[02:27] <mrblack> is there anywhere on the server where people talk?
[02:27] <rbox> no
[02:29] <mrblack> been a long time using irc and been searching most the servers and cant find nothing really. loved irc 20 years ago, was the goto thing besides msn.
[02:29] <mrblack> recomend anywhere?
[02:32] <mybalzitch> all the scrollers migrated to discord
[02:35] <mrblack> haha scrollers is new term for me, yet to program a bot for discord. so is everyone from a company here?
[02:37] <mrblack> had no idea irc is still going since the ubuntu doc page.
[02:39] <tomreyn> this channel is about ubuntu support (only). there are other channels, try this:
[02:39] <tomreyn> !alis | mrblack
[02:40] <mrblack> thanks tom
[02:40] <mrblack> !alis | mrblack
[03:24] <P1ro> Hey, why systemd watchdog restarting my app even if the app still running ? is there a better option to check if my app is running besides watchdog ?
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> P1ro: we got stacer in the repos an all around tool, with GUI systemd management too if you like
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> !info stacer
[03:28] <morgan-u2> I plugged in a pocket drive and it looks good but I see nothing in files. I dont remember how to check in terminal
[03:28] <morgan-u2> terminator
[03:30] <morgan-u2> I tried df -h (because I remembered the command was in the neighborhood)
[03:31] <P1ro> thanks lotuspsychje, ill check it.
[03:31] <lotuspsychje> welcome
[03:32] <morgan-u2> I got to / (root) so I did ls media but all it gave me was my user name
[03:33] <morgan-u2> The pocket drive has a light on it that flashes about every 3 secs.
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> morgan-u2: journalctl -f and plug in your usb, to see verbose errors on your device, share in a !paste with the volunteers so they cna have a look
[03:39] <morgan-u2> I dont quite understand. Re my pocket drive. I should remove it. Then give the command jorunalctl -f---- then it will print the verbose errors?
[03:40] <morgan-u2> ... wait wait. (i inserted a flash drive that made a noise when I inserted it and showe dup in files.) so then I removed my passport drive and inserted it in THAT usb slot.  It worked this time. --- SMH (scratching my head)
[03:42] <morgan-u2> no more problems. I am ready to do things. thank you. - - telepathy of competence works (my acting belief system).
[06:09] <Rockwood_> hi
[06:10] <Rockwood_> i am unable to use package : https://theboroer.github.io/localtunnel-www/
[06:10] <Rockwood_> at the time lt --port 8000
[06:10] <Rockwood_> i am getting message
[06:11] <Rockwood_> https://paste.mozilla.org/7WEHboBX
[06:13] <Rockwood_> is any kind of port issue?
[06:13] <Rockwood_> what i am missing in just 2 lines command
[06:13] <Rockwood_> i am surprised by this message
[06:15] <oerheks> project without maintenance for 2 years, https://github.com/localtunnel/localtunnel
[06:17] <oerheks> https://github.com/localtunnel/localtunnel/issues ... good luck
[06:19] <Rockwood_> oerheks, anymore package similar like this?
[06:20] <oerheks> not in our repos i know of
[06:21] <Rockwood_> one of my known using that package already
[06:21] <Rockwood_> but he is on differ distro
[06:54] <xingwozhonghua__> “Why isn’t the package I sent showing up on the website?” https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/fCK2GF18/image.png
[08:33] <Guest3740> Hello, my monitor is black on Ubuntu 22.04.3 with a fresh install?
[08:33] <Guest3740> Please help me solve this 2 weeks issue.
[08:34] <Guest3740> It's very difficult and has something to do with Nvidia I think?
[08:35] <kotgc> test
[08:35] <kotgc> Me again on a fresh ubuntu 22.04.3 install and a black screen.
[08:35] <kotgc> Just ran all updates.
[08:36] <oerheks> !nomodeset
[08:36] <kotgc> Here's the dmesg https://dpaste.com/6UAEGB42L
[08:37] <kotgc> I should add the monitors did work until 2 weeks ago when I changed a storage disk SSD.
[08:39] <kotgc> So, nomodeset after quiet splash or to replace quiet splash?
[08:48] <kotgc> test
[08:48] <kotgc> ok, tried nomodeset and now there's more black screens? https://dpaste.com/C9HCW3AU6
[08:49] <kotgc> also, that link was bad, here's a better link https://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-do-i-set-nomodeset-after-ive-already-installed-ubuntu
[09:12] <kotgc> Lol, I fixed the black screen issue.
[11:13] <xoferif> dinner mode
[13:03] <plujon> A week ago, my ubuntu 22.04 LTS machine stopped properly waking from suspend, and I have had to hard reboot it nearly every time (but not every time).  What's the best way to troubleshoot this problem?
[13:31] <webchat56> hi, can someone help me, I’m stuck in ubuntu boot screen with failed to unmount /oldroot and failed to finalize file systems
[13:46] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:00] <tennisanders> I use virt-manager to launch a Windows 10 VM from my Ubuntu machine. Is it possible/viable to have a directory on my host machine shared with the Windows VM?
[14:04] <leftyfb> tennisanders: https://www.debugpoint.com/kvm-share-folder-windows-guest/
[14:07] <tennisanders> leftyfb, have you tried it yourself?
[14:08] <leftyfb> tennisanders: no, I don't have any reason to run Windows and if I need a linux VM with a desktop, I use LXD
[14:48] <SteelRose> Hello! Is there anyone here using Ubuntu Pro + realtime kernel on EKS? Thanks
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> best to ask your real question SteelRose so volunteers can point you in the right direction
[14:51] <SteelRose> lotuspsychje: that's my real question
[14:51] <SteelRose> I can rephrase it: I need to run a realtime kernel on EKS. Is it possible?
[14:52] <leftyfb> SteelRose: that would be an Amazon support question
[14:52] <SteelRose> 1103 users in this channel and nobody runs such a thing, so I need to ask AWS?
[14:53] <SteelRose> fair enough
[15:28] <Guest23> Ok to discuss ubuntuDDE here ?
[15:29] <leftyfb> Guest23: try #ubuntu-offtopic. This is a support channel for Ubuntu and it's official flavors. DDE isn't an official flavor of Ubuntu.
[15:29] <Guest23> k
[16:19] <TomyWork> ubuntu 18.04 had firefox as a classic apt package, in ubuntu 22.04 it's a snap. I upgraded one machine from 18.04 to 22.04 and noticed, that the browser profiles and all are automatically migrated over to the snap. Can I trigger that mechanism somehow?
[16:21] <TomyWork> asking cause the next machine, which I'm currently setting, is a fresh install on new machine, and I'm copying dotfiles and such over from the old machine. I'm also copying .mozilla, but I'm not sure where to
[16:21] <TomyWork> setting up*
[16:21] <leftyfb> TomyWork: copy your .mozilla to /snap/firefox/common/
[16:22] <leftyfb> sorry ~/snap/firefox/common/
[16:26] <TomyWork> thanks
[22:09] <Emil> Hey! I'd like to manage virtual machines through a browser. What would be the recommended package to do that?  Unfortunately, there is a quota on the download volume. Does anyone happen to know if there are any ubuntu images on other sources? My search did not give any satisfying result.
[22:58] <ravage> rema: maybe https://github.com/Joshua-Riek/ubuntu-rockchip/releases/tag/v1.32 ?
[23:00] <ravage> info page: https://github.com/Joshua-Riek/ubuntu-rockchip/wiki/NanoPC-T6
[23:03] <rema> ravage, No clue how I was able to miss this one. Thanks!
[23:30] <zmc_> Using virtio-scsi on a 22.04 kvm host, my linux guest vm gets disk reads and writes you can measure in kb/sec, while native host io is gb/sec. Anyone know how to chase this down?
[23:31] <ubuntu> Hello
[23:31] <Jack> Hi
[23:52] <wixboo> Hi there
[23:52] <wixboo> Looking for a command equivalent to: powercfg /batteryreport /output stuff.html
[23:52] <wixboo> ?
[23:53] <rbox> what does that do
[23:53] <oerheks> dmidecode -t 22
[23:54] <oerheks> upower -i `upower -e | grep 'BAT'`
[23:54] <oerheks> 2nd one i used in a conky
[23:55] <wixboo> Is there a way to check its history and statistics?
[23:55] <wixboo> powercfg batteryreport gives you historic usage of the battery.. Like each day how many hours the laptop was on and such.
[23:57] <oerheks> not from your battery, that requires some service to log that
[23:57] <wixboo> The upower command output does say battery has historye YES, has stastistics YES..
[23:57] <wixboo> But then how come windows can do it? I think the data from powercfg comes from the BIOS
[23:58] <wixboo> Or some other way to know when was the laptop used during the last months.. ?


[03:27] <slinnky> Has anybody noticed weird shit with chromium's interface in 13.10 ubuntu-gnome ?
[08:32] <darkxst> ph, yes rhytmbox is working fine hger
[08:32] <darkxst> here
[14:41] <alexandros_c> hello, how to access the the system tray objects?
[17:40] <melkir> hi :)
[17:41] <melkir> What's the default file manager on Ubuntu Gnome 13.10 plz ? I want to customize the contextual menu
[17:42] <melkir> I found it ^^ nautilus sry to bother you


[01:07] <pleia2> anyone else about to write summaries? ahoneybun?
[01:07]  * pleia2 starts moving things over && prep wiki
[01:11]  * ahoneybun looks to write pausing The Walking Dead
[01:11] <pleia2> :D
[01:12] <pleia2> thanks!
[01:14] <Unit193> ahoneybun: Didn't that end two weeks ago?
[01:15] <ahoneybun> Unit193: Netflix :)
[01:15] <ahoneybun> pleia2: sorry I've been lazy this whole weekend
[01:17] <ahoneybun> things are moving! lol
[01:17] <pleia2> haha, sorry, moving stuff over to the wiki :)
[01:18] <ahoneybun> and someone is adding summaries
[01:19] <pleia2> looks like only two people in the document, me and you
[01:20] <pleia2> I do some editorial review when I move stuff over
[01:20] <ahoneybun> yep
[01:23] <Unit193> Sorry, but I've turned out to be terrible with writing those. :3
[01:24] <ahoneybun> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/04/08/the-power-of-software-defined-networking-appliances-sdna/ this is a bit out of my range lol
[01:25] <pleia2> ahoneybun: no worries :) I'll take care of it, thanks for your help with the blogosphere articles! be sure to add your name to the bottom of the doc
[01:27] <ahoneybun> np pleia2 I'll try to get more next wee
[01:27] <ahoneybun> *week
[01:36] <pleia2> Unit193: it's not for everyone :) care to link check? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue412
[01:41] <Unit193> That I can.
[01:43] <Unit193> Good.
[02:04] <pleia2> thanks
[05:46] <PaulW2U> added an "Other Article of Interest" to the wiki
[06:57] <MooDoo> sorry all i did one summary then had a problem with a non sleepy daughter.....:S
[15:29] <PaulW2U> editorial review done
[22:30] <pleia2> wow, I've been trying to release this newsletter for a half hour now
[22:30] <pleia2> work keeps pinging me D:
[22:46] <pleia2> once this is done, I'll get the loco council call for nominees up on the fridge
[22:46] <wxl> yay
[22:47] <pleia2> and tomorrow we should have news re: membership board
[22:47] <pleia2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 412 for the week April 6 - 12, 2015 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue412
[22:47] <pleia2> it's nice when hotel wifi cooperates :)
[23:01] <pleia2> ok, all done, off to conference social now \o/


 Dont forget the studies tonight on # linux-studies guys
[14:22] <Kilos> grr
[14:22] <Kilos> #linux-studies
[14:22] <Kilos> daai goeters
[14:25] <Kilos> Maaz, where is nlsthzn
[14:25] <Maaz> Kilos: I'm afraid I have no idea
[14:33] <Kilos> bbl
[15:55]  * Mezenir waves
[15:55] <Mezenir> howdy
[15:57] <confluency> Hello
[16:05] <zeref> hi confluency
[17:44] <Mezenir> quiet tonight
[17:45] <Kilos> hi Mezenir we are on #linux-studies, come join us
[17:46] <Mezenir> ah oki
[17:46] <Kilos> a few of us anyway
[17:53] <Kilos> Maaz, lpi manual
[17:53] <Maaz> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual
[17:53] <Kilos> wb sakhi
[17:57] <Mezenir> ta
[17:57] <Mezenir> will wget it sometime
[17:58] <Kilos> yw
[17:58] <Mezenir> i think thats the one i got
[17:59] <Mezenir> says study guide
[17:59] <Kilos> i see LPImanual
[17:59] <Mezenir> some of you may be interested
[17:59] <Mezenir> http://www.vision-class.org
[17:59] <Kilos> very involved but lotsa great info
[18:00]  * Mezenir turns on javascript :/
[18:01] <Mezenir> We are committed to your success and we would like to help you become an internationally recognised Linux specialist. You will find here free resources that you can use to successfully prepare for the LPI exams.
[18:01] <Mezenir> Click on any link below to select the study manual of your choice:
[18:01] <Mezenir> LPI 101 & 102 Study Guide new syllabus- Free Ebook
[18:02] <Mezenir> LPI 101 Study Manual (old syllabus)
[18:02] <Mezenir> LPI 102 Study Manual (old syllabus)
[18:02] <Mezenir> LPI 201 Study Manual (old syllabus)
[18:02] <Mezenir> LPI 202 Study Manual (old syllabus)
[18:02] <Mezenir> thats what i see
[18:02] <Mezenir> i picked the new syllabus study guide
[18:03] <Kilos> it comes in bits and pieces
[18:03] <Kilos> ?
[18:03] <Kilos> the old one is the whole book
[18:05] <Mezenir> oh ok
[18:05] <Mezenir> thouht i shouldnt bother with old syllabus
[18:06] <Kilos> old one goes to 110 and lotsa other stuff
[18:06] <Kilos> 328 pages
[18:07] <Kilos> new sylabus seems to give 2 sections at a time
[18:09] <Kilos> and unless they have changed it by now 104 fills in 102
[18:10] <Kilos> one isnt complete without the other in my opinion
[18:15] <Kilos> lo wolf
[18:15] <Kilos> grrr
[18:16] <Kilos> Wolfeyes,
[18:16] <Kilos> you winning?
[18:17] <Mezenir> ok thanks
[18:17] <Kilos> yw
[18:42] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[20:12]  * Kerbero[N900] is having a drink on symmetria's birthday
[20:12] <Kerbero[N900]> if my sources are correct that is
[21:34] <inetpro> happy birthday Symmetria


[00:42] <DormantOden> hey again, anyone know hoe I can give rtorrent permission to create directories?
[01:11] <DormantOden> is it possible to give programs a group to run under?
[01:17] <ghostlines> interesting questions
[01:21] <DormantOden> i think apache2 uses www-data
[01:21] <DormantOden> but i need to give rtorrent somthing...
[01:21] <oh_noes1> hi, is this possible? => http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7567278#post7567278
[02:13] <storrgie> yallo, question about virtualization
[02:13] <storrgie> I am familiar with vmware workstation, I was going to put vmware server on my headless server.... mainly because of the web interface
[02:14] <storrgie> vmware server seems to be shit though, there is a ton of issues with linux... most notably bridged networking
[02:14] <storrgie> anyone using vmware server in jaunty server? or would you suggest anything else?
[02:24] <qman__> n0gearII, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:44] <mattt> storrgie: i've used it, found it to be much easier to use than xen :)
[02:44] <storrgie> I want to get bridged networking working
[02:44] <storrgie> http://serverfault.com/questions/26156/why-doesnt-bridged-networking-work-on-vmware-server-2-0-w-ubuntu-9-04
[02:48] <mattt> storrgie: only used it on RHEL, sorry :(
[04:30] <bsmith_> Hi I am attempting to setup a basic webserver using a Linux WRT54G router, ubuntu 9.04 32-bit server edition, and the howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu-9.04-ipconfig-3.  I just got started and can't set up the openssh.  Can someone help?
[04:38] <twb> stgraber: re "anything else", the recommended virtualization system for Ubuntu is KVM.
[04:38] <twb> Sorry, bad completion (storrgie left).
[04:40] <bsmith_> anyone care to help?
[04:51] <PhotoJim> bsmith_: it should just work, but if you expect to telnet to your Ubuntu box from remote, you'll either need to give it its own public IP (best), or port forward ports from your router.  port 22 is the ssh port.
[04:53] <PhotoJim> bsmith_: oops, not telnet, of course.  ssh.
[04:58] <bsmith_> PhotoJim: I think my issue is with the static IP.  My ISP doesn't allow for static Ip, how do I get around this?
[04:58] <bsmith_> p.s. sorry for the late response
[05:01] <PhotoJim> bsmith_: ahh, that's a tough one.  there are services that can work around it (see dyndns.org) but the best solution is to pay the extra fee for a static IP.  I can't help you with dyndns.org because my ISP gives me two static IPs automatically so I was good to go from the beginning.
[05:01] <PhotoJim> bsmith_: the workarounds will still break from time to time, whenever your IP changes, until the change perpetuates in the DNS system.
[05:07] <bsmith_> So I don't need to setup the static IP.  I actually wanted to use dyndns.org, untill I can purchase a static IP. (in college now).  Will i run into any issues in the howto if I don't set up the static IP?
[05:07] <PhotoJim> yes, that will buy you some time.
[05:07] <PhotoJim> you shouldn't have any problems, except that it will occasionally break and you won't be able to access it from remote.
[05:08] <PhotoJim> it should automatically fix itself.  I'm not sure how long dyndns needs to fix itself after an IP change.
[05:08] <PhotoJim> I'm guessing it's in the order of minutes to an hour or two at most, but I'm guessing.
[05:08] <bsmith_> as far as I know, you can set it to update every 5 mins minimum.
[05:10] <bsmith_> which is fine by me.  But can I use this server as both a web server and a media server. (bsmith.dyndns.org/web.html, and bsmith.dyndns.org/media.html?
[05:10] <PhotoJim> well, try it.
[05:10] <bsmith_> I haven't set it up yet.  I also assume I need apache
[05:10] <PhotoJim> and I don't know, but I don't see why not.  it's pointing stuff to your IP.  your machine determines what services are running.
[05:11] <PhotoJim> yes, or lighttpd which is a great web server for smaller machines.  wikipedia uses it.
[05:11] <bsmith_> thanks for you help, I will attempt to set this up.
[05:12] <PhotoJim> I use apache, but only because I didn't know about lighttpd.  I probably would use lighttpd today if I were to do a new installation.
[05:12] <PhotoJim> no problem.  good luck.
[05:31] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #395970 in drbd8 (universe) "Please merge drbd8 8.3.2~rc2-1(main) from debian unstable(main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/395970
[05:36] <twb> When was/is the EOL date for Ubuntu Server 6.06 LTS?
[05:38] <ajmitch> I'd assume it'd be around the start of june 2011
[05:39] <ajmitch> though I don't recall seeing a definite date
[05:42] <twb> !eol
[05:43] <ajmitch> 6.06 was announced on 1 june 2006, so it ought to be 5 years from that date
[05:46] <domas> 5 years it will be
[05:47] <twb> What was the firewalling solution in 6.06 (i.e. prior to ufw)?
[05:48] <ajmitch> as far as I know, it was just iptables, no frontends involved
[06:05] <twb> ajmitch: was there any code to load tables on boot or if-up?
[06:05] <twb> I remember that the Debian iptables packages have no such thing
[06:08] <ajmitch> not beyond the standard iptables-save/load commands
[06:08] <ajmitch> iirc it was pretty much just like debian
[06:08] <twb> Debian's one doesn't even do that :-/
[06:09] <twb> Anyway, that's pretty much what I thought, thanks.
[06:21] <VK7HSE> just wondering if there is a howto for purging the Amais-New virus directory? as over time this gets quite full of spam/bad headers/virus mail ???
[08:18] <MTecknology> I'm trying to do /usr/sbin/logwatch --detail 10 --range '-1 week' --mailto<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but the report returned says "Period is day."
[08:18] <MTecknology> Is that what's supposed to happen?
[08:18] <twb> Any reason you're using logwatch instead of logcheck?
[08:19] <MTecknology> logcheck is what I knew
[08:19] <twb> I'm Not A Fan(TM) of logwatch's whitelist-oriented reporting.
[08:19] <twb> If there's a daemon that logcheck doesn't know about, I want it to tell me instead of silently ignoring those log entrie.
[08:19] <twb> ...which is what logwatch does.
[08:22] <MTecknology> so.. logcheck -m<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-Rsu
[08:22] <MTecknology> how close is that to what you use
[08:22] <MTecknology> ?
[08:23] <MTecknology> even though what I typed is wrong
[08:25] <twb> Actually I just let logcheck run automatically as part of its cron job.
[08:25] <MTecknology> twb: you don't set it in a crontab?
[08:26] <twb> MTecknology: correct.
[08:29] <MTecknology> twb: so if I set the email addy for it the cron is already set up and it'll work?
[08:30] <MTecknology> ok
[08:32] <MTecknology> twb: thanks
[08:35] <MTecknology> twb: massive email report, no nice summary :P
[08:35] <MTecknology> but very detailed
[08:35] <twb> MTecknology: yes, then you add whitelist for the entries you don't care about
[08:36] <MTecknology> nice
[08:49] <MTecknology> twb: did you know linux is dead because microsoft says it is? This is funny - http://satirewire.com/news/0101/linux_quit.shtml
[08:49] <simplexio> im trying to install latest vanilla kernel to ubuntu-server which boot away from being 9.04 .. i made .deb and noe trying to install it with dpkg i get error and i dosent install it
[08:49] <twb> MTecknology: I'm not interested in Microsoft./
[08:50] <MTecknology> twb: I just thought the thing was a funny read, it's not based on any facts.
[08:50] <twb> simplexio: why do you need a non-standard (i.e. non-Ubuntu) kernel?
[08:50] <simplexio> i dont need it. i just have used to upgrade latest vanilla on every reboot
[08:52] <simplexio> i mean this used to be trivial stuff. make menuconfig ;
[08:52] <simplexio> sudo make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-custom kernel_image kernel_headers
[08:52] <simplexio> and the dpkg -i .deb
[08:53] <simplexio> this cant be this hard
[08:55] <simplexio> this one of those thing that used to work allways on my 32bit desktop, now this 64bit server allways complains shit
[08:57] <MTecknology> simplexio: What is your reason for using Ubuntu and not an Ubuntu kernel?
[08:58] <simplexio> well last one did fail with swapper now and then
[08:58] <simplexio> besides .27 is like what year old ?
[08:59] <MTecknology> Why didn't you report a bug instead?
[09:01] <simplexio> and point was also, that make-kpkg used to be idiot sure way to compile and add kernel to grub (and maybe in future remove it using dpkg) why it isnt working now
[09:02] <MTecknology> I'm using 2.6.28-13 right now. If you want the latest kernel, you should be using the latest Ubuntu.
[09:02] <MTecknology> Just my opinion on it
[09:03] <simplexio> this did offer me 27.11 after dist-upgrade,, need to check it again
[09:07] <_ruben> or take a look at the mainline kernel builds as provided by the kernel team
[09:08] <simplexio> you still miss the point. what im missing now here, am i doing something wrong or is there some bug in úbuntu, i create custom kernel using : sudo make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-custom kernel_image kernel_headers && dpkg -i *.deb
[09:09] <simplexio> i can go easy way and learn nothing. or figure out whats wrong and fix it and learn somethign
[09:09] <simplexio> because that way has been working and i dont see any reason why it shouldnt work anymore
[09:10] <MTecknology> simplexio: I think the point we're getting to here is that a customized kernel isn't supported in here. You might want to try ##linux instead.
[09:10] <MTecknology> twb: does that sum it up?
[09:12] <simplexio> MTecknology: so ubuntu dosent support make-kpkg ?
[09:12] <twb> MTecknology: yes, but I also asked because usually YAGNI applies
[09:12] <simplexio> i dont have problems with custom kernel or compiling it, i have problemswtih make-kpkg and dpkg which dosent want install .deb package
[09:13] <twb> Since simplexio already knows about make-kpkg, I assume he more or less knows what he's doing
[09:13] <twb> simplexio: in what way does dpkg -i complain?
[09:13] <simplexio> and far as i know those are part of ubuntu
[09:14] <_ruben> simplexio: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KnowledgeBase
[09:16] <MTecknology> looks like 2.6.31 might be in karmic :)
[09:17] <MTecknology> Is it possible to use a new kernel without rebooting? Or rebooting in a lot less time?
[09:18] <MTecknology> I know the obvious answer, I just want to be able to deploy a new kernel without the time. I heard something about doing this a while ago.
[09:19] <simplexio> http://pastebin.com/md0e2d1a , error have been same alltime
[09:20] <simplexio> actually it seems that custom build dosent make /lib/firmware/(uname -r)/ it just tries to dump all firmware to /lib/firmware/
[09:22] <twb> MTecknology: AFAIK, no
[09:26] <_ruben> ksplice .. www.ksplice.com .. quote: "Ksplice: Rebootless software updates"
[09:27] <twb> Anything with a ™ in its name makes me very suspicious
[09:29] <twb> "Unlike previous hot update systems, Ksplice operates at the object code layer, which allows Ksplice to transform many traditional source code patches into hot updates with little or no programmer involvement. In the common case that a patch does not change the semantics of persistent data structures, Ksplice can create a hot update without a programmer writing any new code."
[09:29] <twb> Sounds like they're basically swapping in new .ko files and telling the kernel to reread them.
[09:30] <twb> And obviously it only allows you to handle a subset (80%, by ksplice's reckoning) of security updates -- you wouldn't be able to drop a whole new kernel in there without rebooting
[11:06] <pirx> hi! if i want to install a 8.04 with some added software via the network to a bunch of servers, what method is easiest/best? one of these https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation#Server%20and%20network%20installations ? like Localboot or NetBoot?
[13:04] <simplexio> that was intresting 8.10 custom kernel install didnt work, after i did upgrade to 9.10 right way ( this time i changed source.lst for apt) it works just like it has been working
[13:09] <_ruben> livin' on the edge eh :)
[13:39] <proti> morning
[13:39] <RoyK> hm... I have some problems with a box here, running <IP_ADDRESS> (ubuntu 9.04). The system's processes are using a total amount of 2,5GB of memory as reported by ps axv, but free reports 3,8GB memory and 2,5GB swap used. Where did all that go?
[13:39] <RoyK> proti: afternoon
[14:09] <proti> RoyK: Think about disk cache and shared memory
[14:09] <proti> See the cached and shared items of top.
[14:13] <proti> I need some help with kerberos migration.
[14:14] <proti> I want to move kerberos files to an LDAP tree.
[14:15] <proti> I did find some relevant hint on google.
[14:15] <proti> But only when creating Realms, not moving realms from file db backend to LDAP tree.
[14:21] <j0nr> hi all, just set a mail server (8.04) I have it set up with maildir. In my home directory I have maildir and within this there are subdirectories for different accounts. I use mutt to view mail that comes into 'maildir' and then move them into the coressponding sub directories.
[14:22] <j0nr> What i am wondering is if these subdirectories can be accessed thru imap.
[14:22] <j0nr> the mail server is imap, but I only get to see that top level (i.e. in squirrelmail)
[14:22] <j0nr> how can I see the subdirectories in imap client?
[14:23] <proti> You have to tell the imap server that you are using the Maildir format.
[14:24] <proti> j0nr: What kind of imap server ?
[14:29] <j0nr> proti: dovecot
[14:29] <j0nr> if thats the right answer :)
[14:30] <j0nr> I installed dovecot and postfix
[14:30] <j0nr> imap and imaps protocols
[14:30] <j0nr> using maildir format
[14:38] <j0nr> ah...all I had to do was rename my sub-directories to '.subname' i.e. add the dot in front of it.
[14:58] <RoyK> proti: aware of that - it was anonymous memory pages - almost nothing left for caching
[14:58] <RoyK> 50kB or so
[15:00] <sandstrom> jdstrand: You were kind and helped me with some ufw troubles a few days ago. Your conclusion was that the state module wasn't present. Would you mind another question or two on this issue? My VPS-provider are claiming that the state module is present, and that my rules are wrong. Even though I have reinstalled everything twice and checked things quite a lot.
[15:07] <proti> RoyK: Could you paste the top header ?
[15:09] <jdstrand> sandstrom: simply show the VPS-provider the rules that are failing (substitute 'ufw-before-input' for INPUT). show them both the ctstate and state rules you tried
[15:33] <sandstrom> jdstrand: would this work if the state module was installed (eg. should this be proof enough)?
[15:33] <sandstrom> http://pastie.org/535670
[15:34] <jdstrand> sandstrom: yes-- I just confirmed here on a hardy kernel
[15:34] <sandstrom> thanks
[15:35] <jdstrand> sandstrom: incidentally, to clean those out, use 'iptables -F foo;iptables -X foo'
[15:35] <jdstrand> (that remove the foo chain)
[15:35] <sandstrom> thanks
[16:43] <AnRkey> does any1 know off hand if there is a problem with the mail-server virtual package on jaunty server? I'm about to go and try to reproduce the package install error on a VM but if it's already reported then what's the point.
[16:44] <AnRkey> i'm installing the mail server from the net-install pxe image
[17:50] <heath|work> how can I kill all ssh sessions?
[17:51] <ivoks> kill ssh on that tty
[17:54] <heath|work> have you ever had a problem connecting to virsh ? I can't control any machines... it just hangs on connecting to quem:///system
[17:55] <heath|work> Do you know if I can restart libvirt without it kill all the machines?
[19:31] <Travis-42> what is a good tool for quickly allowing one to browse log files and, possibly, sending email alerts about certain log messages?
[19:41] <storrgie> anyone here using vmware server?
[20:38] <KillMeNow> hello folks...  anyone know why libapache2-mod-security got yanked from the repos?
[20:41] <jdstrand> KillMeNow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#Packages
[20:42] <jdstrand> heath|work: you should be able to with libvirt 0.6.0 and later
[20:42] <heath|work> thanks... I got it jdstrand
[20:42] <oioiii> Hello, Im using php5.2.9 with mysql-server5.1.34 from dotdeb.org on ubuntu8.04lts, all seems fine but php is reporting mysql version as 5.0.18 rather than 5.1.34. Is this a concern? How can I change this?
[20:47] <KillMeNow> have you restarted your apache2 server yet oioiii?
[20:47] <KillMeNow> not sure if that will do it
[20:53] <oioiii> no, it wont, just asked the same question over at #mysql and they said I should be fine...
[21:51] <KillMeNow> ok Jdstrand...  they took it out of the 8.04 version and it's back in version 9, how can i upgrade my system to version 9 w/o reformatting?
[21:52] <KillMeNow> i've done the dist-upgrade
[21:52] <KillMeNow> should i just repoint apt to the newer repos?
[22:11] <Hans_the_german> how good is ubuntu server compared to centos?
[22:12] <KillMeNow> each distro has pluses and minuses
[22:13] <KillMeNow> i used to use Centos exclusively and went to Ubuntu...
[22:13] <Hans_the_german> if a may ask how many users?
[22:14] <Hans_the_german> i am to setup server with function as a mail gateway, firewall, webproxy and ipsec server with freeswan
[22:15] <KillMeNow> so you're looking to make something in to a firewall?
[22:15] <Hans_the_german> aswell yes
[22:15] <KillMeNow> check out smoothwall.org
[22:15] <Hans_the_german> nah
[22:15] <Hans_the_german> to limited
[22:15] <KillMeNow> can do everything you just listed
[22:15] <KillMeNow> heh ok?
[22:16] <Hans_the_german> not powerfull enough
[22:16] <Hans_the_german> i can only do what is provided by smoothwall, i cant change and add functions
[22:17] <Hans_the_german> features like dkim,greylisting etc
[22:17] <KillMeNow> ok
[22:17] <Hans_the_german> dont like firewall policy its to limited
[22:17] <Hans_the_german> no for large site
[22:17] <KillMeNow> well, i run my stuff from ubuntu, like greylisting etc
[22:17] <Hans_the_german> maybe a small network
[22:18] <KillMeNow> in the end i think it's preference
[22:18] <KillMeNow> i like the aptitude manager better than yum
[22:19] <KillMeNow> plus i can tell you from experience, that centos won't run my IPtables tarpit
[22:19] <KillMeNow> well not a tarpit per se, but the auto deny after X attempted connections for them script kiddies
[22:19] <Hans_the_german> debian seems to be more secure and stable from what i hear and people are affaired of using ubuntu directly on the net...it seems
[22:19] <KillMeNow> ubuntu is from the debian
[22:20] <Hans_the_german> yes i know
[22:20] <KillMeNow> er derived from
[22:20] <KillMeNow> and as long as you follow standard security rules, you should be ok
[22:20] <KillMeNow> i've had Ubuntu on the "net" for years w/ few problems
[22:20] <KillMeNow> biggest issue i've had is getting apparmor to work
[22:21] <Hans_the_german> ok and what about stability and performance?
[22:22] <KillMeNow> i've run Ubuntu on my HP 2000LPR server w/ Megaraid for 2 years w/o any issues...  even had it attached to a 12 disk scsi raid shelf w/o any issues
[22:23] <KillMeNow> I migrated from 6.06lts to 8.04 a while back w/o any issues...  it's running on a Dell 1750 dual Xeon
[22:23] <KillMeNow> it's now been up for 34 days since my last reboot
[22:24] <KillMeNow> course, i don't do any really heavy website action
[22:24] <Hans_the_german> mmm...
[22:24] <KillMeNow> however, i do some contract work for a couple business that run asterisk on Centos
[22:24] <Vog> I haven't had any problems more with ubuntu on the net than other distros. Just make sure you do you updates and know what is running on your server.
[22:24] <KillMeNow> and those are heavily hammered on a regular basis
[22:25] <KillMeNow> yeppers...
[22:25] <Hans_the_german> well i a bit scared of ubuntu in a high volume enviroment...
[22:25] <KillMeNow> i'm trying to figure out how to get the apache-mod-security for 8.04
[22:25] <Vog> A few of my boxen at other sites are HAMMERD with traffic during business hours
[22:25] <KillMeNow> LOL...  i don't want to reinstall Ubuntu 9 over the top of it
[22:32] <ScottK> Hans_the_german: What makes you think Debian is more secure than Ubuntu?  Ubuntu is more aggressive about using compile time hardening options than Debian.
[22:35] <Hans_the_german> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/15/1341224
[22:36] <Hans_the_german> i dont like this,,,
[22:37] <KillMeNow> ok, maybe we should google all the different flavors of Linux and see which ones have been hacked
[22:38] <KillMeNow> when you read the article, it says that some ppl were not using smart security practices
[22:40] <ScottK> Hans_the_german: I was around when that came to light and it's really attributable to poor administration practices.  There's no distro so secure you can't shoot yourself in the foot.
[22:41] <KillMeNow> so very true ScottK
[23:16] <Vog> I know of an administrator who I could hand over a bastill elinux install and he could make it hackable after a month on incompetance
[23:18] <Vog> I quote " why can't we have 6 character passwords without numbers? You make us more unsecure by making me write these complicated passwords down on postits "
[23:18] <Vog> He dosen't work for me anymore.....
[23:18] <Vog> doesn't ^^
[23:19]  * jmedina writes hashed paswords on posticks
[23:41] <zende> I'm having trouble with apt-get on clean installations of hardy and jaunty using vmbuilder
[23:41] <zende> anyone here who could help?
[23:44] <KillMeNow> sorry, none from me
[23:45] <KillMeNow> haven't played with vmbuilder yet
[23:51] <zende> KillMeNow: thanks for the response
[23:51] <zende> anyone else?  I'm getting 'E: Method http has died unexpectedly!'


[00:03] <mst> hello everybody
[00:03] <mst> https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409/ # background
[00:03] <mst> https://gist.github.com/shadowcat-mst/998cea12794768bdb3da2daeff31baad # signable
[00:03] <mst> read the first one, then the links from mine, then feel free to ask questions
[00:05] <sauvin> Is anybody awake?
[00:05] <mst> sauvin: heh, I just posted jopepie's and my gist links :D
[00:06] <sauvin> Ah, mmkay.
[00:06] <sauvin> In that case, I won't idle in somebody else's ops channel.
[00:47] <hggdh> mst: thank you I will let the other ops know
[00:48] <mst> hggdh: cheers
[00:48] <mst> obviously the goal is "everything chills out"
[00:48] <mst> but we have to make it clear that we're willing to say "no, fuck this" to incentivise that
[00:49] <hggdh> ack
[01:06] <hggdh> mst: most of the namespace ops are here; this will percolate thru the rest
[01:07] <mst> hggdh: much appreciated
[01:07] <mst> hggdh: would you prefer I stuck around in case people wanted to ask me stuff, or part and people can grab me in /msg and relay answers to the rest of the ops as useful?
[01:07] <mst> (I really don't mind, I'm trying to be collaborative here obviously)
[01:08] <hggdh> I expect most people will /msg you
[01:08] <hggdh> (or one of the others, as they may see fit)
[01:08] <mst> alright, please make clear to them that (a) no permission is required to /msg me about this (b) I fully expect them to relay any reply i give to their colleagues
[01:09] <mst> that should make it entirely uncomplicated for everybody
[01:09] <mst> hggdh: and with that, I believe I can/should part to free this channel back up for its primary purpose?
[01:09] <hggdh> Already made clear the best possible way, by you yourself :-) we now know
[01:10] <mst> cheers, gonna vanish, people can poke me as they want/need to
[01:10] <mst> thank you!


[12:26] <DavidCraft> let me see if there is an update... hold on.
[12:26] <DavidCraft> for my router*
[12:27] <PriceChild> DavidCraft, there's no guarantee they'll have fixed it in those updates... just reconnect on port 8001 to be sure.
[12:28] <DavidCraft> as I said, I have an 'interesting' complex network setup...  I will have to change some thinsg to allow connections of port 8001... of which will be a pain in my ass... id rather see if there is a router update first
[12:30] <nalioth> DavidCraft: some router firmware upgrades aimed at this, do nothing.  :(
[12:32] <DavidCraft> well you can 'test' it again is a second.  There is one, upgrading now.
[12:38] <ompaul> 1000:1 the upgrade trashes his existing interesting rules
[12:39] <ompaul> 100:1 his router is still going to fail
[12:40] <Pumpernickel> 2:1 user error, and we don't see him for at least 2 days
[12:40] <nalioth> heh
[01:29] <DavidCraft> finaly back
[01:29] <DavidCraft> anyways uh can you try that exploit on me to see if it is still broken?
[01:29] <nalioth> yes
[01:29] <nalioth> excellent
[01:29] <DavidCraft> still here
[01:30] <DavidCraft> alright cool
[01:30] <DavidCraft> so now I can get back in #ubuntu ?
[01:30] <nalioth> you can join #ubuntu now  ;)  Thanks for your patience  :)
[01:30] <DavidCraft> sweet thankes
[01:30] <DavidCraft> np
[02:05] <jrib> ermac0: have you fixed the issue with your router?
[02:06] <ermac0> linksys router I have
[02:06] <ermac0> i'm guessing there is a linksys firmware upgrade
[02:07] <jrib> yesterday you were affected by a router exploit and I forwarded you to #ubuntu-read-topic.  Did you read the link in the topic and fix the issue?
[02:07] <ermac0> currently ive switched to port 8001
[02:07] <jrib> ermac0: ok, read for a test?
[02:07] <ermac0> ok
[02:07] <jrib> I guess I'll have to start banning by ip
[02:09] <jrib> ermac0: what client are you using?
[02:09] <gnomefreak> did anyone else get an error from ubotu?
[02:09] <jrib> gnomefreak: I get them all the time
[02:09] <gnomefreak> XMl error?
[02:09] <gnomefreak> XML even
[02:09] <jrib> hmm, I think he just tells me "an error has occurred"
[02:10] <gnomefreak> oh hell it gave me lines and collums and everything
[02:10] <gnomefreak> and i didnt type anything
[02:10] <jrib> oh, weird
[02:10] <gnomefreak> atleast not in ubuntu
 Error: Could not parse XML returned by Ubuntu:
[02:11] <gnomefreak> invald token in line XXX and so on
[02:11] <gnomefreak> so i thought someone did something they shouldnt have
[02:11] <ermac0> xchat
[02:12] <ermac0> 2.8.0
[02:12] <gnomefreak> ban by clients ;))
[02:14] <jrib> ermac0: in your network list, did you change the port to 8001 for the appropriate network?  "Ubuntu servers" is usually what is used by default
[02:17] <nalioth> beware the clones
[02:22] <ermac0> i have changed the port to 8001 , but in status still says 6667, let do this again, quit xchat this time
[02:49] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, Arwen said: !mac is For help with Macs and OS X, please see ##mac or your nearest mental institute.
[02:51] <nalioth> WHAT!
[02:51] <nalioth> blasphemy!
[02:56] <ubotu> mwe called the ops in #ubuntu
[02:58] <ubotu> omha called the ops in #ubuntu
[02:58] <nalioth> banned for abuse
[03:06] <ubotu> mwe called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:06] <Pici> nalioth: you keeping an eye on Charles_Xavier / mwe in #ubuntu?
[03:06] <nalioth> fixing to let loose the ban hammer
[03:07] <nalioth> aaaaah silence
[03:08] <Charles_Xavier> hi
[03:08] <nalioth> #ubuntu is not the place for personal bickering, Charles_Xavier
[03:08] <Charles_Xavier> mwe has been against me for days now because I gave him a negative, but not mean comment
[03:08] <Charles_Xavier> and since then he is calling ops to ban me
[03:08] <Charles_Xavier> yes i know, i didn't really do anything that bad
[03:08] <nalioth> if you don't respond, he will lose interest
[03:08] <Charles_Xavier> read the chat log
[03:08] <Charles_Xavier> sorry i will not
[03:08] <Charles_Xavier> I only said to zabin do not repeat
[03:09] <Charles_Xavier> and mwe became rash towards me for some reason
[03:09] <nalioth> i saw it
[03:09] <Charles_Xavier> may I be unbanned
[03:09] <Charles_Xavier> I believe I did not do anything that harsh to deserve a ban
[03:09] <Charles_Xavier> I will ignore mwe
[03:09] <nalioth> it'll come off in a few minutes
[03:09] <Charles_Xavier> ty
[03:09] <Charles_Xavier> should I part this channel
[03:10] <nalioth> nothing here to see :)
[03:10] <Charles_Xavier> ok, i will ignore mwe from now on
[03:10] <Charles_Xavier> please look at logs if he calls !ops again
[03:10] <Charles_Xavier> I promise you, he is against me for the last few days
[06:43] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, OmegaCenti said: ubotu what is help
[09:02] <ubotu> OmegaCenti called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:20] <Dj_Vic> hello is anyone here
[09:25] <nalioth> hi
[09:25] <Dj_Vic> hi
[09:25] <Dj_Vic> are any of the ops here?
[09:25] <nalioth> Dj_Vic: what did you need?
[09:25] <Dj_Vic> i wanted to be unbanned from #ubuntu
[09:26] <Dj_Vic> hobbsee was suppose to unban me but i guess he never got to it
[09:27] <nalioth> ah
[09:27] <Dj_Vic> yeah...i mean i can always get in using a proxy but i shouldnt have to do that
[09:33] <Myrtti> then wait for hobbsee
[09:40] <Hobbsee> Dj_Vic: hi
[09:40] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[09:40] <Dj_Vic> hi
[09:40] <Dj_Vic> hobbsee!!!
[09:40] <Dj_Vic> '=] ]
[09:41] <Hobbsee> oh, you again.
[09:41] <Dj_Vic> yeah
[09:41] <Dj_Vic> lol
[09:41] <Dj_Vic> you never unbanned me
[09:43] <Dj_Vic> hobbsee am i going to be unbanned?
[09:45] <Myrtti> are you going to stop being repetetive?
[09:47] <Dj_Vic> ?


[00:14] <lamont> slangasek: yeah - almost certainly gone.
[00:15] <lamont> slangasek: if you knock over clementine, let me know and I'll hijack another buildd to do duty until we get the biobot onsite
[00:23] <ScottL> how long do we have to complete the latest test cases before release?
[03:54]  * ScottK looks around.
[03:54] <ajmitch> hi
[03:54] <ScottK> Hello.  Made it to the other side of the continent OK.
[03:55] <ajmitch> oh, you've been travelling?
[03:55] <ScottK> Yeah, just got to California.
[03:56] <ScottK> Thus my uncharacteristic quiet online for the last ~12 hours
[03:56] <ajmitch> Hopefully the queue isn't too unmanageable yet :)
[03:57]  * ScottK didn't look at the web page yet, but the queuebot doesn't inspire confidence.
[04:01]  * ajmitch only added a couple of items
[04:03] <ajmitch> I imagine we'll need to start targetting -proposed for universe tomorrow or the next day?
[04:04] <ScottK> Yeah, sometime early Wed will be the limit.
[05:23] <slangasek> stgraber: did you mean for 'kill $!' to be 'kill $ZEN_PID'?
[05:28] <kirkland> been such a long day
[05:28] <slangasek> pretty sure it was acpid
[05:28] <slangasek> since that's what I see in the queue :)
[05:29] <kirkland> slangasek: ah, probably so
[05:31] <ScottK> slangasek: Did you just accept the edubuntu-artwork package?
[05:32] <ScottK> Because I just saved the screenshot of me getting an ack on mod-wsgi and they both showed up building.
[05:32] <kirkland> slangasek: oh, right; so that fix is by far the least invasive way to solve (the bulk of) the problem for lucid
[05:32] <kirkland> slangasek: and is pretty clearly a regression
[05:33] <kirkland> slangasek: i was just checking your pulse on it, in case you wanted it solved differently
[05:35] <slangasek> kirkland: so, rejecting from the queue, this touches all images and is much too late for us to respin everything for anything short of dataloss or a zero-day security hole; please reupload to lucid-proposed, and please adjust the patch to not silently ignore, e.g., getXconsole not existing
[05:35] <slangasek> ScottK: yes, accepted it
[05:36] <kirkland> slangasek: ack
[05:36] <ScottK> slangasek: OK.  Glad to hear it.  I was a little nervous when I accepted one package and two appeared in the same update.
[05:36] <slangasek> ScottK: notabug :)
[05:37] <ScottK> ;-)
[05:40] <kirkland> slangasek: thanks, EoD, g'night
[05:40] <slangasek> kirkland: 'night!
[05:57] <ScottK> slangasek: I'm not sure how relevant to your view of the queue, but I did look through the list of language pack uploads and did not see any non-lang pack stuff mixed in with it.
[05:59] <slangasek> ScottK: uh - what language pack uploads?
[05:59] <ScottK> slangasek: for -proposed
[05:59] <ScottK> ~700 of them
[06:00] <ScottK> At least in the LP U/I stuff for proposed and release is intermingled.
[06:00] <slangasek> ah
[06:00] <slangasek> right, sorry :)
[06:00]  * slangasek wonders why we have -proposed langpacks so soon
[06:20] <pitti> slangasek: the last upload apparently was from a previous export accidentally
[06:20] <pitti> slangasek: so the -proposed ones are the ones which were supposed to be in final
[06:20] <pitti> but I thought yesterday we agreed to upload them a week after release, to catch some more translations
[06:21] <pitti> ArneGoetje ^ ? these are more urgent now?
[06:57] <ara> good morning!
[06:57]  * slangasek waves
[07:40] <ArneGoetje> pitti: that's what I discussed with dpm yesterday. Make them available immediately since they were supposed to be on the release ISO anyways. The remaining bugs (incomplete ca@valencia and buggy lithuanian KDE translations) get fixed a bit later, once the issue is fixed in Launchpad code and the translations have been re-uploaded.
[07:42] <pitti> ArneGoetje: ah, thanks
[09:02] <stgraber> slangasek: indeed, I meant $ZEN_PID ... though it'll work anyway. Fixing edubuntu-artwork here in case we have to re-upload for whatever reason .
[09:18] <stgraber> slangasek: got to go for a few hours, I started a rsync of 20100427.1 that just appeared on cdimage, will test it or rsync a newer image when I'm back
[09:38] <slangasek> stgraber: unfortunately we have to respin everything for a plymouth regression; we're double-stepping to get it in ASAP, but of course this means it'll be at least a few hours before edubuntu final images will be available
[10:39] <slangasek> lamont: is acorn still awol?
[10:47] <elmo> slangasek: got rebooted and should be back
[10:51]  * ogra wonders why that machine is so chaky
[10:51] <ogra> *shaky
[10:51] <ogra> clementine didnt have these probs
[10:52] <ogra> and i dont see anything similar on my bbg3
[11:00] <elmo> ogra: does your bbg3 board do the same number of livefs builds?
[11:00] <elmo> if not, it's not a very useful comparison
[11:01] <ogra> elmo, it doesnt die if i do local livefs builds ... indeed i dont do 10 per day though but i never had a single hang during this cycle
[11:09] <slangasek> elmo: thanks
[11:26] <Riddell> ooh, kubuntu builds are go
[11:52] <slangasek> ttx: eta 30min for ubuntu-server ISOs
[11:52] <ttx> slangasek: ack
[11:59] <ogra> slangasek, is omap 20100427 worth testing or do you do another respin ?
[11:59] <slangasek> ogra: worth testing: yes; another respin: also yes
[11:59] <ogra> ok :)
[11:59]  * ogra fires up the install
[12:04] <slangasek> ETA on the respin is ~4h
[12:06] <stgraber> slangasek: that's the ETA for omap or is that the ETA for all respin ?
[12:07] <slangasek> stgraber: all, since the image builds are done after the livefs spins
[12:16] <slangasek> stgraber: oh, perhaps I should clarify - that's the ETA for all the armel netbook respins, which land at the same time for all subarchs; but other respins for amd64/i386 will continue to arrive in parallel at various points
[12:16]  * slangasek just realized you were probably asking on account of edubuntu
[12:25] <slangasek> ttx: ubuntu-server up
[12:25] <ttx> slangasek: right, but lunch is also up :P
[13:21] <Riddell> GrueMaster: will you have any spare family members able to test kubuntu netbook on ARM before release?
[13:50] <GrueMaster> Riddell: Unfortunately, no.  Guess I'll have to do it myself.  :D
[13:51] <slangasek> lamont: low-priority - why is emacs23 FTBFS on ia64? (no corresponding build log)
[13:51] <lamont> for the H9, of course.
[13:51] <lamont> kids->school, breakfast, will look later today
[13:53] <slangasek> ev: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4132 - fixed with a shift-reload
[13:53] <ogra> hrmpf
[13:53] <ogra> on omap plymouth is really slow ...
[13:54] <slangasek> plymouth itself?
[13:54] <ogra> i get a console login prompt before the splash comes up
[13:54] <ogra> well, there must be some kind of race
[13:54] <slangasek> eh - so the splash comes up *after* you get a console login prompt?
[13:54] <ogra> not that i care much with a 600MHz CPU
[13:54] <ogra> yeah
[13:55] <slangasek> yuck
[13:55] <slangasek> yeah, there's a race there
[13:55] <ogra> i see a login prompt and the cursor blinks about ten times behind the colon before the splash kicks in
[13:55] <slangasek> I've just never seen it hit before
[13:55] <ogra> well, extremely slow HW :)
[13:55] <ogra> even VMs are faster
[13:56] <slangasek> ogra: current ETA for armel respin is ~1.5h, btw
[13:57] <ogra> ah, great
[13:57] <ogra> that leaves me some time to do some testing without panel on the image for asac
[13:57] <ogra> i assume we dont expect a d-i rebuild anymore ?
[13:57] <ogra> i.e. i can go on testing netinst too
[13:58] <slangasek> ogra: and after the splash screen comes up, it still successfully clears itself? or does it get stuck on the screen?
[13:58] <slangasek> (AFAICS, plymouth-stop.conf should still successfully shut down the splash screen at the end)
[13:58] <ogra> well, there seems to be a framebuffer issue, it clears itself and eventually i get to X
[13:59] <ogra> but i can paint with black squares on the screen using my mouse cursor
[13:59] <slangasek> right - but not a plymouth bug :)
[13:59] <ogra> i really expect a DSS2 (omap framebuffer driver) issue here though
[14:00] <ogra> but thats code amit needs to attack post-release anyway and there are no other issues
[14:00] <ogra> just an uglyness
[14:30] <Daviey> Hey.. I'm looking for pointers how to proceed with bug #555111.
[14:30] <Daviey> I really don't think it's a good idea to deviate from Debian Testing on this package
[14:31] <Daviey> The sync closes a nasty bug, which i'm keen to get fixed within 7-14 days of release.
[14:31] <Daviey> Is it worth raising a FFe at this stage?
[14:31] <cjwatson> what's the new build-dependency mentioned?
[14:31] <cjwatson> oh, that's unstable
[14:32] <cjwatson> this does look as though it requires at least the moral equivalent of a feature freeze exception, although you could convert the existing bug into one rather than bothering to raise a new bug
[14:33] <Daviey> cjwatson: Okay, i just didn't want to go down the FFe route if there was "no chance".
[14:34] <Daviey> cjwatson: The build dep adds support for a grabber for a country which didn't exist before.. Other than that, the cvs snapshot is very close to the release.. So it feels like it will be easier to maintain.
[14:41] <slangasek> Daviey: isn't xmltv on mythbuntu?
[14:42] <slangasek> would need sign-off from superm1 that it's ok to respin the ISOs
[14:43] <slangasek> confirmed, it's on mythbuntu as expected
[14:44] <Daviey> slangasek: yes
[14:45] <Daviey> slangasek: I think we want a re-spin anyway for the ubiquity UI fixes.
[14:45] <slangasek> Daviey: that respin is already done
[14:45] <Daviey> Or has that been done?
[14:45] <Daviey> ah
[14:45] <slangasek> and the ISO posted 45 minutes ago
[14:45] <Daviey> bum
[14:45] <slangasek> and another respin would delay roughly 2h
[14:45] <Daviey> i've just ping'd superm1 to see his thoughts
[14:46] <Daviey> This spin certainly hasn't hit our mirrors yet.
[14:46] <slangasek> it's there on cdimage.u.c
[15:11] <Daviey> slangasek: Is there a problem if the shipped ISO is slightly different to the main archive?  (policy, not technically)
[15:12] <slangasek> Daviey: in general, we guard against it because failing to do so can be a license violation in some cases; that's not an issue here, but it's still not something I want us to be in the habit of
[15:13] <Daviey> understood
[15:26] <slangasek> Riddell: will http://kubuntu.org/news/10.04-release be the right url for y'all's announcement?
[15:27] <slangasek> stgraber: will http://edubuntu.org/news/10.04-release be the right url for edubuntu?
[15:27] <Riddell> slangasek: http://kubuntu.org/news/10.04-lts-release  let's keep the marketing people happy
[15:28] <stgraber> slangasek: yep
[15:29] <slangasek> Riddell: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-10.04-desktop-edition and http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-10.04-server-edition say nothing of LTS, but it's your call :)
[15:29] <slangasek> stgraber: great, thanks
[15:30] <Riddell> slangasek: tsk.  I'll keep the lts
[15:36] <slangasek> ScottL: persia has directed me to you for the same question on ubuntustudio - is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/10.04release_notes the plan?
[15:37] <ScottK> I would appreciate it if some archive admin who has a moment would toss "sync 570497 -S unstable" at mass-sync.
[15:39] <ScottK> slangasek: I'm not sure if StevenK just ran out of energy, but there is one removal left to deal with in 568778.
[15:39] <ScottK> If those get done, then I think we're done with ~ubuntu-archive bugs for the cycle.
[15:39] <cjwatson> ScottK: looking
[15:39] <cjwatson> (570497)
[15:40] <ScottK> Thanks.
[15:43] <cjwatson> done
[15:45] <ScottK> Great.
[15:47] <cjwatson> 568778 done too
[15:47] <slangasek> ah, ta
[15:53] <slangasek> ogra: omap respin was done on schedule; ISOs posted now to the tracker as well for imx51, dove
[15:53] <slangasek> GrueMaster, plars: ^^
[15:53] <GrueMaster> slangasek: On it, thanks.
[15:53] <plars> slangasek: awesome, thanks
[15:56] <ScottL> slangasek, i am checking it right now to make sure it's the current one
[15:56] <slangasek> ScottL: currently, nothing exists at that URL
[15:56] <ScottL> slangasek, lol, apparently not as it is empty, i'll get it there :)
[15:56] <slangasek> ok, thanks :)
[15:58] <ScottK> cjwatson: Thanks again.
[16:06] <ScottL> slangasek, ubuntu studio release notes are complete
[16:07] <slangasek> ScottL: thanks!
[16:07] <ScottL> your welcome :)
[16:08] <ogra> slangasek, merci
[16:12] <ScottK> slangasek: I'll be offline for ~9 or 10 hours now.  I'm leaving anjsp in the queue for if you need to stimulate a publisher run.  It fixes the FTBFS, but leaves the package uninstallable, so I'm not worried if it gets in particularly.
[16:13] <slangasek> ScottK: alrighty, thanks :)
[16:30] <slangasek> ttx: EC2 posted
[16:31] <smoser> slangasek, the ec2 build is finished
[16:31] <slangasek> smoser: yep :)
[16:31] <slangasek> smoser: just posted to the tracker, a minute before you joined :)
[16:52] <slangasek> cjwatson: bug #570765
[16:53] <stgraber> slangasek: is edubuntu 20100427.2 a final candidate or is another respin already planned for some reason ?
[16:54] <slangasek> stgraber: final candidate
[16:54] <stgraber> yeah !
[16:54]  * stgraber starts rsyncing
[16:59] <doko> slangasek how are the chances for the final llvm 2.7 upload being accepted?
[16:59] <doko> slangasek: did the valgrind armel pickup work?
[17:00] <slangasek> doko: valgrind armel worked, yes
[17:00] <slangasek> doko: llvm> non-zero chances, it's not on any imagse
[17:00] <slangasek> images
[17:00] <doko> slangasek: ok, then I'll prepare clang and llvm-gcc-4.2 as well
[17:01] <doko> slangasek: I'll try the armel pickup for asis and libgtkada as well
[17:03] <doko> the llvm fix has the "unfortunate" side effect that it increases the build time on ppc, because the testsuite doesn't crash anymore :-/
[18:03] <lamont> slangasek: PaS now updates both places at 15 min past the hour, 24 times a day, modulo summertime shifts
[18:04] <slangasek> lamont: ok, cheers :)
[18:05] <lamont> and some day, I might get around to finding the wiki page to update
[19:20] <ogra> slangasek, since we have no iso tracker entry for it ... omap netbook is good to go
[20:03] <stgraber> slangasek: added 20100427.2 for edubuntu dvd to the tracker so I can enter my results
[20:54] <slangasek> ogra: ok
[20:54] <slangasek> stgraber: ok
[21:04] <stgraber> slangasek: how critical is that grub2 issue reported on iso.qa.ubuntu.com ? Wondering how much effort I should put on the current live images or if I should look at alternate instead.
[21:14] <ara> Riddell, grub is supposed to add Kubuntu as "Kubuntu" or "Ubuntu" as entry?
[22:47] <micahg> for any release people, Seamonkey was uploaded earlier and the builders are idle
[23:31] <charlie-tca> problem with the xubuntu desktop image. 'use the entire disk' partitioning results in all other grub entries not seen except that installation. It doesn't matter how many other installs are present
[23:31] <charlie-tca> Reinstalling with any other partition method allows you to see the other installations again
[23:33] <ajmitch> charlie-tca: like bug 570765 ?
[23:33] <charlie-tca> Except I don't have windows, and it is hardware
[23:34] <charlie-tca> That looks like it, though. Thanks
[23:34] <ajmitch> from the comments it doesn't appear to be specific to having windows
[23:34] <ajmitch> but at least the bug is known & commented on
[23:35] <charlie-tca> and apparently won't be fixed. Since it is marked for release notes
[23:35]  * ajmitch thought the bug for release notes was about the I/O errors being displayed
[23:37] <charlie-tca> I didn't get any errors.