[00:21] <kobrien> RoAkSoAx: doesn't it bind to localhost by default on ipv4?
[01:36] <amanda_> i need lots of help
[01:37] <kobrien> amanda_: state the issue
[01:38] <amanda_> i cant get sound
[01:39] <amanda_> i hear it faintly in the speakers but there is no way to turn it up all of the volume controols are all the way up and i know its not the speakers
[01:39] <amanda_> I know nothing about linux im very very new to it
[01:39] <kobrien> amanda_: the support channel is #ubuntu
[01:39] <amanda_> ok how do i get to that
[01:39] <kobrien> type /join #ubuntu
[01:40] <kobrien> you could also try the ubuntu forums
[01:40] <kobrien> here is the beginner forum: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=326
[01:41] <kobrien> with the beginners guide. enjoy.
[02:32] <lfaraone> If two bzr branches (from Debian and Ubuntu) have no common ancestor, how can I merge them together? (I want to discard all ubuntu changes other than the changelog, ideally)
[02:33] <lfaraone> (since the ubuntu delta can be dropped)
[06:02] <wrapster>  in the postinst script i cannot execute how do i execute shell commands?coz one in particular called 'update-ca-certificates' fails if written inside the postinst script.
[06:02] <wrapster> but anywhere else if i write its working fine.
[06:02] <wrapster> http://pastie.org/900511;there is a part of the script.
[06:03] <wrapster> http://pastie.org/900511
[06:03] <wrapster> thats the link
[08:38] <geser> wrapster: you have to figure out why it fails. Try adding set -x near the top of the update-ca-certificates so see where (and perhaps why) it fails.
[10:11] <arand> I find myself apt-getting build-deps, copying the "will be installed" output from apt (and sedding it to get a nice pasteable package list) to be able to remove these again when the build is completed, is there a better way to do this?
[10:23] <_ruben> arand: when using for instance pbuilder, that'll be automated for you
[10:27] <arand> _ruben: Indeed, but outside it's worse, seems like there are no real good *simple* ways, if one is preemptive one can always do "apt-get --simulate build-dep xxx|grep "^Inst"|awk '{print $2}' | tr -s '\n' ' ' > deps_remove" but it's not properly convenient...
[10:28] <_ruben> arand: the more reason to use utils like pbuilder? :)
[10:29] <arand> _ruben: true...
[10:31] <_ruben> i either use a pbuilder machine, or scrap boxes where i dont care about any (build)packages being left behind
[13:05] <Annaa> http://tinypic.zapto.org/2kn4m8.png?t=1270382236 do my breasts look to big?
[13:30] <arand> stgraber: I've been poking a bit in getting your fix for pastebin.com into earlier pastebinit. Karmic and Jaunty seems ok, but Hardy's version is giving me troubles, anyways, what I've got so far is up on Bug #526849 .
[14:28] <ari-tczew> bdrung: ping
[14:29] <bdrung> ari-tczew: pong
[14:30] <ari-tczew> bdrung: you have done 2 SRUs for me, but these packages doesn't exist yet, what happens?
[14:31] <bdrung> ari-tczew: they have to be accepted. look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+queue?queue_state=1
[14:31] <bdrung> (or similar)
[14:32] <ari-tczew> bdrung: when these packages will be moved to release/updates?
[14:33] <bdrung> ari-tczew: first they have to be accepted, then they appear in -proposed, after verification (done in the bug report) they are copied to -updates after some time
[14:34] <ari-tczew> ok thanks
[14:41] <nigelb> can someone help me make sense of this? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42069188/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.vlc_1.0.5-2ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:41] <nigelb> I wanted to get it into ubuntu but it isn't building
[14:42] <nigelb> the only delta from current version is an extra translation to the .desktop file
[14:43] <james_w> nigelb: looks to be missing an #include in at least the the first .h file mentioned
[14:43] <nigelb> james_w, but, how did it build for the repos?
[14:47] <james_w> nigelb: it's possible the compiler version changed if it wasn't built recently
[14:48] <james_w> gcc gets stricter each release
[14:48] <nigelb> oooh.  lemme hunt for whats missing :)
[14:54] <hyperair> james_w: could you ack banshee 1.6.0-1 please?
[14:54] <james_w> not right now
[14:54] <hyperair> mm do we have some kind of freeze that prevents this?
[14:54] <nigelb> beta 2 freeze right?
[14:54]  * hyperair thought beta freezes only applied to main package
[14:54] <hyperair> s
[14:55] <nigelb> I have like 3 or 4 bugs waiting for thursday :)
[14:55] <james_w> hyperair: no, I was just about to leave :-)
[14:55] <hyperair> james_w: ah okay nevermind then =p
[14:56] <james_w> I can't see the bug, where is it?
[14:56] <hyperair> er i dputted using syncpackage.
[14:56] <hyperair> "[ubuntu/lucid] banshee 1.6.0-1 (Waiting for approval)"
[14:56] <james_w> then it's caught by the beta freeze
[14:57] <james_w> it will get waved through soon enough
[14:57] <hyperair> i see. okay, thanks.
[14:58] <nigelb> hyperair, "-queuebot/#ubuntu-release- New package: banshee (universe) [1.5.6-1 → 1.6.0-1]"
[15:01] <hyperair> nigelb: what's that?
[15:01]  * hyperair has never heard of this queuebot
[15:01] <nigelb> join #ubuntu-release
[15:01] <nigelb> its the bot that resides there
[15:02] <hyperair> aah
[15:02] <hyperair> so is it supposed to be acked by an ubuntu-release person or an archive admin now?
[15:03]  * nigelb looks to wiki
[15:04] <nigelb> I think yes for main https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[15:05] <hyperair> =\
[15:05] <hyperair> i really meant to ask which one =\
[15:06]  * nigelb is you clueless, you're the MOTU here :D
[15:08] <ScottK> hyperair: Is there an FFe for banshee?
[15:12] <sebner> ScottK: only bugfixes. from RC to final
[15:14] <ScottK> Oh, OK.
[15:15] <ScottK> 1.5.6-1 → 1.6.0-1 did not look like an RC from just the numbers.
[15:15] <hyperair> 1.5.1 upwards was beta
[15:15] <hyperair> 1.6.0 is the final number
[15:15] <sebner> ScottK: nvm, 1.5.x was everything from beta to RC :D
[15:15] <ScottK> It's in.
[15:15] <hyperair> final version*
[15:15] <hyperair> thanks
[15:15] <ScottK> Right, if one isn't familiar with Banshee development, that's not clear.
[15:16] <ScottK> hyperair: If it's a bug fix only release, it's helpful to mention that in debian/changelog.
[15:16] <hyperair> ScottK: ah okay, i'll do that next time.
[15:16] <ScottK> Thanks.
[15:22] <sebner> ScottK: \o/
[15:55] <mhall119> I need some MOTU help
[15:55] <mhall119> I have 3 new packages that I would like to get included in Lucid
[15:55] <nigelb> mhall119, a bit too late.  now you need FFE for them
[15:55] <mhall119> Packages are in REVU, bugs are in Launchpad, I attached the orginal upstream and .diff.gz
[15:55] <mhall119> nigelb: I know, that's what I'm working on
[15:55] <nhandler> mhall119: Why do you need them?
[15:56] <mhall119> nhandler: they are for Qimo, and the Edubuntu guys were wanting them for their release too
[15:56] <mhall119> it's mostly artwork
[15:56] <mhall119> but also an X session startup script
[15:57] <mhall119> so I have the packages, I have the bug, I subscribed ubuntu-release to the  bug
[15:57] <mhall119> I attached the diffs and original packages to the bug report
[15:57] <mhall119> and described each package in the comments
[15:57] <mhall119> is there anything else I need to do for FFE?
[15:57] <nigelb> build log and install log?
[15:58] <nigelb> oh wait, not needed :)
[15:58] <mhall119> nothing's being compiled
[15:58] <mhall119> the only non-artwork are shell scripts
[15:58] <mhall119> and config files
[15:58] <nigelb> mhall119, bribe nhandler :D
[15:59] <mhall119> I'll let him borrow cjohnston some more if he gets me an exception ;)
[15:59] <sistpoty> build log is needed, even if nothing is compiled (still a binary package from a source package is created, right?)
[15:59] <mhall119> highvoltage and stgraber were helping me with packaging
[16:00] <mhall119> sistpoty: no
[16:00] <nhandler> nigelb: He'll want to bribe an Archive Admin. They need to push it through NEW. Can you post some bug numbers mhall119 ?
[16:00] <mhall119> sistpoty: the only binaries are images
[16:00] <nigelb> mhall119, no.. what he meant is.. isn't a deb created?
[16:00] <sistpoty> mhall119: but they live in a binary package?
[16:00] <mhall119> bug 522720
[16:00] <mhall119> bug 522729
[16:00] <sistpoty> (otherwise I'd immediately reject the FFe :P)
[16:00] <mhall119> bug 522731
[16:00] <mhall119> sistpoty: I'm not sure what you mean
[16:01] <nhandler> mhall119: Why are they Fix Committed?
[16:01] <sistpoty> mhall119: you upload a source package to launchpad, and there a binary package (.deb) is created. otherwise noone can install your package ;)
[16:01] <mhall119> because I dput them in revu, should I not have done that?
[16:01] <mhall119> sistpoty: I uploaded the source package to revu
[16:01] <nhandler> mhall119: They still need to get reviewed and acked by developers in addition to the FFe
[16:02] <mhall119> nhandler: I know, I'm trying to find reviewers, like I said highvoltage and stgraber had been helping me
[16:02] <mhall119> but with it being Easter weekend and all....
[16:02] <nigelb> mhall119, can give me a revu link?  I'll try to get a build log
[16:02] <mhall119> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/qimo-session
[16:03] <mhall119> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/qimo-games
[16:03] <mhall119> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/qimo-wallpaper
[16:03] <nigelb> nhandler, shouldn't the bugs be opened against ubuntu and not in qemo project?
[16:03] <mhall119> I didn't know, I just put them in my project
[16:03] <nhandler> nigelb: Yes. I missed that part.
[16:04] <mhall119> nhandler: should I add Ubuntu to "Also affects distribution"?
[16:04] <sistpoty> FFe bug should somehow show up in our worklist (that is bugs of state new, with ubuntu-release as subscriber) ;)
[16:04] <mhall119> sistpoty: ok, I'll set them back to new
[16:05] <sistpoty> mhall119: thanks
[16:05] <mhall119> okay, if it's "new" in ubuntu, can I leave it "fix committed" in qimo?
[16:05] <sistpoty> mhall119: sure
[16:07] <mhall119> ok, done
[16:07] <nigelb> mhall119, building
[16:08] <mhall119> thanks everyone for helping me
[16:08] <nigelb> it builds.. I'll attach a log to the bug
[16:12] <mhall119> thanks nigelb
[16:13] <mhall119> should I put a comment in the bugs stating why i think these packages should be included in a FFE?
[16:15] <nigelb> mhall119, I've added one build log.  will finish the others in a few minutes :)
[16:16] <mhall119> thanks
[16:23] <mhall119> is there anything I need to do to let ubuntu-release know I'm asking for a FFE?
[16:32] <nigelb> sistpoty, don't you generally ask for screenshots, etc?
[16:33] <sistpoty> nigelb: screenhots are a good way to demonstrate that you've tested the packages
[16:33] <nigelb> mhall119, ^
[16:35] <mhall119> screenshots of what?
[16:36] <nigelb> your package in lucid
[16:36] <mhall119> it's not a single program though
[16:36] <sebner> huhu sistpoty :)
[16:36] <mhall119> it's an X session + artwork + game dependencies
[16:36] <sistpoty> hi sebner
[16:37] <mhall119> I have screenshots of it running, build on one of the Lucid Alphas
[16:37] <mhall119> but it won't look like Lucid
[16:37] <mhall119> it'll look like Qimo
[16:37] <nigelb> isnt that the whole point of the package?
[16:38] <mhall119> yes, I'm just not sure what a screenshot of it is going to contribute to reviewers
[16:38] <nigelb> generally shows that it installs sucessfuly
[16:39] <mhall119> okay, you want just a screenshot of the desktop?
[16:39] <mhall119> like this http://qimo4kids.com/image.axd?picture=2010%2f2%2fAlpha2Screenshot.png
[16:39] <nigelb> mhall119, is this what happens when installing the session package?
[16:40] <mhall119> not immediately, no
[16:40] <mhall119> you have to pick "Qimo Session" from GDM
[16:40] <nigelb> yeah, well this is the package at work?
[16:40] <nigelb> if so, helps, put it in
[16:40] <mhall119> nigelb: yes, that's the package at work
[16:42] <mhall119> sistpoty: should I "Nominate for Release" to Lucid in the Ubuntu bug?
[16:42] <sistpoty> mhall119: no, we use FFe bugs instead of nominations to handle FFe's
[16:47] <mhall119> sistpoty: is there anything I need to do to label these as FFe bugs?
[16:47] <mhall119> also, I added a screenshot to bug 522720
[16:47] <sistpoty> mhall119: no, already showing up in the queue
[16:48] <mhall119> ok
[16:50] <mhall119> sistpoty: if there's anything I'm missing, just let me know and I'll get is ASAP
[16:51] <sistpoty> mhall119: you're missing someone with time to review the FFe ;) (sorry, gotta run myself now)
[16:52] <sistpoty> <- afk, cya
[16:52] <mhall119> I know, I just got my final artwork in a few days ago
[16:52] <mhall119> thanks for all the help sistpoty
[16:52] <sistpoty> yw
[16:52] <mhall119> and nigelb and nhandler
[16:52] <nigelb> np  :)
[17:33] <lfaraone> If two bzr branches (from Debian and Ubuntu) have no common ancestor, how can I merge them together? (I want to discard all ubuntu changes other than the changelog, ideally)
[17:33] <lfaraone> (since the ubuntu delta can be dropped)
[17:35] <geser> lfaraone: why merge if only the changelog remains? that sounds like a sync
[17:35] <lfaraone> geser: well, we also need to change the epoch.
[17:37] <lfaraone> (aside: would it be worthwhile to ask debian to increment the epoch as well so we can avoid this in the future? )
[17:37] <geser> you could at least try
[17:38] <geser> and I have no idea how to merge if both branches have no common ancestor
[17:50] <james_w> lfaraone: which package?
[17:50] <lfaraone> james_w: squeak-vm, which was just dropped from the archive for FTBFS
[17:50] <lfaraone> (I think I saw a ub-devel-announce email about it)
[17:51] <lfaraone> james_w: bug 552720
[17:53] <maxb> How much point is there in retaining the Ubuntu history at this point?
[17:53] <nigelb> wouldn't just sync-ing the debian package be enough?
[17:53] <nigelb> the changelog would be preserved anyway I think
[17:54] <maxb> 1) syncs don't preserve changelogs
[17:54] <maxb> 2) apparently there's an epoch change needed
[17:54] <nigelb> ah
[17:54] <lfaraone> maxb: yes, Ubuntu has an epoch of 1 whereas Debian has no epoch.
[17:54] <maxb> that sucks
[17:56] <maxb> Unfortunately there's no way to fix that
[17:57] <maxb> Unless the Debian maintainer is feeling very generous indeed and willing to accept a needless epoch in their package to work around Ubuntu's mistake
[18:02] <james_w> anyway, you can merge unrelated branches with "bzr merge -r0..-1 other-branch"
[18:03] <lfaraone> james_w: okay, thanks.
[18:24] <lfaraone> great, 148 conflicts.,
[19:08] <lfaraone> For some reason dput is not including the orig.tar.gz in my upload. How can I fix that?
[19:08] <lfaraone> (to a PPA)
[19:09] <ScottK> lfaraone: -S -sa
[19:41] <lfaraone> Implicit pointer conversion is fatal on PPA builds, is it the same way for the Ubuntu archive?
[19:41] <lfaraone> ( re https://edge.launchpad.net/~lfaraone/+archive/ppa/+build/1625819/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.squeak-vm_1:3.11.3+svn2147-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz )
[19:41] <ScottK> Should be.
[19:42] <geser> yes, it's fatal on amd64
[19:46] <geser> lfaraone: the problem is "warning: implicit declaration of function" which can be fixed by including the missing header for the declaration
[19:48] <lfaraone> geser: okay. my apologies, I know absolutely no C.
[19:49] <ScottK> lfaraone: I don't either, but Google can usually help you figure out which one is missing.
[20:00] <geser> lfaraone: give me a minute and I might have a patch for this for you
[20:02] <nigelb> can someone with c foo help me with http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42069188/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.vlc_1.0.5-2ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ?
[20:02] <lfaraone> geser: thanks :)
[20:04] <ScottK> nigelb: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-814334-start-0.html
[20:05] <nigelb> ScottK, ouch.  nothing can be done?
[20:05] <ScottK> nigelb: https://trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/3185
[20:05] <ScottK> nigelb: BTW, I have no C foo, those are in the top few Google hits on that error.
[20:06] <geser> nigelb: give me a moment to find the right headers for you
[20:06] <nigelb> ScottK, ugh! I always forgot to look in google
[20:06] <mdeslaur> nigelb, ScottK: there seems to be a patch for newer xulrunner support in the following gentoo bug: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=290318
[20:06] <nigelb> geser, thank you :)
[20:06] <mdeslaur> nigelb: http://cvs.rpmfusion.org/viewvc/rpms/vlc/devel/vlc-1.0.4-xulrunner-192.patch?revision=1.1&root=free&view=markup
[20:07] <sebner> geser is tehh workhorse! :D
[20:10] <kobrien> I'm a C coder, can i be of assistance?
[20:10] <nigelb> geser, http://cvs.rpmfusion.org/viewvc/rpms/vlc/devel/vlc-1.0.4-xulrunner-192.patch?revision=1.1&root=free&view=markup looks sane?
[20:11] <nigelb> mdeslaur, that was a lot of reading material :)
[20:11] <nigelb> thanks
[20:12] <geser> nigelb: yes, from a quick look (at least it should fix some errors)
[20:12] <nigelb> geser, thanks, I'll try a build with that patch :)
[20:13] <ScottK> kobrien: We can always use help.
[20:15] <kobrien> ScottK: :) cool
[20:15] <ScottK> geser: Got any C stuff kobrien could help on?
[20:16] <ScottK> lucas: Since taktuk would build with the autotools-dev we have in Lucid (and it's way too late to update it), what's your plan to fix it?
[20:16] <nigelb> ScottK, kobrien: we could always use help with patch review :)
[20:16] <ScottK> nigelb: Could you help kobrien get started?
[20:17] <nigelb> ScottK, sure :)
[20:17] <nigelb> kobrien, here's the link to reviewers team wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReviewersTeam
[20:18] <kobrien> nigelb: ok, lets see
[20:18] <nigelb> kobrien, and here's the reviewers queue.  if you feel you can understand a patch, pick it, test it, and review according to review guide https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-reviewers/+subscribedbugs
[20:19] <kobrien> nigelb: cool
[20:19] <geser> kobrien: if you look for some C/C++ related problems to fix: search http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu_ftbfs.cgi for "invalid conversion"
[20:19] <geser> kobrien: e.g. http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~lucas/ubuntu-nbs/32/vdr-plugin-epgsearch_0.9.24-3_llucid32.buildlog or http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~lucas/ubuntu-nbs/32/vdr-plugin-extrecmenu_1.1-8build1_llucid32.buildlog
[20:19] <geser> there are some more
[20:19] <lucas> ScottK: it's probably quite easy to fix taktuk to build with an older autotools-dev
[20:20] <geser> I don't know how hard or easy they are to fix
[20:21] <kobrien> i've applied for membership of the reviewers team
[20:22] <ScottK> lucas: Could you take that on or find someone to manage it?
[20:22] <lucas> ScottK: yes, will do
[20:22] <ScottK> lucas: Thanks.
[20:22] <lucas> ScottK: you care about taktuk?
[20:22] <ScottK> lucas: No.  Autofoo and I don't get along.
[20:30] <lfaraone> geser: back, sorry, had to restart.
[21:05] <geser> lfaraone: http://paste.ubuntu.com/409193/ this should fix the FTBFS
[21:05] <geser> someone more familiar with the source might have a better fix for it
[21:06] <geser> and contact upstream that they should also fix the other implicit declarations
[21:31] <lfaraone> geser: thanks, building in PPA now.
[21:40] <lfaraone> what's the best way to detect at build-time if a package is being built for Ubuntu?
[21:41] <c_korn> lfaraone: if [ "$(lsb_release -is)" = "Ubuntu" ] ; then echo blub ; fi
[21:42] <lfaraone> c_korn: hm. I tried to use http://paste.ubuntu.com/409201/ in my rules file, but when I sent it off for PPA building it looks like the "else" code was executed.
[21:43] <c_korn> lfaraone: you need the quotes
[21:45] <lfaraone> c_korn: mk. would it be worth reuploading to Debian to fix that (I'm DM) so we can sync rather than merge,
[21:45] <lfaraone> ... or is that too trivial.
[21:46] <c_korn> lfaraone: I am not a MOTU actually. but syncing is always easier than merging.
[21:46] <c_korn> I already included that in the scilab package in Debian
[21:47] <c_korn> s/already/also/
[22:07] <lfaraone> geser: there's one error remaining: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/43108938/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.squeak-vm_1%3A3.11.3%2Bsvn2147-1ubuntu1.pp1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[22:39] <lfaraone> c_korn: very odd: unless I'm reading https://edge.launchpad.net/~lfaraone/+archive/ppa/+build/1625944 wrong, https://edge.launchpad.net/~lfaraone/+archive/ppa/+build/1625944/+files/autokey_0.61.7-2~preppa1_all.deb is depending on  "-qt", when it should be "-gtk" on Ubuntu. ( DSC: https://edge.launchpad.net/~lfaraone/+archive/ppa/+files/autokey_0.61.7-2~preppa1.dsc)
[22:39] <lfaraone> c_korn: (I changed to the test you provided)
[22:40] <c_korn> lfaraone: just add an echo command to see which branch it takes
[22:41] <lfaraone> c_korn: so I'd write at the end, "echo debian/autokey.substvars contains `cat debian/autokey.substvars`", right?
[22:42] <c_korn> echo akdefaulttype=gtk | tee debian/autokey.substvars;
[23:06] <lfaraone> c_korn: per http://launchpadlibrarian.net/43113334/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.autokey_0.61.7-2~preppa3_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz , it's expanding the lsb_release command to ""
[23:08] <c_korn> try with: if [ "$$(lsb_release -is)" = "Ubuntu" ] ; then
[23:10] <c_korn> if [ "$$(lsb_release --id -s)" = "Ubuntu" ] ; then
[23:10] <c_korn> I use this successfully in the scilab package


[12:59] <tjaalton> I got a "Method http died unexpectedly" error while installing hardy on a vmware vm.. first time ever for me
[13:00] <tjaalton> http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/foo/syslog
[13:55] <tjaalton> worked the next time, so not reproducible it seems
[14:27] <xivulon> evand, as mentioned pls have a look at the discussion in bug #136682
[14:28] <xivulon> The Tormod branch with the fix is https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~tormodvolden/lupin/locale
[14:28] <xivulon> Please feel free to merge it in the main lupin branch if you think it is appropriate for point release
[14:36] <evand> will do
[14:36] <xivulon> evand, also had a very preliminary look at having "/host" on the desktop
[14:37] <evand> how'd that go?
[14:37] <xivulon> I think it is down to HAL and might be a bit invasive
[14:37] <xivulon> but didn't spend much time
[14:37] <evand> ok
[14:37] <xivulon> one strange thing I noticed though
[14:37] <xivulon> In my amd installation on real iron, there are no fstab entries for the other devices
[14:39] <xivulon> didn't go over the code/logs but that shouldn't be the correct behaviour
[14:39] <xivulon> do you experience the same thing?
[14:40] <evand> you mean other partitions on the same drive and drives?
[14:40] <xivulon> yes
[14:40] <xivulon> basically all other partition other than /host should still be in fstab correct?
[14:40] <xivulon> they are not
[14:41] <xivulon> finally I sent you a pm on ubuntuforums, apparently Computer Guru has some fixes for Vista
[14:42] <evand> iirc, that's expected behavior now
[14:42] <evand> that they're not put in fstab
[14:42] <xivulon> ah
[14:42] <xivulon> I was comparing to my pre-beta (upgraded) main 8.04 installation which had all of them...
[14:42] <xivulon> ok good, 1 less
[14:42] <evand> I don't have any new PMs.  You sent it to "evan d", right?
[14:43] <xivulon> evand
[14:43] <evand> that's not me
[14:43] <xivulon> arg
[14:43] <evand> email is generally preferable for these things anyway
[14:44] <xivulon> I know but was convenient since had to fwd the original message
[14:44] <xivulon> anyway forwarded
[14:44] <evand> ah, fair enough
[14:44] <xivulon> by the way, I think I have been sending quite a few PM to the wrong you over the past year...
[14:46] <evand> yikes
[14:47] <xivulon> no big deal, if there was anything I thought was important I would have reminded you anyway on IRC/gmail
[14:47] <xivulon> the credits section of wubi-installer.org is then also wrong: http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=15193
[14:49] <xivulon> One reason I use the forum PM is that it is one of the few things that is not firewalled when I am at work
[14:49] <evand> ah, I hadn't noticed
[14:50] <xivulon> made a note will update tonight
[14:56] <evand> xivulon: where are these fixes you speak of?  All I see is a message requesting that Computer Guru be added to the ubuntu-installer team.
[14:58] <xivulon> back to #136682 didn't read all the code, but there is no postrm, proabably not a big deal since the 2 initramfs scripts (root_locale will) be removed anyway and etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/root_locale shouldn't have much use
[14:59] <xivulon> evand, he mentioned ubuntu-installer because he wanted to upload some fixes
[14:59] <xivulon> I haven't seen them yet
[14:59] <xivulon> I sent another pm asking not to upload anything onto hardy and use a separate branch anyway
[14:59] <xivulon> (cc'ed the wrong you of course)
[15:01] <xivulon> forwarded that too
[15:03] <evand> yeah, I'd personally prefer to see a regular series of contributions before he's added.  There's no need for him to join the team to get his code in. As you mention, he can work in a branch and we'll merge in where necessary.
[15:04] <xivulon> I think that is perfectly understendable.


[00:39] <nooblar> hi
[10:17] <BUGabundo> asac: fta: ping
[10:18] <BUGabundo> FF 3.2 is always freezing with Script: chrome://browser/content/tabbrowser.xml:247
[10:18] <BUGabundo> known bug?
[10:33] <BUGabundo> asac RT
[10:33] <BUGabundo> FF 3.2 is always freezing with Script: chrome://browser/content/tabbrowser.xml:247
[10:33] <BUGabundo> known bug?
[10:34] <BUGabundo> are you here asac?? seeing a lot of disconects
[10:46] <BUGabundo> asac: please ping me (identica or mail) on how to get java plugin onto FF 3.{1,2}
[10:47] <BUGabundo> I don't see it on about:plugins so some site won't work
[10:47] <BUGabundo> like vipeers!
[10:47] <BUGabundo> thanks
[13:30] <fta> mozilla bug 471359
[13:53] <asac> fta: join some of the identi.ca groups too ;)
[13:53] <fta> just joined 2
[13:53] <asac> heh
[13:53] <asac> cool
[13:53] <asac> i think this feature existed before ... i never noticed it though
[13:54] <fta> are we supposed to get messages from all members now?
[13:54] <asac> i dont think they will appear on your personal timeline
[13:54] <asac> maybe gwibber could also have "group" tabs
[13:54] <asac> with the messages of your groups
[13:55] <asac> joining groups is more for easier finding each other
[13:55] <asac> and subscribing to more folks ; )
[14:05] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bjorn-runaker-se/network-manager/trunk.mbm
[14:05] <asac> what a messy tree (again)
[14:06] <asac> he pushed overwrote something perfectly like https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bjorn-runaker-se/modemmanager/trunk.mbm
[14:06] <asac> with a huge code-drop again ...
[14:08] <asac> fta: seems like your message needs: !ubuntu to show up on the ubuntu group page
[14:08] <asac> http://identi.ca/group/ubuntu
[14:08] <asac> didnt work for my laconica thopugh
[14:11] <fta> lol, why reset history?
[14:11] <asac> so the setting for the jabber contact disappeared from the website ... however, now the notices get delivered to my jabber again (even though i opted-out weeks ago)
[14:12] <asac> fta: reset history? you mean my complaint not to delete stuff?
 what a messy tree (again)
[14:12] <asac> ah
[14:12] <asac> yeah
[14:12] <asac> fta: i dont know why
[14:12] <asac> i thought i understood what makes sense and what is senseless
[14:12] <asac> he complained to me "push says it has diverged"
[14:12] <asac> i told him: use a different name so i can take a look please
[14:13] <asac> next he said: "pushed --overwrite"
[14:13] <asac>  me: that sucks
[14:13] <fta> lol
[14:14] <asac> i can only hope that the /momdemanager/ branch was the previous snapshot so i can at least diff on my own
[14:15] <asac> mkdir ubuntu_mm/bjornbackup
[14:15] <asac> cd ubuntu_mm/bjornbackup/
[14:15] <asac> buntu_mm/bjornbackup$ bzr branch lp:~bjorn-runaker-se/modemmanager/trunk.mbm
[14:15] <asac> lets get the backups quick ;)
[14:16] <asac> fta: so it seems that messages directly to group
[14:16] <asac> go to your timeline too
[14:16] <asac> e.g. http://identi.ca/asac/all
[14:17] <asac> i am not subscribed to ihirliann
[14:17] <asac> mann
[14:17] <asac> so you will see all !ubuntu messages
[14:17] <asac> but not every message from all !ubuntu members
[14:17] <fta> ask the group :)
[14:17] <asac> sounds sensible
[14:17] <asac> i like that ;)
[14:18] <asac> fta: interesting is that !laconica seems really not to work
[14:18] <asac> even his message has no link on website
[14:18] <asac> and gwibber doesnt know about that feature at all
[14:18] <asac> linkwise
[14:18] <asac> -> new feature request to implement
[14:18] <fta> i think it's a new feature
[14:18] <asac> should be rather simple i assume
[14:18] <asac> groups?
[14:18] <fta> yes
[14:18] <asac> i dont think so
[14:18] <asac> uds exists
[14:19] <asac> i doubt that someone created that group since 23rd jan
[14:19] <fta> it was a user, no?
[14:20] <asac> fta: a user?
[14:20] <asac> oh four joined ubuntu after us already
[14:20] <asac> thats good growth rate ;)
[14:21] <fta> damn, all my disks are > 99.5% :(
[14:23] <asac> so seems that i am currently the top blocker for releasing debian lenny
[14:24] <fta> grr, that tray bug is getting on my nerves, i lost my gwibber window, again
[14:24] <asac> shitty
[14:24] <asac> http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
[14:24] <asac> green line is close to zero
[14:24] <asac> and iceape blocking the release
[14:25] <asac> i am supposed to do the transition that allows iceape-browser to be removed from testing :(
[14:26] <fta> removed?
[14:26] <fta> transition to what?
[14:26] <asac> icedove
[14:26] <asac> we want to remove iceape to reduce security work
[14:26] <asac> for stable
[14:26] <asac> unfortunately everything build depends on iceape
[14:26] <asac> as it provides the 1.8 glue
[14:27] <asac> also some seem to use it for other stuff
[14:27] <asac> which can be more tricky i guess
[14:29] <fta> eh? you transition a browser to a MUA?
[14:29] <asac> what a mess
[14:29] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/108982/
[14:29] <asac> fta: well. most use it to get the dependent glue
[14:30] <asac> not for the rendering capabilities
[14:34] <asac> sometimes i wonder how anyone can achieve anything when code changes in such a confused fashion
[14:34] <asac> there must be major confusion during development
[14:35] <asac> commented code; reindentation without sense. all this stuff that makes understanding the actual changes cumbersome
[14:35] <asac> just save everything and commit from top
[14:36] <asac> i am sure that laziness
[14:36] <asac> e.g. not looking at diffs before commit ... or not cleaning stuff up at all
[14:38] <asac> i am getting more confident that they will never get this in a form suitable for upstream inclusion
[14:38] <asac> sigh
[14:38]  * asac will die on this
[14:39]  * sebner winks asac
[14:39] <asac> thanks!
[14:39] <asac> ;)
[14:39] <fta> asac, oh, he's not upstream?
[14:40] <asac> depends on how you define upstream ;)
[14:40] <asac> he gives me those code drops
[14:40] <asac> but i will definitly not put that into the distro
[14:40] <asac> he forked modemmanager,networkmanager and applet
[14:42] <fta> i don't understand, who is upstream then? fedora? that guy? a community?
[14:42] <asac> but i am sure that evolution will solve this ... they will have to rewrite everything in order to get that mess rebased on 0.7
[14:42] <asac> fta: the upstream maintainer is Dan Williams from redhat
[14:42] <asac> and Ingo Tambet works a lot from suse
[14:42] <asac> who is the upstream maintainer for modemmanager
[14:43] <asac> bjorn is from a modem company ;)
[14:43] <fta> oh
[14:44] <asac> they have a really wierd modem ;)
[14:45] <asac> especially their driver approach is fun ;)
[14:45] <asac> they have a usbnet driver that on its own annouces itself as a wired network driver
[14:45] <asac> then they use hal-info stuff to make a modem device out of it ;)
[14:46] <asac> but use ifconfig in modemmanager to make the usbnet device get the IP and stuff (e.g. no ppp)
[14:48] <asac> http://markmail.org/message/a2pu5f3d4xxs76r7#query:mbm%20driver%20carl+page:1+mid:qmj7zec2nk3js4ge+state:results
[14:52] <asac> crazy
[14:53] <asac> A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply?
[14:55] <BUGabundo> asac: ping
[14:58] <asac> BUGabundo: whats the problem? i couldnt parse your exact issue ;)
[15:00] <BUGabundo> LOL
[15:00] <BUGabundo> hi. good afternoon
[15:01] <BUGabundo> it seems I can't enable the java ff plugin
[15:01] <BUGabundo> I see it on synaptic, but sites ask me to install it, anyway, but I only get that wizard saying it failed
[15:01] <BUGabundo> that I should do a manual install
[15:05] <BUGabundo> asac: does this make any more sense?
[15:29] <asac> BUGabundo: not sure. which plugin are you trying to install?
[15:29] <BUGabundo> err
[15:29] <BUGabundo> the java one ?
[15:29] <asac> which
[15:29] <asac> there is not only one
[15:30] <BUGabundo> err yeah.. there are a bunch of them now
[15:30] <BUGabundo> it used to be just SUNs
[15:30] <BUGabundo> let me check alternative
[15:31] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/108999/
[15:32] <asac> BUGabundo: there is a xulrunner plugin alternative
[15:32] <asac> try to change that
[15:32] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/109000/  yeah, got the 000 :)
[15:32] <asac> java isnt used for plugin, just for the runtime binary
[15:33] <BUGabundo> asac: so what should I try to install?
[16:43] <BUGabundo> fta: $ fennec could not read application.ini
[16:44] <fta> BUGabundo, do you have xul 1.9.1 ?
[16:46] <BUGabundo> fta let me check
[16:46] <fta> BUGabundo, please show me: ls -l `which fennec`
[16:47] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy xulrunner-1.9.1  Installed: 1.9.1~b3~hg20090117r22878+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~fta1
[16:47] <BUGabundo> !ls -l `which fennec`
[16:47] <fta> $ ls -l `which fennec`
[16:47] <fta> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 2009-01-14 16:43 /usr/bin/fennec -> ../lib/fennec-1.0a2/fennec
[16:50] <fta> BUGabundo, ^^
[16:51] <BUGabundo> lol
[16:51] <BUGabundo> looks the same doesn't it?
[16:52] <fta> BUGabundo, eh? not to me. here is what i see: http://paste.ubuntu.com/109028/
[16:53] <BUGabundo> LOL didn't pidgin echoed mine ?
[16:53] <BUGabundo> lol
[16:53] <fta> i want to make sure you have a symlink in /usr/bin
[16:53] <BUGabundo> $ ls -l `which fennec`
[16:53] <BUGabundo> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 2009-01-14 08:22 /usr/bin/fennec -> ../lib/fennec-1.0a2/fennec*
[16:54] <BUGabundo> how funny!! pidgin isn't echoing my commands!! let me turn on the '!' prefix instead of '/exec'
[16:54] <fta> you should use a proper irc client, so you could stay idle instead of going on and off every few minutes, never receiving answers to your questions
[16:54] <BUGabundo> fta im sorry! pidgin is crashing a lot due to PA bug!
[16:55] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/317897
[16:55] <BUGabundo> other wise it should be up for longer!
[16:55] <fta> irc is not an IM protocol so pidgin is imho not the right tool for it
[16:55] <BUGabundo> fta we will discuss that some other day...
[16:56] <BUGabundo> its the client I use, and it sutes my needs, unless it is broken
[16:56] <BUGabundo> fta so I have the fennec link
[16:56] <BUGabundo> now what?
[16:58] <fta> i'm puzzled. looks like fennec is not able to get the proper MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME from the stub. try to remove fennec and reinstall it
[16:58] <BUGabundo> okay
[17:00] <BUGabundo> foo
[17:00] <BUGabundo> did you just see that 'foo' ?
[17:00] <fta> yes
[17:00] <BUGabundo> ok then it's a pidgin plugin bug! need to file it
[17:01] <BUGabundo> $ sudo apt-get install fennec
[17:03] <BUGabundo> $ fennec Could not read application.ini
[17:03] <fta> sudo dpkg --purge fennec ; sudo apt-get install fennec
[17:04] <BUGabundo> grrr
[17:04] <BUGabundo> already remove it! ok will do again with dpkg
[17:05] <fta> remove != purge
[17:05] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/109032/
[17:05] <BUGabundo> I did apt-get remove --purge fennec
[17:06] <BUGabundo> still I get the same
[17:06] <BUGabundo> after dpkg
[17:07] <fta> hm, i have no clue then. i remember this already happened a while ago but i don't remember the fix. i'm on something else right now, i'll have a look later
[17:07] <BUGabundo> np
[17:07] <BUGabundo> dent me when you have it fix
[17:09] <fta> does it work if you start fennec with "MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/usr/lib/fennec-1.0a2 fennec" ?
[17:09] <BUGabundo> $ MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/usr/lib/fennec-1.0a2 fennec Could not read application.ini
[17:10] <fta> and with: "cd /usr/lib/fennec-1.0a2 ; ./fennec" ?
[17:13] <BUGabundo> works
[17:13] <fta> ok, good. that's an hint.
[17:14] <fta> asac, ^^ i think we already encountered that, right?
[17:16] <BUGabundo> wasn't he out for lunch with mom?
[17:16] <BUGabundo> still need to fix my java firefox plugin... didn't get what he meant!
[17:17] <fta> yep, but he'll get it when he's done, that's the idea of staying idle on irc, compared to using IM
[17:17] <BUGabundo> I know!
[17:17] <fta> (no offense intended :))
[17:18] <BUGabundo> non taken!
[17:18] <fta> openkomodo is getting on my nerves
[17:19] <BUGabundo> I already have to many interaction apps open... I don't think I can handle on more
[17:19] <BUGabundo> LOL fta
[17:19] <BUGabundo> what model do you have?
[17:19] <BUGabundo> cant wait until I get my hands on a FOSS handhelp!
[17:19] <fta> i'm packaging 5.10.0-something
[17:20] <fta> model of what?
[17:21] <BUGabundo> of the openmoko
[17:21] <BUGabundo> oppss
[17:21] <BUGabundo> miss read!
[17:21] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOLOLOL
[17:22] <BUGabundo> ok I need to go eat something... eheh
[17:25] <BUGabundo> fta do you have a minute?
[17:25] <fta> what for?
[17:25] <BUGabundo> debug
[17:25] <BUGabundo> firefox plugin
[17:25] <BUGabundo> actually addon: fullerscreen
[17:25] <fta> not really
[17:26] <fta> sorry
[17:26] <BUGabundo> not sure if it is a bug on the addon or FF
[17:26] <fta> i'm not really into addons
[17:26] <BUGabundo> np . that's why I asked
[17:26] <fta> asac and Jazzva are
[17:26] <BUGabundo> I mentioned you were busy
[17:26] <BUGabundo> don't know Jazzva... time to nag the new guy
[17:26] <BUGabundo> Jazzva: ping
[22:11] <fta> asac, openkomodo happens to have an --official switch documented as "build a clean unpatched mozilla or firefox"


[11:05] <yarko> ompaul: Thank you Friend. but forget about it... I will torture the beast tomorrow -- now I am off to home
[11:05] <Azunai> hi guys
[11:05] <ompaul> preative, the syntax is avoiding me atm - try this >>set NOAPIC<< on that line
[11:05] <ompaul> preative, maybe all lower case
[11:06] <Azunai> has anyone here heard of knoppix?
[11:06] <preative> new at this... i dont get what you mean
[11:06] <elvin> how exactly i add an user ?
[11:06] <ompaul> Azunai, yeap, but not as much as the people in #knoppix
[11:06] <fissy> celenk, apparently: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/savedefault.html
[11:06] <Travis__> HI, I have a gamepad/controller thing I am trying to get to work with ubuntu, how do I make ubuntu detect it
[11:06] <celenk> fissy, yeah nvm I just found that =\
[11:06] <preative> where do i type that at?
[11:06] <preative> the prompt?
[11:06] <celenk> fissy, where would you like me to post the entries?
[11:06] <Azunai> ompaul, yeah but im on ubuntu i wanted to know if there was a way i can apt-get the iso :P
[11:07] <ompaul> elvin, the easy (GUI) way system adminstration users/groups
[11:07] <celenk> fissy, of menu.lst
[11:07] <rambo3> is there some kind of java console manager in ubuntu  for sun java 1.5
[11:07] <ompaul> preative, yes
[11:07] <timfrost> !pastebin
[11:07] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, totally, a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[11:07] <arm0sfighter> i have a external dvd drive and its reading the cd i put it and i can move the stuff off of them onto my computer but.. i cant write to it and it cant detect it in dvd shrink on wine
[11:07] <fissy> celenk, the thing in the title probably works
[11:07] <arm0sfighter> help
[11:07] <fissy> topic*
[11:07] <emilee> hello
[11:08] <preative> so type "set noapic" and it will run or type more after that?
[11:08] <glacious> =)
[11:08] <ompaul> Azunai, no ftp / http / torrent it -- http://www.knoppix.org or try this one http://www.kanotix.com
[11:08] <Azunai> i did there all really slow sources :(
[11:08] <Dempa> hey, i have a question. Just gave my gf a ubuntu livecd since her win install broke, but the wireless connection doesn't work. Is there a way to fix this without a full hd install?
[11:08] <ompaul> preative, try it, it may need more but that is step one
[11:09] <preative> okay thanks ill  be right back
[11:09] <celenk> fissy, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7542
[11:09] <celenk> fissy, the recovery mode works, that's why I posted that as well
[11:09] <HS-L> can anyone tell me what are the pro's of running ubuntu as server os instead of just debian?
[11:09] <celenk> fissy, for comparative reasons
[11:09] <ompaul> Dempa, you will need to get the wireless driver for it, (windows one) and look at a web page I will get the bot to send you
[11:09] <fissy> celenk, you see that initrd on the end of your /vmlinuz line?
[11:10] <fissy> celenk, that shouldn't be there, a line break got taken out somehow
[11:10] <Dempa> ompaul,  ok, but will it work right away the next time she boots on the livecd?
[11:10] <fissy> celenk, edit and press enter after the "sp"
[11:10] <ompaul> HS-L, so your desktop and server are the same :)
[11:10] <tatters> ubuntu got a more ring to the name than debian?
[11:10] <ompaul> HS-L, it is more up to date given it started as sid
[11:10] <HS-L> ompaul: well my desktop is macosx :)
[11:10] <celenk> fissy, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7543
[11:10] <celenk> fissy, there
[11:11] <ompaul> HS-L, well you can install ubuntu there too
[11:11] <celenk> err
[11:11] <arm0sfighter> armosfighter need help...
[11:11] <celenk> fissy, err
[11:11] <HS-L> heheh, well, i've installed it on my x86 machine at work.
[11:11] <ompaul> Dempa, only if you build a script for her - have a look at it
[11:11] <celenk> fissy, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7544
[11:11] <celenk> fissy, there
[11:11] <fissy> celenk, is that possibly coming about from how you're copying and pasting?
[11:11] <HS-L> but i wondered if it would have advantages if i install ubuntu on my server.
[11:11] <arm0sfighter> : (
[11:11] <ompaul> Dempa, or you could do persistant data on a usb have a look on the wiki
[11:11] <celenk> fissy, it doesn't look like that in console
[11:12] <celenk> fissy, it looks like http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7544
[11:12] <elvin> ubotu sendmail
[11:12] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what you're talking about, elvin
[11:12] <fissy> celenk, ok, i think the sp at then end of your kernel line should read splash
[11:12] <Dempa> ompaul,  ok, thanks. i'll digg som in the ndiswrapperwiki
[11:12] <ompaul> Dempa, that is wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:12] <fissy> celenk, so a bit like my dapper line: kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-13-686 root=/dev/sda2 ro vga=771 quiet splash
[11:12] <celenk> fissy, agh, it didn't copy it correctly
[11:12] <celenk> fissy, it does say splash in file
[11:13] <celenk> fissy, =\
[11:13] <ompaul> HS-L, do you want more current packages on your debian server?
[11:13] <HS-L> ompaul: i assume all the standard packages (apache2 mysql php postfix are default installed?
[11:13] <HS-L> well, at the moment i have an mac osx server, but it sucks
[11:13] <fissy> celenk, ok. did you have to edit the file at all to get it to look like that on the pastebin? did you need to put the linebreak in?
[11:13] <Travis__> how do I use a GAMEPAD with linux its connected to the gameport on the back of my computer
[11:13] <HS-L> ompaul: i'll get my new server next week
[11:13] <bimberi> HS-L: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship/ particularly under "About Ubuntu"
[11:13] <celenk> fissy, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7545 there that's how it looks in nano
[11:13] <ompaul> HS-L, no, sudo apt-get install whatever - you might want mysql and postfix but not the others - think what you install gets turned on - why else did you install it :)
[11:14] <celenk> fissy, what do you mean?
[11:14] <celenk> fissy, I edited the pastebin entry, not the file itself
[11:14] <tatters> ive just managed to get mysql-server apache , acidlab, php4 and snort to work on ubuntu, only took me 4 days :/
[11:14] <fissy> celenk, so you haven't edited the menu.lst at all and we're still trying to work out what's wrong?
[11:14] <celenk> fissy, yes, sorry for copying error
[11:14] <fissy> np
[11:15] <tatters> still only been using linux for 4 days so I count that as a result :P
[11:15] <metalsand> I'm trying to install linux-headers but do not know which version I need
[11:16] <fissy> celenk, do you have the safemode linux there? what does cat /etc/mtab | grep " / "  show?
[11:16] <_patrick> Anyone know how to fix sound setup so that sound can be coming from more then one program? Situation is, I get sound on Teamspeak but then America's Army then has no sound and vise versa.
[11:16] <preative> ompaul, it said it could not find the kernal image
[11:16] <metalsand> What is "On 386" imply?
[11:16] <tatters> still no idea what to back up I thought in linux root folder held all the files
[11:16] <celenk> fissy, /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-root / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro 0 0
[11:16] <metalsand> do I want linux-headers-2.6.12-10 or linux-headers-2.6.12-10-386
[11:16] <bimberi> metalsand: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[11:17] <ompaul> metalsand, uname -a and compare
[11:17] <metalsand> bimberi: I'm assuming that will install the correct ones automatically?
[11:17] <austin_> hi guys
[11:17] <zeb> printer help plz
[11:17] <bimberi> metalsand: yes - in fact it will install both of those (-10 depends on -10-386)
[11:17] <zeb> if i cant get this to work ill have to go back to windows
[11:17] <austin_> could u guys help me?
[11:17] <austin_> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/AirPlus
[11:18] <zeb> the drivers are installed, but it keeps printing out blank pages
[11:18] <austin_> I want to install a wireless card
[11:18] <ompaul> zeb, from the menu:::: system administration printing
[11:18] <metalsand> bimberi: Perfect, thank you.
[11:18] <bimberi> metalsand: yw :)
[11:18] <tatters> whats a red box with white X in top right hand corner of a file mean?
[11:18] <zeb> ok
[11:18] <fissy> celenk, sorry, no idea. You could try taking off the quiet and splash options from your kernel line, but if it worked with them before...
[11:18] <zeb> now what
[11:18] <metalsand> bimberi: Would you recommend I Follow this guide (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToInstallTheWlanNgDriverInHoary) to get my Wireless PCMCIA device working?
[11:18] <ompaul> zeb, it is a kind of obvious menu system give it a shot
[11:19] <fissy> celenk, explain how it fails again? when you press enter on the top option, it does something and then goes back to grub?
[11:19] <zeb> duh, dude
[11:19] <zeb> already done that
[11:19] <B1zz> tatters that is to kill an app
[11:19] <clinica_psichiat> hi
[11:19] <zeb> the printer is installed
[11:19] <bimberi> metalsand: oops, btw the dependency is the other way around (not really important but i'm a perfectionist :P )
[11:19] <preative> whats do i do when it says no kernal image found?
[11:19] <zeb> but it keeps printing out blanks
[11:19] <austin_> it says to use the curl command in the trtminal.... it doesnt work
[11:19] <B1zz> if the app stops responding that will force close it
[11:19] <ompaul> zeb, what application are you using to print with ?
[11:19] <metalsand> bimberi: Gotcha. About the guide?
[11:19] <austin_> hello?
[11:19] <tatters> its on my acidlab.conf file?
[11:19] <zeb> well ive just been printing test pages
[11:19] <metalsand> Do you recommend I follow it?
[11:19] <celenk> fissy, yes, it happens extremely quickly, like a flash of maybe four lines of text then back to grub
[11:19] <B1zz> opps my mistake lol
[11:20] <B1zz> dont listen to me
[11:20] <B1zz> :-p
[11:20] <flavien_> Hi ! I got a problem with a sound card...
[11:20] <tatters> could it mean that there is an error in the code and its just an alert?
[11:20] <zeb> is there a software i should download
[11:20] <austin_> help plz?
[11:20] <austin_> guys?
[11:21] <tatters> hmm
[11:21] <bimberi> metalsand: sorry, i'm not sure, breezy would have additional modules built in (i can see a prism2 module)
[11:21] <fissy> celenk, sorry, still no idea :(
[11:21] <flavien_> ASRock motherboard has integrated audio. lspci says "Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 026b (rev a2)". Docs on asRock website suggest Realtek ALC850 chipset
[11:21] <ompaul> zeb, and that tells me the application? tell you what, do this >>> cat > foo << then put some random text on screen for a line or three then do this CTRL+C then type this >>lp foo<< and tell me if you get text
[11:21] <bimberi> metalsand: actually that's a usb module
[11:21] <austin_> some one help me plz!
[11:21] <metalsand> bimberi: I'm in breezy now but I cannot get my PCMCIA wireless device to work correctly, a gooogle search returned this guide
[11:21] <ompaul> !tell austin_ about ask
[11:22] <zeb> what the hell is cat foo
[11:22] <tatters> The Application "nautilus" has quit unexpectedly.
[11:22] <ompaul> austin_, read the comment from the bot
[11:22] <tatters> :/
[11:22] <bimberi> metalsand: i reckon it's worth a try :)
[11:22] <metalsand> bimberi: The drivers that he recommends to download have PCMCIA, usb, ect
[11:22] <tatters> what does that mean?
[11:22] <metalsand> okay. Thanks.
[11:22] <ompaul> zeb, you ask for help, forget it I gave you a set of commands and you ask me "what the hell am I doing" pffft
[11:22] <hypn0> tatters, a crash?
[11:22] <zeb> sorry dude
[11:22] <celenk> fissy, well, what exactly does booting into safe mode do?  I notice no difference?
[11:22] <bimberi> metalsand: note that the kernel numbers have changed (2.6.12 now)
[11:22] <austin_> I want to install a card http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/AirPlus is the guide I am using
[11:22] <zeb> im a noob, i dont understand
[11:22] <bimberi> s/numbers/versions/
[11:23] <ompaul> zeb, and it was """ cat > foo """ the bits between the "
[11:23] <tatters> hmm it say I can report to developers and fill in form but I no idea what caused it
[11:23] <austin_> the first line is using the curl command
[11:23] <austin_> it doesnt work
[11:23] <ompaul> zeb, can you get a terminal on your screen
[11:23] <fissy> celenk, do you still get a gui?
[11:23] <zeb> i dont understand, should i type that into terminal
[11:23] <zeb> OK
[11:23] <zeb> terminal
[11:23] <coleco> Hi, I just installed ubuntu on this computer, For some reason when X starts it just instantley crashes, I have an AMD 64 3000+ with a nVidia 6100 graphics card, 512 mb ram, and a Asus K8N-VM motherboard. I fogret the name of the program that allows you to use the mouse in a terminal otherwise I would paste the error that X is outputing too :/
[11:23] <preative> ompaul. i typed in the set noapic , and it said that it could not find kernal image. what now?
[11:23] <celenk> fissy, yes, I'm in the gnome gui, just like normal
[11:24] <tatters> whats nautilus?
[11:24] <austin_> anyboy?
[11:24] <owner> ubotu tell coleco about nvidia
[11:24] <ompaul> zeb, correct, please do not use enter as a punctuation
[11:24] <fissy> did you get the normal ubuntu boot logo when the OS booted?
[11:24] <Zorlon> Hello everyone!
[11:24] <bimberi> metalsand: also, i would use checkinstall instead of "make install"
[11:24] <bimberi> ubotu tell metalsand about checkinstall
[11:24] <bimberi> tatters: the gnome file manager
[11:24] <ompaul> austin_, give it a shot again, usually errors with that page are typos or wrong drivers
[11:24] <zeb> it says syntax error near unexpected token.
[11:24] <austin_> k
[11:24] <tatters> ubot tell me about nautilus
[11:24] <ompaul> zeb,                       cat > foo
[11:25] <zeb> ok
[11:25] <zeb> that works
[11:25] <Zorlon> Can someone suggest a nice journal program for Ubuntu? (Like a daily journal)
[11:25] <tatters> like windows explorer?
[11:25] <austin_> doesnt work...
[11:25] <ompaul> zeb, please do not do two lines, put the ok that works on one line
[11:25] <bimberi> tatters: yes :)
[11:25] <tatters> k
[11:25] <Jared> Hi can someone help me?
[11:25] <ompaul> zeb, now type some random text
[11:25] <fissy> celenk, it sounds to me like you're not really in recovery mode
[11:25] <Zorlon> Jared: What is the problem?
[11:26] <zeb> now ip>foo
[11:26] <ompaul> zeb, no
[11:26] <zeb> ok
[11:26] <austin_> What should I do now?
[11:26] <Jared> hi. I made a cd under WIndows xp and want to play it under Ubuntu and its not working
[11:26] <preative> yea mine either
[11:26] <fissy> celenk, the single on the recovery mode kernel line makes the os boot up in single user mode ( i thought so anyway), so you wouldn't have a gui
[11:26] <rambo3> "XML Parsing Error: no element found  Location: jar:resource:///chrome/toolkit.jar!/content/mozapps/update/updates.xml " does anyone know how to fix this problem .       i have sun java enbled , and tested several browsers. can it be java or security  thing .
[11:26] <bimberi> tatters: but much better of course :P
[11:26] <Zorlon> Jared: Do you see it mount under ubuntu?
[11:26] <fissy> celenk, or even networking, i thought, though  icould be wrong on that
[11:26] <Jared> no
[11:26] <Jared> it doesnt mount
[11:26] <ompaul> zeb, L P but lower case >>>> lp foo<<<< the text in the middle I use >>> and <<<< to say that a command is in the middle
[11:27] <tatters> hmm stabilty isnt one of ubnutus key points me thinks :?
[11:27] <celenk> fissy, hmm =\  not sure, it prompted me to log into the gui, just like normal, and now I'm using it, with seemingly no difference
[11:27] <ompaul> tatters, funny that I have boxes running it for an age
[11:27] <Zorlon> Jared: Wait one..
[11:27] <Jared> o ok
[11:27] <Jared> ty
[11:27] <KSean> Hey
[11:27] <KSean> I have two broken packages
[11:27] <robotic> what's broken in my installer if I'm not getting the splash screen and the boot: prompt ?
[11:27] <KSean> It won't let me remove them
[11:27] <tatters> yes u might have but here its just crashed twice
[11:28] <ompaul> zeb, did it print?
[11:28] <tatters> I accept its probasbly user error but I havent done that much so far
[11:28] <austin_> so how do I download something from ftp in the terminal?
[11:28] <zeb> nope
[11:28] <zeb> nothing happend
[11:28] <austin_> the curl command obviously didnt work
[11:28] <KSean> wget ftp://ftp.whatever.com/whatever
[11:28] <KSean> ?
[11:28] <Zorlon> Jared: You know how to go to a console?
[11:28] <austin_> ok ill try
[11:28] <Jared> lol yes im not that dumb
[11:28] <Jared> :)
[11:29] <Jared> what should i typin bash
[11:29] <austin_> doesnt work
[11:29] <ompaul> zeb, what kind of printer have you , and please stop hitting enter between lines where your continuing to talk to me, also so I can see lines aimed at me, please use my nick in the text - that way it will highlight for me
[11:29] <Zorlon> Jared: Dumb has nothing to do with it..it is a matter of experience and research :-)
[11:29] <austin_> it says unsupported scheme
[11:29] <ompaul> !enter
[11:29] <ubotu> please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks!
[11:29] <tatters> its pointless me sending an error they want to know too much detail I have no idea of.
[11:29] <jouni__m> KSean check with synaptic which packages are broken.
[11:29] <Zorlon> Jared: Try mounting your cd from the prompt
[11:29] <ompaul> Jared, please see what ubotu said about enter :)
[11:29] <KSean> jouni - it's libnotify0 and libnotify-dev
[11:29] <austin_> somebody?
[11:30] <zeb> ompaul, i have a HP PSC 1210 all in one on USB.
[11:30] <Jared> ompaul i didnt
[11:30] <KSean> it wont let me remove them
[11:30] <KSean> :S
[11:30] <Jared> i used ubuntu for 6 months and this is the first time i put a cd in how do i mount :)
[11:30] <Jared> lol
[11:30] <ompaul> Jared, 2mins ago and just now
[11:30] <preative> Ompaul, my computer said it could not find the kernal image, after i typed in set noapic
[11:30] <tatters> it says here fatal error, but to be honest I feel fine
[11:30] <zeb> ompaul, The printer is showing it is installed on Ubuntu, however, when it prints it all comes out blank, but it is going through the motions like it is printing
[11:31] <fissy> celenk, try rebooting and seeing if it still works, also try windows. if it all still works, go with it i guess
[11:31] <owner> preative type uname -a
[11:31] <fissy> celenk, just beware of kernel updates
[11:31] <bimberi> tatters: lol
[11:31] <Cyorxamp> How can I disable to 'Save Screenshot' dialog box!?!
[11:31] <owner> preative type uname -r
[11:31] <ompaul> preative, there is something else let me find you a set of things to try
[11:31] <tatters> :P
[11:31] <ompaul> zeb, please hang on a minute
[11:31] <zeb> ompaul, ok
[11:31] <DShepherd> Jared, sudo mkdir /mnt/cd && mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cd #try that
[11:31] <Jared> o thanks
[11:31] <preative> uname -r
[11:31] <jouni__m> KSean could you reinstall them?
[11:31] <preative> whats that do?
[11:31] <KSean> wait
[11:32] <KSean> It's letting me remove them now
[11:32] <owner> tells you your kernel version preative
[11:32] <KSean> It just says it will remove some gnome things
[11:32] <MisterN> n8
[11:32] <KSean> I'll just install them again via apt-get
[11:32] <DShepherd> Jared, you may have to put sudo infront of the mount command too
[11:32] <mcdenyer> which alsa stuff do i dl for surround sound?
[11:33] <austin_> ok I will restate my problem. I want to follow the directions at: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/AirPlus and the first command to type into the terminal is curl -O ~ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Wireless/dwlg630_revB/Drivers/dwlg630_driver_200.zip the "cur" command doesnt work. PLEASE HELP!!
[11:33] <preative> owner, where do i type it at?
[11:34] <tatters> I know this is not what u want to hear but my wi fi card had no probs with Ubuntu
[11:34] <ompaul> preative, I am having issues finding offical ubuntu docs on that
[11:34] <austin_> anybody????
[11:34] <bimberi> austin_: sudo apt-get install curl
[11:34] <austin_> kk
[11:34] <tatters> rt2500 chipset no idea who made it , its a genric card
[11:34] <owner> preative in a terminal
[11:34] <preative> the boot screen?
[11:34] <austin_> thx
[11:35] <bimberi> austin_: yw :)
[11:35] <ompaul> owner, can you run with that one, there may be dma stuff and boot options are not in my field of expertise
[11:35] <ompaul> owner, then can you do a factiod so this fool can pity himself by reading about it :)
[11:36] <tatters> this virus requires win 9X or higher in order to run correcctly?  whats that all about?
[11:36] <ccidral> hi all...
[11:36] <mcdenyer> i have ubuntu should i get alsamixergui-gnome or just alsamixergui?
[11:36] <ompaul> zeb, what make of printer is that?
[11:36] <zeb> HP
[11:36] <ccidral> I want the latest version of the Kernel with support for both Pentium 4 and SMP ...
[11:36] <mlehrer> how easy is it to add device modules to an ubuntu kernel?
[11:36] <zeb> ompaul, HP PSC 1210.
[11:37] <timfrost> austin_, try 'curl -O ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Wireless/dwlg630_revB/Drivers/dwlg630_driver_200.zip
[11:37] <timfrost> '
[11:37] <ccidral> is there a way to upgrade the kernel from the web without having to compile it myself?
[11:38] <theine> ccidral, chances are you will have to compile it. Why do you need the latest version so badly?
[11:38] <tatters> what I dont understand is Y do the ppl that make snort, not make something like acidlab to manage it?
[11:38] <ccidral> I mean the latest 'official' version provided by Ubuntu community
[11:38] <theine> ccidral, oh...
[11:39] <theine> ccidral, you should automatically get it when you update your system
[11:39] <ccidral> that is, 2.6.12-10
[11:39] <theine> ccidral, one second...
[11:39] <ccidral> theine: but I would like to have support for Pentium 4 and SMP
[11:39] <KSean> Hey, where do I change what programs load when I login to ubuntu?
[11:40] <theine> ccidral, sudo apt-get install linux-686-smp
[11:40] <ccidral> nice. let me try
[11:41] <stuart_> how are you all
[11:41] <theine> fabulous
[11:41] <stuart_> glad to here that
[11:41] <ccidral> oh yeah, it's simply upgrading :) very nice
[11:42] <ccidral> thanks, theine
[11:42] <ompaul> zeb, if you have done the menu part, are you using Open office to try and type and print?
[11:42] <zeb> yeah, ive done that
[11:42] <theine> ccidral, you're welcome
[11:42] <zeb> it all prints up the same
[11:42] <zeb> blank
[11:43] <jouni__m> zeb no more ink? which driver you have?
[11:43] <zeb> oh theres in
[11:43] <zeb> ompaul, there is in
[11:43] <ompaul> zeb, stop please, you are confusing me
[11:43] <zeb> ompaul, there is ink
[11:44] <zeb> ompaul, sorry
[11:44] <zeb> ompaul, the driver im using is one i downloaded from HP
[11:44] <ompaul> zeb, stop please
[11:44] <ifwui45> hey guys... is there a way to make it not load the services at startup, the ones I dont need? Like the RAID drivers...
[11:44] <zeb> stop what
[11:44] <ccidral> theine: where have you found it out?
[11:45] <theine> ccidral, I did "apt-cache search linux | grep 686 | grep smp"...
[11:45] <zeb> ompaul, thanx for your help, but im going back to windows. ive had about enough linux for my lifetime
[11:45] <ompaul> zeb, stop typing,  please answer the question you are being asked.  Are all these blank pages coming from Open office
[11:45] <ccidral> hmmm, ok
[11:45] <QMario> How do I manually set my computer's IP Address in the terminal?
[11:45] <ompaul> enjoy it
[11:45] <zoneallarm> ciao a tutti
[11:46] <ompaul> preative, good news I hope
[11:46] <theine> ccidral, but I actually knew that such a kernel version is available. can't remember when I first heard about it though...
[11:46] <preative> no good news
[11:46] <La_PaRCa> Hey kids!
[11:46] <preative> i cannot figure it out
[11:47] <preative> i just keeps says no kernal image
[11:47] <theine> preative, what are you trying to do?
[11:47] <preative> i tried uname -r it said no kernal image too
[11:47] <preative> theine, my computer just keeps restarting when i hit enter, instead of booting ubuntu
[11:48] <Hanowar> Hola!!! "alguien habla espaol"????
[11:48] <theine> preative, are you sure that a kernel is actiually installed?
[11:48] <jclinton> is there a DVD creation program for ubuntu?
[11:48] <preative> no
[11:48] <thenuke> Hanowar: hola! :O Que tqal?
[11:48] <preative> i am not sure
[11:48] <preative> i do not kow how to check
[11:49] <jclinton> i would like to take my home movies to DVD
[11:49] <theine> preative, can you get access to the linux partitions via a live CD?
[11:49] <ompaul> theine, this is for a Live CD
[11:49] <Hanowar> thenuke, Muy bien, amigo tengo un problema con el Mouse, no se mueve, no se si es por que tengo el Mouse puerto Serial. o que. Soy novato en Ubuntu. mejor dicho en Linux, aunque he instalado el Knoppix y Funciona. Asi que no entiendo la verdad.
[11:49] <theine> ompaul, a custom one?
[11:50] <xbox_sky> O.o
[11:50] <thenuke> Hanowar: ooops, I
[11:50] <ccidral> theine: I knew that Debian had such a version in its online package list, but I have not found an online package list at Ubuntu web site.
[11:50] <xbox_sky> !ubuntu tell hanowar about spanish
[11:50] <ubotu> xbox_sky: Wish i knew
[11:50] <preative> i downloaded from internet and burned to cd
[11:50] <xbox_sky> hmm
[11:50] <theine> ccidral, http://packages.ubuntu.com
[11:50] <xbox_sky> hanowar I'm pretty sure there's a spanish room for you
[11:50] <ompaul> dono, I think it is a ubuntu live cd breezy, preative can you confirm you are using a Breeezy live CD?
[11:50] <ompaul> !es
[11:50] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[11:50] <xbox_sky> try #ubuntu.es
[11:50] <thenuke> Hanowar: ooops, I'm really sorry, I know only few words of spanish =)
[11:50] <trappist> it's #ubuntu-es
[11:50] <Hanowar> Okz
[11:50] <xbox_sky> there you go
[11:50] <xbox_sky> #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es,
[11:51] <theine> preative, so you are using the live CD right now?
[11:51] <Hanowar> thanks
[11:51] <preative> no i am back in windows
[11:51] <ves> Anybody got any good openoffice repositories? "Package openoffice.org2-thesaurus-en-gb is not available, but is referred to by another package." :/
[11:51] <preative> i have been trying to get the live cd to boot
[11:51] <vinilodj> buenas, tengo un problema, creo que las fuentes qyue utiliza muy ubuntu me hacen dao a la vista
[11:51] <vinilodj> es algo raro
[11:51] <theine> preative, I'd strongly recommend to use the live CD if possible
[11:51] <vinilodj> como puedo mejorarlo
[11:51] <fissy> nn all
[11:51] <ccidral> theine: thanks ... packages.debian.org ... it should be pretty predictable huh? :)
[11:51] <ompaul> !es
[11:51] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[11:51] <ompaul> !pr
[11:51] <ubotu> No idea, ompaul
[11:51] <QMario> !Static
[11:51] <ubotu> QMario: I don't know, could you explain it?
[11:52] <lightbright> what would cause a modem to hang up every 30 mins or so?
[11:52] <ompaul> !br
[11:52] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigado.
[11:52] <theine> preative, makes troubleshooting a lot easier...
[11:52] <vinilodj> alguien puede ayudarme?
[11:52] <theine> ccidral, :)
[11:52] <ompaul> it?
[11:52] <QMario> Ompaul, how do I manually set my computer's IP Address in the terminal?
[11:52] <ompaul> QMario, ifconfig
[11:52] <QMario> Ompaul, are you surprised to hear from me?
[11:52] <ompaul> QMario, we have not had you here for a while that was all
[11:52] <lightbright> ompaul: any ideas?
[11:53] <QMario> I haven't heard from you in a while...
[11:53] <ompaul> lightbright, timeout
[11:53] <ccidral> theine: apt-cache search is more straightforeward
[11:53] <cratel1> how can I get 3d accel. to work with a VIA graphics card on Breezy? This is very important for me....
[11:53] <lightbright> ompaul: what is the solution please?
[11:53] <preative> so, do you know what to do theine?
[11:53] <theine> ccidral, but very verbose sometimes...
[11:53] <lightbright> cratel1: how important is that for you? :)
[11:53] <cratel1> Is there a way I can see the default config file from Breezy when recompiling the kernel?
[11:53] <TomBee> how do I find out the total size of a folder from the terminal?
[11:53] <ccidral> yeah
[11:53] <cratel1> lightbright: we are doing a VJ performance. It's not for games is my point.
[11:54] <ompaul> lightbright, well in the olde days I choose to run this command line >> ping -i 27 www.myprovider.ie << and it used to keep it going
[11:54] <theine> preative, not sure, but it'll certainly be easier to help you when you can access your linux partitions
[11:54] <trappist> cratel1: look in /boot
[11:54] <preative> do you know how i can check to see if i have the kernal for it?
[11:54] <lightbright> ompaul: and in the last 3 days, never happened before, all of a sudden programs are closing by themselves!  eg firefox closes sometimes by itself!  Is this a RAM error?
[11:54] <theine> ccidral, also, http://packages.ubuntu.com offers you to search the contents of packages which is really useful imho
[11:55] <preative> because it sayd that  it cannot find the kernal image
[11:55] <ccidral> theine: I'll check it
[11:55] <cratel1> trappist: I don't see a config file there that will help me recompile the kernel...
[11:55] <theine> preative, yes, you can check that with a live CD
[11:56] <preative> before i get it to work i can check it or after?
[11:56] <trappist> cratel1: it would be named config-$(uname -r).  you would copy it to your kernel source tree as .config and say `make oldconfig`
[11:56] <lightbright> ompaul: all of a sudden programs are closing by themselves!  eg firefox closes sometimes by itself!  Is this a RAM error or Ubuntu error?
[11:56] <ompaul> lightbright, to test ram, press escape and choose memtest go for a lonnnnng walk or something maybe even overnight and check in morning - if faulty ram it will show up
[11:56] <jepler> Hi.  A friend and I are trying to build a modified kernel based on the ubuntu kernel, using build-kpkg.  The kernel deb we get doesn't include firmware, such as ipw-2.3-boot.fw.  Can someone point me at the documentation I need to read to get the kernel I build to include this file?  is build-kpkg the wrong thing to use?
[11:56] <theine> preative, that you have to decide on your own I guess
[11:56] <lightbright> ompaul: ok and it ram is clear?
[11:56] <lightbright> ompaul: and if ram is clear? what then?
[11:56] <rambo3> sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0777, should be 0440, help ? does reinstall only work here
[11:56] <BrickMaker> Kubuntu cd is free?
[11:56] <ompaul> lightbright, a reasonable amount of time between asking questions is considered to be 10/20 minutes
[11:56] <lightbright> BrickMaker: donations
[11:56] <theine> preative, sorry, misread your sentence... you can check that before
[11:57] <lightbright> ompaul: according to whom?
[11:57] <ompaul> lightbright, yuou have managed to get put on /ignore
[11:57] <lightbright> ompaul: who set the 10/20 minutes rule between asking questions?
[11:57] <BrickMaker> lightbright, i'm downloading Kubuntu i hope they ship kubuntu as well for free
[11:57] <lightbright> ompaul: no need to be nasty
[11:57] <BrickMaker> isn't it?
[11:57] <lightbright> BrickMaker: yeah
[11:58] <lightbright> BrickMaker: chose it from website
[11:58] <jouni__m> cratel1 cp /boot/config-2.6.12-something /usr/src/linux/.config and then load an alternative configuration. right idea?
[11:58] <lightbright> ompaul: but tell me, who set the 10/20 minutes rule between asking questions?  YOU set it?  are you channel founder and OP?
[11:58] <pc3> hellow
[11:58] <preative> well i dont know... this is the first time i have tried any kind of linux, or livecd. i downloaded, burnt to cd, restarted comp and compaqe screen come on, then the ubunto boot screen, i hit enter it restarts and goes back to ubuntu, i try to check settings and it says no kernal found
[11:58] <cratel1> trappist: beautiful! I see it! So can I load that into, say gconfig and tweak it then recompile and I am golden?
[11:58] <BrickMaker> lightbright, what do you think which one is better?
[11:58] <BrickMaker> Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[11:59] <trappist> cratel1: never heard of gconfig, but if it's anything like 'make xconfig' then yes
[11:59] <lightbright> BrickMaker: i use Ubuntu, as any developer will tell you, gnome is more solid and stable than KDE
[11:59] <keherman> anyone seen this error on bootup --> "device not accepting address XX, error -71" ???
[11:59] <lightbright> BrickMaker: why use 2nd best, why not use the best, get Ubuntu :)
[11:59] <lightbright> hondje: hello
[11:59] <Zorlon> lightbright: Actually in almost all irc channels it is considered correct behaviour to wait 10 or 20 minutes between asking questions...
[11:59] <hondje> Hi
[11:59] <lightbright> hondje:  all of a sudden programs are closing by themselves!  eg firefox closes sometimes by itself!  Is this a RAM error or Ubuntu error?
[12:00] <lightbright> Zorlon: according to what OP?
[12:00] <BrickMaker> lightbright, yeah my friend told me same thing as you said, but what if i like Kubuntu