[01:11] <jrgifford> thafreak: do you accept TeX?
[01:11] <jrgifford> (as documentation)
[21:38] <Unit193> thafreak: Found one of your students in the support channel. :P


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[03:01] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
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[03:51] <hggdh> folks, I have just set +r on the channel
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: found their way to discuss now
[03:51] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: in a LOT of other channels as well
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> tnx ill spread the word if needed hggdh
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: all ubuntu, or just freenode?
[03:52] <hggdh> many IRC providers, many channels
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> wow
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: im working togheter with mquin from freenode with nmap results
[03:53] <hggdh> good
[03:53] <hggdh> this will need a lot of effort
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> yeah looks like advanced and big linux botnet
[03:55] <lotuspsychje> welcome mehhinator
[03:55] <mehhinator> Hey. Thanks for the pointer towards here. :)
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> mehhinator: the idea is we talk tech stuff here, to have a better support in main
[03:56] <mehhinator> So if I have actual HOWTO questions, I should still go to ask where I was to begin with? :P
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> mehhinator: ubuntu support issues still fit in #ubuntu
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> mehhinator: discussion on ubuntu here
[04:01] <mehhinator> I'm not quite sure where the draw the line with my questions, though. There's a fair bit of 'how to approach this' as opposed to more concrete problems.
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> mehhinator: its ok to discuss ubuntu here+ questions as long as you keep in mind, to get real support #ubuntu fits better
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> mehhinator: the questions we ask here, are like more techy, to make a better support
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> mehhinator: what kind of questions do you have exactly?
[04:05] <mehhinator> OK. Here's one, then. I just got a dualboot/vbox ubuntu system working, and now I want to polish it. I've got a couple of other drives, which depending on the bootmode, should be either mounted as drives, or through samba shares. I looked at autofs, but I think that's more aimed towards mounting-as-you-access.
[04:06] <mehhinator> Is there some way to do a fstab 'if uuid exists, mount like this, otherwise use a samba share for that mountpoint?'
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> mehhinator: well that would indeed fit better in #ubuntu
[04:07] <mehhinator> Haha, thought so :)
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> mehhinator: or #samba or #vbox :p
[04:11] <mehhinator> That's how you get stuck into an eternal loop. "Nope, that's a Vbox issue." "Nope, that depends on your distro, talk to them." "Definitely not, go check with Samba." And so forth. :D
[04:11] <mehhinator> I'll putter along a bit more :)
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> yeah sometimes there a thin red line :p
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> mehhinator: can this help? https://askubuntu.com/questions/157128/proper-fstab-entry-to-mount-a-samba-share-on-boot
[04:29] <mehhinator> That's just the mounty bit in fstab, right? Definitely useful, but I think I already have something similar in another old ubuntu VM. It does not include the approach to 'check uuid, and mount based on availability'
[04:31] <mehhinator> But maybe I can marry the approaches. Write static mounts for /media/internal/smb-ohm and /media/internal/part-ohm, and use some sort of boot script to test whether the first mounted successfully.
[04:31] <mehhinator> (Ohm being the label for the partition in question.)
[04:32] <mehhinator> And then I could have /media/ohm symlink to the proper internal mountpoint.
[04:33] <mehhinator> Reckon that is a valid approach? And if so, what layer of the systemd boot process should I stick my symlinking logic into?
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> mehhinator: idle here a bit, when the crew wakes up they might know some
[04:54] <mehhinator> Will do. I'm staring at systemd, but I'm properly overwhelmed. Besides several different targets seemingly being what I need, I don't even know if it is the right approach. :)
[04:55] <Bashing-om> This piece of this crew is off - \o .. laters .
[06:39] <ducasse> good morning
[06:48] <mehhinator> Good morning ducasse.
[06:48] <ducasse> \o
[08:51] <EriC^^> morning all
[09:57] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[09:57] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[09:58] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj
[09:58] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje, ducasse
[09:59] <ducasse> welcome to the mansion of spam
[10:00] <BluesKaj> oh, still ?
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> yeah even in discuss enabled +r
[10:04]  * BluesKaj needs more coffee, ignores the spam for now
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> :p
[10:13] <tomreyn> if we set +r we should also set +f #ubuntu-unregged
[10:45] <tomreyn> TJ-: by the way (i dont think i told you, yet), i tried playing with the ACPI OSI string as discussed on your blog some weeks ago, on a ryzen 1800x system, and it stopped it made it freeze during the early boot.
[10:45] <tomreyn> s/it stopped//
[10:45] <daftykins> :D
[10:46] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: the discuss crew asked not to use unregged anymore, as main became dead
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> users dropped, and support was dead
[10:47] <tomreyn> oh, hadn't imagined this.
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> of course, when not use unregged, we get also alot of spammers and trolls too :p
[10:47] <tomreyn> my main, do you mean #ubuntu ?
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[10:47] <tomreyn> *by
[10:47] <daftykins> hard to tell the difference between trolls and normal #u question askers ;)
[10:48] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: but i'm not suggetsing changes to #ubuntu, just to # ubuntu-discuss
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: ah kk, do you think alot of unregs come discuss?
[10:51] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: my point is that this channel, #uubntu-discuss, is currently set to +r, so only registered users can join. when they try, they will fall flat on their face with a non-helpful error message. io'm suggesting to instead forward unregged users to #ubuntu-unregged while this channel remains in mode +r
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> yea i understand :p
[10:51] <tomreyn> ok, wasnt sure ;)
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> first lunch ttyl :p
[10:52] <tomreyn> i assume some unregged will try to come discuss here on in #offtopic, yes
[10:52] <tomreyn> ttyl
[10:57] <TJ-> tomreyn: just noticed your acpi_osi comment. So masquerading as Windows XXXX caused it to freeze. That tells us the Windows drivers must have a specific workaround in them that the ACPI DSDT expects to give it something vital
[10:58] <TJ-> tomreyn: Ahhh, don't you just love how firmware devs are no longer engineers, and just paper over the cracks in a single OS instead of fixing their %^&*!
[10:59] <TJ-> tomreyn: might be interesting (academically1) to disassenble the DSDT and related SSDTs see if the code can be identified
[11:10] <tomreyn> TJ-: i'll be happy to provide it if there's demand, but might need instructions.
[11:10] <tomreyn> unfortunately i lack the time for this type of research ;-)
[11:10] <daftykins> Ryzen systems have been a bit flaky even for Windows folks i've found
[11:11] <tomreyn> it's stable for me since amd had mainboard vendors introduce that bios workaround to what seems to be a cpu bug.
[11:13] <tomreyn> or maybe it's a firmware bug originally really, not sure.
[11:13] <tomreyn> unfortunately i also had an epyc server freeze that way the other day
[11:15] <tomreyn> and it doesn't have that bios option, but has the common server bios option of 'full performance' or 'optimised' (some power saving), defaulting to the latter. and since switching to 'full performance' it hasn't frozen again.
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> hey oerheks
[11:42] <tomreyn> TJ-: btw i think you have one (repeated) syntax issue on the acpi_osi article: you suggest to use '"acpi_osi=Windows 2015"', but i needed to use  'acpi_osi="Windows 2015"' to make it actually use it.
[11:43] <TJ-> tomreyn: the kernel doesn't care where the double-quotes are
[11:44] <TJ-> you can do "acpi_osi=Windows XXXX" or "acpi_osi="Windows XXXX" - the entire string is the parameter the kernel parses, where spaces separate parameters
[11:44] <TJ-> oops... or: acpi_osi="Windowx XXXX"  - got too happy with the " there
[12:14] <tomreyn> hmm, okay, then i must have made some mistake since i don't think it actually handled "acpi_osi=Windows 2015" when i tried that
[12:14] <tomreyn> i dont remember how it treated it, though, been a while.
[12:29] <TJ-> it works the same as the shell, a parameter is a continuous sequence of non-whitespace characters where 'non-space' includes anything surrounded by quotes
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> afternoon pragmaticenigma
[13:04] <pragmaticenigma> howdy
[14:57] <mehhinator> lotuspsychje: Thanks for your help earlier. I managed to jury-rig together a custom auto-mounter that does what I need it to.  It probably contains all top 10 linux bash scripting anti-patterns, and then some. :D
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> dont worry, i dont mess with samba anyway
[15:11] <mehhinator> That's what I lost two hours on. Turns out I didn't need samba anyways: VirtualBox has its own share mechanism with its own filesystem.
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> ah
[15:12] <mehhinator> Probably for the better; this is a lot more stable.
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> :p
[15:40] <nicomachus> Was thinking about tweaking this GTK theme a bit to get a different highlight color on selected items, but the entirety of the GTK CSS file is "@import url("resource:///org/numixproject/gtk-3.20/dist/gtk.css");"
[15:41] <nicomachus> -_-
[16:37] <pragmaticenigma> wierd nicomachus ... wonder where resource: points to
[16:39] <pragmaticenigma> here ya go nicomachus https://github.com/numixproject/numix-gtk-theme/tree/master/src
[18:53] <nicomachus> pragmaticenigma: I found that a bit after sending that. Thanks though.
[22:58] <tomreyn> TJ-: where were we just talking about polkit-1? i seem to have lost my log
[22:58] <tomreyn> oh -hardened
[22:58] <tomreyn> sorry


[02:24] <Toma-> Is there a GTK theme builder/gui?
[08:48] <lapo> hi
[08:49] <zniavre> hello / bonjour
[09:55] <KidProQuo> does anyone know which icons (name and size) are used in the splash screen between GDM and the desktop?
[10:31] <SloggerKhan> Thought I'd share this 'cause I amused myself with it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=638517
[12:50] <cursor> hey
[14:20] <cursor> whens the next meeting?
[14:23] <_MMA_> cursor: Ill look. Did you sign up on the mailing list?
[14:24] <cursor> yeah just today
[14:24] <cursor> i've had a look on the meeting section for artwork , and it says next meeting 1st of december
[14:24] <cursor> think im a bit late haha
[14:25] <kwwii> the next meeting should be some time around the beginning of january
[14:25] <cursor> okay thanks
[14:25] <kwwii> not sure what is best, as I will be in america on holiday
[14:26] <kwwii> there will be a bunch of info coming out soon
[14:26] <kwwii> the art direction, plans, etc
[14:26] <kwwii> we might need to have a special meeting in a week or so
[14:26] <cursor> oh nice , yeah i was just wondering what was going on really
[14:29] <cursor> what happens with Derivatives of ubuntu , is the art direction for those decided by them or you?
[14:29] <kwwii> they decide it for themselves
[14:29] <kwwii> although I do the kubuntu artwork as well
[14:30] <andreasn> ubuntu studio have a pretty clear vision where they want to go for example
[14:30] <kwwii> but if someone else wanted to do kubuntu, I would gladly let them :-)
[14:30] <andreasn> not sure about xubuntu
[14:30] <kwwii> yeah, the ubuntu-studio stuff is very well planned and executed
[14:31] <cursor> ah i see , id of thought you would define an overall specification to keep everything consistant
[14:31] <kwwii> nope, we have discussed that sort of thing before but there is little interest in that
[14:32] <cursor> though i surpose one of the reasons for having various Derivatives is to have on to suit everyone , including the art and feel of them
[14:32] <cursor> *one
[14:32] <kwwii> right
[14:46] <Cursor101> damm wireless networking
[14:48]  * _MMA_ holds his breath until he gets his ping 'n teal default Ubuntu theme.
[14:48] <_MMA_> *pink
[14:48] <Cursor101> lol
[14:48] <Cursor101> pink and teal
[14:52] <Cursor101> _MMA_: when you gonna start moving things on with ubuntu studio artwork?,once the ubuntu direction n so has been decided?
[14:56] <_MMA_> cursor: Since the DIY concept didnt receive much help its been shelved for now. Ill work on it as I have time. The hardy work is half-done and Im pretty much handling it internally. Ill post the final stuff once its done.
[14:57] <_MMA_> Only thing I was waiting on Ubuntu was for the icons but they arent changing this cycle so we wont either. Ive been adding some myself but no major changes.
[14:58] <cursor> ahh pitty , thought people would like the DIY concept , different to the normal glossy effect thats found everywhere now
[14:58] <cursor> haha
[14:58] <cursor> i had a look at some of the work already done it looks pretty good
[14:58] <_MMA_> Oh people like it. But just like Ubuntu not many people willing to work with a team or work at all. Just lip-service.
[15:00] <cursor> oo right , well i dont mind doing something to help. To be honest it probably wont be the best work as i've rarely done any themeing in ubuntu but still
[15:00] <_MMA_> Nothing against you personally, but that also common. You have to start somewhere. ;)
[15:01] <_MMA_> *that's
[15:01] <cursor> haha yup
[15:02] <cursor> i have done quite a bit of work for a freelance company but that was mainly webdesign
[15:02] <cursor> also it was cuban based so language became a problem
[15:06] <cursor> but yeah im confident with the graphics side its just ow the whole gnome theming system works that i not got to grips with haha
[15:10] <andreasn> _MMA_: lip-service? like all talk and no hockey?
[15:10] <_MMA_> Correct.
[15:10] <andreasn> never heard that expression before
[15:11] <andreasn> but I'll make sure to remember it, it can come handy :)
[15:11] <cursor> me neither , nor all talk no hockey haha
[15:12] <cursor> though im from uk soo hockeys not a very popular sport
[15:12] <_MMA_> Hmm... I woulda though tit was common. Maybe just an English (language) thing.
[15:12] <cursor> sadly
[15:12] <andreasn> well, the hockey thing is translated directly from swedish
[15:13] <cursor> ooo right
[16:06] <zniavre> hello i got a problems with a mod theme 1first how to get checboxe with darker font 2second how to deletre a small line between menubar and toolbar please?
[16:06] <zniavre> http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7134/testvj6.jpg
[18:34] <lapo> hi
[19:11] <Cimi> kwwii, http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine/
[19:13] <_MMA_> Slick Cimi. ;)
[20:21] <Cimi> http://www.cimitan.com/blog/wp-content/murrine_rgba-3.jpg <-- update