[01:07] <balsaq> my sound stopped working recently
[01:09] <BUGabundo> balsaq: is it muted
[01:09] <BUGabundo> ?
[01:09] <balsaq> BUGabundo, no lol
[01:10] <BUGabundo> just asking
[01:10] <BUGabundo> used to happen a lot in 9.x
[01:10] <balsaq> really?
[01:11] <balsaq> i'm using the xubuntu alpha
[01:12] <BUGabundo> upgrade or clean install?
[01:28] <balsaq> still no sound
[01:28] <balsaq> how could clean install help?
[01:28] <balsaq> wouldn't that bring me back to the same updates?
[01:29] <balsaq> hope my last name doesn't offend anyone
[01:30] <BUGabundo> no
[01:30] <BUGabundo> clean install is the last resort
[01:30] <balsaq> there's other things i can try?
[01:34] <BUGabundo> you should talk to crimsun
[01:34] <BUGabundo> he is the guy behind audio
[01:44] <switchgirl> hi when i click on a link in a java chat aplet the java applet crashes and the window looses my log in details
[01:46] <bjorkintosh> switchgirl, are you using icedtea?
[01:46] <bjorkintosh> or the latest jre from oracle?
[01:46] <switchgirl> icedtea?
[01:47] <bjorkintosh> sure.
[01:47] <bjorkintosh> about:plugins
[01:47] <bjorkintosh> in firefox.
[01:47] <bjorkintosh> it should tell you which java you've installed, i think.
[01:47] <balsaq> is crimsun here?
[01:48] <switchgirl> IcedTea NPR Web Browser Plugin (using IcedTea6 1.7 (6b17-1.7-1ubuntu1))
[01:51] <bjorkintosh> switchgirl, you might want to replace that with the real jre from sun/oracle.
[01:51] <yofel> bjorkintosh: the sun jre isn't available any more in lucid
[01:52] <bjorkintosh> but but ... why?
[01:52] <yofel> don't know, it got removed a while ago
[01:52] <balsaq> my sound stopped working recently, don't know why
[01:53] <bjorkintosh> balsaq, cause you're using lucid lynx.
[01:53] <switchgirl> pardon balsaq
[01:53] <switchgirl> lol
[01:53] <bjorkintosh> it might also be your settings...
[01:53] <balsaq> i didn't change anything
[01:53] <bjorkintosh> that's fine, but lucid is always changing.
[01:53] <bjorkintosh> regularly.
[01:53] <bjorkintosh> hourly, infact.
[01:53] <switchgirl> sound works balsaq but no applet available
[01:53] <balsaq> updates that often? lol
[01:53] <balsaq> applet is available in the top right
[01:54] <bjorkintosh> from different parties, yeah.
[01:54] <switchgirl> not for me
[01:54] <bjorkintosh> switchgirl, you can still sneak in sun java.
[01:56] <switchgirl> i'll sleep first
[01:56] <switchgirl> :)
[02:06] <mrmcq2u> Is anyone else having issues with gfx atm?
[02:06] <mrmcq2u> conflicts on startup?
[02:09] <bjorkintosh> sleep?
[02:09] <bjorkintosh> is that a function of some sort?
[02:10] <balsaq> hey crimsun you're the sound master here?
[02:20] <balsaq> maybe not
[02:23] <bjorkintosh> balsaq, is it reporting any errors in particular?
[02:26] <balsaq> bjorkintosh, no, just no sound from the speakers
[02:26] <bjorkintosh> is everything up and unmuted?
[02:43] <balsaq> bjorkintosh, nothing is muted
[02:43] <balsaq> sorry for the delay, had my phone ringin
[02:56] <balsaq> any ideas?
[03:35] <bjorkintosh> balsaq, look for errrors.
[03:38] <Tronic> After upgrade I get the login screen, but with some garbage displayed on it (black rectangles with white points, they look like miniatyre text consoles).
[03:38] <Tronic> As soon as I click my username, the X goes unresponsive, mouse stops moving, etc.
[03:38] <Tronic> I'm using nvidia-current (190) drivers.
[03:40] <kklimonda> there are some weird bugs currently
[03:45] <rww> whee, Xorg failed to start
[03:49] <balsaq> bjorkintosh, how do i look for errors?
[03:51] <bjorkintosh> dmesg might state some.
[03:53] <ZykoticK9> balsaq, if you Right Click volume and open Sound Preferences, do you have devices listed on the Hardware tab?
[03:55] <balsaq> bjorkintosh, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/369283/
[03:56] <balsaq> realtec playback and 2 captures
[03:56] <balsaq> using xubuntu here
[03:59] <ZykoticK9> balsaq, a question then, is xubuntu 10.04 using Pulse or just straight ALSA still?
[04:00] <balsaq> oss mixer
[04:00] <balsaq> ZykoticK9, oss mixer
[04:00] <kklimonda> ZykoticK9, still? we have switched over to pulse in 8.04 afair
[04:00] <kklimonda> oh, xubuntu
[04:00] <kklimonda> argh, time to get some sleep
[04:01] <kklimonda> good night
[04:01] <bjorkintosh> i use pulse in xubuntu.
[04:01] <balsaq> is oss bad? lol
[04:02] <balsaq> maybe i should install pulse?
[04:02] <ZykoticK9> balsaq, i wouldn't wish pulse on my worst enemy (although in 10.04 it's MUCH better)
[04:02] <balsaq> whats bad about it ZykoticK9 ?
[04:03] <ZykoticK9> balsaq, nothing is "bad" about it - it just has a great many issues for a great many people (for me Game audio in 9.10 made games unplayable)
[04:03] <rww> yay, latest batch of updates unbroke xorg
[04:04] <balsaq> ZykoticK9, you use your computer for game? i use my ps3 :)
[04:05] <balsaq> did that pastebin make any sense?
[04:05] <rww> ... ah, I spoke too soon. It broke again :D
[04:05] <bjorkintosh> balsaq, i didn't see any errors.
[04:05] <bjorkintosh> balsaq, did it suddenly stop working or something?
[04:06] <balsaq> i just noticed it 2 days ago
[04:06] <bjorkintosh> replace OSS with pulse then and see what it thinks.
[04:07] <balsaq> wow that fixed it! thanks man
[04:07] <balsaq> worked right away!
[04:08] <bjorkintosh> you're welcome.
[04:10] <balsaq> i wonder why oss is default?
[04:19] <ripps> I'm trying to install groundcontrol from the ppa, but apparently it depends on python-lazr-restfulclient and python-lazr-uri which aren't in the Lucid repos
[04:47] <SomeoneE1se> I've just 'upgraded' to lucid, and I'm trying to edit X11/xorg.conf however it would seem that file doesn't exist.  Has it moved or am I just riding the shortbus today?
[04:47] <ZykoticK9> SomeoneE1se, there is no default xorg.conf file in Karmic or Lucid
[04:48] <ZykoticK9> SomeoneE1se, if you're using nvidia you can use "sudo nvidia-xconfig" to generate one, if your using another gfx card then it's something else
[05:01] <rww> sudo Xorg -configure will generate one
[05:02] <ZykoticK9> rww, inorder for that to work i believe that GDM/Xorg must NOT be running, just an FYI - not sure who asked about it
[05:02] <rww> correct
[06:10] <om26er> my keyboard and touchpad hangs if i do some keyboard activity just after reboot. although alt+prntscr+k works
[06:11] <om26er> this started yesterday
[06:21] <booboo> hey guys,,under /syterm/preferences/appearance . there used to be an "interface" tab to "Show icons in menus"   not there now...is there another way to do this?
[06:28] <ZykoticK9> booboo, not a total fix but: gconf-editor -- Desktop / Gnome / Interface - check "menus_have_icons"
[06:28] <booboo> ok thanks let me try that
[06:29] <booboo> ok that worked fine thanks:)
[06:29] <booboo> ZykoticK9,  what about nvidia.... is this planned to work soon?
[06:30] <ZykoticK9> booboo, my nvidia is working fine - compiz and everything!
[06:30] <booboo> mmm  nothing here no drivers under hardware drivers
[06:30] <ZykoticK9> booboo, are you sure you have an nvidia card?
[06:31] <booboo> :)  yep
[06:31] <ZykoticK9> booboo, since install 10.04 have you ever had nvidia listed?
[06:31] <booboo> nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600 GT] (rev a2)
[06:31] <booboo> ZykoticK9,  yes just did a new install  but nothing is showing up
[06:32] <booboo> will try a manual install
[06:32] <ZykoticK9> booboo, FYI you "should" be seeing 3 nvidia drivers in there
[06:33] <booboo> ZykoticK9,  right  I know but for some reason none are showing up  but let me try the manual install and see what happens....this is just a test m achine  so I am not concerned at all :)
[06:34] <ZykoticK9> booboo, see directions in release notes at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha2 under heading "Known Issues" near the bottom, starting with "Jockey (Ubuntu's restricted..."
[06:34] <booboo> ok looking now
[06:51] <DanaG> http://epicwinftw.com/2010/01/27/epic-win-photos-windows-now-for-your-house/
[06:51] <DanaG> heh, imagine an ubuntu variant of that.
[07:01] <vish> anyone knows how to correct this , previously with sun-java , i used to launch an app using this >   /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-<IP_ADDRESS>/bin/javaws -localfile /home/vish/.java/deployment/cache/6.0/42/63426a6a-2ddaaf6c
[07:01] <vish> now that sun-java is gone, what should i replace the "/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-<IP_ADDRESS>/bin/javaws" with ?
[07:20] <vish> nvm , got it
[07:21] <ZykoticK9> vish, /usr/bin/javaws ?
[07:21] <vish> ZykoticK9: i had to install -jre :s
[07:22] <ZykoticK9> vish, what did you install specifically?  if you don't mind me asking?
[07:22] <vish> previously the javaws file wasnt there , hence i was stumped :s
[07:22] <vish> ZykoticK9: i had to install openjdk-6-jre
[07:23] <ZykoticK9> vish, thanks, is that the closest thing to sun-java in the repo i take it?
[07:23] <vish> yeah
[07:24] <ZykoticK9> vish, do you happen to know, is the Sun Java removal on Lucid permanent?  or is this just a temporary thing?
[07:25] <vish> ZykoticK9: i'm not entirely sure why it was removed... but it seems to be more , no one has packaged it for Lucid , and might not in time for Lucid.. or something .. not very sure
[07:25] <ZykoticK9> vish, thanks, i was AMAZED it was removed
[07:32] <vish> ZykoticK9: np.. but stuff seems working fine with open-jdk too.. [maybe the fonts are a bit off ] but not bad , nothing to fear ;)
[07:34] <ZykoticK9> vish, someone in #ubuntu was just informed of Sun Java removal and asking WHY as well.
[08:01] <rtgz> Hi, upon shutdown terminal says that plymouth was killed by SEGV signal right after system bus is disconnected. Acer Aspire One, Lucid Lynx latest - is it known problem?
[08:02] <rtgz> though it is not really that big problem, given that the system is going to halt in 2 seconds...
[08:49] <as1965> rtgz: Whether it is known - check launchpad. If it isn't, perhaps gather details and log. It's perhaps the sort of thing that will get fixed in an update.
[09:00] <zniavre> !grub-pc
[09:00] <zniavre> !grub2
[09:03] <zniavre> thank you ubottu
[10:19] <indus> hi
[10:20] <indus> hi
[10:20] <indus> nayone here
[10:54] <alkisg> Jockey gives me an error with nvidia-current, here's the log: http://alkisg.pastebin.com/d67342f8e
[10:55] <alkisg> nvidia-current is already installed but not "activated", what's the manual way to activate it? Create a xorg.conf with `driver "nvidia"` in it?
[11:09] <zniavre> sudo nvidia-xconfig ?
[11:10] <indus> anyone testing the x proprietary drivers?
[11:11] <indus> ATI i mean
[11:16] <indus> ziroday, hi
[11:16] <indus> you there?
[11:38] <BUGabundo> \0 morninguetto
[11:46] <alkisg> zniavre: using nvidia-xconfig did create a xorg.conf and now I'm using them, but that didn't "activate" the drivers - jockey still prompts me to activate the current drivers..
[11:54] <indus> anyone testing the ati fglrx driver
[12:08] <maxb> OK, that was freaky.  I notice it too ,
[12:50] <vish> zniavre: for me its 3-4px
[12:50] <zniavre> it's quite a lot
[12:50] <zniavre> indus,  i did not try fglrx .
[12:51] <vish> zniavre: yeah, the border initially doesnt form but when you rename any file on the desktop it starts , sometimes it starts due to something else too :s
[12:51] <indus> vish, vishnu is it
[12:52] <indus> this room is too silent, maybe busy after some hours
[12:54] <vish> indus: why do you want fglrx? the free drivers work good enough here
[12:54] <indus> the free drivers wont play any games thats why
[12:54] <zniavre> http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/4636/capturecx.png
[12:56] <vish> meh , who has time for games ;p
[12:56] <indus> well, why not?
[12:56] <indus> whats meh btw
[12:56] <vish> zniavre: same here , the color depends on your background color
[12:58] <indus> the fglrx driver doesnt support the current xorg version
[12:59] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:01] <indus> hi
[13:04] <indus> bye from this room
[13:04] <siegie> X doesn't start with nvidia-glx-current, only with nvidia-glx-173, is this a know issue. I'm using a nvidia quadro nvs140. It's still supported by the latests nvidia driver.
[13:35] <FiremanEd> I see rhythmbox went AWOL in the last update.
[13:40] <zniavre> awol ?
[13:41] <FiremanEd> absent without leave, removed.
[13:41] <BluesKaj> !medibuntu
[13:49] <dinobisk> Hi. With Grub, how do I get into Recovery Mode? (Or is there some other way?) Neither Shift nor Esc works. I'm on a MacBook 1sg generation, single boot. I have a Live CD.
[13:51] <BluesKaj> dinobisk, use the arrow keys to navigate
[13:53] <dinobisk> BluesKaj: Navigate? There is no menu. It says "GRUB" and nothing about an esc-key, and then Ubuntu boots (and fails).
[13:56] <BluesKaj> so you have no menu , sorry ..can you get to a tty  prompt , al+ctrl+f1 ?
[13:57] <BluesKaj> err , alt+ctrl+F1
[13:58] <BluesKaj> dinobisk, ?
[13:58] <rtgz> dinobisk, hold shift during boot for grub2 menu
[13:59] <dinobisk> I'll have to reboot this computer and try. Could perhaps an Apple keyboard cause any problems. I had to remap it in Ubuntu.
[13:59] <dinobisk> rtgz: I doesn't work.
[13:59] <zniavre> rtgz,  is it enough to make menu grub appears?
[14:00] <rtgz> dinobisk, hm, i hate this solution, but try to press it several times during boot, it looks like the controller might ignore the press state of the key
[14:00] <BluesKaj> dinobisk, if alt+ctrl+F1 gets you to a prompt then do , sudo update-grub
[14:02] <rtgz> dinobisk, better yet, reboot the machine and hold shift right after the initial post completes. Unfortunately no apple hardware here, so i am just assuming that there is some kind of 'welcome screen' or post, etc.
[14:02] <rtgz> zniavre, yes, it is the only way to bring grub2 menu as far as I know
[14:03] <zniavre> ok im taking notes thank you
[14:03] <dinobisk> rtgz: I've tried both holding an continuing pressing the shift key from the moment the computer starts up. It doesn't help.
[14:05] <dinobisk> But while I'm here: Perhaps someone knows another solution: When I boot Ubuntu, i get a black screen (correct resolution), a bongo drums sound, the possibility to move the mouse pointer, and the possibility to write using the keyboard (but with some strange mapping), not in a console-like thing, though.
[14:06] <dinobisk> It worked flawless until I booted it today. Probably some update messed up.
[14:07] <dinobisk> *flawlessly
[14:08] <BluesKaj> dinobisk, so no shell prompt (tty) is available ?
[14:09] <dinobisk> BluesKaj: No.
[14:09] <gnubie> I'm guessing that during my last update I should have checked more than the /dev/sda box on the grub install checklist.
[14:10] <dinobisk> Could the Live DVD help me here?
[14:10] <BluesKaj> I haven't tried it but using the live cd to repair grub is possible , there are some tutorials
[14:13] <gnubie> my linux and linux recovery from the grub menu now freeze my pc, while the memtest and windows2000 still work.
[14:13] <dinobisk> Well, thanks anyway. I'll try to reboot now with a more PC-like keyboard, pressing shift and esc and alt+ctr+f1. If it doesn't work I'll be back.
[14:13] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:16] <JimLovell777> I've tried installing Alpha 1 and 2 on a desktop Dell PC I have and both failed. Both times I tried the x86 alternate install cd. I get asked the keyboard language and then the install starts loading files when after a few moments the screen goes black and text starts scrolling by rapidly. How can/do I capture the information that is usefull to developers?
[14:17] <rtgz> JimLovell777, do you have a camera? I suppose you have the text scrolling infinitely, right?
[14:18] <charlie-tca> JimLovell777: you could try the debugging procedures, they give some information about capturing logs, etc for bug reports:
[14:18] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[14:19] <JimLovell777> rtgz: it stops I can read the last dozen or so lines.
[14:20] <JimLovell777> The last line is syscal0x7/0xb
[14:22] <JimLovell777> charlie-tca: A quick browse shows I'd need to get far enough to write the logs to a USB drive. I don't get that far that I can tell
[14:24] <JimLovell777> rtgz: Where or to whom do I submit the pictures?
[14:27] <BluesKaj> JimLovell777, have you considered installing Karmic first , the upgrading from there >
[14:28] <BluesKaj> then
[14:29] <JimLovell777> BluesKaj: Karmic fails also. I figured since the installer fails I might as well try the alpha release, I didn't have a thing to lose.  It's not a computer I use often, I use it as more of a home server.
[14:30] <BluesKaj> JimLovell777, that's odd ...is the pc older than 5 yrs ?
[14:31] <JimLovell777> BluesKaj: Yes. The only version of Ubuntu that hasn't failed to install yet was 8.04 but like I said i don't use it a lot so I like to experiment with it. I also hope it is one day supported out of the box.
[14:32] <JimLovell777> ...again.
[14:32] <charlie-tca> JimLovell777: have you tried that system using safe graphics mode?
[14:33] <JimLovell777> charlie-tca: Not with Lucid, I'll try that now. Every previous version (-8.04) halted with a kernel panic.
[14:36] <BluesKaj> isn't 8.04 LTS ? , if so a do release upgrade from 8.04 might work
[14:36] <dinobisk> Several Internet pages say this: In live CD terminal type sudo grub, root (hd0,?), setup (hd0), quit. Does this actually _reinstall_ grub, or does is reconfigure it the way it probably is already?
[14:37] <JimLovell777> charlie-tca: Didn't work, same thing.
[14:38] <JimLovell777> BluesKaj: That has worked once before. I'm sure that's what I'll end up doing. My system is kluttered with stuff so I wanted to start fresh. Knowing my computer has never played well I thought it might be worth trying to help if it may lead to resolving the issue for me as well as others.
[15:02] <liituri> hello, can anyone help me with the latest release of ubuntu and the problem that no music player makes sound
[15:16] <siegie> My pc crashes everytime i press enter in gdm. When i use the mouse for selecting the user etc, i have no problem.
[15:18] <Nafai> siegie: What video card do you have?
[15:18] <Nafai> intel?
[15:18] <Nafai> nvidia?
[15:18] <siegie> nvidia
[15:18] <Nafai> I had that problem the other day
[15:18] <siegie> nvidia quadro nvs140 with 190 driver
[15:18] <Nafai> I heard one solution is to remove the plymouth package for now
[15:19] <Nafai> I'm not sure what I did to fix it, because I am using the 190 driver too
[15:19] <siegie> Nafai: makes sense, i can remember something simular with usplash
[15:19] <Nafai> I thought I downgraded, but I just checked and I'm still using 190
[15:21] <siegie> I'm just using the 190 driver, because I had some trouble enabling it. After a while i discoverd that is was blacklisted somewhere. :)
[15:22] <siegie> I've also done some updates so, i didn't know whitch caused it.
[15:24] <siegie> Nafai: anyway thanks for the hint, I'm going to try it out.
[15:29] <billybigrigger> which driver do i specify in xorg.conf to use vdpau? i have nvidia-current installed
[15:30] <billybigrigger> so would it be "nv"???
[15:30] <billybigrigger> i tried that open-source nouveu driver and vdpau doesn't work with it, so i want to go back to 3d acelleration
[15:32] <BluesKaj> these new "bongo drum sounds"  are terribly annoying and the sys settings notifications doesn't prevent them ...any ideas other then turning the audio of altogether?
[15:33] <BluesKaj> billybigrigger, have you tried the nvidia-current driver?
[15:33] <billybigrigger> yeah
[15:33] <billybigrigger> i installed that
[15:33] <billybigrigger> but it's still not using an nvidia driver
[15:34] <BluesKaj> it should use the 190.53 driver if your card is less then 4 yrs old or so
[15:35] <BluesKaj> ppl are forgetting to remove the old driver first, after shutting X down in the tty and then installing the new one from there as well
[15:35] <ZykoticK9> billybigrigger, i just use the Hardware Driver to enable nvidia - BUT have the tried the method outlined in the Alpha 2 release notes?  it in the Known Issues section starting with "Jock (Ubuntu's restriced..." close to the bottom.
[15:35] <BluesKaj> new one = nvidia-current
[15:35] <ZykoticK9> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha2
[15:37] <ZykoticK9> billybigrigger, and in order to use vdpau the drive is going to have to say "nvidia" in your Xorg
[15:40] <afd_> What about this error? http://dpaste.com/155000/ Is it a versioning bug in the python-kde4 package?
[15:41] <alex_mayorga> Is archive.ubuntu.com slow today or is it my connection?
[15:41] <billybigrigger> archive is slow
[15:41] <ZykoticK9> afd_, you should probably file a bug (if there isn't one already)
[15:42] <afd_> ZykoticK9: what's the URL where I should file thte bug?
[15:42] <alex_mayorga> billybigrigger: thanks on confirming
[15:43] <BluesKaj> afd_, do you use synaptic ? if so, go to edit , fix broken packages, apply
[15:43] <ZykoticK9> afd_, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for details but you usually use the command "ubuntu-bug $PACKAGENAME"
[15:43] <afd_> BluesKaj: I don't have broken packages
[15:43] <billybigrigger> afd_, by your pastebin i'd say you dfo
[15:43] <billybigrigger> do
[15:43] <alex_mayorga> BluesKaj, for the bongos System>Pref>Sound sound theme = no sounds should do
[15:43] <afd_> billybigrigger: really, I don't
[15:44] <BluesKaj> afd_, really? your paste show that you do
[15:44] <afd_> there's nothing under the Status > Broken tab (the Broken is not there)
[15:44] <ZykoticK9> "unmet dependencies" != "broken packages"
[15:44] <BluesKaj> alex_mayorga, I'm on kde , sry , forgot to mention that
[15:45] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, how's thing btw
[15:45] <billybigrigger> things
[15:45] <BluesKaj> good billybigrigger , how about you ?
[15:45] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, enjoying winter? :P
[15:45] <billybigrigger> loving the weather over here that's for sure, just got out of the boonies for a month and weather here in calgary is amazing
[15:46] <BluesKaj> it's beem pretty boring weatherwise ....very little snow in the last 5 weeks , normal temps
[15:46] <billybigrigger> -13c this morning, we hit -5 yesterday
[15:46] <billybigrigger> those are not normal temps for feb. here :P hehe
[15:46] <BluesKaj> yeah, about the same here
[15:50] <BluesKaj> afd_, make sure you have all the repos enabled in your source.list
[15:50] <BluesKaj> err sources.list
[15:50] <ZykoticK9> BluesKaj, the packages are too NEW in afd_'s issue
[15:51] <afd_> ZykoticK9: yeah, the version of KDE I had (4.3.95) was really broken (I couldn't add a plasma widget without plasma-desktop breaking)
[15:51] <afd_> So when there was an update today I've updated all the packages
[15:52] <afd_> it removed some when I hit update
[15:52] <afd_> and now the KDE session is not available in GDM, as the kdebase-workspace packages are gone
[15:53] <ZykoticK9> afd_, personally i haven't used KDE in 5-6+ years - i usually pull in all the KDE libs to install K3b, but have decided that I'm going to give it up (although I feel it's the best burning app available, the KDE libs are so big they don't justify 1 program)
[15:55] <BluesKaj> ZykoticK9,I doubt the packages aren't too new , I'll bet the sources.list isn't up to date
[15:55] <BluesKaj> err are too new
[15:55] <ZykoticK9> BluesKaj, don't you hate double-negative typos ;)
[15:56] <BluesKaj>  i won't the holew any deeper ...you know what i mean :)
[15:56] <afd_> BluesKaj: the sources.list is up to date
[15:56] <afd_> http://dpaste.com/155010/
[15:57] <zniavre> wich player is supposed to replace rhythmbox ?
[15:57] <afd_> the last PPA has no packages, I've added it hoping it will solve my problem
[15:57] <luis_lopez> afd_, I can confirm your bug
[15:57] <afd_> luis_lopez: cool, so it's not just me
[15:57] <luis_lopez> afd_ in my case I had to install lxde for the moment... :(
[15:57] <ZykoticK9> afd_, luis_lopez you both "should" file bugs!
[15:58] <luis_lopez> ZykoticK9: will do
[15:58] <afd_> luis_lopez: I'm counting on you, I'm not gonna install apport (it install zope.interface and I do Zope development, that's a sure case for conflicts)
[15:59] <dinobisk> Hi. I need to boot into shell (X does not work). Problem is, I cannot press shift or esc or any combination in Grub, and I am really tired of trying to fix it. Does sonemone have any idea?
[15:59] <ZykoticK9> dinobisk, holding shift "should" give you the boot choices
[16:01] <dinobisk> ZykoticK9: It does not. I have reinstalled Grub with the Live CD two times, the last time after running apt-get update. It has not fixed anything, and I really want to try something else now.
[16:02] <ZykoticK9> dinobisk, you could boot live cd and chroot into your system?
[16:03] <dinobisk> ZykoticK9: Could you tell me how. I am really tired of googling. (Sorry.)
[16:04] <dinobisk> ... so tired I forget to write question marks.
[16:04] <dinobisk> ... an using correct English.
[16:05] <ZykoticK9> dinobisk, this gives direction for the chroot https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover Grub 2 via LiveCD (not sure if you'll be able to use that as a link, but check the "Revocer Grub 2 via LiveCD" for info, obviously leave out anything that is directly related to Grub fixing - you just need the chroot stuff)
[16:12] <dinobisk> ZykoticK9: Thanks!
[16:16] <Peace-> here there is a problem with my damned alc861-vd audio card
[16:16] <Peace-> on karmic everything is ok
[16:16] <Peace-> now on lucid mic controll there is not
[16:16] <Peace-> even with alsamixer -V all
[16:16] <Peace-> i have boost
[16:16] <Peace-> voulme controll
[16:16] <Peace-> but mic there is not
[16:18] <mahasamoot> if I want to use btrfs, am I better off installing 9.10 or 10.4?
[16:19] <mahasamoot> ... there's a howto that tells how to get btrfs working on 9.10
[16:19] <ZykoticK9> mahasamoot, i have no idea if it run in 10.04 or not - i hope you pay special attention to the top of there page "Btrfs is under heavy development, and is not suitable for any uses other than benchmarking and review"
[16:21] <mahasamoot> that's true... it's a little scarry, but I've also read that it's about to ready for early users... as of 2.6.32 and 10.4 uses 2.6.32
[16:23] <dinobisk> When booting, I get a blank screen instead of the login screen.  Having chroot-ed from the Live CD, does anybody know to fix it?
[16:23] <dinobisk> .. oh, and the screen resolution is right.
[16:25] <mahasamoot> how bad is the stabilty of 10.4?
[16:26] <mahasamoot> ...works well most of the time, ... cross your fingers?
[16:27] <BluesKaj> mahasamoot, I was getting some annoyed for a while aith all the crashing of dirs and some apps , but now it seems better ..let's hope it lasts :)
[16:27] <BluesKaj> aith = with
[16:29] <mahasamoot> dirs?
[16:29] <kklimonda> do we still state that "256MB ram is enough to run ubuntu once it's installed"?
[16:29] <ZykoticK9> kklimonda, "not well" ;)
[16:30] <JoshuaL> maybe xubuntu?
[16:30] <kklimonda> just got rants on ubuntu-desktop ML how unusable GNOME is on 256 ram..
[16:31] <kklimonda> and I have to agree but I was pretty sure reqs were raised at some point..
[16:31] <kklimonda> can't find it now anywhere though..
[16:37] <Peace-> i use kde 3.5.10 in a 350mhz with 256mb of ram
[16:37] <Peace-> and it's fine
[16:57] <luis_lopez> afd_ : the issue we are experiencing is due to the fact that kdebindings failed to  build for amd64 -> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/kdebindings/4:4.3.98-0ubuntu1
[16:58] <luis_lopez> afd_: additional info here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebindings/4:4.3.98-0ubuntu1/+build/1481066
[17:57] <CosmiChaos> woot? is the new preempt kernel that runs on  preemption kernels the same than previous realtime-preemption kernels?
[18:20] <seren__> hi there
[18:21] <seren__> is nepomuk supposed to work on lucid at the moment ?
[18:21] <seren__> cause I got an index but it is impossible to search anything
[18:21] <seren__> either through krunner or dolphin
[18:21] <seren__> is thre anyway to reinitialize nepomuk ?
[19:15] <unknown_> hi, is it possible somehow to install Ubuntu 10.04 on fake Raid 5 ? I was fighting with 9.10 with no result, and wonder if 10.04 is worth of try..
[19:16] <unknown_> to be clear, I'm able to install it, but not able to boot
[19:18] <genii> There are technical problems with booting from a software raid5 which cannot be easily overcome. The main one of which, is the lack of an mbr which can span multiple disks
[19:22] <unknown_> genii: do you think it will be possible to put one more hdd just for grub ?
[19:22] <genii> unknown_: Basically what you need is some single disk which allows to install a bootloader onto it's mbr, with a small partition which contains /boot  and from there load into your raid5 for /
[19:26] <unknown_> thx genii, i'll try also your suggestion using pendrive as boot device
[19:40] <unknown_> genii: what you think also about installing grub not in MBR but on partition with linux, and use for ex. win$ loader to boot linux ?
[19:42] <genii> unknown_: Basically the idea is... you need some working bootstrap on another drive(s) (raid1 works for instance) then in the grub.cfg or menu.lst in there, you specify the UUID of your raid5 as the root partition
[19:43] <genii> unknown_: It can even be a floppy disk to boot from
[19:43] <unknown_> thank you again genii, i'll try to do this somehow
[21:14] <BUGabundo> so nvidia is bad again
[21:14] <BUGabundo> I'm in low resolution
[21:14] <BUGabundo> the first boot ended up in X corruption
[21:15] <BUGabundo> booted the older kernel and X failed to find nvidia driver
[21:15] <BUGabundo> :(
[21:15] <BUGabundo> anyone has the bug for this ?
[21:15] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: know anything ?
[21:20] <BUGabundo> !test
[21:20] <BUGabundo> !alive
[21:20] <BUGabundo> DanaG: you got nvidia??
[21:20] <BUGabundo> mine won't start!
[21:21] <void^_> i'm using nvidia-173 for now
[21:21] <DanaG> I'm using a gma950 right now.  Keeps getting gpu wedged.
[21:26] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, hadn't heard nuthin'. but you know where to go to ask about that issue
[21:27] <BUGabundo> I heard yesterday
[21:27] <BUGabundo> nothing today
[21:28] <bjsnider> ask in ubuntu-x
[21:36] <Fallenou> hi
[21:37] <Fallenou> i'm trying to boot the latest Lucid iso with grub2, but i only found config for grub2 which use boot=casper, and i think lucid ISO does not use casper anymore, what should i put instead of "boot=casper" ?
[21:38] <Fallenou> i'm using this tutorial : http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/tutoriel/grub2_lancer_des_images_iso (it's in french sorry, but you can find the config i'm using)
[21:38] <Fallenou> i think i must replace some parameters because it's not compatible with lucid iso
[21:39] <Fallenou> for exemple the vmlinuz file is not in /casper/ but in /install/
[21:39] <charlie-tca> As in #ubuntu-installer?
[21:39] <Fallenou> i'm sorry, what ?
[21:40] <charlie-tca> Ask in #ubuntu-installer. They are the ones that build the cd
[21:41] <Fallenou> ok thank :)
[21:41] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[21:41]  * charlie-tca mutters something about missing fingers
[21:41]  * BUGabundo puts duck tape in charlie-tca fingers
[21:42] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[21:42] <charlie-tca> Well, I guess I put off restarting long enough. bbiab
[21:43] <BUGabundo> NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[21:43] <BUGabundo> he shall be missed !
[21:48]  * charlie-tca thinks "whew!" made it. and it is nvidia, too
[21:48] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: it works for you ?
[21:50] <charlie-tca> I am not using proprietary drivers, but I rebooted okay
[21:50] <charlie-tca> This is after the latest updates today
[21:51] <BUGabundo> mew
[21:52] <BUGabundo> going for a 4th reboot.. lets see if updates fixed something
[21:54] <mahasamoot> do I need the alt install disk for LUKS, or can I use the normal disk?
[21:57] <kklimonda> time to restart and see whenever nouveau still works :)
[21:57] <mahasamoot> where can I download kubuntu+1?
[21:58] <guntbert> !download | mahasamoot
[21:58] <guntbert> meh
[21:58] <mahasamoot> thankyou
[21:58] <BUGabundo> back
[21:58] <BUGabundo> everything fine this time
[21:59]  * kklimonda is really happy with the quality of nouveau drivers when something else doesn't break them
[21:59] <guntbert> mahasamoot: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/lucid/alpha-2/
[22:01] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: see, it does work!
[22:01] <BUGabundo> dont tawnt me
[22:01] <BUGabundo> I've got logs to prove me right , Master Charles
[22:03] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, have your boot time improved?
[22:03] <BUGabundo> naaaa
[22:03] <mahasamoot> guntbert: thank you... do I need Alternate for LUKS?
[22:04] <BUGabundo> its preitier, but not faster
[22:04] <guntbert> mahasamoot: no idea - sorry (what is LUKS)?
[22:04] <mahasamoot> encryption
[22:04] <charlie-tca> You got pretty? mine distorted again
[22:05] <BUGabundo> !g luks
[22:05] <BUGabundo> !find luks
[22:05] <BUGabundo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Unified_Key_Setup
[22:10] <arand> Is thunderbird3 supposed to be the default TB in lucid or simply present as a -3.0 package?
[22:11] <charlie-tca> So, LUKS is encrypted? Needs an alternate cd
[22:12] <CardinalFang> arand, using the name "thunderbird"?  Hrm.
[22:12] <BUGabundo> MUUUUUUUUAAAAAAAA
[22:12] <BUGabundo> darn thing log off
[22:13] <BUGabundo> and went to GDM
[22:13] <BUGabundo> FOO
[22:13] <charlie-tca> huh?
[22:13] <charlie-tca> doesn't that disrupt your work?
[22:14] <BUGabundo> ohh funny charlie-tca
[22:14] <charlie-tca> :-)
[22:14] <BUGabundo> lucky chromium safed my text :(
[22:14] <charlie-tca> I'm sorry, but I just couldn't help myself.
[22:16] <arand> CardinalFang: Yea..? Are there going to be a thunderbird-3.0 package or will you get it automatically when installing "thunderbird"..?
[22:32] <CardinalFang> arand, "thunderbird" will be version 3.0.x in 10.04.  I checked.
[22:34] <zniavre> does lsusb work on your lucid instalation?
[22:34] <arand> CardinalFang: Checked where? I've been looking about for info on that but wrought naught..
[22:34] <CardinalFang> arand, I asked.  The maintainer is about 50 meters from me.
[22:35] <arand> CardinalFang: :D Convenient.
[22:36] <CardinalFang> indeed.  He's usually thousands of miles away.
[22:37] <infecto> hello, i have sound problem :)
[22:37] <infecto> alsamixer show adapters but cant play any sound ;)
[22:37] <ChogyDan> !daily
[22:37] <infecto> known issue?
[22:51] <CardinalFang> infecto, if it's something that affects few kinds of systems, then you haven't given enough info.  If it affects lots of people, then it will be noticed without you.
[22:51] <CardinalFang> So, to be useful, tell us more.
[22:52] <crimsun> namely, either use ubuntu-bug alsa-base, or use http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[22:52] <crimsun> ^^ infecto
[22:54] <infecto> CardinalFang: dont work under kde :) but in gnome works perfectly
[22:54] <infecto> strange issue
[22:55] <crimsun> oh
[22:55] <crimsun> that's the well-known Phonon configuration issue
[22:55] <crimsun> just use KDE System Settings > Multimedia, and move PulseAudio to the top/first
[22:55] <crimsun> you'll need to logout and login
[22:55] <crimsun> ^^ infecto
[22:55] <infecto> ;) thanks a loot ;)
[23:15] <Fallenou> charlie-tca i noticed you're one of the proprietary graphic driver tester, did you install the daily lucid iso ?
[23:15] <charlie-tca> not today
[23:16] <charlie-tca> I forgot to run them
[23:16] <Fallenou> how would you install them ? burning CD ?
[23:16] <Fallenou> i'm trying via grub2 , but i think i must use the daily-live
[23:16] <Fallenou> i'm hoping it's ok for the tests
[23:17] <Fallenou> i would prefer avoiding burning cd :p
[23:17] <charlie-tca> I burn the cd's about 5 times a week
[23:18] <Fallenou> wow
[23:18] <charlie-tca> But this week, today is the first day we got all the images (Xubuntu, Ubuntu, Server)
[23:18] <Fallenou> oh great
[23:18] <Fallenou> i think the tests are only to be run on the ubuntu , right ?
[23:19] <charlie-tca> You only need one image for video testing. either 64 or 32 bit
[23:19] <charlie-tca> Since you are doing a full install, you can use either the alternate or live cd to install from
[23:20] <charlie-tca> But you won't be able to run tests from a live environment, as I understand it, because you do have to install the hardware drivers
[23:20] <Fallenou> yes sure i will do a full install
[23:21] <Fallenou> but i have been told that i cannot boot the alternate iso frmo grub2
[23:21] <Fallenou> it has to be a live
[23:21] <Fallenou> to boot via casper
[23:21] <Fallenou> is it right ?
[23:21] <charlie-tca> ah, I see. That may well be
[23:21] <charlie-tca> I don't really know how to do that
[23:22] <Fallenou> i mailed ara to ask if it's ok with desktop iso
[23:22] <Fallenou> if i do a full install
[23:26] <charlie-tca> I think either one is okay, the install ends the same way, right?
[23:29] <Fallenou> i guess
[23:29] <Fallenou> since it's daily for both, i guess it's just the "install part" that differs
[23:29] <Fallenou> but i don't know much
[23:30] <charlie-tca> yup, as long as it installs a current image to test the video, it should not make any difference which install medium is used.
[23:31] <Fallenou> i hope
[23:31] <DanaG>  /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.4.3/../../../../lib/crt1.o: In function `_start':
[23:31] <DanaG> (.text+0x18): undefined reference to `main'
[23:31] <DanaG> argh
[23:31] <DanaG> just started happening after some updates.
[23:33] <sarthor> Hi, my karmic updated, i can see the kernel "2.6.31-19" in my /boot/grub/menu.lst, but uname -r shows me "2.6.31-17-generic"
[23:41] <ZykoticK9> sarthor, are you using karmic or lucid?
[23:41] <sarthor> karmic
[23:41] <sarthor> here is my grub.conf http://pastebin.com/m56658bb6
[23:41] <ZykoticK9> sarthor, you should probably ask in the #ubuntu channel, #ubuntu+1 is for Lucid support.  best of luck.
[23:42] <sarthor> ZykoticK9, Ok bro.
[23:45] <Fallenou> charlie-tca, i got the answer from ara, we can use the live image, it was written in the FAQ in the wiki page she said
[23:48] <charlie-tca> Great! That should make it easier
[23:49] <Fallenou> sure


[01:21] <lifeless> hallyn: have you seen 'No cgroup mounted on the system' from lxc? vanillish quantal server was working in precise, not in Q :(
[01:22] <lifeless> hallyn: (thats from lxc)
[01:22] <lifeless> oh, bah, lifeless wins the redundant statement award today
[02:22] <hallyn> lifeless: no, is there a bug with details?  (i've had no trouble on q)
[02:23] <lifeless> hallyn: I'll make one.
[02:23] <lifeless> hallyn: cgroup is mounted, so it has me flummoxed ;)
[02:25] <hallyn> lifeless: thanks
[02:27] <lifeless> hallyn: np :)
[02:30] <Dunitek> Hi, Just curious. What are your applications for Ubuntu Server? I personally mostly use it for LAMP. Done a little bit of virtualization.
[02:32] <SpamapS> Dunitek: its big in the cloud
[02:33] <Dunitek> I see...
[02:33] <lifeless> I use it to warm my room up
[02:34] <Dunitek> lifeless: You must be running it on a Celeron D then.
[02:37] <lifeless> Dunitek: heh, nope, but that wouldn't help ;)
[03:34] <anepanal1ptos> i have loaded enough hard drives from my broken raid array to an ubuntu box (hopeing i can read/recover something) and i issue dmraid -s and dmraid -ay
[03:34] <anepanal1ptos> and i see status : ok
[03:35] <anepanal1ptos> but now i am unaware as to what my next step is, how do i mount this thing?
[03:53] <anepanal1ptos> ok i found it in /dev/mapper/pdc_blahblah
[03:54] <anepanal1ptos> i cant mount it, 'NTFS sig inconsistant' -- however sfdisk /dev/mapper/pdc_blahblah looks good
[03:58] <acdcfan> i've got a question if anyone can help
[03:58] <nickgaw> Hi, Where in ubuntu server does ubuntu store the wireless network name and key so it connects to it upon boot?
[03:59] <anepanal1ptos> nickgaw: /etc/network/interfaces
[03:59] <anepanal1ptos> acdcfan: !ask
[03:59] <nickgaw> when I installed ubuntu server my system has a 1 TB spining hard drive and  8 GB flash drive I installed ubuntu server to the flash portion and used the 1 TB as the home directories is this the best thing to do install the operating system on the flash portion of the drive?
[03:59] <anepanal1ptos> (oh you guys dont have that bot?)
[04:00] <patdk-lap> !ask
[04:00] <acdcfan> !ask i did a mount --bind in a users home directory to give them access to a folder on a different drive and while it lists fine over ssh, it doesn't list over vsftp. is there a vsftp setting i need to futz with? i didnt' see anything in the conf that looked promising
[04:00] <anepanal1ptos> lol
[04:01] <acdcfan> i tell ya, these bots will never be useful!
[04:01] <anepanal1ptos> nickgaw: im not sure if you're really saving anything?
[04:02] <nickgaw> what is really the point of those drives that have one flash portion and one normal hard drive portion?
[04:02] <anepanal1ptos> so you can 'boot up really fast' and then access your data slower.
[04:02] <acdcfan> cacheing the most used files for quick access?
[04:02] <nickgaw> so me installing the operating system on this portion of the drive is the proper thing to do?
[04:02] <anepanal1ptos> but if you shortstroke that 1TB disk you can also enjoy. simply setup a partition only 120Go in size and you will notice the speed increase.
[04:03] <anepanal1ptos> nickgaw: yes.
[04:03] <anepanal1ptos> would be the flash area, and /home would be the 'disk' area
[04:03] <nickgaw> yes that is how it is setup.
[04:03] <anepanal1ptos>  / would be the flash area** (irc ate it :p )
[04:05] <patdk-lap> 8g seems to be a really really small flash area
[04:06] <nickgaw> do most laptop makers take the warenty of the software into consideration or is it mainly just the hardware?
[04:06] <patdk-lap> dell does software too
[04:06] <patdk-lap> and their normal answer is, reinstall using the recovery cd
[04:07] <nickgaw> this was a samsung laptop but the windows installation was so messed up that I did not really contact them before I reinstalled the operating system ubuntu should my hardware still be covered under any warenty?
[04:09] <nickgaw> and is it bad to run a laptop with the lid closed if it has server software running on it?
[04:10] <TheLordOfTime> i did that in my netbook, but i installed the GUI so I can modify the power settings easily
[04:10] <TheLordOfTime> modified power settings to say "On Lid Close, Do Nothing"
[04:10] <nickgaw> but is it safe as with the lid closed the system still runs fine.
[04:11] <TheLordOfTime> define "safe"
[04:11] <TheLordOfTime> because "Safe" is a relative term.
[04:11] <nickgaw> well does the fan run better with the lid closed
[04:11] <TheLordOfTime> it runs the same regardless.
[04:12] <TheLordOfTime> the fan's ability to cool is not directly related to having the screen open or closed
[04:13] <nickgaw> by default does build-essential install just native 64 bit or can I also compile 32 bit code if this system is a 64 bit system?
[04:13] <TheLordOfTime> not sure how build-essential's affected in multiarch now that ia32-libs doesn't exist, but i usually install the dependent 32bit libraries if i'm compiling 32bit, which is EXTRAORDINARILY rare.
[04:14] <TheLordOfTime> since most things have a 64bit version
[04:15] <nickgaw> how can I tell if the 32 bit stuff is installed?
[06:20] <lifeless> hallyn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc/+bug/1096771
[06:20] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 1096771 in lxc "error 'No cgroup mounted on the system' but cgroup mounted" [Undecided,New]
[06:21] <lifeless> bah, gone
[06:26] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1096771 in lxc (universe) "error 'No cgroup mounted on the system' but cgroup mounted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1096771
[07:40] <freak1> good morning
[07:40] <freak1> i have an ubuntu server question about adding disk space to LVM..
[07:40] <freak1> in short; i'm running ubuntu in a virtual machine
[07:40] <freak1> disk was full
[07:40] <freak1> expanded the disk
[07:40] <freak1> created a new partition
[07:40] <freak1> added that to lvm, exdpanded the volume group over the new partition
[07:41] <freak1> and expanded the partition itself
[07:41] <freak1> all seemed well
[07:41] <freak1> after the reboot, i get the following error
[07:41] <freak1> device-mapper : table : sda 3 too small for target
[07:41] <freak1> when it tries to mount the volume it says the device is busy
[07:42] <freak1> so now i don't know what to do :/
[08:27] <freak1> good morning
[08:27] <freak1> anyone with LVM knowledge
[08:27] <freak1> and device-mapper : table : sda 3 too small for target
[08:40] <mogaj> Assistance needed Unable to login to Ubuntu Amazon instance through ssh,what am i doing wrong http://pastebin.com/2v9rD4Cq
[09:13] <Daviey> Gooooooooood Morning!
[09:14] <koolhead17> good morning Daviey
[09:26] <jamespage> morning all
[09:29] <gema> jamespage: morning, we've missed you!
[09:29] <jamespage> morning gema!
[09:30] <gema> jamespage: some server test bug coming your way :o)
[09:30] <gema> just a heads up, psivaa has the details
[09:30] <jamespage> oh great
[09:30] <jamespage> :-)
[09:30] <gema> ;)
[09:31] <psivaa> jamespage: this is about the ceph server tests, the tests are failing even with 4G RAM and 40G disks
[09:31] <psivaa> let me findout the specific failures
[09:32] <jamespage> psivaa, rados gateway still looking at the log data
[09:32] <jamespage> hmm
[09:33] <psivaa> jamespage: thanks :) bug 1090504 was opened for it
[09:33] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 1090504 in ubuntu-test-cases "Ceph tests sometimes fail to contact rados gw" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1090504
[09:34] <jamespage> psivaa, this is the one we can only repro in the lab
[09:34] <jamespage> I remember now
[09:35] <jamespage> psivaa, added to my list; I may just disable the failing bit for the time being until I can get a chunk of time to focus on it
[09:36] <gema> jamespage: sounds good, since it is likely to be the test case
[09:36] <psivaa> jamespage: ok thanks, it would help if you could disable it sooner, if you are doing it :)
[09:41] <jamespage> psivaa, disabled in the branch - I've not tested but it should pass OK now
[09:42] <psivaa> jamespage: thanks very much, we would know tomorrow when the smoke tests use the new tests. i'll let you know
[09:42] <gema> psivaa: you could run that new version today
[09:42] <jamespage> psivaa, can you not just re-run manually to test? I'd rather clear this today
[09:42] <gema> and see if it lives up to our expectations or if it needs some more tweaking
[09:42] <koolhead17> hola jamespage
[09:43] <koolhead17> seems like we are all back from vacation :)
[09:43] <jamespage> morning koolhead17; happy new year!
[09:43] <koolhead17> jamespage: same to you sir!!
[09:43]  * koolhead17 waiting for zul :)
[09:43] <psivaa> jamespage: gema: let me have a look at it
[10:05] <rbasak> Daviey: what do you think about an SRU to precise for bug 1087145? Will it meet SRU criteria?
[10:05] <rbasak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/squid-deb-proxy/+bug/1087145
[10:07] <Daviey> rbasak: yes, i think it fits it fine
[10:07] <rbasak> OK, I'll prepare one - thanks
[10:07] <Daviey> superb
[10:10] <rbasak> Ugh. No patch system? :-/
[10:10] <Daviey> that is fine, just change it directly
[10:10] <rbasak> Will do
[10:10] <rbasak> Hmm. It's native, too!
[10:29] <psivaa> gema: jamespage: amd64 ceph tests have run green, but only thing is the yaml output is not complete. watching the i386 now
[10:34] <gema> psivaa: is that a problem with cepht tests or with utah?
[10:36] <psivaa> gema: not sure, just waiting to see i386 to finish. also running a separate test to see what's going on
[10:37] <gema> psivaa: ack
[10:48] <blag> Are there still plans to create Bind packages enabled with DLZ for different databases (like it says here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=273440 )?
[10:54] <rbasak> Daviey: tested the fix, done the paperwork and MP attached to bug. Would you like to review/upload or shall I wait for a sponsor? Also I don't have the necessary LP-fu to create a bug task for Precise on that bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/squid-deb-proxy/+bug/1087145
[10:59]  * rbasak wonders what happened to uvirtbot
[11:00] <Daviey> rbasak: give me 30 mins
[11:01] <rbasak> Sure, thanks!
[11:45] <mah454_> Hello
[11:45] <mah454_> I want to make ubuntu ltsp server
[11:46] <mah454_> receive this message :
[11:46] <mah454_> /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/common/010-etc-hosts: line 3: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/hosts: No such file or directory
[11:47] <mah454_> How can fix it ?
[11:47] <mah454_> I use ubuntu 12.10
[11:52] <AgMo> mah454_: you can create that file manually
[12:04] <mah454_> AgMo: not fixed !
[12:09] <RoyK> mah454_: perhaps try #ltsp
[12:33] <soren> rbasak: I'm moving uvirtbot to a new, more stable home this morning.
[12:33] <rbasak> Oooh, shiny. Thank you!
[12:33] <soren> rbasak: Never imagined anyone would miss it in that short time span :)
[12:34] <evident> hi everybody! If I would like to enable my ubuntu server to be able to send mails (from PHP, e.g. for WordPress), what would I need for that? I don't want IMAP and POP services and that stuff, just to be able to send mails via WordPress...
[12:35] <rbasak> evident: look into nullmailer. Also, somebody did it with Postfix like this: http://askubuntu.com/q/228938/7808
[12:35] <AgMo> evident: you just need to install postfix, eyou could do that even with default config
[12:38] <evident> ok thank you I will have a look at that :)
[12:59] <soren> uvirtbot: Welcome back.
[12:59] <soren> bug 236234
[13:02] <rbasak> Thanks soren!
[13:03] <soren> No problem.
[13:03] <soren> I figured it was time to get rid of my Hardy servers anyway.
[13:03]  * soren has a surprising amount of them
[13:03] <soren> Well, had.
[13:03] <soren> This was the last one.
[13:06] <decci> I need help with installing ubuntu 12.04 on compellent SAN . http://paste.ubuntu.com/1506572/
[13:07] <decci> When I try to install ubuntu 12.04. The installation cannot see the SAN storage device as shown http://tracker.webtechnologyfocused.com.au/ehw/volumesnotdetected.jpg
[13:07] <decci> I believe this could be a driver issue with Ubuntu and may need the driver to see the storage device.
[13:13] <decci> Sorry went offline
[13:13] <decci> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ceph
[13:13] <decci> sorry
[13:13] <decci> Anyone who can help with installing ubuntu 12.04 on compellent SAN? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1506572/
[13:17] <rbasak> decci: I don't really see the problem. Are you trying to get the installation to pick up your BIOS setup? What happens if you manually configure the NIC and iSCSI target in userspace in the installer?
[13:21] <decci> rbasak: For CentOS 6.3 it works fine. but not for ubuntu 12.04.When I try to install ubuntu 12.04. The installation cannot see the SAN storage device as shown http://tracker.webtechnologyfocused.com.au/ehw/volumesnotdetected.jpg  I believe this could be a driver issue with Ubuntu and may need the driver to see the storage device.
[13:22] <rbasak> So with CentOS, the NIC is configured in BIOS and the driver presents it as a block storage device?
[13:24] <decci> rbasak: yes
[13:24] <rbasak> I see. Have you tried 12.10?
[13:25] <decci> rbasak: I need to use 12.04
[13:25] <decci> rbasak: How can I find what compellent driver is needed?
[13:25] <decci> rbasak: Any idea what could be the missing factor here?
[13:27] <rbasak> Knowing whether it works in 12.10 would help. If it turns out that the driver is simply missing in 12.04, then unless your manufacturer or somebody else has a solution I think you'd need a developer to backport the driver.
[13:28] <decci> rbasak: Are you talking about lsscsi driver
[13:29] <rbasak> I was talking about the driver for your nic/onboard iscsi card. But this is fast going beyond what I can help with without actually looking at your system
[13:39] <zul> good morning
[14:05] <zul> jamespage: new webob coming down the pipe fyi
[14:09] <jamespage> zul, w00t!
[14:19] <zul> yolanda: ping are you packaging python-ceilometerclient?
[14:20] <yolanda> hi, zul, no
[14:20] <yolanda> i'm working on some app that uses it
[14:20] <zul> yolanda: okies
[14:20] <yolanda> but in the near future i should work on it, i think
[14:28] <psivaa> jamespage: the i386 ceph tests are still failing to execute even with the latest changes.
[14:28] <psivaa> radosgw.log https://pastebin.canonical.com/81252/
[14:28] <psivaa> ceph-osd.0.log https://pastebin.canonical.com/81253/
[14:28] <psivaa> ceph-mon.a.log https://pastebin.canonical.com/81250/
[14:28] <psivaa> ceph.log https://pastebin.canonical.com/81249/
[14:29] <psivaa> jamespage: the syslog for the installation is https://pastebin.canonical.com/81255/
[14:44] <nocturn> Hi, I have  Ubuntu 11.10 on a system with softraid.  During apt-get upgrade it asked to change the grub-pc config, which I kept at local.  After that I got a dialog where to isntall grub, listing my HD's and raid device.  Now, I'm not sure if grub installed correctly and if I can reboot the server.  What can I check?
[14:50] <nocturn> Will it work if I install grub to sda and sdb and not the raid device?
[14:53] <quagliato> Hey guys. Just installed ubuntu server in a machine here. During the installation I had a network down time. Now that my network is back, what can I do to make eth0 get an DHCP IP?
[15:06] <hallyn> stgraber: hm, the /dev/kmsg patch to lxc-devel, i'm actually wondering whether systemd should just be doing readlink /dev/kmsg...  we'll see
[15:07] <stgraber> hallyn: yeah... just reverting the patch is clearly wrong as it'd cause problems with !systemd where a working kmsg is needed (that's not the same as the host)
[15:08] <hallyn> (i replied asking for at least a description fo the error)
[15:20] <zul> jamespage: ping
[15:34] <jamespage> zul, pong
[15:34] <zul> jamespage: just adding nova-cells but you already new that
[15:34] <jamespage> zul, cells == zones right?
[15:34] <zul> jamespage: can you +1 the nova-testr branch
[15:34] <zul> yeah
[15:34] <zul> jamespage: i havent looked how the cells stuff work yet...stupid vacation got in the way
[15:35] <jamespage> zul, damn that annual celebration
[15:35] <jamespage> lol
[15:35] <zul> jamespage: too many times at church
[15:35] <jamespage> zul, I'd forgotten how to type
[15:36] <zul> jamespage: ditto...well not really
[15:37] <zul> but i did forget how to drive
[15:37] <jamespage> zul, lol
[15:38] <jamespage> zul, looking at that branch again now
[15:38] <jamespage> adam_g, I reviewed your changes to the swift charms - all LGTM; I've not merged then into trunk yet - thought you might like the glory!
[15:46] <zastern> Anybody using nginx on Ubuntu 12.04. Have you noticed that the package is a development release?
[15:48] <jamespage> zul, are you dumping nova-cells into that same branch or a new one?
[15:48] <zul> jamespage: newer one
[15:48] <zul> based on the testr-fallout though
[15:49] <jamespage> zul, OK _ thats approved
[15:50] <zul> jamespage:  asante sana
[15:56] <zul> jamespage: one more https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/nova/nova-cells/+merge/142146
[16:18] <quagliato> Guys, how can I install a USB printer with cups?
[16:19] <Jeeves_> Plug it in.
[16:19] <Jeeves_> Turn it on
[16:20] <Jeeves_> On a desktop, that should be enough
[16:46] <quagliato> Jeeves_: It's a server.
[16:46] <quagliato> Jeeves_: But I've already discovered how to do it. Thank you anyway. ;)
[17:03] <longdays_> added a new conf file to /etc/init for an upstart job. The job works but when typing the commnad "service targetjob start" targetjob does not autocomplete like built in jobs. How do I get this functionality to work?
[17:04] <longdays_> autocomplete in bash when typing the command
[17:04] <longdays_> I would like to tab out the command instead of typing out the entire name of the job
[17:12] <jamespage> zul, are we dropping all debian/*.init scripts now?  I'm sure I had a conversation about that with someone (might have been yolanda) before christmas?
[17:18] <koolhead17> i tried installing latest glance pkg from cloud archive
[17:20] <koolhead17> this is what i got http://paste.ubuntu.com/1507169/
[17:20] <koolhead17> zul, jamespage adam_g is it correct?
[17:21] <jamespage> koolhead17, I think so yes
[17:21] <koolhead17> jamespage, and dpkg failing to remove '/var/log/glance'
[17:21] <koolhead17> after purge>
[17:22] <jamespage> koolhead17, unless the package maintain explicitly does it in the postrm dpkg won't remove it
[17:23] <koolhead17> jamespage, so i have to manually remove the directory if i have to remove trace of glance.
[17:23] <jamespage> yes
[17:23] <koolhead17> that solves my issue. thanks
[17:23] <koolhead17> was working on doc to clean up a install
[17:25] <zul> jamespage: yeah they arent being used or instaled so drop them
[17:25] <zul> makes it easier to find things as well
[17:26]  * koolhead17 bows to zul
[17:27] <zul> hi koolhead17
[17:27] <koolhead17> zul, hope you had good holiday!!
[17:27] <zul> koolhead17: yep
[17:28] <koolhead17> cool. zul coolbhavi tried to reach you i suppose during holiday. he was stuck and had some questions
[17:29] <zul> koolhead17: oh didnt see it ill reply to him
[17:29] <koolhead17> zul, i was at his place few weeks back to work on repathing that bug
[17:29] <zul> koolhead17: i think that bug is fixed now though
[17:30] <koolhead17> ooh. ok but we would like to know how that magic happnes the packaging so he could help me out with the next/other bugs
[17:33] <jamespage> zul, two trivials - just commit the fixes and merge
[17:33] <zul> jamespage:  k thanks
[18:17] <tedski> any guidance on setting arp interval for bonding?  we're having trouble finding it in the documentation
[18:39] <lifeless> hallyn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc/+bug/1096771
[18:40] <lifeless> oh, incomplete. /me looks
[18:41] <lifeless> hallyn: attached
[18:43] <hallyn> thanks.  (sorry, i wanted to get my mail queue cleared so i could devote more time to your bug, took longer than i expected)
[18:44] <lifeless> hallyn: np at all, I was asleep :)
[18:45] <hallyn> well that was anti-climactic.  (6 lines)
[18:45] <lifeless> yeah
[18:45] <lifeless> debug shows more
[18:46] <lifeless> attaching
[18:47] <hallyn> lifeless: well that doesn't jive with the 'mount' output in description.  what does 'cat /proc/self/mounts' show?
[18:48] <hallyn> you have standard cgroup-lite pkg installed?
[18:49] <lifeless> hallyn: yes, cgroup is in mtab fwiw - and i just rebooted the machine this morning too
[18:50] <lifeless> ls /sys/fs/
[18:50] <lifeless> btrfs  cgroup  ecryptfs  ext4  fuse
[18:50] <lifeless> cgroup is empty
[18:51] <lifeless> ii  cgroup-lite                                           1.5                             all                             Light-weight package to set up cgroups at system boot
[18:51] <lifeless>  sudo service cgroup-lite start
[18:51] <lifeless> start: Job is already running: cgroup-lite
[18:52] <hallyn> lifeless: do you have any cgroup entries in fstab?
[18:53] <hallyn> lifeless: (see /bin/cgroups-mounts for the cases where cgroup-lite decides someone else has already taken care of cgroups, and doesn't mount them)
[18:54] <lifeless> hallyn: afterrunning /bin/cgroups-mounts, lxc works
[18:54] <lifeless> hallyn: (and cgroups is mounted)
[18:56] <adam_g> jamespage: i've consolidated the folsom test jobs in jenkins from {quantal, precise}_folsom_coverage_$foo to a single group of folsom_coverage_$foo. i'd like to get the grizzly ones moved (and running) soon.  would you be able to update the regexp at jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com to pick up the new scheme?
[18:56] <hallyn> lifeless: hm, that does not make sense.  can you show /proc/1/mountinfo?
[18:56] <lifeless> hallyn: done
[18:57] <lifeless> hallyn: if you need me to reboot and do that with pristine contents just say
[18:58] <hallyn> lifeless: is /etc/mtab a symlink to /proc/mounts?
[18:59] <lifeless>  stat /etc/mtab
[18:59] <lifeless>   File: `/etc/mtab'
[18:59] <lifeless> [no]
[18:59] <lifeless> hallyn: its not on my laptop either, but it works there ;)
[19:00] <hallyn> lifeless: so yeah, when convenient, could you reboot, and before doing anything else show contents of /proc/1/mounts and /etc/mtab, and /sys/fs/cgroup?
[19:00] <lifeless> doing so
[19:01] <lifeless> its spinning platters w/raid, so it takes a minute to POST
[19:03] <lifeless> hallyn: done
[19:04] <hallyn> lifeless: fascinating.  so why does /etc/mtab have cgroup entries when /proc/moutns does not?
[19:04] <hallyn> your shutdown is i believe not cleanly umounting the cgroup filesystems, so mtab doesn't get cleared out, so it has those entries in it at boot still?
[19:05] <lifeless> possibly, though thats an Ubuntu feature, no ? :)
[19:05] <lifeless> ls -l /etc/mtab
[19:05] <lifeless> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1284 Dec 19 11:38 /etc/mtab
[19:05] <hallyn> except if that was all it was, then manually re-running /bin/cgroups-mount shouldn't work
[19:05] <lifeless> wait, that ls was wrong-machine
[19:05] <lifeless> ls -l /etc/mtab
[19:05] <lifeless> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1246 Jan  8 08:02 /etc/mtab
[19:06] <lifeless> is the one thats glitching
[19:06] <lifeless> so mtab is being rewritten
[19:06] <hallyn> lifeless: cat /proc/self/mountinfo?
[19:06] <lifeless> hallyn: on the bug
[19:08] <jamespage> adam_g, sure can
[19:08] <hallyn> lifeless: just to be clear, sudo ls /sys/fs/cgroup gave no error right?  so 'ls -d /sys/fs/cgroup' shows that that dir exists?
[19:08] <lifeless> right
[19:09] <lifeless> on bug now for posterity :)
[19:10] <hallyn> and 'status cgroup-lite' at this point also says it's started, not stopped?
[19:11] <lifeless> yes
[19:11] <lifeless>  status cgroup-lite
[19:11] <lifeless> cgroup-lite start/running
[19:14] <lifeless> hallyn: bit of a puzzler, right ?
[19:16] <RFleming> Greetings!
[19:16] <RFleming> How do I add 256color support to my server terminal?
[19:17] <hallyn> lifeless: a bit.  anything helpful in /var/log/upstart/cgroup-lite.log?
[19:17] <hallyn> i'd gues that somehow mount -t tmpfs is failing...
[19:18] <lifeless> less /var/log/upstart/cgroup-lite.log
[19:18] <lifeless> /var/log/upstart/cgroup-lite.log: No such file or directory
[19:18] <lifeless>  ls -l /var/log/upstart/cg*
[19:18] <lifeless> ls: cannot access /var/log/upstart/cg*: No such file or directory
[19:18] <lifeless> cat /proc/self/mounts | grep tmp
[19:19] <lifeless> udev /dev devtmpfs rw,relatime,size=8129608k,nr_inodes=2032402,mode=755 0 0
[19:19] <lifeless> tmpfs /run tmpfs rw,nosuid,relatime,size=3257152k,mode=755 0 0
[19:19] <lifeless> none /run/lock tmpfs rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,size=5120k 0 0
[19:19] <lifeless> none /run/shm tmpfs rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime 0 0
[19:19] <lifeless> none /run/user tmpfs rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,size=102400k,mode=755 0 0
[19:20] <Pici> !paste
[19:20] <jamespage> adam_g, regex should already capture that - its ".*_folsom_.*"
[19:20] <hallyn> lifeless: your mountinfo (this is a reach) does seem to suggest that proc got mounted after /sys...  which *could* make the test for /proc/cgroups fail
[19:22] <adam_g> jamespage: ah, they are just folsom_.* now
[19:23] <jamespage> adam_g, underscore duly removed
[19:23] <jamespage> that should be OK now
[19:24] <adam_g> jamespage: oh also you might wanna check the deployments.cfg in lp:openstack-ubuntu-testing now. was able to clean it up considerably with some changes to the deployer
[19:24] <lifeless> hallyn: fun :)
[19:31] <jamespage> adam_g, ooo - I see quantum tests now as well!
[19:31] <jamespage> great
[19:32] <jamespage> adam_g, oh - happy new year as well BTW!
[19:32] <hallyn> lifeless: would you mind instrumenting /bin/cgroups-mounts?  an 'echo proc has $(/bin/ls /proc) > /cgroup.debug' at the top of /etc/init/cgroup-lite.conf?
[19:32] <hallyn> (then rebooting)
[19:33] <adam_g> jamespage: you too :)  i put the quantum stuff in there to help with verification of the current quantal SRUs, with a simple/temporary floating IP test.
[19:33] <jamespage> adam_g, that verifies most of quantum so +1
[19:34] <lifeless> hallyn: like so : author "Serge Hallyn<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:34] <lifeless> echo proc has $(/bin/ls /proc) > /cgroup.debug
[19:34] <lifeless> start on mounted MOUNTPOINT=/sys
[19:34] <lifeless>  ?
[19:34] <hallyn> lifeless: no, sorry, not in that file :)
[19:34] <hallyn> rather, in /bin/cgroups-mount, right below 'set -e'
[19:34] <hallyn> i misspoke
[19:34] <lifeless> hallyn: ahha
[19:35] <hallyn> stgraber: were you wanting me to write a patch for your cgroup issue?
[19:36] <stgraber> hallyn: I guess so, but wait until I'm done working around it :)
[19:37] <RoyK> 5
[19:38] <hallyn> stgraber: i can wait.  i'm good at that
[19:38] <lifeless> hallyn: less /cgroup.debug
[19:38] <lifeless> /cgroup.debug: No such file or directory
[19:41] <hallyn> what on earth
[19:41] <lifeless> status cgroup-lite
[19:41] <lifeless> cgroup-lite stop/waiting
[19:41] <lifeless> don't ask me how or why.
[19:41] <hallyn> oh, so my line was probalby bad :)
[19:41] <hallyn> lifeless: how about
[19:41] <hallyn> echo "proc has" > /cgroup.debug
[19:41] <hallyn> /bin/ls /proc >> /cgroup.debug
[19:42] <hallyn> ^ that right under set -e in /bin/cgroups-mount
[19:43] <hallyn> lifeless: at least i think we just confirmed that cgroups-mount *is* being run :)
[19:45] <lifeless> hallyn: status cgroup-lite
[19:45] <lifeless> cgroup-lite stop/waiting
[19:45] <lifeless> no file
[19:46] <lifeless> hallyn: cgroups-mount runs ok if i run it at this stage, generates a file
[19:46] <lifeless> hallyn: /bin/ls /foo
[19:46] <lifeless> /bin/ls: cannot access /foo: No such file or directory
[19:46] <lifeless> robertc@lifelessdesktop:~$ echo $?
[19:46] <lifeless> 2
[19:47] <hallyn> lifeless: that seems to suggest that /bin/ls fails bc /proc itself doesn't exist
[19:47] <hallyn> right
[19:47] <lifeless> hallyn: so I think we have evidence that .. yes
[19:47] <hallyn> lifeless: can you add '|| true' to the end of those?  :)
[19:47] <lifeless> I'll put a stat in there
[19:52] <lifeless> hallyn: aieee
[19:53] <lifeless> robertc@lifelessdesktop:~$ ls /cg*
[19:53] <lifeless> ls: cannot access /cg*: No such file or directory
[19:53] <lifeless> robertc@lifelessdesktop:~$ status cgroup-lite
[19:53] <lifeless> cgroup-lite stop/waiting
[19:53] <lifeless> robertc@lifelessdesktop:~$ less /bin/cgroups-mount
[19:53] <lifeless> #!/bin/sh
[19:53] <lifeless> # Copyright 2011 Canonical, Inc
[19:53] <lifeless> # Author: Serge Hallyn<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:53] <lifeless> set -e
[19:53] <lifeless> echo "proc has" > /cgroup.debug
[19:53] <lifeless> (/usr/bin/stat /proc || echo "No /proc") >> /cgroup.debug
[19:53] <lifeless> (/bin/ls /proc || echo "No /proc") >> /cgroup.debug
[19:53] <lifeless> hallyn: the top echo has to be whats failing now ><
[19:55] <hallyn> your / is still readonly perhaps?
[19:55] <lifeless> perhaps
[19:55] <hallyn> oooh, try echoing into /run/cgroup.debug instead?
[19:58] <lifeless> success
[19:58] <lifeless> hallyn: what did you want to know from /proc ?
[19:58] <hallyn> lifeless: if it's mounted and /proc/cgroups exists
[19:59] <hallyn> (or /proc/mounts for that matter)  trying to figure out at which step /bin/cgroups-mount is bowing out
[20:00] <lifeless>  grep mounts  /run/cgroup.debug
[20:00] <lifeless> mounts
[20:00] <lifeless> robertc@lifelessdesktop:~$ grep cgroup /run/cgroup.debug
[20:00] <lifeless> cgroups
[20:00] <lifeless> hallyn: I'll get all the output of the script, one sec
[20:01] <lifeless> hallyn: exec 2>&1 >/run/cgroup.debug
[20:06] <zul> lifeless: got a question for you how do you run the testsuite for testrepository?
[20:11] <lifeless> zul: make check
[20:11] <lifeless> zul: or testr run
[20:12] <zul> lifeless: cool thanks
[20:13] <RoyK> anyone know an online bacup service supporting linux that sucks a tinly bit less than crashplan?
[20:14] <patdk-wk> royk, wish :(
[20:15] <RoyK> upload speed is about 1Mbps sustaind, with me on 60Mbps symmetric
[20:15] <RoyK> that "free unlimited" is rather !true
[20:15] <lifeless> zul: (thats also in the developers docs :P)
[20:16] <lifeless> zul: etc/nova/rootwrap.d/baremetal_compute_pxe.filters
[20:16] <lifeless> bah
[20:16] <RoyK> since it's limited by the time - I mean - it's free unlimited, if you have a year to upload 10TB
[20:16] <lifeless> zul: http://testrepository.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
[20:16] <lifeless> RoyK: s3?
[20:16] <RoyK> s3?
[20:16] <patdk-wk> royk, I can get alittle over 1.4mbps
[20:16] <patdk-wk> s3 would be amazon
[20:17] <RoyK> lifeless: heh - what would 3TB cost from them? ;)
[20:17] <TheLordOfTime> expensive?
[20:17] <patdk-wk> amazon has a new solution though
[20:17] <lifeless> RoyK: per month? lets see
[20:18] <RoyK> backblaze is good, but they refuse to support linux, even though they brag about portable code
[20:18] <patdk-wk> ya, the only reason I refuse to use backblaze
[20:18] <lifeless> RoyK: http://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/
[20:19] <lifeless> RoyK: if you use glacier
[20:19] <patdk-wk> $30 a month :) with glacier
[20:19] <lifeless> 10c/gigabyte-month, *3000 = 30$
[20:19] <lifeless> 300 ?
[20:19] <patdk-wk> 1c you mean
[20:19] <patdk-wk> where you do you get 10c?
[20:20] <lifeless> my brain on mornings.
[20:20] <lifeless> yeah, 1c/ 30dollars
[20:20] <j2b> Are you looking for service, or you're ok with supporting your own VPS?
[20:20] <RoyK> lifeless: add +10% for that to be TiB, not TB
[20:20] <patdk-wk> they *rape* you if you ever need to restore though
[20:20] <lifeless> RoyK: oh noes, what will you do :>
[20:20] <j2b> Restoration is a BIG ISSUE at any online service provideer. THat's why they do not comment on this :)
[20:20] <lifeless> 5c/1000 requests to restore
[20:21] <patdk-wk> $360 to restore 3tb
[20:21] <lifeless> patdk-wk: Glacier Data Restores Free †† <- ?
[20:21] <patdk-wk> free if <1gb per month
[20:21] <patdk-wk> .12c per gb >1gb and <10tb
[20:21] <RoyK> that's nice - first you pay $340 or so for 3TiB backup per month and then the same for restore
[20:22] <j2b> There is a business, not in getting data :)
[20:22] <patdk-wk> no $30 per month for storage, $360 for restore
[20:22] <j2b> Right
[20:22] <lifeless> patdk-wk: http://aws.amazon.com/s3/faqs/#How_much_data_can_I_restore_for_free
[20:22] <j2b> Or the other way, you can not support all this stuff for 30$
[20:22] <patdk-wk> lifeless, we where talking glacier
[20:22] <patdk-wk> http://aws.amazon.com/glacier/#pricing
[20:22] <lifeless> patdk-wk: suggests restoring 140GB would cost 21 dollars
[20:22] <lifeless> patdk-wk: that link I just gave is for glacier
[20:24] <patdk-wk> lifeless, no, that is only s3 <-> glacier
[20:24] <patdk-wk> not source to anything other than s3
[20:24] <patdk-wk> so you would have additional charges of downloading from s3 then
[20:24] <patdk-wk> IF all your data was within ec2/ebs/s3 to start, yes, cheap, if not, screwed :)
[20:25] <lifeless> patdk-wk: I don't understand - http://aws.amazon.com/glacier/faqs/#How_much_data_can_I_retrieve_for_free *also* claims ~20 dollars
[20:25] <lifeless> patdk-wk: and makes no reference to being ->s3
[20:25] <patdk-wk> yes, but what you linked is only covering restoring TO s3
[20:26] <RoyK> patdk-wk: any idea what bandwidth they have, IRL?
[20:26] <patdk-wk> the start of each answer says s3
[20:26] <patdk-wk> royk, who?
[20:26] <RoyK> glacier
[20:26] <lifeless> patdk-wk: no it doesn't
[20:26] <lifeless> patdk-wk: we must be reading different things
[20:27] <lifeless> patdk-wk: the only s3 references on that page are 'How should I choose between Amazon Glacier and Amazon S3?'
[20:27] <patdk-wk> your in a S3 faq,
[20:27] <patdk-wk> "You can restore up to 5% of the Amazon S3 data stored in Amazon Glacier for free each month"
[20:27] <lifeless> patdk-wk: http://aws.amazon.com/glacier/faqs/#How_much_data_can_I_retrieve_for_free
[20:27] <lifeless> patdk-wk:   ^^ glacier faq
[20:27] <patdk-wk> well you posted the s3 one :)
 patdk-wk: http://aws.amazon.com/s3/faqs/#How_much_data_can_I_restore_for_free
[20:27] <lifeless> patdk-wk: yes, and then when you pointed that out, dug up the glacier one
[20:28] <lifeless> which uses the same calculations
[20:28] <lifeless> and does -not- talk about s3
[20:28] <patdk-wk> ya, that is strange
[20:28] <patdk-wk> the pricing table clearly says 12c per gb though
[20:29] <patdk-wk> royk, no idea, but it's amazon, I would expect atleast gigabit to the servers
[20:29] <lifeless> the http://aws.amazon.com/glacier/faqs/#How_will_I_be_charged_when_retrieving_large_amounts_of_data_from_Amazon_Glacier answer is what covers this
[20:30] <RoyK> heh - so 5% free each month, but calculated by the hour, meaning you'll have to manually throttle restore?
[20:30] <patdk-wk> ya
[20:30] <lifeless> hallyn: ok, got some details
[20:30] <patdk-wk> the 21.40 price for 140g works out to 15.4c per gb
[20:31] <RoyK> or perhaps they have a throttle service
[20:31] <RoyK> gods know
[20:31] <smoser> utlemming, http://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2012/12/21/introducing-the-aws-command-line-interface/
[20:31] <lifeless> hallyn: this gets you a good trace from the script:
[20:31] <lifeless> set -e
[20:31] <lifeless> exec 2>&1 1>/run/cgroup.debug
[20:31] <lifeless> exec 2>&1 1>>/run/cgroup.debug
[20:31] <lifeless> set -x
[20:31] <smoser> that'd be nice to have.
[20:33] <lifeless> hallyn: all in the bug
[20:40] <hallyn> lifeless: thanks
[20:42] <hallyn> lifeless: this is ridiculous!  :)  so they are being mounted at boot?  but /sys perhaps gets remounted over the result?  what else is in /etc/init and /etc/init.d?
[20:44] <lifeless> hallyn: in bug
[20:50] <hallyn> lifeless: dpkg -l | grep cgroup-bin ?
[20:51] <lifeless> dpkg -l | grep cgroup-bin
[20:51] <lifeless> ii  cgroup-bin                                0.38-1ubuntu1                              amd64        Tools to control and monitor control groups
[20:52] <hallyn> lifeless: any chance you could purge that and see if it's fixed?
[20:52] <lifeless> hallyn: sudo apt-get purge cgroup-bin ?
[20:52] <lifeless> lol yes
[20:52] <lifeless> doing
[20:52]  * hallyn tries installing it here to see what I get
[20:54] <hallyn> lifeless: in fact cgroup-bin no longer ships the init.d files
[20:54] <hallyn> my guess is a package upgrade didn't remove those (bc they're conffiles)?
[20:55] <lifeless> hallyn: \o/
[20:55] <hallyn> phew
[20:55] <lifeless> hallyn: need a conflicts ?
[20:55] <lifeless> or breaks?
[20:55] <hallyn> lifeless: or something.  yeah.  it didn't occur to me that the /etc/init/ files would not get deleted.  That was supposed to be the fix.
[20:56] <hallyn> lifeless: actually this really sucks, bc the whole point was to NOT have to remove the pkg
[20:56] <lifeless> hallyn: well, it was ii, not cc
[20:56] <hallyn> but breaks/replaces won't help, since that still won't cause the initscripts to be replaced
[20:57] <lifeless> ah fair enough
[20:57] <hallyn> lifeless: if you now apt-get install cgroup-bin, it should all be fine
[20:57] <lifeless> issue with putting too much logic in the init scripts
[20:57] <hallyn> (some ppl want its admin tools)
[20:57] <lifeless> you could update the init scripts to call /bin /sbin stuff
[20:57] <lifeless> or update them to be empty
[20:57]  * lifeless speculates heaps :0
[20:57] <hallyn> lifeless: in cgroup-bin you mean?
[20:58] <hallyn> yeah i think that's the best idea, thanks.
[20:58] <lifeless> yeah. Make them harmless.
[20:58] <lifeless> if someone has removed the package but not purged, they will still have issue
[20:58] <lifeless> but folk with the package installed will get the update
[20:59] <hallyn> lifeless: can i repurpose yoru bug for this? :)
[21:01] <lifeless> hallyn: sure
[21:01] <lifeless> hallyn: I'm happy, I might unsubscribe ;)
[21:01] <hallyn> lifeless: lol  thanks much, ttyl
[21:01] <lifeless> hallyn: *thank you*
[21:06] <Daviey> adam_g: hey, can i just check you didn't do anything with CA Grizzly status page?
[21:20] <renegade_ray> I'm banging my head on this one. I'm running 3.0.0-24-server and am trying to clear out the /boot but when I run apt-get purge on one of the installed kernels I get an error "Depends: linux-image-3.0.0-29-server but it is not going to be installed" but when I try to install 3.0.0-29-server there is a device full error because /boot is full. Anyone have a suggestion?
[21:24] <sarnold> renegade_ray: sometimes the Right Answer is to remove the package that Depends upon the package that isn't installed and isn't going to be installed.
[21:25] <sarnold> renegade_ray: it can sometimes be difficult to figure out exactly what you want.. but perhaps dpkg --purge is an easier tool to use until you've cleared some space
[21:30] <renegade_ray> OK, I'll give that a try. Thanks
[21:45] <renegade_ray> Used aptitude to clear out bad dependencies. Able to clear out /boot and now running apt-get upgrade with no errors. Thank you.
[22:10] <adam_g> Daviey: what do you mean?
[22:12] <paco1> hello masters!
[22:13] <paco1> i have a question with the dns: how to reduce the time to send my zones between the master dns server and the slave dns server?
[22:13] <paco1> thanks in advance!
[22:17] <sarnold> paco1: I think you're looking for the "refresh value": http://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/networking_2ndEd/dns/ch08_04.htm
[22:24] <adam_g> Daviey: thought you were going to setup the cronjobs to get the reports generated. i can do it, but can't seem to find where the folsom jobs are
[23:22] <SpaceBass> hey folks
[23:22] <SpaceBass> I've got a static IP set in /etc/network/interfaces and it will work for about 12 hours, but always reverts back to a DHCP address - this is 12.04, never had this problem before
[23:23] <SpaceBass> http://pastebin.ca/2300251
[23:24] <sarnold> SpaceBass: do you have a dhcpcd or network manager running?
[23:24] <SpaceBass> sarnold, not on this box
[23:26] <mikeey> I don't know if this question will fit in here or if I should take it to #Netfilter, however; can you get past an iptables firewall?
[23:26] <mikeey> if everything is locked down, can you get past it
[23:31] <SpaceBass> mikeey, are you asking how secure it is?
[23:32] <mikeey> I am asking whether there is any possibility to get past the firewall if it is configured correctly with all ports closed; so yes
[23:32] <SpaceBass> mikeey, I think it's generally regarded to be strong, with two caveats: correct configuration and exploits
[23:32] <SpaceBass> and those are two big "ifs"


[04:58] <noobest> Hello.
[04:59] <noobest> Hello, anybody can help me installing ubuntu studio?
[05:02] <noobest> Ok...
[08:49] <west> hi
[08:50] <west> im useing ubuntu studio 13.o4 and swap is not turning on at all. I think that might be affecting playback of mp4 files just under 2gb transfered from my android. Help.
[08:54] <zequence> west: Ubuntu Studio has reduced swappiness, but it's not turned off. Using swap makes the system very slow, which is why it should only need to be used when there's no more space in RAM
[08:55] <west> vlc only plays for a second before freezing video but not audio. cpu and mem are maxed out at this point.
[08:56] <zequence> memory is maxed out? How much RAM do you have?
[09:05] <west> 874 mb
[09:07] <zequence> west: That's a bare minimum to use for Ubuntu Studio. Not strange that you are having problems
[09:07] <zequence> west: What kind of video file is it?
[09:07] <zequence> And what sort of CPU is it? P4?
[09:07] <west> xzine play the video but the audio cuts off after a couple of seconds
[09:10] <west> AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-34
[09:11] <west> dose that help?
[09:12] <zequence> west: If I were you, I would try a really basic desktop environment. One of my personal favorites is awesome. Once you learn some shortcuts, it's really useful. And doesn't require much memory
[09:12] <west> it's a presario v5000 compaq. i'm pretty sure it's dual core.
[09:13] <zequence> west: in a termina: lscpu
[09:14] <zequence> "CPU(s)" will tell you how many cores
[09:16] <zequence> From what I can see, it's a single core processor
[09:16] <west> cpu(s)       1
[09:16] <zequence> Yeah
[09:16] <west> your rights not dual core.
[09:17] <west> im looking to install this awesome.
[09:17] <west> sounds cool.
[11:55] <cub> I'd like to create my own wallpaper for Ubuntu Studio and wonder if the logo is available somewhere official?
[11:55] <zequence> cub: We have some of the artwork in a bzr branch. let me find it
[11:56] <zequence> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-resources/art
[11:56] <zequence> cub: To get it, make sure bzr is installed
[11:56] <zequence> Then, do: bzr branch lp:~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-resources/art
[11:57] <cub> excellent, thanks
[11:57] <zequence> the folder will be called "art"
[12:08] <millerthegorilla> what is mode+i?
[12:10] <millerthegorilla> mode+i
[12:12] <millerthegorilla> hey, I've been having problems with pulseaudio since upgrade from 12.10 to raring (I can't remember if I used upgrade or installed from disc).  I notice that the pulseaudio daemon is being started in init as a systemwide instance and no users have been added to the pulse group or the pulseaccess group which I read can be a security risk.  Can you let me know if this is ok?
[12:15] <millerthegorilla> hey, I've been having problems with pulseaudio since upgrade from 12.10 to raring (I can't remember if I used upgrade or installed from disc).  I notice that the pulseaudio daemon is being started in init as a systemwide instance and no users have been added to the pulse group or the pulseaccess group which I read can be a security risk.  Can you let me know if this is ok?


[20:06] <mup> Bug #1866234 opened: [Feature] Remote rackd <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1866234>