[00:53] <ScottK> bddebian: If it's bug fix only, no FFe is needed.
[01:21] <andersk> Can someone sponsor the one-line patch in bug 336436?
[01:27] <ScottK> andersk: lsb in Main, so you need to look in #ubuntu-devel and subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors.
[01:41] <theholyduck> argh.. i cant for the life of me figure out why this source package wont compile normaly
[03:32] <swegner1> Is there documentation somewhere for the workflow of creating a new package with source files and the debian/ directory in seperate bzr repositories (probably using bzr-builddeb) ?
[03:39] <ScottK> I'm sure there is, but it may take some patience as that's not really the standard work flow most people use here.
[03:40] <swegner1> ScottK: hmm, gotcha.  Well actually I'm just starting a new project and thought that might be a good organization for it.  Is there a better way?
[05:26] <lidaobing> hello, I did not know the python 2.6 transition until today
[05:26] <lidaobing> did I miss some maillist?
[05:26] <lidaobing> thanks
[06:01] <Hobbsee> lidaobing: yes, iirc - about three of them.
[06:01] <lidaobing> Hobbsee, which one?
[06:01] <Hobbsee> lidaobing: it got posted to ubuntu-devel-announce, ubuntu-devel, and probably -discuss as well, i think
[06:01] <lidaobing> Hobbsee, thanks
[07:08] <didrocks> morning
[07:16] <ttx> morning
[08:36] <Toadstool> g'morning!
[09:39] <Handrix> morning
[10:27] <directhex> james_w, ta for all your mono lib transition bugs
[10:27] <james_w> np
[11:06] <c_korn> hello
[11:06] <c_korn> finally jeuclid made it into jaunty
[11:06] <c_korn> can someone push scilab in?
[11:06] <c_korn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scilab/+bug/272264
[11:06] <c_korn> all build-dependencies are now in jaunty
[11:26] <c_korn> mok0: hello
[11:26] <c_korn> jeuclid made it into jaunty
[11:26] <mok0> c_korn: hi
[11:26] <c_korn> ubuntu 334767
[11:26] <mok0> c_korn: great. I will upload scilab then
[11:26] <c_korn> ok, thank you
[11:27] <mok0> c_korn: I think all the dependents are there
[11:27] <mok0> c_korn: dependencies, rather
[11:27] <c_korn> yes, they are
[11:27] <c_korn> after scilab is in there is sivp missing which requires scilab >=5 to compile
[11:27] <mok0> c_korn: right
[11:28] <mok0> c_korn: we have FFE's for everything so I prefer to upload serially
[11:28] <c_korn> ok
[11:32] <Handrix> hello
[11:32] <Handrix> when i try to build a package
[11:32] <Handrix> it ask me for a Maintainer
[11:33] <Handrix> i run debuild -S
[11:34] <Handrix> can anyone help me on this
[11:35] <directhex> your debian/control should have a Maintainer line
[11:36] <Handrix> yes
[11:37] <Handrix> and it has to contain an @ubuntu.com
[11:37] <Handrix> right ?
[11:44] <directhex> ubuntu packages should be set to Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:46] <Toadstool> Handrix: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-January/000235.html explains what to do with the Maintainer field
[11:51] <directhex> if a lib package has no rdeps, is it worth keeping in the archive?
[11:52] <geser> which lib is it?
[11:52] <Handrix> libdev-db
[11:52] <directhex> geser, libtapioca-cil
[11:52] <Handrix> sorry libdb-dev
[11:53] <Handrix> thanks Toadstool
[11:53] <Handrix> can you tell me where can i report a needs packaing bug
[11:53] <james_w> directhex: but I just fixed that!
[11:53] <directhex> james_w, i know. i'm casting a critical eye at divergences
[11:54] <directhex> james_w, e.g. autopano-sift being heavily patent-encumbered
[11:54] <directhex> (hence not in debian)
[11:54] <james_w> but yeah, if it would have been any harder to fix I might have asked to have it removed instead
[11:56] <geser> directhex: if it's not needed anymore IMHO it should be removed as we probably won't maintain it much in the future
[11:57] <directhex> geser, seems to be bindings to a lib used only by a dead app
[11:58] <geser> then request a removal, we don't need cruft in the archive (I guess we already have too much)
[11:58] <directhex> sorry james_w!
[11:59] <directhex> geser, is there an easy "requestsync" equiv for RM?
[11:59] <geser> no
[12:03] <directhex> cc ubuntu-archive?
[12:05] <james_w> u-u-s
[12:06] <EagleScreen> I cannot unsuscribe or edot my preferences in motu mail list
[12:06] <EagleScreen> i cannot log in and I never receibe the confirmation e-mail
[12:10] <EagleScreen> but my address is in the list, everyday I receibe docens of mails
[12:11] <pochu> soren, nixternal ^
[12:11] <pochu> (you are listed as administrators in lists.ubuntu.com)
[12:14] <EagleScreen> am I an administrator of the list? i cannot understand why
[12:21] <pochu> EagleScreen: not you, but soren and nixternal :)
[12:21] <pochu> they may be able to help you
[12:21] <pochu> EagleScreen: do you want to be removed from the list or?
[12:36] <EagleScreen> yes becouse I cannot atend that amount of mails
[12:36] <EagleScreen> I think I have to be removed and may be create another mail address only for motu usage
[12:44] <savvas> dh_clean
[12:44] <savvas> You must specify a valid JAVA_HOME or JAVACMD!
[12:44] <savvas> make: *** [ant-sanity-check] Error 1
[12:44] <savvas> what does this mean?
[12:44] <pschulz01> What verion format should I use for 'changelog' in PPA uploads?
[12:44] <sistpoty|work> savvas: do you have build-depends installed?
[12:45] <savvas> ah wait, found it sistpoty|work, wrong JAVA_HOME in debian/rules :)
[12:45] <sistpoty|work> even better .)
[12:45] <sistpoty|work> :)
[12:46] <savvas> debian seems to use "JAVA_HOME            := /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj"
[12:47] <savvas> hm.. package java-gcj-compat-headless should be in build-depends
[12:53] <savvas> last change: actually debian's source bcel build-depends should use default-jdk :P
[12:53] <savvas> much better hehe
[13:19] <bddebian> sistpoty|work, ScottK: Thanks.  Do I just turn that bug into a sync request or file a seperate bug for the sync and point at that one for approval?
[13:20] <geser> bddebian: apply kiss and reuse the bug
[13:21] <bddebian> *smack*
[13:21] <bddebian> Hi geser :)
[13:21] <geser> Hi bddebian :)
[13:43] <geser> huats: Hi, what's your plan for the sync request of pywebkitgtk?
[13:44] <huats> hey geser
[13:44] <huats> sorry not not replying yet
[13:44] <huats> I have seen your comment
[13:44] <huats> )
[13:44] <huats> :)
[13:45] <huats> geser: I would rather have a sync
[13:45] <huats> BUT
[13:45] <huats> so I can make the changes that are applyable for debian (since I am the maintener)
[13:46] <huats> geser: let me some time (say 1h) so that I can tackle a few stuffs and have a better view ok ?
[13:47] <huats> I was sick for a few days, and away from my computer so I have lots of stuffs to check :)
[13:48] <geser> huats: sure, as I know now that you will take care of it, you can take even more time if you need
[13:48] <huats> :)
[13:48] <huats> thanks for raising the question anyway :)
[13:48] <savvas> does anyone know how to re-create the folders in /var/spool/postfix/public/ ?
[13:51] <savvas> nvm, wrong channel :p
[13:53] <theholyduck> ;O this is pretty amusing
[13:53] <theholyduck> i created a post in multimedia&video. 30 minutes ago. and nobody has even VIEWED it :P
[13:53] <theholyduck> on the ubuntu forums
[13:55] <directhex> theholyduck, try making a post about how great arch linux is, if you want responses
[13:56] <theholyduck> directhex, but arch sucks even more than ubuntu
[13:56] <theholyduck> wich quite frankly is quite an archivement
[14:02] <savvas> damn sendmail-bin, the process wasn't killed
[14:03]  * theholyduck licks directhex http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1084588 gief me a read :P
[14:04] <theholyduck> actually i got a couple now. but no replies yet :P
[14:04] <savvas> theholyduck: I use debian-multimedia :P
[14:05] <theholyduck> i wouldnt trust it directly in ubuntu
[14:05] <theholyduck> without causing alot of breakages
[14:05] <theholyduck> pluss its not perfect
[14:05] <theholyduck> im just basing it on that currently
[14:05] <theholyduck> it still doesnt have good enough mplayer pacakges
[14:05] <theholyduck> and good enough variety of them
[14:06] <theholyduck> i just needed to get my head aroudn packaging that fits in ubuntu.  and a debian dir that works for creating ffmpeg :P
[14:06] <theholyduck> since fffmpeg wants to be like 80 bazzillion .debs in ubuntu
[14:07] <directhex> why not work with siretart instead of against him?
[14:08] <theholyduck> because you cant do a full ffmpeg up date in the middle of the 6 month cycle :P
[14:08] <theholyduck> where as my solution will eventually update every other day or so
[14:08] <theholyduck> it would cause too much potential breakages in releases. thus it will never be accepted
[14:08] <theholyduck> and i went for the. make my own solution
[14:09] <directhex> and you don't think siretart would have any insight on uninvasive ways to do things like package naming or automation?
[14:10] <theholyduck> well my current sollution seems to work:P
[14:10] <theholyduck> atleast partially :P
[14:10] <theholyduck> figuring it out yourself is half the fun
[14:10] <savvas> I'll have to agree on that :)
[14:10] <theholyduck> though admitedtly. if siretart want to make a constantly updated media repo. i'd be the first to join in
[14:11] <theholyduck> *wanted
[14:11] <theholyduck> he probaly has way more experience than me in packaging
[14:13] <savvas> medibuntu isn't updated anymore?
[14:14] <savvas> ah wait, there's no ffmpeg in medibuntu
[14:14] <theholyduck> among other things :P
[14:15] <theholyduck> their mplayer doesnt seem to be built from svn aswell
[14:15] <savvas> correction, there's no ffmpeg for jaunty in medibuntu :P
[14:15] <theholyduck> savvas, or intrepid
[14:15] <savvas> theholyduck: I know, they said that they follow ubuntu
[14:15] <theholyduck> savvas, and their 8.04 ffmpeg is from 2007 b:P
[14:15] <theholyduck> wich is like dinosaur levels
[14:17] <savvas> theholyduck: you could make a team for it, ubuntu-media-edge :)
[14:17] <theholyduck> savvas, well i could. but i dont have enough confidence in my packaging to start a actual team :P
[14:17] <theholyduck> not to mention the fact that i pretty much refuse to use ubuntu :P
[14:17] <savvas> (boo!!! :p)
[14:18] <theholyduck> savvas, im just here to fix it to make my life easier
[14:18] <theholyduck> i dont personally wanna use it
[14:18] <theholyduck> though admitedtly i managed to bork my 2 and a half year old debian sid install. and installed ubuntu 8.10 the other day
[14:19] <siretart> theholyduck: well, there is the motumedia PPA. or you could use your personal ppa
[14:20] <theholyduck> siretart, motumedia is still pretty damn outdated :P
[14:21] <theholyduck> ffmpeg from early 2008. x264 from late 2009
[14:21] <theholyduck> err
[14:21] <theholyduck> late 2007
[14:21] <siretart> upload new packages in your ppa and I can copy them over
[14:21] <mok0> theholyduck: oh, I thought you were from teh future
[14:22] <theholyduck> siretart, https://launchpad.net/~m-frydenlund/+archive/ppa
[14:22] <theholyduck> these work here :P
[14:22] <theholyduck> ffmpeg, x264, faac, xvid core :P
[14:23] <savvas> we have a motumedia? cool!
[14:23] <siretart> oh, nice. even with these unredistributable amr packages:/
[14:23] <theholyduck> siretart, :P
[14:24] <theholyduck> well medibuntu distrebuted them :P and i figured it wouldnt hurt too bad
[14:24] <theholyduck> but making ffmpeg not use them is pretty easy
[14:24] <theholyduck> id need to reup it thoguh
[14:24] <theholyduck> though you know that :D
[14:24] <siretart> medibuntu doesn't seem to care too much about licenses and legal problems. last time I looked they even had libdvdcss in their repos
[14:25] <directhex> siretart, if a package is known to violate a protected patent, is that grounds for an RM request?
[14:25] <mok0> directhex: you wanna remove mono :-P
[14:25] <theholyduck> though a ubuntu-media-edge team wouldnt be the worst idea ever
[14:25] <broonie> directhex: Arguably that applies to the kernel now.
[14:26] <directhex> mok0, mono has no "known" violations, the package in question even names the owner in LICENSE
[14:26] <siretart> anyways, it seems that you updated x264 from marillat. I'll make a note to review your update and upload it to motumeida this night
[14:26] <directhex> broonie, FAT32 4 evar!
[14:26] <siretart> directhex: only if you have evidence that the patent is actively enforced
[14:26] <savvas> so.. what happens if someone sues medibuntu?
[14:27] <siretart> theholyduck: do you have some mechanism to update the packages automatically or do you rely on marillat to update them?
[14:27] <theholyduck> siretart, well currently i just got it directly off debian-multimedia and modified some debs :p
[14:27] <mok0> directhex: Patent violations are only such if a case is made in court (AFAIK)
[14:27] <directhex> savvas, they die
[14:27] <theholyduck> siretart, i will eventually
[14:27] <savvas> ouch
[14:27] <theholyduck> im working on that part :P
[14:27] <siretart> theholyduck: tell me if you have something, I'll happily review it
[14:27] <theholyduck> siretart, hehe :)
[14:29] <theholyduck> siretart, anyways thats the hope. a relativly automated system that lets me maintain ubuntu media packages
[14:30] <theholyduck> without having to do much work myself
[14:30] <siretart> ah, it seems you have found the main problem in maintaining packages..
[14:31] <theholyduck> siretart, indeed :P
[14:31] <theholyduck> maintaining them :D
[14:31] <savvas> the "sanity check" problem heh
[14:31] <theholyduck> the problem with ffmpeg is that they have a tendency to change things randomly :P
[14:31] <theholyduck> so i need ot make it fairly modular and easy to fix again
[14:32] <siretart> did you have a look at debian/README.upstream-upgrade?
[14:33] <theholyduck> did not :P
[14:34] <siretart> check out the ffmpeg branch  at git.debian.org
[14:36] <sistpoty|work> thanks for the upload, siretart :)
[14:37] <theholyduck> siretart, intresting :P
[14:39] <theholyduck> siretart, also its "Only" 1 month outdated
[14:39] <theholyduck> on sid :P
[14:39] <theholyduck> wich quite frankly isnt BAD :P
[14:39] <theholyduck> when you consider the shit most distros package
[14:41] <theholyduck> but it will have to wait. im pretty damn tired currently. i spent all nite trying to make ppa stop being stupid :P
[14:41] <siretart> I'm considering another update in the next days, tbh
[14:41] <theholyduck> or rather makinig myself package correctly
[14:42] <mok0> What's up with MoM? She ain't working
[14:44] <savvas> and DaD was sued and gave the children to MoM :p
[14:44] <mok0> DaD simply left the family
[14:44] <savvas> (just kidding:))
[14:46] <savvas> can someone issue a rebuild on aptoncd?
[14:47] <savvas> I think it doesn't require any changes for the python transition
[14:48] <maxb> ooi, has anyone made a "still needs transition" tracker?
[14:49] <savvas> hm..
[14:50] <savvas> maxb: find me a name :)
[14:50] <maxb> name for what?
[14:50] <savvas> I'll start a wiki article
[14:51] <savvas> well, with all the packages: grep-available -F Depends "python (<< 2.6)"|grep ^Package
[14:51]  * maxb notes that grep-dctrl can take an -sPackage flag
[14:53]  * POX points savvas to '-s' option
[14:53]  * maxb also suggests grep-aptavail, lest you be relying on a potential out of date dpkg-available db
[14:53] <POX> maxb: oh, didn't see your msg :)
[14:53] <geser> savvas: looking at aptoncd
[14:53] <maxb> and I guess a tracker is hardly required, given it's only one command away. Didn't stop to think it would be *quite* that trivial :-)
[14:54] <savvas> geser: thanks :) It was built successfully, but I didn't keep the package unfortunately - let me find the link to the log
[14:55] <savvas> 21:17:03< savvas> aptoncd builds fine - just needs a rebuild: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23268539/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.aptoncd_0.1.98-0ubuntu4~ppajaunty1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[14:55] <savvas> geser: ^
[14:55] <geser> savvas: no need to search for as I always test build before I sponsor something
[14:55] <savvas> oki doki
[14:56] <savvas> maxb: a tracker could be useful, given that some packages wait for approval
[14:56] <geser> savvas: aptoncd isn't a simply rebuild (look at the package contents)
[14:57] <savvas> geser: ok, I'll check it once more :\
[14:58] <geser> savvas: I've done the needed changes already
[14:58] <mok0> geser: yeah it doesn't rebuild as-it, you have to add --install-layout=deb
[14:58] <geser> mok0: I know
[14:59] <mok0> geser: sorry
[14:59] <geser> savvas: the problem are the files in /usr/local mentioned in your PPA build log
[15:00] <mok0> geser: is there only 1 supported python version in jaunty?
[15:00] <savvas> geser: they ought to contain python2.5 as well?
[15:01] <mok0> only 2.6 modules are built
[15:01] <geser> mok0: pyversions -s => python2.5 python2.6
[15:01] <mok0> geser: hm
[15:02] <geser> aptoncd doesn't loop over the supported python versions during build but only uses the default version
[15:02] <mok0> geser: yes
[15:02] <mok0> geser: the source package has some lintian warnings too
[15:03] <geser> it would perhaps be good to use python-(shared|central)
[15:04] <savvas> oooh I get it, /usr/lib instead of /usr/local/lib ?
[15:04] <geser> savvas: yes
[15:04] <mok0> savvas: the default of setup.py has been changed to install in /usr/local
[15:05] <savvas> so that's why you suggested --install-layout=deb above, I see
[15:06] <mok0> savvas: yes
[15:06] <savvas> mok0: when was this changed?
[15:06] <mok0> savvas: with python 2.6
[15:06] <savvas> good to know :P
[15:06] <savvas> thanks :)
[15:07] <mok0> savvas: It's a feature provided by Python authors so distros can install in a separate tree
[15:08] <james_w> it's a feature added in the Ubuntu packages
[15:08] <mok0> james_w: oh? I thought it was upstream
[15:08] <james_w> I don't think so
[15:09] <mok0> james_w: ok
[15:09] <mok0> james_w: perhaps it's correct to say that it is prompted by upstream then?
[15:10] <james_w> I'm not sure
[15:10] <mok0> james_w: I think b/c Debian/Ubuntu's way of doing things interferes with theirs
[15:10] <james_w><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:11] <mok0> james_w: yeah I read it, but found it hard to understand :-)
[15:11] <mok0> james_w: all the talk of /usr/local was confusing
[15:18] <mok0> Hi RainCT
[15:19] <mok0> RainCT: did you kill off MoM?
[15:19] <lidaobing> hello, who can help check bug 335796, thanks
[15:20] <RainCT> Hi mok0
[15:20] <RainCT> mok0: No, I don't even have access to it.
[15:20] <mok0> RainCT: Oh :-P
[15:21]  * RainCT mentions this in #canonical-sysadmin
[15:25] <RainCT> mok0: they're on it
[15:26] <mok0> RainCT: many thanks!
[15:26] <RainCT> np
[15:27] <mok0> Jeez, this python build scared the sh*t out of me...
[15:32] <sistpoty|work> lidaobing: I'll take a look at qterm (in regards to sponsoring)
[15:32] <lidaobing> sistpoty|work, thanks
[15:36] <ScottK> bddebian: Editing that one into a sync request is best.
[15:39] <sistpoty|work> lidaobing: looks all good, ack'd
[15:39] <lidaobing> sistpoty|work, thanks
[15:40] <sistpoty|work> thanks for maintaining qterm ;)
[15:41]  * theholyduck likes his urxvt
[15:41] <theholyduck> why anyone would use a terminal OTHER than urxvt is beyond me
[15:49] <mok0> theholyduck: here's a reason: E: Couldn't find package urxvt
[15:50] <theholyduck> mok0, well rxvt-unicode
[15:50] <theholyduck> :P
[15:50] <theholyduck> is the package name
[15:50] <savvas> hm..
[15:50] <theholyduck> mok0, basicly urxvt does EVERYTHING:P
[15:50] <savvas> the packages should have python2.5 support as well, right?
[15:51] <theholyduck> diffrent fonts for diffrent kinds of text. extendable via perl scripts
[15:51] <theholyduck> etc,etc,etc
[15:51] <theholyduck> basicly urxvt is one of the fastest most extendable and configurable terminal emulators around
[15:53]  * savvas tries to use python$* ./setup.py install ...
[15:53]  * mok0 is happy with terminator
[15:58] <phomes> Any reason mobile-broadband-provider-info is not being updated? Current version (20081015) lacks one of the major danish providers and support questions for this are frequently popping up
[15:59] <mok0> phomes: Do you know how to add it?
[16:01] <phomes> mok0: it is already added to the newest version (20081124) at http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/mobile-broadband-provider-info/tags/
[16:01] <RainCT> mok0: terminator rocks :)
[16:01] <mok0> phomes: so what you want is an update of the package, from upstream?
[16:02] <phomes> mok0: yes, if possible
[16:02] <mok0> phomes: then please file a bug report on LP
[16:02] <mok0> phomes: otherwise we'll forget
[16:02] <phomes> mok0: okay. Thanks
[16:03] <bddebian> ScottK: Yeah I adjusted it, though I probably did it wrong. :)  Thanks!
[16:03] <ScottK> K
[16:07] <mok0> james_w: you were right, --install-layout is patched on in the package
[16:07] <ScottK> RainCT: rgreening, whose upload you sponsored over the weekend, has a MOTU application pending.  You might want to comment: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/rgreening/DeveloperApplicationMOTU
[16:09] <mok0> ScottK, any plans of backporting python2.6?
[16:09] <ScottK> No.
[16:09] <ScottK> I think it's too intrusive.
[16:09] <mok0> probably, yeah
[16:09] <rgreening> RainCT: btw, the two fauz-pas... thanks for pointing out. Im used to working kdepackages which are already -*ubuntu*'ized, and the maintainer field is there. I;ll keep on my list for new ones. And the lp bug report. honest mistake. *slap* :)
[16:10] <mok0> ScottK, it builds fine under intrepid, though
[16:10] <rgreening> I shouldn't work on things at 4AM with no sleep :)
[16:10] <ScottK> My concern isn't will it work, but the impact having a new system Python will have on the rest of the system.
[16:11] <mok0> Yes, everything needs rebuilding
[16:13] <geser> mok0: only if you backport also python-default else you only need to backport/rebuild the packages which should have a python2.6 module
[16:14] <mok0> geser: k
[16:15] <phomes> mok0: looks like it already has a bug for updating. Should any special motu address be subscribed to the bug?
[16:16] <mok0> phomes, bug number?
[16:16] <phomes> mok0: 317860
[16:16] <mok0> bug 317860
[16:18] <doko> geser: thanks for the python updates in universe :-) how many are left? ;)
[16:19] <mok0> phomes: hm, that file ought to be dynamically updated
[16:20] <mok0> phomes: the package is in main, so you need to get hold of a core-dev
[16:21] <mok0> phomes: you should subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors to the bug
[16:22] <phomes> mok0: okay. Thanks. Just subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors and that is fine? Or should I go hunt for a core-dev as well?
[16:22] <mok0> phomes: you can do both :-)
[16:22] <phomes> mok0: I'll do that then. Core-devs hang out at #ubuntu-devel?
[16:23] <mok0> phomes: yes
[16:23] <mok0> phomes: we have some here, but they are hiding
[16:23] <ScottK> doko: Would you please update python-xml?  It looked like more trouble than I wanted to mess with.
[16:24] <mok0> phomes: it seems fairly important & a simple fix so I think you can find someone
[16:24] <geser> doko: around 250 binary packages according to 'apt-cache unmet -i | grep "python (< 2.6)" -c' :(
[16:24] <doko> ScottK: we did want to remove it post-intrepid ...
[16:24] <phomes> mok0: okay. Thanks for your help
[16:24] <mok0> np!
[16:24] <ScottK> doko: Yes, but there are still packages that need it IIRC.
[16:25] <savvas> should aptoncd have /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ as well? I only get /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/
[16:27] <bddebian> Anyone know who Devid Filoni is?
[16:27] <geser> savvas: for that the aptoncd packaging needs a little work as it currently only uses the default python version
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> bddebian: devfil on irc
[16:28] <bddebian> JontheEchidna: Thanks
[16:28] <geser> bddebian: LP knows it :) https://edge.launchpad.net/~d.filoni
[16:29] <savvas> geser: ok, I'll look into it :)
[16:29] <bddebian> I've come to despise LP these days :(
[16:29] <bddebian> I'm just curious why crystalspace seems to build fine with java in Debian but FTBFS in Ubuntu
[16:29] <geser> using the same JDK in both cases?
[16:30] <bddebian> afaik
[16:30] <bddebian> Devid did a lot of work on it though so I was curious if he had a clue
[16:34] <geser> bddebian: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/crystalspace shows that it build on amd64 and i386 at least
[16:34] <geser> but I can't see any java in the build-depends
[16:34] <bddebian> Yeah I couldn't either that's what makes it even weirder
[16:35] <bddebian> Unless gcj is getting brought in in Debian with something else..?
[16:36] <bddebian> ANd of course I forgot to save a build log and this thing take FOREVER to build :)
[16:36] <geser> no mentioning of gcj in the Debian build log for amd64
[16:37] <bddebian> I'll have to look at it
[16:42] <lajjr> hello dholbach
[16:42] <dholbach> hi lajjr
[16:43] <lajjr> do you by chance know when the next meeting is for motu??
[16:44] <dholbach> isn't it on  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU ?
[16:44] <lajjr> TBD
[16:45] <dholbach> lajjr: then I don't know - sorry - I think there was a call for MOTU Meeting organisation on the mailing list
[16:46] <billybigrigger> dholbach, is there going to be another open week after jaunty release?
[16:46] <billybigrigger> or was that a 1 time thing
[16:46] <dholbach> billybigrigger: there's definitely going to be - we had like 3 of them already
[16:46] <billybigrigger> oh ya
[16:46] <dholbach> billybigrigger: I don't have dates yet
[16:46] <dholbach> billybigrigger: jcastro might know
[16:46] <billybigrigger> haha, i missed 'em, loved open week after intrepid release
[16:46] <lajjr> oh good I was going to package a few things and kill some bugs to add to my application.
[16:47] <lajjr> so I have time ...lol
[16:47] <dholbach> billybigrigger: there should be logs of them
[16:47] <dholbach> lajjr: rock on!
[16:48] <billybigrigger> dholbach, im only seeing the last open week on the wiki, but im not digging too deep
[16:49] <dholbach> billybigrigger: check these out:
[16:49] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekintrepid
[16:49] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekhardy
[16:49] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekgutsy
[16:49] <billybigrigger> dholbach, ahhh there they are :P just have to open the eyes a bit more
[16:49] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekfeisty
[16:49] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekedgy
[16:49] <lajjr> Thanks Daniel. My application the way it stands will be weak. I will build it up. I have time to do so..
[16:50] <dholbach> lajjr: bring it on! :-)
[16:50] <billybigrigger> dholbach, yup just found them thanks :)
[16:50] <jpds> Woah.
[16:51]  * lajjr gotta get to it...
[16:51] <lajjr> Have a great day everyone...
[18:06]  * sistpoty|work calls it a day... cya
[18:39] <AdamDH> hi, what does dh_strip actually do?
[18:40] <fabrice_sp_> AdamDH, get rid of all the debug info in the binaries
[18:40] <fabrice_sp_> (for libraries and executables)
[18:42] <AdamDH> thanks, so in my case I do not need that, I need to ensure that my packages are not stripped? is there anything else I need to do to stop stirpping of executables and shared libraries?
[18:46] <quadrispro> hi fabrice_sp_
[18:46] <fabrice_sp_> AdamDH, your packages needs to be stripped, otherwise you will get a warning in lintian (except if you want to do a debug package)
[18:46] <fabrice_sp_> hi quadrispro
[18:46] <quadrispro> fabrice_sp_: I'm looking at bug 335300
[18:46] <fabrice_sp_> ok
[18:46] <quadrispro> and I see you listed libtool twice in Build-Depends
[18:47] <fabrice_sp_> do you understand how it was possible to build this package before?
[18:47] <fabrice_sp_> arghh
[18:47] <fabrice_sp_> I'll check
[18:47] <quadrispro> thx
[18:47] <AdamDH> fabrice, I am packaging a cross compiler and I have had a few issues with the libc not working, and I can only put that down to it been stripped?
[18:47] <fabrice_sp_> you're right: it was already there
[18:48] <fabrice_sp_> quadrispro, ^^
[18:48] <fabrice_sp_> I'll update my debdiff
[18:48] <quadrispro> fabrice_sp_: I dont know how it  was possible build it before now :/
[18:48] <quadrispro> fabrice_sp_: however, i'm test-building it right now
[18:49] <quadrispro> fabrice_sp_: ah-ah! -> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libhid/0.2.15+20060325-2.2
[18:50] <quadrispro> in fact, it ftbfs
[18:50] <fabrice_sp_> but if was building fine before
[18:50] <slytherin> AdamDH: AFAIK, striiping should not create functionality problems.
[18:50] <savvas> anyone working on decompyle?
[18:53] <AdamDH> in my package I keep getting: strip: Unable to recognise the format of the input file
[18:55] <savvas> Any motus to review/sponsor a patch? http://paste.ubuntu.com/125421/ http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23309069/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-amd64.decompyle_2.3.2-4.1ubuntu1~ppajaunty1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[19:00] <savvas> I'll file a bug :)
[19:01] <fabrice_sp> AdamDH, are you generating a binary in your package?
[19:01] <RainCT> savvas: please don't mess with DH_COMPAT
[19:01] <AdamDH> yes
[19:02] <savvas> RainCT: ok, I'll revert that change - thanks :)
[19:02] <RainCT> savvas: (unnecessary divergence from Debian) Also, does the application work with Python 2.7?  that "<< 2.6" in XS-Python-Versions looks suspicious
[19:04] <RainCT> savvas: well, actually I don't mind about the compat change (anyone doing a merge should know that if it remains as the only divergence we should sync), and I used to do such changes too :P, but it's pretty much useless
[19:05] <quadrispro> fabrice_sp: building -> http://home.alessiotreglia.com/jaunty/pool/libhid_0.2.15+20060325-2.2ubuntu1/libhid_0.2.15+20060325-2.2ubuntu1.buildlog
[19:05] <maxb> AdamDH: The host system's strip doesn't know how to strip cross-binaries. (I don't know what the proper fix is, though)
[19:06] <savvas> RainCT: er.. I don't know if it works with 2.7, but i managed to build it fine in PPA - never tested it though
[19:06] <savvas>  Note that it cannot yet decompile byte-code from Python 2.4 and 2.5.
[19:06] <savvas>  Decompyle converts Python byte-code back into equivalent Python source.
[19:06] <savvas> RainCT: ^
[19:06] <pkern> Hi, could somebody on jaunty please confirm that "Secure WebDAV (HTTPS)" is listed in Places, Connect to server on Gnome?
[19:06] <savvas>  It accepts byte-code from any Python version between 1.5 and 2.3 inclusive.
[19:07] <fabrice_sp> quadrispro, with my change, right? It's building fine ;-)
[19:07] <jdong_> IMO it is not hard to put together a Python decompiler
[19:08] <savvas> RainCT: it seems that decompyle is no longer available - only commercially
[19:08] <RainCT> Uhm.. Is that of any use nowadays? Python 2.3 max...
[19:08] <quadrispro> fabrice_sp: I did some little changes (unnecessary libtool on b-d && changelog entry)
[19:08] <savvas> RainCT: I don't know.. how do you file a package removal?
[19:11] <quadrispro> fabrice_sp: uploaded
[19:11]  * quadrispro going to have dinner
[19:11] <RainCT> savvas: file a bug asking for removal from Jaunty and blacklisting from syncs
[19:11] <fabrice_sp> quadrispro, thanks.
[19:11] <RainCT> Does anyone thing we should keep decompyler?
[19:12] <jdong_> is it official that python 2.3 is obsolete?
[19:12] <pkern> Anyone with Gnome on Jaunty up for three clicks?
[19:12] <ScottK> jdong: It's not in the repos.
[19:12] <ScottK> Hasn't been for a long time.
[19:12] <ScottK> Dapper I or maybe even before.
[19:12] <ScottK> ... I think ....
[19:12] <jdong_> ok then it is pretty pointless of a project for us to keep
[19:13] <jdong_> especially since3 upstream has gone commercial
[19:13] <RainCT> Debian switched to 2.3 early 2006
[19:13] <RainCT> err 2.4
[19:13] <savvas> I'll file the bug then
[19:13] <savvas> should I subscribe someone?
[19:14] <ScottK> savvas: ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[19:14] <savvas> ok thanks
[19:14] <RainCT> savvas: tell us the number and someone of us will ack it and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[19:14] <ScottK> Then a MOTU will subscribe the archive-admins after they review
[19:14] <savvas> ok hold a sec
[19:14] <savvas> actually, 5 minutes :P
[19:19] <savvas> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/336859
[19:20] <billybigrigger> pkern, yes, places/connect "secure webdav (https) is in jaunty
[19:20] <pkern> ScottK: ^^ I had expected that, but did not check myself, TBH.  Thanks, billybigrigger.
[19:21] <billybigrigger> pkern, np
[19:23] <eMerzh> Hi, i've a lintian warning but i don't know how to fix .... the error is desktop-mimetype-without-update-call....since my debian/rules file is tiny ( http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~emerzh/%2Bjunk/sqliteman/annotate/head%3A/rules ) ...i don't know how to call the "update-desktop-database" ...
[19:24] <eMerzh> should i just add a postinst with this?
[19:27] <savvas> eMerzh: try using debhelper (>= 7) in control and 7 in compat
[19:27] <RainCT> savvas: Ack'd, thanks.
[19:28] <savvas> RainCT: no, thank you! :P I kept the patch however, it seems good to keep for the rest hehe
[19:28] <RainCT> eMerzh: call dh_desktop
[19:28] <eMerzh> RainCT, where ? at the end of my rules ?
[19:29] <RainCT> Bumping to 7 won't do; iirc dh_desktop is only called by gnome.mk and the like (probably also kde.mk, etc.)
[19:29]  * savvas notes
[19:29] <RainCT> eMerzh: Yes, in a binary-install target
[19:30] <RainCT> eMerzh: So:   binary-install/<pkgname>::\n\tdh_desktop       where \n is "next line" and \t a tab :P
[19:30] <savvas> RainCT: what if he had the desktop file in the /debian/ directory?
[19:30] <mrooney> Would anyone mind giving me a hand with bug 333639, I am not sure what to provide to get the ubuntu package updated from upstream
[19:30] <RainCT> savvas: doesn't matter, it will look at debian/<pkgname>/usr/share/applications
[19:30] <savvas> aah ok
[19:32] <eMerzh> RainCT, juste at the end of a file like this  too? (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~emerzh/%2Bjunk/sqliteman/annotate/head%3A/rules)
[19:33] <james_w> mrooney: are you going to do an actual "upstream" release of the package?
[19:33] <RainCT> eMerzh: http://paste.debian.net/29600
[19:34] <eMerzh> RainCT, ok thanks a lot, i'll try this :)
[19:34] <RainCT> No problem. I'm off now, have to learn for an exam :(
[19:35] <savvas> good luck :)
[19:35] <mrooney> james_w: I did an upstream <IP_ADDRESS> release, it is linked in the bug report
[19:36] <RainCT> thanks
[19:37] <james_w> mrooney: well, with the packaging included in that, it could be just uploaded if you added a .dsc and a .changes
[19:37] <james_w> mrooney: but if there are any fixes needed it's not that easy
[19:37] <mrooney> james_w: what do you mean by "fixes needed", as in if the packaging isn't right?
[19:37] <james_w> well, easy, but perhaps slightly misleading
[19:37] <james_w> yeah
[19:38] <james_w> for instance the version number is not standard for a native package, which is what you have created
[19:39] <mrooney> hmm
[19:40] <mrooney> james_w: so how might I go from, the upstream <IP_ADDRESS> release to having an appropriate .dsc and .changes?
[19:40] <james_w> mrooney: well, you can't really do it, it needs to be a MOTU
[19:40] <mrooney> I am looking forward to not being overwhelmed by packaging and updates soon :)
[19:40] <mrooney> soon I will understand it all!
[19:41] <mrooney> I hope
[19:41] <james_w> heh :-)
[19:41] <mrooney> james_w: ahh so, should I update the bug report in some way?
[19:41] <mrooney> I am just worried about time constraints, and want to make sure I am doing everything I should be
[19:41] <james_w> a debdiff won't work
[19:41] <james_w> so just a pointer to your tarball again
[19:42] <james_w> and explain what you explained to me the other day
[19:42] <mrooney> okay, do you have time to add a brief comment? I feel like you might be able to explain an aspect or two that I don't fully grasp
[19:42] <james_w> sure
[19:42] <mrooney> thanks :)
[19:43] <kirkland> persia: hi, are you around?  question regarding https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kvm/+bug/277517
[20:03] <fabrice_sp> Hi. Could some archive admin try to rebuild ia32-libs-tools? I've been able to build it successfully in a pbuilder, and I think a rebuild should fix it.
[20:03] <fabrice_sp> (ftbfs: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23239676/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-amd64.ia32-libs-tools_11_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz)
[20:12] <eMerzh> If a new version of program that i've packaged and waiting in the revu is released, should i add a line in the changelog?
[20:13] <mrooney> eMerzh: I don't believe since the updated version is still going to be the initial release in Ubuntu
[20:13] <mrooney> that's how I did it anyway
[20:14] <eMerzh> ok mrooney ...
[20:15] <mrooney> eMerzh: just change the version in the changelog
[20:16] <eMerzh> yep :) thanks for the reminder :)
[20:16] <RainCT> fabrice_sp: I've scheduled it on two arches (any MOTU can do). If it builds, poke me and I'll do the remaining ones
[20:17] <fabrice_sp> RainCT, did knew MOTU could do that. Thanks!
[20:22] <savvas> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lz
[20:22] <savvas> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[20:22] <savvas> -lz ?
[20:23] <hyperair> is there any freeze on that prevents universe packages from being upgraded?
[20:23] <savvas> ah zlib1g-dev
[20:23] <pkern> hyperair: feature freeze
[20:24] <hyperair> pkern: feature freeze includes versions?
[20:24] <hyperair> in that case i should put it to karmic then
[20:24] <pkern> hyperair: bugfixes only
[20:25] <hyperair> pkern: this is a new upstream release
[20:25] <hyperair> well i'll just set it to karmic then
[20:25] <superm1> hyperair, well are there new features in the upstream release, or is it a bugfix only release?
[20:25] <hyperair> probably new features as well
[20:26] <superm1> if it's bugfix only, it can still be uploaded, otherwise it would need a feature freeze exception, and unless you have a compelling reason, it should generally be deferred then
[20:26] <hyperair> i don't have a compelling reason =p
[20:26] <hyperair> so how should i go about it? i file the bug now, attach the diff.gz, and then after karmic opens up, subscribe universe-sponsors?
[20:28] <savvas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[20:28] <savvas> (I think)
[20:28] <savvas> ah wait, misread :P
[20:28] <savvas> ignore me :)
[20:29] <pkern> hyperair: Get it uploaded to Debian and autosynced to Karmic when it opens up.
[20:29] <hyperair> pkern: it's taking ages= \
[20:29] <pkern> hyperair: (You don't need to take care of the latter if there are no Ubuntu-specific changes.)
[20:29] <hyperair> it isn't in debian at the moment
[20:30] <hyperair> i'm trying to get it in, but nobody seems to be interested in sponsoring
[20:32] <eMerzh> My packgage freshly updated...(after a long wait for licence issue) http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=sqliteman ...if someone want to revu it again :) thanks
[20:36] <hyperair> eMerzh: what's dh_desktop for in debian/rules?
[20:37] <hyperair> hmm isn't cdbs supposed to take care of the dh_* stuff?
[20:38] <eMerzh> hyperair, it's to update the .desktop database...RainCT told me to do so :)
[20:38] <hyperair> eMerzh: i'd actually look into using /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/{kde4,xfce,gnome}.mk instead =\
[20:39] <hyperair> well i suppose it doesn't really matter
[20:39] <hyperair> though i didn't use it for my packages
[20:42] <savvas> er..
[20:42] <savvas> ./usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/cs_helpers.py
[20:42] <savvas> this should be dist-packages right?
[20:43] <hyperair> eMerzh: i think you're missing the license text for the bsd license
[20:43] <ScottK> savvas: Yes.  2.6 and site-packages is wrong.
[20:44] <eMerzh> hyperair, ok just a copy of http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html ?
[20:44] <savvas> thanks ScottK - I'm trying out to update capisuite to python 2.6 :)
[20:45] <hyperair> eMerzh: yeah i think that should do
[20:46] <hyperair> eMerzh: well other than that, it looks good to me. i didn't try building it though =p
[20:47] <hyperair> eMerzh: make sure the binaries are lintian clean
[20:47] <hyperair> and poke a motu
[20:47] <hyperair> i'm not one
[20:47] <eMerzh> hyperair, ok thanks ... i'll  update the freebsd and upload :)
[20:47] <hyperair> eMerzh: alright
[21:02]  * eMerzh poke a MOTU to review his freshly updated package :) (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=sqliteman)
[21:06] <savvas> Is there a python command to get the default python module directory?
[21:07] <maxb> default in what sense? :-)
[21:07] <savvas> maxb: something like this: python -c "from distutils import sysconfig; print sysconfig.get_python_lib(1,1)"
[21:09] <savvas> but to return the dist-packages directory for 2.6 or site-packages for 2.5
[21:09] <james_w> savvas: check /usr/share/python/python.mk
[21:11] <savvas_> ok let's hope I stick around this time :P
[21:13] <RainCT> include /usr/share/pycentral-data/pycentral.mk          $(call sitedir,$(python_ver))
[21:14] <RainCT> the $(...) gives either site-packages or dist-packages depending on the value of $python_ver, not sure if that's what you want
[21:18] <asomething> are bindings ok in /usr/lib/python-support/*/python2.6/ ?
[21:19] <ScottK> that looks right.
[21:26] <savvas_> ls
[21:27] <savvas_> oops
[21:30] <savvas> hm.. I wonder if I should patch acinclude.m4 and aclocal.m4 or just move the built files from site-packages to dist-packages in debian/rules
[21:30] <savvas> or should I patch configure? :\
[21:31] <pkern> Bah, is there a way with kvm/qemu to switch virtual consoles?
[21:32] <jcfp> With a python app not working with 2.6, should I just restrict python versions to 2.5, and make it point #!/usr/bin/python2.5?
[21:33] <ScottK> jcfp: No.  Generally stuff should work.
[21:33] <ScottK> savvas: Better to have the build system put stuff in the right place than shove it around in debian/rules.
[21:34] <ScottK> jcfp: Usually there are minor packaging changes are all that's needed to get stuff working with 2.6.
[21:35] <jcfp> ScottK: but in case it doesn't? Upstream is aware of it and attempting to fix things for a future release, out in the summer somewhere.
[21:35] <ScottK> Yes.  then do that.
[21:35] <jcfp> ok thanks
[21:37] <pkern> ScottK: Hm, the bug also applies to hardy.  Trying the fix now...
[21:37] <ScottK> pkern: Thanks for checking.
[21:38] <pkern> Apart from bloody ubuntu-vm-builder.  Not setting a password for root and gdm not letting root log in and no gdm configuration panel available.
[21:39] <pkern> ScottK: The fix will be identical, although I don't know if also packaging-wise...
[21:40]  * ScottK nods.
[21:45] <pkern> ScottK: Same patch applies cleanly \o/
[21:45] <ScottK> ok
[21:45] <ScottK> Please shove a debdiff in the bug and I'll deal with it from there.
[21:45]  * pkern will attach another debdiff to the bug shortly.
[21:50] <pkern> ScottK: attached, thanks
[21:50]  * ScottK looks
[22:00] <fabrice_sp> Can someone unsubscribe U-S-u from Bug #336904? I have to convert it into a sync request, with a FFe... thanks
[22:02] <ScottK> Done
[22:03] <ScottK> pkern: Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Ubuntu.
[22:04] <fabrice_sp> thanks
[22:07] <pkern> ScottK: Heh. ;-)
[22:11] <AdamDH> what happens if you have to ship a binary inside your package? there is no source to compile from. Do I just use install to install the programme and required libarys?
[22:12] <ScottK> AdamDH: First, that means it has to go in Multiverse.
[22:12] <AdamDH> where do I tell my package it has to go in Multiverse? I was going to leave it in my ppa
[22:13] <ScottK> If it's uploaded to Ubuntu, the archive admins will take care of that.
[22:13] <james_w> I'm not sure you can upload it to your PPA
[22:14] <ScottK> Yeah.  That was going to be my next comment.
[22:14] <AdamDH> might be easier for people to just get the binary and libs away from a package for it
[22:14] <ScottK> You need to read the PPA terms of service closely and see if it's allowed in a PPA.
[22:15] <AdamDH> I will take a read and ask in launchpad
[22:15] <savvas> AdamDH: you could use get-orig-source: in debian/rules for that
[22:15] <ScottK> savvas: I think you're answering a different question than he's asking.
[22:15] <savvas> but still.. the package will probably cause problems with the terms of service
[22:16] <AdamDH> its proprietary code so they just ship a binary
[22:16] <savvas> oh..
[22:16] <savvas> ScottK: right, sorry :P
[22:16] <ScottK> AdamDH: I'm pretty sure that can't go in a PPA.
[22:17] <AdamDH> So if I just place it on my website, whats the best way to create a package for it? its two libarys and a binary
[22:17] <savvas> AdamDH: you could add a script and explain them to run the script and include that proprietary program :) or just ask the developers of that program to open up :P
[22:18] <AdamDH> savvas they will not open up the linux version has not been updated in a while to support new devices (its a programme to programme msp430 micros via gdb its a proxy) the windows version is allways up to date
[22:18] <savvas> ScottK: I managed to patch capisuite, thanks for the suggestion before :)
[22:19] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[22:21] <tuxmaniac> anyone on jaunty who can test bug 291075 ?
[22:21] <tuxmaniac> I believe it is a libtool issue and there has been updates to libtool in Jaunty
[22:22] <tuxmaniac> oops may be its not related to #u-motu but more related to #u-bugs
[22:22] <tuxmaniac> sorry
[22:25] <savvas> doko: here? you commented something on bug 336344 - should capisuite build-depend on zlib1g-dev or should I try and remove the -lz library call?
[22:29] <savvas> tuxmaniac: you could also try #ubuntu+1 :)
[22:30] <tuxmaniac> aah yeah forgot. thanks savvas
[22:32] <savvas> np hehe
[22:33] <DktrKranz> james_w, hi. did you have the chance to look at bug 336067? It blocks some applications (such as requestsync), so it could be useful to have it. I tested the upstream patch and seems good.
[22:33] <james_w> DktrKranz: I'm getting to it
[22:33] <james_w> DktrKranz: thanks for testing though
[22:33] <DktrKranz> cool, thanks :)
[22:33] <james_w> DktrKranz: feel free to upload :-)
[22:33] <DktrKranz> ok then, I'll have a look
[22:55] <AdamDH> where would I find the termcap library on ubuntu? I have a dependancy for it but cannot find it on packages.ubuntu etc
[23:00] <jpds_> OK...
[23:04] <directhex> jms@destiny:~$ apt-file search libtermcap
[23:04] <directhex> libncurses5-dev: /usr/lib/libtermcap.a
[23:04] <directhex> libncurses5-dev: /usr/lib/libtermcap.so
[23:06] <tgm4883> geez directhex, what button did you push?
[23:07] <directhex> tgm4883, just finished installing evil M$ trojans on freenode
[23:07] <tgm4883> Windows?
[23:08] <tgm4883> or is there another MS trojan?
[23:09] <directhex> depends who you believe
[23:27] <Laney> DktrKranz: here?
[23:27] <DktrKranz> Laney, for a little while
[23:27] <Laney> "Disable PrintSample support, obsolete" in gtksourceview-sharp2
[23:27] <Laney> I'm wondering what that's for?
[23:27] <Laney> (just looking at it in Debian)
[23:28] <DktrKranz> Laney, IIRC, it fixed a FTBFS
[23:28] <Laney> oh, weird
[23:28] <Laney> don't see it in sid
[23:28] <Laney> let me try in Jaunty
[23:38] <savvas> goodnight everyone :)
[23:40] <savvas> james_w: I provided two debdiffs for bug 336344 - I think the one without zlib needs testing (I haven't tested the program of neither of them)
[23:41] <james_w> savvas: thanks, I'll try and get to it soon


[03:01] <guiverc> can i post https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2019-February/000238.html on fridge?
[03:03] <krytarik> Yes, please!
[03:29] <guiverc> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/02/15/ubuntu-18-04-2-lts-released/   (headings are bold only; couldn't achieve your larger font (18.04.1) krytarik - i think how pasted it forced what I got..)
[03:33] <krytarik> guiverc: I used "
Header
" there.
[03:35] <krytarik> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2018/10/18/ubuntu-18-10-cosmic-cuttlefish-released/ - but it's an improvement over this one already. >_>
[03:36] <guiverc> i considered an 'edit' yours (to peek at what was done then cancel), do you want/need me to change?   better good enough :)
[03:38] <guiverc> is it worth publising on weekly newsletter social media?  (I usually don't)
[03:40] <krytarik> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2018/08/02/ubuntu-16-04-5-lts-released/ - here you simply did bold too, which is generally fine enough for me - the headers I did look rather ginormous in the context. :P  Also, the 18.10 post doesn't have the text autowrap unlike all the others.
[03:42] <krytarik> Yeah, as I said earlier, I'm generally in favor of doing social media on non-UWN posts too - if someone is willing to make the effort.
[03:45] <krytarik> And here I simply looked at the source code of the produced post of mine btw. :P
[03:46] <guiverc> i can't be relied on to remember things (brain injury), if you told me I forgot sorry (at least now; some days I'm better than others..).   ...  I'll settle for posting on social.media today
[03:46] <krytarik> I wonder though if I put the tags there manually or if the editor has buttons for them.
[03:48] <krytarik> Well, not sure anymore if you were around when I talked about it then, so.. :)
[03:48] <guiverc> i looked for ways to do it via buttons (I don't remember tags) & didn't see way.. it had bold so I settled for that..  (spending most of time removing \n\w\w etc.  i suspec you manually added them
[03:49] <krytarik> In which mode do you paste text like this there then?  Visual or text?  Should be the latter.
[03:52] <guiverc> it's got a new interface; it wants 'block' mode.. and it ended up stuck in performatted-block  (heading changed all lines)  .. switching to view source (in word press, not browser) lost \n (becoming
 that was too busy for me to not get lost...)  i'll try again next release/EOL
[03:54] <krytarik> Yeah, I still have yet to see its new interface.
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[04:05] <krytarik> guiverc: So now, instead of having the text separated into paragraphs using the '

' tag, it's all in one separated by two '
' tags. >_>
[04:06] <krytarik> Which seems to be what makes the space between the paragraphs quite a bit larger.
[04:06] <guiverc> i removed quite a lot of \n's .... anyway tweet, g+ & even fb 18.04.2 done
[04:08] <krytarik> Cool, thanks for all of it!
[04:09] <krytarik> "Don't look at the source code!" :D
[04:22] <guiverc> FYI: that 18.10 (rude-word-redacted) you pasted has been cleaned up a little
[04:34] <krytarik> guiverc: Oh thanks!  I thought of it too, but didn't dare to suggest it. >_>
[04:36] <guiverc> LOL - you achieved the same thing by letting me see it :)   it was an abonimation (spel?)
[04:40] <krytarik> Could you normalize the space around the headers there someway at least still though?
[04:43] <krytarik> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abomination - and you were close enough there!
[05:16] <guiverc> normalize spacing; i added double lines before bold(headings) as single line looked bad... adding
 didn't really help,  I've switched  tags to
 but spacing is not better...  (hopefully less noticable maybe)
[05:17] <krytarik> I mean some headers have less space around them than usual.
[05:38] <guiverc> I don't see it sorry krytarik
[05:41] <krytarik> guiverc: There is less space below of "About Ubuntu" and "More Information" than below the other headers.
[06:04] <guiverc> sorry I still don't see it...  I'd never be employed for anything related to aesthetics/good-taste  .. it complains now about 'invalid content' (last attempt was with tags in html) so I'd prefer to leave it now & not risk loosing anything (the 18.10 post had errors where I'd made errors with mouse; i've reduced dexterity with hands & make errors)
[06:08] <krytarik> "
More Information
" vs "
Help Shape Ubuntu

"
[06:14] <guiverc> something is wrong ...  was replaced with
 awhile back..
[06:15] <guiverc> if i enter edit, search finds no  strings (in html)
[06:17] <krytarik> Probably because it's '' there.  That wasn't the point though, but rather the double '
' or not.
[06:29] <krytarik> ...Actually, I think it's '' in the editor too - so it would seem you are working on another post than the 18.10 one. >_>
[06:29] <guiverc> krytarik, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DHBGf4p8rw/  -- still don't see it.   (my pain level is higher, so my attention for detail is reduced)
[06:30] <guiverc> yes - I'm on 18.04.2
[06:30] <krytarik> ..Hehe, yep! :P
[06:33] <guiverc> I'll have a look at 18.10 in a little while, thanks krytarik ..
[07:05] <guiverc> LOL @ huge space gaps [in 18.10] which I couldn't see [when looking at 18.04.2]  ...  changed to <3> & extra

 lines all removed (added missing first, gap was too big with h3 so remove all) -- 18.10
[07:11] <krytarik> Ok, both look much better now, thanks!  Just could you remove the extra '

' tags still at the bottom of each post, above and below the attribution line?
[07:25] <guiverc> done
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[00:06] <ronj> hello again. Got no answer yet to my "Half of keyboard shortcuts don't do anything" problem on #gnome-shell, but one friend of mine just upgraded and has the problem too.
[00:39] <bjsnider> problem is this is not a good time to be asking questions in there
[00:48] <bjsnider> weather extension now updated and working with 3.10
[02:21] <bjsnider> looked into totem 3.10.1 a bit
[02:21] <bjsnider> it requires a new totem-pl-parser, which in turn requires a new libsoup. the latter is already built in debian, and builds fine here too, so no big deal
[02:22] <bjsnider> but pl-parser still has a ftbfs due to a gensymbols error
[02:22] <bjsnider> and even if that wasn't the case i don't know if that's enough to get totem past the configure stage
[02:22] <bjsnider> i did refresh the patches for it
[08:37] <lain_> test
[08:37] <lain_> hi
[09:29] <rubiotel> hola...¿algien que hable español?
[09:47] <trolo> hi
[09:48] <trolo> has anyone problems with online accounts?
[10:54] <wondering> hello..
[14:17] <octane> hey, somebody can tell me what is the live session user password? I want to try the gnome classic session
[14:30] <zero1> hello all, I recently installed ubuntu-gnome 13.04, yet when I run screenfetch it lists my DE as Unity 7.0.0 (I also had to turn off amazon search, etc) is this normal or did I somehow end up with an ubuntu installation from an ubuntu-gnome iso?
[18:42] <phillw> nadrimajstor: you about?
[18:44] <nadrimajstor> phillw: I'm really bad at multitasking... Please, lead me in to you quiestion.
[18:44] <phillw> nadrimajstor: :) is this you? https://launchpad.net/~ipejic
[18:45] <nadrimajstor> phillw: correct... that is me :)
[18:45] <phillw> I'm just updating our mirror areas on the wiki and wish to credit you with your mirror for us :)
[18:49] <phillw> nadrimajstor: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu#Mirror_Sites Thanks for being a mirror :)
[18:49] <nadrimajstor> phillw: That is as at least I can do... I'll do more when I find where I do fit the best... For now I'm trying not to be annoying :)
[18:51] <phillw> mirroring is always a great way to help. Doesn't take much time to maintain, but does make a difference to the smaller teams who do not have as many torrent seeders (more so for lubuntu as we have so many versions!)
[18:51] <nadrimajstor> phillw: Could you make one small change?
[18:52] <phillw> nadrimajstor: I can, or you can edit any wiki page!
[18:52] <nadrimajstor> phillw: set url to http://ubuntu-cdimage.nadrimajstor.com/lubuntu/releases/saucy/release/
[18:53] <nadrimajstor> phillw: I can edit any page... B-)
[18:53] <phillw> nadrimajstor: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu#Mirror_Sites that okay for you?
[18:54] <nadrimajstor> phillw: great work...
[18:54] <phillw> feel free to poke me for wiki stuff. It's not actually scary!
[18:56] <nadrimajstor> phillw: s1 sub-domain might change... however I will make sure that ubuntu-cdimage sub-domain is always correct.
[18:57] <phillw> nadrimajstor: okies... same as I hold all mine under http://phillw.net/isos/ that way, we all know the root for them :)
[18:59] <nadrimajstor> phillw: and when you want to move them to another server, you have to do http redirect?
[19:00] <phillw> nadrimajstor: as my dedi server has been around for a while, I do not expect ever to lose my domain name. Should that happen, I'll just alter the DNS records :)
[19:02] <phillw> I was offered a much cheaper deal; but it would have meant losing my 10 ipV4 addresses which other teams use. It took only a few seconds to decide against that.
[19:03] <phillw> (I did have to check with my sponsor; and their decision was also made in seconds :) )
[19:04] <nadrimajstor> phillw: Hetzner.de have a biding system for older unused dedicated servers... When a price droped to 20EUR/month I could not resist to buy one. :D
[19:08] <nadrimajstor> phillw: I've purchased domain just try bitcoin and privacy policy of some Island ISP :D
[19:08] <phillw> that's cheaper than mine, but I could only switch to cheaper if I surrendered all of my ipV4's.
[19:08] <phillw> they are now worth a lot more than what I paid for:)
[19:09] <nadrimajstor> phillw: Well... In the package I got only one IPv4 address... for every additional one I will have to pay 1.5EUR/per IP
[19:10] <phillw> that's the going rate, mine are 1GBP / month from two split RIPE blocks I managed to get before they were all gone. I wanted a 3rd block, but missed out.
[19:14] <nadrimajstor> phillw: nice part was, IPv6 block is included in to the price... And to my surprise, third of the torrnet traffic is v6...
[19:17] <phillw> I have thousands of ipv6 :) them pesky ipv4's are getting harder to find :D
[19:18] <phillw> nadrimajstor: to say yes to the invite!
[19:18] <phillw> *do say yes*
[19:56] <shay> hi.
[19:57] <shay> gnome 3.8 and xkb are wrecking havoc on my bilingual keyboard. Can anybody help?
[20:00] <ronj> shay, hi. I do customize my QWERTY xkb keyboard layout for a few French characters and run 3.8 just fine so maybe I can help, go ahead
[20:01] <ronj> BTW, following up on my "Shell 3.10 from gnome3-next PPA causes system keyboard shortcuts to partially fail": https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1242423 . Can anyone reproduce this?
[20:01] <shay> ronj, thanks.
[20:01] <shay> I'm using bilingual us,il keyboard, which I (used to) switch with alt+shift
[20:02] <shay> 'setxkbmap -option grp:alt_shift_toggle "us,il"' did the trick
[20:02] <shay> but in Ubuntu Gnome 13.10/Gnome 3.8, the change of keyboards is erratic. The only thing that does change for sure is the keyboard status indicator
[20:02] <shay> the layout itself only sometimes. I can't figure out when it does (switching windows seem to help)
[20:03] <shay> switching using the keys set in the keyboard settings work, but I can't set alt+shift there.
[20:03] <shay> and using setxkbmap or gnome-tweak-tool breaks as described.
[20:04] <shay> Looking at setxkbmap -print, it looks like it got reset -- the "+il" disappers from the xkb_symbols line
[20:04] <shay> ideas?
[20:07] <ronj> ouch, no
[20:07] <ronj> what prevents you from using keys settable in the keyboard settings panel?
[20:09] <shay> ronj, you can't set alt+shift there
[20:09] <shay> and after 15+ years of alt+shift, I don't think I could get used to anything else :)
[20:09] <shay> I just don't know what process is changing xkb settings
[20:11] <shay> Hmm.. every time I press alt+shift (after a manual setxkbmap) I find a line
[20:11] <shay> XKB: resue xkmfile /var/lib/xkb/server-somethingsomething in my /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:19] <shay> solved it (I hope)
[20:20] <shay> removed the input-sources from dconf. no indicator on screen, but keyboard seems to work
[20:20] <shay> could live with that
[20:27] <ronj> :)
[20:28] <ronj> shay, glad to know I was a good rubber-duck for your problem :P http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/03/rubber-duck-problem-solving.html
[20:32] <jstressman> any easy way to be able to browse for the wallpaper I want?
[20:33] <jstressman> (I'm not moving anything into different folders so the functionality lacking wallpaper chooser can find them.)
[20:33] <shay> ronj, I don't have a rubber duck. Too old fashioned. I keep a small Cpt. Kirk doll at work.
[20:33] <shay> So you're my Cpt. Kirk ;)
[20:34] <bjsnider> jstressman, just use nautilus, right-click set as wallpaper
[20:37] <jstressman> bjsnider: *sigh* thanks. (I knew about that route, I was hoping there was something less counter-intuitive. You know, actually having a useful wallpaper selector instead of a worthless one that makes you use your file system browser instead.) :P
[20:37] <jstressman> hrm... doesn't really work well anyway... sets it on 2 of my 3 monitors. :/
[20:37] <jstressman> third is still blank.
[20:38] <jstressman> (be nice to be able to set a single image to span all 3 as well...)
[20:38] <jstressman> heh... when I go into overview mode, or whatever that's called... I can see it on the 3rd monitor then, but it disappears again when I go back to normal.
[20:40] <bjsnider> jstressman, you might want to bring these issues up on gimpnet #gnome-shell
[20:41] <jstressman> bjsnider: okee doke. I'm much much happier with Ubuntu Gnome than with Unity, don't get me wrong. ;) Just still frustrated with some stuff. thanks for the tips.
[20:41] <bjsnider> gnome 3 is not a finished product at all. stuff is getting added and tweaked and so forth with every release
[20:41] <jstressman> not sure how much of an improvement 3.10 is over 3.8 either.
[20:42] <jstressman> so I don't know what's been fixed in the latest releases etc.
[20:42] <bjsnider> which one are you running?
[20:43] <jstressman> I believe 3.8 comes with Ubuntu Gnome 13.10, correct?
[20:43] <jstressman> I'm running stock 13.10 on here.
[20:43] <bjsnider> haha
[20:44] <bjsnider> 3.10 adds a feature to backgrounds where it looks for pictures on your system
[20:44] <bjsnider> exactly what you want
[20:44] <bjsnider> i just checked
[20:44] <jstressman> (my other install was actually an older Ubuntu that I tricked into not having any of Unity by installing a command line Ubuntu from netinst I think it was... then adding X, and then Gnome 3 from a PPA. Eventually it thought it was Ubuntu Gnome, but it was buggy because it wasn't really.)
[20:44] <jstressman> nice :P
[20:45] <jstressman> I wonder how soon 3.10 will make it into an official release, or if I'd have to run a separate PPA or something?
[20:45] <bjsnider> seb128 suggested keeping 3.8 in 14.04
[20:46] <bjsnider> so it could be 12 months from now
[20:46] <jstressman> :'(
[20:46] <jstressman> are they going to port in parts of 3.10, or just stick with 3.8 across the board?
[20:47] <bjsnider> stick to the safest option i suppose
[20:47] <bjsnider> they're just talking about it nopw
[20:47] <jstressman> gotcha.
[21:04] <clepto> Hello! I'm interested in development. Can someone give me more info? Like what language do you use for a start
[21:33] <ronj> Skype refuses to output any sound since I upgraded to 13.10, am I the only one here? PulseAudio is selected in the options, I tried switching the input in the Sound settings applet, nothing helps. I'm about to ask #alsa or #pulseaudio, any other suggestion?
[21:37] <jstressman> decided to live dangerously... upgrading everything to gnome 3.10 as we speak.
[21:50] <ronj> fyi a PulseAudio update breaks the current Skype 4.2 in some way but there is a workaround: http://community.skype.com/t5/Linux/No-sound-or-crappy-sound-on-Kubuntu-13-10/td-p/1839659


[20:07] <Jewkonia> Hello Everybody
[20:07] <Jewkonia> My name is Jewkonia
[20:24] <Jewkonia> How can we better market Ubuntu to jews?
[20:24] <ikonia> !ops
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[20:24] <Jewkonia> What is it ikonia?
[22:20] <Linden940> what jewkonia was wrong..happy it was taken care of
[22:21] <Pici> Oh. I'm still here.
[22:21] <Pici> woosh!


 After an update xorg uses 10-15% cpu randomly.
[15:41] <Tarawa> hey
[23:42] <fossfreedom> mpmc, lol - remember to keep filing bug reports otherwise the devs will not be aware of these kind of issues.  cheers


[08:04] <studio-user070> Hi people
[08:04] <studio-user070> i would like somebody help me with guitarix...
[08:04] <studio-user070> it sounds digital and dark
[08:05] <studio-user070> i think is a routing ports problem
[08:05] <studio-user070> i use an scarlett solo
[08:05] <studio-user070> as a usb interface
[17:23] <skoppa> thanx
[21:09] <guysoft42> hey, does anyone know how to work with jack delay?
[21:36] <JackWinter1> guysoft42: jack_iodelay?
[21:37] <studio-user065> hello my dears
[21:39] <JackWinter1> guysoft42: i see, didn't know about jack_dealy, seems similar to jack_iodelay
[21:40] <JackWinter1> if so you need to connect a cable from an output to an input, and then run the program specifying the right ports
[21:41] <JackWinter1> then it ought to report the real roundtrip latency, not only the one given by samplerate/buffersize/period
[21:43] <studio-user065> I  I would like to make my Edirol Fa 66 firewire external sound board to be recognised by UbuntuStudio. Anyone can help me to do that, please?
[21:47] <guysoft42> JackWinter1, I got a little further since that message, i had a jack server stuck which didnt stop which was why qjackctl was not using the settings I gave it
[21:48] <guysoft42> JackWinter1, I got a little further since that message, i had a jack server stuck which didnt stop which was why qjackctl was not using the settings I gave it
[21:48] <guysoft42> JackWinter1, at the moment I have a diffrent problem, jack wont start
[21:48] <JackWinter1> what does it say?
[22:14] <guysoft42> now it says: playback and capture sample rates do not match (48000 vs. 24000)
[22:27] <OvenWerks> guysoft42: are you using the same device for each?
[22:30] <guysoft42> OvenWerks, yes, here is the full output: https://pastebin.com/E7AkxT7S
[22:32] <OvenWerks> It appears jack is not correctly installed. I would suggest using ubuntustudio-controls to do that (install if needed)
[22:33] <OvenWerks> Then maybe a killall -9 jackd jackdbus
[22:33] <OvenWerks>  then try again.
[22:34] <OvenWerks> Jackd appears to have been installed with the gnome sofware installer rather than synapic or apt.
[22:48] <studio-user256> Hi All,
[22:50] <studio-user256> I've been using Ubuntu Studio for about a year and would like to contribute in some way.  My day job involves a lot of technical writing and I have some experience in programming nothing too indepth.  Contribute page directed me here.  This might not be the right forum.  If not, can someone direct me?
[22:51] <OvenWerks> studio-user256: close enough.
[22:52] <OvenWerks>  There are only a very few of us... and mostly busy with real life so not much gets done.
[22:54] <OvenWerks> so any help at all would be welcome
[22:55] <studio-user256> Well you guys do well for a small group. Studio is a great distro.  I switched from Win10 and have not looked back.
[22:55] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: is our lead right now, but life has gotten the best of him these days.
[22:56] <studio-user256> Are there any low hanging fruit that I could pick at to learn the ropes? I am new to the community, to IRC, etc.
[22:57] <OvenWerks> There is also #ubuntustudio-devel where dev stuff sometimes happens.
[22:58] <studio-user256> Would love to be involved at that level but I am hobbyist programmer at best. Afraid I would need too much hand holding at the start to be of any value.
[22:58] <OvenWerks> I do not tink there are any of us much beyond that.
[22:59] <OvenWerks> Basically we take xubuntu (at this point) and set it up for audio and add applications that go there
[23:02] <OvenWerks> We worked off of the vanilla ubuntu at one time back when gnome2 was a thing. Audio stuff did not like unity when it came out (I hear it has gotten better) and now gnome3 gnome session is a thing. So we have been using xfce which is quite gnome2 like and uses less cpu resources
[23:04] <OvenWerks> Most of us got our start doing testing. But as we have just released and not started doing anything yet... there is not much to test.
[23:05] <OvenWerks>  Also look around for anything a bout Studio that bugs you and make changes.
[23:06] <studio-user256> Ok, will keep an eye on both channels and look for opportunities to participate.
[23:07] <studio-user256> Only issues I have with Studio is wifi interferes with Ardour but I think that is a hardware issue too many devices on same interrupt maybe? Computer boots up in Powersave but saw that this will be resolved in v17.1.
[23:11] <OvenWerks> There is a new version of ubuntustudio-controls that can set cpufreq settings
[23:11] <studio-user256> Thanks!
[23:11] <OvenWerks> I still need to do some more  work on it
[23:12] <OvenWerks> I prolly spend too much time working on Ardour...
[23:13] <studio-user256> What kind of work on Ardour? Recording or do you mean something else like configuring or programming?
[23:14] <OvenWerks> Most of the current OSC control code is mine these days
[23:15] <studio-user256> Cool what language do you code in?
[23:16] <OvenWerks> Ardour is c++, ubuntustudio-control is python
[23:16] <OvenWerks> I learned c off and on and Ardour was my learn to code c++ tool.
[23:17] <studio-user256> Impressive! I'd say mission accomplished. :)
[23:17] <guysoft42> ok, i figured out what is going on, if i set jack to playback only it works, if i set it to capture only it works, i fails on duplex
[23:19] <OvenWerks> guysoft42: qjackctl seems to set capture and playback separately.
[23:19] <OvenWerks> I do not know if this is just the way jackdbus works or not. I normally do:
[23:19] <OvenWerks> jack_control ds alsa dps capture none dps playback none
[23:20] <OvenWerks>  first to clear whatever is in those.
[23:21] <OvenWerks> That is, I never set the capture and playback devices separately, always just use device
[23:22] <OvenWerks> In the current version of qjackctl, that means not using the "Advanced" tab
[23:50] <guysoft42> OvenWerks, I figured out the commandline optoins
[23:51] <guysoft42> This work: /usr/bin/jackd -dalsa -Phw:0,0   -r48000 -p1024 -n2
[23:51] <guysoft42> This works: /usr/bin/jackd -dalsa -Chw:1,0   -r48000 -p1024 -n2
[23:51] <guysoft42> But  -dalsa -Chw:1,0 and   -Phw:0,0  fail
[23:52] <OvenWerks> guysoft42: That is two different devices so that makes sense
[23:52] <OvenWerks> hw:1 and hw:2 are not in sync
[23:53] <OvenWerks> The only time using cap and play as different devices works is something like hw:0,1 and hw:1,0 where they are really the same device and use the same clock.
[23:56] <OvenWerks> if you must use two devices... for example internal HDA for playback and a USB mic for input... set one of them up on jackd and use a bridge for the other. The two bridges are alsa_in/alsa_out and zita_ajbridge.
[23:56] <OvenWerks> The zita variant is better quality SRC and uses less CPU


[00:24] <Travis> Hello Kekai.  Thanks for the help yesterday.
[00:28] <Kekai> No problem
[00:29] <Travis> I still can't find out what my issue is.
[00:30] <Kekai> when I started 14.04 that was my issue
[00:30] <Kekai> but what i said fixed it
[00:30] <Kekai> it may lie deeper than that
[00:30] <Travis> It didn't fix it for me.
[00:30] <Travis> Whatever 12.10 doesn't have that 14.04 does, allows my laptop to function correctly.
[00:31] <Kekai> yeah but 12.10 is outdated and no longer get updates
[00:32] <Travis> I wish I knew how to fix it.  I can't seem to figure it out.  Disabling Light Locker & installing xscreensaver doesn't work.
[00:34] <Travis> Do I need to head to the development channel for this issue?
[02:46] <Jehde> Hahaha you can you use firefox while installing this, awesome
[02:47] <Kekai> reason I love Xubuntu
[02:48] <Kekai> you can do fun stuff even when installing it
[02:48] <Kekai> so check your mail and stuff
[07:27] <scipy53> when i run uname -r and get "3.13.0-29-generic", what exactly does that mean. The 0-29 generic part, anyway.
[07:36] <ObrienDave> it's a sub-build, i think. i'm running the same kernel
[09:06] <gry> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1313728?comments=all > Can you also open xfce4-settings-editor and right click on xfce4-desktop and select the monitor option
[09:06] <gry> how do I 'select the monitor option'?
[09:21] <xubuntu708> hello..i m having ubuntu, and want to install xubuntu-desktop, only gui but in offline mode
[09:40] <gry> hello
[09:40] <bazhang> !aptoncd
[09:41] <gry> he did quit but that information is new so thanks
[10:32] <gry> i mean someone please tell me what to install or uninstall
[10:32] <gry> i keep experiencing this issue
[10:32] <gry> i cant give them the information they requested
[10:41] <ochosi> gry: did you open the xfce4-settings-editor?
[10:41] <gry> yes
[10:41] <gry> i found that pane
[10:41] <gry> i dont see how to 'select the monitor option' in there
[10:42] <gry> oh, right click
[10:42] <gry> seriously, i need more sleep
[10:42] <gry> i read that line around 20 times and only then realised that
[10:43] <gry> ok, nothing new in there, so i will comment on that bug with this detail
[10:44] <adm001> hey all
[10:44] <adm001> can someone gimme a heads out with a fresh xubuntu install?
[10:45] <ObrienDave> so, why do you need ia32?
[10:47] <ochosi> !ask | adm001
[10:58] <gry> perfect, I left a comment there :)
[12:05] <akis> hi all. is there any option to mount a usb or sd card device after i unmount them, without plug them out and plug in again?
[12:21] <ObrienDave> not that i know of
[12:21] <ObrienDave> note to self, SELF, check if asker is still online before replying ;P
[13:43] <might_get_loud> guys, i have major problem
[13:43] <might_get_loud> my terminal wont run
[13:43] <might_get_loud> i can run root shell from recovery mode
[13:43] <might_get_loud> but inside xfce
[13:44] <might_get_loud> terminator nor xfce-emulator wont run
[13:44] <might_get_loud> i tried runing htop but it was error msg saying invalid input/output
[13:44] <might_get_loud> any ideas?
[17:29] <Eeinn> Hello, I have a bit of a stupid question. My fonts looks really really nice on Xubuntu, but my conky background fonts look crappy in comparison. Any place I can start to look?
[17:34] <Mooneye> Hello. Recently I added "include /usr/local/lib" to /etc/ld.so.conf because certain shared libraries weren't being loaded when I ran a C++ application of mine. This seems to have fixed the problem, but I'm curious as to why /usr/local/lib wasn't on the load path by default. Any insight about this? Also, is my fix safe?
[17:35] <Mooneye> Thanks in advance!
[17:52] <allegra_> hey! whats the best way to make a xubuntu live usb on osx?
[17:52] <wrongplace> i need to edit a pdf file to print 2 pages per page side (so I spent half of the money). What linux or xubuntu app will do that?
[18:00] <allegra_> editing pdf files can be complex
[18:00] <holstein> allegra_: "best" will always be a matter of opinion and usecase,but you can dd copy the iso to a USB stick using osx, or unetbooting
[18:00] <holstein> unetbootin*
[18:00] <allegra_> thanks holstein
[18:00] <allegra_> i will remember that
[18:00] <allegra_> a friend just found an old blank dvd :P
[18:01] <holstein> probably easiest to boot on the mac..
[18:02] <allegra_> and on the old computer we found in the attic!
[18:02] <holstein> plop will let you boot USB on legacy hardware..
[19:05] <kRush> mhm, why is switch user from the panel user button greyed out in 14.04?
[19:11] <brainwash> kRush: it requires gmdflexiserver, but this little script isn't provided by lightdm anymore
[19:11] <brainwash> the wiskermenu can also display a switch user button
[19:12] <brainwash> on top of that, the action is configurable
[19:19] <kRush> uhh, wiskermenu?
[19:26] <kRush> oh I see, I still have the old menu from 13.10
[19:33] <xubuntu407> HIa
[19:37] <xubuntu407> I'm a young Lech Carry Shi concludes ask me (Event Error loading archive)
[19:39] <xubuntu407> Please reply
[19:39] <xubuntu407> I'm a young Lech Carry Shi concludes ask me (Event Error loading archive)
[19:41] <genii> xubuntu407: This is the Xubuntu support channel. Do you have some issue with your Xubuntu that you require assistance with?
[19:41] <xubuntu407> HIa
[19:41] <xubuntu407> I'm a young Lech Carry Shi concludes ask me (Event Error loading archive)
[19:41] <xubuntu407> Please reply
[19:44] <xubuntu407> Is there a single answer to my question
[19:44] <elfy> xubuntu407: at the moment no-one understands the question
[19:44] <Unit193> xubuntu407: Please elaborate on what your problem is, or we won't be able to help.  You never asked a question
[19:44] <genii> xubuntu407: Your question makes no sense to us
[19:45] <Unit193> !sa | xubuntu407
[19:45] <xubuntu407> هلا
[19:51] <xubuntu407> My problem is, my friends, I, I did not carry the program and ends with the download and open the program say the program (error occurred while loading Alohev)
[19:52] <xubuntu407> Please reply
[19:52] <holstein> xubuntu407: i do not understand your question
[19:54] <xubuntu407> Director overseeing what I have revealed how????
[19:54] <xubuntu407> Please reply
[19:56] <xubuntu407> Is there a single answer to my question
[19:56] <xubuntu407> Director overseeing what I have revealed how????
[19:56] <xubuntu407> Please reply
[19:56] <elfy> we can't - there is no question to reply to
[19:56] <elfy> xubuntu407: what language do you normally speak
[19:58] <onr> just upgraded to xubuntu 14.04 and i must say it's very well done
[19:59] <xubuntu407> I speak the language of Saudi Arabia and I know English Kulailn
[19:59] <xubuntu407> I speak the language of Saudi Arabia and I know English Kulailn
[19:59] <holstein> xubuntu407: ok.. have you tried the channel that was suggested?
[19:59] <holstein> !sa
[20:00] <holstein> xubuntu407: i do not understand what you are asking
[20:01] <xubuntu407> I am my problem I do not appreciate Carry programs
[20:01] <xubuntu407> I am my problem I do not appreciate Carry programs
[20:01] <genii> xubuntu407: For best chance at help, you should travel to the #ubuntu-sa
[20:03] <xubuntu407> Abe, I ask you you're Muslim
[20:03] <xubuntu407> Abe, I ask you you're Muslim
[20:05] <xubuntu407> stop
[20:05] <xubuntu407> biaa
[20:09] <deshipu> !ot | xubuntu407


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