[00:32] <ahoneybun> has anyone done a double global jam?
[00:32] <ahoneybun> like looking for bugs and writing docs?
[16:42] <Nothing_Much> ahoneybun: I don't know how to find bugs in code


[03:10] <Fudge> anybody booted the Xenial desktop image yet?
[08:22] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:23] <lordievader> Fudge: Does upgrading to Xenial count?
[08:43] <Fudge> nah the iso for Xenial I just get a busy box prompt after a while
[08:43] <Fudge> not from Wily
[08:45] <lordievader> Oh...
[08:49] <Fudge> its hard for me to fix because I need speech to do it
[09:34] <lotus|xenial> !info firefox
[09:34] <lotus|xenial> !info firefox xenial
[09:40] <lotus|xenial> xenial upgrade got me libreoffice 5 and firefox 42
[10:17] <lotus|xenial> anyone got issue on linksys wifi card on xenial?
[11:26] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all


[00:01] <j05h_> Hello.
[00:01] <j05h_> I'm Josh, and apparently so are several other people on Freenode.
[00:01] <Darxus> Hi.
[00:01] <j05h_> Oh hi.
[00:02] <j05h_> So, while trying to register with launchpad.net to report an issue with Ubuntu, my registration email seems to actually be a forgotten password email.
[00:02] <j05h_> Or something like that.
[00:02] <j05h_> We've received a request to create a new account with your email address.
[00:02] <j05h_> If this was you, perhaps you've forgotten your password?
[00:03] <j05h_> No confirmation code given, thus no bug report filed.
[00:08] <lifeless> j05h_: that seems correctm whats wrong?
[00:08] <j05h_> The problem is that I was expecting a confirmation code to complete my registration, so I could file a bug report.
[00:08] <j05h_> Instead I got a link directing me to help with a lost password.
[00:09] <lifeless> right ... that means your email address is already on file as being used by a user
[00:10] <lifeless> so you should follow that link and recover your password [or log in if you knowyour password]
[00:10] <lifeless> note that launchpad uses login.ubuntu.com under the covers
[00:10] <lifeless> so if you have an ubuntu one account, you should login with that
[00:10] <j05h_> I have absolutely never registered before.
[00:10] <j05h_> Oh.
[00:10] <j05h_> That would have been helpful to know.
[00:10] <j05h_> Maybe I overlooked it.
[00:11] <j05h_> I'm used to Windows, where everything is pretty obvious.
[00:11] <lifeless> this is pretty unobvious
[00:11] <lifeless> we have a bug open about it
[00:12] <j05h_> I just used my Ubuntu One login, and received the same email.
[00:12] <lifeless> j05h_: login here - https://login.ubuntu.com/
[00:14] <j05h_> Same problem.
[00:14] <j05h_> Would you like me to forward the email to you?
[00:14] <j05h_> I suspect it's the same 'forgot password' email that's sent to anyone, but I can send it if it's helpful.
[00:15] <lifeless> what do you see at https://login.ubuntu.com/ ?  a login form, or a 'Your account' page ?
[00:15] <j05h_> My account.
[00:15] <lifeless> that says you are logged i
[00:15] <lifeless> in
[00:15] <lifeless> now, visit https://launchpad.net/
[00:15] <lifeless> there should be a login link in the top right
[00:16] <j05h_> I did, and now it's working.
[00:16] <lifeless> great
[00:16] <j05h_> Thanks.
[00:16] <j05h_> I forgot what I was going to file the bug report for.
[00:17] <j05h_> I'll remember though.
[00:17] <j05h_> Eventually.
[00:18] <lifeless> :)
[05:55] <mdeonte> hello i was wondering if it was at all possible for me to get a thread deleted in a mailing list that was about me
[05:55] <mdeonte> it is about six or seven months old
[07:36] <ScottK> Sigh.
[07:36] <ScottK>   Uploading kdemultimedia_4.5.5-0ubuntu2_source.changes: 2k/3k550 Changes file must be signed with a valid GPG signature: Verification failed 3 times: ["(7, 9, u'No public key')", "(7, 9, u'No public key')", "(7, 9, u'No public key')"] : Permission denied.
[07:36] <ScottK> lifeless: ^^^ seems to be getting to be a fairly general problem.
[07:37] <wgrant> ScottK: It was signed with a valid key? I wonder if the internal keyserver has died.
[07:37] <ScottK> wgrant: Yes. It's about the 12th in a row I've uploaded.
[07:38] <wgrant> ScottK: The uploads *should* still go through, although if it's a keyserver problem then they'll probably be rejected.
[07:38] <lifeless> ScottK: is there a bug filed?
[07:38] <wgrant> ScottK: Is that to cocoplum?
[07:38] <lifeless> wgrant: two bits of data
[07:38] <ScottK> No idea.
[07:38] <ScottK> wgrant: Yes.
[07:38] <lifeless> wgrant: slangasek was uploading ok when others had this
[07:39] <lifeless> wgrant: and at least one case was getting that error for something already accepted
[07:39] <ScottK> Next one after that failed too.
[07:39] <StevenK> SpamapS saw it over the weekend, too.
[07:40] <geser> but his upload got accepted regardless the error
[07:40] <ScottK> No email saying it made it yet.
[07:41] <wgrant> 2011-04-11 06:40:30 DEBUG       Subject: [ubuntu/maverick-proposed] kdemultimedia 4:4.5.5-0ubuntu2 (Waiting for approval)
[07:41] <ScottK> OK.  I didn't get it yet.
[07:41] <ScottK> Thanks.
[07:41] <ScottK> There it is.
[07:41] <ScottK> Confirmed it made it then.
[07:42] <ScottK> Fortunately I can reject the redundant kdemultimedia upload.
[07:55] <ScottK> It's happening consistently now, so something changed.
[07:58] <wgrant> ScottK: Yeah, cocoplum seems to hate the keyserver right now. Investigating.
[07:58] <StevenK> Or the keyserver hates cocoplum.
[08:00]  * ScottK votes mutual differences.
[08:00] <wgrant> Probably.
[08:10] <MTecknology> where do you change your password?
[08:10] <MTecknology> oh...
[08:12] <MTecknology> why isn't there a change password link on your own profile page?
[08:13] <MTecknology> or at least in the change details page
[08:13] <StevenK> Because Launchpad doesn't deal with passwords.
[08:13] <wgrant> Launchpad is just an OpenID consumer.
[08:14] <MTecknology> it should at least offer a link back to the page though?
[08:16] <MTecknology> after all- a person has to actually take notice they're being redirected to a different website and then go back to it after they've logged in
[08:21] <ScottK> That's the way openid works.
[08:23] <maxb> you are supposed to be redirected, though, no?
[08:26] <MTecknology> maxb: ya, the redirection kinda makes it hard to even realize you wind up at login.launchpad.net
[08:26] <MTecknology> someone asked me how to change their password on launchpad and i spent 10 minutes trying to figure it out until i remembered that
[08:28] <maxb> I think we shouls have a change password link that explains this and offers you a link to SSO
[08:29] <MTecknology> +1 :)
[08:29] <MTecknology> nappy time!
[08:29] <wgrant> I think there is a link somewhere.
[08:30] <wgrant> But, like most links in Launchpad, it's not in a very good place.
[08:30] <wgrant> Yes!
[08:30] <wgrant> At the bottom of https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+edit, *below* the "Save Changes" button, there's a link "Learn about your Launchpad account and password."
[08:31] <maxb> um. yay? :-)
[08:31] <MTecknology> I just saw my migshot (https://launchpadlibrarian.net/37147287/101_0277.jpg)
[08:31] <MTecknology> :'(
[08:32] <MTecknology> golly dang i was lucky; i at least got to have her for ~5yr and go through all the excitement of planning for a wedding before she dumped me
[08:32] <wgrant> maxb: I think it represents the LP UI pretty well :)
[08:37] <mok0> MTecknology: that sucks
[08:38] <MTecknology> indeed
[08:38] <MTecknology> 8 days before our wedding she decided she didn't want me
[08:38] <mok0> MTecknology: ouch
[08:38] <mok0> MTecknology: is it long ago?
[08:38] <MTecknology> we were engaged for 13 or 14 months too
[08:39] <MTecknology> one month ago today (yesterday)
[08:40] <mok0> MTecknology: it really hurts, been there
[08:41] <MTecknology> ya, and seeing the mugshot which was a pic of us really brought it home how happy i was
[08:41] <mok0> MTecknology: Indeed...
[08:42] <mok0> :-(
[08:42] <MTecknology> i'm gonna head to bed, have to be up for work in 4hr
[08:42] <MTecknology> mok0: g'night
[08:42] <mok0> MTecknology: see you
[09:02] <wgrant> ScottK: cocoplum should be happy again now. The /tmp pruner was a little overzealous.
[09:41] <poolie> hi, who has rights to see private bugs against a package?
[09:41] <lifeless> the ubuntu security team
[09:41] <micahg_> poolie: depends why it's private
[09:42] <lifeless> for security bugs
[09:42] <lifeless> and ubuntu devs for others
[09:42] <micahg_> lifeless: bug control actually
[09:42] <lifeless> strictly speaking I think its ~bugcontrol
[09:43] <poolie> i think it's a not-yet-retraced bug
[09:43] <poolie> eg https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr/+bug/508145
[09:44] <poolie> i can upload to that package; i guess that's why?
[09:44] <poolie> other ~bzr people can't see it
[09:44] <poolie> i'm not explicitly subscribed
[09:44] <wgrant> poolie: ~ubuntu-dev probably can.
[09:44] <wgrant> poolie: Check your membership in the apport team that's subscribed.
[09:44] <micahg_> ubuntu-dev is a member of -bugcontrol
[09:44] <wgrant> "Crash bug triagers for whatever"
[09:44] <poolie> ok, i see
[09:44] <poolie> that's probably it
[09:44] <wgrant> ... why is bugcontrol in there? :/
[09:45] <wgrant> Has been for just about ever. Odd.
[09:45] <poolie> i don't suppose anyone would like to guess why these ~44 bugs are stuck private, even after they've been touched by the retracer?
[09:45] <wgrant> poolie: You'll need to talk to pitti.
[09:46] <micahg_> poolie: retraced bugs are left private until they're examined manually for sensitive information
[09:46] <wgrant> micahg_: Some are automatically unprivated.
[09:46] <micahg_> wgrant: yes, but they're generally dupes
[09:47] <poolie> ah, ok
[09:47] <poolie> thanks very much
[10:51] <soren> I get these e-mails every once in a while: "Launchpad encountered an internal error during the following operation: emailing subscribers about merge proposal changes.  It was logged with id OOPS-1927MPJ2.  Sorry for the inconvenience."
[10:51] <soren> What gives?
[11:17] <wgrant> soren: Do you know which branch that was for?
[11:18] <wgrant> soren: It's a timeout.
[11:18] <soren> wgrant: I'm assuming ti must have been https://code.launchpad.net/~rackspace-titan/nova/terminate-libvirt-hang-lp754509/+merge/57003
[11:18] <soren> wgrant: ...but as you probably know, it's hard to tell.
[11:18] <wgrant> soren: Yeah.
[11:19] <wgrant> I'm not quite sure why that timed out... possibly contention with a larger job. There's 3-4 of them a day.
[11:19]  * micahg_ got a timeout setting fields on a bug, not sure if it's interesting or not, OOPS-1927K700
[11:20] <micahg_> err, status/assignee on a task...
[11:20] <soren> wgrant: I got a number of them on Friday, too.
[11:21] <soren> wgrant: OOPS-1924MPJ4
[11:21] <soren> and OOPS-1924MPJ57
[11:21] <wgrant> micahg_: I think you did that just at the wrong time... we just rebuild one of the bug indices, and I think you ran into a lock.
[11:21] <soren> (each of them part of a large group of sequential looking OOPSes)
[11:22] <soren> "large" as in 4 or 5 or so.
[11:22] <wgrant> Ew, got up to 57?
[11:22] <soren> Er..
[11:23] <soren> No.
[11:23] <wgrant> 20:21:37 < ubot5> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1924MPJ57
[11:23] <soren> I got OOPS-1924MPJ3 - OOPS-1924MPJ6   and then OOPS-1924MPJ57 - OOPS-1924MPJ60
[11:23] <soren> I didn't get all the ones in between.
[11:23] <wgrant> Right.
[11:24] <wgrant> But normally MPJ doesn't get 10 a day in total.
[11:24] <soren> but perhaps there's more info in those numbers than I realise.
[11:24] <lifeless> day service serial
[11:24] <soren> "MP" is merge proposal?
[11:24] <soren> And "J" is? timeouts?
[11:24] <lifeless> job
[11:24] <wgrant> MPJ == merge proposal jobs
[11:24] <soren> Ah.
[11:24] <soren> I never saw them before Friday.
[11:24] <wgrant> 1924 is probably the number of days between 2006-01-01 and Friday.
[11:25] <wgrant> soren: There were ~76 on Friday, which is extremely abnormal.
[11:25] <wgrant> Not sure what's going on there.
[11:25] <soren> 2006-01-01 + 1924 days is indeed 2011-04-09.
[11:26]  * soren marks the Launchpad epoch in his calendar
[11:26] <soren> Wow. Almost two thousand days.
[11:26]  * soren marvels
[11:57] <doko> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=ftbfs+natty+ice&field.tags_combinator=ALL
[11:57] <doko> queries like this time out a lot
[11:57] <doko> is there anything which could be improved?
[11:58] <doko> wgrant, lifeless: ^^^
[11:58] <doko> OOPS-1927S519
[12:17] <ev> would someone mind increasing the size of my PPA so I can sort out a natty beta-2 targeted bug? https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/152397
[13:06] <ScottK> wgrant: Thanks.
[17:47] <niemeyer> Hey there
[17:48] <niemeyer> Can someone please remove the Storm team from the LAZR developers team?
[17:48] <niemeyer> I'd like to continue watching Storm without subscribing to all debate on LAZR
[17:58] <niemeyer> Btw, is it really the case that the owner of a team can't unsubscribe it from another team?
[18:32] <maxb> niemeyer: I think it is allowed, but there's no webUI for it.
[18:33] <maxb> So, you can do it via launchpadlib, for example
[18:33] <niemeyer> maxb: Yeah, couldn't really find a way to do it there
[18:33] <maxb> I can probably help you do it via in interactive python shell
[18:34] <niemeyer> maxb: I found a good soul to help me, so it's likely solved.  If that doesn't work, I'll bother you again if you don't mind.
[18:34] <maxb> sure
[18:34] <niemeyer> maxb: Thanks!
[18:38] <maxb> Just for the record
[18:38] <maxb> >>> from launchpadlib.launchpad import Launchpad
[18:38] <maxb> >>> lp = Launchpad.login_with("interactive python", service_root="production")
[18:39] <maxb> >>> lp.people['storm'].leave(team=lp.people['lazr-developers'])
[23:17] <poolie> hi all


[07:22] <nikkia> apokryphos: tbh, i'd be more surprised if there was someone that *didn't* have konqueror crashing constantly :P
[07:23] <Hamster> MikeStyle: this is embarassing. Im used to debian, and theres a separate setup programme there for k3b.
[07:23] <apokryphos> nikkia: serious? In all honesty, my konqueror has crashed about twice since I installed Kubuntu
[07:23] <Hamster> MikeStyle: just trying to find the equivalent in kubuntu!
[07:23] <mart> k3bsetup?
[07:23] <MikeStyle> Hamster: umm im confuzzled
[07:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: it would crash about 2/3 times on opening, for me, and my average time browsing before crash was about 5-10 minutes
[07:23] <pakos> nikkia: for me it works most of the time. one crash a week, i think.. i can't remember
[07:24] <mart> likewise
[07:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: hasn't crashed once since i went LFS of course...
[07:24] <apokryphos> nikkia: or something that small. I use it everyday, for around 96% of browsing, and I really can't rememeber the last time it crashed
[07:24] <Hamster> mart, thats what imn looking for but cant find it on my system
[07:24] <Mose`> hm, so i think i'l have to reinstall whole kubuntu...
[07:24] <mart> Hamster:
[07:24] <mart> > $ dpkg -S bin/k3bsetup
[07:24] <mart> > k3b: /usr/bin/k3bsetup
[07:24] <pakos> k3bsetup is considered harmfull. it tries to do something, which is the job of the distribution.
[07:24] <apokryphos> Mose`: what's the problem?
[07:25] <Mose`> my kdesktop crashes everytime i start kubuntu
[07:25] <Mose`> and i can't load it manually
[07:25] <apokryphos> what's the error message?
[07:25] <apokryphos> is this when you log into KDE, or prior?
[07:25] <Hamster> mart, I do not have that binary on my machine.. and yes I do have k3b installed.
[07:25] <Mose`> just a dialog appears telling me about crash
[07:26] <apokryphos> Mose`: no other error message?
[07:26] <Mose`> there is a windows with General and Backtrace tabs
[07:26] <apokryphos> Mose`: it's worth trying to upgrade to 3.4.2 and see if you still have the error
[07:27] <apokryphos> I'd also recommend using debfoster before a complete reinstall
[07:27] <Mose`> and how to upgrade it?
[07:27] <apokryphos> !kde342
[07:27] <ubotu> well, kde342 is at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[07:28] <Mose`> and what is debfoster?
[07:28] <Hamster> fsck! Im still having keyboard layout problems, this time in gtk apps.
[07:28] <apokryphos> Mose`: it's for weeding unnecessary packages
[07:28] <nikkia> woohoo, 20s left on my upload
[07:29] <pakos> bye folks
[07:29] <Mose`> when i copy those debs of kde 342 to my sources.list, then i should type apt-get update and then upgrade?
[07:29] <mart> Hamster: this was with breezy packages
[07:30] <apokryphos> Mose`: correct
[07:30] <nikkia> oops
[07:30] <Hamster> mart aah.
[07:30] <nikkia> just wasted ages of time :P
[07:30] <apokryphos> hehe
[07:30] <Hamster> dh!
[07:31] <chill> hey all, sorry that im that noobie, but can anyone tell me how to mount and partition a new HD? via konsole or KDE-programs?
[07:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: i did 'tar zxvf new_share.tgz' and got 'not in gzip format' :P
[07:32] <Mose`> hm, when i run upgrade after update it says that there is no packages to install..
[07:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: given that the bulk of the files are .png i doubt it wasted much space really
[07:32] <apokryphos> Mose`: the repo wasn't added properly
[07:32] <apokryphos> nikkia: png compresses, doesn't it?
[07:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: using gzip, yes
[07:33] <Mose`> apokryphos:  have you updated to 342?
[07:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: and all the images are either '-9'ed or pngcrushed, so they'll be as compressed as possible
[07:33] <apokryphos> Mose`: yes
[07:34] <jeffbrown> is there a gui tool in kubuntu/kde for configuring which network interfaces are brought up automatically and for interactively bringing interfaces up/down?
[07:38] <apokryphos> nikkia: do you use a lot of resources from your work? Because I was thinking... why don't mose programmers work from home instead?
[07:38] <apokryphos> or *most, even
[07:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: i do work from home 99% of the time now
[07:39] <apokryphos> oh
[07:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: i only upload so i can drop it on the company's private FTP server :)
[07:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: the reason i work from home is a bit sad really
[07:40] <gdh> Not a single lesson, you know! :)
[07:40] <apokryphos> Social interaction would be cool I guess. Decent job since you can't be late though ;-) (if that's the case)
[07:40] <nikkia> target machine has 1GB of ram, and we're pretty close to filling it, my work PC has 512MB, my home PC has 1GB, when you factor in that the memory footprint of the game has been around 700-800MB, and eclipse takes up a bit, as does linux and X, debugging it in 512MB is very painful
[07:41] <nikkia> i asked for another 512MB pair a year ago, i'm still waiting for my boss to get around to ordering them :P
[07:41] <mart> "the game" ?
[07:41] <apokryphos> nikkia: you've gotta continue dropping subtle hints, you see.
[07:41] <nikkia> mart, yeah, i'm a game developer
[07:42] <Hamster> nikkia: cool! :)
[07:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: i have his CC number, i should just order them (in fact, when he gave me it (to order vmware 5.0 upgrade) and i didn't order the ram, he asked me wtf i hadn't emptied the account buying all kinds of stuff :P
[07:43] <esac_> i seem to be missing smbmount, what do i need to install to get it ?
[07:43] <apokryphos> nikkia: having a good boss helps a lot. Heard too many stories from my sister of her quittin' jobs because of bad managers
[07:43] <apokryphos> ok, well only two, but still :P
[07:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: i get on with mine better than most of my co-workers do, for the simple reason that we share the same tastes in music
[07:44] <mart> smbfs: usr/bin/smbmount
[07:44] <apokryphos> Music -- the great communicator
[07:45] <wellso> ganjaking
[07:45] <nikkia> apokryphos: i also greased his palm with a set of guitar strings when his snapped and he had none handy one week :P
[07:45] <mart> esac: smbfs
[07:45] <apokryphos> nikkia: teacher's pet!
[07:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: perhaps, but perhaps i have decent job security :P
[07:46] <PenguinBoy> hey
[07:46] <PenguinBoy> anyone here?
[07:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: when i complained about the company moving office and being a PITA for me, he told me 'we'll do anything we can to make sure you stay with us' :P
[07:47] <apokryphos> nikkia: I'm sure you'd be valuable to them :P. Very good at your job?
[07:47] <nikkia> apokryphos: apparently, yes
[07:47] <apokryphos> nikkia: I helped my boss with typing, and doing something else on the computer for him, so he loves me enough from that ;-)
[07:48] <apokryphos> nikkia: I don't realise it, but I really take fast-typing for granted. Regular people seem to be really amazed by it
[07:48] <TestMAD> i hate trojans
[07:48] <apokryphos> PenguinBoy: /list
[07:48] <apokryphos> oop! Gotta go, people here.
[07:49] <TestMAD> i knew he always tried to avoid us
[07:49] <TestMAD> j/k
[07:49] <nikkia> apokryphos: *nod*, sometimes i get frustrated watching other people hunt and peck :P
[07:49] <nikkia> apokryphos: its like 'jeesus, you've taken 3 minutes on that line already'
[07:49] <gdh> apokryphos: Rule: If you're going to break into a house and steal their interwab, make sure they're on holiday ...
[07:49] <nikkia> lol
[07:52] <Mose`> hrr, i put debs of kde 342 to my list, but it doesn't upgrade...
[08:07] <Hamster> is there an "approved" way of adding apps to the kmenu? I want to do this as root so they're available for all users, hence I won't use kmenuedit
[08:10] <mart> Hamster: you could put something in /usr/share/menu, but of course the package manager could get confused later if you have conflicts
[08:11] <Hamster> right..
[08:11] <mart> it's been a long time since I looked at menu stuff though
[08:11] <Hamster> so I guess there's no real official way of doing it then?
[08:11] <mart> there's an update-menus program, but don't remember what it does
[08:12] <mart> oh, maybe not
[08:12] <mart> Hamster: /usr/local/share/menu would seem like the 'proper' place, but I don't know if that even works
[08:13] <Hamster> I think you then need to run ksysbuilsyscoa or something to get them to appear
[08:13] <Hamster> its been a while for me too :)
[08:14] <Hamster> I've just installed a few apps and under deb they "just worked" but don't seem to under kubuntu..
[08:14] <mart> yeah, although kicker sometimes notices things going in under its feet
[08:30] <nikkia> mart, its a shame [k] ubuntu doesn't use desktop-file-utils :P
[08:31] <wellso> nikkia: did you manage to dig out that link by any chance?
[08:31] <nikkia> wellso, no, but the one i gave you should be enough help
[08:31] <mart> nikkia: I've never heard of it
[08:31] <nikkia> the other one only had stuff about using sdptool, in addition to what that one had
[08:31] <nikkia> mart, allows kde/gnome menus to be built automatically by looking in various paths for .desktop files
[08:32] <mart> nikkia: that's what I thought update-menus did, but it doesn't seem to exist, so I don't know what I'm thinking of...
[08:32] <mart> madness sets in
[08:34] <mart> good grief, even xrdb has disappeared
[08:35] <mart> oh, separate package now
[08:37] <soebbi> Hi everybody
[08:38] <wellso> nikkia: excellent, got it working
[08:38] <soebbi> Is there an apt-repository with OO.org2 Base in it?
[08:38] <soebbi> I mean its database app
[08:40] <mart> soebbi: not that I know of, but kexi 0.9 is packaged now...
[08:40] <mart> he said, hoping no one would check what channels he was in
[08:41] <soebbi> hmpf
[08:46] <Hamster> what's the general consensus regarding gcc4? don't touch? fine to use?
[08:46] <mart> Hamster: it's compiled breezy
[08:46] <Hamster> ok :) may as well give it a whirl then!
[08:48] <comp7> hi all
[08:49] <soebbi> mart: Where do i get kexi from?
[08:49] <mart> soebbi: ah, it's only in breezy
[08:50] <mart> sorry
[08:50] <comp7> can someone tell me why I can see my wifi-network in kWifiManager, but cannot choose to logon to it? I automatically get logged on the the open network of my neighbour (which is really very slow...)
[08:50] <wellso> lol
[08:51] <soebbi> mart: I'm coming from the "pure" debian world, breezy is something like Debian's "experimental" branch?
[08:51] <mart> soebbi: more unstable... :)
[08:51] <comp7> not my neighbour, his network that is...
[08:51] <wellso> nikkia: are you aware of any GUI frontends for the "gnome-obex-send --dest 00:12:47:1D:83:E0 filename" command?
[08:51] <wellso> if i could program I would make one
[08:52] <soebbi> mart: i'm quite fine with unstable, is there a way of installing this peticular package out of breezy
[08:52] <soebbi> wellso: Ever tried kde-bluetooth?
[08:52] <Hamster> mart: it seems the links link to v3 by default, even with 4 installed
[08:53] <insanekane> soebbi: OOo base can be taken in hoary by using universe repository and installing openoffice.org2
[08:53] <insanekane> soebbi: sorry, OOo2 Base
[08:53] <insanekane> soebbi: i believe you also need gcj and hsqldb for it to work though
[08:54] <soebbi> insanekane: I installed OOo2 more or less completly, i don't find any executable though which looks promising
[08:54] <insanekane> soebbi: open Konsole, and start oobase2
[08:55] <insanekane> soebbi: though, you wont be able to use it, if you have not install hsqldb
[08:55] <soebbi> insanekane: command not found
[08:55] <insanekane> (and gcj)
[08:55] <insanekane> soebbi: try apt-get install openoffice.org2-base
[08:55] <mart-> oops hard reset
[08:55] <insanekane> soebbi: actually, sudo apt-get install openoffice.org2 should install OOo2 base as well
[08:56] <insanekane> soebbi: before the apt-get install ... try apt-cache search ... (the reason im so sure, is because I have installed it also)
[08:56] <soebbi> insanekane: That's definitly installed
[08:56] <soebbi> I tried to search for openoffice and base...but no look
[08:56] <mart> insanekane: this is hoary we're talking about
[08:57] <insanekane> mart: yes hoary
[08:57] <mart> insanekane: just checking :)
[08:57] <insanekane> soebbi: ok, try this ... type oowriter2 ... and then, in the New menu, look for "Database"
[08:58] <mart> yum, hard reset broke apt database
[08:58] <soebbi> Good idea...one sec
[08:58] <insanekane> soebbi: you are right, apt-cache search openoffice.org2 does not show Base
[08:58] <insanekane> soebbi: but i have run Base in 1.9.79
[08:59] <soebbi> insanekane: It shows an entry "Database"
[08:59] <insanekane> soebbi: well, click it :)
[08:59] <soebbi> but than asks for a jre
[08:59] <insanekane> soebbi: ah yes ... install gcj
[09:00] <insanekane> soebbi: and hsqldb
[09:00] <insanekane> or you can install non-free JRE also i believe
[09:00] <insanekane> to make it work
[09:00] <soebbi> gcj is ready...but what is hsqldb?
[09:00] <insanekane> soebbi: HSQL = pure Java SQL Databse (embedded databsae engine)
[09:00] <insanekane> soebbi: like SQLite
[09:01] <mart> ah, any ideas what to do with a corrupt /var/lib/dpkg/available?
[09:01] <insanekane> soebbi: i think hsqldb is not in the repos :/
[09:01] <soebbi> insanekane: aaah...thats why i can't find it :)
[09:01] <insanekane> soebbi: so you may have to install manually somewhere in the classpath
[09:02] <insanekane> soebbi: i think H = Hypersonic .. or some such
[09:02] <soebbi> insanekane: Uuuh...now i'm leaving known ground...how do i install something from classpath?
[09:02] <insanekane> soebbi: not install something "in" classpath ..
[09:03] <insanekane> soebbi: basically, in Java, the Java classes are loaded only if they are in the classpath
[09:03] <soebbi> insanekane: I see...so i need to downlad the db and place it somehere
[09:03] <insanekane> soebbi: i believe it is explained in the Java section of the Ubuntu non-free wiki
[09:03] <insanekane> soebbi: yes exactly
[09:03] <insanekane> err ... Ubuntu wiki, non-free installation section
[09:03] <soebbi> insanekane: Thanks a lot...i'm gonna go rtfm :)
[09:03] <insanekane> soebbi: ciao :)
[09:04] <insanekane> soebbi: if you are running breezy, i greatly suggest the OOo2 of breezy ... Base works out of the box
[09:04] <nikkia> insanekane: it doesn't really need to be in the repos, it's just a .jar file :)
[09:04] <insanekane> nikkia: indeed :)
[09:04] <insanekane> nikkia: but if it is in the repos, people like soebbi need not worry about its configuration :)
[09:04] <soebbi> insanekane: I'm not sure, but i think i'm running hoary
[09:05] <nikkia> insanekane: there isn't any configuration
[09:05] <soebbi> insanekane: Horray for apt :)
[09:05] <insanekane> nikkia: configuration == installation+some other processes necessary for easy use of packages ;)
[09:05] <nikkia> insanekane: the only configuration for hsql is done by the java programmer using it
[09:05] <insanekane> nikkia: of course, it may not meet your exacting standards for definitions :)
[09:05] <insanekane> nikkia: :P
[09:06] <nikkia> and if said programmer insisted on it being an external .jar he's an idiot, stuff like that should be embedded in the distributed .jar
[09:06] <insanekane> nikkia: now, you are becoming anal .. it is only becoming of a lawyer ;)
[09:06] <insanekane> nikkia: not an elite programmer like yourself :)
[09:08] <insanekane> soebbi: as you can see, plenty of help here re installation of Java packages ;)
[09:09] <soebbi> *g*
[09:11] <nikkia> the easiest solution is just to put it in the lib directory where your jre is
[09:12] <nikkia> but since my remaining kubuntu machine has no java installed, i can't tell you where that is, somewhere below /usr/lib/
[09:12] <nikkia> i think its /usr/lib/j2re1.5_sun/lib or something like that
[09:13] <nikkia> looks like time to restart X again, its churning cpu cycles bad
[09:14] <insanekane> mart: why ?
[09:14] <mart> insanekane: why do I want to write a cd, or why does it crash?
[09:15] <insanekane> mart: why do you want to learn to write such a CD ?
[09:15] <insanekane> mart: why do you want to learn how to write such a CD ?
[09:15] <mart> it's the only cd writer I've got here
[09:15] <insanekane> err
[09:16] <insanekane> do you hate someone so much that you want to make such a CD and give it to him/her ?
[09:16] <mart> huh? no!!!
[09:16] <insanekane> ah
[09:16] <insanekane> now i get it
[09:17] <nikki> ?
[09:17] <mart> quite a difficult problem
[09:17] <insanekane> mart: indeed :)
[09:18] <insanekane> nikkia: have you ever used db4o ?
[09:18] <nikkia> no
[09:19] <insanekane> hmm
[09:21] <nikkia> gah!
[09:21] <nikkia> my DSL is active, apparently
[09:21] <insanekane> lucky u
[09:21] <nikkia> insanekane: would be considerably more lucky if i had a DSL modem :P
[09:22] <insanekane> LOL
[09:22] <insanekane> indeed
[09:22] <nikkia> insanekane: they claim to have sent me one a month ago, i never received it :(
[09:22] <insanekane> nikkia: thats sad
[09:22] <nikkia> insanekane: i'm on 2Mbps cable atm, with 8Mbps DSL sat unused :(
[09:22] <insanekane> 2MBps !!! amazing
[09:22] <insanekane> nikkia: would you mind telling me how much it costs to maintain such a link ?
[09:23] <insanekane> nikkia: how much it costs to subscribe to such a link
[09:23] <nikkia> insanekane: the cable is 25/mo i think, DSL is 29/mo after 6 mo half price
[09:23] <nikkia> well, 34/mo for the DSL, i paid the extra for a static IP
[09:24] <gdh_> they charge a fiver a month for a static IP? ffs...
[09:25] <nikkia> gdh, at least they offer it
[09:25] <nikkia> gdh, which is more than you can say for most of the providers
[09:25] <gdh_> Not true. any of the ADSL ISPs I've used gave it as standard.
[09:25] <gdh_> Just not the lazy ass big-names liek pipex, AOL, etc.
[09:26] <nikkia> gdh, you're not confusing dhcp-with-incredibly-long-retain-times with static are you ?
[09:26] <nikkia> gdh, for example, your current ISP doesn't have static IPs, just incredibly long retains
[09:26] <gdh_> nikkia: No. That's cable, anyway...
[09:26] <gdh_> bbiab
[09:28] <gdh_> b
[09:28] <gdh_> Sure UK ADSL doesn't even use DHCP :)
[09:29] <nikkia> gdh, umm, yes it does
[09:29] <nikkia> BT charge 10/mo for static, otherwise you get DHCP
[09:29] <gdh_> No, it's all done with PPP and RADIUS.
[09:30] <Hamster> nikkia: is that an additional 10 quid a month for static?
[09:30] <nikkia> Hamster: from BT, yes
[09:30] <gdh_> I did work for an ISP and managed their ADSL rollout..
[09:31] <gdh_> If there's any DHCP involved it's between the customer PC and any router they might have on their LAN...
[09:37] <nikkia> had to reboot, X was churning cpu because i'd forgotten something when i LFS'ed :P
[09:37] <nikkia> i was still using the buggy intel_agp module
[09:38] <mart> does apt-file update not work in breezy?
[09:53] <|QuaD-> does kubuntu breezy have special repos? or does it just use ubuntu breezys?
[09:53] <sergio> hello toall
[09:54] <insanekane> |QuaD-: ubuntu breezy :)
[09:55] <|QuaD-> :)
[09:55] <|QuaD-> my ubuntu breezy box is b0rked :( installing kubuntu on a vm on a diff machine
[09:57] <kay> no, |QuaD- it is the same repository
[09:57] <kay> And how is it broken?
[09:58] <|QuaD-> kay: x is
[09:58] <kay> how so? i am currently seeing you in X :p
[09:59] <kay> Please be a bit more descriptive :)
[09:59] <|QuaD-> kay: have you restarted your xserver lately?
[10:00] <kay> sure
[10:00] <|QuaD-> my xlibs isn't installing
[10:00] <kay> What is it saying?
[10:01] <kay> (It actually runs perfectly, except that xkbutils or so, was not installed and so xkbcomp was missing, given me false keyboard)
[10:01] <|QuaD-> Preparing to replace xlibs 6.8.2-42 (using .../xlibs_6.8.2-43_all.deb) ...
[10:01] <|QuaD-> rmdir: `/etc/X11/xkb/rules': Directory not empty
[10:01] <|QuaD-> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs_6.8.2-43_all.deb (--unpack): subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[10:01] <|QuaD-> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs_6.8.2-43_all.deb
[10:01] <|QuaD-> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:01] <kay> You need to look what is in left there
[10:02] <kay> In my case, I think xfree86.lst was a leftover
[10:02] <|QuaD-> ?
[10:02] <|QuaD-> i should remove stuff from there?
[10:02] <kay> Remove these files as root, then try again
[10:03] <|QuaD-> kay: yeah, i just did. never thought to chekc that out :)
[10:03] <kay> Well, I suspected that I have this problem because I initially install a Debian pre-Sarge, then crossmigrated to Hoary and then to Breezy
[10:03] <|QuaD-> i think its working
[10:03] <kay> If you have the same thing as I, then it will happen a few times
[10:03] <|QuaD-> hehe
[10:03] <|QuaD-> alright
[10:03] <|QuaD-> thanks :)
[10:04] <kay> And make a note to install xkbutils
[10:04] <|QuaD-> kay: when should i install it?
[10:04] <kay> You know, xutils was split into many things
[10:04] <|QuaD-> right
[10:04] <kay> Well, whenever you want
[10:04] <|QuaD-> like now?
[10:04] <kay> But without it, e.g. I could not type a |
[10:04] <|QuaD-> hehe
[10:05] <kay> And did you see the bazillion dependencies that replace what xserver-xorg formerly was
[10:05] <kay> The X in Breezy is still under heavy construction, and may have problems
[10:06] <|QuaD-> yeah
[10:06] <|QuaD-> i knwo
[10:06] <kay> Currently, I cannot install libglu1-xorg without it wanting to remove a few things
[10:06] <|QuaD-> i haven't been worried
[10:07] <kay> Is your system a Hoary install?
[10:07] <|QuaD-> nope, warty->hoary->breezy(current)
[10:07] <kay> Ah, see, then you have xfree leftovers too
[10:07] <|QuaD-> just did a kubuntu install of hoary in a msvp2004 vm
[10:08] <|QuaD-> yeah
[10:08] <kay> for all i know, there are also CDs of Breezy already
[10:08] <kay> I never saw them, but read about it
[10:09] <|QuaD-> kay: the colony cd's are out
[10:10] <kay> What do they mean with Colony?
[10:10] <|QuaD-> do you remember what array's were with hoary?
[10:11] <kay> Ah... that confused me back then too
[10:11] <|QuaD->  basically beta version
[10:11] <|QuaD-> s
[10:11] <kay> Using a different name in order to not make Breezy a bad one?
[10:11] <|QuaD-> eh?
[10:12] <kay> Must be the reason why it's not called Breezy
[10:12] <|QuaD-> no, colony is like saying release 2
[10:12] <|QuaD-> so breezy colony 2 would be same as breezy beta 2
[10:13] <kay> Confusing... but hey, I don't install anymore anyway
[10:13] <|QuaD-> haha yeah
[10:13] <|QuaD-> so how many gtk programs are in kubuntu
[10:13] <kay> Dunno, try to find one.
[10:14] <|QuaD-> i don't see any
[10:14] <kay> Well, synaptic must still be used.
[10:14] <kay> Because ksynaptic sucks too bad.
[10:15] <|QuaD-> hehe
[10:15] <|QuaD-> brb
[10:15] <|QuaD-> gonna restart breezy
[10:15] <kay> good luck :p
[10:17] <JakubS_> |QuaD-: for me it is only java and mplayer (they are not in standard kubuntu)
[10:17] <JakubS_> so kubuntu is actually gtk-free :-)
[10:17] <kay> Well, in so far as I know, KDE uses GTK
[10:18] <kay> To achieve: accessibiliy
[10:18] <kay> To use glib in e.g. artsd
[10:18] <JakubS_> kay: huh? what gtk has to do with accesibility?
[10:19] <kay> It has an implementation of it. Unlike Qt3
[10:19] <JakubS_> kay: and there is arts branch without glib dependency
[10:19] <kay> That does not make the dependency non-existant
[10:19] <kay> I wish people had more respect for the other guys.
[10:20] <JakubS_> well, but it does not have anything to do with gtk (glib and arts)
[10:20] <JakubS_> oh, i wish it too
[10:21] <kay> Well, if you google for glib, tell me where you see that it is not part of GTK.
[10:22] <JakubS_> i don't need to google
[10:22] <JakubS_> glib is lower level library
[10:22] <kay> Hm... it's true, gtk.org says it too
[10:22] <JakubS_> providing stuff like threading and hacky OO in C
[10:22] <kay> It's "developed by the GTK+ team"
[10:22] <JakubS_> gtk is widget toolkit
[10:22] <kay> But that is a toolkit using tools.
[10:23] <kay> Oh man :p
[10:23] <kay> Well, and then, what about kdebase?
[10:23] <JakubS_> what about it?
[10:24] <kay> Doesn't it use some things for ns plugins?
[10:24] <JakubS_> yeah, header from mozilla SDK
[10:24] <JakubS_> and some embedding stuff provided by Qt
[10:27] <kay> Hm... I am searching the source now :p
[10:28] <iuliux> had anyone manage to install the linspire theme on kubuntu (linspire clean on lde-look.org)
[10:29] <satch> hi all - when I try to run debootstrap it exists after saying it can't download base-passwd - anyone know what can be done about that ?
[10:29] <satch> s/exists/exits/
[10:30] <satch> running it on kubuntu 5.04
[10:31] <kay> what are you trying to bootstrap
[10:31] <kay> ?
[10:32] <satch> i've tried bootstrapping sid, woody, and sarge, using different repositories and same results on each
[10:32] <kay> JakubS_: You are indeed right, except for glib, nothing else is needed.
[10:33] <satch> anyone know what could be wrong ?
[10:34] <kay> I know that Hoary failed to bootstrap Breezy
[10:34] <kay> I raised that bug and it was marked "WONTFIX".
[10:34] <satch> Breezy ?
[10:35] <kay> Yeah sure. It was not known at the time Hoary released, and they are not putting it into hoary-updates either
[10:35] <kay> Can you paste the command you use?
[10:35] <satch> sure, hang on a sec
[10:36] <satch> sudo debootstrap sid /mnt/cf http://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/debian/
[10:36] <kay> why sudo? :)
[10:36] <satch> I was doing it as my normal user
[10:37] <kay> hm.... do you even need root.... checking
[10:38] <satch> ok
[10:38] <kay> Well, yes, apparently otherwise it is not even in the path
[10:39] <kay> How many lines of output did you get?
[10:39] <kay> (Seems to work here on Breezy)
[10:40] <satch> it installed several files, probably 2 screens full of output - but when it gets to base-passwd it craps out
[10:40] <satch> what is Breezy ?
[10:40] <kay> And who says that sid will be installable??
[10:40] <kay> (by hoary?)
[10:40] <kay> :)
[10:41] <kay> Breezy is the next release of Ubuntu, currently under development
[10:41] <satch> ok
[10:41] <satch> what command did you use ?
[10:42] <kay> To get Breezy?
[10:43] <satch> yea
[10:43] <kay> Just replace the apt sources "hoary" with "breezy" in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:43] <satch> and then do what ?
[10:43] <kay> Then do apt-get update
[10:43] <kay> And then apt-get upgrade
[10:44] <kay> And then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and see it do a lot of things
[10:44] <kay> And encounter troubles... :p
[10:44] <satch> but i need to build my own distro
[10:44] <kay> Your own distro?
[10:44] <kay> What for?
[10:45] <satch> I have a customer that is needing to run dos over bochs
[10:46] <kay> Hm.... wasn't there dosemu at a time?
[10:46] <buz> i think dos runs pretty well in qemu
[10:46] <buz> and qemu is much easier to get to work than bochs
[10:46] <kay> dosemu - The Linux DOS Emulator
[10:46] <kay> dosemu-freedos - FreeDOS package for DOSEMU
[10:47] <kay> For all I can see, you can likely just use Hoary as it is and install those
[10:47] <kay> If you need to make something that installs from CD, you better read up how to customize Knoppix
[10:47] <kay> (also based on Debian)
[10:47] <satch> well, i'd like ot make them a live cd that doesnt have a lot of crap on it
[10:47] <buz> isnt breezy supposed to install from cd
[10:48] <buz> and installing knoppix isn't the best of all ideas
[10:48] <buz> it always stopped working after updates for me
[10:48] <gdh_> dosemu is handy because it means the DOS app is able to access files / mounts on the Linux side...
[10:48] <buz> gdh_: point
[10:48] <gdh_> a sneaky way of getting a DOS app to read from NFS / samba shares...
[10:49] <insanekane> satch: following the instructions for remastering knoppix should be enough for breezy live as well ... if all you are doing is adding/removing packages afaik
[10:49] <|quad|> kay: you still here
[10:49] <kay> Removing packages is easy enough
[10:49] <buz> but why use breezy
[10:49] <kay> hm |quad| ?
[10:49] <buz> its not even stable
[10:49] <insanekane> buz: breezy/hoary whatever
[10:49] <kay> I would use something with good docs on how to remaster
[10:49] <|quad|> kay: still not working
[10:49] <kay> That would be Knoppix in all cases
[10:50] <buz> i think slax is quite slim
[10:50] <kay> |quad|: Now?
[10:50] <buz> and morphix supposedly comes with good docs
[10:50] <|quad|> kay: right
[10:50] <kay> |quad|: You need to tell the symptoms
[10:50] <insanekane> buz: if all you want is to remaster *some* distro, then you should look at morphix ... they also have a package with a GUI for remastering that works quite well (intellibuild)
[10:51] <kay> Oh... GUI :)
[10:51] <insanekane> buz: talk to gandalfar in #morphix
[10:51] <kay> Is it GTK ;-)))
[10:51] <|quad|> kay: no core keyboared.... fatal server error failed to initialize core devices
[10:51] <buz> i dont want to remaster anything :)
[10:51] <insanekane> kay: yes .. PyGTK
[10:51] <insanekane> buz: oh sorry ... i meant satch
[10:52] <buz> morphix is debian based iirc
[10:52] <kay> Well, |quad| maybe your xorg.conf is broken.
[10:52] <kay> move it away then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:52] <|quad|> kay: it worked before
[10:52] <kay> Well, that was another xserver, not? :)
[10:53] <|quad|> kay: no, it worked until this whole xorg retransformation
[10:53] <kay> so?
[10:53] <|quad|> kay: it has worked for soo long, why would it break
[10:53] <chx> anyone has some good TFT knowledge? Or an idea of a freenode channel on which to ask about a strange thing about my monitor?
[10:53] <kay> It did for me too :p
[10:58] <|quad|> kay: lets see if i fixed it
[10:58] <|quad|> with dpkg reconfigure
[10:58] <kay> normally yes
[10:58] <kay> although there was a bug, fixed since though i thought, of a double definition
[10:58] <|quad|> kay: nope, not working
[10:58] <kay> Look at the errors of startx
[10:59] <kay> do a startx -- :1
[10:59] <kay> What errors do you get?
[10:59] <|quad|> could not open default font fixed
[10:59] <comp7> Hi all,  can someone help me by telling me why I can see my wifi-network in kWifiManager, but cannot choose to logon to it? I automatically get logged on the the open network of my neighbour (which is really very slow...)
[11:00] <JakubS_> |quad|: that was my worst nightmare under debian :-)
[11:01] <|quad|> JakubS_: how did you fix it?
[11:03] <JakubS_> usually by lots of swearing, fiddling with /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.alias, more swearing, running everything from /usr/X11R6/bin that had *fonts* in name, trying to reinstall font packages, ...
[11:03] <|quad|> haha
[11:03] <|quad|> i am going back to play with my old config
[11:04] <JakubS_> after several repetitions of this problem i started to use self-compiled xorg
[11:04] <|quad|> lol
[11:05] <kay> well, hey
[11:05] <wellso> bit of a dumb question, how do i restart a process?
[11:06] <kay> did you really complete the installation of all packages, |quad| ?
[11:06] <wellso> or a daemon i mean
[11:06] <insanekane> wellso: a process ? or a service ?
[11:06] <JakubS_> killall process && process :-)
[11:06] <|quad|> kay: i completed the installation of all the packages
[11:06] <insanekane> wellso: well, sudo /etc/init.d/<service> restart
[11:07] <kay> you have x-window-system-core installed?
[11:07] <insanekane> |quad|:the problem is badly prepared xutils ... it is a known problem
[11:07] <|quad|> kay: lemme check
[11:07] <|quad|> insanekane: i know :(
[11:07] <insanekane> |quad|: i can send you a package which works
[11:07] <|quad|> kay: yeah i have it installed
[11:07] <kay> hm... there is one package that xutils fails to depend on, right?
[11:08] <kay> i saw the bug report when i search for my problem
[11:08] <|quad|> insanekane: i try to use the official ones (no offense to oyurs) i can afford to just wait
[11:08] <kay> hold on, i find it
[11:08] <insanekane> |quad|: this isnt mine ... its Riddell's
[11:09] <|quad|> insanekane: hmmmm
[11:09] <|quad|> how will this affect all of daniel stone's?
[11:09] <insanekane> |quad|: i guess, as far as Kubuntu is concerned, it is as "official" as can be ? :)
[11:09] <|quad|> insanekane: heh, true
[11:09] <insanekane> |quad|: once you get it ... sudo apt-get --reinstall install xbase-fonts
[11:11] <kay> That is the bug http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12872
[11:11] <|quad|> has anyone gotten konquer to use gecko here?
[11:12] <penguinboy> hey hey hey
[11:12] <penguinboy> anyone here?
[11:13] <kay> I thought Suse will do that, why should Konqui do it?
[11:13] <|quad|> eh?
[11:13] <kay> Or more specifically, why should Kubuntu do that :)
[11:14] <|quad|> i prefer gecko to khtml :)
[11:14] <kay> It's not in vanilla KDE yet, is it?
[11:14] <|quad|> no
[11:14] <kay> But as far as I know, Dirk is working on it
[11:14] <kay> But it will take some time I guess
[11:15] <|quad|> yeah
[11:16] <michael> Does anybody know a good memory scanner (for games) designed to run on linux? I have one from windows, but it doesn't work right under wine/cedega.
[11:16] <kay> grep /dev/mem doesn't work?
[11:16] <michael> i'll try
[11:17] <kay> I can do e.g. strings /dev/mem
[11:17] <michael> looks like it's working on something, i just want to be able to cheat in games
[11:18] <michael> it seems like grep /dev/mem froze
[11:20] <michael> got ne ideas, isn't there a program that I can wget to do that stuff?
[11:20] <michael> ne thing??
[11:24] <kay> michael: It is waiting for stdin
[11:24] <kay> michael: read man grep, I of course don't know what you want to grep for
[11:24] <kay> but you can start with grep kay /dev/mem
[11:25] <|quad|> kay: i am down to only xorg font problems
[11:25] <kay> All I wanted to express is that /dev/mem is a normal file that you can search in anyhow you like
[11:25] <wellso> nikkia: hi again, do you know how to restart the hcid daemon?
[11:25] <kay> grep says it is binary... strings finds well, strings in it... and so on
[11:25] <michael> I want to scan the values in memory addresses, then rescan for differences, until I find the right address, and then alter the address to fit my needs
[11:25] <michael> like the number of lives in a game
[11:26] <kay> I doubt that will work so easy :)
[11:26] <kay> |quad|: Well, that is good
[11:27] <michael> well, there are a crap load of programs like that for windows, but none of them work under wine or cedega
[11:27] <|quad|> kay: : it might be good if i could solve it!
[11:27] <michael> they run, but won't find any of the open programs
[11:28] <kay> |quad|: The bug is unsolved it seems
[11:28] <|quad|> kay: :(
[11:29] <kay> Can you find mkfontdir anywhere?
[11:29] <kay> Apparently that is the problem
[11:29] <kay> Without it, no font directory can be a fond directory and you have 0 fonts
[11:30] <kay> And certainly not the only required one then :p
[11:31] <michael> are there any channels for games/cheating?
[11:31] <|quad|> kay: how would i make it somewhere
[11:31] <kay> find / -name mkfontdir
[11:32] <|quad|> should i do it with sudo?
[11:33] <kay> Won't harm, otherwise you get permission denied in some places
[11:43] <soebbi> insanekane: Hi insanekane
[11:44] <soebbi> Got a sec for me? :)
[12:06] <bobbyd> something is broken in my kubuntu install where it doesn't ask me for my password when I do a sudo or click an administrator button in settings. anyone know how to debug or fix this?
[12:07] <nikkia> bobby, try sudo -k
[12:07] <nikkia> then try sudo again
[12:08] <wellso> anyone know how i stop xine opening in multiple instances?
[12:09] <soebbi> nikka: Do you know where i have to put the hsqldb.jar file so that it is recognized by the jre?


[18:03] <ogra_> stgraber, is there something wrong with import-images ? there was a touch rootfs build about 1.5h ago and it was still not picked up
[18:06] <ogra_> hmm, and it looks like the nightlies werent either
[18:06] <ogra_> thats the utopic-proposed channel
[18:07] <ogra_> hmm, seems like only krillin and mako are affected


[07:19] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:05] <arielfe> how can i shut down pycharms database tool connection to a local postgresql from a terminal?
[13:35] <coreycb> jamespage: for bug 1866361, I think I'm just going to bump python-openstacksdk from 0.26.0 to 0.27.0 for stein inline with upstream. the new minor release only includes the patch for this fix and it includes an API change.
[13:35] <jamespage> coreycb: sounds sensible
[17:21] <runelind_q> how can I pass environment variables to a user in a systemd startup script? I created /etc/systemd/system/<service>.d/override.conf
[17:21] <runelind_q> and put in Environment="VARIABLE=value" in the file
[17:22] <runelind_q> but from what I can tell, it doesn't seem to be passed properly.
[17:25] <sdeziel> runelind_q: have you run 'sudo systemctl daemon-reload' ? after creating the override.conf file?
[17:25] <runelind_q> I did
[17:25] <sdeziel> runelind_q: and restarted the unit in question?
[17:26] <runelind_q> correct
[17:27] <runelind_q> I'm supposed to be able to do systemctl --user show-environment, but I get "Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory"
[17:27] <sdeziel> runelind_q: the override you created is for the system instance, not the user one
[17:28] <runelind_q> sorry it is /etc/systemd/system/traefik.service.d/override.conf
[17:28] <runelind_q> (I'm working with traefik, obvs)
[17:29] <sdeziel> runelind_q: this is still in the system instance, nothing you can see with systemctl --user
[17:29] <sdeziel> runelind_q: that said, show-environment won't show you the env vars exported to the unit you overrode
[17:30] <runelind_q> ah ok, so it looks like I potentially need to do<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[17:30] <sdeziel> runelind_q: to see those, you'd probably need to do something like this: sudo grep -a VARIABLE /proc/$traefik_pid/environ
[17:31] <runelind_q> (am reading https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/User#Environment_variables)
[17:31] <runelind_q> I'm launching traefik with the traefik user and group
[17:32] <sdeziel> runelind_q: right but that traefik unit is run/managed by the system instance of systemd
[17:33] <sdeziel> runelind_q: could you pastebin the output of: systemctl cat traefik.service
[17:34] <runelind_q> sdeziel: https://pastebin.com/EmYdEZ17
[17:35] <runelind_q> it looks like some stuff got cut off, but it appears to be only comments.
[17:35] <runelind_q> (copied the startup script from someone else)
[17:35] <sdeziel> runelind_q: so I think the issue is that you pass Environment= twice
[17:35] <sdeziel> runelind_q: only the last one is effective
[17:36] <runelind_q> the traefik user needs CF_API_EMAIL and CF_API_KEY to be able to run traefik properly
[17:36] <sdeziel> err, sorry, I can't read man pages, scratch that
[17:36] <sdeziel> runelind_q: since the content of /etc/systemd/system/traefik.service.d/override.conf, I'd recommend tweaking it's ownership/permissions BTW
[17:37] <sdeziel> runelind_q: your setup looks sane to me, what exactly makes you conclude it's not 'passing the env vars properly'?
[17:38] <runelind_q> because traefik complains about missing values for CF_API_EMAIL or CF_API_KEY
[17:38] <runelind_q> if I run traefik as root with those values manually exported, everything works fine.
[17:40] <runelind_q> sdeziel: interesting if I grep -a CF_API_KEY /proc/22095/environ I do see it, same with EMAIL
[17:40] <runelind_q> sdeziel: so I must be doing something else wrong :(
[17:40] <sdeziel> sudo grep -a CF_API_ /proc/$(systemctl show --value -p MainPID traefik)/environ
[17:41] <sdeziel> ah, I was too slow ;)
[17:41] <runelind_q> but your command was fancier :)
[17:42] <runelind_q> I guess I can go ask the traefik peeps
[17:44] <runelind_q> oh wait hold on
[17:44] <runelind_q> this is with the manually exported values.  Let me kill my root process and systemctl start it with the traefik user
[17:44]  * runelind_q facepalms
[17:45] <sdeziel> runelind_q: word of advise when doing tests as root: any file created when doing your test will be impossible to write by the low-priv user afterwards... which may cause you headaches
[17:45] <runelind_q> noted
[17:47] <runelind_q> ok, now that I'm running it as the traefik user, I don't see the environment variables at all.
[17:49] <sdeziel> runelind_q: what do you get from: sudo grep -a CF_API_ /proc/$(systemctl show --value -p MainPID traefik)/environ
[17:49] <runelind_q> nothing in return at all
[17:49] <runelind_q> if I just cat it I get some values back
[17:49] <runelind_q> LANG=C.UTF-8PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/snap/binHOME=/var/wwwLOGNAME=traefikUSER=traefikINVOCATION_ID=b52587803e364c05beb88ca0dd98914dJOURNAL_STREAM=9:6600383
[17:50] <runelind_q> but I definitely got more values back when running as root
[17:50] <sdeziel> when running as root, it probably inherited your whole environment
[17:51] <runelind_q> yes
[17:52] <sdeziel> does "systemctl show --value -p Environment traefik" looks sane?
[17:53] <runelind_q> also returns blank
[17:53] <runelind_q> but ps -ax | grep traefik shows a pid of 28299
[17:53] <runelind_q> so I did cat /proc/28299/environ
[17:53] <runelind_q> and the results were pasted above
[17:54] <sdeziel> does that match the value returned by: systemctl show --value -p MainPID traefik
[17:54] <runelind_q> it does
[17:56] <sdeziel> runelind_q: I'm out of good ideas, at this point I'd try adding 'ExecStartPre=/usr/bin/env' and see if the env ends up in the unit's logs
[17:58] <sdeziel> runelind_q: I just noticed that your override file doesn't have the [Service] header
[17:59] <runelind_q> oh, that's a good catch.
[18:01] <runelind_q> ok, now they show up in systemctl show --value -p Environment traefik :D
[18:05] <sdeziel> runelind_q: meanwhile, I got this log message when trying to restrict access to a config file: systemd[1]: Configuration file /etc/systemd/system/foo.service is marked world-inaccessible. This has no effect as configuration data is accessible via APIs without restrictions. Proceeding anyway.
[18:08] <sdeziel> runelind_q: because of this, you might want to switch to using EnvironmentFile= pointing to a file that's readable by root only if you care about keeping the API key secret
[18:09] <runelind_q> sdeziel: thanks, I'll look into it
[18:10] <sdeziel> you are welcome
[18:10] <runelind_q> sdeziel: going to wander off and grab some lunch and do further testing in a bit.  Thank you very much for your help!