[05:34] <bullgard4> What is meant by 'platform device'? Example 1: (Wikipedia) "Linux distributions including Debian GNU/Linux, MontaVista Linux, openSUSE, Yellow Dog Linux, Gentoo Linux and Crux PPC are also available for the Pegasos. Support for the Pegasos as a platform device has been integrated into the Linux kernel mainline as of kernel version 2.6.13. --  Example 2: (Device Manager) "Platform device (pcspkr)".
[07:07] <twinhelix> Hi all. I'm running a laptop that has some suspend issues with the 2.6.22 kernel; a backported fix from 2.6.23 on Launchpad doesn't seem to have been accepted for Gutsy yet. Is there still time to get patches in before the final release, or do I have to look at compiling my own kernel post-release? Thanks!
[07:11] <twinhelix> FWIW: The patch and discussion is at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/139045
[07:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139045 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Slow suspend on various Toshiba laptops" [Medium,Confirmed]
[08:51] <Mithrandir> twinhelix: too late.
[09:13] <twinhelix> Mithrandir: Thanks for your answer. A related followup then: Is it easily possible to compile the 2.6.22 source with the requisite patch (a one-byte alteration in a struct), make a new bzImage, and retain ABI compatibility with linux-restricted-modules, nvidia-glx-new, etc etc.?
[09:14] <Mithrandir> yes, read the wiki link in the topic
[01:41] <bullgard4> What is the function of the directory /sys/devices/platform?
[01:41] <mjg59> bullgard4: This isn't the place to ask
[03:37] <Lutin> hi there
[04:50] <Chorus> is there any solution in sight for Bug #146924?
[04:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146924 in linux-source-2.6.22 ""Time went backwards" + freeze for domU's with kernel 2.6.22-xen" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/146924
[09:57] <pina> who is awake


[02:08] <nahuel_> hi, i need the direccion of the spanish chanel please, thanks
[02:08] <nahuel_> #ubuntu-mate
[02:09] <nahuel_> ....
[04:20] <potatozilla> hi all
[04:20] <potatozilla> i've a problem there
[04:21] <potatozilla> everytime pop up a window asking for my password
[04:22] <potatozilla> how to disable it?
[04:23] <SonikkuAmerica> Don't use a password?
[04:23] <SonikkuAmerica> What do you mean?
[04:23] <potatozilla> i use
[04:26] <potatozilla> i think this is seahorse , how to disable it?
[04:26] <potatozilla> pop up evrytime it's is annoyning
[04:26] <potatozilla> anyone have this same problem?
[04:27] <SonikkuAmerica> Ohhhhh
[04:27] <SonikkuAmerica> so the keyring needs unlocking
[04:27] <potatozilla> i not want use this
[04:27] <potatozilla> is outdated
[04:27] <potatozilla> insecurity
[04:28] <potatozilla> how to disable it?
[04:28] <SonikkuAmerica> Outdated? Insecure? Not even close!
[04:29] <SonikkuAmerica> Who told you it was?
[04:29] <potatozilla> https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Seahorse
[04:29] <potatozilla> 2014 this is not development anymore
[04:30] <potatozilla> i just want disable it or uninstall
[04:30] <SonikkuAmerica> whaaaaat?
[04:30] <SonikkuAmerica> It's in development; I use GNOME 3.20 for day-to-day computing
[04:30] <potatozilla> but this version in mate not
[04:31] <SonikkuAmerica> potatozilla: That's because this is Ubuntu MATE, and it's not going to be because of feature freezes. But GNOME's password manager is used by every Ubuntu flavour except Kubuntu (which uses kdewallet)
[04:31] <SonikkuAmerica> *it's not going to be the latest version
[04:31] <potatozilla> this not pop up before to me,why it's show everytime now
[04:32] <SonikkuAmerica> potatozilla: Does it say that "The login keyring did not get unlocked when you logged into your computer"?
[04:33] <potatozilla> not . it's only ask for password
[04:33] <SonikkuAmerica> Did you type the password you use to log in?
[04:34] <potatozilla> yes
[04:34] <SonikkuAmerica> and it didn't work?
[04:35] <potatozilla> but when pop up say that any software ask for password .but i not open anything , this scary me
[04:35] <SonikkuAmerica> potatozilla: Hmmm... You may get better help in #ubuntu for this, actually.
[04:36] <potatozilla> i watching yt videos pop up, i going to toilet i back pop up
[04:36] <potatozilla> anyone can report this to ubuntu mate developers or mate desktop project to fix that?
[04:38] <SonikkuAmerica> You could, but it may not be a bug.
[04:39] <potatozilla> it' s
[04:39] <SonikkuAmerica> [ ubuntu-bug seahorse ] in a terminal will get you what you need to report it.
[04:39] <potatozilla> the seahorse is storage my facebook,without asking
[04:39] <potatozilla> i get a print
[04:40] <potatozilla> here: https://i.imgur.com/yFDgL7X.png
[04:41] <potatozilla> please i not want use this ,i not want storage my passwords
[04:42] <SonikkuAmerica> potatozilla: You can toss it with [ sudo apt remove seahorse ]
[04:43] <potatozilla> i cant this will broken my system
[04:43] <potatozilla> because depedencies
[04:43] <SonikkuAmerica> which ones?
[04:44] <potatozilla> anyone have this problem in mate, know how help ,please
[04:44] <potatozilla> ubuntu mate core system, ubuntu mate- full desktop
[04:44] <potatozilla> you guys not use mate??
[04:47] <potatozilla> anyone know where the directory of seahorse are installed , i'll delete this as root, this pop up is annoying, and stored my facebook password without ask me
[04:49] <nomic> z.z.z.
[04:49] <potatozilla> if nobody can't help me there then i join other channel chat , maybe the mate official
[06:21] <potatozilla> hi guys , nobody can help me in other channels
[06:22] <ouroumov_> hi potatozilla
[06:22] <ouroumov_> potatozilla, what's your issue?
[06:22] <potatozilla> i've problems with seahorse, i losting the hopes :(
[06:23] <potatozilla> https://i.imgur.com/yFDgL7X.png
[06:23] <potatozilla> seahorse has stored my facebook password without ask me
[06:23] <ouroumov_> hm
[06:24] <ouroumov_> Can you manually remove it from seahorse?
[06:24] <potatozilla> and this trigger pop up everytime asking password to keyring
[06:24] <potatozilla> the problem are the dependencies
[06:25] <ouroumov_> What dependencies?
[06:25] <potatozilla> if show me where the seahorse are installed i can remove manually with root commands
[06:26] <ouroumov_> Maybe you can access seahorse settings somewhere and only remove this particular password from storage instead of removing seahorse? Less violent?
[06:26] <potatozilla> ubuntu-mate-core, ubuntu-mate-desktop dependecies
[06:27] <potatozilla> but 'll still pop up  and wahta garanties 'll give that not storage facebook password again
[06:28] <ouroumov_> I didn't undestand that last one
[06:28] <ouroumov_> And I'm on a shitty bus wifi I'm probably gonna be disconnected
[06:28] <potatozilla> i'll be very happy and gratefull if i remove that
[06:28] <ouroumov_> What do you have under "Password & Keys" settings?
[06:30] <potatozilla> https://i.imgur.com/1BFklZa.png
[06:31] <potatozilla> i don't know how was stored the facebook password
[06:31] <potatozilla> no asked
[06:32] <potatozilla> and each 1 minute ask to password of keyring
[06:32] <potatozilla> any way to find the seahorse instalation directories?
[06:34] <potatozilla> seahorse looks aoutdated and insecure https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Seahorse ,please help me remove that
[06:37] <potatozilla> why this storage the passwords without asking
[06:39] <potatozilla> i've tried #mate ##linux #ubuntu, but everybody ignore me, say that can't help or say nothing about
[06:40] <potatozilla> I would be eternally grateful if someone help me
[06:44] <potatozilla> :(
[06:46] <ouroumov_> back
[06:46] <ouroumov_> potatozilla, what's with the sour face? =)
[06:48] <potatozilla> i want disable keyring seahorse or know the installation directories and files to remove as root
 (btw if you really want to remove it, know that according to the forum those -core and -desktop packages are meta-packages and should be safe to remove
[06:50] <potatozilla> i 'm afraid to remove it and not boot anymore and if broken my system. i not tested yet
[06:51] <potatozilla> is secure remove -core ,-desktop packages?
[06:54] <ouroumov_> yes potatozilla it is secure
[06:55] <potatozilla> ok i'll do
[06:55] <ouroumov_> but
[06:55] <ouroumov_> As I was saying, removing seahorse is a little bit violent
[06:56] <ouroumov_> I'd recommend you go to 'Password & Keys' settings and try to fix your problem there
[06:57] <potatozilla> :D i found
[06:58] <potatozilla> the synaptic show the directories of seahorse
[07:00] <potatozilla> https://i.imgur.com/3B2BrOY.png
[07:01] <potatozilla> i'll try remove manually the specifics directories of seahorse and keyring if this not solve i'll unistall seahorse andyours  dependecies
[07:03] <potatozilla> wich comman to remove recursive?
[07:03] <ouroumov_> rm -rf ./dir
[07:03] <ouroumov_> Be careful with that
[07:04] <potatozilla> ok i do , thanks
[07:31] <potatozilla> done , all files of seahorse deleted! i'll reboot to check if this works
[07:36] <potatozilla> hey ouroumov , this worked
[07:37] <potatozilla> not seahorse anymore in my system
[07:38] <potatozilla> all filles related at seahorse deleted with root :-D
[07:40] <potatozilla> i want make a script to auto remove seahorse to help others with same problem
[07:41] <potatozilla> someone can help?
[09:55] <potatozilla> i made a script to remove seahorse : https://www.dropbox.com/s/wov9osdwrlz6z7h/remove-seahorse.sh?dl=0
[09:55] <potatozilla> cya
[10:03] <rh> can someone tell me know how to install games from http://wildtangent.com i can download but they will not install i tryed wine and it dosent work
[10:59] <eloycriss> Hello is someone there??
[11:10] <qdk> eloycriss: Will your next question be something like "Can I ask a question?"
[11:10] <qdk> eloycriss: If someone says "yes" to your first question.
[11:12] <qdk> Coming from Linux Mint/Cinnamon (13 - 17.3) and testing Ubuntu 16.04 MATE out I was wondering if my sluggish window resizing is some problem/setting/limits of MATE or something else? Like X server or whatever MATE is depending on? Further more, how do I make alt + right click activate window resizing, instead of alt + middle click?
[12:48] <redmonkie> Wheres matey?
[14:46] <qdk> Coming from Linux Mint/Cinnamon (13 - 17.3) and testing Ubuntu 16.04 MATE out I was wondering if my sluggish window resizing is some problem/setting/limits of MATE or something else? Like X server or whatever MATE is depending on? Further more, how do I make alt + right click activate window resizing, instead of alt + middle click? <- seems to be compiz that is bad. Switching to Marco it works as intended.
[14:49] <Akuli> qdk, have you even looked at the compiz settings?
[14:49] <Akuli> mint's defaults are quite different from ubuntu mate, but its easy to change them
[15:03] <qdk> Akuli: I cant find the settings for compiz, so no... I recall some place where you can set all the fanciness of compiz, but dont know where in MATE.
[15:04] <ouroumov_> qdk, you have to install ccsm first (Compiz Config Settings Manager)
[15:04] <ouroumov_> qdk, but you should try using Marco+Compton as window manager (in MATE Tweak)
[15:31] <ubuntu-mate> merrhaba
[15:31] <ubuntu-mate> tema nasıl kurabılırım
[15:32] <ubuntu-mate> hi
[15:32] <ubuntu-mate> how to install theme
[15:32] <ubuntu-mate> hi
[15:36] <qdk> ouroumov: Ok, Im using Marco now... And its seems to have what I want... And everything is a lot more snappy compared to Cinnamon.
[15:38] <qdk> For some reason its possible to go above 100% audio in sound settings in both Cinnamon and MATE, is there a way to enable vol+ and vol- to utilize more than 100%, so I dont have to open up settings to turn the volume (extra) up.
[15:39] <ouroumov_> ubuntu-mate, you should have instructions about that on gtk-look
[15:40] <ouroumov_> qdk, not that I know of (about the volume)
[15:40] <ouroumov_> qdk, if you find a way to do it though please post about it on the forums, I'm interested :)
[15:41] <ubuntu-mate> so
[15:41] <ubuntu-mate> i look gtk2 or gtk3 theme?
[15:42] <ouroumov_> ubuntu-mate, I don't know, I'm not sure the internals. I'd say GTK3 since it's the direction in which MATE is moving though
[15:42] <qdk> ouroumov: Ill do a bit of research... playing with the idea to raise the offset. Rendering 0% impossible with vol-... Though MATEs sounds settings is like light years faster than cinnamons, so its not that big a problem now.
[15:46] <ouroumov_> qdk, take a look a the "amixer" manual, it's interesting but it's lengthy
[15:56] <qdk> ouroumov: Ill do that... Guessing it works with pulse? which im guessing it the standard today?
[16:04] <potatozilla> someone know how request a resend email confirmation of freenode nickname register??
[16:05] <Akuli> /msg nickserv help
[16:05] <teward> potatozilla: ask #freenode
[16:05] <teward> potatozilla: if you're just registering and never fot the registraiton verification mail, you have to drop and start over
[16:07] <potatozilla> the problem is that not received any email , i checked junk,spam all folders and nothing
[16:08] <teward> potatozilla: again, visit #freenode
[16:12] <ouroumov> qdk: sorry, no clue. I'm no sound expert. :/
[17:12] <tiox> Anyone alive?
[17:16] <randall> maybe
[17:21] <tiox> Yay.
[17:22] <tiox> I am tryign to do something with regular expressions in compiz but I
[17:22] <tiox> ...
[17:22] <tiox> But I've no success so far.
[17:23] <randall> I don't know much about compiz, I've never even gotten that desktop cube to work
[17:23] <tiox> lol
[17:23] <tiox> Actually, I am more interested about your issue now than mind, randall; What's your issue with desktop cube?
[17:24] <tiox> now than mine*
[17:24] <randall> I don't know how to do one, I know how to switch to compiz, but never found any settings to make a cube or anything
[17:26] <Akuli> you need to install compizconfig-settings-manager
[17:26] <Akuli> compiz is basically useless without it, but the cube and other stuff are lots of fun :)
[17:26]  * Akuli rotates his desktop
[17:27] <lirik> Hey everybody. I`m new here. One month on ubuntu (unity7). Now I`m here. Is it really different?)
[17:27] <randall> ohhhhhhhh, well now I feel ignorant
[17:27] <Akuli> :)
[17:28] <fifty-sevenC> I turn all compositing off
[17:28] <Akuli> depends on which computer you run :)
[17:29] <lirik> ?
[17:29] <randall> ubuntu mate is only different from ubuntu unity in desktop environment only
[17:30] <fifty-sevenC> Default apps are different
[17:30] <fifty-sevenC> Unity is a compiz plugin where Mate is an actual DE
[17:30] <lirik> thanks. Will see,canI live with it or not :D I really like unity. and didn`t like kde. tried. Not for me... Well, will see.
[17:30] <fifty-sevenC> So Mate supports 3d, 2d and no compositing. Unity requires 3d
[17:34] <lirik> actually, I surprised by this chat. Didn`t saw something like it on ubuntu desktop.
[17:35] <fifty-sevenC> Cool
[17:36] <fifty-sevenC> Well linux is all about customizing
[17:36] <fifty-sevenC> If you don't like Mate you can try lxde, lxqt, xfce, cinnamon, i3 and others
[17:36] <randall> before I turn compiz back off cause everything is so out of focus, what's the hot hey to make a cube?
[17:37] <fifty-sevenC> Sorry no idea
[17:38] <Akuli> ctrl+alt+drag with mouse
[17:39] <Akuli> or ctrl+alt+left/right arrow
[17:40] <randall> ah well, as insanely fun as that was, I still couldn't read any words on the screen
[17:41] <Akuli> graphics card issues?
[17:41] <Akuli> mine runs great
[17:41] <randall> dunno, latest nvidia driver in the repos with a gtx 670
[18:03] <damien> does anyone know why, not all windows games will work in wine?
[18:04] <damien> I enjoy using ubuntu mate, it is much more lightweight
[18:05] <teward> damien: because Wine is not Windows
[18:05] <teward> it's not going to be able to emulate the environment for all needs of all Windows games :p
[18:06] <damien> ok good answer
[18:35] <damien> teward: Do you know anything about vineyard?
[19:06] <teward> damien: sorry, I don't.
[19:11] <damien> ok
[19:12] <damien> if you yourself are interested in this, there are tutorials on you tube about wine vineyard
[21:24] <tiox> And here I was DC'd all this time.
[21:24] <tiox> randall: Managed to get the fancy stuff going?
[21:26] <tiox> Also, Compiz isn't just about the cube; You can use Expo, which, after some tinkering can let you see multiple tasks on different desktops at once, and you can use the magnification tools to make text *appear* larger.
[23:13] <Langley> Hello, how do I configure so that the backspace button goes back in Firefox


[13:10] <psykotox> Hi, I'm trying to configure cloud-init on an openstack instance but there is something I don't understand. I try to set `manage_etc_hosts: true`. In the vendor data I have `manage_etc_hosts: localhost`. If I set `manage_etc_hosts: true` in my user-data it works. However, if I put `manage_etc_hosts: true` in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg it doesn't work, it takes the value of the vendor-data instead (`manage_etc_hosts: localhost`). Does anyone know why? I can't
[13:11] <psykotox> * I can't find anything in the docs.
[14:25] <meena> psykotox: what stuff goes into meta-data, which stuff goes into vendor-data, and stuff goes into user-data is, imo, heavily underdocumented.
[14:26] <meena> I wish we had something like Apache Httpd has, which tells you which sections you can put a directive in
[14:27] <meena> but, basically, most of them just go into user-data, except networking configuration, and the id goes into meta-data
[14:38] <psykotox> Thanks meena. But what I would like to understand is why vendor-data overrides the configuration in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg
[14:38] <psykotox> Is this an intended behavior?
[14:42] <meena> psykotox: same, i opened a bug for that
[14:45] <meena> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init?field.searchtext=merg&search=Search   i can't find mine
[16:41] <meena> oh, cool, I tried fixing a typo, and now I'm knee deep in bugs again
[16:47] <meena> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1991567
[16:49] <meena> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1758 ready for merge (or review, as it may be;)
[19:18] <cjp256> is there a case where `init-local` wouldn't be the first event?  considering a fix for invalid boot records under Azure and I see two obvious solutions.  (a) specifically look for start of `init-local` or (b) ignore azure-ds events from consideration when splitting boot records
[21:35] <meena> holman: got another question on that PR
[21:35] <meena> i should do a full review, but brain tired
[21:42] <blackboxsw> cjp256: the only images I've seen which didn't have init-local complete before init-network stage was due to errors in systemd dependency chains where cloud-init was evicted from the boot target because it was incompatible with other systemd services and ordering,


[12:24] <rmg51> off to PACS
[12:24] <rmg51> talk to the bear
[13:06] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else


[10:49] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: That scares me too.  I hear lots of good things about avast.
[10:49] <wolferine> bobbyd, open a shell then sudo ps -A
[10:49] <K`zan> fdoving: Just found it, thanks, WHEW :-)!
[10:49] <wolferine> this will list your processes
[10:49] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: its never steered me wrong before now, HOWEVER I did have a setting on the router that "filter redirection" was set off, and upnp was on
[10:49] <wolferine> if its in there, its running
[10:49] <jhutchins> bobbyd: So you're helping beta test Feisty.  File any good bugreports yet?
[10:49] <wolferine> and you will need the manager to run it
[10:49] <N6REJ> don't know that that had anything to do with it.
[10:50] <bobbyd> jhutchins: nope.
[10:50] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: OH, that reminds me, major change, I have upnp turned off on the winbox, could that be causing issues?
[10:50] <bobbyd> jhutchins: it works fine for me, apart from this.
[10:50] <bobbyd> jhutchins: have you filed any?
[10:50] <jhutchins> bobbyd: Not much point in beta testing if you don't find the bugs.
[10:50] <wolferine> compiz-manager probably
[10:50] <jhutchins> bobbyd: Nope, I'm on different projects.
[10:51] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: UPnP won't be needed for samba.
[10:51] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: I was told it was a security hole and to close it
[10:51] <wolferine> what do u think then kristjan_?
[10:51] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Tighten that router up.  Again, I'd stick dd-wrt on it and tighten the firewall a lot.
[10:51] <N6REJ> shieldsup says I'm stealthed.
[10:51] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: wish I knew how to.
[10:51] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Windows itself is a security hole.  Especially the little known and used services.
[10:51] <bobbyd> jhutchins: I'm not testing, I'm using
[10:52] <jhutchins> bobbyd: No, you're testing.
[10:52] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: *nod*
[10:52] <wolferine> bobbyd, your testing it?
[10:52] <bobbyd> jhutchins: um, no, I'm using
[10:52] <jhutchins> bobbyd: Feisty isn't released yet, it's beta.
[10:52] <bobbyd> jhutchins: and?
[10:52] <kristjan_> wolferine: about what? I don't remember my apps crashing in ctrl alt f8, then again I don't use that xinit thing almost at all
[10:52] <jhutchins> bobbyd: That's what unreleased beta means.
[10:52] <wolferine> so do you recommend using a new user?
[10:52] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: well, thanks for the help, I see I've got a lot to do, going to have to nibble at it.
[10:53] <wolferine> just to play games
[10:53] <bobbyd> jhutchins: sorry, I think you're confused. I'm using feisty right now, I have been for a while.
[10:53] <bobbyd> jhutchins: I don't need to file bug report as it's working fine for me
[10:53] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: I wonder if they came through skype?
[10:53] <wolferine> bobbyd, your distracted
[10:53] <wolferine> ill help you some other time
[10:53] <jhutchins> bobbyd: I think you're confused about beta software and why you run it.
[10:53] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Good luck with it.  Secure your perimeter and make sure that you clean that Windows box.
[10:53] <bobbyd> jhutchins: not at all
[10:53] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: cc
[10:53] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Any network application is a security hole.
[10:53] <jhutchins> wolferine: Go ahead and help him, he doesn't understand anyway.
[10:53] <wolferine> yeah, I realize
[10:54] <bobbyd> jhutchins: you seem to have some preconcieved notion of what other people should do with free software :)
[10:54] <wolferine> so ill pass :)
[10:54] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: If you have a copy of the Hijack this log, pastebin it.   I'm a user, not part of a beta-test.
[10:55] <fdoving> jhutchins, wolferine, bobbyd, you can perfectly fine use beta software without reporting bugs if it works perfectly for you. however some of the idea with beta software is to get feedback and give the developers a chance to fix issues before the real release. so if you experience a problem and don't report it, everybody looses.
[10:55] <jhutchins> bobbyd: Of course you can do what you want with it, to the extent that it works.  If you use it though, you are testing it, because it's not final yet.  It's made available so lots of people can run it and find the bugs.
[10:56] <jhutchins> fdoving: Well put.
[10:56] <jjesse> hello i've reparitioned my drive and now i can't access the disk & filesystems module of system settings
[10:56] <jjesse> i get a message that the module can't be loaded
[10:56] <bobbyd> fdoving: if I find bug I'll report them, I don't find anything that annoys me, so I don't report anything
[10:57] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: go to http://www.treeturner.com/hijackthis.log
[10:57] <wolferine> fdoving, ok.....
[10:57] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: look at line 17
[10:57] <N6REJ> or I should say section 17
[10:57] <fdoving> bobbyd: great :)
[10:57] <luis_> hola
[10:57] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Page not found.
[10:58] <luis_> hablan espaol
[10:58] <fdoving> !es | luis_
[10:58] <ubotu> luis_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:58] <bobbyd> fdoving: of course, if I reported every bug I see in KDE/GNU/Linux I would spend all my time reporting bugs :)
[10:58] <N6REJ> damn, helps if I put it in www instead of root
[10:59] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: try again
[10:59] <fdoving> bobbyd: please do. or atleast check that they are already reported.
[10:59] <bobbyd> fdoving: I'm contributing some code to KDE4 (or at least I have some patches in progress) so at least I'm doing something :)
[10:59] <fdoving> bobbyd: great :)
[10:59] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Again, page not found...
[10:59] <MervTeck> Why you so stupid! You not hungry for girl! YOU HUNGRY FOR HOT POCKETSSSSSS. HOT POCKETSSSSS!
[11:00] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Got it
[11:00] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: whew, I was gonna say It works for me.
[11:00] <luis_> please
[11:00] <wolferine> it appears this is not so straight-forward (moving between a fullscreen game and the desktop)
[11:00] <luis_> podrian ayudarme
[11:00] <fdoving> !es | luis_
[11:00] <ubotu> luis_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:00] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: those ips were in my "dns servers" area
[11:01] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: And those aren't right?
[11:01] <fdoving> wolferine: did you try ctrl-alt + and - ?
[11:01] <luis_> ya lo hise.
[11:01] <bobbyd> fdoving: I completely understand the concept behind beta software, I'm a developer. I suppose what I was saying to jhutchins was that I'm under no obligation to do anything. I have reported bugs in the past, and I will in the future, but most of the things that annoy me are so obvious that they're usually already reported.
[11:01] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: NO WAY!!!!  mine are 69.
[11:01] <luis_>  no hablan
[11:01] <wolferine> fdoving, no, I didnt
[11:01] <N6REJ> and instead of "automatically get" it was hard set
[11:01] <wolferine> what does the + - do?
[11:01] <wolferine> cycle the ttyl?
[11:02] <fdoving> wolferine: cycle resolutions if you have more than one setup.
[11:02] <N6REJ> do a google on that class "c" and you'll crud
[11:02] <wolferine> setup?
[11:02] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Update your realplayer too.  And QuickTime.
[11:02] <wolferine> in xorg.conf?
[11:02] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: k
[11:02] <fdoving> wolferine: yes.
[11:02] <wolferine> ah, ok, thats not what I need, I beleive
[11:02] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: I hate qt but I have to have it for some programs.... same with rp
[11:02] <wolferine> believe*
[11:02] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: And iTunes.
[11:03] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: IT should be up to date
[11:03] <jhutchins> bobbyd: Some people are under the impressio that pre-release software is supposed to be "bigger and better", and then don't understand when they can't get it all to work.
[11:03] <bobbyd> jhutchins: not me :)
[11:03] <jhutchins> good.
[11:03] <bobbyd> jhutchins: but it is bigger and better :)
[11:03] <jhutchins> Sorry to get all off-topic about it.
[11:03] <wolferine> off topic can be good
[11:04] <Kr4t05> Okay...
[11:04] <bobbyd> jhutchins: no problem at all. I just don't like being dictated to, especially after the day I've had.
[11:04] <N6REJ> jhutchins: do you know if there is any wine/cedega that will run adobe yet?
[11:04] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: And check Acrobat too.
[11:04] <kristjan_> fdoving: what happened to that mervteck?
[11:04] <fdoving> kristjan_: he left.
[11:04] <jhutchins> There was a time when you really had to push into the latest unstable packages in order to get stuff working, but these days you can run a pretty current and productive system and stay with stable/released packages.
[11:05] <jhutchins> N6REJ: Depends on what adobe.
[11:05] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: ok, so purge and install only new software... get rid of the backups.
[11:05] <jhutchins> Wine is something that's worth updating if you can't run something.
[11:05] <N6REJ> jhutchins: I really need photoshop and imageready
[11:05] <kristjan_> fdoving: weird, his last line does not make any sense? what girl?
[11:05] <jhutchins> N6REJ: I don't think so.
[11:05] <N6REJ> jhutchins: DARN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:05] <jhutchins> N6REJ: I know a lot of pro's who use gimp.
[11:05] <luis_> me podrian desir como  cambiar de sala?
[11:06] <jhutchins> N6REJ: Adobe knows there's a Linux market out here, they just haven't decided how to tap it.
[11:06] <N6REJ> jhutchins: I'm starting to do alot of flash work, I have swish coming
[11:06] <bobbyd> N6REJ: try gimpshop in the meantime
[11:06] <TSWoodV> N6REJ: Roger that.  And make sure that you turn off system restore.  That's a cesspool usually.
[11:06] <N6REJ> jhutchins: yeah, I've heard they're making the move
[11:06] <jhutchins> N6REJ: Most animated films are rendered with Linux, so the graphical tools are out there.
[11:06] <Kr4t05> I have an nVidia Geforce 6200 with the drivers 1.0-9742 installed. I currently have a TwinView configuration setup with my two CRT monitors, but I want to add a third display (A TV connected via the S-Video out on my card) to the configuration. nvidia-settings detects theTV, so I add it as a separate X Server. However, when I restart X and log back in, the TV is disabled again...
[11:06] <N6REJ> bobbyd: ok, I will ty!
[11:06] <N6REJ> TSWoodV: cc
[11:06] <N6REJ> jhutchins: ok, I'll have to learn to use them.
[11:07] <Kr4t05> X Session*, rather
[11:07] <jhutchins> N6REJ: ImageMagick is pretty amazing - image manipulation from the command line!
[11:07] <N6REJ> debates on weither he should just dump everything OR try to save data
[11:07] <N6REJ> anyone know if they can comprimise imagery?
[11:08] <jhutchins> N6REJ: comprise?
[11:08] <jhutchins> !es | luis_
[11:08] <ubotu> luis_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:08] <N6REJ> *grrrrrr infect, stick a virus in it
[11:09] <jhutchins> N6REJ: Compromise.  Yeah, it's possible, especially for Windows.
[11:09] <N6REJ> jhutchins: DAMN!  I've got MEGS of business logos
[11:09] <phpcoin> luis_ tecla /join #kubuntu-es
[11:09] <jhutchins> N6REJ: You should be ok if you run a decent scanner on 'em.
[11:10] <N6REJ> jhutchins: k
[11:10] <jhutchins> Nice thing is that in Linux they're unlikely to propagate or do any harm.
[11:10] <jhutchins> N6REJ: I run clamav, but there are others.
[11:10] <sax> Hi, everyone, I recently switched from G to KDE and I'm very happy with it.  Earlier today, OOo was working fine, but it suddenly stopped.  Any comments?  No errors in terminal...Hi, everyone, I recently switched from G to KDE and I'm very happy with it.  Earlier today, OOo was working fine, but it suddenly stopped.  Any comments?  No errors in terminal...
[11:11] <N6REJ> jhutchins: ok.
[11:11] <sax> I really need it, because all my homework is in odt format...
[11:11] <jhutchins> Kr4t05: Don't know any answers, but you're not the only one who's had problems like that (if it makes you feel any better).
[11:11] <Kr4t05> jhutchins: Only slightly. :P
[11:11] <jhutchins> sax: koffice or abiword may be able to open it.  I've had issues with it not opening any existing documents suddenly too.
[11:11] <Kr4t05> I'm about to do some forum-hunting, any way...
[11:12] <sax> Hm.  See, I tried abiword, and Open office won't even execute.
[11:12] <sax> I haven't tried koffice.
[11:12] <jhutchins> sax: I can't edit my timesheets so I can get paid!
[11:12] <sax> hm.  wow
[11:13] <sax> does OOo have a KDE problem?
[11:13] <jhutchins> sax.  Hm.  Good question.
[11:13] <RealisticDragon> i dont think so, i use OO.o a lot on KDE
[11:13] <sax> I get the little bouncing icon under my cursor when I click the menu option, but it won't open.  I'm going to ctrl alt backspace, back in a minute...
[11:13] <RealisticDragon> of course the plural of anecdote is not data :)
[11:14] <blekos> hi, any idea why my kmail does not connect to internet?
[11:14] <hellcattrav> ok, whats the difference between kubuntu and opensuse...opensuse the wireless doesn't work
[11:14] <RealisticDragon> you said you had tried running oowriter from ther terminal right?
[11:14] <jhutchins> RealisticDragon: Yeah, it worked fine for me until I got a new printer, then it's toast.
[11:14] <RealisticDragon> blekos: have you checked your mail server settings?
[11:14] <RealisticDragon> meh, i hate printers
[11:14] <hellcattrav> im trying to compare the two and opensuse seems better but for the fact that I can't get on the net wirelessly
[11:14] <RealisticDragon> i havent had one in years, hard copy just clutters the place up
[11:15] <RealisticDragon> hellcattrav: all versions of linux are built from the same basic parts, but not necessarily in exactly the same way
[11:15] <RealisticDragon> if wireless works in ubuntu you can probably get it working in opensuse, how hard itll be i dont know
[11:15] <blekos> although i have not changed anything from yesterday the strange thing is that i can send an email but not get any. I get the message "transmission complete.no new messages"
[11:16] <hellcattrav> at least in kubuntu i could get on the net and hooked the printer up before it booted into a text mode(but i think i might have firgured out the problem)but still wanted to experiment,b but I think its now a bad idea
[11:16] <RealisticDragon> if you open up a terminal and type lspci itll tell you what wireless card you have (and the chipset) which will let you ask the opensuse folk how you fix it
[11:16] <blekos> it is like, it's checking <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:16] <sax> WEEEIIRRRRDDDD.... I ran "sudo openoffice", got some errors, and it worked fine!
[11:16] <RealisticDragon> sax: sounds like there is a permissions problem there somewhere
[11:16] <blekos> it doesnt even pop ups the boxes that say "checking for mail in account xxx"
[11:16] <RealisticDragon> sax: you can try removing and reinstalling open office with adept and see if that fixes it
[11:17] <sax> yeah, where's the pastebin for kubuntu?
[11:17] <sax> I forgot the url
[11:17] <RealisticDragon> blekos: sounds like the address for the remote server is wrong... <IP_ADDRESS> is the address of your machine
[11:17] <hellcattrav> ive tried that and well not really gotten very far
[11:17] <blekos> well i ment 0.1
[11:17] <Alonea> why is it when I play a CD on amarok my computer goes a bit unstable? mostly its my mouse pointer stalls and goes erratic.
[11:17] <blekos> u r right
[11:17] <sax> !pastebin
[11:17] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:17] <sax> there we goo...
[11:18] <RealisticDragon> blekos: id you go into account settings you can see there what the address it has for your mail server
[11:18] <RealisticDragon> if you dont know what that should be set to im afraid you need to give your ISP a ring
[11:18] <RealisticDragon> its in settings, configure, accounts, recieving
[11:18] <RealisticDragon> in kmail
[11:19] <RealisticDragon> there should be an entry in there for the mail server of your isp
[11:19] <blekos> do u mean my smtp server?
[11:19] <RealisticDragon> smtp is outgoing
[11:19] <blekos> sorry, my pop3 server?
[11:19] <RealisticDragon> pop3 is incomming
[11:19] <RealisticDragon> yep
[11:19] <blekos> my pop3 server r ok, i got 4 email accounts
[11:19] <sax> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11576/  Just to recap, OOo only opens when I use sudo, I get those errors, and it acts funny but works.
[11:19] <blekos> i tried reinstalled but no luck
[11:19] <RealisticDragon> oh, sorry, is it outgoing thats not working?
[11:20] <blekos> bloody hell, i messed it up
[11:20] <blekos> ok, it is incoming not working
[11:20] <blekos> i can send but i do not get
[11:20] <SilentM> Anyone here use Avant Window Navigator?
[11:20] <blekos> i doubled checked my setting but everything "seems" right
[11:21] <RealisticDragon> did you check the security settings as well for each account?
[11:21] <RealisticDragon> sax: those errors are normal when running GUI programmes with sudo because they need access to applications that are running as the user
[11:21] <jhutchins> RealisticDragon: Took some doing but nope, crashes under xfce too.
[11:22] <jhutchins> !kdesu
[11:22] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[11:22] <RealisticDragon> since it runs fine as root i would try removing and reinstalling open office via adept (alt-space adept) and then see if it works :)
[11:22] <blekos> yep. for example i press on "check what server supports" and i get an answer
[11:22] <sax> okay.  thanks jhutchins
[11:22] <blekos> the thing is, when i press check for mail i get an *instant* message that transmission is complete
[11:23] <RealisticDragon> blekos: if that bit works but you still cant get mail im sorry but its beyond my knowledge :/ you can try launchpad.net where there are a lot more people who might know about it
[11:23] <madmonk> hi all
[11:23] <RealisticDragon> blekos: sure its not working and you dont just have no messages? :)
[11:23] <madmonk> I've got a problem with kubuntu edgy
[11:23] <RealisticDragon> jhutchins: sorry i lost track, what was your problem?
[11:23] <jhutchins> blekos: Try a different protocol, like imap instead of pop.
[11:23] <madmonk> amule + guarddog doen't work
[11:23] <jhutchins> RealisticDragon: Oh, wierd oo crashes on existing docs.
[11:23] <madmonk> >:-(
[11:24] <RealisticDragon> madmonk: guarddog is a firewal right? and amule is a emule client?
[11:24] <madmonk> I opened all the right ports
[11:24] <madmonk> yep
[11:24] <jhutchins> RealisticDragon: Can't even open them, just goes to "recovering (blank document)".
[11:24] <RealisticDragon> do you have a hardware router madmonk?
[11:24] <blekos> well, i dont have i map, and RDragon i sent a message to myself and never got it. Also i check my mails on a webserver but never got em on my pc
[11:24] <RealisticDragon> jhutchins: very odd :o
[11:24] <madmonk> ports opened on my router...
[11:24] <RealisticDragon> using upnp? or manual?
[11:24] <jhutchins> I can open them in other spreadsheet programs, but I'm used to the way oocalc works.
[11:24] <madmonk> it always worked with firestarter...
[11:25] <RealisticDragon> ok
[11:25] <jhutchins> Anyway, time to go feed the horses.  L8rs.
[11:25] <madmonk> but now i'm on a fresh install and my mission is to get guarddog+amule to work! :p
[11:25] <madmonk> everything is configured fine here
[11:26] <madmonk> except for guarddog i guess...
[11:26] <RealisticDragon> does iptables -L give something that looks sensible?
[11:26] <madmonk> wait...
[11:26] <RealisticDragon> you need to run that with sudo
[11:27] <velle> anyone has experience with speech synthesis (I need my computer to read out loud), e.g. Festival or Orca?
[11:27] <madmonk> k...i think now it needs some time to get the info...
[11:27] <madmonk> got it...wait...
[11:27] <Tm_T> velle: I do use Festival
[11:27] <RealisticDragon> you can use pastebin (from the topic) to post it :)
[11:28] <madmonk> ok! I'll use it...
[11:28] <madmonk> er...where is pastebin?
[11:28] <madmonk> a ok...
[11:28] <RealisticDragon> !pastebin
[11:28] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:28] <madmonk> the topic XD
[11:29] <rocksound> hola
[11:29] <velle> Tm_T: Ok, I guess I need a little help :)
[11:29] <rocksound> hola
[11:29] <rocksound> me podrian ayudar
[11:30] <Tm_T> velle: spit it out
[11:30] <Tm_T> rocksound: english please :)
[11:30] <pollyo> Hello
[11:30] <pollyo> Anyone familiar with virtualization under linux?
[11:30] <velle> Tm_T: I find the manual to be difficult to understand, and LONG. All I want is to have a text file read out loud, shouldnt that be easy?
[11:31] <Tm_T> velle: yes, install ktts
[11:31] <madmonk> RealisticDragon: OK...I pasted it...
[11:31] <pollyo> I was reading about qemu and it mentioned virtualization could be a faster option.
[11:31] <ssickle> velle: I use ksayit and it is an easy to use kde text to speech setup.
[11:31] <madmonk> can u take a look?
[11:31] <Tm_T> velle: ksayit etc
[11:31] <madmonk> RealisticDragon: can u take a look?
[11:31] <RealisticDragon> it should give you a link :)
[11:31] <madmonk> a ok
[11:31] <rocksound> hola como pongo esto men espaol
[11:31] <madmonk> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11577/
[11:31] <ssickle> My setup is using festival in the backend and kttsd as the glue.
[11:31] <Tm_T> velle: my Kopete speak messages etc :)
[11:31] <rocksound> como pongo esto en espaol
[11:32] <Tm_T> ssickle: that's typical setup
[11:32] <Tm_T> !es | rocksound
[11:32] <ubotu> rocksound: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:32] <velle> Tm_T: So Festival is more for the hardcore stuff? And I should stick to one of those two?
[11:32] <RealisticDragon> looking now madmonk
[11:32] <madmonk> ok
[11:32] <Tm_T> velle: festifal is engine, you need reasonable GUI
[11:33] <RealisticDragon> man this is why i write my firewalls by hand this is hard to grok :)
[11:33] <velle> Tm_T: I suspected that, but their manual was too much for me to really find out :)
[11:33] <Tm_T> velle: I can imagine
[11:34] <filemover> hi ive got a screen res problem ive got a nvidia 6000 series 256mb video card and i cant get the right settings for it also my xorg.conf file is just empty after running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg can anyone help
[11:34] <madmonk> RealisticDragon: ???
[11:34] <madmonk> RealisticDragon: so??
[11:34] <machoopy> How come the 'at' command never works?
[11:35] <RealisticDragon> madmonk: sorry madmonk, from what i can see i cant see any reason why its not working
[11:35] <RealisticDragon> there seems to be an accept all input line in there, so it should be fine :o
[11:35] <madmonk> RealisticDragon: neither me!!! :(
[11:35] <madmonk> RealisticDragon: yep
[11:35] <machoopy> This used to be my favorite command to use, because I would have my music common during the music.  Why doesn't the 'at' command refuse to exec its commands?
[11:35] <machoopy> *come on
[11:35] <RealisticDragon> might be worth talking to the people t guarddog.. and i apologise, but i need to run
[11:36] <madmonk> RealisticDragon: ok...thank u so much..
[11:36] <RealisticDragon> np
[11:36] <RealisticDragon> sorry i couldnt really help
[11:36] <|Iwonder|> machoopy: what is at?
[11:36] <RealisticDragon> good luck :)
[11:36] <madmonk> RealisticDragon: thanx for yr time anyway ;)
[11:36] <filemover> hi ive got a screen res problem ive got a nvidia 6000 series 256mb video card and i cant get the right settings for it also my xorg.conf file is just empty after running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg can anyone help
[11:36] <machoopy> |Iwonder|: it is the command that is similar to cron is some respects.
[11:37] <|Iwonder|> never heard of at
[11:37] <machoopy> |Iwonder|: like I will type in the konsole: "at 1am tomorrow <enter>  do this <ctrl d>
[11:37] <madmonk> can anybody help me with guarddog + amule??
[11:37] <machoopy> The at command has a bug in it.  The developers need to fix it
[11:38] <|Iwonder|> mine works
[11:38] <machoopy> It is a very bad bug to have, because a lot of people use the 'at' command.
[11:38] <machoopy> Ask it to do something, and it won't do it.
[11:38] <|Iwonder|> madmonk: does netstat -l show it listening?
[11:38] <madmonk> wait..
[11:38] <filemover> hi ive got a screen res problem ive got a nvidia 6000 series 256mb video card and i cant get the right settings for it also my xorg.conf file is just empty after running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg can anyone help
[11:38] <velle> ssickle: I have installed KSayIt now, and entered a line "My name is Bill", and pressed play. But it never plays, it just keeps saying "Synthesizing".
[11:38] <|Iwonder|> machoopy: give me an example
[11:39] <|Iwonder|> in english
[11:39] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: port 4662 is LISTEN
[11:39] <machoopy> |Iwonder|: Okay, hold just a sec.
[11:39] <kristjan_> filemover: try these forums http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=14
[11:39] <filemover> thnx
[11:39] <Hasrat_USA> good evening everyone
[11:40] <|Iwonder|> k load nmap
[11:40] <|Iwonder|> with gui
[11:40] <machoopy> |Iwonder|:  If I tell it to play my music in the morning, to wake me up, it never ends up doing that very thing.  The command will respond, as if it is going to work, but it never executes the set of commands that I give it.
[11:40] <|Iwonder|> or read help so you can learn the commands,nmap your public ip for that port
[11:41] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: wait...can't follow u
[11:41] <|Iwonder|> there is nothing in /var/log/messages machoopy?
[11:41] <pollyo> Anyone use qemu to run windows from linux?
[11:42] <|Iwonder|> machoopy: load knmap,start it as sudo,soecify the port you wish to scab (you will see where to specify one port),scan your public ip(one given by your isp
[11:42] <hcurbano> fg
[11:42] <madmonk> a k...
[11:42] <madmonk> not talkin to me
[11:42] <|Iwonder|> specify port you wish to scan
[11:43] <|Iwonder|> o
[11:43] <|Iwonder|> excuse me
[11:43] <machoopy> |Iwonder|: huh?   But it never plays, it just keeps saying "Synthesizing".  I'm moving away from windows myself.
[11:53] <Hasrat_USA> pollyo
[11:54] <Hasrat_USA> nope. i cared to reply to your question :P
[11:54] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: didn't work
[11:54] <Hasrat_USA> but seriously, i don't have a valid reason to run a windows application, let alone the whole OS under any type of Emulator
[11:55] <|Iwonder|> madmonk:  ls /etc/init.d see if its in there
[11:55] <|Iwonder|> pollyo:  why would you try/
[11:55] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: yes
[11:55] <pollyo> Hasrat_USA: I'm interested only because I am moving from windows to linux.  Otherwise I doubt I would have the interst.
[11:55] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: guarddog script is there
[11:56] <Hasrat_USA> everything I ever wanted came with the distro that im using right now. and almost any distro of GNU/Linux that you can confront nowadays would have almost all the software you need to help you perform your everyday tasks that you used to do previously when you were on windows platform
[11:56] <|Iwonder|> k madmonk type /etc/init.d.guarddog stop
[11:56] <|Iwonder|> ooop
[11:56] <|Iwonder|> k madmonk type /etc/init.d./guarddog stop
[11:56] <pollyo> Iwonder: I am interested in finding out if I have to make a disk image to run the virtualization on or if I can somehow use my partion that is windows.
[11:56] <|Iwonder|> damn it
[11:56] <madmonk> LOL
[11:56] <|Iwonder|> k madmonk type /etc/init.d/guarddog stop
[11:56] <|Iwonder|> this bum finger is hell
[11:56] <Hasrat_USA> pollyo: are you on your way from Winblows to GNU/Linux or have already moved or are still planning on what to do and what not to do? i mean have you committed to linux yet?
[11:57] <Hasrat_USA> or, have you committed yourself fully to linux yet?
[11:57] <madmonk> done
[11:57] <pollyo> Hasrat_USA: I am now looking at GNU/Liunux.  I am on a machine now that I can boot into windows or linux.
[11:57] <|Iwonder|> k madmonk recheck nmap output
[11:57] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: ShiT!!!! It worked!!!
[11:57] <pollyo> Hasrat_USA: There are some programs that I stil use on windows that are not supported on linux.
[11:57] <Admiral_Chicago> !language | madmonk:
[11:57] <ubotu> madmonk:: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:57] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: my amule is connected fine!
[11:57] <Hasrat_USA> pollyo: such as?
[11:57] <|Iwonder|> k fix your guarddog/iptables
[11:58] <|Iwonder|> i would think you need a new rule
[11:58] <|Iwonder|> but i'm no iptables expert
[11:58] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: k...which one??
[11:58] <pollyo> Hasrat_USA: For example I have AIM trinitron with a phone number that comes to my computer that people call me on often.
[11:58] <pollyo> Hasrat_USA: They do not have an AIM with telephone support for linux at this time.
[11:58] <|Iwonder|> pollyo:  why not emulate the app you need,not the whole os
[11:59] <pollyo> Iwonder: Emulate the app? With what?
[11:59] <|Iwonder|> cedega?
[11:59] <stdin> !wine
[11:59] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[11:59] <|Iwonder|> xwine
[11:59] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: what should i look for??
[11:59] <pollyo> I have wine running and the AIM program does not work with it.
[11:59] <Hasrat_USA> well pollyo you can do almost whatever you want with GNU/Linux. who's stopping you? you can grab vmware and run a whole windows OS if you want
[11:59] <pollyo> I've tried that.
[11:59] <Nullbyte> Hey guys, is it possible to play m4a files in kubuntu? :)
[12:00] <|Iwonder|> madmonk: i really dunno shit about iptables
[12:00] <pollyo> Hasrat_USA: That is what I was asking about with qemu
[12:00] <firecrotch> !m4a
[12:00] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:00] <madmonk> op!! language!!! XD
[12:00] <|Iwonder|> try man iptables
[12:00] <stdin> Nullbyte: m4a are usually mpeg4 audio, so, unless they have some sort of DRM, you can
[12:01] <firecrotch> !pg > firecrotch
[12:01] <Hasrat_USA> I apologize pollyo. See...Adobe Flash Authoring software is one of my most favourite apps but they haven't ported it to Gnu/linux yet. I'm thinking about installing Wine and see if Flash runs on it
[12:01] <madmonk> well...i just would like to use guarddog..
[12:01] <|Iwonder|> guarddog is just a front end to iptables,i'm sure it has a kde help
[12:02] <pollyo> Hasrat_USA: The wineHQ site appears to have a database of applications that people have tested on it.  Perhaps they will be able to inform you of the level of compatibility it has with wine.
[12:02] <madmonk> k...i'll look after it..
[12:02] <|Iwonder|> i've just never used it
[12:02] <madmonk> thank u so much anyway
[12:02] <|Iwonder|> anytime
[12:03] <|Iwonder|> i'm sure someone on here knows how to add a rule,you may have to wait til they become active
[12:03] <pollyo> Iwonder: In guarddog?
[12:04] <|Iwonder|> yeah
[12:04] <Hasrat_USA> i Don't know squat about Quemo, nor do i think anyone knows or cares too much about running an windows app in here...but you can always give vmware a try. it's awesome for people who haven't been able to be comfortable with not being able to use software they have been using for a long time in windows
[12:04] <|Iwonder|> madmonk:  needs a rule to allow traffic
[12:04] <madmonk> I added all the rules dude
[12:04] <pollyo> Iwonder: I think it can be done under the advanced tab.
[12:04] <madmonk> look at my iptables -L
[12:04] <DrX> help!  mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/mountpoint fails with "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock"
[12:04] <|Iwonder|> question is which does it listen on
[12:05] <pollyo> Hasrat_USA: I'll check it out.  Thanks for the suggestion.
[12:05] <Hasrat_USA> why the f@#$ is Konversation/freenode server lagging tonight?
[12:05] <firecrotch> DrX: you need to specify the filesystem type
[12:05] <Alonea> Hasrat_USA: have no idea. It was lagging for me bad yesterday
[12:05] <pollyo> madmonk: I haven't added any rules but after you added the rule did you go to the Protocol tabe and allow it?
[12:06] <madmonk> pollyo: yes
[12:06] <madmonk> pollyo: did it
[12:06] <Hasrat_USA> You're welcome. Basically I haven't attempted to use/install any kind of Windows Emulator but if I really needed to run one, i would go for VMware.
[12:06] <Alonea> Hasrat_USA: and it did it on all my IRC programs too.
[12:06] <|Iwonder|> madmonk: why is set to anywhere:anywhere have the rule?
[12:06] <Hasrat_USA> yeah it's pissing me off Alonea
[12:06] <pollyo> Hasrat_USA: Is VMware free or something that I need to purchase?
[12:07] <|Iwonder|> pollyo: its trial ware
[12:07] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: did u read my pastebin?
[12:07] <Alonea> Hasrat_USA: My whole system has been a bloody devil to me.
[12:07] <|Iwonder|> yes madmonk
[12:07] <Hasrat_USA> if you want to purchase the pro version, then good. or else you can always go for either the free or trial version
[12:07] <Jucato> pollyo: vmware-player and vmware-server are free (as in beer)
[12:07] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: dunno
[12:07] <pollyo> Iwonder: Great I can try it along with qemu.
[12:07] <Hasrat_USA> oh yeah get vmware player
[12:08] <|Iwonder|> pollyo: i've used vmware,it works well
[12:08] <Hasrat_USA> damn I think i'm allergic to windows i feel uncomfortable when i imagine that i'm using an windows app lol
[12:08] <|Iwonder|> be sure to install the tools after install
[12:08] <Hasrat_USA> i feel like i can't breathe
[12:08] <pollyo> Ok.  Thanks for the input.  I have to run.
[12:08] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: I really think I have to specify somewhere in guarddog my gateway ip and my eth card ip
[12:08] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: Xen is what I run
[12:08] <Hasrat_USA> Alonea: what's wrong with your system and what's your system?
[12:08] <Admiral_Chicago> because its free
[12:09] <pollyo> madmonk: Is this the first time you used gaurddog?
[12:09] <|Iwonder|> i dunno madm
[12:09] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: and the only way i can see is by adding a new zone
[12:09] <Admiral_Chicago> we've been over this iirc
[12:09] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: too complicated forme though... :(
[12:09] <Alonea> Hasrat_USA: Kubuntu. and a lot a things are wrong...
[12:09] <Jucato> "for me"*
[12:09] <pollyo> madmonk: Make sure you allow the DNS and some other things so you can access the web.
[12:09] <|Iwonder|> madmonk:  is your route unusally complex?
[12:09] <madmonk> pollyo: nope...but i never got it to work
[12:09] <DrX> firecrotch, i did (mount -t ext3 /dev/sda5 /mnt/mountpoint) and it gives me EXT3-fs:  journal inode is deleted in syslog
[12:10] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: could be...dunno...
[12:10] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: i mean
[12:10] <|Iwonder|> how many nics do you have madmonk?
[12:10] <Hasrat_USA> i need a quick suggestion from any of you experts in here...i got a system that doesn't have a wireless network card although dell gave me a free wireless router. should i trash the router or keep it? it's gathering dust and taking up space
[12:10] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: eth0 ip is <IP_ADDRESS> gateway(router) ip is <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:11] <pollyo> madmonk: I was having problems and noticed that I didn't have DNS active or ICMP Redirect.
[12:11] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: just 1
[12:11] <|Iwonder|> madmonk you can't do that
[12:11] <pollyo> madmonk: You might need to permitt them.
[12:11] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: ICMP!!!
[12:11] <Admiral_Chicago> Hasrat_USA: i'd say sell it if you don't use wireless.
[12:11] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: I didn't add ICMP
[12:11] <|Iwonder|> the nic and gw can't be the same ip
[12:11] <firecrotch> DrX: run a fsck on it, it ought to fix it
[12:11] <pollyo> madmonk: After I set those everything worked fine.
[12:11] <Admiral_Chicago> but thats a personal opinion
[12:11] <Hasrat_USA> admiral it's a netgear wireless router 54 MB. how much do you think i should charge for it?
[12:11] <madmonk> |Iwonder|: er...bad typing...
[12:12] <|Iwonder|> ok


[00:06] <sladen> Keybuk: what are the dotted lines?
[00:14] <Keybuk> sladen: useful points
[00:14] <Keybuk> where we do budgeting
[00:14] <Keybuk> end of kernel/initramfs
[00:14] <Keybuk> start of X
[00:14] <Keybuk> start of gdm session
[00:14] <Keybuk> end of boot
[00:17] <sladen> Keybuk: they do look useful; could you try adding a vertical label for which each one is
[00:24] <ccheney`> does google use android to track traffic patterns? i've noticed the traffic data for the US seems much better than it used to be, and probably better than is actually being tracked by highway departments
[00:24] <ccheney`> and there are weird gaps that would lead me to believe phones might be being used as a source of the data
[00:24] <lifeless> ccheney`: yes
[00:25] <lifeless> ccheney`: they blogged about it.
[00:25] <lifeless> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/08/bright-side-of-sitting-in-traffic.html
[00:26] <lifeless> "It takes almost zero effort on your part — just turn on Google Maps for mobile before starting your car — and the more people that participate, the better the resulting traffic reports get for everybody."
[00:27] <ccheney`> lifeless: ah cool, i couldn't find the article
[00:28] <ccheney`> lifeless: now with google maps navigation lots more people will be using it :)
[00:28] <ccheney`> regular google maps app wasn't all that useful
[00:28] <Keybuk> sladen: I don't see the point
[00:29] <Keybuk> the lines already meet the appropriate process
[00:30] <sladen> Keybuk: the output becomes significantly more useful to people other-than-yourself if it's annoted
[00:31] <sladen> Keybuk: the more information processing you can farm out to other people, the less explaining and work you need to do for yourself
[00:31] <Keybuk> sladen: and the more time I spend adding annotations ;)
[00:32] <Keybuk> if only it were open source, then you could add your own features
[00:32] <Keybuk> OH, WAIT
[00:34] <sladen> Keybuk: upload/publish it and I will
[00:36] <Keybuk> sladen: I already have
[00:36] <Keybuk> bzr branch lp:ubuntu/pybootchartgui
[01:33] <Keybuk> cjwatson: http://people.canonical.com/~scott/daily-installer/
[03:47] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[03:47] <Amaranth> Stupid KDE transition breaking compiz builds :/
[03:52] <ScottK> Amaranth: Qt upstream that does a post-beta binary incompatible change.
[03:52] <ScottK> Not actually even KDE's fault.
[03:53] <Amaranth> ScottK: hrm, I don't think we do all that when GTK+ changes the ABI during development
[03:55] <ScottK> Generally Qt doesn't break ABI except on major version updates, so I gather this was some kind of mistake as the 'fixed' ABI is compatible with 4.5
[05:26] <matgeek> I am just curious about creating IPv6 readiness blueprint for Lucid Lynx  I am a Debian Developer experienced in networking, having developed OSPF for zebra/quagga, and extensive IPSEC administration and configuration experience under linux.
[05:40] <ScottK> matgeek: You'll probably get more of an answer during regular European or US working hours.
[05:53] <matgeek> ScottK : Thanks, I will try later.  One of the problems with living in NZ....
[06:02] <ScottK> matgeek: You might also try #ubuntu-server.  Perhaps more interest there.
[06:37] <siretart> morning
[06:37] <siretart> component mismatches smells fishy: a lot of multimedia packages (libfaac, mplayer, xvidcore) try to get promoted to main for no understandable reason. at least not to me.
[06:41] <pwnguin> who should i bug about firefox apparmor profiles, -security or -mozilla team
[06:41] <pwnguin> ?
[06:44] <pwnguin><PHONE_NUMBER>29] type=1503 audit(1259217826.151:207): operation="exec" pid=25141 parent=25079 profile="/usr/lib/firefox-3.5.*/firefox" requested_mask="::x" denied_mask="::x" fsuid=1000 ouid=0 name="/usr/bin/liferea-add-feed"
[07:33] <pitti> Good morning
[07:34] <Hobbsee> morning pitti!
[07:35] <cjwatson> siretart: kdemultimedia Recommends: mplayerthumbs
[07:38] <pitti> hey Hobbsee, how are you?
[07:39] <Hobbsee> pitti: studying :(
[07:39] <Hobbsee> pitti: last exam tomorrow
[07:39] <spm> \o/
[07:39] <pitti> Hobbsee: oh, all the best then!
[07:39] <Hobbsee> thanks :)
[07:39] <spm> Hobbsee: which is why you're on irc? :-) and yes, Good Luck!
[07:40] <Hobbsee> spm: well..  ;)
[07:40] <Hobbsee> spm: trying to put a bit of a break in between doing one, and studying for the next one ;)
[07:40] <spm> sounds fair to me!
[07:43] <pitti> superm1, ScottK: package set questions> I'm afraid I need to discuss that with cjwatson once he's back from vacation; the overlaps are intended, but I'm not sure why some key packages are missing
[07:43] <pitti> so I'll answer next week
[07:44] <cjwatson> pitti: I was back from vacation yesterday
[07:45] <cjwatson> pitti: but I do not see the questions you're responding to in my scrollback
[07:45] <pitti> cjwatson: oh, oh u-devel@, wrt. "ubuntu-desktop team members can now upload"
[07:48] <pitti> cjwatson: I actually noticed the same: gnome-panel can't be uploaded by -desktop, only by -core; but it is in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.lucid/desktop
[07:48] <pitti> (I understood that the package sets are derived from seeds?)
[07:52] <dholbach> good morning
[07:52] <mvo> hey dholbach!
[07:52] <dholbach> hi mvo
[07:57] <cjwatson> pitti: indeed, but gnome-panel also builds a library that's used all over the place, so *shrug*
[07:58] <pitti> ah, ok
[07:58] <pitti> so it's due to the overlap with xubuntu, etc.
[07:58] <cjwatson> no
[07:58] <cjwatson> overlaps don't cause something to go to core
[07:58] <cjwatson> it's because the reverse (build-)dependency chain from libpanel-applet leads into core, somewhere along the line
[07:59] <cjwatson> the test is "can you break core by uploading this source package?"
[07:59] <cjwatson> since gnome-panel really is a fairly fundamental platformish package loosely disguised as desktop, I don't feel too bad about it
[08:00] <pitti> ok, thanks for the heads-up
[08:00] <pitti> cjwatson: what defines "core"?
[08:00] <cjwatson> I think superm1 has found at least one genuine bug
[08:01] <pitti> core> minimal and standard seeds?
[08:01] <pitti> hm, no, that wouldn't grab panel
[08:01] <cjwatson> platform.lucid/(required,minimal,boot,standard,d-i-requirements,installer,build-essential,language-packs,supported-(development,kernel,(hardware,installer,network,sysadmin)-common)) right now
[08:02] <cjwatson> we can change some of that, but I think reducing down to standard would be too far
[08:02] <pitti> agreed
[08:02] <cjwatson> besides, build-dependencies do still tend to suck in a lot of the world surprisingly quickly
[08:02] <cjwatson> look at the build-dep graph for just the kernel sometime :)
[08:03] <pitti> I just wondered where this is defined
[08:03] <cjwatson> in a branch I need to push somewhere more sensible than cocoplum:~cjwatson/packagesets/
[08:03] <pitti> it's a miracle that it doesn't pull in gtk -- yet
[08:04] <pitti> ah, seed_sets in packageset-report
[08:39] <rossera> hi
[08:41] <rossera> I'd like to learn C, have you any suggestion?
[08:43] <directhex> rossera, a good textbook. and somewhat offtopic for this channel
[08:46] <rossera> I see. thanks
[08:56] <matgeek> Hi!   I am a DD that wants to help out with IPv6 support in Ubuntu, testing Lucid for functionality.  Is there a blueprint for any of this ples?  May I write one?
[08:59] <pitti> hey matgeek; I don't think that we specifically discussed IPv6 at UDS; my gut feeling is that problems with it should be handled through bug reports, unless there's some large architectural change that you plan?
[09:01] <matgeek> pitti:  No,Just want to vet functionality. Create a how to.  Pull a few IPv6 auto address functionality packages from universe to supported.
[09:02] <matgeek> pitti: IPv6 is coming quickly here in NZ.  My ISP is running trials.  I have the background and expertise to do this sort of work.
[09:03] <pitti> great to hear that it's getting some real-life adoption!
[09:03] <matgeek> pitti:  Have developed and maintained OSPF for a router and zebra/quagga.  Ran IPSEC for NZ EEC using openswan.
[09:04] <matgeek> pitti:  I have what s needed to do this properly.
[09:04] <pitti> that's great, thanks for looking into that
[09:05] <matgeek> pitti: Who would I talk to to organise this?
[09:06] <pitti> matgeek: until there are concrete bug reports, I'd say that discussing it on ubuntu-devel@ would be best
[09:07] <pitti> to make some more IPv6 literate people aware, and coordinate testing
[09:08] <matgeek> pitti:  Is there a place in the Ubuntu community wiki to start organising some documentation?  I want to document how to set up lucid for this, as well as create patches for any show stoppers that I find.
[09:09] <pitti> matgeek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPv6 is a starting point, so feel free to create https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPv6/Testing or something such
[09:13] <matgeek> pitti:  Cool!  Thanks!  I will start from there.  Testing basic IPv6 on lucid, and how it would run on home lan etc.
[09:14] <matgeek> pitti:  We need to get Ipv6 smooth as to maintain Ubuntu's reputation.
[09:14]  * pitti wishes that German T-Online would finally offer IPv6, too
[09:15] <fagan> IPV6 still hasnt got around enough so its kinda hard to test
[09:18] <matgeek> fagan:  Yes I know, but I think I can make sure that lucid works well enough out of the box.  Within a year we will be seeing a lot more IPv6.  I just want to make sure that all the basica packages needed are supported etc, and file bugs where needed, and fix show stoppers.
[09:19] <fagan> true but do a lot of testers have IPv6?
[09:23] <matgeek> fagan:  Not yet.  I am a Debian Developer with a background in networking, IPSEC, and zebra/quagga OSPF development.
[09:23] <matgeek> fagan:  should be able to test things using few virtual machines, and map things out.
[09:24] <fagan> I dont think virtual machines can emulate them
[09:24]  * fagan checks
[09:24] <pitti> hm, host <-> VM should work with IPv6
[09:25] <pitti> but kvm doesn't set up interfaces on the host side by default
[09:25] <pitti> I think there's a way to do that, though; I'm sure that kirkland would know :)
[09:29] <matgeek> pitti:  Already doing it with kvm!!.  I will keep quiet for a few days, and get back after exploring more, there looks like there may be quite a community using   IPv6 with Ubuntu.
[09:31] <pitti> ogra: still remember the modprobe -b change that you did to pm-utils ages ago? I forwarded that to https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25254, but there's no explanation why the change was done
[09:31] <pitti> ogra: what was the actual problem there? (rationale is that a module which was loaded before should be loaded afterwards)
[10:22] <apw> MacSlow, yo ... i hear you know about OSD
[10:23] <MacSlow> apw, sadly ;)
[10:23] <apw> MacSlow, does OSD take any X grabs in its life cycle showing popups etc?
[10:23] <MacSlow> apw, no
[10:24] <apw> MacSlow, just had a permenant hang of my OSD (and got a core off it), trying to understand how it can trigger unresponsivness in applications which don't use it
[10:24] <MacSlow> *shrugg*
[10:24] <apw> i've added the core to bug #347444
[10:25] <apw> its getting more and more frequent over time
[10:25] <MacSlow> apw, the only bug I know of (and have not yet been able to fix) is it stalling something on DBus
[10:26] <apw> it seems supprising gnome-terminal would use dbus, but anything is possible
[10:26] <MacSlow> apw, I even asked DBus-experts about possible causes for this... no clear answer as of yet
[10:27] <apw> so do we know what osd is trying to do when it goes non-responsive?
[10:27]  * apw is suspicious that its going non-responsive when its queue gets large
[10:27] <pitti> apw: I take it I should add https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/LucidTasks to kernel work item scanning?
[10:28] <apw> pitti, yep that is the roll up ... i meant to tell you about it
[10:28] <ogra> pitti, -b makes modprobe respect the blacklist files
[10:28] <MacSlow> apw, nope
[10:28] <pitti> ogra: right, but why?
[10:28] <apw> MacSlow, well there is a core file on the bug now, of it mid hang, so we should be able to tell from that right
[10:28] <ogra> pitti, well, if a module is blacklisted i dont want it to be loaded
[10:28] <pitti> ogra: if a module was loaded before suspend, shouldn't it be loaded after resume, regardless of blacklisting?
[10:29] <MacSlow> apw, an isolated test-case triggering this bug in notify-osd would be a good start... sofar nobody was able to provide such
[10:29] <ogra> pitti, but it shouldnt be loaded before suspend, if it was, thats wrong ...
[10:29] <apw> MacSlow, i have tried hard to get it, and i get it about once a week on average, and cannot find a simple trigger for sure
[10:29] <ogra> unless i misunderstand what a blacklist is for
[10:29] <pitti> ogra: right, but if it is, you apparently loaded it manually
[10:30] <pitti> blacklist should be for suppressing auto-loading
[10:30] <ogra> right
[10:30] <pitti> but pm-utils just restores the situation as it was before suspend
[10:30] <ogra> it didnt when i supplied that patch
[10:30] <pitti> ogra: I thought it was for not loading blacklisted module dependencies, etc.
[10:31] <ogra> if thats different today then the -b isnt needed
[10:31] <pitti> ogra: ok, thank you
[10:31] <pitti> apw: so it is on http://piware.de/workitems/kernel/lucid/report.html now
[10:32] <apw> pitti, most excellent
[10:32] <pitti> apw: right now, wiki page WIs can't have assignees (not sure where to fit them in), so they appear as "nobody"
[10:33] <pitti> if you have an idea/request how to add an assignee to it, I'm fine to add it
[10:33] <pitti> could e. g. be "assignee:apw" or so
[10:33] <pitti> but it needs a prefix or other special marking, otherwise any word in a table row could be considered an assignee
[10:33] <apw> pitti, well for my purposes i exposed INPROGRESS and added allowed it to be INPROGRESS apw
[10:34] <apw> pitti, though the other option would be to simply follow the current plan [apw] at the beginning of the descriptio
[10:34] <pitti> that would work too, right
[10:34] <apw> pitti, does it work now?
[10:35] <pitti> not  with current workitems.py
[10:35] <pitti> but I can hack it in
[10:35] <pitti> (TODO|INPROGRESS|POSTPONED) (.*) ||
[10:35] <pitti> where the middle .* would be the assignee
[10:36] <apw> yeah that is what i am doing as things stand
[10:36] <apw> my version of your workitems doesn't flatten INPROGRESS to TODO as i care which are being worked
[10:37] <pitti> I'll fix that as well
[10:37] <apw> pitti, i am also parsing out the wiki pages in a slightly differnt way
[10:37] <apw> one which lets me see the titles of the sections so our page shows up as four sections on my report
[10:38] <pitti> apw: oh, hang on, it just looks for DONE/POSTPONED, and treats everything else as TODO
[10:38] <pitti> so it works with INPROGRESS
[10:38] <apw> for my purpose i need to tell them appart at the consumer of that API so i've frigged it to keep that too
[10:38] <apw> i use the same data to produce this:
[10:38] <apw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid
[10:39] <apw> note the two tables below your burn down chart
 (TODO|INPROGRESS|POSTPONED) (.*) ||   <-- note that this is probabally needs to be
[10:40] <apw> (TODO|INPROGRESS|POSTPONED)( (.*))? ||
[10:43] <pitti> ok, added
[10:44] <pitti> apw: http://piware.de/workitems/kernel/lucid/report.html -> one less for "nobody", one more for you now
[10:44] <apw> pitti, 'yay'
[10:45] <apw> pitti, how do you determine the owner of the blueprnt, doesn't seem to be a workitems.py call for it :)
[10:46] <pitti> apw: it's done in get_blueprint_workitems()
[10:46] <pitti>     assignee_re = re.compile('')
[10:46] <apw> hrrm
[10:46] <pitti>             m = assignee_re.search(l)
[10:46] <pitti>             if m:
[10:46] <pitti>                 default_assignee = m.group(1)
[10:46] <pitti> (yay screenscaping)
[10:47] <apw> pitti, how does that hit the assignee and not any of the other people in there
[10:47] <apw> there are what 4 names on that page?
[10:48] <pitti> apw: the check above it
[10:48] <pitti>         if '
Assignee:' in l:
[10:48] <pitti>             found_assignee = True
[10:48] <pitti> it's really a quick'n'dirty hack
[10:48] <apw> ahh ...
[10:48] <apw> ok i don't have that in my version
[10:48] <pitti> but I didn't feel like setting up proper XML parsing and xpath
[10:48] <apw> could you zap me a new one :)
[10:48] <pitti> "zap"?
[10:48] <apw> heh no, i am sure its close enough
[10:49] <apw> point me at a new copy, can't remember how i got the previous one even if it was 2 days ago
[10:50] <pitti> apw: http://piware.de/bzr/bin/workitems.py
[10:50] <pitti> (it's also on WorkItemsHowto)
[10:50] <pitti> it's a bzr branch, too (although that has all my other ~/bin/ crap)
[10:50] <apw> sorry i am soo lazy
[10:50] <pitti> apw: np :)
[10:50] <apw> you interested in being able to get status and title for each group in the wiki page?
[10:50] <apw> i've got a fn which looks at the wiki page as a collection of groups not one big group
[10:51] <pitti> group -> any heading?
[10:51] <pitti> yes, that could be useful
[10:51] <pitti> in the report, the wiki page could appear as one line per wiki page section instead of just one line for the entire page
[10:51] <apw> yeah i am using the == xxx == as the title of the blueprint, the text before the table as the blueprint status: text, and the table as you do
[10:52] <apw> yeah thats exactly what i do in my lucid status page
[10:52] <apw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid
[10:52] <pitti> if the Kubuntu guys tweak their page a bit, it'd work for them, too
[10:52] <apw> the last four groups in the two tables are the sub sections in the wiki page
[10:53] <apw> yeah
[10:54] <apw> i'll clean up what i ahve here and send it back to you so you can see what i am doing
[10:58] <pitti> apw: I think I'll register a proper project for it on LP now, and create a branch with workitems.py, the chart generator, etc.
[10:59] <pitti> gosh, blocker: how to name it
[10:59] <apw> pitti, hehehe
[10:59] <apw> something burner
[10:59] <pitti> launchpad.net/manager-sleeping-pill
[10:59] <apw> it makes them happy right ... so manager-upper
[11:00] <pitti> manager-burner!
[11:00] <pitti> *cough*
[11:01] <apw> work-burner
[11:01] <apw> time-burner
[11:02] <apw> item-burner
[11:02] <apw> bah hard
[11:02] <apw> call it off, too difficult
[11:02] <pitti> https://edge.launchpad.net/work-items-tracker
[11:02] <apw> pyburner
[11:02] <apw> heheh
[11:02] <pitti> I know, boring
[11:04] <apw> pitti, there is a standard way to say 'i am a program' isn't there?
[11:04] <pitti> you mean #! ?
[11:05] <apw> normally main is included in something like 'if package == 'main':' so you can use it as a library
[11:05] <pitti> ah
[11:05] <pitti> if __name__ == '__main__':
[11:05] <apw> could we get that added :)  so i can use it as a library :
[11:05] <apw> yeah that thing
[11:05] <pitti> sure; let me finish set up the branch, etc., then I'll commit it
[11:06] <pitti> $ bzr commit -m 'workitems: check if called as a program'
[11:10] <jussi01> cjwatson: may I just remind you about the change to the Ubuntu Studio iso status mails that we talked about at UDS.
[11:12] <apw> pitti, is there an appoved syntax for more than one assignee?  [foo] [bar] or [foo, bar] or ?
[11:12] <pitti> there's no concept for this right now
[11:13] <pitti> [canonical-kernel-team] perhaps?
[11:13] <pitti> it'd need a DB schema extension
[11:13] <pitti> https://launchpad.net/work-items-tracker set up, with bzr get lp:work-items-tracker
[11:14] <pitti> you can commit
[11:14] <apw> pitti, ok thank will avoid multiple users for now :)
[11:20] <apw> pitti, most excellent i now have assignee's across the board
[11:23] <pitti> wiki howto page updated
[11:49] <cjwatson> jussi01: you mean making them not be sent when there are no problems? I did that a few days ago
[11:51] <jussi01> cjwatson: I received no problems found both today and yesterday
[11:52] <fasta> I installed glibc-doc, but apropos printf doesn't return the right manpage.
[11:53] <cjwatson> fasta: printf(3) is in manpages-dev not glibc-doc
[11:53] <cjwatson> jussi01: huh, odd
[11:53] <fasta> cjwatson, ok, thanks. Is there some easy way to know that next time?
[11:54] <jussi01> cjwatson: yeah, curious. just for clarification, this is a mail with the title: Ubuntu Studio daily CD health check
[11:54] <jussi01> Ive received it every day for a long time ;)
[11:54] <cjwatson> fasta: packages.ubuntu.com, or you could just use manpages.ubuntu.com
[11:54] <cjwatson> jussi01: fixed
[11:55] <jussi01> cjwatson: excellent. thank you.
[11:55] <cjwatson> (properly this time, tested)
[11:55] <jussi01> :)
[11:57] <fasta> cjwatson, then I am curious what exactly you typed in on packages.ubuntu.com.
[11:57] <cjwatson> fasta: *I* didn't, because I knew the answer
[11:58] <fasta> cjwatson, ok, ok. One should be able to ask the packages.ubuntu.com system "manpage printf" and get the right answer.
[11:58] <fasta> (that doesn't work, btw)
[11:58] <cjwatson> "Search the contents of packages" -> Keyword "printf.3" -> "packages that contain files whose names contain the keyword"
[11:58] <cjwatson> fasta: manpages.ubuntu.com is much, much better at that particular kind of thing
[11:58] <cjwatson> since, you know, you then get the man page too
[11:59] <cjwatson> it's a bit too specific for packages.u.c
[11:59] <cjwatson> manpages.ubuntu.com tells you which package it's in, too
[11:59] <fasta> cjwatson, ah, nice. That was what I needed.
[12:17] <apw> somewhere there is a report on bugs which have upstream links, can anyone remember where it is?
[12:21] <cjwatson> apw: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+upstreamreport
[12:23] <apw> cjwatson, thats the summary, somewhere there is a breakout
[12:23] <apw> by upstream bug #
[12:45] <cjwatson> StevenK: your cdimage changes are OK as long as we never need to rebuild old ubuntu-netbook-remix images (because you've removed the ability to do so). You broke the #! line in make-web-indices, though
[12:45] <cjwatson> StevenK: please let me know when you do the unr -> netbook seed collection change, as that's going to involve changes in a bunch of places
[12:50] <slnr> hi
[12:50] <slnr> I have a problem with my ubuntu desktop
[12:50] <slnr> In installation of some package I screwed up my desktop
[12:50] <slnr> by mistake uninstalled the gtk
[12:50] <slnr> My desktop is now not appearing
[12:51] <slnr> how to solve the problem?
[12:51] <ebroder> slnr: This isn't a support channel - if you need help using Ubuntu, you should ask in #ubuntu
[12:54] <slnr> oh
[12:54] <slnr> thanks
[12:54] <slnr> Sure I shall login and contact that channel
[13:00] <twb> Looking at LTS+1 today, I notice an "abrowser" which appears to be the equivalent of Debian's iceweasel.  Where can I find an explanation for why Ubuntu chose to unbrand Ubuntu in a different way to Debian?
[13:12] <Keybuk> ooh, second ubuntu theme music of the day from upstairs
[13:13] <Keybuk> twb: isn't "firefox" our equivalent of "iceweasel"?
[13:17] <soren> Keybuk: We have an unbranded version of Firefox.
[13:18] <soren> Keybuk: That is not to say that our version of Firefox is unbranded, but rather that we have an unbranded version as well as the branded version.
[13:18] <Keybuk> ah
[13:19] <twb> Oh.  I assumed firefox-branding was there as part of a transition, because you were tired of MoCo being asses.
[13:19] <cjwatson> twb: as I understand it, it's because we're based off upstream rather than Debian (because Mozilla wanted us to do a better job of patch forwarding in order to use their trademark), and calling it "iceweasel" implied that we were based on the Debian package
[13:19] <twb> cjwatson: that makes sense
[13:20] <cjwatson> and we didn't want to maintain two entirely separate packages, but rather one with tweakable branding
[13:20] <twb> From what I've seen of the Debian packaging, the bit that isn't xulrunner is pretty small anyway
[13:24] <cjwatson> this was a while back, I don't know what it would be like if we did it now
[13:28] <StevenK> cjwatson: Yeah, I broke it on purpose. And yes, the unr -> netbook change requires LP and tasksel changes too
[13:31] <jdstrand> pwnguin: re firefox and apparmor> file a bug against firefox-3.5, and tag it with 'apparmor'. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingApparmor for details
[13:53] <souffledev> mkfs.ext4dev. what exactly does it do besides creating an ext4 fs?
[13:53] <souffledev> as opposed to mkfs.ext4
[13:57] <souffledev> experimental; now that's something
[13:57] <souffledev> :/
[14:00] <cjwatson> pitti: do I need to poke you for a regeneration when we *add* work items, as opposed to completing them?
[14:01] <pitti> cjwatson: in general, no; however, you should poke me when you are "by and large" done with setting up WIs, so that I can trash the db and start over, or alternatively adjust the start position of the trend line
[14:01] <cjwatson> ok
[14:01] <pitti> by default it starts at the #done value of the first day
[14:01] <pitti> I expect that I'll remove all the DBs next Monday and from then on we start to really track them
[14:06] <cjwatson> cody-somerville: could you please change platform.karmic -> platform.lucid in xubuntu.lucid/STRUCTURE?
[14:06] <cjwatson> superm1: could you please change platform.karmic -> platform.lucid in mythbuntu.lucid/STRUCTURE?
[14:06] <cjwatson> (it would be great if core-devs could change that ...)
[14:07]  * cjwatson wonders if it would be feasible for python2.4 to build-dep on emacs23 rather than emacs22 ...
[14:07] <cjwatson> and indeed python2.5 as well
[14:11] <Daviey> cjwatson: Is that on lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/platform.lucid ?
[14:12] <cjwatson> Daviey: xubuntu.lucid
[14:12] <cjwatson> er, specifically lp:~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.lucid
[14:13] <Daviey> (mythbuntu)
[14:13] <cjwatson> or lp:~mythbuntu/ubuntu-seeds/mythbuntu.lucid
[14:18] <Daviey> cjwatson: pushed, lp:~mythbuntu/ubuntu-seeds/mythbuntu.lucid rev 1185
[14:18] <Daviey> superm1: ^^
[14:21] <cjwatson> Daviey: thanks
[14:27] <primes2h> whois saix7
[14:27] <primes2h> ops
[14:42] <tormod> Keybuk, from our discussion last night I still don't understand why drm initialising/gdm starting works on intel and not on radeon
[14:42] <Tm_T> tormod: I heard there's been similar issues with nVidia too
[14:43] <Tm_T> well, don't know if similar but some issues anyway
[14:43] <tormod> I wonder if there some specific tweaks somewhere, or if its just that intel has KMS by default or is loaded earlier
[14:47] <pitti> tjaalton, tseliot: I upgraded to xorg-edgers today, and it seems to completely have forgotten about transparency; all the icons etc. look weird; known?
[14:49] <tjaalton> pitti: what driver?
[14:49] <pitti> tjaalton: intel gm945
[14:50] <tjaalton> ok. I don't run edgers myself, so can't tell if it's known or not :)
[14:50] <tjaalton> probably mesa has changed
[14:50]  * tseliot doesn't run -edgers either
[14:50] <pitti> ok, nevermind
[14:51] <pitti> I just need to run it to test the udev patches
[14:51] <tormod> pitti, todays -intel has https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25031
[14:52] <pitti> 'zactly that
[14:52] <pitti> thanks!
[14:52] <tormod> I held back -intel for weeks because of this, but I guess more exposure and noise can help :)
[14:52] <tjaalton> oh, not a dri driver bug after all
[14:56] <tormod> pitti, you can still d/l the old build from the PPA
[14:59] <pitti> tormod: thanks
[14:59] <pitti> yay, hal-free xorg
[15:01] <ogra> scary
[15:08] <cjwatson> pitti: what have I missed to get foundations-lucid-ubiquity-partitioner-optimisation to show up on the burndown chart?
[15:14] <mannyv> if anyone is around and cares to weigh in on a strategy , I would like/am willing to write a little script that takes the difference between two debdiffs. debdiff  ver1 vs ver2 and debdiff ver1-ubuntu# vs ver2. This would leave only ubuntu changes that have not been incorporated into ver2
[15:15] <cjwatson> mannyv: interdiff
[15:15] <cjwatson> (patchutils package)
[15:16] <mannyv> cjwatson, I have tried interdiff  and I get this error 'interdiff: Error applying patch1 to reconstructed file'
[15:17] <nixternal> kirkland: you around to lend a hand with an enrypted disk that I can't access...something blew up last night :(
[15:17] <mannyv> of course I cant rule out that i have called it incorrectly but i have tried a few different ways
[15:19] <Keybuk> mannyv: interdiff requires that you turn thrice widdershins and annoint the computer with the yolk of a furling egg
[15:21] <mannyv> Keybuk, i was telling maco just the other day that despite everyones claim computers really are run on magic. glad you agree =)
[15:23] <Keybuk> I think the problem is that patch1 and patch2 have to have a common base
[15:23] <Keybuk> you can't take two slightly different based patches and interdiff them
[15:23] <Keybuk> bzr is easier ;)
[15:23] <ion> Yeah, definitely use a VCS.
[15:24] <mannyv> well i use it to help me see if a package can be synced
[15:24] <Keybuk> bzr can help there too ;)
[15:24] <mannyv> im listening
[15:24] <Keybuk> bzr diff --old lp:debian/pkg --new lp:ubuntu/pkg
[15:25] <ebroder> whoa - that's awesome
[15:25] <Keybuk> ebroder: you can branch, you can commit, you can push (if you have upload rights)
[15:25] <Keybuk> james_w is made of awesome
[15:26] <ebroder> Keybuk: Wait - uploads via bzr push works now? Shiny
[15:26] <Keybuk> ebroder: no, you still have to separately dput
[15:26] <Keybuk> that's one of the last key pieces (dput with bzr)
[15:26] <nixternal> kirkland: don't worry about it...I am just gonna reinstall...most of my stuff was under one vcs or another, so it shouldn't be all that devistating
[15:26] <ebroder> do what does it mean to push to lp:ubuntu/pkg? or are you saying that i can push to my own branch?
[15:26] <ebroder> s/^do/so/
[15:27] <Keybuk> ebroder: it publishes the code *with revision control history*
[15:27] <Keybuk> so if you merged from debian
[15:27] <Keybuk> and added other patches
[15:27] <Keybuk> and committed each separately, then the push means the next person to branch gets your history too
[15:27] <Keybuk> otherwise if you just upload, you get a new revision that contains your entire upload as one diff
[15:28] <ebroder> Keybuk: interesting. so if i push to lp:ubuntu/pkg, and then upload, will there be an additional no-op commit from the dput?
[15:28] <Keybuk> no
[15:29] <cjwatson> mannyv: then fix interdiff rather than writing a new script, please :)
[15:29] <ebroder> i guess it doesn't create the commit if there's no diff or something?
[15:29] <cjwatson> we don't need multiple programs for the same job that are broken in different ways
[15:29] <cjwatson> but yes, there's bzr too
[15:30] <cjwatson> patch1 and patch2 don't *actually* have to have a completely common base for interdiff to work; there's a good deal of heuristics in there
[15:30] <cjwatson> but sometimes it does run into trouble
[15:32] <mok0> I'd like to change the kernel personality of my workstation to server. What's the best way to do that?
[15:33] <pitti> cjwatson: o_O but it's already there?
[15:35] <cjwatson> pitti: hmm, I guess the delay was just longer than I expected; I swear it wasn't there when I asked
[15:35] <pitti> cjwatson: it's not running hourly yet, since that would spam everyone with "blabla has no work items" every hour
[15:35] <pitti> (please tell me when to move it to hourly)
[15:35] <cjwatson> ebroder: zero-change commits won't happen, and if you tag the upload commit in bzr then it won't even try
[15:35] <cjwatson> pitti: for foundations, I can cope with mail spam
[15:36] <pitti> cjwatson: does that mean "do it"? :-)
[15:36] <cjwatson> yes please, assuming it's a separate cron job for each team
[15:37] <pitti> it is; done
[15:37] <cjwatson> thanks
[15:45] <sbalneav> tkamppeter: ping
[15:54] <mok0> Hm, that was easy
[16:19] <zubin71> Hello, i`d like some help
[16:19] <zubin71> any1 here?
[16:20] <Tm_T> zubin71: help is generally done in #ubuntu
[16:20] <zubin71> Tm_T : https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/488769
[16:20] <zubin71> ubottu : i was looking at the same
[16:21] <Tm_T> zubin71: what about that?
[16:21] <zubin71> Tm_T : wont changing a termios value do the trick... a modified sudo?
[16:23] <ion> It’s a feature and GUI programs should do the same IMO. :-P
[16:23] <zubin71> Tm_T : make a getch() using getchar() with modified termios values; display * instead of nothing...
[16:24] <Tm_T> zubin71: you should tell that in bug report, right?
[16:24] <zubin71> Tm_T : im sorry but i dont know how to submit bug reports or contribute? :-(
[16:25] <zubin71> Tm_T : could you help?
[16:25] <cjwatson> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[16:26] <zubin71> cjwatson : thnkx but i generally get only a few hours more online for today... could sm1 whos done it gimme a crash course... id appreciate it if you could...
[16:26] <Tm_T> zubin71: basically, get yourself launchpad account and comment in that bug report
[16:27] <zubin71> Tm_T : done
[16:27] <zubin71> Tm_T : commenting as we speak
[16:31] <zubin71> Tm_T : done
[16:32] <Tm_T> zubin71: good (:
[16:42] <Riddell> pitti: work-items-tracker will still work with the same wiki table format Kubuntu used in karmic?
[16:58] <pitti> Riddell: yes, it does; you can now additionally specify an assignee right after the status, but that's it
[17:00] <pwnguin> jdstrand: I tried but LP decided to timeout instead =(
[17:04] <tkamppeter> sbalneav: hi
[17:07] <kirkland> pitti: nixternal: here now, briefly
[17:07] <kirkland> nixternal: don't need my help now?
[17:07] <nixternal> kirkland: nah, I just reformatted my system
[17:07] <nixternal> needed to grab some files before doing so, but oh well...I kind of like having a clean system :)
[17:08] <kirkland> nixternal: ;-)
[17:08] <kirkland> nixternal: was it lvm encryption?
[17:08] <pitti> kirkland: enjoy turkey day!
[17:08] <nixternal> my system almost caught fire last night...so hot I could have cooked a turkey on it...it shut down, but when I went to fire it up, it would just freeze on encrypted /home...went to the livecd and tried fixing it, but nothing I tried work
[17:08] <nixternal> so, I gave up :)
[17:08] <nixternal> it was encryption from the alt cd
[17:08] <Riddell> pitti: how do you mean specify an assignee after the status?  previously we had it before the status https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Karmic
[17:08] <nixternal> I don't know all, heck any, of the encryption termonology...I am quite stupid in that arena :)
[17:09] <pitti> Riddell: in karmic, wiki pages could not have an assignee
[17:09] <pitti> Riddell: it was sort of arbitrarily invented by apw
[17:09] <zubin71> any idea where the password input is taken in the sudo package?
[17:09] <pitti> Riddell: well, they could have one, of course, but it wasn't parsed into the work item tracker
[17:10] <Riddell> pitti: so I should just swap those two columns around?
[17:10] <pwnguin> zubin71: likely pam_unix.so
[17:10] <zubin71> more specifically, any idea where verify_user() is defined?
[17:11] <pitti> Riddell: right now it understands || TODO jr ||
[17:11] <pitti> Riddell: if you want it to keep in a separate column, we need to invent syntax like assignee:jr
[17:11] <pitti> Riddell: we don't know which column is the assignee otherwise
[17:12] <ogra> mumble ...
[17:12] <ogra> why is brasero uninstallable
[17:13] <Riddell> pitti: ok that's fine with that syntax
[17:18] <Riddell> pitti: is a blank cell correctly interprited as not started?
[17:18] <pitti> Riddell: yes
[17:18] <pitti> Riddell: anything other than "DONE" or "POSTPONED" counts as "TODO", since people were using "WIP" and such
[17:19] <Riddell> groovy
[17:20] <ogra> pitti, WIP ? why not WHIP ? :)
[17:30]  * pitti -> off for today
[17:34] <MsMaco> ebroder: remember all those version string changes on openafs? Bug 488675
[17:35] <ebroder> MsMaco: Yeah - what about them?
[17:35] <ebroder> the version string changes were for module-assistant, not dkms
[17:36] <MsMaco> ebroder: so is it working out to one version string makes m-a happy and the other makes dkms happy and they cant agree?
[17:36] <MsMaco> im getting rather confused
[17:36] <ebroder> no, dkms was always unhappy
[17:36] <ebroder> the version number changes didn't make it happy
[17:36] <MsMaco> ohok
[17:36] <ebroder> the fix to 463429 should make dkms happy, though
[17:37] <MsMaco> i thought dkms was happy before and is now unhappy
[17:37] <ebroder> no, openafs-modules-dkms has always been unhappy after the first time it fails
[17:38] <zubin71> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/488864 ; please help find a suitable location for the file
[17:38] <ebroder> zubin71: uh...isn't that the lecture_file setting?
[17:39] <zubin71> ebroder : oh! sorry... my mistake...
[17:40] <sbalneav> tkamppeter: Hey there, sorry, was in a meeting.  I'm digging into bug# 307471...
[17:40] <sbalneav> So, part of the problem associated with this bug has to do with the entire pstopdf subsystem.
[17:41] <sbalneav> Specifically, the fact that pstopdf completely ignores/strips any %%IncludeFeature directives.  In fact, it ignores most %%'s.
[17:43] <sbalneav> So what I was wondering was: what was the purpose of moving to the pstopdf system in the first place?  What problem were we trying to solve by doing that?  And, more specifically, what will I break if I adjust some mime.convs to have OPenOffice.org files bypass the pstopdf, and simply pass through the pstops filter?
[18:12] <tkamppeter> sbalneav: The PDF workflow was introduced as PDF is a more modern format: More reliable to tell pages apart to do page management (n-up, selected pages, ...), more compact, better color management support, ...
[18:13] <tkamppeter> sbalneav: I was not aware that there are programs which implement page overrides (option settings valid only for certain pages) in their PostScript output.
[18:15] <MsMaco> ebroder: hey congrats
[18:19] <ebroder> MsMaco: Thanks :)
[18:20] <ebroder> Time to celebrate by breaking openafs :-P
[18:21] <sbalneav> tkamppeter: OpenOffice would be one for sure.  Multi-bin printing is a required feature for most businesses
[18:23] <sbalneav> I've developed a patch for the pstops bug.  I can develop a patch to have openoffice.org bypass the pstopdf filter, and go directly on to pstops.  Would this be OK?  I'll file a separate bug & patch for that one.
[18:44] <ebroder> Hmm...how do I join ubuntu-universe-sponsors? I swear there was an "apply to this team" button before I got added to motu...
[18:49] <tsimpson> ebroder: it's a restricted team, which mean only a team administrator can add new members
[18:50] <ebroder> tsimpson: Huh, I guess it is. I suppose I'll e-mail the team owner, then
[19:47] <tkamppeter> sbalneav: Can you put up all your patches somewhere? Then I will check.
[20:05] <sbalneav> tkamppeter: Yes, I'll add the patches (when upstream approves them) on Bug 307471.  I'll file a separate bug for the mime.convs issue, and reverence that from the bug as well.  I'll attach the patches to the bugs.
[21:33] <Wandaround> hiya
[21:33] <Wandaround> anyone active?
[21:34] <Wandaround> hello?
[21:38] <Wandaround> hi there anyone active?
[21:38] <Tm_T> why asking?
[21:38] <Wandaround> i''l take that as a no.
[21:38] <Wandaround> ah
[21:38] <Wandaround> hi there
[21:38] <Wandaround> i just wanted to say to the dev team....
[21:39] <Wandaround> every time i use the live cd it resets my clock to GMT
[21:39] <Wandaround> i live in australia
[21:39] <Wandaround> i have to go back and reset the clock myself when i reboot to doze
[21:39] <Wandaround> its not a huge issue.... just something to put on a todo list
[21:40] <beuno> Wandaround, sounds like you need to file a bug
[21:40] <Wandaround> where do i do that
[21:40] <Wandaround> and how?
[21:40] <Wandaround> i am a noob with ubuntu
[21:45] <Wandaround> found the channel
[21:45] <Wandaround> bye
[22:56] <lamont> neat.  it would appear that karmic gdm totally ignores non-passwd users...
[23:05] <seb128> lamont, what do you call non passwd users? and what do you call totally ignores there?
[23:07] <lamont> passwd:         compat db <-- seb128
[23:07] <lamont> the users defined in 'db' seem to be, um, missing
[23:08] <seb128> lamont, if you type the user and password in "others" does it work?
[23:08] <seb128> lamont, what is the uid used there?
[23:08] <lamont> well, the only thing on the screen is the uid=1000 user, which is locked out, and no option to change that
[23:08] <seb128> weird
[23:08] <lamont> remind me how to turn off the display of the users and make them type their username?
[23:08] <seb128> you should have an "other" entry
[23:09] <lamont> no menu at all
[23:09] <seb128> in the user list?
[23:09] <lamont> just one user
[23:09] <lamont> access prefs and shutdown/restart options on the bottom pannel bar
[23:09] <seb128> at the bottom of the user list you should have a "other..."
[23:09] <lamont> panel even
[23:09] <lamont> I have no user list
[23:10] <lamont> I have a blob that is the one user
[23:10] <lamont> or the machine name... (that being the user name for the uid=1000 user)
[23:10] <lamont> on the bright side, this is the kids computer, not the wife
[23:10] <lamont> s
[23:11] <seb128> lamont, http://www.ubuntulinux.fr/public/Graphismes/karmic/gdm910.png
[23:11] <seb128> it should looks similar to that
[23:11] <lamont> doesn't.  let me grab a photo
[23:12] <seb128> robert_ancell, ^ do you know about cases where "others" is not displayed?
[23:13]  * robert_ancell reading
[23:14] <robert_ancell> seb128, no, afaik it should always be displayed
[23:19] <seb128> lamont, the new gdm lists only uids >= 1000
[23:19] <seb128> but dunno why you don't have the others item
[23:19] <lamont> seb128: http://people.debian.org/~lamont/IMG_0267.JPG
[23:20] <lamont> uids in question are 2500-2505 or so
[23:20] <seb128> weird
[23:20] <lamont> iz jaunty machine upgraded to karmic
[23:20] <seb128> the theme you get is not the ubuntu one either
[23:20] <lamont> and prolly started life as feisty or gusty, maybe as late as hardy
[23:20] <lamont> and getting dragged to thanksgiving dinner
[23:21] <seb128> lamont, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/445123
[23:21] <seb128> lamont, there is the gconf command to switch to text entry in that bug
[23:21] <seb128> lamont, enjoy
[23:21] <lamont> thanks - that'll get them past the immediate pane
[23:21] <lamont> pain, too
[23:55] <dtchen> hmm, isn't 'bzr revert' supposed to revert the most recently committed rev?
[23:55] <dtchen> oops, wrong channel
[23:59] <cyphermox> dtchen, i think you mean bzr uncommit


[15:53] <zaki> wb RemonShai and dipraw
[15:54] <RemonShai> ty zaki vai ;)
[15:55] <RemonShai>  zaki vai, SD card recovery excrement failed :(
[16:34] <zaki> RemonShai: which app u tryied?
[16:56] <RemonShai> testdisk
[17:06] <zaki> wb pavlushka
[17:07] <pavlushka> Thanks zaki :)\
[17:08] <zaki> wc
[19:15] <zaki> good night guys..


[01:11] <CIA-2> debian-installer: cjwatson * r948 ubuntu/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Move mainline architectures to 2.6.26-5 kernels.
[01:17] <CIA-2> debian-installer: cjwatson * r949 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20080522ubuntu8
[01:22] <kirkland> What calls grub-install in the installer?
[01:22] <kirkland> my grep's are not turning up the culprit
[06:34] <persia> kirkland: I'm still very much just learning d-i, but I'd suspect bootloader.sh
[06:39] <kirkland> persia: interesting, okay i'll check it
[06:39] <kirkland> grub-installer looks like what i need
[06:39] <kirkland> i'm also wondering what generates devices.map
[06:39] <persia> Ah.  Sorry.  I misread your question entirely, and substituted "grub-install" with "grub-installer" internally :)
[06:40] <kirkland> ;-)  np
[06:40] <persia> I think devices.map would be generated by grub during the grub-install call.
[06:40] <persia> At least that's the way MIC does it (although MIC should very much *not* be used as an example of how to write an installer)