[01:35] <sabdfl> night all
[01:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62886 in rosetta "percent+space considered format string" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62886
[02:01] <mpt_> Gooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[02:32] <sistpoty> hi folks, can anybody help me with a bzr/lp problem?
[02:33] <jamesh> if you ask your question, they might :)
[02:34] <sistpoty> i just tried to commit to revu2, but bzr push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>says it's not a branch (pull/checkout either)
[02:34] <sistpoty> however<EMAIL_ADDRESS>works
[02:34] <sistpoty> and then there is this error msg at https://launchpad.net/people/revu-hackers/+branch/revu/revu2-trunk
[02:35] <jamesh> please don't push branches into subdirs like that.  They won't ever get mirrored
[02:35] <sistpoty> sorry, for not being more precise, I'm still not really used to bzr :/
[02:35] <jamesh> sistpoty: it sounds like you probably interrupted an upload the first time
[02:36] <sistpoty> jamesh: eeks... sorry, how can I fix this?
[02:37] <jamesh> sistpoty: here is what you can do: log in with a standard sftp client, and remove the files in the branch dir (/~revu-hackers/revu/revu2-trunk)
[02:37] <jamesh> (you were the one to create this branch, right?)
[02:37] <sistpoty> jamesh: siretart did, but I'll try if I can delete that stuff
[02:38] <jamesh> "lftp" might be easier to use here than "sftp" because it can do recursive deletes
[02:38] <sistpoty> jamesh: ok, thanks
[02:38] <jamesh> Now, we want to create an empty branch in that directory.
[02:39] <jamesh> The easiest way to do this would be to create an empty branch locally and upload it
[02:39] <sistpoty> jamesh: still deleting... give me sec plz ;)
[02:40] <sistpoty> jamesh: ok
[02:40] <jamesh> so do "bzr init somedir" to create an empty branch in somedir/
[02:40] <jamesh> then copy the files from somedir/.bzr to sftp://.../~revu-hackers/revu/revu2-trunk/.bzr
[02:43] <jamesh> you can skip the .bzr/checkout directory though -- it is not needed in the remote branch
[02:43] <jamesh> (I think lftp will let you do a recursive put, so it is probably best to use it again)
[02:47] <sistpoty> ok, seems like it can't do recursive puts :/
[02:48] <jamesh> sistpoty: sounds like you want "mirror -R $LOCAL $REMOTE"
[02:48] <jamesh> looking at the docs
[02:48] <sistpoty> oh, I just do it by hand :)
[02:49] <jamesh> anyway, the outcome of this will be that you'll have a bzr branch at the remote location that you can push to
[02:51] <sistpoty> jamesh: ok, thanks very much for your help, I hope I'll get it right now :)
[02:52] <jamesh> sistpoty: you can check that it worked by running "bzr info<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:52] <jamesh> that should tell you that it is a branch, and that it has zero revisions
[02:52] <jamesh> then try pushing to the location
[02:52] <sistpoty> jamesh: ok, will try that
[02:53] <sistpoty> yay, yafc can do sftp :)
[02:56] <jamesh> sistpoty: okay.  Now that the directory contains a valid bzr branch, it will get published correctly.
[02:56] <sistpoty> jamesh: ok... then I can just push to that location?
[02:56] <jamesh> yep
[02:58] <Fujitsu> LP should mirror branches to HTTP every 30 minutes, right?
[02:59] <jamesh> Fujitsu: yeah.
[02:59] <sistpoty> hm... I'm still doing s.th. wrong: bzr: ERROR: No such file: u'/~revu-hackers/revu/revu2-trunk/.bzr/repository/knits/72/'
[03:00] <jamesh> It should be able to create those directories
[03:00] <jamesh> does /~revu-hackers/revu/revu2-trunk/.bzr/repository/knits exist?
[03:01] <sistpoty> jamesh: no...
[03:02] <jamesh> sistpoty: maybe you didn't copy all the files from the local branch
[03:02] <sistpoty> grml... yafc skipped empty directories :(
[03:02] <ajmitch> sistpoty: hm, it was either siretart or possibly myself who broke the initial push
[03:02] <ajmitch> I know I had problems with it at one point due to the conversion from svn
[03:03] <sistpoty> ajmitch: ah, k
[03:04] <jamesh> lifeless: would it be possible to get the bzr-0.11-support branches committed to rocketfuel today?
[03:04] <jamesh> lifeless: it'll need a simultaneous update to bzr, cscvs and launchpad
[03:07] <sistpoty> yeeehaa! seems to have worked :)
[03:07] <sistpoty> jamesh: thanks again very much for handholding :)
[03:09] <jamesh> sistpoty: okay.  It should be published via http in ~ 25-30 minutes
[03:38] <jamesh> sistpoty: looks like it is all up and published now: https://launchpad.net/people/revu-hackers/+branch/revu/revu2-trunk
[03:38] <sistpoty> jamesh: just saw it :)
[03:38] <ajmitch> thanks for that :)
[03:38] <sistpoty> yay, big thanks again
[04:12] <Fujitsu> Is there any sane, machine-parsable way to get information (name, group memberships, email addresses) about a user?
[04:13] <Fujitsu> I know there's +rdf to get GPG keys, but is there anything else?
[04:13] <mpt> Not as far as I know, Fujitsu
[04:14] <mpt> I suggest either reporting a bug, or mailing launchpad-users@, describing what you want to use the data for
[04:14] <mpt> and what sort of format would suit you
[04:14] <Fujitsu> Also, is there a way to translate an email address to a username other than using the search form at /people?
[04:27] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[04:53] <lifeless> jamesh: probably. I'll see what I can do
[04:54] <jamesh> so Lenovo will send me a non-exploding battery in 5 weeks
[04:56] <lifeless> lol
[05:52] <jamesh> I'm pretty sure it isn't a coincidence that we get a long weekend for the grand finals
[06:04] <realist> Not everyone has a long weekend...
[06:05] <jamesh> nsw and wa do, at least
[06:05] <jamesh> labour day and queen's birthday respectively
[06:38] <jml> tas has to wait til October :\
[07:53] <SteveA> morning
[08:18] <stub> Morning
[09:36] <SteveA> jamesh: what a coincidence that the Queen was born on Labour day
[09:36] <SteveA> considering that birth involves the process known as "labour"
[09:39] <Fujitsu> Er, the queen was born on April 21...
[09:42] <SteveA> if the queen's birthday can be celebrated on a day that isn't her birthday, then her labour can be celebrated on a different day too ;-)
[09:54] <carlos> morning
[09:54] <SteveA> hi carlos
[09:59] <shawarma> I'm mighty confused.. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/62862   <- It says it's a bug in network-manager, Keybuk writes something about upstart, but the activity log says the reporter reported it on gparted..
[09:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62862 in network-manager "Atheros w-lan card doesn`t work on edgy live!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[10:00] <Ng> shawarma: that's a dupe of another bug...
[10:00] <shawarma> How does that explain anything?
[10:00] <Ng> bug 60938
[10:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60938 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 "ath_hal missing from modules.dep" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60938
[10:01] <Ng> it's a bug in the livecd, it doesn't have a complete depmod output
[10:01] <shawarma> I don't really care much about the actual bug. I'm just totally puzzled by the info available on LP about it.
[10:01] <Ng> confusion, one would assume :)
[10:02] <Keybuk> shawarma: someone assigned it to upstart
[10:02] <shawarma> Ng: The activity log says it was reported on gparted, Keybuk adds a comment about startup, but the bug now seems to be attached to network-manager.
[10:02] <shawarma> Keybuk: Doesn't that usually show up in the activity log?
[10:02] <Keybuk> shawarma: yeah, the event is the 21;22 one
[10:02] <Keybuk> he changed it *from* gparted to upstart, but for some reason the Old value and New value columns are blank
[10:03] <Keybuk> err, sorry
[10:03] <Keybuk> I mean he changed it from upstart to gparted
[10:03] <Keybuk> no, maybe I don't
[10:03] <shawarma> LOL!
[10:03] <Keybuk> ** Affects: upstart (Ubuntu)
[10:03] <Keybuk>      Importance: Undecided
[10:03] <Keybuk>          Status: Unconfirmed
[10:03] <Keybuk> ** Changed in: gparted (Ubuntu)
[10:03] <Keybuk> Sourcepackagename: gparted => upstart
[10:03] <Keybuk> that's the LP e-mail I got
[10:03] <Ng> shawarma: hmm, well I have no idea about that, but thanks anyway for mentioning it since it's a bug I care about :)
[10:04] <shawarma> Keybuk: Perhaps there's a delay in the activity log to allow for comments to be added or something?
[10:04] <Keybuk> shawarma: LP bug, more likely <g>
[10:05] <shawarma> Keybuk: Probably. I'll file a bug.
[10:06] <BjornT> shawarma, Keybuk: yeah, that's a known bug. (bug 41063)
[10:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41063 in malone "Mail notification of bug creation includes things that haven't happened yet" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41063
[10:07] <BjornT> i think there's also a bug open on package re-assignments not showing up in the activity log
[10:07] <realist> Time travel?
[10:09] <shawarma> BjornT: There's several of them, it appears.
[10:12] <shawarma> BjornT: Oh, my mistake.
[10:17] <jamesh> sabdfl: sounds like your laptop might have a potentially exploding battery
[10:17] <sabdfl> apparently. i like to live on the edgy, y'see
[10:18] <jamesh> they're sending me a replacement in 5 weeks
[10:18] <sabdfl> was it easy to organise?
[10:19] <jamesh> just rang the number on the website, went through a voice menu (just two prompts) and gave them the machine and battery details
[10:28] <realist> dell, or apple?
[10:28] <danilos> lenovo
[10:28] <danilos> ;)
[10:29] <jamesh> yeah.    The matsushitas they come with have region coding built into the hardware.
[10:47] <SteveA> I think I'll be buying an external DVD for my mac mini
[10:48] <carlos> SteveA: I though all drivers include it
[10:48] <carlos> letting you to change it 4-5 times
[10:49] <SteveA> yes
[10:49] <SteveA> I a few DVDs from three different regions
[10:50] <SteveA> oh, and they don't play DVDs encoded for two regions at once at all :-/
[10:50] <SteveA> which is common in e. europe
[10:50] <jamesh> SteveA: you can't get a hacked firmware?
[10:50] <SteveA> no
[10:50] <SteveA> doesn't exist
[10:50] <SteveA> and is unlikely to
[10:51] <SteveA> because matsushita have put the region coding stuff on a different chip, apparently
[10:51] <jamesh> there are some hacked firmwares that move the location of the region change counter from flash to ram
[10:51] <jamesh> so each time you put the machine to sleep or turn it off, the counter resets
[10:51] <SteveA> so it isn't updatable unless you arm yourself with a fine nose soldering iron
[11:05] <realist> SteveA: I may have to test the macbook on our desk at work.
[11:05] <realist> s/our/my/
[11:20] <carlos> will be back in 30 minutes
[11:38] <SteveA> spiv: ping
[01:49] <tfheen> is it a known (and filed) bug that sorting on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-6.10 seems to be.. odd?  Clicking "status" seems to sort by importance, assignee sorts by bug name, importance by bug nr, while report sorts by bug nr?
[01:57] <BjornT> tfheen: yeah, i saw a bug filed about that not long ago.
[01:58] <BjornT> tfheen: bug 62495
[01:58] <tfheen> BjornT: any idea about the bug # and ETA?  It's quite painful when I need to look at the list of unfixed bugs for a milestone
[01:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62495 in malone "Milestone bug list doesn't sort properly" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62495
[01:58] <tfheen> oh, thanks
[01:59] <BjornT> tfheen: i'll take a look at it today to see how hard it is to fix.
[02:00] <tfheen> excellent, thanks.
[02:00] <tfheen> I'll add a comment to the bug too
[02:11] <jamesh> tfheen: just click on the column header two to the right of the column you want to sort on
[02:11] <tfheen> jamesh: not enough columns.
[02:11] <tfheen> I want to sort by status
[02:15] <jamesh> tfheen: okay.  In the meen time, try using https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs?advanced=1 and select the milestone you want to limit the search to
[02:15] <jamesh> e.g. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=status&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&field.status%3Alist=Rejected&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Released&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.owner=&field.milestone%3Alist=146&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.status_upstream=&field.sta
[02:15] <jamesh> tus_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.tag=&field.has_no_package.used=&search=Search
[02:16] <tfheen> jamesh: yeah, I guess that's a workaround.
[02:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62965 in launchpad-bazaar "https://launchpad.net/bazaar/+all-branches should be batched" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62965
[03:12] <salgado> spiv, around?
[03:19] <carlos> danilos: around?
[03:19] <danilos> carlos: yes
[03:19] <carlos> could we have a fast meeting about 1.0 goals?
[03:19] <shawarma> win 1
[03:19] <shawarma> doh...
[03:20] <danilos> carlos: sure
[03:25] <flacoste> salgado: ping
[03:25] <salgado> flacoste, pong
[03:26] <flacoste> salgado: just another conflict warning for your localized-support-request implementation: i refactored the notification mechanism for tickets
[03:26] <flacoste> salgado: hopefully, it will make it easier to implement what you need
[03:28] <salgado> flacoste, cool.   unfortunately, it's looking like that spec will need to be discussed a bit before I can move on. and I guess independently of the outcome of the discussion, I'll have quite some work to do on things not directly related to the support tracker
[03:28] <salgado> the good thing is that we're less likely to conflict
[03:29] <flacoste> salgado: ok, fine
[03:30] <pecisk> anyone here could say me where I should talk/disscuss about translation template files in Launchpad?
[03:30] <flacoste> salgado: do should we apply for an exception for that spec? i did yesterday for support-tracker-views, i think i might miss the oct 12th deadline by a bit
[03:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62976 in soyuz "duplicate package/version allowed in unapproved queue" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62976
[03:31] <salgado> flacoste, yeah, I'm considering that. I'll just wait until monday to see how the discussion goes
[03:31] <salgado> I mean, I think an exception will be necessary; I just want to be sure
[03:33] <BjornT> pecisk: you should talk to jordi, carlos or danilos
[03:33] <pecisk> carlos: I wanted to know how pot files get created? Simply in Edgy when I merge nautilus.pot file from it with GNOME 2.16 release nautilus.po, I get lot of string wrong in GUI in the end
[03:34] <pecisk> BjornT: thanks for info
[03:34] <carlos> pecisk: the .pot files are generated when a .deb package is built
[03:34] <carlos> usually, using intltool-update -P
[03:35] <carlos> could you show me an example of the problem you get?
[03:35] <pecisk> Yeah
[03:36] <pecisk> carlos: it is rather simply. Nautilus provides "Computer" for GNOME panel menu and desktop, but in my language instead of that I get translation of "Countertop"
[03:36] <pecisk> it happens when I merge pot file with GNOME 2.16 release po from my language
[03:37] <pecisk> when I compile "clean" po file from GNOME and put it into /usr/share/locale-langpack/lv/LC_MESSAGES, everything is ok
[03:37] <pecisk> I am tempted to upload GNOME po file instead of merging with pot file from Launchpad, but I am not sure it won't cause any other problems
[03:38] <danilos> pecisk: someone must have submitted wrong translation using Rosetta, can you give a pointer to language and string in question?
[03:38] <carlos> pecisk: but, did you check that the .po file from Ubuntu has the right translation?
[03:39] <pecisk> carlos, I did, it has
[03:39] <carlos> then, I don't see the error...
[03:39] <carlos> how do you merge the .po file with the .pot file?
[03:40] <pecisk> carlos: and it doesn't even matter, because I merged GNOME po from official sources with pot file from Ubuntu. Before that, in official po file everything was in right place. After merge, final po has several places where Computer was replaced with Countrertop
[03:41] <carlos> I'm a bit lose
[03:41] <carlos> could you show me the commands you used?
[03:42] <pecisk> msgmerge nautilus.gnome-2.16.lv.po nautilus.pot -o nautilus-final.po
[03:42] <danilos> pecisk: do they also have the "#, fuzzy" comments next to them?
[03:43] <pecisk> danilos: no, that was why they appeared in GUI
[03:44] <carlos> pecisk: if the lv.po file has the right translation for the "Computer" string
[03:44] <pecisk> it has
[03:44] <carlos> pecisk: and the .pot file has a msgid with "Computer"
[03:44] <carlos> the output of the merge should have the right translation too
[03:44] <carlos> otherwise, msgmerge is not working as it should
[03:48] <carlos> pecisk: could you confirm this?
[03:49] <pecisk> lv.po has "Computer" right, and pot has "Computer" too, but in the end there is different term
[03:49] <pecisk> however, in comments, there is slight differences to references to C files
[03:50] <danilos> pecisk: hum, I just retried this and everything worked fine for me
[03:50] <carlos> pecisk: the new .po file should have the references in the .pot file
[03:50] <danilos> pecisk: I took http://l10n-status.gnome.org/gnome-2.16/PO/nautilus.HEAD.lv.po as the lv.po file
[03:50] <carlos> so that's normal
[03:50] <pecisk> hmmmmm
[03:51] <carlos> about the translation being different... that smells like a but in msgmerge
[03:51] <carlos> but that's weird....
[03:51] <danilos> pecisk: "Computer" in merged file is translated as "Dators"
[03:51] <danilos> pecisk: so, what version of msgmerge do you have?
[03:51] <pecisk> danilos: maybe then I merge wrong?
[03:51] <danilos> pecisk: no, I used exactly the same command
[03:51] <pecisk> pecisk@pecisk-desktop:~$ msgmerge -V
[03:51] <pecisk> msgmerge (GNU gettext-tools) 0.14.6
[03:51] <danilos> (apart from filenames)
[03:52] <danilos> that shouldn't be a problem, though I have 0.14.5
[03:52] <ddaa> "Most pages in Launchpad should have fourteen sections" duh?
[03:53] <carlos> pecisk: anyway, if you want, you can upload the .po file into Rosetta and Rosetta will handle the merge
[03:53] <pecisk> danilos: I will check again all my steps
[03:53] <pecisk> carlos: ooh, that's what I wanted to hear
[03:54] <danilos> pecisk: yeah, but I've never seen something like that happen
[03:54] <carlos> pecisk: we do the merge with the template with every import
[03:55] <carlos> automatically
[03:55] <carlos> pecisk: anyway, you should report that problem with msgmerge
[03:55] <pecisk> everything is fine, very sorry for bothering you guys
[03:55] <carlos> are you using a package version of it or your own version?
[03:55] <pecisk> found what was cause
[03:56] <pecisk> corrupt po file
[03:56] <carlos> I see
[03:56] <pecisk> damn, never trust third parties :)
[03:56] <danilos> well, parties are for fun :)
[03:57] <pecisk> and doin crazy things
[03:57] <pecisk> I know
[03:57] <pecisk> thanks anyway for help
[03:57] <pecisk> have a nice weekend :)
[03:58] <carlos> pecisk: same for you!
[05:12] <rraphink> hi
[05:12] <rraphink> is there an easy way to request an import from Debian?
[05:13] <kiko> rraphink, I think the process is file a bug
[05:13] <kiko> rraphink, ask on #ubuntu-devel
[05:13] <rraphink> ok
[05:13] <rraphink> I thought taht was the way
[05:13] <rraphink> but then file a bug on which package? :s
[05:14] <kiko> I'm not sure -- ask there
[05:14] <salgado> rraphink, I think you file the bug on the package you want to sync and assign a special team to the bug
[05:15] <salgado> rraphink, yeah, assign the https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-archive team to the bug
[05:15] <rraphink> salgado: the package doesn't exist in Ubuntu yet
[05:15] <rraphink> oh yes that's what I did last time
[05:15] <rraphink> just filed a bug in ubuntu without assigning a package
[05:15] <rraphink> and added ubuntu-archive
[05:15] <kiko> right
[05:15] <rraphink> thanks
[05:15] <rraphink> :)
[05:16] <salgado> np. :)
[05:28] <sfllaw> Does anyone here manage cricket?
[05:29] <salgado> sfllaw, stub
[05:30] <sfllaw> salgado: Thanks.
[05:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63000 in malone "Need a way to protect milestone and importance differently from the rest of IBugTask" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63000
[05:51] <ddaa> I'm thinking that launchpad bug numbers are bound to become unwieldly
[05:52] <ddaa> if adoption takes off, they can get into the 7 digits realm
[05:52] <ddaa> 5 digits is already annoying enough (hard to remember, high potential for typos)
[05:53] <carlos> ddaa: copy & paste is the key! :-D
[05:53] <ddaa> it's a workaround
[05:54] <ddaa> if we wanted people to copy-paste, we'd be using a uuid or something like that
[05:55] <mdke> matthewrevell: around?
[05:55] <matthewrevell> mdke: hello, yes
[06:02] <carlos> mdke: hi
[06:02] <mdke> carlos: hiya. all well?
[06:02] <carlos> mdke: yeah, we imported all documentation from *ubuntu-docs
[06:03] <mdke> from the packages in the archive right?
[06:03] <carlos> mdke: Could you include .po files for those packages inside the source packages?
[06:03] <carlos> mdke: right
[06:04] <carlos> that way our users will know the amount of strings that you already include in the repository
[06:04] <carlos> mdke: In fact, I don't understand how's that you don't do the .po -> .xml conversion on build time (I think you don't do that, I didn't look at the source)
[06:05] <mdke> heh, danilo can tell you that
[06:05] <mdke> the xml needs a lot of manual correction after conversion
[06:05] <mdke> including the po's is no problem, sure
[06:06] <mdke> I'll write it down so I don't forget - I just got back from vacation and will be fairly busy catching up
[06:06] <danilos> mdke: well, we can extend ubuntu mode to do any correction we want
[06:07] <danilos> mdke: though, for that part, talk with danilo, the free software guy (he is usually around on weekends ;))
[06:07] <mdke> haha. Ok
[06:08] <mdke> the error corrections are generally quite random typos though, or people translating tags
[06:08] <carlos> ;-)
[06:08] <carlos> ok
[06:08] <danilos> ah, that... right :)
[06:08] <danilos> we can add xml-format checking to rosetta even if msgfmt doesn't have that, anyway
[06:09] <carlos> mdke: well, I think including the .po files would be enough, the build part is just a suggestion to reduce the amount of work needed
[06:09] <danilos> though, bruno haible was interested in adding that to msgfmt, it just needs someone working on it ;)
[06:09] <danilos> bruno haible == gettext maintainer :)
[06:09] <carlos> I would prefer msgfmt fix
[06:10] <carlos> danilos: if you think you can do that, ask steve/kiko to see if we can do it as part of our tasks
[06:10] <mdke> ok, I'm off, my mailing list backlog is so scary I need to turn off the computer
[06:10] <danilos> carlos: sure, so fixing this on rosetta level might involve writing some gettext C code, and I am completely fine with that myself :)
[06:10] <danilos> mdke: welcome back :)
[06:10] <mdke> thanks, catch you soon
[06:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63009 in launchpad "Update oops-tools to not show google cached site as referred from local sites." [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63009
[06:10] <danilos> carlos: right, but this is really not a priority right now
[06:11] <carlos> hmm, well, it wouldn't be msgfmt, but a xml-format or something like that
[06:11] <carlos> otherwise Rosetta will not be able to use it
[06:11] <carlos> right
[06:11] <carlos> not a high priority
[06:12] <salgado> malcc, just mailed you a review of deathrow-fix
[06:12] <malcc> salgado: Thanks
[06:13] <salgado> carlos, I should have CCed you on my las email (subject: LocalizedSupportRequests) to launchpad but I forgot. it'd be nice if you could have a look and see if the plan I'm proposing there looks sane
[06:14] <malcc> salgado: I'll do all that. The reason for the 35 vs. 0 is, when I filed the bug I assumed no underlying API was doing anything with a size when a symlink was deleted; when I did the implementation I found that it was just a broken chain of return values, and once it was complete the symlinks returned accurate sizes. Of course their real size isn't zero, I was just planning to approximate :)
[06:14] <carlos> salgado: I saw it
[06:14] <carlos> salgado: and at first sight, I think it's ok
[06:15] <salgado> malcc, ah, I see. you have r=salgado with these changes then. :)
[06:15] <malcc> salgado: Thanks :)
[06:16] <salgado> carlos, cool. thank you!
[06:27] <jordi> danilos: wow man
[06:27] <jordi> danilos: it's been difficult to meet you with the non-stop meetings I've been having and your connection woes
[06:27] <jordi> danilos: will you be around on Sunday? :P
[06:28] <danilos> jordi: actually, I will :)
[06:28] <jordi> danilos: that's good
[06:29] <danilos> jordi: and Sunday is as good for this as any other day :)
[06:29] <jordi> I nheed to go to Sitges to finish the flat emptying, but could be around on Sun
[06:29] <jordi> soon that house will be no more :(
[06:30] <danilos> oh, you still haven't sold it? or just haven't turned the keys over yet?
[06:30] <jordi> no, we're still giving away furniture and stuff
[06:30] <danilos> yeah, it's a really nice and huge place :(
[06:30] <danilos> and the beach in Sitges is crazy! ;)
[06:30] <jordi> it's mostly empty now. what remains is stuff nobody wants.
[06:30] <jordi> *totally*
[06:31] <jordi> wait, you mean the one near the church?
[06:31] <jordi> not the GAY NUDE BEACH?
[06:31] <jordi> :P
[06:31] <jordi> wow, I think I never posted the post-guadec blog entry.
[06:32] <jordi> That had pics of the ay zone
[06:32] <jordi> totally great for the planets
[06:32] <danilos> heh
[06:32] <jordi> of course I also have a pic or two of the other beach
[06:33] <danilos> yeah, I didn't either... and I should upload my photos, I have a bunch of photos of you modelling, for example ;)
[06:33] <danilos> "almost" nude ;)
[06:34] <danilos> (i.e. just made for planets)
[06:35] <jordi> lol
[06:35] <jordi> ok
[06:35] <jordi> I should get prepared to leave
[06:37] <danilos> ok, enjoy some of the last moments in sitges, where you felt at home :P
[06:39] <jordi> I'm going to mail you a  pic of me in the GAY, NUDE BEACH
[06:39] <jordi> apologies to #launchpad about this conversation :)
[06:40] <danilos> hah, I'll be waiting ;)
[06:41] <danilos> jordi: though, no need to apologize, launchpadders are not discriminative :P
[06:43] <danilos> anyway, stopping now :)
[07:03] <SteveA> kiko: pingo
[07:12] <salgado> SteveA, he just left to have lunch
[07:13] <SteveA> thanks salgado.  I got a quick word in with kiko :-)
[07:14] <rraphink> 49959
[07:14] <salgado> ah, right. sometimes I forget to check the timestamps of messages. :/
[07:36] <matthewrevell> SteveA: ping
[07:38] <SteveA> hi matthewrevell
[08:11] <carlos> later
[08:11] <carlos> kiko: around?
[08:12] <kiko> carlos, yes?
[08:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63022 in soyuz "New icons needed for soyuz +queue page." [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63022
[09:30] <kiko> hey BjornT?
[09:30] <BjornT> hi kiko
[09:31] <kiko> BjornT, interested in looking at a patch for externalbugtracker.Bugzilla that makes it work for /any/ version of bugzilla?
[09:31] <BjornT> kiko: sure
[09:31] <kiko> bad news: no tests. good news: works. :)
[09:31] <kiko> https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/fileO6CtL5.html
[09:31] <kiko> it supports issuezilla as well
[09:36] <BjornT> kiko: does issuezilla really expect bug ids to be separated with ':', and not ',' like bugzilla? (when requesting the xml list)
[09:36] <kiko> BjornT, yes.
[09:39] <matsubara> bzr is funny.
[09:39] <matsubara> $ bzr push --overwrite
[09:39] <matsubara> -2 revision(s) pushed.
[09:40] <kiko> matsubara, yeah, I think it's known. did you bzr uncommit perchance?
[09:40] <matsubara> kiko: no, the branch I was pushing into was 2 rev ahead. that's why I overwrote it.
[09:40] <kiko> ah
[09:45] <BjornT> kiko: well, the code looks mostly good, but you should catch the exceptions you added somewhere. they shouldn't fall through to the unexpected-exception handler.
[09:45] <kiko> BjornT, oh.
[09:46] <BjornT> kiko: and i think some basic tests are required for merge approval as well :)
[09:47] <kiko> BjornT, yeah. one question is: how to test the form?
[09:51] <BjornT> kiko: i guess you'd have to either extend or add a new TestBugzilla, to accept different form variables/page names depending on which version it is. it's not that nice, but it's hard to test it properly.
[09:52] <kiko> okay
[09:52] <kiko> BjornT, it's so easy to manually test this if you can assume internet, btw.
[09:54] <BjornT> yeah, i know. i don't think we want add such tests to the pqm test suite, though :) although, it wouldn't hurt having some test scripts that you could run manually from time to time.
[09:58] <kiko> yeah.
[10:30] <ddaa> evil spiv requested a svn import of twisteh
[10:30] <ddaa> twisted
[10:34] <carlos> enjoy your weekend!!!
[10:34] <kiko> salgado, matsubara: I may have time for your reviews today
[10:35] <salgado> kiko, that'd be great!
[10:37] <kiko> matsubara, salgado: URLs?
[10:40] <matsubara> kiko: https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/filePMAijq.html mainly a pagetest conversion and a way to reproduce bug 1558 (which is now gone with your SQLObject patch)
[10:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1558 in rosetta "Export request form should check for uniqueness of entry" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1558
[10:41] <salgado> kiko, https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/filed51aL6.html ; it will also show up on pending-reviews quickly
[10:44] <kiko> salgado, 'lib/canonical/testing/layers.py' ?
[10:44] <salgado> kiko, yeah, unused import
[10:44] <kiko> drop it! :)
[10:44] <salgado> there was a bug there, an undefined name, which I fixed but somebody fixed that and merged before I did
[10:45] <salgado> luckily, bzr is smart enough to not conflict
[10:45] <kiko> I see.
[10:45] <kiko> +          <a tal:attributes="href mirror/http_base_url"
[10:45] <kiko> won't that crash if the mirror doesn't have one?
[10:46] <salgado> depends
[10:47] <salgado> actually, it won't crash, for sure
[10:53] <kiko> salgado, can you summarize in points what this patch does?
[10:53] <salgado> kiko, Fix [WWW]  bug 60235, enable probing of ftp-only mirrors and remove lots of unused code.
[10:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60235 in launchpad "Disabling mirrors when they fail a single probe is not fair" [High,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60235
[10:55] <kiko> salgado, distributionmirror-prober crack gone? I thought you were saying that was useful?
[10:55] <salgado> eh?
[10:55] <salgado> what crack?
[10:55] <kiko> > [10:55] <kiko> salgado, did you send me an inverted patch?
[10:56] <salgado> I guess so
[10:58] <salgado> kiko, https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filesdA1RE.html
[10:58] <salgado> sorry for that
[10:58] <kiko> salgado, mmmmmm
[10:59] <kiko> THAT'S why nothing was making sense
[11:00] <salgado> then you should have guessed... or do you think I'd write code that doesn't make any sense?
[11:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63052 in launchpad "fmt:shorten should ellide at word boundaries" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63052
[11:00] <kiko> salgado, I hate to say I know there have been cases
[11:08] <ddaa> code always make sense
[11:08] <ddaa> it's all a matter of perspective
[11:08] <kiko> it's all a matter of CRACK
[11:09] <ddaa> crack is a matter of perspective, and sometimes perspective might be a matter of crack indeed...
[11:09] <kiko> salgado, wtf is david talking about?
[11:09] <salgado> crack?
[11:10] <ddaa> Don't worry, I've been doing import herding and debugging for 2.5 hours
[11:10] <ddaa> svn crack
[11:10] <ddaa> cvs crack
[11:10] <ddaa> user input crack
[11:10] <kiko> stop scaring us
[11:11] <ddaa> just found a particularly clever CVS repo that breaks cscvs in a way that is entirely new to me
[11:11] <kiko> ddaa, if only fixing cscvs was as easy as fixing externalsystem.Bugzilla
[11:11] <kiko> I fixed /all/ failing cases we have at the moment in about 20 minutes
[11:12] <ddaa> don't worry, yesterday I came up with a design that should fix most of our svn failures when I implement it
[11:12] <ddaa> and SteveA supports my focusing in it next week
[11:13] <ddaa> it was all a matter of getting the right perspective :)
[11:15] <salgado> hmmm. gotta run. friday night classes. :-(


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[12:51]  * MobileMuffin is mobile
[12:56]  * jelly is not muffin
[13:00] <jelly> https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2019/7/13/2090641.gif
[17:15] <sillyslux> https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2019/Fahrplan/events/10694.html
[17:15] <sillyslux> Lecture: Intel Management Engine deep dive
[17:29] <sillyslux> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMvLdcCXUAcsUNv.jpg:large
[18:42] <MobileMuffin> Hahha,kakav gif :)
[18:47] <jelly> datase, later tell mobilemuffin https://derpibooru.org/search?_utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=that+pony+sure+does+love+muffins
[18:47] <datase> jelly: Ok.


[08:58] <damascene> Is the sluggishness during software update is normal thing?
[15:27] <teward> anyone here familiar with how the sources.list files are stored on the Ubuntu ISOs?  I'd like to lift a pristine copy off a 14.04.# ISO without having to do an install...
[16:10] <cyphermox> teward: you can extract it from filesystem.squashfs
[16:11] <cyphermox> (loop mounting should suffice)
[17:55] <balloons> flocculant, ping
[17:57] <flocculant> balloons: pong
[18:13] <balloons> flocculant, what do you think of a red background for critical bugs box
[18:14] <balloons> ala http://imgur.com/45McOfu
[18:14] <teward> cyphermox: thanks, that got me the pristine one.  :)
[18:16] <flocculant> balloons: not sure - seems a bit ott, especially as people aren't all that good at deciding :)
[18:16] <balloons> I don't think I like it. But it also makes me question having the seperate boxes again
[18:17] <flocculant> balloons: how about move bugs right, critical bugs left - so they are in the original order, maybe change Critical Bug text to red
[18:17] <flocculant> balloons: need critical and/or bug
[18:17] <flocculant> fail needs a critical bug iirc
[18:17] <balloons> i mean, we could just have a bugs, and require a bug for fail, but not for pss
[18:17] <balloons> *pass
[18:18] <flocculant> mmm
[18:18] <flocculant> I do prefer having a critical option tbh
[18:19] <flocculant> if I fail something then I'm likely to have decided it's something critical - not just a bug
[18:20] <flocculant> makes people think a little bit more perhaps
[18:20] <balloons> ack. The red background is the only thing I'm really after for this specific merge. Gotta avoid making a big mp to fix everything ;p
[18:20] <flocculant> :)
[18:21] <flocculant> I'd definitely want to see bug and critical bug swapped with each other
[18:22] <flocculant> balloons: also don't want this to look bizarre if browser is not full screen - it never ever is here unless daughter or mother have been here ...
[18:25] <balloons> yea, I usually have 4-6 windows open on screen
[18:26] <balloons> Ok, feel free to ask theem to be swapped also
[18:31] <flocculant> balloons: well I can't report that as a bug as it's not like that in live
[18:31] <balloons> I meant on the MP -- I've done it
[18:32] <flocculant> oh nvm - just seen that :)
[18:33] <flocculant> and done
[18:34] <balloons> hehe, I'll sneak you into reviews one way or another
[18:35] <flocculant> :)
[18:35] <flocculant> I don't mind that ;)
[18:42] <balloons> someone wanted to say hello, so I sent you a mail flocculant
[18:43] <flocculant> awesome :D
[19:50] <balloons> ok, pushing rev 417 to production now
[20:05]  * flocculant lols a bit at the last mail to the qa list - I get music going within 30 seconds of an installation :p
[20:06] <flocculant> balloons: what changes should I be seeing with that?
[20:07] <flocculant> guess I'm not seeing it yet
[20:07] <balloons> no, it's not live yet
[20:07] <balloons> sorry to excite heh
[20:07] <flocculant> phew ...
[20:07] <flocculant> thought you'd broken it :D


[04:57] <tmarble> fabbione: ping
[04:57] <fabbione> tmarble: pong
[04:58] <tmarble> I see that I can add a spec at : https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+addspec
[04:58] <tmarble> but how do I get the sprint added: Sprint: uds-mtv
[04:58] <tmarble> such that it shows up in https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-mtv/+specs
[05:02] <fabbione> once you add the spec you can propose it
[05:02] <fabbione> once proposed it gets approved/rejected
[05:03] <tmarble> ah... how does one propose it/
[05:03] <tmarble> ?
[05:03] <tmarble> + Propose for meeting agenda (in the spec in launchpad)?
[05:15] <fabbione> yes
[05:15] <fabbione> (sorry if i am lagged.. struggling with some kernel issues)(
[05:16] <tmarble> no problem.. thanks for your help.. I must go a meeting now....
[05:16] <tmarble> talk to you again soon.
[05:19] <fabbione> ok


[06:05] <JohnDoe_71Rus> do you support 18.04 lxqt version?
 No.
[06:06] <JohnDoe_71Rus> :)
 :)
[06:06] <JohnDoe_71Rus> who do this?
 Huh?
[06:07] <JohnDoe_71Rus> there is developers who support testers ?
 Testers on 18.10. ;)
 And testers on the LXDE 18.04 and 16.04
[06:08] <JohnDoe_71Rus> lubuntu 18.04 lxqt doe's not include  LXDE 18.04?
 LXQt in any version but 18.10 is unsupported.
[06:09] <JohnDoe_71Rus> they are not interconnected?
 I don't know what you mean.
[06:10] <JohnDoe_71Rus> it's so hard
 LXDE in 18.04 and before is supported. LXQt in 18.10 and later is supported. That's it.
[06:13] <JohnDoe_71Rus> I can delete the 18.04 lxqt. and forget about it for a few years, until the next lts
[06:13] <JohnDoe_71Rus> ok


[05:39] <vorlon> alright, I've filed the dumbest bug report of the year, y'all can go home now https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/2011326
[05:39] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2011326 in glibc (Ubuntu) "glibc 2.37: snprintf() on armhf wrongly truncates writes given extremely large size argument" [Undecided, New]
[16:02] <ahasenack> so this shows just one running test/package: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running
[16:02] <ahasenack> yet the excuses page is full of "test in progress" lines
[16:58] <athos> hi ginggs, we ended up deciding not to maintain a symbols file for kea for now. Instead, we will make the shlibs file more strict. We were in doubt whether an FFe was needed at all (there are no reverse dependencies for the libraries shipped in kea-common). Still, we decided to file one just to be safe
[16:58] <athos> LP: #2011341
[16:58] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2011341 in isc-kea (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Build kea with a more strict shlibs file" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2011341
[17:32] <vorlon> ahasenack: sometimes test requests get lost; the thing to do in such cases is to batch-retry them (retry-autopkgtest-regressions --state RUNNING).  I'll do that now
[17:32] <ahasenack> ah, ok
[17:32] <ahasenack> thx
[17:57] <ahasenack> vorlon: the s390x mysql-8.0 dep8 tests are being killed mid-apt-download, in the install phase
[17:58] <vorlon> ahasenack: with what kind of error?
[17:58] <vorlon> there's discussion on ubuntu-devel about slow responses from ftpmaster.internal in the Boston cloud regions
[17:58] <ahasenack> it's the ftpmaster.internal slowness
[17:58] <ahasenack> yeah
[17:58] <vorlon> right
[17:58] <ahasenack> I started it :)
[17:58] <vorlon> indeed you did
[17:59] <vorlon> are you asking for us to ignore the test failure? otherwise the only thing to do is retry
[17:59] <ahasenack> I saw you retried a s390x run
[17:59] <ahasenack> not ignore
[17:59] <ahasenack> but retries won't help for now
[17:59] <vorlon> ok; I wasn't consciously doing anything for mysql-8.0, not sure which of my various batches triggered the retry :)
[17:59] <ahasenack> we can't have a negative regexp in the retry-autopkgtest script, right?
[18:00] <ahasenack> like "don't retry those who have this error"
[18:00] <vorlon> not afaik
[18:00] <ahasenack> k
[18:00] <vorlon> depends which functions from the re library are being used, I suppose :P
[18:00] <vorlon> full pcre does have regex negations which I have never wrapped my head around the syntax of
[18:13] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: wwidgets3.2 appears to have migrated, are we ready to copy webkit2gtk back?
[20:07] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, whenever jbicha wants :D
[20:07] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks!
[20:09] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, scilab was built at some point on armhf, but in Debian was never built there, and now its NBS in proposed
[20:09] <LocutusOfBorg> do you think we can do some magic?
[20:10] <LocutusOfBorg>  $ ./copy-package --from=ubuntu --to=ubuntu --from-suite=lunar-proposed  --to-suite=lunar-proposed webkit2gtk -b --force-same-destination  -e 2.39.90-1ubuntu1
[20:10] <LocutusOfBorg> done .
[20:11] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, maybe its even time to sync/merge webkit2gtk from Debian again?
[20:20] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: LP: #2011328
[20:20] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2011328 in scilab (Ubuntu) "Please RM libjogl2-java and scilab on armhf from lunar" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2011328
[20:38] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: it was built on armhf in Debian... in oldstable ;P
[23:56] <LocutusOfBorg> lol!


[19:11] <pavlushka> zaki: hey
[19:11] <zaki> hi pavlushka
[19:11] <zaki> how are you ?
[19:11] <pavlushka> zaki: I ported two twrp recovery, yay
[19:12] <pavlushka> zaki: I am good
[19:12] <zaki> pavlushka, wow
[19:12] <pavlushka> zaki: for walpad G2, and symphony v32
[19:12] <zaki> pavlushka, theirs any extra features ?
[19:12] <zaki> you flashed those ?
[19:13] <pavlushka> zaki: yeah
[19:13] <pavlushka> zaki: they got all the features you need to flash a custom rom, what more?
[19:15] <pavlushka> zaki: calling it a night, tc
[19:15] <zaki> good night :)


[13:30] <danlii> Is there some way to make Budgie stop asking for password on resume from sleep? I can only find the setting for no screen lock after screensaver, which doesn't seem to be the same thing.
[13:36] <fossfreedom_> danlii: on resume you see the lock screen?
[13:36] <danlii> fossfreedom: Yup.
[13:39] <fossfreedom_> not sure - will need to-do a bit of research
[13:45] <fossfreedom_> danlii: sorry cannot test stuff at the moment - and with the 17.04 release will be a bit busy for the next few days.
[14:33] <user-8> Hi, i am the person that reported problem with dns from https://www.opennicproject.org/
[14:34] <user-8> I tryed with the dns from my ISP and dns from google, i don't have problems.
[14:35] <user-8> I contacted by irc the dns provider and they said all the servers were responding.
[14:38] <user-8> I read that ubuntu 17.04 changed something with dns, maybe it is the problem. I don't know.


[01:48] <psusi> I've had a patch atached to bug #1250109 to fix a very long standing annoying problem making upgrades very slow due to the massive number of update-grub invocations since December.  could someone *please* upload it?
[01:50] <psusi> also I've been trying since about then to get upgraded from contributing developer to core so I could upload things like this myself, and would appreciate your endorsement: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhillipSusi/DeveloperApplication2
[02:04] <sarnold> psusi: does the grub2 debdiff need refreshing?
[02:09] <psusi> sarnold, apparently there have been a few new uploads since I posted that...
[02:09] <sarnold> psusi: I figured, the zfs stuff alone probably got a few..
[02:09] <sarnold> psusi: maybe re-fresh, re-test, re-upload, and re-bug apw :)
[02:10] <sarnold> it'd sure be nice to have it fixed, that bothers me every time I updae.
[02:10] <psusi> yea.. I just autoremoved' like 6 kernels
[02:10] <psusi> and watched the long, slow, update-grub for every one of them
[02:11] <psusi> I just saw a headline about that on slashdot and still don't get this insane belief that any kernel module is a derived work of the kernel and so zfs can't be licensed under something other than the gpl2
[02:13] <infinity> psusi: That "insane" belief is held by a lot of free software people and a lot of kernel copyright holders, so the debate is certainly heated.
[02:13] <psusi> by that logic, every hardware device driver that contains binary blobs in the kernel violates it
[02:14] <infinity> Yes.
[02:14] <psusi> and that's basically most of the most important ones
[02:14] <infinity> Hardly.
[02:14] <sarnold> which is why there's a linux-firmware package..
[02:14] <infinity> Unless you mean firmware, which is executed on the device, not the host CPU.
[02:14] <psusi> putting it in a separate package doesn't change the way the way the licenses effect it
[02:15] <psusi> doesn't matter where it is executed... if the argument is that the code is combined with the kernel that makes it a derived work and must be under the same license
[02:15] <infinity> It's widely accepted that the GPL linking clause doesn't attach across CPUs like that.  Not that it makes the firmware free without source (it's not), but the firmware doesn't taint the kernel code, as it's not linked to it in any way.
[02:16] <psusi> also by that logic, any executable program loaded by the kernel is a derived work and must be gpl2
[02:16] <infinity> No, that's not how linking works.
[02:16] <infinity> Reading the GPL helps before arguing for or against it.
[02:16] <sarnold> psusi: the first few lines of the kernel's COPYING file:
[02:16] <sarnold>    NOTE! This copyright does *not* cover user programs that use kernel
[02:16] <sarnold>  services by normal system calls - this is merely considered normal use
[02:16] <sarnold>  of the kernel, and does *not* fall under the heading of "derived work".
[02:16] <psusi> "linking" isn't something that is part of copyright law... being in the same address space on the same cpu doesn't make something a derived work
[02:17] <infinity> psusi: It's not part of copyright law, but it *is* part of the license, ergo the copyright holders can withdraw your license if you violate it.
[02:17] <psusi> by that logic, WINE is a derived work of MS windows....
[02:17] <infinity> psusi: And then you no longer can copy.
[02:17] <psusi> no... they can't withdraw their license depending on how you *use* the work
[02:18] <infinity> Of course they can.
[02:18] <psusi> first sale doctorine
[02:18] <psusi> once you sell it to me I can use it however I choose
[02:18] <infinity> Yes, but you can't distribute it.
[02:18] <infinity> Copyright licenses are about distribution, not use.
[02:18] <infinity> And you absolutely can have your rights to distribute terminated.
[02:18] <psusi> compilations... they can't say that you must distribute it alone and not as part of a larger collection with other software
[02:20] <psusi> i.e. they can't say that you can redistribute linux, but not as part of an OS that contains non gpl2 software
[02:21] <infinity> " If a compilation utilizes material under copyright by someone else, compilation protection does not grant the compiler rights to that material or permission to use it without license"
[02:21] <infinity> A copyright license can restrict your distribution rights in ANY WAY THEY WANT.
[02:21] <infinity> Especially given that it's not a restriction at all, it's a grant.
[02:22] <infinity> By default, you can't distribute anything that's copyrighted.
[02:22] <infinity> That's how copyright works.
[02:22] <psusi> no.. it can't... they can't for instance, say that you can distribute it, but only if the servers you use to host it aren't running windows
[02:23] <infinity> Not that the GPL (and any GPL work) ever claims that the whole OS needs to be GPL.
[02:23] <psusi> I don't see any distinction between that and claiming that all kernel modules you distribute with it must be GPL
[02:23] <infinity> psusi: They really could.  Just as they can state that you must post advertisements, or hop on one foot.
[02:24] <infinity> psusi: You're being *granted* a distribution license on their terms.  It's a contract.  Some bits of that contract could certainly be tested in some courts and found unenforceable, but there's no list of "you can't" assigned to it.
[02:24] <infinity> psusi: The distinction is both how the GPL defines linking, and that the kernel copyright license itself even goes out of its way to clarify.
[02:24] <psusi> no.. they can't... the courts have upheld that there are reasonable things they can require, and unresonable things they can not, including that you can not demand that it not be distributed as part of an OS that contains propietary software
[02:25] <infinity> psusi: Good thing no one's demanding that (also, where's that case, since I've not heard of it, since I know of no licesense that would cause that to be tested in a court in the first place)
[02:26] <psusi> there were plenty of software vendors in the 80s that did not like their software being distributed on cds with hundreds of other programs...
[02:27] <infinity> Those are collections, which are clearly not derived works.  The GPL claims linking creates a derived work.  It's not just a collection at that point, as a transformation more significant than copying to a filesystem has occurred.
[02:28] <psusi> yes, and that is the claim that is fallacious... if linking created a derived work, then MS would have a copyright claim on every single piece of windows software ever created
[02:28] <psusi> and every windows software vender would have a copyright claim on WINE
[02:29] <sarnold> I suspect windows had a EULA that allowed linking to their APIs without having to share the license
[02:29] <psusi> maybe to *theirs* but not to WINE's
[02:29] <infinity> Derivative works are not copyright violations of the original work.  But putting them together is also not a naive collection.
[02:30] <sarnold> wine's API use is likely covered by the oracle / google 'can you copyright an API' question.
[02:30] <psusi> same applies to kernel modules using the kerne's apis
[02:36] <psusi> it doesn't seem any different to me than MS trying to copyright the use of INT21 and saying that dosbox violates their copyright for implementing it, or every dos program ever written does and so they can stop anyone they want from writing a DOS program
[02:48] <psusi> what the hell is wrong with patch?  I unpacked the latest grub2 source into ~/grub2-2.02~beta2... in there I run patch -p1 and paste in the old patch and it complains that it can't find grub2-2.02~beta2/debian/grub2.postinst.... Ummm.. the -p1 means strip off the gurb2-2.02~beta2 prefix and look instead for ./debian/grub2.postinst... why isn't it?
[02:49] <psusi> oh... now htat's weird... that file isn't there
[02:54] <nacc_> psusi: the naming has changed, i think? i see postinst.in, e.g.
[02:54] <psusi> hrm.. I think someone fscked up the package uploads... last I patched this, it went from 2.02beta2-ubuntu1 to 2.02beta2-ubuntu2... the current changelog only shows 2.02~beta2-32 followed by 2.02-beta2-33
[02:54] <nacc_> it's up to ~36
[02:55] <psusi> i.e. 2.02beta2-ubuntu1 is now missing from the changelog
[02:56] <psusi> i.e. someone updated to the new debian release and discarded the previous ubuntu releases from the changelog
[02:56] <psusi> kind of like how I recently tried to upload a gparted package to debian discarding the previous NMU
[02:57] <nacc_> psusi: i think ~36 is sync'd direct from debian, there's no delta (afaict)
[02:58] <sarnold> with a version like "2.02~beta2-36" doesn't that mean it was synched right from debian?
[02:59] <nacc_> sarnold: that's my reading, as well
[03:02] <psusi> aren't the previous ubuntu changelog entries supposed to be preserved?
[03:02] <psusi> just like I'm supposed to preserve NMU uploads in debian when I issue a new update there?
[03:02] <sarnold> maybe with merges but unlikely with syncs, after all, it's just copied from debian.. whoever does the sync is supposed to ensure the delta is no longer needed
[03:03] <psusi> hrm... seems odd that it s ok to discard changelog entries for previous revisions... but.. shouldn't stop my patch from applying... hrm...
[03:04] <sarnold> if we had to retain all previous ubuntu changelog entries we'd never be able to blindly sync from debian for any package ever again
[03:10] <psusi> damn... I can not figure out how to reconsile these changes
[03:10] <psusi> there is no longer a grub2.triggers but instead a postinst.in
[03:11] <psusi> grub2.postinst rather
[03:12] <psusi> .triggers was the new file I added
[03:14]  * psusi kicks cjwatson to the rescue
[03:14]  * psusi may have to try again tomorrow when he's sober
[05:07] <sarnold> pitti: what are the chances the systemd-logind restart also loses my xset dpms setting? I know it's stretching but the same day I test the new systemd-logind my X11 didn't suspend .. heh :) thanks
[05:54] <pitti> Good morning
[05:55] <pitti> sarnold: is that on trusty or xenial? xenial's xorg now directly integrates with logind, trusty's didn't yet
[05:55] <pitti> barry: I am now
[07:45] <dholbach> good morning
[08:13] <cpaelzer> I have a package with a dep8 test and realized by adding a new one without needing isolation-machine that the only thing preventing them to run on armhf and s390x was that restriction
[08:14] <cpaelzer> now the new test without that obviously ran on those arches and failed by "Test dependencies are unsatisfiable"
[08:14] <cpaelzer> and please excuse me in case that is a silly question, but I can't find the right pointer to start via search engines, but - what is the "right" way to guard architectures for dep8 tests?
[08:15] <cpaelzer> to be honest I'm even more puzzled by ppc64el failing with the same dependency but instead of a regression it lists them as "Always failed"
[08:16] <cpaelzer> seems that a former "SKIP", but then adding a fail counts as regression while in fact no test ever ran successfulyl on those
[08:16] <cpaelzer> but my real question/issue is around how to properly flag/guard toward only supported architectures
[08:17] <cpaelzer> jamespage: since you were kind of involved FYI ^^
[08:18] <cpaelzer> it's obvisous I could just add "isolation-machine", but that can't be right - is it?
[08:21] <cpaelzer> an architecture list for the Depends field of d/t/control maybe?
[08:29] <jamespage> cpaelzer, I'm surprised that as that package only builds for x86 archs, that the tests are even running...
[08:29] <jamespage> pitti, ^^ any pointers?
[08:30] <cpaelzer> jamespage: that is exactly what threw me off
[08:32] <pitti> cpaelzer: you can add arch qualifiers to test dependencies, just like with binary dependencies
[08:33] <pitti> so you can say "Depends: foo [i386 amd64]" if foo is only available there
[08:33] <pitti> and then have your test skip the parts that need foo if it isn't available
[08:33] <pitti> there is no "Architecture:" field in debian/tests/control
[08:33] <pitti> if a package isn't built on a particular arch, it doesn't get tested there either
[08:34] <pitti> so it should not normally be necessary
[08:34] <pitti> cpaelzer: right, if it never succeeded on ppc64el it counts as "always failed", so it doesn't block propagation
[08:35] <cpaelzer> pitti: but it "never worked" on s390/armhf either but now lists it as regression
[08:35] <cpaelzer> that is what I meant with only SKIP seems not to count as "fail"
[08:35] <pitti> cpaelzer: ok, what is "it" here? which packages?
[08:35] <cpaelzer> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html look for dpdk
[08:35] <pitti> cpaelzer: right, so http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/d/dpdk/xenial/armhf/ did succeed before
[08:36] <cpaelzer> pitti: yeah with 1/1 tests being SKIPed
[08:36] <cpaelzer> pitti: I'm totally fine, I just didn't expect that skip only would have been considered "working" and adding a new one that fails a "regression then"
[08:37] <cpaelzer> we will work on arch flagging the other tests which then should skipped as well and the regression gone
[08:37] <cpaelzer> pitti: but as you said - "if a package isn't built on a particular arch, it doesn't get tested there either"
[08:38] <cpaelzer> pitti: but we can add the arch qualifiers and things should be fine
[08:38] <cpaelzer> pitti: thank you
[08:38] <cpaelzer> maybe it is the -doc packages because they coem from the same source and are for all archs ?
[08:39] <cpaelzer> pitti: would that cause the package be tested on all archs ^^ ?
[08:40] <pitti> cpaelzer: it would be a bit harsh to count a test as failed just because we can't provide "good enough" testbeds
[08:40] <cpaelzer> pitti: yeah, with that point of view I totally agree to you - thanks
[08:41] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I'll push the changes + the revert of the revert of the VCS things to the repo the next minutes
[08:41] <pitti> cpaelzer: -doc package> right, that's it, so it'll count as "available" on s390x
[08:41] <cpaelzer> jamespage: would you reupload that then so we see if it resolves the test issue
[08:42] <cpaelzer> pitti: ahh, and one more thanks for that confirmation - great
[08:42] <cpaelzer> now everything makes sense and a solution is ahead
[08:42] <pitti> cpaelzer: just adding the arch qualifiers will fish the "test dep not available", you still need to make sure that your tests skip gracefully if dpdk isn't available
[08:43] <cpaelzer> pitti: ah you mean it won't install the package because we properly flagged its arch dep but the test then still wants to run and would fail
[08:43] <pitti> right
[08:43] <cpaelzer> ok, thank
[08:43] <cpaelzer> that saves one extra upload
[08:43] <pitti> cpaelzer: for this corner case there's currently no declarative way to say that, I'm afraid
[08:43] <pitti> so it needs to be done in the test code for the time being
[08:44] <pitti> cpaelzer: at some point we could add an Architecture: field to d/t/control of course, but it doesn't exist ATM
[08:44] <cpaelzer> pitti: no SW can be perfect and autotest is great as-is - we can handle that minor thing for now
[08:44] <cpaelzer> I wonder we are the first to run into that
[08:44] <cpaelzer> maybe the others just didn't have to ask ...
[08:48] <pitti> cpaelzer: I faintly remember that it came up once before, but it's indeed not very common
[10:05] <dholbach> can somebody remind me how to find all the packages which depend or build-depend on a binary package of a given source package? :-)
[10:07] <Mirv> pitti: hi! I'm unable to submit an autopkgtest rety request ("does not have any test results") when trying the i386 ubuntuone-credentials from https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/vivid/landing-049/excuses.html
[10:10] <cpaelzer> dholbach: apt-rdepends -r [-b] ?
[10:10] <cpaelzer> dholbach: [-b] for depends and build-depends
[10:11] <dholbach> thanks
[10:11] <dholbach> looks like -r and -b won't go together
[10:11] <cpaelzer> yeah the -r if for the bin, wait I had something for reverse build as well
[10:12] <Mirv> dholbach: or you might want to check reverse-depends with or without -b
[10:12] <Mirv> from ubuntu-deve-tools
[10:12] <Mirv> -e
[10:12] <dholbach> ah, great
[10:12] <dholbach> thanks a bunch! :-)
[10:12] <cpaelzer> yeah that is the second one I had
[10:13] <Mirv> one needs to iterate through the binary packages though
[10:14] <cpaelzer> dholbach: I documented all kind of this dependency stuff in this section https://wiki.canonical.com/ServerTeam/ServerReleaseHandling#Messing_around_with_dependencies
[10:14] <cpaelzer> including e.g. how to iterate over the binary packages and so on
[10:14] <dholbach> excellent
[10:14] <cjwatson> Mirv: src:
[10:15] <Mirv> !! all these years...
[10:16] <LocutusOfBorg> dholbach, reverse-depends -b binary works :)
[10:16] <Mirv> reading the man page would have helped easily
[10:16] <LocutusOfBorg> and reverse depends works also with a given release series
[10:16] <LocutusOfBorg> reverse-depends -r xenial fonts-droid
[10:17] <Mirv> what about reverse depends of a Provides: provided virtual package? :)
[10:18] <LocutusOfBorg> oops Mirv I did answer before reading your answer :)
[10:19]  * LocutusOfBorg did rebuild itksnap, elastix, plastimatch, lets see insighttoolkit4.9 migrate today!
[10:19] <Mirv> I'm using synaptic to list binary packages that depend on qtbase-abi-[version] or qtdeclarative-abi-[version], but I'd actually need a way to get the list of source packages that have binary packages that depend on them
[10:33] <pitti> Mirv: can you please file a bug against auto-package-testing about that for now? (sorry, can't look into that right away)
[10:33] <pitti> Mirv: did the retry work for qtmir?
[10:35] <pitti> Mirv: requeued the ubuntuone-credentials test
[10:39] <Son_Goku> nacc_: after a session of debugging with Remi Collet, I found out the problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php7.0/+bug/1548442/comments/2
[11:07] <LocutusOfBorg> nacc_, a new php7 upload hurray!
[11:08] <LocutusOfBorg> I mean in Debian :)
[11:19] <pitti> Mirv: well, I just restarted it too
[11:20] <Mirv> pitti: ok, filing, qtmir hadn't failed yet at that point but seems to work (retry), and thanks
[11:20] <Mirv> and because of timing I guess qtmir is now twice in the queue :)
[11:20] <pitti> Mirv: ah, snap :)
[11:20] <pitti> Mirv: yep -- http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml#pkg-qtmir :)
[12:52] <flexiondotorg_> I'd like to submit a one line patch to gnome-language-selector to fix an issue with MATE.
[12:52] <flexiondotorg_> I see lp:language-selector is retired.
[12:52] <flexiondotorg_> Should I just prepare a debdiff for the language-selector package, as can't find a source repository.
[12:55] <Saviq> pitti, hey, I'm putting our autopilot tests into autopkg, will britney be happy with this https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/autopilot-dep8/+merge/287228 ? Will the "isolation-machine" restriction make it skip it?
[13:22] <pitti> Saviq: that looks a bit odd still
[13:22] <pitti> Saviq: why is it isolation-machine?
[13:23] <pitti> Saviq: that will skip the tests on the arches that use LXC (armhf and s390x)
[13:23] <Saviq> pitti, those tests are only meant to run on phones
[13:23] <pitti> Saviq: oh, autopilot's input device emulation I figure?
[13:23] <Saviq> pitti, not just that, we just need a full unity8 session
[13:23] <pitti> Saviq: but "initctl --session" will fail on the normal infra
[13:23] <pitti> as there is no unity session
[13:24] <pitti> Saviq: so either you actually start one, or you should gracefully skip the test if it's not running
[13:24] <Saviq> pitti, well, my goal is to skip that test on britney altogether (unless it has touch devices available)
[13:24] <Saviq> pitti, that's what I'm doing
[13:24] <Saviq> pitti, see line 10 of the diff
[13:24] <pitti> Saviq: pidof unity 8 || { echo "Not running under unity8, skipping"; exit 0; }
[13:24] <pitti> something like that
[13:24] <pitti> Saviq: ah, of course
[13:25] <pitti> Saviq: yep, that's fine
[13:25] <Saviq> pitti, just wanted to skip it altogether where it doesn't make sense, should I not add the isolation-machine bit, then?
[13:25] <pitti> Saviq: in the future we can use something like "Class: ubuntu-touch", but that's not implemented yet
[13:25] <pitti> Saviq: i-machine is fine
[13:26] <Saviq> pitti, will it not trigger the test unnecessarily on some dedicated hardware, though? where it could just as well fail in a container/chroot?
[13:26] <Saviq> s/fail/gracefully exit/
[13:30] <Mirv> pitti: when you have time, retry unity8 i386 silo 049 (https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/vivid/landing-049/excuses.html). added that one to the bug report too.
[13:30] <pitti> Saviq: it will be skipped on containers/schroots, and not do much in qemu
[13:30] <pitti> Mirv: done
[13:31] <Saviq> Mirv, that's our last flaky test, will fix asap
[13:31] <pitti> Saviq: "our last flaky test" → famous last words :)
[13:31] <Saviq> pitti, no, for real! :)
[13:32] <Saviq> (outside of armhf, that is :P)
[13:39] <doko> jamespage, smoser: jdk-default-headless hit xenial. enjoy to reduce the size of images/whatever
[13:40] <Mirv> thank you
[13:41] <Mirv> Saviq: :)
[13:43] <blaze> was unity8-lxc tested on xenial?
[13:43] <blaze> not working for me here
[13:56] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, itk4 is migrating now I think
[15:05] <caribou_> barry: won't the regression on python-pip 8.0.2-8 block your new python-pip upload ?
[15:16] <doko> apw, please could you take care about http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html (module-init-tools), and then telling me that it can be removed?
[15:17] <doko> I'll take care about the cross-toolchain-* packages myself
[15:17] <Saviq> pitti, did you consider having adt-run generate a .xml test report file?
[15:20] <pitti> Saviq: it didn't come up before; we have a json file for the test environment data so far
[15:22] <Saviq> pitti, I'm asking because we're constructing a dummy .xml file containing a fail when adt-run exits with a "failed" exit code, to mark the job unstable instead of plain FAILED
[15:22] <Saviq> pitti, I'll parse the summary file for this, but it would probably be easier for adt-run to do this for us :)
[15:28] <pitti> exactly as easy or hard, I'd say :)
[15:40] <barry> caribou_: i hope not 8.0.3-1 should fix the problem
[15:43] <nacc_> Son_Goku: can you put that in the php bug too?
[15:43] <nacc_> LocutusOfBorg: :)
[15:54] <barry> LP seems slow in picking up new debian versions
[15:56] <cjwatson> barry: do you have an example?
[15:56] <cjwatson> the cron job is every six hours which matched dinstall last I checked, but it does depend on exactly where in the cycle your upload falls
[15:56] <barry> cjwatson: python-pip and python-virtualenv.  both were uploaded to debian yesterday but i still can't syncpackage them
[15:56] <barry> cjwatson: definitely > 6h ago
[15:57] <cjwatson> looking
[15:57] <nacc_> Son_Goku: so, i *think*, that ubuntu's package just directly has whatever is in upstream php for ext/pcre ... and some of the patches in the repo you mention (fc23) are present (or mostly so...) and some aren't
[15:59] <cjwatson> barry: well, 8.0.3-1 isn't actually in unstable's Sources file yet
[15:59] <barry> maybe it's debian?
[15:59] <cjwatson> I just looked on coccia
[15:59] <barry> cjwatson: looks like both are in buildd-unstable?
[16:00] <cjwatson> barry: dak's DB appears to have it, sure, but we sync from Sources files
[16:00] <cjwatson> barry: I don't know why those are taking so long to update, but it's on the Debian side AFAICS
[16:00] <barry> cjwatson: ack.  okay, thanks!
[16:01] <nacc_> Son_Goku: i can build with the patches applied and narrow it down here, i think, there are few that seem likely
[16:01] <cjwatson> 11:41 <jcristau> looks like yesterday's 1952 dinstall broke
[16:01] <cjwatson> 11:42 <jcristau> in the pdiff stuff
[16:01] <cjwatson> 11:42 <jcristau> and then exited at the same point in the 0152 and 0752 ones
[16:01] <cjwatson> 11:44 <jcristau> http://paste.debian.net/405058/
[16:01] <cjwatson> barry: ^- from #debian-ftp
[16:01] <cjwatson> that probably explains it
[16:02] <cjwatson> barry: apparently it should be fixed for the dinstall running recently/nowish
[16:02] <barry> cjwatson: thanks.  i'll keep an eye on it over the next few hours, and we'll see how it falls in with the cron job cycle
[16:05] <Saviq> pitti, about the "isolation-machine" again, will that not affect the existing test, that happily runs in chroots today?
[16:13] <teward> any chance I could get a bug reviewed for an FFe to get the latest nginx upstream mainline version into Xenial?   Wasn't sure if I have to get the FFe approved before I uploaded, though...
[16:15] <nacc_> Son_Goku: so i think ubuntu, at least, has not patched pcre 8.38 at all ... btw, did you reproduce this with debian too? can you, if possible, i do see we have a delta in ubuntu specifically about JIT
[16:21] <nacc_> Son_Goku: looks to just be some symbol mangling, probably not the issue
[16:23] <nacc_> Son_Goku: i'll backport the lot and see if it fixes it locally first
[16:39] <Son_Goku> nacc_: it was a problem for me on Debian 8
[16:39] <Son_Goku> I don’t have anything on Debian sid
[16:40] <Son_Goku> so I can’t test there
[16:40] <nacc_> Son_Goku: ok, np
[17:06] <smoser> pitti, are you around ?
[17:31] <rbasak> Am I right in thinking that there's no need for <package>.dirs to specify a directory that <package>.install already installs into (with debhelper)?
[17:40] <cjwatson> rbasak: that's right
[17:41] <cjwatson> it's relatively common redundancy but it is indeed redundant
[17:43] <rbasak> Great, thanks.
[18:01] <pitti> Saviq: a test with isolation-machine isn't run with adt-virt-schroot, no
[18:02] <Saviq> pitti, I know, but that's the thing, we have one test without isolation-machine, another with, I just don't want the former to unnecessarily hog something
[18:03] <Saviq> anyway
[18:03] <pitti> Saviq: what do you mean, if it can run in a chroot, why wouldn't we run it?
[18:04] <Saviq> pitti, do the tests get split up when they have different requirements?
[18:04] <pitti> Saviq: each test is run separately anyway, and those which the testbed can't satisfy are skipped
[18:04] <Saviq> anyway, it's running in https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1053 so we'll know soon enough
[18:04] <Saviq> pitti, ack, if they're run separately then we should be good, thanks!
[19:17] <nacc_> Son_Goku: is the pcre fix needed in pcre or in the php extension? i assumed the former?
[19:17] <Son_Goku> the former
[19:17] <Son_Goku> as far as I know, anyway
[19:18] <Son_Goku> nacc_: that said, Remi does have some pcre patches… https://github.com/remicollet/remirepo/tree/master/php/php70
[19:19] <Son_Goku> but I don’t think they apply to Xenial
[19:45] <jdstrand> pitti: hey, so isc-dhcp got hung up in a network-manager regression, but all it fixed as an apparmor denial which should only make dhclient work better
[19:47] <jdstrand> test_open_b_ip6_dhcp() is what failed, but I fail to see how adding the openssl abstraction to the profile would've caused that
[19:48] <jdstrand> hmm, artificats does not have syslog in it...
[19:50] <jdstrand> looking at wpa-dhclient-stdout, I don't see anything, but the fact that the other 3 tests passed suggests to me it is not the isc-dhcp upload
[21:19] <nacc_> Son_Goku: yeah, doesn't look like it to me either
[22:03] <nacc_> Pharaoh_Atem: ok, i rebuilt pcre3 with a fairly clear bugfix, and am now rebuilding php7 with that pcre, to see if it fixes the issue
[23:17] <nacc_> Pharaoh_Atem: wasn't just that one patch, as i hpoed it was ... and the tests are failing when i backport the set (might have made a mistake on my part, of course)


[01:41] <realivanjx> hi. so i have installed nemo as my default file explorer via xdg-mime and "gsettings set org.nemo.desktop show-desktop-icons true
[01:41] <realivanjx> ". the problem is brave browser is still using nautilus for things like opening downloaded files in folder. any ideas to tell brave to use nemo instead?
[04:58] <okabe> como isso funciona
[04:58] <okabe> ?
[04:58] <rbox> english
[06:30] <josh_> Good morning! Has anyone encountered freezing issues upgrading to Ubuntu 23.04?
[09:29] <cetjs2> 2> are  you know how to install latest ruby on rails stack to xubuntu?
[09:30] <cetjs2>  are  you know how to install latest ruby on rails stack to ubuntu?
[11:42] <jsmooth> I installed Ubuntu to a Flash drive, giving me only a limited GRUB shell. I rebooted a few times and that got me a desktop environment, but I could not get Firefox to open and now Firefox appears uninstalled. Trying to install Firefox snap, it times out.
[11:43] <jsmooth> I really want Ubuntu to a can do PHP development, but I don't know what to do here.
[11:52] <lotuspsychj3> jsmooth: wich ubuntu release is that?
[12:15] <jsmooth> I downloaded the latest release a day or two ago.
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:58] <lotuspsychj3> !next | jsmooth
[13:10] <mybalzitch> oh hey, no more activities button
[13:10] <lotuspsychj3> not a discussion for this support channel mybalzitch
[13:30] <KingShark> I dont accept the terms at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService, whatever they are :-))
[13:50] <KingShark> Guys, did you ever consider changing to linux or will you stay on ubuntu?
[13:50] <leftyfb> KingShark: trolling is offtopic here. Feel free to /join #ubuntu-offtopic for non-support issues
[13:51] <KingShark> :(
[13:51] <KingShark> * Now talking on #ubuntu-trolling
[13:59] <hfckjg> I have a question, is there any known problems with ubuntu2023.04?
[13:59] <matsaman> compared to what
[14:35] <jsmooth> I only have 22.04.3, according to ubuntu.com, so I don't need #ubuntu-next
[14:36] <lotuspsychj3> jsmooth: thats not the latest ubuntu then, but the latest current LTS
[14:37] <jsmooth> Yes, that is correct.
[14:37] <jsmooth> I don't understand what happened to firefox or why only Terminal, Software, and app menu will open.
[14:38] <jsmooth> I have at least 8G ram, the flash drive is 32G and this laptop is not even a year old.
[14:38] <KingShark> try to open firefox from a terminal and see what happens
[14:39] <jsmooth> I did, it said I needed to install firefox using snap install firefox. I tried that and it timed out.
[14:40] <jsmooth> I certainly didn't uninstall it.
[14:40] <KingShark> is snap the only option? what does sudo apt install firefox give you
[14:41] <jsmooth> Let me try booting again and see if I can get firefox
[15:01] <mesnitu> hi! is this the ubuntu or the ubuntu studio topic?
[15:01] <Eickmeyer> Both
[15:01] <Eickmeyer> !support
[15:01] <mesnitu> ok. thanks!
[15:02] <Eickmeyer> Ubuntu Studio is *not* a separate distribution, being an official flavor of Ubuntu. Don't know where you got the idea it was separate.
[15:07] <mesnitu> anyone using ubuntu studio ? I updated audacity to v3 , and now reports a lot of plugins not compatible . The thing is , if I update (if I can)  those plugins, will not mess the other audio apps, etc. I made the download from the audacity site, so I guess the question is, is there a proper way to update audacity to version3?
[15:07] <Eickmeyer> mesnitu: What version? yy.mm
[15:08] <Eickmeyer> !yy.mm | mesnitu
[15:08] <mesnitu> ok. 22.04
[15:09] <Eickmeyer> mesnitu: Sadly, 22.04 lacks the proper dependencies for Audacity 3, but there is a snap for Audacity 3 if you want to use that.
[15:13] <mesnitu> ok, I'll check that. There is no issue with audacity , the thing is about the plugins warnings ( around 27 plugins not compatible with version 3 ) ... I guess all of them . Also, I'm "new" to ubuntu and new to ubuntu studio, so not sure if this warnings are just for audacity, and no harm done if I try to update those of plugins, or is down hill afterwards.
[15:14] <Eickmeyer> mesnitu: That's actually pretty normal for Audacity. It's known to not be compatible with all plugins and implements a non-standard way of handling lv2 plugins.
[15:14] <jsmooth> I got snap to try to install, but it stopped saying something wasn't seeded yet. I don't have a clue what that means.
[15:14] <mesnitu> Also note, that this plugins are from a default ubuntu studio installation. So nothing mine
[15:14] <jsmooth> It took 10 minutes for the system to boot up
[15:14] <jsmooth> Installing to a flash drive seems to have been a big mistake.
[15:15] <Eickmeyer> mesnitu: Understood. I'm the Ubuntu Studio lead, and I assure you all of the plugins are unmodified from the upstream and are done according to standards. Audacity just has a non-standard way of handling them.
[15:16] <Eickmeyer> jsmooth: Flash drives are notoriously slow compared to nvme or even a spinning hdd.
[15:17] <jsmooth> I have an external usb hard drive, but I'm not sure it'd be much better.
[15:17] <mesnitu> ok , I'll check snap. Thanks, and also thank's for your and the team work. So far so good!
[15:17] <Eickmeyer> jsmooth: Depends on the USB speed and the speed of the HDD, but typically internal is faster.
[15:18] <Eickmeyer> mesnitu: Glad to hear it.
[15:18] <jsmooth> It's usb 3.0, I know that
[15:18] <jsmooth> the flash drive is only 2.0
[15:18] <Eickmeyer> jsmooth: Yeah, you might have better luck with the external hdd compared to the flash drive.
[15:26] <onosendi> Why is my server swapping? https://imgur.com/a/zvc6bhq
[15:30] <KingShark> onesendi, try following this to find out which process is swapping https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-which-process-is-using-swap/
[15:40] <jsmooth> I give up. I can't get the Ubuntu on Flash to do anything and I cannot shrink partition on my external to install it there.
[16:09] <mesnitu> Is there a way to "reset" the studio control ( in ububtu studio ) to the default install values?
[16:34] <Yakov> how to detect hdmi devices on ubuntu?
[16:34] <Yakov> I have ezcap device which has hdmi and usb out
[16:34] <Yakov> if connected only with hdmi can i detect hdmi? can I detect usb itself?
[16:36] <josh_> Hello! I upgraded to Ubuntu 23.04 and  I am experiencing some freezing issues. Has anyone faced such issue and is there any appropriate step to remedy the situation?
[16:39] <KingShark> does your heating system have a central control unit?
[16:40] <farrah> that was mean KingShark ..
[16:40] <KingShark> :( sorry
[16:40] <farrah> bad pun
[16:40] <Yakov> farrah where are u from?
[16:41] <KingShark> i am still laughing but yes humour is subjective :))
[16:41] <farrah> :)
[16:56] <FKAShinobi> Can anyone clarify what this file is about? [2023-09-22T12:47:35-0400] error    : filesystem statistic error: cannot read /sys/dev/block/0:0/stat -- No such file or directory
[17:06] <KingShark> FKAShinobi, https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/block/stat.txt
[17:07] <jsmooth> How come netstat isn't in repo anymore?
[17:09] <FKAShinobi> KingShark: Is this a high severity error?
[17:11] <pydev2> hello everybody, is there a way to set a specific FIXED permissions of files and folder ? for example i would like to set 660 to /static and 600 to /app and after a git pull i would like to force permissions usign the same i set
[17:11] <leftyfb> jsmooth: it is, it's part of the net-tools package
[17:11] <pydev2> can i do it somehow?
[17:12] <pydev2> instead of running chmod everytime
[17:12] <Yakov32> is there any way to detect my hdmi device with cmd?
[17:13] <leftyfb> Yakov32: yes https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/en/man1/ddcutil.1.html
[17:15] <Yakov32> btw how to do the same on windows?
[17:15] <leftyfb> Yakov32: ask in #windows
[17:17] <Yakov32> I did :)
[17:20] <jsmooth> Curious, does this channel support Ubuntu that is installed into Windows Subsystem for Linux?
[17:20] <leftyfb> !wsl | jsmooth
[17:21] <jsmooth> I know, I have it installed, but I'm wondering if it's a special version of Ubuntu that isn't supported
[17:32] <Yakov32> how to detect what conntected to my hdmi port?
[17:33] <Yakov32> sorry, wrong channel
[18:03] <coderman1> what command might i use to print out the number of open files there are per application?
[18:04] <coderman1> lsof | wc -l is showing 150k open files....just curious whats making that number up
[18:07] <KingShark> coderman1, this page has same solutions to that https://stackoverflow.com/questions/21752067/counting-open-files-per-process
[18:07] <KingShark> some one liners in the first reply
[18:10] <coderman1> KingShark, hard to find one of those that actually works...most of them print it out by PID, and some of them only print out a total of like 500 open files
[18:11] <coderman1> lsof | grep ' rabbitmq ' | awk '{print $NF}' | sort | wc -l
[18:11] <coderman1> worked the best, it shows 115k open files by rabbitmq
[18:13] <KingShark> coderman1, the second answer (10 upvotes) one works well for me
[18:13] <KingShark> it does not translate the pids to process names though so thats something you could work on x)
[18:47] <mina> ciaoooo
[18:50] <reinaldo> Hey everyone
[18:50] <mina34> hello
[18:51] <mina34> are u from
[18:52] <reinaldo> from Cuba here
[18:52] <leftyfb> !chat | mina34
[18:57] <mina34> ❤Sei disposto a fare sesso reale?❤😋 Telemm>>mina4986
[19:16] <delmina> ❤Sei disposto a fare sesso reale?❤😋 Telemm>>mina4986
[19:16] <delmina> ❤Sei disposto a fare sesso reale?❤😋 Telemm>>mina4986
[19:18] <Guest22> del amina siento yogo? Telemm >> Guest22
[19:19] <Guest22> layiento amina siento la mina
[19:20] <delmina> ❤Sei disposto a fare sesso reale?❤😋 Telemm>>mina4986
[19:21] <Eickmeyer> !es
[19:21] <Guest22> lalala delmina
[19:21] <Guest22> es nochos doritos la Einmeyer, siento nochosahhhhhh
[19:22] <Eickmeyer> !ops | Guest22
[19:22] <Guest22> oh shit
[19:23]  * el raises eyebrow at Guest22
[19:23] <Guest22> taco
[19:23] <el> if you're not actually that spammer perhaps learn to not repeat spam because i very nearly removed you from the whole network for that.
[19:31] <delmina> https://shrinke.me/RdoWok
[19:58] <dman777_alter> how do I set ubuntu 20.04 to have all the utf8 locals in usa? this is what I want to set it to https://dpaste.org/cQHEB
[20:18] <zoomm10> dman777_alter: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[20:27] <dman777_alter> zoomm10: do I click every box on there?
[20:28] <zoomm10> dman777_alter: no, only en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8
[20:32] <dman777_alter> does it slow down the shell or the system if I have 2 many locals used?
[20:44] <zoomm10> dman777_alter: no
[20:47] <dman777_alter> zoomm10: thanks
[20:59] <Mike112> hey guys, I've just done a fresh install of ubuntu 23.04 (gnome 44.3) on my gaming laptop AMD Ryzen 7 3750H CPU with integrated GPU Radeon Vega 10, and discrete GPU nVidia GTX 1660Ti. I'm having trouble starting Steam
[21:00] <Mike112> when running steam via gnome, it loads, logs me in, and then freezes
[21:00] <Mike112> however, if i run steam via terminal, it works fine
[21:01] <Mike112> I've also noticed that if I run steam via gnome but by using right-click menu and "Launch using integrated GPU" it also works
[21:02] <Mike112> I previously set Prime profile to "Performance Mode" instead of the default "On-demand" mode, in Nvidia X server settings
[21:03] <Mike112> also, I installed steam using terminal and apt install steam-installer
[21:07] <Mike112> if I run this in terminal, steam also freezes: "__NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=nvidia steam"
[21:45] <Mike112> I think i solved the issue with Steam. I've reverted the nvidia x settings from "Performance" to "On-demand" so that Steam starts with iGPU
[21:46] <Mike112> it works now
[21:48] <matsaman> gj
[21:48] <janc_phone> \o/
[23:28] <jsmooth> I installed Ubuntu a few days ago onto a USB stick, after a few reboots, i got to a desktop, but Firefox wouldn't start. Then after a reboot, Firefox must be installed via snap. Attempt to install it got me an error that something isn't "seeded yet"...I don't know what to do.
[23:42] <toddc> jsmooth: usb is very slow to transfer data so once installed everything will happen much faster from the harddrive it upadte after 1st boot then all should be fine
[23:42] <toddc> updates
[23:44] <toddc> jsmooth: I do usually update and store updates a few minutes after first boot before looking for issues speed ect.


[00:50] <guiverc> read thru complete; two minor comments (opinion) made in gdoc Bashing-om
[01:12] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Wiki caught up :) Next !
[01:14] <guiverc> I don't see changes in wiki page
[01:15] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Ouch - lemme save the changes ! Silly me :(
[01:16] <Bashing-om> guiverc: OK now see the WIKI :D
[01:18] <guiverc> looks great Bashing-om , (quickly) rescaned everything again
[01:19] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Thanks, as always :D
[01:19] <guiverc> and thanks to you too, you're doing most of the work!
[03:12] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, Everything looks good, with krytarik and guiverc they are so much better at spotting issues with the newsletter when proof reading then I am there is not a lot point in me reading through it usually unless they are not available, I should be around tomorrow for publishing I will still be busy but I hope to take a break long enough to help
[03:16] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: There is only guiverc and I that work on getting UWN together - we can get to close to the subject to see the errors, though we proof read each other - we often miss things - and often times I have issues that I am not comfortable with the solutiuon I impose . A 3rd around is a good thing !
[03:19] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, okay
[03:20] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, it looks really good tonight
[03:22] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Thanks for the checking - A lot of time and effort to make it so - and with all that, errors can creep in :P
[03:23] <Wild_Man> You're welcome I wish I had more time but I am very busy but when I am busy I am more productive and organized because I have to apply time management skills that I do not use much when I have not been busy
[03:25] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Understand that - I too feel the better about life things when I get up and about and get these things done. ( and then focus on UWN )
[03:27] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I need to take a few minutes tomorrow to put some final touches on my wiki page
[03:28] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: organization there is the key - huh ?
[03:28] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, yes indeed
[03:30] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Speaking of which .. gots to run - laters :D
[03:30] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, later
[13:50] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: NVIDIA’s Ariel Kit Explains How NVIDIA BlueField DPUs Are Redefining Data Center Servic... @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/redefining-the-datacentre-with-dpus-nvidia
[13:50] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Canonical expands collaboration with NVIDIA to bring AI to the edge @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/nvidia-canonical-expand-partnership-to-edge
[17:08] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Ubuntu 20.10 Reveals Its New Wallpaper @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/09/ubuntu-20-10-default-wallpaper-revealed (by Joey Sneddon)
[18:53] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP" - checked logs and no further edits are known. Time to push 20:00 UTC.
[19:07] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Automatic Theme Installation for Snap Apps is Shaping Up Nicely [Video] @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/10/automatic-theme-installation-for-snap-apps-is-shaping-up-nicely-video (by Joey Sneddon)
[19:31] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, please let me know when I can publish to the fridge and social media I need to leave for a little while but I want to publish first
[19:33] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Well - I generally try to release at 3 PM my time - there is no reason that we can not push out now if ya need .
[19:34] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, if we can I would like to do it now
[19:34] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Gimme a few and I will let ya know the issue is available :D
[19:35] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, okay thanks!
[19:38] <Bashing-om> UWN: ubuntu-news@lists is away - doing the forum posting next. Wild_Man :D
[19:40] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forum post done - no issues seen. re-directs next :D
[19:47] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I jut found out I do not have this laptop setup completely I cn not pull the raw data from the wiki, I am sorry I do not have the time to get it working
[19:48] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: We await Chris - see if he is able then :)
[20:04] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs done - Pending is release to the Social Medias :D
[21:52] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Wildman is trying to set up for publishing - give us some time to see what is, please.
[21:52] <guiverc> no problem, I've not yet started, not got my 'cup-of-tea'
[21:53] <Wild_Man> Getting closer I think
[21:53] <Bashing-om> guiverc: proprietaries *Must* be observed :P
[22:05] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Still with issues to work out with Wild_Man's implementations - standby to roll, please.
[22:08] <guiverc> Not really standing by, dealing with askubu support & other things I do in mornings... call out if you need anything
[22:11] <Bashing-om> guiverc: wildman is out of time . mind pushing out to the medias ?
[22:15] <guiverc> push #651 to fridge Bashing-om ?
[22:16] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yup - push to the Fridge no known issues :D
[22:16] <guiverc> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/10/05/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-651/
[22:18] <Bashing-om> Fridge: checks as good to me :D
[22:20] <guiverc> tweeted
[22:31] <guiverc> fb posted
[22:32] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Good man that you are - shall we now do away with the evidence and start a new controversy ?
[22:32] <guiverc> :)  nicely put.. yep
[22:32] <Bashing-om> doing ^.
[22:43] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 651 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/10/05/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-651/
[22:45] <Bashing-om> Tomorrow starts the same ole thing again :P


[04:47] <mup> PR snapd#1978 closed: interfaces/builtin: allow network-manager to access netplan conf files <Critical> <Created by morphis> <Merged by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/1978>
[10:54] <techraf> join #gitlab
[16:43] <dz0ny_> ogra_: hi, I tried both your ubuntu-core(daily and 16sep one) images for rpi3 and none goes past systemd init
[16:44] <dz0ny_> current fails with cannot write hostname to writable partition
[16:44] <dz0ny_> and 16.sep one boots to berry logo...
[16:45] <dz0ny_> know issues or?
[17:29] <niemeyer> dz0ny_: ogra_ might be the best person to talk to, but he might not be around today
[17:30] <ogra_> funny that you say that :)
[17:30] <ogra_> dz0ny_, i just tried the pi3 image today and itworked just fine ... weird
[17:34] <ogra_> dz0ny_, there seems to be an issue if you do not have a netwiork cable plugged in (seemingly the kernel oopses if it tries to init the wlan) make sure you have that wired up
[17:37] <ogra_> dz0ny_, and seeing a comment on a bug from qengho the image seems to have worked for him too ... so we need more details about your specific setup (SD card, what peripherials are connected and how)... best woould be if you file a bug (assign it to me if you can) and attach a picture of the screen or some such
[17:38] <qengho> dz0ny_: where did you get that daily from?
[17:39] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/snappy/all-snaps/daily/current/ should definitely work atm.
[17:46] <dz0ny_> ogra_: eth connected same result, boots to 4 berries
[17:46] <dz0ny_> I tested on http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/snappy/all-snaps/daily/20160924.2/ubuntu-core-16-pi3.img.xz
[17:46] <dz0ny_> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/snappy/all-snaps/u-image-pi3.img.xz
[17:47] <ogra_> uhh, i need to delete tha latter, thats old crap
[17:47] <dz0ny_> testing eth  + http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/snappy/all-snaps/daily/current/ubuntu-core-16-pi3.img.xz now
[17:47] <dz0ny_> btw ext4 partition should be mountable?
[17:47] <dz0ny_> on image or not?
[17:48] <ogra_> yeah, 20160924.2 does not have the fix, only 20160925.1 does (which is the current "current"
[17:48] <ogra_> )
[17:48] <dz0ny_> lucky me :)
[17:48] <ogra_> the writable partition should always be mountable, else it wouldnt boot ;)
[18:01] <dz0ny_> ogra_: http://i.imgur.com/ExBodCA.png
[18:01] <dz0ny_> hm
[18:01] <qengho> I just re-verified the ogra pi3 that was online 2 hours ago is good for me.
[18:01] <dz0ny_> I tried two cards, enve usb key
[18:01] <dz0ny_> even*
[18:02] <dz0ny_> 287b8e735f9e6436c5e7954c1f6a3ce450178c7185741b91dcdd3229851432be  ubuntu-core-16-pi3.img.xz (current)
[18:03] <dz0ny_> can someone confirm that
[18:06] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/datengrab/images/snappy$ md5sum daily/20160925.1/ubuntu-core-16-pi3.img.xz
[18:06] <ogra_> a1abfa8b042c024023cc0e3efe8747d7  daily/20160925.1/ubuntu-core-16-pi3.img.xz
[18:06] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/datengrab/images/snappy$ sha1sum daily/20160925.1/ubuntu-core-16-pi3.img.xz
[18:06] <ogra_> 3d954eb76a05d4e3eeab4340df7fca34acff0b01  daily/20160925.1/ubuntu-core-16-pi3.img.xz
[18:06] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/datengrab/images/snappy$ sha512sum daily/20160925.1/ubuntu-core-16-pi3.img.xz
[18:06] <ogra_><PHONE_NUMBER>3c093f6629d2a86f5e6cf1eabf3c250ac7a4dafac080fa54247b86fb5de1543f94d6686b45f5aecdfe48162f73760e6166b402e73bd6cd70497858  daily/20160925.1/ubuntu-core-16-pi3.img.xz
[18:06] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/datengrab/images/snappy$
[18:06] <ogra_> the checksumes are also in the dir
[18:06] <ogra_> **checksums
[18:08] <ogra_> that looks like your download is corrupt or some such
[18:19] <dz0ny_> worked fine on first boot, went thru "install" & store info
[18:19] <ogra_> cool
[18:19] <dz0ny_> rebooted it, then this https://ton.twitter.com/i/ton/data/dm/780106986687963140/780106986713210881/1iZwh1Ki.jpg:large
[18:19] <ogra_> you waited until you had the "finish" button ?
[18:20] <dz0ny_> yep
[18:20] <ogra_> (the store stuff takes between 5-10 min)
[18:20] <dz0ny_> hm :)
[18:20] <dz0ny_> it was faster
[18:20] <dz0ny_> let me try again
[18:20] <ogra_> welll, perhaps a bit less ...
[18:20] <ogra_> serveral minutes
[18:21] <ogra_> the twitter link is broken, doesnt show anything
[18:21] <dz0ny_> ogra_: http://imgur.com/a/EFWL7
[18:22] <ogra_> network cable still plugged in ?
[18:22] <dz0ny_> yep
[18:22] <dz0ny_> I glanced starting snappy setup then poof
[18:23] <ogra_> i have only seen it oopsing on tteh wlan device (will discuss that with paolo tomorrow)
[18:23] <ogra_> can you ssh in ?
[18:23] <dz0ny_> I'll get serial console tomorrow so you can have full log
[18:23] <dz0ny_> ogra_: starting from scratch now :)
[18:23] <ogra_> what kind of SD card is that btw
[18:24] <dz0ny_> san disk ultra 16gb
[18:24] <dz0ny_> 10Mb class
[18:25] <ogra_> souds ok
[18:29] <dz0ny_> https://i.imgur.com/lTjkXis.jpg
[18:30] <ogra_> that looks good
[18:30] <dz0ny_> ogra_: so at this point is it expanding sdcard and downloading something?
[18:30] <ogra_> it actually only downloads your ssh key from launchpad
[18:30] <ogra_> and adds a user without passworrd to the system
[18:31] <dz0ny_> ahh
[18:31] <dz0ny_> yep this did not happen last time
[18:31] <ogra_> ?
[18:31] <dz0ny_> maybe add github support?
[18:31] <ogra_> there is no viasual indication of what it does
[18:31] <ogra_> it does that in the background and then shows the "finish" screen
[18:32] <dz0ny_> the started notify bootloader.. unit never ran
[18:32] <dz0ny_> mhm
[18:32] <ogra_> i have seen that on slow SD cards there are still some systemd jobs running afterwards, so give it time ...
[18:32] <ogra_> never just power it off, only reboot from the ssh login
[18:33] <dz0ny_> https://i.imgur.com/EZkcyxD.jpg
[18:33] <dz0ny_> yep never did
[18:33] <ogra_> beyond that it should work fine, surely did here for several tests
[18:34] <dz0ny_> barfed again just after i pressed enter
[18:34] <ogra_> anyway, my GF slays me if i dont go afk now :)
[18:34] <dz0ny_> (finsih button)
[18:34] <dz0ny_> ogra_: go :D
[18:34] <ogra_> i'm around tomorrow :)
[18:34] <dz0ny_> k:)
[20:15] <mup> PR snapd#1985 closed: progress: use New64 and fix output newline <Created by mvo5> <Merged by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/1985>
[20:37] <mup> PR snapd#1957 closed: many: add support for installing/removing multiple snaps <Created by mvo5> <Merged by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/1957>
[21:13] <mwhudson> grr the 96boards uart serial thingy doesn't work with my dragonboard either
[21:13] <mwhudson> i guess it must be a board problem
[23:46] <mup> PR snapd#1878 closed: snap: add `snap download --assertion model/16/canonical/pc-amd64` support <Created by mvo5> <Closed by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/1878>