[00:04] <vorlon> xnox: there's no point trying to interpret the kpi graphs, I've only just finished reloading the queues so we don't have slope
[00:04] <vorlon> (and prior to the reload, we had a very angry rabbit)
[00:09]  * vorlon squints at https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.csv thinking there are fewer total packages in -proposed than https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output_notest.txt lists as candidates
[00:10] <vorlon> and a look at impish-proposed Sources shows 698 source packages, not the 211 reported by update_excuses.csv, so... yay?
[00:14] <vorlon> oh, apparently this report doesn't notice packages that are 'Waiting for test results' instead of 'BLOCKED', hah
[00:33] <vorlon> slyon: is snapd autopkgtest flaky on ppc64el? I see it passed 1 out of 4 times for systemd/248.3-1ubuntu7, is now failing again for systemd/248.3-1ubuntu8; and autopkgtest queues are long so if it's flaky we're much better off hinting it than trying to get a successful test run
[02:04] <vorlon> xnox: so yes, with a couple of data points it looks like the largest queue will not drain until early Tuesday
[10:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-shell-extension-shortcuts (impish-proposed/universe) [1.2.0-1 => 1.2.1-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[10:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-shell-extension-shortcuts [sync] (impish-proposed) [1.2.1-1]
[13:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ukui-media (impish-proposed/universe) [3.0.3-1 => <IP_ADDRESS>-1] (ubuntukylin) (sync)
[23:50] <Eickmeyer> Release team: We're going to have a last-minute fix for studio-controls. A tester pointed out a bug that needs to be fixed on our image.
[23:50] <Eickmeyer> I'll have an upload within 24 hours.


[00:55] <Ttech> Where are all the ubicon videos going?
[02:44] <pleia2> scale was awesome \o/
[02:44] <pleia2> hi Ttech :)
[02:44] <pleia2> once they're processed and stuff there will be links on ubucon.org probably
[02:45] <Ttech> hi pleia2
[02:45] <Ttech> pleia2, I hope so. :)
[02:45] <Ttech> pleia2, I wasn't able to stay for the raffle. How many people actually showed up?
[02:45] <pleia2> more than we had prizes!
[02:45] <pleia2> was a lively raffle :)
[02:45] <Ttech> Aww. :(
[02:46] <Ttech> pleia2, I stand by what I said. It looked more like a bookstore then ubuntu group
[02:46] <Ttech> :)
[02:46] <pleia2> hehe
[02:48]  * pleia2 lurks at the airport
[02:48] <Ttech> Aw.
[02:48] <Ttech> pleia2, LAX?
[02:48] <pleia2> yeah
[02:48] <Ttech> mhm.
[02:48] <Ttech> hopefully no delays? There is that storm coming.
[02:49] <pleia2> no delays for me so far
[02:49] <pleia2> boarding in about a half hour
[02:49] <Ttech> oh nice.  ~45 minute flight, 20~ deplane!
[02:51] <Ttech> pleia2, You did the presentations on the ubuntu in education and the opening one right?
[03:06] <pleia2> Ttech: I did the first talk of ubucon, and at scale on saturday morning I did an education one
[03:06] <pleia2> hanging out with eps :)
[03:59] <Ttech> pleia2, yeah, I was there. I always had a camera with me mostly.
[04:03] <bkerensa> I converted another Windows user to Ubuntu
[04:03] <bkerensa> :D
[04:03] <Ttech> Shame, those windows user are always so much fun to watch having broken computers.
[04:03] <bkerensa> ;0
[04:04] <Ttech> philipballew, FRIDAY FRIDAY GOTTA GET... oh forget it.
[04:04] <philipballew> that song was a good buissness song
[04:04] <philipballew> and its not my fault i know how boogie
[04:05]  * Ttech facepalms
[04:05] <bkerensa> philipballew: Are you at Scale?
[04:05] <Ttech> That was a party. ^.^
[04:05] <philipballew> bkerensa, just got back 20 minutes ago
[04:05] <philipballew> its 2 hours away from me
[04:05] <Ttech> bkerensa, scale endedish I think at this point.
[04:05]  * bkerensa is trying to get some photos and perhaps video from Scale for OMG! Ubuntu! and perhaps some insider info on anything Ubuntu related that occurred
[04:05] <Ttech> I left ~6 hours ago.
[04:05] <Ttech> bkerensa, I have photos I took.
[04:06] <bkerensa> maybe I could interview nhaines to see how to Ubucon went there
[04:06] <Ttech> heh
[04:07] <Ttech> It was pretty nice with ubicon, the microphones never worked quite right, and everyone always had to 'project'
[04:07] <philipballew> bkerensa, I can help with that if youd need or like?
[04:07] <bkerensa> philipballew: So is California roadtriping up for OSCON? (Largest Open Source event in the U.S.) ? :)
[04:07] <Ttech> oh I'd be down for that. even if I'm not a member.
[04:07] <bkerensa> philipballew: Sure, I can e-mail you some questions and such
[04:07] <philipballew> I will be there yes, Ill try to see if i can get others from the bay to all carpool for the heck of it
[04:08] <bkerensa> you are coming up?
[04:08] <bkerensa> MarkDude comes up
[04:08] <philipballew> bkerensa, go for it. its my nick at ubuntu dot com
[04:08] <bkerensa> Redhat pays him to come up :P
[04:08] <philipballew> ill be there
[04:08] <philipballew> probably bum a ride like always
[04:08] <bkerensa> wait.... were you at OSCON last year?
[04:09] <philipballew> no, had summer school :(
[04:09] <bkerensa> oh ok was going to say :D
[04:09] <Ttech> when is OSCON, its june isn't it?
[04:09] <bkerensa> yeah
[04:09] <philipballew> july
[04:09] <Ttech> oh.
[04:09] <philipballew> I thinkl?
[04:09]  * bkerensa is having issues getting O'Reilly to give us greenlight on our booth
[04:09] <Ttech> damn it. :/
[04:09] <philipballew> how so?
[04:10] <bkerensa> well they do applications last minute
[04:10] <bkerensa> and if they were to decline us
[04:10] <bkerensa> well it would waste money and time on a lot of people
[04:10] <bkerensa> and last year it was so last minute we didnt even have time to request a conf kit
[04:10] <philipballew> how much would it cost me bk to go bkerensa
[04:11] <bkerensa> philipballew: Well if we have a booth it would cost you nothing because they pretty much give us unlimited conf passes
[04:11] <bkerensa> :D
[04:11] <bkerensa> I think last year I asked for like 7-8
[04:11] <Ttech> hook me up bkerensa. ;)
[04:11] <philipballew> That seems like a good plan. I can speak about why Ubuntu is awesome to all
[04:11] <Ttech> philipballew, That was an awesome presentation you did this time.
[04:11] <bkerensa> These will get you into almost everything and for everything else they also give me a stack of these golden passes that will get you into any talk or session
[04:12] <philipballew> Ttech, uhh, maybe
[04:12] <philipballew> bkerensa, Ill be there
[04:12] <bkerensa> cool
[04:12] <bkerensa> Ubuntu WA LoCo comes down too
[04:12] <bkerensa> :D
[04:12] <Ttech> I assume I would need to be a Ubuntu member to get these cool golden passes.
[04:12] <philipballew> a loco member
[04:13] <bkerensa> Yeah
[04:13] <Ttech> Gotcha.
[04:13] <bkerensa> You would need to be a member of a loco who contacts me or Ubuntu WA
[04:14]  * bkerensa wonders if Jono will do a talk again this year.... His keynote last year was nice although the slides from his keynote he also presented at CLS the weekend before :P
[04:17] <Ttech> Now that I have actually met some of you, I'll look into becoming a loco member.
[06:06] <raevol> womp womp scale over
[14:42] <Xourii> Hello everyone
[19:09] <philipballew> did you make it home safely pleia2 ?
[19:12] <pleia2> philipballew: eventually :)
[19:12] <pleia2> you?
[19:13] <philipballew> Yeah, no traffic whatsoever.
[19:13] <philipballew> Im missing a power adapter stilol so im gonna mail thee list and see who has it, maybe ill do that today.
[19:14] <philipballew> unless its berried in a bag somewhere with the tshirts pleia2
[19:15] <pleia2> haha
[19:15] <pleia2> I didn't see anything left at the booth, I put all misc stuff at the booth in one of the boxes you and Darkwing took
[19:18] <philipballew> yeah, i think he has it, but if not i have an extra adapter. Its just for my backup router
[19:18]  * philipballew thinks everyone needs a backup router
[19:19] <philipballew> lol
[20:21] <kdub_> i missed out on scale, eh?
[21:04] <pleia2> kdub_: yeah, was this past weekend
[21:24] <pleia2> aha, I figured out why our twitter posts were being duplicated - identi.ca's x-posting randomly works sometimes now
[21:25] <pleia2> I've disconnected it, posterous sends to everything
[21:30] <bkerensa> pleia2: I assume California's 11.10 supply is tapped?
[21:31] <bkerensa> for printed anyways
[21:34] <pleia2> I sent them all over the state so some of the ubuntu hours may have a couple
[21:34] <pleia2> but as far as central distribution, yeah
[21:35] <bkerensa> oh ok
[21:38] <bkerensa> pleia2: Well we have a talk coming up next month at Yahoo and I'm wondering if it might be possible to reach out to Jono or someone for a small dose of some printed CD's even though not a conf still good marketing op
[21:38] <pleia2><EMAIL_ADDRESS>:)
[21:38] <bkerensa> k
[21:39] <pleia2> it's easier with conferences since they have a process set up to request packs even for teams that aren't approved yet
[21:39] <pleia2> tricky for small events
[21:39] <pleia2> or talks
[21:46] <bkerensa> pleia2: Yeah well I have invited some Canonical folk to come and talk Enterprise at the series
[21:46] <pleia2> they might be able to bring stuff too
[21:47] <bkerensa> that would be awesome
[21:47] <bkerensa> well
[21:47] <bkerensa> I actually do not think any of the Canonical folks locally have any CD's they are all engineers or developers :P
[21:47] <pleia2> I don't understand
[21:48] <pleia2> does the internal process at canonical restrict who in the company can request CDs by department?
[21:48] <pleia2> (I don't know how that all works, I assumed anyone in the company could get CDs)
[22:04] <jledbetter> bkerensa: We have some CDs (Mountain View UH)
[22:58] <paulproteus> wiretapped: Good seeing you at Noisebridge last week!
[22:59] <paulproteus> If any of you folks are interested in moving into a 4br with me and others in the Mission, do ping me (:
[23:12] <philipballew>  do you think its possible to download ubuntu documentaion and view ofline, still making all links work
[23:14] <Ttech> humm.
[23:14] <Ttech> philipballew, httptrack or what ever that program is called can
[23:15] <Ttech> philipballew, http://www.httrack.com/ this guy
[23:15] <philipballew> hum, is that different then wget
[23:15] <Ttech> oh yea
[23:15] <Ttech> I mean it might use wget or curl backend
[23:15] <Ttech> but it is a site archiver.
[23:16] <Ttech> Also, I finished uploading all the pictures from SCALE10x
[23:17] <philipballew> link Ttech ?
[23:21] <bkerensa> jledbetter: Oh thanks for offer I got Jono to sort it out :)
[23:22] <Corey> Ttech!
[23:22] <Ttech> Corey!
[23:23] <Ttech> Ag.
[23:23] <Ttech> philipballew, Hold on a second, getting terrible lag.
[23:23] <philipballew> no worries!!!
[23:23] <Ttech> Corey! I didn't know you were here
[23:23] <Corey> Imagine that!
[23:23] <Ttech> Corey, I'd would have figured you would be still at the exhibit hall.
[23:23] <Ttech> :)
[23:24] <Corey> Ttech: I'm in San Francisco.
[23:24] <Ttech> :o
[23:24] <Corey> Went for beer.    It's because I'm on my laptop keyboard. :-(
[23:26] <Ttech> Corey, I thought you were in the LA area normally?
[23:27] <Corey> Ttech: Indeed, I live 5 miles from the convention hall.
[23:27] <Ttech> mmm I thought you were close.
[23:27] <Corey> Ttech: But a couple weeks a month I make expense reports not suck at expensify.com
[23:28] <Ttech> :o
[23:28]  * philipballew waits for link
[23:28] <Ttech> Corey, You sound like an advertisement.
[23:28] <Ttech> vhttps://picasaweb.google.com/102399332305331506712/SCALE10x
[23:28] <Ttech> https://picasaweb.google.com/102399332305331506712/SCALE10x even
[23:28] <Ttech> Does that work?
[23:28] <philipballew> that page was not found
[23:29] <Ttech> https://picasaweb.google.com/102399332305331506712/SCALE10x?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCOyOnr_ljeOzNg&feat=directlink
[23:30] <Corey> Ttech: No pictures of Salt/
[23:30] <Corey> ?
[23:30] <Ttech> Corey, I didn't have my camera yesterday. :(
[23:30] <Corey> I didn't have my radio, so it happens.
[23:31] <Ttech> haha thats true.
[23:31] <Corey> Ttech: When I'm back home we might be able to hit the same repeaternet, depending.
[23:31] <Ttech> Corey, can probably hit the same repeater now. I use WIN
[23:31] <Corey> I don't have my radio up here.  TSA and anything more technically complicated than a flashlight means... problems.
[23:32] <Ttech> Corey, Really? I put my radio in my backpack and they sent it though just fine.
[23:32] <Corey> Ttech: Yes, but you don't generally pick a fight with them out of principle I'd imagine.
[23:32] <Ttech> yeah. I don't.
[23:32] <Ttech> Its easier if you just let them do their thing unless you want to be on the DNF list.
[23:33] <Ttech> added a few more photos including tux, but I got a few panoramas to stitch
[23:33] <akk> I had a box of arduino stuff with me last time I flew. But I was fairly nervous about it.
[23:33] <akk> They didn't hassle me, fortunately.
[23:35] <Ttech> oh pretty nice!
[23:35] <Corey> Ttech: Funny story about that.
[23:36]  * Ttech listens
[23:36] <Corey> Ttech: If you fly enough (and I do) the airlines don't like it when you're on the DNF list, according to rumor.
[23:36] <Ttech> No they don't.
[23:36] <Ttech> Because you have a special system to get screened
[23:37] <Ttech> But I have not actually been on the list, and I don't really care to be.
[23:39]  * Ttech wonders if Corey is secretly saying he's on the dnf list.
[23:39] <Ttech> :)
[23:40] <Ttech> (joking on that one)
[23:41] <Corey> No, no.
[23:41] <Corey> I'm not that offensive.
[23:43] <Ttech> haah


[17:10] <Eickmeyer> Is it normal for a build of a meta to take 28 minutes to upload? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-meta/0.218/+build/19288022
[17:13] <Eickmeyer> (I see twom is the contact, but don't see them)
[17:14] <Eickmeyer> cjwatson, wgrant ^
[17:17] <Eickmeyer> Looks like it uploaded. :)
[17:24] <cjwatson> That uploader is serial, so it can easily get backed up behind other large uploads
[17:24] <cjwatson> Like some firefox and kernel uploads in this case
[17:25] <cjwatson> At some point we'll probably need to work out how to parallelise it safely
[17:25] <cjwatson> tomwardill probably needs to remember to use his freenode nick here :)
[17:26] <tomwardill> erk, whoops, sorry!


[00:21] <courrier> I'd like to monitor my home Internet connection to produce nice graphics showing permanent disconnections and show my ISP they are a**holes
[00:21] <courrier> Do you know any nice tool that could do the job in 1 breath?
[00:23] <sha255> I am not sure what is up with the current 18.04 installer but it keeps failing to install on a fresh drive with an encrypted volume. Is this a known issue?
[00:23] <sha255> It produces the error: Configuration of encrypted volumes failed. An error occured while configuring encrypted volumes.
[00:26] <sha255> Ah apparently the installer is confused when there are existing luks devices and lvm volumes on the disk
[00:35] <lotuspsychje> courrier: wireshark can monitor packets if you like
[00:35] <lotuspsychje> !lvm | sha255 start here mate
[00:39] <courrier> lotuspsychje: and output graphics? Yeah, but I'd to avoid doing measurements by hand, some simple UI outputing plots of ping time would be perfect
[00:39] <courrier> I could even be a web app actually
[00:39] <courrier> client side
[00:42] <lotuspsychje> courrier: http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/best-network-monitoring-tools-for-linux pick one here
[00:49] <Hell-Razor> Hey fellas. I am looking to install ubuntu on sda and sdb, I have windows on sbc. I know I am going to oerwrite the windows bootloader with grub but not sure how to do it via the installer... Any suggestions / help?
[00:54] <Hell-Razor> Wow, everybody must be asleep, this channel is usually hoppin
[00:58] <lotuspsychje> Hell-Razor: #ubuntu is 24/7 and has different timezones waking up, a little patience is needed at some times
[00:59] <Hell-Razor> Yeah thats fine, more like killing time.
[00:59] <lotuspsychje> !dualboot | Hell-Razor start here mate
[01:02] <Hell-Razor> lotuspsychje: This really doesnt help. I have sda partitioned like I want it but where do I put the bootloader?
[01:04] <sonicwind> Hell-Razor, are you using BIOS/MBR or UEFI/GPT ?
[01:05] <Hell-Razor> uefi
[01:05] <sonicwind> did you make an EFI partition?
[01:05] <sonicwind> or its sharing with Windows
[01:06] <Hell-Razor> I havent made anything yet, only thing is Windows is on one drive, I am putting ubuntu on another
[01:06] <Hell-Razor> I am trying t*
[01:06] <Hell-Razor> to
[01:07] <Hell-Razor> This manual mode is kind of like being stuck halfway between a gui and cli.. Not sure exactly whatits going to ask for at which step.
[01:08] <Hell-Razor> And it looks like theres virtual partitions?
[01:08] <Copenhagen_Bram> Has anyone tried hyperrogue? it segfaults when I hit an enemy with a knife in shoot 'em up mode
[01:09] <sonicwind> I'm no expert, but you need an efi partition to use (either shared with windows, or giving ubuntu its own)... the boot loader then aims at the drive the efi is on. It gets more complicated also if the ubuntu drive is external.
[01:11] <sonicwind> Hell-Razor, I just finished installing 18.04 on an external HD (with Windows on an internal drive)... and with Ubuntu having its own efi partition.
[01:12] <Hell-Razor> This entire setup screen is just throwing me for loops sonicwind. I am in no rush to get this done I am just getting a headache at the over complexity to do a simple thing. Should be able to point the installer do a different disk when selecting "erase disk and install ubuntu" and then have a screen that pops up saying "we found a windows patition"
[01:12] <Hell-Razor> sonicwind My disks are all internal
[01:12] <sonicwind> if you use the Windows efi partition, and Windows crashes, your Ubuntu drive won't work either.
[01:13] <catbeard> don't forget to disable secureboot
[01:13] <sonicwind> I spent a week or two reading stuff before I did my install. So many things involved.
[01:13] <Hell-Razor> Never been a fan of secureboot catbeard
[01:14] <sonicwind> yeah, I disabled secure boot also.
[01:14] <catbeard> it's nice if you can get it to work with any os
[01:14] <catbeard> but there can only be 1
[01:14] <sonicwind> also make sure to turn off fast boot in windows
[01:14] <Hell-Razor> Yeah.. Ubunto wants to point to sdc, fighting it to get it do sda
[01:14] <sonicwind> if you use hibernation
[01:14] <Hell-Razor> I guess I can just nuke windows and reinstall but thats a pain
[01:14] <catbeard> stage3 install gentoo!
[01:15] <Hell-Razor> catalase Thats what I am actually debating lol.  I aimed boot loader question at sdb (no partition specified).
[01:20] <sonicwind> because I was using Ubuntu on an external drive, it required modificaitons to the grub file and its location.
[01:21] <Hell-Razor> Yeah shug.. Gentoo may be right around the corner lol
[01:22] <sonicwind> I think you're going to want a efi partition on your ubuntu drive also. Then just aim the bootloader question at the efi drive. It finds the right partition then.
[01:22] <sonicwind> it has to be fat32, I made mine 512mb, and /boot/efi is the mount point if I remember right.
[01:23] <sonicwind> You should be able to find some articles online that will explain it better than trying to figure it out in IRC imho.
[01:23] <Hell-Razor> kk
[01:24] <Hell-Razor> I read through a couple guides online, nothing really helped but thats alright
[01:24] <Hell-Razor> Ill figure it out eventually
[01:25] <sonicwind> Since you're installing in UEFI, the live media also has to be run from UEFI.
[01:25] <plus2equalsme> I've got a weird problem. 18.04.1 server is seeing an ntfs drive as vfat (ntfs confirmed on windows and debian)
[01:26] <Hell-Razor> Well joooy. I told it sda and it still went to sdc lol. Guess I am reinstlling doze and following the grub recovery guide after
[01:28] <sonicwind> what is sdc on your system?
[01:29] <sonicwind> I disconnected my Windows drive while I installed Ubuntu to make sure it found the right drive and no accidents.
[01:30] <sonicwind> and I did all my partitioning with Gparted rather than the installer.
[01:35] <lotuspsychje> plus2equalsme: try #ubuntu-server mate
[01:36] <plus2equalsme> thanks lotuspsychje
[03:34] <instantp10neer> When I click Telegram links in Chrome on Xubuntu 18.04.1 an xdg-open prompt appears.  Telegram doesn't launch.  Can anyone assist?
[03:42] <canurabus> Hi, I'm trying to install 18.04 on an external hd. The installer presents me with software options regarding installing third-party software that I don't understand. Specifically it gives me the option of installing third party software (graphics and WiFi and codecs). It also gives me the option to "Configure Secure Boot", and a note says "Installing third-party drivers requries configuring Secure Boot"
[03:43] <canurabus> I'm able to select "Install third-party software" without selecting "Configure secure boot"... but why can I avoid selecting the latter if its required?
[03:43] <canurabus> Its not clear at all what "Configure Secure Boot" does
[03:58] <mbnt> Hello, the Wine IRC sent me here. I am trying to locate where directories for Wine might be. I install audio software plugins and some of them need to eb dropped in directories, where how would i locate them? I have Ubuntu 18.04, 64 bits
[04:00] <mbnt> I mean, certain plugins need to be dropped in folders, like VST and such
[04:09] <uboa> hi i'm trying to use tile-extruder but in ubuntu 18 i keep getting /usr/bin/env: ‘node\r’: No such file or directory when i try to use it :o
[04:23] <mmkumr> I am facing many network problem after unistalling Gnome and installing i3 window manager.
[04:28] <tripelb> Q2: help My uguntu went 90 degress rotation. i didnt know it was possible 18.04 and the trackpad is crazy. JUST TELL ME HOW TO GET NORMAL
[04:30] <tripelb> AND omg when I turn it the laptop has a gravity sensor and THE CREEN ROTATES UPSIDE DOWN. What did I do? I was tyoing into the search box in html gmail.
[04:37] <tripelb> help please. the trackpad works at 90deg but not consistent with the image either
[04:39] <arm0red> tripelb, I had that problem on one of my laptops. turn your laptop until the screen is rotated correctly. and click the gnome menu in the top right, and click the "rotation-lock" icon to freeze it's rotation.
[04:40] <arm0red> then when you sit your laptop back right-side up, it will stay. ;)
[04:41] <arm0red> just a temp fix until the bug gets fixed
[04:44] <rnat> How can I convert an ubuntu BIOS installation to UEFI bootable one.
[04:48] <granttrec> whats good for dnla on ubuntu?
[04:49] <arm0red> rnat, you have to boot the live usb as UEFI and install it while running in UEFI. But you can't convert an existing installation to UEFI.
[04:49] <SwedeMike> granttrec: minidlna has been successful for me.
[04:51] <rnat> arm0red: I was tempted to ask this question as I already have a BIOS/GPT installation with protective MBR. Thought that reinstalling grub-efi would fix my problem. Any thoughts on this approach?
[04:51] <granttrec> SwedeMike: thanks
[04:53] <tripelb> I rebooted. Problem: keystrokes made orientation change and auto-rotation 18.04
[04:53] <tripelb> What did I do?
[04:55] <tripelb> This is HOW WELL the ubuntu documentation speaks about it:    You can rotate what you see on your screen by pressing the buttons with the arrows.
[04:55] <tripelb> sounds like Trump.
[04:56] <arm0red> rnat, I don't know a lot about EFI. But just from what I've researched about it to help with my own installations, I found that you have to boot the live-usb in EFI mode in order to install as EFI. And that you can't convert a legacy install to EFI w/o reinstalling.
[04:57] <arm0red> tripelb, did you get it fixed?
[04:58] <AlecTaylor> hi
[04:58] <AlecTaylor> How do I get the `dpkg --get-selections` equivalent for a package I'm installing through `apt install`?
[04:58] <arm0red> you can lock the auto-rotation in the gnome menu in the top right.
[04:59] <arm0red> tripelb, you can lock the auto-rotation in the gnome menu in the top right.
[04:59] <AlecTaylor> Found it: https://serverfault.com/q/407317
[05:05] <tripelb> arm0red, hi. "the gnome menu in the top right ou say.Ah, I got there through ubuntu documentation. BUT there is no rotation listing there. {resolution, refresh, adjust for tv nightlight}  ((I think I may have hit alt backarrow by mistake. I use that as backarrow in a browser.))
[05:08] <tripelb> arm0red, I see from webpages that this has been a problem in past versions 16,17 and is "fully fixed" now. This is a HP laptop I will search more on that.
[05:14] <tripelb> arm0red, ah, I was using system settings, to the right is a quarter-turn box and that is the icon. when I click it a dot (that on closer inspection is a lock) appears in the center. I assume that does it. ---  Now I want to learn to control it if on what keystrokes cause rotation AND what keystrokes will bring it back.  Thanks ... this is for ANYONE actually.
[05:15] <arm0red> tripelb, I was refering to the drop-down menu in the top right of the home screen. there are 4 icons "settings", "rotation lock", "screen lock", and "power"
[05:17] <arm0red> tripelb, I'm glad you found it! I'd like to know how to control it from key strokes as well, lol
[05:39] <tripelb> arm0red, also found that one can do this query in terminal:  gsettings get org.gnome.settings-daemon.peripherals.touchscreen orientation-lock
[05:40] <tripelb> It's late enough so I am quitting for the night arm0red Thank you for help and interaction.
[05:45] <Galactor> hi! what is the terminal command to have a text-gui for managing wifi and networks?
[06:09] <Edisto> what's the deal if I switched from Ubuntu to Kubuntu but my Firepro w8100 stopped working? I see it in lspci. But it's not listed in the xorg.0.log.
[06:09] <Edisto> Are teh kernel's that diffrent from Ubuntu to Kubuntu?
[06:12] <guiver_d> Edisto: if the same version, the 'plumbing' should be the same if comparing Kubuntu & Ubuntu.  The flavors can 'tweak' some bits that can have minor impact on a few devices (but rare in my knowledge), what version?
[06:13] <guiver_d> are you comparing one release of Ubuntu, with a different release of kubuntu?  (by chance) Edisto
[06:36] <uboa> what's the closest thing in terms of apple notes' functionality with images drag and drop attachments basic formatting etc without being overly complicated? zim is... not my favorite. the snap notes app is too simple/doesn't include the attachment features and stuff like that
[07:18] <tripelb> help is it really true that a png isnt recognied as a picture in my pictures folder?  HOW DUMB. How can I change it into a jpg?
[07:20] <brondif> tripelb:imagemagick program
[07:22] <Edisto> guiver_d: using kubuntu 18.04 and was using ubuntu 18.04. Same kernel versions too 4.15.0-33 and 34. I've reinstalled kubuntu about 3 times thinking it was just rocm
[07:23] <Edisto> guiver_d: finally i was able to install amdgpu-pro and I noticed I still had the same problem where my Firepro w8100 was missing
[07:33] <tripelb> I dont get a choice for a background to zoom tile fill screen etc. what happened?
[07:34] <geirha> probably just gnome removing configuration options to make it easier to use for new users
[07:57] <Edisto> sad i realy liked kubuntu
[08:56] <elichai2> Hey, What's the best way to upgrade 16.04 to 18.04? `do-release-upgrade`? using the gui? something else?
[08:57] <SwedeMike> elichai2: both of those methods are supported. Use whichever you prefer.
[09:05] <lotus|NUC> elichai2: update-manager -c
[09:20] <coconut> are "do-release-upgrade" 's only for between LTS'es?
[09:22] <blackflow> coconut: nope, you can go to, between and from  non-LTS releases
[09:22] <blackflow> s/go/do-release-upgrade/
[09:24] <coconut> ah, ok
[09:24] <coconut> thnx
[09:27] <coconut> blackflow: so... that's always to the latest LTS release?
[09:28] <blackflow> coconut: what?
[09:30] <lotus|NUC> coconut: i think you confusing LTS upgrade with release upgrades
[09:32] <lotus|NUC> coconut: what is it you want to know exactly?
[09:34] <coconut> lotus|NUC: i guess i wanted to know the command difference between the two.
[09:37] <lotus|NUC> !upgrade | coconut
[09:38] <weijunli> I have a vm running ubuntu however I don't have the .iso file anymore. My connection is really slow so I'm wondering if it's possible to format/reinstall ubuntu thru the Terminal ?
[09:41] <coconut> :)
[09:46] <guiver_d> weijunli: 64mb is the size of the 18.04 mini iso; you could install packages (if you still have the .debs) using your own source as a repo (after install of a minimal system), but I don't know what you mean by format/reinstall (at the format, you've lost what was there..) - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[10:24] <ppf> any recommendations for a password manager that synchronizes across devices?
[10:57] <vielfarbig> ppf: KeePassX
[10:57] <ducasse> ppf: lastpass worked ok when i last tried it, but i switched to keepassx since it works everywhere i need it to. probably better to ask in #ubuntu-offtopic, though
[10:59] <blackflow> keepassxc the fork tho', keepassx is no longer maintained
[11:01] <ppf> how does it do synchronization?
[11:01] <ppf> i tried it a bit back and i didn't figure that out
[11:01] <lotus|NUC> there's a bitwarden snap too
[11:03] <mamonetti> hi
[11:03] <ducasse> ppf: you need to sort that out yourself
[11:03] <ppf> ducasse: as in, synchronize the database file?
[11:03] <lotus|NUC> mamonetti: welcome, what can we do for you?
[11:03] <ducasse> ppf: yes
[11:04] <ppf> oof
[11:04] <ppf> ducasse: that's probably not gonna cut it then
[11:06] <ducasse> ppf: you can use somethimg like google drive and manually copy the keyfile to your devices
[11:06] <ppf> that's not gonna work
[11:07] <ppf> it's a recipe for merge conflicts
[11:07] <ppf> and for a password manager that's dead on arrival
[11:10] <coconut> ppf: lotus|NUC 's bitwarden does has a sync feature over platforms, though i haven't used it.
[11:17] <ylli_> hello
[11:18] <lotus|NUC> ylel9: : welcome, what can we do for you?
[11:18] <ylel9> lotus|NUC:  you are bot or people
[11:19] <lotus|NUC> ylel9: i am peoples
[11:20] <ylel9> lotus|NUC:  vr
[11:20] <ylel9> very good
[11:20] <ylel9> lotus|NUC: i like ubuntu
[11:21] <lotus|NUC> ylel9: that fine, you can discuss that in #ubuntu-discuss
[11:26] <Duckle> Hey there. I'm having som trouble figuring out how to get a package that's currently on universe-proposed
[11:26] <Duckle> I've added a line for: artful-proposed main restricted multiverse universe (with the deb and url in front) but it doesn't show up on apt-cache policy
[11:26] <Duckle> I have updated
[11:27] <lotus|NUC> Duckle: artful is end of life mate
[11:27] <Duckle> oh
[11:27] <ppf> coconut: interesting! how does it synchronize?
[11:27] <lotus|NUC> Duckle: we advice to install a supported version from the topic
[11:27] <coconut> ppf: i don't know, i guess from inside the app.
[11:28] <Duckle> lotus|NUC: Good poit, I actually thought I had upgrated
[11:28] <Duckle> woops
[11:28] <coconut> i use keepassxc just like blackflow.
[11:28] <coconut> ppf: but it looks like an online only app to me, which sucks.
[11:29] <ppf> yeah
[11:29] <ppf> looks like
[11:29] <ppf> cloud synch is an immediate nope
[11:29] <coconut> yes, should not be online to me eather. Just... no.
[11:30] <ppf> i don't mind online if i can control the infrastructure
[11:34] <popeycore> which application is that coconut / ppf ?
[11:34] <ppf> bitwarden
[11:34] <popeycore> ah okay
[11:34] <popeycore> nice app
[11:34] <coconut> that would make it better already, but still, online?
[11:35] <ppf> coconut: they have to synch somehow
[11:35] <ppf> i'd prefer something peer to peer
[11:35] <ppf> i.e. whenver devices see each other on the same network
[11:35] <ppf> but that has different privacy issues
[11:37] <popeycore> I use syncthing to sync between machines, and store encrypted files in that folder.
[11:37] <popeycore> which does the LAN syncing and keeping everything secure
[11:38] <ppf> popeycore: as i said above, some opaque synchronization of the password database is dangerous
[11:38] <ppf> a merge conflict immediatly kills you
[11:39] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:43] <CookieM> hello BluesKaj
[11:44] <BluesKaj> Hi CookieM
[12:06] <lotus|NUC> afternoon cfhowlett
[12:06] <cfhowlett> greetings lotus|NUC
[12:41] <Duckle> Hmm for some reason a package I'm interested in only shows up as version 1.2.9 in apt-cache search, even though I have bionic-proposed added to my sources
[12:42] <Duckle> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/slic3r < this is the package in question
[12:57] <lotus|NUC> Duckle: i told you artful was eol right
[12:57] <Duckle> lotus|NUC: I upgraded
[12:57] <Duckle> I'm on 18.04
[12:57] <Duckle> bionic
[12:58] <lotus|NUC> Duckle: ok, is there any reason you really need proposed?
[12:58] <Duckle> The particular software is fairly outdated in 1.2.9
[12:58] <Duckle> 1.3 has been the recommended version for a year I think
[12:58] <lotus|NUC> !latest | Duckle
[12:58] <Duckle> hmm,
[12:58] <lotus|NUC> Duckle: you could see !backports or snaps perhaps
[12:59] <Duckle> Yeah I just went with the recommendation from the developers website, where they recommend 1.3. I ended up just getting the appimage, but I'd prefer it to be updated through apt
[12:59] <lotus|NUC> Duckle: but proposed isnt really recommended unless you know what your doing
[12:59] <leftyfb> Duckle: which package?
[12:59] <Duckle> http://slic3r.org/download < 1.3 is recommended
[13:00] <Duckle> lotus|NUC: slic3r, it's the stuff that takes 3D models and slices it into layers and then into gcode for 3D printers
[13:00] <lotus|NUC> Duckle: can blender not help on that?
[13:00] <Duckle> Nope
[13:00] <lotus|NUC> k
[13:00] <Duckle> lotus|NUC: It's what produces the motion code for the printer
[13:01] <Duckle> it's fairly specific software, I prefer slic3r, others prefer cura, some prefer a 150$ paid closed-source software called Simplify 3D, but yea.
[13:01] <Duckle> It's quite specific kind of software. It has to do 3D motion paths from a mesh file
[13:02] <Duckle> and have all the relevant 3D printer knobs available. Appimage is working for now though, so I guess I'll just have to wait for the devs to make 1.3 stable :)
[13:02] <leftyfb> Duckle: It looks like only 1.2.9 is going to work with bionic. 1.3 will be available in the next release of ubuntu.
[13:02] <Duckle> oh dang. Ok
[13:24] <filib> Hi guys I would like to contribute to the Ubuntu community testing some code, how can I do??
[13:25] <lotus|NUC> !contribute | filib
[13:25] <lotus|NUC> filib: and welcome to the ubuntu community
[13:29] <guiver_d> filib: some wiki links on testing are https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/QATracker
[13:32] <filib> Hi guys I would like to contribute to the Ubuntu community testing some code, how can I do??
[13:34] <cfhowlett> !contribute | filib, READ THIS please.
[13:42] <nagygm> hey guys
[13:43] <nagygm> I got stuck with a really weird problem on my ubuntu
[13:44] <nagygm> sound works only for chrome, and not for any other software, not even the sound testing one
[13:46] <nagygm> I tried a lot of things, but none of them worked obviously, and I am out of ideas
[13:57] <filib> Papercuts Ninjas is a good place to start contributing as a tester?
[14:01] <alekksander> @nagygm there could be so many reasons… pulse failure, pulse bad config, alsa bad config etc…
[14:02] <Eimer> /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libusb-0.1.so.4.4.4 when searching for /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libusb-0.1.so.4.4.4
[14:02] <Eimer> << can someone explain me what's happening? For me, both filenames look identically.
[14:03] <Eimer> The linker then says: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libusb-0.1.so.4.4.4"
[14:07] <trupheenix> Hi! I need help.
[14:07] <Eimer> My entire log is: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ND7YHxd6mN/
[14:07] <trupheenix> I am attempting to install Ubuntu on an SSD WDS240G2G0B
[14:07] <trupheenix> I want to set it up with full disk encryption.
[14:07] <trupheenix> Is this a good idea?
[14:14] <salamanderrake> Eimer: are you not building a 32bit library?
[14:14] <Eimer> salamanderrake, well I am following a HowTo and it said to run "sudo make lib32" to build it in 32bit.
[14:15] <salamanderrake> yeah well that library is incompatable because its a 64 bit library when you are trying to compile a 32bit lib
[14:15] <salamanderrake> ile  /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libusb-0.1.so.4.4.4
[14:15] <salamanderrake> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libusb-0.1.so.4.4.4: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, BuildID[sha1]=a8ba2a1bca5de86606889ab3122a3038e8d2a272, stripped
[14:16] <salamanderrake> so its the build process thats messed up.
[14:16] <salamanderrake> morelikely in the configure stage
[14:17] <Eimer> So you think the mistake is in the libusb I have cloned?
[14:18] <salamanderrake> Eimer: where is the repo located?
[14:18] <Eimer> I am actually just following this HowTo, salamanderrake: https://github.com/casper-astro/mlib_devel/wiki/How-to-install-Xilinx-ISE
[14:18] <Eimer> Below step 20 "Download the driver source and install"
[14:19] <salamanderrake> are you on a 32bit system?
[14:19] <Eimer> I am pretty sure this is a 64 bit system
[14:19] <Eimer> Yeah, 64 bit
[14:21] <salamanderrake> What version of ubuntu are you on?
[14:21] <Eimer> 18.04
[14:22] <filib> what should we do to increase our karma points?
[14:22] <salamanderrake> Did you read the Tweaks for Ubuntu 16.04 section though?
[14:23] <Eimer> Yeah I did but there was nothing very helpful for me problem :S
[14:23] <Eimer> When I drop the lib32 flag in "sudo make lib32" I get this response: Built library is 64 bit. Run `make lib32' to build a 32 bit version
[14:26] <trupheenix> Can anyone here tell me how to set up full disk encryption with SSD?
[14:26] <trupheenix> I am attempting to install 18.04
[14:28] <salamanderrake> apt search libusb
[14:28] <salamanderrake> lol
[14:29] <TJ-> trupheenix: FDE is an option in the installer I seem to recall - are you trying to do it manually?
[14:29] <Eimer> Yeah I have it installed
[14:29] <salamanderrake> Eimer: sudo apt-get install libusb-dev:i386
[14:30] <Eimer> wuuh
[14:30] <Eimer> That seems to work
[14:30] <TJ-> Eimer: some of those instructions appear quite niave; recommending 'sudo' for a git clone and a make, for example (which runs all the tools as UID 0 (root)
[14:31] <salamanderrake> Wow, I didn't even see that one.
[14:31] <Eimer> salamanderrake, thank you. It is finishing with make[1]: Leaving directory '/opt/Xilinx/usb-driver' now. And I guess this is how it should be
[14:32] <TJ-> Eimer: If I followed those instructions I think I'd do it inside an unprivileged LXD container for safely
[14:32] <trupheenix> TJ- This is a SSD. The FDE option is creating a swap space which I don't want.
[14:32] <salamanderrake> Yeah, that repo/instructions seem outdated and they even misspell some stuff.
[14:32] <Eimer> TJ-, well it is just an How-to. I think they are not meant to be perfect.
[14:33] <TJ-> trupheenix: the swap is likely to support hibernation; however, SSD doesn't preclude swap - swap is about helping the kernel when there is pressure on RAM (because by default the kernel is configured to handle  over-commit of RAM)
[14:34] <trupheenix> TJ- was reading that swap degrades SSD over a period of time.
[14:34] <TJ-> Eimer: right - my point is, when you use 'sudo' you don't know what those tools could be doing to your system as 'root'
[14:34] <trupheenix> TJ - https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-add-swap-space-on-ubuntu-16-04
[14:34] <Eimer> Yeah I get your point. I guess in this case I just trusted the integrity of their software.
[14:35] <trupheenix> TJ- Plus I got 16 GB of RAM
[14:35] <trupheenix> TJ- so swap will not be required
[14:35] <TJ-> trupheenix: only if the system is hitting it constantly, which implies the system needs more RAM! but these days as I understand it most SSDs are tolerent of such things in their wear-leveling alogorithms
[14:35] <trupheenix> TJ- Is it? Hmmm
[14:35] <kostkon> trupheenix, modern ssds can withstand petabytes of writes more likely your SSD more likely will outlive the rest of your hardware by a wide margin
[14:36] <kostkon> -1 more likely
[14:36] <TJ-> trupheenix: well, if you choose FDE that implies the system will use LVM too, yes? So after install disable the swap and re-allocate the swap partition as an LVM physical volume and add it to the volume group - then you get to allocate the space to logical volumes
[14:37] <trupheenix> TJ- how to do this?
[14:38] <TJ-> trupheenix: just go through the install and reboot into it. Then "sudo swapoff <swap-device>" and "sudo pvcreate <swap-device>" and "sudo vgextend <myVG> <former-swap-device>". At that point the former 'swap' space is available to allocate for LVs inside <myVG>
[14:39] <trupheenix> TJ- I didn't get what is <myVG> about
[14:42] <TJ-> trupheenix: When using Logical Volume Management (LVM) the way it works is raw block devices are made Physical Volumes (PVs). One of more PVs are allocated to a Volume Group (VG). Now the VG has free extents (space) which can be allocated to Logical Volumes (LVs) which is where the file-systems are written to. So <myVG> would be the name the installer gave to the VG - I think it is something like ubuntu-vg
[14:42] <TJ-> but I can't be sure
[14:43] <cfhowlett> !lvm
[14:50] <LargePrime> hello.  have a realtek 8821AU on a USB hub.  lsusb can see.  lshw can see but does not use it as wifi device.  please advise
[14:52] <TJ-> LargePrime: I seem to recall needing to build the driver for that from a github repo
[14:52] <LargePrime> neat
[14:52] <TJ-> LargePrime: you're sure it is 8821 not 8812 ?
[14:53] <LargePrime> TJ-, because USB hub, or ..
[14:53] <LargePrime> checking
[14:53] <TJ-> LargePrime: I have a bunch of source for both 8812 an 8821 here; I'd need to go through it to figure out which are current/relevant
[14:53] <LargePrime> nope.  it is Device 008: ID 0bda:8812 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8812AU
[14:54] <LargePrime> sorry for the confusion
[14:55] <LargePrime> would i still need to build TJ-?
[14:55] <TJ-> LargePrime: give me a moment - we have an rtl8812au-dkms package in Ubuntu - let me check your device ID against its modalias list
[14:57] <LargePrime> ok.  kinda a noob, so if that means I am to do a thing, please be more bossy
[14:57] <TJ-> LargePrime: yes, it matches.
[14:57] <TJ-> !info rtl8812au-dkms | LargePrime
[14:57] <TJ-> LargePrime: you can just do "sudo apt install rtl8812ay-dkms"
[14:58] <TJ-> Grrr
[14:58] <TJ-> LargePrime: you can just do "sudo apt install rtl8812au-dkms"
[15:00] <LargePrime> so, i needed to install a driver for this adapter...?
[15:00] <LargePrime> how would i know i needed to do that TJ- ?
[15:01] <LargePrime> it is doing a bynamic build?
[15:01] <LargePrime> will it need to do this for every kernel upgrade
[15:02] <LargePrime> and will do so automagically?
[15:03] <LargePrime> after install, what do i restart to get the hardware to see it?
[15:03] <TJ-> LargePrime: it's all automatic from now on, each new kernel will cause the driver to be built for it
[15:03] <LargePrime> that is kinda amazing
[15:03] <TJ-> LargePrime: you should just need to re-insert the device and it'll be found, driver loaded, etc
[15:04] <TJ-> LargePrime: the reason the driver isn't in the kernel is Realtek do not play nice with the mainline kernel
[15:04] <TJ-> LargePrime: they just dump their code and leave it to users/devs to package/install
[15:15] <TheWild> hello
[15:17] <TheWild> I can't force my builtin camera to work. Laptop is Latitude E6540, the OS is Ubuntu 18.04.1.
[15:18] <TheWild> It is enabled in BIOS, but not listed by either lshw, lscpi and lsusb.
[15:18] <TheWild> What else I could try?
[15:21] <TJ-> TheWild: can you show us some info and the kernel log? "pastebinit <( lspci -nnk; lsusb; dmesg )"
[15:22] <TheWild> http://termbin.com/0sat
[15:23] <tatertots> TheWild: it's totally possible your camera may not be supported
[15:23] <TJ-> tatertots: but not conceivable the kernel doesn't see it on a bus
[15:23] <TheWild> maybe no drivers. But not listed?
[15:25] <filib> Papercuts Ninjas is a good place to start contributing as a tester?
[15:26] <TheWild> meh, I can't figure out the model.
[15:27] <tatertots> does the camera show up in any other Linux distro, how feasible is it that you'd physically be able to disassemble the laptop to physically reseat or check it's physical connection to the system (i.e ribbon cables)
[15:28] <TJ-> TheWild: looks like a hardware fault; your "lsusb" output shows an unknown device with vendor ID "0000" - which is illegal. "Bus 003 Device 004: ID 0000:0538"
[15:29] <TJ-> TheWild: does the PC dual-boot with Windows - if so, does the camera show up there? If no dual-boot, I'm guessing either hardware issue or possible firmware ACPI bug (if ACPI there is a workaround that may help you)
[15:31] <TheWild> dunno. I installed Windows on the other partition but it was barely used, never connected to internet and no drivers installed on.
[15:31] <TheWild> wait a moment, I have drivers for Windows, maybe it will tell me what model it is.
[15:31] <TheWild> hardware fault?
[15:31] <TJ-> TheWild: Oh - I bet that's a smartphone you've got connected - is that correct?
[15:32] <TheWild> TJ-: mmmm... nope. Not today!
[15:32] <TJ-> TheWild: strange - that's usually what causes the 0000 vendor ID
[15:33] <TJ-> TheWild: hmmm, that may be a misleading indicator then. Do you happen to have a USB optical mouse connected?
[15:33] <TheWild> I connected my smartphone yesterday and it had some problems "agreeing" with my computer. It kept connecting and disconnecting, but eventually had stabilized.
[15:33] <TheWild> TJ-: Optical mouse, yup!
[15:34] <TJ-> TheWild: ahhh; that'll likely be the device I was considering faulty. OK, forgot that and lets move on :)
[15:34] <TheWild> heh, mouse works flawlessly though.
[15:36] <TJ-> TheWild: that's fine; my mistake!
[15:37] <TJ-> TheWild: So there is no indication of the device in the hardware - so as I said, either a real hardware fault, or a firmware ACPI issue. We can test the ACPI issue relatively easily. I've an article that covers it and a possible workaround  http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[15:38] <TheWild> taking a look
[15:38] <TheWild> I'm curious whether BIOS builtin diagnostic test could find anything
[15:40] <tripelbsleeps> Ubu18.04 Is there a way to make a phone call from my computer to a phone number?
[15:40] <blackflow> tripelbsleeps: yes via skype
[15:40] <tripelbsleeps> blackflow  MS owns that. Any OTHER way?
[15:41] <TJ-> TheWild: From other people's lsusb with the E6540, the camera is microdia with ID 0c45:649d
[15:42] <tatertots> tripleb: via google voice..but if you are against MS then you're probably against other big corporations too...so your options are narrowed
[15:43] <tripelb> tatertots, no I am ok with that but g'voice wants me to have some other phone to use (they ring on your home phone) and I have lost my phone (hoping the bus driver got it but wont know till Monday) so I have no phone at all.
[15:44] <TJ-> TheWild: this Debian overview of a very similar model (E6530) also shows what to expect https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/Latitude%20E6530%20%28wheezy%29
[15:44] <tripelb> I thought this was easier. tatertots  bla
[15:44] <tripelb> blackflow
[15:45] <TheWild> I'll perform a diagnostic test and I'll be back. I'll also look for detailed info of the camera in BIOS setup if there are any.
[15:45] <eltese> Hi! Does Ubuntu get the same driver version at the same time as other releases and if it doesn't does that even matter? I'm trying to decide which distro to install :) Thanks!
[15:45] <tripelb> Then if I must PAY MONEY TO MS I will.. but...
[15:46] <TJ-> eltese: your question doesn't make sense, can you explain some more?
[15:47] <blackflow> tripelb: what's so special about MS? you pay money to your ISP, no? and the electric company for the juice? no?
[15:48] <eltese> TJ-: ah okay sorry! Yes, so I've read around a bit and many (mainly Arch) users have complained that Ubuntu uses older drivers (e.g older nvidia drivers) and that Ubuntu specifically is months behind in getting up to recent drivers. This seems like a false statement to me, but I would like to clarify
[15:49] <blackflow> tripelb: thing with phone calls is, you need phone line terminal equipment. which requires a (most likely) paid connection to a telecom. so either it's your own andy ou have something like an ISDN card, and plug your phone line directly, or you have your telecom's VOIP technology, or you pay someone, like Skype, to do all that for you.
[15:50] <TJ-> eltese: well, the main archive for each 6 monthly release is 'frozen' a month or so before the release date so in that sense Ubuntu will fall behind newer Nvidia releases (we go for stable not bleeding edge) *but* we have an external archive (PPA) called "graphics-drivers" that contains the latest nvidia drivers
[15:52] <TJ-> eltese: and for LTS (Long Term Support) releases (16.04, 18.04 - April release every 2 years) they are supported and updated for 5 years
[15:52] <eltese> TJ-: OK, thank you so much for your answer :) So the PPA is Ubuntus version of the AUR? I was mainly concerned for gaming reasons. I do like Arch , but do not feel totally comfortable going through that installation. Would be nice to just have something that works out of the box
[15:52] <TJ-> !ppa | eltese
[15:52] <TJ-> !graphics-drivers
[15:53] <blackflow> eltese: not quite, and the graphics-drivers PPA is official, not a random user's
[15:53] <TJ-> !nvidia
[15:53] <TJ-> blackflow: where is our bot info for the graphics-drivers PPA?!?
[15:53] <blackflow> TJ-: lemme see
[15:53] <eltese> blackflow: OK, thank you! I think I will just go with ubuntu for now =) Thank you both so much
[15:53] <TJ-> eltese: and we have a very active community support infrastructure :)
[15:54] <blackflow> TJ-: the factoid database doesn't seem to have it
[15:54] <eltese> TJ-: Yes, that was the ultimate decider. So again , thanks :)
[15:55] <TJ-> blackflow: right - only seems to be the binarydriver factoid
[15:56] <BluesKaj> archlinux is a nice operating system, but for some it's not worth the effort . i can be anticlimactic after running all the commands and realizing the OS is not much different than other more easily installed linux OSs
[15:59] <blackflow> indeed, especially given that debootstrap will give you most minimal arch-like environment from which you install only what you want (As that's one of Arch's main selling points). The only thing in Arch that's different is the package versions move very fast
[16:02] <TJ-> I've been enjoying building and running ARM LXD containers on x86; seems novel for some reason
[16:03] <blackflow> ARM LXD on x86? what!
[16:05] <TJ-> same as with ARM chroots - using qemu-user-static package (copy in /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static to the rootfs of the container)
[16:05] <blackflow> but of course, there's qemu in that. just... weird, tho'. it's basically virtualization, but via lxc.
[16:05] <TJ-> yeah, and much faster
[16:05] <blackflow> this "ooh ooh containers" hype has gone too far! :)
[16:05] <TJ-> if you don't need hardware emulation
[16:05] <TJ-> hehehe
[16:06] <blackflow> it still has to translate the isa so I'd say it's rather very slow
[16:06] <TJ-> blackflow: try it - you'd be very surprised how performant it is
[16:06] <TJ-> orders of magnitude faster than a qemu VM
[16:07] <blackflow> I wonder what's the purpose of it. To prepare software before offloading it to an actual ARM board?
[16:14] <TJ-> easy deployable build containers, not just for ARM - qemu-user-static supports 30 architectures
[16:15] <TJ-> being able to run foreign-arch software for testing and learning too
[16:16] <TJ-> E.g. testing/working with embedded software for routers etc.
[16:18] <tripelb> FYI, I figured out how to call with G'voice.  Connect voice to hangouts, then open contacts, then you can use the contacts list (or a memorized number) to make a call.
[17:03] <TheWild> TJ-: okay, it took a little longer. The camera in BIOS is enabled, although it does not display any info that the camera is indeed recognized. Diagnostic test doesn't seem to include camera.
[17:05] <TJ-> TheWild: did you also try the acpi_osi workaround I linked to?
[17:06] <TheWild> not yet - gonna try it
[17:08] <TheWild> is "Windows 2015" a legit name?
[17:09] <TJ-> TheWild: yes, is that what the commands report for your PC?
[17:11] <TheWild> ah, ok
[17:11] <TheWild> sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i 'windows ' | sort | tail -1
[17:11] <TheWild> Windows 2013
[17:12] <TJ-> TheWild: that's the one to use; it is what your PC's firmware has internally
[17:13] <TheWild> whew... okay. I'll be back.
[17:16] <TheWild> didn't make it :(
[17:16] <TJ-> TheWild: have you confirmed the acpi_osi is in use? "grep acpi_osi /proc/cmdline"
[17:16] <TheWild> yup, it's there
[17:17] <TheWild> btw, microphone doesn't work either; it didn't work even before.
[17:17] <TJ-> TheWild: OK, just in case, show us the new kernel log: "pastebinit <( dmesg )"
[17:18] <TheWild> http://termbin.com/t0wj
[17:22] <TheWild> [   13.246036] input: HDA Intel PCH Dock Mic as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/sound/card1/input19
[17:22] <TheWild> so maybe chance the microphone will work at least
[17:25] <TJ-> TheWild: not sure but this may be relevant to the USB camera "usb 3-14: config 0 has an invalid interface number: 3 but max is 2"
[17:26] <TJ-> TheWild: 3-14 seems to be the Broadcom device (usb 3-14: Manufacturer: Broadcom Corp) but it's possible it has a hub on it that the camera is connected via.
[17:26] <Hamilton> how can I give a snap app access to home folder
[17:26] <Hamilton> In other words, how can I change an app from stable to extended
[17:26] <TJ-> TheWild: do you have an external USB hub attached?
[17:26] <TheWild> nope
[17:26] <TheWild> only mouse and keyboard
[17:27] <TJ-> TheWild: I was just wondering if the internal hub was lacking power - are you able to reboot and test without the external USB keyboard/mouse ?
[17:27] <TheWild> ok
[17:27] <TheWild> I'll be back then
[17:30] <TheWild> nope. http://termbin.com/f7zn
[17:31] <TJ-> TheWild: ok, so we can safely assume the camera is either disconnected or has totally failed. Might be worth checking if its connector has been detached from the motherboard (if you can get easy access)
[17:31] <TheWild> mhmm... I was never opening this laptop
[17:32] <TJ-> you could try Windows just in case!
[17:33] <TJ-> I doubt this but it could require something else being triggered to enable it :D
[17:34] <TheWild> will be back
[17:48] <TheWild> Windows won't stand up. BSOD!
[17:48] <TheWild> I'll check for sure there hasn't been anything important on that partition and reinstall it.
[17:48] <TheWild> even starter version should serve for just checking the camera
[18:00] <benzelio> hi. I got a laptop with ubuntu installed. I was wondering, what's the easiest way to use it as a server? I have tons of movies on this laptop that I'd like to access/download from my PC.
[18:01] <ChiLL-Two> You can just Local Share the folder benzelio
[18:06] <TJ-> benzelio: you could install a DLNA type media server service
[18:06] <benzelio> ChiLL-Two: interesting! I'll give that a go!
[18:07] <ChiLL-Two> right click on a folder and then properties
[18:07] <ChiLL-Two> Local Network Share
[18:08] <benzelio> ChiLL-Two: But then? Where/How do I access it on my Windows machine?
[18:09] <ChiLL-Two> On the network i think, can't remember Windows stuff
[18:10] <ChiLL-Two> Search on your laptops-computer-name
[18:12] <Hamilton> rate my setup :D https://img42.com/IXsXm
[18:13] <pragmaticenigma> Hamilton: that is not the purpose of this room. please remember to check the room topic and follow the guidelines
[18:15] <Hamilton> oh sorry
[18:15] <GG--> hello, im having trouble with CMake
[18:15] <GG--> C compiler on this system is: cc
[18:15] <GG--> ---------------------------------------------
[18:15] <GG--> Error when bootstrapping CMake:
[18:15] <GG--> Cannot find a C++ compiler that supports both C++11 and the specified C++ flags.
[18:15] <GG--> Please specify one using environment variable CXX.
[18:15] <GG--> The C++ flags are "".
[18:16] <pragmaticenigma> GG--: please find a more appropriate channel for help on building applications. This channel is for Ubuntu support and support of pre-packaged software made available in the software center
[18:30] <tripelb> any chance for a lyft app that works on Ubuntu? That would be a worthy project.
[18:41] <HiddenDjinn> tripelb, doesn't lyft require location permissions
[18:42] <HiddenDjinn> i know uber does
[18:52] <dar----> Hello ... Installed upgrade UBUNTU 18.04.1 LTS ... now it Freezes at boot ... Help!!!!
[18:54] <Blade> 18.04.2
[18:54] <TJ-> dar----: are you on another PC right now?
[18:55] <dar----> yes
[18:55] <TJ-> dar----: OK, so stable :) When you say it freezes, at what point, what are you seeing when it freezes?
[18:57] <dar----> UBUNTU with the dots moving under it, then it stops with 1/2 a tree ove it
[18:58] <TJ-> dar----: OK... have you tried entering the GRUB boot-loader manual at start-up, and then trying the Recovery option?
[18:58] <TJ-> s/manual/menu/ !
[18:59] <TJ-> dar----: also, as a FYI, when you see those dots you can tap Esc to hide the splash screen and see the kernel messages, which may give you clues
[19:01] <dar----> yes  selected a previous version ... but I had to select about 5 version before it would start ... with alot of hoops to jump through ... then when rebooting normal it gos back to freeze mode
[19:02] <dar----> esc ! kool
[19:02] <TJ-> dar----: OK ... so that tells us an older kernel version was good, but more recent versions were bad - is that correct?
[19:02] <dar----> yes
[19:03] <dar---->  been on that computer for years
[19:04] <TJ-> dar----: OK ... if you can gather more precise info that'd help us narrow it down. I'd suggest you tap Esc at boot to get to the GRUB menu, highlight the default entry, press 'e' to edit it, navigate down to the line beginning "linux ..." and at the end where it says "quiet splash" delete those and put "debug" then press Ctrl+X (or F10) to boot with that option.
[19:04] <TJ-> dar----: That will prevent the splash screen and have the kernel emit maximum messages - if it freezes be prepared to take a photo of the messages on-screen so we can get an idea what is wrong
[19:06] <dar----> starting user manager for UID 121 is where it quit
[19:06] <dar----> or after that
[19:07] <TJ-> dar----: it just locks up?
[19:07] <dar----> yes
[19:07] <TJ-> dar----: I wonder what that UID represents - it is likely different to other systems. On mine it's the "bluetooth" account
[19:07] <dar----> this is a 32bit computer
[19:08] <TJ-> dar----: now try booting to one of the older kernels you know works - then we can grab log files and figure out what is going on
[19:10] <TJ-> dar----: Are you on a Linux PC right now?
[19:10] <dar----> yes
[19:11] <TJ-> dar----: so, to make diagnosis easier, I'd recommend SSH into the poorly PC once it has booted. Then you can easily transfer pastebin URLs to IRC
[19:13] <dar----> never SSH before
[19:17] <dar----> " gdm.servicegdm.services "is the group where it stopped
[19:17] <TJ-> dar----: Well, on the poorly PC, once it has started ensure the SSH server is installed with "sudo apt-get install openssh-server"
[19:18] <TJ-> dar----: OK, that is the Gnome Display Manager.
[19:18] <TJ-> dar----: which Ubuntu release is the poorly PC running? "lsb_release -r"
[19:20] <dar----> 16 I think ... I read 17 had problems  so I didnt upgrade for a while
[19:20] <TJ-> dar----: use the command I just gave > "lsb_release -r"
[19:23] <dar----> yes 16.04 LTS
[19:24] <TJ-> dar----: right, so if you've installed openssh-server as suggested, from the current PC you can do "ssh <ip-of-poorly-pc> and have a remote shell to work from.
[19:25] <dar----> Linux 4.15.0-36-generic
[19:28] <TJ-> dar----: once you've got the SSH session going do "sudo apt install pastebinit" in case it isn't already installed
[19:29] <TJ-> dar----: ... then do "pastebinit <( tail -n 2000 /var/log/syslog )"
[19:29] <TJ-> dar----: and give us the URL it reports
[19:31] <TheWild> hello again
[19:32] <TheWild> I've reinstalled Windows, but after reinstalling GRUB I can't really run Windows.
[19:33] <Dreaman> normal fars install win secand ubuntu
[19:33] <TheWild> boot menu appears on that purple background. I select Windows, it seems to run under the hood but only purple background is displayed.
[19:33] <TJ-> TheWild: did you manage to boot Windows at all?
[19:33] <TheWild> Caps Lock/Num Lock works.
[19:33] <TheWild> TJ-: yes. Before I reinstalled GRUB, it worked.
[19:33] <TJ-> TheWild: did you get chance to check on the camera?
[19:35] <TJ-> TheWild: I found the user/service manual. In case you choose to open the laptop up, pages 40-41 and 49-50 at https://topics-cdn.dell.com/pdf/latitude-e6540-laptop_owners-manual_en-us.pdf
[19:35] <ryuo> TheWild: what boot method are you using?
[19:35] <TheWild> nope. In the device manager, nothing appears as camera or imaging/recording device. It might need drivers, but since I moved them to another partition (ext4) before installing Windows, I had to run "Try Ubuntu", copy drivers to Windows partition and reinstalled GRUB by occassion.
[19:36] <TJ-> TheWild: Like Linux, Windows would have reported the hardware even if it doesn't have drivers - it would have popped up the Found New Hardware dialogs/wizard
[19:36] <ryuo> TheWild: dual booting may be easier to achieve if you can use EFI.
[19:36] <TheWild> TJ-: from my experience it may return a bunch of "Unknown devices" as well.
[19:36] <ryuo> especiallly considering how chaotice windows 10 has become...
[19:37] <TheWild> btw, it's Windows 7
[19:37] <TJ-> TheWild: right - but you would have known there was a device with no driver - the camera is UVC (USB Video Class) so the built-in Windows driver would have picked it up
[19:37] <ryuo> Oh. Well, if you can UEFI, i suggest you do so.
[19:37] <ryuo> use*
[19:37] <dar----> [62.754783] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev loop2, sector 0 <-- is another error message I got from another start point that froze
[19:37] <ryuo> it separates the bootloaders so they can be independent.
[19:38] <TJ-> TheWild: so I think you've a definite hardware problem - either one end of the internal USB cable has disconnected, the cable has got damaged where it passes through the screen hinge, or the camera has died
[19:39] <TheWild> will be back, but just tell me why the hell GRUB causes trouble displaying graphics in Windows?
[19:39] <TJ-> dar----: "loop" device is unusual - that suggests some file is being used via losetup
[19:39] <ryuo> TheWild: it may be an issue with the state GRUB leaves the GPU in.
[19:39] <TJ-> TheWild: it shouldn't - GRUB should just use "chainload +XX" to load the Windows boot-loader
[19:39] <ryuo> TheWild: what machine is it?
[19:40] <TJ-> ryuo: Dell E6540
[19:40] <ryuo> Wow. That should have UEFI.
[19:40] <ryuo> TheWild: Are you using UEFI?
[19:40] <TJ-> ryuo: no, it is BIOS so far as I can see
[19:40] <TheWild> gimme a second. Maybe instead of "quiet splash" it needs "nomodeset"?
[19:41] <ryuo> TheWild: that's Linux only, and won't matter to Windows.
[19:41] <ryuo> TheWild: I'm suggesting you try switching to EFI.
[19:41] <ryuo> TheWild: It's far easier to dual boot with.
[19:41] <TheWild> maybe it's UEFI. I don't know.
[19:41] <ryuo> TheWild: you can tell by how it's partitioned.
[19:41] <TJ-> ryuo: sorry, yes, it is UEFI! just found it in the service manual
[19:42] <ryuo> TJ-: yes, but that doesn't tell us if they are using it.
[19:42] <TJ-> ryuo: it's not
[19:42] <ryuo> It might resolve their booting issues.
[19:42] <TJ-> ryuo:  it's using BIOS/Legacy boot
[19:42] <ryuo> I see.
[19:42] <ryuo> I've had better luck with dual booting in the past when I switched to EFI.
[19:42] <ryuo> Less brittle than chainloading.
[19:42] <TJ-> ryuo: this boot issue is new, because Windows was BSOD-ing, so TheWild reinstalled Windows
[19:42] <ryuo> Oh.
[19:42] <TheWild> GRUB_TERMINAL="console" ?
[19:43] <ryuo> could a bios update help?
[19:43] <ryuo> People tend to neglect their BIOS.
[19:43] <TJ-> ryuo: this all started originally because the internal USB camera isn't showing up. The final test was to see if Windows could see it ... and thats where Windows came in
[19:43] <TJ-> TheWild: yes, that can help
[19:43] <TheWild> http://termbin.com/webq
[19:44] <ryuo> I can't tell you how many laptops i've serviced that were using *ancient* BIOS.
[19:44] <ryuo> as if they were never updated.
[19:44] <TJ-> TheWild: so that is an MBR Partition table
[19:44] <TheWild> yes
[19:45] <TJ-> No EFI system partition, ergo Legacy/BIOS boot
[19:45] <TheWild> I've edited /etc/default/grub, is that enough or I have to run a command?
[19:46] <TJ-> TheWild: "sudo update-grub"
[19:46] <TheWild> ok. Will be back
[19:47] <TJ-> ryuo: I suspect as TheWild asked that question, GRUB hadn't been updated since Windows was reinstalled, which would explain why it no longer could boot correctly. I'd guess now it may well boot Windows
[19:47] <ryuo> TJ-: no idea, i just recall that MBR is harder to maintain such setups.
[19:48] <ryuo> EFI at least gives every installation their own dedicated place.
[19:48] <ryuo> No longer have to fight over the single boot sector MBR offers.
[19:49] <TJ-> ryuo: you're correct about the out of date BIOS. It has A06 and A21 is the latest
[19:50] <TJ-> if TheWild can get Windows to boot they can install the BIOS update
[19:52] <ryuo> TJ-: windows isn't a precursor... you can do it from FreeDOS.
[19:52] <ryuo> But, sure.
[19:52] <ryuo> I had to update the BIOS of an E5530 from FreeDOS.
[19:52] <TJ-> ryuo: I know - I'm trying to keep it simple for TheWild though
[19:53] <ryuo> I suppose so. I kinda like modern HPs though. The BIOS has its own network stack, enough to perform updates of itsefl.
[19:53] <ryuo> So, it can find the correct BIOS and perform the update painlessly from the BIOS.
[19:55] <tripelb> hexchat gives me no way to see if my question was answered. Solution would be to back search on my nick. FYI
[19:55] <tripelb> tripelb
[19:56] <tripelb> I may be able to do that. but that comment of just my nick is what happened. Hmm
[19:56] <TJ-> ryuo: if all manufacturers adopted the capsule format it can be done from Linux too
[19:57] <ryuo> TJ-: ah, that thing modern Dells use?
[19:57] <ryuo> fwupd or w/e.
[19:57] <TJ-> ryuo: it's an industry standard been around a long time, but needs the manufacturers to package the update as a capsule file
[19:58] <tripelb> HiddenDjinn, fyi I can give location permissions from my PC (18.04)
[19:58] <tripelb> HiddenDjinn, laptop. HP.
[19:59] <ryuo> TJ-: this? https://fwupd.org/
[19:59] <TJ-> ryuo: Yes
[19:59] <tripelb> Yes I CAN search my backscroll in hexchat.
[19:59] <ryuo> Ok, so nothing new to me.
[20:00] <tripelb> OK I sucessfully made 2 calls from GoogleVoice (thru Google hangouts FYI blackflow
[20:01] <tripelb> blackflow, so the paragraph you wrote me up there about restrictions is not true. (Yay more abilities)
[20:01] <tripelb> My successful google voice connection works the same but NOW.. is silent. Anyone have any clues?
[20:05] <oln> Hello, I'm trying to customize a kernel module to add support from something, but the source I get from the linux-source package has the version 4.15.18, while the latest binary kernel package is 4.15.0
[20:05] <oln> how can I get the correct source
[20:05] <TJ-> oln: are you trying to add support for an additional device via adding a device ID, or trying to add something more?
[20:05] <oln> just adding a device id (to the em28xx driver specifically)
[20:06] <TJ-> oln: did you know you can do that without recompiling by simply writing the ID into the driver's sysfs interface?
[20:06] <oln> I did not, how do I do that?
[20:06] <TJ-> oln: it's a USB device?
[20:06] <oln> yea
[20:07] <TJ-> oln: I taught someone else to do this a few days ago - let me check my logs
[20:07] <oln> it would go here in the source
[20:07] <oln> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/media/usb/em28xx/em28xx-cards.c#L650
[20:08] <TJ-> oln: make sure the module is loaded then what does this show? "ls /sys/bus/usb/drivers/em28xx/"
[20:09] <oln> "1-3.1:1.0  bind  module  new_id  remove_id  uevent  unbind"
[20:10] <oln> ah the first one went away once i disconnected my other (supported) device
[20:12] <TJ-> oln: right, so what we do is write the unclaimed device's ID to that bind node. Let's find it: "sudo apt install pastebinit tree" then show me "pastebinit <( tree /sys/bus/usb/devices/ )"
[20:13] <oln> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VzFZHVhgRx/
[20:13] <oln> a wait forgot to plug it
[20:14] <oln> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xjBGkxfpgm/
[20:15] <TJ-> oln: OK :) and we need to see the "pastebinit <( lsusb )"
[20:15] <TJ-> oln: if you can point out which device it is we can map that to where it is in the tree, and get its bus address
[20:16] <oln> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vRzpCm6xJX/
[20:16] <oln> it's the one called afatech
[20:16] <KSaunderson> Can we talk about the CoC?
[20:17] <Ben64> not here, this is for support
[20:17] <KSaunderson> oh ok
[20:20] <oln> I found an article about injecting device id, though in the code it needs some sub-devices specified
[20:25] <oln> though still wondering about the kernel source
[20:25] <TJ-> oln: looks like we need more info to correlate: "pastebinit <( for d in /sys/bus/usb/devices/*; do echo $d =  $(cat $d/{idVendor,idProduct} 2>/dev/null ); done )"
[20:26] <TJ-> oln: well if this doesn't work we can sort the source out
[20:26] <oln> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cJ27y9Vp65/
[20:26] <oln> so this one /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-3.4 = 1b80 e319
[20:27] <TJ-> oln: OK, thanks, let me forumate the command
[20:27] <TJ-> oln: So this should bind it: "echo -n '1-3:1.0' | sudo dd of=/sys/bus/usb/drivers/em28xx/bind"
[20:28] <TJ-> oln: then see if it shows in "ls /sys/bus/usb/drivers/em28xx/"
[20:28] <TJ-> oln:  and check the kernel log for clues as to if it were successful: "dmesg | tail"
[20:30] <TJ-> oln: oh, I typoed!
[20:30] <TJ-> oln: So this should bind it: "echo -n '1-3.4:1.0' | sudo dd of=/sys/bus/usb/drivers/em28xx/bind"
[20:30] <oln> "dd: det oppstod en feil ved skriving av '/sys/bus/usb/drivers/em28xx/bind': Ingen slik enhet"
[20:30] <tripelb> Subject google voice on PC (running ubuntu 18.04) WORKED. Now silent => after search (googlehelp, and search) I am guessing some other routine is still listed in the os as claiming the default audio (sorry if I dont knwo the right terms for this) -- how do I find out which program or chrome window (that I have closed) was using it so I can free it. Thanks.
[20:30] <oln> in english: no such device
[20:30] <TJ-> oln: right my mistake ^^
[20:31] <TJ-> oln: should be: "echo -n '1-3.4:1.0' | sudo dd of=/sys/bus/usb/drivers/em28xx/bind"
[20:31] <oln> same message
[20:32] <TJ-> oln: strange. OK, how about just installing thr 4.18 kernel from 18.10 - avoids having to edit the source, if 4.18 has support for that device
[20:33] <oln> it's not in the latest version either so that won't work
[20:33] <TJ-> oln: really? that's annoying!
[20:33] <oln> yeah
[20:34] <oln> I mean the hardware is supported, just not the exact device id
[20:34] <oln> there are like a lot of usb capture devices that use the same hardware
[20:35] <oln> like i tested the source change with the modules using the middle method here: https://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_Obtain,_Build_and_Install_V4L-DVB_Device_Drivers
[20:35] <TJ-> oln: OK, so the bets way to handle this, so as to ensure it works even if the kernel gets upgraded is to extract the em28xx driver from the kernel tree as a stand-alone module, and make it a DKMS (Dynamic Kernel Module System)  package
[20:35] <oln> and it works, but it breaks my webcam, and only lets me capture at half frame rate
[20:36] <oln> okay
[20:36] <ryuo> TJ-: that's a rather convoluted alternative to "tee" :)
[20:36] <TJ-> oln: give me a few minutes to test it works to build the module as DKMS here without changes, then you can take that and add your special magic
[20:36] <oln> TJ-: ty
[20:37] <TJ-> ryuo: not at all - don't need to 'see' what is written
[20:37] <ryuo> TJ-: perhaps so. i just think dd is better reserved for more advanced uses.
[20:37] <oln> btw it's mostly for testing and possibly making a kernel patch, so it's not a big deal if i would have to recompile later
[20:38] <TJ-> ryuo: makes no difference
[20:42] <oln> When googling earlier I found this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/515407/how-recipe-to-build-only-one-kernel-module#515408 but
[20:42] <oln> but the module uses some headers from different driver modules, and they're not found when using that method
[20:44] <oln> as there are no headers under /lib/modules/___/build/drivers/
[20:47] <TJ-> oln: I'm alomst there with the DKMS - just need to incorporate the eaddtional cflags from the Makefile
[20:48] <oln> TJ-: awesome
[20:50] <hdon> hi all :) do ubuntu 18 package repos contains nvidia nccl binaries?
[21:08] <TJ-> oln: ahhh, I see the challenge now. It includes lots of 'private' header files
[21:16] <HiddenDjinn> tripelb, wasn't familiar...never intentionally shared location on linux
[21:16] <TJ-> oln: almost have it - am I correct to assume you have a cloned the kernel git repository?
[21:17] <oln> Haven't cloned the upstream repo, tried to compile with the source from linux-source to match my current kernel, but it seems to not have the same version number
[21:18] <oln> the linux-source-4.15.0 4.15.0-36.39
[21:18] <oln> package
[21:18] <oln> but for some reason the makefile has version 4.15.18
[21:23] <oln> TJ-: and yeah, it has some 'private' header files, as there are sub-devices with their own driver modules
[21:30] <TJ-> oln: those versions - Ubuntu versions don't map exactly onto mainline versions, we have a table for those, I'll find it for you.
[21:31] <Hell-Razor> Is it a known bug with lvm and the installer that it wont overwrite an existing lvm install?
[21:31] <oln> TJ-: thanks, I was hoping there would be a simple way to just compile the modules I needed against the current running kernel, but it seems that's rather difficult
[21:31] <oln> may just compile the whole kernel
[21:31] <TJ-> oln: Good news is, I've got it to build. The issue is calling on all the private header files as you said. I've made it a DKMS module but it has to rely on a local copy of the kernel source that matches - I've got the ubuntu-bionic repo added as a remote to my mainline linux repo, so I just checkout the matching tag
[21:32] <oln> does that have the exact version that the binary packages are build from?
[21:32] <NoPinky> hello, I'm trying to install ubuntu 18.04 server on a thin client (hp t610). I doesn't finish and throws an error after "configuring pollinate user-agent on target system". I tried it several times. Googled for this error but didn't find anything usefull.
[21:33] <TJ-> oln: firstly the version map: https://people.canonical.com/~kernel/info/kernel-version-map.html
[21:33] <NoPinky> can someone help me with this? thanks
[21:33] <TJ-> oln: yes, it does. Do you currently have the mainline linux git repo locally?
[21:33] <oln> no but I could clone it
[21:33] <Irritiable|LT> Hey, TJ-. Do you by chance know what script or file is used to rewrite the resolv.conf file (so I can have the nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> and nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> be persistent when restarting the network-manager service)?
[21:33] <Hell-Razor> Whats the error NoPinky?
[21:34] <NoPinky> it just says at the top: An error occured during installation
[21:34] <NoPinky> @Hell-Razor
[21:34] <TJ-> oln: OK - I'd just cloning mainline first, then add the Ubuntu rep as a remote with "git remote add ubuntu-bionic   git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-bionic.git"
[21:35] <Hell-Razor> NoPinky Honestly? I would try a different flavor of linux... Ie been fighting ubuntu now for about two days lol
[21:35] <TJ-> oln: then you can do "git fetch ubuntu-bionic" and then checkout the tag matching your installed kernel, e.g. "git checkout Ubuntu-4.15.0-36.39"
[21:35] <Hell-Razor> Curiosity of where ubuntu is going wrong is the only reason I am still trying
[21:35] <TJ-> oln: and finally - you'll want my DKMS package and to extract it under /usr/src/
[21:37] <NoPinky> @Hell-Razor: opening the full log, there it is: curtin.util.ProcessExecutionError: unexpected error while running command
[21:37] <MarkB2> I need a ..hint.  I've a program that receives a request and creates a worker thread to process the request.  At the end of the process, the worker exits.  But the worker uses malloc() to store persistent data into a std::map.  Later on, a new thread accesses the map to retrieve that data and nothing comes back.  During debugging, std::map goes nuts, claiming multiple frees on the same block of memory.
[21:38] <ryuo> MarkB2: this isn't a programming support channel.
[21:38] <Hell-Razor> NoPinky I think the installer for me has crashed 6-7 times. Im tracking down errors lol
[21:38] <ryuo> MarkB2: try #learnprogramming
[21:39] <MarkB2> ryuo: I thought I might ask.  The platform is Ubuntu 18.04 LTS 64-bit... thought there might be a hint available.
[21:39] <NoPinky> @Hell-Razor, I will track down thid error, didn't see it before
[21:39] <oln> @MarkB2: sounds like a cpp channel would be more suited for that question
[21:39] <TJ-> oln: you can get the dkms archive from http://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/em28xx-dkms.tar.gz
[21:40] <MarkB2> oln: Hmm.. thank you.
[21:40] <Hell-Razor> NoPinky Why are you trying to install ubuntu server? Cent does decent and is 10 to 1 ubuntu eas
[21:40] <TJ-> oln: extract it with "sudo tar -xf em28xx-dkms.tar.gz -C /usr/src"
[21:40] <Hell-Razor> easy
[21:40] <ryuo> MarkB2: i see you're unregistered.
[21:40] <Moulin> hello guys. i have a folder where all files ends in .log, and that folder is symlinked. i was wondering if it's possible to change the extension from .log to .html wutomatically
[21:40] <ryuo> MarkB2: Many places on Freenode now require registration due to the spam attacks.
[21:40] <MarkB2> I am not unregistered.  I am using a different nickname than the one I am registered for.
[21:40] <TJ-> oln: *THEN* you need to edit the Makefile, and set KSRC to point to where your local git repo is
[21:40] <ryuo> MarkB2: hm... then this IRC feature is lying to me.
[21:41] <ryuo> MarkB2: Nevermind.
[21:41] <Moulin> the command ive done to symlink was: ln -s /home/bots/logger/logs/allnitecafe/* allnitecafe/
[21:41] <ryuo> Hell-Razor: what issue are you having?
[21:41] <MarkB2> ryuo: No problem.  I try my best to play by the rules.
[21:44] <TJ-> oln: how are you getting on?
[21:44] <ryuo> MarkB2: though as to your question, it's likely multiple threads are trying to free the memory in the destructor.
[21:45] <ryuo> MarkB2: hard to say, but that's a common reason for those errors.
[21:45] <oln> TJ-: waiting for cloning to finish
[21:46] <oln> how do I build the dkms module once I'm done cloning?
[21:46] <NoPinky> @Hell-Razor: because Ubuntu is what I am familiar with. I am only a occasional linux user, don't want to jump into Cent OS right now
[21:46]  * ryuo uses Ubuntu Server too.
[21:47] <ryuo> Granted i'm not thrilled with some of their decisions like imposing a half-baked netplan in Bionic.
[21:47] <TJ-> oln: OK .., as it is getting busy in here, would you like to move to #ubuntu-kernel ?
[21:47] <oln> TJ-: sure
[21:48] <ntd> and about thirteen ways of making -server make regular connections to canonical servers
[21:48] <ryuo> Server doesn't ship with the same telemetry desktop does, only that apport stuff from what I saw.
[21:48] <ntd> oh, i'm not speaking of ubuntu-report
[21:49] <ryuo> and I guess unattended-upgrades.
[21:49] <ryuo> If you include update checking.
[21:49] <ntd> unattended-upgrades, update-motd, timedatesync (ofc, should could connect to *some* ntp server, popcon, installation-report, etc, etc etc
[21:50] <ryuo> Oh, that stuff.
[21:50] <ryuo> yea, I noticed the motd is no longer static.
[21:50] <ntd> apport, whoopsie
[21:50] <ryuo> to be fair though some of that is Debian.
[21:50] <ryuo> popcon i think
[21:50] <ntd> snap
[21:51] <TJ-> Irritiable|LT: resolvconf is responsible for /etc/resolv.conf (which is a symlink) if it contains <IP_ADDRESS> it means systemd-resolved is the system resolver; if <IP_ADDRESS> then it is dnsmasq (usually controlled by network manager). In either case you shouldn't be trying to overwrite resolv.conf, but configuring the respective resolver to use those alternative DNS servers (you can do that in network-manager
[21:51] <TJ-> via the connection editor, IPv4 tab
[21:52] <TheWild> hello
[21:52] <ntd> ofc, systemd-resolved is not capable of resolving hosts with no domain
[21:52] <Irritiable|LT> TJ-: Yes. systemd-resolved is the system revolver.
[21:52] <ntd> so welcome back, dnsmasq
[21:52] <Irritiable|LT> TJ-: Manually adding "<IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>" to the network-manager GUI doesn't solve nor modify the resolv.conf file (which appears to be the only fix for Starbuck's DNS issue).
[21:52] <TheWild> well, I installed all the drivers for Windows and camera still didn't appear. It's not listed in device manager. That "Unknown device" was just free-fall sensor.
[21:52] <ntd> so bionic has the half-baked netplan and resolver
[21:53] <ryuo> TJ-: since when? resolvconf isn't installed anymore afaik.
[21:53] <ryuo> unless this is an upgrade case.
[21:53] <TheWild> no idea whether the camera was working when I bought the laptop
[21:53] <Irritiable|LT> Some unrelated topic about their splash screen hack to bar access to the internet (beyond the router).
[21:53] <Irritiable|LT> ryuo: I'm on Lubuntu. It's used.
[21:53] <ryuo> Oh.
[21:53] <ryuo> Ok.
[21:53] <Irritiable|LT> Lol
[21:55] <Irritiable|LT> TJ-: http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man5/resolv.conf.5.html :o
[21:55] <TJ-> Irritiable|LT: resolv.conf should *not* change, when you change the setting in the GUI connection editor (and reconnect!) the systemd-resolved will use the DNS servers you have configured
[21:57] <TJ-> Irritiable|LT: use "systemd-resolve --status" to see the current config - look at the stanza for your default link
[21:57] <Irritiable|LT> Okay.
[21:59] <Irritiable|LT> TJ-: /etc/systemd/resolved.conf would be the file to edit then (to add a persistent nameserver)?
[22:00] <TJ-> Irritiable|LT: yes
[22:16] <Irritiable|LT> Thanks, TJ-.
[22:16] <Irritiable|LT> Unfortuately: Modifying that file did not persistently add "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" and "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" to the resolv.conf file.
[22:16] <TJ-> Irritiable|LT: as I said, resolv.conf does NOT change
[22:16] <TJ-> Irritiable|LT: that always points to the local resolver
[22:17] <TJ-> Irritiable|LT: "systemd-resolve --status" will show which DNS servers are being used by the local resolver
[22:17] <Irritiable|LT> The only DNS servers being listed are the ones added now, but the problem persists *UNTIL* you modify the resolv.conf file (which is my only objective).
[22:18] <Irritiable|LT> What file(s) or program(s) edit resolv.conf? systemd-resolve doesn't appear to be modifiable so I can add nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>.
[22:18] <TJ-> Irritiable|LT: or you can do "systemd-resolve --status | grep 'DNS Servers'"
[22:18] <TJ-> Irritiable|LT: altering resolv.conf will never work because it is maintained by the system services
[22:18] <Irritiable|LT> Those two are listed at the very top and this is the first *time* I've ever seen any listed (which are now: <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>).
[22:19] <Irritiable|LT> Altering resolv.conf's the only reason I'm online right now. XD
[22:19] <Irritiable|LT> It's why I popped off. I restarted the network manager to see if the changes were persistent.
[22:19] <Irritiable|LT> ... They were not.
[22:19] <Irritiable|LT> In short: The only solution is then a simple BASH script to edit the file for me?
[22:19] <Irritiable|LT> bash/python/perl/etc ?
[22:19] <TJ-> Irritiable|LT: right, but services will replace it at some point. I'm telling you that you're using the wrong approach. configure the tool that brings up the connection, which on desktop is usually Network Manager
[22:20] <Irritiable|LT> Okay. I'll try to Google around for a solution.
[22:20] <Irritiable|LT> Network Manager (AFAIK) is what this distro of Lubuntu uses.
[22:21] <TJ-> Irritiable|LT: I've given it to you twice. Configure the connection. Alter the IPv4 method to be "DHCP (Addresses only) and add your static DNS nameserver IP addresses in the box provided for them
[22:21] <Irritiable|LT> Graphics driver just buggered up. I can't read anything until I log off/on now.
[22:21] <Irritiable|LT> Minute.
[22:26] <Irritiable|LT> TJ-: No. That did not yield any result.
[22:26] <Irritiable|LT> https://aruba.odyssys.net/cgi-bin/login is still unfound (until you manually edit resolv.conf).
[22:27] <TJ-> Irritiable|LT: how to do it is illustrated here, shows the "Automatic (DHCP) Addresses Only" option, which when sleected allows you to set the DNS servers as space-separated dotted decimals  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkManager0.7#IPv4_Settings
[22:27] <Irritiable|LT> TJ-: Yes. I'm aware of that. I already told you: That does not work.
[22:28] <Irritiable|LT> The result is: I'm offline for 5min until I decide to edit resolv.conf.
[22:29] <TJ-> Irritiable|LT: that's beause the DNS zone for odyssys.net is misconfigured
[22:29] <Irritiable|LT> Adding: nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> automagically fixes it.
[22:34] <TJ-> Irritiable|LT: it doesn't fix the fact the zone file is not correct; what you're getting is presumably a cached result from the google DNS infrastructure
[22:40] <TJ-> Irritiable|LT: I don't get a result from <IP_ADDRESS> for that host, so I think you've got a cache remnant
[22:53] <mzaza> After editing openvpn server.conf my client can't connect
[22:54] <mzaza> Oct 07 22:53:55 ip-172-31-4-201 ovpn-server[760]: Authenticate/Decrypt packet error: packet HMAC authentication failed
[22:54] <mzaza> Oct 07 22:53:55 ip-172-31-4-201 ovpn-server[760]: TLS Error: incoming packet authentication failed from [AF_INET]<IP_ADDRESS>:1201
[22:54] <blakes5> Hey all. I'm attempting to add a new drive to a logical volume, but I'm having trouble with pvcreate recognizing the device. The setup is I'm encrypting the drive, opening the encrypted volume then using pvcreate to create the LV partition. Then I will extend the VG to that partition. I'm running a manual mirrored set of 2 JBOD arrays. The main JBOD I was able to add the new drive without a problem. This mirrored JBOD is the one I'm having
[22:54] <blakes5> problem's with. pvcreate is reporting that "device /dev/mapper/mediaBackup5 not found(or ignored by filtering). pvcreate recognizes the disk as it will prompt to overwrite the luks volume. It just won't see the mapped luks volume.
[22:58] <TJ-> blakes5: pvcreate doesn't do anything about LVs
[22:59] <TJ-> blakes5: sounds like you've got a filter defined that is matching on the name of the device-mapper node
[23:03] <TJ-> blakes5: try "grep filter /etc/lvm/lvm.conf" - any lines not starting with a # comment ?
[23:15] <dman777> I have 18.04 server edition where I installed X. my non root user can not access /dev/tty0 (permission denied). How do I fix this?
[23:16] <dman777> startx works fine...it is only with xinit
[23:16] <ryuo> dman777: why would they need to?
[23:17] <dman777> ryuo: because xinit is runnig parse_vt_settings where it gives /dev/tty0 (permission denied)
[23:17] <ryuo> It probably expects to be run as root. why do you need xinit?
[23:18] <dman777> ryuo: i have always used xinit to get into X(past 10 years). I have a custom xinitrc file that I use. What is wrong with usinng xinit?
[23:19] <ryuo> dman777: Nothing I guess. I always had better luck with startx.
[23:19] <subcool> Can someone help me. My plasmadesktop keeps crashing and i lose use of my start menu and etc.
[23:19] <ryuo> That and most get into X these days with a DM...
[23:19] <subcool> baloo keeps crashing, dolpihn crashes when i transfer stuff on my nfs. :/
[23:20] <ryuo> subcool: maybe they shouldn't have dropped out of pilot school. :p
[23:21] <ryuo> subcool: but in all seriousness...
[23:21] <subcool> :)
[23:21] <ryuo> subcool: are you up to date?
[23:21] <subcool> yeah?
[23:21] <subcool> i update/upgrade 10 times yesterday
[23:21] <subcool> this is a fresh install, but minimal use.
[23:22] <ryuo> subcool: you may not like my suggestion, but I stopped using KDE due to instabilities. 16.04 also suffered from random crashes.
[23:22] <ryuo> Yet any of the flavor based on GTK+ are pretty much stable.
[23:23] <subcool> i am useing kubuntu
[23:23] <ryuo> subcool: so, pick your poison I guess. I never found a resolution for my KDE issues on kubuntu or neon.
[23:23] <subcool> sorry, forgot to mention my stats, but- its kinda senseless.
[23:23] <ryuo> So I just gave up and went back to cinnamon.
[23:23] <subcool> im old... never heard of it,,
[23:23] <subcool> i only pop in every year or two.
[23:23] <ryuo> subcool: it's the default environment for Linux Mint.
[23:23] <subcool> ah.
[23:23] <TJ-> subcool: might be worth asking in #kubuntu
[23:24] <ryuo> subcool: but, Ubuntu MATE could be a viable choice for you. it can mimic a number of common desktop layouts.
[23:24] <subcool> no one ever answers in there.
[23:24] <ryuo> but KDE5 is a giant turd on nearly every distribution i've tried it on.
[23:24] <ryuo> no offense, but that's the reality i saw.
[23:24] <subcool> i just do kde, because when ever i have a graphicially intense setup, it crashes and burns over and over.
[23:25] <subcool> TJ, what do you think? ive seen you on here forever..
[23:25] <ryuo> I decided to launch a full screen program. Guess what happens? Plasma crashes.
[23:25] <ryuo> FUN.
[23:25] <ryuo> Not.
[23:25] <subcool> whats the linux distro of the year
[23:25] <ryuo> subcool: on distrowatch, LM is the most popular Ubuntu derivative...
[23:25] <subcool> yeah, thats what im saying, its been buggy.
[23:26] <subcool> hhmm, k.
[23:26] <ryuo> subcool: and all i'm saying is your best bet is to use something else.
[23:26] <subcool> ill give it a go. thanks.
[23:26] <subcool> what the top gui interface?
[23:26] <subcool> whats*
[23:26] <ryuo> Eh... it's a toss up.
[23:26] <subcool> between?
[23:26] <TJ-> subcool: one that works?
[23:26] <ryuo> If you're an older user, you'll probably want to avoid the hipster DEs.
[23:26] <ryuo> Like... Budgie.
[23:27] <ryuo> or GNOME.
[23:27] <tgm4883> Can this get moved to #ubuntu-discuss?
[23:27] <subcool> gnome and i dont get along.
[23:27] <ryuo> Sure, sorry.
[23:27] <TJ-> subcool: I prefer to dedicate CPU/GPU to actual work not fancy frills shadows fades etc
[23:40] <Irritiable|LT> TJ-: I don't remember what sites, but: It's been blatantly stated that Starbuck's Google Wifi has some bugs.
[23:40] <Irritiable|LT> If you register more than one device with the same e-mail: It'll no longer work (as it should).
[23:45] <someone_> Why when I want remove one of kde packages such as ksysguard then synaptic will remove full kubuntu package that means most of kde packages?!
[23:45] <ryuo> someone_: dependencies.
[23:48] <TJ-> someone_: look at the reverse dependencies with "apt-cache rdepends ksysguard"
[23:52] <jongar> What the hell. apt install -y php7.2 installed apache2 on my Ubuntu 18.04 server
[23:54] <someone_> TJ- What reverse dependencies means ? does it mean the larger packages will been removed when a small package removed ? although the other packages do not need the small package in anything