[08:34] <jenda> Mike_F: yo
[11:39] <jenda> Get your shovels out and digg: http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Posters_for_your_wall_or_office_door
[11:55] <juliux> jenda, lol
[11:55] <juliux> morning btw
[11:55] <jenda> :)
[11:55] <jenda> morning
[11:55] <jenda> This is interesting http://www.ubuntutribe.com/
[12:00] <juliux> cool
[12:01] <juliux> did you know who makes that?
[12:01] <jenda> no
[12:01] <jenda> Just randomly googled it.
[12:56] <adrian_> hi all is http://diy.devubuntu.com/ being remade or has it been hacked?
[01:05] <jenda> adrian_: remade :)
[01:06] <adrian_> Thanks Jenda, it did have me worried, and I did like the old style :)
[01:07] <n2diy> What is devubuntu about?
[01:08] <adrian_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite
[01:08] <adrian_> I think it is also along the lines with spreadubuntu
[01:09] <adrian_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu
[01:11] <Mike_F> jenda: hey, I left the chat thing on overnite
[01:12] <n2diy> adrian_: very interesting.
[01:16] <Mike_F> Is spreadubuntu going to be a domain name ?
[01:35] <adrian_> Mike_F I do no know if it is to be its own site but the domain currently routes to ubuntu.com
[01:45] <jenda> Mike_F: cool
[01:45] <jenda> Mike_F: it already is, but isn't going to be used for a long time, probably.
[01:45] <jenda> Unless we decide to morph diy back into SU
[01:45] <jenda> Mike_F: did you get the posters yet?
[01:45] <Mike_F> jenda: not yet
[01:46] <jenda> n2diy: if you have any questions about DIY... ;)
[01:46] <jenda> Mike_F: should be there any day now.
[01:46] <Mike_F> i would expect so, they don't deliver to my office on the weekend
[01:46] <jenda> n2diy: it's currently being reworked by Dan Buch, and I'm taking a short break (about a month) because of exams.
[01:46] <Mike_F> maybe Mon or Tues
[01:46] <jenda> ah
[01:46] <jenda> ok
[01:47] <Mike_F> I like the ideas that the marketing team have
[01:47] <jenda> :)
[01:47] <Mike_F> The only thing is that how do you make people who dont know what linux is to understand ubuntu
[01:48] <jenda> not an easy task, for sure.
[01:48] <Mike_F> yes, but an important thing to do
[01:49] <Mike_F> i have a site that tries to explain it
[01:49] <Mike_F> in plain text with our any graphics, hopefully not to the point where is "over sells"
[01:53] <n2diy> jenda: roger, I'll be keeping an eye on things here, and on the websites.
[01:54] <jenda>
[01:54] <adrian_> have you a link to your site Mike_F?
[01:54] <Mike_F> dolinuxnow.com
[01:54] <adrian_> thx
[01:55] <Mike_F> Oh course it also promotes my own business
[01:56] <jenda> Mike_F: ;)
[01:56] <Mike_F> Plain Old School HTML
[01:57] <adrian_> Thats cool enough@)
[01:57] <adrian_> :)
[01:57] <adrian_> I don't know how people eat with Linux :)
[01:57] <adrian_> can I calrify, dual core machines use the 64 bit disk?
[01:57] <adrian_> clarify
[01:59] <Mike_F> adrain: thanks I add that
[02:00] <adrian_> Kewl


[16:37] <mathomastech> Hey Everyone! NORLUG is hosting a Fedora 20 release party tonight along with it's weekly Coffee House Coders. You are all invited! http://www.norlug.org/meeting/2013/12/17/FedoraReleaseParty.html


[00:33] <StevenK> wallyworld__: *DB-*
[00:33] <StevenK> You said stable, which is not right
[00:33] <wallyworld__> shit
[00:34] <StevenK> We can't fix it without reverting, so it's not worth it
[00:34] <wallyworld__> it merged the right file though
[00:35] <StevenK> Oh sure, it's just the commit message that's the problem
[00:36] <wallyworld__> hopefully no one else will notice
[00:36] <StevenK> wgrant will. Especially if I tell him first.
[00:42] <wgrant> Heh
[00:45] <StevenK> steven@undermined:~/launchpad/lp-branches% ls -1 | wc -l
[00:45] <StevenK> 356
[00:45] <StevenK> Hmmmm
[00:45] <wgrant> I think you may have a problem.
[00:46] <StevenK> /dev/mapper/sys-home  150G  105G   38G  74% /home
[00:46] <StevenK> Not yet :-P
[01:25] <wallyworld__> StevenK: ian@wallyworld:~/projects/lp-branches$  ls -1 | wc -l
[01:25] <wallyworld__> 575
[01:27] <StevenK> Haha
[01:28] <wallyworld__> mine is bigger than yours :-P
[02:43] <wallyworld__> StevenK: do you know where can look to see the preferred way to capture log messages or otherwise inspect what is logged during a job run so that i can write a test assertion?
[02:44] <StevenK> Why are you asserting on log output, anyway?
[02:44] <wallyworld__> the required job behaviour is to do a no-op and log a message
[02:44] <wallyworld__> and i want to check tthat that occurs
[02:46] <StevenK> wallyworld__: You probably want to create a logger with a Handler that backs onto StringIO
[02:46] <StevenK> And then pass that in
[02:46] <wallyworld__> yeah, i was hoping for an example to save me writing it :-)
[02:47] <StevenK> BufferLogger from lp.services.log.logger
[02:47] <lifeless> wallyworld__: StevenK: or the one in fixtures
[02:47] <lifeless> you don't need to write it at all
[02:47] <wallyworld__> thanks, will look
[02:47] <lifeless> and the one in fixtures knows how to install itself and restore state afterwards
[02:48] <wallyworld__> lifeless: so, BranchScan job does a "from lp.services.scripts import log" in it's run method. i guess i need to change that too?
[02:48] <lifeless> shouldn't, no.
[02:48] <wallyworld__> right, i'll read the code
[02:49] <wallyworld__> thanks
[03:16] <wallyworld__> StevenK: can haz quickie? https://code.launchpad.net/~wallyworld/launchpad/branchscan-deleted-branch-602323/+merge/133175
[03:18] <StevenK> wallyworld__: Your test doesn't actually test anything
[03:18] <StevenK> Oh
[03:18] <StevenK> It's in the with, sneaky
[03:18] <wallyworld__> yeah
[03:18] <wallyworld__> i didn't even now that context manager existed
[03:18] <wallyworld__> know
[03:19] <StevenK> expected_message = 'Skipping branch %s because it has been deleted.' % (
[03:19] <StevenK>     db_branch.unique_name,)
[03:19] <lifeless> wallyworld__: you can use 'with foo as bar:'
[03:19] <StevenK> Might work in terms of line length, too
[03:19] <lifeless> so with try_advisory_lock(...) as lock:
[03:20] <wallyworld__> can do
[03:20] <wallyworld__> it will only have 1 or 2 loc, and i was copying an existing test
[03:20] <StevenK> Refactor the other tests?
[03:20] <StevenK> As a thought
[03:21] <wallyworld__> for what purpose? they read fine as written
[03:21] <StevenK> Save a few LoC?
[03:21] <wallyworld__> a few? for what benefit?
[03:21] <wallyworld__> if it were many, then sure
[03:22] <wallyworld__> there's no readability issue or anything concrete that will benefit from changing thing here i don't think
[03:25] <StevenK> wallyworld__: That's one difference between you and me -- I will refactor to save a few LoC, and you will not.
[03:25] <wallyworld__> i will if there's a decent gain. but otherwise it make the mp diff harder to read and achieves very little benefit
[03:26] <StevenK> wallyworld__: I don't think lines 62 and on don't need to be in the outer with
[03:27] <wallyworld__> yes, good pickup
[03:27] <wallyworld__> i saved 1 loc in the job method \o/
[03:27] <wallyworld__> lp is now fixed
[03:27] <StevenK> wallyworld__: This means you can probably reflow expected_message
[03:28] <wallyworld__> sorry, too sarcastic
[03:28] <StevenK> wallyworld__: Your review is now 'Needs Attitude Fixing'
[03:28] <StevenK> :-P
[03:28] <wallyworld__> hah
[03:29] <wallyworld__> at least i leave no ambiguity as to my philosophy
[03:30] <wallyworld__> sadly expected_message still neews 2 lines
[03:30] <lifeless> shoot on sight ?
[03:32] <StevenK> wallyworld__: Better than 3
[03:32] <wallyworld__> it was only 2
[03:32] <StevenK> No, it was three
[03:32] <StevenK> 62	+ expected_message = (
[03:32] <StevenK> 63	+ 'Skipping branch %s because it has been deleted.'
[03:32] <wallyworld__> lifeless: shoot what?
[03:32] <StevenK> 64	+ % db_branch.unique_name)
[03:32] <wallyworld__> ah, sorry, still 2
[03:32] <wallyworld__> 3
[03:32] <wallyworld__> *3*
[03:32] <StevenK> wallyworld__: Shoot the messenger
[03:33] <wallyworld__> StevenK: https://pastebin.canonical.com/77799/
[03:34] <wallyworld__> i changed the existing "lock = foo..." to "with foo():" to save 1 line
[03:34] <lifeless> wallyworld__: your philosophy, is it 'shoot on sight' ?
[03:35] <StevenK> wallyworld__: Yes, I got that :-)
[03:35] <wallyworld__> lifeless:  shoot the messenger?
[03:35] <lifeless> wallyworld__: forget it
[03:35] <wallyworld__> sorry, slow today
[03:35] <StevenK> wallyworld__: I guess the expectedLog really only needs to be around the job.run
[03:35] <StevenK> Today?
[03:36] <StevenK> What's your excuse the rest of the time?
[03:36] <wallyworld__> well, always
[03:36] <wallyworld__> i could move it down a few lines
[03:38] <wallyworld__> StevenK: i made that change and pushed
[03:40] <StevenK> Ah ha, I think I've worked out how to refactor this lot.
[03:43] <StevenK> wallyworld__: r=me
[03:44] <wallyworld__> StevenK: thanks.
[04:19] <StevenK> wallyworld__: You have broken buildbot.
[04:19] <wallyworld__> yeah - fixing. stupi celery
[04:20] <wallyworld__> apparently it is illegal to get the branch unique name in the job init when running with celery
[05:19] <StevenK> wallyworld__: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/local-codeimports-bad/+merge/133183
[05:20] <StevenK> wallyworld__: "[testfix][r=wallyworld][no-qa] Test fix for r16242 - rever" Huh?
[06:01] <wallyworld__> StevenK: looking now
[06:02] <StevenK> And here I was, about to reboot so I can play HL2.
[06:08] <wallyworld__> StevenK: r=me
[06:08] <wallyworld__> now you can play :-)
[06:08] <wallyworld__> my fingers sure messed up that commit message
[06:09] <StevenK> Haha
[06:10] <StevenK> wallyworld__: I can't, I have to pick up my wife soon :-)
[06:10] <wallyworld__> hmmm. HL2 or wife
[06:10] <wallyworld__> tough choice
[06:10] <StevenK> I didn't know you'd played HL2?
[06:11] <wallyworld__> i haven't but i am not ignorant of its existance
[08:58] <adeuring> good morning
[20:43] <wallyworld__> flacoste: hi, i'll be on leave to go to the cricket on friday, can we do it today?
[20:43] <flacoste> wallyworld__: are you available now?
[20:43] <flacoste> wallyworld__: or in the next 1h15?
[20:43] <flacoste> wallyworld__: it's my wife's birthday today, so coming back in the evening is not an option ;-)
[20:43] <wallyworld__> i have to take lachie to school in 10 minutes and have my standup in 1 hour. can i ping you after that? say in about 2hrs?
[20:44] <wallyworld__> ah ok
[20:44] <flacoste> wallyworld__: do you have any time between the school run and your stand-up?
[20:44] <wallyworld__> what about sat morning my time?
[20:44] <wallyworld__> i have 30 minutes
[20:45] <flacoste> wallyworld__: that should be plenty
[20:45] <wallyworld__> in about 45 minute's time
[20:45] <wallyworld__> ok
[20:45] <flacoste> wallyworld__: ping me when you're available
[20:45]  * wallyworld__ nods
[20:45] <flacoste> wallyworld__: that's better than sat morning, will the cricket game even be finished by then ? ;-)
[20:46]  * flacoste likes hockey 2 hours and your done
[20:46] <czajkowski> flacoste: yes but with hockey you get really serious injuries!
[20:47] <czajkowski> cricket they just get sun burnt!
[20:49] <flacoste> lol
[20:50] <czajkowski> flacoste: I went to one game when I was over in Canada 3 years ago, and the amount of nose bleeds was unbelievable , not even in rugby is it that messy
[20:50] <flacoste> czajkowski: yeah, hockey is a violent game
[20:50] <flacoste> especially in North America
[21:18] <rick_h> deryck: http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2011/07/20/timing-issues-when-animating-with-css3-transitions/ and the last comment got me going http://jsfiddle.net/jyjXN/7/
[21:18] <rick_h> deryck: just as an fyi spread the knowledge.
[21:18] <bigjools> hello folks
[21:18] <rick_h> howdy bigjools
[21:18] <rick_h> bigjools: so was that starts in the plane a sunroof glass kind of thing or was it projected/faked?
[21:19]  * rick_h goes completely off topic
[21:19] <bigjools> rick_h: LEDs in the ceiling
[21:19] <rick_h> ah, less impressed now :(
[21:19] <bigjools> picture didn't do it justice though
[21:19] <bigjools> very well done
[21:19] <bigjools> first plane I've been on with orange lighting too!
[21:21] <deryck> rick_h, interesting.  I guess setTimeout is unavoidable.  But I guess that makes sense when we're dynamically constructing nodes.
[21:21] <rick_h> deryck: that last comment about forcing a repaint by resetting display on the DOM node works
[21:21] <rick_h> so it's ugly, but not set timeout interval and should work peachy
[21:21] <czajkowski> bigjools: how long was the flight ?
[21:22] <rick_h> see in the jsfiddle: dom_node._node.style.display = document.defaultView.getComputedStyle(dom_node._node)['display'];
[21:22] <bigjools> czajkowski: "too"
[21:24] <deryck> rick_h, yeah, that's better than the setTimeout.
[21:31] <wallyworld__> flacoste: google+ hangouts is screwing me over - it keeps wanting to install the google talk plugin over and over even though the hangout initially starts ok
[21:32] <flacoste> wallyworld__: want to use skype?
[21:32] <wallyworld__> ok
[21:57] <sinzui> wallyworld__, StevenK, jcsackett, I will be 30 minutes late to our meeting. Feel free to post pone it.
[21:57] <wallyworld__> i have no problem starting 30 minutes late
[21:59] <jcsackett> fine by me.
[22:00] <StevenK> Okay, that's fine.


[01:15] <Wunderhacker> Hello, I have question what is the relation the ubuntu project and The Ubuntu GNOME project have?
[01:17] <Wunderhacker> Hello??
[01:17] <Wunderhacker> Hello, I have question what is the relation the ubuntu project and The Ubuntu GNOME project have?
[01:19] <Wunderhacker> is anyone there?
[02:44] <georgeowell> Hey
[02:45] <georgeowell> Ubuntu GNOME is an official flavour of Ubuntu
[03:18] <darkxst> georgeowell, yes
[03:18] <darkxst> but it is made by the community ;)
[03:18] <georgeowell> hehe
[03:18] <georgeowell> and all the better for it
[03:19] <georgeowell> I was going to go on... but the questioner left
[03:19] <darkxst> they do that, alot
[03:20] <darkxst> do they expect an instant answer from a bot!
[03:20] <georgeowell> GNOMEbot
[03:21] <georgeowell> I gtg myself
[03:21] <georgeowell> bye
[09:44] <zenseidk> hello all
[09:44] <zenseidk> is anyone here
[09:46] <zenseidk> I'm looking for some pointers on installing ubuntu gnome on a macbook air 6,2
[09:46] <zenseidk> as the only os
[10:17] <darkxst> zenseidk, it should be mostly the same as a normal install on a PC
[10:18] <darkxst> you may find a few quirks though that you will need to google for fixes (nothing major though)
[10:36] <zenseidk> I tried many times yesterday, but grub2 would not be installed and the instalation aborted
[10:36] <zenseidk> I booted from a USB stick, that might have been the cause
[10:36] <zenseidk> something about booting in bios mode
[10:37] <zenseidk> instead of EFI
[10:37] <zenseidk> mode
[10:41] <darkxst> our images support efi
[10:41] <darkxst> sorry can't help with any specifics though, I don't have any mac hardware myself
[10:42] <darkxst> maybe you can find a guide on google? anything written for Ubuntu should also work for UBuntu GNOME
[10:43] <zenseidk> I currently have 14.04 unstalled
[10:43] <zenseidk> i succeeded with that yesterday
[10:43] <zenseidk> but I want gnome
[10:44] <darkxst> there is no difference between the installers for the two
[10:44] <zenseidk> maybe I should wait until the next LTS edition
[10:44] <zenseidk> ok
[10:44] <zenseidk> I can boot from the usb stick fine
[10:44] <zenseidk> but the installation fails
[10:44] <darkxst> you could try 15.10
[10:44] <zenseidk> due to grub2
[10:44] <zenseidk> I did
[10:45] <zenseidk> 15.10 boots fine from stick. and boots in EFI mode, which I heard/saw/read was not the right way, even though it boots fine
[10:46] <zenseidk> booting from a dvd should work, which was how I got 14.04 installed
[10:46] <zenseidk> but that was with a +mac.iso
[10:46] <zenseidk> and the gnome edition does not have a +mac.iso version, does it?
[10:46] <darkxst> the +mac iso's are not needed anymore
[10:47] <zenseidk> ok, perfect
[10:47] <zenseidk> guess I should burn a dvd and try that then...
[10:48] <zenseidk> I just got everything set up nicely..... hmmm... maybe I'll wait for the next LTS. when is that coming?
[10:48] <zenseidk> in april, right?
[10:48] <darkxst> april, yes, but its already pretty useable
[10:49] <zenseidk> will software center get dumped?
[10:49] <darkxst> that is planned, hasnt happened just yet though
[10:55] <darkxst> I have to go now
[13:04] <lindol> hi all
[13:31] <lindol> Have we community site with blog?
[14:11] <Girish> Can I install Ubuntu Gnome 32 bit in a virtual machine in a 64 bit computer?
[14:13] <lindol> ummm.. Virtual machine is support dual mode ?
[14:14] <lindol> Even if you set 64-bit
[14:14] <mgedmin> Girish, yes
[14:14] <lindol> mgedmin, hi :) good evening
[14:14] <mgedmin> (it's the other way around that causes problems: can't use 64-bit VMs on a 32-bit host)
[14:14] <Girish> I'll be using Virtual Box.
[14:14] <Girish> Mega
[14:15] <Girish> mgedmin: Yeah I know that.
[14:16] <Girish> Thanks!
[15:59] <ana_> I can find tasks about doing a blog or something about me??
[16:00] <TheNumb> what?
[16:21] <ana_> I would like to claim an easy task because I`m new with all these
[16:38] <johnjohn101> is 3.18 in the daily yet?
[16:50] <TheNumb> johnjohn101: should be
[16:51] <johnjohn101> ok, i will download and see :)
[23:32] <baitillus2> good evening


[06:56] <guiverc> here to request irc cloak, if I get to choose color blue please :) - https://launchpad.net/~guiverc
[09:45] <Unit193> Howdy, guiverc and congrats!  It may take a bit as it doesn't seem there's any (other) staff available right this moment.
[09:45] <guiverc> Thanks Unit193  :)   & not a problem.
[22:05] <hggdh> Unit193: can you please add a cloack ubuntu/member/guiverc for guiverc
[22:05] <hggdh> *cloak
[22:06] <Unit193> Sure thing, done!
[22:07] <hggdh> Unit193: thank you. guiverc, congrats
[22:08] <guiverc> thanks hggdh :)


[00:10] <bryce> personally I'm still not sold on ppa, but I think the concept is probably good
[00:11] <pcjc2> It feels a more official place to push debs for testing than my own webspace
[00:12] <pcjc2> I had a brief scan of the 965 bugs to see if any matched this: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11895
[00:12] <ubotu> Freedesktop bug 11895 in Drivers/DRI/i915 "X crashed on i965" [Blocker,Verified: fixed]
[00:12] <pcjc2> need some log files
[00:13] <pcjc2> last I looked, our drm.ko didn't have the fix
[00:15]  * bryce nods
[00:16] <bryce> so far I've just been going through and reviewing all the "New" bugs, and either prioritizing them or requesting what other info is needed.  I want to drive New -> 0
[00:17] <bryce> after that I'll go through the xorg and debian bug tracker and look for clear matches
[00:17] <bryce> then it'll just be a matter of going through each bug and figuring out what's going wrong
[00:17] <tepsipakki> so simple :)
[00:18] <bryce> it'll be a breeze
[00:18] <bryce> well, we definitely saw with some of the bugs this last go round that getting more eyes + activity on bugs really seemed to help push them forward
[00:19] <bryce> so I'm hoping just poking at all the -intel bugs, we can stir more people to work on them.  Tasks always seem to go easier when more people are working on them
[00:29] <tepsipakki> gah, what am I doing up so late.. nite all :)
[00:29] <tepsipakki> ->
[00:29] <pcjc2> night
[00:29] <bryce> night tepsipakki
[00:51] <pcjc2> ok... seems I suffer from Compiz + rotation bugs too
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #151300 in xorg (main) "[Feisty] livecd safe graphics isn't (safe)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151300
[03:52] <pcjc2> Can't sleep, so debugging
[03:52] <pcjc2> Am I right in thinking gnome-compiz-preferences does not play nicely with Compiz in Gutsy?
[04:15] <pcjc2> Bryce: RE. XV on 965, isn't there an Ubuntu patch applied which fixes that?
[04:39] <ubotu> New bug: #155619 in xorg (main) "I cannot set my screen resolution above 640x480@50hz although my HW supports much better." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155619
[05:38] <tepsipakki> bryce: note that I crossposted that email :)
[05:38] <tepsipakki> to: debian-x cc: ubuntu-x
[05:43] <tepsipakki> alioth == alioth.debian.org, aka. git.debian.org
[05:44] <tepsipakki> bryce: also, I had a quick chat with gravity about FOSSCamp etc
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #155664 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "radeon 9200 Pro xorg server can't do 1600x1200 resolution in gutsy Gibbon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155664
[08:55] <ubotu> New bug: #155685 in xorg (main) "failsaveXServer fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155685
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #155698 in xorg (main) "gutsy does not autodetect graphic card and screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155698
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #155704 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "Can not play video, totem hangs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155704
[10:11] <ubotu> New bug: #155708 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "ATI Radeon 9250 hangs on boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155708
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #155735 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "gamma setting is lost after suspend/resume" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155735
[12:51] <ubotu> New bug: #106087 in scim "Gaim and Firefox can't get input from keyboard. (dup-of: 66104)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106087
[13:35] <pcjc3> I bounced LP bug #149639 to the linux-source-2.6.22 package as it appears to have kernel panics as the underlying cause. I'm not sure what (if anything) I should edit in the description
[13:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149639 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Xorg crashes very frequently" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149639
[13:37] <tepsipakki> most likely broken hardware
[13:37] <tepsipakki> testing an older release should tell
[13:40] <pcjc2_> Or it could be a driver bug?
[13:41] <pcjc2_> I'll ask them to test a Feisty LiveCD
[13:44] <pcjc2_> I added that they should check memtest86 and if it crashes, look out for overheating in the BIOS monitoring pages
[14:19] <ubotu> New bug: #155743 in xorg (main) "[Gutsy] Gnome doesn't detect monitor change from landscape to portrait mode, nor does it offer a way to rotate the video output" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155743
[14:45] <ubotu> New bug: #66689 in xorg (universe) "misuses debconf" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66689
[14:55] <ubotu> New bug: #155780 in language-support-zh (main) "[Gusty] Installation of Chinese language support borks the keyboard (dup-of: 66104)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155780
[16:23] <ubotu> New bug: #154859 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "xrandr (or X) can't drive 2nd screen at 1920x1200 anymore" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154859
[16:49] <rawler> quick question about ubotu; how exactly should I read the announcements?
[16:49] <rawler> when I follow many of the "new bug"-links, it's not actually a new bug?
[17:59] <bryce> rawler: in the brackets it indicates the state
[17:59] <bryce> if you see [Undecided,New] then it's _usually_ a new bug
[17:59] <bryce> otherwise, it's either been recently moved into x* from 'ubuntu' or other areas, or it's recently had a noteworthy change
[18:18] <ubotu> New bug: #151168 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (main) "memory leak with ring" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151168
[19:49] <ubotu> New bug: #155910 in xorg (main) "screen wont allow resolutions but the highest resolution" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155910
[20:29] <_jz> hello
[20:30] <_jz> anyone has an insight on that weird bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/compizsettings/+bug/108527 Gutsy + radeon + compiz -> repetitive xorg freezes
[20:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108527 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "X freezes when compiz is enabled on ATI cards" [High,Confirmed]
[20:30] <_jz> i had 7 today :(
[20:30] <_jz> ah :)
[20:30] <_jz> i am available if i can help diagnose anything
[20:30] <_jz> put any debug variable anywhere
[20:31] <tepsipakki> _jz: are you still running 7.04?
[20:31] <_jz> nope
[20:31] <_jz> it happens since i upgraded (yesterday) to 7.10
[20:32] <_jz> it was quite a messy upgrade.. had to manually remove some packages before it accepted to upgrade, but then it went OK and i had to redo the dualhead config, etc.
[20:32] <_jz> put my old xorg.conf file, maybe i should start tweaking there  ?
[20:32] <_jz> do you want to see it ?
[20:32] <tepsipakki> yes
[20:34] <_jz> http://pastebin.com/m7a089f6
[20:34] <_jz> had the problem using default 16 and default 24 depth
[20:35] <tepsipakki> uh
[20:35] <tepsipakki> why do people play with the options :)
[20:35] <_jz> this is what i had to do to make my dual head work with feisty
[20:35] <_jz> if you have some other config file to suggest i'd be glad
[20:36] <tepsipakki> yes, a clean one
[20:36] <_jz> maybe one could ask to people reporting that bug if they are using a vanilla Gutsy, or if they upgraded from feisty ?
[20:36] <tepsipakki> move it aside to see if it still crashes
[20:36] <_jz> how can i find one (that will work with my dual head) ?
[20:36] <tepsipakki> try without dualhead
[20:36] <_jz> i can't _live_ without dualhead :((
[20:36] <_jz> but if it's for the cause....
[20:36] <tepsipakki> besides, the driver in gutsy doesn't support mergedfb anymore
[20:36] <tepsipakki> see the releasenotes
[20:37] <_jz> ho yes i see this
[20:37] <_jz> so i used the xrandr on top of it
[20:37] <_jz> how can i get the plain vanilla gutsy config file ?
[20:37] <_jz> any dpkg-reconfigure something ?
[20:37] <tepsipakki> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[20:37] <tepsipakki> or just running dexconf should do
[20:38] <_jz> it put me a vesa card :(
[20:39] <_jz> i need to put a few things to make it able to use compiz, don't i ?
[20:39] <tepsipakki> no
[20:39] <tepsipakki> just change the driver
[20:39] <_jz> ok
[20:40] <_jz> just this and 1280x1024 and Virtual 2560 x 1024
[20:40] <_jz> (pleaaaase? ;)
[20:40] <tepsipakki> it should calculate the virtual
[20:40] <_jz> it didn't previously
[20:40] <_jz> because it's off my max texture size
[20:40] <_jz> which was fine with previous compiz
[20:40] <tepsipakki> ok
[20:40] <_jz> it just didn't draw a background
[20:40] <_jz> and had to launch it with SKIP_CHECKS=yes
[20:41] <_jz> ok. i'll be back with compiz in a moment and will keep you informed.
[20:51] <_jz> so
[20:51] <_jz> i'm back.
[20:52] <_jz> i put my keyboard layout to "fr", virtual, and the correct BusID (i think it got my integrated crap GPU instead of my ATI)
[20:52] <tepsipakki> you should disable the other one
[20:52] <tepsipakki> from bios
[20:52] <_jz> now the right monitor is 800x600, do I just have to wait for the crash ? Can I try xrander or something to get my dualhead working ?
[20:52] <tepsipakki> but it probably doesn't matter here
[20:52] <_jz> yes it's true but it's not the cause of the problem i think
[20:52] <tepsipakki> right
[20:53] <tepsipakki> most likely its a DRI bug in mesa for your hardware
[20:53] <tepsipakki> if everything is stable using !compiz
[20:53] <_jz> what horrifies me is that compiz is on by default now :(((
[20:53] <_jz> i _think_ it is
[20:54] <tepsipakki> some hardware is blacklisted
[20:54] <_jz> according to all the reporters... i was using it for one hour when i killed X to start again with compiz
[20:54] <_jz> mine isn't
[20:54] <tepsipakki> have you followed up on that bug?
[20:54] <_jz> it's a 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600]
[20:54] <_jz> nope. i'm not registered on launchpad
[20:54] <tepsipakki> it will get lost here..
[20:55] <_jz> i'll try with the bugmenot account ;)
[20:55] <tepsipakki> then you can just wait
[20:55] <_jz> but having my hardware blacklisted wouldn't be such a "solution" for me
[20:55] <tepsipakki> tough :)
[20:55] <_jz> because i can easily launch X without compiz
[20:56] <_jz> i'd rather have compiz working again (now i can't live without the exposé-like Scale plugin :/
[20:57] <tepsipakki> what I said, wait for hardy
[20:57] <tepsipakki> unless someone finds a fix for it
[20:57] <_jz> nono i'm a good citizen, i'll fill in my follow-up ;)
[20:57] <tepsipakki> which won't break anything else
[20:58] <tepsipakki> you could try other distros if you can reproduce it there
[21:00] <tepsipakki> now I need to watch some telly, sorry :) ->
[21:02] <_jz> OK it hang too with that vanilla config file :(
[21:02] <_jz> while ironically trying to configure my monitors
[21:03] <_jz> so it's useless to ask if it only does this with people who installed a brand new gutsy, or just with people who upgraded ?
[21:03] <_jz> i unfortunately don't have much time for testing other distros..
[21:03] <_jz> what is weird is that it worked like a breeze with feisty
[21:06] <ubotu> New bug: #155937 in xorg (main) "SHMConfig should be enabled by default, and gsynaptics should be installed by default on laptops" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155937
[21:07] <_jz> do you think it's useless / not a good idea for me to go back to my previous config file ?
[21:09] <bryce> hi guys
[21:20] <_jz> I'd love to be able to help diagnose this
[21:21] <_jz> does it come from the driver ? from xorg ? from mesa ? from compiz ?  how can i know ? :
[21:31] <bryce> one sec - reviewing backlog
[21:31] <tepsipakki> _jz: you could try disabling dri by putting 'Option "NoDRI"' for the driver
[21:31] <tepsipakki> hi bryce
[21:31] <bryce> heya tepsipakki
[21:32] <tepsipakki> "my name is earl" rocks :)
[21:36] <tepsipakki> bryce: apparently the new upstream hal has added support for input-hotplug (ie. includes the fdi-file for it)
[21:36] <bryce> cool, yeah I heard
[21:37] <bryce> what's the implication of that?  anything we need to do to tie into it?
[21:37] <tepsipakki> I'm not sure..
[21:38] <tepsipakki> did try it once, maybe all it needed was to remove the InputDevice sections from the conf
[21:45] <ubotu> New bug: #155954 in xorg (main) "Xorg ATI driver somewhat supports ATI Radeon IGP " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155954
[21:55] <bryce> _jz, there are some additional tips for troubleshooting X freezes and crashes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXorg
[21:55] <bryce> _jz, it sounds like the next step needing to be taken here is to get a backtrace with gdb
[21:56] <bryce> _jz, it's sort of technical to do that, but if you're wishing to assist in diagnosing the issue, that'd be extremely valuable here
[21:57] <_jz> the only problem is i don't have much time for now :/
[21:57] <_jz> maybe you could ask this in the bug report thread ?
[22:02] <bryce> done
[22:02] <bryce> _jz, anyway the issue comes from the driver, and if you wish to help diagnose it, the bug needs people to gdb it.
[22:14] <_jz> not sure it comes from the driver : some people reported about the same with fglrx
[22:14] <pcjc2> hi all.
[22:15] <pcjc2> Reporter for bug #50048 says it works in 7.10, should that be resolved as "Fix released" or "Invalid"?
[22:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 50048 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 "Unable to adjust refresh rate.." [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50048
[22:18] <bryce> _jz, it's not uncommon to see identical symptoms on different drivers, but these kinds of problems are generally due to driver code problems
[22:18] <_jz> ok
[22:18] <_jz> but how to explain that it worked on feisty ?
[22:18] <bryce> _jz, in any case, since fglrx is a binary proprietary driver, we wouldn't have any luck running it in gdb since we don't have access to the code anyway
[22:19] <_jz> sure
[22:19] <_jz> fglrx sux big times (like any proprietary driver)
[22:19] <bryce> on feisty we were using the 6.6.x driver
[22:19] <_jz> is there maybe a way i could go back to that driver, so we could see if it comes from here ?
[22:20] <bryce> 6.7.x includes a fairly significant rewrite of some areas, which made many bugs go away, but brought some new ones
[22:20] <bryce> maybe you could test a 6.6.x version of the driver to see if it still works.
[22:20] <_jz> how could I do this ? i guess that just forcing a dpkg -i of the feisty package wouldn't do it ?
[22:20] <_jz> or would it ?
[22:21] <bryce> possibly; I'd grab one from say Gutsy-tribe-1
[22:21] <bryce> or... hmm
[22:21] <bryce> tepsipakki: do you remember which tribe we put xserver 1.3 in?
[22:22] <_jz> no people reported the problems with early versions of gutsy i think
[22:22] <tepsipakki> bryce: before tribe-1, but its the same ABI anyway so the feisty version should work AIUI
[22:22] <bryce> ah ok
[22:23] <tepsipakki> note that the reporter had this problem with feisty
[22:23] <_jz> but i didn't !
[22:23] <_jz> there is a slight variation in the bug
[22:23] <_jz> mouse moving or not upon freeze
[22:23] <tepsipakki> then it's a different bug
[22:24] <bryce> ah, then sounds like there could be multiple bugs here
[22:24] <_jz> mine is not moving, unlike the first reporter
[22:24] <bryce> it's not uncommon for completely different bugs to have nigh-identical symptoms
[22:24] <_jz> but all other symptoms and conditions are completely identicals...
[22:24] <bryce> yeah, whether the mouse moves or not is a fairly significant difference for X problems
[22:25] <_jz> well... the not-moving-mouse version of the bug didn't happen here in feisty
[22:25] <bryce> also, whether or not the caps lock key toggles, whether or not you can switch to a tty, and whether or not you can ssh or ping the machine
[22:25] <_jz> i had a very few freezes, but then it was the whole machine freezing, with no ssh, nothing, so it was unrelated
[22:25] <_jz> no tty switch, i didn't test for the caps lock !
[22:27] <bryce> of course, on the other hand, sometimes the same root bug will cause very different symptoms on different hardware
[22:27] <bryce> like, screen corruption for one class of hardware, blank screen for another, etc.
[22:27] <bryce> anyway, I gotta go run and get a haircut.  bbiab
[22:27] <_jz> how can i rollback one xorg version ?
[22:28] <_jz> hehe a haircut is a too rare event for a developper for you to miss ;)
[22:28] <_jz> (crappy syntax, but you see my point ;)
[22:28] <bryce> can't be too shaggy for UDS ;-)
[22:28] <bryce> you can install older versions like this:
[22:28] <bryce>  apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=2:<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg-4ubuntu
[22:29] <bryce> or use dpkg -i
[22:29] <_jz> if you're not you'll get noticed ;))
[22:31] <pcjc2> My launchpad profile pic (short hair) is way out of date
[22:31] <pcjc2> its down to my shoulders now!
[22:31] <_jz> E: Version '2:<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg-4ubuntu' for 'xserver-xorg-core' was not found
[22:32] <_jz> do I have to enable a special repository for this to work ?
[22:32] <pcjc2> If there is an UDS in the UK some time, I'll have to visit
[22:32] <tepsipakki> _jz: gutsy only has one, so yes. or fetch the deb
[22:32] <tepsipakki> one such package
[22:33] <_jz> hmm... it may sound stupid, but i can't find it
[22:35] <tepsipakki> and I don't know what version you were supposed to test:)
[22:35] <_jz> one from feisty
[22:35] <_jz> the last one from feisty should do it
[22:36] <tepsipakki> you'll find it (1.2) from archive.ubuntu.com
[22:36] <tepsipakki> pool/main/x/..
[22:37] <_jz> OK thanx
[22:37] <tepsipakki> there could be some dependancy problems
[22:37] <tepsipakki> but I bet you'll notice
[22:38] <_jz> ouch :/
[22:38] <_jz>  xserver-xorg-core_<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg-12ubuntu8_i386.deb   is ok ?
[22:38] <tepsipakki> that's what you have
[22:38] <_jz> ha ok ...  xserver-xorg-core_1.2.0-3ubuntu8_i386.deb then ?
[22:39] <tepsipakki> likely
[22:39] <pcjc2> tepsipakki: How should I close #50048
[22:39] <_jz> wow no dependency problem ! amazing ! :)
[22:40] <tepsipakki> pcjc2: "fix released" i guess
[22:40] <tepsipakki> or if it can't be pinpointed "invalid"
[22:41] <tepsipakki> although, since there were others who had the same issue, "fixed" is more appropriate
[22:41] <_jz> I won't relaunch X right now, so i'll keep you informed tomorrow
[22:41] <_jz> thanx for helping me helping you ! (hey sounds like "ubuntu" to me ? ;)
[22:42] <tepsipakki> np
[23:15] <ubotu> New bug: #155985 in xorg (main) "[gutsy] performance regression with i915 xorg driver (glxgears in liveCD or after HD install) " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155985


[00:04] <AssociateX> One of the worst things about a new install is dialing in everything. Sheesh!
[00:04] <Thr0r> Do you have any info of this topic unit193?
[00:06] <Unit193> I'm not precisely sure why you pinged me on this.
[00:07] <Thr0r> You are Staff member here? not? I asked a question no one else replied to so I tried you - hoping you would know the issue?
[00:07] <Unit193> Oh, for the freenode IRC network, not Kubuntu.  Sorry.
[00:08] <Thr0r> well - Freenode / Kubuntu
[00:09] <Thr0r> just let me know if you are not able to help.. I'll move on
[00:11] <Unit193> I mean I can't, but that doesn't mean someone won't be active in time that can.
[00:12] <Thr0r> ok, thanks
 @Thr0r, Screen management with respect to widget placement has in improved on 20.04 where changing resolutions do not scatter the widgets near often as it used to  (using X).
[00:26] <Thr0r> Ok - To who and what server and channel would it be best to adress this dual screen management issue that does never seem to be resolved in Kubuntu? #KDE? is there a place outside freenode? ..you know unit193?
[00:27] <Unit193> In here or #kde would seem logical to me, sure.
[00:27] <Thr0r> ok thanks
[10:47] <alterjsive> how can i stop the display manager so I can install the patched nvidia drivers (kernel 5.6)? https://aur.archlinux.org/pkgbase/linux-nitrous/#comment-737274
[10:54] <alterjsive> sudo service sddm stop
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
 Hello BluesKaj
[11:34] <BluesKaj> Hi Franzpow
 @ahillio, Have you tried flameshot?
[15:44] <lsd> guys where/how to Enable mouse while typing to 1
[15:44] <lsd> i dont want to do it everytime throught xinput every restart
[15:44] <lsd> from KDE menu is there option
[15:44] <lsd> ?
 whever I boot into OS now the screen is zoomed in and I have to hit shift-alt-f12 to get back to normal screen. any time I change settings in compositer it also does the same zooming effect. I have also lost the ability to have opacity settting on terminal window set. I get error - "the background transparency setting will not be used because your destkop does not appear to support transparent windows"
 anybody have any ideas what would be causing this..
 @Barika, Which version of Kubuntu and do you have backports installed?
[17:19] <zimmedon> @Barika the zooming is likely a compositor effect, so I would check under Desktop Effects. Also that hotkey (Shift+Alt+F12) is used to toggle the compositor on/off. By turning off the compositor, I think you just lose the ability to have transparency without the old school fallback in the days before compiz and all that.
[17:20] <zimmedon> actually yeah, Zoom appears to be enabled by default with [Meta =] and [Meta -] as the hotkeys to control zoom.
[17:22] <zimmedon> so you could either disable zoom or try hitting [Meta -] a few times until it's back to normal. Meta key also being known as the super key (or Windows key).
 Older versions of plasma will crash and while the desktop still works the compositor will not run until plasma is restarted.  On older plasma, run killall plasmashell for a terminal.  Then run "plasmashell &"  to restart.
 New plasma versions  crash less often, but can be restarted with "plasmashell —replace &"
 Ok I turned off zoom. Wondering now how to get blur effect working.
 I will reboot see if this helps.
 removing zoom worked and fixed blur even
 When plasma partial crashes, sometime compositing is set to xrender (System settings -> Display and Monitor -> Compositor -> Rendering backend.  Manually restarting plasma and setting Rendering backend to OpenGL  (sometime restarting plasma again) will fix the issue.
[17:56] <sigNeon> any idea why k Driver Manager only shows drivers for my iwlwifi and nothing for my gpu?
[18:06] <karol> hello
[18:07] <karol> it is now
[18:13] <BluesKaj> sigNeon, which gpu do have ...intel is most likely loaded so it won't show iirc
[18:14] <sigNeon> BluesKaj: yeah it is the i915 driver
[18:15] <BluesKaj> dunno why it doesn't
[18:19] <BluesKaj> sigNeon,try, lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use' ..include the quotes
[18:19] <sigNeon> I used: sudo -E hw-probe -all -upload
[18:20] <sigNeon> linuxhw probe tool
[18:20] <sigNeon> works nicely :)
[18:20] <sigNeon> https://linux-hardware.org/
[18:22] <BluesKaj> dont have that utlity so command not found here
[18:22] <sigNeon> very handy actually
[18:22] <sigNeon> just found it
[18:22] <sigNeon> "hw-probe
[18:22] <sigNeon> "hw-probe"
[18:23] <vadi01> https://pasteboard.co/J3v5o5q.png
[18:24] <vadi01> states loading and nothing
[18:24] <vadi01> anyreason why?
[18:24] <sigNeon> vadi01: ?
[18:24] <vadi01> running kde-neon btw
[18:24] <sigNeon> bad connection maybe?
[18:24] <vadi01> just installed kde-neon and am getting issues loading wallpapers
[18:24] <sigNeon> close it and try again
[18:27] <BluesKaj> vadi01, have you asked in #kde-neon
[18:28] <BluesKaj> kubuntu and kde-neon aren't the same
[18:28] <sigNeon> ubuntu core LTS with a rolling KDE Desktop
[18:29] <sigNeon> I use it
[18:29] <vadi01> BluesKaj: yep posted it. silent people there
[18:29] <sigNeon> similar enough that most general stuff is the same other than if you don't use pkcon you have to use "dist-upgrade" in place of "upgrade"
[18:33] <vadi01> sigNeon: thnaks worked
[18:33] <sigNeon> :)
[19:53] <karol> its now
[19:54] <karol> helo vadi01
[19:55] <vadi01> ah much better. Had to remove neon and get to kubuntu. (not that neon was bad. just my preference)
[19:55] <vadi01> karol: hello
[19:55] <karol> hello
[19:56] <vadi01> at least irc channel here is awake :)
[19:58] <vadi01> guys am on plasmashell 5.16.5
[19:59] <vadi01> how to upgrade to latest plasma 5.18?
[20:13] <nc_> ls
[21:55] <xqs> hi guys,i am using kubuntu 20.04 and find that the kontact app ver. is still 19.04.3,,why not update it to 19.12.3? thanks.
[22:16] <mparillo> vadi01: https://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-18-1-for-kubuntu-19-10-available-in-backports-ppa/
[22:16] <mparillo> For even newer, https://kubuntu.org/news/testing-for-the-beta-help-needed/
 Is there a difference between shutting down my pc via "Shutdown now" or via kubuntu desktop?
[23:22] <mparillo> For a test, you can try to create a document (say in kate) and try both approaches. I know using the GUI shutdown it will tell you kate has an unsaved document in its buffer. I am not so sure about the terminal command. P.S. I usually do a systemctl poweroff instead, but generally only when the GUI is unresponsive.
 That's interesting.
 mparillo: does using the terminal way causes data loss?
[23:56] <Dragnslcr> You might lose unsaved data, but using the shutdown command will definitely write saved data to disk if necessary
[23:57] <Dragnslcr> So it isn't like just pulling out the power cable


[02:56] <Chamanlavy> Hi!
[12:26] <Turdlar> hi - what kernel will 20.04 release with?
[12:27] <Turdlar> is it 5.4.0-17.21 or above?
[12:46] <guiverc> Turdlar, 5.4  (my focal fossa is using 5.4.0-21 but it may change between now & release)
[12:53] <Turdlar> guiverc: thanks - can i update my current install (19.10) to the 20.04 beta, and then to the LTS when it arrives later this month? without losing data, that is
[12:56] <guiverc> Turdlar, yes, and once at focal fossa (beta) it'll auto-upgrade to 20.04 just prior to official release if you fully upgrade.. (I'm looking for a suitable link for you)
[12:58] <guiverc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7DmV7V2rts (alan pope video, but it's 18.04 -> 20.04; I thought it was 19.10 to ..) still lookinhg
[13:01] <guiverc> Turdlar, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes   (Upgrading from 18.04 or 19.10; you'll need the '-d' mentioned there as focal fossa is still development..
[13:06] <guiverc> naturally backup first (better safe than sorry), if you don't have another device, write the 20.04 daily to a thumb-drive (booted & verified as valid), as you can always re-install to fix (using something-else & ensure NO-FORMAT of existing partitions so it won't erase data, what I usually have planned as a quick fix..) but you shouldn't need it..
[13:53] <ThrowAwayNewToTh> hi.  i am new to ubuntu studio / ardour.  i have used garageband in the past.  i'm trying to find a good tutorial on how to make a drum beat in ardour
[14:27] <Eickmeyer> ThrowAwayNewToTh: Hydrogen is a good place to start.
[14:30] <ThrowAwayNewToTh> ok so i make a sample there in hydrogen, save as wav, import in ardour?
[14:31] <ThrowAwayNewToTh> i made one for 4 measures, bout to try that
[15:22] <Guest_18> hallo need some help with jack
[15:23] <Guest_18> fresh install off studio
[15:24] <Guest_18> when i open qjackctl and try to start jack  i get error message saying  service jackd not found
[15:29] <Eickmeyer> Guest_18: We don't support using qjackctl to start jack.
[15:29] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-controls | Guest_18
[15:30] <Guest_18> ok thx a lot for this info
[15:30] <Guest_18> some versions ago that i used studio the last time
[21:12] <craigbass76> I'm trying to get 30fps on a Microsoft LifeCam. It's capable, but 15 is as high as it will go. I'm reading about running lsmod to see if v4l1 is loaded, and it's not. It's insalled though. Is that my issue?
[21:15] <Eickmeyer> craigbass76: Not Ubuntu Studio-specific, try #ubuntu.
[21:15] <Eickmeyer> (I don't know, but you're more likely to get a response there)
[21:15] <craigbass76> Heh, are they going to tell me to come back in here when I tell them what I'm running?
[21:16] <Eickmeyer> No, if they do I'll flog them.
[21:16] <Eickmeyer> They're supposed to be supporting all flavors equally.
[21:16] <craigbass76> Careful -- social distancing!
[21:16] <Eickmeyer> hehe
[21:17] <craigbass76> This is actually about that. I've been giving a kid bass lessons, and can't now, so I'm trying to set these two cameras up (one on my, one on my hand) in OBS.
[21:17] <Eickmeyer> They're only supposed to send people here when it's a problem related to the advanced creativity apps.
[21:17] <Eickmeyer> Ah. OBS.
[21:18] <Eickmeyer> craigbass76: I'm trying to figure out where the best chat would be for OBS support. I've used it myself, but not with that cam.
[21:19] <Eickmeyer> craigbass76: You might need to get discord from the snap store (sudo snap install discord) and join their discord chat for help with OBS: https://obsproject.com/help
[21:53] <craigbass76> Eickmeyer, cheese doesn't work any better with it, so OBS isn't the issue, I'm guessing
[21:54] <Eickmeyer> craigbass76: In that case, if you're not getting any answers in #ubuntu, try askubuntu.com


[09:10] <MacSlow> greetings everybody
[09:11] <MacSlow> I've an odd problem with LP thinking there's a 0-line diff between trunk and a proposed branch, which is certainly wrong when one looks at the two
[09:12] <MacSlow> note: I accidentally merged the changes from the proposed branch to trunk first, but reverted them right after that.
[09:13] <MacSlow> if someone with good LP-insight could borrow me his/her pair of eyes -> https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/notify-osd/fix.810325-2/+merge/91997 that would be really appreciated!
[09:13] <wgrant> MacSlow: A merge proposal's diff is a preview of what would happen if you merged the proposed branch into the target.
[09:13] <wgrant> In the case of a reversion that will be a diff of 0 lines.
[09:13] <wgrant> You'll need to merge trunk into the proposed branch and revert the revert, or a merge will say there's nothing to do.
[09:14] <wgrant> You can try it yourself now -- merging proposed into trunk will do nothing.
[09:14] <wgrant> Because you can revert the *content* of the merge, but you can't revert the inclusion of those revisions into history.
[09:29] <MacSlow> wgrant, lifeless also came to the rescue... issue solved... although I don't get why
[09:29] <MacSlow> wgrant, thanks nevertheless
[12:07] <mrevell> hey davmor2, there are two ways we can do this: if it's urgent, we can do it now or otherwise you can just show me at the Light House tomorrow :)
[12:08] <davmor2> mrevell: the script I need to use is on my laptop which is where I need it currently so that is not a huge issue but I can't pull it to my main pc which is where I do the bulk of my testing if you could show me tomorrow that would be ideal thanks
[12:09] <mrevell> davmor2, I'll be very happy to. Also, I'm coming to the LUG tonight so maybe I could show you there :)
[12:09] <davmor2> yay! cool
[12:11] <davmor2> mrevell: I'm assuming it is me doing something wrong it's the first time I've had cause to use bzr to push to lp I normally only pull/branch code, so it would be good to know what I'm doing wrong :)
[12:11] <mrevell> davmor2, To be honest, this has to be something we can fix now. It's just that I'm solidly tied up in phone calls today.
[12:12] <mrevell> Can anyone help davmor2 with his bzr push query?
[12:12] <davmor2> mrevell: it's not urgent honestly tonight or tomorrow is fine :)
[12:12] <mrevell> ok :)
[12:53] <Wiz_KeeD> hello guys!!!
[12:53] <Wiz_KeeD> how is everyone?
[12:56] <Wiz_KeeD> if i want to have a personal project available to only a select few to report bugs and such, do i need to create a public project or is there some other way?
[13:00] <Wiz_KeeD> anyone?
[13:00] <Wiz_KeeD> no one is active here?
[13:02] <rick_h> Wiz_KeeD: we offer commercial subscriptions if you'd like to have a private project
[13:03] <rick_h> adeuring: relieved
[13:05] <adeuring> rick_h: thanks
[13:07] <Wiz_KeeD> how does that work rick_h ?
[13:09] <rick_h> Wiz_KeeD: check out the tour here: https://launchpad.net/+tour/join-launchpad#commercial
[13:10] <Wiz_KeeD> thanks a lot rick_h
[13:10] <Wiz_KeeD> !
[13:10] <rick_h> np Wiz_KeeD
[13:11] <Wiz_KeeD> i can also use bazaar in my project as a subversioning system right?
[13:12] <rick_h> Wiz_KeeD: yep, it's all bzr based. It's pretty much normal launchpad, but based on a team only access and things like ppas get some extra love
[13:13] <Wiz_KeeD> My goal is to put a subversioning system on my project and allow a few of my buddies to report bugs so i can keep clean track of things and not loose my code
[13:14] <rick_h> Wiz_KeeD: understand, is it an open source project?
[13:14] <Wiz_KeeD> i don't want it to be...at least not for now
[13:15] <rick_h> Wiz_KeeD: ok, then yea, you'd have to go the commercial route
[13:15] <Wiz_KeeD> + no one will be interested, it's very particular
[13:15] <Wiz_KeeD> what's the comercial route?
[13:16] <Wiz_KeeD> $$? :))
[13:16] <rick_h> paying for a commercial subscription
[13:16] <rick_h> yes
[13:16] <rick_h> launchpad projects have to be under an open source license
[13:17] <Wiz_KeeD> i didn't know that, well open source it is then, don't think anyone would care
[13:18] <rick_h> Wiz_KeeD: yea, really if there's not a specific reason to hide it I'd say just register the project under an open source license.
[13:18] <rick_h> odds are small you'll run into an issue, but who knows, there might be someone out there that can help as well
[13:20] <Wiz_KeeD> not that private anyway, but m3h
[13:20] <Wiz_KeeD> you're probably right
[13:20] <rick_h> Wiz_KeeD: trust in open source :) Admittingly I'm a fan of it.
[13:22] <Wiz_KeeD> launchpad is really cool, and i've barely efect thought about scratching the surface
[13:22] <Wiz_KeeD> haha
[13:23] <Wiz_KeeD> :D
[13:24] <rick_h> Wiz_KeeD: heh, I work on it and still find things I didn't know it did
[13:25] <Wiz_KeeD> cool :D
[13:43] <Wiz_KeeD> what about just using bazaar privately, is that possible rick_h ?
[13:44] <rick_h> Wiz_KeeD: definitely, you can always use bzr on your own
[13:49] <Wiz_KeeD> and where will the versions sit?
[13:49] <Wiz_KeeD> hope only i can get access to them :)
[13:50] <rick_h> Wiz_KeeD: so bzr is distributed. So you can create a bzr repo right on your local machine
[13:50] <rick_h> you can also setup a shared repository on another machine and pull/fetch via http and ssh if you setup http auth I believe
[13:51] <rick_h> Wiz_KeeD: this blog post might be helpful http://dentharg.wordpress.com/2007/02/14/bazaar-ng-private-repositories-on-shared-hosting/ along with the bzr docs
[13:53] <Wiz_KeeD> so launchpad doesn't provide a free, private repository
[13:53] <Wiz_KeeD> let me bookmark that
[13:53] <rick_h> Wiz_KeeD: no, if it's on luaunchpad and it's not a commercial subscription it's public
[13:53] <Wiz_KeeD> got it, even though i've kind of predicted that answer
[16:01] <deryck> rick_h, I've got irc now.
[16:01] <rick_h> deryck: ty much
[16:35] <om26er> this person https://launchpad.net/~salemjones69
[16:35] <om26er> he is doing some nasty things to my bug reports
[16:35] <om26er> *Unity bug reports
[16:35] <om26er> bug 858884
[16:35] <om26er> bug 857188
[16:36] <om26er> 817352
[16:36] <om26er> he just created this account to just F around, it was created today
[16:40] <om26er> and 849454
[16:41] <rick_h> om26er: looking
[16:42] <rick_h> om26er: suspended account
[16:42] <om26er> rick_h, thank you so much :)
[18:49] <tos9> If there are any staff members around, do you guys happen to allow claiming a username for an account that seems to be dormant / abandoned / never used by any chance :)?
[18:54] <czajkowski> tos9: have you tried to contact the person
[18:55] <czajkowski> happened with my nick a long time ago, I contacted them and no reply and was then able to get it
[18:56] <tos9> czajkowski: I haven't. I figured it's usually easier for someone to just check the access logs and see if that person has logged in in the past 3-4 years.
[18:56] <tos9> I could obviously if that'd be what's necessary
[18:56] <czajkowski> tos9: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion I suggest you do both and fill in the q&A
[18:57] <tos9> czajkowski: Will do. Thanks :)
[18:57] <czajkowski> they don't have to log into lp, they could be usuing that on the wiki or elsewhere
[18:57] <czajkowski> tos9: np
[19:24] <abentley> deryck: I relieve you.
[19:24] <bjf> I/we are seeing some recent breakage of scripts on Precise (scripts run fine on Oneiric). bug_task.date_created is returning 'unicode' objects instead of 'datetime' objects
[19:25] <bjf> lifeless: ^
[19:28] <lifeless> bjf: I don't believe we have updated the launchpadlib stack, so this is going to be something broken in precise.
[19:28] <lifeless> bjf: I'd start with ubuntu-bug launchpadlib
[19:28] <lifeless> bjf: bjf its not server side (or oneiric too would be bust)
[19:29] <bjf> lifeless: ack, will file bug
[19:30] <deryck> abentley, thanks!
[19:47] <bjf> lifeless: bug 929068
[20:27] <george_e> The timeline graph is broken.
[20:30] <lifeless> there is a fix about to be deployed
[20:31] <Corey> salt_0.9.6-2ubuntu1.dsc: Version older than that in the archive. 0.9.6-2ubuntu1 <= 0.9.6-lucid1
[20:31] <Corey> I've played with the version string for a while, and that error keeps getting kicked back from dput's upload to launchpad.
[20:36] <Corey> And it's worth mentioning that the tarball in question is generated by my script that builds the dsc.
[20:49] <cjohnston> I'm trying to figure out what exactly is a project driver? I see the Roles within a prject but it leaves me with a couple questions.. Looks like it would be similar to ~bug-control on ubuntu? do they get emails on bugs or anything like that, or do they have to sign up to get email.. is there anything else I'm missing?
[21:43] <AlanBell> hi, sudo apt-add-repository ppa:onboard/snapshot is returning an error to do with json from launchpad https://launchpad.net/~onboard/+archive/snapshots looks fine and other ppas install, reproduced on 11.10 and 12.04
[21:43] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/834505/ is the output
[21:49] <james_w> AlanBell, does "sudo apt-add-repository ppa:onboard/snapshots" work better?
[21:50] <EvilResistance> isnt it add-apt-repository?
[21:50] <AlanBell> james_w: problem exists between keyboard and chair
[21:50] <AlanBell> sorry :(
[21:50] <james_w> yes
[21:50] <james_w> AlanBell, no problem
[21:50] <james_w> it
[21:51] <james_w> 's a poor failure mode though, so that's worth a bug
[21:51] <AlanBell> I copied and pasted and missed a character
[21:51] <james_w> add-apt-repository rather than Launchpad
[21:51] <AlanBell> then copied and pasted my failed copy and paste and reproduced it /o\
[22:10] <ploppy> Hi there, I wrote a Windows sidebar gadget which is, in fact, a ZIP archive renamed to .gadget
[22:11] <ploppy> When I try to download a release of this file Firefox interprets it as text file ( http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/6657/unbenanntjda.png ) and Opera wants to save it as .zip ( http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/499395capture1328738652.png ) instead of .gadget
[22:11] <ploppy> is there anything I can do about it?
[22:12] <ploppy> downloading from the source brwoser works fine
[22:12] <ploppy> browser*
[22:12] <ploppy> (Loggerhead)
[22:13] <lifeless> the file type may have been misdetected, in which case there isn't (atm) anything you can do.
[22:13] <lifeless> we have a bug open
[22:15] <ploppy> ok
[22:15] <ploppy> thank you


[00:12] <EagleScreen> i have a dude about launchpad ppa, shall I ask here?
[00:13] <porthose> #launchpad
[00:43] <Laney> bah
[00:43] <Laney> james_w: should have dropped kaffe build-dep from cdbs
[00:44] <james_w> why's that?
[00:44] <Laney> it's in universe
[00:46] <james_w> oops
[00:49] <Laney> do you want a bug for it?
[00:54] <Laney> makes the ant test fail
[00:54] <Laney> I'll look at it tomorrow
[01:48] <bluefoxicy> so I have a suggestion!
[01:48] <bluefoxicy> Evolution takes eternity to start.
[01:48] <bluefoxicy> Imean literally 11 minutes.
[01:48] <bluefoxicy> I want to add stuff to my calendar.  Can we do something about this?  Access the calendar but NOT the e-mail?
[01:49] <lifeless> bluefoxicy: hi; thats really an upstream issue. There is at least one startup time bug filed in gnome bugzilla about this
[01:49] <lifeless> (I know, I filied it :P)
[01:50] <lifeless> I suggest filing another about controlling the view it starts with etc
[01:52] <bluefoxicy> nods
[01:57] <ccheney> HAHA, ia64 build is out of disk space
[01:57] <directhex> :o
[01:57] <ccheney> i looked to see why it failed to build OOo and it ran out of disk space just installing the build-deps
[01:58] <directhex> but how will i run OOo on my altix now?
[01:58] <ccheney> hmm well actually at the unpack stage of OOo but certainly long before any building occured
[01:58] <ccheney> directhex: buy a better buildd
[03:05] <dtchen> TheMuso: what are your thoughts on disabling flatvol in karmic? (i will ask on the ubuntu-devel list, too)
[03:06] <dtchen> TheMuso: seemingly a vocal minority is quite unhappy
[03:06] <dtchen> err, i meant ubuntu-devel-discuss
[03:10] <kklimonda> dtchen: is flatvol going to be revised by PA's developer? otherwise you would be just switching it off forever or facing same minority in the future
[03:11] <dtchen> kklimonda: it has already been vastly modified
[03:11] <dtchen> kklimonda: i'm currently working through the diffs; i'll be uploading a new ppa version in a few hours
[03:12] <dtchen> kklimonda: be aware that it's a vocal minority that seems to dislike it
[03:13] <kklimonda> I know, but that's the problem, isn't it?
[03:14] <kklimonda> the *vocal* that is :)
[03:14] <arand> are there any plans to get partimage onto amd64? There was a bug stopping it but afaik it's long fixed by now...
[03:15] <michaeld> hey
[03:15] <kklimonda> dtchen: fwiw I think that If you could backport those patches to Karmic flat volume should stay
[03:15] <michaeld> how can i join the team?
[03:15] <dtchen> kklimonda: they will be.
[03:17] <kklimonda> dtchen: after all lennart is taking beating for PA all the time, it's only natural we should take some of it on ourselves (I think that we shouldn follow upstream when possible)
[03:18] <dtchen> kklimonda: oh we definitely take a beating, but that's a story for another time and place.
[03:19] <kklimonda> :)
[03:22] <kklimonda> dtchen: are your audio fixes in -6.25 from archive?
[03:23] <dtchen> kklimonda: no
[03:23] <dtchen> kklimonda: i need to take a few hours to cherry-pick the minimal set
[03:26] <TheMuso> dtchen: What do we lose if we disable it?
[03:26] <kklimonda> I couldn't test it in the last few days anyway - had a tough week and couldn't find time to fix some weird problem with nvidia module..
[03:31] <dtchen> TheMuso: no regression from jaunty, since 0.9.15 doesn't have it; we probably will break with other distros shipping 0.9.16, however.
[03:32] <dtchen> TheMuso: i'm inclined to leave it enabled, since it's a straightforward conffile mod
[03:33] <TheMuso> dtchen: Ok sounds fair.
[07:58] <dholbach> good morning
[08:35] <\sh> moins
[08:36] <\sh> anyone up for some really nasty initramfs + network vlan not coming up + iscsi debugging? :) looks like that this is something which could be a showstopper
[08:37] <maswan> Nope, but I was thinking of doing another round of install on one of my new and shiny bl460c g6's and see what new karmic bugs fall out. ;)
[08:38] <\sh> usecase: network consists of bond mode 1 interface and on this one there is a vlan interface...setup some iscsi devices and add a line to /etc/fstab to mount the iscsi device...reboot e voila booting, waitiing for iscsi devices, fail, because network is not fully functional...I see the bondings, but not the vlans which is very strange
[08:39] <\sh> therefore, iscsi device won't be mounted, fsck.xfs throws an error and drops me into a shell only with / part mounted
[08:40] <\sh> maswan: hehe...the most prominent bugs are teh kernel messages at the very first lines of kernel booting, complaining about  non standard acpi crap of the vendor ;) (bl465c here)
[08:40] <maswan> \sh: I'm booting off bnx2x 10GE, which is showing to be interesting driver-wise. ;)
[08:41] <\sh> maswan: flex 10?
[08:41] <maswan> \sh: yeah
[08:41] <maswan> To add to the fun, this hardware is all new to me too. :)
[08:42] <\sh> maswan: rock on :) we didn't buy the flex 10 just because boss didn't want to provide money for a 10GE infrastructure :) so I'm still on 1GBit/s
[08:42] <\sh> maswan: which enclosure? bl7000c or the smaller brother 3000c?
[08:42] <maswan> \sh: 7000c, half-full with the neat nehalem blades with 10GE onboard and a couple of storage blades for databases
[08:44] <\sh> maswan: nice :) we have two 7000c (power supply full fledged + fans full fledged and full rows of bl465c (32GBit 2x 300GB 10k SAS drives)...ran a stress test on it...less heat and power then having a full fledged DL365G5 42U rack
[08:45] <\sh> maswan: and using fai to deploy them with jaunty less then 10 minutes and you have a full running infra
[08:46] <\sh> but for additional storage we are using 4 HP msa2012i but it fails because of the mentioned strange bug above
[08:47] <\sh> maswan: and btw...never buy a DL385G5P the new HW design is terrible compared to the DL375G5
[08:47] <maswan> For additional storage, this is distributed among 4 different countries and 8 sites, these are just central nodes for distributed grid storage stuff. The database is for the namespace etc, and conveniently should fit within 48G. :)
[08:48] <\sh> maswan: wow...a nice setup for the ne xtreemFS ;)
[08:48] <\sh> s/ne/new/
[08:48] <maswan> \sh: oh, is it similar or not to the dl380 with 16 2.5"-slots?
[08:49] <maswan> anyway, need to run off, and maybe we should continue this in a /query :)
[08:49] <\sh> maswan: the dl385g5p are originally meant to be 385G6, but because of the missing 380G6 (nehalem) they named it g5p and the hw layout is crap...now you need 4 hands to change cpus or mem
[08:50] <\sh> damn..meeting..then back to debugging this problem with initramfs + iscsi
[08:53] <frandieguez> Hi to all, I have a question regarding the creation of deb packages. I'm making a virtual package for 32 and 64 bits platforms, but for 64 bits doesn't exist one package. Does exist a standarized method for solve this issue at debian/control file?
[08:56] <directhex> frandieguez, better asked in #ubuntu-motu
[08:57] <directhex> frandieguez, is it a missing build-dep or a missing binary package?
[10:16] <maxb> asac: Hi - if you have a moment could you glance at bug 410624? Not to do it, but just to give advice on whether to work around it to not be caught by FeatureFreeze - thanks!
[10:18] <asac> maxb: i am doing MIRs today
[10:19] <maxb> excellent, I'll check back tomorrow then
[10:19] <maxb> thanks :-)
[14:11] <Laney> Could I trouble someone to unbreak cdbs? bug 415898
[14:51] <user436> hey guys if your bored try facebook zombies :D - http://apps.facebook.com/zombies/links.php?r=719927515&nref=st
[14:51] <ion> FloodServ or whatsitsname might be nice to have in Freenode as well.
[15:15] <james_w> Laney: I'm working on sponsoring your fix, I just wandered in to some more bugs as I was going
[15:33] <Laney> james_w: Oh, fun
[15:34] <Laney> never touching this again
[15:34] <james_w> not in cdbs, just LP
[15:34]  * Laney forgot to set the reviewer
[15:36] <Laney> is everyone on holiday this week or something? Very quiet...
[15:38] <liw> Laney, no, there's just a new CoC version that now applies: for every IRC comment or mailing list message you must first fix a bug
[15:39] <liw> (seriously: lots of people on vacation right now; August is the traditional month for holidays in most of Europe)
[15:40] <Laney> I guess it makes sense to have a "down" week so that people don't block so much on those who are away
[15:41] <blackxored>  how it's possible to make a sbuild chroot from a machine without network connection using something like apt-cacher-ng
[15:47] <tseliot> mvo: is python-apt going to be updated to a new upstream release before Karmic's release?
[15:49] <mvo> tseliot: I uploaded a new version today and another is will be uploaded before the weekend
[15:49] <tseliot> mvo: will the API break again?
[15:50] <mvo> tseliot: no - previous uploads should not have broken the api, is there a bug somewhere that I'm not aware of?
[15:50] <tseliot> mvo: I just wanted to be sure that I can fix bug 396301 for good
[15:52] <mvo> tseliot: oh, I see what you mean. this did indeed change, buts its a pretty internal change, why do you need to explicitely create a package object instead of obtaining it from the cache?
[15:53] <tseliot> mvo: I need to get pkg.installedVersion and pkg.candidateVersion
[15:53] <tseliot> and pkg.candidateDependencies, pkg.installedDependencies
[15:54] <tseliot> where "pkg" is apt.package.Package()
[15:55] <tseliot> is there a better way to do it?
[15:59] <mvo> tseliot: is there a bzr brnach of your code?
[16:00] <tseliot> mvo: lp:envy
[16:03] <mvo> tseliot: give me a minute, I check it out
[16:05] <tseliot> mvo: thanks
[16:12] <mvo> tseliot: please merge/test/review lp:~mvo/envy/mvo - I made it use the current (and most easy) api, the whole apt_pkg stuff should no longer be needed
[16:13] <mvo> tseliot: I'm not sure how to test it though, just running it from the checkout dir?
[16:14] <tseliot> mvo: I guess the if __name__ == '__main__' part should work
[16:14] <tseliot> mvo: thanks
[16:15] <mvo> tseliot: I tried that, no luck:
[16:15] <mvo>   File "packagemanager.py", line 381, in <module>
[16:15] <mvo>     a = PkgManager()
[16:15] <mvo> TypeError: __init__() takes exactly 3 arguments (1 given)
[16:16] <tseliot> ah right
[16:17] <tseliot> that's dealt with in abstraction.py
[16:19] <tseliot> mvo: try passing None as both arguments
[16:20] <tseliot> mvo: a = PkgManager(None, None)
[16:20] <mvo> tseliot: yeah, that does it, thanks. need to fix another problem in my change :)
[16:21] <tseliot> mvo: thanks again
[16:24] <mvo> tseliot: ok, should work now. it throws some deprecation warning, but if you want to be able to backport I would leave that in for now (if not, then they are easy to fix)
[16:25] <mathiaz> Riddell: Hi - I've almost finished transitioning main packages from libmysqlclient15-dev to libmysqlclient-dev
[16:26] <mathiaz> Riddell: the one that are left are: akonadi, koffice, qt-x11-free and qt4-x11
[16:26] <mathiaz> Riddell: would you mind doing those?
[16:26] <tseliot> mvo: ok, thanks. I think I'll just hide deprecation warnings (so as not to scare users) for now (because of my lack of time)
[16:26] <Riddell> mathiaz: I believe akonadi is in progress,  I can look at the others
[16:27] <mathiaz> Riddell: great - thanks
[16:27] <mathiaz> Riddell: have you also started to look into amarok?
[16:28] <Riddell> mathiaz: I thought that had been uploaded
[16:29] <mathiaz> Riddell: I haven't checked - just asking
[16:29] <Riddell> apachelogger was onto it
[16:34] <mathiaz> Riddell: amarok has been fixed
[16:55] <ccheney> ugh i just accidentally deleted my only copy of my email filters :(
[16:56] <ccheney> it was in a 'corrupted' backup of my email, and i somehow forgot i needed to manually extract the filters from the backup
[16:57]  * ccheney thinks he will use this as a good excuse to convert off of evolution and use procmail
[17:45] <Dark-Star> Hi! can anyone here tell me where I can find the xorg.conf file on (x)ubuntu 9.10? /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't exist. Also, where does xorg write it's log file(s)?
[17:46] <mdz> does anyone have a guess as to what could cause this:
[17:46] <mdz> linux-image-2.6.31-5-generic.preinst
[17:46] <mdz> er
[17:46] <mdz> Selecting previously deselected package linux-image-2.6.28-13-generic.
[17:46] <mdz> Unpacking linux-image-2.6.28-13-generic (from .../linux-image-2.6.28-13-generic_2.6.28-13.44_i386.deb) ...
[17:46] <mdz> Done.
[17:46] <mdz> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[17:46] <mdz> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.28-13-generic_2.6.28-13.44_i386.deb (--unpack):
[17:46] <mdz>  subprocess dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile returned error exit status 2
[17:46] <mdz> (with no other error messages)
[17:53] <chrisccoulson> mdz - i can't answer your question, but i just saw your e-mail on ubuntu-devel about cleaning up the kernel postinst script...
[17:53] <chrisccoulson> ...i agree! i've tried to debug kernel install issues in the past, but just ended up giving up
[17:53] <chrisccoulson> the current script is horrendous;)
[17:54] <chrisccoulson> Dark-Star - there is no xorg.conf on 9.10 AFAIK
[17:56] <Dark-Star> hmm so how does xorg figure out which driver to use? and, more importantly, how do I configure server options like xaa etc?
[17:56] <chrisccoulson> Dark-Star - the driver is chosen automatically
[17:57] <chrisccoulson> for configuring things like xaa, then i don't know
[18:10] <ebroder> Anyone from ubuntu-sru who could look at but #330766? This is a problem for my school's deployment, and we'd like to see it fixed before people start getting back to campus in a couple of weeks
[18:10] <ebroder> Err, bug #330766
[18:22] <nh2> tseliot: hi! I made two checkboxes for turning cornertapping on/off in Bug 386017 until your new configuration tool is available
[18:24] <tseliot> nh2: I appreciate your help but the design team should review your change first (for usability issues, etc.)
[18:24] <tseliot> nh2: maybe ask mpt
[18:25] <nh2> tseliot: ok, I'll do so
[18:25] <tseliot> thanks
[18:35] <Q-FUNK> who do I ping for bugs against language writing support packs?
[18:36] <Q-FUNK> the changelog in those seems to be automatically generated, just for the sake of having "something" as a log, rather than containing the name of an actual  developer who could be contacted. ;)
[19:33] <Riddell> james_w: where can I find info about the dailybuild setup?
[19:42] <ccheney> is there some new 'blur' effect used for notifications now?
[19:42] <ccheney> the notifications i have been seeing lately are barely readable, i almost thought it was my vision except everything else on my desktop is clear
[19:53] <soren> ccheney: Maybe you have a smudge on that part of the screen or the upper right corner of your classes? :p
[20:04] <ccheney> soren: well it was blurred on top of a gnome terminal that displays fine, so i doubt that is it, heh
[20:04] <ccheney> soren: i think it must be a new blurry vision feature ;-)
[20:05]  * ccheney will try to take a screenshot next time, if it isn't an intended feature
[20:15] <tedg> ccheney: There is a blur feature, but it should only be part of the fade.  So if your mouse is near by it should fade and blur.
[20:20] <slangasek> er, why does launchpad keep logging me out?
[20:21] <zyga> slangasek: do you have to login twice?
[20:22] <slangasek> zyga: no, I can't stay logged in, /at all/
[20:22] <zyga> strange, cookies?
[20:23] <slangasek> no.  apparently fixed with a shift-reload
[20:25] <Pici> There were a few other people reporting the same issue in #launchpad
[20:26] <freinhard> hi!
[20:28] <freinhard> tried to boot alpha4 on a laptop with intel graphics (855gm). black screen with default boot options, commandline in safe graphics mode and acpi disabled. anyone else?
[20:34] <ccheney> tedg: ah ok, i will see next time if that was the issue
[20:34] <ccheney> tedg: is the blur part new, i don't recall seeing it blur before
[20:35] <Pici> freinhard: This isn't really a support channel.  Have you asked in #ubuntu+1 ?
[20:36] <tedg> ccheney: I believe so.  I don't remember how much it blurred before.  I think it only blurred on the button presses.  Anyway, blur has been vastly improved in the new version none the less.
[20:36] <ccheney> tedg: ok
[20:43] <pgquiles> siretart: ping
[20:43] <siretart> pgquiles: yes?
[20:44] <pgquiles> siretart: let's talk about cdrtools :-)
[20:44] <siretart> ok. what about it?
[20:45] <pgquiles> siretart: you prepared packages of the official cdrtools back in the feisty days but no longer updated them. Did you just lose interest, or did jörg schilling complain ?
[20:45] <siretart> I did package them because schily asked me
[20:46] <pgquiles> siretart: what about the future? will you create packages for new versions of cdrtools? will they be included in ubuntu?
[20:46] <freinhard> 3~+
[20:46] <siretart> my intend was to get them included into ubuntu, but in the end, the it was ruled that they are not going to be accepted unless schily explained why he refuses to add a small additional clause to his licensing
[20:47] <pgquiles> siretart: what was that additional clause?
[20:48] <siretart> pgquiles: additional clause to his CDDL libraries like libschily to allow GPL programs like mkisofs and cdda2wav to be linked against it
[20:48] <siretart> this was proposed by the SFLC, but schily refused to even seriously comment on that
[20:48] <siretart> *shrug*
[20:49] <pgquiles> siretart: I see. I was thinking in taking over your cdrtools package (if it's OK with you) because cdrkit does not work with DVD+RW disks in my laptops' recorders
[20:50] <siretart> btw, it is currently under review in debian (again): http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/schilyutils_20090510-pre9-1.html - the git repository for the packaging can be found on git.debian.org
[20:50] <pgquiles> siretart: oh, nice
[20:50] <siretart> you might want to join that efford and use that as basis instead of my old package
[20:52] <pgquiles> siretart: I'll take a look, thanks!
[21:00] <james_w> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyBuilds
[21:06] <JonyBlaze> ubuntu uses cdrkit?
[21:06] <siretart> james_w: around?
[21:06] <pgquiles> JonyBlaze: every debian derivative uses cdrkit, AFAIK
[21:07] <james_w> hi siretart
[21:07] <pgquiles> actually, pretty much every linux distro uses cdrkit instead of cdrtools
[21:07] <siretart> hey there
[21:07] <siretart> james_w: I'm about to upload the new ffmpeg, you know, the rename as announced on ubuntu-devel
[21:07] <JonyBlaze> arnt there a lot of bugs in cdrkit?
[21:07] <nikolam> uhh, after trying to post a bug, I got this message (I logged in to launchpad previously and typed Very long bug description, I lost now):
[21:07] <siretart> james_w: I'm not sure what soyuz will make of it, I assume that the overrides of the package needs to be adjusted so that 'ffmpeg' ends up in 'main' and no longer in 'universe'
[21:07] <nikolam> Application error.  Unauthenticated user POSTing to page that requires authentication.
[21:08] <nikolam> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+filebug/or0Ee8xZYUdxQ0NsI3cNavixKYs#form-start
[21:08] <siretart> james_w: is there something I can do to help the archive admins with that move?
[21:09] <siretart> JonyBlaze: there are
[21:09] <james_w> siretart: send a mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with instructions of what should end up where would be a great help
[21:09] <james_w> thanks for the consideration :-)
[21:09] <siretart> hm. I could bounce my message from ubuntu-devel there :-)
[21:09] <james_w> if we don't listen then file a bug with the same information and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[21:09] <james_w> sure :-)
[21:10] <siretart> bounced
[21:11] <siretart> so, just upload and see what happens?
[21:11] <siretart> it's just that I'm not sure how I'll be avaiable the next days
[21:12] <ccheney> is there a way to see if a package is installable on an architecture?
[21:12]  * ccheney has a ftbfs due to uninstallable package on sparc
[21:13] <james_w> ccheney: chdist
[21:17] <JonyBlaze> ahh siretart built cdrtools for the ubuntu burning team ppa, sorry im slow
[22:36] <ccheney> anyone around that can process openoffice.org it has NEW stuff
[22:52] <Psi-Jack_> Okay. So, if I took the deb-src packages of linux-igd from 9.04, how would I compile that into a deb for 8.04 since linux-igd was completely skipped in hardy?
[22:59] <ccheney> Psi-Jack_: potentially just a recompile if it is really simple, or could involve a huge amount of work depending on the package
[23:00] <Psi-Jack_> Well, it doesn't look complicated. It's got the orig.tar.gz, diff.gz, and .dsc files.
[23:00] <ccheney> Psi-Jack_: looks like it might be easy from what it shows as build-depends
[23:00] <Psi-Jack_> All I need to know, really, is how to have it built.
[23:00] <ccheney> use debuild or something on your local box i suppose
[23:01] <Psi-Jack_> Or a webpage that explains how to do it from these three files. ;)
[23:01] <ccheney> maybe use pbuilder if you don't want to install all the build-depends on your system
[23:01] <ccheney> iirc with that you can just point it at the .dsc as well
[23:01] <Psi-Jack_> I don't mind if I have to really.
[23:02]  * ccheney bbl
[23:10] <Psi-Jack_> !find upnp.h
[23:11] <Psi-Jack_> Oi, so, it's not as easy as just building it. :/
[23:15] <directhex> Psi-Jack_, well, the build-deps are sorta needed, and will be pulled in by pbuilder amongst others
[23:17] <Psi-Jack_> yeah, I got all the build-deps, but the compile itself, fails.
[23:20] <Psi-Jack_> Well, blah.
[23:20] <Psi-Jack_> Guess I'll just hafta up my eBox up to 1.3, from 9.04 and try it out. heh
[23:38] <rickspencer3> jml: are you online? I have a question about writing tests
[23:38] <rickspencer3> I seem to recall you are passionate about this topic
[23:46] <james_w> kirkland: you don't use mass-sync.py?
[23:47] <kirkland> james_w: b/c it's been flimsy for me
[23:47] <james_w> rickspencer3: he is, but he is probably currently more passionate about his vacation :-)
[23:47] <james_w> really?
[23:47] <rickspencer3> lol
[23:47] <rickspencer3> fair enough
[23:48] <kirkland> james_w: time to time, yes


[16:51] <raevol> happy Friday!
[16:53]  * ianorlin has a haricut appointment today but it is raining