[00:06] <dkorras1> hi all, can anyone please help me setup ifplugd so that it boots to eth0 and when the network cable is unplugged switch to wlan0 and vice versa
[00:09] <histo> dkorras1: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1996289
[00:10] <z1haze1> ok histo: i have the new instance created and running
[00:10] <z1haze1> i created a shell script that basically backs up the entire directoy each time its ran, but i want to go the route of only backing up modified files
[00:11] <z1haze1> can you help with that?
[00:11] <_Sigma_> i have an issue with mpich2 on a cluster of ubuntu machines. am i in the right channel?
[00:11] <histo> z1haze1: you can use the --newer option of tar
[00:12] <z1haze1> i see that but it requires manual input of a date
[00:13] <z1haze1> sudo tar cvpzf myPC_ubuntu710_bu010408.tar.gz --newer '1 Apr 2008' /
[00:13] <dkorras1> hi all, can anyone please help me setup ifplugd so that it boots to eth0 and when the network cable is unplugged switch to wlan0 and vice versa
[00:14] <z1haze1> how would i do that on something automated
[00:14] <z1haze1> the modified dates need to me independent per file
[00:14] <z1haze1> some regions update daily because people play in them, some hardly ever update
[00:15] <Monotoko> dkorras1 - wait in #ubuntu for someone to help - #ubuntu-server is a bad place for desktop support
[00:15] <dkorras1> Monotoko, it'
[00:15] <dkorras1> its on a ubuntu server
[00:16] <Monotoko> my mistake... sorry I saw the same question in #ubuntu too
[00:16] <SierraAR> Using ufw, if I want to allow a specific IP address through a specific port, the correct command would be this correct? sudo ufw allow from <IP_ADDRESS> to 1234
[00:17] <z1haze2> anything youd change on that?
[00:17] <Monotoko> SierraAR - hm that doesn't look right to me, hang on
[00:18] <Monotoko> SierraAR: allow proto tcp from <IP_ADDRESS> to any port 1234
[00:19] <SierraAR> What does the proto part mean?
[00:19] <Monotoko> SierraAR - protocol... usually it defaults to TCP
[00:19] <SierraAR> Ah
[00:19] <Monotoko> but I like to specify it
[00:19] <Monotoko> I'm working on something similar to ufw for CentOS
[00:27] <z1haze2> what is this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7718933/
[00:28] <z1haze2> can someone tell me whats wrong with this shell script please? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7718912/
[00:29] <Monotoko> z1haze2 - two things
[00:29] <Monotoko> you're using magic quotes, the ones that go to the side
[00:29] <Monotoko> rather than the regular "
[00:29] <Monotoko> and you don't have a / on the end of your directory name
[00:30] <z1haze2> ok
[00:30] <z1haze2> i copied from ftp the directory maybe thats why
[00:31] <z1haze2> and is the trailing / needed if iwant to backup the entire contents of Region
[00:31] <Monotoko> z1haze2 - you'll need a / because if you're putting them together for the tar command it'll just like like "/home/whateverfilename.tar" rather than "/home/whatever/filename.tar"
[00:31] <z1haze2> oh i gotcha
[00:31] <z1haze2> well i changed that and still this weird invalid option
[00:32] <z1haze2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7718933/
[00:32] <z1haze2> its like a strange block
[00:32] <Monotoko> z1haze2, that'll be your funny quotation marks
[00:32] <Monotoko> did you change those to regular ascii " ?
[00:32] <z1haze2> i changed them to normal ones
[00:32] <Monotoko> paste the script again?
[00:33] <z1haze2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7718955/
[00:34] <Monotoko> z1haze2 - I can't see anything that looks particularly funny in there, but obviously bash is tripping over something... can you put it on pastebin too?
[00:34] <z1haze2> sure
[00:35] <z1haze2> how come sometimes i have to type bash in my ommand to run shell scripts
[00:35] <z1haze2> but sometimes i dont
[00:35] <Monotoko> z1haze2 - I guess you're using UTF-8... do you mind me asking what your native language is?
[00:35] <z1haze2> im american
[00:35] <Monotoko> and it all depends on whether the file has an executable bit (chmod +x_
[00:35] <Monotoko> *(chmod +x)
[00:35] <Monotoko> ah... so you're using the standard American keyboard?
[00:35] <z1haze2> http://pastebin.com/4Wfet5cj
[00:36] <z1haze2> yep
[00:36] <z1haze2> but i didnt copy paste some
[00:36] <z1haze2> i did*
[00:36] <z1haze2> should i just paste it into notepad and change the ancii or somethingh
[00:36] <histo> use  --newer $(date +"%d %b %Y")
[00:36] <histo> z1haze2: sorry I keep getting disconnected
[00:37] <z1haze2> yea its ok histo, me too
[00:37] <Monotoko> histo - you think it's the command itself?
[00:37] <z1haze2> i dont think hes seen it yet
[00:37] <histo> Monotoko: No ignore that date thing
[00:37] <z1haze2> here we go
[00:37] <histo> That got posted when I came back in, it was a response from a question he asked way back
[00:37] <Monotoko> jesus fuck
[00:37] <histo> ignore it
[00:38] <IdleOne> watch the language please
[00:38] <z1haze2> its split like 4 times in 15 minutes
[00:38] <Monotoko> sorry - they're really annoying me now, not sure who would DDoS freenode of all places
[00:39] <Monotoko> z1haze2 - my advice would be to try to save it as ascii
[00:39] <Monotoko> worst that can happen is you have to retype it
[00:39] <histo> well I filter joins, parts, quits, and nicks so I can't see all that.
[00:39] <z1haze2> yea im gonna do that now i guess
[00:41] <histo> z1haze2: also you may want preserve as a tar option in your script.
[00:42] <histo> z1haze2: like --preserve-permissions  since youdon't appear to be using -p
[00:42] <z1haze2> ok what now, how do i preserve the same permissions
[00:42] <Monotoko> z1haze2 - you'll also want a --
[00:42] <Monotoko> with create etc
[00:42] <z1haze2> and gzip and filename?
[00:42] <Monotoko> yeah
[00:43] <Monotoko> because those are the long ways of saying -czf
[00:43] <histo> z1haze2: your --create --blah  could be -czpf  instead
[00:43] <z1haze2> alright
[00:43] <histo> z1haze2: those are just the long way...
[00:43] <Monotoko> sorry, I just cracked open my manual now, didn't see you were using one - instead of two :P
[00:43] <z1haze2> i see
[00:44] <histo> z1haze2: if you man tar   you could see all the options if your curious later
[00:44] <z1haze2> ok i have it almost ready
[00:44] <z1haze2> except the -f
[00:44] <z1haze2> is that for filename?
[00:44] <Monotoko> yeah
[00:44] <z1haze2> how would i write it?
[00:44] <z1haze2> -czpf=$DESTDIR$FILENAME $SRCDIR
[00:44] <z1haze2> ?
[00:44] <Monotoko> -czpf filename
[00:45] <Monotoko> no =
[00:45] <z1haze2> oh ok
[00:45] <z1haze2> it will just know
[00:45] <Monotoko> tar is quite old... it knows what comes after is the filename
[00:45] <Monotoko> much like bash
[00:45] <z1haze2> i ran it as a test
[00:45] <z1haze2> and got tar: Removing leading `/' from member names
[00:46] <Monotoko> don't worry
[00:46] <Monotoko> that should be okay
[00:46] <Monotoko> you might want to echo the variables out
[00:46] <Monotoko> to see what it's removing from where
[00:46] <z1haze2> ok it worked i got what i needed
[00:46] <z1haze2> now the automate it every hour WHEN the server is running the process
[00:46] <z1haze2> and i really have no idea how to do that
[00:46] <z1haze2> i did get the crontab thing tho
[00:48] <z1haze2> histo: i ran 0 * * * * sudo /home/z1haze/7dtdPVEbackups.sh in the crontab
[00:48] <z1haze2> but that do it hourly right?
[00:48] <Monotoko> z1haze2 - don't know if histo will have d/ced
[00:48] <Monotoko> but yeah
[00:48] <Monotoko> that will work
[00:48] <Monotoko> however
[00:48] <Monotoko> you'll want to su to root
[00:48] <Monotoko> and add it to root's crontab
[00:49] <Monotoko> rather than your own
[00:49] <z1haze2> i did
[00:49] <z1haze2> oh wait
[00:49] <Monotoko> you don't technically need sudo then
[00:49] <z1haze2> there is not root
[00:49] <z1haze2> i have root disabled
[00:49] <Monotoko> you should be able to run "sudo -i"
[00:49] <Monotoko> which should give you a root prompt
[00:49] <z1haze2> oh ok
[00:49] <z1haze2> so enter that enter roots contrab?
[00:50] <Monotoko> yeah
[00:50] <Monotoko> the reason for that
[00:50] <Monotoko> is sudo asks for your password
[00:50] <Monotoko> and obviously you won't be around to enter it ;)
[00:50] <z1haze2> oh dur i didnt think that
[00:50] <z1haze2> weird
[00:50] <z1haze2> i just checked the roots crontab
[00:50] <z1haze2> and thats what i was already using
[00:50] <z1haze2> maybe cause i did sudo crontab -e?
[00:50] <Monotoko> ah yeah, that would make sense
[00:51] <Monotoko> just drop sudo from the command in crontab then
[00:51] <z1haze2> how do i get back to my name? just su myname?
[00:51] <Monotoko> "exit"
[00:51] <z1haze2> cool
[00:51] <z1haze2> ok i dunno if u were around for the earlier discussion, this whole idea is for backing up region files for a game
[00:52] <z1haze2> but the gasme is still in alpha so there are like no server commands or any sort of administration system
[00:52] <z1haze2> my hope is to just make these backups, then if someone gets their base broken into i can find the time and just roll back the region files for that area
[00:52] <Monotoko> I don't think I will have been... and yeah, that should work
[00:52] <z1haze2> but theres complications now
[00:53] <z1haze2> 1, this crontab will run regardless whether the server is online or not.. which is gonna just waste space
[00:53] <z1haze2> secondly, is there away to only backup new and files modified like after the last backup
[00:53] <z1haze2> if that makes any sense
[00:54] <z1haze2> like say only region 2.1 file was modified since the last backup, we dont need to backup all 100 files, we just need to backup that 1
[00:54] <Monotoko> hm... for 2, I'd look into rsync
[00:55] <Monotoko> so you'd rsync the files from [here] to [there] then tar them up [there] (or not tar them up... entirely depends how big they are)
[00:55] <Monotoko> for 1... how do you mean "online"?
[00:56] <z1haze2> well its a gameserver, so the process isnt always online
[00:56] <z1haze2> sometimes i take it down for maint, or just if i want to lave it down for the weekend to promote something else,
[00:56] <Monotoko> well... is there any way you can add a check into the script?
[00:56] <z1haze2> thats what i was kinda asking u, i didnt know if there was a way to add a logic statement to check processes
[00:57] <Monotoko> not sure about processes in bash scripts...
[00:57] <z1haze2> like if (process=running){do backup}else{do nothing
[00:57] <Monotoko> but you could create a file
[00:57] <Monotoko> when the script is running
[00:58] <Monotoko> ah!
[00:58] <Monotoko> I've found something nice
[00:58] <z1haze2> yay
[00:58] <Monotoko> http://pastebin.com/yPG98Tq3
[00:59] <z1haze2> hmm what is this for
[00:59] <Monotoko> of course it all depends on what your service is called... if it's a web game, you might put it into maint mode but Apache might still be running
[01:00] <z1haze2> i have a script that will check the status
[01:00] <Monotoko> can you pastebin that script?
[01:01] <z1haze2> sur 1 sec
[01:01] <histo> Monotoko: you'd have to pass the service as an argument
[01:01] <histo> ps with grep would probably be better
[01:02] <histo> z1haze2: how do you launch the game server?
[01:02] <z1haze2> how do i select all in putty
[01:02] <z1haze2> with a shell script
[01:02] <Monotoko> z1haze2 - just run your mouse over it
[01:02] <histo> z1haze2: what server is it?
[01:02] <z1haze2> 7days to die
[01:02] <Monotoko> ... woah de-ja-vu
[01:02] <z1haze2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7719036/
[01:02] <histo> z1haze2: what does the script call when it runs?
[01:03] <z1haze2> ^ shell script
[01:03] <z1haze2> prolly need common too
[01:03] <z1haze2> 1 sec
[01:04] <histo> z1haze2: yeah
[01:04] <histo> paste common.h
[01:04] <z1haze2> ok this script is more than i can select in 1 window
[01:04] <z1haze2> is there a way to select all text even when its out of site
[01:04] <Monotoko> z1haze2, two secs
[01:04] <z1haze2> sight*
[01:04] <Monotoko> let me get you something
[01:04] <Monotoko> I've been using this for a while
[01:04] <histo> sudo apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit /usr/local/lib/7dtd/common.sh
[01:04] <z1haze2> i have pastebinit
[01:04] <z1haze2> didnt even think of it
[01:05] <Monotoko> does that still work>
[01:05] <Monotoko> it didn't last time I tried it
[01:05] <Monotoko> :(
[01:05] <z1haze2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7719045/
[01:05] <z1haze2> yea i use it sometimes
[01:07] <histo> Monotoko: that's silly with sed why not just grep
[01:07] <Monotoko> histo, what's that sorry?
[01:08] <histo> z1haze2: even that script checks the pid to see if its there.
[01:09] <z1haze2> isnt that what its supposed to do
[01:10] <histo> ps -a | grep 7dtd   compare the output of that if it's null then the server isn't running.
[01:11] <z1haze2> how can i do that though
[01:11] <z1haze2> i only know like some simple java
[01:11] <z1haze2> and from what i see syntax isnt close to the same
[01:12] <Monotoko> z1haze2 - two secs
[01:12] <Monotoko> http://pastebin.com/MuU9uUzz
[01:13] <z1haze2> so do i put that in my backupscript?
[01:13] <Monotoko> z1haze2 - kind of
[01:13] <Monotoko> you want your backup bits to go between line 6 and line 8
[01:14] <Monotoko> basically so it only runs them when the server is running
[01:14] <z1haze2> replace running?
[01:14] <Monotoko> yeah
[01:14] <histo> and change line 5 to exit
[01:14] <z1haze2> gotcha
[01:14] <Monotoko> histo, look at me, I used grep ;)
[01:18] <z1haze2> http://pastebin.com/LM1L5hRm like this?
[01:19] <Monotoko> z1haze2 - looks good to me
[01:19] <Monotoko> might want to test it somewhere
[01:19] <z1haze2> yea ill test it
[01:19] <z1haze2> but u know what this wont work
[01:19] <z1haze2> there are instances of the server
[01:19] <z1haze2> like server1, server2
[01:20] <histo> hrm.. that won't work
[01:20] <z1haze2> can u see anything in the common.sh that would show how to find a specific instance
[01:20] <Monotoko> ah... then yeah, they would all have to be down
[01:21] <histo> neither variant works with sed or grep there is something wrong with the test
[01:24] <histo> how about simplifying
[01:25] <histo> if ps -a | grep -v grep | grep 7dtd > /dev/null; then bbackup commands; else exit; fi
[01:26] <z1haze2> 1 sec have to reboot the machine
[01:27] <histo> kk
[01:27] <z1haze2> the nget the other game servers back going should only be a min
[01:31] <histo> your going to ge tteh time wiht colons in your filename using that
[01:34] <z1haze2> ok back
[01:35] <histo> z1haze2: http://pastebin.com/0R65xEUN
[01:36] <histo> z1haze2: now you just have to add a part about seeing how many backups are there and deleting old ones
[01:36] <z1haze2> yep haha
[01:36] <z1haze2> well
[01:36] <z1haze2> minus the checking for the instance thing
[01:36] <z1haze2> cause im gonna make backsup shell scripts for each instnace
[01:36] <z1haze2> and add it to crontab
[01:37] <z1haze2> 7dtdPVEbackups.sh: line 4: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `)'
[01:37] <z1haze2> 7dtdPVEbackups.sh: line 11: syntax error: unexpected end of file
[01:37] <histo> z1haze2: you could if ls $DESTDIR | wc -l  is greater than some number rm a few
[01:38] <whitepowder> So, i've gotten my little preseeded install usb stick working, but when i run the full-upgrade at the end, i'd like to save the debs downloaded (/target/var/cache/apt/archives/) Is there a good way to do this? I'd like to put them into the /pool tree on the usb stick -- When are they deleted even?
[01:38] <z1haze2> histo that paste didnt work
[01:38] <z1haze2> http://pastebin.com/GezaN84J
[01:39] <histo> z1haze2: which script are you running?
[01:39] <z1haze2> the last one u just posted
[01:39] <histo> z1haze2: hold on let me look for typo
[01:43] <z1haze2> histo i just thought of a way to isolate the instances
[01:44] <z1haze2> is there a way to isoloate the directory the grep is searching for the 7dtd pid?
[01:44] <z1haze2> because i just noticed that when you start the server for a specific instance it puts a 7dtd.pid file in the /instances/ directory
[01:45] <histo> z1haze2: pastebin your script
[01:46] <z1haze2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7719170/
[01:47] <histo> z1haze2: ahh error is on line 4 forgot the )
[01:47] <tarvid> cacti installed with ease on my 14.04 workstation, the apache alias did not get installed on my 12.04 server, can I just copy the conf-availalbe/cacti.conf file
[01:47] <histo> z1haze2: $(date............').tgz
[01:48] <histo> z1haze2: that part
[01:48] <z1haze2> oh isee
[01:48] <z1haze2> so anyways back to my latest discovery
[01:48] <z1haze2> is there a way to search for 7dtd.pid in a specific directory for this script we have made
[01:48] <z1haze2> because it generates that pid file when the server is up
[01:49] <z1haze2> and its gone when its down
[01:49] <histo> z1haze2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7719172/
[01:50] <z1haze2> i fixed that part did u chane anything else?
[01:50] <histo> z1haze2: yeah got rid of the ; and moved them down a line just for sanity
[01:51] <histo> s/them/then/
[01:52] <histo> z1haze2: you'd have to see where the common.h stores the pid's
[01:52] <histo> z1haze2: I can't remember
[01:52] <z1haze2> haha umessed up the ') again
[01:52] <z1haze2> i know where it stores them
[01:52] <z1haze2> in the isntance folder of that instance
[01:52] <z1haze2> so for like instance pvp it will be in /instances/pvp/7dtd.pid
[01:53] <histo> no I didn't
[01:53] <histo> Oh yeah i did
[01:54] <histo> lol
[01:54] <z1haze2> hmm
[01:54] <z1haze2> its not working
[01:54] <z1haze2> the check thing
[01:54] <z1haze2> the syntax isfine
[01:54] <z1haze2> but it just backing up when its online
[01:54] <histo> z1haze2: well the grep check see's if there is a process running with the name 7dtd
[01:55] <histo> z1haze2: I thought you wanted to backup when it was running and not when it is off
[01:55] <z1haze2> lets search for file 7dtd.pid in/home/sdtd/instances/TGC-PVE
[01:55] <histo> k
[01:55] <z1haze2> because that file is only there when the server is online
[01:55] <z1haze2> yes ur are correct backup while its running, do nothing if offline
[01:56] <histo> z1haze2: if [ -f /path/to/somefile ]    then blah blah else blah blah fi
[01:57] <z1haze2> literally like that? if [ -f /home/sdtd/instances/TGC-PVP/7dtd.pid ] ?
[01:57] <z1haze2> whre the logical statement in that
[01:58] <histo> z1haze2: yeah if file blah blah exists
[01:58] <z1haze2> whats makes it say if exists though
[01:58] <histo> z1haze2: -f is to check if the file is there.
[01:58] <z1haze2> oh
[01:58] <histo> if the file isn't it will elese
[01:58] <histo> else
[01:59] <histo> z1haze2: to keep with your variable theme you could add a INSTANCE at the top for the path
[01:59] <z1haze2> ah yea
[01:59] <histo> it's up to you though.
[01:59] <z1haze2> no its good thinkin, cleaner
[02:00] <z1haze2> and in linux we use [ ] for logical statements?
[02:01] <histo> z1haze2: bash not linux
[02:01] <z1haze2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7719227/ whatcha think
[02:02] <histo> z1haze2: looks good if it's running it will backup else exit
[02:02] <z1haze2> ok yep it just backed up once let me turn it off and see
[02:03] <histo> z1haze2: []  is a test in bash
[02:03] <z1haze2> oh ok
[02:04] <z1haze2> great it worked
[02:04] <z1haze2> i think im gonna change it to like 6 hours
[02:04] <z1haze2> how would i do that with the 0 * * * *  thing
[02:05] <z1haze2> like 0 6 * * * /home/z1haze/7dtdPVEbackups.sh ?
[02:06] <histo> 0 */6 * * *
[02:06] <histo> or 0 0,6,12,18 * * *
[02:06] <histo> either way
[02:06] <z1haze2> 0 */6 * * * /home/z1haze/7dtdPVEbackups.sh
[02:06] <histo> z1haze2: yeah looks good,  it will email you output also
[02:07] <z1haze2> now i wont have to worry quite so much about filling up my drive
[02:07] <z1haze2> how do iset the email though? ive never set it
[02:07] <histo> z1haze2: do you have a mail server running on this box?
[02:07] <z1haze2> nope
[02:07] <z1haze2> :)
[02:07] <histo> then it won't email you.
[02:07] <z1haze2> haha
[02:07] <z1haze2> mailservers are a pain
[02:07] <z1haze2> every time ive ever made one it always sends to junk mail
[02:07] <z1haze2> so i just use mailgun
[02:08] <Patrickdk> well, mailservers are a lot of work
[02:08] <histo> well you only need a sending server so something like ssmtp would do the trick.  then you just add a<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in your crontab
[02:08] <z1haze2> yea im not that talented to do all that
[02:08] <Patrickdk> unless you have preconfigured examples and done it several times
[02:08] <Patrickdk> expect it to take a week
[02:08] <z1haze2> im somewhat ok at doing websites but thats where it ends
[02:09] <z1haze2> do you play any games
[02:09] <histo> You don't need a full blown mailserver. I'd use something like ssmtp or esmtp or one of the other ones
[02:09] <z1haze2> i dont know what those are, is it something easy to do
[02:09] <Patrickdk> !nullmailer
[02:09] <Patrickdk> stupid bot
[02:09] <z1haze2> haha
[02:09] <z1haze2> .nullmailer
[02:10] <z1haze2> some bots are ! and some are . right?
[02:10] <histo> z1haze2: yeah it's just a text file to configure with those and you can have them use a gmail address to send out mail
[02:10] <Patrickdk> it doesn't have an entry for it is the issue
[02:16] <z1haze> well thank you so much for your help
[02:17] <z1haze> i achieved my goal this evening thanks to you
[02:17] <histo> z1haze: np and no I don't play any games
[02:17] <z1haze> now i just have to create a new script for the other instances, iull jhust cp it
[02:17] <histo> z1haze: well you learned a lot also
[02:17] <z1haze> i did
[02:17] <z1haze> i could definitely do this now
[02:17] <z1haze> but its just all so new to me
[02:19] <z1haze> how histo
[02:20] <z1haze> hey*
[02:20] <z1haze> i know it all works good as of now; but i kinda wanna perfect is
[02:21] <z1haze> i want to keep a weeks worth of backups
[02:21] <z1haze> so 28 files, how could we make it delete backups starting with the oldest once we hit 28
[02:49] <z1haze> where can i read what sh -c means in a bash script
[02:50] <histo> z1haze: let me think about the easiest way to do that.
[02:50] <z1haze> well histo i figured out the backup deletion
[02:51] <z1haze> well i had help but i put the pieces together
[02:51] <histo> z1haze: ahh cool what are you using?
[02:51] <histo> wc -l ?
[02:51] <z1haze> sh -c "cd $DESTDIR && ls -t | tail -n +29 | xargs rm"
[02:51] <histo> ahh very nice
[02:51] <z1haze> can you explain it to me haha
[02:52] <histo> z1haze: well you can change teh beginning to ls -t $DESTDIR | tail -n +29 ....
[02:52] <z1haze> i tried that
[02:52] <z1haze> it wasnt able to delete the files
[02:52] <histo> z1haze: how were you trying it?  It should work
[02:52] <z1haze> rm: cannot remove `backup-2014-06-28-220402.tgz': No such file or directory
[02:52] <z1haze> it wasnt in the directory
[02:53] <z1haze> so the shell wasnt in the right place
[02:53] <z1haze> the code that some guy gave me worked
[02:53] <z1haze> i just didnt really understand it
[02:53] <z1haze> he says it opens a new shell and runs that command, but it doesnt effect anything else after that
[02:53] <histo> z1haze: I don't see why the sh is necessary let me try a test real quick
[02:54] <z1haze> ok
[02:54] <z1haze> we have to get the shell into the right directory before it exectutes rm
[02:56] <histo> oh yeah you need the full path from ls
[02:56] <histo> that's why
[02:56] <z1haze> so is this way ok? or would u change it
[02:57] <histo> it will work the way it is, i'm just trying to think of a different way to explain it to you.
[03:04] <histo> you could ls -d -t $PWD/*  but that will confuse you more
[03:11] <z1haze> heh
[03:11] <z1haze> well i know pwd is current directory
[03:11] <histo> z1haze: so basically the way you have it now you are running cd and ls -t in a shell. Then you are piping the output to tail  to get the last entries and piping that to xargs to rm the ones above 29
[03:12] <z1haze> right
[03:12] <z1haze> i get the concept kinda
[03:13] <z1haze> what are all the xargs for
[03:13] <histo> xargs just passes what you give it to the specified command
[03:13] <histo> so it's taking the output of the tail and passing it to rm
[03:14] <histo> z1haze: So the reason you got the error before is because originally your ls -t was only happening in the directory where they script was run.  That's why it needed the cd
[03:14] <z1haze> right
[03:16] <histo> z1haze: to get it without the sh  you'd have to use a function
[03:16] <histo> z1haze: after each command the subshell exits in bash script.
[03:17] <z1haze> im gonna stick with it haha
[03:18] <histo> actually you could just cd $BACKDIR && ls -t .....    should work without the sh
[03:19] <histo> but with the sh is more appropriate then when that line is done it goes back tot eh directory that the script was run from.
[03:19] <histo> glad you got it all working though
[03:43] <histo> what is with freenode tonight
[03:46] <No_one_at_all> Hi, question: fsck is set to run once every 6 months on our server. It last ran last December, and I would swear before we updated to 14.04 that it was scheduled for June this year. But I just checked it, and it is set for July 14, and what's more, it says the last check was run in January of /this/ year. What gives?
[03:54] <Patrickdk> your clock was set wrong
[03:54] <Patrickdk> or your have a bad memory
[03:55] <Patrickdk> there was never a reason why it would have run?
[03:56] <Patrickdk> like the machine crashed or was powered down uncleanly?
[04:06] <histo> No_one_at_all: how are you scheduling it?
[04:06] <No_one_at_all> histo: i'm not, it's doing it automatically
[04:06] <cfhowlett> No_one_at_all I would guess a clock localization setting
[04:06] <histo> No_one_at_all: then how is it "set to run every 6 months" ?
[04:07] <Patrickdk> histo, filesystem default
[04:07] <histo> ahh
[04:07] <Patrickdk> you have never used ext[234]?
[04:07] <histo> on reboot you mean?
[04:07] <Patrickdk> no, on boot
[04:08] <histo> yeah
[04:08] <histo> I was going to say fs has to be un mounted
[04:08] <Patrickdk> no
[04:08] <histo> o'rly?
[04:08] <Patrickdk> it's always done the checks with it mounted read-only
[04:09] <histo> Why would it mount ro to fsck?
[04:09] <histo> on boot?
[04:09] <Patrickdk> so you can boot?
[04:09] <histo> it's not mounted ro to boot
[04:09] <Patrickdk> yes it is
[04:09] <Patrickdk> it's mounted read only, then fsck starts, and when it finishes it remounts rw
[04:14] <histo> Why would it do that?
[04:16] <Patrickdk> how does it know what filesystems it needs to check? if it can't read /etc/fstab?
[04:16] <Patrickdk> but beyond that not sure
[04:16] <Patrickdk> it was long long ago, it was changed from premount, to reonly mount
[04:16] <Patrickdk> long before ubuntu was started it was done that way
[04:16] <histo> silliness
[05:00] <No_one_at_all> Well, I have no idea what caused this, but I forced an fsck anyway since we were expecting the downtime, and i guess all's well that ends well.
[05:00] <No_one_at_all> >_<
[05:01] <No_one_at_all> date's right
[06:00] <histo> No_one_at_all: you can check with tune2fs  when the next one is scheduled
[06:01] <histo> No_one_at_all: it probably fsck'd because of mount count
[06:13] <No_one_at_all> histo: yeah, I'm aware of how to check for it (now), after the debacle we had last June
[06:14] <No_one_at_all> and it fsck'd because of the date, not number of mounts/unmounts. This thing gets rebooted once every month and a half
[06:14] <No_one_at_all> if that
[09:21] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:26] <ophkilter> o/
[09:27] <lordievader> Hey ophkilter, how are you?
[09:28] <ophkilter> rebooting
[09:28] <ophkilter> one sec
[09:28] <ophkilter> i'm good
[15:52] <xpistos> clear
[15:54] <xpistos> Is there some bug in 14.04 server 64bit that it won't reboot? I try to use sudo reboot now and it just goes back to a prompt
[16:04] <dkorras> hi all, please can you help me. I am at my wits end here. To setup my ubuntu machine automatica LAN and WLAN switch with ifplugd, i have tried all the configurations I can find but nothing seems to work
[17:54] <DeadxBeat> Hey all, in just installed ubuntu server with ssh and lamp and i set a static ip. I was able to access apache via the ip but then i updated the hostname in /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname and rebooted and now i am unable to access apache via ip. What did i do wrong?
[17:58] <DeadxBeat> Anyone? =/
[18:03] <DeadxBeat> aye
[18:03] <Xethron> DeadxBeat: Did you change your apache config?
[18:04] <Xethron> Or only your hosts?
[18:04] <DeadxBeat> just my /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
[18:04] <Xethron> Pastebin please?
[18:04] <DeadxBeat> only thing i added to /etc/hosts was xx.xx.xx.xx mydomain.com mydomain and to /etc/hostname is just mydomain
[18:07] <DeadxBeat> I took a look around the apache configs but i can't find anything that has to do with the hostname
[18:08] <Xethron> DeadxBeat: did you leave localhost intact?
[18:08] <DeadxBeat> yes
[18:09] <Xethron> DeadxBeat: and xx.xx.xx.xx is a valid IP address?
[18:10] <DeadxBeat> Yes, its the static ip i've assigned in /etc/network/interfaces
[18:10] <DeadxBeat> i can ping the machine via the ip address and it has internet access
[18:11] <DeadxBeat> Its not on my local network because its a static ip assigned by the ISP
[18:15] <DeadxBeat> is it necessary for my hostname to match my domain name?
[18:48] <zartoosh> Hi I am trying to automate installation of trusty using preseeding. My system can boots in UEFI mode, the iso image which I make does not take the preseed value if I boot in UEFI mode. What am I missing? thx
[21:55] <bitbyte> does any one know if on ubuntu server the encrypted LVM is mounted over LUKS ?
[22:01] <bitbyte> by the way my version is Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (GNU/Linux 3.13.0-29-generic x86_64)
[22:02] <TJ-> bitbyte: how do you mean by 'over'? As in, raw device --> LUKS --> LVM ?
[22:03] <bitbyte> well im currently trying to figure out how the bootloaer is mounting my encrypted LVM and wheter it uses LUKS
[22:04] <TJ-> bitbyte: Standard install always uses LUKS
[22:04] <bitbyte> im basically trying to put a key file on my boot partion so I can tell LUKS that the keyfile is on boot so i can reboot my server remotely without needing to be infront of it.
[22:06] <TJ-> bitbyte: that's kind of insecure, storing the key in /boot/ - may as well not encrypt
[22:06] <TJ-> bitbyte: have you thought about remote ssh key provision?
[22:07] <bitbyte> it’s a home server to be fair, but im working remotely for next few months so trying to make it so can perform reboots when needed
[22:07] <TJ-> How about: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/579/Unlocking_a_LUKS_encrypted_root_partition_via_ssh
[22:07] <bitbyte> not herd of ssh key provision but im doing this from external of the network
[22:08] <bitbyte> im currently following this http://askubuntu.com/questions/59487/how-to-configure-lvm-luks-to-autodecrypt-partition
[22:08] <TJ-> You can reverse the concept and have the server contact the key server, of course
[23:22] <Kawaiola> Hey guys whats an easy way to get drivers for ubuntu server my ethernet card says it isn't managed and it gets to the internet but I can't set it static
[23:23] <TJ-> Kawaiola: It sounds like you're confusing concepts. What reports the ethernet card is not managed?
[23:26] <Kawaiola> TJ-, Well I installed the user interface to my server and the top right corner where the connections mananger is says that and it won't let me click them
[23:26] <TJ-> Ahhhh... I thought as much :) "unmanaged" simply means that Network Manager isn't managing the connection, and that is likely because it's configuration is in "/etc/network/interfaces"
[23:28] <Kawaiola> TJ-, Ahh so I will have to set the server static command line anyways is what you are saying haha


[07:48] <jtv> good morning adeuring!  Any chance I could bother you for a review that didn't make it through the queue last night?  https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/launchpad/bug-409686/+merge/26179
[07:48] <adeuring> jtv: sure
[07:48] <jtv> adeuring: wonderful, thanks!
[08:37] <adeuring> jtv: r=me
[08:37] <jtv> adeuring: thanks!
[08:38] <jtv> adeuring: good point on the LOGIN... how about USERNAME?
[08:38] <adeuring> jtv: right, that looks much nicer!
[08:38] <jtv> Oh
[08:38] <jtv> idea
[08:39] <jtv> No wait, no idea.
[08:39] <jtv> Capital letters are the only good way I can think of there to say "this isn't literal"
[08:39] <jtv> I thought of using quotes, but that may be confusing because the instructions do contain a quoted string.  So the quotes would have different meanings.
[08:40] <adeuring> right. BTW, how do we handle these "placeholders" elsewhere?
[08:45] <jtv> Well ideally, it'd be nice if I could fill in the real username there.  But the message may be going out to teams.
[08:51] <adeuring> jtv: We know the LP user when we generate the email, don't we? So, can't we simply insert his login name?
[08:52] <jtv> Hmm...  I'd have to iterate over the team if there was one, I guess.
[08:53] <jtv> How about I file a bug for it as a separate job?
[08:53] <adeuring> jtv: Ah, OK. So, let's leave it as it is
[09:02] <jtv> hey danilos
[09:02] <danilos> jtv, hey
[10:21] <adeuring> StevenK: I can review your branch if you show me where I can find it
[10:21] <StevenK> adeuring: Sure -- https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/poppy-sftp-updates/+merge/26279
[10:22] <StevenK> Wow. Was it that bad ...
[10:46] <adeuring> StevenK: your branch screams for a few tests ;) For example, it is great that you added the missing "import FileIsADirectory" but the fact that this was not spotted earlier is a clear indication that SFTPFile.writeChunk(9 is not properly tested.
[10:53] <StevenK> adeuring: Right, I'm writing a test for that now.
[10:53] <adeuring> StevenK: great, thanks!
[10:54] <adeuring> StevenK: similary, would you mind to add tests for the constructor of class Hooks?
[10:57] <adeuring> StevenK: well, actually, you are testing that Hooks() accepts the prefix parameter, but could you add a test thats ensures that it is used in the filename?
[10:59]  * adeuring needs a better mental OCR algorithm
[10:59] <adeuring> I misread "twisted" for 2test"....
[13:31] <StevenK> adeuring: If you're still here, I'll be pushing the test fixes to my branch in a few minutes.
[13:31] <adeuring> StevenK: sure, go ahaed
[13:38] <StevenK> adeuring: Pushed.
[13:38]  * adeuring is looking
[13:48] <adeuring> StevenK: thanks for the new tests! r=me
[13:50] <StevenK> adeuring: Thanks for the review :-)
[13:55] <sinzui> StevenK, what are the consequences of landing after the release?
[14:32] <StevenK> sinzui: You'd prefer to have this land as a CP?
[14:32] <sinzui> I just want to understand the urgency.
[14:33] <StevenK> sinzui: It has a feature that Julian thinks is fairly important, but if you'd rather it was CP'd, that's okay too.
[14:35] <sinzui> okay, you have my RC on contingent you update the XXX comment
[14:36] <StevenK> Which one?
[14:37] <sinzui> 51 # XXX: Eww bug=586695
[14:37] <StevenK> Ah. You'd prefer something more descriptive? :-)
[14:40] <StevenK> sinzui: Done, and pushed.
[14:40] <sinzui> thanks
[14:43] <StevenK> sinzui: Fixed harder, based on your XXX style comment. Anyway, throwing it through ec2
[14:44] <sinzui> well. I have no confidence in ec2 in the moment. I think your changes are isolated so your own testing gives me more confidence.
[14:45] <StevenK> Poor ec2. What did it ever do to deserve such .... Oh. Never mind. :-P
[14:45] <StevenK> sinzui: I'm happy to pqm-submit, but I have not run the entire test suite over the code.
[14:45] <sinzui> lets use ec2
[14:48] <StevenK> sinzui: Mind you, I share your vote of no confidence.
[15:05] <adeuring> sinzui: i tried this morning to find an MP from you but couldn't find any
[15:06] <sinzui> adeuring, there was confusion yesterday and my name appears to have been added back. I have no branches thanks.
[15:06] <adeuring> sinzui: ah, ok


 Please tell me how to enable hibernation in the latest version?
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[07:13] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:56] <wysiwyg__> hi all
[10:57] <sridharblue> hello
 I am running a Kubuntu 20.10 VM with qemu but I can't change the resolution of the screen, when I change, it changes for a second and then reverts back. tried `xrandr -s 1600x900` too but that's also showing same behavior. I tried with Ubuntu 20.10 and I can chane resolution there. any help ?
 Host machine is also Kubuntu 20.10
[12:17] <Alips> Нету интернета, после установки кубунту, сразу говорю только проводное подключение на пк
 @ri5h46h, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407058
[13:11] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
 @RikMills, oh okay. is there any workaround for this ? 🤔
[14:33] <BluesKaj> @ri5h46h, hi, I logged on too late to see your issue.
 @BluesKaj, hello, BluesKaj. I can't change resolution in Kubuntu 20.10 running in qemu, however Rik told me about a bug for this problem.
[14:50] <BluesKaj> ok, @ri5h46h
[15:27] <user|5582> requerimiento de instalacion
[15:27] <user|5582> which is requeriments of instalation
[15:32] <BluesKaj> !specs | user|5582
[15:34] <user|5582> ok gratiful
[17:31] <bittin-M> FOSDEM Online starts on Monday next week
[18:12] <user|17611> hello friends! I am using K.UBUNTU and I wanted to know how I can install multiple window managers and/or desktop environments and choose one of them at login. I am not smart enough to understand how to do this.
[18:14] <Maik> user|17611: what does Google tell you?
[18:14] <user|17611> I have solved the issue it seems
[18:15] <kirvesAxe> I think at least on some earlier versions, if you had more than one desktop environment installed, the login screen automatically had an option to choose which one is used while logging in
[18:16] <Maik> nah, solved in a minute eh?
[18:17] <Maik> user|53259: that was a quick install of multiple window managers and desktops ;)
[18:18] <Maik> https://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials/Using_Other_Window_Managers_with_Plasma    https://www.howtogeek.com/193129/how-to-install-and-use-another-desktop-environment-on-linux/
[18:18] <Maik> search first, when stuck then ask :)
[18:20] <Maik> ok, then stay silent
[18:23] <genii> Maik: <-- user|17611<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit (Client Quit)
[18:23] <genii> Ah, they did return
[18:23] <Maik> genii: take a closer look
[18:24] <Maik> ;)
[20:03] <user|84193> Greetings. Where can I find information on the minimum system requirements for Kubuntu? Thank you.
[20:27] <Maik> user|84193: i guess they need to fix that
[20:28] <Maik> user|84193: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubuntu#System_requirements
[20:31] <genii> I'm running Kubuntu on an old netbook with a 64 bit Aton N450 CPU, 2GB or RAM, and a 60GB SSD,  which are pretty minimal specs. But I wouldn't recommend it if you actually want a usable system
[20:31] <genii> Aton/Atom
[20:34] <user|84193> Thank you Maik and genii
[20:34] <genii> A more realistic set of specs would be something like i3 class Intel CPU or better, 4GB of RAM and ideally an SSD of 256GB or larger
[20:34] <user|84193> This helps genii
[21:55] <kubuntu> Hey
[21:55] <Guest16057> Hey
[22:04] <mparillo> And don't open 30 javascript heavy tabs at once.


[00:33] <BSDgrill> hello
[00:33] <belkinsa> o/
[00:35] <lardo> hi everyone
[00:35] <belkinsa> o/
[00:35] <lardo> \o
[00:35] <BSDgrill>  8[00:35] <BSDgrill>  8[00:35] <IdleOne> saw that coming a mile away
[00:35] <valorie> good grief
[00:35] <lardo> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)  8[00:35] <lardo> )  8[00:35] <lardo> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)  8[00:35] <lardo> )  8[00:35] <lardo> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)  8[00:35] <lardo> )  8[00:35] <lardo> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)  8[00:35] <lardo> )  8[00:35] <lardo> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)  8[00:35] <lardo> )  8[00:35] <lardo> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)  8[00:35] <belkinsa> Good catch.  I was  going to that too.
[00:35] <lardo> )  8[00:35] <lardo> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)  8[00:35] <lardo> )  8[00:36] <valorie> oh very nice
[00:36] <valorie> sheesh
[00:36] <belkinsa> Poo.  You win.
[00:36] <belkinsa> Speedster.
[00:36] <belkinsa> ;)
[00:37] <belkinsa> IdleOne, did you want to kickban me for saying that.  ;)
[00:37] <belkinsa> It's a joke, don't take to too hard.
[00:37] <IdleOne> lol no


[00:59] <ahel> how add flash to 64 bit?
[01:00] <well_laid_lawn> !flash
[01:00] <well_laid_lawn> !flash64
[01:01] <ahel> thank you well_laid_lawn
[01:01] <well_laid_lawn> np :)
[01:03] <ahel> is it not a bit outdate?
[01:04] <mark___> Could someone please help me with installing Oracle? I'm being pushed into using it instead of openJRE/JDK and have no idea how to get it.
[01:04] <mark___> Help would be much appreciated :D
[01:05] <well_laid_lawn> ahel: I don't use 64bit just know the bot command ;)
[01:05] <well_laid_lawn> !java
[01:05] <ahel> lol
[01:08] <russ_> anyone off hand know a good webcam software that would be simular to like apples photobooth? Like with effects and being able to not just take snaps but also record vid?
[01:09] <russ_> Kamoso works pretty cool just has no effects stuff.
[01:09] <mark___> russ_:  I don't have much experience in that area, but isn't Cheese generally what peolpe use?
[01:11] <russ_> i did forget about Cheese thanks i will see if they keep that updated thanks man
[01:11] <mark___> No problem, glad I could help :D
[01:12] <russ_> !Cheese
[01:25] <transformers> oerheks
[01:25] <transformers> where are you?
[01:27] <transformers> i need turn on 3G modem in kubuntu (MTS 3G with sim card -windows and Mac/)
[01:29] <well_laid_lawn> !info cheese | russ_
[01:31] <russ_> Thanks i installed 2.32.0 but i noticed from their Cheese website they have 3.0.2 oh well 2.32.0 works just fine thansk bro!
[01:46] <masstor> hey please idioma spanish
[01:51] <transformers> i need access to /etc how can i Edit file into /etc directory&
[01:51] <transformers> ????
[01:54] <apachelogger> russ_: you might wanna check out kamoso btw
[01:55] <russ_> apachelogger: [20:09:12] <russ_> Kamoso works pretty cool just has no effects stuff.
[01:55] <apachelogger> yeah, I think that was on the todo... at some point anyway ^^
[01:56] <russ_> Thanks i tryed that its cool just no effects Cheese is really good sucks though when i did sudo apt-get cheese it installed only 2.32.0 of Cheese and from the Cheese website they already have 3.0.2 so humm im trying to think of how to upgrade Cheese or can you not?
[01:57] <apachelogger> you might be able if the newer version is in some PPA ... that said, the reason the new version is not available is because changing to new versions has all sorts of dangers
[01:59] <russ_> yeah i would assume,it realy talks more about it working in Gnome 3 but hell i run KDE 4 so i didnt read anything where Cheese 3 works in KDE 4
[02:00] <russ_> It's like the Cheese guys all go for Gnome only
[02:01] <apachelogger> well, it primarily targets the gnome workspace
[02:03] <russ_> gotcha
[02:03] <russ_> i am pretty sure i can boot into  gnome im sure its already installed i just love KDE :)
[02:04] <OerHeks> oneiric will have cheese 3.02 > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cheese
[02:11] <HizMonster> Will Kubuntu start to push some kind of junky GUI (Unity) on it's users soon ?
[02:11] <russ_> OerHeks: thanks
[02:13] <OerHeks> no, Unity has nothing to do with KDe
[02:14] <HizMonster> OerHeks: Perhaps then I will switch over to Kubuntu on the next release then.  I can't stand unity and I heard they are taking out 'ubuntu-classic' in the next release.
[02:16] <OerHeks> unity is the best thing happened to KDE
[02:16] <HizMonster> Is there anything big I'd miss using the Kubuntu LTS vs 11.04 or 11.10 when it's released ?
[02:19] <OerHeks> HizMonster, not really, i think
[02:19] <Daskreech> HizMonster: Hmm?
[02:19] <Daskreech> HizMonster: Ubuntu is Canonical Kubuntu isn't for the most part
[02:20] <Daskreech> And yes as far as I know they are removing Ubuntu classic from the CD but you can still install it
[02:54] <littlegirl> Hey there, I use Kubuntu Lucid Lynx and it comes with Ark as the compression program. When I compress somthing that has an extension, it creates file.extension.zip. I can't find a way to configure it from within the program. Is there a configuration file where I can tell it that I'd rather not have the original extension in the final zip file name?
[03:48] <Daskreech> littlegirl: Hello?
[03:49] <littlegirl> Hey there, sorry. I got caught up with other things and totally forgot I had written something in hre!
[03:51] <Daskreech> ok :)
[03:51] <Daskreech>  still looking for an answer?
[03:51] <littlegirl> Yes, please. (:
[03:52] <Daskreech> Ok Let me look :)
[03:52] <littlegirl> Cool, thanks. (:
[03:53] <g0rs> Daskreech: what does your nickname mean?
[03:53] <g0rs> you were on this channel for a whle.
[03:54] <Daskreech> g0rs: What do you mean?
[03:54] <g0rs> Daskreech: does your user id mean anything?
[03:54] <Daskreech> Not in particular
[03:57] <chinatown2> hi
[03:57] <g0rs> i wanted to have a nickname something with das but after i saw you i had to pick another :)
[03:58] <chinatown2> vord
[03:58] <Daskreech> g0rs: Ha I'm not that chatty in here anymore
[03:58] <chinatown2> verd
[03:59] <g0rs> me neither but but i used to long time ago
[03:59] <Daskreech> Take it and just speak more than me and it will be fine
[04:00] <Daskreech> g0rs: Oh if it was that long ago I don't blame you I was super actiev then
[04:00] <g0rs> Daskreech: now, it seems like lof of people are not talking about interesting topics. IRC is not what it used be 10 or 15 years ago .
[04:00] <Daskreech> :)
[04:00] <g0rs> :)
[04:00] <Daskreech> What would be interesting
[04:01] <g0rs> Daskreech: it would be about technology as in creating technology. programming hardcore stuff or something to do with networking etc. Now , people 'use' technology and think that they're smarter than everybody else.
[04:02] <g0rs> and they're not that interesting
[04:02] <Daskreech> g0rs: Then you are in the wrong channels
[04:02] <Daskreech> this is an end user channel :)
[04:03] <g0rs> Daskreech: this is an end user channe and it is very useful for users of ubuntu and its variants
[04:03] <Daskreech> littlegirl: You are making an archive with one file in it?
[04:04] <Daskreech> g0rs: You should check out some of the more hardcore channels for that kind of lowlevel talk
[04:04] <g0rs> Daskreech: do you know any good channels on this server?
[04:04] <littlegirl> Daskreech: Yep, I right-click and select Compress --> As zip archive from the menu. (:
[04:04] <Daskreech> littlegirl: Ah ok
[04:04] <Daskreech> Let metry
[04:05] <littlegirl> Daskreech: My reason for wanting to change the behavior is that when I email file.extension.zip to someone, some email servers consider the file dangerous and won't let it through, so I'd rathr email file.zip, and instead of renaming them manually it would be nice to just have a quick chat with Ark. (:
[04:05]  * littlegirl must fix the e key. (:
[04:05] <Daskreech> g0rs: depends on your interest but #freenode is a good place to hang out if you want to ask about the channels
[04:06] <g0rs> Daskreech: i used to be on efnet and dalnet sometime ago . Freenode is rather newer
[04:06] <Daskreech> littlegirl: What would you consider as "some email servers" ?
[04:06] <Daskreech> If you mean Google then they unzip the file and check it's contents in any case so renaming it won't make a difference
[04:06] <littlegirl> Daskreech: None that I know of specifically. I just know that I've sometimes had trouble emailing file.extension.zip.
[04:06] <Daskreech> g0rs: efnet is also a pretty good server
[04:06] <littlegirl> Daskreech: I believe it's at the receiving end. No idea. (:
[04:08] <Daskreech> Hrrrm
[04:09] <g0rs> I'm joining efnet too
[04:12] <Daskreech> littlegirl: ok just on some quick tests if I choose compress to .. then it doesn't add the .extension
[04:16] <littlegirl> Daskreech: Ah, but that makes me do manual work, in which case I may just as well rename them manually. (:
[04:16] <littlegirl> Daskreech: No config setting I can just turn a zero into a one or the other way around?
[04:16] <Daskreech> littlegirl: slightly less work than renaming
[04:16] <Daskreech> littlegirl: Possibly I haven't looked that deep yet
[04:17] <littlegirl> Daskreech: Me neither. I'll hunt for it, too. (:
[04:17]  * Daskreech would have to troll through ~/.kde/share/config/arkrc
[04:17]  * littlegirl has proceeded to troll. (:
[04:18] <littlegirl> Daskreech: Nope, it's tiny, and no mention of extensions. Hmmm...
[04:19] <Daskreech> Yeah I think tis some default code
[04:19] <Daskreech> I'll see if there is a bug for it
[04:21] <Daskreech> littlegirl: not seeing one I'll file a bug for that option
[04:22] <Daskreech> I'll give you the link so you can subscribe if anything
[04:22] <littlegirl> Daskreech: Thanks. I'm reading the manual for Ark to see if there's something I missed.
[04:23] <Daskreech> I don't think there is.
[04:23] <littlegirl> Daskreech: Yeah, there doesn't seem to be a way to configure it from within the program at all. ):
[04:24] <Daskreech> I'm aware
[04:24] <littlegirl> Daskreech: It's nothing major - just a niggling little missing feature. (:
[04:24] <Daskreech> littlegirl: Could I have your ark version?
[04:24] <Daskreech> littlegirl: I've flagged it as niggling :)
[04:24] <littlegirl> Daskreech: 2.14
[04:25] <littlegirl> Daskreech: LOL, you didn't really, did you? (:
[04:25] <Daskreech> I did!
[04:25] <littlegirl> LOL
[04:25] <Daskreech> ok I'll post it as 2.17 which is what I'm using
[04:25] <littlegirl> Daskreech: I use the Kubuntu LTS, so I'm a bit behind on some of the versions that are probably available in the more recent releases of Kubuntu. (:
[04:26] <Daskreech> hence why I'll use mine.
[04:26] <Daskreech> So it doesn't get bumped into by triagers and dismissed as apfffft what version? Pffffffft
[04:26] <littlegirl> Daskreech: Once you have the bug report filed, would it help for me to log on and confirm that I see it, too?
[04:27] <littlegirl> Daskreech: They really shouldn't do that, though. They should take any bug that's reported for an old version and try to duplicate it in the current one. (:
[04:28] <Daskreech> littlegirl: I know but time is limited so they tend to test out bugs reported for newer versions since it's much more likely that you can replicate it
[04:28] <Daskreech> every now and again they have a huge BugSquad meeting one weekend and go through lots of older bugs to see if they can replicate them
[04:28] <littlegirl> Daskreech: That's a shame, especially when peopl like me report bugs. I always give step-by-step instructions on what they have to do to see it. (:
[04:29] <littlegirl> Daskreech: Good, then at least they do sometimes try to get at those.
[04:29] <Daskreech> For which they will kiss your feet and buy you beer when they meet you
[04:29] <Daskreech> most bugs are of the order of "I want this where is it?"
[04:30] <littlegirl> Daskreech: I'm also a developer on a far smaller scale than Kubuntu, so I know the feeling. (:
[04:30] <Daskreech> Umm. Did you try pressing this button that gives you that? What version are you on? Is it a problem specific to you that we can't replicate unless we are on your hardware? or perhaps doing what you are doing?
[04:30] <Daskreech> two weeks of wasted effort later ........
[04:30] <littlegirl> LOL
[04:31] <littlegirl> Daskreech: Although I would love to have someone point out a tiny little button that I overlooked that magically solves my issue. (:
[04:31] <Daskreech> littlegirl: would be great wouldn't it?
[04:32] <littlegirl> Daskreech: Sure! I think every program should have a magical Fix Anything button somewhere on the main interface. (:
[04:32] <Daskreech> Or should be like GNOME the Final edition
[04:33] <Daskreech> Where the entire interface is one button that does the sane default thing and accomplishes all tasks
[04:33] <littlegirl> LOL
[04:33] <littlegirl> Daskreech: And twenty years from now you don't even have to push a button - just think it and it happens. (:
[04:37] <Daskreech> littlegirl: Too much work
[04:38] <Daskreech> Have the cloud think for you!
[04:38] <Daskreech> Right g0rs? :)
[04:38] <littlegirl> Daskreech: Hehe
[04:39] <g0rs> Daskreech: that is really freaky :(
[04:39] <g0rs> Daskreech: the cloud is bad .. very bad ....he is a freak
[04:40] <g0rs> Daskreech: i heard he moved to a university
[04:40] <g0rs> are you talking aout bob?
[04:41] <g0rs> are you talking about bob and the it guy?
[04:41] <Daskreech> g0rs: ha ha no we were just laughing about how much easier computing should get
[04:41] <Daskreech> From having buttons in your application that does all the little things that you want
[04:41] <littlegirl> And that life would be wonderful all the time. (:
[04:41] <Daskreech> to having one button that does everything that you want
[04:42] <Daskreech> to thinking about it and it happening
[04:42] <littlegirl> That's right - it should read your mind and fulfill your wishs. (:
[04:42] <g0rs> Daskreech: computing isnt really easy but there are too many solutions available which makes everybody lazy to some extent.
[04:42] <Daskreech> But that sounds like too much work. Offload the thinking elsewhere!
[04:42] <littlegirl> LOL
[04:42] <Daskreech> g0rs: agreed but if you look there are problems
[04:42] <Daskreech>  have you seen the Simon project?
[04:42] <russ_> Happy 13 years to Google :) now thats a reason to drink!
[04:43] <g0rs> Daskreech: there are probems , agreed and there are also too many problems to solve. each problem can be a business idea.
[04:43] <Daskreech> g0rs: Simon is curently tackling using voice to control the computer as an interface
[04:43] <Daskreech> It's surprisingly well done
[04:44] <Daskreech> but still in need of expertise of course
[04:44] <russ_> like Dragon naturaly Speaking
[04:44] <g0rs> Daskreech: That is interesting. I would like to see that with a car. VW in wolfsburg  is using brain waves too to control cars
[04:44] <Daskreech> russ_: No that's a dictation
[04:44] <g0rs> Daskreech: i know dragon which is a voice activated sw
[04:44] <Daskreech> russ_: This is more like open ark and create an archive from these files
[04:44] <Daskreech>  Now open Mail and compose a mail to this person
[04:44] <russ_> ohh
[04:45] <Daskreech> attach the archive I just made
[04:45] <russ_> i see humm interesting
[04:45] <Daskreech> g0rs: Brainwaves as an interface is actualyl pretty old. It's just not ... lets say precise or fast
[04:46] <g0rs> Daskreech: i was thinking how events are happening while i was thinkng about them. Its like somebody is scanning my brain perhaps with a satellite :D
[04:47] <russ_> Jason Becker is a famous guitarist he cant use anything with his body only eyes and mouth movements he writes music and composes music with his computer with some kinda software that allows your eyes to control the computer thats pretty wild wish i knew what software he uses.
[04:47] <g0rs> Daskreech: but it can be dangerous too , if actuators react too fast according to our thoughts , we might lost contorl
[04:47] <Daskreech> littlegirl: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=282884
[04:48] <Daskreech> russ_: I know that one as well
[04:48] <Daskreech> It's a mouse bridge with an on screen keyboard
[04:48] <russ_> so a camera just reads his eyes?
[04:48] <Daskreech> g0rs: We are always out of control :)
[04:48] <Daskreech> russ_: Right and then blinks or mouth pressure acts as clicks and double clicks
[04:49] <russ_> nice!
[04:49] <russ_> is is linux based?
[04:49] <Daskreech> doubtful
[04:50] <Daskreech> it's one of those things that would need someone to make it on Linux but the people most motivated are the least likely to develop it
[04:50] <g0rs> Daskreech: its like somebody is trying to control and micromanage every aspect of me :)
[04:50] <Daskreech> Sort of like good music software
[04:50] <russ_> yeah im sure
[04:50] <Daskreech> g0rs: Hopefully that's you :)
[04:50] <g0rs> Daskreech: i dont have an alter ego who is trying to control me :P
[04:51] <Daskreech> Sort of why there are 44 dozen IDEs on Linux but an architect software?
[04:51] <g0rs> it must be somebody else
[04:51] <russ_> pretty interesting i googled control mouse with eyes
[04:51] <Daskreech> g0rs: ./configure --prefix=/home/alter; make; make me install
[04:51] <russ_> http://www.smivision.com/en/gaze-and-eye-tracking-systems/applications/gaze-based-interaction.html?gclid=CLX-uq_QvKsCFYrs7QodAGbXtA
[04:54] <Daskreech> russ_: It's surprisingly widely used
[04:54] <Daskreech> For heatmaps and so on
[04:55] <russ_> i love things like this.
[04:55] <russ_> i remeber when retinal scanners and even finger print scanners just came into play and now you can just buy them at bestbuy lol
[04:55] <Daskreech> russ_: http://simon-listens.org/index.php?id=122&L=1
[04:56] <littlegirl> Daskreech: Thanks! I'll add to it in a little while. I'm running some tests on something right now. (:
[04:56] <Daskreech> Muwahahaha
[04:56] <Daskreech> Sorry I do evil laughs anytime there are tests
[04:57] <russ_> Daskreech: cool i will save that link
[04:59] <littlegirl> LOL
[05:01] <g0rs> littlegirl: anytime a person says LOL i would think that they're little :)
[05:03] <Daskreech> laughing out loud is not limited to short people!
[05:03]  * Daskreech defends his right to lol!
[05:05]  * g0rs doesn't say anything
[05:07] <Daskreech> :)
[05:10] <littlegirl> g0rs: I see.
[05:10]  * littlegirl LOLs
[07:35] <eean> from cron I get "No MTA installed, discarding output"
[07:35] <eean> in the syslog
[07:35] <eean> I want to get that output
[07:36] <eean> I actually do have a /usr/bin/sendmail (just a symlink to msmtp)
[07:52] <iDanielSan> why is CairoDock always starting twice on my Kubuntu 10.04?
[07:53] <iDanielSan> kinda anoying
[07:55] <iDanielSan> no ideas?
[07:57] <szal> no patience?
[08:04] <mime1111> hello ppl! anyone knows if there is an equivalent in KDE for the gnome-settings-daemon?
[08:05] <eean> maybe kded. not really sure what gnome-settings-daemond oes
[08:05] <eean> *does
[08:06] <mime1111> thnx. it change the gtk windows theme, apply x11 cursors, and change some icons
[08:12] <szal> !pm | iDanielSan
[09:41] <ram___> I am using backtrack 5, Is it possible to install it on a pendrive ?
[09:55] <szal> ram19890: first of all, this is the wrong place to ask; we don't support BackTrack here
[09:56] <ram19890> szal: I am a user of Kubuntu, Its a question , not a user daa..
[09:57] <szal> ram19890: BackTrack != *buntu
[09:57] <szal> being based on it does not make it that
[09:58] <ram19890> szal , I am reframing the question again , is it possible to get Ubuntu or waht ever you say on a pendrive ?
[10:00] <ram19890> I have a persistant linux , before , thats y I am asking , no offence ?
[10:08] <ram19890> sudo
[10:30] <iDanielSan> @ram19890: sure u can have a bootable pendrive with ubuntu
[10:30] <iDanielSan> on it
[10:31] <iDanielSan> use the Startup Disk Creater
[10:31] <ram19890> ok where will be the grub ?
[10:32] <iDanielSan> or UNetbotin
[10:32] <ram19890> thanks
[10:32] <ram19890> i will try then :D
[10:32] <iDanielSan> gud luck
[11:03] <Valks> !ops
[11:12] <rafytafy> anyone here upgraded via kpkgkit lucid> natty? if so how did it go
[11:31] <tonymc> is there finally an easy way to enable password-less samba shares?
[11:32] <tonymc> i mean not involving commandline
[11:46] <evanvarvell> hi all
[11:56] <evanvarvell> why did kdewallet disable my wlan card????
[11:58] <evanvarvell> is there anyone here that can speak?
[11:59] <evanvarvell> does linux have available to its communities intel wireless drivers?
[11:59] <tonymc> IIRC they should work out of the box
[12:00] <tonymc> as for kwallet, you probably pressed "cancel" or input a wrong password
[12:00] <evanvarvell> \well i could put vista back on my labtop
[12:00] <tonymc> it wouldn't disable your wlan card though
[12:00] <evanvarvell> i hit cancel
[12:00] <BlaXpirit> What about Jockey? It installed wlan driver nicely for me.
[12:00] <evanvarvell> i don't like saving passwords
[12:01] <tonymc> i think there was a tick for not saving the password
[12:01] <tonymc> no there wasn't
[12:02] <tonymc> but anyway, what is wrong with saving passwords?
[12:02] <evanvarvell> but even after i put a password in kde wallet as a default incripted security place holder for passwords...........................it disabled my wlan
[12:03] <tonymc> you can reenable it in network manager applet
[12:03] <evanvarvell> it would no longer see my wireless network ssid names
[12:03] <tonymc> tried pressing "more"?
[12:03] <evanvarvell> saying the wlan card was unavailable
[12:04] <tonymc> that's odd
[12:04] <tonymc> i'm not really familiar with wireless troubleshooting as i've never had any problems with it in the first place
[12:04] <tonymc> but you may try rebooting
[12:05] <tonymc> i know it's a windows way but i don't remember the exact commandline for restarting the networking daemons
[12:05] <tonymc> you might try "sudo service networking restart" though
[12:06] <evanvarvell> ok thank you fot the info
[12:06] <evanvarvell> for
[12:06] <tonymc> in the future try not to interfere with kwallet :-)
[12:07] <tonymc> if you do decide to put windows back on your laptop - i'd advice for windows 7 instead of vista
[12:08] <evanvarvell> why is that?
[12:08] <tonymc> it's what vista should have been
[12:08] <tonymc> vista done right, in other words
[12:08] <evanvarvell> do you know how much requirements is different between vista and windows 7?
[12:08] <tonymc> it's almost the same, only way faster
[12:09] <tonymc> no i don't
[12:09] <Alantas> I still think it would've been cool if they'd called it "Vista SE".
[12:09] <tonymc> i've seen windows 7 running on a netbook pretty snappily - that kinda speaks for itself
[12:09] <tonymc> vista won't even boot until five minutes later
[12:10] <tonymc> well that's an exaggeration but you get the point
[12:10] <OerHeks> i would install windows95 since there are no 16 bit virusses, but this is going offtopic
[12:10] <tonymc> i myself quad boot with two kubuntu's and two windows 7's
[12:12] <tonymc> evanvarvell anyway, are you trying to make your kubuntu work right now? maybe we can help get things running
[12:13] <evanvarvell> oh my goodness...................i have just woken uop..........................my minds not in tech mode............................let me get coffee in me first
[12:13] <tonymc> OerHeks i've tried that mysql vulnerability today on my machine - the virus successfully loaded and launched (latest firefox 6)... under wine. i'm reconsidering the idea of keeping a wine installation around
[12:14] <evanvarvell> first time used quassel.....................nice and open for text..........good for chat
[12:15] <evanvarvell> i will be back later after my coffee fill
[12:15] <evanvarvell> or energy drink fill
[12:15] <tonymc> evanvarvell i liked konversation more than quassel... until i found out about what quassel can do. now i have quassel running on my server machine and never offline from IRC, haha
[12:18] <evanvarvell> how can i be sure that kde wallet is secure place for passwords?
[12:18] <tonymc> evanvarvell it is secure. it's encrypted, you can't open it without the right password.
[12:19] <tonymc> if you lose your passwords - you lose your wallet. no "password reset" feature.
[12:19] <evanvarvell> bbl
[12:19] <tonymc> of course, having a weak password means weaker security, but that's not kwallet's fault anyway
[12:20] <tonymc> kwallet daemon controls applications' access to kwallet, so if something is trying to access it - it notifies you
[12:21] <tonymc> of course it's still possible to make another application do whatever you want (e.g. buffer overflows) but i counter that with an option to close the wallet after 10 minutes of inactivity. thus next time a program asks for passwords, it asks me even if it had asked for passwords before.
[12:21] <tonymc> so kwallet is pretty well secure.
[12:22] <evanvarvell> afk
[12:29] <blwesse> hello....
[12:30] <tonymc> hi
[12:30] <blwesse> do you know how to download counterstrike:source in playonlinux?
[12:30] <tonymc> sorry, no idea
[12:31] <blwesse> - -
[12:31] <tonymc> but maybe google can helpo
[12:31] <tonymc> let me see
[12:32] <blwesse> all right..
[12:32] <tonymc> i'm not familiar with playonlinux (i don't play games under linux) and not really familiar with CS:S also... so sorry i can't be of any help
[12:33] <tonymc> the playonlinux website though says that there's a script
[12:33] <blwesse> thanks
[12:35] <OerHeks> you need to buy CS, the script will help install.
[12:48] <clyde> hello
[12:50] <clyde> bonjour allee
[12:50] <blwesse> ?
[12:51] <clyde> VIVE LA FRANCE
[12:52] <blwesse> hello,everyone.
[13:03] <blwesse> I want to chat..
[13:32] <AlexZion> I guys ..., since few days I got a little problem on Kubutnu 11.04 with kde 4.7..., quite randomly the KDM crashes and I'm send back to the login screen , of course losing everything I 'didnt save for a while.......
[13:33] <AlexZion> I heard on the Italian channel that some other people has the same problem ...., so someone knows where the problem is ?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:36] <AlexZion> the only things I can get is "X server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly"
[13:43] <avihay> happened to me once, didn't find anything informative in the logs :-<
[14:03] <rvb> hello may i ask if there is a command line email client for kubuntu?
[14:35] <yoga> !upgrade
[15:14] <phoenix_firebrd> what is the advantage of using chromium over chrom is ubuntu?
[15:35] <jtheuer> hi, any idea how I can start an ssh-agent inside an ssh session "ssh user@host mycommands.sh" where mycommands shall password-less connect to another ssh host ...
[15:40] <BluesKaj> jtheuer, the other host has to have the the same public/private rsa key pair on the target ssh host.
[15:41] <BluesKaj> oops , didn't mean to repeat myself there '
[15:42] <BluesKaj> jtheuer, this might help, http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2008/11/3-steps-to-perform-ssh-login-without-password-using-ssh-keygen-ssh-copy-id/
[15:50] <jtheuer> BluesKaj: they don't have the same public/private key but I can copy the key to the intermediate host in advance
[15:51] <jtheuer> thanks for the link!
[16:02] <i1920x1080> everytime I boot up and enter the desktop for the first time, satan comes out of my speakers and hisses horribly at me during the startup sound... what the hell is going on? God wants to know. By the way, once this is over with, all sounds appear to be normal.
[16:20] <HipHansiFlo> *Wo bin ich alles hier gelandet*
[16:23] <HipHansiFlo> wer ist alles deutsch?
[16:31] <DarthFrog>  !de
[16:32] <HipHansiFlo> !fr
[16:32] <HipHansiFlo> super thx :D
[16:41] <adwait_sharma> can someone suggest me any good ocr ?
[16:41] <adwait_sharma> to convert pdf to html
[16:41] <Peace-> mm
[16:41] <Peace-> adwait_sharma: it's a starndard pdf ?
[16:42] <adwait_sharma> Peace:yes
[16:42] <Peace-> adwait_sharma: i mean you can open it with okular?
[16:42] <Peace-> adwait_sharma: so open that with okular ... and try to search one word
[16:42] <Peace-> if the pdf it's a real pdf file you can convert it to html
[16:42] <Peace-> withoput ocr
[16:42] <adwait_sharma> Peace:let me try :)
[16:45] <evanvarvell> ..
[17:07] <pythonsnake> Hello
[17:07] <Peace-> hi
[17:07] <pythonsnake> Is there any good firewall gui ?
[17:07] <Peace-> of course
[17:07] <pythonsnake> maybe iptables front end ?
[17:07] <Peace-> easy or complex?
[17:07] <Peace-> of course
[17:07] <pythonsnake> feature complete.. complex?
[17:07] <pythonsnake> :-)
[17:08] <Peace-> ok i will link to my blog there is the easy and the complex
[17:08] <Peace-> then you will choose
[17:08] <Peace-> pythonsnake: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2011/01/25/easy-firewall-for-kde4-kubuntu/
[17:08] <Peace-> pythonsnake: complex http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/10/09/firewall-for-kde4/
[17:09] <pythonsnake> nice blog!
[17:09] <Peace-> pythonsnake:   i will suggest the first one btw
[17:09] <pythonsnake> second one is _too_ complicated?
[17:10] <Peace-> pythonsnake: well for me yes ... look at the youtube tutorial for the secondo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UJb6BuJtzA&feature=player_embedded
[17:11] <pythonsnake> It's sad that all other firewalls are outdated..
[17:11] <Peace-> the first one for me is ok
[17:11] <Peace-> pythonsnake: btw have you a router?
[17:11] <pythonsnake> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/UFW+KControl+Module?content=137789 ?
[17:11] <pythonsnake> Peace-: Yes
[17:11] <Peace-> pythonsnake: well if you have a router you don't need of a firewall
[17:12] <Peace-> just use the router that has an integrated firewall built in
[17:12] <pythonsnake> something like that ? http://tomsk.wstream.ru/karta/bz/huawei800.jpg
[17:12] <pythonsnake> yes
[17:13] <Peace-> pythonsnake: to go into your router you need in my case : open the browser and type <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:13] <pythonsnake> after?
[17:13] <Peace-> then there should be an interface of your router
[17:13] <Peace-> pythonsnake: for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvzFHHDvU8E
[17:13] <pythonsnake> BRB
[17:19] <pythonsnake> Back, Peace-
[17:23] <Peace-> pythonsnake: hola
[17:23] <pythonsnake> que tal?
[17:23] <Peace-> pythonsnake: well i am italian ... that was like hi
[17:23] <pythonsnake> bonjourno :-)
[17:24] <pythonsnake> or
[17:24] <pythonsnake> ciao
[17:24] <Peace-> ok, i am sorry but... this si an official channel to support kubuntu so...
[17:24] <Peace-> we must be serious
[17:25] <Peace-> have you resolved your problems ?
[17:26] <pythonsnake> not yet
[17:26] <pythonsnake> Peace-: you recommend that one ? http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/UFW+KControl+Module?content=137789
[17:27] <Peace-> pythonsnake: yes
[17:30] <ahel> jokey-kde has crashed while removing fglrx. now i cannot login anymore
[17:31] <Peace-> wow
[17:31] <Peace-> ahel: lsb_release -a
[17:31] <pythonsnake> Peace-: Thank you
[17:32] <pythonsnake> ahel: uname -a
[17:32] <Peace-> y r welcome
[17:32] <ahel> beta2
[17:32] <Peace-> ahel: oh well it's a beta man...
[17:32] <pythonsnake> ahel: #ubuntu+1
[17:32] <Peace-> ahel: you need to remove the drivers...
[17:32] <Peace-> ahel: then reinstall the old drivers...
[17:32] <Peace-> and login
[17:32] <Peace-> !ati
[17:33] <ahel> yeah i know, but maybe you could tell me what's the name for ¬fglrx
[17:33] <Peace-> ahel: i don't know i have intel
[17:33] <Peace-> ahel: btw should be in the wiki
[17:34] <ahel> eheh you have showed me the wiki page. it's enought! ty Peace-
[18:11] <oal_> When I press vol up and vol down on my keyboard, nothing changes, only when I change Master F in Alsamixer, I can change sound volume. What's wrong?
[18:12] <oal_> It has happened before, but I can't remember how I fixed it
[18:15] <Peace-> oal_: ?
[18:15] <oal_> Peace-: The volume "display" shows that the volume goes up and down, but it doesn't change
[18:16] <BluesKaj> oal_, I've been wondering about that myself since karmic .
[18:16] <oal_> BluesKaj: Insanely annoying
[18:16] <Peace-> oal_: well it seems a bad configuration
[18:16] <Peace-> of your audio driver
[18:16] <Peace-> lspci | grep -i audio
[18:17] <OerHeks> sound-level tru keyboard works fine her
[18:17] <oal_> Peace-: http://dpaste.com/622105/
[18:17] <oal_> OerHeks: yes, it worked yesterday, but not today.
[18:18] <Peace-> oal_: alsamixer -V all
[18:18] <Peace-> pres F6
[18:18] <Peace-> select a audio card
[18:18] <Peace-> i guess it's your nvidia the best
[18:18] <Peace-> and test
[18:18] <oal_> Only the intel one shows any bars
[18:19] <Peace-> ok
[18:19] <oal_> And none of the bars move when I use my keyboard volume controls
[18:19] <Peace-> wait i am programming and reading and and and
[18:20] <BluesKaj> oal_, try the arrow keys
[18:20] <oal_> BluesKaj: that works when "Master F" is selected
[18:21] <oal_> But I have to go. Highlight me if someone know the answer, please :)
[18:21] <Peace-> oal_: basically you need to edit a config file
[18:21] <Peace-> and try some stuff
[18:22] <Peace-> oal_: try to read this i have no time right now sorry :( http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2009/11/07/kubuntu-audio-card-that-doesnt-work/
[18:22] <Peace-> BluesKaj: bye
[18:31] <pythonsnake> hi
[18:33] <odo2063> hi, i've tried to install kubuntu on my amd e350 board(with uefi), but it seems to lose the connection to the cdimage(usb-stick/usb-cdrom) at boot time.
[18:42] <afief> How can I upgrade my ubuntu 11.04 to 10.10 beta?
[18:44] <genii-around> afief: We do not encourage going to a pre-release distribution. But if you feel you must: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[19:05] <neil__> I'm trying to search a remote server via ftp in Dolphin, but find still just searches my computer. Are there more search options anywhere?
[19:14] <odo2063> for everyone interrested in my problem. the board seems to turn off and on some usbports during start so using an other port works for the usb-cdrom-drive
[19:23] <BarkingFish> erm guys, you might want to watch a user called GreenEqualizer - randomly PM'ing people with a supposed link to a facebook page - I'm not touching this one with a bargepole, he's going straight on ignore.  He's currently in defocus and pm'd me the second i logged in.
[19:24] <TheEvilPhoenix> BarkingFish:  he PM'd me too
[19:24] <TheEvilPhoenix> he's not given me the link though
[19:25] <TheEvilPhoenix> i'd report it to staff if it becomes too annoying.
[19:25] <TheEvilPhoenix> considering he's already tried twice to do that to me
[19:25] <TheEvilPhoenix> and failed
[19:25] <BarkingFish> oh sheds, wrong channel for my message. I meant to send that to #freenode
[19:25] <TheEvilPhoenix> BarkingFish:  you have failed :P
[19:26] <BarkingFish> yeah, my mind's elsewhere at the moment. I'm having issues building a kernel module I desperately need to get working.
[19:27] <TheEvilPhoenix> BarkingFish:  i see
[19:27] <BarkingFish> I've had no joy with the ipaq.ko module that came with 2.6.38-11-generic, so I got hold of the module code and rebuilt it fresh, including the USBID for my ipaq model which wasn't listed.
[19:28] <BarkingFish> Now, the module built and generated properly, modinfo can read it, but it won't insmod.
[19:28] <BarkingFish> I get an error from it:  FATAL: Cannot insert /home/thor/Downloads/ipaqsrc/ipaq.ko - Unknown symbol in module (-1)
[19:31] <BarkingFish> I'm just wondering what I might have done wrong, since I need the module to work so my iPAQ 1950 (03f0:1c1d) will pick up and sync with my pc.
[19:32] <tiago_> I remove the libgcrypt package which had some dependencies which were also removed. Now i only have access to the CLI and have managed to mount the iso of ubuntu (i don't own a cd). I can't access the internet, so I can't get the missing packages. Is it possible to retrieve them from the mounted iso?
[19:33] <BarkingFish> tiago_, If it's ubuntu, and not kubuntu, you're in the wrong channel :)
[19:33] <BarkingFish> try #ubuntu for some help!
[19:35] <tiago_> ok thanks.
[19:37] <avihay> tiago_: sudo mount -ro loop ./CD1.iso /media/cdrom0
[19:37] <odo2063> is there still the "toram" option in 11.04? and if "yes", howto use it?
[19:37] <avihay> tiago_: woops, you need something else
[19:39] <well_laid_lawn> tiago_: the packages should still be in /var/cache/apt afaik
[19:39] <avihay> tiago_: try man apt-cdrom
[19:41] <tiago_> well_laid_lawn: how do i get them running? when i try to do dpkg it just tries to find the packages on the internet
[19:42] <tiago_> avihay: thanks i'll take a look
[19:42] <well_laid_lawn> tiago_: you need to give the pathto the file
[19:43] <tiago_> i see, that will probably work
[19:45] <avihay> or just look at the disk, the packges are there in normal deb files
[19:54] <alex___> hi guys I just installed the beta2 ofkubuntu 11.10 , and i was wondering about the package manager ..., what's up , I mean ....,in the newone are still missing alot of usefull future if I don't mistake ....
[19:54] <well_laid_lawn> !11.10
[19:55] <pythonsnake> Hi
[19:55] <OerHeks> not all packages are ready, or shall return in gnome3
[19:55] <pythonsnake> Where can I set dns servers
[19:55] <pythonsnake> secondary primary
[19:56] <well_laid_lawn> pythonsnake: there's the various network managers or /etc/resolv.conf iirc
[19:57] <pythonsnake> well_laid_lawn: what is default network manager
[19:59] <well_laid_lawn> isn't it networkmanager - I run a very minimal setup
[19:59] <OerHeks> it's on your panel, right below next to the clock
[20:00] <pythonsnake> got it
[20:00] <pythonsnake> but no primary or secondary dns
[20:02] <OerHeks> dns1,dns2,dns3,dns4 ?
[20:03] <pythonsnake> yes
[20:05] <OerHeks> <IP_ADDRESS>,<IP_ADDRESS>,<IP_ADDRESS> etc
[20:05] <pythonsnake> cool
[20:05] <OerHeks> the [...] button next to it, wil open a menu to add dns servers, result is the same
[20:06] <pythonsnake> Why this FloodBot mess :/
[20:06] <pythonsnake> OerHeks: /etc/resolv.conf winned
[20:52] <Alantas> Screensavers. How do I prevent it from shutting the monitor off? There doesn't appear to be an option to that effect. (This is KDE 4.4.5 and I distinctly remember having the Clock screensaver there (in KDE 3.2.3) when I woke up, for many years.)
[21:31] <avihay> finaly, repository has binary versions of kde 4.7.1
[21:33] <OerHeks> backports ?
[21:35] <avihay> I think, didn't check
[21:35] <avihay> yes, backports
[21:36] <uberdub> Any one want to take a stab at why my wifi driver is finicky? Its either that or the card itself is faulty
[21:36] <uberdub> http://pastebin.com/975hdWH1
[21:36] <uberdub> atheros ath9k driver
[21:37] <avihay> did you try looking in google if others are haveing the same issue?
[21:37] <uberdub> yes, ive googled it to no end
[21:37] <uberdub> its an intermittent issue
[21:37] <avihay> I think the atheros drivers are very stable
[21:37] <uberdub> been happening off, and on for months
[21:38] <uberdub> yeah, the driver seems stable, Im leaning toward the chip itself is faulty
[21:38] <avihay> anyway, you should specify your exact card model (lsusb/lspci)
[21:38] <uberdub> well, it comes up as different than what it is actually.
[21:39] <uberdub> 03:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
[21:39] <uberdub> thats what lspci shows
[21:40] <uberdub> the card is actually a AR5B93
[21:42] <uberdub> is there any way I can verify its bad hardware? It works if i put the live cd in
[21:43] <avihay> well, I looked at a few posts, and they mostly point to this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8257777&postcount=5
[21:43] <uberdub> it eventually starts working again, if I reboot, modprobe it for days
[21:44] <avihay> it's old, but it may still be relevant
[21:44] <well_laid_lawn> when it stops working have a look at dmesg
[21:44] <avihay> ^
[21:45] <uberdub> I have, I posted the results on pastebin
[21:45] <uberdub> http://pastebin.com/975hdWH1
[21:46] <uberdub> reading the ubuntu post now
[21:48] <pythonsnake> is there ufw gui for kde ?
[21:49] <uberdub> not sure
[21:50] <uberdub> to comment a line you add the "#" right?
[21:50] <OerHeks> KDE gui for iptables ?
[21:51] <well_laid_lawn> uberdub: yep #=comment
[21:52] <well_laid_lawn> see if this helps too - http://forum.aircrack-ng.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=uc81siq4mgm1dk9480ao2nlr85&topic=6822.0
[21:52] <uberdub> hmm, Ive read the ubuntu forum thread before
[21:52] <uberdub> Mine works with the live cd in
[21:53] <uberdub> which leads me to believe its software
[21:53] <well_laid_lawn> live cd would be using a different kernel afaik
[21:53] <uberdub> true
[21:54] <uberdub> Im going to follow the solution, and if it doesnt work, I can always reedit
[21:55] <uberdub> just seemed to me commenting out the line in blacklist.conf would uh..blacklist it
[21:56] <uberdub> to get the backports just use apt-get?
[22:00] <pythonsnake> I got that error when I try to comppile kcm_ufw
[22:00] <pythonsnake> ooops
[22:00] <pythonsnake> :/
[22:00] <pythonsnake> Is there a gufw for KDE ?
[22:00] <pythonsnake> I meant a gui firewall
[22:03] <uberdub> oh gui firewall, dunno
[22:03] <uberdub> there is guard dog
[22:03] <uberdub> and firestarter
[22:04] <uberdub> hmm I cant find these backports
[22:04] <uberdub> for karmic
[22:05] <OerHeks> !karmic
[22:05] <OerHeks> i think the karmic repo's are over ..
[22:05] <pythonsnake> uberdub: out of date
[22:05] <amichair> my click-on-the-taskbar-clock calendar is gone! Anyone have an idea how to bring it back? Is this a known issue?
[22:06] <uberdub> hmm, the solution on ubuntu forum isnt quite complete then
[22:06] <avihay> !brain
[22:07] <uberdub> the solution says to install karmic backports, but thats not possible
[22:07] <OerHeks> do you run karmic at this moment ?
[22:07] <uberdub> no
[22:08] <uberdub> natty
[22:08] <OerHeks> use natty backports instead
[22:09] <uberdub> yeah, I was trying to follow a solution some one had given
[22:09] <uberdub> and that was to install karmic backports
[22:24] <amichair> When clicking on the panel's clock, the calendar is empty, as in http://imagebin.org/174990 (in kde 4.7.0 and 4.7.1). Any ideas?
[22:25] <chrischross> hallo, know somebody the command to register your nickname in quassel-irc
[22:31] <hipo_> im a big noob i did tar man and pretty much chinese poped up someone told me a way to do it before and it was realy simple the file is call tibia920.tgz
[22:32] <hipo_> how would i install /compile or w.e that
[22:32] <well_laid_lawn> hipo_: you were asking this in #xubuntu....
[22:32] <chrischross> please qry
[22:33] <chrischross> to nickname register question
[22:33] <well_laid_lawn> !register | chrischross
[23:20] <sea4ever> Hey all, is anyone aware of whether the emacs special modes like git-blame-mode are included by default?
[23:20] <sea4ever> It seems like they are not, but I can't figure out which packages provide them.
[23:32] <sea4ever> I figured it out.


 I woke up to noticeably less emails from the lists.
[14:05] <kwwii> oh well, not much I can do but wait
[19:07]  * thorwil summons nand
[20:43] <thorwil> hmm, didn't work
[20:43] <thorwil> comments anyone?  http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/banner_bugs_brainstorm_02.jpg
[20:45] <andreasn> nice
[20:45] <thorwil> ty
[20:45] <andreasn> thorwil: would you be interested in helping to come up with a logo for the gnome accessibility project?
[20:46] <thorwil> andreasn: i have several things on my list. what's the timeframe?
[20:46] <andreasn> no hurry really
[20:47] <andreasn> I have one proposal that I was thinking of sending to the gnome-themes list tonight
[20:47] <thorwil> andreasn: can't promise anything, but if there's no hurry i might
[20:47] <andreasn> cool
[20:48] <thorwil> if you just need a critical eye/mind ... that i can offer almost any time ;)
[20:49] <thorwil> andreasn: i'll be gone in about 10 minutes, though
[20:49] <andreasn> are you subscribed to gnome-themes list?
[20:50]  * thorwil checks his too large subscriptions folder
[20:50] <thorwil> seems so :)
[20:50] <andreasn> :)
[21:07] <thorwil> good night!


[18:53] <seb128> hey there. I plan to be there to the DMB meeting but I will probably be ~10 min late, sorry
[19:00] <sil2100> o/
[19:00] <rbasak> o/
[19:00] <mirespace> o/
[19:00] <kanashiro> o/
[19:02] <rbasak> #startmeeting Developer Membership Board
[19:02] <meetingology> Meeting started at 19:02:19 UTC.  The chair is rbasak.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[19:02] <rbasak> #topic Package Set/Per Package Uploader Applications
[19:02] <rbasak> #subtopic Miriam España Acebal
[19:02] <rbasak> mirespace: welcome!
[19:02] <mirespace> rbasak: thank you!
[19:02] <rbasak> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MiriamEspanaAcebal/ServerUploaderDeveloperApplication
[19:03] <rbasak> mirespace: would you like to introduce yourself please?
[19:03] <mirespace> Hi, my name is Miriam España Acebal (yes, two surnames… Spain is different) and I work as a distro engineer in the CPC team at Canonical.
[19:03] <mirespace> When I joined Canonical in 2021 I started in the Server Team and I’m still quite involved with them yet.
[19:04] <mirespace> Besides this, I may be mostly known for packaging dotnet (dotnet6 and dotnet7) and introduce it as New in 2022 on Kinetic.
[19:04] <mirespace> I’m based in Granada (Spain).
[19:04] <rbasak> Thank you! I can start with some questions.
[19:05] <mirespace> ok
[19:05] <rbasak> Where can you find details of the various freeze dates applicable to the current Ubuntu development release cycle? And what freeze applies to the archive at the moment?
[19:05] <mirespace> In the  Noble Schedule: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-release-schedule/35649
[19:06] <mirespace> We are in Feature Freeze
[19:06] <sil2100> (/me will have a question when rbasak is done with his)
[19:06] <mirespace> and also, you can find that info on IRC, the topic of #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-release on Libera Chat is generally updated to indicate the current freeze status.
[19:07] <rbasak> sil2100: ack
[19:08] <rbasak> mirespace: if a package is on version 1.2-3ubuntu1 and you're considering uploading 1.2.1-0ubuntu1, then what information do you need to decide if the upload would be acceptable during feature freeze?
[19:09] <mirespace> the -0 before the ubuntu is telling that we are uploading a version from upstream that us not in Debian, and it would be acceptable if the diff between that versions includes fixes
[19:10] <rbasak> Is there anything that might be present in the diff that would make the upload unacceptable?
[19:11] <mirespace> cosmetic changes that makes the review more difficult and new features described in the changelog or CHANGES file
[19:11] <rbasak> What if the diff contains new features that aren't described in the changelog or CHANGES file?
[19:12] <mirespace> do you mean new features per se, not fixing/ or correcting a anormal behaviour?
[19:13] <rbasak> Yes - so for example imagine that on examining the diff, you notice something that is without doubt a new feature.
[19:14] <mirespace> So, we are talking about a MicroRelease upgrade, and we would need a microrelease exception in place (approved by the release team) to allow it
[19:14] <mirespace> MRE
[19:15] <mirespace> in thios case, the .1 before the -0 points to a microrelease upgrade
[19:15] <mirespace> s/thios/thios/
[19:15] <mirespace> aaah... *this
[19:16] <rbasak> OK thanks. Let's move on. I have more questions, but shall we take turns? sil2100 do you want to go next?
[19:16] <sil2100> o/
[19:16] <mirespace> o?
[19:16] <sil2100> I have 2 small questions
[19:16] <mirespace> o/
[19:16] <mirespace> ok
[19:17] <mirespace> ups (MRE approved by SRU team, sorry)
[19:17] <sil2100> 1) When preparing an SRU, we require filling out the 'template' information in the bug. Part of the template is the Regression Potential / Where problems could occur section. Can you tell me what it is for?
[19:18] <sil2100> What is the purpose of that section?
[19:18] <mirespace> With that part, the uploader demonstrates that the risk of the upload had been deeply considered
[19:19] <seb128> o/ (queuing for a question after Lukasz)
[19:19] <mirespace> Thinking about what else could occurs if my package lands in the archive... not only dfailures of the package itlself
[19:19] <mirespace> also, how it could affect othe packages that usally interacts with it
[19:20] <mirespace> or user/third party scripts that use any part of the package uploaded
[19:20] <sil2100> Okay, second question:
[19:21] <sil2100> 2) When you prepare and upload your SRU, and it gets accepted by the SRU team into -proposed, what are your next responsibilities regarding the SRU? What is expected of you?
[19:22] <mirespace> me (or anyone else) should test the package in -proposed to verify the bug is fixed
[19:22] <mirespace> with the test plan provided by me in the sru template
[19:22] <mirespace> that is used to fill the bug
[19:22] <mirespace> if the package, later, it's released because the aging period is reached
[19:23] <mirespace> I should take a look to the component mistmached page to see if the package builds OK or have a regression (itself or with other packages)
[19:24] <mirespace> I mean, taking care it passes the tests (DEP8) for the archs it builds
[19:24] <mirespace> the comp0onent mismatche no, the update excuses, sorry
[19:24] <sil2100> You mentioned component mismatches?
[19:24] <sil2100> Ah, yes
[19:24] <sil2100> This is what I wanted to see!
[19:24] <mirespace> https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[19:24] <mirespace> (too much MIR work lately, sorry)
[19:25] <mirespace> :)
[19:25] <sil2100> mirespace: this is the update_excuses page for the development series. If, say, you had an upload in jammy, where would you look for autopkgtest results?
[19:25] <mirespace> https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/jammy/update_excuses.html
[19:26] <mirespace> the scheme would be :  https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/<supported_series>/update_excuses.html
[19:26] <sil2100> Ok, thanks! That's enough from me
[19:26] <sil2100> seb128, rbasak: ^
[19:27] <rbasak> seb128: over to you
[19:27] <seb128> mirespace, you mentioned a MRE earlier ... what is a MRE for you and where/to which serie does that apply?
[19:28] <mirespace> we want to provide to users of our supported series (LTS or interim at the moment of the MRE) with the more stable experience when using a piece of software
[19:29] <mirespace> to provide this, sometimes is needed to upgrade versions of packages in stable releases that include not only security fixes : new features too, in the sense
[19:30] <mirespace> of replacing supporting of a feature/protocol/package  that is going to dissapear
[19:30] <mirespace> or to maintain the package usable in a supported series
[19:31] <mirespace> It's used mostly for packages that impact the series/are very used in the community
[19:31] <mirespace> i.e., dpdk
[19:31] <seb128> mirespace, so for a such case what would be the process? would you need to ask for the exception (and if so how/to who)? or is there any guideline describing those exception cases?
[19:32] <mirespace> You need to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#New_upstream_microreleases
[19:33] <mirespace> Writting the MRE exception to be included into the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates, once approved by the SRU team
[19:33] <seb128> mirespace, ok, thanks for your replies, that's enough for me :)
[19:34] <mirespace> in that exception you need to expose the reasons about why we should do it, what extra test we are doing
[19:34] <mirespace> and special considerations to take care (release cadence, for example)
[19:34] <mirespace> ok ... sorry for continuing answering :$
[19:34] <seb128> no worry, please keep writting if you have more to say
[19:35] <mirespace> it's ok :)
[19:35] <seb128> it's sometime difficult in written to know when the other side is done write
[19:35] <seb128> just finish with some sort of </end> :)
[19:35] <mirespace> I agree totally wit you on that
[19:35] <mirespace> good idea
[19:36] <rbasak> OK I guess that line of questions is done? I was going to ask about proposed migration in the development release, but you've already basically answered my question above.
[19:36] <rbasak> So I have no further questions.
[19:36] <rbasak> Anyone else?
[19:36] <seb128> no further question from me
[19:38] <rbasak> #vote Grant mirespace upload access to the ubuntu-server packageset
[19:38] <meetingology> Please vote on: Grant mirespace upload access to the ubuntu-server packageset
[19:38] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname')
[19:38] <rbasak> +1
[19:38] <meetingology> +1 received from rbasak
[19:38] <sil2100> +1
[19:38] <meetingology> +1 received from sil2100
[19:39] <seb128> +1 (though I think there is some confusions about MRE and rules applying to SRU of micro-releases, that's not a blocker for a set application but should be resolved on the way to coredev)
[19:39] <meetingology> +1 (though I think there is some confusions about MRE and rules applying to SRU of micro-releases, that's not a blocker for a set application but should be resolved on the way to coredev) received from seb128
[19:39] <mirespace> I'll work on that seb128:
[19:40] <bdmurray> +1
[19:40] <meetingology> +1 received from bdmurray
[19:40] <rbasak> kanashiro: vote?
[19:40]  * bdmurray needs to run though
[19:42] <seb128> mirespace, the policy section you referred to is about microreleases including bugfixing, it doesn't cover features. Also usually a MRE is a special rule you ask for a special projects (like you mentioned for services); it wouldn't be the solution to a new feature being added to a microrelease of a random package
[19:43] <seb128> mirespace, also I got slightly confused that the MRE mention came in a discussion about feature freeze, which means devel release and not a stable one, so the process would be a FFe
[19:44] <mirespace> yes, you're right... i had in my notes new upstream (microrelease)
[19:44] <mirespace> for FFe
[19:45] <rbasak> #endvote
[19:45] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Grant mirespace upload access to the ubuntu-server packageset
[19:45] <meetingology> Votes for: 4, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 0
[19:45] <meetingology> Motion carried
[19:45] <mirespace> I have got a prepared answer about FFe
[19:45] <rbasak> Congratulations mirespace!
[19:45] <seb128> mirespace, congratulations!
[19:45] <rbasak> #action rbasak to announce mirespace's successful application
[19:45] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to announce mirespace's successful application
[19:45] <mirespace> thank you! _sweating_
[19:45] <rbasak> #action rbasak to adjust ACLs for mirespace's successful application
[19:45] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to adjust ACLs for mirespace's successful application
[19:46] <sil2100> Congrats!
[19:46] <rbasak> #topic Review of previous action items
[19:46] <mirespace> MRE page caught : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Documentation_for_Special_Cases aaah
[19:47] <rbasak> The two people with actions aren't here, so I'll carry them both over.
[19:47] <rbasak> #action Utkarsh to review the tasks for a DMB election and decide if he can take that on. If not we should choose somebody to run the election.
[19:47] <meetingology> ACTION: Utkarsh to review the tasks for a DMB election and decide if he can take that on. If not we should choose somebody to run the election.
[19:47] <mirespace> than kyou sil2100 !
[19:47] <rbasak> #action teward follow up to get all application process wiki/docs to explain the process to be able to edit wiki pages, for applicants who don't yet have wiki edit access (carried over)
[19:47] <meetingology> ACTION: teward follow up to get all application process wiki/docs to explain the process to be able to edit wiki pages, for applicants who don't yet have wiki edit access (carried over)
[19:47] <rbasak> #topic Outstanding mailing list requests to assign
[19:48] <seb128> there is a kubuntu set update request that teward might be handling or not? (I'm unsure from his message)
[19:48] <rbasak> I remember seeing his reply, but I don't see it in my list archives
[19:48] <rbasak> Any idea where it is?
[19:48] <bdmurray> In two weeks people will have expired from the team
[19:49] <seb128> rbasak, it's on the dev-membership one
[19:49] <seb128> bdmurray, yes, I was going to mention that once we are in AOB :)
[19:49] <rbasak> seb128: thanks. It should be on the public list really :-/
[19:50] <rbasak> seb128: given you replied today, shall we treat it as making progress, and follow up next time?
[19:50] <seb128> +1
[19:50] <rbasak> I don't see anything else unaddressed on the ML.
[19:50] <rbasak> #topic Open TB bugs
[19:51] <rbasak> #info No open TB bugs
[19:51] <rbasak> #topic AOB
[19:51] <seb128> what bdmurray said ^
[19:51] <rbasak> Thank you for noting the schedule.
[19:51] <seb128> kanashiro, bdmurray and me will have our membership expired by the next meeting
[19:52] <rbasak> I guess in Utkarsh's absence perhaps we should assume that the answer is that no, he doesn't have the capacity, and so we should find someone else to run it?
[19:52] <rbasak> ...and the other seats expire on 16 June
[19:53] <seb128> I think it would be nice but any idea who the someone could be?
[19:53] <rbasak> I have done it in the past and am happy to volunteer to do it again
[19:53] <seb128> also I don't remember how we ended up there but it's unfortunate those expirations are back to back
[19:53] <rbasak> I would like to combine the two sets though, rather than run two elections two months apart.
[19:53] <seb128> +1 from me
[19:54] <seb128> to be clear +1 for you to handle it but also for combining
[19:54] <rbasak> Since the results are ranked, we can agree that the top three ranking candidates will take their seats immediately, and the other four will take their seats in June.
[19:54] <sil2100> Same here
[19:54]  * sil2100 needs to drop, sadly o/
[19:55] <rbasak> unfortunate hose expirations are back to back> should we try to re-stagger them?
[19:55] <seb128> unsure how we do that, it's also late in the slot to have that discussion now?
[19:56] <rbasak> For example, normally the term is two years. We could make the second set one year only, so then we'll have two halves (modulo integer division) staggered one year apart again.
[19:56] <seb128> I would say just go with the election and the new board can put that on their agenda
[19:59] <rbasak> Let me write to the list with a detailed proposal, since there are some other bits I can think of that I need agreement for in order that the combined election will work.
[19:59] <rbasak> Anything else to discuss?
[20:00] <seb128> not from me
[20:00] <rbasak> #endmeeting
[20:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 20:00:06 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-03-18-19.02.moin.txt
[20:00] <rbasak> Thanks all!
[20:00] <mirespace> than you all seb128 rbasak bdmurray sil2100 !
[20:00] <seb128> thanks rbasak
[20:00] <mirespace> How bad are the nervesssssss
[20:02] <seb128> and thanks DMB members it was fun being part of the board (unsure if I'm going to re-apply yet, I'm struggling to find the needed time often)
[20:03] <seb128> rbasak, I guess next meeting is only with 4 members but it's still enough to get a quorum on votes if needed
[20:03] <seb128> rbasak, unless we have a list vote on your proposal before us 3 expire
[20:19] <rbasak> seb128: a list vote is fine, but also when this has happened in the past the TB has always been willing to temporarily extend the existing terms to cover the gap.
[20:19] <rbasak> I've emailed the list with my proposal.
[20:19] <seb128> thanks
[20:19] <rbasak> I hope it is unambiguous and covers the edge cases. Please scrutinize!
[21:32] <teward> i apologize i was not present rbasak and all. unexpected call into the office today for the whole day