[12:14] <intelikey> miles errr the copy location would work assuming that apt is updated with that package as avalable else apt wont install it from there   and if you use dpkg to install you have to type in the full path anyway  so / might be better than /var/cache/apt/archives/
[12:16] <miles> really?
[12:16] <miles> i thought it had to go into that directory, "/" is easier
[12:17] <adenicio> stdin: im in kotepe how do i save my friend smiley to use them back easly
[12:17] <adenicio> ?
[12:17] <bluevapour> Whats autocomplete in terminal again peeps
[12:17] <bluevapour> ?
[12:17] <miles> you wouldnt even have to copy it at all, leave it on the usb
[12:17] <miles> tab
[12:17] <miles> or make a link
[12:17] <stdin> adenicio: ask where they got them from
[12:17] <intelikey> yeah apt wont even look in  /var/cache/apt/archives/  unless the apt database of repos says the package is avalavle   then it will look to see if it's already in   /var/cache/apt/archives/   and if not it dl's it to there.
[12:18] <Lopin> Okay, then how do I get the package installed?
[12:19] <Lopin> I got the tar.gz off of the Ubuntu website...
[12:19] <adenicio> stdin: well they on xp so they got them from friends that they add in there list
[12:19] <bluevapour> Right
[12:19] <intelikey> !tar
[12:19] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[12:19] <bluevapour> who was the person that needed help with enemy territory install, ive done it?
[12:19] <intelikey> !source
[12:19] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[12:19] <Lopin> bluevapour : that would be miles
[12:19] <bluevapour> Ok
[12:19] <stdin> adenicio: oh, you want to save your friends list?
[12:20] <bluevapour> That you? lopin?
[12:20] <Lopin> bluevapour: no, miles wanted to know how...
[12:20] <bluevapour> Oh oki
[12:20] <bluevapour> Miles, still need help?
[12:20] <adenicio> stdin: no lol im want to save there smileys for it to be in mine list of smileys in kotepe
[12:21] <Lopin> Oh...  Don't know why I'm going to say this, but if you have a program that will support shoutcast, I have a nice stream...  (Shameless plug)
[12:21] <adenicio> stdin: and why does it name kotepe?
[12:21] <Lopin> Okay, so now, what directory will this package go?
[12:21] <intelikey> login_  your home
[12:21] <miles> yea
[12:21] <intelikey> !b-e
[12:21] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[12:21] <Lopin> Oh...
[12:21] <miles> sorry, i just had  a really great idea
[12:21] <Lopin> Okay...
[12:21] <stdin> adenicio: that's what I thought in the 1st place, you have to ask where they got it from, there are some available in www.kde-look.org
[12:22] <bluevapour> Miles still need the help with Enemy territory install, i done it?
[12:22] <stdin> adenicio: i don't know why it's called kopete, you'll have to ask the people who made it
[12:22] <Lopin> I'll go try, and if not, I'll have to get back in vista...
[12:22] <Lopin> Dang, microsoft...
[12:22] <Lopin> BRB...
[12:22] <miles> yea i need help please
[12:22] <bluevapour> Yeah
[12:22] <bluevapour> Right
[12:22] <bluevapour> I downloaded the .run file
[12:22] <bluevapour> then
[12:23] <bluevapour> sudo chmox -x the file.run here
[12:23] <bluevapour> then sudo ./the file.run :D
[12:23] <bluevapour> i needed to download the libtk1.2 from package manager aswell
[12:23] <bluevapour> worked fine :D
[12:23] <intelikey> sudo bash filename.run
[12:23] <miles> chmox?
[12:23] <bluevapour> installed in less then one min
[12:23] <intelikey> sudo bash filename.run
[12:23] <bluevapour> chmod*
[12:23] <intelikey> sudo bash filename.run
[12:23] <miles> yea
[12:23] <stdin> intelikey: repeat much? :p
[12:23] <bluevapour> Doesnt matter what way intelikey, its just the way i dont it
[12:23] <bluevapour> lol
[12:24] <bluevapour> yeah i agree
[12:24] <intelikey> stdin only when being ignored
[12:24] <stdin> intelikey: yeah, I know the feeling
[12:24] <bluevapour> however, miles im only installing it to play TC:E
[12:24] <bluevapour> Ive heard its good so i said ide try it
[12:25] <miles> i have 64 bit kubuntu
[12:25] <miles> i already had it installed, but it never launches
[12:25] <bluevapour> Ahha ok
[12:25] <bluevapour> I had 64 before and it ran fine
[12:25] <miles> i downloaded et-linux-2.55.x86.run a month ago
[12:25] <bluevapour> just ran sudo et from command line
[12:26] <bluevapour> lol ok
[12:26] <bluevapour> was only trying to help
[12:26] <miles> haha no i appreciate it
[12:26] <miles> i never realized i had x86
[12:26] <miles> i got the menu icon, it just crashes when i try n launch
[12:26] <bluevapour> Hmm
[12:26] <bluevapour> Got the log output atall?
[12:26] <bluevapour> Might even leave a log in the ET fodler?
[12:27] <bluevapour> Which would help you find out whats wrong
[12:28] <bluevapour> Lol intelikey
[12:28] <intelikey> :)
[12:30] <Maxdamantuss> name of proc to freeze screen on hibernate?
[12:30] <Karti> DaSkreech: I have java and flash working fine on Firefox, but I like Konqueror, can it work on that or will I have to wait?
[12:30] <joel> Is there a way to get kde to remember my root password for the current session for applications that need it? Basically the same functionality that gnome offers
[12:30] <aguitel> anyone have chipset rtl8180 Realtec ?
[12:30] <intelikey> !hibernate
[12:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hibernate - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:31] <Maxdamantuss> ... :/
[12:31] <stdin> joel: it will, for a time at least
[12:31] <joel> stdin, from my personal experience, that is not true
[12:32] <intelikey> joel you can setup sudoers to not ask for passwords so special apps for whom ever,   if you want that.
[12:32] <Maxdamantuss> meh. ill just reboot. :(
[12:32] <stdin> joel: so if you start, lets say... adept then close it, then reopen it straight away, it ask for the password again?
[12:33] <joel> intelikey, I only want to enter the root password once, per session
[12:33] <intelikey> imo that's a very bad idea
[12:33] <Maxdamantuss> ^^
[12:33] <joel> this isnt a public computer, so your opinion is moot
[12:33] <intelikey> any thing in your session gets exploited and you have a windows box rather than a linux box
[12:34] <intelikey> maybe you like the idea of virii
[12:34] <bluevapour> Does kubuntu come bundled with latest nvidia drivers?
[12:34] <Maxdamantuss> sessions usually last weeks here
[12:34] <joel> yes, all those linux virii, look out
[12:35] <Assid> actually linux virii are all proof of concept more than implementations
[12:35] <intelikey> joel don't laugh   just run a root session all time and see....
[12:35] <intelikey> and that's essentially what he's asking for
[12:35] <joel> no, its not
[12:36] <chris_> what program should I use to find and connect to wireless networks in kubuntu fiesty/gutsy?
[12:37] <joel> kwirelessmanage i believe it's called works well
[12:37] <stdin> chris_: the knetworkmanager icon in the system tray
[12:37] <chris_> there isn't a knetworkmanager icon in the system trya..
[12:37] <sayers> chris_: there has to be unless you did something with it.
[12:38] <chris_> oh , wait, there is, it just doesn't see the wireless connection.
[12:38] <Assid> and maybe kde4
[12:38] <stdin> chris_: what wireless chipset/card?
[12:38] <sayers> I am intergrated my gpu died Assid
[12:38] <chris_> intel something or other..
[12:38] <chris_> intel 3945 wlan
[12:38] <Assid> sayers: huh ???
[12:39] <sayers> Assid: no compiz for me =d
[12:39] <Assid> you are integrated?
[12:39] <Assid> why ?
[12:39] <sayers> wow.
[12:39] <Assid> howd your gpu die?
[12:39] <sayers> my GPU died
[12:39] <Assid> howd it die?
[12:39] <sayers> i shot it
[12:39] <sayers> they die. it happens :)
[12:39] <sayers> the fan went bad on it thus killing it
[12:39] <stdin> chris_: hmm, it should just work
[12:40] <stdin> chris_: does the command "iwlist scan" show any access points?
[12:40] <ep> I have dapper and I'd like to install the weather-util package which is currently not available per apt-cache search.  How can I determine (a) if it's available for dapper and (b) which repository it resides?
[12:40] <chris_> stdin: I'm going to muck about in the bios, I don't see the wireless light on. I see the bluetooth light though..
[12:40] <Assid> sayers: gutsy ?
[12:40] <stdin> ep: look on http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[12:41] <sayers> Assid: wha?
[12:41] <fribuntu> Hi
[12:41] <Assid> sayers: are you using gutsy
[12:41] <sayers> gusty no.
[12:41] <Assid> i was strongly considering it.. everyone told me to shut up and sit down for a month
[12:42] <sayers> shut up and sit down, its not that good yet
[12:42] <sayers> just wait till it comes out officaly.
[12:42] <Assid> yeah
[12:45] <bluevapour> with ark, when i extract the TC:E patch to the usr/local/games/et/tcetest it says permission denied
[12:45] <Assid> get root
[12:45] <Assid> sudo or root
[12:45] <Assid> or chown or chmod
[12:46] <stdin> bluevapour: kdesu ark maybe
[12:46] <bluevapour> ERROR: Communication problem with ark, it probably crashed.
[12:46] <stdin> DON'T use sudo with GUI apps
[12:46] <bluevapour> why is that?
[12:46] <stdin> !kdesu
[12:46] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[12:47] <intelikey> bluevapour cause we don't like fixing it for you....
[12:47] <intelikey> and inverably you will be in here asking for help afterwords
[12:48] <bluevapour> Lol ok
[12:49] <chris_> well, that's irritating. My new laptop has  a quirk where the hardware switch for turning on/off wireless/bluetooth only turn bluetooth back on sometimes..
[12:49] <bluevapour> right
[12:49] <bluevapour> im first run of TC:E
[12:49] <bluevapour> i get
[12:50] <bluevapour> ..WARNING: could not set the given mode (4)
[12:50] <bluevapour> Initializing OpenGL display
[12:50] <bluevapour> ...setting mode 3: 640 480
[12:50] <bluevapour> Using XFree86-VidModeExtension Version 2.2
[12:50] <bluevapour> XF86DGA Mouse (Version 2.0) initialized
[12:50] <bluevapour> XFree86-VidModeExtension Activated at 640x480
[12:50] <bluevapour> Received signal 11, exiting...
[12:50] <bluevapour> whats that about
[12:50] <Assid> 640 ?!
[12:50] <bluevapour>  You are using software Mesa (no hardware acceleration)!
[12:50] <bluevapour> that line also worries me
[12:50] <bluevapour> techy's, solution please guys?
[12:51] <Assid> hrmm.. which card are you using
[12:51] <stdin> install the driver for your card
[12:51] <Assid> im a little sleepy.. so if i bable ignore me
[12:51] <Assid> but which card are you using.. and what driver
[12:51] <bluevapour> Nvidia 7600gt
[12:51] <Assid> hrmm nice card
[12:51] <stdin> bluevapour: installed the driver yet?
[12:52] <bluevapour> Lol when i had 6600 it installed auto in ubuntu so i assumed 7600gt would auto in kubuntu
[12:52] <Assid> you installed nvidia-glx-new ?
[12:52] <stdin> !nvidia
[12:52] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:52] <bluevapour> right what do i need to be installing
[12:52] <Assid> check that too
[12:52] <bluevapour> ty
[12:53] <Assid> bluevapour: http://www.debianadmin.com/envy-ati-and-nvidia-drivers-installation-made-easy.html
[12:53] <chris_> what do you guys use in kde to take snaps from the webcam?
[12:53] <bluevapour> HOw do i get onto restricted drivers in Kubuntu?
[12:53] <bluevapour> Aswome Assid xD
[12:54] <stdin> bluevapour: use the egdy instructions
[12:55] <Assid> crossover office shoulda been free :(
[12:55] <bluevapour> whats SU password?
[12:56] <stdin> bluevapour: don't use su, use sudo -i
[12:56] <stdin> bluevapour: or sudo su < same thing
[12:56] <bluevapour> ty
[12:56] <Assid> actuallly i changed over roots password.. and now i su
[12:57] <stdin> Assid: maybe, but that dosen't answer the question...
[12:57] <bluevapour> if im on latest, should it be installed apparently?
[12:57] <Assid> yep
[12:57] <bluevapour> is there any way to check?
[12:58] <intelikey> bluevapour you can set a root password.  it's not reccomended by the ubuntu team.  but i'm not part of that team and i simply answer questions.    if you want to set a root password make it a good one.      sudo passwd root
[12:58] <bluevapour> awsome , thanks man
[12:58] <bluevapour> also, how can i check mate to see if they have been installed?
[12:59] <bluevapour> in ubuntu there used to be restricted drivers
[12:59] <bluevapour> ant see that in kubuntu
[12:59] <khaije1> what the command line to fix package dependencies?
[12:59] <bluevapour> lol
[12:59] <khaije1> (can't rememeber)
[12:59] <stdin> khaije1: apt-get -f install
[01:00] <vash> how do you play .mkv in kubuntu?
[01:00] <khaije1> stdin: hmm, i was thinking of something else, but that sensible, i'll give it a shot
[01:00] <stdin> vash: I know mplayer can play it, never tried with anything else
[01:00] <vash> mplayer dooesnt work on me
[01:01] <vash> it wont even open
[01:01] <intelikey> vlc ?
[01:01] <vash> vlc only sound
[01:01] <intelikey> hmmm
[01:01] <stdin> vash: mplayer is a command line app, unless you start it with the -g switch
[01:01] <stdin> vash: try installing mkvtoolnix ?
[01:02] <vash> actually i am having problem with installing mplayer
[01:02] <vash> i install it from synaptic
[01:02] <intelikey> back later have some work that needs attending now that the saboth is over
[01:02] <vash> but i doesnt work at all with any video i try
[01:02] <vash> but it doesnt work at all with any video i try
[01:06] <NickPresta> vash, what do you mean it "doesn't work"? Can you play any video files?
[01:06] <vash> no
[01:06] <vash> nothng at all
[01:06] <vash> it wont even give an error message
[01:08] <bluevapour> how do i check to see if nvidia driers are installed?
[01:09] <vecina> anyone *here* know how to use c++ to display the contents of a directory?
[01:10] <bluevapour> right
[01:10] <bluevapour> im in my nvidia panel
[01:10] <fribuntu_> hi again.
[01:10] <bluevapour> and its set to nvidia 7 and standard drivers but says i have 256kb ram
[01:10] <bluevapour> when its 256mb
[01:11] <bluevapour> ?
[01:12] <emanuel> I am configuring kmldonkey to start a kernel when I start the application, but this is not happening: when kmldonkey starts, it shows a dialog saying that the connection to the kernel failed. Anyone having the same problem?
[01:12] <curt_> how can i save a wallpaper to a folder?  It keeps saying i don't have write permission Help!!
[01:14] <stdin> bluevapour: does the command " grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf|grep nvidia " show any output ?
[01:14] <stdin> curt_: what says you don't have permission ?
[01:15] <curt_> in the status bar at the bottom of the nautilus file manager
[01:15] <kyle__> can someone help me out getting my sound card to work
[01:15] <stdin> curt_: are you using gnome?
[01:15] <bluevapour> nope didnt work
[01:16] <Level15> nautilus????
[01:16] <curt_> no kde in kubuntu
[01:16] <Level15> wrong channel :-P
[01:16] <bluevapour> When i go into the panel, monitor and display, and click config on NV, its selected NV series 7 which is right
[01:16] <bluevapour> its just not working
[01:16] <kyle__> can someone help me out getting my sound card to work
[01:16] <stdin> curt_: where are you trying to copy it to?
[01:16] <bluevapour> Anyone?
[01:16] <Level15> !repeat
[01:16] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[01:16] <stdin> bluevapour: does the command " grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf|grep nvidia " show any output ?
[01:16] <curt_> the examples folder
[01:17] <Level15> kyle__:
[01:17] <Level15> kyle__: what seems to be the problem
[01:17] <bluevapour> nope
[01:17] <bluevapour> nothing
[01:17] <bluevapour> but no output full stop, no errors
[01:17] <kyle__> i dont get any sound for anything
[01:17] <stdin> curt_: that's  a link to /usr/share/examples and you won't have permission to write there
[01:17] <kyle__> and wheni  try to open volum econtrol
[01:17] <kyle__> i get an error message
[01:17] <Level15> kyle__: which error msg?
[01:17] <kyle__> The volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to control. This means either that you don't have the right GStreamer plugins installed, or that you don't have a sound card configured.
[01:17] <stdin> bluevapour: but you have nvidia-glx (or nvidia-glx-new) installed?
[01:18] <Level15> kyle__: is this a fresh install?
[01:18] <kyle__> yes
[01:18] <bluevapour> let me check
[01:18] <bluevapour> if i havent, which one should i get?
[01:18] <curt_> nevermind i just figured it out thanks anyway bye
[01:18] <bluevapour> for 7600gt
[01:18] <Level15> kyle__: please paste your lsmod in a pastebin
[01:18] <stdin> kyle__: gstreamer? that's gnome
[01:18] <kyle__> oh im in kubuntu arent i ><
[01:18] <stdin> bluevapour: hold on...
[01:18] <bluevapour> Oki doki
[01:19] <Level15> kyle__: yes you are
[01:19] <Level15> kyle__: i mean, if you are referring to the channel
[01:19] <kyle__> yeah
[01:19] <kyle__> are you still able to help?
[01:19] <ionstorm> how do I make my kde menu scroll
[01:19] <bluevapour> Waiting on your call Stdin :D
[01:20] <Level15> kyle__: yeah... the error doesn't seem to be DE dependent
[01:20] <kyle__> okay
[01:20] <kyle__> what exactly is a pastebin =]  sorry im a bit noobish
[01:20] <stdin> bluevapour: the normal nvidia-glx driver seems to be the one for the 7600gt
[01:20] <bluevapour> oki doki
[01:20] <Level15> !paste
[01:20] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:20] <kyle__> thanks
[01:20] <Level15> kyle__: np
[01:21] <bluevapour> Right stdin, do i also need to install restricted drivers package?
[01:21] <kyle__> here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33387/
[01:21] <stdin> bluevapour: yes, it should want to install that with nvidia-glx
[01:22] <bluevapour> what would that be called?
[01:22] <bluevapour> well ifact
[01:22] <bluevapour> if i select one, the other will isntall also?
[01:22] <stdin> bluevapour: just try installing "linux-generic"
[01:22] <Level15> do you know your sound card name/model?
[01:22] <kyle__> yeah one second
[01:22] <stdin> bluevapour: that usually pulls the l-r-m package
[01:23] <level1_> Hi, I installed sun java version 6.0... I also have gij (but don't really want it)... anyway, which java gives /usr/bin/java which links to the gij version... where is the sun version?
[01:23] <stdin> level1_: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[01:23] <kyle__> CS 4610/11 [CrystalClear SoundFusion  and the vendor is Cirrus Logic
[01:23] <bluevapour> Oki doki
[01:23] <Level15> kyle__: ok, sec
[01:23] <kyle__> thanks
[01:24] <bluevapour> Thats allready installed Stdin
[01:24] <bluevapour> The Linux-generic
[01:24] <vsudilov> hmmm my sound all of a sudden stopped working...the KDE sound thing picks up my driver correctly and my permissions for /dev/dsp haven't changed...
[01:24] <Level15> kyle__: is that a laptop?
[01:24] <kyle__> yes
[01:24] <kyle__> IBM 770X (oldoldold)
[01:25] <kyle__> IBM Thinkpad*
[01:25] <bluevapour> Stdin, whats the command to bring up Restricted Drivers?
[01:25] <stdin> bluevapour: then you should already have the right linux-restricted-modules-* package installed
[01:25] <bluevapour> Or where would i find it?
[01:25] <bluevapour> and ive installed nvidia thing you asked, now what
[01:25] <stdin> bluevapour: that's for ubuntu/gnome, not kubuntu (yet)
[01:25] <stdin> bluevapour: now just run "sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[01:25] <bluevapour> Oki
[01:26] <Level15> kyle__: please modprobe -r the module
[01:26] <bluevapour> it says thats done
[01:26] <bluevapour> now what lol
[01:26] <stdin> bluevapour: that's it :)
[01:26] <stdin> bluevapour: logout, then restart the X server to use it
[01:26] <Level15> kyle__: still there?
[01:26] <bluevapour> will xserver auto logout?
[01:26] <kyle__> yeah
[01:26] <kyle__> err what do you mean
[01:26] <kyle__> sorry, im really new
[01:27] <stdin> bluevapour: no, logout then restart X < it's the safe way
[01:27] <Level15> kyle__: sudo modprobe -r cs46xx
[01:27] <kyle__> kay
[01:27] <bluevapour> ok
[01:27] <kyle__> okay
[01:27] <kyle__> i did it
[01:28] <Level15> kyle__: any error mesages?
[01:28] <kyle__> no
[01:28] <rami> !jre
[01:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jre - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:28] <bluevapour> now
[01:28] <rami> !java
[01:28] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[01:28] <bluevapour> what was that command mate to check for info
[01:28] <bluevapour> grep?
[01:28] <stdin> bluevapour: " grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf|grep nvidia "
[01:28] <Level15> kyle__: now, sudo modprobe cs46xx   inmidiatley after that, dmesg and paste the result on a pastebin
[01:29] <kyle__> okay one sec
[01:29] <bluevapour> i get "driver" "nvidia" now?
[01:29] <bluevapour> Done?
[01:29] <kyle__> nothing came up
[01:29] <stdin> bluevapour: yep, you're all set :)
[01:29] <bluevapour> Thanks man
[01:29] <bluevapour> Your like a machine, helping 10 people at once
[01:29] <stdin> no problem :)
[01:29] <bluevapour> I recon ubuntu should hire you as support :d
[01:30] <stdin> well, I do need the money... :P
[01:30] <Level15> kyle__: run dmesg, it should output something. paste all of it on a pastebin
[01:30] <kyle__> k
[01:30] <vsudilov> anyone have any suggestions to fix my audio output? Permissions in /dev/dsp and settings in /etc/group "audio" section are fine...KDE picks up my sound card fine too...
[01:32] <kyle__> here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33388/
[01:32] <Level15> kyle__: ok, i have some BAD news for you... http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/CS4610
[07:13] (hitmanWilly/#kubuntu) intelikey, i think you just confused the fsck outta him :P
[07:13] (Paan/#kubuntu) oic
[07:13] (ferret_0567/#kubuntu) +i means make a file immutable
[07:13] (intelikey/#kubuntu) hitmanWilly could be.
[07:13] <Paan> nah nah i get you
[07:13] <Paan> my head just cains
[07:13] <Paan> from this crappy stretched res
[07:13] <Paan> il prob be back later in the week
[07:13] <ferret_0567> immutable = not changable, not deleteable
[07:13] <Paan> mwahahah
[07:14] <Paan> bye guys
[07:14] <Paan> thanks for your time
[07:14] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, his xorg.conf didn't change from the one I set up, so I don't see how that would help...
[07:14] <ferret_0567> I'm going back to XFCE
[07:15] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, it a setting somewhere deeper in kde that's doing this, i think...
[07:15] <intelikey> hitmanWilly you say it didn't change  ?
[07:15] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, nope, that's what I can't figure out
[07:17] (hitmanWilly/#kubuntu) Panlah, ok, get some rest :P
[07:17] (intelikey/#kubuntu) if you have an xorg.conf  in your home and issue startx   it reads the local config and ignores the global one.
[07:17] (intelikey/#kubuntu) but that's not applicable to kdm i don't think
[07:17] (hitmanWilly/#kubuntu) intelikey, no, that wouldn't have been it, unless kdm calls startx
[07:18] <Panlah> it wasn't called xorg.conf anymore
[07:18] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, especially since kdm runs suid root IIRC
[07:18] <Dhraakellian> what's the best way to get rid of ubuntu-desktop?
[07:18] <stdin> hitmanWilly: no, kdm calls X directly
[07:18] <Dhraakellian> and I'm not referring to the metapackage alone
[07:18] <intelikey> startx runs suid root
[07:18] <Dhraakellian> someone on another network linked to this: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[07:18] <intelikey> X runs suid root
[07:18] <hitmanWilly> ah, k, use a text login myself, so I'm kinda rusty on all that :P
[07:18] <hitmanWilly> at least kdm wise
[07:18] <stdin> Dhraakellian: yeah, that link should work
[07:19] <intelikey> in fact on a nosuid system no one but root can startx by any means
[07:19] <Dhraakellian> it's an aweful lot of packages that it's specifying manually
[07:19] <hitmanWilly> huh...didn't know that...
[07:19] <stdin> Dhraakellian: that's all the packages ubuntu-desktop installs
[07:20] <Dhraakellian> stdin: and any overlap between the two will be reinstalled afterwards, I take it?
[07:21] <Dhraakellian> (just a little bit of context: I'm doing this to free up space on my / partition for the KDE4 beta)
[07:21] <stdin> Dhraakellian: as long as you make sure "ubuntu-minimal", "ubuntu-standard" and "kubuntu-desktop" are installed, then you'll have everything Kubuntu installs by default
[07:21] <Dhraakellian> (and I already have apt's package download dir symlinked to my home directory)
[07:22] <Dhraakellian> stdin: at the end of that command, there's a "&& sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[07:22] <stdin> Dhraakellian: all the better then :p
[07:23] <Dhraakellian> ah, what the heck
[07:23] <Dhraakellian> the laptop isn't 'mission-critical'
[07:23] <Dhraakellian> and most/all of the data in my home directory is already on other computers in the house
[07:23] <Dhraakellian> so I can afford to totally screw up on it
[07:23] <stdin> Dhraakellian: like I said "ubuntu-minimal", "ubuntu-standard" and "kubuntu-desktop" are all you really need to make sure are installed
[07:24] <intelikey> Dhraakellian /var/cache/apt/archives ?    careful  apt-get update will probably not work with that.     it's like if you links  /var/cache/apt/archives/partial    then apt-get install wont work...      i'll explain the reason.
[07:24] <intelikey> apt calls ln to make hard links and then removes the origenal rather than moving the file   and you can't hard link accross fs's
[07:25] <Dhraakellian> okay
[07:25] <Dhraakellian> haven't had a problem with it yet
[07:25] <intelikey> k   just a word to the wise.
[07:25] <Dhraakellian> and, as I said, I can afford to screw up totally with this system, even if it's inconvenient
[07:25] <Dhraakellian> yeah, I'll undo it when I get a chance
[07:26] <Dhraakellian> thanks for the heads up
[07:26] <intelikey> np
[07:26] <DJAnubis> ggwooo
[07:26] <DJAnubis> alright, having a bit of trouble with installing wine *didn't happen before
[07:27] <intelikey> from the repos ?
[07:28] <intelikey> i need to sign off.   sleep is precious these days.
[07:28] <DJAnubis> http://pastebin.com/d7a708bd1
[07:28] <DJAnubis> that
[07:29] <DJAnubis> I need to understand what to do to fix it :P
[07:29] <DJAnubis> can anyone help me?
[07:30] <intelikey> DJAnubis looks like you have a repo setup for a later release of *buntu
[07:30] <stdin> DJAnubis: can you post the output of "apt-cache policy wine" to pastebin
[07:30] <DJAnubis> sure
[07:31] <intelikey> mixed repos.    check your     /etc/apt/sources.list       me bets a wooden indian against anything else.
[07:31] <intelikey> errr wooden nickle
[07:32] <DJAnubis> http://pastebin.com/m5dcfa658
[07:32] <stdin> DJAnubis: and "lsb_release -c -s" shows what?
[07:37] <DJAnubis> it's edgy
[07:37] <adydas> im going to pull my nose off if id ont remember so im gonna ask, to install swf support for opera you just move libflashplayer.so to the plugins dir for opera and reboot opera?
[07:37] <hitmanWilly> anyway, all, im off...
[07:37] <stdin> DJAnubis: that's your problem then, yo have the feisty repository for wine and are running edgy
[07:37] <DJAnubis> aah
[07:37] <DJAnubis> crap xD
[07:37] <stdin> DJAnubis: just edit the source to say edgy instead of feisty
[07:37] <DJAnubis> thx
[07:37] <DJAnubis> that was alot smoother than 3 years ago
[07:37] <DJAnubis> I was less drunk then
[07:37] <DJAnubis> so, that's saying something
[07:37] <stdin> adydas: yeah, that should work
[07:37] <intelikey> sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.oops ;sed 's/feisty/edgy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list.oops | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:37] <intelikey> fixed!
[07:38] <stdin> intelikey: I'd just use sed -i
[07:38] <intelikey> but no backup of the oops  :)
[07:38] <klobster> anyone in here familiar with dash?
[07:38] <adydas> stdin: figured... it dont error saying no shockwave installed anymore but just wont work
[07:39] <intelikey> i like keeping reminders of my oops's
[07:39] <mikes1> Anyone help me with "intel sound"?
[07:39] <stdin> intelikey: sed -i.oops
[07:39] <mikes1> Toshiba A200 laptop
[07:39] <titanix88> hello!
[07:39] <stdin> klobster: ask your question and see
[07:40] <klobster> anyone know why dash doesn't like the syntax of ${@:$#} ?
[07:40] <intelikey> cause it's bashism
[07:40] <intelikey> not posix
[07:40] <DJAnubis> hmm
[07:40] <DJAnubis> where do I change from feisty to edgy in that source?
[07:41] <klobster> intelikey: bash --posix does not complain about it?
[07:41] <adydas> also why does it try and open everything i want to download into kate
[07:41] <intelikey> DJAnubis all occurances thereof
[07:41] <adydas> and moan about being corrupt and wont let me save it as a what ever file to the dtop
[07:42] <stdin> klobster: bash's posix isn't completely posix (yeah, I know)
[07:42] <intelikey> klobster but bash --posix  only means it will accept all posix code  not that it's limited to posix   bash is hopelessly  non-posix these days
[07:43] <titanix88> why do t care about posix??
[07:43] <klobster> intelikey: stdin either of you know of another way to say ${@:$#} (the last string in an array)?
[07:43] <soulrider> !compiling
[07:43] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:44] <klobster> titanix88: in ubuntu sh is dash
[07:44] <Wiggles> I have a simple question.
[07:44] <Wiggles> Whats SKIM and do i need it?
[07:44] <intelikey> i have all but stopped using bash for script writting.   and even converted all my existing scripts to full posix compliance.
[07:44] <titanix88> no dash it is bash
[07:44] <titanix88> no dash it is bash
[07:44] <stdin> titanix88: dash is not bash
[07:44] <intelikey> klobster nothing realy clean,
[07:45] <intelikey> titanix88 your /bin/sh can be any "posix compliant" shell
[07:45] <intelikey> or even bash
[07:45] <stdin> Wiggles: it's a way to input non-latin characters in KDE
[07:46] <stdin> Wiggles: like, chinise, for instance
[07:46] <Wiggles> stdin, thanks
[07:46] <titanix88> dash O_o
[07:46] <stdin> !dash
[07:46] <ubotu> /bin/sh links to the DASH shell in Ubuntu Edgy (6.10). Since DASH is not 100% compatible with the BASH shell, some scripts might break. You can make scripts execute using BASH by changing the first line of the script to  #! /bin/bash
[07:47] <Dhraakellian> I would just like to state for the record that the Compose Key rocks
[07:47] <stdin> heh
[07:47] <titanix88> why dash?bash was fine!!
[07:48] <Dhraakellian> !compose
[07:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about compose - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:48] <stdin> titanix88: because bash is not fully posix (and fully portable), and because dash is much smaller
[07:48] <Dhraakellian> !compose key
[07:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about compose key - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:48] <intelikey> titanix88 dash is smaller lighter and faster
[07:48] <titanix88> dash is a gnu tool?
[07:49] <intelikey> !info dash
[07:49] <ubotu> dash: The Debian Almquist Shell. In component main, is required. Version 0.5.3-5ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 82 kB, installed size 204 kB
[07:49] <intelikey> it's a debian tool
[07:49] <stdin> on my system, bash is 700912 and dash is 80308 (685K vs 79K)
[07:50] <intelikey> yeah and i can't figure out why they made bash an essential package ....
[07:50] <stdin> because bash just has a load of features and shortcuts probably...
[07:51] <intelikey> could be
[07:51] <stdin> even has a built in "echo" :p
[07:51] <intelikey> so does dash
[07:51] <intelikey> and they differ
[07:51] <Dhraakellian> hmm... synaptic has gnome deps?
[07:51] <intelikey> Dhraakellian yes synaptic is a gtk app
[07:52] <kalorin`> because bash is the bashiest!
[07:52] <Dhraakellian> intelikey: but GTK does not necessarilly mean Gnome
[07:52] <intelikey> neither does synaptic   :)
[07:52] <intelikey> !gtk
[07:52] <ubotu> GTK is the !GIMP toolkit, which forms the base of !GNOME and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI
[07:53] <stdin> gnome and gtk are quite linked, probably more so than kde/Qt
[07:53] <intelikey> almost as much as ubuntu and bash
[07:54] <Dhraakellian> oh, I see... tried installing with apt-get this time instead of aptitude
[07:54] <stdin> titanix88: dash is under the GNU GPL licence
[07:54] <Dhraakellian> guessing that aptitude was pulling in some recommended packages in addition to just those that are required?
[07:54] <stdin> Dhraakellian: yep, that's what aptitide does
[07:55] <intelikey> and debian tools are possably more gun than gnu is...  but who is counting..
[07:55] <stdin> intelikey: erm, debian and the GNU :p
[07:56] <Dhraakellian> titanix88: but will hurd be going gpl3, given that it's (iirc) more closely tied with GNU/FSF?
[07:56] <stdin> probably
[07:56] <titanix88> must!
[07:57] <intelikey> long as'n it aint got that M$ EULA attached,  we wont hang it, burn it, beat it with a stick, or felay the hide offen' it today.
[07:57] <Dhraakellian> fillet?
[07:58] <intelikey> </andy gibbs>
[07:58] <stdin> HERD = HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons, where HIRD = HURD of Interfaces Representing Depth
[07:58] <intelikey> yeah fillet = felay'    :)
[07:58] <stdin> erm HIRD for the 1st one^
[07:59] <stdin> damn, can't type today...
[07:59] <intelikey> HURD
[07:59] <el_isma> Hi. I'm trying to set up kdm. I have defined several ServerLayouts in xorg.conf and I wish to choose which one to use from kdm. Is that possible?
[08:00] <stdin> intelikey: yeah, I is right by the U, that's what I meant by not being able to type
[08:00] <intelikey> qwerty ?
[08:00] <intelikey> i see.
[08:01] <stdin> intelikey: yeah, laptop so I can't do dvorak without disassembling
[08:01] <Dhraakellian> heh
[08:01] <Dhraakellian> stdin: forcing yourself to be a touch typist, eh?
[08:01] <titanix88> hurd can now execute simple hello world programs.they say!
[08:02] <Lynoure> stdin: I did, there are some nice sturdy keyboard stickers that blended in nicely with my keys
[08:02] <Dhraakellian> (something with which I thoroughly sympathize, being a dvorak-on-qwerty user myself)
[08:02] <Dhraakellian> and, you know, I almost like it better this way
[08:02] <Dhraakellian> since it keeps me honest
[08:03] <Dhraakellian> and I like being able to see what keys are what in the rare case that I actually need to use qwerty
[08:03] <Dhraakellian> (also, I'm too lazy to rearrange the keycaps or get stickers)
[08:03] <stdin> I'll stick with the default layout on my laptop for now, it's too new to mess up (less than 4 months)
[08:03] <Dhraakellian> yeah
[08:04] <intelikey> 5xd8 ,om, 8,:bjcg8?j,h8hj 8fjcg.md 8vc8,hd8?mvcg8ld: 8 vxd8,jxd
[08:04] <DJAnubis> is there any way to use my windows programs from linux? I only installed a small partition
[08:04] <Dhraakellian> DJAnubis: wine?
[08:04] <DJAnubis> I know wine, duh,
[08:04] <stdin> DJAnubis: wine maybe
[08:04] <intelikey> err i mean  /me starts typing with his fingures on the wrong keys some time
[08:04] <soulrider> hello, i just stole my dads joystick from his computer. It seems pretty generic since it doesnt even have a label with a brand :P do you guys know of any app i can use to test if it works? or to at least know if it was picked up as an input device ?
[08:05] <DJAnubis> like, I have this distro just to power rip my windows
[08:05] <stdin> soulrider: there's a joystick section in system settings
[08:05] <soulrider> im using gnome right now =/
[08:05] <DJAnubis> blaargh
[08:05] <DJAnubis> I'm gonna pass out
[08:06] <Dhraakellian> okay, now that I have a full 2GB free on my / partition (which I'm starting to regret making only 5GB), I'm gonna try installing the KDE4 beta
[08:06] <pantic> well things arnt going so well with my external monitor runing on my laptop
[08:06] <intelikey> pantic's back.
[08:06] <stdin> soulrider: maybe ask in #ubuntu then
[08:06] <pantic> right now i cant even apply settings in system settings
[08:06] <titanix88> soulrider connect it and see in the system settings joystick tab to see he it is detected.
[08:06] <pantic> btw the x-org reconfigure...quite went wrong
[08:06] <pantic> hah
[08:06] <DJAnubis> aah
[08:06] <pantic> i didnt really need to do that... i couldnt boot right
[08:06] <khaije1> Dhraakellian: i'm using it now
[08:07] <soulrider> brb, gotta relogin
[08:07] <DJAnubis> how do I empty my trash?
[08:07] <pantic> not even recovery mode.. anyway.. i cant figure it out
[08:07] <DJAnubis> it's giving me a read error
[08:07] <Dhraakellian> khaije1: how usable is it so far?
[08:07] <stdin> DJAnubis: what error?
[08:07] <Dhraakellian> the last time I tried installing it, I ran out of disk space on /
[08:07] <Dhraakellian> and thus only got a partial install
[08:07] <Dhraakellian> which was quite unpretty
[08:07] <pantic> for some reason when i go to system settings and apply my graphic card, exit out of the menu, go back in and its back to none... any advice?
[08:07] <intelikey> !reconfigure
[08:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about reconfigure - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:07] <el_isma> I'm trying to set up kdm. I have defined several ServerLayouts in xorg.conf and I wish to choose which one to use from kdm. Is that possible?
[08:07] <DJAnubis> Could not read /home/casey/.local/share/Trash/info/u. t6cMuabVSPPPj@jSv7 0t$3[?^8.trashinfo.
[08:07] <khaije1> Dhraakellian: it's still touchy for basic stuff and it seems many bells and whistles aren't ready
[08:07] <stdin> el_isma: maybe ask in #kde
[08:08] <stdin> DJAnubis: huwa?
[08:08] <khaije1> Dhraakellian: so far i actually prefer the kde3.5.7 art better too
[08:08] <Dhraakellian> heh
[08:08] <DJAnubis> I dunno
[08:08] <DJAnubis> blaargh
[08:08] <DJAnubis> pass out time?
[08:08] <DJAnubis> come back with fresh mind tomorrow?
[08:08] <Dhraakellian> I'm just wondering how long it'll be before someone has backported the Oxygen icon set to KDE3
[08:08] <Dhraakellian> if they haven't already
[08:09] <intelikey> stdin gooday mate.
[08:09] <titanix88> Oxygen is too cool?
[08:13] (rhavenn/#kubuntu) Dhraakellian> yeah, i know it does...but the main volume is still too low..if i'm listening to xmms at a normal level and then start a DVD and crank the kaffeine volume control up I can barely hear anything
[08:13] (Dhraakellian/#kubuntu) and I highly recommend switching to somethinglike Amarokother than xmms, but I'm an Amarok fanboy and thus can't be trusted for unbiased advice on such topics
[08:13] (Dhraakellian/#kubuntu) !;)
[08:14] <rhavenn> Dhraakellian> egh..xmms gets the job done :) amarok is very nice though
[08:14] <Dhraakellian> and I don't know why Kaffeine would drop the volume down for DVD's
[08:14] <Dhraakellian> does it do it for other types of video?
[08:14] <Dhraakellian> and do you have the same problem with DVDs in other players?
[08:15] <rhavenn> Dhraakellian> i haven;t tried any other players..but i will run some tests and see :)
[08:15] <Dhraakellian> (vlc, regular xine-ui, etc)
[08:15] <titanix88> rhavenn maybe both of them needs to use same protocol(or server or whatever they say it) and mixer like alsa
[08:16] <rhavenn> titanix88> nagh, they can both go strasight through alsa
[08:16] <kalorin`> I love vlc personally
[08:17] <khaije1> so w/ kde4 how to activate window effects....?
[08:18] <stdin> it'll be in system settings
[08:18] <pantic> any assistance?
[08:18] <khaije1> stdin:  ya looking there now....
[08:19] <Dhraakellian> kalorin`: I'm looking forward to seeing what vlc's new Qt interface will look like
[08:19] <stdin> pantic: as long as it's set in xorg.conf it doesn't matter what system settings says
[08:19] <Lynoure> Does konsole only support bitmap fonts? the font list it shows me is quite short.
[08:19] <klobster> when does kde4 stable come out?
[08:20] <Hobbsee> october
[08:20] <stdin> klobster: scheduled for some time in october (for the 1st release)
[08:20] <Hobbsee> supposedly
[08:20] <stdin> there will probably be some point releases soon after that
[08:21] <pantic> stdin: where would xorg.conf be located exactly
[08:21] <stdin> pantic: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:21] <Dhraakellian> titanix88: next version is supposed to have it
[08:21] <Dhraakellian> iirc
[08:22] <stdin> titanix88: it doesn't (yet) only the svn version does (and thats Qt4, and buggy)
[08:22] <Dhraakellian> which is why I'm looking forward to it rather than using it right now
[08:22] <Dhraakellian> !;)
[08:24] <Lynoure> How can I add non-bitmap fonts to konsole?
[08:24] <stdin> Lynoure: not a clue, maybe the people in #kde know (if it's possible)
[08:24] <pantic> odd, settings in xorg does have nvidia driver there, but when i go to system settings it says none
[08:26] <stdin> pantic: then report that as a bug against kde-systemsettings if you want
[08:26] <pantic> ok any way to fix?
[08:26] <pantic> where could i report it
[08:27] <stdin> pantic: probably in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings
[08:29] <el_isma> How do I startx a kdm?
[08:29] <pantic> stdin: ok i found it but thanks for the link, any way to fix this, im still working on geting that widescreen going when pluged into a serial port
[08:29] <Dhraakellian> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[08:29] <stdin> el_isma: look at the ServerCmd= part
[08:29] <Dhraakellian> if I'm understanding you correctly
[08:29] <pantic> Dhraakellian: ill give it a try
[08:30] <el_isma> Dhraakellian: No. I want to start a new Xserver. KDM is already running
[08:30] <Dhraakellian> pantic: was talking to el_isma
[08:30] <Dhraakellian> ah
[08:30] <Dhraakellian> startx -- :1
[08:30] <el_isma> Dhraakellian: that only gets me a blank display
[08:30] <el_isma> Dhraakellian: I want to run a kde session there
[08:30] <Dhraakellian> startx -- :1 startkde?
[08:31] <el_isma> Dhraakellian: X doesn't like that option
[08:32] <Dhraakellian> startx startkde -- :1?
[08:32] <Dhraakellian> without the question mark, of course
[08:32] <Dhraakellian> oooh...
[08:32] <el_isma> Dhraakellian: Tried that too
[08:32] <Dhraakellian> gotta say, I like how kde4's ksysguard replacement looks
[08:33] <setkeh> heya guys
[08:35] <starman4ever> yey
[08:35] <starman4ever> brand new feiisty install - first time for linux :>
[08:35] <Lynoure> It seems konsole should use monospace fonts automatically, but there are many it just does not still use
[08:36] <Daisuke_Ido> starman4ever: this may sound off topic at the moment, but, ever seen 'Garden State'?
[08:37] <pantic> no hope still same deal, now my external monitor (pluged in serial port) is even worse, all it shows now is bunch of squares in different sizes and colors moving around really fast =) <---
[08:37] <pantic> kubuntu is really bad with those
[08:37] <pantic> how may i fix this masters
[08:38] <Daisuke_Ido> you...  have a monitor plugged into your serial port?
[08:38] <pantic> yes sir i do
[08:38] <pantic> or mam
[08:39] <setkeh> how well does nvidia work on linux ?????
[08:40] <adydas> well
[08:40] <adydas> fine for me
[08:40] <adydas> i just wisht he wiki was still up for beryl
[08:40] <Daisuke_Ido> beryl doesn't really exist anymore
[08:40] <pantic> no ideas?
[08:40] <Daisuke_Ido> it's compiz fusion now
[08:41] <adydas> really??
[08:41] <adydas> man im well behind then
[08:41] <adydas> ok why cani  see flash stuff but not play it or its content
[08:42] <setkeh> i only ask cuz my notebook only takes nvidia display drivers lol
[08:42] <Daisuke_Ido> adydas: i think beryl is at least semi-supported still though
[08:42] <starman4ever> Daisuke_Ido, Yes I have seen it...
[08:42] <Daisuke_Ido> setkeh: nvidia is a lot better than ati on linus
[08:42] <Daisuke_Ido> linux*
[08:42] <Daisuke_Ido> starman4ever: "this will change your life"
[08:42] <Daisuke_Ido> welcome to *ubuntu :)
[08:43] <adydas> Daisuke_Ido: im more worred as to why flash wont work
[08:43] <pantic> can someone help me make this monitor working in serial port please
[08:43] <starman4ever> Daisuke_Ido, Ok...not sure I understand what ur referring to
[08:43] <Daisuke_Ido> starman4ever: natalie portman, but that's not important :)
[08:43] <Daisuke_Ido> welcome anyway
[08:43] <Daisuke_Ido> adydas: no idea, sorry
[08:44] <pag> adydas, do you have Flash installed?
[08:44] <adydas> pag well, i want to say yes.. but apparantly not
[08:44] <adydas> see before i did nething it said blah blah get flash
[08:44] <Daisuke_Ido> if you can see, but not interact with, flash content...
[08:44] <Daisuke_Ido> that's weird.
[08:44] <adydas> nothing would work on youtube
[08:44] <starman4ever> Daisuke_Ido,  She is definitely a hottie
[08:44] <stdin> adydas: make sure flashplugin-nonfree is installed
[08:44] <starman4ever> i assume there are some n_p walls included? >_>
[08:44] <adydas> so i got the libflash.so file and put it into operas plugings dir
[08:45] <setkeh> Daisuke_Ido:  awsome :D im useing windows at the moment and i have a few linux distros on vmware and they are great so i might move to linux but i cant play BattleField2 onlinux so i might partition my HD but we shall see whn these other distros download as to what linux i use i have ubuntu and morphix on live cd and i have the iso images im downloading for a few others lol
[08:45] <adydas> and go to youtube and its there but cant work
[08:45] <starman4ever> !opera
[08:45] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[08:45] <starman4ever> er
[08:45] <pantic> stdin: if i reconfigure xorg would that help?
[08:45] <starman4ever> isnt that instttructions for ubuntu not kubuntu?
[08:46] <stdin> pantic: maybe
[08:46] <Dhraakellian> admin is the group that gets you sudo rights, right?
[08:46] <setkeh> opera is incredibly unpredictable even at the best of times i have had many crashes and problems with it lol
[08:46] <pantic> stdin: why is it so hard to get it working, not even the graphic card is ok
[08:47] <stdin> pantic: it should improve by the time gutsy comes out (with xorg 7.3)
[08:47] <starman4ever> !codecs
[08:47] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:47] <adydas> haah md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[08:47] <adydas> Awsum...
[08:48] <adydas> setkeh: ive had opera for nearly a year now
[08:48] <adydas> ive just decided to do a new instalaltion toa  new harddrive
[08:48] <adydas> opera with flash is mint ther
[08:50] <setkeh> adydas:  i have had reasonable problems with it i still use it but sometimes it really drives me nutz lol
[08:50] <pantic> stdin: no fix for now other then install?
[08:50] <Networkgamer> does anyone know how to mount memory cards in ps3 linux?
[08:50] <adydas> linux ps3
[08:50] <adydas> bad..
[08:50] <klobster> my $PS3 is blank
[08:50] <stdin> pantic: I don't know, I never really use dual displays
[08:51] <stdin> klobster: you know only a few people here get that :p
[08:51] <Networkgamer> well i need help with mounting memory cards in the ms,sd and cf slots
[08:52] <Networkgamer> cause i do dmesg and it shows my memory cards
[08:52] <klobster> stdin: if it's any consolation I only barely get it myself -.^
[08:52] <Networkgamer> but when i try to mount them it says they dont exist and arent in /etc/fstab
[08:52] <Networkgamer> then i nano /etc/fstab and they do exist in it
[08:53] <stdin> Networkgamer: try supplying the mountpoint
[08:53] <stdin> or use pmount
[08:55] <Networkgamer> well the mountpoint im focused on right now is /dev/sdd
[08:55] <Networkgamer> i know its formatted fat16
[08:55] <stdin> that's not a mountpoint
[08:55] <starman4ever> pantic, what vid card for your duals
[08:55] <Networkgamer> you mean the second place in /etc/fstab?
[08:55] <stdin> the mountpoint is where you want to mount ut
[08:55] <Networkgamer> oh
[08:55] <stdin> s/ut/it/
[08:55] <Networkgamer> ./media/sd
[08:56] <Networkgamer> but when i do plain mount /dev/sdd it says device doesnt exist in /etc/fstab
[08:56] <Networkgamer> but it does exits in it
[08:56] <stdin> post your fstab to pastebin
[08:57] <Daisuke_Ido> uh
[08:57] <Daisuke_Ido>  /dev/sdd what?
[08:57] <Daisuke_Ido> 1?  2?  18000000?
[08:58] <starman4ever> stdin, this is databuddy/pimp31415 on starman4ever's compy lol i converted another roomate XD
[08:58] <starman4ever> what was pantic's problem with duals?
[08:58] <Networkgamer> http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m520ba95b
[08:58] <pantic> starman4ever: well for one now i cant set the nvidia card
[08:59] <Networkgamer> thats my /etc/fstab
[08:59] <pantic> starman4ever: nvidia go 7600
[08:59] <starman4ever> gutsy / feisty / etc?
[08:59] <pantic> fiesty
[08:59] <starman4ever> you want twinview rite?
[08:59] <pantic> yes
[08:59] <starman4ever> single desktop etc
[08:59] <pantic> well leptop and a flat pannel
[08:59] <pantic> big monitor
[08:59] <starman4ever> www.inuyasha-lives.com/linux/xorg.conf
[08:59] <starman4ever> use that as an intial guide
[09:00] <stdin> Networkgamer: what does "ls /dev/sdd*" show?
[09:00] <starman4ever> i'll come in on my own client in a minute but will helllp from this one for now
[09:00] <starman4ever> basically in general is real easy
[09:00] <starman4ever> i recommend for something like that that you keep 2 xorgs in your /home folder: xorg.conf.single xorg.conf.dual
[09:01] <starman4ever> that way you have one for each config - and can just cp and restart X to switch between modes... though one can certainly define single monitor modes in the metamodes as you will see from my xorg
[09:01] <Networkgamer> starman4ever:no such file or directory
[09:01] <pantic> hah
[09:01] <pantic> man u messin with
[09:01] <Daisuke_Ido> that's probably why it doesn't work.
[09:01] <Daisuke_Ido> pantic: you have a serial port on a laptop?
[09:01] <Daisuke_Ido> i haven't seen that in a decade.
[09:02] <stdin> Networkgamer: ok, what about "ls -l /dev/sd?*" ?
[09:02] <starman4ever> pantic, did i say .net or .org
[09:02] <starman4ever> cd Desktop
[09:03] <starman4ever> wget inuyasha-lives.net/linux/xorg.conf
[09:03] <starman4ever> http://inuyasha-lives.net/linux/xorg.conf   <<--- or just look in browser
[09:04] <starman4ever> important bits: the screen 0 etc definition in the device section and its pairing in the serverlayout section
[09:04] <starman4ever> the twinview option and the metamodes and the couple below that
[09:04] <Networkgamer> /msg starman4ever
[09:04] <Networkgamer> brw-rw---- 1 root disk    8,  0 2007-08-12 00:18 /dev/sda
[09:04] <Networkgamer> brw-rw---- 1 root disk    8,  1 2007-08-12 00:19 /dev/sda1
[09:04] <Networkgamer> brw-rw---- 1 root disk    8,  2 2007-08-12 00:18 /dev/sda2
[09:04] <Networkgamer> brw-rw---- 1 root disk    8,  5 2007-08-12 00:18 /dev/sda5
[09:04] <Networkgamer> brw-rw---- 1 root disk    8, 16 2007-08-12 00:18 /dev/sdb
[09:04] <Networkgamer> brw-rw---- 1 root plugdev 8, 32 2007-08-12 00:18 /dev/sdc
[09:04] <starman4ever> ............
[09:04] <starman4ever> !flood
[09:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:04] <Networkgamer> sorry
[09:05] <starman4ever> good one thar Networkgamer lol
[09:05] <Networkgamer> i thought i could send a pm with it
[09:05] <robotgeek> Networkgamer: just use the pastebin next time!
[09:05] <starman4ever> and dont pm without asking ...~~!!
[09:05] <Networkgamer> http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=d33186e22
[09:05] <Networkgamer> ok
[09:05] <stdin> Networkgamer: there's only sda sdb and sdc, no sdd there
[09:06] <Networkgamer> well in dmesg it mentions sdd and sde
[09:06] <stdin> well they aren't there...
[09:06] <Networkgamer> ok
[09:06] <starman4ever> what fs on the mem cards
[09:06] <Networkgamer> i tryed mount /dev/sdb
[09:06] <Networkgamer> well fat16 on the sd
[09:06] <Networkgamer> but -t vfat doesnt work
[09:07] <starman4ever> !opera
[09:07] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[09:07] <yeniklasor> How can I reconfigure my network devices (for my wireless) ?
[09:07] <stdin> Networkgamer: take off the filesystem type
[09:07] <stdin> yeniklasor: same as with a wired device
[09:08] <stdin> yeniklasor: system settings
[09:08] <Networkgamer> you must pecify the filesystem type
[09:08] <stdin> yeniklasor: or use iwconfig for the command line
[09:08] <Networkgamer> specify*
[09:08] <yeniklasor> stdin : There is no wireless device in system settings
[09:08] <stdin> Networkgamer: where dose it say that?
[09:08] <stdin> yeniklasor: what card/chipset?
[09:08] <yeniklasor> intel
[09:08] <Networkgamer> after mount /dev/sdb /media/card1
[09:08] <yeniklasor> yesterday was wrking
[09:09] <stdin> yeniklasor: what model ?
[09:09] <stdin> Networkgamer: post "sudo fdisk -l" to pastebin
[09:09] <yeniklasor> how can I check
[09:09] <Networkgamer> fdisk doesnt work for me
[09:09] <Networkgamer> when i go to use it it cant find the command
[09:10] <starman4ever> Networkgamer, the sudo should make it workk
[09:10] <Networkgamer> and if i install it it says util-linux replaces it
[09:10] <Networkgamer> yeah
[09:10] <Networkgamer> right now in console im logged in as root
[09:10] <Networkgamer> kinda
[09:10] <starman4ever> @_@
[09:10] <starman4ever> nice
[09:10] <stdin> yeniklasor: lspci | grep Ethernet
[09:10] <Networkgamer> i logged in as root after signing on
[09:10] <Networkgamer> does it count still?
[09:11] <Networkgamer> cause i didnt originally log on as root
[09:11] <Networkgamer> then i opened irc
[09:11] <stdin> Networkgamer: is there a /sbin/fdisk ?
[09:11] <Networkgamer> nope
[09:12] <Networkgamer> should i remove util-linux?
[09:12] <stdin> it should be installed with util-linux
[09:13] <yeniklasor> iwconfig says no wireless extensions
[09:13] <stdin> yeniklasor: post "lspci | grep Ethernet" to pastebin
[09:14] <Networkgamer> what else can i use in place of fdisk?
[09:14] <stdin> cfsisk or parted I guess
[09:15] <yeniklasor> intel corparation 82573L gigabit etherner controller
[09:15] <robotgeek> Networkgamer: i really like the gparted live cd, it is handy to have
[09:15] <yeniklasor> this is hp pavilion dv6000 laptop
[09:16] <Networkgamer> gparted only finds one of my memory cards
[09:16] <Networkgamer> and not the one im focusing on
[09:17] <Networkgamer> i dont know if it matters but the one im focusing on is a microsd card in a sd card adapter
[09:17] <Networkgamer> in an sd card slot
[09:18] <Networkgamer> or something is jacked up with the connection or something
[09:19] <Networkgamer> cause it is finding /dev/sdb
[09:19] <Networkgamer> but its 0 bytes
[09:20] <Networkgamer> it says it doesnt recognizes /dev/sdb's disk label
[09:20] <stdin> yeniklasor: does "lsmod | grep e1000" show anything ?
[09:20] <Networkgamer> and it cant read /dev/sdbs superblock
[09:21] <Daisuke_Ido> then maybe you specified the wrong filesystem.
[09:21] <stdin> Networkgamer: are they formatted?
[09:22] <Networkgamer> yeah
[09:22] <Networkgamer> my phone and my ps3 can read it find and play music and stuff off of it
[09:23] <yeniklasor> stdin: e1000    126016  0
[09:23] <Networkgamer> but my ps3 in linux cant read it
[09:24] <klobster> what is the command to tell where a file is linked to?
[09:24] <stdin> klobster: ls ?
[09:24] <helmut_> ls -l
[09:25] <stdin> yeniklasor: does it have a switch on the laptop?
[09:25] <klobster> file, not directory, for example: ls -l "cat"
[09:25] <klobster> won't work
[09:25] <databuddy> stdin: <<-- the guy who was on starman4ever's compy lol
[09:25] <yeniklasor> stdin : yes it is open
[09:25] <databuddy> where did that guy trying to do the dual mon notebook go?
[09:25] <stdin> klobster: "ln -s file" will work
[09:26] <stdin> databuddy: he left
[09:26] <databuddy> ah
[09:26] <klobster> ln -s vi returns nothing
[09:26] <databuddy> well hopefully he followed the xorg - up to gutsy worx 99% of the time
[09:26] <yeniklasor> Do you know the config file I think I must add there "eth1"
[09:26] <pag> klobster, are you in the right directory?
[09:27] <stdin> yeniklasor: no, it should be working...
[09:27] <databuddy> stdin: i personally prefer to run gnome - gotta love the 'extra effects'
[09:27] <databuddy> is there something like that in kubuntu by default?
[09:27] <klobster> stdin pag i don't want to create one, i want to see what an existing one links to
[09:27] <pag> klobster, and btw; vi is linked to vim in ubuntu systems
[09:27] <databuddy> [i did happen to accidentally install beryl in his !~_^!
[09:27] <stdin> klobster: yes ls (not ln)
[09:28] <stdin> databuddy: I run gutsy, so I have compiz-fusion :)
[09:28] <klobster> stdin pag i keep typing the commands you offer, but i get errors if I even get a response
[09:28] <pag> klobster, " ls -l /usr/bin/ | grep vi "
[09:28] <stdin> klobster: you uses ln -s, that's to create, use ls -l
[09:29] <Networkgamer> would it help if i pointed someone to the officia; ps3 linux docs?
[09:29] <stdin> stdin@goten:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/vi
[09:29] <stdin> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2007-04-24 14:39 /usr/bin/vi -> /etc/alternatives/vi
[09:29] <Networkgamer> official*
[09:29] <stdin> klobster: see ^
[09:30] <klobster> stdin: that did work, thank you
[09:31] <klobster> I got an error the first time though:
[09:31] <klobster> :~/bin$ ls vi
[09:31] <klobster> ls: vi: No such file or directory
[09:32] <klobster> oops, I meant to post the ls -l vi, but the error is the same
[09:32] <wolferine> vi is not a directory
[09:32] <stdin> Networkgamer: maybe look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_for_PlayStation_3
[09:32] <wolferine> when you perform an ls command, you want to perform it on a directory
[09:32] <Networkgamer> i looked at that
[09:33] <Networkgamer> it just says its fully compliant
[09:33] <Networkgamer> nothing about actually using them
[09:33] <stdin> klobster: that's probably because the file called "vi" isn't in /home/YOU/bin
[09:33] <Networkgamer> cause atm it wont detect either of my memory cards
[09:33] <wolferine> stdin, what is this YOU :)
[09:34] <stdin> wolferine: your user name :)
[09:34] <wolferine> mine or yours :P
[09:35] <klobster> stdin: I haven't changed directories, though
[09:35] <stdin> neither, klobsters
[09:35] <stdin> klobster: you are in ~/bin
[09:35] <stdin> klobster: that's the "bin" directory in your users home directory
[09:36] <klobster> I know.  It's not really that important, but here: check the log: http://dpaste.com/16677/
[09:37] <stdin> klobster: what exactly are you trying to do?
[09:37] <yeniklasor> stdin : Says for eth1 or wlan0 "no such device" Can you help ?
[09:38] <stdin> yeniklasor: I can only point you to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:38] <yeniklasor> ok
[09:39] <klobster> stdin: I was just trying to find out where the original file for a linked file was located.  It's not all that important.  I just wanted you to see that it _was _ giving me an error when i first tried ls -l, but not the second time.
[09:39] <klobster> I crazy, but not that kind of crazy
[09:40] <stdin> klobster: that's because you gave ls a path. "ls -l vi" from ~/bin looks for "~/bin/vi
[09:40] <stdin> klobster: you have to tell ls where the file is
[09:40] <Networkgamer> is there any software i need to install to use media card readers?
[09:40] <klobster> stdin see line 56
[09:41] <stdin> klobster: yes, that's because you did "ln -s vi"
[09:41] <klobster> compare it to line 5
[09:41] <stdin> klobster: which made a link to "~/bin/vi" called "~/bin/vi"
[09:42] <stdin> klobster: ie: it points to itself
[09:42] <klobster> ahh.  lame, I don't want that
[09:42] <pantic> still no luck
[09:43] <pantic> i reinstalled kubuntu
[09:43] <stdin> databuddy ^
[09:43] <Networkgamer> anybody mind taking a look at http://www.cellperformance.com/public/linux-20061110-docs/LinuxKernelOverview.html
[09:43] <Networkgamer> it details ps3 linux
[09:43] <wolferine> why would we want to do that?
[09:44] <Networkgamer> so you get an idea
[09:44] <Networkgamer> or for reference
[09:44] <wolferine> get your own 'idea'
[09:44] <Networkgamer> well i do
[09:44] <Networkgamer> im just not a pro at linux
[09:44] <pantic> stdin: data?
[09:44] <Networkgamer> i just know basic things
[09:45] <stdin> pantic: that's the person who was helping you before (after a nick change)
[09:49] <pantic> .
[09:51] <setkeh> Networkgamer: same here mate lol \
[09:51] <Networkgamer> ?
[09:51] <Networkgamer> what you mean?
[09:51] <wolferine> stick with gaming man
[09:52] <Networkgamer> ps3?
[09:52] <setkeh> net
[09:52] <setkeh> Networkgamer: im not pro at linux eather lol im just learning lol
[09:52] <Networkgamer> me too
[09:53] <Networkgamer> but i could walk circles around a windows or mac user
[09:53] <wolferine> u said that already Networkgamer
[09:53] <Networkgamer> or psp user
[09:53] <Networkgamer> or ps3 user
[09:53] <Networkgamer> almost every ps3 user
[09:53] <setkeh> Networkgamer: im downloading allot of the distros now to have a play with them lol
[09:54] <Networkgamer> the only ones i like are ubuntu,yellow dog and fedora
[09:54] <Networkgamer> and ive only gotten ubuntu and fedora working
[09:54] <Networkgamer> now i wish i kept fedora
[09:55] <setkeh> lol
[09:55] <Networkgamer> entoo is a hit or miss
[09:55] <Networkgamer> gentoo*
[09:56] <Networkgamer> if you dont get it the first time,you wont get it
[09:56] <setkeh> i have slack and knoppix and ubuntu all installed on vmware and im useing ubuntu at the moment waiting for the others to download on my host OS lol
[09:56] <databuddy> Networkgamer: dont say that
[09:57] <stdin> Networkgamer, setkeh: if it's not kubuntu support related, please take it to #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:57] <databuddy> ive tried gentoo 3 times and gotten better results each time
[09:57] <databuddy> given i didnt know jack about nuthin when i tried last.. lol
[09:58] <Networkgamer> yeah
[09:59] <databuddy> personally i'm a gnome guy - but one of my roomates is mcse lol
[09:59] <databuddy> i just gave him kde for looks + familiarity kinda
[09:59] <databuddy> he was freaking out already XD
[10:00] <Networkgamer> lol
[10:00] <setkeh> how different from ubuntu is kubuntu ?
[10:00] <databuddy> setkeh: well depends on how you mean
[10:01] <databuddy> the basic set of tools differs greatly
[10:01] <Networkgamer> an apt-get install kde-desktop away
[10:01] <databuddy> but almost everything works on both
[10:01] <Networkgamer> its one commands idfference
[10:01] <databuddy> and personally i always install synaptic no matter what DE / WM
[10:01] <stdin> setkeh: only difference is the user interface
[10:02] <Networkgamer> they should make fedorra on ps3 with a single install cd
[10:02] <Networkgamer> or at least a net install
[10:02] <databuddy> kde is real nice in that there are options for DAYS - and it looks and feels quite a bit like windows for the most part
[10:02] <databuddy> though how it should be XD
[10:02] <stdin> !offtopic | Networkgamer, databuddy
[10:02] <ubotu> Networkgamer, databuddy: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[10:02] <klobster> stdin: which was the command i was looking for
[10:03] <stdin> klobster: ls ?
[10:03] <Networkgamer> can i get help for medai card readers?
[10:03] <databuddy> stdin: no way is that offtopic - the man is trying to decide b/t gnome and kde / and whatever else.
[10:03] <klobster> stdin: no, `which`
[10:03] <setkeh>  stdin: what difference is in it (i.e like the desktop layout)?
[10:04] <Networkgamer> wmii anyone?
[10:04] <Networkgamer> <100kb!
[10:04] <stdin> setkeh: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE
[10:04] <databuddy> setkeh: try youtube for some vids of different DE's - or google for the kde webby
[10:04] <Karti> Hi all, anyone know where I can find the Kontact details for calendar, so I can back it up?
[10:05] <setkeh> stdin: thankls mate :D
[10:05] <setkeh> databuddy:  will do when i get home because this internet conection sux lol
[10:07] <databuddy> yeah then look for screenshots. but more than that dont be afraid to try one, then another then another.
[10:08] <setkeh> databuddy:  do you mean distros when you say "try one"?
[10:09] <stdin> setkeh: they aren't really different distributions, just different interfaces
[10:09] <pantic> pantic@coban:~$ sudo aptitude install irssi
[10:09] <pantic> sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Aug 12 03:40:10 2007
[10:09] <pantic> something is really screwed up
[10:09] <stdin> pantic: try "sudo -K"
[10:10] <pantic> stdin: didnt work
[10:10] <stdin> setkeh: if you install Ubuntu you can get Kubuntu with "sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop"  (and vice versa ubuntu-desktop for Ubuntu)
[10:11] <setkeh> stdin: so one uses GNOME and the other KDE ??
[10:11] <HighNo> hi there, anybody interested in a short software test? Needed things: fun, 20 minutes, bluetooth device and mobile phone (just for bluetooth communication)
[10:11] <stdin> setkeh: exactly
[10:11] <HighNo> it should be testet whether the software works under KDE
[10:11] <setkeh> stdin: i get it :D i will try that string :D
[10:11] <stdin> pantic: hmm, well I know a reboot will solve it if all else fails
[10:12] <pantic> stdin: ok, you are right, but any idea why it wont apply my nvida card?
[10:13] <setkeh> stdin:  so the k stands for KDEUBUNTU?
[10:13] <stdin> pantic: like I said before, as long as it's set in xorg.conf it doesn't matter what system settings says, but report it as a bug if you want
[10:14] <stdin> setkeh: basically yes
[10:14] <pantic> stdin: ok
[10:14] <setkeh> kool
[10:14] <setkeh> bbs guys going home :D
[10:15] <Networkgamer> cy
[10:15] <Networkgamer> a
[10:17] <tank> hows everyones night been?
[10:17] <stdin> long...
[10:18] <wolferine> go to bed then :P
[10:18] <tank> ya get outta here
[10:18] <stdin> no, sleep is for the week :p
[10:18] <wolferine> hehe
[10:18] <Networkgamer> true
[10:19] <tank> I watched one of my freinds get jumped tonight...wasnt very good lol
[10:19] <tank> I start monday
[10:19] <Networkgamer> freshman?
[10:19] <tank> me?
[10:19] <Networkgamer> yeah
[10:19] <tank> why would I be a freshman?
[10:19] <Networkgamer> idk\
[10:19] <tank> what are you trying to say lol?
[10:19] <Networkgamer> just my school only freshman go on monday
[10:20] <stdin> Networkgamer: you can't tell me that's on topic now? :p
[10:20] <Networkgamer> then the rest start tuesday
[10:20] <tank> ahh I see
[10:20] <tank> no we all start the same day
[10:20] <Networkgamer> kinda
[10:20] <Networkgamer> stdin:it merged from a guy who said he didnt need sleep
[10:20] <Networkgamer> and although its 2:20 here i just remembered i start school on tuesday
[10:20] <stdin> Networkgamer: yes, but that was a one-liner, not a conversation :)
[10:21] <Networkgamer> ok
[10:21] <stdin> Networkgamer: see my twisted logic :)
[10:21] <Networkgamer> yeah
[10:21] <Networkgamer> believe me,i know a lot worse network admins and ops
[10:21] <Networkgamer> this network is actually rather nice
[10:22] <tank> I registered redlight.org and redlighter.info today...now why would I do that lol
[10:22] <Networkgamer> efnet not so much
[10:22] <tank> shouldnt have done that...stupid of me...what am I going to do with a website called redlighter?
[10:22] <Networkgamer> cause you want to boast you did it in linux?
[10:22] <tank> I dont even remeber what I was thinking...
[10:23] <stdin> Networkgamer: like I said, there's always #kubuntu-offtopic if you want a general chat
[10:23] <tank> ahh no one needs help atm so we dont have to stay on topic
[10:23] <stdin> tank: yes, you do
[10:23] <tank> ya I thought so...
[10:23] <Networkgamer> how do i update my kernel?is it very easy?
[10:24] <stdin> Networkgamer: when you install a kernel it does that for you (with grub)
[10:25] <Networkgamer> well how do i install a new kernel?
[10:25] <wolferine> google it
[10:25] <Networkgamer> whats the command?
[10:25] <wolferine> www.google.com
[10:26] <stdin> Networkgamer: you just update "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[10:27] <Networkgamer> no update found
[10:27] <HighNo> stdin: Thats not what you do for a new kernel
[10:27] <stdin> HighNo: yes, it is
[10:27] <pag> Networkgamer, why do you need a new kernel?
[10:27] <Networkgamer> i think thats whats wrong with the media card reraders
[10:27] <HighNo> stdin: that just installs every new package that is around, including libs
[10:28] <Networkgamer> how do i update the kernel
[10:28] <stdin> HighNo: and any new kernel versions
[10:28] <Networkgamer> or install a new kernel
[10:28] <wolferine> if no one answers him, he will most likely google it
[10:28] <HighNo> stdin: and Networkgamer: you install a new kernel simply by apt-get install kernel-package-name
[10:29] <Networkgamer> ok
[10:29] <stdin> HighNo: there are meta-packages that do that when a kernel is released, I do know this
[10:29] <HighNo> if it tells you there is no update that is because there is seldomly a real "update" ... right stdin
[10:29] <Networkgamer> all apt-cache found was kernel-package
[10:30] <Networkgamer> but i did that and now its installing
[10:30] <HighNo> Networkgamer: I believe all kernel packages start with "linux-image..."
[10:31] <stdin> Networkgamer: that's for building kernel packages
[10:31] <Networkgamer> ok
[10:31] <Networkgamer> so i can  stop that one?
[10:31] <Networkgamer> nvm
[10:31] <Networkgamer> it finished
[10:31] <stdin> linux-generic and linux-image-generic should install the latest kernel for you
[10:31] <HighNo> Networkgamer: you could, or you may want to compile your own - thats what kernel-package is for
[10:32] <Networkgamer> well all it found was linux-image-2.4 and linux-image-2.6
[10:32] <Networkgamer> and linux-image-netboot and linux-image-netbootable
[10:32] <Networkgamer> 2.6 i presume?
[10:32] <HighNo> hm, I have tons of kernel-images...
[10:33] <HighNo> could be my package sources...
[10:33] <Networkgamer> i just did apt-cache pkgnames kernel-image
[10:33] <stdin> Networkgamer: what does "uname -r" show?
[10:33] <HighNo> the latest ubuntu kernel is 2.6.20-16
[10:33] <HighNo> (that is normal ubuntu - i don't know for kubuntu - do you guys use different kernels?)
[10:33] <Networkgamer> 2.6.20-16-powerpc64-smp
[10:34] <HighNo> Networkgamer: you are uptodate
[10:34] <Networkgamer> well i installed ubuntu then installed kde
[10:34] <Networkgamer> damn...
[10:34] <stdin> HighNo: the only difference with kubuntu and ubuntu are the UIs
[10:34] <Networkgamer> gnome and kde
[10:34] <HighNo> thats what I though of
[10:34] <Networkgamer> and sometimes xfce4
[10:34] <HighNo> xubuntu - i know
[10:35] <Networkgamer> what about edubuntu?
[10:35] <HighNo> (I really should know this - I am "UCP")
[10:35] <Networkgamer> UCP?
[10:35] <HighNo> Networkgamer: a specialized distribution for education environments and thin client stuff
[10:35] <HighNo> UCP = Ubuntu Certified Professional
[10:35] <Networkgamer> well i know that
[10:35] <Networkgamer> but what de or wm does it ue
[10:36] <Networkgamer> ah
[10:36] <HighNo> oh, sorry
[10:36] <HighNo> I believe it to be GNOME to
[10:36] <Networkgamer> ok
[10:36] <stdin> there will be a KDE one too
[10:36] <Networkgamer> since i installed fedora on my ps3 i couldnt stand gnome
[10:36] <Networkgamer> or fedora
[10:36] <HighNo> Hehe
[10:36] <Networkgamer> but now i wish i had it
[10:37] <HighNo> I do like the looks of GNOME more than KDE though the GUI sometimes is less functional - or let's say it this way: It offers less functions but I still like it
[10:37] <Networkgamer> wish ubuntu could access my media card reaers right about now
[10:38] <HighNo> Thats why I use it - GNOME looks tidier than KDE (just looks!)
[10:38] <Networkgamer> well thats not why id choose it
[10:38] <Networkgamer> id choose it cause everything in it already worked right after install
[10:38] <rpedro> any way to test kde4 in gutsy?
[10:38] <Networkgamer> everything that should have worked anyway
[10:39] <HighNo> stdin: do you know a channel where I could ask for somebody doing a software test under KDE for me?
[10:39] <stdin> rpedro: read http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php (it's in universe for gutsy, not feisty-backports)
[10:39] <Networkgamer> woops
[10:39] <Networkgamer> didnt know that
[10:39] <stdin> HighNo: maybe in #kubuntu-devel
[10:39] <HighNo> stdin: right - thanks
[10:40] <rpedro> stdin: so that link is wrong about feisty?
[10:40] <stdin> rpedro: no, it gives feisty instructions because gutsy isn't releases yet
[10:41] <stdin> HighNo: you can also try #kde I guess
[10:41] <rpedro> so feisty instructions are outdated?
[10:42] <stdin> rpedro: no, they are fine if you use feisty
[10:42] <rpedro> oh, k
[10:42] <rpedro> using feisty  right now, without kde, only a few kde programs
[10:43] <rpedro> would be nice to install in feisty (my main install right now)
[10:43] <stdin> rpedro: then why did you ask about kde4 in gutsy?
[10:43] <[ifr0g] > #ifroog
[10:43] <Networkgamer> i see documentation on media card readers on psubuntu is pretty scarce
[10:43] <rpedro> hm, because
[10:44] <rpedro> I didn't think it would be available for feisty, and I just installed gutsy in a vmware machine
[10:44] <stdin> rpedro: you can use it in both
[10:44] <ibrahim> hi all
[10:44] <rpedro> nice :)
[10:46] <Networkgamer> after this search im going to bed
[10:48] <Networkgamer> now i get it
[10:48] <Networkgamer> when the ps3 starts up if access's the memory card readers
[10:48] <Networkgamer> it*
[10:48] <Networkgamer> and since kernel 2.6.11 it would flood the console with errors
[10:49] <Networkgamer> so when the kernel goes to access them it disables it
[10:49] <Networkgamer> thats why i see them in dmesg
[10:49] <Networkgamer> yet they dont actually exist
[10:49] <Networkgamer> do you hve an infobot?
[10:49] <stdin> !bot
[10:49] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[10:50] <Networkgamer> can i add something to him from here?
[10:51] <stdin> Networkgamer: you can request it, it will then be forwarded to the editors
[10:51] <stdin> Networkgamer: use something like !factoid is <reply> message goes here
[10:51] <databuddy> Fact:  The 1st triple jump in figure skating competition was performed by Dick Button in 1952.
[10:52] <Networkgamer> yeah i followed that second link
[10:52] <Networkgamer> and found that outfrom that page too
[10:53] <ibrahim_> hi
[10:54] <Networkgamer> !ps3cardreaders is <reply> In ubuntu,in its beta,it started with kernel 2.6.11,and whenever it accessed the media card readers it flooded the console with errors pertaining to it,preventing boot.since then,it has been patched so ubuntu can boot on the ps3,albeit you can not access the media card readers.take note that in dmesg it mentions devices sdd and sde,which are the medai card readers,yet after boot,they dont exist
[10:54] <Networkgamer> hows that?
[10:55] <stdin> you need spaces after commas
[10:55] <Networkgamer> i meant content
[10:55] <Networkgamer> could tht exlain it to a noob htat would come in and ask "why dont my memory cards work"
[10:55] <stdin> Networkgamer: looks ok to me
[10:55] <Networkgamer> ok
[10:56] <Networkgamer> so for reference its !ps3cardreaders
[10:56] <Assid> yello
[10:56] <Assid> sup stdin
[10:56] <Networkgamer> well g'night
[10:56] <trekdanne> hi all
[10:56] <Networkgamer> ill be back on give or take 12 hours
[10:57] <Networkgamer> my ass is soar as shit
[10:57] <stdin> Networkgamer: watch the language in here
[10:57] <Assid> Networkgamer:  you think needed to know that?
[10:57] <Networkgamer>       sorry
[10:57] <Networkgamer> ill remember that
[10:57] <stdin> :)
[10:57] <Networkgamer> hows $#!#>
[10:58] <Assid> my ### is soar as #### ?
[10:58] <Networkgamer> ok
[10:58] <Networkgamer> how bout *'s?
[10:58] <Assid> crap .. no ones gonna understand that
[10:58] <Networkgamer> lol
[10:58] <stdin> well, you could just say "my backside is painful"
[10:58] <stdin> :p
[10:58] <Assid> or my bumm hurts
[10:58] <Networkgamer> my @$$ i soar as $#!#
[10:58] <Assid> hahaha
[10:59] <Networkgamer> hows that?
[10:59] <Assid> cant believe we are finding different ways to write that
[10:59] <Networkgamer> yeah
[10:59] <Networkgamer> well it is 3 am here
[10:59] <Assid> we got just wayyyy too much time
[10:59] <Networkgamer> and probably around 6-7 there
[11:00] <Networkgamer> do you know any pain in the @$$ admins for irc?
[11:00] <Networkgamer> i do
[11:01] <Networkgamer> lol,im still banned on efnet
[11:01] <Assid> stdin: from the channel ? ircop ?
[11:02] <Networkgamer> on other servers
[11:02] <stdin> Assid: from the channel yes, but I know the freenode admins too
[11:02] <Assid> Networkgamer: your not making a good case for yourself
[11:02] <Networkgamer> ...
[11:03] <Networkgamer> im saying stdin is a really nice guy
[11:03] <Assid> haha.. suckup
[11:03] <Networkgamer> seriously
[11:03] <Networkgamer> goto irc.noobz.eu and talk to evilseph
[11:04] <Networkgamer> have you played final fantasy 7 for ps1?
[11:04] <Assid> dont think so
[11:04] <Networkgamer> oh
[11:04] <Assid> cant remember the ps1
[11:04] <Assid> too old of a console
[11:04] <Networkgamer> seen any previews or videos or pictures?
[11:04] <stdin> Networkgamer: now that's defiantly not on topic...
[11:04] <Networkgamer> ok...
[11:05] <Assid> damn. i gotta move a few domains across a couple of boxes
[11:05] <stdin> #kubuntu-offtopic for inane chatter please :p
[11:05] <Assid> stdin: you forgot 's'
[11:05] <Assid> in's'ane
[11:05] <Networkgamer> just joined that one
[11:05] <Networkgamer> inane is a word
[11:05] <stdin> Assid: I meant inane, not insane
[11:06] <Networkgamer> and theres a thin line between it and insane
[11:06] <Networkgamer> inane is just stupid
[11:06] <Assid> that line is almost non -existent :P
[11:06] <Networkgamer> insane is a lot more stupid sometimes
[11:07] <Assid> hrmm i wish moving domains wasnt soo damn bugging
[11:07] <Assid> oh well.. 1 domain at a time
[11:19] <bluevapour> Hey guys
[11:19] <bluevapour> I installed kubuntu, did some torrenting etc, worked amazing
[11:19] <Networkgamer> channel is kinda dead atm...
[11:19] <bluevapour> Now ive installed the updates and my cd drive wont work
[11:19] <Networkgamer> its pretty much me and you
[11:19] <bluevapour> wont respond, open, close anything
[11:19] <bluevapour> Any tips mate?
[11:19] <Networkgamer> have you tried mounting it?
[11:19] <bluevapour> Yeah
[11:20] <bluevapour> Doesnt work either
[11:20] <bluevapour> Its automount aswell
[11:20] <Networkgamer> have you looked at dmesg?
[11:20] <bluevapour> Nope im kinda new
[11:20] <bluevapour> I just type that into term?
[11:20] <Networkgamer> yep
[11:20] <bluevapour> [   87.356000]  hdc: drive not ready for command
[11:20] <stdin> you'll want to run that through tail
[11:20] <bluevapour> [  147.356000]  hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy }
[11:20] <Networkgamer> is there a disc in it?
[11:20] <stdin> !paste | bluevapour
[11:21] <ubotu> bluevapour: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:21] <bluevapour> ok ill paste the whole thing there
[11:21] <Networkgamer> is there a disc in it?
[11:22] <bluevapour> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33430/
[11:22] <bluevapour> Yeah there is
[11:22] <bluevapour> But ive taken it out during boot before
[11:22] <bluevapour> and that worked
[11:22] <bluevapour> Just doesnt work once kubuntu is installed
[11:22] <HighNo> stdin: thanks again, found someone to test it - among with other interesting stuff.
[11:23] <stdin> HighNo: :)
[11:23] <HighNo> bye
[11:23] <bluevapour> Stdin, you read that paste? what ya think?
[11:23] <tank> I have a question for you guys...
[11:24] <stdin> bluevapour: I think it's something to do with ACPI, a reboot should probably fix it
[11:24] <tank> I access the same two FTP server all the time...they are for my websites...I use system > connect to server I'm told its bad to leave those folders on my desktop?
[11:24] <bluevapour> Nope, rebooted several times
[11:24] <stdin> hmm
[11:24] <bluevapour> and ive installed Ubuntu before a couple of months ago
[11:24] <bluevapour> didnt work after update then either
[11:24] <tank> because if those folders are on my desktop I'm logged onto the ftp server?
[11:25] <bluevapour> Basically
[11:25] <Networkgamer> i want your processor bad
[11:25] <bluevapour> I need a libc++5 to play TC:Elite, and it needs files from that D
[11:25] <bluevapour> What Networgamer?
[11:25] <Networkgamer> your athlon 64 x2 dual core
[11:25] <bluevapour> Lol :D
[11:25] <bluevapour> Good stuff huh :d
[11:25] <Networkgamer> thats an amaing chip
[11:25] <bluevapour> Its aight
[11:25] <bluevapour> NOt amazing, not anymore
[11:26] <Networkgamer> well i have a single core pentium 4 2.5 ghz
[11:26] <bluevapour> We are on linux tho
[11:26] <Networkgamer> and 400mhz bus
[11:26] <bluevapour> Chip doesnt really matter much
[11:26] <bluevapour> Also, Stdin, anything else?
[11:26] <stdin> bluevapour: try "sudo hdparm -d0 /dev/hdc" ?
[11:28] <bluevapour> Stdin, it just hangs
[11:28] <Networkgamer> have you installed any hardware lately?
[11:28] <stdin> hmmm
[11:28] <bluevapour> no crash, just does nothing
[11:28] <bluevapour> NOpe
[11:28] <bluevapour> all worked 100% on windows
[11:28] <Networkgamer> hmm...
[11:29] <Networkgamer> try booting without a disk,then reboot,and try it
[11:29] <Networkgamer> get what im saying?
[11:29] <bluevapour> Yeah
[11:29] <bluevapour> But ive tried that loads
[11:29] <bluevapour> I really dont nderstand this
[11:29] <Networkgamer> hmm...
[11:30] <twosouls82> bluevapour: I've had that sometimes myself too.. strangely resetting the CMOS solved it for me (read the manual for it)
[11:30] <bluevapour> CMOS, by jumper or battery?
[11:30] <twosouls82> both
[11:30] <bluevapour> Hmm
[11:30] <bluevapour> Im not sure why that would help
[11:31] <bluevapour> HOw lon do i leave battery out?
[11:31] <twosouls82> me neither, but it did twice already (5-10 seconds on my board)
[11:31] <Networkgamer> well your getting dma time outt errors
[11:31] <bluevapour> Yeah
[11:31] <stdin> Networkgamer: that's why I said to try "sudo hdparm -d0 /dev/hdc"
[11:32] <stdin> (disables DMA)
[11:32] <twosouls82> I thought I read, no errors =)
[11:32] <bluevapour> :s
[11:32] <Networkgamer> therers errors at the bottom of his dmesg
[11:32] <bluevapour> yeah
[11:33] <Networkgamer> would this matter?
[11:33] <Networkgamer>  hda-intel: Invalid position buffer, using LPIB read method instea
[11:33] <twosouls82> s/scrimms/scimms/
[11:34] <bluevapour> ~This is a big problem, i reported it last time
[11:35] <bluevapour> There wasnt a fix
[11:35] <twosouls82> bluevapour: try to boot using this: ide=nodma (ref= http://linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/livecd/2005-July/000834.html)
[11:35] <Networkgamer> well im gonna go sleep
[11:35] <bluevapour> Oki doki
[11:35] <Networkgamer> my @$$ is tired
[11:36] <twosouls82> Networkgamer: nighty night
[11:36] <Networkgamer> good night
[11:36] <bluevapour> where would i put that tho
[11:36] <bluevapour> I dont use live cd
[11:36] <twosouls82> bluevapour: at the boot options of grub
[11:37] <twosouls82> bluevapour: when you start your box you will see grub.. you'll get the change to insert boot options there; easy enough
[11:37] <bluevapour> Oki doki
[11:37] <bluevapour> ide-nodma? woudnt it be hdc-nodma?
[11:37] <stdin> bluevapour: no
[11:38] <twosouls82> bluevapour: nope
[11:38] <twosouls82> bluevapour: ide=nodma not ide-nodma
[11:38] <bluevapour> oki doki
[11:38] <bluevapour> ill try that now
[11:38] <stdin> bluevapour: when you boot do you see the grub menu?
[11:38] <bluevapour> no
[11:38] <bluevapour> but i see grub
[11:38] <bluevapour> jus tno menu
[11:39] <twosouls82> press ESC to get the menu
[11:39] <twosouls82> or is that a no go?
[11:39] <andy__> hi
[11:39] <stdin> bluevapour: ok, when see "loading grub" keep escape pressed, then you'll see it, then press "e" then move down to the kernel= line and press "e" again, then add "pci=nodma" then press enter then "b"
[11:40] <andy__> who wants to chat
[11:40] <twosouls82> stdin: nice.. I do it automagically.. I didn't know how to dictate +)
[11:41] <twosouls82> !offtopic | andy__
[11:41] <ubotu> andy__: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:41] <bluevapour> right
[11:41] <stdin> twosouls82: it's not the 1st time I've had to explain how to do it :p
[11:41] <bluevapour> oki doki
[11:41] <bluevapour> let me write that down
[11:41] <twosouls82> stdin: I copied it for dictation/quotation :)
[11:42] <twosouls82> v3 is out
[11:42] <twosouls82> I urge you to update
[11:42] <stdin> I know, not decided if I like it yet...
[11:42] <stdin> I need to read it
[11:45] <bluevapour> right
[11:45] <bluevapour> whats the command to mount cd drive
[11:45] <andy__> where is general topic channel
[11:45] <stdin> andy__: mount /media/cdrom0
[11:45] <twosouls82> andy__: #kubuntu-offtopic
[11:45] <twosouls82> hahaha stdin
[11:45] <stdin> bluevapour: I meant you mount /media/cdrom0
[11:46] <stdin> andy__: offtopic chatter in #kubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:46] <bluevapour> i dont think it worked
[11:46] <networkgamer> what would happen if i switched from a powerpc64 linux kernel to plain powerpc?
[11:46] <bluevapour> :S
[11:46] <bluevapour> hangs on mount command
[11:46] <bluevapour> it only stopped working after the update
[11:46] <twosouls82> bluevapour: what message?
[11:46] <networkgamer> cause i noticed i have linux-image-2.6.20-16-powerpc64-smp
[11:47] <stdin> networkgamer: you'l need to install a 32bit OS, not just the kernel
[11:47] <networkgamer> what if i switched to linux-image-2.6.20-16-powerpc?
[11:47] <bluevapour> none
[11:47] <networkgamer> so i couldnt just switch kernels
[11:47] <networkgamer> even on powerpc
[11:47] <stdin> networkgamer: no, because the 32bit kernel can't run 64bit apps
[11:47] <networkgamer> ok
[11:48] <twosouls82> bluevapour: Ctrl+C to abort the mount.. then a dmesg (again)
[11:48] <networkgamer> anyway to make it work?
[11:48] <stdin> networkgamer: no, you'd have to reinstall 32bit
[11:48] <networkgamer> ok
[11:48] <networkgamer> nvm then
[11:48] <bluevapour> same as last time
[11:48] <bluevapour> bottom half full of same errors
[11:49] <twosouls82> bluevapour: was the 'hangup' the same a before too?
[11:49] <bluevapour> yeah
[11:49] <bluevapour> nothing happens
[11:49] <twosouls82> 'good', next shot
[11:49] <bluevapour> Right, could it be a bios setting atall?
[11:50] <bluevapour> Well this is the thing, it WORKED 100% before update
[11:50] <bluevapour> should i reinstall and just not update?
[11:50] <bluevapour> Its a V.big pain
[11:51] <twosouls82> bluevapour: don't reinstall yet
[11:51] <twosouls82> bluevapour: try and conquer
[11:51] <bluevapour> Lol
[11:51] <bluevapour> ok
[11:51] <bluevapour> i tried for 5days last time
[11:51] <twosouls82> bluevapour: what does hdparm /dev/hdc say?
[11:53] <bluevapour> Must be software
[11:53] <bluevapour> sudo hwinfo --cd shows drive is detected
[11:53] <bluevapour> it hangs o=n that command twosouls
[11:54] <jere> moi
[11:54] <bluevapour> ALSO!!!!!! IT SAYS WHATS I THE DRIVE AND ITS CORRECT!
[11:54] <jere> latasin tnn kubuntun ubuntun rinnalle
[11:54] <bluevapour> whats the pastebin again?
[11:54] <bluevapour> !paste
[11:54] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:54] <twosouls82> bluevapour: bluevapour, and have made sure the drive does work... eg. by using another box to test it?
[11:54] <bluevapour> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33432/
[11:55] <bluevapour> Yeah, i used it in windows yesterday, before the "upgrade" to linux
[11:55] <twosouls82> bluevapour: so it is a laptop?
[11:55] <bluevapour> read that paste, it clearly says whats in the drive
[11:55] <bluevapour> no its not
[11:55] <bluevapour> lol
[11:55] <bluevapour> i wish i had a laptop with 4600+dual core
[11:55] <ksivaji> !vmware
[11:55] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[11:56] <bluevapour> also here soem more
[11:56] <bluevapour> bluevapour@main:~$ dmesg |grep CD
[11:56] <bluevapour> [    7.900000]  hdc: TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R1102, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
[11:56] <bluevapour> [    8.408000]  hdc: ATAPI 32X DVD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, DMA
[11:56] <bluevapour> [    8.408000]  Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20
[11:56] <Assid> damn..my katapult doesnt work anymore
[11:56] <bluevapour> if that helps
[11:56] <bluevapour> does that say its installed twice?
[11:56] <twosouls82> bluevapour: I have another idea
[11:56] <twosouls82> bluevapour: remember the step with the boot options?
[11:56] <Assid> anyone know what launches katapult?
[11:57] <bluevapour> yeah i do
[11:57] <twosouls82> bluevapour: redo that step and now add "noacpi pci=noapic" to it too
[11:57] <bluevapour> right
[11:57] <bluevapour> ive had an idea
[11:57] <bluevapour> maybe i dont have the permissions
[11:57] <twosouls82> bluevapour: so all three options
[11:57] <romana> hey, does nyone know how to configure konversation so that the nick list isnt alternate colours?
[11:57] <bluevapour> cause it says the disc is in i just cant mog
[11:57] <bluevapour> all three options twosouls
[11:57] <bluevapour> ?
[11:57] <twosouls82> bluevapour: yeppers
[11:57] <romana> i have black background, white text, but the list is in alternate white and black stripes
[11:57] <romana> hate it
[11:58] <twosouls82> romana: kcontrol -> appearance -> color scheme
[11:58] <romana> twosouls82: many thanks.
[11:58] <romana> gutsy is lovely, but this has bugged me:)
[11:58] <Assid> how do i know whats wrong with katapult.. it doesnt launch
[11:59] <Assid> romana: you finding gutsy stable yet?
[11:59] <bluevapour> right, so give me EVERYthing i need to put in two souls to save cofusionn
[11:59] <twosouls82> Assid: doesn't alt+space just work?
[11:59] <Assid> twosouls82:  not since the last 2 boots
[11:59] <stdin> romana: settings > behaviour > chat window (for konversation)
[11:59] <bluevapour> you sure i might just not have permission
[11:59] <twosouls82> bluevapour: oki: noacpi pci=noapic ide=nodma
[12:00] <romana> Assid: boringly so
[12:00] <twosouls82> bluevapour: you haven't verified the permissions on the /dev/hdc node yet?
[12:00] <romana> umm, there is no color scheme
[12:00] <romana> there is just colors, and n clear way to turn this off
[12:00] <twosouls82> Assid: killall -9 katapult && katapult
[12:00] <twosouls82> Assid: then retry
[12:01] <bluevapour> im not sure how to do that
[12:01] <Assid> nope
[12:01] <Assid> no process killed
[12:01] <twosouls82> romana: in the colors area you can set the alternate list color to white oslt
[12:01] <setkeh> gah i have all these linux distros installed on vmware but this is the only one that will connect to the net lol
[12:01] <stdin> romana: settings > behaviour > chat window lets you turn nick colors off
[12:01] <romana> ahh thanks
[12:01] <twosouls82> Assid: it isn't even running then: so "katapult" to launch it
[12:01] <bluevapour> What do i go to to chek permissions on /dev/hdc?
[12:01] <Assid> i did.. still doesnt work now
[12:02] <ksivaji> stdin hi
[12:02] <stdin> hi ksivaji
[12:02] <Assid> if i type run katapult again.. then i get the launcher.. but alt space doesnt do it
[12:02] <setkeh> stdin: heya mate how goes it
[12:02] <twosouls82> bluevapour: ls -l /dev/hd* ( see if they match)
[12:03] <romana> brb
[12:03] <stdin> setkeh: starting to feel a bit sleepy now (only been up 26 hours)
[12:03] <twosouls82> Assid: then you might need another key combo.. I give up
[12:03] <Assid> it used to work
[12:03] <Assid> till last night it did
[12:04] <bluevapour> n error occurred while enabling /media/cdrom0.
[12:04] <bluevapour> The system reported: mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only
[12:04] <bluevapour> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,
[12:04] <bluevapour> what about that
[12:04] <bluevapour> thats when im in disk and filesystems
[12:04] <bluevapour> trying to enable it
[12:04] <stdin> Assid: does "pidof katapult" show anything ?
[12:04] <twosouls82> bluevapour: that makes sence.. what cd is writable?
[12:04] <Assid> yep.. i get the pid
[12:04] <bluevapour> brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 2007-08-12 10:43 /dev/hdc
[12:04] <Assid> if i kill and restart katapult.. i get the notification ALT SPACE will launch it
[12:04] <stdin> Assid: so it is running
[12:04] <bluevapour> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,? isnt that an error?
[12:05] <Assid> stdin: isnt capturing alt space
[12:05] <bluevapour> Return code from mount was 32.
[12:05] <bluevapour> "mount failure"
[12:05] <romana> ok, thx all
[12:05] <stdin> Assid: are you running beryl/compiz ?
[12:05] <Assid> yes
[12:05] <twosouls82> bluevapour: the permissions are fine
[12:05] <stdin> Assid: that's probably why then
[12:06] <bluevapour> Oki
[12:06] <Assid> but i had compiz running yday as well
[12:06] <bluevapour> What now then two sould, that boot?
[12:06] <Assid> worked fine till last night
[12:06] <twosouls82> bluevapour: sudo mount -f auto -o iso9660,ro /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0
[12:06] <bluevapour> ok
[12:06] <twosouls82> try that one
[12:06] <stdin> Assid: other than that, I have no clue, try disabling compiz and see if it works, then you'll know if it's compiz or not
[12:07] <bluevapour> that didnt work
[12:07] <bluevapour> just said about usage etc
[12:07] <stdin> bluevapour: it should be "sudo mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0"
[12:07] <twosouls82> bluevapour: sorry, a typo, my bad: sudo mount -t auto -o iso9660,ro /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0
[12:08] <bluevapour> right
[12:08] <bluevapour> that ran
[12:08] <bluevapour> no output tho
[12:08] <stdin> twosouls82: iso9660 isn't a mount option...
[12:08] <bAndie91> hi everies!
[12:08] <bluevapour> YAYAYAYAY THAT WORKED!
[12:08] <bluevapour> That the fix then
[12:08] <twosouls82> stdin: you seem pretty awake to me
[12:08] <bluevapour> sudo mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 to mount?
[12:08] <twosouls82> bluevapour: that one indeed
[12:08] <bluevapour> so i just use that in future :D
[12:09] <bluevapour> so i just use that in future :DAwosme
[12:09] <twosouls82> I am getting tired too
[12:09] <bluevapour> ltos of love :d
[12:09] <twosouls82> bluevapour: shall we make it automagically?
[12:09] <stdin> twosouls82: heh, if I can build a PC while drunk, I can work mount while tired :p
[12:09] <bAndie91> iv got some problems
[12:09] <stdin> bAndie91: ask away
[12:09] <bluevapour> How?
[12:09] <Karti> Hi, sorry I got cut off, could anyone tell me how to get from a broken system my calendar details from Kontact as I can't export the details. I have everything else. Any ideas are greatly appreciated. Thanks
[12:09] <bluevapour> I would like automatically yes :D
[12:09] <bAndie91> vlock and xlock dont accept the passes!
[12:09] <twosouls82> s/thing/things/
[12:10] <twosouls82> bluevapour: cat /etc/fstab | grep /dev/hdc
[12:10] <twosouls82> give us the result please
[12:10] <bluevapour> also
[12:10] <bluevapour> i need to use
[12:10] <stdin> Karti: all your KDE settings are in ~/.kde you can just copy that
[12:11] <bluevapour> sudo apt-get install libstdc++5, and it reads from cdrom not cdrom 0?
[12:11] <bluevapour> how do i fix that
[12:11] <twosouls82> bluevapour: first things first ;)
[12:11] <bAndie91> but im typing the right pass
[12:11] <bluevapour> Ive done that now
[12:11] <bluevapour> This is the main reason i needed it
[12:11] <stdin> bluevapour: /media/cdrom is a link to /media/cdrom0
[12:11] <Karti> stdin: I didn't want to copy it all across as I have a new image, I have backups of everything else its only the calendar I really need
[12:11] <bluevapour> Now, i am sooooooooo greatful :D
[12:11] <bluevapour> doesnt work tho
[12:12] <bluevapour> it says about using extra space, then says that i havent inserted the kubuntu i386 disc
[12:12] <bluevapour> when its in there
[12:12] <twosouls82> stdin: nope, it is a link to hdc
[12:12] <Karti> stdin: thought it might be in a similar vein to kmailrc
[12:13] <bluevapour> so it SHOULDNT be a problem? :S
[12:13] <stdin> Karti: I don't use kontack, so I can't say, mabe ask in 'kde
[12:13] <Karti> stdin: many thanks
[12:14] <trekdanne> how can I get ride of that "Email" option in konqueror, apparently it isn't a service menu ...
[12:14] <bluevapour> it keeps saying insert, but i have
[12:14] <bluevapour> and its mounted
[12:14] <twosouls82> bluevapour: try "sudo apt-cdrom add"
[12:14] <bluevapour> btw, the folder stays as cdrom0 doesnt change to disk name in folder
[12:15] <bluevapour> now
[12:15] <bluevapour> i instert disc
[12:16] <bluevapour> it shows
[12:16] <bluevapour> working n stuff
[12:16] <bluevapour> name even changes
[12:16] <bluevapour> but it says insert that disc still :s
[12:16] <stdin> try "sudo apt-get update"
[12:16] <twosouls82> :)
[12:19] <twosouls82> bluevapour: any luck after the "sudo apt-get update"?
[12:19] <bluevapour> Trying no
[12:19] <bluevapour> w
[12:19] <bluevapour> dont think so though
[12:20] <twosouls82> bluevapour: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep cdrom
[12:20] <bluevapour> sucess :D
[12:20] <bluevapour> worked that time :D
[12:20] <twosouls82> bluevapour: tataa
[12:20] <bluevapour> brb
[12:23] <frojnd> how can I check what distro I use in command line ?
[12:23] <twosouls82> frojnd: cat /etc/issue
[12:23] <stdin> !version | frojnd
[12:23] <ubotu> frojnd: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[12:23] <twosouls82> for ubuntu's version
[12:24] <frojnd> stdin: NO! I don't even know if it's debian... I have server
[12:24] <twosouls82> stdin: that one is nice.. and cross distro (?).. nice for programming
[12:24] <frojnd> ClarkConnect Home Edition release 3.0 Kernel \r on an \m
[12:24] <frojnd> twosouls82
[12:25] <stdin> frojnd: try that command, it may work
[12:25] <stdin> twosouls82: yeah, it's from the lsb (linux standard base)
[12:26] <stdin> should work on any linux
[12:26] <twosouls82> as long as they follow lsb, that is
[12:26] <twosouls82> good to know
[12:26] <stdin> most (if not all) should
[12:26] <stdin> by now anyway
[12:26] <frojnd> -bash: lsb_release: command not found  stdin
[12:27] <stdin> frojnd: then it's probably not even debian
[12:27] <frojnd> Linux version 2.6.9-10.cc<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(gcc version 3.3.3 20040412 (Red Hat Linux 3.3.3-7)) #1 Sun Mar 6 11:02:57 EST 2005
[12:27] <twosouls82> frojnd: so your previous post was the result from cat /etc/issue?
[12:27] <frojnd> cat /proc/version
[12:27] <twosouls82> a
[12:27] <frojnd> it's readhat
[12:28] <twosouls82> frojnd: that's a distro I never heard of before.. reading their site now
[12:30] <setkeh> does linux have a cache for internet files ????
[12:31] <boris_> i think it automaticaly deletes it
[12:33] <setkeh> boris_:  thanks mate :D cuz i dident want it to lagg like windows does when it cashe fills lol
[12:33] <boris_> setkeh : im not too happy with it
[12:34] <boris_> it sure doesnt lag but
[12:34] <boris_> sometimes whole net in my country stops
[12:34] <boris_> and when this happened yesterday i was just doenloading fedora
[12:34] <boris_> it downloaded 550 of 686 mb
[12:34] <boris_> :(
[12:34] <boris_> and i couldnt continue it
[12:35] <boris_> downloading*
[12:35] <stdin> that's why I use wget, then you can do wget -c
[12:35] <boris_> im going niw
[12:35] <boris_> oh
[12:35] <boris_> well
[12:35] <boris_> i got gnome
[12:36] <boris_> im leavin now bye
[12:36] <Assid> arent there any X based download managers?
[12:36] <Assid> similar to the likes of getright ?
[12:36] <setkeh> boris_: not happy with what mate ?????
[12:37] <stdin> sounds like a disease saying "I got gnome"
[12:37] <twosouls82> \o/
[12:40] <boris_> setkeh forget it
[12:40] <trekdanne> hmm is the "Email file" context menu hard coded into konqueror 0_o
[12:40] <boris_> stdin sounds like a disease ?????
[12:40] <boris_> whats wrong with gnome ?
[12:41] <boris_> I DID use KDE
[12:42] <Assid> is there a way to mass convert maildir to mbox?
[12:47] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[12:48] <twosouls82> hi MilhousePunkRock
[12:48] <MilhousePunkRock> Does someone know how I would implement this ( http://mediatomb.cc/pages/documentation#id3074067 ) to my /etc/network/interfaces so that the changes are permanent? man interfaces does not mention any of that...
[12:48] <bluevapour> Anyone know any other good free games? apart from AA and Tcelite?
[12:51] <stdin> MilhousePunkRock: you can either put a script in /etc/network/if-up.d/ or use the "post-up" option in /etc/network/interfaces
[12:52] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: Alright, I just write those two lines as post-up into the interfaces?
[12:52] <stdin> MilhousePunkRock: yeah, or make a script with those lines in and call the script from post-up
[12:53] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: I know nothing about scripting, so I'd rather add them directly, to keep it simple. OTOH this would be the chance to learn about scripting. It's just a text file that gets executed, basically, right?
[12:54] <stdin> MilhousePunkRock: yeah, just put those two lines in a file and make it executable and you're set
[12:55] <twosouls82> MilhousePunkRock: for later: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html as an intro into bash programming
[12:58] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: How do I call it from post-up? just post-up multicast (that's how I called the "script")
[01:00] <stdin> MilhousePunkRock: unless you put the script in the default path (like /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin etc) you'll have to give the full path to the file
[01:01] <sweettooth> hi there, i have a pc running xp (ntfs) and crashed, so i wanted to grab the data from it when i can, i put in the feisty live dvd, but it didn't detect the drive, what can i do?
[01:02] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: OK, with path then... Wasn't a smart idea to "ifconfig eth0 down" on a "remote" machine I am ssh'ed into though... ;)
[01:02] <stdin> heh
[01:02] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: Now I have to walk to the other room and reboot it...
[01:02] <stdin> sweettooth: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions for help with that
[01:03] <stdin> MilhousePunkRock: just restart networking
[01:03] <sweettooth> stdin, thank you, i will have a go at it
[01:04] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: No in- or output devices, ssh is the only way to reach it...  :D
[01:07] <stdin> good :)
[01:10] <sonoftheclayr> hi guys, i'm having problems with my belkin wireless router. whenever i ping it i get "destination host unreachable". i can't access the web interface and it isn't forwarding ports but other than those few problems it's fine. any help?
[01:11] <Lynoure> Is there any music player for Kubuntu that can speed up the track while keeping the pitch the same?
[01:13] <Tm_T> Lynoure: noatun? (not sure)
[01:15] <ksivaji> is there any command to check cpu temperature ?
[01:15] <sauvin> Does anybody know of an OSX (Macintosh) support channel on this net?
[01:16] <trekdanne> ksivaji: acpi -t ??
[01:17] <ksivaji> No support for device type: thermal
[01:17] <bluevapour> Guys, with Amorak, it tells me no mp3 support/
[01:17] <MilhousePunkRock> sauvin: ##osx maybe?
[01:17] <bluevapour> whats that all about
[01:18] <sonoftheclayr> bluevapour: you have to download mp3 support
[01:18] <MilhousePunkRock> !multimedia
[01:18] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.04 installs multimedia codecs automatically. For older versions of Ubuntu, or if you can't use the automatic installer, see https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - For multimedia applications, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[01:18] <bluevapour> Ok
[01:18] <bluevapour> Wheres the automatic installer sonoftheclayr?
[01:18] <MilhousePunkRock> How can I echo more than one line at once to a file?
[01:19] <sauvin> MilhousePunkRock, thanks.
[01:19] <trekdanne> you need multiverse in /etc/apt/sources.list to make the automatic mp3-codec download to work
[01:19] <bluevapour> where can i downllad the mp3 support for the latest version of ubuntu
[01:20] <trekdanne> easiest way is to run "sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs" in a console i suppose
[01:20] <trekdanne> but you can do i with adept too ofc
[01:21] <trekdanne> MillhousePunkRock: echo -e "line 1\nline2\nline3"
[01:23] <bluevapour> Thanks Trekdanne
[01:23] <bluevapour> Worked like a treat
[01:23] <trekdanne> sonoftheclayr: can you access it from a different computer?
[01:23] <trekdanne> bluevapour: :)
[01:32] <sonoftheclayr> trekdanne: don't know, i'll see if i can kick someone off but i think it might be off, it's no big problem. I;m just not getting a good speed on torrents
[01:34] <trekdanne> sonoftheclayr: hmm yea otherwise it could be something with your firewall on your kubuntu machine
[01:35] <sonoftheclayr> trekdanne: i could access it fine yesterday and it was working perfectly until it was unplugged by my brother about 8 hours ago
[01:35] <toby> If I take my hard disk out of my Kubuntu machine and mount it as a slave on another system (Kubuntu, XP, whatever) will I be able to browse all of the folders or will directorys such as /home/someOtherUser be locked to me?
[01:35] <toby> i.e. are the encrypted and unopenable even as a slave on another system?
[01:36] <trekdanne> sonoftheclayr: probably a hardware problem then ?
[01:36] <sonoftheclayr> trekdanne: i'm checking if i can access it from the computer that is connected to it with a cable
[01:37] <trekdanne> toby: no if you don't explicit encrypt your drive, you should be able to do what you say
[01:38] <toby> trekdanne: That's good news, thanks. I'm planning on upgrading my Mobo and HD today and, instead of backing up my current /home, I'll just put the disk to one side and mount it on my new system to copy across.
[01:39] <trekdanne> toby: that should work yes, in fact I have done it a few times myself
[01:39] <sonoftheclayr> well i could access it fromt that computer and i set up the port forwading again because it was gone for some reason
[01:41] <sonoftheclayr> I still can't access it from my laptop, I'll look into it tomorrow, but I'm not get a NAT error anymore, thanks for your help trekdanne
[01:41] <trekdanne> sonoftheclayr: strange... are you sure the admin interface works through the wireless
[01:41] <trekdanne> network
[01:41] <trekdanne> per default, maybe there's an option "enable wireless adminstration"
[01:42] <bo> does anyone know a webpage about webcams which are well supported by linux?
[01:42] <trekdanne> !webcam
[01:42] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[01:42] <bo> thank you :)
[01:42] <trekdanne> :)
[01:42] <sonoftheclayr> trekdanne: Yes it works, I was in there messing about yesterday
[01:45] <trekdanne> sonoftheclayr: hmm ok. those "home routers" can be really bichty
[01:46] <sonoftheclayr> trekdanne: Yeah, hopefully it will decide to work tomorrow, it isn't the first time this has happened and it resolved itself last time (I think)
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> get a Lynksys WRT54GL :)
[01:47] <nosrednaekim> runs linux
[01:48] <sonoftheclayr> Anyway thanks for your help trekdanne I'm going to bed now. I have to get up early to go to school :(
[01:49] <trekdanne> sonoftheclayr: ah sweet dreams then :P
[01:49] <sonoftheclayr> trekdanne: Thanks, my dreams are usually weird though
[01:51] <jlinares> hola
[01:51] <jlinares> buenos dias amirgos..
[01:51] <nosrednaekim> hello
[01:52] <jlinares> espaol??
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> Buenos dias
[01:52] <pag> !es
[01:52] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:52] <jlinares> buenos dias..
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> este no esta la channel apa espanol
[01:52] <jlinares> ok vale..
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> *para
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> anyone want a cheap laptop? http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=345668&pfp=aug12
[02:06] <mikes1> I started compiz,how do i stop it?
[02:07] <mikes1> nosrednaekim: hello
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> Alt+f2 "kwin --replace"
[02:07] <mikes1> cheers
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> hello
[02:08] <mikes1> ps still no sound
[02:08] <mikes1> i am still working on sound
[02:09] <mikes1> its certainly not only me having probs
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> mikes1: oh hi! didn't recognize your nick
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> mikes1: hmm, ok.
[02:10] <mikes1> nosrednaekim: :( I had to change it
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> did you load gutsy?
[02:10] <mikes1> Another mike on freenode
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> ah.
[02:10] <mikes1> no slow d/load and i read gutsy has the same problem
[02:11] <mikes1> nosrednaekim: But is will be fixed
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> mikes1: indeed it will, eventually.
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> nothing like a hard introduction to linux :)
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> mikes1: was compiz cool though?
[02:12] <mikes1> yes but could not get the cube working like beryl
[02:13] <mikes1> This is another fresh install of kubuntu
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> mikes1: ctrl+alt+arrow keys
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> mikes1: hmm if its fresh, maybe we chould have a nother go at wireless
[02:13] <mikes1> yes
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> mikes1: go get ndiswrapper and that last driver I gave you.
[02:14] <mikes1> ok
[02:14] <mikes1> 1min
[02:18] <mikes1> ok ndiswrapper installed
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> and that driver from the acer site? do you still have that?
[02:18] <mikes1> i have the .inf file yes
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> mikes1: oh, and I assume this came with Vista on it?
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> is that correct?
[02:19] <mikes1> yes
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> ok, now, blacklist the atheros driver... remember how to do that?
[02:20] <mikes1> hmmm no
[02:20] <mikes1> but close
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> "kdesu kate /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist" and add this line to the end "blacklist ath_pci"
[02:21] <CPrompt^> hi.  would someone care to help with a dual boot question?  I have 2 SATA drives.  One linux, one windows.  I've edited the menu.lst but when booting into windows I get an error
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> CPrompt^: is it windows Vista?
[02:22] <CPrompt^> XP
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> CPrompt^: ok, and what is the erro?
[02:23] <mikes1> nosrednaekim: ok done
[02:23] <CPrompt^> norednaekin : i had it working but linux crashed hard durning a dist-upgrade and had to reload
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> mikes1: ok, reboot.
[02:23] <mikes1> ok
[02:23] <CPrompt^> norednaekin : says bad string
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> CPrompt^: ah... dist-upgrades..
[02:23] <CPrompt^> oh yeah :)
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> CPrompt^: what is the error windows gives you?
[02:24] <CPrompt^> when grub comes up and i choose Windows, it just says it's a bad string.  I can reboot and come back to tell you 100% the exact error
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> CPrompt^: nah.... but please pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:25] <Mikes1> ok nosrednaekim
[02:25] <Mikes1> :)
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: now techincally you didn't have to reboot there, but that just makes it easier
[02:25] <Mikes1> ok
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: ok, go to where that .inf is.
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> (make sure its not that old one that you tried before!!)
[02:26] <Mikes1> Ok silly Q but the last time I did it I had a ndiswrapper gui
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: really? well you really don't need it.
[02:26] <jeroenvrp> how to disable opengl?
[02:27] <Mikes1> nosrednaekim: Is that possible
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: its easier from the command line IMO
[02:27] <CPrompt^> nosrednaekim : http://pastebin.com/m714f5780
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: doing it from the command line? sure!
[02:27] <Mikes1> commandline is new to me ,how do i navigate there?
[02:28] <CPrompt^> nosrednaekim : hmm...you know what, I think I have the mapping wrong on that.
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> I don't even have any "map" lines in mine
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: you do "cd <directory name>" to moove to a directory, and "cd .." to go to the directory above that one"
[02:30] <CPrompt^> well, i did that because windows freaks out when it's not the main OS so it's supposed to trick it into thinking it's the primary drive.
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> "ls" lists the files and folders in that directory
[02:30] <CPrompt^> nosrednaekim : do you dual boot with 2 drives?
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> CPrompt^: ah... no I do not
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> this is one drive., but I have dual booted with two drives and I never saw that "map" line
[02:31] <CPrompt^> ah.  I'm going to try switching it and see if it works.
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: to complete any folder or file name, just type the first couple letters and hit "tab"
[02:33] <Mikes1> nosrednaekim: it is in home/mike
[02:33] <Mikes1> How exactly do I navigate there
[02:35] <Mikes1> cd /home/mike,,ok got that far hell
[02:37] <Mikes1> nosrednaekim: ok I am in that directory
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> ok,now run "sudo ndiswrapper -i 5211.inf"
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: did that>
[02:41] <Mikes1> No such file or directory ,,its me
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: do an ls
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> on that directory
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> and look for the .inf file
[02:43] <Mikes1> ok can see it
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> what i its name?
[02:43] <Mikes1> net5211.inf
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> ah, right...so run "sudo ndiswrapper -i net5211.inf"
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: did that give you any output?
[02:45] <Mikes1> ok A big read out,,but saying it may be inconplete?
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: how long?
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> pastebin the output if you would..
[02:46] <CPrompt^> hi nosrednaekim : seems that the error is "Error 11 : Unrecognized Device String"
[02:47] <CPrompt^> in device.map, GRUB doesn't see my second hard drive.
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> CPrompt^: hmm
[02:47] <Mikes1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[02:48] <CPrompt^> not sure what I need to do to get it to see it now though.
[02:48] <CPrompt^> mount it?
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: no, I need YOUR paste..
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> CPrompt^: lemme look at your paste again..
[02:48] <Mikes1> -==S 1MIN
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> CPrompt^: according to that file, your windows is on the same drive as linux!
[02:50] <CPrompt^> yeah, and i changed it and it still didn't work.  How can I tell what my Windows drive should be?  hd0, hd1?  sda? sdb?
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> CPrompt^: CPrompt^well, does linux boot?
[02:50] <CPrompt^> nosrednaekim : sure does
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> if it does, windows will be on hd1,0
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> ok, then get rid of those map lines, and change the hd to hd1,0
[02:53] <CPrompt^> nosrednaekim : changed, going to reboot and check it out
[02:53] <Mikes1> nosrednaekim: paste link please
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> and i'm not sure what the difference between "rootnoverify" and "root" is, But I have root, so change that too.
[02:54] <Mikes1> installation may be incomplete
[02:54] <Mikes1> forcing parameter MapRegisters from 256 to 64
[02:54] <Mikes1> forcing parameter MapRegisters from 256 to 64
[02:54] <Mikes1> couldn't find "ar5211.sys" in "."; make sure all driver files, including .inf, .sys (and .bin, if any) are in "." -
[02:54] <Mikes1> part of it ,,just repeats
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> hey sorry, did one of you say something.... it disconnected me
[02:56] <Mikes1> forcing parameter MapRegisters from 256 to 64
[02:56] <Mikes1> [00:54]  <Mikes1> couldn't find "ar5211.sys" in "."; make sure all driver files, including .inf, .sys (and .bin, if any) are in "." -
[02:57] <Mikes1> .sys?
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: ah... you need the other files as well... do you have them?
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> they should have been in the original .zip
[02:57] <Mikes1> ok 1min
[02:57] <_aaa> what do you type to register a nick?
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> !register
[02:58] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[03:01] <Mikes1> nosrednaekim: ok got it
[03:01] <Mikes1> them both
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: both?
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> oh... .sys
[03:02] <Mikes1> inf,,sys
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: ok, go to that directory and run that command again
[03:04] <Mikes1> sudo ndiswrapper -i net5211.inf is already installed
[03:04] <Mikes1> nosrednaekim: sudo ndiswrapper -i net5211.inf is already installed
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: Dial up + IRC +downloading doesn't work very well ;)
[03:05] <Mikes1> lol
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: ok, run "ndiswrapper -l"
[03:05] <Mikes1> net5211 : invalid driver!
[03:05] <Mikes1> hmmm
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> hmmm
[03:06] <Mikes1> it needed .sys as well?
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> ok, run "sudo ndiswrapper -r net5211"
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: yes, it did.
[03:06] <Mikes1> ok done
[03:07] <Mikes1> no feedback
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: run "ndiswrapper -l" again.
[03:08] <Mikes1> nosrednaekim:
[03:08] <Mikes1> mike@mike-laptop:~$ ndiswrapper -l
[03:08] <Mikes1> 5211 : invalid driver!
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> ok, run "sudo ndiswrapper -r 5211"
[03:09] <Mikes1> ok done
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> ndiswrapper -l again
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> uparrow a couple times gets you commands that you have previously typed in BTW
[03:10] <Mikes1> nosrednaekim: ok gone :)
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> nothing there?
[03:11] <Mikes1> no
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> great!
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> now go to the directory where you have both the .inf and the .sys
[03:11] <Mikes1> mike@mike-laptop:~$  ls
[03:11] <Mikes1> ar5211.sys  nature_151.jpg  net5211.inf   xp32-<IP_ADDRESS>-whql.zip
[03:12] <Mikes1> yes there
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> ok, good.
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> now run "sudo ndiswrapper -i net5211.inf" again.. this should be in your command history
[03:14] <Mikes1> forcing parameter MapRegisters from 256 to 64
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> any out put?
[03:14] <Mikes1> forcing parameter MapRegisters from 256 to 64  nosrednaekim
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: thats all?
[03:17] <Mikes1> yes many lines the same
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> ok, thats fine!
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> now run "ndiswrapper -l"
[03:17] <Mikes1> no mention of .sys
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> great
[03:17] <aguitel> anyone know how install Mplayer -1.0 tar.bz2 ?
[03:17] <Mikes1> ike@mike-laptop:~$ ndiswrapper -l
[03:18] <Mikes1> net5211 : driver installed
[03:18] <Mikes1>         device (168C:001C) present (alternate driver: ath_pci)
[03:18] <Mikes1> net5211 : driver installed
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> ok! good... thats good!
[03:18] <Mikes1>         device (168C:001C) present (alternate driver: ath_pci)
[03:18] <Mikes1>  :
[03:18] <Mikes1> net5211 : driver installed
[03:18] <Mikes1>         device (168C:001C) present (alternate driver: ath_pci)
[03:18] <Mikes1>  :
[03:18] <Mikes1> !!!!
[03:18] <Mikes1> yes
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> now try "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper"
[03:19] <Mikes1> no feedback
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> that is almost always a good thing ;)
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: now run "iwconfig" there should be a device called "ath0" or "wlan0"
[03:19] <trekdanne> aguitel: you shouldn't have to build mplayer from sources. "sudo apt-get install mplayer"
[03:19] <Mikes1> Wow its up,,gkrellm!
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: so do you see such a device?
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> is it named ath0 or wlan0?
[03:21] <Mikes1> wlano
[03:21] <nosrednaekim> ok.
[03:21] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: do you have encryption on your router? if so, what kind?
[03:21] <Mikes1> ok will it start at boot?
[03:21] <Mikes1> none
[03:21] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: we'll get to that
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: ok, now lets try to connect (all from the command line)
[03:22] <Mikes1> wlan0     IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:"DLINK"
[03:22] <Mikes1>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.437 GHz  Access Point: 00:17:9A:12:06:1A
[03:22] <Mikes1>           Bit Rate=54 Mb/s
[03:22] <Mikes1>           Power Management:off
[03:22] <Mikes1>           Link Quality:100/100  Signal level:-17 dBm  Noise level:-96 dBm
[03:22] <Mikes1>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[03:22] <Mikes1>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: ah, ok... run ifconfig then!
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> youa re already accociated with an AP.
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> lets see if you have an IP address
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> run "ifconfig wlan0"
[03:23] <Mikes1> nosrednaekim:  connected=yes
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> (but don't paste the output)
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> you see something like this in ifconfig wlan0 "inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>" ?
[03:27] <dromer> does anyone know why jahplayer isn't in the repo's ?
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> Mikes1: hello?
[03:32] <trekdanne> !jahplayer
[03:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jahplayer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:33] <trekdanne> lol @ "jahplayer - serious tool for serious people"
[03:37] <runlevelten> Slightly odd colourations of religious reference to the name. Might be slightly offputting for some folks.
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> don't worry, they are only cubans... they can't nucke us or anything :)
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> *nuke
[03:40] <Mikesss1> nosrednaekim: ok back
[03:40] <zhaofei> hi
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> Mikesss1: us everything working?
[03:40] <Mikesss1> no
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> hey
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> Mikesss1: is wireless?
[03:40] <Mikesss1> no wifi on reboot
[03:40] <zhaofei>
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> Mikesss1: yeah, I forgot to tell you to do something
[03:41] <Mikesss1> oh
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> !ch | zhaofei
[03:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ch - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:41] <zhaofei> i'm chinese
[03:41] <zhaofei> nosrednaekim  ?
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> Mikesss1: do a "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" to get it back and then a "sudo ndiswrapper -m" to have it automatically start every boot
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> zhaofei: I could tell. do you have a problem?
[03:42] <zhaofei> yes,  phper  pythoner
[03:43] <zhaofei> what's wrong?
[03:44] <zhaofei> my english is no batter ? sorry~
[03:44] <Mikesss1> nosrednaekim: ok I will try it
[03:46] <nosrednaekim> !chinese | zhaofei
[03:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chinese - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:46] <zhaofei> yes i'm?
[03:46] <nosrednaekim> I was trying to find the chinese channel for you
[03:46] <nosrednaekim> I guess there isn't one
[03:46] <zhaofei> thanks
[03:47] <zhaofei> nosrednaekim where are you from ?
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> United States
[03:48] <runlevelten> !ch
[03:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ch - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:49] <runlevelten> Erm.... is anyone else getting an odd result for the factoids page?
[03:49] <zhaofei> ok  thanks
[03:50] <ClassFoo> zhaofei: why not try #ubuntu-cn,around 50s here
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> !cn
[03:50] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> ah! there we go!
[03:50] <zhaofei> thanks   i jiond
[03:51] <runlevelten> I get this http://www.binaries4all.nl/404/index.php instead of the factoid page :\
[03:55] <zhaofei> !cn
[03:55] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[03:55] <zhaofei> !cn
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> runlevelten: odd....
[03:58] <nosrednaekim> Mikesss1: did that bring your wireless back?
[03:59] <mikessss> nosrednaekim: many thanks
[04:00] <nosrednaekim> mikesssworks on reboot now?
[04:00] <mikessss> Is there a ndiswrapper step by step tutorial?
[04:00] <mikessss> works fine with a little tuning
[04:00] <nosrednaekim> !ndiswrapper
[04:00] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> "little tuning" like what tuning?
[04:02] <booya> i have a little problem...
[04:02] <booya> :(
[04:02] <trekdanne> booya: yes?
[04:02] <booya> any ideeas of how can i install WINE on my Kubuntu machine?
[04:03] <gemidjy> yes
[04:03] <booya> some help will be apreciated :)
[04:03] <aguitel> tray synaptic
[04:03] <trekdanne> booya: in a console enter "sudo apt-get install wine"
[04:03] <gemidjy> System settings -> Advanced -> Windows Applications
[04:03] <booya> hold on trekdanne
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> mikessss: what kinda of tuning?
[04:04] <trekdanne> booya: gemidjy's way is probably easier though
[04:04] <booya> and where is that system settings ?
[04:04] <Daisuke_Ido> gemidy's way doesn't exist if wine isn't installed.
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: did the laptop come in yet ???
[04:04] <gemidjy> Daisuke_Ido: not true
[04:05] <booya> i made it in your way trekdanne
[04:05] <booya> now ... i have to wait ?
[04:05] <gemidjy> it will install it automatically
[04:05] <booya> Wine is preparing...
[04:06] <booya> my name and username apeared with that :~$
[04:06] <booya> i still have to wait? :)
[04:06] <trekdanne> booya: no it's done
[04:06] <booya> thats all ?
[04:06] <booya> :D
[04:07] <nosrednaekim> booya: now the hard part begins.... installing windows programs
[04:07] <booya> wow
[04:07] <booya> i have to do that also ?
[04:07] <trekdanne> you probably still have to config wine for the specific application tho
[04:07] <booya> :S
[04:07] <booya> i have mIRC installed on another partition :)
[04:07] <booya> i can run it ?
[04:07] <mikessss> nosrednaekim: in kde control panel I need to disable etho and restart wlano
[04:07] <mikessss> no problem
[04:07] <trekdanne> booya: IIRC it should work out of the box
[04:08] <ubuntu_> s
[04:08] <booya> trekdanne:  out of the box?
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> mikessss: everytime you restart? is your ethernet plugged in?
[04:08] <booya> can you be more precise ?
[04:08] <booya> :D
[04:08] <trekdanne> booya: no wine config tweaking required
[04:08] <mikessss> no
[04:08] <runlevelten> navigate to it and open the .exe file with wine
[04:08] <booya> uhm... this means ...
[04:08] <booya> ?
[04:08] <booya> :D