[02:15] <thumper> I have a feeling that this branch is going to be large
[02:15] <lifeless> this==?
[02:15] <thumper> this == the branch that adds subscribed_by to BranchSubscription
[02:59]  * thumper wants to delete the branch-notifications test
[02:59] <thumper> however not just yet
[03:16] <poolie> lifeless, feed-pqm would be nicer in gtk i think, where you can directly point to the thing you want
[03:16] <poolie> is this what you were heading for?
[03:16] <lifeless> poolie: not so much
[03:16] <lifeless> lptools has a clickable list already
[03:17] <lifeless> if you're heading in that direction I *highly* encourage you to build on that
[08:11] <henninge> Hello! ;)
[08:12] <henninge> Can packaging links be removed again?
[08:40] <wgrant> henninge: there are at least delete links on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/SOMEPACKAGE
[08:40] <wgrant> I'm not sure about the other end.
[08:48] <wgrant> noodles775: Morning.
[08:48] <noodles775> Hi wgrant :)
[08:49] <wgrant> noodles775: Could you please re-EC2 lp:~wgrant/launchpad/bug-558905-get-archive? It failed a week or so ago now in the MailmanLayer breakage, and I forgot to deal with it.
[08:49] <noodles775> wgrant: sure. Sending now.
[08:49] <wgrant> Thanks.
[08:56] <henninge> wgrant: thanks, the relevant method I was looking for is in PackagingUtil.
[08:58] <wgrant> henninge: Ah, code-wise, I see. Sorry.
[08:58] <henninge> wgrant: no, no, don't be. I found the code through the view which I found through your link ... ;-)
[08:59] <henninge> didn't know about PackaginUtil before
[09:07] <mrevell> Morning
[12:57] <wgrant> Have we lost half the test suite again?
[12:57] <wgrant> That was a sub-3-hour EC2 run.
[13:18] <deryck> wgrant, windmill tests are not run in ec2 now.
[13:19] <deryck> and something else.  mailman tests maybe?
[13:20] <maxb> I don't think the mailman ones ever were (recently)
[13:21] <wgrant> MailmanLayer hasn't ever been run, except for a few hours two weeks ago.
[13:21] <wgrant> But the Windmill thing is a good point.
[13:23] <krkhan> has anyone here communicated with a locally running launchpad over rest?
[13:23] <wgrant> krkhan: yes. Drop the 'api.' from the domain you're using.
[13:23] <wgrant> edge.launchpad.net -> launchpad.dev
[13:23] <wgrant> api.edge.launchpad.net -> api.launchpad.dev
[13:23] <krkhan> wgrant: thanks, let me try
[13:25] <krkhan> wgrant: worked like a charm :-) thanks again
[13:26] <wgrant> krkhan: Excellent.
[14:50] <BjornT> matsubara: ping
[14:50] <matsubara> BjornT, hi
[14:51] <BjornT> matsubara: i'm trying to get the oops-tools running locally. i've followed the instructions in the readme.txt, but when i go to /oops, i get ProgrammingError: relation "oops_oops" does not exist
[14:52] <matsubara> BjornT, did you run bin/django syncdb?
[14:53] <BjornT> matsubara: yes. the output looked a bit odd, though. let me get you a paste...
[14:54] <jelmer_> Are there any plans to switch to python 2.6 in the near future ? I vaguely recall seeing something but don't remember where.
[14:55] <matsubara> jelmer_, gary_poster is working on that
[14:55] <gary_poster> jelmer_, matsubara, yeah, at least in a supervisory capacity.  here are the plans
[14:56] <BjornT> matsubara: nm. i guess i should do what the output tells me to do (although, it said to use manage.py, which doesn't exist)
[14:56] <gary_poster> Well, don't know how much detail you want :-)
[14:56] <BjornT> matsubara: fwiw, the output was this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/440408/
[14:56] <gary_poster> The summary is that we plan to switch to Python 2.6 and Lucid for 10.06, the release after this one.
[14:56] <matsubara> BjornT, when it says manage.py use bin/django instead.
[14:56] <gary_poster> jelmer/jelmer_: ^^^
[14:57] <matsubara> BjornT, bin/django is a buildout wrapper for manager.py
[14:57] <jelmer_> gary_poster: ah - thanks!
[14:57] <matsubara> BjornT, right, now you just bin/django migrate and then you should be good
[14:57] <gary_poster> np :-)
[14:59] <BjornT> matsubara: now, how do i actually use it? :)
[15:00] <matsubara> BjornT, do you think the README.txt could be improved? Would you add the missing steps to it and provide a diff?
[15:00] <matsubara> BjornT, make run
[15:00] <BjornT> matsubara: yes, i plan to add what's missing, if anything (e.g. the migrate part)
[15:00] <BjornT> matsubara: right, it's running. and then?
[15:00] <matsubara> BjornT, you probably want to add some sample data to it, so `make load_sample_data` first and then `make run`
[15:01] <BjornT> matsubara: well, i want to load the oopses in /var/tmp/lperr
[15:01] <matsubara> BjornT, then you can point your browser to localhost:8000/oops
[15:04] <matsubara> BjornT, if you know the OOPS id, you can enter it in the search oops field, click the button and it should give you the OOPS page
[15:05] <matsubara> BjornT, or do you want a summary of all oopses in /var/tmp/lperr?
[15:05] <BjornT> matsubara: i do know the oops id. it doesn't find any oops with that id
[15:06] <BjornT> matsubara: getting a summary would be useful as well
[15:06] <matsubara> BjornT, can you make sure /var/tmp/lperr is in src/oopstools/settings.py ?
[15:07] <matsubara> BjornT, oh nm
[15:07] <matsubara> it probably is and I know why you're not finding those oopses
[15:07] <matsubara> s/you're/oops-tools/
[15:09] <matsubara> BjornT, can you try bin/update_db and see if loads the oopses you want?
[15:10] <BjornT> matsubara: tried that already: Loaded 0 OOPS into the database.
[15:12] <matsubara> BjornT, what are the dirs you have in /var/tmp/lperr?
[15:12] <BjornT> matsubara: 2010-05-19 and 2010-05-26
[15:16] <matsubara> BjornT, can you try this patch: https://pastebin.canonical.com/32723/ and then bin/update_db again (also check that you do /var/tmp/lperr in settings.py, it should be but it doesn't hurt to double check)?
[15:19] <adiroiban> any idea why I get this error „ We only know about GET, HEAD, and POST” when trying to save an entry using launchpadlib ? the +apidoc page for that entry specify that it support PATCH method and entry.lp_save() is using PATCH for updating that entry.
[15:20] <BjornT> matsubara: ok, that work (after changing datetime.datetime to datetime.date)
[15:25] <matsubara> BjornT, cool
[15:27] <matsubara> BjornT, to generate the summary you can: bin/analyse_error_reports -pX --html=<path-to-html-summary> --text=<path-to-text-summary> --from=2010-05-18 --db-summary
[15:28] <matsubara> BjornT, I'm not sure the summary/ view would work for X prefixed oopses
[16:17] <gmb> sinzui, Can I get a preemptive RC for https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gmb/launchpad/stored-proc-for-bug-heat-bug-582195/+merge/26064 please? It has been db-approved by BjornT and stub
[16:17] <gmb> sinzui, It's part one of a two-part fix for bug heat calculation taking too damn long.
[16:18]  * sinzui knows your pain
[16:19] <sinzui> gmb, you have my rc
[16:19] <gmb> sinzui, Thank you.
[16:48] <Ursinha> Chex, gary_poster, rockstar, bigjools, danilos, sinzui: production meeting on #launchpad-meeting @ Freenode in 12 minutes
[16:48] <gary_poster> thank you
[16:48] <danilos> Ursinha, can you move it for 17 mins please?
[16:49] <Ursinha> 17 mins?
[16:49] <danilos> Ursinha, oh, it doesn't work like that? ok then, in 11 minutes
[16:49] <Ursinha> danilos, if everyone else agree with that, sure
[16:49] <danilos> Ursinha, no, no, j/k
[16:50] <Ursinha> danilos, .... ok _boss_, sure
[16:50] <Ursinha> :P
[17:02] <adiroiban> henninge, danilos : Hi. Any idea why shortlist is used here http://paste.ubuntu.com/440458/?
[17:03] <danilos> adiroiban, because it's a smarter thing to use than to use list() which may produce gobbles of information
[17:04] <adiroiban> danilos: but if the list is bigger than 300 elements
[17:04] <danilos> adiroiban, I am not sure why are we not returning a resultset though, but I'd have to read more code for that
[17:04] <adiroiban> I get a warning
[17:04] <danilos> adiroiban, yes, it will traceback
[17:04] <adiroiban> is that ok ?
[17:04] <danilos> adiroiban, that's the idea
[17:04] <lifeless> edge is on a go-slow
[17:04] <lifeless> anyone else noticed ?
[17:04] <lifeless> not timing out, but it must be damn close to it
[17:05] <adiroiban> danilos: I have create 4000 templates and using the API, I only get a warning (no traceback) and the batch of 300 templates is fast in the API
[17:05] <adiroiban> danilos: +templates from the browser is taking 5 minutes to render them
[17:06] <danilos> adiroiban, +templates in the browser is broken, one of the reasons is your introduction of using non-cached data with getPOTMsgSets().count(), but it has other problems as well
[17:06] <danilos> adiroiban, anyway, I have a meeting now, sorry
[17:06] <adiroiban> danilos: np. thanks!
[17:41] <danilos> adiroiban, anyway, have you checked that somebody without permissions can't really touch potemplates?
[17:41] <adiroiban> danilos: yes
[17:42] <danilos> adiroiban, cool, then I'll have another look at your branch tomorrow; 300 seems a reasonable limit for productseries, but I'll have to check why we are not returning a resultset there instead
[17:43] <adiroiban> danilos: the limit in shorlist is only „informative”
[17:43] <adiroiban> the full result is returned as a list
[17:43] <adiroiban> and a warning is issued if the limit is exceded
[17:45] <adiroiban> also the +templates page is not using getTranslationTemplates, but rather callling getUtilit(IPOTemplateSet).getSubset() directly
[17:45] <adiroiban> right now the API is the only user for the getTranslationTemplates method
[17:47] <danilos> adiroiban, ah, right
[17:47] <danilos> adiroiban, we should probably use a hardlimit there then
[17:48] <danilos> adiroiban, that's very weird
[17:48] <danilos> adiroiban, all of that should be fixed
[17:51] <adiroiban> danilos: getTranslationTemplates is defined in many places, but only used in lp/registry/templates/distroseries-packaging.pt
[17:51] <adiroiban> and in that template, it is used in a very strange way
[17:51] <adiroiban> assigned to a variable in a tal:define
[17:51] <adiroiban> but that variable is not used later
[17:52] <danilos> adiroiban, it's used in a distroseries copy, and we should probably move the +templates page to it as well
[17:53] <sinzui> adiroiban, I discovered that two months ago...
[17:53] <adiroiban> danilos: ok. maybe we can add pagination to +templates and by doing so avoid the timeout
[17:53] <danilos> adiroiban, I'd like to try to make it work without pagination first: with pagination, we'll have to hack sorting in and I'd rather avoid that
[17:53] <sinzui> adiroiban, danilos. Edwin is working on a model fix that will remove my need for the method
[17:53] <adiroiban> sinzui. ok. thanks!
[17:56] <adiroiban> danilos: regarding the soft/hard limit on shortlist. Do we realy need it?
[17:57] <danilos> adiroiban, yes, because we know we'll time out if we try to process that many, so we can either: 1) ensure we won't time out with unlimited number of entries 2) introduce batching 3) introduce a hard-limit so we see in the OOPSes that our users have started needing it
[17:57] <danilos> 1) is very hard to do, but we can probably raise the limit to a few thousand (thus satisfying ubuntu as well)
[17:58] <adiroiban> danilos: in distroseries, the softlimit is 2000
[17:58] <adiroiban> on for productseries and sourcepackage it is set to 300
[17:58] <danilos> adiroiban, but that page has never worked, and it has gotten only worse
[17:58] <danilos> adiroiban, all of those sound like sane limits to me (and they should be hardlimits at that)
[17:59] <adiroiban> danilos: ok. but from what I think, with or without the hard limit, the page will crash anyways if it tries to get a big number of templates
[18:02] <danilos> adiroiban, yes, and with one approach we'll be using a lot of memory and cpu cycles on our servers (thus exposing a possible, albeit unlikely, DoS attack vector), and in another we'll be giving an error to the user instantly
[18:03] <danilos> adiroiban, when it comes to "choose one", I know which one I am choosing :)
[18:03] <adiroiban> :)
[18:03] <adiroiban> danilos: but, then we need to change the implementation of shortlist
[18:04] <adiroiban> danilos: sorry. nope. just use softlimit instead of hardlimit
[18:05] <sinzui> danilos, adiroiban: We are adding a sum of templates to distrosourcepackage that is cached so that we will not need to do a lot of work for getTranslationTemplates()
[18:07] <mrevell> Righto, friends, I'm offski
[18:25] <jelmer_> are there any known issues with oopses not being cleaned up properly when tearing down tests?
[18:27] <matthew_> how do you remove launchpad from your computer (rocketfuel) ?
[18:28] <jelmer_> matthew_: I don't think we have anything that does that at the moment.
[18:29] <matthew_> do you know what dependencies that it installes then i can remove them manually?
[18:37] <jelmer_> matthew_: for the packages at least you can deinstall launchpad-dependencies, launchpad-developer-dependencies, launchpad-database-dependencies and launchpad-soyuz-dependencies
[18:38] <matthew_> and is all the downloaded items just in /home/matthew/launchpad?
[18:39] <matthew_> ok removed thoese and then did a sudo apt-get autoremove
[18:39] <matthew_> *those
[18:40] <jelmer_> matthew_: in ~/launchpad and it installs some scripts (all starting with rocketfuel- I believe) in /usr/local/bin/, adds some entries to /etc/hosts and adds some files to /etc/apache2 IIRC
[18:45] <matthew_> thanks
[18:47] <Ursinha> rockstar, bug 586467
[18:47] <mup> Bug #586467: upgrade_branches script failing  <Launchpad Bazaar Integration:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/586467>
[18:48] <rockstar> Ursinha, ta
[20:03] <mars> abentley, ping, did using xvfb and 'make check' work for you as a substitute for VNC?  Your mail does say whether switching got you back up and running again or not.
[20:06] <abentley> mars, yes it works for me.
[20:07] <mars> abentley, great.  May have been a known issue in Karmic.  IIRC they fixed xvfb in August or September.
[20:08] <lifeless> mars: what was xvfb doing ?
[20:08] <abentley> mars, I am running Lucid.
[20:08] <mars> abentley, didn't you say you switched to VNC to get around a bug in Xvfb/Karmic that was stopping you?
[20:09] <abentley> mars, when I was using Karmic, I switched to VNC.  When I switched to Lucid, I continued using VNC.
[20:10] <mars> lifeless, don't remember, just that a fix landed in the repos literally minutes before one of our developers needed it :)
[20:10] <mars> abentley, ah, ok.
[20:11] <gmb> sinzui, Can I get a pre-emptive RC for this https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gmb/launchpad/hook-up-stored-proc-boom-bug-585803/+merge/26191 please? It's the second part of project-make-bug-heat-not-suck.
[20:17] <sinzui> gmb, you have my rc. since buildbot threw a wobbly you may still need to use it with PQM submit if ec2 is faster than buildbot
[20:17] <gmb> sinzui, Yeah, that's why I asked now :)
[20:17] <gmb> Thanks
[21:11] <bryceh> I got this error message, am I interpreting it correctly as trying to say, "Your branch could not be landed because PQM is turned off now"?
[21:11] <bryceh> []
[21:11] <bryceh> Command failed!
[21:11] <bryceh> All lines of log output:'Commit message [[r=intellectronica][ui=none][bug=373508,\n\t455203] Flesh out docs
[21:11] <bryceh> for interfaces/bugs.py and fix various\n\tspelling errors.] does not match commit_re
[21:11] <bryceh> [(?is)^\\s*\\[testfix\\]\\s*\\[(?:release-critical=[^\\]]+|rs?=[^\\]]+)\\]]'
[21:18] <thumper> bryceh: no, it needs a testfix
[21:18] <thumper> which means there is a broken test on trunk
[21:18] <thumper> (or buildbot had some other error)
[21:19] <bdmurray> Where can I find the value of config.launchpad.default_batch_size ?
[21:20] <bryceh> thumper, hum odd, I got a "Test results: SUCCESS" at the same time as the above
[21:21] <bryceh> and ec2 test has passed ok on this branch previously to that
[21:21] <thumper> bryceh: ec2 isn't running all the tests right now
[21:21] <bryceh> oh
[21:22] <bryceh> I assumed it was running all the tests...  Is there a way to run all the tests locally or something so I can see what the problem is?  The above error doesn't really give me enough clue as to what's wrong.
[21:22] <bryceh> maybe I should just wait and try again after PQM is back on
[22:42] <jelmer> bryceh: hi
[22:43] <bryceh> hi jelmer
[22:43] <jelmer> bryceh: I saw you did some work on Launchpad support for gtg
[22:43] <bryceh> yes
[22:43] <jelmer> bryceh: What were you working on exactly? I'm looking for a way to integrate my assigned bugs into gtg
[22:43] <bryceh> jelmer, two things
[23:27] <jelmer> mwhudson, thumper: hi
[23:28] <thumper> jelmer: hi
[23:28] <jelmer> thumper: What's the policy for landing things on ~launchpad-pqm/{dulwich,bzr-git,bzr-svn,subvertpy}/devel exactly?
[23:29] <thumper> jelmer: relatively lax given that we need to adjust the revnos in the launchpad branch
[23:29] <thumper> jelmer: if you have something that will work, land it
[23:29] <thumper> jelmer: the justification comes in the LP branch change
[23:29] <jelmer> thumper: ok - thanks!
[23:30] <jelmer> thumper: I'll try and land as part of the releases processes, that way we get the benefit of the QA that happens before a bzr-* release.


[08:34] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:10] <k_sze[work]> If I have the vanilla ubuntu 18.04 with GNOME desktop, what should I install (and configure) to basically convert it to kubuntu with Plasma 5?
[11:19] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
 @k_sze[work], There is this: https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/12/15/kde-apps-at-the-snap-of-your-fingers but maybe not ready as a daily workhorse.
 @Anarchotaoist, Not even slightly ready for production yet, so I would not suggest that in any way.
[14:51] <alekksander> my wifi adapter switches on, then off and then on again on system start resulting long delay for stable connection. could someone please look at my logs?
[15:20] <BluesKaj> alekksander, is this wifi usb dongle/adapter?
[15:20] <BluesKaj> a
[15:22] <alekksander> BluesKaj: yes it is
[15:22] <BluesKaj> alekksander, is it fairly old, over 5 yrs?
[15:24] <BluesKaj> i have one that takes up to 1 minute to connect and it's 10 yrs old
[15:24] <alekksander> but it used to work fine. only later after system upgrade it got corrupted, system was looking for something else than wlan0 (or whatever it was) and i had to manually chane some file and fix the name. but before i realized how to fix it i tried a bunch of other things… ofc not writing it down and be able to consciously revert changes it resulted in problem i've already described
[15:25] <BluesKaj> i 've looked in the logs ,but they don't show much
[15:27] <BluesKaj> do you recall the file , was? it in network-manager.conf
[15:27] <BluesKaj> oops
[15:27] <alekksander> i think among other things i wrote somewhere to force start it. but file names. sorry, not remembering :(
[15:28] <alekksander> https://pastebin.com/AEMcMjGp
[15:30] <alekksander> https://i.imgur.com/02zMAFx.png
[15:31] <BluesKaj> well ,it shows the wlan turning of and on again but there no file reference to go by
[15:31] <alekksander> so if You want to disable network adapter, what might be good places to manually do it?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> alekksander, changed managed to true in the network manager file
[15:32] <BluesKaj> then save it
[15:32] <alekksander> BluesKaj: done. let me reboot
[15:32] <BluesKaj> don't disable nm
[15:36] <alekksander> BluesKaj: unfortunately that wasn't it
[15:36] <alekksander> is there a place where systemd decides which hardware will run?
[15:37] <BluesKaj> you left before I could mention , install ifupdown
[15:38] <alekksander> it is installed
[17:20] <Piraty> hi there. in the installer, all fields to handle partitions are grey, why is that? (using the graphical installer from a booted live 18.04 kubuntu)
[17:21] <Piraty> and i'm unable to set mountpoint for the efi partition, is taht intended?
[17:29] <Piraty> ah, official doc says esp mountpoint is set automatically by installer. would be fine to state that in the installer iteself
 Hi every1 I came here to find a answer on huge problem 4 me. ANy1 online?
 When I install kubuntu on pendrive , I can move pendrive to another pc and just use it again . Here is another problem . I got samsung harddrive t5 and after installing kubuntu on it , windows cant acces it ( normaly windows was telling me to wipe out pendrive in order to use it. But this time it doesnt even show it ) Discmanager on windows see it at 250 gb harddrive resized on 2 parts ( as it is ) . In devices manager it see
 It wouldnt be a problem , if another pc's would boot kubuntu from it
 I need this harddrive to boot kubuntu on my mian pc and laptop
 Laptop doesnt see harddrive in windows ( see it as cd's reader" and in bios it just open windows even if I set to boot FROM this harddrive
 Any1 help pls?
 I got kubuntu 18.04 lvm on it and around 50 gb of data
 Did I somehow fuc*ed up drivers of this harddrive and its unusable on anothers pc ( I am booted from this harddrive right know ) or whats going on ?
 I can boot kubuntu from pendrive without any problems on another pc
[22:34] <[Relic]> do each of the computers see it in the BIOS?
 yep
 both computers see it in bios
 I can boot it on my main pc but on laptop I cant
[22:35] <[Relic]> UEFI on both or legacy on one?
 to be honest....
 legacy I guess
 I never did open bios on my main pc since it have boot menu
 Give me 2 min to check it
[22:37] <[Relic]> I ran into a problem when one was uefi and another was legacy and the usb drive would crap out when it looked for the other
 Legacy+uefi
 (Photo, 1280x622) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/j6ViKxC0/file_11489.jpg
 And just 1 more question
[22:42] <[Relic]> that's on both the computers you were using?
 To be honest . Hp doesn't allow me to change that
 I don't see what's on
 Sru
 Sry*
 Main legacy+uefi
 Laptop legacy
 (Photo, 1280x622) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/Ncekpj0m/file_11490.jpg
 Should I change it ?
[22:46] <[Relic]> you could try changing it and see if the hd shows up then
 On main pc in boot menu I got option 'ubuntu ' . It appeared after installing Ubuntu first time on pendrive . If I choose harddrive where I got installed kubuntu on my main pc , it show me error that this is not proper device to run system
 Did I do something wrong with that ?
[22:48] <[Relic]> so you are trying to dual boot windows and kubuntu
 I got kubuntu installed on harddrive
 external harddrive
 and on every pc I got , there is win 10 as main system installed on "C" = internal harddrive
 Only 1 there is in pc
 I could boot kubuntu from pendrive without any problems
 but I cant from harddrive
[22:52] <[Relic]> haven't done that before but I think you are looking for something like this ->  https://www.dionysopoulos.me/portable-ubuntu-on-usb-hdd/
 I dont think u get what I trying to say Or I am tired as hell and write stupid stuff
 I made bootable pendrive with kubuntu as live cd to install it
 I booted it on my pc ( it was just an iso to install kubuntu ) and I did install it on my harddrive
[22:53] <[Relic]> ok
 its working
 but other pc's see harddrive in bios
 but cant boot from it
[22:54] <[Relic]> ok
 When I click in boot menu "ubuntu" on my main pc it boot from it
 but when I choose just an harddrive it says that its not proper device
 No errors , no logs , nothing
 Thats why I ask
 what I did wrong
 is it only legacy or uefi ?
 I did same isntall with old pendrive
 it was working perfect
 on every pc
 but slow cuz its pendrive
[22:58] <[Relic]> so it is on your main computer and you want to access it from another computer?
 yep
[22:59] <[Relic]> from the screen shots one is uefi and one is legacy, try turing the legacy to uefi and check
 When I connect harddrive via usb-a 3.0 on my main pc , I can boot from it
 thx
 I want to move hardrvie to another pc
 which uefi?
 There are 2
 Hybrid or native?
[23:00] <[Relic]> I'd just try the first one to see
 I am noob when it coms to linux etc . Thats why I trying to learn some more
 thx
 Btw
 Will I still be able to boot windows?
[23:01] <[Relic]> think the hybrid should work, but not sure on every computer type
[23:01] <[Relic]> I have seen some very strange things done with computers
 What I mean ?
 So is it safe to turn on uefi or not ?
 It's not my pc . It's my friend and he got + 100 GB files on it but I got my files too so I fought to not trash his stuff and just boot kubuntu
 Will windows be safe with that ?
 Will I be able to boot it
[23:05] <[Relic]> trying to find something on hp forums to check, win 7 or 8?
 10
 Came with 7
 Hp elite book
 Elite book 840 g1
 (Photo, 622x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/nWDjUAR1/file_11491.jpg
 People are saying it's not safe :(
 Is it true ?
[23:13] <[Relic]> https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04201984  <- reading this right now, but not sure; I would be worried about it without a very good look through, you might want to try the hp support/forums as they would be more knowledgable in their products
[23:16] <[Relic]> my guess is you would need to make a legacy install or upgrade the legacy to UEFI for windows which seems to be a hot topic on the hp site
 I'll read more about it . Thz
[23:21] <[Relic]> if you have access to an older legacy computer you could make a legacy install of kubuntu, which might be faster solution
 If I should be honest with u , i have no idea what are u talking about . Sorry but I am noob
 I just wanted to learn stuff and now it came out I can damage some1's pc like that
[23:23] <[Relic]> everyone starts somewhere, and best to find out before you do it
 But still . Thx 4 ur time <3 .I couldn't get help anywhere
 Ye0
[23:24] <[Relic]> most of europe is near sleeping time I think right now
 02 am here
 Kubuntu best distro


[16:31] <pleia2> that's our standing regular time for a meeting, I don't anticipate us having newly voted upon times for meetings before that
[16:31] <pleia2> and I can chair it
[16:31] <pleia2> I'll send out a reminder too :)
[16:32] <AlanBell> great
[16:48] <nigelb> I love it when pleia2's on a roll ;)
[16:49] <pleia2> I'm at an airport, few distractions ;)
[16:50] <nigelb> lol, imagine the implications of that :p
[16:50] <pleia2> I actually have a lot to catch up on, too much traveling lately
[16:51] <nigelb> heh, been a while since you've had a quiet weekend at home I suppose :-)
[16:51] <nigelb> With the vegas and thanksgiving one
[16:52] <pleia2> yeah, I was home last weekend but it wasn't quiet, had tons of errands and house-things to do
[16:52]  * nigelb hugs pleia2
[16:54]  * pleia2 hugs nigelb
[16:55] <nigelb> :-)
[20:37] <pleia2> ah yes, team reports!


 Boomer*
[06:12] <doordlessia> I would like to submit a bug report but I'm not sure where I should do that, or how to get the information I should include
[06:12] <doordlessia> I just got did a fresh install of 18.04
[06:13] <diogenes_> !bug
[06:14] <doordlessia> diogenes like the dog?
[06:15] <diogenes_> doordlessia, a cynic dog :)
[06:17] <doordlessia> we didn't spend much time on him in the philosophy class I took, but for some reason that ones always stuck with me, respect!
[06:20] <diogenes_> yeah, he beat the hell out of Plato.
[06:25] <doordlessia> No doubt, the rest of em were real good at talking and theorizing but diogenes lived it 100%
[06:26] <doordlessia> have you read any of the existentialists?
[06:37] <diogenes_> doordlessia, Jean-Paul Sartre
[06:43] <valorie> doordlessia: submit a bug about what?
[06:43] <valorie> there is an easy way, in the commandline, but you have to know the name of the package
[06:43] <valorie> it is `ubuntu-bug packagename`
[06:44] <doordlessia> I don't know what package it is. I have a fresh install of 18.04 and after running apt upgrade when I close the lid my computer freeezes
[06:44] <valorie> that logs you into LP ( you should have an account first, i think), collects the needful info, and only asks you to describe what's happening
[06:44] <valorie> update and upgrade?
[06:44] <doordlessia> yes
[06:45] <valorie> ok
[06:45] <valorie> hmmm, I wonderful what supplies suspend
[06:45] <valorie> I used to experience that as well, back in 18.04
[06:46] <doordlessia> you doing 19.04 now?
[06:46] <valorie> 19.10
[06:46] <doordlessia> oh right heh
[06:46] <valorie> 19.04 is no longer supported
[06:46] <valorie> looking forward to 20.04, right around the corner
[06:47] <doordlessia> Oh boy!
[06:47] <valorie> in April
[06:48] <valorie> the way I worked around it was to suspend before closing the lid
[06:49] <doordlessia> were you on a thinkpad by chance?
[06:49] <valorie> Sartre would have approved
[06:49] <valorie> :-)
[06:49] <valorie> no, my little old dell
[06:49] <valorie> I think it was a plasma bug
[06:49] <valorie> long fixed
[06:50] <valorie> I never run old stuff if possible
[06:50] <valorie> unless I'm testing it
[06:51] <doordlessia> hmm not for me. the usb I'm installing from is only two weeks old so it must be something thats happened in between that time
[06:55] <doordlessia> also it's suspend in general, because even if i leave it with the lid open for a while and it goes to sleep it won't wake up again
[08:11] <magedpc> Hi
[08:16] <lordievader> Good morning
 (Video, 11s)https://irc-attachments.kde.org/udp5gtq4/file_25707.mp4 My Laptops screen does not turn off completely, it is a toshiba satellite.
 Any idea?
[10:13] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:08] <Crell> Good morning, folks.  I've a fun issue. Yesterday for reasons unclear, my laptop stopped outputting to its external monitor. But only while I'm logged in. The login form shows on the external monitor fine, so it's not a loose cable issue or such. But once logged in, the video output to the external monitor shuts off.
[13:09] <Crell> This is something of a problem as right now I have Display configured to make the external monitor the primary, so while it's plugged in all of my windows show on the screen that has no output. :-)  If I unplug the external it goes back to the laptop display fine, but that's less useful.
[13:09] <Crell> Any idea what's going on, or how I can correctit?
[13:36] <Crell> Well this is unexpected... Turns out I have both miniDP and HDMI cables going from my laptop's docking station to the monitor.  It was set on miniDP, but that seems to have suddenly stopped working. HDMI, however, does still work.  I am even more confused now.
[23:38] <Oderus> guys everytime i boot up I get some error messages, some of them are only when i have my external hdd connected. https://pasteboard.co/J023hUY.jpg


[00:41] <LjL> just thought i'd paste a reminder every op should keep in mind
[00:41] <LjL> [01:41:20] <-- Keal has left this server (""Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." -Hanlon's Razor").
[00:51] <bazhang> hehe
[00:54] <Seeker`> I prefer nickspoons
[00:55] <Myrtti> LjL: I might do a crosstich home proverb on my wall from that
[00:57] <Myrtti> http://gingeranyhow.com/texts/text18.html
[00:58] <LjL> Seeker`: nickspoon's is just nickspoon's
[00:59] <LjL> Myrtti: the battery looks like it's got a bit of wear
[01:01] <Nafallo> and camels!
[01:03] <Myrtti> http://blog.craftzine.com/archive/2008/07/arkanoid_cross_stitch.html
[01:48] <J-_> Hey :)
[01:48] <LjL> J-_: i don't know just which brands of routers are affected and which of them have firmware upgrades to fix it
[01:48] <LjL> J-_: but you can probably find it somewhere if you start from the links at the bottom of the wiki page about it
[01:49] <LjL> J-_: netgear i think mostly, but not really sure
[01:49] <J-_> LjL: Ah, yeah. My firmware is uptodate.
[01:49] <LjL> J-_: anyway, the router tries to be too smart for its own good, and open ports when it thinks it's getting a DCC SEND request
[01:49] <LjL> J-_: except that if you're given a malformed request (even just in the form of a plain privmsg with dcc send in it), it crashes
[01:50] <J-_> LjL: Ah okay.
[01:50] <LjL> J-_: since the router only cares about 6667, as that's where IRC is supposed to live, being on 8001 fixes it
[01:50] <J-_> Nice
[01:50] <LjL> J-_: you'll see just what sort of strings trigger it when you ask the bots for your test
[01:50] <LjL> never repeat them.
[01:51] <J-_> LjL: Cool.
[01:51] <J-_> Thanks
[01:51] <LjL> np
[02:14] <Flannel> had you just pastebinned the stupid thing 20 minutes ago like I asked, we would've solved this issue then.
[02:14]  * Flannel grumbles.
[06:50] <Flannel> someone ought to ban that host post-part
[06:52] <Flannel> anyone?
[07:15] <elky> Flannel, which what where?
[07:27] <Flannel> elky: thefeds in -ot
[07:36] <elky> if he comes back again... you'll know by the belrs3.optusnet hostmask. there's only 2 others on freenode from the same area
[08:09] <elky> Flannel, libfprint sees and enrolls fine
[08:10] <elky> their gui sucks major eggs though
[08:47]  * jussi01 waves sleepily
[09:33] <elky> Flannel, although, i havent figured how to use it still. i have fingers enrolled now, but it's not tied in with sudo etc yet...
[09:33] <Flannel> Really?
[09:33] <Flannel> I enrolled mine, and everything magically worked.
[09:33] <Flannel> Only thing I couldn't do without first typing my username was unlock the screen
[09:34] <elky> nope, not even sudo on cli works
[09:34] <elky> as i said, i used fprint instead of tf
[09:42] <Myrtti> mmmmm egg
[09:43] <Myrtti> I'm going to try to stay away from the computer today and clean
[09:43] <Tm_T> Myrtti: you can try... (;)
[09:44] <Myrtti> i got the work script to a fairly good condition so I'll use today to clean
[09:45] <Myrtti> and as Irc is fairly painful on this 770, -->
[11:11] <Tm_T> !jaunty
[11:12] <Tm_T> ubottu: no, jaunty is <reply> Jaunty Jackalope is the codename for Ubuntu 9.04, due April 2009, Schedule in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule - Lots of breakage between now and April - Please join #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support.
[11:13] <Tm_T> bah
[11:13] <bazhang> heh
[11:14] <Tm_T> @login
[11:14] <Tm_T> ubottu: no, jaunty is <reply> Jaunty Jackalope is the codename for Ubuntu 9.04, due April 2009, Schedule in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule - Lots of breakage between now and April - Please join #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support.
[11:15] <Tm_T> !jaunty
[11:15] <Tm_T> nice...
[11:15] <Tm_T> I give up, food ->
[11:17] <bazhang> !-web
[11:17] <bazhang> !forget web
[11:18] <bazhang> !no jaunty is <reply> Jaunty Jackalope is the codename for Ubuntu 9.04, due April 2009, Schedule in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule - Lots of breakage between now and April - Please join #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support.
[11:18] <bazhang> !jaunty
[11:18] <bazhang> odd
[11:18] <Tm_T> bazhang: welcome to my reality (;)
[11:19]  * bazhang huggles Tm_T
[11:23] <bazhang> Tm_T, no more problems with drostie, thanks
[11:24] <elky> i unplugged the dell about half an hour ago. it's now saying 5hrs 35mins of charge left
[11:24]  * elky <3's the 9hr battery
[11:24] <bazhang> wow nice
[11:25] <elky> i run the screen on the lowest power setting of course
[11:25] <Tm_T> elky: I'm still waiting my ~15 hours battery to arrive
[11:25] <elky> Tm_T, oooh
[11:25] <bazhang> I am guessing grroovyorange and hynix will be behaving from now
[11:25] <elky> Tm_T, for which laptop
[11:25] <Tm_T> with rest of the laptop (:)
[11:25] <Tm_T> elky: I'm wanting AlwaysInnovating Touchbook, so I can modify it to my needs
[11:25] <elky> and what laptop is that?
[11:26] <elky> or does it not exist yet?
[11:26] <Tm_T> well coming in few months
[11:26] <elky> ooh
[11:26] <elky> errr.. i meant 9 cell not 9 hour
[11:26] <elky> i've been cleaning. slightly fumigated
[11:27] <Tm_T> heh
[11:27] <elky> but still, 6hrs is pretty good battery
[11:27]  * Tm_T really would like to get this one soon, so I can get my hardware tools out from boxes and make some smoke
[11:28] <elky> ikonia, around?
[11:29] <ikonia> just
[11:29] <Tm_T> more food ->
[11:29] <ikonia> I'd just logged in to check my email
[11:29] <ikonia> elky: what's up
[11:30]  * elky wants to know what the good google calendar app he mentioned is
[11:30] <ikonia> ??
[11:31] <ikonia> I'm trying to find a way to sync my E71 against a calander server that's not google calander
[11:31] <elky> ikonia, what's the google calendar app called?
[11:31] <ikonia> which one ? I don't use google calander
[11:32] <ikonia> do you mean the one for syncing google calander with your E71 ?
[11:32] <elky> you mentioned one got released last week or something
[11:32] <elky> yeah
[11:32] <ikonia> http://blog.lanthaler.org/2009/02/nokia-e71-contacts-and-calendar-sync.html
[11:32] <ikonia> yup, syncml can now do it nativly
[11:33] <ikonia> must dash, back later
[12:02] <elky> it doesnt work for me :(
[12:10] <topyli> i've been syncing via scheduleworld.com, works perfectly
[12:12] <topyli> my-funambol.com should work too, and mobilcal.com
[12:12] <elky> that means giving my gmail details to someone else
[12:12] <topyli> mobical.net even
[12:13] <topyli> elky: oh google. i don't use it, i just sync my phone and evolution
[12:14] <elky> google seems to have dropped the ball on it. apparently it doesn't work for anyone anymore
[12:18] <elky> laptop has 4hrs 35 mins left now
[12:18] <elky> it was 5hrs 35 mins about an hour ago. this is awesome
[12:19] <topyli> accurate power-manager readings? stop the press!
[12:20] <elky> i know!
[12:21] <elky> although, in it's credit, i've only had it for 2 days, and the machine itself was probably built around a week ago.
[12:23] <bazhang> metbsd (banned in #ubuntu for trolling) was doing same in #k though quiet for now
[12:56] <jussi01> if bots are slow, its my fault. Im moving quassel off that server for better performance
[13:05] <Seeker`> jussi01: :O
[13:32] <stdin> !bothelp is <reply> For ubottu usage instructions see  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots | For help with ubottu plugins for supybot, please ask in #ubuntu-bots
[13:32] <stdin> !no bothelp is <reply> For ubottu usage instructions see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots | For help with ubottu plugins for supybot, please ask in #ubuntu-bots
[13:36] <stdin> !supybot-#ubuntu-bots | for those of us fed-up with saying it
[15:26] <Myrtti> !gender
[15:26] <LjL> tssss
[15:27] <LjL> well, at least that explains why she's such a bore.
[15:32] <Myrtti> erm
[15:32] <Myrtti> !uuid
[15:33] <Myrtti> what difference does it make if it's run as root vs non-root?
[15:35] <LjL> Myrtti: uhm, not sure right now, but i vaguely seem to remember there was a reason
[15:36] <jussi01> LjL: you be nice to her now...
[15:36]  * jussi01 eyes LjL
[15:36] <LjL> and the reason is that MYRTTI IS MAD
[15:37] <LjL> Myrtti: ok it doesn't need root, *now*. but it used to.
[15:37] <LjL> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/e2fsprogs/+bug/220275
[15:37] <LjL> i'd say leave it like that until those are all EOL
[17:20]  * LjL is not sure whether that might have been real
[20:45] <Myrtti> ubottu: tell snuxoll about exploit
[20:51] <Flannel> What's with #ubuntu annoying people with "please register to speak" stuff?
[20:52] <Tm_T> log?
[20:52] <Flannel> 13:48 <sebsebseb> [20:47] [506] #ubuntu Please register with services and use the IDENTIFY command (/msg nickserv help) to speak in this channel
[20:52] <Flannel> That's sebsebseb telling me the message in a query, obviously
[20:53] <jussi01> is there a reason snux is +v?
[20:53] <Myrtti> jussi01: LjL's madness
[20:53] <Myrtti> jussi01: next question
[20:53] <Flannel> jussi01: mock the voiced
[20:53] <Flannel> But, he can still talk, even without identifying
[20:53] <Flannel> Tm_T: as can you
[20:53] <Flannel> erm, except you're identified
[20:53] <jussi01> oh meh
[20:54] <Tm_T> what, I can be unidentified too?
[20:54] <jussi01> !modes | Tm_T
[20:54] <Tm_T> jussi01: I know
[20:54] <jussi01> particurly +R iirc
[20:54] <Tm_T> jussi01: didn't notice the modes when joining, thought there were spamming bot or so
[20:56] <jussi01> +R (quiet unidentified)  	 This mode prevents users who are not identified with NickServ from speaking in the channel. Users will receive a server notice explaining this if they try to speak.
[20:56] <Tm_T> sebsebseb isn't server?
[20:57] <Flannel> No?
[20:57] <jussi01> Tm_T: oh? I thought he came to you with a complaint
[20:57] <Flannel> just a guy
[20:57] <Flannel> he was telling me about it.
[20:58] <Tm_T> aaa
[20:59] <Tm_T> roger roger
[20:59] <Tm_T> now I'm gone, sleep ->
[21:01] <Myrtti> erhem
[21:01] <Myrtti> [23:00] < Kingsy101> man o man, can someone help, i cant find anything on  google on how to add eclipse PDT to the repos... anyone  have any ideas??
[21:01]  * Myrtti facepalms
[21:05] <jussi01> anyone seen ikonia?
[21:06] <LjL> meh, the whole "please register to speak" thing lasted about 30 seconds
[21:06] <Seeker`> last saw him in here 10 hours ago "ikonia+: must dash, back later"
[21:06] <LjL> i guess sebsebseb didn't notice that the same thing just stopped some couple hundreds bots from joining the day before yesterday?
[21:08] <LjL> although i'm not sure why people are still joining -unregged
[21:08] <LjL> wait a moment
[21:08] <LjL> !ops | does any of you CURRENTL see #ubuntu as +rR on the server you're on?
[21:08] <jussi01> not here
[21:08] <LjL> the joining to -unregged isn't normal
[21:08] <Seeker`> LjL: no
[21:09] <Myrtti> LjL: no
[21:09] <nalioth> LjL: nope
[21:09] <LjL> what's the +J set to?
[21:09] <Myrtti> I'm on simak
[21:09] <LjL> it should be 2,5
[21:09] <LjL> (i can't see it from my client)
[21:09] <jussi01> 2,5 here
[21:10] <LjL> ... just more channel joins than normal?
[21:10] <LjL> but jaunty isn't *so* near
[21:10] <Myrtti> it is 2,5
[21:10]  * vorian is not an op, but it does not show +r or +R
[21:10] <Seeker`> /lastlog +J shows it being set to 2,5 by floodbot2 almost 24 hours ago
[21:10] <LjL> it's after they set +rR believing there was an attack
[21:10] <Flannel> LjL: I don't
[21:10] <LjL> people kept joining -unregged even after they unset that
[21:11] <LjL> and that happened four hours ago
[21:13] <mneptok> LjL: negative
[21:14] <LjL> ok
[21:14] <LjL> verne.freenode.net is desynched
[21:14] <LjL> +rR have remained set on it
[21:17] <LjL> oh christ, i should have known mikem would have spotted it and started complaining
[21:17] <LjL> does he just notice *anything* that goes on with *any* channel modes?
[21:21] <LjL> certainly when i wrote the floodbots i *thought* that having *three* of them sync modes would prevent desync in most circumstances...
[21:21] <LjL> *sigh*
[21:28] <jrib> oh
[21:28] <jrib> someone was complaining about that a few hours ago
[21:28] <jrib> I sent him away...
[21:33] <jussi01> ubottu: join #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:06]  * Myrtti looks at the kids play
[22:56] <Shizuo> Why I am forwarded to here?
[22:56] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[22:57] <LjL> you mean why aren't you just banned?
[22:57] <LjL> probably because i felt nice that day
[22:57] <Shizuo> I can't understand your questio
[22:57] <Shizuo> n
[22:58] <LjL> Shizuo: you've been removed from #ubuntu several times
[22:58] <LjL> how do you explain that?
[22:58] <Shizuo> Being a nuisance?
[22:58] <LjL> to put it mildly
[22:58] <LjL> but, how do you explain being removed *several times*?
[22:58] <Shizuo> I am mild
[22:58] <Shizuo> Several?
[22:59] <Shizuo> Persecution?
[22:59] <LjL> wrong answer
[22:59] <Shizuo> Racism?
[22:59] <LjL> wrong answer
[22:59] <Shizuo> Cookies?
[22:59] <LjL> wrong answer
[22:59] <Shizuo> Trolling?
[22:59] <LjL> RIGHT ANSWER!
[22:59] <Shizuo> OH YES
[22:59] <Shizuo> ONE MILLION DOLLARS
[22:59] <Shizuo> THX
[23:01] <LjL> so...
[23:01] <LjL> what ought to make me thing such trolling won't happen again in the future?
[23:01] <Shizuo> That's a tough question
[23:05] <Shizuo> LjL: Are you a full time ubuntu do-stuff-person?
[23:06] <LjL> hey, i asked a question first
[23:06] <LjL> wait your turn
[23:06] <Shizuo> =[
[23:06] <Shizuo> I don't know what makes you "thing"
[23:06] <Shizuo> I'll pass ;/
[23:06] <LjL> yes, it was tough
[23:06] <LjL> but now pretend that i said "think"
[23:06] <LjL> and try answering that one
[23:07] <Shizuo> Oh
[23:07] <Shizuo> Well, as with anything on life
[23:08] <Shizuo> You will never be certain about this
[23:08] <Shizuo> There will always be a risk
[23:08] <Shizuo> Tough, hug?
[23:08] <Shizuo> Hug plz
[23:08] <LjL> no thanks, i've had hugs already today
[23:08] <LjL> i'm of slow digestion
[23:08] <Shizuo> Oh, ok
[23:08] <Shizuo> LjL: Are you a full time ubuntu do-stuff-person?
[23:09] <Myrtti> what does that mean?
[23:09] <LjL> Shizuo: tough question
[23:09] <Myrtti> full time? ubuntu? do-stuff-person?
[23:09] <Shizuo> Myrtti: Does he have a job?
[23:09] <Shizuo> Myrtti: At ubuntu-related operations?
[23:09] <LjL> that's none of your business!
[23:09] <LjL> oh.
[23:09] <Shizuo> Is he a part-time voluntary?
[23:09] <Shizuo> Is he a full time voluntary?
[23:09] <Myrtti> Shizuo: what significance would it have to you?
[23:09] <Shizuo> Myrtti: Curiosity
[23:09] <Myrtti> ie. what are you aiming at?
[23:10] <Myrtti> lets take an example
[23:10] <Shizuo> Lots of people here at freenet are employees of distribs/projects/etc
[23:10]  * LjL grabs the popcorn
[23:10] <Seeker`> I wish I could have popcorn
[23:10] <Shizuo> Seeker`: Africa?
[23:11] <Seeker`> Shizuo: what?
[23:11] <Myrtti> I'm not employed by Canonical or any other distribution, but I do have a job in a company that does its operations around open source
[23:11] <Shizuo> Seeker`: Why can't you?
[23:11] <Shizuo> Myrtti: That's interesting
[23:11] <Myrtti> *still* I waste most of my waking time in IRC doing voluntary work
[23:11] <Myrtti> in *addition* to my paid work
[23:11] <Seeker`> Shizuo: various reasons
[23:12] <Myrtti> so I'm wondering, what significance would anyones job/volunteer status have to you
[23:12] <Myrtti> since it obviously shouldn't
[23:12] <LjL> Shizuo: i really need to do me a favor
[23:12] <LjL> before i might answer your very tough questions
[23:12] <LjL> will you?
[23:12] <Shizuo> Myrtti: No need to have two stones in hand, ok?
[23:13] <Shizuo> Myrtti: It was just curiosity
[23:13] <Shizuo> LjL: Hi
[23:13] <LjL> oh Shizuo, hello!
[23:13] <Myrtti> oh my, aren't we distracted today
[23:13] <Seeker`> wow, its today already?
[23:14] <LjL> Shizuo: i bet you can't count backwards from three to one, using words rather than digits, on three separate lines
[23:15] <Shizuo> LjL: Oh, you kill me
[23:15] <LjL> Shizuo: prove me wrong
[23:15] <Shizuo> That was impervious
[23:16] <Seeker`> Balrog_: how can we help you?
[23:16] <LjL> Shizuo: quick, we've got other guests in!
[23:16] <Balrog_> I think I clicked in the wrong place.
[23:16] <Shizuo> LjL: I won't troll, sorry
[23:16] <Shizuo> LjL: Not by accident, that's for sure :D
[23:17] <LjL> Shizuo: pity
[23:17] <Shizuo> =[
[23:17] <Shizuo> Anyway, I asked about your connection to Ubuntu just out of curiosity, as you're zealous
[23:17] <Shizuo> It wasn't an attempt do judge you, as mywhatever suggested
[23:18] <LjL> Shizuo: a mixture of boredom, brain damage and addiction to arguing with trolls
[23:18] <LjL> now, the answer to my question?
[23:18] <Shizuo> What question?
[23:18] <LjL> why ought i to think you won't be trolling in the future
[23:19] <Shizuo> It depends on the definition of what trolling really is
[23:19] <Shizuo> It's an overused word these days
[23:19] <Seeker`> being deliberately annoying is a good starting point
[23:19] <Shizuo> Some people call others trolls for not adhering to their ideological principles
[23:19] <Shizuo> That's very common these days
[23:20] <LjL> Shizuo, a troll as we are concerned is someone who doesn't follow
[23:20] <LjL> !etiquette > Shizuo    (Shizuo, see the private message from ubottu) this
[23:20] <LjL> of course you're familiar with it?
[23:21] <Shizuo> LjL: Lots of "respectable" regulars fail to adhere to !Attitudes, !Language, !CoC
[23:21] <LjL> Shizuo: hey, you might be right
[23:21] <Myrtti> I call a troll someone who believes IRC is a democracy and rules are subject to voting at the Athens forum or in this case any of official Ubuntu channels
[23:21] <LjL> actually
[23:21] <LjL> i think even ops...
[23:21] <LjL> even ops, sometimes, fail to adhere to some sane principles they most likely ought to
[23:21] <Shizuo> Yes, that's correct
[23:21] <LjL> like not ban people randomly in the middle of a conversation, for instance
[23:22] <Seeker`> hmm, not the best dismount ever
[23:22] <LjL> *shrug*
[23:23] <Myrtti> could we add to the channel rules that the rules aren't open to discussion at any given channel at any given time by any given people? I find it a bit tiresome that trolls come to discuss the rules at, say, #ubuntu
[23:23] <Myrtti> at, say, the day of $RELEASE
[23:23] <Myrtti> there's place, time and opportunity for that discussion
[23:24] <LjL> Myrtti: they're open to discussion here
[23:24] <Myrtti> usually, it's not #ubuntu
[23:24] <Myrtti> LjL: sure
[23:24] <LjL> it's never #ubuntu
[23:24] <LjL> don't we have that in the rules to begin with?
[23:24] <Myrtti> I really doubt it
[23:24] <Seeker`> Do we really need meta-rules?
[23:24] <LjL> then you can most certainly blame me for not adding it when we revamped them
[23:25] <LjL> Seeker`: yes, not discussing bans and rules aside from in this channel is pretty basic really
[23:25] <Myrtti> Seeker`: there should be a disclaimer on them about where to address the possible requests of editing and change
[23:25] <Seeker`> if you try and make the rules all-encompassing then people will just argue that  anything not stated in the rules is allowed
[23:26] <Myrtti> hm
[23:26] <LjL> that's not trying to make them all-encompassing though
[23:26] <Seeker`> because it isn't explicitly disallowed
[23:26] <LjL> although
[23:26] <Seeker`> LjL: it seems to be heading that way
[23:26] <LjL> it's probably worth adding it as rule for -offtopic but not for #ubuntu
[23:26] <LjL> in #ubuntu it's already implicitely a rule
[23:26] <LjL> since anything that's not support is disallowed
[23:26] <Seeker`> the only rule that should be needed is "Don't be stupid"
[23:26] <Myrtti> "DON'T BE A DICK"
[23:27] <Seeker`> or "Don't do anything the ops do not consider to be appropriate behaviour for this channel"
[23:27] <Seeker`> then if someone does something wrong, it is automatically covered by the rules
[23:28] <LjL> that's almost in there
[23:28] <Myrtti> the content suitable for this channel is on operator discretion (whatever the word is) and not necessarily limited by or to the rules
[23:28] <LjL> we added something very much like that during the revamping
[23:28] <Seeker`> but you shouldn't really need anything extra
[23:29] <Seeker`> common sense should work
[23:29] <LjL> Seeker`: wake up, you're dreaming
[23:29] <Myrtti> Seeker`: show me a troll with common sense, and I'll show you a flying cow
[23:29] <Seeker`> I mean common sense on our part
[23:29] <LjL> Seeker`: wake up, you're dreaming
[23:29] <Myrtti> lol
[23:29] <Myrtti> common sense
[23:29] <Myrtti> I think I left mine at the door when Umakant first appeared
[23:30] <Myrtti> or atleast my sensibilities
[23:30] <LjL> i gave my common sense to this fellow - out of pity
[23:30] <LjL> [00:29:24] --> bosco_ has joined this channel (n=bosco@<IP_ADDRESS>).
[23:30] <LjL> [00:29:39] <bosco_> bestbot
[23:30] <LjL> [00:29:39] <BestBot> I don't understand you, bosco_. Try asking me what's the best X, or telling me that X is the best Y
[23:30] <LjL> [00:29:50] <bosco_> best x
[23:30] <LjL> [00:29:54] <bosco_> best X
[23:30] <LjL> [00:30:05] <bosco_> BestBot, best X
[23:30] <LjL> [00:30:06] <BestBot> I don't understand you, bosco_. Try asking me what's the best X, or telling me that X is the best Y
[23:30] <Seeker`> if someone wants to be irritating they will, no matter what the rules are; by explicitly stating some things are against the rules, you are implicity allowing everything else (which is how most legal systems seem to work)
[23:31] <Seeker`> whereas on IRC this isn't the case
[23:31] <LjL> ya know what yer probblim ish
[23:31] <LjL> i was having FUN with that troll
[23:31] <LjL> now you're taking it seriously!
[23:32] <Seeker`> LjL: you may have been having fun with that troll
[23:32] <Seeker`> but in general, people get too angry in this channel with trolls
[23:32] <Seeker`> and spend waaaaaaaay too much time going round in circles with them
[23:33] <Seeker`> I dont think that Shizuo seriously thought they would be unbanned
[23:33] <LjL> i hope not
[23:33] <LjL> he seemed smarter than that
[23:34] <Seeker`> exactly
[23:34] <Seeker`> most trolls aren't
[23:34] <Myrtti> he was just playing around and LjL played with him
[23:34] <LjL> you see Seeker`
[23:34] <Myrtti> but I know what you refer with spending time going round in circles
[23:34] <LjL> when a troll comes to this channel
[23:34] <LjL> either you ignore them, if you're sane
[23:34] <Myrtti> and in my opinion, we cannot just tell them to GTFO
[23:34] <LjL> or you play with them, if you're insane
[23:34] <LjL> or you get angry at them, if you're a normal person
[23:35] <LjL> because it's an outlet
[23:35] <Seeker`> but in here people don't get angry
[23:35] <Seeker`> they just fume
[23:35] <Seeker`> because they aren't really allowed to get properly angry
[23:36] <LjL> that's why i attempt to get them to say "three, two, one" and then ban them.
[23:36] <Seeker`> because ops can't be seen to be getting angry like that
[23:36] <Seeker`> LjL: fine, you may play with them, treat it as a joke, but not everyone does
[23:36]  * Myrtti huggles LjL
[23:37] <LjL> Seeker`: discussing this is useless really
[23:37] <LjL> there's only one way not to make that happen
[23:37] <LjL> do like nalioth does, ban them.
[23:37] <LjL> when you think you've had enough of a no-point conversation between an op and someone, ban them.
[23:37] <LjL> (the op, or the someone? that's up to you i guess)
[23:37] <Seeker`> I would if I could
[23:37] <LjL> (both if you're unsure)
[23:38] <LjL> Seeker`: then just say "quit it or i'll show you a photo of mneptok"
[23:38] <LjL> it works
[23:39] <Myrtti> right, I think I'm done for today
[23:39] <Myrtti> nini kids
[23:39] <Seeker`> nini Myrtti
[23:39] <Seeker`> have a good flight if i don't catch you before you go
[23:40] <Seeker`> LjL: :P Not entirely convinced
[23:41] <LjL> Seeker`: i'm just saying that i believe ops will keep arguing with trolls no matter how much you might keep saying it's not good
[23:42] <LjL> Seeker`: and if you want to stop that, say so while it's happening
[23:42] <LjL> though you probably won't be liked if you do
[23:42] <Seeker`> I have mentioned several times in discussions that I think they have gone past the point of being useful
[23:42] <Seeker`> and it just gets ignored
[23:47] <Seeker`> LjL: it doesn't work when the only people that can do anything are the ones that are currently having the argument
[23:47] <LjL> that's the funny part innit
[23:48] <Seeker`> because by the time it gets in here the person they are discussing it with already has a "history" with the person in question
[23:49] <Seeker`> I just reckon there is a better way of doing things


[00:38] <bazhang> k1l, free speech bro!
[00:39] <k1l> i guess that will be the next "argument" yes :/
[00:47] <bazhang> oh he has two clients
[00:48] <k1l> yes
 koffeinfriedhof: red hat ubuntu
[19:50] <k1l_> pippasam1> help my red hat ubuntu is broken
[19:51] <k1l_> next users starting with it
 link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szpt2cldlII the antisemitic spammer again
[23:26] <elky> it's the antisemite
[23:27] <phunyguy> oh


[03:05] <mwhudson> RAOF: would it be possible for you to release livecd-rootfs today?
[04:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rustc [s390x] (eoan-proposed/universe) [1.33.0+dfsg1+llvm-1~exp1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
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[05:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rustc [amd64] (eoan-proposed) [1.33.0+dfsg1+llvm-1~exp1ubuntu1]
[05:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rustc [ppc64el] (eoan-proposed) [1.33.0+dfsg1+llvm-1~exp1ubuntu1]
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[05:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rustc [s390x] (eoan-proposed) [1.33.0+dfsg1+llvm-1~exp1ubuntu1]
[06:19] <RAOF> mwhudson: Oooh, thanks for the reminder. I'll do that once I get back to my machine with the LP keys.
[08:49] <RAOF> mwhudson: sorry, I appear to have been rather waylaid by children.
[09:34] <mwhudson> RAOF: that happens
[09:47] <oSoMoN> I sponsored marcustomlinson's upload of libreoffice{,-l10n} 6.1.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> to cosmic-proposed about an hour ago, and the upload was successful, but it hasn't appeared in the unapproved queue yet, should I wait longer or upload again?
[09:48] <oSoMoN> (haven't gotten an e-mail to notify that the upload was rejected, either)
[09:51] <cjwatson> 2019-05-13 08:40:54 INFO        GPG verification of /srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-queue/incoming/upload-ftp-20190513-084005-016192/ubuntu/libreoffice_6.1.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_source.changes failed: Verification failed 3 times: ['GPG key D328D72318ACE6C7 not found due to a server or network failure.', 'GPG key D328D72318ACE6C7 not found due to a server or network failure.', 'GPG key D328D72318ACE6C7 ...
[09:52] <cjwatson> ... not found due to a server or network failure.']
[09:52] <cjwatson> oSoMoN: keyserver flakiness, reupload.  (Also you probably wanted #launchpad for this kind of thing)
[10:09] <oSoMoN> cjwatson, thanks
[10:30] <LocutusOfBorg> can we please kick dleyna-server out from release pocket to see if we can move further with upnp transition?
[10:30] <LocutusOfBorg> (this has been discussed on -devel channel some minutes ago)
[10:31] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, server is for sure good?
[10:31] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, also I'm archive admin I was going to handle renderer...
[10:32] <vorlon> seb128: demoting dleyna-renderer to -proposed doesn't exactly work, britney pushed it right back in
[10:33] <seb128> vorlon, unless you block-proposed it?
[10:33] <vorlon> seb128: you could block-proposed it... but it did already migrate
[10:33] <seb128> vorlon, I was proposed to demote-to-proposed with a block bug
[10:33] <vorlon> the block bug doesn't appear to have taken effect
[10:33] <seb128> proposing
[10:34] <seb128> vorlon, that was not done yet?
[10:34] <seb128> arg
[10:34] <seb128> sorry, was looking at the wrong place
[10:34] <seb128> I think I opened the bug too late :/
[10:35]  * seb128 tries again
[10:41] <LocutusOfBorg> he tried to hard that he quit...
[11:01] <cpaelzer> thanks sil2100 for releasing the qemu SRU
[11:01] <cpaelzer> ddstreet: ^^
[11:10] <sil2100> o/
[11:10] <sil2100> yw
[12:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kbd [source] (disco-proposed) [2.0.4-4ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[12:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kbd [source] (cosmic-proposed) [2.0.4-2ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[12:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kbd [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.0.4-2ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[12:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kbd [source] (xenial-proposed) [1.15.5-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[13:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-calendar [source] (disco-proposed) [3.32.2-1~ubuntu19.04.1]
[13:25] <tkamppeter> infinity, sil2100, on Friday I have added an autopkg test fix to the network-manager Bionic SRU for bug 1809132, bug  942856, bug 1754671 and tjaalton told me that he accepts this addition without full re-testing. He had accepted it to -proposed on Friday and asked me to ask the Monday's SRU team to pass it through to -updates after it having built. Could you check? Thanks.
[13:25] <ubot5`> bug 1809132 in network-manager (Ubuntu Bionic) "Updated bionic to the current 1.10 stable version" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1809132
[13:26] <ubot5`> bug 942856 in NetworkManager "NetworkManager does not support AES-encrypted private keys for WPA 802.1x authentication" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942856
[13:26] <ubot5`> bug 1754671 in systemd (Ubuntu Bionic) "Full-tunnel VPN DNS leakage regression" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754671
[13:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libreoffice (cosmic-proposed/main) [1:6.1.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 1:6.1.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[13:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libreoffice-l10n (cosmic-proposed/main) [1:6.1.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 1:6.1.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (ubuntu-desktop)
[13:35] <sil2100> tkamppeter: looking
[13:35] <ddstreet> tkamppeter looks like you added test fix to n-m for lp #1825946 but there is no LP: # reference in the changelog to that bug, i can handle marking the bug for bionic, can you add the test fix to xenial as well please?
[13:35] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1825946 in network-manager (Ubuntu Bionic) "'nm' autopkgtest fails due to GI stderr output" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1825946
[13:40] <ddstreet> tkamppeter i put you on the 'assigned to' for Xenial for that bug, but feel free to remove yourself if you dont have time to apply the test fix to x
[13:41] <tkamppeter> ddstreet, when discussing this on Friday with tjaalton and Laney on #ubuntu-devel, he did not tell me that this bug report exists about this problem. I got simply a proposed fix and made a debdiff from it.
[13:42] <tkamppeter> ddstreet, I can generally only create a debdiff, not actually upload nm.
[13:43] <ddstreet> tkamppeter ah ok, i can upload to x then
[13:55] <tkamppeter> OK.
[14:02] <sil2100> tkamppeter: what about LP: #1754671 ? You mention this needs an additional systemd change - does having it without the additional systemd fix cause any issues?
[14:02] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1754671 in systemd (Ubuntu Bionic) "Full-tunnel VPN DNS leakage regression" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754671
[14:06] <tkamppeter> sil2100, with the systemd fix missing bug 1754671 is simply not fixed, still showing the described issue, but this should not stop us from already putting network-manager into -updates, as the NM SRU fixes the two other bugs and does not cause any known regressions.
[14:06] <ubot5`> bug 1754671 in systemd (Ubuntu Bionic) "Full-tunnel VPN DNS leakage regression" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754671
[14:07] <tkamppeter> So we need not to wait for systemd to be able to land nm in -updates.
[14:08] <sil2100> tkamppeter: ok
[18:46] <bdmurray> sil2100: I'm hoping we could release ubuntu-release-upgrader a bit early
[18:46] <bdmurray> sil2100: I've verified all the bugs and fixing the snap refresh one soonest would be good
[18:46] <bdmurray> I've also another SRU in the queue to help with automatic upgrade testing.
[18:52] <sil2100> bdmurray: ok, let me look at it, but releasing early seems like a good choice
[18:53] <bdmurray> thanks for looking!
[19:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: neutron (bionic-proposed/main) [2:12.0.5-0ubuntu4 => 2:12.0.5-0ubuntu5] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[23:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-software (disco-proposed/main) [3.30.6-2ubuntu4 => 3.30.6-2ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (ubuntu-desktop)


[12:47] <Teduardo> anybody know what the story is when a downstream node keeps saying this over and over?
[12:47] <Teduardo> 2013-04-30 08:46:33,297: juju.agents.provision@ERROR: Cannot get machine list
[12:47] <Teduardo> Traceback (most recent call last):
[12:47] <Teduardo>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/juju/agents/provision.py", line 175, in process_machines
[12:47] <Teduardo>     provider_machines = yield self.provider.get_machines()
[12:47] <Teduardo> ProviderInteractionError: Unexpected TimeoutError interacting with provider: User timeout caused connection failure.
[19:49] <Dr{Who}> http://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/quantal/juju-quick-start.html does not seem to indicate when / how to install juju itself.
[19:56] <mwhudson> Dr{Who}: it sort of does, enable the ppa:juju/pkgs ppa and apt-get install juju
[19:56] <mwhudson> i'm not sure you actually need to enable the ppa if you're on a newish ubuntu though
[20:12] <Dr{Who}> k will try that out.
[20:26] <Dr{Who}> hmm. Just found virtual-maas maybe I should try that as I am doing all my tests with minimal hardware. Can I convert my maas box to virtual-maas by just installing it?
[20:55] <TheChistoso|2> hello -- when i run "juju status" i get: error: file 'provider-state' not found -- have i misconfigured something?
[22:06] <TheChistoso|2> anybody available to help w/ a maas question?
[22:20] <Dr{Who}> hmm. ok juju wont run because maas is not happy yet. '409 CONFLICT' from what I can tell this old error is because MAAS cant start an instance. Back to the original problem. I dont have hardware just virtual machines in vmware. Maybe virtual-maas is a better place to start my testing?
[23:17] <mwhudson> bigjools: i know i've asked this at least three times now but re: disk image (as opposed to d-i) support for maas is there anything i can subscribe to to find out progress?
[23:17] <mwhudson> or even help with?
[23:37]  * bigjools points mwhudson at roaksoax
[23:38] <mwhudson> in other news, strict host key checking and maas is an annoying combination
[23:38] <bigjools> mwhudson: what's up?
[23:39] <mwhudson> nothing deep :)
[23:39] <mwhudson> just having to run ssh-keygen -R a lot
[23:39] <mwhudson> i guess i should learn me some ssh config and turn it off for those hosts
[23:40] <bigjools> mwhudson: ah ISWYM


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[08:17] <ginggs> would someone please 'force-badtest ruby-declarative/0.0.10-1' ?  it seems to have regressed in release
[09:01] <locutus_> doko, can you please try to accept php-guzzlehttp-promises from queue? it is needed for symfony, but I don't know if the mismatched tarball will be ok or not...
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[12:08] <ahasenack> hi release team, the mysql8 tests seem to take too long in arm* and hit a timeout: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/m/mysql-8.0/focal/arm64 and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:08] <ahasenack> what's the solution here?
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[17:30] <ginggs> would someone please 'force-badtest ruby-declarative/0.0.10-1' ?  it seems to have regressed in release
[17:31] <ginggs> would someone please 'force-badtest psi4/1:1.3.2-3build1/i386' ?
[18:03] <doko> vorlon: would you be willing to ignore every autopkg test for python3-defaults, dropping python3.7? the reason I'm asking is that everything else is still tested with 3.7, which we don't care about anymore
[18:03] <doko> once that migrates, everything is tested with 3.8 only
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[18:47] <vorlon> ginggs: psi4/all/i386 badtested, sorry for missing it before
[18:47] <ginggs> vorlon: thanks!
[18:47] <vorlon> and hinting ruby-declarative now also
[18:48] <vorlon> doko: I'm not sure what you're asking for wrt python3-defaults ignoring.  The tests seem to be mostly passing, are you asking to not wait for test results?
[18:49] <doko> vorlon: ys
[18:50] <vorlon> doko: should we also dump the tests from the queue, so that they're not clogging up the runners running tests whose results we don't care about?
[18:50] <doko> we'll have a python3-defaults version bump anyway later, so we'll re-run these tests
[18:50] <doko> yes, dump these would be fine
[18:52] <vorlon> doko: and what's the impact to other reverse-dependencies that are not python3-defaults by letting this in?  I think you mentioned some packages with tests now failing when dropping python3.7 from supported?
[18:52] <vorlon> so if we don't track those down now there will be knock-on effects for other things migrating
[18:52] <vorlon> (not necessarily a blocker, I just want to be completely clear about the impact)
[18:52] <doko> these would be triggered by the packages itself, not passing their own autopkg tests
[18:53] <vorlon> or by other dependencies of those packages
[18:53] <doko> but again, I'm fine to re-upload python3-defaults, once the package migrated
[18:53] <doko> or wait for the version bump
[18:54] <vorlon> ok
[18:54] <doko> 3.8.3 will be next week, or the next week
[18:54] <doko> 2.8.2 even
[18:55] <doko> 3.8.2 even
[18:55] <vorlon> ok, sounds like a plan then
[19:00] <doko> vorlon: ok what? upload immediatly or after the version bump?
[19:00] <vorlon> doko: are you suggesting a second upload *just* to re-trigger the tests?  Please not that
[19:02] <doko> vorlon: as long as you're ok to do that with the version bumo, no.
[19:03] <doko> bump
[19:03] <vorlon> doko: yeah, if there's another upload coming anyway next week, please don't do a reupload just for this
[19:03] <doko> sure
[19:29] <vorlon> Laney: so I see you reset-test'ed colord/i386, which is fine, but I've been unable to reproduce the failure locally
[19:32] <ddstreet> infinity lp shows Disco as still 'supported', is that intentional for some reason, or just not updated yet? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/disco/
[19:57] <vorlon> ddstreet: there is some cleanup yet to be done before we can close the archive in launchpad; infinity and apw know the details
[20:20] <apw> vorlon: cleaning NBS as far as I recall
[20:21] <apw> particularly of kernels which are huge
[20:21] <vorlon> apw: and did you or infinity do any particular work on scripting this?  Should I jfdi :)
[20:22] <apw> vorlon: I never actually did it, not could I say for sure that is the extent of it
[20:23] <vorlon> well NBS removals are slow
[20:23] <vorlon> but the scripting shouldn't be difficult
[20:24] <seb128> vorlon, @colord, the test depends on gnome-session which isn't build anymore on i386, how can it work for you?
[20:25] <vorlon> seb128: gnome-session is arch: all so would be /expected/ to be cross-installed, except it doesn't have the Multi-Arch: foreign flag set, so it /wouldn't/ install, so I really have no idea how it's working locally
[20:27] <seb128> vorlon, hum, I wonder if gnome-session arch:all is buggy, it deoends on gnome-session-bin which is an arch: any binary from the same source
[20:28] <seb128> or at least not compatible with a partial archive right?
[21:12] <vorlon> seb128: I suspect that gnome-session being declared Multi-Arch: foreign is probably fine because all the "interfaces" that gnome-session provides to its reverse-dependencies involve an exec() barrier; but it's also not hugely important
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[06:25] <Mic> need help installing a server image in ubuntu server 10.04, the server image is a tar file with 11 vmdk files and a nvram file
[13:51] <mgariepy> good morning everyone


[07:30] <viveksri15> hi all.
[07:31] <viveksri15> i wanted to get involved in documentation project
[07:31] <viveksri15> I want to crosscheck other documents for errors
[07:31] <viveksri15> any help how and where to start
[07:32] <viveksri15> ?
[07:35] <viveksri15> any one here?
[08:19] <Admiral_Chicago> j1mc: are we doing the Customizing Desktop type section?
[08:20] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll be starting multimedia section now
[08:22] <j1mc> Admiral_Chicago: not sure what you mean about the Customizing Desktop section.
[08:22] <Admiral_Chicago> like a section devoted to multiple desktops, changing themes, etc
[08:23] <j1mc> let's wait on that to see what if anything emerges that will help with themes and the like.
[08:23] <j1mc> ... installing themes.
[08:23] <j1mc> sound good?
[08:23] <Admiral_Chicago> oh yea
[08:24] <Admiral_Chicago> i remember there was some talk about installing from tarball and the lik
[08:24] <Admiral_Chicago> sounds good.
[09:11] <j1mc> hello.  when i attempt to validate the ubuntu-doc trunk after making a few changes, i get the following: http://pastebin.ca/567057
[09:12] <j1mc> i'd like to submit a patch for ubuntu-docs.  could someone let me know what that means, and if i should be concerned?
[09:17] <j1mc> nm, i needed to install libxml2-utils.