[07:49] <toabctl> hi all
[07:52] <toabctl> i build a deb package for a django-application and want to create a dir in /var/lib/appname for some data from the app. how can i do this with debian/rules? anybody know?
[07:57] <twb> toabctl: create a debian/foo.dirs
[07:57] <toabctl> twb, and how can i set the owner:group and the permissions?
[07:58] <twb> I don't remember, try #debian-mentors on OFTC.
[07:58] <twb> Or man debhelper
[07:59] <toabctl> twb: when i use foo.dirs, i get an error because i move some files to the dirs (move is in debian/rules). so the dirs will be created after debian/rules ?
[08:00] <twb> dh_fixperms
[08:00] <twb> This is off-topic for this channel.  Move to #ubuntu-devel and/or #debian-mentors (on OFTC).
[08:01] <toabctl> twb, ok. thx
[08:06] <fargiolas> I asked it yesterday but got no reply, is there a way to get a lpia image of ubuntu server? or alternatively, is there a way to turn an ubuntu-desktop (which exists in lpia version) in an ubuntu-server one?
[08:06] <fargiolas> *into
[08:07] <twb> fargiolas: broadly, purge ubuntu-desktop and its markauto'd deps, and install ubuntu-server.
[08:07] <twb> The packages, that is.
[08:08] <fargiolas> twb: good, thanks
[08:12] <twb> You'll also want to change the kernel
[08:23] <owh> I've been helping slugnard to find out why his fresh 8.10 server isn't serving php or python pages.
[08:24] <owh> After actually installing libapache2-mod-php5 and seeing that the server restarts and seeing that php5 is enabled, we get the file as a download.
[08:24] <owh> The headers from the server don't show php just python.
[08:25] <owh> There are no errors that I can determine in error.log, and access.log appears to be fine.
[08:25] <owh> Any suggestions on where to go from here?
[08:28] <fargiolas> twb: why the kernel? isn't the lpia one the right one?
[08:29] <kraut> moin
[08:29] <owh> Hey kraut
[08:29] <owh> Have you got a rollback?
[08:30] <twb> fargiolas: I don't know what lpia is.
[08:30] <twb> fargiolas: but ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-server have different default kernels.
[08:30] <fargiolas> by the way why there is no lpia image for ubuntu-server? I think there is some diffusion of atom based mini computers used as home servers because they have little consumes, little noise, etc
[08:30] <fargiolas> twb: lpia is the architecture for intel atom processors
[08:32] <jmarsden> owh: Did you/slugnard do:     sudo a2enmod php5  # and then restart Apache
[08:32] <owh> Yup
[08:32] <owh> jmarsden: It was already enabled.
[08:33] <owh> The php module installation also restarted apache.
[08:34] <jmarsden> Sounds like some sort of config error, so Apache is still using an old configuration or something like that??? It usually "just works" for me.
[08:35] <twb> fargiolas: isn't that just a subarch of AMD64?
[08:35] <owh> jmarsden: Same here. I've just logged into the server, so I'll have a look see.
[08:35] <fargiolas> twb: subarch of x86 probably
[08:36] <fargiolas> twb: but ubuntu already builds packages for that architecture, just doesn't build all the "flavours" for that architecture
[08:36] <twb> I don't know what you're saying.
[08:36] <fargiolas> there is ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-mid but no ubuntu-server for example
[08:36] <twb> Seems to me you'd just install the ubuntu-server kernel.
[08:36] <jmarsden> twb: On Ubuntu lpia is a separate build, I think it needs specific compiler optimizations to run code at decent speed on those low power cpus.  and I don't think Ubuntu provides a ubuntu-server kernel for lpia :)
[08:37] <owh> Is there a way that I can use screen to have slugnard look over my shoulder?
[08:37] <fargiolas> twb: no you don't get me, I mean there is no ubuntu-server iso image and probably no kernel for that arch
[08:37] <fargiolas> jmarsden: any idea about why?
[08:38] <fargiolas> (sorry for the spam, here is an example of the home servers I'm talking about, as far as I know they're getting pretty common.. http://linitx.com/viewcategory.php?catid=51&pp=51)
[08:38] <jmarsden> I'd guess most people working with that hardware are embedded developer types who don't need or want an ISO, their target hardware probably often doesn't even have a CDROM drive, and may have rather limited flash and RAM space.
[08:38] <twb> jmarsden: that sounds like bullshit to me.  I run atoms just fine using stock x86 images.
[08:39] <fargiolas> jmarsden: I don't think atom are used just for embedded envs.. look at thos bundles, they are normal 945 motherboards
[08:40] <fargiolas> jmarsden: anyway, ok for the iso image but what about the kernel?
[08:40] <jmarsden> twb: Well, someone spends time and energy maintaining separate lpia buildd's, so if I'm mistaken, there is probably another more correct reason.
[08:40] <twb> Atom isn't embedded at all.
[08:40] <fargiolas> exactly
[08:40] <twb> jmarsden: I imagine they're just obsessive, like people who compile their own kernels "for speed".
[08:40] <twb> jmarsden: all of Arch and Gentoo fall into that category, so there are clearly people prepared to go to the effort -- doesn't mean it's worthwhile.
[08:41] <jmarsden> Someone at Canonical, who persuaded Ubuntu as a whole to treat lpia as a separate arch... OK, you are free to speculate.
[08:41] <fargiolas> twb: it's not just compile time optimization, there are also specific kernel patches
[08:41] <twb> Sure.  I admit that I just use Atom desktops.
[08:41] <twb> fargiolas: you can have a kernel package for a subarch without having a whole dedicated arch for everything else
[08:42] <twb> There used to be such packages for 686 and k7 and such
[08:42] <fargiolas> twb: don't know I just assumed that if canonical was building every single package for lpia that was worth
[08:43] <jmarsden> owh: Yes, you can use screen for that, but I'm off to bed... screen -r is the option you need.
[08:43] <twb> The only hit on http://packages.ubuntu.com/lpia is installation-guide-lpia
[08:43] <owh> Yup, found it, thanks jmarsden
[08:44] <twb> ...though that indicates Ubuntu treat it as a distinct arch, like i386 and amd64.
[08:45] <fargiolas> twb: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/lpia
[08:45] <fargiolas> twb: everything is compiled for lpia
[08:48] <twb> madness
[08:54] <twb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Specs/LpiaVersusI386
[08:57] <owh> I'm on slugnard's 8.10 server. php and html files are being served normally. python files are being downloaded rather than executed - any suggestions?
[09:01] <fargiolas> twb: I'll go with i386 then..
[09:18] <jmarsden> owh: Go through the apache config files looking for anything about .py ?  Or just tar them up and copy the tarball elsewhere, then diff against a set from a known working server?
[09:19] <owh> jmarsden: I've not got a working set of python installed anywhere, so it's a tad hard to compare, but the config files look good from what I can see. It's serving the file, just not running it. Like the python module doesn't get fed the file.
[09:24] <jmarsden> owh: I just did sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-python && sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart   # and it "just worked"
[09:25] <owh> Yeah, slugnard has modified ports.conf and apache was using that for the virtual host defition :-)
[09:25] <owh> Now all we need to do is fix: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using <IP_ADDRESS> for ServerName
[09:26] <jmarsden> owh: Edit /etc/hosts and sort out the hostname entry for the actual server hostname
[09:26] <owh> For the localhost entry?
[09:27] <jmarsden> leave localhost at <IP_ADDRESS> but add / edit one for <IP_ADDRESS> myserver.mydomain.com  # or whatever
[09:28] <twb> jmarsden: hmm, my FQDN points to <IP_ADDRESS>.  Why should it point to my host's IP on another interface?
[09:28] <twb> (Admittedly, this box is Debian.)
[09:28] <jmarsden> Because Apache gets upset otherwise.  I've seen then <IP_ADDRESS> thing before, usually it means you configured networking one way and then later chanhed it (like from DHCP to static?).
[09:29] <twb> Oh, I always use DHCP for upstream interfaces.
[09:29] <jmarsden> all I know is, if you replace that <IP_ADDRESS> with the actual IP of eth0 (or whatever), the warning from Apache goes away.
[09:29] <twb> Fair enough.
[09:41] <owh> jmarsden: I added the eth0 ip address and its name, all happy.
[09:41] <jmarsden> Good :)
[09:41] <owh> And the python problem was caused by a modified ports.conf file which overrode everything :)
[09:43] <jmarsden> So as long as slugnard has now learned not to edit configuration files he's not familiar with, all should be well :)
[09:43] <owh> I should take away his root privs :)
[09:43] <owh> I suppose that would mean that I'd become the server admin. Hmm, better give those privs back :)
[09:46] <psteyn> hmm, either ubuntu or debian's usermod is broken/dodgy
[09:47] <psteyn> try 'usermod -G  groupname username' and it doesn't work.  but 'usermod -G groupname username' does work.  Looks like usermod doesn't handle spaces.
[09:47] <owh> Hey, just a sideways sort of question. I've got my ssh-key on LP. An admin can add it to their ssh keys and allow me to login remotely to their server. How can I prove to them that I only did what I said I did...
[09:47] <owh> Today I ran screen and the other user ran screen -x, but that's hardly water tight.
[09:48] <owh> It's as much about protecting me against them as it is them being protected from me.
[09:49] <jmarsden> owh: I'm not sure you really can.  You can log what you do using script mylogfile.txt which works for command line stuff, but if you use an editor the log is... hard to read :)
[09:50] <owh> When I logged in, the user has only my word that the first command I ran was screen.
[09:50] <owh> That's hardly satisfactory.
[09:51] <owh> I didn't know about script though. The screen log is horrible.
[09:51] <jmarsden> User could modify your .bashrc to run script /users-log-file.txt maybe
[09:51] <owh> That seems less than intuitive.
[09:52] <jmarsden> Basically, root means you control the machine... offering someone root on your machine is, in general, unwise :)
[09:53] <jmarsden> If you want to offer someone shell access you can do all sorts of restrictions but none are 100% watertight if you are going to allow the shell user to run a wide range of commands as root...
[09:53] <owh> That's true. I wonder if there is a way that makes sense to implement.
[09:53] <owh> My concern initially was just accountability to protect both parties.
[09:54] <jmarsden> owh: Offer them root in a virtual machine you snapshotted, and compare the snapshot with another one made afterwards??
[09:55] <jmarsden> Whatever you do ends up requiring the end user to be knowledgeable enough to check what you did... and if they are that knowledgeable they would not really need your remote assistance :)
[09:55] <owh> Take the case today. Troubleshooting via IRC was causing hairloss. Logging in allowed me to hunt around and see what was going on. That's hardly something that you'd setup a virtual machine for, then allow me to login, then check it afterwards.
[09:56] <owh> I feel uncomfortable with "I did the magic incantation and now it works."
[09:56] <jmarsden> Right.  You could have asked end user to tar up their set of config files and put them somewhere you could download from, maybe.
[09:57] <owh> The problem turned out to be somewhere completely unexpected - which is often the case with problems like this.
[09:57] <jmarsden> You can do    touch /root/i-started-now   # and then later do find / -newer /root/i-started-now to see what files changed...
[09:57] <owh> That's a smart idea.
[09:57] <jmarsden> owh: Not really, the problem was in an apache config file under /etc/apache2, right -- exactly where expected.
[09:58] <jmarsden> A really smart root user with malicious intent would reset timestamps somewhere along the way, of course, to defeat the find, but it can be handy
[09:58] <owh> Right, but it was not something you could find until you could create a python file in the web root, look at the local index.html file, find out that php wasn't installed and that the apache log file would be in a strange location.
[09:59] <jmarsden> owh: Sure it was.  if you had tarred the files and compared them with a "out of the box" set the cahnges to ports.conf would have been immediately apaprent.
[09:59] <jmarsden> That's somewhat 20/20 hindsight, i realize...
[09:59] <owh> I suppose the malicious intent comes with being a Ubuntero.
[10:00] <kraut> could anybody tell me something about anonpages?
[10:00] <kraut> i got a machine with full ram but there RSS alltogether is only at  ~50%
[10:01] <owh> kraut: anonpages are like nonpages but with an a in front <- does that help :)
[10:01] <kraut> i don't understand, why all the ram is full. it's not cached ram, it's in use
[10:01] <kraut> and anonpages is at ~450-480 MB wich would describe, why it's full
[10:01] <kraut> owh: no
[10:01] <owh> kraut: You mean the ram is not used by the kernel disk cache?
[10:01] <kraut> yes
[10:01] <kraut> it's really full
[10:01] <jmarsden> kraut: Google for it, there are postings describing this...
[10:01] <owh> Run away process?
[10:02] <kraut>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[10:02] <kraut> Mem:       1027068    1018796       8272          0       6524      16716
[10:02] <kraut> jmarsden: i did, but didn't found anything wich is usefull
[10:02] <cemc> kraut: what's the next line saying ?
[10:02] <kraut> that's meminfo: http://pastebin.com/m828efbb
[10:03] <kraut> -/+ buffers/cache:     995556      31512
[10:03] <kraut> Swap:      2097144     517332    1579812
[10:03] <kraut> cemc: ^
[10:03] <cemc> stop apache :)
[10:03] <kraut> why?
[10:03] <cemc> you have apache running?
[10:03] <kraut> yes ;)
[10:03] <cemc> heh
[10:03] <kraut> but why should that be a problem?
[10:03] <kraut> there is a httpd-2 and tomcat running
[10:03] <cemc> restart it then and see if the memory comes back
[10:04] <kraut> httpd as proxy for the tomcat
[10:04] <cemc> just a hunch
[10:04] <kraut> apache2ctl restart is fine?
[10:04] <kraut> don't think that's the issue
[10:04] <kraut> didn't changed anything
[10:04] <kraut> i must that that's a vmware on a esx cluster
[10:05] <kraut> maybe that's an issue, but don't know how
[10:05] <cemc> run top, sort it my memory usage, anything sticks out?
[10:05] <cemc> as using too much ram
[10:06] <owh> Thanks jmarsden for your help today. I'm otta here...
[10:06] <jmarsden> No problem.  I should be, too :)
[10:06] <owh> Didn't you say you were going to bed?
[10:06] <jmarsden> Yes... :)
[10:06] <owh> Bugger off then :)
[10:07] <owh> Later all.
[10:07] <jmarsden> owh: 2am here... goodnight!
[10:07] <cemc> kraut: found anything?
[10:07] <kraut> cemc: java of course, but not that heavy
[10:08] <kraut> 50063     4760  0.4 43.0 1191132 442080 ?      Sl   Apr20   6:07 /bss-tools_fs/java/jdk1.6/bin/java -server -Xmx512m -XX:MaxPermSize=256m -Djava.util.logging.manager=org.apache.juli.ClassLoaderLogManager -Djava.util.logging.config.file=/bss-tools_fs/tomcat/current/conf/logging.properties -Dappserver.home=/bss-tools_fs/tomcat/current -Dappserver.base=/bss-tools_fs/tomcat/current -Djava.endorsed.dirs=/bss-tools_fs/tomcat/current/endorsed -cla
[10:08] <kraut> sspath :/bss-tools_fs/tomcat/current/bin/bootstrap.jar -Dcatalina.base=/bss-tools_fs/tomcat/current -Dcatalina.home=/bss-tools_fs/tomcat/current -Djava.io.tmpdir=/bss-tools_fs/tomcat/current/temp org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap start
[10:09] <cemc> kraut: maybe something's leaking
[10:10] <kraut> sure, but i don't know how to find out wich one is it
[10:11] <cemc> I'm not exactly sure why and how, but I had once issues with apache eating up the memory, and getting locked up somewhere, had to clean up after it with some ipcs tool
[10:12] <kraut> ipcs tool?
[10:12] <kraut> what's that?
[10:13] <cemc> with ipcs you get a list of stuff apache uses, and with ipcrm you can remove them (after stopping apache, if anything's left there)
[10:13] <cemc> something like that, but I can't explain why or how all this works
[10:14] <cemc> may be another issue you're having... but it's definitely not good when it uses that much swap :)
[10:14] <cemc> anythin else running on that machine ? besides the usual stuff (syslog, ssh, cron, etc)
[11:08] <chatwhore> which linux is this please ? thanks alot bros http://www.wimp.com/funidea/
[11:55] <rcarnevale> Hi all. I'm going to buy  a Dell Power Edge 2950 w/ PERC6/i SCSI controller. Has anyone experince of this HW platform... Does vanilla kernel support all HW?
[14:04] <Ethos> how do i set my time correctly?
[14:05] <Ethos> im running a linode and sudo date doesn't work
[14:06] <_ruben> linode?
[14:07] <Ethos> Yeah, virtual linux server :)
[14:07] <Ethos> www.linode.com
[14:07] <_ruben> i always use sudo ntpdate my.fav.ntp.server.com .. saves me from entering the proper details :)
[14:07] <Ethos> Yeah, doesn't work for me
[14:07] <Ethos> I'm guessing something isn't set properly for the UK
[14:07] <Ethos> Not sure though :(
[14:18] <chipt4> hi, i'm unable to log into my ubuntu server via ssh until it is logged into physically.  any ideas why?  i added the ssh server to my /etc/rc.local
[14:21] <atomic__> chipt4: you might want to try "ssh user@host -vvv" for a more detailed output
[14:22] <chipt4> actually i just discovered i'm able to ssh in from this machine (windows, via putty) but not my mac laptop
[14:22] <chipt4> we're all on lan, the mac is wirelessly
[14:22] <Ethos> How encrypted is straight ssh to a ssh server (ubuntu)?
[14:22] <Ethos> With say putty :)
[14:22] <chipt4> but it times out, where as the windows connects
[14:23] <chipt4> strange
[14:23] <atomic__> can you ping the server from the mac ?
[14:24] <chipt4> here's one more:  on boot, i get messages about my motherboard not being acpi compliant.. i've tried noacpi as a boot option, but that didn't work.  (the machine is an old pentium 2 350mhz)
[14:26] <chipt4> omg the connection on the mac had just gone down xD that's what I get for buying the router on clearance
[14:29] <chipt4> oh well thanks for the help!
[14:33] <soren> Ethos: Um... It's very well encrypted. Does that answer your question at all?
[14:33] <Ethos> Kind of
[14:34] <Ethos> It's a silly question reall :)
[14:34] <soren> so was the answer, so that's ok :)
[14:34] <Ethos> heh
[14:34] <soren> It is generally considered secure.
[14:34] <Ethos> I'm using ssh to irssi from work, just thinking about security as I type ALOT of shit :D
[14:35] <soren> Assuming that P!=NP, you're safe :)
[14:35] <Ethos> What.
[14:35] <soren> In other words: Don't worry about it.
[14:35] <soren> :)
[14:35] <Ethos> :)
[16:02] <Nokio> Hi all i am trying to setup 2 ubuntu with ldap (so far no problem) then i want to configure the 2 ldap to replicate each other. I was following so far this doc https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenLDAPServer#LDAP%20replication but i dont have any slapd.conf file to add the replication information...
[16:02] <sommer> Nokio: there are updated instructions in the serverguide
[16:02] <sommer> !serverguide
[16:02] <Nokio> okay thanks sommer ill go take a look thanks
[16:03] <sommer> Nokio: np
[16:03] <kpettit> anybody know of a good way to create a mountable disk image (kind of like a vmware image) that spans multiple 2GB files?
[16:03] <kpettit> I have a 64gb flash that I need to keep fat32, but I wanted to put a disk image on there I can mount and have larger than 4GB.
[16:04] <kpettit> I couldn't think of any tools that gives me a vmware type of disk image that is in multiple 2gb files
[16:09] <Nokio> sommer that documentation is for 8.04 i am using 8.10 i dont know if that explain why i dont have the /etc/ldap/slapd.conf file and if i go under http://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/ there is no ldap replication section
[16:09] <Nokio> summer ho nevermind i think i got it
[16:10] <jmedina> Nokio: in 9.10 there is not slapd.conf your configurations are stored in the directory database cn=config
[16:10] <sommer> Nokio: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html
[16:10] <Nokio> jmedina yeah i just saw that :p thanks to both of you sommer and jmedina i think i have what i need to go on !
[16:17] <jmedina> sommer: you are a documentation team member right?
[16:19] <sommer> jmedina: yeppers
[17:04] <jmedina> sommer: you use docbook for official documentation?
[17:09] <sommer> jmedina: yep, at the moment
[17:10] <jmedina> sommer: good, Im writting some ubuntu documentation in spanish, I have used docbook for a few years using basic stysheets from walsh
[17:11] <sommer> jmedina: the bzr branch is here: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-doc
[17:11] <jmedina> how do you convert docbook to the format in https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html
[17:11] <jmedina> do you use any stylesheet or something?
[17:11] <jmedina> I want to publish my documents in a similar way, probably the same
[17:12] <sommer> yep the makefile uses xsltproc with xslt
[17:12] <jmedina> sommer: where can I find makefile and docbook files?
[17:12]  * jmedina hopes it is packaged :D
[17:13] <sommer> jmedina: if you check out the source bzr branch lp:ubuntu-doc it's in the top directory
[17:14] <jmedina> sommer: well I know nothing about bzr but thanks I found the package, let me check it
[17:18] <jmedina> mm I dont see any Makefile in ubuntu-docs package
[17:23] <sommer> jmedina: ya, you'll probably have to grab the source... bzr is a lot like other VCS, I use it a lot like subversion
[17:29] <Faust-C> jmedina, i bought the book you recommended, and im quite happy w/ it
[17:30] <jmedina> Faust-C: the one from packetpub?
[17:30] <jmedina> mastering openldap?
[17:30] <Faust-C> yeah
[17:32] <jmedina> Faust-C: good let me find a HP presentation  so you can convince why openldap is superior
[17:33] <Faust-C> sweet
[17:33] <Faust-C> brb lunch
[17:36] <jmedina> http://www.openldap.org/conf/odd-sandiego-2004/Neil.pdf
[17:36] <jmedina> that is when they fist evaluated openldap, but it didnt fit their requirements
[17:37] <jmedina> I cant find the other presentation
[17:38] <jmedina> well in fact HP supports symas openldap as a commercial service
[17:42] <jmedina> by the way: http://www.suretecsystems.com/our_docs/Symas_OpenLDAP_vs_Debian_OpenLDAP_2008.pdf
[17:58] <jmedina> sommer: thanks, I downladed ubuntu-docs source package, I found the Makefile :D
[18:00] <sommer> jmedina: no problem, if you have specific questions I may be able to help, or someone in #ubuntu-doc will have more info as well
[19:04] <flucksbawks> hey guys.  installing fluxbox on a BARE ubuntu-server install (only LAMP Stack and BitTornado/torrentfluxx)
[19:04] <flucksbawks> what all packages do I need?
[19:04] <flucksbawks> or is there a metapackage  (i'm not familiar with -server)
[19:15] <Nokio> Hi all, I have 2 ubuntu 8.10 and i  installed ldap on both of them and im trying to set up a replication between them. So far I followed this doc https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html. Prior to point 8 under the replication section everything seems to be working good i dont have any error or anything wierd ( i think) At point 8 when i do the ldapmodify in /var/log/syslog i get the following mess
[19:15] <Nokio> age :http://pastebin.com/d11c00fab if someone can help me thanks in advance
[19:38] <Nokio> Anyone can give a quick help with ubuntu and ldap replication ?!
[19:39] <sommer> Nokio: you need to index the entryUUID
[19:39] <sommer> Nokio: there are instructions in the openldap configuration section on adding indexes
[19:40] <Nokio> is doing that going to make the replication work ?! i mean i though that that far i would at least get message on both server that they are trying to sync or something
[19:43] <sommer> Nokio: not 100% sure, but it will stop the error
[19:43] <kaje> I have a few packages waiting to be updated. How can I read what was fixed in these updates before I update from the command-line?
[19:43] <sommer> Nokio: it may be needed, if so I'll update the docs for that
[19:44] <Nokio> sommer ok ill go in the doc and search the index section and try it out to see what it does
[19:48] <kaje> Anyone? I need to read the update details for an update package from the command line....
[19:54] <Nokio> sommer: i might be blind but i dont see any indexing section in the doc :p
[19:55] <sommer> Nokio: in the configuration secion, at the top, there's instrucions for adding an index
[19:55] <Nokio> sommer ive done that part
[19:56] <sommer> Nokio: did the error go away?
[19:57] <Nokio> sommer: here take a look http://pastebin.com/d5b392575
[19:58] <Nokio> sommer: nah error still there
[20:03] <sommer> Nokio: that add an index for the cn attribute... the error is for entryUUID
[20:04] <sommer> Nokio: replace "olcDbIndex: cn eq,pres,sub" with "olcDbIndex: entryUUID eq,pres,sub"
[20:10] <Nokio> sommer: wierd its giving me this http://pastebin.com/d1e014f83
[20:11] <vensign> hi kaje check this http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-search.en.html#s-apt-listchanges
[20:13] <sommer> Nokio: mmm... just try olcDbIndex: entryUUID eq
[20:15] <kaje> thanks vensign
[20:16] <Nokio> sommer: that last one worked
[20:17] <Nokio> sommer: i dont have the error anymore but i still have this one http://pastebin.com/d699bda5
[20:18] <sommer> Nokio: try restarting slapd on both machines
[20:18] <Nokio> sommer: if data were trying to sync at all i would see in in /var/log/syslog i supose ?!
[20:21] <Nokio> sommer: restartin slapd on both machine keep giving the same message. Just to know i have the same configuration on both server the only difference is that on one machine i have a ldap user that i want to sync and its on that server that i have those error
[20:22] <sommer> Nokio: does each server have an entry in /etc/hosts for <IP_ADDRESS> that maps back to the name you placed in the syncrepl config?
[20:24] <Nokio> sommer: in those 2 file i used ip address so i dont think i need to put an entry in /etc/hosts...
[20:25] <Nokio> sommer: here are the 2 file i used http://pastebin.com/de8759d5
[20:26] <sommer> Nokio: yep, should be fine then
[20:27] <sommer> Nokio: try making another change to one of the directories
[20:27] <Nokio> sommer: for my information the entry we added about  "olcDbIndex: entryUUID eq" i did it on my frist server should it ad been transfered to the second ?!
[20:27] <sommer> Nokio: yes
[20:27] <Nokio> sommer: okay because it did not get transfed
[20:32] <Nokio> sommer: just created a new group in my first server nothing on the second servers log...
[20:32] <sommer> Nokio: not sure then, you might stop slapd and start it in a terminal with -d 6 to view detailed debug info
[20:33] <Nokio> sommer: since the  "olcDbIndex: entryUUID eq" did not get sync is it an other problem or the 2 are related ?!
[20:33] <sommer> Nokio: try making another change
[20:35] <sommer> Nokio: http://www.openldap.org/lists/openldap-software/200809/msg00076.html
[20:35] <sommer> Nokio: have you configured both the sync the cn=config db?
[20:38] <Nokio> i think its what point 1 to 6 in the replication section is for ?!
[20:40] <sommer> Nokio: yep
[20:40] <Nokio> sommer: then yes i did it
[20:40] <Nokio> sommer: may i have done an error in one of those 2 files ?! http://pastebin.com/de8759d5
[20:46] <sommer> Nokio: what's the output of: ldapsearch -xLLL -b cn=config -D cn=admin,cn=config -W o
[20:47] <flucksbawks> hi, I just tried to load fluxbox onto my CLI-only ubuntu-server (intrepid) with only these two packages-- "sudo apt-get install xorg fluxbox"
[20:48] <Nokio> sommer: http://pastebin.com/da425c04
[20:48] <sommer> Nokio: and when you added the new index it didn't get populated to the 2nd server?
[20:49] <Nokio> sommer: thats corect
[20:50] <sommer> Nokio: hrmmm... can you try adding another index?
[20:50] <Nokio> sure can
[20:53] <Nokio> sommer: nop does nothing. I am using virtual machine i could revert then and start the process over again and see where it leads what do you think ?!
[20:54] <sommer> Nokio: did you get any new errors?
[20:54] <Nokio> nothing on server 2 and on server 1 same error
[20:54] <sommer> Nokio: there's an error somewhere, but you may need to start slapd in debug mode to see it
[20:55] <sommer> Nokio: you can also try the instructions here: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html
[20:55] <sommer> Nokio: they're for jaunty, but should work with intrepid fine
[20:58] <Nokio> sommer: okay. I will try to revert both machine to a plai ubuntu and try to work it out step by step again and be extra careful :p wont be long
[21:12] <johnny5> Hey guys, just setting up a dev server for myself. Should I be putting my web files in /var/www, or in my /~
[21:12] <johnny5> I like the idea of putting them in /var/www, but will apache have access to them, will my user have access to them?
[21:14] <TheFuzzball> Hello, I have installed LAMP on an Ubuntu desktop, how do I configure Ubuntu not to load GDM on boot?
[21:16] <Ahlee> johnny5: that's pretty arbitrary
[21:17] <Ahlee> it's really 'whatever you prefer'
[21:17] <johnny5> oh, ok. I tried setting up a sub directory for a vhost within /var/www and i had to sudo? Is that going to cause problems for apache or php writing files within those directories?
[21:18] <johnny5> Do I need to give the webserver ownership of all directories
[21:18] <Ahlee> php will have problems writing in unless the directory is owned, yes
[21:19] <Ahlee> I recently attempted to build an ubuntu mirror locally of 8.04, amd64.  It looks good, sources.list is able to utilize it without an issue, however my netboot installation (preeseed fed off a different server via http, pointing mirror/http/hostname to the IP of the server with the mirror) reports "the specified ubuntu archive mirror is either not available, or does not have a valid Release file on it".  I can see from the debug logs of the intaller
[21:19] <genii> You could use userdir module for apache and just put it then in ~/public_html directory
[21:20] <Ahlee> so i guess my question is, is the Release file something that's not grabbed on a 'standard' run of apt-mirror, or how do I generate it
[21:22] <Nokio> sommer: here is what i did so far on both server http://pastebin.com/d387e730. Now i guess im ready to give the replication part a try again then add an index and see if it get replicated what do you think ?!
[21:27] <johnny5> Ahlee: owned by www-data coect?
[21:28] <Ahlee> johnny5: you'll want to set it to whatever user you're running Apache as, which I believe is www-data, yes (don't forget you'll also need to ensure proper ownership of the directory,a nd ensure you're not doing anything funky with running php as another user
[21:33] <sommer> Nokio: you might want to add the entryUUID index before configuring replication, and see if that helps
[21:34] <Nokio> sommer: okay i will add the entryUUID on both server and then configure the replication. And then create a user to test this out
[21:36] <wattz> hello all, wondering if anyone has ever compiled apache2 and mod_python on ubuntu 8.10
[21:36] <OscarTG> any one know much about setting up serial devices from the command line.
[21:36] <wattz> im getting a dso compile error, but linking to apxs with --with-apxs=/path/to/apxs
[21:42] <Ahlee> OscarTG: not a lot, but I've done some work with serial
[21:42] <Ahlee> what's up?
[21:46] <OscarTG> so i am trying to find out what ports are availabe on an IRQ channel.
[21:46] <OscarTG> i have a 4 port serial card and i want to change ttyS0 to map to a port on the card
[21:48] <OscarTG> so far the system mapped 3 of the 4 and used ttyS0 for the onboard serial
[21:48] <Ahlee> that's above my level of knowledge
[21:48] <OscarTG> dang
[21:49] <OscarTG> mine as well :)
[21:49] <Ahlee> probably somewhere in modprobe.d
[21:49] <OscarTG> i will check.  thanks
[21:50] <OscarTG> i wish there was a way i could clear the current config and have the system reconfigure
[21:55] <Nokio> sommer: ok so now i just did this http://pastebin.com/d5ae60405 I am pretty sure that on the next part that i miss something
[21:59] <Nokio> sommer: if i follow the doc the next step would be this http://pastebin.com/d10faf779 but i am not quite sure that this is corect
[22:01] <sommer> Nokio: right that will configure the main db to sync
[22:01] <sommer> Nokio: why do you think that is bad?
[22:01] <Nokio> well i mean this line      olcRootDN: cn=admin,dc=example,dc=edu
[22:01] <Nokio> should i change it to olcRootDN: cn=admin,dc=master,dc=slave
[22:02] <sommer> Nokio: right change it to your admin user dn
[22:02] <Nokio> ok because it was not in the doc so i was wondering :p
[22:02] <DoyleChris> hello
[22:03] <DoyleChris> could somebody help me with samba and webmin
[22:03] <Nokio> same for changing provider=ldap://ldap01.example.com to match my ip address so i was just wondering if the doc was right or i was right to make the change :p
[22:03] <sommer> Nokio: there is a sub-bullet point: "And adjust credentials=secret to match your admin password"
[22:03] <Nokio> sommer: did that too
[22:03] <sommer> Nokio: under the cn=config ldif though
[22:04] <sommer> Nokio: that could be more prominent
[22:04] <sommer> Nokio: yep you are right to make the change
[22:05] <Nokio> the  credentials=secret is already under both the olcSyncRepl you think we need to add it under the cn=config too ?!
[22:05] <DoyleChris> trying to setup a share between ubuntu server with samba and webmin to a vista machine and im not able to save files to the server from vista
[22:06] <sommer> Nokio: yep, one is for the cn=admin,cn=config user, and the other is the cn=admin,dc=example,dc=com (or whatever your site is)... they are different entries
[22:07] <sommer> Nokio: another way to think of it is that there is an admin user for each database
[22:08] <Nokio> sommer : okay so it would look like this ?! http://pastebin.com/m2ac3ee2a
[22:09] <DoyleChris> anybody
[22:10] <OscarTG> instead of setting up a share i would just set up an FTP server on the ubuntu box and the connect over that
[22:10] <OscarTG> personally
[22:10] <OscarTG> doesnt really solve your issue but it is another way
[22:11] <Ahlee> DoyleChris: ensure your samba share has read/write to the directory you're exporting
[22:11] <DoyleChris> how do i check
[22:11] <DoyleChris> can i do it though webmin
[22:11] <Ahlee> vi /etc/samba/smb.conf
[22:11] <Ahlee> find yoru mount
[22:11] <Ahlee> i've never used webmin
[22:12] <Ahlee> path=/iscsi/shared
[22:12] <Ahlee> read only = no
[22:12] <OscarTG> ya again.  the few times i have looked at webmin just set up the ftp server
[22:12] <OscarTG> much quicker
[22:12] <Nokio> sommer: well they are closing the office :p i will need to leave but ill be back on this tomorow and try to get this working out!! thanks again for all your time and hlep
[22:19] <DoyleChris> would somebody in the regular ubuntu channel know something
[22:20] <OscarTG> you can always ask
[22:21] <DoyleChris> writable yes
[22:23] <DoyleChris> there telling me to some here
[22:24] <OscarTG> DoyleChris:  the message you got on the ubuntu server was from a bot and not a person
[22:24] <DoyleChris> great\
[22:24] <OscarTG> why do you have to use a share?
[22:25] <OscarTG> actually what are you tryin gto accomplish
[22:33] <johnny5> If I am trying to create a samba share at /var/www do i need to give samba group access to the /var/www directory?
[22:33] <johnny5> And how?
[22:39] <reid> lol I'm so angry, I just tried to install FreeNX so I could rdesktop into my naked fluxbox install
[22:40] <reid> apparently it depends on like.. all of ubuntu-desktop
[22:40] <reid> lol
[22:41] <reid> is there any way to get rid of all this worthless gnome stuff?
[23:04] <johnny5> Ok, I'm in the www-data group. my /var/www is owned by www-data. Shouldn't I be able to write to that directory?
[23:10] <ropetin> Depends, what are the attributes set on it?
[23:10] <johnny5> hmmm, i guess i don't have group write?
[23:11] <johnny5> but i thought if a group owned a directory/file they could just use it
[23:13] <johnny5> man, this sucks
[23:13] <johnny5> i just want to get started
[23:13] <ropetin> You're in the group that owns it?
[23:14] <johnny5> yes
[23:15] <johnny5> when i type 'groups' i see www-data
[23:16] <ropetin> And the group-write attribute is set?
[23:16] <johnny5> probably not, that's what I don't know how to do
[23:17] <ropetin> If you do an 'ls -l' it will show you the attributes assigned to each folder/file listed
[23:17] <ropetin> What does that give you?
[23:18] <johnny5> drwxr-s---
[23:18] <johnny5> for the /var/www directory
[23:18] <johnny5> and root www-data as the user and group
[23:19] <ropetin> So that shows that group is only read, not write
[23:19] <johnny5> ok, so how would i make that directory group write, as well, any new directories created under it
[23:20] <ropetin> chmod -R g+w /var/www
[23:21] <ropetin> I believe :)
[23:21] <johnny5> will that stick for all newly created ones
[23:23] <ropetin> That's a good question, I'm afraid I don't know the answer.  Logically yes, but I can't say for certain without doing it
[23:28] <BCMM> is it possible to configure ubuntu server to cleanly shutdown when the power button is pressed?
[23:53] <mac9416_2> Hypothetical situation: What if I had a computer in room A with a microphone plugged into the mic jack. How could I stream that audio across a web page (home network) so that I can listen to it from rooms B, C, and D?
[23:56] <BCMM> how can i automatically run a command each startup?
[23:58] <mac9416_2> BCMM, system > preferences > sessions (I'm told)
[23:59] <mac9416_2> BCMM, click add, then in command: type the command
[23:59] <BCMM> i have no X, but i've found a tutorial on writing init scripts
[23:59] <BCMM> i just thought there might be a thing like gentoo has already set to execute custom commands at the end of the boot sequence


[00:13]  * daker will have an oral examination for his thesis tomorrow :D
[00:14] <dutchie> good luck
[00:14] <daker> thanks
[00:23] <daker> night all
[00:23] <daker> o/
[07:45] <thorwil> good morning!
[07:57] <godbyk> Hey, thorwil!
[07:58] <zkriesse> hey thorwil and godbyk
[07:58] <godbyk> thorwil: I updated the German PDF. Could you glance through it and check to see that the ß and umlauts appear as they should? http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/builds/ubuntu-manual-de-screen.pdf
[07:58]  * thorwil gets the file
[07:59] <godbyk> If everything looks okay, I'll update the lulu.com edition and the PDFs on our website.
[07:59] <godbyk> (Hopefully no one's been linking directly to the lulu.com url as I think it'll be invalid when I upload a new PDF.)
[08:00] <thorwil> revision number 909? techno party!
[08:01]  * godbyk queues up the music!
[08:02] <thorwil> godbyk: page 9, "Linuxdistributionen", the "distributionen" part is italic?!
[08:04] <thorwil> godbyk: on the same page there's a "(GUIS)". thanks to the small caps, one can't tell if that's a small s. it should be. easy way out would be to not use plural
[08:04] <godbyk> thorwil: Even weird!  Only the 'distribution' bit is italicized.  The code looks like this: Linux\emph{distribution}en
[08:04] <thorwil> awesome
[08:04] <godbyk> Yeah.
[08:06] <godbyk> Regarding the GUIs bug: It is a lowercase 's' because the German translation doesn't have a plural={...} bit for the GUI glossary entry.
[08:06] <thorwil> page 9, 2 times "ähnlichkeiten" should be "Ähnlichkeiten"
[08:09] <godbyk> Looks like the original was ä instead of Ä.  (I wanted to make sure I didn't accidentally convert \"A to ä when I converted from LaTeX to Unicode.)
[08:09] <thorwil> saw a Ubu-ntu hyphenation. that's ... unfortunate
[08:10] <godbyk> I should add that to the German hyphenation list.
[08:10] <godbyk> What kind of weird hyphenation rules do you Germans use that would allow LaTeX to think that 'ntu' could stand on its own line?
[08:10] <godbyk> Weirdos!
[08:11] <thorwil> lots of cases where we could use italics instead of quotation marks
[08:12] <thorwil> godbyk: afaik we used to have rather complicated hyphenation rules, but now it's do it where ever you want and never change spelling before/after hyphen
[08:12] <godbyk> Okay, this is ominous.. searching the German translations on Launchpad shows that it was originally Ähnlichkeiten and not ähnlichkeiten.
[08:12] <godbyk> I think po4a is munging things big time.
[08:13] <thorwil> while getting rid of the special cases is great, hyphens cutting in syllables is weird to read
[08:13] <godbyk> thorwil: You guys used to have cool rules about adding an extra k or g when splitting after a k or g and other fun things.  (Or something like that.)
[08:13] <thorwil> yeah
[08:14] <godbyk> Wait, you guys are allowed to split words at places other than between syllables?
[08:14] <godbyk> That's crazy.
[08:16] <godbyk> Okay, das ist nicht gut.
[08:16] <thorwil> heh
[08:16] <godbyk> There are other Äs that are now ä.
[08:19] <thorwil> godbyk: well, there are cases where it's not obvious what the syllables are and proper hyphenation could depend on the base of a word. more flexibility there i great. no german with any feeling for the language would hyphenate such that the resulting parts are something you can't speak easily. so no Ubu-ntu!
[08:19] <thorwil> godbyk: i guess same for Ü and Ö, then
[08:20] <thorwil> too bad we have no properly rounded corners on the screenshots
[08:20] <godbyk> thorwil: quite possibly.  I don't see any Ö in the .tex file at the moment. that doesn't bode well.
[08:20] <thorwil> flan: ever looked into applying an alpha mask to the screenshots to take care of the rounded corners?
[08:21] <thorwil> godbyk: is there no german editor supposed to be doing QA?
[08:23] <godbyk> Well, there is a German translation editor.  That's who was emailing the list all the time asking if it was ready to be published yet.
[08:24] <thorwil> the umlaut capitalization issue stands out, as our writers seem to do capitalization very well. after writing more english than german, i got rather insecure there. love the english simplicity
[08:25] <godbyk> yeah, the capitalized nouns are a bit much.
[08:26] <godbyk> reminds me of Victorian-era writing where you just capitalize the Important Words as you see fit.
[08:26] <thorwil> the ß is fine, saw no stray slashes so far
[08:27] <godbyk> I just ran po4a and had it generate a new .tex file.  the umlauts, ß, and capitalization have been preserved. so something else changed them.
[08:27]  * godbyk is investigating.
[08:27] <godbyk> that's good, at least.
[08:29] <thorwil> godbyk: page 28, margin note:  "InKapitel 4: Hardware", missing space after "In"
[08:30] <godbyk> Looking at the bzr logs, it appears that the German translation was screwed up when Daniel (the translation editor) added it to the repository.
[08:30] <godbyk> So something that he did during his editing process appears to have mangled the accents and capitalization.
[08:31] <thorwil> godbyk: page 29: "um in ein Verzeichnis mit Beispieldokumenten, -Tabellen und -Multimediadateien zu gelangen.". line wrap happens after "-" and before "Tabellen", but it absolutely must be "-Tabellen"
[08:31] <godbyk> the InKapitel bug is in the original translation.  (Code is "In\chaplink{...}...")
[08:32] <thorwil> godbyk: page 32, "Bearbeiten ‣ Ausschneiden." breaks out of the box
[08:32] <godbyk> that's something LaTeX did, it seems.  we can tell LaTeX to keep the -Tabellen together as one word, though (so it doesn't get wrapped post-hyphen).
[08:33] <godbyk> wow. that one breaks out quite a bit!
[08:33] <godbyk> well, crap.
[08:33] <godbyk> there's a lot more wrong than the ß.  :-(
[08:34] <godbyk> I was hoping it'd be a quick find/replace, recompile, upload, done.
[08:34] <thorwil> godbyk: page 33: "kön̈nen", note n with dots, this ain't some scandinavian language! ;)
[08:34] <godbyk> unfortunately, there's a LOT wrong with this thing.
[08:34] <thorwil> godbyk: and i'm only skimming
[08:34] <godbyk> thorwil: I know!
[08:34] <godbyk> I don't speak German and from my skimming there's a bunch of things I'd want to fix!
[08:35] <godbyk> Since I don't speak all the languages we're translating to, I have to rely on the translation editors to be perfectionists about spelling, grammar, typography, etc.
[08:35] <godbyk> Unfortunately, I doubt that most people are as picky as we are.
[08:35] <thorwil> godbyk: page 34: wrong quotation marks on “Erscheinungsbild”
[08:36] <godbyk> (There's a bunch of things I want to fix in the original English edition for that matter. I just have to find time to do it.)
[08:36] <thorwil> godbyk: page 37, qu.-marks again: “Hilfstechnologie Einstellungen”
[08:37] <godbyk> whoops.. the quotes are my bad. :)
[08:37] <godbyk> all the window captions/titles will have the ``English quotes''.
[08:40] <thorwil> godbyk: page 48, what's with the strange parenthesis on e.g. ⟨Verbindungsname⟩?
[08:41] <godbyk> Ah, the idea is that it's a placeholder/variable.
[08:41] <thorwil> i stop now at about page 50. takes too long
[08:41] <godbyk> I hear ya.
[08:42] <godbyk> I guess I'm going to have to bounce this back to Daniel and have him fix the capitalization of the umlauts.
[08:43] <godbyk> Something he did before uploading the .tex file converted all the unicode characters to latex-style commands (e.g., from ä to \"a).
[08:44] <thorwil> ok
[08:48] <godbyk> thorwil: Are there other major (and consistent) flaws that need to be fixed in the manual besides the capital umlauted letters?
[08:49] <thorwil> godbyk: the quotation marks
[08:49] <godbyk> okay.
[08:49] <godbyk> I'm writing an email to Daniel to have him fix the umlauts. I'll fix the quotation marks myself.
[08:50] <godbyk> I'll have him check that all the glossary entries have proper plurals, too.
[10:10] <nisshh> godbyk: if yuor there, the membership meeting is in 50 minutes
[10:10] <nisshh> thorwil: ^^^ if you can make it :)
[10:11] <thorwil> nisshh: lunch time here, but i'll be around a bit later, likely
[10:12] <nisshh> thorwil: cool
[11:40] <humphreybc> nisshh: you're applying for membership?
[11:40] <humphreybc> slash, you did
[11:40]  * humphreybc just looked at the time
[11:40] <nisshh> humphreybc: yea, but Vantrax is sick, and not many board members have turned up, so its looking like postponed
[11:40] <thorwil> humphreybc: membership board meeting would have been now, but no quorum
[11:40] <nisshh> :(
[11:41] <humphreybc> ok
[11:42] <dutchie> ooh, a humphreybc
[11:42] <dutchie> haven't seen any of those for a while
[11:43] <humphreybc> lol
[11:44] <nisshh> humphreybc: yep, meeting postponed :(
[11:44] <zkriesse> lol
[12:27] <thorwil> http://whatthefuckismysocialmediastrategy.com/
[12:28] <humphreybc> hahaha
[12:54] <thorwil> great: "After 15 minutes of joking around about how OMG! guys are rich, befriended Steve Jobs and like Windows 8 (and GNOME-related trolling) we decided to continue..."
[14:46] <flan> thorwil, yeah. I've actually written a provision into the server's logic (for when I actually have time to start comitting again) that will allow a number of "cleanup scripts" to be executed to transform an image while it's being screened for approval. Drawing borders and masking the corners are part of one such script that'll be included by default.
[14:46] <thorwil> flan: excellent
[15:05] <flan> I hope to have homish Internet by next week.
[15:05] <flan> Early next week.
[15:06] <flan> Life without Internet makes me sad.
[16:09] <thorwil> flan: don't worry, life with internet can be quite sad, too


[00:00] <cyberanger> I thought natty was too new for a default
[01:47] <techMiles> wrst: am around now
[01:52] <wrst> techMiles you trying out Quassel?
[01:53] <techMiles> sorta. :)
[01:53] <techMiles> am using both atm.
[01:53] <wrst> the client and the remote core?
[01:53] <techMiles> hah. oops. accidentally joined #ubuntu-tn-us .
[01:53] <techMiles> wrst: nah. the mono build for winderz
[01:53] <techMiles> atm
[01:54] <techMiles> brb
[01:54] <wrst> thats ok but the client/core is awesome
[01:56] <cyberanger1> Techmiles: that'd do it
[01:58] <wrst> wb cyberanger
[02:03] <cyberanger1> Wrst: corrupt connectbot (nothing to fear on your end, isolated incedent) didn't realize until after I left
[02:03] <cyberanger1> Cyberanger is also here, idly logging my misfortune
[02:04] <cyberanger1> Or not? Idk, I don't see him here
[02:05] <cyberanger1> Hrm
[02:06] <cyberanger1> I'll have to see what happened
[02:09] <wrst> well glad you are here cyberanger
[02:14] <cyberanger> This is not my week
[02:15] <cyberanger> Added a 2nd static ip, issue relates to that
[02:15] <wrst> ahh cool on the second ip
[02:16] <cyberanger> Know what to fix, unlike normal, I can't, connectbot issue nuked my key, have to fix that first
[02:17] <techMiles> connectbot?
[02:17] <cyberanger> I'm running a tier 2 opennic dns server, figured it'd help if a dos occured to have a backup
[02:18] <cyberanger> Techmiles: android ssh client
[02:18] <techMiles> Ahhh
[02:22] <cyberanger> Very good, I just did something odd
[02:26] <wrst> techmiles im connected using connectbot now
[02:26] <techMiles> lol
[02:36] <cyberanger> Like I said in different words, "my fault"
[02:50] <techMiles> anybody know anything 'bout eggdrops in here?
[02:55] <cyberanger> G2G
[02:55] <cyberanger> Techmiles hng on
[02:55] <techMiles> np
[02:56] <cyberanger> I'm gonna disconnect, cell cvg
[03:06] <Juzzy> I know * about eggdrops
[03:07] <Juzzy> I used to crack botnets in a previous life
[03:09] <techMiles> lol
[03:09] <techMiles> :)
[03:09] <techMiles> TEACH
[03:09] <Juzzy> It's not an easy art
[03:10] <Juzzy> you need to know asm, tcl hooks, gdb, encryption basics, etc
[03:22] <techMiles> how about how to have them use mysql db's? as opposed to flatfile db's ?
[03:59] <techMiles312> so, wrst aside from the client-to-core connection and being able to connect anywhere, what advantages does quassel present over using, say, xchat with a bnc?
[03:59] <wrst> that's about it as a client i think it is good but not anything special
[04:00] <techMiles312> http://quassel-irc.org/node/104   what is the top-half of this messages/channel screen?
[04:00] <techMiles312> it notes channels, etc..
[04:00] <techMiles312> but multiple ones
[04:01] <wrst> yeah i never used that always confused me :)
[04:01] <techMiles312> do you know wht it is? lol
[04:05] <wrst> I think so you can monitor two.channels at once
[04:07] <techMiles> two+ channels?'
[04:07] <techMiles> an interesting concept..
[04:08] <techMiles> hmm
[04:10] <techMiles> wb cyberanger
[04:13] <cyberanger> hey techMiles
[05:00] <cyberanger> I think I've got everything fixed
[05:00] <cyberanger> except I still don't have my 2nd IP
[05:01] <cyberanger> but I'll work on that when I have a whole day to screw with it
[05:40] <cyberanger> techMiles: what was your question earier
[05:40] <techMiles> if anyone knew anything about eggdrops
[05:40] <cyberanger> ah, very very little
[05:41] <techMiles> crap. I might have to cobble a way to compile this xchat plugin.
[20:12] <wrst> hello
[21:18] <cyberanger> ¡Hola Señor wrst !
[21:22] <electricus> hey guys
[21:23] <cyberanger> ¡Hola Señor electricus !
[21:24] <electricus> hello cyberanger
[21:24] <cyberanger> hows things
[21:24] <electricus> i'm freezing in my office
[21:25] <electricus> i'm in a finished basement with basically no conditioning
[21:25] <electricus> so it's a whopp'n 65 degrees at best. a tad chilly for me
[21:25] <electricus> my fingers especially
[21:26] <electricus> space heater is at full tilt
[21:31] <cyberanger> yikes
[21:31] <electricus> is ubuntu going to a rolling release model?
[21:32] <cyberanger> they haven't yet
[21:32] <cyberanger> there are reports, rumours
[21:32] <cyberanger> so on
[21:32] <electricus> well..there's been talk about it and some articles have seemingly hinted at it.. but I didn't think so.. although i wish they would
[21:33] <electricus> it sucks having to blast your whole os and set up everthing 'again'
[21:33] <cyberanger> well, I've just learned that until it happens, it's hard to believe
[21:33] <electricus> the distro version upgrade doesn't work either
[21:34] <cyberanger> yeah, I don't have that issue, but my build is more like debian testing than ubuntu
[21:34] <cyberanger> ubuntu alternate installer, cli install
[21:34] <cyberanger> apt-get a few things
[21:34] <electricus> how did you do that?
[21:34] <cyberanger> openbox, wicd, so on
[21:35] <electricus> ah.. you can use the non-graphical install and get more options etc?
[21:36] <electricus> like the good ol' non-graphical installer
[21:36] <electricus> for debian
[21:36] <cyberanger> grab the ubuntu alternate installer, hit f4, it's on normal, go to cli
[21:36] <cyberanger> yeah, however debian's allows for even finer control
[21:36] <electricus> ahh.
[21:37] <electricus> so why do you like to run ubuntu that way rather than just use debian?
[21:37] <cyberanger> I do run debian
[21:37] <electricus> lol.. well you know what i mean
[21:37] <cyberanger> I just also run backtrack linux crunchbang and others
[21:38] <electricus> why don't you just run 'raw' debian instead of ubuntu
[21:38] <cyberanger> but ubuntu and variants are what I help others with
[21:38] <cyberanger> from install to wvdial
[21:38] <cyberanger> or gnome-ppp
[21:38] <electricus> i see.
[21:39] <electricus> i also run win-vista, ubuntu, backtrack, and arch on my laptop
[21:39] <cyberanger> unlike a drug dealer, I don't mind using my product, I show others it works
[21:39] <electricus> ya..totally
[21:39] <cyberanger> and that helps get others on linux
[21:40] <electricus> each os has it's advantages/dis
[21:41] <electricus> what i really do like about ubuntu is 'it just works' 98% of the time :-)
[21:41] <cyberanger> yeah, but the biggest disadvantage is being clueless, it magnifies any other issue
[21:41] <electricus> but their forums/wiki aren't really that great..
[21:41] <cyberanger> so for the 2% of the time, I know ubuntu and debian
[21:42] <cyberanger> but I don't necessarlly have to hand hold ubuntu, as much as debian
[21:43] <techMiles> that's true.
[21:43] <electricus> ya.. they put a lot of work into making ubuntu 'just work' for most people which is why it's so great.. and you don't have to take forever compiling a bunch of stuff or configuring conf files and all that..
[21:43] <cyberanger> yeah, that's kinda flawed, when linuxjournal.com has more info on your distro, than your distro's own support
[21:43] <techMiles> cyberanger: I'd love to learn more about your finder-tuned setup so I could apply it whenever I redo this desktop once my finals are over.
[21:43] <techMiles> I'd like to be able to use the WM that crunchbang uses.
[21:44] <electricus> pretty soon i'm going to wipe out my ubuntu 10.4 partition and go to 10.10
[21:44] <techMiles> and be able to start without all the extra stuff-- install only what I want. I don't play any of the games ubuntu comes with, etc. but if you uninstall enough of them, it wants to remove the whole GUI
[21:44] <techMiles> well, GNOME.
[21:44] <cyberanger> electricus: why not a system upgrade
[21:44] <techMiles> so it revers to the Debian default.
[21:44] <electricus> that's where it gets tricky
[21:45] <cyberanger> techMiles: well, I start with no gui, ground up, not tear down
[21:45] <electricus> ya.. i'd like to install ubuntu without any of the social networking stuff or ubuntu one and such
[21:45] <techMiles> cyberanger: that's what I did.
[21:45] <electricus> just give me linux and gnome
[21:45] <techMiles> but when you do apt-get install ubuntu-desktop......
[21:46] <techMiles> it doesn't give you JUST the bare essentials.
[21:46] <cyberanger> electricus: that is doable, just a bit of a pain
[21:46] <techMiles> crunchbang uses... er.. fluxbox?
[21:46] <cyberanger> techMiles: same
[21:46] <cyberanger> crunchbang was just openbox
[21:46] <techMiles> ahhh openbox
[21:46] <techMiles> I knew it was a ????box
[21:46] <cyberanger> corenomial has gone into xfce too now
[21:47] <electricus> i've used light desktops and such.. but honestly by the time you run a browser and other apps.. you are using just as much ram .. just run a real desktop like gnome :-)
[21:47] <techMiles> cyberanger: I've heard a bit about arch lately... would it be stable enough (for someone with basic->intermediate knowledge of linux, bash, etc) for me to use as a more main OS, and remain reliable? as in, for school. :P
[21:48] <techMiles> also, this has become a regular Q&A session. lol..
[21:48] <electricus> everybody has at least 2gb or ram these days..
[21:48] <techMiles> cyberanger: you really ought to blog. :)
[21:48] <techMiles> electricus: for me, it isn't necessarily saving RAM, I have 6GB.. what I like about light desktops is that from bootup/login they're at a usable state faster.
[21:49] <electricus> techMiles: I run arch and it's ok.. i only have intermediate knowledge of linux
[21:49] <cyberanger> electricus: careful, I'm running this on a netbook, where the stock HDD is a solid state 2GB
[21:49] <electricus> :-)
[21:49] <cyberanger> and others use machines from 95, becuase the cost of 2005 is too high
[21:49] <cyberanger> or 2010 for that matter
[21:50] <electricus> arch is one of those systems that takes several weeks to really get it where you like it.. but after that.. you just pacman -Syu and it's actually quite stable..
[21:50] <electricus> requires tinkering though
[21:50] <cyberanger> techMiles: I do alot without launching xorg, even quicker
[21:51] <electricus> there are times when I wonder if it's not a trade off.... arch+tinker.tinker.tinker.tinker.daily.tinker = ubuntu+reinstall every 6 months
[21:51] <cyberanger> mutt, lynx, vlc (ncurses interface) and presto
[21:51] <cyberanger> electricus: debian testing?
[21:51] <techMiles> electricus: idk why you feel you have to reinstall... I've done fine without reinstalling.
[21:52] <electricus> how many releases have you done the dist-upgrade techMiles?
[21:52] <cyberanger> there are times of pain, grub to grub2, but techMiles is right, it can go smooth
[21:52] <techMiles> 3-4, iirc.
[21:52] <cyberanger> electricus: dist-upgrade, as in sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[21:53] <electricus> ok.. seems like they've got that nailed down pretty good now
[21:53] <electricus> yes cyberanger
[21:53] <electricus> isn't that how you upgrade your ubuntu to the next release?
[21:53] <cyberanger> no
[21:54] <electricus> ah..well it's been a long time
[21:54] <cyberanger> well, not that alone
[21:54] <electricus> last time i tried to do it was like in 8.04 or something
[21:54] <cyberanger> (that's just a gentler version of upgrade, more error checking)
[21:54] <techMiles> I typically use... hmm.
[21:54] <techMiles> what is it dist-upgrade -d ?
[21:55] <techMiles> where it upgrades to the beta/alpha release. :P
[21:55] <techMiles> the unsafe one. :)
[21:55] <cyberanger> -d, --download-only
[21:56] <cyberanger> do-release-upgrade --proposed
[21:56] <cyberanger> that's how it's supposed to be done
[21:56] <cyberanger> for a cli system
[21:56] <electricus> sorry guys..the boss has summoned me.. chat later :-)
[21:56] <techMiles> ttyl electricus
[21:56] <cyberanger> see ya electricus
[21:56] <techMiles> cyberanger: it is probably the latter. I just only remembered the -d, it seems.
[21:57] <cyberanger> (I've done some things outside that, update lucid then immedately switch all my sources.list entries to maverick and repeat)
[21:58] <techMiles> I think that's essentially what the last one I managed to do did.
[21:58] <techMiles> I'd love to start from the alternate download and work up.
[21:58] <techMiles> but i haven't had the time to do it just yet
[21:58] <techMiles> tried before school started. lol
[21:59] <cyberanger> the alternate installer just does a normal install, unless you hit f4 and select cli
[21:59] <techMiles> oh. the minimal installer
[21:59] <cyberanger> from there, when it's done, you've got a cli installer
[22:00] <techMiles> sorry. am doing cisco work atm so it's all  mixed about
[22:00] <cyberanger> well, same fore the minimal too
[22:00] <cyberanger> the only difference between minimal and alternate is the alternate is bigger, but can be done offline
[22:00] <techMiles> what might you recommend for someoen wanting to dig further into linux distros, bash, etc, and be able to customize, while having a stable enough system that will remain stable.
[22:00] <cyberanger> the minimal is smaller, but must be online, to fetch packages online
[22:01] <cyberanger> well, that's an oxymoron in a way
[22:01] <cyberanger> the systems I did the most learning with were not stable
[22:01] <techMiles> yeah.
[22:01] <techMiles> sadly that's how it goes.
[22:02] <techMiles> but I don't have an alternative system to use for experimentation
[22:02] <cyberanger> becuase I messed with it to learn
[22:02] <techMiles> and if I have schoolk work, don't really have the availability of screwing something up and not being able to get the stuff done.
[22:02]  * cyberanger points to VirtualBox
[22:03] <techMiles> ahh, yeah.
[22:03] <techMiles> I have that on here, actually.
[22:03] <techMiles> wheeee
[22:03] <cyberanger> you got 6GB of ram, grab a 64 bit alternate installer on break, do a cli install, get a small install going, enough for what you need, then add Virtualbox
[22:04] <cyberanger> leaves alot of CPU, RAM and HDD storage for Virtualbox left
[22:04] <techMiles> yeah.
[22:05] <techMiles> but yeah am doing CISCO notes for my exam tonight. lol
[22:06] <cyberanger> sudo apt-get install xorg openbox obconf obmenu nitrogen tint2 terminator alsa-utils vlc firefox xcompmgr thunderbird gedit
[22:06] <cyberanger> wicd-*
[22:06] <cyberanger> that should cover basic tools
[22:07] <cyberanger> openbox obconf obmenu, openbox and tools
[22:07] <cyberanger> wicd, a network manager
[22:07] <cyberanger> terminator, terminal
[22:07] <cyberanger> alsa-utils, sound and tools for it
[22:08] <cyberanger> xorg, graphical system, required by openbox
[22:08] <cyberanger> tint2 the tray #! uses
[22:09] <cyberanger> nitrogen, the wallpaper utility #! uses
[22:09] <cyberanger> techMiles: I think you know the rest
[22:09] <techMiles>  yeah.
[22:09] <techMiles> xcompmgr ?
[22:09] <techMiles> I know all others but that.
[22:09] <cyberanger> oh, when you used terminator, did you have it transperent
[22:10] <cyberanger> (other tools like it too
[22:11] <cyberanger> it just handled some of the higer end graphics, but even a netbook, it's not resource happy)
[22:12] <techMiles> cool
[22:12] <techMiles> well damn
[22:13] <techMiles> I can't get ahold of my instructor to see if he's cancelling class or not
[22:13] <techMiles> due to weather
[22:13] <techMiles> the campus is ~1hr's drive away, so idk what the weather is up there, or how bad he considers it to be.
[22:15] <nairanvac> Hey, guys.  I've got an audio issue.  I was using Banshee the other day, and it froze up.  I restarted my PC, and when I did, my sound was screwed.  I only get static when sound plays.
[22:18] <cyberanger> what version of ubuntu
[22:18] <cyberanger> nairanvac: ^
[22:19] <nairanvac> Oh, sorry
[22:19] <nairanvac> Hold on, lemme check again
[22:19] <nairanvac> I'm using an older version on Eeebuntu
[22:20] <nairanvac> I'm thinkin 9.10, but I'm about to confirm that
[22:21] <nairanvac> Nope, 9.04
[22:21] <cyberanger> oh, Eeebuntu hrm
[22:21] <cyberanger> hang on then, gotta brush up on their setup
[22:21] <nairanvac> Cool, thanks a lot
[22:22] <nairanvac> The Eeebuntu version is 3.0
[22:24] <cyberanger> kinda the headache of unoffical builds, they have so many options, can do so many different things (I like them myself, don't get me wrong)
[22:25] <nairanvac> Yeah, I feel you
[22:25] <nairanvac> I love this build
[22:29] <cyberanger> Eeebuntu 3.0 Standard
[22:29] <cyberanger> NBR
[22:29] <cyberanger> Base
[22:29] <cyberanger> LXDE (beta)
[22:30] <cyberanger> which one, by chance do you know
[22:30] <nairanvac> Base, I believe
[22:31] <cyberanger> what have you tried so far
[22:31] <nairanvac> Oh, wait
[22:31] <nairanvac> No
[22:31] <nairanvac> It's standard
[22:31] <nairanvac> I haven't known anything to try
[22:32] <cyberanger> ok
[22:36] <cyberanger> have you checked their support too
[22:36] <nairanvac> Eeebuntu's
[22:37] <nairanvac> ?
[22:37] <cyberanger> I just see all the tweakes, mixing ubuntu 9.04 with debian testing, I'm somewhat concerned of saying anything
[22:37] <cyberanger> unless you've Tried Eeebuntu first
[22:37] <nairanvac> Nah, I haven't yet
[22:37] <cyberanger> since they might have seen this issue before
[22:37] <nairanvac> Alright, I'll check with the,
[22:37] <nairanvac> them*
[22:38] <cyberanger> I'd be glad to help
[22:38] <nairanvac> It's just so strange how it happened, though
[22:38] <cyberanger> but I allways help with the best option first
[22:38] <nairanvac> Banshee froze up my whole PC, then when i restarted, I just get weird static
[22:38] <cyberanger> and the best option in this case is support from the developers
[22:39] <nairanvac> Alrighty.  Thanks a lot.  I'll hop on over to their IRC channel real quick. :)
[22:39] <cyberanger> the reason it's that odd is exactly why I'm holding back my ideas for the moment
[22:39] <cyberanger> if they can't help, let us know, we'll try something different
[22:40] <cyberanger> your quite welcome
[22:41] <nairanvac> Okay, apparently there's not an IRC channel for it
[22:41] <nairanvac> That sucks
[22:42] <nairanvac> Doing some Googling around, and it seems Eeebuntu has turned into a new project, Aurora
[22:42] <nairanvac> Maybe I'll just back up my home folder and upgrade
[22:45] <chris4585> anyone going to try this? https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bbfammmagchhaohncbhghoohcfoeckdi#
[22:45] <cyberanger> nairanvac: well, they had to, Canonical has been enforcing their trademark a bit more
[22:45] <cyberanger> lately
[22:46] <nairanvac> Yeah, makes sense.  The new version looks pretty slick, anyways
[22:46] <nairanvac> chris4585: That looks interesting.  Maybe I'll give Chrome a shot again and try it
[22:46] <cyberanger> it's more likely a new name
[22:46] <cyberanger> nairanvac: nope, and I'd avoid it myself
[22:47] <cyberanger> seems like a privacy risk
[22:47] <nairanvac> Using any Google product is a privacy risk, I'd think
[22:47] <chris4585> lol I thought everyone used chrome
[22:47] <nairanvac> My FF extensions have kept me loyal
[23:25] <wrst> hello nairanvac !
[23:26] <nairanvac> Sup?
[23:26] <wrst> not much you doing ok, i see you have been chatting with cyberanger  and chris4585, chris4585 is ok but watch out for cyberanger  :)
[23:26] <nairanvac> Haha, good to know.  He seems like a trouble maker.  ;)
[23:27] <wrst> oh yes if you only knew ;)
[23:28] <cyberanger> wrst: you know, anyone using alternate builds is trouble for ubuntu ;-)
[23:28] <wrst> yes i am not familiar wih eeubuntu or eeebuntu or what was it
[23:29] <wrst> did netbook edition take its place?
[23:29] <wrst> me thinks there are almost as many ubuntu versions as their were vista versions :\
[23:29] <wrst> hmmm
[23:29]  * wrst
[23:29] <wrst> :)
[23:29] <wrst> virtual box works in natty!
[23:29] <wrst> finally
[23:30] <cyberanger> eeebuntu wasn't offical
[23:31] <cyberanger> netbook remix became netbook edition
[23:31] <wrst> ahh ok
[23:31] <wrst> thanks for clearing that up so i will forget it again soon!
[23:33] <wrst> cyberanger: unity is getting better
[23:34] <cyberanger> soon huh
[23:35]  * cyberanger wonders how wrst defines soon, guess I'll let him sleep on it
[23:35] <wrst> now is soon from then cyberanger  :)