[00:52] <kaushal> hi
[00:52] <kaushal> I am kaushal would like to become a member of Ubuntu
[00:53] <kaushal> I have achieved migrating windows users to ubuntu users in my organization
[00:53] <kaushal> I work for webaroo
[00:54] <kaushal> what are the rules which i need to follow ?
[00:56] <persia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[01:29] <kaushal> persia: Thanks
[04:17] <BasicXP> hello! it this the channel the ubuntu regional board will hold it's meeting today?
[04:25] <persia> BasicXP: yes, but not for about 6 and a half hours.
[04:35] <nhandler> persia: Why isn't it on the Fridge?
[04:37] <persia> nhandler: Dunno.  It used to be there.
[04:39] <ajmitch> no doubt there'll need to be some appointments to that membership board soonish
[04:42] <persia> Indeed.  The period of nominations is ending soon, and the nominees will be forwarded to the CC.  The precise timing of the end of the nomination period depends on my TODO list, but it's likely to be within the next ~8 hours.
[04:43] <ajmitch> ah, I thought it had closed last week
[04:44] <persia> It probably officially closed last week, but I haven't forwarded them yet :)
[04:44]  * persia will soonish.
[04:44] <ajmitch> right :)
[04:44] <ajmitch> I hope you have enough nominations for a stable team
[04:44]  * persia too
[04:52] <persia> Hrm.  Seems we didn't get as many as we'd have liked :(  Anyway, nominations really closed now.
[04:52]  * ajmitch didn't really want to step forward for that
[04:54] <persia> Not many did, unfortunately.
[10:58]  * persia peers about
[11:02] <persia> lifeless: amachu: elky: TheMuso: freeflying: hey!    I remember the departure message, and left a hint (a bit too late) about the time, in case logs were checked.
[11:07] <persia> Ah, will be half an hour late, according to the wiki.
[11:07] <persia> Maybe we'll have quorum then :)
[11:20] <BasicXP> Hello! Excuse me for being late
[11:21] <BasicXP> Is the meeting going now?
[11:23] <persia> We were waiting for you :)
[11:23]  * persia goes off to hunt missing board members
[11:23] <persia> freeflying: Hey.  You about?
[11:24] <BasicXP> Thank you, persia!
[11:25] <persia> Several folks seem to be offline, unfortunately.
[11:25] <persia> amachu!
[11:25] <persia> Hey!
[11:25] <amachu> persia: Hi
[11:26] <amachu> persia: hope, there wasn't a candiate for membership..
[11:26] <persia> There is, but BasicXP was also a bit late, so we're all good.
[11:26] <elky> lifeless is in the process of trading countries, so I think we can excuse him. we only need to find one more though
[11:26] <persia> We have four.
[11:26] <elky> we do?
[11:26] <persia> TheMuso has joined.
[11:27] <elky> ah. so he did.
[11:27] <BasicXP> School made it impossible to attend the meeting from the beginning :(
[11:27] <amachu> BasicXP ok!
[11:27] <persia> BasicXP: No worries.  We weren't all here.
[11:27] <elky> that's ok. pretend the lateness never happened. Introduce yourself :)
[11:27] <persia> BasicXP: So, why don't you introduce yourself
[11:27] <BasicXP> My name is Roman
[11:27] <BasicXP> I was contributing to Launchpad since 2008
[11:28] <BasicXP> Translating different projects
[11:28] <BasicXP> Later, I was accepted into Russian LoCo and began my work there
[11:28] <BasicXP> Doing most of the work in summer
[11:28] <BasicXP> That's in short the "biography" of myself.
[11:29] <BasicXP> Is there abything I should tell more about?
[11:29] <BasicXP> * anything
[11:30] <persia> BasicXP: What sort of work have you been doing in the LoCo?
[11:31] <BasicXP> Mostly translation of the operating system, tried to organize the Moscow LoCo. Also partly responsible for bug tracking and Wikipedia editing.
[11:32] <amachu> BasicXP: Wikipedia editing?
[11:32] <BasicXP> Yeah, that includes grammar correction and translation.
[11:32] <persia> http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Linux ?
[11:32] <BasicXP> I'm meaning both wiki.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.ru (Russian WiKi)
[11:33] <BasicXP> Mostly the second one
[11:33] <elky> Ah, wiki not wikipedia.
[11:33] <BasicXP> And I did make a change or two to the Wikipedia's page
[11:33] <BasicXP> Oh sorry. "Wikipedia" - my fault
[11:34] <elky> That's ok, we figured it out.
[11:36] <persia> BasicXP: Did you bring anyone to cheer for you today?
[11:36] <BasicXP> Not now, but if you give me a minute or two I'll try to reach one of my colleagues
[11:37] <persia> Sure :)
[11:39] <BasicXP> Waiting for his answer...
[11:41] <BasicXP> While waiting, may I ask you a question?
[11:41] <persia> Sure.
[11:42] <BasicXP> How active should I be to be an Ubuntu Member? I mean what activities should I've been doing before to qualify?
[11:43] <elky> You can be active anywhere directly within the ubuntu community. We like to see several months of activity, not just a few weeks. The idea is "significant and sustained"
[11:44] <persia> What you do doesn't matter.  That said, you should have been active within the Ubuntu community in a visible way, that your peers see as significant, and have been doing this in a sustained manner.  There's no firm timeframe, but most successful applicants have at least two months, and often six months or more of active contributions to demonstrate this.
[11:45] <BasicXP> Okay. Is the activity I had enough to qualify?
[11:46] <persia> BasicXP: That's what we're looking at :)
[11:46] <amachu_> there should have been continous activity (properly tracked to make things easier for us) any where, for Ubuntu
[11:47] <amachu_> got off for a while due to power shut down..
[11:47] <BasicXP> Well just the point, that I had most activity in summer, makes me concerned.
[11:47] <persia> BasicXP: So one thing that's confusing me is that you seem to be fairly active in translations, but LP is only telling me about the last couple week's work (and you joined the translations team nearly a year ago, so I presume there's more).  Any idea where I can find it?
[11:48] <BasicXP> Most of the work was done from april 2008. I was told that history gets cleared each amount of time  and karma gets lower
[11:48] <BasicXP> Because i remembered to have a screenshot where i had it around 3000 or so
[11:49] <persia> Oh lovely.  That makes it very easy for us.
[11:49]  * persia takes a note to file a bug
[11:50] <persia> BasicXP: So, the work on help.ubuntu.ru looks like a fair bit, your translations history was annoyingly scrubbed.  Your answers/bugs history is of mixed value (not so much successful triage or questions considered answered).
[11:50] <amachu> BasicXP: Is there a place where we could find a link on your contributions to Russian Ubuntu Wiki..
[11:50] <elky> BasicXP, is it possible to see that screenshot?
[11:51] <BasicXP> I'm afraid I deleted that one a long time ago :(
[11:51] <persia> Speaking personally, I'd like to see some testimonials on your wiki page from other folks to confirm you've done lots, and they consider you an important part of Ubuntu.
[11:51] <amachu> BasicXP: I am looking forward to know, how many help pages you would have written etc.,
[11:51] <BasicXP> amachu: I'm mostly translating pages, not writing them
[11:52]  * persia definitely sees evidence of activity in team meetings
[11:52] <amachu> BasicXP: fine.. how many of them have you done roughly etc.,
[11:53] <BasicXP> umm... i didn't do much translation on wiki maybe about just 5, i did most work in launchpad
[11:54] <amachu> BasicXP: the rosetta translations are your main contributions. am I right?
[11:54] <BasicXP> yes
[11:54] <amachu> BasicXP: has anyone turned out now to support you?
[11:54] <BasicXP> Yes, here is Agafonov1. He may probably support me.
[11:55] <Agafonov1> Hi!
[11:55] <Agafonov1> I'm from Russian LoCo
[11:55] <amachu> TheMuso: listening?
[11:55] <TheMuso> amachu: yes
[11:56] <amachu> TheMuso: ok..
[11:57] <TheMuso> Hrm we are almost out of time.
[11:58] <amachu> Agafonov1: are you continuing?
[11:58] <Agafonov1> BasicXP: helped us mostly during meetings to shape our internal tasks and processes, he help to work with translation bugs a lot accepting them via email from our testing community.
[11:58] <Agafonov1> As far as I know he made some transltations in rosetta
[12:00] <Agafonov1> currently we are talking about further activity
[12:00] <amachu> Agafonov1: how continuos were they & would you cheer BasicXP for a membership?
[12:00] <Agafonov1> because he wants to help more
[12:01] <amachu> persia: TheMuso: elky: Shall we take up voting?
[12:01] <persia> Sure.
[12:01] <TheMuso> Sure.
[12:01] <elky> yep
[12:02] <Agafonov1> err, i'm too slow on writing :(
[12:02] <Agafonov1> yes
[12:02] <elky> Agafonov1, you have more to say?
[12:03] <Agafonov1> go on, thanks
[12:04]  * persia is pointed at https://translations.launchpad.net/~basicxp/+activity by the helpful folks in #launchpad
[12:04] <Agafonov1> mmm, you may continue I meant :)
[12:05] <elky> persia, ok wow. thanks
[12:05] <elky> persia, and why on earth do they hide that?
[12:05] <persia> Saves DB query time, I suspect.
[12:06] <elky> persia, i can understand not for default view, but... a link is too much to ask?
[12:06] <persia> It's behind the "See all" link at https://translations.launchpad.net/people/+me
[12:06] <elky> ah
[12:06] <persia> We just didn't see the link because it's on the lower right.
[12:07] <elky> Oh, So it is.
[12:08] <TheMuso> Ok so shall we vote?
[12:08] <elky> Ok, ready to vote now?
[12:08]  * persia is still ready
[12:08] <elky> +1 from me
[12:09] <persia> +1 from me: good work with Loco, long history of translations
[12:09] <amachu> +1 from me too.. Plea update the wiki page to make understanding easier..
[12:09] <amachu> Agafonov1: you can also add you testimonials there..
[12:10] <TheMuso> +1 from me.
[12:10] <Agafonov1> amachu: ok
[12:10] <elky> unanimous!
[12:10] <persia> BasicXP: Congratulations!
[12:10] <amachu> great! Welcome BasicXP !
[12:10] <BasicXP> Thank you very much!
[12:10] <Agafonov1> Thanks!
[12:10] <BasicXP> I really appreciate this.
[12:11] <elky> We appreciate your help.
[12:11] <BasicXP> Your welcome!
[12:11] <persia> Sorry it took so long: please do update your wiki page to make it easier for folks to understand what you do.
[12:12] <BasicXP> okay
[12:12] <amachu> persia: though this is not in Agenda, I wasn't following closely the thread by Daniel Holbach on our extension..
[12:12] <amachu> saw you reply to that on nominations, what were they?
[12:12] <persia> We only had four, we need more.
[12:13] <amachu> four in the sense? I need to look at archives to understand that really...
[12:15] <elky> amachu, are you going to run?
[12:16] <amachu> elky: nope.. but I wish the resposibility of Secretary to be taken up by some one else..
[12:17] <amachu> elky: but.. since I didn't follow that thread closely, I wanted to ask..
[12:17] <BasicXP> May I leave now or there is something I should say/do first?
[12:17] <elky> BasicXP, you're free to go.
[12:17] <amachu> BasicXP: you can.. nothing pending from your end, that to keep up your good work...
[12:18] <BasicXP> Thank you very much once more! I'll keep improving. Good bye!
[12:18] <elky> But do make sure your wiki is improved before sunday when the next UWN will go out. Otherwise people won't know what you got approved for ;)
[12:18] <BasicXP> Okay sure, elky. Is there any place I can look up the IRC log?
[12:18] <elky> !logs
[12:19] <elky> the first link ^^
[12:19] <BasicXP> Thank you!
[12:19]  * BasicXP is editing his Wiki page now.
[12:21] <amachu> persia: elky: TheMuso: Are we discussing something else, or shall we take it up in the list?
[12:21] <persia> Do we have anything else to discuss?
[12:21] <BasicXP> Just how should I edit the wiki page?
[12:21] <persia> Anyone who wants to remain on the board ought nominate themselves, or convince someone else to nominate them.
[12:21] <TheMuso> Afaik the discussion was about nominations. I don't intend to run for board membership again either.
[12:22] <elky> I'm willing to run, I just kept forgetting to nominate myself
[12:22] <amachu> elky: me too..
[12:22] <BasicXP> Should I add another block like "Ubuntu Membership" or add information to the existing ones?
[12:23] <amachu> but I want some one else to take up the Secretary role :-)
[12:23] <amachu> TheMuso: Oh!
[12:24] <elky> BasicXP, look at other people's profile wikis on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania and fix your own up to be more like theirs.
[12:24] <BasicXP> Thanks elky!
[12:25] <elky> amachu, we'll sort out the secretary thing later.
[12:25] <amachu> elky: sure
[12:26] <amachu> if there isn't any thing else, we shall quit
[12:26] <TheMuso> nothing from me
[12:28] <amachu> ok.. thank you every one for participating..
[12:28] <elky> amachu, you're nominated now :P
[12:28] <amachu> bye bye..
[12:28] <amachu> elky: and you nominated?
[12:29] <elky> amachu, i figured that's how you could thank me :)
[12:29] <persia> heh :)
[12:29]  * persia cancels a mail mid-composition
[12:29] <amachu> elky: thank you sooooooooooo much! ;-)
[12:29] <elky> Heh
[12:29] <amachu> bye all!
[12:29] <BasicXP> And one more question, may I?
[12:30] <elky> BasicXP, sure.
[12:30] <BasicXP> Is there an amount of time when I should renew my membership?
[12:30] <amachu> two years
[12:30] <elky> BasicXP, you'll get a reminder from launchpad when it happens
[12:30] <BasicXP> Okay, so it will be around april 2012, right?
[12:31] <elky> yes
[12:31] <BasicXP> Okay got it. Thank you!
[12:37] <BasicXP> Will this be OK except for the testimonials: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicXP ?
[12:40] <BasicXP> elky: Is this OK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicXP ?
[12:41] <persia> BasicXP: Extra points for finding a way to link to your wiki work, but yes.
[12:41] <elky> BasicXP,  you could list the main applications you've translated, some links to wiki pages you translated. The problem is when people have to go find all this info. Be more verbose with your descriptions :)
[12:41] <persia> You may also want to link to your work in Answers.
[12:42] <BasicXP> Okay, let's see...
[12:58] <BasicXP> I put all the general kinks I knew, no exact ones on wikipedia
[12:58] <BasicXP> * wiki
[12:59] <BasicXP> * links *
[13:00] <persia> Thanks.
[13:01] <BasicXP> Well I'm going now. Good bye!
[13:01] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[13:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 07:01. The chair is NCommander.
[13:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[13:01] <freeflying> persia: sorry, just back
[13:01] <persia> NCommander: It's 12:00 UTC.  Didn't you mean to start at 13:00?
[13:01] <elky> freeflying, that's ok, we managed
[13:01] <persia> freeflying: Too late now :)
[13:01]  * asac waves
[13:02] <freeflying> elky: persia thx :)
[13:02] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100427
[13:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100427
[13:03] <NCommander> who's here?
[13:03] <asac> me!
[13:03]  * persia points at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mobile/2010-April/002726.html extra hard to justify the answer "nobody"
[13:03] <persia> Y'all are starting too early.
[13:03] <asac> ogra: plars: dyfet: GrueMaster: JamieBen1ett: ping
[13:03] <JamieBen1ett> o/
[13:03] <dyfet> pong
[13:03] <asac> great ;)
[13:04] <persia> So hang out quietly for an hour, and there will be a meeting.
[13:04] <JamieBen1ett> heh
[13:05] <asac> persia: ?
[13:05] <asac> ok
[13:05] <NCommander> wait, I'm an hour off?
[13:05] <asac> sorry for the mix up ;)
[13:05] <persia> asac: It's 12:00 UTC.  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mobile/2010-April/002726.html says 13:00 UTC.
[13:05] <asac> NCommander: yeah. we both are
[13:05] <asac> NCommander: so #endmeeting and lets meet again ;)
[13:05]  * NCommander blinks
[13:05] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[13:05] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 07:05.
[13:05] <persia> RIght then.
[13:08] <plars> hi
[13:08] <plars> yeah, not time yet :)
[14:00] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[14:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 08:00. The chair is NCommander.
[14:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[14:00] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100427
[14:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100427
[14:00]  * GrueMaster snorts
[14:00]  * JamieBennett is here
[14:01]  * NCommander beats people alive
[14:01] <dyfet> is alive
[14:01] <NCommander> [topic] dyfet to check update-manager sanity checks for ARM upgrades.
[14:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  dyfet to check update-manager sanity checks for ARM upgrades.
[14:01] <NCommander> er
[14:01] <NCommander> [topic] Action Item Reviews
[14:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action Item Reviews
[14:01] <NCommander> [topic] dyfet to check update-manager sanity checks for ARM upgrades.
[14:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  dyfet to check update-manager sanity checks for ARM upgrades.
[14:01] <ogra> roll call first ?
[14:02] <plars> here
[14:02] <NCommander> ok, whos' here?
[14:02] <ogra> would be nice to ping everyone :)
[14:02] <asac> now i am here ;)
[14:02] <dyfet> Well, I was able to do a full upgrade from karmic to lucid on arm, no surprises happened
[14:02] <NCommander> everyone: ping
[14:02]  * NCommander runs
[14:02] <ogra> asac, again eh ? :)
[14:02] <asac> heh
[14:02] <asac> yeah
[14:02] <ogra> *giggle*
[14:02]  * cooloney waves to everyone
[14:02] <persia> dyfet: Using update-manager?
[14:02] <asac> dyfet: that wasnt the idea i think
[14:02] <NCommander> GrueMaster: JamieBennett, ericm|ubuntu ping?
[14:02] <dyfet> yes
[14:03] <ericm|ubuntu> yep
[14:03]  * GrueMaster already snorted
[14:03] <asac> dyfet: the idea was afaik to see if the checks for armv5/v6 are in place
[14:03] <JamieBennett> NCommander: I've already said I'm here ^ ;)
[14:03] <dyfet> that I did not see...
[14:03] <persia> asac: Oh, so one would fail-to-upgrade if it wasn't ARMv7a?
[14:03] <ogra> dyfet, you should *not* be able to do an upgrade in case you have non v7 HW
[14:04] <asac> persia: yes. thats the idea. refuse to upgrade rather than fail imo
[14:04] <persia> dyfet: Do you have non v7 hardware on which you can test this?
[14:04] <dyfet> no
[14:04] <asac> persia: code sanity check was the idea
[14:04] <ogra> indeed your upgrade succeeds if you do it on v7 HW
[14:04] <dyfet> but I can test in an old qemu...
[14:04] <asac> dyfet: ^^
[14:04] <ogra> the point was to do it on something karmic ran on but lucid wont run on
[14:04] <asac> at least as a start ... real live confirm: even better
[14:04] <ogra> i.e. the older doves
[14:05] <asac> yes, thats right. but first step was to idenficy if those checks exist in code and if they are theoretically right :)
[14:05] <ogra> and i'm very sure we dont have the check in place the question was what do we need to change in u-m
[14:05] <ogra> so instead of an upgrade you should justz have looked at the code
[14:05] <asac> so i guess we can still SRU this ...even if its a bit late ;)
[14:05] <dyfet> ogra: ah ;)
[14:05] <ogra> asac, no idea, ask mvo
[14:05] <asac> NCommander: carry forward
[14:05] <ogra> i'm sure he'll love us
[14:05] <ogra> :)
[14:05] <NCommander> [topic] GrueMaster to determine what bugs that are good candidates to be fixed for lucid release
[14:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  GrueMaster to determine what bugs that are good candidates to be fixed for lucid release
[14:06] <ogra> GrueMaster, thanks for the list !
[14:06] <GrueMaster> Email sent.  Some bugs fixed.
[14:06] <asac> NCommander: give dyfet the action to do verify that code has checks and that they are proper
[14:06] <ogra> the heavy ones aere fixed
[14:06] <asac> etc
[14:06] <mvo> ogra, asac: sru is no problem, but you will need to help with the verification, I don't have anything like a arm
[14:06] <asac> mvo: right.
[14:07] <NCommander> [actopnm] dyfet to verify ARMv7 upgrade checks
[14:07] <NCommander> wow
[14:07] <NCommander> [action] dyfet to verify ARMv7 upgrade checks
[14:07] <MootBot> ACTION received:  dyfet to verify ARMv7 upgrade checks
[14:07] <asac> thx
[14:07]  * NCommander is really running blahhhhhhhhhhh
[14:08] <asac> ok more actions ? ;)
[14:08] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander, GrueMaster, plars, ogra to test firefox on new images
[14:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander, GrueMaster, plars, ogra to test firefox on new images
[14:08] <GrueMaster> tested ok.
[14:09] <plars> do we have the new one?
[14:09] <JamieBennett> scroll bar issues all resolved now?
[14:09] <GrueMaster> Well, asac's ppa release.
[14:10] <plars> GrueMaster: it fixed the scroll bar issue?
[14:10] <GrueMaster> yes
[14:10] <asac> it did ... at least from me ;)
[14:10] <plars> great
[14:10] <asac> for me
[14:10] <asac> please verify anyway on real image
[14:10] <asac> if its still in there we need to go back to zero ;)
[14:10] <GrueMaster> Did it get pushed into main?
[14:10] <asac> [ACTION] NCommander, plars, ogra to test firefox on new images
[14:10] <asac> GrueMaster: yes.
[14:11] <asac> GrueMaster: should be all in normal archive
[14:11]  * ogra grumbles
[14:11] <GrueMaster> Then it will get tested as part of the release testing.
[14:11] <asac> heh
[14:11] <asac> ok
[14:11] <asac> arent you doing release testing already?
[14:11] <ogra> oh, i can test that right now ... one sec
[14:11] <asac> thought we shoud start testing before we cant fix anything anymore ;)
[14:11] <GrueMaster> I just woke up.
[14:11] <asac> heh
[14:11] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to give debdiff to {ogra|asac} for fixing libgphoto FTBFS
[14:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to give debdiff to {ogra|asac} for fixing libgphoto FTBFS
[14:12]  * persia suspects we already can't fix anything anymore, based on traffic in -testing
[14:12] <NCommander> [ACTION] NCommander, plars, ogra to test firefox on new image
[14:12] <NCommander> done
[14:12] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander, plars, ogra to test firefox on new image
[14:12] <asac> NCommander: that action was done iirc?
[14:12] <asac> gphoto?
[14:12] <NCommander> asac: gphoto should be out of FTBFS and fixed
[14:12] <ogra> uploaded and fixed
[14:12] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to work with plars, GrueMaster and ericm on dove suspend/resume
[14:12] <asac> yep
[14:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to work with plars, GrueMaster and ericm on dove suspend/resume
[14:12] <NCommander> Dove suspend/resume works on X0 as far as I know
[14:12] <plars> seems to be fixed in the latest release... I had one hiccup with it, but putting my uboot to current levels seemed to clear it up
[14:13] <ogra> asac, i see no scrollbars on yahoo.de
[14:13] <GrueMaster> Tested suspend/resume on dove both manually and with a script that repeats.  Both worked ok.  Only issue (known) is suspending with an SD card inserted fails.
[14:13] <ogra> seems fine
[14:14] <NCommander> [topic] asac/ogra to fix -omap driver to check for /dev/fb0 too if /dev/fb isnt avail
[14:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  asac/ogra to fix -omap driver to check for /dev/fb0 too if /dev/fb isnt avail
[14:14] <GrueMaster> The SD card issue is not arch specific.
[14:14] <ogra> NCommander, fixed
[14:14] <NCommander> [topic] persia and NCommander to remove evolution from ubuntu-netbook images
[14:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  persia and NCommander to remove evolution from ubuntu-netbook images
[14:14] <ericm|ubuntu> GrueMaster, and also we don't have any appropriate fix in upstream so far
[14:15] <GrueMaster> ericm|ubuntu: correct.
[14:15] <asac> failed
[14:15] <persia> I figured out how to do that, but the release team pointed out that if this had been a release-critical bug, it would have been fixed long ago, and didn't accept the change.
[14:15] <JamieBennett> :(
[14:15] <ogra> yeah, was to late
[14:15] <ogra> and SRU doesnt work here
[14:15] <GrueMaster> Part of the problem is we didn't have the webmail client until RC.
[14:15] <persia> ogra: And thanks to you for helping the defence before the release team.
[14:16] <asac> GrueMaster: right.
[14:16] <ogra> heh, didnt help much though
[14:16] <asac> problem was that stevenk did this reseeding etc. as a side job
[14:16] <asac> so it slipped through
[14:16] <ogra> yeah, lets blame him !
[14:16] <asac> of course
[14:16] <GrueMaster> works for me.  :P
[14:16] <ogra> :)
[14:16] <asac> i am surely not to blame :-P
[14:16]  * persia really thinks folks should just do their own seed changes rather than poking other folks to do them.
[14:17] <asac> persia: he had the meta seed responsibility this cycle
[14:17] <NCommander> persia: considering that its a pain to change the seeds then get something to merge them, sometimes its a LOT easier to get someone else to do it
[14:17] <ogra> persia, pfft, seeeds we can fix them after RC
[14:17] <asac> besides from that he didnt have any stuff ;) ...
[14:17] <persia> Yes, my point is that assigning someone responsibility like that is an invitation to process failure.
[14:17] <persia> NCommander: pain is relative.
[14:17] <asac> i dont buy this ... i think it was just an oversight
[14:17] <ogra> well, its over now ... lets stop whining
[14:17] <asac> he was clearly aware that it was a replacement
[14:18] <asac> yep
[14:18] <GrueMaster> persia: He was the designated seedling for mobile since I started.
[14:18] <asac> so all fine ... lets start moving
[14:18] <asac> also changing seeds requires meta upload etc.
[14:18] <asac> he was the best to do that
[14:18] <asac> as he did all the meta/seed changes etc ;)
[14:18] <asac> anyway. i take the blame ... just so its official
[14:18] <NCommander> [topic] asac and JamieBennett to take email client category discussion offline and report back
[14:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  asac and JamieBennett to take email client category discussion offline and report back
[14:19] <asac> NCommander: scratch that
[14:19] <asac> no need to discuss further ;)
[14:19] <JamieBennett> nothing happened here but I think its personal preference
[14:19] <NCommander> [topic] Current Items
[14:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Current Items
[14:19] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html
[14:19] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html
[14:19] <ogra> geez !
[14:19] <ogra> we'Re deep red
[14:20] <ogra> (does anyone care at that point of release though)
[14:20] <persia> Yes.
[14:20]  * ogra suspects we'll flush it anyway this week
[14:20] <persia> The todo stuff is mostly documentation, and needs doing badly
[14:20] <NCommander> ogra: we should always care
[14:21] <plars> our line did much better than last cycle
[14:21] <ogra> definately
[14:21] <ogra> cheers to asac for great leadership !
[14:21] <GrueMaster> We're good at doing documentation badly.  :P
[14:21] <persia> GrueMaster: :p
[14:22] <asac> good
[14:22] <asac> ogra: there are a few itesm open
[14:22] <asac> (thanks ogra)
[14:22] <ogra> :)
[14:22] <asac> we definitly got a lot done
[14:22] <asac> could have been more green ;)
[14:23] <ogra> foundations-lucid-dropping-sun-java6 ... why is that on *our* list at all ?
[14:23] <asac> but well. some specs were just off so its ok
[14:23] <asac> ogra: persia owns it ;)? (thats out of my head)
[14:23] <ogra> heh
[14:23] <ogra> so its all persias fault that we'Re red !
[14:23] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm)
[14:23] <JamieBennett> asac has a work item on that
[14:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm)
[14:23] <JamieBennett> ogra: [asac] make plugin-finder aware of sun-java-plugin: TODO
[14:23] <asac> JamieBennett: i have? /me checks
[14:24] <ogra> JamieBennett, aha
[14:24] <asac> JamieBennett: ah yeah. thats on my list for this week
[14:24] <asac> e.g. plugin finder DB run ;)
[14:24] <cooloney> status of fsl-imx51 kernel:
[14:24] <cooloney> For the regulator issue bug ##567157, i cherry picked 4 patches from Freescale public git tree and added one more fixing patch.
[14:24] <persia> asac: You have the plugin task: did you sort that?
[14:24] <cooloney> The testing kernel works fine, patches were sent out for furthur review now.
[14:25] <asac> persia: read above (e.g. plugin finder DB run ;))
[14:25] <cooloney> For FEC driver ifdown issue bug #559065, i reworked on the patch which is v5 now. need more testing, please help me since my babbage board broke.
[14:25] <cooloney> still don't have chance to work on suspend/resume regression and usb issue,
[14:26] <GrueMaster> cooloney: Please update the bug when you make a new test release.  It's the easiest way for us to communicate, since we are on different timezones.
[14:26] <cooloney> cause my board dead
[14:26] <cooloney> GrueMaster: yeah, i updated already, i think.
[14:27] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, plars)
[14:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Status (GrueMaster, plars)
[14:28] <ericm|ubuntu> for dove, no more update except that I guess suspend/resume and hibernation/resume are all OK now
[14:28] <plars> we have new isos on the tracker, but they are respinning it seems
[14:28] <plars> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntuarm/all
[14:28] <ogra> omap needs SRU love for OTG and friends
[14:28] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntuarm/all
[14:28] <ogra> 1.5-2h ETA for new images
[14:28] <plars> also, looks like we got some good last minute fixes in for some of the netbook-launcher-efl bugs
[14:29] <ogra> yeah
[14:29] <plars> so things like windows not having focus when they come up (very annoying) work now
[14:29] <ogra> omap netbook looks really fine ... i just finished one install here
[14:29] <plars> thanks to asac and whoever else made that happen
[14:29] <ogra> respinning doesnt mean we cant test btw
[14:29] <plars> ogra: right
[14:29] <ogra> the respin is for a plymouth bug thats a corner cases afaik
[14:29] <ogra> *case
[14:30] <asac> plars: mterry did the cherry pick fix
[14:30] <persia> Indeed, but we need to *also* test post-respin images.
[14:30] <asac> i investigated too, but then he had a fix :)
[14:30] <ogra> yeah
[14:30] <plars> ogra: in fact, omap needs to be tested even though it's not on the tracker... too late to bother adding it now, and at the time, images were in too much churn to think about adding it
[14:30] <ogra> plars, i'm caring, dont worry
[14:30] <plars> ogra: as will I
[14:30] <persia> Note though: "no arch-specific problems that turn up there are going to result in new uploads..." from a release manager, so you'd have to find something fairly critical to get *another* respin.
[14:30] <asac> actually it seems that efl doesnt do any timestamping at all on windows, so enlightment desktop must be a bloody mess focus wise ;)
[14:30] <ogra> indeed, if anyone has spare cycles for omap, feel free :)
[14:31] <persia> asac: Works nice with focus-follows-mouse :)
[14:31] <ogra> persia, bug 390677 could be one
[14:31] <asac> persia: yeah. now that you say it, I see why its like that :)
[14:32] <persia> ogra: Dunno: that's an *old* bug.
[14:32] <ogra> persia, just showed up on pittis and my installs
[14:34] <persia> Hrm.  And probably more so at 1024x600, but it's *not* arch-specific, which makes it more likely to land.
[14:34] <ogra> persia, omap has 1280x720 and i see it too
[14:34] <ogra> i thik its a translation isse since i dont see it in english installs
[14:35] <ogra> (and the font has the same size and there are no extra lines in _de)
[14:36] <NCommander> anything else on this topic
[14:37] <persia> My point was about arch-specific stuff.  Non-arch-specific critical stuff is obviously open for consideration (depending on tester time, etc.)
[14:37] <asac> anyone take the action to talk to ubiquity falks?
[14:37] <asac> folks?
[14:37]  * ogra just commented on the bug
[14:37] <asac> to see what is planned to make this more suitable for small screens?
[14:37] <ogra> and i guess cjwatson and ev are getting bugmail for it
[14:37] <persia> Indeed.
[14:37] <asac> actually i thought we had such an effort in the past ... might just need a mental refresh
[14:37] <ogra> i really dont think its a small screen issue
[14:38] <ogra> there are not more lines in the german translated screen i dont see how it could move offscreen
[14:38] <asac> hmm. not sure
[14:39] <asac> do you have a screen with german?
[14:39] <ogra> no, pitti has added one to the bug
[14:39] <ogra> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/45702650/ubiquity-hide-encryptedhome.png
[14:39] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/45702650/ubiquity-hide-encryptedhome.png
[14:39] <ogra> the last line is missing there
[14:39] <asac> ogra: sure that the free text fields are not just one line in english?
[14:39] <asac> like "... machen."
[14:39] <ogra> hmm, i dont have the linewraps in omap
[14:40] <asac> maybe that breaks line in gereman?
[14:40] <ogra> yeah it des in his screenshot
[14:40] <ogra> it doesnt in the only-ubiquity mode omap uses though
[14:40] <ogra> the window appears to be bigger
[14:40] <asac> ogra: but oyu still have a cut of line there?
[14:40] <persia> It is, kinda, because of a lack of decoration
[14:40] <ogra> asac, yep
[14:41] <ogra> there is decoration
[14:41] <ogra> but no desktop around it
[14:41] <ogra> i.e. no panels etc
[14:42] <asac> ok
[14:42] <ogra> NCommander, move
[14:42] <asac> lets wait on input from the installer gurus
[14:42] <asac> definitly not armel only ;)
[14:42] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet)
[14:42] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet)
[14:42] <JamieBennett> Nothing much to report there
[14:42] <ogra> 130 FTBFS
[14:42] <ogra> in universe
[14:43] <ogra> there seem to have been a mass give-back on the 18th
[14:43] <ogra> but didnt clean up much apparently
[14:43] <persia> Almost nothing, given the previous mass-giveback on the 14th (lamont and I failed to communicate)
[14:43] <ogra> heh
[14:43] <ogra> main is clean though
[14:43] <persia> We cleared a few misc things later, but only a few, and a good chunk of that was all-arch FTBFS stuff.
[14:43] <asac> ok so plenty of stuff for maverick to fix in universe ;)
[14:44] <asac> hopefully we can tap the community better now that we have omap images
[14:44] <ogra> yeah
[14:44] <ogra> ++
[14:44] <persia> Oh, yeah.  Some stuff isn't even Thumb2-safe yet.
[14:44] <asac> in univeres? yes.
[14:44] <persia> Right.
[14:44] <asac> gauche is an easy fix if it wasnt such a retarted pain to change the build system
[14:44] <ogra> we should convince canonical to send out 50 beagles to the community :)
[14:45] <asac> they had the great idea to remove all makefile.am files
[14:45] <asac> from source
[14:45] <asac> not all ... but most :(
[14:45] <asac> not sure what folks are thinking sometimes
[14:45] <NCommander> asac: WTF ....
[14:45] <NCommander> ow
[14:45] <asac> i had seen that a few year ago elsewhere
[14:45] <persia> haskell is really the only universe code-generator that got ported.  fpc *should* be ported, except for some confusion between those who have done the port and those who can upload the results.
[14:45] <asac> really hoped it was a one timer :(
[14:46] <ogra> just moan at upstream and be done ?
[14:46] <ogra> let them fix it :)
[14:46] <asac> the build system? or fpc?
[14:46] <asac> yes. so we should be better communicating
[14:46] <ogra> the build system
[14:47] <asac> we could also file upstream bugs for the porting issues and point them to our website and instructiouns how to use qemu etc.
[14:47] <persia> asac: fpc is done: just waits for someone to upload the known working binaries.
[14:47] <asac> ok
[14:47] <asac> for thumb2 in unvierse i mean
[14:48] <plars> we've certainly come a long way from the 800+ftbfs that used to exist
[14:48] <plars> http://people.canonical.com/~plars/dashboard.html
[14:48] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~plars/dashboard.html
[14:48] <persia> I believe haskell and fpc to be Thumb2 safe.  I'm unsure about stuff like eiffel, gdc, parrot, etc.
[14:48] <plars> has a small graph that is neat
[14:49] <ogra> heh, i thought it was a distortion first :)
[14:49] <JamieBennett> heh
[14:49] <asac> do we have a ftbfs graph somewhere?
[14:49] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)
[14:49] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)
[14:49] <persia> plars: How do you calculate uninstallable packages?  I can find *heaps* of them.
[14:49] <asac> maybe the ubuntuwire folks genearte something like that?
[14:50] <persia> plars: Seems to be 373 in armel for me today.
[14:50] <plars> persia: could be it's looking in the wrong place
[14:50] <ogra> asac, http://people.canonical.com/~plars/dashboard.html has it behind "build failures"
[14:50] <plars> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing-ports/lucid_probs.html lists nothing for armel
[14:50] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing-ports/lucid_probs.html lists nothing for armel
[14:50] <persia> plars: That only checks main
[14:50] <asac> ogra: thats not a whole cycle graph i would love ;)
[14:51] <ogra> asac, indeed
[14:51] <asac> of course guess its not available ... so we dont have it ;)
[14:51] <ogra> right, we dont
[14:51] <asac> just wondered if ubuntuwire gnerates something like that already
[14:51] <persia> Nope.
[14:51] <asac> kk
[14:51] <persia> Could though, if someone has code ...
[14:51] <plars> persia: if you have a better location to pull that information from, I can replace it
[14:51] <asac> too late for get the lucid picture ;)
[14:51] <persia> Yep.
[14:51] <ogra> we could draw one :)
[14:52] <asac> yeah. so overall we are in pretty good shape imo
[14:52] <asac> well done everyone
[14:52] <ogra> NCommander, move ?
[14:53] <persia> plars: You'd have to run the generator against the whole archive.  I tend to count with `apt-cache unmet -i | grep ^Package | wc -l`
[14:53] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)
[14:53] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)
[14:53] <asac> NCommander: you repeat youreself ;)
[14:53]  * NCommander is lagging increadibly badly
[14:54] <ogra> *twiddle* *twiddle*
[14:54] <asac> NCommander: move forward ;)
[14:54]  * NCommander beats asac
[14:54] <asac> hehe
[14:54] <ogra> *twiddle* *twiddle*
[14:54] <NCommander> [topic] Any Other Business
[14:54] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business
[14:54] <ogra> you skipped one :P
[14:54]  * ogra cleans the coffee from his kdb
[14:55] <ogra> *kbd
[14:55] <persia> So, the images are being respun, and we should have fresh ones soon.  They are expected to work for all three flavours for imx51 and dove, but there's other issues with USB and omap.
[14:55] <ogra> image staus is fine overall
[14:55] <ogra> persia, ??
[14:55] <ogra> whats the issue ?
[14:55] <ogra> USB works fine here
[14:56] <NCommander> asac told me to move forward
[14:56] <ogra> NCommander, you skipped image status
[14:56] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, persia)
[14:56] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status (ogra, persia)
[14:56] <ogra> you should move one step at a time ... else you'll stumble
[14:56] <persia> ogra: Ah.  I thought you said there was a USB-related SRU for omap.  Could be a data collection mistake on my part.
[14:56] <ogra> persia, we dont have OTG drivers
[14:56] <persia> Ah, that's it.
[14:56] <ogra> because nobody has the HW to actually test OTG
[14:57] <GrueMaster> Nobody?
[14:57] <persia> What?  What HW does one need?
[14:57] <ogra> so amit pulled them out before release
[14:57] <GrueMaster> No one asked me.
[14:57] <ogra> persia, something you need to solder one pin on the ground for
[14:57] <persia> Oh, HW issues.
[14:57] <ogra> GrueMaster, you claimed you wouldnt test omap because its your own board and not from the company
[14:57] <ogra> so i didnt hesitate to ask
[14:58] <persia> s/n't//
[14:58] <GrueMaster> ogra: I NEVER said any such thing.
[14:58] <NCommander> ogra: no, he said it was his board to keep, not that he was against testing
[14:58] <asac> ok i have to run to a call ... my comments on AOB: i wanted to say kudos to all for this great cycle ... was fun for me and hope for others too. And I think we did a great job in various areas (also not technical areas)
[14:58] <ogra> persia, its a special OTG cable
[14:58] <GrueMaster> ogra: I have OTG cables.
[14:58] <persia> Oh, I have heaps of those.  Anyone want several at UDS?
[14:59] <asac> if you have comments on my part this cycle feel free to shoot me an email. i am happy to get constructive critique after all
[14:59] <asac> ;)
[14:59] <ogra> persia, yes, one for me please
[14:59]  * NCommander will take one
[14:59] <persia> ogra: Sure.
[14:59] <NCommander> [topic] AOB
[14:59] <asac> also please look at launchpad.net/ubuntu-arm and subscribe to sessions you are interested in
[14:59] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[14:59] <ogra> anyway, we dont have drivers now
[14:59]  * ogra has an AOB topic
[14:59]  * persia will bring 5 and y'all can fight over them then
[14:59] <asac> might be that you end up with owning a spec as we lack assignees somewhat
[14:59] <ogra> someone has created  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/LucidReleaseNotes
[14:59] <ogra> what do we do with it ?
[15:00] <NCommander> persia: cable deathfight?
[15:00] <asac> ogra: lets take an action to flesh out final release notes
[15:00] <asac> me and you and plars maybe
[15:00] <NCommander> [action] asac and ogra to flesh out release nots
[15:00] <MootBot> ACTION received:  asac and ogra to flesh out release nots
[15:00] <persia> ogra: Add arch-specific notes, and reference the main release notes.  Stuff that comes to mind is: weboffice/webmail, efl, funny installer issues, etc.
[15:00] <ogra> asac, oki
[15:01] <plars> yeah, certainly some stuff around omap install that needs to go on there
[15:01] <persia> Oh, and someone should mention *not* to use Kubuntu Netbook with < 512MB RAM or > 1G RAM and expect it not to have horrid performance on first boot.
[15:01]  * asac out
[15:01] <GrueMaster> Also of note that fspot crashes.
[15:01] <asac> (mono in general)
[15:01] <NCommander> persia: > 1 GiB?
[15:02] <persia> NCommander: starts nepomuk with > 1GB
[15:02] <NCommander> persia: ow
[15:02] <NCommander> ow
[15:02] <NCommander> oWwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[15:02] <persia> Which pounds I/O, which kills slower processes with USB storage.
[15:02] <persia> s/processes/processors/
[15:03] <NCommander> aanything else?
[15:04] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[15:04] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:04.
[15:04] <NCommander> That's all folks
[15:06]  * abogani hope to have an Beagle (omap) board under his finger sooner or later...
[15:07] <ogra> abogani, cool !
[15:07]  * persia looks forward to linux-ti-omap-rt
[15:08] <ogra> heh
[15:08] <abogani> ogra: Indeed I never worked with "big" Cortex-A8 but only with little Cortex-M3 :-(
[15:09] <ogra> well, its all ARM after all :)
[15:09] <ogra> and the beagle has a supported installation now
[15:09] <stgraber> ogra: btw, I should have two beagle boards on my desk by the time I get back to Canada ;)
[15:09] <ogra> neat
[15:10] <ogra> stgraber, time to get LTSP rolling on the beagle :)
[15:10] <abogani> ogra: That sounds really interesting but...
[15:10] <stgraber> ogra: hehe :)
[15:10] <abogani> ogra: AFAIK Beagle don't have a NIC...
[15:11] <ogra> abogani, yet :)
[15:11] <abogani> ogra: Or I have missed something? ;-)
[15:11] <ogra> no, you are right
[15:11] <persia> Has USB, and there exist USB NICs.
[15:11] <ogra> but you can get LTSP kernel and initrd into the NAND with an easy script
[15:11] <persia> Anyway, offtopic.  Y'all should go to #ubuntu-arm
[15:12] <abogani> Sorry.
[16:00]  * persia peers about.
[16:00] <persia> cody-somerville: You ready?
[16:00] <cody-somerville> Aye
[16:00] <soren> o/
[16:00]  * ara waves
[16:00]  * stgraber waves
[16:00]  * JamieBen1ett waves too
[16:01]  * Sylvestre idem
[16:01]  * lfaraone semi-waves.
[16:01]  * rodrigo_ waves too
[16:01] <stgraber> seems like we have a lot on the agenda today
[16:02]  * smoser says hello
[16:04]  * persia encourages the chair to start the meeting in the hopes we can finish in an hour
[16:04] <cody-somerville> Oh
[16:04] <cody-somerville> Right, I forgot I agreed to that.
[16:04] <cody-somerville> #startmeeting
[16:04] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:04. The chair is cody-somerville.
[16:04] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:05] <cody-somerville> [TOPIC] Review of previous action items
[16:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review of previous action items
[16:05] <cody-somerville> persia, Have you contacted Angel?
[16:05] <cody-somerville> persia, Did you make documentation on application notice clearer?
[16:06] <persia> I've sent some IRC messages without response, and still have no response from my email.  I'd like to drop this as an action, although I'll hope to catch him another time.
[16:06] <cody-somerville> persia, ACK
[16:06] <persia> I tried: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/ApplicationProcess
[16:06] <persia> This mostly involved minor rewording, and adding a separate bullet point to indicate the two things that needed doing.
[16:07] <cody-somerville> [AGREED] Dropping action for Persia to contact Angel, he will hope to catch him another time time though.
[16:07] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Dropping action for Persia to contact Angel, he will hope to catch him another time time though.
[16:08] <cody-somerville> persia, Do you have intentions to work on it further or shall we close out this action item as well?
[16:08] <persia> I'll work on it further if people think it's still unclear.  Without feedback, I'll leave it alone.
[16:09] <cody-somerville> [AGREED] Persia will work on DMB Application Process page further if people think it's still unclear. Without feedback, he'll leave it alone.
[16:09] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Persia will work on DMB Application Process page further if people think it's still unclear. Without feedback, he'll leave it alone.
[16:09] <cody-somerville> Geser isn't here but since Sylvestre is on the agenda it appears he completed his action item.
[16:09] <cody-somerville> [TOPIC] Administrative Matters
[16:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Administrative Matters
[16:10] <cody-somerville> 1. Accept responsibility for UbuntuDevelopers/TeamDelegation
[16:10] <cody-somerville> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers/TeamDelegation
[16:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers/TeamDelegation
[16:10] <persia> So, the TB hasn't published minutes yet, but from http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/04/20/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t15:26 I believe they have ageed to delegate to us.
[16:10] <persia> Anyone opposed to that, or shall I update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers/TeamDelegation ?
[16:11] <stgraber> I'm fine with that
[16:12] <cody-somerville> No objections here
[16:13] <persia> soren: ?
[16:13] <persia> cjwatson: ?
[16:13] <persia> nixternal: ?
[16:13] <soren> No, please go ahead.
[16:13]  * persia edits
[16:13] <cjwatson> fine
[16:13]  * geser waves
[16:13] <cjwatson> (sorry, I'm only about half here)
[16:14] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] Persia to update UbuntuDevelopers/TeamDelegation to reflect DMB's responsibilities in process
[16:14] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Persia to update UbuntuDevelopers/TeamDelegation to reflect DMB's responsibilities in process
[16:14] <persia> Done.
[16:14] <cody-somerville> 2. Finalise application for Leann Ogasawara
[16:15] <persia> So, we've two choices here: 1) create the kernel-uploaders team, and add ogasawara to it, or grant PPU like we said we would a month ago.
[16:15] <persia> cjwatson: Unfortunately, I believe both the choice and implementation are up to you, due to the LP bug
[16:17] <cody-somerville> Wasn't it agreed via ML we should create a kernel-uploaders team?
[16:17] <persia> I requested such a team, but as long as we're stuck with the current implementation, I figure it makes sense to simply workflow for the person who is implementing it.
[16:19] <stgraber> persia: and having that team managed by the DMB correct ? (so simply using it as a way to simplify assigin the same PPU to a group of people)
[16:19] <persia> stgraber: That was indeed my request.
[16:19] <cjwatson> I thought I'd adjusted ogasawara's permissions already.
[16:20] <geser> just of interest: how many person have PPU upload permissions for the kernel?
[16:20] <cjwatson> the current workflow doesn't particularly cause me any problems, so if that's the only concern then I suggest status quo
[16:20] <cjwatson> geser: three or four
[16:20] <persia> cjwatson: She doesn't appear to be in ~ubuntu-dev which is likely the source of my confusion.
[16:20] <cjwatson> oh, I suppose I should fix that
[16:21] <cjwatson> she should have voting rights
[16:21] <persia> geser: The set of PPU folk *should* match https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/+members
[16:21] <cjwatson> so I guess a new team would reduce human error here
[16:21] <cjwatson> I'll create the team.  action me
[16:22] <cjwatson> anyway, we did already grant PPU in the other ways that count.
[16:22] <cody-somerville> [ACTION cjwatson to create kernel-uploaders team owned by the DMB that will provide upload permissions to kernel packages.
[16:22] <soren> persia: He asked specifically for the kernel uploaders.
[16:22] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] cjwatson to create kernel-uploaders team owned by the DMB that will provide upload permissions to kernel packages.
[16:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:  cjwatson to create kernel-uploaders team owned by the DMB that will provide upload permissions to kernel packages.
[16:22] <cody-somerville> 3. Schedule of next meeting (held at UDS?)
[16:22] <persia> Oh, kenel is apw, smb, ogasawara
[16:22] <soren> rtg is core-dev?
[16:22] <persia> Do we want to hold a meeting on the 11th?
[16:23] <persia> soren: As far as I can tell, yes.
[16:23] <cody-somerville> Sure.
[16:23] <soren> persia: Apparantly so.
[16:23] <soren> persia: I just thought he was in the same boat.
[16:23] <cjwatson> (I'll call the team ubuntu-kernel-uploaders, not kernel-uploaders, I think.  I'll check with the kernel team since many of them are in the office here)
[16:24] <persia> cjwatson: That seems sensible.
[16:24]  * soren seconds that
[16:24] <soren> Oh, s/seconds/thirds/
[16:24]  * soren was slow
[16:24] <persia> soren: You might ask if he wants/needs core-dev: perhaps membership in this team is sufficient.
[16:24] <soren> I'm not particularly interested in singling him out. If we'll be doing something like that I think we should do it more wholesale.
[16:25] <persia> soren: Ask all the core-dev?  Let's wait until we have teams for all the currently defined packagesets first :)
[16:25] <persia> Anyway, moving on...
[16:25] <soren> persia: I didn't suggest doing it now. Actually, I intended to do quite the opposite :)
[16:25] <cody-somerville> soren, back to the schedule of the next meeting... do folks want to hold the next one at UDS?
[16:25] <cody-somerville> oops
[16:25] <cody-somerville> stupid auto complete
[16:25] <geser> even if rtg wants to stay core-dev, he should be added to the ubuntu-kernel-uploaders team
[16:26] <cjwatson> yes, I shall do that
[16:26]  * persia is OK with having the meeting during UDS, but wanted to make sure folks were aware and confirmed.
[16:26] <cjwatson> fine by me
[16:26] <soren> Who will not be at UDS?
[16:26] <cody-somerville> Is everyone on the board going to UDS?
[16:26] <persia> +1 for rtg *also* being in ubuntu-kernel-uploaders
[16:26]  * geser isn't at UDS
[16:26] <soren> geser: Are you coming?
[16:26] <soren> Ok.
[16:26] <soren> nixternal: ?
[16:27] <soren> He's not listed on Launchpad as attending.
[16:27] <soren> (nixternal that is)
[16:27] <persia> Any meeting would have to be on IRC regardless of attendance, due to candidates anyway.
[16:28] <soren> persia: Oh, true.
[16:28]  * stgraber will be there
[16:28] <cody-somerville> Should we schedule a session?
[16:28] <persia> Just to block the time?  Couldn't hurt.
[16:28] <geser> won't the DMB meeting time collision with any session?
[16:28] <cody-somerville> geser, not if we schedule it
[16:28] <stgraber> I guess the main point is to make sure we don't have another session at the same time, so having some kind of DMB session there would make sense
[16:29] <soren> cjwatson: Do you have scheduling powers?
[16:29] <persia> and marking ourselves "participation essential"
[16:29] <cjwatson> soren: yes
[16:29] <cjwatson> I think so anyway.  I'm supposed to be scheduling the foundations track
[16:29] <soren> Heh, ok :)
[16:29] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, will accept an action to schedule it?
[16:29] <cody-somerville> *will you
[16:30] <soren> cjwatson: In that case, it would seem most obvious to have you..
[16:30] <soren> right, what cody-somerville said.
[16:30] <cjwatson> yes
[16:30] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] cjwatson to schedule session at UDS for DMB meeting
[16:30] <MootBot> ACTION received:  cjwatson to schedule session at UDS for DMB meeting
[16:30] <cody-somerville> [TOPIC] PerPackageUploader  Applications
[16:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  PerPackageUploader  Applications
[16:30] <cody-somerville> 1. Alessio Igor Bogani
[16:30] <abogani> Hi
[16:31] <cody-somerville> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlessioIgorBogani/linux-rtPPUApplication
[16:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlessioIgorBogani/linux-rtPPUApplication
[16:32] <cody-somerville> abogani, Please introduce yourself, explain what you're requesting, and why
[16:32] <abogani> Sorry for my very (bad) English and for my slowness in typing.
[16:32] <geser> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/04/11/%23ubuntu-motu.html#t17:31 points to a short discussion between me and abogani about this application
[16:32] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/04/11/%23ubuntu-motu.html#t17:31 points to a short discussion between me and abogani about this application
[16:32] <abogani> I'm always in trouble for difficult to find an uploader. For instance TheMuso sometimes is simply too busy, some other MOTU-ers don't have (or don't want) take care of linux realtime kernel. So although I have already a couple of SRU (in the past) I never have a change to do an upgrade to linux-rt package after the release. :-(
[16:32] <abogani> SRU with kernel I meant.
[16:33] <abogani> So kernel realtime quality si very low.
[16:33] <abogani> *is
[16:33] <abogani> Recently seems that my usual uploader don't want upload my work (on linux-rt) anymore without say me the reason. So I have also requeste to him sponsor for my application and he answer to my request with  "I would, but I haven't seen any of your recent work, so I don't feel I am in a position to comment."
[16:33] <abogani> So without an uploader I'm still doing my work in my PPA (https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa).
[16:34] <abogani> And I'm still triage bugs.
[16:34] <persia> abogani: Your application differs from most we receive in that it has no endorsements.  Could you share some of your experiences in seeking endorsements?
[16:35] <abogani> persia: i have requested it to -motu, -devel and -kernel. But not one seems trust to me.
[16:36] <cody-somerville> abogani, It sounds like you're in a tough situation due to folks not having time or interest to review your changes to a package that most developers probably don't even feel comfortable touching themselves.
[16:36] <cody-somerville> abogani, What sort of changes do you make?
[16:37] <abogani> cody-somerville: Keep in line with Upstream.
[16:37] <soren> geser: Would you agree that if TheMuso's words actually were "I would, but I haven't seen any of your recent work, so I don't feel I am in a position to comment." rather than (as abogani said in that IRC log) that TheMuso specifically didn't trust his packaging skills, that's a different story?
[16:38]  * soren gets the impression the language barrier got in the way of that previous discussion.
[16:38] <geser> soren: I didn't talk with TheMuso about it (didn't think of it)
[16:39] <soren> geser: I probably woulnd't have either.
[16:39] <geser> I saw that abogani's application didn't have any endorsements and wanted to try to find possible candidates
[16:40] <abogani> I would want let you notice that I take care of this package for *7* Ubuntu release. What you can see into that package is made only be me. So you can touch my work with your hands. I only want don't see linux-rt package die (in more than threes years seems that I'm the only one Ubuntu developer interested in this field).
[16:40]  * soren certainly remembers a long time dedication from abogani's side
[16:41] <soren> abogani: I'm curious... How big is the delta between the rt kernel and the regular kernel these days?
[16:41] <persia> I'll say that I worked with abogani on this package in either gutsy or hardy (I forget which) to support that.  I've not seen his work since prior to the application review, so am not in a strong position to comment on the application directly.
[16:42] <geser> abogani: do you how much your PPA is used?
[16:42] <abogani> soren: 100-300Kb
[16:42] <lfaraone> abogani: I think he means how many people use it.
[16:42] <soren> abogani: Are they converging at all?
[16:43] <soren> lfaraone: No, no, I did mean in terms of patch size.
[16:43] <abogani> geser: I don't have idea. No way to measure but I fix three bugs at least
[16:43] <abogani> soren: Sorry I don't understand.
[16:44] <geser> abogani: do users contact you about bugs/problems/suggestions/etc.?
[16:45] <abogani> geser: I suggest users to try kernel into my PPA to know if these fix bugs (# 540960 , #523319  and Bug #499033 )
[16:45] <abogani> geser: No they only request me a kernel that always works! ;-)
[16:46] <cody-somerville> It looks like Luke makes the most uploads to the -rt kernel. abogani Do you work closely with TheMuso?
[16:46] <soren> abogani: Is the delta size expected to be smaller in the future? Are the patches being put into the regular kernel or are the blocked by something?
[16:46] <abogani> cody-somerville: Since Intrepid.
[16:46] <cody-somerville> abogani, but he doesn't feel comfortable endorsing you?
[16:47] <abogani> soren: Upstream (Ingo and Gleixner) hope to merge completely soon
[16:47] <soren> abogani: That's great news!
[16:47] <abogani> cody-somerville: I don't know. He refuse to let me know the reason.
[16:48] <cody-somerville> Very well. I'm ready to vote.
[16:50] <cody-somerville> soren, persia, geser, cjwatson, nixternal: ?
[16:50]  * persia is fine to vote
[16:50]  * stgraber too
[16:50]  * geser has no questions anymore
[16:50] <abogani> soren: Recently They have merges spleeping spinlocks.
[16:51] <abogani> *merged
[16:52] <soren> abogani: Oh, wow.
[16:52] <abogani> For who those are interested a simple review of kernels in Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel
[16:53] <abogani> made by Scott Lavander and with few fixes by me.
[16:53] <cody-somerville> [VOTE] Alessio Igor Bogani's application for upload rights for linux-rt and rt-tests packages.
[16:53] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Alessio Igor Bogani's application for upload rights for linux-rt and rt-tests packages..
[16:53] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[16:53] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[16:54] <cody-somerville> -1 due to missing endorsement from primary uploader of packages TheMuso.
[16:54] <MootBot> -1 received from cody-somerville. 0 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1
[16:54] <persia> +1 : I'm not particularly happy about a lack of endorsements, and would like to see closer integration with the other kernels in various ways, but I don't think anyone else is going to maintain this package based on history.
[16:54] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 1 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 0
[16:55] <stgraber> +0 due to a lack of endorsement
[16:55] <MootBot> Abstention received from stgraber. 1 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0
[16:55] <cjwatson> +0 - sounds to me like the lack of endorsements is because nobody else is properly keeping up here, but I'm uncomfortable with the lack of endorsement.  Perhaps somebody else can follow up with TheMuso and chase this
[16:55] <MootBot> Abstention received from cjwatson. 1 for, 1 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 0
[16:56] <geser> +0
[16:56] <MootBot> Abstention received from geser. 1 for, 1 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 0
[16:56] <cody-somerville> abogani, I'm happy to change my -1 to a +1 if you can get an endorsement from TheMuso.
[16:56]  * geser too
[16:56]  * stgraber too
[16:56] <soren> +1  abogani has a long history of working in this area, he's clearly motivated to maintain it, and the lack of endorsements seems like a unfortunate combination of misunderstanding and the fact that when you only work on one package, you can be a bit stuck this way.
[16:56] <MootBot> +1 received from soren. 2 for, 1 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 1
[16:56] <cody-somerville> abogani, I'm sympathetic to the fact that not many people are interested in this package and thus interested in sponsoring you.
[16:57] <cody-somerville> #endvote
[16:57] <cody-somerville> #ENDVOTE
[16:57]  * imbrandon offers to sponsor uploads for abogani too
[16:58] <cjwatson> I think the DMB should take action to chase this up with potential endorsers and find out what's going on.
[16:58] <soren> I agree.
[16:58] <cody-somerville> #concludevote
[16:58] <cjwatson> and do it that way rather than simply pushing it through
[16:58] <cody-somerville> #stopvotekthxbi
[16:58] <persia> end
[16:58] <cjwatson> try [ENDVOTE]
[16:58] <cody-somerville> #end
[16:58] <cody-somerville> [ENDVOTE]
[16:58] <MootBot> Final result is 2 for, 1 against. 3 abstained. Total: 1
[16:59] <abogani> cody-somerville: I suspect that people discover that they are interested in it only whan package disappeared.
[16:59] <Sylvestre> As a Scilab developer and getting some regular feedbacks about RT applications and kernel, there are not enough packager in this field
[17:00] <cjwatson> will somebody volunteer to take this action?
[17:01]  * persia will chat with TheMuso
[17:03] <soren> I need to head to dinner soon. Can I record votes for later somehow?
[17:03] <soren> By "soon" I mean "three minutes ago" :-/
[17:03] <persia> soren: /query the chair if you're certain about some of the results.
[17:03]  * nixternal is here now
[17:03]  * stgraber has to leave soon too (as in 5-10 min)
[17:04] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] Soren to follow up with TheMuso re: abogani's application
[17:04] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Soren to follow up with TheMuso re: abogani's application
[17:05] <cody-somerville> 2. Ara Pulido
[17:05] <cody-somerville> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AraPulido/PerPackageUploadApplication
[17:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AraPulido/PerPackageUploadApplication
[17:05] <soren> Wait, what?
[17:05] <stgraber> cody-somerville: wasn't that persia's action ?
[17:05] <soren> 16:01  * persia will chat with TheMuso
[17:06] <persia> soren: I'll pretend to be you :)
[17:06] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] Persia to follow up with TheMuso re: abogani's application
[17:06] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Persia to follow up with TheMuso re: abogani's application
[17:06] <soren> persia: Rock :)
[17:06] <cody-somerville> ara, ping
[17:07] <ara> cody-somerville, hey
[17:07] <ara> I was waiting for the discussions on action ownership to end
[17:07] <ara> do I introduce myself?
[17:08] <geser> yes please
[17:08] <ara> I am Ara Pulido, part of the Ubuntu QA team
[17:08] <ara> I am the main developer of Mago (http://mago.ubuntu.com) a automated desktop testing framework, who is built on top of LDTP (ldtp.freedesktop.org)
[17:08] <ara> I have been working very closely with Debian maintainer of LDTP and also upstream and, lately, most of the LDTP uploads were done by me (thanks to kind sponsors).
[17:09] <ara> Also, I uploaded mago for the first time to Ubuntu
[17:09] <ara> As per ubuntu-qa-tools, there were a set of scripts developed by the QA team, and I thought it was worth it to package them and upload them to Ubuntu. I based my work on ubuntu-dev-tools package.
[17:09] <ara> Thus, I am applying for upload rights for those three packages
[17:10] <cody-somerville> You have some great endorsements.
[17:10] <persia> ara: In your application you say that we've done poorly in building a strong testing community: how do you think this is best addressed?
[17:10] <ara> persia, well, not poorly, we've been doing better than other communities, but there is a lot of room for improvements
[17:11] <ara> we need to build culture around testing
[17:11] <persia> OK.  Less well than with bugsquad then :)  Still, same question.  How?
[17:12] <ara> I think a key thing is that developers need to understand how important testers are for them and their work
[17:12] <ara> I would love to see a developer from the different teams rotating to attend the QA meeting on IRC, i.e.
[17:12] <ara> that would build a bridge between testers and devs
[17:12] <cody-somerville> ara, You only have 11 uploads. How often do you need yo upload these packages? Any more than others? Are you the primary maintainer or just a casual contributor?
[17:13] <ara> cody-somerville, ldtp has a very active upstream release process
[17:13] <stgraber> cody-somerville: I'm affraid I have to leave now, please record a +1 for ara. Great endorsements + I have been working with her on some QA tools (including the ISO tracker) and have been reviewing some of her code for that with it being usually perfect.
[17:13] <ara> cody-somerville, you will see much more uploads  on that package
[17:13] <stgraber> see you all at UDS for the next meeting
[17:14] <ara> stgraber, thanks!
[17:14] <ara> cody-somerville, but I would like to upload more often mago and ubuntu-qa-tools in the next cycles
[17:14] <ara> cody-somerville, I could say that I am the main maintainer for those three packages
[17:15] <cody-somerville> 11 uploads doesn't seem correct. according to ldtp changelog, you have quite a lot of uploads
[17:16] <cody-somerville> Anyhow, I'm ready to vote.
[17:16] <ara> cody-somerville, yes, when using distributed development, I often see the sponsor as the uploader in Launchpad
[17:16] <ara> cody-somerville, I don't know why...
[17:16] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, persia, geser: Ready to vote?
[17:17]  * nixternal is has no questions
[17:17] <persia> ara: How closely do you end up working with kartik?
[17:17] <cody-somerville> nixternal, ah, I forgot you showed up
[17:17] <nixternal> you better never ever forget again :p
[17:18] <geser> cody-somerville: ready
[17:18] <ara> persia, at the beginning we were working pretty close, and he put me as co-maintainer of the debian package. He has been feeling a bit left out lately, though, but I already told him that we will be working again closely
[17:18]  * persia is ready
[17:19] <ara> persia, see here his complaint and my reply:
[17:19] <ara> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/ldtp-dev/2010-April/000999.html
[17:19] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/ldtp-dev/2010-April/000999.html
[17:21] <cody-somerville> [VOTE] Ara Pulido for upload rights for packages ldtp, mago and ubuntu-qa-tools.
[17:21] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Ara Pulido for upload rights for packages ldtp, mago and ubuntu-qa-tools..
[17:21] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[17:21] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[17:21] <nixternal> +1
[17:21] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[17:21] <cody-somerville> +1
[17:21] <MootBot> +1 received from cody-somerville. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:21] <geser> +1
[17:21] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[17:21] <cody-somerville> +1 from Soren and stgraber
[17:21] <persia> +1 Nice history of work on the packages.
[17:21] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[17:22] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, ^
[17:22] <cjwatson> oh, sorry
[17:22] <cjwatson> +1
[17:22] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[17:22] <cody-somerville> [ENDVOTE]
[17:22] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[17:22] <nixternal> congrats and welcome ara \o/
[17:23] <ara> thanks!
[17:23] <rodrigo_> congrats ara!
[17:23]  * persia believes there's another meeting at 16:30, but may be mistaken
[17:23] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] cjwatson, on behalf of DMB, to grant Ara Pulido upload rights for packages ldtp, mago and ubuntu-qa-tools.
[17:23] <MootBot> ACTION received:  cjwatson, on behalf of DMB, to grant Ara Pulido upload rights for packages ldtp, mago and ubuntu-qa-tools.
[17:24] <geser> persia: isn't it 17:30?
[17:24] <persia> Could me.  Like I said, I might be mistaken.
[17:24] <persia> s/me/be/
[17:24]  * nixternal has to let the dog out...bbi5
[17:24] <cody-somerville> I see the Desktop Team Meeting in 6 minutes.
[17:25] <geser> persia: 16:30 has the desktop team a meeting but not here and the next meeting here is at 17:00
[17:25] <persia> OK.  Let's move on then.
[17:25] <cody-somerville> 3. Rodrigo Moya
[17:26] <cody-somerville> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RodrigoMoya/PerPackageUploadApplication
[17:26] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RodrigoMoya/PerPackageUploadApplication
[17:26] <rodrigo_> I am part of the online services team at canonical, working on desktop integration of Ubuntu One
[17:27] <rodrigo_> I am upstream of the packages I ask permissions for, except for Tomboy, which I don't maintain, but I've been working closely with upstream for the tomboy notes synchronization protocol used by Ubuntu One and snowy (free notes sync service)
[17:27] <rodrigo_> so I'm asking for upload rights for couchdb-glib, evolution-couchdb, libubuntuone, rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store, tomboy, ubuntuone-client
[17:28] <geser> how much packaging is done upstream (you) and how much by your sponsor for those packages?
[17:29] <rodrigo_> except for libubuntuone and rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store, which was entirely done this cycle by kenvandine, I (and the team I work for) do all the packaging
[17:29] <rodrigo_> and for libubuntuone and rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store, we dind't do the packaging this cycle because we were very busy
[17:29] <rodrigo_> so kenvandine did help us
[17:29] <rodrigo_> but I plan to do the packaging from now on myself
[17:29] <nixternal> back
[17:30] <cody-somerville> rodrigo_, It appears you've never had any changes sponsored for rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store, libubuntuone, or ubuntuone.
[17:30] <persia> rodrigo_: Grepping changelogs, I don't see any uploads or credited contributions from you for several of the referenced packages.  Are you part of upstream on some of them?
[17:30] <rodrigo_> cody-somerville, as I said, we didn't do any packaging for rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store, libubuntuone this cycle
[17:30]  * lfaraone has to go. Can I be processed by email, or should I move to the next agenda?
[17:30] <rodrigo_> as for ubuntuone-client, it's done by a member of my team usually
[17:30] <rodrigo_> but I'm taking the maintainership for next cycle
[17:31] <rodrigo_> persia, I am upstream on all of them, except for tomboy
[17:31] <cody-somerville> rodrigo_, Who usually sponsors your couchdb-glib uploads?
[17:31] <rodrigo_> cody-somerville, kenvandine
[17:31] <geser> lfaraone: we will mail you once we now what we do with the applications which we don't manage to process today
[17:32] <rodrigo_> cody-somerville, part of the reason for applying is removing lots of workload from kenvasndine
[17:32] <lfaraone> geser: thanks.
[17:32] <cody-somerville> rodrigo_, Tomboy?
[17:32] <rodrigo_> he's been doing the packages when we didn't have time, as I said for this cycle
[17:32] <rodrigo_> cody-somerville, dholbach and pitti, iirc
[17:33] <cody-somerville> Okay, I'm ready to vote. (We'll be voting on each package individually).
[17:33] <rodrigo_> for tomboy, I didn't have to send any patch/change in the last cycle, because all development was done upstream
[17:34] <rodrigo_> and because the protocol is now stable, but we plan to add some new things to the protocol
[17:34] <rodrigo_> so the package would need changes during maverick devel process
[17:35] <cody-somerville> rodrigo_, Its nice that you contribute upstream but for package upload rights I'm more interested in seeing a demonstrated proficiency and understanding of Debian packaging, particular in relationship to the packages being applied for.
[17:35] <rodrigo_> cody-somerville, yeah, right, was just explaining why there are no recent tomboy uploads from me
[17:35]  * cody-somerville nods.
[17:36] <cody-somerville> rodrigo_, Are there any packages you feel more intimately familiar with? (debian packaging wise that is)
[17:36] <rodrigo_> cody-somerville, couchdb-glib and evolution-couchdb, I've done all the packaging for them, just had kenvandine sponsoring my uploads
[17:37]  * cody-somerville nods.
[17:37] <nixternal> those 2 packages have rodrigo_'s name all over, even from the 'initial packaging' a year ago
[17:37]  * cody-somerville nods.
[17:37] <rodrigo_> yes :)
[17:37] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, geser, nixternal, persia: Ready to vote?
[17:37] <nixternal> 3 May 2009
[17:38] <cjwatson> I'm afraid my attention is being mostly stolen, but sure
[17:39]  * persia has no further questions
[17:39] <nixternal> none here
[17:39]  * persia is also rapidly losing cognitive capacity, and will likely have issues processing soonish
[17:40] <cody-somerville> [VOTE] Rodrigo Moya for upload rights for packages couchdb-glib and evolution-couchdb
[17:40] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Rodrigo Moya for upload rights for packages couchdb-glib and evolution-couchdb.
[17:40] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[17:40] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[17:40] <nixternal> +1
[17:40] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[17:40] <persia> +1: clear history of maintenance
[17:41] <cjwatson> +1
[17:41] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:41] <geser> +1
[17:41] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[17:41] <cody-somerville> +1 clear history of maintainership
[17:41] <MootBot> +1 received from cody-somerville. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[17:41] <cody-somerville> +1 from Soren
[17:41] <geser> persia: try again without :
[17:42] <cody-somerville> [ENDVOTE]
[17:42] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[17:42] <persia> +1
[17:42] <cody-somerville> [VOTE] Rodrigo Moya for upload rights for packages libubuntuone, rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store, and ubuntuone-client
[17:42] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Rodrigo Moya for upload rights for packages libubuntuone, rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store, and ubuntuone-client.
[17:42] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[17:42] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[17:43] <cody-somerville> -1 No sponsored uploads for requested packages.
[17:43] <MootBot> -1 received from cody-somerville. 0 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1
[17:43] <nixternal> +1 - I am taking Ken's testimony to heart "...and since he is upstream for the packages, he understands the issues better than I do."
[17:43] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 0
[17:44] <geser> +1
[17:44] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 2 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[17:44] <persia> +0 : no sponsored uploads, but lots of upstream activity, and acceptable as Ubuntu Developer otherwise
[17:44] <MootBot> Abstention received from persia. 2 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
[17:44] <nixternal> plus he is Canonical, so if he messes up, it is more fun to watch :D
[17:44] <nixternal> just kidding!!!
[17:44] <rodrigo_> :)
[17:44] <cjwatson> +1 - my understanding of general sabdfl guidance on these matters is that upstream developers should be welcomed provided that they have a general understanding of Ubuntu processes
[17:44] <nixternal> kind of :D
[17:44] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 3 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:45] <nixternal> we need soren and stgraber right? to the mailing list to complete or are they still around?
[17:45] <persia> cody-somerville: Did either give you a vote in /query?
[17:48] <cody-somerville> +1 from Soren
[17:49] <persia> Then it goes to mail, pending stgraber.
[17:49] <cody-somerville> [ENDVOTE]
[17:49] <MootBot> Final result is 3 for, 1 against. 1 abstained. Total: 2
[17:49] <cody-somerville> [VOTE] Rodrigo Moya for upload rights for packages tomboy
[17:49] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Rodrigo Moya for upload rights for packages tomboy.
[17:49] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[17:49] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[17:50] <cody-somerville> +0
[17:50] <MootBot> Abstention received from cody-somerville. 0 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0
[17:50] <persia> +1 : participatory in packaging, patches submitted upstream, otherwise Developer Material
[17:50] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
[17:50] <geser> +0
[17:50] <MootBot> Abstention received from geser. 1 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 1
[17:51] <cjwatson> +1
[17:51] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 2 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:52] <cody-somerville> nixternal, ^^
[17:52] <nixternal> +1
[17:52] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 3 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 3
[17:52] <nixternal> damn, you did back to back votes, caught me off guard
[17:53] <cody-somerville> +1 from Soren too?
[17:54] <cody-somerville> I think we should defer both this and last vote to have stgraber and soren vote explicitly on the separate votes via ML.
[17:54] <cody-somerville> [ENDVOTE]
[17:55] <MootBot> Final result is 3 for, 0 against. 2 abstained. Total: 3
[17:55] <cody-somerville> rodrigo_, Congratulations. You've been granted PPUs to couchdb-glib and evolution-couchdb
[17:55] <rodrigo_> so, will I get the final results in my mail, or should I follow some mailing list?
[17:55]  * rodrigo_ opens the champagne!
[17:55] <nixternal> to early here for champaigne, though maco would tell you otherwise
[17:55] <persia> rodrigo_: You'll get notified of the final results, but you're an Ubuntu Developer and can upload those two packages.
[17:55] <rodrigo_> thanks
[17:56] <rodrigo_> persia, ok, cool
[17:56] <maco> nixternal: pffft is noon where you live! its past tequila time for you!
[17:56] <cody-somerville> rodrigo_, PPU permissions for libubuntuone, rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store, ubuntuone-client, and Tomboy are pending further votes. You'll be notified via email of the results.
[17:56] <geser> cody-somerville: what do we do about the remaining agenda as we are running out of time (if I read the schedule correctly)?
[17:56] <nixternal> jeesh, 6 more applications to process
[17:57] <cody-somerville> I'd like to propose we defer the remaining PPU permission applications, MOTU applications, and UCD application until the next meeting
[17:57] <nixternal> all this in 2 weeks...starting to look good on the dev front...more people getting excited to join
[17:57]  * persia thinks that's 3 hours at current rate, and won't be completed within this meeting.
[17:57] <nixternal> though that imbrandon character is back yet again
[17:57] <cjwatson> I believe I'm fully caught up on the implementation of current approvals
[17:57] <cody-somerville> But think we should process Brandon Holtsclaw before concluding
[17:57] <ara> rodrigo_, congrats!
[17:57] <nixternal> i think you are too, thanks for that!
[17:57] <rodrigo_> thanks ara :-)
[17:57] <Sylvestre> :/
[17:58] <imbrandon> :)
[17:58] <Sylvestre> cody-somerville, when is going to be the next meeting ?
[17:58] <neversfelde> mhh, everything else postponed to next meeting?
[17:58] <persia> Sylvestre: 11th May
[17:58]  * neversfelde took holiday to attend this meeting :(
[17:59] <Sylvestre> I might not be available :S
[17:59] <cody-somerville> (If this is a problem for any applicants, please speak - note, you're more likely to get approved when we're not fatigued from voting:P)
[17:59] <smoser> 2 weeks will be UDS.
[17:59] <Sylvestre> If it is possible, I would like to do it now but I understand if you are borred
[18:00] <cjwatson> I'm OK with staying a bit longer, but not three hours
[18:00] <cjwatson> chair's decision IMO
[18:00] <imbrandon> i think mine should be easy either way, now or via email, i just dident hit the "renew" button in time ;)
[18:00] <smoser> (thats simplay informational)
[18:00] <geser> isn't the kernel team meeting soon here?
[18:00] <persia> Should be, yeah.
[18:01]  * cody-somerville nods.
[18:01] <cody-somerville> [AGREED] Deferring remaining applications with exception of imbrandon's
[18:01] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Deferring remaining applications with exception of imbrandon's
[18:01] <cody-somerville> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Core Developer Applications
[18:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu Core Developer Applications
[18:01] <cjwatson> the kernel team cancelled their IRC meeting this week
[18:01] <persia> I don't trust myself to provide informed consideration anymore.  I'll follow-up in email if anything is needed.
[18:02] <cody-somerville> 1. Renewal for Brandon Holtsclaw
[18:02] <nixternal> -40000000000000000
[18:02] <cjwatson> neversfelde: if it's serious hardship to make it to meetings, we can if necessary handle it by mail, though in general we prefer not to
[18:03] <imbrandon> Hi I'm brandon, i'm pretty sure most/all of you know me, I did not hit the Launchpad core-dev renewal button in time and my membership had expired, i'd like to renew ;)
[18:03] <nixternal> thing is, i think deferring it to the next meeting is ok, as there is absolutely nothing to do right now with your upload rights :)
[18:03] <neversfelde> cjwatson: I would be sad, if would have wasted a day of holiday for nothing :)
[18:04] <cjwatson> cody-somerville: (I think we ought to process neversfelde's application if possible, since he's gone to special lengths)
[18:04] <cjwatson> I'm fine with imbrandon's renewal, pro forma
[18:05] <nixternal> he is special alright
[18:05] <nixternal> yeah, same with imbrandon
[18:05] <cody-somerville> [VOTE]  Renewal of core-dev status for Brandon Holtsclaw
[18:05] <MootBot> Please vote on:   Renewal of core-dev status for Brandon Holtsclaw.
[18:05] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[18:05] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[18:05] <cody-somerville> +1
[18:05] <MootBot> +1 received from cody-somerville. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[18:05] <geser> +1
[18:05] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[18:05] <nixternal> +1
[18:05] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[18:06] <cjwatson> +1
[18:06] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[18:06] <cody-somerville> [ENDVOTE]
[18:06] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[18:06] <nixternal> james bond fell asleep at the keyboard
[18:06] <cody-somerville> [AGREED] Brandon Holtsclaw to be re-granted core developer status
[18:06] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Brandon Holtsclaw to be re-granted core developer status
[18:07] <imbrandon> ty for takin the time to make sure i got in today :)
[18:07] <imbrandon> GL neversfelde
[18:07] <nixternal> we should have made you wait
[18:07] <imbrandon> :)
[18:07] <nixternal> cutting in line! you can't do that in chicago, here you would get a whoopin'!
[18:07] <neversfelde> imbrandon: thanks
[18:07] <imbrandon> hey hey technicly i was first in line on the agenda from last week ;) shhhh
[18:07] <cody-somerville> I unfortunately can not spare any more of my work day.
[18:08] <cody-somerville> neversfelde, Ubuntu is frozen. You can't upload anyhow. Are you sure you can't wait?
[18:08] <neversfelde> cody-somerville: I am not sure I can make it to the next meetings, as I have to work all summer
[18:09] <neversfelde> but if it is preferred, I can come back the next meeting I can convince someone to let me go home :)
[18:09] <cody-somerville> neversfelde, Will you have time to upload this summer? ;)
[18:09] <neversfelde> cody-somerville: well, there are weekends :)
[18:09] <cjwatson> meetings are at fixed times; last I checked, uploads weren't ;-)
[18:09] <neversfelde> hehe
[18:09]  * cody-somerville was being facetious.
[18:10] <cjwatson> might be an interesting feature in LP though ...
[18:10] <imbrandon> heh
[18:10] <neversfelde> so probably I introduce myself and I am open to any questions here and per mail?
[18:10] <cody-somerville> holy crap
[18:10] <cody-somerville> you have a lot of uploads
[18:10] <cody-somerville> Are they mostly rebuilds or what?
[18:10] <nixternal> lol
[18:10] <neversfelde> cody-somerville: hehe, I hope not
[18:11] <cody-somerville> Oops, misread the number
[18:11] <cody-somerville> I thought it said 680
[18:11] <cody-somerville> *690
[18:11] <nixternal> neversfelde: why motu? why not just go the kubuntu-dev route?
[18:11] <cjwatson> can you comment on why you're applying for MOTU rather than for Kubuntu?
[18:11] <cjwatson> heh, snap
[18:12] <nixternal> i knew he is a kubuntu mastah
[18:12] <geser> LP oopsed for me trying to loads neversfelde +related-software page :(
[18:12] <neversfelde> nixternal, cjwatson: as I understand the process it is MOTU first and Kubuntu dev is more than that, but I might be wrong
[18:12] <neversfelde> also this is my goal for a long time now
[18:12] <nixternal> minitube, the only package without a "K" in it, but it is a KDE app :)
[18:12] <cjwatson> though I notice that the endorsements are specifically for MOTU
[18:12] <nixternal> neversfelde: yeah, you are wrong :)
[18:12] <cjwatson> kubuntu-dev certainly involves more core packages than MOTU does
[18:12] <cjwatson> so it depends on your interests
[18:13] <cody-somerville> neversfelde, I'm happy to process your application via e-mail if you can't make further e-mails.
[18:13] <cody-somerville> [TOPIC] Select a chair for the next meeting
[18:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Select a chair for the next meeting
[18:13] <nixternal> neversfelde: yeah, go Kubuntu Dev dude
[18:13] <neversfelde> so I would love to fix packages with no K in it, too. If this did not happen yet, I am sure it will in future
[18:13] <cody-somerville> err... further meetings
[18:13] <cjwatson> one reason to go MOTU rather than kubuntu-dev is if you have experience and interest in packages not in the Kubuntu seeded set
[18:13] <cody-somerville> soren, who wants to be chair for the next meeting?
[18:13] <cody-somerville> ugh
[18:13] <cody-somerville> stupid auto-complete
[18:14] <cjwatson> most of your uploads seem to be in kubuntu-dev's scope, though
[18:14] <neversfelde> also I would like to help with reviewing packages on REVU, I think there is help needed
[18:14] <neversfelde> ok, I could do this without beeing a MOTU, but I would feel better
[18:14] <cjwatson> (and kubuntu-dev certainly doesn't preclude a motu application; doing both is entirely legit if you have relevant experience for both)
[18:14] <geser> neversfelde: if you are kubuntu-dev you can review kubuntu packages on REVU :)
[18:15] <cody-somerville> neversfelde, I recommend you pursuing kubuntu-dev. For MOTU applicants, we tend to look to see if they have experience as a generalist.
[18:15] <neversfelde> ok
[18:15] <cody-somerville> nixternal, Want to chair next week?
[18:15] <nixternal> i was chair last week
[18:16] <cody-somerville> oh right
[18:16] <cody-somerville> geser, ?
[18:16] <nixternal> but...if i have to do it again i am down
[18:16] <nixternal> i have no problem chairing...it is easy
[18:16] <nixternal> just gotta make sure i wake up for it :)
[18:16] <nixternal> remember, I am unemployed right now, so i don't have to be up early :D
[18:16] <geser> nixternal: we won't start without you :)
[18:16] <nixternal> rofl
[18:17] <nixternal> ok, i will chair the next meeting then
[18:17] <cody-somerville> Has geser ever chaired yet?
[18:17] <lfaraone> It will probably be difficult for me to make the next meeting, as I had to request special arrangements with my teachers to even make this one. I'll submit for email processing, I guess.
[18:17] <geser> yes, I've chaired already once (might be around 3 meetings ago)
[18:17] <maco> lfaraone: psst link to your wiki page? i forgot to write on it
[18:18] <cjwatson> linked off DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[18:18] <lfaraone> maco: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukeFaraone/MOTUApp , thanks.
[18:18] <cody-somerville> [ACTION] Geser or Nixternal to be next chair - depends who hits #startmeeting first :P
[18:18] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Geser or Nixternal to be next chair - depends who hits #startmeeting first :P
[18:18] <cody-somerville> #endmeeting
[18:18] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:18.
[18:19] <imbrandon> longests -meeting in ubuntu history , lol j/k
[18:19] <imbrandon> thanks all
[18:20] <geser> imbrandon: old CC meetings were also around this long (if not even longer)
[18:21] <imbrandon> geser: oh yea i rember, was more of a joke ;P
[18:24] <WebGuest4> !logs
[18:33] <maco> geser: thank goodness for membership boards?