[00:01] <fabio123> i saw a logitech keyboard which use solar energy... would be nice to have to same on laptops
[00:01] <stijn> nope, without the battery it wont boot lol
[00:01] <Transhumanist> I saw a review of those. Apparently they're no good, fabio. Don't do much charging.
[00:01] <Transhumanist> stijn: what model? Every laptop boots without the battery
[00:01] <stijn> http://support.acer.com/acerpanam/notebook/0000/Acer/Aspire5735Z/Aspire5735Zsp3.shtml
[00:01] <m3t4lukas> hey guys, my mysql-service and apache2-service is not starting at serverstart, but "root@<server>:~# update-rc.d apache2 defaults" says "System start/stop links for /etc/init.d/apache2 already exist."
[00:01] <Transhumanist> You've plugged in power, waited a minute or so for caps to charge maybe?
[00:01] <anonymous> Personally, if I wanted a solar-charged keyboard...I'd make it myself.
[00:02] <m3t4lukas> same with update-rc.d mysql defaults
[00:02] <stijn> it just booted to vista again! after i did the battery back
[00:02] <Transhumanist> Is the power adaptor turned on at mains, stijn?
[00:02] <anonymous> Ha! My random suggestions are actually helpful!
[00:02] <anonymous> For once.
[00:03] <ikonia> m3t4lukas: start it manually to verifythey actually work
[00:03] <stijn> pardon?
[00:03] <m3t4lukas> I did, they do, but after a restart they don't run anymore, but starting them manually always works after a reboot
[00:04] <ikonia> most odd
[00:04] <stijn> I guess i try AND reboot to see if it is still working
[00:04] <Transhumanist> stijn: I was just saying every laptop boots without battery if it is plugged into mains. You may need to plug the cable in, wait a minute or so, and make sure it's turned on at the wall socket, but it will work. You've got a hardware problem if it does not.
[00:05] <GeorgeJ> I'm running Ubuntu 12.10. I've installed deluged and deluge-web. The problem is: deluged comes with an init script in /etc/init.d, which, as long as I can tell tells upstart when the service starts, here's the file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1497703/. The problem is, I wrote an upstart job for deluge-web as such: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1497681/. However, when I do sudo service deluged start, it does not also start deluged-web.
[00:05] <GeorgeJ> What could I be doing wrong? sudo service deluge-web start works just fine.
[00:06] <stijn> aha, now i have a purple screen when i choose ubuntu in the boot
[00:06] <m3t4lukas> yep, I don't know what else to do... I tried all I know
[00:06] <stijn> its flashing
[00:06] <stijn> logging in
[00:07] <spiffman> Jordan_U, going to reboot and get the exact error message, will that help?
[00:07] <ikonia> m3t4lukas: how are you starting it manually ?
[00:07] <ikonia> m3t4lukas: also have you set a root password ?
[00:08] <Transhumanist> George: if you get no answer here, try posting a thread on the forums
[00:08] <Jordan_U> spiffman: Sorry, I've been primarily doing other things.
[00:08] <{messedupmatthew> can anyone help me with my broadcom wifi drivers
[00:08] <Transhumanist> Uhg, Broadcom
[00:08] <stijn> thanks a lot guys :D next time ill remove the battery again xD
[00:08] <Jordan_U> spiffman: At the initramfs shell are you able to see sdb1 in the output from blkid?
[00:09] <stijn> good night
[00:09] <{messedupmatthew> ya  really irritatin me
[00:09] <Transhumanist> stijn: when you do remove the battery, also hit the power on button a few times to empty the capacitors
[00:09] <{messedupmatthew> its a macbook pro
[00:09] <stijn> thanks
[00:09] <jamie_> Could I have some help?
[00:09] <Transhumanist> probably. ask away.
[00:09] <jamie_> Thanks.
[00:10] <{messedupmatthew> drivers drivers?
[00:10] <jamie_> I'm trying to dual boot with xubuntu and Windows XP.
[00:10] <jamie_> When I run the XP disk, it goes blank.
[00:10] <jamie_> Is that because of the Linux partition?
[00:10] <spiffman> Jordan_U, i see the ntfs hard drive and the pendrive, i don't remember if the labels were the same
[00:10] <{messedupmatthew> stupid macbook :/
[00:10] <spiffman> Jordan_U, but the drive with both ubuntu's does not show...
[00:11] <folorn> any ideas how i can format a cd using the terminal?
[00:11] <{messedupmatthew> diskpart?
[00:11] <Transhumanist> jamie: what'd you do? Install XP, then install Xubuntu?
[00:11] <folorn> just type it in then messedupmathew?
[00:11] <jamie_> I'll pm you.
[00:11] <Transhumanist> no need. stick to this channel so others can help
[00:11] <jamie_> Okay.
[00:12] <jamie_> Well, I installed xubuntu.
[00:12] <jamie_> Now I want to dual boot with Windows XP.
[00:12] <{messedupmatthew> type what in
[00:12] <spiffman> Jordan_U, also, no rush :) thanks for helping
[00:12] <Transhumanist> Hmm. It's best to do the reverse, jamie
[00:12] <jamie_> When I run the XP disk, the hardware configuration bios appears but it goes blank.
[00:12] <folorn> k 1min need the disk i want to format 1sec messedup..
[00:12] <fabio123> jamie_, it's easier to install xp first, then xubuntu
[00:12] <jamie_> Do you think I need to delete the partition with ubuntu and create it again?
[00:12] <jamie_> Could that be the problem?
[00:12] <Transhumanist> if that's easy, yes
[00:13] <Transhumanist> Windows hates other OS's, and doesn't work well if installed later
[00:13] <jamie_> I'm on gparted as root and I'm looking at the partitions.
[00:13] <Transhumanist> it can be done, but it's more fiddly
[00:13] <jamie_> Would that make sense though, the reason the disk is going blank on the hardware config?
[00:13] <anonymous> "Hates" doesn't even describe it.
[00:13] <ikonia> Transhumanist: that is nonsense
[00:13] <Jordan_U> jamie_: No, the existance of Linux partitions will not cause Windows' installer to fail. Try asking about the problem you're having in ##windows .
[00:13] <fabio123> not to talk about windows 8, gpt partiotions, bios efi and secure boot
[00:13] <ikonia> windows works fine if installed second
[00:13] <anonymous> Not for me it doesn't.
[00:14] <Transhumanist> ikonia: except you then have to update grub, and various other things
[00:14] <jamie_> Well, it's got something to do with it.
[00:14] <{messedupmatthew> any help with my stupid broadcom drivers? :/
[00:14] <jamie_> On a clean harddrive, the disk works fine.
[00:14] <ikonia> Transhumanist: that's not Windows fault.....
[00:14] <Transhumanist> I've had horrible luck installing Windows after Ubuntu, so it isn't nonsense mate.
[00:14] <ikonia> Transhumanist: and updating grub is not "breaking" windows
[00:14] <Transhumanist> No, that part isn't.
[00:14] <ikonia> Transhumanist: it is nonsense.
[00:14] <jamie_> I've used a clean hard drive and I can run XP fine.
[00:14] <jamie_> Since installing Ubuntu, it won't install.
[00:14] <Transhumanist> Oh get bent. I'm not the only one who ahs had Windows act crappy because it was installed after Ubuntu.
[00:15] <ikonia> Transhumanist: please don't call me names, and please don't give miss-information
[00:15] <Jordan_U> Transhumanist: Please keep discussion civil.
[00:15] <jamie_> I spoke to a couple of people and they've had the same issue.
[00:15] <folorn> anyone know how to format cd's etc from the terminal ?
[00:15] <jamie_> I'll try and do it the other way around.
[00:15] <anonymous> It's not disinformation ikonia, it's true a majority of the time, Windows simply doesn't cooperate.
[00:15] <Transhumanist> Well you're directly contradicting the experiences of others, ikonia. Accept that installing Windows after Ubuntu doesn't always work well.
[00:16] <Jordan_U> jamie_: I'm almost certain that that your new inability to install Windows is not related to anything Ubuntu has done.
[00:16] <jamie_> I'm not saying it's ubuntu's fault.
[00:16] <ikonia> anonymous: I'm sorry but the order you install the OS does not effect windows stability
[00:16] <jamie_> I'm asking could there be compatibility issues?
[00:16] <Jordan_U> jamie_: ##windows might be able to help you get Windows' installer working.
[00:16] <lukas_> ikonia: Any suggestions/tips?
[00:16] <jamie_> I've checked other forums and people have had similiar issues.
[00:16] <Transhumanist> jamie: in this case, the Windows install CD should work fine, regardless of what is installed on the HD's
[00:16] <ikonia> lukas_: with what ?
[00:17] <jamie_> Well I've tried installing it on a clean hdd.
[00:17] <jamie_> It works fine.
[00:17] <anonymous> ikonia: I would refute, but I think this is just becoming unnecessary flood, so I'm going to fade into the background.
[00:17]  * anonymous fades.
[00:17] <atlef> folorn, http://www.upubuntu.com/2011/10/how-to-erase-cd-rw-dvd-rw-disc-from.html
[00:17] <jamie_> When it comes to this one, it refuses to even open the text installer for xp.
[00:17] <Jordan_U> jamie_: This is the wrong channel. Please ask in ##windows.
[00:17] <jamie_> Okay.
[00:18] <jay__> Hi
[00:18] <{messedupmatthew> can someone lend me some knowledge about my broadcom wifi drivers? please?
[00:19] <jay__> I have just installed ubuntu 12.10 on intel x64 machine and would like to install windows 8 off flashh drive. Whats the best way to go about it without causing any mbr/grub problems
[00:19] <ikonia> !broadcom | {messedupmatthew
[00:19] <{messedupmatthew> thank u
[00:19] <jamie_> Windows 8.
[00:19] <jamie_> Oh god.
[00:19] <folorn> lol
[00:19] <jay__> I cant find windows 7 x64 online
[00:20] <ikonia> jay__: install windows 8, install ubuntu, that simple
[00:20] <Transhumanist> wtf ikonia. that was uncalled for.
[00:20] <jay__> ive already installed ubuntu
[00:20] <fabio123> what about secure boot?
[00:20] <XMLnewbi_> could not create work tree dir 'electrumpos'.: Permission denied
[00:20] <XMLnewbi_> this a permission problem on my server or gethub settings?
[00:21] <Jordan_U> fabio123: Ubuntu 12.10 works on secure boot enabled firmware.
[00:21] <spiffman> Jordan_U, I compared the grub.cfg entries for the 32-bit ubuntu and the 64-bit ubuntu installations. The only differences (besides root=) are the options recordfail, insmod gzio, and gfxmode $linux_gfx_mode (they exist only in the 32-bit entry)
[00:22] <spiffman> should these options be present in the 64-bit entry?
[00:24] <jay__> im using amd 7970 gpu anyway i can update driver to so ubuntu can do dual extended monitor?
[00:24] <olynch> I currently have a problem logging in, when I hit enter it just brings me back to the login window after a black screen
[00:24] <anonymous> jay__: I'm confused, off a flash drive? Can Windows 8 even fit on a flash drive? If so, DAMN, I need to keep up with technology. Anyway...
[00:24] <jay__> yh im using yumi
[00:24] <anonymous> It should(presumably) work the same if you simply tell the BIOS to boot the USB first, and put it in.
[00:25] <anonymous> But, I have no idea, really.
[00:25] <iBurley> l
[00:25] <jay__> its not that ive been having mbr problems for the past week
[00:25] <jay__> and have successfully re-built the mbr using easeus partion usb boot
[00:26] <iBurley> Anybody ever had problems in Ubuntu where it won't recognize your side mouse buttons? Like, they will take you forward and backwards in your browser, but you can't bind them to anything?
[00:26] <jay__> setup is this ssd 64gb (ubuntu) ssd 256(windows)
[00:26] <iBurley> Specifically, I want to bind the browser forward button as push to talk in TeamSpeak.
[00:27] <iBurley> but it doesn't do anything
[00:27] <Jordan_U> jay__: After installing Windows you can follow this guide to restore grub: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_ChRoot
[00:28] <XMLnewbi_> read up on the error, it says I should install into a differnt dir but the walthough says to install in /var   is there a way to allow writing in var? I tried sudo   https://github.com/kangasbros/electrumpos/blob/master/electrumpos/install.txt
[00:28] <jay__> cheers jordan
[00:28] <anonymous> Oh god, that reminds me of the time I tried removing Ubuntu temporarily and broke GRUB, silly me.
[00:28] <anonymous> I was able to get it fixed without tutorials though...yay me.
[00:29] <spiffman> does anyone know how to append grub menu options in grub2?
[00:29] <lukas_> ikonia: with the mysql and apache2 that doesn't start
[00:31] <Jordan_U> spiffman: recordfail, insmod gzio, and gfxmode are all commands which would not affect linux's ability to access a drive.
[00:32] <jay__> anyone us xchat?
[00:32] <jay__> use
[00:32] <jay__> how do i add a channel
[00:32] <Jordan_U> spiffman: Can you be on IRC and at the initramfs shell at the same time?
[00:32] <Jordan_U> jay__: /join #channel
[00:33] <XMLnewbi_> fatal: https://github.com/kangasbros/electrumpos/tree/master/electrumpos/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server?
[00:33] <spiffman> Jordan_U, I can't think of any way, this is the only computer I have available
[00:34] <Jordan_U> spiffman: Smartphone?
[00:34] <spiffman> Jordan_U, ooh cool, never thought to irc from my phone. brb
[00:35] <Jordan_U> spiffman: Unfortunately I need to leave soon. I may be able to help tomorrow though.
[00:36] <spiffman> Jordan_U, ah ok, thanks anyways. anything i might try on my own in initramfs?
[00:37] <JVieira> ..
[00:37] <novaspirit> i have a question about zram.. but it's missing a folder called /sys/block/zramX/disksize/
[00:38] <novaspirit> i have a question about zram.. modules is loaded but it's missing a folder called /sys/block/zramX/disksize/
[00:40] <Jordan_U> spiffman: "ls -l /dev/disk/by-path/" might be interesting, and "cat /proc/partitions". It's odd that the ssd is not (apparently) not being detected. "dmesg" might give useful error messeges as well.
[00:40] <Jordan_U> spiffman: How is the ssd connected?
[00:41] <spiffman> Jordan_U, the ssd is in the laptop, the WD drive is connected via usb
[00:41] <Jordan_U> spiffman: Even more odd that the ssd is the drive not showing up then.
[00:42] <WeThePeople> does having a swap partition essential for ubuntu to work correctly?
[00:42] <spiffman> Jordan_U, the ssd is showing up, the WD drive is not. both ubuntu's are in the WD drive
[00:44] <spaceman> This is spiffman on a phone
[00:49] <spaceman> Jordan_U I'm at initramfs, I can see sda (windows) and sdb (live usb) in blkid and /dev/disk/by-path
[00:49] <n0sq> is there an irc channel for dosbox issues?
[00:50] <spaceman>  Same with /proc/partitions
[00:54] <jay__> how do upgrade my amd driver
[00:55] <jay__> I have two monitors want to dual extend
[00:55] <jay__> 7970]
[00:55] <DrCode> can I use dd to the same disk that run os? I want to backup my ubuntu
[00:55] <spaceman> Jordan_U: ooh, dmesg shows 'unable to enumerate usb device on port 2'
[00:56] <dr_willis> DrCode:  best to use a live cd.
[00:56] <DrCode> Ok
[00:56] <dr_willis> dding a running system can cause issues
[00:56] <DrCode> I see
[00:57] <DrCode> is there better programs?
[00:57] <dr_willis> thers tons of backup programs
[00:57] <dr_willis> !backup
[00:57] <DrCode> like partclone
[00:57] <atlef> clonezilla
[00:58] <dr_willis> it all depends on the details of how you want to backup/restore
[00:58] <DrCode> I think thay use partclone
[00:58] <dr_willis> and  if you want incremental backups or not
[00:58] <DrCode> I mean disk image like dd
[00:59] <DrCode> I want to be able to mount it with loop
[00:59] <atlef> i would recommend you try parted magic live cd
[00:59] <dr_willis> dd the partition to a file.
[00:59] <DrCode> ok
[01:00] <DrCode> I see
[01:00] <DrCode> I will try, thankyou
[01:01] <artie> hi all, I just installed Xubuntu 12.10, but can't find skype in the software center. Has it been discontinued or restricted in some manner by microshaft? Appreciate any info regarding it's continued suitability in ubuntu.
[01:01] <doctorly> I have ubuntu running in text mode by editing grub. but when I try to start x, the screen stays blank on the background and nothing happens. I can still move my mouse around, and when I press the power button, the power options do come up. also if I start it in graphical mode from startup, it works fine. can someone offer me a solution please:)
[01:01] <dr_willis> !skype
[01:01] <MeanEYE> artie: You have to download it from their site.
[01:02] <dr_willis> doctorly:  try 'sudo service lightdm start'
[01:02] <dr_willis> doctorly:  see if unity works that way
[01:04] <artie> ty ubotto, will look at those links.
[01:05] <MeanEYE> artie: it's a bot :D
[01:05] <dr_willis> a FEMbot! ;)
[01:05] <Haled> is there a script that removes all the annoying things in ubuntu (ubuntu one\music store\ facebook desktop integration Etc)?
[01:05] <MeanEYE> Haled: nope, but it's easy to make one.
[01:05] <dr_willis> Haled:  one mans annoying thing is anothers must have feature.. so i doubt it.
[01:06] <artie> MeanEYE: ty, but it's been in the software center recently and i was curios regarding it's unavaibility from the software center.....sometimes the unavailability of a program means something has happened and that the powers don't recommend it anylonger::>
[01:06] <dr_willis> Ubuntu One is very handy
[01:06] <Haled> well, make it less "canonical" anyways
[01:06]  * Haled uses dropbox
[01:06] <Haled> but it's the least problematic feature
[01:06] <MeanEYE> artie: Skype is closed source and spyware. So it has no business in our repos. :D Debian is pretty strict about that.
[01:08] <cyphase> does anyone know of a tool for managing file permissions on an entire filesystem? e.g. it scans the entire fs then tells you things like which files are readable/editable by other users, or search by permissions, etc
[01:08] <MeanEYE> cyphase: "find" can handle that. But it's not a tool for that specific role. It's a lot more powerful.
[01:08] <artie> MeanEYE: yes, Im aware of the problems with software that isn't opensourced and try to avoid it at all costs.
[01:08] <dr_willis> creativer use of  the 'find' command can do that
[01:09] <aquarius__> My disc is showing many disc errors in dmesg, and it appears to have been remounted read-only. I'm not sure how best to recover from this. I don't want to reboot, in case it's torched and doesn't come back. Is there anything I can try?
[01:10] <MeanEYE> cyphase: do you need help with "find" or you'll do research on your own?
[01:10] <artie> I was kinda wonderin if Bill Gates made it unavailable to linux users as a tactic to minimize competition with his software.
[01:10] <Kion1> MeanEYE: Why do you say skype is spyware?
[01:10] <MeanEYE> artie: Sad thing is, since Microsoft bought Skype, they are more regular with updates.
[01:10] <cyphase> MeanEYE, i know find can do most of what i want, but a gui tool would be nice. i can do the research on my own if needed though
[01:11] <MeanEYE> Kion1: Because it gets data from your computer and sends home. :D
[01:11] <MeanEYE> Kion1: http://www.pagetable.com/?p=27
[01:11] <Kion1> MeanEYE: have you caught it with wireshark or something?
[01:11] <MeanEYE> Kion1: I don't use it. And everything is encrypted so you can't see what's being sent. They were cought some time ago. And somehow I doubt Microsoft removed snooping tools.
[01:12] <artie> Kion1:if it isn't opensourced, then you don't know what's in the software and what it actually does to your computer.....hence it is thought of as spyware.
[01:13] <MeanEYE> artie: They were actually cought dumping bios. When people complained they said it was for DRM purposes.
[01:13] <MeanEYE> caught*
[01:14] <artie> MeanEYE: didn't know they actually got caught red handed.  ty that info.
[01:14] <MeanEYE> artie: http://www.pagetable.com/?p=27 More info there. There were other cases as well.
[01:15] <artie> I notice there are more internet telephone software packages listed in the software center these days.......I hope linux people will make something usable so that we don't have to use microsoft software.
[01:16] <Kion1> I agree with that skype, belive that itunes , etc are spying
[01:16] <Kion1> Can Ekiga communicate with skype contacts?
[01:16] <MeanEYE> Kion1: no. Skype is closed source, closed protocol and further more encrypted.
[01:17] <MeanEYE> artie: Google Talk is nice. It's not open source plugin, but protocol is open, and you can use pidgin and empathy for video calls. Although I didn't get too much success getting it to work.
[01:17] <artie> my daughter uses itunes and doesn't seem to have a clue regarding the collection of data that can be traced to her individually.
[01:17] <Kion1> artie: 100% with you
[01:18] <Kion1> Privacy was what drived me away from Microsoft and into Linux
[01:18] <MeanEYE> Kion1: came to the right place.
[01:18] <artie> I think apple got caught collecting gps data on iphone and ipod internet capable devices..to the best of my knowledge, they have not repented.
[01:18] <MeanEYE> artie: I think media made it far worse than it is. And Apple is kind of clueless with programming.
[01:19] <Kion1> seems like today we have the choice of whom will spy on us, apple or google! ja
[01:19] <Kion1> I do not trust my droid phone at all
[01:19] <artie> Kion1: right on, Im here for the same reason. Been Microsoft free since May 2011, so Im relatively new.
[01:20] <Kion1> I was freed on 2008 by linux
[01:20] <MeanEYE> Kion1: Google is a lot less violent with the data. I do use their services, but at least my data is not going anywhere. :D
[01:20] <Kion1> MeanEYE: yes, that is my perception and that is why I have a droid and not any i-whatever
[01:21] <MeanEYE> Kion1: also, since Android is Linux, you can craft hosts file nicely to prevent google analytics and other snooping sites from getting any data. :D
[01:22] <Kion1> Once out of curiosity I set my ubuntu box as a router and hooked my macbook, and listened to the bridge with wireshark, I blocked and logged any ip adress of mac, my mac went nuts trying to phone home, hundreds of times a minute on different ips of mac
[01:22] <artie> Kion1: they all spy, the personal data they collect is sold to advertising industry that uses the info to target advertising campaigns etc.
[01:23] <MeanEYE> Good thing Google is not selling data, as they are in Ads business. Doesn't pay off to sell precious data. :D So at least am getting good ads.
[01:23] <Kion1> artie: I know,a couple of days ago I needed to spec screws,  and guess what comes to my spam..... Freaking screw offers!!!
[01:23] <MeanEYE> Anyway, this is offtopic.
[01:23] <Kion1> sorry
[01:24] <artie> MeanEYE: it
[01:24] <Fudge> has anyone noticed problems setting up indicator weather in the last version
[01:24] <MeanEYE> Well, :D am guilty as well. But this channel is for support.
[01:24] <artie> 's OT for sure, but it's good to spread the word-there are many who don't even have a clue::>
[01:24] <MeanEYE> Fudge: last version of what, and on which version of OS.
[01:25] <Fudge> MeanEYE  the last versin of indicator weather and precise LTS
[01:25] <MeanEYE> Generally speaking, the best thing you can do is contact developer.
[01:26] <MeanEYE> Since it's LTS it's unlikely that API has changed.
[01:26] <Fudge> I believe I saw an update to it, now on ii  indicator-weather                      11.11.28-0ubuntu1.2
[01:26] <artie> MeanEYE and Kion1: I'm gonna be trying those open sourced telephone apps listed in the software center now......ty for discussion on privacy related issues.. GL to all.
[01:27] <MeanEYE> Fudge: did you check this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/169215/weather-indicator-app-stopped-working ?
[01:27] <MeanEYE> artie: okay!
[01:28] <acib708> Hey, anyone else having problems downloading ubuntu desktop right now? Seems like the download page is down for me
[01:29] <Kion1> artie: Good luck Ekiga is very good i think
[01:29] <Fonsie> its working for me
[01:29] <Fonsie> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/thank-you?release=latest&bits=64&distro=desktop&status=zeroc
[01:29] <MeanEYE> acib708: perhaps all the fuss over phone OS is causing problems. My suggestion is to take a look at torrents: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/alternative-downloads
[01:30] <MeanEYE> acib708: If you have problems getting torrent files I can give you a link to one (or reupload).
[01:30] <acib708> Thank you, will try torrents. Has anyone tried Ubuntu on a retina macbook?
[01:30] <MeanEYE> Screen like any other.
[01:30] <MeanEYE> Not sure about hardware support though.
[01:31] <Fudge> MeanEYE  nope that is not the problem, the final apply button does not do anything when adding your location
[01:31] <acib708> Thank you
[01:31] <Kion1> acib708: I tried to install Ubuntu on my macbook without luck
[01:31] <MeanEYE> Fudge: take a look at .xsession-errors maybe there's something there.
[01:32] <Fonsie> i need help, i tried installing ubuntu and when i tried booting it after installation got nothing but a bunch of scrolling text then it stopped and nothing happened then somebody suggested using lubuntu and so i installed that and when i tried botting that got nothing but a command prompt screen
[01:32] <MeanEYE> Kion1: acib708: I believe Mac support is going to change. Greg Kroah Hartman was working on it. He has one as well.
[01:32] <artie> acib708: I couldnt download it 3 days ago to save my live...downloads would start and close after 100 to 200 MB, for some reason, firefox thought downloads were complete......but, day before yesterday had no problem downloading it, worked first time.
[01:32] <acib708> I have installed lin on previous Mac system, but I was just wondering about the retina, since I don't want the actual resolution (everything will look tiny) but the 1440 res, with double density
[01:32] <acib708> thanks artie
[01:33] <MeanEYE> acib708: You can change font rendering resolution. So that will help.
[01:34] <artie> acbi708: Were you having similar issues or were you just unable to connect to the download site??
[01:34] <acib708> I'm unable to connect. I click download, and it takes me to http://releases.ubuntu.webxcreen.org//quantal/ubuntu-12.10-desktop-amd64.iso which then hangs, until the browser says it can't open the page
[01:36] <Kion1> acib708: what if you try with wget maybe...
[01:37] <acib708> If the torrent fails, I'll try wget, thank you (:
[01:38] <MeanEYE> acib708: It wont. :D
[01:39] <Fonsie> anybody have a minute to answer a few questions?
[01:39] <MeanEYE> Shoot.
[01:39] <Fonsie>  i tried installing ubuntu and when i tried booting it after installation got nothing but a bunch of scrolling text then it stopped and nothing happened then somebody suggested using lubuntu and so i installed that and when i tried botting that got nothing but a command prompt screen
[01:40] <Fonsie> booting*
[01:40] <Kion1> Fonsie: try startx
[01:40] <cordyceps> where are vlc log(s)?
[01:40] <Fonsie> vlc logs?
[01:40] <Kion1> or sudo /etc/init.d/lightdm restart
[01:40] <dr_willis> whatcommand prompt exactly?grub or bash
[01:40] <Anaphaxeton> tools/x86_64-lfs-linux-gnu/bin/ld: warning: libz.so.1, needed by /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.7/../../../x86_64-linux-gnu/libxml2.so, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link)
[01:40] <cordyceps> got an error, vlc says look in the log. Where?
[01:41] <cyphase> or sudo restart lightdm
[01:41] <Anaphaxeton> libz.so exist in the same dir as libxlm2.so
[01:41] <dr_willis> look in your home dir cordyceps
[01:41] <cordyceps> k, thx
[01:41] <Kion1> cyphase: It is usually better to state it with the full path /etc/init.d/lightdm restart
[01:42] <MeanEYE> cordyceps: As far as I know, vlc spits everything on terminal. So if you can start it again, start it from command line and see what comes up.
[01:42] <Fonsie> so type in either "startx" or "/etc/init.d/lightdm restart"
[01:42] <VlanX> could please anybody help me to fing video drivers for my old ATI card?
[01:42] <Kion1> Fonsie: try each
[01:42] <MeanEYE> VlanX: Be specific which card.
[01:42] <Kion1> Fonsie: with Sudo
[01:42] <Fonsie> sudo?
[01:43] <Kion1> Fonsie: yes it means "Super user do"
[01:43] <dr_willis> just try 'startx'first/
[01:43] <Fonsie> all i know is i installed it then when i rebooted, there was a command prompt asking for login id and password
[01:44] <Fonsie> so type my id and password then try what you suggested?
[01:45] <Kion1> Fonsie: yes
[01:45] <Fonsie> alright, thank you
[01:45] <VlanX> MeanEYE: http://pastebin.com/KSYJ8Ncw
[01:45] <Six92> Hello all .... anyone have a link that explains how to get Ubuntu loaded as the sole OS on a late 2012 Mac Mini?
[01:46] <MeanEYE> VlanX: I don't think your card is supported by official ATI drivers.
[01:47] <VlanX> MeanEYE: that means i wouldn't be able to use 3D with 12.10 ?
[01:47] <MeanEYE> VlanX: I think you would be able to, but not sure if gaming is an option.
[01:48] <VlanX> MeanEYE: no. i would just like to have the 3D acceleration for unity
[01:48] <MeanEYE> VlanX: So you need to install xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[01:48] <MeanEYE> That's open source ATI driver, which has your card listed as supported.
[01:49] <MeanEYE> You can get more information here: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/man4/radeon.4.html
[01:49] <MeanEYE> On what's supported and what's not.
[01:49] <VlanX> MeanEYE: great, thank you :)
[01:50] <MeanEYE> VlanX: You are welcome. You could check if official one supports it, but if I remember correctly windows drivers don't support that card anymore, so I doubt Linux ones do.
[01:52] <VlanX> MeanEYE: no, i don't expect an AGP 86x card to be supported anymore, that is out of the quesion. It is just sad to trow away a 2.8GhZ PC, so i tought i could get linux on it and give it to my little brother :)
[01:52] <MeanEYE> VlanX: Oh, okay. ATI is not all that cooperative.
[01:53] <MeanEYE> VlanX: Good news is, open source drive is in a lot better state than nVidia's one.
[01:53] <jay__> Is there any software that blocks internationally calls 'if i somehow connected landline through pc'
[01:53] <VlanX> MeanEYE: i always tought that was nvidia to be non friendly with linux
[01:54] <anonymous> Did...did you just say an open source driver is in a better state than a proprietary one? MADNESS! Wish I had a graphics card to test that statement.
[01:54] <jay__> getting too many cold calls
[01:54] <MeanEYE> VlanX: all of them are. They are afraid of opening source code. They think people will steal their secret optimizations.
[01:54] <anonymous> I really need to get a new machine, mine...has a Celeron D, that should say enough.
[01:54] <MeanEYE> anonymous: No, came out wrong. :) Open source driver for ATI is better than Nouveau.
[01:54] <MeanEYE> I think.
[01:55] <Kriminel_> VlanX i concur, i managed to completely toast 12.10 with the nvidia driver
[01:55] <anonymous> Oh, I see.
[01:55] <anonymous> Well thanks for clarifying.
[01:55] <MeanEYE> :D Don't mention it.
[01:56] <VlanX> now this sucks... i switched completely to linux months ago and i aint getting back to windows for all the gold in the world
[01:56] <MeanEYE> VlanX: Why that sucks?
[01:57] <dr_willis> ive had very few issues with nvidia. but it can depend on the exact chipset
[01:57] <dr_willis> noveau drivers seem to work well for desktop ussage also
[01:57] <MeanEYE> Yup. Nice and stable.
[01:58] <zwirc> Is there any differnce in Apache2 and Apache Tomcat?
[01:58] <VlanX> MeanEYE: well, if i was a gamer i should have a partition w/ windows just to get the games running and this is nonsense
[01:58] <jay__> anyone use wine for photoshop/ heavy cpu dependent software
[01:58] <Six92> Sorry I lost connection
[01:58] <MeanEYE> VlanX: Not anymore. With Steam now, number of games are increasing.
[01:58] <VlanX> jay__: i'd like to know if i can run photoshop w/ wine too
[01:59] <MeanEYE> VlanX: I have 40ish games from humble bundle, and few more on Steam.
[01:59] <Six92> Anyone have a guide on how to install ubuntu on a late 2012 mac mini please? I have Googled til I am blue
[01:59] <VlanX> MeanEYE: too bad market share for linux is still 1-1.5 %
[01:59] <MeanEYE> VlanX: A lot of people say those numbers are incorect. And that they are somewhere around 8 or 9.
[02:00] <MeanEYE> VlanX: Fun fact is, Microsoft considers Linux to be a far bigger threat than Apple.
[02:00] <dr_willis> Six92:  ubuntu forums or askubuntu.com would be where id look
[02:00] <Six92> thanks, been all over to try and find a way
[02:01] <Six92> everyone says VM
[02:01] <Six92> ;(
[02:01] <Six92> I want Ubuntu to be the sole OS
[02:02] <KsM> < MeanEYE> VlanX: Fun fact is, Microsoft considers Linux to be a far bigger threat than  Apple.
[02:02] <VlanX> MeanEYE: i have a friend of mine which is a lawyer and of course she knows nothing about PC's and stuff, she asked me to get her PC rid of win 8. I installed 12.10, a little afraid that she couldn't get used to the change, but she hated win 8 so much that she beg me to get that thing off at any cost. Surprisingly enough she managed to get along perfectly with Ubuntu and that was a great pleasure for me :)
[02:02] <jay__> Six92: Lacks software
[02:02] <jay__> Top end
[02:02] <KsM> probably only because Apple tries to make it so you can only install Mac OS on Apple's machines
[02:03] <doctorly> whoever gave me the tip about "sudo service lightdm start" thanks a ton! I couldnt respond because my interface started, or I would have thanked you then:)
[02:03] <jay__> KsM: Im sure apple allow you to install other os's on there machines
[02:03] <KsM> no, iirc, Apple machines have a special ID chip or -something- that tells the OS that it's an apple machine
[02:03] <jay__> anyone use wine?
[02:03] <xangua> !anyone | jay__
[02:04] <dr_willis> jay__:  lots of people do
[02:04] <KsM> and when people hackintosh or whatever they find a way to bypass that
[02:04] <VlanX> jay__: i do
[02:04] <MeanEYE> VlanX: http://www.osnews.com/story/21035/Ballmer_Linux_Bigger_Competitor_than_Apple
[02:04] <KsM> but I might be wrong on how they do it, but I'm pretty sure they do it
[02:04] <Six92> I need an idiots guide I guess
[02:05] <doctorly> how can you scroll through letters in links2 to select specific text? hope someone knows this!
[02:05] <jay__> How does wine handle photoshop?
[02:05] <MeanEYE> jay__: Depends on version.
[02:06] <VlanX> MeanEYE: now this graph is wrong. Between yellow and blue it's more like the opposite :P
[02:06] <Fonsie> ok, so i typed startx in the command prompt in lubuntu and it went through a ton of text then stopped and said there was an error
[02:07] <jay__> MeanEye: cs6 extended x64bit
[02:07] <VlanX> and really so many ppl stuck to IE ?
[02:07] <VlanX> pretty sick
[02:07] <MeanEYE> VlanX: it's microsoft internal stuff. But good thing is, Microsoft's presence on inteernet fell below 30%. Which is good. No more monopoly.
[02:07] <Transhumanist> VlanX: yeah I got my girlfriend onto 12.10 in a similar way.  I installed Ubuntu 12.10, and besides the learning curve of switching from explorer to Unity, she's loved it. So much faster.
[02:08] <acib708> does anyone know whats the 12.10 desktop 64 bit iso md5 checksum?
[02:08] <MeanEYE> jay__: appdb.winehq.com says silver. So it might work. Older versions are probably better supported.
[02:09] <seednode> acib708, does it not say on the site...?
[02:09] <Transhumanist> acib708: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[02:09] <acib708> oh, thanks
[02:09] <Transhumanist> np
[02:09] <VlanX> MeanEYE, Transhumanist: i'm telling you guys, the thing that made the most revenue for micro$oft was the high number of pirated copies on windows, that managed to let it become so used and popular
[02:09] <MeanEYE> VlanX: no, they are way off. If you take into account android, ios, chrome, firefox. MS is way down.
[02:09] <Fonsie> can anybody help me for a minute?
[02:09] <MeanEYE> Fonsie: just ask a question, don't ask about asking. :D
[02:09] <Transhumanist> dunno yet, Fonsie. You haven't asked.
[02:09] <Transhumanist> :p
[02:10] <dr_willis> state the error message if any...
[02:10] <Fonsie> ok, so i typed startx in the command prompt in lubuntu and it went through a ton of text then stopped and said there was an error
[02:10] <Fonsie> there was an error message but forgot exactly what it said
[02:10] <zwirc> I did a mistake and sudo chown -R user:user /
[02:11] <zwirc> anyway to fix?
[02:11] <MeanEYE> Fonsie: Logs for Xorg are located at /var/log/Xorg.0.log, check for errors there.
[02:11] <Fonsie> when i typed that in it said permission denied
[02:11] <MeanEYE> Fonsie: Try "
[02:11] <MeanEYE> Try "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[02:12] <Jordan_U> zwirc: To be safe you really need to re-install unfortunately.
[02:12] <Fonsie> ahh, also...when i was in here before and somebody said to use the startx command they also gave me another command but i forgot it
[02:13] <Fonsie> it wasa sudo command
[02:13] <Fonsie> was a*
[02:13] <MeanEYE> zwirc: It's best to reinstall as Jordan_U said. Just to keep your system secure.
[02:13] <zwirc> Jordan_U tnx
[02:13] <Jordan_U> zwirc: You're welcome.
[02:13] <goddard> what is the lightest DE?
[02:13] <MeanEYE> Fonsie: You should have access to logs without super user priviledges.
[02:13] <MeanEYE> goddard: Depends what you consider DE, and how light. E17 is worth looking at.
[02:14] <jay__> how do i install flash. Even though I have. Youtube keeps saying "the adobe flash player is required@
[02:14] <MeanEYE> goddard: I personally use i3 window manager. And it's the lightest thing ever.
[02:14] <dr_willis> goddard:  lightest full featured de would be 'lubuntu'
[02:14] <MeanEYE> jay__: which browser?
[02:14] <jay__> firefox
[02:14] <dr_willis> goddard:  which uses lxde
[02:15] <MeanEYE> jay__: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[02:15] <Fonsie> meanEYE: if i find an error in the logs how do i fix it?
[02:15] <Transhumanist> I thought Flash wasn't supported anymore?
[02:15] <Transhumanist> what version of Flash is that?
[02:15] <rbnswartz> If I find an old bug on launchpad that I know has already been fixed or is irrelevant what steps should I take to get it closed?
[02:15] <goddard> MeanEYE, lxde is lighter then xfce?
[02:15] <MeanEYE> Fonsie: depends on the error. Let us know and we'll try to help.
[02:15] <Fonsie> alright, thank you
[02:15] <dr_willis> goddard:  lxde is lighter then xfce. yes
[02:15] <MeanEYE> goddard: Depends, both based on GTK.
[02:16] <MeanEYE> But yeah it is.
[02:16] <goddard> im trying to get netflix to run as good as possible?
[02:16] <dr_willis> goddard:  buy a roku? ;)
[02:16] <MeanEYE> rbnswartz: Log in to launchpad and post to that bug.
[02:16] <jay__> MeanEye: cheers
[02:16] <jay__> MeanEye: all working!
[02:16] <dr_willis> the wine/browser/netflix will take up 10x resources then  your window manager i bet.
[02:17] <MeanEYE> jay__: Glad it's working. Do note that Chrome doesn't need a plugin, but firefox does. :D
[02:17] <rbnswartz> MeanEYE besides that. Is there anything else that can be done?
[02:17] <goddard> dr_willis, i thought about it, but i already have this system and it has a lot of space so i can also upload my dvds to it
[02:17] <jay__> MeanEye: Got it
[02:17] <MeanEYE> rbnswartz: Contacting developers. Email or finding them here.
[02:17] <dr_willis> goddard:  what does that have to do with netflix then? ;)
[02:17] <jay__> Whats a good ubuntu theme for working.
[02:17] <dr_willis> roku can play files froma pc.
[02:18] <goddard> dr_willis, haha nothing but it is one thing im thinking about
[02:18] <jay__> As is research/word procesing etc..
[02:18] <dr_willis> theres other media-center gizmos out also
[02:18] <MeanEYE> jay__: That's a weird question. I like stock Ambiance, and Radiance. But Zukitwo Dark is <3
[02:18] <dr_willis> jay__:  just get to work and stop playing with themes ... ;)
[02:18] <goddard> dr_willis, i prefer having access to use my 52" tv as a computer/media system
[02:19] <jay__> dr_willis: I agree
[02:19] <dr_willis> goddard:  my tv does netflix ;)  and plays files from my pc/upnp server
[02:19] <Transhumanist> roku boxes is very closed down and proprietary isn't it?  And there'sn othing you can do about it.
[02:20] <dr_willis> vs running netflix in a browser running wine on a pc thats laggy
[02:20] <MeanEYE> If we are talking about Unity
[02:20] <goddard> dr_willis, yeah your right
[02:20] <goddard> dr_willis, but its the best for people that like to also run linux
[02:20] <dr_willis> i bought a xios android settop box today. will see if it does netflix later
[02:20] <jay__> MeanEye: http://www.upubuntu.com/2012/07/a-list-of-best-15-ubuntu-1204-themes.html
[02:20] <Transhumanist> goddard: http://lifehacker.com/5963726/netflix-finally-comes-to-ubuntu-in-the-form-of-an-unofficial-desktop-app
[02:20] <jay__> Whats this?
[02:21] <MeanEYE> jay__: list fo themes.
[02:21] <Transhumanist> that might be worth trying, goddard.
[02:21] <MeanEYE> jay__: zukitwo I mentioned is there as well. I suggest that one.
[02:21] <dr_willis> netflix on ubuntu, runs in wine, running firefox, and can be very laggy.
[02:21] <dr_willis> it does cartoons ok ;) fromwhay i see
[02:21] <Transhumanist> it's still Wine, but it's a pre-built package. you might find it less buggy
[02:21] <goddard> Transfusion, im using that right now, but fullscreen movies get kinda slow and jerky
[02:21] <goddard> Transhumanist, ^
[02:22] <Transhumanist> fair enough
[02:22] <dr_willis> goddard:  its poffible ussing a minimal wm may help. but i doubt it
[02:22] <goddard> im thinking maybe i need a new video card
[02:22] <goddard> i got this system for 300 bucks
[02:22] <Transhumanist> it could be your graphics driver, too
[02:22] <dr_willis> ive heard its laggy  on very high end sytems also
[02:23] <goddard> dr_willis, it runs nice on my i7 with Nvidia GPU
[02:23] <goddard> dr_willis, but that is my laptop haha
[02:24] <dr_willis> goddard:  cartoons run well for me.. kids watch dora. ;)
[02:24] <dr_willis> not really tried more
[02:26] <psychopathic> i love ubuntu.
[02:26] <MeanEYE> psychopathic: Good!
[02:26] <atlef> good for you
[02:26] <Transhumanist> It's fantastic.
[02:26] <atlef> :-)
[02:26] <psychopathic> it works perfectly.
[02:27] <F3Speech> it works as well as the user :)
[02:27] <goddard> its gotta be the GPU cause my memory and CPU aren't maxed out
[02:27] <Transhumanist> what's the GPU?
[02:27] <goddard> Transhumanist, i think it is an intergrated ati but let me check
[02:28] <Haematoma> I'm setting up SSH,
[02:28] <Haematoma> Server is ran on ubuntu machine, client is on Macbook Pro
[02:28] <Haematoma> I set up key based authentication, but I'm not sure what files to copy over to the mac so I can login.
[02:29] <MeanEYE> Haematoma: .pub goes on server, private key stays on client.
[02:29] <Haematoma> ok,
[02:29] <Haematoma> I generated the key using the server, will that be an issue?
[02:29] <MeanEYE> Haematoma: No. It's okay.
[02:29] <Haematoma> I copied id_rsa to a flash drive, and then over to my mac
[02:29] <goddard> Transhumanist, VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Wrestler [Radeon HD 6320] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[02:30] <MeanEYE> Haematoma: you can copy them anywhere you like. You can also reuse them on more than one machine.
[02:30] <Haematoma> mmk
[02:30] <jay__> how do i delete a file on usb?
[02:30] <MeanEYE> Haematoma: Do you know how they are used/configured?
[02:30] <Haematoma> I do not.
[02:30] <jay__> there is no 'move to recycle bin'
[02:30] <Haematoma> I assume i move the key to my mac home user folder
[02:31] <MeanEYE> Haematoma: Not really. Am not sure where on mac it is, but you can specify key when loggin in.
[02:31] <MeanEYE> Haematoma: Did you configure server?
[02:31] <Haematoma> so something like "cp SOURCE $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa
[02:31] <Haematoma> kk
[02:31] <Haematoma> I configured the server using the follow guide:
[02:31] <MeanEYE> Haematoma: yes, it's probably .ssh (it is on linux).
[02:31] <Transhumanist> goddard: using the OSS driver or proprietary?
[02:32] <Haematoma> http://blog.agdunn.net/?p=54
[02:32] <MeanEYE> jay__: trash? or delete? Which program. You need to be more specific.
[02:32] <Transhumanist> whichever one you're using, couldn't hurt to try switching to the other and testing netflix to see if it's better or worse
[02:32] <goddard> Transhumanist, using the one i got with jockey
[02:32] <Transhumanist> jockey???
[02:32] <goddard> that additional drivers program in settings
[02:32] <goddard> it was called jockey once upon a time
[02:33] <Transhumanist> have you tried the the other driver listed there? probably the OSS one. Can't see it improving things, but I've pleasantly surprised myself in this manner many times before
[02:33] <jay__> delete and iso file
[02:33] <jay__> an
[02:33] <jay__> on usb
[02:33] <MeanEYE> Haematoma: Okay, looks reasonable. So on server, each user has .ssh/authorized_keys file which is basically .pub part of the keys.
[02:33] <jay__> any easy way of placing a bootable iso on usb?
[02:33] <jay__> windows 8/7 to be exact
[02:33] <jay__> from ubuntu
[02:34] <jay__> otherwise have to transfer iso to windows and use yumi
[02:34] <Haematoma> ahh, so I will need to add my pub key to each allowed user's .ssh/authorized_keys file
[02:34] <MeanEYE> Haematoma: So, if it's located in /home/test/.ssh/authorized keys, that key will work only for user "test".
[02:34] <MeanEYE> Haematoma: yes.
[02:34] <Haematoma> mmk
[02:34] <Haematoma> I'll check, thank you.
[02:34] <Haematoma> one moment
[02:34] <MeanEYE> Haematoma: When you are logging in from your mac, you do "ssh -i id_rsa_whatever user@server"
[02:35] <goddard> Transhumanist, ill give that a go see what happens
[02:35] <MeanEYE> Haematoma: Generally speaking you can skip specifying keyfile and then system will try all available until it finds a matching one. This can be a problem if you have try limit smaller than number of keys.
[02:35] <goddard> Transhumanist, also gonna try lxde
[02:36] <Haematoma> ok, I double checked to make sure that authorized had pub keys by perofrming the following action:
[02:36] <dr_willis> jay__:  ive heard you can dd the iso straight to the flash
[02:37] <dr_willis> jay__:  some of the tools at the pendrivelinux site may support that job also
[02:37] <Haematoma> from home direction, cat .ssh/id_rsa.pub >> .ssh/authorized_keys
[02:37] <Transhumanist> jay: a quick google revelead this: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/create-bootable-windows-7-usb-drive.html
[02:37] <wbf> Okay everyone so I try to manually start X and it says I have NO xorg.conf
[02:37] <Transhumanist> might be worth a look
[02:37] <Haematoma> directory*
[02:37] <wbf> I swear I put one there
[02:37] <dr_willis> wbf:  i dont need a xorg.conf ;) normally
[02:38] <MeanEYE> Haematoma: authorized_keys is on server.
[02:38] <wbf> dr_willis: I am using a kind of weird graphics card based on arm called the Mali 400 GPU
[02:38] <Haematoma> yes
[02:38] <wbf> dr_willis: I need an xorg.conf for hdmi cause that's it's only output
[02:38] <Transhumanist> oh god, Mali 400
[02:39] <dr_willis> wbf:  so ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf shows?
[02:39] <MeanEYE> Haematoma: Word of advice, don't leave private key on the server itself.
[02:39] <Haematoma> MeanEYE: any particular reason?
[02:39] <wbf> dr_willis: Nope, How did it dissapear?
[02:39] <Haematoma> MeanEYE: physical access/
[02:39] <Haematoma> ?*
[02:39] <MeanEYE> Haematoma: yes.
[02:39] <dr_willis> wbf:  first guess.. you did a typo.
[02:40] <MeanEYE> Haematoma: public part of the key can't be generated without private.
[02:40] <dr_willis> wbf:  its not like x removes it.
[02:40] <MeanEYE> Haematoma: and the other way around. If  you want security, keep them separate.
[02:40] <Haematoma> do i need to chmod my authorized_keys file?
[02:40] <wbf> dr_willis: I need you to build me an xorg.conf.
[02:40] <Haematoma> ok, will do
[02:41] <Haematoma> i'm looking at permissions and all i see is read and write
[02:41] <MeanEYE> Haematoma: yes, they need to be u=rw, none for others.
[02:41] <dr_willis> wbf:  ive not had to use an xorg.conf in several years
[02:41] <wbf> Who can build me an xorg.conf for HDMI for the mali 400?
[02:41] <MeanEYE> Haematoma: As in only user needs to have only read and write. Both user and group need to be set up for user that is logging in.
[02:41] <wbf> So far I've gotten to the commandline
[02:41] <wbf> which is a good sign
[02:42] <dr_willis> wbf:  i would say hit up google and find one allready made
[02:42] <Haematoma> my server is listening on <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:42] <Haematoma> I'm assuming that is the router?
[02:42] <MeanEYE> wbf: Xorg detects settings on its own, so just instruct him to load the right driver.
[02:42] <MeanEYE> Haematoma: ip address can't end with 0. So it's nothing :D It's probably <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:42] <MeanEYE> Haematoma: And yes, probably router.
[02:42] <Haematoma> ahhh
[02:43] <Haematoma> address should be same as gateway address if I want it to only listening to forwarded ports
[02:43] <wbf> MeanEYE: I'm saying I need an xorg.conf BUILT for me cause I really don't wanna mess up my device any more then it already is, as in no typos.
[02:43] <Haematoma> my bad, I assumed <IP_ADDRESS> was ALL adresses from xx.xx...0-999
[02:44] <Transhumanist> 0 to 255
[02:44] <Haematoma> >.<, yeah
[02:44] <Haematoma> doh!
[02:44] <MeanEYE> wbf: I've never used that GPU, sorry. Perhaps someone with experience can.
[02:44] <dr_willis> wbf:  its not like a messed xorg.conf will blow up the pc
[02:44] <Transhumanist> or not. minus 0.
[02:44] <MeanEYE> Haematoma: Depends on your netmask. :)
[02:44] <dr_willis> at least not these days. ;)
[02:45] <MeanEYE> Haematoma: netmask will tell you what is a network IP and what is broadcast.
[02:45] <wbf> dr_willis: It's not a PC. It's an android stick.
[02:47] <MeanEYE> wbf: Only thing I could find was this: http://linux-sunxi.org/Mali400#Lima_open_source_Mali_driver
[02:47] <Haematoma> what ip should I put if I want to listen for all internal IP addresses?
[02:47] <MeanEYE> It's not a configuration, but might give you some insight.
[02:48] <MeanEYE> Haematoma: You mean in sshd config/
[02:48] <wbf> MeanEYE: I already have a driver, I just need an xorg.config. THAT's all
[02:48] <MeanEYE> wbf: Ah, okay. Sorry I never played with that gpu.
[02:48] <Transhumanist> I'm not sure we can help. :)
[02:49] <Haematoma> MeanEYE: yes, I'm wondering which listening IP I should set.
[02:49] <TheLordOfTime> Haematoma, what internal IP ranges are you using?  192.168.1.x or 10.0.0.x or... ?
[02:50] <MeanEYE> Haematoma: That IP is used to tell SSHd on which interface (network card) to listen. Ommiting that in config will default to listening on all interfaces. So, I'd leave it out. Chances are you don't have 2 networks.
[02:50] <Haematoma> ahhh
[02:50] <TheLordOfTime> Haematoma, i'd agree with MeanEYE, filter connections at the firewall
[02:50] <wbf> MeanEYE: Just give me a standard XORG.conf for hdmi that you think might work
[02:50] <MeanEYE> wbf: do you know the driver name?
[02:50] <TheLordOfTime> Haematoma, at the firewall, you can configure what IP range(s) can actually access whatever port or what not
[02:50] <Haematoma> TheLordOfTime: I'm using 192.168.1.x
[02:50] <wbf> MeanEYE: No but I tried a default that was altered and I think the default will work
[02:51] <wbf> MeanEYE: so just try a default xorg.conf for hdmi
[02:52] <Haematoma> TheLordOfTime: If I'm using 192.168.1.x configuration, what should I set my listen address to?
[02:52] <TheLordOfTime> Haematoma, leave it blank, as MeanEYE said
[02:52] <TheLordOfTime> Haematoma, if you're not running two networks, you don't change the bind port.
[02:52] <TheLordOfTime> s/bind port/listen address/
[02:52] <TheLordOfTime> Haematoma, i would suggest that you do the IP filtering at the firewall level, not at the SSHd level.
[02:53] <TheLordOfTime> i can help with that if need be
[02:53] <MeanEYE> wbf: okay, but am not sure it will work. Here it is: http://pastebin.com/Fq1ue1Ha
[02:54] <wbf> MeanEYE: it's worth a shot ;)
[02:54] <MeanEYE> Certainly.
[02:54] <MeanEYE> wbf: also, you can freely remove "Files" section.
[02:54] <Haematoma> Ok, it's working now. Thanks!
[02:54] <MeanEYE> You are welcome.
[02:55] <wbf> MeanEYE: the xorg wiki is down that's why I'm asking
[02:55] <MeanEYE> wbf: Okay :D I just gave you my "intel" config file.
[02:56] <wbf> MeanEYE: another day another "sudo nautilus"
[02:56] <MeanEYE> wbf: Dear Linus Torvalds... why on earth would you do that?
[02:57] <wbf> MeanEYE: sorry about that... my xchat lagged out or I accidentally closed the window
[02:58] <MeanEYE> No need to be sorry.
[03:00] <Haematoma> MeanEYE: are there any security vulnerabilities in an SSH server with keyauthentication that I should know about?
[03:00] <MeanEYE> Haematoma: No. Safest thing evar. I usually set that up and disable password auth.
[03:00] <Haematoma> MeanEYE: my installation and configuration was done using the most recent repositories
[03:00] <Haematoma> MeanEYE: kk, thank you for your help!
[03:00] <MeanEYE> Keys are never exchanged over network, and connection is encrypted.
[03:01] <MeanEYE> Linux is no joke when it comes to security :D
[03:01] <Haematoma> Plenty of documentation, too1
[03:01] <MeanEYE> And friendly folks. :D
[03:01] <MeanEYE> All for free.
[03:03] <Transhumanist> Unless you're on #arch. ;) I kid. Sort of.
[03:03] <MeanEYE> Heh
[03:05] <convict> I have proxmox with an ubuntu VM setup using virtio networking drivers and I can't get networking to work although everything is setup right and should be working.
[03:06] <convict> is something with virtio drivers broken?
[03:09] <hero616> This page is about "what is free software": http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html It is written in Chinese and there is no choice to read it in English. I think it's because of my IP address, can anyone send me a link of English version?
[03:11] <MeanEYE> THewre's a language selection on top. Can't you use that?
[03:11] <hero616> No, some page have but that page don't.
[03:12] <MeanEYE> Do you need just text?
[03:14] <MeanEYE> http://pastebin.com/eeEE3TCF
[03:15] <axisys> how to convert xml to pdf ? (asked on -offtopic as well)
[03:16] <MeanEYE> XML to PDF?
[03:16] <MeanEYE> What kind of XML?
[03:16] <hero616> I have tried append .en and it work. The Chinese version gives no choice to switch to other language version. It's not freedom.
[03:16] <MeanEYE> hero616: http://pastebin.com/eeEE3TCF
[03:17] <hero616> MeanEYE: Thanks.
[03:17] <axisys> MeanEYE: safari book online
[03:17] <MeanEYE> You are welcome.
[03:17] <MeanEYE> axisys: Hm, you could print to PDF?
[03:17] <axisys> MeanEYE: that will take forever for 200 pages
[03:18] <MeanEYE> axisys: Doubt. Besides, :D it's not like you are cutting wood. Computer is doing the hard work.
[03:18] <axisys> MeanEYE: i can get url for each page in xml using wget
[03:18] <MeanEYE> o_0
[03:19] <MeanEYE> URL?
[03:19] <MeanEYE> Is it a website?
[03:19] <axisys> MeanEYE: safari book online? yes
[03:19] <MeanEYE> That's the title "Safari Book Online"?
[03:19] <axisys> safaribooksonline.com
[03:20] <mistertwig> o my
[03:20] <mistertwig> hello friends!
[03:20] <MeanEYE> Ah, so you are trying to download a book they otherwise sell?
[03:20] <axisys> MeanEYE: you need an account to read
[03:20] <axisys> MeanEYE: I have monthly subscription
[03:21] <MeanEYE> Am guessing they consider it leasing, not selling.
[03:21] <axisys> MeanEYE: they give you tokens to download the book
[03:21] <MeanEYE> Hm, so, in which format do you download it?
[03:21] <axisys> once you accumulate enough tokens you can download a book..
[03:22] <axisys> MeanEYE: it gives you epub/mobi/pdf
[03:22] <axisys> as options
[03:22] <MeanEYE> What's the name of the book?
[03:22] <axisys> MeanEYE: Building Wireless Sensor Networks
[03:22] <Transhumanist> Arduino?
[03:23] <jon___> hi, an ubuntu install on a headless machine is no longer reachable.  The switch it is connected to doesn't show it is connected (yes, tried known working cables).  Is it possible that this is a software issue (bad driver on the ethernet port?) or is the ethernet jack on the headless machine blown?
[03:23] <Transhumanist> ZigBee?
[03:23] <axisys> Transhumanist: arduino/xbee/zigbee
[03:23] <Transhumanist> yeah I've got it
[03:23] <axisys> i need to wait another month to get enough tokens.. i want to print it now
[03:23] <MeanEYE> axisys: I probably shouldn't be doing this. http://www.rfdh.com/ez/system/db/lib_jnl/upload/3521/1129454260/[MWRF0509]_Building_Wireless_Sensor_Networks.pdf
[03:24] <dr_willis> books on paper? how quaint
[03:24] <MeanEYE> jon___: could be a number of things.
[03:24] <Transhumanist> Just be aware that in that box, he likes to do things from scratch a lot. But often you can by prebuilt modules for things
[03:24] <axisys> MeanEYE: i am not planning to click it.. sorry :-(
[03:24] <MeanEYE> Okay then. I can't help you otherwise.
[03:24] <pierre___> hello
[03:24] <Transhumanist> for instance, if you don't want to solder, you can buy the ZigBee shields from the Arduino store
[03:25] <axisys> i really like to find a way to xml to pdf
[03:25] <Transhumanist> xml isn't a viewable document. it's more like a config file.
[03:25] <Fonsie> meanEYE: i typed in what you told me and it gave me a "fatal server error"
[03:25] <axisys> Transhumanist: shouldnt there be a way to convert it to pdf then?
[03:25] <Fonsie> then said under that "no screens found"
[03:26] <MeanEYE> Fonsie: can you remind me what the problem was, I have a gold-fish-memory.
[03:26] <Fonsie> also said "xinit: unable to connect to xserver
[03:26] <jon___> couldn't you open the xml in a text editor and print to a pdf printer?
[03:26] <Transhumanist> axisys: sure, open it in your favourite document viewer and click save as pdf
[03:27] <Fonsie> installed lubuntu and when trying to boot it i get a command prompt
[03:27] <Transhumanist> it didn't fully install then, Fonsie
[03:27] <axisys> Transhumanist: xml to pdf will look like as if I printed it
[03:27] <Fonsie> and when i type in startx it scrolls through a bunch of text then stop with that error i just listed
[03:27] <Transhumanist> axisys: exactly
[03:27] <axisys> Transhumanist: do not want to read actual xml file.
[03:27] <Transhumanist> xml is NOT a document. Each app will process the XML file differently
[03:27] <dr_willis> Fonsie:  but sudo service lightdm works correctly?
[03:27] <axisys> Transhumanist: what viewer will let me read it?
[03:27] <jon___> got a question. I did an ubuntu install on a headless machine and it is no longer reachable.  The switch it is connected to doesn't show it is connected (yes, tried known working cables).  Is it possible that this is a software issue (bad driver on the ethernet port?) or is the ethernet jack on the headless machine blown?
[03:27] <Transhumanist> do you mean HTML?
[03:28] <Fonsie> idk, im not very good at all this
[03:28] <Fonsie> and dont know command prompts at all
[03:28] <axisys> Transhumanist: what app can I use to view xml file?
[03:28] <Transhumanist> You can't.
[03:28] <Transhumanist> It's not a document.
[03:28] <dr_willis> jon___:  could be either one.  but its rare that a wired nic has driver issues
[03:28] <Transhumanist> You can open the xml file in any text editor
[03:28] <axisys> 22:27:53 < Transhumanist> axisys: sure, open it in your favourite document  viewer and click save as pdf
[03:28] <UmBsublime> just open it as a text file
[03:28] <UmBsublime> vim filename
[03:29] <axisys> Transhumanist: ^
[03:29] <UmBsublime> or nano maybe
[03:29] <dr_willis> Fonsie:  try the command ' sudo service lightdm start'     does it work correctly?
[03:29] <MeanEYE> He's actually talking about xhtml, I think.
[03:29] <UmBsublime> what does it mather?
[03:29] <Transhumanist> I think we're misunderstanding eachother. XML files are like source code or config files. They are just words and characters. You save them to PDF as you do any other text file.
[03:29] <MeanEYE> It doesn't.
[03:29] <jon___> dr willis: thanks.
[03:29] <Fonsie> meanEYE: also, i typed in "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" and says permission denied
[03:30] <MeanEYE> Fonsie: that's not a command it's a file.  :P
[03:30] <Fonsie> ill try cat first then
[03:31] <Transhumanist> I don't know if axisys knows the difference, that's all MeanEYE :p
[03:31] <Fonsie> so i should type "cat "/var/log/Xorg.0.log""?
[03:31] <docmur> Does anyone have any idea how to actually point serviio to folder so it can find video's, the android app doesn't work as it wont actually add the files to the server and I can't find any guide on how do to it.
[03:31] <MeanEYE> Fonsie: no need for quotes.
[03:31] <dr_willis> !info serviio
[03:31] <axisys> Transhumanist: yep.. I did not know the difference until now
[03:32] <axisys> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd this is in the top of the file
[03:32] <Fonsie> and the other one doesnt have anything in it? just sudo service lightdm start?
[03:32] <axisys> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
[03:32] <axisys> more like this ^
[03:33] <dr_willis> Fonsie:  ' sudo service lightdm start'   no quotes needed
[03:33] <Transhumanist> axisys: do you have a link to the XHTML file?
[03:33] <Transhumanist> because if so, just paste it into your web browser
[03:33] <Transhumanist> in the URL field
[03:33] <Transhumanist> that should view it
[03:34] <kslater> is there an easy tweak to change the location of the minimize/maximize/restore buttons on the window border?
[03:34] <Transhumanist> otherwise, point your web browser to the XHTML file location, also in the URL bar
[03:34] <dr_willis> !controls
[03:34] <kslater> I keep looking to the top right (muscle memory)
[03:34] <kslater> thanks ubottu
[03:34] <Transhumanist> it passes after a week or two, kslater :p
[03:34] <dr_willis> kslater:  theres teeaks to move them
[03:34] <dr_willis> but fullscreen apps still have it on the left
[03:35] <kslater> it's all about the themes. Should have figured
[03:35] <dr_willis> themes can define which side to put them on
[03:35] <axisys>  wget --http-user=myusername --http-password="secret" http://my.safaribooksonline.com/book/networking/wireless/780596807757/xbee-api-protocol/118 got me page 118
[03:35] <axisys> Transhumanist: ^
[03:35] <dr_willis> thye run some command that tweaks the setting
[03:35] <axisys> Transhumanist: then google-chrome 118 did not work out
[03:36] <Transhumanist> I don't understand what you're trying to do. Can you explain it?
[03:37] <MeanEYE> Transhumanist: he reads books on that site, and he wants to download and print the book.
[03:38] <Transhumanist> That could involve a fair bit of coding, depending on how the site serves the book :)
[03:38] <Transhumanist> They'll likely try to prevent that
[03:38] <kslater> that was easy ->  gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout --type string "menu:minimize,maximize,close"
[03:38] <kslater> and I can always unset them and go back
[03:38] <eagernewb> Kay, I have a really dumb question.
[03:38] <MeanEYE> eagernewb: Shoot.
[03:39] <MeanEYE> We like eager newbs :P
[03:39] <axisys> Transhumanist: they let you download using tokens or regular print button on the page
[03:39] <eagernewb> I am installing Ubuntu on a computer, I think there are a few different hard drives in it... I have a few options of where to install it.
[03:39] <eagernewb> One is n 80gig drive, another is 82.3, another is 40gig.
[03:39] <marz> How can I install my Ethernet driver. I'm using Ubuntu 12.10
[03:39] <eagernewb> Does this matter?
[03:39] <axisys> Transhumanist: but I have wait to get few more tokens to download the book.. i want to print it now
[03:40] <Transhumanist> axisys: probably best to ask in a channel on web development or similar.
[03:40] <MeanEYE> eagernewb: Nope. After installation completes, you just decide where to install boot loader. Other than that, Linux can be installed on pretty much anything.
[03:40] <axisys> Transhumanist: gotcah.. any channel you recom?
[03:40] <axisys> gotcha*
[03:40] <eagernewb> So I will have access to all the roughly 200gigs in there?
[03:40] <Transhumanist> I dunno sorry. It's been a while since I did that sort of stuff. But again, since they require tokens, they've probably tried to prevent people just bypassing it by going through their source code.
[03:41] <eagernewb> Another thing: the first option, the 80gig, it says I will overwrite 1 partition, but the other two, it says I'll overwrite 2 partitions.
[03:41] <MeanEYE> eagernewb: Yes, Linux supports Windows file systems. But Linux will need partition to be installed on.
[03:41] <MeanEYE> eagernewb: You can manually configure everything. Even resize existing partitions and loose no data.
[03:41] <eagernewb> Okay.
[03:41] <eagernewb> Thanks!
[03:42] <Transhumanist> Ubuntu can resize existing partitions (split into two) if you have no free partitions. This doesn't cause any damage to the existing data and installs, but a backup is always recommended when modifying partitions
[03:42] <MeanEYE> eagernewb: You are welcome. If you are unsure of something, ask here, and we'll help.
[03:42] <MeanEYE> Better than loosing your data. :D
[03:42] <marz> my laptop that I just installed Ubuntu 12.10 is not recognizing my wired network
[03:42] <marz> how can I manually install the Ethernet port driver?
[03:43] <kvothetech> marz: does it see your card?  you install drivers usually by modprobing the driver
[03:43] <MeanEYE> marz: Are you sure it's not being recognized? Does "lspci" include it?
[03:43] <Transhumanist> there may be a reason it didn't install the Ethernet driver
[03:43] <kvothetech> or kernel mod
[03:43] <Transhumanist> (i.e. it doesn't know of a working one)
[03:43] <Transhumanist> but that'd be rare
[03:43] <marz> MeanEYE: Yeah, lspci includes it in the list
[03:43] <MeanEYE> marz: You don't need the driver. Just to configure it.
[03:43] <marz> kvothetech: I'm quite new to Linux i don't understand modprobing. I'm sorry
[03:44] <kvothetech> marz: modprobe <mod>
[03:44] <marz> MeanEYE: Can you give me a step-by-step solution on how will I configure it
[03:44] <cfhowlett> marz: no apologies required.  We all  started at "noob" level.
[03:44] <kvothetech> marz: ifconfig <addr> netmask <subnet>
[03:44] <MeanEYE> marz: Hm, first explain how you will use this. Is it a laptop ?
[03:45] <kvothetech> marz: route add default gw <gateway> then add your nameservers to /etc/resolv.conf
[03:45] <marz> kvothetech: I tried typing in mod on the terminal. It give me the error "The program 'mod' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install monodoc-base"
[03:45] <marz> <MeanEYE: Yeah, it's a laptop. Lenovo G480
[03:46] <MeanEYE> Unity?
[03:46] <MeanEYE> marz: I mean, default Ubuntu desktop?
[03:46] <marz> yeah
[03:46] <marz> MeanEYE: Yes, I haven't touched or changed anything yet
[03:46] <MeanEYE> marz: So, network manager should do the trick.
[03:46] <marz> How do I do that?
[03:47] <Transhumanist> System Settings -> Networks
[03:47] <Transhumanist> use the GUI, not terminal for this
[03:47] <MeanEYE> I think someone else can take it from here. It's been a while since I used default interface. :D
[03:47] <marz> Transhumanist: I'm there
[03:47] <Dap> i'm trying to get lubuntu12.10-amd64 running off of a usb stick; everything works out-of-the-box when running from cd, but when running off the stick(installed via unetbootin), wireless and my trackpad don't work. any ideas?
[03:48] <marz> MeanEYE, sorry for the trouble.
[03:48] <Transhumanist> Well, I don't know where you were going. It sounds like a driver issue, but you suggest otherwise. Sorry MeanEYE, back to you. :p
[03:48] <MeanEYE> marz: not a trouble at all. I just didn't use default stuff for a while now so it's best if I don't give wrong information.
[03:49] <marz> MeanEYE: What am I supposed to do now?
[03:49] <MeanEYE> Transhumanist: what sounds like a driver issue?
[03:50] <MeanEYE> marz: can you go to paste.ubuntu.com and give me the output of lspci?
[03:50] <Transhumanist> Maybe try this marz: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.10/ubuntu-help/net-manual.html
[03:51] <marz> MeanEYE: I can't get to the Internet using my laptop. I'm currently using my desktop WIndows XP for this current session
[03:51] <MeanEYE> Okay.
[03:51] <marz> MeanEYE: But its ok, i'll just type it all in here
[03:51] <MeanEYE> marz: No need. I just need stuff with network in its name.
[03:52] <Transhumanist> just out of curiosity, I presume ifconfig shows no IP address?
[03:52] <Transhumanist> (for eth0)
[03:52] <MeanEYE> Is ifconfig still installed by default?
[03:52] <Transhumanist> yep
[03:54] <marz> MeanEYE: So what information do you need?
[03:54] <marz> Transhumanist: I can't save it, the save button is greyed out
[03:54] <UmBsublime> ifconfig was always installed by default all on distros of linux i tried
[03:55] <MeanEYE> marz: lspci | grep Ethernet
[03:55] <MeanEYE> UmBsublime: it's been deprecated. And am not following.
[03:55] <UmBsublime> ?
[03:56] <marz> Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc, Ar8162 Fast Ethernet (rev 10)
[03:56] <MeanEYE> marz: Sounds like wireless.
[03:56] <Transhumanist> MeanEYE: deprecated by what?
[03:56] <MeanEYE> Transhumanist: it's not to be used anymore, we should use "ip"
[03:57] <kostkon> MeanEYE, ?
[03:57] <marz> MeanEYE: I can use the port when i boot up in Windows
[03:57] <MeanEYE> marz: Do you still have windows ?
[03:57] <marz> Yup
[03:57] <Transhumanist> so, what, ifconfig no flags = ip link?
[03:58] <marz> I'm using a dual boot
[03:58] <MeanEYE> marz: Can you please boot, go to Device Manager and tell me which network adapters you have installed there.
[03:59] <MeanEYE> Transhumanist: I guess. :D Didn't get into it. It's quite a nice tool.
[03:59] <marz> MeanEYE: ok. hold on a sec
[03:59] <MeanEYE> Well, it's not like we are not suppose to use ifconfig, but they are replacing it with that slowly.
[04:00] <MeanEYE> Just so you don't get surprised one day. :D
[04:00] <Transhumanist> ok
[04:01] <pierre___> I've got a problem : I compiled a program, and it complains about a missing lib wich is present ldd says "libbgdrtm.so => not found" ... I think it has something to do with ld but can't figure out what. Maybe manually re-linking the lib with the binary ?
[04:02] <pierre___> can somebody help me ?
[04:02] <marz> MeanEYE: Atheros AR8162/8166/8168 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller (NDIS 6.20)
[04:02] <MeanEYE> pierre___: Which program.
[04:02] <MeanEYE> marz: Just that one?
[04:02] <pierre___> MeanEYE: bennugd
[04:02] <Gachnar> ##vieux-gars
[04:02] <marz> MeanEYE: There is also Broadcom 802.11n Network Adapter as well as 2 Bluetooth device
[04:03] <pierre___> MeanEYE: it's a game engine, it has many ports but lacks raspberry pi, so I compiled it myself
[04:03] <MeanEYE> marz: Okay. So network card is there. Linux sees it, and just needs configuring.
[04:03] <marz> Yey, so how do I do it?
[04:04] <marz> MeanEYE: How do I do it? hehe
[04:04] <MeanEYE> Are you still in windows?
[04:04]  * cfhowlett Broadcom ... *shudders*
[04:04] <marz> MeanEYE: Yes
[04:04] <Transhumanist> yeah Broadcom is horrible
[04:04] <Transhumanist> good for routers far from the exchange, though
[04:05] <MeanEYE> marz: Do you know how to get IP address, gateway and netmask?
[04:05] <marz> Yeah, ipconfig right?
[04:05] <MeanEYE> Yup.
[04:05] <marz> cmd > ipconfig/all
[04:05] <MeanEYE> Give me that info.
[04:05] <Transhumanist> space between ipconfig and /all
[04:05] <doslove> hi
[04:06] <Transhumanist> Hallo
[04:06] <cfhowlett> doslove: greetings
[04:08] <b14d3> Hi guys, I'm having a repeated problem with Transmission crashing as soon as it loads, but don't have a whole lot information. Anyone have ideas?
[04:08] <marz> MeanEYE: <IP_ADDRESS>                   <IP_ADDRESS>                  <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:08] <Transhumanist> Try Deluge or qBittorrent. I prefer Deluge anyway
[04:08] <MeanEYE> b14d3: try running it from command line.
[04:08] <MeanEYE> marz: okay, go now to linux.
[04:09] <pierre___> MeanEYE: sorry... my mistake some stupid LD_LIBRARY_PATH issue :/
[04:09] <shanbuntu> hi all.  i'd like to start developing for ubuntu mobile... i want to install the os on a cheap phone - any suggestions as to which model of phones i could get ?
[04:09] <MeanEYE> pierre___: no need to be sorry. Did you solve it?
[04:10] <MeanEYE> shanbuntu: no devices yet to my knowledge.
[04:10] <cfhowlett> shanbuntu: still to early to say as no OEM has yet partnered.
[04:10] <b14d3> Well I really have liked some features that I've used in Transmission.
[04:10] <Transhumanist> I believe I heard word that the Galaxy Nexus will be the first phone supported. But I can't be sure.
[04:10] <MeanEYE> b14d3: That's okay. But starting it from terminal window will probably give you more information.
[04:10] <marz> MeanEYE: ok i'm in linux now
[04:10] <shanbuntu> thanks MeanEye and cfhowlett.  so how are developers supposed to test out Ubuntu for mobile?
[04:10] <Transhumanist> Anyway, for now just develop in QML on the desktop, shanbuntu
[04:10] <MeanEYE> marz: Okay, open terminal window.
[04:10] <Transhumanist> that's what I will do soon
[04:10] <cfhowlett> shanbuntu: that said, try practicing your arts with the nexus phone
[04:10] <shanbuntu> (and Transhumanlist, thanks)
[04:10] <b14d3> MeanEYE: Alright, what info should I look for?
[04:11] <marz> done
[04:11] <cfhowlett> shanbuntu: virtualbox?
[04:11] <marz> MeanEYE: done
[04:11] <cfhowlett> shanbuntu: and, of course, watch  the developer threads
[04:11] <MeanEYE> b14d3: Just start terminal and type "transmission-gtk" and see what pops up.
[04:11] <pierre___> MeanEYE: yep :) it segfaults because he can't find any joystick, ugly but normal. I'm trying to run streets of rage remake on the rpi
[04:11] <Transhumanist> shanbuntu: they will announce a lot more info at CES in a few days
[04:11] <cfhowlett> shanbuntu: as well as #ubuntu-phone for this discussion
[04:11] <Transhumanist> so check back after the 11th of Jan
[04:11] <MeanEYE> marz: okay, ifconfig -a and then tell me if there's anything for eth0
[04:12] <Transhumanist> They will no doubt put out an emulator soon for development
[04:12] <eagernewb> Okay!
[04:12] <eagernewb> I have another question.
[04:12] <pierre___> MeanEYE: btw, thanks for paying me attention
[04:12] <cfhowlett> eagernewb: ask it.
[04:12] <MeanEYE> shanbuntu: No idea about that yet. Your guess is as good as mine. If SDK is out, they might have an emulator, but I doubt.
[04:12] <eagernewb> The power went out right after I started my Ubuntu install.
[04:13] <eagernewb> I was installing from USB.
[04:13] <MeanEYE> eagernewb: You have to restart installation.
[04:13] <cfhowlett> eagernewb: assume the install is beyond recover and reinstall.
[04:13] <b14d3> MeanEYE: Well the problem is that it loads fine, so loading it from the command line doesn't really tell me anything.
[04:13] <marz> MeanEYE: nope. there is none. Only lo and wlan0
[04:13] <eagernewb> Now, I have the error message "Verifying DMI pool data..."
[04:13] <MeanEYE> b14d3: when does it crash?
[04:13] <eagernewb> So I can't just not load from USB, I can't boot the hard drive.
[04:13] <b14d3> MeanEYE: Some point immediately after it loads. I can see some torrents that I have tried to start, but I can't do anything else.
[04:13] <MeanEYE> marz: So you have -> wlan0, lo
[04:14] <eagernewb> I am looking up this problem.
[04:14] <marz> MeanEYE: Yup
[04:14] <cfhowlett> eagernewb: the usb boots, right?
[04:14] <eagernewb> No.
[04:14] <MeanEYE> b14d3: did you try resetting config?
[04:14] <marz> MeanEYE: lo is for Link encap: Local Loopback
[04:14] <cfhowlett> eagernewb: wait the USB will NOT boot?
[04:14] <Transhumanist> b14d3: I respect trying to figure out what is wrong, but in the meantime, you've got good alternative torrent clients in Deluge and qBittorrent. Just for the record. =)
[04:14] <b14d3> MeanEYE: Nope, tried to find that and/or something to remove all the torrents I had loaded into it and I couldn't find it via google.
[04:14] <eagernewb> Nothing boots, unfortunately.
[04:14] <MeanEYE> marz: I know, am just confirming what interfaces you have. So it is a driver issue. You need to see which driver you have, find it and install it.
[04:15] <eagernewb> Maybe this is a hardware problem? Power surge or something?
[04:15] <Transhumanist> eagernewb: can you network boot?
[04:15] <shanbuntu> thanks for the VirtualBox tip
[04:15] <marz> MeanEYE: Uhhm, does it mean that I need to download it?
[04:15] <MeanEYE> b14d3: Anything important there? In things you downloaded?
[04:15] <cfhowlett> eagernewb: I'd suspect yes.  Power failure should NOT have scrambled a properly configured US
[04:15] <eagernewb> Not sure what that means? I can't get further than the BIOS/CMOS screen.
[04:15] <Transhumanist> maybe setup a PXE server and boot ploplinux and then try uUSB booting
[04:16] <b14d3> MeanEYE: As far as the torrents go? No, I have copies. Nothing should delete the actual data, should it?
[04:16] <Transhumanist> can you go into bios and see what boot options are available?
[04:16] <eagernewb> I will go look.
[04:16] <cfhowlett> eagernewb: if you can't even set the bios then you've got harwware issues.
[04:16] <MeanEYE> marz: Perhaps. If I remember you said you have broadcom. Check what drivers windows loads and try finding equivalent.
[04:16] <eagernewb> I CAN see the BIOS.
[04:16] <dcope> how does one go about installing https://github.com/BlueDragonX/xf86-input-mtrack
[04:16] <MeanEYE> b14d3: no just transmission settings.
[04:16] <eagernewb> But I can't get pas it.
[04:16] <dcope> after it is alreayd cloned
[04:16] <b14d3> MeanEYE: Oh, no.
[04:16] <Transhumanist> change the boot order in BIOS to prioritise network booting or PXE
[04:16] <MeanEYE> b14d3: so, to remove transmission settings do this "rm -Rf ~/.config/transmission"
[04:16] <MeanEYE> b14d3: see if that helps.
[04:16] <marz> MeanEYE: To be honest, I really don't know where to start. I'm a completely new to Ubuntu/Linux,
[04:17] <eagernewb> Thanks for help! I will go look and try to do these things. AFK.
[04:17] <marz> hahaha
[04:17] <Transhumanist> then on another computer setup tftp and ploplinux
[04:17] <Transhumanist> eagernewb: I found the 'Serva' app on Windows pretty easy to work with
[04:17] <b14d3> MeanEYE: That's where the config file is -_-
[04:17] <MeanEYE> b14d3: All the stuff is there. Downloaded torrent files, settings, stuff like that.
[04:18] <b14d3> MeanEYE: You are completely my hero right now. Did exactly what I needed it to
[04:18] <MeanEYE> marz: Hm, let me try and dig up.
[04:18] <b14d3> MeanEYE: I really appreciate the help
[04:18] <MeanEYE> b14d3: did it work?
[04:18] <b14d3> MeanEYE: Sure did. Worst case scenario I lost a few easily reobtainable .torrent files, but I don't think I did
[04:19] <Enlight_uni> hi, on ubuntu, samba servers are not advertised through dns-sd even if smb is linked to avahi, does anybody knows why?
[04:19] <marz> MeanEYE: I installed Ubuntu to be my starting point in studying Linux. I really thought all of my laptop's drivers will automatically be installed along with the software.
[04:19] <MeanEYE> b14d3: I think you did, they are stored in ~/.config/transmission/torrents
[04:19] <eagernewb> Transhumanist: what would the networking option look like? Would it be LAN? I will look into Serva.
[04:19] <MeanEYE> marz: Yup. Unless you have broadcom. Sux to have hardware from a company that doesn't like open source.
[04:19] <RollinV2> marz, oh boy.. welcome to linux. get used to using the terminal and googling for solutions
[04:19] <Transhumanist> marz: they always are for me
[04:20] <MeanEYE> marz: Good news is, they do offer Linux drivers on their site. But you have to figure out which chip you have.
[04:20] <b14d3> MeanEYE: I had actually saved copies in a different location, so I probably lost the Transmission copies of it, which is completely not a big deal
[04:20] <dcope> why is it not possible to run ./configure in the xf86-input-mtrack source?
[04:20] <Transhumanist> but marz, hardware drivers are almost always closed-source. which means Linux people have to spend a long time reverse engineering them
[04:20] <Transhumanist> some hardware is worse than others
[04:20] <Transhumanist> Broadcom from memory has a poor reputation of working with Linux
[04:20] <RollinV2> marz, i'd say 90% of my hardware works on base install. but that remaining 10% is annoying to troubleshoot
[04:20] <MeanEYE> b14d3: When I say torrent files, I meant .torrent :D not the downloaded data itself. Sorry for not being clear.
[04:21] <Transhumanist> On almost all of my computers, everything has "just worked" out of the box, due to great OSS drivers, or working proprietary ones. But sometimes this isn't the case.
[04:21] <b14d3> MeanEYE: I understood exactly what you meant. I kept copies of the .torrent in a different location :)
[04:21] <MeanEYE> b14d3: okay then. No harm done. If this happens again, I suggest contacting transmission developers. They'll need a bug report on this.
[04:22] <Transhumanist> It's a sad situation because it's not Ubuntu or Linux's fault that your ethernet card doesn't work. It's Broadcoms fault for not bothering to support anything but Windows. But that doesn't help you get your ethernet working, so it matters little to you right now. Sorry. =/
 Transhumanist: what would the networking option look like? Would it be LAN? I will look into Serva.
[04:22] <Transhumanist> yes
[04:22] <Enlight_uni> b14d3, trnsmission can be configured to either keep or delete .torrent files
[04:22] <Transhumanist> and let me grab a link for you to help out, because network booting is daunting at first
[04:23] <MeanEYE> marz: So, first you need to go to web site of you laptops manufacturer. Check which chip you have for your model exactly. Then we can help.
[04:24] <marz> MeanEYE: ok, just give me a moment.
[04:24] <marz> Transhumanist: Yeah, I know its not that easy. I'm basically a freeloader to those Linux guys. Hahahaha
[04:24] <marz> RollinV2: Good for you! Hehehe
[04:25] <NemNemo> Is there any easy way to download a verified good Ubuntu ISO off Usenet with an NZB?
[04:25] <MeanEYE> NemNemo: Torrents work.
[04:26] <NemNemo> ...
[04:26] <MeanEYE> I know it's not exactly the same.
[04:26] <marz> MeanEye: You mean lenovo?
[04:26] <Transhumanist> eagernewb: http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/500
[04:26] <MeanEYE> marz: Yes. Turn your laptop over, get the full product number and get the specs based on that.
[04:26] <RollinV2> NemNemo, why? you have torrents and the direct links...
[04:26] <NemNemo> I download at 2 MB/s from Usenet
[04:26] <cfhowlett> NemNemo: torrents or direct links.
[04:26] <Transhumanist> it's a bit hard to follow at times because he re-wrote it after losing his first version
[04:26] <Transhumanist> but ask me if you get stuck
[04:26] <UmBsublime> i get same form torrents
[04:26] <MeanEYE> NemNemo: Alternatively, you can md5 and download something and then just verify.
[04:27] <NemNemo> I do not.  And I don't have a torrent client installed either, because I don't use them
[04:27] <RollinV2> NemNemo, then you should be able to dl the direct link in less than 1 hour
[04:27] <marz> MeanEYE: YOu mean the serial number?
[04:27] <Transhumanist> eagernewb: where he gives links to ploplinux, I ignored those and went straight to the ploplinux site and downloaded the latst versions
[04:28] <NemNemo> Yes, I have 15 minutes left. But going forward, I'd rather download it in a way that doesn't use any of Canonical's bandwidth, and is fast for me.
[04:28] <eagernewb> Transhumanist: okay, cool! Thanks!
[04:28] <Transhumanist> You'll get stuck. So message me when you do.
[04:28] <NemNemo> I suspect the answer to my question is no
[04:28] <MeanEYE> marz: No, theres P/N (product number) and S/N. Product number is what you need.
[04:28] <skooks> Hey guys, quick question.
[04:28] <MeanEYE> NemNemo: Wait.
[04:29] <marz> MeanEYE: Oh ok. Sorry about that
[04:29] <skooks> All I have are blank CDs but the latest Ubuntu distributions require a DVD.
[04:29] <Transhumanist> NemNemo: torrents are the best solution. using them is very simple. Install Deluge and then click on the torrent link on Ubuntu's website
[04:29] <cfhowlett> skooks: or a USB
[04:29] <skooks> I can't use USB.
[04:29] <skooks> Laptop is too old for that.
[04:29] <MeanEYE> marz: Sorry, it's ont he bottom of the laptop. There's a sticker.
[04:29] <NemNemo> If your laptop doesn't have USB, you shouldn't be using the latest version...
[04:29] <Transhumanist> that's not necessarily true
[04:29] <skooks> I mean it's too old for USB instalation.
[04:29] <skooks> Like, it'll only boot off CD/DVD.
[04:30] <cfhowlett> skooks: old laptop?  try lubuntu or xubuntu
[04:30] <skooks> It's not that old.
[04:30] <MeanEYE> NemNemo: Which Ubuntu you want to download?
[04:30] <skooks> It's like 2 years old, but it doesn't boot from USB for some reason.
[04:30] <NemNemo> Are you sure?   Anyway, 12.04 LTE is a CD
[04:30] <Transhumanist> network booting would work, but I think the Ubuntu store has a CD installer
[04:30] <Transhumanist> lemme check
[04:30] <NemNemo> Install from CD, then Apt-get upgrade
[04:30] <NemNemo> Is that correct?
[04:30] <MeanEYE> NemNemo: so 12.04>?
[04:30] <Transhumanist> damn, the store only has a CD of Ubuntu Server
[04:31] <marz> MeanEYE: And where will I type my product number in?
[04:31] <Transhumanist> Nem: lots of computers don't USB boot
[04:31] <Transhumanist> Mac Mini, Toshiba Portege M200, for instance
[04:31] <MeanEYE> marz: Bottom of the laptop, there's a sticker that says P/N
[04:31] <Transhumanist> mostly older ones or Macs, but yeah
[04:31] <marz> MeanEYE: Yeah, I got it
[04:31] <skooks> So I can install an Ubuntu version that is like 9.x or what ever and then just apt-get upgrade and it'll go to 12.10?
[04:31] <NemNemo> I was disregarding Macs
[04:31] <Transhumanist> I don't recommend it
[04:31] <marz> MeanEYE: I went to lenovo.com and entered in on the search textbox
[04:31] <Transhumanist> Upgrading is flaky
[04:31] <NemNemo> I actually have a Mac that doesn't boot from USB
[04:31] <marz> MeanEYE: "no results found"
[04:32] <skooks> Well I don't want a network installer.
[04:32] <Transhumanist> skooks: you should burn the alternate installer to a CD
[04:32] <Transhumanist> it should fit
[04:32] <skooks> Seeing as I want a live CD.
[04:32] <MeanEYE> marz: okay, can you give me the full model name?
[04:32] <skooks> Which alternate installer? I tried finding it.
[04:32] <Transhumanist> oh, you want live?
[04:32] <NemNemo> I am downloading 10.04 LTE amd64 CD right now, and I assume the 32 bit one is a CD, too.
[04:32] <MeanEYE> NemNemo: Downloading from usenet?
[04:32] <skooks> There aren't 64bit CD versions?
[04:32] <Transhumanist> The alternate installer is not a live CD. But it will correctly install Ubuntu Desktop 12.10
[04:32] <marz> MeanEYE: Lenovo G480 Intel Core-i5
[04:32] <Transhumanist> Do you need to install Ubuntu or do you need a live environment?
[04:32] <skooks> Transhumanist, could you give a link to the alternate 12.10 CD?
[04:32] <Transhumanist> sure
[04:33] <skooks> Well I prefer a live environment.
[04:33] <skooks> But if worst comes to shove.
[04:33] <Transhumanist> Ubuntu alternate is a text-based GUI. It's actually still fairly user-friendly
[04:33] <skooks> I don't mind.
[04:33] <skooks> Enter enter enter, put some info in, enter enter install.
[04:33] <Transhumanist> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/alternative-downloads
[04:34] <Transhumanist> the alternate so torrents are below the network boot links, but the size isn't listed
[04:34] <Transhumanist> I have them, so let me check
[04:34] <MeanEYE> marz: That's it? Aren't there more details.
[04:34] <NemNemo> Is there a decent PPC Ubuntu now?  I know last time I checked, there was a bit of transition oing on
[04:34] <skooks> Oh, the alternates are the torrents?
[04:34] <skooks> I thought those were just different means of downloading.
[04:34] <Transhumanist> skooks: http://askubuntu.com/questions/137588/ubuntu-12-04-image-size-732mb-will-it-fit-a-standard-cd
[04:35] <Transhumanist> skooks: there are torrents for ALL the Ubuntu ISO's
[04:35] <Transhumanist> they're good because they're faster than direct downloads and don't use Canonical bandwidth
[04:35] <UmBsublime> ^
[04:36] <MeanEYE> marz: Ouch. It's more complicated than I thought.
[04:36] <skooks> The alternate links are the same as the regulare ones.
[04:36] <skooks> I don't see a 12.10 that'll fit on a 700.
[04:36] <Transhumanist> Also, skooks: some background information (might be worth going with 12.04 if you need a burnable CD): http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/09/its-official-the-ubuntu-livecd-is-dead
[04:36] <skooks> 700 mb cd.
[04:36] <Dayofswords> does anyone know how to manually add screen resolutions to Ubuntu?
[04:36] <Transhumanist> no, I don't think 12.10 will fit
[04:36] <Transhumanist> 12.04 will though
[04:36] <skooks> Let's see then.
[04:36] <marz> MeanEYE: I can give you a printscreen of my device manager in Windows if you'd like
[04:36] <Transhumanist> 12.04 will be supported until 2017
[04:37] <skooks> Is upgrading from 12.04 to 12.10 easy?
[04:37] <Transhumanist> it should be, since it's just one upgrade
[04:37] <Transhumanist> they're only 6 months apart
[04:37] <rweait1> skooks:yup.  I did it by accident. :-)
[04:37] <skooks> Is it just a dist-upgrade?
[04:37] <cfhowlett> skooks: yes, but why?  Unless you REALLY need the latest and greatest, I'd advise you stick with the LTS version
[04:37] <MeanEYE> marz: Naah, won't do me any good.
[04:37] <MeanEYE> marz: Did you check this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2050126&highlight=g480+network
[04:38] <Transhumanist> this might be an option too skooks: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[04:38] <skooks> Does 12.04 have livecd?
[04:38] <Transhumanist> yes
[04:38] <BlackDalek> Help!! I plugged a HDMI screen into the HDMI socket on my laptop and sound output device changed to built-in/HDMI... but now, when I unplug the HDMI cable, my sound output device is gone and I get no sound!
[04:38] <skooks> Goody, I can try it out then.
[04:38] <BlackDalek> rebooting does not let it return
[04:39] <Transhumanist> BlackDalek: does a restart fix the issue?
[04:39] <skooks> It does work.
[04:39] <skooks> Excellent.
[04:39] <tekkbuzz> Hi all, does anyone know what the /dev/name is for the 1st Serial port?
[04:39] <Transhumanist> sweet
[04:39] <skooks> 12.04 didn't work before for some reason. I think it's because that CD had something on it.
[04:39] <Transhumanist> oh well, at least it works now :)
[04:40] <marz> Yeah I Already did that
[04:40] <BlackDalek> Transfusion, no.. restarting does not bring back the sound device
[04:40] <marz> It's the first search result when I googled the problem
[04:40] <marz> hehehe
[04:40] <skooks> But yeah, how are distribution upgrades done on Ubuntu? Like, if you wanted to move from 12.04 to 12.10?
[04:40] <skooks> Just wondering for the future.
[04:40] <Transhumanist> I think there's a GUI option
[04:41] <skooks> Ahh.
[04:41] <Transhumanist> but I think the command is something like sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:41] <MeanEYE> marz: darn it. I think it's one of these: http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/downloaddrivers.php
[04:41] <marz> MeanEYE: Yeah, I already did that. That is the first search result when I googled the problem.
[04:41] <MeanEYE> marz: But am not sure.
[04:41] <skooks> Yeah, that's what I thought.
[04:41] <cfhowlett> skooks: when a new distro is available, software update will alert you
[04:41] <skooks> I'm used to console, so this shouldn't be much of a problem either way.
[04:41] <BlackDalek> Transhumanist, , no.. restarting does not bring back the sound device
[04:41] <marz> MeanEYE: Why don't we give it a try
[04:42] <MeanEYE> marz: I don't even know where to try.
[04:42] <BlackDalek> Transhumanist, plugging a device into my hdmi socket has killed ubunut's sound completely
[04:42] <BlackDalek> ubuntu*
[04:42] <Bosma> I'm using Ubuntu 12.10 and I'm trying to set a hotkey 'alt-a', but the 'alt' key highlights the menu bar and so when I press 'a' it goes back to 'All Settings' and doesn't set the hotkey. How can I get around this?
[04:42] <Transhumanist> Plug the HDMI back in
[04:42] <Bosma> Thanks.
[04:42] <Transhumanist> does sound work again?
[04:42] <marz> MeanEYE: Let me boot up in Windows and verify the chipset
[04:42] <MeanEYE> marz: If you want my suggestion I would go to askubuntu.com and ask there. They will probably come up with solution. If nothing else comes up then you can try random picking drivers.
[04:42] <BlackDalek> Transhumanist, yes. then it dies again if I unplug it
[04:42] <Transhumanist> ok, cool
[04:43] <Transhumanist> now try these:
[04:43] <Transhumanist> http://askubuntu.com/a/176352
[04:43] <skooks> You guys are very helpful as an irc channel. You don't just say, "Ask the almighty bot."
[04:43] <tekkbuzz> I'll try again, I know someone knows this, does anyone know what the /dev/name is for the 1st Serial port?
[04:44] <marz> MeanEYE: Oh ok. Thanks for your time though. I really appreciate it. SOrry for the trouble.
[04:44] <MeanEYE> marz: It's not a trouble. But it's kind of hard to guess when you don't know the chipset.
[04:44] <Transhumanist> tekkbuzz: ttyS0 maybe?
[04:45] <Transhumanist> so /dev/ttyS0
[04:45] <Transhumanist> skooks: good! :D
[04:45] <RollinV2> anyone have a good ubuntu 12.04 after install script for automating some common tasks? ill customize it but need a good starting base
[04:45] <MeanEYE> skooks: Did anyone answer your question about upgrading?
[04:45] <skooks> I've had people refer me to bots that refer me to wikis I read and read again.
[04:45] <tekkbuzz> Transhumanist, okay, why are there so many of them because I only have one?
[04:45] <skooks> Yeah, it's just dist-upgrade in console.
[04:46] <MeanEYE> skooks: Isn't it do-release-upgrade? :D
[04:46] <tekkbuzz> I thought they are dynamicly created?
[04:46] <skooks> I dunno. I'll figure it out if I really need to.
[04:47] <MeanEYE> skooks: :) I don't have dist-upgrade, :D so it's probably do-release-upgrade but that's command line way to upgrade.
[04:47] <Fonsie> meanEYE: still having problems :/
[04:47] <skooks> It's dist-upgrade on Debian at least. But yeah, I'll deal with it if I need to (which I won't probably).
[04:47] <Transhumanist> tekkbuzz: I do not know much about serial ports, sorry. My comp doesn't have one. But when I do Arduino programming, the IDE creates one to use over USb with my Arduino Uno
[04:47] <skooks> I just need a solid work environment.
[04:47] <MeanEYE> skooks: If you want GUI just run update-manager and it will ask to upgrade. If you have LTS installed, it will ask only when next LTS comes out, which you need to configure in software sources.
[04:48] <MeanEYE> Fonsie: Hm, with what?
[04:48] <marz> MeanEYE: would this help? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071104075047AAkOoRZ
[04:48] <MeanEYE> marz: not really.
[04:49] <BlackDalek> Transhumanist, that did not work. Module-assistant failed.
[04:49] <marz> MeanEye: But my wireless is working right. If I manage to connect to a Wi-Fi network, will all this be a lot easier?
[04:49] <MeanEYE> marz: Wifi is working, yes. And I don't know how easier that would be.
[04:49] <Transhumanist> BlackDalek: if nobody here can help, then you'll have to make a thread asking for help on the ubuntuforums website
[04:49] <Fonsie> i tried sudo service lightdm start and it scrolled through some text till it got to "Starting cpu interrupts balancing daemon"
[04:50] <marz> MeanEYE: Ok, I'll just try to go to a Wi-Fi hotspot then. THanks again.
[04:50] <Fonsie> then it just stopped and didnt do anything else
[04:50] <MeanEYE> marz: Okay, sorry I didn't help.
[04:50] <tekkbuzz> Transhumanist, I got one of those Arduino's too but I haven't tinkered with it yet, I didn't think I had a serial port either, till I looked at the board and on an empty pin header, then I just had to hook up a cable and serial jack.
[04:50] <Fonsie> and it said ok along the right side of the screen
[04:51] <MeanEYE> Fonsie: Does "ps -A | grep X" return anything?
[04:51] <tekkbuzz> on=found
[04:51] <Fonsie> then i tried it a couple more times and it went till it stopped at "Stopped save kernel messages"
[04:51] <Fonsie> havent tried it
[04:52] <marz> MeanEYE: No no, you did great. :D
[04:52] <MeanEYE> Good time to try now.
[04:52] <Transhumanist> tekkbuzz: yeah I programme it via USB, but the Arduino IDE emulates a serial port over USB
[04:53] <MeanEYE> tekkbuzz: Unless you have  Arduino Ethernet, those need adapters.
[04:53] <Fonsie> and when i tried cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log it returned with an error and told me to check the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file
[04:53] <Fonsie> and when i type that in i get the permission denied
[04:53] <tekkbuzz> Transhumanist, right now I'm just trying to get an old Brother Label printer working with Ubuntu.
[04:54] <MeanEYE> Okay, I need to go to sleep. 6am. :/
[04:54] <MeanEYE> Have fun folks!
[04:54] <tekkbuzz> MeanEYE, see ya, thanks
[05:06] <domo> hey im running a fresh install of unbuntu 12.10 (I've tried reinstalling the system twice) and it seems every day this happens: rsyslogd: [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion="5.8.6" x-pid="2423" x-info="http://www.rsyslog.com"] rsyslogd was HUPed
[05:06] <domo> and my system logging dies
[05:06] <domo> I have no idea why this is happening
[05:09] <Fonsie> i am having a ton of trouble with lubuntu and need help
[05:10] <mariorgrossi> www.artigos.uni.me
[05:11] <Fonsie> does anybody here know anything about the lubuntu command prompt
[05:12] <RollinV2> Fonsie, what about it?
[05:12] <Fonsie> i installed lubuntu and i am stuck in the command prompt
[05:13] <RollinV2> did the install complete?  did you ever get to the gui?
[05:13] <Fonsie> gui?
[05:13] <RollinV2> graphical user interface
[05:14] <RollinV2> you know windows and stuff
[05:14] <Fonsie> i did the install and it said install complete and needs to restart and as soon as it restarted it was in the command prompt
[05:14] <Fonsie> when i did the install yes, but when it restart no
[05:14] <cfhowlett> Fonsie: did you see the login window?
[05:14] <a111> Have you looked at installing a good distro? I recommend Gentoo.
[05:15] <cfhowlett> !ot|a111
[05:15] <Fonsie> no, it asked for login id and password in text
[05:15] <Fonsie> in command prompt
[05:15] <Fonsie> what is distro?
[05:15] <Fonsie> i know nothing about command prompts or linux at all
[05:15] <Fonsie> im a simple windows person
[05:16] <atlef> why lubuntu
[05:16] <cfhowlett> I'd suspect your installation was scrambled.
[05:16] <Fonsie> ive tried reinstalling like 3 times and does the same thing each time
[05:16] <Gnomex> hi Guys..
[05:16] <Fonsie> and i tried lubuntu because somebody suggested it because i have a low spec netbook
[05:16] <cfhowlett> Fonsie: good detail to know.  Couple of questions for you ...
[05:17] <Fonsie> i tried ubuntu and it did not work
[05:17] <cfhowlett> Fonsie: did you verify your download integrity with the md5sum?
[05:17] <Gnomex> I need Some help.. why when i'm tried to Update my Ubuntu 12.04  he said.. Internet Conection error.. dunno why..
[05:17] <Fonsie> im not sure what that is or how to do it?
[05:17] <cfhowlett> !md5sum|Fonsie
[05:18] <cfhowlett> Fonsie: why?  because bad downloads happen to good people.
[05:18] <Gnomex> anybody can solve my problem..??
[05:18] <Fonsie> why  what?
[05:19] <cfhowlett> Fonsie: verify your ISO.  see the link I sent you.
[05:19] <arvut> what was the command for ignoring parts/joins again? it's been awhile since I wanted to do that. imma write it down this time..
[05:19] <RollinV2> Fonsie, a corrupt iso image will likely error on boot.
[05:20] <arvut> in irssi I meant
[05:21] <Fonsie> cfhowlett: sounds kind of bad but im not sure how to do the instructions in the link
[05:22] <cfhowlett> Fonsie: are you working on an ubuntu computer now?
[05:23] <Fonsie> no, its duel boot windows 7 and lubuntu
[05:23] <cfhowlett> Fonsie: so you're presently on the windows side, right?
[05:23] <Fonsie> yes
[05:24] <cfhowlett> Fonsie: so I imagine your saved the downloaded ISO in windows?
[05:25] <Fonsie> external usb hdd
[05:26] <cfhowlett> Fonsie: OK then.  Per the link, you need to first install winmd5sum
[05:26] <cfhowlett> from http://www.nullriver.com/downloads/Install-winMd5Sum.exe
[05:27] <Fonsie> ok
[05:28] <whoever> hi all, is there a way to espacpe white spaces in /etc/hosts so tha a host name(well ssid) can contain spaces in the name
[05:28] <Fonsie> install iscomplete
[05:28] <cfhowlett> Fonsie: for reference:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#MD5SUM_on_Windows
[05:34] <Em_> Hi, can anyone please help me.
[05:34] <atlef> !ask
[05:34] <Em_> My laptop running under Ubuntu 12.10 is not detecting my Wi-Fi network.
[05:35] <Em_> When I boot up in Windows it does, but in Ubuntu, it doesn't.
[05:39] <Em_> My Ubuntu 12.10 is not detecting my wireless connection
[05:39] <whoever> Em_: either driver issue or check under settings> network
[05:40] <Em_> @whoever, I'm trying to manually connect to it but the encryption of my wireless is TKIP/AES
[05:40] <whoever> Em_: tail dmsg to see if you see your wifi card
[05:41] <Em_> whoever: I'm quite new to Ubuntu, I don't follow sorry
[05:42] <whoever> Em_: well then remove your encryption for a few minuts, and try to connect , if so we know its not a driver issue
[05:43] <Fonsie> cfhowlett: i used winmd5sum and  its either not working or im doing something wrong
[05:43] <cfhowlett> Fonsie: details?
[05:45] <Fonsie> i went into the program from the browse window thing i selected my iso and then hit calculate
[05:45] <cfhowlett> Fonsie: how long did you wait?
[05:45] <cfhowlett> it takes time and will seem to be unresponsive
[05:45] <Fonsie> it gave me a md5 sum but the bottom one is blank
[05:46] <Fonsie> a few minutes
[05:46] <Fonsie> the compare slot is blank
[05:46] <cfhowlett> Fonsie: so NO md5sum returned?  I'd say that's suspicious.
[05:47] <dr_willis> dont y
[05:47] <cfhowlett> Fonsie: how did you get your lubuntu?  Direct download, torrent?
[05:47] <Fonsie> 7ad57cadae955bd04019389d4b9c1dcb is in md5 sum but the compare slot under it is blank
[05:47] <Fonsie> torrent but from the lubuntu sight
[05:47] <Fonsie> site*
[05:47] <dr_willis> so it calculated the sym..
[05:48] <cfhowlett> dr_willis: can you explain further?
[05:48] <dr_willis> what did you do with the whatever.md5 file you downloaded?
[05:49] <dr_willis> it needs to know what to compare with
[05:49] <Fonsie> what do i compare it to and how do i do that
[05:49] <Chad__> Fonsie: The compare slot is where you enter the md5 from the lubuntu website
[05:49] <Fonsie> only has one browse slot
[05:50] <Fonsie> ok
[05:50] <Fonsie> can you link it?
[05:50] <dr_willis> look at the sum in the .md5 file on the server
[05:50] <dr_willis> and  mdownload/browse to it..
[05:50] <dr_willis> makes sence?
[05:50] <dr_willis> it calculates the sum of the iso. and compares it to the ones in the .md5 file
[05:51] <Fonsie> im confused on what i need to do exactly
[05:51] <Fonsie> i have no idea what an .md5 file is
[05:51] <dr_willis> you download the .md5 file  AND the iso
[05:51] <Fonsie> or where to find/get it
[05:51] <dr_willis> its got the sum you compare TO
[05:51] <dr_willis> its on the download server somewhere
[05:52] <dr_willis> !md5
[05:52] <arch> vishnu
[05:52] <arch> vishnu
[05:53] <arch> does anyone need help?
[05:55] <IBM_CLONE> Fonsie. The MD5 file is like a security file that compares the .iso file you downloaded with a reference file to verify the integrity of the downloaded file. Usually they come in pairs. Downloaded ISO accompanied with a file that makes sure the wanted download is not corrupted.
[05:55] <HeLLy> Not sure if anyone can help me out I am trying to connect mobile broadband and it seems that Ubuntu does not have the country Bolivia on there list which is very odd cause they have every other South American country
[05:56] <HeLLy> And I can not find manual info at all.
[05:56] <Gavilan2> HeLLy: O_o it's because they only support countries which have access to a sea....
[05:57] <cfhowlett> Gavilan2: disinformation like that doesn't help
[05:59] <HeLLy> :-/ well its very odd when I can go to chile and they have the company Entel on there list and how can they not support bolivia when its pretty much the same card I just need the info, I guess I will have to do without internet for NFL playoffs sunday until I get back to the DC on wednesday
[06:00] <Gavilan2> HeLLy: :(
[06:02] <HeLLy> I mean when I plug the card in it displays the connection is there tells me I have a solid signal but its just faded out, I assume that I need the right info for it to connect.  I have never messed with mobile broadband before
[06:02] <bjrohan> I thought I got it to stop, but I did not :-( Can someone help me stop the fork bomb I ran?
[06:03] <bjrohan> I thought I had limited the number of processes, but I did not
[06:03] <bjrohan> I restarted the computer, but it still runs :-(
[06:05] <dr_willis> what   did you do exactly
[06:06] <Flynsarmy> when i do a sudo hdparm -S 240 /dev/sdb I get: HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(setidle) failed: Operation not permitted. ideas?
[06:07] <bjrohan> I copied at line something like :() { :|: } etc
[06:07] <bjrohan> BUT before then I thought I had limited my numbe of processes to protect myself, but alas I did not
[06:07] <dr_willis> bjrohan:  that wouldent survive a reboot
[06:08] <bjrohan> dr_willis:
[06:08] <bjrohan> bjrohan@bjrohan-HPLaptop:~$ ps aux
[06:08] <bjrohan> bash: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable
[06:08] <bjrohan> bash: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable
[06:08] <FloodBot1> bjrohan: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:08] <bjrohan> my bad
[06:08] <bjrohan> tired only pasting 2 lines
[06:08] <bjrohan> tries
[06:08] <bjrohan> sheesh
[06:09] <dr_willis> i imagine its more to do with how you limited things, then that command
[06:09] <bjrohan> aahh
[06:10] <Fonsie> so i just used winmd5sum to check my check sum and it is the same
[06:11] <bjrohan> as always dr_willis that looks like the culprit, I set my personal limit too low
[06:11] <Zwei> Hello, I cannot get jobs in /etc/cron.d to run.
[06:12] <Zwei> One second, let me get a codepad up
[06:12] <arch> does anyone need help?
[06:12] <cfhowlett> Fonsie: that means you've got a good iso.
[06:12] <Fonsie> so any idea then why it is that install and when i reboot after install it goes into that command prompt
[06:13] <eagernewb> Very dumb question here. It's also possible that my computer is freezing.
[06:13] <eagernewb> How do I leave Unity environment's app menu?
[06:13] <Zwei> In /etc/cron.d I have a file with this: http://codepad.org/WRdNK0mq
[06:13] <eagernewb> I seem to be stuck in it.
[06:13] <Zwei> I've tried restarting the cron service, still it doesn't work.
[06:14] <eagernewb> I have tried obvious solutions.
[06:14] <dr_willis> eagernewb:  try the esc key
[06:14] <cfhowlett> Fonsie: no idea.  this is 12.10, right?
[06:14] <Fonsie> yes
[06:14] <eagernewb> Okay, that's a good idea.
[06:14] <HeLLy> Well I got the right APN for my internet connection now but now it just cycles trying to fully connect
[06:14] <Fonsie> lubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386 is the name is the name of the iso file i have
[06:15] <Zwei> However, the exact same thing when put in crontab works. i.e. via crontab -e , I am running Ubuntu 12.10
[06:15] <cfhowlett> Fonsie: no idea why, but it might be a graphics issue. try the nomodeset option
[06:15] <Fonsie> and i check it in winmd5sum against https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[06:15] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset|fonsie
[06:15] <cfhowlett> Fonsie: failing that, I'd urge to you drop back to 12.04 in xubuntu or lubuntu.  both of which can be liveCD tested before you install.
[06:16] <arch> any1 need help?
[06:17] <Zwei> arch: me? :)
[06:17] <arch> ok
[06:17] <HeLLy> Bolivia
[06:17] <HeLLy> - Sevice Provider: TIGO
[06:17] <HeLLy> - APN: internet.tigo.bo
[06:17] <HeLLy> - Proxy: <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:17] <HeLLy> - Port: 9201
[06:17] <arch> what do you need help with?
[06:17] <FloodBot1> HeLLy: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:17] <HeLLy> II am not sure where to add Proxy and Port I assume that might be why i cant fully connect
[06:17] <Flynsarmy> arch: when i do a sudo hdparm -S 240 /dev/sdb i get:  HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(setidle) failed: Operation not permitted. any ideas why?
[06:18] <arch> no
[06:18] <Zwei> I'm running Ubuntu 12.10, jobs in /etc/cron.d doesn't run. the same job when put in crontab via "crontab -e" works. I have this: http://codepad.org/WRdNK0mq
[06:18] <dr_willis> i dident think hsparm was used with sata disks
[06:18] <Flynsarmy> dr_willis: oh it may not be. i dont really know what i'md oign
[06:18] <Zwei> arch: I've tried restarting my cron service and all. Nothing works.
[06:18] <Flynsarmy> dr_willis: attemptign to spin my raid array down when it's idle
[06:18] <dr_willis> then why are you doing it?
[06:19] <dr_willis> mine do that by default
[06:19] <Flynsarmy> dr_willis: i dont use green drives so they dont auto spool down
[06:19] <dr_willis> min e areee not green.
[06:19] <MonkWitDaFunk> !hardware
[06:20] <Flynsarmy> dr_willis: the man page http://linux.die.net/man/8/hdparm says they're for sata/ide. that's why i thought it was used for the -S value
[06:20] <dr_willis> i think the use of hdparm is a bit outdated
[06:20] <arch> does anyone need help
[06:20] <Flynsarmy> dr_willis: what's the way it's currently done? as i said i don't really know what i'm doing :)
[06:20] <Zwei> arch: I just started my problem with cron.
[06:21] <IdleOne> arch: When someone needs help they will ask a question, if you are able to answer the question feel free. Please stop asking if anyone needs help.
[06:21] <dr_willis> i thought it did it all by defULT. not seen hdparm suggested or mentioned  in agees
[06:22] <arch> does anyone need help
[06:22] <Flynsarmy> dr_willis: mythtv seems ot indicate it's what you should do http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Power_saving#Hard_Drive_Spin_Down
[06:22] <dr_willis> how old is that wiki page?
[06:23] <tekkbuzz> Flynsarmy: try gnome-disks
[06:23] <Flynsarmy> dr_willis: last modified in april
[06:23] <shanbuntu> is freenode's webchat based on web sockets?
[06:23] <kslater> mythtv can lag behind the latest on any particular distro because it takes a lot of work to get all the packages at the right versions for everything to work.
[06:23] <tekkbuzz> Flynsarmy: you can set the params you want using gnome-disks.
[06:24] <Flynsarmy> tekkbuzz: apt-cache search gnome-disks turned up nothing. it's a server machine with no gui so i hope that's a terminal app
[06:25] <tekkbuzz> Flynsarmy: nope it's a gui.
[06:25] <HeLLy> Where do I add proxy and port on mobile broadband
[06:25] <Flynsarmy> dr_willis: aha. someone on this page http://askubuntu.com/questions/137577/put-hdds-in-standby-after-x-minutes-using-hdparm-doesnt-work says hdparm doesn't always play nicely with sata and offers a way of spinning down using crontab. not ideal but the best i've got so far
[06:27] <eagernewb> Another question: I was in the middle of installing 230 updates when my computer messed up; I froze in the Unity environment's app menu and wasn't able to get out. After that, the Unity environment seemed to crash, destroying the menu on the left of the screen and the toolbar on the top. I just had a few windows open, but not the updates window. How can I find out if the updates are still being installed?
[06:27] <eagernewb> Would it damage the computer if I reboot while the updates are still happening?
[06:27] <eagernewb> Is there a task manager I can look at?
[06:28] <cfhowlett> eagernewb: damage?  no, but you'll need to complete the upgrade process
[06:28] <dr_willis> eagernewb:  go to the console and check ps and top for apt  running
[06:28] <eagernewb> How do I go to console?
[06:28] <kslater> ctrl-alt-f1
[06:28] <vinayan> I lost power while editing a text document in QtCreator..now when i open it the contents are blank..any way to recover it?
[06:28] <dr_willis> the shell.. the ultimate task  manager
[06:28] <tekkbuzz> if anyone is interested dpkg-query -S gnome-disks, turns up the package name of: gnome-disk-utility
[06:29] <eagernewb> ctrl-alt-f1, okay! Thanks a lot.
[06:29] <TXRoadkill_> Anyone know if there is a utility to control Rhythmbox from the menu/status bar at the top of 12.10?
[06:30] <kslater> eagernewb: alt-f7 to get back to the gui desktop
[06:31] <nashant> Hi guys. I've suddenly got a weird issue. I'm getting permission denied when I try and cd into a folder. permissions 666, user:group is ant:www-data, logged in as user ant
[06:31] <nashant> it wasn't like this last night
[06:33] <nashant> Morning dr_willis. You're always a fountain of knowledge. Any idea?
[06:33] <dr_willis> 666?
[06:34] <dr_willis> a directory has to be executable to 'enter' it
[06:34] <nashant> ...
[06:34] <nashant> oh
[06:34] <nashant> oops
[06:35] <nashant> Well don't I feel silly
[06:39] <TXRoadkill_> Ah, it's integrated into the Sound control panel, OK.  Just answered my own question :)
[06:39] <TXRoadkill_> It's hardly Mac, but they're sure making progress
[06:40] <dr_willis> Mac?   MacDinolds?
[06:41] <TXRoadkill_> hehe
[06:41] <TXRoadkill_> Been using Mac since '86, but I like where Ubuntu is going
[06:41] <TXRoadkill_> Just trying it out for now
[06:42] <Vyom_> Hi everyone. Recently migrating to ubuntu, its quite a struggle really to get used to it after using Bindows for years. But as I am progressing I am learning new things everyday. Just today I learnt that transmission can't be used to continue to download a torrent, some part of it which was already downloaded in Bindows? Is that really true? Do I have to use wine to use uTorrent, and hope it can continue torrent? :S
[06:42] <TXRoadkill_> Somebody gave me an old Dell, so I said why not
[06:43] <dr_willis> Vyom_:  ive moved torrents across os's befor
[06:43] <dr_willis> i think transmission exists for windows
[06:43] <iBurley> Anybody used TeamSpeak for Ubuntu? My side buttons will take me forward and backwards in my browser, but I can't set it as my puch to talk in TS3
[06:43] <ddfgt> hii
[06:43] <cfhowlett> Vyom: I've also moved torrents between OS without issue
[06:43] <ddfgt> how i can mount windows share on ubuntu?
[06:44] <cfhowlett> !samba|ddfgt
[06:44] <tozen> hi gals! does anybody can help me to restore mplayer's icon in Launchpad,.
[06:44] <dr_willis> diffreent clients may use different cach/tmp files
[06:44] <tozen> 12.04
[06:44] <Vyom> dr_willis : But when I used transmission and gave it the magnet link, and selected same folder as was utorrent was using, it started from 0% :/
[06:45] <tozen> im seeing question mark only now
[06:45] <dr_willis> if the clients used different names for partital donwloaded files that woudl make sence
[06:46] <Vyom> Its a torrent running into 4 GB's, and I have a 512 kbps connection. Guessing I would just let this torrent complete in Bindows then! :P
[06:46] <tekkbuzz> Flynsarmy: you still here?
[06:47] <Flynsarmy> tekkbuzz: yup. still struggling.
[06:47] <Vyom> Btw, I had to repair grub from EasyBCD a while ago. Also learnt that we cant repair grub of 64 bit OS from a 32 bit live cd. :S
[06:47] <jason> hello
[06:47] <tekkbuzz> Flynsarmy: try smartmontools , I think it's what you want.
[06:48] <cfhowlett> jasonjang: greetigns
[06:49] <Flynsarmy> tekkbuzz: apt-cache search startmon returns nothing. i got it putting a drive into standby with sg_start —stop /dev/sdb but it just immediately comes back out of standby to active/idle. the drive isn't being read from so i'm not sure what hte issue is. when they're read drives light on the front of my machine blinks. it's not blinking
[06:49] <tekkbuzz> Flynsarmy: apt-get install smartmontools
[06:50] <pablo_> i tried to create a usb bootable ubuntu 12.10 with the universal pen app
[06:50] <pablo_> didnt work, trying  unetbootin as per suggestions
[06:50] <pablo_> hope this works!
[06:50] <pablo_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2072853
[06:50] <Vyom> pablo_, : Use Lili usb live creator
[06:50] <pablo_> il try lil next. im on windows
[06:50] <pablo_> if unetbootin fails
[06:50] <ddfgt> cfhowlett, if i click in nautilus "file > connect to server" select "windows share" and put only the IP address - it is work fine..
[06:51] <Vyom> pablo_, Its a windows client.
[06:51] <pablo_> kk
[06:51] <Vyom> pablo_, : http://www.linuxliveusb.com/
[06:51] <ddfgt> cfhowlett, but when i try to make mount  - it's ask for password..
[06:52] <cfhowlett> ddfgt: All I know about connecting to windows shares is "use samba!" thus the link I referred you to.  Sorry.  Please ask the experts in this channel.  Also, #ubuntu-server might provide some insight.
[06:52] <gia> buongiorno a tutti
[06:52] <cfhowlett> !it|gia:
[06:52] <tekkbuzz> Flynsarmy: description is here: apt-cache show smartmontools
[06:53] <pablo_> File not found Vyom http://download.tuxfamily.org/lilicreator/stable-portable/LinuxLive%20USB%20Creator%202.8.18.zip
[06:53] <pablo_> odd
[06:54] <ddfgt> cfhowlett, tnx i try
[06:54] <pablo_> okay that failed btw.
[06:54] <pablo_> used Unetbootin to create bootable usb
[06:54] <pablo_> is there a sppecific ISO to download? or just the normal one
[06:54] <Muphrid> pablo_: did you check md5?
[06:55] <pablo_> well
[06:55] <pablo_> i downloaded it from torrent
[06:55] <pablo_> the iso~
[06:55] <pablo_> perhaps my windows isnt booting from USB
[06:55] <Muphrid> pablo_: but did unetbootin give any error output?
[06:56] <pablo_> nope
[06:56] <Muphrid> pablo_: so you are booting and your bios is ignoring the usb?
[06:56] <Muphrid> you should change the boot order in the bios or it wont boot
[06:56] <pablo_> i think my bios isnt booting to USB
[06:56] <pablo_> im on an ASUS UX21e laptop
[06:57] <Muphrid> yes, you have to change the boot order in the bios to put usb first
[06:57] <Muphrid> or
[06:57] <pablo_> trying
[06:57] <Muphrid> some laptops have a boot key
[06:57] <Muphrid> in my asus it is esc
[06:57] <wikitopian> <--- On a Samsung Chromebook Series 550 w/ ChruBuntu
[06:57] <pablo_> okay
[06:57] <pablo_> got it
[06:57] <pablo_> it was eSc
[06:57] <pablo_> had to hold it down
[06:57] <pablo_> then it gave me boot options
[06:57] <FloodBot1> pablo_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:58] <Muphrid> good
[06:58] <pablo_> next question is, how much space do i need in my partition (i want to dualboot alongside windows 8)
[06:58] <pablo_> i only have 11.7gb free
[06:58] <pablo_> 4gb ram
[06:58] <Flynsarmy> tekkbuzz: how do i use this to spin down my drives automatically?
[06:58] <pablo_> music & movies will download to windows partition
[06:59] <dr_willis> pablo_:  depends on what work you want to do
[06:59] <pablo_> use Ubuntu as a secondary OS for fun to surf net
[06:59] <phunyguy> ChruBuntu? Is that even supported?
[06:59] <pablo_> is 8gb enough
[06:59] <dr_willis> you could install to a flash drive for that...
[06:59] <Kion1> pablo_: I use it in productioin environment for desktop and server!!!
[06:59] <pablo_> i want to use it without a flash drive plugged in
[07:00] <Muphrid> pablo_: put 2gb swap and the rest for root
[07:00] <tozen> hi guys! does anybody knows to how to restore mplayer's icon in launchpad? i've tried to reinstall it with apt-get install --reinstall mplayer but without a success. 12.04
[07:00] <pablo_> how much is that total?
[07:00] <tekkbuzz> Flynsarmy: I just got it myself, but I see it looks like it can be done.
[07:00] <pablo_> you know what maybe il take this advice
[07:00] <dr_willis> you could do a full install TO a flash drive and not evne partition. if you are only going to allocate 8gb
[07:00] <Muphrid> your free space - 2gb is the root partition
[07:00] <pablo_> install to USB. is it equally fast from USB?
[07:01] <Flynsarmy> tekkbuzz: http://zackreed.me/articles/60-spin-down-idle-hard-disks this page has some info about not letting SMART wake the drives if they're in standby which might be useful though it's not our current issue
[07:01] <dr_willis> does it matter if you are just websurfing
[07:01] <pablo_> lol
[07:01] <pablo_> i guess so. okay how do i install it to USB?
[07:01] <dr_willis> same as you do to hd.
[07:01] <phunyguy> wikitopian:  what is your question?
[07:01] <dr_willis> boot live cd/usb  install to a bigger usb
[07:02] <pablo_> can i do it from windows
[07:02] <Muphrid> pablo_: in the installer partition page it lets you select which device you want to install to
[07:02] <pablo_> is that WUBI tool the one
[07:02] <jason32423> if you install to usb.. does that become portable?  can you just take it around with you and boot from any computer?
[07:02] <dr_willis> avoid wubi..
[07:02] <dr_willis> avoid wubi  like its the plague
[07:02] <pablo_> okay
[07:02] <tekkbuzz> Flynsarmy: mine works, but like I said before I am using the gui: gnome-disks
[07:03] <pablo_> well scenario is, I have the ISO for 12.10, and want to install it to a USB stick
[07:03] <dr_willis>  you can do  LIVE INSTALL TTO USB FROM WINDOWS. OR A FULL INSTALL VIA A BOOT CD/USB
[07:03] <dr_willis> oops
[07:03] <dr_willis> a and casp lock too close
[07:04] <jason32423> can you then just take your usb around and use it in any computer to have your own thing?
[07:04] <dr_willis> you could
[07:04] <dr_willis> live usb may work better for thazt
[07:04] <jason32423> would that become a driver nightmare?
[07:04] <dr_willis> depends on your hardware
[07:05] <jason32423> random hardware if your taking it places
[07:05] <dr_willis> as i said.. live usb is better for moveing around
[07:05] <dr_willis> but not as flexible
[07:05] <jason32423> but with usb install you can keep your shortcuts and files and configs and such
[07:05] <Muphrid> jason32423: you can do that with a persistent live usb I guess
[07:05] <dr_willis> a 'full' install is the same as on a hard disk
[07:06] <jason32423> persistent live?
[07:06] <dr_willis> persistant/live is similer.. but has some limits
[07:06] <jason32423> noobish here
[07:06] <otahak> hey guys.. I just installed 12.10 - and I'd like to change the global menu to something more similar to what was in 10
[07:06] <dr_willis> boot the cd = you got a live cd ...
[07:06] <otahak> could someone point me in the right direction? (Ive been googling for over an hour)
[07:06] <skooks> Mind if anyone help me with a small problem?
[07:06] <dr_willis> otahak:  its not clear what you want
[07:06] <Muphrid> jason32423: make a live usb, and the space left is allocated for personal files on the live system
[07:07] <pablo_> ive mounted the ISO iin windows, and am using the windows based installer to install to my USB drive
[07:07] <Muphrid> ubuntu's usb creator does that
[07:07] <pablo_> is that right?
[07:07] <skooks> I burned Ubunto 11.4 LTS to a CD but when I boot and go for live CD or install, it just hangs on the loading screen with the dots.
[07:07] <otahak> dr_willis - how can I clarify this better for you?
[07:07] <skooks> 12.04*
[07:07] <skooks> Not 11.4.
[07:07] <jason32423> Muphrid:never bothered to play with that
[07:07] <linuxuz3r> hi
[07:07] <skooks> Any reason in particular behind that or?
[07:07] <jason32423> Muphrid: what about installing software like dropbox
[07:07] <dr_willis> otahak:  we done know what part you mean by similer to...
[07:07] <otahak> I installed ubuntu 12. The left-hand menu thingy - what I've found to be called the "global menu"
[07:07] <jason32423> Muphrid:would that stay on the live usb?
[07:08] <Muphrid> jason32423: i believe so
[07:08] <dr_willis> left side panel is the launcher/panel
[07:08] <ForSpareParts> Is there a way to disable the menu bar at the top of a second monitor in Unity? Or at least stop it from showing up when fullscreen apps on that monitor lose focus?
[07:08] <otahak> I dont like it, and I was hoping to remove it and put in the old ubuntu 10 menu
[07:08] <skooks> Hit f6 and choose nomodset, interesting.
[07:08] <dr_willis> global menu is the top  menu bar
[07:08] <pablo_> okay thats not working it seems
[07:08] <dr_willis> you seem to be using the totally wrong words otahak
[07:08] <otahak> that would seem so :)
[07:08] <jason32423> Muphrid: so, if i do something stupid with the ubuntu live usb, then i have dumbed up the whole thing and a reboot wont fix it
[07:08] <otahak> (Im new to ubuntu)
[07:09] <pablo_> where does Wubi get the iso from?
[07:09] <pablo_> it doesnt ask for a location
[07:09] <dr_willis> if new.. id suggest learning unity
[07:09] <Muphrid> pablo_: do you have access to two flash drives you can use?
[07:09] <Brofie> Friday FRIDAY
[07:09] <pablo_> i dont have 2 flash drives :(
[07:09] <Brofie> gotta get down on
[07:09] <Brofie> FRIDAY
[07:09] <otahak> anyway - you're familiar with the left-handed application menu thingy in ubuntu 12 that Im talking about right?
[07:09] <pablo_> is there a way to install from Windows -> USB
[07:09] <Brofie> no
[07:09] <pablo_> i have the ISO ready
[07:09] <Muphrid> jason32423: I dont know, havent had the time to use it for that kind of testing
[07:09] <dr_willis> otahak:  thats the unity panel
[07:09] <dr_willis> its not a menu
[07:10] <otahak> ah.
[07:10] <otahak> that explains why my google searching hasn't yielded much
[07:10] <pablo_> do i need http://www.linuxliveusb.com/
[07:10] <Brofie> I like this channel
[07:10] <Brofie> so many people in it
[07:10] <Brofie> so many friends
[07:10] <otahak> pablo_ use unetbootin
[07:10] <jason32423> its like a nightclub
[07:10] <Muphrid> pablo_: this is LiLi which has the same function of unetbootin
[07:10] <jason32423> except all guys
[07:10] <otahak> sudo apt-get unetbootin
[07:10] <pablo_> oh okay
[07:10] <pablo_> i already have unetbootin
[07:10] <dr_willis> search askubuntu.com for unity part 'definitions'
[07:10] <otahak> gotcha.
[07:10] <dr_willis> !manual | otahak
[07:10] <IdleOne> Brofie: Please don't make me have to remove you. You know the rules here
[07:11] <pablo_> but does unetbootin create a virtual install of the OS or just load the installer from ISO?
[07:11] <jason32423> IdleOne: what?
[07:11] <dr_willis> unetbootin puts the iso on usb with a bootloader
[07:11] <otahak> oh - you want to make a bootable windows USB? not an installer pablo_ ?
[07:11] <Muphrid> pablo_: it creates and installable live cd you can boot from
[07:11] <otahak> unetbootin only makes installs
[07:11] <dr_willis> bbl
[07:11] <pablo_> yeah i dont want install
[07:11] <otahak> (for windows)
[07:11] <otahak> wait dr_willis!
[07:11] <Brofie> IdleOne, it's 2013, baby! Every deserves a second/100th chance!
[07:11] <pablo_> i want to put ubuntu 12.10 iso into USB as OS
[07:11] <Brofie> I'll be good, I swear.
[07:11] <jason32423> OH, i forgot.  i have questions too!!!
[07:11] <pablo_> so do i need linuxlive then
[07:11] <otahak> if I may - are you familiar with a way to restore the old global menu from ubuntu 10?
[07:12] <jason32423> how important is TRIM
[07:12] <otahak> (not the unity panel)
[07:12] <IdleOne> Brofie: That was your second chance :)
[07:12] <ForSpareParts> pablo_, The ISO creates a USB-bootable version of Ubuntu.
[07:12] <pablo_> if i mount the ISO and run wubi.exe
[07:12] <ForSpareParts> It contains the installer program you can use to put Ubuntu on your computer, but you can also use ubuntu off the flash drive.
[07:12] <pablo_> is that the right way? then pick the USB and install
[07:12] <seednode_> otahak: You'll need to use a different DE. I don't know if Gnome2 (the one in 10.04) is still supported
[07:13] <seednode_> otahak, but there are plenty of similar alternatives
[07:13] <jason32423> is wubi standalone?  does it not need windows?
[07:13] <pablo_> its windows .exe i think
[07:13] <Muphrid> otahak: I believe the global menu is from the indicator-appmenu package
[07:13] <otahak> seednode_ please - tell me more. Or at least where to look. I'd like the old system/applications menu from version 10