[00:01] <excelsiora> yay, rebooted without any boot options!
[00:03] <excelsiora> boo, shortcut keys don't work, and the screen is bright, she's gonna complain about that...
[00:06] <guiverc> excelsiora, fyi: `sudo apt upgrade` has limits to what it can upgrade; use `dist-upgrade` or `full-upgrade` to remove the restrictions/limits
[00:06] <excelsiora> eh...
[00:07] <excelsiora> I want LTS so I don't have to worry about any issues...
[00:08] <guiverc> dist-upgrade will not bump your release (unless you modified your sources.list to point to a later release)
[00:10] <guiverc> from `man apt`  it says "full-upgrade performs the function of upgrade but will remove currently installed packages if this is needed to upgrade the system as a whole."  (ie. fewer restictions)
[00:12] <excelsiora> And this is a bug-free operation?
[00:13] <guiverc> full-upgrade is more secure aware; but you're more likely to need to reboot after it, so upgrade allows you to perform some & delay the full-upgrade to a more appropriate time...
[00:13] <Ben64> you don't "need" to reboot
[00:14] <guiverc> restart services... (rebooting was a lazy option sorry; s/secure/security)
[00:14] <Ben64> i mean, you don't even need to restart services
[00:14] <Ben64> everything will continue to work
[00:17] <excelsiora> I found the file to edit to make the screen dimmer!
[00:17] <excelsiora> still gotta make the shortcut keys work though...
[00:19] <excelsiora> Is this supposed to make those keys work?
[00:19] <excelsiora> i.e. it could?
[00:24] <excelsiora> sudo apt full-upgrade did nothing :P
[00:24] <EriC^^> excelsiora: are you aware of xbacklight?
[00:25] <excelsiora> I also found a gui option to change the display brightness.
[00:25] <excelsiora> EriC^^: no?
[00:26] <EriC^^> excelsiora: if you're looking to set a shortcut key to dim/brighten the display, look into settings > keyboard shortcuts, and the command xbacklight
[00:27] <evilytwisted> hello, i have a quick question, just a disclaimer, IM NOT asking for help
[00:27] <evilytwisted> i understand that debian family tree, uses .deb files, open suse family tree uses rpm files etc..,  im not certain what arch family tree uses but i know or at least i think it shouldnt be using .deb files
[00:28] <evilytwisted> But from my distro repo, its obtaining .deb files.
[00:28] <evilytwisted> can i ask why?
[00:28] <evilytwisted> for example. im using manjaro, its a derivative of arch.  trying to update a software and its grabbing .deb file  https://pastebin.com/4vuUgjDG
[00:30] <petrzmax> Hi
[00:30] <krytarik> evilytwisted: Maybe you should ask your distro support then.
[00:30] <evilytwisted> it isnt really a support question.
[00:30] <krytarik> Well, this is #ubuntu.
[00:30] <evilytwisted> i know.
[00:31] <evilytwisted> hence of my disclaimer.
[00:31] <krytarik> So nobody here should be expected to know.
[00:31] <evilytwisted> thought maybe someone would know as you guys use .deb files
[00:31] <evilytwisted> geeze... rude much .. anyway .later
[00:32] <eblu> ok this is kind of a dumb question but
[00:33] <eblu> is it really worth it to choose the latest release over lts?
[00:33] <eblu> i'm trying to get back into ubuntu but i'm the fence about support vs features
[00:34] <leftyfb> eblu: there are many (myself included) that suggest sticking with LTS. But it's a personal preference either way. We cannot make that decision for you. Also not a support question.
[00:34] <OerHeks> that depends on your hardware, if you have that demand, there is !HWE too, to get a newer kernel in 18.04
[00:34] <guiverc> eblu, if you want the latest software, don't mind release-upgrading often (6-9 months) then you can use 18.10; but if you want your system super-stable, changing only every few years (when you release-upgrade to next LTS) then LTS maybe suits
[00:34] <eblu> ok, thanks
[00:34] <OerHeks> !hwe
[00:35] <OerHeks> or go wild with dingo 19.04 beta with kernel 5.01
[00:36] <eblu> i guess since i'm here anyway
[00:36] <eblu> how frequently does lts get backports?
[00:36] <eblu> ...never mind i probably just can google it
[00:37] <eblu> thanks though
[01:10] <vinesh> :b2
[01:17] <vinesh> :b2
[01:18] <AngelKde> b23
[01:18] <n8chavez> bingo
[01:18] <AngelKde> XD
[01:29] <Industrial> Hi. I installed the package taskd on my ubuntu server
[01:29] <Industrial> I want to run a Taskwarrior daemon and connect from it from other places (laptop, phone, etc)
[01:30] <Industrial> I see it has created a user in /etc/passwd named "Debian-taskd"
[01:30] <Industrial> I imagine this is the user it will run as
[01:30] <Industrial> 1) How do I know the service has started? `taskd status` returns nothing.
[01:31] <Industrial> 2) How do I know where the drectory with files will live that are being synced between my clients? my /home is empty.
[01:31] <Industrial> 3) Do I need to start the service manually or will it now re-start with the system?
[01:31] <mouses> Industrial: sudo systemctl will give you a list of all running daemons and their status
[01:31] <mouses> Industrial: Not sure, depends on the app - often a systemctl install daemnname will do it for you
[01:31] <Industrial> mouses: it's not in there.
[01:32] <herouxma> pragmaticenigma so rsync wouuld kind of be based on hashing and a file already backed up would be known
[01:32] <Industrial> ok
[01:32] <mouses> Industrial: start it
[01:32] <mouses> Industrial: systemctl start name
[01:33] <grashie> Does anyone know any good note taking apps , that allow various encryption types? *possible integration of Google Authenticator to access the notes as well?
[01:44] <Industrial> mouses: thanks, works.
[01:53] <mouses> Industrial: glad to help!
[01:53] <mouses> Industrial: systemctl rules, makes life easy
[02:02] <Mr_Cyclops> Hello. Any experts  here for zoneminder?
[02:04] <vader> Hi everyone. I'm on Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS
[02:04] <vader> for some reason it keeps logging into tty1 instead of tty7
[02:05] <vader> could someone please help me diagnose this strange behavior?
[02:06] <Bashing-om> vader: TTY1 is the default .. see /var/log/Xorg.0.log .
[02:06] <Sushi-san> Mr_Cyclops: that program has it's own irc channel here #zoneminder
[02:06] <Sushi-san> *its
[02:06] <Mr_Cyclops> Sushi-san, thanks much, i will try that :)
[02:07] <Sushi-san> np
[02:07] <vader12345> Bashing-om, I was under the impression that the default gnome DE runs in TTY7
[02:08] <Mr_Cyclops> vader12345, tty1 is the default for console, tty7 for X-desktop
[02:10] <vader12345> Mr_Cyclops: OK then, for some reason instead of logging into X-desktop it logs into a GUI login screen on tty1... on tty7 I have autologin without typing a password in, yet it has recently stopped working
[02:10] <Bashing-om> vader12345: There was a change to TTY1 for the GUI recently - best I recall I saw it first in 18.04 (?).
[02:43] <qwebirc45147> Hello there, I'm attempting to install Ubuntu 18.04.2 on a desktop that has a corrupt Windows OS. I followed the steps to create a bootable USB from the Ubuntu FAQ and attempted to boot it on the desktop. The desktop gives me a BIOS notification that I need to "Reboot and Select proper Boot device or Insert Boot Media in selected Boot device and press a key" ... Does anyone know what the problem could be?
[02:45] <qwebirc45147> Is anyone here?
[02:45] <excelsiora> :q
[02:46]  * the2048 waves
[02:46] <the2048> I'm here but I haven't experienced your issue or heard of it happening. Sorry man
[02:46] <mouses> qwebirc45147: my bet 1) bad install media or 2) (most likely) you forgot to set the BIOS/UEFI to boot from USB
[02:48] <qwebirc45147> appreciate the quick reply, and if it's not 1) or 2)? I've re-created the bootable USB 2-3 times and disabled the SATA and CD-ROM devices to allow it to go straight to the removable device option
[02:48] <the2048> Is the PC set up so that it'll boot from it though? (UEFI?)
[02:49] <the2048> And is it the right architecture?
[02:52] <qwebirc45147> Yup correct architecture and set up so it would load through the removable device. Tried two different bootable USB softwares (Rufus and Universal USB Installer)
[02:52] <the2048> Hmm
[02:53] <the2048> Maybe try an install DVD?
[02:53] <qwebirc45147> Kind of at a loss. If the OS wasn't corrupt it would make my life a lot easier but I have to go through the BIOS
[02:53] <mouses> qwebirc45147: got a second system that can boot from USB?
[02:53] <qwebirc45147> I'm using a microsoft surface, no dvd ports
[02:53] <the2048> Oh
[02:53] <mouses> qwebirc45147: might want to test the bootable media on another machine
[02:53] <qwebirc45147> yeah, should I test and see if its the usb?
[02:53] <mouses> ya
[02:53] <the2048> Test if it's the USB
[02:53] <mouses> just to rule it out
[02:54] <qwebirc45147> I'll get on that right now, be back in a bit, thanks mouses good idea
[02:54] <qwebirc45147> and the2048
[02:54] <qwebirc45147> appreciate it
[02:54] <mouses> qwebirc45147: no problem, i love troubleshooting - process of elimination rules :)
[02:55] <mekhami> i've got windows 10 on my desktop, and i tried to dual boot ubuntu on it a few weeks ago and quite a bit seemed to go wrong. i have an nvidia rtx 2060 gpu and the drivers didn't work at all, and i could never boot into grub so i could choose which OS to use. is there a more or less stupid-proof guide out there to getting this done?
[02:55] <mouses> qwebirc45147: if it turns out to be a bad boot image, try burning it with etcher.io -> i've never had etcher fail or make a bad boot image
[02:55] <mekhami> i've used ubuntu extensively but i'm not great with installing OS stuff
[02:56] <the2048> Dualboot with two hard/solid state drives
[02:56] <the2048> Then install GRUB to the main drive
[02:57] <mekhami> i could try to do that but i'm not sure i want to, i'd like to have them on partitions
[02:57] <mekhami> well
[02:57] <mekhami> idk. i'm not sure.
[02:57] <the2048> Dualbooting through 2 HDDs/SSDs hasn't ever failed for me
[02:57] <mekhami> i have an extra SSD sitting here but i'm not confident in getting it properly connected.
[02:59] <mouses> mekhami: install windows first, ubuntu second, then reboot again from USB/DVD and install the boot-repair package
[02:59] <mouses> run it
[02:59] <mouses> it'll one click fix the mess and you're good to go
[02:59] <qwebirc45147> It's not the usb
[02:59] <qwebirc45147> It's the computer, laptop ran usb no problem
[03:00] <mouses> qwebirc45147: Dang it!
[03:00] <mekhami> what about the gpu/video driver issue?
[03:00] <mekhami> i just need a stable driver i don't need the bleedign edge
[03:00] <mekhami> i don't do gpu stuff on the linux boot
[03:00] <mouses> qwebirc45147: Not familiar with your hardware, but does the USB drive have a blinky light on it?  When it fails boot, does it even blink a few times like it's trying?
[03:01] <qwebirc45147> Yeah it blinks and mekhami have you tried youtube? I can help you with some research as I'll probably have to do that after I install ubuntu lol.
[03:02] <qwebirc45147> Avid gamer over here, would hate it if the OS hinders the gaming :'(
[03:02] <mekhami> too much garbage to sift through on youtube
[03:02] <mekhami> not worth the time
[03:03] <mouses> qwebirc45147: some secure boot thing maybe?
[03:03] <mouses> It's a microsoft system so I'd expect them to make this very hard
[03:03] <mekhami> mouses: i'll try this again (last time it didn't quite work for me for whatever reason, i think i just never got bios setup right) but the gpu issue is as critical or more. it worked fine on my old desktop but this new card didn't seem to want to catch on
[03:04] <qwebirc45147> sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install mesa-utils < this should help mekhami
[03:04] <mouses> mekhami: new one is pretty bleeding edge, you might have to fight with it for a bit
[03:04] <mekhami> idk what i'm fighting with when i get there, i don't know anything about drivers.
[03:04] <qwebirc45147> hmm. I'll look into the BIOS to see if there's a secure boot option
[03:05] <qwebirc45147> that I need to disable
[03:05] <qwebirc45147> Appreciate the help
[03:09] <mekhami> okay i'm running the 18.04 installer from my usb
[03:10] <mekhami> i'm looking at the partition manager thing and i can't tell what i'm supposed to be doing here
[03:11] <mekhami> it's giving me the options for erasing ubuntu 18.04.2 and reinstall. install 18.04 alongside 18.04, and erase disk and install ubuntu (which obviously i don't want to do cause i have win10 on this disk)
[03:11] <mekhami> and then something else, which shows the partitions
[03:11] <mekhami> which has /dev/sda1-7, free space of 0
[03:11] <mekhami> /dev/sda4 is ntfs and has my win10 boot on it i assume
[03:12] <mekhami> /dev/sda7 is ext4 and is 40gb size, 7.5gb used which i don't know if that might be my USB drive?
[03:12] <mekhami> if not, i still have 18.04.2 installed i guess
[03:16] <mekhami> anyone able to point me in the right direction?
[03:19] <dhmb1> yoyoyo
[03:19] <mekhami> hm, it shows sda6 and sda7 as linux filesystem types
[03:23] <mekhami> can i just delete those partitions while in this usb bootloader
[03:23] <mekhami> and start 'fresh'
[03:29] <mekhami> when creating a new partition for an ubuntu install
[03:29] <mekhami> what's the mount point supposed to be?
[03:31] <mekhami> and how important is it to have swap space
[03:34] <mekhami> i shoudl have tackled this during the day when people were online lol.
[03:39] <k_sze[work]> Is there a good app on Ubuntu to open multiple jpgs as thought they were one book?
[03:40] <qwebirc45147> lol yeah mekhami probably
[03:40] <k_sze[work]> And would easily allow me to print said jpgs 2-sided (on printers that support 2-sided printing)?
[03:40] <qwebirc45147> but I mean it's a pretty shitty problem
[03:44] <cgi> how do i check if DMAR is enabled in the ubuntu kernel? if it is not, how do i enable it?
[04:02] <mekhami> wow everything worked out of the box this time
[04:02] <mekhami> i must have been too tired last time i tried this
[04:10] <Ben_X> Does anyone know which windows would be best to install on VirtualBox? I'm using Ubuntu 18.04 as my main OS but I can not play Diablo 2 on battle.net without using Windows in VirtualBox
[04:10] <Ben_X> I think Windows 10 is too big
[04:10] <Ben_X> So maybe windows 7?
[04:11] <delt> hello everyone
[04:11] <delt> just wondering, why is gimp in the ubuntu repos still 2.8? 2.10 has been out for a while already....
[04:21] <the2048> delt that's the same case with Teeworlds. The latest version has been out for a while yet we're still on an older one
[04:22] <delt> the2048: why? is there some bug(s) in the new versions of those programs?
[04:22] <delt> that prevent them being usable?
[04:22] <the2048> I think it's that the maintainers of the repository haven't gotten around to packaging them in the right format
[04:23] <the2048> Because I can confirm latest Teeworlds is stable on Windows x64 and Ubuntu x32
[04:24] <krytarik> !info gimp cosmic
[04:24] <krytarik> !latest
[04:25] <the2048> That's also why
[04:25] <the2048> I had forgotten about that being a thing tho so
[04:26] <the2048> !info teeworlds
[04:27] <d0tsun7> can someone help me understand the primary difference between: /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root and /dev/ubuntu-vg/root
[04:27] <d0tsun7> within LVM2
[04:27] <d0tsun7> when working with LVM i'm not sure if they are entirely interchangable or not.
[04:39] <hllo> hi
[04:40] <hllo> ok so
[04:57] <Sveta> delt: you can install gimp 2.10 using an unofficial package called the 'ppa'
[04:59] <Sveta> delt: https://launchpad.net/~otto-kesselgulasch/+archive/ubuntu/gimp
[04:59] <Sveta> delt: they recommend an external site for reporting bugs
[04:59] <Sveta> delt: but you can ignore it and just login to view contact details ( https://launchpad.net/~otto-kesselgulasch ) instead
[05:06] <mekhami> i installed zsh and ran chsh -s $(which zsh) and it's not actually switching my login shell
[05:06] <mekhami> when i open a new terminal it's still /bin/bash
[05:06] <mekhami> and $echo SHELL shows /bin/bash
[05:06] <mekhami> but chsh shows my login shell as zsh
[05:06] <mekhami> confused
[05:10] <mekhami> ah worked on reboot. "login" shell afterall
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[07:35] <ubuntu-mate> sd
[07:35] <ubuntu-mate> s
[07:35] <ubuntu-mate> ds
[07:35] <ubuntu-mate> d
[07:35] <ubuntu-mate> sd
[07:35] <ubuntu-mate> sd
[07:52] <pragomer> nautilus-actions seems to be obsolete in ubuntu 18.04. Is there a replacement package for it??
[07:56] <guiverc> pragomer, i don't use gnome/nautilus, and yeah its there for 14.04 & 16.04 (even 19.04 for soem reason) but not 18.xx. if you click properties for a type of file, then open-with tab may provide some of what you want..
[08:00] <homma> hello
[08:01] <guiverc> Hi homma, if you have a Ubuntu Support question, please just ask it (try & keep to a single line if possible, and be patient waiting for answer, someone will answer if & when they can)
[08:02] <homma> hello
[08:02] <homma> today is Monday
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> homma: please dont repeat, we saw you the first time
[08:03] <homma> ok
[08:56] <baako> hi guys am running 18.04 and I have a few snap apps install. I have notice everything, that when I shutdown my laptop and come back again and trying to open any of the snap app. I get this message snap-confine has elevated permissions and is not confined but should be. Refusing to continue to avoid permission escalation attacks
[08:57] <baako> and I have to install them ALL over again. How to permantly fix this
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> baako: you can check permissions of the snap in software center
[08:57] <xrandr_mac> Hi, if I use the network installer iso, will I be able to install Ubuntu Server?
[08:59] <baako> lotuspsychje: where? snap apps are not in software centre only apt
[09:00] <ducasse> baako: server is just a pre-defined set of packages
[09:01] <blackflow> I believe that's what the question is here. does the netinstall ISO allow choice of no GUI
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> baako: not correct, snap packages does also show in software center
[09:01] <blackflow> also, snaps are NOT installed by apt
[09:03] <xrandr_mac> blackflow, yes, that's the question.
[09:05] <blackflow> xrandr_mac: I don't know sorry, I use only debootstrap to install Ubuntu due to ZFS root
[09:06] <d0tsun7> hey -- i've got an LVM2 question if anyone's up
[09:06] <Tankburn1> I am having some trouble trying to configure my sd card to mount during startup using fstab
[09:07] <blackflow> xrandr_mac: try it? worst case you spent 30 minutes and a few hundred MB of download :)
[09:07] <xrandr_mac> yep
[09:07] <xrandr_mac> That's what I'm doing
[09:07] <blackflow> xrandr_mac: but seeing there's no separate netinst for desktop or server, my guess is that it allows that choice. debian's installer does, and I think that's the same one.
[09:08] <Tankburn1> the mount point column... does that need to be the /dev location of the actual directory you want to assign for the filesysytem
[09:08] <Tankburn1> mount point field*
[09:08] <blackflow> xrandr_mac: let us know, for future reference ;)
[09:09] <blackflow> Tankburn1: first field is the SD device, the second field is the directory you mount the device to.  stuff under /dev are devices
[09:09] <blackflow> Tankburn1: also the fields are explained in detail in teh fstab(5) manpage
[09:10] <blackflow> !ask | d0tsun7
[09:10] <nullbyte_> i have disable snap i ubuntu how can i reanble it
[09:11] <nullbyte_> exactly with gnome
[09:12] <d0tsun7> i'm trying to understand the difference between /dev/ubuntu-vg/root and /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root and if they can essentially be interchangable when referencing logical volume names within the various commands to configure LVM
[09:12] <Tankburn1> I have read through the man page in detail, but when I set the mount point, /media/<user>/Home2 it tells me the mount point does not exist
[09:12] <Tankburn1> I thought it was supposed to create it
[09:12] <blackflow> d0tsun7: they should be the same thing. the latter is the "origin", what the device mapper (dm) layer in the kernel actually produces. The former is shortcut by LVM in the form of /dev/<volume group>/<logical volume>
[09:13] <blackflow> Tankburn1: yes, the directory must first exist
[09:14] <d0tsun7> so they're symlinked, is that the proper way to say that in a way?
[09:15] <d0tsun7> with some % of correctness
[09:15] <nullbyte_> ?
[09:15] <blackflow> d0tsun7: I don't remember OTOH, but if running `file /dev/ubuntu-vg/root` says symbolic link, then it is, yeah.
[09:16] <d0tsun7> thanks for the dm reference, i didn't know it stood for device map
[09:16] <d0tsun7> for file /dev/ubuntu-vg/root i get "/dev/ubuntu-vg/root: symbolic link to ../dm-1"
[09:16] <nullbyte_> blackflow: you?
[09:18] <blackflow> d0tsun7: ah yes, the /dev/mapper/... one will be  symlink too iirc, to the actual /dev/dm-X  device
[09:18] <Tankburn1> thanks blackflow, got it working.
[09:18] <d0tsun7> looks like /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root is also symlinked to /dev/dm1
[09:18] <xrandr_mac> It does
[09:18] <Tankburn1> now to test if it mounts during startup :) brb
[09:18] <xrandr_mac> blackflow, it does allow you to select what you want to install
[09:19] <d0tsun7> ok so then that solves that. if i reference an LV by either name, it will return the same value
[09:19] <d0tsun7> excellent, ty
[09:20] <d0tsun7> i'm working with adjusting an LVM and every error requires a 40 minute parclone restore on a 1TB m.2, restoring from a 5400RPM HDD though, so not quite as fast.
[09:21] <blackflow> xrandr_mac: awesome, thanks.
[09:21] <d0tsun7> so now i'm figuring i should just resize my LV and give a 10G space on a 993G partition, so i have room in my VG to add an additional LV that I can use as a snapshot LV
[09:22] <blackflow> nullbyte_: how did you "disable" snaps?
[09:23] <james_brown> im having trouble starting a service on ubuntu.  I use "sudo service name start" and nothing happens.  this is the server log https://pastebin.com/i54SPirP   any idea what any of it means?
[09:24] <baako> lotuspsychje: none of my shown on software center
[09:24] <blackflow> d0tsun7: if you need snapshots, yeah. just remember the "snapshot" lv does not need to be the full size of the partition you want to snapshot. only to hold differences accrued while you hold the snapshot for the purposes of backup I suppose. there's hardly any other reason to use them, other than have an atomic view for rsync
[09:24] <baako> blackflow: is right also lotuspsychje because its not apt
[09:26] <blackflow> james_brown: no idea, that's something very specific to that program. you can also check in the journal to see what systemd noted about it.    journalctl -eu <service name>.service
[09:26] <d0tsun7> backflow yeah, i was figuring it may be faster for me to troubleshoot just by jumping onto my filesystem from an external TTY and lvconverting my LV back to its orignal state
[09:27] <d0tsun7> on a 993G partition, I figured 10G would be more than enough to make some LVM changes. a lot extra actually i guess
[09:27] <james_brown> blackflow: what does  Failed with result 'start-limit-hit mean?
[09:28] <blackflow> james_brown: it means the process keeps crashing, systemd keeps restarting it and reaches the limit of number of restarts it should attempt before it logs total failure.
[09:29] <blackflow> james_brown: so yeah, you should investigate why teh process is failing
[09:29] <d0tsun7> thanks backflow
[09:30] <blackflow> d0tsun7: yw
[09:30] <james_brown> blackflow: any lead on what i should investigate?
[09:30] <blackflow> james_brown: the service itself. its logs. consult its documentation, ask in appropriate support channels for that program. what is it, anyway?
[09:32] <james_brown> blackflow: it is a product that provides SOC automation services
[09:32] <james_brown> blackflow: and i must fix the issue on my own
[09:33] <blackflow> james_brown: good luck then. you could also pop in the #go-nuts to ask about Go lang specific issues here.
[09:33] <blackflow> *there
[09:35] <d0tsun7> if i create a PV on top of a LUKS1 partition, in order for that to work properly will i need to make an entry to just /etc/crypttab or both /etc/crypttab and /etc/fstab
[09:35] <d0tsun7> to add that PV to my existing /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root VG ubuntu-vg
[09:35] <blackflow> d0tsun7: fstab is for mounting. so yeah if you want something mounted off of that pv on boot.
[09:36] <blackflow> d0tsun7: but not the PV directly in fstab
[09:39] <d0tsun7> ok cool. i need to go through the crypttab fstab man pages better.
[09:39] <d0tsun7> thanks for your help tonight. off to do some more tinkering.
[09:40] <blackflow> d0tsun7: crypttab is used by initramfs (And systemd) to know which containers should be unlocked on boot. fstab is for mountpoints. the two are related here only if you want to _mount_ a LV that's part of a VG that's consisted of the PV you LUKS'd
[09:41] <d0tsun7> yes, absolutely is.
[09:41] <d0tsun7> so i will needing to be implenting both entries then
[09:41] <Dimitris> hello there, any ubuntu member active to ask something ?
[09:41] <Dimitris> thanks :)
[09:41] <blackflow> !ask | Dimitris
[09:41] <james_brown> blackflow: any idea what "error: cannot open index, metadata missing" means?
[09:41] <blackflow> james_brown: nope, that's very much specific to that program.
[09:42] <blackflow> that entire log you pasted there is. ther is no way for me to know what any bit of it means, since I never saw or used that program. Also please note that software not packaged in Ubuntu is not really supported here in #ubuntu.
[09:42] <blackflow> please consult the developers of that software, or go-lang support channels in general.
[09:43] <james_brown> blackflow: ok thank you
[10:35] <necrophcodr> Hi folks! I've got an old Ubuntu 14.04 VM around, and when I check the I/O scheduler it simply says "none". How can I get I/O scheduling enabled and switch to something like cfq?
[10:36] <necrophcodr> The output of `cat /sys/block/vda/queue/scheduler` is simply "none"
[10:42] <guiverc> necrophcodr, i can't help, best I can provide is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/IOSchedulers  (see Selecting I/O Schedulers)
[10:47] <necrophcodr> guiverc, unfortunately there are no I/O schedulers to chose from, that's the issue I'm trying to resolve
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> necrophcodr: also keep in mind 14.04 will be EOL very soon, perhaps think of upgrade/clean install?
[10:52] <necrophcodr> lotuspsychje, clean install is not an option, and i'd like to upgrade but first I need this resolved so the I/O performance is usable for the upgrade process
[10:52] <e4xit> whats the best way to troubleshoot random system failures on an Ubuntu machine? I have recently installed a UPS to eliminate power fluctuations but I still see regular crashes (to powered off state) with zero info of anything about to break the system in any logs I am checking...
[10:55] <guiverc> e4xit, if it shuts down without reason, I'd look at hardware first (ie. temperature too high, check bios/system logs of temperature warnings - OS/Ubuntu isn't told that hardware is going down if threshold reached; it's just power-off to reduce warranty claims)
[10:56] <guiverc> ps: I used temperature as example; it's one of a number that can show in hardware logs
[10:56] <e4xit> guiverc: ok thanks. I will see if I can setup a cronjob to monitor temps every 5 mins then in case that turns something up...
[10:58] <homma> Elitebook 745G5  kernel panic
[11:01] <Andika1337> hi all
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> !rootirc | Andika1337 homma
[11:02] <Andika1337> Do you want to tell a good hacker channel?
[11:03] <Andika1337> please
[11:04] <k_sze[mobile]> Ugh, crap
[11:04] <k_sze[mobile]> Even REISUB restarting my desktop.
[11:05] <k_sze[mobile]> Magic SysKey is *not* disabled (I’ve used it just las week on this machine).
[11:10] <Myrmex> hello Lorenzettis
[11:11] <Myrmex> someone is smoking >.<
[11:12] <Myrmex> hallo frankf
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> Myrmex: do you have an ubuntu question?
[11:13] <Myrmex> Nah, just messing around
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> Myrmex: mess somewhere else please
[11:17] <d0tsun7> ok
[11:17] <d0tsun7> i just got my new LUKS formatted PV added to my VG and extended my root ubuntu--vg-root LV
[11:18] <d0tsun7> within /etc/fstab, should the mount point be / or do i need to give it it's own directory
[11:18] <Myrmex> lol
[11:24] <d0tsun7> i could just see that extending my root LV that potentially it could in some way symlink to / but for now, i'm going to give it a /mnt/dir
[11:24] <d0tsun7> we'll see as i boot. wish me luck.
[11:24] <d0tsun7> exit
[11:25] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:32] <monojamoon> hey guys ... run into a problem! Downloaded a file via qbittorrent on a location that wasn't mounted and deleted the file from the client (didn't click on delete from disk). Now I cannot find the file anywhere. Any suggestions?
[11:32] <monojamoon> *ran into a problem
[11:33] <monojamoon> The download location was saved in history of previously used download locations.
[11:35] <BluesKaj> monojamoon, did you use the qbittorrent default dir/folder? .Usually it's /home/user/Downloads
[11:35] <ubone> if destination wasn't mounted you didn't download it
[11:37] <monojamoon> BluesKaj, nope. I didn't use that location. I changed it to a location that wasn't mounted. Actually, have a dual boot setup. Ubuntu and Windows 10. I use the space allocated to Windows 10 to store invaluable/replaceable files
[11:38] <monojamoon> I chose Downloads folder in the Windows allocated storage space to store the file
[11:38] <monojamoon> Unfortunately, I didn't mount it beforehand.
[11:39] <monojamoon> Has happened to me once before. I remember by clicking on open destination folderin such a case had led me to a tmp folder
[11:39] <monojamoon> now i can no longer find that temp folder
[11:39] <monojamoon> https://askubuntu.com/questions/144698/find-a-file-by-name-using-command-line
[11:40] <monojamoon> Used this try and find it. Nowhere on my filesystem
[11:40] <monojamoon> s/this/this to
[11:40] <BluesKaj> monojamoon, best to download files to the OS you're using, then transfer them afterwards if needed
[11:40] <monojamoon> Yeah. I'll keep that in mind to prevent future mishaps. :)
[11:43] <monojamoon> FOUND IT!
[11:44] <monojamoon> it downloaded in the /tmp folder
[11:45] <monojamoon> sudo find / -type f -name "*.mp4"
[11:45] <ubuntu-mate> clear
[11:46] <ubuntu-mate> vpn
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> monojamoon: please dont use this channel to describe every step you do
[11:47] <monojamoon> ok
[11:52] <KeithWeisshar> what's the official release date for ubuntu 19.04?
[11:53] <tarzeau> KeithWeisshar: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DiscoDingo/ReleaseSchedule
[11:54] <KeithWeisshar> will it come with linux 5.0?
[11:55] <jemadux> hello ..any good whatapp web application for linux ?
[11:55] <tarzeau> # apt-cache search ^linux-image-5
[11:55] <tarzeau> linux-image-5.0.0-7-generic - Signed kernel image generic
[11:55] <tarzeau> looks like it
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> KeithWeisshar: you can join #ubuntu+1 for 19.04 support & questions
[11:55] <tarzeau> jemadux: as long as there's no good web browser for linux. i'd say: no
[11:55] <Mr_Cyclops> jemadux, try https://web.whatsapp.com its browser based, no app required
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> jemadux: there's a whatsdesk snap if you like too
[11:57] <Mr_Cyclops> lotuspsychje, good to know :)
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> Mr_Cyclops: didnt test myself though :p
[11:57] <Mr_Cyclops> lotuspsychje, qq, how can I check all snaps available? I am on Ubuntu 18.04.2
[11:57] <Mr_Cyclops> :P I will
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> Mr_Cyclops: best is to search on keyword: snap find keyword
[11:58] <Mr_Cyclops> what if I wanted to see all that snap provides?
[11:58] <Mr_Cyclops> I tried sudo snap find, but doesn't look like it lists all
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> Mr_Cyclops: i dont think there's a command for full list, there was once a command for the latest ones
[11:59] <Mr_Cyclops> duh, hmmmm ...
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> Mr_Cyclops: you can check the snap store if you like, or software centre
[12:00] <Mr_Cyclops> lotuspsychje, yeah that was my last resort too :)
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> Mr_Cyclops: there's also commands for category snap search
[12:01] <jemadux> waiting when snap will use the default cursors ...
[12:02] <Mr_Cyclops> lotuspsychje, just installed and used whatsdesk, pretty awesome!
[12:05] <Mr_Cyclops> lotuspsychje, which DE do you use?
[12:05] <Mr_Cyclops> just curious
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> Mr_Cyclops: lets discuss it in #ubuntu-discuss
[12:05] <Mr_Cyclops> aha so many forks, sure, I was wondering if there was a room for such :) tx again
[12:11] <Rojola> hi
[12:11] <Rojola> I think I caught a virus!
[12:12] <Rojola> since about 2 weeks, it happens often, that I see a "Loading..." text when I open a website
[12:12] <Rojola> It does not matter which website - it happens randomly
[12:12] <Rojola> I just investigated and opened the "Inspector" in google chrome
[12:13] <Rojola> Here is a screenshot
[12:13] <Rojola> https://filebin.net/mhoaedkk7zta7e2n/help_I_think_I_caught_a_virus.png?t=zmxs2upv
[12:13] <Rojola> To me, it looks like somebody is using my computer for mining!
[12:14] <Rojola> I did not think this could happen on Linux
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Rojola, have you tried firefox to compare?
[12:15] <Rojola> yes
[12:15] <Rojola> it does not happen in firefox
[12:15] <Rojola> I also googled - there _is_ a coinhive trojan
[12:16] <Rojola> but everything I've found so far concerns MS Windows
[12:16] <Rojola> https://www.google.com/search?q=coinhive+trojan+ubuntu+chrome
[12:16] <pkunk> How do I stop the bionic ssh client from spamming ssh servers by trying to authenticate with all the ssh keys stored under ~/.ssh & failing with "Too many authentication failures"
[12:17] <BluesKaj> Rojola, https://www.privacytools.io/
[12:18] <Rojola> thank you BluesKaj
[12:32] <fwef64> Hi, recently I bought thinkpad thunderbolt3 dock and now sometimes my screen goes black for no reason, then comes back on this repeats couple of times. So far I wasn't able to figure out what triggers it. Anyone experienced this?
[12:49] <m1dnight_> Hey guys. I'm using a logitech g9 with ubuntu 18.04. The mouse has some sort of buttons to chang eprofiles. For some reason the mouse freezes every couple of minutes, and then my profiles are reset.
[12:49] <m1dnight_> I don't mind that, just that the default profile is too fast.
[12:49] <m1dnight_> Does anyone have experience with this kind ot hing?
[12:58] <begonia> @search Susan Orlean
[12:58] <begonia> quit
[13:03] <CyberGhost78> m1dnight you should be able to change that in your mouse settings
[13:08] <memphisto> hi. i'm connecting to samba server with dolphin but it keeps asking for password which i'm typing correctly. smbclient has no problem connecting
[13:10] <m1dnight_> hrm, been eyeballing dmesg and it seems the device just disconnects :/
[13:53] <Tankburn> exit
[14:00] <ecv> hi
[14:01] <ecv> 18.04. It doesn't look like I have a /swapfile . Is this the default now? Is there an option during installation to use a partition instead that I may have inadvertently chosen instead?
[14:04] <ecv> I want to increase swap space following this https://bogdancornianu.com/change-swap-size-in-ubuntu/ but I have no /swapfile Can I dump the old partition way first and then switch to using swapfile ? Resizing partitions is always more scary and harder than a simple file, so I'd like to upgrade to swapfile
[14:04] <jeremy31> ecv, in terminal check> swapon -s
[14:04] <leftyfb> ecv: how much memory does your system have?
[14:05] <ecv> it says /dev/sdb5
[14:05] <ecv> 12GB and currently another 12GB. Need more for Blender since I'm working in a rather detailed and big scene
[14:06] <leftyfb> ecv: swap isn't going to help you
[14:06] <ecv> (another 12GB for swap, I meant)
[14:06] <leftyfb> ecv: Not to mention, if you ever fill up 12G of swap, you're doing something horribly wrong
[14:07] <ecv> when I'm making a particle system into real geometry it can barely load the scene anymore, so I'd say it could help
[14:07] <jeremy31> ecv what is swapiness set to?
[14:09] <ecv> I have a piece of land with 500k particles which are objects of around 300 verts each for a grass field. I don't think it's wrong, it's just what it needs to be to look good enough, other than using normal maps or displacement maps trickery which just doesn't cut it for me. I understand your wrong assumption tho. But back to the point and under the
[14:09] <ecv>  assumption that I truly need to increase the swap for whatever reason, how to go about that?
[14:13] <jeremy31> ecv a decent article about swap and swapiness https://kx.cloudingenium.com/linux/ubuntu/configure-swappiness-ubuntu/
[14:14] <ecv> thank you jeremy31
[14:17] <leftyfb> I'm thinking if they're going to do that type of work, swap isn't the solution.
[14:19] <jeremy31> I think they need to lower the use of swap if they have sufficient RAM
[14:20] <leftyfb> I was suggesting adding RAM. If they're swapping with 12G of physical memory due to the type of work they're doing, time to add memory.
[14:21] <NoImNotNineVolt> that's a common misconception.
[14:21] <NoImNotNineVolt> i was talking to cdown (works on mm) last week and he kinda changed my mind regarding swap
[14:22] <NoImNotNineVolt> if you're seeing thrashing, then yea, you don't have enough physical memory for what you're trying to do. but some use of swap isn't a bad thing.
[14:25] <Kon-> Will there be problems if gnome-keyring and kwallet are installed side by side?
[14:30] <pragomer> how can I create a new textfile from nautilus when nautilus-actions does not exist anymore?
[14:32] <leftyfb> pragomer: https://itsfoss.com/add-new-document-option/ # first result on google for "Ubuntu 18.04 new document"
[14:37] <pragomer> sorry, didnt want to appear lazy.. in the past I had some issues with this so thats why I asked here.
[14:37] <pragomer> thanks very much, gonna have a look at this link
[14:40] <pragomer> mm, thats strange. both ways dont work for me. I tried the english version "templates" and also my localized version (german), what is "Vorlagen"
[14:40] <pragomer> is a reboot required?
[14:41] <ubone> lauch a text editor
[14:48] <Younder> Where would I go to find a group working on 5G development?
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> !alis | Younder
[14:57] <emachines> hola hijos de puta
[14:58] <leftyfb> !es | emachines
[14:58] <destevezb> hello
[14:58] <emachines> hola
[14:58] <emachines> hello
[14:58] <destevezb> hola
[14:58] <destevezb> e
[14:58] <emachines> what are you
[14:58] <destevezb> i am terminator
[14:58] <emachines> que estjajjajajajja yeah bro
[14:58] <leftyfb> destevezb: This is a support channel.
[14:58] <emachines_> fabricio lopez es puto
[14:58] <destevezb> arriba españa supongo
[14:58] <emachines> you from is usa
[14:59] <emachines> hola
[14:59] <emachines> hola
[14:59] <destevezb> hola supongo
[14:59] <emachines> esta computadora es una mierda
[14:59] <destevezb> mira arriba que vees
[14:59] <emachines> tiene este chat de mierdaç
[14:59] <leftyfb> emachines: emachines_: destevezb: This is a support channel. Please /part
[14:59] <emachines> nada
[14:59] <leftyfb> !op emachines destevezb emachines_
[14:59] <leftyfb> !op | emachines destevezb emachines_
[14:59] <destevezb> pues muy mal deberias de haber visto a ESPAÑA
[14:59] <emachines> what
[14:59] <emachines_> emachines se desconecto?
[14:59] <emachines> nde tembo rova mbeju
[14:59] <emachines> pendejo
[15:00] <emachines> dee mierda
[15:00] <emachines> chupamela
[15:00] <destevezb> toxic
[15:00] <emachines> alicia
[15:00] <tonyyarusso> !es
[15:00] <destevezb> tu juegas al lol y se te nota
[15:00] <emachines_> maa la housea
[15:00] <destevezb> thx he was being toxic with my spañita
[15:01] <destevezb> !es
[15:01] <leftyfb> destevezb: Do you have a support question?
[15:01] <destevezb> ola
[15:04] <Rojola> re
[15:05] <esperegu> anyone can tell me how to show the offset of timesynchronisation? I want to see it in ms
[15:05] <Rojola> I was here before, concerning a trojan infection (coinhive)
[15:05] <Rojola> now I have even worse news:
[15:05] <Rojola> my entire system seems to be effected!
[15:05] <leftyfb> Rojola: reinstall from scratch and restore your files from backup
[15:05] <Rojola> Chrome, Firefox, Opera
[15:06] <Rojola> leftyfb, this is Linux!  Why would I get a trojan??
[15:06] <Rojola> I've never had any such issues
[15:06] <lordcirth> Rojola, Linux does not protect from user error.
[15:06] <Rojola> if this is system-wide, I wonder how this could happen in the first place
[15:06] <leftyfb> Rojola: doing something reall stupid? Don't know. Pretty irrelevant. Reinstall and restore.
[15:06] <lordcirth> If you can install software, you can install malicious software.
[15:06] <Rojola> lordcirth, what could I have done wrong?  My system is always up to date,  and I only use trusted repos
[15:07] <leftyfb> Rojola: Your issue is beyond the scope of this support channel. Reinstall and restore from backup.
[15:07] <Rojola> ok
[15:09] <ubone> Rojola, use ublock origin
[15:09] <NoImNotNineVolt> ^
[15:10] <ubone> you could also use firejail
[15:11] <leftyfb> ubone: that's not even close to an adequate solution. But still beyond the scope of this channel
[15:11] <ubone> it is very close, he visited a page with a miner
[15:12] <Rojola> ubone, I already tried blocking it with an add-on
[15:13] <Rojola> ubone, https://filebin.net/mhoaedkk7zta7e2n/help_I_think_I_caught_a_virus.png?t=dd3qmivj
[15:13] <Rojola> this is what I get very often (but now always)
[15:13] <Rojola> It makes no difference which website I open
[15:13] <Rojola> all my browsers are effected
[15:14] <leftyfb> Rojola: reinstall and restore
[15:14] <Rojola> this is not windows...
[15:14] <leftyfb> Rojola: forensics discussion can be had in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:14] <Rojola> setting up such a system takes a lot of time
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> Rojola: this isnt a complain channel, focus on ubuntu support questions
[15:14] <ubone> Rojola, look up hosts lists, they inlude that and redirect it to 0000
[15:14] <NoImNotNineVolt> o_O
[15:15] <Rojola> ubone, good idea - brb
[15:15] <NoImNotNineVolt> it takes me seconds to deploy new ubuntu boxes :P
[15:15] <tomreyn> esperegu: good question, i woudn't know how to do this with systemd-timesyncd either.
[15:15] <lordcirth> Rojola, It doesn't take me very long to set up Ubuntu. Perhaps we can talk about what takes you a long time on #ubuntu-discuss
[15:15] <Rojola> ubone, the hosts file is OK
[15:15] <Rojola> lordcirth, it's just a lot of customization...
[15:16] <Rojola> with a very slow internet connection
[15:16] <ubone> he doesn't need to reinstall that's stupid sorry but it is
[15:16] <lordcirth> ubone, if you have malware, you reinstall. End of story.
[15:16] <ubone> worst case he has to make a new user and move his files
[15:16] <ubone> wrong
[15:16] <Rojola> Alone downloading trinity-desktop takes 1 day here with my internet
[15:16] <tomreyn> esperegu: there is the timedatectl command, but it doesn't disclose this information, nor do there seem to be settings in /etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf which would make this more verbose.
[15:17] <ubone>  if he didn't run his browsers as root, which he didn't, that supposed malware would be limited to his /home/
[15:17] <lordcirth> Rojola, do you have a second computer? You should use apt-cacher-ng
[15:17] <leftyfb> ubone: you are more wrong than you think. And a bit rude as well. Any compromised system needs to immediately be removed from all activity and reinstalled. Regardless of OS.
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> ubone: feel free to discuss in #ubuntu-discuss
[15:17] <Rojola> ubone, good idea with the new user.... I am now going to try setting up a new user and running chrome as the new user
[15:17] <Rojola> lordcirth, only 1 computer, no apt-cacher-ng
[15:18] <ubone> leftyfb, i just explained as plain as i can, you on the other hand have send nothing but fud
[15:19] <lordcirth> ubone, have you never heard of privilege escalation? Malware does it all the time.
[15:19] <ubone> im not sure but i think chromium has some sandboxing even without firejail so
[15:19] <leftyfb> Rojola: If you did not write the malware you have or know exactly what it and ever possible variant does to your system you have no way of knowing what parts of your system have been compromised and what multiple things it is doing, including having back doors into your system.
[15:19] <lotuspsychje__> !discuss
[15:19] <Rojola> ouch... the browser in the new user's account acts the same
[15:19] <Rojola> Loading...
[15:20] <leftyfb> Rojola: Reinstall and restore. End of discussion.
[15:20] <Rojola> leftyfb, I know what malware it is
[15:20] <ubone> lordcirth, are you saying coinhive is making use of intel vulnerabilities? im not sure if it's even malware, isn't it a group miner
[15:20] <Rojola> coinhive
[15:20] <lotuspsychje__> Rojola: please dont describe every step you doing in this channel
[15:20] <Rojola> this channel was always so nice... what happened?
[15:20] <leftyfb> Rojola: and you know exactly what every variant does?
[15:20] <lordcirth> Rojola, it is still nice.
[15:21] <lordcirth> Rojola, once you've got your clean system setup, consider copying your apt cache to an external drive. This will speed up reinstalls if you have to do it again.
[15:21] <Rojola> Thank you ubone !
[15:21] <esperegu> tomreyn: I saw that ntp suppose to be more precise so I switched to that instead
[15:21] <leftyfb> Rojola: the point is, don't mess with compromised systems. Just get reinstalled and restore from backup
[15:21] <Rojola> Also thank you to everyone else!
[15:21] <Rojola> lordcirth, may I please ask for a name of the technique or a link?
[15:22] <lordcirth> Rojola, it's just a bunch of files in /var/cache/apt. Copy that somewhere external every so often, and you can copy it back later.
[15:22] <lordcirth> Though perhaps there's a better way.
[15:25] <tomreyn> esperegu: i'd personally prefer chrony if i had to replace systemd's, newer code, less legacy issues.
[15:30] <Rojola> thank you lordcirth
[15:30] <lordcirth> np
[15:30] <Rojola> lordcirth, how often does this directory get emtied?
[15:30] <Rojola> do I have to back it up daily?
[15:30] <lordcirth> Rojola, mostly when you run 'apt clean' or 'autoclean'. I'm not sure how often it gets automatically cleaned.
[15:31] <lordcirth> Alternatively, you could use apt-cacher-ng at localhost? It's a bit odd but I think it would work.
[15:31] <esperegu> tomreyn: will try to set that up and use that then. thx
[15:36] <SeTunTun> hello. Is there any way to know an usb device path? I mean /dev/....
[15:37] <Rojola> Thank you very much, lordcirth
[15:37] <tomreyn> Rojola: there are a couple website which suggest that you may be running a mikrotik router which got infected. if you run one, be sure to configure nameservers directly on ubuntu (you can use <IP_ADDRESS> for example) and examine the router, too, to prevent re-infection.
[15:40] <leftyfb> tomreyn: if that's the case, then a good test would be testing with a live cd/usb or another device.
[15:41] <tomreyn> i agree
[15:43] <ubone> SeTunTun, lsusb
[15:44] <ubone> no, df
[15:44] <leftyfb> SeTunTun: There is some combination of lsusb and shell scripting to follow device links to find out which /dev a usb device got assigned to
[15:44] <leftyfb> ubone: df is only used for storage devices
[15:44] <Spr1ng> Guys when I do an install of Ubuntu 16.04 and select to have PostgreSQL installed, what is the username/password it creates for psql during that installation process?
[15:45] <leftyfb> ubone: lsusb alone is not adequate to find the device name in /dev for a usb device
[15:45] <SeTunTun> ubone, lsusb only lists the devices, not their paths
[15:45] <ubone> yes, i said df
[15:46] <leftyfb> ubone: df is only used for storage devices
[15:46] <ubone> yes i see why you so uptight
[15:46] <ubone> you could have answered him instead of lynching me
[15:47] <leftyfb> ubone: I did
[15:47] <SeTunTun> leftyfb, is right. My usb device is a tv dongle
[15:47] <leftyfb> SeTunTun: I had something written some time ago to find the device name. Though it's probably just easier to look in dmesg as you connect the device.
[15:47] <SeTunTun> XD sorry i don't want to start a fight here haha
[15:48] <ubone> maybe dmesg
[15:50] <ubone> and i don't see how you aswered him tbh
[15:57] <CarlFK> SeTunTun: I think the answer you are looking for: make a udev rule that fires on the hotplug event
[15:58] <CarlFK> SeTunTun: there isn't an "easy way" because that way would fail on all sorts of cases, like plug in a 2nd devcie,
[15:59] <CarlFK> or plug in the first device to a usb hub
[15:59] <SeTunTun> Thanks guys, I will try later. I must leave
[16:00] <leftyfb> CarlFK: I used to have a script that would take the devices from lsusb and follow their directory structures and output all sorts of info on the devices including their name in /dev.. I can't seem to find it so I'll probably have to write it again at some point.
[16:00] <ixio2> hello all.. does anyone know if there is a way to change the default behaviour of "new" machines in MAAS? when unknown machines initially boot but not yet commissioned it literally captures nothing about them, I would at least like to know serial number, IP address etc so that I can better comission them
[16:00] <leftyfb> ixio2: you want #maas
[16:00] <ixio2> thanks
[16:01] <leftyfb> ixio2: it does capture info though. It captures BMC info.
[16:01] <leftyfb> ixio2: The first boot is only to get an understanding of how to control power/boot. Nothing else. That's what the 2nd part is for.
[16:33] <sveinse> Anyone here with experience using lvm in ubuntu as guests on Hyper-V? I'm wondering if it is a bad idea to use lvm for this. One one side it is great to have the flexibility of lvm, but I have a suspicion that it might have severe drawbacks. E.g. if a LV is comprised of many PVs, then in case of recovery, it is imperative that all PVs comes from the exact same point in time, right?
[16:37] <MrSproke> sveinse: Look here (link to Microsoft!) Best Practices for running Linux on Hyper-V    https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/virtualization/hyper-v/best-practices-for-running-linux-on-hyper-v
[16:39] <sveinse> MrSproke: yeah, I'm aware of this. The question is about lvm which is a linux question and not a VM host question unfortunately
[16:40] <sveinse> Are there mechanisms in lvm PVs that ensure/check that they are in sync?
[16:40] <sveinse> Or is PVs just dumb block devices, and such if they aren't in sync = data corruption, possibly without detection
[16:41] <MrSproke> sveinse: one sec
[16:42] <MrSproke> sveinse: pv = block device, no logic here. Ontop of the pv comes the volume group, then the volumes
[16:43] <sveinse> right
[16:44] <sveinse> So lvm is only safe to use if and only if snapshots of all PVs can be done atomically
[16:45] <MrSproke> sveinse: still checking. i'm using lvm in ubuntu hyperv guests - never had problems here. But you may have a point here.....
[16:45] <pragmaticenigma> MrSproke, sveinse - Please understand this forum is for Ubuntu support, not recommendations and setups. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss for discussion please
[16:48] <sveinse> pragmaticenigma: well, not to troll, but I just lost a ubuntu machine due to data corruption. I could open with "my ubuntu machine has crashed" :( How to safely run ubuntu in VMs is certainly within scope I hope.
[16:50] <pragmaticenigma> sveinse: To answer your initial question: You're the only one that can determine the risks versus benefits of running your system in that configuration. The best recommendation is to make sure you create regular backups, such that data loss from resizing and other disk volume structuring can be restored quickly.
[16:52] <tomreyn> sveinse: if you've worked with RAID arrays, you'll be familiar with the concept that the more physical (an non mirrored) devices your RAID array depends on, the more risk it means to your data store don top of the array. this is similar with LVM. the more PVs your VG depends on, the more likely will you have data loss if any are lost.
[16:53] <tomreyn> you can setup VGs on just a single PV, or you can setup RAID arrays below PVs to reduce risk of data loss.
[16:58] <tomreyn> So LVM in VMs is not, by itself, good or bad. Like on physical systems (just with the added complexity that virtual storages which are to increase data security, must also be based on separate physical disks on the VM host/storage network), it depends on how you use it,
[16:58] <sveinse> Just to make sure the discussion doesn't digress into that: I'm not taking about backup nor about redundancy such as RAID. Both are Very important points of course, but not the issue/question at hand. I'm trying to figure out the use case model for lvm. Ot here, but is Ubuntu Server still use a "JBOD" setup with LVM? -- And perhaps the answer is in plain sight: Without any backing of redundancy/raid in
[16:58] <sveinse> the block devices, there is no point of using LVM?
[16:59] <lordcirth> sveinse, LVM has 2 purposes - allowing you to stick different block devices together as a single pool of storage, and allowing easy allocation of new block devices within that pool, without worrying about where that free space is. Which of those features do you need?
[17:01] <tomreyn> (You can also create VGs with mirroring, where two PVs store the same VG data, but this is not commonly used.)
[17:01] <sveinse> (I can stop if you guys consider this OT) lordcirth: A little bit of both really. I did it because it then would be easy to add new PVs to expand the storage by just adding new PVs to the machine.
[17:02] <lordcirth> tomreyn, yeah, I don't see why I'd do that instead of mdraid
[17:03] <lordcirth> sveinse, in most hypervisors you can just expand the original block device, since it's virtual anyway, and then expand the partition + filesystem
[17:05] <sveinse> lordcirth: if there is space on the back-end storage device which is block device is located. Otherwise you need to get a new block device to another SAN.
[17:05] <sveinse> but yeah, point taken, this is a IT structure issue more than anything else
[17:06] <asumo> i am a total newbie and need some help with the ubuntu terminal shell
[17:06] <lordcirth> asumo, sure, what do you need?
[17:06] <asumo> i was trying to change my shell to zsh from bash and have run into a heap of issues
[17:07] <asumo> my shell use to be systems:~# and changed to systems:~$
[17:07] <asumo> what is the difference between # and $, and i am having issues with supposed pam authentication when i tried to use chsh
[17:08] <asumo> is there a way to do a reset to the ubuntu shell settings?
[17:08] <EriC^^> asumo: usually # means you're using as root
[17:08] <EriC^^> in bash
[17:08] <asumo> nah, i was using my user
[17:08] <fleabeard> asumo, # indicates you're logged in as root, $ indicates you're logged in as a non-root user
[17:08] <OerHeks> EriC^^ +1 easy to spot
[17:08] <asumo> and still need to enter user pass for sudo
[17:08] <EriC^^> must be a zsh thing then
[17:09] <asumo> eric i suspect so
[17:09] <qwebirc58390> Hello everyone
[17:10] <EriC^^> hello
[17:10] <asumo> fleabeard i am using ubuntu 16.04 as a regular user
[17:10] <asumo> always have
[17:10] <qwebirc58390> I am new to Ubuntu and it is saying I don't have a Wifi driver installed
[17:10] <asumo> i need pass to use sudo
[17:10] <qwebirc58390> I'm traveling in a few days and would need to use Wifi
[17:10] <qwebirc58390> Can anybody screen mirror me and install the driver possibly? :)
[17:10] <qwebirc58390> I can return the favour in good conversation
[17:10] <qwebirc58390> With*
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc58390: pastebin us: sudo lshw -C network please
[17:10] <Walex> qwebirc58390: not all WiFi chipsets are straightforwardlyt supported
[17:11] <qwebirc58390> I don't know how to pastebin us:
[17:11] <qwebirc58390> Could you give me more elaborate instructions
[17:11] <lordcirth> asumo, I just installed zsh here, selecting '2' for default settings, and I have '%' for user and '#' for root
[17:11] <asumo> anyone here using ubuntu 16.04
[17:11] <EriC^^> qwebirc58390: you can do "sudo lshw -c network | nc termbin.com 9999"
[17:11] <Walex> qwebirc58390: 'sudo apt install pastebinit'
[17:11] <qwebirc58390> Where do I do that Eric?
[17:11] <qwebirc58390> In terminal?
[17:11] <EriC^^> qwebirc58390: in any terminal
[17:11] <Walex> qwebirc58390: "in the beginning there was the command line" :-)
[17:11] <asumo> lordcirth i uninstalled zsh and set the shell to bash
[17:12] <asumo> using usermod
[17:12] <asumo> i am still getting the $ instead of #
[17:12] <qwebirc58390> @walex hahaa
[17:12] <asumo> ive always had #, regardless of user
[17:12] <asumo> root and non root
[17:12] <asumo> truly bizare
[17:12] <EriC^^> asumo: if you're using bash, then "$" is standard for users
[17:13] <qwebirc58390> Nothing is happening
[17:13] <lordcirth> asumo, did you ever change $PS1? It is just a string that can be changed.
[17:13] <asumo> eric ive always had #
[17:13] <qwebirc58390> A lot of stuff came up when I typed "sudo lshw -C network"
[17:13] <EriC^^> qwebirc58390: ah, can you put a wired connection on the PC?
[17:13] <asumo> lordcirth: not sure, not intentionally
[17:13] <qwebirc58390> yes that's what I'm using @eric
[17:13] <EriC^^> asumo: something must have been broke then, i guess
[17:13] <asumo> yeah
[17:13] <EriC^^> qwebirc58390: are you able to "ping -c1 google.com" ?
[17:13] <asumo> got i am dumb
[17:13] <lordcirth> qwebirc58390, if you have a working internet connection, then you should get a link back
[17:14] <qwebirc58390> @eric In terminal?
[17:14] <asumo> i never realized what a headache zsh shell change would be
[17:14] <ioria> N != n
[17:14] <qwebirc58390> Yes, able to ping google
[17:14] <qwebirc58390> My internet is working
[17:14] <ioria> qwebirc58390, sudo lshw -c Network | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:14] <qwebirc58390> I have been working using my LAN @Erik
[17:14] <asumo> i cant stand the $ lol
[17:14] <asumo> i feel like a peasant
[17:14] <asumo> lol
[17:14] <qwebirc58390> Typing this into terminal -  sudo lshw -c Network | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:14] <EriC^^> ioria: lshw is case insensitive
[17:14] <qwebirc58390> @asumo if you are a peasant I am a hunter gatherer here L)
[17:14] <qwebirc58390> :) *
[17:15] <asumo> share a morsel with me mate :)
[17:15] <EriC^^> ioria: diff <(lshw -c Network) <(lshw -c network) if you dont believe me :)
[17:15] <ioria> yeah
[17:15] <qwebirc58390> This was the response when I typed sudo lshw -c Network | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:15] <EriC^^> qwebirc58390: try from the terminal "ping -c1 google.com"
[17:15] <qwebirc58390> https://termbin.com/hslq
[17:16] <qwebirc58390> @eric I did it pings back
[17:16] <asumo> anyone here on ubuntu 16.04
[17:16] <qwebirc58390> Ahh I opened the link
[17:16] <nacc> asumo: please stop asking that, what is your actual question?
[17:16] <qwebirc58390> It says this:
[17:16] <qwebirc58390>   *-network        description: Ethernet interface        product: RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller        vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.        physical id: 0        bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0        logical name: enp1s0        version: 15        serial: c8:d9:d2:d9:89:90        size: 100Mbit/s        capacity: 1Gbit/s        width: 64 bits        clock: 33MHz        capabilities: pm msi pciexpress
[17:16] <lordcirth> asumo, don't ask poll questions, please
[17:16] <asumo> i really am curious as to why ive always had # whilst others had $
[17:16] <nacc> qwebirc58390: please don't paste it literally here, that's the point of the pastebin.
[17:16] <qwebirc58390> I'm sorry
[17:16] <qwebirc58390> what is a pastebin?
[17:17] <asumo> nacc: im not polling anyone
[17:17] <nacc> qwebirc58390: you use the tool mentioned, and you get the URL, as you did, then you put the url in the channel
[17:17] <qwebirc58390> Ok
[17:17] <nacc> qwebirc58390: a tool to shared long pastes
[17:17] <ioria> qwebirc58390, also this :   lspci -nnk | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:17] <OerHeks> asumo,  that answer is already been given, if you use sudo, it sticks for a certain ammount of time, to give the next sudo command without retyping, that is ubuntu
[17:17] <asumo> i simply am curious if other 16.04 users have had the same issue
[17:17] <qwebirc58390> This is the link - https://termbin.com/hslq
[17:17] <asumo> OerHeks: you dont understand
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc58390: your wifi card shows unclaimed, is your system up to date?
[17:17] <qwebirc58390> Typing and sending the respone of this - lspci -nnk | nc termbin.com 9999 also, one moment
[17:17] <asumo> so never mind your supposed answer
[17:18] <qwebirc58390> @lotus how do I know if it is up to date
[17:18] <qwebirc58390> I was using windows before this and Wifi was working
[17:18] <nacc> asumo: create a dummy user and login as them, see what their prompt looks like.
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | qwebirc58390
[17:18] <qwebirc58390> Got Ubuntu a couple of days back
[17:18] <qwebirc58390> One moment
[17:18] <qwebirc58390> Typing and sending the respone of this - lspci -nnk | nc termbin.com 9999 also, one moment
[17:18] <asumo> nacc: good point
[17:18] <qwebirc58390> Doing this first
[17:18] <qwebirc58390> Then !uptodate
[17:18] <asumo> nacc: will do
[17:18] <qwebirc58390> Then this - sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[17:19] <qwebirc58390> reponse to this - lspci -nnk | nc termbin.com 9999  :  https://termbin.com/bk5d
[17:20] <qwebirc58390> Response to !uptodate was https://termbin.com/bk5d
[17:20] <qwebirc58390> Sorry
[17:20] <qwebirc58390> It was bash: !uptodate: event not found
[17:20] <nacc> qwebirc58390: !uptodate was a trigger to the bot in the hcannel to give you the command to use
[17:20] <qwebirc58390> Oh
[17:20] <nacc> qwebirc58390: read the faq it gave you and follow the steps, not the command in the channel
[17:21] <qwebirc58390> Ahh
[17:21] <qwebirc58390> I did sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade and it's updating
[17:21] <nacc> right
[17:21] <OerHeks>  rtl8723de  https://askubuntu.com/questions/961299/cannot-see-my-wifi-10ecd723-when-trying-ubuntu
[17:21] <qwebirc58390> As in lots of commands are coming on the terminal
[17:21] <EriC^^> asumo: it could be your user's .bashrc is different for the PS1 part (that's the shell prompt variable)
[17:21] <qwebirc58390> I think update is complete
[17:21] <qwebirc58390> What should I do
[17:21] <qwebirc58390> Should I follow this?  https://askubuntu.com/questions/961299/cannot-see-my-wifi-10ecd723-when-trying-ubuntu
[17:22] <OerHeks> !info linux-firmware
[17:22] <EriC^^> asumo: you could try "diff <(cat /etc/skel/.bashrc) <(cat ~/.bashrc)" to spot an differences
[17:22] <qwebirc58390> Oer I had seen that thread, but forgive me, the instructions I couldn't follow
[17:23] <qwebirc58390> @ubottu should I do that? and how?
[17:23] <nacc> qwebirc58390: ubottu is just a bot.
[17:23] <qwebirc58390> Ok
[17:23] <asumo> EriC^^: it could be
[17:23] <qwebirc58390> Does ubutto dream of electric sheep
[17:23] <asumo> anyways i appreciate the help
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc58390: ok you can stop trolling now
[17:24] <OerHeks> first i would try installing linux-firmware, if that does not help, follow that guide
[17:24] <asumo> it just amazes me that i am the only one to have experienced this
[17:24] <qwebirc58390> @lotus, as in?
[17:24] <nacc> !tab | qwebirc58390
[17:24] <ioria> qwebirc58390, you need to build the module yourself
[17:25] <qwebirc58390> Ah, nice nacc
[17:25] <qwebirc58390> :( that is going to be impossible at this stage
[17:25] <qwebirc58390> I just want to use Wifi
[17:25] <asumo> qwebirc58390: what kernel are u using?
[17:25] <qwebirc58390> Let me research more
[17:26] <qwebirc58390> I don't know asumo
[17:26] <asumo> does it have all the modules
[17:26] <nacc> qwebirc58390: uname -r
[17:26] <asumo> qwebirc58390: type uname -a
[17:26] <qwebirc58390> 4.18.0-16-generic
[17:26] <asumo> did u havee wifi before?
[17:27] <asumo> or is this a new problem?
[17:27] <qwebirc58390> On the same laptop, before when using Windows, yes Wifi was working
[17:27] <asumo> no on your linux distro
[17:27] <qwebirc58390> No
[17:27] <nacc> qwebirc58390: windows is relatively irrelevant to ubuntu in this case
[17:27] <qwebirc58390> I got Ubuntu day before
[17:27] <asumo> okay
[17:27] <qwebirc58390> nacc: noted
[17:27] <nacc> qwebirc58390: did you "try" ubuntu first? did it work in there?
[17:27] <qwebirc58390> When I go to settings
[17:28] <asumo> ive never experienced that to be honest
[17:28] <nacc> qwebirc58390: more than likely, you will need to do some amount of manual steps to get your wifi working in ubuntu. If you need it immediately, I would suggest using Winows.
[17:28] <nacc> *Windows
[17:28] <qwebirc58390> It says No WiFi adapter found
[17:28] <asumo> kernel changes have impacted both wifi and bluetooth
[17:28] <qwebirc58390> Windows is way too slow and buggy for my work and I have LAN for the next 3 days
[17:28] <asumo> but not the standard ubuntu desktop install
[17:28] <qwebirc58390> Ok, asumo should I find a different Kernel
[17:28] <sveinse> What happens when 14.04 LTS expires (when in April)? What does that entail practically?
[17:29] <nacc> qwebirc58390: then follow what ioria said, which you already said was impossible for some reasons
[17:29] <qwebirc58390> Assuming Kernal is the build
[17:29] <asumo> qwebirc58390: i would suggest you connect via ethernet
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: 18th april
[17:29] <qwebirc58390> nacc: I don't know what a module is
[17:29] <asumo> and do a complete sudo apt update && apt upgrade
[17:29] <nacc> qwebirc58390: then you probably should not be doing this :)
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: upgrade to 16.04 or payed ESM support
[17:29] <qwebirc58390> asumo: I'm doing that atm, it's perfect, just need Wifi for portability
[17:29] <nacc> sveinse: iirc, the repository stops getting updates; you can pay canonical for ESM if you want to use it longer
[17:29] <asumo> i c
[17:30] <qwebirc58390> Should I try a different build?
[17:30] <qwebirc58390> Any suggestions?
[17:30] <asumo> ive am shocked to tell you the truth
[17:30] <asumo> what laptop model u got?
[17:30] <ioria> qwebirc58390, already told you
[17:30] <qwebirc58390> HPq14
[17:30] <asumo> qwebirc58390: give lubuntu or kubuntu a try
[17:30] <asumo> leaner versions
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> asumo: stop that please
[17:31] <qwebirc58390> ioria: checking the chat for your suggestion of alternative build
[17:31] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: well, we can't, the (embedded) HW support does not newer kernels. And newer ubuntus use systemd, which require newer kernel.
[17:31] <asumo> lotuspsychje: stop what?
[17:31] <asumo> so much bitching
[17:31] <asumo> and all i am trying to do is help
[17:31] <OerHeks> asumo stop helping changing versions, just focus on wifi fixing
[17:31] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: perhaps this too is #ubuntu-discuss?
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> asumo: yep ^
[17:33] <sveinse> Will the repos for 14.04 LTS be taken down? Or just not more updated?
[17:34] <OerHeks> sveinse, they will fade away, and the EOLupgrade factoid gives 1 server for testing purposes
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: nacc already told you
[17:34] <OerHeks> !eolupgrade
[17:35] <OerHeks> sveinse, wait, why do you thing they will get updates :-D
[17:36] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: nacc: sorry I overlooked that. What I ment to ask was what happens to the physical 14.04 repo, but from the URL above it seems they are reachable at least
[17:36] <qwebirc58390> Thanks all
[17:36] <qwebirc58390> I will research more and try to resolve this
[17:36] <qwebirc58390> Hope everyone has a good day'
[17:37] <sveinse> OerHeks: I don't expect any updates, but I need to know if I should plan having a local on-prem mirror of 14.04 in case it goes away
[18:18] <OerHeks> https://usn.ubuntu.com/
[18:22] <ioria> !info firefox
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> my brave browser(snap) issue got a bit weirder, i can launch it from gnome app list & software center but not from the dock
[18:25] <tomreyn> sveinse: they will be moved to a different hostname at an unannounced date, without notification to anyone.
[18:26] <tomreyn> sveinse: but then you shouldn't need to be asking this in the first place.
[18:27] <sveinse> tomreyn: thanks. what do you mean "shouldn't nee to be asking"?
[18:28] <tomreyn> sveinse: your question suggests that you intend to run 14.04 systems beyond EOL. you should not be doing this, should have planned for preventing this.
[18:30] <sveinse> tomreyn: yeah, generically I completely agree. For us it's a business decision and a contingency. The picture is more complex than what is stated here. It's a part an an embedded product where support is required beyond the upstream ubuntu support.
[18:30] <tomreyn> that's unless you're an !ESM customer, in which case you'll be receiving (probably already received) instructions on how to benefit from extended support. but ESM is really out of scope here.
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> this is when i launch brave from gnome software list: https://hastebin.com/elivugalez.sql
[18:34] <Guest13342> Hello!  When I run "sudo iptables -L" it prints part of the list and just... hangs
[18:36] <tomreyn> Guest13342: what's the output of:   nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};)
[18:36] <ioria> lotuspsychje, i think it's a apparmor problem
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> ioria: i tryed setting permissions in software center, but no dice
[18:38] <ioria> lotuspsychje, but if you copy /var/lib/snapd/desktop/applications/brave_brave.desktop   on your Desktop and trust it,it works
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> ioria: lemme try
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> ioria: yes, works
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> ioria: dragging to dock doesnt work
[18:42] <ioria> lotuspsychje, no relevant logs infos about the Dock failure
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> ioria: no doesnt give me output when launch from dock
[18:42] <howitzer> hello
[18:43] <howitzer> Lotus
[18:49] <ioria> lotuspsychje, when did you install brave ? right now ?
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> ioria: a while ago, tryed a reinstall and a --classic reinstall also no dice
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> ioria: when i add icon to favorites(dock) from your location or desktop, it also dont launch
[18:52] <ioria> lotuspsychje, yep:  https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/a7kp2k/the_brave_browser_will_not_open_from_ubuntu_side/
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[18:52] <ioria> lotuspsychje,  seems you need thei pkg
[18:52] <pa> blackflow: so, usb drive sitting in front of me. 18.04 freshly installed, no X running. disk spun down after 30' of startup. staid so for a few hours
[18:52] <pa> now it has been awaken again
[18:53] <pa> so i'd say the problem is still there
[18:53] <pa> maybe your drives are different
[18:53] <pa> i can tell you that this one stays spun down on 14.04
[18:53] <ioria> lotuspsychje,  from here i mean  : https://brave.com/
[18:56] <pa> blackflow: and i can't see suspicious processes that can be blamed.. http://paste.debian.net/hidden/fed3c3a3/
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> ioria: seems such a dirty workaround, from an lts installing brave from software and it doesnt work
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> ioria: but tnx for the proposal :p
[19:00] <ioria> ok
[19:20] <fleabeard> hello friends, was hoping someone could advise on how I can enable http strict-transport security (hsts) for apache2? I'm guessing I need to enable a module in apache2 for this functionality, but am clueless on how to load the module.
[19:20] <hexhaxtron> What would be an easy way to password-protect a directory on Nautilus?
[19:20] <teward> fleabeard: HSTS is done by a header
[19:20] <teward> fleabeard: not a specialized module
[19:21] <teward> fleabeard: https://raymii.org/s/tutorials/HTTP_Strict_Transport_Security_for_Apache_NGINX_and_Lighttpd.html#Set_up_HSTS_in_Apache2 is one such place you'll be able to find an easy explanation of what to add where
[19:21] <fleabeard> thanks teward, I'll give that a good read :)
[19:21] <teward> fleabeard: but enable the HEaders module, then add something like this to the VirtualHost definition: Header always set Strict-Transport-Security "max-age=63072000; includeSubdomains;"
[19:22] <fleabeard> teward, yep, that's what I mean to say, was how to load the Headers module, lol. I'm still new to this stuff unfortunately :)
[19:22] <fleabeard> reading your link now
[19:22] <teward> fleabeard: `sudo a2enmod headers`
[19:22] <teward> fleabeard: that should enable the module :p
[19:23] <teward> without the backticks
[19:23] <fleabeard> teward, awesome! Many thanks!
[19:28] <Waowannoyed> Hi guys, Im a linux noob and just got ubuntu, then downloaded xfce and the touchpad was not working, so I looked up some solution that said tgat i should sudo apt-get xserver-xorg-synaptics(something), it solved the touchpad issue but now my keyboard is not working, thanks
[19:30] <nevodka> Running 16.04
[19:30] <nevodka> Running 16.04 LTS and google-chrome-stable no longer brings up a window.
[19:30] <nevodka> The processes all get started but nothing gets outputted to terminal, and no window appears.
[19:31] <nevodka> (meanwhile firefox works just fine.)
[19:31] <nevodka> Suppose I'll try to purge and reinstall.
[19:32] <Blankspace> HI
[19:33] <Blankspace> how to know java home directory\
[19:33] <Blankspace> in ubuntu
[19:33] <nevodka> Aaand the issue persists.
[19:33] <nevodka> Blankspace: env | grep JAVA
[19:35] <Blankspace> WHEN i do that i get some path
[19:35] <Blankspace> but when i type that path in some other program which asks for it
[19:35] <Blankspace> it says invalid jdk directory
[19:36] <nevodka> Too vague.
[19:36] <Blankspace> like i am trying to run one software i downloaded
[19:36] <Blankspace> it asks for java home directory
[19:36] <piratassilicio> eae
[19:36] <OerHeks> openjdk10 /usr/lib/jvm/java-11-openjdk-amd64
[19:36] <nevodka> Was the path tied to JAVA_HOME? What path is the program asking you to enter?
[19:36] <Blankspace> to run
[19:37] <Blankspace> jdk home directory
[19:37] <Blankspace> path to jdk home directory
[19:37] <nevodka> (p.s. removing the google-chrome config solved my issue)
[19:37] <Bashing-om> Waowannoyed: synaptics (touchpad) is deprecated in favor of libinput; See: apt show xserver-xorg-input-libinput .
[19:37]  * piratassilicio is away: Estou ocupado
[19:37]  * piratassilicio is back (gone 00:00:05)
[19:37] <OerHeks>  /usr/bin/java
[19:38] <nevodka> Blankspace: what was the output of env | grep JAVA
[19:38] <OerHeks> you could check yourself
[19:38] <nevodka> Did it give you a path for JAVA_HOME?
[19:38] <Blankspace> JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-openjdk-i386/jre/bin/java
[19:38] <Blankspace> how do i know if i have jdk installed
[19:39] <OerHeks> Blankspace, you just showed us
[19:39] <nevodka> apt list --installed | grep jdk
[19:39] <OerHeks> but 8 is old, i would go for 11
[19:39] <Blankspace> so this is correct path?
[19:40] <Blankspace> how do i upgrade
[19:40] <Blankspace> to 11
[19:40] <nevodka>  /shrug
[19:40] <nevodka> not a java user
[19:40] <Blankspace> nor am i
[19:40] <Blankspace> i just want to run the sotware i donloaded
[19:40] <OerHeks> sudo apt install <package>
[19:41] <Blankspace> downloaded
[19:41] <Ben64> Blankspace: what software
[19:41] <ceciestuntest> test
[19:41] <OerHeks> !test
[19:42] <screwdriver> Hiiiiii, Does anybody know of a way to change the default dashboard/application launcher? I really want to move to Ubuntu but I really dislike the dashboard. I like the way the slingscold launcher looks but it doesn't seem updated for 18+.
[19:42] <screwdriver> I normally would be fine with Kubuntu but I am getting a tablet laptop soon and really like the way Unity works on laptops.
[19:43] <leftyfb> screwdriver: there's multiple desktop environments you can try
[19:43] <screwdriver> I've tried a couple but they change too much, the only issue with Unity I have is the dashboard.
[19:44] <leftyfb> though, if you like Unity, the default gnome implementation on Ubuntu 18.04 and newer look basically the same way
[19:44] <leftyfb> dashboard?
[19:44] <Blankspace> y is it showing not a valid jdk home directory\
[19:44] <screwdriver> It does not show new applications when installed and there are no categories for apps or anything
[19:44] <Ben64> Blankspace: ask your software vendor
[19:45] <screwdriver> Yea like the little unity button on the left. I think it's called the dash.
[19:45] <leftyfb> screwdriver: there are gnome extensions you can install that will give you an application menu with categories
[19:45] <screwdriver> Ooohh do you know what they are called? I have wasted hours in Google trying to find something like that.
[19:45] <leftyfb> screwdriver: https://extensions.gnome.org/
[19:46] <screwdriver> Thank youuuu <3
[19:46] <screwdriver> I'll check them out, I appreciate it. :)
[19:46] <OerHeks> tip:  install gnome-tweak-tool, to have access to gnome extentions setting
[19:46] <leftyfb> screwdriver: I use the "Frippery Applications Menu"
[19:46] <leftyfb> OerHeks: I've had issues with using tweak to manage extensions. I don't recommend it
[19:47] <leftyfb> It put a couple extensions into a limbo state
[19:48] <chriys> hi, I have Ubuntu 18.04 I'm trying to add a Konica Minolta C554. Any link, doc or tips to have it working on my machine so that I can print ?
[19:50] <OerHeks> leftyfb, some extentions needs hot corners enabled, pretty weird indeed
[19:51] <OerHeks> i checked openprinting, http://www.openprinting.org/driver/Postscript-KONICA_MINOLTA/
[19:56] <Sven_vB> on xenial, one of my prgrams (Microsoft VDCode) accepts most of my key bindings perfectly, just not ctrl+shift+u. c+s+(some other letter) works; u and s+u also work, just not with ctrl held. how can I test whether the u keystroke is sent to vscode, or lost somewhere in the magic of X or my window manager?
[20:27] <DurkeyWorm> hey all, i had a question about using debian-installer with a custom live iso i've built
[20:27] <DurkeyWorm> how do I invoke the actual installer
[20:27] <DurkeyWorm> at boot
[20:27] <OerHeks> debian installer? try #debian ?
[20:28] <DurkeyWorm> i only ask here since i'm using it with an ubuntu build
[20:29] <DurkeyWorm> ie ubuntu server uses debian-installer to do the actual install
[20:29] <OerHeks> oh, tasksel?
[20:29] <DurkeyWorm> possibly
[20:29] <CarlFK> DurkeyWorm: I'd post the script you used to make the disk, and if you did it all by hand... good luck :p
[20:30] <OerHeks> yeah, the custom part ..
[20:31] <DurkeyWorm> i suppose i could write a script to do the "install" part
[20:31] <CarlFK> DurkeyWorm: https://github.com/CarlFK/DVswitchLiveCD "start with a Ubuntu Live CD (desktop install CD)  ..."  (about 10 years old, so I wouldn't expect it to work)
[20:31] <OerHeks> that would be predeed?
[20:31] <OerHeks> c/preseed
[20:31] <DurkeyWorm> ok, i'll try with a preseed file
[20:31] <DurkeyWorm> i'll let you know how that goes
[20:32] <DurkeyWorm> Thanks CarlFK and OerHeks
[20:32] <DurkeyWorm> i'll take a look at that link as well
[20:32] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/example-preseed.txt
[20:32] <DurkeyWorm> nice!
[20:32] <DurkeyWorm> thanks!
[20:32] <CarlFK> DurkeyWorm: if you want to start over: https://salsa.debian.org/carlfk-guest/ansible/blob/usb-reorg1/usbinst/mk_usb_installer.sh
[20:32] <OerHeks> you got me off by debian installer, have fun!
[20:33] <DurkeyWorm> :) no worries
[20:33] <DurkeyWorm> i'll update either way :P
[20:33] <fleabeard> teward, I got it all working thanks to your help, mate so thanks! Aside from disabling ServerSignature, ServerToken, Disabling Directory Browsing & HSTS Enabled, would you suggest any other ways to harden a new apache2 webserver? It'll be running my wife's wordpress site eventually.
[20:33] <OerHeks> there is cubic also, to creat your own.. https://askubuntu.com/questions/741753/how-to-use-cubic-to-create-a-custom-ubuntu-live-cd-image
[20:34] <teward> fleabeard: firewalling the host system, if you can, and then additional PHP hardening within Wordpress.
[20:34] <teward> fleabeard: but other than that basic hardening will have been 'done'
[20:34] <lordcirth> fleabeard, run https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/ against it
[20:34] <lordcirth> While weak TLS is far from the most common way to attack a server, it's easy to fix
[20:35] <DurkeyWorm> Oerheks, I tried Cubic a little bit, but it seemed to work best for a graphical install
[20:35] <DurkeyWorm> at least that was my impression
[20:35] <fleabeard> lordcirth, thanks, I think I did this when I installed an ssl via letsencrypt, believe it scored an A :)
[20:36] <lordcirth> fleabeard, good. recheck every year or so, they update their requirements regularly.
[20:36] <fleabeard> teward, thanks, I'll look into that as well. Running wp makes my skin crawl since it's usually hacked all the time :/
[20:36] <CarlFK> DurkeyWorm: I'd try that salsa link I gave you.  the hard part will be remembering to git checkout the branch
[20:37] <lordcirth> I've tested Hugo for generating a blog. It's a static site generator, so not much to attack.
[20:37] <teward> fleabeard: there's hardening steps you can take, but that'll come after the Wordpress part :p
[20:37] <DurkeyWorm> cool, ty CarlFK
[20:38] <CarlFK> DurkeyWorm:   "try" = do what it says, not start hacking it first.  get the default working first.  that should be super easy.
[20:38] <DurkeyWorm> yep that makes sense
[20:38] <Blankspace> i installed java 11
[20:39] <Blankspace> but still java home shows java 8
[21:10] <gambl0r3> whats the best way to uninstall npm from my ubuntu?
[21:10] <xamithan> apt remove npm?
[21:12] <OerHeks> apt or pip3?
[22:03] <DurkeyWorm> i think my issue is creating a working initrd
[22:03] <DurkeyWorm> it seems like all of the standard mechanisms for generating and editing one don't want to work
[22:05] <DurkeyWorm> apparently there's microcode at the beginning of the generated initrd files that cpio won't account for
[22:08] <DurkeyWorm> is there a way to boot only to the ramfs?
[22:51] <CarlFK> 16.04, audacity - vu meeter shows it is picking up sound from my mic.  how do I monitor it in my headphones?
[22:53] <Swu> woah
[22:53] <Swu> cool
[23:16] <murthy> CarlFK: open alsamixer in a terminal, press f5 key, then enable loopback
[23:16] <craigbass76> I have something plugged into my PC, and I can see my VU meters moving, but I'm not hearing it out the speakers. I am hearing sound from applcations, just not my bass.
[23:17] <murthy> craigbass76: open alsamixer in a terminal, press f5 key, then enable loopback
[23:17] <craigbass76> curious about that alsamixer question I just missed
[23:19] <craigbass76> murthy, I actually don't see a loopback
[23:20] <craigbass76> I'm plugged in with one of those Scarlett USB rigs, and I might think that's the issue, but like I said, the VU meter is moving in the GUI mixer
[23:21] <murthy> craigbass76: I am not familiar with Scarlett USB device
[23:22] <CarlFK> murthy: how do I "enable loopback" ?
[23:22] <craigbass76> Well, like I said, I don't think that's the issue. If the meter wasn't moving, I would.
[23:22] <murthy> craigbass76: Generally we can do the method I mentioned with most sound cards, some may be different
[23:22] <craigbass76> CarlFK, do you see a loopback slider in alsamixer?
[23:22] <raidghost> Name.service startup scripts
[23:22] <raidghost> where are they supposed to be made?
[23:23] <murthy> CarlFK: use your left right keys to choose loopback and then press up button
[23:23] <raidghost> tried systemctl enable Name.service and nothing happend.
[23:23] <CarlFK> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/B66P36HjnZ/  alsamixer
[23:24] <xamithan> Where did you put them
[23:24] <CarlFK> ah, those are arrorws.. there is more. found loopback, but is says "enabled"
[23:24] <raidghost> xamithan: /lib/systemd/system/
[23:25] <murthy> raidghost: run the command "systemctl list-units" and see if the unit you are searching exists
[23:25] <xamithan> they go in etc not lib
[23:25] <xamithan> the package provided ones go in lib
[23:26] <murthy> CarlFK: did you press the f5 key?
[23:26] <murthy> CarlFK: ignore above
[23:26] <CarlFK> murthy: I g2g, thanks for the tips
[23:27] <murthy> CarlFK: If loopback is enabled then you should be able to hear
[23:27] <xamithan> Also,  if you aren't rebooting you need to do a systemctl daemon-reload after you make a new file
[23:34] <raidghost> xamithan: so allways etc then?
[23:34] <xamithan> Yes
[23:34] <raidghost> Thanks ;)
[23:35] <xamithan> don't forget the daemon-reload too
[23:35] <xamithan> it doesn't auto refresh those files except on boot
[23:35] <raidghost> oh. after the systemctl enable file.service?
[23:35] <xamithan> before that
[23:35] <raidghost> hmm. okey then ;)
[23:36] <NewToLubuntu> I was wondering if anyone could recommend a program I could use for optical character recognition in images for Japanese hiragana if I drag a window around what I want to converto to text characters.
[23:37] <NewToLubuntu> I remember I used to have something years ago on windows for that but I forgot the name and imagine I could need something different now.
[23:37] <craigbass76> murthy, that's weird. I can record in audacity, listen to it afterwards, but not hear it DURING...
[23:37] <craigbass76> Usually I need jack to really throw me for a loop, not pulse by itself...
[23:39] <tomreyn> NewToLubuntu: you want OCR, but only while you are dragging a window around? that's a peculiar use case, no?
[23:40] <NewToLubuntu> well just something user-friendly like if I am looking at an image like http://clotica.com/Amatsurichara2.png and want to transcribe the hiragana on the upper right
[23:41] <NewToLubuntu> doing the entire image would probably clutter the output and lead to confusion
[23:41] <NewToLubuntu> though if need be I could manually crop it and then feed the cropped image to OCR
[23:42] <OerHeks> Tesseract claims to do Japanese OCR
[23:42] <tomreyn> oh you mean you want to select part of the image only as input to the OCR, i see. so not drag and drop.
[23:42] <OerHeks> ABBYY and Readiris too
[23:43] <NewToLubuntu> yeah I meant like hold down mouse and drag it to select the corners of a box
[23:44] <NewToLubuntu> I tried KanjiTomo but it wouldn't launch ,said they onl tested it on windows 7/10
[23:44] <NewToLubuntu> thought it had worked on vista in past
[23:44] <OerHeks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/16268/whats-the-best-simplest-ocr-solution
[23:44] <qwebirc56993> Hey yall
[23:44] <qwebirc56993> I need some halp
[23:44] <qwebirc56993> Anyone there?
[23:44] <NewToLubuntu> something which could recognize kanji as well wuold be great, but at bare minimum I was hoping for the hiragana
[23:44] <shadrowramm> sure
[23:44] <tomreyn> !ask | qwebirc56993
[23:45] <qwebirc56993> Ok I'm sorry. I'm having problems connecting to the internet through WICD
[23:45] <qwebirc56993> No matter how many times I refresh nothing happens
[23:46] <tomreyn> NewToLubuntu: you can use ocrfeeder with tesseract, it works okay for english and other latin script text. I do not know about hiragana, though. Worth a try?
[23:46] <qwebirc56993> Distro is Ubuntu 18.04 running XFCE
[23:47] <OerHeks> that was my 1st thought too, tesseract https://github.com/tesseract-ocr/tesseract/wiki/Data-Files
[23:47] <tomreyn> https://github.com/tesseract-ocr/tesseract/wiki/ControlParams#useful-parameters-for-japanese-and-chinese
[23:49] <tomreyn> qwebirc56993: xfce comes with network manager by default. why are you preferring wicd?
[23:49] <tomreyn> *xubuntu
[23:50] <qwebirc56993> I am not preferring it lol. I bought this computer with 18.04 on it already and it had Xfce loaded along with wicd
[23:50] <qwebirc56993> I needed a cheap computer to do basic word processing and internet, but I cant do either right now
[23:54] <tomreyn> qwebirc56993: who sold it like this? i suggest you install xubuntu 18.04.2 on it, then, restore your backuos.
[23:55] <qwebirc56993> I got it off craigslist. I cant install ubuntu without internet. This is my only computer
[23:55] <tomreyn> then how are yo typing this?
[23:55] <qwebirc56993> My phone
[23:55] <tomreyn> so your phone must be a computer, too
[23:56] <qwebirc56993> There's an IRC web link on the ubuntu IRC wiki
[23:58] <tomreyn> qwebirc56993: do you have a live/installer usb stick or optical media you can boot from?
[23:58] <qwebirc56993> So any suggestions on how to get internet working through WICD?
[23:58] <qwebirc56993> I do not
[23:59] <qwebirc56993> I've got a USB coming in the mail but that wont do much if I dont ge internet
[23:59] <tomreyn> does your computer have a wired or wireless connection?
[23:59] <qwebirc56993> Wireless. Idk if I have an ethernet cable


[08:48] <derami90> Hi
[08:49] <derami90> I have a short Question: Is there going to be a LTS Version once the next Ubuntu LTS comes out?
[08:52] <smartboyhw> derami90, 99% of chance I think
[08:52] <derami90> Thanks!
[08:58] <darkxst> smartboyhw, we won't officially have an LTS version
[08:59] <smartboyhw> darkxst, why?
[08:59] <smartboyhw> You are qualified to
[09:00] <darkxst> we don't really have the man power to maintain it
[09:00] <darkxst> that said, updates will continue to flow via the normal archives
[09:00] <tommie-lie> for anything but the Desktop, that is ;-)
[09:01] <darkxst> well GNOME is moving at such a fast pace, it becomes incredibly difficult to backport fixes
[09:02] <darkxst> although we will see what RH do now, that gnome-shell (albeit classic) in going into RHEL
[09:02] <smartboyhw> darkxst, I think Lubuntu is simliar as you guys, and they want LTS.
[09:03] <darkxst> they also have more manpower than us!
[09:05] <smartboyhw> darkxst, not developer-wise:P
[09:05] <smartboyhw> That's for sure
[09:05] <smartboyhw> And, they have a lot more of images to maintain than you guys
[09:07] <tommie-lie> smartboyhw: it also depends on how upstream behaves. If they support their old releases or even just don't release as often as Gnome does, a LTS is much easier
[09:14] <darkxst> there is currently no upstream LTS support for GNOME
[09:14] <darkxst> smartboyhw, it also comes down to testers, 90% when I make a SRU, I have to do the testing myself ;(
[09:15] <smartboyhw> darkxst, I thought Ali would handle the testing (he's your QA lead after all)
[09:16] <darkxst> smartboyhw, yeh, although he has been a bit busy with real life stuff this cycle
[09:16] <smartboyhw> darkxst, actually, he's too busy I think:P
[09:16] <darkxst> smartboyhw, probably that too!
[09:16] <smartboyhw> He's jumping from distribution to distribution
[09:18] <darkxst> right
[09:21] <smartboyhw> (Although I am too:P)
[09:26] <darkxst> why all the jumping?
[09:26] <smartboyhw> darkxst, good question. But I seem to be able to handle it.
[13:29] <checoimg> Hi guys
[13:30] <checoimg> I just want to mention that the notifications are now shown when pressing the pointer down in the border not in the right down corner
[13:30] <checoimg> I was having trouble with this but by accident discovered it
[13:30] <checoimg> Any area down will do except the corners
[13:31] <checoimg> when I say "pressing" I mean trying to down down even when you reach the bottom
[22:45] <jbicha> darkxst: we're not going to try to backport the GNOME 3.10 default wallpaper, right?
[23:40] <darkxst> jbicha, we might as well, but not sure if we should make it default
[23:56] <jbicha> darkxst: well this was the commit: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-themes-standard/commit/?id=3d738
[23:57] <jbicha> which means it's going to replace the old default
[23:57] <jbicha> quilt can't handle binary changes like that so we'd have to overwrite the files manually
[23:58] <darkxst> we could add it as new wallpaper? ie rename the files and update xml file
[23:58] <jbicha> and specify the files in debian/source/include-binaries


[10:39] <caribou> Hello, where is the best place to warn about an issue with a package that sbader worked on and was pushed through SRU yesterday ?
[10:40] <caribou> SRU was lp: #1928700
[10:40] <caribou> here or Libera.chat ?
[11:02] <xnox> caribou:  what's the issue?
[11:02] <xnox> caribou:  normally you can notify things like "regression-updates" and "regression-proposed" in ubuntu-release. but here is fine too.
[11:27] <ricotz> hello :), I am suffering from this nouveau-drm crash https://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/nouveau/nouveau-crash -- https://lore.kernel.org/patchwork/patch/1425268/ seems to target this problem
[11:48] <caribou> xnox: lp: #1929255
[11:49] <caribou> when upgrading linux-base, the /initrd.img symlink gets broken, hence the next reboot fails
[11:50] <caribou> I haven't tested it myself, but a colleague ran into it yesterday
[11:58] <xnox> caribou:  thanks, adjusted tags on all the things. The update should be blocked from going out, until the 55 bug is looked at.
[11:59] <caribou> Thanks! I would have pushed it further myself, but I'm in a bind for a release tomorrow and already fighting with the Debian kernel
[12:46] <ricotz> is there a current working guide for how to build a patched kernel from hwe-5.8 focal branch?


[19:00] <AlanBell> sorted it
[19:00] <Pici> AlanBell: at all related to kindercore in -offtopic?
[19:00] <AlanBell> yeah
[19:00] <AlanBell> was trolling in uk and also women a moment ago