[00:01] <xnox> Logan_: i find submittodebian to be broken.
[00:02] <Logan_> xnox: it's fine for ubuntu1
[00:02] <xnox> Logan_: if i wish to cherrypick, take lp:debian/package and cherry-pick/merge what you want to submit and then just do a bzr diff to generate patch.
[00:02] <Logan_> but once you pass that, it gets wonky
[00:02] <Logan_> oh, that would work
[00:03] <xnox> Logan_: or reverse, might be easier, take lp:ubuntu/package uncommit to last debian revision and do $ bzr shelve -i, to remove not-needed chunks (e.g. ubuntu changelog, reverse maintainership field, etc...)
[00:37] <jtaylor> mitya57: numpy merge https://code.launchpad.net/~jtaylor/ubuntu/trusty/python-numpy/new-upstream/+merge/200473
[01:07] <doko> jtaylor, well, then you should prepare scipy too
[01:08] <jtaylor> scipy is a simple sync
[01:08] <jtaylor> I just would like numpy first to see test results
[01:09] <doko> well, if you already *know* that cython will fail ...
[01:10] <jtaylor> I know
[01:10] <jtaylor> I'm planning to look into it
[01:10] <doko> thanks
[01:10] <jtaylor> most likely its just an overly explicit tet
[01:11] <jtaylor> but if someone else wants to have a look, be my guest :)
[02:10] <infinity> Logan_: submittodebian for the whole delta is easy, just edit the changelog to collapse ubuntu* to one changelog entry, then run it.
[02:10] <Logan_> Now that's clever. I'll try that.
[02:10] <infinity> (Yes, it should probably have a version range argument to do that for you)
[02:10] <Logan_> I would prefer that. I might file a bug.
[02:10] <Logan_> Although ubuntu-dev-tools development seems kinda dead right now.
[02:29] <xnox> Laney: huh, ubuntu-dev-tools has constantly new commits and frequent uploads, they are done direct to debian and synced to ubuntu however.
[02:29] <xnox> unping, Logan_ ^
[02:29] <xnox> Logan_: and patches are welcome.
[02:29] <Logan_> okay
[02:30] <xnox> Logan_: infinity: did "submittodebian" started to reverse X-Original-Maintainer thing? that was bugging me the most I think.
[02:30] <Logan_> yeah, that's still a bug
[02:49] <Logan_> infinity: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mpclib/+publishinghistory Any reason why you deleted mpclib from proposed? (It's still in release, and it's also still in unstable in Debian.)
[02:54] <xnox> Logan_: deletions have comments - Superseded by mpclib3
[02:54] <xnox> Logan_: i guess transition to mpclib3 should happen, and then mpclib also removed from -release.
[02:54] <xnox> Logan_: see text under arrow.
[02:57] <Logan_> well yes
[02:57] <xnox> Logan_: do you want updates in the mean time, or we need to keep both into trusty?
[02:58] <Logan_> I just don't see the point of removing it from proposed right now
[02:58] <xnox> Logan_: -proposed is an overlay, and the less things are in -proposed the better. My guess is that it was not migrating to -release and generating britney spew.
[02:58] <infinity> Logan_: It was failed-to-upload in -proposed because it shipped older versions of libmpc-dev
[02:59] <xnox> Logan_: and possibly was not co-installable with mpclib3.
[02:59] <xnox> Logan_: oh, that =) ^
[02:59] <infinity> Logan_: Hence the superseded comment.
[03:00] <Logan_> okay
[05:20] <mitya57> jtaylor: thank you!
[08:01] <Noskcaj> A trusty-proposed branch for jsxgraph has not been made, and fixing the ftbfs should just need a b-dep on uglifyjs
[09:11] <Fudge> oh the error for gstreamer package http://paste.ubuntu.com/6695846/
[13:22] <jtaylor> doko_: a cython fix for numpy is available, so nothing in main would be broken
[13:23] <jtaylor> (just a test issue, so cython does not need fixing before the upload)
[21:34] <labsin> xnox, ping?
[22:05] <xnox> pong
[22:08] <labsin> xnox, I'm trying to cross-compile my app (with cmake) and I have a lot of issues
[22:08] <labsin> using click chroot
[22:09] <xnox> can you pastebin full build-log or better email ubuntu-phone with it attached?
[22:09] <xnox> together with pointers to source-code and your cmake files?
[22:09] <labsin> xnox, ok
[22:09] <xnox> it's not something i can look into over irc, just right now.
[22:10] <labsin> I'll post it on the already running topic
[22:17] <Logan_> xnox: ...halp
[22:18] <Logan_> should we back out the changes for both gstreamer packages?
[22:18] <Logan_> but I want them to work on ppc64el :(
[22:24] <Fudge> infinity:  I hope I filed this correctly as you suggested the other day, bug #1266219
[22:24] <Fudge> oops that is the wrong bug
[22:26] <Fudge> bug #1266291
[22:28] <xnox> Logan_: i think, previously it didn't run gettext/autopoint, yet my patch probably made it run.
[22:28] <jtaylor> grr whats the deal with the skimage autopkgtest, its unreprodicable in a chroot and local kvm adt suite
[22:28] <xnox> Logan_: a short term fix is to compare .debs (e.g. amd64) before the changes & after and purge any "extra" conflicting files.
[22:28] <jtaylor> is it running in some kind of qemu emulation without proper floating point support?
[22:28] <xnox> Logan_: ".mo" for sure, but possibly more.
[22:29] <Logan_> xnox: okay - I have to go shower and head to dinner, but I'll take a look later
[22:29] <xnox> Logan_: i'm off to bed now, but can look into it tomorrow morning.
[22:29] <Logan_> heh
[22:29] <xnox> Logan_: it's not the end of the world... =)
[22:29] <Logan_> you never know. the apocalypse is nigh!


[00:54] <jrwren> ugh... apparently the upgrade from f to groovy somehow enabled sleep and my home server went to sleep :(
[00:54] <jrwren> I hope this fixes it.
[00:54] <jrwren> sudo systemctl mask sleep.target suspend.target hibernate.target hybrid-sleep.target
[01:03] <cmaloney> Oof


[13:55] <bregma> moin all
[17:56] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[19:13] <dscassel> Release parties in Northern Ontario? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11587179#post11587179
[19:13] <dscassel> BluesKaj: I'm looking at you. :)
[19:18] <BluesKaj> dscassel: yeah , maybe,  but I'm a KDE guy and personna non-grata at the #ubuntu chat as well, so there isn't much in common since the unity DE has taken over
[19:23] <pangolin> being a  kde user does not exclude you from the community
[19:24] <pangolin> in fact it's nice to go to a meet up and meet different people with different tastes
[19:24] <pangolin> under all the  makeup it still Ubuntu
[19:30] <dscassel> BluesKaj: txwikinger2 is a KDE guy and I let him come to my parties. :)
[19:39] <BluesKaj> dscassel:  that's big of you :)
[20:17] <pangolin> dscassel: cause he brings the cookies
[20:31] <BluesKaj> gonna be busy from middle of feb to june setting up a digital recording space for our group of musicians , both audio and video stuff , but if there's a release part in the Sudbury area I'll try to attend
[20:31] <BluesKaj> err party
[20:35] <dscassel> BluesKaj: You should let that Teejay guy know on the forum.
[20:35] <dscassel> (And help keep Randall from derailing the discussion...)
[20:50] <BluesKaj> Randall .. ?
[21:08] <dscassel> BluesKaj: From Ubuntu Vancouver, yeah. He's trying to help...
[21:09] <dscassel> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1722827&page=2


[09:28] <tsdgeos> Saviq: you mentioned something about maxwidth/minwidth yesterday on my branch that for the desktop camera
[09:29] <tsdgeos> but i can't see maxwidth/minwidth being applied anywhere in the desktop stage
[09:30] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: ↑ you know anything about this?
[09:47] <pstolowski> Saviq, hey, what's the situation with unity8 landings? can i test & prepare silo 76 for landing?
[09:49] <Saviq> pstolowski, SDK is going in first with a small u8 landing
[09:49] <Saviq> tsdgeos, should be in WindowResizeArea
[09:51] <pstolowski> Saviq, what silo# is that?
[09:52] <Saviq> pstolowski, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/905
[09:52] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ah rihgt, totally failed at grepping
[09:53] <Saviq> pstolowski, it's at the top of QA's "ready" queue, so hopefully later today - I'd also like to drop https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/993 on them after that
[09:54] <Saviq> obviously needs a rebuild + quick retest
[09:56] <pstolowski> Saviq, ack
[12:21] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: ping
[12:21] <tsdgeos> compare(listView.contentY, -listView.topMargin, "Launcher did not start up with first item unfolded");
[12:21] <tsdgeos> in the launcher fails if i add another item to MockLauncherModel
[12:21] <tsdgeos> in trunk
[12:21] <tsdgeos> does any of your new branches fix that?
[12:32] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: lp:~unity-team/unity8/launcher-tests-fail
[12:50] <Saviq> huhu, looks like autopilot in jenkaas was actually easier than expected
[13:01] <Saviq> now just to make it go in parallel with qml ones... need a new plugin
[13:37] <pstolowski> cimi, tsdgeos inline playback broken in single-preview silo 76
[13:37] <pstolowski> cimi, tsdgeos http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15205625/
[13:37] <pstolowski> and dash crashes
[13:37] <tsdgeos> that is weird
[13:38] <tsdgeos> there's no reason inline playback should be affected at all
[13:38] <tsdgeos> let me try too
[13:38] <pstolowski> plus, preview models are destroyed veeery lazily, not sure if we can improve that?
[13:38] <pstolowski> e.g. i see a model gets destroyed after a few minutes
[13:39] <tsdgeos> model destroying should be as before approx
[13:40] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, that's possible, i just have never paid attention, now i have a debug message
[13:46] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, don't bother trying the silo.. works after reboot. grr
[13:46] <tsdgeos> :S
[13:46] <tsdgeos> k
[13:47] <pstolowski> something is fishy, but not this silo's fault
[14:08] <cimi> pstolowski, so all good?
[14:08] <pstolowski> cimi, yeah. there is some flakiness / race though, but i couldn't reproduce. unrelated to the silo amyway.
[14:52] <tsdgeos> Saviq: lp:~ci-train-bot/unity8/unity8-ubuntu-xenial-landing-064 has broken tags, can anyone clean them?
[14:53] <Saviq> tsdgeos, no, we should find where they come from (since we'll need to rebuild)
[14:53] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i think they come "from the silo"
[14:53] <tsdgeos> itslef
[14:53] <tsdgeos> i.e it got reused from old
[14:53] <Saviq> tsdgeos, train starts branches from scratch and then --overwrites he ones in ~ci-train-bot
[14:53] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[14:54] <tsdgeos> ok, let me run my clean branches script
[14:54] <Saviq> tsdgeos, but overwriting doesn't clear tags
[14:54] <Saviq> tsdgeos, we might ask them to delete the branches in ~ci-train-bot...
[14:54] <Saviq> but I'm afraid this will just come back again and again...
[14:55]  * Saviq wants git
[15:25] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: test for https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/fixTinyWindows/+merge/287173 ?
[15:27] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, sure, will add
[16:19] <tsdgeos> Saviq: mzanetti: ltinkl: you have bad tags
[16:19] <tsdgeos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15206969/
[16:19] <Saviq> oops
[16:20]  * ltinkl on it
[16:20] <Saviq> that took a while, didn't it :)
[16:21] <tsdgeos> don't know didn't say much, but since it runs on its own may be
[16:21]  * tsdgeos times
[16:22]  * Saviq cleared
[16:27] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: ping
[16:27] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, hey
[16:27] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: how do i "favorite" the apps scope if it magically got unfavorited?
[16:29] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, ok, tags cleared and a test added (modified the unlock() test to use typeString() instead of clicking the pinpad buttons)
[16:29] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, oh, how did that happen?...  gsettings reset com.canonical.Unity.Dash favorite-scopes
[16:29] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, alternatively,  gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Dash favorite-scopes "['scope://clickscope']"
[16:30] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: i guess at some point i uninstalled it (desktop)
[16:33] <Saviq> uninstalling anything shouldn't touch the favourites IMO
[16:38] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i guess the scope isn't there anymore
[16:39] <tsdgeos> so it can't be a favorite
[16:39] <pstolowski> hmm i think it should, otherwise this list would grow indefinitely.. upgrade is a different case (which we handle)
[16:39] <Saviq> how often do you think this would happen?
[16:39] <Saviq> that someone uninstalls a favourited scope
[16:40] <Saviq> and what impact does it have if there's even 100 things you need to skip in the list of favourites
[16:43] <pstolowski> Saviq, i hear you, but keeping a list which cannot be purged feels wrong
[16:43] <Saviq> pstolowski, that's actually how the launcher items behave
[16:43] <Saviq> in unity7 and unity8
[16:43] <Saviq> pstolowski, you can purge it - gsettings reset
[16:44] <tsdgeos> Saviq: it feels unexpected that something would be favorited on install
[16:44] <tsdgeos> if i installed it 1 year ago, favorited and then uninstalled
[16:44] <Saviq> it wouldn't "be favorited on install" you favorited it 1 year ago
[16:44] <Saviq> you never said that it's not your favourite now that you uninstalled it ;P
[16:44] <pstolowski> heh
[16:45] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i'm just saying it would seem unexpected to me
[16:45] <tsdgeos> the world is full of people that it's not me
[16:45] <tsdgeos> :D
[16:45] <Saviq> tsdgeos, was it unexpected on your launcher? ;)
[16:46] <tsdgeos> Saviq: yes
[16:46] <tsdgeos> it would too
[16:46] <tsdgeos> Saviq: 24 min for the clean branches run :D
[16:46] <Saviq> well, did you notice it, because that's exactly how it behaves
[16:46] <Saviq> tsdgeos, nice :)
[16:46] <Saviq> stress-testing LP are we ;)
[16:47] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i didn't notice since i have exactly 4 apps in my launcher that i always use and thus would not uninstall and install
[16:48] <Saviq> tsdgeos, saves my a$$ when I reinstall :)
[16:48] <Saviq> things on launcher just waiting for me to install them
[16:49] <tsdgeos> Saviq: so what does it do, it has "wholes"/[x] saying "this used to be an app and is no longer there?
[16:49] <tsdgeos> or it's not there and appears when you install?
[16:49] <Saviq> tsdgeos, filters, appears when I install
[16:49] <tsdgeos> s/wholes/holes
[16:50] <tsdgeos> k
[16:55] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: damn i think some changes in the scopes plugin are making the dash code hit this
[16:55] <tsdgeos> / TODO attach to sectionItem so we can accomodate to it changing its height
[16:55] <tsdgeos> ^_ ^
[16:55] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, huh? this is a qml TOODO?
[16:55] <tsdgeos> nah in the .cpp code
[16:56] <tsdgeos> it's just that the irc client ate the first /
[16:56] <Saviq> whoops :)
[16:58] <tsdgeos> i guess i'll attack that on monday
[16:59] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, hmm i'm not sure what kind of change would that be?
[17:00] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: it's the smart model updates that now reuse categories
[17:00] <tsdgeos> so if you happen to reuse a category that had section title to one that hasn't
[17:00] <tsdgeos> boom
[17:00] <tsdgeos> breaks
[17:00] <tsdgeos> because stuff should move up because the category title just disappears
[17:00] <tsdgeos> -s+ed
[17:01] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, ah.. but that's not new.. landed 2 months ago or so
[17:01] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, ah, so it's a very specific case, maybe we didn't hit it
[17:02] <tsdgeos> yeah
[17:02] <tsdgeos> i can easily reproduce on the desktop unity8-dash now
[17:02] <tsdgeos> but not on the phone
[17:02] <tsdgeos> because *things*
[17:02] <tsdgeos> :D
[17:07] <cimi> tsdgeos, approved those three branches of yesterday
[17:07] <cimi> tsdgeos, tx
[17:08] <tsdgeos> cimi: cool
[17:08]  * tsdgeos waves eow
[17:09] <cimi> so. fast.
[17:09] <cimi> :D
[17:09] <cimi> sometimes I wish he was waiting for us to wave back :D
[21:58] <Saviq> mterry, hey, if you're still here, could use your eyes on https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/autopilot-dep8/+merge/287228 - you can see the test results in https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1053 - I'd like to put this into trunk directly so our CI benefits from this straight away
[21:58] <mterry> Saviq, hey
[21:58] <mterry> looking
[22:02] <mterry> Saviq, so the results of the dep8 test are in those "vivid landing-023 excuses.html" lines in the silo?
[22:02] <Saviq> mterry, yup
[22:02] <mterry> Saviq, branch makes sense though
[22:03] <mterry> Saviq, the vivid link brings me to an ubuntu-system-settings page though...
[22:03] <Saviq> mterry, xenial, sorry
[22:03] <Saviq> mterry, bug in train
[22:04] <mterry> Saviq, ah ok
[22:04] <Saviq> mterry, the silo is xenial only
[22:04] <mterry> Saviq, ah so it is, hadn't noticed.  dep8 is only good for xenial?
[22:04] <Saviq> mterry, no, this silo is xenial only, didn't want to waste britney's or builders' time
[22:05] <Saviq> mterry, unfortunately there's no way to SKIP a test based on whether it's touch or not, so the early-exit is the best we can do - also the isolation-machine requirement makes sure that it SKIPs when it's obviously wrong (like chroot or whatnot)
[22:05] <mterry> Saviq, yeah -- so hard to run outside of the builder
[22:06] <Saviq> mterry, those never run on builders anyway
[22:06] <mterry> Saviq, why do some arch's fail?
[22:06] <mterry> Saviq, right.  I guess I meant outside of britney
[22:06] <Saviq> mterry, outside of i386, amd64, armhf, missing deps
[22:06] <Saviq> mterry, on armhf, because we've not fixed our tests yet
[22:06] <Saviq> timing-wise
[22:07] <mterry> Saviq, well 2 arches is something anyway.  Even though armhf would be the real prize
[22:08] <Saviq> mterry, bug #1550543
[22:08] <ubot5`> bug 1550543 in CI Train [cu2d] "Automated tests publish results for disabled target seriee" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1550543
[22:09] <mterry> Saviq, so where are these autopilot tests actually running in this setup?  The ones at https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/xenial/landing-023/excuses.html are skipped because they aren't on the device
[22:09] <Saviq> mterry, our jenkins
[22:10] <Saviq> mterry, https://unity8-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/test-0-autopkgtest/247/ red because I've busted the jenkins job
[22:10] <mterry> ah right, because of course britney doesn't have access to devices.  I forgot that jenkins was the gatekeeper to thos
[22:11] <Saviq> mterry, actually red because something failed completely in this case
[22:11] <Saviq> mterry, https://unity8-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/test-0-autopkgtest/243/ a better result
[22:12] <mterry> Saviq, OK, now I'm caught up with how this works  :)
[22:12] <mterry> Saviq, took me a while to understand what was running what
[22:13] <Saviq> mterry, our jenkins runs them all - qml tests on amd64; autopilot tests on phones
[22:13] <Saviq> mterry, britney can only run qml tests
[22:13] <mterry> right
[22:13] <Saviq> at least until we make our autopilot runnable under xvfb or something
[22:14] <mterry> Saviq, but yeah the branch makes sense, let me approve
[22:16] <mterry> Saviq, allow-stderr seems like such an annoying flag.  I feel like it should be default
[22:16] <mterry> But I get that it's useful to catch surprises
[22:17] <Saviq> mterry, actually the problem there is set -ex prints on stderr
[22:17] <Saviq> mterry, and autopilot, too
[22:17] <mterry> Saviq, yeah -- lots of stuff does all the time is the annoying thing.  Only a very strict tool is so careful to keep to stdout
[22:18] <Saviq> mterry, FWIW we should be able to get rid of that for qmluitests https://unity8-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/test-0-autopkgtest/248/label=amd64,release=vivid+overlay/artifact/output/qmluitests.sh-stderr
[22:19] <Saviq> and it actually does show useful stuff
[22:20] <Saviq> but we'll have to get rid of set -ex, which is kinda useful
[22:20] <mterry> Saviq, yeah for build warnings.  but that might be better done as an isolated "build warnings" dep8
[22:20] <Saviq> mterry, oh well, dep8 is too late for build warnings actually ;)
[22:20] <mterry> Saviq, but failing on build warnings are annoying
[22:20] <Saviq> mterry, since everything is^Wshould be built by then ;)
[22:21] <Saviq> ok /me clears silo
[22:21] <mterry> Saviq, packages that do that always cause problems on gcc upgrades or when some library deprecates some call.


[04:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #32716 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 (main) "Vertical green lines bands in 24-bit on Compaq Deskpro (i815)" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/32716
[10:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82095 in xorg-server (main) "nvidia resolution and 3d not initialised properly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82095
[12:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82109 in xorg (main) "tablet stylus buttons default values are not the expected ones" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82109
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82110 in xorg (main) "xinput clients receive input even when the window manager is getting mouse input" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82110
[12:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #34700 in xkeyboard-config (main) "keyboard indicator does not have Nepali" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/34700
[03:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82132 in xserver-xorg-video-nv (main) "Auto-detect from live-cd ubuntu 6.10 isn't working correctly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82132
[07:04] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80512 in xorg (main) "HP Nvidia GeForce Go 7400 laptop increase LCD brightness cause X to crash in Edgy" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80512
[08:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79210 in xorg (main) "Wrong driver used after installing herd2 on M2NPV-VM" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79210
[09:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #45942 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 (restricted) "AGP does't work with an SIS760 motherboard and a geforce 6200" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/45942
[10:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78860 in xorg (main) "Open source nvidia driver crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78860
[11:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #33504 in xserver-xorg-video-s3 (main) "Server failure with S3 86c764/765 [Trio32/64/64V+] " [Unknown,Unknown]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/33504


[14:30] <Ankman> anyone at bell in canada? do i read corectly they waive all extra usage fees until the end of april?


[10:23] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: you around?
[10:23] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, yes?
[10:24] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: do you have time for a final spell check through UWN?
[10:24] <elkbuntu> in gobby or wiki?
[10:24] <Burgundavia> wiki
[10:25] <Burgundavia> I am not going to send until tomorrow at work, in about 8 hours
[10:25] <Burgundavia> figure we are late enough already this week
[10:25] <Burgundavia> the only key deadline is that we cannot miss the LWN
[10:26] <elkbuntu> hmm... wtf.. i think oo.o spellcheck is teh broken...
[10:27] <Burgundavia> yep
[10:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[10:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> use firefox2's ;)
[10:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> or gaims ;)
[10:27] <Burgundavia> or epiphanies
[10:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbl. food
[10:28] <Burgundavia> ok, back in a flash
[10:28] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, wasnt the distrowatch mention of the surveys & marketing team in last week's?
[10:29] <Burgundavia> if it was, kill it
[10:29] <elkbuntu> hmm.. nope, wasnt...
[10:33] <elkbuntu> i must have added it really early in the week or something and someone reworded it.
[01:19] <elkbuntu> hmm?
[01:19] <lophyte> guess who got his membership yesterday :D
[01:20] <elkbuntu> :D
[01:20] <elkbuntu> congrats!
[01:20] <jenda> The Marketing Team is happily becoming very, very membered :)
[01:22] <lophyte> thanks :)
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> wd lophyte , btw :)
[01:23] <lophyte> go figure.. I just got an email from a guy in my loco team who got in contact with redhat's #1 guy in Canada and he's willing to give us anything we want for promotion
[01:25] <lophyte> silly redhat
[02:51] <jenda> MenZa: One more thing - how many will there be altogether?
[02:52] <MenZa> jenda: around 4 or 500 if my last numbers are still correct
[02:52] <MenZa> If it doesn't suffice, just drop me a note and I'll do some more.
[02:52] <jenda> ok, very good. thanks.
[02:53] <MenZa> np.
[02:57] <jenda> MenZa, i'm sure it won't suffice :) But I don't have a problem with paying the printer here a hundred bucks to print another thou.
[02:57] <MenZa> haha
[02:57] <MenZa> yeah, figures
[02:57] <MenZa> Anyway, work
[02:57] <MenZa> I'll give you a status report when I get home
[02:58] <MenZa> bb
[09:28] <tomveens> I am looking for johnlittle
[09:28] <tomveens> or somebody else involved with ubuntuvideo.com
[09:35] <Burgwork> tomveens, now that I think about it, johnlittle has not been seen for a whilte
[09:36] <Burgwork> but when he is, he will be in here
[09:38] <tomveens> Burgwork: okay thanks!
[09:38] <tomveens> I have already send a mail, but like just to talk about it
[10:23] <tech-box> yarr
[11:51] <Burgwork> unstable, there are some things available
[11:51] <Burgwork> where in teh world are you?
[11:51] <unstable> New York
[11:51] <Burgwork> cool
[11:51] <unstable> Farmingdale, NY
[11:51] <Burgwork> what sort of things do you need?
[11:52] <unstable> anything you guys got
[11:52] <Burgwork> well, you can order CDs from shipit.ubuntu.com
[11:52] <unstable> a laptop running Ubuntu and someone talking about it would be nice. Whatever the person who showcases wants to show.
[11:52] <Burgwork> that will come from some stickers
[11:52] <Burgwork> if you want a person, let me see what I can do
[11:52] <unstable> awesome Burgwork
[11:53] <unstable> http://wiki.factfest.org
[11:53] <unstable> It's on November 17th
[11:53] <Burgwork> nixternal, ping
[11:53] <unstable> At Farmingdale State University. www.farmingdale.edu
[11:53] <nixternal> pongalong homer
[11:53] <unstable> John Perry Barlow is our keynote.
[11:54] <Burgwork> nixternal, you know any new yorkers?
[11:54] <nixternal> family
[11:54] <nixternal> my mom's family is in nyc
[11:54] <Burgwork> any Ubuntu sers
[11:55] <nixternal> i was going to say Og, but he moved
[11:55] <nixternal> you are only 4 hours from Mako
[11:55] <Burgwork> yep
[11:55] <nixternal> 4 hours from my house in Maryland
[11:55] <nixternal> ;)
[11:55] <nixternal> to bad im not in maryland anymore
[11:55] <nixternal> you can visit my x-wife though..she is an ubuntuer..as well as my daughter
[11:55] <nixternal> ;)
[11:56] <Burgwork> nixternal, I am looking for somebody to help out unstable here
[11:56] <nixternal> isn't there a NY LoCo?
[11:57] <Burgwork> not according to google
[11:57] <nixternal> heh, not according to the loco list either
[11:58] <nixternal> you can ask Og if he knows of anyone
[11:58] <nixternal> im sure he has to know somebody
[11:58] <Burgwork> UbuntuWorldWide on the wiki lists some new yorkers


[05:59] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:14] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[06:16] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[08:10] <seb128> goood morning desktopers (think I forgot IRC earlier?)
[08:32] <duflu> Hi seb128.  Not bad.
[12:11] <lissyx> seb128, oSoMoN, do you have test plans on firefox for enterprise-level deployments things?
[12:12] <seb128> lissyx, I don't know of any
[12:12] <oSoMoN> lissyx, nothing enterprise-specific that I know of, but maybe jibel knows something?
[12:12] <lissyx> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1785278 is kinda ready but I'd like to see how we could properly cover that by tests
[12:12] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Mozilla bug 1785278 in Core "AutoConfig in snap" [S3, Reopened]
[12:13] <lissyx> (also wonder if it applies to flatpak)
[13:31] <luna> anywhere to see how long a release is ESM supported with Ubuntu Pro?
[13:33] <jbicha> luna: run this command on a terminal:  pro status
[13:33] <jbicha> or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases#Extended_Security_Maintenance
[13:34] <luna> jbicha: thank you having a 32 bit laptop that runs 18.04 so was thinking of maybe using ESM when its EOL next year
[13:34] <luna> thanks for the wiki page
[13:35] <jbicha> luna: I don't think that's supported. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ESM/16.04
[13:35] <luna> says 18.04 is supported until April 2028 with ESM and April 2023 without
[13:35] <jbicha> you can follow up in #ubuntu-security to confirm whehter 18.04 will support 32bit, because earlier ESM did not at all
[13:36] <luna> jbicha: oh ok
[13:37] <luna> did so now
[13:37] <luna> nope only for 64bit so its EOL for real in April next year :p
[13:38] <luna> thanks for the answers
[20:45] <KGB-2> mutter signed tags bd1c198 Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/43.0-1ubuntu2 * mutter Debian release 43.0-1ubuntu2 * https://deb.li/JOlj
[20:46] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/master 9ad31bf Jeremy Bicha debian/ control control.in gbp.conf * Update Vcs fields for kinetic * https://deb.li/3mJAR
[20:46] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/master 75fe3fd Jeremy Bicha debian/patches/ series monitor-Keep-the-dbus-night-light-supported-property-in-s.patch * Cherry-pick patch to fix Night Light availability in GNOME Settings * https://deb.li/3UZID
[20:46] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/master 4231cfe Jeremy Bicha debian/changelog * releasing package mutter version 43.0-1ubuntu2 * https://deb.li/i7Viz


 things are not going well in ci.
 @HMollerCl [things are not going well in ci.], Oh?
 there is a lot of unsucesfull builds
 So one of the packages with a lot of reverse dependencies failed. No biggie
 if you say so
 I noticed but am a bit busy right now.
 I think we should push for a new lxqt release for 20.04
 +1
 are there any more "waitworthy" additions in the pipeline or should we start pushing from now?
 for LXQt stuff?
 (I don't know if that work exists,my german roots make me want to stick words together)
 @kc2bez [for LXQt stuff?], yes
 @HMollerCl [are there any more "waitworthy" additions in the pipeline or should we start pus …], ("worthy of waiting for" but the point came across fine, it's very German of you to say it that way 😆)
 jejeje, doy you know if there are some worthy of waiting for additions for LXQt @tsimonq2 ?
 I'm not sure offhand
 on another issue does my response for update-notifier went trough? For that person who was complaining.
 I saw your reply, I don't remember seeing anything come back.
 @kc2bez [I saw your reply, I don't remember seeing anything come back.], ok, good, sinc eI didn't saw my reply I was concerned.
 you think we shoudl leave the sleep for the notifier to 24 hour? now is only 1 hour if one dismisses it.
 and it runs at the start of the session also
 (then it sleeps=
 )
[02:15] <kc2bez> 24 hours makes sense to me. That should be frequent enough.
[02:28] <wxl> so https://ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker.org/ is down, there's been no commits since june to the project https://github.com/mzanetti/ubuntu-pi-flavor-makers and we've got new ubuntu images that include support for 4's https://ubuntu.com/blog/updated-images-of-ubuntu-for-the-raspberry-pi-2-3-and-4 … can someone remind me why we don't just have people install the server images w/ lubuntu-desktop?
[02:29] <kc2bez> I think that is honestly a good solution.
[02:29] <kc2bez> I had success with it.
[02:30] <wxl> right now we only offer a magnet link
[02:30] <wxl> which is … strange
[02:31] <wxl> oh gawd there's an icon for magnet link for eoan that's https
[02:31] <wxl> did i ever tell anyone i hate websites? and wordpress? sigh.
[02:31] <kc2bez> WordPress isn't fun
[02:32] <wxl> btw i noticed compton was dropped from the ubuntu pi flavor maker images based on being unreliable https://github.com/mzanetti/ubuntu-pi-flavor-makers/commit/02ed41e09f4ed51201fc4c4c97e393b727192aa1
[02:33] <wxl> hah
[02:33] <kc2bez> Compton from the desktop install seems to work.
[02:33] <wxl> the main ubuntu pi download page actually SUGGESTS installing lubuntu-desktop. it's included as a "popular" choice for a desktop! https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi
[02:34] <kc2bez> nice
[02:34] <wxl> we're 2/3 behind xubuntu but ahead of kubuntu
[02:36] <kc2bez> if you follow those instructions does sddm get installed?
[02:36] <wxl> only one way to find out
[02:36] <wxl> if not we need to fix that
 I don't have a pi
[02:37] <wxl> so reading at https://planet.mate-desktop.org/ i see they stopped shipping compiz and compton after major changes to the marco window manager… maybe time to drop openbox?</heresy>
[02:38] <wxl> sddm is a direct depend of lubuntu-desktop so i can't see why it WOULDN'T get installed.
[02:38] <lynorian> didn't marco have in built compositing for a while?
[02:38] <kc2bez> when I installed Lubuntu on my pi I did a `sudo apt install lubuntu-desktop^ sddm`
[02:39] <kc2bez> so it did a task sel
[02:39] <wxl> hm i guess we should play with that
[02:39] <kc2bez> I think you are right lynorian Marco does compositing.
[02:40] <wxl> that would explain the claim of not having screen tearing with it
 I think marco has had that for a while
 I will try to find some time to run through another install on my pi.
[03:10] <guiverc> i have a pi 2b+ (I think it is); i can test on that if helpful (I've not been watching conversation sorry)
[06:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc2c71ba83f5e: Add other ways to close] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc2c71ba83f5e
[06:12] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALf83a54af7845: Add Close button] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALf83a54af7845
[06:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALf9b854899476: Add close button] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALf9b854899476
[07:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7fc339be309f: Add close button] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7fc339be309f
[07:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL488609783fc6: Add close button] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL488609783fc6
[07:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa2b04d533f8c: Add close button] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa2b04d533f8c
[07:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALf7be60f93662: Add Close button] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALf7be60f93662
[07:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL4f7d9ecac9ed: Fix capitilization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL4f7d9ecac9ed
[07:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL600f06d39c2e: Add close button] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL600f06d39c2e
[07:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALbdf0a4dd36c7: Fix capitlization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALbdf0a4dd36c7
[07:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALec8a3c4f45e1: Add Close button] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALec8a3c4f45e1
[07:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8266060f0d93: Add Close button] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8266060f0d93
[07:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL3bc3c485cc8e: Add Close button] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL3bc3c485cc8e
[07:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa8b5925f7c2e: Fix capitlization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa8b5925f7c2e
[19:26] <wxl> here's the proof we need to ship kvantum… let's make this happen!!! i think worrying about overhead is silly, really. people don't HAVE to use it, just like compton or libreoffice https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/lxqt-apps-do-not-respect-chosen-theme/612/6?u=wxl
 please don't ship that buggy #$&£!
 @RikMills [please don't ship that buggy #$&£!], Oh?
 KDE devs are not fans. They get bugs on it, and its not their problem. One of them was joking (or not) the other day that they would like to blacklist it from working in a KDE environment.
 What kind of issues come up?
 At lot to do with transparency and compositing I think? As it has that as a feature. I am not 100% sure, as we don't have it, I just shrug and move on when I see it mentioned.
 I don't mean to discard your concerns but unless there's a clear reason not to ship it, we might as well
 I am totally willing to listen to points for it either way though
 If anyone reports issues with it in KDE, I will mark that won'tfox
 Well, maybe nto won'tfix, but I won't make any effort
 Okay
 Ha. Looks like kvantum are currently saying KDE need to fix kwin, and KDE say kvantum need to fix their theme. Stalemate
 what about qt5ct? is another option to kvantum. I know @N0um3n0 has been using it.
 @HMollerCl [what about qt5ct? is another option to kvantum. I know @N0um3n0 has been using i …], true, I like it better than kvantum
 kvantum works best if you don't stray too far from the built in themes. There are a lot of knobs and levers revealed and it can be confusing for folks.
 That said, it can make things look very nice if well applied.
 I need to try qt5ct and give a comparison.
[23:11] <wxl> well i'm not married to kvantum. i like it and it clearly fixes a problem we have. however, i think the larger problem is mentioned by the user in that post: that we don't have a good *unified* way to deal with theming. i'm not sure we have a good solution for that. but we should add, as much as possible, tools to make it easier at least.
 I agree. I am not opposed to including it. I think we need to provide some instruction along with it (like we do with everything, thanks @lynorian ). We may have fewer issues with it because we don't have kwin.
[23:24] <wxl> i guess i'll make a task
[23:26] <wxl> speaking of instruction, i was thinking it would be good to have a project which seeks to mirror the manual in video
 was that a hint ;)
[23:27] <wxl> was that you volunteering for the job? XD
 XD
 I am willing to help. It would be great to have some others work on it too.
[23:29] <wxl> agreed
 @N0um3n0 [true, I like it better than kvantum], I haven't been able to set it up
 @HMollerCl [I haven't been able to set it up], qt5ct?  … https://www.pcsuggest.com/lxqt-dark-style/
 @N0um3n0 [qt5ct?  … https://www.pcsuggest.com/lxqt-dark-style/], good that worked, I was changing the env variables in .profile and it didn't worked.
 quick view, qt5ct handles icons, kvantum does not. But apparently panel icons are handled different than the way lxqt does.


[00:06] <pppingme> I was looking for anyone that has recent purchases..  or quotes.. trying to avoid sticker shock before we sit down with ibm
[00:06] <pppingme> I know dula frame z14 pricing, trying to figure out where the rockhopper2 fits in
[00:24] <xnox> pppingme, take analgesics first?! =)
[00:27] <xnox> pppingme, i believe rockhopper2 and z14, are equivalent generation / capacity mainframes.
[00:27] <pppingme> yes, rockhopper2 is a single frame z14
[00:28] <pppingme> emperor2 is the dual frame z14
[00:28] <xnox> pppingme, rockhopper2 should be possible to configure differently / price differently as the pricing there is for linux-only as far as I understand positioning.
[00:28] <pppingme> right, rockhopper and emperor are the "IFL only" z14's
[00:28] <xnox> pppingme, i only have access to z13, and we got it on a loan contract =/
[00:29] <xnox> so nothing comparable.
[00:29] <xnox> in terms of running Ubuntu / Ubuntu Openstack / Ubuntu KVM it is all well supported across all of them, obviously.
[00:30] <pppingme> corrected: right, rockhopper2 and emperor2 are the "IFL only" z14's


[02:04] <jcastro> bkerensa: oh hey
[02:04] <jcastro> are you in correspondance with Otto wrt. the IRC stuff?
[02:20] <Rasa> Dr.Mo!
[02:20] <Rasa> where you at? lol
[02:21] <Rasa> Rasa paging Dr.Mo please. (hi everyone else) ;)
[02:22] <doctormon> Rasa: Hi!
[02:22] <Rasa> :) Hey there man.
[02:22] <doctormon> Just digging into my router config
[02:22] <Rasa> thanks for the help :)
[02:23] <Rasa> almost 4 years using ubuntu and never had a problem like this i couldnt figure out. lol doh!
[02:23] <Rasa> I just opened the other laptop to try an install of it on that, see what happens.
[02:24] <Rasa> different router, shouldnt affect this i wouldnt think.
[02:25] <doctormon> Rasa: OK, so just tested the gitso, it worked locally. Let's see, you type into the command line: 'gitso --connect <IP_ADDRESS>'
[02:26] <Rasa> ok... 1 sec
[02:27] <Rasa> gitso window popped up again with "couldnt connect"..
[02:27] <Rasa> and terminal says...
[02:27] <doctormon> remember to use pastebin
[02:27] <Rasa> The VNC desktop is:      ahmose-ThinkPad-Z61t:0 PORT=5900 GitsoThread.run(pid: 5702) running... 22/05/2012 22:27:01 Making connection to client on host <IP_ADDRESS> port 5500 Processes.KillPID(5702) vncviewer: no process found caught signal: 15 22/05/2012 22:27:01 deleted 40 tile_row polling images.
[02:28] <Rasa> oh ok..
[02:28] <doctormon> Rasa: http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[02:29] <Rasa> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1002294/
[02:29] <Rasa> thanks
[02:32] <doctormon> Rasa: Obviously some interesting issue with my router, damn openWrt for being so awesome ;-)
[02:32] <Rasa> haha, Sorry bro.
[02:33] <Rasa> this stuff is lost on me. Clearly. lol
[02:34] <doctormon> Rasa: Btw, welcome to the inner ubuntu community sanctum.
[02:35] <doctormon> Pull up a couch spot, this is where people talk about all sorts of inner workings.
[02:35] <Rasa> Thanks man. :) I'm honored. :P
[02:35] <Rasa> Interesting.. I've gotten into the lair..  ;) lol
[02:36] <Rasa> COuch spot -Check
[02:38] <Rasa> Should i uninstall 2.6 on this other laptop before trying to install 2.8?
[02:39] <Rasa> Tried that on this one and that didnt help either.
[02:40] <doctormon> Rasa: Install 2.8 directly, you have the ppa installed right?
[02:40] <Rasa> yeah
[02:40] <Rasa> About to install it on the other laptop with the fresh 12.04 install
[02:47] <doctormon> Rasa: Try a connection now
[02:48] <Rasa> ok....
[02:49] <doctormon> pleia2: How are you today?
[02:49] <Rasa> Doctormon: Gah. could not connect!
[02:49] <Rasa> lol
[04:19] <pleia2> doctormon: good good, hope all is well over there!
[07:05] <dholbach> good morning
[07:28] <jono> morning dholbach
[07:28] <dholbach> oi jono!
[07:30] <jono> :-)
[07:31] <dholbach> Graham's picture really turned out nicely
[07:35] <jono> dholbach, yeah, it looks cool :-)
[07:35] <jono> I am pretty happy with it
[07:36] <jono> dholbach, fancy a fun new project?
[07:36] <popey> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-3vb-zJWZexc/T7yM3SVEM9I/AAAAAAAAAWA/Nn1NDzoAlEE/s632/popeyryan.png
[07:36] <jono> ;-)
[07:36] <jono> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Specs/WebGallery
[07:36] <popey> jono ^^
[07:36] <jono> popey, LOL!
[07:36] <popey> it's so wrong it's right
[07:36] <dholbach> haha
[07:37] <dholbach> jono, wow - you're really unstoppable
[07:37] <jono> dholbach, hehe
[07:38] <dholbach> recently I was thinking it'd be good to set up a separate team (with mailing list, etc) for all the web projects we have, like summit, ltp, etc
[07:38] <jono> man, the second image on http://canonicalpeoplelookingatthings.blogspot.co.uk/ made me LOL just now
[07:38] <dholbach> it'd make it much easier to attract good web people and share best practices
[07:38] <popey> ☺
[07:39] <popey> i couldn't resist that when I saw him standing there
[07:39] <jono> haha
[07:39] <jono> dholbach, good idea
[07:39] <jono> dholbach, ubuntu-web-hackers could be a nice little sub-community
[07:40] <dholbach> yes and I'm sure I'd learn some new tricks in there as well :)
[07:42] <jono> :-)
[07:42] <jono> alright shower and bed for me
[07:42] <jono> night all!
[09:54] <s-fox> Hello
[10:01] <daker> dholbach, nice t-shirt ツ
[10:03] <dholbach> :-)
[10:48] <popey> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Cu-MKSDNLfc/T7y_7U_MwQI/AAAAAAAAAZw/iJ1M-_iJN2k/s765/popemmunity.jpg
[10:49] <czajkowski> ahhhhhhhhhhhh my eyes
[10:50] <s-fox> dare i ask?
[10:50] <s-fox> is popey an internet meme?
[10:52] <dholbach> oh man :)
[11:02] <daker> LoL
[11:15] <dpm> man, the pommunity picture is the scariest of all
[12:04] <balloons> pommunity is epicly scary
[12:04] <balloons> I can't even talk about it
[12:04]  * balloons shudders
[13:05] <czajkowski> pleia2: one for you and you've been there http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/dublin-zoo-chimp-rescues-three-ducklings-552589.html
[13:09] <balloons> czajkowski, I love how he negotiated for them.. got him some bananas!
[13:09] <jcastro> heh that is awesome
[13:56] <dholbach> dpm, how often are translations committed to branches?
[13:56] <dpm> dholbach, once a day, around 4 to 6 a.m
[13:57] <dholbach> hum
[13:57] <dholbach> then it should have committed mine
[13:57] <dpm> are they not being committed in the 'translations' branch? Let me have a look
[13:58] <dholbach> no, I set it to be committed to trunk
[13:58] <dholbach> was that wrong?
[13:59] <dholbach> also the translations permissions are set to restricted
[13:59] <dholbach> is that OK?
[14:01] <dpm> yeah, all good settings, sorry let me check now, I got sidetracked
[14:02] <dholbach> don't worry
[14:02] <dholbach> I just did a few simple translations last night, so we have something to play around with
[14:06] <dpm> dholbach, all settings look good. The only think I can think of is that perhaps you changed the export branch from translations to trunk after the commit window. I've done a translation too, let's see if it gets committed tomorrow morning
[14:06] <dholbach> ok
[14:06] <dholbach> thanks dpm
[14:12] <dpm> np :)
[14:25] <jcastro> popey: any idea if the video card on the proliant can handle 1080p video?
[14:25] <jcastro> jono was thinking frontend for TV
[14:30] <popey> unlikely
[14:30] <popey> its a pretty crappy ATI card
[14:31] <jcastro> k
[14:31] <jcastro> james_w: marcoceppi tells me his battery life while suspended on the XPS is pretty bad
[14:31] <jcastro> how's it work for you?
[14:31] <popey> oh get you with your XPS laptops :p
[14:32] <jcastro> popey: have you talked to juan yet?
[14:32] <jcastro> I will mention it to him
[14:32] <popey> no, was I supposed to?
[14:33] <popey> i replied on the bug and reverted the change
[14:33] <popey> and rage-removed juju from my laptop :D
[14:33] <jcastro> there will be more laptops
[14:33] <jcastro> and contests
[14:33] <popey> heh, j/k
[14:33] <popey> i removed it because it was eating cpu - zookeeper iirc
[14:33] <popey> and i needed the cpu cycles for unity
[14:34] <jcastro> oh, juju destroy-environment
[14:34] <jcastro> otherwise you keep shit running
[14:35] <popey> even after reboots?
[14:35] <jcastro> I think so, mine was running
[14:35] <marcoceppi> popey: if you destroy-environment even after a reboot it should take down ZK
[14:36] <jcastro> anyway I have a WI for explaining the LXC environment crap better
[14:36] <balloons> ^^
[14:36] <jcastro> the docs make it sound like it's tea and donuts when you use LXC
[14:36] <jcastro> what it really is is a nightmare
[14:36] <jcastro> "oh awesome, a bunch of virtual network adapters, yay."
[14:37] <jcastro> I left mine running and I ran out of space because the machine logs just kept going and going.
[14:37] <jcastro> 679gb of text logs.
[14:37] <balloons> jcastro, you going to review my charm btw?
[14:37] <jcastro> balloons: it's in the queue, the queue is down to 19 items
[14:37] <jcastro> so "soon"
[14:37] <jcastro> we needed to set up the queue yesterday
[14:38] <balloons> :-)
[14:38] <jcastro> which we didn't have because we didn't have many contributions
[14:38] <balloons> no worries I just thought I would bug you
[14:38] <balloons> and poke you a little publically
[14:38] <mhall119> jcastro: I'm so close to having summit charmed, but I can't get the postgres relation to connect
[14:38] <jcastro> http://jujucharms.com/review-queue
[14:38] <jcastro> balloons: as you can see right away we found a bunch of old junk just laying around
[14:40] <balloons> lp charm would be amazing
[14:43] <james_w> I ran out of diskspace yesterday as well
[14:44] <james_w> jcastro, I haven't noticed a problem, but I haven't been carrying it around much yet
[14:44] <jcastro> k
[14:44] <james_w> it's pretty poor when active though
[14:47] <jcastro> hey wait a minute
[14:47] <jcastro> marcoceppi: did you do that MAAS/virtualbox thing on the XPS?
[14:47] <marcoceppi> jcastro: no, I did it on at my office work station
[14:47] <marcoceppi> I'm going to try the Xen setup on the XPS
[14:48] <jcastro> y u no kvm?
[14:49] <marcoceppi> I've never used KVM before
[14:49] <jcastro> oh, it's like built in
[14:49] <marcoceppi> Built in to what? Ubuntu?
[14:50] <jcastro> yeah, via the kernel
[14:50] <jcastro> basically, you get it ootb
[14:50] <AlanBell> you have to install some stuff
[14:51] <AlanBell> don't need to reboot
[14:52] <marcoceppi> PXE boot and WOL supported in KVM?
[14:52] <marcoceppi> I'd love to try that as a replacement for LXC + Juju
[14:54] <AlanBell> PXE yes http://box.matto.nl/kvmpxe.html not so sure about WOL
[14:54] <marcoceppi> I'll play with that today then
[14:54] <marcoceppi> Another MAAS adventure!
[14:55] <AlanBell> I can imagine some very perplexed virtualisation developers wondering why you would want them to support WOL
[14:56] <marcoceppi> ha
[14:59] <dholbach> hey jono
[14:59] <jono> hey dholbach
[15:01] <jono> dholbach, jcastro, balloons, mhall119, dpm go ahead with the hangout, I need to speak to Rick for one min, just invite me and I will join when done
[15:01] <dpm> ok
[15:01]  * dholbach sets it up
[15:12] <technoviking> s-fox: Thoughts http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11961683
[15:17] <s-fox> technoviking,  I like where you are going with it :)
[15:17] <s-fox> technoviking,  Perhaps it would help if the font size is the same on forums member?
[15:23] <technoviking> the font is the same on all, it is an illusion or attachment upload weirdness
[15:25] <greg-g> technoviking: whoa, did you really get your name from that awesome techno guy? I figured your nick was pre that video
[15:27] <s-fox> technoviking,  cool . Upload and lets have a proper look :)
[15:27] <technoviking> I stole it, was using my real name on irc and forums before, then got a harassing call from a peeved forums user I banned, so went with a name that was harder to figure out, :)
[15:28] <technoviking> will do after 2 hours of meeting :(
[15:29] <s-fox> technoviking,  that is why i keep my name off the web.
[15:29] <s-fox> it does honestly scare me
[15:29] <bodhi_zazen> technoviking: I like the new ranks
[15:30] <greg-g> technoviking: /me nods
[15:31] <technoviking> Plus I dream to be a german bodybuilder and raver:)
[15:36] <greg-g> technoviking: don't we all?
[15:37]  * greg-g eyes dholbach :)
[15:37]  * dholbach rolls eyes
[15:37] <dholbach> :-P
[15:38] <czajkowski> dholbach: hey mister model we've seen the poses you strike for the camera :)
[15:52] <nigelb> balloons: heya!
[15:52] <balloons> nigelb, howdy!
[15:53] <balloons> technoviking, wow that's a crazy story..
[15:54] <technoviking> balloons: my wife was less than happy
[16:40] <pleia2> czajkowski: aww, yay chimp saving duckies!
[16:43] <jcastro> hey danilos
[16:43] <jcastro> I mean dholbach
[16:43] <jcastro> I want a calendar for charm pilot
[16:43] <jcastro> but i am hesistant to include another calendar
[16:43] <danilos> hey jcastro, sorry for messing up with your tab-completion :)
[16:43] <czajkowski> pleia2: :)
[16:43] <dholbach> jcastro, just set up a google calendar, no?
[16:43] <jcastro> would it be a good idea to just share your existing calendar and add our charm entries as different pilots?
[16:43] <jcastro> or should I just set up a new calendar?
[16:44] <dholbach> I would set up a new one
[16:45] <jcastro> ok
[16:45] <dholbach> it will make things less confusing
[16:46] <jcastro> k, thanks!
[16:57] <jcastro> balloons: dumb question
[16:57] <jcastro> balloons: are we tracking how many top X bugs from errors.ubuntu.com get fixed?
[16:57] <jcastro> like, so in a month we can say "We fixed X amount of crasher bugs that we knew were a problem due to crash submissions"
[17:13] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow
[17:27] <hggdh> cjohnston: ping
[17:27] <czajkowski> anyone seen the uds-q group pic?
[17:29] <popey> he's not put them online yet
[17:29] <popey> http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events
[17:39] <balloons> jcastro, lol, I'm not sure
[17:40] <balloons> I was just speaking to ev about it
[17:47] <czajkowski> popey: thank you
[17:55] <czajkowski> jussi: https://plus.google.com/114008335300241090782/posts/AgjC3GUHkEK
[19:39] <jono> balloons, lets review BPs in 20mins if that works?
[19:40] <balloons> sure as shootin
[19:45] <jono> :-)
[19:59] <jono> balloons, all set?
[20:00] <balloons> as set as I'll ever be
[20:00] <balloons> let's roll
[20:01] <bkerensa> =o
[20:17] <jono> balloons, https://twitter.com/#!/Ubuntu
[20:18] <jcastro> cjohnston: ok my stuff is approved
[20:18] <jcastro> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/u/jorge.html
[20:18] <jcastro> should this be working?
[20:20] <cjohnston> eventually.. on the plane getting ready to depart for hong kong... email me tomorrow if its still broken
[20:20] <cjohnston> jcastro: ^
[20:20] <cjohnston> hggdh: pong
[20:22] <jcastro> rock, thanks
[20:23] <hggdh> will do
[20:23] <hggdh> email?
[20:27] <jono> balloons, http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/DesktopResize
[20:30] <jono> balloons, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/16296/testcases/9/results
[21:00] <balloons> jono, thanks especially for your isotracker thoughts.. they were spot on, and will help out
[21:00] <jono> thanks balloons - we will sand off the rough edges :-)
[21:00] <balloons> you can't believe how excitied I am to just have a tool
[21:01] <balloons> I'm still in the honeymoon period on that.. it's the prettiest thing I've ever seen
[21:01] <balloons> :-)
[21:20] <MrChrisDruif> balloons; tool for what?