[00:05] <rabbitdew> Does anyone know of a light-weight utility that would listen on a TCP port, so I could continually check connectivity from another server? My first thought was netcat but I don't like how the daemon reads anything from stdin and can't get it to sotp
[00:37] <rbasak> rabbitdew: inetd has built-in "discard" and "echo" servers. Are they any use to you?
[00:38] <cncr04s> use the ping command?
[00:38] <rbasak> Also "daytime" and "time".
[00:39] <rbasak> And they're all "standard" TCP protocols :-)
[01:12] <rabbitdew> rbasak: Wow, I've never heard of those, thanks for giving my something to look at. cncr04s: I'm trying to look out for what I believe is a network problem but not long ago one of the servers were totally borked and ping still worked for some reason
[01:17] <cncr04s> idk, just ssh into the server, if it fails, well, it fails.
[02:36] <DammitJim> so, I am definitely doing something wrong when I install Ubuntu 16.04.1 server and I am defining the logical volumes (instead of just the root default)
[02:36] <DammitJim> is there a good document I can follow to do this?
[02:38] <Ben64> really depends on what you're wanting
[02:42] <DammitJim> well, I went through the process of creating the volume group and then the logical volumes, but after an apt-get upgrade and a reboot, the system wouldn't find the volume group
[03:19] <DammitJim> can any of you test this?
[04:39] <DammitJim> ok, weirdest thing
[04:39] <DammitJim> when I create a logical volume for var during a ubuntu 16 install
[04:40] <DammitJim> after a do an apt-get upgrade and reboot, the system hangs during the shutdown
[04:40] <DammitJim> if I don't explicitly create a var logical volume, it doesn't have that problem!
[04:40] <DammitJim> could this be related to unattended upgrades being shut down?
[04:41] <PryMar56>  /var/run symlinked to /run
[04:42] <PryMar56>  the pid files are not found and nothing shuts down
[04:42] <PryMar56> chances are /var/run is full of orphan PID's
[04:58] <DammitJim> ugh
[05:03] <PryMar56> ls -al /var/run   /var/run -> ../run
[05:04] <DammitJim> what's that?
[08:57] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:23] <nugget_> does anyone know the difference between "libnss-ldap" and "libnss-ldapd" and which is preferred?
[09:59] <nugget_> also i have read this:  https://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/NSS
[09:59] <nugget_> which does seem relevant
[10:00] <nugget_> but doesn't really explain the differences between the two in great detail
[13:47] <zul> coreycb: os-vif is in dep wait right now
[13:48] <coreycb> zul, ok
[14:55] <cpaelzer> stgraber: currently cleaning old bugs - wanted to ping on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc/+bug/1549524
[14:55] <cpaelzer> stgraber: likely close-by-out-of-date, but I'd want tyou to decide
[16:23] <DammitJim> are you guys aware of any ubuntu 16.04.1 server hanging on shutdown for defined logical volume for /var ?
[16:23] <DammitJim> it's the strangest thing and I don't know how to troubleshoot it
[16:24] <lordievader> DammitJim: Ah, I wanted to ask you what you did after creating the lv.
[16:24] <lordievader> Since just creating the lv should change nothing.
[16:25] <DammitJim> lordievader, I actually just finished upgrading a server from 14.04.5 to 16.04.1 and the same behavior shows
[16:25] <DammitJim> the 14.04.5 server has been running for over a year!
[16:26] <DammitJim> what do you think I should do to provide more information and pin point what the root cause is?
[16:26] <DammitJim> logs don't say anything (I wanna say logging seems to be already disabled at this stage of the shutdown) but maybbe I'm wrong
[16:26] <beisner> coreycb, python-oslo.privsep promoted to uca newton-updates re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1616240
[16:26] <lordievader> DammitJim: Please answer my question ;)
[16:27] <DammitJim> oh, what do you mean after I create the lv?
[16:27] <beisner> coreycb, and swift promoted to uca mitaka-proposed re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1642538
[16:27] <DammitJim> it let it finish creating the LVs and configure the hard drive
[16:27] <lordievader> DammitJim: Like I said, just creating a lv changes nothing.
[16:27] <DammitJim> mind you, I am doing this during install of Ubuntu 16
[16:27] <lordievader> DammitJim: Ah, I thought you had a running system already.
[16:27] <DammitJim> it finishes the installation and the server will reboot just fine many times
[16:28] <DammitJim> but then I do: apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:28] <DammitJim> and the thing will hang from that point on
[16:28] <lordievader> How is /var mounted then?
[16:28] <lordievader> What options?
[16:29] <DammitJim> lordievader, is that something I look up in fstab?
[16:30] <DammitJim> just like usr and home: /dev/mapper/template16--vg-usr /usr ext4 defaults 0 2
[16:52] <pmatulis> DammitJim, better to look at output to 'mount' command
[16:58] <DammitJim> where?
[17:10] <lordievader> Like pmatulis says, take the mount output.
[17:10] <pmatulis> DammitJim, command 'mount'
[17:10] <pmatulis> type 'mount' in a terminal
[19:01] <DammitJim> ok, running mount spits this out for var: /dev/mapper/template16--vg-var on /var type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered)
[19:21] <lordievader> Seems rather normal.
[20:09] <DammitJim> I know!
[20:09] <DammitJim> I wonder if there is something else that is accessing the volume or whenever in the shutdown sequence, it unmounts it and now something else is looking for that resource?
[20:09] <DammitJim> I saw something about unattended-updates running
[20:14] <lordievader> In what state is the apt process when it hangs?
[20:14] <Seveas> a sad state
[20:18] <DammitJim> lordievader, how do I find that out?
[20:20] <lordievader> top, ps, something else.
[20:20] <DammitJim> lordievader, this hang happens when shutting down
[20:21] <lordievader> Or is the entire box frozen?
[20:21] <DammitJim> you know, when you see your screen starting to print: STOP this, STOP that, SHUTDOWN this, that
[20:21] <DammitJim> it's not frozen
[20:21] <DammitJim> it just hangs for like 8 minutes
[20:21] <lordievader> You were talking about apt hanging earlier...
[20:22] <DammitJim> hhmmm... I might have, but I don't recall
[20:26] <pmatulis> DammitJim, to summarize, you created a logical volume, formatted, and mounted it. then when you shut down the system hangs?
[20:30] <DammitJim> pmatulis, I installed Ubuntu 16 (new VM). During the installation, I selected to use LVM, then deleted the root logical volume (since it was using up ALL the storage), and then created the logical volumes for root, home, usr, and var. Finished the install and the system would reboot no problem
[20:30] <DammitJim> Then I performed an apt-get upgrade and every time I shut down the system, it hangs for like 7/8 minutes
[20:31] <lordievader> On what service does it hang?
[20:33] <DammitJim> I don't know... it just says: Stopped LVM2 metadata daemon
[20:33] <pmatulis> DammitJim, did you add encryption anywhere?
[20:33] <DammitJim> so, whatever is after that (which is not getting printed)
[20:33] <DammitJim> no, no encryption
[20:34] <lordievader> Sounds a bit like something is in use and systemd is waiting for the process to die and release the resource. Ultimately giving up.
[20:35] <pmatulis> DammitJim, does 'sudo vgscan' complete quickly?
[20:35] <DammitJim> yes
[20:35] <DammitJim> I also shortened the timeout in
[20:36] <DammitJim> /etc/systemd/system.conf
[20:36] <pmatulis> DammitJim, after the problem was detected?
[20:37] <DammitJim> right
[20:37] <DammitJim> but it doesn't help
[20:37] <pmatulis> DammitJim, did you do *any* other futzing around? configuration changes? any at all?
[20:37] <DammitJim> no
[20:38] <DammitJim> clean install
[20:38] <DammitJim> you can try it
[20:38] <DammitJim> and like I said, the only difference I saw was that if I don't add the /var logical volume, it doesn't do this
[20:38] <pmatulis> DammitJim, provide output (pastebin) to 'df -h'
[20:39] <lordievader> Just speculating, would some process want to write to /var after lvm stopping (some log or something).
[20:41] <DammitJim> right!
[20:41] <DammitJim> but how do we get eyes into that situation?
[20:41] <pmatulis> DammitJim, still waiting for output. obviously you looked at your logs right?
[20:42] <DammitJim> yeah, but I can send thm
[20:42] <DammitJim> I don't see anything peculiar in there, but I'm not that smart
[20:43] <DammitJim> hold on... let me do df -h on a window I can copy from
[20:43] <pmatulis> DammitJim, also, does it pause at bootup?
[20:43] <DammitJim> there is a short pause on a line that talks about mounting /usr
[20:43] <DammitJim> what is the preferred pastie on this channel?
[20:44] <lordievader> !paste | DammitJim
[20:44] <pmatulis> nice one
[20:44] <DammitJim> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23788640/
[20:45] <DammitJim> and btw, the same behavior is there when I upgraded a 14.04.5 system with logical volumes for var,usr,root, and home
[20:48] <pmatulis> DammitJim, not that it matters but this layout reminds me of ~13 years ago working with slackware. slicing up storage like this was all the rage. it's not normally done anymore afaict. i wonder if testing is not catching a buglet because of that
[20:49] <DammitJim> could be
[20:49] <DammitJim> are you saying I shouldn't be using logical volumes?
[20:49] <pmatulis> LVM is fine. it's just the number of them
[20:50] <lordievader> DammitJim: Do you have a requirement for a separate /var?
[20:52] <DammitJim> I do
[20:52] <lordievader> Because?
[20:52] <DammitJim> there is variable data that goes on that partition
[20:52] <lordievader> Why cant that be shared on / ?
[20:53] <DammitJim> and we would hate for /var to get full and halt the system if it is on /
[20:53] <DammitJim> you know, one of the premises as to why we wanted separate partitions a Looooong time ago
[20:54] <lordievader> You could isolate the process/directory which fills quickly and put that on a separate volume.
[20:54] <lordievader> If that allows the server to reboot ;)
[21:16] <DammitJim> I know and I appreciate the feedback, but that's all a workaround
[21:16] <DammitJim> there is something fundamental here that I'd like to address
[21:17] <DammitJim> I have over a hundred servers that I would have to change for that var thing
[21:17] <DammitJim> when I upgrade from 14 to 16
[21:17] <DammitJim> it's one more thing to worry about
[21:18] <lordievader> True, more research to the cause is needed, I suppose.
[21:19] <nacc> DammitJim: if you want, i'd file a bug (perhaps against lvm for now) with very clear reproducible steps?
[22:32] <coreycb> jamespage, b2 is ready to promote when you get a chance.  we're at 9 tempest failures.
[22:33] <coreycb> jamespage, I'd like to hold off on promoting horizon though, as upstream b2 is not in good shape.  i just tried out a snapshot from today and it seems better so far. i may upload that tomorrow.


[06:56] <dholbach> good morning
[09:40] <iulian> Morning Daniel.
[09:41] <Laney> hey iulian
[09:49] <iulian> Hi there Laney.
[09:50] <Laney> how's life?
[09:50] <Laney> what are you up to these days?
[10:00] <iulian> Life's not too bad at the moment. I've just finished my exams and I'm now working on my MSc thesis.
[10:00] <iulian> How are things going over there?
[10:00] <Laney> Not bad, trying to move to a bigger place where I can have a cat. ;)
[10:01] <ogra_> ++
[10:01] <iulian> Heh. :)
[15:37] <Rhonda> Hmm, hitechnews.mobi does reproduce planet.ubuntu it seems (amongst others)


[00:31] <mup> PR snapcraft#1036 closed: parts: better error message when defining parts <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1036>
[00:31] <mup> PR snapcraft#1037 closed: schema: support the notify daemon type <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1037>
[00:35] <mup> Bug #1653512 opened: Transition away from ubuntu-core-launcher not smooth <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1653512>
[04:19] <mup> Bug #1639948 changed: exec: /usr/bin/ubuntu-core-launcher: not found <Snappy:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1639948>
[04:19] <mup> Bug #1640229 changed: error refreshing snap <Snappy:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1640229>
[17:55] <UniSuperBox> Hello everyone. Is there any way to get snapcraft to perform a source pull every time I run it? I want it to pick up changes that I've made to the source, but not redownload os.snap
[19:56] <mup> PR snapcraft#1039 opened: Check the older ubuntu-core snap name for core dynamic linker <Created by thomir> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1039>
[21:48] <thresh> so now I have version: daily in snapcraft.yaml for my package
[21:49] <thresh> I would rather like it to be something along the lines of 3.0.0 (current VLC development version)
[21:49] <thresh> questions are, would they upgrade nicely from daily to 3.0.0?  how do I do about upgrading 3.0.0 (current) to the 3.0.0 release?
[22:41] <mup> Bug #1647517 opened: Segmentation fault on core snap refresh from candidate channel <Snappy:New> <snapd (Ubuntu):Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1647517>


[06:28] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:19] <rh10> guys, how do you handle multiple ssh connections information? login/pass/keys/ just best practice.
[09:23] <dasjoe> What do you mean? Where to save secrets? In your password manager, passbolt/keepass or whatever suits you. Where to store host-specific SSH config? Where it belongs, ~/.ssh/config :)
[09:24] <rh10> dasjoe, know about .ssh/config :) yep. about pass manager mostly. or maybe just plain text files?
[09:24] <rh10> how about ssh keys?
[09:25] <dasjoe> I've got mine in ~/.ssh/ and in my password manager
[09:25] <dasjoe> It's passphrase is stored in the password manager, too
[09:25] <rh10> dasjoe, got it, thanks
[09:25] <dasjoe> Usually I'll just "ssh-import-id dasjoe" on a fresh machine so it pulls my key from launchpad
[09:26] <dasjoe> Another awesome little tool by kirkland
[09:27] <rh10> dasjoe, thanks
[09:48] <joelio> keychain + 1password wfm
[11:01] <kirkland> dasjoe:   :-D
[14:04] <drab> fwiw https://www.passwordstore.org/
[14:04] <drab> or keepassx, which works on mac, windows and linux
[14:04] <drab> latter is what I use/give to people who are too lazy to go through the git repo setup and still want freesoftware for their passwords :)
[14:05] <drab> and you can still story the kpx file in git as a blob, you just don't ge nice diffs and privs managed with git
[16:53] <markus_e92> Hi all, with my new hp server I have problems with the e-mail notification (trapemail is set in cma.conf) of hp-snmp-agent. has someone her experience with it? I use ubuntu 16.04
[21:36] <tafa2> can separate jails in fail2ban have their own findtime?
[21:36] <tafa2> or does it have to be global?


[05:10] <mac_v> kwwii: something is wrong with the "Mailman"... it is not sending all mails to the subscribers... I dont receive all the mails :(
[18:32] <claudiu> hi, someone can helpme with something: I've found this icon theme ( http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=105873&forumpage=1 ). But I like very much the GTK and metacity theme... theres someone who knows which GTK theme it is?
[18:38] <kwwii> claudiu: that is new wave, I think


[00:05] <cjwatson> marjo: can you show me 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' on this system?
[00:16] <stgraber> any reason the Edubuntu images aren't on the iso tracker ?
[00:18] <cjwatson> not built yet, awaiting ubiquity builds
[00:19] <stgraber> oh, ok, I didn't follow -release much today so didn't notice a mass rebuild because of ubiquity ;)
[00:19] <cjwatson> or pending a respin, if you want to look at it that way
[00:20] <cjwatson> plus figured you might want your new artwork in
[00:20] <stgraber> indeed ;) thanks
[00:29] <cjwatson> slangasek: could you take over?  builds to do and post: once ubiquity 2.3.12 is available (end of this publisher, except on armel), Ubuntu desktop and all DVDs; once ubiquity 2.3.12 [armel] and livecd-rootfs 1.150 are available, all armel images
[00:29] <cjwatson> slangasek: there's still a question over Kubuntu installation but we may have to resolve that tomorrow at this point
[00:30] <slangasek> cjwatson: ack
[00:30] <cjwatson> thanks
[01:00] <GrueMaster> slangasek: Can you clarify whether or not armel is getting a respin?  I see cjwatson's comment and it makes me wonder.
[01:00] <GrueMaster> oh, nevermind.
[01:00]  * GrueMaster eyes are getting fuzzy.
[01:59] <slangasek> GrueMaster: armel respins triggered; ETA: evening
[01:59] <GrueMaster> thanks.
[02:20] <ScottK> slangasek: I think Kubuntu live is worth respinning with 2.3.12 since the oom problem we are having has an unknown cause, I think it's useful to test with the current code.
[02:22] <slangasek> ScottK: ok; DVD builds are already in progress so it'll be a while before I can schedule those
[02:22] <slangasek> but I will do so once the queue clears
[02:24] <ScottK> slangasek: Thanks.  Just give me a ping when it's done please.  If I'm not still up I'll take a crack at it in my AM.
[04:11] <slangasek> ScottK: 2 of 3 DVD sets done now; kubuntu live not far out
[04:22] <ScottK> slangasek: Thanks.  Of course I'm just heading off to bed, so I'll pick it up in the morning.
[04:22] <slangasek> righto
[05:08] <ScottK> Kubuntu i386 and amd64 are up BTW (insomnia).
[05:21] <slangasek> yep, posted
[05:21] <ScottK> If nothing else the respin gave me a chance to verify Bug #608382 from lucid-proposed.
[05:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 608382 in usb-creator (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 3 other projects) "Maverick images burned to usb key on lucid fail to boot - different syslinux version (affects: 50) (dups: 6) (heat: 270)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/608382
[05:21] <slangasek> cjwatson: respun everything that I understood was outstanding
[05:51] <ScottK> slangasek: Could I have a Kubuntu live powerpc respin.  This one looks like it might be worth testing.
[05:52] <slangasek> ScottK: running
[05:52] <ScottK> Thanks.
[06:01] <GrueMaster> is kubuntu/ports/daily-preinstalled queued up?
[06:04] <ScottK> slangasek: ^^^ That could stand a respin too, if you didn't do it.
[06:05] <slangasek> why is there both a kubuntu and a kubuntu-mobile cron.ports_daily-preinstalled in the crontab :/
[06:06] <slangasek> spinning kubuntu
[06:07] <ScottK> We do want images of both, but the mobile one is still somewhat broken atm.
[06:07] <ScottK> Harrass NCommander for details.
[06:08] <GrueMaster> Or on general principle.  :P
[06:25] <ScottK> Sure.  Goes without saying.
[07:19] <ara> morning all!
[07:19] <ttx> ara: morning!
[07:55] <ara> cjwatson, morning
[07:55] <ara> cjwatson, any particular reason why ubuntu netbook i386 is not on the tracker?
[08:30] <cjwatson> ara: oh, because it needed respun for new ubiquity and I forgot to tell slangasek this
[08:31] <cjwatson> ara: I'll check and respin after breakfast
[08:31] <ara> cjwatson, ok, thanks
[08:31] <ara> cjwatson, enjoy breakfast
[09:51] <ara> with the current problems in ubiquity, can we expect a respin later today?
[09:52] <cjwatson> UNE posted
[09:52] <cjwatson> possibly
[10:04] <ogra> cjwatson, hmm, i wonder if we shouldnt make your livecd-rootfs change subarch independent so i can drop the hack from jasper
[10:04] <ogra> (post beta indeed)
[10:05] <cjwatson> up to you guys, I was just doing as I was told
[10:06] <ogra> yeah, i wasnt brave enough to make it a default for all armel images since i wasnt sure if we would get GL drivers in time
[10:59] <cjwatson> ev: I can accept this if you think it's useful, but I was hoping not to have to respin too many times and there are still several other things that look beta-critical outstanding
[10:59] <cjwatson> so, what respins do you actively want for this?
[10:59] <cjwatson> I assume not Kubuntu
[11:00] <ev> cjwatson: we can wait.  I just wanted to have that queued up in case fixing other bugs takes longer than we have left
[11:01] <cjwatson> ok
[12:02] <ScottK> Nice.  I was going to accept a Universe package, but LP logged me out and the login service is down.
[13:04] <cjwatson> ok, so wubi is sorted pending a rebuild; several important ubiquity bugs are fixed pending a rebuild, still a question mark over Kubuntu AFAIK
[13:06] <ScottK> My best guess is that one of the 2.3.10 -> 2.3.12 changes reduced the incidence rate of process spawning causing the Kubuntu OOM problem so that my 1GB install was able to succeed while Riddell's 512MB install still failed.
[13:07]  * ScottK was able to install with 2.3.10 after killing off all the non-essential processes he could find to free up memory.
[13:10] <cjwatson> wubi> of course bug 613288 is still theoretically hanging over us
[13:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 613288 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "wubi installation failed - boot configuration store could not be opened (affects: 3) (heat: 141)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613288
[13:10] <cjwatson> haven't heard of re-reports of that so far though
[13:22] <cjwatson> marjo: regarding your server installation bug, I think it may be a recurrence of bug 227869.  Your /proc/cpuinfo may help to confirm.  If not that, then I guess it must be a kernel bug of some kind
[13:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 227869 in base-installer (Ubuntu) "Server installer should not use -server kernel for non-PAE CPU's (affects: 1) (heat: 4)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227869
[13:32] <cjwatson> ttx: will bug 627963 require a server respin?
[13:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 627963 in eucalyptus (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "CC doesn't start correctly, CLC struggles with certificates (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627963
[13:34] <ttx> cjwatson: if we find the cause, maybe
[13:34]  * ttx is getting a bit tired of last-day eucalyptus partycrashers
[13:36] <ttx> cjwatson: though at this point, I'd rather have the bug release-noted, I think
[13:36] <cjwatson> ok, want to write something up for MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOvervieww?
[13:36] <cjwatson> -w
[13:37] <ttx> I definitely will, but I need to spend a bit more time on this one.
[13:37] <ttx> appears to be amd64-only
[13:37] <ttx> though it takes so long to spin up a test that we hardly have a valid statistic sample
[14:03] <ara> cjwatson, any decision made on the respin?
[14:06] <cjwatson> definitely going to, but I'm unsure of timing
[14:06] <cjwatson> Kubuntu seems too broken to release as yet, which means we need a new ubiquity anyway
[14:08] <cjwatson> I think I'm going to go ahead and respin Ubuntu desktop once the current publisher run finishes; there are a few useful fixes there, and Wubi will be worth testing.  However my impression is that UNE and Kubuntu will need to wait for more ubiquity work
[14:08] <cjwatson> ev: ^- does that sound sane?
[14:12] <ara> cjwatson, so, you're saying, that, although ubuntu desktop will be respin now, it will be respin yet again once the changes in ubiquity gets published?
[14:13] <cjwatson> I don't think that's necessary if the changes aren't relevant to Ubuntu desktop
[14:13] <cjwatson> it would be for final, but for beta, not so worried
[14:15] <cjwatson> bah, inattention loses me time again, forgot to install in OEM mode
[14:27] <lamont> cjwatson: as a btw sort of thing, someday soon, I'll be upgrading ross to lucid (from karmic), as well as royal.  I'll wait until after beta, of course.
[14:27] <cjwatson> ok
[14:28] <cjwatson> adare?
[14:31] <ev> cjwatson: seems reasonable to me
[14:38] <ScottK> Note: The stack of kde uploads that are coming for intended for post-beta.
[15:47] <cjwatson> new Ubuntu desktop posted, fixes a couple of installer issues and (hopefully) Wubi
[15:56] <ara> cjwatson, thanks!
[15:57] <charlie-tca> will xubuntu be rebuilt?
[15:59] <cjwatson> if you want it to be
[15:59] <charlie-tca> if it is fixing some of these serious bugs, yes
[15:59] <charlie-tca> desktop only
[15:59] <ara> cjwatson, are the DVDs going to be respin as well?
[16:00] <charlie-tca> I think the static ip bug I reported was fatigue on my part. I am running another install to verify, but could not reproduce yet
[16:03] <cjwatson> ara: good question
[16:03] <cjwatson> what's your (plural) capacity like?
[16:03] <cjwatson> charlie-tca: xubuntu desktop respinning
[16:03] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[16:04] <ara> cjwatson, our capacity is low... but I think it is better to do the effort. It is a bit strange to release a buggy dvd (when teh desktop is working fine)
[16:05] <cjwatson> I'll start it off right after Xubuntu, then
[16:21] <ScottK> cjwatson: If usb-creator is going to -updates, then I think the notes in tech overview (or wherever it landed) need to be updated.
[16:22] <cjwatson> yes
[16:22] <cjwatson> skaet: ^- could you do the honours?  it's the one about 10.04 usb-creator being unable to properly create maverick USB sticks - there's now an update in lucid-updates for it (or will be after the next publisher run)
[16:24] <skaet> cjwatson,  sure.  will take a pass at it.
[16:34] <seb128> gwibber stopped the old authentification way
[16:34] <seb128> ups
[16:35] <seb128> twitter stopped the old authentification way
[16:35] <seb128> the gwibber update in the queue fix that
[16:35] <ScottK> seb128: How are you fixing Lucid?
[16:35] <seb128> I don't think it's a beta blocker but I'm just mentioning it in case somebody would like to slip it in
[16:35] <ScottK> For Kubuntu we have a similar issue to consider.
[16:35] <seb128> or if there is a slot between resprins
[16:36] <seb128> ScottK, you should ask kenvandine
[16:36] <ScottK> OK.
[16:36] <seb128> he did the changes to gwibber
[16:36] <skaet> ScottK,  doublechecking - the one corresponding to bug 608382?
[16:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 608382 in usb-creator (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 3 other projects) "Maverick images burned to usb key on lucid fail to boot - different syslinux version (affects: 51) (dups: 6) (heat: 272)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/608382
[16:36] <ScottK> skaet: Yes.
[16:37] <skaet> ScottK,  thanks.
[16:37] <cjwatson> Xubuntu desktop reposted
[16:37] <ara> charlie-tca, ^
[16:37] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[16:38] <cjwatson> Ubuntu DVD respinning
[16:38] <ara> cjwatson, thanks
[16:38] <cjwatson> really must automate all this website fiddling
[16:38] <GrueMaster> cjwatson: What issues were fixed in the installer earlier?  I'm seeing an odd issue of oem-config crashing, but ogra is not.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/486820/
[16:39] <ogra> wow, that looks weird
[16:39] <ogra> i finished two test installs successfully here
[16:40] <ogra> no issues at all (beyond known bugs)
[16:40] <GrueMaster> I'm going to try zeroing & reflashing my SD (just in case).
[16:40] <cjwatson> GrueMaster: I don't know what that is; ev might.  The fixes in 2.3.13 were bug 628011 and bug 625258
[16:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628011 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity crashes on Ubuntu Netbook (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628011
[16:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 625258 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity crashed with UnboundLocalError in part_ask_option_changed() (affects: 11) (heat: 54)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/625258
[16:42] <GrueMaster> Neither of those should affect us.  I'll reflash/retest before filing anything.
[16:43] <ev> GrueMaster: useQuirks isn't from ubiquity and can be ignored - it's been appearing since fairly early on in the release
[16:44] <ev> GrueMaster: do you have a traceback?
[16:44] <GrueMaster> ok.  First time I've seen it on armel.
[16:44]  * ogra has never seen it
[16:45] <ogra> part_ask_option_changed() surely cant affect us on preinstalled images :)
[16:45] <cjwatson> seb128: I think it's unlikely that we can get it into many images, but I don't mind accepting it so that it's there for post-beta.  Done
[16:45] <GrueMaster> No traceback at the moment.  If I can reproduce it, I'll gather all the info.  Just never saw this oddity before.
[16:45] <ogra> and the other one is a partitioning issue too
[16:46] <GrueMaster> that's why I said they wouldn't affect us.  :P
[16:47] <didrocks> hum, for the netbook image, I just get the ackwardly famous "unknown keyword" on syslinux
[16:47] <cjwatson> upgrade to the usb-creator that *just* landed in lucid-updates (may not quite be on archive.u.c yet)
[16:48] <didrocks> even the maverick version has been upgraded?
[16:48] <didrocks> (it was only on lucid before IIRC)
[16:48] <seb128> cjwatson, thanks
[16:49] <cjwatson> maverick hasn't, but maverick didn't suffer from the problem in the first place PROVIDED that you also have maverick's syslinux installed
[16:49] <cjwatson> well, it suffers from the problem the other way round, for building lucid sticks on maverick; that hasn't been fixed yet
[16:50] <ScottK> Right, but that's not what the bug was about.
[16:50] <didrocks> hum weird, I created a desktop live yesterday from my laptop (maverick up-to-date) without any issue, just this time, creating the netbook live with the current iso make the error appear
[16:50] <ScottK> Probably ought to have another bug for that.
[16:51] <didrocks> will double check with the desktop iso first. or maybe I pick the wrong iso in the list, let me check
[16:51] <didrocks> (as adding an iso doesn't select it in usb-creator, it's more than possible)
[17:03] <didrocks> ok, was my fault. I should have select the wrong iso in usb-creator (probably a jaunty one). I should log a bug and fix that when you add an iso to usb-creator, it should select it. Testing the netbook iso now
[17:18] <ttx> cjwatson: eod here, server looks good, except some racy issues in eucalyptus that we'll document in releasenotes
[17:19] <ttx> I'll check in later today to answer any question, and be around early tomorrow.
[17:19] <GrueMaster> Ok, not reproducing oem-config crash.  Must have been an odd fluke with my SD.
[17:19] <cjwatson> ttx: ok, thanks
[17:25] <didrocks> cjwatson: do you know when the .1 iso for netbook respin will be published?
[17:29] <cjwatson> for netbook I was waiting for ev to sort out this install-from-USB bug
[17:30] <didrocks> ok, thanks
[17:41] <ara> If bug 627672 is not going to be fixed for Beta, it should be clearly release noted
[17:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 627672 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[Maverick Beta] install from USB stuck retrieving files 2/6 Hp Mini (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627672
[17:41] <ara> in my opinion it is quite important
[17:42] <ara> it makes a lot of installations fail
[18:00] <cjwatson> ara: 17:29 <cjwatson> for netbook I was waiting for ev to sort out this install-from-USB bug
[18:00] <cjwatson> Ubuntu DVDs posted
[18:03] <skaet> cjwatson, pitti,  did the fix to bug 625110 make it in?
[18:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 625110 in udev (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "usb-modeswitch 1.1.4 doesn't switch any device (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 22)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/625110
[18:07] <ara> cjwatson, OK, thanks
[18:09] <ScottK> skaet: Still in the queue.
[18:09] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=udev
[18:09] <skaet> ScottK,  thanks.  :)
[18:09] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[19:44] <slangasek> does someone know what the deal is with kdm and plymouth in maverick? (bug #628195)
[19:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628195 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "plymouthd keeps running after entering into kdm (not with gdm) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628195
[19:46] <ScottK> Sure enough.  It does.
[19:47] <ScottK> root       300     1  0  2883  3540   1 00:46 ?        00:01:39 /sbin/plymouthd --mode=boot --attach-to-session --pid-file=/dev/.initramfs/plymouth.pid
[19:49] <slangasek> ScottK: since the only plymouth change since lucid is to print "10.10" instead of "10.04", I'm pretty sure this is a regression in the kdm patch to handle stopping plymouth; but the previous bug report I triaged over that way seems not to have resulted in any action
[19:50] <slangasek> bug #618450
[19:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 618450 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "plymouthd does not quit on starting kdm (affects: 3) (heat: 274)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/618450
[19:50] <ScottK> I'm looking for the init file now.
[19:50] <slangasek> oh, that one was about using non-Ubuntu packages
[19:51] <slangasek> it's not about the init file - kdm itself needs to stop plymouth directly with the correct options in order to do the smooth transition to X
[19:51] <slangasek> and lucid has the patch to do this - I don't know about maverick
[19:51] <ScottK> So http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/kdm.upstart isn't where we should look?
[19:51] <slangasek> no
[19:52] <ScottK> ok
[19:53] <ScottK> I think I found it.
[19:54] <slangasek> ScottK: debian/patches/kubuntu_34_kdm_plymouth_transition.diff, in Lucid
[19:54] <ScottK> Yep.  It changed in Maverick and I think not for the better.
[19:55] <ScottK> slangasek: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_34_kdm_plymouth_transition.diff looks like rev 387 is the deadly one.
[19:55] <ScottK> Riddell: Can you have a look ^^^^
[19:57] <slangasek> hmm, that really seems to be mostly whitespace changes
[19:58] <slangasek> sigh, the previous revision nuked the DEP3 patch header
[19:58] <slangasek> but otherwise also does not change the patch
[19:58] <ScottK> Maybe it is.
[19:59] <slangasek> so I guess the breakage is due to changes to other code within kdm
[20:06] <ScottK> slangasek: apachelogger is looking at it.
[20:09] <slangasek> ScottK: ok, cool
[20:20] <GrueMaster> Not getting very far with kubuntu on omap.
[20:20] <GrueMaster> At least oem-config isn't crashing, though.
[20:56] <ScottK> GrueMaster: Does the preinstalled image use ubiquity?
[20:56] <GrueMaster> Somewhat.  It uses oem-config.
[20:57] <GrueMaster> But it got through all that.  Should have restarted into kdm.
[20:57] <GrueMaster> I've been experiencing some oddities with SD cards, so I'm trying again after zeroing one out.
[20:58] <ScottK> ubiquity in KDE is currently having excessive ram use problems.
[20:58] <ScottK> So it wouldn't suprise me if it had trouble on armel.
[21:00] <GrueMaster> Especially on beagleboard w/ 256M.
[21:01] <ScottK> Yep.
[21:02] <ScottK> It finally got to where it succeeded on my 1GB laptop, but Riddell's 512MB VM still had trouble.
[21:03] <ScottK> ev was last seen saying he'd finally replicated the issue.
[22:37] <elmo> cjwatson, et al.: has anyone whined at you about cdimage.u.c being run out of disk space?
[22:37] <cjwatson> nope
[22:38] <cjwatson> I can prune some DVD builds
[22:39] <elmo> thanks
[22:56] <Daviey> Release Team: Did ttx send some release notes regarding known issues for UEC Beta?
[23:03] <cjwatson> elmo: freed up 40G, does that help?
[23:03] <cjwatson> or thereabouts
[23:04] <elmo> cjwatson: perfect, thanks
[23:29] <skaet> Daviey, haven't seen any notes from ttx.   Can you please send what you have?
[23:29] <Daviey> skaet, Hah.. twas just about to give up and go to bed... Will compose them now.
[23:30] <skaet> Daviey,  thanks!  :)


 I bought an ebook and it is on this ubuntu computer, 1.4 G and too big for email. How do I put it on Google Drive or iCloud?  It only lets me open it in a reading program. It is .mobi if that matters and I dont think it does.
[02:36] <seer__> 22.04
[02:37] <sarnold> you can load https://drive.google.com/ in your favourite web browser and hit the '+ New' button to upload through the browser
[02:38] <sarnold> rclone can do some cloud storage things, the apt-cache show rclone  description mentions google drive specifically; I've never tried that, but I hear generally good things about it
[02:39] <seer__> Oh I figured it. right. I did it easily.   Thanks.
[02:39] <seer__> sarnold thanks
[02:39] <sarnold> lol :D
[02:40] <seer__> a book on thai massage. if you were here you could be my victim.
[02:41] <lotuspsychje> lol
[04:23] <Square> What's up with fonts in Linux. Windows grouped all versions of font whereas linux throws a humongous list at you. Oh, it also display fonts of other languages than I'm using.
[04:23] <Square> s/languages/alphabets/
[05:22] <wontfix[m]> Can someone check this? This is the 4-5th series of packages I've tested where this applies but not all or even most packages in a series.
[05:23] <wontfix[m]> Do NOT actually uninstall these but does sudo apt purge apport* show different results for you than sudo apt purge apport{,-}*
[05:24] <wontfix[m]> Am I crazy or shouldn't they have the same results?
[05:36] <tomreyn> wontfix[m]: i (don't have an ubuntu system here right now but) could look into it if it will actually solve a problem for you, is not just a purely theoretical discussion, tell us which shell you are using, share (on a pastebin) the output of these commands on your system, and tell us which ubuntu version you're using.
[05:37] <Square> What the flaming &#@?! Why does it have to take one minute!! To change filter on fonts in Gimp.
[05:37] <Square> No one wants fonts in 150 languages to displayed at once.
[05:38] <tomreyn> Square: are you asking how to file a bug report against gimp?
[05:39] <wontfix[m]> I mean it isn't theoretical in that other packaged debs show the same behavior which I would like to automate the installation of across many VMs.
[05:40] <wontfix[m]> The VM in question happens to be 22.04 but I believe I originally noticed on Lunar
[05:41] <wontfix[m]> Nothing has been installed as only shared virtual storage is initially connected outside of inter workspace connections. Bash.
[05:43] <wontfix[m]> The result is easy, apport* shows only apport* and apport-gtk* but apport{,-}* has the two prior packages and apport-symptoms . This behavior also happens with private packages though. I just cannot figure out a rhyme or reason as to why it happens with some package groupings and not others.
[05:47] <tomreyn> if you want to have only apt act on these patterns/globs/wildcards, you can enclose them in single quotes
[05:47] <tomreyn> otherwise your shell and its expansion, including presence of file names in the current dworking directory, will influence what is passed to apt
[05:49] <tomreyn> other than that you may want to re-read the last two paragraphs of the "install" command description (which "purge" and "remove" descriptions also reference) https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jammy/en/man8/apt-get.8.html
[05:49] <tomreyn> carefully :)
[05:51] <tomreyn> but i suspect the main issue that's puzzling you is the shell globbing and presence of files in the working directory.
[05:54] <wontfix[m]> Huh. Ok so the behavior only exists on first boot. compared a fresh VM to a restarted VM.
[05:54] <wontfix[m]> Directory doesn't seem to matter.
[05:56] <tomreyn> maybe the environment ("env") changes between the two boots, and thus how globbing works
[05:57] <wontfix[m]> Guess I fixed the issue, just have to do a fake restart. Super random.
[05:57] <tomreyn> have you tried single quoting?
[06:00] <wontfix[m]> Still does it
[06:00] <wontfix[m]> (With single quotes, not after a restart)
[06:01] <alprolife> hi, i deleted the error_log and re-create it but now don't update the errors, what can I do ?
[06:03] <tomreyn> wontfix[m]: hmm, i wouldn't expect apt to know how to interpret the '{,-}' characters in 'apport{,-}*' other than verbatim, other than maybe when it falls back to regex matching.
[06:04] <wontfix[m]> That was just the initial fix. It wasn't behaving correctly on just *
[06:06] <tomreyn> alprolife: the minimum information you should probably provide with your support question is which ubuntu version you're referring to and which ubuntu provided software.
[06:08] <alprolife> tomreyn: it's about ubuntu 22.04 and apache2 as webserver
[06:09] <tomreyn> alprolife: stop the service, delete the error_log file (which you probably re-created with incorrect permissions), start the service. apache2 should create the log file with proper permissions on first write tot he log file.
[06:10] <tomreyn> (or possibly while it starts up)
[06:11] <alprolife> tomreyn: I do it right now, and no log :(
[06:12] <tomreyn> alprolife: then i'd assume nothing is being logged there, or the webserver is unable to write to the directory the file would be created in.
[06:13] <tomreyn> journalctl -f   may hint on what's failing if it's the latter.
[06:16] <alprolife> tomreyn: the server has errors because I get error 500 and before I delete the error_log it registers now it doesn't register anymore
[07:28] <erotic_guy> hiii
[07:29] <erotic_guy> hey jhonny-Five, are you using android phone
[07:30] <erotic_guy> revolution app to connect to libera
[07:34] <erotic_guy> how can i use mate desktop on ubuntu 22.04 LTS
[07:34] <erotic_guy> i love mate desktop
[07:34] <erotic_guy> pls help me
[07:34] <erotic_guy> hahah
[08:50] <spacepirate> Hi Guys
[08:51] <lotuspsychje> welcome spacepirate
[08:51] <lotuspsychje> what can we do for you today
[08:51] <spacepirate> Thank you for the welcome..
[08:52] <spacepirate> Nothing, I'm trying if someone can hear me.
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> spacepirate: if 'hear me' means an ubuntu question, go ahead and ask here is the right place
[08:55] <spacepirate> I don't really have any questions related to Ubuntu. But I do have a lot of questions and needed directions to where I can learn Linux in a much more deeper level.
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> spacepirate: come on over the #ubuntu-discuss if you like
[11:58] <militantorc> What is the list of drivers that is present only in Ubuntu but not Debian
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> militantorc: we dont really take polls here, whats your purpose exactly?
[12:03] <militantorc> if it will be debian friendly hardware or not
[12:04] <militantorc> I was told by #debian that #ubuntu would know the answer better
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> !hardware | militantorc is this what you seek?
[12:11] <militantorc> lotuspsychje, yes but some breakdown about if there are any drivers that only Ubuntu supports but debian or other linux don't have it
[12:15] <ravage> such a list may exist by some 3rd party. Ubuntu does not have such a list.
[13:47] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:48] <militantorc> Hi
[15:18] <al1r4d> Hi militantorc
[15:18] <al1r4d> Hi too BluesKaj
[15:19] <al1r4d> erotic_guy: yes, you can
[15:38] <hwpplayer1> sarnold: do you know any financial apps that show market reports via a desktop client ? I used one for a while 3 years ago but I forgot its name
[15:38] <hwpplayer1> snap or deb same for me in this meaning sarnold
[15:45] <hwpplayer1> I found 34 finance apps but I'm not sure that I can find the "old" one
[15:45] <hwpplayer1> sarnold ^
[15:55] <hwpplayer1> I couldn't find mine sarnold see you later
[17:05] <LtHummus> is there a good CLI app for burning Blu-Ray/DVD/CDs? all my googling leads me to GUI apps which won't work too well on ubuntu server :)
[17:09] <wyatt> x11 forwarding?
[17:11] <rbox> LtHummus: people used to use wodim back in the day
[17:16] <JanC> LtHummus: wodim, cdw, cdrskin, ...
[17:17] <JanC> and burner
[17:17] <LtHummus> oh cdrskin looks good...wodim and cdw don't support blu-rays (according to their manpages)
[17:17] <JanC> ah, that's possible
[18:10] <hacker_> hi
[18:10] <hacker_> i am looking for someone who like to talk
[18:11] <rbox> this channel isn't for chatting
[18:11] <hacker_> ohh ok
[18:11] <hacker_> then for what?
[18:11] <oerheks> see topic
[18:11] <rbox> well as the topic says
[18:11] <rbox> ubuntu support
[18:11] <hacker_> ok
[18:12] <rbox> lol
[19:17] <Guest3765> bonsoir
[20:01] <wontfix[m]> Why does GNOME Initial Setup Copy Worker run other than firstrun or setup?
[20:14] <oerheks> maybe this is your answer? https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-initial-setup/-/issues/84
[20:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 84 in GNOME/gnome-initial-setup "Run as target user, not as dedicated gnome-initial-setup user" [Opened]
[20:14] <oerheks> gnome-initial-setup (in the first-boot mode) runs in a cut-down GNOME shell, as a gnome-initial-setup user. Once all pages are complete, it uses accountsservice to create a new account, makes all its files (keyring, GSettings database, ...) readable by that user, and tells GDM to log it out and log in as the new user.
[21:06] <BillTorvalds> https://ubuntu.com <-- Is this really the official Ubuntu website?
[21:06] <BillTorvalds> Because it looks very... um... not how I remember it.
[21:07] <BillTorvalds> I see no downloadable ISOs or anything about it being a Linux distro?
[21:08] <bprompt> BillTorvalds: huh?  I mean, what were you expecting? :), and yes it is
[21:08] <ravage> https://ubuntu.com/#download
[21:08] <toddc> BillTorvalds: ubuntu support here yes
[21:09] <wontfix[m]> Well, companies do eventually want to become profitable. Also the tooling and design language have changed for all companies and popular culture.
[21:10] <BillTorvalds> Hmm. Yes. My eyes must have focused on the other parts of the screen.
[21:10] <bprompt> BillTorvalds:  well, the website itself will change, most do you know, depends on how long ago you were there
[21:11] <BillTorvalds> Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS <-- If I use this, is the "apt" going to have outdated packages like on Linux Mint, or will PostgreSQL-15 be available?
[21:12] <jhutchins> BillTorvalds: You mean is it going to have packages that have been tested and patched, not the latest bleeding edge straight from the developers?  Yes.
[21:12] <toddc> latest stable availible via apt for the most part
[21:13] <bprompt> BillTorvalds:  hmmm good one, for my part I mostly download the ISO and burn and install, haven't done a "distro-upgrade"
[21:13] <BillTorvalds> Because the reason I'm re-considering Ubuntu now is because Linux Mint has such "ancient" packages which wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the fact that I have a PG 15 database which cannot be downgraded.
[21:14] <BillTorvalds> (And  custom apt repos just break the system.)
[21:14] <oerheks> build your own PostgreSQL-15 then?
[21:14] <oerheks> and mint issues are not our problem.
[21:14] <BillTorvalds> That puts me in a perpetual state of maintaining a custom, flimsy installation, though.
[21:14] <oerheks> good luck!
[21:15] <BillTorvalds> My question above was about whether the "LTS" edition of Ubuntu has older apt packages, and whether I should skip that and use the "normal" one?
[21:15] <bprompt> BillTorvalds: or the alternative of updating POstgre :)
[21:15] <toddc> Long term stable
[21:15] <oerheks> we have no PostgreSQL-15 in our repos yet, so pick your bet
[21:15] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/postgresql/+packages
[21:16] <jhutchins> BillTorvalds: When you're building a system with a dedicated purpose like a Database Server, it's often a good idea to start with a stable, well tested distribution, then source the key components directly from the Database's own project sources.  That way you can keep the primary ap up to date and not have to worry about the core OS.
[21:17] <jhutchins> BillTorvalds: How long do you plan to support this server?
[21:17] <BillTorvalds> Last time I tried Ubuntu, I believe it had multiple "flavours", but that has been dropped now, it seems? (Except for LTS/non-LTS)
[21:17] <jhutchins> BillTorvalds: LTS has longer core support.
[21:18] <oerheks> it seems?
[21:18] <BillTorvalds> jhutchins: It's not a dedicated database server, though. It's my personal computer.
[21:18] <jhutchins> Definitely go with Gentoo then.
[21:19] <BillTorvalds> Huh? Why Gentoo?
[21:19] <BillTorvalds> First time I even hear that name in ages.
[21:20] <ravage> BillTorvalds: you can try https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt but that is not supported by Ubuntu (and this channel)
[21:27] <BillTorvalds> ravage: Wait... Are you saying that even the non-LTS Ubuntu only has PG 14 in apt?
[21:29] <ravage> https://packages.ubuntu.com/lunar/postgresql
[21:31] <ravage> Ubuntu 23.04 will get updates until January 2024
[21:31] <ravage> so you will need to update to the next release until then
[21:31] <ravage> (thats 23.10)
[21:35] <BillTorvalds> Either I've completely lost it, or something VERY fishy is going on here...
[21:37] <BillTorvalds> I downloaded the non-LTS Ubuntu ISO onto my desktop (like with so many other tried OSes), created a new VM in VMware Workstation Player, picked the file, was forced to enter a username and password pre-installation (with no way to avoid it), and then started the VM. Ubuntu's installer loaded up and immediately shows a login screen... for the installer... I enter the username and password just entered, and it says "Authentication failed" and
[21:37] <BillTorvalds> doesn't let me continue to install Ubuntu.
[21:37] <BillTorvalds> I assumed that I must have managed to make a typo of the password (TWICE!), so I repeated this whole procedure. Same thing again.
[21:38] <BillTorvalds> Why would the Ubuntu installer even ask for the username and password immediately, before anything else? That doesn't make sense to me.
[21:39] <BillTorvalds> (And why does VMware have that pre-installation prompt with no way to avoid it?)
[21:41] <wontfix[m]> Permission generation
[21:46] <BillTorvalds> I was able to get around it by NOT picking the ISO until the VM had been created.
[21:46] <BillTorvalds> But I would still love to hear what the deal is with that.
[21:46] <ravage> you have to ask vmware about their specific tweaks
[21:48] <BillTorvalds> Different question: At one step in the installer, it has a checkbox saying something along the lines of "Require my password to login", underneath the username/password stuff. Does this actually mean to say: "Require my username/password at initial boot"? As in, those of us who use full disk encryption don't want to enter both the decryption passphrase and then also username/password, so we skip it and only enter it when the computer is in
[21:48] <BillTorvalds> "locked" state to get back, etc.?
[21:48] <BillTorvalds> ravage: I was mostly referring to Ubuntu's installer having a concept of username/password prior to installation.
[21:50] <oerheks> vm ware asks for user/pass? interesting.
[21:51] <BillTorvalds> Given how polished the Ubuntu installer looks visually, I find the checkbox I mentioned to be very odd.
[21:51] <BillTorvalds> As if checking it disables the account you just created in the above input boxes entirely or something.
[22:28] <jhutchins> BillTorvalds: My systems log me in automatically, no login except to become root.
[22:28] <jhutchins> (Or connect remotely.)
[22:55] <BillTorvalds> I have to say that I was appalled by the post-installation nonsense about "setting up online accounts", sending telemetry to Ubuntu (on by default) and that stuff. I also never got asked about the DE, and it appears as if there is a whole separate *project* to get Xfce...
[22:55] <BillTorvalds> Modern computers profoundly depress me. I'm fleeing from the literal nightmare that is Windows 11, but end up in dead ends repeatedly with each Linux distro...


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[17:21] <pjosh> Good morning, can you advise me on this: is linux mint better than xbuntu?
[18:26] <diogenes_Vx15> pjosh, nope.
[18:32] <mudrc> hello
[18:32] <mudrc> is here a czech channel?
[18:32] <krytarik> !cz
[18:33] <mudrc> thank you, ill join the channel
[19:21] <Guest73> Is this a issus. in Xubuntu 22.04 no event sound although i have followed all instructions in the xfce docs and added xsession canberra files?
[19:24] <diogenes_Vx15> Guest73, what exactly did you follow?
[19:30] <Guest73> Turned on the enable event sound, set the correct sound theme, created these canberra xsession files, installed all canberra packages, still no sound in any programs
[19:42] <diogenes_Vx15> Guest73, run: sudo apt install libcanberra-gtk-module libcanberra-pulse libcanberra0
[19:42] <Guest73> I have done this
[19:43] <diogenes_Vx15> run: ls /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:43] <diogenes_Vx15> share the url
[19:49] <Guest73> I have created the 52libcanberra-gtk-module_add-to-gtk-modules, 52libcanberra-gtk3-module_add-to-gtk-modules
[19:50] <diogenes_Vx15> Guest73, pastebin the content of those.
[19:51] <Guest73> I'm on windows
[19:51] <Guest73> Xubuntu 22.04
[19:52] <diogenes_Vx15> Guest73, what do you mean you are on windows?
[19:53] <Guest73> I send message from windows computer
[19:53] <diogenes_Vx15> then why you ask for help with Linux being on windows?
[20:02] <Guest9> No event sound although i have followed all in the xfce docs Xubuntu 22.04
[20:10] <Guest9> https://pastebin.com/MaPE0FNb
[20:16] <Guest9> I created the 52libcanberra-gtk-module_add-to-gtk-modules, 52libcanberra-gtk3-module_add-to-gtk-modules xsession files
[20:18] <Guest9> https://pastebin.com/KUWdfDQg
[20:22] <Guest9> I have installed all canberra packages
[20:22] <Guest9> No event sound in Xubuntu 22.04
[20:27] <Guest9> No event sound is this a issue in Xubuntu 22.04
[20:27] <Guest9> hello
[20:43] <torv> Guest9: Context: I don't use event sounds. Ideas: 1. Make sure to have "System Sounds" un-muted and -silenced in "Volume Control"; 2. Search "xfce event sounds". Probably a "libcanberra" or Xfce upstream issue.
[20:50] <Guest9> https://pastebin.com/HVi8h7kg
[20:52] <Guest9> https://pastebin.com/Y8iu23Vx
[20:53] <Guest9> package version
[21:05] <stuv> hey, how can i select the used language ?
[21:07] <Guest9> english
[21:07] <stuv> yes
[21:08] <stuv> i find no setting in the menu where i can change the xfce4 language or install new ones
[21:08] <Guest9> How i answered?
[21:08] <Guest9> Noevent sound
[21:09] <Guest9> No event sound
[21:15] <Guest9> I have problem with event sound in Xubuntu 22.04
[21:15] <Guest9> No answer
[22:13] <edwin> hola