[05:18] <ianorlin> hmm are debian installer images at the first bootslpash supposed to revert to normal mode if you change the mode and then move on to the menu and select check disk for defects then go back over to install on server or alternate installers?
[09:48] <rhuddie> fgimenez, hello, good morning.
[09:48] <fgimenez> hi rhuddie good morning
[09:49] <rhuddie> fgimenez, I noticed that you have removed the MultipleSignalReactor from your branch
[09:50] <fgimenez> rhuddie, yes, sorry are you using it? i can put it back
[09:50] <rhuddie> rhuddie, I used that in my wait-for-download branch, so wondered if I should just move it onto that branch?
[09:50] <rhuddie> either way is fine.
[09:51] <rhuddie> If you weren't using it on your branch, maybe it makes more sense to include it on my one?
[09:51] <fgimenez> rhuddie, in the apply update branch it doesn't make much sense, there's only one signal expected
[09:51] <rhuddie> fgimenez, ok. I'll add it to mine, using the base class that you have defined.
[09:52] <fgimenez> rhuddie, ok, thanks, i've also introduced some changes suggested by veebers in the test_services file, have you seen them?
[09:53] <rhuddie> fgimenez, no, not yet. I'll look through the changes
[10:13] <rhuddie> fgimenez, it seems to me that there is not much difference between the single and multi signal reactor, just how the signals get returned by the run function
[10:14] <rhuddie> fgimenez, so, how about just returning self.signals? then let the calling code check how many records there are etc?
[10:14] <rhuddie> that way you would only need 1 class for single and multi signals
[10:15] <fgimenez> rhuddie, that's right, barry pointed out that when more than one signal may arise you cannot only return the first one
[10:15] <rhuddie> fgimenez, for the download case, there are multiple signals, and in the reactor I just return the full list
[10:15] <rhuddie> then the calling code can check through them, or just look at the last one (which is what I actually do)
[10:17] <fgimenez> rhuddie, if it works for you go ahead with  it, i tried to dig in si code and was not sure of how the signals array was actually filled with more than one signal
[10:18] <rhuddie> fgimenez, it's just an array which gets a new record added for every callback it gets. you can see what I have here: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-ota-tests/wait-for-download/+merge/252759
[10:19] <rhuddie> fgimenez, so I think we could probably do away with the single and multi array classes, just make BaseReactor run() return self.signals
[10:20] <rhuddie> fgimenez, let me try that out
[10:20] <fgimenez> rhuddie, of course :)
[10:23] <rhuddie> fgimenez, yes that works fine for my multisignal case
[10:23] <fgimenez> rhuddie, ok perfect then :)
[10:24] <fgimenez> the only thing, imo given the asynchronous nature of the process we shouldn't assume any order when multiple signals may come
[10:28] <rhuddie> fgimenez, great, yes. Well, in that case the reactor is just passing the list of received signals back. the caller could then check the order if necessary? Or you could add a derived run() method to check the order?
[10:29] <fgimenez> rhuddie, yes the caller should check, maybe the happy-path  signal is not even in the array
[10:31] <rhuddie> fgimenez, I'll add my comments then to your mp about returning self.signals from base class run () and removing SingleSignalReactor
[10:33] <fgimenez> rhuddie, ok thanks, probably barry can tell us if there may be any corner case not covered by this approach
[11:24] <fgimenez> rhuddie, i'm not sure if calling self.quit in the _do_ methods of the reactor is right in the multiple signal case
[11:24] <fgimenez> rhuddie, see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-system-image/ubuntu-system-image/client/view/head:/systemimage/reactor.py#L98
[11:26] <fgimenez> rhuddie, ok, i've seen that you removed it from _do_UpdateProgress
[11:36] <rhuddie> fgimenez, yes, I just left it in the case where the operation had either failed or succeeded
[14:45] <balloons> ubuntu-qa, autopilot3 appears to be broke on vivid atm. I'm assuming an update to vivid broke it, and autopilot2 remains unaffected.
[14:45] <rvr> Hmm
[14:45] <brendand_> balloons, i'm vanguard today i believe
[14:45] <brendand_> balloons, do elaborate
[14:46] <balloons> brendand_, I'll get you a log and I'm digging in myself atm
[14:46] <balloons> brendand_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10610073/
[14:46] <balloons> I've tried calendar and clock and both fail this way..
[14:47] <balloons> I'm surprised the backend code is really that different, but we'll see
[14:47] <brendand_> balloons, on device or desktop?
[14:47] <balloons> brendand_, desktop
[14:47] <brendand_> balloons, okay can you put your exact repro steps as well
[14:51] <balloons> brendand_, sure, since this isn't a known thing. But more or less try and run any autopilot3 test on the desktop. They all seem to fail trying to instantiate a backend
[14:52] <brendand_> balloons, did you install an -autopilot package or run from source?
[14:53] <balloons> brendand_, here's a full reproduction: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10610117/
[14:53] <brendand_> balloons, dpkg -l | grep autopilot would be good too
[14:53] <balloons> brendand_, let me add that
[14:54] <brendand_> balloons, although it does list the version in your log, but anyway
[14:54] <balloons> right
[14:54] <balloons> it's sad the vivid testrunner hasn't been running recently, could have pinpointed when this broke
[14:57] <balloons> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10610145/
[14:59] <brendand> balloons, dunno about you but trying to run that just crashed my session
[14:59] <balloons> brendand, heh, fun times
[14:59] <balloons> I'd like to try on device now
[15:00] <brendand> balloons, afaik everything is fine on the device, folks have been running sanity tests today
[15:00] <balloons> right, I would assume so, and it's backend stuff anyway
[15:03] <balloons> brendand, ohh the python-autopilot package wasn't updated, so that's why it still works. Makes sense now as the backend code is the same
[15:03] <brendand> balloons, is that from looking at dpkg -l | grep autopilot?
[15:05] <balloons> brendand, yes and looking at the source it's different. A new version was not pushed
[15:05] <brendand> balloons, can you paste it?
[15:06] <elopio> good mmorning.
[15:07] <balloons> morning elopio ! elopio since I have you, I'm interested in talking QA for scopes. Who's the best person to talk to about that? I want to get some docs of the best practices on developer.u.c and I need an example scope and tests to do it
[15:08] <brendand> balloons, ahem, vanguard :P
[15:09] <balloons> brendand, ohh I get to bug you for that too? brillant
[15:09] <balloons> brendand, what did you want me to paste anyway?
[15:09] <brendand> balloons, yeah - we just want to get out of the habit of elopio being the bottleneck for all qa requests
[15:09] <brendand> balloons, dpkg -l | grep autopilot
[15:10] <balloons> brendand, right it's in the paste above
[15:10] <balloons> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10610145/
[15:11] <brendand> balloons, ah i missed that one - session crashy remember :)
[15:11] <balloons> ahh right, sorry mate
[15:12]  * balloons suspects https://bugs.launchpad.net/autopilot/+bug/1297595
[15:14] <brendand> balloons, open a bug and veebers can have a look later today
[15:15] <brendand> balloons, as for the scopes thing, elopio probably does know best there (cop out i know)
[15:15] <balloons> brendand, I will just gathering some more data.
[15:15] <balloons> thanks for the scopes answer :-) I'll await Leo
[15:22] <elopio> balloons: hello
[15:22] <elopio> balloons: we need to get together with pete-woods to define those things.
[15:23] <elopio> balloons: do you want to set up a meeting? somebody from qa, pete, and yourself
[15:23] <balloons> elopio, sure can. Who might you recommend from qa? ask jfunk ?
[15:24] <elopio> balloons: yes, invite jfunk and he'll take somebody else if he thinks it would be good.
[15:24] <elopio> thanks.
[15:24] <balloons> elopio, ty yt
[15:24] <elopio> dkessel: https://github.com/magne4000/quassel-webserver
[15:24] <elopio> this looks promising for using quassel on the phone.
[15:25] <elopio> brendand: balloons: I can't reproduce the autopilot issue on my updated vivid.
[15:25] <elopio> I see a comment on my branch from veebers who says he was going to ask about it to CI.
[15:26] <balloons> elopio, oh really?
[15:28] <balloons> filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/autopilot/+bug/1432700
[15:41] <elfy> hey balloons - quick one ... question of course :p
[15:41] <elfy> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[15:41] <elfy> does that look right to you ... am I missing something
[15:41] <balloons> pretty slick there eh?
[15:42] <balloons> it's correct insomuch as the new builds all fail automated testing
[15:42] <elfy> aaah
[15:42] <knome> slick... as in slickymaster?
[15:43] <balloons> I don't think slickymaster had anything to do with it..
[15:43] <balloons> now knome on the other hand :-)
[15:43] <elfy> right - so one's you could grab from tracker as daily are ok - but as it's failing auto testing - the daily there isn't updating - is that right?
[15:44] <knome> would i ever break anything?
[15:45] <elfy> balloons: so - that is expected from that link? just need to answer some people
[15:48] <balloons> elfy, -pending images don't get linked to the tracker as the are completely broken and useless for testing. However, 10 days is quite a long time to not have a new image
[15:48] <balloons> normally you might see a day or 2 gap in the image if something like that happens
[15:48] <balloons> sometimes it's as simple as making a .1, and you never get the .0
[15:49] <balloons> elfy, and yes you are correct. the tracker lists the last good image to test and won't update until a new good image is produced
[15:54] <elfy> balloons: so thew tracker is listing today - that direct current shows the 6th
[15:57] <balloons> yep
[15:57] <balloons> ohh
[15:58] <balloons> ahh I see.. well that does make more sense for it not to be 10 days old, but . . .
[16:11] <elfy> balloons: yea - bit broken there
[16:11] <elfy> balloons: also - is -release the right place to raise - umm chaps there's something wrong with the dailies?
[16:14] <jfunk> ping project-team vanguard
[16:15] <balloons> elfy, yes they are a good place to start
[16:15] <elfy> thanks balloons :)
[16:16] <balloons> ty!
[16:16] <elfy> so - back to that link - not roight? should be same as tracker?
[16:17] <balloons> elfy, it's a bit weird.. what I explained to you is correct, but indeed it doesn't match what we see
[16:18] <elfy> ok - I'll post in the +1 thread for them then :)
[16:27] <elopio> fgimenez: it's your turn on the vanguard, right?
[16:28] <fgimenez> elopio, i think that brendand took over, the rotation's been messed up after the friday
[16:29] <elopio> brendand: jfunk pinged ^
[16:29] <brendand> jfunk, hey
[16:30] <jfunk> seems like vanguard notification needs a little work
[16:30] <jfunk> brendand: there's a bug https://launchpad.net/bugs/1427439
[16:30] <jfunk> which I think we need to add a test for
[16:30] <jfunk> it should be simple enough
[16:31] <brendand> jfunk, well - to be fair it's in the channel topic - ping ubuntu-qa. if you don't think that's right suggestions are welcome, we can change it
[16:32] <brendand> jfunk, i suppose the flight mode sanity test ought to catch that
[16:33] <jibel> brendand, no, because we test only once
[16:33] <brendand> jibel, we enable, then disable. do we need to do that again in order to trigger it?
[16:34] <jibel> brendand, yeah, we'd want to do it like 100 times
[16:34] <brendand> jibel, oh it's a race condition (seems to be from reading the description though not 100% clear)
[16:35] <elopio> what we need is a regression test for the issue, at the low level. First they need to find the cause, and make a scenario to reproduce it.
[16:36] <brendand> elopio, well that, yes
[16:36] <jibel> elopio, agreed. But we can also test the other direction for issues that are not known
[16:38] <elopio> jibel: we can, but we need to think about the suites we will automate, make sure they are covering holes left by the low level suites.
[16:38] <elopio> if they fix this issue, and make a regression test for it, we will waste 100 cycles because all the runs will be green.
[16:38] <elopio> a long running test with common tasks that a user would do sounds nice.
[16:39] <elopio> but for that to work, first we need to make the random long running test to work.
[16:39] <jfunk> elopio: I guess I am worried that this problem could get out to users and want to get something in place to make sure we catch it
[16:40] <elopio> jfunk: they must make a test that catches it.
[16:40] <elopio> the issue has nothing to do with the indicator, so that test must not be through the UI.
[16:41] <jfunk> elopio: they can make a test that catches what they *think* causes it (as they already have) but I ran into it on my own, which proved they hadn't found all the causes of it
[16:41] <brendand> jfunk, automated testing is the perfect place for that, yes. whether it should be a sanity test... that depends
[16:42] <jfunk> elopio: right, I am not suggesting the test must be AP on the UI, only that the test must run regularly as part of regular testing
[16:42] <elopio> jfunk: right. But in order to write a good test, we first need to have a good scenario to reproduce the issue. That's where they must spend their time first, before writing the test.
[16:42] <brendand> jfunk, we'd have to get the balance between frequency/number of times run and severity
[16:43] <brendand> jfunk, if we ran it 100 times every image that would add a lot of time to the sanity run
[16:43] <elopio> if we know with 90% certainty that the issue will occur if the action is repeated 100 times, that's not good enough to get good automation out of it.
[16:43] <elopio> we caan use that knowledge to collect more knowledge.
[16:45] <elopio> add logs, debug, until the problem is understood.
[16:46] <elopio> then it will be easy to write a single test that when run only once will catch any regression of the same problem.
[16:47] <brendand> jfunk, by all means add a card to the backlog so we don't forget about it
[16:54] <rhuddie> brendand, should I add a task for looking at the sanity failures?
[17:23] <elopio> brendand or rhuddie: this needs one more review: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/autopilot/fix1266601-Pointer-pressed-move-2/+merge/252932
[17:37] <rhuddie> elopio, I can take a look, but it will have to wait until later as it seems quite large
[18:32]  * knome stares at om26er who changed their nick for 15 minutes to tell they were away
[18:32] <knome> (O.O)
[18:32] <om26er> knome, heh, it was a really quick dinner
[18:33] <knome> well i'm really surprised that there really isn't any other way to tell you are away than changing your nick
[18:33] <knome> oh but there is, /away ! :P
[18:35] <knome> roadmr_afk, et tu, brute?
[18:39] <ToyKeeper> /away is far less visible, and depends on the client to notice and ... grey out the nick or something...  a nick change is immediate and hard not to notice (especially if tab-completing a name)
[18:39] <knome> ToyKeeper, but why would you want to know if everybody is away or not?
[18:40] <knome> for example, why would you care if i'm away or not if you don't have anything to discuss with me?
[18:40] <knome> if you have something to discuss with me, why couldn't you see my away message?
[18:41] <ToyKeeper> In general, /away status tends not to mean much (especially auto-away), and /away messages tend not to get seen by anyone.
[18:41] <knome> fwiw, it's even on the ubuntu IRC channel guidelines:
[18:41] <knome> !away
[18:41] <knome> ToyKeeper, i couldn't disagree more...
[18:42] <ToyKeeper> But it depends on the person.  I don't generally set away messages, others do.
[18:42] <ToyKeeper> The nick change tends to bug me because it can make logs weird or break privmsg sessions.
[18:42] <knome> i don't mind if you do or not (i can probably see if you are away or not judging by the idle time)
[18:43] <knome> but i do care about awaynicks because i most often do not need to have the immediate information that you are eating lunch...
[18:44] <ToyKeeper> I also think one should never ping without data (i.e., just ask the question, don't ping first), but I have trouble convincing others to do the same.
[18:45] <ToyKeeper> What I'm getting at is ... I can't change human nature, so I choose not to get upset about it.
[18:45] <knome> well, what i'm getting at is that setting an awaynick is actually just as much work than an awaymessage...
[18:49] <ToyKeeper> Yes, but one can't fight every battle.  :)
[18:50] <knome> but i can win this battle ;)
[18:50] <dobey> knome: i'm going to go drink a gallon of water and /nick every 5 minutes to let you know i had to go use the toilet :P
[18:53] <dobey> knome: what you should do, is every time someone uses a nick change to show their status, pipe an !away to them
[18:54] <dobey> you could even write a bot to do it :)
[18:54] <knome> dobey, nah, it's better to leave a disturbing, shameful, public personal message ;)
[18:54] <dobey> eh, shame is for the weak :P
[18:55] <knome> :P
[19:21] <balloons> la_juyis, have you taken a look at what the help app looks like so far? would you like to?
[19:22] <knome> hullo balloons, what's up?
[19:23] <balloons> hey knome.. Trying to get work for the week all sorted, yourself? monday is in the books for you, I'm jealous
[19:23] <knome> kicking up the action again after a long weekend too
[19:24] <knome> and continuing with personal projects on the evening :P
[19:45] <veebers> balloons: ping hey I saw your bug go past in my email. I'll be looking at that today, once I get a VM up.
[19:45] <veebers> I suspect a new vivid something is happening
[19:48] <balloons> veebers, aye me too. Sadly the jenkins testing bot hasn't had a run this month (seems most things are running on utopic again for some reason)
[19:48] <balloons> that would have made it easy to see when it stopped working :-(
[19:51] <veebers> balloons: yeah, a little annoying. Oh well.
[20:11] <Letozaf_> balloons, hey :)
[20:11] <balloons> Letozaf_, buonasera
[20:12] <Letozaf_> balloons, I am having problems with autopilot3, I get errors running tests on filemanager app and calendar app, are there any issues or is it just me ?
[20:15] <Letozaf_> balloons, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10611753/
[20:16] <Letozaf_> balloons, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10611758/
[20:17] <balloons> Letozaf_, you are hitting the lovely bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/autopilot/+bug/1432700
[20:17] <balloons> just found it this morning
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, ah! ok thanks, so I am stuck :P
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, but can I use autopilot2 ?
[20:19] <balloons> Letozaf_, yes you can, if the testcase supports it
[20:19] <Letozaf_> balloons, how do I find out ?
[20:26] <balloons> Letozaf_, by trying it :-) no harm in running it with autopilot
[20:26] <balloons> the only one I know of that won't work is reminders and calendar
[20:26] <Letozaf_> balloons, :) yes just found out that filemanager app does not run also with autopilot2
[20:31] <balloons> Letozaf_, ahh.. plugin issues?
[20:32] <balloons> Letozaf_, you can also install the old version
[20:32] <roadmr> knome: I've disabled my nick changer, but not because of your attempt at shaming me (can hardly be ashamed of something so widely done) but because you're right that it's in the channel guidelines. Plus I'm not important enough that I need to broadcast the fact that I'm away :)
[20:32] <nuclearbob> ubuntu-qa: I'm having some trouble with adt-run failing to find fakeroot: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10611845/ The package builds on my computer
[20:33]  * knome offers roadmr cookies and milk
[20:33] <roadmr> knome: thanks :)
[20:34] <Letozaf_> balloons, the old version of autopilot ? or what ?
[20:35] <balloons> Letozaf_, yes. http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/a/autopilot/python3-autopilot_1.5.0+14.10.20140812-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[20:36] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok thanks I will now
[20:36]  * balloons hasn't tried that just yet, so do give it a whirl :-)
[20:36]  * Letozaf_ is giving it a whirl :)
[20:36]  * balloons feels dizzy
[20:36] <balloons> round and round . . ..
[20:36] <Letozaf_> :D
[20:41] <Letozaf_> balloons, unfortunatly filemanager fails also with the older version: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10611904/
[20:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, also  calendar app: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10611911/
[20:43] <la_juyis> balloons, I have a pomodoro in 10' if you wish to talk about that :)
[20:43] <balloons> la_juyis, mmm..
[20:43] <Letozaf_> balloons, ?
[20:44] <Letozaf_> ohhh sorry la_juyis is a nik
[20:44] <Letozaf_> la_juyis, sorry :P
[20:44] <balloons> la_juyis, vi piace cibo di casa?
[20:44] <balloons> Letozaf_, :p
[20:44] <dobey> 10 minute tomatoes?
[20:44] <Letozaf_> la_juyis, balloons ohhh così la_juyis è Italiano
[20:45] <Letozaf_> balloons, si mi piace il cibo fatto in casa :D
[20:45] <balloons> Letozaf_, no, actually she isn't heh.. We have an Italian restaurant locally here called pomodoro, and that's there motto, so I was responding to her with it :-)
[20:46] <balloons> well.. cibo di casa is the motto anyway, heh
[20:46] <Letozaf_> balloons, oooh cool :D
[20:46] <Letozaf_> balloons, Italian food is the best :P
[20:46] <balloons> otherwise I don't know what pomodoro is :-)
[20:46] <Letozaf_> balloons, pomodoro is tomato
[20:46] <dobey> balloons: it's an app
[20:46] <dobey> balloons: http://pomodorotechnique.com/timer/
[20:47] <Letozaf_> dobey, mmm real tomatoes are better :P
[20:47] <dobey> oh, well, a "time management technique"
[20:47] <balloons> wild..
[20:47] <dobey> Letozaf_: only in marinara
[20:47] <dobey> or ketchup
[20:47] <Letozaf_> dobey, I also like tomato salad
[20:48] <dobey> beyond that, meh
[20:48] <Letozaf_> dobey, tomato sauce, we have tomato everywhere here in Italy
[20:48] <balloons> yea.. probably quite good.. not factory farmed under lights :-)
[20:48] <dobey> yeah
[20:48] <dobey> well, depends
[20:49] <dobey> and even the ones outdoors are farmed under lights :P
[20:49] <la_juyis> Letozaf_, :)
[20:49] <Letozaf_> :D
[20:49] <la_juyis> balloons, mi piace moltissimo!
[20:49] <dobey> it's just a very, very big light bulb that runs on fusion
[20:50] <la_juyis> :P
[20:50] <Letozaf_> la_juyis, ti piace moltissimo cosa ? il pomodoro ? :D
[20:50] <la_juyis> balloons, sorry, i though you'd knew the pomodoro tecnique :D
[20:50] <la_juyis> Letozaf_, anche!
[20:50] <dobey> la_juyis: it's more fun when they don't though :P
[20:50] <la_juyis> Letozaf_, ma il cibo fatto in casa. il cibo che faccio io :P
[20:50] <balloons> la_juyis, no, but all this food discussion is more fun eh?
[20:51] <Letozaf_> la_juyis, ma che cibo fai in casa? pasta al pomodoro ?
[20:51] <la_juyis> balloons, certainly :P
[20:51] <la_juyis> Letozaf_, tantissime cose! ieri ho fatto biscotti :D
[20:52] <Letozaf_> la_juyis, biscotti al pomodoro :P :D
[20:54] <Letozaf_> balloons, shorts app tests work with the older autopilot version
[20:55] <Letozaf_> balloons, sorry I mean with autopilot2 not autopilot3 older vers.
[20:55] <la_juyis> Letozaf_, hahaha ! per carita, no! biscotti di burro, mele e avena
[20:55] <Letozaf_> la_juyis, lol was just teasing :P
[20:55] <Letozaf_> la_juyis, mmm sound delicious
[20:56]  * balloons was worried Letozaf_ ate tomatoes with sugar
[20:56] <balloons> la_juyis, anyways; people.canonical.com/~nskaggs/help/index.html
[20:56] <Letozaf_> balloons, lol
[20:58] <Letozaf_> balloons, by the way there is a receipt for tomatoes with sugar : http://ricette.giallozafferano.it/Pomodori-confit.html
[20:58] <dobey> my italian is not as good as my spanish
[20:59] <Letozaf_> recipe not receipt :P
[20:59] <dobey> hmm, or maybe it is, if only talking about food
[20:59] <Letozaf_> dobey, unfortunatly I do not know Spanish :D
[21:00] <la_juyis> Letozaf_, i had a salad with those the other day. delicious!
[21:00] <la_juyis> balloons, how are you dealing with translations? :)
[21:01]  * Letozaf_ is starting to feel hungry
[21:01] <la_juyis> balloons, maybe it's worth noting that the FAQ and the Community pages are .en only?
[21:04] <balloons> la_juyis, launchpad for translations. We'll have a big push to get them done soon.
[21:05] <balloons> and la_juyis yes, only German has much in the way of translation at the moment.
[21:05] <balloons> But I thought I would share what the web pages look like atm.. The offline click app looks similar on the phone
[21:06] <balloons> Letozaf_, glad at least some of it can be worked around
[21:06] <la_juyis> balloons, sure, just asking :)
[21:07] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes I have a bug for shorts to fix so...
[21:07] <la_juyis> balloons, lmk if you need help with the spanish side of things
[21:18] <balloons> la_juyis, thank you. Do you have additional content (or vice versa, would you like some of this content?)?
[21:19] <la_juyis> balloons, did you add those to AU?
[21:21] <balloons> I'm not sure if you saw the embedded video; http://people.canonical.com/~nskaggs/help/settings.en-us.html
[21:21] <balloons> la_juyis, I was wondering if you had more things like that. And no, I didn't add anything to AU
[21:23] <knome> chihchun_afk, didn't we just talk about awaynicks today on the channel :P
[21:23]  * balloons notes knome is on the crusade!
[21:24] <knome> think as i do or get decapitated!
[21:25] <la_juyis> balloons, oh, I thought you'd be adding stuff there, and consuming the contents from there later
[21:27] <balloons> la_juyis, the idea was to get the basics into the app and link out to AU for harder questions or complex questions that might change rapidly
[21:28] <balloons> la_juyis, the idea to scrape from AU didn't work out.. partially because of translations (we can translate this app)
[21:48] <elopio> nuclearbob: you are probably missing -B
[21:48] <elopio> or --unbuilt-tree
[21:48] <elopio> or both.
[21:50] <veebers> nuclearbob, elopio: ugh sorry I missed the ping to u-qa :-\
[21:51] <elopio> nw
[23:26] <veebers> balloons: are you still around perchance?
[23:50] <veebers> barry: are you around? :-)


[00:31] <olly> hmm, the "ubuntu one" SSO which seems to have replaced the launchpad SSO appears to be proprietary
[01:08] <mwhudson> olly: isn't it https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-isd-hackers/canonical-identity-provider/trunk ?
[01:09] <mwhudson> the u1 and lp variants have just been different skins for a couple of years now iirc
[01:10] <olly> that makes this entry in the T&Cs a bit odd: https://login.launchpad.net/terms/#intellectual-property
[01:11] <olly> "You will not acquire any rights to the software or the intellectual property from your use of the services, other than as set out in this agreement and in the software licensing of the distributed client code."
[01:12] <olly> i guess that can still be true, but it seems a pointless thing to assert if the code is under an open licence anyway
[20:12] <lifeless> olly: it is pointless :)
[20:12] <lifeless> mwhudson: about 8 years now I think
[20:12] <olly> morning
[20:12] <mwhudson> lifeless: not quite :)
[20:14] <lifeless> mwhudson: well, when I started as LP TA in 2010 it had been split out for a couple years already
[20:15] <lifeless> mwhudson: common DB which was terrible
[20:15] <mwhudson> yeah, but i hadn't started at canonical 8 years ago and there wasn't any SSO when i started
[20:15] <lifeless> mwhudson: ah, 2009.
[20:16] <lifeless> mwhudson: the SSO was split out for ubuntu one
[20:16] <mwhudson> sounds about right
[20:16] <lifeless> so sometime late 2008 or 2009


[03:26] <Capum321> hello how could I enable a usb speakers?
[03:31] <tsimonq2> Capum321: open a terminal and launch pavucontrol, if it isn't there, install it
[03:32] <Capum321> would htis work http://askubuntu.com/questions/167394/sound-card-selection
[03:52] <Capum321> tsimonq2: no?]]
[04:24] <tsimonq2> Capum321: I apologize, I have to leave for the night
[04:25] <tsimonq2> Capum321: ask again later/tomorrow (depending on your location) and someone might be able to help you
[04:58] <christian_> hey how is everyone?
[04:59] <mohi> Hello... We are good. How are you?
[05:00] <christian_> pretty good.  i'm having some trouble compiling a kernel right now though.  I'm pretty new to linux but I've done this twice before with no problems but this time it is freezing on a certain step.  I'm upgrading from 4.4 to 4.7
[05:01] <mohi> Okay... do you see any errors in dmesg ?
[05:14] <christian_> how do i view dmesg errors?
[05:17] <christian_> if you're asking if i received an error during the compile, i didn't.  it just stops running when it reaches Temporary per-CPU NMI log buffer size
[08:53] <meckler> helo
[08:53] <meckler> hello
[08:53] <meckler> need help with my lubuntu, i cant login after apt-get some files
[08:54] <meckler> reason is /dev/mapper/lubuntu--vg-root 100%
[08:54] <meckler> what can i do?
[08:58] <meckler> after sudo tune2fs -m 0 /dev/mapper/Kronos--vg-root
[08:58] <meckler> it work, 3Gig free
[09:43] <Fr_Dae> try on ttf1
[09:43] <Fr_Dae> sudo pkill lightdm
[09:44] <Fr_Dae> left 2mn after ask ... ok
[18:41] <capum321> hello
[18:41] <capum321> can't get to work usb sound
[18:41] <capum321> I was instructed to install pavucontrol
[18:42] <capum321> didn't turn it on
[19:15] <capum321> hello
[19:16] <capum321> seems my notebook can't sleep
[19:16] <capum321> Power Manager - GDBus.Error:org.freedestkop.DBus.ERror.NoReply: - Method call timed out
[23:05] <pac_pc> Hello just install lubuntu 14.04 and running into display issues. It doesn't do 1080p. Tried going into Monitor settings and it only shows max res. of 1024x768
[23:06] <pac_pc> http://i.imgur.com/G7XPa35.png <-- hardware info
[23:07] <pac_pc> *installed


[18:39] <alexcockell> ... but am not sure when Adobe mention on their release notes that they have tested on NVidia 330 - is that an ION chip?
[18:40] <alexcockell> Basically, I don;'t want to lose Youtube and iPlayer..
[18:40] <gord> nvidia 330 is not ion
[18:40] <gord> but ion is basically a 9000 series - it should work fine
[18:41] <alexcockell> Why don't Adobe *say* that on a bugfix release?
[18:41] <alexcockell> I know it works OK with the current version I have...
[18:43] <alexcockell> Currently running <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:01] <KrimZon> what's the command to tell how many times a disk has been switched on and off, and all that stuff?
[19:02] <BigRedS> KrimZon: smartctl -a <device>
[19:02] <BigRedS> I think
[19:02] <BigRedS> that'll give the smart data, which I think includes what you're after
[19:03] <KrimZon> hmm, it doesn't give me the info for that particular disk
[19:03] <HazRPG> gooooooood evening, everyone!
[19:03] <hamitron> hi HazRPG
[19:03] <hamitron> :)
[19:03] <KrimZon> but it does for the main disk, so it'll be the other disk that sucks
[19:03] <HazRPG> hamitron \o/!
[19:03] <BigRedS> KrimZon: ah, if there's no smart on the disk I don't think you can get the info
[19:03] <BigRedS> Gooooooooooood Morning HazRPG!
[19:03] <BigRedS> </robin williams>
[19:04] <hamitron> ffs
[19:04] <hamitron> windows 7 machine now can't be seen on the network from the xp machine
[19:04] <hamitron> :/
[19:04] <HazRPG> BigRedS: Haha, yeah that's sort of where I was going with that :P
[19:04] <BigRedS> hamitron: You're trying to do networking in Windows? ewww
[19:05] <hamitron> yes :(
[19:05] <hamitron> move data from old gaming machine to new gaming machine
[19:05] <hamitron> :)
[19:05] <BigRedS> hamitron: haha! I'm perpetually in good morning mode..
[19:05]  * hamitron grumbles as usual
[19:05] <KrimZon> BigRedS: I was trying to investigate i/o errors after trying to use it as a second backup drive
[19:06] <BigRedS> hamitron: I get other people to look after my wintendo for me :)
[19:06] <BigRedS> KrimZon: ah. if there's no smart I'd not want it as a backup drive...
[19:07] <KrimZon> yeah
[19:07] <BigRedS> though ISTR smartctl does guess stuff to make smart work, so it's possible that's just a disk that needs manual intervention to have smart working
[19:07] <BigRedS> but I don't know.
[19:07] <HazRPG> BigRedS, hamitron: http://goo.gl/Ugt3A
[19:07] <BigRedS> haha, awesome!
[19:07] <KrimZon> I'd hoped to have two drives so one was always separate from the machine
[19:08] <HazRPG> BigRedS: guessing you haven't seen that before then :P
[19:08] <daubers> Evening
[19:08] <hamitron> KrimZon, what I do :)
[19:08] <BigRedS> nope. I miss most of these things on the net somehow
[19:08]  * hamitron never seen it either
[19:09] <HazRPG> hamitron: :o
[19:09] <HazRPG> ... see I usually find this stuff finds me :S
[19:09] <hamitron> very small hand on my screen :/
[19:09] <HazRPG> don't know how, I must just attract crazy!
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: so that's how you ended up here :)
[19:10] <HazRPG> hmm, heh, its no better on mine
[19:10] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: ironically... yes! :P
[19:11] <HazRPG> hmm, should I post up my recipe code (calibre news plugin) to the forum? It works great, the only downside is that I can't use it since my kindle doesn't support arabic :(
[19:12] <HazRPG> its about 4 hours of faffing around to get 42 lines of code
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: post it already :)
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> release early, release often
[19:18] <BigRedS> HazRPG: code wants to be free
[19:23] <hamitron> hmmm
[19:24] <hamitron> usb connector just made a crackle
[19:24] <hamitron> :/
[19:24] <hamitron> static kinda sound
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> brb
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> \o
[19:31] <HazRPG> can't seem to find a decent hex<->character<->decimal encode/decoder
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: perl :)
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: What kind of hex? :)
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> (Unicode code points? Latin1 code points?)
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> UTF-8 encoded unicode?
[19:33] <HazRPG> ah, the key thing was  the bit in the middle, I want to change "الأولى" to unicode value so that I can place it in the recipe for uploading
[19:34] <HazRPG> since the recipe doesn't work if the text isn't english
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: Like 〹 ?
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: Or UTF-8/16/32-encoded?
[19:35] <HazRPG> yeah, something like that :)
[19:36] <HazRPG> think I've found one, going to see if it compiles right
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> (that's the problem with Unicode.. it only defines "Number X = this-and-that character".. you need an encoding (UTF-8, or HTML-encoding) to "write it down")
[19:36] <nperry> Unity is useable....
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> nperry: "Classic Gnome" is usable again
[19:37] <nperry> I'm just waiting for gnome-shell to work out of box...
[19:37] <nperry> Getting rid of using jhbuild...
[19:39] <HazRPG> actually, seems it needs to be in \u0627 format
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: Are you sure?
[19:40] <HazRPG> ا apparently just shows up as plain text of the same
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: What kind of file?
[19:40] <HazRPG> python
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> ah yes :)
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> In that case, either:
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> hm
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> hmmmm
[19:42] <HazRPG> ikr!
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: So you're writing python, and you want to put Arabic in your python script? Is that it?
[19:43] <HazRPG> I did find an awesome conversion site at one point, but never bookmarked it :(
[19:44] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: well yeah, let me put it this way... when I have 'الأولى' as the feed title (which btw, translates to "first" or "main news") the code fails to run
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: see pm, this is going to be messy :)
[19:44] <HazRPG> when it grabs the news feeds, it seems to use \u<numbers>
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: no that's python's way of saying "Unicode character <numbers>"
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: try printing somestring.encode('utf-8')
[19:45] <HazRPG> I wish I was coding in a python editor lol
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> Unicode is nothing without a way to represent it. Python's way (if nothing else is specified) is \unumber
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> but if you explicitly encode your string to UTF-8 (bytes), it should work
[19:46] <HazRPG> I'm using gedit to write the code and "ebook-convert arabic.recipe output_dir --test -vv" to test it
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> Python 3 makes this easier, by using "bytes" for the raw bytes and "characters" (strings) for the in-memory "character" sets
[19:47] <HazRPG> right...
[19:50] <hamitron> 4.6gb ram used! gotta get to 8.....
[19:51] <hamitron> at this rate will need tutoring from Azelphu_r on how to abuse hardware
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> open firefox
[19:52] <hamitron> haha
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> *poof* RAM used
[19:52] <hamitron> 5.32 used...
[20:00] <HazRPG> hamitron: what ya doing to fill it?
[20:00] <HazRPG> just opening as many tabs as possible?
[20:00] <hamitron> installing 5 different distro at once in vmware
[20:00] <HazRPG> or are you running a pi calculator and storing into RAM :P?
[20:00] <hamitron> oh no
[20:01] <hamitron> I am actually doing something useful
[20:01] <hamitron> ;)
[20:01] <HazRPG> :P
[20:01] <hamitron> I am sure I could fill the ram
[20:01] <hamitron> but I want to USE the ram I suppose
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> _why_?
[20:01] <hamitron> because I paid money for it
[20:01] <dwatkins> as a test?
[20:02] <hamitron> ;)
[20:02] <dwatkins> run memtest...
[20:02] <hamitron> I could of got 4gb cheaper than 8gb
[20:02] <dwatkins> NOTE: do not do that on a virtual server unless you are prepared for it to totally stop responding
[20:02] <hamitron> if I never use over 4gb, it would feel a waste buying 8gb
[20:03] <hamitron> now I can say hand on heart, I sometimes use it
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> are you running the 64-bit version?
[20:04] <hamitron> only 32 bit guests
[20:04] <hamitron> 64 bit host OS
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> there's the problem
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> 32-bit processes can't get >4G
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> get some 64-bit processes running :)
[20:05] <dwatkins> is the virtual host software 32-bit?
[20:05]  * hamitron shrugs
[20:05] <hamitron> it is vmware
[20:07] <dwatkins> I installed vmware but couldn't get it to run 64-bit OSs on CentOS.
[20:07] <hamitron> my host OS is windows 7
[20:07] <HazRPG> VirtualBox \o/
[20:07] <HazRPG> hamitron: :(
[20:07] <HazRPG> hamitron: letting the side down, you should be having ubuntu on with windows VM's :P
[20:08] <hamitron> F1 2010 and Test Drive Unlimited 2 are the only reason I got a new comp
[20:08] <hamitron> ;)
[20:08] <hamitron> oh, and minecraft
[20:09] <shauno> morning
[20:09] <hamitron> evening
[20:09] <hamitron> :)
[20:14] <dog69-ipad> Hi all... Great news, I broke my Pc :(
[20:14] <directhex> f1 2010 is half off this weekend
[20:15] <hamitron> directhex: I got it on dvd
[20:15] <hamitron> :)
[20:15] <hamitron> no thanks to amazon messing me around with my pre-order
[20:15]  * hamitron curses
[20:16] <directhex> hamitron: well, woo. just sayin', it's £15 on steam this weekend
[20:17] <hamitron> worth a buy imo
[20:17] <hamitron> even if loads moan about it
[20:17] <dog69-ipad> Can anyone tell me where to start with a box that is only giving terminal on boot (ubuntu 10.10 desktop)
[20:18] <shauno> nvidia drivers?
[20:18] <dog69-ipad> Yes
[20:18]  * dog69-ipad was looking at the settings last night
[20:18] <dog69-ipad> Don't remember changing anything though
[20:18] <hamitron> this is booting off the livecd?
[20:18] <dog69-ipad> Not tried, but it will do that
[20:19] <dog69-ipad> This is a running Pc since 10.10 came out
[20:19] <hamitron> oh, ok
[20:20] <dog69-ipad> Looked as syslog and it's complaining about missing configuration files
[20:21] <dog69-ipad> Tried to do sudo gde or something but that complains too
[20:22] <hamitron> startx?
[20:23] <dog69-ipad> Fatal error, no screen found....
[20:23] <dog69-ipad> Don't know how I'm seeing that :D
[20:23] <hamitron> haha
[20:24] <dog69-ipad> Also error parsing configuration
[20:39] <jacobw> `sudo gdm`?
[20:43] <dog69-ipad> That gives warning failed to acquire org.gnome.displaymanager
[20:43] <dog69-ipad> Could not acquire name; bailing ouot
[20:43] <dog69-ipad> Out
[20:44] <dog69-ipad> The startx one also said unable to connect to x server
[20:45] <dog69-ipad> No such file in dir
[20:45] <dog69-ipad> No such process, server error
[20:49] <dog69-ipad> Http://pastebin.com/Pk7TTTp2 is my configuration
[20:49] <screen-x> 20:21 < dog69-ipad> Fatal error, no screen found....
[20:50] <screen-x> its ok I'm here now :)
[20:50] <dog69-ipad> Ah, there it is
[20:50] <dog69-ipad> :/
[20:50] <directhex> you don't run gdm manually, that's always wrong
[20:50] <dog69-ipad> Ye
[20:50] <directhex> you run "start gdm", iirc
[20:50] <directhex> start spawns upstart scripts, like invoke-rc.d
[20:50] <dog69-ipad> That spits a big error
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> directhex: "service gdm start" afaik
[20:51] <dog69-ipad> Start: rejected send message, 1 matched rules; .....
[20:51] <popey> evening all
[20:52] <dog69-ipad> MartijnVdS: Same thing
[20:52] <screen-x> evening popey
[20:52] <dog69-ipad> o/ popey
[20:52] <HazRPG> hmm, I've really spent a lot of time on something I won't be able to use xD
[20:53] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: thanks for the encoding help dude :)
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: np.. does it work now?
[20:53] <dog69-ipad> MartijnVdS: Sudo star gdm = job already running
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> dog69-ipad: I have no idea
[20:53] <dog69-ipad> K, thanks
[20:53] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: yeah :D, also managed to get it to grab all 15 or so RSS feeds they have too and strip out the necessaries :)
[20:55] <screen-x> dog69-ipad: have you tried moving xorg.conf out the way (eg xorg.conf.bk) then restarting gdm? (service gdm restart)
[20:56] <HazRPG> although seems Al-Ahram (ahram.org.eg) site apparently ships pdf versions of their newspaper - I almost got overexcited when I read that, but it's a pdf inside of a flash file...
[20:56] <screen-x> dog69-ipad: won't get twinview, but then you can run the nvidia settings thing to configure that.
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: install dsniff, it contains urlsnarf
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: run urlsnarf, open flash file
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: it should show you the "hidden" URL of the pdf file
[20:56] <screen-x> haz!info dsniff
[20:56] <screen-x> fail
[20:56] <screen-x> !info dsniff
[20:57] <screen-x> haven't seen that before... some new man pages to read.
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> unless it's really a pdf _inside_ the swf, then you have to download the swf and extract it somehow (there are tools)
[20:57]  * dog69-ipad <3 screen-x
[20:58] <nperry> Hmmmm £117mill rollover tomorrow on euro millions
[20:58] <dog69-ipad> I have icons..  Badly streched and only half the screen... But it's icons none the less
[20:58]  * nperry crosses fingers
[20:58]  * hamitron hits something
[20:58] <nperry> I might be able to run my car with that ammount of money way petrol is going
[20:58] <dog69-ipad> screen-x: Tx
[20:59] <hamitron> everything has just gone wonky here
[20:59] <hamitron> :/
[20:59] <slackthumbz> screen -UDx
[20:59] <screen-x> slackthumbz: s/UD//
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: does that work? urlsnarf? :)
[21:01] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: yeah took a moment to realise I needed -i eth0
[21:01] <screen-x> "I wrote dsniff with honest intentions - to audit my own network, and to demonstrate the insecurity of cleartext network protocols. Please do not abuse this software." <-- good luck with that
[21:01] <HazRPG> man pages helped :)
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: you have that many interfaces? :)
[21:01] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I have 2
[21:01] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: erm... this is... interesting
[21:02] <slackthumbz> with -UD you detach anyone else attached to your screen session and get UTF-8 support
[21:02] <HazRPG> its not a pdf at all
[21:02] <HazRPG> its an image file!
[21:02] <slackthumbz> I find it rather handy
[21:02] <HazRPG> and the images aren't embedded at all!
[21:02] <HazRPG> http://www.ahram.org.eg/pdf/Zoom_1500/45398/images/page6.jpg <==
[21:02] <screen-x> slackthumbz: yeah, but without UD, you get my name :D
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: you can concatenate images into PDFs :)
[21:02] <slackthumbz> lol
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: but it might be easier to make the RSS feeds into PDFs (with the right fonts embedded)
[21:03] <HazRPG> if I can work out their number scheme, I could probably write a little script out to grab these and... lol yeah make a pdf of it :P
[21:04] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: yeah, but if I make a script to grab the actual newspaper... I could impress my family next time I'm over there :P
[21:05] <dogmatic69_> \o/ icons and stuff
[21:05] <HazRPG> they're offering it as a free service... so why not give that free service to my mum in a more manageable form for her to use :P
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: teach her Python :P
[21:06] <HazRPG> I mean Al-Ahram (translation: "The Pyramids") is her favourite newspaper
[21:07] <Myrtti> lolwhat? http://www.flickr.com/photos/suviko/5556049477/
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: Al-Haram 8-)
[21:07] <HazRPG> Haram = Pyramid
[21:08] <HazRPG> Ahram = More than one pyramid ;)
[21:08] <screen-x> Myrtti: odd
[21:08] <HazRPG> Myrtti: random...
[21:09]  * HazRPG wants
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: ah.. not the opposite of halal then?
[21:10] <HazRPG> Harram is why your thinking of then ;)
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: Dutch muslims write it "Haram"
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> Wikipedia says Haraam
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> \o/ transliteration
[21:10] <HazRPG> Harram = Forbidden
[21:10] <HazRPG> actually yeah Haraam would be more correct
[21:11] <HazRPG> but that's a character-to-character translation, its pronounced more like it has 2 r's in it
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> Which is why it's spelled "haram" in Dutch :)
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> that would make the pronunciation more like taht
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> that*
[21:12] <HazRPG> really?
[21:12] <HazRPG> Haram (HarAM) would be pyramid :)
[21:12] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: Written Dutch is strange (sometimes vowels get strechted at the end of syllables, etc.)
[21:13] <HazRPG> ah
[21:13] <HazRPG> then how would you write pyramid (haram)
[21:13] <MartijnVdS> Pyramide :)
[21:13] <MartijnVdS> Or haraam
[21:14] <HazRPG> cos that's not confusing :P
[21:14] <HazRPG> I wonder if I release a way to grab this newspaper's images... would they find another way to *hide* it?
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I'd just generate PDF myself using the RSS feeds
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: embed the fonts, and try on kindle
[21:17] <HazRPG> holy cow, they must have a decent webhost... seems they've got the older news papers in here too
[21:18] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: hah, I knew I was right! (I use to tell my mum that the reason the images were sometimes blurred on the newspaper, because they've exported it out wrong... and seems I'm right): http://www.ahram.org.eg/pdf/Zoom_1500/45397/images/page1_zoom.jpg
[21:19] <HazRPG> she always thought it was bad printing from time-to-time, seems they just don't know how to export properly
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> fial :)
[21:20] <HazRPG> I always told her its not possible that 5 family members (bought at different times and different places) would all come out the same if it was just due to bad printing
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: that page looks like I need 3d glasses :)
[21:21] <HazRPG> it does, doesn't it... but I highly doubt it'd produce the right effect with 3d glasses :P
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: yeah it's in Arabic, so I'd need to wear the glasses in reverse :)
[21:21] <HazRPG> xD
[21:22] <HazRPG> hmm, it must make sense from a printing aspect to do it that way
[21:22] <ali1234> that's a scan of a bad print
[21:22] <MartijnVdS> Sleep time. I'll leave you all with this: http://3voor12.vpro.nl/speler/luisterpaal/44540023#luisterpaal.44540023
[21:23]  * screen-x moves to a box with audio
[21:23] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: your hooked on the Fitz and the Tantrums aren't ya :P
[21:23] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: night dude :)
[21:23] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: a little :)
[21:23] <screen-x> sleep well MartijnVdS :)
[21:23] <HazRPG> ali1234: that is possible...
[21:23] <ali1234> or maybe not
[21:24] <ali1234> looks like it's not a scan just heavily compressed
[21:24] <ali1234> i can't really think of a way you could mess up the channels like that though
[21:24] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: oh you could. If you had to. on purpose
[21:24] <HazRPG> ali1234: they're still pretty new to the concepts of printing in colour
[21:25] <ali1234> exactly, you'd have to do it on purpose
[21:26] <HazRPG> hmm, food for thought ... can't be entirely on perpose: http://www.ahram.org.eg/pdf/Zoom_1500/45398/images/page1_zoom.jpg
[21:26] <HazRPG> that's the front cover of today's paper
[21:26] <ali1234> looks fine
[21:26] <HazRPG> exactly
[21:26] <ali1234> ah
[21:27] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: tune
[21:27] <ali1234> i bet they generate those jpegs from 4 separate tiffs or something
[21:27] <HazRPG> if you change  "Zoom_1500/<this number>/" and roll back a few articles... they're fine
[21:28] <HazRPG> ali1234: bingo ;)
[21:28] <HazRPG> which is what I always told my mum
[21:28] <HazRPG> but she thought I was talking out of my ...
[21:28] <ali1234> still, dunno how they could accidentally export one of the tifs with a different size than the others
[21:29] <HazRPG> if they do it in photoshop and basically just hide a channel and then re-export, they might accidently slip the image a notch by mistake and didn't realise
[21:30] <HazRPG> gotta remember they're mouse cursor is the wrong way round, and their scrolls on the other side too
[21:30] <ali1234> could be
[21:31] <ali1234> if you compare the front page on different days the top logo moves around all over
[21:31] <ali1234> so that's probably it
[21:31] <HazRPG> which makes sense from an arabic point of view... however no two systems in egypt seem to ever be configured the same (esp. in windows)
[21:32] <HazRPG> I wouldn't be surprised if each page is done by separate people either
[21:32] <ali1234> what's this picture all about? http://www.ahram.org.eg/pdf/Zoom_1500/45396/images/page1_zoom.jpg
[21:32] <screen-x> ali1234: the bunny or the dudes?
[21:32] <ali1234> the dudes
[21:33] <ali1234> looks lke they're going to fight?
[21:34] <HazRPG> ali1234: trying to read it... news papers are hard for me to read due to lack of reading skills and vocab.
[21:34] <HazRPG> but I'll try...
[21:35] <ali1234> if you can just tell me who it's a picture of i can probably find the rest on google :)
[21:35] <HazRPG> first word is ansar ("look")
[21:35] <screen-x> google docs OCR doesn't do arabic..
[21:37] <HazRPG> screen-x: not surprising, its not really easy to read font
[21:37] <HazRPG> some characters I can't make out
[21:37] <HazRPG> because it could be a few things
[21:37] <screen-x> HazRPG: it doesn't support arabic at all
[21:37] <HazRPG> oh
[21:37] <screen-x> otherwise, could have OCRd it then attempted a text translation.
[21:37] <HazRPG> heh, android still doesn't support arabic yet either - yet their phones are selling like hot-cakes over there
[21:38] <HazRPG> and all asking for arabic support ootb
[21:38] <HazRPG> I can try and type out the characters into google translate...
[21:38] <screen-x> HazRPG: do they have a version with real text?
[21:40] <dogmatic69_> say i have a file like the following, how could i get the password out? https://github.com/infinitas/infinitas/raw/beta/config/database.php.default
[21:41] <dogmatic69_> im using while read LINE do for WORD in $LINE do ....
[21:41] <dogmatic69_> must be a better way than that
[21:41] <ali1234> dogmatic69 write a bit of php that instantiates the class and prints the password
[21:42] <ball> Ubuntu's disk utility is a bit strange
[21:42] <dogmatic69_> ali1234: i guess... and cat it to the bash script as a param?
[21:42] <dogmatic69_> pipe
[21:42] <screen-x> dogmatic69_: where does bash come into this?
[21:42] <ali1234> i don't know php off by heart but it would be something like require "database.php"; x = new DATABASE_CONFIG; print(x.default['password'];
[21:43] <screen-x> ball: what are you seeing?
[21:43] <dogmatic69_> screen-x: im writing a bash script to do a backup, instead of saving the db password all over, i could just get it from the app
[21:43] <screen-x> dogmatic69_: so its not a php app that needs to read the file?
[21:43] <dogmatic69_> nope
[21:43] <dogmatic69_> bash
[21:43] <ball> screen-x: I tried to use it to reformat my MP3 player
[21:43] <ball> brb
[21:43] <dogmatic69_> sorry, forgot that part out :/
[21:44] <screen-x> dogmatic69_: in that case grep password |cut -d "'" -f 3
[21:44] <screen-x> or something close to that
[21:44] <ali1234> that would work too
[21:45] <dogmatic69_> hmm
[21:45] <ali1234> you can put some php code on the php command line too
[21:45] <dogmatic69_> does it not need to know the file name?
[21:45] <ali1234> so you don't need a separate file
[21:45] <dogmatic69_> ali1234: how do i put php code in the command line?
[21:45] <screen-x> dogmatic69_: grep password filename |cut ...
[21:46] <dogmatic69_> ah
[21:46] <ali1234> go with grep
[21:46] <ali1234> probably faster
[21:46] <dogmatic69_> screen-x: => twice
[21:46] <screen-x> grep password /tmp/test.php |cut -d"'" -f 4
[21:47] <screen-x> off by one..
[21:47] <HazRPG> screen-x: they do on the main site... but two days ago, and I'm not sure how far back the news articles on the site go (considering the news isn't timestamped on the site for some reason)
[21:47] <HazRPG> so far I have: Ban Ki-moon guard trying to protect it fromfriction
[21:48] <ali1234> ah ok
[21:48] <ali1234> http://www.insurancebroadcasting.com/photos/1_20/photo/-2711021-1.html
[21:48] <dogmatic69_> screen-x: awesome, thanks
[21:48] <ali1234> english ^
[21:48] <dogmatic69_> twice in the hour
[21:48] <dogmatic69_> :)
[21:50] <hcfd> Hey guys, I just recently installed an update that Update Manager was 'pushing' on me, for Adobe Flash Player. Now when I run VLC Media Player by opening a media file, X crashes. I get a segfault, something about ld-2.11.1.so -- is this related to the update? What is ld-linux.so.2 for anyway?
[21:50] <hcfd> 10.04LTS btw
[21:51] <hcfd> Also, when I try to run tilda, I get this output from dmesg: [  618.116116] tilda[4255]: segfault at 0 ip 0804ffbb sp bf9a2e10 error 4 in tilda[8048000+13000]
[21:51] <ball> Great, now my Internet connection is bad too.
[21:51]  * ball sighs
[21:51] <ali1234> hcfd: well, your system is pretty messed up...
[21:51] <hcfd> Yes, yes it is.
[21:52] <hcfd> I didn't do anything to it, however, besides accept an update through Update Manager.
[21:52] <hcfd> I'm on a slightly older than current kernel though.
[21:52] <ali1234> none of that should cause segfaults
[21:52] <hcfd> I know.
[21:53] <screen-x> hcfd: have you tried ldconfig?
[21:53] <ali1234> can you pastebin the last few lines of /var/log/apt/history.log?
[21:53] <ali1234> they are time stamped
[21:53] <ball> I'm trying to create a FAT32 partition on an MP3 player that presents itself as a USB flash drive
[21:54] <hcfd> screen-x, I have not. I have no idea what ld-linux is.
[21:54] <hcfd> ali1234, sure
[21:54] <HazRPG> wow, I really don't know the placement of arabic characters (doesn't help that my keyboard doesn't have the letters on it)
[21:54] <HazRPG> anyways so far: Ban Ki-moon guard trying to protect it fromfriction Altzahreinn Alwidin
[21:54] <ali1234> HazRPG: i found the english story linked above ^
[21:54] <screen-x> hcfd: I'm a bit fuzzy, but I think its the dynamically linked library loader
[21:54] <dogmatic69_> i got an exit in a bash script and it just kills the server connection... how can i exit without closing ssh?
[21:54] <HazRPG> ali1234: aww... spoiling my fun keyboard mashing :P
[21:55] <HazRPG> ah ok, that makes so much sense
[21:55] <HazRPG> didn't realise Ban Ki-moon was a name :p
[21:55] <screen-x> dogmatic69_: can you pastebin the script?
[21:55] <ali1234> it;s the asian looking dude :)
[21:55] <hcfd> ali1234, here it is: http://pastebin.com/zuFdt3pk   Please note that the flash uninstall, reinstall and the VLC uninstall, reinstall was just my attempt at a quick fix, a shot in the dark.
[21:56] <dogmatic69_> screen-x: its my first k ;)
[21:56] <HazRPG> ali1234: obviously :P
[21:57]  * HazRPG proceeds to eat the pie my sister brought home
[21:57] <HazRPG> from work*
[21:57] <ball> Aha!
[21:58] <HazRPG> and now my cousin in egypt is trying to write arabic letters to me...
[21:58] <HazRPG> *sigh*
[21:58] <dogmatic69_> screen-x: http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1481764846
[21:58] <HazRPG> I really do need to practice reading arabic
[21:58] <ali1234> hcfd: anything before that?
[21:58] <dogmatic69_> screen-x: first attempt at bash, im sure its all wrong :S
[21:59] <hcfd> ali1234, I can throw the whole thing up.. was just showing you what I've got. Before the upgrade, the machine was stable.. nothing of relevance going further back -- to my eyes anyway.
[22:00] <hcfd> ali1234, http://pastebin.com/mwBm6V43
[22:00] <zatan> Hi does anybody know how its calling that top panel ? http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_1QSDkzYY2vc/TWZ34S45D_I/AAAAAAAADIU/_AUZeAEh1yg/awn-notification-daemon-applet.png
[22:00] <ali1234> dogmatic69 you might want to look at using tempfile or similar for temporary files
[22:00] <hcfd> That goes back a couple of weeks. I'm in GMT timezone btw.
[22:00] <dogmatic69_> ali1234: how you mean?
[22:00] <dogmatic69_> in /tmp
[22:01] <ali1234> dogmatic69 see man tempfile
[22:01] <dogmatic69_> oh
[22:01] <ali1234> hcfd: i don't see anything in there that would cause such serious problems
[22:01] <ali1234> hcfd: anything interesting on your dmesg?
[22:01] <ali1234> also have you rebooted since update?
[22:02] <screen-x> dogmatic69_: how are you calling that script with ssh?
[22:02] <HazRPG> python can be compiled to an executable can't it?
[22:02] <ball> Got it.  I had to use dd to write zeroes to the first few sectors and let it decide to reformat itself.
[22:02] <ali1234> HazRPG: yeah
[22:02] <dogmatic69_> screen-x: just gonna be a cron
[22:02] <hcfd> ali1234, I have rebooted, yes. Will throw up dmesg for you. Nothing stands out to me, besides the problem.
[22:02] <HazRPG> ali1234: great, might have to see if I can make a small simple (hopefully gui) app for my mum to grab these papers with :)
[22:03] <ali1234> !py2exe
[22:03] <cbx33> hey guys
[22:03] <HazRPG> apparently not a factoid
[22:03] <HazRPG> cbx33: hey dude :)?
[22:03] <ali1234> ~info py2exe
[22:03] <cbx33> howz it all going peeps
[22:03] <screen-x> dogmatic69_: so where does ssh come in?
[22:03] <ali1234> well, it's called py2exe anyway... makes windows exes
[22:04] <dogmatic69_> screen-x: im ssh'ed into the box where im running it
[22:04] <ali1234> there's not much point on linux
[22:04] <HazRPG> ali1234: how so?
[22:04] <dogmatic69_> if i just run the script with no param, it exits as if i typed exit in the terminal... not just the script
[22:04] <HazRPG> wouldn't you need python installed first for the script to run
[22:04] <ali1234> because they usually have python installed by default
[22:05] <HazRPG> ah
[22:05] <HazRPG> hmm, run from terminal though (that's how I'm doing it at the moment)
[22:05] <ali1234> and if not, that's what package dependencies are for
[22:05] <hcfd> Thanks for your patience ali1234. dmesg at http://pastebin.com/ixiJbRhz
[22:06] <HazRPG> cbx33: not bad, yourself?
[22:06] <HazRPG> cbx33: thought anymore on covers?
[22:06] <cbx33> i do have an idea
[22:06] <HazRPG> winner :)
[22:06] <cbx33> but not sure if I'll use it
[22:06] <cbx33> :)
[22:06] <HazRPG> always here if you ever need to brainstorm :)
[22:07] <cbx33> thanks HazRPG
[22:07] <cbx33> my wife is going to try to do a quirky design
[22:07] <cbx33> if that doesn't work out - I have a reasonable serious one
[22:07] <hcfd> alil234: You can ignore /dev/sdd... it is a failing drive which was removed from an array. I just haven't physically removed it yet, it's being RMA'd.
[22:07] <screen-x> dogmatic69_: I can't reproduce that, If I run that script it just exits the script.
[22:07] <dogmatic69_> :O
[22:07] <cbx33> but I'm having issues with a merge right now
[22:07] <dogmatic69_> one sec
[22:08] <ali1234> hcfd: is it possible some other drives are failing in the array?
[22:08] <HazRPG> cbx33: I can always see if some of my friends will spare some time and make some if you like too?
[22:08] <cbx33> and I can't get anyone to answer my question in #git :)
[22:08] <cbx33> HazRPG, as long as they realise it may not be picked - that would be awesome :)
[22:08] <HazRPG> cbx33: well we're helpful :P ask away
[22:08] <screen-x> dogmatic69_: well it doesnt just exit, it outputs "Please enter the S3 bucket to back up to" first
[22:09] <cbx33> well i just did a merge - and got conflicts . no big deal - so I tried a git merge --abort...and it failed.....but a git reset --merge succeeded
[22:09] <cbx33> the man page seems to suggest they should do a similar, if not identical thing
[22:09] <cbx33> wanted to demonstrate an abort in the book - but it's not happening right now :)
[22:10] <cbx33> problen is - because the test repository is linear - I cant do any more to it, until I sort this out
[22:10] <hcfd> ali1234, it is indeed possible. The array is a RAID1 with one device, atm, as /dev/sdd is definitely fubar'd and was removed. Shouldn't be affecting tilda though.. and even trying to play media from other drives doesn't help the issue. The array in question isn't auto-mounted, so I could reboot and not touch it to see if it helps?
[22:10] <dogmatic69_> screen-x: http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1727955774
[22:10] <ali1234> hcfd: if it's not where your softwar is stored it's probably not the problem
[22:10] <screen-x> dogmatic69_: optimus-prime ;-)
[22:11] <dogmatic69_> :)
[22:11] <dogmatic69_> got the whole crew going
[22:11] <hcfd> ali1234, yeah it's just data. Root partition is another array altogether with 3 very healthy 80GB drives in RAID1
[22:11] <ali1234> hcfd: i suppose it *could* be if something is trying to thumbnail the videos or something like that
[22:12] <screen-x> dogmatic69_: that may be a strange ec2 thing then. Maybe wrap the whole lot in a function and use return rather than exit?
[22:13] <hcfd> ali1234, yeah.. hey I guess so. Unless you have any other leads/ideas, I think I'll reboot and give that array a wide berth, just to see if it has anything to do with it. Before I go, you couldn't do me a favour and paste me your ls -l for /lib/ld* ?
[22:13] <ali1234> hcfd: you could try running vlc or tilda in gdb to see where it crashes, and use strace or ltrace to see what it is doing
[22:13] <brobostigon-g1> evening everyone
[22:13] <dogmatic69_> screen-x: aparentlly im not 'running' it, im 'sourcing' it...?
[22:13] <screen-x> ahhh
[22:13] <screen-x> I didn't even see the . in your paste
[22:13] <dogmatic69_> that means nothing to me...
[22:13] <screen-x> durrrr
[22:13] <ali1234> hcfd: i'm not on 10.04
[22:13] <hcfd> ali1234, good idea. Tbh though, I don't think I could interpret the results very well, but will give it a go.
[22:14] <HazRPG> cbx33: sorry, had to visit the mens room... yeah I'm pretty sure they won't mind that
[22:14] <screen-x> dogmatic69_: ./backup.sh
[22:14] <cbx33> cool
[22:14] <hcfd> ali1234, are you on 10.*? :)
[22:14] <brobostigon-g1> is alanbell around?
[22:14] <dogmatic69_> screen-x: thanks... will do that
[22:14] <ali1234> hcfd: there's really only 3 possible explanations, 1. hardware fault 2. serious software bug 3. you did something weird and didn't tell us :)
[22:14] <screen-x> dogmatic69_: that would explain why its killing your shell, as you are running those commands in the current shell, rather than starting a subshell
[22:14] <dogmatic69_> guys in #bash are moaning about the ext also :(
[22:15] <dogmatic69_> i see
[22:15] <ali1234> where "something weird" = recompiled parts of the base system with weird patches or something
[22:15] <hcfd> ali1234, hardware fault looks more likely really.. 3. is not an option, if the answer were 2. then everyone would be complaining with me.. which leaves hardware. Could be anything, right? RAM, CPU, HDD, mobo..?
[22:16] <HazRPG> hmm
[22:16] <ali1234> could be. cpu is usually the least likely to die like this
[22:16] <HazRPG> cbx33: those do seem like very similar commands
[22:16] <hcfd> ali1234, base is untouched. Customisations here and there but nothing out of the norm.
[22:16] <cbx33> yes
[22:17] <screen-x> hcfd: "normal customisations" is almost a paradox
[22:17] <ali1234> hcfd: http://pastebin.com/6t80v1N3
[22:18] <hcfd> ali1234, I confess, the machine does totally lock up sometimes.. but it is related to overheating when the ambient temp goes up. It's rocking a LOT of hardware in such a small case.. but having said that, temps are perfectly within normal parameters. 45C for the hottest HDD, 49C for CPU at times.. I put it down to bad HDDs.. looks like /dev/sdd isn't the only one.. but I'm fearful that there's something more serious. :/
[22:18] <ali1234> what's GPU temp?
[22:18] <ali1234> overheating GPU can cause all kinds of weird stuff to happen
[22:19] <ali1234> if the machine locks up that could corrupt your filesystem in interesting ways
[22:19] <ali1234> so that could be the cause
[22:19] <hcfd> ali1234, -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-01-21 23:53 ld-2.11.1.so
[22:21] <hcfd> ali1234, it's 46C. Slowdown threshold is 105C... I mean I think it should be stable upto say 55C, 65C.. it should certainly handle 46C. In fact, I have 3 identical GPUs.. this one was put in a month ago as I was troubleshooting the lockups.. this GPU and the one it replaced are fine as far as I can tell.
[22:21] <AlanBell> brobostigon-g1: yup
[22:22] <ali1234> hcfd: it can also be insufficient power supply
[22:22] <hcfd> Alright, I'll only mount the root partition and e2fsck the rest.
[22:22] <HazRPG> cbx33: hmm, can't see to find anything
[22:22] <ali1234> hcfd: or bad capacitors on just about any component that has them
[22:22] <ali1234> usually PSU and motherboard
[22:22] <hcfd> ali1234, that was my very first thought. I put in a bigger one and it made no difference. Hmm.
[22:22] <cbx33> nope me neither
[22:22]  * hcfd nods
[22:22] <cbx33> I'll use the reset for now
[22:22] <cbx33> I'll ask in #git again tomorrow when it hots up
[22:23] <brobostigon-g1> alanbell what is that place you told me about last night,i need to talk about certain things.please,
[22:23] <AlanBell> #wrongplanet
[22:23] <HazRPG> cbx33: I'm currently looking through the git community book: http://book.git-scm.com/index.html
[22:23] <brobostigon-g1> alanbell thank you.
[22:23] <hcfd> ali1234, could be looking for a new system. Ran memtest, and all 8GB is fine. Guess I'll run  off of a liveCD for a few days to eliminate the HDDs and see where to go from there. Thanks for your help, you're being spot on with your analysis.
[22:24] <HazRPG> brobostigon-g1: \o/
[22:24] <HazRPG> brobostigon-g1: how's it going squire?
[22:24] <cbx33> HazRPG, traitor :p
[22:24] <cbx33> hahaha
[22:24] <cbx33> j/k
[22:24] <brobostigon-g1> hazrpg its going crap, in truth.
[22:24] <HazRPG> cbx33: hehe was going to say, can't be a traitor if I'm trying to help shape yours ;)
[22:24] <hcfd> ali1234, just one last thought, do you think that the correlation between heat and lockups (and now segfaults) makes sense if it is a capacitor issue?
[22:24] <cbx33> that is very true
[22:24] <cbx33> :p
[22:25] <cbx33> hehehe
[22:25] <cbx33> Thanks for trying to find out
[22:25] <cbx33> a little googling here didn't show anything either
[22:25] <HazRPG> no problem :)
[22:25] <cbx33> if yo ulook in the man git merge
[22:25] <ali1234> hcfd: sure, bad capacitors are basically ones that aren't as heat resistant as they claim to be
[22:25] <cbx33> there is something about aborting
[22:25] <ali1234> hcfd: they fail because the electrolyte in them dries up
[22:25] <cbx33> oh no - not badcaps :p
[22:25] <cbx33> anyone remember that?
[22:26] <ali1234> remember it? i've got loads of free stuff because of it :)
[22:26] <HazRPG> brobostigon-g1: *hugs*
[22:26] <hcfd> ali1234, ie: failing capacitors work less well under heat/slightly better when cooler? I have an Asus P5Q Pro board which is supposed to have high quality capacitors.. at least the specs/sales tag says so.
[22:26] <ali1234> hcfd: certainly possible, yes
[22:27] <ali1234> even high quality caps wear out eventually
[22:27] <ali1234> and life span depends on the environment they are used in
[22:27]  * brobostigon-g1 hugs hazrpg
[22:27] <ali1234> if you run them at 80 degrees they won't last as long as if you run them at 50 degrees
[22:27] <hcfd> ali1234, so if it is indeed the mobo, are the caps replaceable or should I just scrap the board? I think about £70 for a 2nd hand one, probably aren't any new ones left around.
[22:28] <ali1234> depends on the board
[22:28] <ali1234> i have recapped motherboards before
[22:28] <HazRPG> badcaps?
[22:28] <HazRPG> badcaps on hardware?
[22:28] <ali1234> but don't get too hung up on the capacitors, it's just one posible explanation :)
[22:29] <screen-x> tomorrow I will blame all faults on "bad capacitors"
[22:29] <ali1234> it might not even be hardware issue (that is, the previous GPU issue may have caused FS corruption that is still around now you fixed the GPU)
[22:30] <screen-x> http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~ballard/bofh/bofhserver.pl
[22:30] <hcfd> Well put it this way, I've eliminated the following: RAM, PSU, GPU... CPU has always had a good life, well cooled. I unplugged all expansion cards. HDD wise, I indentified a bad one, gave the others a clean bill of health for now. That leaves CPU and/or mobo. How can I t/shoot those without simply replacing them to see what happens? :/
[22:31] <ali1234> you can't
[22:31] <dogmatic69_> i made a dir called ~ in ~/
[22:31] <dogmatic69_> :/
[22:31] <hcfd> ali1234, I figured :)
[22:31] <ali1234> unless the capacitors are visibly leaking brown goo
[22:31] <dogmatic69_> rm ~ ...
[22:31]  * hcfd looks
[22:32] <HazRPG> cbx33: googling inside that book, seems the only place abort is mentioned is here: http://book.git-scm.com/4_rebasing.html
[22:32] <hcfd> I can't see for all the coolers and wiring. hehe
[22:32] <HazRPG> along with a page on git hooks
[22:32] <ali1234> hcfd: google images -> "badcaps"
[22:32] <screen-x> dogmatic69_: rmdir ~/\~
[22:32] <cbx33> ahhh
[22:33] <cbx33> badcaps were prevelant a good few years ago now
[22:33] <cbx33> apparently someone stole the formula for the electrolyte, copied it down wrong and took it to another company
[22:33] <ali1234> hcfd: i notice you have a message about unchecked filesystems... you should run a check :)
[22:33] <dogmatic69_> screen-x: lol, thanks
[22:33] <cbx33> they started making lots of cheaper capacitors....but their electrolyte was bad
[22:34] <dogmatic69_> i almost did sudo rm ~ -r
[22:34] <cbx33> seen a fair few mobos with badcaps
[22:34] <screen-x> dogmatic69_: good job you didn't :)
[22:34] <dogmatic69_> tell me about it
[22:34] <HazRPG> dogmatic69_: that would have been a bad plan :P
[22:34] <dogmatic69_> i did rm ~ just to see, and then it said ~/ is a dir...
[22:35] <dogmatic69_> close call
[22:35]  * dogmatic69_ wipes brow and continues
[22:45] <hcfd> ali1234, that's on /dev/sdd (now unplugged).. which is a failing drive. The rest should be upto date and healthy.
[22:45] <HazRPG> hmm, I realised a flaw in my calibre recipe... didn't notice this before... its output the text as left-aligned
[22:46] <screen-x> hcfd: do you get any problems when running from a live cd/usb?
[22:47] <hcfd> ali1234, screen-x, my board has solid state polymer caps.. I don't think the bad-smelling brown-oozing cap failure case applies
[22:48] <ali1234> probably not then
[22:48] <HazRPG> and it doesn't seem to separate the paragraphs with any spacing
[22:49] <hcfd> screen-x, I haven't done so in a long time. I intend to try that shortly however. The only machine I can IRC with at the minute is this one that I'm on.
[22:50] <screen-x> hcfd: rebooting is a pain, when you only have one box available
[22:53] <hcfd> screen-x, definitely. Anyway, I'm going to reboot as usual and leave some HDDs unmounted, run e2fsck, see if things can be improved. Then, I'm going to boot a liveCD and get back to studying for the night.. see if it's more stable.. etc. Probably get back to you guys later on it. Thank you so much for your input.
[23:07] <brobostigon-g1> good night everyone, sleep well.
[23:09] <HazRPG> AlanBell: are you just about in every channel on irc :P?
[23:09] <HazRPG> AlanBell: every channel I've ever been on @ freenode, you seen to hang out in :P
[23:12] <dogmatic69_> any recommendations for encrypting a tar.gz file?
[23:13] <jacobw> Depends on your requirements
[23:14] <dogmatic69_> i would like to not use the pw in the command if possible
[23:14] <dogmatic69_> just to encrypt backups
[23:15] <dogmatic69_> work asked, as they said in the contract backups are encrypted
[23:16] <dogmatic69_> its not cc details or anything funny... just std data stuff
[23:21] <jacobw> Public key cryptography
[23:21] <jacobw> This looks useful, http://www.brandedclever.com/how-to-setup-encrypted-offsite-backups/
[23:21] <dogmatic69_> i guess if someone hacks the box they can do what ever they like
[23:21] <Cepheus> dogmatic69_: try `openssl enc -e -aes-128-cbc -k "password" -in file -out file_encrypted` to encrypt and `openssl enc -d -aes-128-cbc -k "password" -in file_encrypted -out file_decrypted`
[23:22] <Cepheus> to decrypt
[23:22] <dogmatic69_> then the pw to decode is in the logs
[23:23] <dogmatic69_> or not?
[23:23] <jacobw> Isn't that the whole point of encryption dogmatic69_, that if the backup system is compromised the backups cannot be decrypted
[23:24] <jacobw> I see what you mean with passwords in the logs, but the answer to that is not to use passwords in commmands
[23:24] <dogmatic69_> im more worried about the box being hacked
[23:24] <Cepheus> it would be unless you clear the bash history.
[23:24] <dogmatic69_> there is s3cmd so they can easily list / download all the files and decode
[23:26] <dogmatic69_> the backup script does s3cmd put something.tar.gz s3://bucket_name
[23:26] <dogmatic69_> so they can just do list s3://bucket_name then download
[23:26] <dogmatic69_> and decode
[23:26] <dogmatic69_> is it possible to make ssh only work from a set ip?
[23:27] <jacobw> I don't know exactly how to do it, but you can use GPG to encypt files using public key encryption without storing the passphrase anywhere
[23:27] <Cepheus> you could replace -k with -pass stdin for the above. problem solved.
[23:27] <dogmatic69_> Cepheus: it has to run in a cron
[23:28] <Cepheus> jacobw: gpg -e file
[23:28] <Cepheus> i think
[23:28] <jacobw> http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual/x110.html
[23:29]  * hamitron blocks access to sshd using a firewall
[23:31] <shauno> sshd should obey hosts.allow & hosts.deny, but I'd usually consider that a job for a firewall too
[23:32] <dogmatic69_> hamitron: you mean using a pub key with no pw login? or more than that?
[23:33] <hamitron> I was just refering to blocking access to a service, with the exception of some known good addresses
[23:33] <hamitron> I'd also have other stuff in place ofc
[23:34] <dogmatic69_> right, atm all i have is ssh only + fail2ban
[23:34] <shauno> I get paranoid about locking myself out, so I allow sshd from two different isps, rather than locking it down silly-tight
[23:34] <hamitron> I dunno the "right" way to do it in ubuntu
[23:35] <dogmatic69_> i have a bunch of ec2 boxes for clients, and a ec2 'main box' for all sorts of internals (hosting git etc)... i been thinking of only allowing ssh to the client boxes from the 'main box' and then only allowing ssh to the main box from the static office ip
[23:36] <dogmatic69_> so it would be ssh office -> main box -> client box {n}... is that just mad, or a good idea?
[23:36] <hamitron> I'd go office to each server directly
[23:37] <hamitron> but mainly because I get cheap hosts with huge lag
[23:37] <hamitron> ;)
[23:37] <hamitron> the main worry with what you say, is the first box has to be secure
[23:38] <hamitron> main box sorry
[23:38] <shauno> there's nothing nuts about using a bastion.  you just have to be careful that you're reducing access to every client machine, to a single point of failure
[23:38] <hamitron> that also
[23:39] <dogmatic69_> also i dont want ssh from client box {n} -> main box (even though its only office people that have access)
[23:39] <dogmatic69_> shauno: what you mean about single point of failure? like limit the places they can be hacked?
[23:40] <shauno> well, if you do anything to take the main box down, you can't get to anything else
[23:40] <shauno> (you or anyone else)
[23:40] <dogmatic69_> ye
[23:40] <dogmatic69_> i see
[23:40] <dogmatic69_> if that box is screwed, so is everything
[23:41] <shauno> I think the biggest single step you can take with sshd is to disallow password logins, keys only
[23:41] <dogmatic69_> its for hosting a hosted solution... something like lighthouse ish... but for the current ugly version of the app there is one install per client... we are busy rewriting it to be one install with replication and failover something like the fb platform etc
[23:41] <hamitron> more secure and saves typing when logging in \o/
[23:42] <dogmatic69_> shauno: that is done
[23:42] <dogmatic69_> saas or what ever its called
[23:43] <dogmatic69_> SaaS
[23:43] <screen-x> snakes and awesome stuff
[23:43] <dogmatic69_> exactly :D
[23:44] <dogmatic69_> software as a service :P
[23:44] <hamitron> s/awesome/awful
[23:44] <hamitron> ;/
[23:45] <dogmatic69_> ok, this basestation thing is seeming the right way for now... should only be about 5 or 10 client boxes on this old version
[23:45] <shauno> key-only and a bastion host gets a bit awkward tho, because you need your private key on the bastion to be able to get to any other node from there
[23:46] <shauno> so if that one box is compromised, they literally get the keys to the castle
[23:46] <dogmatic69_> also makes the admin part easier for me, .ssh/config on one box
[23:47] <dogmatic69_> shauno: well that box will only be accesible from the ip of the office, so they would need to be a unix wizz as its a mac mini :D
[23:47] <dogmatic69_> plus, they would have to do it during office hours as the pc's with pub keys to the basestation are laptops and get taken home
[23:48] <dogmatic69_> how does spoofing ip addresses work with ssh? is that even possible
[23:49] <shauno> it's just something to keep in mind :)  if you're going to put all your faith in one place, be paranoid about that one place
[23:49] <dogmatic69_> god... this will be the end of me
[23:49] <dogmatic69_> mac address from that ip...
[23:49] <dogmatic69_> :D
[23:49] <shauno> eg, if the keys are going home on laptops, what's the plan if laptops are lost/stolen
[23:50] <dogmatic69_> well then its even easier as you can just drop that key off the base station, instead of every client box
[23:50] <dogmatic69_> and remove the mac address from the 'safe' list
[23:51] <screen-x> dogmatic69_: as long as you get there first
[23:51] <dogmatic69_> ye
[23:51] <dogmatic69_> and the laptops have pw's on (all macs)... damn fanboys
[23:51] <hamitron> give them keys to login to a static box at the office ;)
[23:52]  * dogmatic69_ is the only one not running mac in the office :D
[23:52] <dogmatic69_> so personal pc -> mac mini server -> base station -> client box?
[23:52] <hamitron> yeh, hehe
[23:53] <dogmatic69_> will need to not use the mac mini though, 80 / 22 is forwarded to that
[23:53] <hamitron> oh, for remote admin? :/
[23:54] <dogmatic69_> ye
[23:54] <dogmatic69_> checking hudson etc
[23:54]  * dogmatic69_ has the android hudson app :)
[23:56] <dogmatic69_> i wonder how fb keeps 500mil people out
[23:56] <dogmatic69_> there must be so much people just trying random shit all day


[00:05] <bin_bash> h
[00:05] <bin_bash> ok just making sure
[00:05] <lighterowl> ok sure
[00:05] <lighterowl> yeah just leave
[00:05] <lighterowl> so rude
[05:51] <jdwwatts> hi all anything new in xubuntu
[07:58] <rajeshwiper> Bluetooth not working in xubuntu 18.04 it doesn't show the adapter list
[07:58] <rajeshwiper> Can anyone plz help me in solving this
[08:04] <diogenes_> rajeshwiper, run: sudo rfkill list
[08:05] <diogenes_> notice what it says about bt.
[08:12] <rajeshwiper> It says
[08:12] <rajeshwiper> 0: hci0: Bluetooth	Soft blocked: yes	Hard blocked: no1: phy0: Wireless LAN	Soft blocked: no	Hard blocked: no
[08:13] <dax> sudo rfkill unblock hci0
[09:43] <rajeshwiper> Hi I'm having an issue in bluetooth in xubuntu 18.04, it's not working properly can anyone help me regarding this
[09:46] <rajeshwiper> When I run this sudo rfkill listoutput : 0: hci0: Bluetooth	Soft blocked: yes	Hard blocked: no1: phy0: Wireless LAN	Soft blocked: no	Hard blocked: noAfter that I ran sudo rfkill unblock hciooutput :  invalid identifier: hci0
[09:47] <diogenes_> rajeshwiper, try: sudo rfkill unblock all
[09:48] <rajeshwiper> diogenes_ The above command didn't say anything
[09:49] <diogenes_> rajeshwiper, check: sudo rfkill list
[09:49] <rajeshwiper> diogenes_ it says same
[09:49] <rajeshwiper> 0: hci0: Bluetooth	Soft blocked: no	Hard blocked: no1: phy0: Wireless LAN	Soft blocked: no	Hard blocked: no
[09:50] <diogenes_> rajeshwiper, it should be ok now.
[09:51] <rajeshwiper> diogenes_ It is not showing any devices and also the adapter & device tab in Bluetooth Manager is disabled
[09:52] <diogenes_> rajeshwiper, apt list --installed | grep blue
[09:52] <diogenes_> !pastebin
[09:54] <rajeshwiper> diogenes_ !pastebin
[09:54] <rajeshwiper> WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.blueman/bionic,now 2.0.5-1ubuntu1 amd64 [installed]bluez/bionic,now 5.50-0ubuntu0ppa1 amd64 [installed,automatic]bluez-btsco/bionic,now 1:0.50-0ubuntu6 amd64 [installed]bluez-cups/bionic,now 5.50-0ubuntu0ppa1 amd64 [installed]bluez-dbg/bionic,now 5.50-0ubuntu0ppa1 amd64
[09:54] <rajeshwiper> [installed]bluez-hcidump/bionic,now 5.50-0ubuntu0ppa1 amd64 [installed]bluez-obexd/bionic,now 5.50-0ubuntu0ppa1 amd64 [installed,automatic]bluez-tests/bionic,now 5.50-0ubuntu0ppa1 amd64 [installed]bluez-tools/bionic,now 0.2.0~20140808-5build1 amd64 [installed]libbluetooth3/bionic,now 5.50-0ubuntu0ppa1 amd64
[09:54] <rajeshwiper> [installed,automatic]libbluetooth3-dbg/bionic,now 5.50-0ubuntu0ppa1 amd64 [installed,automatic]libgnome-bluetooth13/bionic-updates,now 3.28.0-2ubuntu0.2 amd64 [installed,automatic]pulseaudio-module-bluetooth/bionic-proposed,now 1:11.1-1ubuntu7.5 amd64 [installed,automatic]
[09:55] <rajeshwiper> http://i.imgur.com/cz52F5J.png
[09:55] <rajeshwiper> See this
[09:56] <rajeshwiper> And also if I click on Bluetooth Adapters it shows like http://i.imgur.com/PAi9myx.png
[09:57] <diogenes_> rajeshwiper, try reboot.
[09:58] <rajeshwiper> I tried even that it's still not working
[09:59] <rajeshwiper> It was working before but after I updated and dist-upgraaded it's not working
[10:01] <diogenes_> try to re-install bluez and blueman.
[10:05] <rajeshwiper> diogenes_ I did that but still same problem
[10:07] <diogenes_> rajeshwiper, reboot after that.
[10:11] <rajeshwiper> diogenes_ Still it's not working
[10:13] <diogenes_> rajeshwiper, run| apt search bluez | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:13] <diogenes_> share the link
[10:14] <rajeshwiper> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/V5Zrr87nP6/
[10:14] <rajeshwiper> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xzcPHydKpt/
[10:16] <diogenes_> rajeshwiper, sudo apt install bluetooth
[10:17] <rajeshwiper> diogenes_ It's not working
[10:18] <diogenes_> lsmod | grep bluetooth
[10:19] <rajeshwiper> diogenes_ https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hvs3j3FhJC/
[10:21] <diogenes_> rajeshwiper, what pc model?
[10:22] <rajeshwiper> HP-Laptop-15-bs1xx
[10:26] <diogenes_> rajeshwiper, look on the keyboard for switches or key combinations for radio devices (e.g. fn+f....)
[10:27] <diogenes_> toggle those switches on/off see if it activates it.
[10:28] <rajeshwiper> @dio
[10:29] <rajeshwiper> diogenes_ Nothing as like that
[10:35] <diogenes_> rajeshwiper, ok as a test to rule out the kernel, you could try to download the xubuntu iso and run it live off an usb stick and check if it works there.
[12:44] <khaled38> hi when i tray to setup xubuntu i have this messages (the attempt to mount a file ststem with type swap in host/ubuntu/disks/swap.disk at none failed you may resume partitioning from the partitioning menu) please help
[12:44] <khaled38> windows 10
[12:45] <Alabalistic> khaled38, hi
[12:45] <Alabalistic> you cant mount swap
[12:45] <Alabalistic> like this
[12:45] <khaled38> yes
[12:46] <khaled38> what i have to do?
[12:46] <khaled38> please
[12:46] <khaled38> help
[12:46] <Alabalistic> let me spin a vm and see the picture
[12:46] <khaled38> ok
[12:48] <khaled38> now still setup after make continue
[12:48] <khaled38> can you help to setup
[12:48] <khaled38> ?
[12:49] <Alabalistic> ok
[12:49] <Alabalistic> what is your first partition
[12:50] <Alabalistic> Number  Start   End     Size    File system     Name      Flags
[12:50] <Alabalistic>  1      1049kB  525MB   524MB   fat32           Efi boot  boot, esp
[12:50] <Alabalistic>  2      525MB   101GB   101GB   ext4
[12:50] <Alabalistic>  3      101GB   1019GB  918GB   ext4
[12:50] <Alabalistic>  4      1019GB  1024GB  4512MB  linux-swap(v1)
[12:50] <Alabalistic> this is my partitioning
[12:53] <khaled38> do you have watsapp send yuo the image?
[12:53] <khaled38> you
[12:54] <khaled38> or you can control my pc please
[12:54] <khaled38> i dont under stand
[12:54] <Alabalistic> https://imgur.com/upload?beta
[12:55] <Alabalistic> upload your photo here
[12:55] <Alabalistic> and send the link
[12:57] <khaled38> ok
[12:58] <khaled38> https://imgur.com/fhtplgB
[12:58] <khaled38> :]
[13:01] <khaled38> https://imgur.com/UQY88Rw
[13:02] <Alabalistic> what is wrong
[13:02] <Alabalistic> I cant understand, is there some partitioning problem
[13:03] <khaled38> last link before i make continue?
[13:04] <khaled38> https://imgur.com/8tqytNK
[13:04] <khaled38> mean in English  the attempt to mount a file ststem with type swap in host/ubuntu/disks/swap.disk at none failed you may resume partitioning from the partitioning menu
[13:04] <Alabalistic> If I was you I will restart the install and lieve the partitioning to the default setings
[13:06] <khaled38> how can i lieve the partitioning to the default setings?
[13:06] <khaled38> i have windows 10
[13:07] <khaled38> i downloaded to jailbreak my iphone becuse i need to download cheker1
[13:08] <khaled38> to active my icloud
[13:08] <khaled38> =L
[13:09] <khaled38> ?
[13:10] <khaled38> any one helpe please?
[13:10] <Alabalistic> khaled38,
[13:11] <Alabalistic> I was out for a sec
[13:11] <Alabalistic> you need to make 4 partitions, boot, root, home, swap
[13:11] <khaled38> how?
[13:12] <Alabalistic> restart the installation and we will do it together
[13:12] <khaled38> good
[13:13] <Alabalistic> use print screen keyboard button to make pictures of your screen and send them to me
[13:14] <khaled38> ok
[13:14] <khaled38> just few mints
[13:14] <khaled38> i will restart now
[13:24] <khaled38> hi
[13:24] <Alabalistic> hi
[13:53] <khaled38> hi
[13:53] <khaled38> sorry
[13:53] <Alabalistic> install virtualbox, then install linux in it
[13:53] <Alabalistic> read the manuel
[13:53] <Alabalistic> ok
[13:56] <khaled38> ok
[13:56] <khaled38> whait
[13:57] <khaled38> virtualbox installd
[14:00] <khaled38> can you do it
[14:00] <khaled38> i cant use virtualbox


[08:55] <whoareU> hi, everyone
[09:02] <whoareU> do you know the linuxqq already have revived, when you boss is absent , to download it surreptitiously
[09:03] <whoareU> 这个龟地方， 半年都没有人说句话，
[09:04] <whoareU> quit