[11:00] <bencrisford> highvoltage: todays the day :)
[12:36] <highvoltage> bencrisford: cool! I'm just catching up on a few things but I'll be around the whole day and give a bunch of bugs attention as well!
[12:37] <highvoltage> (ps: I'm awake during more or less EDT timezome so day is more or less starting for me now :p)
[12:40] <bencrisford> highvoltage: ok awesome :), #ubuntu-bugs is looking a bit dead at the moment, but hopefully a little later there'll be plenty of people around helping us squash some bugs :)
[12:40] <bencrisford> and EDT? :P I thought you lived in south africa?
[12:42] <bencrisford> i'm gonna make some lunch, back soon
[12:43] <highvoltage> bencrisford: I do, but I work for a canadian company
[12:59] <bencrisford> highvoltage: ah
[13:41] <mgariepy> good morning everyone
[13:44] <highvoltage> good morning mgariepy
[13:45] <bencrisford> mgariepy: good morning, and happy bug day!  :)
[13:45] <mgariepy> highvoltage, will you be over here by the summer ?
[13:45] <highvoltage> mgariepy: sheesh. who knows.
[13:46] <highvoltage> mgariepy: my visa can come any day... but it's been like that for the past 3 weeks, I don't know anymore
[13:46] <mgariepy> ok ;)
[13:46] <highvoltage> mgariepy: I check my postbox every day, as soon as I have it I'll be there in less than two weeks
[13:47] <mgariepy> ok
[13:47] <mgariepy> so shall we schedule a beer somewhere for 2012 ?
[13:47] <mgariepy> ;)
[13:47] <highvoltage> mgariepy: to make things worse, I can't even apply for a visa for the UDS because the canadian embassy has my passport
[13:47] <highvoltage> mgariepy: hehe, yes, before the world ends :)
[13:48] <mgariepy> yeah the day before then haha
[14:10] <bencrisford> is there anything more depressing than slow downloads...
[14:18] <mhall119> good morning
[14:18] <mhall119> highvoltage: were you guys on holiday yesterday?
[14:26] <highvoltage> mhall119: yep, isn't it a holiday in the US too?
[14:26] <mhall119> no
[14:27] <mhall119> even Good Friday isn't a holiday for most people
[14:27] <highvoltage> mhall119: ok, wow. I always thought that it's a public holiday in most of the world
[14:27] <mhall119> in most of the world
[14:27] <mhall119> we're backward when it comes to these things
[14:27] <highvoltage> well, most countries where there's lots of christian people, at least :)
[14:28] <mhall119> If I'm lucky, I'll get a full week of vacation time this year
[14:29] <mhall119> highvoltage: well now that you're back, can you look over my new qimo packages in revu?
[14:31] <highvoltage> mhall119: yep!
[14:32] <highvoltage> mhall119: did you talk to anybody about a freeze exception yet?
[14:32] <mhall119> I made the bug reports according top the FFe request guidelines
[14:33] <mhall119> sispoty was helping me with that
[14:33] <mhall119> I was told they were on the FFe queue, but I needed to have developer review and approval of the packages first
[14:35] <highvoltage> mhall119: ok great
[14:58] <sbalneav> Morning all
[15:02] <mhall119> morning sbalneav
[15:02] <JackLD> morning, I'm just lurking while I try and get some work done.
[15:13] <bencrisford> JackLD: hi :)
[15:13] <bencrisford> hello sbalneav :)
[15:13] <sbalneav> Morning bencrisford
[15:13] <sbalneav> I see highvoltage approved you!
[15:13] <bencrisford> sbalneav: for..?
[15:13] <sbalneav> I was off on Holidays last week, was going to do it, then saw that it had already been done.
[15:13] <sbalneav> bugsquad, I beleive
[15:14] <highvoltage> sbalneav: probably website team?
[15:15] <sbalneav> So, good piece of news, due to some hard work by DtkrKranz and myself, Sabayon's back in Debian Unstable!
[15:15] <sbalneav> bencrisford: Didn't you apply for bugsquad?
[15:15] <highvoltage> sbalneav: cool :)
[15:15] <sbalneav> I may be confused.
[15:16] <sbalneav> First day back after 10 off, and the coffee hasn't kicked in yet :)
[15:16] <bencrisford> sbalneav: lp says ive been a member since november
[15:16] <bencrisford> :S
[15:16] <sbalneav> lol
[15:16] <sbalneav> never mind me then.  Carry on Seargent Major!
[15:16] <bencrisford> and dont talk about coffee!  im trying to stop drinking it :(
[15:17] <sbalneav> Whatever for?!
[15:17] <mhall119> blasphemy
[15:17] <bencrisford> ive been drinking too much coffee..
[15:18] <bencrisford> now i get headaches if i go a day without it
[15:18] <bencrisford> so i think its time to cut down on my caffeine in-take
[15:18] <bencrisford> im not doing very well though
[15:18] <bencrisford> im ready to give up giving up already
[15:19] <sbalneav> Well. moderation in all things.
[15:19] <bencrisford> yeah
[15:19] <highvoltage> bencrisford: that's been happening to me too recently, it took me a while to figure out that it was the headaches was caused by withdrawel
[15:19] <sbalneav> Do like I do.  No more than 3 cups a day, all before 2 PM :)
[15:20] <bencrisford> highvoltage: yeah, yesterday evening i had a splitting headache, and then i realised i hadnt had any coffee that day
[15:20] <bencrisford> and the last few days ive been really craving chocolate, which has caffeine in right?
[15:20] <bencrisford> i wasnt hungry at all, just really wanted some choco :P
[15:21]  * bencrisford wonders what makes old monitors so heavy
[15:32] <highvoltage> bencrisford: transformers!
[15:34] <bencrisford> highvoltage: :/
[15:34] <highvoltage> (well and big tubes :) )
[15:34] <bencrisford> i have never actually looked inside a monitor
[15:34] <bencrisford> i was planning on turning one into a fish tank once
[15:35] <highvoltage> if you do, just be careful, some parts keep a high charge even when it's unplugged and turned off
[15:35] <bencrisford> but didnt know how id seal up the vents
[15:35] <bencrisford> maybe i wont..
[15:35] <bencrisford> :P
[15:35]  * bencrisford is getting angry with his dell optiplex gx110
[15:36] <bencrisford> i dont want to boot from hdd, cd OR diskette
[15:36] <highvoltage> I think what people do is basically build a fish tank that can fit inside the monitor, instead of turning the monitor itself into a fish tank
[15:36] <bencrisford> i want to boot from usb
[15:36] <bencrisford> highvoltage: oh
[15:36] <bencrisford> i never got around to looking in to it
[15:36] <bencrisford> i just thought it would be cool :P
[15:38] <bencrisford> :@ how am i meant to boot from usb when apparently my box hasnt even heard of it
[15:39] <bencrisford> i want to install edubuntu on it so i have a low spec testing platform
[15:39] <bencrisford> but the cd drives jammed and i cba to fix it
[15:42] <alkisg> bencrisford: why don't you want to boot from a diskette, and install edubuntu over the network?
[15:42] <alkisg> (if your motherboard doesn't support usb booting, that is...)
[15:42] <bencrisford> alkisg: i didnt know that was possible
[15:42] <bencrisford> diskettes can fit an iso on? :S
[15:43] <alkisg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDNetboot#line-75
[15:43] <sbalneav> No, but you can fit etherboot on 'em.
[15:43] <alkisg> And you'll need the diskette from rom-o-matic to netboot
[15:43] <bencrisford> i cant get internet on my dell box
[15:43] <sbalneav> Or, just pop in a pci network card that does support pxe.
[15:43] <bencrisford> well i could ethernet
[15:43] <bencrisford> but im miles away from the router
[15:43] <alkisg> Hey sbalneav, we missed you :)
[15:43] <bencrisford> and im not that bothered about installing edu
[15:43] <sbalneav> Back from hollydays :)
[15:44] <alkisg> True holidays, with no net... :D
[15:46] <sbalneav> yes
[15:46] <sbalneav> Sometimes, I just need a break :)
[15:49] <bencrisford> whoa floppys are slow
[16:30] <highvoltage> mhall119: I'll do a review on those packages in about 2 hours
[16:46] <mhall119> thanks
[18:42] <sbalneav> So, I've got a 32 bit Ubuntu install here.  How do I turn it into a 64 bit install?  Just install a different kernel?
[18:47] <bencrisford> sbalneav: ive never really thought about that...
[18:47] <bencrisford> is there an ubuntu amd64 channel?
[18:47] <sbalneav> ubuntu-server'd probably be the people to ask.
[18:48] <sbalneav> I'd really rather not re-install.
[18:48] <mgariepy> sbalneav, if you find out i would like to know :)
[18:50] <bencrisford> id be interested as well, i dont need to know, but it could come in useful at some point
[18:57] <highvoltage> bencrisford: syncing to the latest edbuntu build so that I can check latest issue statusses, about 82% done syncing
[18:58] <highvoltage> sbalneav: there's no real supported way to do it, you could replace the kernel and then re-install the packages, but some packages break on re-installation and it's probably best to just re-install
[18:59] <sbalneav> Yeah, kvm's busted on 32 bit karmic.
[18:59] <mhall119> I think reinstalling is the easiest way to get from 32 to 64
[19:00] <sbalneav> So far, the only way proffered by ubuntu is to move to 64 bit
[19:05] <bencrisford> highvoltage: :)
[19:05] <bencrisford> i have to go out for two hours..  brass band rehearsal :P
[19:47] <Ahmuck-Sr> sbalneav: ur migrating ur users on the upgrade?
[20:00] <sbalneav> Ahmuck-Sr: This is just my own personal box.
[20:00] <sbalneav> I'm looking at trying out davical: www.davical.org
[20:01] <sbalneav> I have 3 choices:
[20:01] <sbalneav> 1) repackage the latest source release ---> time consuming
[20:02] <sbalneav> 2) Just "install the source, luke!" ---> Easy, but not-easily-upgradable
[20:02] <alkisg> (08:42:41 μμ) sbalneav: So, I've got a 32 bit Ubuntu install here.  How do I turn it into a 64 bit install?  Just install a different kernel? ==> afaik the only way is to reinstall :)
[20:02] <sbalneav> 3) Run a Debian Lenny box under KVM and use his upstream released .debs ---> ran into KVM issue.
[20:03] <sbalneav> So, it's looking like 2) at the moment ;)
[20:05] <ogra> sbalneav, 4) ask upstream to also provide i386 debs :)
[20:05] <sbalneav> Well, they're _all
[20:05] <sbalneav> I'm just going to try installing the debian lenny debs, for a laugh
[20:06] <sbalneav> it's all in php
[20:06] <ogra> if they are _all you can install them on i386 anyway
[20:07] <sbalneav> Preparing to replace libawl-php 0.37 (using libawl-php_0.42-0_all.deb) ...
[20:07] <sbalneav> Unpacking replacement libawl-php ...
[20:07] <sbalneav> Preparing to replace davical 0.9.7-0 (using davical_<IP_ADDRESS>-0_all.deb) ...
[20:07] <sbalneav> Unpacking replacement davical ...
[20:07] <sbalneav> Setting up libawl-php (0.42-0) ...
[20:07] <sbalneav> Setting up davical (<IP_ADDRESS>-0) ...
[20:07] <sbalneav> huh
[20:07] <sbalneav> Well, so far so good :)
[20:09] <sbalneav> Huh!  Well, after I updated the database schema, away it goes.
[20:09] <sbalneav> So:
[20:09] <Ahmuck-Sr> i looked at ical, and calandering solutions.  there are few that are actually compliant.
[20:10] <sbalneav> Davical seems to be the only one that's even trying.
[20:10] <sbalneav> works with iPhone's right out of the box
[20:10] <Ahmuck-Sr> one was bedework, the other was sojo(?)
[20:10] <ogra> if y'all woulödnt be so evophobic you could just use evo :)
[20:10] <sbalneav> I will
[20:10] <Ahmuck-Sr> compliant via webcal, devcal, and groupcal
[20:10] <sbalneav> We're looking at moving to evo
[20:10] <ogra> sweet
[20:10] <sbalneav> with davical on the backend.
[20:10] <ogra> ah
[20:10] <vmlintu> The calendaring stuff is a big mess..
[20:11] <sbalneav> I absolutely, positively MUST have group/shared calendaring.
[20:11] <Ahmuck-Sr> sorry, sogo
[20:11] <Ahmuck-Sr> http://www.scalableogo.org/english.html
[20:11] <Ahmuck-Sr> i'd consider one that is standards compliant imho
[20:12] <vmlintu> I went through everything I could possibly find two years ago and it seemed like every solution supported half of the clients..
[20:12] <Ahmuck-Sr> http://www.groupdav.org/implementations.html
[20:14] <Ahmuck-Sr> http://caldav.calconnect.org/implementations/servers.html
[20:14] <vmlintu> What I learnt was that if you need to sync with mobiles, you have to check those first..
[20:14] <Ahmuck-Sr> looks like davical is caldav compliant
[20:14] <sbalneav> What I'd love to find, even if I had to pay, is a blackberry caldav client.
[20:14] <Ahmuck-Sr> The Funambol SOGo Connector allows any SyncML enabled devices to fully synchronize contacts, events and tasks with SOGo. The connector is fast and reliable. It features :
[20:15] <Ahmuck-Sr> anywho, i settled upon sogo
[20:15] <sbalneav> Ahmuck-Sr: Know of any BB caldav clients?
[20:15] <Ahmuck-Sr> http://nexthaus.com/
[20:15] <Ahmuck-Sr> http://nexthaus.com/products_b_blackBerry.html
[20:16] <Ahmuck-Sr> now you too can have your crackberry :)
[20:16] <Ahmuck-Sr> and sync it too
[20:16] <Ahmuck-Sr> anywho, it connects with sogo.  i'm out for a bit, need to complete a magazine
[20:16] <sbalneav> thanks.
[20:17] <Ahmuck-Sr> anywho, bedework is more on the educational side vs the commercial side, but it's java
[20:18] <Ahmuck-Sr> and iirc, bedework was intergratable with moodle or some type of online classroom software
[20:18] <Ahmuck-Sr> bedework was specifically built for education, and is used in colleges
[20:19] <Ahmuck-Sr> https://www.forge.funambol.org/download/ - the open source edition(?)
[20:19] <vmlintu> Zimbra has also caldav, but you have to pay for the mobile stuff..
[20:20] <Ahmuck-Sr> Funambol is the leading mobile open source project and leading provider of open source mobile ... The Funambol Sync Client for Mac OS X adds SyncML capabilities to the Apple OS, ... Funambol JavaME/BlackBerry Email Client (ALL VERSIONS) .
[20:21] <Ahmuck-Sr> one of them, i i dont' recall which wrote the file out in xml and a standard form, rather than some crazy dev's idea of what it should be :)
[20:24] <Ahmuck-Sr> fwiw, i dumped tbird & sbird in favor of evolution
[20:43] <sbalneav> Ideally, what I'd like is just some BB app that I can install directly on the BB and just point it at the caldav server, and voila!
[20:44] <sbalneav> Thanks for all the info.
[20:45] <Ahmuck-Sr> BB == bulliten board?
[20:47] <sbalneav> BlackBerry
[20:48] <vmlintu> sbalneav: are you looking something that is fully open source?
[20:49] <sbalneav> On the blackberry side? No, don't care about that.  I'll gladly buy something.
[20:49] <vmlintu> I mean for the server
[20:50] <sbalneav> On the server side?  Yes, since we need to interact with our case management application, so I need to be able to dig into the guts so I can have the application add calendar entries for court dates, etc.
[20:50] <vmlintu> Blackberries are not sold here, so I have no idea how they work..
[20:51] <sbalneav> They're closed source, so I have no idea how they work either.   Sorry I'm coming in late here
[22:37] <Lns> guess not very active eh?
[22:37] <bencrisford> Lns: hasnt been as "epic" a bug day as i would have hoped :), but weve had a few bugs triaged successfully
[22:38] <bencrisford> pedro_ has been working very hard on the gimp bugs :)
[22:38] <Lns> cool :) Are we including Gimp with default install?
[22:38] <bencrisford> Lns: im not sure
[22:38] <bencrisford> but its been lited at the tinyurl/EduBugs since i can remember
[22:38] <bencrisford> listed*
[22:39] <bencrisford> hopefully we'll get some more participants before the end of the day
[22:39] <bencrisford> if nothing else i think weve made people realise where we are and how much we need help
[22:40] <bencrisford> the 300 open bugs says that quite nicely
[22:40] <Lns> That is a very good thing in and of itself
[22:43] <bencrisford> yep


[00:00] <bluesabre> you bet I was
[00:00] <ochosi> poke what?
[00:01] <bluesabre> ochosi: nvm, you're free to go
[00:01] <ochosi> :)
[00:01] <ochosi> anyway, i'm quite happy with how productive today's sprint was
[00:01] <ochosi> so kudos to everyone
[00:02] <ochosi> i'll have to set the next meeting soon, then we can see whether there's anything left to discuss
[00:02] <ochosi> bluesabre: have you seen the new MR by andrew for the greeter yet?
[00:06] <ochosi> so many options...
[00:28] <bluesabre> ochosi: haven't seen it yet
[00:31] <bluesabre> ochosi: actually, those look like nice improvements
[00:31] <ochosi> yeah, they are, it's just such a high level of customizability
[00:32] <ochosi> (keeping in mind that it's "just a greeter")
[00:33] <skellat> greeterD
[00:34] <bluesabre> right... eventually we'll run out of things to add though ;)
[00:34] <ochosi> heh
[00:34] <ochosi> as long as things are still stable, i'm fine with it anyway
[00:35] <ochosi> btw, i saw an odd bug about the greeter spawning new indicator processes with each login/logout
[00:35] <ochosi> sounds annoying for machines that run in public places with many users logging in and out each day
[00:36] <bluesabre> yeah, I think there might be a fix in the queue for that one
[00:39] <ochosi> oh cool
[00:39] <ochosi> that'd be relevant also for ll2.0
[00:39] <ochosi> imagine un/locking restarting indicators...
[00:40] <ochosi> i mean spawning indicators each time
[00:40] <ochosi> not really sure how ll2.0 and indicators are going to work anyway
[00:43] <ochosi> anyway, night all!
[00:43] <bluesabre> night ochosi
[00:44] <bluesabre> Unit193: so, any regressions likely by swapping evince to evince-gtk, or should we probably wait for the huge 3.14 drop?
[01:24] <Unit193> bluesabre: I have no idea, Gnome isn't something to predict.  I don't see -gtk picking up any new ones though, Debian still has it.
[01:25] <bluesabre> ok
[03:23] <Unit193> bluesabre: And, you may want to talk to Corsac as well.
[05:11] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, We already have evince 3.14, so it's unlikely anything will break form it
[10:56] <knome> added a mention of the release notes to near the top at http://xubuntu.org/help/
[11:49] <ochosi> folks, have any of you seen this sort of corruption in evince? http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-10-27-124835.php
[11:49] <ochosi> (seems related to ubuntu patching out the headerbars and faking a toolbar instead)
[13:28] <elfy> ochosi: yea - can confirm that 3.14.1 in vvampire
[13:30] <elfy> get a bunch of this, which looks familiar in a terminal (evince:12247): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_show: assertion 'GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed
[13:30] <elfy> bbl
[13:47] <ochosi> elfy: hmpf, uncool. we could test whether it's there in evince-gtk too
[14:05] <ochosi> hmpf, yeah, at least in U the corruption happens for both evince and evince-htk
[14:05] <ochosi> gtk
[14:42] <bluesabre> that looks annoying... is that new with an updated theme? it looked fine when I tested earlier
[15:06] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, it is. if i open evince without a file, it looks fine. if i open a pdf, i get this sorta corruption
[15:06] <ochosi> installed Ub2 and then upgraded
[15:26] <brainwash> bluesabre: any news re bug 1382977 ?
[15:27] <brainwash> did you or anyone else test the fix from upstream?
[15:39] <elfy> ochosi: ok - so I removed evince, installed -gtk
[15:40] <elfy> when I start it - no corruption as you, then open 1 and no corruption, open another and get corruption
[15:41] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, silly bug :/
[15:41] <elfy> yep
[15:41] <ochosi> the upside seems to be that evince-gtk seems to work just as well/badly as evince
[15:42] <elfy> and re the mimetype issue above - if thunar in vampire includes the upstream fix - then it appears to be ok as I don't get the same thing now here
[15:42] <elfy> ochosi: does this evince issue have a bug report or need one?
[15:43] <ochosi> it doesn't have one yet
[15:43] <ochosi> i've been pinging some folks in u-desktop about it, to see whether it appears in unity too
[15:43] <elfy> ok - I'll do one - start with LP
[15:43] <ochosi> just to know what to file it against (shimmer-themes or evince)
[15:43] <ochosi> okeydokey, thanks!
[15:43] <elfy> I can confirm or deny in unity first then :)
[15:44] <ochosi> you have unity installedß
[15:44] <ochosi> ?
[15:44] <elfy> no - but I tend to - when *we* get some issues I like to confirm in unity so I can hassle balloons :p
[15:44] <ochosi> ok :)
[15:44]  * ochosi hasn't tried unity in years
[15:44] <elfy> it's only ever a vm
[15:45] <elfy> it is better than it was seemingly - but I don't use it for long enough to really tell
[15:47] <elfy> oh
[15:47] <elfy> odd
[15:49] <elfy> ochosi: so do you see it with all pdf's?
[15:49] <ochosi> humm, i haven't noticed a pattern
[15:49] <ochosi> it just seemed to pop up randomely
[15:49] <ochosi> have you?
[15:49] <elfy> not seeing a pattern
[15:50] <ochosi> mka
[15:50] <ochosi> y
[15:50] <elfy> but if I rollup the title bar and then roll down a corrupted one is then uncorrupted
[15:50] <ochosi> yeah, which is why i think it's just a gtk rendering issue
[15:50] <ochosi> and i still suspect it's connected to that headerbar patch
[15:50] <ochosi> the only way to find out for sure would be to try evince 3.14 from upstream
[15:51] <ochosi> maybe there's a gnome3 ppa with evince with headerbar...
[15:52] <elfy> I'll get unity installed for the moment as I'll need it eventually anway
[15:53] <ochosi> elfy: the stuff in "discussion" on the meeting page has actually been discussed, right?
[15:53] <ochosi> so if you don't mind, i'd take it off there to clear space for the next meeting
[15:53] <ochosi> unless there is stuff to be kept around
[15:53] <elfy> yep - fine to clear that
[15:54] <ochosi> ok, ty
[15:58] <ochosi> !team | halloweeny meeting on friday, 11 utc
[15:59] <elfy> might still be awake :)
[15:59] <elfy> or might be unable to type ...
[16:01] <ochosi> :)
[16:41] <elfy> ochosi: radiance theme in unity http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-271014-163954.php
[16:41] <elfy> let me know how you want me to about reporting it
[17:40] <knome> ochosi, ^ added to calendar
[17:40] <knome> ochosi, and that's 11am, right?
[18:01] <elfy> oh
[18:01] <elfy> silly me - assumed sensible time at night
[18:03] <knome> hehe
[18:03] <Unit193> He linked to the clock that said AM.
[18:03] <knome> i'm not paying attention!
[18:03] <knome> :P
[18:04] <elfy> while this whole moving feast time is great - I wonder about the sense in having one person run 3 out of 9
[18:04] <elfy> and someone else 2 out of 9
[18:05] <slickymasterWork> well, at least it won't crash with dinner time
[18:06] <knome> slickymasterWork, lol, because everything else you can move around except EATING
[18:06] <knome> ;)
[18:07] <slickymasterWork> when my kid is with me is sort of difficult to move meals
[18:07] <slickymasterWork> one thing that always works great with younger kids is routines knome
[18:09] <knome> i was just teasing
[18:10] <Unit193> And, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m72yoqybvl1qgbyhko1_500.gif
[18:10] <slickymasterWork> yeah, I know :)
[18:11] <slickymasterWork> lol Unit193, quite right, she is
[18:30] <knosys> hello
[18:58] <Unit193> Looks like a short meeting, too bad I can't attend and make it shorter. :D
[18:58] <elfy> lol
[20:12] <knome> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~cjwatson/blosxom/2014/10/26#2014-10-26-moving-on-but-not-too-far
[20:12] <elfy> yea read that
[20:13] <Unit193> Linked to yesterday ^.  Sum up, LP only, or tiny bugs.
[20:13] <knome> i actually consider that a good thing
[20:14] <Unit193> Stepping down before burning out fully?  Or getting rid of cjwatson? :P
[20:14] <knome> not because he's now away from development, but because him working "full-time" on launchpad is (hopefully) going to be awesome
[20:14] <knome> and stepping down before burnout too
[20:14] <Unit193> Right, but really stinks for Ubuntu.
[20:14] <knome> does it?
[20:14] <knome> and do you mean ubuntu or ubuntu desktop :)
[20:14] <knome> going to eat some, back after that
[20:26] <ochosi> yes, am
[20:26] <ochosi> not pm
[20:27]  * Unit193 PMs ochosi.
[20:27] <ochosi> bbiab
[21:27] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/a0y78WkRnO7oeqkiuYF4/
[21:39] <knome> sighj
[21:39] <knome> -j
[21:42] <Unit193> Yeeep, but at least it's the same one as last time I pasted, and not a new one!
[21:45] <Unit193> knome: Did you fix it?
[21:46] <Unit193> knome: We can blame slickymaster if you didn't, because he's docs lead! :D
[21:46] <knome> i didn't, but maybe i should look at it
[21:55] <knome> Unit193, is there a quick way for you to check who has done those translations?
[21:56] <knome> Unit193, especially the ones that bring the translated tags?
[21:56] <knome> would like to tell the contributor to stop doing that because obviously we can't run after them and fix stuff all the time
[22:08] <Unit193> Think so on LP.
[22:20] <knome> https://launchpad.net/~franciscomol
[22:20] <knome> also has done </ application>
[22:20] <knome> i don't know if it's ok to leave spaces like that
[22:21] <knome> and another semi-annoying thing is that he's leaving spaces inside the tags
[22:21] <knome> i mean...
 App name </application>
[22:31] <knome> bluesabre, slickymaster: docs branch for vivid set up
[22:35] <knome> Element placeholder-2 in namespace '' encountered in guimenuitem, but no template matches.
[22:35] <knome> ^ for PT too
[22:35] <knome> tut tut, slickymaster
[22:40] <knome> Unit193, should running 'make' in the docs root clean up lang directories under desktop-guide ?
[22:47] <Unit193> make clean?
[22:47] <knome> aha
[22:47] <knome> :)
[22:48] <knome> now, why does the makescript need to give me silly line numbers
[22:48] <knome> like 315
[22:48] <knome> i know that's the virtual line number for that spot in the whole documentation, but it's not too useful
[23:14] <knome> Unit193, oh! have you noticed that if you s/--postvalid/--valid/ in scripts/validate.sh, you actually get the context too?
[23:15] <knome> wonder if there's any reason to keep --postvalid as the default argument?
[23:15] <Unit193> Never tried.
[23:15] <knome> /home/knome/Downloads/es.po
[23:15] <knome> eh
[23:15] <knome> --postvalid Validate after parsing is completed.
[23:15] <Unit193> (Also not always sure what's different/uncommitted here. :P )
[23:16] <knome> oh, yeah
[23:16] <knome> it fails the IDREF attrs
[23:16] <knome> >__<
[23:16] <Unit193> Makefile, debian/control, desktop-guide/Makefile, scripts/translate.sh, scripts/validate.sh, and my own wrapper, I see.
[23:17] <knome> you should do a MP for all the improvements you have stacked there.
[23:17] <Unit193> "improvements", hah. :D
[23:19]  * knome shakes head
[23:20]  * Unit193 be hacking up the buildsystem.
[23:21] <bluesabre> hey all
[23:22] <Unit193> knome: http://paste.openstack.org/show/0nnq42t16hbMea43TRHb/ nothing groundbreaking, and the one is an attempted fix for the current problem, but doesn't fix it.
[23:22] <Unit193> bluesabre: Also, hello.
[23:23] <knome> Unit193, do a MP, i'll merge them today so you can keep hacking
[23:23] <knome> hey bluesabre
[23:24] <Unit193> knome: Should have bluesabre magically fix it.
[23:24]  * bluesabre is a bit busy through Friday
[23:25] <Unit193> :(
[23:27] <knome> Unit193, all of the validation fails in es.po was from the same user
[23:27] <knome> and all of them was basically that tags were translated
[23:29] <knome> hmm, now pt also magically validates
[23:54] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/XYdFzBsMMIinNNlVFqjB/ new one.


[06:14] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:05] <pleia2> jcastro: we did this tonight <3 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232705/
[07:49] <dholbach> good morning
[07:51] <MooDoo> morning
[08:38] <popey> Good morning!
[08:39] <popey> Putting my X220 SSD in a lowly X61s makes me realise how many resources I squander in my X220!
[08:39] <popey> this X61s has "only" 3GB RAM vs the 16GB in my X220
[08:40] <popey> One nice thing is I re-kindled my love of Mutt :)
[08:50] <dholbach> hey popey
[09:06] <MooDoo> popey: I've been using mutt with gmail for a few weeks now, I like it :D
[09:33] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:34] <popey> yo czajkowski
[09:38] <czajkowski> Happy Saint David's Day!
[09:38] <czajkowski> popey: may need your expertese on a ultrabook next time you're here
[09:38] <czajkowski> not sure if the battery is dead or it's just not able to charge
[09:38] <popey> oh dear
[09:38] <czajkowski> but rather dubious about opening it myself
[09:39] <popey> how old is it now?
[09:39] <czajkowski> popey: it's not the X1
[09:39] <popey> hehe, I've had 3 laptops apart this week
[09:39] <czajkowski> popey: my old Tosh Z830
[09:39] <popey> oh
[09:39] <popey> likely battery fail
[09:39] <czajkowski> works fine plugged in
[09:39] <czajkowski> unplug
[09:39] <popey> probably just one cell in the battery
[09:39] <czajkowski> dead
[09:39] <popey> once they go, they're gone
[09:39] <popey> no amount of coaching will get them going again
[09:39] <davidcalle> czajkowski: the Saint is not official yet, but thanks! :p
[09:39] <czajkowski> :(
[09:39] <czajkowski> davidcalle: lol!
[09:40] <czajkowski> popey: so no chance of opening it up and replacing the batter then ?
[09:40] <popey> sure, you can do
[09:40] <czajkowski> davidcalle: it's most odd coming from a place where we and the entire world celebrate St. Patrick to the UK where they don't
[09:40] <czajkowski> popey: lovely next time you're over I'll make chocolate croissants :) and you can take it apart!
[09:41] <popey> heh okay
[09:41] <popey> battery comes out of that laptop pretty easily
[09:41] <popey> like 12 screws and you're done
[09:42] <popey> you gonna order a new one?
[09:43] <czajkowski> popey: once I figure out what I need yes :)
[09:44] <popey> :)
[09:44] <popey> you need a web browser, the word 'ebay' and 'Z830' and 'battery' and a mouse button to click the search button
[09:44] <popey> also, paypal or credit card may help too :)
[09:45] <popey> they're big flat things
[09:45] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-OEM-TOSHIBA-P000613950-Laptop-Battery-For-Toshiba-Z830-Z835-Z935-/141709614606?hash=item20fe8d1e0e:g:yfwAAOSwLVZVls4w
[09:45] <popey> that kind of nonsense.
[09:48] <czajkowski> ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
[09:48] <czajkowski> just powered it on and it sees Ubuntu but wont boot into it
[09:48] <czajkowski> will be doing a clean install
[09:49] <czajkowski> at least the sister can use Ubuntu no problem
[11:00] <dholbach> balloons, davidcalle, dpm, mhall119, popey: who does Q&A today?
[11:00] <dholbach> I did the last two times already O:-)
[11:01] <dpm> mike is out today, and I was on last one. balloons, popey, davidcalle, are you up for it?
[11:42] <svij> dpm: hello hello :) How hard is it to add a blog (similar to that one on d.u.c) on ubucon.org, which we could then aggreate on planet.ubuntu.com ?
[11:44] <dpm> hi svij, it shouldn't be too difficult. I wanted to see if we can get bug 1549897 fixed first, which should then make the deployment on the live site easier, but it should not be a blocker
[11:44] <dpm> let me give you some pointers
[11:47] <dpm> svij, on the d.u.c site, we're using zinnia, but I'm not too happy with it. I was thinking of using "Aldryn news & blog instead", from the list of plugins at https://marketplace.django-cms.org/en/addons/browse/?name=blog
[11:48] <dpm> which is what django cms upstream use on their site
[11:49] <dpm> so it's a matter of adding the plugin to the existing site
[12:11] <svij> dpm: ah okay, I'm not really familiar with django cms, so I don't know how this works
[12:13] <dpm> svij, np, it's on my list to look at. But in any case, if you're familiar with python and django, django cms is nothing else than a django app, so adding a plugin is generally a matter of doing the actual installation and adding/modifying some config variables
[12:13] <svij> ah oka
[12:14] <svij> y
[12:15] <dpm> in our case it's a matter of following the "PIP dependency" instructions here: http://aldryn-newsblog.readthedocs.org/en/latest/how_to/install.html
[12:20] <svij> *sigh* I should concentrate on university exams in the next weeks…
[12:20]  * svij just got results. :-/
[12:21] <dpm>  svij, go away and study, then, that's certainly more important!
[12:21]  * dpm hugs svij
[12:21]  * svij failed two of two exams. :(
[12:22] <dpm> sorry to hear that :/
[12:22] <svij> going to ubucon summit was definitely the wrong priority
[12:22]  * svij hugs dpm
[12:24] <popey> dpm: dholbach I'll be around for the q&a
[12:31] <dpm> great
[12:57]  * dholbach hugs svij
[12:59] <svij> dholbach: :)
[14:35]  * popey makes the Q&A Hangot
[14:35] <popey> *hangout
[14:35] <popey> Can't get used to this tiny X61s Keyboard
[15:04] <balloons> ready to chat popey?
[15:04] <popey> hmm?
[15:04] <knome> asks he knowingly
[15:05] <popey> sorry, didnt see that meeting
[15:46] <popey> dholbach: do you have access to the relavent accounts to maybe tweet/+ about ubuntu on air in which is in 10 mins?
[15:46] <popey> I don't have them here
[15:47] <dholbach> on it
[15:49] <dholbach> done
[15:51]  * popey hugs dholbach
[15:51] <popey> thank you!
[17:12] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day - see you all tomorrow! :-)
[17:12]  * belkinsa hugs dholbach
[17:12]  * dholbach hugs you all
[17:26] <jose> dpm: ping
[17:28] <dpm> hola jose
[17:29] <knome> ai caramba
[17:30] <jose> dpm: quería confirmar contigo lo del update-source. puedo implementar ya mismo el bzr pull necesario para el update, y luego nos podemos hacer cargo de el branching a staging. no sé si te parece bien
[17:30] <jose> knome: ohai, all going good?
[17:30] <knome> yup
[17:31] <jose> :D
[17:32] <dpm> jose, sí, buena idea
[17:32] <jose> dpm: ok, me encargo de eso y cuando marco le pueda dar un +1 hacemos el merge :)
[17:32] <jose> siempre es bueno un peer review, no quiero romper nada
[17:32] <dpm> \o/
[17:32] <dpm> genial
[17:33] <knome> genial gerus
[17:33] <dpm> :)
[17:33] <knome> jose, i approve the "beer review" part
[17:33] <knome> ;P
[17:33]  * jose hands knome a breakfast beer
[17:33] <knome> breakfast? it's half past 7pm here :)
[20:56] <svij> jose: I've added two persons to ubucon-site-editors but they don't have permissions to edit the web page (even though the checkbox was ticked during login). I can also reproduce this. It seems only "ubucon-site-developers" have permissions to change website contents, can you fix that?
[20:56] <svij> or should I wait for dpm tomorrow?
[20:56] <jose> let me take a look here
[20:59] <jose> I see permissions are good... ubucon-site-editors can edit, delete and publish
[20:59] <jose> and -developers can change permissions and advanced settings
[20:59] <jose> so should be good to go...
[21:00] <svij> "You do not have permission to edit this plugin" is all I get with ubucon-site-editors group :/
[21:03] <knome> edit plugin? does that mean you are trying to edit a plugin file?
[21:04] <svij> I'm trying to edit the content of a webpage
[21:04] <svij> not sure how that is called in django-cms
[21:09] <mhall119> plugin is correct, every page is a collection of plugins, the  most common being the Text plugin
[21:11] <mhall119> svij: did you check the team memberships in Ubuntu SSO when you logged in?
[21:11] <svij> mhall119: yes, editing with ubucon-site-editors doesn't work, it works when I tick it on ubucon-site-developers
[21:11] <mhall119> hmmm...
[21:11] <svij> I'm in both groups, but I don't think it makes much sense to put everyone to the site-develoeprs group ;)
[21:12] <mhall119> no it doesn't


[01:44] <jrgifford> belkinsa: i'm back
[01:44] <belkinsa> Okay.
[01:44] <jrgifford> sorta
[01:44] <jrgifford> packing for tomorrow while catching glances at the laptop
[01:45] <belkinsa> Where you are going?  And if you don't have enough time, you can always e-mail me.
[01:46] <jrgifford> work
[01:46] <jrgifford> it's just that after i spend a day and a half working @ home
[01:47] <jrgifford> i have to repack my bag
[01:47] <jrgifford> which takes time
[01:47] <jrgifford> ;p
[01:47] <belkinsa> Oh, duh, it's almost bed time.
[01:47] <jrgifford> anyway
[01:47] <jrgifford> so for the ubuntu hour stuff
[01:47] <jrgifford> this is interesting
[01:47] <jrgifford> firefox ubuntu
[01:47] <jrgifford> doesn't seem to consistently work
[01:47] <jrgifford> i can't figure out why or how
[01:47] <jrgifford> just doesn't
[01:48] <belkinsa> Bah, I got kicked off my network.
[01:48] <belkinsa> Is it just chatb or WebRTC?
[01:52] <jrgifford> webrtc in general
[01:53] <belkinsa> Okay.  So, can Chrome be used on Ubuntu and have it run WebRTC?
[01:53] <jrgifford> yes
[01:53] <jrgifford> chrome works
[01:53] <jrgifford> if they are on windows, chrome, firefox will work
[01:54] <jrgifford> and i think opera on both works as well
[01:54] <belkinsa> Perfect.  I will pass that on to Ron Swift since he had the issue.
[01:54] <belkinsa> Also, I will doc this in the wiki
[01:55] <jrgifford> correction, opera does *not* (at least, not on windows or my VM)
[01:55] <belkinsa> Okay
[01:55] <jrgifford> just tested
[01:56]  * Unit193 used firefox
[02:00] <belkinsa> Did you?  On Ubuntu or another favour?
[02:04] <Unit193> Why does it matter?
[02:20] <jrgifford> because it behaves oddly with my laptop (and others) for some reason
[02:25] <Unit193> Doesn't really matter if it's a flavor, still same exact package.  Granted, mine is from a PPA of aurora builds, but nevertheless.
[02:26] <jrgifford> you are acting like you're using gnomebuntu or something that isn't/wasn't official... ;)
[02:27] <Unit193> Nah, mine here is plain 'ol Xubuntu, I wasn't using my own flavor. :P
[02:27] <jrgifford> lol
[02:27] <Unit193> (It would have been openbox, so nothing really major in terms of why it should work.)
[02:29] <Unit193> ...Somewhat patched and out of repo packages all over, but Xubuntu I swear! :----D


[01:25] <vadi2> How come http://launchpadlibrarian.net/57655857/cardapio%20under%205megs.png is served as text? (at least it displays so in chrome which does not have troubles with other websites)
[10:21] <seaLne> hi i was wondering how i request a bug comment that is spam be removed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/binfmt-support/+bug/38270/comments/9
[10:55] <maxb> seaLne: File the request at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[10:55] <seaLne> maxb: thanks
[14:15] <kervala> hi there :)
[14:15] <kervala> please someone could tell me if there is a way to automatically delete packages from PPA using command line ?
[14:25] <tsimpson> maybe using the Launchpad API, but I don't think there's anything pre-made to do that
[14:25] <kervala> ok thanks i will check :)
[14:30] <kervala> i found this : http://people.canonical.com/~mwh/canonicalapi/lp.soyuz.scripts.ftpmaster.PackageRemover.html
[14:30] <kervala> i will try, thanks :)
[14:34] <shadeslayer> hi, who should i contact for bug 402994
[17:26] <paultag> Hey LPers, shameless bump for my launchpad answer -- https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+question/129666
[17:28] <maxb> It appears to have been answered already
[17:34] <nigelb> paultag: ha, somone got to it 2 hours back.  sinzui ftw :)
[17:34] <paultag> Wait, what?
[17:34] <paultag> How did I not get an email :)
[17:34] <paultag> thanks maxb, nigelb
[17:35] <paultag> Well this is shaping up to be an outstanding morning
[17:35] <nigelb> paultag: better question - how did you not see the question before asking :p
[17:35] <paultag> Thanks LP :)
[17:35]  * nigelb hugs paultag
[17:35] <paultag> nigelb, I'm going to be honest here, I woke up and just hit up enter ( and edited it a bit )
[17:36] <nigelb> heh
[17:36] <paultag> thanks for your time maxb
[17:36] <paultag> nigelb, thanks for harassing me again ( <3 )


[01:06] <fossycakes> has anyone had issues with budgie-panel with a clean install of 18.04? Its constantly crashing for me.
[01:07] <fossycakes> I started a thread on discourse as well https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/budgie-panel-keeps-crashing/324/1
[16:20] <bashfulrobot> Notthat I have seen. Have you opened a bug as well?


[08:15] <greyback> valorie: tsimonq2: hey! yes I lurk :)
[21:06] <ahayzen> Hi, has anyone seen an issue with Qt on 18.04 where one can't start apps inside a container ? I get an error like this when trying to start qtcreator/qmlscene from inside a container https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Y9WmngQKFm/ (the same thing works fine under 16.04 and 17.10 but not 18.04) ... and seems others have had the same https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/crash-qt-gui-aplication-build-with-core-18-on-ubuntu-18-04-lxd/5385   Or is there
[21:06] <ahayzen> something else i need to do...
[21:08] <mitya57> ahayzen: I would say, please file a bug with a complete stacktrace. Otherwise it is hard to tell what happens.
[21:09] <ahayzen> mitya57, ok against which package though? qtbase-opensource-src ?
[21:09] <mitya57> Right, that one.
[21:09] <mitya57> By complete I mean, with the debug packages (libqt5core5a-dbgsym libqt5gui5-dbgsym libqt5dbus5-dbgsym libqt5opengl5-dbgsym) installed.
[21:10] <ahayzen> right, ok i'll see if i can extract some info :-)
[21:11] <mitya57> Thanks :)
[22:42] <ahayzen> mitya57, i've reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/1774739 with a stacktrace https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/WKKGmxqqSx/ let me know if you need more info. I've added a Dockerfile which reproduces the issue (i believe the same should happen with LXD). Also note if one changes the distro in the Dockerfile from 18.04 to 17.10 or 16.04 and bionic to artful, xenial it works.
[22:44] <ahayzen> seems potentially and issue in dbus somewhere...
[22:44] <ahayzen> *an issue
 That looks familiar.
 I can't say where I've seen it before, though.
[22:49] <ahayzen> tsimonq2, it potentially also affects people trying to run Qt apps on the core18 snap, from what was said in the snapcraft forum link ^^
[22:49] <ahayzen> maybe that's where you have seen/heard of it


[01:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- wgrant, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4036 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
[14:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4037 Preparing packages
[22:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4033 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
[23:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4033 Failed to build (focal/xapian-bindings). Uploading build (focal/squirrel3)
[23:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4033 Diff missing (focal/squirrel3). Failed to build (focal/xapian-bindings)


[01:43] <xrs1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-lowlatency/+bug/1068660    recommended fix has no effect. New updates installed today and now when i plug my thumbdrive in it just blinks repetitively and doesnt stop. no icon appears on desktop. gparted reports the drive as unallocated with a red triagle w/ !
[01:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1068660 in linux-lowlatency (Ubuntu) "Unable to mount USB Mass Storage Devices" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:46] <xrs1> is it safe to unplug? i suspended the computer to try and unplug it but it continues to blink (i run from USB, the USB that runs the system stops blinking during suspend)
[03:19] <xrs1> solved:   after installing latest updates i deleted /media/%user% and recreated. USB now works.
[06:45] <Laibsch> can somebody confirm or disconfirm bug 1070689?
[06:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1070689 in vlc (Ubuntu) "cannot enable "enque files when in one-instance mode"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1070689
[12:50] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek starting in 10 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[15:02] <djlynux> Hi friends...
[15:02] <djlynux> does anyone knows the status about the bug #1065919?
[15:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1065919 in thunderbird (Ubuntu Quantal) "thunderbird 16 updates broke messaging menu integration" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1065919
[15:06] <micahg> djlynux: I just marked it verification-failed due to bug 1070769
[15:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1070769 in thunderbird (Ubuntu) "proposed package freezes 16.0.1+build1-0ubuntu2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1070769
[15:12] <djlynux> Okay micahg :)
[15:21] <djlynux> Another bug, #1070699
[15:21] <djlynux> I tested it in 12.10 64bit and 32 bit...I'm getting the  same error message.


[13:06] <m00c0w> Hi! I'm new to using cloud-init and I have success with CentOS 7.  But when I try to spin up Ubuntu 18.04 using the CLoudImage I end up with KVM console saying that there is no boot partition. Is anything special required to do cloud-init with kvm/Ubuntu Bionic other than converting the img file to qcow2?
[13:36] <smoser> m00c0w: that seems unlikely related to cloud-init
[13:36] <smoser> i suspect you have an entry in /etc/fstab that is not right.
[13:37] <smoser> fwiw, i would always using offiicial downloadable images from cloud-images.ubuntu.com
[13:37] <smoser> if you have to modify them, I'd suggest modifying the images rather than building yourself elsewhere.
[13:38] <smoser> caribou: do you need anything from me ?
[16:28] <m00c0w> smoser: I figured it out. There are many different cloud images available for Ubuntu and while the filename was the exact same for the image I had, it was found in the wrong folder on the mirror site. Took a while to figure out
[16:34] <m00c0w> m00c0w: https://paste.ee/p/4tHJ9    Confusing, right? ;)
[18:08] <smoser> powersj: i want to run https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/job/cloud-init-integration-lxd-c
[18:08] <smoser> against https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/351371
[18:08] <smoser> in order to catch bug 1783198
[18:08] <smoser> any thoughts on how best to do that ?
[18:09] <powersj> https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/server-jenkins-jobs/blob/master/cloud-init/integration-lxd.yaml#L56
[18:10] <smoser> powersj: well, i want to run it on on c-i hardware
[18:10] <smoser> i've not caught the failure here.
[18:10] <powersj> you have ssh to torkoal ;)
[18:10] <smoser> thats fine
[18:11] <powersj> would you prefer a debug job? like we do for vmtest
[18:11] <smoser> i guess that'd be nice. but i'm ok for now to just run on taht system.


[12:04] <SteveA> if you did it as instances of a class, you would not need to do that
[12:04] <SteveA> +country_codes_where_postcode_is_required = set(
[12:04] <SteveA> +    line.strip().split(' ', 1)[0]
[12:04] <SteveA> +    for line in _countries_where_postcode_is_required.strip().splitlines())
[12:04] <SteveA>
[12:04] <salgado> then I'd pass an instance of that class to the field's constraint?
[12:04] <SteveA> well
[12:04] <SteveA> so, i'd make it like this
[12:05] <SteveA> validate_shipit_province = ShipItValidator("province", 30)
[12:05] <SteveA> but, if you're only using these things once, then you can include them directly
[12:06] <SteveA>
[12:06] <SteveA> i had a question about the list comprehension, but now i see it is fine
[12:06] <SteveA> cool
[12:06] <SteveA> other than using class instances rather than functions, r=me
[12:07] <salgado> great. I'm changing the validators right now.
[12:07] <salgado> thanks, SteveA
[12:10] <AlinuxOS> mdke, I have the same problem
[12:10] <AlinuxOS> with coc 1.0 version :/
[12:10] <AlinuxOS> exactly the same.
[12:13] <AlinuxOS> https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/28919 may I file a bug ? Or maybe not..there is so many people with the same problem.
[12:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 28919 in launchpad "error signing code of conduct: "str: No public key"" [Major,Confirmed]
[12:14] <AlinuxOS> may I paste my Signed coc, like a comment ?
[12:14] <AlinuxOS> :) maybe someone manually insert it
[12:16] <kiko> AlinuxOS, no, don't do tha.
[12:16] <kiko> do that.
[12:16] <AlinuxOS> kiko, ok :)
[12:16] <kiko> you can however send it in through email, I believe
[12:16] <AlinuxOS> I saw some people do that :)
[12:16] <kiko> yeah, I'm not sure what address is appropriate
[12:17] <AlinuxOS> as mdke said, I resigned 1.0 version, but it still dosen't work.
[12:18] <AlinuxOS> he told me that 1.0.1 version of coc is not signable/uploadable.
[12:18] <AlinuxOS> but 1.0 dosen't work.
[12:18] <aa__> do you guys much care that most https posts that are not right return a 500 error?
[12:18] <kiko> AlinuxOS, it appears to be a bug in the code
[12:19] <AlinuxOS> kiko, yes I understand.
[12:19] <kiko> aa__, yes, we do care, but accesses like that generate OOPS logs which we capture at the end of the day
[12:19] <AlinuxOS> so I'll wait when bug is fixed :)
[12:19] <aa__> right, and also really good for debugging a client too, but just mentioning it
[12:20] <aa__> since a 500 is easier to catch than parsing html
[12:20] <kiko> AlinuxOS, I'm also finding it difficult to reproduce
[12:20] <kiko> which is part of the problem
[12:21] <AlinuxOS> kiko, don't worry I'll wait :/ so sorry that can't contribuite to coding or bug fixing :/
[12:21] <kiko> it should normally generate an OOPS
[12:21] <kiko> but in this case, something strange is happening
[12:21] <kiko> I will take a look at it tonight.
[12:22] <AlinuxOS> ok I'll ping you tommorow evening :)
[12:22] <AlinuxOS> My Time is 00:22/Florence
[12:22] <kiko> that sounds like bedtime to me!
[12:23] <AlinuxOS> kiko, take it easy :)
[12:39] <mdke> AlinuxOS: did you upload your key to launchpad?
[12:39] <AlinuxOS> yes
[12:40] <AlinuxOS> In y account I have my pubblic key.
[12:41] <AlinuxOS> I have even 2 times uploaded my key :)
[12:41] <mdke> AlinuxOS: I don't see it on your people page
[12:44] <mdke> AlinuxOS: I see 2 SSH keys, but no GPG keys
[12:45] <AlinuxOS> mdke, :/ I'm relly tired up :)
[12:45] <AlinuxOS> 10 hours in studio :) mixind my bands album :)
[12:45] <AlinuxOS> must I uload a GPG ID ?
[12:46] <mdke> AlinuxOS: you just need to follow the step by step guide I gave you
[12:48] <AlinuxOS> mdke, I done something wrong I think :/
[12:49] <mdke> AlinuxOS: if you follow it again, it should work. If you need any more help, let's get our of this channel
[12:49] <mdke> our/out*
[12:57] <AlinuxOS> :D
[12:58] <AlinuxOS> Matt you are so fiscal :)
[12:58] <AlinuxOS> like a real englishman :) I like this attitude
[12:58] <salgado> lifeless, around?
[12:58] <AlinuxOS> I learn lot from you :)
[12:59] <lifeless> salgado: yes
[01:00] <salgado> lifeless, would you like to review my shipit db patch?
[01:01] <lifeless> I can give it a once over
[01:01] <lifeless> but stub should be the one to approve except when hes just not available
[01:02] <salgado> I didn't realize earlier that stub was going to be offline today
[01:04] <salgado> lifeless, https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileOCHeoe.html
[01:10] <lifeless> kiko: you have mail
[01:10] <lifeless> what is the standardshipitrequest_quantity_flavour_key constraint meant to achieve ?
[01:11] <salgado> avoid having two options with the same number of CDs for the same flavour
[01:11] <salgado> the standardshipitrequests are what we list for people to chose
[01:12] <salgado> and to choose, too
[01:12] <lifeless> so they aren't actual requests
[01:12] <lifeless> they are templates ?
[01:12] <lifeless> or menu options
[01:12] <salgado> exactly! templates
[01:12] <lifeless> ok, add a TODO somewhere else to rename the table to make that clearer
[01:12] <lifeless> :)
[01:12] <salgado> the quantities and the flavour are the actual template
[01:14] <lifeless> other than that it looks fine, add the usual db patch boilerplate around it
[01:14] <lifeless> but if its at all possible, please let stub ok it before merging
[01:14] <salgado> yeah, it already has that. I just copy and pasted the relevant part
[01:14] <salgado> I need stub's okay. or at least a patch number. :-(
[01:15] <lifeless> so the reason that I don't want to assign a patch number is that stub is the control point for them - when hes on leave I become the control point. But if we both assign patch numbers, chaos ensures
[01:15] <lifeless> s/ensures/ensues/
[01:15] <salgado> yeah, I know that
[01:19] <lifeless> anyhow, the patch looks good
[01:20] <salgado> would it be okay if stub just give me the patch number?
[01:21] <lifeless> sure. way to do this is just email him direct the patch, say I'm +1 on it and you need a db #.
[01:22] <lifeless> cc launchpad or lp-reviews
[01:22] <AlinuxOS> mdke, I think that now it's ok :)
[01:23] <AlinuxOS> Keys pending validation
[01:23] <AlinuxOS> :)
[01:23] <mdke> good
[01:24] <salgado> lifeless, I've emailed him the patch this morning, but I don't think he's going to show up before monday
[01:40] <AlinuxOS> mdke, ;)
[01:46] <AlinuxOS> sorry,a question: why use duplicated accounts ? What's utility to have 2 accounts ?
[01:49] <kiko> lifeless, I sell email on ebay
[01:49] <mdke> AlinuxOS: I can't think of one
[01:56] <mdke> spiv: awake?
[07:07] <rob> hi
[07:07] <rob> I need to make a request in launchpad to get my Ubuntu doc team svn password reset, how can I do this?
[07:15] <rob> never mind, random clicking worked :)
[09:15] <Mez> is there any way to unsubscribe from a bug
[09:17] <crimsun> click the Unsubscribe link in the upper left
[09:21] <Mez> ok, is there a way to unsubscribe a GROUP from a bug ?
[09:27] <`6og> is it possible to sync language translations? IE sync en_GB over any en_AU that hasnt been done
[09:29] <Mez> `6og try emailing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:29] <Mez> they should be able to help
[09:30] <`6og> Mez: thanks
[12:15] <`6og> ping channel
[12:15] <kgoetz> is there  a way to copy translations from one country to another? i'm hoping to get en_GB synced into any untranslated en_AU fields.
[12:19] <Mez> kgoetz as I told `6og earlier - email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:20] <kgoetz> another list :( breaks my magic 42 :)
[12:21] <Mez> kgoetz as I told `6og earlier - email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:21] <kgoetz> btw. sorry for asking twice, i forgot :(
[12:22] <mdke> there is a better way
[12:24] <kgoetz> mdke: should i  be emailing someone else?
[12:28] <mdke> kgoetz: download the po file for en_GB, edit it how you want, then upload it as en_AU
[12:28] <mdke> but I have to say, personally I think you're a loony for translating to en_AU
[12:29] <ajmitch> mdke: why?
[12:29] <kgoetz> mdke: i have thought of it, but there's a lot of packages there
[12:29] <mdke> ajmitch: because I think that most people who speak english languages around the world understand each other fine
[12:30] <mdke> but it's a personal opinion, and not really on topic
[12:30] <ajmitch> yes, but it doesn't mean we have to force everyone to use americanisms :)
[12:30] <mdke> kgoetz: you can't do it in bulk, that's because en_GB and en_AU are different locales
[12:31] <mdke> ajmitch: true. I can see a case for it where the maintainer of a package uses an outrageous term, like "Start over" for gdm
[12:31] <ajmitch> there are a lot of small differences
[12:31] <mdke> most aren't worth worrying about tho, imo
[12:34] <mdke> definitely
[12:34] <jsgotangco> :P
[01:18] <ivoks> who can I ask to drop translation for some packages?
[01:20] <mdke> ivoks: ?
[01:21] <ivoks> mdke: in rosetta amarok (for croatian lang.) is translated in hindu
[01:21] <ivoks> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/amarok/+pots/amarok/hr/+translate?show=translated
[01:22] <ivoks> i don't know how this happend, since Ravishankar Shrivastava was never member of croatian localisation team :)
[01:22] <mdke> how odd
[01:23] <mdke> ivoks: maybe the po file was included in the package, you should look at the amarok source and file a bug if so
[01:23] <ivoks> mdke: thanks
[01:25] <rpedro> anyone know a good tag editor for linux that sees MB's tags?
[02:35] <kiko> aw, carlos isn't around
[02:39] <desperado> I have a question about the ISO-3166 file I was translating.
[02:39] <desperado> What would be a good place to ask?
[02:39] <kiko> why not here?
[02:39] <kiko> it is saturday after all
[02:40] <desperado> Why not: Because I was send here as a place where people could redirect me.
[02:40] <desperado> But OK:
[02:40] <desperado> ISO-3166 lists names of countries; names and official names.
[02:40] <`6og> desperado: i sent you here for a redirect in case people didnt want to talk about translations - i'm not sure how all encompasing this channel is
[02:41] <desperado> For some countries there are two entries. For others there's only one. Why?
[02:42] <kiko> can you give examples, desperado?
[02:42] <desperado> `6og, OK, thanks.
[02:42] <desperado> kiko, hold on, I'll open it again.
[02:42] <`6og> np
[02:46] <desperado> For ARG - name: Argentina; official name: Argetnine Republic
[02:46] <kiko> desperado, so far ok
[02:47] <desperado> For ATG - name: Antigua and Barbuda
[02:47] <kiko> and what are you confused about?
[02:48] <desperado> Why is there just one name in the case of ATG?
[02:48] <kiko> the official name matches the name
[02:48] <kiko> (I believe)
[02:48] <desperado> In English?
[02:49] <kiko> good question
[02:49] <kiko> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina
[02:49] <kiko> The country is formally named Repblica Argentina
[02:49] <kiko> (it's Argentine ftr :)
[02:52] <desperado> I've now found the point again where I stumbled over it:
[02:52] <desperado> BRN - name: Brunei Darussalam
[02:52] <kiko> the actual name is negara brunei darussalam actually
[02:53] <desperado> In Frisian, that would be the officail name, with the name being Brunei
[02:53] <kiko> that sounds correct
[02:53] <desperado> kiko, that's to make things even more complicated
[02:53] <kiko> :)
[02:53] <desperado> But I have only one place to fill in the name
[02:54] <kiko> oh. that's not so good. what are you using to translate?
[02:54] <desperado> Rosetta
[02:55] <kiko> what URL?

[02:56] <kiko> lettuce c
[02:56] <desperado> (Well, it said rosetta when I went in there. It seems to have vanished from the URL.)
[02:58] <luks> hi
[02:58] <luks> can someone make https://launchpad.net/products/libtunepimp and https://launchpad.net/products/libmusicbrainz part of project https://launchpad.net/projects/musicbrainz ?
[02:58] <kiko> desperado, okay, the problem is actually in the original translation template.
[02:58] <desperado> luks, hi
[02:58] <kiko> luks, sure, one sec.
[02:59] <kiko> luks, done.
[02:59] <luks> thanks!
[02:59] <kiko> enjoy
[03:00] <desperado> OK, so how do we get extra fields in the original, even when they are the same in English?
[03:00] <kiko> you get extra fields because the template includes multiple entries for those fields.
[03:00] <desperado> Agreed.
[03:00] <kiko> rosetta really works based on the translation template in the source package.
[03:01] <desperado> So who could modify the template to solve this?
[03:01] <kiko> the iso-codes package's maintainer.
[03:01] <kiko> you can file a bug on /distros/ubuntu/+source/iso-codes
[03:01] <kiko> explaining what you want modified in the template
[03:01] <kiko> it is likely that it will be forwarded to /products/iso-codes
[03:02] <kiko> but that'll be the right way to go about it
[03:03] <desperado> OK. It doesn't list "maintainer" on the template page, so I was somewhat at a loss for that..
[03:03] <kiko> hmmm.
[03:03] <desperado> No, let's see how/where I file that bug.
[03:03] <kiko> I see yourpoint
[03:03] <desperado> Now
[03:04] <kiko> hmmm
[03:04] <kiko> yeah, the page structure makes that totally unobvious.
[03:05] <desperado> Are you saying it does say that somewhere?
[03:05] <kiko> well, no, but it does say you're translating the iso-codes package in dapper, so you can click there to find out where to file a bug, but it's just very broken.
[03:09] <desperado> ? You can click on Dapper? Or are you saying you can find your way there, then file a bug?
[03:11] <desperado> OK, I've reached the bug reporting page.
[03:13] <desperado> I see, if you know that a package has it's own link for bug reporting, you know where to do such things.
[03:13] <desperado> Except that you won't know until you've found that page.
[03:13] <kiko> yeah
[03:13] <kiko> it's just very unfortunate
[03:24] <desperado> kiko, OK, thanks. I filed it as a bug.
[03:24] <kiko> thanks desperado
[04:25] <toma> signing code of conduct in malone seems broken, it keeps telling me it is not the right text, even when i change nothing and sign it
[04:26] <matsubara> toma: are you signing coc 1.0.1?
[04:26] <toma> matsubara: yes
[04:27] <matsubara> you might be running into bug 39547
[04:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39547 in launchpad "Code of Conduct 1.0.1 signatures not accepted" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39547
[04:29] <toma> matsubara: okido, I will use the 1.0 version then
[04:30] <toma> thnxs
[04:30] <matsubara> toma: your're welcome
[05:09] <sabdfl> kiko, carlos: ping
[05:09] <sabdfl> https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/RosettaPotemplatePriorities
[05:10] <sabdfl> i thought i'd implement that quickly, and found that there is already a potemplate.priority
[05:10] <sabdfl> is it used anywhere
[05:10] <sabdfl> ?
[06:11] <sabdfl> SteveA: ping
[06:27] <pygi> any particular reason why CoC signing doesnt work right now?
[06:28] <matsubara> pygi: are you refereing to bug 39547 ?
[06:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39547 in launchpad "Code of Conduct 1.0.1 signatures not accepted" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39547
[06:28] <pygi> indeed, sorry ... just found out it is a known bug
[06:29] <matsubara> s/refereing/referring/
[06:29] <kiko> it's so annoying
[06:31] <pygi> kiko, agreed, but it will be fixed by LP team eventually :)
[06:32] <SteveA> sabdfl: hi
[06:32] <kiko> I suspect I will have to look into it myself
[06:33] <pygi> nice :P
[06:58] <kiko> pygi, ping?
[06:58] <pygi> kiko, pong :)
[06:58] <kiko> what's your launchpad user id?
[06:59] <pygi> mario-danic
[06:59] <pygi> I have just signed 1.0
[06:59] <kiko> did you manage to sign?
[06:59] <pygi> the version 1.0 is fine, but 1.0.1 is still no :)
[07:00] <kiko> ah, okay.
[07:04] <kiko> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntero
[07:04] <kiko> isn't it ironic that he is actually not an ubuntero?
[07:06] <pygi> :P
[07:06] <pygi> heh
[09:19] <Burgundavia> do I need to gpg-sign mails to lp for opening bugs or do I just need an email addy in lp?
[09:23] <matsubara> Burgundavia: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/MaloneEmailInterfaceUserDoc
[09:24] <Burgundavia> matsubara: ugh, ok
[09:25] <mdke> Burgundavia: don't tell me you don't like docs :)
[09:25] <Burgundavia> mdke: no, I dislike the whole gpg thing
[09:26] <mdke> ah
[09:26] <Burgundavia> as, I don't have my key on this machine, etc.
[09:29] <matsubara> and I have to go, cya guys


[17:52] <xjunio1> how do I upgrade edubuntu from 6.06 to 8.04
[17:52] <xjunio1> ?
[17:52] <chjunior> ?
[23:00] <Jane_ux> how can I lock the position of the desktop icons in gnome-nautilus????
[23:00] <Jane_ux> or where exactily the desktop configuration files are stored???


[02:25] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Alan Pope: The Joy of Code @ https://popey.com/blog/2024/04/the-joy-of-code/
[19:27] <Bashing-om> UWN: Opening 837 shortly to add stats/reports - nothing new to add.
[21:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: Ubuntu 24.10 Codename REVEALED @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-10-codename-oracular-oriole
[21:42] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue837 up for reveiw and final edits _ distraught/distractions - careful proof reading is in order - https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-837/44392 :D


[08:14] <Sycrido> Hi, can anyone help me make a repository on a USB so I can install packages onto a lubuntu computer that is offline?
[12:25] <sydney> What is the configuration folder i need to delete to set lubuntu back to normal?
[13:52] <I-Punkt> hi. is Lubuntu 14.04.1 a LTS with 5 years support like ubuntu14.04?
[13:53] <Unit193> 3 actually.
[13:54] <I-Punkt> 3years?
[13:54] <Unit193> Yes.
[13:54] <I-Punkt> this is also enought for me. thx
[13:56] <I-Punkt> enough lol. thx cu
[14:04] <genii> !lts > genii
[14:36] <weld> anyone knowing off-hand how to fix the dialog 'No session for pid xxxx' when starting a guest session?
[14:37] <weld> the pid belongs to /usr/bin/lxsession -s Lubuntu -e LXDE
[14:37] <weld> on 14.04.1 here
[15:15] <testdr> weld: dont know, i am testing this too and i got the feeling, that the screen-locking can block an already running guest-session and because guest has no password, there is no way to unlock it.
[15:17] <weld> testdr, in my case i use auto login with autologin-guist=true in my lightdm.conf
[15:17] <weld> and timeout 0
[15:17] <weld> now that i say it, i think it's only there since i set timeout to 0
[15:17] <weld> will test
[15:18] <weld> no, also happens when login in with greeter
[15:20] <testdr> weld: you have enough diskspace for guest? This user runs completely in /tmp. And can you later login as guest-user or can you switch to guest-user-account from an normal user-account?
[15:21] <testdr> weld: i never did a login to guest as the first user-login, there was always my normal user-account before
[15:22] <weld> testdr, it doesn't matter if auto-login or switching from a normal user to a guest session, i always get the error
[15:23] <testdr> weld: ok - thats not normal - there is something broken
[15:23] <zota> testdr: thanks for your help yesterday, we fixed the issue
[15:23] <zota> just need download a fix
[15:23] <zota> needed*
[15:24] <testdr> zota: you fixed it(what?) how? Maybe some hints will help other too?
[15:28] <testdr> weld: do you have normal user-accounts in the system and do you have more than one? And works the login and user-switching for those accounts or is it broken too?
[15:28] <zota> testdr: its a known bug
[15:28] <zota> but i dont find the link in my history:(
[15:29] <testdr> zota: what was it? (my short memory)
[15:31] <zota> testdr: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxsession/+bug/1316832
[15:31] <zota> finally
[15:31] <testdr> zota: ? right-mouse-click? you have a razor mouse and i did not plug mine in ....
[15:32] <zota> yes


[07:46] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:03] <Laney> morning!
[08:03] <seb128> oh, Laney back to say hey on his normal start-work-time ;-)
[08:03] <seb128> hoy Laney
[08:03] <Laney> been AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGES
[08:03] <seb128> had a good hackfest/trip back/w.e?
[08:04] <Laney> got a big gnome-software todo list now :-o
[08:04] <Laney> weekend was good!
[08:04] <Laney> we got an allotment
[08:04] <Laney> going to start some growing
[08:05] <Laney> how are you?
[08:05] <Laney> thought you were off this week
[08:05] <Laney> or away or something
[08:07] <seb128> I'm mostly good thanks
[08:07] <Laney> oh WAIT the trip back was the WORST
[08:07] <seb128> though slightly hurt my back muscle yesterday which is annoying
[08:07] <Laney> somehow the train company didn't have a record of the reservations
[08:08] <seb128> just by getting out of the couch ...
[08:08] <seb128> urg
[08:08] <Laney> so everybody was angry about not having a seat and the train was P A C K E D
[08:08] <Laney> i managed to get one sitting on a two person seat with a mum and her child
[08:08] <Laney> he fed me a biscuit though which was nice ^_^
[08:08] <Laney> sorry about your back :(
[08:09] <seb128> go train company!
[08:09] <seb128> otherwise yeah I'm travelling, but it's tomorrow
[08:09] <seb128> that sprint is wed-fri
[08:09] <Laney> oh right
[08:10] <Laney> in USA?
[08:10] <seb128> yes
[08:10] <seb128> Salt Lake City
[08:10] <seb128> long trip for 3 days :-/
[08:10] <Laney> yeah :(
[08:13] <Laney> just looked up where that is
[08:13] <Laney> pretty west
[08:13] <seb128> indeed
[08:13] <seb128> it's almost California distance
[08:14] <seb128> 11h15 flight
[08:14] <Laney> it better be useful then...
[08:14] <seb128> indeed, let's see, it's about defining what the teams should work on next cycle(s)
[08:26] <alexarnaud> hello all !
[08:53]  * Laney stabs
[08:53] <Laney> (not you alexarnaud)
[09:07] <pitti> hey seb128, hey Laney, good morning!
[09:07]  * pitti waves to alexarnaud
[09:08] <seb128> hey pitti! wie gehts? had a good w.E?
[09:09] <Laney> hi there pitti!
[09:10] <pitti> seb128: en effet! c'était calme, on a nettoyé l'appartement, revu des amis, et hier on a allé au jardin botanique
[09:10] <pitti> seb128: et toi ?
[09:11] <seb128> c'était calme aussi, on a fait un peu de rangement et une promenade en vélo hier, sinon on s'est reposés
[09:12] <Laney> vélo!
[09:12] <pitti> oui, c'est bon ! ☺
[09:24] <veebers> Hi all o/ Would anyone know re: gtk using a glade ui if it's possible to rename the root object in the UI tree to something other than Root? (as seen when introspecting an application with autopilot)
[09:36] <seb128> veebers, hey, no idea, but maybe larsu or desrt know
[09:38] <pitti> 'Root' is not in gtk+3.0 (in that context), so not sure where that  comes from
[09:39] <veebers> seb128: sweet thanks, I'll see if they react to their names being highlighted :-)
[09:40] <larsu> yeah I think that comes from autopilot itself, no?
[09:40] <larsu> morning all :)
[09:43]  * Laney gives in and set ts=8 sw=8 sts=8
[09:43] <Laney> hey larsu
[09:43] <larsu> Laney: expandtab!!!
[09:43] <larsu> also, good morning :)
[09:43] <Laney> that was already set
[09:43] <larsu> phew!
[09:44] <Laney> I had all of those =4 before
[09:44] <Laney> but gnome seems to like 8
[09:44] <larsu> yeah, 8's the way
[09:44] <Laney> too big imho
[09:44] <Laney> NO IT SHOULD BE ORANGE!
[09:48] <veebers> larsu: hmm, it's been a while since I've dug into autopilot-gtk, you could be right I'll check
[09:49] <pitti> Laney: you had ts=4? shame on you :)
[09:49] <veebers> larsu: ah, you're 100% correct. Thanks ^_^
[09:50] <larsu> veebers: you're welcome!
[09:50] <Laney> pitti: hehe
[09:50] <Laney> I think I :set it more often than not
[09:50] <veebers> pitti: Mystery solved, I was barking up the wrong tree :-P
[09:50] <Laney> "tilting at windmills"
[09:51] <pitti> veebers: hah
[10:18] <flexiondotorg> Trevinho, Morning. Not sure if you saw this.
[10:18] <flexiondotorg> Trevinho, I've fixed MATE Menu client and delete the Compiz winrule merge proposal. Thanks for your help and ideas.
[10:19] <flexiondotorg> Trevinho, I do have one last Compiz change is possible - https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/compiz/fix-1567354/+merge/291239
[10:19] <Trevinho> flexiondotorg: hey, yes... I saw that
[10:19] <flexiondotorg> Great.
[10:20] <flexiondotorg> Turned out change the window hints worked. I had some cached .pyc files from an old install that was preventing me from seeing the fix.
[10:20] <flexiondotorg> One I tested on a clean VM the window hints fixed the menu :-)
[10:21] <flexiondotorg> Is willcooke going to be about today?
[10:27] <seb128> no, he's on vac today
[10:27] <seb128> then travelling to the U.S tomorrow for the week
[10:27] <seb128> but he might be online from there
[10:27] <seb128> you better email if needed
[10:39] <Laney> mvo: I found the source of apt-cache and plundered it for Size and Installed-Size :)
[10:46] <mvo> Laney: ok, excellent
[10:47] <Laney> thanks again!
[11:10] <seb128> Laney, do you have any idea why gimp doesn't show in g-s?
[11:10] <seb128> I'm still unsure where to look for those issues
[11:11] <seb128> appstreamcli lists it and the .desktop is the gimp main package not the data/common
[11:12] <seb128> k
[11:12] <seb128> (gnome-software:9600): Gs-DEBUG: app invalid as no pixbuf gimp.desktop
[11:13] <seb128> the desktop has Icon=gimp and that's installed in the theme by gimp-data
[11:14] <Laney> don't know right now
[11:18] <seb128> it might be one thing for Prague, share debugging tips and write some wikipage or something
[11:26] <Laney> could do
[11:26] <Laney> try appstreamcli dump component
[11:26] <Laney> see if it lists an icon
[11:26] <Laney> if not then probably a bug in the generator
[11:34] <seb128> Laney, could you have a look to https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-control-center/remove-migration-script/+merge/289530 ? should be trivial, I almost had forgotten about it but it would be nice to land in xenial since it creates an error in the log on first login
[11:34] <Laney> seb128: thanks, makes sense
[11:34] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[11:35] <Laney> why does it make an error though?
[11:37] <seb128> because it's python2 and the gi bindings are not part of the default installation anymore
[11:37] <seb128> so the import fails
[11:37] <Laney> ah
[11:37] <Laney> cunning
[11:41] <seb128> Laney,  hum, I don't understand the appstream dump has gimp_gimp.png as icon, but that string is not in the source package and neither in the appdata no desktop entries :-/
[11:42] <seb128> neither is "gimp_gimp"
[11:42] <Laney> is it in the icon tarball?
[11:42] <seb128> icon tarball?
[11:44] <Laney> http://appstream.ubuntu.com/data/xenial/universe/
[11:45] <seb128> you mean "gimp_gimp.png"?
[11:45] <seb128> no, that icon doesn't exist
[11:45] <Laney> the referenced filename
[11:45] <seb128> but what I don't understand is why it has that filename
[11:45] <Laney> this package has been demoted
[11:45] <seb128> since the .desktop has Icon=gimp
[11:45] <seb128> and the appdata has no icon
[11:45] <Laney> so?
[11:45] <Laney> the generator makes that filename up
[11:46] <Laney> it's referring from appstream to a file in that icon tarball
[11:47] <seb128> no such icon in the tarball no
[11:47] <Laney> probably that is the problem
[11:47] <Laney> this got demoted
[11:47] <Laney> so a bug there I would guess
[11:47] <seb128> needs a rebuild in universe?
[11:48] <Sweet5hark> 13:29 local -- the time, my DSL went online again.  Not a good sign
[13:12]  * Laney stares at Germany
[13:13] <seb128> Laney, would have been easier to walk to Glasgow and back :p
[13:13] <Laney> true >:|
[13:15]  * larsu stares back at Laney and wonders why
[13:16] <Laney> there's a rule that you have to be German to work on apt
[13:16] <Laney> :)
[13:16] <larsu> but not that you have to work on apt if you're German
[13:16]  * larsu *hopes*
[13:17] <desrt> that would probably mean that apt was either really really good or really really bad
[13:17] <larsu> Merkel would do the releases?!
[13:19] <desrt> nah.  but she would approve feature requests.
[13:19] <Laney> all of them
[13:19] <desrt> the releases would be done by the federal department of tarballs
[13:20] <larsu> which would sound hilarious in German
[13:57] <seb128> ximion, hey, did you see that appstream 0.9.3 is blocked in xenial-proposed because the autopkgtest regressed<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:57] <pitti> I mailed Robert about that ^ already as he synced it
[13:57] <ximion> seb128: yes, I know about that - the fix is trivial, will be in the next revision at Debian
[13:58] <seb128> k
[13:58] <seb128> pitti, robert_ancell is off this week I think
[13:58] <pitti> ximion: ah great, thanks
[13:58] <pitti> so I guess I smell a force-badtest for that version to unblock it?
[13:58] <pitti> or is it a fix in the runtime code?
[14:03] <ximion> pitti: it's just the testing needing an adjustment since the XML output of libappstream is now pretty-printed by default
[14:04] <pitti> ximion: ah, so only a test bug?
[14:04] <ximion> pitti: jup - you can also take this patch: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-packagekit/appstream.git/commit/?id=7c782558e07c7043a78a91a585685c610b86eb00
[14:04] <pitti> ximion: thanks for confirming and fixing!
[14:04] <ximion> I will do a 0.9.4 bugfix release later this week, which will fix all known remaining bugs (and also this test failure at Debian)
[15:14] <cyphermox> seb128: fixing the autopkgtest failure for NM now...
[15:14] <seb128> cyphermox, great!
[15:54] <Laney> TB poll
[15:55] <Laney> some shady guys on there
[16:08] <pitti> the french mafia, indeed
[16:58] <dobey> hmm, now empathy is doing the same weird thing with settings accounts to offline when the window is closed :-/


[00:30] <garyhbaker> Have been trying various Netinstalls on BeagleBoard C4 w/Zippy.  Successful in past several times.  Today fails "Unable to install busybox-initramfs. Fails consistently.  Any ideas, or is something newly broken....
[01:11] <rcn-ee_lpt> garyhbaker, that can happen if it's not finding the root partition..
[01:12] <rcn-ee_lpt> are you using special bootargs, root on mmc or root on usb ?
[03:51] <garyhbaker> rcn-ee_lpt: I am using no special bootargs and root on mmc...
[03:52] <rcn-ee> garyhbaker, can you pastebin your serial boot log for me to take a look at...... (and in uboot type 'printenv')...
[04:25] <NCommander> ndec: ping?
[08:11] <hrw> moin
[09:14] <hrw> ogra: how goes thumb2 on omap3/4? reliable works?
[09:14] <te_> Hi, is there some repository problem currently? trying to run the rootstock script, but get the following warning: "Couldn't download package lsb-base"
[09:15] <ogra> hrw, seen no issues here
[09:16] <XorA> hrw: no issue here with ubuntu or angstrom with thumb2
[09:18] <hrw> thx guys
[10:16] <ndec> NCommander: pong
[10:25]  * XorA has screwed up his sudoers file
[10:58] <ndec> lool: hi, i have a question, maybe you can help: what do all the XB-Gstreamer-xxx fields mean ? I am making a new package for a gst plugin...
[11:12] <ogra_cmpc> XorA, use visudo thats why it exists :)
[11:14] <hrw> or in worst situation reboot to /bin/bash
[11:14] <ogra_cmpc> well, with single user mode rather
[11:14] <ogra_cmpc> (the visudo comment wasnt about fixing, just about never breaking it ;) )
[11:15] <XorA> heh, lucky with these embedded system just pull out SD card, fix on desktop and put it back in :-)
[11:17] <hrw> ogra: single user mode asks for password
[11:20] <ogra_cmpc> hrw, it doesnt
[11:20] <ogra_cmpc> unless you set a root passwprd
[11:20] <ogra_cmpc> if it does, thats clearly a bug
[11:21] <hrw> ok, did not checked ubuntu way
[11:21] <hrw> nasty it is then
[11:22] <ogra_cmpc> why ?
[12:10] <playya_> moin
[14:02] <ogra> hrm
[14:02] <ogra> mcopy seems to prevent MLO from working
[14:34]  * ogra sighs about CHS and partitioning
[14:35] <hrw> ;D
[14:37] <ogra> its funny, i can build images i dd to the SD but MLO isnt found
[14:37] <ogra> CHS and partitioning are 100% identical to a booting SD
[14:39] <vstehle> ogra: what about the 'bootable' flag?
[14:40] <ogra> its set
[14:40] <ogra> as i said, its 100% identical
[14:40] <vstehle> ogra: is it possible it comes from the way the filesystem was created, then?
[14:40] <ogra> bytesize, start and end of the partitions CHS values of the dd'ed image on the SD vs a natively created one etc
[14:41] <ogra> well, i'm trying mkfs.vfat vs mkdosfs now
[14:41] <vstehle> ogra: also, the "position" of MLO on the filesystem (copied first or not)
[14:41] <ogra> might make a difference but i dont really expect to
[14:41] <ogra> i *only* copy MLO :)
[14:41] <vstehle> ogra: it is known to make a difference on OMAP3, sadle
[14:41] <vstehle> *sadly
[14:41] <ogra> not even u-boot or anything
[14:42] <vstehle> ogra: hmm...
[14:42] <vstehle> ogra: I use 'mkfs.vfat -F 32' on OMAP3
[14:42] <vstehle> ogra: don't know if this helps...
[14:43] <ogra> thats what i used too here
[14:43] <ogra> note though thst i create an empty partitioned image and then dd the filesystems in place
[14:46] <ogra> hmm, no, mkdosfs didnt make any difference
[14:47] <hrw> use omap3-sdcard.sh script?
[14:49] <XorA> its been reported to me that once you copy the MLO 4/5 times for some reason omap3 stops seeing it
[14:49] <XorA> its not an issue Ive seen personally
[14:50] <XorA> I guess there is a bug in fat handling in omap3 somewhere
[14:51] <ojn> yeah. i've seen that in the past too but after more than 4 or 5 copies. I think there's some limitations as to where in the directory table the MLO has to be.
[14:52] <ojn> omap4 is much better in those aspects. :)
[14:58] <ogra_cmpc> hrw, thats not possible with images
[15:01] <hrw> unless you will keep sdcard-header.bz2 somewhere
[15:01] <hrw> and such header will have proper partition table so you just need to append ext234 partition after it
[15:02] <ogra_cmpc> hrw, i need to generate it from scratch
[15:04] <ogra_cmpc> what we usually do is to determine the size of the partitions, add space for the MBR, create an empty image and add a partition table ...
[15:04] <ogra_cmpc> .... then dd the filesystems to the place in the image where they have to be
[15:05] <ogra_cmpc> that works fine for all images we build in ubuntu buut somehow chokes on thesee
[15:06] <ogra_cmpc> what i dont get is that what ends up on the SD is identical to what i create with omap3-sdcard.sh
[15:06] <ogra_cmpc> so there shouldnt be a reason they dont boot
[16:27] <ogra> WOHOO !
[16:27]  * ogra got it
[16:28] <ogra> how silly
[16:28] <vstehle> ogra: let me guess, no header ?
[16:29] <vstehle> (The 8 bytes in front of x-loader)
[16:29] <ogra> nah, apparently the blocksize isnt correct if you use dd to create the FS image, using mkdosfs -C gets me a working vfat
[16:29] <vstehle> ogra: oh, much more tricky then
[16:29] <ogra> i used to do dd, then mkdosfs, then using mcopy to get MLO in place
[16:29] <ogra> ignoring that mkdosfs vas a -C switch that creates the fat properly with the right blocksizes etc
[16:30] <ogra> s/vas/has/
[16:30] <ogra> so i'm one step closer to preinstalled ubuntu images :)
[16:30]  * ogra tries if that works on omap3 too
[16:32] <ogra> hmm, how do i convince parted to show blocksizes
[16:34] <ogra> grmbl, parted has a unit command that doesnt offer blocks at all
[17:25] <lool> ndec: GStreamer fields are used to automatically discover packages
[17:26] <lool> ndec: Ultimately, this allows totem to offer installing this or that package with codecs when you're trying to play an unsupported media
[17:27] <lool> ndec: This involves two things: mapping a codec/MIME type to an element name (I think that's in app-install-data, but I'm not sure), and then mapping an element name to the package it's in (e.g. apt-cache show gstreamer0.10-esd should show Gstreamer-Elements: esdsink, so if you're trying to install the package with the esdsink element, you can install that package)
[17:29] <lool> ndec: In fact, app-install-data just provides some aggregated information found in all other packages
[17:53] <markos_> lool, ogra: hi guys, almost done with building ubuntu-desktop hardfp, using rootstock-native (using chroot not qemu), but got this problem http://paste.debian.net/76504/, any ideas how to fix this?
[17:53] <ogra> you shouldnt need hal
[17:53] <ogra> weird
[17:54] <ogra> is that lucid ?
[17:54] <ogra> hal is started by dbus now it doesnt come with an initscript
[17:55] <markos_> no karmic
[17:55] <ogra> ah
[17:55] <ogra> might be a chroot issue
[17:55] <markos_> next step is to build lucid, but I thought I'd at least complete base karmic install
[17:56] <markos_> most likely, as services don't start -ie the system doesn't "boot" from the chroot, I just chroot in the dir
[17:56] <ogra> hal had probs in the past running inside chroots, i know there were workarounds but i dont know if they are arch specific
[17:56] <cwillu> markos_, what all do you mount in the chroot?
[17:56] <markos_> proc, dev/pts, sys iirc
[17:56] <markos_> yes
[17:56] <ogra> yeah, you should definately have proc
[17:57] <cwillu> dev and dev/pts?
[17:57] <markos_> oh and -o bind /dev
[17:57] <markos_> hm, no sorry
[17:57] <markos_> just /dev/pts
[17:58] <markos_> (well, rootstock-native does)
[17:59] <zumbi> markos_: -o rbind /dev || -o bind dev/pts
[18:01] <zumbi> hrw|gone: just uploaded buildcross 0.0.4, it has an undocumented option (--bootstrap-debsrc) which tries to build a base from Debian sources, but quite does not work (that's why it is undocumented) ;-) Enjoy!
[18:19] <lool> markos_: So hal doesn't start and breaks your packages
[18:19] <lool> markos_: Is this under qemu-system-arm, or qemu syscall emulation?
[18:19] <lool> markos_: I wouldn't trust the later to allow starting hal
[18:20] <markos_> none, chroot under native arm
[18:21] <zumbi> markos_: i remember start-stop-daemon (provided by dpkg) was masked by some script which did nothing, so it prevent hal to work
[18:21] <zumbi> the good one was renamed start-stop-daemon.REAL
[18:22] <zumbi> markos_: maybe you are affected by such
[18:22] <markos_> well, just read that hal doesnt' do anything if /sys is not mounted so disabled that mount, let's see...
[18:23] <zumbi> hrw|gone: i forgot to uncomment some code for the bootstrap stuff to work, so better wait to next release.
[18:26] <gregoiregentil> rcn-ee rcn-ee_lpt: Ping?
[18:31] <lool> markos_: Might be a feature in your kernel being missing for hal
[19:04] <rcn-ee> gregoiregentil, pong (lunch) how's it going..
[19:04] <gregoiregentil> rcn-ee: good. thanks.
[19:05] <gregoiregentil> I feel a little bit "frustrated" because I would like to do Lucid
[19:05] <gregoiregentil> but I'm really stuck
[19:05] <gregoiregentil> Compiling on the device doesn't work well for me. It segfaults all the time
[19:05] <gregoiregentil> where do we stand on the rootstock issues?
[19:06] <rcn-ee> we are all frustrated with lucid.. ;)  it's segfaulting on all my 64bit machines..  did you guys have any luck with the rootstock-on-arm tree i sent you?  It's pretty solid on my beagle running debian squeeze...
[19:10] <rcn-ee> gregoiregentil, just thought of something, what kernel are you using when you compile on your device.. (I'm assuming touchbook 2.6.29/2.6.32?  I'm using this errata
[19:12] <gregoiregentil> the rootstock-on-arm tree doesn't work well for me. It segfaults on the device. I need to try more
[19:14] <cwillu_at_work> rcn-ee, I've had generally good luck with rootstock-on-chroot
[19:14] <rcn-ee> strange.. is there a specific package? or something.. this is your current list right? http://git.alwaysinnovating.com/cgit.cgi/ai.ubuntu/tree/packages
[19:22] <rcn-ee> gregoiregentil, i'm giving that package list a quick run on my beagle..
[19:29] <gregoiregentil> this is the current list indeed
[19:33] <rcn-ee> twittling thumbs as the beagle goes to work... ;) didn't we have a qemu guy kinda interested in this bug...
[19:42] <rcn-ee> gregoiregentil, it's made it to the main package install phase (apt-get install "touchbook") it'll take anouther 30mins before all the packages are downloaded..  I'm gonna drive back to work, but i'll monitor it and then email you in an hour or two on what happend...
[19:42] <gregoiregentil> Thanks
[19:46] <ogra_tb> gregoiregentil, hey
[19:46] <gregoiregentil> hello
[19:47] <ogra_tb> i'm using your .32 kernel, i sthere any way to convince it to charge the battery ?
[19:48] <cwillu_at_work> rcn-ee, am I going to have a 2.6.35rc2 kernel tonight? :)
[19:48] <ogra_tb> lucid netbook runs awesome  on it but its a bit annoying that i have to replace the sd and run angstrom to let the battery charge
[19:56] <DanaG1> I wish AMD would make an ARM thingy with a Radeon.
[19:57] <ogra_tb>  DanaG1 you mean copying nvidia ?
[19:57] <DanaG1> yeah, but being more open.
[19:58] <ogra_tb> well, wait for maverick the TI situation will become a lot better
[20:21] <cwillu_at_work> ogra_tb, that sounds pleasantly ominous :D
[20:22] <ogra_tb> hehe
[22:58] <armin76> zumbi: there's a strike tmrw, so i won't be at my workplace
[23:01] <slangasek> ogra: does https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-m-image-builds-without-root need a spec?  I see that it already has workitems
[23:23] <cwillu_at_work> rcn-ee, you're not ignoring my cries are you? :)
[23:47] <rcn-ee> nope.. just wasn't home.... ;) 2.6.35-rc2 is building, it was queyed up last night.. http://rcn-ee.homeip.net:81/dl/farm/log/
[23:58]  * cwillu_at_work hits refresh... occasionally


[16:23] <donofrio> when is 20.04.1 releaased?
[16:26] <Ussat> Its like a fine wine, when its ready
[16:52] <donofrio> k
[16:58] <smallfoot-> Hey can someone paste me their /etc/apt/sources.list file? (preferably if you got Groovy Gorilla, but else is fine too)


[20:27] <Pendulum> akgraner pleia2 nhandler: any idea who is best for me to poke about expiring UWN and ubuntu-news memberships?
[20:27] <Pendulum> bah


[10:23] <czajkowski> *yawns*
[10:23] <ShaneM> Morning
[10:23] <czajkowski> ShaneM: hows you
[10:23] <ShaneM> All good, nice day :)
[10:23] <ShaneM> You?
[10:25] <czajkowski> good thanks
[10:25] <czajkowski> nice and sunny here today
[10:26] <ShaneM> Great!
[10:30]  * daxroc god bless screen
[10:30] <daxroc> Morning all
[10:48] <tdr112> morning
[10:49] <czajkowski> hows folks
[11:02] <tdr112> so how are we doing Miss czajkowski
[11:02]  * tdr112 is heading to the uk for the weekend
[11:02] <czajkowski> tdr112: where about ?
[11:02] <czajkowski> am good
[11:02] <czajkowski> going to surrey lug meet up
[11:03] <tdr112> newcastle for http://www.makerfaireuk.com/
[11:04] <tdr112>  a bit of a group of us are going
[11:04] <czajkowski> sweet
[11:04] <czajkowski> hows college going
[11:07] <tdr112> lots of work to do , doing a web dev project at the moment
[11:08] <czajkowski> oh ?
[11:08] <czajkowski> on ?
[11:09] <tdr112> anything i want , just has to have over 4 pages , using html 4.01 strict and css 2.1
[11:12] <czajkowski> sweet
[11:15] <tdr112> i am think of making up a cv site
[11:15] <tdr112> a page for each section
[11:15] <czajkowski> nods
[11:15]  * ebel has been learning more of html5 and css3. some nice fancy stuff there
[12:12] <czajkowski> ebel: when do ye head off on yer travels
[12:13] <slashtom> next year, after ramadam
[12:13] <czajkowski> thought you were heading away in April some time
[12:13] <ebel> czajkowski: yes AU
[12:13] <ebel> at easter time
[12:14] <slashtom> i'm not really counting AU as traveling
[12:15] <ebel> My mum once remarked that Australia was "so culturally different"
[12:15] <ebel> about as culturally different as Cork IMO :P
[12:15] <slashtom> :P
[12:16] <slashtom> or Wales
[12:16]  * slashtom considers .eu as the local area :P
[12:24] <slashtom> we now have 1 main travel plan and 3 backup plans (to allow for political instability)
[12:25] <czajkowski> dont forget to plan for volcanos as well
[12:25] <czajkowski> or snow
[12:25] <slashtom> no volcanos
[12:25] <slashtom> but earthquakes could be a problem
[12:26] <ebel> we'll be on motorbikes. ash clouds less likely to be a problem
[12:26] <ebel> although flying the bikes back....
[12:26] <ebel> hmmm
[12:27] <slashtom> and in the month after ramadam there shouldn't be much snow
[12:27] <slashtom> ebel: just had a phone call from courier, i think our new PC has arrived
[12:29] <slashtom> although if we do backup plan 2 or 2.1 we won't need to fly anything
[12:32] <ebel> http://i.imgur.com/fGHd7.jpg "I'm so gay I can't even drink straight"
[12:32] <ebel> slashtom: ah cool, new hardware!
[12:33] <slashtom> yep, i will bring a monitor home from work
[14:29] <daxroc> yay new desktop arrived. need to burn 10.10
[14:32] <moylan> daxroc:you don't have a usb drive with ubuntu with you at all times?
[17:21] <daxroc> moylan: no need to make one, have the ultimate boot disk near by tho
[17:22] <tdr112> evening
[17:22] <daxroc> Evening
[22:13] <infoturtle> guys, anyone know a way of running a .jar on a hosting server I don't have ssh access to? the .jar is minecraft_server.jar so it's to stay running and allow people to connect to it but have the program still run