 asking again on IRC
 We waited for too long, I propose to go ahead, copy uim manually and then land everything else.
 Oh, hedgewars needs rebuild, doing it


[02:41] <nelhage> Can someone help me figure out the right way I should think about writing a patch to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/module-init-tools/+bug/429595 ?
[02:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 429595 in module-init-tools "Atheros Wireless Network Chip AR5212 not detected" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[02:42] <nelhage> The problem, AFAICT, is that jockey is leaving behind configuration blacklisting ath5k on Jaunty → Karmic upgrades.
[02:42] <nelhage> But I know shit about how Jockey works, or even whether this should be considered Jockey's fault, module-init-tool's fault, or what.
[02:44] <nelhage> But since I went to the effort of figuring out what was wrong, I'd like to help see it fixed, and am willing to write a patch if I figure out what I ned to patch.
[03:16] <nigel_nb> I need a little help from you guys about bug #480474
[03:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 480474 in software-center "my problem is that the software center not even let me install or uninstall applications of any kind" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/480474
[03:18] <nigel_nb> per se this is not a bug... the user just needs to go to update manger and update, then it will work, but this might need to be done automatically by the application....anyone else noticed tis?
[03:18] <micahg> nigel_nb: well, I think we need reproducibility steps
[03:19] <micahg> software center is suppose to be like add/remove applications
[03:19] <nigel_nb> micahg: I noticed this when i installed karmic
[03:19] <micahg> so what's wrong?
[03:19] <nigel_nb> I realized the problem right away and updated from upgrade manager....but it might confuse others
[03:19] <nigel_nb> when you first install karmic
[03:19] <micahg> so, you have to update before softare center works?
[03:19] <nigel_nb> yep
[03:19] <nigel_nb> the first tiem
[03:19] <nigel_nb> remember when u open add/remove, the list gets updated
[03:20] <nigel_nb> that does not happen automatically on software center
[03:20] <micahg> nigel_nb: so, you should probably comment and confirm, amybe update the description with all the information
[03:20] <micahg> nigel_nb: so I think you just described the issue :)
[03:20] <nigel_nb> micahg: lemme just boot a virtual machine with a clean install and confirm again
[03:23] <micahg> nigel_nb: there's bug 461334
[03:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 461334 in software-center "Software centre's cache is not updated correctly (Phatch GUI package is not listed)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/461334
[03:24] <nigel_nb> micahg: great :)
[03:24] <nigel_nb> micahg: so I dont have to create a new virtual machine
[03:28] <nigel_nb> micahg: what is Phatch?
[03:29] <nigel_nb> micahg: but does not per se related to this bug
[03:33] <micahg> it's just a program
[03:33] <micahg> idk if you should hijack that bug
[03:34] <nigel_nb> hehe
[03:34] <nigel_nb> I'll hijack the one that i mentioned, thats close to the problem
[03:34] <micahg> but you can change the one you have to be about first run cache updates
[03:35] <nigel_nb> yes, btw, thats called cache update?
[03:35] <micahg> sure ;)
[03:38] <micahg> nigel_nb: bug 466321
[03:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 466321 in software-center "After Ubuntu installation, nothing is installable until package list is updated" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/466321
[03:39] <nigel_nb> micahg: great :)
[03:40]  * nigel_nb stops creating a new virtual machine
[03:40] <nigel_nb> so I'll just mark it a duplicate
[03:40] <micahg> nigel_nb: Virtualbox can boot off a LIveCD w/out a new VM
[03:41] <micahg> or rather new install
[03:41] <nigel_nb> shouldn't i create a new machine first
[03:41] <micahg> depends if you want to do more than simple does this work or not
[03:41] <nigel_nb> i have only 1 machine which is my test bed for lucid
[03:41] <micahg> or if you need disk space
[03:42] <micahg> something like this a live CD might be able to tell you
[03:42] <micahg> idk
[03:44] <nigel_nb> oh..
[03:44] <nigel_nb> thanks
[03:44] <nigel_nb> micahg: on an offhand...
[03:44] <nigel_nb> i asked for a mentor on bugcontrol yday
[03:44] <nigel_nb> and forgot to add my launchpad Id... would that be a problem?
[03:45] <micahg> i don't think so
[03:45] <hggdh> nigel_nb: not really a problem, except that I am waaaay behind on working on the mentorship requests
[03:45] <nigel_nb> oh
[03:46] <nigel_nb> thats trouble :(
[03:46] <hggdh> so, please, do not despair
[03:46] <micahg> nigel_nb: figuring out what you want to do can also help finding a mentor
[03:46] <nigel_nb> I'm just triaging whatever bugs I can help with right now
[03:46] <nigel_nb> I was hoping to join someone and take care of a package
[03:47] <micahg> they all need help :)
[03:47] <micahg> 42k new bugs
[03:47] <nigel_nb> whoa
[03:47] <micahg> 78k open bugs
[03:47] <nigel_nb> right now I'm just triaiging whatever I can understand with help from here
[03:48] <nigel_nb> so is it better to continue that or wait for a mentor?
[03:48] <micahg> well, it's whatever you're comfortable with
[03:48] <nigel_nb> id rather do something that nothing :)
[03:48] <micahg> I always suggest choosing a package(s) that you're familiar with
[03:48] <hggdh> nigel_nb: the mentor will probably work with you here
[03:49] <micahg> so that you know what expected behavior is
[03:49] <hggdh> pretty much like what micahg is doing
[03:49] <hggdh> oops. Sorry for interrupting
[03:49] <nigel_nb> ah..
[03:49] <hggdh> brb
[03:49] <micahg> hggdh: you're not interrupting :)
[03:49] <hggdh> gotta reboot, will BRB
[03:49] <nigel_nb> hggdh: I need to get to know everyone too :)
[03:50] <hggdh> you will, you will:-)
[03:51] <nigel_nb> you guys start from the newest and go towards older? or the other way around?
[03:52] <micahg> newest first per bdmurray so we help people with current problems first
[03:52] <nigel_nb> ah. ok :)
[04:02] <maco> when i triaged wth dtchen all last summer, id try to catch teh firehose (the incoming torrent of new bugs), and he'd work from oldest.
[04:03] <micahg> maco: is there an official audio support channel?
[04:03] <maco> official? no
[04:10] <nigel_nb> maco: but then daniel knows what to do for everything he sees
[04:10] <nigel_nb> i guess i should start my making the job easier for him by triaging as much as i can
[04:10] <nigel_nb> and letting experts do the patches
[04:11] <nigel_nb> brb
[04:22] <nigel_nb> in bug #480441, the user filed it under nautilius buts is a permission problem
[04:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 480441 in nautilus "i cant chande the permisssion on my memory card" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/480441
[04:23] <nigel_nb> shouldn't it be under linux?
[04:24] <micahg> nigel_nb: that's a good question
[04:25] <nigel_nb> micahg: I mean the kernel
[04:25] <micahg> nigel_nb: depends
[04:25] <nigel_nb> so that we can have a report of the device
[04:26] <FFEMTcJ> hello all.. I have a quick question.. I'm trying to get into triaging... If I am unable to reproduce a bug using the information given.. Should I just leave a comment saying that or should I close as invalid?
[04:27] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: are you on a different release?
[04:27] <micahg> are the instructions clear?
[04:27] <FFEMTcJ> Nope.. same release as op
[04:27] <FFEMTcJ> micahg: #480484 for example...
[04:28] <micahg> bug 480484
[04:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 480484 in brasero "after simulating burning the program crashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/480484
[04:28] <FFEMTcJ> the reply is mine..
[04:28] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: maybe set to incomplete and wait for response
[04:29] <FFEMTcJ> ok
[04:29] <micahg> nigel_nb: user isn't clear on permission for what
[04:29] <FFEMTcJ> What would it take to mark as invalid vs incomplete?
[04:30] <micahg> !status > FFEMTcJ
[04:30] <ubot4> FFEMTcJ, please see my private message
[04:30] <nigel_nb> micahg: the user is having trouble with reading memory card..some permission problem
[04:30] <FFEMTcJ> micahg: it said factoid status not found
[04:30] <micahg> ugh
[04:30] <nigel_nb> unfortunately, the bug is logged under nautilius
[04:30] <micahg> !status
[04:30] <ubot4> Factoid 'status' not found
[04:31] <nigel_nb> FFEMTcJ: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[04:31] <FFEMTcJ> thanks nigel_nb
[04:31] <nigel_nb> FFEMTcJ: no problem
[04:31] <micahg> i thought we had a factoid for that....
[04:31] <micahg> nigel_nb: that's ok
[04:31] <micahg> it could be the user is trying to change in nautilius
[04:31] <nigel_nb> yea thts my guess
[04:31] <micahg> if they're trying to change a file on the card, that might be valid
[04:32] <micahg> so, the package is fine
[04:32] <micahg> we need more information
[04:32] <nigel_nb> but we dont have much info,
[04:32] <nigel_nb> ah
[04:32] <micahg> steps to reproduce
[04:32] <nigel_nb> will ask for that
[04:33] <micahg> nigel_nb: great!
[04:34] <micahg> nigel_nb: perfect!
[04:35] <nigel_nb> micahg: :) budding student
[04:39] <nigel_nb> I'm calling it a day.... night micahg
[04:39] <micahg> night nigel_nb
[05:00] <FFEMTcJ> would bug 480428 qualify as wishlist?
[05:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 480428 in sudo "[Enh] Details/Verbose in gksudo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/480428
[06:07] <FFEMTcJ> Could someone please also check out 480400 for wishlist?
[06:07] <FFEMTcJ> bug 480400
[06:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 480400 in update-manager "distro update and old kernels" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/480400
[07:33] <jarl> Hi. I just got a KDE program crash (Amarok). It suggest to report a bug (it is porbably directly in KDE bug tracking. However it seems that I don't have debug information installed. How do I install this (in Karmic)?
[12:03] <TheNewAndy> so I have some bugs which are in launchpad, but should be forwarded to gnome bugzilla.
[12:03] <TheNewAndy> Is there any magic in launchpad for doing this and keeping the two linked?
[12:04] <TheNewAndy> Or do I just create a new bug in bugzilla and put links to the respective bits in the comments.
[12:07] <pedro_> TheNewAndy, there's no magic, you need to open the bugs on bugzilla and  then create a bug watch on launchpad
[12:07] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Watches
[12:08] <TheNewAndy> thanks. the watch is the bit of magic which I thought existed, and didn't know the name for :)
[12:09] <pedro_> ah alright, i thought you were talking about an automatic way to forward those :-)
[12:09] <TheNewAndy> well I didn't really know what I was looking for. But I seemed to remember that there was some link between the systems
[12:10] <pedro_> yes a bug watch, and you can also put the launchpad bug url on the bugzilla report
[12:10] <pedro_> there's an url field there
[12:11] <TheNewAndy> ok great. I'll fix it all up then (I went on a bug filing/fixing rampage on the weekend, so now it is cleanup time :))
[12:11] <pedro_> awesome! :-)
[12:11] <pedro_> thanks for the help TheNewAndy
[12:11] <TheNewAndy> hey I didn't do anything - you helped me :)
[12:12] <pedro_> i mean for forwarding more reports to gnome :-)
[12:14] <TheNewAndy> is the launchpad bug url in gnome.bugzilla called something non-obvious. I have "Alias", "Keywords", "Depends on", "Blocks" and "CC"
[12:15] <pedro_> yeah the box isn't too obvious
[12:16] <pedro_> is on between the CC List and the GNOME target
[12:16] <pedro_> right side of the Keywords, Depends on, etc
[12:16] <pedro_> it says "See Also: Add Bug URLs:"
[12:17] <TheNewAndy> ah, I had to add the bug first, then attach the url
[12:17] <pedro_> yes
[13:19] <^arky^> what is correct upstream for python-dogtail package bug 460210
[13:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 460210 in dogtail "Newer version of dogtail " [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/460210
[14:19] <bddebian> Boo
[14:20] <thekorn> boohoo bddebian
[14:20] <bddebian> :)
[14:49] <caolin> I need some help from someone in bug-control. I have 2 bugs that I have personally confirmed and a third confirmed bug that I have examined which I believe can be triaged. The bugs I confirmed are 236715 and 254130, and the other bug that needs triage status is 446743. Could a bug-control please member look at these and mark them triaged if you agree with my assessment?
[14:50] <yofel> bug 236715
[14:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 236715 in nullmailer "nullmailer spams relay host if misconfigured" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/236715
[14:51] <yofel> bug 254130
[14:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 254130 in ubuntu "smtp problems, zoneminder? cause of games crashing?" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/254130
[14:51] <yofel> bug 446743
[14:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 446743 in gdm "gdmsetup allows autologin even when home directories are encrypted" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/446743
[14:51] <caolin> yes
[14:51] <yofel> I'm not part of bug-control, bug having the links would be handy ;)
[14:52] <hggdh> looking
[14:52] <yofel> s/bug/but
[14:52] <hggdh> caolin: was you that added the Debian task?
[14:53] <caolin> yes
[14:53] <hggdh> good work!
[14:53] <hggdh> thank you :-)
[14:53] <caolin> np
[14:53] <hggdh> first one done
[14:55] <hggdh> second one -- you should have converted it back to a bug, and changed the Ubuntu task to nullmailer
[14:55] <caolin> oops - thanks for pointing it out
[14:55] <hggdh> np
[14:55] <hggdh> second one done
[14:55] <hggdh> er
[14:56] <hggdh> gotta go, will be back in 1hour
[14:57] <yofel> that reminds me, could bug 434390 be set to triaged?
[14:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 434390 in kpackagekit ""Cannot Get Lock" Displayed Over and Over Again From KPackagekit" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/434390
[14:59] <FFEMTcJ> Could someone explain something to me? I'm new, so trying to figure this out.. but 480589 - Would that be fixed when lucid gets sync'ed, or something else?
[14:59] <FFEMTcJ> sorry.. bug 480589
[14:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 480589 in nautilus-actions "[Update package] nautilus-actions 2.29.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/480589
[15:00] <FFEMTcJ> and I guess bug 480585 (already tagged wishlist) would be the same too
[15:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 480585 in ayaspell-dic "Please sync ayaspell-dic 0.0.0+20080110-1.1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/480585
[15:02] <mr_steve> Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if anything's happening with bug 403408
[15:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 403408 in grub2 "Grub 2 problem, error: no such device" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403408
[15:02] <mr_steve> It's rather severe...
[15:10] <yofel> hm, I guess the grub devs don't have enough time for it right now... let's hope it get's fixed for lucid
[15:12] <mr_steve> Yeah, I hope so. Lots of people are getting bit by that one right out of the box
[15:18] <charles> could someone mark bugs 479772 and 460251 as "Wishlist" please?
[15:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 479772 in transmission "[Feature Request] Add Support for Magnet Links" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/479772
[15:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 460251 in transmission "(Feature) Allow Next paused download to start when previous download has finished." [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/460251
[15:21] <mrand> charles: done
[15:21] <charles> thanks mrand
[15:37] <WeatherGod> I come across an odd symptom, and I swear I saw it in another bug report... a thumb drive is being named by its USB id string when mounted
[15:38] <WeatherGod> can anyone point me to a bug report about that?
[15:39] <WeatherGod> the usb thumb drive in question is being named as "3BF8-0A57"
[15:40] <hggdh> hum. Try to search for 'uuid'
[15:46] <mr_steve> WeatherGod, that seems to be the new behavior for filesystems that don't have a label. I know my SD cards used to mount as /media/disk-1 or so, now it's /media/DEAD-BEEF or such
[15:47] <WeatherGod> ok, so it is probably not directly related to my bug
[15:47] <WeatherGod> I see that it seems to be the new thing with DeviceKit
[15:48] <mr_steve> WeatherGod, Yep. I've started trying to label my filesystems so they'll mount as /media/<LABEL> instead
[15:49] <WeatherGod> I still don't quite see why this is desired behavior for removable drives like thumb drives
[15:52] <mr_steve> Well, I suppose the mountpoints have to be named something, and it seems this way is a little less arbitrary than disk-1, disk-2, etc. It sure is ugly, though.
[15:54] <WeatherGod> true, and it does give them a consistent name when going from computer to computer
[15:55] <WeatherGod> I know one person who was thoroughly confused when her thumb drive was the E:\ drive on one computer, but was the F:\ drive on another.
[15:55] <mr_steve> Yep. It's especially handy for things like keeping your PGP/SSH keys on a thumb drive, since you have a consistent mountpoint you can symlink to.
[16:00] <XiXaQ> is anyone familiar with any bug reports regarding high cpu usage from Network-Manager when using a 3G modem, or less general, Nokia N95 8GB? I have to restart Network-Manager all the times. More than ten times today alone.
[16:18] <WeatherGod> So, I have someone with an automounting problem, and I want to have them run apport-collect.  Which package hook should I suggest?
[16:18] <WeatherGod> I am thinking 'udev'
[16:24] <muelli> XiXaQ: well. Which process is hogging the CPU? I'd get debug symbols for that, attach a debugger to the hogging process. get a backtrace and search for that in the bug database
[16:25] <muelli> WeatherGod: depends on what the problem is. Is the device recognized by the kernel? (unplug, dmesg -c, plug in, dmesg, check for recognition) if not, kernel. if, it might be a nautilus issue.
[16:25] <XiXaQ> muelli, Network-Manager
[16:27] <WeatherGod> muelli, no clue... the bug reporter is a 60 year old woman who just figured out that she had to take the cap *off* her thumb drive to insert it
[16:28] <muelli> XiXaQ:  I'd get debug symbols for that, attach a debugger to the hogging process. get a backtrace and search for that in the bug database
[16:30] <qense> Is there a gnome-mount hook? That should check both sides of the mounting process: detecting and processing by the GUI.
[16:31] <WeatherGod> qense, not listed in the Apport wiki page
[16:31] <qense> that's a shame
[16:33] <qense> it could be devicekit-disks, it could be udev
[16:33] <qense> or even the kernel
[16:34] <WeatherGod> is devicekit-disks available, I didn't see it on the list
[16:34] <qense> I do have a hook for it
[16:34] <qense> I'm looking at the three I named right now to see what they provide.
[16:35] <qense> devicekit-disks is the udev hook plus a devicekit-dump, fstab and an overview of the mounts
[16:36] <WeatherGod> maybe this page should be updated: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport/PackageHooks
[16:36] <qense> udev is a hardware report, custom udev rules and custom udev rules files
[16:36] <qense> it probably should
[16:36] <WeatherGod> devicekit-disks should be sufficient to get me started
[16:36] <qense> the kernle isn't very informative, so devicekit-disks would indeed be the best choice.
[16:38] <WeatherGod> in my search for bug reports about loading/unloading cds, I found a bunch of untriaged reports, I am gonna get them to do apport-collects
[16:38] <WeatherGod> maybe they can help to find the solution that I can then give to the 60-year old woman
[16:39] <qense> apport-collects will use the package of the bug
[16:39] <qense> You'll have to assign them all to devicekit-disks
[16:40] <WeatherGod> oh?  I thought that it defaults to the webpage, and that -p overrides it?
[16:40] <qense> I don't know anything about -p, is that new?
[16:41] <qense> Or maybe I've never known, that could aslso be true.
[16:41] <qense> oops
[16:41] <WeatherGod> dunno, I have been doing this for about 2 weeks
[16:41] <qense> you were right
[16:41] <qense> -p does allow you to override it
[16:41] <WeatherGod> ah, good to know
[16:41] <qense> sorry for confusing you!
[16:42] <WeatherGod> don't worry, it is incredibly easy to do...
[16:43] <WeatherGod> by the way, I really don't like the behavior of apport-collect sending each file as a separate reply
[16:43] <WeatherGod> it really clutters my inbox every time
[16:44] <WeatherGod> is anybody else bothered by this?
[16:44] <qense> there is no way of adding multiple attachements at once, and yes that is annoying!
[16:44] <Pici> w/22
[16:45] <WeatherGod> but yet, when using apport, the initial bug report comes with several files listed in the first reply
[16:45] <WeatherGod> seems like it would be possible somehow
[16:48] <qense> At the moment it's only possible to do that when reporting an entry.
[16:51] <WeatherGod> thanks for the info, qense
[16:51] <qense> you'rew elcome
[16:51] <yofel> hm, could bug 434390 be set to triaged?
[16:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 434390 in kpackagekit ""Cannot Get Lock" Displayed Over and Over Again From KPackagekit" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/434390
[17:02] <ara> pedro_, meeting ping
[17:02] <pedro_> ara, i'm there already ;-)
[17:28] <ara> pedro_, jono has confirmed that it is a bug
[17:28] <WeatherGod> Anybody know how I can check for the current version number of a package in 8.04?
[17:28] <ara> WeatherGod, rmadison
[17:29] <WeatherGod> ?
[17:29] <ara> WeatherGod, is a tool in ubuntu-dev-tools, I think
[17:29] <pedro_> ara, ok, thanks for the info
[17:29] <ara> WeatherGod, devscripts
[17:29] <WeatherGod> ah, but I am on a Fedora system right now
[17:29] <ara> WeatherGod, devscripts is the package
[17:29] <ara> WeatherGod, rmadison the tool
[17:30] <ara> WeatherGod, it will give you the version number in all ubuntu and debian releases for a given package
[17:31] <WeatherGod> ara, good to know, but maybe distrowatch might have the info available
[17:31] <ara> WeatherGod, then, through launchpad
[17:31] <ara> WeatherGod, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search
[17:32] <ara> WeatherGod, you give a package and it will give you the versions in the different releases
[17:32] <pedro_> WeatherGod, http://packages.ubuntu.com might help you there as well
[17:32] <WeatherGod> are, I see... that's nice
[17:59] <sbeattie> WeatherGod: rmadison the command line client just talks to the rmadison cgi script at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/madison.cgi
[18:06] <WeatherGod> sbeattie, neat! good to know
[18:10] <nigel_nb_> i'm looking for some help with the hug day tools
[18:10] <FFEMTcJ> Are there any mentors who would be available for a mentee?
[18:12] <nigel_nb_> FFEMTcJ: request a mentor via an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>In this email, please provide an area of specialisation, if you have any.
[18:14] <nigel_nb> i got a box popping up asking for postfix configuration
[18:14] <nigel_nb> what do I select here?
[18:14] <FFEMTcJ> nigel_nb: I did.. How long until I should expect a response?
[18:15] <nigel_nb> FFEMTcJ: i'm waiting too.. when i asked the team in the morning, they seemed to indicate that there is a long waiting list
[18:15] <FFEMTcJ> oh yeally..
[18:15] <FFEMTcJ> really..
[18:15] <FFEMTcJ> hmm
[18:15] <FFEMTcJ> that sucks
[18:15] <nigel_nb> naah...
[18:15] <nigel_nb> this way you can ask help here
[18:15] <nigel_nb> and anyone will respond when free
[18:16] <FFEMTcJ> noone answered my last question.. hehe
[18:16] <nigel_nb> oh
[18:16] <nigel_nb> what was the question, may be I could help... I am new too though
[18:16] <FFEMTcJ> Could someone explain something to me? I'm new, so trying to figure this out.. bug 480589 - Would that be fixed when lucid gets sync'ed, or something else?
[18:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 480589 in nautilus-actions "[Update package] nautilus-actions 2.29.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/480589
[18:17] <nigel_nb> FFEMTcJ: whats the bug about? I dont see much info
[18:18] <FFEMTcJ> I believe they are wanting that package updated to match the one in debian
[18:19] <nigel_nb> even i'm lost in this one.. I'm not so sure logging a bug is the way to go
[18:20] <WeatherGod> I think that is typical practice... I remember reading something about it in the howto guide
[18:21] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: nigel_nb: don't worry about update process bugs
[18:21] <WeatherGod> if you aren't sure what to do about a bug, skip it, and go to another
[18:21] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: nigel_nb: WeatherGod: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Special%20types%20of%20bugs
[18:21] <FFEMTcJ> WeatherGod: I was askin to learn
[18:21] <nigel_nb> WeatherGod: thanks.  thats what I usually do
[18:22] <FFEMTcJ> thanks micahg
[18:22] <WeatherGod> FFEMTcj, I treat the RSS feed like a conveyor belt, and pick out bugs that I think I can handle
[18:22] <micahg> WeatherGod: actually, if you're unsure, it's better to ask, how else do you learn?
[18:22] <WeatherGod> micahg, that is true
[18:22] <FFEMTcJ> lol @ WeatherGod
[18:23] <nigel_nb> thanks micahg
[18:23] <WeatherGod> FFEMTcj, in the past two weeks, I have been expanding the subject matter of what I can handle through this practice
[18:24] <FFEMTcJ> cool
[18:25] <FFEMTcJ> WeatherGod: what do you use for your reader for the rss?
[18:26] <fcuk112> bloglines ftw.
[18:26] <WeatherGod> FFEMTcj, I use Google Reader, and I have it set to only show the titles
[18:26] <WeatherGod> I go between computers throughout my day, so GMail and Google Reader ftw
[18:26] <FFEMTcJ> do you just mark as read everything you dont want?
[18:27] <FFEMTcJ> i use google reader for everything else..  just nto sure about it for bugs
[18:27] <fcuk112> bloglines is a web application too.
[18:27] <FFEMTcJ> seems like alot of traffic
[18:27] <trijntje> hi all. I think I might have found an error in synaptic but I'm not sure. Can someone use 'fast search' and search for xserver-xorg-video-intel
[18:27] <WeatherGod> FFEMTcj, after I go through a batch of them, I mark all as read to clear it out
[18:27] <FFEMTcJ> cool
[18:28] <FFEMTcJ> i already get a couple hundred a day on my greader.. i think id have to make a seperate account
[18:28] <trijntje> when I do that after each "-" the pakketlist goes blank, and when I keep typing packages appear again, is this the expected behavior?
[18:28] <WeatherGod> it does let a bunch slip through, but we are Triagers, afterall
[18:29] <FFEMTcJ> lots of problems today with msttcorefonts
[18:29] <WeatherGod> maybe someone can suggest a better method... this is what I developed over the past couple of weeks
[18:29] <WeatherGod> a lot of problems with that for a while
[18:29] <FFEMTcJ> oh really?
[18:29] <FFEMTcJ> ive merged 4 i think today
[18:29] <WeatherGod> what is the story with msttcorefonts?
[18:41] <FFEMTcJ> should people be reporting bugs when FF crashes while trying to load a website?
[18:42] <WeatherGod> FFEMTcJ, depends, does it crash your session as well?
[18:42] <FFEMTcJ> no
[18:42] <FFEMTcJ> the site does want to install MS silverlight
[18:42] <FFEMTcJ> bug 480835
[18:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 480835 in firefox-3.5 "crash visiting http://www.grazieatutti.rai.it/" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/480835
[18:43] <WeatherGod> that looks like a bug with the moonlight plugin, I think
[18:44] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: yeah, the user is running a custom version of the plugin
[18:44] <FFEMTcJ> k.. so it is a bug.
[18:45] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: yes, but not one we support
[18:45] <FFEMTcJ> so invalid?
[18:45] <micahg> yes, but refer the user to contact moonlight
[18:46] <nigel_nb> micahg: can you give me quick overview of using hugday?
[18:46] <nigel_nb> i mean the tool
[18:46] <micahg> nigel_nb: yes, but not right now, will you be available later this evening?
[18:47] <nigel_nb> micahg: yep.. from now till night
[18:47] <nigel_nb> looking for a lot of hugs :P
[18:47] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: you can also, note that the user can try a new profile and moonlight-plugin-mozilla from the archive
[18:48] <micahg> bbiab
[18:52] <WeatherGod> Question... what status should we be setting bugs to once we have determined it is a duplicate?  In particular the problem with wubi?
[18:54] <qense> I often leave the status as it is, mostly that is incomplete.
[18:54] <qense> That makes it easier to pick up the triaging if it turns out to be not a duplicate after all.
[18:54] <WeatherGod> qense, thanks!
[18:57] <hggdh> WeatherGod: once you dup a bug, the status is not important anymore, and can be left as it was
[18:59] <WeatherGod> gotcha
[19:02] <nigel_nb> about bug 454270, I cant reproduce it anymore... can i set to invalid
[19:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 454270 in nautilus ""Copy" command information message in Nautilus says file will be "moved", not "copied"." [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/454270
[19:02] <nigel_nb> apparently the user tried in jaunty and karmic beta
[19:03] <FFEMTcJ> seems to be tons of ubuntu one bug reports too
[19:03] <WeatherGod> Remember, just because you can't reproduce it, doesn't mean that it isn't a valid bug
[19:04] <WeatherGod> FFEMTcJ, you might want to read up on the Ubuntu One issues before handling them
[19:04] <FFEMTcJ> im not
[19:04] <FFEMTcJ> im just ignoring them.. just makin a comment about it is all ;-)
[19:05] <FFEMTcJ> I'm about 12 hours into trying to do triaging... lol.. I'm goin with easy
[19:05] <nigel_nb> it is a cosmetic bug though
[19:06] <WeatherGod> someone can correct me if I am wrong, but there was some sort of possible data corruption issue discovered right before roll-out, and to protect the data, Cannonical had to do some tricks to break the syncronization
[19:06] <WeatherGod> nigel_nb, cosmetic bug or not, it would be more useful to determine how it is they got the problem they have
[19:06] <WeatherGod> did they provide a screenshot?
[19:06] <WeatherGod> those are very valuable
[19:07] <nigel_nb> no screenshot
[19:07] <hggdh> nigel_nb: you tried it on Karmic?
[19:07] <pedro_> nigel_nb, hello, that looks like bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=590426
[19:07] <nigel_nb> when u copy a single file, the status bar said move instead of copy
[19:07] <ubot4> Gnome bug 590426 in Cut Copy Paste Undo "Status bar text says "<filename> will be moved ..." during a copy/paste operation" [Trivial,Unconfirmed]
[19:07] <nigel_nb> i tried on karmic
[19:08] <hggdh> OK. You can add the upstream link that pedro_ just posted, and state it does not happen on Karmic anymore per your tests
[19:08] <FFEMTcJ> hggdh: was that you that responded to my email about a mentor?
[19:08] <hggdh> FFEMTcJ: it probably was, but since it did not have your handle, I am not sure
[19:08] <FFEMTcJ> chris
[19:08] <hggdh> ah
[19:08] <hggdh> yes indeed
[19:08] <FFEMTcJ> :-)
[19:09] <FFEMTcJ> i saw your email addy, and figured it was
[19:09] <hggdh> OK. I can take you on, but please do not hesitate in asking questions here. Anyone of us that can answer will (eventually) do so ;-)
[19:09] <FFEMTcJ> Ok.. Cool
[19:10] <nigel_nb> hggdh: thanks, will do
[19:10] <hggdh> FFEMTcJ: what is your LP id?
[19:10] <FFEMTcJ> chrisjohnston
[19:13] <FFEMTcJ> if there is a bug with a arcitecture of i386 and the same bug in amd64, should they be left seperate?
[19:13] <hggdh> FFEMTcJ: OK, I marked you in under my tutelage
[19:13] <FFEMTcJ> ok.. cool.. thanks
[19:14] <hggdh> FFEMTcJ: if they are the same bug, no
[19:14] <FFEMTcJ> they are.. both a problem with upgrading grub2
[19:14] <hggdh> everything the same, except arch?
[19:14] <FFEMTcJ> yes
[19:15] <FFEMTcJ> bug 480591 bug 480583
[19:15] <hggdh> OK. you can see if there is an older bug with the same symptoms -- if there is one such, mark both as dups of the older, otherwise make the newest as a dup of the older
[19:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 480591 in grub2 "not installed intentionally" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/480591
[19:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 480583 in grub2 "package grub-pc 1.97~beta4-1ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/480583
[19:16] <FFEMTcJ> theres tons of the same error
[19:17] <hggdh> probably the same, but it pays to look at the DpkgTerminalLog.txt, and verify
[19:17] <hggdh> there might be a lot more like these, indeed
[19:24] <nigel_nb> FFEMTcJ: congrats on the mentor... now I have to wait :)
[19:24] <FFEMTcJ> Sorry nigel_nb
[19:24] <hggdh> nigel_nb: did you also ask for one?
[19:24] <nigel_nb> FFEMTcJ: its okay :)
[19:24] <nigel_nb> hggdh: I did
[19:24] <FFEMTcJ> When did you email?
[19:25] <nigel_nb> FFEMTcJ: 2 days ago
[19:25] <FFEMTcJ> hmm
[19:51] <trijntje> hi all. I think I might have found an error in synaptic but I'm not sure. Can someone use 'fast search' and search for xserver-xorg-video-intel
[19:51] <trijntje> when I do that after each "-" the pakketlist goes blank, and when I keep typing packages appear again, is this the expected behavior?
[19:55] <hggdh> trijntje: I cannot reproduce. But it may be related to the speed of your system, or version of Ubuntu
[19:55] <hggdh> I am running Karmic; as I type the search results are updated
[19:56] <trijntje> hggdh, i'm running karmic 32bit, and dont offend my system ;)
[19:56] <hggdh> heh. I am on amd64; so we should see the same, or thereabout. Let me try again
[19:57] <trijntje> its the letter after the "-", if you type that all packages disappear for me
[19:57] <qense> Should there be a dot after xserver-xorg-videu-intel and before 'when I do'?
[19:58] <qense> as in: typing xserver-(blank screen)xorg-(blank) etc?
[19:58] <hggdh> heh. It only happens for me on the 'v' of 'video'.
[19:59] <trijntje> qense: xserver-xorg-v(blank)ideo
[19:59] <hggdh> oh. BTW, qense, thank you :-)
[19:59] <qense> hggdh: you're welcome
[20:00] <trijntje> hggdh, you're right, it doesnt happen with the x from xorg
[20:00] <qense> btw, yes I can reproduce it
[20:00] <qense> with just the v of video typed everything goes blank
[20:00] <hggdh> I think it can be made in a bug, although with low importance.
[20:01] <qense> yes
[20:01] <trijntje> ill do that, its confusing when you are searching for a package. When you see the empty list you assume its not there
[20:01] <qense> true
[20:04] <trijntje> hggdh and qense, thanks for your time replicating this bug
[20:05] <qense> yw. where is the link? That way we can drop our confirmations.
[20:05] <hggdh> trijntje: you are welcome. Thank you for helping
[20:07] <hggdh> trijntje: ^^^
[20:07] <trijntje> hggdh, qense, still submitting the report, i forgot the apport command ;)
[20:07] <trijntje> ill post the link as soon as i have it
[20:07] <hggdh> ubuntu-bug synaptic
[20:10] <trijntje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/480896
[20:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 480896 in synaptic "synaptic doesnt recognise substrings of package names with "-"" [Undecided,New]
[20:12] <qense> trijntje: am replying right now, thanks for the link
[20:13] <trijntje> youre welcome
[20:13] <FFEMTcJ> question.. but 480339 - nxagent... I can't seem to find that in the ubuntu repos.. I believe it should be a bug for the freenx-team.. mark it as invalid and tell them to report the bug to the appropriate team?
[20:13] <FFEMTcJ> uggh.. bug 480339
[20:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 480339 in nxcompshad "trying "sudo apt-get install nxagent" package libxcompshad3  not installed  failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite  /usr/lib/libXcompshad.so.3 , which is also in package libxcompshad 0:3.2.0-1hardy1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/480339
[20:13] <FFEMTcJ> i cant type today
[20:14] <yofel> could bug 434390 be set to triaged?
[20:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 434390 in kpackagekit ""Cannot Get Lock" Displayed Over and Over Again From KPackagekit" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/434390
[20:15] <qense> trijntje: it always happens when typing the word after the second hyphen
[20:17] <trijntje> qense: try 3270-c
[20:17] <trijntje> for 3270-common
[20:18] <qense> same story indeed
[20:18] <hggdh> yofel: done. Please also always add a comment on your actions on a bug (like adding an upstream bug link)
[20:19] <yofel> hggdh: ok, will do next time :)
[20:19] <hggdh> yofel: thank you -- both both doing it next time and helping :-)
[20:19] <qense> trijntje: type gnome-s
[20:19] <WeatherGod> hggdh, I would like to second that sentiment... I have noticed some people marking bugs as dupes, but then not leaving a message to the reporter about what to do
[20:19] <qense> that shows a lot of stuff, but nothing starting with gnome-s
[20:20] <trijntje> qense: same here, thats strange
[20:21] <qense> gnome-sy shows nothing
[20:21] <trijntje> btw, is it possible for me to remove an attachment I added when the bug is nog assigned to me?
[20:21] <hggdh> all actions that change a bug state should be *always* documented
[20:21] <hggdh> trijntje: yes, you should be able to delete the attachment. Click on the 'edit' link
[20:22] <WeatherGod> hggdh, ok, that's what I thought
[20:22] <hggdh> FFEMTcJ: altthough nxagent is being taken from a PPA (and, as such, not accepted as a bug), the error seems to happen on a conflict
[20:22] <hggdh> FFEMTcJ: between the other two packages
[20:23] <trijntje> hggdh, i cannot see that option. I can change tags and description etc, but the attachment are in the first comment, i see no edit for that
[20:23] <hggdh> one way to test is to install the first one -- libxcompshad, and then install libxcompshad3
[20:24] <hggdh> trijntje: can I have the bug #? I may be rusty on permissions, having been in bug-control for quite a long time...
[20:24] <trijntje> qense, should I update the description or will you add it as a comment?
[20:24] <qense> you can do it
[20:24] <trijntje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/480896
[20:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 480896 in synaptic "synaptic doesnt recognise substrings of package names with "-"" [Low,Triaged]
[20:26] <FFEMTcJ> hggdh: im not finding a libxcompshad package
[20:27] <hggdh> trijntje: on the right side, under the "Bug attachment" header, you should see the attachments and an "edit" link
[20:27] <hggdh> FFEMTcJ: indeed
[20:28] <dtchen_> libxcompshad-dev: 3.3.0-3-0ubuntu1 500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/universe Packages
[20:28] <FFEMTcJ> right.. and there is also the libxcompshad3
[20:28] <trijntje> hggdh, ah, I see it now, thank you
[20:28] <hggdh> urg!!
[20:28] <trijntje> xsession-errors contains quite some personal information
[20:28] <hggdh> trijntje: this reporter has libxcompshad from *HARDY*, running on Karmic
[20:29] <hggdh> trijntje: in that bug? I do not see it
[20:30] <trijntje> hggdh, I just removed the xsessions-errors from that bugreport. I can scrub it and repost if it is needed
[20:30] <hggdh> trijntje: good idea
[20:31] <trijntje> btw, are we talking the same bug here? I know nothing about a hardy package i'm using;)
[20:31] <FFEMTcJ> trijntje: i think he was meaning to tell me that
[20:31] <hggdh> indeed. Sorry trijntje
[20:32] <FFEMTcJ> hggdh: i did see that.
[20:32] <FFEMTcJ> i have no idea what to do.. but am curious though
[20:32] <hggdh> FFEMTcJ: so the problem is the reporter has a Karmic install with old packages. I wonder how it happened
[20:33] <FFEMTcJ> beats me
[20:35] <WeatherGod> lemme take a look
[20:35] <hggdh> I am updating it, and asking the reporter how it happened
[20:36] <WeatherGod> talking about bug 480896?
[20:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 480896 in synaptic "synaptic doesnt recognise substrings of package names with "-"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/480896
[20:36] <hggdh>  no
[20:37] <FFEMTcJ> hggdh: should i just leave it then for someone smarter than I?
[20:38] <trijntje> hggdh, what should i leave in the .xsession-errors file, only things synaptic related or as much as possible?
[20:38] <hggdh> FFEMTcJ: just updated it, refresh the bug.
[20:38] <hggdh> trijntje: ideally, as much as possible
[20:39] <FFEMTcJ> sounds good to me hggdh
[20:40] <trijntje> hggdh, I see, its full of repeats, i guess ill remove those as well, else the file is over 2 MB
[20:42] <hggdh> no prob -- you are talking about the collision detected, I guess
[20:59] <trijntje> hggdh, yes, but i thought i removed that attachment
[20:59] <hggdh> I saw it before you removed
[21:01] <trijntje> ah ok, maybe one day ill go and see what all those errors are ;)
[21:30] <hggdh> ogasawara: ping -- can I get you on private?
[21:30] <hggdh> oh boy, that sounds bad :-(
[21:30] <hggdh> can I *chat* with you in PVT?
[22:07] <nigel_nb> hggdh: ping
[22:08] <nigel_nb> hggdh: sorry, got my internet was down..  just got it back up... customer service isn't great at 3:45 a.m.
[22:08] <hggdh> I am here, nigel_nb
[22:08] <hggdh> heh
[22:09] <nigel_nb> the last msg i got was whats my time zone
[22:09] <nigel_nb> you got my reply?
[22:34] <nigel_nb> is bug 107523 an upstream bug?
[22:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 107523 in nautilus "nautilus file menu still has unmount volume option" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107523
[22:57] <hggdh> nigel_nb: I personally do not know, never heard of ltsp
[22:59] <nigel_nb> hm.. I skipping that one..
[23:35] <_Narc_> You got to see it to believe it... Microsoft apparently patented sudo...
[23:36] <nigel_nb> _Narc_: i did see it :(
[23:37] <_Narc_> Someone got to explain to me which kind of experts they're hiring at the Patent Office
[23:37] <_Narc_> I'd really like to know them.
[23:38] <greg-g> _Narc_: the patent office doesn't pay well, so they won't be able to actually get "experts"
[23:38] <greg-g> until the USPTO starts to take its employees seriously, this will continue to be a problem
[23:39] <_Narc_> There used to be a time where people filling patents were... Einstein. I guess he too was poorly paid.
[23:40] <_Narc_> If there was one area one would expect to see experts, it's patents. It's technical...
[23:41] <_Narc_> I stop ranting but I'm angry :)
[23:41] <greg-g> _Narc_: well, yes, in theory it is, but in practice it is yet another place where we don't pay people who do us a great service (eg: teachers)
[23:41] <greg-g> yeah, also off topic :)
[23:42] <_Narc_> greg-g: I guess you're right. It's sad. Yeah, sorry for the off topic :)
[23:45] <hggdh> well, here we also do not get paid ;-)
[23:50] <hggdh> _Narc_: any specific area of interest -- like, say, Gnome?
[23:52] <_Narc_> hggdh: Oh, well, not really a specific area, but yes, I guess GNOME would be a good start
[23:53] <_Narc_> hggdh: It's encompassing a lot of things, so.


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[11:08] <t-goulart> ajuda com bluetooth.
[12:05] <AnthonyJ> hey
[12:05] <AnthonyJ> very well, someones here to talk
[12:06] <Kilos> hi AnthonyJ
[12:06] <AnthonyJ> hey guys


[13:48] <MikeRL> It seems the application grabbing issue as well as shell glitches when opening the overview are gone. Excellent work to whomever fixed them so quickly!
[13:49] <MikeRL> Well erp on the overview glitch. But the other one is already fixes.
[13:49] <MikeRL> *fixed.


[05:10] <Ryan52> bug 329948
[05:10] <Ryan52> oh, yes, that's a bug.
[05:10]  * maco giggles at title
[05:10] <Ryan52> :)
[05:46] <dholbach> good morning
[05:49] <maco> hello ther
[05:49] <dholbach> hi maco
[11:45] <davmor2> Guys on intrepid does anyone else get an error when using System->Preferences->Keyboard to add a new keyboard language?
[11:49] <stgraber> davmor2: hey, if you happen to do some testing before alpha-5, can you do a quick LTSP test, see if it now goes past the installer ?
[11:49] <stgraber> davmor2: (I'm supposed to get fast internet really soon now, that'll help :))
[11:50] <davmor2> stgraber: I'm doing some smoke testing this afternoon so I'll add it for you :)
[11:51] <davmor2> stgraber: can you do a quick test on keyboard and let me know if you get an error adding a new layout please
[11:54] <stgraber> davmor2: seems too work though selecting it doesn't actually switch to the new layout
[11:55] <stgraber> davmor2: I had US-int on this one and added Swiss french
[11:55] <davmor2> Meh just an issue here then :)
[11:55] <davmor2> stgraber: thanks :)
[11:55] <stgraber> np
[11:58] <philsf> can someone who understands kernel backtraces please take a look at the following dmesg and give me a hint of what's goiing on? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/21975410/dmesg.log it's from Bug #325238, where there are other debugging information and attachments
[12:04] <stgraber> philsf: looks like memory issue, the call trace doesn't show anything driver-specific
[12:04] <stgraber> philsf: if that's your computer, did you try a memtest on it ? if it's not your, maybe you should suggest the reporter to do it
[12:05] <philsf> stgraber:
[12:05] <philsf> stgraber: I did a memtest, yes
[12:05] <philsf> I can do a longer one
[12:05] <philsf> I did 3 or 4 passes only
[12:05] <stgraber> ok, may be something in the kernel then
[12:06] <stgraber> you should try to ping ogasawara when she wakes up (west coast
[12:06] <philsf> the machine is now working, after I removed the nvidia card
[12:06] <stgraber> oh, did you also get the bug with the nvidia card but without the binary driver ?
[12:06] <stgraber> (just trying to isolate the issue there)
[12:07] <philsf> well, I booted the livecd, does it already try the binary driver?
[12:09] <philsf> stgraber: will it suffice to remove nvidia-glx-new package, or should I remove nvidia-*?
[12:10] <stgraber> no, the livecd doesn't contain the binary driver
[12:10] <stgraber> so if you get the bug with the livecd, then it's not the binary driver that's at fault
[12:11] <philsf> I'm open to suggestions :)
[12:11] <stgraber> meaning that the kernel team is probably interested in hearing about your bug (they can't fix issues with the binary driver but they can for pretty much everything else)
[12:11] <philsf> I tried with two optial media: a cd and a dvd, both hardy
[12:12] <philsf> good to hear, thanks. I'll try #ubuntu-kernel again in a while. no one responded there when I asked
[12:13] <BUGabundo> philsf: they are like that: a tad slow
[12:13] <BUGabundo> but if you wait they will reply
[12:13] <stgraber> philsf: try asking ogasawara in 3-4 hours
[12:13] <BUGabundo> busy ppl I guess
[12:14] <philsf> yes, and I'm in wrong timezone :) thanks stgraber
[12:18] <ogra> BUGabundo, well, some of us tend to sleep at night :)
[12:18] <ogra> you could make a proposal to sleep faster :P
[12:19] <stgraber> ogra: 48h days ? :)
[12:19] <ogra> heh
[12:20] <BUGabundo> eheh
[12:20] <philsf> for those who exclusively work online, there's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/28-hour_day
[12:20] <BUGabundo> ogra is EVERYONE on that channel sleeping ? eheeh
[13:18] <Hew> seb128: What should we do about bug 254671? There are now 8 Jaunty dupes for it. Is it a problem with the retracer?
[13:18] <seb128> Hew: it's not a problem with the retracer but that stacktace seems to indicate that something is crashing somewhere in the gsd code
[13:19] <seb128> Hew: it doesn't mean that's the same crasher than the one fixed, better to have a new bug about the jaunty issue
[13:19] <seb128> Hew: it's confusing to mix fixed issues and new similar ones
[13:20] <Hew> seb128: Yes, I left it for a few days because I was unsure, but there are more and more. I guess I should take the first new bug and make the rest dupes of that?
[13:20] <seb128> right
[13:20] <seb128> and if you get the issue open an upstream bug
[13:21] <Hew> will do, but I haven't experienced it yet
[14:37] <drguildo> is it just me or is there no pixmap engine available for the amd64 architecture?
[15:06] <bddebian> Boo
[15:09] <BUGabundo1> foo
[15:09] <bddebian> :)
[15:16] <BUGabundo1> now to find ogasawara
[15:16] <BUGabundo1> ogasawara: ping
[15:16] <BUGabundo1> I have here a friend with a laptop from Insys
[15:17] <BUGabundo1> with a SIS board
[15:17] <BUGabundo1> I'm having trouble getting eth (or pretty much anything) working
[15:17] <BUGabundo1> to install via wubi, I had to disable acpi
[15:18] <BUGabundo1> using ubuntu 8.10 FYI
[15:18] <BUGabundo1> any tips on how to get this working? or should he just forget about it?
[15:23] <BUGabundo> bddebian: did my messages show up?
[15:23] <BUGabundo> or was I down?
[15:24] <bddebian> This is the last one I have from you: <BUGabundo1> any tips on how to get this working? or should he just forget about it?
[15:25] <BUGabundo> thanks
[15:25] <BUGabundo> that's it
[15:26] <BUGabundo> IRC went down, so I wasn't sure it had it the #
[15:26] <BUGabundo> now to get some feedback on this
[15:56] <thomasdelbeke> Hi there
[15:56] <thomasdelbeke> Plz take a look at this:
[15:57] <thomasdelbeke> http://paste.ubuntu.com/118866/
[15:57] <thomasdelbeke> I had previously posted this:
[15:57] <thomasdelbeke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/belpic/+bug/320480
[15:58] <thomasdelbeke> But it now seems that the nl locale thing is not the cause
[15:58] <thomasdelbeke> I re-experienced it in a new stable 8.10 partition
[15:59] <thomasdelbeke> Is it by any chance the same as this(?):
[15:59] <thomasdelbeke> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=691387
[16:00] <thomasdelbeke> Do I need to close the old one or reformulate the title?
[16:04] <thomasdelbeke> Hi there,
[16:04] <thomasdelbeke> anyone can help me with it?
[16:04] <thomasdelbeke> Or wrong channel?
[16:05] <BUGabundo> thomasdelbeke: with what?
[16:05] <thomasdelbeke> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=691387
[16:06] <thomasdelbeke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/belpic/+bug/320480
[16:06] <BUGabundo> no idea
[16:06] <thomasdelbeke> http://paste.ubuntu.com/118866/
[16:06] <thomasdelbeke> what it is you mean?
[16:07] <thomasdelbeke> I filed this a while ago
[16:07] <thomasdelbeke> I was wondering what to do with it?
[16:07] <thomasdelbeke> Should I ask on another channel?
[16:08] <thomasdelbeke> Anyway
[16:08] <thomasdelbeke> I think it is the same bug
[16:08] <thomasdelbeke> So I should change the title?
[16:09] <thomasdelbeke> Or attach the new gdb report to the old bug report?
[16:09] <thomasdelbeke> You see...
[16:09] <thomasdelbeke> I do not know what these backtraces mean really...
[16:12] <thomasdelbeke> Anyone there still?
[16:12] <BUGabundo> I am
[16:12] <thomasdelbeke> oh
[16:12] <BUGabundo> but I don't have anything to add
[16:12] <thomasdelbeke> sorry
[16:12] <thomasdelbeke> So I just leave it as it is then?
[16:13] <thomasdelbeke> anyway, see you later then
[16:13] <thomasdelbeke> bye
[17:37] <BUGabundo> ogasawara: are you here?
[17:38] <pedro_> BUGabundo: according to her away message she is not around, it's a holiday on the US IIRC
[17:38] <BUGabundo> oh
[17:38] <BUGabundo> anybody else here can help me debug a friends laptop?
[17:38] <BUGabundo> wired card buggy
[17:38] <BUGabundo> prob Linux support
[17:39] <BUGabundo> its a SYS based laptop
[17:39] <pedro_> try asking on #ubuntu-kernel , they might know how to debug such issues
[17:39] <BUGabundo> thanks pedro_
[17:39] <pedro_> you're welcome
[20:33] <joumetal> hi. any opinions about right package to bug 325121 ?
[20:42] <petski> joumetal: could be a duplicate of 296710
[20:53] <joumetal> petski: maybe but in 296710 boot doesn't freeze.
[20:58] <petski> there's a lot of information in 296710 that could be helpful for 325121
[22:40] <porthose> Would Bug #227631 be a SRU candidate? or should I just set the bug to "fix released" as the current jaunty version has been updated to imagemagick-7:<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg1-1ubuntu3?
[22:42] <persia> porthose, It's worth marking it Fix Released if it's fixed in Jaunty, even if it is an SRU candidate.
[22:42] <persia> If you think it meets the SRU criteria, nominate it for affected releases.
[22:42] <porthose> persia: ok will do that thx :)
[22:43] <persia> porthose, More generally, all bugs should initially be considered bugs in the current development release, and if fixed there, marked Fix Released.  Where they are important to fix in other releases, they are nominated, but this is significantly less common.
[22:44] <persia> (yes, this means there are about 5,000 bugs that should be marked Fixed)
[22:45] <porthose> hahaha thanks persia
[23:07] <iflema> ;)\
[23:12] <iflema> whats the release date on 9.04
[23:13] <persia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[23:13] <iflema> ta
[23:15] <iflema> nice work by the way


[00:28] <motoma> Hi everyone. I'm trying to setup UO with an existing account on 10.04 desktop. Following along the instructions listed on the site( https://one.ubuntu.com/support/installation/ ), on step 1, when I click on "Ubuntu One..." I get a preferences dialog, but I see no way to connect to my existing account. What am I missing?
[00:32] <kermiac> Hi motoma. That is a known problem. Please see http://bit.ly/caHbOf
[00:35] <motoma> Excellent, thank you.
[05:55] <geekilized> honk
[05:56] <duanedesign> hello geekilized
[05:57] <geekilized> hey
[05:58] <geekilized> i bought a song a couple hours ago and it isn't downloading nor is it in the ubuntu one online UI
[06:02] <geekilized> i am constantly getting "there was an error completing the download, try again" message
[06:10] <duanedesign> geekilized: are their any 'strange' characters in the song title ?
[06:11] <geekilized> not really there are a few parentheses
[06:11] <duanedesign> did you purchase two songs with the same title (like a remix)
[06:12] <geekilized> and a few numbers it's actually the official world cup song by shakira and no i havent bought two songs with same title
[06:15] <geekilized> any idea why this is happening?
[06:16] <duanedesign> geekilized: unfortunately no. The person you want to talk to is not on right now. Most the support staff is on between 13:00-21:00 gmt
[06:18] <duanedesign> geekilized: if you want you can PM me your details. Artist, Song, and email address. I can pass that along to alecu in the morning.
[06:19] <duanedesign> or you can pop back in here tommorrow between 13:00 - 21:00 gmt and ping alecu or rye
[07:52] <mokul> hi
[07:52] <mokul> anyone used gmail chat in ubuntu
[07:52] <mokul> ?
[08:45] <rye> hello all
[09:44] <pommes> Hello
[10:03] <popey> honk!
[10:03] <rye> popey, honk-response
[10:04] <popey> OOPS-ID-1622appserver57085
[10:04] <ubot4> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=ID
[10:04] <popey> I am getting that when deleting notes
[10:04] <rye> popey, happened on? /notes/, ok
[10:05] <rye> popey, please wait, syncing logs
[10:06] <pommes> quit
[10:07] <rye> grrr, lost pommes :(
[10:14] <rye> popey, this happens when you sync tomboy, right?
[10:25] <popey> no, it happens via the web interface, deleting a note
[10:27] <rye> popey, o_O
[10:28] <popey> i have tried deleting the note in tomboy then doing a sync
[10:28] <popey> it comes back
[10:28] <popey> they seem 'sticky'
[10:28] <popey> ok, something that might be useful to you.. they are all 'conflicted' notes.. so the name is (for example)
[10:29] <popey> 28af5b7e-6984-4a90-8e72-336561d7bdf6%20(hactar%27s%20conflicted%20copy%202010-01-08)
[10:29] <rye> popey, hm, couchdb returns server error while trying to do anything with this note
[10:30] <popey> it looks inconsistent in some way, in that it's been deleted, but it hasn't
[10:30] <popey> there's four of them
[10:30] <popey> 23e0f6bb-3d1b-436b-bdbc-9d656b217bb7%20(hactar%27s%20conflicted%20copy%202010-01-10)
[10:30] <popey> 6de0887e-8f0e-448f-9503-cffb0c34f45c%20(hactar's%20conflicted%20copy%202010-01-10)
[10:31] <popey> 29fb5144-83d5-4e26-bd4c-85178f80e347%20(hactar's%20conflicted%20copy%202010-01-08)
[10:31] <popey> interesting that they're all conflicted
[10:31] <rye> popey, first of all, i don't really think that tomboy can use such kind of "uuids"
[10:31] <popey> yeah, it can
[10:32] <popey> it's what tomboy does when you get conflicts, say I edit a note at home and at work, then sync both machines
[10:32] <popey> that happens
[10:33] <rye> popey, so it changes uuids, not title?... hm
[10:33] <popey> both
[10:33] <popey> oh, actually, maybe not
[10:33] <popey> i cant test it to tell right now
[10:34] <rye> popey, it would be great if you could test that
[10:35] <popey> ah hang on
[10:35] <popey> my mistake!
[10:35] <popey> those are left over from when I was using dropbox to do file sync, sorry for leading you down the wrong path
[10:36] <popey> but I still can't delete those notes :)
[10:36] <rye> popey, phew, but yes, not being able to remove these notes is strange
[10:37] <popey> if you have some low level tool to do it, I'm happy for you to bin the notes
[10:37] <rye> popey, what happens when you navigate to /notes/ then click on that note ?
[10:37] <popey> OOPS-ID-1622appserver61098
[10:37] <ubot4> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=ID
[10:38] <popey> that
[10:39] <rye> popey, so it is not on _removal_ it is on viewing/editing as well, right?
[10:40] <popey> right now, just clicking the note
[10:40] <rye> popey, ok, this is better, let me create such type of error locally
[10:54] <BlackZ> hey popey ;)
[10:55] <popey> Greetings!
[10:55] <BlackZ> popey: how're you doing?
[10:55] <popey> oookay
[10:56] <BlackZ> oh, nice :)
[10:59] <BlackZ> rye: could you check bug #549167 ? it seems old and seems the patch isn't anymore necessary
[10:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 549167 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) "Services tab options alignment (affects: 1) (heat: 47)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/549167
[11:02] <rye> BlackZ, hm, I believe we'll need jonlea's response on this. Music Download checkbox actually modified File Synchronization UDF list so it looks like a part of File sync from programmer's perspective, but that is not tha obvious for the user
[11:02] <BlackZ> rye: yeah, but I think the patch is no longer necessary since I modified the "old" code
[11:02] <BlackZ> I'm sure it's changed now
[11:06] <rye> BlackZ, it may be still valid patch, but i'd wait for someone from desktop+ team to wake up and provide some input on this
[11:08] <BlackZ> rye: I'd too also if I'm not really sure about the bug (is that correct because of the design?)
[11:09] <rye> BlackZ, that's what I  actually want to ask desktop+ team, it looks weird but it is logical, if one knows how it works, otherwise it does not look good
[11:09] <BlackZ> rye: but this could solve some translations incosistence, as Milo said in the bug report
[11:10] <BlackZ> BTW we need an input from the desktop+ team, yes
[11:11] <dazza_> hey
[11:12] <dazza_> is there a non linux application so I can access / mount my ONE folders from my work XP pc???
[11:12] <dazza_> without a browser
[11:14] <BlackZ> dazza_: I don't think there's a non-linux application. You can use your browser on windows and go to one.ubuntu.com
[11:15] <directhex> alecu, yes, it did. ta.
[11:18] <dazza_> BlackZ - looks like thay are developing it
[11:18] <dazza_> http://www.geek.com/articles/news/ubuntu-one-cloud-storage-coming-to-windows-20100125/
[11:18] <dazza_> and
[11:18] <dazza_> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/01/ubuntuone-being-ported-to-windows.html
[11:18] <dazza_> cool
[11:19] <BlackZ> dazza_: yeah, still working on it
[11:21] <dazza_> at least it is in the pipeline - which is great - means I can keep my configs in one spot = gold
[11:30] <duanedesign> good morning
[11:36] <rye> duanedesign, hello! Have you seen magicicada?
[11:39] <rye> duanedesign, lp:magicicada by facundo and natalia
[11:42] <duanedesign> rye: oh wow! i had not seen that
[11:47] <duanedesign> rye: i have been trying to add logging to stipple. Never used the logging module so it is a bit of a learning curve to get good logs.
[12:21] <duanedesign> the link on the Ubuntu One wiki for 'Tutorials' is broken.
[12:22] <duanedesign> does anyone know where that should be linked to, or what is going on with that?
[12:24] <wgrant> What's going on with bug #590540?
[12:24] <ubot4> wgrant: Bug 590540 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/590540 is private
[12:27] <wgrant> It makes me even sadder than that other bug which has been sitting around for far too long.
[12:38] <rye> jdobrien, ping
[12:38] <rye> jdobrien, question - can bug 590540 first be fixed on the server-side that will prohibit such things from happening first and then adjust the client?
[12:39] <ubot4> rye: Bug 590540 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/590540 is private
[12:40] <jdobrien> rye, probably :)
[12:40] <rye> jdobrien, well, since it does not require any support from client why can't we block such attempts at the server first to prevent this from happening and only then try to get updates into the client
[12:52] <wgrant> rye: There is the second external issue which can't too easily be stopped server-side.
[12:52] <rye> wgrant, SSO ?
[12:53] <wgrant> Right. I guess it could be worked around on the server, but it really needs to go on both.
[12:53] <wgrant> But this probably shouldn't be discussed here; it's just the only place I can poke, and I need to poke since otherwise you guys ignore critical bugs for months.
[12:53] <facundobatista> Good morning all!
[12:53] <facundobatista> rye, duanedesign, remember you can easily install Magicicada's PPA by doing: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:chicharreros/ppa
[12:54] <rye> wgrant, the share offers are created on the server side, so this is where the client submits info about new share offer / when claiming the share. It is all server-side and it should be fixed there
[13:16] <wgrant> rye, jdobrien: So, is it going to get fixed this decade?
[13:25]  * beuno hugs wgrant
[13:26] <beuno> be nice to developers!
[13:26] <beuno> and yes, we're working on fixing these issues
[13:26] <beuno> thanks for raising them
[13:26] <wgrant> I am more likely to be nice to developers if they don't appear to be ignoring critical security bugs again :)
[13:27] <beuno> wgrant, you know we have all these secret channels where we discuss things
[13:27] <beuno> it's not being ignored
[13:28] <wgrant> OK. Good. I just didn't know it wasn't going the way of the other one that has been sitting around for three months.
[13:28] <wgrant> Sorry.
[13:29] <beuno> the CSRF one?
[13:29] <wgrant> ...
[13:30] <beuno> you're forgetting to be nice again
[13:31] <wgrant> Well, I just thought it was slightly odd behaviour to disclose details of security vulnerabilities in a public channel.
[13:33] <beuno> ok, facepalm aside, I have a fix for that in the pipeline
[13:33] <wgrant> Heh.
[13:33] <wgrant> Great.
[14:44] <rye_> desktop+ - could somebody please have a look at bug 549167 ?
[14:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 549167 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) "Services tab options alignment (affects: 1) (heat: 47)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/549167
[14:49] <daubers> Wooo! Looks like I'll have achieved my major objective for this release at work with a week to spare! Means I can actually sort some niggly bugs next week
[14:51] <daubers> Oops wrong chan, sorry
[14:53] <jblount> :)
[14:57] <duanedesign> thanks facundobatista, was just installing that
[15:00] <duanedesign> alecu: their was a music store customer in here this morning. Had purchased a song and it was not showing up in his online storage. SONG: Waka Waka (This Time for Africa) (The Official 2010 FIFA World Cup (TM) Song) -Shakira
[15:01] <alecu> hi duanedesign. Ok, looking up.
[15:06] <dobey> sounds like a song from the muppets
[15:06] <duanedesign> ha!
[15:06] <dobey> was Animal on drums?
[15:07] <duanedesign> yes
[15:07] <dobey> heh
[15:07] <duanedesign> dobey: drummer for Dr. Teeth and The Electric Mayhem
[15:08] <duanedesign> _\m/
[15:08] <dobey> heh
[15:09] <beuno> wgrant, ping
[15:17] <overclocker> hi, i got this running ubuntuone-preferences: ERROR:ubuntuone-preferences:Invalid request token: ideas?
[15:18] <rye_> overclocker, could you please check what's the status of syncdaaemon - u1sdtool --status ?
[15:20] <overclocker> rye_: http://pastebin.ca/1880427
[15:21] <rye_> overclocker, it is now performing local rescan so it has not yet connected to the server. As per ubuntuone-preferences - could you please check that you see UbuntuOne token for https://ubuntuone.com in seahorse (Applications / Accessories / Passwords and Encryption Keys ) ?
[15:22] <rye_> overclocker, if you do have the token then this is bug #509556
[15:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 509556 in ubuntuone-client "Invalid request token message on authorization (affects: 15) (dups: 1) (heat: 90)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509556
[15:22] <overclocker> rye_: i connect it, but now i get this error: http://pastebin.ca/1880429
[15:23] <overclocker> rye_: i found the token
[15:23] <rye_> overclocker, is this maverick ?
[15:24] <overclocker> rye_: no, lucid
[15:26] <rye_> overclocker, are you running a stock kernel?
[15:26] <rye_> overclocker, basically, filesync works, but couchdb does not want to start
[15:26] <overclocker> rye_: yes, Linux diego-xps 2.6.32-22-generic #36-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 3 19:31:57 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:27] <rye_> o_O am I running 2.6.31-22....
[15:27] <rye_> hmm
[15:28] <rye_> overclocker, could you please pastebin the output of apt-cache policy linux-image-generic  ?
[15:29] <alecu> duanedesign, rye_, I've just found that there was a problem today with 7d servers from 02:32 to 07:48hs (gmt)
[15:29] <overclocker> rye_: http://pastebin.ca/1880431
[15:29] <alecu> duanedesign, it seems that the problem is now solved, so we should ask the user to retry downloading the song from the "my downloads" page in the music store.
[15:30] <rye_> overclocker, i feel a bit strange... duanedesign are you running lucid - could you please check what's the output of apt-cache policy linux-image-generic for you?
[15:30] <duanedesign> alecu: sure thing. Thank you! I got her/his email so ill send him an email with those instructions
[15:31] <alecu> duanedesign, thanks a lot!
[15:34] <rye_> duanedesign, overclocker - please ignore. That's what happens when there are 4 virtual machines with different versions around
[15:34] <rye_> overclocker, ok, so could you please run /usr/lib/desktopcouch/desktopcouch-stop in the terminal and then /usr/lib/desktopcouch/desktopcouch-service
[15:36] <overclocker> rye_: http://pastebin.ca/1880437
[15:37] <rye_> overclocker, is there beam or beam.smp processes running around?
[15:37] <rye_> * are
[15:37] <overclocker> rye_: no
[15:38] <rye_> overclocker, ok, when did that start to happen?
[15:39] <overclocker> rye_: it was ok in 9.10, i did a fresh install of 10.04 and never works
[15:40] <rye_> overclocker, ok, could you please pastebin ~/.cache/desktop-couch/desktop-couchdb.* ?
[15:43] <overclocker> rye_: http://pastebin.ca/1880440
[15:44] <rye_> overclocker, do you have any extra entries in /etc/hosts ?
[15:57] <overclocker> rye_: no
[16:02] <rye_> CardinalFang, hi, i am a bit at loss about how to proceed with debugging the issue overclocker reported - couchdb does not start properly - http://pastebin.ca/1880437 -> http://pastebin.ca/1880440
[16:41] <duanedesign> facundobatista: after installing from PPA i get an ImportError trying to run. So i tried installing with setup.py and got: file magicicada.py (for module magicicada) not found
[16:47] <overclocker> rye_: do i return tomorrow early?, create a bug?
[16:54] <rye_> overclocker, you can file a bug with ubuntu-bug desktopcouch describing the issue because this is really non-standard behavior. Additionally you might want to move ~/.config/desktop-couch/desktop-couch.ini to some other place and try starting the service again
[17:36] <facundobatista> duanedesign, there's no magicicada.py at all
[17:36] <facundobatista> duanedesign, it's a package, not a module
[17:36] <facundobatista> duanedesign, installing through apt-get *should* work, we tried it with some people already...
[17:51] <duanedesign> facundobatista: thanks. I got it. Not sure what i managed to do :)
[17:52] <TankJr> Any1 having problems with the music store ?
[17:52] <duanedesign> TankJr: what seems to be your problem?
[17:52] <TankJr> I bought 1 album but it is not being transferred to my cloud
[17:53] <TankJr> says 'could not download track, plz try agin ' or sumthng similar
[17:54] <TankJr> is this affecting any 1 else?
[17:58] <duanedesign> TankJr: is this a song you just purchased? I know there was an issue with 7d servers from 2-8:00gmt aprox.
[17:59] <duanedesign> but thats been resolved for 8 or 9 hours
[18:17] <pmjdebruijn> lo
[18:18] <pmjdebruijn> I bought a few tracks through the store
[18:18] <pmjdebruijn> but the metadata is horrible at best
[18:19] <pmjdebruijn> can I edit the files in .ubuntuone without them being synced back to originals?
[18:22] <rye_> pmjdebruijn, the updated files will be synced back, this is two-way syncing. Unless you take the files out of .ubuntuone but then they were not be available online as well
[18:23] <pmjdebruijn> rye_: so my changes will be synced to all other machines then
[18:23] <rye_> pmjdebruijn, yes, the changes you make in these files will be synced to the server and then to all the subscribed machines
[18:24] <pmjdebruijn> ok
[18:24] <pmjdebruijn> rye_: I'm assuming metadata in general won't be streamlines in the shop? will it?
[18:24] <pmjdebruijn> rye_: it's really terrible
[18:25] <pmjdebruijn> but hey I can fix it myself, so I'm hapy
[18:26] <pmjdebruijn> happy*
[18:32] <rye_> pmjdebruijn, no, once the files are downloaded to your storage they are not connected to the shop
[18:33] <rye_> pmjdebruijn, I specifically asked the team whether i can sell music simply by putting it to ubuntuone folder :)
[18:33] <pmjdebruijn> hihi
[18:33] <pmjdebruijn> or haha in english :)
[18:34] <pmjdebruijn> rye_: though that's covered in the FAQ
[19:10] <duanedesign> some positive feedback on the forums.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1506366
[19:12] <rye_> regarding music downloads - the script to release stuck songs has been run
[19:12] <rye_> ran ?
[19:21] <EspenBe> after two weeks I still can not sync my files from Ubuntu One
[19:23] <redlib> Reding the FAQ actully rased a question.
[19:24] <redlib> If Your Home is encrypted, howe do You sync files with other computers (or publish files)?
[19:26] <kklimonda> redlib: you decrypt it when you log in so ubuntuone has an access to (and syncs) unencrypted files
[19:27] <redlib> Yes, but FAQ says Ubuntu1 stores the enkrypted content if Your home i encrypted (FAQ, files, Q8)
[19:29] <redlib> I'm thinking about hack like mounting an unenkrypted directory inside home... but I'm not sure it work right ether with enkryption or ubuntu1
[19:33] <kklimonda> interesting, it wasn't possible to sync encrypted content just a month or two ago.. everything changes :)
[19:33] <kklimonda> redlib: you should honk for developers to get their attention then, they are probably the only people who can help you with it
[19:33] <rye_> redlib, hi
[19:35] <rye_> redlib, encryption is protecting your files when you are not logged in. Once you are logged in then your encrypted directory is mounted and all applications running on top of that system gain access to the unencrypted data.
[19:36] <rye_> redlib, i tried syncing .Private directory but this is not reliable - the events for file modification get lost and synchronization is not happening completely
[19:36] <redlib> Thanks... But the ubunt1 FAQ indikate different.... and if ubunt1 hook in to low level disc io that make sens....
[19:38] <redlib> OK, thanks again.... Guess i have to experiment too.... but my encrypted machin is att work and the other home so it be some latetency :-)
[19:38] <alecu> rye_, duanedesign, mattgriffin: the songs that had problems being retrieved from 7digital this morning were retried by the script.
[19:39] <alecu> all those songs should be fixed by now.
[19:39] <rye_> redlib, if you put an encrypted file to Ubuntu One directory then it will be sent as is to the server
[19:40] <rye_> redlib, Ubuntu One does not do more than encrypting the traffic between client and server
[19:47] <trofimca> yo
[19:48] <trofimca> here osmeown ?
[20:22] <jbrett> honk:  Are there any known problems with the notes sync server right now?  I don't see anything on the status page, but I'm getting "[ERROR 13:19:44.172] Synchronization failed with the following exception: The remote server returned an error: (500) INTERNAL SERVER ERROR." from tomboy --debug when I try to sync.
[20:23]  * jbrett is wondering if he should file a bug or not.
[20:23] <rye_> jbrett, hi, checking
[20:23] <jbrett> same result when I click on the "notes" tab on the web UI.
[20:23] <rye_> jbrett, what is displayed on /dashboard/ - does it tell you that the db is down ?
[20:24] <jbrett> oh, yep it does.
[20:24] <jbrett> "Our Notes, Contacts and Bookmarks database is not responding at the moment..."
[20:24] <jbrett> duh, sorry for the interrupt :)
[20:27] <rye_> jbrett, the admins are looking into this right now
[20:27] <jbrett> rye_: thanks :)
[20:27] <rye_> jbrett, i will notify you once it is confirmed to be up
[20:27] <jbrett> ok, thx again :)
[20:35] <rye_> jbrett, ping, could you please check whether it is working for you now?
[20:38] <jbrett> rye_: works great now, thx!
[21:30] <rye_> kenvandine, from ubuntuone.storageprotocol.hash import  - was that filed as a bug?
[21:31] <kenvandine> yes
[21:31] <kenvandine> one sec
[21:31] <kenvandine> rye_, http://launchpad.net/bugs/592260
[21:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 592260 in ubuntuone-client "ubuntuone-syncdaemon crashed with ImportError in <module>() (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[21:31] <kenvandine> rye_, someone else filed it
[21:32] <rye_> kenvandine, thanks!
[21:44] <rye_> dobey, could you please tell what python-ubuntuone-storageprotocol version should be used with maverick client
[21:47] <dobey> 1.3
[21:48] <dobey> ok
[21:48] <rye_> dobey, i have python-ubuntuone-storageprotocol 1.3.0-0ubuntu1 and it still says No module named hash
[21:48] <dobey> yes
[21:48] <dobey> bcuase your client is old still
[21:48] <dobey> it's pending publication to the archive i think
[21:49] <rye_> dobey, ubuntuone-client = 1.2.1-0ubuntu2
[21:49] <dobey> yes
[21:50] <rye_> dobey, it should be 1.3-something instead ?
[21:52] <dobey> it should be 1.3.0-0ubuntu1 also, but as i said, that build is still pending publication to the archive
[21:52] <rye_> geekilized, ^
[21:53] <geekilized> thanks rye and dobey and everyone i'll keep checking
[22:02] <geekilized> thanks everyone. have a good one
[23:49] <wgrant> beuno: Sorry, around now.
[23:54] <beuno> wgrant, can you add some steps on how youu triggered the bug to the report?
[23:55] <wgrant> beuno: #590540?
[23:55] <beuno> wgrant, no, #535651