[12:03] <fuddl> siretart: that's why debian has variable release cycles - you're never under pressure ;)
[12:03] <fuddl> btw, that f***cking ship-it amd64 install cd is absolutely unreadable for any cd drive... *grrr*
[12:04] <siretart> fuddl: cd's can get scratched.. :(
[12:04] <siretart> wb sistpoty
[12:04] <sistpoty> re ;)
[12:05] <sistpoty> siretart: thx for fixing gpdf
[12:05] <siretart> fuddl: no. with debian, you are even more under pressure: because you have to support your broken stuff way longer
[12:05] <siretart> sistpoty: I'm happy if I can help :)
[12:06] <fuddl> funny, the beer-bathed, sticking and scratched cd-rw did the job, jiieehaaa!
[12:08] <jmg> is it more important to me to fix kubuntu breezy or kde 3.5b1
[12:09] <jmg> when breezy is released we can put 3.5 in kubuntu-updates yes?
[12:09] <fuddl> siretart: can use breezy for a production system?
[12:09] <fuddl> siretart: in fact, "the daily job" my computer has to do for me...
[12:10] <sistpoty> fuddl: I've been using it for quite some time... and there are no big annoyances for me now :)
[12:10] <sistpoty> fuddl: like xorg having been b0rked ;)
[12:11] <fuddl> sistpoty: i'll take this as an "ok, no problem" :)
[12:11] <sistpoty> fuddl: yep... didn't start debian/unstable for some weeks now :)
[12:11] <fuddl> ... waiting for upgrade finishing...
[12:12] <siretart> fuddl: absolutly. we have just released the preview, and in main, there shouldn't be any grave changes anymore
[12:12] <fuddl> siretart: i hope this FOR YOU! ;)
[12:12] <sistpoty> hehe
[12:12] <siretart> fuddl: if you still find some bugs in some obscure window manager in universe, we can have a more relaxed upload policy than main
[12:13] <siretart> fuddl: ;) - what was your windowmanager again?
[12:13] <dholbach> :)
[12:13] <dholbach> which one is it?
[12:13] <fuddl> siretart: xfce is important, can't survive without it!!!
[12:13] <dholbach> and there's an xfce team already :)
[12:13] <dholbach> woohoo
[12:13] <siretart> the xfce team did a great job for breezy!
[12:13] <siretart> fuddl: there is xubuntu, ubuntu with xfce desktop ;)
[12:14] <fuddl> oh, then i'll wait for cubuntu - console ubuntu
[12:14] <fuddl> :)
[12:14] <siretart> fuddl: we have that already (try server at install cd)
[12:15] <sistpoty> bah... how about rpubuntu as in ratpoison-ubuntu?
[12:15] <siretart> hrhr
[12:15] <fuddl> i did the mighty "expert" way, but i still had to kill the bastard trying to install gnome and stuff after the first reboot. can't leave that thing alone for five minutes!
[12:16] <siretart> fuddl: ? - i just did an 'server' breezy install in vmware a few hours ago. nothing of gnome was installed
[12:16] <fuddl> does the libc6  in breezy have the same can't-resolve-ipv6-bug as in debian unstable?
[12:17] <fuddl> siretart: me expert, you server :)
[12:17] <fuddl> i guess there's a difference and they're not just synonyms for each other
[12:17] <siretart> I disabled ipv6 here, because of the glanzmann tunnels broken. I know that we have a bit a different libc6, so there are chances for your ipv6 bug
[12:18] <siretart> fuddl: the expert install was renamed to server, I think
[12:18] <dholbach> you may want to talk to fabbione, who will tell you that the implemenation of ipv6 is *standard*, only that some broken firewalls / broken nameservers f.ck the whole thing up :)
[12:19] <dholbach> only firefox seems to circumvent that in some cases (which seems buggy too)
[12:20] <fuddl> firefox and ssh
[12:20] <fuddl> i'll be out for a cigarette. bbl
[12:22] <sistpoty> dholbach: atlas3 should be synced from unstable to fix ftbfs... the newer version was pretty much done to have it compile with gcc4 :)
[12:23] <dholbach> cool
[12:23] <sistpoty> dholbach: however there is a huge number of depends on atlas3, so I can't say it will/will not break anything
[12:23] <dholbach> thanks for checking that :)
[12:23] <sistpoty> dholbach: took 5-6h to compile :=
[12:23] <sistpoty> :)
[12:23] <dholbach> hmmmmmmmm
[12:24] <dholbach> that's pretty tough to decide
[12:24] <sistpoty> changelog is: (some lines follow)
[12:24] <sistpoty>  * Have gcc 4.0 and greater recognized as a good compiler in config.c
[12:24] <sistpoty>   * Remove bx from the clobber list in camm_dpa.h as is explicitly pushed
[12:24] <sistpoty>     and restored
[12:24] <sistpoty>   * static proclamation syntax change to uumtst.c
[12:24] <sistpoty>   * Slightly modify ATL_F77wrap_tr{m,s}v.c to work around gcc 4.0 bug when
[12:24] <sistpoty>     using -fomit-frame-pointer
[12:24] <sistpoty>   * Now can build with gcc >=4.0, Closes: #315908.
[12:25] <dholbach> and it was no upstream change at all?
[12:25] <dholbach> just a new debian revision?
[12:25] <sistpoty> yep from -19 to -20
[12:25] <dholbach> that sounds pretty safe
[12:26] <sistpoty> i did a fast test with a prog depending on it... that worked. but that doesn't say other things are broken
[12:26] <dholbach> clearly
[12:27] <bddebian> Heya gang
[12:27] <dholbach> if i update libraries (new upstream version), i always check the output of    nm -D /usr/lib/libbla.so    of the new and old library
[12:27] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[12:27] <dholbach> but that doesnt say much either
[12:28] <dholbach> when was that change in debian?
[12:28] <dholbach> any serious bug reports since then?
[12:28] <bddebian> Hello Stefan and Daniel
[12:28] <dholbach> hey bddebian
[12:28] <dholbach> how are you? :)
[12:28] <sistpoty> dholbach: 28 Sep... so not very old. apart from that last build for ubuntu was with gcc-3.3 :(
[12:29] <bddebian> dholbach: OK, thx. You?
[12:29] <dholbach> bddebian: a bit tired, but ok, thanks :)
[12:31] <sistpoty> dholbach: however there is just two minor/whishlist bugs for atlas3 in BTS... you decide :)
[12:32] <dholbach> sistpoty: you better ask somebody more conservative ;)
[12:32] <sistpoty> ok, I'll try my luck in -devel then ;)
[12:40] <bddebian> dholbach: Do you want us to mark main packages as such?  Remove them from the list, what?
[12:41] <dholbach> if main packages didnt build after the testbuild, we should check whats going wrong :)
[12:41] <bddebian> Hey, that's THEIR problem. ;-)
[12:41] <dholbach> haha :)
[12:45] <bddebian> I think this is pointless
[12:50] <sistpoty> wow apt-cache can generate dot files :)
[12:50] <Diablo-D3> back.
[12:50] <Diablo-D3> Hey guys, is there a repo for the next ubuntu version yet?
[12:52] <dholbach> which one?
[12:52] <dholbach> breezy?
[12:52] <dholbach> now please don't say dapper
[12:53] <dholbach> we're quite busy enough to get ONE release fixed up at the same time ;)
[12:53] <Diablo-D3> breezy+1
[12:56] <dholbach> no we're all busy with getting breezy done
[12:56] <Diablo-D3> Okay.
[01:01] <bddebian> dholbach: Speak for yourself ;-P
[01:01] <dholbach> bddebian: so you're hacking on dapper already... well that's nice, could you please backport your fixes, then? kthxbye
[01:02] <Diablo-D3> hah
[01:02] <bddebian> dholbach: No, I just meant someone is working... ;-P
[01:03] <bddebian> Gnight dholbach
[01:04] <sistpoty> gn8 dholbach
[01:04] <dholbach> night guys :)
[01:04] <dholbach> ROCK ON
[01:05] <bddebian> Uh-oh
[01:10] <Kyral> So what does FTBFS day mean?
[01:11] <dholbach> apt-get install bsdgames; wtf ftbfs
[01:11] <Kyral> I know what FTBFS means
[01:11] <Kyral> I wanna mean what do we do on FTBFS day
[01:11] <dholbach> ah ok
[01:11] <dholbach> :)
[01:11] <dholbach> it's the day where we fix all the FTBFS
[01:11] <sistpoty> dholbach: read ogras decision?
[01:11] <Kyral> ah
[01:12] <Kyral> so Apt-Source them and fix'em?
[01:12] <sistpoty> Kyral: yep. or check for a newer debian version that fixes them as well
[01:12] <Kyral> dibs on i386 :D
[01:12] <womble> And here I was thinking that FTBFS day was when you upgraded all the buildds to a new GCC version and watch the FTBFS roll in...
[01:13] <dholbach> sistpoty: judging from the changelog it sounds fairly safe
[01:13] <dholbach> womble: haha
[01:13] <sistpoty> dholbach: and there is only one rdepend that can't be covered by refblas3 from main :)
[01:14] <dholbach> sistpoty: i dont quite understand
[01:14] <Kyral> Should I tackle g++-4.0?
[01:14] <bddebian> Kyral: Except they all have rdepends and cant get updated anyway.. :-)
[01:14] <Kyral> rdepends?
[01:14] <sistpoty> dholbach: almost all of the rdepends are refblas3 | atlas3-base... (with refblas3 being in main)
[01:15] <dholbach> oh hm
[01:15] <dholbach> dunno
[01:15] <dholbach> *shrug*
[01:15] <sistpoty> ogra said it's ok then... but i don't want to keep you from going to bed ;)
[01:15] <dholbach> thank you... have a nice evening :)
[01:16] <sistpoty> gn8 :)
[01:16] <bddebian> Gnight again dholbach :-)
[01:16] <sistpoty> Kyral: reverse dependencies... packages that depend on this package
[01:16] <bddebian> Kyral: Reverse Depends.  Packages that depend on a package
[01:16] <Kyral> chimatta....gdesklets doesn't have a source package to begin with...
[01:16] <sistpoty> lol bddebian
[01:17] <Kyral> whats the SID source line...
[01:17] <ajmitch> hi
[01:18] <sistpoty> Kyral: "deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian unstable main non-free contrib" (replace with your debian server), but you might check http://packages.debian.org/whateveryourpackageis
[01:18] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[01:19] <Kyral> Bah its complaining that the Sid isn't verified
[01:20] <Kyral> well....sid does have a source package for gdesklets
[01:20] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[01:21] <Kyral> This should be easy, I just make a change in the changelog and then repackage it?
[01:22] <sistpoty> Kyral: if you don't actually change anything, then this shouldn't be uploaded but a sync requested instead
[01:22] <Kyral> Oh...how do I do that./..
[01:22] <sistpoty> Kyral: otherwise we'll have to manually merge it when sid is completely synced to universe
[01:23] <sistpoty> Kyral: write a mail to elmo... or tell a motu to request it from elmo ;)
[01:23] <fuddl> re
[01:23] <Kyral> well it doesn't because I'm getting a permission denied on dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[01:24] <bddebian> sudo
[01:24] <Kyral> Since when do I have to sudo that thing?
[01:24] <bddebian> Since you started using Ubuntu?
[01:25] <Kyral> I meant I never had to when I have done anything in that dir before
[01:25] <Kyral> anyway, I'm off!
[01:25] <bddebian> Grr, I quit (AGAIN)..
[01:26] <sistpoty> bddebian: why?
[01:26] <ajmitch> bye bddebian
[01:26] <bddebian> bye ajmitch ;-)
[01:26] <sistpoty> cya Kyral
[01:26] <bddebian> sistpoty: xgalaga builds find locally but not in pbuilder.  Can't find the X stuff :-(
[01:26] <ajmitch> I hope you have fun doing whatever it is you plan to do
[01:27] <ajmitch> bddebian: opensuse?
[01:27] <sistpoty> bddebian: make it build again!!! we really need xgalaga to be in good shape for dapper ;)
[01:29] <sistpoty> damn... editing 4 wiki pages sucks... we should try to merge these pages next time
[01:37] <bddebian> ajmitch: Are you trying to get rid of me again? :-)
[01:38] <sistpoty> ok, time for me to go to bed... gn8
[01:38] <bddebian> Gnight sistpoty
[01:39] <ajmitch> bddebian: of course, I try & get rid of everyone around here
[01:43] <bddebian> Looks like it worked ;-)
[01:46] <ajmitch> hah
[01:58] <ajmitch> so.. hungry
[02:02] <tseng> yum
[02:02] <tseng> PA style death on a plate
[02:03] <bddebian> w00h00
[02:03] <tseng> ill take one
[02:03] <bddebian> wit? ;-)
[02:03] <tseng> sauteed onions, mayo, ketchup
[02:04] <ajmitch> my heart has stopped just thinking about it
[02:04] <tseng> who needs a heart, anyway
[02:05] <bddebian> Yeah
[02:05] <tseng> not pennsylvanians
[02:05] <bddebian> I'm already killing my lungs, why stop there? :-)
[02:06] <tseng> heart failure doesnt scare us
[02:06] <bddebian> tseng: Wherabouts are you at anyway?
[02:06] <tseng> West Chester
[02:06] <tseng> an hour from philly lets say
[02:07] <bddebian> Ah yes, I know where West Chester is.  You aren't all that far from me then
[02:07] <tseng> how far is that
[02:08] <bddebian> ajmitch: Why, do you have gas? ;)
[02:08] <ajmitch> sure :P
[02:08] <bddebian> tseng: I'm in Schwenksville.  Near Collegeville.
[02:08] <tseng> never heard
[02:08] <ajmitch> great names there
[02:08] <bddebian> Uhm, just west of Valley Forge?
[02:09] <tseng> valley forge is near KOP right
[02:09] <bddebian> Yep
[02:09] <tseng> how far are you from there?
[02:09] <bddebian> Just about 10 miles up 422
[02:09] <tseng> elite
[02:10] <tseng> you might make my place going 30 minutes south on 202 from KOP
[02:10] <bddebian> Well I drive to Philly everyday for work :-(
[02:10] <tseng> that sucks
[02:10] <bddebian> No kidding
[02:10] <tseng> i am going to philly next week with my dad
[02:10] <tseng> i got him stones tickets
[02:10] <bddebian> Took me over 1.5 hourse to get home tonight :-(
[02:10] <bddebian> -e
[02:11] <ajmitch> heh
[02:11] <ajmitch> < 10 minutes walk for me to get to work
[02:11] <bddebian> Nice
[02:11] <tseng> rolling stones for the kids in the room
[02:11] <bddebian> heh
[02:11] <tseng> bddebian: been to the wachovia center?
[02:12] <bddebian> Not yet.  I've only seen the Phillies so far since we've been here
[02:12] <bddebian> And I don't even like baseball :-(
[02:12] <tseng> heh alot of my coworkers go to the eagles
[02:13] <tseng> you probably work near me also, i work in Wilmington
[02:13] <tseng> which isnt too far on 95 from wachovia and all that
[02:13] <tseng> the airport
[02:13] <bddebian> Aye.  I'm right by the airport.
[02:13] <tseng> oh elite
[02:14] <bddebian> You know where Oasis is?
[02:14] <tseng> nope.
[02:15] <tseng> yahoo suggests its a resteraunt
[02:15] <bddebian> Uhm, something like that ;-)
[02:15] <ajmitch> probably some dodgy startup
[02:16] <bddebian> I'm at 7800 Holstein
[02:16] <bddebian> ajmitch: It's a "Gentlemens Club"
[02:16] <ajmitch> hah
[02:16] <tseng> and you're the entertainment?
[02:16] <bddebian> No I'm close to Oasis.  I work at Ottens Flavors
[02:17] <tseng> oh yum
[02:17] <tseng> you make
[02:17] <tseng> Cherry Cola  ?
[02:18] <tseng> among other things
[02:18] <bddebian> We would make the cherry that goes in the Cola yes
[02:18] <tseng> oh =/
[02:18] <bddebian> Or Vanilla, or chocolate, etc
[02:18] <ajmitch> and you're the IT guy?
[02:19] <tseng> he's the elite chemistry wizz
[02:19] <ajmitch> ah, the bomb maker
[02:19] <ajmitch> right
[02:19] <tseng> http://arstechnica.com/columns/linux/linux-20051002.ars
[02:20] <tseng> this is really cool
[02:20] <tseng> last week a coworker and i "rev engineered" aim with pcap, tethereal, and.. grep
[02:20] <ajmitch> I was just about expecting it to be a whiprush article
[02:20] <tseng> this is alot slicker
[02:20] <tseng> hm not this time :P
[02:21] <tseng> but that binding is really slick
[02:21] <tseng> i cant wait to show off w/ it next week
[02:21] <bddebian> ajmitch: Aye, I am "IT Manager".. whoopee
[02:21] <tseng> it would have been perfect for my duplicate syn tester
[02:22] <tseng> where the firewall never tore down tcp connections
[02:22] <tseng> bbiab
[02:22] <bddebian> Laterz
[02:23] <ajmitch> yeah I think I need breakfast soon
[02:33] <Diablo-D3> elmo?
[02:33] <Diablo-D3> LP?
[02:33] <ajmitch> yes
[02:33] <Diablo-D3> so now we have elmo listening to an nsync LP.
[02:34] <Diablo-D3> the ultimate weapon in the war against intelligence.
[02:34] <ajmitch> yeah, funny
[02:50] <zyga> tseng: very interesting article :)
[02:50] <zyga> tseng: are you on the ruby team? :)
[03:27] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[03:27] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[03:27] <bddebian> Oh, what's the point of trying to fix all these FTBFSs when most of them can't go in anyway?? :-(
[03:28] <tseng> zyga: nope
[03:28] <LaserJock> yeah, what's up with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFSi386 . Is that really a list of packages that FTBFS?
[03:28] <tseng> zyga: i am still getting my feetwet with ruby, i am a php and tcl programmer by day
[03:28] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yes
[03:28] <tseng> zyga: expect, snmp, if its scary i probably do it
[03:29] <tseng> haha
[03:29] <zyga> (I did want to learn ruby recently)
[03:29] <tseng> it has a few cool tricks
[03:29] <zyga> yes it does :)
[03:29] <tseng> without the whole "wtf is that?" effect of perl tricks
[03:29] <tseng> its somewhat readable
[03:30] <tseng> here is a cool script i did
[03:30] <tseng> http://tseng.ath.cx/walk.rb
[03:30] <zyga> tseng: ruby had to get something wrong though
[03:30] <LaserJock> bddebian: I don't get it, aren't a lot of the FTBFS packages in the repo? and working
[03:30] <zyga> tseng: hey, let's recycle that old pascal syntax - yay
[03:30] <tseng> im too young to know anything about pascal
[03:31] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yes
[03:31] <tseng> (fortunately?)
[03:31] <bddebian> Who needs any of it when there's COBOL!! ;-P
[03:31] <zyga> tseng: ??
[03:31] <zyga> tseng: how old are you if I may ask
[03:31] <tseng> 20
[03:31] <bddebian> Doh
[03:32] <bddebian> I couldn't even take ya for a drink! ;-)
[03:32] <ajmitch> bddebian: don't worry granddad ;)
[03:32] <zyga> tseng: I'm 23 but I did used to write stuff in pascal
[03:32] <bddebian> ajmitch: Heh
[03:32] <tseng> bddebian: yay, Straight Edge
[03:32] <zyga> ahh pretty dos times
[03:32] <zyga> no memory protection ;)
[03:32] <tseng> hm i started with BASIC
[03:32] <bddebian> tseng: Straight Edge?
[03:32] <tseng> skipped right over pascal :)
[03:33] <ajmitch> tseng: same here
[03:33] <ajmitch> no point learning pascal
[03:33] <zyga> tseng: argg.. basic hurts ;)
[03:33] <ajmitch> especially when we had the power of qbasic
[03:33] <zyga> my friend still claims it's the best language ;-)
[03:33] <tseng> bddebian: GOTO 10
[03:33] <zyga> pascal had crappy nazi typing
[03:33] <tseng> er, zyga
[03:33] <bddebian> Heh
[03:34] <zyga> tseng: (he makes websites alot - customers don't care)
[03:34] <tseng> bddebian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_edge
[03:34] <Diablo-D3> hah you said nazis.
[03:35] <ajmitch> Diablo-D3: yes, he did
[03:36] <bddebian> tseng: Ah
[03:37] <bddebian> Damn, no matter what I do, I can't get libzvt to find libpangox-1.0.so
[03:38] <zyga> bddebian: autoconf?
[03:38] <ajmitch> bddebian: it looks to be so out of date that it's not worth it
[03:39] <bddebian> ajmitch: This is from Debian
[03:39] <bddebian> Not that it's any newer
[03:40] <ajmitch> version?
[03:40] <LaserJock> bddebian: so how can we install binarys from this FTBFS list? Are they previous builds?
[03:40] <bddebian> 2.01cvs20021009-4
[03:40] <bddebian> LaserJock: Most likely
[03:42] <ajmitch> bddebian: right, so 3 years old
[03:42] <bddebian> ajmitch: So it should be morgued?
[03:43] <ajmitch> dunno :)
[04:24] <Diablo-D3> http://shadowconflict.blogspot.com/2005/10/opensolaris-gives-foss-community.html
[04:25] <ajmitch> please don't spam urls in multiple channels
[04:26] <Diablo-D3> ajmitch: you're stalking me!
[04:27] <ajmitch> don't be stupid
[04:27] <Diablo-D3> ssstttaaalllkkkeeeerrr!
[04:40] <tseng> seriously.
[04:40] <Diablo-D3> well, atleast Im popular enough to have my own stalker now.
[04:41] <ajmitch> trust me, you're not
[04:41] <Diablo-D3> bah
[04:41] <tseng> i dont need you screwing around with the motus
[04:41] <Diablo-D3> then quit stalking me.
[04:41] <tseng> i have a 0 bullshit tolerance policy
[04:41] <tseng> ask bddebian :)
[04:41] <ajmitch> my tolerance level is rapidly dropping this week
[04:42] <Diablo-D3> tseng: but what if they're hot chick motus?
[04:42] <ajmitch> seriously, just be quiet unless you've got something on-topic
[04:42] <tseng> makes no difference to me.
[04:42] <Diablo-D3> Bah.
[04:43] <Diablo-D3> wait, we have hot chick motus?
[04:43] <tseng> not yet, but we dont need you scaring them off with that kind of talk
[04:43] <Diablo-D3> damn! >_<
[04:57] <zakame> hi all
[04:59] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[05:00] <zakame> bddebian, hello =)
[05:09] <TMM> can someone please take a look at the comment on my package here? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=721
[05:09] <Lathiat> i'd like ot sync synce-dccm new version from debian, fixes a bug in some soudn stuff (malone #2738) -- but i can't test it and it also has a minor usptream version update
[05:09] <Lathiat> anyone use synce?
[05:09] <TMM> I want to know how I can actually do that :) the only change is the removal of 2 files from a makefile
[05:16] <Lathiat> TMM: do what, exactly ?
[05:16] <Lathiat> the debian/patches stuff ?
[05:17] <ajmitch> TMM: you know how to use dpatch?
[05:17] <TMM> ajmitch, no, I don't
[05:17] <ajmitch> and please make sure you do include the orig.tar.gz otherwise we cannot review it or build it
[05:17] <TMM> Lathiat, I removed AUTHORS, COPYING etc from the Makefile as dh_install_doc does it
[05:18] <ajmitch> why did you remove them from the makefile?
[05:18] <Lathiat> siretart: ping
[05:18] <TMM> ajmitch, because make install made sure it was somehow copied to /usr/share/doc directly
[05:18] <ajmitch> looks like you ran automake & autoconf on it again?
[05:19] <TMM> ajmitch, with dh_installdoc (or something) it copies it to the appropriate place, so I figured I'd remove them from the package
[05:19] <TMM> ajmitch, I had to, because I had to change the Makefile.am
[05:19] <ajmitch> right
[05:19] <ajmitch> so you really have to put that in debian/patches
[05:19] <TMM> I figured that much, but how? :)
[05:19] <ajmitch> http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=7
[05:20] <TMM> I just did a diff and put it in debian/patches but it doesn't seem to get picked up
[05:20] <ajmitch> because it's not automatic
[05:20] <ajmitch> you need a patch system in place like dpatch
[05:20] <ajmitch> you're using cdbs now?
[05:20] <TMM> yeah
[05:20] <TMM> much, much nicer :)
[05:21] <ajmitch> include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/dpatch.mk
[05:21] <TMM> ahhh... I just add a mk and it's done?
[05:21] <hub> crap
[05:21] <TMM> ajmitch, I just read it :)
[05:21] <ajmitch> and make sure you have a rule like 'unpatch: deapply-dpatches'
[05:21] <hub> pbuilder fails one test with that perl module
[05:21] <hub> gah
[05:21] <TMM> ajmitch, along the dpatch.mk thing?
[05:22] <ajmitch> TMM: and a file 00list in debian/patches.. the patch should be in dpatch format too, sorry :)
[05:22] <TMM> ajmitch, ah... I'm a bit confused now... what exactly do I do? :)
[05:23] <ajmitch> you do as I said ;)
[05:23] <TMM> wuh...
[05:23] <TMM> according to this:
[05:23] <TMM> https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial/CDBS
[05:23] <bddebian> ajmitch: Can you look at 2939?
[05:23] <TMM> this is all I do...
[05:23] <ajmitch> you *can* use simple-patchsys if you want, but it's not as useful
[05:24] <ajmitch> bddebian: why me?
[05:24] <bddebian> ajmitch: Because you ROCK
[05:24] <ajmitch> no, I don't
[05:24] <TMM> ajmitch, I only need to remove 3 lines from the makefile, do I need anything more useful? :)
[05:24] <bddebian> ajmitch: I just want to know if you think it's valid?
[05:25] <TMM> (2 of which are whitespace) ;)
[05:25] <ajmitch> TMM: your patch will have to include all the results of running autoconf & automake
[05:25] <ajmitch> it's not just a 3 line change
[05:25] <ajmitch> but a 300K change that you uploaded
[05:25] <TMM> ajmitch, can't I just run autogen.sh from rules/ ?
[05:26] <ajmitch> that is rather evil
[05:26] <TMM> why evil?
[05:26] <TMM> I'm not trying to be stubborn, I just want to learn the ethics :)
[05:26] <ajmitch> you have to build depend on appropriate versions of autoconf & automake
[05:27] <TMM> ok, ok, ok...
[05:27] <TMM> so... what do I do then? :)
[05:27] <ajmitch> put it in a patch as I said :)
[05:28] <TMM> I *did* put it in a patch ;)
[05:28] <TMM> ok...
[05:28] <TMM> please
[05:28] <TMM> once more, from the top
[05:28] <TMM> I patch the makefile
[05:28] <TMM> I run autogen
[05:29] <TMM> then do a diff?
[05:29] <ajmitch> no
[05:29] <ajmitch> not with dpatch :)
[05:29] <ajmitch> you make sure debian/rules is setup for dpatch
[05:29] <ajmitch> then you dpatch-edit-patch name-of-patch
[05:29] <ajmitch> it drops you into a subshell
[05:29] <ajmitch> you make changes
[05:29] <ajmitch> it generates patch
[05:30] <ajmitch> which is why it is nice, you don't have to do manual diffs
[05:30] <ajmitch> which gets complex with multiple patches to apply
[05:30] <TMM> ok, I put the dpatch.mk in my rules, I unpacked a fresh sourcetree (just to be sure)
[05:31] <TMM> and put my debian/ dir back
[05:31] <TMM> do I need to have a debian/patch dir present?
[05:31] <ajmitch> and you added the unpatch rule as I suggested?
[05:31] <ajmitch> you need debian/patches
[05:32] <TMM> exactly that line you gave me
[05:32] <ajmitch> yes
[05:32] <TMM> yes
[05:32] <ajmitch> just put it at the bottom of debian/rules
[05:32] <TMM> ok
[05:32] <TMM> so now, I am in my debian/ dir and I type dpatch-edit-patch makefile.diff ?
[05:32] <bddebian> crimsun: You up?
[05:33] <ajmitch> so you should be able to run dpatch-edit-patch autotools_fix
[05:33] <TMM> in what dir do I want to be?
[05:33] <ajmitch> the base directory will be fine
[05:34] <TMM> ok
[05:35] <bddebian> Damn, where is everyone in -devel?
[05:35] <ajmitch> away
[05:35] <TMM> cool done
[05:35] <TMM> ok, trying... :)
[05:38] <TMM> ajmitch, I need another file you said? because it's not patching :)
[05:38] <TMM> 00list
[05:38] <ajmitch> yes
[05:38] <TMM> that just lists the name of the patch?
[05:38] <ajmitch> yes
[05:38] <TMM> one patch on a line?
[05:38] <ajmitch> yes
[05:38] <TMM> with or without debian/patch prefix?
[05:39] <ajmitch> without
[05:39] <ajmitch> and it goes in debian/patches
[05:39] <TMM> and the dpatch suffix?
[05:40] <ajmitch> doesn't matter, iirc
[05:41] <ajmitch> and make sure you add the build dependency on dpatch
[05:41] <TMM> ok
[05:41] <TMM> I am not sure it is working, it said that the patch wasn't applied to ./. or something...
[05:41] <TMM> I'll just finish building the package, see what happenes
[05:45] <TMM> OK, it *did* work :)
[05:45] <ajmitch> great
[05:46] <TMM> ajmitch, but it won't deapply now...
[05:46] <ajmitch> fun
[05:48] <TMM> I think I might just go ahead and *do* modify orig.tar.gz
[05:48] <TMM> It's giving me a lot of trouble
[05:48] <TMM> the original debian/ dir
[05:48] <ajmitch> :)
[05:48] <ajmitch> yeah
[05:48] <TMM> just mention it in the changelog and everything should be fine, right?
[05:49] <ajmitch> and README.Debian is standard
[05:49] <TMM> ok, so... I unpack the original source, change it, repack it, then re-run dh_make on it?
[05:50] <TMM> then put my debian/ dir stuff in there?
[05:50] <ajmitch> oh please not
[05:50] <ajmitch> why would you re-run dh_make?
[05:50] <TMM> I dunno... for the changes file I thought
[05:50] <ajmitch> no?
[05:51] <ajmitch> you've already got a debian/ dir to use
[05:51] <TMM> so, what I do is: I unpack the original tar.gz, remove the debian/ dir, and repack?
[05:51] <ajmitch> yes
[05:51] <TMM> ok
[05:51] <TMM> trying...
[05:51] <ajmitch> do it in an empty directory to make sure you don't accidentally remove all your work so far ;)
[05:51] <bddebian> Any PPC folks in here?
[05:53] <ajmitch> no, we all run windows here
[05:53] <TMM> I'm not THAT stupid :)
[05:53] <bddebian> ajmitch: Yuck, yuck, yuck :-)
[05:53] <ajmitch> bddebian: hey I do have a copy of windows XP here ;)
[05:54] <TMM> owww.... HELL
[05:55] <TMM> checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... /home/hp/ubuntu/dvdstyler/dvdstyler-1.4/./configure: line 4416: no: command not found
[05:55] <TMM> WTF?
[05:55] <ajmitch> heh
[05:55] <TMM> that dpatch isn't all that it is cracked up to be it seems :)
[05:56] <TMM> next time I think "hey, I'll do an easy package to start off with" I'll just try open-heart surgery first
[05:57] <ajmitch> haha
[05:59] <TMM> redoing... EVERYTHING now...
[06:04] <TMM> well, it helped
[06:04] <TMM> for non-obvious reasons
[06:04] <TMM> :)
[06:07] <TMM> w00t, no more errors
[06:07] <TMM> is there a special format for README.debian?
[06:07] <ajmitch> no
[06:08] <TMM> so I just add a file  README.debian to debian/ and it'll all be golden? :)
[06:08] <ajmitch> maybe
[06:08] <ajmitch> depends on what other things need done to the package :)
[06:10] <TMM> well... only manpage I guess
[06:10] <TMM> that is the final fronteer, I never did one :)
[06:10] <ajmitch> we'll pull it apart when we review it
[06:10] <ajmitch> bddebian can attest to that :)
[06:11] <bddebian> heh
[06:12] <TMM> uploading in a sec
[06:12] <TMM> I dare you to find anything ELSE wrong (besides the manpage) :)
[06:13] <ajmitch> ooh, a challenge
[06:13] <TMM> building final version... (I hope)
[06:15] <TMM> I think a bunch of italiens just spinned in their grave :)
[06:15] <TMM> I just ate a sandwitch with salami and french mustard
[06:19] <TMM> which on of the changes file do I upload?
[06:19] <TMM> the source or the i386 one?
[06:19] <ajmitch> the latest source one
[06:19] <ajmitch> and make sure you built it with -sa
[06:20] <TMM> I did
[06:20] <ajmitch> ok
[06:22] <TMM> and now, the 5 mins waiting period... :P
[06:26] <TMM> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=739
[06:26] <TMM> have fun with the knives :P
[06:28] <bddebian> Heh
[06:28] <TMM> lol
[06:28] <TMM> already a list?
[06:28] <ajmitch> oh I've already spotted a few things :)
[06:28] <ajmitch> and I've only looked at the diff so far
[06:28] <TMM> O dear, already?
[06:28] <ajmitch> sure
[06:30] <TMM> geez... :)
[06:30] <TMM> like what? :)
[06:34] <hub> TMM: 530KB of patch?
[06:34] <TMM> I did it the way ajmitch told me, I had to re-run automake and friends on the source
[06:34] <hub> TMM: I trust you
[06:34] <hub> I'm just wow
[06:35] <TMM> I'm probably the wrong person to ask :)
[06:35] <ajmitch> TMM: it's fairly good, they're mostly minor issues :)
[06:37] <hub> make test for the perl module fail in pbuilder on one test
[06:37] <TMM> ajmitch, tomboy?
[06:37] <ajmitch> TMM: yes
[06:38] <hubZzz> night
[06:38] <ajmitch> night
[06:38] <bddebian> Gnight hubZzz
[06:41] <TMM> ajmitch, lots of problems? how is the patient? :) the suspense is killing me
[06:41] <ajmitch> ok, since you want some details..
[06:42] <ajmitch> can you explain the long list of build-depends?
[06:42] <ajmitch> why a versioned dep on wx2.6-headers with a version of >= 2.4.x ?
[06:42] <ajmitch> spelling mistakes..
[06:42] <ajmitch> is gnome.mk really needed in debian/rules
[06:43] <ajmitch> these things take awhile for me to check through, which is why I keep a list & work through it :)
[06:43] <TMM> ajmitch, it helps with the pkgconf stuff... the debian/rules file would be longer if I did it manually with debhelper I think
[06:43] <TMM> ajmitch, I suppose I could just put in wx2.6-headers unversioned since it'll work on anything greater than 2.4.2
[06:44] <ajmitch> and how often would you find wx2.6-headers with a version < 2.6? :)
[06:44] <TMM> ajmitch, the long buildependency list is because the configure script checks for all the external programs it uses
[06:44] <TMM> ajmitch, I just wanted to be complete :) but you are right, it is nonsense
[06:44] <TMM> ajmitch, I could patch the configure script to not check for those, I guess...
[06:45] <ajmitch> why bother?
[06:45] <ajmitch> I was just askign you to justify them being there, since I haven't had time to check configure
[06:45] <TMM> this is good? the long list of dependencies?
[06:45] <ajmitch> better to have too many build-depends than to miss some
[06:46] <TMM> I am sure I've got them all
[06:46] <TMM> I checked carefully with pbuild
[06:52] <TMM> it's should be its , right? :)
[06:52] <ajmitch> :0:> dvdstyler
[06:52] <ajmitch> dvdstyler: error while loading shared libraries: libwx_gtk-2.4.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:52] <ajmitch> *cough*
[06:53] <TMM> wuh?
[06:53] <ajmitch> never mind..
[06:53] <ajmitch> badness on my system
[06:53] <TMM> It shows up as a runtime dep
[06:54] <ajmitch> yes
[06:54] <ajmitch> obviously quite old :)
[06:54] <TMM> I wondered how I could ever have missed that :)
[06:55] <ajmitch> it's an ugly app
[06:55] <TMM> should be quite snappy
[06:55] <TMM> ugly, yes
[06:55] <TMM> but it's very functional :)
[06:55] <TMM> most functionality for dvd menu creation than every other dvd authoring tool I tried
[06:55] <TMM> open source that is
[06:56] <ajmitch> that's not saying much at times :)
[06:56] <TMM> I know
[06:56] <TMM> but I've used it to create several DVD video disks already
[06:57] <TMM> and it works in every dvd player I tried it in
[06:57] <TMM> even my PS2, and THAT is saying something ;)
[06:57] <TMM> but... what do I need to change to make it allright?
[06:57] <TMM> and, if it is allright will that automatically mean that it's going to be included in universe?
[06:58] <ajmitch> it depends, we're *very* close to release day
[06:58] <ajmitch> and it needs 2 MOTUs to sign off on it before we upload it
[06:59] <ajmitch> for a first package you've done quite a good job
[06:59] <ajmitch> do you still need that autotools-dev build-dependency? :)
[06:59] <TMM> I suppose, not
[07:00] <ajmitch> btw, please change "It's" to "Its" in the description
[07:00] <ajmitch> speeling erors annoy me :P
[07:00] <TMM> ajmitch, already did that, I spotted it when you said there where spelling errors
[07:00] <TMM> ok, then I'll remove the autotools-dev dep, re-run it through pbuild
[07:00] <ajmitch> section doesn't need universe, in debian/control
[07:00] <TMM> just sound?
[07:00] <TMM> (there is no video)
[07:00] <ajmitch> yea
[07:01] <TMM> ok
[07:02] <ajmitch> also, add in the copyright years in debian/copyright
[07:02] <ajmitch> so it's Copyright (C) xxxx-yyyy Author
[07:03] <TMM> after copyright-holder?
[07:03] <ajmitch> yes
[07:03] <ajmitch> and check if it's GPL 2 or later
[07:03] <ajmitch> or just GPL 2
[07:03] <ajmitch> hmm
[07:03] <TMM> it's or later
[07:03] <ajmitch> show me
[07:04] <ajmitch> some files in there are listed as 'wxWindows license'
[07:04] <ajmitch>  // Copyright:   (c) Alex Thuering
[07:04] <ajmitch>  // Licence:     wxWindows licence
[07:04] <TMM> actually
[07:05] <TMM> it just says  It is free software  distributed under GNU General Public License (GPL).
[07:05] <ajmitch> :)
[07:05] <TMM> and links to the GPL v2...
[07:05] <ajmitch> most people don't follow the instructions when licensing their software
[07:06] <TMM> I'll just say 'gpl v2' and remove the or later
[07:06] <TMM> also, I can't find a year anywhere
[07:06] <TMM> apparently, the first release was 2004
[07:06] <ajmitch> programmers aren't trained lawyers, in most cases ;)
[07:06] <TMM> so I can just say copyright (c) 2004-2005
[07:07] <TMM> right?
[07:08] <TMM> well, wxwindows license is the LGPL with the provision that binary only derived workes are allowed
[07:08] <TMM> and you can relicense LGPL software to GPL
[07:08] <TMM> so saying it is GPL v2 is correct
[07:09] <TMM> do you agree?
[07:12] <ajmitch> best to list both of them
[07:13] <ajmitch> eg saying that portions are licensed with the wxWindows license
[07:13] <ajmitch> and put that license in there
[07:13] <TMM> OK
[07:14] <TMM> how do I word that?
[07:14] <bddebian> Bed time for this old man.  Gnight gang
[07:14] <TMM> at the end of copying just add "portions are licencend blablah blah" and stick the license underneath that?
[07:17] <ajmitch> at the top of debian/copyright, where you say what the license is
[07:17] <ajmitch> iirc
[07:18] <TMM> you don't...
[07:18] <TMM> you never state that in one scentense
[07:19] <TMM> ajmitch, http://www.opensource.org/licenses/wxwindows.txt
[07:20] <ajmitch> yes, I've seen it
[07:20] <ajmitch> but as it allows extra permissions beyond what LGPL does, you should list them
[07:22] <TMM> should I just append /usr/share/doc/libwxbase2.4/copyright ?
[07:23] <ajmitch> might as well try
[07:23] <ajmitch> could be a good idea to get advice from someone other than myself ;)
[07:24] <TMM> pbuild worked fine
[07:24] <TMM> I'll try to just append it
[07:28] <TMM> Part of this sourcecode is covered under the wxwindows license V3.
[07:28] <TMM> These include the wxVillaLib/ and wxXML/ subdirectories and the src/hyperlink.cpp and
[07:28] <TMM> src/hyperlink.h files.
[07:28] <TMM> then the text from /usr/share/doc/libwxbase2.4/copyright
[07:28] <ajmitch> looks good
[07:29] <TMM> ok, I think I've fixed everything then
[07:29] <TMM> pbuilder agrees :)
[07:29] <TMM> lintian agrees
[07:29] <TMM> linda agrees
[07:30] <ajmitch> pbuilder & lintian only catch certain issues, remember :)
[07:30] <TMM> meh
[07:30] <TMM> you seem to somewhat agree now :)
[07:30] <ajmitch> only the checks that people have automated
[07:30] <TMM> uploading...
[07:31] <TMM> I thought you where checking manually as well :)
[07:31] <ajmitch> sure
[07:31] <ajmitch> I've done some manual checks :)
[07:31] <TMM> should I advocate it myself?
[07:31] <ajmitch> you can't
[07:31] <TMM> there is a checkbox 'advocate this upload'
[07:32] <ajmitch> advocating means that a MOTU has checked it off :)
[07:32] <TMM> ow, I don't think I am one :) (yet)
[07:32] <TMM> are you
[07:32] <TMM> ?
[07:32] <ajmitch> sure
[07:32] <ajmitch> you'd know if you were
[07:33] <ajmitch> because then you'd be able to upload to ubuntu ;)
[07:33] <TMM> so... will you be advocating now? :)
[07:33] <TMM> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=740
[07:33] <ajmitch> once I've checked over a few more things - probably later tonight
[07:35] <TMM> ajmitch, what else could be wrong? just so I know if I ever want to check other peoples packages
[07:36] <ajmitch> I don't know what might be wrong until I look :P
[07:38] <TMM> lol
[07:39] <TMM> I want to become a motu too at some point, I'd like to know what I need to be looking for :)
[07:39] <TMM> you already gave me a lot of pointers btw, you are a very nice person, thank you
[07:39] <ajmitch> you learn by experience :)
[07:41] <TMM> still, you helped me out quite a bit! :)
[07:41] <ajmitch> currently we do a lot more fixing packages than making them, but that should change in a week or two
[07:41] <TMM> I'll be doing more packages
[07:41] <TMM> is universe freezed after a release too?
[07:42] <TMM> I'd like to chip in to help to fix things as well, but on the FTBFS site's packages, I can't find any meaningfull logs :) a lot can me removed imho
[07:52] <ajmitch> universe freezes at release
[07:52] <ajmitch> sorry, had to get dinner from oven
[07:52] <TMM> np
[07:57] <TMM> and, release is like, in 2 days, right? :)
[07:57] <ajmitch> 5
[07:58] <TMM> ok
[07:58] <TMM> I somehow remembered it was on the 10th
[08:08] <ajmitch> ok, I'll bbl
[08:08] <TMM> later
[08:11] <tritium> I can't get anyone to sync xfig.  I emailed elmo last night, and neither him nor Kamion is active now.
[08:12] <pef_aw> TMM: hello
[08:13] <pef> TMM: s/unstable/breezy/ for debian/changelog :)
[08:13] <TMM> pef, d*mn :)
[08:14] <TMM> stupid dh_make
[08:14] <TMM> :P
[08:14] <pef> TMM: and maybe add Homepage: http://foo.org to debian/control description
[08:15] <pef> On Debian systems, the complete text of the GNU General
[08:15] <pef> Public License can be found in `/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL'.
[08:15] <pef> TMM: debian/copyright : it's /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2'.
[08:16] <TMM> pef, thanks
[08:16] <pef> TMM: thank you for packaging :)
[08:16] <TMM> what line should the Homepage: god?
[08:16] <pef> TMM: the last ?
[08:17] <TMM> ok
[08:17] <pef> TMM: look for examples, like apt-cache show kvpnc
[08:17] <TMM> I made all the change
[08:17] <TMM> ok!
[08:18] <TMM> should that Bugs: thing be there too?
[08:19] <siretart> morning
[08:19] <pef> TMM: no
[08:19] <pef> siretart: hello
[08:19] <siretart> Lathiat: pong
[08:19] <siretart> hi pef
[08:19] <TMM> pef, then I think I did it all now, uploading... (Again) ;)
[08:19] <TMM> pef, one day I'll do this all right in one go :P
[08:19] <pef> TMM: experience, experience, and experience :]
[08:19] <TMM> pef, did I handle the dual licensing thing right in debian/copyright you think?
[08:20] <TMM> uploading... (agian) :)
[08:20] <TMM> done :)
[08:21] <TMM> can't have enough revisions, that's what my mother used to say
[08:21] <pef> TMM: I think you should look how others packages handle this
[08:21] <pef> I don't want to tell you something wrong
[08:24] <TMM> pef, do you know a package that has a dual license?
[08:25] <pef> TMM: packages using wxgtk I believe ? try apt-cache rdepends libwxgtk2.6-0
[08:25] <TMM> the wxwindows license is basically a dual license
[08:25] <TMM> you can choose to use it as LGPL
[08:25] <pef> s/wxwindows/wxwidget :]
[08:25] <TMM> well, whatever :P
[08:26] <pef> TMM: mm amule copyright file doesn't mention this at all
[08:26] <TMM> no, it doesn't have to
[08:26] <TMM> but, dvdstyler actually INCLUDES some wx stuff wxXML and wxVillaLib
[08:26] <TMM> in it's source release
[08:28] <TMM> well, there doesn't really seem to be a 'form' for this, I'll just leave it at this
[08:28] <TMM> pef, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=741
[08:28] <TMM> pef, does that address all your concernes?
[08:31] <pef> TMM: You can set debian/control:Standards-Version to <IP_ADDRESS> (to get the current version, get the version of debian-policy package, with $ dpkg -l|grep debian-policy for example)
[08:33] <TMM> meh, it got newer while I was working on it then :)
[08:33] <TMM> I already bumped it once
[08:33] <pef> TMM: and your diff seems a little bit huge :)
[08:33] <pef> contains autotools-dev stuff
[08:33] <pef> a diff must be as small as possible, to makes revision by a MOTU easier and faster
[08:34] <TMM> I was told to do it like this, because running autoconf and friends would be 'evil' according to ajmitch
[08:34] <TMM> from rules
[08:35] <TMM> all it does is remove some of the documents from the makefile
[08:35] <pef> I think a 500Kb diff is evil too :]  but ask confirmation to a MOTU
[08:35] <TMM> ajmitch, says he is a motu :)
[08:35] <pef> TMM: you can't delete this with a rules:clean target ?
[08:36] <TMM> isn't that even MORE evil?
[08:37] <TMM> I'll just explain in a comment
[08:38] <pef> TMM: sometimes upstream tarball is very dirty :/
[08:38] <TMM> it was in this case...
[08:38] <TMM> very ugly debian/ dir... I had to modify the orig.tar.gz
[08:39] <TMM> I tried very hard to not do that, but, I couldn't avoid it
[08:39] <pef> TMM: I had theses two problems with kvpnc, so I wrote a target to modify the upstream tarball, look at kvpnc source package, get-orig-source target
[08:41] <TMM> pef, I don't like that very much...
[08:41] <TMM> I'm not saying you are wrong or anything :)
[08:41] <TMM> I'm not in a position to :P
[08:45] <TMM> I suppose, I could have patched Makefile.in and not re-run auto* ...
[08:47] <TMM> although, that *IS* rather dirty as well :)
[08:49] <TMM> ajmitch, what do you think?
[08:52] <pef> TMM: it's a way some people here gave to me, and it's an official debian solution
[08:53] <TMM> I think I'll try to patch the Makefile.in
[08:53] <TMM> it's a tad eleborate for such a small change imho
[08:59] <ivoks> morning
[08:59] <Diablo-D3> <-- TyrantSabre has quit (Quit: <[Drum] > "Street Fighter Alpha mega super turtle mission XX guilty pleasure fanservice volleyball beash mega smash gear tron robot uber ulta turbo dash pause breathe tardo poptart 2!" <Skye_Alpha> You forgot Chapionship Edition)
[09:00] <sivang> MOrning MOTUS
[09:00] <sivang> What's up all??
[09:00] <TMM> pef, yeah, this works just fine :)
[09:00] <ivoks> hi
[09:00] <TMM> and now, the diff.gz is only 6.5kb :)
[09:00] <zakame> 3 pm here :D
[09:01] <sivang> hey ivoks
[09:01] <sivang> zakame: you shoudl go to sleep dude, or else :)
[09:01] <ivoks> most of my packages have bad C/C++ instructions :(
[09:01] <zakame> sivang: nah, I've had my siesta :)
[09:02] <sivang> zakame: lol
[09:02] <TMM> meh, I only slept for 2 hours, and I'm fine... ish
[09:02] <TMM> ;)
[09:04] <TMM> no more hugeness
[09:04] <TMM> :)
[09:05] <zakame> TMM: w00t!
[09:07] <pef> TMM: the problem is you just moved the stuff :/
[09:07] <mikhail^> ivoks: need help with that?
[09:08] <TMM> pef, I didn't move anything, did I?
[09:08] <TMM> pef, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=743
[09:08] <ivoks> mikhail^: if you have time...
[09:09] <mikhail^> ivoks: which package is that?
[09:09] <ivoks> mikhail^: redboot, rivet, rockdodger... :))
[09:10] <pef> TMM: sorry ;)
[09:11] <TMM> it feels a bit dirty though :)
[09:12] <mikhail^> ivoks: lemme pick one. :)
[09:12] <ivoks> mikhail^: wait...
[09:12] <ivoks> mikhail^: i'll tell you which one, since most of them have same errors
[09:13] <TMM> pef, you think this is OK?
[09:13] <TMM> LOL, I did 10 dput's already...
[09:13] <ivoks> mikhail^: go with rockrodger :)
[09:14] <mikhail^> ivoks: you mean rockdodger?
[09:14] <ivoks> mikhail^: yup
[09:14] <pef> TMM: seems ok for, but it must be ok for a MOTU :)
[09:15] <TMM> I just wondered if patching the Makefile.in isn't a bit tooo dirty :)
[09:15] <siretart> err. marillat has been using revu?!
[09:15] <siretart> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=617
[09:15] <mikhail^> ivoks: it's supposed to build?
[09:16] <siretart> impossible..
[09:16] <TMM> siretart, just use http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=743 that acutally works ;)
[09:16] <TMM> :P
[09:17] <ivoks> mikhail^: it dies on me
[09:17] <mikhail^> ivoks: it says what when it dies on you?
[09:17] <ivoks> mikhail^: it should build, but, heh, it returns "array type has incomplete element type"
[09:17] <ivoks> mikhail^: main.c:209
[09:17] <mikhail^> ivoks: hmmm...
[09:18] <ivoks> crap :)
[09:18] <siretart> ah, thats an old upload from ivoks.. okay
[09:19] <ivoks> i runned buildpackage -d, to check out which libs this package is missing, since one in build-depends isn't in ubuntu...
[09:19] <ivoks> and... funny thing... package build inspite that :)
[09:19] <pef> TMM: ugly, because # Makefile.in generated by automake 1.6.3 from Makefile.am. IMHO :/
[09:19] <ivoks> siretart: ?
[09:19] <TMM> pef, I *know*
[09:19] <siretart> ivoks: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=617 has a signature of a key of yours
[09:20] <TMM> pef, but, for one package, it doesn't really matter... as this is basically the same as what re-running automake does, kinda, but without a 500kb patch
[09:20] <ivoks> siretart: ah, that one is allready uploaded
[09:20] <ivoks> siretart: kill it from revu, it was a mistake
[09:20] <mikhail^> ivoks: i know. I'll send you a patch.
[09:20] <siretart> done
[09:20] <ivoks> mikhail^: thanks! :)
[09:20] <ivoks> mikhail^: you know the address?
[09:21] <mikhail^> ivoks: nope.
[09:21] <mikhail^> :D
[09:21] <ivoks> mikhail^: ivoks at ubuntu.com
[09:22] <pef> TMM: and if it needs to be regenerated for something else than x86 ?
[09:22] <TMM> pef, good point...
[09:22] <TMM> ok... can I remove an upload?? :)
[09:22] <TMM> I knew this, but I didn't think about it...
[09:23] <TMM> pef, it doesn't need to be regenerated
[09:24] <TMM> pef, obviously... the .in file is complemented by ./configure, that handles all the platform specific stuff
[09:25] <TMM> I knew it, didn't think about it, and turned out that I didn't need to think about it :P
[09:25] <pef> TMM: if Makefile.in is generated from Makefile.am by automake, why don't just delete it ?
[09:26] <mikhail^> ivoks: sending...
[09:26] <mikhail^> ivoks: sent. :)
[09:26] <ivoks> mikhail^: thanks!
[09:26] <mikhail^> ivoks: lemme know if it makes a difference... ;)
[09:27] <ivoks> will do
[09:27] <TMM> pef, Makefile.am you mean?
[09:27] <pef> TMM: .in, generated from .am
[09:27] <TMM> pef, I know
[09:29] <TMM> I don't think it matters much, if you do the patch approach however you do it, it's going to go *boom* if you change something
[09:29] <TMM> the only 'good' way would be to just patch Makefile.am and run auto*
[09:30] <TMM> but I was told that would be bad because you'd tie the package to a specific auto* version
[09:30] <mikhail^> zakame: welcome back. :)
[09:30] <ivoks> mikhail^: good job man :)
[09:30] <zakame> mikhail^: thanks :)
[09:30] <pef> TMM: it's why I like the get-orig-source target : you clean everything wrong on upstream tarball, and you're fine
[09:30] <mikhail^> ivoks: it works?
[09:30] <ivoks> mikhail^: yes, still lots of warnings, but, well...
[09:31] <mikhail^> ivoks: lemme finish my thesis manuscript and I'd love hacking at it with you someday. :)
[09:31] <ivoks> possible ftbs on 64bit, but that i'll have to check..
[09:31] <TMM> pef, what I don't like about it is that if at buildtime sf.net is down (which isn't quite imaginary) it'll fail to build
[09:31] <mikhail^> ivoks: but does it "play" and not crash on you anymore?
[09:32] <pef> TMM: every solution has it's problems, the game is to find the one who has less than others :D
[09:33] <TMM> if you have to change upstream I'd rather change orig.tar.gz than download it, change it, then save it... the net-result is the same
[09:33] <TMM> a .orig.tar.gz that isn't actually the original
[09:33] <zakame> hmmm, is the lighttpd license accepted by ubuntu?
[09:33] <zakame> I read that it is a revised bsd license
[09:34] <ivoks> i didn't play so stopid game for ages :))
[09:34] <pef> TMM: but with the get-orig-target, for next release, chances are big that the target will work again, the patch less chances
[09:35] <TMM> this last patch is actually rather resilient I think
[09:35] <mikhail^> ivoks: hehehe
[09:35] <TMM> unless they add a document they want to co-install from the root of the sourcetree
[09:35] <TMM> which is rather unlikely to happen :)
[09:36] <pef> TMM: ohh, and you can add a watchfile to your debian layout :)
[09:36] <TMM> pef, care to explain? I've got no idea what that is
[09:37] <pef> TMM: you run uscan, and it tells you if a new release is available
[09:38] <TMM> uscan...
[09:39] <pef> TMM: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dother.en.html#s-watch
[09:39] <ivoks> who writes this programs?! :)
[09:40] <ivoks> it has two different declarations for same type :)
[09:40] <TMM> pef, is that useful
[09:40] <TMM> ?
[09:42] <pef> TMM: to upgrade to next release, yes. You have version 0.8, release 0.9 is out. You run uscan, it retrieves 0.9 sources, you run uupdate, and 0.9 version is packaged using 0.8 debian layout
[09:43] <pef> it has certainly other advantages, but I'm not a package master :)
[09:43] <TMM> I'll just do it manual for this package :)
[09:43] <pef> bbl later, go to post office
[09:54] <mikhail^> ivoks: which one are you talking about?
[09:56] <ivoks> mikhail^: um... zopex3
[09:56] <ivoks> it's unfixable
[09:56] <mikhail^> ivoks: it's in python?
[09:56] <ivoks> it declares two different types with same name
[09:57] <mikhail^> ivoks: i couldn't help you with that then... :D
[09:57] <ivoks> it's ok
[09:57] <mikhail^> hehehehe
[09:57] <mikhail^> << will do C/C++ but will not touch Python
[09:58] <mikhail^> gtg peeps... gotta get out of the house.
[10:10] <pef> FTBS = fail to build ... ?
[10:10] <ivoks> source
[10:10] <pef> thanks
[10:10] <ivoks> np
[11:01] <ivoks> urrggghh!
[11:46] <TMM> what happens to my package on revu if it's not accepted before breezy? will it get another chance for dapper?
[11:48] <spayne> hi gang
[11:48] <spayne> does anyone know what happened to resapplet?
[11:48] <Yagisan> TMM: should do
[11:48] <Yagisan> TMM: mine missed breezy - to I'm targeting dapper
[11:50] <TMM> I am not sure if it missed breezy or not
[11:51] <TMM> the package should be fine for dapper too, I'm sure
[11:56] <Yagisan> TMM: considering breezy is out in a few days -  If you haven't got sponsors by now - it missed breezy
[11:57] <TMM> I only uploaded yesterday :)
[11:58] <TMM> doesn't matter
[11:58] <ivoks> hi
[11:58] <TMM> hi
[12:00] <ivoks> hm..
[12:00] <ivoks> TMM: could you try something for me?
[12:03] <spayne> ivoks: mornin
[12:03] <ivoks> any1 here?
[12:03] <ivoks> spayne: hi
[12:04] <ivoks> could someone run gnome-cups-add and tell me if it crashes for him?
[12:04] <spayne> ivoks: do you have any idea what is going on with resapplet?
[12:04] <spayne> ivoks: doing it now
[12:04] <spayne> ivoks: no
[12:04] <ivoks> hm
[12:04] <spayne> ivoks: added a printer and removed it without problems
[12:05] <ivoks> res applet?
[12:05] <ivoks> wich one is that?
[12:06] <spayne> ivoks: the one i packaged :)
[12:06] <TMM> ivoks, sure
[12:06] <ivoks> revu?
[12:06] <Yagisan> ivoks: G'day - hows the raid ?
[12:06] <spayne> ivoks: tseng uploaded it IIRC and was waiting for elmo
[12:06] <ivoks> Yagisan: pending monday :)
[12:06] <TMM> ivoks, if you tell me what it is :)
[12:07] <ivoks> TMM: run gnome-cups-add
[12:07] <ivoks> TMM: and tell me if it crashes
[12:07] <ivoks> spayne: resapplet is the name of source?
[12:08] <spayne> ivoks: yes
[12:08] <ivoks> spayne: no souch source anywhere :/
[12:09] <ivoks> spayne: not uploaded
[12:09] <spayne> ivoks: i am a totally new guy - not MOTU, not Member (applying on Tues)
[12:09] <TMM> ** (gnome-cups-add:22332): WARNING **: Two ppds have driver == 'hpijs (recommended)'
[12:09] <TMM>         ->hplip/HP-PSC_2500-hpijs.ppd (HP PSC 2500 Foomatic/hpijs[1] ) and
[12:09] <TMM>         ->foomatic-ppds/hplip/HP-PSC_2500-hpijs.ppd (HP PSC 2500 Foomatic/hpijs)[1]
[12:09] <TMM> no crash though
[12:09] <TMM> seems to be ok
[12:09] <ivoks> TMM: ok, thanks
[12:09] <Yagisan> ivoks: gnome-cups-add works for me - ehat version do you want tested ?
[12:09] <Yagisan> s/ehat/what
[12:09] <ivoks> Yagisan: last one
[12:09] <spayne> tseng: ping
[12:09] <ivoks> spayne: where did you upload your source?
[12:10] <spayne> ivoks: i didn't because my GPG isn't signed
[12:10] <spayne> ivoks: loads of MOTUs checked it out
[12:10] <ivoks> spayne: where?
[12:10] <spayne> ivoks: so it didn't need to go through REVU
[12:10] <spayne> ivoks: the sources are on my webserver - let me get the link
[12:10] <Yagisan> ivoks: well - I don't have any gnome upgrades pending - so that should have been the latest
[12:10] <TMM> ivoks, should it crash?
[12:10] <ivoks> TMM: ofcourse not :)
[12:11] <ivoks> probably some mistake in my ubuntu :)
[12:11] <spayne> ivoks: http://www.evolutionconsultancy.com/~spayne/packages/resapplet/
[12:11] <spayne> i have just found this bug: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/gnome-blog/+bug/2957
[12:11] <TMM> ivoks, I've got 0.31-0ubuntu3 of gnome-cups-manager installed, not sure if that is the right packag
[12:11] <spayne> should i fix gnome-blog as it suggests
[12:12] <TMM> ivoks, it is :)
[12:12] <ivoks> spayne: i'll do it
[12:12] <spayne> ivoks: bddebian, tseng and dholbach have all checked it through
[12:12] <TMM> am I supposed to be able to advocate my own package?
[12:12] <TMM> on revu?
[12:12] <spayne> ivoks: will it upset tseng?
[12:12] <ivoks> TMM: no :)
[12:12] <ivoks> spayne: gnome-blog?
[12:12] <ivoks> spayne: no
[12:12] <TMM> I just advocated my own package?
[12:13] <TMM> I just wanted to test :P
[12:13] <spayne> ivoks: just trying to find some bugs in malone that can be fixed
[12:13] <ivoks> spayne: but i don't know what's with your package... i'll leave that to tseng
[12:13] <spayne> ivoks: so, should i close that bug?
[12:13] <ivoks> spayne: no
[12:13] <spayne> ivoks: should i change gnome-blog?
[12:13] <TMM> removed it again, probably not fair :)
[12:13] <ivoks> spayne: no
[12:13] <spayne> ivoks: can i do anything?
[12:13] <sivang> guys, any left MOTU work to do ? I want to get some packages uploaded with me on the changlog :)
[12:14] <ivoks> sivang: :))
[12:14] <TMM> me too, me too!
[12:14] <spayne> ivoks: just trying to find some bugs to fix or stuff to get done for Breezy
[12:14] <ivoks> spayne: you can provide diff for packages you want to fix
[12:14] <sivang> hmm, Daniel is not here
[12:15] <Yagisan> yay - wesnoth 1.0 appeared in my updates list :)
[12:15] <ivoks> anyway... gnome-blog is broken :)
[12:15] <spayne> ivoks: packages i want to fix? diff?
[12:15] <sivang> ivoks: ok, what are you currently striving to get working? are the transitions all overs?
[12:15] <ivoks> sivang: you want to do something? :)
[12:15] <sivang> ivoks: I was busy with lpi stuff and other main related, but now I am writing some BOFs and in the background I figured I' help the MOTUs some bits
[12:16] <sivang> ivoks: yep, anything interesting ?
[12:16] <ivoks> sivang: yup, tons of stuff :)
[12:16] <ivoks> sivang: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFS
[12:16] <sivang> uh-ha!
[12:16] <spayne> ivoks: do you know any bugs/packages that need fixing?
[12:17] <sivang> can you sponser my uploads? my Key is not signed yet...
[12:17] <ivoks> spayne: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFS
[12:17] <ivoks> uh :)
[12:17] <ivoks> am i the only motu here? :))
[12:17] <markuman> ivoks: :-)
[12:17] <ivoks> i can't server you all guys in the same time :)
[12:17] <ivoks> s/server/serve
[12:18] <spayne> ivoks: what does FTBFS mean btw?
[12:18] <ivoks> faild to build source
[12:18] <sivang> ivoks: technically speaking, I am a MOTU already :) but until my key is signed in UBZ i can't upload myself
[12:18] <markuman> ivoks: but you can vote for may upload on revu :-)
[12:18] <TMM> ivoks, would you mind looking my package over for me? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=743 if you have the time? I think I've got everything right now :) just want to make sure
[12:18] <ivoks> sivang: ah, that doesn't change a thing for me :)
[12:18] <ivoks> omg
[12:18] <sivang> lol
[12:19] <ivoks> TMM: not good
[12:19] <TMM> ivoks, to ask?
[12:19] <ivoks> TMM: you can't change Makefile directly
[12:19] <ivoks> TMM: all your changes must be inside debian tree
[12:19] <ivoks> TMM: nothing outside of it
[12:20] <TMM> ivoks, I don't get it, what do you mean?
[12:20] <TMM> and it was Makefile.in
[12:20] <TMM> :)
[12:20] <ivoks> TMM: that's irrelevant
[12:20] <ivoks> ok, for everybody
[12:20] <ivoks> all changes that packager is doing, must be inside debian/ subdirectory
[12:20] <TMM> ivoks, I'ts being patched with dpatch
[12:21] <TMM> ivoks, and that patch lives in debian/patches
[12:21] <ivoks> TMM: uh, sorry
[12:21] <ivoks> TMM: i saw you comment (about patching directly) :)
[12:22] <TMM> ivoks, this a better comment? :)
[12:23] <spayne> ivoks: sorry to bother you but i thought i'd look at ooqstart as it looks simple
[12:23] <spayne> ivoks: do i download the source and attempt to build it?
[12:23] <ivoks> spayne: apt-get source ooqstart
[12:23] <ivoks> spayne: and then, inside of it, fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage
[12:24] <spayne> ivoks: thanks man - sorry to bother you
[12:24] <ivoks> TMM: why didn't you just change upstream debian/?
[12:24] <TMM> ivoks, because there seemed to be a lot missing
[12:24] <TMM> and it has a files file
[12:24] <Yagisan> TMM: your package looks ok at the moment (may be problems with the source repack though). When I get some time I'll check it on amd64/i386
[12:25] <TMM> that 'files' file gives a lot of trouble
[12:25] <Yagisan> TMM: check out debnest
[12:25] <TMM> dpkg won't pick it up if you remove it, and so, it stays in the package, lintian complains that autobuilds will fail
[12:25] <markuman> wb \sh :-)
[12:25] <sivang> hey \sh  :)
[12:26] <spayne> \sh: yo
[12:26] <TMM> Yagisan, what is debnest?
[12:26] <spayne> \sh: do you know what is going on with my resapplet package?
[12:26] <ivoks> everybody, abuse \sh now :)
[12:26] <\sh> moins
[12:26] <\sh> just got up now...and trying to fix xterm...so I'm busy ;)
[12:26] <ivoks> \sh: morning
[12:26] <Yagisan> TMM: Its for upstream sources that have problems like included /debian dirs
[12:26] <\sh> ivoks: absuing me? when why and who? ,-)
[12:26] <Yagisan> TMM: search for it in aptitude
[12:26] <TMM> Yagisan, I read the writeup, but, will that solve that files problem?
[12:26] <ivoks> \sh: all the motu helpers here
[12:27] <ivoks> \sh: when? all the time :)
[12:27] <ivoks> \sh: please, help me... i can't do them 5 in the same time :)
[12:27] <TMM> Yagisan, if you remove it, and build the package, it will stay there, because dpkg things it shound be there, and leaves it in the dsc, or something, at least, it gets packaged :)
[12:27] <\sh> *rotfl*
[12:27] <Yagisan> TMM: I don't know - it may help (I've never used it - but it looks useful)
[12:28] <ivoks> markuman: this loks ok, i'll try building it
[12:28] <\sh> ivoks: ok what's up? I just try to fix xterm and after that I have to go shopping
[12:28] <\sh> and then I will fix universe ;)
[12:28] <markuman> ivoks: ok
[12:28] <TMM> Yagisan, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=316 note " chaning .orig from upstream tar is standard practice for removing debian directories etc. "
[12:28] <ivoks> \sh: ok, then, when you get back...
[12:29] <\sh> ivoks: no come on what is it?
[12:30] <Yagisan> TMM: not always - but I'm not the one to convince (I have to do a dfsg repack on mine =-O )
[12:30] <ivoks> markuman: one remark...
[12:30] <TMM> Yagisan, dfsg?
[12:30] <ivoks> markuman: config.guss and config.sub shouldn't be in diff
[12:30] <TMM> Yagisan, isn't that security related or something?
[12:30] <pef> Yagisan: and what do you think about the get-orig-source target to clean upstream tarball ?
[12:30] <Yagisan> TMM: Debian Free Software Guidelines
[12:30] <TMM> ahh
[12:30] <markuman> hm
[12:31] <Yagisan> pef: I haven't used that yet - but it should also be useful
[12:32] <ivoks> markuman: not big deal..
[12:32] <Yagisan> TMM: my upstream needs a licensing cluebat or 2
[12:32] <TMM> IMHO it's not good to depend on 3rd party mirrors, it might make it impossible to apt-get source
[12:32] <TMM> in fact
[12:33] <Yagisan> TMM: I have to rip 66% of the features out =-O
[12:33] <pef> Yagisan: I think it's a clean way to make changes to upstream tarball because it's autodocumented, so ne needs to add something to readme.debian
[12:33] <TMM> if you use get-orig-source and the mirror that it points to is down, debian might be in GPL violation :P
[12:33] <TMM> if you want to get anal about it
[12:34] <TMM> Yagisan, what package are you referring to?
[12:34] <Yagisan> pef: we could - but I'd more then likely manually repack myself
[12:34] <Yagisan> TMM: mine ? deng
[12:34] <TMM> ahhh
[12:34] <TMM> I've seen a whole host of packages for that
[12:35] <Yagisan> TMM: :) yeah - I sent about 40% of my repo to revu - the data packages need license clarifications too
[12:35] <TMM> lol
[12:36] <TMM> pef, I said that GPL violation thing a little bit to spite you, but, if you think about it a bit, I think it is actually true. If the upstream site ceases to exist, and you can't provide sources because of that...
[12:36] <Yagisan> TMM: I think I concerned siretart when I asked how much space he had - right before uploading that :-D
[12:36] <ivoks> \sh: take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=744 - looks ok to me, got my advocate
[12:37] <Yagisan> TMM, pef - I would decide that on a case by case basis - depending on the package - and it's upstream mirrors
[12:37] <ivoks> \sh: please :)
[12:37] <pef> ok :]
[12:37] <\sh> doing so
[12:38] <TMM> owww, do I get an advocate too? :P
[12:38] <\sh> ivoks: hmmm
[12:38] <ivoks> \sh: yes?
[12:38] <TMM> Yagisan, the mirror is sf.net... you'd have to use sfget or something or directly link to one mirror, which kind of defeats the purpose :)
[12:39] <TMM> plus, sf.net...
[12:39] <ivoks> \sh: i know, config.guess and .sub...
[12:39] <ivoks> autoconf is evil :)
[12:40] <ivoks> as is automake :)
[12:40] <\sh> ivoks: no copyright ;)
[12:40] <ivoks> \sh: ?
[12:40] <ivoks> \sh: there is copyright
[12:41] <\sh> yes..but should be there at least the very special paragraph?
[12:41] <ivoks> \sh: like...?
[12:42] <\sh> ivoks: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/2874
[12:42] <\sh> ivoks: this is from gcl
[12:42] <ivoks> \sh: afaik, this isn't must have
[12:43] <ivoks> \sh: copyright states under what license software is issued
[12:43] <ivoks> \sh: and it gives you direction where to read it
[12:43] <\sh> ivoks: but there was something written in the debian maintainer guide...
[12:43] <\sh> who did point me to that
[12:43] <ivoks> \sh: if you check packages, most of them don't have this
[12:43] <pef> TMM: about the sf.net mirror, someone has wrote a script to manage sf.net mirrors
[12:44] <TMM> pef, sfget
[12:44] <TMM> :)
[12:44] <ivoks> \sh: check out gnome-games-data :)
[12:44] <\sh> - debian/copyright is a bit small... must include the full 3 paragraphs (including warranty stuff, etc)
[12:44] <ivoks> \sh: it has even less info :)
[12:44] <\sh> slomo pointed me
[12:44] <pef> TMM: oh I doesn't know this tools :)
[12:44] <ivoks> \sh: hm...
[12:45] <SloMoSnail> hi everybody
[12:45] <ivoks> \sh: then we should repackage most of main and universe :)
[12:45] <\sh> ivoks: doesn't matter...builds fine and looks ok
[12:46] <\sh> ivoks: upload ;)
[12:46] <ivoks> let me :)
[12:46] <slomo> \sh: ajmitch told me that this is a must ;)
[12:46] <sivang> what is popcon?
[12:46] <sivang> what's all those talking about managing a sf.net repo?
[12:47] <ivoks> slomo: what is a must?
[12:47] <ivoks> slomo: copyright? that's right...
[12:47] <sivang> (/me apologizes for the trying to get in sync questions)
[12:47] <slomo> ivoks: yes
[12:47] <ivoks> slomo: but we don't have to have GPL in copyright, and then on the bottom link to that same GPL again
[12:47] <ivoks> slomo: most of packages in main and universe don't have so much of GPL in copyright file
[12:47] <\sh> ivoks: it was a request to you to upload, yes ;)
[12:47] <ivoks> slomo: just info about where, who and where is GPL :)
[12:48] <slomo> ivoks: no, not the complete gpl but these 3 paragraphs afaik
[12:48] <ivoks> slomo: hm... i don't see a point, since there is a link to full GPL
[12:49] <Yagisan> slomo: G'day slomo
[12:50] <ivoks> markuman: pending upload ;)
[12:50] <slomo> ivoks: i mean this 3: "copyright (c) bla" "this program is free software...under the terms of the GPL..." "this program ... comes with no warranty"
[12:50] <ivoks> slomo: i know...
[12:50] <slomo> ivoks: they don't include the license but only point out under which license this can be used and outlines some parts of the license
[12:50] <ivoks> slomo: ok, we can agree that this should be policy
[12:50] <TMM> ivoks, apart from the thing that ISN'T wrong with my package :P is there anything wrong?
[12:51] <markuman> yeah thx ivoks and \sh :-)
[12:51] <ivoks> TMM: relax, one by one... i'll check your package now...
[12:51] <slomo> ivoks: ok... and when it's no license in /usr/share/wherever the complete license must be copied into copyright, correct?
[12:51] <ivoks> slomo: yes
[12:52] <TMM> ivoks, :) just kidding, I thought it was a cool scentense :)
[12:52] <Yagisan> TMM: calm down - some of us are testing it
[12:52] <Yagisan> TMM: damm lag - it was a joke
[12:53] <slomo> ivoks: ok, then we have the same opinion now ;) but do we really have a policy somewhere? i only know about the debian one
[12:53] <ivoks> slomo: we don't, that's the problem
[12:53] <ivoks> slomo: we should disccuss this on next motu meeting
[12:53] <ivoks> slomo: and till then, just go as we did till now
[12:54] <ivoks> slomo: althoug, imho, this isn't issue at all, since there is a link to full license and, well, suits are pleased :)
[12:54] <Yagisan> slomo, ivoks: I thought what wasn't explicitly stated as Ubuntu policy - was the same as Debian policy
[12:54] <slomo> ivoks: maybe we should start writing something before as a draft the meeting so people can better decide?
[12:55] <ivoks> slomo: be my guest :)
[12:55] <slomo> ivoks: and i think we don't need to copy everything from the debian policy ;)
[12:55] <ivoks> slomo: well, we don't go to far from it, since we do take packages from debian :)
[12:55] <ivoks> slomo: so, we don't want to do too much work that's obsolete
[12:57] <ivoks> TMM: what's your package?
[12:57] <slomo> ivoks: ok... i'll write it on my todo list but i can't promise that i can write something before the meeting ;) when is the meeting?
[12:57] <ivoks> TMM: tmm isn't much descriptive nickname :)
[12:57] <TMM> ivoks, dvdauthor
[12:57] <TMM> ivoks, dvdSTYLER
[12:57] <TMM> :)
[12:57] <TMM> sorry
[12:58] <ivoks> slomo: 19th
[12:58] <ivoks> i love evolution-data-center :)
[12:58] <Yagisan> TMM: FTBFS amd64
[12:59] <TMM> Yagisan, got a log?
[12:59] <ivoks> :/
[12:59] <ivoks> cdbs?
[12:59] <Yagisan> TMM: where do you want the log mailed
[12:59] <ivoks> nice... if that's your work :)
[12:59] <TMM> Yagisan, address on the revu please :)
[12:59] <TMM> ivoks, cdbs not good?
[12:59] <ivoks> it is...
[01:00] <TMM> Yagisan, I don't have an amd64 here...
[01:00] <ivoks> TMM: maybe you should consider simple patch system for cdbs
[01:00] <ivoks> TMM: but that's only suggestion
[01:01] <TMM> ivoks, ajmitch told me to use dpatch :)
[01:01] <ivoks> Yagisan: give me that log too :)
[01:01] <ivoks> TMM: ok :)
[01:01] <ivoks> TMM:
[01:01] <ivoks> TMM: TIMTOWTDI
[01:01] <TMM> ???
[01:02] <ivoks> There Is More Than One Way To Do It
[01:02] <TMM> ahhh
[01:02] <TMM> I understand that :)
[01:02] <TMM> I tried to do it the 'motu' way :)\
[01:02] <TMM> or something
[01:02] <Yagisan> TMM: mailed - ivoks: where too ?
[01:03] <ivoks> Yagisan: ivoks at ubuntu.com
[01:04] <slomo> hmm... where's dholbach :(
[01:04] <TMM> Yagisan, thanks
[01:05] <Yagisan> ivoks: mailed
[01:05] <slomo> hmm... siretart? if i make a derivate of a package in main... i.e. add a build-depend and don't change anything else (except package names and a conflict/provide)... must it be uploaded to revu or can it go directly up?
[01:05] <Yagisan> I'm happy to build packages on amd64 and mail the logs to people without access to an amd64
[01:05] <ivoks> Yagisan: simple one
[01:05] <ivoks> TMM: will you fix it or should I do it?
[01:06] <TMM> ivoks, I still don't have the log...
[01:06] <ivoks> TMM: ok
[01:06] <TMM> ivoks, I'd rather fix it myself, and have one package done all by me :)
[01:06] <Yagisan> TMM: your mail must be slow
[01:06] <TMM> Yagisan, apparently
[01:06] <ivoks> TMM: /me has it's own mail server :)
[01:06] <ivoks> with three AV, two spam checkers and .procmailrc :)
[01:07] <TMM> I have root on my mailserver too :P
[01:07] <TMM> so booohoooo
[01:07] <TMM> :P
[01:07] <ivoks> TMM: then fix your mailserver :)
[01:07] <Yagisan> ivoks: I just use gmail and yahoo.com.au as spam filtering relays
[01:08] <ivoks> um... /me needs help :/
[01:08] <Yagisan> ivoks: (my office is accessible to small children - no server survives unscathed :( )
[01:08] <ivoks> how do i sign packages from other people?
[01:09] <ivoks> i did dpkg-buildpackage -S<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:09] <ivoks> signed it and upload it
[01:09] <ivoks> but it seems to get droped
[01:09] <TMM> Yagisan, still don't have it...
[01:10] <TMM> Yagisan, thanks
[01:10] <ivoks> TMM: it's a c++ error
[01:10] <Yagisan> TMM: you are the first person in a long time that's worked for
[01:10] <\sh> ivoks: aehm...taskmanager?
[01:11] <\sh> ivoks: if yes, you should check debuild -S -sa<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:11] <TMM> Yagisan, DCC sends?
[01:11] <ivoks> ah, right
[01:11] <\sh> ivoks: because it's new and new source ;)
[01:11] <Yagisan> TMM: yep
[01:11] <ivoks> \sh: yup, my mistake
[01:11] <\sh> ok..one more cigarette and then shoppin
[01:12] <\sh> g
[01:12] <\sh> xterm is upstream and he responded already
[01:12] <Yagisan> anyone here use ltsp ?
[01:13] <Yagisan> if so - who wants to test the beginnings of a multi-client-arch patch I'm starting ?
[01:14] <ivoks> i have to go too...
[01:14] <ivoks> see you all
[01:14] <TMM> Yagisan, I think I've got it
[01:14] <TMM> please hold :)
[01:14] <Yagisan> Bye ivoks
[01:17] <TMM> Yagisan, will you stick around for a bit to test it please?
[01:19] <Yagisan> TMM: I'm here for a while - I'm woring on the ltsp stuff for work
[01:19] <Yagisan> TMM: I might disappear occasionally (small kids + dinner soon)
[01:19] <TMM> great!
[01:19] <TMM> this won't take long
[01:20] <Yagisan> s/woring/working
[01:22] <TMM> Yagisan, thanks
[01:23] <Yagisan> bye \sh
[01:23] <\sh> thinking of buying some pumpkins for halloween during UBZ ,-)
[01:27] <TMM> Yagisan, found them?
[01:28] <Yagisan> TMM: getting to it
[01:28] <TMM> no rush
[01:41] <Lathiat> siretart: ping?
[01:46] <siretart> Lathiat: pong
[01:48] <Lathiat> siretart: my account on revu, i cant remember the password
[01:48] <Lathiat> but if i get a gpg thing
[01:48] <Lathiat> it decrypts blank
[01:48] <Lathiat> so i figure its perhaps broken not i forgot it
[01:48] <siretart> I'll check
[01:49] <siretart> Lathiat<EMAIL_ADDRESS>decrypts correctly for me.. huh?
[01:49] <siretart> Lathiat: what was your gpg key again?
[01:50] <Lathiat><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:50] <Lathiat> key id DFC55597
[01:50] <siretart> strange that key IS in the keyring
[01:51] <Lathiat> like i can decrypt it just it comes out blank
[01:51] <Lathiat> i'll try again
[01:51] <Lathiat> ditto
[01:52] <siretart><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:52] <siretart> this is the email you are using, yes?
[01:52] <Lathiat> ya
[01:52] <Lathiat> thats what i went to
[01:52] <Lathiat> yes
[01:52] <Lathiat> how can i make it decrypt output to a file
[01:52] <Lathiat> rather than stdout
[01:52] <Lathiat> maybe it doesnt have a newline
[01:52] <Lathiat> and its getting overwritten
[01:52] <Lathiat> or something
[01:53] <siretart> ah, thats of corse possible
[01:53] <siretart> Lathiat: I mailed your password
[01:53] <Yagisan> siretart: could you add me to reviewer status at revu - so I can leave comments re: working or not on amd64 ?
[01:53] <Lathiat> ok
[01:54] <Yagisan> siretart: I just tested TMMs package - and I'd like to leave a note that it works
[01:54] <Lathiat> ok i loged in now
[01:54] <Lathiat> thanks
[01:54] <Lathiat> can i change that password?
[01:54] <siretart> by mailing me a new one :/
[01:54] <Lathiat> haha
[01:54] <siretart> or better<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:55] <tseng> im a big fan of ff 1.5
[01:57] <Lathiat> ff 1.5 ?
[01:58] <tseng> firefox beta
[01:58] <siretart> Yagisan: you arn't motu yet, are you?
[01:58] <siretart> Yagisan: the thing is, that reviewing is bound to advocating rights, in the current implementation
[01:59] <Yagisan> siretart: No - I'm not a motu. I do check the packages out and see if they abuild on amd64 though
[02:00] <Yagisan> siretart: I can't advocate - I can only do a basic portablity check
[02:00] <siretart> jupp. thats right
[02:00] <siretart> sorry, this is not possible, yet. will come with revu
[02:00] <siretart> 2
[02:01] <Yagisan> siretart: ok
[02:10] <\sh> re
[02:17] <Lathiat> Fuddl: yo, left some comments on your quake3-data upload
[02:17] <Fuddl> Lathiat: k, i'll have a look at them later
[02:18] <Lathiat> Fuddl: just minor stuff, otherwise the rest is good
[02:18] <Fuddl> jieehaa! :)
[02:18] <Fuddl> minor stuff sounds good :)
[02:19] <siretart> like ubuntu ;)
[02:19] <Fuddl> not at the moment....
[02:19] <Fuddl> cu siretart
[02:20] <slomo> bah... why is the wiki so slow today :(
[02:23] <\sh> moins ogra
[02:23] <ogra> hea
[02:23] <ogra> *heya
[02:23] <Lathiat> Fuddl: oh and yes, congrautlations on uploading a *real* native package ;p
[02:25] <Fuddl> it wasn't my idea, i had a glance at quake2-data how they did the data-installer in that package
[02:26] <tseng> what happens if you use shareware data
[02:26] <tseng> is there a timer?
[02:27] <tseng> or i guess just no levels
[02:27] <Fuddl> upstream says, that pak-files from the demo won't work. well, i didn't try it at least, but a friend of mine reported it works fine
[02:28] <Fuddl> so i left out the option to install demo data, to avoid bug reports now or in the future
[02:37] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:38] <spayne> yo bddebian
[02:38] <bddebian> Hello spayne
[02:38] <bddebian> slomo: You around?
[02:38] <slomo> yes
[02:39] <bddebian> slomo: Do you have any idea why wxwidgets2.6 failed on the buildds?  It builds fine for me and the build-dep it seems to fail on is there..?
[02:40] <slomo> bddebian: give me the buildlog :)
[02:41] <bddebian> slomo: Mine or from the buildd?
[02:41] <slomo> buildd
[02:42] <bddebian> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/w/wxwidgets2.6/<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu4/
[02:45] <bddebian> crimsun: You around?
[02:50] <slomo> bddebian: i'll take a look after adding comments to the ftbfs page ;)
[02:51] <bddebian> NP
[02:52] <slomo> btw, we can remove all the mono stuff from there... ia64 has no mono and for all other archs everything builds
[02:53] <bddebian> And someone needs to build gnat on PPC for me ;-P
[02:53] <slomo> gnat was really big, wasn't it?
[02:54] <slomo> bddebian: oh cool... i'll fix wxwidgets2.6... that looks interesting ;)
[02:55] <bddebian> slomo: What's to fix?
[02:55] <slomo> don't know yet... but it looks interesting ;)
[02:55] <bddebian> slomo: I don't know if gnat is big but it's one that needs itself to build ;-P
[02:56] <slomo> bddebian: talk to lamont/infinity... maybe they bootstrap it on the buildds
[02:57] <\sh> bddebian: what about an old version of gnat using for the bootstrap process?
[02:58] <bddebian> I don't have PPC :-)
[02:58] <slomo> bddebian: does it work on other archs?
[02:58] <TMM> Yagisan, finially, I got your email :P
[02:58] <bddebian> I can't figure out where this libofx.la file is coming from in libofx :-(
[02:58] <slomo> \sh: our evolution bug seems to be the same... the backtrace are _very_ similar
[02:58] <bddebian> slomo: Just x86
[02:58] <slomo> bddebian: libtool
[02:59] <slomo> bddebian: and i look at it on my ibook later
[02:59] <\sh> slomo: yepp
[03:00] <\sh> slomo: evolution should take the imap stuff from kmail...which is working without any problems
[03:00] <slomo> \sh: and the one from the other guy too... i hope they get it fixed before breezy ;) seems to be very common and it is annoying
[03:00] <bddebian> slomo: It's no biggie but if you can, great
[03:00] <slomo> bddebian: it's the gnu ada compiler, isn't it?
[03:00] <bddebian> Yep
[03:01] <slomo> ok, i'll take a look at it
[03:02] <slomo> now... 2 packages at once ;)
[03:02] <slomo> uh... 2 packages with 15 mb sources ;)
[03:04] <bddebian> heh
[03:04] <Yagisan> TMM: Finally - that's one slow email system you have
[03:05] <TMM> yeah...
[03:05] <TMM> normally it isn't that slow...
[03:08] <bddebian> slomo: What I mean is.  For libofx I need to keep libofx2 from trying to install the .la files, but I think libofx-dev still needs them.
[03:09] <slomo> err
[03:09] <slomo> why don't you want the .la files installed?
[03:09] <slomo> they _are_ needed
[03:09] <slomo> but in the -dev package
[03:09] <bddebian> Right, that is what I mean
[03:10] <slomo> ok, so where's the problem now? ;)
[03:10] <bddebian> the libofx2 binary shouldn't install them but the libofx-dev binary should.  Right?
[03:10] <slomo> yes
[03:11] <bddebian> That's what I need to do.  Do I just use .files files?
[03:11] <slomo> yes... the -dev package should contain .a, .so and .la files for the libraries
[03:11] <slomo> the other package should contain .so.*
[03:12] <ivoks> \sh: ping
[03:12] <ivoks> :)
[03:12] <bddebian> slomo: I know.  What I'm asking is how I do that properly? :-)
[03:12] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[03:13] <slomo> bddebian: look at my wavpack package for example ;)
[03:13] <ivoks> hey all
[03:13] <bddebian> slomo: OK, thx
[03:13] <ivoks> how to upload other people's packages?
[03:13] <slomo> bddebian: where does wxwidgets2.6*ubuntu4 come from? i only have ubuntu2
[03:13] <ivoks> i can't get this right :/
[03:14] <\sh> ivoks: what's the problem?
[03:14] <ivoks> \sh: i signed as you told me, and it didn't get uploaded
[03:14] <\sh> ivoks: what it says?
[03:14] <ivoks> nothing
[03:14] <ivoks> uploads, everything fine
[03:14] <\sh> ivoks: well..yes.
[03:14] <bddebian> slomo: Hmm, dunno, that's interesting
[03:15] <\sh> ivoks: because katie sends the report to markuman
[03:15] <ivoks> but never apears on server (silently droped?)
[03:15] <slomo> bddebian: hmm... what do you get when you do apt-get source wxwidgets2.6?
[03:15] <\sh> if he's not whitelisted you don't see anything
[03:15] <ivoks> \sh: but it would apear on -changes, wouldn't it?
[03:15] <\sh> ivoks: it stays now in NEW and elmo has to push it
[03:15] <\sh> ivoks: no
[03:15] <ivoks> \sh: ah, ok
[03:15] <\sh> ivoks: until elmo frees it from NEW ;)
[03:15] <ivoks> ok
[03:15] <bddebian> slomo: ubuntu2 and when I built it locally it was ubuntu2
[03:15] <\sh> markuman: are u whitelisted?
[03:15] <ivoks> \sh: thanks
[03:15] <slomo> bddebian: oh... we're all blind ;)
[03:16] <slomo> bddebian: count the .1 in the failed version
[03:16] <bddebian> hahaha
[03:16] <slomo> bddebian: we have <IP_ADDRESS>.1... <IP_ADDRESS> failed
[03:16] <markuman> \sh imho no :-/ someone said its enough to be in the keyring
[03:16] <slomo> bddebian: ugly version numbers
[03:17] <\sh> markuman: please send a mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and tell elmo to whitelist your email address
[03:17] <bddebian> slomo: Should I just throw up the version I have then, or do you want to do it?
[03:17] <slomo> bddebian: what did you "fix"?
[03:17] <bddebian> slomo: Nothing :-)
[03:17] <slomo> bddebian: just this ftbfs which wasn't there? ;)
[03:17] <bddebian> Yep
[03:17] <slomo> bddebian: ok, why do you want to upload then?
[03:17] <markuman> \sh should i add my key in this mail?
[03:18] <bddebian> slomo: For a rebuild.
[03:18] <\sh> markuman: no
[03:18] <markuman> ok thx
[03:18] <slomo> bddebian: why do we need a rebuild?
[03:18] <\sh> markuman: the key you'll need only in LP
[03:18] <bddebian> ooohhh, nm
[03:18] <bddebian> We don't have the binaries in the archive though??
[03:18] <slomo> bddebian: hmm... we have since some weeks unless elmo deleted them
[03:19] <bddebian> slomo: apt-cache madison wxwidgets2.6
[03:19] <spayne> slomo: any news on ipod-sharp/banshee?
[03:19] <slomo> bddebian: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/w/wxwidgets2.6/
[03:19] <slomo> bddebian: but i wonder where the amd64 stuff is :o
[03:19] <slomo> bddebian: oh... it is there
[03:19] <slomo> lol
[03:19] <slomo> spayne: yes... abock is slow and i'm still waiting for him ;)
[03:20] <bddebian> weird
[03:20] <hwaara> hello everyone, I'm new to ubuntu and am interested in helping out fixing bugs.
[03:20] <slomo> bddebian: why?
[03:20] <bddebian> slomo: I couldn't see the binaries.. Hmm
[03:20] <slomo> bddebian: apt-get update?
[03:20] <hwaara> is there some guide anywhere on how to start compiling and everything?
[03:21] <hwaara> like what tools do I need etc.
[03:21] <\sh> hwaara: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[03:21] <bddebian> slomo: I update everyday :-)
[03:21] <\sh> hwaara: and welcome to the universe :)
[03:21] <hwaara> \sh, thanks! :)   ubuntu seems like the only sensible platform that actually makes an effort to be easy to use
[03:22] <slomo> bddebian: scary
[03:22] <\sh> hwaara: well...it's easy to use but hard to fix ;)
[03:22] <hwaara> hehe
[03:22] <hwaara> there are many things I want to fix upon first hour of using it
[03:23] <bddebian> slomo: I think it's me.  It was 1:00am and I think I was expecting a wxwidgets2.6 binary.. :-(  The whole reason this started is that one of these should provide wxPython.h shouldn't it?
[03:23] <hwaara> but I guess there are bugs for most of the issues I've encountered already
[03:23] <slomo> bddebian: python-wxgtk2.6 maybe?
[03:24] <slomo> bddebian: hm no
[03:26] <slomo> bddebian: at least i have no wxPython.h installed...
[03:26] <bddebian> slomo: Malone 2887
[03:26] <slomo> bddebian: please url... ;)
[03:27] <tseng> there is a bot for that
[03:28] <hwaara> man, this seems hard.  what are the principles of fixing bugs in ubuntu? do I recompile it all when I've fixed something in a menu for example?
[03:28] <slomo> tseng: show me how to use him ;)
[03:29] <tseng> he is in #ubuntu-bugs
[03:29] <tseng> maybe he should be here
[03:29] <slomo> and how do i use him?
[03:29] <tseng> you say malone #####
[03:29] <tseng> and it spits out the summary and url
[03:29] <ogra> tseng, nope, more people should be in -bugs rather :)
[03:30] <tseng> i have so many channels =/
[03:30] <slomo> tseng: thanks :)
[03:30] <slomo> bddebian: i'll take this bug
[03:30] <ogra> tseng, me too :/
[03:30] <\sh> and me too too also ;)
[03:34] <\sh> dholbach *argl*
[03:35] <\sh> dholbach: u used bloody binary packages :(
[03:35] <ogra> he's not here
[03:36] <\sh> i know...
[03:36] <\sh> but I had to say it ;)
[03:37] <ogra> heh
[03:37] <\sh> come on guys...I'm working on universe ftbfs i386 ;)
[03:37] <\sh> bddebian: hurry ;)
[03:37] <slomo> ok, i've made a "smart bookmark" for malone bugs ;)
[03:38] <bddebian> \sh: ??
[03:38] <\sh> bddebian: hurry up with the packages ;) I'm running again on max power ;)
[03:38] <bddebian> \sh: I gave up on the FTBFS list.  Most of them won't get uploaded anyway :-)
[03:39] <\sh> bddebian: why?
[03:39] <\sh> bddebian: most of them will be syncs
[03:39] <bddebian> \sh: Yeah that break a lot of other packages :-)
[03:40] <tseng> sigh
[03:40] <\sh> bddebian: e.g.?
[03:40] <bddebian> svgalib
[03:40] <\sh> oh...
[03:40] <\sh> so I shouldn't request a sync?
[03:41] <bddebian> Dunno.  It has a ton of rdepends
[03:41] <\sh> bddebian: aehm
[03:41] <\sh> bddebian: we have 1.4.3-20
[03:41] <\sh> bddebian: debian has 1.4.3-22
[03:41] <\sh> with gcc4 patches included...
[03:41] <\sh> so no new API
[03:41] <bddebian> So those are fair game?
[03:42] <\sh> bddebian: I'll request the sync...if something happens...I'll get whipped
[03:42] <tseng> sounds safe to me
[03:42] <bddebian> OK then.  I'm just a little jumpy since I seem to get myself in trouble often :-)
[03:42] <\sh> tseng: if debian doesn't invent no new upstream API ;) it should be safe ;)
[03:42] <tseng> ya
[03:42] <\sh> bddebian: isn't it the fun behind working on this project?
[03:43] <bddebian> sure
[03:43] <bddebian> ;-)
[03:44] <\sh> the only prolbem is...I'll spam elmo ;)
[03:44] <hwaara> I can't find any info on how to start out and compile ubuntu app, download the source etc.
[03:45] <bddebian> sivang: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFS
[03:45] <hwaara> Looking on the developer resoirces page and the MOTU page didn't help
[03:45] <tseng> google debian new maint guide
[03:45] <\sh> hwaara: apt-get source <source package> is for downloading the source
[03:45] <bddebian> hwaara: apt-get source <source package>
[03:46] <\sh> hwaara: wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto this is a howto to build you a building environment
[03:46] <\sh> hwaara: wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources are resources for more informations
[03:47] <hwaara> \sh: ok, great. I will look
[03:47] <sivang> bddebian: anything i can helpp you with?
[03:47] <slomo> bddebian: morgue gnat... we have gnat-3.3, gnat-3.4 and gnat-4.0
[03:47] <hwaara> I realize it's a steep learning curve being new BOTH to linux and wanting to develop using it
[03:47] <bddebian> sivang: You can fix any of those listed on that list :-)
[03:47] <bddebian> slomo: For PPC?
[03:47] <slomo> bddebian: yes
[03:48] <bddebian> Hmm
[03:48] <\sh> btw...prost guys :)
[03:48] <bddebian> Actually what I need is to build libflorist with it ;-)
[03:48] <slomo> bddebian: build-depend on gnat-4.0
[03:49] <sivang> bddebian: ok, should I just look at lamont's build log?
[03:50] <bddebian> sivang: apt-get source, try to build it and see if it pukes.  IF it does, fix it ;-)
[03:51] <sivang> bddebian: ok, any of the packages will do? :-)
[03:52] <bddebian> sivang: Should
[04:03] <slomo> doko: what do you think about malone 2887? shall i include the headers with the wxheaders package? or python-wxgtk?
[04:03] <slomo> doko: and what's about eclipse :( still not for amd64/ppc
[04:06] <doko> slomo: be patient and wait. please ask the debian maintainer about wxwidgets
[04:07] <slomo> doko: ok
[04:07] <sivang> bddebian: what is the popcon?
[04:08] <Petrov> *hello
[04:09] <bddebian> sivang: Popularity Contest.  Shows what packages are most highly utilized by users.
[04:10] <bddebian> Where should /usr/share/foo/dtd/ stuff go?  foo or foo-dev ?
[04:15] <sivang> bddebian: ah right, it's from deiban , I recall now
[04:36] <bddebian> It is becoming blatantly apparent that I really am too stupid for this work. :'-(
[04:38] <\sh> bddebian: drink a beer first...then work ;)
[04:38] <\sh> bddebian: u will see, you feel much better after drinking a beer ;)
[04:38] <\sh> bddebian: just like neo and his cookie ;)
[04:39] <bddebian> Heh
[04:39] <bddebian> Seriously.  I can't even figure out something as simple as removing the .la file from libofx2 :'-(
[04:40] <Lathiat> haha
[04:40] <Lathiat> just remove it from the install files?
[04:40] <bddebian> Lathiat: There were no install files.   (I think) :)
[05:08] <\sh> as I wrote in my blog... it was god's hand, that bddebian found the way to the motus :)
[05:08] <bddebian> \sh: :-)
[05:09] <\sh> bddebian: btw...31st is halloween..so why don't u take your wife+children and make a trip to montreal? ;)
[05:09] <bddebian> \sh: I wish
[05:10] <\sh> bddebian: so tell your wife: "Maria, my son is waiting in Montreal" ;)
[05:10] <Lathiat> haha
[05:11] <bddebian> hehe
[05:11] <\sh> hmm../me will not enter to heaven
[05:11] <\sh> -to
[05:13] <bddebian> Uh oh
[05:13] <\sh> azeem: nice...thx :) ghemical ftbfs (latest debian)
[05:14] <\sh> azeem: -1 that is, right?
[05:14] <azeem> no -2
[05:14] <\sh> grmpf...
[05:15] <\sh> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/ghemical
[05:15] <\sh> that's -1
[05:15] <\sh> but http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ghemical&searchon=sourcenames&subword=1&version=unstable&release=all
[05:15] <azeem> Source package: ghemical (1.90-2)
[05:15] <\sh> that's -2
[05:15] <azeem> \sh: is that from your browser cache?
[05:15] <\sh> azeem: I don't use caches at all :)=
[05:15] <azeem> hrm
[05:15] <azeem> I get -2 here from packages.d.o
[05:16] <\sh> hmmm...
[05:16] <\sh> anyways..moment
[05:16] <\sh> gnarf
[05:16] <\sh> something's wrong with ff
[05:16] <\sh> I disabled cache
[05:17] <\sh> but
[05:17] <\sh> bah
[05:17] <\sh> azeem: k...build again...and request the sync
[05:18] <\sh> bddebian: u see /me is also brainfcked
[05:18] <azeem> \sh: thanks
[05:18] <bddebian> \sh: Bah :-)
[05:19] <ogra> ARGH
[05:19] <\sh> *lol*
[05:19] <\sh> I knew that I will awake ogra ;)
[05:19] <\sh> hmmm...no beer anymore
[05:20] <ogra> #ubuntu-motu-de-morning, #ubuntu-motu-de-noon, #ubuntu-motu-de-night, #ubuntu-motu-de-north, #ubuntu-motu-de-south, #ubuntu-motu-de-east, #ubuntu-motu-de-west
[05:20] <ogra> yay
[05:20] <bddebian> heh
[05:20] <Lathiat> haha
[05:20] <ogra> time for xinerama to fit the xchat tablist in...
[05:20] <\sh> ogra: what about a "after release meeting @eifel"
[05:21] <ogra> sure, why not :)
[05:21] <\sh> ogra: k...14th I'll come after work ;)
[05:21] <ogra> fine :)
[05:21] <\sh> ogra: but this time I'll pay the beer :)
[05:21] <ogra> heh
[05:21] <ogra> as you like :)
[05:21] <slomo> ogra: hehe... i get my second tft on my next birthday ;) it's really needed with thta many channels
[05:21] <\sh> ogra: u can buy the whisky for suse ;)
[05:22] <Fuddl> did i hear "beer"? ;)
[05:22] <bddebian> Hmm, it appears that elmo has awoken :-)
[05:22] <\sh> bddebian: long ago ;)
[05:22] <ogra> bddebian, i think he highlights backports ;)
[05:22] <sivang> \sh, ogra : I Want to come as well :) shame I don't leave near by
[05:23] <\sh> sivang: elkhouse.de ?
[05:23] <bddebian> No, I meant a bunch of sync requests I sent him a while back just came through :-)
[05:23] <ogra> i'll have a place for you if you're naer once, sivang
[05:23] <\sh> it's rings a bell for me
[05:23] <ogra> bddebian, yes, but the alert wen off and awoke him when i said backports in -devel ;)
[05:23] <ogra> *went
[05:23] <bddebian> ogra: ;-)
[05:24] <\sh> sivang: elkhouse is duisburg :)
[05:24] <\sh> sivang: so where u coming from? ,-)
[05:24] <\sh> azeem: again
[05:24] <\sh> azeem: er -lSCmisc -lSCstate -lSCkeyval -lSCclass -lSCcontainer -lSCref -lfl -ldl -lpthread -llapack -lblas -lfrtbegin -lg2c -lm -lgcc_s -lmopac7 -lopenbabel   -lglut -lXmu -lg2c -lm
[05:24] <\sh> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmopac7
[05:25] <bddebian> Should be there, I synced it a little while ago
[05:25] <sivang> \sh: lol, I'm in .il, using a server in .de :)
[05:25] <\sh> sivang: hahahaha
[05:25] <\sh> sivang: so it's ok for the mossad to use a .de server? ,-)
[05:26] <sivang> \sh: hey, that's not funny :-)
[05:27] <sivang> \sh: it's pitti's server, that he with his kindness provided me with an account for mail and irssi, I would be lost with out it as such offering almost does not exist here :)
[05:28] <azeem> \sh: strange, 1.90-1 built fine on i386, and nothing changed in the Build-Deps
[05:29] <sivang> \sh: also has an ingeniously choosen name "piware.de" :)
[05:30] <sivang> \sh: elkhouse are the server farm company
[05:31] <bddebian> Why is spidermonkey on our list it builds fine for me??
[05:38] <slomo> bddebian: maybe outdated list ;)
[05:43] <\sh> azeem: do u have an ubuntu breezy pbuilder?
[05:43] <azeem> I have a breezy chroot and sbuild
[05:43] <\sh> azeem: even 1.90-1 and this failed as well
[05:44] <azeem> I wonder why the buildd succeeded then
[05:46] <\sh> azeem: can u check it with a pbuilder?
[05:47] <azeem> I just upgraded my chroot and started another build
[05:49] <\sh> azeem: ah here
[05:49] <\sh> libmopac7-dev
[05:49] <\sh> this is not in b-d
[05:50] <azeem> \sh: because it is getting built without mopac support in Debian
[05:50] <\sh> azeem: well...
[05:50] <\sh> azeem: I used the debian package...
[05:50] <azeem> but Jordan Mantha added libmopac to libghemical for Ubuntu
[05:50] <\sh> azeem: so I'll add libmopac7-dev to b-d and check again
[05:51] <\sh> azeem: after this check I'll upload this as -2ubuntu1
[05:52] <azeem> maybe one could argue that libghemical-dev should depend on libmopac-dev, rather...
[05:52] <\sh> azeem: well...u r the maintainer ;)
[05:55] <\sh> http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=29&art_id=iol112869471388A551
[05:55] <azeem> well, do the change for breezy now, no need to mess around too much
[05:55] <azeem> I just heard about a proper fix from upstream I'll integrate into libghemical and ghemical, and will enable Mopac while I'm at it
[05:56] <\sh> azeem: what about becoming a motu? ;)
[05:57] <\sh> azeem: builds
[05:57] <azeem> I am considering this for post-breezy, to maintain my science/chemical packages more easily both in Debian and Ubuntu
[05:57] <azeem> I don't plan to do any general MOTU work, though
[05:59] <azeem> ah
[05:59] <azeem>  Subject: Log for successful build of ghemical_1.90-2 (dist=breezy)
[05:59] <azeem> libghemical-dev: already installed
[05:59] <azeem> that's why, I had a local version installed in the chroot
[06:00] <\sh> azeem: ah...that's why I believe pbuilder more then my chroot ;)
[06:00] <azeem> the Debian version, not the Ubuntu-modified one
[06:00] <\sh> azeem: btw..upload
[06:00] <azeem> \sh: nobody told me Ubuntu changed libghemical :)
[06:00] <\sh> ed
[06:01] <azeem> ok, thanks
[06:01] <\sh> azeem: me neither ;) I don't even know ghemical ;)
[06:01] <\sh> but this happens all the time with me...
[06:02] <ogra> there is no trace inthe changelog that it was ever changed
[06:02] <azeem> usually I point sbuild to a local APT source with the additional packages - must've been lazy
[06:02] <azeem> ogra: libghemical?
[06:02] <ogra> Changes:
[06:02] <ogra>  libghemical (1.90-1) unstable; urgency=low
[06:02] <ogra>  .
[06:02] <ogra>    * Initial Release.
[06:03] <ogra> thats all
[06:03] <ogra> no further uploads etc
[06:03] <azeem> hrm
[06:03] <azeem> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/libghemical/libghemical_1.90-1ubuntu1_packaging.patch
[06:03] <ogra> bddebian, ?? ^^^ your name stick on it
[06:03] <ogra> *sticks
[06:04] <\sh> Version: 1.90-1ubuntu1
[06:04] <\sh> ogra: it's in
[06:05] <ogra> yes, i just saw its in hoary, koke changed it
[06:05] <ogra> err, nope
[06:05] <ogra> thats not libghemical
[06:05] <\sh> +libghemical (1.90-1ubuntu1) breezy; urgency=low
[06:05] <\sh> +
[06:05] <\sh> +  * Added MOPAC7 support
[06:05] <\sh> +
[06:05] <\sh> + -- Jordan Mantha<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:04:04 -0700
[06:05] <ogra> it doesnt show up on neither hoary nor breezy changes
[06:06] <ogra> \sh, who is Jordan Mantha ?
[06:06] <azeem> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe libghemical-data 1.90-1ubuntu1 [124kB]
[06:06] <\sh> ogra: I don't know
[06:07] <ogra> i mean, how can that have a ubuntuX version but no apparent ubuntu changes in any changelog
[06:07] <slomo> hmm... does someone know if "Jorge Daza Garcia-Blanes" is still active here? i haven't seen him for a long time
[06:07] <\sh>  -- Jordan Mantha<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:04:04 -0700
[06:07] <\sh> slomo: comrejda ?
[06:07] <ogra> slomo, comadreja ?  he was here last week
[06:08] <slomo> ok... anyway, i fixed a package by him... i'll tell him when he's back ;)
[06:08] <\sh> anyways..
[06:09] <\sh> I need to buy some drinks...and get my washing
[06:09] <azeem> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/2005-October/012373.html
[06:09] <azeem> ogra: ^^
[06:09] <ogra> who the heck is Jordan Mantha ??
[06:09] <ogra> funny
[06:09] <\sh> azeem: it's not in my archive
[06:10] <ogra> neither in mine...
[06:10] <azeem> he has an university email address, probably he had personal interest in ghemical and got it sponsored by somebody?
[06:10] <ogra> but i know why ;)
[06:10] <ogra> \sh, do you collect katie mails in a separate folder too ?  :)
[06:11] <\sh> ogra: yes...and the -changes as well
[06:11] <ogra> he's not whitelisted
[06:11] <ogra> so this mail came from katie ....
[06:11] <bddebian> There is Jordan :)
[06:11] <\sh> ogra: but libghemical should be listed
[06:11] <bddebian> ogra: LaserJock == Jordan
[06:11] <ogra> bddebian, i'm fine now :)
[06:11] <ogra> we found the missing bit....
[06:11] <LaserJock> heah everybody
[06:11] <spayne> tseng: ping
[06:12] <LaserJock> did I screw something up?
[06:12] <tseng> spayne: yes?
[06:12] <spayne> tseng: email back from elmo - resapplet never made it to NEW
[06:12] <spayne> tseng: "It never made it to NEW:
[06:12] <spayne> | resapplet_0.0.7+cvs2005.09.30-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[06:12] <spayne> | REJECT
[06:12] <spayne> | Rejected: resapplet_0.0.7+cvs2005.09.30-0ubuntu1.dsc refers to resapplet_0.0.7+cvs2005.09.30.orig.tar.gz, but I can't find it in the queue or in the pool.
[06:12] <spayne> | Rejecting."
[06:12] <tseng> i see, right
[06:12] <tseng> yay for no email
[06:13] <sistpoty> hi folks
[06:13] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[06:13] <spayne> tseng: did i do something wrong?
[06:13] <tseng> yes
[06:14] <sistpoty> have you been requesting syncs already?
[06:14] <tseng> source.changes doesnt include a hash of the .orig.gz or so
[06:14] <Fuddl> hi sistpoty
[06:14] <sistpoty> hi Firetech
[06:14] <sistpoty> Fuddl even ;)
[06:14] <tseng> i dont have the sources anymore
[06:14] <tseng> spayne: are you whitelisted yet?
[06:14] <spayne> tseng: yes
[06:14] <tseng> ok
[06:15] <spayne> tseng: http://www.evolutionconsultancy.com/~spayne/packages/resapplet
[06:15] <\sh> ok...going shopping
[06:15] <LaserJock> bddebian: did i mess something up?
[06:15] <sistpoty> hf \sh
[06:15] <sistpoty> erm... \sh: did you request syncs from debian for ftbfs today?
[06:15] <\sh> sistpoty: yepp
[06:16] <sistpoty> for atlas3 as well?
[06:16] <bddebian> LaserJock: No.  Did you get a reject from katie though?
[06:16] <\sh> sistpoty: but only for the stuff mentioned my name
[06:16] <sistpoty> ah, ok... thx
[06:16] <\sh> sistpoty: well..but it's a good idea to collect all syncs and send them directly to elmo
[06:16] <LaserJock> bddebian: no I haven't gotten anything from katie
[06:16] <\sh> again...couple of mins away
[06:17] <bddebian> LaserJock: OK.  That was probably my fault.  I should have known that you probably weren't whitelisted
[06:17] <LaserJock> bddebian: so what did katie send you?
[06:17] <bddebian> LaserJock: Nothin, that was the problem :)
[06:18] <LaserJock> awww, I see
[06:18] <sistpoty> tseng: i guess I'll leave the mono packages on the ftbfs list alone?
[06:18] <tseng> sistpoty: huh what?
[06:18] <sistpoty> UniverseFTBFS... dholbachs reports of automatic testbuilds
[06:19] <tseng> do what you want, mono is not FTBFS
[06:19] <tseng> sorry i am working on something atm
[06:19] <sistpoty> tseng: ok
[06:20] <tseng> spayne: lets look at this please
[06:20] <tseng> http://www.evolutionconsultancy.com/~spayne/packages/resapplet/resapplet_0.0.7+cvs2005.09.30-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[06:20] <tseng> you will notice that you dont see a hash for resaplet orig.tar.gz
[06:20] <tseng> since its the first upload for this version, there is no orig.tar.gz on the server
[06:20] <spayne> right
[06:20] <tseng> next time, dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot
[06:21] <tseng> sign all
[06:21] <ivoks> hi
[06:21] <LaserJock> bddebian: have you talked to azeem about the changes I made to libghemical?
[06:21] <spayne> tseng: what should i do then?
[06:21] <Lathiat> haha
[06:21] <Lathiat> speak of the devil
[06:21] <Lathiat> we were just talkign about you LaserJock
[06:21] <Lathiat> well, 5 minutes ago
[06:21] <Lathiat> :)
[06:21] <azeem> bddebian hates me
[06:21] <tseng> spayne: you should.. know better in the future
[06:21] <bddebian> azeem: I do?
[06:21] <azeem> he doesn't tell me such things
[06:22] <bddebian> LaserJock: No, I think they were working on an update today??
[06:22] <LaserJock> well, I don't want to screw up other people's (especially much smarter people's) packages
[06:23] <pef> can someone explain me this : http://paste.uni.cc/7838 ?
[06:24] <azeem> LaserJock: nah, it's fine.  I'll include your mopac patch into the Debian package at the earliest possibility, but right now ghemical's upstream CVS repo is acting up
[06:24] <Lathiat> pef: its not diffing binary files perhaps?
[06:25] <pef> Lathiat: you're right
[06:25] <spayne> tseng: do i need to fix something?
[06:26] <LaserJock> azeem: anything I can help with? I'm still learning a lot about packageing but I would like to help if I can
[06:27] <tseng> spayne: dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot
[06:27] <tseng> spayne: upload the package when changes is correct and lists orig.tar.gz
[06:28] <azeem> LaserJock: Tommi Hassinen wrote that he committed a patch for 64bit arches to CVS earlier today, I am trying to get this from CVS and upload new packages for libghemical and ghemical, including your enable-mopac patch
[06:29] <azeem> LaserJock: if mopac is there, I think ghemical is pretty current packaging-wise, dunno how good the GTK2 interface will work out in practise though, will need some testing
[06:29] <azeem> LaserJock: but if you have any suggestions, let me know
[06:30] <LaserJock> azeem: yeah, I have noticed that the menu doesn't scale right when resizing the window and right now "add hydrogens" just seg faults
[06:31] <azeem> LaserJock: if you are using ghemical a bit, could you report those upstream?
[06:31] <azeem> I don't use it that often
[06:32] <LaserJock> azeem: I haven't really seen much of a bugzilla or anything for ghemical but if I make a list of bugs and email them to you is that ok?
[06:33] <spayne> tseng: done - they are at the same palce
[06:33] <sistpoty> ping slomo
[06:33] <azeem> LaserJock: that's fine, otherwise you could also mail the devel list at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:33] <slomo> sistpoty: pong
[06:33] <ivoks> this is killing me :)
[06:34] <LaserJock> azeem: ok cool, thanks for looking at my patch BTW
[06:34] <sistpoty> slomo: do you have some experience with libwxgtk-package (i saw you in the changelog ;)
[06:34] <sistpoty> ?
[06:34] <slomo> sistpoty: not really... but what do you want to do?
[06:35] <tseng> spayne: ok
[06:35] <sistpoty> slomo: i suspect a problem in the lib somewhere, as it (kinda randomly) segfaults. real problem is that this is killing the mouse and x needs to be restarted
[06:35] <sistpoty> slomo: so i hoped you had some clues on this... ;)
[06:35] <slomo> sistpoty: ok, forget it ;)
[06:36] <tseng> spayne: looks better, uploading
[06:36] <spayne> so, if it works, how will i find out?
[06:36] <tseng> you will get an email if you are really whitlisted
[06:36] <sistpoty> slomo: malone 2912... this seems to be pretty important for edubuntu (jelkner mailed me after accepting the bug) :(
[06:37] <tseng> in the next few minutes
[06:37] <slomo> sistpoty: tried gdb?
[06:37] <spayne> tseng: you don't believe me :)
[06:37] <tseng> how do you mean
[06:37] <tseng> oh
[06:37] <spayne> just kidding :)
[06:38] <sistpoty> slomo: yep... but w.o. symbols pretty useless. and i weren't able to use the -dbg package for the python-stuff (strange enough, the python-dbg is not in the archives)
[06:45] <\sh> re
[06:46] <tseng> hi
[06:49] <slomo> sistpoty: fix wxwidgets2.6 to include the dpg package ;)
[06:49] <tseng> spayne: do you have an email
[06:49] <spayne> yes - i have recenetly changed
[06:49] <spayne> i used to be<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but i am now<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:50] <tseng> i mean do you have an email from katie
[06:50] <sistpoty> slomo: hehe... I'm just trying with a new upstream version... but wxpython refused to work after that :(
[06:51] <spayne> tseng: let me check
[06:51] <spayne> tseng: no
[06:53] <tseng> please look again in 5 minutes
[06:53] <tseng> um
[06:53] <tseng> does<EMAIL_ADDRESS>still ork
[06:53] <spayne> yeh
[06:53] <tseng> that is where your email is going
[06:54] <spayne> it works
[06:54] <tseng> assuming you got the right thing whitelisted
[06:54] <spayne> it works fien
[06:54] <tseng> if not
[06:54] <tseng> we are totally in the dark still
[06:54] <tseng> what address is whitelisted?
[06:54] <spayne> both of them
[06:54] <spayne> tseng: elmo said he has
[06:54] <tseng> ok.
[06:56] <spayne> tseng: might take a while to get through my ClamAV/SpamAssassin stuff
[06:57] <tseng> i see
[06:59] <\sh> dholbach: come and get your bum whipped
[07:00] <tseng> :/
[07:00] <\sh> all lists diffs between test builds and popcon are somehow useless
[07:06] <spayne> brb
[07:09] <bddebian> bbl
[07:14] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yay avahi :)
[07:15] <\sh> tseng: fix mythtv for amd64 first
[07:15] <tseng> \sh: i dont have an amd64
[07:16] <\sh> tseng: ah well...then ..I'm just teasing :)
[07:19] <Lathiat> any particular reasn the universe-bugs list is hidden from the list summary?
[07:19] <sistpoty> anyone to sponsor http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/debdiffs/intflonts_1.2.1-3_to_intlfonts_1.2.1-3ubuntu1.debdiff
[07:19] <sistpoty> `
[07:19] <sistpoty> ?
[07:20] <Lathiat> i would but i dont have a key in the keyring yet :)
[07:20] <Diablo-D3> ugh
[07:22] <Lathiat> whos daniel t chen?
[07:22] <Lathiat> ah, crimsum
[07:22] <Lathiat> crimsun: bug 2924, did you do anythign about that
[07:22] <siretart> sistpoty: phew, 15mb download ;)
[07:22] <sistpoty> hi siretart
[07:23] <siretart> huhu
[07:23] <sistpoty> siretart: but the debdiff is really small ;)
[07:25] <siretart> sistpoty: I checked the buildlogs. fix looks sane. uploading
[07:25] <sistpoty> thx siretart
[07:33] <sistpoty> ok, I'm off for today... cya
[07:38] <Fuddl> Lathiat: i uploaded new quake3 packages to revu. btw, i cannot fix the svn-complains, because upstream requires to build quake3 from a co'ed tree.
[07:39] <siretart> Fuddl: done.
[07:40] <siretart> Fuddl: the makefiles rely on svn output in the makefiles. I noticed this, don't worry in this case
[07:40] <Fuddl> yep, that's it. i even forgot the details, already
[07:41] <pef> Lathiat: my problem was files hard linked :D
[07:41] <Fuddl> siretart: btw... did anybody package nexuiz already? :)
[07:42] <siretart> Fuddl: I think \sh had a look at it. Not sure, though
[07:43] <Fuddl> i think nexuiz had kind of "strange" license, too. i believe the data files weren't very "free", so they might also require a "nexuiz-data" package, which postinsts stuff
[07:43] <siretart> Fuddl: there is a debian ITP for it: #311479 - perhaps it's worth asking alexander about his status with the packages
[07:43] <\sh> what?
[07:43] <Fuddl> \sh: siretart said, that you might have a glance at packaging nexuiz?
[07:44] <siretart> I think the problem with nexuiz was that 140mb data files are inacceptable for the debian archive
[07:44] <\sh> Fuddl: wth is nexuiz?? :)
[07:44] <Fuddl> eeeh.... ok.... so.... you didn't already :)
[07:45] <Fuddl> \sh: ... oh, and nexuiz is a fps, built on a modified quake1 engine. looks funny but i don't like it that much
[07:47] <siretart> \sh: perhaps I confuse that with njam
[07:47] <\sh> Fuddl: ohoh..../me and quake stuff
[07:47] <\sh> siretart: yes ;)
[07:47] <Fuddl> siretart: 140mb and/or the license on the data...
[07:47] <\sh> Fuddl: i can't even play quake correctly ;) i'M a n00b in things like 3d shooter..only with cheats I'm able to win
[07:48] <Fuddl> \sh: i'm a noob, either. there's no reason to worry!
[07:48] <Lathiat> Fuddl: see the error, you can export, rather than checkout
[07:50] <siretart> Lathiat: did you try to build with an exported tree?
[07:50] <siretart> since upstream didn't do a release yet, I wouldn't insist on it. that lintian warning is imo overrated anyway
[07:51] <Fuddl> i tried it once, with a co <= 130 and it didn't compile
[07:51] <Fuddl> but there would be more things to fix in upstream... autotools would really be nice :)
[07:52] <Fuddl> brb, smoking :)
[07:52] <\sh> oh...yeah..smoking and beer ;)
[07:55] <\sh> well...
[07:55] <\sh> beer, cigarette and compiling sources..what else can we wish for
[08:00] <\sh> moins bmonty_laptop
[08:00] <bmonty_laptop> hi everyone
[08:01] <LaserJock> do any of you know where to get a log of this channel?
[08:06] <bmonty_laptop> there are logs, but I don't have the URL here...I think it is in the wiki
[08:26] <\sh> siretart: ping...it's halloween time while we're in montreal ;)
[08:26] <siretart> w00t!
[08:26] <siretart> :)
[08:27] <\sh> yeah...31st ;)
[08:30] <\sh> siretart: so we need some pumpkins ;)
[08:31] <Diablo-D3> crimsun: you know what we need?
[08:31] <Diablo-D3> something that automatically files bugs for us
[08:31] <dholbach> Diablo-D3: we have enough, kthxbye
[08:31] <Diablo-D3> dholbach: hah
[08:31] <Diablo-D3> seriously
[08:31] <dholbach> Diablo-D3: you should receive some...
[08:31] <Diablo-D3> filing a bug with a bt in it shouldnt be so clunky
[08:32] <siretart> \sh: hrhr
[08:32] <\sh> bt?
[08:32] <dholbach> i suppose he means backtraces
[08:32] <siretart> bug tracker?
[08:32] <Diablo-D3> gdb bt
[08:32] <siretart> trace, even
[08:32] <dholbach> siretart: bon apptit
[08:32] <\sh> siretart: hf :)
[08:33] <Diablo-D3> btw, is there a list of metapackages in ubuntu?
[08:33] <Diablo-D3> like, I just learned of xubuntu-desktop today
[08:38] <hwaara_> how do I install all the packages to develop in ubuntu?
[08:38] <hwaara_> is there some central panel in ubuntu for this?
[08:39] <dholbach> hwaara_: build-essential (and for a packager devscripts) are a good start
[08:39] <dholbach> not to say essential
[08:40] <hwaara_> where do I find this? sorry I'm new to ubuntu
[08:41] <dholbach> those are packages you could install
[08:41] <dholbach> it depends on what you are trying to do
[08:41] <Diablo-D3> build-essential is very handy imo
[08:42] <Diablo-D3> hwaara_: open a terminal, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:43] <hwaara_> is there a graphical interface for this ?
[08:43] <Diablo-D3> yeah, synaptic
[08:43] <Diablo-D3> though I find synaptic difficult to use
[08:44] <hwaara_> heh
[08:44] <hwaara_> that's a bug and you should file it
[08:44] <hwaara_> or file a bug on every sub-issue
[08:51] <Diablo-D3> well
[08:51] <Diablo-D3> its not a 'bug'
[08:52] <Diablo-D3> I find gui programs a pain in the ass sometimes
[08:52] <Diablo-D3> like, a simple apt-cache search foo | grep bar | grep baz is infinitely more powerful than anything you can do with a gui.
[08:56] <hwaara_> sure, since it's a very dynamic command
[08:56] <hwaara_> I don't think regular home users will often need that power though :)
[08:57] <hwaara_> but ideal are always easy-to-use programs that combine power and usability/easyness
[08:58] <Diablo-D3> which makes the terminal the ideal program ;)
[09:03] <dholbach> did anybody see how the MOTURuby team TOOK OFF?
[09:04] <dholbach> i'm so happy with their enthusiasm
[09:06] <Diablo-D3> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/xmms-openspc
[09:06] <Diablo-D3> big bad frown
[09:07] <Diablo-D3> they have a package we dont
[09:08] <dholbach> Diablo-D3: that's because the autosync stopped with upstream version freeze
[09:09] <dholbach> Diablo-D3: if you confirm that it builds and works for you and is something we should really really have, then speak up
[09:09] <dholbach> if it's just for the reason that "they have something we don't"...
[09:09] <Diablo-D3> its something thats worth having imo
[09:09] <dholbach> did you build it in pbuilder?
[09:10] <Diablo-D3> I havent built it myself yet
[09:10] <dholbach> then you should :)
[09:10] <Diablo-D3> I'm working with the author to figure out why it doesnt compile from original source using ubuntu xmms
[09:10] <dholbach> that's why i said: "<dholbach> Diablo-D3: if you confirm that it builds and works for you and is something we should really really have, then speak up"
[09:10] <dholbach> ...
[09:11] <Diablo-D3> dholbach: thats not what I meant
[09:11] <Diablo-D3> apparently the debian version is patched
[09:12] <dholbach> then please get the debian source and build the package
[09:12] <Diablo-D3> dholbach: which I said I'll do!
[09:12] <dholbach> else i won't waste more time to get it in
[09:12] <dholbach> thanks
[09:13] <\sh> hmmm...any java experts here?
[09:18] <Diablo-D3> how hard is it to become a motu?
[09:19] <\sh> hard
[09:19] <\sh> u have to apply as member first and sign the coc
[09:19] <Diablo-D3> the what?
[09:19] <Diablo-D3> \sh: english please
[09:19] <\sh> Diablo-D3: CoC== Code Of Conduct
[09:19] <\sh> please check the wiki for the member process
[09:20] <\sh> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[09:20] <hwaara_> \sh, depends how expert
[09:21] <\sh> hwaara_: well...the member process is always the first step to become a MOTU ;)
[09:21] <Diablo-D3> I dont literally have to sign the CoC do I?
[09:21] <\sh> Diablo-D3: u sign it with your gpg key or with a handwritten signature
[09:22] <Diablo-D3> okay, good.
[09:22] <Diablo-D3> \sh: please stop using 'u'
[09:22] <hwaara_> \sh, huh?
[09:23] <hwaara_> I thought you were looking for java help? :)
[09:23] <\sh> Diablo-D3: well...I can't stop using the normal chatter slang :( I should write a macro for substitute a "u" for a "you" like xchat does
[09:23] <Diablo-D3> Yes, 'u' should.
[09:23] <\sh> hwaara_: ah jave ;)
[09:24] <\sh> aeh java
[09:24] <\sh> hwaara_: could you check pdftk?
[09:24] <hwaara_> I don't even know what/where that is
[09:24] <\sh> Diablo-D3: u know who invented "u" or "r"?
[09:25] <hwaara_> probably I won't be able to help you unless it's a general question :)
[09:25] <\sh> hwaara_: well..me neither...but if failes to build :)
[09:25] <\sh> hwaara_: and honestly, I never learned java at university
[09:25] <\sh> hwaara_: so I'm a n00b ;)
[09:25] <Diablo-D3> \sh: no, but I know where my foot is going to go in a few minutes.
[09:26] <\sh> Diablo-D3: well...the idea behind "u" and "r" and other sounds of the anglo-saxxon alphabet was to save bandwidth..
[09:27] <\sh> Diablo-D3: so the bitnet people and beginning irc people invented those "abbreviations".
[09:28] <Diablo-D3> yeah but you forgot something
[09:28] <Diablo-D3> I have a cluebat and I know how to use it.
[09:28] <dholbach> MAN
[09:28] <dholbach> drop it
[09:28] <\sh> Diablo-D3: that's the reason why, nobody will speak for you to become a motu or a member
[09:29] <Diablo-D3> \sh: oh hah hah
[09:29] <dholbach> Diablo-D3: that's nothing anybody in here can laugh about
[09:30] <Diablo-D3> Well, seeing as you'd only be hurting Ubuntu by pushing potential motus away, its hillarious.
[09:30] <dholbach> ?
[09:30] <\sh> Be considerate. Be respectful. Be collaborative. When you disagree, consult others. When you are unsure, ask for help. Step down considerately.
[09:31] <dholbach> you're being respectless
[09:34] <tseng> i already warned him once that i dont have patience for this
[09:36] <Lathiat> tseng: deployed my first rails app last weekend
[09:36] <\sh> tseng: well..we know him from #ubuntu-laptop...but anyways...I think a human being can change...
[09:36] <Lathiat> was quite good, development time was like nothign compared to the PHP crap i had
[09:36] <tseng> \sh: I dont.
[09:36] <Diablo-D3> \sh: you mean I know you from #ubuntu-laptop.
[09:37] <tseng> Lathiat: hm "deployment"?
[09:37] <tseng> Lathiat: i think the deployment options for rails atm are all pretty poor
[09:37] <Lathiat> tseng: well, we run an event every couple months
[09:37] <Lathiat> and it runs the intranet for said event
[09:37] <Lathiat> and by deployment i mean, i used it in production :)
[09:37] <Lathiat> had some problems at the start, had it running on a p833 with 128M ram and it choked
[09:37] <tseng> apache + fastcgi?
[09:37] <\sh> Diablo-D3: I think it's time to set you on ignore...thx for coming along
[09:37] <Lathiat> mostly on the ram
[09:37] <Lathiat> yeh
[09:38] <tseng> i dont like fastcgi
[09:38] <Lathiat> interestingly when i moved it to my laptop, it hardly used any of the resources it was using on that box so i have no idea what was up
[09:38] <Lathiat> perhaps because it was running some quirky point of deian unstable
[09:38] <Lathiat> and it had a dodgy apache or something i dunno
[09:38] <Lathiat> tseng: why not?
[09:38] <Lathiat> it seems to work
[09:38] <Lathiat> not really scalable for multi-user hosting
[09:38] <tseng> because it runs several threads for every app
[09:38] <tseng> yes.. all my production boxes have many users
[09:39] <Lathiat>  because youd end up with fastcgi processes for every web app
[09:39] <\sh> wow...
[09:39] <Lathiat> which would be a bit of a resource hog
[09:39] <tseng> there is a high memory and administration over head for *every* rails app on the box
[09:39] <Lathiat> tseng: right
[09:39] <Lathiat> memory is the killer really
[09:39] <Lathiat> at least that was what was killing me
[09:40] <tseng> yeah i hit the ceiling on my linode also
[09:40] <tseng> with a very simple app
[09:40] <Lathiat> heh
[09:40] <Lathiat> the real magic behidn rails is activerecord
[09:40] <tseng> ive already used AR in standalone apps
[09:40] <Lathiat> its what saved half of my time
[09:40] <Lathiat> yeh
[09:40] <tseng> thing is
[09:41] <tseng> i waste alot of time trying to do more complex sutff with it
[09:41] <Lathiat> tseng: i found that at first
[09:41] <Lathiat> but i found it just required me to learn hwo to use it better
[09:41] <Lathiat> get to knwo the api etc
[09:41] <Lathiat> altho it still hold strue to some point
[09:41] <Lathiat> makes silly things easy
[09:41] <Lathiat> but hard things harder
[09:41] <tseng> right
[09:42] <Lathiat> but it definately lessened as i got to know how to use it better
[09:43] <Lathiat> time will tell
[09:43] <Lathiat> i wonder how textdrive handles hosting so much rails stuff
[09:43] <Lathiat> like last check they were doing fastcgi
[09:43] <Lathiat> i wonder if
[09:43] <Lathiat> much of it gets shared
[09:45] <tseng> there are some tricks to do fastcgi configs dynamically on directory layout
[09:45] <tseng> mod_vhost and all that
[09:45] <tseng> then you just load the box to the max with DIMMs
[09:46] <Lathiat> heh
[09:46] <Lathiat> 8x2GB :)
[09:46] <Lathiat> dual otperon 248s or something
[09:46] <Lathiat> with a thumping raid array
[09:47] <tseng> sure, why not
[09:47] <Lathiat> but yeh, its definately resource intensive
[09:47] <Lathiat> adodb & smarty make php nicer
[09:47] <tseng> i use pear-db
[09:47] <Lathiat> yeh?
[09:47] <Lathiat> i should look at it
[09:48] <tseng> its ok
[09:48] <Lathiat> i mean adodb isnt active record, but it has a few nice things for free
[09:48] <Lathiat> does asp.net have anything like AR?
[09:49] <tseng> there is a .net port of ar
[09:49] <tseng> im not sure if there is something nice in the platform itself
[09:49] <Lathiat> url?
[09:49] <tseng> asp.net excites me about enough to take a nap
[09:49] <Lathiat> haha
[09:49] <Lathiat> im just curious
[09:49] <Lathiat> i used asp like
[09:49] <Lathiat> 5 years ago or something
[09:50] <Lathiat> i think i made a page that said helloworld in the <% :)
[09:50] <tseng> thats nothing to do with asp.net
[09:50] <Lathiat> using PWS
[09:50] <Lathiat> that beast
[09:50] <Lathiat> tseng: i know
[09:50] <Lathiat> i fiddled with asp.net once
[09:50] <tseng> hah PWS was elite
[09:50] <Lathiat> was mildly impressed by the form handlding stuff
[09:50] <Lathiat> didnt really do any more than that
[09:50] <tseng> http://www.castleproject.org/index.php/ActiveRecord,_.Net_2.0_and_Generics
[09:50] <Lathiat> monos asp.net stuff is seriously not usable for production. :)
[09:50] <tseng> this castle thingy has some rails stuff for .net
[09:51] <Lathiat> at least not 6-12 months ago, i hear its come a long way since then
[09:51] <Lathiat> some thing they did gave it a 3x speedup or something, i forget what
[09:51] <tseng> its better, but i wouldnt touch it
[09:51] <Lathiat> i/o layer rewrite i think
[09:51] <tseng> yes
[09:51] <tseng> but mod_mono is still a whore for memory also
[09:51] <tseng> its not good at sharing
[09:52] <Lathiat> that page doesn't look hardly as elegant as AR in ruby
[09:52] <tseng> im not impressed with the knock-offs
[09:52] <Lathiat> grammer++
[09:53] <tseng> for any language
[09:53] <tseng> so whats the deal with smarty
[09:53] <Lathiat> its just a basic templating system
[09:53] <Lathiat> i used to do lots of fun things
[09:53] <Lathiat> <? something ?></table>

[09:54] <Lathiat> <? foreach >?

[09:54] <Lathiat> etc
[09:54] <Lathiat> gone are those days. :)
[09:54] <tseng> oh yeah?
[09:54] <tseng> i hate that
[09:54] <Lathiat> yeh
[09:54] <Lathiat> so now i go
[09:54] <Lathiat> $smarty->assign ("somearray", $somearray)
[09:54] <Lathiat> and then do it in the template
[09:54] <Lathiat> and its a bit more manageable
[09:54] <Lathiat> its basically like rails
[09:55] <\sh> so...I think it's time to go to bed for toda
[09:55] <\sh> y
[09:55] <tseng> bye \sh
[09:55] <Lathiat> cya
[09:55] <Lathiat> rails views and smarty work very similar
[09:55] <tseng> Lathiat: hm
[09:55] <\sh> cu guys....:) tomorrow more :)
[09:56] <Lathiat> your php is esentially your controller
[09:56] <\sh> btw...if anybody things I was inpolite to anyone...please raise the issue towards CC
[09:56] <Lathiat> and your models dont exist :)
[09:56] <\sh> thinks even
[09:56] <tseng> \sh: i will
[09:56] <tseng> \sh: see you in court
[09:56] <\sh> tseng: for sure...montreal ? ;)
[09:56] <tseng> no :(
[09:57] <\sh> tseng: oh...sad :(
[09:57] <Lathiat> tseng: so, this example is really ugly, but
[09:58] <tseng> Compiling: Smarty compiles templates into PHP code behind the scenes, eliminating run-time parsing of templates.
[09:58] <tseng> boggle
[09:58] <Lathiat> http://www.kcdshop.com/saki/demo/templates/category.tmpl
[09:58] <\sh> tseng: could u have a look over https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFS , cause of the mono stuff and remove everything which doesn't need love?
[09:58] <tseng> \sh: yes
[09:59] <\sh> tseng: *hugs* thx :)
[09:59] <\sh> so...good night :)
[09:59] <slomo> \sh, tseng: all the mono stuff compiles fine on all 3 arches
[09:59] <\sh> slomo: wow...u rock :)
[09:59] <\sh> tseng: forget my words :)
[09:59] <tseng> slomo: im fixing it
[10:00] <\sh> ok..gone
[10:00] <tseng> we are very high on the popcon list
[10:01] <ajmitch> morning
[10:01] <dholbach> morning andrew!
[10:01] <slomo> \sh_away: that has nothing to do with rocking... we had rebuilds/new versions of almost everything in the last days
[10:01] <dholbach> woohoo... reinforcements :)
[10:01] <dholbach> hey slomo
[10:01] <ajmitch> anything left for me to do?
[10:01] <tseng> dholbach: hugs
[10:01] <dholbach> hahaha :)))
[10:01] <slomo> hi dholbach :)
[10:01] <Lathiat> hey aj
[10:01] <ajmitch> or can I take a holiday for the next week?
[10:01] <Lathiat> ajmitch: rather
[10:01] <dholbach> night \sh_away
[10:01] <ajmitch> Lathiat: yay avahi
[10:02] <Lathiat> ajmitch: indeed
[10:02] <Lathiat> poor elmo had quite a backlog judging by breezy-changes ;p
[10:02] <ajmitch> oh yeah
[10:02] <ajmitch> 99% MOTU
[10:02] <Lathiat> and by the 5 of mine :)
[10:02] <ajmitch> I saw maybe 1 or 2 main packages there
[10:02] <dholbach> btw: i removed the stuff from UniverseFTBFS if it built on $arch
[10:03] <ajmitch> ok, now I have to run out for a couple of hours, just had to say hi ;)
[10:03] <dholbach> hehe :)
[10:04] <tseng> slomo: mono-xsp?
[10:04] <tseng> ill leave that for now
[10:05] <slomo> tseng: we have this? hum... i'll take a look
[10:05] <tseng> (4139, 'mono-apache-server')
[10:05] <tseng> i think is the same package
[10:05] <tseng> i dont touch that stuff with a stick
[10:06] <tseng> (2842, 'libwine-cil')
[10:06] <tseng> what in the world is that
[10:06] <slomo> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/x/xsp/1.0.5-1/
[10:06] <slomo> that's a good question... never heard of it
[10:06] <tseng> Maintainer: Debian Mono Group<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:06] <tseng> uh
[10:06] <slomo> hmm
[10:06] <slomo> aaaah
[10:07] <slomo> this is probably old System.Drawing stuff
[10:07] <tseng> yes
[10:07] <slomo> or System.Windows.Forms... it was wine stuff before afaik
[10:07] <tseng> i thought that was all in mono-assemblies-arch
[10:07] <tseng> but ok
[10:07] <tseng> lets not waste time on whatever it is
[10:08] <slomo> hehe... that must be ancient
[10:08] <slomo> can we remove this?
[10:09] <tseng> if meebey says so
[10:11] <dholbach> hey thesaltydog
[10:11] <dholbach> this is your day! it's FTBFS day! :)
[10:11] <dholbach> everybody's having fun over packages that FTBFS :)
[10:11] <dholbach> am i right? :)
[10:12] <tseng> we will get them all for dapper
[10:12] <ajmitch> tseng: get xsp 1.1.9, if it doesn't need mono 1.1.9
[10:12] <tseng> and go gcc 4.0 nuts
[10:12] <tseng> ajmitch: id rather not
[10:13] <tseng> does anyone want it?
[10:13] <ajmitch> that is if anyone had uploaded xsp
[10:13] <tseng> its not in debian
[10:13] <ajmitch> lurfagrin is probably waiting on my to sponsor still
[10:13] <ajmitch> s/my/me/
[10:13] <dholbach> what could ePSXe possibly be?
[10:13] <tseng> if you upload to debian
[10:13] <tseng> go ahead and sync it
[10:13] <ajmitch> ok
[10:14] <tseng> (thanks)
[10:14] <tseng> i dont want to deviate on things i know nothing about
[10:15] <slomo> otherwise i could fix xsp to compile with our mono... nothing that hard
[10:16] <dholbach> i have another funny note on other peoples view on debian/copyright
[10:16] <thesaltydog> hey dholbach !
[10:16] <dholbach>    "Copyright: don't ask"
[10:16] <slomo> :)
[10:17] <slomo> dholbach: you should make a blog entry about that when you collected enough
[10:17] <dholbach> that's what i thought
[10:17] <dholbach> :)
[10:19] <thesaltydog> dholbach, I am very busy setting up new ubuntu-it.org web site. Monday it will have an unveiling..
[10:19] <dholbach> cool
[10:20] <thesaltydog> dholbach, why you were saying it's my day?
[10:20] <dholbach> it was just a cheap try to get you involved in the FTBFS fixing ;)
[10:21] <Fuddl> Lathiat: cool, i exported the latest svn version of quake3 and it works now, to compile from exported sources! i'll upload a new package later
[10:21] <thesaltydog> dholbach, until monday I have hands and feet on ubuntu-it...
[10:21] <dholbach> yeah... i think so
[10:21] <dholbach> that's cool
[10:22] <thesaltydog> if you want to get a look (it is still unofficial http:/www.ubuntu-it.org/index.php
[10:23] <dholbach> coooool :)
[10:23] <Lathiat> Fuddl: ok, cool, i'll review when i wake up later
[10:23] <Lathiat> Fuddl: but it should be fine, just check lintian and linda
[10:25] <Fuddl> Lathiat: i'll do. hm, the sources now sem _MUCH_ cleaner! :)
[10:34] <Fuddl> Lathiat: upload finished and already played a bit with the new version on the net *happy* :)
[10:38] <bddebian> Heya gang
[10:38] <slomo> hi bddebian :)
[10:38] <bddebian> What did I screw up while I was away? ;-)
[10:39] <slomo> nothing :P
[10:39] <bddebian> Damn, I see we've had a bunch more bug reports again.. :-(
[10:41] <slomo> bddebian: you'll get mail from katie soon ;)
[10:41] <sivang> bddebian: can I touch packages that do not have nobody listed on them in here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFSi386 ?
[10:41] <bddebian> slomo: Uh oh
[10:41] <sivang> bddebian: I mean, some of them have remarks by you and/or dholbach
[10:42] <bddebian> sivang: Should be fine but \sh is saying that the list might be wrong
[10:42] <sivang> \sh_away: then which list should I work with?