[21:50] <laeg> once pulseaudio has been removed how does one bring up the alsa volume controls please? there's no longer any sound or volume option in prefs or admin. i think it's a terminal command, alsa-x, x being the unknown? ubuntu 10.04
[21:50] <TNSe> But I finally got it fixed so now I can ... go sleep instead of doing what I was supposed to do 8 hours ago
[21:50] <ZykoticK9> laeg, "alsamixer"
[21:51] <markben> ZykoticK9: Can you elaborate a bit on that.  How do I change my output?  It does seem like a rendering problem as I'm able to see a screenshot of the current frame if I take a screenshot in totem.
[21:51] <TNSe> *sigh* >_<
[21:51] <TNSe> Anyway, thanks for the help here, beats the crap out of nearly anything else I've tried to get help on online :D
[21:51] <belkinsa> Markben: DO you know how to run the debug" command?
[21:51] <Dr_Willis> markben:  in the mplayer and vlc configs theres a 'video out' option. or use  (in mplauyer i think) the -vo XXXX option
[21:51] <ZykoticK9> markben, don't think it is possible with Totem - try mplayer or VLC for better results
[21:51] <Dr_Willis> markben:  i always use mplayer or vlc. i rarely bother with totem
[21:52] <markben> Dr_Willis, Zykotic: Trying in vlc right now.
[21:52] <TNSe> Now we just gotta get blizzard to make games native for linux and I can swap perma :P
[21:52] <laeg> ZykoticK9: ty, was trying alsa-mixer.
[21:53] <lovzan> hi evb
[21:53] <belkinsa> TNSe: Agree.
[21:53] <belkinsa> Agreed*
[21:54] <jiffe> anyone else running into issues with quotas becoming desynced from du ?
[21:54] <TNSe> D3 on a dedicated gaming machine with ubuntu would be niec.
[21:54] <jiffe> if I run quotacheck it fixes it, but I've had to do this a couple times now
[21:56] <brack10> Hi
[21:56] <buddha_> hi
[21:57] <brack10> I'm trying to setup a syslog server on Ubundu for my Cisco devices.  I've installed syslogd, and in syslogd.conf I've added "local7.*                        /var/log/cisco.log".  I enabled logging on my cisco device and when I tcpdump I see local7 packets coming through on my eth0 interface OK.  However they're not showing up in cisco.log
[21:57] <brack10> Anyone know why?
[21:57] <brack10> or how I can begin to troubleshoot?
[21:58] <Misantropo> llutz, thanks, i have to restart for my blue tooth adapter to work, but thanks, the app seems to be what i want
[21:58] <Theaxiom> how do I find out which is the current video driver loaded?
[21:58] <Theaxiom> anyone?
[21:59] <Theaxiom> I need to know which display driver is currently loaded
[21:59] <guntbert> jiffe: if I remember correctly you have to run quotacheck via cron regularly (but that was long ago for me, so I might err)
[21:59] <bogdomania> check the xorg.conf file
[21:59] <bogdomania> see wich one is loaded
[21:59] <ZykoticK9> Theaxiom, "lspci -vnvn" and find the VGA section then the line "Kernel driver in use:"
[21:59] <Theaxiom> bogdomania, there is not one
[21:59] <oCean_> brack10: might sound silly, but after changing syslog, you restarted syslogd, right?
[21:59] <markben> Dr_Willis, Zykotic: The video plays back when I choose X11, or OpenGL video.  Default and GNU/Linux framebuffer just display black.
[22:00] <jiffe> guntbert: I was talking with someone who runs slackware who doesn't have to do this though
[22:00] <brack10> oCean_: Yeah I did
[22:00] <jiffe> guntbert: so I'm not sure whats different and why I would need to
[22:00] <ZykoticK9> markben, just use OpenGL
[22:00] <markben> Dr_Willis, Zykotic: Is there a setting I can change so this affects the whole system?
[22:00] <jiffe> guntbert: it seems like a major hack to have to run quotacheck, there's no reason for that in a working system
[22:00] <brack10> I basically followed this tutorial http://www.aboutdebian.com/syslog.htm
[22:00] <markben> Zykotic: OK, I've set VLC of OpenGL
[22:00] <oCean_> brack10: ok, and syslogd is enabled to listen -r ?
[22:00] <brack10> except I did local7.*
[22:01] <brack10> oCean_: Yeah
[22:01] <ZykoticK9> !tab > markben
[22:01] <brack10> SYSLOGD="-r -m0"
[22:01] <bogdomania> ZykoticK9, try with lsmod
[22:01] <jalexbrown> Has anyone noticed a bug where your Empathy contact list stops updating after you're logged in for so long?
[22:02] <bogdomania> it should be listed
[22:02] <guntbert> jiffe: as I said, that was several years ago on a suse system - so just take it as a starting point
[22:02] <Kream> anyone here use Munin?
[22:02] <oCean_> brack10: ok. Using 'logger' you could do some testing. Like "logger -p local7.info this is a test"
[22:02] <guntbert> !anyone | Kream
[22:02] <ZykoticK9> bogdomania, wrong person i think.
[22:03] <jiffe> I guess I'm looking for pointers as to what I might be doing wrong that would cause the quota count to become desynced and what I might do to fix it
[22:03] <bogdomania> sry , that was for Theaxiom
[22:03] <jiffe> besides running quotacheck
[22:04] <Eventyret> is anyone know a fix for a nforce smbus error at boot ?
[22:04] <brack10> oCean_: That worked...
[22:04] <karamorf> in terminal, how can I pass the function keys (F1-F12) through?
[22:04] <oCean_> brack10: hmm.. but not from the cisco equipment? That's strange
[22:04] <brack10> oCean_: Yeah.  I see the packets hitting clear as day
[22:05] <jalexbrown> Is there a way to log out and log back in but save all the windows that were opne?
[22:05] <jalexbrown> *open?
[22:05] <brack10> 14:04:05.283701 IP X.X.X.X.58021 > myserver.syslog: SYSLOG local7.notice, length: 102
[22:05] <Eventyret> jalexbrown: you mean in terminal sorry to ask ?
[22:06] <jalexbrown> Eventyret: It doesn't matter if it's terminal or not.
[22:06] <oCean_> brack10: thinking here... how to trace where those packets end up :s
[22:06] <brack10> oCean_: I can dump the whole packet and load it up in wireshark I guess
[22:07] <Eventyret> jalexbrown: oh well im using irssi so :) then i can just use /set but then again i dunno on normal linux :P
[22:07] <Eventyret> oh uhm jalexbrown
[22:07] <jalexbrown> oCean_: I haven't been reading all the posts, but would traceroute work?
[22:08] <oCean_> brack10: Indeed. Also, could you test from a non-cisco client? e.g. an ubuntu box, you could try the logger tool there
[22:08] <oCean_> jalexbrown: nope, it's about remote syslogd
[22:08] <jalexbrown> Oh, okay...nevermind then...carry on.  :P
[22:09] <brack10> oCean_: alright I'll try
[22:10] <markben> I've got video playback working in VLC now by selecting the OpenGL output.  Does anyone know how to change the video output for the entire desktop to default to OpenGL so that totem and other video players will also work?
[22:11] <mmestnik> Hello, I have a system that will only run in text modes and I'd like to set it up as an XDMCP server using gdm.  However gdm seams to want to also install the xserver.  What can I do?
[22:11] <BadElvis> hi, how can i make these overlays on the screen appear when i adust brightness or volume of my notebook?
[22:11] <bogdomania> markben, what graphic card are you using? nvidia by any chance?
[22:11] <mmestnik> Is there a gdm-nox11server?
[22:11] <jalexbrown> Okay, does anyone know what the 10.04 equivalent of System -> Preferences -> Session would be?
[22:12] <Monty> BadElvis, libnotify-osd, i use them for phone call and other notifications on my htpc when watching tv...could give you my script
[22:12] <mmestnik> jalexbrown: I think the UI for that was removed when the backend was changed and the tool just never got ported over.
[22:13] <jalexbrown> I found what I was looking for.
[22:13] <jalexbrown> I was looking for session saving.
[22:13] <brack10> oCean_: How do you use logger to send to another host?
[22:13] <BadElvis> Monty: thanks, if i only use it for standard overlays is there also need for scripting?
[22:14] <Monty> BadElvis,  no, it's just a cli call
[22:14] <rocket161> How to integrate Project M visualization with Alsaplayer or Totem? I have installed XBMC, and it works nicely there.
[22:14] <oCean_> brack10: you would have to change the /etc/syslog.conf on that client. Where /var/log/messages is, you have to write @hostname
[22:15] <BadElvis> Monty: i will take a look at it. strange, some older version of ubuntu had this already installed, i think. maybe it was dropped.
[22:16] <spaniardg> where can I find a good walkthrough on creating a multiple boot usb drive with different linux distros
[22:16] <Monty> BadElvis, I wrote a script some time ago, because there were some session-problems with dbus... i'll pastebin it...mom
[22:16] <Glaucous> Do anyone know a way to underclock an ATI graphics card as much as you want? Ubuntu 10.04
[22:17] <markben> Thx for all the help everyone.  Ubuntu is a great community. :)
[22:18] <rocket161> How to view Project M visualisation for sound without using XBMC?
[22:19] <belkinsa> Markben: It's and I am glad you are a part of it.
[22:19] <BadElvis> Monty: ah, i seem to have libnotify1 and notify-osd. so maybe i have it already installed and only need to make it start automatically
[22:19] <masen> the best way to use projectM is to compile it yourself and then use the projectM-pulseaudio app
[22:19] <jalex_brown> Are there any scripting/programming gurus in here?
[22:19] <masen> rocket161: this helped me: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=749793
[22:20] <guntbert> jalex_brown: this is not a programming channel
[22:20] <belkinsa> !anyone jalex_brown
[22:20] <Ddorda> can anyone recommend me a  good tool to remind me for meetings?
[22:20] <rocket161> masen: Thanks a lot friend, :) I am checking it oit.
[22:20] <rocket161> * out
[22:21] <YromrakS> ok i have a live-cd of gparted
[22:21] <jalex_brown> Ddorda: Doesn't 10.04 feature that in the built-in calendar?
[22:21] <YromrakS> do i need to format my usb into ntfs before it will work?
[22:21] <_Richie_>  /msg NickServ identify rasrichi
[22:21] <Layt> heya. i was runnin karmic for a while, just upgraded to lucid from the package manager, and after the restart everything is borked
[22:22] <Ddorda> jalex_brown: i believe it does but never tried it. are you talking about evolution? or tomboy?
[22:22] <oCean_> _Richie_: oops!
[22:22] <Layt> everything. where do i go from here?
[22:22] <Monty> BadElvis, http://pastebin.com/qUe481bt
[22:22] <oCean_> _Richie_: better change passwords
[22:23] <jalex_brown> Ddorda: I was talking about if you just click on the date/time in your toolbar.
[22:23] <YromrakS> i formatted my usb to ntfs, then deleted it then formated to fat32, now it doesn't want to let me format to ntfs..  i allready unmounted it :X
[22:23] <jalex_brown> Which apparently links to Evolution.
[22:23] <AnxiousNut> What dows this mean? E: Malformed line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntu-tweak-stable.list (dist parse)
[22:23] <Ddorda> jalex_brown: i don't use the panels so i don't have that tool
[22:24] <jalex_brown> Do you have Evolution?
[22:24] <masen> AnxiousNut: what does line one of that file say?
[22:24] <YromrakS> Gm4n i need help with gparted
[22:24] <masen> it could be referring to a different distro than your current one
[22:24] <Ddorda> jalex_brown: i have but i don't use it
[22:25] <Gm4n> YromrakS: I'm no huge expert, but I can try and help. what's up?
[22:25] <Monty> BadElvis, for use with icons I call it: notify.sh -i totem-tv "message". The DBUS stuff may only be needed when using it outside the current x-session. i  guess  you then have to set the diisplay in term
[22:25] <YromrakS> gm4n i had a fat32 usb that i turned into a ntfs, then i deleted it, and formated it into fat32
[22:26] <brack10> oCean_: So I did local7.*                                @X.X.X.X for the IP of the syslogd computer, but they're not showing up in tcpdump.  Did I do that right?
[22:26] <AnxiousNut> masen: im actually not sure, im helping a guy who doesnt know english on a forum, i just need to know what it means, and what "dist parse" mean
[22:26] <YromrakS> gm4n i unmounted it and it doesn't want to let me turn it into a ntfs again
[22:26] <Gm4n> YromrakS: you shouldn't need to use gparted for that, you're just trying to reformat a single partition
[22:26] <jalex_brown> Ddorda: Try RedNotebook.  I've not used it myself, but it looks good from screenshots.  Might be what you want.
[22:27] <Ddorda> jalex_brown: thanks, i will :)
[22:27] <mIKEjONES> is it normal for the taskbar to disappear forever after I change the resolution?
[22:27] <YromrakS> gm4n i'm noob, where would i reformat a single partition
[22:27] <masen> AnxiousNut: i believe it referres to the distribution that you're trying to get code for. Each line in an APT src file has: deb uri distribution var1 var2
[22:28] <ozzloy> how do i tell what video driver i'm using?
[22:28] <YromrakS> gm4n i think i found it
[22:28] <Gm4n> YromrakS: I'm not really much of an ubuntu user, and I don't run my linux systems with GUIs. So I can only tell you how to do things from a commandline
[22:28] <Alonea> I have a question? Why do I have to manually set my audio to microphone? why doesn't it detect this and automatically turn my speakers off and put sound through the headphones? i have to go to sound pref, output, and choose connector
[22:28] <YromrakS> k
[22:28] <oCean_> brack10: don't think so. I tried the same: on the client in /etc/syslog.conf, around line 39 or 40 there is /var/log/messages ("Some catch-all logfiles"). I changed /var/log/messages to @mysysloghost, restarted syslog, and my testmessages shows up in tcpdump *and* in the file specified for local7.*
[22:28] <Gm4n> do you understand the difference between a partition and a filesystem?
[22:28] <masen> if the file has distribution as lucid, but the system is running karmic it wont work
[22:28] <BadElvis> Monty: thanks for the script
[22:29] <Alonea> ack, headpones, not microphone
[22:29] <AnxiousNut> masen, but ir should work if it was on lucid but written of karmic, right?
[22:30] <maco> Alonea: because that's a driver bug which you should file by running "ubuntu-bug -s audio"
[22:30] <webPragmatist> anyone have experience with creating startup scripts
[22:30] <brack10> oCean_: oh ok I'm doing it too lwo
[22:30] <brack10> low*
[22:31] <webPragmatist> i'm trying to retrofit http://www.server-world.info/en/CentOS_5/lsync/1.html
[22:31] <webPragmatist> to ubuntu
[22:32] <Alonea> maco: ok, which of the 4 options should I choose? will there be a box to describe whats wrong?
[22:32] <Monty_> BadElvis, did it help you? the sudo call was just to make sure that the currently in x  logged user is used
[22:32] <preecher> when i go to gnome-look to get some ubuntu themes i dont see any all i see is in the list gtk1 gtks metacity and etc--will any of these work with ubuntu?
[22:32] <maco> Alonea: what are the options it gives? and yes itll eventually take you to a web browser to type an explanation. the options determine what hardware info it sends to the bug tracker
[22:33] <npx> hey guys, how can I get to the grub boot menu? I accidentally removed my user from sudoers
[22:33] <npx> and 10.04 boots insanely fast hahah
[22:33] <melfy> npx: su root, and put in your root pw
[22:33] <melfy> :P
[22:33] <npx> i haven't set one
[22:33] <melfy> then try blank?
[22:34] <npx> no, the root account isn't enable
[22:34] <bogdomania> :)
[22:34] <npx> i need to do "init 1" or boot into single user
[22:34] <melfy> :/
[22:34] <npx> i need to get to the grub menu
[22:34] <Monty_> npx: use a live cd and put you back into sudoers
[22:34] <Alonea> maco: Playback does not work, or is cracking, Surround playback problem, recording does not work properly, sound problem with one or a few applications only
[22:34] <guntbert> !noroot | melfy
[22:35] <melfy> maybe i should disable mine =x
[22:35] <maco> Alonea: go for the first one
[22:35] <bogdomania> Alonea, try building your own audio driver with module-assistant
[22:35] <mIKEjONES> my taskbar moved onto a non-existant monitor
[22:35] <mIKEjONES> how can I get it back?
[22:35] <npx> will a 9.04 boot CD read an ext4 fs?
[22:35] <uRock> npx, yes
[22:35] <npx> okay cool
[22:36] <bogdomania> mIKEjONES, what?
[22:36] <npx> and I add myself to the sudoers group?
[22:36] <npx> rather than editing the sudoers file directly...?
[22:36] <sebsebseb> npx: no
[22:36] <mIKEjONES> bogdomania: I have a laptop monitor configuration
[22:36] <uRock> not sure about that
[22:36] <VCoolio> preecher: go for gtk2, metacity is window borders but a lot of gtk2 include them
[22:36] <sebsebseb> npx: actsually probably just about since Ext4 was optional with 9.04
[22:36] <bogdomania> ok..
[22:36] <mIKEjONES> where ubuntu has made the other monitor port the primary display
[22:36] <guntbert> npx: see http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo
[22:36] <sebsebseb> npx: ,but not properly stable since kernel and such
[22:37] <Alonea> bogdomania: is there a page with info on that?
[22:37] <mIKEjONES> I have nothing hooked up to it so I can't really do much to fix my monitor
[22:37] <bogdomania> Alonea, yes
[22:37] <bogdomania> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticModuleAssistant
[22:37] <Monty_> npx: it depends on your sudoers file, if the group sudo is configured there, then it could help to add youu to the group sudo, otherwise add your user to the sudoers file
[22:37] <preecher> VCoolio-thx
[22:38] <mIKEjONES> ok nvm xrandr fixed it
[22:38] <VCoolio> preecher: if you get metacity or gtk2 without borders you need to hit customize in the appearance window to find and select them
[22:38] <bogdomania> mIKEjONES, ok, be more specific
[22:39] <preecher> VCoolio oh ok
[22:39] <Alonea> bogdomania: thanks, I will take a look at that after I finish the bug report
[22:40] <EvilTrek> i'm getting an error with "locale", and things not being found.  where is this information stored for it?
[22:41] <mIKEjONES> bogdomania: 2 monitors, 1 is a real monitor, 1 is just a port, ubuntu made the port without a real monitor hooked up to it the primary display
[22:41] <bogdomania> ok..just a sec
[22:41] <mIKEjONES> bogdomania: I fixed it though
[22:41] <mIKEjONES> used xrandr to turn off the other display
[22:42] <jalex_brown> Does anyone know of a way that I can automatically log out and log back in at a set time like say 4am?
[22:42] <BadElvis> monty_: hm, i dont know what to do with it. i dont need notification for calls only for volume and broghtness and stuff
[22:42] <sebsebseb> jalex_brown: not sure about the auto log back in, but you can auto log out
[22:42] <sebsebseb> !info gshutdown
[22:42] <bogdomania> mIKEjONES, gnome , kde? what version?
[22:42] <mIKEjONES> 10.04 gnome
[22:42] <maco> jalex_brown: you could have a cron script to restart gdm at 4am, and setup autologin for your user
[22:42] <YromrakS> so to format my primary hard drive i need a live cd of gparted on a fat32 usb..  let's hope this works...
[22:43] <bogdomania> are you sure,you didn`t deleted the panel?
[22:43] <thune3> jalex_brown: is there another issue which you are trying to solve with logout/login as a workaround?
[22:44] <mIKEjONES> bogdomania: yes, re read what I've said. the problem's been fixed
[22:44] <mIKEjONES> it was an issue with primary / secondary display settings
[22:44] <jalex_brown> thune3: Well I've just noticed there seem to be several bugs when I go too long without logging out.
[22:44] <YromrakS> good luck to me :X
[22:44] <bogdomania> i did, but it sounds strange what you said
[22:44] <jalex_brown> thune3: My Empathy contact list will freeze up for one thing.  For another after a while, if I log out and log back in, the screen will be blank.
[22:45] <Monty_> BadElvis, ah..k...is the "notify-osd" daemon installed and running?
[22:45] <jalex_brown> thune3: Well, the screen thing could have been a one-time fluke, because it's only happened once.
[22:45] <anthon> hello and good evening. can any one tell me the adress of danish ubuntu irc chat?
[22:45] <mIKEjONES> is there a way to change gdm's resolution?
[22:46] <mIKEjONES> dpkg-reconfigure doesn't output anything
[22:46] <guntbert> !dk | anthon
[22:46] <belkinsa> Anthon: Try #ubuntu-de
[22:46] <belkinsa> Okay, I guess it was dk.
[22:46] <BadElvis> monty_ no
[22:46] <guntbert> belkinsa: wrong
[22:46] <guntbert> belkinsa: :)
[22:47] <anthon> thank you every body:)
[22:47] <appleseed> Oh dear me, in Ubuntu Maverick I can't get my wireless router (dhcp server) to successfully complete a DHCP transaction. I've disabled IPv6, but still I get "No DHCPOFFERS received", and my wlan0 works perfectly on Kubuntu Lucid and W7. My config files are exactly the same between the working Kubuntu Lucid and the Ubuntu Maverick, why am I having the DHCP issues?
[22:47] <mIKEjONES> is it true that only niggers are allowed to develop ubuntu?
[22:47] <rsk> oh wow
[22:47] <sebsebseb> !meverick | appleseed
[22:47] <thune3> jalex_brown: if you just kill/close empathy and restart it, does that not solve the problem?
[22:47] <Jordan_U> !ops | mIKEjONES
[22:47] <oCean_> mIKEjONES: stop immediately
[22:47] <sebsebseb> !10.10 | appleseed
[22:48] <maco> !maverick | appleseed
[22:48] <jalex_brown> thune3: No, I tried that and it didn't fix it.
[22:48] <jalex_brown> thune3: When I killed it and re-launched it, the contact list was still the same as before.  When I log out and log back in, it will then be right.
[22:48] <CakeProphet> Hello. I noticed when I switched upgraded to lucid that the volume control was removed from the panel. Is this intentional? How can I get it back?
[22:48] <thune3> jalex_brown: you close it from the applet?
[22:49] <jalex_brown> thune3: No, I killed it from the System Monitor.
[22:49] <sebsebseb> Jordan_U: uh what, what did they do?
[22:49] <appleseed> lol, I'd thought they must've made networking stable by now; I'll go install Ubuntu Lucid then, and God forbid I get the same issues there, then I'm coming back to rant! thx
[22:49] <guntbert> sebsebseb:
[22:49] <guntbert> sorry
[22:50] <nicofs> can anyone help me with my 3g modem? i can't connect anymore. i'm trying sakis 3g atm, but it doesn't work... neither does wvdial ("invalid dial command"). I need help. i need that connection to work 2morrow...
[22:50] <jalex_brown> nicofs: What modem is it?
[22:50] <Alonea> question, this module assistant thing? can I use this so it will automatically rebuild my wireless drivers each kernel update? I have to compile drivers from http://wireless.kernel.org/download/compat-wireless-2.6/compat-wireless-2.6.tar.bz2 for my wireless to work correctly
[22:51] <nicofs> jalex_brown: Huawei EM770 - and it is recognized as such...
[22:51] <brack10> ok I figured out my syslogd problem.  Sort of.  I foolishly installed syslog-ng and then removed it, but it looks like it's still running.  I've done apt-get purge and apt-get autoclean.   Do I have to start manually removing stuff?
[22:51] <Monty_> BadElvis, did you try to reinstall the package notify-osd?
[22:51] <jalex_brown> nicofs: What version of Ubuntu?
[22:52] <nicofs> jalex_brown: latest with updates and all
[22:52] <jalex_brown> nicofs: Latest stable (10.04) or latest unstable (10.10)?
[22:52] <nicofs> jalex_brown: stable
[22:53] <jalex_brown> nicofs: Did you check to see if there were any newer drivers available?
[22:54] <nicofs> jalex_brown: how can i do that apart from google?
[22:54] <Zenith881> if lucid lynx does not show grub menu and does not boot after installing a new kernel, how can I get into grub menu to select the old kernel?
[22:54] <test34> nicofs, bing?
[22:54] <nicofs> test34 bing?
[22:54] <BadElvis> monty_ i will, just a sec
[22:54] <test34> nicofs, they will even give you 3$ for charity
[22:55] <Jordan_U> Zenith881: Hold shift during boot.
[22:55] <Zenith881> @Jordan: tried that, same thing - black screen, some crunching of HDD and silence
[22:56] <jalex_brown> nicofs: Is the modem built into a laptop?
[22:56] <nicofs> jalex_brown: yes
[22:57] <Jordan_U> Zenith881: Though the menu is supposed to show automatically after a failed boot. (i.e. if grub loads the kernel but init doesn't get to a certain point to clear a failure flag, the next boot the menu is supposed to show and not time out so you can select a different kernel/options)
[22:57] <jalex_brown> nicofs: What is the manufacturer/model of the laptop>?
[22:57] <Zenith881> tried many times, still same result
[22:58] <nicofs> jalex_brown: Acer Aspire One 532h, Atom N270 1,66GHz
[22:59] <thune3> jalex_brown: it look like empathy opens an instance of evolution-data-server to deal with contact list. Your problem might be evolution related.
[23:00] <jalex_brown> nicofs: Scroll down to huawei081126.sh.zip on this site...
[23:00] <jalex_brown> http://www.acer.com/aspireone/support/files/connect.html
[23:01] <jalex_brown> thune3: So maybe killing the evolution-data-server along with Empathy would fix it?
[23:04] <Monty_> BadElvis, I have to go now...
[23:07] <BadElvis> monty_hall:  thanks fpr thehelp
[23:07] <notamea> Hello new to this how does this work
[23:07] <Layt> the 10.04 upgrade borked my whole system. x doesnt even start. where should i start my troubleshooting?
[23:07] <rsk> with a seriel console
[23:08] <mari_> hello
[23:08] <valbaca> Notema its a chat. Ask for help
[23:08] <bastid_raZor> Layt: .xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:08] <mari_> im new
[23:08] <Alonea> Layt: with a stiff drink as well
[23:08] <nicofs> jalex_brown: ok, i installed the script and rebooted - no change...
[23:08] <notamea> Thank you
[23:08] <Layt> bastid_raZor, ty
[23:09] <cpu> im having some problems getting 10.04 to connect to a pptp vpn thats running on 10.04 server
[23:09] <cpu> no matter what i do, the connection fails
[23:09] <Zenith88> Jordan_U: Could it be that grub menu does not show because it's in graphics and my video card Radeon 9200 is not supported?
[23:09] <notamea> I need help I instaled Ubuntu 10.04 and I cant find my droid phone please help
[23:10] <Layt> notemea, after you accept the mount from the phone, it should show up mounted in /media
[23:10] <jalex_brown> nicofs: Hm...
[23:10] <Layt> that is, have to say 'make available' from the phone after you plug it in, then mount
[23:10] <jalex_brown> nicofs: I'm not sure then.  I've done some Google searches, but can't find any good explanation or solution..
[23:10] <Jordan_U> Zenith88: No.
[23:11] <notamea> It goes stright to media not my computer
[23:11] <nicofs> jalex_brown: what's really weird is, is that wvdial returns "invalid dial command"...
[23:11] <ChogyDan> what is the latest kernel version?
[23:11] <nicofs> Is anyone here familiar with Sakis3G?
[23:12] <luka_> !list
[23:12] <luka_> list!
[23:12] <Oer> my current kernel 64 bit is 2.6.32-23 ChogyDan
[23:12] <ChogyDan> Oer: yeah, I thought -23 was the latest, but I've seen a few references to -24
[23:13] <ChogyDan> thanks
[23:13] <notamea> Thank you
[23:13] <Zenith88> Jordan_U: then I guess the only way is to boot from a distro dvd and edit out the new kernel menu. is there a live DVD for lucid? I don't have any CD-R media.
[23:13] <nerdy_kid> i am looking for a terminal emulator that will allow having 4 terminals split side by side -- preferably for kde. thanks :)
[23:13] <VCoolio> nerdy_kid: terminator or any other using tmux
[23:14] <mneptok> nerdy_kid: terminator
[23:14] <adjurata> hello
[23:15] <adjurata> does anyone know how i can generate an xorg.conf?
[23:16] <nerdy_kid> mneptok thats gtk and requires 28 mb of space to install :-|
[23:16] <adjurata> i have to change my gdm login screen resolution?
[23:16] <adjurata> is that still possible under Ubuntu?
[23:17] <ZykoticK9> adjurata, http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/create-an-xorg-conf-file
[23:17] <scrooloose> lol @ terminator, best name ever?
[23:18] <VCoolio> nerdy_kid: use what terminal you like and run tmux in it, sort of a window manager for terminal, you can split horizontally and vertically any way you see fit
[23:18] <mneptok> nerdy_kid: so why not ask in #kubuntu?
[23:18] <nicofs> please... anyone... there must be some way to get my 3g modem going...
[23:19] <adjurata> the X -configure config file does not work
[23:19] <Bonkers> anybody know how a user can find his Xauthority file in ubuntu lucid? I know it's in /var/run/gdm/auth-for-<user>*/database, but I can't seem to figure out how to fetch that exact path being only a user and not root, my user has permission to read the database file, but not find its location
[23:20] <trism> Bonkers: echo $XAUTHORITY;
[23:20] <Bonkers> trism: so I hear, but if I'm just sshing in, that environment variable is not set
[23:21] <Bonkers> I've thought about putting "echo $XAUTHORITY > ~/.xauth-location" in my .xprofile but that seems a bit roundabout
[23:21] <trism> Bonkers: you shouldn't need to access it directly then, but you can do: xauth extract $HOME/.Xauthority $DISPLAY; although you will need to figure out the correct display, since it won't be set either
[23:22] <trism> Bonkers: you should only need to set DISPLAY in lucid, I haven't had the xauth issues that I had with karmic over ssh
[23:23] <lulzim> Anyone can tell me how can i resume AIGLX?
[23:23] <Bonkers> trism: I'm trying to start up x11vnc for my user, it was easy enough in karmic since my user at +rX on /var/run/gdm
[23:24] <Bonkers> xauth extract can't find display ':0', hrm
[23:24] <deexannihilate> Jordan_U: are you available to continue helping me today?
[23:24] <judget>  why does Ubuntu 10.04 create a small extended partition is that for grub?
[23:25] <iromli> hi guys, can i have cron task for my account (not sudo user) ?
[23:25] <Jordan_U> deexannihilate: Yes.
[23:25] <Flare183> iromli: yes, crontab
[23:25] <dekushrub> I can't browse with nautilus as root. I tried sudo, gksu, and gksudo and they all tell me that a directory is missing. when I try doing mkdir is doesn't work
[23:25] <thune3> adjurata: i think it's: sudo Xorg -configure
[23:25] <slow-motion> n8
[23:25] <deexannihilate> jordan_u: yay! :)
[23:25] <Bonkers> nor can it find :0.0
[23:25] <Flare183> dekushrub: please pastebin the exact message
[23:25] <iromli> Flare183: i have crontab -e and wrote something there. ... is there any next steps?
[23:25] <Bonkers> I don't know why I put myself through the pain of upgrading
[23:25] <adjurata> I'm already root
[23:26] <Flare183> iromli: What editor are you using, and if you don't know what I
[23:26] <lulzim> Guys Can Anyone Tell me How to Resume AIGLX ??
[23:26] <Flare183> iromli: I'm talking about, then screenshot it
[23:26] <lulzim> does anyne know?
[23:26] <iromli> Flare183: it's nano
[23:26] <helder_> \nickjohn
[23:26] <Hasanibrahim> hello
[23:26] <Flare183> iromli: alright, press control+o and press enter, then do control+x
[23:26] <dekushrub> Flare183, http://pastebin.com/XzG8FP57
[23:27] <Hasanibrahim> what's the best way installing windows on ubuntu without a live cd ?
[23:27] <iromli> Flare183: yes, i did that .. just wanna know is there any next step?
[23:27] <Flare183> iromli: nope, cron will do the rest
[23:27] <deexannihilate> Jordan_U: so, I've done nothing to it since last night. I have the boot disc. Is there anything else you need me to get?
[23:27] <Bonkers> man, now I can't type shift-<anything> over vnc, it's just lowercase
[23:27] <iromli> Flare183: ok, thanks
[23:27] <Hasanibrahim> what's the best way installing windows on ubuntu without a live cd ? i have installed ubuntu on windows but now windows has some problems (as always) so i need to reinstall windows so what do you advice me to do it ?
[23:28] <Flare183> Hasanibrahim: install windows, then ubuntu, and don't use wubi
[23:28] <Flare183> iromli: no problem
[23:28] <gogeta> Hasanibrahim: oh without killing grub thats a good one
[23:28] <Hasanibrahim> Flare183: i don't want to reinstall ubuntu
[23:28] <lulzim> Does anyone know how can i resume AIGLX ??
[23:28] <gogeta> Hasanibrahim: your gonna need some sort of a live cd
[23:28] <Flare183> Hasanibrahim: if you partitioned it correctly then you won't have to
[23:29] <gogeta> Flare183: he still wold need to restore grub
[23:29] <Flare183> gogeta: not if he installs winblows first
[23:29] <gogeta> Hasanibrahim: then you missed what he said
[23:29] <Hasanibrahim> is not there anyway restoring grub on windows?
[23:29] <gogeta> Flare183: then you missed what he said
[23:29] <Flare183> !grub | Hasanibrahim
[23:30] <gogeta> Flare183: he has ubuntu installed
[23:30] <gogeta> Flare183: he whats to install windows without losing data
[23:30] <Flare183> gogeta: Well if he partitioned it right, then we won't loose anything
[23:30] <adjurata> is it possible to change gdm's resolution?
[23:30] <dekushrub> Flare183, do you know anything about that error?
[23:30] <gogeta> Flare183: grub still would need to be restord
[23:31] <Flare183> dekushrub: if you sudo mkdir the folders one buy one then it should work
[23:31] <gogeta> Flare183: if you do ubuntu then windows windows overwrites grub
[23:31] <Flare183> gogeta: I know that >.<
[23:31] <Flare183> ugh
[23:31] <Bonkers> anyone know why every time I type shift-<something> over x11vnc, I get a KeyRelease for shift right before <something> and a KeyPress for shift right after <something> effectively making it impossible to type special characters or uppercase?
[23:31] <Hasanibrahim> gogeta: is there any way to restore grub on windows ?
[23:31] <nicofs> Can anyone help me troubleshoot my 3g modem? how can i find out, what network manager is doing durin dial-up and why it aborts?
[23:32] <dekushrub> Flare183, I just tried that, when I type sudo nautilus, nothing happens
[23:32] <Flare183> dekushrub: Your not doing it right then
[23:32] <gogeta> Hasanibrahim: yes grub4dos but the live cd would work best thers a supergrub live cd that does it guided
[23:32] <dekushrub> Flare183, what do you want me to do? I've never had this problem with ubuntu before
[23:32] <Flare183> dekushrub: sudo mkdir /root && sudo mkdir /root/.config && sudo mkdir /root/.config/nautilus/
[23:33] <webPragmatist> how can i make a init.d script start at boot
[23:33] <dekushrub> Flare183, that's exactly what I did. Nautilus no longer gives me the error but it just won't open as root
[23:33] <gogeta> Hasanibrahim: oh yea and the grub4win gui
[23:33] <seidos> webPragmatist, I think you need to put a link in /etc/rc*
[23:33] <webPragmatist> seidos: which rc* though?
[23:33] <Dr_Willis> webPragmatist:  this is a script you made?
[23:33] <Flare183> dekushrub: hmmm sounds like some permissions are messed up
[23:33] <Hasanibrahim> thankyou gogeta and Flare183.i  have found a documant "Recovery  using Microsoft Windows and Its Bootloader"
[23:33] <Dr_Willis> webPragmatist:  runlevel 2 is the default
[23:33] <seidos> webPragmatist, I'm not sure.  Maybe it doesn't matter?
[23:33] <webPragmatist> Dr_Willis: yea
[23:33] <gogeta> Hasanibrahim: but you will have to manuly add thelines
[23:34] <Dr_Willis> webPragmatist:  you may want to learn to do things the upstart way then.
[23:34] <dekushrub> Flare183, yeah, but I don't know how. I clean installed this like a week ago
[23:34] <Dr_Willis> webPragmatist:  or just start the script from /etc/rc.local
[23:34] <Dr_Willis> webPragmatist:  see /etc/init for upstart init scripts
[23:34] <dekushrub> Flare183, I also can't do su for some reason
[23:34] <Flare183> dekushrub: you must have done something wrong massively then
[23:34] <gogeta> dekushrub: cant su?
[23:34] <webPragmatist> Dr_Willis: what do you mean upstart way? … i just followed http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s-/etc/init.d for the most part and was able to use the start-stop-daemon thingy ant it worked :)
[23:34] <Flare183> dekushrub: you don't use su on ubuntu, you use sudo -i
[23:34] <Flare183> because of this reason:
[23:35] <Flare183> !root
[23:35] <gogeta> LOL
[23:35] <Dr_Willis> webPragmatist:  ubuntu is slowly getting away from usign the sysv init system. and is using 'upstart' now.
[23:35] <Dr_Willis> webPragmatist:  so that guide is proberly a bit out of date for ubnuntu.
[23:35] <dekushrub> Flare183, thanks for that tip
[23:35] <Flare183> dekushrub: No problem
[23:35] <Dr_Willis> webPragmatist:  with each release fewer and fewer services use the sysv methods.
[23:35] <webPragmatist> Dr_Willis: well do you have something else i can read? or an example?
[23:35] <dekushrub> Flare183, nautilus still doesn't work there. I have no idea why. every other program works fine
[23:35] <Dr_Willis> webPragmatist:  look at the scripts in /etc/init
[23:36] <Dr_Willis> webPragmatist:  and check the ubuntu forums/wiki pages for upstart docs. I only dable with it a little.
[23:36] <Dr_Willis> !upstart
[23:36] <Jordan_U> Does anyone know what path wubi uses for its root.disk image file?
[23:36] <Phun5tar> Every time I start my Kubuntu desktop, I get three terminals and Chrome upon startup
[23:36] <Flare183> dekushrub: I don't know, the only thing I can think of is that you've messed with something really badly
[23:37] <gogeta> Phun5tar: did you shutdown like that
[23:37] <Phun5tar> no
[23:37] <dekushrub> Flare183, alright thanks. I know I didn't mess with anything though. I guess I'll just reinstall
[23:37] <Flare183> mm
[23:37] <Flare183> hmm*
[23:37] <Jordan_U> deexannihilate: Once I figure out the path to the disk image file wubi uses I can give you instructions for getting wubi booting again.
[23:37] <Phun5tar> it's been occurring since my kernel update
[23:37] <Phun5tar> however, I had a similar problem before that
[23:37] <gogeta> Phun5tar: maybe its loading a saved session like that
[23:37] <deexannihilate> jordan_u: ok. thank you.
[23:37] <Phun5tar> that's what I was thinking, but I don't recall ever having three terminals and Chrome up
[23:38] <Phun5tar> even so, how would I change/revert this?
[23:38] <webPragmatist> Dr_Willis: oh i see so each rc* would be a certain point at which it starts...
[23:38] <nobarking> what's a good vnc client for Kubuntu KDE4 friendly, Qt4 based preferably?
[23:39] <sebsebseb> !vnc > nobarking
[23:39] <sebsebseb> nobarking: by the way theres a #kubuntu channel
[23:39] <gogeta> Phun5tar: Control Centre > KDE Components > Session Manager
[23:40] <iromli> hey, where can i see the list of those irc commands on this channel?
[23:40] <nicofs> Can anyone help me troubleshoot my 3g modem? how can i find out, what network manager is doing durin dial-up and why it aborts?
[23:40] <sebsebseb> iromli: for the bot you mean?
[23:40] <meoblast001> hi, i'm having trouble finding a Bullet Physics package for in the Ubuntu repos.. are they there?
[23:40] <iromli> sebsebseb: yap
[23:40] <sebsebseb> !bot | iromli
[23:40] <Phun5tar> okay, I do see the "restore previous session", but I shut down a clean desktop each time (or a different configuration)
[23:40] <webPragmatist> Dr_Willis: have you built init.d scripts before?
[23:40] <iromli> sebsebseb: thanks
[23:40] <Phun5tar> my startup session is different than my startup
[23:40] <sebsebseb> iromli: Your welcome
[23:40] <Phun5tar> er...sorry
[23:40] <gogeta> Phun5tar: you should be able to delete any saved ones
[23:41] <Phun5tar> startup session is different than shutdown
[23:41] <Phun5tar> oh
[23:41] <gogeta> Phun5tar: setting it back to factory
[23:41] <Phun5tar> would merely starting an empty session fix it?
[23:41] <tony__> hi
[23:42] <gogeta> Phun5tar: it should reinvoke the settings wizord
[23:42] <iromli> !codecs > iromli
[23:42] <gogeta> Phun5tar: so it should
[23:42] <iromli> ahh ... i'm so noob
[23:42] <tonytraductor> I'm on here using irssi on an everex cloudbook with xubuntu 9.10
[23:42] <Phun5tar> good
[23:42] <Phun5tar> we'll see
[23:42] <Phun5tar> thanks
[23:43] <tonytraductor> I installed netbook-remix, but wiped the nbr stuff and added xubuntu-desktop
[23:43] <tonytraductor> pretty co0l
[23:43] <tonytraductor> no questions, just on gloating over this nifty little machine
[23:44] <thune3> nicofs: /var/log/syslog or more compactly /var/log/daemon.log should have a log of networkmanager's actions during the connection attempt.
[23:44] <gogeta> tonytraductor: kinda a long way around to get the launcher in xbuntu
[23:44] <tonytraductor> I wish mocp were in the repos, though
[23:44] <gogeta> tonytraductor: you coulda just installed netbook-luancher in xbuntu
[23:44] <tonytraductor> oh, I turned off the netbook-launcher crap
[23:44] <tonytraductor> that was nauseating
[23:44] <tonytraductor> bloated, clunky, not fast at all
[23:44] <gogeta> tonytraductor: there is a switch buttion to turn it ogg lol
[23:44] <gogeta> off
[23:45] <tonytraductor> yeah, I just took it out of startup apps
[23:45] <experiMENTAL> problem not solved, plz. black screen with white flashing stripes up to half of the screen preceded by a message "checking battery state... [OK]": http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1531543
[23:45] <tonytraductor> I installed the netbook-remix t try since I had it on a usbkey, but decided xubuntu is better
[23:46] <adjurata> a black friend of mine was telling me that ubuntu only employs niggers to help write code
[23:46] <tonytraductor> experiMENTAL. sounds like X config issues
[23:46] <gogeta> tonytraductor: yea i prefer the new gnome desktop to the launcher on my own netbook
[23:46] <apsoto> hey there, anyone know if there is something similar to /etc/aliases if you don't have a mail server locally so root email gets sent somewhere else?
[23:46] <nicofs> thune3: there's something about "SIM failure" in there...
[23:47] <tonytraductor> well, canonical IS based in Africa, but I don' think they discriminate based on skin color, and I don't think you should call ppl "niggers" on here. You're likely to get booted
[23:47] <gogeta> adjurata: lol conserding the entire communty makes linux code i have no clue where he got that and niggers lol that might start a war
[23:47] <tonytraductor> soy latino...gonna call me a spic?
[23:47] <VxJasonxV> Is there an md5/sha hash for 10.04 LTS somewhere?
[23:47] <VxJasonxV> for the 10.04LTS iso*
[23:47] <Mahjongg> what utility gives this output on console login? 0 packages can be updated.
[23:47] <Mahjongg> 0 updates are security updates.
[23:47] <experiMENTAL> tonytraductor: i tried dpkg-reconfiture xserver-xorg, but its not working.
[23:47] <YankDownUnder> Language gentlemen
[23:47] <bithen> Sup dawgs.
[23:48] <tonytraductor> what kind of machine are we talking about?
[23:48] <sebsebseb> !ops | adjurata
[23:48] <gogeta> lol
[23:48] <sebsebseb> gogeta: or was it you
[23:48] <gogeta> not me
[23:49]  * jpds watches maco take evasive manoveures.
[23:49] <topobot> hello
[23:49] <topobot> can i ask something please?
[23:49] <Flare183> !ask | topobot
[23:49] <VCoolio> Mahjongg: update-manager probably, it's some python script it runs from /usr/lib/update-manager I believe, I modified it once
[23:49] <maco> jpds: irc client lacking aliases :(
[23:49] <thune3> nicofs: this guy http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-163385.html got a similar error in wvdial because the sim was inserted incorrectly. then he got some other error....
[23:49] <topobot> ok thanks
[23:49] <sebsebseb> gogeta: yeah it was adjurata  using that silly word
[23:50] <Phun5tar> got my session deal figured out
[23:50] <Mahjongg> VCoolio, how can I get my application to run next to that output?
[23:50] <Phun5tar> but now I have a less critical question about vlc and KDEinit
[23:50] <sebsebseb> !language | adjurata
[23:50] <Phun5tar> I always get an error when using VLC, but VLC works just fine
[23:50] <topobot> look, i use macosx mainly but i got a freelance job, i live in berlin now, but i need to have full access to a machine in italy, which operating system do you recommend to install in the computer in italy?
[23:50] <gogeta> Phun5tar: take it that cleard your apps from starting up
[23:51] <gogeta> :)
[23:51] <topobot> for having full remote access ?
[23:51] <Phun5tar> yes, yes it did
[23:51] <Phun5tar> thanks!
[23:51] <meoblast001> hi... Bullet physics doesn't appear to be in the repos as far as i can tell.. any reason?
[23:51] <topobot> which are the differences between windows xp and ubuntu in terms of remote accesss?
[23:51] <sebsebseb> topobot: differnet clients
[23:51] <sebsebseb> topobot: and such
[23:52] <topobot> what do you mean  sebsebseb?
[23:52] <sebsebseb> !vnc > topobot
[23:52] <Phun5tar> anyone know why this pops up after I close VLC?
[23:52] <Phun5tar> KDEInit could not launch 'vlc'.
[23:52] <sebsebseb> topobot: differnet programs for doing it with
[23:52] <YankDownUnder> Under any form of unix/linux/bsd, you can have many different types of remote access. Under MS Windows, only two, basically.
[23:52] <nicofs> thunar3: how can a SIM card be inserted incorrectly? it's asymetric... bot those are not the error messages i get...
[23:52] <gogeta> Phun5tar: should like it was trying to start it again
[23:52] <sebsebseb> topobot: however also SSH isn't a Windows thing, which can be used to make the connection secure, see what bot sent you
[23:53] <Phun5tar> that's what it looks like, but I'm closing it
[23:53] <Phun5tar> at least, that's when the error pops up
[23:53] <_Richie_> quiero hacer un ruteo statico permanente route -add <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:53] <topobot> ok ,but which is bbetter for doing this? windows or ubuntu?
[23:53] <gogeta> Phun5tar: dounds like a bug with vlc and kdes init system
[23:53] <_Richie_> que mas le tengo que agregar par aque al reiniciar no se borre
[23:53] <gogeta> sounds
[23:53] <sebsebseb> topobot: depends
[23:53] <topobot> on what?
[23:53] <Phun5tar> ah
[23:53] <thune3> nicofs: i don't know. you might try re-seating the SIM just in case it somehow lost contact.
[23:53] <VCoolio> Mahjongg: it's a file 'apt_check.py', run that like 'python /path/to/apt_check.py --help' to get the options
[23:54] <Flare183> topobot: Ubuntu does it all, windows cannot. but that's my opinion
[23:54] <nicofs> thune3: i have that issue with various SIM cards...
[23:54] <Flare183> !english | _Richie_
[23:54] <sebsebseb> topobot: Linux to Linux pretty easy, and securely.  Linux to Windows not as easy securely.  I mean if your doing your own connection, not using an already make service for it.
[23:54] <topobot> Flare183:  what cannot do windows?
[23:54] <gogeta> Flare183: lol if he speaking a diffrent language saying english probly isnt gonna help
[23:55] <YankDownUnder> What type of connectivity do you want? Shell? Remote-control? Remote X? Telnet? FTP?
[23:55] <Flare183> gogeta: yeah well, Idk the language they're speaking so yeah
[23:55] <topobot> sebsebseb: im talking about which computer should i connect in the computer in italy, here in my house i have macosx that is prrety the same as linux
[23:55] <sebsebseb> topobot: For that, there probably isn't really a best OS,  since differnet things that can be used, for differnet OS's for it.
[23:55] <Rabbitbu1ny> Why does java want to run constantly and eat 100mb of ram?
[23:55] <gogeta> Flare183: looked like spannish
[23:55] <Rabbitbu1ny> Seriously, it's a bog.
[23:55] <Visualante> aloha #ubuntu, i've accidentally deleted the network manager icon from the task bar and can't work out how to get it back. my internet connection is gone from Ubuntu so i can't do any tests atm
[23:55] <Flare183> gogeta: I can never be sure so yeah
[23:55] <VCoolio> Mahjongg: it's part of update-notifier, by default in startup applications
[23:55] <topobot> sebsebseb: im talking about which operating system should i install in the computer in italy, here in my house i have macosx that is prrety the same as linux
[23:55] <tonytraductor> ¿donde?  estaba fuera por un minuto
[23:55] <sebsebseb> topobot:  Windows, Linux distrubtions, or Mac OS X, they can all remote connect to each other
[23:55] <Flare183> topobot: Mac OS I based off a linux kernel so yeah
[23:55] <gogeta> tonytraductor: funny
[23:55] <Visualante> how can i get back online?
[23:56] <sebsebseb> topobot: Flare183  well they say that Mac OS X is based on FreeBSD which is a Unix distribution not Linux
[23:56] <topobot> but why people say that windows is not so good for making this kind of thing?
[23:56] <halnaweb> ola
[23:56] <Dr_Willis> Visualante:  run 'nm-applet' i think
[23:56] <gogeta> topobot: kind of what
[23:56] <tonytraductor> uh...Visualante...you MUST be online, since you're on IRCA
[23:56] <tonytraductor> irc
[23:56] <VCoolio> Mahjongg: python /usr/lib/update-notifier/apt_check.py --help
[23:56] <tonytraductor> chucha la wea
[23:56] <Flare183> sebsebseb: oh, excuse me. I'm sorry
[23:56] <YankDownUnder> topobot, Security, function and usability.
[23:56] <tonytraductor> tiny keyboard = many typos
[23:56] <sweetpi> Flare183: Mac OS is no way based on the linux kernel
[23:56] <sebsebseb> topobot: Windows shoudn't really be connected to the Internet :D  since security reasons
[23:56] <topobot> gogeta:  remote connection
[23:56] <Visualante> Dr_Willis thanks, any other suggestions before i reboot? tony yes yes very amusing. I'm using my reliable Windows partition
[23:56] <Flare183> sweetpi: haha uname -a :P
[23:57] <topobot> ah ok
[23:57] <gogeta> topobot: windows can remote connection easly
[23:57] <tonytraductor> ha, now that IS funny...reliable+windows in the same sentence. ROFLMAO
[23:57] <YankDownUnder> That's an oxymoron
[23:57] <tonytraductor> hold on. I'll be back
[23:57] <Visualante> yes so funny, at least windows supports 1680x1050 and doesn't crash when i send ubuntu to sleep. Ubuntu runs like crap on my machines
[23:57] <gogeta> topobot: any os can remote into another os
[23:58] <nicofs> sebsebseb: well, windows might not be safe if connected to the internet - but you can connect it to the internet, which can't be said for my netbook running xubuntu...
[23:58] <sebsebseb> nicofs: uhmm ok sounds like a wireless issue
[23:58] <wolter> what scripts are run when i close my laptop lid for suspension?
[23:58] <YankDownUnder> topobot, If you want to have real and full capabilities with several different means by which to connect or control the machine, use unix/linux/bsd. Install Ubuntu
[23:58] <gogeta> nicofs: any os is safe on the net if you set it right
[23:58] <Mahjongg> VCoolio, sorry, I couldn't make myself clear, I'd like to my app to the autorun script that is run everytime a console sheel is opened just like the apt-check.py applicaiton. But I do not know which autostart script file that might be
[23:58] <topobot> if i connect remotely to a windows computer can i have access to all the computer, in the same way id be in front of the computer?
[23:58] <sebsebseb> nicofs: can probably configure Xubuntu so that works, or use some other distro instead
[23:58] <gogeta> nicofs: not using ie having a good anti vires
[23:59]  * YankDownUnder needs more coffee to make sense of it all
[23:59] <Dr_Willis> topobot:  with 'vnc' or freenx   - yes.
[23:59] <gogeta> topobot: yes
[23:59] <sebsebseb> nicofs: ndiswrapper allows the WIndows driver to work for wireless
[23:59] <Dr_Willis> topobot:  or that rdp stuff
[23:59] <sebsebseb> topobot: VNC is not secure by default,  it should be tunnelded over SSH or a VPN to make secure, when using over the Internet, if just connecting over a LAN then its ok
[23:59] <Jordan_U> deexannihilate: Ok, I've found what path wubi uses for root.disk. Can you boot from SG2D and press "c" to get to the grub shell?
[23:59] <sebsebseb> topobot: as for RDP not sure about that one, but probably similar


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[16:08] <DaSkreech> is xubuntu supported in the docs?
[16:08] <jjesse> yes
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[16:09] <DaSkreech> for the PureKDe page is there any plans to have a section for people who have upgraded from Xubuntu to Kubuntu?
[16:10] <jjesse> i don't know for sure, but we could make some i guess
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[00:56] <loswedseded> !ubottu, when will 24.04 be released?
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[01:01] <leftyfb> loswedseded: 24.04 will be released in April
[01:36] <dgutov> Well, it didn't last long: I got a crash again with a bracktrace I've seen previously: https://pastebin.com/cB1csEV2
[01:36] <dgutov> Googling shows previous reports shows pages like https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1836090 which went nowhere.
[01:36] <dgutov> But what do you know, "minimize.svg" (the only useful constant findable in the backtrace) does get referenced in many files inside<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(there are many themes in there which all use this filename).
[01:36] -ubottu:#ubuntu- bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1836090 in Fedora "[abrt] gnome-shell: _st_theme_resolve_url(): gnome-shell killed by SIGABRT" [Unspecified, Closed: Eol]
[01:37] <dgutov> I wonder where apport sent my crash info -- it apparently did, but I can't find any corresponding bug on launchpad. Perhaps I should report to gnome-shell directly.
[01:39] <sarnold> try this:
[01:39] <sarnold> xdg-open https://errors.ubuntu.com/user/`sudo cat /var/lib/whoopsie/whoopsie-id`
[01:46] <dgutov> sarnold: Thanks! I got this: https://errors.ubuntu.com/user/e941f0eddf365fe3fc22dc2de28329c4ac207d5a2f44dc1882ddc0fd47dc985420ee38c216133b5a658351cb00842cecb739f6abe111b82cffe3f8a9c7a98991
[01:46] <dgutov> This indeed look like my log of crashes, but I'm not able to view the contents of each individual one because "Sorry, you are not a member of a group that is allowed ..."
[01:47] <dgutov> Any chance you *are* a member of that group and can see any actual bug report(s) that got filed as a result? I'm not sure requesting access to see everybody's reports is the best course of action for me personally
[01:51] <sarnold> hrm, this thing doesn't make it easy to walk from the bug reports to the error bucket that they got put in :(
[02:13] <dgutov> Oh well. Thanks for trying. I reported that to gnome-shell in the meantime, let's see how they react.
[02:13] <sarnold> dgutov: yeah, I can't find anything that looks quite like yours :(
[02:13] <sarnold> dgutov: maybe move your extensions out of the way for a bit and see if that helps? it's weird that you've had a year without crashes, and last january, gnome-shell crashes..
[02:14] <dgutov> I've upgraded to GNOME 45.1
[02:14] <sarnold> try this on the extensions: cd ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/ ; mv extensions extensions.old
[02:15] <dgutov> I'm not sure if I was without crashes, to be honest. But in the past, gnome-shell restarted safely, more or less, keeping applications running (the Xorg session). With a recent bug in GNOME 45.1 it just crashes on an attempt to restart, so I switches to wayland. That helped for a few days, but not too much.
[02:17] <dgutov> The backtrace mentions a file name which belongs to an extension (and is referenced inside .css file in it). So it's *probably* related, but it hardly seems like the extension's fault.
[02:21] <sarnold> dgutov: the new gnome-shell design gives extensions a crazy amount of power -- crashes from them are pretty common :(
[02:28] <tomreyn> dgutov: you could try something along the lines of    gdb -q -n -ex 'continue' $(which gnome-shell) $(pidof gnome-shell)
[02:28] <tomreyn> but you'd need to do this from an ssh session you can control from another computer, so that you can still analyze the process once it crashes. or at least from a tty
[02:29] <tomreyn> you could do a 'bt full' in there once it does.
[02:31] <tomreyn> or, possibly easier, have the core file written elsewhere than the apport pipe it normally goes to, but on disk, and then analyze the core file later one.
[02:31] <sarnold> heh, gdb gives me that same reaction, too!
[02:31] <tomreyn> looks like gnome-shell crashed
[02:32] <dgutov> Well, that made my current gnome-shell session freeze XD
[02:32] <tomreyn> hmm sorry, the "continue" should have made it continue, not sure why it wouldn't
[02:33] <tomreyn> you can always type that out on the gdb prompt, as long as you can type something there
[02:34] <tomreyn> (other computer, ssh)
[02:34] <dgutov> Anyway, 'apport -g' turns a .crash file into a gdb session rather successfully. That's where I got the stack trace from.
[02:34] <dgutov> Sorry, 'apport-retrace -g'
[02:35] <tomreyn> ah that's possibly the better way.
[02:37] <dgutov> Ok, so you're suggesting to attach gdb waiting for the next crash? That sounds like a fine approach, maybe I'll do that if the gnome folks really decide to investigate and ask for some more information.
[02:37] <tomreyn> yes, this was my plan
[02:47] <dgutov> Hmm, LP#1788429 has a very similar backtrace. But it's 3.5 years old and apparently "fixed".
[02:47] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1788429 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGSEGV in g_file_get_parent → _st_theme_resolve_url → _st_theme_node_ensure_background → st_theme_node_paint_equal → st_widget_recompute_style → ... clutter_actor_show → ScreenShield::activate() → ScreenShield::lock()" [Low, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1788429
[02:51] <sarnold> dgutov: that certainly looks like it spends enough time in libst to match yours, even if the 'earlier' paths are pretty different -- but the error tracker's most recent entry there is from Wednesday, August 17, 2022 09:32 UTC
[02:52] <dgutov> Yup. And its related gnome-shell issue has a committed fix (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/-/issues/2757)
[02:52] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 2757 in GNOME/gnome-shell "Gnome shell crashes when screen lock attempted" [Closed]
[02:56] <sarnold> nice
[06:56] <poweruser__> irc.openjoke.org
[07:42] <Yakov84> When i use search in folder GUI filed for it, it freezes and says Files not responding
[08:15] <en1gma> im running ubuntu 22.04.3 lts amd64-desktop. im trying to use nautilus browser to ssh into another device to the / location. it puts me in home and i can not go higher up a level. i can do it with terminal and ssh. why cant i with nautilus
[08:19] <ravage> https://p.haxxors.com/mwnlsb7z.webm
[08:28] <en1gma> 'mc' lets me do it
[08:29] <en1gma> cool. i love mc anyway
[08:48] <olle> Did something weird happen with firefox on ubuntu last week(s)? It's eating my cpu for breakfast right now.
[08:48] <olle> Using Xubuntu 20.04 LTS
[08:48] <olle> Or Ubuntu 20.04.6 LTS
[08:49] <olle> Or maybe some video encoding/decoding driver has failed recently
[10:43] <manwhowouldbekin> Hi all! While troubleshooting issues with a file syncing app, I was led to check the version of OpenSSL installed on my Ubuntu. I found this https://pastebin.com/ayzJbikY That is, the version that is used by default on my system is that provided by Anaconda/Miniconda. How can I change that? Is there a way to do it via Anaconda itself? That is, if I could upgrade from 1.x.x to something like 2.x.x there, it would
[10:43] <manwhowouldbekin> probably work for me.
[12:44] <Kronos> Hi
[12:45] <Kronos> Does UncomplicatedFirewall use nftables?
[12:46] <Kronosphere> Hi. Does UncomplicatedFirewall use nftables?
[12:49] <ravage> there is only nftables
[12:49] <ravage> everything else is a wrapper
[12:53] <Kronosphere> Ok, my understanding is ufw uses iptables
[12:54] <Kronosphere> ufw's man page talks of iptables, but not nftables.
[13:06] <Kronosphere> hmmmmmmmm
[13:14] <hygl> I have got two dell latitude 5491 running 22.04/23.10 . On both, when I connect the power supply, they do not charge immateriality, but it takes half an hour or longer before they change from 'not charging' to 'charging'. Is there an option, that they start charging right after connected to the power supply?
[13:29] <pagios>  hi all, if i have file1.7z.001 file2.7z.002 etc, how can i extract them ?
[13:37] <sc6502> pagios, do you have 7z installed?
[13:59] <Lcawte> I'm getting a lot of complaints about cgroups (not existing) in my server logs from systemd/systemctl. Any idea where I start
[14:00] <Lcawte> I suspect it's somewhat related that SSHd won't start (sshd -t complains about missing priv seperation)
[14:04] <leftyfb> Lcawte: you have to be leaving out some critical details. What release of ubuntu? How exactly did you install it? What sort of hardware/hypervisor/container is it installed on? What types of really deep customizations have you made that would cause these sorts of issues?
[14:05] <leftyfb> Lcawte: A default install of ubuntu server onto an x86 or even arm device can install sshd and will not have any of the issues you described
[14:28] <Enissay> Hmm, I just noticed I have a couple movies on my NAS with creation dates in the future `-rwxrwxrwx 1 eny eny  16G Jan  1  2098 Nice.Movie.REMASTERED.1080p.BluRay.x264-GAZER.mkv
[14:30] <leftyfb> Enissay: I don't see how this relates to Ubuntu. Any number of things could have happened or is still happening on an almost infinite number of OS's
[14:31] <Enissay> I was just curious how that can occur to avoid it... Only a couple files had such thing out of many... I updated that manually anyway, so, just for info xD
[14:36] <Lcawte> leftyfb: Yes, my apologies. Was 20.04 on a dedicated box, 64bit. Wasn't an issue at boot (as far as I could tell, provider rebooted post PSU replacement) - not really any specific customizations, one additional cgroup directory. Rebooted and it's playing nice so far.
[14:42] <dgutov> In continuation of yesterday's chat, what if gnome crashes, with an entry like this:
[14:42] <dgutov> Jan 05 14:16:27 potemkin gnome-shell[3533]: #0   555bb20aa9d8 i   resource:///org/gnome/shell/ui/init.js:21 (3d2e25e70ba0 @ 48)
[14:42] <dgutov> Jan 05 14:16:27 potemkin gnome-shell[3533]: == Stack trace for context 0x555bb1fe39d0 ==
[14:42] <dgutov> Jan 05 14:16:27 potemkin gnome-shell[3533]: GNOME Shell crashed with signal 11
[14:42] <dgutov> ...but there is nothing else in the journal, and apport doesn't pick up the crash log? Is that a problem to look into further?
[14:43] <leftyfb> !paste | dgutov
[14:44] <dgutov> Here's a fuller excerpt: https://dpaste.com/DYBA5XEGH But there are just 3 important lines here, and anywhere, that I could find.
[14:45] <dgutov> I'm guessing it's again related to the external hdd's problems (either the disk itself, or the enclosure), but it's odd that the crash is not recorder, nor is it sent for collection. This might affect many others, and we wouldn't know.
[14:53] <Solarium> Good Day everyone, I need some help tracking down why my WiFi is intermittently just freezing up. Sometimes it happens on a long suspend, sometimes it happens if the laptop is sitting there, sometimes while I'm actually using it.
[14:53] <Solarium> I'm using Ubuntu 22.04.03 LTS on a Thinkpad P1 Gen 4. The Wifi card seems to be a Intel AX210 using the kernel driver iwlwifi. Is there perhaps proprietary intel drivers I need to get? I was looking around and couldn't find any, maybe I missed it.
[14:53] <Solarium> If anyone could help I'd appreciate it
[14:54] <leftyfb> Solarium: start by disabling wifi power save
[14:55] <Solarium> leftyfb Sure, I'll lookup how to do that, thanks. Does that mean that when the laptop is suspended, it won't power off the wifi card too? or only during operation. I appreciate it
[14:55] <leftyfb> no
[14:56] <Solarium> Ah ok thanks
[14:56] <leftyfb> power save has little to do with suspending the laptop
[14:56] <leftyfb> though suspend on all computers in general is a whole other set of problems. I tend to stay clear of that
[14:57] <Solarium> got you
[14:57] <Solarium> $ cat /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/*.conf
[14:57] <Solarium> [connection]
[14:57] <Solarium> wifi.powersave = 3
[14:57] <Solarium> I'll need to find what value to change that to I'm guessing
[14:57] <leftyfb> 2
[14:57] <Solarium> Ah ok, Thanks!
[14:59] <jeremy31> Solarium: also check results for iwconfig
[15:00] <Solarium> What specifically would I be looking for using iwconfig? link quality and retry short limit or something?
[15:00] <leftyfb> "Power MAnagement"
[15:00] <Solarium> It's set to on
[15:00] <leftyfb> A/a
[15:01] <leftyfb> chabnge your setting, reboot and see what it's set to
[15:01] <Solarium> Will do, Thanks a lot
[15:01] <Solarium> I'll change it and see if it happens more, If I'm not back have a great weekend!
[17:09] <dgutov> So... I set up a breakpoint with gdb in a VT (at Alt-F4), and when gnome-shell crashed this time, gdb aborted as well. No chance to print the backtrace or do anything: https://imgur.com/a/5G8Wnye (the "show logging" command is something I typed before the breakpoint was hit).
[17:09] <dgutov> Is that another symptom of faulty memory, or a misconfigured system? The external drive was disconnected this time.
[17:16] <leftyfb> dgutov: do you still have the defective drive plugged in?
[17:16] <dgutov> Unplugged since before the last crash (mentioned above)
[17:16] <leftyfb> dgutov: and do you have non-stock gnome extensions removed?
[17:22] <dgutov> No, those are still around. I'm trying to learn to produce useful backtraces for gnome-shell that would help fix any incompatibilities.
[17:23] <leftyfb> dgutov: step #1: find out what is causing the issue   step #2  report it as a bug   step #1.5 or #3 spend time trying to capture backtraces and dig into why thr cause is causing problems
[17:24] <leftyfb> the easiest method in this case would be to remove all added gnome extensions and see if the problem goes away. Then add them back in 1 at a time until the problem can be replicated
[17:24] <leftyfb> process of elimination
[17:24] <leftyfb> once you have your culprit, you can spend time looking further into the issue
[17:27] <dgutov> I only have ~3 non-trivial extensions, and one of them is Ubuntu's built-in (Indicators). The problem does not happen predictably, so eliminating the causes might take a while
[17:27] <dgutov> I tried to capture the backtrace - and it didn't work at all (gdb died on gnome-shell's sigsegv)
[17:29] <leftyfb> dgutov: you're already spending lots of time chasing cryptic messages. You can do both at the same time.  And reproduction might take a while: last time, the "good" period lasted several days, even with the extensions enabled.
[17:41] <dgutov> Anyway, switched them off now. I'll see what happens.
[17:45] <Yakov> guys, any suggestions upon my case?
[17:46] <leftyfb> Yakov: reboot or ignore it. Those are your only 2 options
[17:46] <Yakov> I need to do it every day
[17:46] <leftyfb> then you're doing something very wrong
[17:47] <Yakov> I have one app which is static, other secondary apps call their terminals which I need to kill
[17:47] <leftyfb> define "app" that "call their terminals"
[17:47] <Yakov> so I need to kill all terminal, excluding GUI and one terminal to do OS commands
[17:47] <Yakov> c++ application
[17:48] <leftyfb> custom?
[17:48] <Yakov> my app
[17:48] <leftyfb> ok, fix the bug causing the problem
[17:48] <leftyfb> it's making a syscall that is hanging forever
[17:48] <Yakov> well, it was just gnome-terminal I called with desktop file
[17:50] <leftyfb> Yakov: reboot, don't touch any custom apps. Does the stock gnome-terminal open and cloe on it's own using the built-in desktop file without problems?
[17:50] <leftyfb> close*
[17:50] <Yakov> yes
[17:51] <leftyfb> Yakov: then the problem is with your app
[17:51] <leftyfb> I recommend /join #c++ for help with tracking down the issue with it
[17:52] <Yakov> the thing is I did not called my cpp app in this boot, I'm just trying to find syntax
[17:53] <leftyfb> syntax for what?
[17:55] <Yakov> I've opened 4 terminals, I need to kill last 3 and keep first one
[17:55] <Yakov> https://justpaste.it/9wikd
[17:55] <Yakov> pgrep -P 5379 | xargs kill -9 removes tree of processes, but terminals themselves are still open
[17:56] <leftyfb> keep track of the PID's of the terminals you open and loop through that dict to kill the last 3
[17:56] <leftyfb> again, this is a #c++ issue, not ubuntu
[17:56] <Yakov> wait, I did not open my c++ app yet, its just stock gnome-terminal
[17:57] <leftyfb> then why are you trying to kill terminals using CLI? Just close the windows
[17:57] <leftyfb> with your mouse
[17:57] <leftyfb> or type "exit" in each terminal
[17:57] <Yakov> I need to kill 20 terminals, and keep two
[17:58] <leftyfb> ok, drop the 2 you want to keep over to a corner of your desktop and close the rest
[17:58] <leftyfb> why do you have 20 gnome-terminal windows open if you only want 2?
[18:00] <Yakov> I debug some shit :)
[18:13] <dgutov> Okay, I just had a crash again, with only two stock extensions (Ubuntu Dock and AppIndicators and another -- css-only -- extension called "Light Theme"):
[18:13] <dgutov> Jan 05 20:03:35 potemkin kernel: Code: 14 0f 1f 44 00 00 49 83 ed 08 4c 39 6c 24 10 0f 84 ee 02 00 00 48 8b 83 28 01 00 00 4c 89 e6 4a 8b 2c 28 48 8b 45 00 48 8b 00 <48> 8b 38 e8 bc>
[18:13] <dgutov> Jan 05 20:03:35 potemkin kernel: gnome-shell[3539]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f9730bb180c sp 00007fff422aff40 error 4 in libst-13.so[7f9730b86000+54000] likely on CPU 10 (core 4, socket>
[18:13] <dgutov> This one again wasn't captured by apport
[18:13] <leftyfb> damn, for Yakov: for PID in $(ps -ef |grep $(ps -ef |awk '/[g]nome-terminal/ {print $2}') |awk '/bash/ {print $2}'|head -n-3); do sudo kill -9 $PID ;done
[18:13] <leftyfb> but they left
[18:14] <leftyfb> dgutov: did you reboot after removing the extensions?
[18:14] <leftyfb> dgutov: also, "Light Theme" is not a stock extension. Remove it
[18:16] <dgutov> Yep. Although what I did was disable+reboot. Is that enough?
[18:16] <dgutov> Okay, I'll disable "light theme" as well
[18:17] <leftyfb> I would remove them entirely
[18:17] <leftyfb> you're trying to get back to as stock as you can get
[18:17] <leftyfb> eliminate anything non-default
[18:21] <dgutov> Okay, removed and rebooted
[18:36] <yes-ubuntu> hello... is it possible to upgrade from 22.10 straight to 23.10 ?
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> yes-ubuntu: 22.10 is end of life by now
[18:38] <yes-ubuntu> lotuspsychje: okay... my question still stands :)
[18:38] <leftyfb> yes-ubuntu: possible, yes. Likely to result in a stable system, no
[18:39] <yes-ubuntu> leftyfb: thank you. how can I invoke the upgrade procedure? :D
[18:39] <leftyfb> yes-ubuntu: non-LTS releases are only supported for 9 months
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> yes-ubuntu: i would not reccomend upgrading from eol versions, the longer you wait, the more security issues coul arise
[18:39] <leftyfb> yes-ubuntu: I might also point out, it's not supported and not recommended
[18:41] <yes-ubuntu> I can't really understand that... ok, it is how it is. However, if it was possible to upgrade from 22.10 to 23.04 and then to 23.10, why isn't it possible to do the upgrade now?
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> yes-ubuntu: leftyfb said its possible, we just dont reccomend it
[18:42] <leftyfb> yes-ubuntu: I would highly recommend just installing ubuntu 22.04 from scratch. Stick with LTS's unless you are going to be upgrading every 9 months
[18:42] <leftyfb> yes-ubuntu: or spend the time to upgrade manually through each version leading up to 23.10
[18:43] <yes-ubuntu> so, is it possible to revert from 22.10 to 22.04 and then upgrade to 23.10 ?
[18:43] <leftyfb> no
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> yes-ubuntu: and if you choose the non-lts road, please upgrade to the next release 'before' your current release is end of life
[18:43] <leftyfb> also, upgrading from 22.04 directly to 23.10 is also not officially supported
[19:09] <bernd> hallo
[19:31] <bernd> hello
[19:32] <onkel> moinsen
[19:32] <leftyfb> onkel: hello. What can we help you with?
[20:13] <akram> h
[20:15] <akram> can we use android in lubanto
[20:16] <tomreyn> akram: you can connect your computer running lubuntu to another runnnig android. and you can use virtualization or containment to run variants of android on (under) lubuntu.
[20:19] <NikNikovsky> does anyone know a way to get my wallpaper into Ubuntu?
[20:22] <tomreyn> NikNikovsky: you mean for everyone, or just for you?
[20:23] <NikNikovsky> for everyone to see
[20:25] <tomreyn> you could try to have it added to an existing package, by requesting addition to where the package source is hosted. or by talking to the package maintainer. or you could write and publish a blog post to explain how others can manually add it to their ubuntu installation.
[20:26] <NikNikovsky> i want to add it for EVERYONE to see, something like some people in the community did
[20:27] <yes-ubuntu> okay! I have installed 23.10 and I have edited /etg/default/grub with nano and before restarting the system, I would need to execute sudo update-grub, however, I get this error: "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of `/cow'." anyone could point me in the right direction? (I am still in the try ubuntu session, after having
[20:27] <yes-ubuntu> installed the OS to the disk)
[20:27] <tomreyn> NikNikovsky: there is usually a wallpaper competition for ubuntu, but there you'd neeed to comply with existing style guides, probably not what you're looking for. https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/mantic-minotaur-23-10-wallpaper-competition/37235
[20:30] <tomreyn> yes-ubuntu: you need to boot into the installed system first of all
[20:30] <tomreyn> there's another approach, but it's more complicated
[20:30] <yes-ubuntu> tomreyn: I thought so :)
[20:40] <peacefulman> for 22.04, anyone get auto screen resizing with virtualbox working? I installed the virtualbox guest modules, but it seems I have to manually set the resolution
[20:54] <yes-ubuntu> Hey! I have just installed Ubuntu 23.10 from a USB drive by selecting the Legacy USB at the one time bios boot menu. The screen was very pixel like (one pixel was huge on the screen)... nevertheless, the install went on (with nice graphics and good resolution) and after it finished, I removed the USB and restarted the system... and the same low
[20:54] <yes-ubuntu> resolution black and white text display appeared, saying, there is no boot drive found? I can't seem to be able to select the internal SSD not even from the one time bios boot menu?
[21:58] <mcc> Hello. I would like to upgrade the firmware on my laptop. There are several weird issues I am encountering.
[21:59] <mcc> One, the first time I tried to do it after getting a notification I had a firmware update available, I got an error indicating Ubuntu had apparmor rules preventing me from upgrading the firmware. That sounds smart, but is there not some way to escalate privs? https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/111/654/885/772/750/809/original/575d5ca6ca41f168.jpg
[22:01] <mcc> Two, when I went to try and test this again today, it says "Current version 0.1.30, Latest version 0.1.31" but hwen I click "Update to latest" it asks if I want to update Embedded Controller to "0.1.30". Why? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/OjPlnR2M/Screenshot%20from%202024-01-05%2016-57-39.png
[22:02] <mcc> Three, when I attempted to run the firmware updater tool in sudo, it just failed with a baffling error message. What does any of this mean? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ImkF1AiX/image.png
[22:02] <tomreyn> about "one": did you receive another message stating what you said a message stated, or just the message which you posted a screenshot of (i don't think *this* message says what you said your message said).
[22:03] <mcc> This is on Ubuntu 23.10
[22:04] <mcc> tomreyn: I'm sorry, I don't understand the question. I just got this big error box and then a second error box telling me not to reboot the computer while the firmware is updating. My comment about apparmor was a paraphrase. What I mean is it did not install and the error popup mentioned apparmor.
[22:04] <tomreyn> about "two": if you clicked on "update to latest", this looks like a bug in the firmware updater snap to me.
[22:04] <mcc> OK. Do you expect it is only a GUI error or might telling it to update do the wrong thing? Should I file this?
[22:05] <mcc> (Incidentally, it also seems like a bug to me that after failing to update firmware and showing a error box saying it had failed to update firmware, it afterward showed the second "do not reboot while we install" box, apparently contradicting both the first error box and what the app was doing at that moment.)
[22:05] <tomreyn> about "three": you should never run GUI applications as root
[22:06] <tomreyn> (there are some applications parts of which will need to gain elevated permissions, but that's a different thing, and they will take care of it by themselves)
[22:06] <mcc> Okay. Well, at the moment it appears the firmware updater snap is not correctly obtaining its elevated permissions
[22:08] <causative> wtf the gnome rdp server doesn't work if the gui is on the lock screen????
[22:10] <tomreyn> regarding your response "OK. Do you expect it is only a GUI error or might telling it to update do the wrong thing? Should I file this?" - i assume this is in response to my response to topic "A"? I fos: I'm not ebtirely sure what the effect of the error message presented is. what the message states is, i think, that apparmor rules prevented the firmware-updater application from getting a list of certain dbus properties from the running gnome
[22:10] <tomreyn> session.
[22:11] <causative> paternalistic pseudo-security crap
[22:11] <tomreyn> causative: you are welcome to have opinions, but this is a support place. do you have a support question?
[22:12] <causative> I want to remote desktop into my desktop, from my phone, wherever I am. This was working before. How do I get it working again.
[22:12] <causative> or vnc into my desktop, whichever.
[22:13] <leftyfb> causative: sudo apt install gnome-shell-extension-manager
[22:13] <tomreyn> mcc: regarding your remark in parenthesis, i would also agree that this seems like a bug, too.
[22:13] <leftyfb> causative: this will allow you to login remotely via RDP if it's on the lock screen, but not if you haven't logged in locally yet
[22:15] <mcc> tomreyn: Sorry, I was unclear. I guess I have three questions: (1) How should I proceed (as I want to upgrade my firmware but I do not currently appear to be able to)? (2) Do the oddities in topic A or B seem to imply bugs which should be filed? (3) In (b), when it asks if I want to update the embedded controller to 0.1.30, do you think it *means* 0.1.31 (eg: should I expect Update to update to 0.1.31, despite the message)?
[22:15] <tomreyn> mcc: regarding your remark "at the moment it appears the firmware updater snap is not correctly obtaining its elevated permissions", I think that elevated permissions and apparmor are not the same thing. i assume the firmware updater was able to gain elevated permissions, but some of what it tried to do seems to have been prevented by apparmor.
[22:15] <mcc> ok, perhaps so
[22:16] <tomreyn> mcc: on your next reboot you will see whether or not the firmware updater succeeded in staging a firmware update, in case this is yet unclear.
[22:16] <mcc> tomreyn: i am going to try to file some of these items if I can reproduce them after an apt upgrade. do you think it would be more helpful to file one bug per oddity (0.1.30/0.1.31 confusion, apparmor/dbus error, spurious second dialog after the apparmor/dbus error) or one superbug?
[22:16] <mcc> tomreyn: re "on your next reboot..." Oh. That makes sense.
[22:17] <tomreyn> unless it actually stated that preparing firmware update failed, it may well have succeeded despite of the (misleading, and not helpful) apparmore related error message.
[22:18] <mcc> i will try a reboot, then.
[22:18] <tomreyn> mcc: always file separate bugs, only after checking which of those already have been filed
[22:18] <causative> thanks leftyfb
[22:19] <tomreyn> leftyfb: installing the gnome shell extension manager will allow connecting via RDP to a screen locked gnome shell session?
[22:19] <tomreyn> if so, could you explain why? i'm just trying to lean, didn't know this.
[22:20] <tomreyn> *leaRn
[22:20] <leftyfb> sorry, missed a step
[22:20] <leftyfb> after you you need to install the allow-locked-remote-desktop extension
[22:20] <leftyfb> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/4338/allow-locked-remote-desktop/
[22:20] <JanC> that makes more sense  :)
[22:20] <leftyfb> yeah, sorry
[22:21] <tomreyn> causative: ^ i think this goes to you
[22:21] <leftyfb> googling for people and ansibling at the same time :)
[22:21] <causative> yeah I already got it, thanks
[22:22] <tomreyn> leftyfb: ah, glad we could clarify this one. :)
[22:22] <mcc> What is the package for the software updater? (this is about something separate from the firmware updater issue). I tried to search on the bug reporter and got "sorry, something went wrong with your search" https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/4gCYsFKH/image.png
[22:22] <causative> if my left shift, but not my right shift, is failing to work because of some software reason, is there anything I can do to fix it short of logging out?
[22:22] <causative> anything I can restart that would help?
[22:24] <tomreyn> you could try restarting your gnome-shell session on Xorg (won't work on wayland), by pressing alt-f2, typing "r" and pressing enter.
[22:24] <leftyfb> causative: I don't think so
[22:24] <tomreyn> replacing, not restarting, sorry
[22:24] <leftyfb> tomreyn: yeah, they were asking about this yesterday. It's not possible on wayland
[22:25] <tomreyn> There's always the chance that causative is running Xorg, I guess, unless you already clarified this yesterday, too.
[22:26] <tomreyn> mcc: it'S the ubuntu-software snap, i think
[22:26] <mcc> thakns
[22:27] <tomreyn> hmm apparently this is wrong, at least therE's no such snap listed on snapcraft.
[22:27] <tomreyn> .io
[22:28] <mcc> It doesn't matter because I pressed the return key inside the component button and it posted my issue (to the SQLite3 component) :(
[22:29] <tomreyn> i think it's https://snapcraft.io/snap-store
[22:30] <mcc> So it's too late now, unless I can reassign the bug component myself, or you can do it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sqlite3/+bug/2048405
[22:30] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2048405 in sqlite3 (Ubuntu) "multiple packages failed to install/upgrade: unable to create '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsqlite3.so.0.8.6.dpkg-new' (while processing './usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsqlite3.so.0.8.6'): Read-only file system" [Undecided, New]
[22:30] <mcc> I have just rebooted. As you predicted, the firmware DID update during the reboot. So that's great.
[22:31] <tomreyn> did it upgrade to the same version you already had, though, or to the newer version?
[22:31] <tomreyn> journalctl -b | grep DMI:
[22:31] <mcc> It upgraded to the newer version. 0.1.31.
[22:32] <mcc> It is possible(?) that the weird "upgrade to 0.1.30"? was caused by the fact the update had already run and was pending install.
[22:32] <tomreyn> good, so i guess you just have a misleading error message and a misbehaving firmware update (trying some restricted action which it probably should not be trying) and an incorrectly reported target version.
[22:32] <mcc> Yes. The "do not interrupt me while I'm installing this!" message was the correct one, not the error message.
[22:33] <tomreyn> mcc: which package should 2048405 be reassigned to?
[22:34] <tomreyn> (it does look quite sqlite related)
[22:34] <mcc> tomreyn: really? if you think it's sqlite related it can stay. as noted tho it happened with 3 different packages.
[22:35] <mcc> tomreyn: it should be assigned to whichever package owns the program that runs when I search in the "show apps" menu for "software updater" and click "software updater". above, you speculated it was snapcraft.io/snap-store.
[22:35] <tomreyn> mcc: i guess the real question is why you have a read-onl file system at /usr
[22:35] <mcc> tomreyn: yes, that's an interesting question. actually, it is persisting after a reboot
[22:36] <mcc> Or rather, after a reboot, attempts to run software updater results in this: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/mgIUbY13/image.png
[22:38] <tomreyn> hmm your dmesg (posted on this bug report) is full of suspends + resumes
[22:38] <mcc> over what time period?
[22:39] <mcc> I would expect several suspend+resume cycles a day because this is a laptop which spends most of its time closed and stowed under a desk.
[22:40] <mcc> Do you know what the component is for `/snap/bin/firmware-updater`, or how I would find out? the launchpad "select a package" search is not very helpful… :(
[22:40] <tomreyn> ~300k seconds
[22:41] <mcc> That's 83 hours. I have definitely suspend/resumed many times over the last 83 hours.
[22:42] <mcc> I attempted a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade and got the same read-only file ystem error.
[22:42] <tomreyn> actually 451545 s
[22:42] <tomreyn> 125h
[22:42] <mcc> well, same expectations.
[22:43] <tomreyn> well, try to find out why your file system is read-only
[22:43] <tomreyn> use journalctl
[22:43] <tomreyn> use mount
[22:43] <tomreyn> or   cat /proc/mounts
[22:43] <tomreyn> verify /etc/fstab
[22:43] <tomreyn> use lsblk and / or blkid
[22:44] <tomreyn> there are no bugs with those packages, your file system is not mounted, which is not related to these packages
[22:45] <mcc> I agree, which is why I wanted to file against software updater :( however from what you say maybe it is not the software updater either.
[22:45] <tomreyn> the software updater should not be causing your /usr file system to be mounted ro
[22:46] <tomreyn> and so far we have no indication that it did
[22:46] <mcc> might the firmware updater have done this?
[22:46] <tomreyn> we could speculate on random packages having caused it, or you could check your logs on what happened
[22:46] <mcc> like, locked the filesystem in anticipation of a reboot, then failed to set things right after the reboot. seems a little unlikely maybe...
[22:47] <tomreyn> no, this doesn't make any sense
[22:47] <mcc> ok.
[22:47] <tomreyn> it would prevent a clean shutdown
[22:48] <tomreyn> the firmware updater application just puts the firmware update in place where the firmware can then find it and update itself on reboot.
[22:48] <mcc> i have gathered all those things you asked for above, except for journalctl, which without further refinement goes back to oct 17.
[22:48] <mcc> I can post a zip here— there is no security/privacy concern with posting them in the irc channel is there?
[22:48] <mcc> /etc/fstab looks normal as anything to me , by which I mean I don't see any weird options.
[22:48] <bprompt> mcc:  there are places you can post a zip file for hosting btw
[22:49] <tomreyn> journalctl -b    get you the log of the active session,  -b -1   gets the one from before last reboot
[22:49] <tomreyn> ...and so on
[22:49] <mcc> bprompt: i believe irccloud does this for me, i just want to get a confirmation these drive GUIDs aren't sensitive information somehow
[22:49] <tomreyn> you can filter logs messages to only see warnings (-p4) or just errors (-p3)
[22:50] <tomreyn> --list-boots shows which session matches which time period
[22:51] <bprompt> mcc:  in essence, you can /dcc send NICK to anyone, doable with an irc client menu too, however the NICK must consent to receive it, and you'd want to first ask for allowing it, many may say no
[22:51] <tomreyn> there can be unique hardware IDs on the journalctl output (just liek on dmesg)
[22:52] <mcc> This is from current session journalctl, today: Jan 05 17:29:12 Anthy kernel: EXT4-fs (nvme0n1p3): mounted filesystem ecb1730b-cbe1-457c-a4f8-23e2eaf89020 ro with ordered data mode. Quota mode: none.
[22:52] <mcc> It doesn't say why it did that.
[22:52] <tomreyn> there could also be information you have entered / assigned, such as wlan access point names or your user accounts full name.
[22:53] <mcc> ok well hopefully that ecb thing i just posted isn't sensitive :P
[22:53] <tomreyn> where did it mount this one to, though / where does it usually get mounted to? it's not necessarily wrong to have ro mounts
[22:54] <tomreyn> filesystem and partition UUIDs are automatically generated, there is not much sensitive info in there, other than when they were generated.
[22:56] <mcc> https://data.runhello.com/j/ubuntu/readonly/readonly-fs-mystery.zip
[22:57] <mcc> those are the mountpoints and such
[23:00] <tomreyn> can you show the output of:  findmnt --target /usr
[23:00] <alcosta> Hi everybody! Is here leftyfb!
[23:01] <tomreyn> mcc: i'm guessing nvme0n1p3 is your /
[23:01] <mcc> I'd expect so
[23:01] <mcc> /usr sysext overla ro,relatime,lowerdir=/run/systemd/sysext/meta/usr:/run/systemd/sysext/extensions/cosmic-sysext/
[23:01] <tomreyn> though the lsblk output is weird
[23:01] <mcc> Hmm so this is interesting
[23:01] <mcc> I did install a systemd sysext
[23:01] <mcc> I forgot this until now because I thought it was insignificant
[23:02] <mcc> (sorry)
[23:02] <mcc> My expectation from the directions I followed was that this would result in an overlay of additional files visible in the /usr directory , not that it would supplant the /usr mountpoint entire with a readonly one
[23:03] <tomreyn> i'm not really familiar with systemd sysext, but a quick glance on the man page seems to suggest it does change things quite a bit. i suggest you undo it, if that's possible, or reinstall
[23:04] <mcc> yes, from the manpage "System extension images are strictly read-only, and the host /usr/ and /opt/ hierarchies become read-only too while they are activated." :(
[23:04] <mcc> well, that's easy to fix then.
[23:05] <tomreyn> possibly, but undoing the harm that the fact that /usr has been unwritable for a while may not be as easy to fix
[23:05] <tomreyn> you will see
[23:05] <tomreyn> maybe someone else here is more familiar with what you did.
[23:05] <alcosta> Eventually I solved the problem I discussed with leftyfb! Thanks to his suggestions!
[23:06] <Cahata> hello
[23:06] <alcosta> Now I have another problem, in some way similar to the previous one, but different!
[23:06] <Cahata> is ubuntu on rpi 5 usable as home pc ?
[23:06] <tomreyn> alcosta: thanks for reporting back (i don't know what  it was about). if you think it is useful knowledge, you could share how you solved it.
[23:07] <alcosta> Hi tomreyn! In the exact way leftyfb suggested me to work with it!
[23:07] <tomreyn> alcosta: nice. :)
[23:08] <tomreyn> Cahata: possibly, with limitations.
[23:09] <bprompt> Cahata:  last I bother checking, is just a headless version, streamlined, but is just headless, is all
[23:10] <alcosta> Hi have two desktop PC, PC A and PC B, running ubutnu 20.04. On PC A I have a Virtual Machine VMA, on PC B I have a Virtual Machine VMB. I wanted that all the machines can communicate therebeteen. All the Machines are running ubuntu 20.04.
[23:10] <tomreyn> Cahata: a SoC is not really comparable to a 'proper' desktop or laptop computer. but you should be able to run ubuntu on it in a usable way.
[23:10] <tomreyn> Cahata: i do assume that you can run a graphical desktop on it.
[23:10] <mcc> After removing the extension and rebooting I can now run software updater correctly. Tomreyn thanks for the help
[23:11] <tomreyn> mcc: you're welcome. i suggest closing you bug report(s) then, at least those you cannot reproduce now.
[23:12] <alcosta> Eventually, with the suggestions of leftyfb about the definition of a bridge network, I was able to connect all the machines! :)
[23:13] <mcc> I added a note to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sqlite3/+bug/2048405 requesting it to be closed, but if there is a button to close it myself I do not see it. Will changing status to "Invalid" do it?
[23:13] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2048405 in sqlite3 (Ubuntu) "multiple packages failed to install/upgrade: unable to create '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsqlite3.so.0.8.6.dpkg-new' (while processing './usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsqlite3.so.0.8.6'): Read-only file system" [Undecided, New]
[23:13] <Cahata> tomreyn that for sure... just intrested in small pc as a sandbox for torrents ...
[23:13] <Cahata> thanks for answers :)
[23:14] <tomreyn> mcc: yes, that's the only option there is
[23:15] <tomreyn> Cahata: it should work for a small torrent seed node as long as you don't expect to use too much bandwidth.
[23:15] <alcosta> Now, I would like to solve a similar problem, but a litle different: I have a PC A with a VMA, both running ubuntu 20.04 and a PC B, running windows 10, with a VMB running ubuntu 20.04. How can I enable the four machines to communicate therebetween?
[23:16] <tomreyn> whats a VMA and a VMB?
[23:17] <mcc> One more question. Is there a convenient way to get a window back into usable range when the title bar moves above the top of the screen? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/1BkSsNtf/image.png
[23:18] <tomreyn> ah i guess you mean "VM A" (as in "virtual machine one") and "VM B" (as in "virtual machine two")
[23:18] <bprompt> tomreyn: in essence he said, VM running on PC "A" and VM running on PC "B"
[23:18] <mcc> Ubuntu is constantly popping up this on-screen keyboard (I do not want this, ever, but I looked into it and there appears to be no way to disable it), when it pops up all the windows move upward to make room for it, and sometimes they don't move back down afterward
[23:18] <bprompt> alcosta: pardon my meddling, let's nevermind VM for a second, what are you trying to achieve at all?
[23:18] <tomreyn> mcc: hold down meta and move the window around anywhere on the window
[23:18] <leftyfb> alcosta: I would recommend you join #kvm to learn how to configure your VM's to utilize the bridges you created. Once you do that, they should all be on the same network as the hosts
[23:19] <alcosta> VMA is a Virtual Machine running ubuntu 20.04 on the PC A, whereas VMB is a Virtual Machine running ubutnu 20.04 on the PC B. In this case, PC B is running under Windows 10. Have I to define a similar bridge network under Windows 10? How have I to do that?
[23:19] <tomreyn> mcc: that's drag + drop with your mouse
[23:19] <mcc> tomreyn: sorry, i don't think I know what meta is. alt, ctrl, and compose did not do anything.
[23:19] <leftyfb> bprompt: 4 machines on the same network. 2 are hosts, 2 are VM's. We already created bridge interfaces on the hosts. Now the VM's need to be configured to use the bridge interfaces
[23:19] <tomreyn> mcc: "windows key"
[23:20] <mcc> Oh. I reassigned that to compose. Um. Hm.
[23:20] <bprompt> hmm ok
[23:21] <dgutov> mcc: There's this: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/3222/block-caribou-36/
[23:21] <mcc> dgutov: oh, that is great. thank you so much.
[23:21] <mcc> i have a laptop with a touchscreen so i literally never want or need the onscreen keyboard.
[23:21] <dgutov> np! same here
[23:22] <alcosta> Hi leftyfb, thank for your suggestions on bridge network. Eventually, it worked! All the machines can communicate therebetween! Now, a bit different situation: what if when PC B is running Windows 10 and the other three Machines are running ubuntu 20.04?
[23:22] <leftyfb> alcosta: ok?
[23:23] <leftyfb> alcosta: if all machines are on the same network (check the ip addresses, they should all be the same except for the last octet) then they are all "connected".
[23:23] <alcosta> Under ubuntu 20.04 the four Machines are correctly working! They communicate all together!
[23:24] <mcc> I think I am not going to file my issues with firmware-updater because the chances they are due to the readonly filesystem issue are so high.
[23:25] <tomreyn> mcc: i'd make the same choice, and keep an eye on whether they re-occur next time a firmware upgrade is available
[23:25] <mcc> makes sense. thanks
[23:26] <alcosta> Now I'm trying to work with another condition, you can also consider a new PC C, running Windows 10, with a Virtual Machine running ubuntu 20.04.
[23:26] <leftyfb> alcosta: you need to /join #windows for that
[23:26] <alcosta> In the real case, PC C is the same computer B in condition of dual booting with Windows 10.
[23:27] <alcosta> Ah, there is a channel windows too! Good to know!
[23:27] <leftyfb> alcosta: if Windows is the host, then you need to go to #windows for support with creating a bridge interface for that host
[23:29] <alcosta> Ah, OK! Thank you leftyfb! I will do this way! I will ask in windows channel! Thank you again for the suggestions about bridge network! This was a good week for me! Great job well done! :)
[23:35] <alcosta> And a last (maybe but.. maybe not last too!) question: I developed a new App that partially is coded in nodejs and partially in python (among some other things). The way I used for communicating data between nodejs and python is through pipe files available under ubuntu 20.04 (and linux in general). I want the same App can work under windows 10 (or 11, is good too).
[23:36] <leftyfb> alcosta: that's beyond the scope of this channel. Try #python or #nodejs
[23:36] <leftyfb> !alis | alcosta
[23:38] <alcosta> AH, ok! Thank you leftyfb and ubottu! I'm new in this chat, I'm using it from less than two weeks! Thank you again in any way! :)
[23:40] <bprompt> alcosta: https://netsplit.de/channels/?net=freenode   <---- you can do a quick channels search there as well
[23:41] <bprompt> alcosta: some of the guys at #javascript also do nodejs btw, since it's really just js for the server
[23:45] <alcosta> ubottu - I write as you said: «/msg Alis help list» but... nothing happens!
[23:46] <alcosta> here as in #libera!
[23:47] <alcosta> Any way, I will ask in #windows - #python and #nodejs! Thanks again!
[23:50] <Bashing-om> alcosta: Alis' output will show in a new window.
[23:52] <bprompt> alcosta: https://netsplit.de/channels/?net=Libera.Chat    <---- updated  link, to search channels
[23:52] <bprompt> gave you an old one before
[23:52] <alcosta> Bashing-om, I don't see any new window!
[23:54] <Bashing-om> alcosta: running the command like:  /msg Alis help list ?
[23:55] <Kangarooo> For triaging bug report. To check a bug, i would like to know is this good strategy- to find all files containing shortcut meta, so i can find shortcuts configuration files is it good to search all files? what search would be best?
[23:56] <alcosta> Bashing-om - I cut and paste /msg Alis help list and nothing happens!


[12:04] <studentz> Hi there
[21:21] <Hascal> Hi there. I need some help creating a boot disk. I am running a PowerPC G4 Mac. I have burned disks but I don't think I'm doing it right cause it my Mac doesn't boot from it (I hit "c" while booting).
[22:01] <davmor2> evand1: evening
[22:02] <davmor2> evand1: I'm running a wubi-r126 to see if it fixes the issue compressed vista issue :)