[13:54] <charlie-tca__> Good morning
[15:09] <charlie-tca__> any recommendations for Ubuntu/Xubuntu on a PDA?
[15:19] <TheSheep> I'd go with something like matchbox...
[15:20] <TheSheep> http://www.linux-laptop.net/palmtops.html
[15:21] <charlie-tca__> thanks
[17:34] <charlie-tca__> Reminder - Xubuntu Community Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 25 minutes; everyone invited; agenda is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[17:35] <charlie-tca__> well, that's wrong. The meeting is in 1-1/2 hours at 19:00 UTC
[18:35] <charlie-tca> Reminder - Xubuntu Community Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 25 minutes; everyone invited; agenda is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[18:59] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, cody-somerville: Xubuntu Community Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting now, please
[19:33] <mr_pouit> hop, both forwarded
[19:37] <micahg> charlie-tca: do I have your ok to represent Xubuntu at the LTS meeting?
[19:38] <charlie-tca> yes, but be aware, I am on that team, too
[19:38] <micahg> charlie-tca: oh, if you'll be there, I won't worry then
[19:38] <charlie-tca> I welcome you're help
[19:38] <charlie-tca> Just let me know if I have to speak up ;-)
[19:39] <micahg> charlie-tca: ok, I think the main question that's specifically related to xubuntu that might come up is what arches to spin for the update, I'm guessing just i386 and amd64?
[19:39] <charlie-tca> I just mostly listen there
[19:40] <charlie-tca> yes, and the release contact for Xubuntu is myself
[19:41] <micahg> charlie-tca: ok, great
[19:41] <charlie-tca> micahg: I am learning...
[19:41] <micahg> charlie-tca: me too :)
[19:42] <micahg> charlie-tca: are there a lot of outstanding xubuntu bugs (untriaged)?
[19:43] <charlie-tca> no
[19:43] <charlie-tca> Never lots; somewhere around 250
[19:43] <micahg> ah, good
[19:44] <micahg> charlie-tca: well, relative to Ubuntu, not much, but still a lot, maybe we should schedule a bug day for xubuntu early next month?
[19:44] <charlie-tca> We try to stay on top of them. I knock them down to about 100 before each release
[19:44] <charlie-tca> We don't need it.
[19:45] <charlie-tca> It takes one person about 4 days to knock them down
[19:46] <micahg> charlie-tca: right, but do we have someone with 4 days time to do it?  A bug day invites new contributors and can possibly get it done in 1
[19:46] <charlie-tca> micahg: I only show about 125 bugs total reported against lucid
[19:46] <charlie-tca> and most of them are triaged or fixed already
[19:47] <micahg> charlie-tca: how are you searching?
[19:47] <charlie-tca> Let me think on it.
[19:47] <charlie-tca> I keep lists on my computer
[19:48] <charlie-tca> We are small enough to get away with that, still.
[19:50] <charlie-tca> item 4 of bug triage on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs will give you the new bugs in Xubuntu list
[19:50] <charlie-tca> Lucid bugs, I track manually
[19:50] <charlie-tca> Well, now natty bugs
[19:51] <micahg> well, there are 250 bugs on that list, but not all are xubuntu issues
[19:51] <charlie-tca> I know
[19:51] <charlie-tca> But some that are xubuntu aren't there, too
[19:52] <micahg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs shows 325 open issues
[19:52] <micahg> but idk how many are triaged since the package bugs search seems broke
[19:53] <charlie-tca> that doesn't mean we haven't touched them, though
[19:53] <micahg> right
[19:53] <micahg> charlie-tca: up to you, just an idea
[19:53] <charlie-tca> I mean, abiword has 47 bugs there, but most of those are triaged
[19:54] <micahg> BTW, link 3 on that wiki page should be the link I posted instead of the one there now
[19:54] <charlie-tca> 15 are in new status.
[19:54]  * micahg wishes +packagebugs was by status :-/
[19:55] <charlie-tca> Yup, I don't why there is an edge link
[19:56] <charlie-tca> That's why I use link 4. It is new only
[19:56] <micahg> charlie-tca: yeah, but that's not a complete list since it's a text search
[19:57] <charlie-tca> That's why mr_pouit and I go through both sets monthly or so
[19:57] <micahg> ok
[19:58] <charlie-tca> It's good to be small enough to do that
[19:58] <charlie-tca> fixed link 3
[19:58] <micahg> charlie-tca: thanks
[19:59] <charlie-tca> Thank you. I might not have even noticed it, since I have all those bookmarked
[20:03] <charlie-tca> It's good to have someone bringing things up that we tend to ignore
[20:10] <charlie-tca> micahg: Thank you for bringing up things I need to think about.
[20:10] <micahg> charlie-tca: glad to help
[20:11] <charlie-tca> Sometimes it is too easy to say "we do it this way..."


[00:29] <sem> hey arraybolt3 when you see this, can you remind me what that thing was called where you use ram for swap on lubuntu?
[00:33] <arraybolt3> sem: zram. https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/enabling-ram-compression-on-lubuntu/3323
[01:03] <sem> Thanks!


[06:16] <superfly> morning sakhi :-)
[06:17] <superfly> nuvolari: ping
[06:17] <nuvolari> superfly: pong
[06:52] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[06:52] <Kilos> note not supaflahh
[06:53] <superfly> good morning Kilos
[06:53] <Kilos> im not the nut she is
[06:54] <Kilos> lo Mzolisto
[06:56] <Kilos> oh ya tumbleweed is there a way to get back the right click format function on 12.04 unity
[06:56] <Kilos> for other plugged in drives etc
[06:56] <Kilos> and sticks
[06:56] <tumbleweed> Kilos: sorry, not a unity user
[06:57] <Kilos> lol is it available on kde?
[06:57] <Kilos> i gotta use unity too so i can help tara
[06:57] <tumbleweed> nor a KDE user
[06:58] <Kilos> oh my what do you use?
[06:58] <Kilos> and good morning to you too
[06:59] <tumbleweed> a weird mix of gnome-fallback and xmonad
[06:59] <Kilos> oh my
[07:13] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:13] <Kilos> hi mazal
[07:13] <mazal> Gaanit oom Kilos ?
[07:13] <Kilos> ok dankie en jy?
[07:15] <Kilos> sukkel net met skywe reg maak wat venster vuilgoed gebreek het
[07:15] <Kilos> en n p4 wat ook daarvan siek is
[07:17] <mazal> Raasie baie nie dankie.  :P
[09:02] <Kilos> whats this calibration area error of brasero
[09:02] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s20Ba6BBQQ
[09:04] <Kilos> i wanna put kubunt on a dvd because the usb stick adds more and more
[09:33] <Kilos> hi magtie
[09:38] <nuvolari> oom Kilos why do you want to do that?
[09:39] <nuvolari> keeping it on the usb means if you do stuff running from the USB and saving something, it will be available next time.
[09:39] <Kilos> because i got kde on stick but it remember that i didnt get nm working so doesnt even show the option to connect to 3 g
[09:39] <Kilos> sigh
[09:39] <nuvolari> ooh
[09:39] <nuvolari> not a bootable USB?
[09:39] <Kilos> lol so i want a basic install with nothing remembered
[09:39] <Kilos> ya
[09:40] <nuvolari> meh, I'm not sure how one should proceed. It's been ages since I wrote to a DVD :P
[09:41] <Kilos> brasero normally does it with no prob
[09:41] <Kilos> on maverick anyway
[09:42] <Kilos> i dont know if there is perhaps something extra i must install
[09:42] <Kilos> grr
[10:35] <Kilos> wb superfly
[10:35] <superfly> silly freenode
[10:37] <Kilos> hehe
[10:40] <nuvolari> :-/ production support sucks
[10:40] <nuvolari> I can't take the stress :P
[10:41] <nuvolari> ok, going te the shops quick. bbiab
[11:36] <mazal> What's the command to kill a task ?
[11:36] <nuvolari> kill
[11:36] <nuvolari> :P
[11:36] <Kilos> hehe
[11:36] <nuvolari> force-kill is kill -9
[11:36] <nuvolari> there's also a killall
[11:36] <mazal> I'm trying to kill thunderbird in terminal
[11:36] <nuvolari> and xkill if you just want to zap it with a cursor
[11:36] <mazal> But doesn't want to work
[11:37] <Kilos> there is a program called force quit
[11:37] <Kilos> dunno if later ubuntu's have it though
[11:37] <mazal> "arguments must be process or job IDs"
[11:37] <nuvolari> mazal: if you have a process ID and kill doesn't work, use kill -9 PID
[11:37] <mazal> So I can't give the name thunderbird ?
[11:37] <Kilos> it puts an icon inna panel then you tick it and tick what you wanna kill
[11:38] <mazal> I'm writing a backup script and want it to kill thunderbird when it starts
[11:39] <mazal> But process id will be different everytime , so wanted to use the name
[11:39] <nuvolari> mazal: kill -9 12345
[11:39] <nuvolari> oh, process name
[11:39] <nuvolari> do you have the proccess name?
[11:40] <nuvolari> I think you can then use killall process-name-here
[11:40] <mazal> How can I see the process name ?
[11:40] <nuvolari> ps aux | grep thunderbird
[11:41] <nuvolari> will give you more info about the running thunderbird process(es)
[11:42] <mazal> mazal     3038  0.1  1.0<PHONE_NUMBER>92 ?       Sl   09:11   0:22 /usr/lib/thunderbird/thunderbird
[11:42] <mazal> mazal     4210  0.0  0.0  13588   916 pts/2    S+   13:40   0:00 grep --color=auto thunderbird
[11:43] <nuvolari> the first one is your thunderbird process
[11:43] <nuvolari> wonder why it's running from /usr/lib :?
[11:44] <mazal> I added the whole path to the kill command but don't work
[11:53] <nuvolari> mazal: kill or killall?
[11:53] <mazal> kill
[11:54] <nuvolari> afaik you can provide process name to killall, but kill requires the process id
[11:55] <mazal> Ah !!!!!!!!!
[11:55] <mazal> Thanx man :)
[11:55] <nuvolari> ossum :>
[11:55] <nuvolari> is it working?
[11:56] <mazal> Manually yes , will see now in the script
[11:57] <mazal> Yes it works :)
[11:57] <nuvolari> great
[11:58] <mazal> Noe just a little crontab
[12:43] <Kilos> you okes too clever
[12:58] <superfly> mazal: it is better to use "kill" than "kill -9" if you want the app to exit properly
[12:59] <superfly> in the case of TB, you may find your mail inaccessible because TB didn't have a chance to tidy up behind itself when you killed it with -9
[13:04] <mazal> superfly, I use kilall on it now
[13:10] <magespawn> afternoon all
[13:10] <magespawn> anybody know anything about cpanel?
[13:10] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[13:11] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[13:14] <superfly> magespawn: a little
[13:15] <magespawn> i am looking at MyIT CRM and one of the install steps requires cPanel to set up the MySql database
[13:15] <magespawn> surely i could just set up a new databse?
[13:15] <magespawn> database
[13:17] <magespawn> cPanel is just a control panel isn't it?
[13:19] <Banlam> magespawn
[13:19] <Banlam> i know cpanel
[13:19] <Banlam> what do you need to do?
[13:20] <magespawn> Banlam see above
[13:21] <Banlam> you want to setup a MySQL databse?
[13:21] <Banlam> you just scroll down to databases on your cpanel homepage
[13:21] <Banlam> and click MyQLDatabases
[13:21] <Banlam> create a user, create a database, assign user to database
[13:22] <magespawn> the MyIT CRM requires me to install cpanel to set up its MySQL database, which seems a bit strange
[13:22] <Banlam> oh
[13:22] <magespawn> i want to just set up the database
[13:22] <Banlam> you shouldn't have to, if you can do it from phpmyadmin, or the console
[13:22] <magespawn> thats what i thought, but wanted to check first
[13:23] <magespawn> cPanel licence is expensive
[13:23] <Banlam> with my shared hosting, i can't create databases or users from phpmyadmin, so i have to do it through cPanel
[13:24] <magespawn> this is all going on to a pc in my shop, so i can do pretty much anything
[13:24] <magespawn> including wreck the thing and start again lol
[13:25] <Banlam> :)
[13:55] <Kilos> is there a link to watch the rugby online from aus guys
[13:55] <Kilos> their foxtel not showing sa and scotland live so tara shking
[14:00] <Kilos> shaking too
[14:02] <Vince-0> i use myp2p
[14:02] <Vince-0> have to do some digging - what time is the match
[14:21] <Kilos> pretty soon Vince-0 \
[14:21] <Kilos> whats myp2p
[14:21] <Kilos> can she get it there in aus
[14:24] <mazal> Hoe laat skop hulle af ? Sal maar op radio 2000 luister
[14:24] <Kilos> 5 minute
[14:25] <Kilos> if you can stream youtube you can stream rugger too
[14:25] <Kilos> ?
[14:25] <Kilos> right
[14:26] <Kilos> they singing anthems now
[14:28] <mazal> Have tuned in
[14:40] <Vince-0> scotland/SA :
[14:40] <Vince-0> http://www.rojadirecta.me/goto/www.castalba.tv/channel/11598
[14:40] <Vince-0> http://www.liveflash.tv/wdcvfgtgtyujkgerery#www.rojadirecta.me
[14:40] <Vince-0> expect ads,
[14:40] <Vince-0> look for the small X box
[14:50] <Kilos> ty Vince-0
[14:54] <mazal> Thanx Vince-0
[14:56] <magespawn> I am out of here, enjoy the rugby. cheers
[14:56] <Kilos> toods magespawn
[15:02] <Vince-0> quality feed!
[15:02] <Vince-0> scot commentators are great
[15:19] <mazal> First time ever I watch rugby on internet
[15:44] <Vince-0> pirate feeds ftw, and broadband
[15:44] <Vince-0> there's also watchseries
[15:44] <Vince-0> but its messy and popups
[16:11] <Frankko> May i ask a non ubuntu related question?
[16:11] <Frankko> or is it strictly prohibited?
[16:14] <Frankko> I was reading up on currency unions, and south africa has a close relationship with Swaziland and Lesotho with the Swaziland pound or what it is called pegged to the ZA Rand. And rand accepted legal tender in both countries, does ZA venues accept Swazi and lesotho currencies as well?
[16:14] <Frankko> or is it a one way street
[16:14] <Tonberry> not that I have ever heard of
[16:15] <Tonberry> its a one way street with namibia
[16:15] <Frankko> is it like the Euro in sweden? Not accepted unless large amounts, or in the border towns
[16:15] <Frankko> euro coins in sweden is not legal tender.
[16:15] <Tonberry> maybe one or two smaller places close to the border would accept it
[16:16] <Frankko> oh ok.
[16:16] <Tonberry> but there is no requirement
[16:16] <Tonberry> yes not legal tender here
[16:16] <Frankko> Tonberry: thankyou for helping me understand
[16:16] <Frankko> but as it is pegged to the rand, there would be no loss in sales, right?
[16:17] <Frankko> in terms of PP
[16:17] <Tonberry> i think the admin would just be too much of a pain
[16:17] <Tonberry> i don't live close to any of those borders so i've never really thought about it
[16:18] <Frankko> yeah i get that.. considering that many people work in ZA that are not natives (in the broader term) do they get payed in rand or in their currency of where they commute from?
[16:19] <Tonberry> i would assume rand since getting other currencies would be quite a hassle
[16:20] <Frankko> swedes that work in demark, norway and finland mostly only accept payment in SEK (swedish currency) as fluctuations in the norwegian and danish krona, as well as the euro might make the salaries worth a lot less back at home.
[16:21] <Frankko> As the swedish krona is a lot more stable than we would like
[16:22] <Frankko> inflation is a problem, not our inflation but our neghbours and trade partners. The USD has gone from a 11SEK high to a 6SEK now. The euro from 12SEK to 8SEK..
[16:22] <Frankko> if working in finland that is a large % pay drop
[16:23] <Frankko> and the SEK has lost value against gold and other materiasl, but soo much less than the mentioned other currencies.
[16:24] <Tonberry> i have to disappear now, dinner and all
[16:24] <Frankko> How does ZA counter the value of the rand to the gold price, as ZA is perhaps the largest gold exporter.
[16:24] <Frankko> ok. no problem
[16:26] <Frankko> ZA is such an interesting country.
[16:52] <Kilos> inetpro, whats happening with them weeds
[16:55] <Kilos> sudo aptitude purge weeds
[17:11] <Kilos> hi hubx
[17:11] <Kilos> wbb
[17:13] <hubx> hi :)
[17:20] <Kilos> nuvolari, k3b burned the kde iso for me
[17:20] <Kilos> dunno what was brasero's prob
[17:22] <mazal> You going to kde Kilos ?
[17:23] <Kilos> i have been on kde for a while. thought id give it a try
[17:23] <Kilos> i have one drive with unity and one with kubuntu
[17:23] <Kilos> both 12.04
[17:24] <mazal> Why not just add kde to your main install ?
[17:25] <Kilos> you mean dual boot?
[17:25] <mazal> Nope
[17:26] <Kilos> i actually have 12.04 install with unity then installed kubuntu-full
[17:26] <mazal> You can add any of the desktops with sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop etc.
[17:26] <Kilos> because i couldnt get kde to see my modem
[17:27] <Kilos> no i believe in apartheid
[17:27] <Kilos> hehe
[17:27] <mazal> lol
[17:27] <Kilos> didnt want unity to mess with kde or vice versa
[17:28] <mazal> Personally my second choice was Xubuntu , better than kde
[17:28] <mazal> I was on that for a while when Unity started
[17:28] <mazal> Was pretty happy with it
[17:29] <Kilos> 11.04 xubuntu put me off
[17:29] <Kilos> had lotsa hassles
[17:29] <mazal> I can't even remember what version I used
[17:29] <Kilos> kde isnt that bad
[17:29] <Kilos> just takes getting used to
[17:30] <Kilos> better than unity in lotsa respects
[17:30] <mazal> Kubuntu was very buggy with me
[17:30] <Kilos> only didnt have sound in xchat otherwise its good
[17:30] <mazal> xchat has sound ?
[17:31] <Kilos> ya man dodo
[17:31] <Kilos> settings
[17:31] <Kilos> alerts
[17:32] <zeref> gnome-shell gnome-shell gnome-shell
[17:32]  * zeref runs
[17:32] <Kilos> tick all 3 in top 2 rows and last 2 in last 2 rows
[17:32] <Kilos> hehe
[17:32] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:32] <Kilos> wbb
[17:34] <mazal> zeref, is that normal gnome 3 ?
[17:34] <zeref> yep
[17:35] <mazal> Don't really know it
[17:36] <zeref> for me it's awesome. very simple.
[17:36] <zeref> when i first started using linux, i was all about configuring
[17:37] <zeref> now i just want a comp that works
[17:37] <mazal> I know the feeling , I want as few hassles as possible
[17:38] <superfly> that's why I use KDE. :-P
[17:39] <zeref> yeah, I've not installed a single gnome-extemsion
[17:39] <superfly> having said that, I'm considering moving to debian with kde
[17:39] <mazal> Is it true that debian is difficult and not user friendly ?
[17:39] <zeref> not really
[17:40] <mazal> I've read that just to get it installed is a mission
[17:40] <zeref> nooit
[17:40] <zeref> very easy
[17:41] <zeref> I'll be moving to debian as well soon
[17:41] <mazal> Don't like ubuntu anymore ?
[17:42] <nuvolari> meh. why is everyone jumping ship now? I wanted to do that some time ago :P
[17:42] <nuvolari> but then features won't be cutting edge :-/
[17:42] <nuvolari> not that I worry about that any more
[17:44] <zeref> nah I'll use debian testing
[17:44] <zeref> very similar to the 6 mont releases
[17:44] <zeref> s/mont/month
[17:48] <Vince-0> there's pear and mint
[17:49] <Vince-0> the big deal is the guis - i like a workable dock bar
[17:50] <Kilos> lol at the fly
[17:52] <Kilos> ill stay with ubuntu as long as i can then go tinycorelinux
[17:52] <mazal> I don't really want to start learning from scratch again , so will stay
[17:52] <mazal> Took me too long to learn ubuntu
[17:52] <Kilos> ubuntu be lekker man
[17:53] <Kilos> what happened to trixie
[17:53] <Kilos> oh my
[17:53] <Kilos> slitaz crashed?
[17:54] <zeref> mazal: from ubuntu>>debian
[17:54] <zeref> not that much learning
[17:55] <Kilos> debian has deb-delta that works
[17:55] <Kilos> so 80% less data downloaded
[17:56] <mazal> btw oom Kilos , I see that I use xchat-gnome , that's prob why I don't have sounds
[17:57] <Kilos> nee man thats the wrong one
[17:57] <Kilos> gnome xchat sucks
[17:57] <mazal> hhehehe
[17:57] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install xchat
[17:58] <Kilos> the fly told me to get xchat like 100 years ago
[17:58] <Kilos> but he uses quassel
[17:58] <mazal> Lemme put that on quick
[17:59] <Kilos> then you can get xchat-blinklight i think its called
[17:59] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:59] <Kilos> all gone
[18:01] <Kilos> wb mazal
[18:01] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:01]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[18:01] <mazal> Looks much the same
[18:02] <Kilos> similar
[18:02] <Kilos> like a ferrari and a fiat uno
[18:02] <Kilos> got 4 wheels
[18:02] <Kilos> have you got the panels left and right
[18:02] <mazal> Options are very different though
[18:03] <mazal> More options
[18:03] <Kilos> channels left and nicks on the right
[18:03] <mazal> Yep
[18:05] <Kilos> ok settings preferences
[18:05] <Kilos> alerts
[18:05] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[18:05] <mazal> I've already done it :)
[18:05] <Kilos> xchat must bloep when your nick mentioned
[18:05] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[18:05] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[18:05] <Kilos> mazal, hi
[18:06] <mazal> no bloep
[18:06] <Kilos> does it bloep you?
[18:06] <Kilos> uh oh
[18:06] <Kilos> nee man xchat works
[18:06] <Kilos> just not in kubuntu
[18:06] <Kilos> what you done wrong
[18:07]  * mazal shrugs
[18:07] <Kilos> oh try install um
[18:07] <Kilos> um
[18:07] <Kilos> er\where is neil
[18:07]  * Kilos cries
[18:07] <Kilos> install mplayer
[18:07] <mazal> Already installed
[18:07] <Kilos> he had to do that
[18:08] <Kilos> oh my
[18:08] <mazal> No wait
[18:08] <Kilos> have you got synaptic?
[18:08] <Kilos> hi smile4ever
[18:08] <mazal> Looks like I didn't add it in this install
[18:09] <smile4ever> hi Kilos :)
[18:09] <mazal> No I was right , it is installed already
[18:09] <mazal> Hi smile4ever
[18:10] <smile4ever> mazal: Have you slept well? :)
[18:10] <mazal> Yep thanx and you smile4ever  ? ;)
[18:11] <smile4ever> yeah :D
[18:11]  * smile4ever did much homework today :)
[18:11] <mazal> What did you work on ?
[18:12] <Kilos> mazal, didnt it say you gotta restart xchat
[18:12] <mazal> Nope
[18:13] <Kilos> try it
[18:13] <mazal> The pop-up messages in the indicators works , just not the beep
[18:14] <Kilos> wb mazal
[18:14] <Kilos> still nothing?\
[18:14] <mazal> Now the pop-up messages also don't work lol
[18:14] <smile4ever> mazal: Website, maths :p
[18:14] <Kilos> they work when you somewhere else
[18:15] <mazal> smile4ever, I used to like algebra , but hated the rest
[18:15] <Kilos> oh i asked have you got synaptic mazal
[18:15] <mazal> So I must minimize first ?
[18:15] <Kilos> no man
[18:15] <Kilos> be on another workspace
[18:16] <Kilos> you only use 1?
[18:16] <mazal> Yep
[18:16] <Kilos> eish
[18:16] <Kilos> actually i think there is an #xchat channel
[18:17] <Kilos> you on 12.04 or 10
[18:17] <mazal> 04
[18:17] <mazal> 10 is terrible
[18:17] <Kilos> just tell them
[18:17] <Kilos> lol
[18:17] <Kilos> lemme see if there be such a channel
[18:18] <smile4ever> mazal: lol :p
[18:18] <Kilos> ya 145 peeps there
[18:18] <mazal> oi
[18:18] <Kilos> tell them your xchat in 12.04 has no sound in alerts
[18:18] <smile4ever> I'm in the last degree of my secondary school, so it's advanced already :P
[18:18] <smile4ever> last degree => last year
[18:19] <mazal> My head hurts just thinking of studying
[18:19] <Kilos> lol
[18:19] <Kilos> mazal, /j #xchat
[18:19] <mazal> Jig I didn't like it at all hey , always left my homework till the last minute
[18:20] <Kilos> its their job to help with xchat probs
[18:20]  * mazal gonna take break first
[18:21] <Kilos> careful what you break
[18:21] <mazal> Is ok , I got backups lol
[18:21] <Kilos> lol
[18:21] <Kilos> wow hard to believe xchat has no sound in unity
[18:22] <smile4ever> Kilos: neither ChatZilla does :(
[18:22] <Kilos> eish
[18:22] <smile4ever> mazal: what are you today these days? :)
[18:22] <smile4ever> why the sound isn't working? :s
[18:22] <Kilos> he hasnt had it in xchat
[18:22] <Kilos> didnt know there is sound
[18:31] <smile4ever> oh i see ;)
[18:31] <mazal> ib
[18:31] <smile4ever> A friend of mine hasn't got sound in ChatZilla (which for sure does have sound) & xchat (of which i'm unsure)
[18:32] <mazal> smile4ever, I don't quite understand that question ?
[18:33] <smile4ever> mazal: Well, I would like to have sound in ChatZilla :)
[18:33] <Kilos> oops power gone
[18:33] <smile4ever> or xchat
[18:33] <Kilos> will be back when power returns
[18:33] <Kilos> be good
[18:34] <mazal> K oom Kilos
[18:37] <mazal> I wonder if uninstalling xchat-gnome would help
[18:57] <Kilos> any luck mazal
[18:58] <mazal> Nope
[18:58] <Kilos> eish i cry when i cant hear bloeps
[18:58] <Kilos> its called bell.ogg
[18:58] <mazal> But , I see in the settings under "sounds" there is alot of sound settings and a sounds folder
[18:58] <smile4ever> https://sourceforge.net/p/notepad-plus/bugs/4065/ :o
[18:59] <mazal> I don't even have such a sounds folder
[18:59] <Kilos> oh ya you can set it to use external sounds too
[18:59] <Kilos> just point it to bell.ogg
[19:00] <Kilos> search its there
[19:00] <mazal> There is no sound files
[19:00] <mazal> There is no sound folder
[19:00] <Kilos> wait i look
[19:00] <Kilos> type bell.ogg in dash
[19:01] <Kilos> maybe if you open it you will see its path
[19:01] <mazal> nothing
[19:01] <mazal> I think that must be added extra it seems
[19:01] <mazal> But I dunno how
[19:01] <Kilos> oh my goodnes what havent you installed
[19:01] <Kilos> maybe in pulse files
[19:01] <mazal> I even checked if there is a xchat-sounds package or something , but nothing of that sort
[19:01] <Kilos> have you got alsa
[19:02] <Kilos> you havent removed any pulseaudio files?
[19:02] <mazal> Nope
[19:02] <Kilos> oh my
[19:02] <mazal> Didn't add or remove any audio stuff
[19:02] <Kilos> hey have you got synaptic
[19:03] <mazal> yep
[19:03] <Kilos> third time im asking
[19:03] <Kilos> open and type xchat
[19:03] <mazal> That's where I checked and made sure I installed everything of xchat
[19:04] <mazal> It has 3 packages , xchat , xchat-common and , xchat system indicator
[19:04] <Kilos> no man not everything
[19:04] <Kilos> kill the gnome one
[19:04] <mazal> Already did
[19:04] <Kilos> oh ya
[19:05] <Kilos> Maaz, google no alerts sound in xchat on 12.04
[19:05] <Maaz> Kilos: "Llovizna: Installing xchat-gnome from the source, on Ubuntu 12.04 ..." http://kkpradeeban.blogspot.com/2012/07/installing-xchat-gnome-from-source-on.html :: "Shallow Thoughts : : programming" http://shallowsky.com/blog/programming/index.html :: "Modify Ubuntu - Ubuntu 12.04 Tips/Tricks" http://modifyubuntu.com/ :: "QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta2 -
[19:05] <Maaz> Ubuntu Wiki" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta2 :: "QuantalQue…
[19:05] <Kilos> ai
[19:06] <Kilos> maybe the xchat peeps will have an idea soon
[19:06] <Kilos> they still not answered
[19:07] <mazal> It seems to me that the sounds is not added by default
[19:07] <Kilos> it always works for me
[19:07] <Kilos> only neil had to install mplayer
[19:07] <mazal> Do you have that sounds folder ?
[19:08] <Kilos> mine works without mplayer even'
[19:08] <mazal> /home/username/.xchat2/sounds ?
[19:08] <Kilos> ya in home i think
[19:09] <mazal> Mine only has a scrollback and a logs folder
[19:09] <Kilos> no must be a sound one too
[19:09] <Kilos> but its empty but points to bell.ogg
[19:10] <mazal> Which setting points to bell ?
[19:10] <Kilos> mine has 2 folders and 9 files
[19:11] <mazal> Which event
[19:11] <Kilos> sound.conf
[19:12] <Kilos> sudo aptitude purge xcha
[19:12] <Kilos> xchat
[19:12] <Kilos> the sudo aptitude install xchat
[19:12] <Kilos> you carrying bugs from the gnome thing
[19:13] <Kilos> theres a notify.conf too
[19:14] <Kilos> but they got nothing in
[19:14] <Kilos> or hidden stuff
[19:14] <mazal> Both my sound.conf and notify.conf is empty files
[19:14] <Kilos> mine too
[19:15] <Kilos> they never have anything inside them
[19:15] <mazal> Where do you see the bell.ogg setting ?
[19:15] <Kilos> but if you dont have bell.ogg then it cant play
[19:16] <Kilos> sjoe we hunted for days
[19:16] <Kilos> ask inetpro
[19:16] <Kilos> lemme see if i can find a path
[19:17] <Kilos> where is the search tool in unity
[19:18] <Kilos> the bell.ogg file opens with rythmbox
[19:18] <Kilos> rhythmbox
[19:18] <mazal> Ag is ok oom Kilos , I'll try again on another day
[19:18] <Kilos> maybe you aint got that
[19:18] <mazal> Is moeg nou
[19:18] <Kilos> ok lekker slaap
[19:18] <Kilos> hehe
[19:19] <Kilos> would bug me
[19:19] <mazal> Is not that important to me
[19:19] <Kilos> we will find it somethime
[19:19] <Kilos> just see you got rhytmbox installed
[19:20] <Kilos> whew that hard word to spell
[19:20] <mazal> We will beat it on another day ;)
[19:20] <Kilos> ok
[19:20] <mazal> Lekker slaap oom Kilos
[19:20] <Kilos> ill try find where bell.ogg is
[19:20] <mazal> Sleep well everyone
[19:20] <Kilos> nag seun
[19:21] <mazal> Have a blessed evening
[19:32] <inetpro> so superfly, maybe we should just start a debian-za channel, or does it even exist?
[19:32] <superfly> inetpro: debian doesn't have locos
[19:33] <inetpro> we can always start them?
[19:33] <smile4ever> doei :p
[19:33] <inetpro> btw, good evening to everyone
[19:34] <inetpro> but perhaps we should just do the community thing as part of glug
[19:34] <smile4ever> good night :)
[19:34] <inetpro> smile4ever: goeie nag
[19:34] <smile4ever> dankie! :)
[19:35] <Kilos> lo inetpro
[19:35] <Kilos> answer
[19:35] <inetpro> will be a sad day when superfly is no longer part of ubuntu-za
[19:35] <superfly> inetpro: since when am I leaving?!?!
[19:35] <inetpro> lol
[19:36] <inetpro> superfly: I was just thinking ahead
[19:36] <Kilos> grrr
[19:36] <Kilos> stop it you two
[19:36] <Kilos> you going nowhere
[19:36] <inetpro> Kilos: he wants to use debian
[19:36] <Kilos> yes i saw but he will always be here
[19:36] <inetpro> ahh, ok
[19:36] <inetpro> :-)
[19:37] <Kilos> and you as well
[19:37] <inetpro> Kilos: hoe gaan dit?
[19:37] <Kilos> so whats happening with grass/weeds
[19:37] <Kilos> goed dankie en jy?
[19:37]  * inetpro should perhaps also try debian kde for a change
[19:38] <inetpro> Kilos: they dying slowly
[19:38] <Kilos> as well man not for a change
[19:38] <Kilos> yay
[19:38] <Kilos> magic poison that
[19:38] <inetpro> but I need t repeat some places where I clearly missed them, I think
[19:38] <Kilos> they only die when it gets to the roots
[19:38] <inetpro> need to repeat
[19:38] <Kilos> yes dont let any seed
[19:39] <inetpro> many had seeds already
[19:39] <Kilos> you will still get new ones yearly though. the seeds can lie for 7 years till things are good for them
[19:40] <inetpro> so I guess I shall still spend some time killing the stuff for good over next two years
[19:40] <Kilos> i think its seven
[19:40] <inetpro> sjoe
[19:40] <Kilos> some other weeds seeds can lie 20 years till things good like plowing in
[19:40] <inetpro> Kilos: now that is some good motivation
[19:40] <inetpro> :-(
[19:41] <Kilos> onkruid
[19:41] <Kilos> no man 2 years and you will have them
[19:41] <Kilos> next year spray early
[19:41] <Kilos> im not sure if seeds there already still grow
[19:42] <inetpro> I want to get some topsoil when I have a bit of moola
[19:43] <Kilos> sjoe make sure it isnt also fulla weed seeds
[19:43] <inetpro> think I need to treat the lawn with some 2-3-2 and topsoil
[19:43] <Kilos> just try first with lan/kan
[19:44] <inetpro> ya but it must get into the ground
[19:44] <Kilos> and make an area where you burn all dead branches and grass etc and sprinkle the ash on lawn and water in
[19:44] <inetpro> how do I do that on the lawn?
[19:44] <Kilos> lan/kan waters in
[19:44] <inetpro> ah
[19:45] <Kilos> its the potas that doesnt
[19:45] <inetpro> ok
[19:45] <Kilos> pnp
[19:45] <inetpro> next month
[19:45] <Kilos> last be must be dug in
[19:45] <Kilos> las p
[19:45] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:45] <Kilos> last p
[19:45] <Kilos> first 2 are water soluble
[19:45] <inetpro> ok
[19:46] <Kilos> but ash is good
[19:46] <inetpro> that's the thing
[19:46] <Kilos> natures way of feeding the veldt
[19:46] <inetpro> I think I need some potash
[19:46] <Kilos> expensive i think
[19:46] <inetpro> sadly
[19:47] <Kilos> dolomitic lime is also good
[19:47]  * inetpro will take it a step at a time
[19:47] <Kilos> dont you have lotsa dead branches etc
[19:47] <inetpro> many
[19:47] <Kilos> any wood ash is good
[19:47] <inetpro> you burn then?
[19:48] <Kilos> thats how the big boss feeds the veldt
[19:48] <Kilos> ya fire
[19:48] <inetpro> hmm... ok
[19:48] <Kilos> and ash on lawn and plants and veggies garden
[19:48] <Kilos> waste not want not
[19:49] <inetpro> Kilos: where's tara?
[19:49] <Kilos> havent you noticed how lekker the veldt grows after a fire
[19:49] <Kilos> sleeping
[19:49] <Kilos> still battling
[19:49] <inetpro> hmm... time to wake up
[19:50] <inetpro> almost 7
[19:50] <inetpro> sun must be shining already
[19:50] <Kilos> ya but they watched rugby till 2 or 3 am
[19:50] <inetpro> sjow
[19:50] <Kilos> lol
[19:50] <Kilos> they rugby mad
[19:50]  * inetpro didn't watch
[19:50] <inetpro> what happened?
[19:51] <Kilos> we beat the scots 21/10
[19:51] <inetpro> ahh, mooi!
[19:51] <Kilos> but play was not up to standard
[19:54] <Kilos> i put kubuntu on a dvd
[19:55] <Kilos> the stick remembering stuff is no good
[19:55] <Kilos> unless you get first install right'
[19:55] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm not sure but I think there is a way around that
[19:55] <Kilos> anyway i go sleep now
[19:55] <Kilos> oh
[19:55] <inetpro> you can make it not remember
[19:56] <inetpro> but I have not tried it, yet
[19:56] <Kilos> oh where it said something about 1g to remember settings or something
[19:56] <Kilos> will have a look sometims
[19:56] <Kilos> time too
[19:56] <Kilos> night guys sleep tight
[19:56] <inetpro> Kilos: even then you should be able to make it read only
[19:57] <inetpro> goeie nag oom
[19:57] <Kilos> still nou man
[19:57] <Kilos> lol
[19:57] <Kilos> see yous morrow or so
[19:57] <Kilos> be good
[22:04] <diplodok> hi
[22:04] <diplodok> what is the temperature in south africa now
[22:04] <diplodok> ?
[22:05] <Banlam> whereabout
[22:05] <Banlam> and you mean, right now
[22:05] <Banlam> in the middle of the night
[22:05] <diplodok> Banlam: generally
[22:05] <Banlam> any specific area?
[22:05] <Banlam> but it's going inot summer
[22:05] <diplodok> Banlam: i have a flight to south africa in tuesday
[22:05] <Banlam> so it's warming up
[22:06] <Banlam> +20s are to be expected most days
[22:06] <diplodok> Banlam: you have a summer now?
[22:06] <Banlam> yip
[22:06] <Banlam> it's the southern hemisphere
[22:06] <Banlam> that's how the earth works :)
[22:06] <diplodok> Banlam: i know. i was there many times :-)
[22:06] <Banlam> .pl, is that poland?
[22:07] <Banlam> :)
[22:07] <diplodok> Banlam: yes
[22:07] <Banlam> cool, had any snow lately?
[22:07] <Banlam> or still waiting for winter to really hit in
[22:07] <diplodok> Banlam: so far no, but we are expecting some snow. temperature now is around 0
[22:07] <Banlam> nice
[22:08] <Banlam> diplodok, where in SA are you going to be staying? Joburg?
[22:08] <diplodok> Banlam|;how about seaside, is there strong winds in this part of the year? i will join the vessel in cape town
[22:09] <Banlam> cape town, good choice
[22:09] <Banlam> also, join the vessel, sounds epic
[22:09] <Banlam> there can be strong winds
[22:09] <diplodok> Banlam: i was there. in south africa i was in johanesburg, durban and cape town
[22:09] <Banlam> a few weeks ago there were some hectic winds
[22:10] <Banlam> but in general there'll be  alight wind
[22:10] <diplodok> Banlam: in capetown yopu have beautiful landscape. those mountains straight from the sea are great !!
[22:10] <Banlam> :) no arguing from my side
[22:11] <diplodok> Banlam: nice place for this part of the year :-)
[22:12] <Banlam> for sure
[22:12] <Banlam> if i may ask, what 'vessel' will you be joining?
[22:12] <diplodok> Banlam: better than in Poland now
[22:12] <diplodok> Banlam: container ship
[22:12] <diplodok> Banlam: i have to conduct that vessel to vietnam, to deliver it to new owner
[22:12] <Banlam> that's qutie a voyage
[22:12] <Banlam> quite*
[22:13] <diplodok> Banlam: three weeks at sea
[22:13] <Banlam> where has the ship come from?
[22:13] <diplodok> Banlam: then i will take money to my pocket and  will back home
[22:13] <Banlam> :P
[22:13] <diplodok> Banlam: to be at the christmas time at home
[22:14] <diplodok> Banlam: from Angola
[22:14] <Banlam> ok
[22:14] <Banlam> and home is poland?
[22:14] <diplodok> Banlam: she was in constant service between luanda and cabinda
[22:14] <diplodok> Banlam: yep
[22:14] <Banlam> i had to google cabinda
[22:15] <diplodok> Banlam: it's angolan city
[22:15] <Banlam> so i see :)
[22:16] <diplodok> Banlam: ok... i have to go. many thanks for help!
[22:16] <Banlam> no problem, safe sailing
[22:16] <Banlam> do you guys hug the coast
[22:16] <Banlam> or cut straight acrtoss the indian?
[22:17] <diplodok> Banlam: it depends how second officer will plan a route
[22:17] <Banlam> ok, well watch out for the pirates
[22:17] <diplodok> Banlam: fou shure strait acros the ocean
[22:17] <diplodok> Banlam: but i don't know details. eg. if will be close to mauritius and reunion
[22:17] <Banlam> ok, no pirates then
[22:17] <Banlam> kk
[22:18] <diplodok> Banlam: i'm not so shure regarding to the pirates, somalis probably not but we will sail through the malacca strait and there are also pirates
[22:18] <Banlam> ok
[22:18] <diplodok> from sa to malacca strait, then singapur strait and southeren china sea
[22:19] <Banlam> exciting
[22:19] <diplodok> but ofcourse most bad is area close to somali coast
[22:20] <diplodok> Banlam: ok... thanks and bye :-)


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[03:01] <sentix> Hello, for anyone that is awake, I was curious if launchpad is completely a Bream web app or mixed zope 2 and something else?
[03:16] <wgrant> sentix: Launchpad is based on ZTK plus a few other bits that used to make up Zope 3, but it doesn't use BlueBream.
[03:16] <wgrant> sentix: No Zope 2 at all.
[03:18] <sentix> wgrant: Not totally surprising but wikipedia claims launchpad uses Bream.  Currently just wandering through the devel launchpad checkout to figure out how things work.
[03:18] <wgrant> sentix: I suspect that somebody went through Wikipedia and did s/Zope 3/BlueBream/
[03:19] <wgrant> I suppose a few of the Zope3-but-not-ZTK libraries that we use may now be maintained mostly by the BlueBream people, but we're really not a BlueBream app.
[08:09] <mirrakor> hi there, I wanted to upload a package but it is rejected because apparently I choose the wrong section ("education") is there a list of available sections?
[08:16] <jelmer> mirrakor: hi
[08:16] <jelmer> mirrakor: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/
[09:04] <mirrakor> jelmer: it returns an empty page?! :/
[09:05] <mirrakor> oh, hm.. in rekonq it doesn't
[09:20] <mirrakor> Can I ask questions about ppa's and the process of packaging in here too?
[09:22] <jelmer> mirrakor: PPA questions are fine, packaging questions are probably more appropriate for #ubuntu-packaging
[09:39] <mirrakor> when a build failed and I upload it again with added dependencies, do I have to restart the build process by hand?
[09:45] <mirrakor> hm.. ok, it get's rejected because one because the file already exists in <location> but uploaded version has different contents .. I updated the debian/control file and run debuild -S and then tried it again with dput
[09:58] <jelmer> mirrakor: you'll need to update the version in debian/changelog if you've changed the package
[09:59] <mirrakor> ah right, it's a debian system after all :D thanks for your help jelmer it really is appreciated :)
[11:33] <chrysn> i was just going through a recipe build log on launchpad and noticed it installs the whole build-depends, although it only needs to build a source package.
[11:33] <chrysn> would it be interesting from a launchpad point of view to have more fine-grained dependency descriptions in the debian/control file?
[11:34] <jelmer> chrysn: it needs all the build-depends since it runs ./debian/rules clean
[11:34] <chrysn> (debian policy mentions there was never a need for a Build-Depends-Arch at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/footnotes.html#f55, but building recipes could just make such a case)
[11:35] <jelmer> chrysn: that would indeed help, although another solution would be to build the binary package along with the source package
[11:35] <jelmer> chrysn: so the build dependnecies only get installed once
[11:35] <jelmer> (well, once per arch we build on of course)
[11:37] <chrysn> well, at least the -indep wouldn't have to be installed on every other arch
[11:37] <chrysn> is there a particular resaon this is now split in two steps? (not that i don't like having things cleanly split)
[11:37] <jelmer> chrysn: that doesn't happen anyway, as the source package only gets built on a single arch
[11:38] <jelmer> chrysn: I don't think building the source package and the binary package in one go would necessarily be unclean
[11:38] <jelmer> chrysn: the main reason it happens the way it does is because that's the simplest
[11:40] <chrysn> ok, thanks for the info. i'm not too deeply into the package building process myself, just noticed it and wanted to be sure launchpad people are aware of this, but not surprisingly, you already are :-)
[18:26] <jmehdi> Hi, I'm trying to copy packages in my ppa, and I get this error:  OOPS-2129CF71
[19:41] <lifeless> jmehdi: try copying less packages:(
[19:41] <lifeless> jmehdi: its a timeout in Archive:+copy-packages
[20:04] <jmehdi> lifeless: ok, thanks, it works
[20:09] <glen> hey, how to make random people doing invalid actions on bugs, like here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/eventum/+bug/825514
[20:09] <glen> i mean people who aren't part of the team shouldb't be able assign bugs to them
[20:10] <glen> user probably clicked some wrong button or something that he's not even aware of
[20:16] <tumbleweed> glen: I don't think you can, but I can't say I've ever noticed that being a problem. People don't tend to assign themselves bugs without reason. Generally the best thing tod o is to reply and say  "assigning it to yourself means you  intend to work on it"
[20:17] <tumbleweed> IIRC the first time you assign someone a bug in a project, it pops up a message saying "did you mean to do this?"
[20:19] <glen> well. i think, in this specific case, user thought "i have same problem" and clicked "assing to me" thinking it's same as "i have same problem". happens with very poor english knowledge :)
[20:24] <lifeless> glen: it happens, but fairly rarely.
[20:25] <lifeless> glen: locking it down would add a barrier to entry; its hard to say whats wrose
[20:25] <lifeless> bah, my fingers are broken this morning :)
[20:25] <lifeless> *worse*
[20:26] <lifeless> I believe bugzilla etc allow uesrs to assign to themselves
[20:26] <glen> it's that users first and only activity, no idea what is he up to :D
[22:18] <SqRt7744> I'm in a bit of trouble, an open source project I'm working on hasn't been building on launchpad recently, and I'm at a bit of a loss as to why. It builds fine locally, and *used* to build on launchpad, up to version 0.7... the "failed to build" log is here, maybe someone could give me a pointer? https://launchpad.net/~prhone-gmail/+archive/zams-official/+build/2890389/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-i386.zams_0.9-1ubuntu0_FAIL
[22:18] <SqRt7744> EDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[22:18] <SqRt7744>  https://launchpad.net/~prhone-gmail/+archive/zams-official/+build/2890389/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-i386.zams_0.9-1ubuntu0_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[22:23] <wgrant> SqRt7744: The log suggests that there are x86_64 binaries in the source tarball.
[22:23]  * wgrant looks.
[22:24] <wgrant> $ tar tf zams_0.9.orig.tar.gz | grep '\.o$' | wc -l
[22:24] <wgrant> 62
[22:24] <wgrant> zams-0.9/zams/.obj/scrollarea.o
[22:24] <wgrant> zams-0.9/zams/.obj/gotodialog.o
[22:24] <wgrant> zams-0.9/zams/.obj/moc_updatenotifier.o
[22:24] <wgrant> zams-0.9/zams/.obj/moc_sqltreemodel.o
[22:24] <wgrant> etc.
[22:24] <wgrant> Those binaries should probably not be in a source tarball :)
[22:25] <geser> SqRt7744: your .orig.tar.gz is not clean, it contains compiled .o files (for amd64) which get reused on i386 instead of getting rebuild -> failure
[22:26] <SqRt7744> ah ok, i was wondering about that. I'll look into this, thanks
[22:26] <SqRt7744> is there anyway to reupload the same version? Usually if I try it gives me a message about the same version already being there and fails...
[22:29] <geser> not really, append something like "+repack1" to the upstream version
[22:35] <SqRt7744> thanks for tips geser and wgrant


[01:01] <nothingssomethin> hey
[01:01] <nothingssomethin> what's goin on i got a question
[01:04] <nothingssomethin> anyone avail
[01:06] <Nailor> ?
[01:12] <nothingssomethin> ooh
[01:12] <nothingssomethin> ok
[01:13] <nothingssomethin> well i have a dell laptop and i installed the nivida drivers and it starts up but dosn't run it goes blace
[01:14] <nothingssomethin> black
[01:14] <Nailor> Which way did you install nvidia drivers?
[01:15] <nothingssomethin> easy ubuntu
[01:15] <nothingssomethin> and i installed it by clicking desktop effects under preffrence
[01:15] <nothingssomethin> i fixed it once
[01:16] <nothingssomethin> and i rember it was
[01:16] <nothingssomethin> but i don't know the text the people told me
[01:16] <nothingssomethin> the problem was it was taging the wrong monoiter as the default monotor
[01:19] <Nailor> Maybe you could revert your easy ubuntu changes?
[01:19] <Nailor> And then try installing nvidia drivers etc. using synaptics (via nvidia-glx package)
[01:19] <Nailor> Using third party tools to install software (like easy ubuntu, automatix) is the best guarantee to get your computer broken so that no one is able to help you
[01:20] <Nailor> I don't know what easy ubuntu does, but seems it's like automatix, installing different software and (eventually) causing problems
[01:23] <nothingssomethin> no i just had to edit the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf or something and then it worked after i put that ltext and i just need the line again
[01:28] <Nailor> try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:29] <Nailor> I strongly recommend not to use any automatic configuration tools like Easy Ubuntu and Automatix
[01:30] <Nailor> While they give you some advance in installing particular software you never can be too sure are the tools and the changes they do tested properly
[01:30] <Nailor> For example edgy->feisty upgrade was a pain to automatix users
[01:37] <nothingssomethin> 07:28:07 AM) Nailor: try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg                     what does that do
[01:38] <nothingssomethin> is that a gui editor or an auto config
[01:39] <Nailor> Run it in terminal
[01:39] <Nailor> It asks details about your hardware and build your Xorg.conf according to those
[01:40] <nothingssomethin> would that help with the wrong configuration of my nvidia settings
[01:40] <Nailor> Might help
[01:41] <Nailor> You should try the official support channel #ubuntu for more help
[01:41] <Nailor> This channels is for the laptoptestingteam, not for support
[01:43] <nothingssomethin> aaah
[04:04] <serge> hi
[04:04] <serge> is there an updated list of the laptop models being currently tested ?
[04:04] <serge> for gutsy?
[04:48] <schoolinux> Hi, I need to know something about lenovo N200 notebook, anybody can help?
[04:49] <schoolinux> it looks like nobody's here:(
[04:49] <schoolinux> Hi, I need to know something about lenovo N200 notebook, anybody can help?
[06:00] <dawkirst> Hello. Will my Compaq Presario 700 work well with Ubuntu?
[06:07] <dawkirst> Sorry for the question, just realized I should have asked in #ubuntu.
[06:08] <dawkirst> Cheers!


[06:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: urdfdom [ppc64el] (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.0.0-2] (no packageset)
[06:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: urdfdom [amd64] (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.0.0-2] (no packageset)
[06:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: urdfdom [i386] (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.0.0-2] (no packageset)
[06:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: urdfdom [s390x] (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.0.0-2] (no packageset)
[06:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: urdfdom [powerpc] (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.0.0-2] (no packageset)
[06:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: urdfdom [armhf] (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.0.0-2] (no packageset)
[06:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: urdfdom [arm64] (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.0.0-2] (no packageset)
[07:57] <LocutusOfBorg> please accept urdfdom, fixing a FTBFS with one reverse dependency
[07:57] <LocutusOfBorg> only kido should need a rebuild
[09:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted urdfdom [amd64] (yakkety-proposed) [1.0.0-2]
[09:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted urdfdom [armhf] (yakkety-proposed) [1.0.0-2]
[09:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted urdfdom [powerpc] (yakkety-proposed) [1.0.0-2]
[09:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted urdfdom [arm64] (yakkety-proposed) [1.0.0-2]
[09:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted urdfdom [s390x] (yakkety-proposed) [1.0.0-2]
[09:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted urdfdom [i386] (yakkety-proposed) [1.0.0-2]
[09:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted urdfdom [ppc64el] (yakkety-proposed) [1.0.0-2]
[09:52] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: .
[09:55] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks
[10:02] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm not sure where is the best place to report launchpad failures
[10:03] <LocutusOfBorg> but reverse-depends seems not working, and I guess because ubuntuwire is down qa.ubuntuwire.org/rdepends/
[10:12] <cjwatson> that's not a Launchpad failure
[10:12] <cjwatson> qa.ubuntuwire.org is something somebody else (tumbleweed IIRC) maintains
[10:13] <LocutusOfBorg> so, ubuntu-dev-tools relies on external websites and services :(
[10:13] <cjwatson> correct
[10:15] <Ukikie> And py2. :3
[11:24] <bluesabre> Hello release team! Xubuntu would like to include the latest greybird-gtk-theme (lp 1623855), I've already checked with others in our docs, release, and QA subteams, can I get an ACK to go ahead and upload this one today?
[11:50] <jibel> slangasek, ogra_ I asked Lukasz to SRU the changes in livecd-rootfs when he is back from holidays
[14:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cloud-init (xenial-proposed/main) [0.7.7-31-g65ace7b-0ubuntu1~16.04.2 => 0.7.8-1-g3705bb5-0ubuntu1~16.04.1] (edubuntu, ubuntu-cloud, ubuntu-server)
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cloud-init [source] (xenial-proposed) [0.7.8-1-g3705bb5-0ubuntu1~16.04.1]
[14:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: ruby-sys-filesystem (yakkety-proposed/primary) [1.1.7-1]
[14:58] <LocutusOfBorg> -mahimahi (0.93-1 to -)
[14:58] <LocutusOfBorg>     Package not in unstable, will try to remove
[14:59] <LocutusOfBorg> rmadison has a different opinion
[14:59] <LocutusOfBorg> also that "-" is making the link 404
[15:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: qemu (trusty-proposed/main) [2.0.0+dfsg-2ubuntu1.27 => 2.0.0+dfsg-2ubuntu1.28] (ubuntu-server, virt)
[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: ruby-hamlit (yakkety-proposed/primary) [2.7.0-1]
[17:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: ruby-sys-filesystem (yakkety-proposed/primary) [1.1.7-1]
[17:51] <bdmurray> cyphermox: so shim-signed is good to be released to precise?
[17:53] <cyphermox> bdmurray: I believe so
[17:55] <tumbleweed> cjwatson: I don't maintain the machine, I just maintain some services running on it. #ubuntuwire is the best place to discuss problems with the machine
[17:55] <cyphermox> bdmurray: could you please also reject grub2 in xenial-proposed queue? I'll upload another with some other fixes
[17:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected grub2 [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.4]
[18:12] <cyphermox> ta
[18:13] <jderose> infinity: yakkety will no longer install under QEMU in UEFI mode... what package should i file a bug against for this?
[18:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qemu [source] (trusty-proposed) [2.0.0+dfsg-2ubuntu1.28]
[18:49] <doko> please override the libreoffice/i386 autopkg test triggered by gcc-6; if at all, that's unrelated to one c++ fix and a installability fix, and I'd like to start the test rebuilds
[18:50] <doko> slangasek, infinity, pitti: ^^^
[19:03] <pitti> doko: hinted
[19:03] <doko> ta
[19:52] <sergiusens> bdmurray hi there, mind letting snapcraft-2.17 into xenial-updates?
[20:00] <bdmurray> sergiusens: okay, might you be able to answer a snappy question while you are here?
[20:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted adwaita-qt [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [0.5-1]
[20:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ruby-hamlit [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [2.7.0-1]
[20:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected ruby-sys-filesystem [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [1.1.7-1]
[20:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted openscenegraph-3.4 [source] (yakkety-proposed) [3.4.0+dfsg1-1ubuntu1]
[20:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ruby-sys-filesystem [sync] (yakkety-proposed) [1.1.7-1]
[20:05] <infinity> jderose: If you can't sort out which package is to blame, start with the installer (ubiquity or d-i, depending on your install method), and we'll triage from there.
[20:06] <jderose> infinity: cool. it's happening with both desktop and server, so seems like d-i is probably a better initial target. thanks!
[20:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: adwaita-qt [ppc64el] (yakkety-proposed/none) [0.5-1] (no packageset)
[20:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ruby-hamlit [ppc64el] (yakkety-proposed/none) [2.7.0-1] (no packageset)
[20:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: adwaita-qt [i386] (yakkety-proposed/none) [0.5-1] (no packageset)
[20:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ruby-hamlit [i386] (yakkety-proposed/none) [2.7.0-1] (no packageset)
[20:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ruby-hamlit [amd64] (yakkety-proposed/none) [2.7.0-1] (no packageset)
[20:11] <sergiusens> bdmurray sure
[20:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: adwaita-qt [amd64] (yakkety-proposed/none) [0.5-1] (no packageset)
[20:12] <bdmurray> sergiusens: I know you can use source-tag with a git repo but is there anyway to grab the latest release e.g. https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl/releases
[20:13] <sergiusens> bdmurray err, no; is there a canonical way to figure it out without any magic?
[20:13] <bdmurray> sergiusens: I don't see snapcraft in the queue https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=1
[20:14] <sergiusens> bdmurray strange, I see it here http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[20:15] <bdmurray> sergiusens: ah, I misunderstood into -proposed vs into -updates
[20:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ruby-hamlit [s390x] (yakkety-proposed/universe) [2.7.0-1] (no packageset)
[20:18] <bdmurray> sergiusens: are these normally released after less than 7 days in -proposed?
[20:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: adwaita-qt [s390x] (yakkety-proposed/universe) [0.5-1] (no packageset)
[20:19] <sergiusens> bdmurray yes, we have an exception for day == 1
[20:19] <sergiusens> bdmurray we release every or every other week
[20:20] <bdmurray> sergiusens: I didn't see that in the SnapcraftUpdates wiki page
[20:20] <Ukikie> jderose: I was unable to get it to boot with qemu+ovmf even.
[20:21] <jderose> Ukikie: hmm, interesting. what are you using for the host OS? Xenial, Yakkety, something else?
[20:21] <sergiusens> bdmurray hmmm, slangasek where should we document the 1 day of stabilization thing?
[20:22] <jderose> Ukikie: for me it's broken with a Xenial host + Yakkety guest, but I haven't yet tried a Yakkety host + Yakkety guest.
[20:22] <bdmurray> sergiusens: slangasek is out today and tomorrow perhaps we should just do it in that SnapcraftUpdates page
[20:22] <sergiusens> bdmurray ok, sounds good, maybe arges knows as he was in the conversations
[20:22] <jderose> Ukikie: er, yeah, you were *unable* to get it to boot. yup, that's my experience... i'm using QEMU + OVMF
[20:23] <bdmurray> sergiusens: there seems to be a history of it, I just think we should document it for others too
[20:23] <Ukikie> jderose: Xenial host, ovmf from xenial or what I used to use to test secure boot was working too.  It still works on the older ISOs, just none of the Yakkety ones.
[20:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted adwaita-qt [amd64] (yakkety-proposed) [0.5-1]
[20:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted adwaita-qt [ppc64el] (yakkety-proposed) [0.5-1]
[20:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ruby-hamlit [amd64] (yakkety-proposed) [2.7.0-1]
[20:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ruby-hamlit [ppc64el] (yakkety-proposed) [2.7.0-1]
[20:24] <jderose> Ukikie: okay, yeah, that's exactly matching my experience. well, except i haven't tried it with secure boot enabled.
[20:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted adwaita-qt [i386] (yakkety-proposed) [0.5-1]
[20:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ruby-hamlit [i386] (yakkety-proposed) [2.7.0-1]
[20:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted adwaita-qt [s390x] (yakkety-proposed) [0.5-1]
[20:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ruby-hamlit [s390x] (yakkety-proposed) [2.7.0-1]
[20:24] <sergiusens> bdmurray do you mind editing? I don't want people to later see my name and it not being accepted
[20:25] <Ukikie> jderose: (I have a different ovmf version too that I can try, IIRC it was needed for secure boot.)  Also noted that -hda fat:/home/unit193/hda/  didn't mount correctly in new ovmf versions (esc during the ovmf logo, boot from internal shell.)
[20:28] <bdmurray> slangasek: I updated the SnapcraftUpdates wiki page regarding waiving the 7 days of aging but the reasoning behind it might make it more informative.
[20:31] <jderose> infinity: Ukikie: I filed a bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1624096
[20:32] <Ukikie> jderose: Great!  Subbed.
[20:33] <jderose> :)
[20:36] <sergiusens> Thanks bdmurray. Are we good to release?
[20:40] <bdmurray> sergiusens: I did already
[20:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: openscenegraph-3.4 [ppc64el] (yakkety-proposed/universe) [3.4.0+dfsg1-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[20:44] <sergiusens> Thanks then!
[20:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: openscenegraph-3.4 [s390x] (yakkety-proposed/universe) [3.4.0+dfsg1-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[20:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ruby-sys-filesystem [amd64] (yakkety-proposed/universe) [1.1.7-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[20:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted openscenegraph-3.4 [ppc64el] (yakkety-proposed) [3.4.0+dfsg1-1ubuntu1]
[20:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ruby-sys-filesystem [amd64] (yakkety-proposed) [1.1.7-1ubuntu1]
[20:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted openscenegraph-3.4 [s390x] (yakkety-proposed) [3.4.0+dfsg1-1ubuntu1]
[20:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: openscenegraph-3.4 [amd64] (yakkety-proposed/universe) [3.4.0+dfsg1-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[21:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dkms (xenial-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS>-2ubuntu11.2 => <IP_ADDRESS>-2ubuntu11.3] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[21:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dkms (trusty-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1.1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => <IP_ADDRESS>-1.1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[22:07] <tsimonq2> hello release team
[22:07] <tsimonq2> I'm trying to run britney2 locally by following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/LocalSetup
[22:08] <tsimonq2> when running britney.py I'm getting thrown this:
[22:08] <tsimonq2>   File "/home/ubuntu/britney2-ubuntu/autopkgtest.py", line 30, in <module>
[22:08] <tsimonq2>     import amqplib.client_0_8 as amqp
[22:08] <tsimonq2> ImportError: No module named 'amqplib'
[22:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted openscenegraph-3.4 [amd64] (yakkety-proposed) [3.4.0+dfsg1-1ubuntu1]
[22:09] <tsimonq2> I'm not sure what to do as I have it installed already
[22:09] <tsimonq2> I figured I should ask here as you guys use this in production
[22:10] <wxl> you SURE you have amqplib installed?
[22:10] <apw> the right python version of the library ?
[22:10] <wxl> i mean that's a pretty fundamental part of the whole thing
[22:10] <tsimonq2> yes
[22:11] <tsimonq2> but 1.0.2 is in the archive and pip :/
[22:11] <wxl> pip list | grep amqplib
[22:11]  * tsimonq2 uninstalls all related packages from the archive and pip and tries to install 0.8 specifically
[22:11] <tsimonq2> $ pip list | grep amqplib
[22:11] <tsimonq2> amqplib (1.0.2)
[22:12] <wxl> yeah you should be able to install the specific version with pip
[22:13] <tumbleweed> if the error is "No module named 'amqplib'" it doesn't sound like the wrong version
[22:13] <tsimonq2> interesting... http://paste.ubuntu.com/23184075/
[22:13] <wxl> pip install amqplib==version
[22:13] <tsimonq2> I'll just keep the version installed from the archive
[22:13] <tsimonq2> so it WAS installed
[22:14] <tsimonq2> theory, I'm running with python3...
[22:14] <wxl> yes but not the specific version required
[22:14] <wxl> so run with python2.7 :)
[22:14] <tsimonq2> import apt_pkg
[22:14] <tsimonq2> ImportError: No module named apt_pkg
[22:14] <tsimonq2> argh
[22:14] <tsimonq2>   File "britney.py", line 192, in <module>
[22:15] <tsimonq2> (you get it)
[22:15] <tsimonq2> oh I know
[22:15] <tsimonq2> looking at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/67631/how-to-import-a-module-given-the-full-path#67692 now
[22:16] <wxl> this is definitely python 3 https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/+git/britney2-ubuntu/tree/INSTALL
[22:17] <tumbleweed> and your paste was definitely python 2.7
[22:17] <wxl> yup sure was
[22:17] <tsimonq2> tumbleweed: same when running with python3 so *shrug*
[22:18] <tsimonq2> I mean the error I was intitially getting
[22:18] <wxl> try using pip3, tsimonq2
[22:18] <tumbleweed> tsimonq2: so, that was bare pip, outside a virtualenv
[22:18] <tumbleweed> why di dyou even need pip?
[22:18] <tsimonq2> I uninstalled everything via pip
[22:18] <tumbleweed> it looked like the dependencies were all in the archive
[22:18]  * tsimonq2 nods
[22:20] <tumbleweed> so, if you have python3-apt installed, it should be able to import apt_pkg
[22:20] <tsimonq2> python3-apt is already the newest version (1.1.0~beta1build1).
[22:21] <tsimonq2> well I installed python-apt and it works
[22:21] <tsimonq2> now this
[22:21] <tsimonq2>     from urllib.parse import quote, urlencode
[22:21] <tsimonq2> ImportError: No module named parse
[22:21] <tsimonq2> I'll wash, rinse, and repeat
[22:21] <tumbleweed> this sounds like python 2, not 3
[22:22] <tumbleweed> are you running "python britney.py" ? because that obviously won't use python 3
[22:22] <tumbleweed> ./britney.py should, though, because it has a python3 shebang
[22:22] <tsimonq2> $ python2.7 britney.py -c britney.conf --series=yakkety -v
[22:22]  * tsimonq2 tries *again* with python3
[22:22] <tumbleweed> well that's not going to work
[22:22] <tsimonq2>     import amqplib.client as amqp
[22:22] <tsimonq2> ImportError: No module named 'amqplib'
[22:22] <tumbleweed> I mean, the python2.7 bit :)
[22:22] <tumbleweed> python3-amqplib
[22:23] <tsimonq2>   File "/home/ubuntu/britney2-ubuntu/autopkgtest.py", line 30, in <module>
[22:23] <tsimonq2>     import amqplib.client as amqp
[22:23] <tsimonq2> ImportError: No module named 'amqplib.client'
[22:23] <tsimonq2> WOW I'm stupid, thanks, progress
[22:26] <tsimonq2>   File "./britney.py", line 903, in _read_packages_file
[22:26] <tsimonq2>     pkg = intern(pkg)
[22:26] <tsimonq2> TypeError: intern() argument 1 must be str, not None
[22:26] <tsimonq2> fun fun fun :/
[22:26] <tumbleweed> didn't have the packages file it wanted?
[22:27]  * tsimonq2 downloads everything one more time
[22:38] <tsimonq2> still can't get it to work
[22:47] <tsimonq2> I'm stuck on that one error
[22:47] <tsimonq2> that page should be a bit more verbose if I'm missing something
[22:49] <tumbleweed> you ran britney-indexes?
[22:51] <tsimonq2> yes I did
[22:52] <tumbleweed> and it put the right things in the data dir
[22:52] <tsimonq2> I guess this might help: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23184175/
[22:54] <tumbleweed> does data/yakkety-proposed/Packages_amd64 look sane?
[22:55] <tsimonq2> tumbleweed: it's a binary file...
[22:55] <tsimonq2> O__O
[22:55] <tsimonq2> oh ok
[22:55] <tsimonq2> I guess it's expected
[22:55] <tsimonq2> tumbleweed: no, it doesn't look sane :P
[22:56] <tumbleweed> right, probably not unxzed ? which britney-indexes is supposed to do
[22:56] <tumbleweed> err gz
[22:57] <tsimonq2> aha!
[22:57] <tsimonq2> that's it I think
[22:58] <tsimonq2> pitti: bug in Britney it seems ^
[23:01] <tumbleweed> you got no errors from britney-indexes?
[23:01] <tumbleweed> that's not a bug in britney, but in britney-indexes, if anything
[23:06] <tsimonq2> oooh it's running
[23:16] <tsimonq2> it also makes me a bit mad I can't select two PPAs at once :/
[23:20] <tsimonq2> FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'data/yakkety/state/age-policy-dates'
[23:20] <tsimonq2> argh :(
[23:21] <tsimonq2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23184323/


[05:03] <studio-user566> Hey
[05:04] <studio-user566> anyone know how to configure the power save to keep my system from going into sleep mode after about 5 minutes?
[05:05] <studio-user566> anyone here?
[05:10] <HypothesisFrog> hi. I'm on ubuntustudio 16.04, and when I boot up, I'm automatically logged in to my main user account. How can I stop that happening so that people have to select a user to login with?
[05:10] <HypothesisFrog> I think I'm using xfce
[20:08] <studio-user118> join


[04:48] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:09] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:13] <ducasse> good morning
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader
[06:14] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje How are you doing?
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> all good here lordievader
[06:15] <lordievader> Good to hear
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> hows your side lordievader
[06:18] <ducasse> morning lordievader - all well, i hope?
[06:18] <lordievader> Doing good here.
[06:18] <lordievader> Currently without a homedir on my server 😋
[06:19] <lordievader> It was a 'bit' overdimensioned.
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> leech it empty :p
[06:20] <lordievader> Unfortunately lvm doesn't support reducing of raid volumes -.-
[07:22] <EriC^^> !ping
[08:39] <EriC^^> morning all
[10:35] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:36] <ducasse> morning BluesKaj - how are you doing?
[10:40] <BluesKaj> Hey ducasse , doing fine here, and you?
[10:41] <ducasse> i'm good, just bought a new tv :)
[10:49] <BluesKaj> ahh, what make and size ?
[10:50] <BluesKaj> and are you connecting it up to your nice stereo ?
[10:52] <BluesKaj> ducasse: ^
[10:58] <ducasse> BluesKaj: it's a sony 46" - kdl-46w5500. getting it 2nd hand for a decent price, looks to be a fairly high-end model.
[10:59] <ducasse> i only have the one optical input on the stereo, might use analog i guess
[11:00] <ducasse> it has 4 hdmi inputs, which is nice - i only have 2 now and need at least one more
[11:01] <BluesKaj> yeah Sonys are nice well designed TVs, has a reutation for high quality picture and sound
[11:02] <ducasse> i checked a couple of reviews, it had pretty high scores for excellent picture and above average sound
[11:02] <BluesKaj> er reputatation
[11:03] <BluesKaj> oops can't spell this morning
[11:03] <ducasse> or reputation :)
[11:03] <BluesKaj> yeah i end up using the stereo mode on alot of programs these days ..think my ceneter channel speaker has deteriorated
[11:06] <ducasse> either way it's better than what i have now, a low-end tv that is slowly dying. it's started randomly switching inputs and suddenly won't receive signals from the remote
[11:06] <BluesKaj> right ..time for the boneyard :-)
[11:07] <BluesKaj> looking for a match to my old Pardigm 5Semk3s which is the CC-300, i located one near Niagara Falls which is about 90 mins drive from Toronto where i'll be visiting next week
[11:08] <ducasse> i'll be moving it to the bedroom to watch movies on the old rpi
[11:09] <BluesKaj> ducasse:  which OS are you using on the rpi?
[11:10] <ducasse> this tv is located just a couple of km from here, so a bit closer than that :)
[11:10] <ducasse> i'm using xbian, quite happy with it
[11:11] <BluesKaj> raspbian here
[11:12] <ducasse> of the various kodi-centric distros i've tried, xbian suits me the best. nice to have access to full apt repos etc
[11:13] <BluesKaj> right
[11:14] <BluesKaj> wonder what the diff between xbian and raspbian is , sounds like xbian puts the emphasis on video etc
[11:18] <ducasse> yes, it has some kodi-centric configuration screens etc
[11:25] <BluesKaj> kodi works well on the raspbian OS here..dunno if it's worth the trouble of installing xbian
[11:28] <ducasse> "if it ain't broken, don't fix it"
[11:29] <ducasse> but if you have a spare sd card it might be worth a look
[11:29] <BluesKaj> yeah, agreed ;-)
[11:31] <BluesKaj> well, i put the / on a usb connected HDD so the sdcard is only used to boot the system
[11:32] <BluesKaj> but i would still need another sd
[11:33] <BluesKaj> just discoverd i need another hdmi cable , i've used them all up on my new receiver
[11:34]  * BluesKaj heads over to amazon
[11:47] <BluesKaj> gonna wait, just realized I won't be home when they deliver next week. The delivery services leave stuff by the front door and if I'm not home, then goodbye cable.
[11:54] <ducasse> can't you pick one up on your trip?
[12:15] <BluesKaj> just odered one thru the local electronics store online division using the store pickup option instead of home delivery
[12:17] <BluesKaj> their online inventory is much larger than the store and the prices are much lower as well.
[12:20] <ducasse> sounds good :)
[15:53] <oerheks> EriC^^, :-D
[16:00] <leftyfb> trolling in  .... 3
[17:06] <EriC^^> hey oerheks :D
[17:58] <oerheks> mint users .. "..if not, install ubuntu please, and you can do it." :-D
[18:21] <leftyfb> nacc: it just amazes me the constant learning :)
[18:21] <leftyfb> with linux that is
[18:22] <nacc> keeps us all in jobs :)
[18:22] <leftyfb> so today I'm pretty excited because I'm going to be pushing through a PR at my work that makes our robots site-agnostic. This is a huge milestone if it all works out well. Gonna make our lives WAY easier
[18:26] <Bashing-om> leftyfb: Large feather in the cap too ?
[18:28] <leftyfb> eh ... you would think so. But around here it's just par for the course. Actual engineers do way cooler things
[18:29] <Bashing-om> dang !
[18:29] <leftyfb> yeah, we got some top people here
[18:30] <leftyfb> in this industry anyway
[18:32] <Bashing-om> Good peeps to work with ,, is a nice thing :)
[22:08] <nacc> i don't have the patience to deal with qwebirc today (on friday, esp.)
[22:08] <nacc> oerheks: if you want to step in, feel free :)
[22:09] <oerheks> :-)
[22:10] <oerheks> something is not right, apt-cache policy virtualbox perhaps?
[22:10] <nacc> oerheks: they still aren't using the multiverse package
[22:10] <nacc> so i assume they downloaded something wrong
[22:13] <oerheks> and steam, that did install, now virtualbox.,.
[22:13] <oerheks> i think we end up with steam not installing in virtualbox :-D
[22:14] <nacc> lol


[00:05] <guiverc> sem what is the page?
[00:06] <sem> Can I dm you
[00:06] <guiverc> (if you're logged, the page should be editable.. you need wiki-editors permissions on your launchpad id)
[00:07] <sem> I can log in to launchpad. Maybe I don't have that permission any more
[00:07] <guiverc> i can look at page if you DM me... but I may require you to give details on public/recorded site before I'll do anything
[00:07] <sem> Ok sent you a dm
[00:09] <guiverc> can you provide your launchpad page here please
[00:10] <sem> Sure, one sec
[00:10]  * guiverc was hoping for an email or something which I could request you email me (so as to confirm it's your page)... I see little on page that is identifying except name... (some generic history)
[00:10] <sem> https://launchpad.net/~semitones
[00:11] <sem> It's mainly my name, location, and birth year that I regret putting there
[00:12] <guiverc> I'll delete the page... but I'm trying to think of a way you can confirm that page is yours, currently I can't see any being my problem
[00:12] <sem> I can email you from the email listed on my launchpad page if you'd like
[00:13] <guiverc> that would be appreciated<EMAIL_ADDRESS>will do.
[00:14] <sem> sent
[00:16] <guiverc> nothing on that email indicates it was sent from launchpad (was it sent from your launchpad page? or mine (ie. https://launchpad.net/~guiverc  & contact_this_user option)  email just contains a gmail ID that doesn't prove page is yours
[00:17] <guiverc> ie.  if i sent myself something I get "This message was sent from Launchpad by Chris Guiver (https://launchpad.net/~guiverc)"  thus I'd have confirmation the page was sent from my ID
[00:18] <sem> I didn't know you could send email through launchpad - I just sent it from my email that I use to login to launchpad
[00:18] <sem> I just edited my user page to remove the link - perhaps that could be proof?
[00:19] <guiverc> (you may have had to visit my page to see the contact-this-user option...)  but ...
[00:20] <guiverc> I'll accept what you've done as proof you're https://launchpad.net/~semitones and thus click to delete page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PatrickH
[00:20] <sem> Thank you :)
[00:21] <guiverc> delete reason used is "requested delete from https://launchpad.net/~semitones via IRC (#ubuntu-doc)"
[00:21] <guiverc> i'd give it a few secs & try again (You may want to use private/incognito etc to ensure your cache isn't using the prior view etc)
[00:21] <sem> I appreciate it, thanks
[00:22] <guiverc> by try again was meant to be viewing your (prior) wiki page
[00:23] <sem> It shows as deleted for me
[00:24] <guiverc> you're most welcome sem
[00:25] <sem> thanks again, have a good one
[00:25] <guiverc> (wiki editor access requirement was added a number of years ago due to spamming stuff being added to wiki..)
[00:25] <sem> Ouch
[00:25] <sem> It really was a golden age back before then :)
[00:26] <guiverc> and I see (now) you sent an email confirming via lp too, thanks !
[00:26] <sem> Yeah thanks for pointing out that feature. I had never seen it before
[00:28] <guiverc> mostly I want a reason to cover why I deleted a page (in the record)... beyond just confirming its the creator/owner that requested the page deletion
[00:28] <sem> Ok, how about this
[00:29] <sem>  I was uncomfortable with the personal details in there
[00:29] <guiverc> sorry, by "want a reason" I should have used past-tense.. you provided WHAT I NEEDED already
[00:29] <sem> Ok, I understand :)
[00:54] <guiverc> sem, i took your request as a delete... are/were you happy with that... you can request editor.access to wiki (it's not fast though).. which is this group https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wiki-editors
[00:55] <sem> yes, thank you -- I will request editor access as well in case I can become more active on the wiki
[00:55] <guiverc> (sorry if you wanted to edit.. I would have done that too on request; for some reason I focused attention to delete part of your initial request)
[00:56] <sem> I actually preferred deleting
[00:56] <sem> sorry I was not more clear -- I just wasn't sure if wiki pages could be deleted as easily as they could be edited/renamed, etc.,
[00:57] <sem> elsewhere on the wiki it strongly discourages deleting pages -- but that must apply to actual documentation


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[08:45] <dorelyo> exit
[13:56] <nitrofurano> hi everyone! i'm trying to run Lubuntu in an old Pentium 4 computer (2ghz) with S3 Savage - while the display performance (like window dragging) on Crunchbang is very acceptable, on Lubuntu it is painfully slow (you see the window redraw from bottom to up during 2 seconds in each window moving) - do someone know where can i tweak Lubuntu for performing similarly to Crunchbang, at least on these display issues? (i guess it's a x-server i
[13:56] <nitrofurano> ssue or something like?) - the window managers i were using are those light ones, like Fluxbox, LXDE, WindowMaker, JWM, etc. - thanks! :)
[14:32] <holstein> nitrofurano: #! will be older.. you are not comparing apples to apples there.. there are more variables
[14:32] <holstein> but, you can always install minimal ubuntu
[14:32] <holstein> !mini
[14:32] <holstein> and just add openbox, or whatever you like.. though, i would try and do some testing and see if its hardware support related with the newer kernel..
[14:34] <nitrofurano> i though that “fixing” that would be possible by simply tweaking, i didn’t want to do a fresh install again
[14:34] <holstein> nitrofurano: sure.. and im not implying you need to
[14:34] <nitrofurano> thanks
[14:34] <holstein> nitrofurano: im saying, if *i* wanted something closer to #!, since you mention it specifically, i would install minimal, and add openbox
[14:35] <holstein> i would then be able to move over the #! configs, and end up with basically #! with the ubuntu 15.04 base
[14:35] <holstein> but, for your specific case, you can just boot into an openbox session, and see.. the biggest variable for me would be the GPU driver support
[14:36] <holstein> lubuntu/lxde isnt doing any compositing.. in my hardware cases, specifically, lubuntu (any version) is quite similar in performance to #! (any version)
[14:38] <nitrofurano> yes, and i'm trying a lot of these light window managers (except those like ratpoison )
[14:38] <holstein> cool.. i wouldnt bother with "a lot".. i would try a few, then, try isolating the GPU driver
[14:39] <holstein> anyways, first thing i would likely do, is just apply any updates.. sometimes, and kernel update can really make or break support
[14:39] <nitrofurano> using around PekWM, WindowLab, WM2, 9WM, etc - all behaves the same, lagging on window motion, around 2 seconds each window redraw - it feels like the cpu is a 8088 or something like...
[14:39] <holstein> i would use openbox, since, thats what you are comparing
[14:40] <nitrofurano> i also have openbox installed
[14:40] <holstein> try to get as close as you can to apples to apples, rather than apples to oranges
[14:40] <nitrofurano> they are all behaving all the same
[14:40] <holstein> you have *many* different things between #! and lubuntu
[14:40] <nitrofurano> yes, i see
[14:40] <holstein> you are assuming its lxde vs openbox.. or, crunchbang vs lubuntu.. so, maybe try, comparing the different kernels, and drivers in the modular kernel
[14:46] <nitrofurano> i guess the package of the module is xserver-xorg-video-savage ? perhaps it's some bug there, or just some misconfiguration/mistweaking?
[14:46] <holstein> nitrofurano: well, i dont think we can even throw around the term "bug" yet
[14:47] <nitrofurano> i see...
[14:47] <holstein> i mean, you could have a bug specific to just your hardware.. but, you also could just have older hardware.. or, a hardware issue..
[14:47] <holstein> what would i do? if i had an installed system, first thing i would do is put a custom xorg.conf in place specifying the vesa driver
[14:48] <holstein> i wouldnt be worried about the resolution, etc.. i would literally just want to see, lubuntu, lxde, and the vesa driver.. isolating out the driver support from the current kernel im trying
[14:49] <holstein> *if* the desktop seems more performant, then, thats where i would start.. again, by simiply checking that the updates for my OS are applied, and that im booted into the most current kernel and kernel drivers for my hardware
[14:49] <nitrofurano> editing /etx/X11/xorg.conf ? where?
[14:49] <holstein> then, what i usually do is try a newer mainline kernel.. i know how to easily remove those mainline kernels.. also, i can test newer and older kernels with the live iso for different releases
[14:50] <holstein> nitrofurano: you wont be able to "edit" that file, since, its likely not there.. and again, this is *not* a "fix" for breakage, or a "bug".. this is just a simple way i would isolate out GPU driver support
[14:50] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209 for example
[14:51] <holstein> i would drop that in as-is, knowing how to remove it using a live iso, or tty, if the system wont boot with it
[14:52] <holstein> im not trying to get the perfect desktop setup there.. i *know* the display resolution is going to be wrong, etc.. but, im just wanting to test opening and dragging a window or 2.. from that test i can get a better idea of what might be happening
[14:52] <holstein> then, i can make a note of what, in #! is supporting my hardware.. note the kernel version, etc..
[14:52] <nitrofurano> yes, no problem about - so i'll backup the existing one and try this one from the weblink you provided
[14:52] <holstein> nitrofurano: you shouldnt have one
[14:54] <nitrofurano> i actually had one, because i needed some missing resolutions, like 1280x960
[14:54] <holstein> nitrofurano: sure. so *that* can be breaking your setup
[14:54] <holstein> nitrofurano: try using the "stock" lubuntu and see how the performance is..
[14:54] <holstein> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man4/savage.4.html might be relevant, and able to be adapted
[14:55] <holstein> try, again, isolating.. try getting the desktop working, stock.. seeing the performance you want. *then* go from there implementing the modes you prefer
[14:55] <holstein> could be, your xorg.conf is from #!, and specifying something incorrectly to ubuntu
[14:56] <holstein> if you havent installed any proprietary GPU drivers, i would simply rename the xorg.conf you have put in place, and reboot, letting lubuntu specify as stock lubuntu would/should, and see how the perfomance is..
[14:58] <nitrofurano> xorg.conf i have now there: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/xorgconf2aaa
[14:58] <holstein> nitrofurano: sure, have you changed the name of it? and rebooted to stock lubuntu? if not, try that
[14:59] <holstein> *then* you can try specifying the vesa driver.. and see how the performance is..
[15:01] <nitrofurano> yes, i made a backup, replaced that, and now rebooting
[15:02] <holstein> nitrofurano: sure. *dont* replace it.. actually *dont* use an xorg.conf.. try with stock lubuntu
[15:02] <holstein> you can simply rename whatever you are using.. xorg.confBACKUP or whatever
[15:02] <nitrofurano> yes, it's a lot faster now! thanks! :)
[15:03] <holstein> cool.. so, dont use the same xorg.conf from #!.. just implement whatever desktop geometry you want a different way
[15:03] <nitrofurano> so would be better keeping that way, or should i try the savage driver later? and how can i add the respective line at xorg.conf?
[15:03] <nitrofurano> thanks! :)
[15:03] <holstein> nitrofurano: i would keep stock lubuntu, yes.. if its working, its working
[15:04] <holstein> i install and use arandr
[15:04] <nitrofurano> yes, it’s fine
[15:04] <holstein> !info arandr
[15:04] <nitrofurano> arandr? is that too much different from lxrandr (it's what i have being using more)
[15:04] <nitrofurano> ?
[15:04] <holstein> i try and find geometry settings there.. if not, i'll move to a custom xorg.conf
[15:04] <nitrofurano> ah ok, i think i never used arandr that way - i'll try later
[15:05] <nitrofurano> soon
[15:05] <holstein> nitrofurano: i install, and use it, on *all* systems, since, yes, in my experience, i find it *can* implent geometry not found in other gui's
[15:05] <holstein> and, i dont have to learn a new tool.. i can use arandr *everywhere*.. not needing the lxde, or gnome, or KDE, or whatever, specific tools
[15:05] <holstein> anyways, again, thats *not* a fix.. just a suggestion to see if the geometry you desire is available..
[15:06] <nitrofurano> excellent! and thanks a lot!!!! :)
[15:11] <nitrofurano> have to go! bye, and thanks again! :)
[15:11] <holstein> o/
[15:11] <nitrofurano> o/
[16:36] <suncokret> will lubuntu plan to use systemd and when?
[16:50] <pleia2> suncokret: lubuntu 15.04, which came out in April, uses systemd
[16:51] <suncokret> and can you use it without systemd?
[16:57] <pleia2> there is not an option for that
[16:57] <pleia2> it's open source, so you could rewrite the system and replace the init system, but that's a lot of work and it will likely be quite buggy
[16:59] <suncokret> if lubuntu 16.04 will also use systemd then i will stay on lubuntu 14.04
[17:01] <pleia2> I don't see Ubuntu (which Lubuntu is based on) changing direction with regard to systemd any time soon, 16.04 will have systemd
[17:01] <wxl> yeah i mean the whole world has went systemd, so :)
[17:01] <suncokret> so then i will stay on lubuntu 14.04 more than three years
[17:02] <suncokret> 14.04 works great and i don't have need to use 16.04 expecially if it use systemd which is bad
[17:02] <Eliz> *shrug* whatever floats your boat, but once support ends dunno what to tell ya
[17:02] <wxl> …in your opinion
[17:02] <Eliz> any particular reason you think it's "bad" besides popular (or impopular) opinion?
[17:03] <suncokret> it is bad because linux lose freedom to choice
[17:03] <wxl> there's no loss of such freedom
[17:03] <wxl> the choice is yours
[17:03] <Eliz> uh... what? lol
[17:03] <suncokret> we need to have choice without systemd
[17:04] <Eliz> to be completely fair
[17:04] <wxl> it's just that your distro of choice may not provide support mechanisms for such a choice
[17:04] <Eliz> you have the same amount of choice now that you did in the previous init system
[17:04] <Eliz> *shrug*..
[17:04] <wxl> yep
[17:04] <Eliz> so, invalid it would seem, but given the channel I'll keep that debate out of here.
[17:04] <wxl> indeed
[17:04] <wxl> that being said, you've got our support on 14.04 for as long as we can give it suncokret
[17:05] <Unit193> As of 15.05 you finally have a choice, before the system wouldn't work without upstart, for that release both are actually functional. :P
[17:05] <Eliz> s/05/04/
[17:06] <suncokret> much people say that systemd is bad, and that is no need to use it
[17:07] <suncokret> but someone force linux distros to must use systemd
[17:07] <Unit193> So how about you try it out and see if "it is bad" before you blindly follow the mass hurd.
[17:07] <wxl> any many people say it's not, suncokret, but this is a support channel and we're not going to entertain such discussions here.
[17:07] <suncokret> linus say it is bad...
[17:07] <wxl> suncokret: we are not going to entertain this discuss here.
[17:08] <wxl> s/discuss/discussion/
[17:09] <suncokret> where is chanell for discussion?
[17:09] <suncokret> :)
[17:10] <pleia2> there's no good place for a systemd argument
[17:10] <pleia2> it's been decided already
[17:10] <wxl> #lubuntu-offtopic but i'm not sure you'll find anyone agreeing with you. if that's what you're looking for, try #systemd-haters