[00:00] <AnAirMagic> as the driver
[00:01] <jaska94> yo
[00:01] <limac> hey
[00:01] <enotee> ok i see ipw2200 so
[00:02] <enotee> when i configure airsnort what type driver do i specify
[00:02] <AnAirMagic> that's the driver being used for the wireless card
[00:04] <V99> Sera
[00:04] <arriesp> bye all
[00:05] <AnAirMagic> enotee: not sure at all
[00:07] <enotee> can anyone help to configure airsnort
[00:11] <Flare183> !airsnort
[00:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about airsnort - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:12] <enotee> k thanks
[00:12] <ardchoille> !info airsnort
[00:12] <ubotu> airsnort: WLAN sniffer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.7e-3 (gutsy), package size 50 kB, installed size 184 kB
[00:13] <ardchoille> !nickspam > V99_is_GIUSEPPE
[00:18] <maninder> how do i install a a setup that i downloaded fromthe internet
[00:18] <maninder> do i use adept to install it
[00:18] <ardchoille> maninder: Which app is it?
[00:19] <posingaspopular> maninder: a deb file you downloaded from the internet?
[00:19] <maninder> its a ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run
[00:19] <ardchoille> maninder: One should always check the repos first when searching for an app. It's likely to be there
[00:19] <ardchoille> !ati | maninder
[00:19] <maninder> yeye
[00:19] <maninder> so what
[00:19] <maninder> should i type
[00:19] <maninder> to run it
[00:19] <ubotu> maninder: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[00:20] <maninder> i tires
[00:20] <maninder> tired that
[00:20] <maninder> doesnt work
[00:20] <maninder> i already downloaded the setup file
[00:20] <maninder> i just need to install it
[00:20] <maninder> how do i do it
[00:22] <Kohlrabi> maninder: If you really can't use the above method (which I highly doubt), you can try using envy, which is not advised, though.
[00:22] <opdensteinen> hi
[00:22] <kristjan_> hi is there more up-to-date repo for kde4 packages?
[00:23] <cn28h> !nickspam
[00:23] <ubotu> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[00:23] <Gogoacquan> hi
[00:23] <Flare183> hello
[00:23] <Gogoacquan> i want to install vlc player but it doesnt work with the adept manager:((((
[00:23] <Flare183> sudo apt-get vlc
[00:23] <Gogoacquan> maybe anyone have a solution^^
[00:23] <cn28h> what error do you get?
[00:23] <Flare183> !vlc
[00:24] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs
[00:24] <Kohlrabi> +install
[00:25] <Kohlrabi> Gogoacquan: Maybe look for a .deb package on the videolan site.
[00:25] <Gogoacquan> {\rtf1\ansi\deff0\adeflang1025
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[00:25] <Gogoacquan> {\colortbl;\red0\green0\blue0;\red128\green128\blue128;}
[00:25] <Gogoacquan> {\stylesheet{\s1\rtlch\afs24\lang1023\ltrch\dbch\langfe1023\hich\fs24\lang1023\loch\fs24\lang1023\snext1 Normal;}
[00:25] <Gogoacquan> }
[00:25] <Flare183> !paste| Gogoacquan
[00:25] <ubotu> Gogoacquan: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[00:26] <Flare183> ardchoille:> why would someone do that?
[00:26] <ardchoille> Flare183: Do what?
[00:26] <Flare183> ardchoille:> paste like that
[00:26] <ardchoille> Flare183: No idea
[00:26] <Flare183> ardchoille:> esp on the channel
[00:27] <chipy> my amule close momentany
[00:27] <V99_is_GIUSEPPE> hi!!!!!!!!!!1
[00:27] <chipy> what is it
[00:27] <chipy> hi
[00:27] <V99_is_GIUSEPPE> my amule go fast :)
[00:30] <Max-P> !fixapt
[00:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixapt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:30] <ardchoille> !fixadept
[00:30] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[00:30] <Max-P> thanks
[00:30] <ardchoille> yw
[00:32] <ardchoille> V99: You've been warned about nickspam. Please refrain from doing that. Last warning
[00:44] <NickPresta> I have a game that insists on playing full screen. Is there any way to make this game "windowed" or at least play on one of my displays, instead of spanning two?
[00:45] <tinin> NickPresta tri configuring that from the game while runing
[00:45] <tinin> maybe press "F"
[00:46] <tinin> or run it from a console and try --help to see if it has a windowed option
[00:46] <sub[t]rnl> setup meta modes in your xorg.conf
[00:46] <sub[t]rnl> like 1024x768,null
[00:48] <sub[t]rnl> Option "metamodes" "1280x1024,1280x1024; 1280x1024,NULL"
[00:49] <tehm0nk-LX> Does anyone know a terminal command to list partitions on a raid setup and see what size they are?
[00:50] <Flare183> tehm0nk-LX: df
[00:50] <Flare183> i think
[00:50] <Flare183> yeah
[00:50] <tehm0nk-LX> Flare183: that doesn't work for me :-/ i'm on the live cd
[00:51] <Flare183> that's weird it's supposed to be a core component
[00:51] <Flare183> might want to report that
[00:51] <Gogoacquan> hi
[00:51] <tehm0nk-LX> core for me right now i think is... all in the ram or something right now
[00:51] <sub[t]rnl> Greetings Gogoacquan, Welcome to #Kubuntu
[00:52] <tehm0nk-LX> would fdisk show anything?
[01:00] <arael82> hola, quien tiene un manual de gambas???
[01:00] <ardchoille> !es | arael82
[01:00] <Jay-Oh-En> !es
[01:00] <ubotu> arael82: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[01:00] <Jay-Oh-En> slow?
[01:00] <ardchoille> Yeah
[01:01] <tehm0nk-LX> has been for days?
[01:01] <tehm0nk-LX> anyone know a fair amount about paritioning?
[01:01] <tehm0nk-LX> hopefully with Raid knowledge?
[01:01] <blackwaltz> I would say I know a fair amount
[01:01] <Gogoacquan> hi
[01:01] <blackwaltz> and even a little bit about raid
[01:02] <Jay-Oh-En> how do i change the background color of konqueror
[01:02] <ardchoille> hi Gogoacquan
[01:02] <tehm0nk-LX> blackwaltz: can i have your attention for awhile? i've been having Issues... Dual-booting kubuntu & vista...
[01:02] <kristjan_> is there some way to follow only once process memory usage? (like top but only follow one app)
[01:02] <blackwaltz> tehm0nk-LX: sure
[01:03] <kristjan_> Jay-Oh-En: view> configure background
[01:03] <blackwaltz> kristjan_: could use ksysguard and type the app name in the filter box if that will work for you
[01:03] <ardchoille> kristjan_: have a look at htop, it has more features and easier to manage for some.
[01:03] <kristjan_> blackwaltz: oh nice, but I was thinking of something in konsole and one line
[01:06] <Schuenemann> !ati
[01:06] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:07] <tehm0nk-LX> blackwaltz: you getting my PMs?
[01:07] <Jay-Oh-En> kristjan_: thanks
[01:08] <kristjan_> ardchoille: anyway I found the answer by reading the top man page :-) [top -p "PID number of the process, e.g. 14876" ]
[01:09] <ardchoille> kristjan_: Good job :)
[01:10] <tehm0nk-LX> In Konversation is there a way to DCC-CHAT so that pasting large text doesn't end in a kline or something?
[01:11] <stdin> why not use pastebin?
[01:12] <tehm0nk-LX> how do you paste with it tho?
[01:12] <tehm0nk-LX> or do you have to make the person click a link?
[01:13] <ardchoille> tehm0nk-LX: You paste in a block of text, click "send" and it will give you a new url that you can give to the recipient where they cna see what you pasted
[01:14] <tehm0nk-LX> ardchoille: right... so i have to have them click a link :-
[01:14] <tehm0nk-LX> :-P
[01:15] <ardchoille> tehm0nk-LX: tbh clicking a link is not that difficult
[01:19] <stdin> having someone click a link is better than flooding them in /msg or in a dcc chat, I know the one I'd rather have
[01:32] <blackwaltz> stdin: unless you're impatient or have a slow internet connection .. in which case being flooded in /msg isn't so bad
[01:32] <stdin> blackwaltz: it's annoying for one, and if your client makes a noise when you get a /msg it's even worse
[01:33] <blackwaltz> stdin: matter of personal tastes I think ... it can take me up to a minute or two to get to things in a pastebin sometimes
[01:34] <stdin> and what if you need/want to show more than one person?
[01:34] <blackwaltz> That's another story.
[01:36]  * flaccid wakes up
[01:43] <Jay-Oh-En> hey flaccid
[01:44] <blackwaltz> This room seems awfully dead this evening
[01:44] <ardchoille> !away > Mr_Sonoma
[01:47] <blizzzek> gn8
[01:49] <synth> if I've switched to kubuntu, how can I remove all the gnome stuff etc? ubuntu-desktop isn't in place..
[01:50] <stdin> !purekde
[01:50] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[01:50] <synth> thanks
[01:50] <flaccid> howdy
[01:50] <evil_6969> hello
[01:50]  * flaccid makes coffee
[01:51] <evil_6969> any one here with kubuntu on a presario C500?
[01:53] <t3ch13> Anybody here with Kubuntu using the Realtek Sound?
[01:53] <synth> ah love coffee
[01:53] <evil_6969> t3 you haveing sound issues?
[01:54] <t3ch13> Yes the icon shows as sound on but no sound
[01:54] <evil_6969> hang on i think i have the info in my bookmarks
[01:54] <tekteen> evil_6969: what is the issue? I doubt that a person with your model will be on
[01:55] <evil_6969> tek .i have sond but my hedphones won't mute my speakers
[01:55] <flaccid> goto kmix and alsamixer and make sure the relevant channels are unmuted and turne dup
[01:56] <tekteen> evil_6969: I had the same problem
[01:56] <tekteen> let me find the quide
[01:56] <tekteen> guide*
[01:56] <evil_6969> cool thaniks
[01:56] <evil_6969> thanks
[01:58] <t3ch13> Alsamixer shows the volume at 89 but kmix won't load
[01:58] <tekteen> evil_6969: found it!
[01:58] <tekteen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HP_Pavillion_dv6000_%28dv6604nr%29?highlight=%28dv600%29
[01:58] <tekteen> Only follow the sound card info
[01:58] <evil_6969> ok
[02:00] <evil_6969> sweet i will try it
[02:00] <tekteen> ok
[02:00] <tekteen> np
[02:05] <evil_6969> brb
[02:11] <tekteen> hey evil_6969
[02:11] <tekteen> did it work?
[02:11] <evil_6969> hey  thanks....nope  but thats ok
[02:12] <tekteen> sorry
[02:12] <evil_6969> can i get the link so i nac pass it on it may work for some one else
[02:12] <evil_6969> can*
[02:12] <tekteen> ?
[02:13] <tekteen> not sure what u r asking
[02:13] <evil_6969> the info you sent me about the speakers
[02:13] <tekteen> ok
[02:13] <evil_6969> can i get it from you again
[02:14] <tekteen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HP_Pavillion_dv6000_%28dv6604nr%29?highlight=%28dv600%29
[02:14] <evil_6969> cool thanks
[02:16] <evil_6969> ok i have to go i will be back on later thanks for the help
[02:19] <maninder> whats that object doc called for linux
[02:20] <flaccid> what is an object doc
[02:20] <maninder> its like an apple os doc
[02:20] <flaccid> what is an apple os doc
[02:20] <maninder> that start menu 3d one
[02:21] <flaccid> i don't know what you are talking about sorry
[02:21] <maninder> its like short cuts
[02:21] <flaccid> !symlinks
[02:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about symlinks - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:21] <flaccid> unix has symbolic links
[02:21] <flaccid> just like os x
[02:22] <maninder> http://www.guidebookgallery.org/pics/articles/interviewwithjohngruber/docks.big.png
[02:22] <maninder> i want that for linux
[02:22] <maninder> a short cut dock
[02:23] <strtok> uh huh
[02:23] <maninder> how do i get that
[02:23] <maninder> for linux
[02:23] <cuking_1> !dock
[02:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:24] <ardchoille> maninder: You can do that with your current kicker
[02:24] <maninder> kicker$
[02:24] <maninder> kicker?
[02:24] <ardchoille> maninder: Your kde panel
[02:25] <bambam> hello everyone,
[02:25] <bambam> I have a problem with KONTACT
[02:25] <bambam> it can smoothly receive my inbox, yet IT CANT CONNECT TO MY MAIL SERVER TO SEND MAILS!!!
[02:26] <bambam> anyone met such an issue??
[02:27] <cuking_1> Once I had a problem with the mail server I was using to send out on not letting me connect.
[02:27] <stdin> !caps
[02:27] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[02:29] <bambam> no worries, i was only highlighting my issue, another thing to add is that i still can log to my web mail interface to send emails, and its also responding when i try to ping it
[02:34] <tehm0nk> is it better to get the drivers from Nvidia or use the nvidia-glx-new drivers?
[02:34] <cuking_1> tehm0nk I have had good success with the glx drivers.
[02:35] <tehm0nk> cuking are you on dual monitors?
[02:35] <cuking_1> hmmm nope.
[02:35] <cuking_1> I have seen it done but I have trouble enough keeping up with the info on one part of one screen :)
[02:36] <tehm0nk> lol
[02:36] <tehm0nk> that is where my problems start is when i try to get both monitors working
[02:36] <cuking_1> I wish I could help I would probably give more misinformation on that issue than help :
[02:41] <flaccid> xrandr is great for dualling on gutsy with right drivers for card
[02:47] <flaccid> tehm0nk: try xrandr
[02:47] <tehm0nk> ?
[02:48] <flaccid> you want dual?
[02:48] <tehm0nk> yes
[02:48] <flaccid> check xrandr -q and see if there are two displays
[02:48] <flaccid> if there is then you should be able to control them
[02:48] <flaccid> for example i do xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1920x1200 --right-of LVDS
[02:49] <unix_infidel> ok, ubuntu really went the crapper since i last used it.
[02:49] <flaccid> hehe
[02:50] <unix_infidel> i'm getting hangs during install, kernel panics during boot, wireless not working automatically.
[02:50] <unix_infidel> and this is ON OLD HARDWARE!
[02:50] <stdin> !caps | unix_infidel
[02:50] <ubotu> unix_infidel: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[02:50] <unix_infidel> lol, where linux shines :-)
[02:50] <flaccid> sounds like there is a problem
[02:50] <unix_infidel> flaccid: first problem: CPU too old for this kernel.
[02:50] <flaccid> i can help with the last one. the middle one you should google and if it hangs...
[02:51] <flaccid> how do you know that
[02:51] <unix_infidel> went a head and rebooted to the install disk , chrooted, installed linux-generic.
[02:51] <unix_infidel> flaccid: it was the error during boot.
[02:51] <flaccid> crazy
[02:51] <tehm0nk> flaccid: is it possible to have 2 desktops?
[02:51] <tehm0nk> like 1 virtual desktop showing on each monitor?
[02:51] <flaccid> yeah you are usually given 2 or 4 by default
[02:52] <flaccid> ah yeah thats what dual display is i guess or what is known as twinview for nv
[02:52] <unix_infidel> the problem with the linux-386 and linux-generic kernels are that the ipw2200 support is bad.
[02:52] <flaccid> there needs to be more dual dvi notebooks out there...
[02:53] <flaccid> unix_infidel: really. its actually really good. i use ipw2200 and since they finished the support after dapper its been good
[02:53] <flaccid> i use it unix_infidel, so maybe i can help with your issue..
[02:54] <unix_infidel> flaccid: which version you running?
[02:54] <tehm0nk> flaccid: in my Nvidia X Server Settings, there is no monitor for the second videocard...
[02:55] <flaccid> im on gutsy
[02:55] <tehm0nk> it wants me to "Acquire EDID" any ideas?
[02:55] <flaccid> Linux lister 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Sun Oct 14 23:05:12 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:55] <unix_infidel> flaccid: which computer, dell?
[02:56] <flaccid> tehm0nk: im not sure what you are referring to. you do not require it with xrandr in xorg.conf. usually just a virtual size like                 Virtual         3360 1050
[02:56] <flaccid> its an asus w1000na
[02:56] <poison--> !NTFS
[02:56] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[02:57] <poison--> !NTFS-3g
[02:57] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[02:57] <evjunior09> I was wondering... can the iPod Touch work with Amarok?
[02:57] <flaccid> i think so evjunior09 but the guys in #amarok should be able to confirm
[02:59] <flaccid> right my new setup is complete with my new monitor. now i need to install windows on the notebook and desktop aaarg!
[03:03] <marx2k> Why would you want to go and do a thing like that ;)
[03:05] <cheguevara> :P
[03:06] <GerrySly> so I got a windows network called mshome, and I got a kubuntu desktop that I want to connect to that network, anybody got some suggestions how I would go about that?
[03:07] <yotux> have a question I use ubuntu gnome but I have installed k3b to burn cds k3b will not load
[03:08] <dwidmann> yotux, try opening it from a shell and see if it spits out any error messages.
[03:08] <yotux> is there a flag to get debugging data
[03:08] <unix_infidel> does ndiswrapper do wep/wpa?
[03:09] <flaccid> marx2k: ableton live
[03:09] <flaccid> !samba | GerrySly
[03:09] <ubotu> GerrySly: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[03:10] <yotux> I started k3b in shell no error code yes
[03:11] <yotux> no errors yet
[03:11] <unix_infidel> anyone ndiswrapper + wpa / wep?
[03:11] <yotux> I have done it in the past I think
[03:12] <flaccid> um i think so unix_infidel. it also depends on the card and driver
[03:12] <flaccid> !ndiswrapper
[03:12] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:12] <yotux> dwidmann:  I notice that k3b is sleeping with ids of 7793, and 7994
[03:13] <dwidmann> yotux, try killing those before trying again
[03:14] <nando> alguien habla español aqui?
[03:14] <yotux> dwidmann:  I also have some kdeinit that are sleeping
[03:15] <dwidmann> Hmm, yotux, perhaps the easiest way to do it would be to log out, restart the xserver, then try again ..... that's the only thing I can think of that would be surefire...ish
[03:16] <yotux> dwidmann: I like kde but don't like kmail,  I have started to use evolution quite a bit could I install kubuntu and install evolution in kde?
[03:16] <yotux> Thinking that getting away form gnome would help
[03:16] <dwidmann> yotux, should be able to
[03:17] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: you find out how to fix kdmtheme
[03:18] <flaccid> nah im not going to bother
[03:18] <flaccid> kdmtheme is fine, the problem is what ubuntu has done to not include the overrides. i don't feel like fighting with the devs because they probably won't wanna fix
[03:20] <tehm0nk> !pastebin
[03:20] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:21] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: prolly not since they are working onkde 4
[03:21] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: whats the dev channel
[03:21] <flaccid> um nothing to do with that, i just remember going there in the past..
[03:21] <flaccid> #ubuntu-dev
[03:22] <flaccid> i'd see jriddell or Jucato might wanna help. but the procedure is to do launchpad (!bugs)
[03:25] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: where can i file a bug at
[03:25] <Jay-Oh-En> !bugs
[03:25] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[03:33] <nandolinuxmaniac> alguien puede decirme cual es la sala en español?
[03:33] <bazhang> !es
[03:33] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[03:33] <nandolinuxmaniac> gracias...
[03:33] <tehm0nk> anyone amazing with xorg.conf files?
[03:33] <tehm0nk> for dual monitors?
[03:34] <tehm0nk> trying to make sure NOT to make a mistake...
[03:34] <tehm0nk> i have a pastebin of it
[03:34] <tehm0nk> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48802/
[03:36] <Jay-Oh-En> tehm0nk: werent you here three days ago
[03:38] <tehm0nk> Jay-Oh-En: Yes.
[03:38] <tehm0nk> and i'm Finally getting somewhere thats to dwidmann heh...
[03:46] <flaccid> tehm0nk: i can help with xrandr but not xinerama
[03:47] <tehm0nk> flaccid: no need
[03:47] <tehm0nk> :-D
[03:47] <tehm0nk> OMG it's working.
[03:47] <tehm0nk> i see 2 monitors ON
[03:47] <tehm0nk> and 2 desktops
[03:47] <tehm0nk> (what i wanted.)
[03:47] <crazy_bus> I'm trying to use Find Files/Folders but it seems to find nothing.  Even when I type in a keywoard from a file on my desktop.  It's set to look in my home folder and check subfolders is selected.  What is happening?
[03:47] <tehm0nk> dwidmann: tytytytytytytytytytytytytyytytytytytytyty
[03:48] <flaccid> well just to let you know you can do it dynamicly now with xrandr so you dont need to config xorg.conf or restart x
[03:48] <tehm0nk> !compiz
[03:48] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[03:49] <flaccid> !info krandrtray
[03:49] <ubotu> Package krandrtray does not exist in gutsy
[03:49] <tehm0nk> now it's time to make it look cool!
[03:49] <flaccid> weird
[03:49] <flaccid> !find krandrtray
[03:49] <ubotu> File krandrtray found in kcontrol, kdebase-dbg, kdebase-workspace
[03:49] <flaccid> ah comes in kcontrol
[03:50] <tehm0nk> is there a shortcut key to open a windowed terminal?
[03:50] <flaccid> not by default
[03:50] <flaccid> i dont think
[03:50] <flaccid> i use yakuake for that
[03:50] <flaccid> !info yakuake
[03:50] <ubotu> yakuake: a Quake-style terminal emulator based on KDE Konsole technology. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 167 kB, installed size 1048 kB
[03:50] <flaccid> you just press f12 and it pops down
[03:53] <Dragnslcr> You can set a keyboard shortcut for anything in the KMenu
[03:53] <tehm0nk> if i press CTL+ALT+F2 how do i get out of it?
[03:53] <flaccid> sweet
[03:53] <flaccid> press escape
[03:53] <tehm0nk> really?
[03:53] <tehm0nk> lol
[03:53] <tehm0nk> wow i feel stupid
[03:53] <tehm0nk> i got stuck in there the other day
[03:53] <flaccid> actually jump out the window!
[03:53] <flaccid> hehe
[03:54] <flaccid> excuse the pun there
[03:54] <tehm0nk> ment to press alt+f2 dunnoy why i added the CTL
[03:54] <stdin> tehm0nk: ctrl+alt+f7 to go back to X
[03:54] <flaccid> oh yeah hehe
[03:54] <tehm0nk> hmm
[03:54] <tehm0nk> thats weird...
[03:55] <tehm0nk> i can drag my mouse across the screen... to the other x window
[03:55] <tehm0nk> but not a program
[03:55] <flaccid> they are called ttys or virtual terminals
[03:55] <tehm0nk> ...interesting lol
[03:55] <flaccid> you need to make the program not maximised
[03:55] <tehm0nk> it's not...
[03:55] <flaccid> the you can drag it over, then it maximise will only max on that screen
[03:55] <tehm0nk> but i guess it's a separate x server?
[03:55] <flaccid> oh um dang then
[03:55] <flaccid> no its not
[03:55] <flaccid> well i can't remember with xinerama
[03:56] <tehm0nk> i'm not in Xinerama
[03:56] <tehm0nk> and i'm not in TwinView either...
[03:56] <tehm0nk> ack no! i forgot that command ....
[03:56] <tehm0nk> kdesudo nvidia-settings
[03:56] <tehm0nk> i think
[03:56] <flaccid> i thought that was what you had in xorg.conf..
[03:57] <flaccid> tehm0nk: if you pastebin me the output of xrandr -q i'll see if you can do this with xrandr dynamically
[03:58] <tehm0nk> i almost dont wanna mess with it anymore lol
[03:58] <tehm0nk> cause... it's working for once lol
[03:58] <flaccid> well xrandr doesn't mess with anything heh
[03:58] <flaccid> well its not working if you can't drag over
[03:58] <pastor> hola a todos!
[03:59] <pastor> alguien habla español???
[03:59] <flaccid> !es | pastor
[03:59] <ubotu> pastor: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[03:59] <tehm0nk> Woah this is really weird
[04:00] <tehm0nk> my left monitor has nothing about the programs... like the Titlebar or the _  and X buttons... not there lol
[04:00] <tehm0nk> !paste
[04:00] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:00] <tehm0nk> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48808/
[04:01] <flaccid> ok so you are using the prop. drivers?
[04:01] <tehm0nk> propper?
[04:01] <flaccid> the proprietry driver
[04:02] <tehm0nk> yes
[04:02] <flaccid> binary (blob)
[04:02] <tehm0nk> the others wont work
[04:02] <flaccid> yeah dang some cards don't work with xrandr for some reason with that
[04:02] <flaccid> nvidia?
[04:03] <flaccid> hmm i've never gotten dual to go on that same card before tehm0nk
[04:03] <flaccid> its dual dvi card?
[04:04] <tehm0nk> Both of them are Dual DVI...
[04:04] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/132723
[04:04] <flaccid> yeah
[04:04] <tehm0nk> but only 1 monitor is connected to each
[04:04] <tehm0nk> :-P
[04:04] <flaccid> ah yeah
[04:04] <flaccid> i could never get a viewsonic widescreen to go with that card in dual
[04:05] <flaccid> nice one Jay-Oh-En
[04:06] <flaccid> if it gets fixed awesome, people can actually change themes heh
[04:06] <flaccid> yay i pinpointed the exact same thing they did
[04:12] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: lol
[04:13] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: its not really broken you can do it manually but not everybody knows how to do that i know i didnt know
[04:15] <flaccid> thats how i have it set atm
[04:16] <flaccid> the point is that its always been like this and renders kdmtheme useless to the user
[04:16] <sub[t]rnl> not if you knew how to hack it up.
[04:16] <sub[t]rnl> :>
[04:17] <flaccid> yeah we did that last night..
[04:17] <flaccid> im using that true-nature one
[04:18]  * sub[t]rnl nods
[04:18] <sub[t]rnl> i wrote up a little diddy in case anyone asks again
[04:18] <sub[t]rnl> http://subtrnl.homelinux.com/services.html
[04:18] <flaccid> nice man
[04:18] <bazhang> sweet
[04:19] <ardchoille> sub[t]rnl: KDM theme how to?!
[04:19] <flaccid> !kdmtheme
[04:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdmtheme - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:19] <flaccid> !kdm
[04:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:19] <flaccid> just need it on wiki and go in there :p
[04:19] <sub[t]rnl> yeah
[04:19] <ardchoille> Yes, I was going to ask sub[t]rnl to add it to the wiki too
[04:20] <ardchoille> sub[t]rnl: Gotta have it :)
[04:20] <sub[t]rnl> 10 4
[04:20] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid: i just downloaded this one http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Weird+KDM++-+1280x1024?content=56466 its really nice
[04:21] <flaccid> i need 1920x1200 :p
[04:21] <ardchoille> sub[t]rnl: Once a good wiki page about it is up, someone (I will if noone else) can request a bot factoid for it.
[04:21] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: i like your webpage your good at html and photoshop/gimp im guessing
[04:22] <flaccid> cept needs to get rid of table layout :p
[04:24] <flaccid> the kdm theming is pretty easy to make your own.. good for corporations to make their own company login screen w/ corporate logo
[04:25] <Toma-> Anyone know how I can findout what actions are taken when 'Safely remove' is selected from konqeror?
[04:25] <flaccid> um
[04:25] <flaccid> good question
[04:26] <ardchoille> Toma-: I thought it was just a umount
[04:26] <ardchoille> (as user)
[04:26] <Toma-> ardchoille➜ nope.
[04:26] <Toma-> pretty sure it goes through hal
[04:26] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[04:26] <flaccid> unmount is first then some hal stuff
[04:30] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: who made your website and whose hosting it
[04:34] <Toma-> found it. it uses hal to run a pumount then an eject.
[04:34] <Toma-> thanks anyway :)
[04:35] <dfolks> hi, can someone help me install compriz on kubuntu, i tried to install via the terminal only to get an error message
[04:35] <ardchoille> !compiz | dfolks
[04:35] <ubotu> dfolks: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[04:36] <dfolks> thanks
[04:36] <dfolks> i'll give it a try
[04:36] <tehm0nk> !xinerama
[04:36] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: your kid is cute
[04:36] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[04:37] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: you have a good looking family
[04:39] <sub[t]rnl> Jay-Oh-En: I made it, and I'm hosting it, its under my desk right now, thanks by the way
[04:39] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: kool anyways
[04:39] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: whats the name of that system monitor
[04:39] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: is it using karamba
[04:40] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: i would like that on my desktop :]
[04:40] <sub[t]rnl> conky
[04:40] <sub[t]rnl> real handy
[04:40] <sub[t]rnl> !info conky
[04:40] <ubotu> conky: highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.7-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 140 kB, installed size 472 kB
[04:42] <Jay-Oh-En> thanks
[04:43] <Jay-Oh-En> how do i install
[04:43] <Jay-Oh-En> i know how to install
[04:43] <Jay-Oh-En> i mean how do i konfigure it
[04:43] <Jay-Oh-En> :]
[04:43] <sub[t]rnl> hrm, gotta tinker with it
[04:43] <sub[t]rnl> the .conkyrc has some comments to help you out
[04:44] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: wheres that located?
[04:44] <sub[t]rnl> ~/.conkyrc
[04:44] <sub[t]rnl> home dir
[04:46] <Jay-Oh-En> thanks
[04:46] <sub[t]rnl> np
[04:47] <Jay-Oh-En> bash: /home/jon/.conkyrc: No such file or directory
[04:47] <sub[t]rnl> hrm, can't remember where the example rc was that I moved over..
[04:48] <Jay-Oh-En> would it be in the .kde folder
[04:49] <sub[t]rnl>  /usr/share/doc/conky/examples/conkyrc.sample.gz
[04:50] <sub[t]rnl> <3 dpkg -L
[04:51] <Jay-Oh-En> sudo dpkg -L  /usr/share/doc/conky/examples/conkyrc.sample.gz?
[04:52] <sub[t]rnl> negatory, sudo gzip -d it
[04:52] <Jay-Oh-En> ok
[04:52] <Jay-Oh-En> thanks
[04:56] <tehm0nk> anyone else here using dual monitors?
[04:57] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205865
[04:59] <Jay-Oh-En> how do i add conky to startup?
[04:59] <Jay-Oh-En> ~./autostart?
[04:59] <sub[t]rnl> !autostart
[04:59] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[05:01] <Jay-Oh-En> Thank you!
[05:03] <Jay-Oh-En> when i click add do i just type conky?
[05:03] <sub[t]rnl> yup
[05:03] <yurimxpxman> I'm running gutsy x86_64. Amarok won't play my OGG files I ripped via konqueror. Any ideas? I have libxine1-ffmpeg installed..
[05:04] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: is executable?
[05:05] <sub[t]rnl> yurimxpxman: can you launch the files from inside konqueror with amarok?
[05:06] <yurimxpxman> sub[t]rnl: when I double click it, it opens with amarok, but amarok says there's no suitable codec for it. It's able to play mp3s just fine
[05:06] <eljefe> is there a kids theme for kubuntu?
[05:07] <bazhang> edubuntu has some iirc eljefe
[05:08] <tehm0nk> !compiz
[05:08] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[05:10] <sub[t]rnl> hrm, don't know yurimxpxman
[05:10] <sub[t]rnl> :/
[05:10] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: http://pastebin.com/m286f105d
[05:10] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: how can i fix that
[05:12] <posingaspopular> i duno, sudo apt-get purge foresight maybe?
[05:12] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: and how can i make it transparent
[05:12] <posingaspopular> ;p
[05:12] <Jay-Oh-En> posingaspopular: ?
[05:12] <posingaspopular> ask someone who actually uses the distro, i haven't gotten it to work in VM properly
[05:13] <sub[t]rnl> I had to use "feh" to set my default wallpaper, which allowed conky to do transparency with compiz fusion
[05:13] <Jay-Oh-En> posingaspopular: this is kubuntu channel im guessing everyody in here uses kde
[05:13] <yurimxpxman> sub[t]rnl: is there any way to use gstreamer or mplayer as the engine instead of xine?
[05:13] <sub[t]rnl> Jay-Oh-En: read that link you gave me a few moments ago, go through it all, it will tell you
[05:13] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: ight
[05:14] <sub[t]rnl> yurimxpxman: not that I'm aware of
[05:14]  * posingaspopular grumbles and leaves
[05:14] <sub[t]rnl> I think the devs have it locked on the xine engine as of now
[05:14] <sub[t]rnl> google around, bbiab
[05:15] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: ok well i have arial font installed BUT it says cants load font arial
[05:22] <eljefe> any kde apps that can turn off keys on a keyboard?
[05:26] <tehm0nk> anyone here happen to play wow?
[05:27] <maduser> I know people who do
[05:33] <Jay-Oh-En> god its ugly
[05:33] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: i cant get it to look good no matter what i do
[05:38] <Jay-Oh-En> http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/pronege/mydekstop1.png thats what it looks like and it changes size everytime it refreshes itself sub[t]rnl
[05:39] <dwidmann> Hmm, anybody know of a cd ripper that can cope with multiple instances (such that I can do two at once with two drives)?
[05:39] <Jay-Oh-En> cant k3b
[05:40] <dwidmann> Not as far as I could tell
[05:40] <sub[t]rnl> Jay-Oh-En: want my .conkyrc?
[05:41] <Roy_M> Jay-Oh-En, is that a pic of the new KDE?
[05:41] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: YES!! :]
[05:41] <Jay-Oh-En> Roy_M: nope
[05:42] <sub[t]rnl> Jay-Oh-En: you use compiz?
[05:42] <Jay-Oh-En> sub[t]rnl: nope
[05:42] <Jay-Oh-En> thnaks
[05:44] <sub[t]rnl> if it isn't transparent, hollar at me
[05:44] <Jay-Oh-En> it isnt
[05:44] <Jay-Oh-En> and its kinda in the way of stuff
[05:45] <sub[t]rnl> do this real quick
[05:45] <sub[t]rnl> sudo apt-get install feh
[05:45] <dwidmann> Jay-Oh-En: Looks like my best option is ripit, presuming that this test goes successfully, though it's got one sore spot I've spotted so far, but other than that it's looking good
[05:45] <sub[t]rnl> then sudo killall conky
[05:45] <sub[t]rnl> feh --bg-scale `dcop kdesktop KBackgroundIface currentWallpaper 1`
[05:45] <sub[t]rnl> then start up conky
[05:45] <sub[t]rnl> see if that helps
[05:46] <Jay-Oh-En>  will it use feh everytime tho?
[05:46] <sub[t]rnl> yeah, we'll make a little bash script that does the feh, then starts conky
[05:46] <sub[t]rnl> see if it helps you first
[05:46] <Jay-Oh-En> it did
[05:47] <Jay-Oh-En> but it moves around everytime it refreshes and it flickers
[05:50] <sigma_kubuntu> whats conky
[05:52] <epimeth> hi guys
[05:52] <epimeth> where can I get information on updates that I install?
[05:53] <epimeth> for exmple, I just got the latest kernel update... I would like to know what has been changed/fixed/added ?
[05:53] <epimeth> specifically, if my wireless card is *finally* supported :-)
[05:53] <epimeth> but really, I want to know everything....
[05:54] <epimeth> also noticed that the smb libs and client were updated...
[05:54] <Jay-Oh-En> sigma_kubuntu: it shows your cpu temp and stuff
[05:57] <nacho> all chanels
[05:57] <bazhang> !irc | nacho
[05:57] <ubotu> nacho: A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[05:58] <dwidmann> hmmmmmmmmm, this seems to do the trick well, and it's fast! """ripit -d /dev/hda -c 1 -q 7 -u --dirtemplate '"$artist/$album"' --nointeraction --tracktemplate '"$tracknum - $trackname"' -p 0"""
[06:01] <ade> indonesia
[06:03] <bazhang> !id
[06:03] <ubotu> join ke #ubuntu-id untuk membahas ubuntu dalam bahasa Indonesia
[06:12] <foibles> does kubuntu gutsy support wpa wireless?
[06:13] <bazhang> yes foibles, depending on if your card supports it
[06:13] <foibles> bazhang: alright
[06:13] <eljefe> or on if gutsy supports your card
[06:13] <foibles> bazhang: I just get confused because kwireless never says "wpa", always wep
[06:14] <bazhang> knetwork-manager should do if you have it setup right and your card supports it foibles
[06:15] <foibles> bazhang: ill tweak around, thanks
[06:15] <bazhang> your welcome foibles :}
[06:17] <eljefe> how can i allow a second user the right to run kdesudo (root) applications?  still requiring the root password of course
[06:17] <techgeek40> Hello all
[06:17] <dwidmann> eljefe, add them to the admin group
[06:17] <eljefe> that user is in it :(
[06:17] <techgeek40> I need to get a few things installed on the Kubuntu - java (current) and adobe flash and shockwave - but seem to be running into a problem
[06:18] <techgeek40> The current version of java is jre-6u3-linux-i586.bin
[06:18] <techgeek40> I tried the sudo apt-get install-sun java jre-6u3-linux-i586 but I think I goofed
[06:19] <techgeek40> I even tried (according to java's web site) the chmod but that was a no go too
[06:20] <dwidmann> eljefe: weird ...
[06:20] <sub[t]rnl> !java
[06:20] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:21] <backupp> is it possible to make an iso of my current kubuntu into cd, and boot it on another system with same settings and dupe it over?
[06:21] <techgeek40> I'm on 7.10
[06:21] <bazhang> !aptoncd | backupp
[06:21] <ubotu> backupp: APTonCD is a tool with a graphical interface which allows you to create one or more CDs or DVDs with all of the packages you've downloaded via apt-get or aptitude, creating a removable repository that you can use on other computers
[06:21] <eljefe> dwidmann: this is from an edubuntu install to Kubuntu...
[06:21] <level1> Hi, I have skim installed.  I want to remove it, but last time I tried, every window with a text box in it went nuts
[06:21] <backupp> that's not what i want
[06:21] <backupp> i want a duplication of my os on another computer
[06:22] <backupp> not packages on cd
[06:22] <eljefe> backupp: http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu-linux-mint-livecd-with-remastersys
[06:23] <level1> !scim
[06:23] <ubotu> Chinese, Japanese, Korean Language input. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SCIM
[06:24] <unix_infidel> does ubuntu get it's kernels from debian or compile them itself?
[06:24] <sub[t]rnl> backupp: thats going to be as pain free as it gets really.  You'll probably run into permission problems if your trying to image your entire drive
[06:24] <unix_infidel> and / or use highly similar compilation flags.
[06:26] <backupp> sub[t]rnl: using remastersys?
[06:28] <sub[t]rnl> http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/
[06:28] <sub[t]rnl> err, thats unix
[06:28] <sub[t]rnl> https://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l
[06:28] <sub[t]rnl> there we go
[06:30] <techgeek40> I do apologize, I
[06:30] <dennister> hey channel...been having a lot of problems playing my /dev/video0 (tuner with any form of mplayer lately...now it won't play at all...any ideas?
[06:31] <techgeek40> I'm "windows" based geek - not linux - so this is still new to me
[06:31] <techgeek40> I did the software sources but don't see anything about backports
[06:31] <dennister> or, should say, mplayer works with local videos and recorded tv, but not to play live tv
[06:31] <techgeek40> I do however have checked the multiverse
[06:32] <techgeek40> I'm lost at trying to get the Java (that first - the other's later) installed -
[06:32] <techgeek40> Is it possible to get the latest version of java install in the temrinal window *ubuntu 7.10* using the sudo apt-get?
[06:32] <dennister> !backports
[06:33] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[06:33] <sub[t]rnl> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:34] <level1> techgeek40: the java package some name like "sun-java6.0-nonfree" or some such
[06:34] <level1> techgeek40: what you do, is type "apt-cache search java" (doesn't have to be sudo)
[06:35] <level1> techgeek40: apt-cache search java sun will get you exactly what you want
[06:35] <dennister> !Java
[06:35] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:36] <level1> java 6 is the newest version, it should be out by now... ubotu may be a little out of date
[06:36] <dennister> techgeek40: yes, installing sun's java is real easy now with its better licensing and the howtos^^^
[06:36] <level1> don't know about that "edgy" disclaimer
[06:37] <dennister> anybody got any ideas why new mplayers won't play my live tv tuner feed?...was working ok untuil the upgrades got installed :(
[06:39] <dennister> or, was working ok after a reboot, then I'd quit the tv feed, and would have to restartx before "mplayer /dev/video0" would work again...not it doesn't work even after a reboot
[06:39] <dennister> *now
[06:42] <dennister> i start the line above in terminal, I get the typical complaints i expect (no lirc or joystick installed yet), then it says "Playing /dev/video0" and nothing else
[06:44] <dennister> k...guess we don't have any tuner people in the channel at the moment...will reboot into gentoo...works there
[06:44] <foibles> man, christmas shopping online is so easy
[06:52] <XceII> Sends Ubuntu a christmas donation in thanks for a cool operating system.
[06:53] <XceII> Uninstalls bill gates for lying and spying and wasting my money.
[06:54] <dfolks> what is usually talked about here and are there other rooms, new to irc
[06:54] <neville> I already sent money ($100) to the Wine people, K/Ubuntu can wait =P
[06:55] <bazhang> !irc | dfolks
[06:55] <ubotu> dfolks: A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[06:56] <dfolks> ok cool, i'll check it out
[07:06] <ardchoille> Anyone else having trouble with "apt-get upgrade" being slow?
[07:07] <bazhang> many folks in the other channel ardchoille
[07:08] <ardchoille> bazhang: Ah, ok.
[07:08] <ardchoille> Yeah, seems security.bubuntu.com is slow right now.
[07:09] <bazhang> I got it on hardy as well, but that is offtopic :}
[07:09] <ardchoille> I'll fetch updates later :)
[07:10] <bazhang> and it was kde-libs no less :}
[07:10] <ardchoille> ouch
[07:18] <foibles> if wpa is in knetworkmanager, why dont i see it under the settings
[07:18] <foibles> i just see wep, then hex/ascii
[07:18] <foibles> instead of wpa tkip/aes
[07:19] <techgeek40> Thank you all for the help - have a good night
[07:19] <sub[t]rnl> night
[07:19] <techgeek40> And thanks to Level 1 - he was a big help too
[07:20] <sub[t]rnl> foibles: right click on knetworkmanager, then connect to other wireless network, wpa is listed there
[07:22] <foibles> sub[t]rnl: ah, i see
[07:22] <foibles> sub[t]rnl: i have it setup to manual, and i dont know how to get it back to where it nicely lists all the networks in range
[07:23] <sub[t]rnl> yeah, knetworkmanager can be a little screwy
[07:24] <sub[t]rnl> i find the bars are off at times too, showing signal strength
[07:24] <sub[t]rnl> its getting better though
[07:24] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[07:24] <sub[t]rnl> iwlist wlan0(or whatever) scan <- is what I use
[07:24]  * sub[t]rnl shrugs
[07:30] <foibles> sub[t]rnl: yeah, i gave up playing guesswork with it a long time ago
[07:30] <foibles> it works and does what it wants on its own whims
[07:33]  * flaccid gets back from shops
[07:36] <kraut> moin
[07:37] <flaccid> howdy
[07:39] <mun> hello
[07:39] <rjohn> my touchpad mouse skates and is unusable.  It flies all over screen
[07:39] <mun> i have problem in kbuntu
[07:39] <rjohn> Do I need some synaptic driver
[07:39] <rjohn> It's driving me crazy
[07:39] <mun> it didn't detect my wireless
[07:39] <mun> anyone genous
[07:40] <sigma__> rjohn: that driver is already present in linux, check your xorg.conf
[07:40] <mun> kbuntu expert
[07:40] <sigma__> mun: where did u check for detection?
[07:40] <mun> i am using ethernet
[07:40] <mun> its working
[07:40] <mun> but not wirless
[07:40] <mun> i have hp pavillion dv6205
[07:41] <sub[t]rnl> !wireless | mun
[07:41] <ubotu> mun: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:41] <mun> it was Vista
[07:41] <sigma__> mun: run kcontrol in the run dialog, then go to Internet & network
[07:41] <sigma__> then click on network settings
[07:41] <mun> ok
[07:42] <rjohn> yes, it's in my xorg.conf
[07:42] <sigma__> tell me what devices it lists?
[07:42] <rjohn> could i have wrong or outdated driver?
[07:42] <mun> ethO
[07:42] <sigma__> mun: is there no wlan0?
[07:42] <mun> nope
[07:42] <rjohn> It's a X driver, not a .ko, correct?
[07:42] <sigma__> rjohn: which laptop are u using? works perfect with my dell d600
[07:42] <rjohn> I'll run a locate on a .so for synaptic
[07:43] <sigma__> mun: how old is that laptop model?
[07:43] <mun> i just bought recently
[07:43] <mun> with Vista intall
[07:43] <sigma__> mun: im guessing its a brand new model?
[07:43] <mun> yep
[07:43] <mun> i guess
[07:44] <Stevethepirate> sigma_: hi.. i'm getting a dell inspiron.. is ubuntu rather capable with ur dell?
[07:44] <mun> hp pavillion dv6205us
[07:44] <rjohn> dell latitude
[07:44] <rjohn> Sometimes it works fine
[07:44] <rjohn> Then it just goes flaky
[07:44] <rjohn> let me go run dmesg
[07:44] <sigma__> mun: that means theres prob no support for your wireless chipset currently because its new, did u try googling it?
[07:45] <flaccid> best linux support is on dell..
[07:45] <mun> yep
[07:45] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: yeah and now with the new opensource ati driver even the tv out works!
[07:45] <flaccid> there is a dell inspiron next to me
[07:45] <Stevethepirate> sigma_: Nvidia 8600gt :P
[07:45] <flaccid> yeah pitty its not for all ati cards :(
[07:45] <mun> so whats your suggestion
[07:45] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: lol are u buying direct from dell?
[07:45] <gameufo> Hi everyone
[07:46] <rjohn> And I tried installing ksynaptic, but had dependency issues .I'm on 6.06
[07:46] <rjohn> uggh
[07:46] <sigma__> flaccid: i would think it was
[07:46] <flaccid> if i do non-custom computer, server or desktop, i always get dell
[07:46] <rjohn> The mouse has a mind of its own
[07:46] <Stevethepirate> flaccid: i'm getting a " Intel® Next-Gen Wireless-N Mini-Card" on it.. but the thing is... google can't help me
[07:46] <flaccid> sigma__: its not :(
[07:46] <rjohn> It's steady now, but will go crazy soon.
[07:46] <rjohn> Maybe my
[07:46] <rjohn> SHM line in Xorg is wrong
[07:46] <flaccid> well N is not ratified yet i don't think
[07:46] <sigma__> flaccid: yeah dell rocks, but in south sfrica the new units are pricey
[07:46] <mun> Sigma: so what should i do
[07:46] <flaccid> i will have a look
[07:46] <Stevethepirate> sigma_: also from RSA?
[07:47] <rjohn> flaccid: N is not yet ratified
[07:47] <sigma__> flaccid: we tend to use refurbs only which are just as good
[07:47] <Stevethepirate> flaccid: yeah.. its still draft.
[07:47] <rjohn> That doesn't keep the chip makers from making the chips
[07:47] <flaccid> yeah totally
[07:47] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: yup, you too?
[07:47] <Stevethepirate> sigma_: indeed.. durbs for me
[07:47] <Stevethepirate> but uni in cape town
[07:47] <Stevethepirate> But the thing is, like, for now I only need 802.11a/b/g features...
[07:47] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: yup same here, but uni in durbs
[07:48] <flaccid> have you seen this Stevethepirate http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=515242
[07:48] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: you play dota by any chance?
[07:48] <rjohn> Looks like Thunderbird is going to die on the vine
[07:48] <rjohn> too bad.  I like it.
[07:48] <Stevethepirate> I don't mind waiting for n-support
[07:48] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: apparently the inspiron is alot like the latitude series
[07:48] <rjohn> Stevethepirate: N has huge promise.  I'm in the industry.  Big pent up demand
[07:48] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: no not really the gamer type, i hear its rather addictive!
[07:49] <flaccid> should be able to get it going Stevethepirate: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-449354.html
[07:49] <mun> Anyone Help in wireless detection problem
[07:49] <flaccid> ndiswrapper at this stage i belive
[07:49] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: oh, it's just I know a dude called "Sigma" on the SA battlenet server
[07:49] <rjohn> mun: shoot
[07:49] <sigma__> mun: well post a topic @ubuntuforums.org , theres more people there
[07:49] <rjohn> iwconfig and iwpriv are a good start
[07:49] <flaccid> mun: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces
[07:49] <rjohn> mun: whats the issue
[07:50] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: lol thats the first word in my business name
[07:50] <rjohn> flaccid: ya, good idea.  i've seen a lot where ssid is wrong.
[07:50] <Stevethepirate> lol.
[07:50] <flaccid> well the interfaces file seems to need only localhost in it for user knetworkmanager to scan
[07:50] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: i'm also grabbing [on the Dell i'm ordering], "ntegrated Sound Blaster Audigy ADVANCED HD Audio ", that should work right?
[07:51] <sigma__> mun: are you sure no one has had the same problem? usually they solve those probs really quickly
[07:51] <mun> yep
[07:51] <mun> i looked in but
[07:51] <mun> i didn't found the soution
[07:51] <rjohn> KDE4 seems like huge advance, based on mags.  I don't notice huge diff erencces yet
[07:51] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: ouch, one of our pc's has a creative audigy 5.1, it has to stay on windows:(
[07:51] <flaccid> many reasons with ubuntu networking.... pastebin of interfaces will tell
[07:52] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: what OS are u telling dell to install on the pc?
[07:52] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: i.e. it doesn't work on ubuntu?
[07:52] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: i'm asking [phoned them yesterday] if they could install ubuntu
[07:52] <Stevethepirate> hoping they'd give me like R800 back or so
[07:52] <flaccid> audigy is *usually* fine
[07:52] <Stevethepirate> so i can grab another gig of ram [up to 3 gigs] or another 85Whr battery
[07:52] <Stevethepirate> flaccid: hopefully :P
[07:53] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: well i had to use this script that runs at boot, problem is it only works sometimes and when it doesn't all the media players jam
[07:53] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: well, i'll be dual booting xp-corporate and ubuntu
[07:53] <flaccid> i got my new dell monitor yesterday w00t
[07:53] <Stevethepirate> but dell think it'll only be ubuntu :P
[07:53] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: try get ubuntu pre-installed, they should give u free support on it
[07:53] <Stevethepirate> Yeah, they actually don't know if they -can- do ubuntu in SA
[07:54] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: I know they do that in america
[07:54] <Stevethepirate> I spoke to the head of some department yesterday.
[07:54] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: yeah, thats what I said
[07:54] <flaccid> depends on model etc.
[07:54] <Stevethepirate> surely if they do it in the USA
[07:54] <Stevethepirate> and -all- the stock comes from ireland
[07:54] <Stevethepirate> then they can spam some <3 and put on ubuntu
[07:54] <flaccid> well no, each country will have a different regime
[07:55] <Stevethepirate> flaccid: agreed, they have different "regimes"
[07:55] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: but the support here is pretty limited, i think they only have a office in cape town. but at least they have a pick up and return warranty:)
[07:55] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: yeah<PHONE_NUMBER> :p
[07:55] <omar_> Hi
[07:55] <omar_> I have a problem
[07:55] <Stevethepirate> !ask > omar
[07:55] <Stevethepirate> sighs
[07:55] <flaccid> call it what you want, of course its going to be different in each country
[07:55] <omar_> Adebt installer does not allow me to install new stuff
[07:56] <flaccid> i just waited 5 weeks for my dell lcd monitor in australia :p
[07:56] <Stevethepirate> flaccid: yeah, but there is surely no difference if the SA dude says to the Irish dude "please install ubuntu, not vista"
[07:57] <Stevethepirate> sigma__, flaccid: whats the delivery time on a dell laptop to liek South Africa?
[07:57] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: i have that script i had to use, thing is the stereo sound worked fine but i was using a 5.1 system so it sounded off if the bass didnt go directly to the subwoofer
[07:57] <flaccid> if thats even possible then sweet, if its not then you can't do much i would assume
[07:57] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: I would think they have local stock
[07:57] <flaccid> no idea, i don't know anything about dell SA
[07:57] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: i have a DSP already.. i just need HD stero.
[07:57] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: i see
[07:57] <omar_> Adebt installer does not allow me to install new stuff
[07:58] <flaccid> please don't repeat
[07:58] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: of a Inspiron 1720, 2 gigs RAM, 2.4ghz core 2 duo, 200 gig SATA 7200, 8600m GT?
[07:58] <flaccid> !doesntwork | omar_
[07:58] <ubotu> omar_: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[07:58] <Stevethepirate> I doubt they have that lying around.
[07:58] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: how long for that to arrive?
[07:58] <Stevethepirate> I though all non-peripherals come from Ireland?
[07:58] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: surely they dont have to build it at a factory
[07:59] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: i have never ordered from dell because i only bought refurb stuff
[07:59] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: i was under the impression it was
[07:59] <omar_> When I use Adebt installer I can't install new programms, because all the programs are not selectable
[07:59] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: shouldn't be that long i guess, they are a service orientated company after all
[08:00] <sigma__> omar_: just use dpkg -i
[08:00] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: well, if i order now.. i'd like it around 20th Jan
[08:00] <omar_> sigma: what's that?
[08:00] <sigma__> omar_: and download packages from packages.ubuntu.com
[08:00] <Stevethepirate> So that when i go back to uni, I can update [we have a local mirror leg.uct.ac.za :P]
[08:00] <cooly> Hello and Please help *g* After ATI-Driver-Installation (Envy)... Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[08:01] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: remember the corporates close 4 xmas
[08:01] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: so? If i order -now- like today, it should be fine?
[08:01] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: hows the internet speed at uct? ours is hopeless, u can only violate it during the holidays
[08:01] <omar_> sigma: what is dpkg -i?
[08:02] <omar_> sigma: how do I use it?
[08:02] <flaccid> cooly: we don't support it
[08:02] <Stevethepirate> omar_: its like double clicking on a exe
[08:02] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: are they even open? the sales wing that is. i know most of my suppliers have closed or stopped taking orders
[08:02] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: i phoned yesterday and seemed to get through.
[08:02] <sigma__> omar_: or u can use apt-get
[08:02] <omar_> sigma: oh..ok
[08:02] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: I get 9meg/sec off the leg server... [for updates]
[08:03] <cooly> flaccid.. It's always a Difference between Support and Helping *g*
[08:03] <omar_> sigma: but how do I use adebt installer?
[08:03] <Stevethepirate> And i use a multitude of tinyproxies to tunnel normal internet traffic through .. so get about 400k/sec at night
[08:03] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: i wish our ubuntu mirror was updated, its stuck in edgy:(
[08:03] <flaccid> the difference is irrelevant. look at the topic. there is a reason why we do not support it.
[08:03] <flaccid> !envy
[08:03] <ubotu> envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[08:03] <sigma__> envy is dodgy stuff
[08:04] <Stevethepirate> 400k/sec is not bad
[08:04] <sigma__> when dealing with such important components in your pc, always use official ubuntu supported software
[08:04] <Stevethepirate> remember that we have an internal resnet.. about 25-30TB
[08:04] <cooly> ok @ flaccid.. but.. If I installed the ATI-Driver on my Own or use the Kubuntu-Driver.. It's the same fault *g*
[08:05] <flaccid> cooly: so you have used restricted-manager-kde ?
[08:05] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: dam, yeah i read about the uct internet uplinks somewhere, pretty impressive stuff
[08:05] <cooly> yes
[08:05] <flaccid> file a bug, what else can you do with a seg fault...
[08:05] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: i'm running the main UCT hub next year.. hope the MPAA don't raid me..
[08:05] <sigma__> omar_: to be honest ive never used it, i download packages manually to install
[08:06] <omar_> sigma: oh.. alright then.. :)
[08:06] <sigma__> oh yes the notorious segmentation fault
[08:06] <Stevethepirate> I get seg faults on DC++ client
[08:06] <Stevethepirate> such failure
[08:06] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: MPAA?
[08:06] <Stevethepirate> Like the BSA
[08:06] <Stevethepirate> of movies
[08:06] <Stevethepirate> motion picture association
[08:06] <Stevethepirate> or whatever
[08:07] <Stevethepirate> if they raided UCT
[08:07] <Stevethepirate> they would make R1.2 billion in fines
[08:07] <Stevethepirate> at least
[08:07] <sigma__> i used to get a segmentation fault in Konversation when i wanted to join a new channel. but it disapeared
[08:07] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: yeah but thats not illegal in SA, selling movies is
[08:07] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: i'm trying to set up NAT so that my 4 PC's can all connect through a single PC through a single network point .. such a mission to get DC working..
[08:07] <cooly> ok.. bye
[08:07] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: its not illegal to own pirated material?
[08:08] <Stevethepirate> is this a sick joke or something?
[08:08] <stdin> !piracy
[08:08] <ubotu> piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o
[08:08] <Stevethepirate> stdin: we are not talking like we "wish to pirate materials"
[08:08] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: ok well thats the end of that discussion
[08:08] <Stevethepirate> i.e. transferring pirated materials.
[08:08] <stdin> Stevethepirate: didn't say you were
[08:09] <Stevethepirate> stdin: okay :P
[08:09] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: so scp me those illegal files
[08:09] <Stevethepirate> :P
[08:09] <Stevethepirate> just joking
[08:09] <sigma__> stdin: yeah we were discussing more the laws related to it, in our country there are huge holes in it
[08:09] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: carry on the discussion...
[08:09] <stdin> sigma__: then I should have done !ot ?
[08:09] <stdin> either way, don't :)
[08:10] <omar_> #deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1)]/ gutsy main restricted
[08:10] <omar_> # See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to
[08:10] <omar_> # newer versions of the distribution.
[08:10] <omar_> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted
[08:10] <omar_> deb-src http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted
[08:10] <Stevethepirate> stdin: sighs.. the purpose of off-topic is quite random.
[08:10] <Stevethepirate> to be honest, if people wanna talk about random stuff, and its not interferring with the main chat.
[08:10] <stdin> !paste | omar_
[08:10] <ubotu> omar_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:10] <Stevethepirate> i rate let it fly by.
[08:10] <omar_> sorry by mistake..
[08:11] <stdin> Stevethepirate: the purpose of off-topic may be quite random, but the purpose of this channel is not ;)
[08:11] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: so, u're saying that I can have 1000 movies, and as long as i don't sell them, i'm fine? [this is all hypotheical]
[08:11] <Stevethepirate> stdin: yeah..
[08:11] <Stevethepirate> but #kubuntu is a good disguise for illegal chatz :P
[08:11] <Stevethepirate> stdin: thanks for that KDE4 guide..
[08:12] <Stevethepirate> it actually wasn't as hard as expected
[08:12] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: well according to that law yeah
[08:12] <omar_> When I tried to install firefox using the terminal, the following error appeared:
[08:12] <omar_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48820/
[08:12] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: but lets be honest, police in this country have more important things to do
[08:12] <Stevethepirate> stdin: like. where would you recommend I get nice widgets/ theme's etc for kde4?
[08:13] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: i know 3 people in JHB and 1 in CPT that have been raided for ADSL cap theft.
[08:13] <stdin> Stevethepirate: there aren't really any yet, kde4 isn't even released yet
[08:13] <Stevethepirate> 3 of them [1 CPT  + 2 JHB ] got fined..
[08:14] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: whats ADSL cap theft?
[08:14] <flaccid> omar_: its an invalid line in the sources.list
[08:14] <Stevethepirate> stdin: had a slight problem.. when i started a widget, it was like -stuck- in the middle of the screen
[08:14] <Stevethepirate> couldn't move it.. only close it.
[08:14] <omar_> flaccid: how do I fix it?
[08:14] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: when you use another dude's ADSL account and basically his cap.
[08:14] <flaccid> remove the line in question from /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:15] <stdin> *Notice* To all users of KDE4 packages, you may notice some updates for your KDE4 packages in a few hours. This fixes a couple of issues with starting KDE4 applications from the KMenu and from the Run Dialog, nothing to worry about
[08:15] <Stevethepirate> stdin: had a slight problem.. when i started a widget, it was like -stuck- in the middle of the screen.. widgets were stuck.
[08:15] <DjDarkman> hello I have two machines, with kubuntu, both have ext3 partitions, I copied files containing special charecters like úóüöéá, and when I want to play those music files amarok complains that it can`t open them, but I can copy them back to this laptop and it works, why is this, how can I solve this?
[08:16] <omar_> flaccid: the sources list is empty
[08:16] <stdin> Stevethepirate: I don't see that, I can move plasmoids fine. best place for kde4 support is #kde4-devel
[08:16] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: well thats illegal in any case! i know a guy who works for a isp that does that. well it seems the law has changed a bit - http://mybroadband.co.za/news/General/644.html  however as that law expert says, proving it is rather hard
[08:17] <flaccid> omar_: use adept, re-manager your repos, fetch updates then do what you need
[08:17] <Stevethepirate> stdin: yeah, when i have my KDE4 pc here at work again i'll try it out...
[08:17] <DjDarkman> anyone have an idea? if it help I copied the files trough sftp
[08:17] <flaccid> omar_: your error message says its not empty
[08:17] <sigma__> stdin: did they eventually fix the kde4 taskbar?
[08:18] <stdin> sigma__: fix what about it?
[08:18] <flaccid> DjDarkman: i don't know. but unusual characters don't extend between filesystems for a start little lone protocols
[08:18] <sigma__> stdin: i couldn't right click it
[08:18] <flaccid> i mean let alone protocols
[08:18] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: did u check that link out?
[08:18] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: yeah, basically, they have to prove you are downloading something, to get a court order to get proof that you are downloading something...
[08:18] <stdin> sigma__: there still aren't any options for it, so no right click
[08:19] <omar_> flaccid: yeah I know, I wasn't, but when I veiwed the list I deleted everything and, then tried again but the same error appeared
[08:19] <omar_> flaccid: It* wasn't
[08:20] <sigma__> stdin: i would think that was one of the first options they would have built, kinda arb to leave it to the end
[08:20] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: and the studio has to do it, not any 3rd party representative body
[08:20] <stdin> sigma__: it's mostly just a container plasmoid, not much about it to configure
[08:21] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: so, basically... GO RSA!
[08:21] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: i g2g.. bbl.
[08:21] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: lol
[08:21] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: check u
[08:23] <sigma__> stdin: but what about the trashcan, taskbar and shortcuts? i hate that taskbar that is in the top corner of the screen, but on the plus side the live cd does run pretty quickly on my pc
[08:23] <sigma__> compared to kde3
[08:24] <stdin> all those things will either be plasmoids or "button" plasmoids
[08:24] <purpleposeidon> hmmm, is 20 kb/s usual? :o
[08:24] <purpleposeidon> for updates?
[08:24] <sigma__> interesting, looking forward to it, pity you can't order kde4 from shipit
[08:25] <stdin> sigma__: one day :)
[08:25] <sigma__> stdin: when do you think kde4.1 will be out?
[08:25] <flaccid_> it would help if it was finished
[08:25] <stdin> sigma__: "when it's ready"
[08:25] <stdin> should be in time for 8.10 release (can't see that not happening)
[08:26] <omar_> When I start adebt manager the following message appears:
[08:26] <omar_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48821/
[08:26] <sigma__> stdin: lol, it amazes me that the new releases run faster than their predecessors, with windows its the extreme opposite, my laptop barely manages to load vista
[08:26] <flaccid_> omar_: do what it says
[08:27] <omar_> ok
[08:27] <flaccid_> if that fails i think your apt db is fuxed
[08:29] <omar_> I did what is says, but the same old poblem appeared again.
[08:29] <omar_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48822/
[08:29] <DjDarkman> how can I 'tanslate' a KDE completely, witch was installed english?
[08:29] <flaccid_> omar_: does cat /etc/apt/sources.list return anything?
[08:30] <flaccid_> DjDarkman: your question might be better answered in #kde
[08:30] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid_: what happen to flaccid
[08:30] <purpleposeidon> There was this one thing online, where you could download self-contained programs, does anybody remember what it is called? It had it's own protocol:/ thing
[08:30] <flaccid_> i got hard :p
[08:30] <sigma__> prob got disconnected
[08:31] <DjDarkman> flaccid_: I think that some packagees that I need are kubuntu specific, or am I wrong?
[08:31] <omar_> flaccid: it returns:
[08:31] <flaccid_> DjDarkman: i don't know what you going on about sorry. i cant help.
[08:31] <omar_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48823/
[08:31] <sigma__> purpleposeidon: define self contained?
[08:31] <sigma__> DjDarkman: what exactly are you trying to do?
[08:32] <Syntra> Hey uhh, anyone have a clue why there isn't any option to boot to Kubuntu after installing Windows?
[08:32] <purpleposeidon> sigma__: Uh, like you downloaded a .iso, and it mounted it, and it had everything you needed to run a program
[08:33] <flaccid_> omar_: thats a borked sources. please overwrite it
[08:33] <flaccid_> !source-o-matic | omar_
[08:33] <ubotu> omar_: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:33] <DjDarkman> sigma__: I gave a PC of mine to my father, it has a kubuntu gutsy installed english, but my father doesn`t understand english, and I want to make it hungarian, without reinstalling it
[08:33] <omar_> thanx!
[08:33] <sigma__> DjDarkman: oh yeah then #kde would be the place to ask
[08:34] <flaccid_> DjDarkman: please ask in #kde, im sure its not hard
[08:34] <DjDarkman> ok, hope they can tell me
[08:34] <sigma__> DjDarkman: i pretty sure the kde team deals with translations, not the kubuntu team
[08:34] <sigma__> DjDarkman: im pretty sure they can
[08:36] <omar_> still the same problem..
[08:36] <sigma__> why does canonical never reply to my email requesting to use the ubuntu family logos on my website?
[08:36] <sigma__> omar_: reinstall perhaps?
[08:36] <flaccid_> we can't speak for canonical..
[08:36] <blubb> security.ubuntu.com is down?
[08:37] <purpleposeidon> blubb: Going veerrry slow for me
[08:37] <purpleposeidon> 7kbs
[08:37] <omar_> sigma_: reinstall kubuntu????
[08:38] <whiteda> blubb, not working for me either
[08:38] <sigma__> omar_: yup
[08:39] <omar_> sigma_: oh man!
[08:39] <omar_> sigma_: this sucks!
[08:39] <sigma__> guys you know what we need in kubuntu, a repair feature like whats on that xp cd. where it flushes the system files and re-installs them but keeps data in tact
[08:40] <sigma__> omar_: dont worry ive had my fair share, its all part of learning linux
[08:40] <omar_> sigma_: yeah that's true..
[08:40] <sigma__> omar_: what pc are u using?
[08:40] <Lynoure> sigma__: there is dpkg-reconfigure
[08:40] <Oleander> I want to change from win to linux and am not sure whether to go with ubuntu or kubuntu...what are the differneces anyways. i read that one is on gnome while the other on kde..at the end of the day what should a newbie to linux install?
[08:41] <mitchells00> erm hi.. i have a.. not really a problem more an annoyance... i'm running Kubuntu and when i play variable bitrate mp3's they speed up and slow down.. and tear...
[08:41] <sigma__> Lynoure: what does it do?
[08:41] <mitchells00> Kde is more like windows..
[08:41] <Lynoure> mitchells00: not really
[08:41] <sigma__> Oleander: gnome just looks very ugly (but thats to me)
[08:41] <mitchells00> the feel is.. to me anyway..
[08:41] <omar_> sigma_: and you know what? there's a festival that will be held in my country about LINUX soon, I must attend it..! :D
[08:41] <Oleander> ah ok
[08:42] <mitchells00> gnome to me looks prettier, but i like the option of switching between the 2.. whatever i feel like today is what i use..
[08:42] <Lynoure> sigma__: it reconfigures the packages specified, so if you have messed up some configuration files, it sets them to default.
[08:42] <Oleander> does kubuntu do the transparency on the windows like ubuntu?
[08:42] <sigma__> Oleander: well theres no harm in trying both, not like u have to pay for them:)
[08:42] <mitchells00> now there's an idea.. random DE every boot! xD
[08:42] <Oleander> sigma: true point
[08:42] <sigma__> Oleander: yeah sort of, better stuff is coming in kde4 in jan
[08:43] <Lynoure> sigma__: reinstalling packages can also do similar things, in the cases where you have messed up/removed files.
[08:43] <Oleander> mitchells00: so u have all ur apps on both os? and u boot from the one u feel like using that day?
[08:43] <sigma__> Lynoure: ok im gonna try that on my mock pc but first i need to try mess it up:)
[08:43] <mitchells00> no that's why i'm not a huge fan of ubuntu.. you can't choose to have both..
[08:43] <sigma__> Lynoure: so its not like windows where one glitch means game over
[08:43] <mitchells00> i mainly use Sabayon but i'm on kubuntu to try out LinuxMCE
[08:44] <sigma__> mitchells00: i thought u could use both
[08:44] <mitchells00> woah fildo same connection, same exchange..
[08:44] <mitchells00> weird!
[08:44] <Oleander> kubuntu has a media center?
[08:45] <Lynoure> sigma__: certainly not. Even if you cannot get X to run, there is always the console.  and even if it does not boot, there is possibility from booting from a rescue cd or somesuch and fixing from there.
[08:45] <mitchells00> google LinuxMCE
[08:45] <sigma__> Oleander: depends wat u define a media centre
[08:45] <mitchells00> At the moment it's looking like a POS but meh..
[08:46] <mitchells00> fildo.. do i know you....? xD'
[08:46] <sigma__> mitchells00: can u run LinuxMCE on kubuntu? and how is it?
[08:46] <mitchells00> it can only run on kubuntu
[08:46] <mitchells00> and so far i can't get it to run...
[08:46] <mitchells00> it takes a LONG time to install
[08:46] <sigma__> Lynoure: well thats comforting to hear
[08:46] <mitchells00> :P
[08:46] <sigma__> mitchells00: isnt it still in beta?
[08:47] <mitchells00> i don't know
[08:47] <DonalR> finger DonalR
[08:47] <mitchells00> i think the NEW version is
[08:47] <sigma__> Lynoure: is it possible to access a flashdrive from konsole?  does it auto-mount
[08:48] <Lynoure> sigma__: yes, normally they do.
[08:48] <Oleander> does ubuntu have a media center? or does it too need linuxMCE?
[08:48] <sigma__> Lynoure: how would u open them?
[08:48] <mitchells00> i know this'll sound weird but i think sabayon is far better for absolute beginners, it has all the programs they would ever want, it's quite easy to use and install and lets face it.. i just installed Kubuntu.. it didn't even have firefox.. that's just appauling...
[08:48] <sigma__> Oleander: what do u need the media center to do?
[08:48] <Lynoure> sigma__: and even if it does not, you can manually mount it from command line, too (unless there is something seriously wrong with something)
[08:49] <mitchells00> i know the last word is spelt wrong but i'm tired..
[08:49] <mitchells00>  xD
[08:49] <mitchells00> Ubuntu has almost nothing in it..
[08:49] <mitchells00> they're like windows..
[08:49] <sigma__> mitchells00: u can just install firefox, i use flock, its way better espm in looks
[08:49] <Oleander> so you'd recommend sabayon
[08:49] <mitchells00> definately..
[08:49] <mitchells00> over ubuntu any day..
[08:49] <Oleander> u use that now?
[08:50] <mitchells00> it's a DVD size rather than CD size
[08:50] <mitchells00> yeah..
[08:50] <sigma__> wats so good in sabayon?
[08:50] <mitchells00> the live DVD is even fast enough for me
[08:50] <Oleander> googling it now
[08:50] <mitchells00> it comes with CRAPLOADS of programs built in
[08:50] <sigma__> kubuntu also has a dvd
[08:50] <mitchells00> anything you want
[08:51] <Oleander> what kinda progs were on there u use heaps
[08:51] <Oleander> ?
[08:51] <sigma__> the reason kubuntu is on cd mainly is because most of its users don't have truckloads of bandwidth
[08:51] <mitchells00> and installing more is easy.. it has (i don't know what it's called but it lists all the programs that you want, you tick them and press ok and they auto download and install)
[08:51] <sigma__> its just designed to give u the base system, not all the packages
[08:51] <mitchells00> well i have to say a live DVD is nicer with packages built in...
[08:52] <sigma__> but yes a dvd that auto installed all your desired programs would be goodf
[08:52] <mitchells00> rather than installing every time..
[08:52] <sigma__> good
[08:52] <sigma__> but hey for office use the cd version is perfect
[08:52] <mitchells00> plus sabayon can look FANTASTIC when you have a good video card..
[08:53] <mitchells00> i forget what it's called but it has alot of optional visual effects like vista but.. alot more customizable..
[08:53] <Lynoure> sigma__: if it is konsole you talk about, just   cd /media  then do   ls   to look around,  cd to whatever is the name of you flashdrive. There you are. :)  For plain command line you'll need to mount it yourself, but that's not hard either
[08:53] <mitchells00> just if people want.. xD
[08:53] <Oleander> what kind of visual effects?
[08:54] <mitchells00> 1st and my favourate.. the desktop cube..
[08:54] <mitchells00> :)
[08:54] <mitchells00> control and flick your mouse and you're on another desktop xD
[08:54] <Oleander> cool
[08:54] <Oleander> so u can have 6 desktops going ?
[08:54] <mitchells00> 4..
[08:55] <mitchells00> you can have like 20 but not on the cube..
[08:55] <mitchells00> xD
[08:55] <Oleander> i was thinking top and bottom also :)
[08:55] <mitchells00> no but you can put different wallpapers for them :)
[08:55] <Oleander> awsome. does vista have that
[08:55] <Oleander> ?
[08:55] <mitchells00> no..
[08:55] <Oleander> does mac?
[08:56] <Oleander> looking at screenshots now of the cube
[08:56] <sigma__> Oleander: i found something really cool with the cube - u can play 4 movies simultaneoulsly (one on each screen) and it runs perfectly
[08:56] <Oleander> hahah awsome
[08:57] <sd132> so  the  cube spins on one axis only?
[08:57] <Oleander> is sabayon the only one with cube effect?
[08:58] <sigma__> nope i did that in kubuntu
[08:58] <Oleander> cool
[08:58] <sigma__> with compiz-fusion
[08:58] <Lynoure> sigma__: and you found some way to actually follow all of them 100%? :)
[08:58] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: 10-14 business days delivery...
[08:58] <Stevethepirate> on my dell.
[08:58] <Oleander> compiz-fusion? that a add-on?
[08:59] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: well thats pretty good service!
[09:00] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: how much is it altogether?
[09:00] <mitchells00_> how much is what?
[09:00] <sigma__> his laptop
[09:00] <mitchells00_> oohh :P
[09:00] <mitchells00_> i'm just about to get a new laptop :D
[09:01] <Oleander> sigma: whats this berly thing? on youtube looking at cube on kubuntu and it says kubuntu beryl
[09:01] <Oleander> beryl sorry
[09:01] <mitchells00_> a Dell (yeah i know eww but cheap) Vostro 1500 with 2 GB ram and 128 dedicated video memory :)
[09:01] <stdin> !beryl | Oleander
[09:01] <ubotu> Oleander: Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz
[09:01] <mitchells00_> sabayon has beryl in it..
[09:02] <mitchells00_> that's the cube thing... :P
[09:02] <Oleander> ah ok
[09:02] <Oleander> whats considered a decent vid card to run cube well
[09:03] <sigma__> Lynoure: lol well 4 sound streams was a bit of a mission to decode:) just did it to see how powerful compiz actually was
[09:03] <Oleander> like 128mb dedicated?
[09:03] <mitchells00_> yeah that's fine..
[09:03] <Oleander> cool
[09:03] <mitchells00_> as long as you don't put on too many effects..
[09:03] <Oleander> effects?
[09:03] <mitchells00_> like HUGE flame effects every time you move the window
[09:03] <Oleander> ah ok
[09:03] <mitchells00_> that will LAG you like hell
[09:03] <mitchells00_> trust me.. i've tried :)
[09:04] <mitchells00_> i made them rainbow too :D
[09:04] <Oleander> yeh this utube vid has like water ripples its cool
[09:04] <mitchells00_> they're fine..
[09:04] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: it will be rather cool.
[09:04] <Stevethepirate> If it arrives like on the 3/4 Decemebrr
[09:05] <sigma__> Lynoure: but im waiting for the effects in kde4, compiz still looks out of place in kde
[09:05] <Oleander> am so installing this toniught
[09:05] <Stevethepirate> Like, what are official holidays for us?
[09:05] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: yes indeed, how much altogether was your laptop?
[09:05] <Stevethepirate> Like.. i.e. non-working days.
[09:05] <Stevethepirate> R15.1k + VAT
[09:05] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: ouch
[09:05] <mitchells00_> shit netsplit...
[09:05] <mitchells00_> xD
[09:05] <stdin> !language | mitchells00
[09:05] <ubotu> mitchells00: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[09:06] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: hi.
[09:06] <mitchells00_> sorry :(
[09:06] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: thats quite the pricetag!
[09:06] <mitchells00_> R?
[09:07] <Stevethepirate> ZAR
[09:07] <mitchells00_> ok :)
[09:07] <Stevethepirate> South African Rand
[09:07] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: thing is, getting thru dad's company.. so not VAT
[09:07] <Stevethepirate> So, for R15k, that will beat any other laptop in its range
[09:08] <Stevethepirate> Fujitsu-siemens had one for R15k.. only hada 8600GS...
[09:08] <mitchells00_> i can't get pluto to install in LinuxMCE... this is annoying
[09:08] <mitchells00_> it doesen't even work...
[09:08] <Stevethepirate> 8600GT > 8600GS..
[09:08] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: fujitsu is hopeless!
[09:08] <mitchells00_> i'n just gonna go back to sabayon..
[09:08] <mitchells00_> but first dinner :D
[09:08] <mitchells00_> bubaiiz ^^
[09:08] <Hamra> !wine
[09:08] <ubotu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[09:09] <Hamra> is there a channel for wine?
[09:09] <sigma__> think its #wine or #wine-hq
[09:09] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: i have a f-s lifebook.. its been really good.
[09:09] <Stevethepirate> its #winehq
[09:10] <Hamra> thnx
[09:10] <Stevethepirate> #wine redirects to #winehq
[09:10] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: i heard they were pretty bad quality
[09:10] <Oleander> so beryl is part of kubuntu installation yeh?
[09:10] <Stevethepirate> compiz-fuzion
[09:11] <Oleander> compiz-fuzion is part of kubuntu install?
[09:11] <sigma__> no it isnt
[09:11] <stdin> !compiz
[09:11] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[09:11] <Stevethepirate> Wait.
[09:11] <Oleander> ah
[09:11] <Stevethepirate> Thought i was in #ubuntu for a sec
[09:11] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: they have good and bad batches
[09:12] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: like, had that lifebook p3 for like 4 years, no problems
[09:12] <Stevethepirate> but people complain a lot about their desktops
[09:12] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: ok ya that is pretty long
[09:12] <Oleander> ok so after i install kubuntu i have to install compiz...right?
[09:12] <Stevethepirate> Should push out 4k on 3d marks 06
[09:12] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: lol all the ones that makro sells:)
[09:13] <Stevethepirate> indeed.
[09:13] <stdin> Oleander: yes, the link ubotu gave has instructions
[09:13] <Oleander> cool thanks
[09:13] <Oleander> understasnd now
[09:13] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: you know theres wireless internet at the airports...
[09:13] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: yeah but dont u hav to pay mweb to use it?
[09:13] <stdin> !ot | Stevethepirate, sigma__
[09:13] <ubotu> Stevethepirate, sigma__: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:14] <Stevethepirate> stdin: i'm about to ask him something about kubuntu related to the wireless there stdin
[09:14] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: lets just move it to offtopic
[09:15] <Stevethepirate> sigma__: pm?
[09:15] <sigma__> Stevethepirate: join #kubuntu-offtopic , i can't pm
[09:28] <Oleander> sigma: going from windows to kubuntu do i just need to download Download Kubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy) ? or do i need to install linux first...
[09:29] <stdin> Oleander: Kubuntu is a linux distribution
[09:29] <neville> =/
[09:29] <Oleander> stdin: what does that mean?
[09:29] <neville> Kubuntu is Linux =]
[09:29] <stdin> well, no, it's not linux. the kernel is linux
[09:29] <neville> You just download Kubuntu, burn the image, slap the disk into the drive, reset, and off you go
[09:30] <neville> It's a generalisation
[09:30] <Oleander> ah ok. cuz my friend couldnt believe how it can onlt be 700mb for it, when linux is like 6 cds
[09:30] <Oleander> right
[09:30] <neville> If he got things that mixed up, it would be best to keep things vague for starters
[09:30] <neville> =]
[09:30] <stdin> Oleander: all those other CDs are just packages, not "linux"
[09:30] <Oleander> ah ok
[09:31] <Oleander> so theyre a heap of packages for kubuntu?
[09:32] <stdin> tons
[09:33] <Oleander> cool
[09:33] <stdin> in my package list I have 31843 packages available, and that's with no non-official repositories
[09:34] <Hamra> now that you mentioned it, what does kubuntu DVD have more than the CD? is it also a bunch of unnecessary packages?
[09:34] <stdin> Hamra: has most of main on it too, it also includes the alternate and OEM installer
[09:34] <fildo> !kde4
[09:34] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[09:36] <Oleander> what site has a list of all the packaged for kubuntu:?
[09:36] <stdin> http://packages.ubuntu.com
[09:36] <Oleander> cheers
[09:37] <Hamra> i guess it will prove useful then, thnx
[09:38] <Oleander> does the cd install of kubuntu come with the basics or do u have to straight away get a few of the pacakages
[09:40] <stdin> Oleander: comes with a browser, office suit, graphics view, media player and a few other things
[09:40] <ActionParsnip> hi all
[09:40] <ActionParsnip> hi stdin
[09:41] <Oleander> stdin: ability to network also?
[09:41] <stdin> yeah :)
[09:41] <Oleander> cool
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> does either kubuntu or Ubuntu have a smaller install footprint?
[09:42] <stdin> they are about the same
[09:43] <stdin> there's no real difference in size at all
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> is Xubuntu smaller?
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> I wanna bang it on an eee so I'm chasing small footprint
[09:44] <stdin> xubuntu has a smaller memory footprint
[09:44] <Gogoacquan> hi
[09:44] <Gogoacquan> can anyone help me with kate plzz?
[09:44] <stdin> helps if you say what's wrong
[09:45] <Oleander> stdin: do i need virus protection of kubuntu or ubuntu?
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> Gogoacquan, give her a slap
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, no and don't try running norton through WINE
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> haahahhahaa
[09:45] <Gogoacquan> i want to change my driver from ati to radeon into the xorg.conf with kate
[09:45] <Oleander> WINE?
[09:45] <stdin> Oleander: virus? what's that? :p
[09:45] <Oleander> ha cool
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> !wine | Oleander
[09:45] <ubotu> Oleander: WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[09:46] <Gogoacquan> but i dont have the sudo rights. HOw can i get them in kate???
[09:46] <Oleander> when u run appls through WINE does that slow the app down?
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> Gogoacquan, kdesu kate <file>
[09:46] <stdin> Gogoacquan: if you can't use sudo then you can't do it, get the user with sudo access to do it
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, it can, they run well though
[09:46] <Oleander> cool
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, wine ./theme.exe ;) I LOVE THEME PARK
[09:47] <Oleander> ActionParsnip: so if i find an app that only has a win and mac installer does that mean id have to run it through wine?
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, yes or Cedega which you pay for
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> !cedega | Oleander
[09:47] <ubotu> Oleander: cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[09:48] <stdin> Gogoacquan: does your user have sudo access?
[09:48] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, http://e-bergi.com/2007/Haziran/resim/csc.jpg
[09:48] <Oleander> ActionParsnip: out of all the apps u run do like 50% run through wine?
[09:48] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, I don't use windows apps at all
[09:48] <Gogoacquan> yes he does
[09:49] <neville> ActionParsnip: wine theme.exe* =]
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> except that
[09:49] <neville> Or, better yet
[09:49] <Oleander> ha cool
[09:49] <Oleander> what web browser u use?
[09:49] <neville> wine /path/to/theme/theme.exe =]
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> oh please tell me theres an open source theme park
[09:49] <stdin> Gogoacquan: then just go to KMenu -> Run Command... and type in "kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf" (without quotes) and you can edit the file
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, firefox
[09:49] <Oleander> cool
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, gimp = photoshop, amsn = msn messenger
[09:50] <stdin> kopete is better than amsn IMO
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> stdin, I like the amsn look :D
[09:51] <stdin> ActionParsnip: that's exactly what I don't like about it :p
[09:51] <neville> Then skin it
[09:51] <ActionParsnip> stdin, horses for courses eh
[09:51] <stdin> but kopete-kde4 is so nice :)
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> stdin, got a screenshot?
[09:52] <Gogoacquan> its so great it works:)
[09:52] <Gogoacquan> ty^^
[09:52] <Gogoacquan> what is the kdesu command
[09:52] <Hamra> will hardy use KDE 4 by default? or will still come with 3.x?
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> Gogoacquan, if you are running apps that use gui use kdesu
[09:53] <Gogoacquan> ah ok
[09:53] <ActionParsnip> Gogoacquan, if you are using comand line (like cp, mv etc) use sudo
[09:53] <stdin> ActionParsnip: I can probably make one
[09:53] <Gogoacquan> do i have to reboot my system now for making the changes running???
[09:53] <emilsedgh> Hamra: no, Hardy will have KDE 3.5.x
[09:53] <stdin> !kdesi
[09:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdesi - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:53] <stdin> !kdesu
[09:53] <ubotu> In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[09:53] <ActionParsnip> Gogoacquan, it cant hurt :)
[09:54] <Gogoacquan> :) kk thx
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> stdin, can you use kdesu for CLIs?
[09:54] <stdin> yeah you can
[09:54] <Oleander> whats AiXgl ?
[09:54] <Gogoacquan> bb
[09:55] <ActionParsnip> stdin: might just use it all the time and never sudo
[09:57] <FSHero> !ntfs-3g
[09:57] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[09:58] <FSHero> Hi all: is it safe to use ntfs-3g to write to an NTFS partition to which Windows Vista Home Premium is installed?
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> FSHero, NTFS is NTFS as far as I'm aware
[10:00] <FSHero> ActionParsnip: thanks. I've used ntfs-3g for months on a different computer which has Windows XP installed, and no problems there...
[10:00] <FSHero> ... so I think I shall try with Vista
[10:01] <FSHero> Is there some KDE gui to configure ntfs-3g?
[10:01] <stdin> ActionParsnip: simple screenshot http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/1350/kopete1bl0.png
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> stdin: looks pretty cool man
[10:02] <stdin> FSHero: nope, but there is ntfs-config which is GTK+
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> stdin:  cheers for the shot
[10:03] <FSHero> stdin: thanks. I'll try it now :)
[10:03] <Hamra> what is the package for the c libraries? nvidia installer need them, libc?
[10:03] <stdin> Hamra: use the packages
[10:04] <Oleander> stdin: not sure if i asked u this ealier or not but would u recommend i install unbuntu or kubuntu. Side note i love all the cool visual effects so which ever one is better with that side of thigs
[10:05] <stdin> Oleander: I hate Gnome and love KDE, but try both and see what you like
[10:05] <Hamra> i like kde too
[10:05] <Oleander> ok thanks
[10:06] <stdin> Oleander: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE for a quick glimpse
[10:06] <Oleander> k
[10:07] <stdin> you can run KDE applications on Gnome and Gnome applications on KDE too, so the desktop environment is purely a matter of personal taste
[10:07] <Oleander> right
[10:08] <Gogoacquan> i installed the gatos package and tried to watch cable tv over kaffeine but it cant identify the socket for my graca
[10:08] <Gogoacquan> thats so sad:(
[10:08] <Gogoacquan> ^^
[10:08] <Oleander> can KDE be customized to look like Mac OS X Leopard like GNOME?
[10:09] <stdin> it can look like whatever you want it to look like
[10:09] <Oleander> sweet
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, http://www.tuaw.com/2005/12/28/make-kde-look-like-os-x/
[10:10] <Oleander> thanks
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, np :)
[10:10] <stdin> Oleander: my (current) desktop :) http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/1708/currentsy4.jpg
[10:11] <Oleander> coool, nice a clean. i like
[10:11] <ActionParsnip> stdin: you have updates :)
[10:12] <stdin> ActionParsnip: yeah, kde4 packages from my LAN repo ;)
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, mine is similar to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgFJmSp9VQg
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> I got bored and wanted to see how recordmydesktop would run :)
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> Its pretty boring but it was late
[10:13] <Oleander> sweet supermario kart
[10:13] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, best driving game ever!
[10:13] <Oleander> i grew up on that game
[10:13] <Oleander> whats those raindrops...a screensaver?
[10:14] <emilsedgh> stdin: CrystalSVG Icons? i excepted a more customized desktop
[10:14] <ActionParsnip> its part of beryl
[10:14] <stdin> emilsedgh: I like that iconset
[10:14] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, you can press a key combo and it happens
[10:14] <emilsedgh> stdin: well, i did like it too, but im tired of it...
[10:14] <Oleander> cool
[10:14] <emilsedgh> stdin: did you try nuovext ?
[10:15] <stdin> emilsedgh: I do have my background change every 10 mins ;)
[10:15] <stdin> nouvext, nope
[10:16] <Oleander> ActionParsnip: whats XGL>
[10:16] <emilsedgh> stdin: i was changing it too, but im now using the wallpaper that oxygen team created,,,the Blue one (not from the wallpaper contest)
[10:16] <stdin> !XGL
[10:16] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[10:17] <stdin> bah
[10:18] <stdin> XGL is a replacement to the standard X server that takes over Direct Rendering and lets you use 3D effects when your graphics driver doesn't support it (basically)
[10:18] <enry> hi
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, gives 3d stuff
[10:18] <Oleander> ah ok does that come with compiz package?
[10:19] <omar> Guys can someone tell me how 'Ubuntu' exactly pronounced?
[10:19] <stdin> omar: something like 'oooh-boooon-toooooo'
[10:19] <Hamra> ooboontoo i think
[10:19] <stdin> just call it "the brown one"
[10:20] <Hamra> the ubuntu website have its speeling on the first page
[10:20] <omar> LOL stdin :D
[10:20] <Hamra> spelling*
[10:20] <Oleander> poobuntu
[10:20] <stdin> Oleander: no, you only need it when your graphics driver dosen't support 3D effects
[10:20] <ActionParsnip> omar, i say yu-bun-tu but i know its wrong
[10:20] <Oleander> ah ok
[10:21] <omar> ActionParsnip: Yeah me too :D
[10:21] <stdin> I say oo-bun-two
[10:21] <stdin> and ku-bun-to
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> kay-ya-bun-too
[10:22] <stdin> don't forget zoo-bun-two
[10:22] <Lynoure> omar: Watch the sample ogg video that comes with ubuntu/kubuntu, that will tell you, with voice.
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> and flux-bun-too
[10:23] <omar> uh-huh.. thanx :)
[10:24] <stdin> pronunciations in linux don't matter, as long as you can spell it :p
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> stdin, or autocomplete with tab ;)
[10:26] <Hamra> i have no idea how i survived that long with dos and windoze without the tab autocompletion :P
[10:26] <stdin> my tab-key is starting to ware out...
[10:26] <stdin> and the backspace :p
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> Hamra, XP does it too but XP doesnt really use command line for much
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> log in to xp. 1 hand on mouse, i hand in pocket
[10:27] <senorpedro> http://senorpedro.myminicity.com/
[10:27] <senorpedro> http://senorpedro.myminicity.com/
[10:27] <senorpedro> ups, sorry wrong channel
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> with such widespread use of ubuntu, do you think there will be viri made for it?
[10:29] <Hamra> well yeah, its good to use xp in winter, keeps my hand warm in pocket, lol, or make it work hand on linux, which will keep it warm nevertheless :P
[10:30] <Hamra> hard*
[10:30] <Hamra> what's viri?
[10:30] <stdin> ActionParsnip: not much point, a virus could only effect one user
[10:30] <stdin> Hamra: plural for virus
[10:30] <jussi01> viruses?
[10:30] <Hamra> sooner or later, yes
[10:30] <senorpedro> i have a little problem with the xorg.conf http://tinyurl.com/yw97ry does anybody know what is wrong?
[10:31] <stdin> no, virus is latin, so the plural is viri
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> stdin: true and as long as the app affected isnt superuser then it should be ok
[10:33] <Hamra> i dont think though that opensourced systems can be any use for malware makers, it will spread for a small time only, before a solution would be in the repos !
[10:33] <stdin> hmm, did I not ban that guy too, shame on me
[10:34] <ActionParsnip> Hamra, its just that all windows systems are similar at an OS level and there are lots. Ubuntu seems to be taking off hugely and so there will be a similar core of librarys
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> true the security of running as a restricted user is groovy
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> but i think its an interesting idea
[10:35] <stdin> there already are, ubuntu uses debian and debian uses GNU
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> can you see what im saying though?
[10:36] <stdin> yep, and for the most part I agree with you too :)
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> cool as long as i'm not crazy
[10:36] <Hamra> i agree too
[10:39] <Hamra> do you know a tool that checks to see which ports are opened? i suspect my ISP has all ports closed :S
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> Hamra, netstat -a
[10:39] <Hamra> ok
[10:39] <stdin> you ISP doesn't control what ports your PC has open
[10:40] <ActionParsnip> Hamra, http://www.computerhope.com/unix/unetstat.htm
[10:40] <stdin> or just man:/netstat in konqueror
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> whats the standard file manager in xubuntu (e.g konqueror)?
[10:42] <stdin> don't think so, xubuntu is GTK based
[10:42] <hungrymouse> when i try and boot to kubuntu, it either says "image not found, booting normally" then gives me my login and password prompt in a console format, and never loads desktop, or it stops halfway through loading everything (still before loading desktop) and nothing more happens. how can i resolve this problem?
[10:43] <ActionParsnip> stdin: it uses Thunar
[10:44] <stdin> ActionParsnip: yep, GTK based
[10:47] <opdensteinen_> h
[10:48] <sd132> macogw, i was in gnome when i made those changes, went back into kde and the refresh rates are back up
[10:48] <emilsedgh> stdin: any news from Jucato? when he will be back?
[10:50] <stdin> emilsedgh: not really, I haven't heard much from him recently
[10:51] <emilsedgh> stdin: he plans to come back?
[10:51] <stdin> eventually
[10:53] <TheFallenOne> i need help with a wifi issue on Kubuntu 7.10. I think it's simple but I can't find a straight forward answer on the forums
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, has it ever worked?
[10:54] <TheFallenOne> I am using a Linksys WMP54G wifi card (chipset is RT2561/RT61) i've notice alot of people having issues with this card and my issue is Kubuntu regocnizes it and I can even connect to the router at 80% but i can't resolve any web pages
[10:55] <TheFallenOne> this is a new install since i'm new to Kubuntu and linux for that matter
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, can you ping web pages?
[10:55] <TheFallenOne> no
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, can you ping your router?
[10:55] <TheFallenOne> shows it as active and everything picks up both wifi locations in the office
[10:56] <TheFallenOne> and i can connect to each of them
[10:56] <TheFallenOne> one sec
[10:56] <Oleander> ActionParsnip> does kubuntu Gutsy Gibbon have compiz fusion already in it?
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, no you need to install it
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, get googling :)
[10:57] <Oleander> ok, yeh was looking on wikipedia and it said it had compiz fusion in Gutsy Gibbon...werid
[10:57] <TheFallenOne> i can ping the router (<IP_ADDRESS>) and getting ping times of about 15 to 25ms
[10:58] <sdlnxgk> TheFallenOne, have you added the wireless device to a list of mac address that can access the router? I know I had that problem with mine, after adding it to the list logged on right away
[10:58] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, ok can we have a paste of your ifconfig
[10:58] <TheFallenOne> the router is completely open no security no mac address filtering
[10:59] <TheFallenOne> action Parsnip one sec and i will post that
[10:59] <TheFallenOne> in a .txt file or straight paste
[10:59] <hungrymouse> does anyone have a solution to my problem of kubuntu not starting or should i just reinstall?
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, can you run glxgears ok?
[10:59] <sdlnxgk> hungrymouse, what do you mean will not start?? no gui or you just get a cli ??
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> hungrymouse, log in as normal and try running startx
[11:00] <Oleander> glxgears?
[11:00] <hungrymouse> ActionParsnip: so when it gives me the command line login i should log in there and then type startx? or is there more to it?
[11:00] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, run it from konsole
[11:00] <ActionParsnip> hungrymouse, you got it
[11:00] <hungrymouse> ActionParsnip: cool thanks. i'll try that.
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, if it runs you have 3d acceleration which you need for compiz :)
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=642906
[11:01] <Oleander> i can test this on win?
[11:01] <Oleander> i havent installed kubuntu yet
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, no you need to do it on your linux box
[11:01] <SagaciousKJB> TheFallenOne: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[11:03] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, going well?
[11:04] <GreatBritain> !nvidia
[11:04] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:04] <GreatBritain> !nv
[11:04] <SagaciousKJB> Is there a list of those triggers?
[11:05] <SagaciousKJB> I've been sitting here stalking the channel for hours just to see simple trigger words like that.
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> !triggers
[11:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about triggers - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> hehe
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> SagaciousKJB, no idea sorry :(
[11:06] <TheFallenOne> sorry about that actionParsnip I'm a night-time NOC for a computer company so I was momentarily occupid. One sec and I will paste results in the link SagaciousKJB gave
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, me too but my servers are in the states and I'm UK :D
[11:07] <GreatBritain> i need to remove an NVidia package from my pc - i installed it to test my friends card.. but now its slowing down my GFX output..
[11:07] <GreatBritain> where can i tell which debs are installed
[11:08] <Hamra> greatbritain: there is an unofficial tool called envy, you can try it
[11:08] <GreatBritain> if they were installed with dpkg
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> GreatBritain, did you use sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[11:08] <GreatBritain> aparantly thats not installed..
[11:09] <GreatBritain> according to apt
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> GreatBritain, install that and you should be ok
[11:09] <GreatBritain> i want to remove support - not install it..
[11:09] <GreatBritain> i don't have NVidia on this pc
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> GreatBritain, use add/remove programs to remove it
[11:10] <GreatBritain> its not installed
[11:10] <GreatBritain> but 3d games are sayting there is an issue with GLX support
[11:11] <TheFallenOne> ActionParnip http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48827/
[11:11] <GreatBritain> SDL error: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[11:12] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, in konsole tpe: add default gw <ip of router>
[11:12] <hungrymouse> ArrowParsnip: it now wont even get as far as the login thing. it just stops halfway through loading whatever it loads.
[11:13] <Oleander> ActionParsnip: do i need a seperate hdd to install kubuntu on or can i partition one of my drives?
[11:13] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, well sudo route add default gw <ip>
[11:13] <hungrymouse> *actionparsnip i mean >< lol i didnt bother to read.
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, you can resize but its risky.
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> stdin, can you help please man
[11:14] <Oleander> cuz of the file system?
[11:14] <TheFallenOne> ActionParsnip, Let me try that and I'll tell you results
[11:15] <hungrymouse> ActionParsnip: it now wont even get as far as the login thing. it just stops halfway through loading whatever it loads.
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, you have no where to put the data when you install
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, and if you resize you may corrupt data
[11:16] <juliano> ola
[11:16] <Oleander> ActionParsnip>: okies
[11:17] <ActionParsnip> hungrymouse, try booting to "safemode". use F1 at boot to bring up the linux boot menu
[11:17] <hungrymouse> ActionParsnip: and then use xstart?
[11:18] <TheFallenOne> ActionParsnip, I typed "sudo route add default fw <IP_ADDRESS>" and i was given "SIOCADDRT: No such Process"
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> hungrymouse, you should be able to boot to an earlier config
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, can we have a paste of you /etc/network/interfaces please
[11:19] <TheFallenOne> ActionParsnip, yes, one sec
[11:19] <hungrymouse> ActionParsnip: i'll try that then
[11:20] <TheFallenOne> ActionParsnip, is this a screenshot of the contents of that folder or ls from within /interfaces?
[11:20] <Oleander> ActionParsnip: how big a hdd will i need?
[11:21] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, at least 5GB for a basic install
[11:21] <TheFallenOne> ActionParsnip, Also be aware this is from LiveCD should I install ubuntu before trying to troubleshot this?
[11:21] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, interfaces is an ASCII text file. open it with your favourite text editor (kate, kwrite etc)
[11:22] <TheFallenOne> ActionParsnip, Where would that be located if using livecd
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, kinda as when you reboot the changes will not stay
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, same place
[11:23] <TheFallenOne> all it says in there is "auto lo" and then next line is "iface lo inet loopback"
[11:23] <Oleander> thanks ActionParsnip
[11:24] <TheFallenOne> i went through root/etc/network/interfaces
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, edit it as root (kdesu kate /etc/network/interfaces)
[11:25] <TheFallenOne> ok
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, and add auto wlan0
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[11:27] <TheFallenOne> ActionParsnip just add it to the line below the other to or erase whats in there and replace it with the new info
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, wireless-essid <your essid here>
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, just add it
[11:27] <TheFallenOne> ok
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/6172
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, theres a sample of what you should have
[11:28] <hungrymouse> ActionParsnip: it doesnt seem to work.
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> hungrymouse, I'm not so sure then. stdin is really good at this
[11:31] <hungrymouse> ActionParsnip: i think i'll just reinstall. there's not really anything important on my ext3 partition; i only installed kubuntu yesterday evening. i'll pester stdin if it happens agen :P
[11:31] <Oleander> ActionParsnip: i have 3 hdds, one with win os and the other two with media...music and video. I was thinking of dumping about 40gb of one of those media hdds on a ext and then using it for kubuntu which is 120gb hhh. my friend said thats a waste u agree?
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> hungrymouse, cool man
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, sounds fine Kubuntu will mount your Win partitions too :)
[11:33] <Oleander> <ActionParsnip: cool
[11:33] <TheFallenOne> ActionParsnip, When ever I add those lines it doesn't connect and it no longer shows any available wifi spots. when i remove the lines and save it the wifi spots come back
[11:33] <Oleander> so linux will see the win paritions yeh?
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, yeah shoulddo
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, you should restart after adding the lines
[11:35] <Oleander> ActionParsnip>: can i copy say a movie from one of my win hdds and put it on my kubuntu hdd?
[11:35] <SagaciousKJB> Can't you restart it by donig sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart?
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, indeed
[11:36] <TheFallenOne> ActionParsnip, But if I restart won't I lose those lines since I'm livecd, Also I only added those 3 lines you mentioned. "auto wlan0", "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" and wireless-essid <myID> is that correct
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> SagaciousKJB, i just have them restart. its easier but yes that works too
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, yes :( good spot :). do what SagaciousKJB said
[11:36] <SagaciousKJB> All right, not that I was trying to be smart, I was trying to do it that way earlier and it didn't seem to work.  I think I didn't have the interfaces file configured correctly, so I just made a boot script with ifconfig and route.
[11:37] <TheFallenOne> ActionParsnip, Lol no prob. one sec
[11:37] <SagaciousKJB> I find it sort of odd that I was just dealing with this the other day.
[11:37] <ActionParsnip> SagaciousKJB, always more than one way to skin a cat
[11:37] <GreatBritain> running Apache and MySQL wouldn't slow down the graphics refresh on a game would it?
[11:37] <ActionParsnip> SagaciousKJB, good idea though :)
[11:37] <GreatBritain> i only have 512mb
[11:37] <GreatBritain> ram
[11:38] <Oleander> ActionParsnip: so all the music and vid ive dumped on my ext while i installed kubuntu can be put back on that new linux drive?
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, yes indeed
[11:40] <Oleander> sweet
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, Ubuntu can read MANY filesystems
[11:41] <hungrymouse> ActionParsnip: for future reference, how do i mount hdds onto the live cd version of kubuntu?
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> hungrymouse, are they internal?
[11:42] <hungrymouse> ActionParsnip yep. when i try and access them it gets all paranoid and gives me this error: hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 999
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> hungrymouse, what command / method are you mounting with?
[11:43] <hungrymouse> ActionParsnip: i click the mount button on the sidebar in dolphin.
[11:44] <hungrymouse> ActionParsnip: and a friend of mine who uses kubuntu tried something else in Konsole to mount them, and that didnt work either.
[11:44] <TheFallenOne> ActionParsnip, Here is a paste of my results. It wouldn't let me use the Kubuntu paste again cause it said i was spaming and needed to JS on but here is the snip
[11:44] <TheFallenOne> http://d.cl1p.net/results/
[11:44] <TheFallenOne> it ran it together but hopefully it's not complete mush
[11:45] <Oleander> ActionParsnip: will win be able to see my linux drive then?
[11:45] <TheFallenOne> http://download.cl1p.net/results/?t=280209653&FILE=0
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> Oleander, you can get an app to copy stuff. not sure about read
[11:45] <TheFallenOne> try that instead ActionParsnip
[11:46] <TheFallenOne> says unkown file type but just change ext to .txt
[11:46] <Oleander> ActionParsnip: ok cool. from what ive seen i hope to make kubuntu my main desktop anyways
[11:46] <hungrymouse> ActionParsnip: as far as i know that program allows you to read as well. but dont hold me to that :P
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, remove the entrys in /etc/network/interfaces for wlan0 except the line auto wlan0
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, then do the network restart
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> TheFallenOne, then use the scanner like a reg user
[11:49] <TheFallenOne> ok i will try that. my shift is over now so i will let you know later if it worked out
[11:49] <TheFallenOne> thanks so much for the help
[11:49] <TheFallenOne> bye
[11:51] <soon> a little of topic: dead simple, Im sure - but check this site: www.rygambulatoriet.dk ... source code is here http://pastebin.com/d2e004e9
[11:51] <soon> I want the table to fill the whole screen (i.e half green and half white) - how to do that ?
[11:56] <ubuntu_> ei
[11:59] <soon> ei yourself :-)
[12:00] <Jay-Oh-En> soon: haha
[12:03] <intelikey> is there any way to power down an scsi hdd ?
[12:07] <ewigergert> how can i disable my webcam? because the LED is on, all the time.
[12:07] <tekteen> intelikey: unmount it. then unplug it
[12:08] <intelikey> tekteen can't umount /
[12:08] <tekteen> the scsi is the root filesystem?
[12:09] <tekteen> intelikey: in that case the only way is to reboot
[12:09] <tekteen> you can not run without the root filesystem
[12:10] <intelikey> tekteen like duh
[12:10] <intelikey> but the disk doesn't "need" to spin for the 14hours not in use either.
[12:10] <noki7> somebody knoe
[12:11] <noki7> somebody know how to change the taskbar in kde4
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Howdy all : )
[12:13] <intelikey> it's no problem to power down an ide disk,  but i haven't found any way to do that with this scsi drive
[12:13] <Jay-Oh-En> sata?
[12:13] <intelikey> sata != scsi
[12:15] <soon> intelikey there is a way I believe ... and if I can just remember it .... hang on
[12:16] <Jay-Oh-En> intelikey: there it i can power down mine lol
[12:16] <Jay-Oh-En> it=is
[12:16] <tomaz_> (sata <> scsi) and (sata != scsi) && (sata not equal scsi) ^ (sata isnot scsi)
[12:16] <intelikey> Jay-Oh-En what controler card ?
[12:17] <tomaz_> why there's so many diferent simbols for the same thing in diferent language styles? damn those computer scientst language makers.
[12:17] <Jay-Oh-En> what do you mean by that raid?
[12:17] <soon> intelikey .. sorry I was thinking of hdparm which apparently doesnt work for scsi - try googling
[12:18] <intelikey> soon yeah that's what i came up with too.
[12:20] <intelikey> the fact that it's commit interval is like 10 seconds has something to do with it...    there might be a way, IF one can also disable the continueous write cycle.     but i haven't found it yet.     probably require a kernel hack...
[12:22] <intelikey> it's just that i know that a disk spinning at that high of an rpm non-stop will eventually 'just ware out'  and there is no good reason for it to spin when not in use  i.e. no read/write activity.
[12:22] <ubuntu_> hello
[12:23] <Jay-Oh-En> hi
[12:23] <Sp1nN> any 1 know a good tutorial for begginers with shells?
[12:23] <Jay-Oh-En> Sp1nN: running live cd?
[12:23] <Sp1nN> yes
[12:23] <Sp1nN> how do u know?
[12:24] <intelikey> !cli | Sp1nN
[12:24] <ubotu> Sp1nN: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[12:24] <intelikey> anything that you can type into the command line you can put in a script.
[12:24] <Sp1nN> hmm ok
[12:25] <Sp1nN> im a fast learner ^
[12:25] <Sp1nN> Jay-Oh-En:
[12:25] <gnutered> hey all, I'm having trouble getting sound to work in pidgin on Kubuntu 7.10.  Worked on 7.04, but now all I can get is the console beep.  I tried stracing to see if it was trying to access /dev/snd or some such, but that didn't show anything
[12:26] <gnutered> can anyone offer advice?
[12:26] <intelikey> echo -e '#!/bin/sh \n\necho "hello world @ $USER" ' > my_first_script ;chmod 755 my_first_script
[12:27] <intelikey> gnutered    ^^^
[12:27] <Jay-Oh-En> Sp1nN: me too
[12:27] <gnutered> intelikey: huh?
[12:27] <intelikey> run that command.
[12:27] <Sp1nN> cool
[12:28] <Sp1nN> i just started trying linux yesterday
[12:28] <intelikey> gnutered sorry not you.
[12:28] <intelikey> Sp1nN @ you
[12:28] <gnutered> intelikey: k
[12:28] <Sp1nN> intelikey
[12:28] <Sp1nN> u want me to run tha echo thing?
[12:29] <Sp1nN> in the command line?
[12:29] <intelikey> it will write the script   my_first_script   in your $PWD and make it executable
[12:29] <Sp1nN> ok
[12:29] <hungrymouse> anyone know how to turn off a laptop mousepad's touch-to-click feature on kubuntu?
[12:30] <intelikey> it's the most basic of all scripts.   says     hello world @ <what ever user runs it>
[12:30] <Sp1nN> hmm
[12:30] <Sp1nN> ok
[12:31] <Sp1nN> ok i did it
[12:32] <intelikey> for that you can get the basic idea of several things.   one. streem redirrection  the  > put stdout into a file      two. the way that linux identifies files.  the first line has the  #!/bin/sh  telling the system to use /bin/sh to run the file.    three. the use of variables  $USER  is normally always set to the users login name.
[12:33] <Sp1nN> huhuh ok
[12:33] <Sp1nN> thx
[12:33] <intelikey> np.
[12:33] <Sp1nN> iĺl have to study a bit
[12:33] <intelikey> and like i said,  anything you can do on the command line you can do in a script.
[12:33] <Sp1nN> im an advanced user in windows but im a noob @ linux :P
[12:34] <opdensteinen_> hi
[12:34] <Sp1nN> thats why i want to learn to use the most powerfull OS
[12:34] <intelikey> Sp1nN at least you know the differance.  that's leaps and bounds ahead of some.
[12:34] <Sp1nN> yea ^^
[12:34] <Kohlrabi> Solaris ?!
[12:34] <Sp1nN> m8 gotta go
[12:34] <opdensteinen_> does anyone know how i can copy commands from a wiki into a terminal???
[12:34] <intelikey> Kohlrabi :)
[12:35] <zorglu_> q. when i connect a box with ssh and dont use it for a while, sometime it get stuck, unable to type anything. im forced to kill the ssh client in order to get the terminal back. anyway to make it deconnect or not getting stuck (i control the client and server)
[12:35] <intelikey> opdensteinen_ gpm
[12:35] <Jay-Oh-En> intelikey: whats gpm
[12:35] <BluesKaj> opdensteinen_, copy & paste
[12:35] <Sp1nN> intelikey cya
[12:35] <Sp1nN> cya jay-oh
[12:35] <intelikey> opdensteinen_ oh. terminal    with in the gui... try left click highlight   dubble click paste
[12:36] <intelikey> dubble/both
[12:36] <intelikey> dubble/both/middle    if you have three buttons.
[12:36] <opdensteinen_> and how do i paste it at the terminal?
[12:37] <BluesKaj> or ctrl+c , then ctrl+v
[12:37] <intelikey> opdensteinen_ both mouse buttons.
[12:37] <opdensteinen_> kk i did always change with alt f1 buttom thx
[12:37] <opdensteinen_> thx^^
[12:37] <intelikey> BluesKaj that is gui specific.  i.e. doesn't work in all guis
[12:38] <BluesKaj> rightclick in the terminal , paste
[12:38] <intelikey> that is too
[12:38] <intelikey> middle click is not.   it's at the xorg level
[12:39] <BluesKaj> well, I have not encountered any situations where it hasn't worked . intelikey
[12:39] <intelikey> but can be overriden by the de...
[12:39] <intelikey> BluesKaj twm for one.
[12:39] <BluesKaj> twm?
[12:40] <intelikey> !info twm
[12:40] <ubotu> twm: Tab window manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.0.3-2 (gutsy), package size 105 kB, installed size 372 kB
[12:40] <BluesKaj> never use it
[12:40] <ewigergert> how to run a script in a terminal?
[12:40] <intelikey> ewigergert sh path/to/filename
[12:41] <intelikey> or if it's not a shell script     <entrupreter> <path/to/filename>
[12:41] <ewigergert> ty, but i want to click on the script and then a terminal should open
[12:42] <intelikey> perl myfile.pl
[12:42] <zorglu_> q. how to generate entropy for /dev/random on a remove server ? (btw would be nice to fix /dev/random one day :)
[12:42] <intelikey> ewigergert then right click it and set it executable
[12:42] <intelikey> ewigergert and the right click context menu will avail much useful functionality in kde
[12:43] <intelikey> zorglu_ /dev/urandom   ?
[12:43] <zorglu_> intelikey: like ln -sf /dev/urandom /dev/random ?
[12:43] <zorglu_> intelikey: this is my current fix
[12:44] <ewigergert> ok, i did it, but now the script is running and i cant stop it, because i cant use strg+c like i can if it is running in a terminal
[12:44] <zorglu_> intelikey: i would like a cleaner one if possible. is there any ?
[12:44] <intelikey> zorglu_ but i think there is an init script  /etc/init.d/urandom start
[12:44] <ActionParsnip> lo all
[12:44] <[ifr0g]> !backup
[12:44] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[12:45] <intelikey> zorglu_ you can look into that script and parse out the commands you want
[12:45] <zorglu_> intelikey: ok looking
[12:46] <zorglu_> cat /dev/urandom > /dev/urandom <- trying this :)
[12:47] <zorglu_> lets hope one day ted tso will fix this thing :)
[12:47] <ActionParsnip> cat yes > /dev/null
[12:48] <zorglu_> sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Dec 19 19:52:46 2007 <- i changed the date on my box and now i got this msg when i use sudo. anybody know how i can fix it ?
[12:49] <intelikey> wait an hour ?
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> zorglu_, is the date in your bios correct?
[12:50] <zorglu_> :)))
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> zorglu_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=173505
[12:50] <intelikey> zorglu_ or reboot ?    but i don't like to adcise that.  this is not M$ reboot OS
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> zorglu_, sudo -K
[12:51] <zorglu_> ok trying sudo -K
[12:51] <onishidato> what's that?
[12:51] <intelikey> ActionParsnip umm yeah.   that should work.    i was thinking that he had to have sudoers permisison to fix it...
[12:52] <onishidato> sudo -K, what's that used for?
[12:52] <intelikey> clear the sudo key
[12:52] <onishidato> got it
[12:52] <intelikey> so the user has to reinter the passwd
[12:53] <zorglu_> well in theory it remove the timestamp of sudo )
[12:53] <zorglu_> note the in theory :)
[12:53] <zorglu_> i tried sudo -k and sudo -K as root.
[12:53] <intelikey> actually i think it does an rm ~/.sudo_successful   or some such
[12:54] <intelikey> zorglu_ yeah as root wont help.    try   ls ~/\.*    and remove the file with sudo in the name
[12:54] <zorglu_> rm .sudo_as_admin_successful <- i did this one but still get the msg :)
[12:55] <intelikey> zorglu_ heh.  ok. i'm back to my origenal answer then.
[12:55] <zorglu_> intelikey: ok i will try to reboot
[12:55] <zorglu_> lets hope it works, this is a rented server far from me :)
[12:56] <intelikey> id just wait....
[12:56] <zorglu_> well i got work to do :)
[12:56] <intelikey> do something else that doesn't require sudo
[12:57] <zorglu_> intelikey: ok reboot worked. thanks :)
[12:57] <intelikey> zorglu_ welcome.
[12:57] <katia> ciao
[12:58] <intelikey> i'm went.
[13:05] <kreger> hi all!
[13:05] <jussi01> !hi | kreger
[13:05] <ubotu> kreger: Hi!   It has enabled me to start using CLI more to configure, but some things are just still a bit foreign to me.
[13:15] <flaccid__> !webmin
[13:15] <ubotu> webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system
[13:15] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee, there must be an alternative /replacement that works better , otherwise why would it be dropped ?
[13:15] <Jay-Oh-En> !info webmin
[13:15] <ubotu> Package webmin does not exist in gutsy
[13:15] <flaccid__> it was dropped because of above
[13:15] <JuJuBee> Thansk BluesKaj, I will look for one.
[13:15] <BluesKaj> yeah, I see it
[13:16] <Jay-Oh-En> BluesKaj: but what was webmin nobody answer my question
[13:17] <flaccid__> its web frontend to system admin
[13:17] <Jay-Oh-En> and can somebody help me with this i cp my stuff into my /var/www/ dir but nothing gives ive made a dir usng mkdir i made Pictures dir and i try cping to that and nothing gives so what do i do
[13:17] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid__: know it all
[13:17] <Jay-Oh-En> ciao
[13:17] <BluesKaj> Jay-Oh-En, just google it in google-linux and you'll have your answer
[13:17] <JuJuBee> OK, well then. I have an iptables question.  I have my rules set up, but wish to modify them.  When I made a change, using webmin, the URL's suddenly turned to IP's.  Now it is difficult for me to look at a rule and remember exactly what it does since I don't make a  habit of memorizing the IP of websites.  Any ideas?
[13:17] <flaccid__> haha
[13:17] <Jay-Oh-En> google.com/linux will never fail
[13:18] <flaccid__> ubuntu doesn't support webmin
[13:18] <Jay-Oh-En> JuJuBee: use firestarter
[13:18] <JuJuBee> flaccid_ : im not using Gutsy.
[13:19] <flaccid__> it wasn't supported before gutsy
[13:19] <JuJuBee> Thanks Jay-Oh-En, I will look at it.
[13:19] <JuJuBee> flaccid_, seems to work fine with Feisty.
[13:19] <Jay-Oh-En> JuJuBee: just cause it isnt supported doesnt mean it wont work
[13:19] <JuJuBee> I know.
[13:19] <flaccid__> ok so i guess that means the ubuntu and debians teams were wrong ah well
[13:20] <BluesKaj> Webmin is a web-based interface for system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on
[13:20] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid__: lol
[13:22] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid__: your mother must have abused you
[13:22] <flaccid__> gee thats a bit harsh
[13:22] <Jay-Oh-En> jk
[13:22] <Jay-Oh-En> i was just kidding
[13:22] <flaccid__> its a pretty crap joke
[13:23] <Jay-Oh-En> thats a little harsh isnt it
[13:23] <flaccid__> im not offended
[13:23]  * flaccid__ goes to pack a bj0ng
[13:23] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid__: fasho
[13:24] <Jay-Oh-En> flaccid__: what kind of green you got
[13:24] <Jay-Oh-En> white widow?
[13:26] <BluesKaj> Jay-Oh-En, he's in oz , they have different "stuff" there
[13:26] <Jay-Oh-En> like what
[13:27] <techgeek40> Question: Nvidia has a new driver (NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.19-pkgl.run) so I type sudo aptitude install NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.19-pkgl.run
[13:27] <techgeek40> But it won't install
[13:27] <Jay-Oh-En> and can somebody help me with this i cp my stuff into my /var/www/ dir but nothing gives ive made a dir usng mkdir i made Pictures dir and i try cping to that and nothing gives so what do i do
[13:27] <techgeek40> I'm on Ubuntu (Kubuntu) 7.10
[13:27] <flaccid__> um hydro
[13:27] <Jay-Oh-En> thats some bomb stuff
[13:28] <carwash^> techgeek40: i think thats the driver that comes with kubuntu
[13:28] <Jay-Oh-En> we only get that here in vegas from time to time
[13:28] <BluesKaj> techgeek40, wrong command , just do ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.19-pkgl.run
[13:28] <flaccid__> sydney 'hydge'
[13:28] <BluesKaj> mostly BC bud , here
[13:29] <techgeek40> Carwash: I'm just downloading and intalling so I can get use to doing it - i'm still very new to ubuntu
[13:29] <Jay-Oh-En> most of the time i smoke stress its horrible bud but its cheap and gets me stoned
[13:30] <techgeek40> Blueskaj: so I basically save the file to a folder (like documents) and in terminal window type ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.19-pkgl.run
[13:30] <BluesKaj> <---doesn't smoke
[13:30] <Jay-Oh-En> so nobody can hewlp me with my problem since its such a simple task