[01:27] <KGB-0> gnome-shell Jordi Mallach 373502 * commented merge request !67 * https://deb.li/3JEgI
[07:57] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[08:01] <duflu> Hi seb128
[08:02] <seb128> duflu, hey, how are you today?
[08:02] <duflu> seb128, alright. Not sure how or when the day will finish with ongoing work. I guess I'll keep going tonight after the meeting. How are you?
[08:03] <seb128> tired but alright
[08:03] <seb128> what are you trying to finish today?
[08:03] <duflu> seb128, a side quest from triple buffering
[12:14] <RikMills> hi desktop team. I need to get wayaland-protocols updated fro 1.27 to at least 1.31 for lunar, due to minumim requirement for the next KDE plasma. I am hoping that debian-qt-kde team can swing that their side, but I would prefer to have a belt and braces plan to do it this side just in case
[12:15] <RikMills> anyway, I will open a bug in the next few days, and link here
[12:29] <seb128> tjaalton, ^
[13:04] <tjaalton> ack
[14:34] <KGB-2> gnome-text-editor signed tags 70c880f Jeremy Bicha upstream/43.2 * Upstream version 43.2 * https://deb.li/31wil
[14:34] <KGB-0> gnome-text-editor pristine-tar 6b7a59e Jeremy Bicha gnome-text-editor_43.2.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-text-editor_43.2.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-text-editor_43.2.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/3i0Ax
[16:51] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center signed tags f3d6a06 Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/1%44_alpha-0ubuntu1 * gnome-control-center Debian release 1:44~alpha-0ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/3SmQi
[16:51] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center signed tags c19080a Jeremy Bicha upstream/44_alpha * Upstream version 44~alpha * https://deb.li/NR00
[16:51] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master ad0fc35 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 206 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/igoS2
[16:51] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master a200eac Vasil Pupkin po/be.po * Update Belarusian translation * https://deb.li/2LkV
[16:51] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 0dd780f sunflowerskater shell/cc-window.c * cc-window: Don't trigger main search when pressing CTRL+S * https://deb.li/3ho1g
[16:51] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center pristine-tar 76e1a7f Jeremy Bicha gnome-control-center_44~alpha.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-control-center_44~alpha.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-control-center_44~alpha.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/37R5d
[16:51] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 1250b0f raihan2000 panels/usage/cc-usage-panel.c * https://deb.li/8mZN
[16:51] <KGB-2> file-history:Added dialog on Clear History button
[16:51] <KGB-2> - Rewrite clear_recent function to show dialog.
[16:51] <KGB-2> - Added on_clear_recent_warning_response_cb function
[16:51] <KGB-2> - to show warning on clicking Clear History button.
[16:51] <KGB-2> This commit fixes https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/-/issues/1952
[16:51] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Issue 1952 in GNOME/gnome-control-center "Clearing file history should ask for a confirmation" [Closed]
[16:52] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master ff151be Marco Melorio panels/sound/ cc-balance-slider.c cc-balance-slider.ui cc-fade-slider.c cc-fade-slider.ui * sound: Don't flip the balance and fade sliders in RTL * https://deb.li/3NpNx
[16:52] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 34bbc50 sunflowerskater panels/screen/cc-screen-panel.ui * screen: Make some strings shorter * https://deb.li/R4Wy
[16:52] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center upstream/latest 38831cf Jeremy Bicha * pushed 196 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3zRV4
[16:52] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center upstream/latest 4f850f1 Sebastian Keller panels/sound/cc-alert-chooser.c * sound: Update sounds directory mtime when changing alert sound * https://deb.li/33lLM
[16:52] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center upstream/latest 514f7bd Yosef Or Boczko po/he.po * Update Hebrew translation * https://deb.li/iOmgj
[16:52] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center upstream/latest 2a33969 sunflowerskater panels/firmware-security/cc-firmware-security-panel.ui * firmware-security: Fix strings and mark some of them as translatable * https://deb.li/U4H7
[16:52] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center upstream/latest 294156c Felipe Borges (18 files in 13 dirs) * Drop most uses of deprecated gtk_style_context_add/remove_class * https://deb.li/mlbF
[16:52] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center upstream/latest 3ed7841 Maksym Hazevych build-aux/flatpak/org.gnome.Settings.json * flatpak: Disable XWayland for mutter * https://deb.li/3amk1
[16:56] <jbicha> ugh, dh_translations looks broken on lunar right now :( (seen in gnome-control-center and gnome-text-editor build failures)
[17:03] <jbicha> broken by new debhelper
[19:18] <GunnarHj> jbicha, LocutusOfBorg: Possible workaround of the dh_translations break:
[19:18] <GunnarHj> https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/+archive/ubuntu/debhelper/+packages
[19:30] <GunnarHj> jbicha, LocutusOfBorg: This is the applied patch: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/P8qM2sHn9C/ . It's a commit in response to a wishlist bug.
[22:07] <KGB-2> nautilus signed tags 2543583 Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/1%43.0-1ubuntu2.1 * Debian release 1:43.0-1ubuntu2.1 * https://deb.li/h6qV
[22:07] <KGB-0> nautilus signed tags 4d82816 Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/1%43.2-0ubuntu1 * nautilus Debian release 1:43.2-0ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/3SExg
[22:07] <KGB-0> nautilus ubuntu/kinetic f0d39c1 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 121 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/NQoN
[22:07] <KGB-0> nautilus ubuntu/kinetic a9fa61e António Fernandes data/org.gnome.nautilus.gschema.xml src/nautilus-enums.h src/nautilus-grid-view.c * grid-view: Reintroduce 64px icon size * https://deb.li/igzEx
[22:07] <KGB-0> nautilus ubuntu/kinetic a7a682a António Fernandes src/nautilus-file.c * file: Check minimum thumbnail size independently from scale * https://deb.li/2jiv
[22:08] <KGB-0> nautilus ubuntu/kinetic b4131ea Gary Li src/nautilus-progress-indicator.c * progress-indicator: Disconnect signals from cancelled operations * https://deb.li/3hzcn
[22:08] <KGB-0> nautilus ubuntu/kinetic af81a06 Corey Berla src/nautilus-file-operations.c * file-operations: Remove unnecessary filesystem check * https://deb.li/8Ehs
[22:08] <KGB-0> nautilus ubuntu/kinetic d113377 Corey Berla src/nautilus-file-operations.c * file-operations: Apply existing FAT filename rules to exfat * https://deb.li/3oA5U


[12:50] <davidrama> High
[12:50] <davidrama> oups .. hi
[12:52] <davidrama> Anyone knows why sometimes hosts in commisionning phase get hung at IP-Config stage with DHCP RARP timoute ?
[12:52] <davidrama> timeouts ..
[12:52] <davidrama> ugins Mellanox Connect-X3 nics.
[13:20] <roaksoax> davidrama: could be issues with the hardware ?
[13:21] <roaksoax> davidrama: at what stage do they hang
[13:38] <davidrama> roaksoax on 3 servers onlz one has this issue so far, it hangs at the commisionning phase if this is a phase >D
[15:28] <ciscokid> Hello
[15:29] <ciscokid> I'm Frank
[15:29] <sentinel-prime> hi frank
[15:30] <ciscokid> What are u looking for
[15:32] <ciscokid> Frank
[21:03] <dannf> roaksoax, newell : are arm64 pods supported w/ maas 2.4, or is that a 2.5 thing?
[21:03]  * dannf suggests s/2.3.0/2.4.0/ in /topic
[21:07] <newell> dannf: 2.5
[21:09] <dannf> newell: cool - would it be possible to update the 2.4 release notes to note that it's x86 (or whatever architectures) only for that release?
[21:09] <dannf> newell: do you know when 2.5 snapshots will start hitting the PPA?
[21:10] <dannf> patriciadomin is interested in doing more testing w/ it
[21:11] <dannf> actually, patriciadomin, looks like these docs might be on github if you want to propose that change (2.4 is x86-only)
[21:11] <dannf> patriciadomin: https://docs.maas.io/2.4/en/contributing-writing
[21:11] <newell> dannf: https://launchpad.net/~maas-maintainers/+archive/ubuntu/experimental3
[21:11] <newell> dannf: as far as release notes, roaksoax would make call on that
[21:11] <newell> dannf: not a bad suggestion though
[21:13] <dannf> newell: thx - yeah, if the software doesn't tell you not-supported when you try to use it, release notes seems like the obvious backup
[21:19] <Supo> Hi all,
[21:20] <Supo> i'm looking for some advice on why i am seeing "no mbr magic treating disk as raw" during deploy
[21:20] <Supo> this happens after it deploys and during reboot
[21:22] <Supo> has anyone seen this?
[21:56] <roaksoax> dannf: 2.5
[22:16] <mup> Bug #1779953 opened: [API, doc] API documentation is not consistent on value types for parameters <api> <doc> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1779953>


[02:01] <akiva-mobile> Hey all
[02:01] <akiva-mobile> I live in vancouver; mind if I join the team?
[02:43] <willwh> akiva-mobile: hahahaha
[02:43] <willwh> unreal :D
[02:43] <akiva-mobile> hmm?
[02:43] <willwh> I'm in Victoria
[02:43] <akiva-mobile> yah indeed
[02:43] <akiva-mobile> richmond
[02:43] <willwh> just funny we were talking in #ubuntu
[02:44] <akiva-mobile> heh; I just joined the vanloco today
[02:44] <akiva-mobile> seems sporatic
[02:44] <willwh> are you just getting in to ubuntu
[02:44] <willwh> or moved recently?
[02:44] <willwh> I've idled in this channel for YEARS
[02:44] <akiva-mobile> no, ive been here 2006
[02:44] <akiva-mobile> just never knew about locos
[02:44] <willwh> ah cool, yeah I came to Canada in 2007
[02:44] <willwh> from Scotland originally :)
[02:45] <akiva-mobile> wow; that is very cool
[02:50] <willwh> akiva-mobile: we should talk some more another time
[02:50] <willwh> I do need to run, have to put kids to bed
[02:51] <akiva-mobile> yah totally
[02:51] <akiva-mobile> catch yah willwh
[03:44] <willwh> akiva-mobile: here again :)
[03:44] <akiva-mobile> willwh, heh, I just had someone yell at me in #ubuntu
[03:45] <willwh> it's very common
[03:45] <willwh> honestly... that channel is hilariously entertaining
[03:45] <akiva-mobile> willwh, he was asking a windows question, and I did a !windows to him
[03:45] <akiva-mobile> and he got really flustered
[03:45] <akiva-mobile> turned out he knew me
[03:45] <willwh> lol
[03:46] <willwh> so what do you do?
[03:46] <akiva-mobile> because 4 months ago, i helped him with his ubuntu server, and spent like 2 freaking days writing a python script
[03:46] <willwh> I work www.netromedia.com (.net shop mostly)
[03:46] <willwh> at*
[03:46] <willwh> we're building this atm: www.streamtest.net
[03:46] <akiva-mobile> because he was playing around in sudo with chown, and mucked it up badly
[03:46] <willwh> ah, ye, ppl often do that
[03:46] <willwh> lol
[03:46] <willwh> had a few hours of contract work fixing messes like it ;)
[03:47] <willwh> chown -R www-data:www-data / - or something daft like that
[03:47] <akiva-mobile> long story short, he shouted, pm'd me, called me all sorts of names... and I am like... where is your perspective?  Skype?
[03:49] <willwh> no, for rtmp/http delivered video
[03:49] <akiva-mobile> ah i see
[03:50] <willwh> we're going to support rtsp soonish too
[03:50] <akiva-mobile> very nicely done.
[03:50] <willwh> it's .net, built on windows azure
[03:50] <willwh> yeah pretty cool project tbh, been a lot of fun
[03:50] <akiva-mobile> excuse my ignorance, but I am not familiar with either rtsp or rtmp :P
[03:50] <willwh> lots of work left to do though
[03:50] <akiva-mobile> how is working with .net?
[03:50] <willwh> ah, rtmp = adobe's flash video protocol
[03:50] <akiva-mobile> its not under any of the languages I use, so :P
[03:50] <akiva-mobile> ah
[03:50] <willwh> rtsp - real time streaming protocol - IP cameras and the like
[03:51] <willwh> old android phones too, old blackberry
[03:51] <akiva-mobile> you make money from advertising then?
[03:51] <willwh> .net is pretty decent
[03:51] <willwh> no load testing
[03:51] <akiva-mobile> oh wait, pricing
[03:51] <akiva-mobile> interesting business model
[03:51] <willwh> I'm hoping to talk to netflix soon, want to support them
[03:51] <akiva-mobile> yah I bet
[03:51] <willwh> and a variety of others
[03:52] <akiva-mobile> what about steam?
[03:52] <akiva-mobile> valve*
[03:52] <akiva-mobile> they have streaming, don't they?
[03:52] <willwh> not sure there is a need really
[03:52] <willwh> we're going to have a pure client test for free
[03:52] <willwh> with tons of diagnostics
[03:52] <akiva-mobile> nice.
[03:52] <willwh> should be easy to add to that
[03:53] <akiva-mobile> do you program .net on linux or windows?
[03:53] <willwh> yeah - so the way it works is this:
[03:53] <willwh> this is done in windows, as it's run on the azure cloud
[03:53] <willwh> but I run other parts of our stuff in mono
[03:53] <akiva-mobile> what ide do you use for mono?
[03:53] <akiva-mobile> mono dev?
[03:54] <willwh> yup
[03:54] <akiva-mobile> shame it doesnt work with unity
[03:54] <willwh> nginx + fastcgi on the server
[03:54] <willwh> yeah - I'd love to get in to game development tbh
[03:54] <willwh> oh, you don't mean unity engine
[03:54] <willwh> hahahaha
[03:54] <willwh> :D
[03:55] <willwh> you mean ubuntu's unity
[03:55] <akiva-mobile> no lol, I mean that it doesnt integrate
[03:55] <akiva-mobile> yah
[03:55] <willwh> well
[03:55] <willwh> I think I read a couple of days ago
[03:55] <willwh> xamarin, the guys who started mono
[03:55] <akiva-mobile> for me; the ide's or any development programs, ahve to support the hud
[03:55] <willwh> are maybe going to be acquired by ms
[03:55] <willwh> I use vim for most dev, I do tons of node.js :P
[03:55] <willwh> for my personal stuff anyway
[03:56] <akiva-mobile> I want to use vim
[03:56] <willwh> why don't you? :)
[03:56] <akiva-mobile> but vim was designed for qwerty
[03:56] <akiva-mobile> and so its awkward with colemak
[03:56] <willwh> you're a dvorak?
[03:56] <willwh> colemak wtf is that
[03:56] <akiva-mobile> no, colemak
[03:56] <willwh> D:
[03:56] <akiva-mobile> sec
[03:56]  * willwh looks
[03:57] <willwh> ah
[03:57] <willwh> cool
[03:57] <akiva-mobile> http://youtu.be/6B7RgV-aLSk
[03:57] <akiva-mobile> I just recently did a video on it.
[03:58] <willwh> ah that's you?
[03:58] <akiva-mobile> yep
[03:58] <willwh> where did you record that?
[03:58] <willwh> it's noisey :P
[03:58] <akiva-mobile> timmy's
[03:59] <willwh> ofc
[03:59] <willwh> hahahaha
[03:59] <willwh> so where are you from?
[03:59] <akiva-mobile> 24 hours
[03:59] <akiva-mobile> vancouver
[03:59] <willwh> born and raised
[03:59] <willwh> ?
[03:59] <akiva-mobile> scottland is more interesting
[03:59] <akiva-mobile> but vancouver
[03:59] <willwh> well, I live on Vancouver Island
[03:59] <willwh> :P
[03:59] <willwh> Victoria, like I said
[03:59] <akiva-mobile> my mother is german, my father is of british descent. I descend from Sir Francis Drake.
[03:59] <willwh> ah
[04:00] <akiva-mobile> yar!
[04:00] <akiva-mobile> buccaneers ftw
[04:00] <willwh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Reivers
[04:00] <willwh> my last name is Hetherington
[04:00] <willwh> my family moved over the border in the 16th century
[04:01] <willwh> tons of us in the borders of scotland
[04:01] <akiva-mobile> willwh, interesting. Do you want scotland independence?
[04:01] <willwh> well, it's a very interesting question
[04:01] <akiva-mobile> hear there has been talk of it lately
[04:01] <willwh> yes
[04:01] <willwh> there is a referrendum coming up
[04:01] <akiva-mobile> your vote?
[04:01] <willwh> and they just changed the rules
[04:01] <willwh> so I think I'll be able to vote now
[04:01] <akiva-mobile> how so?
[04:01] <akiva-mobile> ah
[04:01] <akiva-mobile> okay
[04:01] <willwh> well, prior to this change
[04:01] <willwh> you had to be a resident in scotland to vote
[04:02] <willwh> I am a permanent resident in canada
[04:02] <willwh> going to apply for citizenship soon
[04:02] <willwh> but
[04:02] <willwh> they are reducing the age to 16 in scotland
[04:02] <willwh> i.e. 16 year olds will be able to vote for this
[04:02] <akiva-mobile> and you want to seperate?
[04:02] <willwh> one of my brothers was killed in afghanistan last april
[04:02] <willwh> fighting for the british army
[04:02] <willwh> and yes
[04:03] <akiva-mobile> wow, horrid. To him though, thank you for serving
[04:03] <willwh> I think I will vote for independance
[04:03] <willwh> well, I don't know
[04:03] <akiva-mobile> britain has a bunch of issues; namely its debt and its high level of soft socialism
[04:03] <willwh> yes
[04:03] <willwh> I won't go back to the UK I don't think
[04:04] <akiva-mobile> If britain was more economically free, I doubt anyone would be interested
[04:04] <willwh> I married a Canadian, have a son and daughter (2.5 and duaghter is just 3months )
[04:04] <willwh> well - honestly what worries me is GCHQ
[04:04] <willwh> haha
[04:04] <akiva-mobile> its the same reason why ukraine collapsed; they were the most socialistic and most difficult place to do business in all of europe
[04:04] <willwh> I have friends who *cough* have some fringe invovlement with some of that
[04:04] <akiva-mobile> gchq?
[04:05] <willwh> british intelligence basicallyt
[04:05] <willwh> government communications headquarters
[04:05] <willwh> :P
[04:05] <akiva-mobile> ah snowden stuff?
[04:05] <willwh> somewhat yes
[04:05] <akiva-mobile> yah
[04:05] <akiva-mobile> in alabama they have issues with this
[04:05] <akiva-mobile> state seperatists are being labled as terrorists and what not
[04:05] <akiva-mobile> a bunch of rubbish if you ask me.
[04:06] <willwh> http://cryptome.org/2014/03/nsa-hunt-sysadmins.pdf
[04:06] <akiva-mobile> unions are voluntary
[04:06] <akiva-mobile> yah I saw that
[04:06] <akiva-mobile> willwh, ever watch the linux action show?
[04:06] <willwh> it's childish in it's compsition
[04:06] <willwh> no I don't
[04:06] <willwh> should I? :)
[04:06] <akiva-mobile> you should;
[04:06] <akiva-mobile> they have a show the nextday called linux unplugged
[04:07] <akiva-mobile> and popey shows up in mumble, as with other many prominent members
[04:07] <akiva-mobile> and discuss linux issues
[04:07] <akiva-mobile> the reason I brought it up though
[04:07] <akiva-mobile> is that chris, the guy who runs that has another podcast called unfiltered, which follows all the nsa jazz. decent show
[04:07] <willwh> they have a mumble server?
[04:07] <akiva-mobile> sometimes a bit too zealous, but you get all the news needed.
[04:07] <willwh> :)
[04:08] <akiva-mobile> willwh, yah
[04:08] <akiva-mobile> willwh, and you know popey right?
[04:08] <willwh> dont think so
[04:08] <akiva-mobile> ah well hes like jono bacon sort of
[04:08] <willwh> k
[04:08] <akiva-mobile> being a head developer of ubuntu
[04:09] <akiva-mobile> not a community manager, but you get the jiff
[04:09] <willwh> ye
[04:09] <akiva-mobile> willwh, anyways, scotts are really cool in my opinion
[04:09] <akiva-mobile> one of the great homogenous cultures out there
[04:10] <akiva-mobile> willwh, do you dawn the clan colours ever?
[04:10] <willwh> oh yeah :)
[04:10] <willwh> my dad wears his mother's colours though, Murray
[04:10] <akiva-mobile> good :)
[04:10] <willwh> so do I and my brother
[04:11] <willwh> and so did my other brother
[04:11] <akiva-mobile> very neat.
[04:11] <akiva-mobile> i learned the other week, that scottland actually used to have colonies in the americas at one time
[04:11] <willwh> http://www.kiltmakers.com/assets/media/large_images/007/7661.jpg
[04:12] <akiva-mobile> I thought that was pretty interesting
[04:12] <willwh> that's the dress murray tartan
[04:12] <willwh> it's Scotland btw
[04:12] <willwh> just one t :)
[04:12] <akiva-mobile> I beg your pardon
[04:12] <willwh> the scots are everywhere
[04:12] <akiva-mobile> english lessons taught me to double the consanants after short vowels
[04:12] <willwh> and responsible for a lot of the modern world
[04:12] <willwh> ;)
[04:12] <akiva-mobile> adam smith
[04:13] <akiva-mobile> <3
[04:13] <willwh> "_
[04:13] <willwh> that was my house in high school "smith house"
[04:13] <willwh> haha
[04:13] <willwh> for him
[04:13] <akiva-mobile> very nice
[04:13] <willwh> my family are all there
[04:13] <willwh> if you ever visit, let me know
[04:14] <willwh> my sister has a sweet flat right in the centre of the old town , on the royal mile
[04:14] <willwh> and she runs a tea shop across the road
[04:14] <akiva-mobile> Wow that is very kind of you
[04:14] <willwh> but ye usually have a room for short term rent
[04:14] <akiva-mobile> willwh, favourite scot hollywood movie?
[04:14] <willwh> hmm
[04:14] <willwh> probably rob roy
[04:14] <willwh> heh
[04:15] <akiva-mobile> yah
[04:15] <akiva-mobile> rob roy
[04:15] <akiva-mobile> was going to say
[04:15] <willwh> 'cause braveheart is terrible
[04:15] <willwh> trainspotting is crazy :)
[04:15] <willwh> I have a couple of friends in that movie, just extras
[04:16] <willwh> if you haven't watched it
[04:16] <willwh> A History of Scotland
[04:16] <akiva-mobile> willwh, yah braveheart...
[04:16] <willwh> is a bbc production I think
[04:16] <willwh> is awesome
[04:16] <willwh> it's an 8 part series I think
[04:16] <akiva-mobile> willwh, its the scotish production of the patriot; just awful
[04:16] <willwh> yep
[04:16] <willwh> ah, when you say scottish, two t's
[04:16] <willwh> but, Scotland, and Scot(s)
[04:16] <akiva-mobile> William wallace was apparently much larger than mel gibson
[04:17] <akiva-mobile> and he apparently did a lot of pillaging
[04:17] <willwh> you know what's horrible
[04:17] <akiva-mobile> what?
[04:17] <willwh> at stirling castle
[04:17] <willwh> there is the wallace monument across the valley a biot
[04:17] <willwh> it's this huge stone needle/tower kind of things
[04:17] <willwh> thing*
[04:17] <akiva-mobile> what is horrible about it?
[04:17] <willwh> and then, there is a statue of old mel, in the car park in the castle
[04:18] <akiva-mobile> oh lol
[04:18] <akiva-mobile> ha ha
[04:18] <willwh> so many of the visitors assume that's the wallace monument
[04:18] <willwh> it's a crying shame
[04:18] <akiva-mobile> ha ha
[04:18] <willwh> https://plus.google.com/u/0/110606524902527184212/posts
[04:18] <willwh> that's the wallace monument
[04:19] <akiva-mobile> very nice
[04:19] <akiva-mobile> i really don't think its possible to grab a sword in rob roy....
[04:20] <akiva-mobile> i mean maybe it is
[04:20] <akiva-mobile> he did have an angle to it.
[04:21] <akiva-mobile> willwh, what kind of game development do you want to get into?
[04:21] <willwh> meh, I am so busy dude
[04:22] <willwh> I would love to dive in to building a cross platform, open pvp, loot MMO
[04:22] <willwh> i.e. if I had unlimited funds... that is what I would do
[04:22] <willwh> :)
[04:22] <willwh> full loot*
[04:22] <akiva-mobile> willwh, I sporatically have plans for such a thing
[04:23] <akiva-mobile> and some development from time to time.  One thing I want to do, is grab the tile data from open maps
[04:23] <willwh> mine would be fantasy though
[04:23] <akiva-mobile> which will cost a few hundred dollars
[04:23] <akiva-mobile> database it
[04:23] <akiva-mobile> and use that to generate a real world map
[04:24] <akiva-mobile> the possibilities with that are tremendous.
[04:24] <willwh> yes indeed
[04:24] <willwh> the problem of course is population
[04:24] <akiva-mobile> willwh, fantasy would be hard
[04:24] <akiva-mobile> they are a dime a dozen.
[04:24] <willwh> not full loot, open pvp
[04:24] <willwh> right now, there is darkfall unholy wars
[04:24] <willwh> and it's directx 11
[04:25] <akiva-mobile> i'd only be interested in developing on the ubuntu platform tbh :P
[04:25] <willwh> that's about the only one I've played that is even half decent in the last few years
[04:25] <willwh> fair play
[04:25] <willwh> I'd still be up for that
[04:25] <akiva-mobile> I used to play a lot of world of tanks, until I was able to escape it and finally get back to being productive.
[04:26] <akiva-mobile> geez those games are dangerous like that :P
[04:26] <willwh> oh yes indeed they are
[04:26] <akiva-mobile> willwh, hey do you have any experience with cmake?
[04:26] <akiva-mobile> I am trying to build unity
[04:26] <willwh> I don't
[04:26] <akiva-mobile> and am having an error
[04:26] <akiva-mobile> bah
[04:26] <akiva-mobile> shucks
[04:28] <willwh> you're trying to build untiy
[04:28] <willwh> :)
[04:29] <willwh> what are you changing?
[04:29] <willwh> haha
[04:29] <akiva-mobile> willwh, I want to build a scope for the terminal
[04:29] <akiva-mobile> embedding terminals are tough
[04:29] <akiva-mobile> but I think I know a way to do it
[04:30] <akiva-mobile> but that would be great if you could press the dash and have a terminal scope pop up
[04:30] <willwh> ctrl + alt + t works for me :P
[04:31] <akiva-mobile> willwh, but to have a perpetually active one
[04:32] <akiva-mobile> i mean, ctrl alt f1 works as well, but blah
[14:57] <BobJonkman2> akiva-mobile, willwh: You may be looking for something like Guake -- sits in the top panel (I'm using Mate, a Gnome2 fork), and it pops in/out with F12. Doesn't open a new terminal or close a session, just displays it http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/guake or https://github.com/Guake/guake/


 Never mark them duplicates
[04:23] <intrader> I am running this irc client from ubuntu 10.10 beta. A lot of the problems reported in bug 631130 seem to be better. Still testing.
[04:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 631130 in opensuse (and 3 other projects) "In all apps, slow UI since 10.04 install (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 20)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631130
[05:19] <Takyoji> So I take it that /dev/mixer was removed in 10.10?
[05:33] <rusivi> Regarding bug 377364 I could not confirm the error message in either Jaunty or Maverick. Mark Fix Released Jaunty with stock response?
[05:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 377364 in eucalyptus (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 2 other projects) "package eucalyptus-nc 1.5~bzr266-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (affects: 3) (dups: 2) (heat: 6)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/377364
[05:34] <rusivi> Installed in both, error message mentioned did not occur.
[05:39] <rusivi> cannot edit status anyways moving on
[05:45] <micahg> rusivi: we mark invalid if we can't confirm and it was never confirmed
[05:46] <micahg> rusivi: it's an upgrade bug, have you tried installing and then upgrading that package?
[05:47] <micahg> hmmm, no -updates to test with :(
[05:48] <micahg> rusivi: I'd close with the no response stock reply at this point, unless we get some feedback, it probably wont' be SRU'd and a year later, the reporter most likely doesn't care
[05:53] <rusivi> micahg: I am not allowed to toggle the status b/c I'm not maintainer.
[05:53] <rusivi> no big deal
[05:53] <micahg> rusivi: you can't change fix released, but you should be able to change incomplete
[05:53] <rusivi> micahg: I got denied on the incomplete for Jaunty
[05:53] <micahg> that must be new
[05:53] <rusivi> hehe no offense taken here.
[05:54] <rusivi> no big deal
[05:54]  * micahg wonders if it's a bug
[05:54] <micahg> rusivi: so, I'll add the stock response then
[05:55] <rusivi> micahg: sounds good to me
[05:55] <AbhiJit> bye
[05:55] <micahg> rusivi: you can mark it on the hugday page if you want
[05:56] <rusivi> micahg: what is a hugday page?
[05:56] <micahg> or I can do that too
[05:56] <micahg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100930
[05:56] <micahg> oh, it's not on it
[05:57] <rusivi> hugday = bugday sorry I got it now
[05:57] <rusivi> *rusivi wishes this was skype... :D)
[05:58] <micahg> why?
[05:59] <rusivi> I'm jk'ing, I am partial to Skype that's all. IRC is cool too
[06:12] <wasnik> hi guys alsa does not work for me. ubuntu does not detect any of my soundcards
[06:12] <micahg> !support | wasnik
[06:12] <ubot2> wasnik: The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[06:13] <wasnik> so what is this channel about
[06:13] <wasnik> i felt u guys help on bugs
[06:13] <micahg> wasnik: we help triage and file bugs
[06:14] <micahg> wasnik: #ubuntu can help you see if you have a bug or not, if you do, we can help you file it
[06:29] <rusivi> bug 377632 Just installed it in Jaunty, did not crash.
[06:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 377632 in schism (Ubuntu Jaunty) (and 1 other project) "Crash with "stack smashing detected" at start (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 15)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/377632
[06:29] <rusivi> Did not crash after opening the program.
[06:32] <micahg> rusivi: I'd say we need more information from the user, maybe an ldd output on the binary?
[06:32] <micahg> perhaps a local library was causing issues
[06:33] <rusivi> micahg: what is ldd output on the binary?
[06:34] <micahg> rusivi: output of: ldd /usr/bin/schism
[06:36] <rusivi> ty
[06:36] <rusivi> just checkin the man page on that one
[08:42] <enav> hi guys... I'm using Linux/ubuntu+eclipse+xdebug to debug my php code...  actually i can see variables in the global scope, but when i try to see variables inside functions they just show empty values... I'm surfed Internet about 2 hour looking for a solution with out success... any suggestion???
[08:43] <micahg> enav: try #ubuntu-server or an eclipse channel maybe
[08:43] <micahg> oops
[08:43] <micahg> enav: maybe not #ubuntu-server, but this certainly isn't the right place
[08:44] <micahg> enav: maybe #pdt
[08:44] <enav> cool
[10:44] <algnod_> jibel, i am looking at Bug #650973 it is one of those bugs that magically happen and cant be reproduced consistently, what do i do? thanks.
[10:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 650973 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Tabs in Firefox close when selected.. (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/650973
[10:44]  * jibel reading the bug
[10:48] <jibel> algnod_, that's weird. micahg have you already seen that kind of behavior ? ^
[10:49] <jibel> algnod_, I'd ask him to create a new profile a see if it still occurs.
[10:49] <jibel> s/a/and
[10:50] <jibel> algnod_, if he's unable to reproduce it in a reliable way that's hard for a developer to work on a fix.
[10:51] <algnod__> true, but what happens to the bug report, do you just mark it as invalid?
[10:52] <algnod__> jibel, true, but what happens to the bug report, do you just mark it as invalid?
[10:52] <jibel> algnod_, no ask him to try with a new profile and set it to incomplete, we don't know if it's a user error or a real bug, or a plugin causing the crash.
[10:52] <jibel> algnod_, there's maybe something in .xsession-errors, you can ask him to attach this file next time it's happening
[10:53] <jibel> algnod__, there's maybe something in .xsession-errors, you can ask him to attach this file next time it's happening
[10:53] <algnod__> jibel, dumm question, what is  a "new profile"?
[10:54] <jibel> algnod__, it's an empty firefox profile, that means no plugin, no theme, no nothing, it creates a clean firefox session.
[10:55] <jibel> algnod__, there is a specific documentation for firefox at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs
[10:55] <algnod__> jibel, thanks I will take a look at that
[10:56] <jibel> algnod__, you can manage the firefox profile with "firefox -ProfileManager", be careful to not delete your current profile
[11:03] <AbhiJit> hi
[11:30] <algnod__> jibel, I could easily reproduce Bug #650993 could you take a look at it and mark it as triaged? thanks
[11:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 650993 in gnome-games (Ubuntu) "Game crashes when mouse pointer moved outside its window (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/650993
[11:33] <AbhiJit> hi
[11:33] <AbhiJit> this bug is still there in my updated lucid. but tehy say that they have fixed it
[11:33] <AbhiJit> how is that?
[11:33] <AbhiJit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/freecol/+bug/609503
[11:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 609503 in freecol (Debian) (and 1 other project) "freecol crashes after some playing (affects: 1) (heat: 113)" [Unknown,Fix released]
[11:38] <yofel> AbhiJit: it's fixed in maverick, not in lucid
[11:38] <jibel> algnoed__, This looks like a duplicate of bug 574876. You can see that by comparing the backtrace in comment #4
[11:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 574876 in gnome-games (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "swell-foop segfaults with error 4 in libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0.200.4 (affects: 17) (heat: 94)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/574876
[11:38] <jibel> algnod__, ^^
[11:38] <AbhiJit> yofel, :'(
[11:39] <yofel> AbhiJit: you would either have to identify the fix for the problem and to a SRU, or what would be easier maybe request a backport
[11:40] <AbhiJit> yofel, i wll wait for freecol's next version
[11:40] <jibel> algnod__, you were disconnected, in reply to your last comment I said "This looks like a duplicate of bug 574876. You can see that by comparing the backtrace in comment #4"
[11:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 574876 in gnome-games (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "swell-foop segfaults with error 4 in libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0.200.4 (affects: 17) (heat: 94)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/574876
[11:41] <algnod__> jibel, thanks, how did you know it was a duplicate, did you do a search or were you aware of the other bug?
[11:43] <jibel> algnod__, I usually search for duplicate using google. It's far more efficient than LP text search
[11:43] <jibel> algnod__, You can query google with something like "site:launchpad.net swell-foop"
[11:44] <jibel> algnod__, In this case there is a bt so it's even easier with "site:launchpad.net swell-foop /usr/lib/libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0"
[15:28] <skeeby> hey all
[15:28] <skeeby> anyone participating in hugday tomorrow?
[15:33] <charlie-tca> yes
[15:34] <charlie-tca> skeeby: sure, it all happens right here, too!
[15:34] <skeeby> tomorrow is my first
[15:34] <skeeby> i just joined the community
[15:34] <charlie-tca> Great! Welcome aboard
[15:34] <skeeby> looking forward to getting involved =)
[15:34] <charlie-tca> It is a great way to help out. We can always use help with bugs
[15:35] <skeeby> oh yeah
[15:35] <skeeby> is there anything i should do to get prepared?
[15:36] <skeeby> ive read over and signed the code of conduct, read the triage guide, and im on the mailing list for bugsquad
[15:37] <persia> skeeby, You might want to try triaging a few random bugs just to get a feel for the procedures in practice.
[15:37] <persia> Ask here when you're unsure.  But things can get fast or busy during hug days, so sometimes it's harder to get targeted assistance.
[15:38] <skeeby> yeah i thats why i figured id get prepared today
[15:39] <skeeby> i havent triaged any bugs yet, but ive came across a few of my own after installing 10.10 earlier this week, and provided some feedback on the bugreports that were already listed
[15:41] <charlie-tca> skeeby: this is great information - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[15:42] <skeeby> im actually looking at that right now
[15:43] <skeeby> there was a page i came across yesterday i think that had like 99 hot bugs that have yet to be triaged
[15:43] <skeeby> does that ring a bell?
[15:45] <persia> skeeby, Join #ubuntu-bugs-announce: new bugs show up there, and you can grab one that looks interesting.
[15:45] <persia> Existing lists have probably already been gone over a couple times, so those may be harder.
[15:46] <charlie-tca> I don't which page that was, but here is tomorrows - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100930
[15:49] <micahg> jibel: a middle click can close a tab, so an accidental middle click maybe
[15:50] <jibel> micahg, right, I was thinking about a user error too.
[15:55] <skeeby> ok so i am setting up my tools right now for bugday, and i have to configure postfix
[15:56] <skeeby> ive never used it before, do i wanna just setup my gmail acct with it?
[15:57] <skeeby> i feel like an utter noob asking this...
[15:59] <charlie-tca> I don't use postfix
[16:00] <skeeby> dang
[16:00] <skeeby> it was part of the qa tools package i downloaded
[16:06] <skeeby> when postfix asks for a system mail name, do i just create my own or is this something i need to find somehwere
[16:08] <charlie-tca> usually the domain name used by you
[16:08] <hggdh> skeeby: why would you need postfix? Are you hosting your own email system?
[16:09] <skeeby> no but it was part of the hugday tool package
[16:10] <skeeby> if i dont need to use it even better =p
[16:10] <micahg> hggdh: postfix is pulled in automatically by devscripts by default now I think
[16:11] <hggdh> micahg: oh. I guess never noticed ;-)
[16:11] <skeeby> if its something that is useful for bugs then id like to set it up if it helps
[16:11] <micahg> hggdh: you probably had it installed already ;)
[16:11] <skeeby> but alas ive never used it
[16:11] <hggdh> yep
[16:11] <micahg> (devscripts I mean)
[16:12] <hggdh> skeeby: configure it for local delivery
[16:12] <hggdh> and forget the rest, until you *really* have time to read the docs on it
[16:12] <skeeby> dang
[16:13] <skeeby> so setting it for local only, the system mail name can be whatever i want then right?
[16:14] <jibel> skeeby, or install a nullmailer like nullmailer or ssmtp before installing devscripts.
[16:14] <jibel> postfix is pulled by bsd-mailx.
[16:16] <bcurtiswx_> vish, present?
[16:17] <bcurtiswx_> vish, charlie-tca: my other mentee Timmy has also requested to be withdrawn from the mentorship program.  Could you please do so?
[16:17] <charlie-tca> sure
[16:17] <bcurtiswx_> charlie-tca, much thanks
[16:17] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[16:18] <hggdh> skeeby: you already installed postfix, or are you still installing it?
[16:18] <skeeby> i downloaded the dev packages but im at the config screen for it right now
[16:18] <skeeby> since ive never used it i figured itd be a good idea not to try and configure it till i know what im doing =p
[16:19] <hggdh> ok. give it your computer's name
[16:21] <skeeby> thank you
[16:22] <skeeby> since im new, do u guys suggest signing up for the mentorship program?
[16:22] <skeeby> someone i throw all my noob questions to =p
[16:31] <hggdh> skeeby: you can, of course. But you can also ask here (which we actually like -- your questions and our answers may help others)
[16:31] <hggdh> pretty much like what we are doing now
[16:32] <skeeby> awesome thank you
[16:33] <skeeby> ive got some errands i need to run now but ill be back later to triage some bugs for the first time
[16:55] <pedro_> in case you didn't hear about it http://marjomercado.wordpress.com/2010/09/29/ubuntu-kernel-community-bug-day-tuesday-5-october-2010/
[16:55] <pedro_> let's make JFo happy ;-)
[16:59] <charlie-tca> huh?
[17:00] <charlie-tca> Yay! Thanks, pedro_
[17:07] <JFo> :)
[17:13] <vish> bcurtiswx_: haha! i was waiting for you to be freed!
[17:13]  * vish finds new students
[17:29]  * bcurtiswx_ turns on his freenode cloak
[17:30]  * bcurtiswx_ is now knows as SpaceWX
[17:43] <vish> bcurtiswx_: incoming!!!!
[17:43]  * bcurtiswx_ avoids gmail :P
[17:46] <vish> hehe!
[17:47] <devildante> all right vish, you rock at bug day triaging! :)
[17:47] <vish> :)
[17:48]  * vish well, just trying to do half as much as devildante
[17:48]  * devildante is confused, he didn't triage any jaunty bugs for now :p
[17:49]  * charlie-tca thinks vish knows what is coming though
[17:49] <vish> devildante: exactly!  once you start no one will have any left !
[17:49] <devildante> haha
[17:50] <devildante> I'm not as much available as I was in the Ubuntu Translations hug day :p
[17:52]  * devildante thinks libreoffice git takes a while to be downloaded...
[17:52] <devildante> don't want to know how much time it will take to build :p
[18:19] <vish> hmm , where are the help documentations usually stored ?
[18:19] <vish> ha!
[18:20] <devildante> haha!
[18:20] <devildante> (.... where is it?)
[18:20] <vish> found them, they can run but they cant hide!
[18:20] <vish>  /usr/share/gnome/help
[18:20] <devildante> \o/
[18:20] <bcurtiswx_> LOL --> lots of laughter :P
[18:20] <devildante> LOL = Lots of LOL :p
[18:24] <vish> heh, i just had to dpkg -L pckg  and check where the files were installed and it revealed everything ;p
[18:25] <vish> the min i hit enter on irc i got the thought, i was searching for 15mins before that!
[18:25] <bilalakhtar> Why are the folks laughing here?
[18:26] <vish> bilalakhtar: i think no one knew you were here! ;p
[18:26]  * bilalakhtar wishes to know the cause of the laughter, since the topic started before he came
[18:27] <devildante> bilalakhtar: the only line you missed was: "hmm , where are the help documentations usually stored ?"
[18:27] <bilalakhtar> okay
[18:28] <vish> hmm.. looks like a lot of folks dont hide the join/part messages!  o.0
[18:29] <devildante> why would you want to hide them? they can detect menaces :p
[18:29] <vish> devildante: i never know when someone enters or leaves..  like i dint know what bilalakhtar missed …
[18:29] <vish> it just seems like a lot of scrolling, and i'm too lazy ;p
[18:29] <bilalakhtar> hmm
[18:29] <bilalakhtar> I like to see people joining and leaving channels
[18:30] <bilalakhtar> so that I can monitor activity on my _own_ channels
[18:30] <devildante> you have *your* channels?
[18:30] <bilalakhtar> devildante: yup
[18:31] <bilalakhtar> devildante: #ubuntu-sa, #gnome-media-player
[18:31] <bilalakhtar> devildante: you just joined and left #ubuntu-sa
[18:31] <devildante> I'm not in Saudi Arabia to stay :p
[18:31] <bilalakhtar> yup, I know
[18:32]  * bilalakhtar hates spam on ubuntu-* mailing lists
[18:32] <devildante> wow, did someone here ever try to build libreoffice/openoffice? I'm still at the download part :p
[18:33]  * bilalakhtar tries to stay away from that
[18:33] <charlie-tca> I try not to do that kind of thing, too
[18:49] <AbhiJit> bye
[19:17] <yofel> wth's up with apport? crash bug that's missing the crash... bug 524730
[19:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 524730 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport-gpu-error-intel.py crash on startup (affects: 3) (heat: 28)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524730
[19:45] <charlie-tca> QA meeting in #ubuntu-quality in 15 minutes
[19:46] <devildante> charlie-tca: if you have something that I need to talk on, please make me first, 'cause I might leave the meeting halfway
[19:46] <charlie-tca> I am not chairing today
[19:47] <rusivi> Was doing a little dusting on bug 24874 and while I am not a Perl guru, it would be nice to keep the way things are but with the option to alias hostname to something <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 24874 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[network-admin] aliases hostname to <IP_ADDRESS> unconditionally (heat: 17)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24874
[19:47] <rusivi> something <IP_ADDRESS> = something other than <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:48] <charlie-tca> While it is automatically assigned to <IP_ADDRESS>, the user is free to add another hostname line, with any address desired.
[19:49] <charlie-tca> ( I add <IP_ADDRESS> to all of my systems, with the same hostname as <IP_ADDRESS> )
[19:50] <rusivi> If I may be so bold, it seems like OP misunderstanding?
[19:51] <rusivi> It seemed that he was GUI-driving the issue and expecting a tailored, macro script response...
[19:51] <charlie-tca> devildante: pedro is back, he will cover the bug day, normally
[19:53] <rusivi> charlie-tca: i'll have to review it more carefully, ty for responding.
[19:53] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[19:53] <charlie-tca> rusivi: I did not read the bug report.
[19:55] <charlie-tca> I just went from the title. It is necessary to have at least one address assigned to the hostname that remains constant for the operating system to work correctly. <IP_ADDRESS> was chosen because it is a local only address.
[20:04] <njin> pedro_: hello fellow, yesterday and today i'm testing, no bugs, your request at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/648959
[20:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 648959 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Remove is grayed out for many entries in open with application (affects: 3) (heat: 16)" [Low,Confirmed]
[20:04] <pedro_> njin, thanks
[20:14] <rusivi> bug#648959 looks WINE related, we may want to "affect project" -> WINE?!
[20:15] <yofel> bug 648959
[20:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 648959 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Remove is grayed out for many entries in open with application (affects: 3) (heat: 16)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/648959
[20:15] <rusivi> I have noticed the same thing using WINE in the past
[20:16] <njin> rusivi, no is not wine, is general
[20:16] <pedro_> njin, btw those are two bugs
[20:17] <rusivi> njin I am claiming (perhaps ignorantly) that the phenomenon quoted in bug 648959 is caused by WINE
[20:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 648959 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Remove is grayed out for many entries in open with application (affects: 3) (heat: 16)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/648959
[20:17] <pedro_> one is the multiple instances of applications listed there which is a bug in the application
[20:17] <pedro_> and the other is the remove button grayed out
[20:17] <pedro_> but those are two separates issues and not related at all
[20:18] <njin> ops, yes i've remembered only the grayed romve button
[20:18] <njin> *remove
[20:18] <pedro_> njin, could you perhaps edit it to just track the remove button being disabled there?
[20:19] <pedro_> njin, as me and rusivi said previously the other issue is related to the apps
[20:19] <njin> yes , every duplicated apps
[20:19] <rusivi> pedro_ np
[20:19] <rusivi> :D
[20:20] <pedro_> indeed
[20:20] <pedro_> thanks njin rusivi
[20:20] <njin> pedro_: how can i track that the remove button don't work
[20:34] <pedro_> njin, you might want to open a bug upstream for that
[20:34] <pedro_> njin, probably is due to not having the rights to remove the applications listed there or something
[20:36] <njin> i try with sudo
[20:40] <njin> nothings to do with sudo nautilus, the button doesn't work
[20:46] <njin> pedro_: can we see toghether this bug tomorrow ?, now i've to run anothers three install test and is late here.
[20:47] <pedro_> njin, sure, just ping me later
[20:48] <njin> ok, see tomorrw
[20:48] <njin> good night
[20:49] <pedro_> see you :-)
[20:49] <bcurtiswx_> vish, you only listed one mentee for me on the mentors wiki
[21:13] <intrader> I ran into (in 10.10) with a security blunder - when you mount fat volumes, you allow .COM, .BAT, and .EXE files to be executable.
[21:15] <persia> intrader, That's semi-intentional, and not enabled by default.
[21:15] <intrader> I know, formerly all fat files were executable, but come on, .EXE, .COM, are executable on X86 architectures. Security problem - tell the iranians with their mossad worm
[21:16] <persia> I don't believe WINE yet has sufficient support for most malware, but if it does, and you work with compatible executables, you'll need the same malware detection stuff you'd need in the environment that you're approaching.
[21:17] <intrader> persia, nothing to do with WINE. Just mount a fat volume
[21:17] <persia> Feel free to file a bug if you like.  I don't think there's value in it bring private, but you could get more formal feedback from the security team.
[21:17] <persia> intrader, Doesn't most malware rely on some libraries?
[21:18] <intrader> persia, no, some do. Is there a list for security?
[21:18] <kees> intrader: you can easily disable it, but this is a step forward. as persia said, _everything_ was executable before, including exe/com/bat
[21:19] <yofel> kees: disable it? how? last time I looked at it showexec was hardcoded in udisks (or I'm too blind to find the setting to override it)
[21:19] <intrader> kees, a wrong step forward in my opinion. When a fat is mounted you should then change files with the hash command as first line, to executable would be a solution
[21:20] <persia> kees do you highlight on "security" or are you just omniscient?
[21:20] <intrader> persia, no I am just observant
[21:21] <kees> intrader: you can't change the perms on a CDROM
[21:21] <kees> persia: yeah, I highlight on security :)
[21:22] <kees> yofel: lack of configuration on this certainly seems like a problem.
[21:23] <pnt> anyone running 10.04 that can help me confirm a bug in scanf?
[21:23] <persia> pnt, Do you have a simple test program demonstrating it?
[21:23] <pnt> yeah, hold on
[21:23] <intrader> kees, persia, yofel: what's going on? yofel, it looks like I took a step into a beehive
[21:24] <pnt> int main(int argc, char *argv) { char *buf; scanf("%as", &buf); printf("%s\n", buf); return 0; }
[21:24] <persia> Expected?  Actual?
[21:25] <intrader> kees, sorry, not when you mount, when open occurs.
[21:25] <kees> intrader: it's part of a long discussion, yes. basically, vfat via CDROM aren't executable. but Wine folks want to be able to run them.
[21:26] <kees> intrader: without Wine, those programs are pretty meaningless, so it's not a big deal if you don't have Wine. if you do, well, it's just like anything else, don't run binaries you don't trust.
[21:26] <persia> pnt, I get some warnings during compilation, but it seems to do what it says on the box.
[21:26] <pnt> persia, i expect it to allocated a string and store the result
[21:26] <persia> kees, I think intrader's point is that if one has an executable .COM that requires no libraries (pure machine code), and one attempts to execute it, it might execute.
[21:27] <kees> persia: right, but that's no different than inserting an ext3 usb stick that has exec perms
[21:27] <intrader> kees, to watch out for binaries you don't trust makes sense, but for the system to make .COM and .EXE executable, well that is another thing
[21:28] <persia> kees, Absolutely.
[21:28] <persia> intrader, The trick is a balance between helping the user not shoot themselves in the foot and allowing them to trim their toenails with firearms.
[21:30] <intrader> persia, you are right. The problem arouse when I copied a shell file to execute smalltalk's pharo, and in 10.10 it no longer works because .sh files are not executable in the context menu (in fact in 10.10, it offers no context option to 'Open' a shell file)
[21:30] <pnt> anyone running 10.04 with  libc6-i686 2.11.1-0ubuntu7.2 ??
[21:31] <pnt> please message me if you are running said config and can help confirm a bug in scanf
[21:31] <kees> pnt: I can be; what's the output you get?
[21:32] <pnt> kees: see priv msg
[21:33] <kees> pnt: let's stay here, in case other people want to join in. :)
[21:33] <kees> pnt: it works fine for me.
[21:33] <pnt> #include <stdio.h>
[21:33] <pnt> #include <stdlib.h>
[21:33] <pnt> #include <errno.h>
[21:33] <pnt> #include <unistd.h>
[21:33] <pnt> int main(int argc, char *argv)
[21:33] <pnt> { char *buf; scanf("%as", &buf); printf("%s\n", buf); return 0;
[21:33] <pnt> }
[21:33] <pnt> try to run that
[21:34] <pnt> you should be able to type a string and have it printed back
[21:34] <kees> pnt: right, it works fine for me.
[21:34] <kees> pnt: what behavior are you seeing?
[21:34] <yofel> works fine without the #includes, but with them I get garbage back
[21:34] <pnt> what does it look like if you do ldd on the a.out?
[21:35] <pnt> im getting crap back
[21:35] <intrader> yofel, nothing has bee assigned to buf
[21:35] <pnt> let me try it without the includes
[21:35] <pnt> yeah, works without the includes
[21:35] <yofel> intrader: shouldn't scanf assign it? (I don't have much c experience..)
[21:35] <kees> pnt: you're not checking the result of the scanf
[21:36] <pnt> i'll see what one is screwing it up
[21:36] <kees> http://paste.ubuntu.com/502844/
[21:36] <yofel> stdio.h is messing it up
[21:36] <intrader> yofel, I am not sure of this, but argv should be assigned to buf.
[21:36] <pnt> yeah, stdio
[21:36] <kees> pnt: compile with -Wall
[21:37] <yofel> intrader: the app reads from stdin, not the parameters
[21:37] <intrader> I have not done C in 20 years at least
[21:37] <pnt> yeah, see that, fixed it
[21:37] <pnt> stdio is still messing it up though
[21:40] <yofel> kees: what's '#define _GNU_SOURCE' btw?
[21:40] <BUGabundo> evening
[21:40] <yofel> hey BUGabundo
[21:41] <kees> yofel: makes all the extra fun things in glibc available
[21:41] <kees> yofel: it's just part of my standard boiler plate
[21:42] <kees> pnt: can you pastebin the program you're using that breaks?
[21:42] <pnt> kees: #define _GNU_SOURCE fixes it
[21:42] <kees> pnt: the "real" cause is the lack of return code checking on the scanf call :)
[21:43] <kees> pnt: without _GNU_SOURCE this happens if you check the return:
[21:43] <kees> $ ./scanf
[21:43] <kees> hello
[21:43] <kees> Did not read a string
[21:43] <pnt> http://pastebin.com/scMeLttb
[21:43] <pnt> i agree about the error checking and all, but it shouldn't be failing :)
[21:46] <pnt> http://pastebin.com/UCEUrgzy
[21:46] <pnt> with the error checking
[22:04] <kees> pnt: the "a" is a GNU extension.
[22:08]  * yofel completely missed the a..


[18:22] <steve773> hi -- anyone here??
[18:22] <steve773> looking for some basic help on reboot issue
[18:23] <steve773> after new install of 12.04, computer won't restart
[18:23] <steve773> previous OS was opensuse 12.3