[09:21] <lool> Yeah, it system(strEventScript); with sprintf(strEventScript, "/%s/micro_evtd/EventScript %c %d %ld %s %s %d %c", (CP_SCRIPT ==  cmd? "etc" : strTmpPath), ...
[09:21] <lool> strTmpPath is /tmp
[09:22] <NCommander> ugh :-/, thats ugly
[09:22] <lool> It seems it's only for custom commands
[09:24] <NCommander> lool, I'm not used to checking for suig binaries, it does some weird permission things in rules, wanted to make sure I wasn't overlooking things
[09:24] <NCommander> ^can you double-check for me that isn't the case
[09:26] <NCommander>   qcontrol-udeb: Depends: input-modules but it is not installable
[09:26] <NCommander> ugh :-/
[09:28] <cjwatson> perhaps built in on armel
[09:28] <cjwatson> find out which module it actually wants and find out if it's =y in our kernel
[09:29] <NCommander> Oh, that's a udeb?
[09:29] <lool> qcontrol has an unsigned int / int mismatch
[09:29] <NCommander> e
[09:29] <NCommander> *er
[09:29] <NCommander> kernel udeb?
[09:29] <lool> It checks an int against 0x80
[09:29] <cjwatson> if so, (a) you can temporarily remove the dependency, (b) medium-term, the corresponding kernel-image udeb should Provides: input-modules
[09:29] <cjwatson> NCommander: the kernel udebs are conventionally foo-modules-ABI Provides: foo-modules
[09:29] <NCommander> ah
[09:30] <cjwatson> if something is built into the kernel, then the correct behaviour is to have kernel-image-ABI Provides: foo-modules
[09:30] <cjwatson> the kernel guys may not be doing this accurately though
[09:31] <NCommander> Looking at the kernel build, yeah, we're not building input modules
[09:31] <cjwatson> input-modules conventionally contains several different things, so check qcontrol to find out which individual module it cares about
[09:31] <NCommander> (as a udeb)
[09:31] <cjwatson> right, but we may well be building in the actual drivers it wants
[09:34] <NCommander> I'll check as soon as I finish writing up this MIR
[09:44] <NCommander> cjwatson, here's my inital draft of the micro-evtd MIR: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportMicroEvtd#preview
[09:45] <NCommander> (any hints on how to turn off the rampant italtics would be appreciated)
[09:48] <cjwatson> (well, I would fix it, but you have the page open)
[10:32] <lool> NCommander: You were missing a ' after UI standards
[10:32] <lool> I fixed it
[10:32] <lool> I filed a bug with a "patch" for the qcontrol buffer handling trivia
[11:06] <lool> I filed a bug about the micro-evtd security issues, but I'm not too hot on its promotion   :6/
[11:10] <NCommander> Ok, my ISP offically hates me
[11:10] <NCommander> cjwatson, I missed your comments (if any) on my MIR draft
[11:11] <cjwatson> I didn't make any
[11:11] <NCommander> oh ...
[11:12] <lool> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/01/28/%23ubuntu-installer.txt you only missed that I filed a bug about the micro-evtd security issue
[11:12] <NCommander> Thanks lool
[11:13] <NCommander> lool, I'll amend the MIR, do you see any other issues with it? (I always like to get a second person to look at these thing)
[11:14] <lool> NCommander: You know I'll have to comment on the MIR bug anyway  :-)
[11:15]  * NCommander falls over
[11:15] <lool> NCommander: But I wouldn't like promoting the package with the number of problems in the source
[11:15] <NCommander> Hrm
[11:15] <NCommander> We could probably drop the need for this package
[11:15] <lool> e.g. no read()/write() return code handling, syslog(LOG_INFO, message) instead of "%s", message etc.
[11:15] <NCommander> But that would cause the user to have no visual feedback that d-i is ready for an openssh connection.
[11:16] <cjwatson> or we could fix the source
[11:17] <NCommander> Which to make sure we don't accident break anything requires someone with said hardware to test it.
[11:17] <lool> Fixing the tmpdir usage is not trivial; also it should be tested on real hardware in the end
[11:17] <lool> It's using the same vars for plenty of things, and I don't understand all the possible code pathes
[11:17] <lool> The read()/write()/syslog() issues are indeed trivial to solve
[11:18] <NCommander> If someone has one of these beasts, I have no issue working to fix it, but I'm not a fan of randomly making code changes :-)
[11:19] <lool> cjwatson: I understand that we need to fix main/universe mismatches before the release, but is it ok to leave it in universe for now in the hope that upstream can help fixing the issue?
[11:20] <lool> (Or in the hope we'll have time + hardware to fix it ourselves, or just dropping this udeb if we don't)
[11:25] <cjwatson> well, we can't build d-i with it until it's in main
[11:25] <cjwatson> we can drop it for the time being?
[11:26] <lool> cjwatson: Please do; I don't see micro-eventd fixed in a very short term
[11:29] <cjwatson> I'll seed both micro-evtd-udeb and qcontrol-udeb so that they do show up as mismatches
[11:29] <lool> I'm ok to promote qcontrol
[11:29] <lool> The only code issue I found doesn't affect arm/armel
[11:30] <lool> cjwatson: thanks
[11:30] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1026 ubuntu/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
[11:30] <CIA-3> debian-installer: Build orion5x images without micro-evtd for now, as it needs work before
[11:30] <CIA-3> debian-installer: inclusion in main.
[11:31] <cjwatson> any MIR or anything for qcontrol?
[11:31] <lool> NCommander: ^^^?
[11:31] <NCommander> Not yet, I still need to figure out what qcontrol needs
[11:31] <NCommander> (not going to write an MIR until I can actually install the bugger :-))
[11:32] <lool> I'm ok with just a bug for the qcontrol MIR, it's relatively trivial so I wont insist on a wiki page
[11:32] <lool> NCommander: It only bdeps on liblua5.1-0-dev which is in main
[11:33] <lool> And it depends on liblua5.1-0 which is obviously in main as well
[11:33] <lool> udeb depends on libc6-udeb and input-modules
[11:33]  * NCommander thought MIRs were always required expect in cases where one binary of a source package in main already needed a bump ...
[11:34] <NCommander> ^wiki pages
[11:34] <NCommander> cjwatson, with orion5x disabled, I should be able to do a full d-i build
[11:37] <cjwatson> if a member of the ubuntu-mir team says otherwise then a bug is fine
[11:37] <cjwatson> they have discretion
[11:37] <NCommander> WOrks for me
[11:43] <NCommander> lool, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qcontrol/+bug/322261
[11:44] <CIA-3> localechooser: cjwatson * r143 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog localechooser): merge from Debian 2.09 (the hard way, since that was released from the lenny branch)
[11:44] <lool> NCommander: It's "Frans" not Francs
[11:45] <NCommander> Ok, thats it, no more bugs for me tonight :-P
[11:45] <NCommander> (fixed)
[11:46] <lool> Yeah, I did fix it
[11:46] <NCommander> oh
[11:46] <NCommander> I think we both edited it at the same time ...
[11:47] <CIA-3> localechooser: cjwatson * r144 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.09ubuntu1
[11:54] <NCommander> cjwatson, I'll investigate the input-modules mystery, and then get back to you on that tommorow (I need to get some sleep tonight)
[11:55] <cjwatson> qcontrol promoted
[11:56] <cjwatson> I haven't promoted the qcontrol binary, only qcontrol-udeb; seed the qcontrol binary if you want it and an archive admin will do it at some point
[11:57] <lool> Thanks
[12:59] <davmor2-away> evand, cjwatson: are either of you running a jaunty test box?
[13:01] <cjwatson> how about my laptop?
[13:02] <davmor2-away> cjwatson: do you do daily updates on it?
[13:04] <davmor2-away> I have an issue currently but I'm not sure if it is my box or ubuntu.  After a major update you get the restart icon appear in the panel.  When clicking on it it seems to log out rather than restart
[13:06] <cjwatson> not daily
[13:07] <cjwatson> I think you would get better answers on #ubuntu-bugs or #ubuntu+1 or #ubuntu-desktop or something ...
[13:07] <cjwatson> I'm not about to restart my laptop right now to find out :)
[13:28] <charlie-tca> davmor2-away: Is that happening all the time? I have seen it sometimes.
[13:46] <davmor2-away> charlie-tca: not sure I've only done 2 updates and it's happen once out of those 2 times
[13:47] <charlie-tca> I do updates daily; working on this system with jaunty installed. It does happen, just not every update.
[13:47] <charlie-tca> Also, yesterday, updates came in about 5 times through update manager.
[14:15] <lool> cjwatson: I pushed a new qcontrol dropping the dep and filed bug #322311; do you know whether the Provides have the same meaning on all flavours?
[14:15] <lool> cjwatson: e.g. does input-modules imply the same modules whatever the flavour?
[14:15] <cjwatson> not precisely but the same general kind of thing
[14:15] <cjwatson> but qcontrol is almost certainly looking for particular modules
[14:15] <lool> It is
[14:15] <cjwatson> ok, gpio_keys
[14:16] <cjwatson> it doesn't matter if the exact set of modules varies a bit
[14:16] <lool> But because this module isn't qnap specific, I can't tell whether all flavours should get the module and provide
[14:16] <cjwatson> you could compare with Debian's udebs
[14:17] <lool> That might or might not be conclusive, I'll check thanks
[14:28] <lool> So it's not the same modules in all the input-modules, and in fact I don't know why I was asking as I know realize there's one input modules per flavour...
[14:34] <lool> cjwatson: What rule did you use to create the debian/d-i/exclude-modules.armel*?
[14:34] <cjwatson> trial and error
[14:34] <lool> Hmm
[14:34] <cjwatson> I think it was modules that were clearly built into the kernel
[14:35] <cjwatson> and where it didn't make sense to have a reduced file in modules-armel*/
[14:35] <cjwatson> it's a while, though
[14:36] <lool> Ok, I admit I'm starting to get a bit lost in the amount of things I need to touch and in which order; I had asked to start our armel kernel flavours' configs from Debian, but they obviously don't match or provide the same modules; in particular versatile is very broken in this respect
[14:37] <lool> I know amitk was working on cleaning up the config after the mess of the last changes, and I'm not confident to fix it myself
[15:44] <davmor2> cjwatson: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html is this the most up-to-date docs for kickstart?
[15:47] <davmor2> sorry wrong link same but 8.10 not 7.04
[15:53] <_ruben> yes
[15:54] <davmor2> cool ta
[16:03] <cjwatson> yeah, it is
[16:33] <DogWater> cjwatson: was that note you posted on the bug for the x64 version?
[16:34] <cjwatson> it was not architecture-specific
[16:34] <cjwatson> I tried to tell you it on IRC but you had left
[16:40] <aliguori> installing intreprid server under kvm, when you get to the "Installing Additional Components" screen, it starts redrawing the full screen repeatedly.  This is very slow in KVM and brings the installer stops making progress
[16:40] <aliguori> this didn't happen in hardy though
[16:40] <aliguori> has something changed about how that screen is redrawn in interpid?
[16:41] <cjwatson> not to my knowledge
[16:41] <cjwatson> if it has, it'll be at a lower level such as newt or slang that I don't typically deal with or know a whole lot about
[16:41] <cjwatson> or possibly the kernel
[16:41] <aliguori> it's as if there's a clearscreen happening every second and then a full redraw
[16:42] <aliguori> it only happens with that screen (well, that's as far as I've gotten in the installer)
[16:42] <cjwatson> that almost sounds like you're running out of memory and the installer is crashing and being restarted
[16:43] <cjwatson> look at /var/log/syslog (tty4) to confirm
[16:43] <cjwatson> if you change ttys and it respawns on the current tty, that confirms that the whole installer is crashing
[16:43] <aliguori> okay, i'll check that
[16:48] <aliguori> ugh, of course i now can't reproduce it
[16:48] <aliguori> maybe it's a kvm problem
[16:48] <aliguori> i'll dig deeper, thanks
[16:53] <cjwatson> aliguori: did you forget to pass -m to kvm, perhaps? common mistake
[16:54] <cjwatson> it defaults to 128MB which is inconveniently small
[16:54] <aliguori> cjwatson, 128mb is too small for a server install?
[16:54] <aliguori> really?
[16:54] <aliguori> cjwatson, no, i never pass -m and it's not been a problem in the past
[16:55] <cjwatson> probably shouldn't be
[16:55] <cjwatson> more of a problem for desktop
[16:57] <aliguori> when i can reproduce it again, i'll see if it's an OOM.  if it is, it's either that 128 is not enough or something is leaking memory
[16:57] <aliguori> but it could be a kvm issue.  i'm running a second vm now and i can't reproduce it, so i'm suspicious
[16:58] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r2989 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[16:58] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: grub-installer
[16:58] <CIA-3> ubiquity: 1.36ubuntu1, localechooser 2.09ubuntu1, user-setup 1.23ubuntu8.
[17:00] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r2990 ubiquity/debian/po/ (79 files): debconf-updatepo
[17:25] <DogWater> cjwatson: so that should fix the x64 problem i was having or? the x86 version works flawlessly without that flag
[17:26] <cjwatson> DogWater: it does *now*
[17:26] <cjwatson> DogWater: the kernel from -proposed was only moved into -updates yesterday; once that happened the rules changed :-)
[17:26] <DogWater> well that is certainly ominous ;-)
[17:27] <cjwatson> (a) retry the amd64 installation, if it works be happy (b) if it doesn't work use apt-setup/proposed=true
[17:28] <DogWater> if thats all it takes to make me happy what im I paying my therapist for
[17:30] <DogWater> cjwatson: still indicates that no kernel modules were found.. etc
[17:30] <DogWater> cjwatson: were you actually able to install using that initrd/kernel?
[17:32] <cjwatson> have you tried apt-setup/proposed=true?
[17:32] <cjwatson> (if not why not?)
[17:32] <cjwatson> also, does your mirror contain -proposed?
[17:32] <DogWater> yes, i put it in the append initrd line, does it go in the kernel line? in pxelinux
[17:32] <cjwatson> it goes in the append line
[17:33] <DogWater> ah, i didn't yet add intrepid-proposed to the mirror. i'll try installing off of archive.ubuntu.com
[17:33] <cjwatson> since you are using your own mirror I am guessing that the problem is that it is incomplete
[17:33] <cjwatson> you can add intrepid-proposed to -d (and I think it is likely that you are also missing intrepid-updates, perhaps more importantly)
[17:34] <DogWater> no, i have intrepid updates
[17:34] <DogWater> its been downloading source for about 24hr
[17:34] <DogWater> its almost done
[17:35] <cjwatson> mm, yes, almost done is usually not enough to run an installation off ;-)
[17:35] <cjwatson> debmirror doesn't put the index files in place until it's actually finished
[17:35] <DogWater> well, the install works fine without source, though
[17:35] <DogWater> it complains but it appears to work
[17:35] <cjwatson> it doesn't care about source, but if you are using the initrd from -proposed/-updates then you need the binary packages from -proposed/-updates to go with it, or it will break
[17:36] <DogWater> ah, yeah i'll add proposed then
[17:36] <DogWater> by the way, do the earlier versions such as 8.04 and 7.10 kickstarts work or are they broken as 8.10 was previously?
[17:36] <cjwatson> they do not contain the bug that broke busybox getopt
[17:37] <cjwatson> that one was 8.10 only, due to a glitch in a merge from Debian
[17:37] <DogWater> well thats good news at least hopefully it will be fairly easy to automate those two
[17:39] <DogWater> cjwatson: by having that proposed flag in the pxelinux am i at risk of running some bleeding edge stuff which could be unstable, etc?
[17:40] <cjwatson> yes
[17:40] <cjwatson> so try it without first
[17:40] <cjwatson> once you fix your mirror
[17:41] <DogWater> cjwatson: well it couldn't be the mirror, because that line is required when installing with archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[17:41] <cjwatson> it WAS required before we put the -11 kernel in -updates
[17:41] <cjwatson> it should not be required now
[17:41] <DogWater> oh
[17:41] <DogWater> oic u812
[17:41] <DogWater> hrm
[17:42] <DogWater> so essentially the reason the x86 version works fine is because for whatever reason that update spread faster?
[17:42] <cjwatson> or you tested the i386 build after the amd64 build ...
[17:43] <DogWater> Hm? No, I only tried the x64 version after getting i386 to work
[17:43] <DogWater> x64 is almost an afterthought around here but i need it to work
[17:43] <cjwatson> perhaps your mirror handles amd64 differently, I don't know. Retest amd64 now and come back to me if it's still broken on archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[17:43] <cjwatson> (BTW it isn't called "x64")
[17:44] <cjwatson> (at least not in this part of the world ...)
[17:44] <DogWater> sorry i deal with something like 40 different operating systems if you count distributions
[17:45] <cjwatson> ok
[17:45] <DogWater> centos calls it x86-64 you call it amd64, windows calls it x64
[17:45] <DogWater> etc
[17:46] <cjwatson> I don't really see how the amd64 kernel could somehow propagate any faster; our mirroring methods are rather careful to keep things in sync
[17:46] <cjwatson> I would need to see logs of the failed installation
[17:47] <DogWater> I'm not complaining it just confuses me being who I am to see the i386 version work and the amd64 version not work given everything else being the same
[17:49] <DogWater> my mind expects parity
[17:51] <cjwatson> so does mine, and they *should* be at parity here
[17:51] <cjwatson> but I don't want to end up trying to investigate a bug in your mirror, and so I'd prefer confirmation that it's still broken on archive.ubuntu.com
[17:52] <cjwatson> we don't generally release updates out of step across architectures
[17:52] <DogWater> if i add the line to the append = in pxelinux and use archive.ubuntu.com it works, if i just use archive.ubuntu.com it doesnt. I don't need that line on i386 no matter what mirror i use.
[17:52] <DogWater> thats what im trying to convey
[17:53] <cjwatson> I would like to see logs of the failure when you do not add apt-setup/proposed=true and use archive.ubuntu.comm
[17:54] <cjwatson> I cannot easily do an amd64 test at the moment
[17:56] <DogWater> maybe i'm totally wrong actually let me test some more ;-)
[17:57] <DogWater> maybe my mirror doesnt work, i dunno ;-)
[17:57] <DogWater> i have i386,amd64 in the architectures
[18:26] <DogWater> cjwatson: damn i hate it when you're right when i switched my debmirror to archives the first thing it downloaded was headers for the new kernel
[18:27] <DogWater> and modules
[18:27] <cjwatson> heh
[18:27] <cjwatson> good to hear it's sorted
[18:27] <DogWater> it will be in 24hr when its done downloading, lol
[18:32] <nicehumen> anyone knows where is indian support
[18:33] <nicehumen> i mean channel
[18:35] <cjwatson> no idea, sorry
[18:35] <cjwatson> did you try for example googling for "ubuntu indian irc"?
[20:26] <DogWater> cjwatson: anecdotally, do you have to wait for an entire run of debmirror to complete before the new stuff it downloaded will be 'available'?
[20:41] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r2991 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.11.5
[21:54] <cjwatson> DogWater: yes
[21:55] <cjwatson> DogWater: as I said above, it only moves the index files into place at the end, and until that happens nothing will know that the new files are available
[23:37] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1027 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu11
[23:45] <CIA-3> installation-guide: cjwatson * r443 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog en/appendix/preseed.xml): Document pkgsel/install-recommends.


[10:19] <uBUXUBu> good morning technicians
[12:59] <bassmax> Hi all, I'm wondering where to find the menu file configuration in saucy flavour ?
[13:00] <bassmax> goal : backup actual one and user-wise editing one (for grandpa!)
[13:02] <bassmax> the ones in /etc/xdg/menus not refers to the one used
[14:14] <koell> What are the advantages/disadvantages of different partitions on a NAS?
[14:15] <rosemball> what are you trying to do with your NAS?
[14:16] <koell> rosemball: streaming and backups are the main purposes of the nas
[14:17] <rosemball> so you want different partitions for your media and backups?
[14:17] <koell> rosemball: thats the plan. idk if it's a good idea...
[14:18] <rosemball> What raid setup are you using?
[14:19] <koell> rosemball: no raid. just one external hard drive on my pi. its more like a low end nas.
[14:23] <rosemball> well, I think you would be better off with only one partition
[14:25] <rosemball> IMO partitioning is the way to go if: 1) you want to use different FS in the same disk (like ext4 and the swap). 2) you have more than 1 disk and want to put different mountpoints in them (like / in disk 1 and /home in disk 2)
[14:29] <rosemball> also, partitioning on the same disk is good if you frequently format one partition and leave the other one intact (like keeping /home and formatting /)
[14:32] <koell> rosemball: great, thank you for your help! i'll prefer this too. it's much more simpler and cleaner solution.
[14:35] <rosemball> koell, you're welcome
[14:37] <koell> rosemball: do you also know, if it's possible to backup my music, photos, and videos to a 2nd hdd with ntfs filesystem? i would like to have a 2nd disk to use it as mobile hdd i can go with, which also works on windows pcs
[14:42] <rosemball> yes, it is possible
[14:43] <rosemball> you want to mount it on your NAS or directly on your pc?
[18:47] <ddsss> so - does anyone know how long will it take for lxde to switch to qt?
[18:50] <ianorlin> It will take longer than until April for lubuntu to switch and 14.10 at the earliest it is not stable yet
[18:51] <ianorlin> there is a way to build it from source on the lxde blog but is not stable
[18:52] <ddsss> ianorlin, but it's a definitive switch - right. LXDE is definitely switching to qt- the question is just in timing - right?
[19:25] <ianorlin> yes
[19:46] <bassmax> Hi. Try to make my own .desktop with Type=Link, but failed to add it with existings applet of lxpanel. Any clue ?
[20:15] <ohhmaar> So i installed 32bit lubuntu 13.10 on this old desktop, and when I boot I am presented a "Localhost login" screen
[20:15] <ohhmaar> I have tried the username/password i setup during the installation
[20:15] <ohhmaar> Doesn't work
[20:15] <ohhmaar> Anyone know the default? whats the workaround for this?
[20:20] <ianorlin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword
[20:24] <ohhmaar> I don't think that applies to me
[20:24] <ohhmaar> upon boot i see this ubuntu 13.10 local host.localdomain tty1
[20:26] <ianorlin> can you log into that?
[20:26] <ianorlin> what kind of graphics card?
[20:26] <ianorlin> !nomodeset
[20:27] <ianorlin> what does hitting control alt f7 do?
[20:27] <ohhmaar> i cannot login, it's an old pc, amd athlon xp
[20:27] <ohhmaar> processor
[20:27] <ohhmaar> altf7 removes the screen and i get command line
[20:27] <ohhmaar> but i cannot type anything
[20:28] <ianorlin> are you sure you installed from a good disk?
[20:29] <ohhmaar> yes, ill try once more. maybe this pc can't handle lubuntu? i have yet to try puppy linux
[20:29] <ianorlin> not install but there is a testdisk option on the disk
[20:29] <ohhmaar> oh yes it passed the tests
[20:30] <ianorlin> hmm not sure then
[20:31] <ohhmaar> recommend any other distros?
[22:41] <theowner997_> Anyone knows how can I take screenshots in Lubuntu?
[22:42] <Unit193> Lubuntu comes with scrot, and Print Screen dumps a file in your home.
[22:42] <koell> theowner997_: use shutter
[22:42] <koell> theowner997_: its in lubuntu software-center. very easy and nice tool
[22:45] <theowner997_> Last question : I want to play my legit copy of Counter Strike 1.6 in lubuntu , do i need any drivers or something?
[22:47] <koell> theowner997_: puh i dont know if it works. but i use "play on linux" for a few windows games. but i dont know if there is a native version of cs on steam...?
[22:48] <theowner997_> counter strike 1.6 original version is supported in linux , I am just asking if any drivers are needed
[22:49] <koell> theowner997_: do u have both onboard and gpu card?
[22:50] <theowner997_> I don't understand what do you mean, I have a netbook with intel atom 1.6 ghz and intel graphics 2gb of ram


[07:42] <jose> dpm: ping
[07:42] <dpm> hola jose
[07:42] <jose> hey!
[07:43] <jose> estoy terminando de traducir el segundo set de diapositivas pero me entra la duda, los documentos de la API ya fueron movidos en su totalidad a developer.u.c?
[07:43] <jose> o sigo haciendo la referencia al sitio de knitzsche en people.c.c?
[07:45] <elfy> jose: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2014/01/23/trusty-alpha-2-available-for-testing/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=trusty-alpha-2-available-for-testing
[07:46] <jose> elfy: did I make any mistakes there?
[07:46] <elfy> has your name against it - can you fix? if you can there is a dodgy ; in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu;/releases/trusty/alpha-2/
[07:46]  * jose hides
[07:46] <elfy> :p
[07:46] <jose> sure, let me do it real quick
[07:47] <elfy> but it's not your fault - I assume it's riddell's fault :)
[07:47] <jose> all sorted now :)
[07:48] <elfy> cheers :p
[07:48] <jose> dpm: ^
[07:49]  * jose has to go to university tomorrow, paperwork paperwork and more paperwork!
[07:51] <dpm> jose, ahora te lo miro
[07:51] <jose> genial, gracias :)
[07:52] <dpm> jose, los documentos estan todos en d.u.c. - si hay alguno en que te falta el URL nuevo, envíame una lista y te paso todos los URL
[07:54] <jose> genial, entonces borraré la referencia al otro sitio
[07:56] <jose> dpm: te acabo de enviar el segundo set traducido :)
[07:56] <jose> ahora toca ir a la cama por unas horas, nos vemos más tarde!
[07:56] <dpm> jose, oh, wow, eres una máquina!
[07:56] <jose> :P
[07:56] <dpm> gracias :)
[07:56] <jose> no hay de qué :)
[08:03] <dholbach> good morning
[08:06] <dpm> hey dholbach
[08:06] <dholbach> hey dpm
[13:28]  * dholbach relocates - brb
[18:57] <jose> jono: hey, you know if ubuntu touch supports LTE?
[19:06] <jono> jose, it is on the roadmap, not sure if it doesnow
[19:06] <jono> maybe mhall119 will know
[19:06] <jose> cool, thanks!
[19:07] <mhall119> jose: just GSM right now as far as I know, mostly because our only officially supported devices are 3g/gsm
[19:07] <jose> cool
[19:07] <mhall119> jose: but like jono said, it's on the roadmap
[19:08] <jose> mhall119: I'm presenting Touch to the Peruvian community tomorrow, so I wanna know the answer to most probable questions :)
[19:23] <mhall119> jose: awesome, let me know how it goes
[19:23] <jose> sure, will take lots of photos :)
[19:23] <mhall119> jose: usually the questions I get are about what devices it supports
[19:24] <mhall119> and what apps it will run (like, will it run Android apps, which it won't)
[19:24] <jose> about devices, should I tell the galaxy nexus, N7 2012 and N10 are already deprecated?
[19:25] <mhall119> jose: yes, though be sure to emphasize that they aren't dead as long as community people step up and take over maintaining and testing them
[19:25] <jose> ok!
[19:25] <mhall119> like community people already do for all the other devices that Ubuntu's been ported to


[00:53] <ScottK> amichair: I updated that page.
[01:16] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: you were looking for me the other day?
[01:17] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: no, I was just trying to abuse your nick for fun stuff IIRC :P
[01:17] <DarkwingDuck> ;)
[01:18] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: quick question... qt for kde/kubuntu reasons... python or c++?
[01:18] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: c++
[01:18] <apachelogger> for kde anyway
[01:18] <apachelogger> for kubuntu it depends
[01:19] <DarkwingDuck> But, 99% of what we use QT is upstream anyway?
[01:19] <apachelogger> like jockey, there is a common core implemented independent of GTK, so jockey-kde is python and uses that core
[01:19] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: Qt!
[01:19] <jjesse> evening :)
[01:19] <DarkwingDuck> hey jjesse
[01:19] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: I am not sure if 99% is really the number, but something like that
[01:19] <jjesse> que pasa DarkwingDuck
[01:19] <apachelogger> we do not have a whole lot of specific tool usecases anyway
[01:19] <DarkwingDuck> Job hunting :/
[01:20] <jjesse> bummer on that
[01:20] <jjesse> good luck
[01:20] <DarkwingDuck> heh.
[01:20] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: got ya.
[01:20] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: now, I know what to learn.
[01:22] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: Thanks man. It's not easy
[01:24] <apachelogger> wellt hen
[01:24] <apachelogger> soyuz prevents me from doing a working fluffy image
[01:24] <apachelogger> awesome
[01:24] <apachelogger> \o/
[01:25]  * apachelogger goes into pissed mode and watches doctor who
[01:26] <DarkwingDuck> Burn Notice starts up again tonight :D
[02:02] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: amor has a little kitteh that runs across the tops of your windows (or on your panel if it can't find space on the window) Might be neat to have a Fluffeh Kitteh
[02:02] <apachelogger> omg
[02:02] <apachelogger> true
[02:02] <apachelogger> fregl: ^
[02:03] <JontheEchidna> one would want to disable amor saying ktips by default (we ship none, maybe it could say "so magic" :D)
[02:04] <apachelogger> aha!
[02:04] <apachelogger> people have re-discovered my u1 ppa
[02:05] <apachelogger> they shall all install junk and then I will rename the packages and provide no transition
[02:05] <apachelogger> muahahaha
[02:05] <JontheEchidna> heh
[02:05] <apachelogger> kubotu: identica status
[02:05] <kubotu> http://home.samfundet.no/~sandsmark/unicorn.png possible logo for !fluffy :P (24 minutes and 53 seconds ago via Choqok)
[02:05] <apachelogger> right
[02:05] <apachelogger> fregl: ^
[02:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that said, currently the packages conflict with proposed anyway, apparently they finally come round to make gnome-keyring work outside gnome
[02:09] <JontheEchidna> weren't they going to use new python keyring shiz that's supposed to work with kwallet?
[02:09] <apachelogger> yes
[02:09] <apachelogger> and no
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> :D
[02:10] <apachelogger> I really do not get what they want to do and when and why and how
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> and :(
[02:10] <apachelogger> there is 0, I repeat, ZERO, communication to the outside world about u1 development
[02:10] <apachelogger> wicked if you ask me, but so be it
[02:16] <txwikinger> wow.. KNR is really cool
[02:21] <ScottK> :-)
[02:22] <txwikinger> ScottK: I got myself an AcerOne at the end
[02:22]  * ScottK nods
[02:23] <txwikinger> And everything works
[02:31] <ScottK> Excellent.
[02:47] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134344 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/example/cacheupdatewidget.cpp Don't leak our downloadModel
[02:49] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Would you please help dantii with understanding #586497.  It looks like something that ought to get fixed if the report is accurate.
[02:49] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: that's probably the packagekit backend not following the apt cron stuff you set in software-properties-{kde,gtk}
[02:50] <ScottK> Any idea how to fix?
[02:50] <JontheEchidna> the frontend only shows what the packagekit daemon is doing in this instance
[02:50] <ScottK> Ah, right.
[02:50] <ScottK> So reassign to packagekit?
[02:51] <JontheEchidna> yep
[03:57] <DarkwingDuck> KNR is working great on my X41 Tablet too
[03:57] <DarkwingDuck> I think I'm going to get the Asus Tablet and run tests on that as well
[04:20] <lex79> JontheEchidna: I've just uploaded pkg-kde-tools (they switched to kde/doc path ) and kaffeine into my ppa, see tomorrow, g' night
[04:20] <lex79> ;)
[04:21] <JontheEchidna> lex79: they never went away from kde/doc path, we're the ones that switched
[04:22] <lex79> JontheEchidna: uhm, right :D It's late here my brain is melted :)
[04:22] <JontheEchidna> oh, wait
[04:22] <lex79> uhm
[04:22] <JontheEchidna> you're right, actually
[04:23] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: The settled on kde4 and we stayed with kde for kde4 stuff.
[04:23] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/pkg-kde-tools/pkg-kde-tools_0.9.0/changelog
[04:23] <lex79> ah, ok :)
[04:23] <ScottK> I asked them to switch their .install files to kde* instead of kde4 so it'd work for both of us and they switched the doc path instead.
[04:24] <lex79> well, g' night guys :P
[04:24] <ScottK> Good night.
[10:32] <fregl> apachelogger: why is that uni-thing from sandsmark pooping a pink egg? awesome :)
[10:33] <fregl> amor sounds good... and getting rid of amarok (purely for space reasons) is always a good idea
[10:33] <fregl> maybe we can include bangarangaragangarang instead
[10:42]  * Mamarok larts fregl
[10:42] <fregl> always those people without humor... it is a sad world
[10:42] <fregl> very sad
[10:45]  * fregl things after being punished for suggesting the amarok removal, now they have to do it, out of protest
[10:46] <fregl> let's see what apachelogger thinks about that
[10:54] <shadeslayer> any idea if we have kubuntu lucid t shirts at the canonical shop?
[11:47] <apachelogger> fregl: it is begone since I said that yesterday :P
[11:47] <apachelogger> the unithing from sandsmark is pooping an egg because I wanted something pink and he felt like drawing an egg ;)
[11:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I got mail about the u1 file conflict already :P
[11:51] <apachelogger> hm
[11:52] <apachelogger> did soyuz explode or something?
[11:52] <apachelogger> fluffy-meta and fluffy-unicorn are stuck in queue schedulded in 2 hrs for a lot more than 2 hrs
[11:58] <apachelogger> that does not even make sense https://launchpad.net/builders/
[11:58] <apachelogger> apparently most of the ppa buildds are idle :/
[11:58] <debfx> is it possible to change pkg-kde-tools so it enables --parallel by default, like it does with cdbs?
[12:00] <apachelogger> debfx: unfortunately no
[12:00] <apachelogger> debfx: the cdbs thing was only applied to the few core-kde packages
[12:00] <apachelogger> the dh7 magic is the same for all kde packages
[12:19] <debfx> apachelogger: it shouldn't be that much work to test-rebuild the packages and disable parallel building for the ones that ftbfs
[12:20] <KRF> apachelogger, so did you like my mail?
[12:21] <KRF> did you forward it to lydia?
[12:21] <apachelogger> oh, you did not send it to lydia?
[12:21] <KRF> nah
[12:21] <apachelogger> fwd'd
[12:21] <KRF> maybe you could be like you know: i don't want this to get public!
[12:22] <KRF> could have been even
[12:22] <apachelogger> lol
[12:22] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ^
[12:22] <apachelogger> Nightrose: we are black mailing you now!
[12:22] <apachelogger> first mail in your inbox already :P
[12:22] <Nightrose> ohmy
[12:23] <Nightrose> jeeeeez
[12:23]  * Nightrose slaps KRF and apachelogger
[12:23] <Nightrose> :D
[12:24] <apachelogger> you better make us members of the illuminati or who knows, maybe this picture ends up all over the news papers
[12:24] <apachelogger> such terrible things have happended in the past
[12:24] <apachelogger> one not-so-carefully entered email address, and there you have it
[12:25] <apachelogger> oh
[12:25] <apachelogger> s/illuminati/kde e.v. :P
[12:34]  * \sh thinks apachelogger is really charming today ;)
[12:34] <apachelogger> oh look what the cat dragged in
[12:34] <apachelogger> :*
[12:35]  * apachelogger hugs \\sh and Nightrose and KRF and debfx
[12:35]  * \sh pinks ;)
[12:35] <KRF> who's that last guy you're hugging there?
[12:36] <apachelogger> KRF: the one who fixes KDE stuff KDE does not want to fix :P
[12:36] <KRF> ah, cool
[12:36] <KRF> so he's in chargo of fixing knetworkmanager? :P
[12:36] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[12:36] <KRF> typos--
[12:37] <apachelogger> oh great
[12:37] <apachelogger> bangarang git comes with monochrome icon
[12:37] <\sh> whatever bangarang is ;)
[12:38] <jussi> lol
[12:38] <apachelogger> dont know that song? :P
[12:38] <jussi> what is banagarang?
[12:38] <jussi> !info bangarang
[12:38]  * \sh doesn't want to know actually, because it sounds very dangerous
[12:39] <apachelogger> oh
[12:39] <\sh> apachelogger, I missed you during UDS-M
[12:39] <apachelogger> now I got reminded of something
[12:39] <apachelogger> \sh: I was hiding in IRC :P
[12:39] <apachelogger> bangarang is a bit like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVJLFfRYOj0
[12:40] <apachelogger> gotta relogin into my fancy new KDE
[12:41] <\sh> apachelogger, why didn't you tell me it's something I can't show @office...now all people are watching this video
[12:41] <\sh> .oO(good that they are not dacing here right now)=
[12:42] <jussi> lol
[12:42] <jussi> that song is just wrong...
[12:45] <apachelogger> \sh: lol ^^
[12:45] <apachelogger> next time you shall get the qt4 dance :P
[12:45] <apachelogger> jussi: more than that
[12:45] <\sh> apachelogger, this is more office compatible ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkK-23zVtsU ;) WE WON !
[12:46] <apachelogger> I have heared about that
[12:46] <apachelogger> I find the song mediocre though
[12:46] <apachelogger> also the english is sort of german :P
[12:46] <\sh> apachelogger, well, at least stefan raab helds to his promises ;)
[12:46] <apachelogger> this lady could have done better IMHO
[12:47] <apachelogger> \sh: maybe he bought the win?
[12:47] <\sh> apachelogger, I don't think you can "buy" the votes of people calling in
[12:48] <apachelogger> no, but the software developer's so that their machinery counts "wrongish"
[12:48] <\sh> apachelogger, and about the denglish -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2naZgBhH9tc
[12:48] <apachelogger> or the other humans in the chain so that the results change somewhat
[12:49] <\sh> apachelogger, anyways...ralph siegel is defeated...and mr. raab is now the nations hero
[12:49]  * apachelogger does not know who ralph siegel is
[12:49] <apachelogger> sounds like someone from the reeperbahn though
[12:53] <\sh> apachelogger, the old eurovision german songwriter and producer ;) old fart
[12:54] <apachelogger> *nod*
[13:08]  * txwikinger thinks apachelogger has a deficit in History knowledge
[13:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: got a sec>
[13:09] <apachelogger> that entirely depends what for
[13:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/shadeslayer
[13:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you write me a testimonial :P
[13:09] <apachelogger> oh my
[13:09] <shadeslayer> applying for membership :)
[13:10] <apachelogger> I recon this does take a lot longer than a second :/
[13:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kubuntu or ubuntu?
[13:10] <txwikinger> like... who is this person?
[13:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kubuntu
[13:10] <shadeslayer> its me :P
[13:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: then I would not ask a member of the council to write a testimonial ;)
[13:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: Pretty much everything's monochrome icons in 4.5 apparently.
[13:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ah.. :P
[13:11]  * ScottK wonders if Sput got the word?
[13:11] <shadeslayer> anyone else interested... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/shadeslayer
[13:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: yeah, but not in 4.4, which makes bangarang look odd
[13:11] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: You need the ninja stuff of your page.. it is merely a suspicion that they exist :)
[13:12] <apachelogger> they do not!
[13:12] <txwikinger> As I said :)
[13:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it is really not necessary to collect testimonials for kubuntu btw
[13:12] <shadeslayer> hehe,well thats one of my major contribs...
[13:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hmm.. well.. just one or two :)
[13:12] <apachelogger> you will be grilled eitherway :P
[13:12] <apachelogger> erm, interviewed
[13:12] <shadeslayer> haha xD
[13:12] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: unsubstantial rumors
[13:12] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes, soyuz did explode.  The last release "didn't go very well".
[13:12] <apachelogger> ScottK: that is unfortunate :/
[13:13]  * txwikinger heard something about BBQ
[13:13] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: hehe :P
[13:13] <apachelogger> I was hoping to do fluffy alpha1 this weekend
[13:13] <txwikinger> and that before breakfast
[13:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so soon? :)
[13:13] <ScottK> apachelogger: It's just some web service, not like it's important it be reliable.
[13:13] <apachelogger> well, demand is high, so ...
[13:13] <ScottK> ;-)
[13:13] <apachelogger> ^^
[13:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hehe.. so youll go with maverick or lucid?
[13:13]  * apachelogger could build packages at the OBS :P
[13:13] <apachelogger> no breakage there
[13:13] <shadeslayer> OBS ?
[13:14] <apachelogger> open build service (the suse thingy)
[13:14] <shadeslayer> ah..
[13:14] <apachelogger> which also happens to build deb
[13:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: does it build the same way as lp?
[13:14] <apachelogger> no
[13:14] <apachelogger> it builds rpms
[13:14] <apachelogger> and debs
[13:14] <apachelogger> and for more than one distro each
[13:15] <apachelogger> certainly the debs will not be as fancy as when built within a debian-based toolchain but oh well
[13:15] <apachelogger> at least it works
[13:15]  * shadeslayer puts ISO testing in wiki
[13:15] <apachelogger> unlike other services for package building :P
[13:15]  * txwikinger would want to read the t&c's first
[13:15] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: hehe :P
[13:15] <apachelogger> odd
[13:15] <txwikinger> they probably make you sell your grandmother to them
[13:15]  * apachelogger thinks that his iso splash image is a bit wrongish
[13:16] <apachelogger> ah!
[13:16] <apachelogger> my pcx got 3 planes
[13:16] <txwikinger> how comes that the plymouth splash screen is ubuntu when you install kubuntu?
[13:16] <apachelogger> whatever that means ^^
[13:17] <txwikinger> hi maco
[13:18] <shadeslayer> when is Riddell coming back?
[13:18]  * txwikinger has everything ready for Kubuntu Bug Hug Day on Monday
[13:18] <txwikinger> just need to send out the announcements
[13:18] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: ill help you out with the next to next one :D
[13:18] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: cool
[13:18] <shadeslayer> exams till the 11th :(
[13:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sundayish
[13:18] <apachelogger> he said he will be away the whole weekend
[13:18] <txwikinger> always those students
[13:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok :)
[13:18]  * txwikinger is jealous
[13:19] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: which one are you doing this monday?
[13:19]  * txwikinger could now just go and pass the exams without studying :)
[13:19] <txwikinger> kdenetworks
[13:19] <shadeslayer> ah ok :)
[13:20] <txwikinger> but feel free to make suggestions for the list
[13:20]  * txwikinger has in fact given such exams :)
[13:22] <txwikinger> Something is wrong
[13:22]  * txwikinger cannot find any meetings in today's calendar
[13:24]  * txwikinger is looking for a nice speech synthesizer
[13:24]  * txwikinger wants to put some hilarious messages in his nuisance VM box
[13:25] <apachelogger> jovie is awesome
[13:25] <apachelogger> although it is not really a synthesizer ;)
[13:25]  * shadeslayer wonders what the kubuntu council will do with him :P
[13:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: when is the next meeting?
[13:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: whenever someone bothers to schedule one ;)
[13:27] <apachelogger> ScottK: any ETA on a soyuz fix btw?
[13:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :P
[13:27]  * apachelogger thinks he fixed the splash now
[13:27] <txwikinger> soyuz is always broken, so what's the difference?
[13:28] <apachelogger> now it is broken beyond usage :/
[13:30] <apachelogger> we all live in a yellow submarine
[13:30] <apachelogger> that why it is so crowded
[13:31]  * txwikinger cannot find jovie
[13:31] <apachelogger> fregl: http://imagebin.ca/view/Q_JA3ns.html !!!!!
[13:31] <apachelogger> omg
[13:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: make the heart blue instead of white :P
[13:33]  * txwikinger thinks apachelogger should make Valentine's Day the release date
[13:33] <shadeslayer> thatll be perfect :P
[13:35] <fregl> apachelogger: <3
[13:35] <fregl> apachelogger: I just wrote a mail mentioning fluffy to the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>list :)
[13:35] <fregl> spread _the word_ :)
[13:36] <apachelogger> :D :D :D
[13:36]  * apachelogger still needs to master up a blog post
[13:38] <txwikinger> and a facebook page that they can compile a list of fluffy users
[13:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: where do you guys have a meeting? ( whenever you have one :P )
[13:38] <apachelogger> txwikinger: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fluffy/124142040948771
[13:38] <apachelogger> GO LIKEY LIKEY IT!
[13:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: either #ubuntu-meeting or here
[13:39] <apachelogger> depends on the schedule though, so the location is usually announced along time and date
[13:39]  * shadeslayer sends apachelogger friend invite on fb...
[13:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you have an all wrong countdown banner there...
[13:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: where?
[13:40] <apachelogger> facebook
[13:40] <apachelogger> left column
[13:40] <apachelogger> I see ubuntu countdown
[13:41]  * shadeslayer checks
[13:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: is there a kubuntu one too?
[13:41] <apachelogger> yes, somewhere
[13:41] <shadeslayer> :P
[13:41] <apachelogger> in either case none > ubuntu :P
[13:42] <apachelogger> fregl: http://imagebin.ca/view/2P_ZpXB.html
[13:42] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[13:42] <apachelogger> any suggetions?
[13:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: removed :P
[13:43]  * shadeslayer continues his search for kubuntu countdown
[13:43] <shadeslayer> +banner
[13:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you might also want to steer clear of lp since the build queue is HUGE
[13:47] <apachelogger> no wonder considering soyuz is all broken
[13:48] <shadeslayer> so much so https://launchpad.net/builders shows unknown :P
[13:48] <shadeslayer> for the queue part ><
[13:48] <apachelogger> must go beyond python's int range then ;)
[13:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh and can you talk to Riddell when he comes back to set up a meeting regarding my membership?
[13:49] <apachelogger> !meeting
[13:49] <apachelogger> hm
[13:49] <apachelogger> jussi: tsimpson: maybe it is just me but it would be nice ot have schedule urls in there *shrug*
[13:50] <jussi> apachelogger: as soon as we get the plugin back and working....
[13:50] <apachelogger> kcool
[13:50]  * jussi curses google cal
[13:51] <shadeslayer> jussi: can you give me the schedule? a link or something?
[13:51] <jussi> apachelogger: we used to have @schedule which would tell the next meeting
[13:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you can schedule one yourself
[13:51] <jussi> !fridge
[13:51] <apachelogger> jussi: no, I mean the kubuntu meeting schedule page
[13:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: awesome
[13:51] <apachelogger> so I know what is currently on the agenda
[13:51] <jussi> apachelogger: ahh
[13:51] <jussi> yeah, give me the url and Ill add it
[13:52] <apachelogger> jussi: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[13:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^
[13:52] <apachelogger> also you need to add yourself there :P
[13:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ;)
[13:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: is Monday fine?
[13:52] <apachelogger> oh
[13:52] <shadeslayer> illl just get the time
[13:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you need to query that
[13:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: usually we use doodle to find an appropriate slot
[13:52] <jussi> !meeting-#kubuntu is <reply>Kubuntu Meetings are usually held in #ubuntu-meeting - Agenda and info: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[13:53] <jussi> apachelogger: ^
[13:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also see recent mailing list info regarding meetings I suppose
[13:53] <jussi> !meeting
[13:53] <jussi> !meeting-#kubuntu-devel is <reply>Kubuntu Meetings are usually held in #ubuntu-meeting - Agenda and info: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[13:53] <jussi> !meeting
[13:53] <jussi> :)
[13:53] <apachelogger> super awesome
[13:53]  * apachelogger hugs jussi
[13:53]  * jussi hugs apachelogger
[14:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Riddell http://www.doodle.com/7b2a2rbdtqb5g3n5
[14:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: who is in the council btw?
[14:09] <Sput> ScottK: afaik, only "system icons" are supposed to be monochromeish (which in 4.5 KDE means they still look gorgeous because they have greyscale shading etc), but app icons are still colorful
[14:09] <Sput> ScottK: also, suprisingly, the upgrade from intrepid beta via jaunty and karmic to lucid on my mom's notebook went quite well :)
[14:11] <Riddell> organising council members oif on my todo for monday
[14:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: :)
[14:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: im applying for membership...
[14:14] <DarkwingDuck> ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
[14:14] <ScottK> Sput: Great to hear.  I don't find it suprising since we tested that upgrade path pretty thoroughly.
[14:16] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: comma flood? :P
[14:31] <shadeslayer> ok im going,please look have a look at the doodle http://www.doodle.com/7b2a2rbdtqb5g3n5,to confirm meet timings :)
[14:33] <rgreening> 'ello dudes and dudettes :)
[14:36] <txwikinger> hi rgreening
[14:37] <rgreening> :)
[14:44] <Sput> ScottK: I tend to break upgrade paths in kubuntu :)
[14:44] <ScottK> ;-)
[14:44] <Sput> but yeah. I was a bit surprised that I had to go through all of the versions (I'd have expected jaunty to jump to lucid directly), but looks like nothing seriously broke :)
[14:45] <Tm_T> Sput: I had fun upgrading from Intrepid straight to Lucid
[15:19] <\sh> Sput, dist-upgrades only from LTS 2 LTS are supported, or from Devel Release to Next Devel Release until LTS ;)
[15:19] <\sh> Sput, hey man btw...long time no see ;)
[15:20] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134539 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h) We can forward these signals right along. No need to have a function to do that.
[15:34] <apachelogger> jtechidna: btw, why are you not using a dbus adaptor?
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: for QApt::Backend?
[15:36] <apachelogger> for talking to the worker in general
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> the worker has a dbusadaptor
[15:36] <apachelogger> for talking _to_ the worker
[15:37] <apachelogger> currently you are doing the queries yourself while you have a perfectly fine xml file lying around, dont you?
[15:37] <darkwingMobile> morning guys
[15:37] <apachelogger> just generate a adaptor for the backend using the xml file and use that
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: is there a way to make that adaptor do async calls?
[15:37] <apachelogger> define call
[15:38] <apachelogger> generally everything is async with it
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> DBusConnection::systemBus().asyncCall()
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> +Q
[15:38] <apachelogger> the only way to make it sync is by using it inside a call itself
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> non-blocking call
[15:38] <apachelogger> like foo(adaptor->setBar("ll));
[15:38] <apachelogger> that would be blocking
[15:38] <apachelogger> adaptor->setBar("ll") is not
[15:39] <apachelogger> reason being that almost evyerthing from the adaptor will return a dbuspendingreply or what it is called
[15:39] <apachelogger> and that thingy is generally async
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> nice
[15:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: take a look at the u1-kde codebase, I think I do both blocking and non-blocking there
[15:40] <apachelogger> or at least I did at some point ^^
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> all hail dbus mast0r haxX0r apachelogger!
[15:40] <apachelogger> \o/
[15:44] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134543 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp String changes
[15:47] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134545 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (9 files in 2 dirs) Implement API for the worker to use to ask questions. Use this API to implement apt's media change functionality TODO: Get qapt-batch to listen for these and present the questions to the user
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> ^other possible questions include debconf, "do you want to install untrusted packages", conf file changes, etc
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> now to work on the dbus adapt0r
[15:57] <txwikinger> How Du I get in KNR the search and launch on the search and launch page back?
[15:59] <apachelogger> add a new activity
[15:59] <apachelogger> go to configure it
[15:59] <apachelogger> set the activity to S&L
[15:59] <apachelogger> I think
[16:00] <Sput> \sh: true enough :) we should beer up again!
[16:01] <apachelogger> beering up ^^
[16:01] <apachelogger> ohhh
[16:01] <apachelogger> soyuz is doing things \o/
[16:01] <txwikinger> Ah.. ok
[16:02] <apachelogger> sweet, in like half an hur I should be able to roll a working fluffy image
[16:02]  * apachelogger goes outside sipping tea meanwhile
[16:02] <neversfelde> there is a Suggests: libxine1-ffmpeg missing in the minitube package for lucid, do you think this is worth a SRU?
[16:05]  * apachelogger doenst think so
[16:05] <apachelogger> it will only be suggested to terminal users anyway I think
[16:08] <neversfelde> ok, I like this answer :)
[16:13]  * apachelogger waits for publisher run
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: any advantages to doing a dbus adaptor over what I did with qapt-batch a few days ago? http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp?r1=1133812&r2=1133811
[16:30]  * JontheEchidna is having a hard time getting the dbus adaptor itself to compile
[16:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: adaptor is preferrred in general
[16:31] <apachelogger> also handier and easier to extend if necessary
[16:31] <shadeslayer> yes! ctrl+enter functionality back in rekonq :P
[16:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: see u1-kde/src/libs/CMakeLists.txt
[16:31] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/444665/
[16:31] <apachelogger> it uses the xml from u1-kde/src/auth/
[16:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you probably need to define additional includes
[16:33]  * apachelogger is wondering why it is parented by BAckend and not QObject anyway
[16:33] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[16:33] <apachelogger> publisher through
[16:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how do you generate the adaptor?
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/444669/ in src/CMakeLists.txt
[16:35] <apachelogger> oh
[16:35] <apachelogger> ah
[16:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you want an interface ^^
[16:35] <apachelogger> silly me
[16:36] <apachelogger> qt4_add_dbus_interface(foo_SRCS some.xml Filename)
[16:37] <JontheEchidna> same error
[16:39] <apachelogger> ehm
[16:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: please commit
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> kk
[16:39] <apachelogger> oh
[16:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: hold on
[16:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you need to do that in the backend cmakelists
[16:39] <apachelogger> not the worker
[16:39] <apachelogger> not sure if that is the problem though :)
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> It's in backend's cmakelists.txt
[16:40] <apachelogger> if not please commit
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> kk
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> oh
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> ha
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> I changed it to add_dbus_interface in worker, tho
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> still same error tho
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: committed
[16:42] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134558 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (CMakeLists.txt backend.h org.kubuntu.qaptbackend.xml) Start of DBus adaptor for Backend. Fails to compile
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> oh, the introspection file probably doesn't have the methods right since I ripped that bit from the worker xml file, but that's a different problem
[16:45] <apachelogger> now that is wrong
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> oh, those should be signals too
[16:47] <apachelogger> the whole xml shouldnt be there
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> oh
[16:48] <apachelogger> hm
[16:48] <apachelogger> well
[16:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: there is something wrong in the design
[16:48] <apachelogger> just now I come to wonder why the backend dbusses at all
[16:48] <apachelogger> what should happen is that the backend emits junk that the worker then processes
[16:48] <apachelogger> one way communiction if you will
[16:49] <apachelogger> anyhow
[16:49] <apachelogger> qt4_add_dbus_interface(qapt_SRCS worker/org.kubuntu.qaptworker.xml worker)
[16:49] <apachelogger> that is about what you want
[16:49] <apachelogger> and nuke the local file and the changes to backend.h
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> kk
[16:50] <apachelogger> then just take a look at UbuntuOne::SyncDaemon for how to use the interface
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> I don't see another way than dbus to emit stuff for the worker to process
[16:50]  * apachelogger needs to review the code completely really
[16:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the backend should not care about who or what is doing stuff with it
[16:53]  * shadeslayer would recommend the droid-ttf package to everyone
[16:53]  * apachelogger would not
[16:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: its pretty good....
[16:54] <apachelogger> not on large screens
[16:54] <shadeslayer> works fine on 1440x900..
[16:54] <apachelogger> ok then
[16:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well someone posted their .fonts.config and works pretty well
[16:55] <apachelogger> I did not say that it does not work
[16:55] <apachelogger> I said that it does not look good
[16:55] <apachelogger> naturally
[16:55] <apachelogger> because it was made for a different screen size
[16:55] <shadeslayer> hmm.. really up to you.. what do you use?
[16:55] <apachelogger> liberation
[16:56] <shadeslayer> i used that before switching..
[16:56] <apachelogger> oh, there sneaked a "ta" in my preseed -.-
[16:56] <apachelogger> no wonder it fails :/
[17:06] <ScottK> BTW, we just added ttf-liberation to the default install.
[17:06] <ScottK> SRU waiting for Lucid for it too.
[17:06] <apachelogger> sweet
[17:07] <ScottK> Apparently OOo is even more ugly without it.
[17:12] <dantti> ScottK: when you click on the systray icon you get all updates selected now :D http://img580.imageshack.us/my.php?image=plasmadesktopda3114.jpg
[17:13] <ScottK> Cool.
[17:13] <apachelogger> ahhh
[17:13]  * apachelogger is quite the stupid robot
[17:22] <apachelogger> indices make a lot of difference when it comes to debootstraping ^^
[17:32] <bertoldo> Hi everyone...
[17:33] <bertoldo> I want to start developing to kubuntu... to help the community...
[17:34] <bertoldo> I'm looking for some guidance... maybe someone is looking for a help...
[17:34] <bertoldo> I'm from Brazil... and I've been programming in C/C++ for a long time...
[17:44] <shtylman> bertoldo: have you ever done linux development?
[17:44] <shtylman> or Qt development?
[17:44] <bertoldo> Yep...
[17:45] <bertoldo> at the moment I'm studing Qt...
[17:45] <shtylman> cool
[17:45] <bertoldo> I love kubuntu and I also use ubuntu (on my wife's laptop)...
[17:46] <bertoldo> I want to help kubuntu to be as same as ubuntu...
[17:46] <shtylman> bertoldo: great to hear, our general ToDo list is: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[17:46] <bertoldo> I'm talking about quality, integration with other programs...
[17:46] <bertoldo> and also usability
[17:46] <shtylman> specific items related to development include: KPackagekit, and printer applet
[17:47] <bertoldo> I saw this list... at wiki...
[17:47] <shtylman> those are c++ development items
[17:47] <shtylman> which are related to intergration as well as usability
[17:47] <shtylman> for printer applet, talk to dantti
[17:48] <shtylman> the package kit guy is not in the irc room at the moment
[17:48] <bertoldo> great... I'm looking for this... a kind of help to understand the information on the wiki
[17:48] <shtylman> there are also some efforts on a simpler packageing/software center
[17:48] <shtylman> but not sure who is heading that up
[17:49] <dantti> shtylman: well I'll be heading a new sw center :P
[17:49] <shtylman> excellent
[17:49] <shtylman> there is the answer to that one
[17:49] <ScottK> bertoldo: dantti is also in Brazil (unless I remember wrong).
[17:49] <dantti> shtylman: of whom were you talking about packagekit guy?
[17:49] <shtylman> bertoldo: and then there is the kde faster login work (with is more of a research and try effort) but is all c++
[17:49] <dantti> ScottK: I am
[17:50] <bertoldo> great
[17:50] <lex79> JontheEchidna: can you ack? bug<PHONE_NUMBER>86
[17:50] <lex79> bug 589786
[17:50] <lex79> thanks
[17:51] <bertoldo> I'm available to working in anything you guys need help...
[17:51] <shtylman> a big thing we always need help on is testing related things
[17:52] <bertoldo> give a document to read, a code to understand or anything else... I'll do my best to help.
[17:52] <shtylman> basically, but getting the new versions of packages and trying them
[17:52] <shtylman> if you have experience to then look into the problem and fix it.. that is even better
[17:53] <shtylman> one very easy way to grab the source code to any package (if you don't already know) is to use "apt-get source <packagename>"
[17:53] <shtylman> this gets you the source to be able to build that particular package
[17:53] <bertoldo> great, didn't know that...
[17:53] <shtylman> nice way to start looking at the source of some programs you are interested in
[17:54] <bertoldo> I'm not sure if I'm reading the right document to set up my enviroment to compile the things...
[17:54] <bertoldo> Do you recommend me anything?
[17:54] <shtylman> bertoldo: depends what you want to compile and how
[17:54] <shtylman> that question is kinda open ended
[17:55] <shtylman> cause many packages use all sorts of different build tools
[17:55] <bertoldo> ok
[17:55] <shtylman> kde uses CMake, another common one is autoconf (used by lots of projects), and then Qt uses qmake
[17:55] <shtylman> if you get a package with apt-get source
[17:56] <shtylman> you can also do: apt-get build-dep <package name>
[17:56] <shtylman> to install any build dependencies
[17:56] <bertoldo> great...
[17:56] <ScottK> bertoldo: There is a lot to learn and almost everyone here is a volunteer, so we have limited time.  This is a welcoming group that is looking for new members, so don't get discouraged if it takes a little while to get started.
[17:56] <shtylman> basically... start tinkering around with something small to get the hang of things
[17:56] <shtylman> is my biggest recommendation
[17:56] <bertoldo> thanks ScottK
[17:57] <shtylman> cause there are lots of different ways to do all sorts of things
[17:57] <bertoldo> thanks a lot too shtylman
[17:58] <bertoldo> I'll look around on launchpad to find something...
[17:58] <bertoldo> There is one thing that call my attention, it was the Ubuntu One client.
[17:58] <bertoldo> We dont have one for KDE.
[18:01] <bertoldo> dantii, you talked about this one? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuMaverickKPackagekitAppStore
[18:03] <dantti> bertoldo: yes, I'm planning to create a simpler interface just for applications instalation
[18:03] <dantti> but i need to finish the debconf support first
[18:08] <bertoldo> dantti, the AppCenter will run on top of package tool kit?
[18:09] <dantti> bertoldo: the kde one will
[18:39] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134609 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (4 files) Use a DBus interface class to interact with the worker, rather than doing it all by ourselves in QApt::Backend. Convenient!
[18:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw will the doodle page be created by the council? or can i create one too? like i created one...
[19:16] <maco> attempt at upgrading my lucid vm to mav went bad
[19:16] <maco> i just logged in and after the splash fades out, i just have a black background and panel. no plasmoids on desktop and kickoff wont open
[19:17] <jussi> maco: yeah, riddell mentioned that maverick crashed in VM
[19:17] <jussi> just after the login he said
[19:18] <maco> oh!
[19:18] <maco> if i wait 2 minutes it restored my terminal from before i rebooted
[19:18] <shadeslayer> yep.. but on real hardware it works fine
[19:18] <shadeslayer> only problem is that you get 2 panels
[19:18] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134621 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (package.cpp package.h) Move a lot of public member variables that should have been private into PackagePrivate
[19:19] <maco> holy moly!
[19:19] <maco> load average is over 7!
[19:20] <maco> and no i didnt get a second panel
[19:20] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134622 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/backend.h (log message trimmed)
[19:20] <CIA-91> We don't really need to be exposing packageSourceList() to the public. It's only
[19:20] <CIA-91> there so that QApt::Package can get info from libapt-pkg's insane iterators.
[19:38] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134628 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (package.cpp package.h) Move m_packageIter to PackagePrivate. I tried to also pass packageIter by pointer from the Backend, but when I used that approach it would crash the first time you accessed a method that used the packageIter :(
[19:40] <maco> awww :( mav wont do unity mode
[19:42] <yofel> is something wrong with drkonqi in maverick? rekonq crashed with segfault, I installed rekonq-dbgsym, but it still doesn't want to retrace it
[19:43] <yofel> oh, from xsession-errors: ptrace: Operation not permitted.
[19:43] <yofel> /tmp/kde-yofel/drkonqileu611.tmp:2: Error in sourced command file: No thread selected
[19:45] <maco> yofel: have to run your traces as root
[19:45] <maco> yofel: or umm..change something in /sys or /etc
[19:53] <apachelogger> argh!!!
[19:53] <apachelogger> this is so horrible
[19:53] <jussi> this is cool!!! http://ppenz.blogspot.com/2010/06/version-control-support-in-dolphin.html
[19:53] <jussi> just to augment apachelogger's horribleness
[19:54] <shtylman> jussi: when that gets git support, let me know :)
[19:54] <jussi> shtylman: it kinda has... :P
[19:54] <jussi> "A very basic version of a Git plugin is already part of kdesdk. "
[19:54] <ScottK> jussi: What does that do that kdesvn doesn't already do?
[19:55] <jussi> ScottK: its in dolphin?
[19:55] <shtylman> ScottK: work with thinks not in kde
[19:55]  * ScottK almost never uses dolphin.
[19:55] <ScottK> shtylman: I meant the dolphin plugin, not git.
[19:56]  * ScottK is mostly converted on chromium.  Don't push your luck.
[19:56] <yofel> what bug reporting address do I need to give drkonqi if I run it by hand so I can report the crash?
[19:59] <shtylman> ScottK: give it time.. don't worry.. it will win you over :)
[20:34] <yofel> filed bug 589841 about drkonqi
[20:41] <shtylman> ScottK: im thinking about going to DC for july 4th fireworks... anything good I should see in the area.. already planning to see a museum or two
[20:41] <shtylman> and landmarks
[20:42] <shtylman> what about non mainstream stuff
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> Washington Zoo
[20:42] <shtylman> hmm.
[20:42] <pinkrobotking> behold the pink robot king!
[20:42] <shtylman> pinkrobotking: wtf
[20:43] <shtylman> apachelogger: I refuse to address pinkrobotking
[20:43] <shadeslayer_> pinkrobotking: really now... too much pink :P
[20:43] <shadeslayer_> hehe :D
[20:43] <shadeslayer_> shtylman: +1
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> ironically, IRC is coloring shtylman pink and pinkrobotking red
[20:43] <shtylman> *sigh*
[20:43]  * shadeslayer_ mumbles darkly about robots being evil..
[20:43] <pinkrobotking> omg!
[20:43] <shadeslayer_> shtylman: youre blue here.. blue compliments pink :P
[20:44] <ScottK> shtylman: Those are usually the main things.  Don't forget to get your picture taken in front of the Whitehouse.
[20:44] <shadeslayer_> JontheEchidna: youre red here :P
[20:44] <shtylman> haha
[20:44] <pinkrobotking> ...
[20:45] <shtylman> oh no
[20:45] <pinkrobotking> What we need is to redo launchpad with working.
[20:45] <shtylman> apachelogger: there will be pain
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> chanserv is protecting channel modes :(
[20:45] <shadeslayer_> hehe..
[20:45] <shtylman> jussi: ping
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> pinkrobotking: redo launchpad?
[20:46] <shadeslayer_> JontheEchidna: like recode lp :P
[20:46] <shadeslayer_> so that it works
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> O.o
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> in #plasma: [15:46:38] *** rrix is now known as pinkrobot0002.
[20:47]  * shadeslayer_ wonders where to find kubuntu tee's on shop.canonical.com
[20:48] <shadeslayer_> robots are taking over the world :P
[20:48] <pinkrobot0003> pinkrobot_t800: ooo, I like that
[20:48] <pinkrobot_t800> :D
[20:48] <bluerobot> hehehe :D
[20:49] <pinkrobotking> /me hugs the pinkrobots
[20:49] <pinkrobot0003> pink robots! we must rise up against the blue
[20:49] <pinkrobotking> an army of pink and we shall take down apple and microsoft!
[20:49] <pinkrobotking> FOR FREEDOM!!!!
[20:49] <pinkrobot0003> FREEEEEEEDOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!
[20:50]  * bluerobot would prefer taking down apple and MS to get EA working on linux games
[20:50] <pinkrobot0003> bluerobots are not allowed speaking rights
[20:50] <pinkrobotking> EA SHALL BE SQUISHED!!
[20:50] <bluerobot> pinkrobotking: :P
[20:50] <bluerobot> and yet i can speak :>
[20:50] <pinkrobotking> kubotu: np
[20:50] <kubotu> pinkrobotking doesn't exist on last.fm, perhaps they need to: lastfm user <username>
[20:50] <maco> this channel has gotten so weird
[20:51] <pinkrobotking> omg!
[20:51] <pinkrobotking> kubotu: np apachelogger
[20:51] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Shine (Babylon mix)" by Cyndi Lauper [Queer as Folk: The Final Season] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[20:51] <pinkrobotking> I feel sort of shiny all of a sudden :P
[20:51] <pinkrobot0003> woa
[20:51] <pinkrobot0003> np is cool
[20:51] <shadeslayer_> pinkrobot0003: you didnt know about it?
[20:51] <pinkrobot0003> nope
[20:51] <shadeslayer_> kubotu: np
[20:51] <kubotu> shadeslayer_ listened to ""complicated" (avril lavigne)" by Avril Lavigne 8 days ago; [http://open.spotify.com/track/5o4cq6gKFAbR1V7wITwB7n] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/shadeslayer_ for more
[20:52] <shadeslayer_> hmm.. that must have been my Sisters playlist :P
[20:52] <pinkrobot0003> np
[20:52] <pinkrobot0003> kubotu: np
[20:52] <kubotu> pinkrobot0003 doesn't exist on last.fm, perhaps they need to: lastfm user <username>
[20:52] <shadeslayer_> pinkrobot0003: np <username>
[20:52] <shtylman> kubotu: np shtylman
[20:52] <kubotu> shtylman listened to "Company Calls" by Death Cab for Cutie [We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes, 2000] 3 months ago; [http://open.spotify.com/track/451jjbOKeucUT51WX6eemf] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/shtylman for more
[20:52] <shadeslayer_> hehe
[20:52] <shtylman> hehe
[20:53] <shtylman> old
[20:53] <shadeslayer_> that happens with me as well
[20:53] <neversfelde> kubotu: np
[20:53] <kubotu> neversfelde listened to "Broadway" by Goo Goo Dolls [Dizzy Up the Girl, 1998] 2 hours ago; [http://open.spotify.com/track/3dbywb1zxwI3h1m9o304eY] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/neversfelde for more
[20:53] <neversfelde> works :)
[20:53] <shadeslayer_> hehe :)
[20:54] <shtylman> kubotu: np ScottK
[20:54] <kubotu> ScottK hasn't played anything recently
[20:54] <shadeslayer_> pinkrobotking: smileys look funny with liberation mono
[20:54] <shtylman> tisk tisk
[20:54] <pinkrobotking> hm
[20:55] <shadeslayer_> or maybe its just me :P
[20:55] <pinkrobotking> shadeslayer_: you non-believer shall get but one simley from me!
[20:55] <pinkrobotking>   _______
[20:55] <pinkrobotking>  / /___ /
[20:55] <pinkrobotking> / /  |_ \
[20:55] <pinkrobotking> \ \ ___) |
[20:55] <pinkrobotking>  \_\____/
[20:56] <shadeslayer_> hmm.. whats that...
[20:56] <pinkrobotking> a heart obviously :P
[20:56]  * shadeslayer_ tilts screen sideways
[20:56] <shadeslayer_> pinkrobotking: doesnt look like one :P
[20:56] <shadeslayer_> more like a deformed G :P
[20:57] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: bug 569897 happens in lucid too
[20:57] <shadeslayer_> um wait
[20:57] <pinkrobotking> now that is hardly my fault :P
[20:58] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: i mean that it happens during boot,i get that message
[20:59] <shadeslayer_> pinkrobotking: did you get my question earlier about the doodle?
[20:59] <pinkrobotking> I probably did
[20:59] <pinkrobotking> Fluff up! http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fluffy/124142040948771
[21:01] <maco> hmm every time i try to move a window on my maverick vm, it goes to load average 5
[21:02] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: ninja's dont exsist and yet you mention it in your FB profile :P
[21:03] <maco> ninjas dont exist?
[21:03] <neversfelde> ahhhhh
[21:03] <maco> but i met a guy at an art store who was studying ninjitsu!
[21:03] <shadeslayer_> maco: kubuntu ninjas :P
[21:03] <neversfelde> everything is broken now
[21:03] <maco> neversfelde: you upgraded to mav too?
[21:04] <neversfelde> no
[21:14] <pinkrobotking> kubotu: np apachelogger
[21:14] <kubotu> apachelogger listened to "Stay With Me" by Shearer [Eve] 2 minutes ago; [http://open.spotify.com/track/4kKVdqJeaagU6pA0pEroTI] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[21:14] <pinkrobotking> now that is wrong
[22:14] <sheytan> Hi there
[22:14] <sheytan> i'm testing maveric alpha1 now
[22:15] <sheytan> and i find the 'lost and found' section in system settings none needed
[22:15] <sheytan> but before i  start saying what you could move where (KCMs) please tell me somebody if you're going to clean it up? ;)
[22:19] <shtylman> sheytan: don't follow the question
[22:20] <shtylman> *I don't
[22:21] <sheytan> shtylman in systemsettings in maveric alpha 1 there is a additional section at the bottom called 'lost and found'. There are KCM like software management, updates, user management etc. To remove that section and save space (don't make systemsettings a big window), we can move thoes KCMs to other sections ;)
[22:21] <sheytan> get it now? :D
[22:22] <shtylman> sheytan: I am sure those will move... probly what happened was that the section names/categories changed and those kcm you are talking about are ones we manage (iirc) so they will be updated
[22:23] <shtylman> file a bug on launchpad if there isn't one already
[22:23] <sheytan> shtylman, will do it when it will still exist in aplha 2 or 3 ;)
[22:24] <sheytan> but it's a good idea to split software management and updates to independent KCMs
[22:25] <shtylman> sheytan: why wait?
[22:25] <sheytan> shtylman well, you're right. Will do it now ;D
[22:29] <shadeslayer> sheytan: thats a problem with kde 4.5 :)
[22:29] <sheytan> shadeslayer with thoes kcms?
[22:30] <sheytan> shtylman how do i report a bug on  launchpad? :D
[22:30] <shadeslayer> same thing is in lucid
[22:31] <shadeslayer> sheytan: ubuntu-bug <app?
[22:31] <sheytan> shadeslayer i'm on kubuntu  :D
[22:31] <sheytan> but with a browser
[22:31] <sheytan> how to ? :D
[22:31] <shadeslayer> sheytan: so.. :)
[22:31] <shadeslayer> sheytan: same thing :P
[22:31] <sheytan> shadeslayer is it ported to Qt? :D
[22:31] <shadeslayer> sheytan: yep :)
[22:31] <sheytan> i don't want any gnome deps here :D
[22:31] <sheytan> Wow ;D
[22:31] <sheytan> cool ;D
[22:31] <shadeslayer> wont be :P
[22:32] <sheytan> shadeslayer how is it called?
[22:32] <sheytan> that app
[22:32] <shadeslayer> its basically a apport hook which collects all data,with the frontend being a small qt load bar
[22:32] <shadeslayer> *loading
[22:32] <shadeslayer> sheytan: well like if i find a bug with choqok,i do : ubuntu-bug choqok
[22:33] <shadeslayer> since this is a systemsetting kcm module i would guess kdebase...
[22:33] <sheytan> shadeslayer ok, thank you :)
[22:33] <shadeslayer> sheytan: so like : ubuntu-bug kdebase-bin
[22:34] <shadeslayer> not entirely sure if it should be bin or data
[22:34] <sheytan> shadeslayer now starting up maveric :D
[22:34] <sheytan> someone will move it to the right place ;D
[22:34] <shadeslayer> sheytan: kool... i have a chroot of maverick :)
[22:34] <shadeslayer> sheytan: well finding the right package makes it alot easier :P
[22:34] <shadeslayer> !bugs | sheytan : might also want to read this
[23:01] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134670 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.cpp We want to use isEmpty here
[23:02] <pinkrobotking> who is empty?
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> QStrings, potentially
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> I had been using isNull
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> which I dont' think would have caught the failure I had been anticipating
[23:04] <Tm_T> pinkrobotking: o  k
[23:05] <pinkrobotking> oh well, 0 != "" ;)
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> xactly
[23:10] <lex79> o/
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> lex79: with pkg-kde-tools, any reason for 0.9.1ubuntu1 instead of 0.9.0ubuntu1?
[23:14] <lex79> uhm
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> oh, it hadn't appeared on changelog.debian.org yet, my mistake
[23:14] <lex79> 0.9.1 is the new version
[23:14] <lex79> kk
[23:58] <pinkrobotking> JontheEchidna: ping around?


[06:17] <ahoneybun> if anyone is having issues with tooltip colors in GIMP and Inkscape: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355540


[19:18] <TJ-> Who's responsible for keeping the LTS HWE hep up to date? there's no 20.04 kernel release and support schedule  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack  - last mentioned is 19.04
[20:43] <sixwheeledbeast> It's just the graphic text explains everything?