[03:38] <vmussa> hello everyone
[03:39] <vmussa> I have a small SDD disk and I'm thinking about installing Xubuntu on it or in the HDD
[03:40] <vmussa> is there any possibilities of ruining SSD?
[03:40] <vmussa> if I do something wrong?
[03:45] <pleia2> works fine for me
[03:45] <pleia2> been using xubuntu on my netbook ssd for almost 5 years, and my new desktop has an ssd that I put xubuntu on, very fast, it's lovely :)
[03:47] <vmussa> pleia2, I see. Cool!
[03:47] <vmussa> pleia2, but I'm worried about messing up the SSD, since I was told that there is things you can do that will mess it up
[03:48] <vmussa> and I'm very much a newbie
[03:48] <pleia2> I don't know anything about that
[03:48] <vmussa> so the chances of doing something wrong are good haha
[03:48] <pleia2> I don't really mess around with overclocking or anything crazy on my hardware
[03:49] <vmussa> Hmm
[03:49] <vmussa> the thing is that I want to install it alongside windows 8
[03:50] <vmussa> and I'm thinking of installing it in the HDD but I'm not sure how
[03:50] <pleia2> in the installer you can select where you want to install it
[03:51] <vmussa> cool
[03:52] <vmussa> the fact that it is lighter than Ubuntu has something to do with the hard disk too or only RAM?
[03:53] <vmussa> I mean Xubuntu on HDD will still be faster than Ubuntu on HDD?
[03:55] <pleia2> ram and cpu
[03:55] <pleia2> there aren't any optimizations for hdd
[03:58] <vmussa> I see
[03:58] <vmussa> thank you pleia2!
[04:01] <[0gb_us]> The Ubuntu Software Center, apt-get, and the Software Updater all crash as soon as I start them. Is there a way to repair this, or do I have to reinstall Xubuntu again? This seems to happen to me every few months ....
[04:02] <[0gb_us]> I'm tired of re-installing Xubuntu. Any advice on how to not have to is greatly appreciated.
[04:03] <nerdtron> [0gb_us], sudo apt-get update, any errors?
[04:03] <[0gb_us]> No errors, just a crash after line three.
[04:04] <[0gb_us]> Oops, I thought you said 'upgrade'. Trying 'update' now.
[04:06] <[0gb_us]> That seemed to have fixed it, though the impending software updates were lost to the void. I swear I tried that last time, and I had this issue with no effect ....
[04:06] <[0gb_us]> Anyway, thanks nerdtron!
[04:07] <nerdtron> always remember to update first then upgrade
[04:08] <[0gb_us]> I was using the graphical interface when this all started. I was trying to use the software center.
[04:09] <[0gb_us]> i would use apt-get exclusively, as it lists dependencies before installation, but if you don't know the name of what you're looking for, apt-get can't help you.
[04:09] <[0gb_us]> *I
[04:11] <nerdtron> [0gb_us], yes you can
[04:11] <nerdtron> apt-get cache search web browser
[04:12] <yeyeman> what the ...
[04:12] <[0gb_us]> Trying ...
[04:12] <nerdtron> apt-get cache show girefox
[04:12] <nerdtron> apt-get cache show firefox
[04:12] <nerdtron> sorry
[04:12] <nerdtron> apt-cache search web browser
[04:12] <yeyeman> slightly rotating the sound cord seems to change system volume
[04:12] <yeyeman> haven't seen this before
[04:13] <nerdtron> [0gb_us], apt-cache search web browser
[04:13] <nerdtron> i had a typo :)
[04:14] <nerdtron> yeyeman, how does it change? mute to unmute?
[04:14] <yeyeman> nerdtron, no full vol to half vol
[04:14] <[0gb_us]> "apt-cache search web browser" dumps a little data to the console, but nothing else happens, and "apt-cache search firefox" seems to do nothing at all.
[04:16] <nerdtron> apt-cache search firefox no entries at all??? i have at least 100
[04:16] <nerdtron> what version are you using?
[04:16] <[0gb_us]> Not no entries, just very few.
[04:17] <[0gb_us]> Version of what, Xubuntu? 12.04.*
[04:17] <nerdtron> yes, try apt-cache show firefox and it will show you the info on firefox before you install it..
[04:17] <[0gb_us]> Oh, for "firefox"? Yeah, no entries at all.
[04:18] <nerdtron> oh...hmmm haven't tried it as i have 13.04
[04:18] <[0gb_us]> I tried searching for "leveldb" and "leveldb-dev", and no info there either.
[04:19] <[0gb_us]> Anyway, you still seem to need to know the package name to find it, which was the original reason I'm not using apt-get for general work anyway.
[04:20] <nerdtron> yes..that is why synaptic and software center are included in the GUI..on a server, apt-get is what i use
[04:22] <[0gb_us]> Software Center has the issue of not telling you what else you're installing when you try to install one application - an issue fixed in GNU/Linux Mint. I'll look into Synaptic.
[04:23] <[0gb_us]> Synaptic seems to fail to list dependencies as well.
[04:24] <[0gb_us]> Never mind, it just doesn't list them on the main page. This will work. Thank you!
[04:44] <[0gb_us]> Sorry to keep posting problems, but I have another. I select all files in my home directory, right click, and try to make an archive. After a few seconds, I'm told that permission is denied, though it won't be specific and tell me if a particular file or directory is the issue.
[06:12] <nerdtron> [0gb_us], chmod everything?
[06:14] <kj5t> [0gb_us]: Probably the easiest thing to do, assuming these files are on your local system is just to chown them to your user and group
[06:14] <[0gb_us]> I tried that. It seems to be aliases that are the issue. Instead of reporting that there is a symlink that it doesn't like, it reports a permission error. Even if the symlink points to something I do have permission to use.
[06:15] <[0gb_us]> So permission errors were never the issue, the system was just lying to me.
[06:15] <nerdtron> hmm maybe you don't have write permissions on where you want to save the tar file?
[06:16] <[0gb_us]> I do. If I save to the same directory without the symlink, it works.
[06:18] <[0gb_us]> Now I'm dealing with some other error that kills the archive when I try to compress all my files. i'm having to add my files to the archive one directory at a time to try to see which directory has the error. and doing so is slow, because the archiver reads the whole archive, adds the directory of files, re-compresses, and repeats.
[06:19] <[0gb_us]> If I could compress them all in one go, it'd be way faster.
[06:48] <nerdtron> [0gb_us], what is your command to create a tar file?
[07:00] <[0gb_us]> nerdtron, not a command. I select all directories (control + a), right click, and choose "make archive".
[07:01] <nerdtron> are you including hidden directories?
[07:01] <[0gb_us]> Yes I am.
[07:01] <nerdtron> maybe some of the hidden folder causes errors.. i say its the .ssh folder
[07:02] <[0gb_us]> .ssh is successfully in the archive.
[07:02] <nerdtron> don't include hidden directories in your backup...why do you need them anyway?
[07:03] <[0gb_us]> Much of my data is in these so-called hidden directories.
[07:03] <[0gb_us]> I forget what all is in there, but there are game saves and plugins I built.
[07:04] <[0gb_us]> And my system settings.
[07:05] <[0gb_us]> So far, only symlink files seem to be the issue, and not all of those are (were) in hidden directories.
[07:06] <[0gb_us]> Oh yeah, there's also the virtual machine I was using for homework. VirtualBox puts those in a hidden directory.
[07:06] <[0gb_us]> So much would be lost if I ignored hidden directories in my backups.
[07:11] <well_laid_lawn> https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/can-i-back-up-hidden-files-using-tar-498684/
[07:13] <[0gb_us]> I wasn't using tar though, and hidden directories are backing up with no difficulty. It's symlinks and only symlinks that will not back up properly.
[07:14] <well_laid_lawn> man <whateveryouareusing> and see what it says about symlinks
[07:14] <[0gb_us]> That might work. Thanks!
[07:14] <[0gb_us]> Now I just need to figure out what I'm using, but I can probably find that in the menu.
[07:15] <elfy> if it's the default gui archiver it's file-roller I believe
[07:15] <elfy> and it says absolutely nothing about symlinks in the man page
[07:15] <[0gb_us]> "Exec=file-roller %U", yep, that would be it.
[07:16] <[0gb_us]> Drats.
[07:17] <elfy> I just created one with a symlink successfully
[07:17] <[0gb_us]> Huh ... I wonder why it's failing for me then ...
[07:18] <well_laid_lawn> file-roller would just be an interface to different archiving apps afaik
[07:18] <elfy> try running it from a terminal - see if that points to the error
[07:19] <elfy> well_laid_lawn: it is - uses tar etc to do the work
[07:19] <[0gb_us]> Check your archive. Did it compress the symlink or did it follow the link and compress the contents of the other directory? THat's what it does for me when I try to compress only one file and it is a symlink.
[07:20] <elfy> [0gb_us]: it id both - archived the link AND the link target
[07:20] <[0gb_us]> I'll try once the non-command line copy stops running. Running two instances would be a bad idea, one instance is already eating a lot of my power.
[07:20] <[0gb_us]> Resources, I should say, not power.
[07:22] <[0gb_us]> Wait ... I don't even know how to run this from the command line. I could enter "file-roller', but that doesn't tell the application what files to compress the way the right click menu does.
[07:23] <elfy> it starts it - then you use the gui to set up the archive
[07:25] <[0gb_us]> The GUI doesn't seem to be able to add multiple files.
[07:25] <[0gb_us]> I can't add a single directory, as the directory is ~, and I don't have somewhere outside ~ to save it to.
[07:28] <elfy> seems not
[07:29] <[0gb_us]> I think I remember tar having the same problem for me in the past ... Perhaps tar doesn't like my system.
[07:30] <elfy> good luck - I'm off now
[07:30] <[0gb_us]> G'night!
[07:30] <elfy> I wish - it's 830am - work calls :p
[07:30] <[0gb_us]> Good luck then!
[07:30] <elfy> :)
[07:38] <cultavix> good morning
[07:38] <cultavix> just wanted to say that I am loving Xubuntu
[07:43] <wachira> bluetooth manager keeps on crashing on my xubuntu
[07:43] <wachira> any help
[08:10] <well_laid_lawn> wachira:  what happens if you start the bluetooth manager from a terminal ?
[08:11] <cfhowlett> well_laid_lawn, cascade failure resulting in an inter-dimensional rift which allows hostile aliens to enter our realm and enslave the earth.
[08:11] <cfhowlett> or
[08:12] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[08:12] <cfhowlett> starting from terminal or starting from gui results in the same outcome
[08:12] <well_laid_lawn> but it is easy to see why if the error is in a terminal
[08:13] <cfhowlett> well_laid_lawn, that's true..
[09:45] <fdel> I just upgraded to ubuntu 13.04 (xfce 4.10), and gnome-system-manager has a black background in the "resources" tab graphs. Is there a way to make the normal background appear?
[09:45] <fdel> (IIRC I had the same issue in 12.10 but had it fixed somehow; just can't find the link anymore)
[09:54] <knome> fdel, sounds like a possible theming issue
[09:57] <nerdtron> fdel, fresh install or dist-upgrade?
[09:58] <fdel> upgrade
[09:58] <fdel> from 12.10
[10:04] <fdel> knome, nerdtron: http://tinypic.com/r/10f9mj4/5
[10:05] <knome> fdel, yep, looks like a theming issue.
[10:05] <knome> fdel, file a bug against shimmer-themes
[10:07] <fdel> knome: I use Xfce-smooth style. Oddly as I try other styles, sometimes the normal appearance "appears", but when closing/reopening the syst manager, the problem comes back
[10:12] <nerdtron> fdel, i have no idea.. sorry, at least that is your only issue in upgrading your system...i have no luck in terms of in place upgrades.. i alway sdo fresh install
[10:14] <fdel> knome: dpkg -S says Xfce-smooth is in /usr/share/themes/Xfce-smooth/gtk-2.0/gtkrc
[10:14] <fdel> so I guess a gtk2/3 issue
[10:14] <fdel> I mean in gtk2-engines-xfce package
[10:15] <koegs> how can i add a new user with encrypted home?
[10:16] <koegs> the standard-dialog does not have that option
[10:52] <yeyeman> which version of skype should I choose?
[10:53] <kj5t> yeyeman: I am running <IP_ADDRESS> and it is working well on 13.04
[10:57] <yeyeman> the previous version I had would crash randomly
[10:57] <yeyeman> and worse, crash reliably if I tried to call or accept a call
[12:25] <Monkeytoe> I am synergy to allow one keyboard/mouse to control multiple desktops. My linux desktop is one of those. It works fine except for when I start the linux computer up. Right now I just have synergy set in the program autostart menu which means it does not sync the keyboard/mouse until after the user login is complete. How can I get the command /usr/bin/synergyc <IP_ADDRESS> to run before the user login is prompted?
[12:25] <Monkeytoe> *I am using synergy
[12:28] <koegs> Monkeytoe: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynergyHowto#Autostart_Synergy_before_logging_in_.28LightDM.29
[12:29] <Monkeytoe> nice !
[12:29] <Monkeytoe> so LightDM is the desktop manager xubuntu uses?
[12:29] <koegs> Monkeytoe: yes
[12:29] <knome> the login manager, yes
[12:54] <xubuntu289> Hi all I am using xubuntu 13.04 with the latest AMD stable display driver and the 3.9.13 kernel and when I restart or shutdown I get black and blue stripes
[13:00] <Monkeytoe> sweet it worked, thanks koegs :)
[13:02] <Monkeytoe> one other question... I have my desktop configured as a dual monitor... I moved my panel to the right monitor so that is where my whiskermenu and application icons are... the only issue I have with that is when I right click a program or file and hit "add to desktop" it adds it to the left monitor instead of the right. I cant for the life of me figure out how to set the right monitor as the main monitor and then extend the desktop of
[13:02] <Monkeytoe> f to the left in catalyst control panel. Is there any way to specify which monitor to place new icons on?
[13:29] <ruien> Hello all. I'm using Xubuntu 13.04, and for the first time plugged in a second monitor. After booting into xfce, my panels look completely wrong, similar to a very vanilla Xfce session, and many icons are missing. Changing the "Style" in "Settings Manager -> Appearance" has no effect. The problem is reversible -- remove the second monitor, and after booting everything looks completely normal. Has anyone seen this before?
[13:35] <ruien> Okay, I fixed it. Strangely, restarting has no effect at all, but logging out, logging into a new user with default configuration, then logging out and logging back into my own user fixed the problem.
[14:53] <horrow> hello guys
[15:12] <GridCube> !hi | horrow
[17:19] <doug_> what is the substitute for ctrl+alt+-> (right arrow). I want to move a window to another workspace
[17:20] <Pici> usually ctrl+alt+shift+->
[17:20] <bgardner> Or right click title, 'Move to another workspace'
[17:21] <doug_> sorry, it was my fault. I am trying ctrl+alt+shift+-> but it isn't working
[17:21] <doug_> I am using bgardner solution atm, but I would like to use my keyboard
[17:22] <Sysi> doug_: see window manager settings, you can actually set combination there and see the default
[17:22] <bgardner> doug_: Check Settings->Window Manager->Keyboard->Move Window to ...
[17:25] <doug_> it is set to alt+ctrl+KP_1
[17:25] <doug_> what would be kp1?
[17:25] <doug_> oh no, sorry
[17:25] <doug_> it is alt+ctrl+home
[17:25] <doug_> alt+ctrl+end
[17:25] <doug_> what a weird combination, but I like it
[17:27] <doug_> anyways, any idea of what is KP_1?
[17:27] <Pici> 1 on your keypad
[17:27] <bgardner> doug_: Key pad 1
[17:28] <doug_> so I can have 9 workspaces and send the window directly to them
[17:28] <doug_> thanks guys
[18:00] <l01> it seems I cannot set the date on 12.10: after a couple of seconds, it returns back to today. Is this a bug?
[18:00] <GridCube> probably you dont understand how to set time in linux
[18:01] <GridCube> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-set-date-time-from-linux-command-prompt/
[18:02] <l01> GridCube: date -s gives the same behavior.
[18:03] <l01> also does --set=
[18:05] <l01> Never mind, it's VirtualBox Guest Additions http://askubuntu.com/questions/35566
[18:38] <xubuntu354> hi, there is any way to set snippets to a keyboard shortcut?? thanks in advance
[19:02] <GridCube> xubuntu354, yes
[19:03] <GridCube> make an executable file, and link it to a keyboard shotrcut
[19:04] <luis__> hello gridcube, i was wondering if there is a way to create a shortcut for text, for example i press ctrl+9 and insert text "hello world"
[19:16] <GridCube> he left?
[22:28] <ciderbat> can anyone here shed some light on a problem I'm having?
[22:28] <knome> !anyone | ciderbat
[22:29] <ciderbat> I reinstalled Xubuntu 12.04 and now it won't load anything past the lightdm login
[22:29] <ciderbat> dropping to TTY and doing "sudo startx" only tells me it's already running
[22:29] <ciderbat> i've installed it twice today to the same problem
[22:33] <GridCube> ciderbat, from a tty run: sudo service lightdm stop
[22:33] <GridCube> then run it back and see if a message changes
[22:35] <ciderbat> thanks. i'll boot and try it then i'll check back here [in live USB currently]
[22:35] <GridCube> ciderbat, you can install irssi and log in from a terminal
[22:35] <GridCube> i mean, log in here
[22:36] <ciderbat> ok. gonna use weechat :)
[22:36] <GridCube> P: same but takes longer to install
[22:43] <ciderbat> i stopped light dm. it said "checking battery state" and then i started it again to the same issue
[22:43] <GridCube> mmhm
[22:44] <GridCube> when you stop the lightdm service you can try the startx
[22:44] <ciderbat> this is very odd since I formatted my root partition and did a clean install
[22:44] <ciderbat> ok, ill try that
[22:44] <GridCube> i don't know
[22:45] <ciderbat> ok i'm in the barebones XFCE X window now
[22:45] <GridCube> interesting
[22:46] <ciderbat> oh no, now i do ctrl alt f7 to go back to it and it's just that "checking battery state" again
[22:46] <ciderbat> oh, nm, it works with f8
[22:46] <GridCube> ciderbat, try deleting the .Xauthoriy and .ICEauthority in your ~/ folder
[22:47] <GridCube> i don't know why but deleting them sometimes fixes booting from lightdm
[22:48] <knome> GridCube, that's related to file permissions - they are flawed at least if you boot with root to the graphical interface (which you shouldn't do)
[22:48] <GridCube> mmkay :)
[22:49] <GridCube> i just know that reseting them by deleting them many times fix failed lightdm sessions
[22:49] <knome> sure
[22:50] <ciderbat> Thank you so much!!!
[22:51] <ciderbat> It all makes sense now. I carried over my /home partition from the previous install, so the problems that were happening with that one were affecting this one since it's in /home and not /
[22:51] <ciderbat> now for many hours of apt-get!
[22:53] <GridCube> o: it fixed you?
[22:53] <GridCube> :D
[22:53] <ciderbat> yes
[22:53] <ciderbat> thank you again!
[22:53] <GridCube> nvm :)
[22:54] <ciderbat> it must have been the same thing causing X11 to go wonky before I reinstalled too
[22:54] <GridCube> prolly
[22:54] <ciderbat> i don't know why it happened. Maybe I shouldn't have merged Xubuntu with "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" and then tried to backpedal. My comp was so messy after that
[22:55] <GridCube> mmmhm
[22:55] <GridCube> sounds about messy
[22:55] <ciderbat> oh that's weird. some of my games are still there
[22:58] <ciderbat> I tend to experiment a lot, but I think this time around I'll try and keep my system clean. Kind of silly to use a light distro and then throw a ton of random stuff at it
[23:16] <JonathanD> Good evening. I'm trying to get the (old) nvidia driver working on an (old) laptop. And I have, except it seems to detect the wrong native resolution for the display and do weird things as a result.
[23:18] <Unit193> JonathanD: Howdy.  And you can't set "Display" in the Settings Manager?
[23:19] <JonathanD> in display it maxes out below the native res.
[23:19] <JonathanD> It's not centered, either, it's top-left with weird corruption in the lower and right borders
[23:20] <Unit193> Fun times.  I'm guessing there's an nvidia settings manager, but what I do personally is force the mode with xrandr on startup by adding the mode and switching to it, but pretty sure that's not the best way.  Normally I've used X -configure in a TTY to generate an xorg.conf file, but you can also use a minimal one to set the res (and driver?) you need.
[23:21] <JonathanD> the settings manager doesn't work properly with the older nvidia driver
[23:21] <JonathanD> (nvidia-96)
[23:22] <JonathanD> "The nvidia x driver on ubuntu:0.0 is not new enough to support the nvidia-settings..."
[23:23] <JonathanD> I do have an xorg.conf created by nvidia-xconfig
[23:27] <Unit193> Yep, so I'd start there.
[23:30] <JonathanD> I wonder if it's actually related to the external port. I had to enable twinview w/ clone to get anything to display at all
[23:30] <JonathanD> perhaps the lower res is the max it can push to two displays.
[23:45] <ciderbat> it's day of the xorg issues!


[00:34] <jmarsden> Hawkey: I'm back... was my advice helpful? ;)
[00:37] <Hawkey> well not exactly:D
[00:38] <jmarsden> What have you discovered so far?
[00:38] <Hawkey> i discovered that 100% cpu time is producted when i start my binary via nohup
[00:39] <jmarsden> But not when started from a normal interactive shell prompt?
[00:40] <Hawkey> i connect on my ssh.. when i run app with binary , core one jumps on 100% usage.. when without nohup it's normal
[00:41] <jmarsden> OK.  Does your app ever read input from stdin?  I would expect it is not handling stdin begin connected to /dev/null very well?
[02:43] <Psi-Jack> Okay, here's a curious poll then. What filesystems to users here commonly use?
[02:56] <LoveGuru> ext3/ext2 / raid
[02:57] <hads> ext3 and jfs
[03:18] <LoveGuru> Kamping_Kaiser ?
[03:32] <jmarsden> help /topic
[03:48] <axisys_> how hard is it repartition a live ubuntu server.. i want make a separate partition for /home dir and move it off of / (root) partition
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> axisys, you shouldnt resize live partitions (unless its on lvm iirc)
[03:51] <jtaji> shouldn't be a problem with /home if no users besides root are logged in
[03:51] <LoveGuru> Hay Kamping_Kaiser Welcome :) i m looking for ya :) if u are not bzy :<
[03:51] <jtaji> axisys: pretty easy... add new entry to fstab; mount /dev/<newhomedevice> /mnt; cp -a /home/* /mnt; umount /mnt; mount /home
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> jtaji, sounds like its on / , so unless its moving to a new drive it migh be a problem
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> LoveGuru, you should just ask the channel, if i know, i'll talk  :)
[03:52] <jmarsden> axisys_: Shut down server, boot from live CD, shrink existing / partition, create new ext2fs on freed-up empty space, then do what jtaji suggested, basically.
[03:53] <jmarsden> s/ext2fs/ext3fs/
[03:53] <LoveGuru> Kamping_Kaiser: well i tried :< anyways fine thanx.. i really glad to see ya again :) tx
[03:53] <jtaji> axisys: yep my advice should be preceded by what jmarsden said
[03:53] <jtaji> axisys: then if it's working, you can delete stuff from the /home on your root while in the live system with: mount --bind / /mnt; rm -rf /mnt/home/*; umount /mnt
[03:55] <axisys_> ok.. so has to be booted from cd first.. ok.. no way to adjust the / partition size while running.. that is what I thought.. thanks
[03:55] <jtaji> axisys: right that's the only reason you need to reboot is to resize
[03:56] <axisys_> jtaji: yep
[03:56] <LoveGuru> Well im trying to setup a server, i Just want to know that.. how can i use some custom authorization like. if i add user so first of all that user can't cd or view any other users directories, other thing i want to set diskspace allocated so user can just that allocated space, same thing with compiler authorization without my permission user can't compile or gcc to anything else, can i do that?
[03:58] <jmarsden> LoveGuru: Sounds like you want (a) jails for each user (b) disk quotas and (c) chown 0700 /usr/bin/gcc and all its friends.
[03:58] <LoveGuru> jmarsden: correct
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> d. not install gcc to start with (and put it in a chroot)
[03:59] <jmarsden> LoveGuru: So.. yes, you can do that :)
[04:00] <LoveGuru> jmarsden, well i m learn all those stuff, so how can i ? Please if u have Brief tutorial or info that can help me out with sort of those things? all help really appriciateable.
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> debian hardening guide
[04:02] <jmarsden> Have you already googled for each of them and the two words "ubuntu" and "tutorial" ?  There should be several on chroot jails... I think you can Google as well as I can?  I'll find you a tutorial on disk quotas...
[04:03] <LoveGuru> jmarsden: sure.
[04:03] <LoveGuru> Kamping_Kaiser: debian hardening guide?
[04:06] <jmarsden> LoveGuru: Third hit googling for ubuntu disk quota howto leads to: http://computingtech.blogspot.com/2008/09/ubuntu-linux-disk-quotas.html
[04:07] <jmarsden> LoveGuru: Try googling for debian hardening guide too :-)
[04:07] <LoveGuru> jmarsden: so the debian guide work with ubuntu server? well its sort of debian. but still wanna know ?
[04:08] <jmarsden> The principles are the same, yes.
[04:08] <LoveGuru> Alright Thankyou so much.
[04:08] <LoveGuru> Kamping_Kaiser: thanks you too.
[04:09] <LoveGuru> jmarsden: is there anyhow i can make script,? and put all this thing together and run with each user should it work? or not?
[04:10] <jmarsden> I don't understand the question.  Yes, if you know how to write scripts, you can write them and run them...?
[04:10] <jmarsden> Whether they work depends on how well you wrote them ;)
[04:11] <LoveGuru> ahh .. exactly thats what my question answer is.
[04:11] <LoveGuru> :)
[04:11] <LoveGuru> thankx :)
[04:11] <jmarsden> BTW se http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6309118 for a Ubuntu Hardening Guide
[04:11] <LoveGuru> ahh alright kool ty again :)
[04:11] <jmarsden> No problem.
[04:12] <LoveGuru> u know what.. i would that.. if kinda u guys are helping new comers .. then always *nix rocks n keep rocking :)
[04:12] <LoveGuru> *say
[04:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> LoveGuru, it would be nice if you'd say 'you' not 'u'
[04:15] <LoveGuru> ahh sorry my bad/shortcut language, i will be carefull next time
[04:15] <jpds> !u
[04:16] <jpds> ;-)
[04:16] <LoveGuru> :\
[04:16] <LoveGuru> got it
[04:16] <jpds> LoveGuru: The bot was just a joke. :)
[04:17] <LoveGuru> i won't mind :)
[04:17] <LoveGuru> rule iz rule :) not to be broken
[05:39] <axisys> how do I make the link full duplex? line 517 in my dmesg shows it is half duplex
[05:54] <jmarsden> axisys: It should be autonegotiated with the switch port you are connected to.  Unless you messed with the switch configuration?  Duplex mismatch is bad... see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duplex_mismatch
[05:58] <axisys> jmarsden: looking at the wiki
[06:00] <axisys> how do I find out what my server is set to? also how do I force it full assuming switch is full
[06:00] <jmarsden> Unless you have a configurable switch and played games with it, everything autoconfigures.  I've not had to manually set half duplex/full duplex for... at least 8 years...
[06:01] <jmarsden> Are you seeing the symptoms of duplex mismatch -- VERY slow networking when transferring files, etc?
[06:01] <jmarsden> If not, leave it all alone.
[06:02] <axisys> what tool to check the nic stat beside the dmesg for the server?
[06:04] <jmarsden> I'm not sure, it's been too long.  May be NIC-specific?  grep the log files in /var/log/ maybe?
[06:05] <jmarsden> If the output of ifconfig shows no errors, there is a VERY high probability all is well.
[06:27] <hads> ethtool
[06:28] <axisys> hads: thnx
[06:29] <axisys> my ibm netvista 8305 gets me login prompt but after I put my user name it hangs.. just installed ubuntu 8.10 from alternate ISO.. the splash was nice.. may be gnome issue?
[06:32] <axisys> i cannot even swicth to other psuedo ttys using ctrl-alt-F1
[06:32] <axisys> i just need to install sshd and that is all.. dont care of gui after that
[06:33] <axisys> is there any option i can give it to kernel at grub menu to not start X and just drop me to a shell?
[06:44] <axisys> hmm I did not I could do vga=ask
[06:44] <axisys> let me try
[06:48] <axisys> well that gave a vga option to pick from.. atleast now when I login I see the mouse but no gnome.. how do I tell it to boot w/o any X
[17:39] <axisys_> looking for an article on to setup gmail as the relayhost


[03:37] <malice_> anyone here use a wireless card to connect to the net like one from Cingular?
[09:36] <jldugger> wierd regression from dapper -- my toshiba's Fn keys dont work =(
[09:58] <Treenaks> jldugger: please file a bug, complaints from IRC are easily lost
[10:07] <jldugger> working on it
[10:08] <jldugger> gotta figure out where to file the bug first
[10:08] <jldugger> currently, im going with acpi-support
[10:26] <Infecto> my fn on nc8000 dont work to
[10:26] <Infecto> and i`v got problems with acpi
[10:26] <jldugger> who makes it?
[10:26] <Infecto>  i dont know
[10:26] <jldugger> you know the model number but not the maker?
[10:27] <Infecto> i think thats near acpi
[10:27] <jldugger> HP
[10:27] <Infecto> a laptop
[10:27] <Infecto> HP
[10:27] <Infecto> misonderstund
[10:28] <jldugger> what happens on 'sudo tail -f /var/log/messages' when you press a key
[10:28] <jldugger> ?
[10:29] <Infecto> nothing
[10:29] <Infecto> but ksnpshot works
[10:29] <Infecto> but screen bright and dark not work
[10:29] <jldugger> dont think that one's acpi
[10:29] <matt8806suomi> what is the problem Infecto?
[10:29] <jldugger> ksnpshot
[10:30] <jldugger> but the brightness probably are.
[10:31] <Infecto> matt8806suomi: my problem is that after wake up, if my laptop wake up and :) some times he did, the fan dotn start up
[10:36] <matt8806suomi> bugger, can't help you much there, sorry Infecto
[10:51] <matt8806suomi> anyone know what are some battery extending tweaks for ubuntu
[10:53] <jldugger> i know a few
[10:53] <jldugger> edgy should make it easier to figure out which ones work
[10:53] <matt8806suomi> i have dapper
[10:54] <jldugger> but first off, make sure dynamic frequency scaling is working
[10:55] <matt8806suomi> i don't know the first thing about "dynamic frequency scaling". could you please enlighten me
[10:55] <jldugger> ok, you've probably got something like a 2.2 ghz cpu in your laptop, right?
[10:56] <jldugger> well, running that high takes a lot of energy, and produces a lot of heat (meaning more fans going)
[10:56] <jldugger> "dynamic frequency scaling" (cpufreq) lets your laptop clock down and run slower
[10:56] <jldugger> cuts energy consumption, and reduces temperature
[10:57] <matt8806suomi> nope just a 1.6 with 512 ddr2 600
[10:58] <jldugger> how long is your battery lasting?
[10:59] <matt8806suomi> about 140mins
[10:59] <jldugger> another thing you can do is make the screen darker on battery
[10:59] <matt8806suomi> that's with AIGLX running all the time
[10:59] <jldugger> the LCD backlight is probably the hungriest part of it
[11:00] <jldugger> gnome 2.16's power management has a nifty graph of power usage
[11:00] <matt8806suomi> i have that setup. when i unplug the power cable the screen brightness drops
[11:01] <jldugger> the darker you set it, the longer it will last
[11:01] <matt8806suomi> yeah of course
[11:01] <matt8806suomi> that makes sense
[11:01] <jldugger> ati or nvidia?
[11:01] <matt8806suomi> i have Gnome 2.14.3, how do i get to 1.16
[11:02] <jldugger> easiest way is to wait until edgy is released in a few weeks
[11:02] <matt8806suomi> Mobile Intel 915GM
[11:02] <jldugger> huh
[11:02] <matt8806suomi> what's with the huh?
[11:03] <jldugger> those aren't very powerful 3d
[11:03] <jldugger> might try turning off aiglx and see how much longer the battery lasts
[11:03] <matt8806suomi> 10-15 mins longer
[11:04] <matt8806suomi> but yet even then, it still isn't anywhere near the 4.5 i get from windows
[11:04] <jldugger> you have any bluetooth running?
[11:05] <matt8806suomi> wireless occasionally but not all the time, ow and i don't have bluetooth! well i don't think i do
[11:06] <matt8806suomi> how would i go about upgrading to Gnome 2.16 now?
[11:12] <matt8806suomi> you there jldugger?
[11:15] <jldugger> yea, sorry. roommates cleaned out the freezer
[11:15] <jldugger> had to double check that nothing of mine would melt
[11:15] <jldugger> anyways, upgrading gnome is a pita
[11:16] <matt8806suomi> nah that's cool
[11:16] <jldugger> your 3 options are to install from source, attempt to backport the edgy packages, or upgrade
[11:17] <matt8806suomi> what do you recommend, i'm thought about upgrade
[11:18] <jldugger> well, compiling gnome from source is a complicated effort and you still wont have all the ubunbut modifications, for better or worse, so i cant recommend that path
[11:19] <jldugger> backporting from edgy will require at least a rebuild of the packages for the dapper libc stuff, and there's no guarentee you'll be able to fix it all, or get any help
[11:19] <jldugger> the least painful would be upgrading to edgy
[11:19] <matt8806suomi> i might try that
[11:20] <jldugger> if i were you id hit up launchpad and check to see if your laptop has any known bugs
[11:21] <jldugger> http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2006/linuxsymposium_procv1.pdf
[11:26] <jldugger> p127 has some discussion on what improves battery life
[11:36] <matt8806suomi> thanks
[11:38] <jldugger> id also wonder whether windows actually gets four hours of use
[11:41] <matt8806suomi> web and word, that's all that is done in windows
[11:42] <matt8806suomi> lowest lcd brightness, cpu frequence changing
[11:42] <matt8806suomi> ow btw how do i setup cpu throttling
[11:49] <jldugger> its probably running right now
[11:49] <jldugger> you in GNOME?
[11:49] <jldugger> yes, thats right you said you were
[11:50] <jldugger> right click on the gnome panel and add a "CPU Frequncy Monitor" applet
[11:52] <jldugger> that should indicate whether its running or not
[11:53] <matt8806suomi> yeah i'm in Gnome
[11:54] <matt8806suomi> yeah i can add the applet but it says that my pc does not have the functions enabled?
[11:54] <matt8806suomi> what next?
[11:55] <jldugger> /etc/init.d/powernowd start
[11:58] <matt8806suomi> it says it's not supported but i had it in 5.1, then i upgraded to 6.01 and gooooone!!
[11:58] <matt8806suomi> ??
[11:58] <matt8806suomi> what's going on?
[11:58] <jldugger> you might need a module in the kernel
[11:59] <jldugger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MataroSessionsWorkshops/CPUFreqModuleLoading


[15:20] <wsdjeg> 看来也没多少人亚
[15:27] <wsdjeg> \exit
[19:39] <dmick1> ubuntukylin.com email is bouncing with DNS problem on AAAA record; A record still seems to work, gives <IP_ADDRESS>.  Anyone have any information about the problem?


[04:47] <NCommander> amitk, you alive?
[08:43] <amitk> NCommander: ack
[08:48] <NCommander> amitk, good morning
[08:50] <amitk> NCommander: morning


[07:59] <Rudolfs> Hi all, is there an overview for Ubuntu-touch OS translations, something like https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu for standard Ubuntu?


 Bad for ones social life
[06:55] <dLimit> But I'm trying Ubuntu precise today
[06:56] <Kilos> thats good
[06:56] <dLimit> Thought I'd hate it but its actually freaking awesome
[06:56] <tumbleweed> morning
[06:56] <dLimit> tumbleweed: greets
[06:57] <dLimit> Not going to give mah gentoo and openbox for it but they did a very good job with it. Even unity doesn't suck that much anymore.
[06:57] <Kilos> sounds good dLimit
[06:57] <superfly> hi psydroid, dLimit, tumbleweed
[06:58] <dLimit> superfly: Hi.
[06:58] <dLimit> So how are you doing Kilos ?
[06:58] <Kilos> im good ty dLimit , still on maverick
[07:01] <dLimit> I would have still been on karmic if my connection still sucked..
[07:02] <Kilos> hehe
[07:02] <dLimit> Karmic was the last best.
[07:02] <dLimit> From lucin on everything changed
[07:02] <dLimit> lucid*
[07:02] <Kilos> na maverick is better
[07:04] <superfly> I dunno, I find 12.04 to be better than ever... oh wait, I'm using KDE :-P
[07:04] <Kilos> rofl
[07:05] <dLimit> Lol I want to get back onto the KDE bus again..
[07:05] <Kilos> no release chat would be complete without that remark poppin up
[07:05] <Kilos> superfly, kubuntu is not available from canonical is it?
[07:06] <superfly> Kilos: I don't know what you mean
[07:06] <Kilos> as in do they still supply the cd's?
[07:06] <Squirm> morning
[07:07] <Kilos> sure i read somewhere they dropping kde
[07:07] <Kilos> yo Squirm
[07:08] <superfly> Kilos: Canonical is no longer employing the one person they used to for Kubuntu, so no, Kubuntu is no longer an official, Canonical-endorsed Ubuntu derivative... it now officially joins the ranks of Lubuntu and Xubuntu
[07:08] <Kilos> aha
[07:08] <superfly> Which is interesting, since the biggest deployment of desktop Linux that Canonical has done so far is a Kubuntu deployment
[07:09] <superfly> Unity is for consumers... businesses want KDE
[07:10] <Kilos> hi NeVeR_
[07:13] <Squirm> and I want Gnome 2 :/
[07:13] <Kilos> Squirm, did you try precise unity?
[07:14] <Kilos> hi charl
[07:14] <Squirm> no
[07:14] <Squirm> but then again, I'm not using Ubuntu
[07:14] <Kilos> dLimit, says its awesome
[07:14] <Squirm> haven't used it since Unity started
[07:15] <dLimit> I like the dashboard with the video's
[07:18] <Kilos> well if you have time and no data cap Squirm give it a try
[07:19] <Kilos> old saying
[07:19] <Kilos> dont knock it till youve tried it
[07:22] <dLimit> Still not switching tho.
[07:22] <Kilos> morning sflr
[07:23] <sflr> morning guys!
[07:23] <dLimit> sflr
[07:26] <superfly> morning sflr
[07:26] <superfly> sflr: if you can, a real IRC client is much better than the web chat interface
[07:26] <sflr> hi superfly!
[07:27] <dLimit> irssi
[07:27] <Kilos> xchat quassel
[07:27] <sflr> I use xchat from home. at the office it is blocked :)
[07:27] <dLimit> Or even telnetting would be better
[07:27] <superfly> if you're a command line junkie
[07:27] <superfly> sflr: you have port 80 open though?
[07:27] <superfly> (HTTP)
[07:28] <sflr> yes, some ports are open
[07:28] <sflr> haha, i must try telnet dLimit :)
[07:29] <superfly> sflr: you can try port 8000 too
[07:30] <dLimit> alright im out cheers
[07:32] <sflr> I try that now
[07:32] <sflr> any specific server?
[07:33] <superfly> chat.freenode.net
[07:33] <Squirm> .:Kilos:. dont knock it till youve tried it <<-- Not knocking it, I just said I prefer Gnome 2
[07:34] <Kilos> hehe
[07:34] <sflr> it says /connect is unknown command. is there alternative?
[07:35] <superfly> sflr: what are you using?
[07:35] <sflr> xchat-gnome
[07:36] <Kilos> can llok in mine if it might help sflr
[07:37] <Kilos> look
[07:37] <superfly> sflr: ask Kilos
[07:37] <sflr> Kilos, where do you change the server and port in Xchat? cant find it anywhere
[07:37] <Kilos> where are you in xchat now sflr
[07:37] <Kilos> in the first little window that opens
[07:37] <Kilos> select freenode
[07:38] <sflr> I just opened it
[07:38] <Kilos> under networks
[07:38] <Kilos> scroll down
[07:38] <sflr> ok
[07:38] <Kilos> once selected tick edit
[07:38] <Kilos> on the right
[07:39] <Kilos> add favourite channels
[07:39] <sflr> wait. i dont have edit option. only Connect and Close
[07:39] <Kilos> mine shows irc.freenode.net/8001
[07:40] <Kilos> on the right side
[07:40] <Kilos> not bottom
[07:40] <sflr> first needs to connect then. it seems port 8000 also blocked. not connecting.
[07:40] <Kilos> should show add, remove, edit and sort buttons
[07:41] <sflr> I stick to the webchat for now :) need to get productive
[07:41] <Kilos> no before connecting
[07:41] <Kilos> ok ping me when you have time sflr
[07:46] <sflr> Kilos: screenshot of connect window http://i50.tinypic.com/2ymfuwo.png on Ubuntu 12.04, Xchat Gnome version 0.3.0
[07:46] <Kilos> ok i will look quick
[07:47] <Kilos> something wrong there should show buttons on the right as well
[07:48] <Kilos> can you drag the right side open more
[07:48] <Kilos> sflr, ?
[07:49] <Kilos> and dont tick the little network list block
[07:50] <sflr> its a modal popup , nothing on the right. and no tick. lol
[07:51] <Kilos> close it and look the first window again where you put nicks
[07:52] <superfly> sflr: you need to find this window, and edit the Freenode entry: http://xchat.org/files/screenshots/xchat_screen_2.png
[07:52] <superfly> I think you need to close the connection window, and then go to Edit -> Preferences
[07:53] <superfly> (why is the preferences option in the edit menu? Gnome is seriously almost as bad as Apple)
[07:53] <sflr> thanks, found it in preferences :)
[07:53] <sflr> screenshot can tell 999 words
[07:58] <Kilos> superfly, whats that image link againplse
[07:59] <superfly> http://xchat.org/files/screenshots/xchat_screen_2.png
[07:59] <Kilos> that xchat isnt working right
[07:59] <Kilos> no , the one where i send me screenshot
[07:59] <Kilos> oh
[07:59] <Kilos> imageshack was it
[07:59] <superfly> oh
[07:59] <superfly> yes... http://imageshack.us/
[08:00] <Kilos> ty
[08:02] <Kilos> sflr, should look like this
[08:02] <Kilos> http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img836/5238/screenshotny.png
[08:02] <Kilos> excuse the messy desktop
[08:03] <Kilos> aw thats a bad screenshot, half missing
[08:06] <Kilos> lost lots when pc crashed, need to find imageshack info
[08:07] <sflr> thanks Kilos, its ok for now. No time for me to fiddle around with it. The ports are blocked and need to hit the meeting rooms now :S
[08:07] <Kilos> ok sflr  i will try get all the info for when you have time
[08:30] <Kilos> can you guys see all the buttons in the xchat windows on this screenshot guys
[08:30] <Kilos> http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img826/2671/screenshothgv.png
[08:30] <inetpro> Kilos: remember that there are two different versions of xchat as well
[08:30] <inetpro> good morning BTW
[08:30]  * inetpro is not sure which one you recommend
[08:31] <Kilos> oh ya he mustnt use xchat-gnome
[08:31] <Kilos> that sucks
[08:31] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[08:31] <Kilos> is my take screenshot function sick?
[08:45] <Kilos> http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img259/144/screenshotlr.png
[08:45] <Kilos> had to take screenshot 4 times
[08:49] <Kilos> inetpro, when he says ports are blocked. where are they blocked
[08:54] <Kilos> at work or online
[08:54] <superfly> Kilos: at work
[08:55] <Kilos> ah ty superfly
[08:55] <Kilos> i dunno how to get around that
[08:56] <superfly> Kilos: find another port
[08:57] <Kilos> oh he should be able to do that
[08:57] <Kilos> im lost with that stuff
[09:01] <Kilos> will i need to study up on routers to be able to understand that better?
[09:03] <charl> hi Kilos
[09:03] <charl> what seems to be the problem?
[09:04] <charl> are you trying to connect to port 8001 ?
[09:06] <Kilos> im good ty charl its steven that has prob with xchat
[09:07] <Kilos> but he is busy now
[09:08] <Kilos> if he knows how to find another port at work he should win
[09:16] <charl> ah ok cool
[09:17] <charl> i never use the xchat list - i always just type /server and then manually specify
[09:17] <charl> and then connect to the default 6667 port
[09:17] <charl> i have had similar issues in the past
[09:18] <Kilos> ah then maybe you can help him when he gets back. but first i think he should remove xchat-gnome and install xchat
[09:18] <Kilos> maybe its me but the gnome xchat kinda sucks
[10:11] <Kilos> sjoe I'm sure ZA's internet is getting worse
[10:12] <dLimit> Yeah I got 30kbps right now
[10:13] <dLimit> Suppose to be a 1meg line
[10:13] <Kilos> ouch thats worse than gprs
[10:16] <dLimit> Its hardly even dialup
[10:19] <Kilos> so who is the culprit? telcom?
[10:21] <dLimit> dunno.
[10:21] <dLimit> could be
[10:27] <RPM> :|
[10:27] <RPM> my internet is chugging today ;(
[10:29] <charl> i am pretty convinced they are trying to get people to upgrade to more expensive packages
[10:29] <charl> by just progressively making the cheaper packages slower
[10:30] <Kilos> yeah typical
[10:35] <RPM> rofl.. I have a 10mbit line with a 4mbit uncapped unshaped account, and its extremely slow :(
[10:35] <RPM> even switched to my free fnb account to see if its just the account
[10:35] <RPM> isp*
[10:37] <Kilos> they will say there are too many peeps working at the moment. Please be patient
[10:40] <Kilos> at least maaz hasnt slowed down
[10:40] <Kilos> Ping reply from Maaz: 0.57 second(s)
[10:41] <Kilos> Maaz, i love you
[10:41] <Maaz> Kilos Don't embarrass youself.  Let me know
[12:55] <Kilos> nearly like net splits i see
[12:56] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[12:56]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[12:56] <Kilos> inetpro, quick coffee before you start working
[12:56] <Kilos> hehe
[12:58] <sflr> yoyoyo!
[12:59] <Kilos> wb sflr
[12:59] <sflr> hi Kilos!
[12:59] <Kilos> remove xchat-gnome and install xchat
[13:00] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[13:00] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[13:01] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[13:01] <sflr> thanks Kilos, I will give a try later. I am starting an online meeting now in Google Hangouts
[13:01] <inetpro> Kilos: what was that?
[13:01] <inetpro> oh you said coffee?
[13:02]  * inetpro goes to switch on the kettle
[13:02] <Kilos> lol
[13:03] <sflr> hey inetpro
[13:04] <inetpro> sflr: .
[13:04] <sflr> raisin? lol
[13:05] <inetpro> :-)
[13:07] <inetpro> https://plus.google.com/101962591714399883882 <-- sflr: is that you?
[13:08] <sflr> i dont know<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:13] <sflr> google plus should introduce friendly URLs. hehe
[13:20] <Kerbero> interesting surname
[13:21] <sflr> Kerbero? :)
[14:34]  * Kilos wonders if there is any meaning in a sheeps sounds, other than a lamb screaming
[14:34] <Kilos> maaaaaaaa
[14:35] <Kilos> and the ewe answering
[14:35] <Kilos> jaaaaaaa
[14:36] <Kilos> scared to tweet that, someone will call me a twit
[15:02] <Kilos> yo Mezenir
[15:07] <superfly> Kilos: voel 'n bietjie eensaam?
[15:07] <superfly> (alone)
[15:08]  * superfly is not sure if his afrikaans is still up to scratch
[15:08] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[15:09] <Kilos> dit was reg gewees
[15:09] <superfly> Kilos: what's the story with your visa now?
[15:09] <Kilos> i have it superfly
[15:09] <superfly> Kilos: so why aren't you in australia?
[15:10] <Kilos> they said it took so long because of bad communication between here and perth i think it was
[15:10] <superfly> ah
[15:10] <Kilos> eish
[15:10] <Kilos> finances
[15:10] <superfly> Aaah
[15:11] <superfly> As ek die geld gehad het, oom...
[15:11] <Kilos> debs has had a bad run for a year with that ankylosing spondilitis and sacroiliitus so mad bills crippled her
[15:12] <Kilos> ek weet my vriend
[15:12] <superfly> Shame
[15:12] <Kilos> sal miskien sien of ek mark kan email een van die dae
[15:12] <sflr> ASAP means nothing in Cape Town. #liveandlearn
[15:13] <superfly> Hahaha sflr, what's the story?
[15:14] <sflr> waiting for some documents since 1pm. i was promised that will be sent ASAP. which i thought will take around 30 minutes. hehe
[15:14] <superfly> Heh.
[15:14] <sflr> it was a matter of attach and email. lol
[15:14] <Kilos> haha
[15:16] <Kilos> superfly, maybe i need someone to hack quantas and print me a ticket
[15:17] <superfly> hehe... You need an inside contact
[15:20] <Mezenir> hey kilos
[15:20] <Mezenir> hey all
[15:20] <superfly> Yo Mezenir
[15:21] <Mezenir> hey superfly
[15:21] <Mezenir> howsit going
[15:21] <superfly> A!right, just on the journey home
[15:25] <sflr> hi Mezenir
[15:35] <Mezenir> hi sflr
[15:35] <Mezenir> mmm
[15:35] <Mezenir> lol
[16:40] <inetpro> superfly: did those lights come on again?
[16:42] <superfly> inetpro: they did, and the train left too... I'm home safe and sound
[16:42] <inetpro> cool
[17:16] <Kilos> yo smile
[17:17] <smile> hi! :D
[17:17] <smile> installed ubuntu :)
[17:17] <smile> instead of linux mint debian
[17:17] <Kilos> well I NeVeR_
[17:17] <Kilos> good
[17:17] <smile> :o
[17:17] <smile> why never? :p
[17:17] <Kilos> teasing NeVeR_
[17:17] <smile> oh. :p
[17:17] <superfly> smile: how do you like it?
[17:18] <smile> I like it, but it could be better even more :p
[17:18] <smile> for example booting screen hangs
[17:18] <superfly> yeah... that's why I use KDE :-P
[17:18] <smile> [the graphics]
[17:20] <Kilos> smile, unity?
[17:20] <smile> Kilos: jap. only switching between apps I don't like
[17:20] <Kilos> jap?
[17:20] <smile> jap = yeah
[17:20] <smile> :p
[17:21] <smile> belgian ;)
[17:21] <Kilos> japanese
[17:21] <Kilos> oh language
[17:21] <smile> :D
[17:21] <smile> Belgian-Dutch :)
[17:21] <Kilos> aha
[17:22] <Kilos> yo charl
[17:22] <smile> Kilos: have you slept wel? :)
[17:23] <Kilos> lol last night?
[17:23] <charl> hi Kilos
[17:23] <sflr> I use Ubuntu 12. 32-bit, as 64-bit fries my laptop
[17:23] <charl> hi smile
[17:23] <charl> hi sflr
[17:23] <sflr> hey charl
[17:23] <charl> that's weird, how so?
[17:23] <smile> charl: hi! :D
[17:23] <charl> sflr: what type of chipset are you using
[17:24] <smile> sflr: well I use 64 bit and livecd worked fine, but install is failing more :(
[17:24] <sflr> its Dell Latitude
[17:24] <smile> sflr: ok :D
[17:24] <charl> i'm using a 6-year old fujitsu siemens that is literally falling apart
[17:24] <sflr> the fan just goes on and the side really gets hot. keep my coffee next to it. then its like that for 5 minutes. then machine switches off. Boom!
[17:24] <charl> and i can run 64-bit ubuntu without any problems
[17:24] <Kilos> 64bit isnt as stable methinks
[17:24] <Kilos> ian also had probs
[17:24] <smile> sflr: boom. :p
[17:24] <charl> nah 64bit is perfectly stable by now
[17:25] <charl> sflr: can't say i have ever had that issue or heard of anyone with that issue, definitely something weird that's specific to your model
[17:25] <sflr> then I checked and Dell 'recommends' 32-bit ubuntu.lol
[17:25] <charl> ah ok well... something is clearly up then
[17:25] <smile> lol, they don't like 64 bit :p
[17:25] <sflr> yes, it must be model. same happens to 3 other laptops at the office
[17:26] <charl> yeah definitely something up then with that one
[17:26] <sflr> time to upgrade I think. we cant work with burning hardware. haha
[17:26] <charl> lol
[17:26] <charl> no that sucks
[17:26] <Kilos> lol
[17:26] <charl> thing is you can't address more than 4GB of ram and you waste a bunch of registers
[17:26] <charl> don't know if you work with virtualisation much or heavy-weight oracle solutions but 4GB of ram is not enough anymore
[17:26] <sflr> we will give it to windows users
[17:27] <Kilos> isnt the 64bit just heavier so you need faster pc and more ram than with 32bit
[17:27] <charl> i need more than that just for a virtual machine i use for development with some oracle stuff
[17:27] <charl> Kilos: the instructions are larger but you don't need a faster pc for it
[17:27] <Kilos> whew 4 g ram
[17:27] <sflr> VM server or desktop instance?
[17:27] <smile> we always should compare 32 & 64 bit :)
[17:27] <charl> sflr: desktop even
[17:27] <charl> no obviously you need more for servers
[17:27] <sflr> yeah, was just checking
[17:28] <sflr> we are setting up private cloud now
[17:28] <sflr> infrastructure team very sceptical.hehe
[17:28] <charl> nice, which technology is it based on (if i am allowed to ask, no prob if not)
[17:29] <sflr> we are benchmarking different ones currently.
[17:29] <sflr> its for a distributed data center architecture. nothing fits so far
[17:30] <sflr> Amazon moved to Gardens in Cape Town. new fancy offices.
[17:30] <charl> amazon? interesting
[17:31] <charl> http://www.amazon.co.za/
[17:31] <charl> you mean that?
[17:31] <sflr> yes, AWS
[17:31] <charl> nice
[17:32] <sflr> apparently they are hiring lots of peeps suddenly
[17:32] <charl> hold on a second
[17:32] <sflr> http://www.amazon.co.za/jobs.htm
[17:32] <charl> there is a company that somebody i know works at
[17:32] <charl> they are also partly based in cape town and partly in san francisco
[17:32] <charl> lemme look up the name and see if i can find it
[17:32] <charl> they used to / are doing work for amazon
[17:33] <sflr> ok. cloud fluffs?
[17:34] <charl> these people: http://nimbula.com/
[17:34] <charl> afaik cocooncrash also works there
[17:35] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimbula
[17:39] <charl> i'm sure most of you didn't realise that amazon ec2 was created by two south africans
[17:39] <charl> at least led up by
[17:40] <sflr> yes, there are some technical docs on the VM somewhere
[17:40] <sflr> we use some ec2 stuff
[17:41] <sflr> Nimbula sounds familiar
[17:41] <cocooncrash> ohi
[17:42] <sflr> it was launched this year, I think I read it in the news then :)
[17:42] <sflr> hi cocooncrash
[17:43] <charl> afaik nimbula has been going for quite some time
[17:43] <cocooncrash> sflr: First release was a year ago actually :)
[17:43] <charl> i have not been following the news
[17:43] <charl> but russell cloran started working for them a long time ago
[17:43] <sflr> yes, sorry. 2011. i am stuck in that year
[17:43] <charl> i was applying for his old job at the time, that was back at naspers search engine
[17:44] <charl> ended up not taking the job, might as well because they cut the whole project 2 months later
[17:44] <sflr> is it public or private cloud? and which areas in the world are the datacenters?
[17:44] <sflr> naspers search engine? google competitor?
[17:44] <Kilos> hi cocooncrash
[17:45] <cocooncrash> sflr: It's software, not a service, so we don't run datacentres
[17:46] <sflr> thanks cocooncrash, i read up on the site before ask more stupido questions =)
[17:46] <charl> sflr: this is ancient history now but naspers were building their own search engine
[17:46] <charl> sflr: they actually had a nice thing going but they decided to cut the whole project
[17:47] <charl> sflr: the biggest problem really was that they couldn't get the darn thing to scale, even though they had some feature advantages above google at the time
[17:47] <sflr> bummer :(
[17:47] <charl> sflr: but two months later they had a massive corporate restructuring and decided to cut the whole project and move to google
[17:47] <sflr> sjoe. architecture problems
[17:48] <cocooncrash> Kilos: Hi :)
[17:48] <sflr> charl,  what storage engine was it using?
[17:49] <charl> sflr: they were really super weird though, first they wanted to hire me, then they didn't about some stupid issues regarding me having been involved with sites such as the old muti.co.za
[17:49] <charl> sflr: then they later came back and wanted to hire me after all, they really screwed with me big time, that's what pissed me off
[17:49] <charl> so eventually i just gave them the finger
[17:49] <charl> at one point they actually claimed that i was involved with some online dating site i have never even heard of
[17:49] <charl> that was the most ridicululous thing i have ever heard
[17:49] <sflr> haha, but would have been a problem really?
[17:51] <sflr> muti.co.za never heard of it :|
[17:54] <sflr> Ubuntu Dapper Drake Beta. haha. good old days
[17:54] <sflr> from muti.co.za in 2006 http://web.archive.org/web/20060425064015/http://muti.co.za/
[17:55] <charl> sflr: i have no idea, i never took the job and never thought of asking them at the time
[17:56] <superfly> ohi cocooncrash
[17:56] <cocooncrash> superfly: ohi
[17:56] <superfly> all well in SF?
[17:57] <cocooncrash> superfly: Yup, going well
[17:57] <cocooncrash> .so started her job 2 weeks ago
[17:57] <superfly> glad to hear it
[17:57] <superfly> good news!
[17:57] <cocooncrash> We (finally) got the release out, so things are a bit calmer now
[18:05] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:05] <magespawn> Hey Kilos
[18:10] <Kilos> cocooncrash, dunno if you tweet but we have an account there
[18:10] <Kilos> @ubuntuza
[18:11] <Kilos> i think its called an account
[18:13] <Kilos> sflr, did they eventually deliver package
[18:13] <sflr> yes Kilos, that's why I need to do work now :S
[18:13] <Kilos> ok
[18:14] <smile> Kilos: hij is weg :o
[18:14] <magespawn> Bit late at night sflr.
[18:15] <Kilos> hij =?
[18:15] <Kilos> smile, do you mean he
[18:15] <Kilos> afr is hy
[18:16] <smile> charl is gone, i mean
[18:16] <smile> Kilos: ja ek weet. maar ek het vergeet ;)
[18:16] <Kilos> then its hy is weg
[18:16] <smile> ^^
[18:16] <Kilos> lol julle jong mense mag nie vergeet nie
[18:18] <Kilos> net ons ballies mag vergeet
[18:21] <sflr> magespawn, was waiting for it since lunch time
[18:23] <magespawn> sflr if you do not mibd me asking, what do you do?
[18:23] <sflr> magespawn, now? eating noodles. haha
[18:24] <smile> Kilos: hoe oud is jy? :p
[18:24] <sflr> magespawn, I work in IT
[18:24] <Kilos> 61 in 4 dae smile
[18:24] <magespawn> Mmm yes? Details?
[18:25] <smile> Kilos: wow! :D
[18:26] <Kilos> hehe
[18:26] <charl> hi guys
[18:26] <sflr> magespawn, enterprise architect at an online company.
[18:26] <charl> sorry i got busy here
[18:26] <sflr> charl u looked you were gone
[18:26] <Kilos> np charl wb
[18:26] <charl> thanks
[18:27] <sflr> where is the minutes from last night's meeting? link?
[18:27] <magespawn> sflr MCITP?
[18:27] <charl> sflr: muti was a social bookmarking site aimed at south africans
[18:27] <charl> sflr: it was basically like a local reddit
[18:27] <charl> sflr: i had some very limited involvement, particularly surrounding the api design and implementation
[18:28] <charl> sflr: but that never really got implemented by as many people as we hoped
[18:28] <Kilos> nuvolari, you not gonna send links about last nights meet to lists?
[18:28] <sflr> magespawn, no, not microsoft.
[18:28] <magespawn> Linux?
[18:29] <sflr> charl, maybe it was a timing issue? or connectivity?
[18:29] <charl> sflr: nah social bookmarking basically took a big dive with social networks like twitter and facebook, that's an international phenomenon
[18:30] <Kilos> inetpro, do you know the link to last nights minutes?
[18:30] <charl> sflr: kevin rose also left digg some time ago, eventually got fed up with it i guess
[18:30] <sflr> magespawn, architecture is technology agnostic. open source is really good and reliable. if facebook and twitter can run on it
[18:31] <sflr> charl, yes he left. people get bored of stuff even if it was their own baby. i think foresquare founder also left. if remember correctly
[18:31] <charl> sflr: there are still some loyal user communities around sites like reddit etc, muti was a side project by a good friend of mine (neville newey)
[18:31] <magespawn> Thats the main difference between facebook and myspace
[18:31] <charl> sflr: he basically did all the work on the site in his free time and never got paid a cent for any of it
[18:31] <charl> sflr: eventually he decided to sell the domain to some other people, a decision i can definitely respect
[18:31] <sflr> reddit is still big internationally
[18:31] <magespawn> Good way to make some money
[18:32] <charl> sflr: yeah it's understandable, i mean, you do something for too long, eventually you need to start with something new
[18:32] <inetpro> Kilos: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-06-18-17-30-01.txt
[18:32] <sflr> magespawn, yeah, like instagrm. haha
[18:32] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[18:32] <inetpro> wow, you guys are busy this evening
[18:32] <Kilos> sflr, ^^
[18:32] <magespawn> Go big or stay at home.
[18:33] <Kilos> yeah like last nights meet i battle to keep up
[18:33] <sflr> yes charl, then someone can take over and change things change.
[18:33] <sflr> inetpro, yeah round 2 of meeting
[18:34] <sflr> thanks for the meeting link. there are lots of Agreed items compared to previous meeting o_O
[18:34] <magespawn> Thats a good thing
[18:36] <sflr> what do you do magespawn?
[18:36] <magespawn> sflr so you look after the hardwar?
[18:36] <smile> bye :)
[18:36] <charl> sflr: reddit has actually not done too badly, although i don't think it managed to keep in trend with the growth of facebook and twitter
[18:36] <charl> sflr: i think reddit has a loyal user community
[18:36] <charl> it's a bit like 4chan in many respects
[18:36] <sflr> yeah, i like homework. haha
[18:36] <magespawn> Partime field guide and internet cafe owner.
[18:36] <Kilos> sleep tight smile
[18:36] <smile> thanks, you too :)
[18:36] <sflr> yeah charl, loyal user community is the right term for reddit
[18:36] <magespawn> Night smile
[18:36] <sflr> by smile
[18:37] <smile> :DD
[18:37] <sflr> magespawn, we have a department who looks after the hardware. but we own a lot of it. and virtual and cloud etc
[18:38] <sflr> magespawn, on what fields you guiding?
[18:38] <magespawn> Hluhluwe Game Reserve mostly.
[18:39] <Kilos> charl peer got you
[18:39] <sflr> nice. close to Kruger :)
[18:39] <sflr> i remember now. looked you up on the map the other night :)
[18:39] <magespawn> Not really.
[18:39] <magespawn> Yup that was it.
[18:39] <charl_> Kilos: yeah i seem to have some issues with that other freenode server i was connected to
[18:39] <charl_> the ping was insane
[18:40] <sflr> haha charl. its true. your messages came through like a flood
[18:41] <charl> weird stuff!
[18:41] <charl> i had the same with messages from you guys
[18:42] <charl> i'm connected to niven now, i used to be connected to leguin
[18:42] <sflr> Internet submarine cable map. Fascinating! http://www.submarinecablemap.com/
[18:43] <magespawn> It is amazing how they keep it all connected.
[18:44] <magespawn> I want onenof those for myself
[18:45] <sflr> hahaha. your hardware would limit the available speed :|
[18:45] <sflr> South Atlantic Express (SAEx) looks promising. by efive.co.za linking south america and africa
[18:46] <sflr> coming in 2014
[18:46] <magespawn> I am assuming that if I can get the cable I would have the appropriate equipment
[18:46] <magespawn> More bandwidth.
[18:48] <sflr> I wonder whats the speed comparison between the  best satellite and best inter continental cable
[18:49] <magespawn> The fastest satellite I know that is affordable is similar to adsl
[18:50] <highvoltage> one of the few things I don't miss from south africa is the internet :)
[18:50] <sflr> fibre optic must be faster theoretically. its light after all. satellite is radio waves.
[18:50] <sflr> highvoltage, hahaha. we can still dream =)
[18:51] <highvoltage> sflr: :)
[18:51] <magespawn> My adsl is good, and I happy that is at least uncapped.
[18:52] <magespawn> Am
[18:54] <Kilos> night everyone. sleep tight
[18:54] <highvoltage> in canada they also want to introduce more and more caps, which sucks. but at least there's still plenty of good uncapped (realy uncapped) plans available
[18:54] <magespawn> I remember my first dial up. Telkom telling me that the did not garuantee the line for internet dial up
[18:54] <Kilos> i go crash now
[18:54] <highvoltage> night Kilos
[18:54] <magespawn>  Night Kilos
[18:54] <magespawn> 28800.
[18:54] <highvoltage> I downloaded starofice 5.2 over 14400. took me 5 evenings :)
[18:54] <sflr> by Kilos
[18:55] <sflr> onto floppy disks? haha
[18:55] <magespawn> I did some work in spread sheet, Lotus 123.
[18:55] <sflr> ADSL is good now to be honest
[18:56] <sflr> anybody played Battlefield 3 Close Quarters? I wonder if it's any good
[18:56] <highvoltage> sflr: I was in SA in december and dsl was still pretty crappy then
[18:56] <sflr> Lotus! oh my
[18:56] <highvoltage> (well, I guess it's ok for typical home use, but for work it was terrible)
[18:57] <highvoltage> and at my friends house telkom didn't even want to give him 10mbit, said it's only for new customers
[18:57] <magespawn> My exchange will only go to 4
[18:58] <highvoltage> yeah the 4mbit telkom dsl is quite painful for me especially since it only has 512kbps upload
[18:58] <highvoltage> (unless they've increased it)
[18:58] <superfly> nope, still 512
[18:58] <magespawn> That the problem.
[18:58] <superfly> if you want 1Mbps, you have to get a 10Mbps line
[18:58] <highvoltage> (which was especially painful for me getting used to having 7mbit upload at home)
[18:58] <superfly> really stupid, if you ask me
[18:58] <magespawn> The 1 meg is also 512 up
[18:59] <superfly> magespawn: exactly... can't they at least make it 1 up?
[18:59] <sflr> yeah its pretty crap the upload
[18:59] <highvoltage> yeah the problem with 512 up is that one person in the house uploads something (like a bunch of facebook photos or whatever) and the entire connection becomes unusable for everyone in the house
[19:00] <sflr> superfly,  you get 10Mbps if you have 4Mbps
[19:00] <highvoltage> it's really not the 'full family' solution that telkom advertises it to be
[19:00] <magespawn> Heard about a virgin active trial in london 16gig to a hundred homes, both directions.
[19:00] <sflr> Telkom is not facebook friendly. hehe
[19:00] <magespawn> Telkom is not anything friendly.
[19:01] <sflr> magespawn, it clearly shows on the seacablemap where you can get such kind of bandwith
[19:01] <superfly> sflr: yes, but the cost of data is horrendous... well, uncapped data, that is
[19:01] <highvoltage> magespawn: my flatmate's grandmother has 2gbps to her house (she's in switzerland), her switch is the bottleneck (only 1gpbs)
[19:01] <NeVeR_> jeez
[19:01] <NeVeR_> I want that
[19:02] <sflr> superfly, that's true. I think i am on 10Gig. 8gig goes on kids' youtube :|
[19:02] <magespawn> We all going to the swiss alps then?
[19:02] <highvoltage> if my grandmother had that I'd build a server room in her basement :)
[19:02] <sflr> lol @ highvoltage
[19:02] <magespawn> Apprently south korea has the worlds best internet
[19:04] <charl> i was in dublin back in february and one of my ex-colleagues's girlfriend is from south korea
[19:04] <magespawn> highvoltage i say change the switch.
[19:04] <charl> he stays with her there part of the year
[19:04] <charl> the country is getting a lot of growth but actually used to be quite a poor place
[19:04] <sflr> metropolitan areas in s korea  100 Mbit/s ! Boom! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_South_Korea
[19:04] <charl> even now the salaries aren't up to international norms
[19:04] <charl> but they indeed have a very healthy technology infrastructure and industry
[19:04] <charl> lg, samsung etc
[19:05] <magespawn> But with internet like that everything else will follow.
[19:05] <charl> well it's not as simple as that but the south korean government takes growth seriously and sees technology as a path to that
[19:05] <magespawn> Information, knowledge, inspiration.
[19:05] <magespawn> Sharing.
[19:05] <charl> but one of the reasons south korea can be so competitive is that they have a very high education level but workers don't earn huge salaries
[19:06] <charl> that's very different than in most countries
[19:06] <charl> most countries either don't have the skills base or the skill base is very expensive
[19:06] <magespawn> Almost exactly the opposite of here.
[19:06] <charl> yup
[19:06] <charl> i didn't want to say it but you took the words out of my mouth :)
[19:07] <charl> let me put it to you this way, i used to contract while i used to live in south africa and i used to cream it bigtime :)
[19:08] <magespawn> Contracts and consultants with the knowledge usually do.
[19:08] <charl> heh no kidding
[19:08] <charl> ask Symmetria :)
[19:08] <charl> even i was not nearly up to his level
[19:09] <NeVeR_> I'm hopefully going to start contracting in a few months.. starting a web dev business, but going to contract out as a DBA/SysAdmin
[19:09] <charl> yup
[19:09] <charl> dba is a good direction
[19:09] <magespawn> Not to open a can here, but what is his level?
[19:09] <magespawn> Database?
[19:09] <bmg505> hi
[19:09] <bmg505> I forgot about hte meeting :(
[19:09] <charl> magespawn: network consulting
[19:10] <magespawn> No worries bmg 505
[19:10] <NeVeR_> Im currently a full time dba.. mysql, oracle and openedge progress
[19:10] <magespawn> Mmm, but how does one get there?
[19:10] <NeVeR_> I maintain about 80 sites at tme moment
[19:11] <NeVeR_> I think network consultants get paid the most
[19:11] <magespawn> I am doing A+, N+ and MCITP Enterprise Admin, with Exchange and MSSQL added on.
[19:12] <charl> magespawn: a lot of coffee lol
[19:12] <NeVeR_> lol
[19:12] <magespawn> i LIKE coffee.
[19:12] <charl> heh no you need to be a full-out addict
[19:12] <charl> when you can consider it legal substance abuse
[19:12] <magespawn> Coffee drip.
[19:13] <charl> yup and caffiene patches for the in-between :P
[19:13] <magespawn> Have you used a camel bak?
[19:13] <charl> nope can't say i have
[19:13] <Banlam> don't put coffe in a camelbak
[19:14] <charl> is it plastic on the inside?
[19:14] <magespawn> 2 litre back pack with a sip tube for drinking,
[19:14] <magespawn> Have done that before.
[19:14] <charl> that's nice but if it has plastic it won't work for me
[19:14] <Banlam> unless it's iced coffee
[19:14] <charl> yeah then it's fine of course
[19:14] <Banlam> boiling water don't work so nicely
[19:14] <charl> if it's cold
[19:14] <charl> cancer ftl and all that
[19:14] <Banlam> oh
[19:14] <Banlam> i asn't talking about that
[19:14] <Banlam> plastic melts yo
[19:14] <magespawn> Has to be, or it melts.
[19:14] <charl> the plastic starts dissolving
[19:14] <charl> into the drink i mean
[19:15] <magespawn> Yup not good.
[19:15] <charl> i don't know if it really causes cancer btw, some people say that but they say that about everythintg
[19:15] <charl> x causes cancer, y causes cancer
[19:15] <Banlam> so you don't use plastic mugs?
[19:15] <charl> me, nope
[19:15] <charl> not at all
[19:15] <Banlam> charl, was gonna say, so many reports come out these days
[19:15] <Banlam> everyone claiming or refuting something new
[19:15] <charl> yeah exactly i don't get too worked up
[19:15] <Banlam> :/
[19:15] <magespawn> So what would you need besides experience to get to that level?
[19:16] <charl> actually they should just come up and say "life causes cancer - avoid life at all costs - don't live even if it kills you"
[19:16] <magespawn> Life is a sexually transmitted disease, and is invariable fatal.
[19:16] <charl> nice
[19:16] <charl> yup
[19:17] <charl> and that is a substantiated claim, it can be scientifically reproduced
[19:17] <magespawn> No one gets out of life alive. Jim Morrison , I th8nk.
[19:18] <charl> for scientific proof just go to the hospital pregnancy ward and then go to the semitary
[19:21] <magespawn> I studied nature conservation, so the work does not worry me.
[19:24] <charl> my mom used to work in saasveld
[19:24] <charl> they had a big nature con story going there
[19:24] <charl> and forestry
[19:24] <charl> brb
[19:37] <magespawn> Have some friends down there now.
[19:38] <charl> nice
[19:38] <charl> they used to have a big ict school but they closed it down
[19:39] <charl> but the campus was always based primarily around forestry
[19:39] <charl> did some e-learning stuff with them a long time ago
[19:39] <charl> 10+ years
[19:39] <charl> actually even set up an irc server for them
[19:40] <charl> and an old school java chat client lol
[19:40] <charl> beautiful campus though, even has a golf course
[19:43] <magespawn> Very nice part of the country.
[19:44] <charl> sugoi des ne: http://www.diginfo.tv/v/12-0119-r-en.php
[19:45] <charl> more awesome: http://www.diginfo.tv/v/12-0116-r-en.php
[19:48] <magespawn> Very cool.
[19:52] <magespawn> Isn't the second one also in Battlestar Galactica tv series.
[19:52] <magespawn> ?
[20:00] <charl> lol
[20:00] <charl> yeah it looks like it
[20:00] <charl> no kidding
[20:04] <charl> nn all
[20:05] <sflr> which is nice part of the country?
[20:05] <magespawn> Bye every one
[20:05] <sflr> cheer magespawn!
[20:05] <sflr> s
[20:06] <magespawn> Saasveld george garden route knysna
[20:06] <magespawn> Cheers sflr.
[20:06] <sflr> oh yeah. beautiful
[20:06] <sflr> bye!
[20:06] <magespawn> Later.


[09:45] <Obuntu> hi all
[15:24] <wp> jrib: okay
[15:24] <jrib> hi wp
[15:24] <jrib> wp: vim /path/to/file
[15:25] <wp> jrib: yes
[15:25] <wp> jrib: then how do i select all?
[15:25] <jrib> wp: "*yG
[15:25] <jrib> then middle click with your mouse in your browser to paste
[15:26] <wp> jrib: what does that mean?.... okay, the middle mouse button, but "ctrl + insert = copy" is true right?
[15:26] <jrib> no
[15:27] <jrib> wp: after you open vim you press the keys I am putting on the next line to copy:
[15:27] <jrib> "*yG
[15:28] <wp> jrib: okay tried it the vim said "1407837 lines yanked" but when I wanted to paste it nothing happened
[15:28] <jrib> wp: how did you try to paste?
[15:28] <jrib> why are you pasting so many lines?
[15:29] <wp> jrib: middle mouse button, and ctrl-v.... because I have not heard of another easyer way
[15:31] <wp> jrib: I need all those lines in one dialog box in forefox at the same time
[15:32] <jrib> wp: try one line to make sure you are doing right
[15:32] <jrib> do this in vim:
[15:32] <jrib> "*yy
[15:32] <jrib> then try to middle click to paste
[15:33] <wp> "*yy does nothing in vim, and wont copy anything
[15:35] <jrib> :/
[15:35] <jrib> are you just trying to pastebin this file by the way?
[15:35] <wp> nope
[15:35] <jrib> what was the problem with gedit again?
[15:37] <wp> when I use it to show 1407837 lines of text my computer goes very slow... when I try to copy all the lines then my computer are on the verge of crashing and wont copy it all
[15:37] <wp> it at all
[15:37] <jrib> ok
[15:37] <jrib> wp: sudo apt-get install vim
[15:38] <jrib> vim-tiny is apparently not able to do what we ask
[15:38] <persia> Hrm?  vim-tiny supports yank
[15:39] <wp> how do I quit vin?
[15:39] <wp> vim
[15:39] <persia> However vim only yanks to the internal buffer : it doesn't propagate to other applications.
[15:39] <jrib> wp: :q
[15:39] <jrib> persia: right, we were trying to copy to the clipborad
[15:41] <persia> Right, but even vim-full doesn't do that with yank.
[15:42] <wp> persia: is there a good way of copy/past 1407837 lines of text into a firefox dialog?
[15:42] <jrib> wfm
[15:42] <persia> Hrm.  Odd.
[15:42] <wp> done installing vim
[15:42] <jrib> "* corresponds to the X buffer and "+ for the ctrl-c ctrl-v one
[15:42] <jrib> s/buffer/register
[15:42] <jrib> or whatever
[15:43] <jrib> wp: try opening the file again then do:
[15:43] <persia> wp, Try listening to jrib.  If that doesn't work, either use a GUI text editor to load the text, or something like klipper, glipper, or xsel.
[15:43] <jrib> yeah, xsel is a good idea
[15:43] <jrib> "*yy
[15:43] <jrib> then try middle clicking in your browser.  You should get the first line
[15:45] <wp> i dont... i get the old clipboard... that were the name right?
[15:47] <jrib> wp: let's try a different way then
[15:47] <jrib> wp: :q  to close vim
[15:47] <jrib> wp: install xclip
[15:48] <wp> done instaling xclip
[15:49] <jrib> wp: then run: xclip -i /path/to/file
[15:50] <persia> jrib, When you're done, if you figure out which vim script you have installed that makes it work, I'd be happy to have a pointer :)
[15:51] <jrib> persia: doesn't work for you either?
[15:51] <persia> Nope :)
[15:52] <jrib> persia: vim --version | grep xterm_clipboard     returns something?
[15:52] <jrib> with a + of course :)
[15:52] <persia> Yes.
[15:52] <jrib> hmm, /me tries in a fresh vbox
[16:12] <jrib> persia: are you in gnome?  Seems to work without any ~/.vim* after installing vim-gnome
[16:12] <persia> jrib, Hrm.  I use vim-full.  Maybe that's the difference.  I'll investigate a bit.  Thanks.


[00:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server Subiquity riscv64 [Lunar Beta] has been marked as ready
[00:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server arm64+raspi [Lunar Beta] has been marked as ready
[00:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Server armhf+raspi [Lunar Beta] has been marked as ready
[01:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lubuntu-artwork (lunar-proposed/universe) [23.04.2 => 23.04.3] (lubuntu)
[01:51] <arraybolt3> ubuntu-archive: ^ could you please let that lubuntu-artwork upload through? It's a simple bugfix (I accidentally reverted a reference to 23.04 to 22.10 and am putting it back where it's supposed to be).
[01:52] <arraybolt3> (as in, at one point a file said that the distro's title was Lubuntu 23.04, which it is, I accidentally reverted it to say Lubuntu 22.10, now it's being put back to saying Lubuntu 23.04.)
[02:28] <bdmurray> arraybolt3: it'll be reviewed after the beta
[02:30] <arraybolt3> Ah, makes sense.
[02:31] <vorlon> ItzSwirlz: I tested riscv64 subiquity, sorry for not indicating here earlier
[06:36] <LocutusOfBorg> hello, how can we bootstrap things without bileto?
[06:36] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm doing on my ppa...
[06:36] <LocutusOfBorg> (context: kotlin)
[06:40] <adrien> morning
[06:41] <adrien> ginggs: can you unblock strace? :)
[06:57] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: what are you bootstrapping from?
[06:58] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: Archive admins have means of bootstrapping via a bootstrap archive permitted by Launchpad
[07:00] <vorlon> adrien: did I fail to fix the version number up? :/
[07:00] <vorlon> just now noticing
[07:01] <vorlon> wonder if I should back this out and reupload with the right version number
[07:17] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon,  kotlin (1.3.31+~1.0.1+~0.11.12-3) unstable; urgency=medium
[07:17] <LocutusOfBorg> this version has the openjdk build fixes
[07:17] <LocutusOfBorg> for now I'm uploading kotlin in ppa with the built version from Debian
[07:17] <LocutusOfBorg> and then rebuilding the others
[07:33] <adrien> vorlon: oh, you're right; I hadn't paid attention to it (I stopped reading at the "2" of "6.2" /o\ )
[07:34] <adrien> probably better to fix that now
[07:34] <adrien> (but maybe you want to go to bed)
[07:35] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/costamagnagianfranco-ppa/+packages
[07:35] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, ^^
[07:35] <LocutusOfBorg> if you want to copy kotlin
[08:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Core amd64 edge [Lunar Beta] (20230331) has been added
[08:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tzdata (jammy-proposed/main) [2023b-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2023c-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[09:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kotlin (lunar-proposed/universe) [1.3.31+ds1-1 => 1.3.31+ds1-1build3] (no packageset) (sync)
[09:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected kotlin [sync] (lunar-proposed) [1.3.31+ds1-1build3]
[09:56] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, ^^ can you take that one?
[10:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: neutron (focal-proposed/main) [2:16.4.2-0ubuntu6 => 2:16.4.2-0ubuntu6.1] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[10:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tzdata (focal-proposed/main) [2023b-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2023c-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[10:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tzdata (bionic-proposed/main) [2023b-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2023c-0ubuntu0.18.04] (core)
[10:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu WSL [Lunar Beta] has been updated<PHONE_NUMBER>)
[11:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ubuntu-advantage-tools [source] (focal-proposed) [27.14.2~20.04.1]
[11:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ubuntu-advantage-tools [source] (kinetic-proposed) [27.14.2~22.10.1]
[11:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ubuntu-advantage-tools [source] (bionic-proposed) [27.14.2~18.04.1]
[11:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ubuntu-advantage-tools [source] (xenial-proposed) [27.14.2~16.04.1]
[11:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ubuntu-advantage-tools [source] (jammy-proposed) [27.14.2~22.04.1]
[11:59] <fossfreedom> Hi all - since the beta is over has the lunar archive block been removed?  I'm hoping that our budgie-desktop package that has been languishing in proposed for the last week be allowed to migrate.  TIA
[12:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: librest (lunar-proposed/main) [0.9.1-5 => 0.9.1-6] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[12:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kotlin (lunar-proposed/universe) [1.3.31+ds1-1 => 1.3.31+ds1-1build1] (no packageset)
[12:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kotlin [source] (lunar-proposed) [1.3.31+ds1-1build1]
[13:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kotlin (lunar-proposed/universe) [1.3.31+ds1-1build1 => 1.3.31+ds1-1build2] (no packageset)
[13:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kotlin [source] (lunar-proposed) [1.3.31+ds1-1build2]
[13:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gradle-kotlin-dsl [amd64] (lunar-proposed/universe) [0.13.2-5] (no packageset)
[13:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kotlinx-atomicfu [amd64] (lunar-proposed/universe) [0.11.12-2] (no packageset)
[14:12] <LocutusOfBorg> please accept kotlin ^ from binNEW
[14:16] <LocutusOfBorg> ubuntu-archive ^^ please
[14:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-shell (lunar-proposed/main) [44.0-2ubuntu2 => 44.0-2ubuntu3] (desktop-extra, mozilla, ubuntu-desktop)
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kotlinx-atomicfu [amd64] (lunar-proposed) [0.11.12-2]
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gradle-kotlin-dsl [amd64] (lunar-proposed) [0.13.2-5]
[14:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted apache2 [source] (kinetic-proposed) [2.4.54-2ubuntu1.3]
[14:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted apache2 [source] (jammy-proposed) [2.4.52-1ubuntu4.5]
[14:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted spamassassin [source] (kinetic-proposed) [3.4.6-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[14:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted spamassassin [source] (jammy-proposed) [3.4.6-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[14:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted spamassassin [source] (focal-proposed) [3.4.4-1ubuntu1.2]
[14:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: strace (lunar-proposed/main) [5.19-0ubuntu1 => 6.2-0ubuntu1] (core)
[14:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lubuntu-update-notifier [source] (kinetic-proposed) [0.5.1~22.10.3]
[14:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nautilus (lunar-proposed/main) [1:44~rc-1ubuntu1 => 1:44.0-1ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[14:53] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: do not sync packages to the Ubuntu archive from ppas.
[14:54] <AlsoItzSwirlz> even though beta was yesterday are images still being spun up via dailies?
[14:54] <kenvandine> Can someone please kick a daily-live desktop build for lunar?
[14:55] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: it appears you have deleted that kotlin package from your ppa now?  I wanted to look at how the package was built so I could confirm the bootstrap process
[14:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lubuntu-update-notifier [source] (jammy-proposed) [0.5.1~22.04.3]
[14:56] <AlsoItzSwirlz> i can do an arm64 image (not a raspi) if anyone needs
[14:57] <vorlon> AlsoItzSwirlz, kenvandine: https://warthogs.atlassian.net/browse/RTMP-762 it should get done today but there are a few things on the checklist for the release team to follow through on post-beta
[14:58] <AlsoItzSwirlz> no problem
[14:59] <kenvandine> vorlon: thanks, we need to test some livecd-rootfs and subiquity fixes for autoinstall
[15:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted strace [source] (lunar-proposed) [6.2-0ubuntu1]
[15:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted openldap [source] (jammy-proposed) [2.5.14+dfsg-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[15:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: 34 entries have been added, updated or disabled
[15:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: thunderbird (lunar-proposed/main) [1:102.9.0+build1-0ubuntu1 => 1:102.9.1+build1-0ubuntu1] (mozilla, ubuntu-desktop)
[15:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kotlinx-coroutines [amd64] (lunar-proposed/universe) [1.0.1-2] (no packageset)
[16:12] <dbungert> release team, I suggest tracking the status of https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12616 - risc-v snap builds are not functioning, fixes related to libgcc-s1 are needed
[16:12] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Pull 12616 in snapcore/snapd "Merging release/2.58 into beta-riscv64" [Open]
[16:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nautilus (jammy-proposed/main) [1:42.2-0ubuntu2.1 => 1:42.6-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[16:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kotlin (lunar-proposed/universe) [1.3.31+ds1-1build2 => 1.3.31+ds1-1build3] (no packageset)
[16:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kotlin [source] (lunar-proposed) [1.3.31+ds1-1build3]
[16:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-unity-backgrounds [source] (lunar-proposed) [23.04-0ubuntu1]
[16:31] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, please accept kotlinx-coroutines
[16:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted tzdata [source] (lunar-proposed) [2023c-1exp1ubuntu1]
[16:33] <ahasenack> hm, are we supposed to get email reminders of packages stuck in proposed when all tests are green and it's just a freeze block that is leaving them there?
[16:34] <ahasenack> fwiw, I got an email about https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/lunar/update_excuses.html#rsyslog, and I think it could be allowed through, it's an apparmor fix
[16:35] <jbicha> ahasenack: check your Spam folder for stuck in -proposed emails 🫤
[16:35] <ahasenack> I meant the opposite :)
[16:35] <ahasenack> I got it, and was wondering if I should have :)
[16:35] <ahasenack> since all packages are "stuck" now
[16:39] <jbicha> the script isn't set up to examine why packages are stuck. rsyslog is migrating now :)
[16:40] <ahasenack> jbicha: thanks! I guess it served its purpose :)
[16:51] <nteodosio> Has the stucj proposed migration bot gone awry? Received two mail in 15 min about a package that was actually released being blocked.
[16:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-tz [source] (kinetic-proposed) [2022.2.1-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[16:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-tz [source] (jammy-proposed) [2022.1-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[17:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kotlinx-coroutines [amd64] (lunar-proposed) [1.0.1-2]
[17:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: xwayland (lunar-proposed/main) [2:22.1.8-1 => 2:22.1.8-1ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[17:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sbuild (lunar-proposed/main) [0.85.0ubuntu1 => 0.85.0ubuntu2] (ubuntu-desktop)
[17:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted debian-archive-keyring [source] (lunar-proposed) [2023.2ubuntu1]
[17:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: xorg-server (lunar-proposed/main) [2:21.1.7-1ubuntu2 => 2:21.1.7-1ubuntu3] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist, xorg)
[17:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnupg2 [source] (lunar-proposed) [2.2.40-1.1ubuntu1]
[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted rhythmbox [source] (lunar-proposed) [3.4.6-2ubuntu3]
[17:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted vim [source] (lunar-proposed) [2:9.0.1000-4ubuntu3]
[17:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted unity-tweak-tool [source] (lunar-proposed) [0.0.7+-0ubuntu11]
[17:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: isc-kea (lunar-proposed/universe) [2.2.0-5ubuntu1 => 2.2.0-5ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[17:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted isc-kea [source] (lunar-proposed) [2.2.0-5ubuntu2]
[17:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lubuntu-meta (jammy-proposed/universe) [22.04.3 => 23.04.6] (lubuntu)
[17:40] <arraybolt3> ^ please reject the above upload to lubuntu-meta in Jammy, it was a mistake
[17:40] <arraybolt3> (forgot to change jammy to lunar after running dch -r)
[17:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lubuntu-meta (lunar-proposed/universe) [23.04.5 => 23.04.7] (lubuntu)
[17:41] <arraybolt3> ^ the lubuntu-meta upload to Lunar is good and should fix an upgrade error, so if that could be accepted, that would be nice.
[17:41] <arraybolt3> (So reject Jammy lubuntu-meta, accept Lunar lubuntu-meta.)
[17:43] <arraybolt3> Or if I need to fix the changelog in the lubuntu-meta upload to Lunar, I can do that too.
[17:44]  * arraybolt3 needs to not make hurried updates when I'm tired
[17:59] <arraybolt3> Gah. Even the Lunar update is not really done right now that I'm thinking about it.
[18:00] <arraybolt3> ubuntu-archive: Please reject both lubuntu-meta uploads in Lunar and Jammy. I did an update for Lunar, dch -r made it a Jammy upload instead, I missed it and uploaded, then tried to fix is and uploaded to Lunar in a way that was less-than-ideal. I need to just undo that and try again from scratch.
[18:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected lubuntu-meta [source] (lunar-proposed) [23.04.7]
[18:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-control-center [source] (lunar-proposed) [1:44.0-1ubuntu4]
[18:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntustudio-default-settings [source] (lunar-proposed) [23.04.25]
[18:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted openstack-trove [source] (lunar-proposed) [2:19.0.0-0ubuntu2]
[18:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dict-zu [source] (lunar-proposed) [20070207-5ubuntu4]
[18:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libreoffice-voikko [source] (lunar-proposed) [5.0-4build2]
[18:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lubuntu-meta (lunar-proposed/universe) [23.04.5 => 23.04.6] (lubuntu)
[18:29] <arraybolt3> There, got it right this time.
[18:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libcupsfilters [source] (lunar-proposed) [2.0~b4-0ubuntu6]
[18:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lubuntu-artwork [source] (lunar-proposed) [23.04.3]
[18:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libppd [source] (lunar-proposed) [2:2.0~b4-0ubuntu4]
[18:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-shell [source] (lunar-proposed) [44.0-2ubuntu3]
[18:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nautilus [source] (lunar-proposed) [1:44.0-1ubuntu1]
[18:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted thunderbird [source] (lunar-proposed) [1:102.9.1+build1-0ubuntu1]
[18:49] <tsimonq2> The most recent lubuntu-meta in the queue fixes a release blocker, ack from a Lubuntu RM perspective. Thanks in advance for reviewing :)
[18:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xwayland [source] (lunar-proposed) [2:22.1.8-1ubuntu1]
[18:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sbuild [source] (lunar-proposed) [0.85.0ubuntu2]
[18:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: diffoscope (lunar-proposed/universe) [239 => 240] (no packageset) (sync)
[18:58] <bdmurray> tsimonq2, arraybolt3: the upload doesn't point to the release blocking bug though :-(
[18:59] <arraybolt3> bdmurray: That's because it needs accepted to be tested easily. (I guess it *could* have been used in a PPA but I'm not sure that would have been sufficient to test the fix.)
[18:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted diffoscope [sync] (lunar-proposed) [240]
[18:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xorg-server [source] (lunar-proposed) [2:21.1.7-1ubuntu3]
[18:59] <arraybolt3> From a "packages on the ISO" perspective, I believe it should be a no-op or close to. It's only for unbreaking an upgrade problem.
[18:59] <arraybolt3> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/2013475 for details
[18:59] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2013475 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "Upgrade from Lubuntu kinetic to Lubuntu Lunar beta fails" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[19:00] <arraybolt3> I felt it would be inappropriate to put an LP: #XXXXXX indicator in the upload as if it fixed the bug without knowing that it fixed the bug. I can close the bug if it fixes it as expected.
[19:01] <bdmurray> You could also reopen it if it didn't really fix it but as you wish
[19:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lubuntu-meta [source] (lunar-proposed) [23.04.6]
[19:30] <vorlon> seb128: can you remind me exactly how the .pot file for ubiquity gets updated from the sources so that translation teams have the right set of strings in launchpad to work on?
[19:52] <seb128> vorlon, see 'Updating the translations' on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/
[20:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kotlin (lunar-proposed/universe) [1.3.31+ds1-1build3 => 1.3.31+ds1-1build4] (no packageset)
[20:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kotlinx-atomicfu (lunar-proposed/universe) [0.11.12-2 => 0.11.12-2build1] (no packageset)
[20:00] <vorlon> seb128: thanks
[20:00] <seb128> np!
[20:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kotlin [source] (lunar-proposed) [1.3.31+ds1-1build4]
[20:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kotlinx-atomicfu [source] (lunar-proposed) [0.11.12-2build1]
[21:47] <mitya57> Please reject sphinx 5.3.0-3ubuntu1 from lunar unapproved queue. That change is not enough to make the autopkgtest pass. Version 5.3.0-4, also in the queue, contains the proper fix.
[21:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcompris-qt (lunar-proposed/universe) [3.1-2 => 3.1-3] (kubuntu) (sync)
[23:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gradle-kotlin-dsl (lunar-proposed/universe) [0.13.2-5 => 0.13.2-5build1] (no packageset)
[23:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gradle-kotlin-dsl [source] (lunar-proposed) [0.13.2-5build1]
[23:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kotlinx-atomicfu (lunar-proposed/universe) [0.11.12-2build1 => 0.11.12-2build2] (no packageset)
[23:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kotlin (lunar-proposed/universe) [1.3.31+ds1-1build4 => 1.3.31+ds1-1build5] (no packageset)
[23:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kotlinx-coroutines (lunar-proposed/universe) [1.0.1-2 => 1.0.1-2build1] (no packageset)
[23:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kotlin [source] (lunar-proposed) [1.3.31+ds1-1build5]
[23:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kotlinx-atomicfu [source] (lunar-proposed) [0.11.12-2build2]
[23:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kotlinx-coroutines [source] (lunar-proposed) [1.0.1-2build1]


[04:47] <superm1> Hi guys, what format do you want patches in when submitting to the mailing list?  (what arguments to get-format-patch)
[06:13] <TheMuso> c
[06:13] <TheMuso> ugh
[06:15] <superm1> TheMuso, trying to detect the pattern, at 20:23, i saw the same c, ugh in another channel now :)
[06:16] <TheMuso> superm1: Its to do with a few things. My kvm, and a program I use to read the screen to me.
[06:16] <superm1> ah
[01:03] <pipo> hi! are there someone spanish that can help me ? :P
[01:03] <pipo> my english is very bad >_<
[01:03] <Nafallo> pipo: #ubuntu-es probably
[01:03] <pipo> hi nafallo ;)
[01:04] <pipo> i try explain my problem in english, but i think that you don't understand me
[01:04] <Nafallo> pipo: the problem is about current Ubuntu  developmment then?D[D[D[D[D[D[D
[01:05] <Nafallo> ehrm. I hate my PC.
[01:05] <pipo> is about the kernel of linux
[01:05] <pipo> i need to apply a patch (perfctr) to use the program PAPI
[01:05] <Nafallo> sure, but  is about the current development version of the distribution Ubuntus kernel?
[01:06] <pipo> I apply the patch correctly and recompile the kernel, but when i reboot the system and select this kernel, it don't run ...
[01:06] <pipo> i'm recompiling the 2.6.18 kernel version
[01:06] <pipo> in next versions the patch can't be applied
[01:06] <Nafallo> sorry then. this is not a channel for user questions really. you should use #ubuntu or #ubuntu-es :-)
[01:07] <pipo> oh sorry :P
[01:07] <Nafallo> no problem
[01:07] <pipo> do you now some channel for this ??
[01:07] <pipo> know >_<
[01:07] <Nafallo> "#ubuntu or #ubuntu-es :-)"
[01:07] <pipo> ok thanks ;)
[02:11] <\sh> hmmm...looks like I found a bug in the work between large partition sizes and eit/gpt tables in latest feisty kernel
[05:34] <byzzyb> hello everyone. I have a question. I tried fedora linux but it froze after boot right after loading initrd.img becouse of my ALi SATA/RAID M5289 Controller... at #ubuntu-installer they said I'll have to ask my questions here. So: Will and x64 Ubuntu work on my PC?
[05:35] <byzzyb>  Will x64 Ubuntu work on my PC?
[05:35] <byzzyb> *correction
[05:54] <byzzyb> hm... any ideas?
[07:24] <zul> yee haw im going home in an hour


[03:42] <linaporras> Hi
[03:47] <linaporras> Is anybody here?
[03:47] <Unit193> Need somethin'?
[03:48] <linaporras> Yes
[03:49] <linaporras> I am from Ubuntu Colombia... and I need your help for installing meetingology in the #ubuntu-co-meeting channel
[03:53] <Unit193> jose, AlanBell: ---^
[07:43] <AlanBell> linaporras: is it there now?
[11:55] <linaporras> AlanBell, are you here?
[11:56] <AlanBell> yes
[11:56] <k1l> linaporras: do you need AlanBell or can some one other help you?
[11:57] <linaporras> Anyone
[11:57] <linaporras> I Guess
[11:57] <linaporras> Well... I need help in order to install Meetingology in #ubuntu-co-meeting channel.
[11:58] <AlanBell> is it not there?
[11:58] <linaporras> No
[11:59] <AlanBell> totally is ;)
[11:59] <AlanBell> you are not though
[12:00] <linaporras> Oh... really!


[05:55] <tonyyarusso> Someone should fix their connection.
[21:07] <Takyoji> Gah, I have yet to see Linux "in the wild", or more especially, in a school: http://mainelinux.com/video/linux-maine-schools
[21:08] <Takyoji> Only times I believe I've seen a Linux installation was at a Mill's Fleet Farm (I believe) in Mankato, and a LiveCD Firefox (like Firefox v1 or so though) on some old systems at a coffee shop for public to use.
[21:18] <Obsidian1723> Home Depot uses Linux too.
[21:23] <tonyyarusso> and the University of Minnesota's Computer Science department
[21:25] <Obsidian1723> right on
[23:29] <Obsidian1723> anyone looking for work, this networking list may help out. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/914191/Master%20Networking%20list%209-19-10.pdf