[11:21] <kahrytan> DarkED: http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/
[11:21] <sauvin> sean071307, welcome to linux. TIMTOWTDI. (There's More Than One Way To Do It)
[11:21] <Sithe> LiberCogito: guess not
[11:21] <Sithe> LiberCogito: ill check their website for a support hotline
[11:22] <sean071307> i know there is, sauvin, but i told him opengl is working, which means hardware accel is too =]
[11:22] <Javid> I remember there being some command to rip a CD to an ISO directly, was that right?
[11:22] <sean071307> but thanks for the second way of doing it =]
[11:22] <kahrytan> DarkED: Did you install it?
[11:22] <sean071307> javid, dd works for that, as one way
[11:22] <perpetual> eternalswd, interesting... I always found that basing which app to use on the extension alone too limiting. There is this wonderful program called "file" which surely could be used to figure out what app to use on a file.
[11:22] <LiberCogito> Sithe: www.cedega.com/support
[11:22] <sauvin> Javid, yes. I use dd.
[11:22] <Sithe> I like how Javid even CONSIDERS asking another question while my WoW still isn't working!  Thanks though.
[11:23] <Sithe> sauvin: Inglish plz?
[11:23] <kahrytan> DarkED: Ditto here.
[11:23] <DarkED> kahrytan, but i already had it before
[11:23] <DarkED> it just wasnt working for some reason
[11:23] <sauvin> That WAS English!
[11:23] <sean071307> lol, sithe, calm down much?
[11:23] <Sithe> sauvin: and it means?
[11:23] <Smirker_> hey.  is there a package to download the C header files (like stdio.h) so my compiler will work ;p
[11:23] <ayoeb> Hallo !
[11:23] <kahrytan> DarkED: It needs Notification area for icon
[11:24] <sean071307> hey sithe, m-w.com ;)
[11:24] <sauvin> It means you need to take a break and run off to www.dictionary.com and learn some more English.
[11:24] <sean071307> hey ayoeb
[11:24] <DarkED> kahrytan, yes, i know, i already HAD notification area
[11:24] <sauvin> Who was asking about ripping a CD?
[11:24] <perpetual> Sithe is having withdrawal symptoms?
[11:24] <Sithe> (no longer in technical use) a psychosis characterized by thoughts confined to one idea or group of ideas.
[11:24] <LiberCogito> perpetual: looks more like PMS.
[11:24] <Sithe> ...........................................................
[11:24] <kahrytan> DarkED: Im glad it works now
[11:24] <Myrtti> !offtopic
[11:24] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[11:24] <DarkED> kahrytan, me too
[11:25] <sean071307> Javid
[11:25] <sean071307> sauvin.
[11:25] <sean071307> lol, apparenlty perpetual ;)
[11:25] <dresden> hello can somebody help me, i want to make my current partition (im using right now) smaller (so i may make it free space)
[11:25] <Sithe> sauvin: So you think I have phychosis?
[11:25] <dresden> i went into gnome partition editor and i cannot make the current volume smaller because my OS is on it
[11:25] <dresden> somebody help?
[11:25] <LiberCogito> dresden: Go to add remove and type in partition
[11:25] <dresden> ok
[11:25] <sean071307> dresden, try gparted, it is amazing for that
[11:25] <kahrytan> dresden: Boot from cd.
[11:25] <sauvin> dd if=/dev/cdrom0 of=myfile.iso
[11:25] <dresden> ok tguys thank youso much
[11:25] <LiberCogito> dresden: download gnome partition editor, or gparted.
[11:26] <dresden> awesome i will do that thank you
[11:26] <Sithe> sauvin: Actually i could give a damn about WoW. Its the fact that i spend $15 on a product that doesn't work
[11:26] <sean071307> or qtparted too
[11:26] <dresden> i will try from CD if does not work
[11:26] <dresden> thank you all soo much
[11:26] <kahrytan> dresden: Can't change a mounted partition.
[11:26] <LiberCogito> Sithe: So complain to the people that can make it work.
[11:26] <sean071307> then sithe, try contacting the comp, not a free support
[11:26] <Javid> man what
[11:26] <dresden> yeah thats what my prob is
[11:26] <sauvin> You spent $15 on what, precisely?
[11:26] <sean071307> exactly liber
[11:26] <Sithe> sean071307 change please. its hard to type
[11:26] <tulga> I need install initscripts 2.86.ds1-38.1 on gutsy. where is deb?
[11:26] <kahrytan> dresden: So boot form Live CD. and make changes from there
[11:26] <LiberCogito> Sithe: Quit being such an AOL member.
[11:26] <sean071307> change what?
[11:26] <dresden> OK guess i have to thanks
[11:26] <icanic> hi there
[11:26] <dresden> i will do that!! :)
[11:26] <sauvin> Your nick. Sithe apparently doesn't believe in his tab key.
[11:27] <icanic> can someone help me with installation of envys driver
[11:27] <dresden> will Gparted know not to make current data  into free space??
[11:27] <perpetual> Question: How do I make gnome-screensaver span two monitors, instead of displaying two separate screensavers on each monitor? I use nvidia drivers with twinview.
[11:27] <sean071307> haha, nope
[11:27] <sean071307> i like mine
[11:27] <Sithe> sauvin: I dont git it...
[11:27] <LiberCogito> !gutsy | Tulga
[11:27] <ubotu> Tulga: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[11:27] <dresden> does gparted know only to make empty data free space right??
[11:27] <sean071307> perpetual, there's a good tut on that in the ubuntu forums
[11:27] <sean071307> yes dresden, which you can then make into a part
[11:27] <jengc0il> hello
[11:27] <Sithe> I IZ A NUB TO LINUX
[11:27] <dresden> awesome thnak you i will go now
[11:27] <dresden> thank you #ubuntu
[11:27] <icanic> I can't install envy nvidia driver
[11:27] <perpetual> sean071307, please point me the way, I've been searching the whole afternoon
[11:28] <robert_> has|does the latest version of OpenOffice.org (ever) made X take a permanent vacation for anybody?
[11:28] <sean071307> perpetual, i'll link you
[11:28] <icanic> someon help?
[11:28] <sauvin> And the $15 you're so sore about losing is an ubuntu livecd?
[11:28] <icanic> I'm new
[11:28] <Sithe> I kinda think I spice this IRC up a bit
[11:28] <rudy_1> good morning
[11:28] <sean071307> morning rudy
[11:28] <LiberCogito> sauvin: No, he paid to GET SUPPORT from transgaming.  But instead of using it, he's bitching here bceause he apparently has the intelligence of an AOL member.
[11:28] <sauvin> OooOo... a CONCEITED monomaniac!
[11:28] <ramy__> hi all. i have this error message "Could not find information on interface 'eth0:avahi' in /proc/net/dev"
[11:29] <sean071307> lmao i love you liber
[11:29] <Sithe> OMFG WOW WORKS
[11:29] <sean071307> hi ramy
[11:29] <rudy_1> I have installed the java run time machine jre1.5 and created the symbolic link into the mozilla/plugins directory
[11:29] <Leo1989> hi2all
[11:29] <sean071307> hey leo
[11:29] <sauvin> LiberCogito, congratulations. I didn't think it could be done. You've just insulted AOL membership.
[11:29] <sean071307> lmao
[11:29] <rudy_1> then when i start the browser it crashes systematically
[11:29] <sean071307> yaaaaaaay aol
[11:29] <rudy_1> anyone can help me pls?
[11:29] <sean071307> i think me and liber are the only one's who truely appreciate that comment though ;)
[11:29] <Leo1989> I have Ubuntu Fiesty. How to bring up VPN?
[11:30] <LiberCogito> sauvin: No, I really haven't.  I used to work AOL support.  Someone once called me because the caller ID on their multiuse printer wasn't working.
[11:30] <sean071307> rudy, try deleting the sym links and re-creating
[11:30] <icanic> someone
[11:30] <icanic> it's just 5 mins
[11:30] <sean071307> i got one about "my tv doesn't work"
[11:30] <sauvin> you'd have to have been on the Nets in '93 when AOL unleashed the floodgates from hell, I suppose.
[11:30] <sean071307> icanic, problem again?
[11:30] <icanic> Cant install envy drivers
[11:30] <XimDev> ubuntu tasksel question
[11:30] <LiberCogito> sauvin: I was 8 in 93.  :-p
[11:30] <icanic> some files are mising but dont know why
[11:30] <sauvin> LiberCogito, how many calls did you get about broken coffee cup holders?
[11:30] <XimDev> will tasksel install the latest packages?
[11:31] <robert_> LiberCogito, I was 10. :P
[11:31] <sean071307> Xim, it should
[11:31] <LiberCogito> sauvin: I never got that one!  But I got alot of random other non software related crap.
[11:31] <sean071307> lmao, sauvin was that you calling in ;)
[11:31] <Sithe> I would like to thank sauvin, sean071307, and perpetual for their help. Thankies. I made cupcakez anyone of yooh want some?
[11:31] <sean071307> i do Sithe!!!
[11:31] <LiberCogito> sauvin: Best call ever was what's my email address.  The woman could not find the period key.  She didn't know what a ? was either.
[11:32] <sauvin> I was... um... 35? AOL suddenly breaking into the usenet, IRC and everywhere else with their loud strident dumber-than-mules attitudes was nothing short of dismaying.  For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[11:33] <sean071307> !fr lol
[11:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fr lol - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:33] <GothCloud> sauvin: AOL BROKE into usenet?
[11:33] <LiberCogito> sean071307: can we go smoke now?
[11:33] <Sithe> sauvin: what were those sudo commands you had me run again? Ima put them in a text document if it comes up again
[11:33] <sean071307> i agree
[11:33] <sean071307> brb pplz
[11:33] <Sithe> err or sean
[11:34] <sauvin> GothCloud, yea. I was there the very day it happened. I mean, they came in HORDES.
[11:34] <GothCloud> sauvin: What happened?
[11:34] <sauvin> Sithe, I didn't give you the sudo commands because I don't remember what they were.
[11:34] <icani1> sean?
[11:34] <Sithe> sauvin: I think it was sean
[11:34] <fqhuy> xin cho! c ngi vit nam no  y khng nh
[11:34] <sauvin> GothCloud, here's a visual: Hell's Angels crashing the party at Carnegie Hall.
[11:35] <icani1> can someone help me with the envy thing? please! /beg
[11:35] <sauvin> Envy? Isn't that some kind of automated install script?
[11:35] <icani1> yes
[11:36] <sauvin> Even if I could, I'd refuse to help you trash your system.
[11:36] <icani1> omg
[11:36] <icani1> the help me how not to trash it :-)
[11:36] <sauvin> Don't use envy.
[11:36] <icani1> *then
[11:36] <icani1> yea, but how to install the drivers manually
[11:37] <Geek_> !envy
[11:37] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[11:37] <Geek_> note what it says ;)
[11:37] <icani1> it never break-ed it
[11:38] <icani1> but now I can't install the drivers with it
[11:38] <icani1> it says that the files are missing
[11:38] <Sithe> sean!
[11:38] <icani1> but I would install it manualy if someone tell me how
[11:38] <sauvin> What are the drivers?
[11:39] <Sithe> SEANNN
[11:39] <rudy_1> my mozilla firefox stil crashes after installing the java real time machine
[11:39] <fqhuy> are there any way to make a "shortcut" for an executable file with a custom Icon
[11:39] <rudy_1> is it a known issue or is it something special forme?
[11:39] <icani1> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.11-pkg1.run
[11:40] <sauvin> Sithe, have a look at this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[11:41] <sauvin> fghuy, yes, there is.
[11:41] <sauvin> fghuy, are you using KDE?
[11:41] <fqhuy> Gnome
[11:41] <icani1> sauvin?
[11:41] <sauvin> Mmkay, what I'm about to tell you may or may not fit you perfectly: where you want your icon to appear, RIGHT CLICK.
[11:42] <icani1> you asked me what the drivers are?
[11:42] <sauvin> you'll probably be presented with a number of options, including "New..."
[11:42] <sauvin> icani1, yes. What drivers are you trying to install?
[11:42] <icani1> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.11-pkg1.run
[11:42] <RivaeAerya> Guys, i followed this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion guide to install compiz fusion but that broke all my apt-get, see here: http://rafb.net/p/jiiBpD49.html . Can you guys help me fix it?
[11:42] <sauvin> What the blue-streaked peeping fudge is a .run file!?
[11:43] <icani1> I have downloadet it from nvidia
[11:43] <Javid> I would bet you messed up /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:43] <icani1> it says driver
[11:43] <Javid> Google for a default one for your distro and replace it with that
[11:43] <fqhuy> sauvin: yes
[11:43] <Javid> RivaeAerya: See above
[11:43] <sauvin> It probably is, but I have NO damned idea how to unpackage it. have you tried the synaptics repos?
[11:43] <perpetual> sean071307, I'm searching the ubuntu forums. can I have that link you mentioned please?
[11:43] <icani1> nope
[11:44] <icani1> I'm new so
[11:44] <rudy_1> I think i hage installed already
[11:44] <rudy_1> this nvidia file
[11:44] <icani1> how
[11:44] <icani1> ?
[11:44] <rudy_1> have you read the intallation tips?
[11:44] <Javid> RivaeAerya, I followed the same guide and it worked fine, so you probably erred in some way.
[11:44] <sauvin> fghuy, so you can honk on "Link to application...", create the link and edit it for things like "start in directory", the name of the application itself, and et cetera.
[11:44] <icani1> it's only for suse
[11:44] <rudy_1> u have to change something in teh X config file
[11:44] <Javid> RivaeAerya: can you pastebin the entire contents of /etc/apt/sources.list?
[11:44] <RivaeAerya> Javid: http://rafb.net/p/YMZAJr40.html
[11:45] <sauvin> icani1, try System->Synaptics Package Manager (your exact links may vary; I'm using KDE, not gnome)
[11:45] <fqhuy> sauvin: thanks
[11:45] <xconspirisist> hey. I am trying to get an external hdd working. It appears in /var/log/messages, just saying "found new high speed usb device", but how do I know what uuid/block dev has been assigned to it?
[11:45] <Javid> Huh. That appears in order. I'd still try finding a default one for Edgy
[11:46] <sauvin> xconspirisist, what operating system are you using?
[11:46] <xconspirisist> sauvin: Ubuntu 7.04.
[11:46] <sauvin> What kind of external hdd?
[11:46] <xconspirisist> It's just a USB Western Digital one...?
[11:47] <Javid> RivaeAerya: http://www.debianadmin.com/ubuntu-edgy-eft-complete-sourceslist-repository-list-file.html
[11:47] <icani1> sauvin, I can't select it there
[11:47] <Javid> Wait, that one's way not default. Ignore me.
[11:47] <sauvin> Mmkay, you probably don't even need to futz with device numbers and such like. If your USB HDD is plugged in, navigate to /media and see what's there.
[11:47] <RivaeAerya> Javid: Feisty here
[11:47] <Javid> Oh, hang on then.
[11:48] <sauvin> On my feisty, the two partitions on my usb hdd are "disk" and "disk-1" mountpoints.
[11:48] <inqui> hi all,  AUDIO: how to find which is in kernel:  OSS or ALSA .... and how to simulate OSS on ALSA  ?
[11:48] <xconspirisist> There are a couple of directories that may have been made (sdh1, sdi1), but they're empty, and mount, and fdisk -l do not list the drive.
[11:48] <sauvin> inqui, before anybody tries to answer that, why do you ask?
[11:49] <sauvin> xconspirisist, unplug the drive and plug it back in.
[11:49] <inqui> sauvin:  i want to run wine in better performance
[11:49] <Javid> RivaeAerya: http://extraball.sunsite.dk/notepad.php?ID=388738
[11:49] <xconspirisist> sauvin: Have done.
[11:49] <inqui> what is your mounting problem?
[11:49] <xconspirisist> inqui: I want to try and get an external hdd working.
[11:49] <sauvin> xconspirisist, did your dm pop up a window or two saying "new hardware found" or somesuch?
[11:50] <inqui> xconspirisist:  whats the matter?
[11:50] <sean071307> kk back gys
[11:50] <xconspirisist> I don't run an xserver on this box.
[11:50] <sauvin> ARGH.
[11:50] <xconspirisist> inqui: I want to know what uuid/block device it has been assigned.
[11:50] <inqui> lol
[11:50] <inqui> okay
[11:50] <inqui> just a moment
[11:50] <sauvin> Mmkay... what about lsusb?
[11:50] <inqui> got same problem yesterday
[11:51] <xconspirisist> lsub shows various Bus 00x, device 001, id 0000:0000, etc.
[11:51] <inqui> xconspirisist:  ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[11:51] <inqui> try thisone
[11:51] <xconspirisist> Yeah, that just lists all the uuids of the uuid's on my system?
[11:51] <Aye|> Does anyone know how to get ubuntu to BOOT with my nvidia geforce 6200, because it will only boot with my onboard card, but once X is loaded it will use my PCI graphics card.
[11:51] <sauvin> xconspirisist, do any of the lsusb lines contain the string "western"?
[11:51] <inqui> xcon try it
[11:51] <xconspirisist> sauvin: They do not.
[11:52] <xconspirisist> inqui: Yeah. lots of uuids.
[11:52] <sean071307> xconspirists, if i may ask, what's the problem again?
[11:52] <sauvin> I had this problem a few days ago, and for me, it was a bad cable.
[11:52] <sauvin> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 1058:0901 Western Digital Technologies, Inc.
[11:52] <xconspirisist> sean071307: I am trying to get an external hdd working.  I've got over 8 hdd's on this system. :/
[11:53] <inqui> macke ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ and then remove disc - do again ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/  and the one that is missing was ur external disc
[11:53] <sean071307> xconspirist do you know what device it is?
[11:53] <hershey> i need some help
[11:53] <sean071307> my usb hd, if not plugged in on install, does not recieve a uuid
[11:53] <xconspirisist> sean071307: Yeah, it's an external WD caddy stroke hard drive.
[11:53] <sean071307> hershey, what's up?
[11:53] <sauvin> hershey, I need some sleep. Hurry up and ask already!
[11:53] <xconspirisist> sean071307: Ah, that's interesting.
[11:53] <inqui> xconspirisist:  did you get my proposal?
[11:54] <sean071307> hang on, let me check something for you xconspirist, i'm plugging in my wd now
[11:54] <xconspirisist> inqui: Yes.  :( You don't know what you're on about.
[11:55] <rudy_1> my problem with firefox and java is solved: it was a link to the wrong java-compiler (ns7-gcc instead of ns7...)
[11:55] <sauvin> hershey, my understanding is that ubuntu server does not include GUI.
[11:55] <gordonjcp> inqui: any kernel released in the past five years at least uses ALSA
[11:55] <sean071307> Thailand**
[11:55] <hershey> how do i get the gui up, someone help
[11:55] <gordonjcp> inqui: OSS is dead
[11:55] <rudy_1> thanks everyone!
[11:55] <gordonjcp> inqui: OSS has been dead for about 10 years
[11:55] <inqui> gordonjcp:  mmm and how to activate OSS simulation?
[11:55] <sean071307> i use oss gordonjcp
[11:55] <xconspirisist> hershey: Did you install Ubuntu server?
[11:56] <sauvin> I think a few of the toys I have use OSS.
[11:56] <hershey> yes
[11:56] <xconspirisist> hershey: type `startx` at the pts.
[11:56] <xconspirisist> I'm not sure if ubuntu server ships with an xserver. :P
[11:56] <dezmin> it doesn't iirc
[11:56] <ameyer> it doesn't
[11:56] <sauvin> I've been told it doesn't.
[11:57] <dezmin> hershey, why did you install server?
[11:57] <xconspirisist> hershey: In that case, try `apt-get install xserver-xorg gdm ubuntu-desktop`
[11:57] <hershey> asks me to install xinit
[11:57] <andyp_> hi
[11:57] <dezmin> yea
[11:57] <ameyer> I've done a cli install, which is apparently a server install with a desktop kernel, and there is no X
[11:57] <inqui> xconspirisist:  Concerning the WD problem ...  there are a lot of people having trouble with  mybooks because they are not assembled well enough  defective contact ... that is avoidable ! anyway
[11:57] <andyp_> if i have a print out in a xterm shell how can i copy and paste or save to a file
[11:57] <Mik1> Hi I just stuffed my Ubuntu
[11:57] <xconspirisist> inqui: What are you talking about?!
[11:57] <Nikolas> hershey, just go install the normal desktop version of Ubuntu
[11:58] <Mik1> pulled some PCI things out
[11:58] <xconspirisist> sean071307: Any luck?
[11:58] <Mik1> and swapped with others
[11:58] <hershey> aite then, thnk for the help
[11:58] <Mik1> and X does not work
[11:58] <ameyer> and screen, and anything that might be remotely useful
[11:58] <sean071307> plugged in, checkin uuids now xconspi ;)
[11:58] <xconspirisist> sean071307: Cheers bud.
[11:58] <Mik1> im on live atm and need to beable to copy some files to drives that have NTFS
[11:58] <inqui> xconspirisist:  that the WD mybooks from china suck...
[11:58] <sean071307> nothing in fstab about the new usb device
[11:58] <faileas> hmm, if i needed to compile stuff, what package would i need?
[11:59] <xconspirisist> inqui: That's great.
[11:59] <sean071307> but i'm trying to see if i can assign a new uuid to it ;)
[11:59] <inqui> =D
[11:59] <Sithe> SEAN
[11:59] <sauvin> faileas, that depends on what you need to compile. The Linux world has languages I've never even HEARD of.
[11:59] <xconspirisist> sean071307: It would not appear in fstab?
[11:59] <sean071307> it should, if it's mounted, or attempted to mount at boot
[11:59] <Sithe> sean071307: Hey what were those Sudo commands you sold me to run? Im going to save them in a text document if I ever need to do it again
[11:59] <xconspirisist> ah, you rebooted, mmkay.
[11:59] <inqui> xconspirisist:  yeah just lost nearly 500gb backup - like many people
[11:59] <sean071307> site, for ati
[11:59] <sean071307> it's aticonfig --initial
[11:59] <Sithe> Yes
[11:59] <faileas> sauvin,: C apps i suppose? i want GCC/Make, and kernel sources, at least
[12:00] <sean071307> and aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv
[12:00] <sean071307> and depmod -a
[12:00] <sean071307> and modprobe fglrx
[12:00] <Sithe> does it matter what ordeR?
[12:00] <sauvin> faileas, do a gcc -dumpver at a command line.
[12:00] <sean071307> that order sithe
[12:00] <inqui> xconspirisist:  in between the two ' ls by uuid' and the removal you could sudo mount -a ...maybe this helps too
[12:00] <sean071307> and conspierist, i'm still searching for you
[12:01] <xconspirisist> cheers sean071307.
[12:01] <xconspirisist> inqui: Please stop talking to me.
[12:01] <sauvin> AaaAaaAAaaAaaagggHh!
[12:01] <xconspirisist> sauvin: hrh.
[12:01] <xconspirisist> *heh.
[12:01] <rob> wb
[12:01] <rob> :)
[12:01] <TehBotol> wewww
[12:01] <Sithe> ty sean
[12:01] <TehBotol> splitt
[12:02] <sauvin> I'd forgotten just how irritating netsplits can be; they'd not been a regular feature since there WAS only one IRC net.
[12:02] <faileas> sauvin: gcc: no input files
[12:02] <andyp_> how can i save from a xterm shell and then paste or copy to a file?
[12:02] <xconspirisist> sauvin: netsplits on freenode?
[12:02] <sean071307> np Sithe
[12:02] <sauvin> faileas, that means you have gcc.
[12:02] <sean071307> ati is a pain sometimes
[12:02] <sean071307> but it's amazing when it works
[12:02] <sauvin> I'm an idiot. What I WANTED you to do was gcc -dumpversion
[12:03] <sean071307> sauvin, don't call yourself an idiot, everyone makes mistakes ;)
[12:03] <toostrong_2851> http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?uid=2851
[12:03] <sauvin> sean071307, there's nothing "amazing" about the fact that 3d acceleration is not available for my ATI Radeon under Linux.
[12:03] <hershey> is ubuntu desktop 64 better than 32bit version?
[12:03] <sean071307> it is, but only on gutsy so far =[
[12:03] <xconspirisist> hershey: It is if your have a 64 bit proc :)
[12:03] <Catsceo> if you want flash its not
[12:03] <sean071307> hershey, i like 32 bit, even on a 64 proc
[12:04] <Aye|> Does anyone know how to get ubuntu to BOOT with my nvidia geforce 6200, because it will only boot with my onboard card, but once X is loaded it will use my PCI graphics card.
[12:04] <hershey> thanks
[12:04] <sauvin> 32 bit stuff is still a lot better supported.
[12:04] <sean071307> and it runs faster on 32 bit chipsets ;)
[12:04] <sean071307> 64**
[12:04] <sean071307> sry
[12:04] <pawan> hi
[12:04] <xconspirisist> Aye|: You need to look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Change the default device.
[12:04] <pawan> i ha a joystick
[12:04] <sean071307> hey pawan
[12:04] <hershey> good point
[12:04] <pawan> how to install it
[12:04] <inqui> sean071307:  fgl_glxgears 400fps x400 readon
[12:05] <mjk64> Hi! Does Dapper have a "googleearth-package" like Debian has?
[12:05] <pawan> !joystick
[12:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about joystick - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:05] <DDragon-SMAC> wouldent it use the debian package?
[12:05] <faileas> sauvin: 4.1.2
[12:05] <sean071307> mjk i believe it does
[12:05] <sean071307> i may be mistaken though
[12:05] <sean071307> check the repos
[12:06] <faileas> also.. how do i install restricted drivers from KDE?
[12:06] <andyp_> how can i copy and paste fron xterm
[12:06] <sauvin> faileas, you have a very recent version of gcc. You SHOULD be all set.
[12:06] <faileas> cool
[12:06] <xconspirisist> andyp_: Use gnome-terminal, that would be easier to copy & paste from.
[12:07] <xconspirisist> Although from xtern, select & right click.
[12:07] <andyp_> xconspirisist i am have fluxbox no gnome
[12:07] <sean071307> i agree w. xconspirists
[12:07] <sean071307> xconspirist**
[12:07] <hershey> anyone know of any good emulator for ubuntu feisty
[12:07] <sean071307> andyp, it still has a term ;)
[12:07] <xconspirisist> andyp_: type "gnome-terminal" within xterm then?
[12:08] <sean071307> hershey, virtualbox and qemu are amazing
[12:08] <sauvin> Erm.. what kind of "emulator"?
[12:08] <cbale> does anyone know h ow to upload photos onto sites such as photobucket?
[12:08] <xconspirisist> hershey: What sort of emulator?
[12:08] <yeniklasor> How can I install to openoffice another language support? I downloaded "OOo_2.2.1_LinuxIntel_langpack_generic_tr.tar.gz" Now how can I install it?
[12:08] <xconspirisist> cbale: Wrong room bud :(
[12:08] <sean071307> ^^ agreed
[12:08] <cbale> sorry ty anyway :)
[12:08] <xconspirisist> yeniklasor: Are you using ubuntu?
[12:08] <yeniklasor> yes
[12:08] <xconspirisist> Look in the repo's.
[12:08] <hershey> what will they emulate?
[12:09] <sean071307> there's a pkg for it
[12:09] <sauvin> yeniklasor, I think you'll find all that stuff in the synaptic package manage.r
[12:09] <xconspirisist> There are like a bajillion open office languages.
[12:09] <Shaye> I need your advice guys. I have a server at my home that is connected to a router, the dhcp ip is <IP_ADDRESS>, but I can
[12:09] <sean071307> hershey, qemu will emulate mac, win 9x - vista (buggy)
[12:09] <sean071307> same w. virtualbox
[12:09] <sauvin> xconspirisist, more like two bajillion.
[12:09] <dresden> help!!! since i installed ubuntu, i can no longer load windows [2000] !! i get a blue screen and it sais "INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE"!!!!!! i even deleted my windows and loaded an earlier backup ghost (cloned image) of my windows partition and it still does not run!!!
[12:09] <xconspirisist> hershey: Emulator is rather a generic term. There are many different types. What do you want to emulate?
[12:09] <clemyeats> does your ISP limit your data transfer? is 10GB a lot for home use??
[12:09] <xconspirisist> sauvin: heh.
[12:09] <hershey> which is better qemu or virtualbox?
[12:09] <Shaye> I need your advice guys. I have a server at my home that is connected to a router, the dhcp ip is <IP_ADDRESS>, but I can't access the server with the external ip :/ {e.g connect to ssh, ftp, bnc, only with the <IP_ADDRESS> ip), any idea why?
[12:09] <AboSamoor__> hey all, i have a problem with /etc/network/interfaces i edited it without making a backup, what i can do now ?
[12:09] <sauvin> If he wants to emulate a Coleco Adam, qemu ain't gonna help.
[12:09] <dresden> help!!! since i installed ubuntu, i can no longer load windows [2000] !! i get a blue screen and it sais "INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE"!!!!!! i even deleted my windows and loaded an earlier backup ghost (cloned image) of my windows partition and it still does not run!!!
[12:09] <clemyeats> hershey: virtualbox is more user-friendly IMHO
[12:09] <hershey> mac and xp
[12:09] <sean071307> virtualbox is gui, qemu is amazing but command based
[12:10] <xconspirisist> Stop copying & pasting your questions.
[12:10] <dresden> ok
[12:10] <gordonjcp> hershey: what are you trying to emulate?
[12:10] <xconspirisist> We'll get to you one at a time.
[12:10] <dresden> ok
[12:10] <sean071307> thank you
[12:10] <xconspirisist> dresden: What order did you install your operating systems, windows, then linux?
[12:10] <andyp_> xconspirisist: command not found gnome-terminal
[12:10] <hershey> mac os x
[12:10] <cakrABIrawa> how to save my config network from consol
[12:10] <sauvin> What's wrong with command-based?
[12:10] <sean071307> couldn't agree more xconspir
[12:10] <dresden> yes xconspirisist
[12:10] <xconspirisist> andyp_: Are you using ubuntu?
[12:10] <sean071307> command based isn't as User Friendly
[12:10] <xconspirisist> dresden: On the same disk?
[12:10] <andyp_> yes on fluxbox
[12:11] <dresden> yes , windows in NTFS and linux in a new one (that was a lot of free space)
[12:11] <HymnToLife> sean071307, define "User-FRiendly"
[12:11] <hershey> thanks i will try virtualbox then
[12:11] <sean071307> dresden, have you tried running your repair cd?
[12:11] <xconspirisist> andyp_: Select & right click to copy.
[12:11] <dresden> no i have not, do you think the windows2000 repair cd will work?? why is it broken??
[12:11] <hershey> how about game console emulator, any good ones for ubuntu?
[12:11] <xconspirisist> dresden: No, did you install them on separate hard disks?
[12:11] <dresden> on the same disk, 2 different partitions
[12:11] <xconspirisist> hershey: What sort of games console?
[12:11] <AboSamoor__> hey all, i have a problem with /etc/network/interfaces i edited it without making a backup, what i can do now ?
[12:11] <andyp_> and paste say into nano editor
[12:12] <sean071307> what type of emulator hershey?
[12:12] <HymnToLife> AboSamoor__, edit it again to make it right ?
[12:12] <xconspirisist> AboSamoor__: You can use conventional tools to repair it?
[12:12] <hershey> like neo geo
[12:12] <dresden> i installed linux in some free space on the same drive my windows is on, and now windows wont boot
[12:12] <pawan> how to open wine drive
[12:12] <sean071307> some win based game emulators run uner wine for ds etc
[12:12] <xconspirisist> andyp_: From nano, press the insert key.
[12:12] <inqui> how to stop the alsa daemon?
[12:12] <Javid> pawan: /home/user/.wine
[12:12] <sean071307> it's /home/USER/.wine
[12:12] <AboSamoor__>  xconspirisist like what, i'm new to ubuntu ?
[12:12] <sean071307> or ~/.wine
[12:12] <Javid> Also, #winehq
[12:12] <LiberCogito> hershey:  Tons.  Type emulator in the add/remove panel
[12:12] <xconspirisist> AboSamoor__: Look in the system menu.
[12:12] <Shaye> am i gonna get an answer or shoild i reask? :)
[12:12] <cakrABIrawa> how to
[12:12] <hershey> k cool, thanks again
[12:12] <Shaye> should*
[12:12] <xconspirisist> Shaye: reask.
[12:13] <Aye|> Does anyone know how to get ubuntu to BOOT with my nvidia geforce 6200, because it will only boot with my onboard card, but once X is loaded it will use my PCI graphics card.
[12:13] <sean071307> reask
[12:13] <hershey> they irc channel is so helpful
[12:13] <hershey> thanks guys
[12:13] <Shaye> I have a server at my home that is connected to a router, the dhcp ip is <IP_ADDRESS>, but I can't access the server with the external ip :/ {e.g connect to ssh, ftp, bnc, only with the <IP_ADDRESS> ip), any idea why?
[12:13] <cakrABIrawa> how to save my network configutation ?
[12:13] <dresden> i dont understand why i should run my repair CD, i just loaded a full backup of my working windows partition, and i dont want my not-windows data screwed up
[12:13] <xconspirisist> hershey: You're welcome.
[12:13] <dresden> can somebody help me make my windows bootable again??
[12:13] <cakrABIrawa> cause every reboot my system that lose
[12:13] <DooMRunneR> hi
[12:13] <sean071307> shaye, do u know ur real ip?
[12:13] <andyp_> insert key?
[12:13] <xconspirisist> Shaye: You need to setup port forwarding?
[12:13] <xconspirisist> sean071307: Looks like we may have both got lost, any idea on the wd problem?
[12:13] <Shaye> sean071307 yeah lol
[12:13] <sean071307> ie if you go to aprelium.com/ip, it will show your real ip
[12:14] <dresden> i use linux for everything now but i wanted to play some video games and i cant because windows wont boot
[12:14] <xconspirisist> or whatismyip.com
[12:14] <Shaye> i got the real ip..
[12:14] <Walls7> ON the instillation, i want to make it dual boot, and i DO have free space, so i set 500mg as swap, and 10gb, but what type do i make that portion as?
[12:14] <yeniklasor> xconspirisist: This openoffice lang package has a spellchecker for my language. Synaptyc didn't install my lang's spell check package.
[12:14] <Shaye> the external
[12:14] <sean071307> xcon, try this link for your issue buddy http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=326871
[12:14] <Shaye> it's still not responding
[12:14] <xconspirisist> dresden: Then fix windows :)
[12:14] <dresden> i am so confused as to why my windows is broken??
[12:14] <sean071307> like conspirist said, port forwarding
[12:14] <sean071307> check w. your isp/router man for support
[12:14] <xconspirisist> yeniklasor: Is there some sort of error message?
[12:14] <xconspirisist> sean071307: Many thanks.
[12:14] <dresden> why the heck is my windows broken?? i told you i loaded a backup of a previously working windows, and it still wont boot
[12:14] <sean071307> best bet would be router man, as isps don't usually support that
[12:15] <sean071307> dresden, calm down plz
[12:15] <dresden> i think the presence of linux is some how messing up my boot
[12:15] <dresden> ok
[12:15] <faileas> dresden: XP or vista?
[12:15] <dresden> 2000
[12:15] <dresden> its just like XP
[12:15] <andyp_> its there a shell that has copy and paste tabs like a gui on it?
[12:15] <faileas> hmm
[12:15] <sean071307> dresden, linux won't mess up ur boot
[12:15] <xconspirisist> dresden: Are they installed on two separate hard disks?
[12:15] <faileas> yeah
[12:15] <yeniklasor> xconspirisist : Lang is installing but there is no spellcheck for Turkish.
[12:15] <hershey> ey dresden u bit torrent stuff?
[12:15] <dresden> no they are on the same disk
[12:15] <dresden> yeah i like bittorrent
[12:15] <sean071307> andyp, gnome-terminal, and the xfce-terminal do
[12:15] <sauvin> Dresden, when you boot the computer, are you presented with a grub menu?
[12:15] <faileas> no, but resizing NTFS sometimes does
[12:15] <yeniklasor> Any document to installing "OOo_2.2.1_LinuxIntel_langpack_generic_tr.tar.gz" ?
[12:15] <hershey> i got a good version of xp today
[12:15] <LiberCogito> sean071307: It will if its vista and you insatll grub to the MBR
[12:15] <xconspirisist> yeniklasor: I'm afraid I'm not sure what spelling engine open office uses.
[12:15] <dresden> i dont know what grub means, but it says launch linux or windows
[12:16] <xconspirisist> I thought it was a custom open office one, that would come with a turkish langauge pack.
[12:16] <hershey> it was like a performance version of xp some july edition
[12:16] <dresden> and if i choose windows, i get INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE
[12:16] <yeniklasor> ok
[12:16] <dresden> the menu i get was created by linux
[12:16] <hershey> try finding that on isohunt or something
[12:16] <sean071307> and xcon, i'm sorry, you're very welcome
[12:16] <xconspirisist> It's too hectic in here :(
[12:16] <Walls7> on the installation, i set 500mg and the type is 'swap'. now i made a new portion for unbutu, but what type to i set the portion as?
[12:16] <dresden> my windowsi s not broken hershey
[12:16] <dresden> it just cannot boot
[12:16] <andyp_> dresden: i tried bittorrent but its very slow tried to download a 100mb file
[12:16] <sean071307> agreed xcon
[12:16] <hershey> oh my bad
[12:16] <dresden> andyp you need to use port forwarding
[12:17] <dresden> go to portforward.com and it will help you andyp
[12:17] <dresden> andyp_ *
[12:17] <chrissturm> does ubuntu contain rtai extensions?
[12:17] <sean071307> for everyone's info, my aim is zgreatelitest, for a less chaotic, easier way for support
[12:17] <dresden> somebody help me???
[12:17] <dresden> i get the linux boot menu, and if i choose windows i get INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE
[12:17] <hershey> yeah that boot active inactive shtuff is tricky sometimes
[12:17] <andyp_> dresden: what is *
[12:17] <dresden> i was just correcting my typo
[12:18] <dresden> andyp_ go to portforward.com to make bittorrent work
[12:18] <sauvin> Almost sounds like you need to edit the grub table :\
[12:18] <andyp_> ok thanks
[12:18] <sean071307> i agree w. sauvin
[12:18] <dresden> i figured linux fixed it for me sauvin??
[12:18] <amorphous_> still no-one can suggest why user accounts are losing internet connection on a feisty box?
[12:18] <sauvin> Either that or your Windows partition is missing its boot loade.r
[12:18] <sean071307> try to reinstall grub, or manually edit it
[12:18] <dresden> linx created a broken grub table?
[12:18] <dresden> my windows is fine because its a previously working backup (clone image)
[12:18] <sean071307> amorphous, hardwire or wireless?
[12:18] <sauvin> you're assuming you had a good backup.
[12:18] <dresden> i did because ive used it many times
[12:18] <sean071307> haha, sauvin, couldn't say it better
[12:19] <EJ> \\'elcome ack jesuss
[12:19] <dresden> because windows gets spyware and crap so i have used my backup multiple times
[12:19] <dresden> it no longer works now that i have linux
[12:19] <sauvin> What version of Windows?
[12:19] <dresden> windows 2000 (its just like XP)
[12:19] <sean071307> sauvin it's 2k
[12:19] <dresden> win2k pro
[12:19] <sean071307> not just like xp dresden
[12:19] <Kasle> can anyone please tell me an EASY guide to install my bcm43xx? i've tried ndiswrapper and fwcutter... but both of it gives me an error message!
[12:19] <dresden> afaik it does every thing XP does...xp is prettier
[12:19] <sauvin> There ARE some pretty substantial differences between 2k and XP.
[12:19] <sean071307> 2k pro is stil the nt 4.0 kernel, xp is 5, vista 6 ;)
[12:20] <dresden> yeah but its identical
[12:20] <Aye|> Does anyone know how to get ubuntu to BOOT with my nvidia geforce 6200, because it will only boot with my onboard card, but once X is loaded it will use my PCI graphics card.
[12:20] <sauvin> Yup. They're all NT class operating systems.
[12:20] <dresden> ok maybe its not
[12:20] <dresden> any way
[12:20] <sauvin> Let me see if I can find out what my grub table says...
[12:20] <dresden> thanks
[12:20] <sean071307> all nt class, but not all the same fork of the nt 4.0 kernel ;)
[12:20] <pawan> how to open nes file
[12:20] <sauvin> !@#$@%#
[12:20] <sean071307> dresden, have you tried googleing this issue?
[12:20] <sauvin> How is grub edited manually?
[12:20] <Kasle>  tell me an EASY guide to install my bcm43xx? i've tried ndiswrapper and fwcutter... but both of it gives me an error message
[12:20] <dresden> yes but i cant find it
[12:21] <sean071307> kk, well i'm letting sauving help you w. this
[12:21] <LiberCogito> aye|: disable your onboard?
[12:21] <dresden> ok
[12:21] <Aye|> i have
[12:21] <dresden> thanks sean
[12:21] <Aye|> still wont boot it hangs while booting
[12:21] <sean071307> kasle, there is a guide for bcm43xx
[12:21] <sean071307> ask liber
[12:21] <LiberCogito> Kasle: Oh, I can!
[12:21] <beni> how can i count the lines of a textfile?
[12:21] <sean071307> thank you beth <3
[12:21] <dgjones> !bcm43xx
[12:21] <ubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[12:21] <Kasle> LiberCogito: you do?
[12:21] <LiberCogito> Kasle: Open etc/networking/interfaces
[12:21] <sean071307> beni, you can use emacs, which does it
[12:21] <LiberCogito> Kasle: comment out everything except for lo
[12:21] <pawan> how to open nes ROM file
[12:21] <sean071307> and gedit, mousepad have that functionality as well
[12:21] <LiberCogito> Kasle: save, and reboot.
[12:22] <Kasle> dgjones: i ve tried that
[12:22] <LiberCogito> Kasle: its odd, but it works.
[12:22] <beni> sean071307: there was a handy command... foo -l or so
[12:22] <sean071307> brb guys!
[12:22] <Aye|> LiberCogito, if i set my pci card to init display first or whatever ubuntu will hang
[12:22] <mojo_monkey> can any one tell me if a linux box can perform the fuctions of an xrod packet shaping device
[12:22] <sauvin> dresden, examine the file /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:22] <beni> how can i count the lines of a textfile?
[12:22] <sean071307> hm, beni, i'll see what i can find, im me on zgreatelitest on aim, i'm helping someone else right now
[12:22] <LiberCogito> beni: Erm, go to the last line, look in the bottom left hand corner where it says LN
[12:22] <Catsceo> is the next version of Ubuntu (not Gusty, the next one) a LTS?
[12:22] <dresden> ok how do i do that sauvin
[12:22] <sauvin> Erm, nano /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[12:22] <dresden> ok
[12:22] <sean071307> mojo_monkey, what kind of functions?
[12:23] <sauvin> !pastebin
[12:23] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:23] <LiberCogito> !lts
[12:23] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[12:23] <dresden> ok what am i looking for sauvin
[12:23] <dresden> ok i will do that
[12:23] <gcostello> beni: cat textfile|wc -l
[12:23] <beni> ahhh okay thank you very much gcostello!
[12:23] <mojo_monkey> packet shaping, filtering Nat Transparent proxy
[12:23] <Dao_Of_Programmi> o.,o
[12:24] <Dao_Of_Programmi> isn fedora the best?
[12:24] <amorphous_> sean071307, hardwire
[12:24] <dresden> sauvin http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33217/
[12:24] <Dao_Of_Programmi> why ubuntu has most ppl!
[12:24] <Catsceo> LiberCogito: that doesn't answer my question...
[12:24] <LiberCogito> Kasle: did it work?
[12:24] <sean071307> mojo, yes, it can
[12:24] <sauvin> dresden, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33218/
[12:24] <sean071307> amorphous, what?
[12:24] <sauvin> That's what mine says.
[12:24] <dresden> ok what do i do with that sauvin
[12:25] <mojo_monkey> sean071307 packet shaping, filtering Nat Transparent proxy
[12:25] <LiberCogito> Catsceo: what question?
[12:25] <Walls7> Which is better for me to create a partion on for ubuntu, "ext3" or "reiser"?
[12:25] <dresden> i dont understand, what do you recommend i do sauvin
[12:25] <amorphous_> the machine doesn't seem to lose the connection, sean071307 but the user accounts keep losing it intermittently.
[12:25] <sean071307> i recommend rieser
[12:25] <Catsceo> LiberCogito: is the next version of Ubuntu (not Gusty, the next one) a LTS?
[12:25] <sean071307> ah, sry
[12:25] <sauvin> Walls7, I've heard wobbly things about reiser. most people use ext3.
[12:25] <LiberCogito> Walls7: ext3
[12:25] <sean071307> resier**
[12:25] <Walls7> hmm
[12:25] <LiberCogito> Catsceo: No idea, google it.
[12:25] <sean071307> but if your using ext3 you can use selinux, not on reiser
[12:26] <Walls7> i'll stick with ext3
[12:26] <sean071307> Cat, yes, it SHOULD be lts
[12:26] <sean071307> =]  good call for a beginner
[12:26] <dresden> sauvin what do you recommend i do??
[12:26] <sauvin> dresden, the link I gave you shows you the relevent section to my menu.lst under /boot/grub. It's how grub knows to boot windows when I select it.
[12:26] <sauvin> Does it look like yours?
[12:26] <mojo_monkey> sean071307 im trying to convince my boss that it can but how
[12:26] <dresden> i dont know how do i find out
[12:26] <amorphous_> sean071307, sorry - been trying to sort it out and my timings poor... but users are losing internet connection on a box where the connection seems to be fairly stable for the admin accounts
[12:26] <sauvin> dresden, you CAN read the link I gave, yes?
[12:26] <amorphous_> *account
[12:26] <dresden> yes i can
[12:26] <sean071307> mojo, for sniffing, you can use ethereral, wireshark, etc, for shaping, there's countless tools
[12:26] <dresden> im new to linux stuff, let me try to figure it out ok sauvin
[12:26] <sauvin> Ok, and you can read your own /boot/grub/menu.lst, yes?
[12:27] <LiberCogito> amorphous_: is it happening at specific time intervals?
[12:27] <dresden> yes in terminal i think sauvin
[12:27] <sean071307> amorphous, have you pinged as the user itself?
[12:27] <amorphous_> LiberCogito, I dont think so... why? what you thinking?
[12:27] <sauvin> Good enough. Root around in your menu.lst and look for things that talk about Windows 2000
[12:27] <mojo_monkey> sean071307  cool
[12:27] <dresden> ok
[12:27] <sean071307> np mojo
[12:27] <mojo_monkey> ill get on it
[12:28] <amorphous_> sean071307, not sure I understand. I have tried to ping google etc as the user - but no joy. At the same time I CAN ping google from the admin account.
[12:28] <LiberCogito> amorphous_: file permission issues maybe?  I mean, the difference between the admin accounts and user accounts is privlidge, right?
[12:29] <sean071307> amorphous, have you checked the [system] ->network menu to make sure they match when in the user account
[12:29] <LiberCogito> amorphous_: I'd compare the /etc/network/interfaces of the admin user and the user.
[12:29] <amorphous_> LiberCogito, I thought that, but the setup is largely as installed, and I have no idea what permissions it could be :/ (too noob :(
[12:30] <dresden> sauvin i cant figure out how to "root around" in my menu.lst sorry
[12:30] <sean> lol he means browse it
[12:30] <mojo_monkey> amorphous_  what kind of net architecture are you deploying
[12:30] <LiberCogito> amorphous_: Compare the /etc/network/interfaces of the admin and the user.
[12:30] <sean> look through it
[12:30] <dresden> i dont know how
[12:30] <amorphous_> LiberCogito, they each have their own?
[12:30] <sauvin> use the arrow keys!
[12:30] <dresden> im pretty new to linux :(
[12:30] <dresden> ok
[12:30] <dresden> arrow keys just moves the black box
[12:30] <amorphous_> mojo - define net-architecture (sorry)
[12:30] <alsuren> can anyone tell me how to turn off that annoying volume control on-screen-display, so I can use xf86AudioRaiseVolume for something else?
[12:30] <Kaur> any ideas how to get frequency scaling to work on  Core duo 2300 with generic kernel?
[12:30] <sauvin> It doesn't move the text?
[12:30] <dresden> i typed in nano /boot/grub/menu.lst and i dont know what to do next
[12:30] <LiberCogito> amorphous_: oh, wait.  same PC?
[12:30] <dresden> OH IT DOES MOVE THE TEXT
[12:30] <mojo_monkey> your setup are you an ISP ??
[12:31] <dresden> NEVERMIND
[12:31] <dresden> il look for windows 2000 thanks
[12:31] <amorphous_> LiberCogito, yes
[12:31] <sauvin> .oO(new to "linux", my [BEEP] , I think dresden is new to COMPUTERS!)
[12:31] <dresden> lol
[12:31] <amorphous_> that's why it's so confusing to me
[12:31] <amorphous_> :/
[12:31] <LiberCogito> amorphous_: yeah, that really doesnt make sense.
[12:31] <LiberCogito> amorphous_: create a new user, see if you have the same issue.
[12:31] <mojo_monkey> amorphous_ how may servers r u running and how may clients
[12:32] <Badzo> hi dudes, i've just installed beryl, but now the cube has gone
[12:32] <mojo_monkey> amorphous_ basically what is your problem
[12:32] <dresden> what my problem was is i made the box bigger to see more of it, and that didnt work, i didnt know i had to use arrow keys
[12:32] <amorphous_> mojo_monkey, I am using an adsl connection with adsl (netgear) wireless router/modem. wireless users seem to have no probs.
[12:32] <sean> blah, chaod
[12:32] <sean> chaos**
[12:32] <sauvin> dresden, in a terminal window, that sometimes works and sometimes doesn't.
[12:32] <mojo_monkey> amorphous_ then whats the catch
[12:33] <sauvin> I've been using terminals for so damned long I've forgotten what all the "gotchas" might be for people used to a GUI.
[12:33] <dresden> sauvin http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33219/
[12:33] <amorphous_> mojo_monkey, one machine - but the user accounts keep getting cut off from the internet. the admin account keeps it's connection
[12:33] <sauvin> I can't see a damn thing wrong with that, dresden.
[12:33] <dresden> damn
[12:34] <mojo_monkey> wow thats strange
[12:34] <dresden> when i press ENTER on it when i boot up, it cant proceed because i get a blue screen that sais INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE
[12:34] <sauvin> So, assumption next: your Windows boot loader is [HONK] , or at least all [CENSORED]  up.
[12:34] <amorphous_> LiberCogito, i have the same issue with all three users. I think at the same time, but it's hard to tell properly - it's intermittant.
[12:34] <sauvin> dresden, can you mount that partition?
[12:34] <dresden> guess i could why?
[12:34] <amorphous_> <is instilled with confidence
[12:34] <dresden> i can view it already in the GUI
[12:34] <sauvin> In terminal, cd into /media and see if there's an hda1 directory.
[12:35] <dresden> i can see all the files in it
[12:35] <dresden> ok
[12:35] <sauvin> You can see all your Windows files?
[12:35] <dresden> yes i can
[12:35] <sauvin> Grr.
[12:35] <dresden> does that mean some thing?\
[12:35] <sauvin> Mmkay, now I'm lost.
[12:35] <dresden> when i clcik computer i can choose my old windows volume and its got all my stuff in it
[12:35] <sauvin> What I know about MS operating systems is very old; it predates NT-class operating systems, so what I'm about to say might not be terribly applicable.
[12:36] <dresden> ok
[12:36] <LiberCogito> amorphous_: I'd nuke and remake the user profiles.  if you have no info to go on, its really the only option
[12:36] <hershey> i installed the desktop version but it gave me some errors at the end, is that normal?
[12:36] <sauvin> There's a 'boot loader' file that has to appear within the first umpteen sectors of the partition the OS is installed on; if it's not, the OS won't load.
[12:36] <dresden> i typed cd /media and it didnt say anything, is that what i shoudl of done?
[12:36] <dresden> ok sauvin what do i do
[12:36] <Kaalse> iv'e used fwcutter bcm43xx to install wireless network. but i get an error message ever though it's working. it says that it was an error with the treating of bcm43xx-fwcutter (error code 1) can anyone help?
[12:36] <sauvin> If you can see all your Windows files, it doesn't matter HOW you see them, they're THERE.
[12:36] <dresden> yeah they are
[12:36] <dresden> i just cant boot lol
[12:36] <amorphous_> LiberCogito, you mean to completely renew the whole user profiles?
[12:37] <dresden> i want to use windows to play video games when i have free time
[12:37] <sean> lol, dresden did you google the INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE issue?
[12:37] <sean> i found lots on how to fix it
[12:37] <LiberCogito>  amorphous_Yep
[12:37] <sauvin> That's what i'm trying to explain. I don't remember the name of the boot loader file(s); I think they'
[12:37] <dresden> yes but i got a lot of stuff not about linux
[12:37] <sean> it MIGHT not be linux
[12:37] <sauvin> they're going to have to be re-arranged.
[12:37] <sean> just try the stuff they have
[12:37] <dresden> i even typed in linux and that
[12:37] <LiberCogito> NTLOADER
[12:37] <spectre__> can you tell me if there is an utility to resize partition under ubuntu ? thanks
[12:37] <sean> spectre, gparted is good for resizing
[12:37] <dresden> ok sean il try that if sauvin cant help but sauvin is really smart
[12:37] <deathblooms> open a terminal and cd into that screenlets-0.0.8 directory. Once in it run this command:?
[12:37] <spectre__> thanks sean
[12:37] <LiberCogito> sauvin: NTLOADER, unless its vista or below 2k pro
[12:37] <sean> np guys
[12:37] <sauvin> LiberCogito, that sounds familiar. dresden, can you see NTLOADER on your Windows partition's root directory?
[12:38] <dresden> ok let me look 1 second
[12:38] <deathblooms> need help trying to install screenlets?
[12:38] <faileas> erm
[12:38] <dresden> no i have a ntldr
[12:38] <faileas> its NTLDR
[12:38] <sauvin> Actually, I think NTLOADER was also true of NT 3.5...
[12:38] <dresden> "ntldr"
[12:38] <sean> deathblooms, ubuntuguide
[12:38] <dresden> its lowercase "ntldr" sauvin
[12:38] <LiberCogito> meh, my bad.
[12:38] <LiberCogito> i was close.
[12:38] <sean> lol
[12:38] <sean> ilu liber <3
[12:39] <hershey> ok it is starting up fine, thats good
[12:39] <amorphous_> LiberCogito, pants! thanks though. At least it's not just me that can't understand it...
[12:39] <sauvin> ntldr and ntdetect.com look suspicious...
[12:39] <sean> suspicious how?
[12:39] <dresden> huh?
[12:39] <LiberCogito> amorphous_: 've forgotten muchof what I used to know of windows.
[12:39] <sean> me too liber
[12:39] <sean> me too
[12:39] <Kaalse> iv'e used fwcutter bcm43xx to install wireless network. but i get an error message ever though it's working. it says that it was an error with the treating of bcm43xx-fwcutter (error code 1) can anyone help?
[12:39] <sauvin> Do you suppose those files, or files referenced BY them, contain information about the disk geometry and/or topology on which they were INSTALLED?
[12:39] <LiberCogito> amorphous_: happily, I might add.
[12:39] <PaulEU> hello!
[12:39] <sean> hey paul
[12:39] <amorphous_> LiberCogito, I don't do windows
[12:39] <dresden> sauvin are you asking me
[12:39] <deathblooms> sean, i have read the guide
[12:40] <dresden> sauvin you should know im not as smart as you are about these things
[12:40] <PaulEU> What's difference between packages: mozilla-thunderbird-locale-pl and thunderbird-locale-pl ?
[12:40] <deathblooms> sean, like a 100 times
[12:40] <sn> can any 1 help i am using gnomebaker  to burn cds  but it does not burn i get a error saying it did not burn
[12:40] <sean> sauvin, those files are responsible for loading the nt kernel
[12:40] <LiberCogito> amorphous_: I've barely been using linux for a year.  Sean bullied me into it.
[12:40] <sauvin> dresden, I am obviously not as smart as you think I am.
[12:40] <sean> lol, ok deathblooms, how can i help?
[12:40] <PaulEU> its strange :/ I don't know which can I select
[12:40] <dresden> lol sauvin is pretty smart
[12:40] <sean> Paul,
[12:40] <dresden> smart people never say they are smart only dumb ones do!!
[12:40] <sean> one is a transition package
[12:40] <sean> it will automatically install the other, no worries
[12:40] <deathblooms> sean, in the tutorial it shows a easy way to install it http://thelinuxmovement.blogspot.com/2007/07/install-screenlets-008.html
[12:41] <LiberCogito> i r teh smartz.
[12:41] <amorphous_> LiberCogito, u seem pretty good at it though. I been using linux for years, but still rank amature
[12:41] <sauvin> heh, if I were so damn smart, you'd be back in Windows already.
[12:41] <deathblooms> sean, but i dont understand the open a terminal and cd into that screenlets-0.0.8 directory. Once in it run this command:
[12:41] <amorphous_> < defines the word 'user'
[12:41] <dresden> sauvin i would bet from my very very very limited knowledge, that my windows was too old and unpopular and linux, when it made my boot device, made it for XP or something and not 2000 pro
[12:41] <LiberCogito> amorphous_: I can fix things, but often have no idea HOW I fixed them, or why it worked.  :)
[12:41] <dresden> but thats my idea
[12:41] <sn> can any 1 help plz
[12:41] <icanic> how to install beryl?
[12:41] <sean> deathblooms, which part don't you get, opening a term or the cd to dir
[12:41] <dresden> i mean my boot menu sorry
[12:41] <sauvin> dresden, linux grub can boot DOS partitions.
[12:41] <sauvin> OLD ones.
[12:41] <LiberCogito> amorphous_: My real super power is l337 google skills :)
[12:42] <dresden> well maybe im wrong hehehe
[12:42] <dgjones> !beryl | icanic
[12:42] <ubotu> icanic: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:42] <Aye|> whats the command to create a file from terminal?
[12:42] <deathblooms> sean, yes i know the terminal but the cd part?
[12:42] <sean> sn, what type of error?
[12:42] <dresden> i love beryl!!!
[12:42] <PaulEU> icanic: use compiz default in system
[12:42] <icanic> !beryl
[12:42] <sauvin> I'm too tired to make sense out of all this right now :(
[12:42] <dresden> im going to use linux for every thing, i just want to load win2kpro for games
[12:42] <dresden> and i have a allready updated configured win2kpro im trying to boot
[12:42] <Aye|> whats the command to create a file from the terminal?
[12:42] <sauvin> Believe me, I understand that.
[12:43] <dresden> thanks
[12:43] <sean> deathblooms, cd to probably ~/ or ~/Desktop
[12:43] <sauvin> Tell me, in your GUI address bar, what does it give for file location when you see ntldr?
[12:43] <Alloosh> hi all, where is wine folder? just installed some programs, but cant find the folder
[12:43] <sean> that should hold the file you need
[12:43] <dresden> ok let me look sauvin 1 second
[12:43] <sean> alloosh it's ~/.wine
[12:43] <LiberCogito> Aye|: http://www.pixelbeat.org/cmdline.html
[12:43] <deathblooms> sean, the folder is on my desktop
[12:43] <Aye|> ty
[12:43] <dresden> sauvin it sais "/media/hda1"
[12:43] <sn> ok mate wait a min
[12:43] <deathblooms> sean, so im not shure what command i use in terminal
[12:43] <Alloosh> sean, where?
[12:43] <dresden> but its actually my C drive
[12:43] <mojo_monkey> i upgraded my ubuntu from breezy to dapper to edgy and it wiped out my openoffice suite
[12:43] <sean> cd ~/Desktop
[12:44] <sean> alloosh, type ~/.wine in the address bar of nautilus
[12:44] <hershey> well good nite peeps
[12:44] <dresden> goodnght hershey
[12:44] <amorphous_> LiberCogito, Aahhh.. a skill indeed...
[12:44] <deathblooms> sean, cd ~/Desktop sudo python setup.py install
[12:44] <deathblooms> sean, like that
[12:44] <sauvin> /dev/hda1, C drive, what the hell, it's all the same.
[12:44] <mojo_monkey> i cant seem to install another suite of openoffice cause it keeps giving me errors
[12:45] <Aye|> urr
[12:45] <dresden> ok
[12:45] <Aye|> LiberCogito, , doesnt tell me how to make a file
[12:45] <sauvin> I can't see why it's not loading!
[12:45] <sean> er, no, try cd ~/Desktop/screenlets[tab]  (that's the tab key)
[12:45] <dresden> me neither sauvin !!
[12:45] <LiberCogito> amorphous_: Harnessing google can save you monies.  I found all my college textbooks as ebooks free
[12:45] <dresden> cogito that is such an awesome idea im going to try that from now on
[12:45] <sauvin> I have a really stupid question to ask... is your windows partition marked ACTIVE in the partition record?
[12:45] <dresden> where can i find the partition record
[12:45] <dresden> sauvin
[12:46] <sauvin> Moment...
[12:46] <dresden> ok
[12:46] <sean> aye, what file are you trying to make?
[12:46] <LiberCogito> Aye|:
[12:46] <mojo_monkey> can 2 Linux distributions coexist on one machine i.e on different partitions
[12:46] <sean> deathblooms type in cd "~/Desktop/screenlets[tab] " (that's the tab key)
[12:46] <Aye|> Yes?
[12:46] <sauvin> dresden, do a sudo gparted
[12:46] <sauvin> CHANGE NOTHING.
[12:46] <dresden> ok
[12:47] <Aye|> LiberCogito, ?
[12:47] <yeniklasor> ,
[12:47] <yeniklasor>
[12:47] <sean> Aye|, what file are you trying to make
[12:47] <dresden> now what dresden
[12:47] <dresden> i mean sauvin !!
[12:47] <deathblooms> sean, Desktop/screenlets-0.0.9$ sudo python setup.py install
[12:47] <Aye|> a file in the etc folder
[12:47] <Aye|> but i cant create it with a text editor
[12:47] <deathblooms> sean, no such file dir
[12:47] <Aye|> cause im not root
[12:47] <Boobek> hi
[12:47] <dgjones> mojo_monkey, yes, you can have as many distro's on a computer as you've got disk space for
[12:47] <sauvin> Look at your /dev/hda1 line, to the right, under the 'flags' column. is it marked "boot"?
[12:47] <Aye|> so i wanted to use sudo from the command line
[12:47] <dresden> ok let me look sauvin
[12:47] <sean> cd ~/Desktop/screenlets[tab] [enter]
[12:47] <dresden> yes it sais "boot" sauvin
[12:47] <sauvin> @#$!@%#@
[12:47] <dresden> its the only one that says "boot"
[12:48] <dresden> my linux ones dont even say it
[12:48] <sean> Aye|, try sudo gedit /etc/filetocreate
[12:48] <sauvin> Same here. grub doesn't care.
[12:48] <dresden> ok
[12:48] <Aye|> okay
[12:48] <deathblooms> sean, ok i got this deathblooms237@deathblooms237:~/Desktop/screenlets-0.0.9$
[12:48] <sean> ok, now run your command
[12:48] <sauvin> OK, quit gparted. SAVE NO CHANGES.
[12:48] <sean> deathblooms, now run the command you need to run
[12:48] <dresden> ok
[12:48] <Aye|> sean,  ty
[12:48] <cainus_> hey all... I just installed kubuntu and I seem to be having keyboard troubles... I keep getting `` instead of forward slashes, etc... anyone know the remedy?
[12:48] <sean> Aye|, np
[12:48] <sauvin> I'm mystified.
[12:48] <AboSamoor_1> can anyone help me in reconfiguring my ethernet and /etc/network/intefaces
[12:48] <mojo_monkey> i had a previous installation of oracle enterprise Linux on one partition  then i installed ubuntu on the other but know i cant access the oracle distro
[12:48] <AboSamoor_1> ?
[12:49] <sean> cainus_, try to change your keyboard layout in settings
[12:49] <sauvin> dresden, would it be an option to wipe the HD clean, install Windows, get it running and bootable and then re-install ubuntu?
[12:49] <sauvin> I can't figure out what's going on :(
[12:49] <sean> AboSamoor_1, just clear it out, and open the network settings dialog
[12:49] <deathblooms> sean, which is sudo python setup.py install. and when i do that it says no such file or direc
[12:49] <sean> it will autoconfig
[12:49] <Kaslegard> ive got a problem. every time i try to install ANYTHING a error message occupears. it says that it was an error threating bcm43xx-fwcutter error code (1). can anyone help?
[12:49] <dresden> sauvin this is a fresh copy of ubuntu, what you describe is like...what i just did a few days ago
[12:49] <sean> deathblooms, hm, h.o. a sec?
[12:50] <deathblooms> sean,k
[12:50] <mojo_monkey> AboSamoor_1 what happend to your net conf
[12:50] <sauvin> When you restore your windows from the image, does it boot?
[12:50] <dresden> i installed windows, than ubuntu, than windows wont boot, so i installed windows again, still wont boot...
[12:50] <dresden> no
[12:50] <dresden> if i do what you say i will get the same problem i think
[12:50] <sauvin> No, I mean, if you wipe the drive clean and then re-install windows, does it boot?
[12:50] <cainus_> sean: it set to US English, generic 104-key though
[12:50] <AboSamoor_1> sean where is the  network settings dialog ? is there any way to do that by terminal ?
[12:50] <dresden> sauvin the whole drive??/
[12:50] <sauvin> yup.
[12:50] <dresden> but i cant because
[12:50] <dresden> this OS is on it
[12:51] <mojo_monkey> dgjones i had a previous installation of oracle enterprise Linux on one partition  then i installed ubuntu on the other but know i cant access the oracle distro
[12:51] <dresden> and yes it would work
[12:51] <dresden> i have in the past, before using linux, wiped the drive clean when i install my backup image and that works FINE
[12:51] <sean> AboSamoor_1, you can open the network settings from [gnome menu] ->[settings] ->[admin.] ->[network]
[12:51] <dresden> but now that i have linux my HDD is split in half
[12:51] <sauvin> The backup image, does it assume you have the entire drive devoted to it?
[12:51] <dresden> yes but im using norton ghost and its designed to let me install to a partition because my image is small
[12:52] <sauvin> I'm out of ideas.
[12:52] <dresden> but that could be the problem i guess because this is the first time ive installed to a smalelr partition
[12:52] <K-4U> how do i get more desktops?
[12:52] <dgjones> mojo_monkey, i'm not sure how to help, but do you mean you can't boot the oracle installation, or just that the oracle drives aren't being mounted so you can browse to them?
[12:52] <dresden> norton ghost sais i can do that but maybe they lie to me
[12:52] <sauvin> that's what I'm thinking but can't be sure.
[12:52] <AboSamoor_1> sean , i can't see that. i make an error by installing xubuntu-system-tools
[12:52] <dresden> i KNOW if i wiped the whole HDD my windows will work, but then i wont have linux lol
[12:52] <DBlue> Is there a way to make grub who comes with Ubuntu, to look like grub on Suse 8.01, with background and white highlight?
[12:52] <sean> ah, are you using gnome or xfce?
[12:52] <sean> AboSamoor_1, are you using gnome or xfce?
[12:52] <dresden> sauvin if i wiped my HDD clean windows will work, but then i wont have ubuntu
[12:53] <AboSamoor_1> sean, gnome
[12:53] <neumind> hello, who can help me witch psybnc installation on ubuntu?
[12:53] <sean> it SHOULD still be there =\
[12:53] <sauvin> yes, but you could then use partition magic or something to shrink the windows partition, get THAT working, make a NEW IMAGE and then install linux.
[12:53] <cainus_> sean: heh that solved it anyway... weird.... alright thanks :)
[12:53] <LiberCogito> dresden: So you're trying to load windows onto a drive that windows thinks is size X, but is actually size Y and you're suprised that this is an issue?  Erm... duh?
[12:53] <dresden> I DID THAT SAUVIN THATS HOW IM HERE LOL
[12:53] <sean> np cainus_
[12:53] <sauvin> Grah.
[12:53] <dresden> NOOO you all misunderstand...
[12:53] <mojo_monkey> dgjones the oracle will start booting but it keeps giving error messages about "touch" cant get a lock or something
[12:53] <dresden> cogito that is right BUT
[12:53] <K-4U> how do i get more desktops? i now only have 2...
[12:53] <dresden> it didnt work before i loaded the clone
[12:53] <neumind> who can help me witch psybnc installation on ubuntu?
[12:54] <dresden> i had windows OK, then i shrunk NTFS and loaded linux on it, and from the linxu boot men i cannot load windows again...i thought that was normal
[12:54] <mojo_monkey> dgjones ill have to reboot to get you the exact boot message
[12:54] <LiberCogito> dresden: how the hell could loading the clone not work before you loaded the clone?
[12:54] <dresden> i figured every thing i did so far was normal
[12:54] <dresden> noo what i mean is i only recently tried the clone
[12:54] <sean> dresden, you do know ntfs support on linux is still somewhat, er "trivial" to say the least
[12:54] <DBlue> K-4U, you right click on desktops, prefferences and write 4
[12:54] <sauvin> I can't see why it would matter, but I gave up trying to figure out MS crap when I was first confronted with bazillions of config files under Windows 9x and decided that my days for being a computer expert were DONE.
[12:54] <dresden> i had a WORKING windows, installed linux, it wouldnt work, so i loaded the clone, and the clone doesnt work either
[12:54] <LiberCogito> dresden: Did you defrag windows a bajillion times first?
[12:54] <K-4U> ty dblue!
[12:54] <dresden> noo sean i srunk NTFS so i can make a linux partition
[12:55] <DBlue> what is ty
[12:55] <dresden> no i didnt cogito, i used paragon partition its smart
[12:55] <K-4U> dblue: Thank You;)
[12:55] <sean> yes, and dresden, what did u use to resize?
[12:55] <dresden> paragon partition
[12:55] <sauvin> There's a "smart program" for windows?
[12:55] <dresden> but my windows should be defragged
[12:55] <dresden> yea paragon is good
[12:55] <sean> it's smart, but it probably left files on the old part of the partion dresden
[12:55] <sean> lol
[12:55] <LiberCogito> dresden: what does a partitiion program being smart have to do with defragging?
[12:55] <DBlue> ok, i don't know shortcuts, cause i don't chat a lot
[12:55] <sean> that's why you need to defrag like 36 times
[12:55] <dresden> its a good program
[12:55] <LiberCogito> dresden: You didn't defrag before attempting to dual boot.   It was an "issue" five minutes before I bought the freaking thing.
[12:58] <dresden> well the clone only saves the stuff that fits on a CD...i cant fit 100+ GB on a CD
[12:58] <dgjones> dresden, windows defrag isn't that good, it doesn't consolidate free space so you still have bits of files all over the drive
[12:58] <sean> ROFL, sauvin, ilu
[12:58] <Alloosh> guys, I have a network here, ubuntu and xp, both computer are connected to the net, the internet goes from ubuntu to a router and then to the xp, I can see the ubuntu(samba) in the xp network places, but cant see the xp in the ubuntu. its not in the network. any idea?
[12:58] <sean> dresden, try partimage next time
[12:58] <dresden> the norton ghost saves all the real data and ignores empty space
[12:58] <LiberCogito> dresden: a defrag removes file fragments.  on the hard drive.  what does your
[12:58] <dresden> what is partimage?
[12:58] <LiberCogito> dresden: cd have to do with the hard drive?
[12:58] <LiberCogito> dresden: nothing.
[12:59] <dresden> nooooooooo
[12:59] <dresden> the CD saved all the files not the empty space
[12:59] <sean> i needa smoke
[12:59] <sean> brb guys =[
[12:59] <LiberCogito> dresden: do you
[12:59] <dresden> i cant fit 100+ GB on a CD so its irrelevent
[12:59] <dresden> it only saves real files im confused
[12:59] <sean> liber your coming w, me or i'll drag you outta here
[12:59] <LiberCogito> dresden: not understand that installing OVER something desont mean getting rid of fragments?
[12:59] <LiberCogito> dresden: IF you erase a chalkboard, you k
[12:59] <DBlue> Is there a rescue mode on the Feisty Fawn live cd?
[12:59] <dresden> huh
[12:59] <LiberCogito> dresden: know how you can still see the writing sorta?
[01:00] <sean> DBlue, yes there is
[01:00] <sean> =]
[01:00] <Alloosh> looks like no one saw my post here you go again
[01:00] <DBlue> And
[01:00] <dresden> yes but electronics arent lke that right??
[01:00] <dresden> i have a fully working backed up version of windows that doesnt boot
[01:00] <LiberCogito> dresden: thats what defrags get rid of.  writing over the image doesnt make it not there, it just writes over it.
[01:00] <sean> Alloosh, what is the question?
[01:00] <DBlue> And what the rescue do
[01:00] <Alloosh> guys, I have a network here, ubuntu and xp, both computer are connected to the net, the internet goes from ubuntu to a router and then to the xp, I can see the ubuntu(samba) in the xp network places, but cant see the xp in the ubuntu. its not in the network. any idea?
[01:00] <LiberCogito> dresden: that is exactly how magnetic storage works.
[01:00] <LiberCogito> dresden: its simplified to the extreme, but its the same concept.
[01:00] <sean> Alloosh, be patient and someone will assist asap
[01:00] <dresden> ok cogito i understand that that may be why my windows did not work after i installed linux, but that does NOT explain why my backup doesnt work either
[01:00] <sauvin> Electronics, no, but your hard drive is basically rusted iron dust glued to an aluminum plate. It can retain magnetic charges even across rewrites.
[01:01] <LiberCogito> dresden: and I have to go kill myself a little now.  brb.
[01:01] <Aye> Does anyone know how to get ubuntu to BOOT with my nvidia geforce 6200, because it will only boot with my onboard card, but once X is loaded it will use my PCI graphics card. If i dont have my onboard as my first graphics card (boot card) it will hang on boot.
[01:01] <Alloosh> Sean; I am :)
[01:01] <klerik_> ktulxu
[01:01] <dresden> libercogito
[01:01] <LiberCogito> dresden: because your HD is full of fragmented crap and needs to be deeply reformated.
[01:01] <sean> DBlue, it allows you to fix mistaks using root in the command line
[01:01] <dresden> that doesnt explain why my backup doesnt work
[01:01] <dresden> huhh??
[01:01] <sean> kk brb guys liber too
[01:01] <DBlue> Aye, try to disable it in bios
[01:01] <LiberCogito> yes it does!
[01:01] <sean> step away liber
[01:01] <sean> now
[01:01] <klerik_> ..
[01:01] <sauvin> The backup might not work if it references sectors on the hard drive that no longer belong to the partition you're restoring it to.
[01:01] <Aye> Disable my onboard?
[01:01] <dresden> ok so if i reformat that space OVER AND OVER it will work?
[01:01] <sean> just do it LiberCogito!
[01:01] <DBlue> Aye, yes
[01:01] <LiberCogito> dresden: does painting a totalled car make the car any less totalled?
[01:01] <dresden> sauvin that makes sense to me
[01:01] <Aye> DBlue, Thats the problem, when i disable my onboard card it hangs on boot
[01:01] <dresden> but my backup isnt totalled...
[01:02] <DBlue> Shame
[01:02] <dresden> my backup is a mint car
[01:02] <dresden> it should just copy my mint car
[01:02] <DBlue> Aye, is the new car ok?
[01:02] <Aye> ..?
[01:02] <dresden> sauvin you recommend i reformat my NTFS again?
[01:02] <DBlue> Aye, I'm functional?
[01:02] <dresden> but wait, are you saying i will have to dedicate the whole drive if i want to use my backed up clone?
[01:02] <mojo_monkey> how do i compile a java servlet on linux
[01:02] <sauvin> your backup is a mint Lincoln now being told to park itself in a parking slot sized for a Cooper.
[01:02] <DBlue> Aye, ups sorry
[01:02] <Aye> DBlue, lawl
[01:03] <dresden> i never used more than 20 GB on my windows at a time when i had it, and its current space is 65 GB
[01:03] <DBlue> Aye, I meant is it functional on other mainboard
[01:03] <dresden> so how can it try to be writing to things 65+
[01:03] <Aye> What do you mean
[01:03] <dresden> it should still be trying to load the backup to the center of the HDD physically
[01:03] <dresden> you know the rings and whatnot?
[01:03] <Aye> Ubuntu only boots if my onboard card isnt disabled
[01:03] <sauvin> This is what we're thinking, anyway. By all the rules I undersand, it SHOULD be @!#$@#$ working. All the right links are there. There's something wrong with the way Windows believes it occupies its share of the hard drive. That's the only thing I can figure.
[01:03] <dresden> ok sauvin that makes sense
[01:04] <dresden> but like i said i never ever used up to 65 GB at a time, and the space of my NTFS partition for windows is shrunk to 65
[01:04] <sauvin> Yes, I know about "rings" and suchlike. I used to be a disk drive hacker for the Commodore :D
[01:04] <dresden> therefore it cannot be writing to something 65+ right?
[01:04] <dresden> wow
[01:04] <dresden> sauvin what do you recommend i do!!!!!!!
[01:04] <dresden> i'd like my backup to work
[01:05] <dresden> but neither my current windows worked or my backup
[01:05] <dresden> if you were me what would you do next
[01:05] <DBlue> Aye, open the computer case, and look in the mainboard, if there is a jumper for the internal video card, and switch is off, or read mainboards manual
[01:05] <sauvin> You might never have used more than 20 gigs at any given time, but if your total cumulative storage needs exceeded 65 gigs, and NTFS is as retarded as I think it might be, you DO NOT know where files would have wound up physically.
[01:05] <dresden> yeah thats what i was thinking is possible sauvin
[01:05] <dresden> but i was hoping it would be smart
[01:06] <DBlue> Aye, but do it with you computer off, and the power cable detached
[01:06] <sauvin> You're expecting anything from Redmond to be smart? Heh.
[01:06] <sauvin> What I'd try, on a weekend when I have nothing better to do, is to wipe the whole hard drive.
[01:06] <Aye> Alright i will try that
[01:06] <sauvin> Reinstall Windows on the entire drive. Get it working nice.
[01:06] <dresden> sauvin if i wiped the WHOLE drive it WILL work
[01:06] <Aye> gonna just fix some other drivers first
[01:06] <dresden> im trying to make ubuntu work with it as well
[01:06] <dresden> ok then what
[01:06] <sauvin> Defrag the living daylights out of it.
[01:06] <dresden> hahahaha
[01:06] <dresden> thats sad
[01:06] <sauvin> Shrink its partition.
[01:06] <sauvin> make sure it STILL works.
[01:06] <dresden> defragmenter over and over?
[01:06] <amorphous_> I have seen before a tail command switch that prints the lines as they appear (are they from dmesg?) does anyone know what this comand is?
[01:07] <sauvin> Then try installing linux.
[01:07] <dresden> sauvin i think i am just going to buy another HDD and put linux on it, which is really upsetting me, because i dont want my OS's to have all this extra space
[01:07] <sauvin> IF IT WORKS, that's when you want to make a new image of your Windows partition.
[01:07] <dresden> ok
[01:07] <dresden> im just going to buy another HDD
[01:07] <dresden> thanks for helping me realise my situtation is hopeless
[01:07] <sauvin> Oh, well, believe me, it's nothing to let Windows eat a monster hard drive. Windows itself IS a monster.
[01:08] <dresden> hahah
[01:08] <dresden> hmm what should i put linux on
[01:08] <sauvin> As for having multiple hard drives, if you have a tower and the bay space, well... O:)
[01:08] <dresden> sauvin i actually have 3 HDD and 1 CDROM
[01:08] <sauvin> There was a time I had two versions of Windows, two versions of linux and a version of freebsd all on the same computerl.
[01:08] <dresden> but 2 HDD are full of stuff, i wanted to put my OS's split on 1 HDD
[01:09] <jonathan_> somebody can help me to open files office 2007???
[01:09] <Doumyemrus> TRK' Z!
[01:09] <sauvin> Office 2007!? Eeek!
[01:09] <dresden> im not even going to try to have a dual boot from 1 HDD if its so hard
[01:09] <amorphous_> or is it a dmesg command? either way I cant find it, so can anyone suggest how I can see kernel messages as they happen?
 use openoffice
[01:09] <jonathan_> I need to open office 2007 docx....
[01:09] <dresden> sauvin how much space does ubuntu take up (i actually use the Linux Mint version of Ubuntu)
[01:09] <jonathan_> already
[01:09] <sauvin> It shouldn't be. I have XP and two different distros of linux on my laptop.
[01:09] <jonathan_> it can't
[01:09] <DBlue> Is cheaper, and betther
[01:09] <neumind> who can help me witch psybnc installation on ubuntu?
[01:09] <neumind> who can help me witch psybnc installation on ubuntu?
[01:09] <sauvin> I gave ubuntu 12 gigs.
[01:09] <dresden> well sauvin i did EXACTLY what you told me to do MINUS defragmentation
[01:10] <dresden> and it wont work, so i guess not defragging is my prob?
[01:10] <jonathan_> they read it as a zip
[01:10] <sauvin> That's what I THINK. I can't guarantee it.
[01:10] <dresden> ok should i just load my backup windows on the WHOLE drive, defrag the HELL out of it, and then give my ubuntu like 12 gigs??
[01:10] <LiberCogito> dresden: yes!
[01:11] <dresden> thanks LiberCogito lolol
[01:11] <LiberCogito> dresden: your backup isn't the car.  your harddrive is the car.
[01:11] <dresden> hahah this was a funny experience
[01:11] <dresden> man i HATE windows
[01:11] <sauvin> I gave ubuntu 12 gigs because that's the free partition I had. If I'd had my druthers, I'd have given it more.
[01:11] <mattycoze> anyone tried the new ubuntu yet?
[01:11] <jonathan_> help please
[01:11] <LiberCogito> dresden: your backup is the paint job.  you need to fix the care before the paintjob.
[01:11] <dresden> well i dont want my OS to have a lot because i want to be able to share space with my windows OS some how
 try this http://blog.zamzar.com/2007/04/10/convert-docx-files-to-doc-pdf-odt-and-txt/
[01:11] <dresden> can Linux write data on my Windows partition good???
[01:11] <dresden> (as good as windows?)
 They convert online
[01:12] <jonathan_> ok
[01:12] <sauvin> I wouldn't want to bet on it.
[01:12] <jonathan_> thx
[01:12] <LiberCogito> dresden: yes
[01:12] <DBlue> They say that
[01:12] <dresden> sauvin thinks no and libercogito things yes??
[01:12] <sauvin> What a lot of people do is create a largish FAT drive. Windows and Linux can both read and write such a partition.
[01:12] <neumind> who can help me witch psybnc installation on ubuntu?
[01:12] <jonathan_> Conversions wont work for .docx files created with pre-release versions of MS Word 2007.
[01:12] <wlfzyq>
[01:12] <dresden> sauvin if i put stuff on FAT it will rename everything to short names like THIS right?
[01:12] <faileas> nope
[01:12] <PriceChild> !cn | wlfzyq
[01:12] <ubotu> wlfzyq: For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[01:13] <faileas> FAT after win95 supports LFN
[01:13] <wlfzyq> sorry! i first
[01:13] <dresden> whats LFN/
[01:13] <dresden> oh long file names
[01:13] <dresden> +
[01:13] <sauvin> I think people wanting to access office 2007 files may have to wait a while for the opensource folks to catch up :(
[01:13] <dresden> +
[01:13] <dresden> sorry dropped my mouse on my keyboard twice hitting the + key hehe
 Then open the file in somewhere where therei stupid office 2007, and saved as doc
[01:13] <Mr_NZ> I have just installed ubuntu-mythtv-frontend but it comes up on boot and I don't want it to
[01:13] <Mr_NZ> how do i stop it
[01:13] <sauvin> The one thing I do NOT appreciate about FAT is that it doesn't support permissions or ownership.
[01:13] <wlfzyq>
[01:13] <dresden> sauvin have you heard of Linux Mint and do you like it?
[01:13] <wlfzyq>
[01:13] <wlfzyq>
[01:13] <dresden> its what i use, they say its just Ubuntu with more stuff put in
[01:13] <sauvin> I have no idea what Mint might be.
[01:14] <LiberCogito> sauvin: its just ubuntu with a green theme.
[01:14] <dresden> type it in google is Ubuntu that can play MP3s and stuff right off
[01:14] <sean> ew @ mint
[01:14] <dresden> its supposed to be the same thing with extra stuff
[01:14] <jonathan_> anybody use ubuntu 7.10?
[01:14] <dresden> when i type linux in google its like the first thing that comes up on certain searches
[01:14] <LiberCogito> dresden: that extra stuff takes 7 minutes to setup, tops.
[01:14] <neumind> who can help me witch psybnc installation on ubuntu?!
[01:14] <sauvin> Oh, if you give me a computer with a plain vanilla linux and a working Internet connexion, I'll have a linux loaded with 'features' inside of a week.
[01:14] <sean> *cough* same thing - just more stuff to screw up
[01:14] <dresden> heheh true
[01:15] <sauvin> Sheah, my ubuntu plays just about anything.
[01:15] <dresden> i love how ubuntu can use divx or whatever it is
[01:15] <dresden> i never ever had to download a codec
[01:15] <dresden> is ubuntu packed with codecs and things?
[01:15] <LiberCogito> dresden: my ubuntu can install rpms its so hot.
[01:15] <borzun> hello
[01:15] <sauvin> I can't remember if I had to download anything to get divx to play; I DO know I had to install libdvcss to play my DVD movies. Big deal.
[01:15] <dresden> wow arent rpms for different distros?
[01:15] <LiberCogito> dresden: nope.
[01:15] <PriceChild> dresden, no, but they're easily installed with the easy codec instillation
[01:16] <dresden> how do i get teh easy codec installation
[01:16] <borzun> http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/7199/molettedo3.jpg how to do it as on windows?
[01:16] <bullgard4> Can phpMyAdmin display the content of a data field of 'memo' type similar to the Microsoft Access or OO.o Base forms?
[01:16] <perpetual> Question: How do I make gnome-screensaver span two monitors, instead of displaying two separate screensavers on each monitor? I use nvidia drivers with twinview.
[01:16] <LiberCogito> dresden: yep.  redhat package manager.
[01:16] <dresden> thats cool
[01:16] <sean> lol @ codec
[01:16] <larson9999> dresden, depending on file you have to install codecs.  non free stuff isn't installed by default
[01:16] <dresden> i dont know hwy people use other distros now that ubuntu is out
[01:16] <perpetual> I cannot find it in the fora
[01:16] <sean> dresden, linux is all about freedom
[01:16] <spectre__> hi to all,I need to login in ubuntu as root.where can I do it ? If I try to do in terminal or in the opening graphic login I can't do that.thanks to all
[01:16] <sean> diff dists for diff needs
[01:17] <DBlue> gksudo
[01:17] <perpetual> spectre__, sudo su -
[01:17] <dresden> ok so LiberCogito or Sauvin , do you guys think I can move all my linux data (downloads and such) to an NTFS USB HDD without problems???
[01:17] <DBlue> I want too to log on as root, but the account is disabled in Ubuntu
[01:17] <perpetual> DBlue, sudo su -
[01:17] <LiberCogito> dresden: fat32 would be better.
[01:17] <dresden> why is fat32 better?
[01:17] <perpetual> DBlue, then do passwd
[01:17] <savadda> Hi, im having trouble installing ubuntu on my laptop, it seems to load the initial screen and i click start install, it loads loads a variety of drivers, it finally loads to a screen with ubuntu written in the centre, where it seems to hang i think, the hard drive light goes crazy, but nothing happens!
[01:18] <DBlue> AN
[01:18] <spectre__> thanks perpetual
[01:18] <DBlue> d
[01:18] <LiberCogito> dresden: it works out of the box.
[01:18] <howlingmadhowie> dresden: possibly, but i wouldn't delete the originals afterwards
[01:18] <dresden> ok
[01:18] <LiberCogito> *cries* google people, google.
[01:18] <Mr_NZ> ?
[01:18] <sauvin> dresden, FAT32 has larger capacity.
[01:18] <dresden> i have a problem because i have loads of data on my USB HDD i created with WIndows 2000, and that HDD uses NTFS...and i want to delete this HDD and keep my data
[01:18] <LiberCogito> sean: sudo pass me the pretzels.
[01:18] <neumind> how Be sure your terminal program allows    the handling of curses ?
[01:18] <dresden> whats the advantage of NTFS if its so bad??
[01:18] <borzun> http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/7199/molettedo3.jpg how to do it as on windows?
[01:18] <perpetual> DBlue, to log in as root in login screen, change AllowRoot=false to true in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[01:19] <sean> beth sudo no
[01:19] <sean> lol
[01:19] <LiberCogito> command not found
[01:19] <sean> or just go to the login screen prefs
[01:19] <howlingmadhowie> dresden: ntfs supports access rights. fat doesn't
[01:19] <sean> lol
[01:19] <dresden> oh
[01:19] <dresden> is that hte only difference??
[01:19] <dresden> thats stupid
[01:19] <sean> more security
[01:19] <sean> it's not stupid
[01:19] <DBlue> Oh thanks, what relief, do you know how many times i have written my 15 char password
[01:19] <howlingmadhowie> dresden: it's the only important one i can think of at the moment
[01:19] <sean> wiki it dresden
[01:19] <sauvin> The advantage of NTFS is that it's what Windows uses. In fact, I'm not aware that Windows can use anything ELSE (except maybe FAT32 - anybody know of XP or higher actually having this ability?)
[01:19] <dresden> i never used access writes before in my decade of windows using
[01:20] <faileas> yup
[01:20] <sauvin> NTFS sits atop a FAT core?
[01:20] <LiberCogito> sauvin: just fat and ntfs
[01:20] <faileas> more accurately
[01:20] <howlingmadhowie> sauvin: xp can use fat32, but it's artificially limited to some small size
[01:20] <dresden> so are you guys saying i should NOT have formatted my removable USB HDD for NTFS?? that tehy would be compatible with windows using FAT32??
[01:20] <spectre__> thanks perpetual ,all works right
[01:20] <spectre__> bye
[01:20] <neumind> how Be sure your terminal program allows    the handling of curses ?
[01:20] <faileas> windows BOOTS NTFS and fat. windows can read any thing
[01:20] <EJ> \\'elcome ack Jesus
[01:20] <perpetual> DBlue, of course, using gnome as root, you can destroy your system with one bad mouse move in nautilus. And don't use the browser.
[01:20] <LiberCogito> faileas: what are you smoking?
[01:20] <faileas> howlingmadhowie: its ability to format NOT read fat drives is limited, to be more presise ;)
[01:20] <sean> windows CAN'T read anything faileas
[01:21] <LiberCogito> faileas: windows has NO clue what anything but fat32 and ntfs are.
[01:21] <sauvin> faileas, you're saying that it'd be possible to (for example) format a partition ext2, install Windows on it and expect it to run?
[01:21] <howlingmadhowie> dresden: you can install drivers so that windows can read any open file system format, as far as i know
[01:21] <faileas> sean: mine reads EXT3. swap, etc. windows has a load of thired party file systems
[01:21] <dresden> cool
[01:21] <malgar> hello, i have python 2.5 but i don't find OpenGL bindings in my repositories (ubuntu feisty and gutsy).. there are only those for 2.4. where to search?
[01:21] <hans> uit
[01:21] <neumind> i have a problem : *]  Creating Menu, please wait.
[01:21] <neumind> This needs the ncurses library. If it is not available, menuconf wont work. If you are using curses, use make menuconfig-curses instead.
[01:21] <neumind> make: *** [menuconfig]  Error 1
[01:21] <howlingmadhowie> faileas: okay :) i didn't know that :)
[01:21] <Sithe> is sean here?
[01:21] <sean> sithe, right here homie
[01:21] <faileas> sauvin: it can't BOOT from anything but NTFS and FAT. it can have third party FS installed as IFS, or have raw disk filters
[01:21] <DBlue> perpetual,what other conf are there in Ubuntu, cause I'm using Ubuntu only 4 months, and SuSe 3 years
[01:21] <sean> and faileas put down the pipe, linux > fs support than windows otb
[01:21] <Sithe> sean im getting the Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[01:21] <Sithe> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[01:21] <Sithe> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[01:21] <Sithe> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[01:21] <Sithe> OpenGL version string: 1.4 (1.5 Mesa 6.5.2)
[01:22] <Sithe>  stuff again
[01:22] <howlingmadhowie> neumind: why are you compiling libncurses?
[01:22] <sean> are you running the xgl server now Sithe
[01:22] <sauvin> There's a BIG-ass difference between "having RW capability via IFS" and "running on".
[01:22] <dresden> sauvin, cogito, so because NTFS is a microsoft thing, is ubuntu just as good as windows at writing data onto a NTFS drive??? (i do NOT mean installing ubuntu to NTFS)
[01:22] <Sithe> idk how......
[01:22] <perpetual> DBlue, eh .. can you rephrase your question?
[01:22] <faileas> sean: i didn't say it was 'better'. i said windows tan more than one system
[01:22] <LiberCogito> faileas: So what you're saying is that you can get it to read other FS with unsupported software.  That sounds peachy.  Really.
[01:22] <Sithe> <------LINUX NOOB
[01:22] <faileas> sauvin: IFS = FUSE ;)
[01:22] <neumind> this is outo
[01:22] <sean> faileas,  yes, but it doesn't do it nearly as well, or even half as safe ;)
[01:22] <Sithe> sean how do I run the xgl serveR?
[01:23] <sauvin> dresden, linux can read NTFS volumes reliably. I think the community at large is still deeply suspicious of WRITE capability.
[01:23] <faileas> never had any data loss with it
[01:23] <dresden> oh ok
[01:23] <DBlue> perpetual, i mean like for grub menu file i know this, what about nautilus conf, is there such thing?
[01:23] <sean> Sithe, when you login, it has the session option, what is your default?
[01:23] <faileas> only real issues is with ACLs and fuse has that too
[01:23] <dresden> sauvin how do i transfer data i create on linux, to my windows NTFS partition???
[01:23] <sauvin> dresden, I'd do that from Windows.
[01:23] <Sithe> session option? where?
[01:23] <howlingmadhowie> dresden: so it looks like, if you could use linux to create a large fat partition on the drive, this partition cold be written to and read by windows and linux (and also solaris, os x etc.)
[01:23] <sean> faileas, least *nix has jfs'
[01:23] <dresden> but windows cant read my linux partition
[01:23] <larson9999> sauvin, i think that's old data.  for my money write has been stable for some time.  but what do i know?
[01:23] <sauvin> Actually, what I'd do is copy all the files to a FAT32 partition.
[01:23] <dresden> thats a good idea howlingmadhowie
[01:23] <perpetual> DBlue, well, if I do  find . -name "*.conf*" | wc , I get<PHONE_NUMBER>
[01:24] <Sithe> sean i have know idea what your talking about
[01:24] <faileas> dresden: mine can
[01:24] <dresden> should i use FAT32 specifically?? is that hte best recommendation to transfer files between?
[01:24] <dresden> nice
[01:24] <DBlue> perpetual, and now the root account will look like, when i log in in it.
[01:24] <sean> urg... hm, Sithe, what exactly is happening?
[01:24] <faileas> dresden, yes
[01:24] <dresden> ok
[01:24] <emman101> where can i download codeblocks IDE for C ubuntu?
[01:24] <Sithe> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[01:24] <Sithe> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[01:24] <Sithe> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[01:24] <Sithe> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[01:24] <Sithe> OpenGL version string: 1.4 (1.5 Mesa 6.5.2)
[01:24] <sean> is it after reboot, when does it happen that you lose the fglrxinfo showing the ati?
[01:24] <sauvin> larson9999, I have no idea what you know. You may well know a crapload more than I do, because I'll be the first to admit I'm still playing catch-up from being out of the game for a few years.
[01:24] <DBlue> perpetual, cause in SuSe was red backgroung an warrning
[01:24] <LiberCogito> sauvin: you know what works even better? DVDs.  They dont have mount or boot issues.  and they're less complicated for our dear friend dresden
[01:24] <sean> oh, Sithe, check the xorg.conf again for me for the composite disabled
[01:24] <Sithe> sean yeah it goes back to that everytime I reboot
[01:24] <howlingmadhowie> dresden: you need fat32 if you want to create a partitions larger than <some small size you can look up on wikipedia>
[01:25] <Sithe> sean ok
[01:25] <dresden> lol libercogito
[01:25] <sean> lol
[01:25] <dresden> hahaha ok
[01:25] <sauvin> LiberCogito, I've heard that different DVD writers can do proprietary things such that what's written with one drive isn't necessarily readable by the other.
[01:25] <larson9999> sauvin, then again, who'd but important stuff on ntfs?  :)
[01:25] <emman101> anybody knows where can i download codeblocks IDE for C ubuntu?
[01:25] <LiberCogito> sauvin: erm.... no?
[01:25] <sean> wow...
[01:25] <sauvin> larson9999, um, Windows wienies?
[01:25] <sean> omg
[01:25] <sean> just wow
[01:26] <savadda> Hi, im having trouble installing ubuntu on my laptop, it seems to load the initial screen and i click start install, it loads loads a variety of drivers, it finally loads to a screen with ubuntu written in the centre, where it seems to hang i think, the hard drive light goes crazy, but nothing happens!
[01:26] <Sithe> sean: its at 0
[01:26] <sauvin> emman101, load up the Synaptics Package Manager and look around.
[01:26] <sean> set it to disabled Sithe
[01:26] <perpetual> DBlue, you make contorted sentences, and incomplete too. I have trouble understanding you
[01:26] <sean> not 0
[01:26] <sean> then restart x and try again for me plz
[01:26] <spectre__> dear man,I'm logged in a terminal window as root,but if I try to run gparted from it i get an error,and I'f I try to run it from gnome it works but I can't do resize or others operation,can you help me ? thanks
[01:26] <howlingmadhowie> dresden: i think, most transferal from ntfs to ext3 and vice versa happens through a samba server
[01:26] <Sithe> sean: How do I do that. It says: Section "Extensions"
[01:26] <Sithe> 	Option	    "Composite" "0"    right now
[01:26] <dresden> i have no idea what that means lol
[01:26] <dresden> i dont even know what samba is
[01:26] <sean> change the 0 to disabled
[01:27] <sauvin> perpetual, not everybody that into the channel who might come are in countries wherein English spoken or taught even born are.
[01:27] <Sithe> dresden: samba is a character in the lion king
[01:27] <dresden> hahahaha
[01:27] <dresden> hahaha
[01:27] <sean> or copy and paste it to a new line directly below it, and set it to disabled, so you'd have one w. 0 and one reading disabled
[01:27] <sean> lmao
[01:27] <dresden> that perfeclty fits, the lion king
[01:27] <LiberCogito> sean: I have this sudden compulsion to start drinking again.
[01:27] <Sithe> sean: does capitolization matter?
[01:27] <Chousuke> Sithe: that's simba ;(
[01:27] <dresden> with all the other confusion im reading
[01:27] <howlingmadhowie> dresden: samba is the open-source implementation of the smb-protocol of microsoft (at some stage they let slip how it worked or it got reverse engineered or something). it allows network sharing with a windows computer
[01:27] <sean> meee to LiberCogito
[01:27] <DBlue> perpetual, cause in SuSe was red background and warning, sorry about that but i touch the insert button by misstake
[01:27] <Sithe> Chousuke: My bad= )
[01:27] <sean> "Disabled"
[01:27] <dresden> nice howlingmadhowie
[01:27] <sean> capital d Sithe
[01:27] <sauvin> Samba is a server/client thing having to do with SMB blocks, iirc; Windows thing.
[01:27] <ZeroA4> sauvin, There are 2 writable DVD standards DVD-R(W), DVD+R(w). They are incompatible with each other but are compatible with DVD-Video e DVD-Audio
[01:27] <dresden> im not going to use it though im going to make FAT32
[01:27] <bullgard4> Is it possible to edit the messages that I have sent and which are stored in my Irssi? Sometimes it seems that I succeeded but at other times not.
[01:28] <Sithe> sean: alright I did that
[01:28] <sean> then save, close, and restart x
[01:28] <ssammy> savadda: I had the same problem on a Thinkpad T20
[01:28] <perpetual> sauvin, no excuse. I'm dutch. I learned english too. Not perfect, but quite understandable.
[01:28] <neumind> who is inetd?
[01:28] <sauvin> "who"?
[01:28] <Sithe> sean: restart X?
[01:28] <sean> yep, ctrl+alt+bksp
[01:28] <sauvin> perpetual, you were saying? :D My wife spoke really broken English, too.
[01:28] <howlingmadhowie> neumind: inetd is the super-demon
[01:28] <LiberCogito> perpetual: You write it with greater clarity than many native speakers. :)  Kudos.
[01:29] <sean> lol beth ilu
[01:29] <LiberCogito> ily!
[01:29] <ssammy> savadda: it was the cd-rom drive
[01:29] <Sithe> Alright Sean should I run an fglrxinfo?
[01:29] <dresden> OK Sauvin and LiberCogito and others, heres my new plan, please tell me if its a good idea OK?? 1) wipe the whole HDD and load my working Win2kPro NTFS backup on the WHOLE drive (as i normally do),  2) Defrag the HELL out of it,  3) shrink NTFS and create 42 GB free space,  4) create a 30 GB FAT32 space,  and 4) then create a 12 GB free space for ubuntu  5) install ubuntu,  6) use FAT32 to transfer files inbetween OS ??????
[01:29] <dresden>  good idea??
[01:29] <sean> plz and thank you Sithe
[01:29] <sauvin> anyhow, perpetual, kudos to you and your excellent English, but not everybody can hope to aspire to such lofty heights of mastery.
[01:29] <neumind> neumind@neumind-system:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/proftpd restart
[01:29] <neumind> ProFTPd is started from inetd.
[01:29] <neumind> problem?
[01:29] <Sithe> sean Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[01:29] <Sithe> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[01:29] <Sithe> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[01:29] <Sithe> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[01:29] <Sithe> OpenGL version string: 1.4 (1.5 Mesa 6.5.2)
[01:30] <perpetual> sauvin, ah the joy it must be if my wife would not know my language at all. How quiet that would be...
[01:30] <savadda> ssammy: what do u mean it was the cd rom drive?
[01:30] <larson9999> i can't get my wife to study english.  she's ok but she should study a bit each day.  she doesn't work.
[01:30] <howlingmadhowie> neumind: or to be exact, rather than having 10 different demons on your computer waiting for a request to come through the network, you just have one (inetd) and inetd starts the right program to handle the request
[01:30] <Chousuke> dresden: Ubuntu can safely write files to NTFS
[01:30] <sauvin> LOL!!!
[01:30] <LiberCogito> dresden: sounds okay.
[01:30] <Chousuke> dresden: with ntfs-3g
[01:30] <dresden> chousuke sauvin and libercogito told me not to
[01:30] <Sithe> Sean should I run those 4 commands from earlier?
[01:30] <sean> Sithe, did you upgdate the fglrx driver at any point?
[01:30] <ZeroA4> dresden, it ok but you can use NTFS too.. Ubuntu 7.04 has NTFS 3G suport
[01:30] <neumind> howlingmadhowie:  so how i can restart me proftp?
[01:30] <Sithe> sean: no
[01:30] <sean> Sithe, you can try the 4 commands
[01:30] <LiberCogito> Chousuke: it still has its bugs.
[01:30] <dresden> what is this 3G NTFS im hearing
[01:30] <Chousuke> dresden: it's safe. You don't need fat32
[01:30] <sean> and then restart x and let me know what happens
[01:30] <Donner> moinsen
[01:30] <spectre__> dear perpetual,I'm logged in a terminal window as root,but if I try to run gparted from it i get an error,and I'f I try to run it from gnome it works but I can't do resize or others operation,can you help me ? thanks
[01:30] <twosouls82> !ntfs
[01:30] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[01:30] <B-rabbit> hi guyz, does anyone know how to change the default home page of konqueror?
[01:30] <sean> it seems like the fglrx driver may not be loading
[01:30] <Chousuke> LiberCogito: It does, but it'll refuse operations that would not succeed.
[01:31] <howlingmadhowie> dresden: almost. windows won't let you create a 30G fat32 partition
[01:31] <dresden> sauvin and libercogito what do you think, im hearing about all this miracle 3G stuff
[01:31] <Chousuke> LiberCogito: so it won't break NTFS partitions
[01:31] <Sithe> sean: they are all sudo'd right?
[01:31] <sauvin> Chousoke, it's best to take a conservative approach with these things. Leave the NTFS write capapility to the pioneers for a while.
[01:31] <dresden> howlingmadhowie THAT SUCKS
[01:31] <sean> Chousuke, ntfs-3g doesn't have flawless write support
[01:31] <ssammy> savadda: yap...the cd-rom drive did not read correctly...I burnt another cd and it worked
[01:31] <Chousuke> sauvin: it's been widely tested already.
[01:31] <howlingmadhowie> neumind: is there an entry /etc/init.d/proftpd?
[01:31] <sean> it's still experimental at best
[01:31] <dresden> aahh i have no plan any more if windows wont let me make a 30 GB FAT32
[01:31] <Chousuke> sean: true, but it works
[01:31] <sean> Sithe, yes, suda them all
[01:31] <neumind> howlingmadhowie:  yes
[01:31] <howlingmadhowie> dresden: so you have to create that partition from ubuntu
[01:31] <Chousuke> sean: and it's not experimental either.
[01:31] <dresden> ahahh i have no plan any more!!
[01:31] <Chousuke> sean: it's just not complete.
[01:31] <dresden> but howlingmadhowie will it still be read from windows?
[01:31] <howlingmadhowie> neumind: try: sudo /etc/init.d/proftpd start
[01:32] <dresden> can windows READ a 30 GB FAT32?
[01:32] <twosouls82> dresden: In Linux you don't have the 30GB limit, when creating a FAT32 partition
[01:32] <Sithe> sean: andrew@Andrew:~$ sudo modprobe fglrx
[01:32] <Sithe> FATAL: Module fglrx not found.
[01:32] <sean> Chousuke, you just dumbfounded me lol
[01:32] <sauvin> Dresden, stick with FAT32 for common areas for a while, mmkay?
[01:32] <PriceChild> dresden, yes
[01:32] <dresden> ok
[01:32] <LiberCogito> Chousuke: Read that back to yourself and tell me you honestly think it makes sense.
[01:32] <larson9999> does gparted live have a new maintainer?
[01:32] <neumind> howlingmadhowie:  ProFTPd is started from inetd/xinetd.
[01:32] <dresden> awesome so i can make a 30GB FAT32 from linux, and it will be read from windows???
[01:32] <ZeroA4> dresden, you can create FAT32 on linux... Windows reads it
[01:32] <twosouls82> dresden: and windows can read a 30 GB plus part, eventhough it can't create itself
[01:32] <savadda> ssammy thanks for that ill try burn another copy
[01:32] <dresden> wow i HATE microsoft
[01:32] <howlingmadhowie> dresden: if i remember correctly, windows will just say that a new drive has been discovered and try to mount it. windows can apparently read up to the file system size limit for FAT32, it just can't create it
[01:32] <perpetual> spectre__, what does gparted say?
[01:32] <sean> Sithe, try to reinstall the fglrx driver, and re-run those commands
[01:32] <Chousuke> LiberCogito, sean: there are some cases where NTFS-3g is not able to perform a write. It'll however refuse the operation in that case, so no damage will be done
[01:32] <dresden> thanks howlingmadhowie and others
[01:33] <Sithe> sean: how can I reinstall it?
[01:33] <ssammy> savadda: Try it...maybe it works for you too
[01:33] <sean> Chousuke, are you a developer of the ntfs-3g driver?
[01:33] <twosouls82> sauvin: 30 GB on windows, 100 GB + on Linux
[01:33] <Chousuke> sean: no.
[01:33] <LiberCogito> Chousuke: Yes, and Vista is a stable groundbreaking OS.  Don't believe all the documentation you read.
[01:33] <sauvin> Windows can deal with 100GB FAT32 volumes?
[01:33] <pawan1> hi
[01:33] <twosouls82> sauvin: yep
[01:33] <ZeroA4> sauvin, i think its 130 or 160 GB maximum partition size and 2G maximum file size
[01:33] <dresden> hahahahaha vista sucks i have vista ultimate and i uninstalled that CRAP
[01:34] <dresden> it actually was compatible with me too
[01:34] <sauvin> Windows Vista is about as stable as my lower GI after eating too many baked beans.
[01:34] <twosouls82> sauvin: no creating them, but using them in Windows is fine
[01:34] <taxman> sauvin: yes, I have a 90GB working fine. Ubuntu seems to think there is a 4gb per file limit that Windows doesn't though
[01:34] <Chousuke> LiberCogito: I haven't really seen any reports of NTFS volumes broken by ntfs-3g yet.
[01:34] <howlingmadhowie> dresden: reading on wikipedia: fat32 can be used for partitions up to 4TB in size (4000 GB). the maximum file size is however only 4GB
[01:34] <Chousuke> LiberCogito: But I do know it's widely used
[01:34] <dresden> taxman i cant have a 4GB or higher file on FAT32?
[01:34] <dresden> on linux?
[01:34] <Chousuke> true
[01:34] <taxman> dresden: I couldn't
[01:34] <Chousuke> not on windows either
[01:34] <dresden> crap i have huge files
[01:34] <Sithe> sean: how do I reinstall fglrx?
[01:34] <sauvin> dresden, if you have a 4GB file to worry about, you've got other problems.
[01:35] <dresden> i have files that are sometimes 10s of GB !!!!!!
[01:35] <howlingmadhowie> dresden: that seems to be a problem with FAT32
[01:35] <Chousuke> then you will have to use ntfs
[01:35] <taxman> Chousuke: I have many 4+GB files in Windows on Fat32
[01:35] <dresden> its ok il just break them down in linux before i send them to windows2000 pro
[01:35] <ZeroA4> dresden, no... FAT32 does not have suport for bigger tahn 2GB or 4GB file
[01:35] <twosouls82> dresden: that's why a lot of "pioneers" try ntfs-3g.. you can only have < 4 GB files on FAT32
[01:35] <sean> Sithe, open synaptic, look for the fglrx driver by doing a search for fglrx, mark it for a re-install
[01:35] <dresden> ok thats ok il break them in linux into pieces
[01:35] <ZeroA4> dresden, use NTFS
[01:35] <twosouls82> hahaha
[01:35] <dresden> thanks for heads up
[01:35] <LiberCogito> Chousuke: don't read, eh?  googling "feisty ntfs write broken" returns 60,400 results.
[01:35] <Sithe> sean: alright
[01:35] <pawan> which is the best of till now
[01:35] <dresden> zero everybody here seems to think NTFS is not a good choice for linux to write on
[01:36] <sean> dresden, it's not
[01:36] <taxman> eh, maybe XP is smart enough to auto break up largefiles in FAT32 and just not tell me
[01:36] <Chousuke> I wouldn't be so worried. NTFS-3g already has a stable release.
[01:36] <dresden> im confused as to why we're divided on this issue
[01:36] <sauvin> It's not.
[01:36] <sauvin> dresden, part of the problem is one of perception.
[01:36] <Sithe> sean: should I re-install everything that has a green checkbox?
[01:36] <dresden> ok
[01:36] <dresden> sauvin you recommend i use FAT32 right?
[01:36] <dresden> il do that
[01:36] <sean> nope, just the fglrx driver
[01:36] <Sithe> k
[01:36] <twosouls82> dresden: I use it on two boxes here, since the feisty release... never had problems with it.. still I don't recommend it on production boxes
[01:36] <sauvin> Yup. It's been around a while and is well understood. NTFS isn't.
[01:36] <faileas> taxman, nope, it dosen't
[01:36] <dresden> ok
[01:37] <LiberCogito> Chousuke: you know what happened when I tried to write to NTFS?
[01:37] <dresden> thank you every one
[01:37] <Sithe> sean: xorg-driver-fglrx?
[01:37] <ZeroA4> taxman, I think XP just let is pass but them you cant edit the file... just delete it
[01:37] <Chousuke> LiberCogito: with ntfs-3g?
[01:37] <Sithe> sean: or fglrx-kerel-source?
[01:37] <sean> Sithe, yes'ir
[01:37] <spectre__> perpetual: gparted says "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'Glib::OptionError'
[01:37] <spectre__> Aborted (core dumped)"
[01:37] <larson9999> dresden ZeroA4 i've been writing ntfs with ubuntu on 3 different machines for about 2 years now.  pretty heavy writing and no issues yet.  but you know what they say about 'works for me!'
[01:37] <Chousuke> No, I don't. What?
[01:37] <LiberCogito> Chousuke: It unmounted the drive.  permanently.  It could not be remount, no matter what I did.
[01:37] <dresden> hahah
[01:37] <howlingmadhowie> dresden: according to the wikipedia article, windows can create fat32 partitions up to 32GB in size.
[01:37] <LiberCogito> Chousuke: yep.  had to reinstall ubuntu.
[01:37] <dresden> i will go with the safest option any way
[01:37] <taxman> could be, I don't edit them
[01:37] <LiberCogito> Chousuke: But hey, the documentation says it works, so that must be true!
[01:37] <Sithe> sean: Alright re-installed
[01:37] <Chousuke> sounds like you did something wrong then :P
[01:37] <dresden> oh wow, why did so many say otherwise here holwingmadhowie??
[01:38] <LiberCogito> Chousuke: It also completely corrupted a hard drive on a completely different computer.
[01:38] <perpetual> spectre__, hmm.
[01:38] <ZeroA4> larson9999, i have used ntfs-3g too... no problems here, Vista and XP
[01:38] <sean> now run the 4 commands as sudo, restart x, and run fglrxino for me plz Sithe
[01:38] <LiberCogito> Chousuke: Sounds like you're an idiot that believes any documentation.
[01:38] <Sithe> sean alright
[01:38] <twosouls82> dresden: I would make a large fat32 partition for the important files to be shared.. and a smaller ntfs partition for dvds etc (if you wan't to share those rw too)
[01:38] <dresden> hey i saw a..... review on the.....internet..that vista was the perfect OS and we should all buy it.........lol
[01:38] <howlingmadhowie> neumind: sorry, i got distracted. it seems like you need an inetd. do you have openbsd-inetd ?
[01:38] <spectre__> but if i try to run it from the gnome it works but it's all locked,i think because in gnome i am as user and not as root
[01:39] <dresden> ok thats what i was thinking twosouls82
[01:39] <twosouls82> dresden: they are payed to say that?
[01:39] <neumind> i dont know
[01:39] <dresden> ehhehhehehe i was joking
[01:39] <twosouls82> bad joke =)
[01:39] <Chousuke> LiberCogito: I don't know what happened with your disk, but I resent being called an idiot. :P
[01:39] <dresden> but yes i actually read that
[01:39] <howlingmadhowie> dresden: of course, if you do that, you're getting close to breaking the maximum number of partitions on a harddisk
[01:39] <dresden> a lot of people seem to think vista is the :wave of the future
[01:39] <faileas> naw
[01:39] <dresden> wow theres a maximum??
[01:39] <faileas> its ME XP ;)
[01:39] <dresden> i thought you could have unlimitd partitions
[01:39] <twosouls82> they should try mac and reconsider
[01:39] <sauvin> Chousoke, I don't call you an idiot, but it's not necessarily accusing you of BEING an idiot to suggest that you SOUND like one.
[01:40] <LiberCogito> Chousuke: And I resent that you think that your personal OPINION is somehow more relavent to an actual experience.
[01:40] <LiberCogito> *than an
[01:40] <neumind> howlingmadhowie:  i dont know
[01:40] <larson9999> heck, i haven't been able to have a windows installation that could read ntfs for more than a few months without it telling me it was missing some important dll that was write there.  i'd say linux does a better job with ntfs than windows :)
[01:40] <Chousuke> LiberCogito: which version of ntfs-3g was this?
[01:40] <perpetual> spectre__, so then do sudo <program>
[01:40] <dresden> lol
[01:40] <Lustblader> how to enable my usb device.. it works in windoze but not in linux.. all it says is "no media in drive"
[01:40] <LiberCogito> Chousuke: not at either computer,so I couldn't tell you.
[01:40] <LiberCogito> Chousuke: Nor do I really care to.
[01:40] <spectre__> perpetual,ok,I'M trying now
[01:40] <sauvin> larson, i've never had THAT happen; I've never had files wink out of existence.
[01:40] <perpetual> spectre__, you need to be root to be able to change partitions
[01:40] <LiberCogito> Chousuke: Three other people witnessed both crashes.  It happened.  Deal.
[01:40] <ZeroA4> dresden, you can have a vaery big number of logical volumes on a extended partition , but only 4 partitions
[01:41] <sauvin> Lustblader, what's the device?
[01:41] <Sithe> sean: Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[01:41] <Sithe> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[01:41] <Sithe> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[01:41] <Sithe> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[01:41] <Sithe> OpenGL version string: 1.4 (1.5 Mesa 6.5.2)
[01:41] <dresden> wow thanks zero thanks so much i did not know this!!!!!
[01:41] <sean> sitting beside LiberCogito, Chousuke, witnessed both...
[01:41] <LiberCogito> Lustblader: does it have a usb flash drive attached?
[01:41] <howlingmadhowie> neumind: do you have /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd
[01:41] <LiberCogito> !paste | sithe
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[01:41] <Lustblader> a 1 gig usb device that appears as a floppy drive + usb in windows
[01:41] <ZeroA4> dresden, :)
[01:41] <dresden> the ubuntu pastebin is such a good idea
[01:41] <sauvin> What is the device?
[01:42] <Sithe> !paste | LiberCogito
[01:42] <ubotu> LiberCogito: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:42] <spectre__> perpetual,I get the same error "root@spectre-laptop:~# sudo gparted
[01:42] <spectre__> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'Glib::OptionError'
[01:42] <spectre__> Aborted (core dumped)
[01:42] <spectre__> "
[01:42] <neumind> howlingmadhowie:  no
[01:42] <howlingmadhowie> neumind: try installing it
[01:42] <neumind> how?
[01:42] <sean> Sithe,  try this link http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide
[01:42] <sean> follow the guide, and let me know
[01:42] <howlingmadhowie> neumind: though i'm surprised it isn't automatically installed as part of proftp
[01:42] <Sithe> sean: k
[01:43] <howlingmadhowie> neumind: system->administration->synaptic package manager
[01:43] <perpetual> spectre__, well, maybe gparted has a bug. There are several other partitioning programs: fdisk, cfdisk, sfdisk, normal parted, and some gnome program too
[01:43] <dresden> can anybody tell me about the linux file system??? is it the best in the world?? what if i installed linux on FAT32??
[01:43] <spectre__> ok,thanks perpetual
[01:43] <Lustblader> LiberCogito: any ideas?
[01:43] <LiberCogito> dresden: ext3
[01:43] <sean> spectre__, qtparted also
[01:43] <perpetual> spectre__, what are you trying to accomplish?
[01:43] <neumind> howlingmadhowie:  then what?
[01:43] <Sithe> sean: I dont hav Dapper I have Fiesty
[01:43] <sauvin> dresden, YOU DO NOT WANT TO INSTALL LINUX ON FAT32.
[01:43] <howlingmadhowie> dresden: i don't think you can. linux needs rights
[01:43] <dresden> yeah is ext3 "friggan awesome"
[01:43] <dresden> thanks
[01:43] <dresden> i wont sauvin thanks for heads up
[01:43] <LiberCogito> Lustblader: reformat it with a partition editor.
[01:44] <howlingmadhowie> neumind: i'm sure you can find openbsd-inetd yourself. how did you install proftpd?
[01:44] <sean> same instruction guide Sithe
[01:44] <dresden> so is ext3 "freaking awesome" or what??
[01:44] <Sithe> sean: alright
[01:44] <perpetual> dresden, eh, there is ext2, ext3, reiserfs, jfs, xfs and many others
[01:44] <dresden> wow
[01:44] <Chousuke> ext3 is the safest bet
[01:44] <neumind> howlingmadhowie:  witch ubuntu feisty help
[01:44] <neumind> howlingmadhowie:  you know it?
[01:44] <dresden> im just curious how awesome ext3 is
[01:44] <sauvin> I said that FAT32 has been around a while and is well understood. What I didn't tell you is that part of the reason it's halfway reliable is that it's dumber than a box of rocks.
[01:44] <andyp_> hi
[01:44] <howlingmadhowie> dresden: linux supports about 100 different file systems
[01:44] <spectre__> perpetual:i need to resize the boot partition,now i 'm trying qtparted
[01:44] <sean> dresden, i like reiser personally
[01:44] <dresden> hahaha hows it dumber
[01:44] <dresden> sauvin
[01:45] <larson9999> sauvin, oh? actually a pretty common issue when i last used windows much.  at work the support guys had a bat file on their thumbdrives for the problem.  maybe it's not an issue anymore but google windows won't boot missing dll and you'll get lots of hits.
[01:45] <root> When I enable beryl I get 3D but I don't get the window.  I get what is inside the window just not the part that you can drag and close the window. Do you have any Idea what might be the problem?
[01:45] <sauvin> I'm rather partial to ext3. I've heard scare stories about reiserfs but didn't have any trouble with it the few months I actually used it.
[01:45] <howlingmadhowie> neumind: i've never used the help in ubuntu.
[01:45] <dresden> ok well il use ext3 because its my linx mint (ubuntu) default
[01:45] <Lustblader> LiberCogito: gparted can't see the usb drive.. all it sees is my regular hard discs
[01:45] <perpetual> dresden, you can compare them on features. ext3 is not too good compared to say reiserfs of jfs. Everyone who knows about filesystems seems to say that SUNs zfs is the best filesystem ever made.
[01:45] <andyp_> i am useding xterm with a command  that I want the ouput to go to a file say called output what is the command
[01:45] <dresden> nice
[01:45] <howlingmadhowie> stanthefisher: yes, this is a known problem. i'll see if i can dig out the cure on ubuntuforums.org
[01:46] <dresden> i never heard of SUNs zfs, why doenst ubuntu use it default?
[01:46] <LiberCogito> Lustblader: reformat to fat32 in windows, then try it in linux.
[01:46] <sauvin> larson9999, I think that might be something else, not the FS doing it. I won't SWEAR to that, but there are any number of utilities to run, defraggers and the ilk, that can do that.
[01:46] <perpetual> dresden, zfs is not available for linux due to licensing/patent issues.
[01:46] <dresden> can windows run on FAT32???????
[01:46] <neumind> howlingmadhowie:  http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#FTP_Server
[01:46] <LiberCogito> dresden: only the devs can answer that.
[01:46] <LiberCogito> dresden: yes
[01:46] <dresden> wow that sucks about ZFS
[01:46] <Lustblader> LiberCogito: actually i don have windows now
[01:46] <dresden> can windows 2000 pro run on FAT32??????
[01:46] <faileas> dresden: as i said, yes, it can boot off, install and run on fat32
[01:46] <LiberCogito> Lustblader: google it.
[01:46] <dresden> nice
[01:46] <faileas> its not recoended tho
[01:46] <ZeroA4> dresden, it can
[01:47] <LiberCogito> dresden: yes
[01:47] <sauvin> dresden, yes, but you lose a lot of functionality in doing that.
[01:47] <dresden> sauvin what kind of functionality
[01:47] <faileas> ACLs, some speed, some efficiency
[01:47] <dresden> what are ACLs
[01:47] <perpetual> dresden, I use reiserfs with little to no problems. I once had a user who'd created 500,000 little files in one directory by accident.
[01:47] <sean> not to mention journaling
[01:47] <ZeroA4> dresden, i think even Vista can run on FAT32... but FAT32 has no suport for per user permissions
[01:47] <sauvin> Windows running on NTFS *does* have rudimentary security and permissions and suchlike that are simply not available on FAT.
[01:47] <Lustblader> LiberCogito: i chucked windows
[01:47] <dresden> wow perpetual...thats simpy...perpertual!!
[01:47] <sauvin> perpetual, that's actually said to be one of reiser's strengths: handling gazillions of small files.
[01:48] <dresden> sauvin and zeroA4, do these permissions help me at all????/ like, without NTFS will i not have password protection and such?????
[01:48] <LiberCogito> *is having tech support flashbacks*
[01:48] <neumind> howlingmadhowie:  i dont fint it
[01:48] <sean> lmao @ LiberCogito
[01:48] <neumind> howlingmadhowie:  i dont find it
[01:48] <faileas> dresden: yes
[01:48] <sauvin> You'll have password protection but you won't have the ability to keep Joe Sixpack out of your directories.
[01:48] <dresden> hahai  will never ever try to work for tech support or any support
[01:48] <perpetual> dresden, this was on ext3, and it took hours to clean up. Then I moved to reiserfs, created 64 million files, and deleted them in 10 seconds.
[01:48] <LiberCogito> *buzzword malformed irrelevent comment, buzzword*
[01:48] <dresden> holy shit
[01:48] <dresden> wow holy shit
[01:48] <howlingmadhowie> dresden: it's not just patent/license restrictions. zfs is also way more than just a file system. you'd have to change a lot of things to implement it.
[01:49] <perpetual> dresden, it all depends on what you are going to do with your system.
[01:49] <dresden> ouch
[01:49] <ZeroA4> dresden, them no... but if you share your computer and does not want other users to find you porn.. you will need NTFS...
[01:49] <sean> dresden, language, plz
[01:49] <PriceChild> dresden, lets watch the language please
[01:49] <dresden> i cnat believe you created 64 million files, i didnt know a HDD could handle that
[01:49] <sauvin> I think Joe Sixpack will do very nicely with the widely used and accepted exte3.
[01:49] <sauvin> ext3, that is.
[01:49] <neumind> howlingmadhowie:  i find only xinetd
[01:49] <dresden> sorry is this a PG room my bad
[01:49] <dresden> G-rated what ever MY BAD
[01:49] <faileas> ZeroA4: no, you want it encrypted. ;)
[01:49] <sean> it's family friendly =]
[01:49] <dresden> MY BAD
[01:49] <cjae_> here about the new malware for OOO
[01:50] <ZeroA4> faileas, and that too ;)
[01:50] <dresden> i will say a 2 thousand nice things in this room to compensate for my 2 words
[01:50] <howlingmadhowie> neumind: where do you find xinetd? in the synaptic package manager?
[01:50] <dresden> infact before i leave you all will think im a big fairy
[01:50] <dresden> hahah just kidding
[01:50] <sauvin> You can take your family friendly [BEEP]  and shove it up your [HONK]  and [TWEET]  it @#%%@#@TQ#%Q@#@#Y NO CARRIER
[01:50] <dresden> hahaha
[01:50] <dresden> tweet never heard that
[01:50] <dresden> "Science: an attempt to understand the world using unnecessarily long words." nice
[01:51] <Kasle> i've installed bcm43xx-fwcutter... but every time i try to install anything with apt-get, a error message occupears: error with treating bcm43xx-fwcutter error code (1) can anyone please help?
[01:51] <neumind> howlingmadhowie:  yes
[01:51] <faileas> lovely
[01:51] <faileas> i hosed another wubi install
[01:51] <Chousuke> sauvin: NTFS's security is actually a bit more than "rudimentary"... it has ACLs. :/
[01:51] <faileas> how many times before i learn to BACK UP ><
[01:51] <larson9999> sauvin, err, i was just poking fun at windows.  but the problem was that sometimes windows got confused and even though the file was there and intact, it couldn't see it.  it was probably a bug that has since been resolved.  i think the real point is just dump windows unless you HAVE to have it for work.  then buy some pro stuff and be done with it.  why use a non free file system anyway?
[01:51] <cjae_> !wubi
[01:51] <ubotu> wubi is an unofficial Ubuntu installer for Windows users - more info is at http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html
[01:51] <dresden> i already forgot what ACLs means......
[01:51] <dresden> whats it mean again?
[01:51] <Chousuke> access control lists
[01:52] <dresden> ohh security right
[01:52] <Chousuke> they confuse the heck out of me, really
[01:52] <bullgard4> Can phpMyAdmin display the content of a data field of 'memo' type similar to the Microsoft Access or OO.o Base forms?
[01:52] <Chousuke> more powerful than traditional unix permissions, but much more complex.
[01:52] <dresden> i got a question, do video games (very advanced games like Total War and such) require NTFS??????/
[01:52] <sauvin> larson9999, for many applications, I agree BUT you have to bear in mind that some people really are locked into a Windows reality.
[01:52] <perpetual> dresden, why not? On a 100GB hdd you could make about 20*10^9 files with reiserfs, I think, if you make them empty and with filenames no bigger than 5 bytes (which would be enough bytes to make that many different filenames with).
[01:52] <dresden> wow holy crap
[01:52] <faileas> dresden: depends on if it has any file thats bigger than 4 gb ;)
[01:53] <dresden> good point
[01:53] <howlingmadhowie> neumind: try searching for openbsd. it should be there
[01:53] <ZeroA4> DreamThief, no. I have Rome Total War installed on a FAT drive
[01:53] <LiberCogito> perpetual: that's nice and all... but erm,  why?
[01:53] <dresden> i guess i wont install windows on FAT32 because of the 4GB problem
[01:53] <dresden> why the heck does FAT32 have a 4GB file limit?
[01:53] <sauvin> File pointer field size.
[01:53] <gordonjcp> dresden: the clue is in the title
[01:53] <giggsey> How do I upgrade feisty to gutsy?
[01:53] <sean> dresden, because 4g was huge back when fat32 came out
[01:53] <Chousuke> FAT32 was originally designed for floppies. or fat16 was
[01:53] <ZeroA4> dresden, cos is was created in 1979
[01:53] <dresden> i dont get the clue
[01:53] <gordonjcp> dresden: FAT *32*
[01:53] <dresden> hahah wow 1979
[01:53] <gordonjcp> 32 what?
[01:53] <dresden> 32 is the processor right
[01:54] <cjae_> dresden,  not to mention there is no security in fat32
[01:54] <gordonjcp> no
[01:54] <perpetual> LiberCogito, eh. well. someone asked about filesystems I suppose.
[01:54] <spectre__> perpetual: thanks I'll try another way tonight bye bye and thanks to all
[01:54] <dresden> i dont understand how there is any limit
[01:54] <faileas> Chousuke: floppies were fat12
[01:54] <faileas> no
[01:54] <gordonjcp> 32 bits
[01:54] <Chousuke> faileas: ah, right.
[01:54] <sean> fat...12?
[01:54] <Chousuke> even worse ^^;
[01:54] <stuart_> is it just me, or does upgrading the kernel screw up more than just nvidia?
[01:54] <neumind> howlingmadhowie:  i find openbds-inetd
[01:54] <dresden> oh i thought fat32 was designed for 32-bit processors hehehe
[01:54] <gordonjcp> dresden: right, you need a pointer to describe where on the disk you are
[01:54] <howlingmadhowie> dresden: try reading the wikipedia article on how filesystems work
[01:54] <stuart_> at elast for ubuntu
[01:54] <howlingmadhowie> neumind: then you can install it too :)
[01:54] <sauvin> Actually, there was a FAT... and then there was a FAT12. THEN, when MS got serious about supporting something bigger than a rubber band with a magnet glued to it, they trotted out a FAT16.
[01:54] <gordonjcp> dresden: nope; you can use FAT32 on anything really
[01:54] <dresden> ok i will read about it howlingmadhowie
[01:54] <neumind> howlingmadhowie:  install it?
[01:54] <larson9999> sauvin, true, when they come to me, i try to get them out of that mentality.
[01:54] <dresden> LOL sauvi
[01:54] <gordonjcp> dresden: the pointers are 32 bits long, and 2^32 is 4 billion
[01:54] <dresden> wow
[01:55] <howlingmadhowie> dresden: or if you really want to learn something about computers, i'd recommend tannenbaum "modern operating systems" as a general overview
[01:55] <dresden> makes sense
[01:55] <dresden> ok is that an online thin
[01:55] <faileas> fat32 is the swiss army knife of FS. works ok for a lot of things, works great as none ;)
[01:55] <gordonjcp> dresden: essentially once you hit the 4G mark you run out of numbers to describe where things are
[01:55] <neumind> howlingmadhowie:  install it?
[01:55] <giggsey> Can I just update my sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade to gutsy?
[01:55] <faileas> no, its a book