[08:08] <gorhgorh> hi there, simple noob question … I’m trying to build kikad, that require those bzr tool so I installed them, created a launchpad account and added a ssh key, when i “bzr launchpad-login gorhgorh” i got “Not checking SSL certificate for launchpad.net.”
[08:08] <gorhgorh> i did add a key to my launchpad account


[00:07] <RAOF> Seems about right.
[02:26] <RAOF> Hah, yes.  There it is.
[02:38] <bryceh> good bye McCreary desktop.  hello sandybridge desktop
[02:40] <RAOF> Ooooh funky.
[03:01] <LLStarks> yup, that graphical corruption from bug 710961 can be reliably replicated while scrolling sites in firefox.
[03:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 710961 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[i945gm] Screen Corruption with new Xorg stack (affects: 4) (heat: 22)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/710961
[03:01] <LLStarks> shut up ubot
[03:02] <LLStarks> j/k love ya
[03:30] <RAOF> Ok, that's useful to know.
[10:28] <tjaalton> mvo: looks like bug 614993 has some people complaining about the same upgrade issue I had yesterday, removing nouveau was the cure
[10:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 614993 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "10.04 -> 10.10 upgrade fails: pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks: xserver-xorg-video-v4l demoted to universe (affects: 46) (dups: 11) (heat: 250)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/614993
[10:28] <tjaalton> with logs, even
[10:29] <mvo> tjaalton: hm, fix released, is the fix incomplete?
[10:31] <tjaalton> mvo: they hijacked the bug.. :/
[10:31] <mvo> bää
[10:32] <tjaalton> :)
[10:34] <tjaalton> I could open a new one and ask them to join
[13:44] <mdeslaur> A small Haiku to sum up my feelings this morning:
[13:44] <mdeslaur> Nouveau drives my card,
[13:44] <mdeslaur> Makes my graphics open-source.
[13:44] <mdeslaur> Please stop freezing though!
[13:46] <tjaalton> yes, likely a kernel bug
[13:46] <tjaalton> you can try vanilla 2.6.36 and see if that helps :)
[13:47] <tjaalton> apparently the changes in .37 broke it
[13:47] <tjaalton> well, causes a hang that I'm seeing
[13:48] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: and it's still not fixed in .38?
[13:48] <tjaalton> no
[13:48] <tjaalton> see fdo bug 33999
[13:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 33999 in kubuntu-meta (Baltix) (and 1 other project) "/dev/ram Alert! does not exist (DVD install) (dup-of: 27539)" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33999
[13:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 27539 in ubuntu "issue in booting live dvd (dups: 1) (heat: 1)" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27539
[13:48] <tjaalton> bah
[13:48] <tjaalton> freedesktop bug 33999
[13:48]  * mdeslaur kicks ubot4
[13:49] <ubot4> Freedesktop bug 33999 in Driver/nouveau "2.6.37 - NV11 crashes X if glxgears started" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33999
[13:49] <tjaalton> the same trace with my nv50
[13:50] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: ah, yes, I get that with libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental installed. But, I don't have it installed right now, and am getting freezes 3-4 times a day.
[13:51] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: hmm yes, could be related or not
[13:51] <tjaalton> seen it too
[14:35] <tseliot> tjaalton: is the kernel in xorg-edgers Natty's kernel?
[14:35] <Sarvatt> tseliot: yep it is
[14:35] <tseliot> Sarvatt: ok, thanks
[22:05] <pwnguin> had a random question from a frustrated user. they want to remove -nouveau but leave other x drivers intact
[22:05] <pwnguin> why does xserver-xorg-video-all use depends vs recommends?
[22:10] <RAOF> Because it's not essential itself.
[22:10] <dandel> I don't know about removing the driver, however, it's easy enough to disable (Blacklist the nouveu module), or boot with the xforcevesa boot option added.
[22:10] <RAOF> ie: there's no penalty to not having xserver-xorg-video-all installed.
[22:11] <pwnguin> the complaint is that debian dependencies are too complicated, unlike arch
[22:11] <pwnguin> so when you go to remove nouveau, it asks to remove -all, and then autoremove everything else
[22:12] <dandel> hmm... sounds like your request is to lighten the cd load a bit by using vesa or vga driver by default, and then do like what is done with the closed source drivers, and ask if you want the other drivers installed ?
[22:13] <pwnguin> well, i donno about that. mainly just trying to figure out why this is different than ubuntu-desktop
[22:13] <RAOF> At least in part because Ubuntu-desktop's Recommends: are user-visible.
[22:13] <dandel> personally, i think that would be a better option to begin with, actually.
[22:14] <RAOF> Wheras the user-visible difference between having -nouveau installed or not is ~400KiB of disc space.
[22:14] <dandel> I have had issues with Ubuntu 10.04 boot because of my video card (not supported by radeon driver) in that release... so it's harder.
[22:16] <dandel> most end users who are new will grab the lts version, and if it auto-sets things which are not properly supported it can be troublesome... 10.04 kernel does not support rhd5000 or newer cards, but forces radeon driver by default on them anyways.
[22:17] <RAOF> Well, that's a bug.  The drivers *should* fall back cleanly to vesa when encountering unsupported hardware.
[22:17] <RAOF> But using vesa on the livecd isn't a good option.
[22:17] <LLStarks> https://lists.launchpad.net/hybrid-graphics-linux/msg00450.html
[22:17] <dandel> well, the livecd in 10.04 is useless with rhd5000 (or newer) cards unless you force vesa.
[22:18] <pwnguin> im just looking at the policy and it's not quite an absolute dependency. i think recommends would be sufficient, and traditional for metapackages, so i was thinking there might have been a reason for it
[22:18] <LLStarks> if we can turn optimus cards off, i hope we can turn them on.
[22:19] <dandel> RAOF, the problem with that is the xorg driver does not always know that the device is unsupported, and is blanket enabled on all cards which have the rhd 2000 or higher id set.
[22:19] <RAOF> pwnguin: It's probably a holdover from when Debian didn't install recommends by default.
[22:24] <RAOF> dandel: Actually, it's got a list of supported PCIIDs and checks aganist that.  The X server will always try to load radeon on all ati hardware, but the radeon driver will check against its list.
[22:26] <dandel> RAOF, True, however, what happens when the kernel module does not support the card... which is the case with 10.04 and the rhd5000 series.
[22:26] <LLStarks> does radeonhd support it?
[22:26] <dandel> Not in 10.04.
[22:26] <RAOF> LLStarks: radeonhd doesn't usefully support anything anymore :)
[22:27] <dandel> i get garbage and system freezes with the open source driver on 10.04.
[22:27] <RAOF> dandel: In that case, the radeon driver should fall back to its UMS support; if that doesn't work, it's a bug in the driver.  But it's not because it doesn't (in theory) support the card :)
[22:28] <dandel> Yea, and i can reproduce this bug every time... on livecd and usb (although usb creation for 10.04.1 amd64 is also broken, no boot menu)


[00:46] <The-Kernel> hum...new install of xubuntu...hald takes 5 minutes to start on boot up
[00:48] <The-Kernel> now, I get a fail to initlize hal when I load gdm
[01:05] <BunnyRevolution> hi.  i'd like to play a dvd in xubuntu hardy.  is there something i'm not doing right?
[01:05] <BunnyRevolution> do i need extra codecs?
[01:06] <favro> !dvd
[01:41] <homebrewcider> can someone help me access another computer on my lan please? I'm on my xubuntu box, the other is a heavily stuffed windows box currently runnung a live xubuntu cd. I can see the files I want to get with lanshark program but can't copy them across
[01:44] <zoredache> one fairly easy method would be to install and start openssh-server on the livecd box.  Then simply use gftp-gtk to connect via ssh and copy stuff accross
[02:06] <eranj> hey guys
[02:17] <cruzer> yeah, i just installed xubuntu on an old laptop, the wifi works but my graphics card doesnt. the card isint a major card. is there anyway i cant get it to native res?
[03:02] <jean-louis> it's not easy to add an application to the deskbar, hard find icons, no drag and drop possibility
[04:04] <tonysssss> hey
[04:04] <tonysssss> is it possible to install xubuntu while retaining the windows bootloader?
[04:07] <Odd-rationale> tonysssss: i believe so... see the !grub factiod...
[04:08] <tonysssss> whats that
[04:12] <David-A> !grub
[04:12] <David-A> !factiod
[04:13] <David-A> ,factiod is I am one
[04:14] <David-A> !factiod
[04:15] <David-A> ,factiod
[04:15] <David-A> ,forget factiod
[04:17] <David-A> David-A: no, I don't know what I am doing
[05:48] <JinKazama> hi all. when I type ./networking restart to restart my network interfaces, after restart command prompt stops and maybe keep waiting for some other command. I exit from that with Alt+C byt I don't know if that is right. ...  ? :-)
[05:49] <Odd-rationale> JinKazama: try "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[05:51] <JinKazama> yes. that I typing to restart. but after restart the command prompt stops ... and waits for somethin else. I don't know what to do then...
[05:53] <Odd-rationale> JinKazama: does the command i posted do that?
[05:53] <JinKazama> yes
[05:54] <Odd-rationale> JinKazama: you should seee: netwoking        [stop]
[05:54] <JinKazama>  * Reconfiguring network interfaces...                                   [ OK ]
[05:54] <JinKazama> sotirov@sotirov-laptop:~$  * Stopping NTP server ntpd
[05:54] <JinKazama>    ...done.
[05:54] <JinKazama>  * Starting NTP server ntpd
[05:54] <JinKazama>    ...done.
[05:54] <JinKazama> and then stops and waits ...
[05:55] <Odd-rationale> stops at sotirov@sotirov-laptop:~$ ?
[05:56] <JinKazama> this is the code from terminal I paste it here
[05:58] <Odd-rationale> JinKazama: well, that looks ok...
[05:58] <JinKazama> after second " ...done" I don't know hwt to do. btw the network works propertly. my question is if after restart I myst type Alt+C to exit ?
[05:58] <JinKazama> *what to do ...
[05:59] <Odd-rationale> JinKazama: alt+c? or ctrl+c ?
[05:59] <JinKazama> yes ... sorry :) Ctrl+C
[06:00] <Odd-rationale> i don't think you should... but if it works...  I also used 'standby' and that worked like really fast > I loved that... but I'd really like to set up hibernation <after grub | as I'm dual-booting my friends windows box> and I was wondering if anyone here knows how to do that??
[12:02] <o7andrew> thinkmassive: cool name bro"
[12:03] <o7andrew> I'll be back in the next day or so, c.u.all
[12:19] <zairo> hi. how to resize the icon on xubuntu desktop. i use compiz. before this is work like a charm using setting > setting manager > desktop.
[15:59] <b3nw> there isn't a xubuntu+1 channel I assume?
[16:08] <knome> b3nw, no
[16:08] <knome> b3nw, #ubuntu+1 is for all "flavors"
[16:12] <b3nw> knome - thanks
[16:12] <knome> np
[16:13] <wormsxulla_> hi. does anyone know about connecting an imode phone (used as a modem) to a pc with xubuntu?
[16:14] <jals> what app can i use to encode wav files to mp3?
[17:05] <Ahtenus> I want to connect to shared folders on a windows computer, how do I do that?
[17:05] <TheSheep> Ahtenus: using some smb client
[17:06] <zoredache> !fusesmb
[17:06] <Ahtenus> k
[17:15] <TheSheep> jals: sound converter, for example
[17:26] <jals> cheers TheSheep
[17:55] <Awsoonn> what is a good pdf reader for xubuntu?
[17:56] <TheSheep> the default one
[17:56] <TheSheep> evince
[17:56] <Awsoonn> I was hopeing for something that didn't rely on gnome.
[17:57] <Myrtti> er
[17:57] <Myrtti> since when has evince relied on gnome?
[17:57] <Awsoonn> It's listed as a dependancy, let me look again maybe I made a mistake
[17:57] <TheSheep> on the contrary, I think xubuntu devs helped removing the gnome deps from it
[17:57] <Myrtti> please do
[17:57] <zoredache> gtk != gnome
[17:58] <TheSheep> !info evince-gtk
[17:59] <Awsoonn> libgnome2-0 (>= 2.17.3) listed as a depends
[17:59] <Myrtti> yeeeesss?
[18:00] <Awsoonn> ah ha! evince-gtk :)
[18:00] <TheSheep> it still relies on gnome-icon-theme, but I guess you'll have to live with that
[18:01] <Awsoonn> hmmm, I got to learn something today.  :)
[18:01] <Awsoonn> next question is, what is dbus?
[18:01] <Awsoonn> I thought that was a gnome framework for messaging between programs and such.
[18:02] <bytor4232> !dbus
[18:02] <bytor4232> dang
[18:02] <Awsoonn> :P
[18:03] <bytor4232> D-Bus is a message bus system, a simple way for applications to talk to one another. In addition to interprocess communication, D-Bus helps coordinate process lifecycle; it makes it simple and reliable to code a "single instance" application or daemon, and to launch applications and daemons on demand when their services are needed.
[18:03] <zoredache> simply strike the 'gnome' part of your statment and it sounds like you have a good idea
[18:03] <bytor4232> from http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/dbus
[18:04] <bytor4232> Hm.  It was developed by RedHat.  Interesting.
[18:04] <Awsoonn> right on, I am just rying to keep this machine as lean on the memory as possible is my goal. It's kinda old...
[18:04] <bytor4232> Turn off the gnome and kde sessions in "Sessions and Startup" in the settings manager.
[18:05] <TheSheep> reduce color depth and resolution
[18:05] <bytor4232> TheSheep: never thought about doing that.
[18:05] <bytor4232> TheSheep: My processor may be a tad on the slow side, but I have plenty of ram.
[18:07] <Awsoonn> bytor4232: session tip < - THANKS
[18:16] <Ahtenus> I used this guide to set up fusesmb:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FuseSmb but there is two problems;1. I can only see my one computer. pinging the other comuter works.2. My win comuter can read my share but not write to it.
[18:19] <Ahtenus> Anyone?
[18:19] <cody-somerville> Ahtenus, hi
[18:19] <Ahtenus> hi
[18:20] <Ahtenus> you read my problem right?
[18:20] <Ahtenus> question..
[18:20] <cody-somerville> Yup
[18:21] <bytor4232> Ahtenus: Usually if noone answers, we don't know or don't have time.  You could always try in the #ubuntu channel since this is more of a core system issue, rather than xubuntu specific.
[18:21] <cody-somerville> Ahtenus, you probably didn't set your username and password correctly in the fusemb config
[18:22] <zoredache> for the computer you are having problems with, make sure you are in the correct workgroup, make sure you aren't firewalling 'file and print sharing'.  Make sure computer name use the characters [-a-z0-9] only.
[18:22] <Ahtenus> I souldn't enter my user password or?
[18:23] <danielm> zoredache++
[18:23] <knome> kaffeine can play dvd's, but gxine or vlc not.
[18:25] <TheSheep> !dvd | knome
[18:25] <knome> TheSheep, yes?
[18:26] <knome> doesn't really help with my problem
[18:27] <TheSheep> knome: from what you described, should help
[18:28] <knome> can you be more verbose, like how?
[18:29] <cody-somerville> gxine uses a different backend then what Xubuntu uses by default (gstreamer)
[18:29] <knome> a-ha
[18:29] <knome> so would totem be the preferred player?
[18:30] <cody-somerville> right
[18:30] <knome> ok
[18:30] <knome> so it can't show the menus of this dvd, for example
[18:31] <cody-somerville> Yea, Totem doesn't support that :P
[18:31] <cody-somerville> I use vlc myself
[18:32] <knome> may i ask why totem is the default then?
[18:32] <TheSheep> because we cannot ship vlc because of legal resons
[18:33] <TheSheep> some reactionary countries, like USA or Japan have laws against it :)
[18:56] <ruif13> hi
[18:56] <ruif13> i've a xubuntu server installed in a p3-550 machine
[18:56] <ruif13> but the distro have a lot of installed software i need to uninstall all.
[18:57] <ruif13> is anyway to put xubuntu like a fresh install or i need it to install it again?
[18:57] <TheSheep> ruif13: you can just uninstall the programs you don't need...
[18:57] <ruif13> hum but i have some wrong configs i don't reemember like
[18:57] <ruif13> apache settings etc
[18:58] <ruif13> and zivios wrong setups
[18:58] <ruif13> and i need to setup xubuntu like a new one install
[18:58] <TheSheep> you can purge the configs when uninstalling
[18:58] <ruif13> what is the best way?
[18:58] <ruif13> hum
[18:58] <ruif13> not bad idea
[18:59] <ruif13> and i can do a new fresh install over network?
[18:59] <ruif13> i've a good internet conection
[18:59] <TheSheep> /var/lib/apt/extended_states <-- contains information on whether a package was automatically installed as a dependency, or installed explicitly by you
[18:59] <TheSheep> yes, you can
[19:00] <TheSheep> with the mini cd
[19:00] <TheSheep> !install
[19:00] <ruif13> because i don't have cdrom in that machine :S and flopy disk too
[19:00] <TheSheep> there are many options
[19:03] <ruif13> hey TheSheep you tell me the file extended_states have all installed sw?
[19:03] <TheSheep> ruif13: not necessarily
[19:04] <ruif13> hum
[19:04] <TheSheep> only the packages for which extended information needs to be saved
[19:05] <TheSheep> you can get a list of all installed software with dpkg -l
[19:05] <Sa[i]nT> How come I can't change my background image. Been trying for a while now.
[19:07] <TheSheep> Sa[i]nT: what's the error?
[19:08] <Sa[i]nT> TheSheep, I don't have the desktop option in my settings. I'm guessing whichever one makes it to where I can change my desktop image. Is this something I did'nt download or something?
[19:08] <TheSheep> Sa[i]nT: no, it should be in the default xubuntu installation
[19:08] <TheSheep> Sa[i]nT: xfdsektop4
[19:09] <Sa[i]nT> TheSheep, xfdesktop4 is already the newest version. Hmmm
[19:10] <TheSheep> try xfce4-mcs-plugins and xfce4-mcs-plugins-extra
[19:12] <Sa[i]nT> TheSheep, They are the newest version as well.
[19:12] <Sa[i]nT> TheSheep, Is there some other way to invoke the desktop settings?
[19:12] <TheSheep> and you don't have 'desktop' entry in the settings manager?
[19:12] <Sa[i]nT> TheSheep, Exactly.
[19:14] <TheSheep> xfce-setting-show backdrop
[19:15] <Sa[i]nT> TheSheep, No such plugin
[19:16] <TheSheep> let me check something
[19:16] <TheSheep> dpkg -S /usr/lib/xfce4/mcs-plugins/backdrop_settings.so
[19:16] <TheSheep> xfdesktop4: /usr/lib/xfce4/mcs-plugins/backdrop_settings.so
[19:17] <TheSheep> Sa[i]nT: reinstall xfdesktop4
[19:17] <Sa[i]nT> TheSheep, ok, trying.
[19:19] <Sa[i]nT> TheSheep, Still no desktop option. GAHH
[19:19] <TheSheep> Sa[i]nT: do you have that file?
[19:19] <TheSheep> Sa[i]nT: is this xubuntu?
[19:19] <Sa[i]nT> TheSheep, I have everything. I've been trying to get this to work forever.
[19:20] <Sa[i]nT> TheSheep, xfce, yeah.
[19:20] <Sa[i]nT> brb
[19:20] <TheSheep> Sa[i]nT: I'm not asking about xfce, I'm asking about the ditribution
[19:48] <jals> sound converter doesn't seem to be ripping at the proper bitrate
[22:23] <Genelyk> why xubuntu 8.10 beta, have  pidgin  and xchatirc ??
[22:25] <zoredache> why?  why not?
[22:26] <Genelyk> xubuntu is  for  machine low power
[22:28] <zoredache> so which do you have objections with?  I would be happen if both where dropped...
[22:41] <Genelyk> uhmm


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[16:33] <katie1231> just installed ubuntu 16.04 and i have no unity dash launcher and top menu bar, anyone know how to fix this?
[18:17] <a1fa> katie1231: did you install it over existing wm?
[18:17] <a1fa> or is this a fresh install?