[00:20] <valorie> apachelogger: I fooled it into thinking it was a final release
[00:21] <apachelogger> valorie: nothing is ever final, who's final?
[00:21] <valorie> ScottK, I think it was, gave me an entry to put in my accept.hosts file
[00:21] <apachelogger> actually maybe it'd be final, but then it'd be dead, so probably not final considering there's a relase
[00:21] <valorie> now I've removed it, so I can't recall what it was exactly
[00:22] <ScottK> jr set up a fake metarelease file that valorie  pointed at to simulate saucy having been released.
[00:22] <valorie> looked exactly like it's always looked when I waited for a notification rather than loading up the beta or whatever
[00:23] <apachelogger> ah, distro upgrade
[00:23]  * apachelogger almost had  segfault there
[00:24] <apachelogger> it's just a silly issue
[00:24] <apachelogger> chances are .1 fixes it though
[00:24] <apachelogger> or at least makes it less likely
[00:24] <apachelogger> that is if my guess at the cause is actually right
[00:25] <apachelogger> and if it's not that it would most likely be a bug in metarelease, which would be odd but at least out of our realm of responsiblity
[00:25] <apachelogger> -> bed
[00:26] <valorie> ok, final wasn't the right term, sorry
[00:26] <valorie> sweet dreams of unicorns
[00:27] <ahoneybun> on jury duty
[00:27] <ahoneybun> *oh
[00:27] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[00:27] <valorie> oooo, they let you use your phone?
[00:27] <valorie> that's cool
[00:27] <valorie> I haven't done jury duty for years
[00:27] <valorie> and yet some get called every 6 months or so
[00:28] <valorie> wierd system we have
[00:33] <ahoneybun> no I'm home now
[00:34] <ahoneybun> but I got picked out of like  40
[00:34] <ahoneybun> there are 8 of us in total
[00:35] <valorie> yes, it's odd how huge the pool is, and then how few are chosen
[00:35] <valorie> I was on a jury of 8 as well
[00:37] <ahoneybun> yea
[02:03] <ahoneybun> hey lordievader
[02:07] <manchicken> !seen jontheechidna
[02:08] <manchicken> Anybody seen Jon T?
[02:21] <ScottK> Not for awhile.
[02:54] <ahoneybun> hey Riddell
[02:54] <ahoneybun> hey valorie I got a answer back about ubuntuguide
[02:54] <valorie> cool
[02:54] <valorie> I was just now reading through it
[02:55] <ahoneybun> oh
[02:55] <valorie> what did s/he say?
[02:55] <ahoneybun> I got 2 emails from different people dealing with it
[02:55] <ahoneybun> one is a long and the other not so much
[02:56] <valorie> anything of significance?
[02:56] <ahoneybun> trying to put it in a pastie
[02:57] <ahoneybun> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6362426/
[02:58] <ahoneybun> but the short one says we should combine our effects
[02:58] <valorie> from two different people?
[02:58] <valorie> your pasted person sounds a bit grumpy
[03:01] <ahoneybun> yea I think one forwarded the other the email
[03:03] <valorie> huh
[03:03] <ahoneybun> he is the main person in charge of the wiki
[03:03] <valorie> kde bnc was kicking up a fuss
[03:04] <ahoneybun> I emailed someone and then they forwarded it to the main man
[03:05] <valorie> ok
[03:05] <valorie> anyway, I think we should offer to join forces
[03:06] <valorie> because I like their system
[03:06] <valorie> and having grumpy people doing side projects sounds like a bad idea anyway
[03:06] <valorie> too much grumpiness already
[03:07] <ahoneybun> valorie, well he says he is doing maintenance of the site not really writing on it
[03:07] <valorie> somebody is doing the writing.....
[03:09] <ahoneybun> does it have the translation we need?
[03:11] <ahoneybun> so we want to host the docs there?
[03:11] <valorie> I don't see any translations for it
[03:12] <valorie> however, they could install the translation system that the KDE wiki uses
[03:12] <ahoneybun> oh
[03:13] <valorie> so I think it would be good to do a nice discussion with them
[03:13] <valorie> they may not know about the translation tool
[03:14] <ahoneybun> ok I sent a email about it
[03:14] <valorie> cool, please CC me on that stuff
[03:14] <valorie> so I can enter into the conversation
[03:15] <valorie> sec
[03:15] <ahoneybun> oh the next email I'll add you into it
[03:15] <ahoneybun> sorry
[03:22] <valorie> np; I just thought of it
[03:22] <valorie> gonna watch the news for a bit; bbl
[03:23] <ahoneybun> ok
[07:03] <soee> good morning
[07:07] <Quintasan> \o
[07:08] <soee> o/
[07:25] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:44] <menace> how can i change the status of a bug? i added the crash handler text as requested in https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327130
[10:47] <apachelogger> menace: you cannot, that's up to a dev/triager
[14:16] <yossarianuk> hi - a work colleague's machine is having an issue downloading the nvidia package (only) - he tried using additional drivers to install 319.60
[14:16] <yossarianuk> it just stayed @ 0 %
[14:17] <yossarianuk> cancelled that,  did apt-get clean -  apt-get update - then tried to download with apt-get -d install nvidia-319-updates
[14:17] <yossarianuk> it just keeps downloading the package -  over and over (and over, etc) forever
[14:18] <yossarianuk> its only nvidia packages this is occurring on - other packages download/install fine.
[14:18] <yossarianuk> any ideas why
[14:18] <Riddell> yossarianuk: I don't know I'm afraid, support in #kubuntu
[14:18] <yossarianuk> ok - i did ask there but didn;t get a solution...
[14:22] <apachelogger> yossarianuk: -d = download
[14:22] <apachelogger> as in: download-only
[14:23] <yossarianuk> apachelogger: sorry i should have said I was using the -d option.
[14:23] <yossarianuk> it gets to 100% and restarts
[14:23] <yossarianuk> only for nvidia packages
[14:24] <yossarianuk> and only for the driver packages, not the settings package
[14:24] <yossarianuk> which is odd
[14:24] <apachelogger> try another mirror then
[14:24] <apachelogger> kdesudo software-properties-kde
[14:24] <yossarianuk> ok - will do
[14:24] <apachelogger> it may well be that the download fails/aborts/corrupts and that's why it tries to download again
[14:24] <yossarianuk> I'll copy over my sources.list
[14:24] <yossarianuk> thanks
[14:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: could you test muon from the 2.1 branch?
[14:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: some fixes are done?
[14:30] <shadeslayer> yep
[14:30] <Riddell> lovely
[14:31] <shadeslayer> and could you reproduce kde bug 327125
[14:31] <shadeslayer> because I can, but it should be fixed
[14:31] <Riddell> I'll try
[14:31] <shadeslayer> so maybe its just my system being weird
[14:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: umm well first thing is muon-updater has the banner saying "A new version of Kubuntu is available." which isn't true
[14:53] <shadeslayer> I don't have that here
[14:53] <apachelogger> omgomogmgomg
[14:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: paste .cache/upstart/startkde.log
[14:54] <shadeslayer> maybe because of http://pastebin.kde.org/pugpuag13
[14:54] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[14:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: sometimes it also gives a python traveback on startup http://pastebin.kde.org/pdpqmrwh4
[14:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: and try python3 /usr/share/kde4/apps/muon-notifier/releasechecker; echo $?
[14:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: snap
[14:54] <apachelogger> that traceback is normal
[14:54] <apachelogger> metarelease seems overly shitty
[14:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: releasechecker gives me that traceback and $? is 1
[14:56] <apachelogger> :@
[14:56] <apachelogger> sillest issue in the world
[14:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, startkde.log plz
[14:57]  * apachelogger ponders enabling debug on releasechecker
[14:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw kde bug 326178 seems like a issue in s-p-k
[14:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/startkde.log if you really want it
[15:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[15:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: discover invokes spk with the flag that makes it not update the cache
[15:05] <apachelogger> but discover itself does not update the cache
[15:05] <apachelogger> so no one updates the cache
[15:05] <shadeslayer> except that I think that s-p-k ignores that flag
[15:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: it's very fortunate that I removed the related debug ysterday xD
[15:06] <apachelogger> ok, log doesn't help
[15:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: can you reproduce the distro version thing across restarts of muon?
[15:07] <apachelogger> easy enough to tesT?
[15:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^
[15:07] <shadeslayer> I cannot
[15:07] <shadeslayer> I am on trusty
[15:08] <apachelogger> and trust doesnt have spk?
[15:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: it sometimes has that new disto notice and sometimes gives the python traceback
[15:08] <apachelogger> that's better than what I get
[15:09] <apachelogger> lemme fix you up a new relesechecker real quick
[15:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: all I get is the traceback and no new release
[15:09] <apachelogger> actually
[15:09] <shadeslayer> because I am on the latest release maybe?
[15:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: export DEBUG_UPDATE_MANAGER=1
[15:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: then try to trigger the bogus notification and paste the CLI output
[15:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: for spk? what?
[15:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: for muon checking release
[15:11] <apachelogger> I am talking about spk with you and about relesechecking with Riddell :P
[15:11] <apachelogger> see, I am supposed to get confused, not you :P
[15:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6365144/
[15:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh and please open ksysguard and filter for muon ... check that there is only ever one python3 running
[15:16]  * apachelogger needs to fix his name resolution
[15:17] <apachelogger> hm
[15:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: looks like only one python3 is run, tried it three times
[15:17]  * genii kicks repeatedly and viciously at his Muon
[15:18] <apachelogger> what if it is not the script that causes the race condition but metarelease itself
[15:18] <apachelogger> hmmmmmmmmmmm
[15:19] <apachelogger> or what if it used to be a script race and I turned it into a thread race yesterday
[15:22] <Riddell> you are making muon threaded?
[15:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6365183/
[15:23] <apachelogger> no, metareleas is threaded
[15:23] <apachelogger> in the worst possible way
[15:24] <apachelogger> __init__ starts download in a thread
[15:24] <apachelogger> but there is no way to tell when that thread/download is done through inter-locking because metarelease is no qobject or has callbacks or anything
[15:25] <apachelogger> so if you call download while the threaded download is running it will most certainly have reentrancy problems because download most likely writes to members (most certainly bool downloading)
[15:26] <apachelogger> all of the above is why sane code would not flipping thread a function call through __init__
[15:26] <apachelogger> but how oftne do I get to deal with sane code :(
[15:26] <apachelogger> interestingly enough aptdaemon-packagekit compat thing also manually calls download() so it supposedly has the same problem
[15:28] <apachelogger> anyway
[15:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: please try that new releasechecker see if it also exhibits the problem
[15:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: on the pastebin?
[15:29] <apachelogger> yeah
[15:30] <Riddell> ok, am also following frameworks meeting, will be slow
[15:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6365229/
[15:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: still reproting bogus availability?
[15:36]  * apachelogger needs to figure out how ubuntu checks for releases
[15:37] <Riddell> the same way isn't it?
[15:37] <apachelogger> well, but what calls it
[15:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: release upgrade banner does not show yay
[15:37] <apachelogger> the only reference I found was the packagekit compat and I am not sure that is used
[15:37] <apachelogger> hm
[15:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: best try for the next hour or so :P
[15:38] <apachelogger> so I think it can be a file race, but I turned it into a thread race yesterday, which made it more reliably reproducible
[15:51] <apachelogger>         # this is needed because gtk is not thread-safe
[15:52] <apachelogger> haha
[15:52] <apachelogger> so this is really how they are using it
[15:52] <apachelogger> basically a 1 second timer calling a function to check if the other thread is done yet
[15:52]  * apachelogger has headache now
[16:06] <davmor2> apachelogger: stop banging your head on the desk then
[16:08] <apachelogger> butbutbut
[16:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: git pull
[16:08] <apachelogger> should be fixed again
[16:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: muon?
[16:09] <apachelogger> yes
[16:10] <apachelogger> alas, you can still get a race however it's extremely unlikely and not very trivial to prevent
[16:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: +    # MetaReleaseCore internally runs .download() in a thraed. It has however no
[16:12] <shadeslayer> thraed
[16:12] <shadeslayer> ...
[16:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hmm I'm having it hang on Loading Software List http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/muon.png
[16:21] <shadeslayer> same as me then
[16:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: plz comment on https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327125
[16:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you try deleting a PPA from muon-discover -> Sources
[16:23] <shadeslayer> because it crashes for me here
[16:23] <shadeslayer> I can also not disable PPA's in discover by unchecking the tickbox next to them
[16:24] <shadeslayer> see KDE bug 327178
[16:28]  * Riddell tries
[16:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes I get a crash on deleteing one
[16:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yep, that's another one
[16:30] <shadeslayer> haven't reported a bug for that one
[16:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: is there a bug or shall I report one?
[16:30] <Riddell> ok I'll do it
[16:30] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.kde.org/poatgfnaf#line-84
[16:30] <shadeslayer> go ahead
[16:32] <shadeslayer> hummm
[16:33] <shadeslayer> works for me now
[16:33] <shadeslayer> okay nope
[16:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kde bug 327179
[16:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: plz install dbg symbols?
[16:35] <Riddell> ah hmm, it's self compiled
[16:38] <Riddell> hmm crash seems to be in qt
[16:42] <shadeslayer> more like libqapt?
[16:42] <shadeslayer> #6  0x00007f298713ceaf in debListParser::LoadReleaseInfo(pkgCache::PkgFileIterator&, FileFd&, std::string) () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-pkg.so.4.12
[16:42] <shadeslayer> for me
[16:42] <Riddell> nothing about qapt in my backtrade, maybe you should add yours to the bug report
[16:47] <shadeslayer> will do once I compile qapt with dbg symbols
[18:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I have a fix for the crash-on-removing-ppa's
[18:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.kde.org/pczpi1lkq
[18:43] <shadeslayer> ideally I'd disable the add source button till the user is done adding everything, or, only reload the list once the user is done adding everything
[18:50] <shadeslayer> ScottK: Riddell what's the policy on LGPL libs linking against openSSL?
[19:00] <soee> ee does the muon updater works ?
[19:01] <soee> looks like ... not
[19:24] <shadeslayer> soee: still fixing things
[19:24] <shadeslayer> 2.1 branch has alot of fixes
[19:25] <soee> shadeslayer, ok :) for me its not a problem :) i can do updates from muon or terminal -.-
[19:25] <soee> just clicked now updater when i saw it
[20:33] <soee> thers no 4.11.3 release info yet ?
[20:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: LGPL is fine with SSL I'm pretty sure
[20:43] <shadeslayer> ack
[20:43] <shadeslayer> d_ed is/was moaning about how the qcal ssl plugin is split from qca2
[20:43] <shadeslayer> on the ktp mailing list
[20:44] <shadeslayer> and I was curious as to why it's split into its own plugin when according to him it was inside qca2 at one point
[20:44] <shadeslayer> anyway, dinner
[20:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so GPL code can us eit
[20:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so GPL code can use it
[20:44] <Riddell> Qt was GPL until recently
[20:44] <Riddell> many applications are GPL
[21:16] <shadeslayer> ack
[22:15] <mamarley> debfx: I just posted an updated Upstart script for Quassel.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quassel/+bug/1244036
[22:15] <mamarley> It uses start-stop-daemon now, so it should solve the problem you were having.
[22:15] <mamarley> Also, I had to hardcode the path to quasselcore, otherwise start-stop-daemon wouldn't find it.
[22:15] <mamarley> Sorry for the delay; I have been quite busy with school.
[22:25] <mamarley> ScottK: You might be interested in this too^


[19:07] <jouk> noob here, I have an error in my /etc/init/foo.conf. I fixed the file, but when I try to "stop", the fix is not present. It looks like it's using a cached file somewhere
[19:07] <jouk> How do I make upstart "reload" my new foo.conf?
[19:11] <astrumas> jouk: Is this what you mean? http://upstart.ubuntu.com/faq.html#reload
[19:12] <astrumas> Supposedly it should do it automatically, but looks like you can force it.
[19:13] <jouk> hm, the problem is that the "stop" command does not work (that's what I fixed)
[19:13] <jouk> so when I try to initctl reload, the same error occurs
[19:14] <astrumas> Hmm... is it safe for you to kill the job the hard way?
[19:14] <astrumas> Or even reboot the machine if thats possible in your environment, heh
[19:15] <jouk> astrumas: what's the hard way?
[19:17] <astrumas> initctl list, find your running jobs, "process XXX", where XXX should be the PID, then "kill XXX".
[19:17] <astrumas> Essentially kill all the jobs that use that config and try to restart them.
[19:17] <jouk> oh, yeah I can do that. let me give it a shot


[00:25] <akgraner> pleia2, everything is in except the security and updates section
[01:05] <pleia2> akgraner: great, I'll work on those now :)
[01:06] <akgraner> ok I think actually got the scrips to run here - had to reinstall beautiful soup
[01:07] <akgraner> beautifulsoup even
[01:09] <pleia2> oh, looks like you got them then
[01:09] <akgraner> just the security and updates I'll post those :-)
[01:09] <pleia2> cool :)
[01:10] <pleia2> when you run the script you just need to look at the past week to see where the last ones left off
[01:10] <pleia2> then post the following ones in
[01:12] <akgraner> ahh ok I was going to ask that - let me do that part
[01:12] <akgraner> I'm just excited I figured it out :-)
[01:12] <pleia2> :D
[01:19] <akgraner> pleia2, ok I cleaned up what I added to the securities and updates
[01:20] <akgraner> they are numbers how cool
[01:20] <akgraner> let me try one of the releases unless you've already pulled them
[01:20]  * akgraner is giddy :-)
[01:22] <pleia2> nope, go for it
[01:23] <akgraner> k
[01:34] <akgraner> pleia2, I think I got them all :-)
[01:34] <akgraner> I looked at the last issue to see what the last update was and copied the ones below that one
[01:35] <akgraner> but since this is my first time running those can you just glance over them :-)
[01:36] <akgraner> so I had to re-install beautiful soup and add 'python' to the front of what to run and bam they just worked :-)
[01:36] <akgraner> woo hoo
[01:36] <pleia2> akgraner: yep, looks good!
[01:36] <akgraner> so all we need to add now is In this Issue :-)
[01:37] <pleia2> do we want to put in September team reports?
[01:37] <akgraner> pleia2, thanks - I am sooooooooo sooooooo soooooo happy - I feel all geeky now
[01:37] <pleia2> we haven't included them in any UWN yet
[01:37] <akgraner> sure do you have them
[01:37] <akgraner> I was going to email the reminder to the teams for October tomorrow
[01:37] <pleia2> yeah, we just link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/September2011
[01:37] <pleia2> very simple :)
[01:37] <akgraner> so we can include them next week
[01:38] <akgraner> sure go for it :-)
[01:38] <pleia2> k
[01:38] <akgraner> I'd like to get back in the habit of including those so teams feel like they aren't just doing them for the sake of re-approval but so that other teams can learn from each other etc
[01:39] <akgraner> I think it's sorta important to share that - but that could just be me
[01:39] <pleia2> we've been including the link each month
[01:39] <akgraner> at first I didn't but when I thought about it - I can really see it's more than just linking to what a team did or didn't do for a month
[01:40] <pleia2> more than the link was too much work :\
[01:40] <akgraner> oh cool - I don't know how I missed that :-)
[01:40] <akgraner> yeah I know - but I want to remind teams to look at it
[01:41] <pleia2> Issue232 is the last one we included it in, for August's report
[01:41] <pleia2> we did September late because I was slacking on writing reports for my teams ;)
[01:41] <pleia2> anyway, September added
[01:42] <akgraner> cool :-) NC is slacking big time - I can say that b/c I'm supposed to be doing them :-(
[01:42] <pleia2> I have a list of all the ones I do every month
[01:43] <pleia2> cc, americas, california, classroom, women
[01:43] <pleia2> usually sit down for an hour all at once and do them all
[01:46] <akgraner> pleia2, hat tip to you  :-)  you make me feel like I'm such a slacker ;-)
[01:46] <akgraner> just teasing you
[01:46] <akgraner> pleia2, you still in the wiki?
[01:51] <pleia2> nope I'm out
[01:53] <akgraner> ahh ok  - Was going to say if you were in just sang the In This Issue topics
[01:53] <akgraner> but I'll knock it and we can update in the morning as necessary
[01:53] <akgraner> pleia2, we are back on schedule - how cool is that!
[01:53] <pleia2> :D
[01:54] <akgraner> Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!
[02:08] <akgraner> pleia2, I'll add that tomorrow - I need to find my pillow :-) thanks for letting me figure out those scripts
[02:09] <pleia2> of course :) thanks for adding them
[02:09] <pleia2> have a good night!
[15:16] <akgraner> pleia2, talked to dholach who said to just post the announcement on the Fridge and include in UWN today
[15:16] <akgraner> so I am working on that now
[15:17] <akgraner> so we have a link include
[15:54] <akgraner> ok news team does anyone have time to re through UWN one more time before I publish?
[15:54] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue238
[15:55] <akgraner> s/re/read
[16:10] <pleia2> akgraner: thanks :)
[16:11] <akgraner> so everything is done we just need to publish - was just hoping for someone to do a quick read over before I did
[16:12] <pleia2> stuck with a work thing at the moment, I'll try if no one else gets to it in a bit
[16:24] <akgraner> pleia2, no worries...nigeb do you have 10 mins or so to read through the newsletter
[16:24] <akgraner> or holstein
[16:24]  * holstein looking
[16:25] <akgraner> wiki
[16:25] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue238  <------- holstein
[16:29] <holstein> looks solid through loconews
[16:29]  * holstein glances through the planet and runs off
[16:31] <akgraner> thanks
[17:04] <akgraner> I'll publish in an hour  - to give anyone else who wants to read through it the opportunity to spot check it for me
[17:05] <nlsthzn> akgraner, all summaries completed?!
[17:20] <pleia2> looking now, and pushed this to fridge https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2011-October/000906.html
[17:20] <pleia2> nlsthzn: we try to get summaries done on the weekend, we've been late these past few weeks :) we're back on track
[17:24] <akgraner> pleia2, thanks
[17:27] <nlsthzn> pleia2, sucks when I work day shift over the week-ends... no time... oh well, let us see next one :)
[17:30] <pleia2> noooo, I made a bunch of edits and then the wiki tanked on me :(
[17:31] <pleia2> ok, reloading and grabbing the draft got most of them back...
[17:32] <akgraner> ok - I'll wait
[17:32] <pleia2> akgraner: btw, I've been making the "in this issue" section shorter so it's not so tedious to link everything on ubuntu-news, just picking out highlights rather than everything
[17:33] <akgraner> I used all the GCN and Planet and In other news the rest I left as sections
[17:33] <pleia2> s/ubuntu-news/fridge
[17:33] <akgraner> the ones after release are always longer...
[17:33] <pleia2> ok
[17:33] <pleia2> I was only picking out select planet ones that seemed important
[17:33] <akgraner> but you can shorten while you're in there
[17:33] <akgraner> :-)
[17:34] <akgraner> that's cool with me
[17:34] <pleia2> already done
[17:34] <pleia2> was just making a suggestion :)
[17:34] <akgraner> :-)
[17:35] <akgraner> yeah it used to be a lot longer
[17:36] <akgraner> and we removed the names when we put them on the Fridge
[17:36] <akgraner> it was crazy formating my hand
[17:36] <akgraner> I am so glad it's not like that anymore
[17:55] <akgraner> pleia2, thank you
[17:55] <akgraner> I had looked at everything so much I totally missed those errors
[17:55] <pleia2> thanks for getting this out the door :)
[17:55] <pleia2> that's why we have multiple editors!
[17:55] <akgraner> so are we good to go now - if so I'm publishing
[17:55] <pleia2> I think so
[17:55] <akgraner> pleia2, you got that right
[17:55] <akgraner> the more publishers the better
[17:56] <akgraner> it only took a year to break the "that's the way we've always done" syndrome
[17:56] <pleia2> :)
[17:56] <akgraner> and that pretty quick all things considered
[17:56] <pleia2> yep
[17:57] <pleia2> ok, back to work for me, else I'm going to end up working late every day I'm here this week (which would be unfun!)
[17:57] <pleia2> my poor boss is freaking out over losing me for over a week
[17:58] <pleia2> (I think this is the longest I've been away the whole time I've worked here)
[18:00] <akgraner> Leadership meeting  - in -meeting now
[18:46] <akgraner> pleia2, forgot I have a leadership team meeting  - taking a break to get something to drink *then* I'll publish
[18:47] <akgraner> I have 2 meetings on Monday's so ahhhhh :-) in a good way!
[19:43] <akgraner> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here:
[19:43] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue238
[19:43] <akgraner> Thanks Everyone for another great week!
[19:51] <pleia2> thanks akgraner :)
[19:52] <akgraner> you're welcome :-)
[19:52] <akgraner> I'll fix the wiki pages and stuff in just a sec- finishing the fridge post now
[20:24] <akgraner> ok it's published everywhere, wiki updated, goggledoc ready and new Issue 239 wiki created and 238 added to archives....
[22:44] <akgraner> pleia2, I've published UWN from UDS before but that's going to mean we get it all done by Sunday again
[22:44] <akgraner> I'll try to summarize links as I add them or they are added and see who can be standing by to proof - on sunday
[22:45] <pleia2> akgraner: I'm on hard core vacation thursday-sunday this week
[22:45] <akgraner> ok no worries then :-)
[22:45] <pleia2> calm before the UDS storm in pleia2-land :)
[22:45] <akgraner> totally understand
[22:46] <pleia2> I might pitch in if I find myself bored, but I wouldn't count on it
[22:46] <pleia2> much disney and family visiting in orlando!
[22:46] <akgraner> I'll ping people at the end of each day next week b/c we'll need to stay on top of this
[22:46]  * pleia2 nods
[22:46] <akgraner> I'll use your volunteer email
[22:46] <pleia2> sounds good, just make sure to Bcc: everyone so their email addresses aren't shared
[22:47] <akgraner> yeppers
[22:47] <pleia2> (I know you know this, it's just important so I like to repeat it a lot :))
[22:47] <akgraner> no worries
[22:47] <pleia2> we actually had a customer email all their clients w/o bcc the other day, one of their more annoying clients decided to reply-to-all to complain, for several emails
[22:47] <akgraner> I don't mind reminders at all
[22:47] <pleia2> it's been a nightmare
[23:18] <akgraner> I bet :-(
[23:19] <akgraner> sorry to hear that
[23:23] <Myrtti> pleia2: could be worse
[23:24] <Myrtti> http://bit.ly/vgfpyU
[23:24] <akgraner> oh yuck!
[23:24] <pleia2> Myrtti: indeed!
[23:26] <Myrtti> trust a Finn to help a friend feel good about their situation by pointing that others have it worse, or smth
[23:26] <Myrtti> YOU'RE WELCOME! ;-)
[23:26] <akgraner> hahaha
[23:26] <Myrtti> *huggle*
[23:26] <akgraner> you crack me up - I miss talking to you Myrtti!
[23:26] <pleia2> lol
[23:28] <Myrtti> :-D


[09:29] <brtknr> what does it take to setup a dev environment for cloud init?
[09:30] <brtknr> i have just tried running tox on centos 7.5 and ubuntu 18.04 and both report plethora of error messages on the master branch
[09:30] <brtknr> centos: ERROR: InvocationError for command '/opt/bharat/cloud-init/.tox/py3/bin/python -m nose --with-timer --timer-top-n 10 --with-coverage --cover-erase --cover-branches --cover-inclusive --cover-package=cloudinit tests/unittests cloudinit' (exited with code 1)
[15:30] <blackboxsw> brtknr: as far as I recall we didn't touch tox support on centos:      try 'make ci-deps-centos; make tests'
[15:31] <smoser> brtknr: need more info on the error. full pastebin ?
[15:32] <blackboxsw> also on an ubuntu system w/ lxc one can run something like ./tools/run-container --package --source-package --unittest centos/6
[20:39] <blackboxsw> smoser: I'd like to take your suggestion to bubble up network setup into Azure.get_data as a tech-debt item, there's their poll_imds use-case  which wants to re-try dhcp attempts across IMDS metadata updates due to a user-triggered IP address change. I think this will need broader discussion with Azure and/or access to a test env that exhibits the imds metadata change to verify that a single dhcp. I'm not sure if we
[20:39] <blackboxsw> want to block  the Azure network-config-per-boot branch on that refactor or ot.
[20:40] <blackboxsw> what I'm asking is do you think https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/352660 can land as is if we have a card/topic/bug for summit next week to discuss this consolidation (and possible rework of EphemeralDCHPv4
[22:02] <smoser> blackboxsw: are you happy with branch as it is right now ?
[22:03] <smoser> i marked approve
[22:25] <blackboxsw> thanks smoser yeah, I was going to try a separate proposal for consolidation of EphemeralDHCPv4 uses for azure as the next branch so we can chat over it w/ Azure
[23:45] <smoser> blackboxsw: set 'approved'. it should land.


[04:21] <alkisg> infinity: got it, I had to put the path in the "mount source" of the mount command, as a signal so that snap-confine would generate the appropriate apparmor rule
[04:21] <alkisg> Funny, 10 hours to change 1 word :D https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/commit/d06c08fae8c00d3ca7f63f080a19ede9500f5b14
[08:46] <TJ-> Is this a bug in "man 1 sbuild" EXAMPLES section? "distribution is inferred from debian/copyright"
[08:58] <rbasak> Surely yes if it says that!
[08:58] <cjwatson> TJ-: Yes.  I can just fix it here - do you want some kind of "reported by" credit and if so what?
[09:03] <TJ-> cjwatson: no thanks... just remove the confusion it caused me when I was forgetting how to use sbuild :)
[09:03] <TJ-> I started to doubt my mastery of changelog :)
[09:06] <cjwatson> TJ-: fixed upstream, thanks.  https://salsa.debian.org/debian/sbuild/commit/fc306f4be0d2c57702c5e234273cd94b1dba094d
[09:10] <TJ-> cjwatson: looking at some of your comments about how not to do things in mailing list over the years, but I cannot find an explanation of *why* PPA uploader would report "Mismatch in binaryfulness (arch) False != (files) True ... what precisely is it choking on? This after an sbuild of a source package (gvfs) with a small bugfix and dput ... ..._source.changes
[09:13] <cjwatson> TJ-: That means that the Architecture field in the .changes file lists only "source" (which is correct for a source-only upload) but the part of the .changes file that lists other files being uploaded includes some binary files like .debs
[09:14] <cjwatson> TJ-: If it isn't clear from that then pastebin the .changes file
[09:17] <TJ-> cjwatson: thanks... I have scanned them but unsure what I was looking for
[09:18] <TJ-> cjwatson: hmmm, so "gvfs_1.36.1-0ubuntu1.3.4~tj_amd64.buildinfo" would be the culprit
[09:23] <cjwatson> Sounds like it
[09:24] <cjwatson> Information about how the environment for a binary build was set up doesn't belong in a source upload
[09:25] <cjwatson> If you're building the source package from a clean git tree or similar then you could just use debuild -S -nc (and debdiff old and new source packages to make sure that no extra cruft has crept in)
[09:38] <TJ-> I'm trying to prevent any build-depends installation on the host with the source, so it is all done from the sbuild schroot ... so I've just 'fixed' it post-build with a "dpkg-genchanges --build=source > .../ X_source.changes"
[09:42] <cjwatson> TJ-: build-depends> that's why I said -nc
[09:42] <cjwatson> If you aren't running the clean step then you don't need build-depends
[09:42] <cjwatson> (but you do need care that the tree is actually clean)
[09:43] <LocutusOfBorg> somebody once told me this:
[09:43] <LocutusOfBorg> dpkg-source -b . && dpkg-source --after-build . && dpkg-buildpackage -S -nc
[09:43] <cjwatson> Somebody was trying too hard IMO, but OK :)
[09:44] <LocutusOfBorg> this is in my "rebuild" bash script when I don't care about dependencies...
[09:44] <LocutusOfBorg> if you have a better version I'm happy to listen and apply it :)
[09:45] <LocutusOfBorg> and mapreri probably too, since he told me that thing :)
[09:45] <LocutusOfBorg> and we should probably have a "no change rebuild" script in ubuntu-dev-tools
[09:46] <cjwatson> I don't see why a rebuild script needs any particular effort there.  If you've just fetched and unpacked the source package then it's clean by definition.
[09:46] <LocutusOfBorg> how do you create the changes after editing debian/changelog?
[09:46] <cjwatson> Just dpkg-buildpackage -S -nc on its own is nearly always fine; I don't see what the dpkg-source hackery there buys you.
[09:47] <TJ-> cjwatson: I was referring to needing to do "sbuild --no-clean-source ..." to prevent failures due missing build-depends the Makefile relies on
[09:47] <cjwatson> There are exceptions where the clean target does something special with substituting the version into other files, but dpkg-source doesn't help with that
[09:47] <cjwatson> TJ-: I don't think you've understood what I said
[09:48] <LocutusOfBorg> cjwatson, doesn't in run after-build hooks?
[09:50] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: But so does dpkg-buildpackage -S -nc.  Running it manually first doesn't seem interesting
[09:50] <TJ-> cjwatson: Yes, I did ... I was talking about an orothogonal issue as to why I ended up with the binary reference and why I was going around the houses :)
[09:51] <LocutusOfBorg> oh, got it :)
[09:51] <cjwatson> It does seem like an sbuild bug if it's including _amd64.buildinfo in an allegedly source build
[09:53] <TJ-> I was/am doing "sbuild --source-only-changes --no-clean-source" from the source directory
[11:04] <LocutusOfBorg> tarzeau, sorry I syncd fasrttracker after seeing you changed the blocker bug...
[11:04] <LocutusOfBorg> can I close it now?
[11:04] <tarzeau> is 19.10 having 1.00 now? then bug can be closed
[11:05] <tarzeau> yep looks good, thanks
[11:09] <LocutusOfBorg> tarzeau, after dinstall yes
[11:09] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't want it to migrate early
[11:09] <LocutusOfBorg> but I syncd it before seeing the bug, not the opposite :p
[13:51] <seb128> I probably ask that in the past, but is there a way to query unattendeed-upgrade to know how many updates it applied and the toal number
[13:52] <seb128> and also maybe to tell it to exit once it's done with its batch so I can use my machine and I install the dbgsym I need without being blocked for half an hour?
[14:20] <ricotz> seb128, hey :), I have update the vala sru bug -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vala/+bug/1803136
[14:33] <seb128> ricotz, hey, ack, I will have a look, thx
[14:34] <ricotz> seb128, thanks
[16:23] <seb128> bdmurray, hey, do you have any idea why https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/8432dce420a23f06dbb667734330eb0ef23301a4 and https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/c01ad6266575bee8065679508008b968593a86fd have no backtrace?
[16:24] <seb128> well most recent tracker reports in 19.10 it seems
[16:24] <seb128> we also miss debug symbols/retrace on quite some other projects/reports
[16:38] <ddstreet> Laney not sure if you're still around, but systemd-upstream CI appears to have stopped updating github with any results...the tests look like they are running on our infrastructure, but their github PR pages show the tests are 'Pending' forever...could you check the autopkgtest-cloud logs?
[16:39] <Laney> ddstreet: you got me for a few minutes, let me see
[16:43] <Laney> ddstreet: www-data 27586  0.0  0.0  10552   664 ?        S    Oct09   0:00  |       \_ flock -w 60 /run/lock/update-github-jobs.lock /home/ubuntu/autopkgtest-cloud/webcontrol/update-github-jobs
[16:43] <Laney> would that timing match up?
[16:43] <Laney> if it's a stuck process
[16:46] <ddstreet> yep that seems to be about right, it seems to have been first noticed oct 10 after one had been stuck for 12+ hours
[16:46] <seb128> bdmurray, https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/0f924bd29e9d9e01b0b77542ead2c68b36282ad1 also
[16:50] <Laney> ddstreet: ok, kicked it, should start working again
[16:50] <bdmurray> seb128: I'll try and have a look at it tonight / tomorrow.
[16:51] <seb128> bdmurray, no hurry thx, I didn't mean to bother you on a day off just stacked things for once you are back :)
[16:52] <bdmurray> seb128: I'm actually in London at the release sprint so its not a day off.
[16:52] <seb128> ah ok
[16:52] <seb128> oh well, can wait tomorrow in any case
[16:53] <seb128> thx
[16:54] <paride5> bdmurray, https://code.launchpad.net/~legovini/auto-upgrade-testing/ramsettings/+merge/374097
[16:54] <paride5> what's that 5
[16:54] <ddstreet> thanks Laney! :)
[20:19] <mwhudson> what does DM_MULTIPATH_DEVICE_PATH="0" mean
[20:24] <TJ-> mwhudson: from lvm2: lib/device/dev-ext-udev-constants.h:43: * DEV_EXT_UDEV_MPATH_DEVICE_PATH is set by multipath in udev db
[20:24] <TJ-> lib/device/dev-ext-udev-constants.h:48:#define DEV_EXT_UDEV_MPATH_DEVICE_PATH          "DM_MULTIPATH_DEVICE_PATH"
[20:24] <mwhudson> TJ-: yeah, i got that far, i'm just want to know what the value means
[20:24] <TJ-> mwhudson: it's a Boolean ... tells us if the device is multipath connected
[20:25] <mwhudson> TJ-: there is stuff in udev about checking for values of 0, 1, 2
[20:27] <TJ-> mwhudson: hmmm, never noticed that... presumably set by dm_multipath according to the path type?
[20:27] <mwhudson> $ sudo multipath -c /dev/nvme0n1
[20:27] <mwhudson> DM_MULTIPATH_DEVICE_PATH="0"
[20:27] <mwhudson> o well use the source luke etc
[20:29] <mwhudson> DM_MULTIPATH_DEVICE_PATH="2" seems to be "maybe"
[20:30] <TJ-> I was wondering if it was the queue mode :)
[20:32] <TJ-> so a tri-state Boolean :)
[20:33] <mwhudson> ah hah https://www.spinics.net/lists/dm-devel/msg35965.html
[20:33] <mwhudson> the poster here is complaining about exactly what we are seeing i think
[20:41] <TJ-> Statement of the week: "That could be better documented by comments, I suppose." :D
[20:46] <mwhudson> hah yes


[00:11] <penguin42> given that 5 on demand wont work for me on any of the devices I have; do any of amazon video or nowtv let you watch five on demand without subscription?
[02:57] <mapito> hi;D
[07:32] <LibreSponge> Morning, still need an IRC mask name for tomorrow (?) cc ubuntu-community.
[07:32] <Myrtti> the what?
[07:33] <Myrtti> irc mask name?
[07:33] <LibreSponge> Yes, a name sio doesn't give out my Ip address.
[07:34] <Myrtti> you mean a cloak, then.
[07:34] <LibreSponge> whatever, I still require a cloak-namje.
[07:35] <LibreSponge> for ubuntu
[07:35] <Myrtti> why?
[07:35] <LibreSponge> Why don't I want (not) to give out my IP address ? (seriusly ?)
[07:35] <Myrtti> no, never mind. I'm sure you've got a reason.
[07:36] <LibreSponge> It's not 'bout reasons , it's just good chatting.
[07:36] <Myrtti> last time this came up you said you needed one to join a channel
[07:36] <LibreSponge> that's a different option/matter.
[07:37] <Myrtti> so have you registered a nickserv account yet?
[07:37] <LibreSponge> no
[07:37] <LibreSponge> i have but i lost the email.
[07:38] <LibreSponge> now they say that eMail's already taken.
[07:38] <Myrtti> do you remember the accountname?
[07:38] <LibreSponge> no
[07:39] <Myrtti> right. If you pm me the email address, I'll have a look in a moment. I'm freenode staff, you can check by whois'ing me.
[07:43] <LibreSponge> Myrtti: Ok, I've PM 'd you.
[07:44] <LibreSponge> I cant whois you.
[07:46] <LibreSponge> Myrtti, I have to go out, but I shall be back later
[07:46] <Myrtti> alright
[07:46] <SuperEngineer> LibreSponge, perhaps the words Thank You might be appropriate?  ;-)
[08:15] <LibreSponge> Right, I'm back SuperEngineer. Thank-you with gratitude.
[09:17] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[13:56] <ikonia> anyone in the UK offering reasonable deals on harddisks - 3TB+ ? don't have to be fast, infact slow and cheap is fine, seen any good deals recently ?
[14:05] <penguin42> ikonia: Scan's today only is listing 83.99inc for a 5k9 3TB Seagate
[14:08] <ikonia> I already ate up their stock on Saturday
[14:09] <ikonia> purchased 10 of them
[14:09] <ikonia> the Toshiba's ?
[14:09] <ikonia> oops, just seen seagate
[14:09] <ikonia> sorry
[14:09] <ikonia> lets see
[14:09] <penguin42> although worth checking their main list; the todayonly isn't always cheapest
[14:10] <ikonia> no, thats a very good point
[14:10] <penguin42> wth do you need that many for?
[14:10] <ikonia> some storage for generic stuff, and some longer term archiving and backups of archives
[14:11] <ikonia> probably need around another 12TB to be sure, and maybe a spare disk on standby
[14:11] <ikonia> maybe 9 would cut it
[14:11] <ikonia> (extra 9tb)
[14:11] <ikonia> not extra 9 disks
[14:11] <penguin42> hmm CPC have a cheaper one
[14:11] <ikonia> CPC ?
[14:12] <penguin42> http://cpc.farnell.com/seagate/st3000dm001/drive-desktop-3-5-sata6gbps-3tb/dp/CS2284793
[14:12] <penguin42> note the prices are exvat (inc vat)
[14:12] <ikonia> ooh, they have more of the toshiba's in !
[14:12] <ikonia> they will do, they said they where out now on Saturday and wouldn't be getting more in for a few weeks
[14:12] <penguin42> so CPC are 76.62 for 3T Seagate
[14:12] <ikonia> £69 for 3TB inc VAT
[14:12] <ikonia> that will do, I'll raid them again, bought a ton on Saturday
[14:14] <ikonia> good spot on those, thank you
[14:16] <penguin42> admit it, you're building 'the machine' in your basement aren't you?
[14:20] <ikonia> that got finished a long time ago, it now controls me, I must feed it disks
[14:20] <penguin42> yum, tasty disks
[14:39]  * diddledan licks them
[14:39] <diddledan> morning :-)
[14:39] <diddledan> anyone get blown-over by Katie?
[14:40] <penguin42> not up here, just mostly wet
[14:40] <diddledan> she blew a lot last night but seems to have settled-down now
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: see all the read "STORMSCHADE" things on http://112meldingen.nl/ ? That's fire service being called to fix storm damage/make it safe :)
[19:36] <mapps> hi all
[19:37] <mapps> anyone else watch billions
[19:37] <popey> never heard of it


[00:04] <plugwash> how do I request a package is removed from Ubuntu?
[00:06] <tumbleweed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PackageArchive#Removals
[01:15] <arraybolt3> plugwash: What package are you wanting removed? I might be able to help.
[01:16] <arraybolt3> (I can file bugs, or possibly fix whatever's wrong with it if it doesn't need removed but does need a fix.)
[01:16] <plugwash> the package is rust-rustls-0.20, it was removed from sid some time ago but is hanging around in Ubuntu for some reason and is blocking the migration of the new rust-ring out of proposed.
[01:23] <plugwash> I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rust-rustls-0.20/+bug/2045596
[01:23] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2045596 in rust-rustls-0.20 (Ubuntu) "rust-rustls-0.20 should be removed." [Undecided, New]
[01:29] <arraybolt3> plugwash: Ah. sounds like you have it taken care of already then.
[01:45] <mwhudson> i subscribed ~ubuntu-archive to the bug btw
[08:39] <xypron> lua-nvim and nvim have a cyclic build dependency leading to not building for riscv64. On the lua-nvim side the build dependency: "neovim <!nocheck>". How can we set build profile nocheck when uploading to proposed?
[08:41] <schopin> xypron: I'd just upload a version of lua-nvim with `neovim <!nocheck> [!riscv64]` and the tests disabled on riscv64 (not even sure that's needed though?) to break the cycle, and then revert that once it's bootstrapped.
[08:43] <xypron> schopin: https://wiki.debian.org/BuildProfileSpec describes that an environment variable  DEB_BUILD_PROFILES is used to control the build.
[08:45] <schopin> xypron: yes, and that's very useful when you build stuff locally or do archive-wide test rebuilds, but I'd wager you can't use a custom profile for a single package in the archive.
[10:56] <xypron> schopin: see LP #2045634. A ppa build worked fine.
[10:56] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2045634 in lua-nvim (Ubuntu) "Missing riscv64 build due to cyclic dependency" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2045634
[12:07] <kjerome1> Hi everyone, just wondering - is it common to resubscribe sponsors if they were unsubscribed but the bug report went stale?
[13:34] <schopin> kjerome1: if the sponsors were unsubscribed it's usually because there were some actionable feedback on the debdiff/branch. Resubscribing them without any other change to the bug status is probably not the right thing to do :)
[13:34] <schopin> what's the bug on question?
[13:49] <kjerome1> schopin: this is the bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups-browsed/+bug/2028172
[13:49] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2028172 in cups-browsed (Ubuntu) "Cups-browsed cannot bind to port 631 as non-root user on Ubuntu 23.04" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[14:04] <schopin> kjerome1: As far as I can see Simon's comment still applies: this is a raw patch, not something that's readily uploadable, so out of the scope of ubuntu-sponsors. Till will likely handle this in time, but please be patient. His last comment is not even a week old, it's a bit premature to call the bug "stale" :)
[16:30] <ogayot> dbus 1.14.10-3 in Debian added a dependency on usr-is-merged (>= 38~). While src:usrmerge is in main in Ubuntu, usr-is-merged is currently in universe. How does that work? And also, would moving usr-is-merged to main mandata a MIR of some sort?
[16:31] <ogayot> s/mandata/mandate/
[16:35] <schopin> It sounds like usr-is-merged should be seeded.
[16:35] <tsimonq2> I defer any judgement on usr-is-merged, but if you're looking to move things forward and not have this merge hung up on a MIR process, I'd revert that in Ubuntu.
[16:36] <tsimonq2> (No idea if it's a merge or sync, didn't look yet. :))
[16:36] <schopin> My guess is we're talking merge.
[16:36] <tsimonq2> Right you are: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/1.14.10-1ubuntu1
[16:37]  * schopin vaguely remembers having a dbus merge assigned to him in a previous cycle. And pawning it off somehow to someone else.
[16:37] <tsimonq2> Version: 1.14.10-3 Changed-By: Simon McVittie<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:37] <tsimonq2> We've reached Peak Simon. :P
[16:41] <ogayot> tsimonq2: I don't think it's critical to rush the dbus merge right now (especially because 1.15.x is already in experimental). We would need to merge usrmerge 38 to make dbus 1.14.10-3ubuntu1 installable anyway.
[16:42] <ogayot> schopin: you mean seeding usr-is-merged would automatically move it to main?
[16:43] <schopin> ogayot: I mean that it would make sense for us to seed this to have it installed on all our systems, since this is true on all Ubuntu systems.
[16:44] <ogayot> schopin: that's fair.
[16:45] <schopin> ogayot: for your immediate problem, I'd remove the dependency in our delta, and consult the elders ;)
[16:46] <schopin> ogayot: I'd open a new bug on dbus and tag it rls-nn-incoming to discuss it in our thursday meeting.
[16:47] <ogayot> schopin: good idea, I'll go ahead and do that.
[16:47] <dbungert> @pilot in
[16:48] <schopin> slyon: with your MIR hat on, have a look at the last 15mn backlog ;)
[16:51] <slyon> schopin: ogayot: usr-is-merged seems to be an empty meta-package. It's source package src:usrmerge is already in main
[16:52] <schopin> does that mean we can just ask an AA to promote it, no paperwork?
[16:52] <slyon> so I'd say this doesn't need a MIR, as there is no new code. Maybe this new binary was added after the source package got promoted. You should not block on this.
[16:52] <slyon> I don't think paperwork would be involved. It might show up as a component-mismatch, but should be resolved on the fast-path, by asking an AA.
[16:53] <ogayot> slyon: excellent, thanks!
[16:53] <schopin> I had assumed it was a new source package, I should have checked. -_-
[16:54] <ogayot> schopin: I should have made it more obvious :)
[16:54] <slyon> ogayot: schopin: thanks for taking care of those details!
[18:24] <ogayot> :q
[21:09] <arraybolt3> bdmurray: If you're around, do you happen to know  where to download the britney-indexes-ppa script referenced in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/LocalSetup ? The download link in the wiki no longer works and I need that script for testing a package update.
[21:10] <dbungert> @pilot out
[21:15] <bdmurray> arraybolt3: nobody knows. What exactly are you trying to do?
[21:16] <arraybolt3> bdmurray: Set up a local Britney instance in a VM that uses a PPA as if it were the -proposed pocket so I can get a list of autopkgtest links so I can make sure a new version of a library doesn't clog up an entire network of reverse dependencies once it's uploaded.
[21:17] <bdmurray> arraybolt3: just query the autopkgtest.db for the package as a trigger?
[21:17] <arraybolt3> From my conversation with tsimonq2 I thought I'd need to test every reverse dependency of the package in question against a PPA, and the Britney setup would help me know what all needed testing? Perhaps he misunderstood me or I misunderstood him.
[21:18] <arraybolt3> It would probably be best to test the entire dependency network (all rdeps of the new package (several libraries in signond + all rdeps of those + all rdeps of those and so on).
[21:19] <arraybolt3> The new version of signond I'm hoping to sync from Debian is a lot newer and may or may not have API/ABI breaking changes, thus my desire to test everything before having a sponsor upload.
[21:20] <arraybolt3> bdmurray: how would I do that querying you're mentioning?
[21:25] <bdmurray> arraybolt3: something like this https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/fSYvhRYxFf/
[21:29] <bdmurray> although that result is a false positive b/c by regex was too general and caught signon-kwallet-extension
[21:32] <arraybolt3> bdmurray: and is there some place where the autopkgtest.db is publicly available for download?
[21:32] <arraybolt3> nvm found it
[21:32] <arraybolt3> oh grief it's huge :P
[21:32] <arraybolt3> alrighty, thanks for the advice!


[05:36] <mate|26120> hello
[05:36] <mate|26120> ubuntu web browser is not working. please help
[07:55] <JohnnyTheSmith> which one
[08:07] <fpb1> dfg
[11:10] <danboid> Has the advanced menu been removed in 17.10? I can't see it in MATE tweak any more?
[11:11] <danboid> Maybe we have to install that one that Ikey wrote now? Wossitsnam...
[12:54] <jeanluccombo> bonjour
[12:54] <jeanluccombo> qui peut m'indiquer quel lecteur choisir pour lire des videos mp4
[12:54] <jeanluccombo> merci
[13:09] <monah> hi room
[13:09] <monah> I have a little problem
[13:09] <monah> with my wifi
[13:09] <monah> hi
[13:12] <monah> hello
[13:16] <monah> hello room
[13:17] <monah> actually i have a problem
[13:17] <monah> with my wifi
[13:17] <monah> I tried to follow this howto: https://connectwww.com/how-to-solve-realtek-rtl8723be-weak-wifi-signal-problem-in-ubuntu/4625/
[13:17] <monah> but I am getting a mistake on compiling
[16:56] <sigurdson> hi, i just installed ubuntu MATE! :D
[16:58] <sigurdson> on the installation i chose install alongside windows7 but i think it was installed on another disk, how can i check this? Also GRUB loader was installed on my second harddrive and does not start at boot time, just windows 7
[17:10] <sigurdson> I joined the commmunity
[17:15] <sigurdson> I need to shrink the linux partition as well if anyone know how to do this
[18:38] <sigurdson> i tried resizing with gparted but i cannot as long as its the ext system i am trying to resize.. any suggestions or i will fire up parted magic
[19:34] <mirko_> Hello, can anyone tell me how to turn off my laptop screen after x minutes (no screensaver, black screen with backlight off) or point me to a resource, I tried googling but all I get is how to disable the locking mechanism (which I want to stay)
[19:34] <teacher> hi
[19:34] <mirko_> hello @teacher, welcome
[19:37] <diogenes_> mirko_, try xset
[19:38] <diogenes_> for instance if you want your screen off after 30 seconds then you tun: xset dpms 30
[19:38] <diogenes_> run*
[19:43] <mirko_> diogenes_, thank you very much, what is the best way to make it persist, I assume it is reset after restart
[19:44] <diogenes_> mirko_, you can make a script out of it and add it to the system startup
[19:47] <mirko_> diogenes_, Thanks
[19:48] <diogenes_> you're welcome
[19:49] <mirko_> diogenes_, I just noticed a problem using it, it does not work when using CTRL + ALT + L which locks the screen and shows a screensaver, how do I fix that?
[19:51] <diogenes_> what is the command you run in order to lock the screen?
[19:58] <mirko_> diogenes_, It was already predefined when I installed it, When I go to Settings > Keyboard Shortcuts > Lock screen (Ctrl + Alt + L) I cannot edit the command while on some other distros I could
[19:59] <diogenes_> mirko_, Ctrl+Alt+L is just a keyboard combination which runs a specific command
[19:59] <diogenes_> so what is the command?
[20:02] <mirko_> diogenes_, How do I find it out?, here is an image of the settings https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/1/view/7jonfsry8bwxrp3/Apps/Shutter/Selection_006.png
[20:03] <mirko_> diogenes_, I could add a new command instead for Win+L since I cannot edit the Lock screen command
[20:06] <diogenes_> mirko_, you have to find the command and then make a shortcut with the command something like: sh -c "yourlockscreencommand & xset dpms 3" <[20:06] <diogenes_> but after that you gonna need another shortcut like: xset dpms whatever longer time
[20:11] <mirko_> diogenes_, oh, you're right, if I set it to "mate-screensaver-command -l && sleep 2 && xset dpms 30", I would need to make it 1800 after I log in, Is there any login callback (calls some script after I login)
[20:15] <diogenes_> you have to do it manually, I have two shortcuts, 1 is when I turn off my screen (xset dpms 3) and the second is xset dpms 1800, so you have to activate them manually just adding simple desktop shortcuts, or even to your menu
[20:18] <mirko__> diogenes_, That could work for me if I don't find a callback, I found a method using dbus but it would need to run in the background, will experiment with it and let you know if I find something
[20:19] <diogenes_> ok good luck
[20:21] <sigurdson> pretty satisfied so far :D
[20:45] <mirko__> diogenes_, I have managed to do it all automatically, do you know any code snippet service so I can send you the code?
[20:46] <diogenes_> mirko__, you can pastebin it
[20:47] <mirko__> diogenes_, ok, give me a few minutes to clean up the script
[20:47] <diogenes_> ok
[20:58] <mirko__> diogenes_, Here you go, I hope it works for you too, https://pastebin.com/C2HcwKFt
[21:00] <diogenes_> good job, might be handy one day
[21:17] <sigurdson> can someone please tell me the difference between the ubuntu mate and the regular ubuntu lts version?
[21:18] <sigurdson> on wikipedia it just say that it uses the mate shell and thats it
[21:18] <sigurdson> shell^GUI
[21:28] <mirko__> As I understand the only difference is that Ubuntu uses Unity as the default desktop environment (They will switch Gnome 3 in the future), Ubuntu Mate uses the Mate desktop environment which is forked from the old Gnome 2 desktop environment
[21:29] <diogenes_> and also that ubuntu is the product of canonical
[21:29] <diogenes_> whereas other branches are not
[21:33] <sigurdson> oki, thanks
[21:34] <sigurdson> been working with it now for a couple of hours.. Miss the toolbar that ubuntu had on the left side of the screen though
[21:36] <diogenes_> sigurdson, there are alternative things you can install like docky, plank, cairo-dock
[21:36] <sigurdson> does ubuntu use apt-get docky for example
[21:36] <diogenes_> sudo apt install docky
[21:37] <sixwheeledbeast> sigurdson: you can make MATE look like Unity if you wish
[21:38] <sigurdson> i am trying docky.
[21:38] <sixwheeledbeast> In fact Unity users are best to use MATE going forward with Ubuntu switching to Gnome3
[21:39] <mirko__> sixwheeledbeast, why?
[21:40] <diogenes_> gnome3 is the laggiest alowest and resource hungry thing I've ever seen
[21:40] <diogenes_> <<slowest*
[21:41] <sixwheeledbeast> Unity will no longer be maintained whereas MATE (Munity) will continue to be supported
[21:41] <sigurdson> i am comming from windows now, not been using linux for a long time. Are there Nodejs package manager for linux<?
[21:43] <sigurdson> docky looks good :)
[21:44] <mirko__> sixwheeledbeast, The only problem I have with Mate is its very old and not updated software and buggy window switching, for example mate-terminal which does not support rearanging the text when window resizes
[21:44] <sigurdson> mirko__ actually just experienced that problem with the terminal
[21:45] <sigurdson> GRUB loader looks buggy too, is that a known issue?
[21:45] <mirko__> sigurdson, well, I uninstalled mate-terminal and installed gnome-terminal which supports it
[21:45] <sigurdson> with apt?
[21:46] <mirko__> sigurdson, yes sudo apt remove mate-terminal && sudo apt install gnome-terminal  should work
[21:46] <sixwheeledbeast> My mate-terminal does not have this issue.
[21:47] <mirko__> sixwheeledbeast, that is strange, what version of Ubuntu Mate do you have, I have 16.04
[21:47] <sixwheeledbeast> That's why
[21:47] <sixwheeledbeast> 17.04
[21:48] <sixwheeledbeast> MATE feels a lot more polished with the complete switch to gtk3
[21:48] <mirko__> excellent, great that they finally updated it
[21:49] <sixwheeledbeast> what version terminal?
[21:49] <sigurdson> now i am stuck with no terminal
[21:50] <mirko__> sigurdson, oh, what went wrong? you still have one, CTRL + ALT + F1, Use CTRL + ALT + F7 to return to GUI
[21:50] <mirko__> sigurdson, *6 terminals
[21:50] <sigurdson> i will try installing it through the Ubuntu Software Center
[21:52] <mirko__> sigurdson, try it and let me know if I can help
[21:53] <sigurdson> so, this works.. but i would like to run a terminal within the GUI. Also, the login fails
[21:53] <sigurdson> and i cannot run whoami
[21:53] <mirko__> sixwheeledbeast, I now have gnome-terminal 3.18.3, what version do you get in 17.04?
[21:54] <sigurdson> I had another username. It is working now :) Ty
[21:54] <mirko__> sigurdson, did you manage fix the GUI terminal?
[21:54] <sigurdson> mirko__ nope
[21:55] <sigurdson> i cannot find it
[21:55] <sigurdson> but i have terminals f1-f6
[21:55] <mirko__> sigurdson, try sudo apt install gnome-terminal in the F1-F6 terminals
[21:56] <sixwheeledbeast> You may prefer to install a terminal instead of logining into ttys.
[21:56] <sixwheeledbeast> mate-terminal 1.18
[21:56] <sigurdson> It say no user "apt" in the password file now when i try su apt install
[21:57] <mirko__> sixwheeledbeast, he used my command to remove the old mate-terminal and to install gnome-terminal but the install somehow failed
[21:57] <sigurdson> oh i have had this problem soooo many times
[21:58] <mirko__> sigurdson, did you login into the terminal?
[21:59] <sigurdson> mirko__ sorry, i used su instead of sudo. But when i try apt install gnome-termial it say its installed but i cannot find it under any category how do i search for it?
[21:59] <mirko__> sixwheeledbeast, The lates mate-terminal in 16.04 is mate-terminal/xenial,now 1.12.1-1 amd64
[22:01] <mirko__> sigurdson, logout and then login in your GUI account again, I have that problem also, I see newly installed apps only after relogin
[22:01] <sigurdson> allrighty brb
[22:01] <sixwheeledbeast> dpkg -l | grep terminal  It could be hidden in the application menu as mate-terminal is default
[22:03] <sigurdson> Hmmm its gone
[22:05] <mirko__> sigurdson, I'm out of ideas, you can restore the old terminal by using "sudo apt install mate-terminal"
[22:07] <mirko__> sigurdson, Try also what sixwheeledbeast suggested, "dpkg -l | grep terminal" to see if it is installed
[22:07] <sigurdson> Ok, the MATE terminal shows up
[22:07] <sigurdson> i will try the procedure you said earlier again.. just to check
[22:08] <sigurdson> the problem is it doesnt stick to any menu..
[22:09] <sixwheeledbeast> I am lost as to what the issue is now? Do you have mate and gnome terminals showing in dpkg?
[22:10] <mirko__> try running "gnome-terminal" command while inside mate-terminal to see if it works
[22:10] <sigurdson> now i just have the mate terminal
[22:10] <sigurdson> brb, out for a cigarette :)
[22:11] <mirko__> sigurdson, ok, I will be going away in a few minutes since it is late (atleast in my timezone)
[22:13] <sigurdson> its late here to over noon.. so i will go to bed and be on tomorrow.
[22:13] <sigurdson> g'nite
[22:14] <sixwheeledbeast> Same here (late). I can only assume that the command was incorrect so it failed to install or remove the packages you asked.
[22:14] <mirko__> yes, probably, good night
[23:13] <dynyusys> I have dual boot system ubuntu mate and MX-16.1 I want to have Ubunut recognize root file and detect the files on MX-16.1
[23:13] <dynyusys> however it states that root file i dont have access to?
[23:13] <dynyusys> any one know how to fix this?
[23:13] <dynyusys> as im new to linux