[00:26] <plm> TJ-: any good news? :)
[00:27] <TJ-> plm: I have an 18.04 armhf LXD container running. I'd need to do a lot more tests to discover any potential problems though.
[00:28] <plm> TJ-: hmm good. Can I to do the same with 16.4?
[00:28] <plm> TJ-: do you have a simple tutorial to me replicate here with 16.4?
[00:29] <plm> TJ-: so reaaly works with LXD arm on x86_64 =D
[00:29] <plm> *really
[00:29] <TJ-> plm: I'll do some thorough testing because Stefan indicated some tooling may have problems. Once it seems OK I'll publish a script to automate creating the local hybrid image
[00:30] <plm> TJ-: great TJ- =D
[00:31] <plm> TJ-: do you think that tomorrow until afternoon do you will publishthat script?
[00:31] <TJ-> plm: so far what I had to do is copy in the x86 systemd package contents, and the supporting libraries
[00:31] <plm> TJ-:  will be great have a simple  way to run a full ubuntu armhf on x86
[00:32] <TJ-> plm: if you want to help test it I'll publish it via a git repository so you can pull it in and test also
[00:32] <plm> TJ-: of course
[00:32] <plm> TJ-: please, after you publish the script, just tell me git repos urls I I can test it.
[00:33] <plm> TJ-: can I use 16.4 in my test?
[00:34] <TJ-> plm: I'll write the script to handle whatever base container(s) you prefer.
[00:34] <plm> TJ-: great =D I'm glad for that ;)
[00:35] <plm> TJ-: I need to go now. What is the git repos url do will put the script? So tomorrow early I will check and test it
[00:36] <TJ-> plm: basically it fetches both the x86 and arm images for the same release, exports and extracts them, copies files from the x86 into the arm, adds qeum-arm-static, repackages it then imports it as a local LXD image  that you can then create containers from
[00:36] <TJ-> plm: I'll send you info via the memoserv here on freenode
[00:36] <plm> TJ-: momoserv is like as private message?
[00:37] <sarnold> "private"
[00:37] <TJ-> plm: yes. server will tell you there are messages when you log-on, or whilst online
[00:37] <plm> TJ-: all right
[00:37] <plm> TJ-:  thank you!
[00:37] <plm> TJ-: see you later
[00:37] <TJ-> plm: then you can use "/msg memoserv read new" to read them
[00:37] <plm> TJ-: all right
[02:24] <wr> can i have a GUI with xfce4 on a ubuntu 16.04? installed xfce4 and lightdm but user doesnt login, what am i missing?
[02:25] <sarnold> wr: you may have better luck in #ubuntu
[02:47] <wr> sarnold, i mean ubuntu server 16.04
[02:48] <sarnold> wr: hmm that would indeed be a more awkward question.. #ubuntu folks are more accustomed to starting from *something* and #ubuntu-server folks aren't accustomed to doing gui things beyond their laptops.. :)
[02:49] <sarnold> wr: well, okay, the Usual Troubleshooting checklists.. what happens? what do you expect to happen? do you get error messages in the log files or dmesg?
[02:49] <wr> sarnold, yes but i need to test a thing and use webmin
[02:51] <wr> sarnold, i did a fresh install of a minimal ubuntu server 16.04, then i added xfce4 for a test, but on login wasn't logging in, havent looked on dmesg yet, by the the way the ubuntu is on a virtual machine
[02:52] <sarnold> "wasn't logging in" -- did you get a specific error message? from getty? gdm? lightdm? whhat?
[02:56] <wr> sarnold, no error, how do you install xfce4 on the server from core ubuntu? maybe i missed a package
[02:58] <wr> sarnold, i just did a apt-get install xfce4 lightdm on server maybe missed something, no?
[03:00] <sarnold> wr: hrm. that's a pretty good starting point. did xorg get installed too?
[03:00] <wr> sarnold, didnt install that package, need that one too i guess
[03:09] <wr> sarnold, xorg is there
[03:09] <sarnold> wr: when the machine comes up do you get a getty-style prompt to login or an xdm-style window to log in?
[03:19] <wr> sarnold, forgot to say to on login have error "failed to start session", i get this https://imgur.com/Vc0QRGO
[03:26] <wr> *too
[03:27] <sarnold> wr: hmm, good luck. I dunno much about the gui-land once you've already gotten that far..
[05:43] <cpaelzer> rbasak: will you consider and reply to the last update in 1781529 ?
[06:51] <rbasak> cpaelzer: ack
[06:56] <cpaelzer> rbasak: and I think I owe you a link still
[06:56] <cpaelzer> rbasak: was this the one about the force-badtest MP showing the two versions?
[06:56] <cpaelzer> https://code.launchpad.net/~paelzer/britney/hints-ubuntu-ocfs2-cosmic-bump/+merge/355482
[07:11] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:21] <cpaelzer> hi lordievader, how are you?
[07:22] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[07:22] <lordievader> How are you, cpaelzer
[07:22] <lordievader> ?
[07:23] <cpaelzer> good as well
[08:47] <cpaelzer> rbasak: since I saw you around, if you have a few minutes for that MP of yesterday
[08:47] <cpaelzer> rbasak: it got an extra fix for the FTBFS that I encountered on tests
[08:47] <cpaelzer> rbasak: would be at https://code.launchpad.net/~paelzer/ubuntu/+source/virt-manager/+git/virt-manager/+merge/356334
[12:10] <ahasenack> good morning
[12:25] <ahasenack> cpaelzer_: rbasak: fwiw, mps are indeed switching automatically from approved to merged after an upload migrates. I remember we were wondering about that a while ago. Maybe it even wasn't working a while ago, but it is now
[12:26] <cpaelzer_> hi ahasenack
[12:27] <ahasenack> hi ahasenack
[12:27] <ahasenack> er
[12:27] <cpaelzer_> hehe
[12:27] <cpaelzer_> thanks for the info that they auto-merge
[12:27] <cpaelzer_> that is nice
[12:39] <rbasak> ahasenack: I think the reason it didn't work before was because the importer had stopped
[12:40] <ahasenack> could be
[12:46] <ahasenack> rbasak: is https://code.launchpad.net/~paelzer/ubuntu/+source/virt-manager/+git/virt-manager/+merge/356334 on your radar again, given cpaelzer's comment and latest change?
[12:49] <rbasak> ahasenack: I missed it. I'll look at it now.
[12:52] <Ussat> OK, not enough coffee this am, getting the ubuntu 18.04 live server amd is the correct one right to install server ?
[12:53]  * cpaelzer realized he need to ask ahasenack to ping rbasak more efficiently as direct pings are ignored :-P
[12:53] <sdeziel> ICMP over IRC is notoriously unreliable ;)
[12:53] <rbasak> Oh, sorry.
[12:53] <rbasak> I had only scrolled back to the most recent ping. Didn't realise the highlight in the window was for more pings :)
[12:53] <rbasak> ping overflow!
[12:54] <cpaelzer> can be abbreviated as Powerflow which makes it sound much nicer
[13:09] <rbasak> cpaelzer: virt-manager +1
[13:09] <cpaelzer> thanks rbasak
[13:20] <cpaelzer> rbasak: ahasenack: trying to split the external dependency lane I realized this isn't an issue for any of you
[13:21] <cpaelzer> which makes me reconsider the split being useless for the team
[13:21] <cpaelzer> if it is just me I can handle it with a few labels and be good for now
[13:21] <cpaelzer> thereby aborted the split of that lane
[13:21] <cpaelzer> although I cleaned up a few cards that I found hanging around
[13:50] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: I can confirm that merged is auto-set after leaving it on approved this time
[13:50] <ahasenack> nice
[13:51] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: and I see a time-matching mail of the "Ubuntu Git importer"
[13:51] <ahasenack> things are working! :)
[13:51] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: so maybe when we wondered in the past that things didn't get merged, the importer was down for a bit
[13:51] <cpaelzer> making it a more reliable service will help on that end as well
[13:51] <ahasenack> let's take that as a hint that the importer could be down
[13:51] <cpaelzer> yes
[13:52] <ahasenack> one of our canaries :)
[13:52] <cpaelzer> sprint on canary islands?
[13:52] <ahasenack> not quite :)
[13:52] <cpaelzer> that would have a reasonable distance for you I'd think
[13:53] <ahasenack> there are very nice beaches here within a 400km radius
[13:53] <ahasenack> https://bit.ly/2NAe4gk ~250km
[14:22] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: ticket 3465 was still egenrting diff the last time I checked
[14:22] <cpaelzer> I set the signoff
[14:22] <cpaelzer> but IIRC there are no good tests we can rely on
[16:36] <kierank> Hi, we've had our ubuntu 14.04 server x64 preseed break recently with linux-signed-generic-lts-xenial unmet dependencies. Has anyone seen this problem?
[16:39] <rbasak> kierank: is it reproducible?
[16:40] <kierank> rbasak: yes
[16:40] <rbasak> kierank: a possible failure mode is to do with a race condition. Which in theory shouldn't hit the updates pocket, but that's what I want to rule out.
[16:40] <rbasak> kierank: hours apart?
[16:40] <rbasak> kierank: can you confirm you don't have proposed pockets enabled?
[16:41] <kierank> rbasak: no proposed pockets
[16:41] <kierank> I don't have a date when it started failing but ~1-2 months ago we did our last preseed
[16:42] <rbasak> Do you have the error log?
[16:42] <kierank> rbasak: yes, just need to find a way of getting it off system
[16:43] <kierank> can provide the preseed file as well
[16:43]  * kierank sets up ftp server
[16:44] <sarnold> the pastebinit package and tool may be more convenient
[16:44] <sarnold> there's also http://termbin.com/
[16:45] <kierank> can't install anything
[16:45] <sarnold> that's the nice thing about termbin, it can use nc or telnet or whatever you're already likely to have
[16:45] <kierank> didn't know that
[16:46] <kierank> very useful
[16:46] <kierank> http://termbin.com/5wbv
[16:46] <kierank> rbasak: ^
[16:46] <rbasak> Thanks
[16:46] <rbasak> kierank: do you have a shell there available?
[16:46] <kierank> https://pastebin.com/fcp4XSxb
[16:46] <kierank> that's the preseed
[16:46] <kierank> rbasak: only the shell once it fails
[16:47] <rbasak> That's fine.
[16:47] <rbasak> Where it says "but it is not going to be installed", you can request it directly with apt
[16:47] <kierank> apt or apt-get doesn't seem to be installed
[16:47] <rbasak> It will be in the chroot I expect.
[16:48] <rbasak> Is it /target I think?
[16:48] <rbasak> I can't remember if in-target is a binary available to you
[16:48] <rbasak> I think it is
[16:48] <rbasak> try "in-target apt-get install linux-signed-generic-lts-xenial"
[16:48] <rbasak> Hopefully that will give you the same error?
[16:49] <kierank> just exists silently
[16:49] <kierank> immediately
[16:49] <kierank> exits*
[16:49] <kierank> ah errors in the shell
[16:49] <kierank> yes same error
[16:50] <rbasak> try "in-target apt-get install linux-signed-generic-lts-xenial linux-signed-image-generic-lts-xenial=<IP_ADDRESS>.21 linux-headers-generic-lts-xenial=<IP_ADDRESS>.21"
[16:50] <rbasak> Hopefully you'll see what I'm doing there.
[16:50] <rbasak> apt-get will give you more information as to why not.
[16:50] <rbasak> And you can follow down the tree by continuing to be more specific on the command line
[16:51] <kierank> thanks, we are trying this now
[16:51] <rbasak> Eventually you should get something more helpful, like something specific not being available.
[16:51] <rbasak> Then we can look into why that is.
[16:53] <rbasak> There is also "E: Unable to locate package linux-headers-signed-generic-lts-xenial" in your pastebin, which seems odd.
[16:54] <rbasak> I don't see that package either.
[16:55] <rbasak> That doesn't exist - it doesn't make sense to sign the headers package like that - and I don't see where a dependency on that might be coming from.
[16:55] <January> what should the `ls -1` of `ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-lts-xenial/` look like?
[16:56] <kierank> (January is working with me on this)
[16:57] <sarnold> here's what my home mirror looks like http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PQxfH7RNkt/
[16:57] <rbasak> I don't know. Take a look at archive.ubuntu.com?
[16:57] <January> we run `rename 's/~.*$/~14.04.1_amd64.udeb/' *` on `ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-lts-xenial` since the ISO seems to be always broken
[16:58] <rbasak> That sounds very wrong.
[16:59] <rbasak> "ISO seems to be always broken" -> if it's a bug, then we can look into that, but you can't hack around like that and expect things not to break eventually.
[17:12] <January> Well unsure under which conditions filenames are broken but it was definitely an issue, after switching to 14.04.5 instead of 14.04.4 and removing the hack seems to work now
[17:15] <January> rbasak: thanks anyway
[17:15] <sarnold> all sorted?
[17:16] <kierank> seems to be sorted, though the server wants to pxe boot first
[17:16] <kierank> fixed that and it's good
[17:17] <sarnold> woot
[17:17] <sarnold> did the failed kickstart https validation cause any trouble?
[17:49] <teward> anyone ever fiddled with a kubernetes cluster on LXD?
[17:49] <teward> and *not* get it to detect the local LXD storage pool even though it's there?
[17:57] <teward> oops solved it, LXD version conflictions
[18:38] <teward> sarnold: did you ever get a response on the ngx_brotli issues you opened?
[18:40] <sarnold> teward: no
[18:47] <teward> thought not :p
[18:47] <teward> but meh they're probably "not caring"
[18:47] <teward> :P
[18:48] <sarnold> yeah. "not my code bug google" or similar
[19:55] <DenBeiren_> what package would you advise for transmission?
[20:20] <plm> anyone see TJ- today? =D
[20:47] <sarnold> no, he dropped off around the time of the huge netsplits..
[21:38] <malgorath> Not sure if I ask this here, but its a start, I have 18.04 installed and trying to get lxc to work and I'm having issues getting it up and running. i keep getting failed to start as the message. I am running this as non-root user as unprivileged
[21:39] <sarnold> anything in dmesg? how about the logs? lxc or lxd?
[21:40] <malgorath> I'm using the lxc-start command if that helps
[21:40] <malgorath> Really new to lxc, used docker a bit and usually I'm using something like virtual box
[21:40] <sarnold> did you pick lxc for a specific reason? lxd is a lot neater imho :)
[21:41] <malgorath> I was told LFCE has a section on the Linux Containers, not sure if its lxc or lxd
[21:42] <rbasak> malgorath: what's the exact command you're typing that fails?
[21:42] <rbasak> malgorath: separately there's #lxcontainers that has the experts. We're a little more generalist here.
[21:43] <malgorath> lxc-create -t download -n 100 works fine, then I run lxc-start -n 100 -F
[21:43] <malgorath> Error I get is: The container failed to start.
[21:44] <rbasak> If you're starting new, I suggest you use the lxc command, rather than the older lxc-* interface
[21:45] <rbasak> Start with https://linuxcontainers.org/lxd/getting-started-cli/
[21:45] <malgorath> ah maybe the tut I was using was old
[21:45] <malgorath> https://linuxcontainers.org/lxc/getting-started/
[21:45] <malgorath> ah I was close
[21:45] <rbasak> IMHO that should be less prominent.
[21:45] <rbasak> stgraber: ^
[21:47] <malgorath> I missed something or was that to someone else?
[21:50] <malgorath> rbasak, thanks for that link, already a big help
[21:50] <rbasak> That was to a colleague to whom I'm giving feedback about the docs having misled you (IMHO) :)
[21:53] <malgorath> Thanks again ^.^
[21:53] <rbasak> You're welcome :)
[23:47] <treehug88> I'm seeing weird errors building gnupg on ubuntu-rolling. Anyone know anything about that?
[23:50] <sarnold> there's some warnings in the most recent build logs .. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnupg2/2.2.8-3ubuntu1/+build/15328452
[23:50] <sarnold> but it hasn't been rebuilt for over a month, maybe there's something newly busted?
[23:52] <treehug88> seems like it, might be transitory. Just started seeing issues today . Here's an example: https://travis-ci.org/sobolevn/git-secret/jobs/439807252
[23:54] <sarnold> thats a lot of red
[23:54] <treehug88> yeah


[08:05] <aleb> How can I become a maintainer of the Launchpad package I'm developing (upstream)? https://launchpad.net/pitivi
[08:06] <aleb> I want to mark as won't fix bugs like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pitivi/+bug/594658 (0.13 and 0.15 are not supported anymore as large parts of the app have been refactored)
[08:07] <wgrant> aleb: Those bugs are in the pitivi package in Ubuntu, not the upstream Pitivi project. You need to be a member of ~ubuntu-bugcontrol (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl) to set an Ubuntu bug to Won't Fix.
[08:39] <ersi> I'd suggest hanging out with the Ubuntu Bug Squad as well, since plenty of them are members of ~ubuntu-bugcontrol and can help changing bug statuses. They're in #ubuntu-bugs on this very same network.
[10:04] <aleb> What's the difference between https://launchpad.net/pitivi and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pitivi ? - as a Pitivi developer with some interest in helping Ubuntu, which one should I care about?
[10:15] <geser> aleb: the first is about the upstream project, the second about the Ubuntu package of it; of course bugs filed against the Ubuntu package might be bugs not in the packaging itself but bugs in the software (upstream), so it probably would be best to check both
[11:11] <rbasak> May I have my personal PPAs (~racb) armhf enabled, please?
[11:12] <rbasak> I use an ARM Chromebook and it's a pain to get modified package builds on it some other way.
[12:49] <MannerMan> launchpad.net seems down
[12:49] <stxaBe> MannerMan: when?
[12:50] <MannerMan> stxaBe: right now
[12:50] <eLBati> stxaBe, now :-)
[12:50] <MannerMan> its back!
[12:50]  * stxaBe checking
[12:50] <eLBati> affirmative
[13:11] <Durzo> how long does it take to fully delete a PPA once i have clicked deleted? seems to be hanging around a while...
[13:17] <wgrant> Durzo: Usually 10-30 minutes.
[13:17] <Durzo> kthx
[15:04] <stxaBe> are you performing maintenance right now?
[15:05] <cjwatson> no but there's some kind of datacentre packet loss problem, sysadmins are aware
[15:22] <rdf> Greetings.  Is anyone from Launchpad support active in this channel?
[15:22] <dobey> rdf: just ask your question, don't ask to ask.
[15:23] <dobey> rdf: if it's about launchpad being "down" though, there are some network problems that sysadmins are working on
[15:23] <rdf> No, it's about a support ticket I put in a couple of weeks ago that seems to have been forgotten
[15:23] <rdf> on gaining access to a username that appears to have been abandoned for the last 6 years
[15:24] <Adri2000> hi
[15:24] <rdf> Hi!
[15:24] <dobey> rdf: oh, then i think you will have to just be patient
[15:25] <dobey> rdf: you opened a question on answers.launchpad.net/launchpad right?
[15:25] <rdf> Umm, no.  I contacted support
[15:26] <Adri2000> anyone familiar with bzr/lp interaction could help with this please :) : % bzr lp-propose lp:~adri2000/neutron/juno-rename-fixes
[15:26] <Adri2000> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~adri2000/neutron/juno-rename-fixes/".
[15:26] <dobey> rdf: how exactly?
[15:26] <wgrant> rdf: What was the ticket ID?
[15:27] <wgrant> Adri2000: That branch doesn't exist. You need to push it before you can propose it.
[15:27] <rdf> 00066498
[15:28] <rdf> wgrant, exact email subject reads: Re:Other:No.00066498 [ ref:_00D20145O._500D0bdrGQ:ref ]
[15:29] <wgrant> rdf: I don't know where you sent that email, but that looks nothing like any of our support systems.
[15:29] <dobey> yeah that is very weird
[15:29] <wgrant> Which address did you use?
[15:29] <wgrant> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>are the places to go
[15:29] <rdf> I sent it though launchpad, and received that email from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:30] <wgrant> How did you send it?
[15:30] <rdf><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:30] <wgrant> Not which address, but how?
[15:30] <rdf> umm
[15:31] <rdf> https://forms.canonical.com/sso-support/
[15:31] <dobey> that is not launchpad support
[15:32] <dobey> i wonder how you even managed to get to that page :)
[15:33] <rdf> Contact Support at the bottom of the page when logged off
[15:33] <rdf> SSO support
[15:33]  * rdf facepalms
[15:33] <rdf> no wonder
[15:33] <rdf> explains why they told me to delete the account or merge it :)
[15:34] <rdf> Alright... what's the correct way to ask for the nick on an abandoned account?
[15:34] <rdf> err username
[15:34] <dobey> if you were told that, it's also not "no reply for the last 2 weeks and forgotten about" :)
[15:35] <dobey> rdf: 11:27 < wgrant> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>are the places to go
[15:35] <rdf> got it
[15:35] <rdf> also, is there a restriction on 3 character usernames?
[15:36] <rdf> I was giving up on using one name, and decided to use rdf, but was told it was blocked.
[15:36] <wgrant> No.
[15:37] <dobey> there is no rdf user currently
[15:37] <rdf> The name 'rdf' has been blocked by the Launchpad administrators. Contact Launchpad Support if you want to use this name.
[15:37] <dobey> but maybe "rdf" is in a blacklist, because it conflicts with a certain standard or something
[15:38] <dobey> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_Description_Framework
[15:39] <rdf> doesn't look like I'll be able to use that name then :)
[15:40] <dobey> anyway, you cana use any username that's not already taken, or blocked, and you can change your "username" anytime later to anything that's not already taken, or blocked, as well
[15:43] <Adri2000> wgrant: got it, thanks
[15:44] <Adri2000> (I thought it'd create and push on its own)
[15:54] <rdf> dobey, wgrant: thanks for setting me straight.
[15:54] <rdf> I've posted my question on answers.launchpad.net with question #247578
[15:56] <wgrant> rdf: Done.
[15:56] <RFleming> Thanks! :)
[15:57] <RFleming> wgrant, out of curiosity, is RDF blocked for the reason dobey stated above, for Resource Description Framework?
[15:58] <wgrant> RFleming: It is.
[15:59] <RFleming> makes sense.  Thanks for RFleming, I doubt rdf would have been permitted :)
[16:28] <rbasak> May I have my personal PPAs (~racb) armhf enabled, please? I use an ARM Chromebook and it's a pain to get modified package builds on it some other way.
[18:18] <saiarcot895> I have a bit of an annoyance with the website. There's an invisible help frame in the top-left section of the page (around 580 pixels by 280 pixels). In Chromium, right-clicking in that area brings up the context menu for that page, and not what's underneath it (say, a link). This makes it a little harder to open links in a new tab
[18:24] <dobey> huh?
[18:25] <dobey> oh it's from yui
[18:26] <dobey> saiarcot895: i guess you could adblock that frame, to work around chromium apparently doing the wrong thing
[18:28] <saiarcot895> dobey: ok, I added an adblock rule for the frame.
[18:28] <saiarcot895> dobey: works fine now, thanks
[18:29] <dobey> saiarcot895: it seems chromium is deciding to prefer display: block; over the visibility: hidden; from the css
[18:30] <saiarcot895> dobey: strange. I thought visibility:hidden would mean there would be no effects triggered or anything
[18:31] <dobey> saiarcot895: it might be a bug in new chromium (>= 34)
[22:03] <knome> hey, any admin around? i need some assistance to remove some projects etc :)
[22:03] <knome> it's not just one thing, so i'd rather go through it with somebody when they pop up :)


[00:02] <yohomer> actually that was softkey (and maybe 20+y); not touchkey; the NOkkia N-810 had the hardkey querty slide; both with 80 column terminals in the shirtpocket.
[00:12] <courrier> deja-dup fails at restoring my last backup... it hangs always on the same file (some JPG in my ~/Images dir) ... what can I do?
[00:20] <raidghost> Ubuntu 18.04.03 Has started to be not nice. the mousepad and the keyboard stops working after the sign in gnome login
[00:22] <libreWorld> gonna have to access the log files
[00:23] <raidghost> libreWorld: Then i have to wait until back from work. Since i cant access the log files and paste it
[00:25] <squeige> Hey folks I am really struggling getting ubuntu to run on windows 10 hyperV, I keep getting stuck on a blank screen at the begining right after installation
[00:26] <libreWorld> raidghost, got an extra mouse and keyboard? try plugging them in and see if works, would make things easy to get at log files
[00:27] <raidghost> libreWorld: Not here. But guess i just wait for the new LTS version
[00:28] <raidghost> My girlfriends laptop with 18.04 Says "no wifi card" (broadcom card) but its there. Allways worked. just ubuntu that seems to want to mess with my MOOD
[00:29] <libreWorld> well bummer
[00:29] <tsujp> how do I add DNS forwards?
[00:29] <raidghost> libreWorld: So i guess HP just dont have good support for linux
[00:30] <libreWorld> squeige, so are u saying it doesn't boot after install? is grub loading?
[00:30] <jeremy31> raidghost: post URL from terminal for>  lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 net | nc termbin.com 9999
[00:32] <squeige> Grub loads, I get a purple screen with ubunutu logo then just a black screen with a blinking cursor
[00:34] <libreWorld> can you hit the esc key when purple screen comes and get to verbose to see boot process?
[00:34] <squeige> one second let me try that
[00:34] <squeige> question is virtual box a better solution to hyperv?
[00:35] <libreWorld> I haven't used hyperv in so long so no idea of it's state
[00:35] <libreWorld> virtualbox should be no issues
[00:35] <squeige> same performance?
[00:36] <libreWorld> always ran good for me and my hardware
[00:36] <libreWorld> even sets up the display drivers correctly without having to jump thru hoops
[00:37] <libreWorld> I suspect you are having display issues with hyperv
[00:37] <squeige> I am almost done resintalling ubuntu to try it again
[00:38] <squeige> I suspect the same but not sure...
[00:38] <raidghost> jeremy31: what is ubuntu with wayland ?
[00:38] <raidghost> That option works to sign in with
[00:38] <raidghost> but the "ubuntu" selection does just freeze after sign in
[00:38] <jeremy31> raidghost: that is an option I don't use
[00:38] <squeige> if you think I am better off with virtualbox Ill switch immediately
[00:38] <raidghost> can i remove the ubuntu option
[00:38] <raidghost> so it only has ubuntu with wayland?
[00:39] <squeige>  I want to learn to write linux scripts so even headless would rock
[00:39] <libreWorld> like I said, been a long time since I touched hyperV
[00:39] <squeige> lol ok
[00:39] <squeige> well its almost done last attempt
[00:39] <squeige> you would think hyper-v the better solution since its already intergrated with MS>...
[00:40] <squeige> argh
[00:40] <libreWorld> you verify the iso?
[00:40] <squeige>  I did
[00:41] <squeige> ok its booting, hit escape saw all the verbose and got back to blinking cursor yet again
[00:41] <libreWorld> if I recall the last time I used hyperV, never got the full screen display working
[00:42] <squeige> Ill switch to virtual box....
[00:42] <libreWorld> did u see what the last line was?
[00:42] <squeige> too fast
[00:42] <libreWorld> lol
[00:43] <squeige> any way to pause it?
[00:43] <squeige> ctrl-alt f2 not working either
[00:44] <libreWorld> not that I know of on boot
[00:44] <squeige> remove stale online ext I think it says
[00:45] <squeige> turning hyper v off... need to reboot switching to virtualbox
[00:45] <squeige> is that what you use?
[00:46] <libreWorld> yea for windows
[00:47] <squeige> back
[00:48] <libreWorld> hope the virtualbox goes better
[00:57] <doug16k> why does my volume control behave as though there is a 4-bit volume register on my sound device?
[00:57] <doug16k> not exaggerating. there are 16 increments from zero to max
[00:57] <yohomer> incremental Victory!! .... v18 installed on sda6 with a master grub on sda3 (??) .... both systems boot .... one more to add
[00:58] <libreWorld> congrats I guess
[00:59] <shibboleth> is netplan still the plan for upcoming lts?
[00:59] <yohomer> oh, I'm very pleased; that was a milestone
[00:59] <shibboleth> or did it fare about as well as upstart?
[01:02] <doug16k> ah I see. when I change it through my keyboard it changes in huge increments but dragging the volume with mouse is fine. can I make the volume keybinds less aggressive?
[01:10] <doug16k> figured it out. you have to hold shift when you change the volume. it makes it change half as much
[01:26] <whislock> shibboleth: netplan is already in 18.04 LTS and every subsequent release. netplan is not a replacement for systemd-networkd or NetworkManager. All it is is a configuration utility, and that's all its designed to be. You can easily remove it if desired, or disable its functionality.
[01:26] <wxb> whislock, What is it though??
[01:26] <whislock> wxb: It's a YAML-based network configuration generator.
[01:27] <longus_catus> I just upgraded to Ubuntu 19.10 from... 19.04 and it seems that my fonts put chinese at a higher priority than japanese...which makes the wrong versions of certain symbols appear.  How do I change this (without making japanese my ui default language) (japanese support works fine already, it's just the wrong version of the font)
[01:27] <wxb> Do some people have concerns about it?
[01:27] <Bashing-om> !netplan | wxb
[01:27] <whislock> wxb: There are a few very small features that exist in systemd-networkd and NetworkManager that netplan does not yet support.
[01:27] <wxb> thanks Bashing-om :)
[01:27] <whislock> wxb: There are bugs open for two of them.
[01:28] <Labu> hello
[01:29] <wxb> Okay. Is it a big deal though? Sounds kinda regular to me, but I'm likely missing something... It's not like 'Ubuntu drops Unity' earth-shattering news, is it?
[01:29] <sarnold> it's change, and people get cranky with change
[01:29] <sarnold> I've certainly had my moments :)
[01:29] <wxb> Are other distros adopting it?
[01:29] <sarnold> but I certainly had frustrations with /etc/network/interfaces so this one's a lot easier for me to accept :) hehe
[01:30] <Labu> I run ubuntu 19.04 on dell insipron 13 7000 2-in-1. I would like to know how I can make a bug report. I try ubuntu-bug about many issues with hardware but ubuntu-bug need a PID of a program.
[01:30] <sarnold> ubuntu-bug can also take a package name or executable name
[01:31] <Labu> sarnold: yes but it's not related to package in particular
[01:31] <Labu> to *a pacjager
[01:31] <Labu> *package
[01:31] <Labu> arff
[01:31] <sarnold> hehe, don't worry too much about simple typos, most folks on irc are quite good at reading around them
[01:32] <Labu> the touchpad doesn't work, it doesn't recover from a "suspend to RAM", the touchscreen doesn't work
[01:33] <longus_catus> Well, that sucks...
[01:34] <sarnold> yeah, that's a lot to have go wrong :(
[01:34] <Labu> yes :-(
[01:34] <longus_catus> It would be more expedient to search for your hardware on a google, and poke in some forums
[01:35] <longus_catus> Then again, I'm not exactly sure how Ubuntu takes hardware support requests
[01:39] <Labu> on the previous version of dell inspiron  linux seems to work. It's a very recent version with a Intel I7 10th gen . Perhaps a driver issue... I tried with fedora and I get exctly tyhe smae problem
[01:42] <Labu> It's a laptop provided by my enterprise. I would make a bug report and get some advice from developper which could confirm the driver issue (or find a solution pehaps)
[01:42] <Labu> is there a bug report system for the kernel ?
[01:42] <sarnold> several..
[01:43] <longus_catus> It's not an Ubuntu specific problem...and you're probably not the first person to have this problem
[01:43] <Labu> I mean for linux itself
[01:43] <sarnold> ubuntu-bug linux  will file a bug report in launchpad against the kernel
[01:43] <sarnold> bugzilla.kernel.org also exists, but they'll likely want you to test with 'upstream kernels', eg built from git sources
[01:43] <Labu> ok I am ging to do this
[01:44] <sarnold> you'll probably need to do both
[01:44] <sarnold> linux is almost certainly the right choice for the suspend issues
[01:44] <sarnold> I'm less sure of the trackpad and touchscreen
[01:44] <Labu> I don't think I am competent to compile a kernel from scratch
[01:46] <Labu> I could try with a arch or a gentoo the kernel  is perhaps more recent
[01:46] <sarnold> depending on the machine, it might not be too bad; if you download the sources, run 'make localmodconfig' 'make bzImage modules install' ; 'sudo make install' it'd probably get there
[01:51] <Labu> sarnold are you sure ? I tried to build a LFS and the book learn howt to make a chroot environment with very specific package to build it. I am afraid I will not have the required dependencies in ubuntu. For the touchpad and the touchscreen Aren't the driver be loaded as kernel module ?
[01:52] <sarnold> Labu: if you don't usually build software, installing the 'build-essential' metapackage would bring in a large number of other packages needed for building.. it's possible the kernel would require still more, but I don't expect too many
[01:53] <ironpillow> Hi all, I have my account on ubuntu machine with a strong password. What if anyone get's hold of the hard drive from the machine, can they access my data?
[01:54] <sarnold> I'm not sure about the touchpad and touchscreen -- those drivers could live in userspace. libinput does quite a lot of the heavy lifting for those sorts of devices
[01:54] <sarnold> ironpillow: did you use full disk encryption or per-user data encryption in the installer?
[01:54] <ironpillow> sarnold: hey!
[01:54] <vlt> ironpillow: Yes. Unless you have an additional encrypted file system.
[01:55] <ironpillow> I used the basic installer with LVM option. I don't know if it encrypts full disk or per-user
[01:56] <Labu> ok sarnold, it's tricky... but I don't take a big risk. at wortst it will not compile
[01:56] <sarnold> ironpillow: does 'lsblk' show any crypt or luks lines?
[01:57] <ironpillow> This is a headless ubuntu server installation. So I didn't use the regular GUI
[01:57] <ironpillow> sarnold: checking
[01:57] <sarnold> I think mount | grep -i ecrypt could show you if you used per-user encrypted home dirs, assuming you're logged in with a user account that has such a directory
[01:58] <ironpillow> lsblk doesn't show any crypt or luks lines
[01:59] <ironpillow> mount | grep -i ecrypt does show any output
[02:00] <sarnold> does? or does not?
[02:00] <ironpillow> sorry - does not
[02:01] <ironpillow> vlt: can they also ready root user's files?
[02:01] <sarnold> then there is a very good chance that your data is stored entirely unencrypted, and it would be quite trivial for someone who has stolen your computer to get access to the data on it
[02:01] <vlt> ironpillow: Yes.
[02:01] <ironpillow> vlt: oh no!
[02:01] <sarnold> it's pretty easy to reboot with eg "init=/bin/bash" kernel command line parameter and have a fully privileged root shell with no restrictions
[02:02] <sarnold> (it's very handy in case you forget your password; sooner or later every linux admin will need this :)
[02:02] <vlt> ironpillow: That’s what full disk encryption is for.
[02:02] <ironpillow> anyway to encrypt it post installation - I am using LVM
[02:03] <sarnold> you could rely on bios drive locking, but that can be circumvented by removing your hard drive controller and replacing it with an unlocked drive controller. not easy but not impossible
[02:03] <vlt> ironpillow: Yes. Just pvmove to an encrypted PV
[02:03] <vlt> ironpillow: Your kernel usually needs to be run from an unencrypted part of the disk, though.
[02:04] <vlt> ironpillow: And you need to have the cryptsetup binary in your initrd.img.
[02:04] <ironpillow> oh...didn't know about `pvmove`.
[02:04] <ironpillow> oh so pvmove will only work if cryptsetup binary was in my initrd.img?
[02:05] <ironpillow> sarnold: I'll check if my bios supports it
[02:05] <whislock> BIOS drive locking doesn't actually secure the information on the disk.
[02:05] <vlt> ironpillow: No, pvmove works independently.
[02:05] <whislock> Just to be clear.
[02:06] <vlt> ironpillow: You need to have cryptsetup *outside* your encrypted system to unlock it, obviously ;)
[02:06] <sarnold> yes; full disk encryption is the 'gold standard' here
[02:07] <ironpillow> Got it. I have to read up on cryptsetup and pvmove
[02:07] <ironpillow> Thanks all!
[02:09] <sarnold> have fun ironpillow :)
[02:15] <de-facto> ironpillow, maybe something like this? https://hamy.io/post/0009/how-to-install-luks-encrypted-ubuntu-18.04.x-server-and-enable-remote-unlocking/    you might rely on the IP network in between to be sure not to remotely unlock an "evil clone" though
[02:21] <de-facto> i would not want to rely on closed source hw disk controllers for encryption as they store the data encryption key which you unlock with your password and you cant know there is no second "security by obscurity" key hidden in there for third party unlocking
[02:23] <sarnold> heck, they aren't even *that* good
[02:23] <sarnold> most encrypted hard drive things are just garbage, heh
[02:27] <whislock> Many encrypted hard drive implementations use hard-coded passwords/keys that are common to ALL drives in the product line.
[02:28] <de-facto> yeah the horror
[02:51] <ironpillow> de-facto: oh thanks!
[03:49] <aHoo> which ubuntu derivative should i use if i want it to be based on debian?
[03:49] <sarnold> all ubuntu derivatives are derivatives of debian
[03:50] <oerheks> !flavors
[03:51] <aHoo> i want an ubuntu that uses my bad ass gpu to give me max. eye candy and brain orgasms.
[03:51] <aHoo> which one would i use then?
[03:52] <aHoo> oerheks, thx
[03:52] <libreWorld> laptop? desktop? amd? nvidia? intel? none of the above?
[03:54] <oerheks> tons of tweaks and themes and eyecandy ... that is why flightsimulator is created
[03:54] <aHoo> desktop, amd, intel
[03:55] <libreWorld> desktop, shouldn't matter much which flavor
[03:55] <oerheks> longest tread on ubuntu forum: show us your conky https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=281865&page=2347
[03:55] <aHoo> professional desktop!
[03:55] <aHoo> like coding all day long.
[03:55] <oerheks> try the one you like best
[03:56] <aHoo> downloading budgie rn
[03:56] <libreWorld> coding, nice, tiling window manager
[03:56] <aHoo> well i code in a vm in windows actually
[03:57] <aHoo> only use the linux as a hypervisor
[03:57] <libreWorld> that works
[04:42] <flog>
[04:48] <tomreyn> hello space boy
[05:50] <Guest_11> I'm having a lot of crackling coming from the qsynth midi synth. It's sometimes worse than other times, and its unpredictable. It's using ALSA and switching to the lowlatency kernel didnt help. Running qsynth as root hangs the system and requires going to a tty to kill qsynth.
[07:03] <ngm> Bluetooth audio pauses for few seconds for a while, is the wifi conflicting with bluetooth in anyway that the transfer is being affected? or is there any config to get the bluetooth transfer with good speed? Some info: driver: rtw_pci, modules: rtw_pci, r8822be.Also I am connected to wifi for internet. Also the upload transfer rate is 26.5 KB/s for the connected bluetooth device,  upload transfer drops to 16 B/s when the audio stops.
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> ngm: wich ubuntu version and kernel please
[07:27] <ponyrider> ngm: no basically you might now get the results you expect streaming to a bluetooth device and i think its that the drivers aren't so good, but now it's 2019 so i am not sure what the current status is
[07:35] <ponyrider> ngm: i might add: you can use something like mplayer to lower the bitrate, that might stop the dropouts
[08:20] <igeni> when i check the lifecycle span of ubuntu 19.04
[08:20] <igeni> it says its a interim release
[08:20] <igeni> does that mean it will get support for alot of years or only the selection of years in grey https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
[08:20] <igeni> from what i read its only the grey periood right, so for a production server i should upgrade to 20
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> igeni: its not really reccomended to use non-lts versions for produtcion
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> igeni: non-lts releases are supported for 9months
[08:21] <igeni> no lts are versions in interim?
[08:21] <igeni> non-lts.
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[08:21] <igeni> k
[08:22] <igeni> i can just do a release-upgrade from 19.04 to 20 right
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> you can test servers for newer features on them of course, the users choice
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> igeni: upgrades always jump to the next number first, 19.04==>19.10==>20.04 etc
[08:22] <igeni> i made this mistake once and didnt pat attention some of my servers where on a very very old ubuntu, noi
[08:23] <igeni> wont happen again haha
[08:23] <igeni> k i will jump to 20 now then, so i dont make that mistake again
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> depending on what the users wants, we advice the LTS way
[08:23] <igeni> its a web server
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> igeni: 20.04 is not out yet, only the development version atm
[08:24] <igeni> mm ok so i should wait for it to be final, i cant downgrade to 18.04 right
[08:25] <lotuspsychje> igeni: ideally you would clean install 18.04 indeed, and wait for the next LTS 20.04 when its out
[08:26] <igeni> clean install woudl suck , already fully made it production ready, igues i can safely wait on 20 to be final and then upgrade it
[08:26] <igeni> i gues that will happen within 9 months
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> igeni: your systems, your choice
[08:27] <igeni> april 2020 i read here
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> igeni: jumping to 20.04 in april is also not really the LTS way, since 18.04 will jump to 20.04.1 when its out soemwhere in july
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> for servers, more stability and more bugs sorted etc
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> igeni: so if uptime & stability are important for you, we reccomend following the lts way
[08:29] <igeni> thanks i will do that from now on
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> great
[08:39] <CoffeeCattle> I want to stream local FTP video from my computer to my laptop but when I try I can't skim the video, only watch it linearly while it buffers. I can skim the video on android and ios. I've mounted the drive through nautilus and thunar (both used the same method it seems) . Anyone know how I can do this?
[09:50] <Mat63> hello
[09:51] <Mat63> XD
[10:12] <asdfgh> hello! guys i have a pandas dataframe with a column with values 0, 1 and 2 so bascially a series like: 1,0,0,0,2,0,1,0,2 etc i would like to get groups/slice of the series where the column start from a 1 and ends with 2, so looking at the example i wrote i should get two groups, (1)  1,0,0,0,2    and the second (2) 1,0,2
[10:12] <asdfgh> how can i do that?
[10:19] <asdfgh> wrong channel, pardon.
[10:19] <asdfgh> :)
[10:46] <eising> Hey there. I have an old almost forgotten vm running 16.04, and in order to free up space on a completely filled /boot partition, I may have accidentally nuked all kernels. I tried apt-get install linux-generic which claims that the newest kernel is already installed, but when I run update-grub I don't see any linux kernels in its output, so I'm worried that grub doesn't find any kernels and a reboot would brick it
[10:46] <eising> any ideas?
[10:49] <jeremy31> eising check in /boot to see if there are any kernel files
[10:50] <eising> jeremy31: there are no vmlinuz
[10:50] <jeremy31> eising: try>  sudo apt install --reinstall linux-image-$(uname -r)
[10:53] <eising> jeremy31: there we go, thanks a lot :)
[10:56] <feannag> The python script in my cronjob is not running. What am i doing wrong? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/H7NRX66mk3/ https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jBHVFhJT7r/ https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/phNFkQFFDQ/
[10:56] <eising> now the question is whether I dare restart it, since I've lost access to the vmware console :)
[11:07] <feannag> The python script in my cronjob is not running. What am i doing wrong? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/H7NRX66mk3/ https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jBHVFhJT7r/ https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/phNFkQFFDQ/
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> feannag: dont repeat too often please
[11:08] <feannag> lotuspsychje, i know, thought there was some problem with the network.
[11:43] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:08] <CryptoManiac> Hello. I have an application that relies on libcurl3 but I also have an application that needs php5.6 to run which relies on libcurl4. This causes an issue for both application to co-exist in harmony on my server. Any suggestions or workarounds?
[13:11] <tomreyn> CryptoManiac: which ubuntu version are you running there?
[13:12] <tomreyn> There's no supported Ubuntu version which still provides php 5.* packages, so this must be veeery old or using 3rd party packages, or both. i doubt anyone is able to maintain 5.x packages with all security patches.
[13:15] <tomreyn> ubuntu 18.04 and later should use libcurl4, only 16.04 should use libcurl3
[13:26] <ioria> CryptoManiac, that ^, but if you want a dog breakfast recipe, you can prepend ibcurl.so.3 to the affected application
[13:29] <CryptoManiac> tomreyn: Apologies for the late reply. I'm on Ubuntu 18.04 and I forgot to mention earlier that I'm using 3rd party packages to get php5.6 installed.
[13:30] <CryptoManiac> ioria: By prepend you mean I should just make sure the libcurl.so.3 library files are in place?
[13:30] <ioria> nope
[13:30] <ioria> CryptoManiac, as you said one removes the other
[13:31] <CryptoManiac> Yes that's right. They can't co-exist.
[13:32] <ioria> CryptoManiac, uless, you install 3, copy somewhere the lib, remove 3 and reinstall 4
[13:32] <CryptoManiac> Ok. Will give that a try
[13:32] <ioria> and finally prepend 3
[13:40] <CryptoManiac> I came accross this https://dev.to/jake/using-libcurl3-and-libcurl4-on-ubuntu-1804-bionic-184g
[13:40] <CryptoManiac> reading it now
[13:41] <ioria> CryptoManiac, maybe that won't work because you don't have a 'real' libcurl.so.3 on bionic; you need to rename libcurl.so.4.5.0 to  libcurl.so.3
[13:42] <ioria> CryptoManiac, rename libcurl.so.4.5.0 off the 3 package , i mean
[13:45] <deadrom> hi
[13:45] <deadrom> somewhat off-topic: does anybody know how to convert a win10 iso into a usb thumb drive in ubuntu? there is WoeUSB but that crashes with errors
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: winusb & woeusb are your best bets
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: you could try a ppa with woeusb, works better then the snap version, use at your own risk cause we dont really reccomend external !ppa
[13:51] <deadrom> lotuspsychje: I compiles git from src and *that* wouldn't work. crashes the moment it wants to echo values to /proc/sys/vm
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: we cant help with the compiled version, ask that to the maintainer
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: you could try the snap version, but last time i tryed it did not seem very useful
[13:55] <deadrom> lotuspsychje: got a ppa address?
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: use at own risk: http://ppa.launchpad.net/nilarimogard/webupd8/ubuntu/pool/main/w/woeusb/
[13:57] <deadrom> I appreciate the security hint, but at this level of emphasis I have to ask if that particular src is shady in any way
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: see also snap info woe-usb
[14:04] <deadrom> lotuspsychje: snap woeusbgut: "Error opening directory '/proc/sys/vm': Permission denied"
[14:04] <deadrom> and that's exactly the issue. it crashes the moment it tries to access the vm files. 18.04LTS. same happens wiht self-compiled git src
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: vm files?
[14:05] <deadrom> cli version same issue. the echo command at line 1677 where it tries to echo a 0 value into the "dirty" params in vm it's all over
[14:05] <deadrom> lotuspsychje: /proc/sys/vm/dirty*
[14:22] <CryptoManiac> tomreyn and ioria: Thank you very much for your help. I just wanted to let you know that I found something that has been the easiest solution so far to be able to run both libcurl3 and libcurl4 on Unbuntu 18.04. Check out https://launchpad.net/~xapienz/+archive/ubuntu/curl34
[14:22] <CryptoManiac> :-)
[14:29] <davegarath> Hi all, I have a strange problem about DNS and my VPN (openvpn). Following some guide I stopped and disabled systemd-resolved.service and I have put "dns=default" in my /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf. All work fine but I have a problem resolving names in my zone work.local. If I try to resolv host.work.local it doesn't work, but if put wok.local in my search in /etc/resolv.conf and try to resolv host it works fine
[14:29] <deadrom> lotuspsychje: https://github.com/slacka/WoeUSB/issues/267 <- well know issues and some workarounds to address the bugs in the workarounds...
[14:54] <nekowaiidesu> Can anyone give me any advice or help (Not super savvy on linux) - I have an AMD GPU and use the default drivers built into Xubuntu 18.04.. A game crashed and something has gone wrong. When my PC boots the GPU fans run full speed, I had to manually use pwmconfig and run fancontrol to keep them normalish for now. Another problem persists though, my entire system stutters every few seconds
[14:55] <nekowaiidesu> I know it's not hardware coz if I live-boot everything is normal
[14:56] <shvm> Install drivers from GPU manufacturer website
[15:01] <nekowaiidesu> I'll give it a try shvm, although i was hoping it's possible to fix the canonical drivers since they've worked great til that crash
[15:26] <courrier> Although I'm still using the same keyboard layout, 19.10 broke my accents, I can no longer type ê because the circumflex appears before I can complete with the letter, which gives ^e. What setting is that?
[15:29] <akk> How did you type it before? There are several different types of input method (dead key, compose key, probably others).
[15:30] <courrier> I kept pressing the ^ key and the letter "e" or "a" meanwhile akk
[15:31] <courrier> My usual layout is "French, eliminate dead keys", which is the one I currently have
[15:31] <courrier> is what I described the dead key method?
[15:33] <akk> I think so.
[15:34] <akk> Have you looked in Settings for something Keyboard settings? (Sorry, I don't run a default ubuntu desktop so I can't search here, I'm googling but not finding anything clear.)
[15:34] <courrier> I finally found out a layout that allows me to type ê! Crazy I thought I was using the "no dead key" layout!
[15:34] <courrier> akk thank you :)
[15:35] <akk> yay!
[15:35] <akk> Glad you figured it out since I wasn't much help. :)
[15:36] <courrier> You pointed out that it was a layout issue while I thought it wasn't
[15:37] <akk> That's something, anyway. :)
[15:37] <akk> I use a compose key and set it by editing a file, so I only know about dead keys theoretically.
[16:31] <Taggnostr> hello
[16:32] <peeonyou> hi
[16:34] <Taggnostr> I have an external usb ntfs drive and I'm using ntfs-3g and want to be able to have characters such as ':' in the filenames.  AFAIU ntfs-3g already allows this unless the windows_names option is passed, but if I do `mount | grep sdd` it says 'type fuseblk' and lists a few options that don't include windows_names, but I'm still unable to use ':' in the filenames
[16:35] <Taggnostr> the drive is mounted automatically when I plug it in, so I'm not sure where to look to see if windows_names is being passed and how to prevent it, do you know how to verify/change that?
[16:48] <ioria> Taggnostr, just run 'mount'
[16:48] <Taggnostr> ioria, if I run mount it says it's using fuseblk and windows_names doesn't appear in the list of options, even though it appears to be used
[16:49] <ioria> Taggnostr, just run 'mount'
[16:49] <ioria> Taggnostr, sy, try to umount and remount in another location
[16:49] <Taggnostr> specifying ntfs-3g and different options?
[16:50] <ioria> Taggnostr, mmm, nope plain and simple
[16:55] <johnjay> is there supposed to be only 2 workspaces in ubuntu 18.04 by default?
[16:55] <johnjay> i thought there were 4. i can switch between them at least with ctrl-alt-up arrow though
[16:59] <Taggnostr> ioria, that worked, thanks!
[16:59] <Taggnostr> ioria, is there any way I can set it as default behavior?
[17:00] <ioria> Taggnostr, maybe disable automount for that device ...
[17:01] <Taggnostr> I was thinking about changing the default automount settings if that's possible
[17:02] <ioria> let me try with org.gnome.desktop.media-handling automount false
[17:04] <Taggnostr> I mean, I want it to be automounted, but with the default options used by a plain mount, since apparently when it gets automounted there are some extra options specified that prevent me to copy files that contain ':' or other characters
[17:04] <ioria> Taggnostr, yes, it works but disables 'all' the automounts
[17:05] <ioria> Taggnostr, ah, i see
[17:06] <ioria> Taggnostr, you can try then with gnome-disks
[17:08] <Taggnostr> ioria, ok, I'll check that out, thanks again for the help!
[17:08] <ioria> no problem
[17:51] <kd4wov-2> will ubuntu work on a pentium 3 800mhz.
[17:52] <Mr_Pan> kd4wov-2> uhmmm.... lubuntu only    ram  ?
[17:53] <kd4wov-2> 512 Meg of ram
[17:55] <doug16k> the minimum requirements say 128MB https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[17:56] <doug16k> you're a bit ahead of the absolute minimum cpu too
[17:56] <tomreyn> this is likely to be outdated.
[17:58] <kd4wov-2> OK I will look at it. I have several p3 and p4 machines running xp that I am considering moving to Linux.
[17:58] <doug16k> ah right, it suggests going to https://lubuntu.me/
[17:58] <kd4wov-2> these are the last windows machines except 2 win98 machines with a p 233 mhz.
[17:59] <tomreyn> the problem with pentium 3 is the hardware is insecure, does not receive security support from intel anymore.
[17:59] <kd4wov-2> these will become dos machines
[18:00] <ioria> kd4wov-2, p4 is ok, p3 i don't think so
[18:00] <tomreyn> have you considered replacing ten of those by a single current computer, saving a lot of power alng the way?
[18:00] <kd4wov-2> tomreyn does the security update come from the OS?
[18:01] <tomreyn> hardware security updates only come from hardware manufacturers.
[18:02] <kd4wov-2> as far as replacing them, I run dos programing for Motorola radios. it does not ry
[18:02] <doug16k> your microcode won't have any of the features that accelerate the workarounds, the kernel will be using the pathological workarounds on an already slow cpu
[18:02] <tomreyn> firmware (microcode) updates can sometimes be provided by the OS as well, if the hardware manufacturer makes them availble (which is not the case here)
[18:02] <kd4wov-2> run on windows
[18:03] <kd4wov-2> so what about core2 machines?
[18:05] <ioria> kd4wov-2, what about them ?
[18:05] <kd4wov-2> my main machine is a p4 3.8 ghz with 4gig ram running ubuntu studio.
[18:06] <kd4wov-2> what are your thoughts about core2 machines
[18:06] <ioria> kd4wov-2, p4 it's not exactly a dual core
[18:06] <tomreyn> you may want to run this on your systems to get a better idea of their CPU problems: https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker
[18:07] <tomreyn> it's also available in ubuntu (not the latest version)
[18:07] <kd4wov-2> no core2 is the machine after p4 and before core2 duo
[18:07] <ioria> kd4wov-2, and ?
[18:08] <kd4wov-2> OK will look at that.
[18:08] <tomreyn> you will find that all of them have unfixed issues, and those will not be solved in the future.
[18:10] <doug16k> better linux than not linux though on those old cpus. at least linux tries to mitigate the issues
[18:10] <kd4wov-2> I understand about the unfixed issues
[18:10] <doug16k> old windows will happily let meltdown happen
[18:11] <doug16k> meltdown is very, very bad
[18:11] <ioria> those issues will not disapperar soon
[18:11] <kd4wov-2> yes I remember meltdown.
[18:12] <s3nd1v0g1us> has anyone else had issues with unrequested sudden logouts since the rollout of 19.10?
[18:18] <tomreyn> s3nd1v0g1us: it's not something that's reported here enough for me to remember it.
[18:19] <s3nd1v0g1us> it has since ceased. i logged in via a shell and updated-upgraded any/everything. but it was frequent before that.
[18:19] <s3nd1v0g1us> it would log me out for no reason
[18:19] <tomreyn> so, apparently, updates help.
[18:19] <tomreyn> maybe we should all install them regularly?
[18:20] <pauljw> next you'll be recommending frequent backups...
[18:25] <tomreyn> doug16k: https://lubuntu.me/taking-a-new-direction/
[18:27] <tomreyn> this is about how lubuntu does not / no longer consider support of older hardware a primary goal
[18:28] <doug16k> ah, yeah I got that feeling when I couldn't find any mention of system requirements at https://lubuntu.me/
[18:28] <doug16k> in the manual search I mean
[18:32] <tomreyn> maybe folks in #lubuntu canprovide minimum system requirements
[18:41] <shvm> I dont understand all this behind just a DE. why maintain a separate distro for a DE when you can very well just install DE like an app.
[18:42] <ioria> shvm, it's not so simple
[18:45] <ioria> shvm, and it's not an 'app'; it's is a set of several packages with dependencies , links , and config files
[18:46] <shvm> anyone here compared lubuntu's resource usage compared to the stock ubuntu with LXQT installed from repository? I'm curious
[18:46] <shvm> @ior
[18:47] <shvm> ioria: You're one fine motivated individual my friend!
[18:47] <ioria> thank you
[18:52] <kd4wov-2> I am curious anyone use a jabber client or xmpp client?
[18:53] <tomreyn> no polls please, what's your actual question?
[18:53] <rocky> hm, so i have a usb drive spitting errors ... is there anyway to block the bad sectors or whatever on them? gparted can't even successfully create a parition formatted as ext4
[18:53] <karx> What is the error?
[18:53] <rocky> gparted said something about bad I/O when trying to create a new parition with ext4
[18:54] <kd4wov-2> I had a similar problem related to power issues on the USB port.
[18:54] <karx> The drive might be dead. Does it work on another machine?
[18:54] <karx> The port might also be the issue.
[18:54] <rocky> "error input/output error during read on dev/sda"
[18:55] <pizzaiolo> does anyone here run ubuntu on a XPS 15?
[18:55] <rocky> its actually a 2.5" ssd in a usb-c enclosure ... and the drive started failing when it was setup as an internal drive (out of the enclosure) on an older laptop so now i'm seeing if i can repair it on my new laptop using this usb-c enclosure
[18:55] <kd4wov-2> can you check the drive by dropping it in a machine.
[18:56] <rocky> it didn't work in the first machine ... but it *seems* like it's localized to particular sectors or whatever the ssd equivalent is
[18:56] <karx> rocky: the drive is probable dead. Try a different drive.
[18:56] <tomreyn> pizzaiolo: no polls please, instead ask the specific question
[18:56] <rocky> because gparted's partitioning works for a while but finally pukes out
[18:57] <pizzaiolo> tomreyn the specific question would be what said user's experience was
[18:57] <rocky> karx: the drive is definitely not *dead* ... i'm trying to figure out if it's recoverable or there's too much dmg
[18:57] <rocky> i also figured there was some way to mark sectors (or ssd equiv) as "bad" so they wouldn't interfere
[18:58] <kd4wov-2> rocky have you tried to make it a ntfs
[18:58] <rocky> ext4 and ntfs both
[18:58] <kd4wov-2> you may want to try spinright
[18:59] <tomreyn> pizzaiolo: Dell XPS 15 is a product series with many different models. but this doesn't seem like an ubuntu support question, maybe #ubuntu-offtopic is a better place, or ##linux
[18:59] <rocky> what's spinright? and keep in mind this is a ssd, it doesn't "spin"
[18:59] <kd4wov-2> grc.com
[19:00] <rocky> oh... "spinrite"
[19:00] <pizzaiolo> tomreyn alright then
[19:00] <shvm> ssd's have trim plus they automatically keep bad sectors away AFAIK. Your drive may be failing
[19:01] <rocky> shvm: yep, i'm just trying to figure out if its beyond redemption yet is all
[19:02] <tomreyn> kd4wov-2: we don't usually recommend windows utilities here, especially when there are better euqivalents on ubuntu (gddrescue)
[19:02] <tomreyn> !smart | rocky
[19:03] <rocky> ohhh sweet, that should help, thanks!
[19:03] <rocky> i also am in the process of running "badblocks" on it, but i'm not sure marks the blocks as bad or merely identifies the bad blocks
[19:03] <rocky> man page doesn't seem clear on that point
[19:04] <tomreyn> rocky: check the 'smart' data for the drive, don't waste your time on 'badblocks', just replace the disk if it's physically defective.
[19:04] <rocky> well i'm already running badblocks so i don't want to interfere
[19:04] <rocky> but i'll do as you suggested as soon as badblocks is done
[19:05] <gehn> anyone know if and or when Ubuntu will move to a more up to date gcc?
[19:05] <tomreyn> rocky: note that not all disks sold in an usb enclosure can just be connected to a computer directly (some not at all, some only after modifications)
[19:05] <tomreyn> gehn: when it is released.
[19:06] <leden> rocky, try 'photorec' to recover data and try to format after and see how is going that way
[19:06] <rocky> tomreyn: this disk wasn't sold in the enclosure ... it was a 2.5" ssd inside an old dell computer and the drive seemed to be having trouble so i bought a usb-c enclosure to test it out on another machine
[19:06] <gehn> tomreyn, when what is released?
[19:06] <ioria> gehn, if you want 9.2, just install eoan
[19:06] <rocky> leden: i don't need to recover anything, i just need to see if the drive will work after a bit of maintenance
[19:07] <tomreyn> rocky: if you don't have complete backups and need to resort to ddrescue then don't run recovery tools against the original storage but create an image with ddrecue first and then use recovery tools agains thtis image.
[19:07] <tomreyn> gehn: the new gcc version
[19:08] <gehn> tomreyn, which new one?
[19:08] <gehn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=g%2B%2B&searchon=names&suite=eoan&section=all eoan is still on 7
[19:08] <ioria> !info gcc eoan
[19:09] <gehn> oh wait, g++-7 is 7 :)
[19:09] <kd4wov-2> windows utilities? I guess I missed something.
[19:10] <tomreyn> kd4wov-2: sorry, i should have said "utilities for other operating systems"
[19:10] <gehn> !info clang eoan
[19:14] <kd4wov-2> if I could not get gpart or bad blocks to work, spinrite has saved a few of my drives.
[19:16] <rocky> hm, yeah dmesg is reporting stuff like, "Buffer I/O error on dev sda, logical block 632, async page read" while i'm running badblocks (i have no idea how long it's going to take to finish running this)
[19:16] <kd4wov-2> going back to my question about jabber or xmpp. I was curious if any one is still using them. not a poll.
[19:16] <tomreyn> it's not a support question, though, and this channel is for exactly that.
[19:16] <tomreyn> we have #ubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntu-discuss for other topics
[19:17] <kd4wov-2> ah ok.
[19:22] <s3nd1v0g1us> tomeryn your sarcasm makes you look like an ass. i was asking about a specific and legitimate issue. obviously we all know the value of updating when possible.
[19:23] <s3nd1v0g1us> tomreyn
[19:23] <rana_ans> tomreyn: I installed new kernel version using ukuu, on rebooting it gives me an error: /boot/vmlinuz-5.3.0-050300-generic has invalid signature
[19:24] <s3nd1v0g1us> this is why children shouldnt be sysops
[19:24] <rana_ans> + error: you need to load the kernel first.
[19:25] <rana_ans> anyone here to help me with my problem?
[19:26] <ioria> rana_ans, disable secure boot
[19:27] <rocky> ok so looks like i can't activate SMART mode on this drive even though smartctl says SMART is supported ... guess the drive is simply in too bad of a state
[19:27] <rana_ans> what is its purpose btw? by enabling it how does it help?
[19:28] <ioria> rana_ans, what ?
[19:28] <rana_ans> ioria: nvm I'll disable and boot, brb
[19:36] <tomreyn> s3nd1v0g1us: i should probably have spared you the sarcasm, sorry. please always update first when something doesn't seem to be working well, and ask questions later if issues persists.
[19:36] <s3nd1v0g1us> yes. and I did. my post was less about how to resolve my own issue than whether others had experienced the same problem.
[19:42] <s3nd1v0g1us> not for nothing, im thankful that ubuntu allows one to simply drop into a shell from the login page
[19:43] <robroseknows> Hey can I get some help with this question: https://askubuntu.com/q/1187587/487048 I've been debugging it for a week now, but I've narrowed it down to X issues
[19:44] <ioria> s3nd1v0g1us, there is indeed a sever bug about the login/out system ; it involves gnome-shell, systemd and gdm3 at the same time; the fix is in proposed
[19:44] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1847896
[20:00] <robroseknows> I could really use assistance with this issue: https://askubuntu.com/q/1187587/487048, don't know if it's a bug but nothing I've found so far works.
[20:05] <ioria> robroseknows, do you get a login screen ?
[20:05] <robroseknows> ioria, no, I get purple splash screen and then directly to blank
[20:06] <ioria> robroseknows, can you boot with nomodeset ?
[20:06] <robroseknows> ioria nope, I can boot into recovery though.
[20:08] <ioria> robroseknows, well, recovery uses nomodeset, so you should be able to boot in a graphic encv with nomodeset parameter. you know how to set it
[20:08] <ioria> ?
[20:08] <robroseknows> ioria, I should clarify that I can't boot all the way in recovery, just to the recovery menu. if I try resuming I get the same issue.
[20:09] <robroseknows> I'll try replacing quiet splash with nomodeset one more time though
[20:09] <ioria> robroseknows, ok
[20:11] <littlebear> c/elar
[20:12] <robroseknows> no dice, took a video this time though, let me upload it.
[20:13] <PeGaSuS> hello guys. i need some help. I'm using an app that needs a "volume normalizer", but i'm getting this error: Attempting to load plugin dsp_volnorm.so: FAILED! (DL_Open returned NULL) (./plugins/AutoDJ/dsp_volnorm.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory). does anyone can give me a hint in what package to install please?
[20:15] <robroseknows> ioria, here's the video with nomodeset: https://youtu.be/PTZvduRg-AM
[20:16] <ioria> robroseknows, that's wrong
[20:17] <robroseknows> ioria, that's how it's set in recovery mode startups?
[20:18] <ioria> robroseknows, boot in recovery and enable networking
[20:19] <robroseknows> ioria, done
[20:19] <ioria> robroseknows, cd /home/<your user>
[20:19] <robroseknows> alright
[20:20] <ioria> robroseknows, ls -al  | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:21] <Aktive> @TJ- hey
[20:21] <robroseknows> ioria: https://termbin.com/at5k are you thinking .Xauthority is bad?
[20:21] <Aktive> I installed the HWE, but still problem
[20:22] <ioria> robroseknows, nope; dpkg -l | grep nvidia   | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:23] <robroseknows> ioria, https://termbin.com/cg2h
[20:26] <ioria> robroseknows, stat /  | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:27] <robroseknows> ioria: https://termbin.com/w1y1
[20:27] <ioria> robroseknows, stat /home/rob   | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:28] <robroseknows> ioria: https://termbin.com/sxghu
[20:29] <ioria> robroseknows,  lspci -k | grep -EA3  'VGA|3D'  | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:30] <robroseknows> ioria: https://termbin.com/ethp
[20:31] <ioria> robroseknows,  cat /proc/cmdline  | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:32] <ioria> how can nvidia loaded with nomodeset ?
[20:32] <robroseknows> ioria: https://termbin.com/dtq1
[20:33] <robroseknows> not sure, doesn't nomodeset just delay graphics until other stuff has loaded? it's been a while now
[20:33] <ioria> robroseknows, apt update
[20:34] <ioria> robroseknows, and apt full-upgrade
[20:34] <robroseknows> ioria, done apt update, got a few pubkey errors for mono and nvidia-container/docker stuff
[20:35] <oerheks> is this ubuntu in a vm or bare metal?
[20:35] <ioria> robroseknows, ah, well i don't use that, so i cannot tell
[20:35] <robroseknows> ioria apt full-upgrade didn't upgrade anything bare metal
[20:35] <robroseknows> oerheks: bare metal
[20:36] <ioria> robroseknows, we have to tell us what really happened there before the issue :þ
[20:37] <robroseknows> ioria: the pubkey issues you mean? I'll send them to termbin hang on
[20:37] <ioria> robroseknows, nope, the blank screen
[20:37] <ioria> robroseknows, try to backup xorg.conf
[20:38] <ioria> robroseknows, also monitor.xml
[20:38] <ioria> *s
[20:38] <robroseknows> alright, I think the issue is with startx, as I've been able to recreate the issue in recovery by running startx
[20:39] <ioria> robroseknows, you don't use startx, you restart gdm (but not in recovery)
[20:39] <ioria> robroseknows, the problem with startx is only when you use it with sudo
[20:40] <oerheks> according to the post earlier, he changed gdm3 to lightdm..
[20:40] <robroseknows> oerheks I changed it back when that didn't fix it.
[20:40] <ioria> robroseknows, backup xorg.conf and monitors.xml
[20:41] <robroseknows> but yeah, changing the display manager didn't fix the problem.
[20:41] <robroseknows> ioria: alright, backing them up now
[20:42] <ioria> robroseknows, and sudo reboot
[20:42] <robroseknows> should I delete the xorg and monitors.xml first? or just back them up somewhere?
[20:42] <ioria> robroseknows, just backup
[20:42] <robroseknows> alright
[20:44] <robroseknows> okay I'm back at grub menu, should I start in recovery or try to boot completely?
[20:44] <ioria> robroseknows, boot normally
[20:45] <robroseknows> ioria: screen is blank again. here I need to restart in order to get anything.
[20:45] <ioria> yep
[20:45] <robroseknows> so restart again?
[20:46] <ioria> robroseknows, try to open a console
[20:47] <robroseknows> I tried ctrl+alt+T and ctrl+alt+F3 and got nothing. are there any other shortcuts I should try?
[20:47] <ioria> robroseknows, ctrl+alt+F3 again
[20:48] <robroseknows> nothing, screen is still off
[20:48] <Vonor> o/
[20:48] <ioria> robroseknows, boot in recovery, enable networking and  apt install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop^
[20:49] <ioria> robroseknows, if that fails again, purge nvidia
[20:50] <Vonor> Anyone good with dnsmsaq + tftp? I set tftp-unique-root=mac and get a request from mac b8:27:eb:ee:c5:1b but dnsmasq seems to look into a different directory... Nov  9 21:47:00 master dnsmasq-tftp[15326]: file /var/lib/tftp/04eec51b/start.elf not found
[20:52] <robroseknows> ioria: that regex selected like 1250 things to reinstall. is that correct?
[20:52] <ioria> yep
[20:52] <ioria> robroseknows, you use gnome-shell, right ?
[20:54] <robroseknows> ioria: pretty sure yeah. it's just the default that came from ubuntu. use zsh but other than that everything is still default.
[20:54] <ioria> robroseknows, yeah, zsh
[20:58] <ioria> robroseknows, sy, heading out, hope you fix this
[20:58] <robroseknows> ioria: thanks!
[21:03] <robroseknows> Damn it, reinstalling ubuntu-desktop didn't work.
[21:14] <veegee> Quick question: `echo ${name:-$TAR_ARCHIVE}-$TAR_VOLUME >&$TAR_FD`    what is this syntax: `${name:-$TAR_ARCHIVE}`, specifically the name:- part
[21:17] <tomreyn> veegee: man bash -> Parameter Expansion
[21:17] <veegee> thanks
[21:18] <robroseknows> gah, purging and reinstlaling nvidia drivers didn't work so I'm back where I started with this issue: https://askubuntu.com/q/1187587/487048
[21:24] <tomreyn> robroseknows: which graphical login manager was your system configured to use when you shot the youtube video?
[21:25] <robroseknows> tomreyn: gdm3
[21:27] <tomreyn> robroseknows: uncomment WaylandEnable=false in /etc/gdm3/custom.conf for now, this will probably work around the issue for now.
[21:28] <tomreyn> then post a full systemd journal:   journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:28] <robroseknows> tomreyn: I believe I've already done that, but I'll doublecheck
[21:29] <robroseknows> I must have switched it back, I'll try it again now. Let me post the journal first though.
[21:29] <tomreyn> nvidia driver 440 does not seem to be available in ubuntu 18.04, how did you install it?
[21:30] <robroseknows> The ubuntu-drivers autoinstall command
[21:32] <robroseknows> @tomreyn: Here's the journal output from recovery mode: http://termbin.com/u74p
[21:33] <tomreyn> i suspect you must be using some PPA, since the "ubuntu-drivers autoinstall" command would only install packages which are available in ubuntu
[21:33] <robroseknows> I might be, I've installed stuff from ppa in the past.
[21:34] <robroseknows> I think autoinstall might have said something about a PPA too.
[21:34] <tomreyn> you seem to have the very first bios version installed fthat's available for this board, should clearly do an upgrade
[21:35] <robroseknows> Do you think that's the issue? I'd rather get to a working state before doing any upgrades.
[21:35] <tomreyn> can you run:   dpkg -l nvidia\* | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:36] <tomreyn> the bios wont be the root cause, no, it's just somethign i noticed looking at the log.
[21:36] <robroseknows> http://termbin.com/1brv
[21:38] <tomreyn> robroseknows: apt policy nvidia-dkms-440 | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:39] <tomreyn> also, i can probably find it on your log, but if you can tell which graphics card this is it might be easier
[21:39] <robroseknows> @tomreyn: http://termbin.com/hzij 1080Ti EVGA I think, don't remember the model number
[21:45] <tomreyn> robroseknows: so you're using the graphics-drivers PPA, that's where your nvidia driver is from
[21:46] <robroseknows> Yeah. I think when I started with all this though, I had an earlier driver version. I've purged nvidia a couple times now.
[21:47] <tomreyn> you'll keep installing the driver form the PPa as long as you don't disable the PPA
[21:47] <tomreyn> you'll keep installing the driver from the PPA as long as you don't disable the PPA
[21:47] <tomreyn> !ppa-purge
[21:47] <tomreyn> a better option may actually be to install the LTSE kernel and X, though
[21:47] <tomreyn> !LTSE
[21:48] <tomreyn> that#s because you're on a somewhat recent AMD Zen system
[21:48] <robroseknows> I think the issue might be with X, so that might be a good call.
[21:55] <robroseknows> @tomreyn Installing the LTSE kernel and X didn't fix it sadly. Booted into it and still got a blank screen. Should I try the PPA purge now?
[21:58] <Surkow|laptop> good evening
[21:58] <Surkow|laptop> how does one access a tty in ubuntu 19.10?
[21:59] <tomreyn> robroseknows: it's worth a try. i'm not really good at nvidia issues, maybe others can chime in there if you sum up the issue again.
[21:59] <tomreyn> !tty | Surkow|laptop
[21:59] <Surkow|laptop> not operable
[22:00] <tomreyn> robroseknows: had you tried the WaylandEnable=false, though?
[22:00] <Surkow|laptop> I'm proficient in using virtual terminals and I rely on them whenever my computer locks up in some way or another.
[22:00] <Surkow|laptop> maybe it's the external keyboard I'm using
[22:00] <Surkow|laptop> (on a laptop)
[22:01] <robroseknows> tomreyn: Yep, tried WaylandEnable=false
[22:01] <tomreyn> Surkow|laptop: maybe you need to press some extra modifier key or disable a lock key
[22:02] <Surkow|laptop> hmm, it does appear to work on the laptop itself. I needed it after a recursive search in nautilus was accidentally triggered on a smb share. It resulted in the whole system locking up.
[22:02] <Surkow|laptop> thanks for the info at least :)
[22:03] <tomreyn> robroseknows: i'm a bit puzzled by the repeated "EDAC amd64: Node 0: DRAM ECC disabled." messages, i think this very message should only be printed once. there were some acpi warnings, but nothing serious from what i can tell, and the rest of the 4.15 kernel boot log looked ok to me. upgrading the firmware still seems like something worth trying.
[22:05] <tomreyn> Surkow|laptop: you're welcome. i'm not sure i can suggest anything to make your external keyboard work for switching tty's then.
[22:07] <Aavar> How can I show icons on the desktop in unity? I know this is not the right place to ask... Maybe you know where I can go to find an answer?
[22:08] <robroseknows> tomreyn I have two RAM sticks? could that be why it's showing twice?
[22:15] <robroseknows> AYYY! Removing the nvidia drivers altogether worked!  Thanks for listening anyways.
[22:25] <keden> So I'm using pgp2 on a remote dev box running with Ubuntu 18.04 for manually encrypting files, and I'd like to not have to enter my password everytime I use it.
[22:25] <tomreyn> pgp2, are you sure?
[22:26] <keden> I've read that I can set a cache to save the password with GPG, but I'm not sure if it would be recommended to set it to a long time.
[22:26] <keden> tomreyn: gpg2 sorry
[22:27] <keden> That's a pretty secure box with password auth disabled and SSH root access disabled too.
[22:27] <tomreyn> oh okay, gnupg 2.x
[22:28] <keden> Would there be any good reason not to set the cache to say a month or even more?
[22:28] <keden> tomreyn: yes, that's right
[22:28] <tomreyn> a month? this is about as good as not having password encrypted keys
[22:29] <oerheks> there are downsides to that.. i would limit it to the session,  https://askubuntu.com/questions/511300/dont-remember-pgp-passphrase-until-end-of-session
[22:30] <keden> In my view the password is an ultimate security if my private key get leaked somehow, but fairly useless on my machines. Is that terrible thinking?
[22:30] <oerheks> simple: how many achives do you create
[22:30] <keden> I use it at least once a day.
[22:31] <keden> I could limit it to the session, but that's a very long time as I run everything in tmux, then just SSH into the box and attach the running session.
[22:33] <robroseknows> Alright, I got it working with the 430 drivers. Those seem to be working fine.
[22:34] <keden> oerheks: Just looked at the link you shared. I don't think there is the Gnome Keyring on Ubuntu server? I use keychain for my SSH passphrase, but I think that's only for SSH.
[22:35] <tomreyn> keden: maybe bring it up in #gnupg, they may have other suggestions. what strikes me as wrong there is that you keep the secret key on a remote system and handle the encryption there remotely, too. IMO signing should always take place as close to yourself as possible, and secret keys should only be  made available to the system you're physically working on, where possible.
[22:36] <tomreyn> robroseknows: so maybe just remove the PPA then
[22:37] <keden> tomreyn: I see your point indeed. Alright, I'll check in #gnupg thank you.
[22:38] <robroseknows> tomreyn: actually according to the details menu I'm not using nvidia graphics, just the llvmpipe graphics. Still have more experimenting to do I guess.
[22:39] <tomreyn> yes, looks like it, rob ;)
[22:45] <Phruis> some how gnome enable debug info on the window
[22:45] <Phruis> how can i disable it
[22:48] <oerheks> if that 'window' is a browser, sure that debug list has a close button
[23:05] <jymmmm> Any suggestions for ripping DVD's under linux?
[23:07] <SpeCon> hello all, is there anyone who can help me because i can't find any solution online. I just tried to install an AAPG ( America's army server) on my ubuntu vps. Installation went fine but the server isn't popping up in the game server list because ( i think ) there is a problem with ports binding. As far as i can see in the log files. Eventually i have set the correct rules into the firewall to accept tcp and UDP on the specific ports
[23:07] <SpeCon> but nothing helps
[23:08] <SpeCon> so i actually need somebody who has the knowledge about firewall rules ;) maybe that resolves my problems
[23:08] <SpeCon> my server is running ubuntu 18.04
[23:10] <oerheks> AA is abandonware, still the wiki might give a clue; did you install the patch? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AmericasArmy
[23:11] <SpeCon> erm no idea what you talking about but i check the link
[23:11] <SpeCon> damz
[23:12] <SpeCon> i just saw a message from october 2018 that aapg linux server would be available :s i had an own windows server to run aapg on but to expensive
[23:12] <SpeCon> so i tried it today on my ubuntu linux server wich is a VPS
[23:13] <SpeCon> so its not available for linux right ? as far as i can read on that article
[23:13] <oerheks> it stopped at AA 2.5 iirc
[23:13] <SpeCon> hmmm
[23:13] <SpeCon> https://news.americasarmy.com/aapg-pc-linux-game-server-howto/
[23:14] <SpeCon> november 14 2018
[23:14] <SpeCon> check this post ?
[23:14] <SpeCon> everything works accept that i get an error for the port shit
[23:15] <SpeCon> i opened the ports in my firewall but i still get errors
[23:18] <oerheks> can you pastebin those errors?
[23:18] <oerheks> !paste
[23:18] <SpeCon> okay hold on
[23:18] <SpeCon> i will show you the error
[23:19] <SpeCon> oerheks
[23:19] <SpeCon> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5zW65YnjSk/
[23:20] <SpeCon> i think that aapg as a game isn't supported anymore to play on a linux machine. But running a server should be available now since october 2018
[23:20] <SpeCon> 2019-11-09 23:02:19.164134|ERROR   |VirtualServer |  1| bind failed on <IP_ADDRESS>:8765
[23:21] <SpeCon> check this into the log
[23:21] <SpeCon> some ports need to be opened otherwise the server will not pop into the list of game servers into the game
[23:23] <oerheks> yes, line 37:  teamspeak server
[23:23] <woenx> Hello. I would like some advice. Do you know any way to show the pictures in the folder icon in Ubuntu?
[23:23] <woenx> Like windows does
[23:24] <woenx> Itś for a relative, she manages a quite large picture library, and having a little preview of the pictures inside is very useful
[23:25] <SpeCon> oerheks
[23:26] <SpeCon> i thinks i see the failure
[23:26] <SpeCon> when i type netstat -atu
[23:26] <SpeCon> i can see the ports who are listening
[23:26] <SpeCon> the ports for this game server aren't listening
[23:26] <SpeCon> udp        0      0 vps588565.ovh.net:8765  <IP_ADDRESS>:*
[23:26] <SpeCon> udp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:7778            <IP_ADDRESS>:*
[23:26] <SpeCon> udp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:7778            <IP_ADDRESS>:*
[23:26] <SpeCon> udp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:7778            <IP_ADDRESS>:*
[23:26] <SpeCon> udp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:7780            <IP_ADDRESS>:*
[23:27] <oerheks> woenx, if that collection is on a network drive, such data transfer can be huge
[23:27] <bprompt> woenx:   that'd depend on the file manager in use, some do "preview" some have a "preview pane", some may show a quick thumbnail of the folder, some do not, a better solution will be something like PICASA or Gwenview
[23:27] <oerheks> bt you can, set the preview option to All Files.
[23:27] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/nautilus-preview.html.en
[23:27] <woenx> It's on a network drive, but in a cabled gigabit connection
[23:27] <woenx> Oh, no no, no the picture thumbnail themselves, that already works quite well (and it's fast over the network)
[23:28] <woenx> I mean that, before entering a folder, the folder icon shows thumbnails of the pictures inside
[23:28] <woenx> Years ago I tried one program that did that, but the downside is that it didn't show all folders until they were "processed", so it was not very responsive
[23:29] <SpeCon> test
[23:29] <SpeCon> oerheks ?
[23:29] <bprompt> woenx:  yes, that depends on the file manager though, Windows Explorer in windows64 does that when set to some View with large icons
[23:30] <woenx> It was cover-thumbnailer, but as I said, it was quite slow
[23:30] <woenx> yes, exactly, I'd like that
[23:30] <woenx> I think Dolphin also does that by default, but I'm not sure
[23:30] <bprompt> woenx:   yeap, it'd be slow for any file manager, since they firstly need to "cache" the thumbnails
[23:30] <woenx> I don
[23:30] <woenx> I don't mind if it's slow, as long as it's responsive
[23:31] <oerheks> SpeCon, on this page i find 2 ports and a range, https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1545463647
[23:31] <woenx> (I mean, it's ok if it takes a while to create the thumbnail,a s long as the folder icon is already there. The cover-thumbnailer software doesn't show the folder until the thumbnail is created, and that's a problem
[23:31] <oerheks> i have no clue what you need to do to get your sever authenticated..
[23:31] <SpeCon> oerheks okay  :s
[23:32] <SpeCon> will post this logs to the aapg website forum. Maybe the developers can say whats wrong
[23:32] <SpeCon> i will have to wait then :s
[23:32] <SpeCon> but anyhow thanks for responding dude
[23:32] <oerheks> hang around, maybe someone else has a clue?
[23:32] <SpeCon> yeah will stay arround here
[23:32] <bprompt> woenx:   yeap, Dolphin does it, just checked, also Konqueror, which can also do File Managing
[23:33] <SpeCon> at least not so very long anymore because its almost 1:00 here ;) and need to get up at 7:00 so :p
[23:33] <woenx> https://technastic.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Dolphin-tree-view.jpeg -- Yes, that is dolphin. I'd love something like that
[23:33] <SpeCon> not much sleep this night lol
[23:33] <woenx> I don't know how well dolphin integrates with gnome's ubuntu...
[23:34] <woenx> (I'll try it now)
[23:35] <bprompt> woenx:   is KDE's default file manager, so it'd need some kde libs, but is just a file manager, I mean, I run kde but not "kwin", and run Dolphin in an LXQT session just fine
[23:35] <woenx> I just apt-get'd it, and it just needed 35MB extra
[23:36] <woenx> I'm more worried about interferring with the "default" browser
[23:36] <woenx> (like, when opening a folder, some programs will open nautilus, other's dolphin... I had problems with that in the past)
[23:36] <bprompt> woenx:  Dolphin doesn't do webbrowsing, just file managing
[23:36] <bprompt> woenx:   KDE's default webbrowser is Rekonq
[23:38] <woenx> yes yes, of course, just file manager
[23:38] <woenx> but it happened to me that folders in the Desktop opened by default in dolphin, while others opened in Nautilus
[23:39] <bprompt> woenx:   I think that's a window manager setting though
[23:39] <woenx> Ok
[23:40] <woenx> I'll play a little with it. It seems that Dolphin is a bit more polished than Nautilus in ubuntu (although I quite like Nautilus, it's simple, flexible, and it works)
[23:52] <woenx> Mmmm, Dolphin does not seem to be able to generate thumbnails for network folders... (Nautilus does)
[23:52] <woenx> :-/
[23:54] <woenx> Nevermind, found the option
[23:58] <woenx> Ok, but for the files themselves, not the folder :/ (So, like Nautilus)
[23:58] <woenx> You have to first mount the remote share in the filesystem


[09:38] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Pluto Discovery Day! :-D
[11:16] <dpm> beuno, popey, is there any way we can help a developer publish his Ubuntu On Air scope? https://plus.google.com/u/0/+VincentJOBARD/posts/AwMLFBWa7tp
[11:40] <beuno> dpm, yes, I'll reply now
[11:51] <dpm> awesome, thanks beuno!
[12:41] <justCarakas1> anybody else also having problems with the rtm image ?
[12:42] <justcarakas> I cant boot anymore
[12:42] <popey> on what device?
[12:42] <justcarakas> n4
[12:42] <popey> what does it do?
[12:43] <justcarakas> it keeps showing the google logo
[12:43] <justcarakas> and the phone got hot
[12:44] <davmor2> popey: did you try that issue with ther terminal?
[12:45] <popey> is it "be vague" day today?
[12:45] <popey> what issue?
[12:45] <popey> justcarakas: i don't know, not seen that.
[12:47] <davmor2> popey: open terminal, activate  the keyboard, rotate the phone 180°, terminal app is now all white, rotate 90° then back again fixes it sometimes
[12:47]  * ogra_ joins the "be vague" meme and guesses something isnt right
[12:48] <popey> davmor2: nope http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-02-18-124827.png
[12:49] <popey> aha, yes, if the osk is out
[12:49] <popey> seen this in multiple apps
[12:49] <popey> messaging app is busted if you flip upside down
[12:49] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-02-18-124931.png
[12:49]  * popey files a bug
[12:50] <justcarakas> anybody else with a nexus 4 on the RTM devel channel that can't boot anymore after the update ?
[12:51] <popey> davmor2: pls confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app/+bug/1423164
[12:51] <davmor2> justcarakas: do you mean rtm-proposed?
[12:51] <mivoligo> popey: at least "top" is at the top on your first screenshot :D
[12:52] <davmor2> popey: done
[12:52] <popey> thanks
[12:53] <justcarakas> devmor2 in multirom its called rtm devel but I can't check it since it won't boot into ubuntu anymore, got the update about an hour ago
[12:58] <justcarakas> its stuck on the google logo
[13:02] <popey> ah, i dont use multirom
[13:02] <popey> no idea if that is a factor
[13:04] <davmor2> justcarakas: I don't use multirom either
[13:17] <justcarakas> k
[15:53] <dpm> beuno, a developer, one of the insiders was having trouble uploading his app. He was getting "an unrecoverable error has happened" error. Is this a known bug, or shall I ask him to file one? Here's a video of him getting the error -> http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/tmp/fallo-store.avi
[15:56]  * beuno looks
[15:56] <beuno> yikes
[15:56] <beuno> dpm, looking into it
[15:56] <dpm> ok, thanks!
[16:02] <pindonga`> dpm, hi there.. is this error happening every time an app is uploaded?
[16:38] <dpm> pindonga, he told me every time he tries to do an update
[16:55] <dpm> pindonga, I'm told it's validated successfully on the SDK locally, but the store gives the error
[17:42] <pindonga> dpm afict it's a transient error, am debugging this now


[00:07] <wrst> Omnifrog: too late in the year for lawnmowers
[00:09] <Omnifrog> not here
[00:09] <Omnifrog> it's leaf season
[00:10] <Omnifrog> I'm in a ery wooded area
[00:10] <wrst> ahh
[00:10] <Omnifrog> very *
[00:10] <wrst> down with the lawnmowers
[00:11] <Omnifrog> my best push mower is running really fast and I cant figure out why
[00:17] <wrst> cyberanger: formatting this 3TB drive has proven to be a larger pain than I thought it would be :)
[00:17] <wrst> Omnifrog: maybe it is in a hurry? :\
[00:18] <Omnifrog> heh
[00:18] <Omnifrog> why is the format a pain?
[00:18] <wrst> well I don't know
[00:19] <wrst> i set it up with gpt
[00:19] <wrst> and it should just work but I think I found a guide
[00:19] <wrst> but the drive was just showing around 750GB
[00:20] <Omnifrog> I'm not familiar with gpt
[00:22] <wrst> the partition table format
[00:22]  * wrst just knows the terms
[00:22]  * wrst doesn't know what he is doing
[00:23] <Omnifrog> I had no idea there was a new partition table format
[00:23] <Omnifrog> I'm reading about it now though
[00:24] <Omnifrog> ah... "MBR works with disks up to 2 TB in size, but it can’t handle disks with more than 2 TB of space. "
[00:24] <Omnifrog> http://www.howtogeek.com/193669/whats-the-difference-between-gpt-and-mbr-when-partitioning-a-drive/
[00:25] <wrst> woo hoo! showing 2.7TB now
[00:27] <Omnifrog> not sure how I feel about the appropriation of the GUID acronym though
[00:30] <wrst> Omnifrog: what do you mean?
[00:30]  * wrst may be a bit dense and doesnt' realize it
[00:30] <Omnifrog> “globally unique identifier,” or GUID
[00:31] <Omnifrog> as opposed to group user ID
[00:31] <wrst> ahh
[00:31] <wrst> I'm stuck in backup restore land...
[00:31] <wrst> moving my "server" to a more capable machine
[00:36] <Omnifrog> huh, a gpt has a redundant MBR
[00:36] <wrst> yeah, all I wanted to do was store a bunch of crap :)
[00:36] <Omnifrog> lol
[00:36] <wrst> why do you need a redundant MBR?
[00:37] <wrst> I figured if your MBR failed you have much problemos and the drive was likely toast
[00:37] <Omnifrog> GPT drives tend to include a “protective MBR.” This type of MBR says that the GPT drive has a single partition that extends across the entire drive. If you try to manage a GPT disk with an old tool that can only read MBRs,
[00:37] <Omnifrog> it will see a single partition that extends across the entire drive. The MBR ensures the old tools won’t mistake the GPT drive for an unpartitioned drive and overwrite its GPT data with a new MBR.
[00:37] <wrst> unless you are an idiot like me messing with stuff you don't know about
[00:37] <Omnifrog> In other words, the protective MBR protects the GPT data from being overwritten.
[00:37] <wrst> ahh
[00:37] <wrst> ok that makes sense
[00:37] <Omnifrog> that link I posted is worth a read if you want to know more about gpt
[00:38] <wrst> I probably should becuase the days of drives under 2 TB are probably few and far between other than SSDs and that won't be long
[00:38] <wrst> in the past I always just through my drive in a usb enclosure hooked it to my desktop and used gparted
[00:39] <wrst> but had to do this the oldschool way which is fine that's how I have always set up arch drives before on install
[00:39] <wrst> but took me a while to figure it all out
[00:40] <Omnifrog> when you mentioned gpt I thought it was a new version of gparted, heh
[00:40] <Omnifrog> then I looked it up
[00:40] <Omnifrog> dang, I must be living under a rock or something
[00:41] <Omnifrog> I blame it all the smoke
[00:41] <Omnifrog> blame it on*
[00:42] <Omnifrog> the air here looks like I'm in China
[00:42] <Omnifrog> I could look directly at the sun today
[01:03] <cyberanger> wrst skimming the backlog sounds like it's fixed now?
[01:03] <wrst> Omnifrog: smoke?
[01:04] <wrst> cyberanger: yes, had a couple steps I left out when formatting
[01:04] <Omnifrog> from all the wildfires
[01:04] <wrst> that's what I get for thinking I know what I'm doing
[01:04] <wrst> Omnifrog: yes we had smoke as far as cookeville a few days ago
[01:04] <cyberanger> Omnifrog heard it's mostly arsonists
[01:04] <cyberanger> Not natural
[01:05] <Omnifrog> it's been pretty continuously awful air quality for over a week here in Chattanooga
[01:05] <wrst> that is very disappointing
[01:05] <Omnifrog> arsonists and idiots burning leaves
[01:06] <Omnifrog> there are currently 59 wild fires in TN right now
[01:06] <Unit193> Not me I haven't been there.
[01:09] <wrst> sure you ahven't Unit193...
[01:09] <wrst> Omnifrog: I don't recall it being this drive in the fall in well forever really
[01:13] <Omnifrog> it's not been this dry in my memorey either
[01:13] <Omnifrog> memory *
[01:14] <Omnifrog> the water table here is lower than anything in recorded history
[01:15] <wrst> we have been fortunate we haven't really bee so dry until the last 3-4 weeks
[01:15] <Omnifrog> I watered parts of the grass around the house for the first time in the last 20 years
[01:16] <Omnifrog> in the past I was happy to have it die back (less mowing for me)
[01:16] <Omnifrog> but this is ridiculous
[01:19] <wrst> no rain in the near future I don't think?
[01:21] <Omnifrog> probably not for the next 10 days of so
[01:24] <Omnifrog> this was the view on part of the property this evening and it's better than it had been all day http://imgur.com/a/scWZh
[01:26] <cyberanger> That's not counting NC, AL & GA
[01:34] <Omnifrog> yeah, they have their own fires to worry about
[01:35] <wrst> beautiful place Omnifrog, stinks it is close to a fire
[01:35] <Omnifrog> if fire gets near here it will be a really big problem
[01:36] <Omnifrog> there are no fire hydrants near here
[02:49] <wrst> hopefully you won't need them
[03:35] <Omnifrog> are you using xchat wrst ?
[03:35] <wrst> Omnifrog: no I'm using quassel, was actually just moving the core to a new server
[03:35] <Omnifrog> oh, quassel. nevermind
[03:36] <wrst> I like the client/core setup
[03:36] <Omnifrog> yeah, I just saw the join message
[03:36] <wrst> can connect from anywhere, on anything
[03:36] <wrst> I know znc or the like will do it but quassel is a super easy setup
[03:36] <Omnifrog> I've used quassel before
[03:36] <Omnifrog> I really don't have a need for it though
[03:37] <Unit193> What if you never want to miss a second of IRC?
[03:39] <Omnifrog> that would have been true in past years
[03:39] <Omnifrog> back when I was using quassel
[03:40] <wrst> ha ha Omnifrog for me now I just have a setup I like so I just carry it over to wherever I'm hosting something
[03:40] <Omnifrog> I've been backing my way off the internet over the last few years
[03:43] <Unit193> I use the internet to communicate with people I like.
[03:47] <Omnifrog> ok, I should clarify. I'm backing out of "social media"
[03:49] <Omnifrog> and some chatrooms
[04:20] <wrst> social media is pretty much stupid
[04:20] <wrst> for the most part
[04:23] <wrst> or at least around election season
[04:29] <Unit193> I don't get on FB, haven't for years.
[04:29] <Omnifrog> I killed my FB years ago
[04:36] <wrst> I still have it but not proud of it
[04:36] <Unit193> My sister stopped using it this/last year. \o/
[21:27] <minasota> hmm, for some reason Papa John's and Dominoes cannot take online orders...
[21:28] <minasota> Both are having "technical difficulties"
[21:48] <minasota> Damn, Russians lol
[21:53] <wrst> first the elections, now pizza, they have gone too far this time
[21:58] <minasota> time for a riot :p
[22:27] <wrst> ! yes
[23:12]  * minasota can't make the "peaceful protest"... he's too full now. Time for a nap :)