[05:48]  * Kilos waves to the early birds
[05:48] <Kilos> yo nuvolari
[05:50] <Kilos> he has family visiting so kinda busy after work
[05:56] <superfly> Hi Kilos
[05:56] <Kilos> morning superfly all good with travelling today?
[05:57] <superfly> So far so good, 3 stations to got.
[05:58] <Kilos> yay
[05:58] <superfly> *go
[05:58] <Kilos> i gotta be off a while so i can put sim in fone and give vodacom gears
[05:59] <Kilos> 1 bar signal for 3rd day again , but full on fone
[05:59] <Kilos> grrr
[05:59] <superfly> OK, later oom Kilos
[05:59] <Kilos> ty superfly
[05:59] <Kilos> go safe
[06:00] <superfly> Kilos: I thought you were leaving
[06:01] <Kilos> sitting on hands till they warm then will disconnect
[06:01] <Kilos> hehe
[06:01] <superfly> ah, OK. One last stop before Cape Town
[06:03] <Kilos> bbl
[06:05] <superfly> Morning SmilyBorg
[06:05] <SmilyBorg> Morning :-)
[06:06] <superfly> Kilos: now I leave.  I know some
[07:49] <superfly> I need to translate something
[07:49] <nlsthzn> google translate?
[07:49] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[07:49] <Kilos> surely he is at work by now
[07:50] <superfly> nlsthzn: that's an idea
[07:51] <inetpro> Kilos: pong
[07:51] <superfly> inetpro: Don't you speak a little German?
[07:52] <Kilos> inetpro, morning can you help fly
[07:52] <Kilos> much nicer when a friend helps
[07:52] <Kilos> he speaks lotsa german
[07:53] <inetpro> superfly: hmm... how long?
[07:53] <superfly> inetpro: I just want to say, "Download via BitTorrent"
[07:53] <Kerbero> o
[07:53] <Kerbero> that is difficult to translate
[07:54] <Kerbero> i would just leave it as is
[07:54] <superfly> Google Translave gives me "Download über BitTorrent"
[07:54] <Kerbero> hmm
[07:54] <Kerbero> i woul rather make it mit
[07:54] <superfly> I originally thought of "Download mit BitTorrent"
[07:54] <superfly> heh
[07:54] <superfly> thanks Kerbero
[07:54] <Kerbero> but my grammer is crap
[07:54] <inetpro> Download über BitTorrent  sounds right
[07:55] <inetpro> eg. Die auf dem LinuxTag verteilte Knoppix-Version 4.0 steht nun zum Download über BitTorrent zur Verfügung.
[07:55] <inetpro> or alle bekannteren Linuxdistributionen und FreeBSD über BitTorrent erhältlich
[07:55] <Kilos> uber=over right?
[07:55] <Kerbero> yes
[07:55] <inetpro> Kilos: that's right
[07:56] <superfly> inetpro: thanks
[07:56] <Kilos> ty inetpro sorry to wake you so early
[07:56] <inetpro> superfly: np
[07:56]  * Kilos ducks
[07:56]  * inetpro stretches his self
[07:56] <inetpro> Kilos: what was that?
[07:57] <inetpro> :-)
[07:57] <Kilos> hehe
[08:07] <Kilos> nlsthzn, you are forgiven
[08:07] <Kilos> dont make a habit of it
[08:08] <nlsthzn> thx
[08:08] <Kilos> how do we know when you are at work or home
[08:09] <Kilos> are you using that bouncer thingie
[08:10] <Kilos> hi smile
[08:10] <smile> hi :)
[08:10] <smile> Kilos: so early awake :o
[08:10] <smile> Kilos: you have to sleep :)
[08:10] <nlsthzn> Kilos, no real way to know until I say so I guess
[08:10] <nlsthzn> but I am off for a bit now...
[08:11] <Kilos> lol already foned mobile provider and complained about connection and had a 30 min power cut
[08:11] <Kilos> ok neil
[08:11] <smile> Kilos: lol :p
[08:35]  * inetpro just created the G+ page for ubuntu-za
[08:35] <inetpro> at https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/112877206374340387802/112877206374340387802/posts
[08:35] <inetpro> sflr, superfly: I've added you guys as managers
[08:35] <sflr> thanks inetpro, got the invite! will update the page later.
[08:36] <nlsthzn> So much social media... so little time
[08:36] <inetpro> thought it could be handy with the new events launched on G+ yesterday
[08:38] <Kilos> well done inetpro we are growing
[08:38] <Kilos> spreading our wings
[08:40]  * nlsthzn will be going to the next UAE LoCo meeting... seems we are a bit leaderless at the moment and I have been called up to help get the ship sailing in the right direction...
[08:40] <sflr> I was actually thinking about last night to have a G+ page when I was fiddling with webmaster tools. there is an option to add +1 widget but requires G+ page
[08:40] <Kilos> yeah carry the flag high nlsthzn
[08:41] <sflr> inetpro: anything interesting on the new events?
[08:41] <sflr> good luck nlsthzn! make sure you dont sail around Somalia :)
[08:42] <Kilos> haha
[08:42] <nlsthzn> that would be taking the long way :)
[08:43] <inetpro> sflr: I'm not sure how useful it is yet, am just trying to check it out now
[08:49] <nlsthzn> well... added ubuntu-za G+ and Twitter... events are already annoying me :/
[08:50] <Kilos> lol
[08:51] <Kilos> the twitter ubuntuza is only for ubuntu-za specific messages nlsthzn so kinda quiet
[08:51] <nlsthzn> Kilos, that is a good thing :)
[08:51] <Kilos> yeah
[08:53] <inetpro> hmm... I think the proper link is at https://plus.google.com/u/0/112877206374340387802/posts
[08:54] <inetpro> nlsthzn: I noticed that it could be annoying
[08:54] <inetpro> but I guess it's mainly because everyone is trying it out now
[08:55] <inetpro> and they'll probably change things again
[08:55] <nlsthzn> true... but I can imagine peeps with lots of people in circles are going to suffer for it :p
[09:00] <inetpro> oops, I put the wrong date
[09:02] <sflr> nice invite... picnic in the park? haha
[09:07] <inetpro> sflr: those themes are cool but I'd say they should have an option to just disable it
[09:08] <inetpro> anyways, back to some work
[09:08]  * inetpro bbl
[09:08] <Kilos> k
[10:00] <inetpro> I must say there's one thing I like about the google events thing
[10:01] <inetpro> it seems to me you can now easily manage invites even to people without a google account
[10:02] <Kilos> hehe
[10:07] <sflr> inetpro: i changed the picnic photo. hehe
[10:07] <smile> bye :)
[10:07] <Kilos> cheers smile
[10:10] <inetpro> sflr: I noticed :-)
[10:18] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[10:25] <sflr> ok, will try to source some Ubuntu kind of design. hack it together from an UH party :)
[10:29] <Kilos> yo kodez
[10:29] <Kilos> sflr, dont you like the one at twitter?
[10:29] <kodez> hi Kilos, how are you?
[10:30] <Kilos> well ty kodez and you?
[10:30] <Kilos> or you want a big pic sflr
[10:31] <kodez> i am better than yesterday, thanks for asking. also I am enjoying using Lubuntu for the first time
[10:31] <Kilos> thats good
[10:34] <sflr> Kilos: it needs a banner size big picture. small avatar wont do it.
[10:37] <Kilos> aw maia will have that
[10:37] <Kilos> and those that helped with release parties and uh's
[10:37] <Kilos> maybe the fly knows where they are online
[10:40] <Kilos> inetpro, did you shrink the avatar for me or was it tiny to start with
[10:41] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[10:42] <psydroid> I have to go now, see you later today or this week
[10:42] <plustwo> hi all o/
[10:42] <Kilos> ok
[10:42] <psydroid> hi plustwo
[10:42] <Kilos> go well psydroid
[10:42] <Kilos> yo plustwo
[10:42] <plustwo> psydroid Kilos o/
[10:43] <psydroid> Kilos, I'm going to hitch-hike to Denmark and Poland after that, will not be online much :)
[10:43] <inetpro> Kilos: shrink the avatar?
[10:43] <psydroid> see you
[10:43] <Kilos> inetpro, the one you gave me for twitter
[10:43] <Kilos> enjoy psydroid
[10:44] <inetpro> Kilos: ahh, no it was like that
[10:44] <psydroid> thanks
[10:44] <inetpro> I just quickly hacked a bigger one together on g+ earlier this morning
[10:45] <inetpro> G+ wants it to be 250x250
[10:45] <inetpro> but for the events it needs to be wider
[10:46] <inetpro> sflr: what are you thinking of using?
[10:49] <Kilos> do you know where maia put them online inetpro i have a faint recolection of something like that
[10:49] <Kilos> voda just foned from capetown and said they will sent local guy out to my tower
[10:49] <inetpro> Kilos: logos?
[10:49] <sflr> inetpro: i saw some pictures from a launch party in GP. somewhere in a restaurant with laptops. I try to find it again. then just cut a strip from there and make it look nice. slap the logo on it too.
[10:50] <inetpro> sounds cool
[10:50] <Kilos> ?
[10:50] <inetpro> Kilos: "do you know where maia put them online..."
[10:51] <inetpro> what are you talking about?
[10:52] <Kilos> oh when the monkey or someone wanted some for uh's im sure the idea was to place them nonline to be used by whoever needed them
[10:52] <Kilos> banner pics etc methinks they were
[10:52] <inetpro> they should be in the monthly reports
[10:53] <inetpro> but no banner pics that I know of
[10:53] <Kilos> ah ty gussie
[10:53] <Kilos> i get things crossed at times
[10:53] <inetpro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/TeamReports
[10:54] <sflr> Kilos: I will make the banners, I just need photos :)
[10:54] <Kilos> are you inna hurry sflr ?
[10:55] <Kilos> i can mail maia and ask
[10:55] <Kilos> she just kinda busy at the mo methinks
[10:55] <sflr> not in a hurry Kilos, its a nice to have :) I might have time over the weekend to do it
[10:55] <Kilos> cool that gives us some time
[10:57] <inetpro> sflr: team reports are reflected at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports
[10:58] <inetpro> maia's blog: http://my-ubuntu-day.blogspot.com/
[10:59] <sflr> yeah, i was thinking about those cake pix ;)
[10:59] <Kilos> hehe always tummy kicks in
[11:00] <Kilos> will let you know when she answers mail
[11:01] <sflr> do we have Ubuntu stickers? my laptop says it needs one ;)
[11:01] <Kilos> lol yeah maia did that too
[11:01] <Kilos> hi que
[11:01] <Kilos> queery,
[11:02] <queery> hi oom Kilos
[11:03] <Kilos> i didnt crash your pc i see
[11:03] <Kilos> whew
[11:13] <Kerbero[dsp]> queery!
[11:14] <Kerbero[dsp]> goeiedag
[11:19] <queery> hi Kerbero[dsp]
[11:39] <Kilos> http://spreadubuntu.org/
[11:39] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Materials
[11:39] <Kilos> sflr, ^^
[12:00] <sflr> thanks Kilos
[12:08] <Kilos> yw its from maia
[12:11] <sflr> thanks maia
[12:13] <Kilos> Maaz, ubuntu materials
[12:13] <Maaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Materials  http://spreadubuntu.org/
[12:22] <Kilos> afternoon theblaze
[12:23] <theblaze> hi kilos
[12:25] <sflr> inetpro I added the G+ badge to the site. under the twitter feed.
[12:27] <HawkiesZA> Evening folks
[12:27] <Kilos> lo HawkiesZA
[12:28] <HawkiesZA> Anyone here know all sorts of things about Clonezilla?
[12:28] <HawkiesZA> lo Kilos
[12:30] <sflr> HawkiesZA: I know CZ, but never used it :|
[12:31] <HawkiesZA> I'm trying to clone one laptop to another
[12:31] <HawkiesZA> Got the source set up, but the target hates me
[12:33] <HawkiesZA> Apparently it's struggling to create the partition table on the target
[12:34] <sflr> did you format the target?
[12:35] <sflr> or you doing the Live one?
[12:35] <HawkiesZA> Live
[12:35]  * tumbleweed likes clonezilla live. esp netbooted
[12:36] <sflr> HawkiesZA: http://sourceforge.net/projects/clonezilla/forums/forum/663168/topic/4657187
[12:37] <sflr> deleting MRB they say
[12:37] <sflr> MBR
[12:37] <inetpro> sflr: very nice!
[12:38] <HawkiesZA> ok....
[12:39] <sflr> inetpro: I would put the G+ where the frogfoot logo is, but not sure if that would be politically correct :)
[12:43] <HawkiesZA> sflr: Still no luck :/
[12:46] <inetpro> sflr: that's probably superfly's ISP?
[12:46] <inetpro> but I agree it would be nice if we could make that more prominently visible at the top
[12:46] <superfly> sflr: yeah, I had the logo lower down, and it was "requested" that it be moved up
[12:49] <sflr> thats what I thought superfly. logo stays then :)
[12:51] <sflr> inetpro: I can move the search box into the side bar and line up the social media icons on top
[12:51] <inetpro> hmm...
[12:52] <inetpro> just try it and let's see what it looks like
[12:53] <inetpro> you can always change it back
[12:55] <sflr> I checked the search feature was not used lately, except 2 XSS tries
[12:56] <inetpro> well I guess we don't have that much to search anyway
[13:09] <sflr> inetpro: removed search from top and added it to the sidebar. adding the icons might be tricky. superfly will need to modify the site template, unless there is an easier way :)
[13:11]  * Kilos listens
[13:12] <Kilos> is the twet rightr inetpro
[13:12] <Kilos> eish tweet
[13:13] <inetpro> Kilos: eh, you're welcome
[13:14] <Kilos> dunno if i should thank the guy
[13:14] <Kilos> hehe
[13:47] <Kilos> wb confluency Hodgestar
[14:44] <Kilos> go home safe guys
[14:47] <smile4ever> bye :)
[14:49] <sflr> superfly: where can I edit the text on top of this page? http://ubuntu-za.org/get-ubuntu    "Type in a comma separated list of areas ..."
[15:09] <superfly> sflr: uh, in the vocabulary settings?
[15:09] <superfly> sflr: I can't remember where
[15:11] <sflr> ok, looked around. i will dig more. thanks
[15:17] <Kilos> grrr power again
[15:19] <superfly> Hi Kilos
[15:19] <Kilos> hi superfly all good there?
[15:19] <superfly> so far so good.
[15:19] <Kilos> yay
[15:52] <magespawn> evening all
[15:53] <sflr> hi
[15:53] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[15:53] <Kilos> yo sflr you still here?
[15:53] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:13] <superfly> hi magespawn
[16:45] <magespawn> hey superfly
[17:01] <magespawn> you know superfly, I still can't get you on google +
[17:02] <superfly> magespawn: weird
[17:03] <superfly> magespawn: on your phone again, or at a PC?
[17:03] <magespawn> using my flyer as a hot spot but linking through my laptop
[17:04] <superfly> Got Kopete or Pidgin or something
[17:04] <magespawn> i can find you no problem but no connection through gtalk
[17:04] <magespawn> have pidgin
[17:05] <superfly> can you set up your account in Pidgin?
[17:06] <magespawn> will do, just a sec
[17:07] <Kilos> superfly, can one use pidgin for g+
[17:08] <superfly> Kilos: no, just for Google Talk
[17:09] <Kilos> lol oh ty.
[17:09] <magespawn> this is on windows though
[17:09] <magespawn> can see how to add an account
[17:09] <magespawn> cannot
[17:09] <Kilos> pidgin is pidgin
[17:09] <Kilos> accounts
[17:10] <Kilos> mage maybe it has minimised your buddy list
[17:10] <magespawn> yup that was it
[17:13] <Kilos> stupid OS
[17:13] <magespawn> there we go superfly
[17:13] <magespawn> stupid user in this case
[17:14] <Kilos> lol
[17:14] <superfly> magespawn: I get an uber long and weird link that just takes me to a "help" page
[17:15] <magespawn> maybe i am not setting it up right
[17:15] <magespawn> what protocol should I use?
[17:16] <Kilos> for gtalk magespawn
[17:16] <Kilos> xmpp
[17:16] <magespawn> thats what I thought
[17:18] <superfly> $%^#$%^#$^ Google
[17:18] <superfly> Your message could not be delivered: "ah, there we go!", Reason: ""
[17:18] <superfly> yeah, awesome. no reason
[17:18] <magespawn> lol
[17:19] <magespawn> i can message you, does not even come back with an error
[17:21] <Kilos> haha
[17:21] <magespawn> it does say that you are not online and that it is not authorised
[17:22] <superfly> magespawn: I get yours, but none of mine are going through
[17:22] <magespawn> ha
[17:23] <superfly> magespawn: right-click on my name in your list, and see if you can "re-request authorization"
[17:23] <magespawn> done that twice now
[17:24] <Kilos> reboot pc
[17:24] <Kilos> its windows
[17:24] <magespawn> have tried switching it off and on again?
[17:24] <superfly> magespawn: I've tried the same from here, do you notice anything different?
[17:24] <magespawn> nope
[17:25] <magespawn> something not working right somewhere.
[17:26] <Kilos> magespawn, try getting gtalk itself
[17:27] <Kilos> we battled with tara as well but i think it woke up after a reboot of the pc
[17:27] <magespawn> superfly you just left the group chat
[17:27] <superfly> magespawn: yeah, I'm trying to figure out how to get this all to work
[17:28] <magespawn> i did see you there but not as any sign on, just a random string of numbers
[17:29] <Kilos> hehe
[17:32] <Kilos> yo cryptichorizon
[17:32] <superfly> magespawn: are you using something in particular to chat?
[17:33] <superfly> magespawn: I can see you online, and with video capabilities, apparently
[17:34] <magespawn> that might be my tablet, or my laptop. I am using tha laptop tethered through the wireless hotspot of the tablet
[17:34] <magespawn> skype?
[17:35] <superfly> I do
[17:35] <superfly> magespawn: my name and my surname as one word
[17:58] <Kilos> hi dLimit
[17:59] <Kilos> queery, whats with the crazy nick?
[17:59] <queery> what crazy nick
[18:00] <Kilos> isnt that you cryptichorizon
[18:00] <Kilos> queery, ^^
[18:03] <queery> oh haha no cryptichorizon is my boyfriend, he forgot to change the username field in xchat after I used it
[18:03] <queery> hehe
[18:03] <Kilos> lol though xchat was letting me down
[18:03] <Kilos> thought
[18:04] <queery> haha
[18:04] <queery> never
[18:04] <queery> hu?
[18:05] <Kilos> oh my chanserv left
[18:05] <queery> what the
[18:05] <magespawn> well hello then
[18:05] <Kilos> lo magespawn
[18:05] <magespawn> upgrades maybe
[18:05] <Kilos> ChanServ, wb
[18:06] <Kilos> haha cant reply
[18:07] <queery> that was wierd
[18:07] <Kilos> yeah must been a netsplit
[18:07] <Kilos> or someone ddosing irc again
[18:08] <queery> no that's not what a netsplit looks like
[18:09] <queery> no they are concentrating the DDoSing on uganda for now
[18:09] <queery> cryptichorizon, it was uganda right
[18:11] <smile4a> bye :)
[18:11] <Kilos> cheers smile
[18:11] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:12] <smile4a> Kilos: you too :D
[18:15] <cryptichorizon> yes it was Uganda
[18:17] <queery> hehe did steeds so bok
[18:18] <queery> nope
[18:19] <queery><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:37] <Kilos> magespawn, maybe you need pidgin-openpgp installed
[18:37] <Kilos> dunno if that will work on windows
[18:38] <magespawn> maybe, will have look, when I get a break
[18:38] <Kilos> dont break anything you might still need hey
[18:38] <Kilos> hehe
[18:42] <magespawn> nah everything can be fixed
[18:42] <magespawn> just do back ups
[19:00] <Kilos> hmmm cant copete do mxit?
[19:00] <Kilos> kopete
[19:04] <nlsthzn> doubt ir
[19:04] <nlsthzn> *it
[19:04] <nlsthzn> only pidgin I ever saw that could
[19:04] <Kilos> ty nlsthzn you missed lots
[19:05] <Kilos> i have quassel and konversation andchoqok
[19:05] <Kilos> now kopete too
[19:06] <nlsthzn> going KDE uncle Kilos ?
[19:06] <Kilos> trying to see what the kde peeps find better
[19:06] <Kilos> lol
[19:06] <nlsthzn> KDE is best when used as a whole
[19:06] <Kilos> all in maverick
[19:06] <nlsthzn> and choqok is the best twitter app out there IMO
[19:06] <Kilos> yeah when i get a cd i will give it a go
[19:06] <nlsthzn> get KDE 4.6 or later...
[19:06] <nlsthzn> really worth it
[19:07] <Kilos> do you use kde
[19:08] <nlsthzn> try it every now and again
[19:08] <nlsthzn> always back to Unity
[19:08] <Kilos> haha
[19:09] <nlsthzn> Just a few things that I don't like about KDE... but it is very good
[19:14] <magespawn> i like it and some of the programs i use only work on it.
[19:14] <magespawn> or work bettere on it
[19:14] <magespawn> better
[19:15] <magespawn> gc coffee on
[19:15]  * gc flips the salt-timer
[19:15] <Kilos> magespawn, put kopete on your windows and try jabber then
[19:15] <Kilos> hehe
[19:16] <magespawn> they do not say anything on their website about windows
[19:17] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:18] <magespawn> if i can get the source maybe we can compile a windows version
[19:19] <Kilos> no man pidgin must work
[19:19] <gc> Coffee's ready for magespawn!
[19:19] <Kilos> ian and debs use it on xp
[19:19] <magespawn> works for everybody except me and superfly
[19:20] <magespawn> i am on windows 7 so maybe thats the problem
[19:23] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[19:23] <Kilos> see youall morrow
[19:23] <magespawn> night kilos
[19:26] <magespawn> hah thats a good quit message
[19:35] <nlsthzn> :d
[19:44] <Symmetria> hrm
[19:44] <Symmetria> whos awake, I have a question
[19:44] <Symmetria> if you receive an email, from hostmaster@organization that clearly states a position and even ahs a ticket number in the subject line, would you consider that official communication
[19:48] <Kerbero> email is never official
[19:48] <Kerbero> but i guess i would
[19:49] <sflr> uhm maybe. but i would also look at the mail header
[19:49] <Symmetria> sflr oh, the email was very real
[19:50] <Symmetria> its just that the organization says "zomg, we hadnt made a decision yet, and that wasnt an official email"
[19:50] <Symmetria> they admit sending it, they just now say its not official communication
[19:50] <Symmetria> ?!
[19:50] <magespawn> thats odd
[19:50] <Kerbero> wow
[19:50] <Kerbero> thats not nice of them
[19:50] <sflr> ok, that is weird. what is an official email then? hand delivered?
[19:51] <Symmetria> magespawn LOL its because they tried to call my bluff on something, and when it didnt go the way they wanted
[19:51] <Symmetria> they suddenly needed to back peddle
[19:51] <Symmetria> infront of the community
[19:51] <magespawn> i know for legal perposes as soon as you opened the email you are deemed to have read it
[19:51] <sflr> it has a reference number to. so it did happen, nobody can deny it. wasnt a newsletter.
[19:51] <magespawn> purposes
[19:52] <sflr> magespawn: does email preview count? :)
[19:53] <magespawn> I think it does if it changes the status of the email to read
[19:53] <Kerbero> so one should mark all email as unread after you have read it?
[19:53] <sflr> ok. so it depends on the status of the email
[19:54] <magespawn> once the email has been read i understood there is a record of that even if you change the status back again
[19:55] <magespawn> and the email server would have a record of it being delivered
[19:56] <Symmetria> hehe
[19:56] <Symmetria> well, here is a funny story right
[19:56] <Symmetria> so a university requests IP space
[19:56] <sflr> yes, delivery can be proved, but reading not really
[19:56] <Symmetria> afrinic comes back and says, zomg, a university is a local internet registry and must pay local internet registry fees
[19:56] <magespawn> i think the law is trying to play catch up with electronic communication
[19:56] <Symmetria> we say, can someone please explain to us why a university is a local registry
[19:57] <sflr> superfly: can you please remove planet subdomain? http://planet.ubuntu-za.org/ thanks
[19:57] <Symmetria> afrinic say, because they have faculties and departments, so they are assigning space, the space isnt being used by themselves
[19:57] <Symmetria> we're like, bullshit, afrinic is like, no you're an lir, Im like, no we arent but if you wanna try make us one, Im gonna go to the community and implement policy that makes ALL universities end users
[19:57] <superfly> sflr: I can't do that, I don't have access to DNS
[19:57] <Symmetria> they are like, errr, no you wont, you're an LIR
[19:57] <Symmetria> so I write the policy and send it out to the community
[19:57] <Symmetria> the community goes, andrew is right
[19:57] <superfly> sflr: is it doing the same thing as the wiki?
[19:57] <superfly> ohi kbmonkey
[19:57] <Symmetria> afrinic goes, oh shit, all our renuve is about to disappear
[19:57] <Symmetria> lol
[19:58] <Symmetria> and tries to withdraw
[19:58] <sflr> yes superfly, same thing
[19:58] <superfly> mkay, I'll add redirection
[19:58] <sflr> thats a serious issue Symmetria. no going back on that.
[19:58] <Symmetria> sflr it a serious issue when they try screw a university outta 6500 dollars a year
[19:59] <sflr> Symmetria: is it a new expense or university was paying for it already?
[20:00] <magespawn> sflr thats why delivery counts as being read, same as with registered post
[20:00] <superfly> sflr: how's that?
[20:01] <sflr> perfect superfly. thanks. i saw canonical managing dns.
[20:01] <superfly> np
[20:02] <Symmetria> its a new expense
[20:02] <sflr> magespawn: true. it can get tricky though with international webmail
[20:03] <magespawn> well like the fact that I do not have to RICA my gmail accounts either.
[20:03] <sflr> superfly: i moved the search from top to sidebar. if I want to add social media icons on top right, does it require an template change?
[20:03] <sflr> haha @ magespawn. you can imagine.
[20:03] <superfly> uh, ja
[20:04] <magespawn> sflr is this all for the ubuntu-za site?
[20:04] <sflr> Symmetria: what you gonna do about it then? $65k a year is serious investment
[20:04] <sflr> magespawn: yes, made some cosmetic changes last few days
[20:05] <sflr> *$6,5k
[20:05] <magespawn> cool will check it out
[20:05] <Symmetria> heh sflr we are forcing afrinic to classify the university as an end user
[20:05] <Symmetria> which cuts the cost down to a coupla hundred dollars a year
[20:05] <Symmetria> we can do that through policy which is what we were doing
[20:05] <Symmetria> and afrinic suddenly shat itself when they realized we would actually be able to do it through policy
[20:05] <Symmetria> and there wasnt a damn thing they could do to stop it
[20:06] <magespawn> a friends husband works for afrinic
[20:06] <sflr> I wonder if they do the same with other universities
[20:06] <Symmetria> (afrinic works like this, anyone in the community can propose a policy, the policy then is tabled before the community, the community then votes on it, if there is consensus, the policy is passed and afrinic is bound by it)
[20:06] <Symmetria> which means that if you propose a policy, and then stack the meeting room at the next meeting full of your own people
[20:06] <superfly> sflr: done, you now have a block at the top called "Header"
[20:06] <Symmetria> you can pretty much pass anything
[20:07] <Symmetria> so, when they screw with academia like this, its simple, we pitch up at the next meeting with 100 people from all the different universities
[20:07] <Symmetria> and pass our own policy which changes the rules to how we want them
[20:07] <Symmetria> :p
[20:07] <Symmetria> LOL and there isnt a damn thing they can do to stop us doing that
[20:07] <magespawn> okay then nothing like a well balanced management then
[20:07] <sflr> superfly: thanks! I was just about to say I will make another plan. wow. you quick
[20:07] <Symmetria> magespawn those are the rules :) Im just using them
[20:08] <magespawn> indeed, always play by the rules
[20:08] <sflr> haha Symmetria, be the change :) I hope they dont change those rules regarding the policies
[20:08] <superfly> sflr: *shrug* it's Drupal, those sorts of things are fairly quick and easy
[20:08] <Symmetria> sflr oh, afrinic has run up against me before and lost
[20:08] <magespawn> when you know how
[20:08] <Symmetria> sflr lol, I never told you guys what happened at the last afrinic board elections?
[20:08]  * sflr is all ears
[20:09] <Kerbero> i'm listenign too
[20:09] <Symmetria> lol, the rules say that any member organization can either be at the meeting and vote for candidates, or they can appoint an official proxy
[20:09] <Symmetria> well? I know everyone....
[20:09] <magespawn> thats fairly normal
[20:09] <Symmetria> there were 97 votes cast int hat election...
[20:09] <Symmetria> I was holding 19 proxies :p
[20:09] <sflr> haha
[20:09] <Symmetria> magespawn whats not normal is that I was holding a 5th of the total vote :p
[20:09] <Symmetria> and if I'd actually tried I coulda doubled that number
[20:10] <sflr> I think you are going in afrinic black books soon ;)
[20:10] <Symmetria> sflr nah, afrinic keeps trying to get me to run for the board
[20:10] <sflr> yeah, but you follow the rules
[20:10] <Symmetria> they think having me on the board will shut me up
[20:10] <Symmetria> and let them control me
[20:10] <magespawn> did something similar for our school SGB
[20:10] <Symmetria> :P they obviously dont know me very well
[20:11] <sflr> yeah Symmetria you must stay on this side of the fence. hehe
[20:11] <Symmetria> sflr lol, even if I was on the board
[20:11] <sflr> superfly: when you pro is easy
[20:11] <Symmetria> I'd still kick and scream when they were being full of crap
[20:11] <sflr> Symmetria: if you get on the board, afrinic would change
[20:11] <Symmetria> sflr hell, I also stood up in tanzania at another afrinic meeting and told them their corporate governance was up to crap infront of 300 people
[20:12] <Symmetria> and demanded that they propose an annual report, budget and financials for the meeting, since the meeting constituted an AGM
[20:12] <Symmetria> lol, so this last meeting, they made DAMN sure in gambia they had the documents
[20:12] <Symmetria> because they got REAMED over that
[20:12] <superfly> sflr: I'm gonna make some slight tweaks to the theme quickly
[20:13] <Symmetria> I just cant believe they would try and back peddle on an official email
[20:15] <sflr_> something happened
[20:15] <sflr_> I was saying Symmetria that I can't believe they still have the guts to pull sorry emails on you after all this
[20:15] <sflr_> superfly: I wait until you finish with the changes
[20:15] <superfly> sflr_: Done
[20:16] <magespawn> do we have a google+ account for ubuntu-za
[20:16] <sflr> ok, thanks
[20:17] <sflr> magespawn: https://plus.google.com/112877206374340387802
[20:17] <sflr> there's a link from the website too, +1!
[20:17] <magespawn> mm i saw that, that was why i asked.
[20:18] <sflr> inetpro created it today
[20:20]  * inetpro gets up to see who's banging on the door
[20:21] <inetpro> ahh... it's just sflr?
[20:22] <sflr> was telling magespawn you created the G+ page today :)
[20:23] <magespawn> that animated picture for the meeting is pretty cool, looks almost like a live feed.
[20:24] <nlsthzn> +1
[20:39] <sflr> latest Cape Town weather update: rain started
[20:40] <Kerbero> o
[20:40] <Kerbero> then it will be here soon
[20:41] <Symmetria> lol
[20:41] <Symmetria> italy beat germany
[20:41] <Symmetria> thats funny
[20:42] <Kerbero> o, so that is what all the euro2012 facebook comments are about
[20:42] <sflr> yeah, finally Italy left the old players behind and now have a decent team
[20:42] <Kerbero> it all makes sense now
[20:44] <Symmetria> sflr, heh, balotelli though is a risk
[20:44] <Symmetria> always a huge risk
[20:44] <Symmetria> because if you get him on a good day, he's brilliant
[20:44] <Symmetria> get him on a bad day, he will throw a tantrum and get a red card
[20:44] <Squirm> evening
[20:45] <sflr> Symmetria, that's true, but it takes more than one player to make a good team :) I think Spain can start worrying now about the final. hehe
[20:46] <Symmetria> sflr heh, I dont think spain are terribly worried
[20:46] <sflr> hey Squirm
[20:46] <Symmetria> spain have easily got the strongest national side in the world at the moment, other than MAYBE brazil
[20:47] <sflr> yeah lets see. Spain didnt shine in euro2012. i was hoping for germany to crack the whip
[20:47] <Symmetria> sflr besides, let italy have the glory this time around, come next tournament half their squad will have been banned for match fixing (again)
[20:47] <sflr> and Argentina. haha
[20:48] <sflr> too unpredictable. it was a good tourny though. on the olympics soon! haha. but before that tour de france. I think there is too much sports happening throughout the year.
[20:49] <Kerbero> agreed
[20:49] <Kerbero> it is very bad for productivity
[20:49] <Kerbero> :P
[20:50] <sflr> Kerbero: is very bad for my sleep! lol
[20:50] <sflr> I was truly hoping tonight wont get to penalties :|
[20:51] <Kerbero> programming is bad for my time + bores me. but it is very good for the wallet
[20:51] <sflr> Kerbero: get somebody to do it for you? :)
[20:51] <Kerbero> i do
[20:52] <Kerbero> but sometimes there are stuff you have to do yourself
[20:52] <Kerbero> especially if the help is on holiday
[20:53] <sflr> true true
[20:56] <Banlam> sflr, but if you get someone else to do it you get less money
[20:57] <Kerbero> that too
[20:58] <sflr> Banlam: time is money, but money pays the bills. I agree with you, sometimes still good to outsource to talented youngsters
[20:58] <Kerbero> but some times getting money for work is not the most important
[20:58] <Banlam> like Kerbero and I?
[20:58] <Banlam> true
[20:58] <Banlam> it's mainly i don't trust other people to do things the way i want them done
[20:58] <Kerbero> the guy that contracted me to do this work is going to be vice rector now
[20:58] <Banlam> and i like knowing all aspects of somethign i'm working on
[20:59] <Kerbero> ie, the vice rector knows me -> good reference
[20:59] <Banlam> schoonwinkel?
[20:59] <Kerbero> jip
[20:59] <Banlam> what are you doing for him?
[20:59] <Kerbero> that books thing
[20:59] <Banlam> ?
[20:59] <Kerbero> o
[20:59] <sflr> will speak in 15 years time. haha
[20:59] <Kerbero> will tell you later
[21:00] <sflr> added Facebook 'like' on top of ubuntu-za.org. hope you 'Like' it :P
[21:00] <Banlam> :/ chrome and firefox are displaying something differnetly
[21:00] <Kerbero> *dislike*
[21:00] <Kerbero> where is my g+ ?
[21:01] <Kerbero> sflr: wouldn't it be nicer if the like is in the menu on the left?
[21:01] <Kerbero> less intrusive
[21:01] <sflr> Kerbero: is in the sidebar.
[21:02] <sflr> Kerbero: I want to line up social media icons on top
[21:02] <Kerbero> ok
[21:02] <Kerbero> will comment again when it is doen
[21:02] <Kerbero> done
[21:02] <sflr> I want to put it where the ISP logo is, but not possible. and the sidebar is keeps growing :)
[21:02] <Kerbero> well to be blunt, there are a lot of shit in that side bar
[21:05] <sflr> exactly, want to clean up there. but please come with suggestions :)
[21:05] <Banlam> while people are critiqueing
[21:06] <Banlam> http://gcawood.com/joomla2/index.php
[21:06] <Banlam> comments welcome
[21:08] <Kerbero> sflr: scrap the search
[21:08] <Kerbero> user login one line in the menu rather than an entire block
[21:08] <sflr> ok Kerbero
[21:09] <Kerbero> and i think the spaces between events are too big
[21:09] <Kerbero> one less newline should do
[21:09] <sflr> Banlam: AboutUs/ContactUs should be part of the menu
[21:09] <sflr> i see what you mean Kerbero
[21:09] <Symmetria> holy crap? there are some screwed up people out there
[21:09] <Symmetria> A university is an LIR IMHO if it provides IP transit services to its students who are, in effect residential subscribers.
[21:09] <Symmetria> Owen
[21:09] <Banlam> sflr, the horizontal menu?
[21:09] <Symmetria> ^^^ that dude is an idiot
[21:10] <Banlam> what mailing list is this on?
[21:10] <superfly> Banlam: your menu items look like they belong somewhere else ;-)
[21:10] <sflr> Banlam: yes, at the end of horizontal menu.
[21:10] <Banlam> superfly, I don't understand?
[21:11] <sflr> Symmetria: is that the best they could come up with? haha
[21:11] <Banlam> the ones on the left?
[21:11] <superfly> Banlam: they look out of place... the rest of the site is kinda plain and boring, and then the menu items look like they come from some web 2.0 menu item generator
[21:11] <superfly> Banlam: and on top
[21:12] <superfly> though the ones on top don't look that bad because they're all linked together
[21:12] <Banlam> ok, i understand what you're saying
[21:12]  * Kerbero is scared to link his heavily used website here
[21:13] <Kerbero> Banlam: i don't like it that all your headings differ
[21:13] <Kerbero> same font, same size, same colour would look better imho
[21:13] <Banlam> Kerbero, in the article?
[21:13] <Banlam> that contents jsut for testing pirposes
[21:13] <Kerbero> jip
[21:13] <Kerbero> ok
[21:14] <Kerbero> o, and you look stuckup in that photo
[21:14] <Kerbero> use a different one
[21:14] <Banlam> lol
[21:14] <Banlam> not me
[21:14] <Kerbero> haha
[21:14] <Banlam> and again, it's just for testing
[21:14] <Kerbero> it does look like you
[21:15] <Banlam> kinda i guess
[21:15] <Banlam> but it's not a very good quality photo
[21:15] <Kerbero> nope
[21:15] <Banlam> so it kinda looks like lots of people
[21:15] <Kerbero> haha
[21:15] <nlsthzn> Good night
[21:15] <Banlam> it's content which i copied from their current site
[21:15] <Banlam> just so there's somethign there
[21:15] <Kerbero> ok
[21:16] <Kerbero> one of *those* projects...
[21:16] <sflr> this looks better > http://www.firedisaster.co.za/
[21:16] <Banlam> slfr, yeah i know
[21:16] <Banlam> that's what i'm tryign to work on
[21:16] <Banlam> along with what the client wants
[21:16] <Banlam> they wanted simpler
[21:16] <sflr> oh, i recognized now with the picture. haha
[21:16] <Banlam> haha
[21:16] <Banlam> and i'm workign kinda from their designs
[21:17] <superfly> 0_o what was that... my scroll lock and caps lock lights came on and my computer froze
[21:17] <Banlam> well mockups that they wanted
[21:17] <Banlam> lulz
[21:17] <Kerbero> i prefer the type of website designing i do
[21:17] <Banlam> backend
[21:18] <Kerbero> more backend and very simple very functional frontend
[21:18] <Kerbero> people don't expect much
[21:18] <superfly> Banlam: suggestion #1 don't use Joomla
[21:18] <Kerbero> so i give them just a little bit more
[21:18] <Banlam> superfly, lol
[21:18] <superfly> Banlam: suggestion #2 use Drupal
[21:18] <Banlam> what do you suggest instead?
[21:18] <Banlam> lolno
[21:18] <Kerbero> haha
[21:18] <Banlam> i know joomla too well compared to drupal
[21:19] <Banlam> i've used drupal a bit
[21:19] <sflr> http://www.firehouse.com/
[21:19] <Banlam> but haven't done anything beyond just a plain website
[21:19] <Kerbero> i don't like cms's
[21:19] <Kerbero> but for sites like these i suppose you need to use one
[21:19] <Banlam> yeah
[21:20] <superfly> Banlam: Drupal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joomla
[21:20] <Banlam> superfly, from what perspective?
[21:20] <superfly> Banlam: any and all
[21:20] <Banlam> :/
[21:20] <sflr> I like wordpress. it comes down to personal preference i think.
[21:21] <Banlam> i run my blog on wordpress, and i like it
[21:21] <Banlam> for somethign simple
[21:21] <sflr> the site needs to be functional but esthetic too :)
[21:21] <Banlam> aesthetics aren't CMS dependent though
[21:21] <superfly> Banlam: more secure, better architected, faster, less maintenance headaches
[21:21] <Kerbero> Banlam: don't get hacked :P
[21:21] <sflr> just keep a backup :P
[21:21] <Banlam> kerbero, don't hack me ;P
[21:22] <Banlam> yeah, i will
[21:22] <Kerbero> backup, get hacked, restore backup, get hacked again
[21:22] <superfly> (also why I use Drupal for blogs and not WordPress - WordPress is like a sieve when it comes to security, it's full of holes)
[21:22] <Kerbero> poor banlam
[21:22] <Banlam> mm
[21:22] <sflr> Banlam: wasnt your site about rally pictures?
[21:22] <Banlam> my WP hasn't been hacked since i did a complete overhaul in decemeber
[21:22] <Banlam> sflr, it isn't about that, but does include
[21:23] <sflr> I run many wordpress sites, didnt get hacked yet. its just matter of time I guess :)
[21:23] <Banlam> the header is a rally image
[21:23] <Banlam> my current WP doesn't have any extras
[21:23] <Banlam> besides akismet
[21:23] <sflr> Banlam: ok, saw some rally cars the other day :)
[21:23] <Banlam> and wordpress stats
[21:23] <Banlam> sflr, well i did a blog post on tuesday with a few pics from a rally this last weekend
[21:24] <Kerbero> interesting how nobody wants to hack weather API's
[21:24] <Banlam> kerbero, your site doesn't have any inputs though
[21:24] <Banlam> and the fact that your API is 100% your own doing
[21:24] <Kerbero> haha
[21:24] <Banlam> there's not a huge market
[21:24] <Kerbero> indeed
[21:24] <Banlam> rather find a WP flaw
[21:24] <sflr> weather API? hacked or not will still say the wrong info ;)
[21:24] <Banlam> and tehn write a script to hack every website with it
[21:25] <Banlam> "The trouble with weather forecasting is that it's right too often for us to ignore it and wrong too often for us to rely on it." - Patrick Young
[21:25] <Kerbero> sflr: measurements, not forecasts
[21:25] <sflr> what website is that?
[21:25] <Kerbero> no
[21:25] <Kerbero> don't tell him
[21:25] <sflr> oh ok
[21:25] <Kerbero> then i'll get comments about my bad layout :P
[21:25] <Banlam> kerbero why not?
[21:25] <Kerbero> weather.sun.ac.za
[21:25] <Banlam> it's not that bad
[21:25] <sflr> haha
[21:26] <Banlam> it get's the job don
[21:26] <Banlam> e
[21:26] <Kerbero> "it's too blue"
[21:27] <sflr> its good informative.
[21:27] <sflr> distinctive blocks, not all flow together
[21:27] <sflr> i like this: "You are visiting this website from somewhere on The Internet."
[21:27] <Kerbero> hahaha
[21:27] <Kerbero> yeah
[21:27] <Kerbero> "You are visiting from the Stellenbosch campus. IP = <IP_ADDRESS>"
[21:28] <sflr> do you have your own weather station? or is it more like a mashup from different sources?
[21:28] <Kerbero> i have three different weather stations i pull the data from directly
[21:29] <Kerbero> then i do some averaging+failover
[21:29] <sflr> that's cool
[21:29] <Kerbero> the project is running for 4 years now
[21:29] <sflr> where is the Indoor place?
[21:29] <Kerbero> time to write some decent stat reporting pages
[21:29] <sflr> webcam is cool. I must look at it during the day. haha
[21:30] <Kerbero> yes you should
[21:30] <Kerbero> indoor measurements are useless
[21:30] <Banlam> webcam isn't great though :P
[21:30] <Banlam> even during the day
[21:30] <Kerbero> sflr: nice banner picture at the top he?
[21:30] <Banlam> :P
[21:31] <Banlam> my inside temperature at the momen goes up and down between 15 and 19
[21:32] <Kerbero> my room is 17.4
[21:32] <Banlam> haven't seen it out of that range in the past few weeks
[21:32] <Kerbero> 13.4 outside my window
[21:32] <Banlam> I'm at 15.9atm
[21:32] <Banlam> 13 outside, well at the airport
[21:32] <Banlam> i'm too lazy to put the thermometer out the window
[21:32] <Kerbero> ubuntu just told me i'm screwed
[21:33] <Banlam> oh?
[21:33] <sflr> its nice. did you take the panoramic pic?
[21:33] <Kerbero> and that i have to buy a 2k peice of hardware
[21:33] <Kerbero> http://www.jpmeijers.com/full_hdd.png
[21:33] <Kerbero> sflr: banlam did
[21:33] <sflr> wow, you must get into photography :)
[21:34]  * Banlam does it as a hobbt
[21:34] <Banlam> y
[21:35] <sflr> original: faklogo.jpg
[21:35] <Kerbero> hmm
[21:35] <Kerbero> no
[21:36] <Kerbero> that is the logo on the right
[21:36] <sflr> I know :)
[21:37] <Kerbero> http://weather.sun.ac.za/sources/wolke.jpg
[21:37] <Kerbero> there we go
[21:37] <Kerbero> should have an hd one somewhere
[21:37] <sflr> the google maps show 4 stations
[21:37] <Kerbero> jip
[21:37] <Kerbero> read
[21:37] <Kerbero> and you will know
[21:37] <Kerbero> the middle one is not weather
[21:37] <Kerbero> well
[21:37] <Kerbero> not really
[21:38] <sflr> the image one?
[21:38] <sflr> that image is really beautiful
[21:39] <sflr> Sonbesie > sun radiation
[21:39] <Kerbero> yes
[21:39] <Kerbero> quite an expensive piece of hardware
[21:39] <Kerbero> few hundred k
[21:39] <Banlam> o.O
[21:39] <Banlam> universities have so much money
[21:40] <Banlam> but they're sooo stingy wiht how they give it out
[21:40] <Kerbero> well... their sponsors do
[21:40] <Kerbero> and it is meant for renewable energy research
[21:40] <sflr> does the solar graphs come from Sonbesie? weather.sun.ac.za/graphs/SolarGraphs.php
[21:40] <Kerbero> so there is more money
[21:40] <Kerbero> sflr: no
[21:40] <Kerbero> they are from the M&M station
[21:40] <sflr> ah, universities all the same :) at least you guys can play with expensive toys!
[21:41] <Kerbero> http://weather.sun.ac.za/graphs/SolarradToday.php
[21:41] <Kerbero> what would give a better graph
[21:41] <Kerbero> with both stations' values
[21:41] <Kerbero> max of only 500watt/m^2
[21:41] <Kerbero> that is low
[21:42] <Kerbero> in summer we get >1k
[21:42] <sflr> short days probably
[21:42] <Kerbero> sun is far away
[21:42] <sflr> very interesting. I must visit your site tomorrow again
[21:43] <Kerbero> you can download the data if you want
[21:43] <Kerbero> and draw your own graphs and/or stats
[21:43] <Kerbero> hmm
[21:43] <Kerbero> i should try and download everything again
[21:43] <Kerbero> last time i did it i killed the server
[21:43] <Kerbero> :(
[21:44] <sflr> haha. first I browse it :)
[21:44] <sflr> data must be huge if it goes back for years
[21:44] <Kerbero> Symmetria's old server was quite a beast 10 years back
[21:45] <Kerbero> but 10GB of memory is not that much anymore
[21:45] <Kerbero> sflr: it became huge when i started logging minutely rather that 10 minutely
[21:46] <sflr> yeah, 10GB really small these days
[21:46] <sflr> can you receive images from weather satellites?
[21:46] <Kerbero> yes
[21:46] <Kerbero> but i think the radio is broken
[21:46] <Kerbero> need to have a look at it
[21:47] <Kerbero> but time...
[21:47] <sflr> that's awesome. wanted to do something like that
[21:47] <sflr> I think if you want to hack a weather API, you need to start getting to the source, the satellite :)
[21:48] <Banlam> lol
[21:48] <Banlam> that would be an epic way to get into the system
[21:48] <Banlam> manipulatin the data the satelite receives :P
[21:48] <Kerbero> lol
[21:50] <sflr> everybody relies on the satellite data. nobody will know its 0wned
[21:51] <magespawn> Kerbero, I would take taht machine now though
[21:51] <magespawn> that
[21:52] <Kerbero> what do you need so much ram for?
[21:52] <sflr> ok guys, i'm outta here. thanks for the chat. and keep up the good work on the site :)
[21:52] <magespawn> agg no, I just like having big spec
[21:52] <Kerbero> haha
[21:52] <magespawn> like bragging rights
[21:52] <Kerbero> i have another server laying on top of this one
[21:53] <Kerbero> to which i want to migrate
[21:53] <Kerbero> 16GB ram
[21:53] <Banlam> magespawn sounds very similar to Kerbero
[21:53] <Kerbero> the current one has a dualcore 2.8GHz (p4 series) cpu
[21:53] <Kerbero> ^ xeon
[21:53] <Kerbero> the new one is a generation newer
[21:53] <Kerbero> and >3GHz
[21:53] <Kerbero> so it should make everything a little snappier
[21:54] <Kerbero> BUT
[21:54] <Kerbero> those specs are nothing
[21:54] <Kerbero> the real nice specs is the hdd sie
[21:54] <Kerbero> size
[21:54] <Kerbero> which is also not THAT big these days
[21:55]  * Kerbero sees he's monologuing here
[21:55] <Banlam> conversation <
[21:56] <magespawn> i do not work on server machines unfortunately
[21:56] <Kerbero> magespawn: if you like nice specs, get yourself an invy bridge
[21:56] <Kerbero> *ivy
[21:56] <magespawn> just desktops that i have loaded server software on
[21:56] <Kerbero> those things are awesome
[21:56] <magespawn> money tends to be the problem
[21:56] <Kerbero> hehe
[21:57] <Kerbero> that's why i don't have one
[21:57] <Kerbero> but am stuck with 10y old servers
[21:57] <Kerbero> that i bought for next to nothing
[21:57] <magespawn> ahh well there we go then
[21:58] <Kerbero> hopefully my i5 ivy arrives on tuesday
[21:58] <magespawn> did have a chance to look at a sun X2100, but only briefly
[21:59] <Kerbero> sparc cpu?
[21:59] <Kerbero> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys9SfkBtjpw
[21:59] <Kerbero> my ears
[22:00] <magespawn> i am not sure, did not want to boot completly, bios could not detect the cpu fan
[22:00] <Kerbero> sounds almost as bad as the weather.sun one before i brought a sidecutter near it
[22:01] <magespawn> and when I did get it running the os was windows server 2003 I think, password locked and nobody could remember the password. and that so far is the end of it
[22:02] <Kerbero> x86 based
[22:02] <Kerbero> but ok, need to write a little bit of code
[22:02] <Kerbero> cheers
[22:02] <magespawn> cheers Kerbero
[22:03] <magespawn> good night all


[01:48] <micahg> knome: when
[01:48] <micahg> when's the next meeting
[10:35] <SpiKe_Spiegel> hi all
[10:36] <SpiKe_Spiegel> I have a question : what version of Xfce is going to be included in the next Xubuntu LTS ? (4.8 or 4.10)
[10:37] <baizon> for now its 4.8
[10:37] <SpiKe_Spiegel> Xfce 4.10 final release is planned on March 3th, nearly two months before Xubuntu 12.04 release, so I wonder if it's too late for Xfce 4.10 implementation or not :p
[10:38] <SpiKe_Spiegel> @baizon: alright
[10:38] <meetingology> SpiKe_Spiegel: Error: "baizon:" is not a valid command.
[10:38] <baizon> :D
[10:38] <baizon> im not a valid command? why why!? :(
[10:59] <ochosi> SpiKe_Spiegel: yeah, but if you read the xfce-dev mailinglist a bit you know that they most likely won't stick to that date
[11:06] <ochosi> and morning everyone
[14:53] <knome> i can't attend meeting this weekend or monday either
[14:54] <knome> we really need to get a new schedule and meetings that do not pend on me
[15:05] <ochosi> hey knome
[15:05] <knome> hey ochosi
[15:06] <ochosi> started to re-organise the greybird code for better readability today
[15:06] <knome> nice, are you adding comments too?
[15:06] <ochosi> will take quite some more work, but i think that should also fix most of the bugs
[15:06] <ochosi> i'm only working on gtk3 atm
[15:06] <ochosi> what kind of comments would you want?
[15:07] <knome> at some point it would be nice if the theme documented pretty much every definition
[15:07] <knome> or at least every definition block
[15:07] <ochosi> hmm, every definition sounds rather tedious
[15:07] <ochosi> i mean i can see why it would be useful
[15:07] <ochosi> but in a way it's a lot of duplication
[15:07] <knome> it could be a file in the repo only
[15:08] <ochosi> better murrine/unico docu would be better
[15:08] <knome> doesn't need to be published, if you think that has downsides
[15:08] <knome> o'rly...
[15:08] <ochosi> no, i don't see downsides apart from that being quite a bit of work for me with dubious gain :)
[15:09] <ochosi> (dubious because you'll hardly hear about it)
[15:09] <knome> heh
[15:14] <ochosi> meh, i shouldn't have started with rebasing parts of greybird on ambiance
[15:15] <knome> hah
[15:15] <ochosi> otoh it might be the only way to clean up the code where it's messy and fix a few bugs
[18:17] <GridCube> sup
[18:18] <GridCube> there is a meeting today?
[18:19] <madnick> dunno, i don't think so since knome said he cant attend
[18:27] <GridCube> :(
[18:28] <GridCube> well luckly classes ended last week so ill be able to attend some meetings i hope
[19:58] <jussi> knome: ping
[20:30] <Pjotr> Hello, I'm not sure whether I need to submit a feature request at Launchpad, because maybe the feature involved, already exists.
[20:30] <Pjotr> I want to lock the panels of Xubuntu and as much of it's desktop environment as possible, for a user who has a history of accidentally damaging his desktop environment (removing panels and such). I know how to do that in Gnome, but not in Xfce.
[20:30] <Pjotr> Does Xubuntu have this feature, or should I submit a feature request?
[20:32] <mr_pouit> kiosk mode
[20:33] <mr_pouit> http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=20556#p20556 for the panel
[20:39] <Pjotr> mr_pouit: this looks promising! Thank you.
[21:04] <micahg> knome: is there a meeting today or tomorrow?
[21:06] <astraljava> madnick said knome cannot attend, so doubtful.
[21:06] <micahg> meetings aren't incumbent on knome attending
[21:07] <micahg> ochosi: quadrispro uploaded a new gmusicbrowser to Debian, we'll get it next week
[21:08] <micahg> and if knome has a problem with the meeting times, let's agree on new meeting times :)
[21:21] <Unit193> [09:53:36] < knome> i can't attend meeting this weekend or monday either
[21:21] <Unit193> [09:54:36] < knome> we really need to get a new schedule and meetings that do not pend on me
[21:21] <micahg> ah, while I was disconnected
[21:26] <Unit193> micahg: Got a sec (in the other channel maybe) to figure out a FF bug/weirdness?
[21:27] <micahg> Unit193: was about to head out, but let's see, which channel?
[21:29] <ochosi> micahg: thanks!
[21:29] <micahg> ochosi: The only thing I did was not update it :)
[21:29] <ochosi> hehe
[21:29] <ochosi> btw, i'm refactoring the greybird code
[21:29] <ochosi> it
[21:29] <ochosi> it's a partial rewrite
[21:30] <ochosi> hope i can fix the few outstanding bugs this way and get a better look in some places


[00:18] <Daekdroom> !schedule
[00:41] <OerHeks> Oneiric beta 2 runs great, sofar :-)
[00:57] <Kronsby> how do you upgrade from ubuntu 11.10 beta 1 to 11.10 beta 2
[00:58] <rww> Kronsby: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:58] <rww> !final
[00:58] <rww> (also applies to milestone dev releases)
[00:59] <Kronsby> thanks!
[02:19] <micahg> how do I change system fonts size?
[02:19] <Viper550> micahg, get gnome-tweak-tool
[02:19] <Viper550> cause Gnome 3 happened, and it crippled everything else
[02:19] <micahg> Viper550: thanks
[02:19] <Viper550> it also gives you more themes than just Ambiance/Radience
[02:20] <micahg> that requires shell :(
[02:20] <micahg> jbicha: is there a reason for that ^^
[02:23] <jbicha> micahg: gnome-tweak-tool crashes if the gnome-shell gsettings schemas aren't installed
[02:23] <Viper550> and gnome-tweak-tool can set gnome-shell themes too
[02:23] <micahg> jbicha: that seems like a packaging snafu
[02:24] <micahg> and a bug in gnome-tweak-tool that it's required :(
[02:25] <jbicha> micahg: the upstream dev was blaming dconf/gsettings for it, but maybe a try: test should be used
[02:25] <micahg> jbicha: any other packages like this that just require the schemas?
[02:26] <jbicha> none that I can think of off-hand, but maybe ccsm will once compiz switches to gsettings
[02:27] <micahg> hmmm, probably not worth it for one package, but I was thinking gnome-shell-common...
[02:28] <jbicha> micahg: yeah, gnome-shell is just one package with a bunch of dependencies
[02:28] <jbicha> getting the bug fixed is a prerequisite to getting Unity configs into gnome-tweak-tool which I think a lot of people would like to see
[02:29] <micahg> jbicha: the alternative is create gnome-shell-common with the schemas file :)
[02:29] <Viper550> Also is it me, or does the installer from "Install Ubuntu" option have no wallpaper?
[02:32] <td123> so I heard that unity supports a fallback, or gnome2 interface?
[02:33] <Viper550> td123, no it doesn't. Its got a 2D port now
[02:33] <td123> oh, did it use to?
[02:33] <Viper550> td123, previous version used Gnome 2.x as the fallback
[02:33] <td123> oh
[02:33] <td123> ok
[02:33] <Viper550> due to Gnome 3, they can no longer offer this by default
[02:37] <td123> lastly, does ubuntu plan on ever supporting a gnome3 spin of ubuntu?
[02:37] <td123> or is it just putting all of its weight behind unity
[02:39] <rww> Unity uses GNOME 3. If you mean "GNOME Shell", no.
[02:39] <rww> (Although GNOME Shell is in the repositories, just not a separate spin.)
[02:40] <rww> !notunity
[02:41] <td123> ok, ya
[02:41] <td123> I was only speaking about gnome-shell
[02:42] <jbicha> except that gnome-shell is uninstallable today :(
[02:42] <rww> true
[02:42] <micahg> what's broken?
[02:43] <rww> 23:45 < bjsnider> macer1, gnome-shell 3.2 rc1 is waiting to be built pending the arrival of dependencies. when those are built, the shell will be. i would hold off on updating until then
[02:44] <jbicha> micahg: we're waiting on caribou but Debian (bigon) might reshuffle how things are installed and didn't want to do a C/R if not necessary
[02:44] <micahg> oh, right, caribou
[02:45] <jbicha> but I don't want to wait all weekend so we'll see...
[02:45] <td123> thanks, bye
[02:46] <jbicha> and the cogl transition happened at the same time
[02:51] <bjsnider> jbicha, i say wait until it's done right. anybody running oneiric right now is fully aware that breakage happens and if they update anyway it's their own fault
[02:54] <bjsnider> caribou was only packaged in debian 2 weeks ago, so it's an infant
[02:56] <jbicha> lol, it's too experimental to even land in Debian experimental :)
[02:58] <td123> hi, just came in to say that I might have spotted a bug in the beta 2 installer, when you select the erase my hdd and click next, it autoselects the /dev/zram or something similar dev node, this is obviously a bug as it shouldn't be there
[03:02] <bjsnider> td123, if you believe that's a bug, submit a bug report to launchpad
[03:05] <rww> !bug
[03:05]  * rww ponders adding "IRC channels are not a replacement for actually filing bugs in Launchpad." a la /topic
[03:09] <td123> do you think it's a bug?
[03:10] <bjsnider> td123, no one will come to your house and kill you if it isn't. and if it is you will have helped fix it. the package is "ubiquity" i think
[03:11] <td123> hmm, launchpad.net doesn't seem to be working atm
[03:12] <td123> nvm
[03:15] <td123> fine, I'll file a bug, couldn't find anything related which was reported
[03:23] <DeviceZer0> anyone know why the stable thunderbird ppa has been disabled? https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/thunderbird-stable is it due to ubuntu now using tb?
[03:24] <micahg> DeviceZer0: because Firefox 7 isn't released yet?
[03:24] <micahg> DeviceZer0: you can still get 6.0.2 which is the current stable
[03:25] <micahg> I'll reenable publishing on release day after upstream releases
[03:28] <DeviceZer0> well..ive been using the thunderbird ppa on 11.04
[03:28] <DeviceZer0> trying to see what ppa's have been built for 11.10 so far...trying to install beta2
[03:29] <micahg> DeviceZer0: oneiric has 7.0b3 for thunderbird which is latest current
[03:29] <DeviceZer0> oh. ok. awesome
[03:29] <DeviceZer0> i guess i was still in the mindsight of ubuntu having old versions...
[03:29] <DeviceZer0> as iirc has been the case in the past
[03:30] <micahg> dev release is usually up to date
[06:11] <knightstalker> Heyz,libcogl2 is removed so partial upgrade is necessary and expected?
[06:14] <urlin2u> knightstalker, I still have libcogl2,and get the same partial, in general these things work themselves out; by waiting for the packages missing to be included, i other words updae at your own risk.
[06:14] <urlin2u> in*
[06:14] <knightstalker> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1848491
[06:15] <knightstalker> "New clutter (libclutter0_1.8.0-1) and mutter (libmutter0_3.1.92) depend on libcogl5 instead of old libcogl2. This is why you cannot install them now or else, gnome-shell is removed"
[06:15] <knightstalker> Doesn't seem to be missing,but to be replaced
[06:15] <knightstalker> licogl5 will be installed as additional package in this update
[06:16] <urlin2u> missing in the update cluster.
[06:17] <knightstalker> you mean that even if its replaced,they can do something that Update Manager makes sure its safe?
[06:17] <knightstalker> If thats the case I thing I'll wait :p
[06:17] <knightstalker> think*
[06:19] <urlin2u> knightstalker, I'm not a developer, but if this is the problem it will be worked out, I'm not updating as well till all is clear, I ran a update && upgrade and it failed as well, before checking the update manager, I rarely use it lol.
[06:21] <knightstalker> Thanks :)
[06:32] <bullgard4> What does this response mean: '~$ sudo dhclient eth0; RTNETLINK answers: File exists.'?
[06:52] <Volkodav> what's up with gir1.2-cogl-1.0 <== causes partial upgrade for 2 days now ?
[07:04] <jbicha> Volkodav: it's only been 24 hours & we're waiting on caribou which might be a couple days
[07:06] <Volkodav> ok so to wait is a good option
[08:07] <Q-FUNK> seems that gnome-shell and gnome-tweak-tool both need a rebuild against recent gnome3 depends. is it worth filing a bug for that?
[08:07] <micahg> Q-FUNK: gnome-shell is dep-wait
[08:09] <micahg> Q-FUNK: gnome-tweak-tool should be fine after gnome-shell builds
[08:10] <Q-FUNK> micahg: ah, it's already queued?
[08:11] <micahg> Q-FUNK: yep, 3.1.92 is waiting on caribou
[08:11] <Q-FUNK> ok, good to know. thanks!
[08:12] <micahg> Q-FUNK: gjs needs sponsoring if you're up for it, so gnome-shell won't need yet another rebuild when caribou comes along :)
[08:12] <Q-FUNK> I also have another issue, but I'm not usre what is causing it.  even though this desktop has always been configured to use fi_FI, gnoem suddenly thinks that I'm using lv_LV.  since this is gnome3, I have no idea what could cause it. any hint?
[08:13] <Q-FUNK> micahg: I sadly don't have rights to main, except for one package.
[08:13] <micahg> not me, sorry, but some of the other wise people might
[08:13] <micahg> Q-FUNK: all this stuff is in universe
[08:13] <Q-FUNK> is it just a straight build upload?
[08:14] <micahg> it's a bzr branch in the sponsorship quee
[08:14] <micahg> *queue
[08:14] <micahg> Q-FUNK: we should probably move to -motu to discuss it
[08:34] <thotz> hello, has anyone this problem: when I close a maximized window then there are a few black stripes at the top left side?
[08:36] <thotz> i
[08:36] <thotz> i am using beta 2
[09:36] <vega-> how do i disable this "crash report system", appport or whatever?
[09:36] <vega-> i don't need it popping up every 2 minutes when something crashes
[09:37] <vega-> besides it never manages to send any reports for that matter
[09:39] <moin> I am not able to install gnome-shell after upgrading to beta2, i get the error: gnome-shell : Depends: libcogl2 (>= 1.7.4) but it is not going to be installed
[09:40] <moin> i have all my required repositories enabled.
[09:42] <moin> someone help  me with the above problem.
[09:47] <moin> am i in the wrong channel or what, someone surely knows how i can resolve the problem above, i thought we have  ubuntu developers here,or just a bunch of helpless users?
[09:47] <hej> moin, and the problem is?
[09:47] <tomodachi> moin: you sure know how to ask for help
[09:48] <moin> i just posted  above about not being able to install gnome-shell after upgrading to beta2, i get the  error: nome-shell : Depends: libcogl2 (>= 1.7.4) but it is not going to be  installed
[09:48] <moin> tomodachi: hej ^
[09:48] <hej> you've proberbly got this question a few times but... what is the updated ETA on Beta2? according to the roadmap it was scheduled to yesterday
[09:49] <moin> hej: am afraid, so?
[09:49] <moin> what if it was scheduled for yesterday?
[09:50] <vega-> beta2 is released, read the topic
[09:50] <moin> i installed it and it broke my gnome3-session in favor of unity which i dont find appealing at all
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> moin: are there any bugs reported?
[09:51] <ActionParsnip> moin: Unity runs in Gnome3, Unity is not a DE
[09:52] <moin> ActionParsnip: bug 856481, after a google
[09:53] <moin> ActionParsnip: i know unity runs in gnome3, what i care for is gnome3-shell, unity shell, am afraid, sucks!
[09:53] <ActionParsnip> moin: I use LXDE so imho Gnome Desktop in general sucks
[09:53] <ActionParsnip> moin: I do however use it so I can help others
[09:56] <moin> ActionParsnip: gnome desktop sucks too, i dont differ, but with gnome-shell extensions, its customizable. Unity isnt customizable, that, i beleive is why many *open* source users detaste it
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> moin: I've also seen people with dual screens suffer with it
[09:57] <moin> Gnome2 interface sucked compared to windows* interfaces, but we still survived as linux users because Gnome was customizable. You could do away with the panels and have awn and cairo dock beutify your desktop
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> KDE is nice and simple too
[09:59] <moin> tell me how i can do away with that dash, or taskbar or whatever unity develpers call it, its almost impossible. Gorcing users to have to do with what comes with the OS, doesnt microsoft do that too, Canonical is slowly becoming the Microsoft of Linux Community
[10:00] <ActionParsnip> moin: install a different DE and you will be fine
[10:00] <hej> :)
[10:00] <ActionParsnip> moin: xfce is a lot like gnome2 classic desktop
[10:00] <moin> ActionParsnip: anyways about Gnome3-shell being installable, i got the answer here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11277115
[10:01] <moin> so i'll be patiant till packages arte rebuilt
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> moin: they don't for ce you in any way at all. There is Kubuntu, XUbuntu and LUbuntu which do not use the Unity stuff you dislike. YOU chose to install the gnome based one..
[10:02] <vega-> i think canonical tries to mimic apple more than microsoft...
[10:03] <moin> ActionParsnip: I LOVE gtk3, its cooler than the counterparts used in KDE or XFCE so i'll stick to Gnome, do away with what sucks and live happily ever after. but I cant and I believe even Shuttleworth himself usually experiences trouble with Unity.  I don't care personally. Just change DE and your moaning will stop
[10:05] <ActionParsnip> oh well
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> jml: check power options first
[10:06] <jml> ActionParsnip: Of course. There's no option at all for dimming the display.
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> jml: could run:  ubuntu-bug acpi
[10:10] <jml> There's a checkbox under "Screen" that says "Dim display to save power"
[10:10] <jml> But no way of enabling that for battery usage.
[10:59] <gnomie> oneiric [unity2d] successfully installed on pentium4 2.66ghz, 1 gig ram, integrated graphics! :D
[11:00] <macer1> gnomie, and how it works ;)?
[11:00] <gnomie> usb wifi dongle too.. it works~!
[11:01] <gnomie> ubuntuone is behaving quite well too as far as sync'ing and nautilus integration
[11:02] <gnomie> oneconf-query has been bugging out though
[11:03] <vega-> it keeps crashing all the time
[11:04] <gnomie> thunderbird's setup is quite elegant too. impressed
[11:05] <gnomie> no more googling about it
[11:07] <gnomie> the installer is slick as well.. glad to see it doesn't 'check' if the puter is plugged in [lulz]
[11:08] <gnomie> too long enough to scratch that one
[11:09] <gnomie> s/too/took
[11:12] <gnomie> but, was sad that software center didnt list irssi [only smuxi] had to install via terminal [which kinda eluded me when tried to search for it in dash]
[11:12] <gnomie> terminal , that is
[11:13] <gnomie> it shows up now though..
[11:13] <gnomie> whew
[11:17] <gnomie> another weird thing that happens every time i fresh install is that launchpad refuses to accept my password
[11:17]  * gnomie shrugs
[11:18] <gnomie> once i get it going [setting a new one] is fine
[11:26] <greywulf> ubuntu 10.04 update manager offering a partial upgrade. Is this bad?
[11:29] <arand> greywulf: Tends to be, although, depends on the circumstance, also, 10.04 is supported in #ubuntu
[11:34] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:35] <kbroulik> hm the Kernel 3.0 changelog says "Native screen brightness changing for intel i915" but without acpi_osi=Linux nothing happens and with acpi_osi=Linux the brightness is changeable but in weird steps. dark, extremly bright, a bit bright, dark, a bit more bright etc
[11:48] <macer1> if it works with acpi_osi, it is your BIOS bug...
[12:27] <dudism> good morning vietnam
[12:27] <dudism> i still wonder why apt-get is so slow on my computer
[12:29] <dudism> i use btrfs
[12:29] <DeadPanda> can anyone confirm whether the binary libguestfs packages are working on 11.10?  it's the only thing keeping me from testing the beta
[12:30] <BluesKaj> dudism, doubt the fs has much to do with the internet speed from the repos
[12:32] <gnomie> DeadPanda: we are currently looking for fearless testers
[12:33] <gnomie> since you're a DeadPanda , i think you kinda meet the criteria
[12:33] <DeadPanda> gnomie, heh ;) yeah, I guess there's only one way to find out (they're not in the repo's though anyway, so I'm not sure it's of value to the Ubuntu team)
[12:35]  * gnomie munches on wonton soup with shrimps
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Fonts can't be adjusted in system settings as root and.it's a pi** off when using a large monitor from 10ft away.  The settings shows the correct font size and type , but they aren't applied
[12:50] <BluesKaj> on KDE ^
[12:51] <BluesKaj> been like this for weeks now
[13:10] <BluesKaj> and I forgot to mention there's bug in the launchpad bug report link , it can't find a browser to link up from help section of the app
[13:19] <hacked_kernel> I upgraded to 11.10 from 11.04 and I installed KDE and gnome-shell after some configurations now I'm unable to login to Unity, only Unity 2D working, I removed gnome-shell and reinstalled unity and still having that problem
[13:38] <ironhalik> hmm
[13:39] <ironhalik> is there any way to install caffeine on oneiric? :>
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> !info kaffeine oneiric
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> ironhalik: its in the main repo so just run: sudo apt-get install kaffeine
[13:43] <ironhalik> its caffeine, as in the screensaver inhibitor
[13:43] <ironhalik> !info caffeine
[13:43] <ironhalik> :>
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> ironhalik: it's k for kaffeine as its a Kde app ;)
[13:44] <ironhalik> yeah :>
[14:04] <IdleOne> what can I install to test a webcam?
[14:04] <arand> IdleOne: Cheese is in by default, no=
[14:05] <arand> s/=/?/
[14:05] <IdleOne> arand: yeah, sorry thought I was in #kubuntu.
[14:05] <IdleOne> arand: something not gtk?
[14:06] <arand> Don't know I'm afraid
[14:07] <IdleOne> don't know why I need to install half of gnome to get cheese :/
[14:07] <IdleOne> heh, Kamera
[14:08] <IdleOne> should have known :)
[14:08] <drussell> IdleOne: software centre search suggests Kamera or Kamoso?
[14:08] <IdleOne> drussell: yup just found it, thanks.
[14:08] <drussell> IdleOne: np
[14:09] <IdleOne> hmm kamera is for digital cams
[14:16] <rigved> hi everyone. apt-get tells me that 31 packages are being kept back from being upgraded. how do i fix this problem?
[14:17] <IdleOne> you wait for them to be ready.
[14:17] <gnomefreak> rigved: update-manager should do it if they are safe. or you can use dist-upgrade but be careful some may need to be kept back. if you can pastebin the output of sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:18] <gnomefreak> console-* is safe to remove there was another package with it that is also safe to remove
[14:19] <gnomefreak> consolus maybe the name. hell i dont remember
[14:20] <gnomefreak> there are held back packages that are safe to upgrade only because they install other things but others will remove packages that are needed
[14:21] <gnomefreak> deja-dup ubuntu-desktop are safe to upgrade
[14:25] <rigved> IdleOne, gnomefreak: ok. i will wait and see what happens. just for your info, i had installed a clean beta 1. this is not an upgrade from natty.
[14:27] <gnomefreak> nost should be ok to upgrade but i would need to see what ones. try using dist-upgrade and see what it wants to remove. but check here before letting it remove anything
[14:28] <bjsnider> gnome-shell is being held back by a dependency wait
[14:30] <rigved> gnomefreak: apt-get upgrade output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/695664/
[14:30] <rigved> gnomefreak: apt-get dist-upgrade output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/695665/
[14:32] <gnomefreak> rigved: thanks
[14:32] <rigved> gnomefreak: so, should i do the dist-upgrade? i remember that there was a safe upgrade switch also, but not sure about this
[14:32] <gnomefreak> rigved: dist-upgrade is safe
[14:33] <ripps> I'm having some problems with a package that doesn't work anymore, can someone join me #ubuntu-packaging
[14:33] <gnomefreak> the package it wants to remove has a new major version update
[14:33] <ripps> sorry, that was meant for #ubuntu-motu
[14:33] <rigved> gnomefreak: ok. thanks
[14:33] <gnomefreak> rigved: not at the moment i have alot of things im working on since i havent been here for a while
[14:33] <gnomefreak> shoot
[14:34] <rigved> IdleOne: thanks.
[14:39] <AkariTakai> Question: Anyone know how to get rid of the dot-grid in the unity-greeter? I've checked Google and the /etc/lightdm/*.conf files and there doesn't seem to be any no dot grid option.
[14:42] <Name141> Hello, can anyone tell me if 11.10 will not have Gnome (or ubuntu-classic) as an option ?
[14:42] <IdleOne> correct
[14:42] <IdleOne> but
[14:43] <IdleOne> !notunity
[14:43] <Name141> IdleOne: so that will fix the crappy new GUI ?
[14:43] <Name141> that Ubuntu is pushing
[14:44] <IdleOne> fix it no, it will give you the option at boot to select either gnome-shell or gnome-panel ( similar to classic gnome)
[14:45] <Name141> Alrighty.  I might just use an LTS, since I'm only looking for an XP replacement for this "non-gaming machine" now.
[14:45] <Name141> Probably might be better and less maintanance than a regular install ?
[14:45] <AkariTakai> Does anyone know anything about the new lightdm login screen?
[14:45] <IdleOne> 10.04 is a good option if you want the classic gnome look.
[14:46] <IdleOne> !10.04
[14:46] <Name141> alrighty.
[14:46] <IdleOne> still has almost 4 years left on server support
[14:46] <BluesKaj> !kde
[14:46] <AkariTakai> !lightdm
[14:46] <AkariTakai> !unity-greeter
[14:47] <IdleOne> AkariTakai: I think there is very little documentation on lightdm but I might be wrong
[14:47] <AkariTakai> :( That's what I've been finding. I was hoping that maybe there was a website people knew about but Google missed or something. :(
[14:48] <Name141> IdleOne: I suppose since that's all the direct questions about the Beta or next release I shall part this one.
[14:48] <jbicha> AkariTakai: perhaps http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-team/lightdm/trunk/view/head:/data/lightdm.conf
[14:49] <jbicha> and you can stick those options in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[14:50] <AkariTakai> Thanks, I'll keep messing around with it.
[14:52] <rigved> is there a .conf file in lightdm where i can change the login theme?
[14:53] <rigved> ok. don't bother. found it. /etc/lightdm/unity-greeter.conf
[15:01] <AkariTakai> My only guess based on what I'm seeing is that the dots are present in the theme ubuntu ships with lightdm, because changing the background picture via conf optiosn does not remove them.
[15:02] <AkariTakai> Gonna go poke around in the source and report back
[15:10] <jbicha> AkariTakai: alternatively, you could create your own greeter to lay things out as you like
[15:12] <sajimon> hello there, im trying to install oneiric beta 2, but installator hang during the process, anyone encountered simmilator problem?
[15:17] <OerHeks> sajimon, the installer can take some time to calculate, see if numlock works. here it took 30 minutes to make space for Oneiric.
[15:17] <OerHeks> sajimon, get a drink, you will notice the next step, with the big earth time map
[15:20] <sajimon> OerHeks: in fact it hangs on "installing packages" step, its after "copying packages"
[15:20] <sajimon> im trying again, this time i ran ubiquity from terminal to check for debug messages
[15:29] <mihai_> hello, i have  a problem concerning time indicator: it shows "Time" instead of the actual time. Can someone help me, please?
[16:36] <alex_mayorga> the side bar doesn't pop-up when I move the mouse to the right, am I doing it wrong?
[16:40] <alex_mayorga> is it a known bug?
[16:41] <Wolfsherz> hi, can you tell me how to create a starter in oneiric?
[16:43] <alex_mayorga> Wolfsherz: Windows key "startup application"
[16:44] <Wolfsherz> i always want to start the gnome-terminal with --geometry=90x25, so i need a customized starter for this
[16:45] <Wolfsherz> alex_mayorga: thank you, but that is not what I need =)
[16:46] <alex_mayorga> Wolfsherz: ups, sorry
[16:54] <jbicha> Wolfsherz: did you try Edit>Profile Preferences>Use custom default terminal size
[17:05] <aqualuk> hi
[17:05] <aqualuk> i'm running lubuntu 11.10 and i have a big problem with my system language
[17:06] <Wolfsherz> jbicha: doh, that is new, right?
[17:06] <aqualuk> i installed the german language pack to try something (that didn't work but that's not my point) and then removed the language pack (all with the lubuntu gui for languages)
[17:07] <aqualuk> and my half system is in german and the other half is in english and i can't set it to english
[17:07] <aqualuk> is that a known bug or do you have any idea what i can do
[17:11] <aqualuk> ok i can solve the problem by myself
[17:12] <aqualuk> the solution was to install the german pack and reboot, then uninstall it and reboot one more time
[17:56] <OerHeks> hi, why is there no option to disable screen power ? http://picpaste.com/pics/scherm-vt783Jnj.1316800345.png
[17:58] <bjsnider> OerHeks, that is a gnome 3 issue
[17:58] <bjsnider> there is a way to do it, but it's a more complicated command than just an easy switch
[17:59] <bjsnider> and i'm not implying that i know the command
[17:59] <OerHeks> i am surpriced, that's all
[17:59] <alex_mayorga> what's up wit a red alert icon
[18:00] <alex_mayorga> big one at the top centre of the screen
[18:00] <OerHeks> red alert, after an update ? that is the sign you should reboot
[18:01] <OerHeks> (for changes to take effect)
[18:03] <OerHeks> oer@Oneirix:~$ uptime  20:02:28 up 14:05,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
[18:12] <dizzey> Not sure if this is the rigth channel to ask, if not please point me to the rigth one.  Im running ubuntu 11.10 64bit and i am trying to get 3d acceleration working in "play on  linux" (wine) it seems to be some problem with getting the rigth 32bit libs for my  nvidiqa card
[18:12] <alex_mayorga> OerHeks: no, it says "The update information is outdated..."
[18:15] <OerHeks> i would use " sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade " to reload the update information again
[18:20] <Guest1234> hello all. I just upgraded from 11.04 to 11.10 beta2....i did a clean install...and now when i goto log in as my normal user(i kept /home partition)....it goes to login..then drops me back at the login screen.
[18:21] <Guest1234> also...there is a guest account(which in this case is good since i was able to login with guest and come here!)...but normally i would not want this guest account by default
[18:21] <dizzey> Guest1234: if you dont have any imported settings delete the . folders in your homedir
[18:21] <dizzey> Guest1234: they usaly have settings for all applikations that may not match the new system
[18:22] <dizzey> Guest1234: .config .gtk etc
[18:22] <Guest1234> dizzey: well...specifically which ones? ...ive had this same home partition for YEARS hehe...i have many many settings in dot folders i dont want to loose :)
[18:22] <dizzey> thats true =) sadly i dont know exactly wich ones
[18:23] <dizzey> but the ones used by unity if that is the window manager
[18:23] <Guest1234> yea
[18:23] <Guest1234> hmm
[18:23] <Guest1234> this could be a pita finding out which ones
[18:24] <dizzey> Guest1234: hmms but then im guessing you dont actuly need to delete them
[18:24] <dizzey> make a new account from the shell and se if it is working with that user
[18:24] <escott> Guest1234, the guest account can be disabled by setting [SeatDefaults] allow-guest=false in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[18:24] <dizzey> then we know if it is old settings
[18:24] <Guest1234> well..im logged in as the "guest" account
[18:24] <Guest1234> and its working
[18:25] <Guest1234> so its def something specific to my normal user
[18:25] <dizzey> Guest1234: hmms try moving .folders to some backup dir until it's working
[18:25] <dizzey> Guest1234: then you have backups if your missing someting
[18:25] <Guest1234> yea
[18:26] <Guest1234> That would work...but a pita. Id love to find just what folders unity or w/e is using
[18:27] <Guest1234> im scouring around for solutions
[18:27] <dizzey> Guest1234: Just delete the configuration files/folders of unity in your home folder,. seems like .unity or .local/share/unity
[18:27] <dizzey> and probably the the unity gconf setting. Search in .gconf folder.
[18:28] <Guest1234> hmm ok
[18:28] <dizzey> thats from google so dont know if it's the rigth answer
[18:29] <Guest1234> bah. yea. no ~/.unity/ folder
[18:29] <Guest1234> and no unity folder in ~/.local/share
[18:30] <trism> Guest1234: you could try: unity --reset;
[18:30] <Guest1234> i cant actually get in as that user
[18:30] <dizzey> Guest1234: sure you can
[18:31] <dizzey> Guest1234: do an ctrl + alt + f1 and log in to the console
[18:31] <Guest1234> yea
[18:31] <dizzey> if you dont have the trouble that im having on my laptop
[18:31] <dizzey> no graphics in the console
[18:31] <Guest1234> it was my impression that unity --reset just restarted your current unity with default settings
[18:32] <Guest1234> that didnt work
[18:32] <dizzey> try moving the .gconf folder
[18:32] <Guest1234> oh wait
[18:33] <Guest1234> i JUST noticed.
[18:33] <dizzey> if they dont have a .unity folder i would not be suprised if they keept all settings in gconf
[18:33] <Guest1234> my home folder is not owned by me
[18:33] <dizzey> or d-conf
[18:33] <Guest1234> ubuntu did not reset permissions
[18:33] <Guest1234> older user = mike...home folder = /home/mike. NEW user = mike...home folder = /home/mike....but the new mike has a diff uid
[18:34] <Guest1234> and ubuntu did not recursively chown the new home
[18:34] <dizzey> i should have thougth of that
[18:34] <dizzey> have happend to me before
[18:34] <Guest1234> i didnt notice until i tried poking around the files
[18:35] <Guest1234> well...ive never had it happen on a ubuntu install...iave had it happen on different distros
[18:35] <dizzey> nowdays i never keep any important files in my home folder so i never keep it
[18:35] <Guest1234> doing a chown now.
[18:35] <Guest1234> i backup the most important files to spideroak or dropbox
[18:36] <Guest1234> brb....hopefully with my normal irc client.
[18:36] <dizzey> i keep all my documents on a svn server and all other stuff on my file server
[19:04] <Fen-> is there any way to reverse updates ?
[19:04] <Fen-> i mean for example to reverse changes from prev update
[19:04] <Guest1234> hello all. Does anyone know the command to restart xorg? /etc/init.d/gdm restart used to work...but has not since 10.10 iirc.
[19:05] <Guest1234> I vaugly remember a weird command like "pr restart" or something very short like that.
[19:05] <Guest1234> but cannot find it via google
[19:05] <dizzey> Fen-: yes and no . you cant but if you where running a filesystem with snapshot support then you could do a rollback
[19:06] <Fen-> hmm
[19:06] <Fen-> i got ext3
[19:06] <rww> so no
[19:06] <rww> Guest1234: sudo service gdm restart?
[19:07] <Guest1234> rww: if im not mistaken that does not work either.
[19:07] <Fen-> rww:  well some backup software saved snapshots
[19:07] <Guest1234> somethign changed in 11.04 iirc and restarting gdm does not actually restart xorg
[19:09] <jbicha> Guest1234: I just use sudo pkill X which might not be the best way to do it
[19:09] <Guest1234> hmm
[19:10] <Guest1234> ok gonna try something brb
[19:13] <Guest1234> dammit. no gdm service in 11.10
[19:13] <Guest1234> this should not be so hard to find out
[19:13] <Guest1234> all i need to do is restart xorg lol
[19:16] <trism> Guest1234: probably lightdm: sudo restart lightdm
[19:17] <Guest1234> trism: hmm
[19:22] <NickName321> trying to restart lightdm does not actually restart xorg
[19:23] <NickName321> well...it at least does not make xorg reload the xorg.conf
[19:23] <NickName321> pkill Xorg did not force it to reload the conf either
[19:23] <NickName321> this is retarded.
[19:24] <jbicha> reboot
[19:27]  * gnomefreak doesnt have a xorg.conf
[19:27] <gnomefreak> i still havent found a way to drop back to default drivers
[19:28] <bjsnider> jbicha, there's the caribou!
[19:28] <bjsnider> soon, all of my gnome-shell issues will be fixed
[19:37] <dr`venom_> I can't change the screen brightness on my dell xps17 L702x laptop. Can someone please help me fix the issue.
[19:39] <Fen-> bawawawa i think its reinstall time lol
[19:39] <Fen-> :p
[19:39] <Fen-> just hope i dont install beta2 updates by accident :S
[19:43] <larno> hi everyone
[19:43] <larno> I need some help regarding nvidia optimus in beta2
[19:43] <larno> is there an "easy" way to enable nvidia gpu?
[19:43] <larno> I don't need the GPU switching functionality
[19:44] <larno> I just want to have nvidia enabled
 just out of curiosity, are you able to change your screen brightness on your system?
[19:45] <larno> just a sec
[19:46] <larno> where is the setting to change the brightness in beta2?
 Can you check using the keyboard hotkeys
[19:46] <urlin2u> larno, I use the fn key and the arrows
[19:47] <larno> it's not working
[19:47] <larno> the problem can be with asus laptop keyboard shortcuts
[19:47] <dr`venom_> Ok, so it is not just me...
[19:47] <bjsnider> afaik ther is no optimus support at all in linux
[19:47] <larno> or that I'm currently working on the external monitor
[19:47] <larno> and the laptop monitor is disabled
[19:48] <larno> there is bumblebee and ironhide
[19:48] <urlin2u> larno, I can only change the netbooknot the monitor as well
 do you have a dell laptop as well?
[19:49] <urlin2u> no a acer
[19:49] <dr`venom_> ok
[19:56] <mongy> #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:56] <mongy> argh
[19:57] <mongy> Any else have a problem with dash whereby you search for a recent file, click it nothing happens, but works the 2nd time you do it?
 My dash works just fine.
[19:58] <mongy> might have to install fresh beta2 then maybe.
[20:18] <dr`venom> is anyone else in here having trouble with not being able to change their screen's brightness level?
[20:48] <sirninja> I just installed ubuntu 11.10 on my computer, and the installation appears to go fine, but when I reboot, I get the message: "efi invalid arch independent ELF magic" in grub
[20:50] <urlin2u> sirninja, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1741953  naty but the commands are thesame I believe.
[20:51] <urlin2u> you have to know the partition though
[20:51] <sirninja> urlin2u: I saw that post, but when i get to the command "linux ...." it says linux: command not found
[20:51] <sirninja> and I changed the partitions accordingly
[20:53] <urlin2u> sirninja, are you sure your making this exactly like this. set root=(hd0,msdos5)
[20:54] <urlin2u> you j\have to get the commands exact
[20:54] <sirninja> if my partition is /dev/sda7 it would be "root=(hd0,msdos8)" right?
[20:54] <urlin2u> no msdos7 I believe
[20:55] <sirninja> I tried that as well. It's an ext4 partition, can grub read those or does it need to be ext3?
[20:55] <urlin2u> partition type does not matter as far as I knlw
[20:56] <sirninja> I'm not having any luck with the rescue prompt. Is there any way I can just get the installer to do it that way the first time?
[20:56] <urlin2u> sirninja, that portion is a standard manual boot command set.
[20:57] <urlin2u> sirninja, are you sure the Ubuntu partition is sad7
[20:57] <urlin2u> sda7*
[20:57] <sirninja> correct. I'm reading the post and it says "reboot (you should now get a full grub, not just grub-rescue)" but I'm still getting grub-rescue
[21:01] <urlin2u> sirninja, I would just go to the ubuntu forums and start a thread t will be faster realy.
[21:01] <sirninja> urlin2u: would chrooting in and install grub-pc work instead of what that post said?
[21:01] <urlin2u> it
[21:02] <sirninja> urlin2u: Guess I may have to do that. Thanks for your help though
[21:02] <urlin2u> sirninja, you have grub-pc and grub-commons in ubuntu already, that is not the problem I would guess.
[21:02] <urlin2u> no problem, the manual boot is a bit tricky.
[21:03] <hacked_kernel> can anybody please pastebin the default apt sources.lst file ?
[21:04] <urlin2u> hacked_kernel, http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[21:04] <mongy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/695835/   for gb mirror and partner enabled.
[21:04] <hacked_kernel> thanks
[21:05] <mongy> hmm, let me bookmark that repogen
[21:05] <mongy> hacked, oh and its natty
[21:05] <urlin2u> you can choose the release
[21:05] <mongy> lol, be quicker to use that repogen then
[21:05] <mongy> urlin2u, yeah  I meant my sources
[21:06] <alex_mayorga> I have an applet hogging 100% CPU here
[21:06] <alex_mayorga> how do I file the bug?
[21:06] <urlin2u> cool it is a cool page.
[21:06] <mongy> not currently in oneiric
[21:07] <urlin2u> alex_mayorga, an applet are you sure?
[21:08] <alex_mayorga> urlin2u: yup! something like this one http://www.hobsoft.com/tests/jwttest.jsp
[21:10] <urlin2u> alex_mayorga, linux is not even mentioned
[21:10] <alex_mayorga> urlin2u: it is "Test HOBLink JWT from Windows, Linux, Sun Solaris, Apple Mac"
[21:12] <urlin2u> alex_mayorga, not sure of whats happening, and that is anot a applet causing tye problem but a third party no bugs are 3rd party.
[21:13] <urlin2u> you bug report on actual ubuntu apps.
[21:14] <alex_mayorga> icedtea is an ubuntu app last time I checked
[21:15] <urlin2u> alex_mayorga, yes but is icetea the problem?
[21:16] <urlin2u> alex_mayorga, are you trying to test a firewall?
[21:16] <alex_mayorga> given that it works just fine on an XP virtual box using Oracle Java, I would think so
[21:17] <alex_mayorga> and anything that uses 100% CPU is buggy IMHO
[21:18] <alex_mayorga> bug 857776 FWIW
[21:18] <urlin2u> alex_mayorga, sure but your using a 3rd party to get that the bug reporting is for a buggy ubuntu app.
[21:19] <urlin2u> alex_mayorga, lol good luck with that.
[21:20] <gnomie> no lol ifs or buts. fix him!  >:(
[21:20] <alex_mayorga> urlin2u: I have in the past, see http://icedtea.classpath.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=721
[21:20] <alex_mayorga> ;)
[21:20] <urlin2u> gnomie, go eat your bran flakes.
[21:20] <gnomie> openjdk isn't acting up here ..
[21:22] <urlin2u> alex_mayorga, first it was a applet you are i=on the moon no exating details, and this is not the channel anyway, are your emplot-yers running oneiric.
[21:23] <alex_mayorga> urlin2u: of course not, is all Windows 7 in the desktop
[21:23] <gnomie> system is sluggish but cpu is fine .. i believe reason to be low ram, i got about 30 thousand bytes into swap, way more than i ever had
[21:24] <gnomie> considering i only got one gig, unity2d is still operational
[21:27] <gnomie> if i had pci graphics i'd have better performance.. need $20
[21:30] <gnomie> am confident in saying oneiric can run on older low end systems under some conditions. i did have a crash with multiple apps running tho
[21:33] <gnomie> that being said, 11.04 was much more responsive on this box
[21:33] <gnomie> and i did have unity2d going there as well
[21:35] <gnomie> at this stage..
[21:37] <soee> hi, guys do you have problems to run system after upgrade 11.04 -> 11.10b2 ?
[21:38] <genii-around> soee: Better to just say how far along it is booting  and then what is happening. eg: grub halts.. or grub goes, then just a purple screen hangs... or so on
[21:40] <soee> genii-around, i can pick system from grup than it hangs with full blue screen with some artefacts at top, when i choose recovery mode it hangs also at the second line (something about ram disc etc) but if i press enter after few second system starts (gdm shows up) and i can login
[21:40] <soee> *grub
[21:43] <soee> during upgrade there were some errors in console about pixbuff and icon-cache
[21:43] <soee> there are also 2 dependency problems: kdepim-dev libboost-dev
[21:43] <soee> but im not sure if this is booting related
[21:44] <genii-around> soee: The pixbuf/icon-cache errors are not to worry over
[21:44] <genii-around> soee: What video driver were you using before upgrade?
[21:44] <soee> 280.13
[21:45] <genii-around> So Nvidia
[21:45] <soee> yes
[21:45] <genii-around> soee: does lsmod| grep nv    show it is currently loaded?
[21:47] <soee> genii-around, soee@soee-desktop:~$ lsmod| grep nv
[21:47] <soee> nvidia              11713772  40
[21:49] <genii-around> soee: Is the nouveau driver also loaded at the same time?
[21:49] <soee> how can i check this ?
[21:50] <genii-around> soee: lsmod| grep nouveau
[21:51] <genii-around> If it just comes back to command prompt then it's not loaded
[21:51] <soee> genii-around, http://pastebin.com/bjhUmipX
[21:52] <genii-around> soee: Can you pastebin please contents of /etc/default/grub
[21:53] <soee> genii-around, http://pastebin.com/2Jh8cdnX
[21:56] <genii-around> soee: OK. The idea here is to make sure only the nvidia driver loads, which means to change line 11 to read: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset"      and then sudo update-grub. For the editing you need admin rights so either kdesudo kate /etc/default/grub  or sudo nano /etc/default/grub ( I assume kde because you were in #kubuntu previous to here)
[21:57] <soee> ok ill try after update my fancontrol configuration :) one moment
[21:58] <genii-around> soee: I must leave soon, but hopefully someone else can help you further afterwards
[22:00] <soee> ok brb ill try to reboot
[22:00] <pythonsnake> is 11.10 going to break my laptop
[22:01] <jbicha> pythonsnake: absolutely
[22:01] <jbicha> or maybe
[22:02] <pythonsnake> ?!
[22:03] <soee> genii-around, thank you :)
[22:04] <genii-around> soee: You're welcome
[22:04] <charlie-tca> I would say jbicha is correct, too
[22:06] <jbicha> my wife's laptop died and she was running oneiric...
[22:07] <jbicha> I tell her it had nothing to do with Ubuntu though...
[22:07] <jbicha> it's not really a bug I care to reproduce though, lol
[22:08] <rww> why on earth were you running oneiric on it
[22:08] <jbicha> because I'm a Ubuntu developer and I like to break things
[22:09] <pythonsnake> lol.
[22:09] <rww> jbicha: that's what /your/ laptop is for
[22:09] <pythonsnake> w
[22:09] <pythonsnake> t
[22:10] <pythonsnake> f
[22:10] <pythonsnake> windows 8 wants to prevent installing any other os
[22:10] <jbicha> I'm a developer, I like to break other people's things too
[22:14] <AlanBell> on the first page of the installer there is a link to "release notes"
[22:14] <AlanBell> which opens http://ubuntu.com
[22:15] <AlanBell> should I file a bug about that?
[22:16] <charlie-tca> Is that the same as bug 856773
[22:16] <AlanBell> nope, but it is already filed as bug 840983
[22:19]  * AlanBell subscribes the release manager
[22:29] <nanobolic> seemed to have lost my plugins for gedit like terminal and python console has anyone else gotten this?
[22:29] <nanobolic> if I restart gedit they appear to come back but once I enable any of them like bracket completion I loose all of them
[22:31] <nanobolic> is there a way to start gedit from a terminal in verbose mode?
[22:45] <tomodachi> ionite: KDE is a desktop enviroment, like a "skin" or a gui" ubuntu itself supports different desktop enviroments like gnome, /win 10
[22:46] <coz_> is there a mini iso available yet
[22:49] <nanobolic> coz_, I believe there is one called ubuntu-core
[22:49] <coz_> nanobolic,  mmm I will try to find that
[22:51] <coz_> m if anyone has a link to a mini,, i would appreciate it :)
[23:08] <gnomie> plugins section of thunderbird glitchy
[23:09] <gnomie> nice design though..
[23:11] <MonkeyDust> in Unity i cannot find a normal menu with everything in it - hints & tips?
[23:14] <DeviceZer0> bah..all of a sudden im not getting any sound
[23:14]  * gnomie reads about peripheral component interconnect
[23:15] <urlin2u> MonkeyDust, I use synapse for searches, not the same thing as a menu though,
[23:15] <charlie-tca> MonkeyDust: there is no normal menu in Unity
[23:16] <jbicha> MonkeyDust: click More Apps from the Dash that shows up when you click the Ubuntu button
[23:17] <MonkeyDust> a normal menu is too far fetched ;)
[23:18] <urlin2u> MonkeyDust, not part of the new DE, you will have to adapt, or use a distro that has one you like.
[23:19] <gnomie> use the dash, in russia, dash searches YOU
[23:19] <urlin2u> xubuntu has a normal DE soto speak.
[23:20] <MonkeyDust>  i use Mint
[23:20] <MonkeyDust> just checking about this menu in Unity
[23:20] <gnomie> mint not supported here
[23:20] <MonkeyDust> i know
[23:29]  * gnomie puts swap to work !  :D
[23:29] <gwallace1234> I am trying to update to the latest beta for Kubuntu, and was wanting to know if that can be done from command line.  I changed the settings in sources, and notifier is not allowing the beta update to show.
[23:30] <urlin2u> gwallace1234, if your running 11.10 it is just update && upgrade
[23:31] <urlin2u> gwallace1234, there is a packge miossing right now though in th ibunet dide causing partial upgrades not the best time to try I think.
[23:31] <urlin2u> ubuntu/distro
[23:31] <gwallace1234> Urlin2u: I am running beta 1 currently.  I did the update && upgrade, and downloaded about 173 updates.  I know that firefox and thunderbird should be at ver 7, but they are still ver 6
[23:32] <gwallace1234> urlin2u: Will try again later this weekend, maybe they will get it fixed by then.
[23:33] <urlin2u> gwallace1234, when did you install I had 7 on both on a beta1 install?
[23:33] <tuv0k> any problems installing jubuntu bea 2 using the desktop 64bit iso?
[23:33] <gwallace1234> urlin2u: I did a clean install of the first beta, and it has ver 6 of both.
[23:34] <tuv0k> k
[23:34] <tuv0k> kubuntu
[23:34] <urlin2u> gwallace1234, hmm maybe kubuntu is as different as I always thought it was.
[23:35] <gnomie> as different as gnome?
[23:35] <urlin2u> tuv0k, thanks for the passive agressive posts.
[23:35] <gwallace1234> urlin2u: prob a diff between gnome and KDE.  Guess i will wait and try again, or wait for the final release.  THanks
[23:36] <tuv0k> just looking for a real answer to my question in the channel I'm supposed to find it in?
[23:36] <gnomie> urlin2u: you're weird
[23:37] <urlin2u> gnomie, like looking is a mirror isn't it. :D
[23:37] <urlin2u> in*
[23:38] <gnomie> oddly enough, i got it the first time
[23:38] <urlin2u> gnomie, I missed the post of the mangled Distro, so it looked like a PG post.
[23:39] <urlin2u> my bad
[23:41] <gnomie> never apologize; you're either right, or yer not
[23:41] <urlin2u> gnomie, sorry but life is not a dichotomy
[23:41] <gnomie> :(
[23:42] <gnomie> only human
[23:57] <gnomie> The PCI SIG strongly encourages 3.3 V PCI signaling,[5] requiring support for it since standard revision 2.3,[7] but most PC motherboards use the 5 V variant. Thus, while many currently available PCI cards support both, and have two key notches to indicate that, there are still a large number of 5 V-only cards on the market
[23:58] <gnomie> c.2002