[07:53] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[07:53] <holycow> mike__, just make sure the fontws are supported
[07:53] <holycow> and put them in your .fonts dir in your home dir
[07:54] <holycow> mike__, its pretty much that simple
[07:54] <adrift> holycow, true, but what about that woman i had in my shop the other day who was still using her typewriter and the library to make copies who doesn't want the hassle of downloading adobe whatever or buy Word in order to type up a document. should they be forced to learn tech? by now all of this should be second nature to folks. Even I find it difficult to figure out how to do things in Windows, not to mention Ubuntu in order to do even th
[07:54] <adrift> e simplest of tasks. Like i said, the ability to make all of this intuitive is out there, but for whatever reason we still have to make sure they enter a password just to log in. That's insanity (for them anyways).
[07:54] <b0red> hi. i have intel core2 cpu... so it supports 64bits... which version of ubuntu do i download?
[07:54] <hope13> i can't see the list of user for some reason
[07:54] <holycow> adrift, absolutely
[07:54] <hope13> you dl the 64 bit version iso
[07:55] <holycow> adrift, i think there A LOT of people like that
[07:55] <holycow> adrift, i might even try to service those people directly
[07:55] <jengc0i1> holycow:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38742/
[07:55] <b0red> hope13, but it's written for amd on the site For computers based on the AMD64 or EM64T architecture (e.g., Athlon64, Opteron, EM64T Xeon). It is not necessary for all (even most) processors made by AMD -- only their 64 bit chips
[07:55] <holycow> adrift, except there is a problem they are WAAAAY too cheap
[07:55] <holycow> adrift, i've helped out millionaires that balked at $80/hr service fees
[07:55] <PORDO> SilentDis what does this have to do with restricted formats?!
[07:55] <adrift> holycow, good point
[07:55] <jengc0i1> b0red: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38742/
[07:55] <hope13> i thought intel 64 bit ALU is basing it on AMD
[07:55] <PORDO> vorbis is non-proprietary.
[07:55] <holycow> adrift, in the end they are the cause of their own mysery -_-
[07:56] <hope13> i guess i'm wrong
[07:56] <hope13> sorry
[07:56] <holycow> adrift, and they alwyas think you are trying to upsell them on something too, heh
[07:56] <SilentDis> PORDO, i THINK the vorbis library got shoved into the universe or multiverse repos.  let me check right quick...
[07:56] <hope13> i don't have the user window on xchat anyone know how to enable it?
[07:56] <adrift> holycow, often, that's because they expect something simple out of something advance, that's why we have advancements in technology, to make life simple and well... cheap
[07:56] <K^Holtz> SilentDis: i dont think it worked so well
[07:57] <holycow> adrift, heh
[07:57] <SilentDis> K^Holtz, what happened?
[07:57] <b0red> hmm hope13?
[07:57] <PORDO> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe multiverse
[07:57] <PORDO> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe multiverse
[07:57] <holycow> adrift, mostly we have poorly engineered solutions to poorly thought out problems BECAUSE the clients are not interested/don't have time to really make the right decision
[07:57] <K^Holtz> SilentDis: i ran it, and it just went to a black screen, and i could type anything and it wouldnt come out of it.. i hit a CTRL F1 a bunch of times while i was in there and it finally rebooted
[07:57] <bazfoo> adrift: if you have an idea for eliminating passwords please let me know
[07:57] <K^Holtz> when i got back into ubuntu, i ran that command again, and it didnt work
[07:57] <jengc0i1> PORDO: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38742/
[07:57] <sushi_> anyone know a command line to instantly generate a hot girlfriend for me who will do anything i tell her to do ?  plz help thx
[07:57] <Arigato> !grub
[07:57] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:57] <K^Holtz> the command to test it
[07:58] <hope13> bored: on xchat program i don't have the window with the list of user; do you know how to enable it?
[07:58] <mike__> ok now i have another issue, how do i make it so my newly installed fonts veiwable on my desktop?
[07:58] <SilentDis> K^Holtz, i tried to say the instructions before you left... you must've missed 'em :)
[07:58] <K^Holtz> SilentDis: ic.. what were the instructions? i just typed sudo envy and let it run
[07:58] <holycow> adrift, so what ends up having is that because clients cannot understand the problem or solution, they put a premium on price.  they think that being cheap is an okay way to solve a problem, and it just results in them ending up with crappy solutions
[07:58] <adrift> yeah, that's not how it works unfortunately. the 60 year old guy i work with wants a computer that you just plug in and use, he wants the cell phone that has no extra features, you just turn on, dial up and talk. i want these things to, and like i said, its not nearly out of the realm of possibility to bring these things to customers, but for whatever reason, noone delivers
[07:58] <holycow> adrift, thus they are the cause of their own mysery
[07:59] <holycow> adrift, totally
[07:59] <SilentDis> K^Holtz, after you install the package, hit ctrl-f1.  log into that terminal.  THEN run sudo envy.  envy will kill off the x windows system, gdm, and any other graphical stuff running.  it will THEN install the driver for you, and offer to restart gdm at the end of the process.
[07:59] <mch> Anybody: is it possible to install off of the 5.10 live CD?
[07:59] <mike__> ok now i have another issue, how do i make it so my newly installed fonts veiwable on my desktop?
[07:59] <K^Holtz> ctrl F1 doesnt do anything for me if i hit it right now
[08:00] <SilentDis> K^Holtz, aargh, i am so sorry, i rebound my keys.  ctrl-alt-f1
[08:00] <holycow> adrift, and the frustrating part is you can't really do anything to get them to understand.  they glaze over at a multisylable sentence
[08:00] <K^Holtz> SilentDis: ok, ill try that
[08:00] <K^Holtz> brb
[08:00] <sushi_> hey anyone know the ubuntu apt-get command for a nice 19 y/o
[08:01] <_goofy_> is there a way to seperate a shared internet connection and  LAN connection between 2 NIC's
[08:01] <hope13> sweet i got it to work
[08:01] <sushi_> mch: yes
[08:02] <hope13> can i ask help about aiglx here or do i have to go to the xgl channel?
[08:02] <mch> sushi_: any details how? booting into the live os failed to provide any links/options for install. Any suitable links?
[08:02] <Senesence> VLC won't play my DVD's, I already got the libdvdcss2 and all the codecs. Anyone got any idea what the problem could be here?
[08:02] <n2diy> hope13: go for it.
[08:02] <hope13> yay
[08:03] <PORDO> I would KILL if someone here could help me figure out how to get dmix working on my ICH5 ac97 setup.
[08:03] <hope13> i was reading the howto compiz +aiglx on edgy
[08:03] <PORDO> i'm going to have an aneurysm -- i've been working on it all weekend.
[08:03] <hope13> and i don't get this: Warning !! compiz-quinn-aiglx and compiz-vanilla-aiglx are now deprecated !Gnome Compiz Manager replace them !
[08:03] <adrift> holycow, yeah. i agree. so more or less, i could hook up my parents with a fully operational system in say... Ubuntu, it just takes the time and dedication to set that system up. I mean... i'd love to do that for them, but then i have to contend (not only the time it would take to do that) but having them integrate the newly acquired knowledge with that that they face at work with windows 2000 or ME lol
[08:04] <hope13> what does that mean? lol
[08:04] <holycow> adrift, a bit yes.  one needs to install flash, codecs, games and lots of various niceties *nod*
[08:04] <pianoboy3333> How do I get chanserv to join my channel?
[08:04] <chimere> Hi, is there any GUI interface for VisualBoyAdvance for linux like in windows? (sorry bad english)
[08:05] <jercos> There's VBA express
[08:05] <Senesence> If you try to fast forward through your DVD's in totem, the whole thing freezes.
[08:06] <thoreauputic> pianoboy3333: ping a staffer I suppose
[08:06] <pianoboy3333> oh
[08:06] <ademan> is there any program that reads or imports power tab files?
[08:06] <sushi_> mch im sorry the live cd and the install cd are different on breezy.
[08:06] <chimere> euh, not that one jercos, i wanted the menus just like in windows where we can find OAM viewer and other functionnalities... (bad bad english)
[08:06] <mch> sushi_ as I thought, thanks all the same
[08:07] <adrift> holycow, sigh, well hopefully in the not to distant future we'll have something that will incorporate all of those things into a distro :D
[08:07] <holycow> adrift, you have it
[08:07] <holycow> its ubuntu
[08:07] <holycow> :)
[08:07] <sciboy> Bugga!
[08:07] <adrift> lol, more or less
[08:07] <Senesence> I can't play my DVD's :(
[08:07] <sciboy> My computer finally became unstable.
[08:08] <adrift> just gotta make sure they don't have a system that doesn't have 64 bit technology like me :D
[08:08] <holycow> sciboy, what does that mean exactly?
[08:08] <sciboy> holycow: I did a bunch of stuff i wasn't suppose to and it's freezing often for a year of abuse.
[08:08] <holycow> lol
[08:08] <sciboy> after a year*
[08:08] <holycow> sciboy, well look at it this way
[08:08] <sushi_> Senesence I use VLC with the restricted modules library installed
[08:08] <pianoboy3333> thoreauputic: easier than that actually
[08:08] <Naik0> Hello ive installed Candido GTK+2 Engine with "sudo dpkg -i package_name.deb"
[08:08] <holycow> if you reinstall you don't haveto 'ask permission' from redmon to actually use what you own
[08:08] <holycow> :)
[08:08] <fowlduck> Merry Christmas and goodnight
[08:08] <thoreauputic> pianoboy3333: ?
[08:08] <sushi_> Senesence restricted formats
[08:09] <Naik0> am i finished now?
[08:09] <pianoboy3333> thoreauputic: lol
[08:09] <holycow> sciboy, thats the best way to learn, be prepared to hose a systme and just giver
[08:09] <pianoboy3333> thoreauputic: I'm not sharing my secrets ;)
[08:09] <jercos> I just recently used the install/live CD for ubuntu dapper to expand my root partiton (ext3 from around 6 GB to around 30-ish GB) and now I have the exact same amount of free space (close to 1 GB). sudo du -s /* doesnt show nearly enough to account for 37 GB of data... any ideas what could be the problem?
[08:09] <Senesence> sushi_: I have VLC, and also libdvdcss2 all the codecs (easy ubuntu), but VLC won't play it.
[08:09] <sciboy> I saw it coming, but anyway since i'm doing a fresh install, i'm wondering what kind of desktop environment i should go for this time.
[08:09] <thoreauputic> pianoboy3333: I don't need your secrets - i can talk to nalioth or rob :)
[08:09] <sciboy> Up till now i've been using XFCE4 + Rox-filer.
[08:10] <pianoboy3333> thoreauputic: fine... /msg chanserv set <channel> guard on
[08:10] <thoreauputic> pianoboy3333: cool :)
[08:11] <hope13> um i'm trying to install AIGLX
[08:11] <Naik0> how can i see what GTK+2 Engine i use?
[08:11] <thoreauputic> pianoboy3333: since I have no intention of setting up a channel I can forget that immendiately ;p
[08:11] <hope13> i'm editing the sources.list and it doesn't work
[08:11] <adrift> how would you go about backing up so that these thing don't get completely hosed. Windows has the Restore feature which barely works half the time. is there something in Ubuntu that does a similar job?
[08:11] <thoreauputic> hope13: um
[08:11] <hope13> am i suppose to put "wget<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-O- | sudo apt-key add -"?
[08:11] <GuLrs> anyone knows any sfv checker gui for linux?
[08:11] <hope13> in the list?
[08:11] <thoreauputic> !doesn't work
[08:11] <ubotu> Please elaborate, your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information, errors, steps, and possibly configuration files (use the !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel)
[08:12] <sciboy> Should i continue using ReiserFS?
[08:12] <thoreauputic> sciboy: why not?
[08:12] <holycow> sciboy, i stopped using it as soon as i heard about the issue
[08:12] <mheyn> halllo
[08:12] <sciboy> What issue would that be?
[08:12] <thoreauputic> holycow: enlighten me
[08:12] <holycow> sciboy, there are only maintainers for it, reiser3 is no longer supported and reiser4 is not fully in the kernel
[08:12] <Naik0> how can i see what GTK+2 Engine i use?
[08:12] <holycow> thoreauputic, thats what my reading on it reveals
[08:12] <adrift> also, what is the most user friendly distro in Linux? right now it seems to be Ubuntu.
[08:13] <adrift> is that correct?
[08:13] <adrift> again, for the average joe
[08:13] <thoreauputic> holycow: hmm - Reiser himself has problems and is selling his company, yeah
[08:13] <n2diy> hope13: adrift,  yep
[08:13] <holycow> until we see someone pick up reiser and run with it, its only going to be code that dies a slow death
[08:13] <GuLrs> anyone knows any sfv checker GUI for linux?
[08:13] <adrift> n2diy, OK that's what i thought
[08:13] <bazfoo> did he bail out of jail or is he still there?
[08:13] <thoreauputic> holycow: I expect some people will pick it up though ( the fs)
[08:13] <holycow> thoreauputic, yeah :/ sad i loved reiser
[08:13] <sciboy> Not the easiest, but certainly the most friendly, there are other ones that come pre installed with everything assuming the user doesn't have a clue.
[08:14] <holycow> thoreauputic, i would hope so, i really enjoyed it
[08:14] <hope13> am i suppose to put "wget<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-O- | sudo apt-key add -" in the source.list for AIGLX?
[08:14] <sciboy> holycow: What do you use now?
[08:14] <n2diy> adrift, I don't know what your doing, but go for it.
[08:14] <thoreauputic> holycow: I hear ext4 is on the way though
[08:15] <adrift> i seem to see a lot of linux users who seem to denigrate ubuntu because of all the add-ons. is there another distro that you'd all recommend?
[08:15] <holycow> i decided ext3 was the way because it has the most robust file system toolset
[08:15] <jercos> Anybody have any ideas as to why there would be 30 GB of unaccounted for space taken up in an ext3 partition?
[08:15] <thoreauputic> hope13: that is a command - not something that goes in the file
[08:15] <sciboy> The addons is a good thing, it gives you better control over customisation
[08:15] <holycow> thoreauputic, yeah, ext4 isn't a huge gain though, i would love to see someone take reiser 4 and really do a number on the fs tools
[08:15] <hope13> oh thank you lol
[08:15] <thoreauputic> hope13: it is to get the gpg keys
[08:15] <sciboy> I personally don't need the kitchen sink by default.
[08:16] <sushi_> #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[08:16] <sciboy> Oh, and if i'm going to save all i can from my current reiserfs, what's the command again?
[08:17] <holycow> just save off /home and reinstall as whatever and restore /home
[08:17] <sushi_> What's the command for the cute warm christmas elf?
[08:17] <adrift> sciboy, that's what i thought, but seems i've heard complaints that ubuntu's add-ons take away from the ability of total customization. i've only ever used debian based linux products (specifically ubuntu and kubuntu) I know that Redhat was all the rage not long ago. what are the major disadvantages between Debian and the others?
[08:18] <wantamad> Merry Christmas!
[08:18] <nn> &2
[08:18] <ja> Merry Christmas wantamad.
[08:18] <wantamad> anybody know how to upgrade xorg 7.0 to xorg 7.1?
[08:18] <thoreauputic> adrift: you can customise Ubuntu asmuch as you like
[08:18] <thoreauputic> adrift: where did you hear otherwise?
[08:19] <holycow> adrift, its basically debian
[08:19] <holycow> adrift, what are 'addon's your talking about anyway?
[08:19] <hope13> =]
[08:19] <thoreauputic> wantamad: what does 7.1 do that 7.0 doesn't do for you?
[08:19] <holycow> adrift, there are only packages, you install them then remove them, tahts it
[08:19] <hope13> i got AIGLX to work thx u
[08:19] <adrift> thoreauputic, people on Digg.com seem to be the major complainers
[08:19] <hope13> thx u thxu
[08:19] <sciboy> adrift: I can't really make a point for point comparison, but the main advantage for Debian distro's is the fact that alot of the tools are centered around the APT tool, if i want for example to get the latest nvidia drivers i use 'module-assistant auto-install nvidia' it'll automatically apt the drivers and build a package and install it for me.
[08:20] <thoreauputic> adrift: and how knowledgeable are the complainers, do you think?
[08:20] <wantamad> 7.1 has aiglx built-in. it makes beryl run on less cpu usage
[08:20] <adrift> i'd say... probably moderately to advanced
[08:20] <sciboy> adrift: There is no such thing as an unbiased opinion though, i've been using Debian for 5 years and counting now.
[08:21] <thoreauputic> wantamad: OK - I don't know what the edgy version is to be honest
[08:21] <PORDO> debian needs to stop using Condorcet elections, and switch to range voting.
[08:21] <holycow> adrift, on digg.com all i see is praise for ubuntu
[08:21] <PORDO> http://rangevoting.org/Debian2003.html
[08:21] <holycow> adrift, which frankly i was surprsed considering you and i know EXACTLY what sorts of users they are :)
[08:21] <sciboy> adrift: I highly recommend Ubuntu, it's friendly without being crippled in any way.
[08:21] <thoreauputic> adrift: people from non debian distros often don't understand the Debian Way (tm)
[08:21] <ja> l
[08:21] <adrift> sciboy, well as far as i can tell, according to time lines and what not... seems that most folks find Debian to be ahead of the curve only just recently. and that eventually something bigger and better will come along with one of the older or other distros
[08:21] <PORDO> I hate how ubuntu is all african themed.  I want something blue and european feeling...something very empirialist.
[08:22] <wantamad> im still using dapper. i dont want to upgrade to edgy yet. i just want to update xorg to 7.1
[08:22] <cstrippie> #beryl
[08:22] <cstrippie> oops
[08:22] <bazfoo> I think red hat is somewhat favored by corporations
[08:22] <holycow> adrift, actually no
[08:22] <PORDO> bazfoo well that makes sense.
[08:22] <sciboy> adrift: What difference does the past and the future make? Look at the solutions available to you now.
[08:22] <PORDO> i'd absolutely _kill_ to get my sound working with dmix in ubuntu.  alsa is a nightmare.
[08:22] <thoreauputic> wantamad: sound like a recipe for headaches to me
[08:22] <holycow> adrift, debian has been ahead of the game for a fairly long time.  pretty much ever since apt/dpkg came around
[08:22] <cstrippie> bazfoo - based on the quarterlies just issued, I'd say Red Hat s doing *extremely* well at the corp. level.
[08:23] <sciboy> adrift: I'll agree there has been huge improvements in usability since i started, with that said i don't see it getting any worse any time soon;
[08:23] <PORDO> hey someone help me out here: sudo apt-cache search gstreamer | grep vorbis
[08:23] <PORDO> gstreamer0.8-vorbis - Vorbis plugin for GStreamer
[08:23] <PORDO> why can't i find 0.10?
[08:23] <skroll> is there a way in ubuntu to use a local drive in a vmware player virtual machine?
[08:23] <PORDO> i need vorbis support for my music.
[08:23] <thoreauputic> PORDO: are you on edgy?
[08:23] <PORDO> yup
[08:24] <adrift> holycow, ok, well good. that's sorta what i wanted to know.
[08:24] <thoreauputic> PORDO: have you installed vorbis-tools ?
[08:24] <thoreauputic> !vorbis-tools
[08:24] <ubotu> vorbis-tools: several Ogg Vorbis tools. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.1-5 (edgy), package size 92 kB, installed size 728 kB
[08:24] <wantamad> i agree thoreauputic. its just that i want beryl to run faster
[08:24] <PORDO> thoreauputic good point.
[08:24] <hope13> does beryl and aiglx takes up a lot of resources?
[08:25] <wantamad> xgl and beryl takes a lot of cpu share
[08:25] <wantamad> for me
[08:25] <adrift> To tell the truth, i've always found IRC chats more complicated than they have to be, but with XChat and this channel, i feel pretty comfortable to ask questions to you all and getting straight answers that i often can't get even in online forums
[08:25] <thoreauputic> wantamad: I don't know for sure, but I think edgy probably uses a newer libc6 - so you would be looking at some serious breakage I suspect
[08:25] <PORDO> thoreauputic doesn't work.  i still need the gstreamer plugins.
[08:25] <wantamad> yea. ill try edgy out
[08:26] <PORDO> i feel trapped though adrift, because i just have this...sort of "basic' question about getting dmix working, and i can't find the answer anywhere.  i use forums, i ask in #alsa... nothing works.
[08:26] <thoreauputic> PORDO: if you have lots of room, install all the gstreamer plugins ;) sudo apt-get install gstreamer*
[08:26] <PORDO> i've spent the past two weekends on it.
[08:26] <hope13> how do i check cpu usage?
[08:26] <hope13> =]
[08:26] <PORDO> thoreauputic they don't exist.
[08:26] <sciboy> PORDO: What about Dmix?
[08:26] <PORDO> thoreauputic so my sources.list must be messed up.
[08:26] <thoreauputic> PORDO: ah
[08:26] <PORDO> sciboy i can't get dmix working for my ICH5
[08:26] <holycow> adrift, lol, actually the ops are all doing the xmas thing
[08:26] <holycow> adrift, most of our conversation has been waaaay offtopice
[08:26] <wantamad> i use a system monitor called conky
[08:26] <thoreauputic> !easysource | PORDO
[08:26] <ubotu> PORDO: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:26] <sciboy> PORDO: You need to be more specific than that.
[08:26] <cstrippie> hope13 - Beryl was painfully slow on my old laptop (3.2ghzP4 w/Radeion 9800), but appears to have no real effect on my current lappie (2ghz Core2Duo w/ATI X1400)
[08:26] <holycow> mostly the q/a's are limited to technical answers
[08:27] <PORDO> thoreauputic http://rangevoting.org/Debian2003.html
[08:27] <PORDO> oops
[08:27] <PORDO> sudo apt-cache search gstreamer | grep vorbis
[08:27] <PORDO> gstreamer0.8-vorbis - Vorbis plugin for GStreamer
[08:27] <sciboy> PORDO: First step to finding a solution is knowing the cause of the problem.
[08:27] <PORDO> i don't find gstreamer0.10-vorbis
[08:27] <thoreauputic> PORDO: yes I saw that already
[08:27] <PORDO> sciboy okay, so what's the cause of my problem?
[08:27] <adrift> PORDO, yeah, occasionally i get unanswerable questions like that too, you just have to dig a bit deeper or stay on chats like this long enough and eventually someone comes up with the solution
[08:27] <hope13> oh
[08:27] <thoreauputic> PORDO: what exactly are you doing (ie there may be a diferent answer)
[08:28] <SuperLag> /lastlog is your friend
[08:28] <cstrippie> hope - the general consensus was that the Radeon 9800, not the P4 was the problem
[08:28] <adrift> holycow, i realize that lol. still, like you said before, sometimes knowing the why helps understanding the how
[08:28] <sciboy> PORDO: For the record you don't need to use grep, apt-cache search gstreamer vorbis should work fine.
[08:28] <sciboy> PORDO: Oh and apt-cache shouldn't require superuser priveleges either.
[08:28] <hope13> o
[08:28] <thoreauputic> PORDO: phrase your question as "I want to do X"
[08:29] <PORDO> sciboy http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=324642
[08:29] <hope13> cstrippie: oh thx, i'm running on celeron m intel integrated graphic card; I think it's running ok
[08:29] <PORDO> i didn't realize apt-cache didn't need superuser.
[08:29] <PORDO> net.
[08:29] <PORDO> neat
[08:29] <PORDO> thoreauputic http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=324642
[08:29] <PORDO> that's my asound.conf issue.
[08:29] <cstrippie> hope - np - ATI drivers seem to have a somewhat bad reputation for beryl/aiglx
[08:30] <PORDO> i have my digital optical out, and my analog out working...just not with dmix, so each one can only be used by one app at a time.  extremely annoying.
[08:30] <thoreauputic> PORDO: ah - you really need someone like crimsun - I'm no sound person
[08:30] <cstrippie> Tho, again, my x1400 loves beryl.
[08:30] <sciboy> Guys, what's the recommended way to move the contents of an entire filesystem?
[08:30] <thoreauputic> PORDO: have you tried asking on the users mailing list?
[08:30] <hope13> um i accidentally close the window lol
[08:30] <PORDO> thoreauputic yeah, he has always been the only one who could help me, except he's kind of mean and impatient, even when i try to do exactly what he says.
[08:30] <sciboy> Cause i know symlinks etc. may cause problems with a normal cp.
[08:30] <thoreauputic> PORDO: my experience is the exact opposite
[08:30] <PORDO> i don't like the idea of mailing lists.
[08:31] <PORDO> i believe in RSS feeds, and forums.
[08:31] <thoreauputic> PORDO: your call
[08:31] <sushi_> if your box loves composite managers, then you must be running nVidia.
[08:31] <zomghax> hi
[08:31] <zomghax> banana
[08:31] <PORDO> thoreauputic i'll probably have to wait until i can run into crimsun again.
[08:31] <thoreauputic> PORDO: you are losing a valuable resource
[08:31] <PORDO> to me, the entire structure of alsa's asound.conf system is archaic.
[08:31] <PORDO> it's maddening.
[08:31] <thoreauputic> ie mailing lists
[08:31] <PORDO> thoreauputic stuff getting sent to me email inbox?!
[08:31] <PORDO> crazy.
[08:31] <adrift> holycow, so are you a big Dawkins fan? I started watching the film you directed me too, and am actually restarting it now about 19 minutes in.
[08:32] <thoreauputic> PORDO: over and out: you haven't listened to me
[08:32] <PORDO> I emailed richard dawkins once and he wrote me a nice response.
[08:32] <PORDO> thoreauputic okay, what's the link to sign up for the list?
[08:32] <zomghax> how is this about ubuntu?
[08:32] <PORDO> thoreauputic i'll give it a shot.
[08:32] <thoreauputic> !lists
[08:32] <ubotu> mail is another medium to communicate. Ubuntu mailinglists can be found at http://lists.ubuntu.com
[08:32] <holycow> adrift, oh totally, the single person that actually has logically organized all of his beliefs
[08:32] <adrift> PORDO, really?
[08:32] <PORDO> zomghax it's Festivus.  c'mon.
[08:32] <zomghax> lol
[08:32] <zomghax> but people need help
[08:32] <holycow> adrift, the coolest thing about dawkins is you can take his entire belief system, write it down in a list and try to prove/disprove each one of them
[08:32] <PORDO> holycow I strive to be like dawkins. :)
[08:32] <holycow> adrift, in comparison i feel like a complete retard :)
[08:33] <zomghax> isnt there an admin?
[08:33] <zomghax> better watch out
[08:33] <holycow> PORDO, i have been influenced to reach the same level of understanding too
[08:33] <zomghax> watch ur back!
[08:33] <adrift> holycow, really? as a christian, i of course have a few issues with some of his theories :D but i still think the concept of meme's for instance is obviously amazing
[08:33] <unikon> thoreauputic u are a op correct
[08:33] <zomghax> no
[08:33] <holycow> lol we should stop indeed
[08:33] <zomghax> Christian?
[08:33] <zomghax> nonono
[08:33] <hope13> lol what key is the "super" key on the keyboard? >,> lol
[08:33] <sciboy> Anyone recommend Beryl?
[08:33] <PORDO> dawkins is good at disassembling the anthropological argument err.. "anthropic" principle, or whatever it's called that theists always try to use.  "the universe looks designed.."
[08:33] <unikon>  who needs eye candy
[08:33] <hope13> i recommend it cuz i just did it
[08:33] <hope13> lol
[08:33] <sciboy> I'm looking at what desktop environment to try next.
[08:33] <zomghax> its not designed!
[08:34] <sushi_> I would like to transmito my internet connection from my laptop, so that my desktop computer can communicate with it, is there a GUI for this?
[08:34] <idlemind> is blackbox still in existance?
[08:34] <sushi_> Via WiFi
[08:34] <PORDO> i love how dawkins puts gould in his place.
[08:34] <hope13> took me 20 min but i got it
[08:34] <zomghax> yeah
[08:34] <holycow> adrift, i'm impressed you find him informative.  thats cool
[08:34] <zomghax> I saw the blackbox
[08:34] <thoreauputic> !offtopic
[08:34] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[08:34] <zcat[1] > ummm.. #ubuntu-offtopic perhaps, guys?
[08:34] <holycow> thoreauputic, sorry
[08:34] <zomghax> yeah
[08:34] <zomghax> see
[08:34] <zomghax> told ya
[08:34] <hope13> where's the super key on the keyboard? lol
[08:34] <thoreauputic> --------->> thataway
[08:35] <zomghax> um
[08:35] <zomghax> forgot
[08:35] <hope13> one of the beryl shortcut uses a super key
[08:35] <zcat[1] > *place
[08:35] <howieson27> good morning and merry christamas can anybody help me i have make a update and my burner is lose in k3b. have anybody the same problem?
[08:35] <zomghax> lose?
[08:35] <PORDO> i love how dawkins also says, to hell with this whole science and religion accomodating each other.  you can believe rationally or irrationally, and the two are not compatible.
[08:35] <idlemind> LOL
[08:35] <xororand> in which repo can i find Liferea (GNOME rss aggregator)?
[08:35] <holycow> PORDO, lets continue in offtopic, lets not get you banned here :)
[08:36] <zomghax> lol
[08:36] <PORDO> religions make claims beyond morality and such...they go into the empirical world, and how things came to be.  that's science's turf.  so just be ready for a headlock religion.
[08:36] <zomghax> omg dont tell me
[08:36] <zomghax> this is religious crap
[08:36] <ronaldoa> hello everyone
[08:36] <hope13> hi
[08:36] <zomghax> hi
[08:36] <zomghax> welcome
[08:36] <hope13> tell me where the super key is lol
[08:36] <zomghax> to ubuntu support forum
[08:37] <howieson27> yes k3b can find it zomghax
[08:37] <zomghax> oh
[08:37] <adrift> holycow, of course, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge" -Hosea 4:6
[08:37] <adrift> :D
[08:37] <zomghax> awesome
[08:37] <ronaldoa> how to configue  opera to support amule?
[08:37] <sushi_> How do I set up a wireless network with 2 ubuntu machines that have wifi cards?  I need to set up a SSID and WEP password.
[08:38] <hope13> ssh? lol
[08:38] <hope13> wait that is for something else >,>
[08:38] <sushi_> hope i hope that is not your solution for my problem =]
[08:38] <zcat[1] > sushi_: system > administration > networking .. hopefully the cards will appear in there already and you just set the options you want.
[08:39] <hope13> what if it doesn't?
[08:39] <zcat[1] > sushi_: but it depends how well supported your cards are.
[08:39] <hope13> does he have to use that wrapper?
[08:39] <max_> does anyone know what KDE's equivilant to Gnomes nautilus is
[08:40] <zomghax> BANANA1
[08:40] <zomghax> !
[08:40] <hope13> i'll look up my linux for dummies for your answer one sec
[08:40] <bazfoo> max_: konquerer i think
[08:40] <hope13> oh nm
[08:40] <zigot> hello good people of ubuntu :)
[08:40] <zomghax> hi
[08:40] <zomghax> welcome
[08:41] <zigot> thanks ... my first time here
[08:41] <Flannel> max_: konqueror
[08:41] <zomghax> =D
[08:41] <zcat[1] > If the cards are not well supported, my best advice is to try and return them, and make it clear that you're returning them due to lack of linux support. And get some well supported cards as a replacement :)
[08:41] <zigot> just checking it out
[08:41] <zomghax> its quite crowded
[08:41] <zomghax> as you can see
[08:41] <elkbuntu> zigot, we have a general chat channel over at #ubuntu-offtopic :) this channel is for support
[08:41] <zigot> is it?
[08:42] <elkbuntu> we prefer to keep it that way, at least :)
[08:42] <zcat[1] > zigot: within reason...
[08:42] <adrift> ok folks, i'm out of here. have a merry Christmas, i have many more questions, but i suppose those are for another day. take care.
[08:42] <zigot> ok sorry for the noise.... I do have one tech question while I'm here
[08:42] <raxip> Hi
[08:42] <zomghax> lates
[08:42] <juanchito2006> !ATi
[08:42] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:42] <sushi_> Ok... right now I am receiving internet from my wireless router, but I want to transmit from my antenna another SSID for others to connect to my computer and access the internet from me
[08:43] <zigot> may I shoot my question?
[08:43] <zomghax> just do
[08:43] <zomghax> it takes time for the response tho
[08:43] <zigot> cool.... namely, I have a problem with some popular media standards
[08:43] <zcat[1] > !codecs
[08:43] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:44] <zomghax> use vlc
[08:44] <zigot> I understand why.... but I don't quite understand how to solve it (you are guessing most of the popular formats are not playing)
[08:44] <Flannel> zigot: you install the codecs, the first link there provides instructions on installing them
[08:45] <zcat[1] > zigot: I generally just install mplayer + w32codecs + libdvdcss2 -- anything that doesn't play after that probably doesn't play in windows either..
[08:45] <d00d> os[Linux 2.6.18-3-686 i686]  distro[Debian 4.0]  cpu[1 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz @ 2.66GHz]  mem[Physical : 1010MB, 88.9% free]  disk[Total : 18.02GB, 66.20% Free]  video[nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] ]  sound[]
[08:46] <Naik0> how can i see what GTK+2 Engine iam using right now?
[08:46] <zigot> thanks fellas... I'll jump on it
[08:46] <colk> im trying to install the latest ubuntu on a dell e1505 and it gets part way through boot and then seems to freeze initlazing the intel 3945
[08:47] <zomghax> corrupt cd?
[08:47] <colk> says its supported but it refuses to initlaize
[08:47] <zcat[1] > colk: obvious stuff first; did you check the md5 sum and self-test the CD ?
[08:47] <Flannel> colk: did you burn at 4x?
[08:47] <zomghax> did you use a cd drive?
[08:47] <zspada15_> 0mgh4x
[08:47] <colk> using dvd drive
[08:48] <zomghax> lol
[08:48] <zomghax> thats why
[08:48] <zomghax> hello
[08:48] <zomghax> need to be cd
[08:48] <zomghax> but all wells
[08:48] <zomghax> you can try
[08:48] <colk> its dvd/cdrom
[08:48] <zomghax> only like 2/10 cd succeeded when I tried
[08:48] <zomghax> then its good!
[08:48] <zcat[1] > zomghax: seriously; what DVD drive would ever cause an install to fail?
[08:49] <Flannel> colk: check your md5, burn at 4x
[08:49] <colk> im using a dvd r
[08:49] <colk> checking integrity now
[08:49] <zomghax> um myn
[08:49] <zomghax> I did same burn
[08:49] <rcrook> ok... I have got everything I want to use on my laptop expect the Belkin USB Frame grabber.
[08:49] <zomghax> for each
[08:50] <zcat[1] > zomghax: well anyhoo... if it pases the integrity check that should be a nonissue anyhow...
[08:50] <zomghax> I checked each
[08:51] <zomghax> I used my cd burned and it burned all 10 succeesfullly
[08:51] <zomghax> burner *
[08:51] <zcat[1] > weird. Not a problem I've seen before...
[08:51] <zcat[1] > was that a CD image burned to a DVD ?
[08:51] <zomghax> cs
[08:51] <zomghax> cd
[08:52] <zomghax> im not that stupid =/
[08:52] <zcat[1] > hmmmm, ok
[08:52] <zomghax> I tried 4 systems
[08:53] <zcat[1] > Sorry.. I mean was it the regular 700M ISO made for a CD, not the bigger one for DVD's... I'm still not sure there's any significant difference in them other than size.
[08:53] <oclet> is there a way
[08:53] <oclet> to install
[08:53] <oclet> nongui
[08:53] <oclet> err
[08:53] <zomghax> o
[08:53] <oclet> to do the install without gui
[08:53] <zcat[1] > oclet: use the alternative image
[08:53] <oclet> uff
[08:53] <zomghax> yeah
[08:54] <oclet> sucks
[08:54] <colk> checksum passed
[08:54] <oclet> i'm installing onto a really old 700mhz laptop
[08:54] <zcat[1] > I don't think you can do a nongui install with the regular CD..
[08:54] <oclet> and the right side of the keyboard select screen never comes up
[08:55] <K^Holtz> ughh, my sound just stopped working all together
[08:55] <zomghax> uh
[08:55] <Naik0> How do i extract tar.gz file?
[08:55] <zomghax> muted?
[08:55] <Naik0> i tried tar -xjvf
[08:55] <oclet> hrm
[08:55] <zomghax> volume control
[08:55] <oclet> anyways wheres the alternate install cd?
[08:55] <zcat[1] > tar -xzf for tar.gz  tar -xjf for tar.bz2
[08:56] <Naik0> thanks zcat[1]  !
[08:56] <K^Holtz> no, its not muted
[08:56] <zcat[1] > or just use archive manager :)
[08:56] <Naik0> yea! but i want to learn basics :P
[08:56] <colk> hmm
[08:56] <zcat[1] > Naik0: man tar :)
[08:56] <colk> the wifi light flickers
[08:57] <sushi_> How do I change root password please
[08:57] <colk> and the boot freezes
[08:57] <zcat[1] > sushi_: you don't. It's a bad idea
[08:57] <zomghax> he wants too
[08:57] <sushi_> I think my password has been compromised
[08:57] <colk> hmm i have an idea
[08:57] <sushi_> and why is it a bad idea?  please explain
[08:57] <zcat[1] > bah! sudo passwd root   then, but don't say I didn't warn you...
[08:57] <oclet> anyone know where to get the alternate cd install?
[08:57] <oclet> or whatever
[08:58] <sushi_> zcat: what will happen if something 'goes wrong'
[08:58] <zomghax> ur doomed
[08:58] <zomghax> 4ever
[08:58] <zomghax> and ever
[08:58] <oclet> i dont want doom
[08:58] <sushi_> recovery mode will log me in as root wont it
[08:58] <oclet> ughz
[08:58] <sushi_> i want doom 2
[08:58] <zomghax> lol
[08:58] <zomghax> me want doom 4
[08:59] <zomghax> anyone tried cs source using wine?
[08:59] <zcat[1] > recovery mode will log you straight into a root shell. The rest of the time you really should use sudo, it makes accidents less likely for a start...
[08:59] <cbx33> zomghax, yes
[08:59] <zomghax> good?
[08:59] <cbx33> zomghax, works pretty well
[08:59] <cbx33> I get
[08:59] <zomghax> yay
[08:59] <cbx33> 1024x768
[08:59] <cbx33> average of 40fps
[08:59] <zomghax> halflife 2 too?
[08:59] <cbx33> but then my machine does kick a little ass
[09:00] <zomghax> o
[09:00] <cbx33> zomghax, not tried but I imagine that may work a little better
[09:00] <cbx33> zomghax, what mahien you got?
[09:00] <zomghax> mahien?
[09:00] <cbx33> machine
[09:00] <zomghax> machine?
[09:00] <zomghax> um
[09:00] <zomghax> pentium 4 3.2 ghz 1 and a half gb ram
[09:01] <cbx33> hmmm
[09:01] <cbx33> you could be ok then
[09:01] <zomghax> geforece 66000 oc
[09:01] <zomghax> 6600
[09:01] <cbx33> wine is nice enough to compile from source
[09:01] <cbx33> eh I only have a 7300 GT OC
[09:01] <jcaceres> hello, i have some trouble, because my laptop checks file system, every time it reboots, and that takes tooomuch
[09:01] <zomghax> !
[09:01] <sushi_> zcat i know all this but as far as changin root password, why is that a bad idea?   I want to do it weekly
[09:01] <cbx33> zomghax, the 6600 GT is .... I think ... more power ful than the 7300 GT OC
[09:01] <hope13> gasp x chat crashed lol
[09:01] <jcaceres> i know that that's normal every 30 boots, but in this case it happens ebery time
[09:01] <zomghax> o
[09:01] <cbx33> zomghax, here's what ya need to do
[09:02] <zomghax> didnt kow
[09:02] <zcat[1] > sushi_: it's more secure to have no root account at all...
[09:02] <cbx33> do an  apt-get build-dep wine
[09:02] <jcaceres> any idea of how can i solve that?
[09:02] <zomghax> k
[09:02] <jengc0i1> nn: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38746/
[09:02] <cbx33> that'll get you all the build dependencies of wine
[09:02] <cbx33> the repo version of wine is crap
[09:02] <jengc0i1> cbx33: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38746/
[09:03] <cbx33> jengc0i1, ?
[09:03] <sushi_> zcat: ok well then i mean to say: "How do I change the sudo password"
[09:03] <cbx33> zomghax, after you have done that
[09:03] <zomghax> is says
[09:03] <cbx33> visit www.winehq.com
[09:03] <zomghax> it says
[09:03] <zomghax> unable to find
[09:03] <zcat[1] > sushi_: the sudo password is your normal login password
[09:03] <cbx33> and get the latest source
[09:03] <cbx33> zomghax, do you have universe/multiverse enabled?
[09:03] <sushi_> zcat: you mean first user login account
[09:04] <cbx33> if not goto... System->Administration->Software Sources
[09:04] <zomghax> all?
[09:04] <sushi_> zcat[1]  thanks you helped =]
[09:04] <jengc0i1> cbx33: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38746/
[09:04] <cbx33> oh
[09:04] <_goofy_> how do i find out the release i have
[09:04] <cbx33> you're dapper?
[09:04] <sushi_> zcat[1]  now what if I accidently set a root password, what should I do to re-secure it ?
[09:05] <sushi_> i did sudo passwd root   but now that compromised it, how do I disable root again?
[09:05] <howieson27> hello ubuntu find my burner as a scsi burner how can i change this?
[09:05] <jengc0i1> cbx33: yeah 6.06
[09:05] <howieson27> hello ubuntu find my burner as a scsi burner where can i change this?
[09:05] <cbx33> jengc0i1, :(
[09:06] <cbx33> zomghax, yeh turn em all one
[09:06] <Boglizk> I'm having problems with my charset
[09:06] <cbx33> s/one/on
[09:06] <zomghax> all?!
[09:06] <cbx33> jengc0i1, I'm not sure on that one
[09:06] <cbx33> zomghax, yup
[09:06] <zomghax> theres like 100's
[09:06] <cbx33> oh?
[09:06] <jengc0i1> cbx33: who can help?
[09:06] <cbx33> you only need universe
[09:06] <zcat[1] > sushi_: sudo nano /etc/shadow   and edit the password field (it's the second thing between :'s and will be lots of letters) back to :*:
[09:06] <cbx33> and multiverse
[09:06] <max_> any one know how to just take an audio tr4ack of a flv file?
[09:07] <cbx33> jengc0i1, probably not many people today
[09:07] <max_> or save audio fomr youtube
[09:07] <cbx33> max_, I think mplayer should be able to rip that out
[09:07] <jengc0i1> holiday
[09:07] <sushi_> zcat[1]  thanks you helped again !
[09:07] <cbx33> indeed
[09:07] <jengc0i1> i forgot
[09:07] <zomghax> ohI checked them off
[09:07] <cbx33> max_, or you could try vlc
[09:07] <zcat[1] > Or perhaps root:!:  seems to be the standard... either works
[09:07] <max_> how?
[09:07] <cbx33> max_, that shoudl be able to transcode it
[09:07] <cbx33> get vlc
[09:07] <max_> they play it, but how can i just get audio off of it
[09:07] <max_> i have vlxc
[09:07] <max_> vlc*
[09:07] <cbx33> in vlc there is the option to transcode
[09:07] <jengc0i1> !rep
[09:07] <cbx33> do wizard I think
[09:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rep - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:08] <cbx33> !repo
[09:08] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[09:08] <zcat[1] > max_: mplayer --dumpaudio --dumpfile=soundtrack.wav mediaclip.avi
[09:08] <cbx33> jengc0i1, have a google for restting the cache
[09:08] <sushi_> zcat[1]  if i remember old unix, one means 'no password' and one means 'disabled user'    ! or *   shrug  =\
[09:08] <jcaceres> hello, i have some trouble, because my laptop checks file system, every time it reboots, and that takes tooomuch
[09:08] <jcaceres> any idea of how can i solve that?
[09:08] <cbx33> right I'm off
[09:08] <howieson27> can nobody help me :(
[09:08] <cbx33> merry christmas all
[09:08] <zomghax> you too
[09:08] <zomghax> thanks a ton
[09:08] <zcat[1] > ..something like that anyhow
[09:08] <cbx33> zomghax, once you get the source from winehq,
[09:08] <cbx33> read the read me
[09:08] <zomghax> k
[09:08] <cbx33> you have to untar, configure and the make dep and then make
[09:09] <cbx33> bye all
[09:09] <max_> zcat[1] : does that get rid of the video so im left with just audio?
[09:09] <nn> this is really cool :)
[09:09] <sushi_> zcat[1]  i didnt backup my shadow file .... was it * or ! ?
[09:09] <colk> ok that sucks
[09:09] <zcat[1] > max_: it'll make a new wav file with just the audio in it...
[09:10] <colk> ubuntu will boot wiithout wireless
[09:10] <colk> but not with
[09:10] <max_> thanks
[09:10] <CaptainMorgan> k- I don't get this... in Windows, firefox displays a particular site fine, IE6 & IE7 both display it the same as firefox... everything looks great, BUT, when I log into a linux machine, running the 'same' version of firefox(because I simply copied over the folder) the same page/site is displayed incorrectly. This has got to be X-server/Linux, is it not?
[09:10] <zcat[1] > sushi_: unknown.. :!: should be fine.
[09:10] <please> I'm bored.
[09:11] <zomghax> me too
[09:11] <zomghax> its christmas soon
[09:11] <please> yep
[09:12] <jengc0i1> who celebrate chrismas?
[09:12] <zomghax> me
[09:12] <jengc0i1> merry zomghax
[09:12] <Boglizk> Anyone know why i'm not able to use ISO-8859-15? It works and everything according to others, myself i only see wierd symbols
[09:12] <zomghax> you too
[09:12] <zcat[1] > !exec -o date
[09:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about exec -o date - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:12] <zcat[1] > Mon Dec 25 21:12:44 NZDT 2006
[09:12] <zcat[1] > christmas here a while ago already :)
[09:13] <zomghax> =D
[09:13] <zomghax> how you do that
[09:13] <zomghax> ?
[09:13] <zomghax> santa
[09:13] <santa-claus> zcat[1] : which area?
[09:13] <zcat[1] > NZdt
[09:13] <santa-claus> do wht zomghax
[09:13] <please> 9317982
[09:13] <zomghax> wht
[09:13] <zomghax> ?
[09:14] <santa-claus> what
[09:14] <santa-claus> lol
[09:14] <zomghax> lol
[09:14] <zomghax> talk like that
[09:14] <zcat[1] > Hamilton, NZ
[09:14] <zomghax> give present
[09:14] <santa-claus> oic
[09:14] <zcat[1] >  /me does things
[09:14] <zomghax> kewl
[09:14] <Manse> what is the keymap code of America?
[09:14] <santa-claus> zomghax: put infront ur house
[09:15] <magic_ninja> whats up all
[09:15] <strabes> Manse: it's "us" isn't it?
[09:15] <magic_ninja> i'm having problems with my ubuntu boot not being able to load my root filesystem
[09:15] <magic_ninja> merry xmas all
[09:15] <strabes> Manse: or "en"
[09:16] <zomghax> yo9u too
[09:16] <VerdRousseau> is it possible to change your from gnome to kde without having to use kubuntu
[09:16] <Manse> KEYMAP="us"?
[09:16] <magic_ninja> VerdRousseau: yea the only real difference is the desktop its packaged with
[09:16] <max_> the_grinch:
[09:16] <max_> Error parsing option on the command line: --dumpaudio
[09:16] <max_> m
[09:16] <Manse> strabes:KEYMAP="us"?
[09:17] <strabes> VerdRousseau: yes - http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde
[09:17] <strabes> Manse: no idea
[09:17] <VerdRousseau> so all the programs are the exact same
[09:17] <the_grinch> max_: mplayer --help or man mplayer .. my memory's not 100% but the options are documented...
[09:17] <strabes> VerdRousseau: no; KDE apps look a lot different. you can use gnome apps in kde and kde apps in gnome but they look bad
[09:18] <ootput> is there a quick way to migrate all data (and achieve a working system) from / into several logical volumes (lvm2) in a raid array?
[09:18] <ootput> also, for those of you who celebrate it: Merry Christmas ;)
[09:18] <VerdRousseau> so if I wanted the KDE apps is it best to uninstall ubuntu and get kubuntu
[09:19] <the_grinch> anyone here still waiting for the big man? only a few timeszones left...
[09:20] <strabes> VerdRousseau: you can have both kde and gnome installed on your computer at the same time. you just log into separate sessions
[09:20] <noodles12> merry xmas everyone
[09:20] <strabes> if you want to remove gnome, see the tutorial on that website entitled pure KDE i believe
[09:20] <zomghax> merry christmas
[09:20] <Flannel> VerdRousseau: just install the other (if you have ubuntu, install 'kubuntu-desktop', and vv)
[09:20] <zomghax> I love you all
[09:21] <zomghax> happy holidays
[09:21] <VerdRousseau> Okay, but with the different apps that come with KDE how would those workout (and what are the main difference in apps)
[09:21] <n1gke> happy holidays zomg
[09:22] <zomghax> you too
[09:22] <Flannel> VerdRousseau: both desktop packages bring with them their own apps
[09:22] <d00d> you 3
[09:22] <n1gke> u 4
[09:22] <magic_ninja> ji'm having probs getting my boot to mount my root file system, i can give more info if anyone's around
[09:23] <VerdRousseau> and what about like when I installed this ipod song program on my Gnome, would that transfer to KDE
[09:24] <Flannel> VerdRousseau: gnome and KDE sit ontop of the filesystem, you'd put it in your home folder, and it'd be avialable to you regardless of what widnow manager you used
[09:25] <VerdRousseau> which desktop do you guys like best
[09:26] <Flannel> VerdRousseau: different people like different WMs for a variety of reasons.  Most likely none of which will be exactly what you think is important.  the best method is just to try them and see which you prefer.
[09:27] <nn> anyone ever play with doing VPN over strange connections?
[09:27] <Naik0> what do i get if i install a GTK+2 Engine?
[09:28] <VerdRousseau> also I have my wireless card setup but how do I see the idicator of my card on the desktop
[09:28] <VerdRousseau> what program would I have to download
[09:28] <magic_ninja> Naik0: its only like 26 megs install it you NEED it
[09:28] <magic_ninja> Naik0: its a runtime lib similar to jde
[09:28] <Naik0> magic_ninja, but if i want a nice theme i can install their GTK+2 Engine
[09:28] <Naik0> right?
[09:29] <Naik0> i think ive installed one but im not sure, how can i check what engine i have?
[09:30] <max_>  does anyone know how to take audio off a .flv file? or just save audio from youtube
[09:33] <Naik0> magic_ninja, how do i see what engine thats installed?
[09:35] <max_>  does anyone know how to take audio off a .flv file? or just save audio from youtube
[09:36] <magic_ninja> darn, so no one knows about not mounting root filesystem
[09:36] <SurfnKid> mount
[09:36] <SurfnKid> !mount
[09:36] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[09:38] <magic_ninja> SurfnKid: no the problem is that linux can't mount my / file system therefore can no longer go on
[09:39] <SurfnKid> what kind is it
[09:39] <magic_ninja> and i can't mount my hda1
[09:40] <hope13> lol erm i'm copying files from my dvd rom to a folder and it's freezing up my linux. Is there a alt+ctrl+del command for linux? >,<
[09:40] <rcrook> ok.... does anyone know much about arson?
[09:40] <magic_ninja> SurfnKid: i am in LIVECD now but i can't mount my /dev/hda1 which is my root filesystem
[09:41] <SurfnKid> oh
[09:41] <SurfnKid> could ya try to while on grub?
[09:42] <konrads> Hello. When updating from a local mirror, i get packages not authenticated. I suspect i'm missing a key.  How do I check which key i'm missing so i could get it from subkeys.pgp.net?
[09:42] <SurfnKid> send a boot comm to /dev/hda1 and crank him up
[09:42] <Pie-rate> how would i change specific icons? for example i hate the emblems in Tango but like a lot of the icons in Human
[09:42] <magic_ninja> SurfnKid: i think there is a prob with that partition
[09:42] <SurfnKid> oh
[09:43] <magic_ninja> SurfnKid: i should be able to edit /boot/grub.lst and fix the prob if i can just get the part mounted
[09:43] <magic_ninja> how do i check the disk for errors?
[09:43] <SurfnKid> fsck
[09:43] <SurfnKid> but ya have to unmount it
[09:43] <SurfnKid> or itll do really nasty stuff i hear
[09:43] <magic_ninja> i can't mount it lol
[09:43] <SurfnKid> right lol
[09:44] <SurfnKid> but still, i suggest keep asking, sure someone here will give ya a hint
[09:44] <SurfnKid> i dunno too much about boot commands
[09:44] <SurfnKid> and ive screwed up a partition once myself
[09:44] <SurfnKid> try to get an email from the forums so you an get a specific answer to what yer trying to do from an expert
[09:46] <kid> hi, i have a newbie question... I just bought a new lcd monitor for my laptop. I plugged it in and it worked, but on th elaptops lcd resolution. to change the resolution for my new LCD monitor, all i need is to add the resolution on my xorg.conf... right?
[09:46] <Pie-rate> whoo mixing the window border and icons from Silicon with the controls from Grey makes an AWESOME theme
[09:46] <magic_ninja> SurfnKid: well in all reality right now i want to is check my /dev/hda1 filesystem for starters
[09:46] <SurfnKid> ah
[09:46] <SurfnKid> maybe the livecd has a check tool since its not mounted
[09:47] <magic_ninja> im on live
[09:47] <max_> qtparted
[09:48] <SurfnKid> max_, yep thats good
[09:48] <magic_ninja> max_: willl qtparted check disks though?
[09:49] <max_> i think
[09:50] <magic_ninja> i really hope i don't have to reinstall OS
[09:50] <magic_ninja> does ubuntu have an installation repair
[09:51] <max_> i dont think so
[09:52] <magic_ninja> well im thinking that my hda1 may not have been the active partition, which would explain because i booted into windows from a different hdd
[09:52] <magic_ninja> so i can do that and try a reboot
[09:52] <SurfnKid> just try diffferent commands to boot to the specified boot folder
[09:53] <SurfnKid> and update the boot partition
[09:53] <Naik0> how do i restart X?
[09:53] <SurfnKid> CTRL ALT BACKSPACE
[09:53] <Naik0> thanks
[09:54] <karakara> is there a bash command to make yer pc speaker beep?
[09:54] <rcrook> is there a program for ubuntu that gives you the same funcrions as cloneCD?
[09:55] <magic_ninja> SurfnKid: i set hda1 as active, lets try it now
[09:56] <SurfnKid> ah good
[09:56] <SurfnKid> try
[09:56] <magic_ninja>  wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1,
[09:56] <magic_ninja> thats what i get when i try to mount hda1
[09:56] <SurfnKid> :/
[09:57] <SurfnKid> magic_ninja, can you mount that drive on another linux box?
[09:57] <SurfnKid> and try to get a copy of the boot command?
[09:57] <magic_ninja> SurfnKid: no idea
[09:58] <magic_ninja> SurfnKid: why wouldn't i be able to mount it though...thats the question, which is why i wanna check the disk for errors
[09:59] <SurfnKid> yeah if its an ext3 it should mount
[09:59] <SurfnKid> look up mount commands or in the forum
[10:04] <karakara> is there a bash command to make yer pc speaker beep?
[10:04] <magic_ninja> iono
[10:05] <the_grinch> karakara: echo -e "\007"
[10:06] <karakara> ty
[10:09] <magic_ninja> Superblock has an invalid ext3 journal (inode 8).
[10:09] <magic_ninja> that would be the primary problem would it not?
[10:10] <ashton> Mer?
[10:10] <ashton> It's Ashton_K, my nick is already used....
[10:11] <ashton> By me, downstairs....
[10:11] <ashton> Dangit, hold on.
[10:13] <luisc> hola feliz navidad
[10:13] <Ashton_K> Too bad racarr isn't here.
[10:13] <Ashton_K> I'm installing Beryl.
[10:13] <luisc> alguien que me pueda recomendar una buena targeta de video?
[10:13] <foglight> what is Beryl?
[10:14] <foglight> another livecd?
[10:14] <Ashton_K> Different window manager.
[10:14] <foglight> you like?
[10:14] <magic_ninja> uh-oh i think i just broke my system
[10:14] <foglight> it good?
[10:14] <magic_ninja> lol
[10:14] <Ashton_K> Well, I'll tell you when I'm done.
[10:15] <Ashton_K> :P
[10:15] <foglight> you buy?
[10:15] <Ashton_K> GPL.
[10:15] <Ashton_K> (Free)
[10:17] <hjmills> merry christmas
[10:17] <maimster> Merry Christmas!
[10:22] <hagabaka> what's the meaning of numbers prefixing file names in /etc/X11/Xsession.d, such as 20x11-common_process-args, 80ubuntu-xmodmap?
[10:22] <magic_ninja> SurfnKid: well guess what good news i can mount /dev/hda1
[10:23] <PORDO> i can't find the vorbis support for gstreamer
[10:23] <GreyGhost> MERRY X"MAS EVERYONE !!!!!+
[10:23] <hope13> same to you
[10:23] <hope13> what's a good program to open rar?
[10:23] <SurfnKid> magic_ninja, you the man
[10:25] <GreyGhost> hope13 , winrar ?
[10:25] <hope13> winrar works for linux?
[10:25] <hope13> lol
[10:25] <hope13> thx
[10:25] <zylche> 7zip through wine!
[10:25] <zylche> I highly recommend.
[10:25] <GreyGhost> hope13 , ahhh u wanted linux... then the Ubutnu archive manager?
[10:26] <zylche> doesn't work for rar, try 7zip ;)
[10:26] <hope13> so i need wine?
[10:26] <hope13> guess i'll try playing with wine
[10:26] <GreyGhost> u can use p7zip for linux ....
[10:26] <magic_ninja> SurfnKid: now i just gotta see if i can boot again
[10:27] <magic_ninja> hope13: btw you have to install unrar for linux
[10:27] <magic_ninja> hope13: its a free download
[10:27] <GreyGhost> !rar
[10:27] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[10:27] <GreyGhost> !unrar-free
[10:27] <ubotu> unrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 80 kB
[10:27] <hope13> lol thx
[10:27] <GreyGhost> hope13 ,get that then
[10:29] <tuxplorer> I installed kde4 from ubuntu repos. But I didn't get an entry in either KDM or GDM.. I want to add an entry to it.. There is not /etc/gdm/Sessions/ directory in ubuntu.. Where do I add the entry then?
[10:30] <tuxplorer> I use ubuntu edgy
[10:31] <GreyGhost> tuxplorer ,didn't appear under session when u login?
[10:31] <tuxplorer> yes. it doesn't appear :(
[10:31] <missing> Hi im trying to patch 2.6.19 with the low latency pre-emp patch-2.6.20-rc1-rt6 but i get Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]   can anyone help me out?
[10:31] <missing> or point me in the right channel?
[10:33] <GreyGhost> tuxplorer , i would try to help u out... but i havent installed extra shells for nix .... so i dont have any experience .... wait till more ppl pop in ...
[10:33] <tuxplorer> GreyGhost: Thanks. :)  Will wait.
[10:34] <missing> tuxplorer: what are u trying to do with shells?
[10:35] <zomghax> yellow
[10:35] <zomghax> hi
[10:35] <bonzai10> hey, i installed xchat-gnom and i can't get user list to be displayed, i have no "view" menu section to do so.... how am i supposed to get my user list displayed ?
[10:35] <zomghax> IIII llllooovvvvveee BANANA!
[10:35] <GreyGhost> missing , i dont know if they're called shells ( i thought they are....) he is tryin to install KDE ...
[10:35] <tuxplorer> missing: shells? I don't do anything.. I just wanted to add my KDE entry to GDm
[10:36] <missing> bonzai: the user list is actually hidden where it says 790 users, click there and the list will pop up
[10:36] <macd> bonzai10, I trashed the xchat-gnome in favor of xchat2 + xchat dydtray plugin.
[10:36] <tuxplorer> GreyGhost: I've installed KDE already..
[10:36] <tuxplorer> just the entry is missing
[10:36] <bonzai10> oh thanx macd
[10:36] <missing> ohh okay so gdm wont let u change session?
[10:36] <GreyGhost> tuxplorer ,yeah i know.... but i suppose without the entry the install isnt practically complete ;)
[10:36] <tuxplorer> missing: yes
[10:36] <tuxplorer> GreyGhost: lol
[10:37] <tuxplorer> ya. kinda
[10:37] <missing> tuxxplorer: luckily ive gone throug this in BSD let me see if i can remember where it is in the BSD handbook
[10:37] <missing> Hi im trying to patch kernel 2.6.19 with the low latency pre-emp patch-2.6.20-rc1-rt6 but i get Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]   can anyone help me out?
[10:37] <brady> how much space (approx) will apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop use?
[10:37] <magic_ninja> ok in my grub config i got this - (hd0,0) for root
[10:38] <magic_ninja> what is the proper context to make it hda1
[10:38] <tuxplorer> missing: from what I see from most forums, we need to add a script containing a exec start_kdeinit to /etc/gdm/Sessions/ dir.. but that dir is not there :(
[10:39] <bonzai10> is it possible to install drivers for radeon mobility m6 series, i know ati doesn't support them anymore and i tried using automatix but if anyone has a clue or knows a link to a guide...
[10:39] <missing> well in bsd from what i remember u run a command and thats it, sincer theres no need to reinstall bsd so i cant remember too well ive only done it once
[10:40] <willskills> Merry Christmas folks :)
[10:40] <zylche> *Mithramas
[10:40] <tuxplorer> missing: oh ok. If you get to remember the command tell me. so that I can search for the equivalent of it
[10:40] <magic_ninja> how can i update my root dir in grub from (hd0,0) to hda (i don't know the context to use)
[10:40] <magic_ninja> if someone could paste me their root line in grub i would be forever greatful
[10:41] <magic_ninja> should it be (hda,1) or what?
[10:41] <missing> well its all gdm and X and KDE
[10:41] <missing> +
[10:42] <bonzai10> root		(hd0,0) if its primary and first part
[10:42] <magic_ninja> so /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash
[10:43] <bonzai10> not ro
[10:43] <bonzai10> ro is for read only i suppose
[10:43] <hope13> um is this the code to install unrar-free (on edgy): "sudo apt-get install unrar-free" ?
[10:43] <bonzai10> no im wrong
[10:44] <GreyGhost> hope13 ,should be...
[10:44] <bonzai10> hope13 use automatix2
[10:44] <hope13> oh
[10:45] <GreyGhost> !rar
[10:45] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[10:45] <missing> tuxplorer: hey try this link see if it solves your problems
[10:45] <missing> tuxplorer: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11-wm.html
[10:45] <tuxplorer> Thanks missing.. will see that
[10:45] <GreyGhost> hope13 ,if that doesn't work ...try just unrar ....
[10:46] <missing> Hi im trying to patch kernel 2.6.19 with the low latency pre-emp patch-2.6.20-rc1-rt6 but i get Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]   can anyone help me out?
[10:46] <bonzai10> automatix2 installs all popular windows archivers.... it'd do all things fast
[10:46] <magic_ninja> bonzai10: hey i need to make my root not mount ro right?
[10:46] <FirstStrike> automatix..
[10:47] <ademan> is there anything similar to fruity loops for linux
[10:47] <ademan> ?
[10:47] <bonzai10> no magic, i mislead myself... my kernel line looks like that /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash locale=pl_PL
[10:48] <missing> tuxplorer: i fouhnd a ubuntu especific link with will sonlve your problem for sure http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2920
[10:48] <magic_ninja> bonzai10: so leave that line alone?
[10:49] <tuxplorer> missing: Ah! Thanks a lot.. I didn't find this forum post when I searched the same forum :)
[10:49] <bonzai10> what error do you have ? and what do you want to do, i joined in the middle and im out of mind
[10:50] <missing> no problem
[10:50] <hexdream> ck getting a Canon Pixma ip5200 printer running correctly (or mostly) under Edgy Eft?
[10:50] <missing> well im off to some other channel to see if i can get help myself
[10:50] <tuxplorer> missing: This solution must work precisely.. will try it now.. logging off..
[10:50] <noodles12> ok this is really dumb but.... my taskbar at the top of my page randomly got moved to teh side. and it is full so i cannot right click on the actual panel and select it to be at the top again. is there another way to do it? =*(
[10:50] <tuxplorer> missing: what is your problem?
[10:50] <missing> ciao
[10:50] <magic_ninja> alright wish me luck guys
[10:50] <missing> Hi im trying to patch kernel 2.6.19 with the low latency pre-emp patch-2.6.20-rc1-rt6 but i get Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]   can anyone help me out?
[10:50] <magic_ninja> i'm gonna try this again
[10:51] <missing> any ideas?
[10:51] <tuxplorer> missing: Ah! sorry.. I don't know about kernel compilation.. sorry.. may be try at #linux or #linux-india as well :)
[10:52] <noodles12> can anyone help on my simple dumb problem? >.<
[10:52] <arcade> Hmpfh, too long since I've tried to use microphones&linux .. what's the /dev/-name that refers to the mic? :)
[10:52] <missing> will try
[10:52] <missing> thanks
[10:52] <hope13> this is going to be retarded but i wiki it, googled it, and linuxquestion it and... how do you install stuff on linux? like... unrar? T_T
[10:52] <arcade> dsp .. maybe :P
[10:53] <lafielle> hope13: using a package manager
[10:53] <lafielle> usually
[10:53] <hope13> is it that install/uninstall stuff?
[10:53] <fdoving> !software | hope13
[10:53] <ubotu> hope13: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents and !Offline
[10:53] <hope13> oh thx
[10:53] <noodles12> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=323878&highlight=.rar
[10:53] <hope13> ooo thx
[10:53] <hope13> lol
[10:54] <hope13> i need to unrar this book on teaching me how to use ubuntu LOL
[10:55] <lafielle> Anybody aware of a program that will allow me to monitor network traffic and check which connections are coming in, being blocked etc.?
[10:55] <magic_ninja> well guess what guys
[10:55] <magic_ninja> i got my computer to boot
[10:55] <magic_ninja> ipkungfu
[10:55] <Aat56> hope this is the right place to ask right besides the forums but: i'm having some "major" weirdness going on with ubuntu.. some programs go randomly to uninterruptible state when they try to access 2nd disk (i have two, both are sata)
[10:55] <magic_ninja> !ipkungfu
[10:55] <ubotu> ipkungfu: iptables-based Linux firewall. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.2-7 (edgy), package size 33 kB, installed size 212 kB
[10:55] <lafielle> magic_ninja: thanks, will have a look!
[10:55] <lafielle> magic_ninja: is it GUI based?
[10:56] <magic_ninja> ok now i've been working all day just to play et
[10:56] <magic_ninja> lafielle: no but they may (and probably are many) rich frontends for the command line
[10:56] <Aat56> when i tried to find some solution from the web, somebody asked the person in need for help to press ctrl+scroll lock and paste the output from (dmesg?) and here it goes: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38750/
[10:57] <Aat56> those are the processes as far as i know, who are in that state and before those, dmesg showed these error messages and now repeats them with increasing sector count: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38749/
[11:01] <ademan> so yeah, is there any music editor/mixer or whatever similar to fruity loops available on linux?
[11:04] <Ypsy_> Hello world!
[11:04] <hope13> foo bar!
[11:05] <Ypsy_> ^^
[11:05] <hope13> um does edgy have a multi universe repositories?
[11:05] <hope13> or can i use drapper? hehe
[11:05] <un_operateur> !repositories
[11:05] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[11:06] <FirstStrike> !multiverse | hope13
[11:06] <ubotu> hope13: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[11:06] <FirstStrike> Hmm
[11:06] <FirstStrike> I thought it was different
[11:06] <hope13> i read that lol
[11:06] <hope13> since i'm using edgy
[11:06] <Ypsy_> I have a little problem here. Perhaps someone here can help me^^ Im using Feisty herd1 Live/install CD atm and when I klick next after choosing the keyboard layout the screen freezes.
[11:07] <hope13> can i use multiverse of like dapper?
[11:07] <hope13> there is one for breezy too
[11:07] <FirstStrike> no, you can't use dapper's multiverse
[11:07] <hope13> so i'm edgy
[11:07] <FirstStrike> i don't know if edgy has one yet
[11:07] <hope13> and edgy doesn't have one?
[11:07] <ariccs> Merry Christmas everybody
[11:07] <un_operateur> hope13, you can -- but it goes against the point of using edgy :)
[11:07] <FirstStrike> felice navidad
[11:07] <hope13> oh
[11:08] <un_operateur> hope13, just use the edgy repo's -- if you want i can give them all to you?
[11:08] <Aat56> and to add: tried to write a dvd with gnomebuster but the drive stuck to spinning the damn disc for as long as i rebooted, didn't make any progress with the burning in an hour (and processes cdrecord.mmap, two of them, were "uninterruptible")
[11:08] <hope13> um i'm a newbie and i just want to install unrar free? LOL
[11:08] <FirstStrike> just compile it
[11:08] <un_operateur> hope13,  at your terminal -- type in -- sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:09] <hope13> i did that
[11:09] <un_operateur> hope13, and then replace the contents with this -- http://pastebin.ca/291534
[11:09] <FirstStrike> i don't see why everybody's afraid of compiling :>
[11:09] <hope13> so you're telling me to erase the whole contents with that one url?
[11:10] <un_operateur> hope13, no -- open that url with your browser -- you'll see new contents :p
[11:10] <hope13> how come i feel like i'm going to mess up the linux if i do this
[11:10] <hope13> oh
[11:10] <FirstStrike> haha
[11:11] <hope13> oh sweet there is a multiuniverse for edgy
[11:11] <hope13> thx again
[11:11] <un_operateur> hope13, copy and paste them into your sources.list -- save the file and run this command -- sudo aptitude update
[11:11] <naelphin> Is DRI needed for 2d accleration?
[11:11] <naelphin> or is it only for 3d
[11:12] <un_operateur> hope13, once thats is done -- you should be able to -- sudo aptitude install rar unrar  :)
[11:13] <hope13> really?! thx lol
[11:13] <bayle> merry christmas :)
[11:13] <un_operateur> hope13, yea really, yw lol :p
[11:13] <hope13> i spent 2 hrs wiki and google'n lol
[11:13] <un_operateur> Bon Noel a tous
[11:14] <bayle> from france?
[11:14] <emun> hi everybody , need some help , has anyone installed successfully mythtv on ubuntu , and merry christmas
[11:14] <bayle> anyway, merry christmas and buon natale
[11:14] <un_operateur> bayle, no, i'm not from france, just think i am :)
[11:15] <un_operateur> !mythtv | emun, have you checked this out -->>
[11:15] <ubotu> emun, have you checked this out -->: MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[11:15] <POVaddct> frohe weihnachten
[11:15] <POVaddct> just to extend the list of languages
[11:16] <foosh> Muslims do not like Ubuntu
[11:16] <moosa> hello i am a semi-newbie ubuntu user and i need to know how to open .tar files (i have no idea how to open them just coming from windows xp)
[11:16] <un_operateur> "have an ubuntu christmas!!" :)
[11:16] <hope13> doesn't archive whatever do it for you?
[11:16] <POVaddct> moosa: tar xf file.tar  or  tar xzf file.tar.gz  or  tar xjf file.tar.bz2
[11:16] <un_operateur> moosa, you ought to be able to double click on them
[11:17] <moosa> hmmm
[11:17] <un_operateur> i think with gnu tar -- tar xf suffices for all
[11:18] <moosa> if i double click i view whats in the file
[11:18] <moosa> right?
[11:18] <hope13> try it >,>
[11:18] <moosa> it does
[11:18] <un_operateur> moosa, I think it opens up in a file extraction utility like winzip on window -- you can select a file and extract it to a location of your choice
[11:18] <emun> I will check that out however is anybody with some experiience with mythtv out there.  and foosh do they understand ubuntu
[11:19] <hope13> sweet drag and drop lol
[11:20] <Neko_Asak> Hello.  I'm new at this whole Linux thing and need a little help getting Ubuntu's installer running.  I've spent hours looking over the wiki and docs and can't find any answers.  Hopefully you guys (and gals) can help?
[11:20] <moosa> well i am installing a application i really dont want to see whats IN it
[11:20] <un_operateur> moosa, what application is it?
[11:20] <un_operateur> Neko_Asak, what seems to be failing?
[11:20] <Neko_Asak> My DVD drive is listed a "non-standard drive."
  Muslims orhomeless people?
[11:21] <moosa> when i install it ill know
[11:21] <hope13> oh
[11:21] <Neko_Asak> I'm unable to find the correct drivers for it.
[11:21] <moosa> well ubuntu package dosnt have it
[11:22] <un_operateur> foosh, please keep the channel family friendly.. it's christmas after all
[11:22] <moosa> nor does it have SDL dev package :(
[11:22] <hope13> omg you're so sexy un_operateur. I got rar to work
[11:22] <foosh> ok
[11:22] <un_operateur> hope13, :)
[11:22] <foosh> sorry
[11:22] <emun> foosh , what is this preoccupation with muslims, it is christmas anyway
[11:22] <alexis_> Why are all games, also 2D games like Xmoto crashing on my computer? I know my graphics card doesn't support 3D very well, but still when running windows I can play some games.   I'm running 6.10 DVD and 6.10 Desktop
[11:24] <emun> well there you go,
[11:24] <POVaddct> moosa: of course ubuntu has sdl dev package. you probably haven't enabled all repositories.
[11:24] <moosa> i did
[11:25] <Neko_Asak> This isn't unique to Ubuntu either.  GPartEd has the same error.  >.<  Help?
[11:25] <foosh> I have a few lebonese friends
[11:25] <foosh> They make good food
[11:25] <un_operateur> Neko_Asak, does ubuntu not boot up when you use the CD-Rom??
[11:25] <POVaddct> moosa: sure you enabled universe and multiverse?
[11:26] <moosa> yep
[11:26] <POVaddct> moosa: and did apt-get update after that?
[11:26] <foosh> Why are we talking repositories in the muslim channel?
[11:27] <Neko_Asak> Nope.  It'll load for about 30-40 seconds, the bar is on screen; but then it just hangs.  The CD and DVD both work fine, I was running the LiveCD versions on may laptop earlier today testing the discs and making the USB bootable.
[11:27] <moosa> i didnt install it on MY compilers (how do you compile apps in linux i dont see a run button >.<)
[11:27] <Neko_Asak> My desktop is a homebuilt, in case that matters.
[11:28] <foosh> Santa brought me three packs of non-skidmarked underpants!yayaa!
[11:28] <emun> excuse me i  did not know this was the muslim channel and foosh watch the bootle
[11:29] <foosh> watch the what?
[11:29] <POVaddct> moosa: for compiling you need at least the build-essential package
[11:29] <emun> the bottle, correction
[11:29] <foosh> Alcohol?
[11:29] <un_operateur> moosa, and libsdl/libsdl-dev if you are compiling something to do with sdl
[11:30] <emun> whatever is in that bottle
[11:30] <moosa> game dev on windows was a little simpler and more options
[11:30] <foosh> I dont drink
[11:30] <moosa> but i wasnt going to use directX anyway
[11:30] <foosh> Its bad for you
[11:31] <foosh> Its bad for you | less
[11:31] <hope13> i think i found a glitch or maybe it's beryl
[11:31] <Neko_Asak> I have a Sony DVD Dual format drive, if that helps narrow it down.
[11:31] <moosa> my windows XP system was badly damaged tho and i allways wanted to try ubuntu
[11:31] <foosh> Its bad for you | more
[11:31] <hope13> Sony = bad
[11:31] <knj> Is it possible to start a program like X-chat minimized? Or minimize it by knowing its pid?
[11:31] <hope13> lol
[11:32] <emun> good for you just wondered for a moment, are you muslim , foosh
[11:32] <Slart> Hello, why does my gnome menues and such stop working while I'm moving files between my hard drives?
[11:32] <foosh> I am a Scientologist
[11:32] <hope13> LOL
[11:32] <Neko_Asak> Sony Company = bad or Sony DVD = bad?
[11:32] <hope13> i think they're really proprietary
[11:32] <wkerzend> asus p5b with raid 5 on ich8r. dmraid doesnt recognize that, should I install new kernel (2.6.19) or should I change the Bios settings
[11:32] <emun> wow,
[11:33] <wkerzend> btw i run edgy
[11:33] <moosa> isnt there any thing like remote help on ubuntu that whould help me alot
[11:33] <hope13> me too!
[11:33] <hope13> lol
[11:33] <Lynoure> Lots of offtopic things here today...
[11:33] <Neko_Asak> No kidding, makes getting help rather frustrating.
[11:33] <foosh> edgy is too unstable. It does wierd stuff
[11:33] <hope13> um anyway i set alt+ctrl+x to launch terminal
[11:33] <Lynoure> moosa: there is VNC, but you'd want to be careful of who "helps" you
[11:33] <hope13> it doesn't work ne more
[11:33] <emun> you right about that
[11:34] <hope13> is it beryl?
[11:34] <hope13> evil beryl >,>
[11:34] <mc__> hello,im on amd64(Athlon X2) my system freezes about every 5 second for one sec
[11:34] <wkerzend> is there a ubuntu dmraid channel or raid channel specifically for raid problems? thanks
[11:34] <emun> anyway need some one with some experience with mythtv on ubuntu
[11:34] <moosa> i have much proplems today i really need to install some applications
[11:35] <wkerzend> emun: I had mythtv running on my system, whats the question?
[11:35] <moosa> dev librarys etc
[11:35] <POVaddct> Lynoure: i'd rather use ssh and a shared screen session than vnc.
[11:36] <Neko_Asak> does any one else here have a Sony DVD-RW drive?  Perhaps it's just something I missed?
[11:36] <hope13> neko: it doesn't work for this guy:http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=507752
[11:36] <Lynoure> POVaddct: I think anyone asking for a remote help function would need help doing that...
[11:37] <emun> wkerend :great how did you go about downloading it and installing it, frontend  and bankend etc, so confusing.
[11:37] <POVaddct> Lynoure: i already helped people that way
[11:37] <Lynoure> POVaddct: Good for you, and them.
[11:37] <hope13> gasp make an faq for mythtv wkerend lol
[11:37] <moosa> well if i get at least a tip about a compiler thats easy to use that whould be helpfull
[11:37] <mc__> moosa: gcc
[11:38] <Lynoure> POVaddct: keep on doing it. :) I actually even refuse to help people over Vnc if they should not have a reason to trust me. :)
[11:38] <mc__> hello,im on amd64(Athlon X2) my system freezes about every 5 second for one sec,does anyone have  idea how to solve this problem?
[11:38] <christopher_l> does any know how to remove Ruby 1.8.5, if you built it from source?
[11:39] <Neko_Asak> Stupid question, but are you using the version for Athlon 64-bit chips?
[11:40] <hope13> um i'm using beryl and one of the short cut uses the next key and the super key is there such a key?
[11:40] <POVaddct> Lynoure: dsl in germany has typically 1mbit downstream and 128kbit upstream. i called that narrow band.
[11:41] <Lynoure> POVaddct: Much much faster in Finland :)
[11:41] <Lynoure> POVaddct: Did you notice I mostly agreed with you? :)
[11:41] <emun> hello wkerzend, are you still there, maybe you can give me a short list of what to do and what not todo with this mythtv stuff
[11:41] <POVaddct> Lynoure: :)
[11:41] <moosa> when i thot about using linux for game dev i did think of limitations but not as much as this
[11:42] <moosa> if only my dev-c++ compiler was here
[11:42] <Neko_Asak> mc____  http://ubuntu.cs.utah.edu/releases/edgy/  Check out the 64-bit PC install.  that may help.  Assuming you didn't already, that is.
[11:43] <hope13> use g++
[11:43] <hope13> note to self alt+ctrl+backspace is what i think it is
[11:44] <emun> mythtv help anybody
[11:44] <POVaddct> moosa: there is only one compiler in linux and that is gcc/g++. the compiler itself is always command line only and the typical form of source code distribution is to be compiled with command line tools like make.
[11:44] <POVaddct> moosa: there are graphical front ends for editing source and compiling them, but i doubt you can use that for any tar.gz source archive.
[11:47] <emun> in fact I am also interested in what you do after you get the tar.gz archive seating on your desktop
[11:47] <moosa> i try opening it
[11:47] <POVaddct> emun: first you should ask if you have to install the software from a tar at all. in most cases there is a ubuntu package for it.
[11:50] <Neko_Asak> Okay, I ask again.  I need help installing Ubuntu.  My Sony DVD-RW is a "non-standard drive" and I am unable to mount it, therefore unable to complete the install.  Does anyone have any suggestions?
[11:51] <emun> good, what is happening is this some of newbie see some application we like and want to install it so we download it and think we can just double click it and install , but I  am learning that maye I need to check for packages first is that correct
[11:52] <emun> excuse my typing
[11:52] <noona> can someone help me choosing one between these laptops: http://www.castlecops.com/t175286-help_choosing_my_lapptop.html
[11:53] <hope13> try  cd rom with different branding other than sony lol
[11:53] <POVaddct> emun: yes. downloading a installer and doubleclicking it is the windows way. in most linux distributions, you install software from a repository built for this particular distribution.
[11:53] <moosa> i guess its only you and me command line
[11:53] <emun> by the way what is tar and what is rpm
[11:54] <Neko_Asak> Apparently so.  Right.  Well, off I go then.
[11:54] <moosa> red hat package
[11:54] <moosa> rpm
[11:54] <POVaddct> emun: tar is the traditional unix archiver program. not distro specific.
[11:55] <Stormx2> emun: Yeah. Its not like windows. You can of course download stuff from the internet, but unless you need something which isn't in any repos / a custom build its best to check the repos.
[11:55] <POVaddct> emun: rpm is the redhat package manager format. ubuntu does not use rpm. ubuntu packages are in .deb format, that is debian package.
[11:55] <elles> selam
[11:55] <emun> appreciate the explanation, now I am slowly understanding this stuff
[11:55] <elles> hi
[11:56] <oxygen> :))
[11:56] <oxygen> elles, : are you turk ?
[11:56] <hope13> isn't it salom
[11:56] <elles> :) of course
[11:56] <elles> :P
[11:56] <oxygen> hehe
[11:56] <elles> u?
[11:56] <oxygen> yes me to
[11:56] <oxygen> :)
[11:57] <oxygen> ubuntumu kurcan
[11:57] <elles> ee bura sagirodan0131n sohbet kanal0131 deilmi
[11:57] <POVaddct> emun: the advantage of package management is that it keeps track of dependencies. if package A needs package B to run, installing package A will also install package B.
[11:57] <Stormx2> Happy Christmas everyone! Does anyone have any suggestions for an HTTP POST Brute Forcer / Dictionary Attacker?
[11:57] <oxygen> sohbet kanalm
[11:57] <oxygen> :)))
[11:57] <elles> hicbisey kurmak gibi niyetim yokta
[11:57] <elles> siyasi tart0131sma platformu sanm0131st0131m
[11:57] <oxygen> o ne haci anlamadim
[11:57] <oxygen> ben
[11:57] <elles> hac0131 m0131:)
[11:57] <POVaddct> english please
[11:58] <emun> now how do you check a repository for something you saw on the internet and want to install
[11:58] <lafielle> anyone know how to get azureus to minimise to the tray?
[11:58] <Stormx2> Go to your own rooms... heh
[11:58] <Stormx2> emun: Synaptic?
[11:58] <oxygen> ajanmsn sen
[11:58] <oxygen> :)
[11:58] <hope13> lafie: no
[11:58] <moosa> ahh i missed wolf.E.T
[11:58] <unfun> How do you remove stuff you have installed in wine?
[11:58] <moosa> and most of Id games
[11:58] <lafielle> hope13: :(
[11:58] <hope13> um should i dl a anti virus program for my ubuntu? Or is that an oxymoron?
[11:58] <POVaddct> emun: on the command line (i mostly use that one instead of graphical tools) you would type: apt-cache search name
[11:59] <Stormx2> unfun: There should be an uninstaller .exe in the directory
[11:59] <elles> ee 0131m a little speak english
[11:59] <Stormx2> hope13: No you don't.
[11:59] <ebe-1> Hi guys. Got a prob. Installed my wireless usb network adaptor using ndiswrapper...it works, but only for about a minute. Then it just ceases to work, and I don't understand why.
[11:59] <unfun> okedoke
[11:59] <elles> 0131m learning
[11:59] <Stormx2> hope13: Not unless you plan on serving some huge internet sites
[11:59] <POVaddct> emun: for example apt-cache search screen
[11:59] <hope13> actually i was planning to get good at linux and then do LAMP
[11:59] <lafielle> or does anybody prefer a different (as well featured but less resource hungry) torrent client?
[11:59] <hope13> mu torrent
[12:00] <hope13> unfortunately it's only for window i think
[12:00] <oxygen> elles, : klavyen bozuk gibi :)
[12:00] <lafielle> er, yes..
[12:00] <lafielle> I need one for ubuntu.
[12:00] <hope13> doesn't ubuntu come with a default one?
[12:00] <emun> is that apt-cache search  then the name of what you are seaching for
[12:00] <moosa> is there a doc about installing .tar files in the wiki
[12:01] <elles> yok diilde
[12:01] <brady> what DM is used if I install kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop?
[12:01] <elles> ubuntu ne demek onu bulmaya cal0131s0131om
[12:01] <lafielle> brady: You usually get a choice on your login screen IIRC.
[12:02] <POVaddct> brady: good question. kdm or gdm :)
[12:02] <elles> kdm ?
[12:02] <elles> gdm?
[12:02] <brady> merhaba, elles
[12:02] <elles> mrb
[12:02] <moosa> if thats arabic its wrong
[12:02] <moosa> :P
[12:03] <brady> turkish
[12:03] <lafielle> merhaba, nessusin :P
[12:03] <lafielle> is about all I remember
[12:03] <brady> nasilsin, but the i's should be without dot
[12:03] <lafielle> and "chockien" or something similar
[12:03] <lafielle> brady: yeah, dodgy on the spelling :P
[12:04] <elles> iim sen
[12:04] <elles> :)
[12:04] <lafielle> bbl
[12:05] <obstfliege> moin moin!
[12:05] <moosa> its sad my whole school wanted to use edubuntu but found that there computers RAM cant handle it
[12:06] <hope13> wolw that's a sad schoo
[12:06] <POVaddct> moin obstfliege
[12:06] <moosa> it runs windows XP just fine tho
[12:06] <hope13> does linux comes with a default firewall?
[12:06] <elles> ooooooooffffffffffffff
[12:06] <brady> if i apt-get install kubuntu-desktop xubuntu-desktop ubuntu-desktop, will whatever DM i end up with give me the choice of session in the way i expect?
[12:06] <POVaddct> hope13: it comes with a tool to set up firewall rules (iptables)
[12:07] <hope13> i don't believe that moosa lol
[12:07] <hope13> oh
[12:07] <moosa> its true and sad :(
[12:07] <POVaddct> hope13: its true, win XP can boot with 64mb ram
[12:08] <brady> gule gule. I will never understand the desire to omit letters in typed-turkish.
[12:08] <moosa> my schools computer teacher was looking forword for using edubuntu
[12:08] <POVaddct> hope13: iptables is command line only, but there are many frontends (like firestarter) to make it easier
[12:09] <ubuntu>
[12:09] <willskills> I am having issues with TC:E sound; Alsa works fine (WoW runs with sound - aoss wine wow.exe) (xmms etc all run fine in desktop) - TC:E sound starts, but it just sounds like farts, at like 1sec intervals, is this a buffer issue?
[12:09] <hope13> firestarter?
[12:09] <hope13> mm
[12:09] <hope13> thx again
[12:09] <moosa> if only edubuntu haves less RAM req
[12:10] <POVaddct> hope13: you can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install firestarter. however i prefer setting up the rules with iptables itself, in a shell script.
[12:10] <emun> why is it so difficult to get a printer to work with ubuntu, but then turboprint can make printers work at a price, ie not free
[12:11] <hope13> mmmmm shell script...? like perl?
[12:11] <POVaddct> moosa: how much RAM is built in?
[12:11] <POVaddct> hope13: shell, not perl
[12:11] <malv> emun, its not if your printer is supported
[12:11] <moosa> 126
[12:11] <malv> even easier than windows I would say
[12:11] <moosa> mp
[12:11] <antman_> lol i wish i knew how to get a web cam to work in ubuntu
[12:11] <POVaddct> moosa: you mean 128mb?
[12:11] <moosa> yes
[12:11] <ubuntu> Hello i AM ubuntu
[12:11] <malv> my sweet ubuntu desktop: http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8830/screenshotma6.png
[12:12] <malv> that old linux background goes surprisingly well with ubuntus icons
[12:12] <POVaddct> moosa: the xubuntu live cd can run with 128mb
[12:12] <des1> hi all
[12:12] <POVaddct> moosa: at least xubuntu 6.06 does
[12:12] <ubuntu> Its so ... standard^^
[12:12] <moosa> can kids work on it....i dont think so
[12:12] <malv> I think my desktop should be the Ubuntu default =)
[12:13] <emun> malv, I have two canon printers working fine on winxp but can not get then to work in ubuntu, this is frustrating, do I need to buy another printer just for linux now
[12:13] <hope13> is linux openoffice written in java ?
[12:13] <apokryphos> malv: you deleted gnome and put on kde?
[12:13] <malv> emun, what model?
[12:13] <POVaddct> hope13: no, in C/C++
[12:13] <malv> apokryphos, kde is ugly
[12:13] <hope13> oh no wonder it's fast
[12:13] <ubuntu> jup
[12:13] <apokryphos> malv: perhaps. Or beautiful.
[12:14] <hope13> i tried to dl java 1.4 and it crashed >,>
[12:14] <emun> canon i470d and pixma mp150
[12:14] <hope13> povaddct: do you know how do uninstall it?
[12:14] <apokryphos> hope13: right. Use koffice ;-)
[12:14] <malv> emun, there is a repository with canon printer drivers
[12:14] <POVaddct> hope13: uninstall what?
[12:14] <moosa> i guess windows well be the prime OS in schools for generations to come
[12:14] <hope13> poveaddct: 1.4 java
[12:14] <apokryphos> it already isn't in many
[12:14] <brady> eh, in the end X servers only to multiplex my terminals and service a web browser.
[12:14] <malv> emun, http://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/
[12:15] <malv> emun, I don't know if your model is supported though
[12:15] <POVaddct> hope13: did you install with the package manager?
[12:15] <hope13> i installed the java 1.4 plugin in firefox and it failed
[12:15] <malv> turboprint may be the only way apart from writing the driver yourself =(
[12:15] <apokryphos> 1.4 is oldd
[12:16] <malv> I don't like the idea of paying $30 for a printer driver myself
[12:16] <hope13> it was the only one in the add/remove that had the "plugin" for firefox
[12:16] <malv> seems, kinda, against the whole open source philosophy
[12:16] <hope13> you torrent it lol
[12:16] <sam> hello
[12:16] <hope13> and get the driver for free
[12:16] <sam> how are you al girls
[12:16] <malv> piracy isn't part of the OSS philosophy
[12:16] <brady> malv the os philosophy is not free as in beer.
[12:16] <hope13> oh
[12:17] <malv> brady, turboprint isn't open either
[12:17] <hope13> but how are they going to make money? lol
[12:17] <malv> support
[12:17] <oxygen> what s default root password this ubuntu ?
[12:17] <hope13> i was hoping to be a linux software programmer one day or something like that
[12:17] <malv> you write the software for free and keep it open, then charge for support
[12:18] <POVaddct> !rootsudo | oxygen
[12:18] <ubotu> oxygen: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[12:18] <brady> it is tough to complain about OS philosophy when one doesn't consider printer support before buying.
[12:18] <malv> if you buy linux compatible hardware, linux is very easy to set up =)
[12:18] <malv> almost all the problems with linux are driver issues
[12:18] <POVaddct> oxygen: the root account is disabled by default in ubuntu. use sudo to run something as root.
[12:19] <hope13> if it doesn't work you go out and club some penguins
[12:19] <hope13> jk
[12:19] <antman_> lol
[12:19] <oxygen> i cant login
[12:19] <malv> just buy Nvidia... they support linux well
[12:19] <oxygen> sudo root
[12:19] <oxygen> password: rootsudo
[12:19] <oxygen> but icant login
[12:19] <moosa> i just love my nvidia card
[12:19] <malv> sudo -s
[12:19] <hope13> >> you sure? they kept their stuff in binaries
[12:20] <hope13> i think intel integrated graphic is open
[12:20] <emun> I will look in there so far though no luck with it , I wish I knew how to write the drivers myself
[12:20] <POVaddct> oxygen: you misunderstood how to use sudo
[12:20] <malv> anyone having problems with jmicron?
[12:20] <POVaddct> oxygen: sudo command   (then sudo asks for your user password)
[12:20] <malv> how well does Intel support linux?
[12:20] <matthias> hi, how can i set the slpash screen after grub-menu to ubuntu-style? after installing kde it has now kubuntu-theme, but i prefer the ubuntu-logo ^^
[12:20] <des1> can i boot from ubuntu if i dont have other opereative system ?
[12:21] <hope13> they love linux?
[12:21] <finn_> how can I make my system automatically pair with the bluetooth keyboard?
[12:21] <finn_> I always need another keyboard to run "hidd --search"
[12:21] <hope13> well i know their graphic stuffs are open source
[12:21] <malv> I've seen a lot of complaints with people with core 2 duo boards
[12:21] <hc> hey
[12:21] <hc> i need some help with xorg.conf
[12:21] <POVaddct> malv: partly very well, like they provide open source drivers for their ethernet, wireless and gfx cards
[12:21] <malv> most of which has to do with the jmicron sata controller
[12:21] <hope13> and linux for dummies named intel as a linux loving company
[12:21] <malv> POVaddct, well that's good
[12:21] <oxygen> ok i can foud
[12:21] <spikeb> happy holidays :)
[12:22] <POVaddct> malv: dont know about core 2 duo boards though
[12:22] <oxygen> desktop hide icons ..
[12:22] <oxygen> how can i show it ?
[12:22] <oxygen> i cant see icons in ubuntu desktop
[12:22] <malv> Canon doesn't even recognize the existence of Linux
[12:22] <matthias> oh, i know it now
[12:22] <malv> it's sad because Canon makes some very good hardware
[12:22] <hope13> because there are none when you just install it
[12:22] <hope13> you see the two panels no?
[12:23] <brady> malv, maybe you can set up the printer on a windows box and print to it over network.
[12:23] <Lynoure> malv: it's only good if it works. But if you like their products, you could nag at them, if you havent already
[12:23] <hope13> if you put a cd in your cd rom a icon appears i think
[12:23] <emun> I wonder you can get drivers for almost any device in linux but when it comes to printers there is a problem
[12:23] <malv> Lynoure, luckily they support my hardware in Japan
[12:24] <moosa> ill just go and play a tux game
[12:25] <POVaddct> emun: wifi cards can also be a problem. thanks to the ignorance of some hardware manufacturers...
[12:26] <hope13> how come i can't remove stuff in the add/remove application?
[12:26] <spikeb> some?
[12:26] <spikeb> how bout ALL :P
[12:26] <willskills> hope13, some can't be removed, it's required for gnome
[12:26] <willskills> try KDE if you find gnome a bit bulky :)
[12:27] <hope13> i just installed the java 1.4 plugin for firefox
[12:27] <hope13> i just want it out
[12:27] <Naik0> How can i see witch GTK+2 Engine iam using right now?
[12:27] <hope13> lol
[12:27] <hope13> system menu
[12:27] <emun> well what happens is some of us migrate from winxp to linux with all our hardware. maybe in the future we can take the limitations in linux before buyting new hardware
[12:27] <hope13> then about gnome i think
[12:27] <Astaroth_> how can i set esd to alsa?
[12:28] <gripir_> hello :) ... is it possible to update from dapper to edgy with apt?
[12:28] <POVaddct> hope13: that should be removable. but i dont use this graphical stuff install/deinstall.
[12:28] <gripir_> btw merry xmas ;)
[12:28] <emun> povaddct thanks for all the info much appreciated
[12:28] <POVaddct> hope13: i like using apt-get on the command line
[12:28] <hope13> oh
[12:28] <Naik0> hope13, can i see that in term?
[12:28] <hope13> is the an apt-getthehellout ?
[12:28] <spikeb> gripir_, merry xmas, and yes - let me grab the instructions for you
[12:29] <gripir_> spikeb: ok thx
[12:29] <hope13> or apt-removeforever lol
[12:29] <malv> apt-get remove --purge
[12:29] <zomghax> i
[12:29] <zomghax> hi
[12:29] <hope13> i don't trust malv command
[12:29] <spikeb> gripir_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades
[12:29] <hope13> see what in term Naiko?
[12:29] <sam> hope13
[12:30] <sam> can  ask questions to you
[12:30] <POVaddct> hope13: you can look up the package name of the java plugin by: dpkg -l | grep plugin
[12:30] <sam> in private rrom
[12:30] <sam> room
[12:30] <zomghax> damn you guys stay up long
[12:30] <hope13> i'm a guy sam
[12:30] <willskills> zomghax, is omglol from last night?
[12:30] <POVaddct> zomghax: it is 12:29 noon here
[12:30] <spikeb> zomghax, i love your nick :)
[12:30] <zomghax> =D
[12:31] <moosa> what if someo
[12:31] <sam> come
[12:31] <oxygen> i have a usb mause benq
[12:31] <ebe-1> Hi guys. Any idea why FF2 isn't showing up in the package manager?
[12:31] <oxygen> but it s not work under the ubuntu
[12:31] <oxygen> :(
[12:31] <gripir_> thx spikeb :)
[12:31] <gripir_> cya!
[12:32] <hope13> what pirate room?
[12:32] <hope13> private
[12:32] <ebe-1> Shouldn't Firefox 2 come up as an update?
[12:32] <moosa> i wonder why dont we make linux applications limited to linux only
[12:32] <holycow> ebe-1, only if a patch is required
[12:32] <sam> ok dont come
[12:32] <ebe-1> Oh..
[12:32] <moosa> i mean windows does that
[12:32] <finn_> why should "we" moosa ?
[12:33] <spikeb> heh moosa
[12:33] <holycow> moosa, its a good queestion.  most developers are apolitical and really want to follow the spirit of the gpl
[12:33] <hope13> um i found the java plugin POVaddct god of ubuntu what should i do now?
[12:33] <holycow> moosa, some are political and think that putting open source on windows smooths the transition
[12:33] <POVaddct> hope13: i am not god of ubuntu :))
[12:33] <hope13> to a newbie yes
[12:33] <holycow> moosa, i've come to the opinion that we should eliminate all free software on windows, why make their life easy?
[12:33] <holycow> :) but offtopic
[12:33] <POVaddct> hope13: now you do: sudo apt-get remove --purge name_of_the_plugin_package
[12:34] <POVaddct> hope13: you may have to close the add/remove window before that
[12:34] <hc> http://raggsokk.net/~hc/Xorg.0.log  <-- help me?
[12:34] <Naik0> How can i change so my Candido GTK+2 Engine is active?
[12:35] <moosa> i mean why do we switch to linux to get free apps and opensource while we can get it with windows and all of the other applications
[12:35] <POVaddct> hope13: apt-get will inform you if it has to remove additional packages depending on the plugin package
[12:36] <spikeb> moosa, because we don't want to run windows :)
[12:36] <moosa> and i noticed that linux is not vary supportive for game devs
[12:36] <moosa> :(
[12:36] <emun> someone mentioned setting up printer in a windows box and printing to it over network , how do you do that , do you need a printserver
[12:36] <spikeb> how is it not?
[12:37] <moosa> lose of directX
[12:37] <spikeb> moosa, bah
[12:37] <spikeb> moosa, openGL is still there, as well as other things.
[12:37] <hope13> dude thx again POVaddct I have to write this command down lol
[12:37] <hope13> in case this happen again lol
[12:38] <moosa> why dosnt linux have a graphics library for its own that whould move game dev a bit
[12:38] <spikeb> it has a number of different tools for game programmers, not the least of which might be a little something called OpenGL.
[12:39] <holycow> moosa, it actually has quite a few
[12:39] <emun> brady, how do set up printer on windows box and print from linux to it
[12:39] <holycow> moosa, the problem is that directx is devd by a very large rich company that gives it away for free
[12:40] <moosa> whoa
[12:40] <avis> frequency 7
[12:40] <holycow> moosa, to invest in game kit like that you haveto have two things : a large game market and a large game supply side, and you would need to charge for the game kit in some way to continue investing in it.
[12:40] <holycow> its a bit of a problem
[12:40] <hope13> um graphic programming is actually pretty hard IMO
[12:40] <holycow> first we haveto get our userbase much larger so we can start demanding things from hardware manufacturers
[12:40] <holycow> game companies will fall behind us after that
[12:41] <catalytic> merry christmas all
[12:41] <hope13> i think openGL is good enough
[12:41] <holycow> unless say for example ps3 suddenly drops to 200$, comes preinstalled with linux and sony decides to do a linux based dev kit thing like ms is doing
[12:41] <catalytic> what is the process for adding IDE devices (extra hard drives) after ubuntu has been installed?
[12:41] <hope13> no they're  giving out that unreal engine
[12:41] <hope13> well partially giving out unreal engine
[12:42] <moosa> openGL is not friends with OOP programming hopel3
[12:42] <LinTux> What make and model or chipset WIFI card will work with Ubuntu straight out of the box?
[12:42] <hope13> OOP?
[12:42] <moosa> correction OO
[12:42] <hope13> i thought the source code is out?
[12:42] <catalytic> moosa: what is java doing when it uses GL then?
[12:42] <hope13> GL is in C
[12:42] <hope13> or C++
[12:43] <hope13> lol i enjoy it when UCi student get killed in graphic class
[12:43] <Umbriel> Hi all, does anyone have an idea about configuring iptables as router and port redirection with a single network card?
[12:43] <moosa> i dont know i am not a java guy catalytic
[12:43] <catalytic> well java is OO and it seems to handle GL fine
[12:43] <hope13> java is interpret and it's slow
[12:43] <catalytic> lol
[12:43] <hope13> and every single stuff have to be OO
[12:44] <hope13> which is sick
[12:44] <moosa> not recommanded for FPS
[12:44] <hope13> and it's I/O suck
[12:44] <catalytic> java is slow is it?
[12:44] <hope13> yes
[12:44] <catalytic> what if its done properly?
[12:44] <moosa> unless its turn based
[12:44] <hope13> i'm comparing it to C
[12:44] <LinTux> What make and model or chipset WIFI card will work with Ubuntu straight out of the box?
[12:44] <catalytic> and not some amateurs attempt at coding like C in java?
[12:44] <hope13> lol
[12:44] <hope13> compile language > interprete
[12:45] <hope13> no competition
[12:45] <Naik0> Please can someone tell me how to activate an GTK+2 Engine?
[12:45] <Zaggynl> I played an online fps Java game a while ago....at 10 fps
[12:45] <moosa> will wurm is a promising game and it runs on linux1
[12:45] <catalytic> dipshit programmer + machine = still possibly slower than well written Java
[12:45] <Zaggynl> yeah, wurm it was x-D
[12:45] <hope13> i'm comparing it to C and java i don't know what you're comparing it to
[12:45] <hope13> or C++
[12:46] <emun> have printer connected to printserver on windows system , is there a way to print to it from linux
[12:46] <moosa> i recommand that any one who wants to see a good linux game go see wurm
[12:46] <catalytic> Zaggynl, played jake2?
[12:46] <Zaggynl> nope
[12:46] <catalytic> k
[12:46] <moosa> its java too and runs smoothly
[12:46] <Zaggynl> lol q2 in java :o
[12:46] <hope13> java is slow
[12:47] <hope13> it's easy to code
[12:47] <hope13> but it's slow
[12:47] <Zaggynl> and according to their benchmarks, their latest version of jake2 runs faster then its C counterpart
[12:47] <moosa> i use c++ myself
[12:47] <hope13> google c++ versus java lol
[12:47] <moosa> not much oo code tho
[12:47] <hope13> or c
[12:47] <catalytic> ppl bag out different languages, when they dont really understand them
[12:48] <hope13> that one is interpret and the other is compiled
[12:48] <catalytic> the benchmarks are probably based on computations that would never really be used in a normal app
[12:48] <hope13> compare openoffice of window to openoffice of linux
[12:48] <hope13> linux runs faster
[12:49] <moosa> there is one thing i am glad that i lift in windows
[12:49] <POVaddct> hope13: are you sure windows openoffice is written in java?
[12:49] <hope13> yeah
[12:49] <hope13> it's written in java
[12:49] <hope13> last time i check
[12:49] <hope13> one sec
[12:49] <hope13> i'll wiki it
[12:49] <moosa> win32 (evil music)
[12:49] <catalytic> u mean the java VM runs faster in linux
[12:49] <catalytic> or the os that the JVM is running on top of, is running faster?
[12:50] <dcordes> are there any pdas that are known for good linux support?
[12:50] <catalytic> ipaq
[12:50] <POVaddct> hey dcordes
[12:50] <moosa> i get 20 more fps in wurm so java could be faster in linux
[12:50] <POVaddct> dcordes: did you get my mail?
[12:51] <catalytic> http://www.idiom.com/~zilla/Computer/javaCbenchmark.html
[12:51] <catalytic> anyways
[12:51] <catalytic> mac vs pc, java vs c, ati vs radeon, nintendo vs sony
[12:51] <Naik0> Can someone help me find "gtk2-engines-rezlooks_0.6-1_i386.deb" would be great!
[12:51] <catalytic> can anyone help me add extra IDE harddrives to an already configured install of ubuntu?
[12:51] <midgetg0at> hrm....anyone know where i can find the apache2 log file on edgy? it doesnt appear to be starting...
[12:52] <Juhaz> only version of OOo that used java is neooffice for mac, and even that's only partially.
[12:52] <dcordes> POVaddct: ah yea i read it yesterday evening. my problem is the following: i can't use the method descriped in your gfx because i don't have a third box.... but i found another method that may be ok
[12:52] <dcordes> but thanks a lot man
[12:52] <hope13> mmm still looking
[12:52] <hope13> oh well
[12:52] <hope13> c>java in term of speed
[12:52] <POVaddct> dcordes: okay
[12:52] <hope13> in term of easiness i think java wins
[12:52] <hope13> i don't even think java deals with pointer
[12:52] <catalytic> doesnt have to
[12:52] <catalytic> and it has garbage collection
[12:52] <dcordes> POVaddct: i have to go fetch my grandpa now have a nice christmas
[12:52] <hope13> yeah
[12:53] <midgetg0at> so...no one knows the apache2 log file location? :)
[12:53] <ken> hope13: Pointers dont exist for Java, objects exists
[12:53] <hope13> that's a double edge sword
[12:53] <hope13> garbage collector are slow
[12:53] <hope13> but easy
[12:53] <catalytic> lol
[12:53] <catalytic> hope
[12:53] <catalytic> read that link that i posted
[12:53] <catalytic> "Most programmers say garbage collection is or should be slow, with no given reason- it's assumed but never discussed. Some computer language researchers say otherwise."
[12:54] <ken> Please help: What are the consequences/advantages/disadvantages of using FAT32 as the FileSystem for My Linux machine
[12:54] <catalytic> cant believe im sitting in an irc room on christmas night defending java
[12:54] <catalytic> and all i want to do is install an extra hard drive
[12:54] <catalytic> ah the wonders of irc
[12:54] <antman_> lol
[12:54] <midgetg0at> i just wanna get my lil apache2 setup going :(
[12:55] <moosa> and i want to know how to use .tar files
[12:55] <hope13> reding
[12:55] <midgetg0at> locate apache2 yields nothing, yet, etc/init.d/stop says "Stopping apache 2.0 web server..."
[12:55] <midgetg0at> well, apache2 stop
[12:55] <hope13> some versus most lol
[12:56] <ken> What are the consequences/advantages/disadvantages of using FAT32 as the FileSystem for My Linux machine?
[12:57] <jatt> funest consequeces, no advantages
[12:57] <Juhaz> you can't use fat32
[12:58] <gripir_> spikeb: there is a problem
[12:58] <ken> Jatt: please elaborate
[12:58] <ken> Juhaz: Why?
[12:58] <spikeb> gripir_, what's that?
[12:58] <gripir_> Failed to fetch http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/dists/dapper/free/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found
[12:58] <gripir_> Failed to fetch http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/dists/dapper/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found
[12:58] <Juhaz> it doesn't support posix file permissions, and several kinds of special files which you absolutely need for a working system
[12:58] <gripir_> sry for pasting.
[12:58] <spikeb> gripir_, change dapper to edgy-plf. also, sometimes plf goes down
[12:59] <gripir_> where can I do this?
[12:59] <NineTeen67Comet> Hi all .. does anyone know of a good gdesklet like app (that makes the icon bar like "MacOS X") .. I've been playing with e-live e16 cd and it's got one that's just smooth .. ideas?
[12:59] <spikeb> gripir_, by editing /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:59] <gripir_> and there every dapper to edgy?
[01:00] <FirstStrike> NineTeen67Comet: adesklets
[01:00] <gripir_> ah I think I got it
[01:00] <NineTeen67Comet> FirstStrike: adesklets .. gotchya .. a'googaling I go .. thank you ..
[01:01] <jatt> ken: because vfat is intended to be a Windows95/Windows NT compatible extended MSDOS filesystem and no linux filesystem? Isn't that enough reason?
[01:02] <hope13> i'mma choose wiki java defense on why it's slow
[01:02] <hope13> lol
[01:02] <gripir_> Failed to fetch http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/dists/edgy/free/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found <-- maybe  it is really down :S
[01:03] <fabian_> hi. does anyone have experience with the Netgear WG111v2 wireless adapter?
[01:03] <hope13> they only use one compiler and it's c++
[01:03] <hope13> g++
[01:03] <ken> jatt: i am getting lot of compatibility problems to make Windows and Ubuntu to see each others partitions. SO i formatted Windows and installed a new XP on FAT32 (so ubuntu can safely read/write) now i am going to format Ubuntu and i need a file-system that is 100%compatible with Windows. So tell me what should i keep the Ubuntu's partition's file-system as?
[01:03] <fabian_> ps: i'm a total noob to irc^^
[01:03] <NineTeen67Comet> FirstStrike: do you know by chance if it'll be okay with Beryl/AIXGL/Nvidia going? .. I've found that FrostWire does not work with Beryl running ..
[01:04] <hope13> irc = all my manga/anime
[01:04] <sciboy> G'day.
[01:04] <hc> lo sciboy
[01:04] <sciboy> I was curious, what do i need to do to get my system to autodetect my hardware and fill in most of my Xorg.conf?
[01:05] <bubbles> hi
[01:05] <bubbles> is it possible to change that boot-splash?
[01:05] <jatt> ken: I don't understand why you need a filesystem that is 100% compatible with windows. What do you mean with "100% compatible"? Why is ext{2|3} not enough in your case?
[01:06] <ken> jatt: Windows can't read/write to it! Thats why.
[01:06] <POVaddct> !ext3
[01:06] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[01:06] <bubbles> afaik it was possible on breezy, but not on dapper or edgy
[01:06] <jatt> ken: there are ports of ext{2|3} to windows, AFAIK. Or you can use SAMBA to write to your linux partition.
[01:07] <ken> jatt: What is SAMBA?
[01:07] <jatt> !samba
[01:07] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[01:07] <ken> jatt: Is it easy for me to learn/use or has it got all the complexities generally associated with Linux?
[01:08] <POVaddct> jatt: samba is of no use in a dual-boot scenario
[01:08] <moosa> heh well i guess its a chanse to play with python a little
[01:08] <jatt> ken: I am not sure if samba is for you (a single pc). So I would take a look at the ext{2|3} ports for windows.
[01:08] <POVaddct> !ext3
[01:08] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[01:08] <jatt> exactly, that's what I meant
[01:08] <ken> POVaddct: Have you used that driver reliably?
[01:09] <POVaddct> ken: no
[01:09] <ken> jatt: you?
[01:09] <POVaddct> ken: can't tell how stable it is
[01:09] <ken> POVaddct: I noticed that the files i write through that driver, MAYBE causing Ubuntu to re-check the journal of my HDD at boot-up
[01:10] <brian_> hello
[01:10] <jatt> ken: I don't use windows
[01:11] <ken> POVaddct: jatt: OK, thank you for helping me
[01:11] <POVaddct> ken: i would have a different approach to sharing files between linux and windows on a dual boot machine. leaving windows on a ntfs filesystem, linux on a ext3 filesystem and have a spare partition with fat32 for both systems to read/write
[01:12] <Brandoo> #ubuntu-at
[01:12] <ken> POVaddct: I want to avoid having a extra partition dedicated to 'sharing' data.
[01:12] <POVaddct> ken: hmm
[01:12] <brian_> I love ubuntu
[01:12] <ken> brian_: And what does ubuntu think og you? ;-)
[01:12] <ken> *of
[01:12] <moosa> i didnt find a reason to love ubuntu yet :(
[01:13] <brian_> It is faster than Windows Xp
[01:13] <jatt> moosa: do you hate ubuntu?
[01:13] <moosa> not really i hate .tar files
[01:13] <hope13> ubuntu have nice eye candy
[01:13] <POVaddct> jatt: not loving doesn't mean hating
[01:13] <hope13> and it's not written in java >,>
[01:13] <hope13> lol
[01:14] <moosa> java is bitter then VB.NET lmo
[01:14] <hope13> i still can't think of a reason why java is faster that c++
[01:14] <jatt> hope13: is it?
[01:14] <hc> og 3 sekunder  bytte p.
[01:14] <moosa> java is written is c++
[01:14] <hc> damn
[01:14] <moosa> i think
[01:15] <hope13> it's not suppose to be fast lol cuz interpret versus compiler
[01:15] <hope13> other wise Linux should be written in Java
[01:15] <ken> What use is a 'journal' of the EXT3 FS?
[01:15] <moosa> bad c++ code < good java code
[01:16] <hope13> lol bad c++ code = seg fault = memory leak = blue screen of death
[01:16] <jatt> !journal
[01:16] <moosa> omfg
[01:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about journal - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:16] <jatt> hm crap :(
[01:16] <POVaddct> ken: a journalling file system is more robust and does not need lengthy checking after power outages
[01:17] <moosa> i didnt get the blue screen in years i kind of missed it
[01:17] <hope13> no it's horrible and bad coding
[01:17] <hope13> lol
[01:17] <POVaddct> moosa: write a blue screen emulator :)
[01:17] <moosa> good idea
[01:17] <ken> POVaddct: So if i use a windows driver to write to a EXT3 FS, than will i disrupt the 'journal'?
[01:17] <hope13> just set a pointer to null and then em
[01:17] <hope13> what's that term
[01:18] <hope13> reference it
[01:18] <brainiac_ghost> just wanna wish you all a merry christmas
[01:18] <moosa> i mean linux dosnt crash so i have to make a crash applet for it :D
[01:18] <brainiac_ghost> ken: not neccaserilly
[01:18] <POVaddct> moosa: actually, some screen savers in linux have blue screen modes
[01:18] <ken> brainiac_ghost: please elaborate
[01:18] <brainiac_ghost> ken: i believe ext3 updates the journal when it is fsck'd if it was written in ext2 mode
[01:19] <POVaddct> ken: no, ext3 can be used as ext2. however, the journal isn't used as long as it is used as ext2.
[01:19] <brainiac_ghost> ken: and ext3 will journal the futeure transactions when used as ext3
[01:19] <moosa> i want to know how to write some binary
[01:20] <moosa> (1 0)
[01:20] <ken> brainiac_ghost: POVaddct: So at every boot-up, before Ubuntu starts, i will have to wait for fsck to check my HDDs and update the journals, if i have writen to a EXT3 partition from Windows in the previous boot? This happens when i write Data using that driver from windows to the EXT3 partition
[01:20] <moosa> i want to see how it all started
[01:20] <brainiac_ghost> ken: dunno, i just had a shared fat partition :P
[01:21] <POVaddct> ken: i really dont know how the windows ext2/3 driver works
[01:21] <ken> anyone else?
[01:21] <hope13> neone want to play a secret game in gnome?
[01:22] <ja> moosa, the most basic google search would have found this for you http://www.math.grin.edu/~rebelsky/Courses/152/97F/Readings/student-binary.html
[01:22] <hope13> moosa you love games
[01:22] <moosa> games == my life
[01:22] <rcrook> ok... why does unrar-free not want to extract anything??????
[01:22] <rcrook> does the -free mean doesnt work????
[01:22] <DeagsDoesLinux> moosa what games u play?
[01:22] <hope13> do a : alt+f2 and type gegls from outer space  and enter
[01:23] <POVaddct> i am not a gamer at all. in old atari st times i used to be one.
[01:23] <moosa> before linux i was playing hallf life 2
[01:23] <moosa> *Sniff* i miss it
[01:23] <DeagsDoesLinux> u can play hl2 in linux i believe
[01:23] <brainiac_ghost> moosa: i miss wow
[01:23] <brainiac_ghost> moosa: but meh
[01:23] <hope13> 1: alt+f2 2: type: gegls from outer space 2: enter
[01:23] <moosa> as well wolf.e.t
[01:23] <DeagsDoesLinux> i know wow works in linux
[01:24] <oxygen> i need nvidia driver for linux
[01:24] <xpc> !hu
[01:24] <oxygen> :)
[01:24] <ubotu> Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #ubuntu-hu
[01:24] <oxygen> ubuntu
[01:24] <xyz> hay can any one help with amsn tcl
[01:24] <xyz> how do i sudo apt-get amsn-tcl
[01:24] <moosa> i played almost every mmo games out there in the web
[01:24] <DeagsDoesLinux> the only problem with wow is u need like 1000 gb to play it lmao
[01:25] <hope13> T_T some1 do the gegls from outer space lol
[01:25] <DeagsDoesLinux> im installing ultime online for a free shard at the moment
[01:25] <DeagsDoesLinux> ultima even
[01:25] <jooopyme> what is the name of the unstable tree?
[01:25] <moosa> ok i hate .tar files now
[01:25] <POVaddct> feisty
[01:26] <FirstStrike> !nvidia | oxygen
[01:26] <ubotu> oxygen: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:26] <oxygen> ok
[01:26] <moosa> easy ubuntu is a easy choise tho
[01:27] <DeagsDoesLinux> what if u dont know what video card you have because its intigrated?
[01:27] <moosa> it maked ubuntu a little easyer for me
[01:27] <FirstStrike> DeagsDoesLinux: I just installed the Vanguard beta. After patching, it's 9.76 gigs.
[01:27] <oxygen> how can i use apt-search ?
[01:27] <oxygen> i want to use search
[01:27] <POVaddct> oxygen: apt-cache search ...
[01:27] <DeagsDoesLinux> eww @ first strike thats rough
[01:27] <FirstStrike> Yea..
[01:27] <FirstStrike>  Diskspace: 413.43G Free: 4.61G
[01:28] <fl1> how can i force the instalation of a package?
[01:28] <FirstStrike> -f
[01:28] <DeagsDoesLinux> i hate world of warcraft lol so i always poke at how its like 6 dvds now and every patch is like 2 gig
[01:28] <DeagsDoesLinux> lol
[01:28] <oxygen> i cant find nvdia
[01:28] <moosa> wurm ftw
[01:28] <moosa> its wayyyy better then wow
[01:28] <DeagsDoesLinux> whats wurm?
[01:28] <moosa> and its java :P
[01:29] <DeagsDoesLinux> ooo
[01:29] <FirstStrike> I play Ragnarok Online and Saga of Ryzom
[01:29] <moosa> google wurm online
[01:29] <FirstStrike> Both run well under wine
[01:29] <DeagsDoesLinux> ahh nice
[01:29] <DeagsDoesLinux> im venturing into uo right now no idea if it will work under wine it should tho its like 10 years old
[01:29] <DeagsDoesLinux> lol
[01:30] <FirstStrike> check the wine appsdb to see if it's listed as working
[01:30] <moosa> i wish they add wurm in ubuntu package
[01:30] <moosa> its addictive
[01:30] <DeagsDoesLinux> well its installing and everything
[01:30] <FirstStrike> installing is always the easy part
[01:30] <DeagsDoesLinux> and it has to work because i know people who play off linux
[01:31] <moosa> if you want more graphics download optional packs
[01:31] <FirstStrike> heh..heh...just because they're playing on linux doesn't mean it worked out of the box
[01:31] <FirstStrike> sometimes you have to patch wine/your kernel, compile a new kernel or make some other modifications to get things working
[01:31] <DeagsDoesLinux> im sure it did those people r dumber then i am
[01:31] <moosa> and if you set graphics to the mix your eyes are going to crash
[01:31] <DeagsDoesLinux> lol
[01:32] <DeagsDoesLinux> ill get it soon
[01:32] <sam> lol
[01:32] <moosa> IF your g-card can handle it first
[01:32] <DeagsDoesLinux> after this uo gets done
[01:32] <DeagsDoesLinux> its free moosa?
[01:32] <moosa> basic acc yeah
[01:32] <FirstStrike> back in wine 0.9.19 i had to compile a new kernel, patch wine and compile that from scratch and make modifications in the saga of ryzom .ini to get it running without graphic glitches + have sound.
[01:32] <moosa> you can build houses forge farm etc
[01:32] <cvasilak> hi there, anyone knows when the official postgresql 8.2 package will appear on the official package repository?
[01:32] <FirstStrike> that was rough
[01:32] <barosl> proftpd, vsftpd, pureftpd
[01:32] <FirstStrike> cvasilak: when somebody adds it.
[01:32] <moosa> play as a guest first
[01:32] <barosl> what ftpd do you use?
[01:33] <cvasilak> FirstStrike: oh ok, pretty smart...
[01:33] <FirstStrike> i've always preferred pureftpd
[01:33] <DeagsDoesLinux> ok ill get it soon
[01:33] <FirstStrike> cvasilak: nobody here has any idea when something will be added to the repository. even something major like wine took 3 days for .28 to get on there.
[01:33] <moosa> i suggest anyone who missed WOW in windows to play wurm
[01:34] <FirstStrike> I prefer to play a game that's actually challenging and not full of retards.
[01:34] <DeagsDoesLinux> ima go lay down while uo patches
[01:34] <DeagsDoesLinux> lol
[01:35] <moosa> DeagsDoesLinux,  wurm wont be welcoming at start its hard
[01:35] <moosa> and dont wander off to much or a spider will kill you
[01:35] <sam> merry christmas to all people
[01:35] <DeagsDoesLinux> ok
[01:36] <DeagsDoesLinux> n u sam
[01:36] <moosa> playing BASS atm anyone can help me?
[01:38] <linux_user> can anyone tell me something? is it safe to use automatix2?
[01:38] <apokryphos> !automatix
[01:38] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[01:40] <brainiac_ghost> !easyubuntu
[01:40] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[01:40] <apokryphos> linux_user: that's a no
[01:40] <brainiac_ghost> see, easyubuntu is less dangerous than automatix
[01:40] <linux_user> easyubuntu is a program something like automatix?
[01:40] <jatt> linux_user: NO NO NO never use automatix, NEVER
[01:40] <brainiac_ghost> linux_user: kinda
[01:41] <nolimitsoya> linux_user, with the exeption that it actualy works :)
[01:41] <nolimitsoya> *c
[01:41] <brainiac_ghost> linux_user: easier just to uncomment the repoositorys and apt-get install (whatever)
[01:41] <moosa> omg (removes automix from his computer)
[01:41] <linux_user> thnx guys. in faq i found that "my buddies on #ubuntu tells me is not safe to use automatix". that's why i asked you
[01:41] <apokryphos> or easier to see the documentation and FAQ
[01:41] <apokryphos> linux_user: take a look at the FAQ (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions) as linked to in the channel /topic
[01:42] <brainiac_ghost> linux_user: oh and HAPPY CHRISTMAS :P
[01:42] <ken> sudo apt-get windows-vista-premium
[01:43] <linux_user> thnx guys
[01:43] <brainiac_ghost> ken: sudo apt-get remove windows-vista-premium -oh-my-god-i-didn't-want-you-installed-in-the-first-place
[01:43] <FirstStrike> ken: haha..so true
[01:44] <ken> :)
[01:44] <nolimitsoya> ken, FirstStrike, http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt
[01:45] <moosa> is linux friends with sony consoles?
[01:45] <ken> moosa: ya
[01:45] <ken> nolimitsoya: Maybe you could help; >	i am getting lot of compatibility problems to make Windows and Ubuntu to see each others partitions. SO i formatted Windows and installed a new XP on FAT32 (so ubuntu can safely read/write) now i am going to format Ubuntu and i need a file-system that is 100%compatible with Windows. So tell me what should i keep the Ubuntu's partition's file-system as?
[01:45] <moosa> so will linux aid it in the fight aginst the evil windows
[01:45] <FirstStrike> nolimitsoya: Sorry, but at nearly 5 am when I haven't slept yet that's way too much writing
[01:46] <FirstStrike> ken: ext3 should be fine..
[01:46] <FirstStrike> ken: there's software you can install on windows that'll let you access your linux partition/drive just fine.
[01:46] <FirstStrike> ubuntu should auto-mount your windows drive
[01:47] <nolimitsoya> ken, ext2/3 can be read from windows with the ext2ifs driver from fs-driver.org and id recommend ntfs-3g for writing to windows ntfs drives
[01:47] <ken> nolimitsoya: FirstStrike: Is this true: So at every boot-up, before Ubuntu starts, i will have to wait for fsck to check my HDDs and update the journals, if i have writen to a EXT3 partition from Windows in the previous boot? This happens when i write Data using that driver from windows to the EXT3 partition
[01:47] <FirstStrike> ken: what? no, that's not normal.
[01:47] <brainiac_ghost> FirstStrike: i would reccomend: windows: ntfs, data (mounted as /media/data - world read/writeable) - fat32 and ubuntu ext3
[01:47] <Spitfireleet> how do i enable my wifi connection through terminal? this is because i can't enable it properly through Network Settings
[01:47] <nolimitsoya> ken, no you shouldnt...
[01:48] <ken> nolimitsoya: FirstStrike: As i believe that when i write some data from Windows using that driver, it doesn;t update the journal.
[01:48] <brainiac_ghost> ken: yeah, but journal is just a recovery thing
[01:48] <nolimitsoya> ken, thats try, but it doesnt have to. ext3 is just ext2 without the journal
[01:48] <hope13> are you guys trying to get linux to write to window partition?
[01:48] <nolimitsoya> *with
[01:48] <brainiac_ghost> ken: as long as the write finishes successfully
[01:48] <FirstStrike> !wifi | Spitfireleet
[01:48] <ubotu> Spitfireleet: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:48] <brainiac_ghost> ken: it doesn't *need* to
[01:49] <nolimitsoya> *csync/
[01:49] <hope13> use Samba
[01:49] <hope13> >,>
[01:49] <FirstStrike> samba works
[01:49] <nolimitsoya> ken, if you get the fsck you didnt sync or get a clean unmount
[01:49] <FirstStrike> easy to setup. i use that myself for my laptop/desktop
[01:50] <Spitfireleet> FirstStrike: bash says event not found
[01:50] <hope13> hope13 = noob = only knows useless stuff like = free the fish
[01:50] <nolimitsoya> hope13, free the fish?
[01:51] <FirstStrike> nolimitsoya: alt + f2 and type in "free the fish" with no quotes
[01:51] <ken> nolimitsoya: FirstStrike: brainiac_ghost: Consider this scenario: I boot-up windows and write something in my EXT3 partitions using the FS-DRIVER.org's dirver, than the journal of the fs is not updated. Next time i boot Ubuntu i am having a unfinished journal and it fired up fsck to update the journal and i sit foolishly in front of the PC, as it slowly updates the journal at ubuntu boot?
[01:52] <nolimitsoya> ken, nope
[01:52] <nolimitsoya> ken, if you need the checking you didnt sync/unmount clean
[01:52] <ken> nolimitsoya: FirstStrike brainiac_ghost: Do you agree that the Windows driver doesn't update the journal.
[01:52] <hope13> nolimitsoya : if you have gnome: do alt+f2 ; type "free the fish"; press enter
[01:52] <nolimitsoya> ken, yes
[01:52] <nolimitsoya> hope13, i dont :P
[01:53] <ken> nolimitsoya: But in the previous boot i wrote something from Windows to EXT3, and clicked on shutdown, there is no way windows can perform a non-clean mount
[01:53] <FirstStrike> =\
[01:53] <nolimitsoya> xfce user
[01:53] <hope13> dang lol
[01:53] <nolimitsoya> ken, of course it can.
[01:53] <moosa> get that fish off my screen X(
[01:53] <ken> nolimitsoya: So if the journal is incomplete wouldn't ubuntu have to update it? And i have to sit there like a foolish punk waiting for it to scan my 160GB drive?
[01:53] <FirstStrike> nolimitsoya: it just makes a fish swim around on your desktop
[01:53] <nolimitsoya> ken, no it shouldnt
[01:53] <brainiac_ghost> ken: not neccaserilly
[01:54] <nolimitsoya> ken, as i said, ext3 can be mounted as ext2, and then the journal is just disregarded. the journal is just a list of operations. it doesnt have to be complete
[01:54] <brainiac_ghost> ken: i think it is because a journal is just a recovery measure if the write *fails* which if windows syncs and unmounts then it won't
[01:54] <ken> nolimitsoya: brainiac_ghost: 1)You agree that when writing from Windows the journal is incomplete, so when is the journal completed?
[01:54] <nolimitsoya> ken, not incomplete, disregarded. it doesnt have to be completed