[22:43] <zykotick9> jbrks: FYI mutt can also delete or mark read entire threads, even more handy then just presenting them together
[22:44] <newboy> canal de ubuntu en español?
[22:44] <reCAPTCHA> recon_lap: That is what I have been doing for the past two hours..
[22:44] <cfhowlett> !es|newboy
[22:44] <blumonkey> i cannot get CS5 to install through wine. What could be the possible reason for this?
[22:44] <Chat8859> Hello?
[22:45] <newboy> thanks
[22:45] <cfhowlett> !wine|blumonkey
[22:45] <lytithwyn> Chat8859: hello.
[22:45] <superdave321> !ask | chat8859
[22:45] <cfhowlett> blumonkey: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=20158
[22:47] <recon_lap> reCAPTCHA: dont use dongles myself, much less is tiny ones so i cant help
[22:48] <reCAPTCHA> recon_lap: k thanks.
[22:48] <lanoxx> what does dereferencing pointer to incomplete type mean?
[22:49] <CharminTheMoose> Can I delete /dev/sdX and/or /dev/hdX device files whilst udev is running and not worry about them automagically being recreated?
[22:50] <RokcStar> hi
[22:50] <cfhowlett> RokcStar: greetings
[22:51] <lytithwyn> lannoxx: This isn't really a programming chat.  Try here, though.  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2576554/c-programming-dereferencing-pointer-to-incomplete-type-error
[22:52] <The_Phantom_Rat_> im having an issue here with my ubuntu 11.**
[22:52] <The_Phantom_Rat_> anyone here that can help
[22:53] <recon_lap> The_Phantom_Rat_: wont know till you ask your question
[22:53] <lytithwyn> The_Phantom_Ra_: usually you just type the problem itself and anyone who can answer will pipe up.  If noone responds, then noone online at them moment knows.
[22:53] <lytithwyn> Can't type nicks right today.  Sorry.
[22:54] <bgs2> hey everyone.  I've got a very noob-ish question about installing a particular package and wondered if anyone wouldn't mind helping.  version 11.10, the pkg is an old favorite x game called xjewel.
[22:54] <bgs2> i've found a copy of a .deb file and I use synaptic to install it, but when it runs, I get an error message about a missing font.
[22:56] <The_Phantom_Rat_> ok so i had the same problem with my laptop and fixed it. Dont remember how but now i have it on my desctop after the splash screen it comes to the log on and says something like the configuration Defaults for Gnome power management have not been installed correctly
[22:56] <The_Phantom_Rat_> and wont login
[22:56] <RokcStar> exit
[22:57] <The_Phantom_Rat_> have you seen this before recon_lap
[22:57] <lytithwyn> The_Phantom_Rat_: have you tried `dpkg-reconfigure gnome-power-manager` ?
[22:58] <The_Phantom_Rat_> yep
[22:58] <The_Phantom_Rat_> no wait reconfigure
[22:58] <The_Phantom_Rat_> no
[22:58] <The_Phantom_Rat_> i tried to reinstall but no lan internet connection only a ppp protocole dongle
[22:58] <impact> quit
[22:58] <lytithwyn> The_Phantom_Rat_: that will cause some packages to recopy their configuration files.
[22:58] <impact> exit
[22:59] <The_Phantom_Rat_> ok so it wont login so i should login with terminal right
[22:59] <The_Phantom_Rat_> safemode
[22:59] <undecim> I've got a server that is responding to pings, but I can't SSH into it since I rebooted. I took out the / drive and there is nothing in /var/log to indicate the system even booted.
[22:59] <lytithwyn> The_Phantom_Rat_: You might be able to get to a tty by typing <ctrl><alt><F2>
[23:00] <lytithwyn> Then you can switch back to the graphical console by using <ctrl><alt><F7>
[23:00] <The_Phantom_Rat_> ok give me a second let me hope over there
[23:00] <kanliot> is there a way to make commands i run not stop if i log off
[23:01] <pnorman> kanliot: in the terminal? I use screen for that
[23:01] <The_Phantom_Rat_> login incorrect
[23:01] <kanliot> no like xchat
[23:01] <lytithwyn> Using your normal username and password?
[23:02] <The_Phantom_Rat_> yes
[23:02] <The_Phantom_Rat_> 10.10 is always doing this to me
[23:02] <mgolisch> kanliot: what for?
[23:02] <The_Phantom_Rat_> -__-
[23:02] <kanliot> so i can log off and not quit all my apps
[23:03] <recon_lap> The_Phantom_Rat_ why are you on 10.10 it's not current and not LTS
[23:04] <lytithwyn> The_Phantom_Rat: I've never seen anything cause linux not to recognize a username and password.  You might be able to reset your password by booting a livecd and using chroot.
[23:04] <The_Phantom_Rat_> its not LTS but its the only CD i had
[23:04] <The_Phantom_Rat_> and has a good amount of stuff on the DVD
[23:04] <recon_lap> The_Phantom_Rat_: Haa, ok
[23:04] <The_Phantom_Rat_> im on my laptop now which is 10.08
[23:04] <The_Phantom_Rat_> LTS
[23:04] <The_Phantom_Rat_> and i refuse to use MavricMeercat
[23:05] <cfhowlett> !lts|The_Phantom_Rat_:
[23:05] <zykotick9> !lostpassword | The_Phantom_Rat_ lytithwyn
[23:05] <The_Phantom_Rat_> yea i got that
[23:06] <The_Phantom_Rat_> no its not my pasword 10.10 is pulling that Gnome power configuration settings stunt on me
[23:06] <The_Phantom_Rat_> and giving me grey hairs
[23:06] <bgs2> anyone got any experience with old (~1992) X Windows games and trying to sort out their dependencies and get them to run on 11.10?  I guess that's a good succinct way to phrase my problem.
[23:07] <mgolisch> kanliot: there is xpra but not sure if that helps
[23:07] <zykotick9> The_Phantom_Rat_: but Gnome wouldn't have anything to do with why you can't log in on a VT (ctrl+alt+f1)
[23:07] <lytithwyn> The_Phantom_Rat_: Ah.  You still may be able to fix it via chroot, or perhaps recovery mode will let you log in.  Time to go home to the wife.  Hope you figure it out!
[23:07] <recon_lap> bgs2: you might get more help in ubuntu+1 , you tend to get more dev types in there
[23:07] <bgs2> okay, thanks
[23:07] <The_Phantom_Rat_> nope that doesnt seem to be doing the trick either
[23:07] <zykotick9> bgs2: wait
[23:08] <trism> bgs2: I just rebuilt xjewel from natty on oneiric, and it seems fine
[23:08] <zykotick9> bgs2: 11.10 is supported here, not in #ubuntu+1 (that's for 12.04)
[23:08] <bgs2> cool
[23:08] <helo1> How do I set a script to run once every 5 minutes with cron?
[23:08] <The_Phantom_Rat_> zykotick9 ya it does when this thing happens i had the same problem last yr with my laptop
[23:09] <FloodBot1> !netsplit
[23:10] <bgs2> trism: I found the .deb file on a google search, downloaded it, and opened it Synaptic.  Can you tell me the steps you took?
[23:10] <The_Phantom_Rat_> !netsplit over ?
[23:10] <bgs2> trism: bearing in mind I have almost no frame of reference (on a linux knowledge scale from 1-10, I'd rank myself a 1.5)
[23:10] <helo1> Can someone help me use cron
[23:11] <The_Phantom_Rat_> hahaha ubuntu humor
[23:11] <The_Phantom_Rat_> something wicked has happened !netsplit
[23:11] <K`zan> Hi folks, been rooting around the ubuntu web site trying to figure out what the difference is between desktop and enterprise.  Even google was no help with it.  Anyone know?
[23:11] <e4xit> someone help with installing uplink (game) from the ubuntu software store (12.04)? Am i even in the right place?
[23:12] <e4xit> sorry k'zan not too sure.... if you are home user I would go with desktop?
[23:12] <zykotick9> K`zan: enterprise?  where do you see that?
[23:13] <helo1> There is desktop and server
[23:13] <Spec> helo1: echo "*/5 * * * *   username     /full/path/to/script" >> /etc/cron.d/myscriptname
[23:13] <trism> bgs2: I grabbed the *.gz and .dsc from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xjewel/1.6-25, and rebuilt it in pbuilder https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[23:13] <helo1> the difference being a gui and lots of preinstalled stuff
[23:13] <helo1> and support length
[23:13] <zykotick9> helo1: actually the support length is the same (different between LTS and normal releases)
[23:14] <helo1> Spec: thanks
[23:14] <K`zan> e4xit: That is what I am thinking, just not at all clear what the difference is between desktop, enterprise and enterprise cloud.  Most confusing.
[23:14] <dagerik> Is a visual bell possible in ubuntu?
[23:14] <bgs2> trism: okay, thanks.  I'll give that a try.
[23:14] <helo1> zykotick9 Somebody told me in this irc that the server LTS gets 5 years
[23:14] <zykotick9> helo1: that's true, but so will desktop in the new version of LTS
[23:15] <cfhowlett> helo1: 12.04 LTS = 5 years
[23:15] <helo1> Nice :)
[23:15] <helo1> I like that
[23:15] <helo1> 3 years is weak
[23:15] <zykotick9> helo1: regular releases are the same support between desktop and server
[23:15] <e4xit> to be honest k'zan i think that if you dont know what the difference is you go for the desktop.  Its not like windoze where enterprise has more features/etc.  Its more a case of enterprise is stripped down I think
[23:15] <K`zan> zykes-: Trinity has desktop and enterprise releases on ubuntu and the only difference I can see is that desktop comes on a CD image and enterprise on a DVD.  Also there is some talk of enterprise cloud on the ubuntu site, not clear if it is the same thing or something different.
[23:15] <zykotick9> K`zan: that's not Ubuntu
[23:16] <e4xit> like helo1 says above, the enterprise has no gui by default
[23:16] <K`zan> e4xit: I think I'll go with desktop.
[23:16] <e4xit> yes
[23:16] <K`zan> zykotick9: Yup, 'tis :-).
[23:16] <e4xit> a wise choice
[23:16] <bgs2> gotta go.  Thanks for the tips, and have a good night all.
[23:16] <zykotick9> e4xit: there is no Ubuntu Enterprise edition
[23:17] <K`zan> zykes-: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9867510&postcount=5
[23:17] <zykotick9> K`zan: notice your TAB fails?
[23:17] <K`zan> zykotick9: Yeah, didn't hit it the second time :).
[23:17] <grendal-prime> FIGHT THE POWER..
[23:17] <zykotick9> K`zan: UEC - i gotcha, ya that's NOTHING like desktop
[23:17] <grendal-prime> OOPS
[23:18] <grendal-prime> sorry wrong window
[23:18] <FloodBot1> grendal-prime: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:19] <K`zan> zykotick9: OK, looks like desktop it is.  They could make it less confusing :-).
[23:20] <The_Phantom_Rat_> will 12.04 also have unity ?
[23:20] <msg> am having a weird problem. Almost every time I press Alt-tab all my menu icons disappear and the application bar dissapears.
[23:20] <zykotick9> The_Phantom_Rat_: of course
[23:20] <mgaunard_> The_Phantom_Rat_: no they're going back to GNOME 2
[23:21] <The_Phantom_Rat_> looks im staying with 10.04
[23:21] <The_Phantom_Rat_> wait their going back
[23:21] <cfhowlett> The_Phantom_Rat_: smart move...
[23:21] <The_Phantom_Rat_> so it will be like 10.04 but refined
[23:21] <recon_lap> mgaunard_: is that true or are you joking
[23:21] <jschall> where can I reliably find a deb package of the latest nvidia beta (currently 295.17)? I tried just downloading the deb from xorg-edgers, but it has dependencies within xorg-edgers and I do not want to run an unstable version of X. any help?
[23:22] <The_Phantom_Rat_> ya i hate unity too arty farty for me
[23:22] <mgaunard_> recon_lap: I wish it were true
[23:22] <zykotick9> The_Phantom_Rat_: "going back" where did you hear that?  Shuttleworth has said they're sticking to Unity
[23:22] <The_Phantom_Rat_> from mgaunard
[23:23] <The_Phantom_Rat_> its up there after ur comment
[23:23] <zykotick9> The_Phantom_Rat_: they're wrong
[23:23] <recon_lap> mgaunard_: i tough so, hopefully by 13.04 i wont find it so annoying
[23:23] <jschall> they're most definitely not going back to gnome 2
[23:23] <cfhowlett> recon_lap: x/l/buntu are also available...
[23:23] <e4xit> I am trying to install the game uplink from here: http://developer.ubuntu.com/2012/02/top-10-ubuntu-app-downloads-for-january-2012/ but when it takes me to the software centre it says there is no such file?
[23:23] <The_Phantom_Rat_> mgaunard_: you said their going back to gnome 2 right
[23:23] <mgaunard_> recon_lap: I don't think that it's possible to not find it annoying. It's just ill-suited to power users.
[23:24] <gogeta> jschall: nope xfce is going to be the replacment
[23:24] <mgaunard_> jschall: download it and install it yourself
[23:24] <catcher> What's the name of the screenshot app installed by default in ubuntu 11?
[23:25] <ActionParsnip> !info gnome-screenshot | catcher
[23:25] <The_Phantom_Rat_> wait what 12.04 is out
[23:25] <gogeta> The_Phantom_Rat_: mate is the forke to make a gtk3 gnome 2 its still very new but you can use it today if you whant thers a ppa
[23:25] <ActionParsnip> The_Phantom_Rat_: its in Alpha2 now
[23:25] <catcher> ty ActionParsnip
[23:25] <cfhowlett> The_Phantom_Rat_: 12.04 will be out in APRIL!
[23:25] <dragonfly> gogeta: sorry, i'm not really paying attention, but xfce is going to be ubuntu default replacement or you are going to be replacing unity with xfce on your system?
[23:25] <The_Phantom_Rat_> its not april
[23:25] <jschall> mgaunard_: would rather use the package because installing nvidia drivers myself breaks things badly if i want to go back. i've ended up with many a hosed box that way.
[23:25] <zykotick9> The_Phantom_Rat_: and 12.04 isn't released, imagine that
[23:25] <recon_lap> mgaunard_: i can see what they tring, but not for me atm, I am hoping that a year will make a big difference.
[23:25] <gogeta> dragonfly: useing sfce insteed of unity yes
[23:26] <gogeta> xfce
[23:26] <cfhowlett> dragonfly: xfce will be the default DE on Ubuntu Studio
[23:26] <The_Phantom_Rat_> aha but its not packed with gnome 2 in it
[23:26] <mgaunard_> recon_lap: it won't.
[23:26] <The_Phantom_Rat_> well then i go back to my previous statment i hate UNITY
[23:26] <The_Phantom_Rat_> im sticking with 10.04
[23:27] <jschall> i'm going to try installing the one from xorg-edgers with --ignore-depends
[23:27] <mgaunard_> The_Phantom_Rat_: or you could just upgrade to 11.10 and disable unity
[23:27] <gogeta> The_Phantom_Rat_: thats fine for now but i think the next version is lts replacing 10.04
[23:27] <gogeta> The_Phantom_Rat_: get xubuntu its ubuntu with xfce by defult
[23:27] <The_Phantom_Rat_> ya every .04 is lts
[23:27] <recon_lap> lts is 3 years is it not?
[23:27] <jschall> nope, doesn't work
[23:27] <ActionParsnip> The_Phantom_Rat_: I'd just install xubuntu if Unity isn't your bag
[23:27] <The_Phantom_Rat_> yes 3 years
[23:28] <recon_lap> 10.04 + 3 = 13.04
[23:28] <zykotick9> The_Phantom_Rat_: no, .04 is realased every year, LTS is every 2
[23:28] <recon_lap> aww crap
[23:28] <The_Phantom_Rat_> o ya
[23:28] <mgaunard_> 11.10 works fine once you've spent a couple of hours setting it up to disable unity and properly emulate a GNOME2-like environment
[23:28] <The_Phantom_Rat_> im slow havent slept in ....3 days
[23:28] <The_Phantom_Rat_> and its 2:30am here in Ethiopia
[23:28] <gogeta> The_Phantom_Rat_: GO TO BED
[23:29] <ActionParsnip> mgaunard_: I'd just install a different DE, simpler time
[23:29] <The_Phantom_Rat_> so on that note thank you guys for the help and the chat ill catch you tomorrow
[23:29] <webmaster> i need install git server in ubuntu 10.10
[23:29] <recon_lap> The_Phantom_Rat_:  go to bed, 3 days without sleep is dangerous
[23:29] <The_Phantom_Rat_> yea it is
[23:29] <The_Phantom_Rat_> thanks guys
[23:29] <The_Phantom_Rat_> cheers
[23:30] <recon_lap> The_Phantom_Rat_: goodnight
[23:30] <catcher> I tried adding a custom keyboard shortcut for gnome-screenshot -a, and no luck..
[23:30] <catcher> Also tried /usr/bin/gnome-screenshot -a  (which is where my g-s bin is)
[23:31] <catcher> Do I need to run exec or something?
[23:31] <catcher> I should point out running it from the terminal works well, and the normal prtscrn shortcut works well.
[23:31] <webmaster> como instalar servidor git en ubuntu 10.10
[23:31] <cfhowlett> !es|webmaster:
[23:32] <mikej2> Anyone here used live-boot with Ubuntu? I'm having some problems with creating a network boot image with a plain chroot filesystem (squashfs just works).
[23:32] <ActionParsnip> catcher: could use:   import -window root ~/screenshot.png         install imagemagick and you can use that :)
[23:32] <jschall> how do i get the nvidia beta drivers (295.17)? last time I tried installing using nvidia's installer i ended up with a hosed ubuntu installation
[23:33] <zykotick9> ActionParsnip: scrot is a really hand cli screenshot app
[23:33] <ActionParsnip> zykotick9: same kinda bag
[23:36] <gexol> hi guys
[23:36] <cfhowlett> gexol: greetings
[23:36] <recon_lap> goodnight
[23:36] <CJKay> jschall: Download the driver from their website and don't hose your system this time
[23:37] <CJKay> gexol: Hello
[23:37] <jschall> CJKay: except that installing the thing at all hoses the system, because it replaces files that were placed there by the package manager
[23:38] <gexol> I've installed ubuntu minimal from pendrive, but the boot loader GRUB was installed on pendrive. How do I get to install GRUB on hard disk?
[23:38] <jschall> real useful advice, CJKay/ubuntu channel. i'll leave you to arguing about unity now, i guess...
[23:38] <CJKay> jschall: sudo apt-get remove nvidia-current then
[23:38] <cfhowlett> !grub|gexol
[23:39] <jschall> CJKay: replaces files that are in X, too, i think
[23:39] <CharminTheMoose> Can I delete /dev/sdX and/or /dev/hdX device files whilst udev is running and not worry about them automagically being recreated?
[23:39] <gexol> thanks cfhowlett
[23:39] <CJKay> I never had that problem
[23:39] <jschall> CJKay: anyway, last time i tried installing it, i wanted to revert for some reason, and trying to install nvidia-current again hosed the system
[23:39] <CJKay> I've done it manually more times than I've done it via apt
[23:39] <CJKay> Strange
[23:39] <CJKay> That definitely shouldn't have happened
[23:40] <gexol> can someone advice me a minimal graphic browser?
[23:40] <jschall> CJKay: also iirc there's something set to prevent the nvidia installer from even running that you have to change if you want to manually install
[23:40] <jschall> CJKay: which shouldn't be there if manually installing was "safe"
[23:40] <helo1> Spec: This line returns Permission denied. echo "*/5 * * * *   username     /full/path/to/script" >> /etc/cron.d/myscriptname
[23:40] <CJKay> Not that I remember
[23:40] <helo1> I tried it with sudo
[23:40] <birbante80> ciao
[23:40] <birbante80> !list
[23:40] <CJKay> Just need to be in the right runlevel because you don't want it running at the same time as X
[23:40] <cfhowlett> !it|birbante80:
[23:41] <jschall> CJKay: anyway, bottom line is that a deb package can be safely reverted and nvidia's installer can't. so i want a deb package if at all possible.
[23:42] <CJKay> In that case I don't know of anywhere distributing beta packages
[23:42] <jschall> CJKay: and it's available from xorg-edgers but that involves using xorg-edgers which gives you unstable X, as well
[23:43] <jschall> CJKay: and since ppa-purge doesn't ever work at all, reverting a ppa is basically impossible.
[23:43] <jschall> CJKay: except in the simplest of circumstances, of course
[23:43] <CJKay> May I ask what exactly do you need specifically of the beta drivers over the stable ones?
[23:44] <jschall> CJKay: fixes a vdpau bug i have, i hope
[23:44] <subh> hi i am getting this error wht is possible reason http://pastebin.com/4zkc9JuU
[23:45] <cfhowlett> !python|subh
[23:45] <jschall> actually, i think i'll just install xorg-edgers
[23:45] <CJKay> jschall: Ubuntu version?
[23:45] <theunsureguy> random Q - what's a good channel for unix beginners? one's primarily playing with OS X terminal?
[23:45] <jschall> CJKay: oneiric
[23:46] <birbante80> ciao
[23:47] <birbante80> !list
[23:47] <Spec> helo1: sorry. sudo su -, and then run it.
[23:47] <brontosaurusrex> theunsureguy: maybe #bash
[23:47] <kraz3d> What's a simple photo editor similiar to Microsoft Paint for linux?
[23:47] <xytras> could i pay some one here to install a raidcontroller on ubuntu 10.11 x64
[23:47] <Tammis> Look at this:
[23:48] <theunsureguy> brontosaurusrex - is there a channel on this network called #bash? - thanks!
[23:48] <Tammis> "lord knows i would love nothing better then to rape castrate skewer through on a spit and tear the throut out of the bitch doctor that circumcised my person asa newborn at the time it was done to me"
[23:48] <dragonfly> kraz3d: it's not exactly simple and way more featured than you are probably looking for, but GIMP is really good
[23:48] <urlin2u> xytras, 10.11?
[23:48] <Tammis> Anyone else feel the same?
[23:48] <xytras> yes urlin2u
[23:48] <brontosaurusrex> theunsureguy: yes
[23:48] <ablyss> kraz3d, kolourpaint is good
[23:48] <kraz3d> dragonfly: Yeah, I've messed with gimp a little bit. I was just hoping for something a tiny bit simpler.
[23:48] <urlin2u> !op | Tammis
[23:48] <kraz3d> ablyss: Thanks, i'll check it out.
[23:48] <theunsureguy> brontosaurusrex
[23:48] <theunsureguy> brontosaurusrex - thanks*
[23:49] <CJKay> jschall: Looks like that's your only way m'afraid
[23:49] <urlin2u> xytras, that not a real OS it is 10.04 or 10.10
[23:49] <brontosaurusrex> theunsureguy: also maybe #mac
[23:49] <gexol> good night guys
[23:49] <urlin2u> xytras, or 11.04 0r 11.10
[23:49] <jellow> kraz3d: Perhaps TuxPaint would suit your needs
[23:50] <xytras> 11.10 sorry about that
[23:50] <ActionParsnip> kraz3d: mtpaint is simple
[23:50] <urlin2u> xytras, cool no problem. :)
[23:50] <xytras> would you be interested urlin2u?
[23:51] <urlin2u> I would help If I could xytras
[23:51] <LjL> xytras: this is not paid support... Canonical does offer paid support, see /msg ubottu !support for that - or perhaps just wait and see if someone can help you for free here
[23:52] <helo1> Spec: thanks. It appears to have worked. I'll come back in 5 and let you know the outcome
[23:52] <xytras> everok
[23:52] <xytras> OK**
[23:52]  * LjL LARTs Spec for sudo su :P
[23:52] <ToxiK> hello :)
[23:52] <Gskellig> what can I use to burn/extract a .dmg file in ubuntu?
[23:52] <mattalexx> In Banshee, I have an album that contains multiple artists. I have edited the tracks' meta data and set the "Album Artist" field with a consistent value, but the browser interface still lists every artist individually. What can I do about this?
[23:53] <LjL> Gskellig: you can extract it with p7zip-full, as to burning it, no idea
[23:53] <xytras> Well when i try to install the controller i run the make command it says something like it can only install on kernal 2.6 or 2.4 and version 2.0 is not supported... 11.10 is version 3 right?
[23:53] <LjL> !info linux-image
[23:54] <LjL> xytras: apparently, yes
[23:54] <mavrick95> hello ActionParsnip
[23:54] <mavrick95> hi zykotick9
[23:54] <LjL> xytras: maybe the Makefile is silly and only checks for the number after the dot :\
[23:54] <dicannamas> cant wait to have the new ubuntu version and get ready of so many system crashing
[23:54] <xytras> LjL what u mean?
[23:54] <_Marcus> How do I change the resolution of the command line(no GUI)
[23:54] <_Marcus> Right now it's big and annoying
[23:55] <xytras> brb getting the exact error
[23:55] <LjL> xytras: i mean if the kernel version is x.y, ity only checks for y>=4, and doesn't check for x, so it thinks kernel 3.0 is kernel 2.0
[23:55] <LjL> xytras: just a theory
[23:56] <_Marcus> It's currently like this: http://i.imgur.com/oIRgR.png and I want it less big. How would I do so? Is it Virtual Box settings?
[23:57] <Gskellig> p7zip-full "unknown suffix" with dmg file LjL
[23:57] <ActionParsnip> Gskellig: http://askubuntu.com/questions/38112/how-can-i-open-a-dmg
[23:57] <helo1> Spec: the script doesn't appear to be running
[23:57] <LjL> Gskellig: oh, weird, the APT description said it supports it :\
[23:58] <helo1> Spec: is there a way I can check if it is for sure?
[23:58] <cfhowlett> _Marcus: install guest additions should fix that
[23:59] <Gskellig> convert from .dmg to .img then convert from .img to .iso then burn
[23:59] <Gskellig> wow
[23:59] <Gskellig> thanks ActionParsnip lol
[23:59] <_Marcus> cfhowlett: How?
[23:59] <ActionParsnip> helo1: add echos and such in the script, so you can see what is going on
[23:59] <tigrang> When I put my computer to standby and resume, all I get is a black screen, no backlight. My dmesg log says "hash matches /build/buildd/linux-3.0.0/drivers/base/power/main.c:587" but theres no hash device for me to go on. Is there anything else I can do to debug this?
[23:59] <cfhowlett> _Marcus: check the virtual box help manual for "guest additions"


[00:25] <rbelem> Riddell, startactive in kubuntu-active ppa
[00:27] <rbelem> Riddell, bulldog98_, i think that plasma-mobile 2.1 fixes the touch issues
[07:58] <Riddell> ug, I fear I might not be very functional today
[07:58] <Riddell> got a cold and got a funeral to go to, not a great mix
[11:07] <apol> Riddell: hey, I don't know if it's expected or what, but I have many "active" packages installed :S
[11:51] <Riddell> apol: kde-workspace split up recently, did you do a dist-upgrade?
[11:55] <apol> Riddell: yes...
[11:55] <Riddell> apol: is it causing any problems?
[11:58] <apol> no
[11:58] <apol> not really no
[11:58] <Riddell> phew :)
[11:58] <Riddell> well make sure to look out of that during upgrade testing then
[11:58] <apol> it just looked ugly, so I wondered if that was known/intentional
[11:59] <Riddell> I've not tested upgrade on it yet so indeed not known to me
[11:59] <Riddell> the split is intentional but it would be best not to have the active bits installed if possible for desktop users
[12:00] <rbelem> Riddell, hi
[12:01] <Riddell> hi rbelem
[12:01] <rbelem> :-)
[12:01] <Riddell> rbelem: I'm about to run off, needing something from me?
[12:01] <rbelem> Riddell, upload startactive :-)
[12:02] <rbelem> Riddell, i'm working on plasma-mobile 2.1, but it is not working yet
[12:03] <Riddell> rbelem: it's uploaded
[12:03] <Riddell> needs approval from a release team member
[12:03] <Riddell> so ping ScottK or another member
[12:03] <Riddell> rbelem: is plasma-mobile 2.1 released?
[12:04] <Riddell> it's not on kde's ftpmaster
[12:04] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm running off to a funeral, if you're around and can do the release team meeting that would be good
[12:05] <rbelem> Riddell, they said something in the mailing list about 2.1, i will look for it
[12:07] <Riddell> rbelem: on plasma-devel?
[12:07] <rbelem> Riddell, yup
[12:09] <Riddell> I can't see anything about 2.1 on plasma-devel or the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>mailing list
[12:10]  * Riddell out
[13:20] <rbelem> mgraesslin, ping
[13:23] <mgraesslin> rbelem: pong
[13:24] <rbelem> mgraesslin, i tested the kwinactive and it is working really nice :-)
[13:25] <mgraesslin> good
[13:25] <rbelem> mgraesslin, it is already in the repos
[13:25] <mgraesslin> any changes you have done to PA which needs to be upstreamed?
[13:26] <rbelem> mgraesslin, just that one that i shown to you, but already upstreamed
[13:26] <mgraesslin> which one?
[13:26] <rbelem> mgraesslin, and i had to backport from master to 4.8.2
[13:27] <rbelem> mgraesslin, those ifdefs because of the xrender
[13:27] <mgraesslin> no, I mean changes to Plasma Active to pick kwin_active instead of kwin
[13:28] <rbelem> mgraesslin, just an one line patch
[13:28] <mgraesslin> where is it?
[13:28] <rbelem> replacing kwin_gles by kwinactive_gles
[13:28] <rbelem> in startactive
[13:29] <mgraesslin> is there a review request for it?
[13:29] <rbelem> not yet
[13:29] <mgraesslin> I cannot push the kwin patch without that one
[13:29] <rbelem> hum...
[13:29] <rbelem> mgraesslin, let me grab the patch
[13:31] <yofel> apol: from what I see there are no active binaries installed in a default system. Do you have kde-workspace-dev installed? That'll pull some in
[13:33] <rbelem> mgraesslin, http://paste.kde.org/456710/
[13:33] <mgraesslin> rbelem: could you please post a review request for it?
[13:33] <rbelem> mgraesslin, sure :-)
[13:35] <apol> yofel: yes
[14:04] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: If I check updates with the Muon updater window open and it finds new updates, it (as it should) places the updates available icon in the systray, but then when I install the updates from the already open updater window, the icon doesn't go away.  Seems like a bug.  Known?
[14:20] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:42] <BluesKaj> I'm having problems with an /etc/init.d/rc.d  startup script ... it's not starting the service , altho I followed the readme instructions for invoking the script at startup.
[15:06] <rbelem> mgraesslin, here is the review request https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/104590/
[15:06] <rbelem> :-)
[15:06] <mgraesslin> cool
[15:06] <mgraesslin> and thanks
[15:06] <mgraesslin> I'll send a mail to the active ml about it
[15:07] <rbelem> thanks mgraesslin
[15:07] <rbelem> :-)
[15:13] <afiestas_> any help on this? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/101698909/buildlog.txt.gz
[15:13] <afiestas_> I think I have to add cyberspace ppa into the recipe
[15:13] <afiestas_> but dunno how to do that
[15:18] <BluesKaj> i'll ask again, I'm having problems with an /etc/rcX.d  startup script ... it's not starting the service , altho I followed the readme instructions for invoking the script at startup. Is the /etc/rcX.d file the right place or have things changed?
[15:19] <bulldog98> afiestas_: for which ppa does the recipe builds?
[15:19] <ScottK> BluesKaj: I'd ask in #ubuntu-server.  Probably more people there that mess with that kind of thing.
[15:20] <BluesKaj> ok ScottK , I'll try there
[15:28] <afiestas_> bulldog98: https://launchpad.net/~cyberspace/+archive/cyber-stuff
[15:29] <bulldog98> afiestas_: hm maybe you should ask in #launchpad they know lp better then us :)
[15:54] <rbelem> mgraesslin, i will update the PA patches to match what notmart said
[15:55] <mgraesslin> ok
[16:31] <bulldog98> rbelem: ?
[18:18] <rbelem> bulldog98, pong
[18:18] <bulldog98> rbelem: what PA patch?
[18:18] <bulldog98> and what’s PA?
[18:19] <rbelem> bulldog98, plasma active
[18:19] <rbelem> :-)
[18:19] <rbelem> bulldog98, does QT_FLUSH_PAINT=1 works for you?
[18:19] <rbelem> Riddell, ^
[18:19] <bulldog98> now that you said it :)
[18:19] <rbelem> yofel, ^
[18:22] <rbelem> afiestas, ^
[18:22] <bulldog98> rbelem: where to set?
[18:23] <rbelem> bulldog98, cmdline `QT_FLUSH_PAINT=1 qmlviewer`
[18:23] <bulldog98> is /usr/bin/startactive ok?
[18:23] <rbelem> bulldog98, yup
[18:23] <rbelem> bulldog98, i think Riddell uploaded it
[18:23] <rbelem> :-0
[18:23] <rbelem> ops
[18:23] <rbelem> :-)
[18:25] <bulldog98> rbelem: what’s the patch about?
[18:26] <afiestas> rbelem: dunno waht that does
[18:28] <rbelem> bulldog98, build kwin with a different name when enable it in cmake
[18:28] <bulldog98> ah that
[18:28] <rbelem> afiestas, it should flicker when repainting
[18:31] <rbelem> afiestas, bulldog98, http://aseigo.blogspot.com.br/2006/03/better-than-watching-paint-dry.html
[18:35] <Ezim> is dolphin animation bug well known?
[18:35] <Ezim> kde 4.8.2
[18:39] <bulldog98> rbelem: I don’t see any difference
[18:41] <rbelem> bulldog98, same here :-(
[18:42] <rbelem> bulldog98, afiestas, it should do something like that http://qt-project.org/videos/watch/the-last-mile-effective-debugging-and-profiling-for-qt-and-qt-quick
[18:43] <rbelem> 00:18:00 more or less
[18:44] <bulldog98> Riddell: why does calligraactive pulles in calligra{sheets,stage,words} ? that is not intended I’d say, since on active we don’t want the others installed
[18:45] <bulldog98> rbelem: btw active-settings work with touch
[18:46] <rbelem> bulldog98, i think we cannot update plasma-active to 2.1 :-(
[18:46] <bulldog98> rbelem: why?
[18:46] <rbelem> bulldog98, we will need  your patches
[18:46] <bulldog98> rbelem: for what?
[18:46] <bulldog98> get rid of kde 4.9 deps?
[18:47] <rbelem> bulldog98, the touch issue
[18:47] <bulldog98> ?????
[18:47] <rbelem> bulldog98, the touch issues that you said in the about dialog
[18:47] <bulldog98> not only there
[18:48] <rbelem> bulldog98, where more?
[18:48] <bulldog98> rbelem: browser
[18:48] <rbelem> bulldog98, did you fixed that?
[18:48] <rbelem> s/fixed/fix/
[18:48] <bulldog98> not yet, I had stuff to do for university today
[18:48] <rbelem> bulldog98, oki
[18:49]  * bulldog98 will try to fix that now
[18:49] <rbelem> bulldog98, i dont have hardware to test
[18:49] <bulldog98> rbelem: who has hardware to test? (else than me)
[18:52] <rbelem> :-D
[18:52] <rbelem> bulldog98, i think Quintasan_ and shadeslayer
[18:52] <bulldog98> maybe we should try to get you hardware too
[18:54] <rbelem> bulldog98, maybe bluesystems could sponsor me one :-D
[18:55] <rbelem> bulldog98, afiestas, did you see the video?
[18:55] <bulldog98> rbelem: not yet, I’m trying to get rid of the touch problem
[18:56] <rbelem> oki
[19:00] <bulldog98> rbelem: I’ve got the feeling like the FlickableWebView.qml is causing all the touch trouble
[19:01] <Darkwing> Strange...
[19:01] <Darkwing> Do you guys use skype in the repository or, downloaded from the website?
[19:02] <rbelem> Darkwing, repository
[19:03] <Darkwing> ahhh, okay.
[19:03] <Darkwing> Maybe that's why it keeps marking it for uninstall.
[19:11] <kabob> Okay.  I was testing Samba connections through Dolphin.  I only happen to get a server timeout.  I can successfully connect to that share from a Windows computer.
[19:13] <rbelem> kabob, hum... so, the issue is only from linux to linux, right?
[19:13] <kabob> rbelem:  The share is hosted from WinXP.
[19:14] <rbelem> kabob, ah! ok
[19:14] <rbelem> kabob, i thought that it was another issue
[19:15] <kabob> It also fails to open a share from Vista.
[19:16] <kabob> Scratch that, It recognizes this machine on that network.
[19:50] <kabob> So, no help with that then?
[20:05] <bulldog98> rbelem: hm the open-slx image runs without problems
[20:05] <bulldog98> so the problem must be on our side
[20:05] <rbelem> bulldog98, :-/
[20:06] <bulldog98> rbelem: have you got a live session open?
[20:06] <bulldog98> btw our current iso doesn’t fully boot
[20:06] <rbelem> bulldog98, yesterday was ok
[20:07] <rbelem> bulldog98, i will download today image
[20:09] <bulldog98> rbelem: do we have the qml feedreader in the repro?
[20:16] <rbelem> bulldog98, no idea
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: yeah, known
[20:43] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: OK.  I won't file a bug then.  Please fix.  Highly annoying.
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> ugh, I'm still getting that glibc crash w/ Qt Creator :(
[21:24] <yofel> Ezim: which animation bug?
[21:25] <Ezim> yofel, dolphin
[21:25] <yofel> and what's the bug?
[21:25] <yofel> dolphin works pretty fine for me
[21:28] <Ezim> yofel, animation when you max/min dolphin
[21:29] <Ezim> in 4.8.0 folders in dolphin and stuff could reorganized.
[21:29] <Ezim> :) not end of the world but something missing
[21:29] <Ezim> I have had almost no time to play with 4.8.1 and 4.8.2.
[21:30] <yofel> I never really payed attention to the animation :/
[21:34] <Ezim> yofel, let me see if I find youtube clip.
[21:36] <Ezim> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81PGq5zJG6Y   <<<--- yofel
[21:36] <yofel> I'll look at it in a big
[21:36] <yofel> *bit
[21:36] <Ezim> I think you will understand me better now
[21:44] <yofel> Ezim: ah, the reodering isn't animated anymore?
[21:44] <yofel> *reordering
[21:44] <Ezim> yofel, exactly.
[21:44] <Ezim> with 4.8.1 and 4.8.2 it have stopped working.
[21:45] <yofel> noted, I'll see if I can find something later
[21:47] <Ezim> http://cristalinux.blogspot.se/2012/04/kde-sc-482-available.html
[21:47] <Ezim> yofel, this blogger have also noticed it
[21:52] <yofel> Ezim: as dolphin 2.0.95 in neon has the same behaviour, I would say it's an upstream change, but I'll see if I can find some proof for that
[21:54] <Ezim> yofel, thx.
[21:56] <Ezim> what is the difference between kword and calligraword?
[21:57] <yofel> Ezim: kword: koffice, calligraword: calligra
[21:58] <yofel> the same thing really
[21:58] <Ezim> yofel, one of them have come with new release.
[21:58] <yofel> in precise kword is a transitional package that installs calligrawords
[22:00] <Ezim> yofel, okey. playing with calligrawords
[22:00] <Ezim> nice ui
[22:01] <Ezim> but libreoffice still works better
[22:01] <Ezim> even if libreoffice is much more buggy then openoffice was/is
[22:20] <yofel> Ezim: yeah, it's an upstream change, but I would have to bisect the git history to tell you the exact commit. There are severl animation changes
[22:20] <yofel> feel free to file a bug upstream
[22:21] <Ezim> yofel, okey. thx for the info.


[04:29] <tritium> crimsun: you around?
[05:04] <crimsun> tritium: hi
[05:07] <tritium> hi crimsun.  Sorry, I figured out what I was going to ask you about.  :)
[05:07] <tritium> And my wife will beat me if I don't get off the computer now!
[05:08] <jldugger> spousal abuse is funnay! ;)
[12:17] <jsgotangco> wohoooo
[07:58] <pwnguin_> so i got the nvidia binary to hibernate, but there's some interestingly scary / ugly color patterns that show up on restarting. after a bit it goes away and brings up the unlock screen, but its still strange
[07:58] <pwnguin_> any ideas on something in /etc/defaults/acpi-support that might be set wrong?
[08:01] <mjg59> No
[08:01] <mjg59> We don't control initialisaiton of the binary drivers
[08:01] <Treenaks> it's probably just some driver bug, or bios bug
[08:02] <Treenaks> or some interaction between the two
[11:05] <simira> pwnguin_: it's known and harmless


[07:09] <llutz> kaminix: odd
[07:09] <kaminix> I do have  /media/sda5/k3b_0.img.toc as well. Anything about that?
[07:11] <llutz> kaminix: how did you create this image? k3b usually just creates an .iso without any toc (table of contents) file
[07:13] <kaminix> llutz: Just followed the instructions. Create image file. :s
[07:13] <llutz> kaminix: i just checked that, this is what k3b created when "copy CD to image": cdrom.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data UDF filesystem data (unknown version, id 'NSR01') 'CDROM                          ' (bootable)
[07:15] <kaminix> llutz: Strange. Well, doesn't matter. I did a workaround kinda, so I've reached my goal anyhow. Thanks a lot for the help though.
[07:15] <happydanceparty> what does this mean?:checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[07:16] <genii> toc=table of contents
[07:16] <mrksbrd> anyone know why I would get "unable to read block........." errors when attempting an install.....the disc works on my laptop w/o any probs, but when I attempt an install on my desktop i get a million errors
[07:16] <kaminix> Seems k3b is about 100 times faster ripping audio then KAudioKreator.
[07:17] <Sanne> happydanceparty: usually it means, you need the package build-essential
[07:17] <p3t3r> hello!
[07:18] <nosredna_ekim> hello
[07:18] <happydanceparty> well i installed the gcc with synaptic
[07:19] <Sanne> happydanceparty: try build-essential, I think you need some more packages than only gcc.
[07:19] <kaminix> Is k3b ripping and encoding in real-time? KAudioKreator first ripped then encoded...
[07:19] <happydanceparty> i will do that ty
[07:20] <hitmanWilly> kaminix: i think k3b encodes on the fly by default
[07:20] <kaminix> hitmanWilly: Well, it went REALLY fast. O_o
[07:21] <hitmanWilly> kaminix: that's good then :)
[07:21] <kaminix> No, it has me worrying if it's done correctly :p :D
[07:22] <hitmanWilly> kaminix: you could check the log to see if it spit back any errors
[07:22] <jcs7778> if im in a terminal only session and i type something like ifconfig or help and the output gose off the top of the screen is there a way for me to go up and see what that output is, page up button doesn't seem to work or do anything at all
[07:22] <hitmanWilly> jcs7778: use it with | less
[07:23] <jcs7778> what?
[07:23] <hitmanWilly> jcs7778: ie ifconfig | less
[07:23] <jcs7778> oh
[07:25] <happydanceparty> what is a .so file?
[07:25] <hitmanWilly> happydanceparty: a shared library, kinda like a dll
[07:26] <nosredna_ekim> happydanceparty: "shared object" an object is a library
[07:27] <happydanceparty> ok i used synaptec to install libvorbis stuff but i am getting this error: error while loading shared libraries: libvorbisfile.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:28] <hitmanWilly> happydanceparty: you may need the -dev package
[07:28] <nosredna_ekim> happydanceparty: vorbis stuff is installed by default.... what were you installing?
[07:28] <happydanceparty> i am trying to run stepmania
[07:28] <happydanceparty> familiar?
[07:29] <happydanceparty> the -dev package seems to be installed
[07:30] <happydanceparty> maybe i am not executing the file correctly
[07:30] <happydanceparty> the command would be ./stepmania right?
[07:38] <abcde_> hello
[07:39] <nosredna_ekim> hello
[07:39] <abcde_> where do I get x11-dbus or dbus-x11 package? I am trying to install kde4b1
[07:39] <abcde_> apt is complaining that this package doesn't exist when I try installing kde4base-dev
[07:40] <annkas> help me to extend /home - I have a 40 gb hd, but only 3,7 is used for /home :-(
[07:40] <abcde_> annkas create a new partition
[07:40] <abcde_> and move your /home to it :)
[07:40] <annkas> abcde_: why create a new, can't I just extend /home?
[07:41] <abcde_> annkas: not sure :\
[07:41] <trekdanne> annkas: you can
[07:41] <abcde_> so anyone using kde4?
[07:41] <trekdanne> annkas: easiest to do with a livecd
[07:41] <trekdanne> abcde_: yes
[07:41] <abcde_> trekdanne: does your system have x11-dbus?
[07:42] <abcde_> feisty 7.04 is what I have here
[07:42] <trekdanne> ace_: x11-dbus?
[07:42] <abcde_> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php <- these directions are broken for feisty
[07:42] <abcde_> trekdanne: yes it's a package name that kde4base-dev depends on
[07:44] <trekdanne> abcde_: hmm not sure.. i built a svn version
[07:44] <abcde_> trekdanne: can you run this command: dpkg -l | grep x11-dbus, and let me know if it returns something?
[07:44] <abcde_> oh
[07:44] <trekdanne> hmm
[07:44] <trekdanne> !find x11-dbus
[07:44] <abcde_> maybe I force the install and see if I can get by without x11-dbus
[07:45] <ubotu> Package/file x11-dbus does not exist in feisty
[07:45] <abcde_> lol
[07:45] <trekdanne> broken package?
[07:45] <abcde_> then why does kde4base-dev depend on it!
[07:45] <abcde_> :(
[07:46] <keh7d> does anyone have any recommendations on a wireless pci card that works for x64 kubuntu?
[07:46] <trekdanne> i don't understand what x11-dbus should containt that libdbus doesn't
[07:46] <trekdanne> contain
[07:46] <kaminix> One more time then. ^^ Anyone know how to make mplayer skip the first 3 or 4 seconds when doing the dumpstream? -ss did not work with dumpstream, it only works with playback.
[07:46] <trekdanne> !find libdbus
[07:46] <ubotu> Found: libdbus-glib-1-2, libdbus-glib-1-dev, libdbus-glib-1-doc, libdbus-qt-1-1c2, libdbus-qt-1-dev (and 2 others)
[07:47] <gandhii> how do I exit out of the "test monitor" screen?
[07:48] <annkas> what do i write to find out how much free space on hd?
[07:48] <trekdanne> abcde_: i'd say libdbus1.3 libdbus1-dev would be sufficent
[07:49] <gandhii> how do I exit out of the "test monitor" screen?  (the one in system settings where you change your monitor settings)
[07:49] <trekdanne> abcde_: probably should ask in #kubuntu-devel what up with that package
[07:49] <abcde_> trekdanne: thanks
[07:50] <steveire> Do any of you use kmail? Is there some way to make it so that if I read a mail in kmail it gets marked as read in gmail?
[07:50] <moriancumer> annkas: df -h
[07:51] <trekdanne> steveire: no. google only got POP. maybe that's some hack tho
[07:51] <nosredna_ekim> steveire: hmm dunno.
[07:51] <steveire> trekdanne: Does imap do thid?
[07:51] <steveire> that*
[07:51] <nosredna_ekim> steveire: I doubt it.
[07:52] <trekdanne> steveire: IIRC yes
[07:52] <steveire> Is anything capable of it?
[07:52] <steveire> hmm. So now I want gmail to support imap.
[07:52] <nosredna_ekim> on a related note, does anyone know how to recover a toolbar in kmail from "flatmode"?
[07:53] <trekdanne> steveire: yea send them some mail
[07:54] <steveire> on another kmail theme, is it possible to preserve threads when sending them to folders? mails are threaded in inbox, but no other folder...
[07:55] <runlevelten> steveire: threading is a per-folder view setting, that's all.
[07:56] <runlevelten> steveire: Just thread messages in that folder, too. :)
[07:56] <Shaezsche> how can i empty Root's trash?
[07:57] <runlevelten> Shaezsche: use konqy as root to open trash:/
[07:58] <runlevelten> then shift+delete everything you see.
[07:58] <steveire> I'm not seeing anything about threading in the folder properties
[07:58] <Shaezsche> how do i open trash? when i sudo konqueror its just the file dir
[07:58] <Shaezsche> i dont know where trash is
[07:58] <happydanceparty> so i take it a program compiled for i386 won't run on ubuntu x64?
[07:58] <runlevelten> that's why I said open trash:/
[07:59] <runlevelten> open trash:/
[07:59] <trekdanne> Shaezsche: go to the url "trash:/"
[07:59] <runlevelten> type trash:/ in the address bar :)
[07:59] <nosredna_ekim> steveire: its in there somewhere
[07:59] <alexandros1> which is the BEST application for image editing like Photoshop but for Kubuntu/Linux ?
[07:59] <runlevelten> steveire: have a look around then.
[07:59] <runlevelten> alexandros1: Define BEST
[07:59] <runlevelten> !best
[07:59] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[07:59] <alexandros1> well
[07:59] <alexandros1> most famous
[08:00] <runlevelten> GIMP, Cinepaint are good.
[08:00] <runlevelten> I use GIMP, and I also use photoshop
[08:00] <runlevelten> Photoshop runs in Wine.
[08:00] <trekdanne> alexandros1: Ps with emulation layer is probably best
[08:00] <alexandros1> which one is the one which mostly resembles Photoshop?
[08:00] <alexandros1> I'd like to avoid wine
[08:00] <alexandros1> if possible
[08:00] <abcde_> gimp
[08:00] <trekdanne> my graphic friends says there's no suppsitute for Ps
[08:00] <nosredna_ekim> happydanceparty: actually you can make it :)
[08:00] <alexandros1> ok then
[08:00] <alexandros1> thanks guys :)
[08:00] <runlevelten> Gimp is fine for most stuff.
[08:01] <trekdanne> hmm indeed gimp is high quality software
[08:01] <runlevelten> Photoshop is proprietary software which sucks, but when you need it for something, wine supports it just fine.
[08:01] <alexandros1> oh I see
[08:02] <happydanceparty> i guess i'll compile it from src
[08:02] <runlevelten> I think it was Pixar who paid for that alexandros1.
[08:02] <runlevelten> *Paid codeweavers to get PS working in wine.
[08:02] <trekdanne> most people never buy photoshop.. making their immatrial rights to the product media invalid
[08:02] <alexandros1> wow
[08:03] <alexandros1> that makes sense
[08:03] <alexandros1> Pixar must be using lots of  *ux
[08:03] <runlevelten> A lot of these companies use Linux a lot, yeah.
[08:03] <keh7d> could anyone make a recommendation on a wireless card that works out of the box for kubuntu
[08:04] <nosredna_ekim> !hardware
[08:04] <keh7d> thankx
[08:04] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[08:05] <runlevelten> 'twas Disney too, IIRC.
[08:05] <runlevelten> Anyway, it works.
[08:06] <runlevelten> I can vouch for 5.5 and 7 being great.
[08:06] <steveire> Hmmm, yes threading in other folders does seem to work. Cheers.
[08:06] <runlevelten> steveire: np :)
[08:11] <Some_Person> test
[08:12] <Some_Person> test
[08:13] <Some_Person> I've been a GNOME user for years, but I finally decided to try KDE. I am running the Kubuntu Live CD with nVidia GLX enabled. Do you have any suggestions for me?
[08:14] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: have fun :)
[08:14] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: you want effects I assume ;)
[08:14] <Some_Person> I an very confused with KDE at the moment. I was so confused I installed nVidia GLX from terminal.
[08:14] <nosredna_ekim> lol.
[08:14] <Some_Person> effects?
[08:15] <nosredna_ekim> Beyl/compiz...
[08:15] <nosredna_ekim> *beryl
[08:15] <Some_Person> Nah, I don't care about that.
[08:15] <nosredna_ekim> oh.. ok
[08:15] <Some_Person> They are too buggy for me (or at least on Ubuntu)
[08:16] <sanzanri1> how is nvidia relate then?
[08:16] <nosredna_ekim> indeed.... well the one thing I would reccomend is messing around with themes and you'll see how configurable KDE is in that regard :)
[08:16] <Some_Person> nVidia gives me: 1024x768 and 85hz
[08:16] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: and you want higher?
[08:16] <Some_Person> 1024x768 is exactly what I want
[08:17] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: ok.....
[08:17] <sanzanri1> oh?
[08:17] <Some_Person> When I first booted this live cd it gave me 800x600
[08:17] <nosredna_ekim> oh you are in the liveCD... :) didn't see that
[08:17] <Some_Person> I am
[08:18] <Some_Person> I am trying to decide which I like better: KDE or GNOME.
[08:18] <nosredna_ekim> well, you don't have to erase gnome/ubutnu to install kubuntu.... you can simply run "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"  in your installation of ubutnu
[08:18] <Some_Person> I thought the live cd would be a good way to do it
[08:18] <nosredna_ekim> and that will give you a live install
[08:18] <nosredna_ekim> ah.. ok.
[08:18] <Some_Person> Uhh, will that work with less than 500MB free space?
[08:18] <ScarFreewill> does kde have its own compositing window manager?
[08:19] <nosredna_ekim> ScarFreewill: no... but KDE4 does.
[08:19] <nosredna_ekim> ScarFreewill: it can do transparency and such things though
[08:19] <Some_Person> Right now I kinda like KDE, but it's very confusing. More confusing when I first tried GNOME.
[08:20] <ScarFreewill> nosredna_ekim: is it kwin in kde4?
[08:20] <nosredna_ekim> ScarFreewill: yes, but a new version I believe..
[08:20] <Some_Person> And when I first tried GNOME was when I first tried Linux
[08:20] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: it would be... gnome is so dead simple.
[08:20] <nosredna_ekim> and unconfigurable.
[08:21] <Sheazsche> is anybody familiar with Kiso?
[08:21] <Sheazsche> is there a trick to getting this to work? i'd like to be able to mount iso images with a right click
[08:21] <ScarFreewill> nosredna_ekim: I've got kde4beta, how can i test it out?
[08:21] <happydanceparty> so how do i get OpenGL installed
[08:21] <Some_Person> Where is the dang control panel or whatever KDE uses?
[08:21] <happydanceparty> i have tried to install nvidia driver but i can't get X server to close
[08:22] <nosredna_ekim> ScarFreewill: I'm not sure actually.To tell you the truth.. I couldn't figure it out myself.
[08:22] <ScarFreewill> Some_Person: kmenu --> System settings
[08:22] <Some_Person> kmenu?
[08:22] <alexandros1> man... gimp is awesome!!
[08:22] <alexandros1> ok its a bit slower than photoshop but still ....!
[08:22] <happydanceparty> dang, i have to go to work  :(
[08:22] <Some_Person> Agreed, The GIMP rules!
[08:22] <nosredna_ekim> ScarFreewill: but I need XGL so that might be it
[08:22] <ScarFreewill> alexandros1: yup :D
[08:22] <nosredna_ekim> haha... first time i've heard someone say that gimp is great.
[08:23] <alexandros1> I love it!
[08:23] <trekdanne> happydanceparty: nvidia drivers and then run nvidia-xconfig and restrat X and then nvidia-settings
[08:23] <Some_Person> The GIMP is like Photoshop but easier to use.
[08:23] <Some_Person> I did it a different way in the live cd
[08:23] <happydanceparty> nvidia driver won't install because x server is running
[08:23] <ScarFreewill> I like both kirta & gimp I use them both a lot
[08:23] <nosredna_ekim> krita is nice...
[08:24] <trekdanne> happydanceparty: don't use nvidias installer. run "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx" instead
[08:24] <alexandros1> ive been using photoshop for years and I love gimp cause there is no need to learn things from the beginning, its pretty much the same idea
[08:24] <ScarFreewill> nosredna_ekim: I like krita because I don't like gtk stuff like gimp thats usually all over my screen, but I like gimp because i'm used to it...
[08:25] <nosredna_ekim> ScarFreewill: eh... gtk within KDE doesn't really bother me.
[08:25] <trekdanne> happydanceparty: "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx" => "sudo nvidia-xconfig" => ctrl-alt-backspace => "sudo nvidia-settings"
[08:25] <happydanceparty> that installed fast..
[08:25] <Some_Person> happydanceparty: its easy, "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx", hit ALT+F2, type "sudo dpkg-configure xserver-xorg", select nvidia driver, when you get back to terminal type "killall Xorg" and X will restart using nvidia-glx
[08:25] <jjesse> ok i think i may have changed soemhting, but i'm no longer prompted to open the device in a new windwo when i plugin a usb drive... how do i set that back?
[08:25] <ScarFreewill> nosredna_ekim: your lucky I've tried confincing my self I like it it doesn't work :P
[08:25] <Sheazsche> is there a trick to getting this to work? i'd like to be able to mount iso images with a right click
[08:25] <Sheazsche> is anybody familiar with Kiso?
[08:26] <trekdanne> Sheazsche: look at kde-apps stdin has done a nice service menu
[08:26] <nosredna_ekim> ScarFreewill: didn't say I liked it..... but ot doesn't bother me. especcially since I apply my KDE theme to the GTK apps
[08:27] <ScarFreewill> nosredna_ekim: I just hate the save wiget!
[08:27] <nosredna_ekim> :)
[08:27] <Sheazsche> what?
[08:28] <ScarFreewill> nosredna_ekim: running apps like firefox is ok, gimp I can live with it, save menu omg
[08:28] <Sheazsche> trekdanne: what???
[08:28] <trekdanne> Sheazsche: go to http://www.kde-apps.org and search for "iso mount"
[08:28] <nosredna_ekim> ScarFreewill: oh.. the save menu.... yeah.. yech. terrible.
[08:28] <nosredna_ekim> ScarFreewill: glad Open office detects wht to use and uses the qt one.
[08:29] <nosredna_ekim> or at least not the GTK one
[08:29] <ScarFreewill> nosredna_ekim: yes :D
[08:29] <ScarFreewill> nosredna_ekim: they should make something like that in all gtk apps :/
[08:29] <happydanceparty> crap
[08:29] <trekdanne> Sheazsche: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/MountFile?content=61955
[08:30] <happydanceparty> can you send those commands again trekdanne?
[08:30] <trekdanne> happydanceparty: "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx"
[08:30] <trekdanne> happydanceparty: "sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[08:30] <ScarFreewill> nosredna_ekim: maybe it could solve both our problems (Gnomers and KDEers)
[08:30] <trekdanne> happydanceparty: restart X ctrl-alt-backspace
[08:31] <nosredna_ekim> ScarFreewill: I don't feel like helping them :)
[08:31] <ScarFreewill> nosredna_ekim: we should stand together to elimnate each other hehe
[08:31] <trekdanne> happydanceparty: "sudo nvidia-settings" and use the GUI to set up your resolution
[08:32] <happydanceparty> k it showed a nvidia logo when x restarted ty
[08:32] <trekdanne> happydanceparty: np
[08:34] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: how's it going?
[08:34] <happydanceparty> ok umm i'm in the gui but can't find resolution/refresh
[08:34] <happydanceparty> holy crap i have to go to work, thanks for the help trekdanne
[08:41] <Sk3daR> lol
[08:41] <Sk3daR>  hmm
[08:42] <Sk3daR> o_o
[08:43] <Some_Person> Ok, after a little exploring, I think I'm getting better at KDE.
[08:43] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: good :)
[08:44] <Some_Person> Except I can't figure out how to set my homepage in Konqueor.
[08:44] <Some_Person> Or how to access my harddrives.
[08:44] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: lemme see... hard drives are in media:? in konqueror (if the are mounted)
[08:44] <nosredna_ekim> *media:/
[08:45] <Some_Person> ok
[08:45] <Some_Person> Konqueor? The Web browser?
[08:45] <lontra> Some_Person: konqi -> settings -> preferences -> behaviour -> home url (for homepage
[08:46] <lontra> Some_Person: it's the same beast either way
[08:46] <Some_Person> beast?
[08:46] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: konqueror is the web browser/filemanager/everything else
[08:46] <Some_Person> oh
[08:46] <Some_Person> But how do I set my homepage?
[08:47] <lontra> Some_Person: i just told you
[08:47] <runlevelten> konqueror is the GUI browsing swiss army knife, and a fine job it does of it, too.
[08:47] <Some_Person> I heard there will be a new file browser in KDE 4 though
[08:47] <steinerhippo> yes
[08:47] <lontra> Some_Person: yes ... dolphin, but konqueror will still be prsent
[08:47] <ubunturos> Some_Person: yes, it is called "Dolphin"
[08:47] <trekdanne> dolphin
[08:47] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: dolphin... but konqueror will still be around.
[08:48] <nosredna_ekim> I actually like the KDE4 dolphin.
[08:48] <nosredna_ekim> its pretty sweet
[08:48] <Some_Person> Now I'm confused again
[08:48] <trekdanne> nah it feels like a stripped down konqueror IMHO
[08:48] <steinerhippo> i saw it on a pic, is it right that it looks a bit like vista style, or is that generally not true?
[08:48] <nosredna_ekim> trekdanne: I like the modified location bar.
[08:48] <Some_Person> I don't like the "System Settings" in KDE.
[08:49] <ubunturos> nosredna_ekim: that reminds me of "Win 98" in some ways
[08:49] <lontra> Some_Person: it's not a kde thing ... it's a kubuntu thing ... you can use kcontrol instead
[08:49] <Some_Person> oh
[08:49] <lontra> Some_Person: but system settings will be in kde4
[08:49] <nosredna_ekim> steinerhippo: yeah, it does look a bit like vista's location bar
[08:50] <Some_Person> Yeah, I like Control Center much better
[08:50] <trekdanne> ah little bloated IMHO
[08:50] <lontra> Some_Person: well you can use it
[08:50] <lontra> trekdanne: what's bloated kcontrol?
[08:50] <trekdanne> but I rarely use GUI for system configuration
[08:50] <trekdanne> lontra: yes
[08:50] <lontra> trekdanne: nah ... it's a lot less clicking then system settings
[08:51] <trekdanne> yeah in the end it's the same stuff
[08:51] <trekdanne> kcfg files i think ?
[08:51] <Some_Person> System Settings is too confusing for me
[08:51] <lontra> trekdanne: yeah it is
[08:51] <Some_Person> Control Center is more straight forward
[08:51] <trekdanne> Some_Person: why is that?
[08:51] <steinerhippo> nosredna_ekim: i'm pretty happy with konqueror, i'll see in the next kubuntu version, they want to put kde4 in for interested users, but not as standard as i read
[08:51] <lontra> system settings is a total rip off of mac os x
[08:51] <lontra> as is the kubuntu icon effect
[08:52] <nosredna_ekim> they should just go all the way and do baghira :)
[08:54] <runlevelten> So it doesn't seem very OS X to me ;)
[08:54] <lontra> runlevelten: it's the exact same system settings layout
[08:54] <Some_Person> Ok, now my last question: How much disk space would I need to install KDE on my Ubuntu install?
[08:54] <runlevelten> system settings is kcontrol lite. Pigstick on a lip.
[08:55] <lontra> runlevelten: i think you don't know what you're talking about ... it's the exact same thing but with a different layout requiring more clicking
[08:55] <runlevelten> lontra: whatever.
[08:55] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: I would guess < 500 MB
[08:55] <Some_Person> Well, I'd like a more precise amount than that.
[08:56] <trekdanne> hmm probably less if you go with only kdelibs and kdebase
[08:56] <runlevelten> Some_Person: If you try to install it, it will tell you how much disk space it would use.
[08:56] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: I wouldn't know really, but all of KDE4 is about 300MB.
[08:56] <runlevelten> Some_Person: with sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:56] <Some_Person> ok
[08:57] <runlevelten> you can then press n, or use ctrl C to cancel it if you wish
[08:57] <Some_Person> If KDE 4 is 300 MB, KDE 3.5 should be less, right
[08:57] <runlevelten> should nothing. Apt will tell you exactly how much space is required right now if you do as I say.
[08:57] <Assid> scary enough to run gutsy
[08:57] <Some_Person> I would have to switch over to ubuntu right?
[08:58] <Some_Person> im on livecd
[08:58] <adenicio> HOW DO I SAVE MY PACKAGES TO MY EXTERNAT HDD?
[08:58] <Some_Person> I tried Gutsy Live CD by the way, it is terrible atm
[08:58] <runlevelten> You would have to actually be using the ubuntu install you talk about, yes :)
[08:58] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: that would be the best way to do it
[08:58] <adenicio> and i cant seem to right to my hdd in fat32 how could i transfer to it?
[08:59] <trekdanne> adenicio: ??
[08:59] <nosredna_ekim> adenicio: cp -R /var/cache/apt/archives/* /media/<hard drive>
[08:59] <Some_Person> But I want to keep trying out KDE, getting nvidia-glx in live cd is hard to do if i dont have room on my HD
[09:00] <steinerhippo> @Some_Person: i have nvidia-glx on kde, works fine
[09:00] <Some_Person> on live cd?
[09:00] <Some_Person> on live cd its harder
[09:00] <steinerhippo> no^^
[09:00] <adenicio> nosredna_ekim: they say its not a direstory
[09:00] <steinerhippo> i think that that would not be as easy
[09:01] <Some_Person> took me hours to figure out how to do it in the first place
[09:01] <Some_Person> and an extra hour with KDE live
[09:01] <nosredna_ekim> adenicio: what isn't? the source or destination?
[09:01] <steinerhippo> und what do you think about kde?
[09:02] <Some_Person> I think its a great system, very configurable, however less simplistic than GNOME
[09:02] <adenicio> nosredna_ekim: the things i download from adept how do i save them to my hdd.im going to destroys windows and im afraid to loose everthing in feisty
[09:02] <steinerhippo> yes, in gnome there is mostly one prog for one think, in kde, it's more difficult, but i really like it
[09:03] <nosredna_ekim> adenicio: ah right... well you can just browse to that directory in konqueror and go from there
[09:03] <trekdanne> Kparts is so supperior to GNOMES B-something
[09:03] <Some_Person> One more thing, I don't like this UTC clock, how do I change it?
[09:03] <trekdanne> Some_Person: tzconfig
[09:03] <steinerhippo> i'm using kubuntu now for one month instead of winows, everything works fine, only thing is my wlan card, but that is a really bad card, i'll buy a new one
[09:04] <adenicio> nosredna_ekim: brows?
[09:04] <maverick_> adenicio: Browse
[09:04] <adenicio> nosredna_ekim: i'll see if back up of system works
[09:04] <nosredna_ekim> growse
[09:04] <nosredna_ekim> *browse...lol
[09:04] <maverick_> adenicio: open Konq
[09:04] <maverick_> adenicio: write /var/cache/apt/archives/
[09:05] <maverick_> adenicio: in the address bar
[09:05] <Some_Person> I did tzlock
[09:05] <maverick_> copy all the packages from this folder
[09:05] <Some_Person> but its still a UTC clock in the taskbar
[09:05] <adenicio> maverick_: sick out
[09:05] <adenicio> maverick_: tanks man
[09:05] <adenicio> maverick_: or woman :-/
[09:06] <trekdanne> Some_Person: hmm try to restart it?
[09:06] <Some_Person> how?
[09:07] <adenicio> maverick_: ok can u help me with my external hdd in fat32?
[09:07] <maverick_> adenicio: what's with it?
[09:08] <trekdanne> Some_Person: ps ax | grep kicker
[09:08] <trekdanne> Some_Person: and kill -HUP pid
[09:09] <Some_Person> didn't do anything
[09:10] <trekdanne> Some_Person: what time do "date" outputs?
[09:10] <adenicio> maverick_: normaly the firt time it conected to the pc i could of rite delet etc becaus i guess it was a hdd in fat 32.but i conected a ntfs hdd to the same port.an it give me prob to mount it and to rite to it.now i put back the fat32 it givin me probs
[09:10] <trekdanne> Some_Person: it works fine for me
[09:10] <adenicio> maverick_: i cant even creat a simple file on it
[09:10] <Some_Person> Fri Aug 17 14:10:37 CDT 2007
[09:10] <Some_Person> oh wait, its just 24hr
[09:11] <trekdanne> Some_Person: :)
[09:11] <maverick_> adenicio: sudo apt-get install ntfs-config
[09:11] <Some_Person> how do i fix that?
[09:11] <Some_Person> and the date isn't in US format
[09:11] <trekdanne> Some_Person: should be able to right click on the clock and format something
[09:11] <maverick_> then when it's installed run ntfs-config from terminal
[09:11] <maverick_> adenicio: then when it's installed run ntfs-config from terminal
[09:12] <maverick_> adenicio: then a window will popup propting you with two options to enable writting to local NTFS and external NTFS ....check both of them and press ok
[09:12] <maverick_> adenicio: now you can read write your ntfs...
[09:12] <maverick_> adenicio: external and local
[09:13] <Some_Person> how do i turn off the dang 24hr though?
[09:13] <steinerhippo> i use ntfs-3g drivers, i don't know, but for me, ntfs-config didn't work
[09:13] <adenicio> runlevelten: if i delete xp wich is asocieted with linux from grub,and i reinstall xp will i be abale to restor the grub?it's feisty i have
[09:13] <maverick_> adenicio: concerning the fat32 problemi dunno..it should work, maybe you messed up while formatting it?
[09:14] <maverick_> steinerhippo: you mean nothing happened when you used it?
[09:14] <steinerhippo> only readable as i can remeber @maverick_
[09:14] <trekdanne> adenicio: yes use a livecd to install grub to you MBR
[09:14] <trekdanne> *your MBR
[09:14] <steinerhippo> maverick__ but ntfs-3g with mount command works pretty fine, external ntfs drive
[09:15] <maverick_> steinerhippo: feisty already has ntfs-3g embedded in it and ntfs-config package is only used to enable the write capability...
[09:16] <adenicio> maverick_: i didnt format it it got my data on it.it got confuse while i was mountin it
[09:16] <steinerhippo> maverick_: thx, yeah, i use mount command, but thx for the info
[09:17] <adenicio> maverick_: ok wat u give me work with ntfs  config but was a failure to the hdd inside the pc wich is xp but no worry i going to delete in a while
[09:17] <steinerhippo> because automount don
[09:17] <steinerhippo> because automount don't does it like i want it
[09:17] <adenicio> trekdanne: ok
[09:18] <maverick_> steinerhippo: and you don't need to mount every restart, yeah?
[09:19] <adenicio> trekdanne: when i transfer a file to my hdd wich is in fat32 it say access denied
[09:19] <steinerhippo> maverick_: i only mount i when i need the external drive, otherwise you would need a little script or so
[09:19] <trekdanne> adenicio: do you have write access to the location?
[09:20] <trekdanne> adenicio: maybe you mounted it as read-only?
[09:20] <maverick_> i don't understand this..shouldn't fat32 partitions be automatically mounted and read/write accessed???
[09:21] <angel> Where am i?
[09:21] <maverick_> in fesity...at least
[09:21] <nosredna_ekim> angel: #kubuntu, the kubutnu support channel
[09:21] <steinerhippo> yes, my usb stick mounts automatically, fat32
[09:21] <steinerhippo> so hmm
[09:22] <adenicio> trekdanne: its read and rite.enable
[09:22] <maverick_> steinerhippo: i mean why adenici have problems with his fat32 local partition (as i understood it has his winxp installation)
[09:23] <maverick_> steinerhippo: or is it external
[09:23] <angel> oh,must i speak english?
[09:23] <steinerhippo> maverick_: which one? mine? or adenici's?
[09:23] <maverick_> steinerhippo: adenic's
[09:24] <steinerhippo> maverick_: but i also have a local fat32 partition, which mounts automatically, so it's strange i think
[09:24] <nosredna_ekim> angel: here, yes.... but whats your language? there is probably a channel for that
[09:24] <angel> Chinese
[09:26] <adenicio> maverick_: the folder /var/cache/apt/archives/ where all my debs are if i loose linux and reinstall it and place the deb's back in that folder will it see it to reinstall them?to do that do i have to got in adep?
[09:27] <maverick_> nope... you don't
[09:27] <maverick_> adenicio: you don't even need to put them back
[09:27] <maverick_> adenicio: you just install them from where they are
[09:28] <maverick_> adenicio: if you right click on a package and choose kubuntu package menu > install
[09:29] <adenicio> maverick_: ok
[09:29] <mh9100> vmware-player vmmon version mismatch?? anyone know how ot fix this?
[09:32] <draik> !dvd
[09:32] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[09:32] <maverick_> does anyone here use MATLAB??
[09:32] <kidko_> Does anybody know how I could move an installation of emacs? I've got it here, but my other computer doesn't have internet or GCC. I can't seem to find any binaries on the web, either...
[09:35] <maverick_> !emacs
[09:35] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[09:35] <nosredna_ekim> ubotu doesn't like emacs..lol
[09:36] <maverick_> out of curiousity, why would anybody use "vi" to edit texts ?? and not use kate ??
[09:36] <llutz> emacs is fine, it just has an awfull bootloader :)
[09:36] <trekdanne> maverick_: because vi is considered more powerfull
[09:36] <maverick_> trekdanne: concerning?
[09:37] <steinerhippo> if you know the commands, you are much more faster with vi than with such an gui editor
[09:37] <nosredna_ekim> command line? and far faster.
[09:38] <trekdanne> hmm text-editors are holy so i refraing from make any more comments
[09:38] <maverick_> steinerhippo: i tried a lot and it's harder than trying to control an F-16 jet in falcon4.0 simulator :D
[09:38] <trekdanne> vi isn't that hard... quite simple and non-extendable
[09:39] <trekdanne> emacs however is a differnt story
[09:39] <trekdanne> a 30MB monster
[09:39] <steinerhippo> maverick_ you don't need to know all of the commands, but if you know important ones, you will be faster with time
[09:39] <Some_Person> I am booted into Ubuntu. How would I add KDE to my Ubuntu install?
[09:39] <anthronaut> emacs has a built in psychiatrist
[09:39] <trekdanne> emacs is my operating system, and linux my device driver
[09:39] <Some_Person> I have 679 MB free space by the way
[09:39] <DaSkreech> And tetris :)
[09:39] <trekdanne> they should call it GNU/emacs
[09:40] <trekdanne> Some_Person: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:40] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: thats all?..... hmm
[09:40] <trekdanne> Some_Person: if you want the program the kubuntu project has chosen
[09:41] <Some_Person> hmm, that uses 463 MB
[09:41] <mh9100> vmware-player vmmon version mismatch?? anyone know how ot fix this?
[09:41] <trekdanne> !find kde-base
[09:41] <trekdanne> !find kdelibs
[09:41] <ubotu> Package/file kde-base does not exist in feisty
[09:41] <ubotu> Found: kdelibs, kdelibs-data, kdelibs-dbg, kdelibs4-dev, kdelibs4-doc (and 3 others)
[09:41] <trekdanne> !find kdebase
[09:41] <ubotu> Found: kdebase, kdebase-bin, kdebase-data, kdebase-dbg, kdebase-dev (and 3 others)
[09:42] <Some_Person> nosredna_ekim: yes thats all the free space on my Ubuntu partition. I made it too small when I made it and I can't extend it unfortunately because you can't add free space to the beginning of an ext3 partition.
[09:42] <nosredna_ekim> hmm...
[09:43] <Some_Person> and i don't want to reinstall
[09:43] <steinerhippo> !de
[09:43] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:44] <Some_Person> nosredna_ekim: My ubuntu partition is only 4 GB. I don't know what the **** I was thinking.
[09:44] <ekrengel> has anyone hooked up dual monitor to a lcd tv?
[09:45] <ekrengel> i have mine hooked up now, but its defaulting my lcd tv as the primary monitor
[09:45] <ekrengel> and im not sure how to fix that in my xorg.conf
[09:45] <ekrengel> my normal monitor is through vga
[09:45] <ekrengel> and lcd is dvi
[09:46] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: neither do I..
[09:47] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: do you have a alot of files in your /home? because what you CAN do is make a new partition for that.
[09:47] <trekdanne> ekrengel: people still consider CRTs to be "normal"
[09:47] <trekdanne> ?
[09:47] <Some_Person> nosredna: /home has only 1 html file in it
[09:47] <Some_Person> nosredna: other than that its just a few config files
[09:47] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: hmm ok.
[09:48] <ekrengel> its not crt monitor
[09:48] <Some_Person> nosredna: /home takes up 18.1 MB
[09:48] <ekrengel> its cd too, but uses vga connection
[09:48] <ekrengel> lcd*
[09:48] <trekdanne> ekrengel: ah kk
[09:48] <trekdanne> :P
[09:48] <ekrengel> : )
[09:49] <ekrengel> i dunno how to fix it in my xorg.onf
[09:49] <ekrengel> xorg.conf*
[09:49] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: hmm.. never mind...
[09:49] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: but if you want to put stuff in your /home.. i encourage you to do that (separate you /home)
[09:49] <Some_Person> nosredna_ekim: any other way to clean things up?
[09:49] <trekdanne> ekrengel: you have 2 monitor sections, right?
[09:50] <Some_Person> nosredna_ekim: i have nothing to put there
[09:50] <ekrengel> yeh
[09:50] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: also, you can delete stuff in your /var/cache/apt/archives
[09:50] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: where it keeps all downloaded packages
[09:50] <Some_Person> nosredna_ekim: i clear that out all the time with "sudo apt-get clean"
[09:50] <Kein> Weird...
[09:50] <trekdanne> ekrengel: then make sure the "Default Screen" uses the monitor you want
[09:51] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: oh :)
[09:51] <Some_Person> otherwise i'd end up with 0mb free space
[09:51] <Kein> Alright, is there anything that would cause a hub router to not respond to the gateway address?
[09:51] <Kein> I can still ping it and everything, but I can't access its settings.
[09:51] <maverick_> Kein: welcome to my world :D
[09:51] <Kein> Yeah.
[09:51] <Kein> But.
[09:51] <trekdanne> Kein: hub router?
[09:51] <maverick_> Speedtouch...for no obvious reason sometimes it does not respond..
[09:51] <Kein> It's a wireless router that I had to append to my current setup to give my laptop internet access.
[09:52] <trekdanne> ah i c
[09:52] <ekrengel> yeah im pretty sure it is...
[09:52] <Kein> It doesn't carry a normal connection; still have to have the DSL router.
[09:52] <trekdanne> try reseting it?
[09:52] <ekrengel> whats this part mean..
[09:52] <Kein> Will do.
[09:52] <ekrengel> Option		"DPMS"
[09:52] <ekrengel> its there for both monitors
[09:52] <trekdanne> ekrengel: hmm i have never used two monitors actually ...
[09:53] <Some_Person> nosredna_ekim: i have some old linux kernel headers installed, should i get rid of them?
[09:53] <ekrengel> hmm
[09:53] <ekrengel> ok
[09:53] <Some_Person> nosredna_ekim: i also have some old linux kernel images installed
[09:53] <trekdanne> !paste | ekrengel your x.org
[09:53] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: Some_Person yeah you can uninstall them from within synaptic
[09:53] <ubotu> ekrengel your x.org: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:53] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: yeah you can probaly get rid of them too
[09:55] <Some_Person> nosredna_ekim: now i have 866.27 MB free!
[09:55] <nosredna_ekim> woot
[09:55] <ekrengel> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34098/
[09:56] <ekrengel> k, there it is
[09:56] <Some_Person> nosredna_ekim: Time to install KDE!
[09:56] <nosredna_ekim> :)
[09:56] <Some_Person> nosredna_ekim: oh, is there a way i can make it get the packages from the kubuntu cd?
[09:56] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: probably.... not sure really. is it the same version as your ubuntu?
[09:57] <Some_Person> nosredna_ekim: both 7.04
[09:57] <nosredna_ekim> lemme check..
[10:02] <ekrengel> trekdanne: you see it?
[10:02] <nosredna_ekim> Some_Person: put the cd in and run "sudo apt-cdrom add -d /dev/cdrom0"
[10:02] <nosredna_ekim> and restart synaptic
[10:02] <nosredna_ekim> and then try installing and see what happens.
[10:03] <trekdanne> ekrengel: hmm i dont know try this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34099/
[10:03] <nosredna_ekim> see if KDE still requires a DL
[10:03] <ekrengel> what is changed in there?
[10:03] <trekdanne> ekrengel: under server layout
[10:04] <trekdanne> ekrengel: RightOf
[10:04] <ekrengel> thats just which way it goes off the screen
[10:04] <ekrengel> im pretty sure...
[10:05] <llutz> ekrengel: buy nvidia-card, there's dvi always 2nd monitor and analog-vga the 1st :((
[10:05] <ekrengel> i kno i got ati...
[10:05] <ekrengel> its working well i just need to swtich them
[10:05] <ekrengel> primary
[10:06] <trekdanne> isn't it mapped to global coordinates
[10:06] <Kein> hmm...
[10:06] <Kein> Alright.
[10:06] <Kein> My wireless router is perfectly functional.
[10:06] <llutz> ekrengel:  maybe if you swap "MonitorLayout" " CRT, TMDS"
[10:06] <Kein> But for some reason, my laptop refuses to connect to it.
[10:06] <ekrengel> ahh
[10:06] <ekrengel> ok
[10:06] <Kein> It fails everytime I try to connect to it, but it does show up.
[10:06] <ekrengel> i'll try that
[10:07] <ekrengel> bb in a few
[10:07] <keh7d> is there a terminal command to open up network-manager in kubuntu?
[10:07] <llutz> ekrengel: otherwise consult the documentation for your driver
[10:07] <Kein> umm...
[10:08] <Kein> ;/
[10:08] <Kein> Well, I can manage a router from the terminal, but I'm sure that's not what you're asking for.
[10:11] <ekrengel> didn't work...
[10:12] <ekrengel> Option 		"MergedXineramaCRT2IsScreen0" "True"
[10:12] <ekrengel> maybe if i make that false
[10:12] <ekrengel> it might switch it
[10:13] <Dou1> hey I'm installing groupwise right now and it tells me online to copy my java installation to replace the current jre folder.  do i copy the whole jav-1.5.0-sun-<IP_ADDRESS>? or just the jre folder inside it?
[10:14] <llutz> ekrengel: have you tried "MonitorLayout" " CRT, LVDS" ?
[10:14] <Some_Person> I added the Kubuntu CD, but it wants to download the files anyway
[10:14] <ekrengel> no
[10:14] <llutz> ekrengel: maybe this helps  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-280888.html
[10:16] <Dou1> hey I'm installing groupwise right now and it tells me online to copy my java installation to replace the current jre folder.  do i copy the whole jav-1.5.0-sun-<IP_ADDRESS>? or just the jre folder inside it?
[10:16] <ekrengel> i guess i'll try LVDS
[10:16] <ekrengel> brb
[10:16] <llutz> ekrengel: lvds usually means laptop, but who knows...
[10:17] <Dou1> can anyone help me?
[10:18] <draik> What do I need to play AVIs?
[10:18] <llutz> vlc
[10:19] <draik> kaffeine won't do it?\
[10:21] <ekrengel> nope still not it
[10:21] <ekrengel> but you know what i just realized
[10:21] <ekrengel> i have dvi to vga converters
[10:21] <ekrengel> so i'll just use those, and switch them
[10:21] <ekrengel> : P
[10:22] <ekrengel> so i'll try that
[10:22] <ekrengel> brb again!
[10:22] <draik> I don't have VLC as an option in my Multimedia. Where else would it go after installation?
[10:22] <RytmenPinnen> adept manager
[10:23] <keh7d> could anyone tell me how I can view the wireless networks my usb dev can see?
[10:23] <RytmenPinnen> lol, sry I misread you :)
[10:24] <draik> Ok
[10:24] <RytmenPinnen> draik, if you are using katapult, wich I highly recommend, then just hit alt-space and write vlc
[10:25] <draik> RytmenPinnen: I did, actually. I am now using Kaffeine, but it's just a black screen and no audio. The navigation bar is moving across, but nothing.
[10:25] <RytmenPinnen> go vlc then :)
[10:26] <draik> go vlc?
[10:27] <RytmenPinnen> use vlc
[10:27] <draik> I try
[10:27] <draik> It's not listed
[10:27] <draik> Not in my K Menu and not with Katapult
[10:27] <RytmenPinnen> how did you install it?
[10:27] <draik> sudo apt-get install vlc
[10:27] <RytmenPinnen> hmm, that's odd
[10:27] <draik> The install method or the fact that it won't come up?
[10:28] <draik> I just restarted and it's there now
[10:28] <draik> Thank you RytmenPinnen
[10:28] <RytmenPinnen> good :)
[10:29] <draik> YAY
[10:31] <biebel> hey, is it possoble to configure wine only to use a certain soundcard .. it uses the wrong one evrn when linux uses the right one
[10:33] <hydrogen> i'm going to reinstall.  Is there a way to get a list of packages I have installed and then to install them after I finish reinstalling??
[10:33] <[ifr0g] > hydrogen, dpkg -l
[10:33] <hydrogen> mm
[10:34] <llutz> hydrogen: dpkg --get-selection > packagesinstalled.txt
[10:35] <llutz> hydrogen: after re-install: dpkg --set-selections < packagesinstalled.txt
[10:37] <draik> llutz: What does the first command do? What does the second command do?
[10:37] <llutz> draik: "man dpkg"  tells you
[10:39] <animimotus> hi
[10:39] <danya__> hello im having problems with installing java for 64-bit feisty
[10:40] <animimotus> when I make a ./configure a have this error "in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail."
[10:40] <animimotus> KDE headers ? oO
[10:40] <trekdanne> animimotus: get kdelibs-dev
[10:41] <trekdanne> !find kdelibs-dev
[10:41] <ubotu> Found: kdelibs4-dev
[10:41] <trekdanne> !find kdelibs
[10:41] <ubotu> Found: kdelibs, kdelibs-data, kdelibs-dbg, kdelibs4-dev, kdelibs4-doc (and 3 others)
[10:41] <animimotus> oh ok trekdanne, thx
[10:41] <trekdanne> hmm maybe not...
[10:42] <trekdanne> run a "sudo apt-get build-dep <program name>" instead
[10:42] <animimotus> trekdanne: I attempt to compil the QtCurve theme http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40492
[10:43] <trekdanne> animimotus: ah then "sudo apt-get install kdelibs4-dev" will probably do
[10:43] <draik> llutz: I just reak it. Very nice. I wish I would have known that installs ago
[10:44] <hydrogen> I'm trying to get kdm to show user names to choose from when logging in and even with the options checked nothing is showing
[10:44] <draik> Is there a way that I can get every topic from MAN into a physical copy (PDF, or printed)?
[10:44] <llutz> draik: google would have told you (if you had asked) ;)
[10:45] <llutz> google is dangerous but helpfull (sometimes)
[10:48] <draik> True... but I think the searchee is more dangerous than the searcher's results.
[10:48] <animimotus> trekdanne: it works, cool, thx
[10:49] <pietras> hello
[10:50] <intelikey> who da networking teacher here ?
[10:50] <zipper> you are!
[10:50] <zipper> =P
[10:50] <pietras> i'm using 1st time kubuntu, i run my adsl connection and i'm proud to be linuxuser :o!
[10:50] <zipper> perhaps you should just ask your question intelikey?
[10:50] <intelikey> what all is needed to share a drive over the lan?
[10:50] <zipper> grats pietras =)
[10:50] <intelikey> zipper i was typping.
[10:50] <pietras> thx :) !
[10:50] <zipper> intelikey, you need samba
[10:51] <zipper> intelikey, if you wanna share with windows that is
[10:51] <intelikey> zipper no M$ in this loop    still need samba ?
[10:51] <jhutchins> intelikey: share to linux/unix only, or to windows/mac as well?
[10:51] <llutz> intelikey: ssh/nfs
[10:51] <zipper> intelikey, you can use nfs instead
[10:51] <zipper> personally, i just use ssh/scp
[10:51] <intelikey> jhutchins yes.
[10:51] <jhutchins> intelikey: I find samba very handy, but it can be a bear to get set up right.  NFS is the all-unix answer.
[10:52] <jhutchins> NFS can be a headache when you are using the same users on different machines because it goes by numeric uid instead of name.
[10:52] <zipper> scp on the other hand is happiness and ease all over the place
[10:53] <zipper> simple install, and it "just works(tm)"
[10:53] <Edulix> zipper: that's without saying the ease of uing fish:// in konqueror
[10:53] <intelikey> i need (or would like to have) one drive that i can mount on /var/cache/apt/archives/   for several boxen    obviously scp would mean many copies of each file and disk space is an issue
[10:54] <zipper> Edulix, hmm? I always use console =S
[10:54] <intelikey> so mounting a remote fs is the Q.     nfs ?
[10:55] <jhutchins> intelikey: nfs or samba.
[10:55] <intelikey> and UID would be 0 for root on all boxes so that shouldn't matter
[10:55] <llutz> intelikey: wouldn't apt-proxy help?
[10:56] <jhutchins> intelikey: Yeah, that shouldn't be a problem.
[10:56] <jhutchins> intelikey: It's onl difficult if you are trying to preserve ownership or user/group access accross systems.
[10:56] <intelikey> llutz that might be an idea.   but i need to learn this anyway
[10:57] <steffen> when i try to listen to my music on xmms, the player doesnt start and when i try clicking on the play button the hole program stops working.. help??
[10:57] <zipper> no idea about xmms, but i prefer using amarok for all my audio needs
[10:58] <intelikey> steffen me either   but that could be that xmms is set to output on the wrong device  ?
[10:59] <steffen> intelikey: read the last part? :)
[11:00] <intelikey> yeah i did,  that's why i said what i said
[11:01] <intelikey> s/said/typed/g
[11:01] <Some_Person> One thing I don't like about KDE is the two-row taskbar
[11:01] <intelikey> you can change that too
[11:02] <steffen> intelikey: i shotdown the program i need to press alt+esc and then kill the prosess :s  ... and i cant get any sound from any audio/video player that i have tryed, but all stop working after i press the play button :s
[11:03] <Some_Person> there we go, smaller taskbar
[11:03] <intelikey> then it's definitely an alsa issue
[11:04] <intelikey> !sound | steffen
[11:04] <ubotu> steffen: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:05] <intelikey> !mp3 | steffen just in case you are trying some restricted format
[11:05] <ubotu> steffen just in case you are trying some restricted format: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:06] <Kein> Alright, guys, I'm ready to install XP.  I've got a NTFS partition; do I set it as the active one before instaling?
[11:06] <underdog5004> Kein, you're installing XP?!?
[11:07] <Kein> Have to.
[11:07] <Kein> =(
[11:07] <Kein> My D&D group runs on a Direct3D-only program.
[11:08] <Kein> And I'm willing to take a few hits to play.
[11:08] <steffen> intelikey: when i pressed the test sound button the System Settings window stoped working to... :O
[11:08] <Kein> That's quite literally one of the only reasons I'm installing.
[11:08] <Kein> Anyways.  Do I need to set the active partition as the NTFS one before installing with the LiveCD?
[11:09] <Some_Person> Can I put a computer/home/trash icon on my desktop?
[11:10] <underdog5004> Kein, I don't think so
[11:10] <underdog5004> just make sure that ntfs partition is bootable
[11:10] <intelikey> steffen yeah go on to the "trubble shooting" section
[11:10] <Kein> Some_Person: You can put Home.  Create New -> Link to Application.
[11:10] <Kein> I think you can put trash, too.
[11:11] <Kein> Basically, what you do is type /home/ when you want it to go to /home/.  I'd suggest /home/*user*/, but meh.
[11:12] <intelikey> Kein NTFS and linux ?   yuck.
[11:12] <Kein> ...XD
[11:12] <Kein> I think you misunderstand what I'm trying to do.
[11:12] <intelikey> but yes the partition needs to be active
[11:12] <Kein> I'm running Kubuntu right now, lulz.  I've got a NTFS partition set aside apart from the other partitions needed for this.
[11:13] <Kein> Alright.  Lemme grab my liveCD and I'll be back soon.
[11:13] <Some_Person> how do you put a trash icon on there?
[11:13] <intelikey> yeah i got all that.      and keep the cd handy cause M$ is gonna hose your boot loader
[11:14] <Some_Person> Oh and can I put seperate KDE and GNOME icons on my desktop?
[11:15] <intelikey> apps are not DE speciffic, if that's your question Some_Person
[11:15] <Some_Person> i know that
[11:15] <Some_Person> i mean can i have seperate desktop icons
[11:16] <intelikey> probably.  not sure how hard that would be to setupj tho
[11:18] <zipper> I get an error when trying to add a class to a c++ project in Kdevelop: "KDevelop not able to add classes to existing header or implementation file". What gives? Stored the project in ~
[11:20] <intelikey> zipper just cause it's stored in ~ doesn't insure write perms   check with ls -l
[11:26] <steffen> intelikey: Thx 4 the help =)
[11:28] <intelikey> steffen get it worked out ?
[11:28] <linux__> how i can set the root password ?
[11:29] <intelikey> linux__   sudo passwd      but before you do  would you like to know why ubuntu team doesnt reccomend doing that ?
[11:29] <intelikey> !root | linux__
[11:29] <ubotu> linux__: do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[11:30] <linux__> intelikey , i try to do this : sudo kwrite text.txt and it askes for the password and i dont know it ... ?
[11:30] <intelikey> linux__ it's "your" password.  not root.
[11:30] <intelikey> !kdesu | linux__
[11:30] <ubotu> linux__: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[11:31] <anatoly> reboot in emergency mode and set root password
[11:32] <ForgeAus> Hey all been a while since I was here
[11:33] <intelikey> anatoly or read the page   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[11:33] <Aranel> hey, my adept updater randomly generates errors in repos while i try update them, please help me?
[11:33] <intelikey> pastebin the error/s
[11:33] <intelikey> ForgeAus shalom
[11:33] <Aranel> intelikey: it gives only "error" :)
[11:34] <Aranel> intelikey: it gives in all repos "downloaded" but , randomly in one repo, it gives "error"
[11:34] <intelikey> Aranel  sudo apt-get update      in konsole
[11:34] <Aranel> ok, i'll try :)
[11:36] <Aranel> intelikey: wait, i'll paste it to pastebin :)
[11:37] <Aranel> intelikey: in the logs, "yoksay" = "ignore" in Turkish, "Baland" = "Connected" , "Hata" = "Error" :)
[11:37] <Aranel> intelikey: http://pastebin.com/m7159a4e9
[11:41] <intelikey> Aranel looks like the   "wine.lowvoice.nl"   is the address giving trubble.    and it's unpingable   "ping: unknown host wine.lowvoice.nl"    either the url may be wrong or the server is down...
[11:42] <intelikey> the base address is pingable  so check the url again,
[11:43] <intelikey> they may have dropped support or their reverse dns resolver may be hosed...  idk i'm not a network admin
[11:43] <Aranel> intelikey: :)
[11:43] <Aranel> intelikey: and I have a problem with compiz updates now :)
[11:44] <SubOne> how do i make it so that the tar file does not contain a complete directory structure of the file im taring inside the tar file?
[11:44] <intelikey> either was Aranel the hata (error) was all pointing at "wine.lowvoice.nl"   so check your  "sources.list"
[11:44] <Aranel> intelikey: i updated "compiz-core" , but it still warns me "compiz-core update" . i re-updated, but still gives update warning, and my Compiz Fusion doesn't work now :)
[11:45] <intelikey> Aranel i've seen others mention that,   but don't have the answer,   maybe ask in  #ubuntu-effects    or is it  #kubuntu-effects
[11:45] <Aranel> intelikey: umm, ok.
[11:46] <intelikey> SubOne reletive path ?     cd /where/ever/you/want/to/start  tar -czf filename.tgz ./
[11:47] <SubOne> this is what i have:
[11:47] <SubOne> tar -czf /var/www/subonedesign.com/rdf/admin/backup/subone_rdf-081707-0331pm_sql.tar.gz /var/www/subonedesign.com/rdf/admin/backup/subone_rdf-081707-0331pm.sql
[11:47] <SubOne> i dont want to change my pwd
[11:48] <intelikey> SubOne why not ?
[11:48] <intelikey> you can specify full path on the output
[11:48] <SubOne> well... im just not sure i can while im using this in php
[11:49] <intelikey> cd /var/www/subonedesign.com/rdf/admin/backup/ ;tar -czf ~/something.tgz ./
[11:49] <intelikey> oh.
[11:49] <intelikey> php   i don't know php  so i'll defer to anyone with dias
[11:49] <SubOne> idk, i guess ill try, one sec
[11:51] <flake> what's an intuitive media player, besides VLC - I want to make custom lists I can load and play in memory, like queue-ing up, instead of open this or that playlist from disk
[11:51] <SubOne> well that did work... ty
[11:51] <kaminix> Sometimes when I run multiple videoplayers at once or something like that all videos go blue. They will remain blue no matter how many processes I kill and whichever player I use until I reboot. Anyone know how to solve this?
[11:52] <Cannoli> !ntfs-3g
[11:52] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[11:52] <Cannoli> hey guys
[11:52] <Cannoli> how do i Enable the universe repository ?
[11:52] <intelikey> flake maybe mplayer  ?
[11:54] <intelikey> kaminix not using kernel frame buffering are you ?   that could cause it.    also a glitch in a vidio driver could but resetting X should fix the second     it wont the first.
[11:54] <intelikey> !repos | Cannoli
[11:54] <ubotu> Cannoli: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:55] <kaminix> intelikey: reseting X does fix it, so it's a glitch in the video driver?
[11:55] <intelikey> kaminix probably.
[11:55] <intelikey> what driver ?
[11:55] <kaminix> hmm, lemme check
[11:56] <intelikey> grep driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:56] <kaminix> intelikey:         Driver          "i810"
[11:56] <intelikey> grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:56] <intelikey> ok.   and the card is an 800 series ?
[11:57] <kaminix> I think it's 950-something. Don't remember... laptop.
[11:57] <mrksbrd> does anyone use gtkpod for uploading songs to your IPOD???
[11:58] <Cannoli> uhm im having trouble unmounting a drive
[11:58] <Cannoli> i keep getting this error
[11:58] <Cannoli> Unfortunately, the device system:/media/sda1 (/dev/sda1) named '59G Media' and currently mounted at /media/Other could not be unmounted. Unmounting failed due to the following error:
[11:58] <Cannoli> Cannot open /media/.hal-mtab
[11:58] <kaminix> intelikey:  I think it's 950-something. Don't remember... laptop.
[11:58] <intelikey> kaminix  lshw -class display
[11:59] <kaminix> intelikey:        product: Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller
[11:59] <intelikey> kaminix ok give me a sec.
[11:59] <kaminix> Thanks :)
[11:59] <Cannoli> !unmount
[11:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about unmount - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:59] <intelikey> and Cannoli /media/.hal-mtab  <<<<  ?
[11:59] <Cannoli> srry?
[12:00] <intelikey> odd error.
[12:00] <Cannoli> yea
[12:00] <Cannoli> cannot open /medua/,hal-mtab
[12:00] <Cannoli> i have no idea what that means
[12:00] <Cannoli> media*
[12:00] <nosrednaekim> Cannoli: is that drive currently plugged in?
[12:01] <Cannoli> yep
[12:01] <Cannoli> i can open it and access files and everything
[12:01] <nosrednaekim> Cannoli: and can you access it at /media/Other?
[12:01] <Cannoli> but when i right cklik> unmount
[12:01] <Cannoli> tht error comes up
[12:01] <Cannoli> yes i can
[12:02] <nosrednaekim> Cannoli: you can't be browsing it in any other location..
[12:02] <mrksbrd> i'm having trouble mounting my ipod, not sure of the command on how to do it!!!!
[12:03] <Cannoli> nosrednaekim: im fairly sure its not being browsed in any otehr location
[12:03] <nosrednaekim> Cannoli: hm ok
[12:04] <Cannoli> nosrednaekim: is there any way i can check?
[12:04] <Cannoli> to make sure
[12:04] <nosrednaekim> Cannoli: try running this fromt he command line "sudo umount /media/Other"
[12:05] <Cannoli> sudo: unmount: command not found
[12:05] <kaminix> intelikey: anything?
[12:06] <nosrednaekim> I said "umount"
[12:06] <Cannoli> oops
[12:06] <Cannoli> ok
[12:07] <Cannoli> so now i cant access it
[12:07] <Cannoli> but
[12:07] <Cannoli> the icon is still there
[12:07] <Cannoli> how can i get rid of the icon?
[12:07] <Cannoli> cause i named my windows drive "other" and my other drive "windows"
[12:07] <Cannoli> lmao idiot*
[12:07] <intelikey> kaminix still looking   but you could check  http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=N&Inst=Yes&Product   and see if there is any updates...
[12:08] <kaminix> Strange, haven't had this problem 'til now though. I'll take a look
[12:08] <kaminix> But is i810 the right driver
[12:09] <darkstar61> hi all, what is the correct way to recompile just a single module (sg) and to load it in a running system? (i need that according to http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~mpd/sane/sane-canon.html#Download )
[12:09] <intelikey> kaminix what kernel version ?    uname -r
[12:09] <kaminix> intelikey: 2.6.20-16-generic
[12:10] <nosrednaekim> darkstar61: fairly easy... just don't update your kernel:)
[12:10] <darkstar61>  i downloaded the sources and modified the sg.c
[12:11] <darkstar61> but when i try to make sg i get errors http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34108/
[12:11] <kaminix> intelikey: Is this what I should be looking at? http://www.intellinuxgraphics.org/download.html
[12:12] <intelikey> yeah probably i'm still sifting through bug reports.      such as  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/9687
[12:12] <trekdanne> darkstar61: hmm you've obviously read the Linux Modules Howto - over @ LDAP
[12:13] <darkstar61> obviously five believers... :)
[12:13] <stoned> bung tutty
[12:14] <stoned> um
[12:14] <stoned> nm that, wrong channel
[12:14] <kaminix> intelikey: How do I compile an xorg driver? Isn't it like... really hard?
[12:14] <nosrednaekim> darkstar61: no clue :)
[12:14] <nosrednaekim> sorry
[12:15] <darkstar61> *d
[12:15] <Cannoli> nosrednaekim: im trying to save my xorg.conf file