[00:05] <saivann> asac : Yes, bug is still open for thunderbird in intrepid
[00:05] <saivann> asac : bug 194970
[00:06] <asac> saivann: isa that because i missed the merge or because there was no upstream release after merge?
[00:15] <saivann> asac : I might not remember correctly, but I think that you said to me that you would merge the branch in your local branch. However, the current thunderbird in Intrepid does not include that fix.
[00:17] <saivann> asac : This is not the most important issue, do you want me to re-upload a updated branch and remember you this bug in a few months for Jaunty?
[00:21] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/64902/
[00:22] <fta> oops, wrong
[00:22] <fta> i should read
[00:23] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/64903/
[00:48] <fta> [reed], mozilla Bug 462467
[08:59] <asac> saivann: no its fine. i will merge it a bit later today
[11:47] <asac> @time
[12:32] <armin76> @bumb
[12:32] <armin76> asac: i got an arm :D
[12:44] <fta> i was born with two ;)
[13:09] <lesshaste> hi
[13:09] <lesshaste> firefox no longers starts... it appears to be running but it doesn't actually come up so I can see it
[13:09] <lesshaste> I can paste an output of strace if that might help?
[13:13] <asac> armin76: cool ... put ubuntu on it ;)
[13:21] <armin76> asac: hahahaha :D
[13:21] <armin76> asac: is there an arm port? :P
[13:21] <armin76> besides, to make you happy, its running debian
[13:21] <armin76> until i compile all the stuff i need to put gentoo
[13:21] <asac> armin76: oh thats cool ;)
[13:27] <asac> damn
[13:27] <asac> second xulrunner orig upload hangs on last K
[13:28] <asac> one more try :(
[13:36] <fta> asac, mozilla Bug 462467 :)
[13:37] <fta> [reed], ^^
[13:38] <asac> yeah if my net would deliver me anything i could probably do something ;)
[13:39] <fta> no need, i got a r+, i just need someone to commit it
[13:40] <fta> or do i need a sr+ too ?
[13:40] <asac> fta: depends on what the current branch rules are
[13:40] <asac> fta: and who did the review
[13:41] <asac> if it was a superreviewer then you dont need a sr afaict
[13:41] <fta> luser
[13:41] <asac> fta: if this upload doesnt work, i need you to upload a orig i guess ;)
[13:42] <asac> i mean ... the first build1 one :)
[13:43] <fta> np
[13:49] <asac> sigh ... first thing after this upload will be a modem and router reset
[13:51] <fta> hm, ff3.1 freeze while trying to open a pdf with evince
[13:51] <fta> mozilla bug 460933
[13:52] <asac> fta: http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showbuilds.cgi?tree=Firefox + http://developer.mozilla.org/en/mozilla-central#mozilla-central_tree_rules
[14:54] <Shanix_> hi all, I have an issue with the extra large space on firefox, tried all the uninstall, reinstall, but none works
[14:54] <Shanix_> it looks like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6057400
[14:54] <Shanix_> is there any way to debug this?
[14:56] <asac> Shanix_: first thing: check that all extensions you have are disabled/uninstalled
[14:56] <asac> Shanix_: second thing would be to see what font you are using
[14:56] <asac> maybe you have set something custom there
[14:57] <asac> Shanix_: the other thing I could think of might be a combination of font and zoom
[14:57] <asac> do the spaces get smaller when you zoom out?
[14:57] <Shanix_> asac, I even remove the profile and recreate it, but doesn't help either
[14:57] <asac> Shanix_: well. you could have gnome settings
[14:57] <asac> for the fonts
[14:58] <Shanix_> asac, the strangest thing is that even if I login with different user (new user), but firefox still looks like that
[14:58] <Shanix_> I changed all the fonts to the default Ubuntu font
[14:58] <Shanix_> and it is only happen on firefox
[14:59] <asac> Shanix_: have you tried  a live CD?
[14:59] <asac> does it look ok there?
[14:59] <Shanix_> asac, yes, it looks ok on the live CD
[15:00] <asac> Shanix_: just shooting: 1) try a different language? ensure that you really have the default fonts installed and not any other fonts
[15:01] <Shanix_> asac, on the gnome or ?
[15:01] <asac> Shanix_: do you have anything in /usr/local/lib ?
[15:02] <asac> Shanix_: yes language: just use plain english ;) (unless you used livecd with your locale)=
[15:02] <Shanix_> asac, yes, eclipse, gtk-2.0, pythong2.5, site_ruby
[15:03] <asac> Shanix_: dump that
[15:03] <asac> remove everything from there
[15:03] <Shanix_> ok
[15:03] <asac> at least gtk2
[15:03] <asac> but at best everything as you otherwise might miss things
[15:03] <asac> you could rename the whole /usr/local folder to test
[15:03] <asac> (remember to restart everythign after that)
[15:09] <Shanix_> no, unfortunately, still appear to be the same
[15:10] <Shanix_> rename the /usr/local, restart X
[15:11] <asac> not sure. hard to figure that out. have you tried with all the language stuff removed?
[15:13] <asac> this surealy looks like a font thing ... either its pango/cairo or something locale related. mostlikely a combination of all with not default fonts installed
[15:14] <asac> Shanix_: it looks a bit like the font isnt scaled at all for you ... while everything else gets stretcehd
[15:14] <Shanix_> i only have the english language left now, others has been removed.
[15:14] <asac> maybe its as simple that you dont use a scalable font at all
[15:15] <Shanix_> asac, the application font that I used is Sans
[15:17] <Shanix_> so firefox is using the font from gnome, right?
[15:18] <Shanix_> the language on firefox shows xulrunner en-GB
[15:23] <Shanix_> so, if I rename the /usr/share/fonts
[15:23] <Shanix_> the font definitely looks different now ...
[16:47] <asac> mozilla bug 439252
[20:23] <crimsun> [reed]: Flash 10 with minefield on intrepid?  using pulseaudio?  with libasound2-plugins from my PPA installed?
[20:23] <fta> lol, a crazy guy: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1885588
[20:45] <asac> fta: where is my karma graph?
[20:45] <asac> ;)
[20:48] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/65387/
[20:50] <fta> mozilla bug 456439
[20:52] <fta> asac, should i drop your patch?
[20:52] <fta> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=345662
[20:52] <asac> good
[20:52] <asac> even translatable all the bits
[20:53] <asac> so maybe we get a similar landing in 3.0.5 .... but i doubt it as there are a bunch of new strings
[21:06] <sebner> asac: is the flash -> sometimes gray boxes bug already known?
[21:06] <asac> sebner: probably nspluginwrapper related.
[21:06] <asac> have no bug id at hand
[21:07] <sebner> asac: So it's getting better if I install nspluginwrapper? /me also hasn't found a bug for it bug saw someone complaining and as I have the same sometimes (not reproduceable) ...
[21:13] <asac> sebner: err. i mean its get worse _with_ nspluginwrapper
[21:13] <asac> sebner: are you not using it?
[21:19] <sebner> asac: nope ^^
[21:19] <asac> sebner: well. general bustage then most likely
[21:20] <asac> flashplugin isnt really the most stable thing on earth. could be that it hangs in alsa ;)
[21:20] <crimsun> I'm happy to blame it on Flash ;-)
[21:20] <sebner> asac: hrhr. Well, normal users recomment reinstalling to fix it. anyway I don't have it that often. maybe 1 in 20 times
[21:21] <asac> reinstalling for fixing?
[21:21] <asac> doesn't sound dangerous ;) ... but useless
[21:21] <asac> that must be on forums :)
[21:21] <sebner> hehe
[21:21] <sebner> dunno
[21:22] <asac> sebner: could you try with upstream firefox build?
[21:22] <sebner> asac: grr I should go back to XP xD. k3b has also a bug. no mp3 ripping anymore :(
[21:22] <sebner> asac: sure
[21:22] <asac> is k3b in main?
[21:23] <sebner> asac: yes
[21:23] <sebner> why?
[21:23] <asac> not sure ;) ... i think i never used it
[21:23] <sebner> asac: well, I don't suppose you are a kde guy that can fix that so I wasn't asking ;)
[21:23] <asac> try to rip an open format
[21:24] <asac> better not ;)
[21:24] <sebner> asac: tell my sister :O
[21:24] <asac> does the gnome thing work?=
[21:25] <sebner> asac: soundjuicer? dunno. but it's working with grip (slowly but working), so it's a k3b issue. anyway, my sister only wants k3b xD
[21:25] <asac> tell here that choice and learning new things is good and healthy ;)
[21:25] <asac> tell her
[21:26] <sebner> asac: I gave that up a long time ago ;)
[21:26] <sebner> asac: and btw, YOU are a canoncial guy. so instead of telling me things you should fix it ^^
[21:28] <asac> sebner: you shouldnt upgrade system of simple users right on release day
[21:29] <asac> at least my opinion ;)
[21:29] <sebner> asac: well, be honest ... If I don't push any MOTU towards (my) bug that also wouldn't be fixed in 2 months ;)
[21:29] <asac> a follower shouldnt be made a "innovator" :)
[21:30] <asac> sebner: you should file the bug upstream too
[21:30] <asac> sebner: or ping kubuntu folks ;)
[21:30] <sebner> asac: sure, upstream seems to be semi-dead though
[21:31] <asac> where is the bug? :-Ü
[21:31] <sebner> asac: yeah I know. but I was just here and thought canoncial guys are mighty :P
[21:31] <sebner> bug 249642 | asac
[21:32] <sebner> arggh
[21:32] <sebner> sry
[21:32] <sebner> wrong one
[21:32] <sebner> bug 267399
[21:33] <asac> sebner: so that program doesnt work at all?
[21:33] <sebner> asac: it's working perfectly well. just ripping to MP3 isn't working ^^
[21:34] <asac> sebner: what other use-cases does it cover?
[21:34] <sebner> asac: pardon?
[21:35] <asac> sebner: nevermind. what is the output on the command line exactly? (or whereever the error named in the bug comes from)
[21:36] <sebner> asac: well output from terminal doesn't say anything. K3b says: Start reading dist ,..  Then "Borken command: lame -h --tt ............ "
[21:36] <asac> not promissing ... archive.ubuntu.com still doesnt answer for me
[21:36] <asac> oh now
[21:39] <asac> sebner: what is ......
[21:39] <asac> what happens if you run that commadn manually
[21:40] <sebner> asac: ..... <-- is CD title, track title etc. didn't try that yet. I just know that lame is working (with grip, or I can start it manually)
[21:40] <fta> asac, congrats, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/karma.png
[21:41] <asac> sigh
[21:41] <asac> quite interesting
[21:41] <fta> the hole is my dead hd + the disastrous hardy->intrepid upgrade
[21:41] <asac> i worked like 5 days all the time on bugs
[21:41] <asac> but it just boosted ... then only crawled
[21:41] <fta> i'm now polling the detail
[21:41] <sebner> lol
[21:41] <asac> most likely a bzr downturn
[21:42] <asac> maybe i should focus on bzr work again ;)
[21:43] <sebner> asac: when I try the commands with lame in the terminal the result is:
[21:44] <sebner> lame: excess arg CD
[21:44] <asac> i cannot help you if you dont post the complete command ... really
[21:44] <asac> ;)
[21:44] <sebner> asac: sebner@ubuntu:~$ lame -h --tt Bill Bailey --ta --tl My CD --ty 0 --tc -/home/sebner/Desktop// - My CD/01 - Bill Bailey.mp3
[21:44] <sebner>   :P
[21:45] <fta> use quotes around the filename
[21:45] <asac> sebner: well you definitly have to put the whitespaced content in " "
[21:45] <asac> yeah
[21:45] <asac> quotes
[21:45] <asac> aroudn everything that has whitespaces
[21:45] <sebner> ^^
[21:45] <sebner> just did that what k3b showed me
[21:45] <asac> no clue if -/home/sebner is valid
[21:45] <asac> i would think its none-sense
[21:46] <fta> same
[21:46] <asac> sebner: yes, but dont be a bot. things that are one argument needs to be quoted
[21:46] <sebner> true
[21:46] <asac> so lame -h --tt "Bill Bailey" --ta --tl "My CD" --ty 0 --tc "/home/sebner/Desktop// - My CD/01 - Bill Bailey.mp3
[21:47] <asac> "
[21:47] <asac> i would think
[21:47] <sebner> Cannot find MY Cd
[21:47] <sebner> when I change it to "dev/cdrom"
[21:47] <asac>             "usage: %s [options] <infile> [outfile]\n"
[21:47] <asac>             "\n"
[21:47] <asac>             "    <infile> and/or <outfile> can be \"-\", which means stdin/stdout.\n"
[21:47] <sebner> Warning: unsupported audio format
[21:47] <asac> so - is stdin
[21:48] <asac> maybe you just missed a whitespace
[21:49] <sebner> don't think so
[21:49] <sebner> still
[21:49] <sebner> Warning: unsupported audio format
[21:49] <asac> sebner: where is your source? a CD?
[21:49] <sebner> asac: yes
[21:49] <asac> try --cd then
[21:50] <asac> lame -h --cd --tt "Bill Bailey" --ta --tl "My CD" --ty 0 --tc "/home/sebner/Desktop// - My CD/01 - Bill Bailey.mp3"
[21:50] <asac> or something
[21:50] <sebner> asac: I think instead of "My CD" I have to use the path to the CD ;) .. still unsupported format.
[21:51] <asac> anyway if that doesnt no
[21:51] <asac> no
[21:51] <asac> ;)
[21:51] <asac> thats the title
[21:51] <asac>            "    --tt <title>    audio/song title (max 30 chars for version 1 tag)\n"
[21:51] <asac>             "    --ta <artist>   audio/song artist (max 30 chars for version 1 tag)\n"
[21:51] <asac>             "    --tl <album>    audio/song album (max 30 chars for version 1 tag)\n"
[21:52] <sebner> but why then
[21:52] <sebner> Could not find "My CD".
[21:52] <asac> sebner: well. most likely because it has no input at all
[21:53] <asac> sebner: study the manpage of lame ... would be good to know if its really something missing
[21:53] <asac> like a code or something
[21:53] <asac> but for that we need to know that we run it properly ;)
[21:53] <sebner> asac: /me is interested in how lame gets an input source
[21:55] <asac> sebner: seems you need a .wav first
[21:56] <sebner> asac: Did I mention that it worked (with Hardy) ^^
[21:57] <fta> i386      0 builds waiting in queue
[21:57] <fta> 	palmer 	AUTO 	Building i386 build of inline-octave 0.22-3ubuntu1 in ubuntu jaunty RELEASE
[21:57] <fta> 	rothera 	AUTO 	Building i386 build of ggz-python <IP_ADDRESS>-1 in ubuntu jaunty RELEASE
[21:57] <fta> \o/
[21:57] <asac> icedax
[21:57] <asac> sebner: ^^
[21:57] <asac> to dump CDs to wavs
[21:57] <asac> then cat /tmp/your.wav | lame (command from above)
[21:57] <fta> why do that manually, there are tons of GUIs
[21:58] <asac> fta: we want to see what happens with lame on the command line ;)
[21:58] <sebner> asac: tomorrow or something like that ^^. but thx for your help (also that this isn't your area normally). /me will try to find a kde guy anyway
[21:58] <fta> oh
[21:58] <asac> fta: because k3b (a gui) chokes and only says that the lame command files
[21:58] <asac> fails
[21:58] <sebner> fta: but it was working in hardy
[21:58] <asac> sebner: could you plese finish that?
[21:58] <asac> i mean its two things ;)
[21:59] <asac> and then post that in bug.
[21:59] <asac> fta: jaunty official or ppa?
[21:59] <fta> official
[21:59] <sebner> asac: I rip it with k3b to wave :P
[21:59] <fta> so i guess ppa too
[22:00] <fta> asac, https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds
[22:00] <asac> sebner: yeah ... once you have wav do the above
[22:00] <asac> sebner: if that works k3b just does wrong and should be easy to fix
[22:00] <fta> i'm surprised the toolchain is ready so soon
[22:00] <asac> if not we know the source and probably its a new command line options or something
[22:00] <sebner> asac: but how can such a thing change from hardy -> intrepid
[22:01] <asac> fta: sure that the archive is open?
[22:01] <asac> sebner: simple: lame is a new version -> new command line options, old dropped
[22:01] <sebner> asac: release schedule says jaunty opens at 5th nov
[22:01] <fta> asac, if the builders build, there's a repo somewhere
[22:01] <asac> or k3b is new, but lame wasnt updated -> new command line options are not yet suppored
[22:02] <asac> fta: yeah but might be bootstrapping things
[22:02] <fta> damn, i have 113 tabs
[22:02] <asac> or test builds
[22:02] <asac> or something
[22:02] <asac> i dont know the exact bootstrapping procedure
[22:02] <sebner> asac: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRKKKKKINNNNNNNNGGGGGGGG
[22:02] <sebner> xD
[22:02] <sebner> lame Desktop/\ \ -\ My\ CD/01\ -\ Bill\ Bailey.wav -h --tt "Bill Bailey" --ta --tl "My CD" --ty 0 --tc "/home/sebner/Desktop// - My CD/01 - Bill Bailey.mp3"
[22:02] <sebner> produces a My CD.mp3 in my home
[22:02] <nikolam> fta, :)
[22:03] <asac> sebner: try the cat i told you
[22:03] <asac> with the -
[22:03] <asac> fta: how much mem?
[22:03] <asac> takes ffox?
[22:03] <nikolam> fta, with seamonkey, you can have even more tabs in window :)
[22:04] <asac> whats the status of sm 2?
[22:04] <sebner> asac: sry, what do you mean with the "-" ?
[22:05] <asac> sebner: instead of the filename use -
[22:05] <asac> and then prepend that command with cat yourfile.wav | lame ....
[22:07] <fta> USER       PID %CPU %MEM    VSZ   RSS TTY      STAT START   TIME COMMAND
[22:07] <fta> fta      21144 22.1 27.2<PHONE_NUMBER>96 ?       Rl   14:52 109:36 /usr/lib/firefox-3.1b2pre/firefox-3.1
[22:11] <asac> sebner:  in k3b there are two lame encoders
[22:12] <asac> one uses the lib and one uses the external command
[22:12] <asac> maybe you can switch to the lib thing?
[22:12] <asac> a switch somewhere?
[22:12] <sebner> asac: never found something like that
[22:12] <asac> where you can say that it should use a different plugin for encoding to mp3?
[22:12] <asac> sebner: look for plugins
[22:12] <asac> in preferences or optios or something
[22:12] <sebner> asac: lame isn't mentioned there ;)
[22:13] <sebner> sebner@ubuntu:~/Desktop/  - My CD$ cat 01\ -\ Bill\ Bailey.wav | lame - -h --tt "Bill Bailey" --ta --tl "My CD" --ty 0 --tc "/home/sebner/Desktop// - My CD/01 - Bill Bailey.mp3"
[22:14] <sebner> LAME 3.98 32bits (http://www.mp3dev.org/)
[22:14] <sebner> CPU features: MMX (ASM used), SSE (ASM used), SSE2
[22:14] <sebner> Using polyphase lowpass filter, transition band: 16538 Hz - 17071 Hz
[22:14] <sebner> Encoding <stdin> to My CD
[22:14] <sebner> Encoding as 44.1 kHz j-stereo MPEG-1 Layer III (11x) 128 kbps qval=2
[22:14] <sebner> asac: no I have in the same folder a My CD.mp3
[22:15] <asac> sebner: http://paste.ubuntu.com/65410/
[22:15] <asac> try that patch against k3b
[22:15] <asac> sebner: you forgot the "cat"
[22:15] <asac> in fron tof everything
[22:16] <asac> at best rename your file to something without whitespaces to test
[22:16] <sebner> asac: nope
[22:16] <asac> just a tipp :-P
[22:16] <asac> anyway ... test that patch
[22:16] <asac> might work
[22:16] <sebner> asac: /me = testing
[22:16]  * sebner doesn't have a chroot yet :\
[22:16] <asac> sebner: you dont need chroot
[22:16] <asac> sudo apt-get build-dep k3b and there you go
[22:17] <sebner> that's so messy
[22:17] <sebner> ^^
[22:17] <asac> apt-get source k3b; cd k3b-*/; patch -o0 < /tmp/mypatch.patch
[22:17] <asac> sebner: thats the fate if one doesnt have a chroot at hand
[22:17] <sebner> asac: I know, no stress ^^
[22:17] <asac> ;)
[22:17] <asac> -p0
[22:18] <sebner> asac: you forgot debuild :P
[22:18] <asac> sebner: debuild is for the weak ;)
[22:18] <sebner> lol
[22:19] <sebner> asac: and what's for the strong ones? ^^
[22:19] <asac> fakeroot make -f ./debian/rules binary maybe ?
[22:19] <asac> but thats probably not equivalent with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b
[22:19] <sebner> that's not for the strong ones. this is for the dirty ones :P
[22:20] <asac> sebner: strong ones do apt-get install ;)
[22:20]  * sebner loves his deubild
[22:20] <sebner> *debuild
[22:20] <asac> if you mean those strong ones ;)
[22:20] <sebner> asac: lol
[22:20]  * sebner should't use the Main servers  ^ ^
[22:21] <asac> real strong ones do a diff.gz manually, type a quick and dirty .dsc and changes, sign that and then upload to ppas ;)
[22:22] <sebner> asac: mighty canoncial/core dev guys can do that :P
[22:22] <asac> actually quite good ... edit the diff.gz ... add the patch hunk, and then sign and upload ;)
[22:23] <asac> recreate dsc and changes or replace the checksums manually ;)
[22:24] <sebner> hrhr
[22:24] <sebner> you geek you :P
[22:24] <asac> so did the build finish?
[22:24]  * sebner just changed the archive server xD
[22:26] <sebner> now building
[22:27] <fta> asac, https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds/palmer/+history
[22:27] <fta> asac, obviously, it's not ready ;)
[22:27] <sebner> fta: pretty b0rken
[22:27] <asac> fta: yeah. actually i think that toolchain folks love this time ;) ... just messing around with the archive ;)
[22:28] <sebner> asac: well, at the beginning of intrepid cycle they had a lot fun, remember? ^^
[22:28] <asac> was it disruptive?
[22:29] <asac> i was stuck with hardy for some time ;)
[22:29] <sebner> very very very disruptive
[22:29] <sebner> they opened the archive where still everything was b0rken
[22:29] <asac> i can't remember that fta wasn't here because of a broken system :)
[22:29] <sebner> needed 2-3 days to fix that
[22:30] <asac> yeah well. upgrading in the first week is definitly only for the bravest ;)
[22:30] <fta> i usually jump the minute the repo is public
[22:30] <asac> and craziest ;)
[22:30] <sebner> asac: like me then xD
[22:30] <sebner> fta: highfive
[22:31] <asac> fta: was intrepid disruptive? i remember gnomefreak having issues.
[22:31] <fta> asac, not for me
[22:31] <sebner> asac: not for users but for the build machines =)
[22:31] <asac> ok but probably you just held back stuff until things settled
[22:31] <asac> and didnt run dist-upgrade blindly ;)
[22:32] <asac> sebner: so did this build finish?
[22:32] <sebner> asac: nope, /me shouldn't use his beloved debuild everytime xD
[22:33] <fta> Apr 28 22:03:29 <fta>   http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/
[22:33] <fta> Apr 28 23:30:43 <fta>   fta@ix:~ $ lsb_release -c
[22:33] <fta> Apr 28 23:30:43 <fta>   Codename:       intrepid
[22:33] <asac> well debuild isnt much slower than the rest
[22:33] <sebner> asac: then k3b takes that long. maybe it recognises that I'm a gnome user xD
[22:34] <fta> Oct 18 23:19:44 <Ubulette>      http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/
[22:34] <fta> Oct 18 23:19:50 <Ubulette>      :)
[22:34] <fta> Oct 18 23:20:05 <Ubulette>      goodbye gutsy
[22:34] <asac> i remember that one ;)
[22:34] <sebner> lol
[22:35] <asac> is there a feature in gmail to share inboxes?
[22:35] <sebner> dh_* :D
[22:36] <fta> time to reactivate getubuversions.sh
[22:37] <sebner> fta: what's that?
[22:37] <fta> a script watching for new distros ;)
[22:37] <fta> i'll get an email
[22:38] <sebner> asac: now going to test k3b
[22:40] <sebner> asac: nah, crap not working :{
[22:42] <sebner> off
[22:42] <fta> hm, it's already open.. depending on which host the dns gives me
[22:42] <sebner> gn8
[22:43] <asac> k
[22:43] <asac> sebner: i think its a differnt thing anyway
[22:44] <asac> thats really dumb ;)
[22:44] <asac> QStringList params = QStringList::split( ' ', d->cmd.command, false );
[22:44] <asac> i cant believe that that ever worked ;)
[22:44] <fta> lol
[22:44] <asac> sebner: so look why you are now using that plugin
[22:45] <asac> its definitly something that cant really work for anthing with whitespace
[22:45] <asac> so i assume that wasnt used before ;)
[22:45] <asac> my current guess: LAME is not properly enabled in configure
[22:53] <fta> hm, songbird now asks you to accept a license when you post a patch in bugzilla !???
[22:55] <asac> heh
[22:55] <asac> quite attractive
[22:56] <fta> i don't like that
[22:56] <fta> stevel, ^^
[22:57] <asac> fta: ask for license or copyright assignment?
[22:58] <asac> license is probably ok
[22:58] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/sb-bugzilla.png
[22:59] <fta> it appears when i checked "patch"
[23:00] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/65429/
[23:04] <fta> asac, ^^
[23:16] <fta> mozilla bug 462598
[23:19] <fta> asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/karma-asac.txt
[23:23] <stevel> fta: yeah - it's you giving *us* a license to use your code though
[23:24] <fta> stevel, i don't like the "past, present, future"
[23:24] <directhex> "us"? stevel is a songbird dev?
[23:24] <directhex> fta, all your code are belong to us!
[23:24] <directhex> well. "them"
[23:25] <stevel> fta: yeah that's a bit unnecessary... we can probably change that so the scope is just the current patch
[23:25] <stevel> directhex: yeah
[23:25] <fta> it's even worse than the eula used by firefox
[23:26] <stevel> fta: honestly, our legal firm are somewhat overzealous.
[23:26] <fta> stevel, i will stop filling bugs and posting patches, at least for now
[23:26] <fta> stevel, sorry but it's not acceptable for me
[23:26] <stevel> kinda sucks, we're too small to have any legal people ourselves... so we rely on an outside legal firm... but they're hired to be the most protective of us (Songbird), so they tend to err on the annoyingly-conservative side
[23:27] <stevel> fta: please at least continue to file bugs, if not attach patches
[23:27] <stevel> fta: i'll try to see if i can get that agreement text amended
[23:28]  * stevel hates legal stuff. gets in the way of actually writing interesting code
[23:28] <fta> stevel, well, i'm not sure i want to continue to work on that project in those conditions. i stopped working on flock for similar reasons.
[23:29] <stevel> fta: don't stop, your feedback helps us at least get this stuff fixed
[23:29] <stevel> when you find stuff like this, it gives me ammunition to go try and get it changed so we don't have roadblocks to external contribution
[23:33] <fta> stevel, http://bugzilla.songbirdnest.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13265
[23:33] <stevel> that's a cool bot :)
[23:34] <fta> hm, songbird bug 13265
[23:34] <asac> fta: thanks for the stats ;)
[23:34] <fta> hm, songbirdnest bug 13265
[23:34] <stevel> fta: thanks, i've fired off an email to our execs to see if we can change the text (or better yet, remove it entirely)
[23:36] <asac> stevel: dont let the legal folks own you ;)
[23:36] <stevel> asac: heh, i try not to... but i can't win every battle :(
[23:37] <asac> stevel: well, if thats the start then the end is scary ;)
[23:38] <fta> asac, these stats are updated daily, shortly after midnight
[23:38] <stevel> asac: tough to say... when i was at Sun, it was a little easier to work with the legal team because they were at least in house and you didn't have to worry about billing and all that
[23:38] <stevel> working with an external law firm is more of a pain because every hour i waste emailing or yelling over the phone is some awful exorbitant $$$
[23:39] <asac> stevel: heh. well, at least java took quite some time ;)
[23:39] <asac> ... and still in progress :-D
[23:39] <stevel> ideally Songbird gets huge, and we hire some in-house lawyer to handle all of this instead of having a lowly dev like myself work with an external firm
[23:39] <stevel> asac: yeah, BUT, there were a LOT of issues with Java & OpenSolaris in terms of third party IP, and getting companies to agree to having their code open sourced
[23:43] <asac> fta: you could file bugs for songbird in launchpad project bug tracker ;)
[23:43] <fta> it's useless
[23:43] <asac> fta: whats useless?
[23:44] <fta> posting sb bugs in lp
[23:44] <fta> who will read them?
[23:44] <asac> why ;) ... better than not posting at all. as long as songbird devs know they can look :)
[23:44] <asac> fta: of course. still the bugs would be preserved for the world ;)
[23:44] <stevel> i'd still argue that it's worth it to file bugs in our bugzilla, even if you don't want to attach a patch
[23:46] <fta> well, i posted 3 bugs in the last few days, they are all UNCONFIRMED
[23:46] <stevel> fta: our QA guys are totally backlogged trying to push 1.0 out
[23:47] <stevel> we're trying to push a release candidate today, so everyone is super stressed with work at the moment


[04:09] <InHisName> How can I tell when I have enough pieces of java installed into ubuntu that java IS complete?
[04:10] <InHisName> I have installed several java items, such as jre such and such, java6 etc. and others.  I have Hardy 64 bit with 64 bit browsers.
[04:14] <InHisName> I have two online classes from different schools and both have java tests and both fail.  One I cannot even log in, says applet running but wont ever accept text at input boxes.  It will work in firefox under XP.   A java applet not running right under ff in Hardy.
[09:19] <Peddy> Is there a way to get Java apps to play sound through Pulseaudio?
[09:26] <persia> Peddy, Yes, but it's new.
[09:26] <Peddy> persia: I'm willing to give it a try.
[09:26] <persia> I'm just checking to see which you need now.
[09:27] <Peddy> Thanks persia
[09:28] <persia> Looks like the version in jaunty is preconfigured to work with the regular sound API.
[09:28] <persia> For intrepid, I think it needs to be configured differently.
[09:28] <Peddy> ok
[09:29] <persia> But I can't find a configuration file :(
[09:30] <Peddy> Is it just a newer version of PA?
[09:30] <persia> It's also passing --enable-pulse-java when building openJDK
[09:31] <Peddy> So I could just build my own openJDK, and use those parametres?
[09:31] <persia> Maybe.
[09:31] <persia> The version in intrepid Recommends pulseaudio, but doesn't depend on it, which makes me uncertain.
[09:32] <Peddy> If I have a Java app that uses ALSA rather than PA, will the sound card still be locked?
[09:33] <persia> What are you using to make sound?  javax.sound.* ?
[09:33] <Peddy> probably, right, since the ALSA stuff is still piped through PA?
[09:33] <Peddy> I don't know, I'm just running someone else's Java program.
[09:34] <persia> Well, it depends on how they've coded it.
[09:34] <Peddy> ok, I'm going to go with the openJDK pulseaudio thing.
[09:34] <persia> If it uses some special library (e.g. tritonus), it may not switch.
[09:35] <Peddy> Ok, I'm going to download the openjdk source. Once it's done, could you help me with compiling it correctly?
[09:35] <persia> If it's just using javax.sound, it should just automatically use pulse if that's enabled in the JRE.
[09:35] <persia> Hold on: there's probably a simpler way.
[09:36] <Peddy> ok
[09:42] <Peddy> Ok, I've downloaded the source, and the binary plug thing.
[09:42] <Peddy> The binary plug is asking where to install itself, where should I install it
[09:42] <Peddy> ?
[09:44] <persia> Hrm?
[09:45] <persia> From where did you download it?  Nothing in Ubuntu should ask anything like that.
[09:45] <Peddy> nevermind, I can install the binary plugs to anywhere.
[09:45] <Peddy> persia, I'm compiling the latest openJDK with --enable-pulse-java
[09:45] <persia> Ah.  I'd consider that the hard way :)
[09:46] <Peddy> well, it seems to be the only way for me right now :) besides, it's already compiling.
[09:46] <persia> OK.
[09:47] <persia> If I were doing it, I'd have used apt-get source to get the version in intrepid, edited the commented-out with_pulse = yes in debian/rules to match the change in the patch at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19830233/openjdk-6_6b13%7Epre1-0ubuntu2_6b13%7Epre1-0ubuntu3.diff.gz and used debuild to create a package.
[09:48] <Peddy> How do you apt-get source in Ubuntu? That's something I never knew how to do.
[09:48] <persia> From a terminal, run `apt-get source openjdk-6`
[09:49] <persia> That will download the source for openJDK, and the build infrastructure used to create the packge.
[09:49] <Peddy> where does it download it to?
[09:49] <persia> Then you can run `sudo apt-get build-dep openjdk-6` to get all the support libraries you need installed.
[09:49] <persia> It downloads to the current directory.
[09:49] <Peddy> great, thanks.
[09:50] <Peddy> I'd rather do that, anyway.
[09:50] <persia> Yeah.  Saves a few headaches in dealing with known fixes for Ubuntu, and package installation/removal :)
[09:51] <Peddy> ok, it's downloaded.
[09:52] <persia> OK.  Now install the packages required to build with apt-get build-dep
[09:52] <Peddy> done
[09:53] <persia> Next, in the openjdk source directory, you want to edit the debian/rules file
[09:53] <Peddy> wait, it's apt-get build-dep openjdk-6-jdk, right? or -jre
[09:53] <persia> Just openjdk-6
[09:54] <persia> apt-get build-dep works on source packages.
[09:54] <Peddy> ok
[09:54] <Peddy> it's downloading
[09:54] <persia> OK.  While that's going on, you can edit the rules file.
[09:54] <Peddy> ype
[09:54] <persia> Find the place where it has with_pulse = yes commented out.
[09:55] <Peddy> yep*
[09:55] <persia> I've made an edit from the jaunty patch to work on intrepid that you can see at http://paste.ubuntu.com/109301/
[09:55] <persia> Just delete all 5 commented out lines, and add those three lines to build with pulse on intrepid (you are running intrepid, right?)
[09:55] <Peddy> ye
[09:55] <Peddy> s
[09:56] <persia> OK.
[09:56] <persia> Once you save your edits, then from the package directory, run `dch -i`
[09:56] <Peddy> wait
[09:56] <persia> This will create a changelog entry where you can document the change.  I'd recommend something like "* Configure with pulseaudio in intrepid"
[09:57]  * persia waits
[09:57] <Peddy> (:
[09:57] <Peddy> ok
[09:57] <Peddy> where is the rules file?
[09:57] <Peddy> I was in the directory of the manually-downloaded openjdk when I apt-get source, so that kinda messed everything up :/
[09:58] <persia> In the directory where you ran `apt-get source openjdk-6`, it should have created a directory containing the unpacked source code.
[09:58] <Peddy> yes
[09:58] <persia> Ah.  You might want to start in a new scratch directory :)
[09:58] <Peddy> I did, and that's what took so long xD I had to download everything again.
[09:58] <Peddy> and
[09:58] <Peddy> I'm in /debian, what's the file called again?
[09:58] <persia> OK.  So, in that directory, there is a directory named "debian".
[09:58] <persia> The instructions for the build are in debian/rules
[09:59] <Peddy> great
[09:59] <Peddy> ok
[09:59] <Peddy> which lines do I un-comment?
[09:59] <persia> Look for "with_pulse = yes"
[10:00] <Peddy> got it
[10:00] <persia> Then, delete 5 lines and add three lines as outlined at http://paste.ubuntu.com/109301/
[10:00] <Peddy> with_pulse wasn't actually commented.
[10:01] <persia> Interesting.
[10:01] <persia> I've just been guessing off the patch for the upload that said it was enabled.  Now I actually have to look :)
[10:02] <Peddy> It says this: ifeq ($(with_pulse),yes)<newline>CONFIGURE_ARGS += --enable-pulse-java, maybe I should compile like that?
[10:03]  * persia is reading the rules file for intrepid
[10:03] <Peddy> (:
[10:04] <persia> OK.  Di you see where it has DISTRIBUTION_PATCHES
[10:04] <persia> s/Di/Do/
[10:04] <Peddy> yes
[10:04] <persia> Just above that, there are five lines that have logic to set with_pulse
[10:05] <Peddy> yep
[10:05] <persia> You want to delete those lines, and instead use the three lines from the pastebin.
[10:06] <Peddy> done
[10:06] <Peddy> wait a sec chmoding
[10:06] <Peddy> I can't save file :/
[10:07] <persia> Did you run `sudo apt-get source ...` ?
[10:07] <Peddy> Yes L.
[10:08] <Peddy> :/
[10:08] <Peddy> apt-get, right? I'm so used to using 'sudo'.
[10:08] <persia> OK.  This is recoverable without downloading everything again.
[10:08] <Peddy> Yeah, I'm changing the permissions.
[10:08] <persia> No, don't do that.
[10:08] <Peddy> ok
[10:08] <persia> Some of the permissions are important
[10:08] <Peddy> ah
[10:09] <persia> So, go back to your scratch directory, which should have the source directory, a tarball, a .diff.gz file, and a .dsc file.
[10:09] <persia> sudo rm -r the source directory
[10:09] <Peddy> I'm in here.
[10:09] <Peddy> rm -r?
[10:09] <Peddy> so
[10:09] <Peddy> the openjdk-6-6b12/ directory?
[10:09] <persia> Yes.  You want to delete the unpacked source, and keep the tarball, etc.
[10:10] <persia> Then, as a normal user, run dpkg-source -x on the .dsc file.
[10:10] <persia> This will give you an unpacked source directory controlled by your user.
[10:10] <Peddy> ok, I can write to it.
[10:10] <Peddy> Sorry about my noobishness, and thanks for your patience :)
[10:11] <persia> No problems :)  Thanks for taking the trouble to do it the Ubuntu way, rather than giving up and using upstream sources.
[10:11] <Peddy> :)
[10:11] <Peddy> Ok, I've edited and saved the file.
[10:12] <persia> OK.  Next, from the package directory, run dch -i
[10:12] <persia> Then add a note to the changelog that you've configured it with pulse
[10:14] <Peddy> done
[10:14] <persia> Now, run debuild to build your modified package
[10:15] <Peddy> Ok, I have to go :(. After debuild, do I just configure with enable-pulse-java, or does debuild make a deb package?
[10:15] <persia> debuild makes a deb package.
[10:16] <persia> The change you made to debian/rules will cause that package to be configured with enable-pulse-java
[10:16] <Peddy> k
[10:16] <Peddy> ok, thanks a lot for your help.
[10:17] <Peddy> bye! I'll let you know how it went tomorrow.
[10:24] <Peddyt> ok, my mum told me to get off, but i've sshd in from my phone with irssi, persia.
[10:25] <persia> Peddyt, It's late.  Tomorrow will be fine :)
[10:26] <Peddyt> debuild says i need some pulseaudio dev stuff.
[10:26] <persia> Oh, right, because it wouldn't have that in Build-Depends, because it wasn't enabled.  I'll dig it up.
[10:26] <Peddyt> it's not so late where i live :)
[10:27] <persia> You aren't in NZ?
[10:27] <persia> Isn't that UTC+12 ?
[10:27] <persia> You need libpulse-dev and pulseaudio.
[10:28] <persia> It seems like you need versions > 0.9.12 though, and intrepid only seems to have 0.9.10, so I don't promise it works.
[10:29] <persia> There's a pulseaudio 0.9.13 in this PPA: https://launchpad.net/~themuso/+archive
[10:29] <persia> That's the person who usually makes changes to pulseaudio in Ubuntu, so I'd expect a reasonably safe PPA, but it is a PPA, so no promises it works, and when it breaks, you get to keep both pieces.
[10:29] <Peddyt> it's 2330 and i do not have school for a while ;)
[10:30] <persia> Oh, +13.  I always forget about DST.
[10:30] <Peddyt> it says i only need 9.11 so i think i'll be ok.
[10:31] <persia> intrepid is only 9.10, but good luck.
[10:31] <Peddyt> ive tried that ppa it crashed ubuntu
[10:31] <persia> Ah.
[10:32] <Peddyt> excuse lack of grammar :/
[10:32] <persia> I suspect it's good as PPAs go, but PPAs are special.
[10:34] <Peddyt> ok i can't really try java stuff using ssh, so i'll leave it to tomorrow
[10:35] <Peddyt> could you pastebin this convo please?
[10:36] <persia> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/01/25/%23ubuntu-java.html doesn't have all of it yet, but it will in about half an hour.
[10:36] <persia> It updates about once an hour.
[10:37] <Peddyt> excellent, thanks.
[10:38] <Peddyt> well, goodnight/day. thanks again.
[15:14] <schmiedc> hi
[15:15] <schmiedc> i am new to packaging and read the debian policy for java
[15:16] <schmiedc> just one question about that. how can i understand the CLASSPATH
[18:49] <|aspire|> hello
[18:49] <|aspire|> is there any one here?
[18:54] <schmiedc> yes
[19:23] <|aspire|> schmiedc: how are you
[19:27] <schmiedc> fine thx, and you?
[21:27] <Peddy> Hi persia, I have installed Pulseaudio from 0.9.13 from themuso's PPA, and like I suspected, I can't log in. It gives the 'session lasted less than 10 seconds' thing with some messages, including "Couldn't exec /usr/bin/pulse-session; no such file or directory". Do you know what could be causing this?
[21:28] <Peddy> Logging into failsafe GNOME works.
[21:31] <Peddy> even with the 0.9.13 libpulse installed, when I'm debuilding openjdk, it still says 'configure: error: Could not find pulseaudio>=0.9.11 libraries -     Try installing pulseaudio-libs-devel>=0.9.11" Do you know why this is?
[21:34]  * Peddy purged and reinstalled, brb


[00:42] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: libxfce4ui 4.17.7 released<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:05] <Unit193> ochosi: That was when I had the red icon, eg mumble or something mic using open.
[06:05] <ochosi> Unit193: haarp has meanwhile reported it too and I've proposed a fix (which also silences pavucontrol) https://gitlab.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin/-/merge_requests/14
[12:26] <Unit193> ochosi: Nice!  I'll have to try that now that it seems to be merged.
[19:41] <ochosi> bluesabre, Unit193: there are a few more PRs pending for pulseaudio plugin, now that I'm a little familiar with the codebase I'd work on getting them in. Would you prefer a 0.4.5 release for xubuntu without those or shall I go ahead?
[19:41] <ochosi> (mostly thinking about the less complex ones like https://gitlab.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin/-/merge_requests/6)
[19:42] <ochosi> and maybe !1, !5 and !8
[21:39] <Unit193> ochosi: ...Personally I'd say a fully featured one would be nice, but then again I'm not as connected with Ubuntu.


[00:04] <birnisson> hi, maybe a faq but are there going to be kde 4.2 beta packages?
[00:05] <Arby> birnisson: yes, we're working on them now
[00:07] <birnisson> Arby: awesome, thanks! looking forward to them
[00:07] <a|wen> Arby: where are they going to be put; PPA or -backports ?
[00:08] <Arby> a|wen: ppa I think but not sure, and possibly jaunty only
[00:08] <Arby> JontheEchidna is coordinating
[00:08] <seele> ergh.. akregator is eating my rss
[00:09] <JontheEchidna> 4.2 beta2 packages are going in to Jaunty first
[00:09] <JontheEchidna> and then into the kubuntu-experimental PPA as time allows
[00:10] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: okay, thx ... did you sort out your libmsn problem?
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> that's not really a problem, just a piece of software that needs packaging
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> probably no way we're going to have it available by tomorrow so kopete'll go msn-less for a bit
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> I claim the "zomg it is teh alphaz" excuse :P
[00:12] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: if it's going into a PPA anyway, why not grab http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/l/libmsn/ ?
[00:12] <JontheEchidna> ooh
[00:12] <a|wen> it has been through a few iterations on the debian-mentors list and looks pretty sane
[00:12] <JontheEchidna> less work for me :D
[00:13] <JontheEchidna> debian++
[00:13] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: not less work, just more time for kde packaging :P :)
[00:13] <JontheEchidna> ha, right you are
[00:16] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: and there is even a good chance it get's into unstable for us to sync at our pleasure when we'll need it "in the real archive"
[00:29] <JontheEchidna> lool: you will be glad to hear that kdesdk 4.1.80 builds fine :-)
[00:29] <JontheEchidna> hopefully we can upload tomorrow
[00:34] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: you wanted libmsn for jaunty, right?
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> ya
[00:35]  * a|wen just finetunes the one from debian mentors
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> <3
[00:37] <JontheEchidna> That way we only have to worry about syncing it/getting an MIR for it before the next alpha
[00:39] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: yeah ... one easy and one a bit harder
[00:39] <JontheEchidna> I've gotten a package MIR'd before. It was a small self-contained plasmoid though :P
[00:46] <a|wen> got one of my package that i maintain in debian MIR'd as well ... but don't know how it happened :)
[00:49]  * NCommander has written MIRs
[00:49] <NCommander> They aren't hard
[00:49] <NCommander> dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library libiris_ksirk.so.2 needed by debian/ksirk/usr/games/ksirk (its RPATH is '').
[00:49] <NCommander> ARGH
[01:06] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: for your pleasure http://awen.dk/packages/libmsn/
[01:09] <JontheEchidna> cool, thanks
[01:11] <a|wen> my pleasure
[01:11]  * a|wen will hit bed now ... see you all tomorrow
[01:21] <jjesse> anyone having problems installing jaunty alpha1?
[01:23]  * JontheEchidna didn't even try installing it
[03:06] <DreadKnight> i have a huge problem
[03:06] <DreadKnight> when i am tring to open something in gimp it just dissappears / crashes
[03:08] <DreadKnight> http://pastebin.com/m26780397
[03:08] <DreadKnight> that's my error log
[03:52] <metellius> is there a daily trunk kde snapshot repository available somewhere? I have things in ark that I need to align together with the rest of 4.2, but my poor little laptop doesn't like compiling for several hours.
[03:58] <ScottK-laptop> metellius: I think project Neon builds nightlys for KDE.
[04:49] <metellius> thanks, I'll check it out
[05:17] <yuriy> anybody else still on kde4 on hardy?
[05:17] <yuriy> i'm getting most of the config modules missing in konqueror
[05:43] <yuriy> apt-file gives me konqueror-kde4: /usr/lib/kde4/lib/kde4/kcm_css.so
[05:43] <yuriy> but I don't have that file
[05:43] <yuriy> as an example of the above
[05:54] <yuriy> but apt-file can't pull info from ppa
[10:09] <Nightrose> yuriy: my eeepc is on hardy still - want me to check something?
[12:31] <apachelogger> neversfelde: official backport should arrive in intrepid-backports soon
[14:19] <lool> JontheEchidna: thanks for the note!
[15:09] <TekkieFreak> bbl
[16:07] <nixternal> rgreening: I see you are my roommate :)
[16:19] <rgreening> nixternal: \o/
[16:19] <rgreening> :P
[17:07] <yuriy> Nightrose: yeah could you see if all the settings in konqueror are there?
[17:07] <yuriy> if you're on 4.1
[17:07] <rgreening> yuiry: remember a while back, we talked about KlamAv and porting to KDE4?
[17:08] <yuriy> vaguely
[17:08] <rgreening> yuriy: I was wondering if it instead made sense to write a python front-end instead?
[17:08] <yuriy> dunno, I don't recall saying I'd do it, maybe I said I'd help a little if someone else was working on it?
[17:09] <rgreening> yuriy: that was to help me :)
[17:09] <yuriy> ah
[17:09] <Nightrose> yuriy: 4.1.3 should be on the eeepc - let me boot it
[17:10] <cbr> will we see the 4.2 beta soon?
[17:13] <Nightrose> yuriy: looks ok here
[17:15] <ScottK> cbr: Yes (for Jaunty first).
[17:15] <cbr> when?
[17:15] <cbr> i'm just anxious :)
[17:15] <ScottK> When it's done, which should be soonish.
[17:19] <ScottK> rgreening: Fundamentally klamav needs porting and upstream doesn't seem to have a lot of time for klamav.  It'd be cool if someone here got interested, but I don't think something pythonish would solve the problem.
[17:20] <yuriy> oh why not?
[17:21] <ScottK> I guess if you want to re-implement the whole thing in Python, it would.
[17:25] <yuriy> Nightrose: actually, I only have 4.1.2 here.. is 4.1.3 not in the same repo?
[17:26] <yuriy> and apt-cache and aptitude show me different versions @_@
[17:30] <rgreening> ScottK: that's what I was thinking, a new app in python that could superceed KlamAv... Not sure which would be easier for me to implement at this time.
[17:33] <apachelogger> ~np
[17:33] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "The Stars (AC Slater remix)" by Moby
[17:35] <ScottK> rgreening: It'd be pretty complex as klamav supports on-access file scanning using the dazuko kernel modules.  I've got that patched out of the Debian/Ubuntu packages as getting those modules into one of our kernels is 'non-trivial'.
[17:35] <ScottK> If it was going to be a true replacement, it'd have to do that.
[17:36] <ScottK> Currently klamav is pretty widely packaged and distros pass clamav integration patches around a lot.
[17:36] <apachelogger> ScottK: shouldn't that kernel stuff be a lot easier with dkms?
[17:36] <ScottK> apachelogger: Probably for someone who understood anything about the kernel.
[17:37] <apachelogger> :)
[17:37] <rgreening> lol
[17:39] <rgreening> porting is not trivial to someone who doesn't a) understand the app inside and out and 2) who is not familiar with all the nuances/differences between 3.x and 4.x. That sort of why I though a ground up approach might actually be easier for me. However, I may take another stab at what it would take to port. I had started the work on porting and got stuck... haven't had a chance to veer back to it.
[17:40] <apachelogger> there is tons of documentation on KDE 3 => KDE 4 and Qt 3 => Qt 4
[17:40] <ScottK> OK.  Maybe if you can get to a certain point, then we can ask questions upstream.
[17:40] <apachelogger> also using git it should be fairly easly to not break everything at once ;-)
[18:09] <ScottK> We keep the KDE CDBS stuff in kde4libs, right?
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: kde4.mk is in cdbs itself
[18:11] <ScottK> Oh.
[18:11] <ScottK> OK.
[18:14] <manchicken> bobesponja: Nice handle :)
[18:16] <bobesponja> manchicken: thanks
[18:33] <devilsadvocate> Intrepid Ibex is amazing. Really, Kubuntu and Xubuntu. I admit I was a bit worried after Hardy, but trying out Intrepid made my day. Thank you all for the great work.
[18:44] <ScottK> devilsadvocate: Thanks.  Glad to hear it.
[18:45] <devilsadvocate> considering how whenever i say something here its to bitch about something, i felt i should come over and say that
[18:47] <manchicken> Heh, that's funny.
[18:55] <manchicken> Does the latest NM support openvpn?
[19:46] <^seelenn^> nixternal: ping
[19:46] <^seelenn^> jjesse: ping
[19:46] <jjesse> ^seelenn^ pong
[19:46] <^seelenn^> I've put up a mock up of help:/kubuntu/index.html - go to http://www.testsite.webmonkeydesigns.co.uk
[19:46] <^seelenn^> Obviously open it up in Konqueror and let me know what you think
[19:46] <^seelenn^> None of the links work by the way
[19:46] <jjesse> will do, looks good in firefox
[19:48] <jjesse> ^seelenn^: in konquror on my dell mini (1000*600) it runs together
[19:48] <jjesse> but looks decent
[19:48] <jjesse> don't have a bigger screen right now
[19:48] <jjesse> in firefox on my vista laptop it looks great
[19:49] <^seelenn^> I could fix making it more suitable for smaller screens
[19:49] <jjesse> that shouldn't be the primary use case though
[19:49] <^seelenn^> true
[19:50] <ScottK> So if all Launchpad translations have to be BSD licensed, how do we pull in upstream translations from GPL projects?
[19:50] <jjesse> i don't think we do?
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> ^seelenn^: the KDE logo looks very KDE3
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> other than that it looks great
[19:55] <^seelenn^> Hi JontheEchidna, thanks for letting me know, know where I can find a good looking one more up to date?
[19:56] <^seelenn^> I took the images off the current help:/kubuntu so it's got a few out of date images
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> ^seelenn^: http://amarok.kde.org/amarokwiki/images/4/4b/Kde-128.png
[19:57] <^seelenn^> thank you muchly
[19:58] <jjesse> ^seelenn^:  thinking more on the help.kubuntu.org and i really enjoy the look and feel of it.  looks a lot like the help documentation that is installed on the system
[20:05] <ScottK> jjesse: We don't use the upstream translations at all?
[20:20] <NCommander> JontheEchidna, invite to bunker please
[20:20] <NCommander> er
[20:20] <NCommander> crap
[20:28] <jjesse> ScottK: i hvae no idea how to respond, but i don't understand the license thing one bit
[20:28] <jjesse> my comment was mostly sarcastic
[20:51] <apachelogger> jjesse: the icons make my eyes bleed
[20:52] <jjesse> apachelogger: on  the help site?
[20:53] <apachelogger> yes
[20:53] <apachelogger> jjesse: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/index/
[20:53] <apachelogger> jjesse: also the theme should be mostly identical with the one ryanakca is coming up for the wiki IMHO
[20:54] <jjesse> refer to ^seelenn^
[20:54] <jjesse> apachelogger: i agree i know ^seelenn^ did  a mockup only
[20:54] <apachelogger> the KDE logo really needs to become a kubuntu logo
[20:54] <apachelogger> but
[20:54] <apachelogger> what is really disturbing me is the icon size
[20:54] <apachelogger> the current one is far too small
[20:55]  * ^seelenn^ takes some notes
[20:55] <^seelenn^> thanks for the feedback apachelogger, I'll work on a version 2
[20:55] <apachelogger> I like the concept, much better organized than the current one
[20:56] <^seelenn^> apachelogger: mind if I take the icons on the link you posted?
[20:56] <^seelenn^> and I'll make them bigger to avoid bleeding :)
[20:57] <jjesse> i like it when apachelogger's eye bleed :)
[20:57] <apachelogger> ^seelenn^: you might want to run apt-get source kdebase-runtime, somewhere within that source tree you will find the oxygen icon set
[20:58] <apachelogger> special versions for small sizes and SVGs and stuff
[21:00] <^seelenn^> thanks


[10:18] <xnox> ev: windows8 Release Preview is available free to download, and wubi has a regression
[10:18] <xnox> bug 1042159
[10:18] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1042159 in wubi "[regression since 12.04] wubi won't boot when Windows8 is hibernated (default)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1042159
[10:19] <ev> ugh!
[11:40] <xnox> ev: the interesting bit is that "11.10/11.04" supposedly "works" with windows8.... but now?! ntfs-3g wiping hibernate file?
[11:40] <xnox> ev: btw I did download Windows 8 RP, wondering how it will act up with os-prober & ubiquity
[11:41] <ev> xnox: because the version of ntfs-3g in 11.10 probably happily ignores the hibernated system and mounts anyway
[11:42] <xnox> ev: and it's not like anything useful is available in the hibernate state, e.g. unsaved apps/games/etc
[11:42] <xnox> ev: but it looks like win8 now defaults to hibernation =/
[11:42] <xnox> ev: should wubi disable hibernation?
[11:43] <ev> xnox: it probably does suspend plus hibernation for the sleep state
[11:44] <ev> or are you suggesting that it replaces power off with hibernation?
[11:46] <xnox> ev: one of the features is "Hybrid Boot will use hibernation technology to allow faster startup times by saving the Windows core's memory to the hard disk and reloading it upon boot."
[11:46] <xnox> usb-creator rip-off =) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_To_Go
[11:48] <ev> :)
[11:48] <ev> xnox: sure, but that just sounds like hybrid suspend
[11:49] <ev> if they're hibernating on shutdown instead of just a regular power off, then the problem is a bit more tricky
[13:32] <ogra_> xnox, someone shoudl put usb-creator in the references (so MS cant patent it because prior-art is already listed ;) )
[13:33] <xnox> ogra_: I am sure there were emacs pre-compiled bootable flopies in the 90s does that count as "fully featured OS on removal storage"?
[13:33] <xnox> s/removal/removable/
[13:34] <ogra_> it does, but not for "portable USB install"
[13:34] <ogra_> :)
[13:35]  * xnox is off to publish usb-creator with emacs preinstalled booting into full-screen mode like ubiquity
[13:35] <ogra_> haha
[20:37] <dylan-m> Hey, I think I need to give various people a nudge about my merge requests at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-defaults-builder/+bug/1035806. Should I start a thread on a mailing list somewhere? :)
[20:37] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1035806 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu "Please support customization of ubiquity-slideshow through defaults builder" [Undecided,Fix released]


[02:33] <tonyyarusso> bah, I wish he wouldn't keep logging off :S
[02:35] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: It is rather difficult to answer questions when he disappears afterwards.
[16:55] <_diablo-server> Hello all. anyone here at the installfest
[17:34] <tonyyarusso> _diablo-server: Not yet, but I'm about to head on over.
[17:34] <tonyyarusso> How's turnout?
[17:45] <_diablo-server> tonyyarusso: all full up again
[17:45] <_diablo-server> people filtering in and out, but good times
[17:45] <_diablo-server> Hola ColinHarrington
[17:45] <_diablo-server> you coming to the installfest?
[17:45] <ColinHarrington> negative
[17:45] <ColinHarrington> Not this time around
[17:46] <_diablo-server> sadness
[17:46] <ColinHarrington> Yea, but I'm home playing with my kids instead so it'll work out
[17:48] <_diablo-server> ColinHarrington: fun! enjoy that then. probably more important than hanging out with the nerds :)
[17:50] <tonyyarusso> all right, off I go
[17:53] <ColinHarrington> _diablo-server: I'm hanging out with future nerds.
[17:59] <_diablo-server> ColinHarrington: morph them well
[18:04] <FloatingGoat> O.O
[18:05] <_diablo-server> o/ FloatingGoat
[18:05] <FloatingGoat> whens the party again O.O
[18:06] <_diablo-server> FloatingGoat: ongoing now
[18:06] <_diablo-server> until 5
[18:06] <_diablo-server> at TIES
[18:06] <FloatingGoat> OH SHEt
[18:06] <FloatingGoat> I thought it was at 6
[18:07] <FloatingGoat> okay well im going to get a phone there
[18:07] <_diablo-server> FloatingGoat: nah, come over though, there are like 30 people right now
[18:07] <FloatingGoat> so i may be a little late O.O
[18:07] <_diablo-server> np np, get here when you get here
[18:07] <_diablo-server> I'll be gone from 2-3:30ish, but I'll be back after
[18:07] <FloatingGoat> after?
[18:08] <_diablo-server> from 3:30 till 5
[18:08] <_diablo-server> but everyone will be here
[18:12] <FloatingGoat> \okay cool
[18:12] <FloatingGoat> im just about to head out in like 5 mins
[18:13] <FloatingGoat> so i will be there in about 20-30
[18:16] <FloatingGoat> _diablo-server: how are you talking, if you're there?
[18:21] <_diablo-server> FloatingGoat: they have wireless...
[18:21] <_diablo-server> and I'm ssh'd to my server at home
[18:25] <FloatingGoat> _diablo-server: hey, in hopkins right?
[18:30] <FloatingGoat> _diablo-server: I dont think we're on the same page here O.O
[18:32] <FloatingGoat> _diablo-server: where are you?
[18:36] <FloatingGoat> well i'm going to hopkins
[18:42] <_diablo-server> FloatingGoat: no! this is the one in st paul
[18:42] <_diablo-server> larpenteur and snelling
[18:46] <_diablo-server> FloatingGoat: tonyyarusso just said that the hopkins one is in the evening
[19:05] <Jay-Cee> The Hopkins meet up is at 6:00.....Right?
[19:16] <tonyyarusso> Jay-Cee: Yes, 6:00 is correct.
[19:17] <Jay-Cee> Thanks Tony, I look forward to meeting everyone attending
[20:08] <fisch246> less than 4 hours :D
[20:12] <Takyoji[laptop]> And it took me 2 hours to get to TIES, after missing a turn--twice (different turns, of course)
[21:54] <fisch246> 2 hours >.>
[23:02] <fisch246> 1 hour
[23:02] <fisch246> tonyyarusso: i'm assuming you're at the PU party right now... but if you're not... you ready to party it up :D


[00:45] <nerdy_ass> What does acpi=off mean?
[00:46] <nerdy_ass> I am using it to boot into Ubuntu
[00:46] <nerdy_ass> But whenever i shut it down it get stuck
[00:49] <daftykins> yes because ACPI is off
[00:50] <daftykins> the advanced host configuration and power interface allows intelligent power management features between the OS and the BIOS
[00:52] <nerdyass> Sorry i am a newbie idk where to start
[00:52] <daftykins> well booting with a kernel boot parameter is not the start :)
[00:52] <daftykins> also this isn't a support channel, that's #ubuntu
[00:52] <nerdyass> Ohh thanks
[00:53] <Bashing-om> nerdyass: Meet you there :)
[00:53] <nerdyass> Yois
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> 26mb bionic updates
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> humanity theme & vlc
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> !info vlc bionic
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> morning EriC^^
[06:49] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[06:49] <EriC^^> what's up my man?
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> playing bionic :p
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: you got a bug launchpad mate?
[06:51] <EriC^^> haha
[06:51] <EriC^^> i think ive a launchpad account yeah
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> i was thinking to gather all the crews bug pages
[06:52] <EriC^^> why?
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> just for mass solving
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> so we know each others url's
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> and help to get a faster community solving
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> i know ducasse alkisg oerheks Tj got bug pages and me
[06:54] <EriC^^> https://launchpad.net/~ej-112
[06:54] <EriC^^> i've submitted 0 bugs though :P
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: your on xenial right?
[06:55] <EriC^^> yeah
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: know what you will choose for bionic?
[06:56] <EriC^^> unity if its supported still
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> cool
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> im not sure yet what to do...
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> future is in making
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> i wish ubuntu desktop would be extremely usuable of course
[06:58] <EriC^^> yeah
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> for both high end/low end machines
[06:59] <alkisg> Good morning everyone
[06:59] <EriC^^> morning alkisg
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> hey alkisg morning mate
[07:01]  * alkisg will select Ubuntu MATE because he still has to maintain a few hundred pentium 4's...
[07:01] <alkisg> gnome/unity require 3d, so they're extremely slow therer
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> ah i see alkisg
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> https://hastebin.com/ikokabevuj.scala
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> anyone else want adding his bug page, let me know
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: :p
[07:33] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: :D
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> got a launchpad Bashing-om ?
[07:36] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Not a bug one : https://launchpad.net/~bashing-om ,
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx Bashing-om
[07:59] <ducasse> good morning all
[08:21] <Bashing-om> And outta here again . g nite all \o
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> merry xmass days for all ; )
[13:01] <BluesKaj> Hi folks and Merry Christmas!
[13:02] <pauljw> hi everyone
[13:07] <BluesKaj> hi pauljw, Merry Christmas!
[13:09] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj, thanks, same to you and yours. :)  we don't celebrate, but i appreciate the thought.
[13:13] <BluesKaj> thanks pauljw...well I'm happy to have my daughter home for the Holiday...it always bothers me when the kids have to drive long distances this time of year
[13:22] <pauljw> glad she made it home safely, it's a rough time of year for driving.
[13:26] <BluesKaj> yeah flying isn't much of an option since the nearest airport is 65 miles away...we live in the boonies
[13:28] <ducasse> \o guys
[13:28] <pauljw> hi ducasse :)
[13:29] <BluesKaj> hey ducasse, Merry Christmas!
[13:29] <ducasse> merry xmas, BluesKaj :)
[13:30] <BluesKaj> thanks
[13:31] <BluesKaj> that aussie just wanted to rant about windows, hopelessly helpless :-)
[13:32] <pauljw> :)
[13:33] <ducasse> nothing we could do for him, at least :)
[13:33] <BluesKaj> made some concrete suggestions which he rejected out of hand
[13:36] <pauljw> saw that, he should just call geeksquad and be done with it.
[13:38] <BluesKaj> he should have stayed with W7
[13:49] <pauljw> yep, he is the perfect windows user.  hope he never figures out how to install linux. :)
[13:51] <ducasse> looked like the odds of that happening are low :)
[13:58] <BluesKaj> he probly doesn't have the patience nor the desire


[00:28] <IrCYop> How do you get the a password screen on xfce4 after a screen saver begins and you move your mouse
[00:29] <bassboi> applications ~> settings ~> settings manager ~> screen saver ~> check box that says lock screen when screen saver is active
[01:54] <kenyon> hi. i just installed a fresh xubuntu from the 8.04.1 desktop cd. why does ssh server reject connection by default?
[01:57] <kenyon> ...because it is not installed
[01:59] <kenyon> sorry i was stupid
[01:59] <zoredache> we will forgive you this time... :p
[02:00] <kenyon> i installed it before but wirh the wrong package name and did not realize
[02:01] <kenyon> so i tghought there is some secret activation required or firewall
[03:03] <crimsun> kenyon: yeah, we have sekrit runez.
[03:28] <kenyon> i knew there was something behind the x
[03:52] <bassboi> can i install xubuntu from the internet via a terminal?
[03:58] <coldhak>  i've just gotten a usb headset, and i'm trying to set it as my default sound device. Audacious and the xfce4-mixer detect it, and play/control it just fine, but asoundconf doesn't detect it. did i forget to do something? can't find any data on this via google.
[03:59] <coldhak> google's rather sparse on xfce+usb stuff
[04:01] <lunch> how to tell if you are allocating too much memory for video? i am using share memory. 768 mb ram
[04:12] <gko> Hi.
[04:12] <bassboi> Howdy partner
[04:12] <coldhak> hallo
[04:13] <gko> How big in memory is xubuntu, compared to (k)ubuntu ?
[04:13] <gko> I have a 320 Mo / Pentium II 366 Mhz laptop.
[04:14] <coldhak> not sure how big, but it's smaller :/
[04:14] <gko> I'm trying Ubuntu running with ratpoison but, of course, there is some Ubuntu stuff running that eats the memory.
[04:15] <coldhak> you might try running something a little lighter weight, like fluxbox
[04:17] <gko> I have tried minimalist distributions, but, paradoxically, it looks like those won't contain stuff needed to run old hardware (without doing patching stuff)...
[04:18] <coldhak> ...that's pretty odd
[04:19] <coldhak> dunno. i've never really messed with my older systems
[04:19] <coldhak> they gather dust in the corner :/
[04:20] <lunch> how to change splash screen to x buntu at boot time?
[04:20] <coldhak> hello there
[04:24] <coldhak> damn, i know the answer to that one.
[04:25] <bassboi> do you know how to install xubuntu from the internet frmo a terminal
[04:26] <bassboi> my cd is scratched up but no blanks
[04:39] <coldhak> 1) go next door 2) have friend dl cd from internet 3) have friend burn cd 4) install from cd
[04:39] <coldhak> dunno what else to say :/
[04:51] <wols_> bassboi: is there an OS already on that disk?
[04:52] <wols_> the PC you want to put xubuntu on that is
[04:52] <lunch> how to display date on desktop bar?
[04:58] <coldhak> damnit, why doesn't he wait for the answer >.<
[04:58] <bassboi> wols_, nope
[04:58] <bassboi> it's all partitioned up too
[04:58] <bassboi> 4g boot, 2g swap, the rest as /home
[04:58] <wols_> then you obviously can't. you need a way to boot the machine first to some OS
[04:59] <wols_> well anything but DOS...
[04:59] <bassboi> well
[04:59] <bassboi> i can boot the live CD
[04:59] <bassboi> just the cd is corrupt
[05:00] <bassboi> full of scratches n crap
[05:00] <bassboi> and no blanks :(
[05:00] <wols_> then you can
[05:00] <wols_> debootrstrap for example
[05:00] <coldhak> happen to have a different cd? maybe an older ubuntu?
[05:12] <bassboi> gots mythbuntu
[05:12] <bassboi> tho i dont want that
[05:17] <coldhak> you could install mythbuuntu, then uninstall all the tv-related junk, and install xfce and all that
[05:17] <j1mc> bassboi: you have a 4gb boot partition.  did you mean root partition?
[05:17] <bassboi> it's mounted as /
[05:17] <bassboi> root, yz
[05:17] <j1mc> bassboi: is the mythbuntu cd a live cd, or an alternate cd?
[05:17] <bassboi> live
[05:18] <j1mc> if it were the alternate cd, you could install a command line version of mythbuntu, and then just install xubuntu desktop.
[05:20] <bassboi> yzyz
[05:20] <bassboi> ty
[05:20] <bassboi> i may have found a random blank
[05:20] <bassboi> i think i did
[06:11] <lunch> how to change boot screen to x buntu?
[06:11] <lunch> !boot
[06:14] <coldhak> it's in the settings manager under splash screen
[06:14] <coldhak> select simple -> configure, then select your image
[06:19] <lunch> coldhak, no, not that one, the ONE right after grub
[06:19] <coldhak> oh, that one....nifty
[07:50] <lunch> how to set settings, so that , when i move files from one folder into the next will work correctly? currently it just do COPY, so i end up having two copies
[07:53] <zoredache> I believe if you hold down the shift or alt key when you do your drag and drop it will move
[08:02] <lunch> zoredache, yes, only partly true. it works if you are inside thunar, but on the desktop of xfce, it's not thunar, and it will not work
[08:07] <zoredache> hrmph...  I usually ignore the desktop
[08:10] <lunch> zoredache, be better if i can disable desktop navigation
[08:10] <lunch> disable read write
[08:10] <lunch> wait... i think i can, chmod
[08:10] <lunch> not sure if system will write stuff to it, beside me
[08:23] <lunch2> zoredache, /
[08:30] <lunch2> how to start two sessions at the same time? gnome and xfce
[08:39] <lunch2> how to take screen shot in xfc?
[08:48] <coldhak> i use the panel screenshot thing
[08:48] <coldhak> there's a shell command or three for it too, though i don't recall what it is
[08:52] <lunch2> gnome just need to hit print screen
[08:52] <lunch2> coldhak,
[08:52] <coldhak> huh?
[08:55] <coldhak> well, doesn't appear to work as easily for me in xfce.
[08:55] <lunch2> coldhak, in gnome,i only need to hit print screen key
[08:55] <coldhak> yeah, and like i just said, that's not working for me
[08:56] <coldhak> and you asked about xfce. i use xfce, i supplied my method.
[08:56] <lunch2>  gnome-panel-screenshot  ; run this command and switch to your screen real fast.
[08:57] <coldhak> i will look up why the print screen button doesn't work though
[08:57] <lunch2> help if u have slow computer, so you will have enough time to switch screen =)
[08:58] <coldhak> <.< if you use the panel widget, you can adjust the delay
[08:58] <lunch2> helps
[09:08] <coldhak> ...why's that guy keep leaving? right before i find his answer too
[09:50] <gbjk> Good morning.
[09:51] <gbjk> I have a fairly stupid question, but I just want to be sure: I have Xubuntu GG installed. I want to upgrade to HH. Using the update manager appears to be a bad idea. It seems that doing so would upgrade to plain ubuntu, installing most of gnome. Is that correct?
[09:55] <coldhak> no, if you're running xubuntu, and you upgrade via the update manager, it upgrades to xubuntu's next version
[10:36] <gbjk> coldhak: That's surprising.
[10:36] <gbjk> coldhak: I downloaded the iso xubuntu image, and the packages that concerned me aren't listed.
[10:40] <gbjk> coldhak: + the info page for 8.04 you get when you click "upgrade" shows ubuntu with no mention of xubuntu anywhere.
[10:41] <gbjk> /etc/apt/sources.list doesn't mention xubuntu except for the two cdrom options.
[10:46] <coldhak> ...that's strange. i upgraded my desktop just a few weeks ago
[10:51] <gbjk> coldnak: I must be wrong.
[10:52] <gbjk> So in order to upgrade, I can just use the normal package manager?
[10:53] <gbjk> And it won't go installing all the unwanted gnome packages?
[10:53] <gbjk> The xubuntu website upgrade from 7.10 page points you to downloading an ISO, which is why I ask.
[10:56]  * gbjk tries upgrading a desktop running compiz fusion too first.
[11:19] <Raz0R> can anyone help me, i cant get a dhcp offer using wireless. ethernet works fine but no wireless?
[11:33] <gbjk> Raz0R: You can see the thing with iwlist scan?
[11:34] <gbjk> Raz0R: And you've connected to it with iwconfig?
[11:34] <gbjk> If so dhcpcd and dhclient are the two subsequent commands.
[11:34] <Raz0R> gbjk i see the ap with iwlist scan
[11:35] <Raz0R> gbjk i have not heard of this ipconfig?
[11:35] <gbjk> iwconfig
[11:35] <gbjk> iwconfig ethX and see if you're actually connected to the thing.
[11:35] <Raz0R> ok
[11:35] <Raz0R> iws wlan0
[11:35] <Raz0R> its*
[11:36] <gbjk> Gah, yes, of course
[11:36] <Raz0R> essid: off/any
[11:36] <Raz0R> thing is, ive tried sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid MYESSID but it doesnt seem to be storing the value i set
[11:36] <gbjk> IIRC you're missing set from that
[11:38] <gbjk> Nope, IRW. No set required.
[11:38] <gbjk> Raz0R: iwlist shows you a essid, but iwconfig won't show it after you set it?
[11:38]  * gbjk suspects some silly gui applet of interferring.
[11:39] <Raz0R> gbjk lol ok well i have removed network manager and have installed wicd
[11:39] <Raz0R> but i also have kwifimanager installed, and wifi radar
[11:39] <gbjk> Bloody hell.
[11:40] <Raz0R> lol, remove?
[11:41] <Raz0R> shall i just leave wicd?
[11:41] <gbjk> God knows. I have no familiarity with any of those.
[11:42] <gbjk> I know I've achieved wifi on many laptops by manual config where applets failed, and I don't bother with them anymore.
[11:42] <gbjk> Exception being... whatever I have running right now that shows my connection. It seems to be unobtrusive.
[11:45] <Raz0R> do you know what it is?
[11:46] <Raz0R> ok ive just removed all the gui applets and now i just have network manager installed
[12:15] <gbjk> Oh FFS.
[12:16] <gbjk> Either xubuntu has stopped using xfce4, or xfce4 isn't using much xfce anymore.
[12:16] <gbjk> Cos post upgrade, I have gnoe-panel, gnome -settings-daemon, etc all running
[12:16] <gbjk> And no xfce in sight.
[12:18] <gbjk> Ah, that's right, this system actually had gnome installed, so it went to that because the default login session was lost
[12:23] <si10cybin> hello
[12:24] <si10cybin> i was hoping someone could give me some basic advice ...
[12:24] <si10cybin> i just installed xubuntu on a machine and seem to have come unstuck
[12:24] <si10cybin> the root user seems to have been deleted
[12:24] <si10cybin> i am new to linux
[12:25] <gbjk> I would be amazed if that had happened.
[12:25] <si10cybin> synaptic says error "user root does not exist" and exits
[12:25] <gbjk> finger root ?
[12:25] <gbjk> heh, that's ... very impressive.
[12:25] <si10cybin> finger root says "no such user"
[12:25] <gbjk> I wonder if you can sudo without a superuser to do as.
[12:25] <si10cybin> sudo -i say "no passwd entry for root!"
[12:26] <si10cybin> applications/system/users and groups is blank and won't let me add a user
[12:26] <si10cybin> any ideas?
[12:29] <si10cybin> anybody?
[12:31] <gbjk> what does /etc/passwd say?
[12:32] <si10cybin> one moment
[12:34] <si10cybin> there are two files with the name passwd
[12:35] <si10cybin> the first contains my username, I can give you the string if it helps
[12:35] <si10cybin> the second is unable to be accessed via the file manager, 'permission denied'
[12:35] <si10cybin> i am new to linux so if there is another way to access this file please tell me
[12:35] <gbjk> I'm going to have to leave you to it - Need to leave.
[12:36] <si10cybin> ok thanks anyway
[12:36] <gbjk> si10cybin: I suspect you need to re-install to get the quickest fix for your current kill level.
[12:36] <si10cybin> !!!
[12:36] <gbjk> si10cybin: Instal only takes 20 mins, not so bad?
[12:36] <gbjk> si10cybin: Do you know what you did to delete it, btw? I've never seen anyone do that before by accident.
[12:37] <si10cybin> i was trying to install a printer, and came across old instructions that involved creating a cups username and then accessing an administrative panel through the web browser
[12:37] <si10cybin> there were no usernames in the user settings to begin with
[12:38] <si10cybin> all i did was delete the group that I created when i realised there is a print manager
[12:38] <si10cybin> it shouldn't be that easy for a newbie to kill an install
[12:41] <gbjk> It really shouldn't, no.
[12:42] <si10cybin> oh well
[12:42] <si10cybin> i'm trying over in the ubuntu channel to see if anyone there can give me some advice.
[12:42] <si10cybin> thanks
[15:35] <FreeBullets> >_> i accidentally downloaded, burnt, installed, and setup the wrong xubuntu version
[15:42] <bassboi> auto auto update :D
[15:51] <JinKazama> The Pidgin IRC chat ... :)
[15:51] <JinKazama> its new for me :)
[18:27] <Raz0R> i have got my wireless internet connection working with wep, can anyone help me set it up with wpa or wpa2 psk please?
[18:32] <vinnl> Raz0R, have you already tried it?
[18:33] <Raz0R> vinnl no i am not sure how to go about it
[18:33] <vinnl> Raz0R, the same way you did WEP
[18:34] <Raz0R> vinnl i used wifi radar to set it up. to do wpa it says driver:
[18:34] <Raz0R> what do i put there?
[18:34] <Raz0R> ndiswrapper, wext, ?
[18:34] <vinnl> Raz0R, that depends on your card, I have about zero experience with wifi-radar
[18:35] <vinnl> Are you using ndiswrapper that you are aware of?
[18:35] <Raz0R> vinnl yeah i am using it
[18:35] <Raz0R> vinnl but i have read that i should use wext anyway, im just a bit confused
[18:35] <Raz0R> vinnl its taken about a week to get wep working lol
[18:35] <vinnl> Raz0R, I'd say just try both :)
[18:36] <Raz0R> vinnl would i just type it in the box ?
[18:36] <vinnl> Raz0R, what?
[18:37] <TheSheep> doesn't nm-applet make it a single-click operation?
[18:37] <Raz0R> vinnl it says wpa driver then a text box. do i just put "ndiswrapper"?
[18:38] <luissss> hola
[18:38] <luissss> hello
[18:38] <j1mc> hola
[18:39] <luissss> si hablan español aqui?
[18:39] <luissss> que bien
[18:39] <luissss> hola jlmc
[18:39] <vinnl> Raz0R, I guess so - as said, I haven't really used it
[18:40] <j1mc> luissss: lo siento, no hablo espanol
[18:40] <j1mc> solamente un poco  :(  ??
[18:40] <luissss> algun sitio en español que que se refiera a xubuntu?
[18:40] <j1mc> luissss: donde esta?  mexico?
[18:41] <luissss> i need help with my xubuntu
[18:41] <luissss> asi es
[18:41] <j1mc> luissss: en espanol - join #ubuntu-es
[18:41] <luissss> de méxico
[18:41] <j1mc> or you can write english here.  :)
[18:41] <j1mc> what do you need help with?
[18:42] <luissss> ok thaks jlmc
[18:42] <luissss> i can use a traslator?
[18:43] <j1mc> ok
[18:43] <luissss> I have problems with my xubuntu, suddenly puts the black screen
[18:44] <j1mc> when does that happen?  when you click something?
[18:46] <luissss> yes
[18:46] <luissss> mmm
[18:46] <j1mc> luissss: i think you could probably find better support (support in spanish) in #ubuntu-es
[18:47] <j1mc> it would be easier.  :)
[18:47] <luissss> when I open one or but programs, I happen to me yesterday when it tries open gambas, mono, firefox and @msn
[18:48] <luissss> ok
[18:48] <j1mc> lo siento  :/
[18:49] <luissss> don worry
[18:49] <Raz0R> k
[18:49] <luissss> lo entiendo
[18:49] <luissss> muchas gracias Jlmc
[18:50] <j1mc> no aye es una problema  :)
[18:51] <luissss> ok
[18:51] <luissss> im go
[18:51] <luissss> see you Jlmc
[18:51] <luissss> and tahnk you
[19:06] <Raz0R> can anyoone help me set up wpa in wifi radar
[19:26] <Raz0R> how do i set a command to run at boottime
[19:31] <sirjoebob> hey all... i am running xubuntu 8.04 and i use a highly customized gui environment. HOWEVER, when i run programs meant for KDE, they dont follow all the same visual style rules. is there a way to change this?
[19:32] <vinnl> sirjoebob, you could set a Qt-theme similar to your GTK-theme, and I believe there also was an effort for a Qt theme engine that copies your GTK theme, but that's probably not stable yet
[19:33] <vinnl> sirjoebob, you can also do it the other way around: install gtk-qt-engine and have all your GTK applications pick up the Qt theme
[19:33] <sirjoebob> stable is not for me anyways... bleeding-edge ftw. :) i will try that
[19:34] <sirjoebob> thanks for the tip
[19:34] <vinnl> ^.^
[19:48] <sirjoebob> thanks for the tip/quit
[19:54] <wbmj> Hello all
[21:58] <slow-motion> hi
[21:58] <vinnl> Hey slow-motion
[21:59] <slow-motion> hi vinnl
[21:59] <neozen-work> salutations all
[22:03] <Raz0R> FINALLY i am connected via WPA hahha
[22:04] <vinnl> Raz0R, yay! :)
[22:04] <Raz0R> vinnl haha lol spent over a week trying
[22:04] <vinnl> Raz0R, so what did the trick?
[22:05] <Raz0R> vinnl i removed all networking gui software like nm, wicd, etc
[22:05] <neozen-work> LoL
[22:05] <Raz0R> installed wifi radar, set up wpa supplicant with about a hundred diff configurations until one finally worked
[22:05] <vinnl> That must've been of great relief ;-)
[22:07] <neozen-work> nothing more frustrating then having hardware take forever to convince to do something sane
[22:07] <neozen-work> ....*damn macs
[22:07]  * neozen-work grins
[22:08] <Raz0R> lol
[22:09] <Raz0R> i think it was a good thing though as i have no experience with linux before this, and i think ive learnt more this way than if i had just been working properly from plug in :)
[22:09] <Raz0R> ...maybe
[22:09] <vinnl> Yeah, but then again... It's nice if things Just Work :P
[22:10] <Raz0R> vinnl actually, yes it was most antagonizing
[22:11] <Raz0R> there is one more thing i need help with
[22:11] <neozen-work> I've found the do it yourself option works quite well, provided documentation is both adequate and open for change
[22:12] <Raz0R> i need to get wpa_supplicant to start at boot time, along with wifi radar
[22:12] <Raz0R> wifi radar is done sorry, just need to run this at startup sudo wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf - can anyone tell me how?
[22:13] <vinnl> Does it need to run when you boot up or when you log in? (I only know how to do the latter :( )
[22:13] <Raz0R> when i login will do as im the only user
[22:14] <Raz0R> yeah im not gonna need remote login or anything
[22:14] <vinnl> Raz0R, then you can do it using Autostarted Applications from Applications->Settings->Settings Manager
[22:14] <vinnl> (Or do some Googling :)
[22:15] <Raz0R> vinnl lol thanks
[22:17] <Raz0R> ok lol. lets see if it still works after a reboot
[22:17] <Raz0R> wish me luck :D
[22:18] <vinnl> Good luck :)
[22:34] <si10cybin> anyone able to help with a missing /etc/group?
[22:40] <TheSheep> si10cybin: might be difficult
[22:41] <TheSheep> si10cybin: some of the GIDs are generated, and thenumbers depend on the order in which you install things
[22:41] <TheSheep> si10cybin: but here's mine if that helps you: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/81076/
[22:42] <si10cybin> thanks
[22:42] <si10cybin> it's a new install, i have only installed ndiswrapper on top of the default
[22:42] <si10cybin> i was thinking of copying the default off of the install cd
[22:43] <si10cybin> i am in the recovery console of the install cd, (recovery console in grub doesn't work)
[22:43] <si10cybin> i am new to linux
[22:43] <si10cybin> could you please guide me how to find the file on the cd and copy it?
[22:43] <TheSheep> it should be in /etc/group
[22:44] <si10cybin> it's missing
[22:44] <si10cybin> oh you mean on the cd
[22:44] <si10cybin> forgive the noob
[22:44] <TheSheep> when you are running the livecd, / is different than your hdd
[22:44] <si10cybin> it's the alternative install cd
[22:45] <TheSheep> you will have to mount your partition
[22:45] <si10cybin> it mounted the partition
[22:45] <TheSheep> your system partition, I think there is an option for that on the alt cd
[22:45] <TheSheep> ok, now switch to second console with alt+ctrl+f2
[22:45] <si10cybin> ok
[22:46] <si10cybin> done
[22:46] <TheSheep> you should see the livecd's /etc/group there, when you do: ls /etc/group
[22:46] <si10cybin> when i type that it responds with one line saying '/etc/group'
[22:46] <TheSheep> yes, that's correct
[22:46] <si10cybin> cool
[22:47] <TheSheep> type 'mount' to see where your system partition is mounted
[22:48] <si10cybin> is it the one that is type ext2?
[22:48] <TheSheep> yes, it's probably something like /target
[22:48] <TheSheep> or /media/something
[22:48] <si10cybin> it says '/dev/sda1 on /target'
[22:48] <TheSheep> great
[22:49] <TheSheep> now, type: ls /target/etc/group
[22:49] <amirman> i'm thinking of installing xubuntu on a laptop for a computer illiterate relative, what are the drawbacks of xubuntu on this front compared to ubuntu?
[22:49] <si10cybin> it says /target/etc/group
[22:49] <slow-motion> do i get 8.04.1 automatic when i make the normal updates?
[22:49] <TheSheep> amirman: less programs, the programs have less automation, some things have to be configured in terminal, not with gui
[22:50] <crimsun> slow-motion: hardy-updates and hardy-security, yes.
[22:50] <amirman> TheSheep: this user will only be using the internet and play some simple games, how much configuring would i have to do before i can give them the laptop?
[22:51] <TheSheep> amirman: how is the internet connected?
[22:51] <slow-motion> thx crimsun
[22:51] <TheSheep> si10cybin: this means the file exists
[22:51] <si10cybin> ok
[22:51] <TheSheep> si10cybin: cat /target/etc/group will show its contents
[22:51] <amirman> TheSheep: well they dont have a router set up as of now, but i'm guessing they will get one and use it wirelessly
[22:52] <si10cybin> it only has three lines in it
[22:52] <si10cybin> shadow:x:42
[22:52] <TheSheep> amirman: then it all depends on whether the wireless card in the laptop is supported natively
[22:52] <si10cybin> nogroup:x:65534:
[22:52] <TheSheep> si10cybin: ok, ok
[22:52] <si10cybin> nathan:x:1000:
[22:53] <TheSheep> si10cybin: so, if you are decided to copy the one from livecd, do: cp /etc/group /target/etc/group
[22:53] <amirman> TheSheep: not sure, it's a dell d505, i'm not sure what wireless device is in it though
[22:53] <TheSheep> si10cybin: you will also have to edit it and change the name of the group 1000 to 'nathan', it will be probably 'ubuntu' or something like that
[22:53] <si10cybin> ok
[22:53] <amirman> TheSheep: wait i see now, it's broadcom B43
[22:53] <si10cybin> what command to edit it?
[22:54] <TheSheep> si10cybin: nano /target/etc/group
[22:54] <TheSheep> si10cybin: then ctrl+x to save and exit
[22:54] <si10cybin> actually the one on the cd only has 'root:x:0:'
[22:55] <si10cybin> but i think i cant restore it from here
[22:55] <si10cybin> there's some weblinks i found
[22:55] <si10cybin> thanks
[22:56] <rabby> hello
[22:57] <TheSheep> amirman: I'm not sure whether it's supported, you should check the wiki. that's one thing that might require some setting up
[22:57] <rabby> why does apt-get install linux-restricted-modules  not install the fcpci on my system although the package's description says it did?!
[22:58] <TheSheep> rabby: what's fcpci and how do you tell it's not installed?
[23:00] <th0r> rabby, it should be in /lib/linux-restricted-modules
[23:00] <rabby> TheSheep: AVM ISDN Fritz!Card
[23:00] <TheSheep> waah, packages.ubuntu.com doesn't work :(
[23:00] <rabby> it can be found here: /lib/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.22-14-generic/fcpci
[23:00] <vinnl> TheSheep, I noticed :(
[23:00] <rabby> but modprobe fcpci tells me, there is no module to load :(
[23:01] <TheSheep> rabby: what does uname -r say?
[23:02] <rabby> 2.6.22-14-server
[23:02] <TheSheep> rabby: install linux-restricted-modules-server
[23:02] <Genelyk> hi
[23:02] <rabby> think i have to upgrade first..?
[23:03] <vinnl> Hey Genelyk
[23:03] <TheSheep> rabby: no, you are just running a -server kernel, and restricted modules installs modules for -generic by default
[23:03] <vinnl> Raz0R, and? :)
[23:03] <rabby> ah ok, i will do so, after. the upgrade is running already...
[23:03] <rabby> thanks so far ;-)
[23:04] <Raz0R> vinnl hmm got connected but was a bit complex lol
[23:04] <RandyboY> What can i do to get my folders and mounts back on my desktop? Had some trouble with some mounts and since that it has been gone... No menus when i right-click desktop either...
[23:05] <TheSheep> RandyboY: press alt+f2 and type 'xfdesktop'
[23:07] <RandyboY> TheSheep, that file isnt there. But when i open desktop in browser, all my folders and files are there...
[23:07] <TheSheep> RandyboY: it's a command
[23:07] <TheSheep> RandyboY: to start a program that displays your desktop
[23:10] <Raz0R> vinnl can you check my pastebin please: http://pastebin.com/m5d27902c
[23:10] <RandyboY> TheSheep, "Couldnt open <<file:///home/randy/xfdesktop>> , "Location or file wasnt found"
[23:11] <vinnl> Raz0R, that's like Chinese to me :P
[23:11] <Raz0R> ah ok
[23:11] <Raz0R> lol
[23:11] <Raz0R> god damn thing went crazy lol
[23:11] <vinnl> xD
[23:11] <Raz0R> once i did sudo dhclient wlan0 it was cool
[23:12] <Raz0R> the script didnt seem to run at boot either
[23:12] <TheSheep> RandyboY: wait, where did you type that?
[23:12] <Raz0R> if i type   in a sudo command will it need a pwd or will it just run it?
[23:12] <TheSheep> Raz0R: where do you type it?
[23:13] <RandyboY> TheSheep, in the box that appeared when i typed alt+f2
[23:13] <TheSheep> RandyboY: and you only type 'xfdesktop', nothing else?
[23:13] <RandyboY> TheSheep, true
[23:13] <TheSheep> RandyboY: can you get to a terminal?
[23:13] <RandyboY> yeah
[23:13] <Raz0R> TheSheep in autostarted apps>add app
[23:14] <TheSheep> RandyboY: type it in a terminal
[23:14] <TheSheep> Raz0R: it will ask for the password the first time it's run, use 'gksu' instead of 'sudo' to have a graphical prompt
[23:14] <Raz0R> TheSheep ok thankyou, so it asked for a password i just didnt see it?
[23:15] <TheSheep> Raz0R: probably
[23:15] <TheSheep> Raz0R: why aren't you using the network-manager?
[23:15] <RandyboY> TheSheep, its the xfce4 desktop youre talking about? Ive installed and using gnome...
[23:15] <Raz0R> ok cool
[23:15] <Raz0R> TheSheep it doesnt work
[23:17] <TheSheep> RandyboY: ah, then ask on #ubuntu
[23:17] <RandyboY> TheSheep, uhm, ok :)
[23:17] <Raz0R> is there anyway i can make one command run before another one?
[23:17] <TheSheep> RandyboY: but you rpobably want 'nautilus' instead
[23:17] <TheSheep> Raz0R: write a short script and run that
[23:18] <Raz0R> ok brb
[23:18] <RandyboY> TheSheep, that worked :-) Thanks