[01:41] <okabi> Who do I tell when software in the repository needs updating?
[01:42] <Unit193> You may be able to file a bug and request it be updated, but what application?
[01:42] <Unit193> Is it updated in Debian testing or unstable?  Are there some additional features you requre?
[01:43] <okabi> I would like Claws-Mail to be updated to the latest version is all.
[01:43] <Unit193> Are there any additional features or bug fixes that would be of help?
[01:44] <okabi> Yes. I'm unable to install plugins with the current version because they're all made for the latest version.
[01:46] <okabi> Might it be possible to upgrade my version of the software to the latest through command line?
[01:48] <Unit193> okabi: Ok, so Debian has 3.9.1  (http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/claws-mail.html) and Ubuntu only has 3.8.1 (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/claws-mail), since there is no cruft in the Ubuntu version, it should in theory auto-sync to Ubuntu Saucy.  I'm guessing waiting for the next release isn't preferred?
[01:50] <Unit193> !syncrequest
[01:50] <Unit193> !sru
[01:53] <okabi> Auto-sync?
[01:53] <okabi> The debian and ubuntu repositories are tied to eachother?
[01:54] <Unit193> Yeah, Ubuntu pulls packages from Debian, it's based on Debian.
[01:56] <okabi> So, how long is the wait before it updates according to changes in Debian's?
[01:56] <phillw> okabi: it is marked as low priority
[01:56] <Unit193> Debian testing has it, so in theory it should just sync.
[01:57] <phillw> it will need someone from debian to sponsor the upgrade
[01:57] <okabi> Mmm. Well, thanks for all the replies, but I must be going now.
[01:58] <okabi> And Unit193 said it was already the latest version.
[01:58] <phillw> okabi: Ok, so Debian has 3.9.1  (http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/claws-mail.html) and Ubuntu only has 3.8.1
[01:58] <phillw> did he???
[01:58] <okabi> :3
[01:59] <okabi> Terminator: ILL BE BACK
[02:03] <phillw> Unit193: I take it, you mean sid? http://packages.debian.org/sid/claws-mail
[02:04] <Unit193> I mean it how?
[02:04] <phillw> which debian has 3.9.1 :)
[02:05] <Unit193> Look http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/claws-mail.html and you'll see testing and unstable.
[02:06] <n-iCe> System:    Host ubuntu Kernel 3.8.0-24-generic x86_64 (64 bit)
[02:06] <n-iCe>            Desktop LXDE (Openbox 3.5.0) Distro Ubuntu 13.04 raring
[02:06] <n-iCe> Machine:   System Sony product VGN-CS170FJ version R5632613
[02:06] <n-iCe>            Mobo Sony model VAIO Bios INSYDE version R0260Q2 date 09/19/2008
[02:06] <n-iCe> CPU:       Dual core Intel Core2 Duo CPU P8400 (-MCP-) cache 3072 KB flags (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 ssse3 vmx)
[02:06] <n-iCe>            Clock Speeds: 1: 800.00 MHz 2: 2267.00 MHz
[02:06] <n-iCe> Graphics:  Card: Intel Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller
[02:06] <n-iCe>            X.Org 1.13.3 drivers intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:06] <n-iCe>            GLX Renderer Mesa DRI Mobile Intel GM45 Express Chipset GLX Version 2.1 Mesa 9.1.1
[02:06] <n-iCe> Audio:     Card: Intel 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller driver snd_hda_intel
[02:07] <n-iCe>            Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ver k3.8.0-24-generic
[02:07] <n-iCe> Network:   Card-1: Intel WiFi Link 5100 driver iwlwifi
[02:07] <n-iCe>            IF: wlan0 state up mac <filter>
[02:07] <phillw> Unit193: so, testing and unstable are the same set. If some one sponsors it to stable, then it can be added to ubuntu repos.
[02:07] <n-iCe>            Card-2: Marvell 88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller driver sky2
[02:07] <n-iCe>            IF: eth0 state down mac <filter>
[02:07] <n-iCe> Drives:    HDD Total Size: 320.1GB (6.5% used) 1: id /dev/sda model TOSHIBA_MK3252GS size 320.1GB
[02:07] <n-iCe> Partition: ID: / size 290G used 20G (8%) fs ext4 ID: swap-1 size 4.15GB used 0.00GB (0%) fs swap
[02:07] <n-iCe> RAID:      No RAID devices detected - /proc/mdstat and md_mod kernel raid module present
[02:07] <n-iCe> Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu 49.0C mobo N/A
[02:07] <Unit193> n-iCe: Don't spam.
[02:07] <n-iCe>            Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu N/A
[02:07] <n-iCe> Info:      Processes 164 Uptime 3:18 Memory 906.5/3823.7MB Client Irssi 0.8.15 inxi 1.8.4
[02:07] <Unit193> !pastebin
[02:07] <phillw> !flood | n-iCe
[02:07] <n-iCe> Damn, wrong channel!!!
[02:07]  * n-iCe kills hiself
[02:07] <n-iCe> him
[02:07] <n-iCe> was the damn inxi, sorry
[02:07] <Unit193> Your inxi is outdated.
[02:07]  * n-iCe cries
[02:08] <Unit193> phillw: No, you may want to read up on the process.
[02:10] <phillw> Unit193: I'm not too worried about about claws. I was only saying that the version in testing & unstable need a sponsor top have a sponsor to have it moved from there to 'stable'/
[02:10] <Unit193> phillw: No.
[02:11] <phillw> oh?? well, I learn something new, usually contradictary, every time I ask about debian repos and ubuntu ones.
[02:11] <Unit193> (Not exactly, but meh.)
[02:13] <phillw> Unit193: the basics I was told was a new a version would be expected to be in the debian stable area before ubuntu would consider an update to theirs.
[02:15] <phillw> I can ask for a bug fix to be pulled in, provided I have a darn good reason. An upgrade of functions and new version number are pretty much exempt from my getting that approved unless it was proven to be a urgent / critical bug.
[02:18] <phillw> I do not see it worth my asking for such an exemption of a new version of claws that is still in debian-unstable and debian-testing. It is better to allow debian to follow through the testing cycle.
[02:26] <phillw> Unit193: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule date is 20th June. Unless there is a flavour who really require it as a freeze exception, the chances of being accepted are very low.
[02:27] <Unit193> I'm not really interested...
[02:27] <Unit193> And as far as I know not exactly...
[02:28] <Unit193> But this is all rather non-related to support.
[02:28] <phillw> Unit193: it was only FYI, I'm happy to explain it to the OP. But If I'm not about, you have the links to explain his question
[02:29] <Unit193> But it's not quite right, ANYWAY...
[02:30] <phillw> Unit193: I'm always willing to learn :)
[03:58] <cerebrate> any traces of lxle's lxle dev.?
[04:18] <phillw> cerebrate: I do chat to him, you can contact him via the site. Is there an immediate problem with the last release?
[05:58] <n-iCe> hi
[05:58] <Unit193> You update your inxi? ;)
[06:00] <n-iCe> last version
[06:00] <n-iCe> according to https://code.google.com/p/inxi/
[06:00] <Unit193> 1.9.7, yep.
[06:00] <n-iCe> what was mine?
[06:01] <n-iCe> inxi~1.8.4
[06:04] <n-iCe> Where did you get the new inxi Unit193
[06:05] <Unit193> From there.  (Then uploaded to ppa and personal repo. :P )
[06:05] <Unit193> You should be able to inxi -U it, though.
[06:06] <n-iCe> awesome! Successfully updated to svn server version: 1.9.7
[06:07] <phillw> wb n-iCe :)
[06:07] <n-iCe> thanks, that was easy.
[06:07] <phillw> I'm on offtopic :)
[06:45] <n-iCe> phillw: #lubuntu-offtopic ?
[06:48] <phillw> n-iCe: yup
[07:54] <Redouane> Hello, I want to use Linux on my machine and I need an advice witch distribution should I use
[07:55] <Redouane> I'v an acer Aspire 5715 Z and I don't now which is better Ubuntu or Lubuntu
[07:55] <Redouane> Take note that its the first time I use Linux
[07:56] <n-iCe> hi
[07:56] <n-iCe> depends
[07:56] <n-iCe> lubuntu is lighter
[07:57] <n-iCe> Ubuntu 13.04 Review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZin1_iPv0E
[07:57] <n-iCe> Lubuntu 13.04 Review http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcWHQncUeV4
[07:57] <Redouane> so does this affect in any case the use of  my laptop
[07:58] <n-iCe> performance
[07:58] <n-iCe> we just say ubuntu is heavier
[07:58] <n-iCe> lubuntu use lxde which is a lighter desktop environment
[08:03] <Redouane> Sorry but which one do you advice me to use?
[08:03] <Redouane> my laptop is an acer aspire 5715 Z
[09:34] <mikael_> salut a tous
[09:34] <mikael_> FR  ?
[13:04] <woshty> wxl: Ok, took a look at the bug reporting link you posted yesterday. Did you post that to tell me how to post a bug to get that "System program problem detected" dialog to be more usable? Or for me to understand what it wants to report?
[16:25] <wxl> woshty: if you just proceed there will be an option to show more detail.
[19:28] <joossee> hey guys wondering if anyone has a second to answer a question aboutencrypted boot stick? Installer exits afteer trying to create swappartitionin encrypted /mapper/ device?
[19:28] <joossee> 13.04
[19:28] <joossee> also if anyone has a new spacebar that would be great
[19:29] <joossee> the error is 'error security hole, swap partition is not encrypted and your data may not be protected, exiting installer'
[19:30] <holstein> a new spacebar?
[19:31] <joossee> ya this one is notverygood :)
[19:31] <holstein> joossee: i dont see that as an error.. thats just saying the swap is not encrypted
[19:31] <holstein> what are you trying to do?
[19:31] <joossee> ya but i am spcifically creating the swap partition in the "physically encrypted volume|
[19:31] <holstein> sure.. why?
[19:31] <holstein> what are you trying to do?
[19:31] <joossee> short aqnswer: encrypted bootstick
[19:31] <joossee> 64gb
[19:32] <Unit193> And it's not an option to create a normal one with a trucrypt "volume" to store the files that need encrypted?
[19:32] <joossee> insufficient formy purposes
[19:33] <holstein> thats what i have always done.. the truecrpyt thing
[19:33] <joossee> im running off lubuntu 12 in the exact same config. 13.04  is different
[19:33] <Unit193> holstein: Their .bin?
[19:33] <holstein> i would look at something made for that purpose
[19:33] <Unit193> Ah, well that's annoying.
[19:34] <joossee> how bout we just answerlubuntu questions instead of plugging (awesome) third party software lololol
[19:34] <holstein> joossee: sure.. enjoy! and good luck :)
[19:34] <joossee> fudge it ill go give it another go. just annoying
[19:34] <holstein> joossee: might want to try #ubuntu or a security channel.. nothing about lubuntu is specifically designed to meet the needs you have, though, im sure you can get it working with a little patience
[19:38] <holstein> joossee: this was choosing full disk encryption from the installer? or was that an option?
[19:48] <joossee> i chose the manual partitioning option and then laid out all the necessary ones, plus /boot. now i need to encrypt system / and swap
[19:49] <joossee> but g2g thx for helpbbl
[20:33] <n-iCe> guys I have .mp3 I use braser otu burn a data cd for mp3 music cd
[20:33] <n-iCe> but nothing recognize it any idea?
[20:33] <holstein> n-iCe: mp3 music CD's are tricky
[20:34] <holstein> n-iCe: in theory, any mp3 cd player like that should just read it if you make a data CD and fill it with mp3's
[20:34] <n-iCe> I did
[20:34] <n-iCe> and does not work
[20:34] <n-iCe> not even the pc recognize the cds now
[20:34] <holstein> n-iCe: doesnt have to work that way, and it would be *anything*
[20:34] <holstein> n-iCe: seems like a nice plausible place for you to start is the media
[20:34] <holstein> the burnable discs
[20:35] <n-iCe> what do you mean
[20:35] <holstein> sounds like thay are bad.. or not getting burned properly
[20:35] <n-iCe> yeah, but why
[20:35] <holstein> n-iCe: again.. could be anything
[20:35] <n-iCe> cds are ok, since I have burned normal music cds
[20:35] <holstein> i would start by trying another CD
[20:35] <holstein> n-iCe: try burning an audio cd with the same media
[20:35] <n-iCe> tried 4 now
[20:35] <n-iCe> I did as a cd media
[20:35] <n-iCe> not data
[20:35] <holstein> n-iCe: 4 audio cd's? or mp3 data cd?
[20:35] <n-iCe> and worked
[20:36] <n-iCe> holstein: 4 mp3s one audio cd
[20:36] <holstein> n-iCe: ok.. so do *any* data cd's you make show up? on the computer?
[20:36] <n-iCe> no
[20:36] <n-iCe> is like I don't insert it
[20:37] <holstein> n-iCe: id say its something to do with the way you are making the disc.. not closing it.. or "finalizing"
[20:37] <holstein> i would just try other methods
[20:37] <holstein> it'll be matter of trial and error to some degree, til you make something that everything can mount
[20:37] <n-iCe> where can I mount the cd
[20:37] <n-iCe> /media/cdrom ?
[20:37] <holstein> n-iCe: literally anywhere you like.. but you know thats not the issue, correct?
[20:38] <holstein> n-iCe: when you put in other data cd's, they just mount, correct?
[20:38] <n-iCe> right
[20:38] <holstein> n-iCe: so, its not an issue of "computer not mounting properly made data CD"
[20:38] <holstein> its mre likely "improperly mae data CD not mounting due to being made improperly"
[20:38] <n-iCe> nice@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount /dev/cdrom/ /mnt/nice
[20:38] <n-iCe> mount: block device /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
[20:38] <holstein> i would assume the later, and work from there
[20:39] <n-iCe> the music is in there
[20:39] <n-iCe> in the cd
[20:39] <n-iCe> just did ls
[20:39] <holstein> n-iCe: so, you can mount it now?
[20:39] <n-iCe> using mount, yes
[20:39] <holstein> ok.. still, i would look at the method you are makind the disc
[20:39] <n-iCe> usign brasero
[20:39] <holstein> the players dont have to read the disc you make
[20:40] <holstein> n-iCe: sure.. use different settings there.. use something different than brasero
[20:40] <holstein> leave the session open.. close it.. finalize it.. etc.. experiment
[20:40] <n-iCe> but what can I make with those cs
[20:41] <holstein> cs?
[20:41] <n-iCe> cds
[20:41] <holstein> n-iCe: i would try brasero, exploring the options.. then move on to xfburn.. i like k3b a lot, and usually just install it first thing
[20:43] <n-iCe> ok
[20:43] <n-iCe> but, can I change the cd properties or somethign to make it readable in a mp3 player?
[20:44] <holstein> n-iCe: thats the idea
[20:44] <holstein> n-iCe: what settings and media the player need are really on a case by case basis
[20:45] <n-iCe> uhm
[20:45] <n-iCe> I think I don't understand, I have already the CD's cds have the music mp3 files inside, I just can play them.
[20:45] <holstein> n-iCe: the player.. its proprietary, and uses what it'll use.. what works for me in my car might not work for you player
[20:45] <holstein> n-iCe: what the computer can read/mount may not be readable in any of them
[20:46] <holstein> n-iCe: the media can be not readable my your specific player
[20:46] <holstein> the specific media type you have
[20:46] <holstein> you can try different options in the burning process.. i would try closing the data session..
[20:47] <holstein> "allow no more writing"
[20:47] <holstein> try leaving it open...
[20:47] <holstein> try different types of cdr's
[20:47] <n-iCe> damn
[20:47] <n-iCe> that sucks
[20:48] <n-iCe> haha
[21:02] <ValDuare> hey guys I'm running an ubuntu base install with just xorg and open box pretty much. Im trying to use xset to stop the display from turning off etc. but it says xset unable to open display
[21:02] <ValDuare> what other options do I have for keeping the display on
[21:03] <Unit193> Unable to open display?  Can you give the output of echo $DISPLAY ?
[21:03] <Unit193> ps aux | grep auth | sed -n 's/.*X\ \(.*\)\ -core.*/\1/p'   too if you're using lightdm.
[21:04] <ValDuare> [1] 1188
[21:04] <ValDuare> atm I just have open box and xorg pretty much installed on a ubuntu base
[21:04] <ValDuare> no lubuntu or anything
[21:05] <Unit193> That's the output from what?  Anywho, seems like the display env var may be off.  You can try xfce4-power-manager I'd think.
[21:07] <ValDuare> i just tried setterm -blank 0 | setterm -powerdown 0 | setterm -powersave off
[21:07] <ValDuare> we'll see how that works
[21:09] <Unit193> Aha, alright.
[21:10] <ValDuare> if it works I guess add it to autostart.sh?
[21:10] <ValDuare> or do you know if setterm is persistent?
[21:42] <billkd> I'm trying to set up Gnu/Linux on a low hard disk storage and low memory system(512MB RAM and 80GB HDD). Is Lubuntu a good choice here, or would I be better off with Debian? The machine should run a lightweight DE, support HP printers, and be pretty fast. It will be used for web browsing, email, printing, and light word processing tasks. Any ideas?
[21:43] <billkd> I'm trying to set up Gnu/Linux on a low hard disk storage and low memory system(512MB RAM and 80GB HDD). Is Lubuntu a good choice here, or would I be better off with Debian? The machine should run a lightweight DE, support HP printers, and be pretty fast. It will be used for web browsing, email, printing, and light word processing tasks. Any ideas?
[21:43] <SonikkuAmerica> billkd: Are you there? You just left #ubuntu
[21:43] <Unit193> !repeat | billkd
[21:43] <SonikkuAmerica> !crosspost | Better this one
[21:43] <Unit193> billkd: What's the processor?
[21:43] <SonikkuAmerica> Lubuntu is probably a good choice; Xubuntu is good too
[21:44] <Unit193> Lubuntu would do better with that RAM.
[21:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Unit193: You're prob right.
[21:44] <SonikkuAmerica> At least in this day and age
[21:44] <billkd> pentium 4
[21:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Yes, Lubuntu then.
[21:44] <Unit193> More ram would be very good, buuut...
[21:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Although Debian with LXDE... maybe...?
[21:45] <billkd> I use arch on my main laptop(this one) with gnome 3.8, and it runs pretty well, but I think gnome would be too much for that hardware.
[21:45] <SonikkuAmerica> billkd: Ohhhhh yes it would
[21:45] <Unit193> SonikkuAmerica: If I'm going with Debian, it'd be Openbox or fluxbox.
[21:46] <billkd> so... hmmmm... xfce4 or lxde?
[21:46] <SonikkuAmerica> billkd: Probably LXDE, as XFCE is a bit on the heavy side now...
[21:46] <billkd> OK
[21:46] <Unit193> Not really, just not quite as lightweight.
[21:47] <SonikkuAmerica> GTK+ 2 tool kit and all... I hear LXDE is moving to Qt... any ring o' truth to that?
[21:47] <billkd> How do I add icons to the lxde desktop? Do I need to do that gnome-panel hack? Remember, we're trying to be light on resources/packages.
[21:48] <Unit193> SonikkuAmerica: Eh, just looking at the options.
[21:48] <Unit193> billkd: No, pcmanfm is the desktop manager, just drag and drop (IIRC.)
[21:48] <billkd> No, for running custom commands.
[21:49] <billkd> Nevermind, you can use lxshortcut or whatever it's called.
[21:52] <SonikkuAmerica> Or just create an empty file, name it "whatever.desktop" and write in a desktop entry... aww dang he left
[22:15] <n-iCe> OK, I'm back
[22:15] <n-iCe> Bought 5 CD's
[22:15] <n-iCe> who was helping me?
[22:15] <SonikkuAmerica> n-iCe: Me. What's up?
[22:16] <SonikkuAmerica> n-iCe: No I wasnt'
[22:16] <n-iCe> haha
[22:16] <SonikkuAmerica> But if you're doing what I think you're doin' I think I can help
[22:16] <n-iCe> I want to create a mp3 which my mp3 car player can read it and play.
[22:17] <SonikkuAmerica> n-iCe: I forgot whether there was a sound recording program in Lubuntu.
[22:18] <SonikkuAmerica> n-iCe: I'm familiar with the GNOME one, which'll record excellent quality MP3s.
[22:27] <n-iCe> SonikkuAmerica: what do you use
[22:28] <SonikkuAmerica> It's called Sound Recorder... but because I'm in OpenIndiana (OpenSolaris) right now I couldn't say what it's really called?
[22:52] <n-iCe> Solved it
[22:53] <n-iCe> K3B and some packages did the job
[22:53] <n-iCe> Now I can play mp3 in my car
[22:53] <n-iCe> :D
[22:53] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh good.
[22:53] <n-iCe> I know
[22:53]  * n-iCe cries
[22:53] <n-iCe> fuck brasero, it sucks
[22:54] <n-iCe> :p
[22:54] <SonikkuAmerica> !wtf
[22:55] <n-iCe> :p


[08:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[08:32] <SuperMatt> good morning
[08:44]  * foobarry clocks in
[09:20] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Tuesday, and happy Go For A Ride Day! 😃 🚲 🚴 🚵
[09:27] <foobarry> on yer bike!
[09:37] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:54] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CTPLUcQAjk and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt3p-F2x7rY I think that covers us
[09:55] <JamesTait> One of those had better be Bicycle Race.
[09:55] <JamesTait> Ha!
[10:11] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:16] <davmor2> JamesTait: Of course and then a bit of kraftwork cause why not :)
[10:58] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:04] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[11:05] <zmoylan-pi> huskies booked for return to limerick this year? :-P
[12:12] <foobarry> find it funny that my ancient touchpad is running the newest of androids
[12:17] <diplo> Guys, best way in your opinion to su - $user without a password, ie ssh to user@localhost with ssh keys?
[12:17] <diplo> Customer wants it on a dev machine
[12:20] <foobarry> he wants to sudo without password, or wants passwordless keys?
[12:20] <foobarry> or ssh-agent?
[12:20] <foobarry> i use passworded keys and ssh-agent on my machine
[12:24] <diplo> He wants to change user, so we ssh into the server as one user and the bash profile gives them a choice of 6 different users to connect to, currently does su - $username on each choice and they type the password
[12:25] <foobarry> sudo allows passwordless user switching
[12:25] <foobarry> HOWEVER...
[12:25] <foobarry> you can always put his pub key on the other accounts too?
[12:26] <diplo> yeah, this is what I was thinking, just sshing to each user using the pub key of original
[12:26] <diplo> Wasn't sure how bad that was :)
[13:00] <zmoylan-pi> cassette boy vs snoopers charter... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2fSXp6N-vs&feature=youtu.be
[13:14] <diddledan> I _think_ you can set sudo to allow passwordless switching ONLY when the user is sshed with a key
[13:14] <diddledan> ^ foobarry diplo
[13:16] <foobarry> lots of ubuntu/inux on the code
[13:17] <foobarry> aussie bbc series
[13:17] <diddledan> foobarry: did I see correctly that there's a season2?
[13:17] <foobarry> yes. just watched it. was series 1 any good?
[13:18] <diddledan> I enjoyed it. was less about the hacking and more the fallout
[13:23] <foobarry> with the same aspie hugh grant guy?
[13:25] <diddledan> yup
[13:53] <diplo> cheers diddledan, think I'll just use ssh keys for now
[15:14] <diddledan> anyone seen this yet? https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/eve-v-the-first-ever-crowd-developed-computer-laptop-tablet#/
[16:08] <diddledan> I made a logo but someone said it looked a bit risque: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Lvd7HlhX/women's%20institute.png
[16:09] <foobarry> no idea why
[16:09] <foobarry> my missis is in WI
[16:09] <foobarry> "new wave"
[16:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> join #ubuntu-on-air
[16:10] <diddledan> no
[16:11] <foobarry> request denied
[18:36] <diddledan> I have a wiki I ran ages ago which I've put back-online. it still works, and I managed to upgrade it to a supported mediawiki!! https://clustergroup.org/index.php/Main_Page <-- that page last updated 2005
[18:38] <diddledan> https://clustergroup.org/index.php/File:Cluster.jpg <-- my old system running at my parents back around then
[19:31] <brobostigon> https://en.bentoandco.com/collections/chopsticks-cutlery/products/chopsticks-star-wars-bb-8?variant=26606873991 :)
[19:35] <popey> pfft, these are better :) https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kotobukiya-GZ-114-Yoda-Lightsaber-Chopsticks/dp/B005MZ3QK4/
[19:35] <popey> (I have had them on my Amazon wishlist for a long while now, but my wife refuses to buy them for me)
[19:42] <brobostigon> :)
[19:48] <davmor2> popey: hahaha it's like she doesn't love you or something ;)  Have you thought about removing everything else from the list so someone has to buy them for you :D
[19:49] <popey> haha
[19:49] <popey> that is not a bad idea
[19:50] <popey> you can have more than one list, I have one called "wishlist" and one called "wish list" - I might do exactly that, put those and one expensive thing on a list and give that to her :)
[19:50] <davmor2> popey: you just gotta think outside the box dude. If there is a list something else can always be purchased if there is an item that's what he really wants :D
[20:21] <daftykins> seems Apple have been working on their estimates - https://i.imgur.com/4aST19K.jpg
[20:23] <zmoylan-pi> use the 37 minutes to order pizza
[20:25] <daftykins> but there's no such thing here!
[20:25] <zmoylan-pi> no such thing as pizza deliveries... what is this... a douglas adams novel set in london in the 80s?!
[20:30]  * zmoylan-pi clicks on a link to read a news item and finds the site favours a light grey text... what muppet decided on grey text on white background...
[20:30] <daftykins> tried out the reader view? (browser function)
[20:31] <zmoylan-pi> i just switched to lynx... :-)
[20:31] <zmoylan-pi> black and white, text only.  barely one step up from teletext... :-D
[20:32] <zmoylan-pi> wait... teletext had graphics...
[20:33] <zmoylan-pi> one step sideways...
[21:27] <foobarry> popey: you want another dashcam?
[21:27] <foobarry> or this is just a gpslogger?
[21:28] <foobarry> i'm stalking his wishlist. i bought my wife the MEE earphones
[21:31] <zmoylan-pi> mee earphones... sounds selfish... :-P
[21:31] <foobarry> was hoping to get some chrimbo ideas
[21:38] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: and loud ;)
[22:11] <popey> foobarry: yeah, broke last one
[23:29] <mapps> hi all
[23:30] <daftykins> lo stranger
[23:30] <mapps> ;]
[23:30] <mapps> watching berlin station;D
[23:31] <daftykins> one day, a special day... you'll have news other than TV!
[23:31] <mapps> hah


[18:27] <hjd> Hi. Could someone please mark bug 1409877 and bug 1409879 as Triaged/High (program doesn't start)? (I didn't mark them as duplicate since at the end of the day it looks like two different packages will need to be patched, and I thought it would be better to keep them separate for this reason. Though, I'm open for other suggestions too :) )
[18:28] <teward> hjd: you can also make one bug and file it against multiple packages (thereby having multiple package tasks for the bug).
[18:29] <teward> hjd: i assume you mean for mttroff and sponc for that status?
[18:29] <teward> hjd: other than you has anyone else confirmed the bug?
[18:30] <teward> (I'll set importance in the mean time)
[18:30] <teward> oop nevermind i can't read xD
[18:30] <hjd> teward: Yes, I meant for mttroff and sponc.
[18:30] <teward> done
[18:30] <teward> hjd: not sure if it's a bug against libavg though - if they dropped it upstream for good reason, well...
[18:30] <teward> (not my say though)
[18:31] <teward> i've set triaged/high for mttroff and sponc on those bugs, although if the cause is the same then probably one bug against all the packages would work in the future xD
[18:34] <hjd> I see your point on libavg. I intially added it because it looked like something had changed in the dependency ie python-libavg which made the programs fail to start. This was before I found that the file had been removed alltogether from libavg upstream.
[18:34] <teward> hjd: then "Invalid" or "Won't Fix" is my gut feeling on libavg but that's not something i'm going to poke at
[18:40] <hjd> teward: Or I guess I could remove the "also affects libavg" (if I figuered out how)
[18:48] <hjd> teward: Thought about it, and marked the libavg tasks as invalid now. I guess that makes the most sense.
[18:48] <hjd> Thanks for marking them Triaged :)
[18:50] <teward> hjd: i think both those tasks are restricted to bugcontrol and all
[18:50] <teward> hjd: comment as to why you set invalid though
[18:52] <hjd> Yes, I did.
[19:06] <hjd> Another question: anyone have a suggestion for how to proceed with bug 1315678? The issue is fixed in Vivid, but that's because phpunit's dependencies had their dependencies updated, which of course adds up to multiple packages.
[19:08] <hjd> I'm mostly thinking about if people would want/request the fix for current releases.


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[00:01] <zirpu> is there a way to recover from a bootstrap node going away?  any HA for that? docs?
[01:24] <SpamapS> zirpu: in the upcoming 2.0 HA will be built in via mongodb magic.
[01:24] <SpamapS> zirpu: for 0.x You can make the Zookeeper HA but you have to do it manually.
[01:24] <SpamapS> zirpu: and if the IP goes away you have to have a way to get to every box and update the IP.
[02:11] <zirpu> SpamapS: thanks.
[02:12] <zirpu> i'm using 1.11.x currently and was just trying to work out how to make it more resiliant to losing the bootstrap node.
[02:15] <zirpu> seems to me a zookeeper cluster of >3 nodes would be more resilient than mongodb.  i'll search the docs and 2.0 code.
[15:16] <Campbell> Has anyone seen this error when trying to run juju bootstrap on a MAAS environment? error: file 'provider-state' not found
[15:22] <Campbell> http://askubuntu.com/questions/288681/juju-with-maas-error-file-provider-state-not-found
[15:23] <Campbell> not the only person with this problem
[15:50] <jcastro> charm meeting in 10 minutes folks!
[15:50] <jcastro> Campbell: I tacked a bounty on it
[15:57] <jcastro> For anyone who wants to join in on the Google Hangout for today's charm meeting:
[15:57] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/9db7982e06dd26d8c4690d33f54e230382f094dd?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:58] <jcastro> or you can just follow along on http://ubuntuonair.com
[15:58] <arosales_> jcastro, thanks
[15:59] <arosales_> Pad and more info @ https://juju.ubuntu.com/community/weekly-charm-meeting/
[16:00] <arosales_> pad @ http://pad.ubuntu.com/7mf2jvKXNa
[16:10] <rick_h__> ouch, nickroughing things up
[16:30] <arosales_> evilnickveitch, be nice to have a juju version selection like this in the docs
[16:30] <arosales_> http://developer.android.com/reference/packages.html
[16:30] <arosales_> so you get the recent up front, but you can select which version and see the same page be updated.
[16:31] <evilnickveitch> arosales, yes, that would be nice!
[16:31] <arosales> perhaps marcoceppi has some hints on how to accomplish this
[16:32] <marcoceppi> arosales: evilnickveitch could seed it during the "build" process
[16:58] <hazmat> Hi Campbell
[16:59] <Campbell> Hello
[16:59] <marcoceppi> evilnickveitch: where's the latest docs branch?
[16:59]  * marcoceppi wants to get redirects ready
[17:06] <evilnickveitch> marcoceppi, it should be on ~evilnick/juju/go-juju-docs
[17:06] <marcoceppi> evilnickveitch: thanks
[20:38] <jcastro> m_3: heya
[20:38] <jcastro> the liferay guys just pinged me out of the blue
[20:38] <jcastro> they made a charm and want to know how to submit it, I mailed them the instructions
[20:39] <jhf> jcastro: hey this is me (James) from Liferay :)
[20:40] <jhf> gonna submit it asap
[20:40] <jhf> it was ridiculously easy to create, I should have done this months ago.
[20:40] <jcastro> no worries, we can review it no problem.
[20:41] <jcastro> I'll work up on a blog post too that we can run on planet and on the website
[20:41] <jhf> I also installed juju-gui and 'shopped up a marketing pic
[20:41] <jhf> http://twitpic.com/cvgtj1
[20:41] <jhf> :)
[20:42] <jcastro> yeah!
[20:42] <jcastro> hey did you try sticking an haproxy on the front and adding liferay units?
[20:43] <jhf> nope.. but I can try.. this is using lxc, will that blow up my machine (a mac running 13.04 via virtual box) :)
[20:43] <jcastro> you don't want to go over a few.
[20:43] <jcastro> but maybe m_3 can fire up more when he reviews it.
[20:43] <jcastro> we'd like to have a juju vagrant backend at some point so you can do a container-like experience on OSX
[20:44] <jhf> yeah that would be cool..
[22:38] <jhf> btw jcastro I just pushed the liferay charm
[22:39] <jhf> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~james-falkner/charms/precise/liferay/trunk/files
[22:39] <jhf> hope I didn't f it all up
[22:41] <sarnold> jhf: some thoughts from the peanut gallery :) .. 'start' doesn't start it, but the db-relation-changed hook starts it; and since it uses a shell script, it looks like it won't restart automatically on host reboots?
[22:42] <sarnold> jhf: .. and install doesn't do any verification of what it downloads; are there gpg signatures that you can check? (if not, can there be? :)
[22:43] <jhf> sarnold: ya I was wondering about that - I am a very new juju charm developer, and was just following the example (which also uses an empty start hook (!))
[22:43] <sarnold> jhf: oh :) hehe
[22:43] <jhf> and no, it won't restart automatically on host reboot.  my plan there is to link this to tomcat eventually with a relation, so that tomcat can manage it.
[22:43] <jhf> which is kinda weird, because now juju and tomcat manage the lifecyle of the charm.
[22:44] <jhf> also nope; no downloads. I could check the signature.. would it be proper to bake the expected signature into the charm? that seems wrong because it would likely change often, as new releases come out.
[22:45] <jhf> err..  that should have been "also nope; no signature checking on download" :)
[22:46] <sarnold> jhf: baking in an sha1 sum of the tarball probably wouldn't be ideal, but if there's a small group of people who do releases, you could bake in their gpg keyids..
[22:46] <jhf> on the lifecycle thing: it's weird because tomcat could "stop" or undeploy a web app, and juju wouldn't "know" that this happened, so it would think that the web app (potentially representing a juju service) was still running.
[22:47] <sarnold> (incidentally, this is an area where I think the juju team could provide some Very Useful little utilities to do simple things like check gpg sigs on tarballs.. I'd even like to help make it happen, but with what time, you know? :)
[22:47] <sarnold> jhf: that is a bit awkward.
[22:47] <sarnold> jhf: but I think the juju user would probably want juju to manage tomcat.
[22:50] <jhf> the other issue I was wondering.. reconfiguring a db relation is not exactly a lightweight thing most of the time. in Liferay's case, if you reconfigure it, and it triggers the db-relation-changed hook, I would have to stop and restart liferay for it to 'take effect' which is a pretty major lifecycle operation for a web app.  this is another reason why I didn't know what to do with the 'start' hook.  you can 'start' Liferay without configuring a db (it will
[22:50] <jhf> default to an embedded hsql db).  But my concern is that if I put "real" start code into the start hook, that juju would install liferay, start it, then an admin would add the db relation, and juju would invoke the charm's db-relation-changed hook while Liferay was still initializing, and all hell would break loose.
[22:52] <jhf> I mean, if Liferay takes 60s to come up, what if 3 db-relation-changed events occur during that time? do I have to pepper my hooks with "if you're busy, then queue and/or ignore this event" ?
[22:52] <sarnold> jhf: aha :) that's what makes this cool -- you know that, and you design to make it work well. :) I'd have screwed that up, and people would have grumbled at me. :)


[00:51] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Did we ever finish that packaging audit in the Ubuntu archive?
[00:51] <tsimonq2> I'm going full send once we get a codename and would like to know if you noticed anything off.
[00:51] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: We did most of it, there are still a few loose ends that will have to wait.
[00:51] <arraybolt3> (Mainly just the copyright files need updated.)
[00:51] <arraybolt3> All of the Debian sync stuff was repaired.
[00:52] <arraybolt3> Note that I'm still writing a guide that I intend to plug into the release notes.
[00:52] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: ^
[00:52] <tsimonq2> Thank you for that, by the way.
[00:53] <arraybolt3> And the copyright files only need updated on just a few packages.
[00:54] <tsimonq2> I'll keep an eye out for copyright, otherwise I also want to get Qt 6 builds started. Native theming is the first thing, then getting applications ported one by one. That will take us through the LTS, I'd imagine
[00:55] <arraybolt3> Pretty sure LXQt 1.3.0 doesn't support Qt 6 yet.
[00:55] <arraybolt3> They're waiting on KF6.
[00:56]  * arraybolt3 now understands what you said, nvm
[00:57] <tsimonq2> Preliminary Qt 6 builds exist for the frameworks we need. I'll have to ask about naming convention for KF6, probably on debian-qt-kde@debian - then once those are through NEW and buildable, we work through the LXQt stack to lxqt-qtplugin to start
[00:57] <tsimonq2> I'd imagine by that point, we'd start to see some Qt 6 patches being merged upstream
[00:58] <tsimonq2> Now, I'm unsure whether 2.0 will be LWQt, or whether it will be Qt 6, or both. So we'll have to be careful about naming convention there
[00:58] <tsimonq2> That being said, Arch already has some Qt 6 LXQt builds in their archive
[00:59] <tsimonq2> Anyway, that all comes next cycle, plus our current projects
[01:01] <tsimonq2> I think the last things we really need for our try or install screen are a) some minor UI polish and b) a locale chooser, potentially one that changes the entire desktop environment. That will be a huge leap
[01:01] <tsimonq2> OEM is also currently possible, just needs to be implemented. I get why we haven't done it yet
[01:02] <tsimonq2> That, plus some other installer polish. We now have a ZFS module in Calamares so I'd like to enable that by default (not as the default, but as an option, alongside a few others). Minimal install comes with that, I dunno if we'll get as far as snap or AD integration like Ubiquity, but hey
[01:03] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: Did you see the polish I did on the install prompt?
[01:03] <arraybolt3> There's a PR in Gitea for it.
[01:03] <tsimonq2> Oh yeah?
[01:03] <arraybolt3> https://git.lubuntu.me/Lubuntu/installer-prompt/pulls/1
[01:03] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Pull 1 in Lubuntu/installer-prompt "Functionality and UI overhaul" [Open]
[01:04] <tsimonq2> (I saw a headline come across today about Ubuntu's new installer missing ZFS support entirely and I kinda chuckled. I almost wonder if we should release note how to enable it.)
[01:06] <arraybolt3> There's an attached video on the PR showing the modified installer prompt in action.
[01:07] <arraybolt3> (Also Ubuntu Unity 22.10 poking its head out in the background. Had fun with that for a couple of months.)
[01:08] <tsimonq2> Unity is what I started on. Great stuff. We could totally steal the HUD (like MATE did) :D
[01:09] <tsimonq2> But yeah, I think with a locale/language panel it'd be great
[01:10] <arraybolt3> The installer prompt? That sounds like a good idea.
[01:11] <tsimonq2> I loved the idea of having it in the boot menu like the old days, idk why that can't be a thing again :(
[01:13] <arraybolt3> What on earth... I just broke Google somehow :P
[01:13] <arraybolt3> Doesn't show any websites in the search results at first...
[01:14] <arraybolt3> Works in an incognito window. Wonder what happened there.
[01:16] <arraybolt3> ROFL even clearing my cookies didn't fix it?!
[01:20] <arraybolt3> Weird. Well, I can still Google with Incognito mode, so I guess that's good. Hopefully that will shake itself out in a bit. (I don't see anything weird security-wise on my account so I think I'm OK there, and I use 2FA so...)
[01:46] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: I'm thinking of intentionally *not* documenting the process to allow a blank password at install time since that could result in user data loss thanks to XScreenSaver's shenanigans. I documented autologin, passwordless sudo, and deleting a password. Is that enough?
 "That, plus some other installer..." <- We could enable the FS selection drop down on the erase disk selection.
[01:49] <arraybolt3> Google started working for me again \o/
[02:28] <tsimonq2> I think that's LC quorum on enabling the FS dropdown, lol
[02:28] <arraybolt3> Heh, it is indeed.
[02:29] <arraybolt3> guiverc: If you could review and approve my new "how to disable your password" post in the Documentation section of Discourse, that would be great. I'm hoping to integrate it into the release notes.
[02:29] <tsimonq2> I think putting a small reference to that link wouldn't hurt then
[02:29] <guiverc> ack
[02:30] <guiverc> approved cause I trust the source.. will read it now (second)
[02:33]  * guiverc screams; visudo opened nano on this box; I didn't expect that!
[02:34] <arraybolt3> lol
[02:34]  * guiverc useful right now... I've obviously not used `visudo` since installing back in feb.
[02:37] <guiverc> arraybolt3, the "Deleting the password entirely" section doesn't mention disabling screensaver locking; should it?
[02:38] <arraybolt3> It does say that it "does not ask for a password to unlock the screen", though I guess that doesn't fully communicate just *how* disabled it is :P
[02:39] <arraybolt3> So yeah, it should say that.
[02:39] <guiverc> I took that as being sddm, not xscreensaver
[02:39] <arraybolt3> Ah, it is xscreensaver. Though just moving the mouse is enough to "unlock" the screen, unlike Windows which still makes you click a button to do it.
[02:40] <guiverc> do as you see fit; as you tested it (not me!)
[02:40] <guiverc> it's very good arraybolt3 ; my only dislike was the Nano, esp. the discover that its still default on this box!!!!
[02:40] <arraybolt3> Thanks!
[02:41]  * guiverc got flashbacks to wordstar back on CP/M with the ^ menu down the bottom of the screen...  trip back to late 70s
[02:42] <arraybolt3> Heh, I've never even used CP/M before, though I've wanted to a few times in an emulator.
[02:43] <arraybolt3> (It's even FOSS at this point, IIUC.)
[02:47] <guiverc> if you used msdos; it was created based on CP/M without the polish notation PIP command (peripheral interchange program; used to copy files; eg. `pip c:=a:filename.txt` would copy a:filename,txt to c:)
[02:48] <arraybolt3> Ugh... I even like reverse polish notation and that looks like a nightmare.
[02:49] <guiverc> it was i guess the 'standard' at the time, unless you were lucky & had a much more expensive unix box
[02:50] <arraybolt3> lol, now Linux is free and the thingy based on CP/M long ago is the pricey one.
[02:51] <guiverc> :)
[04:03] <arraybolt3> Hmm... while Wayfire will probably work, I kind of hope labwc works well or better. Wayfire is seriously powerful and uses 3D effects, fancy animations, etc. It looks, IMO, out of place in Lubuntu, where we keep things simple and lightweight.
[04:03] <arraybolt3> labwc is designed to be Openbox-like and omits the tons of "fluff" that Wayfire appears to have.
 Maybe we should consider Mir too ?? Its super lightweight and Ubuntu Native.. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> Hmm... while Wayfire will probably work, I kind of hope labwc works well or better. Wayfire is seriously powerful and uses 3D effects, fancy animations, etc. It looks, IMO, out of place in Lubuntu, where we keep things simple and lightweight.)
 Mir is nowadays Wayland only, i mean its a set of libs that simplify writing a wayland compositor which is actually quite difficult
[10:50] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Lunar Final] has been marked as ready
 It is on the exploration list.
 Nice (re @kc2bez: It is on the exploration list.)
[14:07] <arraybolt3> Did some research into Mir, mainly looking at Miriway. I don't *think* it uses wlroots, which may be a problem.
 Cant say that it will cause a major problem or not ?? but alan has provided and done some testing of miriway with lxqt components, i did try with lxqt 1.2 on jammy but the panel was completely broken i mean appeared half on the screen, still its a good project that the devs should try alongside other options (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> Did some research into Mir, mainly looking at Miriway. I don't *think* it uses w
 Did some research too as per my understanding wlroots/libweston and mir are different , they are alternatives to each other and maybe arent using each other ?? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> Did some research into Mir, mainly looking at Miriway. I don't *think* it uses wlroots, which may be a problem.)
 —> https://subdiff.org/blog/2021/wlroots-in-kwinft/
[14:28] <arraybolt3> From what I've researched, Wayland on its own is not suitable for LXQt - it omits too many features for LXQt to be usable with it. wlroots adds those needed features. So any Wayland compositor that supports only Wayland or Wayland + whatever isn't good enough, we need Wayland + wlroots at least, since that's what LXQt is working towards supporting.
[14:29] <arraybolt3> I personally am actually not all that big of a fan of Wayland, but wlroots appears to be a pretty good compromise between the feature-loaded-and-messy X11 and the lean-clean-and-just-about-unusable Wayland :P
[14:30] <arraybolt3> (to be fair I don't actually know how "lean" Wayland is but you get what I'm saying.)
 So basically very less chance for MIr ?? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> From what I've researched, Wayland on its own is not suitable for LXQt - it omits too many features for LXQt to be usable with it. wlroots adds those needed features. So any Wayland compositor that supports only Wayland or Wayland + whatever isn't good enough, we need Wayland + wlroots at least, since that's what LXQt is working towards supporting
 Mir can be enhanced by writing extensions ??
 I had discussed this with alan once when seeking sway lock and sway idle to work with miriway
[14:50] <arraybolt3> True, I believe Mir is unlikely to work.
[14:50] <arraybolt3> Wayland support is probably going to be tricky enough on its own, so we sorta want to take the path of least resistance both for our own sakes and for the sake of our users. Currently that looks like it's going to be to package either Wayfire or labwc and use that as the compositor.
 Hmm Sad, yet good luck to lubuntu/lxqt devs for implementing wayland in lxqt (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> True, I believe Mir is unlikely to work.)
 In LXQt they are already working on it
 I know  and had been recently tracking them they seem to be picking wayfire (re @Roberalz: In LXQt they are already working on it)
[17:57] <tsimonq2> We aren't set in stone on one implementation or another quite yet. We're looking for the fastest/most resource efficient one that works
[18:02] <arraybolt3> If it's up to me, we may even have more than one option that can be switched between :D
[18:02] <arraybolt3> For instance, I personally really want labwc since it's simpler and more lightweight than Wayfire AFAICT. But Wayfire also has a lot of nice stuff kind of like what picom might provide but better, IIUC. So having both and allowing the user to switch might be nice.


[14:17] <enr0n> Can a core dev please retry these autopkgtests? retry-autopkgtest-regressions --blocks openssh -s kinetic | grep -v xen-tools
[16:12] <dbungert> enr0n: have you tried running some autopkgtest locally of piuparts?  a retest now seems to show different errors
[16:14] <enr0n> dbungert: Yes I have. What error are you seeing now?
[16:14] <dbungert> I'll send logs in a few
[16:17] <dbungert> enr0n: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qKy5KHyfpP/
[16:20] <enr0n> dbungert: ah, I am trying to unblock openssh in kinetic-proposed. It looks like you ran the test in lunar
[16:20] <dbungert> ah
[17:40] <justdan96___> hi, I'm getting an error trying to upload a package to my PPA - "[lplibrarian-public-upload.internal:10004]: [Errno -2] Name or service not known". Any idea what this means?
[17:41] <RikMills> launchpad seems to be struggling generally this afternoon. slow, timeouts, etc
[21:19] <enr0n> dbungert: did you end up triggering those tests?
[21:23] <dbungert> enr0n: I've tried a few times, errors on the launchpad side.  Haven't seen them queue yet.
[21:23] <dbungert> also the errors I was seeing with piuparts can also be seen in older series so I was going to try the whole set you requested.
[21:24] <enr0n> dbungert: ah that makes sense


[00:21] <tgm4883> slangasek, I assume you will be asking superm1 for this http://www.mythbuntu.org/10.04/release
[00:23] <tgm4883> that page exists, just needs to be flipped to public when the time comes
[00:26] <Daviey> (keep in mind that due to caching on the site, it requires a little bit of notice)
[00:26] <tgm4883> ah yea
[00:26] <tgm4883> that too
[00:26] <tgm4883> 15 minute cache
[01:14] <sbeattie> argh, finally got the last of the iscsi tests done.
[05:32] <slangasek> tgm4883: that's the url I'm looking for, yes. :)  do I talk to you or superm1 about it when we're ready to go?
[06:01] <tgm4883> slangasek, probably ping us both, or Daviey one of us can flip it over
[06:09] <slangasek> tgm4883: ok, thanks
[07:25] <ara> good morning all!
[11:03] <slangasek> tgm4883: hi, there's a last-minute decision to take a fix for bug #570765, which affects all desktop CDs except for kubuntu (i.e., anything that supports migration-assistant)
[11:03] <ubot4> slangasek: Bug 570765 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/570765 is private
[11:04] <slangasek> tgm4883: cjwatson has dropped a note to Daviey and superm1 already; each distro flavor has the option whether to take the current image or the pending one
[11:05]  * davmor2 quickly switches off his machine and strolls away nonchalantly in the knowledge he didn't just see that info
[11:05] <slangasek> tgm4883: revalidating the pending one will most likely mean mythbuntu will not be ready to release by the time we push the release button for Ubuntu, whereas taking the current one as release leaves users with a pretty serious bug that they'll need the wisdom of the Internet to find their way out of - so neither is a great option, but it's the mythbuntu folks' choice to make
[11:06] <slangasek> tgm4883: I realize you're probably not in a position to *make* this decision, so you may instead wish to focus on rallying resources to do the actual testing :)
[11:07] <davmor2> slangasek: so you are going for a respin or are these iso's already up?
[11:07] <ttx> davmor2: not up yet
[11:08] <ara> slangasek, mythbuntu is alternate, isn't it?
[11:08] <slangasek> ara: mythbuntu is desktop-only; ubuntustudio is alternate-only
[11:08] <slangasek> davmor2: ETA 1.5h for first images
[11:08] <ara> slangasek, ah, ok, sorry
[11:09] <davmor2> slangasek: so do you want a complete retest on the lives or just that m-a/auto-resize is functioning correctly?
[11:11] <davmor2> slangasek, ara: I got my two releases out of the way yesterday so I'll have a bit of time I can throw your way
[11:11] <cjwatson> davmor2: we should have a complete retest if at all possible, but auto-resize is the priority
[11:11] <cjwatson> and if we can do that, we will probably be comfortable
[11:12] <davmor2> cjwatson: okay so if we hit all the auto-resize and m-a tests first and then plod through the others and ensure they work on top then
[11:14] <cjwatson> (there is some debate about this line; for the time being assume that we'll need a complete retest)
[11:14] <cjwatson> (installation at any rate)
[11:15] <ara> slangasek, cjwatson: I never hit that bug while doing my testing. Do you want me to focus in the rest of the tests and let people that hit the bug do the verification?
[11:15] <slangasek> ara: that would be fine
[11:15] <cjwatson> ara: did you explicitly check?
[11:16] <cjwatson> I'm told it's not called out in the test plans right now
[11:17] <ara> cjwatson, I'll double check with current ISOs, to see if I can reproduce
[11:17] <ara> "Dooitze de Jong  wrote 2 minutes ago:  	  #44
[11:17] <ara> What about to release Ubuntu on 30th of April?
[11:17] <ara> "
[11:18] <ara> the suggestions...
[11:18] <slangasek> bladernr: awake? :-)
[11:18] <davmor2> cjwatson: I didn't have a look at m-a in the end I can run a quick test now if you want on hw rather than vm
[11:20] <cjwatson> have we explicitly tested that Kubuntu is unaffected by this bug?
[11:20] <cjwatson> the hypothesis is plausible, but I'd like to know that for sure
[11:20] <slangasek> not that I've heard
[11:21] <slangasek> can someone test the existing kubuntu ISO?
[11:21] <cjwatson> ev: have you?
[11:21] <davmor2> I'll do it now for you
[11:21] <cjwatson> davmor2: thanks - can you reproduce the original bug?
[11:21] <cjwatson> we should make sure it's an apples-to-apples comparison
[11:22] <davmor2> I hadn't but I didn't do any m-a/auto resize tests in FR
[11:22] <cjwatson> actually in some ways a VM test would be more certain since it would be possible to snapshot the original state and install each of Ubuntu and Kubuntu on top of the snapshot
[11:23] <cjwatson> I'm preparing an appropriate VM snapshot myself for another reason anyway so I can queue that up
[11:24] <cjwatson> ara: the suggestions that didn't bother reading all the comments before replying, more to the point :-/
[11:37] <davmor2> cjwatson: Right I'm running against xp and vista
[11:52] <davmor2> kubuntu is showing up xp
[11:53] <davmor2> cjwatson: boots into both okay
[11:54] <cjwatson> FTR I can't reproduce it either here
[11:54] <cjwatson> it's obviously a little more subtle than "happens to everyone"
[11:54] <cjwatson> trying to debug
[11:55] <davmor2> cjwatson: do you want me to try a current ubuntu install against xp/vista too?
[11:59] <cjwatson> oh you installed kubuntu
[11:59] <cjwatson> ok, yes please try ubuntu against xp
[12:01] <davmor2> cjwatson: no probs
[12:18] <ara> cjwatson, reproduced here in a ubuntu - ubuntu configuration
[12:20] <cjwatson> current hypothesis is that it only happens if there's something to migrate
[12:22] <ara> cjwatson, yes, it has only happened to me now that I migrated the bookmarks
[12:23] <davmor2> cjwatson: I got stuff on both xp and vista, and ubuntu installing on both now with m-a enabled
[12:24] <cjwatson> and you had the relevant stuff there when installing kubuntu too?
[12:25] <davmor2> cjwatson: yes but there is no m-a in kubuntu
[12:25] <ara> cjwatson, reproduced again in HW (previous test was KVM)
[12:26] <cjwatson> davmor2: yes.  what I'm trying to establish is that kubuntu does not suffer from this
[12:26] <davmor2> cjwatson: yes kubuntu was fine
[12:26] <cjwatson> davmor2: the thing we need to establish this is that the bug is reproducible with ubuntu but not with kubuntu, while changing absolutely nothing else
[12:26] <davmor2> ubuntu is running now
[12:26] <cjwatson> so if you reproduce it with ubuntu, then that should be sufficient to confirm that
[12:27] <davmor2> cjwatson: should be
[12:35] <davmor2> cjwatson: not showing up runing m-a
[12:35] <cjwatson> please expand
[12:36] <davmor2> cjwatson: XP isn't showing up now that the m-a auto-resize has completed
[12:37] <cjwatson> ok, great
[12:37] <davmor2> cjwatson: do you want me to try again this time skipping the m-a and see if it is m-a rather than auto-resize?
[12:37] <cjwatson> no, we've confirmed that here
[12:37] <davmor2> cool
[12:37] <cjwatson> I can reproduce bug 570765 when there is something to migrate, and not when there isn't
[12:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 570765 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[Lucid] no GRUB menu entry for other operating systems (affects: 6) (heat: 62)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/570765
[12:38] <davmor2> how long for the new cd's
[12:44] <davmor2> cjwatson: just as a confirmation, vista has no grub entry with m-a run either
[12:44] <davmor2> so that is 32 and 64 bit's covered too
[12:46] <davmor2> bbiab need to go do some stuff and then lunch.  give us a ping when they are up I have 3 windows machines preped now waiting
[12:50] <cjwatson> I'm currently testing by way of 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' before starting the installer
[12:50] <cjwatson> in order to get a jump on it
[12:51] <cjwatson> looking ok so far
[13:07] <ara> slangasek, netbook up, but timing out :(
[13:07] <slangasek> oh good job, Internet
[13:07] <ara> I am trying again
[13:08] <ara> yes, perfect day for #ubuntu to be a trending topic in twitter
[13:11] <ara> slangasek, weird, downloading the complete ISO works, but not using zsync
[13:11] <ara> downloading it now (but hte complete one)
[13:12] <slangasek> what about rsync?
[13:12] <slangasek> also, we're doing a quick respin
[13:12] <slangasek> of the ISO part only
[13:12] <slangasek> it says LTS when it shouldn't
[13:12] <ara> ok :)
[13:16] <newz2000> Hi, I'm willing to help test if you can use an extra tester. I have a Dell D430 laptop and some blank CDs. Can test 32b or 64b. I don't want to format my whole drive but an make room for 20G or so.
[13:16] <newz2000> Is that useful? I've never tested ISOs before. I've read the wiki page.
[13:17] <slangasek> ok, new netbook posted
[13:17] <cjwatson> newz2000: never hurts, refer to iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[13:18]  * cjwatson is confirming the ubuntu vs. kubuntu distinction right now
[13:31] <cjwatson> confirmed that Kubuntu wasn't affected
[13:31] <slangasek> phew
[13:34] <davmor2> cjwatson, slangasek: what iso's are up now?
[13:34] <slangasek> only ubuntu-netbook
[13:34] <slangasek> ubuntu desktop will be up shortly
[13:38] <ara> schwuk, ping
[13:38] <schwuk> ara: hi
[13:40] <davmor2> I'm getting network timeouts trying to sync netbook
[13:41] <charlie-tca> Yeah, the server is apparently real busy ?
[13:41] <ara> davmor2, me too
[13:48] <davmor2> argh! slangasek if you want these testing we really need a connection :(
[13:49] <slangasek> they're highly rsyncable, but I can't do much about the network
[13:49] <slangasek> I guess you should talk to schwuk
[13:49] <ara> slangasek, I already talked with davmor2
[13:49] <slangasek> ok
[13:51] <newz2000> I'm downloading netbook using rsync and it's workign OK except the speed goes up and down. I'm at 93% with about 2min left
[13:52] <cjwatson> rsync speeds go up and down practically by definition, at least if you already had an older image
[13:58] <slangasek> ubuntu desktop posted
[14:02] <oubiwann> ogasawara: I'm going to test manual partition install for desktop
[14:03] <ogasawara> oubiwann: cool, we're still getting them downloaded.  we'll post here the tests we start tackling.
[14:05] <stgraber> please mark whatever you're going to test on the tracker
[14:07]  * robbiew starting 64bit OEM Install
[14:08]  * charlie-tca starting 386 entire disk
[14:08] <cjwatson> how do you mark a test as started?
[14:09] <stgraber> go to the same page where you'd enter the result for a test case, there's now an extra status that's "started"
[14:09] <cjwatson> why does the "Free Software Only" test case link to /Install/NetbookARM?
[14:10] <stgraber> cjwatson: oh, weird, fixing that now :)
[14:11] <stgraber> ara: ping
[14:12] <stgraber> ara: was lp-integration.py fixed ? I notice quandong rebooted and so my screen session is gone, so I'm wondering if it got fixed or if I should start a new screen session with the script
[14:13] <stgraber> cjwatson: fixed
[14:14] <cjwatson> thanks
[14:18] <ogasawara> is iso.qa.ubuntu.com down for anyone else?
[14:19] <schwuk> ogasawara: no, but slow
[14:21] <ogasawara> we're starting the remaining Live Session and Install (auto resize) for Desktop i386
[14:22] <ogasawara> also starting Install (entire disk) for Desktop amd64
[14:24] <ara> stgraber, it got fixed by is
[14:26] <newz2000> ok, well, I'm having hardware probs or somethign and I'm not able to successfully test.
[14:29] <ogasawara> apw: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20100429/MD5SUMS
[14:29] <bdmurray> ara: Is there something specific I can test?
[14:30] <slangasek> bdmurray: I think we're pretty well saturated on the images that are currently ready, but xubuntu/mythbuntu desktop and edubuntu/ubuntu DVD are pending
[14:31] <slangasek> bdmurray: so if you don't already have those mirrored and want to get a base downloaded for rsyncing, that's probably the best use of your bandwidth right now
[14:31] <ara> for me, even resyncing a couple of MBs is being a pain :(
[14:33] <charlie-tca> Mine is only 12 minutes for 200MB
[14:41] <davmor2> slangasek, cjwatson : I've got une at 78% of the install using m-a
[14:42]  * slangasek nods
[14:42] <pedro_> oh wow the iso tracker is really slow
[14:43] <stgraber> db@quandong:~$ uptime 14:43:25 up 3 days,  6:22,  1 user,  load average: 13.90, 40.20, 38.64
[14:44] <slangasek> perhaps I'll be posting the next ISOs via the db :P
[14:44] <ara> slangasek, heheh
[14:45] <stgraber> I don't see any specific process taking all of the CPU though the load is now up to 60. Might be some IOWAIT, might be worth poking someone from IS.
[14:45] <davmor2> slangasek: royal mail might be faster :D
[14:46] <ara> Now we know what would happen to the tracker if we build a bigger testing community
[14:46] <davmor2> ara: it dies a horrid painful flaming death
[14:47] <davmor2> cjwatson, slangasek: YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[14:47] <cjwatson> I'll take it that's a success
[14:47] <davmor2> works on une at least :D
[14:48] <stgraber> ara: well, it seems like something is really slowing down quandong, seems to be I/O related.
[14:48] <cjwatson> bouncing up and down on your chair works better on the chairs in the office
[14:48] <charlie-tca> 386 entire disk worked
[14:51] <davmor2> cjwatson: it's the hydrolics they take the impact better :D
[14:55] <rlameiro> how is going it now
[14:55] <rlameiro> is every test being made at the moment?
[14:56] <rlameiro> the iso.qa.ubuntu.com is very slow, i wanted to help on a VM to test the isos fasters
[14:58] <cyphermox> fwiw, on amd64 with another lucid side-by-side (autoresize), both show up in grub
[15:01]  * fader_ is testing Free software only install on desktop amd64 but is unable to get to the tracker to mark it as started.
[15:03] <davmor2> fader_: glad you can access tracker
[15:04] <davmor2> I'll take all the m-a tests as I get the iso's
[15:09]  * ara is happy. she was able to mark a test as Started in the tracker
[15:09] <ara> I just discovered the route to happiness: not timing out
[15:14] <davmor2> ara: Lies chocolate is the route to happiness ask czajkowski she'll tell you
[15:15] <fader_> Yeah, I hate when my chocolate times out.
[15:15] <fader_> Wait, what?
[15:15] <ara> :D
[15:15] <davmor2> fader_: yeah you do have to eat it before the sell by date ;)
[15:16] <fader_> davmor2: It's much cheaper to buy once it's past though :P
[15:16] <davmor2> czajkowski: how's the office?
[15:16] <davmor2> fader_: That's just so wrong ;)
[15:20] <davmor2> burns ubu i386
[15:32] <davmor2> ubu 64bit and 32bit m-a running
[15:47] <davmor2> ubu i386 is working on m-a
[15:48] <marjo> davmor2: any more tests to run?
[15:48] <marjo> on ubu_i386?
[15:49] <davmor2> marjo: all of them that was the first as far as I know
[15:49] <marjo> davmor2: huh?
[15:50] <marjo> AFAICT, all tests have been reported on?
[15:50] <cyphermox> non-english network + cjk input in optional is all that's left on ubu i386
[15:50] <davmor2> marjo: respin for bug
[15:50] <marjo> cyphermox: ack & yes, it's optional
[15:50] <sbeattie> davmor2: what's being respun?
[15:51] <dholbach> sbeattie:
[15:51] <cyphermox> davmor2, any luck with m-a on amd64? I couldn't get it too see that there was data, but I may well have been doing it wrong
[15:51] <davmor2> sbeattie: every live system that has migration-assistant
 daily-live, netbook, edubuntu so far
[15:51] <dholbach>  edubuntu ISO still finalizing
 ubuntu dvd also planned, plus mythbuntu and xubuntu
[15:51] <davmor2> cyphermox: it's running now
[15:51] <cyphermox> ok
[15:51] <Daviey> ^^ I don't think Mythbuntu is having a re-spin, i might be wrong.
[15:51] <marjo> davmor2: thx
[15:52] <cjwatson> Daviey: I asked you, you never responded?
[15:52] <cjwatson> 10:57 <cjwatson> superm1,Daviey,mr_pouit: we're respinning the Ubuntu desktop CDs for bug 570765 and doing emergency revalidation.  You have the option of doing the same for Mythbuntu/Xubuntu if you choose
[15:52] <Daviey> cjwatson: Sorry, i thought me and superm1 both responded in -devel?
[15:52] <cjwatson>                  (Edubuntu has already chosen to do so; Kubuntu and Ubuntu Studio are unaffected), and if you can get revalidation within at most a reasonable delay time.  Speak now?
[15:52] <cjwatson> 10:58 <cjwatson> superm1,Daviey,mr_pouit: if you choose to respin, you'll have the option of taking either the current validated image or the new one
[15:52] <ubot4> cjwatson: Bug 570765 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/570765 is private
[15:52] <cjwatson> oh, blah, now I see, it was in the middle of a pile of other stuff directed at me
[15:53] <Daviey> cjwatson: i totally understand.. we honestly don't mind.
[15:53] <Daviey> cjwatson: either way. :)
[15:53] <davmor2> cyphermox, cjwatson: clean bill of health for ubu 32 and 64 using m-a
[15:53] <cjwatson> ok, so in that case belay mythbuntu
[15:53] <Daviey> cjwatson: ok, great.
[15:54] <Daviey> (which is easier, as it's landed on our mirrors already)
[15:55] <marjo> davmor2: ack th
[15:55] <marjo> thx
[16:23] <davmor2> ubu32 full drive pass
[16:23]  * stgraber start edubuntu i386 (all tests)
[16:27] <fader_> stgraber: Is it helpful if I start on edubuntu amd64?
[16:27] <fader_> (Not sure if you've done those or not)
[16:28] <ara> sorry for asking this yet again, but i was out and the iso tracker is down
[16:28] <ara> what has been posted?
[16:28] <slangasek> edubuntu is the latest up
[16:28] <stgraber> fader_: it sure helps to get more coverage, though if you have another image to test that nobody has rsynced yet, then prefer that one.
[16:28] <slangasek> ubuntu DVD will be up shortly, though I can't get it posted to the tracker yet, either
[16:29] <fader_> stgraber: Roger; I'll poke at it until the DVD is up
[16:29] <ara> ok, thanks
[16:32] <stgraber> ETA of 35min before Edubuntu i386 is fully tested
[16:35] <brianherman> can i help?
[16:35] <BonezAU> rofl
[16:36] <brianherman> omg
[16:36] <SirVictory> haha one person posts this channel name in #ubuntu-release-party and a flood of people join
[16:36] <will`> lol
[16:36] <Avasz> haha
[16:36] <HAL9K> MUST FOLLOW THE HORDE
[16:36] <Avasz> SirVictory: tryue true
[16:36] <Avasz> this is ubuntu horde
[16:36] <brianherman> Brainz
[16:36] <brianherman> we are the collective
[16:36] <bdmurray> We are actually try to work and coordinate ubuntu iso testing here
[16:36] <will`> give us ubuntu otherwise we'll moan on forums or something
[16:37]  * HAL9K thought bill gates was the borg
[16:37] <Avasz> All hail Ubuntu!!!
[16:37] <ckwalsh> Mind if we quietly watch said testing?
[16:37] <bdmurray> quietly is great
[16:37] <Avasz> ok
[16:38]  * Avasz  (~Freenode@unaffiliated/avasz) has left #ubuntu-testing :P
[16:39] <bdmurray> are xubuntu or mythbuntu ready for testing?
[16:39]  * rae quietly watches
[16:39] <fader_> bdmurray: I don't think mythbuntu is being respun
[16:39] <charlie-tca> xubuntu is not yet
[16:39] <bdmurray> fader_: cool, that wasn't entirely clear to me
[16:39] <brianherman> We should have a progress bar for ubuntu
[16:39] <slangasek> Ubuntu DVD ETA < 10 min; xubuntu eta < 30min
[16:40] <fader_> bdmurray: I saw something in #ubuntu-release but let me confirm
[16:40] <slangasek> tracker ETA... dunno
[16:40] <cjwatson> bdmurray: we were planning to at one point, but it turns out it's unaffected
[16:40] <cjwatson> (mythbuntu)
[16:40] <fader_> cjwatson: thanks, saves me from trolling through logs :)
[16:40] <cjwatson> xubuntu isn't ready yet, it's building at the moment
[16:41] <slangasek> Ubuntu DVD up - 20100429, not available from the tracker yet
[16:41] <cjwatson> i386 squashfs has built, amd64 is still going
[16:41] <Daviey> fader_: Would it be wrong of me to say, if you are bored - feel free to test it anyway? :)
[16:41] <fader_> Daviey: Not at all, though I'd prefer to focus on the new images.  Plus I ran all the test cases for that image already so I wouldn't expect any different results from me :)
[16:42]  * Daviey expects fader_ to be far from bored already :)
[16:42] <fader_> Hehe
[16:42] <fader_> Never a dull moment, etc.
[16:46] <davmor2> ubu_32 pass on auto-resize and manual
[16:46] <slangasek> iso tracker is back
[16:46] <slangasek> ogasawara: ^^
[16:48] <ogasawara> slangasek: thanks
[16:49] <slangasek> but perhaps people should leave some bandwidth for me to use in posting the candidates... :)
[16:49] <fader_> Heh
[17:00] <slangasek> tracker up-to-date, at last
[17:01] <davmor2> slangasek: it might be but I stall can't access half of it how is netbook looking?
[17:01] <slangasek> davmor2: netbook is done
[17:02] <slangasek> xubuntu desktop up
[17:02] <slangasek> and that's it for respins
[17:03] <digitaloktay> ubuntu studio ?
[17:03]  * fader_ starts some DVD amd64 tests.
[17:03] <davmor2> digitaloktay: only affects live cd's
[17:04] <itsdaveperdue> I heard there was a tracker up? am I late to the party? heh
[17:05] <BonezAU> anyone have the tracker url
[17:05] <slangasek> I don't think this is the tracker you're looking for
[17:06] <davmor2> these aren't the trackers we looking for, move along, move along
[17:06] <itsdaveperdue> move along...move along...
[17:06] <davmor2> woo slangasek to much starwars
[17:07] <itsdaveperdue> irc...ubuntu...linux...star wars...what do you expect?
[17:08] <itsdaveperdue> so no tracker then? haha
[17:11]  * ara syncs ubuntu dvd i386, let see how it goes
[17:11] <pedro_> the DVD i386 is not up yet? I'm getting 404 with the links of the tracker
[17:12] <fader_> pedro_: Worked for me
[17:12] <fader_> From cdimage
[17:12] <pedro_> fader_, amd64 works here but no the i386
[17:12] <davmor2> fader_: from cdimage or the us mirror of cdimage
[17:13]  * charlie-tca rsynced the xubuntu 386 cd
[17:13] <fader_> davmor2: From the UK site... I'm in the Lex office so I "look like" I'm in the UK to the Internet today
[17:13] <pedro_> they showed up now on cdimage
[17:13] <davmor2> charlie-tca: I don't think it's up yet dude
[17:13] <pedro_> it took a while
 xubuntu desktop up
[17:14] <charlie-tca> 10 minutes ago
[17:14] <davmor2> charlie-tca: well spotted dude missed that in all the excitement
[17:15] <charlie-tca> Yup, You're just slow today ;-)
[17:15] <fader_> "today"?
[17:15] <fader_> O:-)
[17:16]  * davmor2 stabs fader_ with an anvil if the pointy end don't kill you the weight will ;)
[17:21] <ara> so, dvd i386 is not there?
[17:21] <cyphermox> ara: it is
[17:21] <cyphermox> I'm zsyncing it right now
[17:21] <fader_> +1; it showed up a few minutes after amd64 for me
[17:22] <cyphermox> takes forever to reach me, but it's syncing :)
[17:22]  * ara tries to zsync again
[17:22] <sbeattie> argh, zsync just aborted and toasted my xubuntu amd64 iso image.
[17:28] <irv> so just to confirm, the i386 and amd64 isos are both respun before rls today?
[17:29] <marjo> anybody testing ubuntu dvd i386? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4170
[17:29] <ara> marjo, I am syncing it now
[17:29] <fader_> marjo: I have it sync'd and can hit it after the amd64 DVD if nobody else hits it first
[17:29] <ara> ETA 12min
[17:30] <ara> (for syncing)
[17:30] <fader_> Heh, it'll take me more than 12m to finish amd64
[17:33] <moustafa> I haven't sync'd since last week, so it'll take me some time before I can get the DVD ready from here
[17:33] <fader_> moustafa: Hey dude!
[17:33] <moustafa> hey fader_ !
[17:33] <moustafa> Sorry I haven't been around much, I had some sorting to do
[17:34] <marjo> moustafa: welcome to the party!
[17:34] <moustafa> In fact, if things go well, cr3 and I will be able to have lunch together, and this time I'll be paying it :D
[17:34] <moustafa> Thank you, marjo :)
[17:34] <marjo> can you help out w/ some testing?
[17:35] <moustafa> No probs
[17:35] <moustafa> I'm syncing the images as we speak
[17:35] <marjo> nice
[17:35] <marjo> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/untested
[17:35] <fader_> Nice, I'm no longer getting squashfs errors after install
[17:36] <moustafa> I had my sister install UNR on her new netbook, she likes it
[17:36] <marjo> moustafa: great to hear that
[17:37] <ara> dvd i386 download eta 6min
[17:37] <ara> please don't time out now... pretty please
[17:38] <moustafa> marjo: Honestly, I wasn't sure what her reaction would be (she's a Ubuntu Desktop user already), but she likes it
[17:41] <pratik> Can anybody tell me when is lynx releasing? it was scheduled today, but still not available...!!!!
[17:41] <irv> what's the final filesize of the amd64 image anyone?
[17:41] <irv> pratik: anytime today
[17:41] <bdmurray> its still today here ;-)
[17:41] <moustafa> pratik: The ISOs are being remixed, so it's been delayed a bit
[17:41] <moustafa> Should still be out today
[17:42] <pratik> Thanx... I am eager to download it.... :)
[17:42] <moustafa> We all are.  Just gotta be patient
[17:53] <fader_> There's no test case for it, but should we be testing resize installs with the DVD?
[17:53] <itsdaveperdue> pratik lynx is in the repos...fantastic browser
[17:54] <moustafa> itsdaveperdue: pratik left the room
[17:55] <itsdaveperdue> oh...well I thought it was funny
[17:55] <itsdaveperdue> that's the case with most of my humor
[17:55]  * charlie-tca thought it was funny too
[17:56] <fader_> lynx vs. w3m can be the vi vs. emacs of the future
[17:57] <sbeattie> w3m-img makes that a no-brainer choice. :-)
[17:57] <cyphermox> sbeattie, pfftt!!! then you still get all the ads!
[17:58] <sbeattie> cyphermox: that's fixed... elsewhere.
[17:58]  * ara syncs xubuntu i386
[17:58] <davmor2> still can't get at the tracker how's things looking
[17:58] <moustafa> I prefer lynx simply because it's lighter
[17:59] <charlie-tca> ara: done
[17:59] <ara> charlie-tca, ok :)
[17:59] <stgraber> davmor2: really ? it's very fast here
[17:59] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[17:59] <charlie-tca> working on the 64bit xubuntu now
[18:00] <marjo> folks: could use help w/ http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4171
[18:00] <moustafa> I'm syncing the DVD images.  Reading the seed is long, though, but that's to be expected
[18:01] <fader_> marjo: Pulling down the image now; eta 15m
[18:01] <marjo> fader_ thx
[18:02] <marjo> ameetp, hggdh: have spare cycles on your amd64s?
[18:04] <hggdh> marjo: guess so, what is needed?
[18:04] <marjo> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4171
[18:04] <marjo> bladernr: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4171 help?
[18:06] <sbeattie> marjo: zsync helpfully toasted that image for me; it'll require a full image download for me over my slow dsl line.
[18:06] <marjo> sbeattie: yeah i saw that earlier; sorry about that
[18:07] <hggdh> marjo: I can do the second and fourth, cannot do the first and wubi
[18:07] <hggdh> downloading xubuntu now
[18:08] <davmor2> dling now
[18:08] <marjo> hggdh: ok; i've asked davmor2 to help out w/ wubi
[18:10] <moustafa> Ok, fetching Xubuntu AMD64 at the same time
[18:10] <bladernr> marjo I can try... I was trying to zsync the DVD images and hit those, but they appear to only be available on cdimages which is being roasted right now.
[18:10] <marjo> bladernr: ok thx for trying
[18:10] <moustafa> Estimated time 27 minutes...
[18:10] <moustafa> Less now
[18:11] <bladernr> moustafa:  for dvd?  lucky... mine got stuck :(
[18:11]  * bladernr kills zsync and looks to xubuntu instead
[18:11]  * sbeattie is testing the ubuntu amd64 dvds right now.
[18:11] <moustafa> bladernr: Actually, no I'm still zsyncing the DVD.  I am, however, downthemall'ing Xubuntu, which is at around 14 minutes now
[18:12] <bladernr> moustafa:  ahh... heh... my zsync for DVD said 500 hours to go :(
[18:12] <moustafa> lol
[18:13] <charlie-tca> heh, it only takes me two hours to download it
[18:13] <bladernr>  91.2% 1.4 kBps
[18:13] <hggdh> marjo: xubuntu/daily-live and ./daily do not have images for today
[18:14] <fader_> Okay, managed to get xubuntu downloaded but I can't test wubi due to lack of windows here :)
[18:14] <slangasek> hggdh: only daily-live should
[18:14] <fader_> I'll try the live stuff but persistence has never worked for me in vbox
[18:15] <bladernr> fader_:  persistence pays off in the end ;-)
[18:15] <charlie-tca> hggdh: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20100429/
[18:15] <sbeattie> fader_: eh? persistence has worked for me in vbox; I just create a small 2nd disk image and partition/label it to taste.
[18:15] <moustafa> I have winxp in a virtual install
[18:15] <fader_> sbeattie: Should it be a vfat partition or ext?
[18:16] <sbeattie> ext
[18:16] <fader_> sbeattie: Okay, thanks... I'll give it another shot.  I haven't tried in a couple of releases :)
[18:17] <hggdh> ah they just appeared
[18:17] <sbeattie> fader_: yeah, it's not an ideal test situation, as there may be differences in treatment by the kernel/installer of usb disks versus sata/ide.
[18:17]  * fader_ nods.
[18:18] <fader_> I figured that's the sort of thing that's generally better tested on real hardware
[18:18] <sbeattie> yeah
[18:22]  * davmor2 hits wubi
[18:23] <marjo> davmor2: go, man, go!
[18:24] <moustafa> davmor2: Be gentle now
[18:25] <davmor2> moustafa: NO! it should be strong enough to take a wailing from this sledgehammer :D
[18:26] <moustafa> davmor2: We're talking about windows here  ;)
[18:26] <moustafa> davmor2:  It can't even handle a needle
[18:26] <davmor2> moustafa: I got a really big hammer for that oh and a 5 story drop ;)
[18:27] <bgunter> Thanks to all for your work.
[18:29] <moustafa> davmo2: I prefer using m'jolnir...from space
[18:29] <bennie> thank you all
[18:29] <MTecknology> 10.04 officially out..
[18:29] <MTecknology>  yay
[18:30] <pace_t_zulu> MTecknology: link?
[18:30] <MTecknology> ubuntu.com ?
[18:30] <pace_t_zulu> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1004overview
[18:30] <jpds> pace_t_zulu: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2010-April/000133.html
[18:30] <marjo> charlie-tca, bladernr, mtrudel: what's your eta to finish?
[18:30] <pace_t_zulu> thanks guys
[18:30] <MTecknology> oh, that link- sorry
[18:31] <ckw> Thank you to all of you guys for the works you put in!
[18:31] <charlie-tca> I show two tests need to be done yet in xubuntu 64. I can have them in 30-45 minutes
[18:31] <BonezAU> yup its up on the mailing list now too
[18:31] <fader_> charlie-tca: I just started on the auto-resize test
[18:31] <moustafa> But the website hasn't been updated
[18:31] <fader_> Updating the tracker now
[18:31] <fader_> Whoops
[18:32] <fader_> Heh, you got that one finished :)
[18:32] <bladernr> marjo:  ?? 15 - 20 minutes maybe? Waiting on packages to install
[18:32] <charlie-tca> oops. I was wrong. it looks like wubi and entire disk are left
[18:32] <marjo> bladernr: ok, thx
[18:32] <marjo> charlie-tca: davmor2's got wubi's covered
[18:33] <charlie-tca> and two people are running the entire disk test. That will be all of them
[18:33] <marjo> charlie-tca: ack
[18:33] <moustafa> And I realized I was downloading the alternate image :/
[18:33] <charlie-tca> Thanks, everybody, for the help
[18:35] <moustafa> It appears that I've recently breached the 18% mark for the DVD...so I guess I won't be doing that today
[18:35] <davmor2> one down one to go
[18:41] <slangasek> tgm4883: http://mythbuntu.org/10.04/release - please publish
[18:42] <davmor2> and that's 2
[18:42] <marjo> davmor2: thx!
[18:42] <marjo> waiting on mtrudel & bladernr for 100%
[18:42] <moustafa> Ok, starting Xubuntu Wubi installer
[18:43] <davmor2> moustafa: done
[18:43] <moustafa> davmor2: Curse you!  Well, I'll do it anyway, so that I can at least contribute to something
[18:44] <marjo> moustafa: that's the spirit!
[18:44] <davmor2> moustafa: you should of seen me when I was on full sprint I was getting cursed all the time
[18:44] <moustafa> davmor2: Incidentally, how are you?
[18:45] <davmor2> nakered and busy now :)
[18:45] <moustafa> davmor2: Then you must have a seven leaf clover handy
[18:45] <moustafa> davmor2: Awesome
[18:46] <moustafa>  rig...I think my AMD dual core is wishing it was an Intel i7 right about now...
[18:47] <bladernr> moustafa:  my Intel i7 quad-core currently has 2 cores pegged at 100% and is probably wishing it was an 8-core
[18:47] <moustafa> bladernr: Good point
[18:48] <tgm4883> slangasek, ok thanks
[18:52] <tgm4883> slangasek, ok published, you should see it now
[18:52] <ameetp> marjo: sorry for the delay, amd64 image is downloading now...
[18:52] <tgm4883> slangasek, is there a link i can get the torrents from, I like to post them on the site
[18:54] <bladernr> marjo:  Full Disk Xubuntu 64 done and passed
[18:54] <tgm4883> slangasek, is http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1004overview still the right link back?
[18:54] <marjo> bladernr: you did it! you're the winner!
[18:54] <bladernr> w00t
[18:55] <marjo> thank you everyone! 100% test image coverage
[18:55] <cyphermox> woohoo
[18:55] <marjo> congratulations and thanks for all your hard work!
[18:55] <bladernr> now I just need to blow the smoke out of my laptop
[18:55] <marjo> woohoo! is right
[18:55] <charlie-tca> Thanks, bladernr
[18:55] <moustafa> Wubi Xubuntu 64 in a virtual machine install is freezing :/
[18:56] <bladernr> moustafa:  wubi doesn't work so well in VMs
[18:57] <bladernr> moustafa:  bug 557448
[18:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 557448 in wubi "[Lucid Beta2] Wubi hangs on first reboot after installing inside windows on amd64 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/557448
[18:58] <bladernr> It's worked fine for davmor2 on bare metal, but fader and myself could never get it to work in VMs, and I think it's most likely just VM wonkiness than a Wubi issue
[18:59] <moustafa> bladernr: From the looks of it, it's likely a VM thing.  Has this been tested against different VMs?
[18:59] <davmor2> moustafa: muhahahaha you fell foul of that old china ;)
[18:59] <bladernr> moustafa:  AFAIK, only on VirtualBox, but I'm not positive that's what fader's running
[18:59] <moustafa> davmor2: If things go smoothly, I'll eventually be able to have an actual machine to do my testing on by next release
[19:00] <moustafa> bkadernr: I think fader_ uses KVM
[19:00] <fader_> Nope, been using virtualbox
[19:00] <bladernr> woot!  xubuntu just did a triple-boot config (WinXP/Ubuntu/Xubuntu)
[19:00] <fader_> But I've never tested wubi
[19:00]  * bladernr needs to look into KVM
[19:00] <bladernr> ooops, sorry, shouldn't blame fader_ in this case.. sbeattie was trying in VBox too
[19:02] <moustafa> So, this may be VBox specific
[19:03] <bladernr> indeed.  after things settle down I'm going to look at doing a proper KVM setup, but VBox was quick and dirty, and useful
[19:03] <bladernr> may also look at putting VMWare on as well
[19:04] <charlie-tca> I'll stay with VBox
[19:05] <hggdh> darn! testdrive does not understand the difference between xubuntu and ubuntu! Just blew my xubuntu ISO :-(
[19:05] <fader_> bladernr: How about you use vbox, install kvm inside of that, and vmware inside of that?
[19:05] <bladernr> fader_:  honestly, that's crazy enough it COULD work
[19:06] <moustafa> bladernr: Then you could try alternating your setups
[19:06]  * bladernr HAS installed Xen, created a Full Virt VM in Xen, and installed Xen on the VM, and then created a VM inside the Xen VM inside the Xen host
[19:06] <bladernr> ^^ almost led to the catastrophe that was predicted when the LHD was fired up
[19:07] <fader_> bladernr: That could cause a black hole and destroy the universe
[19:07] <moustafa> Hey!  someone just finished doing a similar setup!
[19:07] <moustafa> http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html
[19:08] <bladernr> Well, let's say this Twinkie represents the normal amount of psychokinetic energy in the New York area. Based on this morning's sample, it would be a Twinkie... thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds.
[19:08] <bladernr> errr... and ^^^ should be LHC no LHD
[19:09] <bladernr> moustafa:  that's awesome
[19:13] <moustafa> bladernr: I used to show that to people when the LHC was first launched
[19:15] <bladernr> it reminds me a lot of the Di-Hydrogen Monoxide thing http://www.dhmo.org/
[19:15] <slangasek> tgm4883: looks good, thanks!
[19:15] <slangasek> thanks all for your help testing!
[19:15] <marjo> bye all! congrats & thx again!
[19:15] <fader_> marjo: Have fun!  Congrats to you as well!
[19:16] <davmor2> marjo: get cjwatson a drink for me
[19:16] <moustafa> Bye marjo !
[19:17] <tgm4883> slangasek, what about the torrents and link back?
[19:17] <tgm4883> slangasek, is http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1004overview still the right link back?
[19:17] <tgm4883> cause that page still lists rc
[19:58] <moustafa> Well, everyone, I'm off
[19:58] <moustafa> Take care all
[23:32] <sysErroR> -.-'
[23:32] <CompuNerd> there we go.
[23:33] <CompuNerd> I was told to contact you about joining the testing team?
[23:33] <CompuNerd> Well, contact this channel.