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[05:31] <lesamourai_> problem with ubuntu aquarius E5 phone , entered reboot loop .
[06:06] <lesamourai> Need help to reflash BQ ubuntu aquarius  phone.
[06:09] <anpok_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/602035/how-do-i-use-ubuntu-device-flash-with-the-bq-aquaris-e4-5-and-aquaris-e5
[06:11] <lesamourai> Thanks anpok_!
[06:16] <anpok_> yw, sorry that you have to go through bootstrap..
[06:16] <anpok_> do you know what caused that for your phone?
[06:19] <lesamourai> i am not really sure , but im guessing it happened after I updated the phone
[06:28] <anpok_> on which channel?
[06:32] <lesamourai> updating the phone from System Settings  upgraded it to 15.04 and i suppose it was after then this issue appeared
[07:04] <lesamourai> reflash completed and its working fine now, thanks anpok_ !
[07:06] <anpok_> lesamourai: ok so you nevere selected a non-stable channel?
[07:06] <anpok_> *never
[07:07] <anpok_> this should never happen (tm) .. if you can remember the detais of what hapened consider filing a bug report to https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image
[07:07] <lesamourai> no i never selected non-stable channel
[07:21] <lesamourai> i am doubtful about something that might have caused it , but to be sure I will have to try it again
[07:35] <lesamourai> ok, i tested it my remounting file system in read-write mode , bug has not reappeared.
[13:23] <hypermist> Someone thats used. Ubuntu-Touch what is it like ?
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> very good hypermist
[13:25] <hypermist> lotuspsychje, dayum dude your like everywhere xD
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> :p
[13:26] <ogra_> it is like strawberries with cream :)
[13:26] <lotuspsychje> hypermist: works like a charm on my nexus7
[13:26] <hypermist> I just realized if i changed to ubuntu touch it'd probably not work with android apps
[13:26] <hypermist> xD
[13:27] <ogra_> who needs android apps :)
[13:27] <tathhu> i only need twitch :P
[13:27] <tathhu> ... or if I can use livestreamer on touch..
[13:27] <hypermist> ogra_, cause i use bitcoin mobile app's thats only built for androids
[13:27] <hypermist> xD
[13:28] <ogra_> i think there is a bitcoin app in the sotre
[13:28] <ogra_> *store
[13:28] <hypermist> ogra_, naah this doesnt just have bitcoin
[13:28] <hypermist> xD
[13:28] <ogra_> https://uappexplorer.com/apps?q=bitcoin&sort=relevance
[13:29] <hypermist> is coinomi in that list
[13:29] <hypermist> If not. it wont work :P
[13:31] <hypermist> If i wanted coinomi or any android app on Ubuntu-touch i'd have to code it myself
[13:31] <hypermist> Damnit :(
[13:33] <hypermist> I dont think its worth it for me to change to Ubuntu-Touch
[13:35] <hypermist> Unless their is a way to use android apps on ubuntu-touch but i highly doubt that
[13:35] <hypermist> xD
[13:36] <hypermist> By the awkard silence i probably say Thats a no
[13:36] <hypermist> haha
[13:36] <ogra_> not planned
[13:36] <hypermist> Cause i would've liked to try ubuntu touch
[13:36] <hypermist> xD
[13:39] <hypermist> But i dont have another android to play with
[13:39] <hypermist> xD
[13:41] <hypermist> so its staying with my android xD
[13:43] <ogra_> did you ever use a linux deskop ?
[13:43] <hypermist> I have yes
[13:43] <hypermist> I use linux os mostly on my servers though
[13:43] <hypermist> haha
[13:44] <ogra_> really ? why ? it doesnt come with MSOffice or photoshoop
[13:44] <hypermist> xD
[13:47] <hypermist> Cause i do most of stuff with linux that is require for apache,etc ogra_
[13:49]  * ogra_ just wanted to point out the analogy ...
[13:50] <hypermist> Well i'll leave here
[16:46] <Thaurwylth> Snapping back at people who are trying to point out serious flaws in your design philosophy isn't going to win you over that many new users or converts.
[16:52] <dhbiker> so.. i finally figured it out.. on arale if you connect it to a pc while on a lockscreen it doesn't show internal memory but after you unlock it it works
[16:53] <dhbiker> strange behaviour
[16:56] <dobey> Thaurwylth: what are you talking about? who snapped back at whom?
[16:57] <Thaurwylth> Well, the response to Hypermist was the last one, but I have been getting these vibes in here for a couple of weeks.
[16:58] <dobey> well he wasn't pointing out serious flaws. if "the apps from XYZ Propreitary Software Corp. aren't available" is a serious flaw, then nobody would be using linux at all
[16:58] <dobey> i'd hardly call ogra_'s response "snappping back at people who are trying to point out serious flaws in our design philosophy"
[16:58] <Thaurwylth> I see.
[16:59] <dobey> ogra_ was just making tha analogy with a standard pc.
[17:00] <Thaurwylth> The thing here is that these issues are actually pretty well handled in the desktop world.
[17:00] <dobey> but they're not
[17:01] <dobey> any day of the week askubuntu gets plenty of questions about how to run some favorite or necessary windows app, and complaints about it not working under wine, etc…
[17:03] <tathhu> Maybe all those "xD"
[17:03] <tathhu> .. say enough
[17:04] <dobey> there are plnety of apps that i can't use, because the vendors don't support linux
[17:17] <ogra_> Thaurwylth, well, he didnt even make any effort to check the uappexplorer link i pointed him to, else he would have seen that there is a native bitcoin app based on the original bitcoin java client and yes, dobey is right, i didnt "snap back at him", i was just trying to point out that he would use libereoffice most likely when using a dektop linux .. sadly he left before i could type my next sentence
[17:18] <tathhu> Ahh
[17:18] <tathhu> Back to Ubuntu on my N7, still going to miss twitch :P
[17:27] <ogra_> Thaurwylth, also, if you think there is a flaw in our design philosophy, feel free to make suggestions, we have a mailing list where everyone is invited to post suggestions (touch i doubt you would really want to run android apps on your ubuntu device since it would not even have half the functionality it has on android and the majority of functions simply couldnt work)
[17:28] <ogra_> s/touch i doubt/though i doubt/
[17:58] <maggot__> hey guys/girls how do i run a .sh script on the ubuntu phone?
[17:59] <popey> sh ./foo.sh
[17:59] <maggot__> it says bad interpreter permission denied
[18:02] <maggot__> i got it to run but it throws errors   cannot create dev/null
[18:02] <maggot__> will nmap ever be ported to up?
[18:03] <maggot__> can anyone give me a basic script to test?
[18:07] <ted_> How do i open python from the terminal?
[18:09] <lesamourai> maggot try /bin/bash scriptname.sh
[18:15] <dobey> ted_: type "python3" ?
[18:26] <ted_> Thanks a million guys you sorted all my problems :)
[18:31] <Thaurwylth> Well, I think that an Android runtime environment and perhaps even HyperV like mobile Win runtime environment would be really good additions on to-do list. Perhaps not top additions, but having some functionality in that direction would be a real selling point for any kinds of Ubuntu devices, I reckon. Now I of course do not well understand the technical ramifications - if it indeed is so that Touch is mainly run on ...
[18:31] <Thaurwylth> ... very, hum, let's say resource-poor systems and that developing, like, full HyperV support on those systems is simply not at all feasible, well, then I kind of see the point. I'm also sort of interested in how BlueStacks can exist for Windows - it's an Android RTE sort of - but nothing of the like has been discussed for Ubuntu.
[18:32] <ogra_> Thaurwylth, and how would that runtime env talk to the hardware, access files or any other data on your system ?
[18:33] <ogra_> (i mean without completely droppin all security ubuntu has today)
[18:34] <ogra_> i doubt it is hard to bundle the runtime env with a re-packed apk ... but it would really not be fun to use
[18:35] <Thaurwylth> It's sort of obvious that I can't answer those kinds of questions, but I thought that would be like one of the least problems, considering that Ubuntu Touch can be installed on a device which was designed to be an Android device in the first place! From some earlier discussion I even recall that typical installation of Touch over an Android device retains a small virtual environment of Android functionality which ...
[18:35] <Thaurwylth> ... answers to different kinds of system calls arising on the hardware level. But anyways, I was about to say something else...
[18:36] <Thaurwylth> If that hardware problem is a serious one, then I'll take note of it.
[18:36] <Thaurwylth> And be less vocal about that viewpoint.
[18:37] <ogra_> right, there is a minimal android bit in every ubuntu ... it is the hardware abstraction layer ... i.e. the binary drivers and the glue to make them usable ... there is no bit of java or anythin in there and nothing on the ubuntu side can talk directly to it
[18:38] <Thaurwylth> Ah.
[18:38] <ogra_> it runs shielded inside an lxc container
[18:38] <ogra_> the translating bit is libhybris that forwards system calls between the two envorinments
[18:39] <Thaurwylth> Anyways, how I see it, completely from a pragmatist viewpoint - either you offer emulator type solutions, or you use your own project resources to come up with 99% compatible ports or derivations or plagiates. It's all fair and noble to think that they'll support us if people nicely poke them about it, and this is definitely the correct path in some abstract sense, but my sense is the pargmatic one. It's impossible ...
[18:40] <Thaurwylth> ... to win an uphill battle without trying to offer ways to mimic what everyone else is offering.
[18:40] <ogra_> if you can run apks, would you expect anyone to even care for offering a native app ?
[18:40] <ogra_> (apart from the techincal difficulties)
[18:42] <tathhu> ^that
[18:43] <Thaurwylth> Actually, I don't know how Windows mobile devices cope with this, perhaps they don't. If they do, then I hold it pragmatically shown that this can be overcome.
[18:43] <maggots> hi again, anyway to install pip on ubuntu phone?
[18:43] <maggots> is it in the repos?
[18:43] <Thaurwylth> Because I also hold it the be shown that since Bluestacks exists, it is or it will be possible to have Android capabilities in Windows mobile environments.
[18:47] <ogra_> maggots, use a chroot inside the /home/phablet/ dir ... there you can install everything from the archive
[18:49] <ogra_> Thaurwylth, sure, and it would work on ubuntu too ... but it would also have to completely break the security model and have to apply the android non-security model to have the same features ... not to talk about UI pieces that you would be missing on the OS side ... the experience would be rather suboptimal
[18:49] <maggots> ogra: are you sure that won't brick the phone
[18:49] <tathhu> (... and I could use livestreamer on my tablet? awesome!)
[18:49] <ogra_> maggots, a chroot ? nah :)
[18:51] <maggots> ok, thanks a bunch just got the phone and it's alot different to the desktop still just playing around with it
[18:51] <ogra_> maggots, wget http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/releases/vivid/release/ubuntu-core-15.04-core-armhf.tar.gz ... mkdir /home/phablet/mychroot ... cd /home/phablet/mychroot .,.. untar the tarball here ... copy /etc/resolv.conf to etc/  ... then you can call chroot .
[18:52] <ogra_> and in there you can call apt-get update, apt-get instal as you like ... wont do any harm to the phone (will indeed eat your disk space)
[18:52] <maggots> another question can i run docker on ubuntu phone?
[18:52] <ogra_> (you might want to mount proc ans sys inside the chroot, some packages expect them to be there)
[18:53] <maggots> as it is i mean?
[18:53] <ogra_> well, you would need the docker binary somehow
[18:53] <ogra_> but then, yes, indeed
[18:53] <ogra_> not sure how the performance would be
[18:53] <ogra_> i know its a snail on my RPi2 sanppy install
[18:54] <ogra_> *snappy
[18:54] <maggots> why dont they include docker by default for people who want a full "Desktop" like system?
[18:55] <ogra_> there will be something included eventually ... though more likely lxc in usermode than docker
[18:55] <ogra_> it is part of the convergence work
[18:55] <ogra_> (btw, lxc is preinstalled, it runs the container that holds the HW drivers)
[18:55] <maggots> ok, that sounds cool, i guess i'll just have to wait.
[19:50] <maggots> is LXD install on ubuntu touch? if so how the hell do i use it?
[19:50] <Ziggurat> I am working on porting regular Ubuntu Wily to my tablet and have gotten quite far. Is there anyway to install Ubuntu Touch as a login session in Wily?
[19:53] <maggots> any ubuntu touch core developers on here?
[20:16] <maggots> hip hop hippy
[20:16] <ogra_> maggots, during the week is a better time to catch anyone here :)
[20:16] <ogra_> people tend to relax on weekends


[01:03] <xephos> hi there, anyone out there?
[01:09] <zoredache> maybe...
[01:09] <zoredache> !ask
[01:10] <xephos> !ask
[01:10] <xephos> i see that's a bot
[01:12] <xephos> well, to anyone out there: I just installed Xubuntu, I have a second internal hard drive that Xubuntu knows is there when i ran fdisk -l but when i tried to mount it, i could only see this single document with a name that looked like a small matrix (like 2x2 matrix).  any ideas?
[01:14] <xephos> it's a FAT32 btw
[01:36] <Vencabot> Hey, Xubuntu. For some reason, after applying settings with the nvidia-settings tool, Xfce's Display Settings offers 1680x1510@88 resolution.  Any advice?
[01:39] <cody-somerville> Vencabot, try "default"?
[01:39] <Vencabot> I let nvidia-settings change my xorg.conf, and it added some nice HorizSync and VertRefresh lines that I didn't have before, but even with this new xorg.conf I can only get 1680x1510@88 if I go through the nvidia-settings tool first.
[01:40] <Vencabot> I'm not sure what rates Default uses, but before I go through nvidia-settings, 1680x1050@88 isn't even an option.
[01:41] <Vencabot> (I didn't mean 1510 before, I meant 1050.)
[01:43] <Vencabot> I'm just curious where Xcfe's settings manager is getting all of these values from, and why applying changes through nvidia-settings would only change my list of possible values temporarily.
[01:47] <xephos> Hey there, maybe one of you has an idea about this.  I just installed Xubuntu, I have a second internal hard drive that Xubuntu knows is there when i ran fdisk -l but when i tried to mount it, i could only see this single (i guess txt) document with a name that looked like a small matrix (like 2x2 matrix).  any ideas?
[06:32] <slimjimflim> anybody know what packages correspond to these libraries?    *  xlib (pkg-config xlib) - Standard Xlib library
[06:32] <slimjimflim>     * xtst (pkg-config xtest) - XTEST library
[08:53] <zorglu_> q. im planning to install xubuntu on a EEEpc, how large is the install on disk ?
[10:02] <nacre> It seems to use 3,5G atm
[10:04] <nacre> pretty strange.. I updated xfce4 to 4.4.2 and now global shortcuts don't work untill I open/close keyboard settings..
[13:08] <KOJV> The programs require the kernel module i8k.o which can be compiled from the package sources or found in Linux kernel 2.4.14 and later versions.
[13:09] <KOJV> Where can I get that kernel module? Thanks!
[13:09] <Myrtti> type "uname -a"
[13:10] <KOJV> Linux ellenor-laptop 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[13:10] <Myrtti> 2.6.24 > 2.4.14; but you don't have that?
[13:11] <Myrtti> I've got it in my laptop
[13:11] <Myrtti> are you trying to compile something?
[13:11] <KOJV> Myrtti: trying to install i8kfans.
[13:11] <KOJV> Or, well, it's installed but it won't run.
[13:11] <KOJV> I'm just fishing in the dark here.
[13:12] <Myrtti> where did you download from?
[13:12] <KOJV> debian.org or something.. .also tried downloading it from the main respitory.
[13:13] <Myrtti> ahem, ok.
[13:16] <KOJ1> Sorry, the machine hung.
[13:18] <KOJV> As I said, I'm trying to run i8kfans, fishing in the dark here...
[13:24] <KOJV> Nobody knows how to make i8kfans work?
[13:28] <Stroganoff> KOJV have you loaded ther kernel module? i8k.ko
[13:29] <Stroganoff> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-216652.html
[13:29] <Stroganoff> this thread also suggests to update your BIOS
[13:46] <The_ManU_212> hi
[13:46] <The_ManU_212> i installed hardy on a machine with ati radeon 9200 graphicscard
[13:46] <The_ManU_212> it doesnt detect the card and uses vesa
[13:47] <The_ManU_212> the hardware manager also doesnt show any propitary driver
[13:47] <The_ManU_212> the new fglrx doesnt supportr this card anymore
[13:47] <The_ManU_212> so i wanted to install the 8.28 driver manually, but it didnt worked, to many errors also because /bin/sh is dash ...
[13:47] <The_ManU_212> how can i get 3d acceleration?
[13:48] <cody-somerville> Install envy-ng
[13:48] <The_ManU_212> cody-somerville: do you have any howto?
[13:48] <The_ManU_212> and then my card is running?
[13:48] <Myrtti> !envy
[13:48] <deniz_ogut> Hello. xubuntu 8.04 /turkish locale here. After my recent updates,I coudn't sign as my default user,which was an old one (3 distro upgrade) . I managed to solve it in some ways.I want to open a bug report but I don't knowhowto create the same conditions. Someone who had floating_ aced the same issue?
[13:49] <Myrtti> !info envy-ng
[13:49] <cody-somerville> http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[13:49] <deniz_ogut> ... or should we burrysuch things to the history?
[13:49] <Myrtti> do'h
[13:50] <The_ManU_212> cody-somerville: i have an ATI card
[13:50] <cody-somerville> The_ManU_212, It works for nvidia and ATI
[13:50] <The_ManU_212> Myrtti: hm thats bad :(
[13:50] <Myrtti> it should be there...
[13:51] <The_ManU_212> cody-somerville: but as it seems hardy has no envy source?
[13:51] <cody-somerville> !info envy-gtk
[13:51] <Myrtti> !info envyng-gtk
[13:51] <cody-somerville> there you go
[13:52] <The_ManU_212> which package shall i install?
[13:52] <The_ManU_212> envyng-gtk?
[13:54] <nacre> Can anyone help.. I updated xfce4 to 4.4.2 and now global shortcuts won't work until I open&close keyboard settings?
[13:55] <Myrtti> The_ManU_212: yes
[13:56] <The_ManU_212> Myrtti: ok i'll try xubuntu currently is reinstalling, because i destroyed my system beacause of changes with bash and das
[13:56] <The_ManU_212> h
[14:23] <Tobias78> Hi, I'm KOJV, the official dumbnut IRCing on the machine that keeps hanging from overheating... please repeat any messages to me for the past five minutes. Thanks a lot!
[14:25] <Tobias78> Can someone please help me get i8kfans running? It's a Debian project that I try to run on Xubuntu. Dell Inspiron 8200 with new, 2-wire fans (no yellow wire to control them). I need i8kfans to make the fans run. Works fine in Windows. Please help!
[14:27] <cody-somerville> Tobias78, :/
[14:28] <Tobias78> cody-somerville?
[14:38] <The_ManU_212> where is the config of xfterm4?
[14:39] <The_ManU_212> because tehre is something wrong, graphic bugs i cant see all i type etc
[14:39] <The_ManU_212> i installed xubuntu new
[14:39] <The_ManU_212> so it has to be in /home ehich i only mounted
[14:45] <The_ManU_212> some one can help?
[14:55] <ron_o> egads.. I gotta a serious issue with, apparently, gnome-power-prefernces.... my computer keeps suspending after only a few minutes...
[14:56] <ron_o> however, I changes something in my power preferences to keep going (maybe)..
[14:56] <The_ManU_212> where is the xfterm4 config situated?
[14:56] <The_ManU_212> i have graphical issues, cant read the text (it is nooo font problem)
[14:57] <TheSheep> The_ManU_212: in ~/.config/terminal/terminalrc
[14:58] <ron_o> under >> preferences >> actions
[14:59] <ron_o> dying here
[15:02] <Tobias78> Can someone please help me get i8kfans running? It's a Debian project that I try to run on Xubuntu. Dell Inspiron 8200 with new, 2-wire fans (no yellow wire to control them). I need i8kfans to make the fans run. Works fine in Windows. Please help!
[15:13] <ron_o> my computer keeps trying to suspend without my authorization.
[15:13] <ron_o> I just logged out and back in and it's doing OK this second, but who knows in a few minutes..
[15:14] <ron_o> I changed my gnome-power-preferences to ask me what to do when the power button is clicked and then all of a sudden the shutdown/suspend sequence started..
[15:15] <ron_o> otherwise it would suspend automatically.
[15:16] <Tobias78> Running Xubuntu, this Inspiron 8200 suddenly hangs, with CapsLock and ScrollLock lights flashing. Anybody dare guess why?
[15:24] <TheSheep> Tobias78: kernel panic
[15:25] <AlexCONRAD> hi, I just install hardy
[15:25] <AlexCONRAD> and i'm new to xubuntu
[15:25] <AlexCONRAD> (or ubuntu in general)
[15:25] <AlexCONRAD> i can't find the patch command
[15:25] <AlexCONRAD> sudo patch doesn't work neiether
[15:25] <AlexCONRAD> neither
[15:26] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: what are you trying to do?
[15:26] <AlexCONRAD> TheSheep: hi, i'm trying to patch a file to compile a module
[15:26] <AlexCONRAD> TheSheep: and patch doesn't seem to be installed
[15:26] <TheSheep> AlexCONRAD: install the 'build-essential' package
[15:27] <AlexCONRAD> aah
[15:27] <TheSheep> it will install the compiler and most tools
[15:27] <AlexCONRAD> ok, now, I have no network on my computer
[15:27] <AlexCONRAD> as I'm trying to patch the network card module
[15:27] <AlexCONRAD> is build-essential on the xubuntu CD ?
[15:28] <AlexCONRAD> and i've never played with .debs before... i'm comming from fedora (rpms)
[15:28] <AlexCONRAD> so i'm still a little unconfortable with all that
[15:34] <Tobias78> TheSheep, how come?
[15:34] <AlexCONRAD> I have found the build-essentials package in the cdrom under main/b/build-essentials
[15:34] <Myrtti> uh-oh
[15:34] <Myrtti> just enable the cd as a repository in the package manager
[15:34] <AlexCONRAD> (or something like that, the pc is in the other room)
[15:35] <AlexCONRAD> package manager ... right. I'll look for that. Its in the menus ?
[15:35] <Myrtti> applications - system - software sources
[15:35] <Myrtti> tick cd on
[15:35] <AlexCONRAD> (because double clicking the .deb complains about dependencies)
[15:35] <AlexCONRAD> thanks Myrtti
[15:35] <AlexCONRAD> ill go try that, brb
[15:36] <Myrtti> then you can install the bugger with synaptic
[15:36] <AlexCONRAD> what's the bugger for ?
[15:36] <Myrtti> and it'll pull the dependencies too
[15:36] <Myrtti> the bugger = build-synaptics
[15:36] <AlexCONRAD> synaptics ?
[15:36] <AlexCONRAD> :p
[15:36] <Myrtti> sorry
[15:36] <Myrtti> need coffee
[15:36] <Myrtti> brain fart
[15:41] <Tobias78> Anyone know how to put i8k in the systray?
[16:08] <platyhelminth> How to use 32 bit binaries on 64 bit Ubuntu (or Xubuntu)
[16:34] <The_ManU_212> envy-ng detects my ati radeon 9200 correctly, but says that the legacy driver which works with this card not available is for hardy, what to do for 3d acceleration?
[16:36] <deniz_ogut> Sorry just asking for info: Is the default viewer for image files gimp and the default reader/viewer for plain text files OpenOfice in Xubuntu? I use xubuntu and was upgrading via Web for the last 3 distro and nowI added a newuser and its the case. Am I missing something?
[16:36] <suRs> hello everyone
[16:36] <deniz_ogut> hi
[16:36] <suRs> i neeed help :D
[16:37] <deniz_ogut> sak
[16:37] <deniz_ogut> ask
[16:37] <Myrtti> deniz_ogut: nope, in xubuntu there isn't even openoffice installed by default
[16:37] <deniz_ogut> interesting.
[16:37] <suRs> hay myrtti
[16:37] <Myrtti> hi suRs
[16:37] <suRs> so myrtti
[16:37] <suRs> im going to send you a link
[16:38] <suRs> on my laptop configurations .. and you are going to give me an advice for best linux to my computer
[16:38] <Myrtti> uh-oh :-)
[16:38] <deniz_ogut> ok, i installed OperOffice bymyself once a time but why its the default fon text files? should I enter a bug?
[16:38] <Myrtti> I'm not such a good hardware expert
[16:38] <Myrtti> deniz_ogut: you can change that yourself
[16:39] <deniz_ogut> of course I can and I di  I am asking for the benefit of the humanity. maybe there's a bug.
[16:39] <Myrtti> click a text file with the right mouse button, select Open with other application
[16:39] <deniz_ogut> i kknowdear friend.
[16:39] <Myrtti> you've probably changed it yourself by accident
[16:40] <deniz_ogut> maybe. but you knowits hard. I'm a good linuxuser.
[16:42] <deniz_ogut> is there any developer here who wishes to know more about the situation?
[16:43] <The_Kernel> wrong channel deniz_ogut
[16:43] <The_Kernel> :/
[16:43] <deniz_ogut> which one?
[16:45] <deniz_ogut> @The_Kernel: problem is this:i am not a member of developers or so and I dan't want to enter a bug if its nonsense.
[16:46] <The_Kernel> Its nonsense :/
[16:47] <deniz_ogut> so... ok... but my machine does so. anyway ok. ı just warnted to warn if its a bug. i see that it is not.
[16:48] <suRs> http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/HP_Compaq_Business_Notebook_nc6400_RM106AW-UUZ/version.asp
[16:48] <suRs> annyone can tell witch Op system for me is best if i use this computer!
[16:49] <y4ndexx> Linux.
[16:49] <deniz_ogut> @suRs: what is the problem?
[16:49] <suRs> yes  but witch linux?
[16:49] <suRs> well the problem is i dont know what ubuntu i should use becose i can run compiz on this laptop
[16:50] <suRs> and my laptop is pretty good one it costed 2.300 usd! in the beggning -.-
[16:50] <deniz_ogut> what is your RAM?
[16:50] <y4ndexx> Why can't you try the Live CD versions?
[16:50] <suRs> 1024 mb 667 mhz i think
[16:50] <suRs> i just installed ubuntu from my windows
[16:51] <deniz_ogut> not procesessor but ram i ask like 128 256 1 GB etc...
[16:51] <suRs> 1 Gb
[16:51] <y4ndexx> deniz: he told ya already.
[16:51] <deniz_ogut> ubuntu is just for you.
[16:51] <suRs> the orginal one?
[16:51] <deniz_ogut> if you like to use xubuntu;its a matter of taste.
[16:52] <deniz_ogut> if you want one answer: ubuntu
[16:52] <y4ndexx> *buntu
[16:52] <deniz_ogut> ....my opinion for sure.
[16:52] <Myrtti> suRs: you're not going to get unbiased answers here ;-)
[16:52] <suRs> what verison on ubuntu should i use then?
[16:52] <deniz_ogut> what can i do.you see the q...
[16:52] <y4ndexx> 8.04 LTS
[16:52] <suRs> what does lts mean?
[16:53] <y4ndexx> 8 means 2008, .04 means April, LTS means Long Term Support.
[16:53] <deniz_ogut> means its hard to answer distro questions...
[16:53] <y4ndexx> Use Ubuntu.
[16:53] <deniz_ogut> but i believe that ubuntu is right for you.
[16:53] <y4ndexx> Try the live version.
[16:53] <suRs> i dont have the cd
[16:53] <y4ndexx> Burn one.
[16:53] <suRs> i have it on the map
[16:54] <y4ndexx> map?
[16:54] <suRs> on my windows im not good at burnign stuff i might ask my boyfriend but hes no home
[16:54] <suRs> yeah i downloaded it and extraced it and installed it
[16:54] <y4ndexx> umm...
[16:54] <deniz_ogut> ???
[16:55] <Myrtti> wubi
[16:55] <suRs> well
[16:55] <suRs> i guess i just ahve to reinstall it again
[16:55] <y4ndexx> well, if it's installed, what's the problem?
[16:55] <deniz_ogut> @suRs: do you have a install CD at han? a linuxone maybe an ubuntu?
[16:55] <deniz_ogut> *hand
[16:55] <suRs> no i dont have a cd
[16:56] <deniz_ogut> howdid you install it?
[16:56] <suRs> I have all files on A map in my windows op witch i used to install my xubuntu
[16:56] <y4ndexx> The best way to know if Ubuntu will work, is to run it from live CD.
[16:56] <suRs> well i just doubble klicked O_o on the exe
[16:56] <suRs> xd
[16:56] <deniz_ogut> oh ok, you downloaded but doesnt have CD . rigt?
[16:56] <suRs> yeah
[16:56] <suRs> i havnt burned it :p
[16:56] <suRs> he
[16:57] <deniz_ogut> would you please wait a minute.
[16:57] <deniz_ogut> i wiml supply you with the info how you have the cd.
[16:59] <deniz_ogut> @suRs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[17:00] <deniz_ogut> @suRs: is it what you need?
[17:01] <deniz_ogut> @suRs: I mean: first you have an installCD at had and you can install ubuntu with that CD.
[17:02] <deniz_ogut> so you have to create this as an ISO CD image.
[17:21] <slaine_> Hey guys, just installed Xubuntu (Hardy) on an old Vaio laptop I have. Performs really well. However, I'm having a cosmetic issue with Terminal, for some reason, the window decorations aren't rendering properly. All other windows seem to render correctly
[17:22] <slaine_> anyone any suggestions ?
[17:30] <suRs> im back now
[17:31] <suRs> sorry if i took  a while :D
[17:33] <suRs> i dont have any cd to burn on :S
[17:36] <suRs> deniz
[17:36] <zoredache> suRs: he left
[17:36] <suRs> are you saying there is somting wrong with my xubuntu couse i isntalled if from windows?
[17:38] <suRs> im sick of trying to fix my linux on my computer im not doing any progress at all
[17:38] <suRs> :/
[17:38] <zoredache> there is nothing wrong with it, but linux would be a bit faster if you created a new partition and installed from the cd...
[17:39] <suRs> well
[17:39] <zoredache> suRs: you are going to need to be more specific... 'not doing any progress' doesn't mean anything to me
[17:39] <suRs> first i would like to know how to use it before i do so
[17:41] <suRs> and i dont know if that willl work on my laptop
[17:41] <suRs> i dont have ati or nvidia card
[17:44] <suRs> how do i install themes on my xubuntu ? :D
[17:46] <Odd-rationale> !xfce-themes | suRs
[17:47] <suRs> how do i unpack stuff ?  and install
[17:47] <Odd-rationale> suRs: use xarchiver
[17:49] <suRs> okej thanks boys i will try to get somting nice =) and really good replay time!
[17:49] <suRs> question
[17:50] <suRs> when i look for themes  GTK 1.x and GTK 2.x and Xfce witch one shoild i look for?
[17:50] <Odd-rationale> xfce or gtk2
[17:51] <suRs> thanks!
[18:10] <suRs> how do i get a 3d desktop on my xubuntu?
[18:15] <Odd-rationale> suRs: you will need compiz and a good grphics card that suports compositing and stuff
[18:15] <suRs> meh
[18:15] <suRs> i have intel graphic card
[18:16] <suRs> i can playe 3d games on windows with it
[18:16] <Odd-rationale> can you run glxgears ?
[18:17] <suRs> whats that?
[18:17] <Odd-rationale> suRs: run glxgears from a terminal and see if it runs smoothly...
[18:18] <suRs> i hvae to install it
[18:18] <suRs> shall i install it?
[18:18] <Odd-rationale> suRs: yeah
[18:19] <suRs> yeah
[18:19] <suRs> it runs perfekt
[18:19] <suRs> for me
[18:19] <suRs> no laggs or anything
[18:19] <suRs> and i have like alot stuff  upp
[18:19] <Odd-rationale> suRs: ok. then compiz may work for you...
[18:20] <suRs> yeah
[18:20] <suRs> but when i did a compiz check before
[18:20] <suRs> i got 3 fails
[18:20] <suRs> and i dont know why
[18:20] <suRs> omg
[18:20] <suRs> i dont now
[18:20] <suRs> i good all green
[18:20] <suRs> it says [ok] on all
[18:21] <suRs> rationale i love you thanks ! :D
[18:21] <suRs> brb
[18:22] <Odd-rationale> :?
[18:25] <suRs> back
[18:25] <suRs> rationale were can i find a guide to install compiz?
[18:26] <Odd-rationale> suRs: it is very easy. just do "sudo apt-get install compiz compizconfig-settings-manager"
[18:28] <suRs> thanks :D
[18:28] <suRs> your pro at linux?
[18:28] <Odd-rationale> ...
[18:29] <Odd-rationale> i like to think i am... :?
[18:29] <suRs> hehe well i just started like 1 week ago
[18:29] <suRs> but i havnt improved anything
[18:29] <suRs> anyway i downloade the stuff what should i do now?
[18:29] <Odd-rationale> suRs: is it installed?
[18:29] <suRs> i have no idea how do i know?
[18:30] <Odd-rationale> well, if you ran the command i gave you, it should download and install those packages...
[18:30] <suRs> well
[18:30] <suRs> i did do that command and alot of stuff happend
[18:30] <suRs> do i have to active it or restart somting?
[18:30] <Odd-rationale> try going to applications --> settings --> advance desktop effects
[18:31] <suRs> okej im in at desktop effects
[18:31] <Odd-rationale> in gerneral options, go to the desktop size tab
[18:31] <Odd-rationale> then set hor. = 4, ver. = 1, and no. of desktops = 1
[18:32] <suRs> done
[18:32] <Odd-rationale> back in the main screen, enable these plugins: desktop cube, rotate cube
[18:32] <Odd-rationale> wobbly windows
[18:33] <suRs> effectsp
[18:33] <suRs> i can see alot of 3d stuff and so on icons
[18:33] <Odd-rationale> cube caps
[18:34] <suRs> i have cube reflection
[18:34] <suRs> and 3d windows
[18:34] <Odd-rationale> i think those will be good enough for now.
[18:34] <suRs> and alot of other stuff
[18:34] <Odd-rationale> you can play with the others later.
[18:34] <Odd-rationale> just make sure you have the ones i mentioned above ^
[18:34] <suRs> should i disabel desktop wall?
[18:34] <Odd-rationale> suRs: yes
[18:35] <suRs> witch one
[18:35] <suRs> did you mentioned?
[18:35] <suRs> i didnt se
[18:35] <Odd-rationale> desktop cube, rotate cube, wobbly windows, cube caps
[18:36] <Odd-rationale> suRs: got those?
[18:36] <suRs> wait
[18:36] <suRs> im looking for them
[18:37] <y4ndexx> Will Compiz work on GeForce 2?
[18:38] <suRs> i have dsk cube rot cube wobbly  and i  have cube gears  cube reflection  3d windows  trailfocus fading windows
[18:38] <Odd-rationale> y4ndexx: probably...
[18:39] <Odd-rationale> suRs: oh, go back to general options. and in the opacity tab, change the opcatiy during rotation to somthin like 40 %
[18:40] <suRs> im in general now were can i find opacity?
[18:40] <Odd-rationale> or maybe it is called the appearence tab, i don't remember...
[18:40] <suRs> ah
[18:40] <suRs> i see it
[18:40] <suRs> opacity settings
[18:40] <Odd-rationale> but there should be an option for opcatiy during rotation
[18:41] <suRs> i cant se that
[18:41] <suRs> only opactiy step
[18:41] <Odd-rationale> suRs: then that is the wrong tab...\
[18:41] <suRs> hm
[18:42] <Odd-rationale> wait. actually, i think it is in the desktop cube settings... sorry
[18:42] <Odd-rationale> suRs: click on the desktop cube plugin...
[18:42] <suRs> yeah
[18:42] <suRs> found it
[18:42] <suRs> its at 100.0000 atm
[18:42] <suRs> should i go down to 40?
[18:42] <Odd-rationale> set it to like between 40 -60
[18:42] <Odd-rationale> hey brb.
[18:43] <Odd-rationale> real quick..
[18:43] <suRs> done
[18:43] <suRs> 54.2079
[18:44] <suRs> now what? :D
[18:45] <Odd-rationale> ok back
[18:46] <Odd-rationale> close the advance settings and lets see if it works
[18:46] <Odd-rationale> ready?
[18:46] <suRs> yeah
[18:46] <suRs> how do i do?
[18:46] <Odd-rationale> do alt+f2
[18:46] <suRs> yeah done
[18:47] <Odd-rationale> and type in "compiz --replace" without the quotes and press enter
[18:47] <suRs> okej done
[18:47] <Odd-rationale> try rotateing the cube with ctrl+alt+left/right
[18:48] <Odd-rationale> or better yet. ctrl+alt+leftmouse_button_press_and_hold_and_move_mouse_around
[18:49] <suRs> okej somting just happend
[18:49] <suRs> my linux just turned down
[18:49] <Odd-rationale> what happened?
[18:49] <suRs> maybe
[18:49] <suRs> its the rotate?
[18:50] <suRs> couse everything els works
[18:50] <suRs> omg!
[18:50] <suRs> it worked when i turned
[18:50] <suRs> the thing over
[18:50] <Odd-rationale> try  ctrl+alt+leftmouse_button_press_and_hold_and_move_mouse_around
[18:51] <Odd-rationale> uh,oh...
[18:51] <suRs> well
[18:51] <suRs> my computer shouts down
[18:51] <suRs> or it comes some black text
[18:51] <suRs> and i have to logg in again
[18:52] <suRs> but i can turn the window
[18:52] <Odd-rationale> suRs: i guess, your computer doesn't like compiz...
[18:52] <suRs> by  klicking on my bar .. down you know
[18:52] <suRs> maybe
[18:52] <suRs> its the rotate thingy?
[18:53] <Odd-rationale> to turn off compiz, do alt+f2 and type in "xfwm4 --replace"
[18:53] <suRs> done
[18:54] <suRs> well
[18:54] <suRs> it didnt work i still have compiz on i think
[18:54] <Odd-rationale> suRs: what didn't work? xfwm4 --replace ?
[18:54] <suRs> yea
[18:55] <Odd-rationale> you mean you still have compiz running?
[18:55] <suRs> yeah
[18:55] <Odd-rationale> suRs: what version of xubuntu you running?
[18:55] <suRs> the newest one
[18:55] <Odd-rationale> 8.04?
[18:55] <suRs> hm
[18:55] <suRs> i uppdated
[18:56] <Odd-rationale> lsb_release -a
[18:56] <Odd-rationale> for version ifo
[18:56] <suRs> yeah
[18:56] <suRs> 8.04 hardy ubuntu
[18:57] <Odd-rationale> suRs: try "xfwm4 --replace" again
[18:58] <suRs> nothing happend
[18:58] <suRs> hmm
[18:59] <suRs> odd you said  cube caps should be on right?
[18:59] <Odd-rationale> yeah... makes it look better..
[18:59] <suRs> i didnt have it on
[18:59] <Odd-rationale> should make it crash though...
[19:00] <suRs> aaa
[19:00] <Odd-rationale> suRs: you can get more expert help in the #compiz channel
[19:00] <suRs> it works now
[19:00] <suRs> to rotate it
[19:00] <suRs> it works
[19:00] <Odd-rationale> i need to go eat lunch...
[19:00] <suRs> when will you be back?
[19:00] <Odd-rationale> sorry, i could help more...
[19:00] <Odd-rationale> couln't
[19:01] <suRs> but when will you be back then?
[19:01] <Odd-rationale> i'll be back when i'm done...
[19:01] <Odd-rationale> depends how hungry i am...
[19:01] <Odd-rationale> but there are plenty of more knowledgeable people around. here and in the #compiz channel...
[19:01] <suRs> alright ill wait for you i got more questions :p
[19:12] <suRs> anyone here?
[19:15] <cody-somerville> yup
[19:24] <suRs> hmm
[19:25] <Odd-rationale> i'm back...
[19:25] <Odd-rationale> hello, cody-somerville :)
[19:25] <cody-somerville> :)
[19:25] <cody-somerville> \o_
[19:25] <suRs> ahha :p okej odd
[19:26] <Odd-rationale> cody-somerville: i usually answer that question in the negative... ;)
[19:26] <Odd-rationale> suRs: wasup?
[19:26] <suRs> well
[19:26] <suRs> iv been mixing and
[19:26] <suRs> when i start the 3d Windows
[19:27] <suRs> and have compiz on thats why crashes my linux
[19:27] <Odd-rationale> hmm. well, 3d windows was part of the unstbale plugins not too long ago. i guess it still has some bugs...
[19:28] <Odd-rationale> suRs: so if you disable 3d windows, does everything else work? rotation, opacity, ect?
[19:28] <suRs> yeah
[19:28] <suRs> everything
[19:29] <suRs> works fine
[19:29] <suRs> i think its some settings
[19:29] <suRs> in 3d that crashes my linux
[19:29] <suRs> so i have to find the right onces.. but i know the 3d work so thats not the problem
[19:29] <Odd-rationale> and if you log off, restart X, and log back in, is compiz still running? or do you have to start it again with alt+f2 "compiz --replace" ?
[19:30] <suRs> i have to start it
[19:30] <suRs> with alt f2 allways when i logg off
[19:30] <Odd-rationale> suRs: well do you prefer it that way? or would you like to have it autostart?
[19:32] <suRs> i would like to ahve it on start
[19:32] <suRs> so i dont have to press alt alt f2 allways :p
[19:32] <suRs> might be annyoing
[19:33] <Odd-rationale> suRs: go to Applications --> settings --> autostarted applications
[19:33] <Odd-rationale> click add
[19:34] <Odd-rationale> for Name: Compiz Fusion, Descrption: Desktop Effects, Command: compiz --replace
[19:34] <suRs> ice
[19:34] <suRs> nice
[19:34] <suRs> done
[19:34] <Odd-rationale> suRs: then try logging out and back in...
[19:35] <suRs> okej brb
[19:56] <suRs> hay opp
[19:57] <Odd-rationale> me?
[19:57] <suRs> yeah
[19:57] <suRs> sorry sotming is worng
[19:57] <suRs> i coulnt restart my xubuntu
[19:57] <Odd-rationale> :?
[19:57] <suRs> well i got lucky i started it on safe mode
[19:57] <suRs> and i luckly took off the compiz on restart
[19:57] <suRs> but now i cant drag anything
[19:58] <suRs> and everything got stuck into the screen lol
[19:58] <suRs> and when i restart xubuntu all the programs start up. at the beggning
[19:58] <Odd-rationale> hmm...
[19:58] <suRs> its like this i start a screen
[19:58] <suRs> and its stuck there
[19:59] <suRs> for expample i cant move my irc screen
[19:59] <Odd-rationale> suRs: did you try to reboot?
[19:59] <suRs> yeah alot of times
[19:59] <suRs> i cant see my down bar
[19:59] <suRs> its like my screen has frozen
[20:00] <Odd-rationale> suRs: try ctrl+alt+bksp to restart the X server. NOTE you will lose all unsaved data...
[20:00] <suRs> and i cant drag them
[20:01] <suRs> samme thing dosnt work
[20:01] <Odd-rationale> suRs: do you have compiz running?
[20:01] <suRs> no
[20:01] <suRs> its off
[20:01] <suRs> probbly
[20:01] <Odd-rationale> suRs: what exaclty is not working?
[20:02] <suRs> my op its not working probber
[20:02] <suRs> and when i did alt f2 and compiz replace my computer restarted
[20:02] <suRs> or the loggin screen
[20:05] <Odd-rationale> suRs: well if compiz is off, i don't know what could be the issue...
[20:05] <suRs> well i dont know ither so iw ill try to restart it again
[20:05] <suRs> and see if it works or i might just ahve to reinstall my linux again
[20:05] <suRs> its like i cant move any of my screens
[20:05] <suRs> like thay are frozen
[20:05] <Odd-rationale> suRs: try rebooting your machine...
[20:08] <suRs> no didnt work still samme problem
[20:08] <Odd-rationale> suRs: i don't quite get the problem,,,
[20:09] <suRs> The poblem is
[20:09] <Odd-rationale> you have no window borders?
[20:09] <suRs> well i have the top one
[20:10] <suRs> i wish i could take screen shot and send you
[20:10] <suRs> okej i will try to explain i have 1 window open
[20:10] <suRs> and i cant move it
[20:10] <Odd-rationale> suRs: i mean you dont have the minimize, maximize, close button around every window?
[20:10] <suRs> then if i take another winodw  for example that comes over the other window
[20:10] <suRs> i cant move it
[20:10] <suRs> the windows are frozen
[20:10] <suRs> yeah
[20:10] <Odd-rationale> suRs: can you alt+left_click on the window and move it?
[20:11] <suRs> no
[20:11] <suRs> i cant
[20:11] <Odd-rationale> suRs: try alt+f2 "xfwm4 --replace"
[20:11] <suRs> wow
[20:11] <suRs> it worked
[20:11] <suRs> nice
[20:12] <suRs> it works perfekt now
[20:12] <Odd-rationale> but now compiz is off.
[20:12] <suRs> i can see and move everything now
[20:12] <suRs> yeah well i just have to active ate it
[20:12] <suRs> on alt f2 if i whant it everytime
[20:12] <Odd-rationale> check your applications --> settings --> auto-started applications. is compiz still on there...
[20:12] <suRs> no its not i took it off
[20:13] <suRs> while i had the time after i reboted
[20:13] <suRs> couse i had like 10 secound before i rebooted it my computer rebooted auto
[20:13] <Odd-rationale> suRs: well on solution is to use emerald
[20:13] <Odd-rationale> one
[20:14] <Odd-rationale> but, i'm not a big fan of emerald...
[20:14] <suRs> what is emerald?
[20:14] <Odd-rationale> it is a window decorator...
[20:14] <Odd-rationale> for compiz
[20:14] <suRs> hmm what does it do?
[20:14] <suRs> w
[20:15] <suRs> well sec i will try run compis for a sec
[20:15] <suRs> well it worked
[20:15] <suRs> and nothing crashed
[20:15] <Odd-rationale> it draws the the things around the windows for compiz
[20:16] <suRs> when i rebot my system why does all my programs allso reboot ?
[20:16] <Odd-rationale> because you kill X
[20:17] <Odd-rationale> and most of your programs are using X
[20:17] <suRs> okej.
[20:17] <suRs> so that emerald is good for me?
[20:17] <Odd-rationale> maybe...
[20:17] <suRs> couse compiz works fine right now ..
[20:17] <suRs> i just have to press alt f2 and start it
[20:17] <Odd-rationale> if things are working fine now... i hate to mess it up again...
[20:18] <suRs> well
[20:19] <suRs> should we try or we never  know :p
[20:19] <Odd-rationale> ok. well then "sudo apt-get install emerald"
[20:19] <suRs> if i mess up
[20:19] <suRs> what happens then?
[20:19] <Odd-rationale> suRs: you will have to reinstall xubuntu...
[20:19] <Odd-rationale> j/k
[20:20] <suRs> haha
[20:20] <suRs> well its finish
[20:21] <Odd-rationale> open the advance desktop effects again.
[20:21] <suRs> alright
[20:21] <Odd-rationale> find the window decoration plugin... enable it. click on it and for command, put emerald
[20:22] <Odd-rationale> close the advance desktop effects. stop compiz with alt+f2 "xfwm4 --replace"
[20:22] <Odd-rationale> and restart compiz with alt+f2 "compiz --replace"
[20:23] <suRs> trying to find the emerald
[20:23] <suRs> were can i find window decoration plugin?
[20:23] <Odd-rationale> suRs: in the advance desktop effects settings
[20:23] <Odd-rationale> suRs: there should be a search feature in the lefft column
[20:24] <suRs> a found it
[20:24] <suRs> Window decorations
[20:24] <suRs> /usr/bin/compiz-decorator
[20:24] <suRs> on my command
[20:24] <suRs> should i put emerald?
[20:24] <Odd-rationale> suRs: change it to emerald
[20:25] <suRs> done
[20:25] <Odd-rationale> ok. stop compiz and start it up again.
[20:25] <suRs> well
[20:25] <suRs> when i run the xfwm4 nothing happends
[20:25] <suRs> but i will try run compiz again couse all my screen restart kinda
[20:26] <suRs> done
[20:26] <Odd-rationale> well, how are things?
[20:26] <suRs> well
[20:26] <suRs> like before
[20:26] <suRs> i cant see any diffrence
[20:26] <Odd-rationale> can you move winodows?
[20:26] <suRs> yeah
[20:27] <Odd-rationale> are the windows borders red?
[20:27] <suRs> no
[20:27] <suRs> thay are silver
[20:27] <Odd-rationale> hmm. ok...
[20:27] <suRs> my colour has allways ben silver
[20:27] <Odd-rationale> try to put compiz back in the autostart and log off and back in
[20:28] <suRs> noo
[20:28] <suRs> if i do that i dont know how to come back
[20:28] <suRs> couse i just got lucky
[20:29] <suRs> to get in back and fix it
[20:29] <suRs> it restarted everytime
[20:29] <suRs> my screen loaded
[20:29] <suRs> after i logged in
[20:29] <suRs> i had like 5-10 secounds on me to fix it
[20:29] <suRs> i wrote in user name and password
[20:29] <suRs> the screen loads i see irc start and my top bar is comming right after
[20:30] <suRs> then some fire fox window openes and then bam all goes black and restart to login screen
[20:30] <Odd-rationale> hmm. ok nvm
[20:31] <suRs> yeah
[20:32] <suRs> im scared to try that :p
[20:32] <suRs> so i just might start it everytime i loggin :p
[20:32] <suRs> heh
[20:35] <suRs> well
[20:35] <suRs> im going to try reboot
[20:35] <suRs> again to see if it works now
[20:36] <suRs> well it worked to boot but still my irc window pops upp direct1
[20:38] <suRs> hmm i had the samme problem when i logged in that my screen was stuck so u used that xfwm4 --replace
[20:38] <suRs> and it worked
[20:38] <suRs> but when i tryed to start compiz i got back to loading screen
[20:38] <suRs> now compiz is activated
[20:39] <suRs> its wierd .. its like i cant switch betewwn compis and xfwm4 ..
[20:40] <suRs> now my bars are red.
[20:43] <suRs> there?
[20:44] <Odd-rationale> yeah, that's emerald...
[20:46] <suRs> odd
[20:46] <Odd-rationale> suRs: yeah?
[20:46] <suRs> i think i know the problem soon
[20:46] <suRs> lissen ..
[20:47] <suRs> when i try to switch from compiz to fxwm4 it dosnt work
[20:47] <suRs> and when my linux crashes it starts with some wierd config so i have to turn on fxwm4 then it works
[20:47] <suRs> and after that i can turn on compiz again
[20:48] <suRs> but i still dont know why my 3d window dosnt work
[20:49] <Odd-rationale> compiz is still very buggy...
[20:49] <Odd-rationale> i don't even use it anymore...
[20:49] <Odd-rationale> compiz works best with gnome...
[20:50] <suRs> why wont you use it ?
[20:50] <Odd-rationale> suRs: it eats up all my ram..
[20:50] <suRs> how much ram do you have?
[20:50] <Odd-rationale> 2 gb
[20:51] <Odd-rationale> btw, if you don't like the defualt emerald themes, you can more here: http://xfce-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=102&PHPSESSID=29b659cd74ab20e74b0c05547cb88edc
[20:51] <suRs> im only using 1 gig ram and im using 300 atm
[20:51] <Odd-rationale> just open the .emerald file with the emerald theme manager...
[20:51] <Odd-rationale> after you download it that is...
[20:53] <suRs> alright
[20:53] <suRs> you know how to install other themes for backround?
[20:53] <suRs> i have downloaded one but i dont know how to install it
[20:53] <jonkristian> Is it normal that an update process takes over two hours after a clean install from 8.04 ?
[20:54] <jonkristian> It's getting very embarassing, though, it's a old and slow toshiba satelite, but still, it's embarassing
[20:55] <suRs> wow
[20:55] <suRs> 2 hrs only took  me like 20 minuts :p
[20:56] <Odd-rationale> jonkristian: you could reinstall twice in that amount of time... ;)
[20:56] <Odd-rationale> suRs: you can configure the background the same as in xfce....
[20:56] <Odd-rationale> right-click background, desktop settings, etc...
[20:56] <suRs> but iv downloaded a map
[20:57] <suRs> some  Aquatic_black_theme.tar.gz
[20:57] <Odd-rationale> suRs: you will have to extract the tarball.
[20:58] <suRs> how do i exakly do that
[20:59] <suRs> Themes for Xfce4 are simply GTK2+
[20:59] <suRs>  themes which means Gnome themes are also compatible
[20:59] <suRs>  with your xfce4 desktop.
[20:59] <suRs> To install themes, unpack it in ~/.themes/
[20:59] <suRs>  To install icons, unpack them to ~/.icons/ -
[20:59] <suRs>  Visit http://www.xfce-look.org/
[20:59] <suRs>  for all kinds of eyecandy for your Xfce4 desktop!
[20:59] <suRs>  - See also !themes for other GNOME theme sites
[20:59] <Odd-rationale> right-click and say extract
[20:59] <suRs> this is what i saved last time i got an advice.
[21:00] <jonkristian> Odd-rationale: I don't belive you
[21:01] <Odd-rationale> jonkristian: well, i have. literally...
[21:01] <jonkristian> Odd-rationale: well, it's a AMD K6 with 130mb ram, so i might
[21:01] <jonkristian> But still, it's way beyond my imagination that it could take so loong
[21:01] <Odd-rationale> you should just use DSL or puppy
[21:02] <suRs> odd you said extract were should i extract it to?
[21:02] <Odd-rationale> suRs: whever you want for now. you can always move it later.
[21:03] <suRs> wel okej desktop
[21:03] <suRs> then ? :D
[21:03] <Odd-rationale> ok
[21:03] <suRs> i got the map on my desktop
[21:04] <Odd-rationale> right-click the desktop, and go to desktop settings. you can configure the background there. just point it to the file you your desktop
[21:04] <jonkristian> Odd-rationale: I see, maybe i should try one of those then
[21:04] <Odd-rationale> jonkristian: i think i vaguely remember you...
[21:05] <jonkristian> Odd-rationale: your nick is kind of familiar
[21:05] <suRs> well
[21:05] <jonkristian> Odd-rationale: im using archlinux myself, but i got an old laptop here, and i was wanting to try out another distro
[21:05] <Odd-rationale> jonkristian: didn't you have some secret project going on with this dude doing some file hosting and conversion website?
[21:05] <suRs> its not justa  backround odd its alot of other maps in it
[21:05] <suRs> icon theme
[21:06] <Odd-rationale> jonkristian: cool, i'm an arch user myself...
[21:06] <jonkristian> Odd-rationale: ah:)
[21:06] <suRs> nvm odd i found a install  to read ..
[21:06] <suRs> im going to try
[21:06] <Odd-rationale> suRs: ok :)
[21:07] <jonkristian> I'll go for puppy linux i think, it looks more interesting than DSL
[21:07] <Odd-rationale> jonkristian: definitly. puppy > dsl
[21:07] <suRs> odd were is my theme settings?
[21:07] <suRs> you know that i dont know were it is :D
[21:07] <Odd-rationale> check applications --> settings --> setting mananger...
[21:08] <suRs> hm witch
[21:08] <suRs> one is it?
[21:08] <suRs> splash screen?
[21:09] <Odd-rationale> suRs: what are you trying to install?
[21:09] <suRs> a theme :p
[21:09] <suRs> a whole theme for my linux
[21:09] <Odd-rationale> what kind of themes? can i see the link where you got it?
[21:09] <suRs> yea
[21:09] <suRs> wait
[21:11] <suRs> http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Aquatic+Black?content=80000
[21:11] <suRs> the red stuff look awsome in the screen i whant that to :p
[21:12] <Odd-rationale> oh, no...
[21:13] <suRs> hahaha
[21:13] <suRs> what now? :p
[21:13] <Odd-rationale> suRs: did you see the "how to install" file ?
[21:14] <suRs> yeah
[21:14] <suRs> well
[21:14] <suRs> sended you on privat now how to insall  xd
[21:15] <Odd-rationale> yeah, that file
[21:15] <Odd-rationale> did that work?
[21:15] <jonkristian> Odd-rationale: file hosting/conversion? Don't think so
[21:15] <suRs> well what you mean did that work?
[21:15] <suRs> i havnt tryed  it
[21:15] <jonkristian> But it think i hate file hosting sites, they're damn slow:D
[21:16] <Odd-rationale> suRs: well follow those directions...
[21:16] <Odd-rationale> jonkristian: ok. must have been a different guy...
[21:17] <suRs> LEIFGR
[21:17] <Odd-rationale> ?
[21:17] <suRs> SORRY
[21:19] <suRs> were is  home?
[21:20] <suRs> ok nvm
[21:20] <Odd-rationale> suRs: home is ~ or /home/<yourusername>
[21:20] <suRs> aaa
[21:20] <suRs> how do i move the map theme and icon to home?
[21:21] <Odd-rationale> suRs: copy, paste
[21:22] <suRs> i cant copy the whole map?
[21:22] <Odd-rationale> suRs: sorry, what do you mean by "map"? folder?
[21:22] <suRs> yeah folder
[21:23] <suRs> cosue i have to move theme and icon to home folder.
[21:23] <suRs> file:///home/suey/Desktop/Aquatic%20Black/Themes
[21:23] <suRs> wrong
[21:23] <Odd-rationale> suRs: yes. coopy the Icons and Theme folder. and paste them in /home/<youusername>
[21:26] <suRs> i cant
[21:26] <Odd-rationale> suRs: why not?
[21:27] <suRs> couse it wont let me copy the folder :S
[21:27] <suRs> tell me how should i do exakly couse i did this
[21:28] <suRs> i frist extraced the map from the  tar.gz file to my desktop and in this folder there is icon and theme i try to copy them and pase them in Home witch i use  file system file manager with
[21:30] <Odd-rationale> suRs: sounds right to me... do you get any error messages?
[21:31] <suRs> no
[21:32] <Odd-rationale> try "cp -r /home/suey/Desktop/Aquatic\ Black/Themes/ ~/.themes"
[21:32] <Odd-rationale> i mean this "cp -r ~/Desktop/Aquatic\ Black/Themes/ ~/.themes"
[21:34] <suRs> in terminal?
[21:34] <Odd-rationale> then do  "cp -r ~/Desktop/Aquatic\ Black/Icons/ ~/.icons"
[21:34] <Odd-rationale> yes in terminal
[21:35] <suRs> cp -r ~/Desktop/Aquatic\ Black/Themes/ ~/.themes ?
[21:35] <suRs> right?
[21:35] <Odd-rationale> yeah
[21:35] <suRs> well
[21:35] <suRs> nothing append
[21:35] <suRs> happend
[21:36] <Odd-rationale> suRs: good
[21:36] <Odd-rationale> now try "cp -r ~/Desktop/Aquatic\ Black/Icons/ ~/.icons"
[21:36] <suRs> nothing happend
[21:36] <Odd-rationale> ok fine.
[21:36] <Odd-rationale> now do "cd"
[21:37] <zoredache> suRs: on the linux command line no response means the command completed successfully.  You will only see something if there is an error
[21:37] <Odd-rationale> then do "ls -a"
[21:37] <Odd-rationale> do you see .themes and .icons folders?
[21:37] <suRs> yeah
[21:38] <suRs> i see theme and icons
[21:38] <Odd-rationale> suRs: good. is there a . before them? like .themes?
[21:38] <suRs> yeah'
[21:39] <Odd-rationale> suRs: ok. well then you have succsessfully done step one and two. move on to step 1 for XFCE
[21:40] <suRs> what should  i do?
[21:40] <Odd-rationale> suRs: read that "how to install" file. it has the directions there...
[21:41] <suRs> i need pingin
[21:41] <Odd-rationale> you should have pidgin in applications --> internet --> pidgin
[21:41] <suRs> cool found it
[21:43] <Odd-rationale> anyways, i gtg
[21:43] <Odd-rationale> ttyl
[21:45] <suRs> thanks alot odd
[21:45] <suRs> for all the help!
[21:45] <suRs> i see you later!
[22:09] <Yoshimitsu> hello...can i get help here?
[22:11] <TheSheep> Yoshimitsu: you need to ask your question first
[22:11] <Myrtti> /me puts her crystal ball away
[22:12] <Yoshimitsu> I am fairly new to linux. I am learning basic commands, working around the gui. I want to know if there is a way to add desktop icons for apps in xubuntu hardy
[22:12] <TheSheep> Yoshimitsu: yes, right click on the desktop and select 'create launcher'
[22:13] <TheSheep> Yoshimitsu: you can also copy the launchers from /usr/share/applications -- those are the ones that make up the menu
[22:16] <Yoshimitsu> thank you....even though right clicking the desktop brings up the apps menu, It worked for the second option
[22:19] <TheSheep> Yoshimitsu: ah, then you need to click on some existing icon
[22:20] <TheSheep> Yoshimitsu: there is an option controlling that in desktop settings, it defaults to not display the apps menu
[22:20] <Yoshimitsu> oh...got it
[22:21] <Yoshimitsu> linux is beautiful
[22:22] <TheSheep> Yoshimitsu: glad you like it
[22:23] <Yoshimitsu> is there any way to autostart a particular application on startup? pidgin for example
[22:25] <suRs> i think there is
[22:26] <suRs> you can make it your own probbly
[22:26] <Yoshimitsu> I cannot seem to find anything in preferences..i hunted a lot last night
[22:27] <suRs> settings management
[22:27] <Yoshimitsu> i'm sorry to bother u guys like this
[22:27] <suRs> i think
[22:27] <cody-somerville> Yoshimitsu, if you enable session management, whatever applications are running when you quit will restart
[22:27] <suRs> applications - > settings -> settings manager
[22:28] <suRs> then should be an incon there that named is autostarted apps
[22:28] <cody-somerville> Or you can go Applications > Settings > Autostarted Apps
[22:28] <cody-somerville> Oh, right right
[22:28] <suRs> then you klick like add i think and rest i dont know :p
[22:29] <suRs> cody
[22:29] <suRs> your good on linux?
[22:29] <cody-somerville> I'm not bad
[22:29] <suRs> well
[22:29] <suRs> can you tell me what kinda theme should i use for my linux i use xubuntu 8.04
[22:33] <TheSheep> the default is nice ;)
[22:34] <suRs> well i whant somting nice
[22:36] <cody-somerville> I like the default myself
[22:38] <Myrtti> murrina rose
[22:39] <TheSheep> murrina gilouche duo
[22:39] <TheSheep> and the gilouche window theme
[22:41] <suRs> how do i get xmms?
[22:43] <cody-somerville> xmms is no longer in the repository
[22:43] <Myrtti> install audacious instead
[22:43] <Myrtti> it looks the same
[22:45] <suRs> how do i install it myrtti?
[22:46] <suRs> sudo get insatll audacious?
[22:46] <Myrtti> sudo aptitude install audacious
[22:46] <suRs> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[22:46] <suRs> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[22:47] <TheSheep> Myrtti: we try to not use aptitude, as it has part of the package infor databse separate from synaptic
[22:47] <TheSheep> suRs: you forgot sudo, use apt-getinstead of aptitude or just use synaptic
[22:48] <TheSheep> s/infor/info
[22:48] <suRs> thanks
[22:49] <Myrtti> TheSheep: oh well, just when I've learned to use aptitude instead of apt-get
[22:49] <Myrtti> :-<
[22:50] <TheSheep> Myrtti: there are tools for synchronizing it, but that's additional explaining
[22:50] <TheSheep> Myrtti: use aptitude your self if you want :)
[22:51] <suRs> hehe
[22:51] <suRs> apt-get its fater
[22:51] <suRs> faster to write
[22:54] <suRs> hm
[22:54] <suRs> i wonder why i cant open firefox
[22:55] <suRs> http://di-fm
[22:56] <suRs> going to restart my comp
[23:02] <suRs> i need help
[23:02] <cody-somerville> suRs, ask your question :P
[23:02] <suRs> i cant see my bars
[23:02] <suRs> my settings bars..
[23:03] <suRs> my desktop
[23:03] <suRs> all i can see its my icons
[23:03] <cody-somerville> press alt+f2
[23:03] <suRs> but not the top and below bar
[23:03] <cody-somerville> type: xfce4-panel
[23:03] <cody-somerville> and hit okay
[23:04] <suRs> on terminal? or alt f2
[23:04] <cody-somerville> alt + f2
[23:04] <suRs> alright thay are back now
[23:04] <suRs> thanks
[23:04] <suRs> dunno what happend
[23:05] <suRs> i had all my settings on right klick mouse
[23:05] <suRs> so i could enter applications and so :D
[23:05] <db-keen> Trying to install Xubuntu 8.04 from LiveCD on old (1999) computer, disk integrity check passes, memory check passes, but during install it shows the xubuntu loading screen, and the status bar gets all the way to completion, and then nothing further is shown on the screen. Any tips?
[23:06] <db-keen> Ubuntu feisty was once installed on it
[23:06] <db-keen> so I'm pretty sure it should meet the hardware requirements
[23:12] <Odd-rationale> db-keen: how much memory do you have?
[23:13] <Odd-rationale> db-keen: the alternative cd usually installs more smoothly, even if you do meet the requirements...
[23:13] <Odd-rationale> so i would reccommend trying that.
[23:14] <db-keen> Odd-rationale: thanks, I'll try that.
[23:18] <suRs> odd
[23:18] <suRs> didnt you go to sleep?
[23:21] <Odd-rationale> suRs: not yet...
[23:22] <suRs> hah but you told me :p you would go to sleep
[23:22] <Odd-rationale> suRs: i did :?
[23:22] <suRs> yeah you did
[23:22] <vanityvertigo> Hi, I'm trying to connect to my wireless router in Xubuntu 8.04. I tried using the connection manager in the panel but that didn't show any wireless routers in my area. I went on to the terminal method. I noticed my card was in "lshw -C network" but disabled so I tried "sudo ifconfig wlan0 up" and instead I get SIOCSIFFLAGS: Invalid argument. I'm using a US Robotics 802.11b card and the driver is hostap.
[23:26] <suRs> odd
[23:26] <suRs> i gave upp that theme i were about to install was to hard
[23:26] <suRs> you told me to look for xfce themes?
[23:26] <suRs> are thay easier to install on xubuntu?
[23:32] <Yoshimitsu> anyone have tips for compiz
[23:32] <Yoshimitsu> in xubuntu
[23:32] <suRs> i do! :D
[23:32] <suRs> what kinda tip?
[23:32] <Yoshimitsu> is itgood
[23:32] <Yoshimitsu> or just a hardware hog
[23:32] <suRs> bug?
[23:32] <Yoshimitsu> i mean
[23:33] <Yoshimitsu> does it make ur pc slow down
[23:33] <Yoshimitsu> ?
[23:33] <suRs> well odd said it takes alot of ram
[23:33] <Yoshimitsu> :(
[23:33] <suRs> but my computer is strong i cant feel any diffrence and i only have 1 gig ram
[23:33] <vanityvertigo> Yeah, it adds fancy effects in x
[23:33] <vanityvertigo> Like wobbly windows or whatever you configure it too
[23:34] <suRs> i use 400 of 1000 ram
[23:34] <vanityvertigo> Not a good idea to use it if you're system is low on RAM
[23:34] <suRs> and i got like 1313131 programs running xD
[23:34] <Yoshimitsu> i'm running virtualbox too so thatd be S L O W
[23:34] <Yoshimitsu> 320 megs sdram only
[23:34] <suRs> oh
[23:34] <suRs> mine are ddr2 667 mhz
[23:34] <Yoshimitsu> yeh
[23:34] <suRs> im on a core  duo T7700 somting
[23:35] <Yoshimitsu> wher do i get the plugins
[23:35] <Yoshimitsu> ?
[23:35] <suRs> 2.0 mhz
[23:35] <Odd-rationale> Yoshimitsu: i wouldn't run compiz in a vritual machine...
[23:35] <Yoshimitsu> suRs: what are u doing on x then?
[23:35] <Yoshimitsu> i mean
[23:35] <suRs> what you mean?
[23:35] <suRs> on x?
[23:35] <Yoshimitsu> i m running winxp on a virtual machine
[23:35] <suRs> oh
[23:35] <suRs> yea well i got windows xp allso
[23:36] <suRs> on this laptop
[23:36] <Yoshimitsu> oh ok
[23:36] <Yoshimitsu> x=xfce :P
[23:36] <suRs> but to tell you linux ownes
[23:36] <Yoshimitsu> i know
[23:36] <suRs> its alot more funnier then xp
[23:36] <suRs> and i love it
[23:36] <Yoshimitsu> it's just that i need visual studio for college stuff
[23:36] <suRs> just a bit hard to config and a bits of bug but
[23:36] <suRs> hay  i dont see a blue screen xD
[23:36] <Yoshimitsu> :D
[23:37] <suRs> odd your there??
[23:39] <Odd-rationale> yes
[23:39] <suRs> were was it i could find themes for x?
[23:39] <suRs> that are nooot complicated to install
[23:39] <vanityvertigo> xfce you mean?
[23:39] <Odd-rationale> http://xfce-looks.org
[23:39] <Odd-rationale> opps
[23:39] <Odd-rationale> http://xfce-look.org
[23:40] <Odd-rationale> !xfce-themes
[23:41] <suRs> yeah
[23:41] <suRs> but i allredy did unpaack my team and icons right?
[23:41] <suRs> nvm i just delited the map
[23:43] <vanityvertigo> Does anyone have any idea for my question? Sorry, it's just fallen back a bit.
[23:44] <vanityvertigo> I hate sounding needy on when asking questions on IRC. >_<
[23:44] <Odd-rationale> vanityvertigo: is your card working?
[23:45] <vanityvertigo> It worked just fine when I was using my box as a Ubuntu 8.04 command line install
[23:45] <vanityvertigo> I just installed Xubuntu and it doesn't seem to work.
[23:45] <Odd-rationale> what card is it?
[23:46] <vanityvertigo> It's US Robotics USR2410
[23:46] <Odd-rationale> vanityvertigo: can you pastebin the output of "iwconfig"
[23:47] <vanityvertigo> I'm on a another computer
[23:47] <Odd-rationale> oh...
[23:47] <vanityvertigo> No ethernet on that one >_<
[23:47] <Odd-rationale> vanityvertigo: well, does iwconfig show the wireless device?
[23:47] <vanityvertigo> Yes
[23:48] <Odd-rationale> does "iwlist scanning" show your wireless etwork?
[23:48] <vanityvertigo> I only get "No scan results"
[23:48] <Odd-rationale> hmm..
[23:48] <vanityvertigo> When there should be 5 access points in my area
[23:49] <Odd-rationale> does networkmanager applet show any networks?
[23:49] <suRs> odd
[23:49] <vanityvertigo> No
[23:49] <Odd-rationale> suRs: what's up?
[23:49] <suRs> really odd i cant find any other theme that i whant then that aqua black :/
[23:50] <suRs> and its hard for me to install >.< couse i dont get it
[23:50] <vanityvertigo> I tried adding my network anyways but it just won't connect
[23:50] <Odd-rationale> suRs: well, just extract the .tar file and follow the directions on the "how to install" file...
[23:51] <suRs> hmm
[23:51] <suRs> should i frist extract the tar file to my desktop?
[23:51] <Odd-rationale> vanityvertigo: well, wireless problems are one of the hardest things to troubleshoot through irc... the best i can do now is forward you to this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=684495
[23:51] <vanityvertigo> Okay, thanks anyways. ^_^
[23:51] <Odd-rationale> suRs: that is fine.
[23:52] <suRs> diddnt we have to do some wierd file thing?
[23:52] <suRs> to make the .theme and .icone go to home?
[23:52] <vanityvertigo> Yeah, since this is just being screwy I might just go back to a command line install and add fluxbox or something
[23:53] <vanityvertigo> Yeah, in your home you need to extract the theme into .theme
[23:53] <vanityvertigo> You can press Ctrl-H if you're using thunar to see it
[23:53] <Odd-rationale> suRs: just copy and paste. select the Themes folder. navigate to your home directory and paste...
[23:54] <Odd-rationale> suRs: paste it in /home/<yourusername> not in /home
[23:55] <Odd-rationale> vanityvertigo: if you like configuring stuff from the cli, you might like arch linux like myself.. ;)
[23:55] <suRs> alright done
[23:55] <Odd-rationale> then rename it to .themes
[23:55] <suRs> alright
[23:55] <Odd-rationale> suRs: just follow the directions, it is all in there...
[23:56] <suRs> it says i should go into my theme settings
[23:56] <suRs> but i dont know were it is
[23:56] <suRs> Then go to your theme settings or whatever, the UI, WM and Icons are called Aqautic Black, the mouse theme plain black <- descriptions
[23:57] <CITguy08> Can anybody help me troubleshoot a xfce4-session segfault? After a power outage, I cannot get XFCE to load.
[23:57] <Odd-rationale> suRs: try looking in apllications --> settings --> settings manager
[23:58] <suRs> well i did that  dont witch i should look after
[23:59] <Odd-rationale> suRs: click on window-manager
[23:59] <suRs> i got an error


[02:39] <zul> quiet
[04:08] <lamont> but it was a tossup....
[04:30] <zul> spam spam spam...lovely spam..


[10:03] <Mithrandir> StevenK: care to take a look at 151321?  It should be simple enough.
[10:16] <StevenK> Mithrandir: There's a debdiff attached, I'll see that it applies and upload it.
[10:18] <Mithrandir> cheers.
[10:18] <Mithrandir> I haven't verified, but I assume you'll manage. :-)
[10:18] <StevenK> Well, I'm guessing NoDisplay=true is the right thing
[10:19] <Mithrandir> sounds right to me
[11:41] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Fix for 151321 uploaded.
[12:18] <Mithrandir> StevenK: yay you!
[13:43] <Mithrandir> StevenK: did you get a chance to test the mccaslin image?
[13:44] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Still downloading.
[13:45] <Mithrandir> oh, ok.
[13:45] <Mithrandir> any ETA?
[13:50] <Mithrandir> StevenK: ^^
[13:51] <StevenK> Mithrandir: 40 minutes, at which point I plan to be sleeping.
[13:52] <Mithrandir> ahkay.
[13:52] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: can you rsync the mccaslin image and try it on your Q1, please?
[13:52] <StevenK> I could spend a little while testing it if you want.
[13:52] <StevenK> Then I'll just tell my alarm clock to bugger off
[13:52] <Mithrandir> well, I'm not going to deny you sleep
[13:52] <Mithrandir> but if you want to work an hour when it's done and sleep in for an hour, I won't complain.
[14:44] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Anything in particular you want beaten on in this image?
[14:45] <Mithrandir> does network work, does apps work?
[14:45] <StevenK> Network just came up
[14:45] <StevenK> (When I selected it in the drop down)
[14:47] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: This one: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/moblin/mccaslin_samsungq1ultrafull/20080121.2/mccaslin_samsungq1ultrafull_install-usb.img ?
[14:48] <Mithrandir> yes, please.
[14:48] <agoliveira> Sure.
[14:49] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Right, network connects and works, and every app aside from Notepad looks to be good
[14:49] <StevenK> Notepad doesn't start -- I've not investigated why yet
[14:50] <StevenK> Right, Notepad doesn't start because the command 'notes' doesn't exist
[14:51] <Mithrandir> StevenK: great, thanks.
[14:52] <StevenK> Notepad used to work, I'm wondering what happened.
[14:52] <StevenK> And there is no brightness control, either
[14:54] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: I'm having the same problem I had with the latest imaqge I tried, the installer stalls with a message "checking device /dev/sd(x) for instalations source...." where (x) is a,b,c or d. I'll try another pendrive just in case.
[14:55] <StevenK> agoliveira: I just flashed my Q1U, it worked great for me
[14:56] <agoliveira> StevenK: 2 in 2 means something is wrong here.
[14:59] <amitk> agoliveira: is this on a Q1?
[14:59] <agoliveira> amitk: Yep.
[15:00] <agoliveira> Ah, works now. It's my older pendrive I was using for testing.
[15:01] <agoliveira> Installing...
[15:01] <agoliveira> Time to buy a new one it seems...
[15:03] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: tried both USB ports?
[15:04] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Yep. Older pendrive don't work... funny. It was really old anyway.
[15:08] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Looks good. Same issues you and StevenK told. Network is fine.
[15:08] <Mithrandir> ok, cool
[15:23] <bfiller> does anyone know if I can use dh_gconf to install schemas? I'm currently using it in conjunction with gconf-defaults to install default values, but I want to switch to use schemas.
[15:27] <agoliveira> Definitely, the old pendrive was the problem. Jon's image that wasn't working yesterday now installs fine. Time to pass it over to my wife :)
[15:27] <agoliveira> Sciri: Hi Sean. I believe you got my package over there :)
[15:28] <Sciri> agoliveira: Did we? Let me check...
[15:29] <agoliveira> Sciri: At least fedex says so...
[15:30] <Sciri> agoliveira: Got it...it was up near the front desk. :D
[15:30] <agoliveira> Sciri: Cool. Be my guest and enjoy ;)
[15:31] <Sciri> agoliveira: Ha! Thanks...I might have time to power it up and make sure it works. ;)
[15:32] <agoliveira> Sciri: Ok, I'll buy that one :)
[16:40] <davidm> HappyCamp, HappyCamp_ubuntu ping
[16:42] <davidm> rustyl, ping
[16:44] <davidm> sodarock_home, ping
[16:52] <agoliveira> daqv
[16:52] <agoliveira> Ooops
[16:59] <sodarock_home> davidm: ?
[17:00] <davidm> I sodarock_home can check your intel email?  Sean just sent you one for your Intel phone #
[17:00] <Sciri> sodarock_home: Right...I need a phone number for the proxybox shipment to Intel. :)
[17:00] <sodarock_home> k
[17:00] <davidm> sodarock_home, or your cell phone, it's for the caching server heading your way
[17:01] <sodarock_home> Sciri: did you get it?
[17:01] <Sciri> sodarock_home: Got it. :D
[17:01] <sodarock_home> Okay :)
[17:01] <sodarock_home> You better send it 3 day or something, so it gets here by Friday
[17:01] <sodarock_home> Or is that 2 day?
[17:02] <Sciri> sodarock_home: The server is coming your way as well as two switches in case of emergency. davidm is bringing APs.
[17:02] <Sciri> sodarock_home: Standard overnight.
[17:02] <sodarock_home> Sounds good, I will look for it.
[19:26] <GrueMaster> Mithrandir:  You in?
[21:58] <raji> asac_the_2nd: I can't build wpasupplicant 0.6.1~gitxxx from http://ppa.launchpad.net/asac/ubuntu/pool/main/w/wpasupplicant, Are there any special instructions to build such source code?


[04:32] <mup> Bug #1939180 changed: maas-proxy.conf should have an include line <feature> <field-medium> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1939180>
[04:35] <mup> Bug #1939180 opened: maas-proxy.conf should have an include line <feature> <field-medium> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1939180>
[04:38] <mup> Bug #1939180 changed: maas-proxy.conf should have an include line <feature> <field-medium> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1939180>
[04:41] <mup> Bug #1939180 opened: maas-proxy.conf should have an include line <feature> <field-medium> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1939180>
[04:44] <mup> Bug #1939180 changed: maas-proxy.conf should have an include line <feature> <field-medium> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1939180>
[20:01] <mup> Bug #1958173 opened: 'None' IPMI workaround option is displayed, while it should be hidden and only selected if all other options are unselected <MAAS:New> <maas-ui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1958173>
[20:04] <mup> Bug #1958173 changed: 'None' IPMI workaround option is displayed, while it should be hidden and only selected if all other options are unselected <MAAS:New> <maas-ui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1958173>
[20:07] <mup> Bug #1958173 opened: 'None' IPMI workaround option is displayed, while it should be hidden and only selected if all other options are unselected <MAAS:New> <maas-ui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1958173>


[05:24] <jam> morning all
[05:24] <jam> glad you made it back safe bigjools
[05:24] <bigjools> morning jam
[05:24] <bigjools> me too ;)
[07:34] <jtv> Hi jam, hi bigjools
[10:33] <mgz> did anyone catch smoser yesterday?
[10:34] <mgz> he posted a why-what? comment in bug 1044503 which is a bit suprising as I thought we'd asked him about it last week
[11:50] <mgz> jam, dimitern: have put up a very simple migration branch, will commit some smarts around model and fallback now
[11:54] <Daviey> mgz: i did, i did!
[11:55] <mgz> Daviey: and the upshot was? :)
[11:56] <mgz> I'm still not really sure how this is going to be used, beyond maybe some simple customisations for specific hardware (like the highbank console thing currently hardcoded in the arch method)
[11:57] <Daviey> mgz: No upshot.. i just happend to catch him.
[11:57] <Daviey> now i think about it, it's not that helpful.
[11:58] <mgz> well, if you catch him again, don't let him go!
[12:06] <Daviey> because he bit your finger so?
[12:10] <mgz> hm, jenkins is unhappy, "Failed to create a temp file on /home/ubuntu/launchpad-jobs/workspace/maas-merger-quantal"
[12:10] <jam> mgz: it has been unhappy fora  few days, it is either a perms issue, or a out-of-disk space, IMO
[12:11] <jam> rvba: ^^ you have direct access to jenkins, right?
[12:25] <jam> mgz: commented on https://code.launchpad.net/~gz/maas/1.2_add_db_kernel_params/+merge/133044
[12:27] <mgz> thanks jam
[12:59] <rvba> jam: yes, the started yesterday, the whole filesystem of the vm went read only.  matsubara is aware of the problem and worked on it yesterday; apparently he did not manage to fix the problem yet.  I'm waiting for him or Larry to come online to see what they think.
[12:59] <rvba> s/yes, the/yes, that problem/
[13:14] <matsubara> rvba, hey, I'm around now. I waiting on Larry as well since I couldn't get thta read-only problem yesterday
[13:16] <rvba> matsubara: all right.  Please keep us posted when you'll have news, this problem is really blocking us now.
[13:16] <matsubara> rvba, will do. sorry about that
[13:16] <rvba> ta
[14:03] <roaksoax> rvba: hey man! how's everything? how was your flight back
[14:03] <rvba> roaksoax: Hey Andres, everything all right.  How are you?
[14:04] <roaksoax> rvba: long :)
[14:04] <roaksoax> rvba: so anyways, where are we standing towards an SRU
[14:05] <rvba> Indeed.
[14:06] <roaksoax> rvba: are there things ready for me to start preparing for SRU?
[14:07] <rvba> roaksoax: you're talking about the precise SRU right?
[14:07] <gwd-laptop> I've got a question: Does MaaS require IPMI to function, or can it work with just DHCP / PXE / &c?
[14:08] <roaksoax> rvba: quantal
[14:08] <roaksoax> rvba: i need to catch up with the security team on the precise SRU
[14:09] <rvba> roaksoax: ok
[14:09] <roaksoax> rvba: but for 12.10 we has half of the bugs in the list already fixed, so I think we need to start SRU'ing by chunks
[14:09] <roaksoax> rvba: i'm also gonna be trying to reproduce the upgrade bug again and see if it shows up
[14:09] <rvba> roaksoax: we've committed most of the fix which will go in the SRU already https://launchpad.net/maas/+milestone/12.10-stabilization
[14:10] <rvba> fixes* even
[14:10] <rvba> roaksoax: 2 bugs are assigned to you in that list.  Not sure what's the status for these two…?
[14:11] <roaksoax> rvba: well 1 is pretty hard to fix as there's no real way to find out whether it is a VM or real HW. and the second one is mostly IPMI issue itself, but will handle it by waiting more time before optaining an IP address, and dealing with the 0.0..0.0 as a failure to obtain IPMI address
[14:18] <mgz> huh. we haven't backported our other changes to 1.2 yet so basing on 1.2 was maybe not helpful.
[14:18]  * mgz adjusts the test
[14:32] <mgz> jam, dimitern: how goes?
[14:32] <dimitern> mgz: I saw your change and I'm adapting my tests and code to match what you added
[14:33] <dimitern> I'll be ready later today with my changes, but still need a ui review
[14:46] <gwd-laptop> Ping? Anyone have an answer to my question?
[14:48] <mgz> gwd-laptop: what ever it was, it's not in my scrollback
[14:48] <gwd-laptop> mgz: Thanks -- the question was: "Does MaaS require IPMI to function, or can it work with just DHCP / PXE / &c?"
[14:50] <roaksoax> gwd-laptop: no it doesn't require IPMI to function, but then you would need to manually turn on machines
[14:50] <gwd-laptop> mgz: I think that's probably OK -- in this case they'll actually be VMs. :-)
[14:50]  * mgz takes all the credit
[14:50] <gwd-laptop> Oops, sorry, didn't look closely. :-)
[14:51] <roaksoax> gwd-laptop: yeah, there's an option to use virsh as a power method
[14:51] <gwd-laptop> I work for Citrix on the Xen open-source team.  I want to write a charm to install Xen / XCP on MaaS, so that they can be tested with the OpenStack testing that the Server team does.  But we don't use MaaS for our test infrastructure at Citrix, so I was thinking of trying to use a virtualized environment.
[14:52] <mgz> that sounds like a good plan. not sure what docs we have currently on testing like that.
[14:53] <gwd-laptop> roaksoax: Would doing it manually work as well?  I'm a lot more familiar with setting up XenServer than with setting up libvirt -- although, it's probably not bad to get a bit more practice with the latter...
[14:54] <smoser> mgz, the screen shots didn't make a lot of sense to me.
[14:54] <roaksoax> gwd-laptop: hold on, you want to deploy Xen based Vm's with MAAS?
[14:54] <roaksoax> gwd-laptop: or you simply want ot deploy Xen/XCP on machines using a charm?
[14:55] <gwd-laptop> roaksoax: What I actually want is a charm to install Ubuntu + Xen in a MaaS environment.
[14:55] <gwd-laptop> roaksoax: But I don't actually have a real MaaS environment, so I'm thinking of trying to set up a virtualized environment, just to test the charm.
[14:57] <gwd-laptop> roaksoax: If it's not really feasible, I can probably get a phsyical MaaS system set up here, but it's just more work.
[14:57] <roaksoax> gwd-laptop: right, so yeah a virtualized environment should be enough. The power management in maas is simply to start/stop machines/vm's when juju deploying something
[14:58] <gwd-laptop> roaksoax: So if I'm willing to babysit the installation and flip the virtual switch myself, I should be able to test the charm.  Great -- I'll give that a try.
[14:58] <mgz> smoser: sorry, screenshots? customising the kernel params is pretty much just and admin level config thing to avoid some hardcoding of stuff
[14:58] <smoser> screenshots on the merge proposal
[14:58] <dimitern> smoser: that ones I added?
[14:58] <smoser> and i was never clear on what "tags" meant. i just wante dto see some example.
[14:58] <roaksoax> gwd-laptop: yeah, power management is not really required :)
[14:59] <gwd-laptop> roaksoax: Cool -- thanks for your help!
[14:59] <roaksoax> gwd-laptop: anytime!
[15:00] <mgz> dimitern: you seem to have proposed a 1.2 based branch against lp:maas rather than lp:maas/1.2 maybe?
[15:01] <dimitern> mgz: it's agains 1.2, the MP is there now just for ui review
[15:02] <dimitern> so it's on trunk (by mistake)
[15:03] <smoser> dimitern, yeah, i suppose.
[15:03] <smoser> i jus wanted an example description of how tags will be rendered.
[15:03] <mgz> smoser, okay, so the concrete stuff I can see this doing is changing stuff like the compose_arch_opts function in provisioning.kernel_opts into an admin level command like 'add-tag --kernel-params="console=ttAMA0" --definition="contains(/node/product, 'Highbank')"'
[15:04] <dimitern> smoser: so the tags are things you can attach to nodes, and the kernel opts can be part of the tag info, an in addition there are the global params in settings
[15:04] <mgz> so, rather than needing a provisioning server code change to alter the params for a specific set of hardware, you define something that matches against the lshw output, then the final stage boot uses the params attached to that tag
[15:05] <roaksoax> rvba: alright, so we are SRU'ing quantal MAAS into precise
[15:05] <mgz> roaksoax suggested this would be enough for what you guys want to do, hopefully that's the case?
[15:05] <smoser> hm..
[15:06] <roaksoax> well yes, I suggested based on the fact that this was decided to be resolved using tags
[15:07] <smoser> mgz, so --definition= says 'attach tag named kernel-params with value "console=...." to all machines that are Highbank'
[15:07] <rvba> roaksoax: yeah, but that is going to require some extra work because of the dependencies (Django 1.4, etc.)
[15:07] <roaksoax> rvba: yeah, i guess we could simply SRU the minimal change as well?
[15:07] <smoser> and 'kernel-param' is some special tag that would even be identified as such in the maas-cli ?
[15:07] <roaksoax> rvba: that'[s the only blocker really
[15:08] <mgz> definition just specifies which nodes have that tag, based on their reported lshw output
[15:08] <mgz> by attaching the kernel params to tags, we hope to make the boot after that admin customisable based on the hardware
[15:08] <rvba> roaksoax: not sure it's the only blocker, I need to check the new dependencies that we use in the quantal version.
[15:09] <roaksoax> rvba: ok cool that would be helpful
[15:09] <roaksoax> mgz: right, so i think that regardless of the definition, it's still necessary to be able to assign kernel params to any given system
[15:10] <roaksoax> mgz: and might be required to assigned based on the name of the system
[15:10] <mgz> but what I'm still not clear on is which boots matter
[15:10] <smoser> well, any boot in which you want to do something matters
[15:10] <smoser> :)
[15:10] <mgz> with the ability to manually add a tag to any name, you can give one (or more) boxes completely custom params
[15:11] <smoser> so what happens if multiple tags named 'kernel-params' match a node?
[15:11] <mgz> what are the names for the three steps again? enlistment, commissioning, something else?
[15:11] <smoser> and are admin specified appended after MAAS required (ie, iscsi_target=....)
[15:12] <mgz> smoser: the easiest thing for us is to just take the params from one matching tag, in a deterministic fashion
[15:12] <jtv> mgz: you mean deployment?
[15:12] <smoser> that is the easiest thing, yes.
[15:12] <mgz> basically, tag-level customisation can't kick in till after we have the lshw output, which happens on the comissioning step, right?
[15:13] <roaksoax> right
[15:13] <smoser> so if i did like you suggested above with but with a different value with different criteria
[15:13] <smoser> what would happen?
[15:13] <smoser> which match would "win"
[15:13] <mgz> the globally configured ones could maybe be used before that, but there still needs to be a way for the nodes to talk to the maasserver to get that out
[15:13] <smoser> is that determinable?
[15:14] <mgz> smoser: one idea is to just take the first tag lexicographically, but we've not coded it yet, so what ever you like :)
[15:14] <mgz> the UI dimitern is working on aims to make this clear
[15:15] <smoser> that word is way to big for me.
[15:15] <mgz> by displaying the params used and where they came from
[15:15] <mgz> smoser: A comes before Z and so on
[15:16] <smoser> i'm confused.
[15:16] <smoser> which is why i just wanted some example that showed what would happen
[15:17] <nveitch> i think thats not a great idea
[15:17] <dimitern> smoser: you have tags, named "big-gpu", "large-mem", "0-special-tag", etc., so when sorted the 3rd one will be applied first, even if more than one of them match a single node
[15:17] <nveitch> chronologically would be better
[15:18] <mgz> the problem with chronologically is that would either need tracking seperately or would be unstable in the face of minor tweaks to tag definitions
[15:18] <smoser> right.
[15:18] <dimitern> smoser: and the other ones matching will be ignored, if none matches - use the global params from settings
[15:18] <smoser> so tag has name and value
[15:18] <smoser> right?
[15:18] <smoser> this is confusing me
[15:19] <dimitern> nveitch: ordering them chronologically poses problem with how to control the order and fine-tune it
[15:19] <mgz> they have a name, and a definition, which specifies what they match
[15:19] <dimitern> smoser: name, description (comment) and optionally, kernel_params
[15:19] <smoser> because it seems like your implying that tag_name="0-special-tag" and value="console=ttyS0"
[15:19] <mgz> (and a comment, which is just fluff, and shortly also an optional list of kernel params)
[15:19] <smoser> but then i dont know where the string 'kernel_params' would fit.
[15:19] <smoser> oh
[15:19] <smoser> that is odd
[15:20] <dimitern> smoser: the kernel_params field of the tag is the complete boot command line for the kernel, as I understand it - all params as a string
[15:20] <smoser> so you're suggesting that names have, importantly, a name and a 'kernel_params'
[15:20] <mgz> no, tag (name='0-special-tag', definition='true', kernel_params='console=ttyS0)
[15:20] <smoser> dimitern, well, it can't have the entire set of parameters, because that is not knowable outside of maas.
[15:20] <smoser> that is wierd.
[15:20] <dimitern> tag names are used just for sorting
[15:21] <smoser> dont you think this is weird?
[15:21] <smoser> we're promoting "kernel_params" to some sort of super item that is even then part of a tag?
[15:21] <dimitern> smoser: maybe I don't get it well enough to tell why it's weird?
[15:21] <mgz> maas will still supply some internally (needs to for various things that take arguments), but will allow you one extra set of params to stick on the end
[15:21] <smoser> if you told me "you can apply tags to nodes or groups of nodes"
[15:21] <mgz> smoser: yes. but I don't think it really matters.
[15:22] <smoser> i would think that a "tag" is either a key:value pair, or (less usefully) a 'name'
[15:22] <smoser> but i would probably not expect that it is a key:value:kernel_params triplet
[15:22] <dimitern> smoser: a tag is a few extra properties, which can be attached to a node, one of them can be the kernel params
[15:22] <mgz> it complicates the tag is name+definition thing, but sticking tag associated kernel params elsewhere wouldn't really change much
[15:22] <dimitern> smoser: it's not just key/value
[15:23] <mgz> I would prefer if the apis were kept clean of kernel stuff, but jam disagreed on the basis that this is the simplest thing
[15:26] <mgz> it would be perfectly possible to stick the actual data whereever, the main question is if getting that stuff based on one tag would be okay for what you'll want to do with it
[15:28] <mgz> the main issue with fancier things seems to be that kernel params are pretty opaque to us, we can't easilly tell what overrides what, what combines with what, so merging multiple params is non-trivial
[15:29] <smoser> right.
[15:30] <smoser> so i think its not at all unreasonable to just throw up your hands. and not attempt to merge or join in any way, but just let some definition "win"
[15:30] <smoser> but with tags, that seems somewhat arbitrary.
[15:31] <smoser> so i suspect thats why the lexical ordering based on 'name'.
[15:32] <mgz> right, and then we document that you name your tags specially for kernel params with 001- prefixes if you want clarity
[15:33] <smoser> but if we're playing the funny name game ...
[15:33] <smoser> then why not
[15:33] <smoser> 001-kernel-params="console=ttyS0"
[15:34] <mgz> because how do you then associate 001-kernel-params with a particular set of machines?
[15:34] <smoser> however you do that anyway.
[15:34] <smoser> i had assumed the --definition thing was not specific
[15:34] <smoser> to kernel params
[15:34] <mgz> or you mean pickling the params into the tag name?
[15:35] <smoser> if i have both key and value for a "tag" (which 'im still confused by)
[15:35] <smoser> then no pickling needed.
[15:35] <mgz> tags are just names, with some fancy logic attached
[15:35] <mgz> the fancy logic is optional
[15:36] <mgz> rather than needing to manually look at each machine and say whether a tag applies to it or not (node triage...)
[15:36] <mgz> you can give a definition that we then use to automatically apply the tag if appropriatte to any new machines as they show up
[15:37] <smoser> ok. that at least maks sense.
[15:37] <mgz> the kernel params are again just a bit of extra logic bundled with the tag, to say when booting a machine that matches this tag, add in these params
[15:37] <smoser> then yeah, my solution would require pickling name/value
[15:37] <smoser> which i dont think is beautiful
[15:37] <smoser> but i dont think the extra special attribute is either.
[15:38] <smoser> but then my suggestion was that you could just have a name of "001-kernel-params=console=ttyS0"
[15:38] <smoser> which would probably be improved to move kernel-params to the beginning.
[15:39] <smoser> but either way.
[15:39] <smoser> http://pad.daviey.com/maas-kernel-params
[15:39] <smoser> i put 3 points there that i'd like to at least have considered.
[15:40] <smoser> and know how i would address them
[15:40] <smoser> i think it'll work, but i just iddn't wan tto create somethign that wouldn't solve anyone's actual problems
[15:42] <mgz> thanks, extra details are useful
[15:45] <mgz> the -- is interesting... I wonder if we can leave that just to the user supplied params?
[15:45] <mgz> or will some of the ones that maas needs to add in itself have to be mixed before and after?
[15:46] <mgz> ...or can we assume user supplied ones should always be carried over to the installed system?
[15:57] <smoser> mgz, well, the -- is annoyhing.
[15:57] <smoser> and i ran into this personall a bit ago.
[15:58] <smoser> the BOOTIF= is the most annoying bit
[15:58] <smoser> as it gets copied over :)
[15:58] <smoser> as IPAPPEDN is "append"
[17:11] <rvba> jam: jtv mgz: matsubara fixed the Jenkins problem (apparently, rebooting the vm many times fixed it).
[17:12] <jtv> rvba: \o/  thanks!
[17:12] <rvba> Diogo will investigate further but in the meantime so that it does not happen again but we can land our branches.
[17:13] <jtv> And thanks to matsubara for the work...  what fixes it for me is a manual “fsck -f -y /dev/<partition>” from a boot shell.
[17:14] <mgz> go matsubara
[17:14] <jtv> rvba: you landed my lint branch already?
[17:14] <rvba> jtv: yes, I used that branch as a test :)
[17:14] <jtv> I was so looking forward to landing that one.  :)
[17:19] <roaksoax> rvba: jtv so when do you guys have a catchup call
[17:19] <jtv> roaksoax: normally around 08:00 UTC
[17:20] <rvba> roaksoax: 08:30 UTC
[17:20] <jtv> (I'm being vague because I believe it was just being changed due to DST)
[17:20] <jtv> Ah yes, the half hour too.
[17:20] <roaksoax> uh, that's early for me
[17:20] <roaksoax> :)
[17:20] <roaksoax> rvba: ok so we need to have a catch up call to talk about the upgrade path
[17:20] <roaksoax> and so on
[17:21] <rvba> roaksoax: ok, we can do that tomorrow.
[17:23] <roaksoax> alright cool
[17:34] <jtv> roaksoax: thanks for the review...  I'm out too.  :)
[17:36] <mgz> matsubara: tried merging again, but it failed once more alas...
[17:37] <matsubara> mgz, which merge proposal?
[17:39] <mgz> jenkins job 252, merge for lp:~gz/maas/1.2_fix_duplicated_039_migration
[17:41] <matsubara> job #253 passed
[17:42] <mgz> was that against trunk or against 1.2?
[17:43] <matsubara> 1.2
[17:43] <matsubara> there are separate jobs for 1.2 and trunk
[17:44] <mgz> shall I try again and hope?
[17:46] <matsubara> I just did
[17:46] <matsubara> let's see
[18:12] <matsubara> mgz, the eagle has landed
[18:15] <mgz> woho!
[18:15] <mgz> clearly jenkins likes you better :)