[05:55] <bla|patrick> just tried to built amarok on my own
[05:55] <djdarkman> hy ,can someone tell me how can i set the available resoultions for the X server after installation?
[05:55] <bla|patrick> found a nice tutorial
[05:55] <bla|patrick> but it  is the same behaviour...
[05:56] <bla|patrick> it ends up in a tmp-folder and gets delted afterwards
[05:56] <bla|patrick> no debs, no rpms, no whatevers
[05:56] <manveru> bla|patrick: you know checkinstall?
[05:56] <bla|patrick> whats that?
[05:56] <manveru> it's a powerful tool for building your own debs
[05:57] <bla|patrick> sudo checkinstall is not found
[05:57] <manveru> !info checkinstall
[05:57] <bla|patrick> never heard of that
[05:57] <ubotu> checkinstall: (installation tracker), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.5.3-3 (breezy), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 132 kB
[05:57] <nalioth> !checkinstall
[05:57] <ubotu> somebody said checkinstall was http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[05:57] <manveru> ty
[05:57] <nalioth> bla|patrick: checkinstall will be your best friend if you compile your own source code
[05:57] <djdarkman> hy ,can someone tell me how can i set the available resoultions for the X server after installation?
[05:58] <manveru> djdarkman: you can set it in the xorg.conf - wait a second
[05:58] <djdarkman> k
[05:58] <manveru> ubotu: tell djdarkman about resolution
[05:59] <djdarkman> 10x manveru
[05:59] <bla|patrick> however... linux bugs me now... i'll take a break of this and get of fnow
[05:59] <bla|patrick> good bye
[06:00] <manveru> they all come back some day... :)
[06:00] <brodel> Sounds like me with the other distros I tried.
[06:00] <brodel> I try to do something as simple as install gaim and 10 hours later I reformat  and say screw it.
[06:00] <manveru> hehe
[06:01] <LjL> is there some kind of complement to checkinstall that adds (or guesses) the right dependencies for what you're installing?
[06:01] <LjL> i mean, auto-apt does something, but it doesn't add the deps to the *created* package
[06:01] <manveru> hmm
[06:01] <nalioth> !checkinstall
[06:01] <ubotu> hmm... checkinstall is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[06:01] <nalioth> auto-apt grabs your build dependencies
[06:01] <nalioth> so that you CAN build it
[06:02] <manveru> never heard about auto-apt...
[06:02] <nalioth> instead of you reading each error and adding the pkg it calls for
[06:02] <djk_> i have a 6gb hdd, will 50mb /boot 2gb / 500mb swap and rest /home be enough for kubuntu?
[06:02] <nalioth> manveru: i dont use it. i tried it, and i prefer reading the error msgs and installing the libs it cries for
[06:02] <manveru> why did nobody tell me about it?
[06:02] <LjL> nalioth, that page says that checkinstall creates a .deb from all the files generated by make install. now, this newly created .deb won't have dependencies listed
[06:03] <manveru> this is _the_ killer-feature
[06:03] <LjL> i was asking if there is a way to have deps listed -- then perhaps this way to have them listed would use auto-apt, of course
[06:03] <nalioth> LjL: no, the checkinstall debs are for local use
[06:03] <LjL> (though i must say that auto-apt also tries to install a lot of unneeded stuff... probably because it asks to install everything that ./configure ever checks for)
[06:04] <manveru> LjL: like the ada95-devs?
[06:04] <brodel> how would I know what to type in konsole using aptitude to install something without having to go in adept first? I wanted to install the beep media player so I was going to type install beep.. but after lookin in adept that would of been  an advanced pcspeaker beeper whatever that is for..
[06:04] <LjL> manveru: not sure, i think i remember it trying to install gcj and some perl stuff
[06:04] <manveru> brodel: i usually use apt-cache search for it
[06:05] <manveru> brodel: but you can search in aptitude... using the / key
[06:05] <LjL> brodel: apt-cache search <keywords>       aptitude install <packagename>
[06:05] <nalioth> brodel: learning the terminal is quite handy
[06:05] <nalioth> !cli
[06:05] <ubotu> well, cli is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[06:05] <manveru> nalioth: i wished there was a greater community for nano...
[06:05] <LjL> brodel: also, sometimes i find pruning apt-cache's output with grep useful
[06:05] <nalioth> nano rocks!
[06:05] <Flosoft> hey riddel ... u still there?
[06:06] <LjL> brodel: like, "apt-cache search <keywords> | grep <narrower-and-case-sensitive-keywords>"
[06:06] <manveru> nalioth: absolutly, but most people just smile and say - hey, use vi or emacs...
[06:06] <LjL> nano rocks
[06:06] <nalioth> i hate dist-upgrades
[06:06] <brodel> wow LjL I would of never of figured that out haha
[06:06] <brodel> thanks
[06:07] <brodel> what's nano? Unless you mean the new ipod?
[06:07] <Flosoft> The CD Image is already on my server ... the DVD image is comming along
[06:07] <nalioth> Flosoft: if you want him, use his correct nick, so it trips his clients bell
[06:07] <nalioth> !info nano
[06:07] <ubotu> nano: (free Pico clone with some new features), section editors, is standard. Version: 1.3.8-2 (breezy), Packaged size: 232 kB, Installed size: 1268 kB
[06:07] <LjL> brodel: well that's a shell thing... "grep" is a very powerful program to let you search through text. then, the "|" character is a pipe, which means that it lets you connect the *output* of a program to the *input* of another
[06:07] <Flosoft> so u can already add the page to the Kubuntu Download List
[06:07] <Flosoft> http://mirrors.flosoft.biz/projects/kubuntu.php
[06:07] <LjL> brodel: so that command basically says "search for this stuff, then give the output to grep, which will take it as input, and do stuff with it (in this case, search again)"
[06:07] <brodel> I knew what grep was, but I just thought it was for searching files for certain words
[06:08] <manveru> maybe i should start a nano-community - with syntax-files and stuff :)
[06:08] <brodel> just tried it.. sweet
[06:08] <LjL> brodel: and that's precisely what it does. only, a "file" doesn't necessarily have to be a *file* :)
[06:08] <nalioth> ubotu: tell brodel about cli
[06:08] <nalioth> brodel: when you have some free time, read that info from ubotu
[06:09] <brodel> crap.. I closed it somehow.. do that again please
[06:09] <brodel> I was in the terminal and somehow closed out the pm
[06:09] <LjL> done
[06:09] <brodel> thanks
[06:11] <brodel> now if I could only get my modem working so I could play around with this at work..
[06:12] <nalioth> Riddell: all your "test this" is kickin my arse on my dist-upgrade
[06:12] <Flosoft> Riddell: The Image is available on my servers. http://mirrors.flosoft.biz/projects/kubuntu.php
[06:13] <Riddell> nalioth: what's the problem?
[06:13] <nalioth> all those pkgs you asked to be tested...
[06:13] <nalioth> erroring out my upgrade to breezy
[06:13] <nalioth> nothing i havent dealt with on my other machines
[06:13] <LjL> nalioth: do you know if auto-apt is being actively developed?
[06:13] <Riddell> Flosoft: ug, javascript
[06:14] <nalioth> LjL: i do not
[06:14] <Riddell> nalioth: can you be more specific?
[06:14] <Flosoft> Riddel: Not for the Downlaods ... only for the Mirror info
[06:14] <nalioth> Riddell: i'm just running my mouth, i built 3.4.2 for my hoary and it's triggering upgrade errors
[06:15] <LjL> nalioth: you know, i think it would be useful if, for example, it could have a "blacklist" of packages it should ignore, for doing ./configure and stuff... or perhaps even something more elaborated... might have a look at it, if the code's not too complicated
[06:15] <Riddell> Flosoft: that's not clear, can you change the down arrows for filenames?
[06:15] <nalioth> LjL: knock yourself out, i dont use it personally (i tried it a couple of times)
[06:16] <Flosoft> ok
[06:18] <nalioth> just for kicks, how do you remove metapkgs and all their depends?
[06:19] <LjL> riddell: can you confirm that kde 3.5rc1 "resets" the konqueror toolbar (i now have all of the print, find, larger-font, smaller-fonts buttons that weren't in Kubuntu's standard toolbar), and that there is an abnormally large icons for "Control Center" in the Settings applet?
[06:19] <LjL> nalioth: well with aptitude, they get removed automatically, and that's sometimes a problem for me!
[06:19] <Riddell> LjL: hmm, it shouldn't do but that is possible
[06:19] <Riddell> LjL: settings applet?
[06:20] <LjL> Riddell: yes, the applet for Kicker that shows a menu with settings, including Control Panel and the whole settings sub-menu hierarchy
[06:20] <nalioth> LjL: my dist-upgrade is being held up by some pkgs i built, and i was gonna take my box down to the console
[06:21] <Flosoft> Riddell: Better like that?
[06:21] <nalioth> Riddell: i'm removing the 3.4.2 tree i built and hopefully it'll upgrade after that
[06:21] <LjL> Riddell: i don't think it's in the Kubuntu panel by default, but it can be added the usual way, right-click on panel, add applet, "Settings"
[06:24] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: oh, you're here now. Just sent you an e-mail on the sound preview bug thing for rc1.
[06:25] <Flosoft> LeeJunFan: Do u also have no sound?
[06:25] <LeeJunFan> Flosoft: no, I have sound, this one relates to the problem of mousing over an icon in RC1 and having it reset your desktop.
[06:26] <LeeJunFan> Flosoft: it kills konqueror. Turn off previews for sound files and that problem goes away.
[06:26] <Flosoft> LeeJunFan: Ow ok ... is there anyone else that has no sound? I can
[06:26] <LeeJunFan> Flosoft: with rc1?
[06:26] <Flosoft> 't hear any sound that comes from Linux ... only via Line or Mic
[06:27] <Flosoft> yes
[06:27] <Flosoft> rc1
[06:28] <LeeJunFan> Flosoft: try making a new user or renameing your ~/.kde dir to rule out anything in conf or apps dirs.
[06:28] <Flosoft> ok ... i'll try that
[06:28] <LeeJunFan> Flosoft: of course you'll have to log out to console if you plan to do the rename .kde dir, otherwize when you exit session it might just save bad settings again.
[06:29] <LeeJunFan> Flosoft: that's how I find most of my kde problems during upgrades and such, I know if I login without a .kde dir and it works then it's some old setting I've got hanging around that's causing the problem.
[06:30] <Flosoft> ok
[06:30] <LjL> nalioth: i'm not sure what you're getting at, but this will remove all the dependencies of a package:    apt-get --purge remove  `apt-cache show <package-name> | grep Depends | sed "s/Depends://" | sed "s/,//g"`
[06:30] <LjL> nalioth: at least it should
[06:31] <nalioth> LjL: no habla esta idioma
[06:31] <LjL> :P
[06:31] <etam> hi, please help me
[06:32] <etam> i have a problem with installation
[06:32] <etam> the question about adding user and password is repeating
[06:32] <LjL> nalioth: it just lists the "Depends:" line of a package, removes the commas between packages, and feeds it all to apt-get remove :)
[06:33] <Flosoft> ok ... I get alot of errors
[06:33] <nalioth> LjL: cool :)
[06:33] <Flosoft> arts crashes ...
[06:33] <Flosoft> and then it says: /dev/dsp Permission Denied
[06:33] <etam> who can help me with installation? i think there is a bug
[06:34] <nalioth> etam: if you tell us what happened, we can help you more effectively
[06:34] <etam> when there is a question about user name and passowrd
[06:35] <etam> nalioth: when i write sth and do next it is repeating this 3 steps over and over again
[06:35] <nalioth> etam: did you burn the install disk or get it in the mail?
[06:35] <LeeJunFan> Flosoft: do you have arts configured to use alsa?
[06:35] <etam> nalioth: burn
[06:36] <nalioth> etam: did you verify your iso image when you got it?
[06:36] <nalioth> ubotu: tell etam about verify
[06:37] <etam> nalioth: yes i did it
[06:37] <Flosoft> LeeJunFan: Now every sound app crashes :s ... on the second account
[06:37] <etam> nalioth: and it was fine
[06:37] <nalioth> etam: did you check the cd after you burned it? and did you burn it on the slowest speed?
[06:37] <LeeJunFan> Flosoft: you logged in on both on one machine?
[06:38] <etam> nalioth: i will burn it once more, i did it in 16x speed
[06:38] <LeeJunFan> Flosoft: make sure you don't have a running artsd owned by the first user you logged in as, that would be why your second user can't get /dev/dsp because the first one already claimed it.
[06:38] <nalioth> etam: oh yes, that may be the problem. burn it much more slowly
[06:38] <Flosoft> LeeJunFan: ow ok ...
[06:38] <etam> nalioth: why is it so?
[06:39] <etam> nalioth: is this problem only with kubuntu?
[06:39] <nalioth> etam: it is a known quirk of all the ubuntu versions. they dont seem to like being burnt at high speeds
[06:40] <LeeJunFan> nalioth: explain why...
[06:40] <LeeJunFan> :)
[06:40] <etam> nalioth: LeeJunFan - if You can ;)
[06:40] <LeeJunFan> etam: it's the ubuntu triangle.
[06:42] <nalioth> i cant explain it, i just have seen this problem since warty warthog
[06:43] <LjL> the mysteries of computing...
[06:43] <etam> my nero cant burn with 1x speed :)
[06:43] <djk_> how do i disable the synchronizing clock with ntp.ubuntu.... at bootup ?
[06:43] <Myk3> what is the terminal command to change the ip to dhcp instead of static?
[06:43] <LjL> djk_: why do you want to? (as for the answer, let me look)
[06:43] <brodel> I installed kubuntu  a little while ago (had ubuntu on it running fine) but now when I stick my USB drive in my laptop it comes up and says "An error occurred while loading media:/sda1: The file or folder media:/sda1 does not exist."
[06:44] <djk_> nalioth: doesn't that "problem" rathe concern the capabilities of the used burners? i've always used 52x and no probs with the cds
[06:44] <djk_> LjL: because the laptop doesn't have inet access -- thus unnecessary
[06:44] <Myk3> im useing kubuntu and when i goto the control center i cant go into admin mode
[06:44] <LjL> djk_: well, i think that job is done by ntpdate, so aptitude remove ntpdate.
[06:44] <djk_> LjL: i know there's a wiki entry for that, i've seen it, but can't find it
[06:45] <LjL> djk_: or maybe ntpd, in which case aptitude remove ntpd. or just do both, they're both NTP related anyway :)
[06:45] <Flosoft> What is the best KDE IRC Client?
[06:45] <Myk3> it just says loading
[06:45] <djk_> Konqueror Flosoft
[06:45] <Myk3> xchat
[06:45] <Flosoft> ???
[06:45] <LjL> Flosoft: the two most used ones are Konversation and Ksirc, i think
[06:46] <LjL> Myk3: X-Chat isn't quite KDE
[06:46] <djk_> eh, yea, konversation..damn brain..
[06:46] <l3m> Flosoft: Konversation
[06:46] <Myk3> but it works
[06:46] <LjL> ah-ehm
[06:46] <LjL> yeah it works ;)
[06:46] <brodel> haha
[06:46] <nalioth> djk_: dunno what it is, i just know that burning them at the slowest speed seems to work better
[06:46] <Flosoft> ok ... brb
[06:47] <brodel> LjL: any ideas on my newest little issue? :)
[06:47] <nalioth> kvirc rulez them all
[06:47] <LjL> brodel: no, it works for me...
[06:47] <flosoft> hey again
[06:48] <LjL> brodel: does /media/usbX exist? tho i don't really think it's related
[06:48] <brodel> uh oh then
[06:48] <flosoft> what about KVIRC?
[06:48] <djk_> nalioth: it's a tricky thing. if you burn at a very slow speed with a highspeed cd burner it may kill the cd layer because the laser stays on the same spot for too long..
[06:48] <flosoft> that was my favourite under SuSE
[06:48] <brodel> hey /media/usbdisk is!
[06:48] <LjL> flosoft: well, i haven't used it, but it's there in ubuntu
[06:48] <brodel> and that's all my stuff
[06:49] <brodel> I wonder what is making that other box pop up :\
[06:49] <flosoft> but an old one
[06:49] <LjL> brodel: you know what? i *don't* have /media/usbdisk :) i have /media/usb0 and usb1
[06:49] <flosoft> 2 not 3
[06:49] <LjL> flosoft: maybe dapper has 3
[06:49] <flosoft> dapper?
[06:50] <djk_> which packages do i have to download and burn on a cd to install xfce on a laptop without inet access? --currently installing kubuntu on it.
[06:51] <Myk3> when i goto the control center in kubuntu i cant g into admin monde
[06:51] <LjL> flosoft: the new development version of Ubuntu. if it's in dapper, you can do a backports request
[06:52] <flosoft> backports?
[06:52] <Myk3> can some one help me
[06:52] <djk_> Myk3: read the /topic
[06:52] <LjL> flosoft: backports is the repository where Dapper applications get, well, backported to Breezy, so that you can have newer versions without waiting for when Dapper is released
[06:52] <Myk3> i dont get it
[06:52] <Myk3> admin mode fix?
[06:53] <Myk3> so i need to update first
[06:53] <peppe> c6
[06:53] <LjL> flosoft: no, it doesn't seem to be in dapper. i think it still has version 2, strange. anyway, here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22375&highlight=kvirc is a thread about installing it
[06:53] <djk_> peppe: e5
[06:53] <djk_> peppe: e4*
[06:53] <Myk3> what is the command to change the ip to a dhcp addy in the term?
[06:54] <Myk3> ifconfig eth0?
[06:54] <Myk3> then what
[06:54] <LjL> flosoft: http://kvirc.net/?id=releases&platform=unix&version=3.2.0&group=debian
[06:54] <LjL> flosoft: might work, might not
[06:55] <Myk3> anyone
[06:55] <Myk3> ???
[06:55] <LeeJunFan> Myk3: dhclient eth0
[07:01] <Myk3> isnt working
[07:02] <douglas> Is anyone else experiencing a bug where you can't modify the menu with the menu editor, even if you go in and make changes and click save, it doesn't change?
[07:05] <robotgeek> douglas:  it's listed on the kubuntu site, i heard ppl talking abt it in here
[07:08] <Myk3> what file contains the dns ?
[07:10] <l3m>       /etc/resolv.conf
[07:11] <flosoft> LjL: it doesn't :s
[07:12] <flosoft> Riddell: So when do u think ur gonna add the download mirrors?
[07:12] <LjL> flosoft: :(
[07:12] <nalioth> Riddell: howdy, i made it through
[07:12] <LjL> what download mirrors?
[07:12] <LjL> nalioth: you've upgraded to... what?
[07:12] <douglas> robotgeek: Where is it listed, I can't find it in the known problems?
[07:13] <robotgeek> douglas: someone was talking about it, i am not sure. i don't use kde as such. sorry
[07:13] <douglas> it's cool.
[07:13] <nalioth> LjL: i moved my last machine from hoary to breezy
[07:14] <LjL> oic
[07:15] <NoTech> kkathman hi
[07:15] <Riddell> flosoft: added, thanks
[07:16] <Riddell> flosoft: you should add the MD5SUM files too
[07:16] <Tm_T> hmm, nice blue colour there ;)
[07:16] <NoTech> kkathman someone told me you can help me
[07:16] <nalioth> kkathman: we've been waiting you, professor
[07:16] <Riddell> flosoft: and settings up a torrent would be uber cool as I say :)
[07:16] <nalioth> NoTech: watch the colors please
[07:16] <NoTech> :)
[07:16] <Tm_T> kkathman: o7
[07:16] <NoTech> what colors?
[07:16] <kkathman> hey Tm_T :)
[07:16] <_andrea> hi people
[07:17] <nalioth> NoTech: your client is sending colored text to the channel
[07:17] <NoTech> sorry,i am using Invision Mirc,will try to remove colors,any ideas?
[07:18] <NoTech> better now?
[07:18] <brodel> yes
[07:18] <robotgeek> phew, i tht it was the changes i made to screen.
[07:18] <NoTech> :)
[07:18] <NoTech> sry
[07:19] <gupta> Is there any way to get  rid of sudo and yet retain my home directory?
[07:19] <NoTech> i have installed kubuntu 5.10 now when i go to system configuration,and example bluetooth i can't modify nothing
[07:20] <NoTech> i presume i need to click on administrative privileges or something like that
[07:20] <NoTech> and it asks me a password,i write my psw and then it returns to the previous menu,but again i cant modify nothing
[07:20] <NoTech> any ideas?
[07:20] <nalioth> NoTech: he left
[07:20] <NoTech> :/
[07:20] <nalioth> NoTech: he'll be back
[07:21] <NoTech> maybe he is busy
[07:21] <NoTech> kkathman sry can u help me please?
[07:23] <Tm_T> NoTech: why you are using colours
[07:23] <etam> nalioth: i have burned it with 4X and there is the same problem :(, how can i check if the burned cd is ok?
[07:23] <NoTech> again? i tryed to remove them..
[07:23] <spity> hello
[07:25] <NoTech> Tm_T any ideas how i can remove colors? i don't see any when i type,sry
[07:25] <nalioth> etam: are you on linux or windows?
[07:25] <gupta> Anybody, is there a way to avoid using sudo without loggin in as root?
[07:25] <gupta> Y/N
[07:26] <Tm_T> NoTech: what client you're using? and don't answer directly to me
[07:26] <etam> nalioth: windows
[07:26] <NoTech> Mirc invision
[07:26] <Tm_T> aha
[07:26] <djk_> which packages do i have to download and burn on a cd to install xfce on a laptop without inet access? --currently installing kubuntu on it.
[07:26] <Tm_T> why
[07:27] <Tm_T> why mirc
[07:27] <Tm_T> oh why oh why :/
[07:27] <nalioth> etam: i dont know how to check in a cd in windows, however you can choose "expert install" and from there choose 'verify cd"
[07:27] <NoTech> cz i like it :)
[07:27] <etam> nalioth: ok, thanks
[07:27] <Tm_T> NoTech: I hate it already
[07:28] <djk_> mirc is like a hooker.. nice for the moment - but never a lasting friendship...
[07:29] <NoTech> didnt know to make u problems guyz! and don't answer directly to me
[07:29] <Tm_T> NoTech: haha, I said so because you use colours when answering directly
[07:29] <NoTech> k :)
[07:30] <NoTech> see u later guys
[07:35] <gupta> HOw should i add a user to the "root group"
[07:40] <robotgeek> gupta: why would you want to do that?
[07:40] <kkathman> gupta: man useradd
[07:40] <kkathman> and read it :)
[07:41] <manveru> seems like he readed it, understood it and made a gentle rm -rf /
[07:42] <kkathman> manveru: thats not funny :)
[07:42] <kkathman> newbies might type what you tell them
[07:42] <kkathman> then they get all upset yanno :)
[07:46] <djk_> kkathman: oh well, he still has /home with that command ;)
[07:46] <kkathman> kik
[07:46] <kkathman> lol
[07:48] <djk_> sooooo. kubuntu is installed.. now which packages do i need to download and burn on a cd to install xfce on a laptop without internet access?
[07:48] <djk_> anyone? anyone at all? ;)
[07:49] <oracel> :s
[07:50] <etam> nalioth: the cd is valid :|
[07:50] <nalioth> etam: then i'm lost, friend
[07:51] <etam> nalioth: have You got any other ideas? i can tell You that once the installation was ok, maybe some settings are wrong? maybe my laptop have sth specific?
[07:51] <etam> nalioth: ok, thank you very much for Your time
[07:53] <nalioth> etam: did your box install all the way or hang on the name and password fields?
[07:53] <etam> nalioth: all the way? what do You mean? iam not good at english as you
[07:54] <nalioth> etam: was your install successful? or did it stop during the install?
[07:55] <etam> nalioth: once it was all ok, everything! but all other tries was stopped by name and password fields
[07:55] <etam> nalioth: maybe i can set this step by the console?
[07:55] <nalioth> etam: can you log in from a console?
[07:55] <djk_> will OOo2 load faster with XFCE instead of KDE ?
[07:56] <etam> nalioth: hmmm, i cant beacause the system isnt installed
[07:56] <etam> nalioth: i did it in the console which i could choose from the installation menu
[07:56] <nalioth> etam: have you been to #ubuntu-pl  ?
[07:57] <etam> nalioth: i will go there, thanks
[07:57] <nalioth> etam: you may have better help there (you may not)
[07:57] <brodel> I figured I'd try amarok since someone here earlier thought it was so great.. it won't play my MP3s.. so
[07:58] <etam> nalioth: there is no such channel :(
[07:58] <nalioth> or there is nobody in it
[07:58] <brodel> no one is there. I just went
[07:58] <etam> nalioth: now i am there ;)
[07:59] <nalioth> etam: good! are there people?
[08:00] <etam> nalioth: only me
[08:01] <nalioth> etam: try burning the iso again at the slowest speed you can
[08:01] <flosoft> Riddel: Why doesn't PM work?
[08:02] <hussam> flosoft: you need to register you nick to send a PM
[08:02] <etam> nalioth: the slowest is 4x :/
[08:02] <etam> nalioth: download any other cdburning soft and try again?
[08:03] <flosoft> hussam: how?
[08:04] <robotgeek> brodel: it doesn't play your mp3's. not good. try installing the package amarok-engines
[08:04] <nalioth> etam: did you burn it at 4x the first time?
[08:06] <hussam> flosoft: I don't remember much, I think /msg Nickserv <emailaddress> <password>
[08:06] <etam> nalioth: nope, i did it in 16, one hour ago a did it in 4x and it was the same error
[08:06] <hussam> flosoft: sorry /msg Nickserv REGISTER <emailaddress> <password>
[08:06] <nalioth> etam: do you have another cd drive?
[08:07] <aljosa> who is default user for postgres 8.0 installation on ubuntu?
[08:07] <etam> nalioth: no, i dont, this is laptop, i have only another cdrw devices, i tried them both :|
[08:08] <etam> nalioth: is there any net instalation possible?
[08:08] <nalioth> etam: this is from a usb cd drive?
[08:09] <etam> nalioth: no, this is normal cd drive
[08:10] <nalioth> etam: you mentioned "other cdrw devices"
[08:10] <brodel> bah amarok is weird
[08:11] <etam> nalioth: i mean burners in my desktop pc, on the desktop pc the installation was without that error
[08:11] <nalioth> etam: is the laptop old?
[08:11] <brodel> what engine should I be using?
[08:11] <NoTech> kkathman hi :)
[08:11] <brodel> Nooo
[08:11] <brodel> NoTech: colors are back
[08:12] <NoTech> :) dunno how to remove them,sry
[08:12] <brodel> oh.. it was just nick autocomplete I guess
[08:12] <manveru> NoTech: what client?
[08:12] <NoTech> next time will use another client
[08:12] <{slacky}> hello Riddell
[08:12] <brodel> he's using mirc with the invision script
[08:12] <NoTech> invision mirc
[08:12] <etam> nalioth: nope, it is from september 2005
[08:12] <manveru> NoTech: uh... oh... argh! :)
[08:12] <brodel> hehe
[08:12] <NoTech> and why it is so a problem???
[08:13] <nalioth> etam: i'm lost at this point. perhaps burn it to another brand of media? (keep is slow, tho)
[08:13] <manveru> you destroy my decent colors ^^
[08:13] <NoTech> is kkathman again away? :/
[08:14] <etam> nalioth: ok, i will, thanks for your time once more
[08:14] <brodel> ok, I'm about fed up with amarok
[08:15] <aljosa> is there anybody here who uses postgres on ubuntu?
[08:16] <nalioth> etam: i'll be here, if you have other questions
[08:16] <a1exmr> helo! have any guide as ubuntuguide.org exclusive for kde (kubuntu 5.10) ?
[08:17] <a1exmr> algum brasileiro aqui ?
[08:17] <brodel> what?
[08:20] <a1exmr> sorry, have any guide as ubuntuguide.org exclusive for kde (kubuntu 5.10) ?
[08:20] <brodel> I don't think so but I'm a n00b
[08:22] <nalioth> ubuntulog: tell a1exmr about ubuntuguide
[08:22] <nalioth> !ubuntuguide
[08:22] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is, like, out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide is the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[08:22] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell zoexii about pastebin
[08:23] <nalioth> a1exmr: see what ubotu wrote about ubuntuguide
[08:23] <brodel> it's out of date..?!
[08:28] <jkeck> -j #ubuntu
[08:29] <darksoul> hey, when i upgraded to breezy, i noticed some new media players, but when i reinstalled with the cd, there not there, how do i get them?
[08:32] <brodel> do you know what they were?
[08:40] <Lord_Athur> hi! is there anyone with time for help to other one about something without relation to linux or kubuntu???
[08:40] <Lord_Athur> :D
[08:41] <brodel> what?
[08:41] <Lord_Athur> jejeje
[08:42] <Lord_Athur> I'm spanish and I don't speak English very well :P
[08:43] <Lord_Athur> :P
[08:53] <Riddell> Lord_Athur: /join #kubuntu-es
[08:53] <Lord_Athur> thanks Riddell
[08:53] <Lord_Athur> :P
[09:03] <_arafat> is there a repository with qt 4.0.1 binaries for kubuntu (i've just found 4.0.0)?
[09:06] <treefrog> Hi guys.. can anyone help with wireless card setup.. it sems to be installed but still not connecting!!
[09:08] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: if you run iwconfig from a shell you see the device info?
[09:11] <treefrog> humm. it is on the laptop and I'm on the desktop in konversation.. so I cant cut and past the result.. but it says ESSID:off/any
[09:11] <LeeJunFan> okay, what does it say for mode?
[09:12] <treefrog> managed
[09:12] <treefrog> and access point 00 00
[09:12] <LeeJunFan> hehe, I was just about to ask that.
[09:12] <treefrog> sorry lots of 00
[09:12] <LeeJunFan> right, which means it's not associated. like you said.
[09:13] <LeeJunFan> what about enc? and do you have WEP on your network
[09:13] <_pvh> treefrog: Try doing a "sudo dhclient eth1"
[09:13] <_pvh> treefrog: I had a similar problem.
[09:13] <treefrog> did I say that.. sorry I'm still getting to grips with it all. No wep or other security set up.. thought it wold be better if it was all off
[09:14] <treefrog> should that be wlan0 not eth1?
[09:14] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: np, i was just saying that your assertion that it wasn't associating was correct.
[09:14] <_pvh> treefrog: It may be for your configuration, yes
[09:14] <treefrog> lol
[09:14] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: dev name really doesn't matter, some drivers name them differently.
[09:16] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: the wireless card won't associate unless the device is activated, so like _pvh said, try sudo dhclient eth1 - if you have dhcp on your network.
[09:16] <LeeJunFan> err, wlan0
[09:16] <treefrog> did that..
[09:16] <treefrog> listening on LPF
[09:16] <LeeJunFan> now does iwconfig show you a mac addr by access point?
[09:17] <treefrog> listening on LPF/wlan0/00:11:50 and so on
[09:17] <_pvh> My card always says "NOT READY!!!" or something to that effect before I prod it.
[09:17] <LeeJunFan> ah, still waiting. Sounds like it's not talking.
[09:17] <_pvh> iwlist scan is helpful too.
[09:17] <treefrog> looks like a mac add
[09:17] <_pvh> Does "iwlist scan" show you any access points?
[09:18] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: you got a real mac addy nex to access point now?
[09:18] <LeeJunFan> nevermind, you mean in the dhclient script output.
[09:18] <treefrog> iwconfig still got 00 00 00 00 00
[09:19] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: integrated wireless?
[09:19] <treefrog> no Broadcom thing in a belkin pcmcia card
[09:20] <treefrog> followed a broadcom install allthe way .. seems to ok except.. not
[09:21] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: using ndiswrapper?
[09:22] <treefrog> it was ubuntu HOW TO:  config wireless cards with broadcom chipset.. yup with ndiswrapper
[09:23] <treefrog> light gos on after boot. and it is listed as active or enabled in the sys settings
[09:23] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: I'm afraid I don't have any ndiswrapper experience and I'm beginning to think that's the basis of the problem.
[09:23] <treefrog> humm
[09:24] <treefrog> is there another way to install a driver
[09:24] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: if it's got a native linux driver available that's the best way. like with my card I use madwifi drivers on one, and hostap drivers on the other.
[09:25] <treefrog> no Broad com are not good for linux drivers. or so it seems..
[09:25] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: I think it's safe to say neither of those will work for your card though or you wouldn't have needed ndiswrapper, ubuntu comes with both madwifi and hostap already.
[09:27] <treefrog> ok thanks for the time on it..
[09:28] <CellarDoor> hi all
[09:29] <CellarDoor> I'm just wondering about something. Its not that important but In kubuntu the trashcan is on the panel, which I quite like usually but I was wondering how one 'detatches' it and gets a trashcan back on the desktop ?
[09:30] <manveru> you can add a trashcan to your desktop
[09:30] <CellarDoor> oh
[09:30] <manveru> i would just drag&drop the one from the system-config menu
[09:31] <manveru> since the trashcan in kicker is an applet and you can not drag it for that reason
[09:31] <CellarDoor> ah rite
[09:32] <treefrog> join #kubuntu laptop
[09:32] <treefrog> oops
[09:33] <manveru>  /join #kubuntu-laptop is better :)
[09:33] <treefrog> thanks
[09:36] <RobertKnight> Hi - Does anyone know if future releases of Kubuntu are likely to have MPlayer included by default
[09:36] <manveru> very unlikely
[09:36] <CellarDoor> its not a kde app
[09:36] <RobertKnight> But KMPlayer is
[09:37] <CellarDoor> aah... I should apt-get install that and have a look
[09:37] <manveru> it is not in the debian-philosophy to provide packages wich use unfree libs
[09:37] <CellarDoor> manveru: I don't seem to be able to drag and drop the trashcan onto the desktop as it says its already there
[09:37] <Blissex> RobertKnight: it is very unlikely in part because MPlayer is a complicated beast, there is a ready-made KDE alternative, and as <manveru> says most people that want MPlayer want it because of the unfree libs.
[09:38] <RobertKnight> All I am interested in is being able to play RealPlayer, WMV, QuickTime etc. audio and video files from the web
[09:38] <CellarDoor> I've always found mplayer to be a real pain
[09:38] <manveru> CellarDoor: i see...
[09:38] <RobertKnight> It doesn't have to involve KMPlayer (which uses MPlayer), but that is the best and easiest solution that I have found.
[09:38] <rikva> RobertKnight: did you try vlc?
[09:39] <RobertKnight> No, does that integrate with Konqueror?
[09:39] <etam> nalioth: i have found the solution, if You are interested
[09:39] <nalioth> etam: yes please
[09:39] <rikva> RobertKnight: no it doesn't. it does in firefox
[09:39] <etam> nalioth: i was trying to mount /home as a fat32 partition :| without it it is all ok
[09:40] <RobertKnight> That isn't very useful for Kubuntu then, since Konqueror is the default web browser.
[09:40] <etam> nalioth: have you got any clue why?
[09:40] <nalioth> etam: that would definitely be the reason why. linux doesnt like fat32 filesystems for its home
[09:40] <CellarDoor> manveru: I'm hoping to find an option somewhere along the lines of "show trashcan" :P
[09:40] <etam> nalioth: :)
[09:40] <nalioth> etam: glad you got it fixed.
[09:40] <etam> nalioth: thanks for your help, really
[09:41] <manveru> CellarDoor: i just search for something...
[09:41] <nalioth> etam: np, drop in here or #kubuntu-offtopic anytime
[09:41] <RobertKnight> KMPlayer integrates nicely with Konqueror, and allows me to view video streams from bbc.co.uk, cnn etc.  Kubuntu seems to have very poor multimedia support by default.  I would really like to see this changed.  I realise that non-free Win32 binaries have to be included with the MPlayer libs, but this is not really an issue since, as I understand it, the MPlayer code itself is free and open.
[09:41] <CellarDoor> manveru: thanks, I'm trying to figure it out here too
[09:41] <etam> nalioth: thanks, bye, i have to configure it now :)
[09:42] <etam> nalioth:  at last :)))
[09:43] <CellarDoor> trashcan is in my "Desktop" directory, but not visible on the desktop...
[09:44] <treefrog> anyone have ane experence with sound on a laptop.. It all works amarok or mplayer but there is a strange gravel sound on all audio played..
[09:44] <manveru> treefrog: this can be due to powersave-mode
[09:45] <manveru> CellarDoor: it's odd, i just can't finde anything
[09:45] <CellarDoor> manveru: me neither :P
[09:46] <treefrog> manveru:  humm.. it is all turned off .. the battery is not so good so I turned it off. it should be off for best results right?
[09:47] <manveru> treefrog: i had the same problems, but i was using artsd wich has some really odd behaviours
[09:48] <Knowerrors> anybody else here having problems accessing usb cameras in breezy?
[09:50] <CellarDoor> manveru: hmm it just wont show the trashcan on the desktop
[09:50] <brodel> When I try to use Krdc it lets me enter in the info, but when I click ok at the prefrences screen it crashes and says "Could not start rdesktop; make sure rdesktop is properly installed."
[09:57] <treefrog> join#kubuntu laptop
[09:57] <treefrog> oops again.. lol
[10:01] <treefrog> it is strange I have a headset plugged into the laptop. and when I use the mouse I can hear more crackeling. like it is getting intreference from the memory or something!! anyideas
[10:02] <v-dogg> is there a shorcut to show desktop?
[10:02] <treefrog> v-dogg: like a minimist all thing?
[10:03] <v-dogg> yep
[10:04] <brodel> ctrl alt D
[10:05] <v-dogg> splendid, thanks
[10:05] <treefrog> deadly
[10:05] <brodel> np
[10:07] <_osh> so, now I've removed kaffeine since it wouldn't play anyting (vob, mpg, avi). what should I install and where would I find it? Neither videolan nor mplayer are in the repos.
[10:08] <treefrog> _osh: have you got the codecs installed?
[10:08] <_osh> treefrog: yep, found the w32codecs here: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/breezy-seveas/breezy-extras/
[10:09] <_osh> treefrog: I assume it's them you're talking about.
[10:09] <treefrog> try this too. I dont know your links.. I'll have to look see now https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:11] <_osh> treefrog: splendid. exactly the kind of link I was looking for. Now I might actually be able to get kubuntu to work for me. Thanks a whole lot. =)
[10:11] <treefrog> np it is what that link did for me.. :-)
[10:12] <treefrog> book mark it and then inscribe it on your desk
[10:12] <treefrog> lol
[10:12] <_osh> Will do. And it should probably be in /topic or some such too. The faq referred to there is for 5.04 which is slightly outdated...
[10:14] <`Nomad> Hi all,  I have an issue where my computer always shuts down when I select restart/reboot.  I have other OSes on here and never have that problem there.. Where can I look for a faulty setting, inittab seems fine..
[10:15] <treefrog> ya but that is the way the cooky crumbles. it is like that because I guess.. it is not part of the official ubuntu/kubuntu thing.. it being caught in licencing isues and all
[10:15] <_osh> `Nomad: I have the same issue. Haven't solved it yet.
[10:17] <_osh> treefrog: I was quite frustrated a few days ago when trying to play media and I couldn't find any help anywhere. Imho a "User friendly distribution" should play most media out of the box, or atleast tell how to enable it. But that's just me.
[10:17] <treefrog> _osh: must be something to do with integration with your hardware.. some parts are not being picked p propperly I guess
[10:18] <treefrog> _osh: userfrendly.. horses for courses.
[10:18] <treefrog> it is true it is not ready for grandma to use yet
[10:18] <djk_pr0ning> _osh: hardly any distro comes with mp3 support out of the box
[10:19] <treefrog> and I wold like to get her to use it.. she is quite bright
[10:19] <treefrog> licencing issue
[10:19] <treefrog> every player that is shiped must pay a licence fee of 70cent or something
[10:20] <_osh> treefrog: Might be my hardware but I don't think so. Mandriva, gentoo and Fedora worked quite nicely. They all had some quirks so kubuntu here I come... =)
[10:20] <djk_> _osh: since you've had fedora.. did you have mp3 support by default? ;)
[10:21] <_osh> djk_: No, but I think both gentoo and mandriva did.
[10:21] <treefrog> no I dont expect it is hardware.. it is ubuntu not picking up your hardware correct.. you are using a shipset that is not .. recognised fully yet.. I expect that is the case anyway..
[10:21] <nalioth> djk_: fedora has never had mp3 support ootb
[10:22] <_osh> treefrog: it's a dell lattitude so it's not really arcane hardware. but It might be that. Thanks for your attention, you've been most helpful.
[10:22] <`Nomad> _osh: thanks, good to know
[10:23] <manveru> _osh: most likely mandriva has, since it is the most newbie-friendly distro i every met
[10:25] <treefrog> _osh:  doa search for your DELL model and see if there is anyong on it with Ubuntu.. one thing I have found is that the guys here write everying down..
[10:25] <_osh> treefrog: :-)
[10:26] <treefrog> manveru:  ur sound problem.. did you hear sound noise when you moved the mouse?
[10:28] <djk_> nalioth: i know.. it was a rethorical question since _osh complained about kubuntu not having mp3 support ootb ;)
[10:28] <nalioth> djk_: sorry, scanning several channels, assimiliating few :0
[10:29] <brodel> I can't play MP3s from a smb share on my windows machine? When I click open it copies it locally and then plays it.. why can't it just play?
[10:31] <djk_> nalioth: hehe, having fun?
[10:32] <nalioth> djk_: sure am
[10:33] <djk_> mmh what's the command to reconfigure x. i can't remember it entirely..
[10:35] <nalioth> !xcfg
[10:35] <ubotu> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:36] <djk_> ah, thanks :) had xserver and xorg switched
[10:38] <`Nomad> Could anyone share the URL for that page that gives you a source-list for apt-get?
[10:38] <djk_> !sources
[10:38] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[10:38] <djk_> there you go
[10:38] <`Nomad> thanks.. :)
[10:38] <[Surge] > I see the kernel in Breezy is 2.6.12 but the kernel headers are 2.6.11. Is that normal?
[10:38] <djk_> you're welcome :)
[10:38] <nalioth> !botsnack
[10:38] <ubotu> thanks nalioth :)
[10:38] <`Nomad> I should hav etried that but my keywords usually bounce.. ;)
[10:41] <spiral> hello guys
[10:41] <[Surge] > Oh nevermind I'll upgrade the kernel anyway. :)
[10:42] <spiral> as I didn't find anything new in the kde 3.5rc1 repo, I'm asking again...
[10:42] <[Surge] > The dist-upgrade was cool - it almost worked without problems.
[10:42] <spiral> does anyone know if the other software are going to be packaged and if it will be during the end of this week-end or later ?
[10:42] <djk_> mmh, i'm not quite sure if this laptops card can handle 1024x768 but i'm pretty sure that things weren't as big in win 98 as they are now with 800x600.. should i just go with 1024x768 ?
[10:43] <nalioth> spiral: ridde11 is working very hard to package more things
[10:44] <nalioth> spiral: ridde11 also has to fix bugs
[10:44] <_StarScream> djk_: you could always reduce your font size ?
[10:44] <_StarScream> and use a smaller widget theme
[10:44] <`Nomad> I get that this line is wrong from the source-o-matuc..
[10:44] <`Nomad> # OpenOffice.org 2 final packages (packages)
[10:44] <`Nomad> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/OOo2/
[10:44] <spiral> nalioth: all right, thanks for the informations... As long as there's hope to have the packages released.. ;-)
[10:45] <djk_> `Nomad: don't use the OOo2 line
[10:45] <`Nomad> ok
[10:45] <djk_> `Nomad: put a # in front of it, it's not working yet it seems
[10:45] <Delvien> Anyone know how i remove the ipw2200 i installed, and it doesnt work
[10:46] <djk_> _StarScream: where do i select a smaller widget theme? i'm not used to 12'' screens..
[10:47] <`Nomad> darn.. I was hoping it would resolve my issue with the plf repo. not being available.. I'm stuck with a wrong version libdvdcss after following the FAQ instructions.   Oh well, no emergengy I guess
[10:47] <_StarScream> djk_: erm...kcontrol or what ever the equiv is in kubuntu (not infront of my kubuntu machine atm)
[10:48] <`Nomad> antesis.freecontrib.org  is down it seems.. Is there a list of alternative plf sites?
[10:48] <`Nomad> !plf
[10:48] <ubotu> `Nomad: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[10:49] <nalioth> `Nomad: they are on scheduled down time. they'll be back
[10:50] <`Nomad> ok doke
[10:50] <djk_> _StarScream: mmh, and where exactly? appearance?
[10:50] <_StarScream> djk_: well yeh, kubuntu changes it around a bit, in slackware its under style in Apearance and Themes
[10:53] <djk_> _StarScream: ah i know now where and what you mean..well, i could change that but that doesn't change the size of windows it seems...
[10:54] <_StarScream> hmm, it does for me to some extent, depending on the theme and also the size of the font.
[10:56] <fatejudger> is there a way to play m4v files in Kaffeine?
[10:56] <crimsun> install libfaad2-0
[10:56] <crimsun> (multiverse)
[10:56] <crimsun> actually you'lle need gstreamer0.8-faad
[10:56] <crimsun> -e
[10:57] <crimsun> (unless you're using kaffeine-xine)
[10:57] <fatejudger> ugh, gstreamer
[10:57] <nalioth> fatejudger: what is a m4v?
[10:57] <fatejudger> I can't get anything to play in that
[10:57] <nalioth> fatejudger: i know what a mp4 and  a m4a and a m4p are
[10:57] <fatejudger> I switched back to xine about a week ago
[10:57] <fatejudger> nalioth: I think it might be an iPod Video filetype
[10:58] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: yeah, I've always been a xine user, I tried gstreamer twice and both times it just sucked.
[10:58] <nalioth> fatejudger: libfaac and libfaad and gstreamer0.8-faac and -faad should play it if it's not encrypted
[10:58] <djk_> which packages do i need to download (as deb) so i can burn them and install xfce4 on this laptop? -- no inet access with it
[10:58] <fatejudger> nalioth: do I need all 3 of those packages to play it in gstreamer?
[10:59] <nalioth> probably just the gstreamer ones, fatejudger
[10:59] <nalioth> fatejudger: IF it's not an encrypted file
[10:59] <seth_k> djk_, sudo apt-get install -s xubuntu-desktop will tell you :)
[10:59] <fatejudger> what is up with gstreamer anyway, it doesn't seem like it plays many file formats as compared to xine
[10:59] <fatejudger> and always seems to have errors
[10:59] <seth_k> djk_, notice the -s for simulate
[11:00] <LeeJunFan> djk_: it's tough to say, but can you download one of the DVD iso's and burn it? the DVD has universe on it.
[11:00] <djk_> seth_k: will that also show packages needed i might already have?
[11:01] <seth_k> djk_, if you run it on the laptop, no. Have you ever set up universe on the laptop before?
[11:01] <LeeJunFan> seth_k: I think the point is he's not on that laptop now and he may already have the depencancies installed on his current system.
[11:01] <djk_> seth_k: the laptop does not have inet access
[11:01] <seth_k> at all? ok. I thought it might have had it in the past
[11:01] <seth_k> and no other ubuntu system to run that command on?
[11:01] <djk_> LeeJunFan: exactly, the laptop sits next to me and is being configured :)
[11:01] <djk_> seth_k: well, this one...but as i said, this might have packages already..
[11:02] <LeeJunFan> djk_: plus of course there are a lot of xfce packages to consider.
[11:02] <seth_k> apt-cache depends xfce4 shows the bare minimum xfce installation
[11:03] <seth_k> without regards to what you already have installed
[11:03] <seth_k> use that
[11:03] <LeeJunFan> xfce uses gtk doesn't it? So one would have less to download if started with ubuntu iso probably right?
[11:04] <djk_> LeeJunFan: it took about an hour and 10 mins to install kubuntu on it.. i think downloading a bit more won't take that long ;)
[11:07] <LeeJunFan> you know, that would be a neat tool for someone to work on that would generate a deps list for an apt-get on a fresh CD install of ubuntu/kubuntu.
[11:09] <LeeJunFan> where does dpkg keep it's list of installed packages?
[11:18] <Futal> LeeJunFan: what do you mean, I don't understand what this tool should do?
[11:23] <chaoticgeek> hello all
[11:26] <LeeJunFan> Futal: something that would show dependancies would be required on a base installation.
[11:27] <LeeJunFan> ie djk_ could go to a webpage and type in xfce4 and it would tell him all the packages it would install starting from a fresh installed system.
[11:29] <djk_> yea that would be quite useful
[11:29] <unsurreal> dpkg --get-selections | grep packagename
[11:31] <LeeJunFan> unsurreal: yeah, but that tells you what it is based on your current system with other packages already installed.
[11:32] <LeeJunFan> unsurreal: I mean for use by someone who might be looking to build their own micro repository, they need to know what to download and burn to CD to have to compliment their install CD.
[11:33] <nalioth> LeeJunFan: packages.ubuntu.com has a good list of that sort
[11:33] <Kao|Sleep> LeeJunFan: couldnt you simply copy all the debs that you installed to another directory, make a script to install them all and burn it?
[11:33] <djk_> mmh, is there a way to configure the kde clock in the konsole?
[11:34] <unsurreal> apt-get -s ?
[11:34] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: yeah, but that would be for my system I have now, not necessarily one I would plan on putting together.
[11:34] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: yeah, true...
[11:35] <LeeJunFan> unsurreal: still based on your current running system. If you were working on your testbed at the time that would work, but he's starting from scratch and installing on a system other than the one he's working on.
[11:35] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: what packages are you wanting to include?
[11:36] <LeeJunFan> djk_: want's to have a package list for all deps for xfce4 on a fresh kubuntu install.
[11:36] <Myk3> hey i think there is backports for breezy now
[11:36] <treefrog> LeeJunFan: can I bug you a sec about that wireless thing again..
[11:36] <Myk3> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[11:37] <nalioth> Myk3: there are backports repos now, but they are empty of pkgs atm
[11:38] <Myk3> do u see it?
[11:39] <treefrog> Ok anyone free for me to bug about this wireles card setup?
[11:39] <KaoticEvil> i need to resize /home.. but i cant get logged in  where /home is not busy...
[11:39] <KaoticEvil> if i were to create a new username, and make his home directory /<username> instead of /home/<username>..
[11:39] <KaoticEvil> and then login as that user, would /home still be busy?
[11:39] <KaoticEvil> to where i could unmount it and resize it?
[11:40] <chaoticgeek> I'm having a lil problems with my video.
[11:40] <treefrog> KaoticEvil:  I'm not sure but Y not just log in as root or admin or something!!!
[11:41] <KaoticEvil> treefrog: ive tried that...
[11:41] <chaoticgeek> I boot up to KDE and instead of getting the login, well I get the console.
[11:41] <KaoticEvil> even when i login as root from the console, it still says /home is busy
[11:42] <chaoticgeek> how do I update the video drivers from the command line? I have ati built in to my mother board.
[11:42] <treefrog> KaoticEvil:  would it not let you log i or what? settgin up another user will not change much if root cant do it.
[11:42] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: could you just use the install CD, go into the paritioning and resize from there?
[11:42] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: is that destructive?
[11:43] <treefrog> KaoticEvil:  tht is a good Idea from LeeJunFan. it wont be destructive unless it is a windows partition.
[11:43] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: I honestly don't know about resizing ext3, but I know you can resize fat and ntfs from there non destructive. You just view the parition properties and put a new size in basically.
[11:43] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: hehe. conflicting views.
[11:43] <treefrog> ya
[11:43] <treefrog> cool ha
[11:43] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: I resized my windows w/o losing it on a couple machines.
[11:44] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: but I have never resized a linux partition.
[11:44] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: i was trying to do it without rebooting :P
[11:44] <treefrog> qtparted and tparted all resize linux partitions safe as far as my experence goes
[11:44] <KaoticEvil> treefrog: ive got gparted, but it wont unmount /home
[11:44] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: you have to make sure nothing is using /home, then you can unmount it to do the resizing. check out 'man fuser' and/or 'man lsof' to find what's using /home
[11:45] <kojak> aanyone know what plugins i need to play streming audio?
[11:45] <treefrog> .. home is a partition is it?
[11:45] <KaoticEvil> treefrog: yeah, /dev/hda3
[11:46] <chaoticgeek> ok I think I may have found the drivers on ATI's site
[11:46] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: 'lsof -n | egrep /home | awk '{print $2}' | sort -n | uniq' will give you a list of the pids of all processes using /home
[11:46] <chaoticgeek> I hope that I can run them from the command line to update my drivers
[11:46] <treefrog> now I see.. and root uses /home too.. humm bootable CD is the best way.. what distrows you got that boot. DSL and UBCD are amazing for this sort of stuff.
[11:46] <KaoticEvil> whoa...
[11:47] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: told you I could do anything with bash :)
[11:47] <KaoticEvil> thats one HELLUVA command...
[11:47] <KaoticEvil> lol
[11:47] <treefrog> knopix too.
[11:47] <KaoticEvil> i believed you before :P
[11:47] <LeeJunFan> for x in `lsof -n | egrep /home | awk '{print $2}' | sort -n | uniq` ; do kill $x ; done        ---------- will kill all those processes
[11:48] <KaoticEvil> sheesh
[11:48] <treefrog> ooch.. you know your stuff..
[11:48] <KaoticEvil> ok...
[11:48] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: lemme get a root console login.. and try that again :P
[11:48] <treefrog> he just typed that up out of his head too.. lol
[11:48] <chaoticgeek> wow
[11:48] <chaoticgeek> I wanna be able to do that
[11:48] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan: would my idea work tho? the user creation and all that?
[11:48] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: you may have to use kill -9 for some things that won't die nicely.
[11:49] <LeeJunFan> I didn't catch that.
[11:49] <KaoticEvil> doesnt kill use sigterm ?
[11:49] <KaoticEvil> if i were to create a new username, and make his home directory /<username> instead of /home/<username>..
[11:49] <KaoticEvil> and then login as that user, would /home still be busy?
[11:50] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: it shouln't be.
[11:50] <KaoticEvil> ok
[11:50] <KaoticEvil> i think ill try that first ;) :P
[11:50] <treefrog> LeeJunFan: can I get you to comment on my wireless stuff again?
[11:51] <chaoticgeek> ya...
[11:51] <chaoticgeek> the ati drivers come as a .run package will I run into any big problems if I just go ./<pkgname>.run
[11:51] <chaoticgeek> ?
[11:51] <treefrog> Ok so I looked at this link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto and see the difference wetween that and my result
[11:52] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: I can try.
[11:52] <KaoticEvil> bbl...
[11:52] <LeeJunFan> knowing that much about linux and computers comes at the expense of forgetting to get milk on my 5 min trip to the store - to get milk. hehe
[11:52] <treefrog> my result has signal level -10 dbm and such
[11:52] <treefrog> lol
[11:52] <treefrog> milk
[11:52] <chaoticgeek> ...
[11:53] <treefrog> I have noise level value too.
[11:53] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: that is an aweful signal level.
[11:53] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: noise is probably about -95
[11:53] <treefrog> and link quality is 100/100
[11:53] <LeeJunFan> oh? that doesn't seem right.
[11:54] <treefrog> now it is not any paticular network..
[11:54] <treefrog> the Access Point is still at 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 but so is the result in the link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[11:55] <LeeJunFan> hehe, regina - the city that rhymes with fun.
[11:55] <treefrog> regina!!
[11:55] <treefrog> what you on. !
[11:56] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: I dunno, all my experience with real linux supported cards show the MAC addy of the access point.
[11:56] <treefrog> I C
[11:56] <treefrog> humm
[11:56] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: they just had a commercial for a new movie on, that's what one of the people said when they said they were filming in Regina.
[11:57] <treefrog> strange.. where you at.. like what country
[11:57] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: US.
[11:57] <treefrog> Oh
[11:57] <treefrog> you get odd adds there..
[11:57] <treefrog> lo
[11:57] <LeeJunFan> treefrog: yeah, the name doesn't sound like USA does it? :)
[11:57] <treefrog> you evr seen the european TV
[11:57] <treefrog> it is so different
[11:57] <LeeJunFan> LeeJunFan is Bruce Lee's birth given name.
[11:58] <treefrog> some one is digging. lol
[11:59] <treefrog> Ok I got to go to bed.. it is 11pm.. work and all that.. later guys. enjoy
[11:59] <LeeJunFan> later.
[11:59] <LeeJunFan> I gotta run and pick up my kid from my sister in laws myself.
[12:02] <chaoticgeek> I'm so lost
[12:03] <mae> is there any good _complete_ alternatives to crystal svg?
[12:03] <mae> icons


[09:28] <rmg51> Morning
[12:05] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples and whatever else is around
[13:08] <lazyPower> o/
[21:46] <ChinnoDog> I made Amazon video work full screen with pipelight. Cool.


[02:05] <braiam> --help
[06:46] <dpm> morning all
[07:07] <kelemengabor> dpm: good morning
[07:07] <dpm> hey kelemengabor :)
[07:07] <kelemengabor> I have to note that bug #857136  is pure evil :(
[07:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 857136 in lightdm (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Change password dialog not fully translated (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/857136
[07:08] <dpm> oh, I was just reading it
[07:09] <dpm> I wanted to ping robert_ancell about it, but he doesn't seem to be around
[07:26] <dpm> kelemengabor, so did you install gdm, set it up as default manager and logged in with it, or did you simply install it and logged in with lightdm?
[07:26] <kelemengabor> dpm: the first, I logged it with gdm and the problem was solved
[07:26] <kelemengabor> in
[07:27] <kelemengabor> and set it up as default
[07:27] <dpm> kelemengabor, thanks, let me send an e-mail to robert_ancell
[07:27] <kelemengabor> dpm: one more thing
[07:28] <kelemengabor> if you log in with lightdm and see the untranslated strings, run gnome-keyring-daemon --replace, try again and the strings will appear translated
[07:30] <dpm> kelemengabor, weird. Would you mind adding all this info in the bug? It will make it easier than me forwarding it to Robert
[07:30] <kelemengabor> sure
[07:30] <dpm> thanks :)
[07:31] <kelemengabor> I wrote this to the upstream bug, but forgot to copy
[07:31] <dpm> ah, I see. I read the upstream bug, but only skimmed through the comments
[13:12] <kelemengabor> seems like we are in a pretty bad shape for the "localized install without network connection" use case: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kelemeng/pix/languageselector-updatenotifier.png
[13:16] <iceroot> there is https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/seahorse/+pots/seahorse/de/315/+translate last changed 2008. in 11.10 there is still "delete" instead of "löschen". what is the task that this will goes into the package "seahorse"?
[13:16] <iceroot> or is this a bug in "seahorse" where the menu-item "delete" is not mapped to a po-file (or something like that)
[13:26] <kelemengabor> iceroot: are you sure that this is the occurrence of Delete you see untranslated? not the one in the local and Edit menus, i.e. https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/seahorse/+pots/seahorse/de/477/+translate ? because I know what's going on with this one, only I had no time to file the bug - yet
[13:28] <iceroot> kelemengabor: i am not sure if it is the correct entry but i dont know where to search then for that missing translation in the menu-bar
[13:28] <iceroot> kelemengabor: launchpad says 100% translated for seahorse in 11.10 but that is not correct
[13:28] <kelemengabor> iceroot: the menu entry has a hotkey, it reads _Delete
[13:29] <kelemengabor> iceroot: it isn't, because the context is used in a wrong place
[13:29] <iceroot> kelemengabor: delete doesnt have a hotkey here
[13:29] <kelemengabor> Context:           This text refers to deleting an item from its type's backing store.
[13:29] <kelemengabor> iceroot: not even after pressing Alt ?
[13:30] <iceroot> or better, delete doesnt show a hotkey-combination here only "edit - copy" and "edit - insert" but not "edit - delete"
[13:32] <iceroot> kelemengabor: http://alpha-unix.de/~iceroot/seahorse.jpg
[13:33] <iceroot> this "delete" is not translated into "löschen"
[13:33] <kelemengabor> iceroot: okay, this is the one I know about :)
[13:33] <kelemengabor> it is indeed a bug
[13:33] <iceroot> kelemengabor: ok, i will create a bug then about this issue
[13:34] <kelemengabor> iceroot: it is an upstream one, so please do so in bugzilla.gnome.org
[13:35] <iceroot> kelemengabor: arent bugs from "untouched packages" automaticly goes upstream to the project?
[13:36] <iceroot> kelemengabor: or do you mean with upstream that it is not an ubuntu-bug but a gnome-bug?
[13:36] <kelemengabor> iceroot: I don't think so, usually a human is required to do the upstream forwarding
[13:36] <kelemengabor> it is a gnome bug
[13:37] <iceroot> kelemengabor: thank you for your time, i will create the bug at the gnome-project
[13:37] <kelemengabor> thanks!
[13:38] <kelemengabor> I'm a little busy right now to do it myself :(
[13:39] <iceroot> no problem, i dont have a problem with doing it myself i just was not sure if it is a bug or if i am wrong with the handling of launchpad
[15:22] <artnay> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yelp/+bug/814822 does this happen to you as well? please confirm
[15:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 814822 in yelp (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Desktop Guide is not translated (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[15:36] <dpm> artnay, the docs weren't translated in French. Were they translated in Finnish?
[15:38] <artnay> dpm: 74 percently so far
[15:38] <kelemengabor> artnay: I'm not sure it is the same problem, on Natty, it was highly probable that he meant the whole text, while on your screenshot only the title is not translated (which may be a bug too, but that string was not translated in time to my language)
[15:38] <artnay> gone for a while >
[15:39] <dpm> artnay, I seem to remember that the docs team do not include translations for languages below 80%, so it might be that they did not get built and thus not picked up by the language packs
[15:40] <kelemengabor> dpm: mine is 66% ready, and that part seems to be in place
[15:41] <kelemengabor> dpm: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/ubuntu-docs/+pots/ubuntu-help/fi/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=ubuntu+desktop+guide
[15:41] <kelemengabor> this looks to be translated in time
[15:42] <kelemengabor> but this is a separate issue from the whole thing not being translated
[15:49] <dpm> artnay, have you got the latest language packs? And do you have any files under /usr/share/help-langpack/fi/ubuntu-help?
[16:29] <kelemengabor> iceroot: I have dug out my patch for that seahorse problem, did you manage to file that bug? If so, what's the link? Otherwise, I can go ahead now
[17:43] <iceroot> kelemengabor: i am in one hour at home, atm i only have umts
[17:43] <kelemengabor> iceroot: no problem, I'll do it then
[17:44] <iceroot> kelemengabor: will you append the patch there? then i can create a launchpad-bug and create a debdiff
[17:44] <kelemengabor> sure
[18:28] <trijntje> artnay: translations of the ubuntu help show for dutch(nl) for me
[18:34] <kelemengabor> trijntje: even the document title at the top of the pages? like the one on this picture: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/82548587/Kuvakaappaus%202011-10-11%2018%3A20%3A04.png
[18:35] <kelemengabor> iceroot: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=661481
[18:35] <ubot4> Gnome bug 661481 in general "Delete menu item does not show up translated" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[18:36] <iceroot> kelemengabor: thank you


 After all, you're using windows, how critical could it be?
[12:17] <dickweed> mornin fellas
[12:17] <dickweed> i swear some week i'm going to be able to make it to CHC again
[12:18] <dickweed> isn't someone here somehow involved in the Kivy project?
[12:20] <brousch> I am
[12:20] <dickweed> you know its on the front page of hacker news today?
[12:41] <brousch> I don't read hacker news, but that was mentioned in #kivy
[13:11] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:11] <cmaloney> dickweed: Your bot is AWOL, btw.
[13:11] <cmaloney> and so am I from CHC
[13:13] <dickweed> hmmm
[13:14] <jrwren> cmaloney: i hate it when I forget to change Windows Update to "Only when I say!"
[13:15] <dickweed> .echo test
[13:15] <bookiebot> test
[13:15] <dickweed> there he is
[13:15] <dickweed> when did he die?
[13:17] <cmaloney> Couple days ago
[13:17] <cmaloney> and wasn't sure if 'dickweed' was your moniker. :)
[13:17] <mrgoodcat> oops
[13:17] <cmaloney> np.
[13:18] <mrgoodcat> that's my nick in the WMU computer club IRC
[13:18] <mrgoodcat> one of those immature things you did a long time ago before you thought it would matter and now you can't undo it
[13:20] <cmaloney> heh
[13:30] <brousch> cmaloney undid his old nick
[13:30] <rick_h__> ruh roh
[13:42] <brousch> rick_h__: sup?
[13:42] <rick_h__> party
[16:45] <jrwren> who was asking about SCALE a few days ago. did anyone mention BarcampGR?
[16:58] <brousch> What about barcampgr?
[17:01] <jrwren> someone was looking for conferences in the area.
[17:02] <brousch> ah
[18:54] <cmaloney> feh
[18:55] <rick_h__> meh
[18:59] <jrwren> ugh
[19:13] <greg-g> gah
[19:14] <rick_h__> hah
[19:21] <jrwren> ugh
[19:21] <jrwren> .np evarlast
[19:21] <bookiebot> evarlast's current track - Virgin by Legend on Fearless
[19:21] <jrwren> \m/
[19:30] <cmaloney> Whew.
[19:31] <cmaloney> Copying files over
[19:34] <rick_h__> cmaloney: computer go boom?
[19:34] <cmaloney> Work computer went book.
[19:35] <greg-g> nonfiction or fiction?
[19:35] <rick_h__> 'based on a true story'
[19:36] <rick_h__> or better yet 'inspired by true events'
[19:36] <greg-g> Unsolved Mystery
[19:36] <greg-g> loved that show as a kid :)
[19:36] <rick_h__> 'why did the ram chip decide to kick the bucket, we may never know'
[19:36] <rick_h__> greg-g: out your way in a week
[19:36] <greg-g> cool!
[19:37] <rick_h__> the boy is getting excited about getting on a plane
[19:37] <greg-g> cool!
[19:37] <greg-g> Carrie and Rowan will be in MI from 9/4 to 9/18
[19:38] <greg-g> I'll be here, alone
[19:38] <rick_h__> hah, well get on a plane man
[19:38] <rick_h__> pics and moar pics https://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/sets/72157646076162287/
[19:38] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/fn5U0d - 2014-germany - an album on Flickr
[19:38] <rick_h__> my wife is gaining a new appreciation for when I come back from sprints beat
[19:38] <greg-g> yeah, saw in my flickr app that you uploaded more than 150 pics, I thought "too many, didn't see" ;)
[19:39] <rick_h__> lol
[19:39] <rick_h__> yea, well I was there for 10 days, that's hardly 40 a day :P
[19:39] <greg-g> haha
[19:39] <greg-g> I'll look later :)
[19:39] <rick_h__> https://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/14921621492/in/set-72157646076162287
[19:39] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/je3Nhn - P1050060.jpg | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
[19:39] <rick_h__> hehe
[19:39] <greg-g> preeeeety
[19:40] <rick_h__> yea, sure we'll have a lot more from yosemite in a couple of weeks
[19:46] <greg-g> I've been following this person doing the PCT this year, awesome freaking photos from just her phone
[19:46] <greg-g> carrotquinn is her name, on instagram
[19:47] <rick_h__> nice
[19:48] <rick_h__> I've been jealous of http://just5moreminutes.com/blog/
[19:48] <rick_h__> amazing amount of work goes into those posts
[19:48] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/MGbSB7 - Just 5 More Minutes
[19:50] <rick_h__> man, these shots make me miss backpacking
[19:52] <greg-g> just5moreminutes looks great
[19:52] <greg-g> and yeah, I should do a solo backpacking trip while carrie and rowan are gone
[19:52] <rick_h__> yea, one of my fav airsteam blogs
[20:00] <cmaloney> Bah, and the thing crashed again
[20:02] <brousch> Can we blame Windows?
[20:02] <cmaloney> no, but the video card fan is a brick
[20:03] <cmaloney> so we can start there
[20:06] <greg-g> no built in video on the motherboard?
[20:07] <cmaloney> There is but was easier to get the card replaced.
[20:08]  * greg-g nods