[05:17] <inetpro> good morning
[05:17] <inetpro> Maaz_: tell Kilos slowly but surely we are getting there
[05:17] <Maaz_> inetpro: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[06:53] <Kilos> morning guys
[07:10] <Kilos> Maaz_, you here
[07:11] <Maaz_> Well duh!
[07:11] <Kilos> Maaz_, coffee on
[07:11]  * Maaz_ flips the salt-timer
[07:15] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[07:15] <Kilos> Maaz_, danke\
[07:15] <Maaz_> Kilos: Sorry...
[07:15] <Kilos> Maaz_, danke
[07:15] <Maaz_> Bitteschön
[07:25] <trender> yo oom
[07:44] <magespawn> morning all
[07:44] <Kilos> ohi magespawn hows things
[07:44] <magespawn> good and you?
[07:44] <Kilos> good ty
[07:49] <magespawn> just read the logs, is inetpro moving?
[07:50] <Kilos> ya to new building
[07:50] <magespawn> hectic
[07:50] <Kilos> so new network cables hopefully
[07:50] <Kilos> ya major business
[07:51] <magespawn> all new networking setup if the previous one is old
[07:51] <Kilos> i think he said new
[07:52] <Kilos> already in if i member ok
[07:52] <magespawn> just taking the family into town
[07:52] <Kilos> ok
[07:53] <magespawn> can not chat and drive, too dangerous
[07:53] <Kilos> good
[08:13] <magespawn> right in town
[08:14] <Kilos> has that hotel got an empty area in the middle
[08:14] <Kilos> got some memory coming back but dunno if its there
[08:15] <Kilos> like a place with grass and stuff
[08:16] <magespawn> yes a big open lawn
[08:16] <Kilos> yay
[08:17] <Kilos> that was there before ian was born
[08:17] <Kilos> lol place really has grown hey
[08:28] <magespawn> yup but still a small town in so many ways
[08:33] <magespawn> peopel stall talk about others using their first name and where they stay
[08:33] <Kilos> lol
[08:34] <magespawn> they town was still on rotary telephones and a manual exchange 15 years ago
[08:34] <Kilos> small towns are lekker. everyone knows each other and greet at least
[08:34] <magespawn> you have no secrets and others know your business before you do
[08:34] <Kilos> lol
[08:35] <Kilos> teaches one to keep your nose clean
[08:35] <Kilos> hi Cantide
[08:35] <magespawn> but it is a nice place to stay from the community side of things
[08:35] <Cantide> morning Kilos, magespawn :)
[08:35] <magespawn> if you ever need help all do is pick up the phone
[08:35] <Kilos> yeah i enjoyed it there
[08:35] <magespawn> hey Cantide
[08:47] <magespawn> cat brain | grep "wallet" | locate "last seeen" && wget "groceries" via samantha perry retweet
[08:47] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[08:48] <nlsthzn> hi uncle Kilos
[08:48] <Kilos> meeting tomorrow night hey
[08:48] <nlsthzn> yup, should be able to make it
[09:00] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[09:02] <Vince-0> !
[09:05] <magespawn> hey Vince-0
[09:05] <Vince-0> haay
[09:10] <Vince-0> what's the vibe for this last day of the weekend?
[09:10] <Vince-0> I must catch up on some Maaz commands for tomorrow's meeting
[09:11] <magespawn> relaxed and studying
[09:12] <Kilos> hehe you chairing hey?
[09:12] <Vince-0> yar
[09:12] <Kilos> look in logs for what the monkey used\
[09:12] <Kilos> and write them down
[09:12] <Kilos> hehe
[09:12] <Vince-0> will do
[09:13] <Vince-0> also studying - LPI
[09:13] <Kilos> ah thats good
[09:14] <Vince-0> ya it's about time I got paperwork
[09:15] <Kilos> we actually have a site where there were gonna be classes
[09:15] <Kilos> channel
[09:15] <Vince-0> so the two Comptia Linux+ exams 102 and 102 will get you Linux+, LPI1, Novel Cert admin, Novel data center admin certs
[09:15] <Vince-0> if you get the IDs and forward the results in the right places
[09:17] <Kilos> here was the classroom but the teachers got busy
[09:18] <Kilos>    /j #linux-studies
[09:18] <magespawn> we have a channel set #linux-studies
[09:18] <magespawn> lol
[09:18] <Kilos> maybe the doff students scared the teachers away
[09:20] <Vince-0> you have a site? We have some guys working on a "documentation user group"
[09:20] <Vince-0> they talking about wiki manuals for teaching ues for computer essentials, open ICDL
[09:21] <Kilos> hi Wojciech_Domini
[09:21] <Wojciech_Domini> Hello Kilos
[09:21] <magespawn> and http://linux-studies.za.net
[09:22] <magespawn> i have been following that discussion with interest Vince-0
[09:22] <magespawn> a good idea
[09:23] <Kilos> magespawn, you see that guy that just popped in and out
[09:23] <magespawn> yup
[09:23] <Kilos> goal keeper of arsenal
[09:23] <Vince-0> .pl ! yoh
[09:23] <Vince-0> I thought he just had the same name
[09:24] <Kilos> nope its him
[09:24] <magespawn> thats what i thought too
[09:24] <Cantide> o.o
[09:24] <Vince-0> even to cool people can join IRC
[09:24] <Kilos> from poland
[09:25] <Kilos> they got funny names
[09:26] <Vince-0> magespawn: that site has a link via jumping bean to an updated LPI1
[09:26] <Vince-0> do you know who's maintaining the linux-studies.za.net site?
[09:26] <Kilos> its a wonder they can still move with heavy names like that
[09:26] <magespawn> maybe they say the same about us
[09:26] <Kilos> kbmonkey was
[09:27] <magespawn> Vince-0: kbmonkey i think
[09:27] <Vince-0> oh! I didn't realise
[09:27] <Kilos> Vince-0, add it to the meeting agenda to ask him
[09:27] <Kilos> what client are you using here
[09:28] <Vince-0> Quassel
[09:28] <Kilos> should see the info in topic bar
[09:28] <Kilos>  http://bit.ly/ZmAtlw
[09:30] <Kilos> maybe call it rev the monkey
[09:30] <Vince-0> hmm, I don
[09:30] <Kilos> haha he is online but away
[09:30] <Vince-0> t see my name in the launchpad memebers list
[09:31] <Kilos> you gotta join launchpad
[09:31] <Vince-0> I'm sure I did
[09:31] <Kilos> oh my
[09:31] <Kilos> it expires every 2 years i think
[09:31] <Vince-0> maybe not approved?
[09:31] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:32] <Kilos> go join again
[09:32] <Vince-0> k
[09:34] <Vince-0> done, reading code of conduct
[09:34] <Kilos> hehe
[09:36] <Vince-0> see Canonical is terminating the Brainstorm project
[09:37] <Vince-0> I don't see where to add to the notes
[09:37] <Kilos> um
[09:38] <Vince-0> only create event
[09:39] <Kilos> it looks wrong
[09:39] <Kilos> inetpro, sorts it normally
[09:40] <Kilos> should all be laid out niceley
[09:40] <Vince-0> k, I'll chat with Wesley a bit later - got errands to run!
[09:40] <Kilos> k
[09:44] <Kilos> kbmonkey, ping
[09:45] <magespawn> can you wget from a https link?
[09:46] <Kilos> ya
[09:46] <Kilos> i wgot xubuntu last night
[09:46] <Kilos> used this link
[09:46] <Kilos> http://ftp.dei.uc.pt/pub/linux/xubuntu/releases/12.04/release/xubuntu-12.04.2-desktop-i386.iso
[09:46] <magespawn> i am trying to get papers for wife from unisa
[09:47] <magespawn> and their site is incredibly slow
[09:47] <Kilos> do you have the direct link
[09:47] <Kilos> to the papers
[09:48] <magespawn> yes https://www3.unisa.ac.za/sol/material/ain2601/tl/103_2013_1_e.pdf
[09:49] <Kilos> is that the last link before the download
[09:49] <magespawn> that is the link to open it on their website i think but nothing happens
[09:49] <Kilos> pro taught me to right click the last link and copy paste that to wget
[09:50] <magespawn> okay will try
[09:51] <Kilos> whew very slow that place hey
[09:51] <Kilos> they need network and server upgrades
[09:51] <magespawn> yup and the exam is on tuesday
[09:52] <Kilos> oh my
[09:52] <Kilos> ill try here too
[09:53] <Kilos> took 5 hours to download xubuntu 12.04.2
[09:53] <Kilos> telkom really messed up
[09:54] <magespawn> no need to use your data Kilos
[09:54] <Kilos> how big can papers be
[09:55] <Kilos> if you battle and i win i can paste for you with that bigmailthing
[09:57] <magespawn> i think their site is the problem here Kilos
[09:57] <Kilos> yeah looks like
[10:03] <Kilos> Maaz_, is https://www3.unisa.ac.za/sol/material/ain2601/tl/103_2013_1_e.pdf down
[10:04] <Maaz_> Kilos: Yes, https://www3.unisa.ac.za/sol/material/ain2601/tl/103_2013_1_e.pdf is down (Server is not responding)
[10:04] <Kilos> there magespawn
[10:04] <magespawn> ty K
[10:04] <magespawn> Kilos:
[10:05] <magespawn> hit enter then tab
[10:05] <Kilos> now what you gonna do?
[10:05] <Kilos> whew
[10:05] <magespawn> right before the exam
[10:05] <Kilos> shame
[10:05] <magespawn> there are some student managed sites that have extra info, so we are busy getting what we can from there
[10:06] <Kilos> good luck
[10:11] <magespawn> yup the student wiki site has everything we need, it is not maintained by unisa, so it still works
[10:24] <magespawn> Maaz_ tell nuvolari_ that both sites display fine on the phone
[10:24] <Maaz_> magespawn: Okay, I'll tell nuvolari_ on freenode
[10:24] <magespawn> ty Maaz_
[10:24] <magespawn> Maaz_: ty
[10:24] <Maaz_> You are welcome magespawn
[10:24] <Kilos> whew
[10:25] <Kilos> lucky
[10:25] <magespawn> indeed
[10:42] <Kilos> so now its serious study time for mageness
[10:42] <magespawn> mageness? wife of magespawn?
[10:42] <Kilos> ya
[10:42] <magespawn> ahh right cool
[10:42] <Kilos> magespawness is too long
[10:43] <Kilos> and gotta go delete the ,
[10:43] <nlsthzn> :p
[10:44] <magespawn> half way thorugh her second year to BCom Accounting
[10:44] <nlsthzn> thank goodness for recovery tools... wife deleted a lot of vids one of which was a rare shark sighting... hopefully it is one of those I am getting back
[10:45] <Kilos> what tools you using nlsthzn ?
[10:45] <nlsthzn> oh, windows app...
[10:45] <Kilos> lol
[10:46] <Kilos> shame
[10:46] <nlsthzn> but I know many peeps using linux apps that work well too...
[10:47] <nlsthzn> this specific one is called recuva cause who needs to be able to spell right
[10:47] <Kilos> lol
[10:47] <Kilos> a free app?
[10:48] <Kilos> or pay $49 first
[10:49] <nlsthzn> free
[10:49] <Kilos> wow
[10:49] <nlsthzn> very good company
[10:49] <nlsthzn> make lots of nice free tools
[10:49] <Kilos> not free 30 day trial
[10:49] <nlsthzn> nope
[10:49] <Kilos> wow gonna rain
[10:50] <nlsthzn> cool, seems my netbook can become a nice htpc ... wonder which distro would be best... debian perhaps....
[10:50] <Kilos> whats a htpc
[10:51] <nlsthzn> home theater pc
[10:51]  * nlsthzn got to go..
[10:51] <nlsthzn> bbl
[10:51] <Kilos> go well
[10:51] <magespawn> i am also off home, later all
[10:52] <Kilos> k
[12:37] <nlsthzn> weeeeeeee
[13:39] <Kilos> sup nlsthzn
[14:01] <Kilos> yo Cantide
[14:01] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[14:02] <Cantide> hey~
[14:07] <Kilos> hi Mezenir
[14:08] <Kilos> haha you given up the other nick aalston
[14:13] <nlsthzn> alo agaon
[14:14] <Kilos> what was the weeeee for
[14:19] <nlsthzn> just because
[14:19] <Kilos> lol
[14:21] <Cantide> pooooooooooo
[14:47] <charl> good afternoon
[14:47] <charl> Maaz_: coffee on
[14:47]  * Maaz_ starts grinding coffee
[14:47] <Kilos> hi charl
[14:49] <Vince-0> hi
[14:49] <charl> hi Kilos, Vince-0
[14:50] <Vince-0> I'm reading a bit about the 1304 Ubuntu UDS
[14:51] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for charl!
[14:51] <charl> Maaz_: thanks
[14:51] <Maaz_> charl: Okay :-)
[14:51] <Vince-0> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/ .Anyone following that?
[14:53] <charl> Vince-0: what's that about?
[14:55] <Vince-0> Ubuntu Dev Summit last few days
[14:56] <charl> oh i see, it's been the past week
[14:56] <charl> no have not followed it
[14:56] <charl> am busy watching this, very interesting to see what people want to use google glasses for: http://tweakers.net/video/7702/google-glass-ontwikkelaars-over-hun-aankomende-apps.html
[14:58] <charl> do any of you guys use openpgp?
[14:58] <charl> guys/girls
[16:27] <georgelappies> hi Kilos, how was the weekend?
[17:29] <Kilos> good ty georgelappies
[17:29] <Kilos> evening guys
[17:30] <Kilos> how was yours georgelappies
[17:30] <Kilos> wow 46 nicks
[17:32] <Kilos> hi aquarat
[17:38] <charl> hi smile4ever
[17:38] <charl> long time no speak to, how's it going
[17:39] <smile4ever> hi :) i went to paris
[17:39] <charl> very nice, how was it?
[17:39] <smile4ever> and I was very tired when I came back ;)
[17:39] <smile4ever> It was good :)
[17:39] <smile4ever> we helped homeless people
[17:40] <charl> wow, amazing
[17:40] <charl> url?
[17:40] <charl> i want to go to paris this summer to go to this place: http://www.dernierbar.com/en/
[17:41] <charl> here's some pictures: http://www.flickr.com/photos/airelle-info/sets/72157630024847747/
[17:45] <charl> this is one of my favourites: http://www.flickr.com/photos/airelle-info/7965891346/in/set-72157630024847747/
[17:46] <charl> this is also genius: http://www.flickr.com/photos/airelle-info/8132520618/in/set-72157630024847747/
[18:04] <georgelappies> was nice thanks Kilos
[18:04] <smile4ever> charl: makadam café I think
[18:04] <smile4ever> nice pics, charl
[18:05] <smile4ever> http://macadamcafe.hautetfort.com/
[18:08] <Kilos> Maaz_, announce Monthly meeting tomorrow night @ 19.30 be here
[18:08] <Maaz_> Hear ye, hear ye! Monthly meeting tomorrow night @ 19.30 be here
[18:08] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[18:08] <Kilos> whats happened the agenda page that one dont see where to add items
[18:13] <Kilos> do we sue the monkey?
[18:14] <Kilos> nuvolari_, waar is jy?
[18:14] <Kilos> grrr
[18:25] <Vince-0> *playing neverwinter
[18:28] <Kilos> Vince-0, did you see the monkey?
[18:28] <Kilos> grrr
[18:28] <Vince-0> negative
[18:28] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:29] <Kilos> the agenda used to be listed and numbered and there was a place to post now i see nothing to add
[18:29] <Kilos> grrr
[18:30] <Kilos> you have to remember what to add at the meet
[18:30] <Kilos> write it down
[18:36] <smile4ever> bye
[18:36] <smile4ever> :)
[18:36] <Kilos> night smile4ever
[18:37] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:37] <Kilos> meeting tomorrow night hey
[18:37] <smile4ever> :D
[18:37] <smile4ever> thanks
[19:29] <Vince-0> im out!
[19:30] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:59] <nlsthzn> good night all
[20:49] <kbmonkey> hello all
[20:53] <Cantide> hello :)
[20:53] <Symmetria> lo all
[20:53]  * Symmetria snores and waits while photoshop thinks
[20:54] <Symmetria> heh, no matter how fast your machine is, certain things take *forever*
[20:54] <Cantide> lol
[20:55] <Symmetria> told photoshop to combine 18 23meg raw images into a single HDR image
[20:55] <Symmetria> heh, it takes like 15 - 30 minutes to align them properly even on my machine, and its eating 15gigs of ram ;p
[20:56] <Cantide> o_O
[21:04] <kbmonkey> I bet imagemagick can do that faster
[21:05] <Symmetria> heh I wouldnt bet on it, careful alignment of raw images into hdr takes time
[21:28] <charl> hi kbmonkey, Cantide, Symmetria
[21:29] <Cantide> hallo, charl :)
[21:29] <charl> how's it going
[21:29] <charl> do you people have tomorrow holiday as well?
[21:29] <Cantide> i have to work -.-v
[21:30] <Cantide> it is going well!! except a particle engine has just got the better of me
[21:30] <Cantide> will brb
[21:30] <charl> particle engine what?
[21:31] <Symmetria> charl where is it a holiday?
[21:32] <kbmonkey> hi charl. please tell me it is a public holiday in south africa tomorrow!
[21:32] <Cantide> ah, i'm just doing a little Lua programming
[21:32] <kbmonkey> Cantide, what engine?
[21:32] <kbmonkey> oh lua, neat :)
[21:33] <Symmetria> http://www.flickr.com/photos/95680965@N04/8755513374/sizes/l/in/set-72157633494536721/ <[21:33] <Symmetria> actually looks pretty decent
[21:34] <charl> Symmetria: it's the second day of pentecost
[21:34] <Cantide> kbmonkey, LOVE2D
[21:34] <charl> Symmetria: it's a national holiday in many european countries
[21:34] <Symmetria> hrm, know if its a holiday in the UK?
[21:34] <Symmetria> ;p I wanna know if my clients are gonna wake me up in the morning or not haha
[21:34] <charl> no idea
[21:35] <Symmetria> nah in the UK next one is 27th May
[21:36] <Symmetria> anyway :) gnight
[21:37] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecost#Public_holiday
[21:38] <charl> the uk isn't on that list


[03:42] <phaedral> ping
[03:43] <len-dt> phaedral, pong
[03:44] <phaedral> Howdy. Just committed my newest machine to ubuntustudio. Thought I'd drop in and listen and learn.
[03:45] <len-dt> Generally pretty quiet here.
[03:45] <len-dt> Feel free to hang around though.
[03:46] <phaedral> Makes sense. Used to run a couple education bots back in '05, part of my law school study program.
[03:46] <len-dt> #opensourcemusicians probably has more traffic
[03:47] <len-dt> Normally though Lots of people leave the irc on and read any back stuff, so if you ask a question leave it on as long as you can.
[03:47] <len-dt> People do respond sooner or later.
[03:47] <phaedral> Perfect.
[03:48] <phaedral> I'm a long time irc user. Patience and manners fix almost everything in time.
[04:39] <phaedral> exit
[04:39] <phaedral> grr
[13:05] <KiteHawk> Anyone know about ubuntu 12.04 and airtime/mixxx/jack setup?
[13:08] <len-dt> KiteHawk, after some playing around.. I found I could run mixxx on one machine but not the other.
[13:09] <len-dt> My desk top video card/driver seems to have problems with mixxx
[13:10] <len-dt> So if I run it on my netbook, it starts and runs fine... but the screen is not big enough to see all the controls.
[13:11] <holstein> when i tried mixxx years ago i got it working no problem
[13:11] <holstein> KiteHawk: i would go one at a time
[13:11] <KiteHawk> hmmm
[13:11] <len-dt> however my desktop with the old nvidia running nouveau as a driver
[13:11] <len-dt> it fails.
[13:11] <holstein> get JACK running and working stable
[13:11] <KiteHawk> interesting thanks for the feedback
[13:11] <holstein> then, move on to mixxx
[13:12] <KiteHawk> i'm wandering if 10.04 can do better with mixx
[13:12] <holstein> also, consider something that doesnt use JACK, or something else
[13:12] <holstein> im using 10.04, but i wouldnt take a step back just yet
[13:12] <holstein> what are you trying to do?
[13:12] <holstein> idjc is nice as well
[13:12] <KiteHawk> i finally got jack running but mixxx is what i need for a live stream
[13:14] <holstein> of? .. i use BUTT, and idjc ...theres several other options
[13:14] <holstein> darkice
[13:15] <holstein> theres nonjack options like ustream
[13:16] <holstein> i would ask the mixxx folks how to force it on unsupported graphics cards, or try different graphics drivers
[13:17] <KiteHawk> i have on board graphics and im trying to setup internet radio station. i had it working with vlc but it would randomly crash occasionally
[13:18] <KiteHawk> how to contact the mixxx folks?
[13:18] <holstein> http://www.mixxx.org/contact/ maybe ... or #mixxx
[13:19] <holstein> id send an email and try idjc while you wait
[13:20] <KiteHawk> thanks #mixxx is there should have tried that tnx
[13:20] <len-dt> I have heard that the old nv drivers are more stable, but lack any accelleration.
[13:21] <len-dt> I have been thinking I should mess  around with this stuff, but I have too much else to do right now.
[13:22] <holstein> i would also try a version ahead, and behind
[13:25] <KiteHawk> lol thanks. yes it looks like i might be going down to 10.04. Should i load studio this time?
[13:26] <KiteHawk> I've loaded studio before and it seemed like it had a bunch of extra stuff that i dont need in it
[13:27] <len-dt> ubuntustudio is ubuntu. so you can do vanilla and add studio metas... but if you are doing 10.04 you can choose not to install everything.
[13:28] <len-dt> However I think holstein was talking about version of mixxx
[13:29] <KiteHawk> yes i understand and not to skip around but i did jump subjects there a little
[13:31] <KiteHawk> Nothing back from mixxx yet i'll let you know what they say
[13:56] <holstein> yeah, i would try an older version of mixxx, and the latest from the site
[13:56] <holstein> KiteHawk: ^
[13:56] <holstein> i am using 10.04, but i wouldnt jump back to it for mixxx
[14:07] <KiteHawk> well i spent 3 days loading the new 12.04 and i don't mind spending another to load 10.04
[14:07] <KiteHawk> i saw tutorials on loading everthing i wanted but they didn't pan out with my architecture i guess
[14:08] <holstein> KiteHawk: sure.. but you are having a graphics card driver issue it seems.. you go back to 10.04, you could have a more challening time
[14:09] <KiteHawk> internal graphics in this case.
[14:09] <KiteHawk> strange that graphics would be the trouble
[14:09] <holstein> KiteHawk: doesnt really matter where or what
[14:09] <holstein> the driver is the issue
[14:09] <KiteHawk> actually maybe i could just go to gnome and my drivers might be more available
[14:10] <holstein> could be some random intel GPU, just outside the scope of support.. or a brand new nvidia card thats not supported yet
[14:10] <holstein> KiteHawk: nope.. drivers are just that
[14:10] <holstein> nothing to do with the DE
[14:10] <holstein> ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu.. and the kernel is the kernel
[14:10] <holstein> drivers tha can be included generally are included
[14:10] <KiteHawk> so all systems look at my graphics the same?
[14:11] <holstein> sometimes different distros support different things, depending on licensing restrictions
[14:11] <holstein> sometimes device support gets dropped after a certain time
[14:11] <holstein> you can always add this upport back in
[14:12] <KiteHawk> so i need to research my architecture a lil more
[14:13] <holstein> KiteHawk: i would also try the generic kernel.. would probably fit your needs with audio just fine, and might be friendlier for your graphics
[14:13] <holstein> is it nvidia?
[14:13] <KiteHawk> yes i need no xtra graphics just enough to run the wave displays.
[14:14] <KiteHawk> it doesn't see any available drivers for it
[14:14] <holstein> KiteHawk: its not an issue of "extra".. its an issue of support
[14:14] <KiteHawk> so its just the generic whatever ubunutu 12.04 comes with
[14:14] <holstein> if mixxx is requiring 3d acceleration, then you'll need drivers that support that
[14:14] <KiteHawk> o damn i didn't know mixxx needed that support
[14:15] <holstein> KiteHawk: have you tried idjc?
[14:15] <holstein> KiteHawk: is it an nvidia?
[14:15] <len-dt> holstein, I suspect it tries to use accell if it is there. The free driver will tell the program it's there. Maybe a driver with no accell will work better.
[14:15] <holstein> there should be an argument to get around it
[14:15] <holstein> to turn it off
[14:16] <holstein> it shouldnt need it... require it
[14:16] <holstein> mixxx that is...
[14:16] <holstein> i just found it busy and cluttered...
[14:16] <holstein> but, im not a DJ, and i dont need a monolithic app to allow that functionality
[14:16] <KiteHawk> yes it seems we would want to have the option to allocate most of the resources to audio?
[14:17] <holstein> darkice lets me stream anything to icecast through JACK
[14:17] <KiteHawk> all i need is to get a stream through airtime
[14:17] <KiteHawk> darkice?
[14:17] <holstein> KiteHawk: that wont be an issue.. you just need the UI to load without trying 3d accell
[14:17] <KiteHawk> yes
[14:18] <holstein> KiteHawk: darkice, BUTT, idjc.. these are some options i much prefer to mixxx
[14:18] <holstein> but, im no DJ... so if you need mixxx, you need it.. though i would just wait on a response from a mixxx user about how to disable 3d
[14:18] <KiteHawk> sweet thanks for the heads up i saw the idjc but hadnt tried it yet
[14:19] <KiteHawk> BUTT?
[14:19] <holstein> http://butt.sourceforge.net/
[14:19] <KiteHawk> do i need all three or are they three different options?
[14:19] <holstein> KiteHawk: you dont "need" any of this, right? ;)
[14:20] <holstein> these are different options, that do different things
[14:20] <holstein> BUTTT doesnt use JACK
[14:20] <holstein> if i dont need the overhead, i dont bother
[14:20] <holstein> i have literally had JACK running on one machine, and sent the audio out through a cable analog to another machine running BUTT without JACK
[14:20] <holstein> i have used netjack to slave one to the other
[14:21] <holstein> i have just used idjc to do it all
[14:22] <KiteHawk> least amount of hassel overhead resource yet still accomplishing streaming internet radio station. I used vlc but it was a lil glitchy when it came to holding a stream seemed to drop off occasionally
[14:22] <holstein> sure, but that could be on the server-sid
[14:22] <holstein> side*
[14:22] <holstein> i would try BUTT, or something easy and send *anything* to that server to test
[14:22] <holstein> in the meantime, you are waiting on a answer about 3d from the mixxx folks
[14:23] <KiteHawk> so its BUTT>Icecast>airtime?
[14:23] <holstein> otherwise, you spend a couple more days troubleshooting mixxx, and find out its a server issue
[14:23] <holstein> KiteHawk: i have not used airtime
[14:23] <holstein> i have my own icecast server
[14:24] <holstein> im not saying, "i havent heard of airtime, so it must be the issue", but i am implying that
[14:24] <KiteHawk> well airtime connects to icecast so that shouldnt b a problem as long as BUTT connects to Icecast
[14:25] <holstein> BUTT does that
[14:25] <KiteHawk> yes i better research a lil more about BUTT to Airtime
[14:25] <holstein> and without JACK.. and stable
[14:25] <holstein> though, i havent used it on 12.04
[14:26] <KiteHawk> i like that it is w out jack something about jack makes me leary
[14:26] <holstein> we got really into streaming in #opensourcemusicians a few years ago.. now i just dont bother..
[14:26] <holstein> KiteHawk: JACK is great.. but if its overkill, its overkill
[14:26] <holstein> if you dont need it, you dont need it...
[14:27] <KiteHawk> yes im doing it for a small community of musicians its fun we webcast our minishows
[14:27] <KiteHawk> does jack improve audio quality above and beyond others?
[14:27] <holstein> KiteHawk: i you dont need it, you dont need it.. its really that simple
[14:28] <holstein> you dont need anything in realtime to stream
[14:28] <holstein> you dont need it to support anything, so if you can get by without it, go for it
[14:28] <KiteHawk> yes i need realtime streaming cause of the live shows
[14:28] <holstein> KiteHawk: you dont
[14:28] <holstein> KiteHawk: realtime would be for this
[14:29] <holstein> you have a midi keyboard.. you play a note, and you want the sound to happen *exactly* when you hit the key
[14:29] <holstein> not 20ms later
[14:29] <holstein> for you... you will have the stream streaming ideally somewhere at less than a minute behind you
[14:29] <holstein> and that'll be network latency
[14:29] <holstein> hardware latency is not something you need to be worried about
[14:30] <holstein> who cares if it takes 3 seconds for the audio to "go through the computer"
[14:30] <KiteHawk> slightly behind is fine
[14:30] <holstein> KiteHawk: slightly is not an option
[14:30] <KiteHawk> ya i agree
[14:30] <holstein> KiteHawk: best we got was using mumble.. running our own servers
[14:30] <holstein> icecast was stable, and typically less than a minute latency
[14:30] <holstein> but, thats not important to a stream anyway
[14:31] <KiteHawk> yeah im not trying to jam across the internet :)
[14:31] <holstein> you *will* get network latency, and the hardware latency you would get in a worst case scenario will be a non issue
[14:31] <holstein> you dont need JACK
[14:32] <holstein> can you use JACK? sure.. is JACK your problem? no
[14:33] <KiteHawk> thanks. Ok i think i might start with a fresh install should i go with ubuntu studio or just ubuntu or what framework is best for this specific use?
[14:33] <holstein> i would get anything running in something simple like BUTT and make sure its not a server issue
[14:33] <holstein> KiteHawk: ubunstudio *is* ubuntu
[14:33] <holstein> KiteHawk: ubuntustudio uses XFCE, and is more closely similar to xubuntu in look and feel
[14:34] <holstein> we all use the same repos, and have the same access to the same resources
[14:34] <holstein> KiteHawk: i would literally go with which ever one works
[14:34] <KiteHawk> yes but there is a reason for the different distributions yes?
[14:35] <holstein> sure.. its a better fit "out of the box" for someone doing audio production
[14:35] <KiteHawk> yes which one is the most streamlined with least amount of extras/
[14:35] <holstein> KiteHawk: depends on the extras
[14:35] <holstein> ubuntustudio is more streamlined in some ways, but has more software installed
[14:35] <KiteHawk> audio centric ubuntu?
[14:36] <holstein> KiteHawk: not just audio, but yes
[14:36] <holstein> KiteHawk: you can make ubuntu into ubuntustudio
[14:36] <holstein> you can install ubuntu, and add what you want to it from the ubuntustudio packages
[14:36] <KiteHawk> thats what im looking for is a audio machine desktop install
[14:37] <holstein> gtg... good luck!
[14:37] <KiteHawk> k i was just trying to figure out if i needed anything out of studio or if its ready togo from ubuntu 12.04 w out studio
[14:37] <KiteHawk> Thanks so Much :holstein!!!! Big help
[19:41] <vaev> hello. I would like to talk about alsa-pulseaudio-jack connectivity, how it's done and what problems have been encountered in ubuntu studio, with someone who's been there working with it
[19:42] <vaev> not related to ubuntu studio support directly tho
[19:46] <vaev> I'm gathering experiences on a certain showstopper situation in loading jackd first with alsa-plugins -> pulseaudio present, crashing jackd when pa tries to create a sink as a jack client
[19:47] <vaev> if this has been encountered please let me know, I'll be hanging around :)
[19:56] <Kitehawk> Hello
[20:25] <ailo> vaev: Ubuntu Studio gets those packages directly from Debian, but we do put some effort in testing them, and reporting bugs, etc
[20:27] <ailo> vaev: What do you mean by alsa-plugins?
[20:35] <vaev> ailo: alsa-plugins (from upstream) is a set of modules enabling alsa to create virtual devices that connect to other audio backends
[20:35] <vaev> like pulseaudio or jack
[20:41] <ailo> vaev: You have a link to how that works?
[20:42] <vaev> what do you mean?
[20:43] <vaev> I don't have a link as such, but this is the upstream package that enables alsa aware applications to connect to pa or jack, for example, if so configured
[20:44] <ailo> vaev: What's the name of the package?
[20:46] <ailo> libasound2-plugins?
[20:46] <vaev> hmm? alsa-plugins. I don't know how it's named in apt world.
[20:46] <vaev> probably yeah
[20:46] <vaev> like I said this is not directly ubuntu studio support, I'm looking for info on how ubuntu studio has worked with alsa-pulseaudio-jack scheme
[20:47] <Len-nb> vaev, when set up right it works very well even on minimal hardware like this netbook
[20:47] <ailo> vaev: Could you give me an example of what apps you use?
[20:48] <Len-nb> I have tried as many as I could in the name of testing.
[20:48] <ailo> Len-nb: I think he's talking about a specific issue related to alsa plugins
[20:48] <Len-nb> alsa plugins?
[20:48] <vaev> ailo: we're not talking in the sound producing applications level yet, just the sound daemons
[20:48] <vaev> Len-nb: I'll paste what I wrote earlier:
[20:49] <vaev> 22:44 < vaev> I'm gathering experiences on a certain showstopper situation in loading jackd first with alsa-plugins -> pulseaudio present, crashing jackd when pa tries to create a sink as a jack client
[20:49] <vaev> and wondering if ubuntu studio had encountered this in developement
[20:50] <Len-nb> I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by alsa plugins... sometimes I can be dense or tired.
[20:50] <vaev> Len-nb: in apt world it might be this libasound2-plugins that ailo mentioned
[20:51] <vaev> it's called alsa-plugins package by alsa-project itself
[20:51] <Len-nb> Ah, I'll look.
[20:51] <ailo> vaev: You mean, starting jack doesn't work, if there is something connected to pulseaudio?
[20:51] <ailo> Len-nb: It's a part of libasound2-plugins
[20:52] <ailo> Len-nb: Give us the error message from jack, when it fails to staret
[20:52] <ailo> start*
[20:52] <Len-nb> I have not had jack fail to start.
[20:52] <vaev> ailo: I'm talking about jackd crashing, when there's a /usr/lib64/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_pulse.so present, which is apparently loaded regardless of settings if pulseaudio is present. it starts pulseaudio which in turn is configured to start jackd, which segfaults when the first sink connects
[20:53] <ailo> Len-nb: Sorry :)
[20:54] <vaev> so it's sort of a cyclic, brain-melting thingie here :)
[20:54] <ailo> vaev: I'm not makings sense of that. Pulseaudio configured to start jackd?
[20:55] <vaev> yes. pulseaudio starts jackd is it's explicitly configured to load module-jack-sink or -source on startup
[20:55] <Len-nb> Ok,  libasound2-plugins is installed by default. pulse runs all the time. when jackdbus starts, pulse connects it self to jack
[20:55] <vaev> tries to start or to connect to an existing jack in this case, which segfaults
[20:55] <Len-nb> At least that is what happens here.
[20:55] <vaev> Len-nb: okay.. that's the default ubuntu studio scenario?
[20:56] <Len-nb> yes
[20:56] <vaev> that would mean that pa is suspended while jack is loaded and then resumed to connect to jack
[20:56] <Len-nb> pulse should not try to start jack
[20:56] <vaev> so a different scenario altogether
[20:57] <Len-nb> as far as I know pulse does not suspend at this point of jack starting
[20:57] <Len-nb> I have found pulse jack works best if pulse is configured to have the audio IF that jack uses turned off
[20:57] <ailo> Not when using jackdbus, and the pulseaudio-module-jack is presetn
[20:58] <vaev> hmm okay I see what you mean now
[20:59] <ailo> If using jackd, it won't be able to use the pa sinks
[20:59] <Len-nb> ailo, right. in fact is pulse is playing a file through the device jack uses, that stream is blocked when jack starts
[20:59] <ailo> So, it will just grab the card, if available
[20:59] <ailo> jackd won't start, if the card is not available
[21:00] <vaev> ailo: in this scenario we're not using pulseaudio's dbus autodetect to connect, but explicitly loading module-jack-sink to connect with specified parameteres
[21:00] <Len-nb> the only jack crash problem we have had is with trying to _stop_ jackdbus, but that is a problem even with pulse turned off
[21:00] <Len-nb> vaev, are you using a firewire device?
[21:00] <vaev> in any case, thanks for the answers. ubuntu studio is not using the approach I'm looking for, based on them
[21:02] <vaev> Len-nb: nope. this is quite directly related to how alsa's pa plugin initiates pa if it's not running which in turn (in this case) crashes jackd if it's running already, by explicit loading of the related modules
[21:04] <vaev> funnily enough if pulseaudio is started first, everything is peachy
[21:05] <vaev> anyway, thanks again for your time gents. I'll continue hunting for a solution, but unfortunately how you guys have implemented it is a different case altogether
[21:05] <Len-nb> sorry about that.
[21:05] <Len-nb> have fun
[21:05] <Len-nb> Oh and tell us how it goes.
[21:06] <vaev> will do. I'll hang around here :)
[21:08] <vaev> in case you're wondering why I'm trying to run such a strange setup..
[21:09] <vaev> I'm looking for approaches to make a manageable, generic and documented setup for gentoo that works in all-round (desktop and proaudio) usage
[21:10] <vaev> that isn't limited to my own use case, which is working already
[21:10] <Len-nb> vaev, Ya its hard. we are facing the same thing, just going about it different.
[21:14] <vaev> yeah hehe. and try to approach any one of the three, alsa pa or jack about something like this..any one of them will direct you to the other two :)
[21:14] <Len-nb> When I first tried pulse-jack bridging I was ready to throw out pulse all together.
[21:15] <Len-nb> but firewire has to have it for a lot of desktop stuff
[21:16] <vaev> it has worked rather well for me as long as pulse gets to call the shots (start first)..aside from having to patch pulse to allow multiple sinks to connect to jack. but that's another story altogether..
[23:35] <KiteHawk> well i just finished loading a new install of kubuntu as well as airtime and mixxx. It was a success with one small exception. No Sound!


[00:17] <bobo123> hi MK`: you have quite a big harddisk there :-)
[00:17] <MK`> lool
[00:17] <MK`> It's a 750 GB drive for the record :p
[00:18] <MK`> er, 500 GB! And the ubuntu partition is a fraction of that
[00:19] <MK`> It appears to be the /proc folder being read as 128 TB
[00:19] <bobo123> I can imagine a future in then years or so where we look back to the "good old 2012 when the puny little 128TB seems really big"  ;-)
[00:20] <MK`> Heh
[00:20] <bobo123> *ten years
[00:20] <MK`> I still have an old 15 GB harddrive around
[00:20] <MK`> came with a PC that had a 533 MHz processor and 64 MB ram
[00:23] <bobo123> I suppose you run win98 on that one though... not give me 512MB ram or I won't install-ubuntu :-)
[00:23] <MK`> Worse: Windows ME
[00:24] <MK`> It *literally* crashed more than once a week
[00:25] <bobo123> oh.. winME was horrible. I think there is some win98-with-only-the-good-parts-of-ME now though.
[00:26] <MK`> That'd be nice
[00:26] <MK`> I installed ubuntu on that 15GB HD recently; it's an old HD so it's read/write noise is louder, gives me BSOD flashbacks
[00:29] <bobo123> yeah some old hard disks can be really noisy... I had one that once an hour or so starts to squeak for a couple of seconds
[00:33] <MK`> heh
[00:33] <MK`> This one sounds like it's sort of gargling
[00:33] <MK`> anytime it does any reading or writing
[00:33] <MK`> it's loud enough to be noticeable but not loud enough to be a nuisance
[00:35] <bobo123> hehehe.... I think you should invest in a new harddisk for you ubuntu :-) if you still have that old 64MB pc running you should probably go to http://www.msfn.org/board/forum/8-windows-959898seme/ or rather the "Windows 9x Member Projects" subforum there
[00:35] <MK`> Hah no I gutted that thing
[00:35] <MK`> I installed DSL on it to see how it ran but it was too slow. It ran quite slow with ME on it already
[00:36] <MK`> I am one of the lucky few who runs ubuntu with a floppy drive now though :)
[00:36] <bobo123> ohhh.. floppy-ubunt???
[00:36] <MK`> lol, I haven't used the drive yet
[00:36] <MK`> but it's there, with it's cute little twisted IDE cable
[00:37] <bobo123> on the other hand, windows2.0 was possible to run from two 1.2MB floppys (no harddisk needed) I think....
[00:39] <MK`> I don't think I can sell a 64 MB DDR1 ram chip, I should probably chuck it
[00:39] <bobo123> yeah I love floppys, but don't use them quite as often anymore... I have 500 floppys or with nice litte dos games and windows3-applications on them in a couple of boxes that I have thought that I should really read in and save on a dvd or so... later.
[00:40] <MK`> I have several myself, but they aren't formatted for windows. I think they were for the old, old tandy we used to have
[00:41] <bobo123> Hmm.. yeah a 64MB-dimm is probably too small to save.... if it had been 128MB though you should save it and donate it to someone that only have 64MB
[00:41] <MK`> lol
[00:42] <MK`> The giant CRT monitor I threw out
[00:42] <bobo123> ohh.. tandy :-D
[00:42] <MK`> it was getting to hot too fast
[00:42] <MK`> too*
[00:43] <bobo123> i used an apple][+ with the enourmous amount of 64KB memory. The strange thing is that it was enough.... and the 120KB floppys was enough to store the programs on... why do the operatingsystem need gigabytes now?
[00:44] <bobo123> but we didn't downloaded the latest movie to the computer then of course....
[00:45] <MK`> i wonder if there's a moore's law for software bloat
[00:45] <bobo123> hehehe. probably!
[00:48] <bobo123> I wonder if there are tandy emulators.....
[00:50] <bobo123> anyway, I guess we floated away from the subject: yes if ubuntu filemanager (Nautilus) says you have 128 TB then it has a bug, there is some bug-reporting webpage that you can fill in....
[00:51] <MK`> heh
[00:55] <MK`> That and my internet activity light is on when I have no connection
[00:56] <MK`> I think it's working opposite to the way it's supposed to. Blinking off when they is activity
[00:58] <MK`> there is*
[03:12]  * UndiFineD waves at mortiy
[03:12] <UndiFineD> feel free join #ubuntu-beginners-team as well
[04:32] <kristian-aalborg> hmm, the uvesafb freed up a lot of memory and made everything go faster... but it seems like it might be a bit less stable?
[05:26] <MK`> How can I get temp sensors on my laptop? sensors-detect didn't find any
[09:17] <aztek> :-D
[18:08] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[18:08] <compaq17_> my ubuntu installer keeps hanging, doesn't finish install
[18:08] <bioterror> start it again
[18:08] <kristian-aalborg> compaq17_: tried nomodeset option?
[18:08] <compaq17_> ha, started it a 1,000 times
[18:08] <compaq17_> wassat?
[18:08] <kristian-aalborg> where does it hang?
[18:09] <holstein> compaq17_: if you get a chance, try wiping the disc
[18:09] <holstein> its a long shot though
[18:10] <holstein> test the disc too*
[18:10] <kristian-aalborg> try another install disk
[18:10] <compaq17_> i've reformatted the disc multiple times; hangs at the user info page
[18:10] <compaq17_> i've used multiple install disks
[18:10] <holstein> compaq17_: how?
[18:10] <bioterror> use the alternate installer ;)
[18:10] <compaq17_> what's the alternate installer?
[18:11] <holstein> yeah, thats a good next step
[18:11] <bioterror> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/alternative-download
[18:11] <compaq17_> where can I find the install log?
[18:12] <holstein> compaq17_: there are some nice tools for that in the alternate installer
[18:12] <holstein> if it fails
[18:12] <compaq17_> ok; does it matter that I'm installing on a laptop?
[18:12] <bioterror> should not
[18:12] <bioterror> as you got into desktop
[18:13] <compaq17_> ok, i have the alternate installer site so I"ll try that.
[18:13] <compaq17_> thanks
[18:14] <holstein> compaq17_: if the alternate fails
[18:14] <holstein> try and come back
[18:14] <holstein> leaving it right there running
[18:14] <holstein> where it fails
[18:15] <compaq17_> ok, thanks
[18:16] <kristian-aalborg> I have the weird staircase boot syndrome
[19:19] <kristian-aalborg> omg I had wireless working in minutes... something's wrong with the universe! ;)
[19:19] <holstein> UKT! :)
[19:58] <KinkyPinkie>  hey! anyone know of a problem with networking not starting automatically on 10.04? and maybe how to solve?
[20:00] <bioterror> describe more
[20:00] <KinkyPinkie> after shutting the lid on the laptop and the pc goes into sleep, it wont recover from the sleep and the networking wont work properly
[20:03] <KinkyPinkie> the easy fix is ofc to disable sleep
[20:03] <kristian-aalborg> bugger, I forgot how to add a ppa... I need the PPA version of ncmpcpp
[20:08] <bioterror> KinkyPinkie, what kind of laptop you have?
[20:09] <KinkyPinkie> i'ts an old Advent 7201, elongs to my fiend
[20:09] <KinkyPinkie> friend ;D
[20:09] <Duhza> hey why is it when i have a mac that has a 2.4ghz prosseser and 4g of ram it only says that i have 2.7 gb of ram and 2.00ghz
[20:12] <bioterror> Duhza, do you have 64bit linux?
[20:12] <Duhza> idk
[20:12] <Duhza> why
[20:12] <bioterror> becouse 32bit cant handle over 3GB
[20:12] <Duhza> i think 32
[20:12] <Duhza> ohhhhhh
[20:12] <Duhza> is there an easy way to upgrade
[20:12] <bioterror> "oh well pae kernel blaa blaa" but still not the same
[20:12] <bioterror> Duhza, yeah, reinstall
[20:14] <charlie-tca__> Duhza: there is a amd64-mac version of natty
[20:14] <Duhza> oh is there a way where i can keep all my files
[20:14] <charlie-tca__> did you install a separate /home partition?
[20:14] <Duhza> no
[20:14] <Duhza> i mean its the one i set up to start out wiht
[20:15] <charlie-tca__> Back up, and during the install, use manual partitioning and do not check "format"
[20:15] <charlie-tca__> It should the /home files alone, then.
[20:15] <Duhza> ok
[20:15] <Duhza> so no format
[20:15] <charlie-tca__> You will install to the same directory, just do not format it
[20:15] <Duhza> and backup is just so i dont lose everything
[20:22] <Duhza> ami right
[20:28] <charlie-tca__> right. In case something does go wrong, you don't lose things
[20:31] <Duhza> ok i dont need that
[20:32] <holstein> KinkyPinkie: are you up to date?
[20:32] <holstein> i havent seen that in a long time
[20:32] <holstein> but i have a wireless card in peppermintOS (lucid based) that wont wake after standby
[20:32] <holstein> im using ndiswrapper with it
[20:33] <holstein> bioterror: you think the PAE kernel is a bad idea for Duhza ?
[20:33] <bioterror> holstein, I would go for the real 64bit os
[20:33] <KinkyPinkie> holstein: what you mean up to date?
[20:34] <holstein> Duhza: you could always try the PAE kernel before reinstalling
[20:34] <holstein> its easy :)
[20:34] <holstein> *easier
[20:34] <Duhza> what is PAE
[20:34] <bioterror> !pae
[20:35] <bioterror> :(
[20:35] <holstein> Duhza: its a way to utilize the memory
[20:35] <holstein> in a 32bit install
[20:35] <holstein> but, a 64bit install is preferred usually
[20:35] <Duhza> i think 64 bit would be better
[20:35] <holstein> really depends
[20:36] <UndiFineD> often needed to use VMs on 32bit
[20:36] <holstein> Duhza: there are still some 'gotchas' with 64bit
[20:36] <Duhza> ?
[20:36] <holstein> flash is aruably worse
[20:36] <holstein> assuming you care about that
[20:36] <bioterror> there's 64bit flash
[20:36] <holstein> and i use lightscribe
[20:36] <holstein> and that is 32bit only
[20:36] <holstein> *64bit support is better all the time though
[20:37] <Duhza> i only need screen unzip java xampp and my sexy body
[20:37] <holstein> go for it
[20:37] <holstein> im just saying right now
[20:38] <Duhza> yes
[20:38] <holstein> you run sudo apt-get install linux-generic-pae
[20:38] <holstein> and you can try that kernel
[20:38] <Duhza> i think 64bit would be better
[20:38] <holstein> probably takes about 3 minutes or so
[20:38] <holstein> including the reboot
[20:38] <holstein> the reinstall i think will take 30
[20:39] <holstein> and you can always do the reinstall after that
[20:40] <holstein> KinkyPinkie: i was thinking there might be a kernel update or firmware update your install could benefit from
[20:41] <KinkyPinkie>       i am trying to install proprietary display driver forom ati now
[20:41] <holstein> KinkyPinkie: yeah?
[20:42] <holstein> im not sure if that will help with the wireless recovering from sleep...
[20:42] <KinkyPinkie> having read i think  every thread on the subject, seems like the most plausible fix
[20:42] <holstein> plausible
[20:42] <holstein> there was a patch for a VIA chip i have
[20:42] <holstein> that helped the wifi
[20:43] <KinkyPinkie> i have to forcereboot after sleep, it wont come to live by it self
[20:43] <holstein> OK
[20:43] <holstein> so its not just the wifi then
[20:43] <holstein> its the whole she-bang
[20:43] <KinkyPinkie> mm
[20:44] <holstein> still, its worth checking for updates
[20:44] <holstein> if you havent
[20:44] <KinkyPinkie> seemed to be only wless first
[21:17] <compaq17> thanks everyone for helping me get the system installed
[21:20] <compaq17> what is the message at boot about cryptswap not mounting?
[21:21] <holstein> i dont use cryptswap
[21:21] <holstein> compaq17: if you can get the exact message though
[21:22] <compaq17> next time I boot i will write it down
[21:22] <compaq17> what's the best security software for ubuntu?
[21:22] <holstein> in what way?
[21:22] <compaq17> antivirus, firewall
[21:23] <holstein> shouldnt need anti-virus
[21:23] <holstein> but do what makes you feel comfortable
[21:23] <holstein> !shorewall
[21:23] <holstein> hmmm
[21:23] <compaq17> where get?
[21:23] <holstein> compaq17: just open whatever software manager you want to use
[21:24] <holstein> and search firewall
[21:24] <compaq17> ok
[21:24] <holstein> you should have one at the router though
[21:24] <compaq17> yes
[21:25] <compaq17> bye for now
[21:25] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW
[21:25] <compaq17> thanks
[21:25] <holstein> sure :)
[21:42] <coz_>  good day to all
[21:43] <Duhza> the download takes for ever
[21:45] <holstein> Duhza: depends on your internet
[21:45] <Duhza> i have 23 mbps down and 30 up
[21:46] <holstein> maybe you got a slow mirror
[21:46] <Duhza> oh
[21:46] <holstein> usually takes me about 12 mintues to DL
[21:46] <holstein> or less
[21:46] <holstein> i usually look, and if its says "an hour" or so
[21:46] <head_victim> I"ve noticed a lot of PPAs can be slower
[21:46] <holstein> i stop it, and go again
[21:47] <holstein> head_victim: i think so too
[21:47] <head_victim> I find using a local mirror for the main packages speeds things up as well
[21:47] <Duhza> where can i find a local mirror
[21:48] <head_victim> Synaptic has a built in way to find the quickest download
[21:48] <holstein> Duhza: how much longer do you have?
[21:48] <Duhza> i tryed three times now it says 9min
[21:49] <head_victim> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors is another place to get an idea
[21:49] <holstein> 9 minutes sounds right
[21:49] <head_victim> I get 4.2MB/s from my local mirror
[21:49] <holstein> Duhza: you're getting an iso right?
[21:49] <Duhza> yesh
[21:49] <head_victim> Oh sorry, I thought you mean updates :/
[21:50] <head_victim> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors is a place for local CD mirrors
[21:50] <holstein> still, the ubuntu mirrors for DLing whatever are usually quite fast
[21:50] <holstein> relatively
[21:50] <head_victim> I get free quota from my ISP for my local mirror (our country still uses download quotas :/)
[21:51] <holstein> :/
[22:17] <Duhza> ok for when i want to install 64bit with out reformating what do i do
[22:17] <charlie-tca__> You backed up, right?
[22:18] <Duhza> nah i dont need to
[22:18] <Duhza> i have the stuff in need on my other comp
[22:18] <Duhza> i just dont want to go back and install java xampp
[22:19] <charlie-tca__> I choose manual partitioning, install to same partition, just change the "do not use" to ext4, do not check format, and the mount point to     /
[22:19] <charlie-tca__> That does erase everything except /home , as far as I know
[22:21] <Duhza> so for use as i use ext4
[22:22] <charlie-tca__> yup, that is the default filesystem used
[22:23] <Duhza> kk
[22:24] <charlie-tca__> and, I would like to know if it destroys the /home directory when you get done, please?
[22:26] <Duhza> lol k
[22:26] <charlie-tca__> got to hope for the best outcome, right?
[22:26] <Duhza> ywah
[22:26] <charlie-tca__> It has never destroyed /home for me, but others have said it did
[22:27] <Duhza> lol
[22:28] <charlie-tca__> and I keep my files backed up on dropbox, too. You would think I could make it screw up
[22:29] <Duhza> lol
[22:38] <aveilleux> Ive got an interesting problem. I'm telling wicd to connect to my phone's hotspot, but it's trying to connect to a different network entirely.
[22:48] <Duhza> how do i get java
[22:50] <charlie-tca__> enable partnership
[22:50] <charlie-tca__> then reload, it will show up then
[22:54] <rakshasa> Can anyone tell me how I should persist my xinput settings under Ubuntu10.10??
[22:59] <holstein> rakshasa: what are you trying to accomplish?
[23:00] <holstein> if you make a custom xorg.conf for some reason
[23:00] <holstein> it should be read
[23:10] <rakshasa> How do I set my properties in my custom xorg.conf?
[23:11] <rakshasa> Im disabling my touchpad by set-prop int the xinput
[23:11] <rakshasa> But each time the xserver restarts the default settings get loaded
[23:11] <rakshasa> :(
[23:14] <holstein> rakshasa: how about http://ubuntuguide.net/quickly-enabledisable-laptop-touchpad-with-touchpad-indicator-in-ubuntu-10-10
[23:14] <holstein> or something like http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-auto-disable-the-touchpad-when-the-mouse-is-plugged-in-fedora-13
[23:15] <rakshasa> I'v thought about using it
[23:15] <rakshasa> But I also need to know the underlying method, where it is persisted
[23:15] <holstein> AH
[23:16] <holstein> not sure where to send you
[23:16] <rakshasa> I like to know how thing work, its a sick obsession
[23:16] <rakshasa> :p
[23:16] <holstein> #xorg?
[23:24] <rakshasa> holstein tnx for the advice, I will use the programs but I have to figure out how 'xinput' and 'synclient' reflect the xorg.conf
[23:50] <ejay> hi, do i have to defragment before installing ubuntu alongside my windows operating system
[23:57] <rakshasa> ejay?
[23:57] <rakshasa> The best thing you can do is use parted magic to resize your partition
[23:59] <rakshasa> So 1 ntfs for your window, 1 ext4 for ubuntu root, 1 ext4 for /home and 1 linux swap partition


[00:31] <ball> brb
[02:20] <ball> Ah poo.  I was watching Doctor who and YouTube only seems to have the first half of Cave of Skulls.
[02:25] <ball> I'll have to buy it on DVD
[02:40] <directhex> cave of skulls?
[02:41] <directhex> -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 353M 2007-06-10 06:46 /data/Media/Video/Series/Doctor Who/01 - William Hartnell/Season 01/Doctor Who 01x01 An Unearthly Child/Doctor Who 01x01 The Cave of Skulls [Part 2].avi
[02:47] <Azelphur> ball: http://pastebin.com/cKM8j7nn :D
[02:54] <ball> Nice.
[03:03] <ball> YES!  Ubuntu appears to be booting.
[03:03] <terran> :O
[03:03] <terran> Ubuntu? BOOTING?
[03:03] <terran> On a COMPUTER?!
[03:03]  * ball nods
[03:03] <ball> Took me all day.
[03:04] <maco> anyone done the freebsd trick and put ubuntu on a toaster yet?
[03:05] <ball> maco: That was NetBSD
[03:06] <maco> whoops
[03:07] <ball> Pants. Now I can't find the checkbox I'm looking for.
[03:09] <ball> There's supposed to be a checkbox that lets me share a wireless connection to computers on a wired network
[07:43] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:43]  * AlanBell waves http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/ about
[07:51] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:57] <AlanBell> MooDoo: http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/
[07:57] <AlanBell> you know you want to
[08:00] <MooDoo> AlanBell: darn you :)  done.
[08:08] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: morning
[08:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning
[08:29] <dutchie> AlanBell: can you not use the data off launchpad for the map?
[08:34] <dwatkins> Good morning all
[08:45] <MooDoo> morning dwatkins
[08:45]  * dwatkins looks at ethernet shields for the Arduino and wonders about IPv6
[08:46] <daubers> Morning
[08:48] <DJones> Morning all
[09:08] <DJones> AlanBell: Seem to be getting a fair few people on the interactive map now
[09:18] <wintellect> Mornin all
[09:19] <MooDoo> morning
[09:30] <JamesTait> Hello, $NAME! Happy $DAY_OF_WEEK!
[09:31] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HelloInsertNameHere
[09:36]  * tugrik grins at JamesTait
[09:39] <JamesTait> What can I say? I got bored with "Morning all! every day.
[09:40] <DJones> Aww, that spoils it
[09:46] <screen-x> morning :)
[09:48] <nigelb> morning folks
[09:49] <nigelb> MartijnVdS: Having fun post debian release? ;)
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> nigelb: all sources.lists contained "lenny" \o/
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> nigelb: so no broken build chroots
[09:53] <nigelb> MartijnVdS: WIN \O/
[10:00] <popey> Morning!
[10:02] <dwatkins> yo popey
[10:03] <nigelb> hey popey
[10:03] <bigcalm> Morning kids :)
[10:16] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:17] <bigcalm> Hi czajkowski :)
[10:17] <DJones> Morning czajkowski
[10:17] <czajkowski> hows you bigcalm
[10:31] <livingdaylight> greyday
[10:31] <MooDoo> livingdaylight: windy here
[10:32] <livingdaylight> yes, and wet
[10:33] <livingdaylight> anyone know what an param file is?
[10:34] <livingdaylight> http://www.renegadehealth.com/ghd/blog/ in Chrome is throwing up embed param file: missing when I try to play the video
[10:38] <DJones> livingdaylight: Don't know what the file is, but the site works fine for me in Chrome on Windows, the video plays with no problem
[10:38] <popey> ditto
[10:38] <livingdaylight> DJones, thanks... maybe i should add that I'm using Chrome on Ubuntu
[10:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: YGM 8-)
[10:39] <DJones> livingdaylight: I was assuming that :)
[10:39] <livingdaylight> just opened FF and it seems to be working now. I don't know what is up with my chrome
[10:39] <livingdaylight> DJones, :)
[10:40] <popey> \o/
[10:41] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: YHM
[10:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-)
[10:43]  * bigcalm throws 155 quid at a new tax disc
[10:44] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: thanks for that, something to look forward to!
[10:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Indeed - I had completely forgotten about it until AlanBell reminded me on our way back on the tube after beer and curry.
[10:46] <s-fox> Hello.
[10:48] <popey> hi
[10:48]  * DJones should pinch the nick "silver fox" because of all his gray hair
[10:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> very amusing crawling by MS: https://twitter.com/#!/opensourcerer/statuses/34564036225925120
[10:49] <s-fox> Hi popey ,  how are you doing?
[10:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> I used to work with a bloke we nicknamed the silver-fox, and another we called the Italian Swordsman.
[10:49] <s-fox> Interesting
[10:49] <s-fox> =)
[10:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hello ivanka - Good to meet you last week.
[10:51] <DJones> TheOpenSourcerer: I can guess the reason for the silve fox nick, but don't want to contemplate the why
[10:51] <popey> s-fox: tickety boo!
[10:51] <DJones> why of the other one
[10:51] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[10:51] <X3N> how did the opensource expo go?
[10:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> DJones: yes. Don't go there. Just use your imagination. ;-)
[10:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> X3N: Do you mean the cloud expo?
[10:51] <DJones> TheOpenSourcerer: I'd rather not thanks
[10:51]  * s-fox now follows TheOpenSourcerer on twitter
[10:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> \o/
[10:52] <X3N> TheOpenSourcerer: so it was mainly cloud stuff?
[10:52]  * TheOpenSourcerer now follows s-fox in twitter
[10:53] <s-fox> Yay
[10:53] <s-fox> =)
[10:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> X3N: Yep.
[10:53] <s-fox> Is anyone else on twitter in here that I should be following?  I'm terrible for finding people ;)  lol
[10:54]  * screen-x is on twitter, but never tweets..
[10:54] <DJones> screen-x: Same here
[10:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> We were on the .org pavilion. The show itself though was rather quiet... I think a lot of visitors came for the presentations rather than the exhibition.
[10:55] <brobostigon> mtr, cheers popey :)
[10:55] <popey> np
[10:56] <screen-x> what's the role of fe80 ipv6 addresses, as there are enough addresses for everything to have a public address?
[10:57] <screen-x> I thought it might be just for auto conf, if no router is present, but when I isntalled radvd, it required my ethernet interface to have an fe80/link local address.
[10:57] <DJones> s-fox: This one is probably worth following http://twitter.com/#!/uupc
[10:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> s-fox: That is a *lot* of custard... http://serial-coder.co.uk/blog/2011/01/sunday-night-cake/
[10:58] <s-fox> lol TheOpenSourcerer ,  I was very very ill and I wanted something to cheer me up ;)
[10:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> That'd work :-D
[10:59] <s-fox> Thanks for the link DJones  :)
[10:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> or kill you completely.
[10:59] <popey> hmm, ssh to my server just hangs
[10:59] <s-fox> kill or cure is the best way TheOpenSourcerer
[10:59] <popey> i can ping it but ssh just sits there
[11:00] <DJones> s-fox: That looks wonderful, the sort of thing for a cold day
[11:00] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/563793/
[11:00] <popey> suggestions?
[11:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Tried from a different client machine?
[11:01] <popey> ah, good point
[11:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just a thought.
[11:01] <screen-x> popey: do you have another session on that machine, where you can read auth.log from?
[11:01] <popey> same from another machine
[11:01] <popey> no screen-x
[11:01] <popey> its at home I am at work
[11:02] <davmor2> morning all
[11:02] <popey> I was ssh'ed into it from putty on windows last night
[11:02] <s-fox> o/ davmor2
[11:03] <MooDoo> davmor2: morning
[11:03] <popey> it had a pvmove running overnight, and now I just can't get to it at all, but like I say, ping works
[11:03] <popey> ooo, just remembered it has webmin
[11:03] <davmor2> no czajkowski I see to busy scoffing waffles
[11:03] <davmor2> morning MooDoo
[11:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: http://fixunix.com/ssh/74058-ssh-hang-after-ssh2_msg_kexinit-sent.html (Talk of MTU)
[11:05] <popey> hmmm
[11:05] <popey> guess I'll just have to wait till I get home
[11:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.security.ssh/browse_thread/thread/996059b8cae76932?pli=1 Discussion about putty and key formats...
[11:06]  * s-fox adds self to this - http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we
[11:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmmm - The page at http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/ says: Please fill all the required fields! (They are)
[11:10] <popey> #blamebell
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> #blamealan
[11:11] <s-fox> I added myself, but can't see a pin :(
[11:11] <s-fox> #blamebell
[11:12]  * s-fox tries again
[11:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> I had to click the "Place your pin link" first. But 1. You can't place it as it isn't there yet. 2. It is not a "required field"
[11:13] <s-fox> How do you place the pin? Just click on the map?
[11:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hah - I seem to have covered AlanBell 's pin completely.
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: you're that big? :P
[11:13]  * brobostigon crosses his fingers, major updates to debian sid,

[11:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[11:14] <s-fox> "Duplicate comment detected; it looks as though you’ve already said that!"
[11:14] <s-fox> :(
[11:14] <gord> what are you supposed to put in the Description field?
[11:15] <popey> I AM GOD!
[11:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> gord: A description perhaps?
[11:15] <popey> ^ that
[11:15] <gord> a description of what precisely?
[11:15]  * s-fox just copied twitter about me bit, nice and short ;)
[11:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> gord: erm you probably.
[11:16] <gord> oh really? don't need another place that has a description of me that will become outdated fast ;) will just link to launchpad
[11:16] <nigelb> gord: just use javascript to pull from launchpad api :p
[11:16] <s-fox> *sigh, give up.  Broken :(
[11:16] <nigelb> s-fox: #blamealan ;)
[11:17] <nigelb> Only there are like 3 alans in here
[11:17] <davmor2> popey: It's Elvis people worship I know it might be hard for you to distinguish between the 2 but Elvis is the dead one ;)  #popey_is_mortal_after_all
[11:18] <nigelb> davmor2: hahahahaha, good one
[11:18] <czajkowski> davmor2: eh no in Brussels in hotel going through mail
[11:18] <czajkowski> I am all waffled out
[11:19] <davmor2> popey: sorry I couldn't resist :D
[11:19]  * davmor2 hugs czajkowski then blames her for virgin's area wide internet issues :P
[11:20]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2
[11:20]  * MooDoo waits for his turn with open arms.....oi czajkowski
[11:21]  * davmor2 races over and hugs MooDoo
[11:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: that'll do :)
[11:21]  * TheOpenSourcerer shuts up and runs away to get moar coffee (and possibly a biscuit or two)
[11:21]  * czajkowski hugs TheOpenSourcerer
[11:22]  * screen-x adds himself to the map
[11:22] <daubers> Ooooh biscuits would be good
[11:22] <screen-x> \o/ biscuits
[11:22] <screen-x> and hi daubers :)
[11:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> 2 digestives :-D
[11:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> czajkowski: How was Belgium?
[11:24] <czajkowski> pretty good
[11:24] <czajkowski> some great talks
[11:25] <czajkowski> met a lotta people I talk to via twitter so was good to put face to names tbh
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: "Belgium, man" - http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Belgium
[11:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Watch Ireland nearly lose in Rome?
[11:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[11:25] <czajkowski> dear gods I was in a talk and having to get scores
[11:25] <czajkowski> frustrating as hell
[11:27] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alistair McKinlay] Video of the Week: Weirdest ad of all time& - http://www.10people.co.uk/index.php/2011/02/video-of-the-week-weirdest-ad-of-all-time/
[11:27] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alistair McKinlay] Best Superbowl Ads - http://www.10people.co.uk/index.php/2011/02/best-superbowl-ads/
[11:27] <s-fox> Well that isn't too bad,  launched new system and it has taken over an hour for a bug to be found. Even better is that I found it, not the userbase.  /me fixes quickly and pretends it never existed ;)
[11:28] <nigelb> s-fox: oooh, nice :)
[11:29] <s-fox> Fix is in place,  testing.
[11:45] <brobostigon> phew, no breakkage after sid upgrade, :)
[11:47] <popey> i did like the Motorola Xoom superbowl ad
[11:53] <bigcalm> The Xoom does look interesting
[11:54]  * czajkowski hugs MooDoo, don't want him feeling left out
[11:55] <MooDoo> czajkowski: don't worry i know you don't love me as much as davmor2 :p
[11:56] <czajkowski> MooDoo: he's had to deal with me since LRL
[11:56] <czajkowski> :)
[11:57] <MooDoo> czajkowski: poor bugger :)
[11:57] <czajkowski> indeed
[11:57] <davmor2> czajkowski: to be fair so have you :P
[11:58] <czajkowski> exactly
[12:02] <davmor2> czajkowski: did you try maverick/lucid on your dell in the end or did you bury it in the back garden?
[12:02] <czajkowski> went to brussels
[12:02] <czajkowski> laptop is now in london wiht threats of fedora being installed on it
[12:03] <davmor2> czajkowski: :D still won't work :P
[12:04] <czajkowski> no idea....
[12:04] <czajkowski> I'm blanking that conversaion out
[12:05] <MooDoo> oi fedora is good too :p
[12:06] <MooDoo> ok ok ignore i said that
[12:06] <davmor2> MooDoo: Her netbook looks to be on it's way out :(   Which is why I say fedora won't work :)
[12:06] <MooDoo> davmor2: i knew that ;)
[12:07] <davmor2> czajkowski: maybe you could fed-ex it to MooDoo and we not allow him to go out drinking till he's fixed it :D
[12:08] <czajkowski> eh no
[12:08] <davmor2> hahaha
[12:09] <MooDoo> davmor2: easy peasy :)
[12:09] <MooDoo> davmor2: ps don't look at my irc cloak ;)
[12:09] <s-fox> Fixed that bug nigelb ,  it was a little more tricky than I thought. lol
[12:09] <davmor2> czajkowski: you're too nice woman where's the old czajkowski that would of said great plan and sent it immediately
[12:10] <davmor2> MooDoo: Nice cloak :D
[12:10] <czajkowski> davmor2: full of waffles chocolate na ddetoxing of beer
[12:10] <MooDoo> davmor2: it's coz i'm a <stop listening everyone> a fedora ambassador/mentor as well :p </ok everyone can listen again>
[12:13] <gord> waffles n chocolate n beer \o/
[12:14] <davmor2> MooDoo: Error at  <stop listing everyone> everyone stopped listening
[12:14] <czajkowski> gord: pretty juch sums up my entire weekend
[12:15] <davmor2> czajkowski: how did your talk go?
[12:15] <czajkowski> ok :s
[12:15] <czajkowski> spoke too fast
[12:15] <gord> pretty good weekend, but its gonna take a week to get over that ;)
[12:15] <czajkowski> I know I speak fast
[12:15] <czajkowski> turns out I can speak even faster
[12:16] <kazade> presentations and interviews do that to me too... why is that?
[12:17] <screen-x> kazade: nerves
[12:17] <nigelb> s-fox: the kind of bug that no one notices are the best :-P
[12:17] <kazade> during our evolution what possible advantage would speaking faster be when put under pressure? :)
[12:17] <screen-x> most people have some sort of tick that they display when nervous.
[12:18] <kazade> I can hardly imagine a caveman quickly talking down a Sabre Toothed Tiger or something
[12:18] <kazade> running faster I get..
[12:23] <davmor2> czajkowski: no surely not you speak to fast :P
[12:23] <andylockran> heya
[12:24] <andylockran> man, that was a tough cycle in this morning.  Got blown backwards up a hill.
[12:24] <czajkowski> :(
[12:25] <andylockran> not looking forward to the cycle home :)
[12:26] <dogmatic69> suns shining here
[12:27] <davmor2> andylockran: why you shouldn't need to peddle once just don't hit the front brake, it's not the speed that kills you, it's the stopping :D
[12:31] <andylockran> davmor2: it was the sideswipe into the middle of the road I was most concerned about
[12:33] <davmor2> andylockran: nice makes sure there is a bus beside you they come in useful sometimesw :)
[12:33] <davmor2> -w
[12:34] <andylockran> :p
[12:35] <andylockran> anyone help me out.  I have a Logitech keyboard with an extra button :) it's the opposite of / on the left of my z key
[12:35] <andylockran> however, whenever I press it, it zooms the display
[12:36] <ali1234> what do you mean "extra"?
[12:36] <ali1234> i thought all UK keyboards had that
[12:37] <andylockran> hmm, maybe
[12:38] <DJones> andylockran: My keyboard has that key as well
[12:38] <andylockran> hmm,
[12:46] <shauno> bottom row should have \ at one end and / at the other.  for pinball :)
[12:47] <shauno> never understood how USian keyboards managed without that
[12:55] <Baikonur> my button left to the z has <, > and |
[12:55] <directhex> andylockran, backslash zooms?
[12:55] <DJones> shauno: Now you've said that about pinball I don't think I've ever had a keyboard with a "\" key next to the "Z" key
[12:55] <directhex> andylockran, sounds like weirdness from compiz
[13:04] <s-fox> Time for lunch, back later
[13:17] <andylockran> ta ra
[13:34] <cps> afternoon
[13:34] <brobostigon> afternoonings cps :)
[13:34] <cps> hey brobostigon how's you? :)
[13:35] <brobostigon> cps: not bad, back and hip pain but good. and you?
[13:35] <cps> I'm okay :)
[13:35] <cps> might reformat later today
[13:40] <alexM90> hello, everybody!
[13:41] <cps> hey alexM90 :)
[13:42] <brobostigon> cps: why ?
[13:42] <alexM90> does anybody know a good python tutorial for programers? I mean I have some C++ and Java experience
[13:42] <cps> brobostigon: it's been playing up a lot lately; keeps crashing every hour or so
[13:42] <brobostigon> cps: not good,
[13:44] <davmor2> alexM90: Yeap there are plenty on the python.org I recommend dive into python too
[13:46] <alexM90> cheers davmor2
[13:50] <shauno> DJones: no? it shares the pipe key on every (pc) keyboard I've had; ala http://store.aramedia.com/shopimages/products/normal/kb-englishukwhite.jpg
[13:51] <shauno> beside each shift key is a paddle key for pinball :)
[13:51] <DJones> shauno: I was agreeing with you, every keyboard I've had has that key
[13:51] <shauno> ah, musta misread
[13:51] <DJones> It was when you mentioned pinball that reminded me, its always those two keys for the flippers
[14:09] <MooDoo> :)
[15:19] <davmor2> MOOO!
[15:23] <gord> oh dear, davmor2 is mooing now
[15:23] <gord> not a good sign
[15:25] <directhex> oink
[15:25] <davmor2> gord: tired of going around in circle with python api tests :)  Needed to let off steam and the channel was quiet as czajkowski isn't around :D
[15:34] <danfish>  davmor2 - she's on her way back and has got a brand new whalloping stick with extra whallop ;)
[15:35] <davmor2> danfish: Don't believe you :P
[15:37] <DJones> She's from Ireland, I'm sure there's a stock of Shillelagh's to hand
[15:41] <davmor2> DJones: she can not harm me my wings are like a shield of steel, well their attached to the get away plane so I hope they are :D
[15:45] <danfish> davmor2: this is the one http://www.swordsantiqueweapons.com/images/s343.jpg :D
[15:52] <DJones> danfish: That looks painful
[15:54] <danfish> DJones: yes, being hit around the head with that may well chafe somewhat
[15:55] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[15:55] <pr0ph3t> I made a bit of a mess
[15:56] <danfish> wot happened?
[15:57] <pr0ph3t> I installed chrome os and grub on the mbr but ubuntu is not an option on the grub menu, now I am trying to put an iso image of ubuntu on a usb drive so I can boot into it and reinstall grub etc
[15:58] <pr0ph3t> I used the command sudo dd if=image of=device is that a good way to solve the problem?
[15:59] <pr0ph3t> sorry I used dd if=./imagename of=/device
[15:59] <pr0ph3t> looks like it's done
[15:59] <dwatkins> I suggest using unetbootin to make a bootable USB installer
[16:00] <pr0ph3t> dwatkins: thanks for the tip
[16:00] <pr0ph3t> I'm not even sure this is actually chrome os I'm running now
[16:00] <dwatkins> welcome
[16:00] <dwatkins> you can't tell what OS you're running?
[16:01] <pr0ph3t> looks more like openSUSE to me
[16:01] <pr0ph3t> it's definitely based on openSUSE
[16:02] <pr0ph3t> brb hopefully
[16:13] <Azelphur> this £100 android phone I bought for my mum seems quite spiffy, even with all of oranges bloatware
[16:14] <Azelphur> I'm gonna remove all the crap with a custom rom and tidy it up, I reckon it's got potential :)
[16:14] <MooDoo> Azelphur: which phone?
[16:14] <Azelphur> Orange San Francisco / ZTE Blade, it's £100 from orange/amazon atm
[16:14] <MooDoo> cool
[16:15] <davmor2> Azelphur: it's quite easy to root it and loose the orange bloatware too :)
[16:15] <Azelphur> indeed
[16:16] <Azelphur> davmor2: have you done it? maybe you can point me in better directions, I'm no doubt working from old instructions
[16:16] <Azelphur> I'm still kinda vague on what rom to flash and how to root it
[16:17] <davmor2> http://androidforums.com/san-francisco-all-things-root/230099-guide-flashing-your-orange-san-francisco-zte-blade-custom-rom.html#post1952386  I haven't someone from the lug has though
[16:17] <davmor2> Azelphur: ^
[16:19] <Azelphur> davmor2: nice
[16:19] <Azelphur> I probably have newer phone though, I bought it new
[16:19]  * Azelphur checks build number
[16:19] <Azelphur> yea, I got B08
[16:20] <Azelphur> so that's no good for me :(
[16:21] <Azelphur> davmor2: wow...that's cheap -.-
[16:21] <Azelphur> the B08 has less RAM too
[16:21] <Azelphur> I might send it back, that's crappy
[16:22] <lazarus_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/563934/
[16:24] <screen-x> lazarus_: I'd move the file its winging about out the way, then apt-get update
[16:24] <Azelphur> davmor2: oh no it's ok, I do indeed have the 512MB model that's ok :p
[16:25] <Azelphur> but still B08 so that rom won't work :(
[16:28] <davmor2> Azelphur: the rooting process should still be the same though
[16:29] <lazarus_> screen-x: how would i do that
[16:29] <Azelphur> davmor2: just fastboot clockwork right?
[16:29] <screen-x> lazarus_:  sudo mv /var/lib/apt/lists/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_binary-amd64_Packages ~; sudo apt-get update
[16:29] <davmor2> Azelphur: again no idea a friend worked through it to get it to work for them
[16:30] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:33] <lazarus_> screen-x: http://paste.ubuntu.com/563945/
[16:34] <screen-x> lazarus_: you got that after moving the file out the way and updating?
[16:34] <lazarus_> mhm
[16:34] <screen-x> are you using a package proxy?
[16:34] <lazarus_> noo....
[16:35] <HazRPG> \o
[16:35] <HazRPG> hey all
[16:35] <lazarus_> HazRPG: hey
[16:36] <HazRPG> lazarus_: :) hey
[16:36] <screen-x> lazarus_: you could remove all the lists in /var/lib/apt/lists, then try apt-get update.
[16:37] <lazarus_> screen-x: how lol
[16:40] <brobostigon> afternoonings HazRPG :)
[16:40] <screen-x> lazarus_: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*
[16:40] <screen-x> lazarus_: then when you apt-get update, those files will be recreated.
[16:41] <HazRPG> brobostigon: afternoon :)
[16:51] <andylockran> howdy
[16:53] <bigcalm> Morning
[16:54] <Pendulum> bigcalm: a little late for that, isn't it?
[16:54] <bigcalm> ;)
[16:54] <screen-x> bigcalm: long night of minecraft?
[16:55] <brobostigon> is the awake time, in the new android 2.3 battery measure graph thingie, the same as the wake time in spare parts?
[16:55] <bigcalm> screen-x: I've been weaning myself off of the crack
[16:55] <lazarus_> screen-x: thanks
[16:56]  * bigcalm ponders what to make for dinner
[16:56] <bigcalm> Pasta bake is tempting
[16:56] <screen-x> bigcalm: curry!
[16:56] <dogmatic69> pizza
[16:57] <bigcalm> We had pizza yesterday
[16:57] <screen-x> actually I do quite like pasta bake :)
[16:57] <bigcalm> Tinned chicken corma and brown rice. That's also possible
[16:58] <screen-x> and pasta bake is within my very small remit :)
[16:59] <bigcalm> Making do with what's in the house is us trying to be sensible
[16:59] <bigcalm> Have a table booked at a local balti house for the 14th though
[17:02] <screen-x> To find ip address from mac address, I should use rarp? however rarp -a returns "This kernel does not support RARP", any other ways?
[17:02] <ormiret> screen-x: ask your DHCP server?
[17:05] <screen-x> ormiret: grep -i -B6 $MAC </var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases   should have thought of that :)
[17:11] <Jibadeeha> was just trying alpha 2 of unity ... quite like it .. reminds me of windowmaker with that dock
[17:11] <Jibadeeha> alpha 2 of ubuntu that is
[17:11] <popey> 5/93
[17:11] <popey> bah
[17:12] <screen-x> "From February 15 you will need to be a subscriber to listen to Last.fm Radio stations on devices, including your Last.fm iPhone / iPod Touch app."     <----      /o\
[17:12] <screen-x> popey: that's not a great score :-/
[17:12]  * screen-x deletes last.fm app
[17:18] <dwatkins> Why, screen-x - I'm curious as to your reason.
[17:18] <screen-x> dwatkins: ^3
[17:19] <dwatkins> I assume it's the requirement for registration, but what's wrong with that?
[17:19] <screen-x> subscriber = ££
[17:20] <screen-x> <-- cheapskate
[17:20] <dwatkins> oh paid, gotcha
[17:20] <DJones> dwatkins: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/07/lastfm_mobile_subscriptions/
[17:20] <screen-x> Basically last.fm are becoming more spotifyish, without letting you listen to exactly what you want to.
[17:21] <screen-x> I was wondering how last.fm were paying for all my streaming though :p
[17:21] <dwatkins> that's not so good
[17:21] <dwatkins> yeah, me too
[17:21] <screen-x> last.fm even have audio adverts now.
[17:23] <dwatkins> I listen to soma.fm mostly.
[17:25] <screen-x> heh, "mission control", I'll have to try listening to that :)
[17:25] <dwatkins> Sadly philosomatika closed even though I bought 3 t-shirts.
[17:26] <screen-x> dwatkins: unfortunately freeloaders always outway paying people (/me being one of them :-/)
[17:26] <dwatkins> Yeah, I like Mission Control for background 'music' at work so I don't have to listen to others
[17:26] <dwatkins> I don't mind occasional adverts on netradio
[17:28] <Baikonur> i haven't actually listened any other soma fm radio but suburbs of goa
[17:29] <Baikonur> even though i listen to that quite a lot
[17:29] <dwatkins> I like trance
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> No problems here.. but I was already a paying member for last.fm :)
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> also, last.fm works in my Linux clients
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> spotify is more expensive and I need wine
[17:54] <AlanBell> evening peeps
[17:55] <MartijnVdS> \o
[17:57] <popey> MartijnVdS: you dont need wine if you pay
[17:57] <MartijnVdS> popey: only if you pay enough
[17:57] <popey> lo AlanBell
[17:57] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: you could always do what I do,  Find an internet radio station that is free and plays the music you're interested in?  or buy music and listen to that :D
[17:57] <popey> i thought the linux client worked on all pay accounts
[17:57] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: yeah, that's what I do
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: http://3voor12.vpro.nl/luisterpaal/ ("steal" some Dutch public broadcasting money :))
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> popey: "meh" :)
[17:59] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I listen to my own music or I like absolute radio 80's which is available in a mad selection of formats including ogg vorbis and flac
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: yeah, I can get it from my sat card as well :)
[18:04] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: and on virgin cable too :)  and on freeview too I think
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: still, I watch BBC HD from the Netherlands, the least you could do is listen to Dutch public broadcasting from the UK :P
[18:15] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: But that's cause the bbc is good right ;)
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: so is the VPRO
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VPRO
[18:16] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: the word religious put me off :D
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: they aren't anymore
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> haven't been since the mid-60s
[18:18] <davmor2> :D  I'm not being blagged by that line ;)
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: if you want religious TV in the Netherlands, go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelische_Omroep
[18:19] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: No that's just it I don't :D
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> ^ those people edited the bits refering to evolution out of some Attenborough documentaries
[18:46] <pr0ph3t> so there, we can't try out chrome os anymore?
[18:47] <pr0ph3t> only comes on their hardware
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: you can try to get one of those laptops
[18:47] <jono`> anyone have a uk phone number that i could send a quick sms test to? :)
[18:48] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, they are only for US residents
[18:48] <Azelphur> jono`: sure
[18:49] <Azelphur> jono`: pm'd number
[18:49] <jono`> thx!
[18:49] <pr0ph3t> I tried it though and it's just openSUSE with chrome web browser installed basically, doesn't even boot that fast
[18:50] <pr0ph3t> but I guess it's not the version that will be installed on the laptops
[18:51] <moreati> jono`: +447790816339
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> moreati: added to spamlist
[18:52] <pr0ph3t> lol
[18:52] <jono`> heh, thank moreati, ill privmsg you :)
[18:53] <brobostigon> moreati: thats maybe not such a good idea ina publiclly logged channel, with the possibilitly o allsorts of people  bing inhere.
[18:53] <moreati> Oh, I only scaned for digits, didn't see Azelphur's. Sorry
[18:53] <Azelphur> hehe :P
[18:54] <davmor2> jono`: do you need any more or is that enough?
[18:54] <jono`> sure, third times a charm :)
[18:54] <jono`> thanks for everyones help
[18:58] <jono`> #ubuntu-uk++ :)
[19:00] <moreati> brobostigon: I don't hide my email address or tel number.  So far not too much SMS spam, and gmail deals with email spam
[19:01] <brobostigon> moreati: ok, fair enough, but i wouldnt do it, myself.
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: you don't have to ;)
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> you can always get a new phone number if it gets out of hand
[19:10] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: never had to do that,because i am careful whoi give my number to.
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it's less bother, agreed :)
[19:10] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: very, lessbother. :)
[19:29] <pr0ph3t> how do I sync a folder on ubuntu one? basically I need those files on the cloud
[19:29] <pr0ph3t> running ubuntu 10.10 64bit
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: in the file browser, right-click -> share?
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: or right-click -> ubuntu one
[19:30] <X3N> you will need to have setup your ubuntu one account first though via Preferences > Ubuntu one
[19:30] <davmor2> pr0ph3t: do you have an ubuntuone account?
[19:31] <pr0ph3t> X3N, I have the account already
[19:31] <pr0ph3t> yes davmor2
[19:31] <davmor2> pr0ph3t: do you see a folder called Ubuntu One?
[19:31] <davmor2> in you home folder
[19:36] <popey> brobostigon: I have had the same number since 1995 and get pretty much no spam calls/texts
[19:36] <popey> and my number is well known
[19:36]  * popey suspects MartijnVdS has it :)
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> popey: I do
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> I even remember where I got it ;)
[19:37] <brobostigon> popey: you're lucky then i think,
[19:37] <maco> most of the calls i get from people i dont know are from my dad's friends who dont realise it hasnt been his number in nearly a decade
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> I've had my number for about.. 8 years
[19:38] <pr0ph3t> have you guys tried the natty alpha 2 then?
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: I'm running natty atm
[19:38] <DJones> One way of reducing spam calls would be to register with the TPS
[19:38] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, with unity or the classic desktop?
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> classic
[19:38] <davmor2> I have a nice mix of natty, maverick and lucid, windows etc at the moment
[19:40]  * MartijnVdS plays with Google Fusion Tables a bit
[19:40] <pr0ph3t> sudo apt-get upgrade -d?
[19:40] <davmor2> pr0ph3t: update-manager -d
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: no, and if you don't know where to find how to do it, you shouldn't be running alphas :)
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: ^
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: (things WILL break in natty, be warned :))
[19:41] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, too late
[19:41] <pr0ph3t> davmor2, thanks
[19:42] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: No get it right pr0ph3t things keep breaking in natty
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> natty has been the most unstable dev version since jaunty for me
[19:42] <pr0ph3t> davmor2, I was running alpha 1 up to a couple of weeks ago
[19:44] <pr0ph3t> and by the way I am positively shocked by the new chromium web apps
[19:45] <davmor2> pr0ph3t: in that case you just need to do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:45] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Yeah but for go reason apparently :)
[19:45] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: it's bad when you have to revert kernels in order to get your wifi to work though, the new atheros driver adds some functionality that hasn't been used by atheros so the driver simply fails to work :D
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: the whole indicator thing feels unstable
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: so does compiz
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> and when I change/fix my keyboard layout, gnome-settings-daemon crashes and everything reverts to some "Default" gtk theme
[19:47] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: the magic of unity --reset is the most used command in my history
[19:47] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, does the panel start more than one nm-applet etc?
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: sometimes
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: sometimes not
[19:47] <pr0ph3t> I had that a lot
[19:47] <pr0ph3t> the keyboard problem as well for a while
[19:48] <pr0ph3t> compiz was really cool with all the new stuff though
[19:49] <pr0ph3t> although some things didn't work
[19:49] <pr0ph3t> animations settings did not start
[19:57] <lazarus_> From February 15 you will need to be a subscriber to listen to Last.fm Radio stations on devices, including your Last.fm Android app. jsuk
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> \o/ already paying customer (because radio won't work at all in .nl otherwise)
[20:45] <MooDoo> hello all
[20:45] <popey> lo
[20:47] <bigcalm> Morning
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: afternoon :)
[20:55] <TOSDroid> Eveni.g all
[20:57] <dogmatic69> could anyone point me to the best way to run spotify?
[20:57] <dogmatic69> the site has some info, but for debian... should i just use that?
[20:58] <dogmatic69> or the nasty windows one...
[20:58] <brobostigon> i do believe you canrun the windows version straight out, inside wine, without issue nor difficulty,
[21:00] <HazRPG> lazarus_: no way! :(
[21:00] <HazRPG> gonna miss last.fm :(
[21:01] <mgdm> there's a linux version that works for me
[21:01] <lazarus_> HazRPG: yea
[21:06] <popey> dogmatic69: if you are a paying spotify customer you can use the linux version, if not you use windows version in wine
[21:06] <mgdm> Oooh, yes. I forgot, I pay for it. :)
[21:06] <dogmatic69> popey: ah, just read the fine print...
[21:07] <popey> ditto
[21:07] <jacobw> is there an irc channel for bytemark hosting?
[21:09] <dogmatic69> ok, so new question... how do i use wine :D
[21:10]  * jacobw is clueless about DNS
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> time to learn :)
[21:10] <mgdm> jacobw: what's your question? I know enough to get by
[21:10] <jacobw> I assume I need a static IP to point a DNS record at?
[21:11] <Baikonur> dogmatic69: red with meats, white with fish or veggies
[21:11] <dogmatic69> ah... thats what i been doing wrong
[21:11] <jacobw> i'm ordering a vm with the intention of using it to serve a webpage at a domain that i've registered
[21:12] <MartijnVdS> the vm will get a static IP
[21:12] <MartijnVdS> so point your records at that
[21:12] <MartijnVdS> start $web_server
[21:12] <MartijnVdS> done!
[21:12] <jacobw> :)
[21:12]  * jacobw wades through the order form
[21:14] <mgdm> jacobw: yeah, that'll do it
[21:23] <aphrek> hi all
[21:28] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matthew Garrett] Hardware vexation - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/133674.html
[21:28] <dutchie> mmmmm, beer
[21:28] <dutchie> this is exactly what i need atm
[21:35] <TOSDroid> Horizon is quite gruesome tonight... About car crashes and how to improve things.
[21:42] <aphrek> not a barrel of laughs then..
[21:44] <bjb_> clear
[21:46] <bjb_> irssi
[21:57] <dogmatic69> a friends fb account just got hacked and chat was sending out random chats.... to bad im using ubuntu :)
[21:57] <dogmatic69> some exe download
[21:58] <Jibadeeha> TOSDroid, what do they suggest to improve things
[22:00] <TOSDroid> Jibadeeha: various: Medical, psychological, technical... Volvo quite well represented.
[22:00] <TOSDroid> It will be on the iy
[22:00] <TOSDroid> Iplayer shortly
[22:00] <Jibadeeha> TOSDroid, great will watch that
[23:19] <aphrek> the battery staus has disappeared from my menu - any ideas on how to get it back?
[23:20] <Baikonur> this might mean increased battery life
[23:20] <Baikonur> to infinity
[23:20] <dutchie> aphrek: system -> preferences -> power manager, then check the "notification area" bit on the "General" tab
[23:20] <Baikonur> quite unlikely, though
[23:21] <aphrek> lol
[23:21] <aphrek> dutchie - it's set to always show an icon..?
[23:22] <dutchie> do you have any other icons there?
[23:22] <aphrek> pressed make default & no success. Also tried to set 'never display icon' and then back to always show - still no luck..
[23:23] <dutchie> e.g. the messaging menu, which looks like an envelope
[23:23] <aphrek> yes- system status, wifi, time etc..
[23:23] <dutchie> and volume control?
[23:23] <aphrek> no - thats not there
[23:23] <dutchie> the wifi and time live in different panel applets
[23:23] <dutchie> so you are missing the indicator applet
[23:23] <dutchie> right click on the panel, and choose add to panel
[23:24] <aphrek> aha, thanks!
[23:24] <dutchie> scroll down or search and choose "indicator applet" (not "indicator applet session"
[23:24] <dutchie> )
[23:24] <aphrek> sorted - thank you
[23:24] <dutchie> no problem
[23:24] <aphrek> not sure how I lost that. Though I must say I looked through the applets & it's not completely obvious
[23:24] <dutchie> no, it isn't really
[23:25] <aphrek> anyhow - must dash thanks all, esp dutchie