[00:11] <dmcglone> I'm back. Gnome is pissing me off
[00:14] <dmcglone> I've entered my e-mail address and password like 30 times now and ubuntu one will not work
[00:14] <dmcglone> I've rebooted at least 3 times and also logged out about 10 times
[00:16] <dmcglone> all I originally wanted to do was change my ubuntu one password so I don't have to enter my password when I login
[00:33] <dmcglone> anyone here record their desktop?
[00:35] <dmcglone> never mind I found screen cast
[01:09] <deejoe> dmcglone: I <3 recordmydesktop
[01:09] <thafreak> I <3 pida
[01:11] <thafreak> when you fire up pida (it's a minimalistic IDE), it says "Pida is starting, and it loves you"
[01:11] <thafreak> More software needs to tell me it loves me
[01:18] <dmcglone> deejoe: thats what It is. Now I need to figure out how to encode the file from .ogv to something youtube reconizes
[01:20] <dmcglone> it will play in totem, but not youtube
[01:24] <scooter2> Hello! Anyone have perl knowledge?
[01:34] <scooter2> Nevermind. Figured it out.
[01:37] <deejoe> that was easy
[01:38] <deejoe> dmcglone: yeah, I jfgi to find some recipe at some point, but I'll be dipped in carmel if I remember where I put it
[01:40] <dmcglone> I think I found something
[01:40] <dmcglone> mencoder -idx input.ogv -ovc lavc -oac mp3lame -o output.avi
[01:42] <deejoe> looks reasonable
[01:43] <dmcglone> it seems to be working
[01:43] <deejoe> trying it first on something short, I hope :)
[01:44] <dmcglone> lol
[01:44] <dmcglone> :-/
[01:44] <deejoe> ohgnoes
[01:44] <dmcglone> it's done
[01:44] <dmcglone> wow that was fast
[01:44] <deejoe> and the verdict is?
[01:44] <dmcglone> 13 minute video I belive
[01:44] <dmcglone> let me look
[01:45] <dmcglone> hang on, have to install software for avi
[01:46] <dmcglone> bingo! it works great
[01:46] <dmcglone> now I'll show you the video I made
[01:46] <dmcglone> let me upload to youtube
[01:47] <canthus13> Whee. I just hauled home another old computer...
[01:47] <dmcglone> what you gonna use it for/
[01:48] <dmcglone> ?
[01:48] <canthus13> Parts, most likely.
[01:48] <dmcglone> I just pitched 2 olds ones
[01:48] <canthus13> There's no memory, no drives in it.
[01:48] <dmcglone> video is uploading at the moment
[01:48] <canthus13> it's an Athlon 1700+
[01:49] <dmcglone> nice, is the processor still there?
[01:49] <canthus13> Yup.
[01:49] <dmcglone> thats worth putting together
[01:49]  * canthus13 will throw some ram in it and see what happens.. Should be able to boot a live CD.
[01:49] <dmcglone> true
[01:53] <dmcglone> yo Unit193PPC!
[01:53] <dmcglone> well hello Cheri703, just noticed you are here now
[01:54] <dmcglone> Ok everyone, here's a video of my fight with Ubuntu One
[01:54] <dmcglone> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEA5EX73mKg
[01:58] <dmcglone> I think I just found my calling! I think I'll start making Ubuntu video tutorials
[01:58] <canthus13> so.. Ubuntu One is broken. what's new?
[01:59] <dmcglone> it has been working for a while now, and I decided to change my password like Cheri703 suggested last week so I wouldn't have to enter it after I logged in, so I went with a blank password as was suggested and now I can't connect at all
[02:00] <dmcglone> I'm referring to the stupid gnome keyring
[02:00] <canthus13> ah. I use dropbox. it works just fine for me.
[02:01] <dmcglone> it's idiotic to have to log in once to start gnome then once for other stuff
[02:01] <dmcglone> dropbox doesn't support contact sync :-/
[02:02] <dmcglone> I used dropbox for a couple days
[02:03] <canthus13> Ah. Contact sync doesn't matter to me. I just need someplace to stash files that I need everywhere.
[02:04] <dmcglone> my contacts are my most important thing
[02:05] <dmcglone> I hate to lost my contacts on my phone
[02:05] <dmcglone> loss that is
[02:05] <dmcglone> lose I mean
[02:05] <dmcglone> dang
[02:05] <canthus13> Heh.
[02:05] <deejoe> I now what you mean
[02:05] <deejoe> no
[02:05] <deejoe> know, I mean
[02:05] <deejoe> dang
[02:05] <deejoe> ;-)
[02:06] <dmcglone> I drop my phone a lot, so I always sync my contacts via bluetooth incase my phone breaks
[02:06] <dmcglone> lol deejoe
[02:07] <dmcglone> I also get reminders of my family's birthdays so I don't look like the birthday grinch
[02:08] <dmcglone> anybody here like to sing karaoke?
[02:09] <canthus13> Ew.
[02:10] <dmcglone> ok  well know anyone that does?
[02:10] <canthus13> Uh... no.
[02:10] <canthus13> Well, my wife sometimes... if she's been drinking.
[02:10] <dmcglone> because I make karaoke disks on my computer. I think I'll make that my first Ubuntu/linux tutorial
[02:11] <dmcglone> :-)
[02:11] <dmcglone> we sing karaoke here a lot
[02:11] <dmcglone> my kids love karaoke
[02:12] <thafreak> ugh, dealing with group project members makes me want a christmas ale...
[02:12] <thafreak> but last night I had some and fell asleep at the keyboard
[02:13] <dmcglone> you drank too much dang man! ;-)
[02:13] <dmcglone> is it a Habitual process to leave and enter a room?
[02:14] <dmcglone> oh I guess you all got join/part off
[02:15] <Unit193> dmcglone: You have to say that when he is here.... ;)
[02:15] <dmcglone> think I wouldn't?
[02:15] <thafreak> you can turn join/part off?
[02:15] <dmcglone> in some IRC clients you can
[02:15] <dmcglone> I just close my eyes.
[02:15] <thafreak> but sometimes, those are the only messages in here :)
[02:16] <dmcglone> true, we can be a bit on the quiet side
[02:17] <Unit193> I love it when people have IRC seizures....
[02:18] <dmcglone> hows that go?
[02:19] <Unit193> when they go in and out a ton (quickly is better)
[02:21] <dmcglone> wouldn't they get kicked if they did that?
[02:21] <Unit193> I guess not....
[02:22] <dmcglone> I guess that was the AOL days... LOL
[02:25] <Unit193> dmcglone: Do you go to all the U-Hour?
[02:27] <dmcglone> no Unit193 It's hard for me to make it and I'm not too fond of the location
[02:27] <Unit193PPC> panera?
[02:28] <dmcglone> yeah, but it's on OSU campus. too hard to access
[02:28] <thafreak> What if we had *NINJAS*?
[02:28] <dmcglone> I'd be kickin someones but thats what! ;-)
[02:28] <Unit193PPC> then we wouldn't know it
[02:29] <canthus13> Mmm... ninjas. yum.
[02:29] <dmcglone> my spelling is crappy tonight
[02:33] <dmcglone> Unit193 why the name change so often?
[02:36] <Unit193PPC> PPC?
[02:36] <Unit193PPC> PPC = pocket pc
[02:36] <dmcglone> Ah I see
[02:42] <BiosElement> LOL
[02:42] <BiosElement> EU Cell carriers want to force google to pay them to serve data
[02:43] <BiosElement> In other news, I will soon be asking my electric company to compensate me for the use of my extension cables.
[02:43] <dmcglone> huh?
[02:43] <dmcglone> how is that possible?
[02:43] <BiosElement> http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/12/european-carriers-hope-to-extract-wireless-fees-from-apple-google.ars
[02:44] <dmcglone> Ok that threw me for a loop. I have no clue how your gonna accomplish that
[02:44] <BiosElement> I have no idea either. :)
[02:44] <BiosElement> But if EU carriers can do it, I'm sure I can figure something out ;)
[02:44] <dmcglone> gotcha
[02:45] <dmcglone> I guess I'll make the cable companies compensate me for the channels I don't watch
[02:45] <BiosElement> Be sure to charge them for the electric your TV uses too
[02:45] <BiosElement> I mean it's only fair ;)
[02:45] <dmcglone> yup
[02:46] <BiosElement> Funny thing is ISP's make plunty of money, cell companies even more
[02:46] <dmcglone> and I'm gonna charge the electric company for each receptacle I have in my house that enables them to provide me service and still charge me
[02:47] <BiosElement> Good idea!
[02:47] <BiosElement> You should probably see about charging them for the time it takes you to watch TV too, since they're wasting your otherwise productive time >.>
[02:47] <dmcglone> I'll even charge them for the bulbs and lamps and ceiling fixtures
[02:47] <BiosElement> I swear these idiots make the MPAA/RIAA look san...less insane anyway
[02:48] <dmcglone> haha
[02:48] <BiosElement> Yeah, I have no sympathy for record companies, but negative sympathy for Cell providers >.>
[02:49] <dmcglone> I'm gonna charge the plumbing company for each gallon of perfectly good water my toliet wastes when flushing
[02:49] <BiosElement> lol
[02:49] <BiosElement> Make them buy you a new toilet
[02:49] <dmcglone> yeah an energy efficient toliet
[02:49] <dmcglone> LMAO
[02:50] <BiosElement> BTW am I the only one who fails to see why the KKK is allowed to use paypal/visa/mastercard but wikileaks is not? >.<
[02:50] <BiosElement> I still find that amazing
[02:50] <dmcglone> because PayPal doesn't discriminate....haha
[02:51] <BiosElement> BTW paypal exec was dumb enough to go talk to the news
[02:51] <BiosElement> He said "State Dept. contacted us, said it was illegal. so we took it down."
[02:51] <BiosElement> Since when is the State Dept. a courtroom?
[02:51] <dmcglone> when was having money illegal?
[02:51] <BiosElement> Apparently always heh
[02:52] <dmcglone> and doesn't paypal operate in other countries?
[02:52] <canthus13> paypal is based in the US.
[02:52] <BiosElement> They're worldwide, based in the US
[02:52] <BiosElement> They're also a joke of a company so it doesn't suprise me
[02:52] <dmcglone> do they serve other countries?
[02:52] <thafreak> i *HATE* .Net and visual studio...
[02:53] <BiosElement> Yes
[02:53] <canthus13> they're still based in the US, therefore subject to US jurisdiction.
[02:53] <BiosElement> Only useful thing about paypal actually
[02:53] <thafreak> I think it's making people *dumber*
[02:53] <dmcglone> thafreak: we hate M$
[02:53] <thafreak> yes, but especially visual studio
[02:53] <BiosElement> canthus13, If they were a responsible company they'd require a court order. It'd take all of an hour IF they actually could get a judge to sign off on it
[02:54] <dmcglone> hell Microsoft never could get C and C++ right anyway
[02:54] <thafreak> I meet more "programmers" who think they can handle anything, and end up not actually knowing how to do anything that there isn't a button in visual studio for
[02:54] <BiosElement> lol
[02:54] <BiosElement> thafreak, True.
[02:54] <thafreak> but they insist on using it
[02:55] <dmcglone> they don't insist, they twist your arm and FORCE you to use it
[02:55] <thafreak> the ammount of time *I've* spent helping them figure out how to use their precious IDE, they could have learned python
[02:55] <BiosElement> On that topic, google's just as bad >.>
[02:55] <dmcglone> I hope your getting paid
[02:55] <thafreak> nope for a friggin class
[02:55] <BiosElement> I tried to patch a bug in a f/oss android app, spent 3 hours and still couldn't get it working
[02:55] <thafreak> my LAST class
[02:55] <dmcglone> BiosElement: do you use google?
[02:55] <BiosElement> dmcglone, Sure, all the time.
[02:56] <thafreak> I haven't seen a google tool make people dumber though
[02:56] <dmcglone> I was wondering if you had a beef with them after that last statement
[02:56] <thafreak> lazy maybe, but not dumber
[02:56] <dmcglone> what tools we referring to here?
[02:56] <BiosElement> dmcglone, Nah, just annoyed with their android dev system a bit
[02:56] <BiosElement> dmcglone, eclipse and their confusing as hell docs
[02:57] <thafreak> but atleast their IDE doesn't give you the illusion you're better than you are :)
[02:57] <dmcglone> Oh. I gotta say I don't use any google tools
[02:57] <thafreak> you have to *WORK* to be good with it :)
[02:57] <BiosElement> ahaha
[02:57] <thafreak> not click click, look I'm a programmer...
[02:57] <dmcglone> click click look /me is a programmer
[02:58] <dmcglone> darn!
[02:58] <dmcglone> why doesn't that work in the middle of a sentence
[02:58] <thafreak> haha, actually, try ubuntu "quickly" some time...almost click clic, look i'm a programmer :)
[02:58] <canthus13> I know what I'm gonna do with that machine. I'm gonna throw Damn Vulnerable Linux on it.
[02:58] <dmcglone> stupid IRC programmers had to make my life complicated
[02:58] <dmcglone> ;-)
[02:58] <canthus13> Then I'm gonna beat up on it.
[02:59] <thafreak> canthus13: what machine?
[02:59] <canthus13> ...but I need a mouse first.
[02:59] <canthus13> thafreak: An old XP 1700+ with no hard drive.
[02:59] <dmcglone> canthus13: call billy the exterminator he'll get you a mouse
[02:59] <dmcglone> ;-)
[02:59] <thafreak> haha, I have some of those :)
[02:59] <canthus13> Heh.
[03:00] <thafreak> XP 1700 ish's not mice
[03:00] <canthus13> thafreak: I rescued it from being tossed out.
[03:01]  * canthus13 needs to go burn a copy of DVL to a DVD and boot it up.
[03:01] <thafreak> I think I might toss mine out
[03:01]  * dmcglone has already tossed 2 out
[03:01] <thafreak> I think the ata controller is bad on the mb... :/
[03:01] <canthus13> thafreak: toss the motherboard, strip it for parts.
[03:02] <thafreak> ha! What am I going to do with an XP 1800+ cpu? No one makes MB's for it anymore!
[03:02] <thafreak> And the ram is ECC...which most older boards didn't take
[03:02] <canthus13> thafreak: I keeps the stuff around for repairs.
[03:02] <thafreak> maybe...I need to reduce the number of machines running 24/7 in my basement
[03:03] <dmcglone> you should still be able to find a board for the 1800
[03:03] <thafreak> actually, I may have 2 :)
[03:03] <canthus13> thafreak: nforce2 motherboards should work just fine for that processor.
[03:03] <thafreak> have 2 other machines that won't power on, but ps tests good...
[03:03]  * canthus13 has 2 of 'em right now... a 1700+ and a 2000+
[03:04] <dmcglone> I'm pretty sure the bus's on a newer mother board could handle the 1800
[03:04] <thafreak> I may have a duron 1100 too :) beat that
[03:04] <canthus13> the bus, maybe.. but not the socket.
[03:04]  * canthus13 has a Duron 600 around somewhere.
[03:04] <thafreak> damn
[03:04] <canthus13> And a P3 500 Slot 1
[03:05] <thafreak> P2 450 slot 1
[03:05] <canthus13> Nice. :)
[03:05] <thafreak> or 350 maybe
[03:05] <dmcglone> shouldn't the sockets all be the same anyhow?
[03:05] <canthus13> no
[03:05] <dmcglone> from one manufacturer to another?
[03:05] <thafreak> socket 7 for the duron and xp's yeah
[03:06] <canthus13> Socket 7 procs won't fit in AM2/AM2+/AM3 sockets...
[03:06] <dmcglone> them are AMD
[03:06] <BiosElement> I should be paid just to start discussion in here
[03:06] <dmcglone> but Socket 7's are long gone anyhow aren't they?
[03:06] <canthus13> newer processors typically add more pins, so won't run on motherboards that don't support the pinouts.
[03:07] <dmcglone> right, but isn't the 1800 pretty fairly new
[03:07] <canthus13> dmcglone: No. it's a Socket 7 proc.
[03:07] <dmcglone> ah ok
[03:07] <canthus13> AMD XP 1800+
[03:07] <dmcglone> that explains it
[03:08] <thafreak> even the newer barton based 2500 and 2800 were still socket 7 I think
[03:08] <canthus13> What was funny is that the Slot 1 and Slot A processor slots were identical, just reversed from each other.
[03:08] <dmcglone> I should charge the DSL company for keeping them in business by keeping their bits and bytes moving
[03:08] <thafreak> I've got atlest 2 of those too :)
[03:09] <dmcglone> canthus13: thats how they screw ya
[03:09] <dmcglone> they flip out on you and it cost money
[03:09] <dmcglone> :-)
[03:09] <canthus13> dmcglone: Nah. Slot A was AMD, slot 1 was Intel.
[03:10] <dmcglone> but interchangeable nontheless
[03:10] <canthus13> nope.
[03:10] <dmcglone> if they were the same
[03:10] <dmcglone> the sockets that is
[03:10] <canthus13> the pinouts were different. they just used the same physical slot component, just oriented differently.
[03:11] <dmcglone> but if they matched up the pinouts and fixed the orientation they would be interchangeable right?
[03:11] <canthus13> Nah.  the Athlon and Pentium II/IIIs used completely different pinouts and pin functions.
[03:11] <canthus13> you couldn't match the pinouts.
[03:11]  * dmcglone is gonna charge my wife for being her husband
[03:12] <dmcglone> ;-)
[03:13] <dmcglone> Ok I'm gonna move to the bedroom. I'll be  back
[03:19] <dmcglone> back
[03:19] <Unit193PPC> welcome back dmcglone
[03:20] <dmcglone> There was just a story about Assange on the news
[03:21] <dmcglone> I didn't catch it all though
[03:21] <dmcglone> brb
[03:24] <thafreak> hate it when the batteries go out on the wireless keyboard mid typing
[03:24] <thafreak> I keep thinking my text editor is misbehaving
[03:31] <dmcglone> +1 thafreak
[03:31] <dmcglone> I always blame it on the OS freezing
[03:32] <dmcglone> which reminds me, my desktop running 10.10 has been locking up a lot
[03:32] <dmcglone> twice today
[03:33] <dmcglone> I suspect it has something to do with network config
[03:34] <dmcglone> Network Manager actually
[03:35] <dmcglone> and i just noticed a second ago, that my shares aren't showing on my laptop. I bet anything the desktop has frozen
[03:36] <dmcglone> sure enough:
[03:36] <dmcglone> david@lappy:~$ sudo mount www
[03:36] <dmcglone> [sudo] password for david:
[03:36] <dmcglone> mount: No route to host
[03:36] <thafreak> what kind of shares? Just curious...
[03:37] <thafreak> you sharing linux to linux? Or mixed OS env?
[03:37] <dmcglone> my Documents is fat32 and my www is ext3
[03:37] <dmcglone> it's linux 2 linux, but windows is able to share the Documents too
[03:38] <dmcglone> but I never boot to windows
[03:39] <thafreak> but are you sharing them with nfs, cifs, something else?
[03:39] <dmcglone> cifs
[03:39] <dmcglone> I'm using samba actually
[03:39] <thafreak> ah ok...you using the built in stuff that is part of the gui, or did you manually configure samba?
[03:40] <dmcglone> I manually set up the shares
[03:40] <dmcglone> I just went down there and my hunch was correct, the desktop was locked up
[03:40] <dmcglone> had to do a hard reset
[03:41]  * thafreak is always thinking about re-organizing his file shares
[03:41] <dmcglone> how do you do it?
[03:41] <thafreak> currently have a mix of glusterfs shares and nfs
[03:41] <thafreak> it's a mess
[03:41] <thafreak> 3 diff machines
[03:42] <thafreak> 2 are part of a gluster storage cluster...the third actually has a VM doing nfs sharing...lol
[03:42] <dmcglone> I keep my Documents folder on my 2nd hard drive and I delete the one that is installed with Ubuntu and I symlink to the one on the other drive
[03:43] <thafreak> I don't really use the folders that get pre-created...I don't create many "documents" either though...
[03:43] <dmcglone> then I save all my stuff in there and it's always accessible
[03:43] <dmcglone> I don't create many docs either, but I save all my stuff there
[03:43] <thafreak> i do something similar, but I use unison, and sync all my machines to a central location (that's actually offsite too)
[03:44] <dmcglone> My mom lives here with me and she has 2 winblows machines so I make sure my stuff is accessible on hers just in case
[03:44] <thafreak> but I have stuff I don't sync, that's really just used on individual machines...i dunno, I'm kind of a data slob...very unorganized
[03:45] <thafreak> ah, that's always important!
[03:45] <dmcglone> yup
[03:45] <dmcglone> and we have 2 printers both of them networked so we will always be able to print
[03:46] <dmcglone> I'm usually out of ink, so I just print to her printer.. LOL
[03:46] <thafreak> get a laser man
[03:47] <dmcglone> wish I could afford one
[03:47] <thafreak> I don't print much, but I bought one like almost 3 years ago, and I still haven't replaced the toner that came with it
[03:47] <dmcglone> wow
[03:47] <thafreak> afford one? The cost less than replacement ink
[03:48] <thafreak> brother lasers, even networked ones are pretty cheap
[03:48] <dmcglone> toner isn't cheap is it?
[03:48] <Unit193PPC> how long does the ink last?
[03:48] <dmcglone> for me?
[03:48] <thafreak> I think you can get an all in one with copying , network scanning, etc for around $250...probably under $200 now
[03:48] <Unit193PPC> we pprint a ton...
[03:48] <thafreak> dunno, never had to buy toner :)
[03:48] <dmcglone> it last me a while. the reason I'm usually out is because I'm a cheapskate.. LOL
[03:49] <thafreak> I think it's in the 10's of thousands of pages before you have to replace any toner
[03:49] <dmcglone> I believe it
[03:49] <thafreak> if you print alot, toner is cheaper per page
[03:49] <thafreak> well if you don't mind printing in grey scale
[03:50] <dmcglone> my friend owns a plumbing company and they have one, but trust me the toner isn't cheap
[03:50] <thafreak> oh I'm sure it isn't, but you get like 50K pages compared to a few hundred on an ink cartride
[03:50] <thafreak> and ink is RIDICULOUS expensive
[03:50] <dmcglone> thats true
[03:51] <dmcglone> actually the ink for my HP 6500 is pretty darn cheap
[03:51] <thafreak> sure you only pay $20-$40 to replace ink, and maybe toner is like $100, but it will also last you like a year or two
[03:51] <Unit193PPC> we get it for $8
[03:51] <thafreak> per color? :)
[03:52] <thafreak> my cannon was cheap like that, but it was per color...so it was still like $24
[03:52] <Unit193PPC> crtrge
[03:52] <thafreak> well that's not too bad
[03:52] <Unit193PPC> refill
[03:52] <dmcglone> where at Unit193PPC
[03:53] <thafreak> I just know i *hate* printers, but especially inkjets...they never seem to work when I want them to
[03:53] <Unit193PPC> crtrge world
[03:53] <dmcglone> thafreak: my printer also uses 3 seperate ones for color
[03:53] <dmcglone> snack time :-)
[03:53] <Cheri703> I hate my hp printer
[03:54] <Cheri703> I want to get a laser, ideally a color laser, but $$$
[03:54] <Unit193PPC> Cheri703 do you get refills?
[03:55] <thafreak> color laser? why?
[03:55] <Cheri703> for the hp? I get reman'd cartridges
[03:55] <Cheri703> because I want color prints that are better quality than inkjet
[03:55] <thafreak> they're a waste...cost too much, take forever to print...blah...it's not like they print good pictures or anything
[03:55] <Cheri703> not for photos
[03:55] <Cheri703> for other things
[03:55] <thafreak> what's wrong with grey scale :)
[03:55] <Cheri703> and it depends on what color laser's you're using, some are REALLY good quality
[03:56] <Cheri703> if I'm printing brochures/business cards/flyers/whatever for my fledgling business, I'd rather print them at home than take them somewhere to be printed. I KNOW how much they're paying for prints, and paying 10+ times that is not so happy for me
[03:57] <thafreak> bah, brocures...
[03:57] <thafreak> :_
[03:57] <thafreak> :)
[03:57]  * Cheri703 definitely appreciates a good monochrome, but other people like shiny colors
[03:57] <thafreak> I hate brocures...they just end up in the trash after I get the company's URL from them...
[03:57]  * Cheri703 does black and white film photography
[03:57] <thafreak> if the company has no url, they go in the trash for good measure...
[03:58] <Cheri703> a lot of my target market is old people >.<
[03:58] <dmcglone> why Cheri703?
[03:58] <Cheri703> why what?
[03:59] <dmcglone> do you target older aged people
[03:59] <Cheri703> because they don't know how to use their computers
[03:59] <Cheri703> and for some reason little old people LOVE me
[03:59] <dmcglone> ok I see
[04:00] <Cheri703> not really sure why, but since I was younger, they think I'm wonderful when I help explain things to them. might as well make use of it :)
[04:00] <dmcglone> I thought you were speaking of your black and white film photography
[04:00] <thafreak> I throw old people in the trash too...no URL
[04:00] <Cheri703> no, that's a hobby
[04:00] <thafreak> ok, that was horrible
[04:00] <dmcglone> I thought I was missing some connection between that and old folks
[04:00] <dmcglone> lol
[04:01] <Cheri703> I have everything I need to set up a darkroom except for a space and chemicals
[04:01] <Cheri703> :(
[04:01]  * Cheri703 wants to have a darkroom
[04:01] <Unit193PPC> thafreak but a bit funny
[04:01] <dmcglone> Cheri703: turn out the lights
[04:01] <dmcglone> ;-)
[04:01] <Cheri703> not quite
[04:02] <dmcglone> so what my cousin did, paint the windows black
[04:02] <dmcglone> do
[04:02] <Cheri703> rental house with a total of 5 rooms, counting the bathroom, probalby not :)
[04:02] <Cheri703> *probably
[04:03] <dmcglone> my last statement lacked the sarcasm I intended
[04:03] <canthus13> Whee. brasero won't install in Knoppix.  K3b will, though.
[04:03] <dmcglone> my cousin is "weird" to put it nicely
[04:03] <dmcglone> brasero sucks anyway
[04:04] <dmcglone> I don't know how many CD-R's I've lost with brasero
[04:04] <thafreak> haha, I haven't had any problems with brasero
[04:04] <canthus13> I don't mind it for most stuff.   Problem I'm having is that all burns fail on this machine.. Not sure if it's the drive or something with my install.
[04:04] <thafreak> course I use wodim almost as frequently
[04:04] <BiosElement> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101207/00504912153/associated-press-chairman-signs-up-righthaven-begins-suing-bloggers.shtml
[04:05] <BiosElement> Associated Press is a joke, but we already know that. >.>
[04:05]  * canthus13 is booting knoppix off of his mp3 player so he can test it.. unfortunately, knoppix doesn't come stuck with a CD burning program, and attempting to install brasero ends in unmet dependencies.
[04:05] <thafreak> uh oh...burns failing are usualy a bad drive....course for me, it was abad sata controller I think
[04:05] <canthus13> Wasn't AP the one that was going after people for quotes as short as 3 words?
[04:06] <dmcglone> sounds like the problem I have with my laptop
[04:07] <canthus13> I need to figure it out quick. warranty on this laptop runs out in a couple of weeks.
[04:08] <dmcglone> canthus13: can you burn with k3b?
[04:09] <dmcglone> and hopefully your not using Memorex CD's
[04:11] <dmcglone> haha check this out: http://www.amazon.com/Continuos-printers-cartridge-pigment-Officejet/dp/B0033ZVPJY
[04:11] <dmcglone> looks like a blood bank
[04:12] <Cheri703> I would think that'd run into the expiration date issue that hp ink has
[04:12] <canthus13> Bah. It appears to be the drive.
[04:13] <canthus13> Well, time to reboot.
[04:13] <dmcglone> how can you tell?
[04:15] <Cheri703> I'm annoyed. I can't find a dang xp driver for this wireless card :(
[04:16] <Unit193> What card?
[04:16] <dmcglone> whats the model # on the card?
[04:16] <Cheri703> broadcom bcm 94312hmg
[04:18] <dmcglone> http://www.user-guides.co.uk/download/download/downloaddriver/download-driver-broadcom-94312hmg-xp.html
[04:18] <Cheri703> that has a crapload of unrelated links
[04:18] <thafreak> you trust those sites?
[04:19] <Cheri703> I'm #19 in dell chat queue...
[04:19] <thafreak> broadcom's site doesn't have a download?
[04:19] <Cheri703> I couldn't even find wireless support on there
[04:19] <Cheri703> woo 15 >.<
[04:19] <thafreak> oh, it's a dell? dell doesn't have an appropriate download?
[04:19] <Cheri703> they only have vista and win7
[04:19] <thafreak> lame
[04:19] <Cheri703> the laptop in question never actually shipped with xp :/
[04:20] <Cheri703> so I'm going to ask their support person if they have a driver hidden away under a different model
[04:21] <dmcglone> dang, I thought I seen the driver
[04:22] <dmcglone> ah that wasn't a link
[04:22] <dmcglone> my bad
[04:22] <Cheri703> np
[04:25] <Unit193> Cheri703: http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/pr46/pr147/broadcom_bcm94312hm.html
[04:25] <BiosElement> Yay for zdnet being anti-linux troll  central
[04:25] <BiosElement> Apparently Mark not being CEO and Matt starting another company means linux is dead
[04:25] <Cheri703> yeah, Unit193 I saw that, but no actual driver links that I could find  :/
[04:25] <BiosElement> Who knew two people were so key to the linux world ;)
[04:26] <Unit193> I'm as bad as dmcglone :(
[04:27] <dmcglone> well thanks
[04:27] <dmcglone> lol
[04:27] <Unit193> ;)
[04:27] <Cheri703> np
[04:27] <Cheri703> :)
[04:27] <Cheri703> I appreciate your efforts!
[04:27] <Cheri703> number 4 in dell queue
[04:28] <dmcglone> Cheri703: can you see if there are any other numbers on the card
[04:28] <Cheri703> did you know that the word queue is the only word in the english language (that's more than 1 letter long) that is pronounced the same with the full word, without the last two letters, or with only the first letter
[04:28] <Cheri703> also bookkeeper is the only word with 3 consecutive double letters :)
[04:28] <canthus13> hmm... bob has a DVD burner.  Now i just need to figure out how to burn a DVD iso from the command line./
[04:28] <Cheri703> I already closed it back up
[04:28] <Cheri703> that's the model number though
[04:29] <dmcglone> sometimes there are other numbers you can google that will give you clues to drivers that will work with that card
[04:30] <thafreak> canthus13: try wodim
[04:30] <dmcglone> or it might just use a 57xx series driver
[04:30] <Unit193> Like a service tag
[04:30] <Cheri703> service tag takes me to the win7/vista
[04:30] <Cheri703> I'm in dell support chat now, so we'll see
[04:31] <dmcglone> backwards compatibility my ass.. LOL
[04:32] <dmcglone> the only thing Gates was thinking of when he said that was his partner! haha
[04:33]  * canthus13 isn't gonna even bother with getting dell to replace the drive. they're not gonna ship him a drive and he's not gonna be without his laptop for two plus weeks.
[04:34] <canthus13> 40 bucks for a new one.
[04:34] <dmcglone> is it a laptop?
[04:34] <canthus13> Yep.
[04:34] <dmcglone> where did you find the drive?
[04:34] <canthus13> Oh. my dad is selling an XPS gaming laptop (3 years old) for 800 bucks.. Nice system.
[04:34] <canthus13> dmcglone: 38 and change with free shipping seems to be the going rate for them on ebay.
[04:35] <dmcglone> internal?
[04:35] <canthus13> yup.
[04:37] <dmcglone> cool just found mine for 41 bucks
[04:37] <Cheri703> "Cheri, we would not be able to get the drivers for Window XP as they are not available on the Dell site, How ever you can contact our Dell solution station at 1-888-236-3355 which is a paid support and they would be able to help you with the drivers for the computer."
   I've worked in call centers, I know how it works, that is NEVER ok...
[04:42] <canthus13> HP basically took the 200 million that nvidia gave them to repair or replace the motherboards and ran with it.
[04:42] <dmcglone> then they were required to fix it no matter what he said
[04:42] <canthus13> Cheri703: The front line grunt was very polite and nice, escalated just like he was supposed to.
[04:43] <dmcglone> wait, now why would nvidia give HP 200 million to fix HP's problem?
[04:43] <Cheri703> I'm ...firm with customer support people on the phone...AT&T tried to not honor multiple rebate/offers that were supposed to apply when I signed up for internet in columbus, I spent an hour on the phone with them, showing them their own offer fine print, finally got them to honor all of them because nowhere did it say you couldn't combine
[04:43] <canthus13> dmcglone: It turned out to be faulty solder on some of the nforce chipsets.
[04:44] <canthus13> Cheri703: I tend to do bare minimum for people who think they need to be 'firm' with me because I'm customer support.
[04:44] <dmcglone> sounds like nvidia's fault ;-)
[04:44] <Cheri703> well, I'm talking about the ones who are trying to avoid giving me something I'm due. if they're helping me with a problem, then I'm good with them
[04:44] <canthus13> dmcglone: And nvidia owned up to it, covered the costs to repair the problems.  HP did as much as possible to avoid repairing machines.
[04:45] <Cheri703> it's when they say "oh, I'm going to charge you $200 more for something because I don't think it should apply" when their info clearly states that it should, that's when I'm firm
[04:45] <canthus13> Cheri703: I save the extra charges for people who are being jerks. :) (Like the $5 charge for adding on services..)
[04:46] <canthus13> but I also don't deal with the billing/sales side of things much. I do tech support.
[04:46] <Cheri703> canthus13: I don't start out pissed, but I get there if they're not doing their job. and unlike many people, I understand where that line might be...I've been told to jump off a building and various other less fun things when I was in a call center
[04:46] <canthus13> Cheri703: I'm the same way...
[04:47] <Unit193> It's close... ;) http://members.driverguide.com/driver/detail.php?driverid=1626659&si=516477144edda594fa924b2b15b6b64f
[04:47] <dmcglone> I just bitch em out just because then hang up the phone
[04:47] <dmcglone> just kiddin
[04:47] <canthus13> the other ones that really bug me are the 'techs' that call in.  :P
[04:47] <canthus13> dmcglone: We can see your caller ID. even if you block it.   Wanna bet? ANI ignores the little flag that says 'don't look at me!'
[04:48] <canthus13> Meh.
[04:48] <dmcglone> hah
[04:49] <canthus13> The neat thing aboug CID is that it sends all the data all the time.  there's just a little flag that tells whether or not to show the information.
[04:49] <Unit193> canthus13: Not in my tests....
[04:49] <dmcglone> yeah
[04:50] <dmcglone> Ok well it's time for me to turn in.
[04:50] <dmcglone> y'all know my drill by now
[04:50] <dmcglone> lol
[04:51] <dmcglone> anyway, g'night guys I'm outta here
[04:51] <canthus13> Also, the FCC requires that all CID info be transmitted to 800 numbers, regardless of whether or not it's blocked.
[04:52] <Cheri703> wow I hate dell
[04:52] <Cheri703> I found it (I think) on their site -_-
[04:53] <Cheri703> in a different place, but still
[04:53]  * Cheri703 hearts zareason
[04:53] <Unit193> They have high prices....
[04:53] <canthus13> Ooo.. trapcall. :)
[04:54] <Cheri703> Unit193: some stuff, but overall it's good.
[04:55] <canthus13> bah. Bob's DVD burner isn't connected. :(
[04:55] <Unit193> Cheri703: Did you ever get my PM?
[04:56] <Cheri703> yeah, I saw it when I got up, is friday no good for you then?
[04:56] <Unit193> This?
[04:56] <Cheri703> yeah, that's when we'd originally discussed
[04:57] <Cheri703> tuesday and thursday next week are out for me
[04:57] <Cheri703> monday might work
[04:59] <Unit193> As long as you can stand my sister, friday will work
[04:59] <Cheri703> ok?
[05:03] <Unit193> Then that is good?
[05:03] <Unit193> canthus13: you going to use trapcall?
[05:03] <Cheri703> rawr at dell and their drivers
[05:03] <canthus13> Unit193: I don't need it, really.  But it's nice to know it's there.
[05:03]  * canthus13 has ANI at work.
[05:05] <Cheri703> can you guys look at these two links and see if there is any difference other than supported operating system? http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/download.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&releaseid=R214945&SystemID=inspiron1546&servicetag=B6P4ZJ1&os=WLH&osl=en&deviceid=16118&devlib=0&typecnt=0&vercnt=1&catid=-1&impid=-1&formatcnt=0&libid=5&typeid=-1&dateid=-1&formatid=-1&source=-1&fileid=304534  http://support.us.dell.com/support
[05:05] <Cheri703> /downloads/download.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&releaseid=R205222&formatcnt=0&libid=0&typeid=-1&dateid=-1&formatid=-1&source=-1&fileid=289030
[05:05] <Cheri703> bah, hang on
[05:05] <Cheri703> http://support.us.dell.com/support/downloads/download.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&releaseid=R205222&formatcnt=0&libid=0&typeid=-1&dateid=-1&formatid=-1&source=-1&fileid=289030
[05:05] <Cheri703> and
[05:05] <Cheri703> http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/download.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&releaseid=R214945&SystemID=inspiron1546&servicetag=B6P4ZJ1&os=WLH&osl=en&deviceid=16118&devlib=0&typecnt=0&vercnt=1&catid=-1&impid=-1&formatcnt=0&libid=5&typeid=-1&dateid=-1&formatid=-1&source=-1&fileid=304534
[05:06] <Cheri703> when I try to install the xp one, it says "no supported hardware"
[05:06] <Cheri703> >.<
[05:08] <Cheri703> aha!
[05:08] <Cheri703> might have it
[05:08] <Cheri703> we'll see
[05:09] <Cheri703> ha! I beat dell!
[05:09] <canthus13> It's a broadcom 4312 chipset for both.
[05:09] <canthus13> actually, seems to be the same dell model, too... 1397.
[05:10]  * canthus13 has that chipset in his laptop.
[05:10] <Cheri703> yeah
[05:10] <Cheri703> I went in and manually pointed device manager at the driver files (vs using their installer) and it's working now
[05:10] <Cheri703> :D
[05:15] <canthus13> hmm...
[05:15] <Unit193> Just went outside and did the run/stop and slide  :D
[05:15]  * canthus13 is attempting to write the DVD via command line on a machine in his basement.  Looks good so far. :)
[05:16]  * canthus13 just can't forget to remove the ISO from the machine when he's done.  that machine only has a 6gb hard drive...
[05:19] <thafreak> 6gb hard drive...but has a dvd burner? :)
[05:19] <canthus13> thafreak: Yeah.
[05:19] <thafreak> only canthus13
[05:19] <thafreak> :-P
[05:19] <canthus13> thafreak: I just threw the drive in there so my kid can play with it.  He's running a sauerbraten server.
[05:19] <thafreak> a who what now?
[05:20] <canthus13> thafreak: sauerbraten. It's an FPS... All linux.
[05:20] <canthus13> well, there may be a version for windows out there, but it's primarily linux.
[05:20] <canthus13> It has this neat little cooperative mode where you can actively edit the map as you play.
[05:20] <thafreak> yeah google beat you to the answer ;)
[05:20] <thafreak> interesting
[05:21] <thafreak> I like me some FPS
[05:21] <canthus13> now, I'm gonna toss the DVL DVD in that 1700+ (That has no hard drive. :) and see what I can do to it.
[05:24] <thafreak> hax0r into it man
[05:24] <canthus13> That's what DVL is for. :)
[05:25] <canthus13> It's like having windows with a bash prompt.
[05:26] <thafreak> haha, I know, you sent me the link a while back
[05:26] <thafreak> I was trying to sound leet....er, 1337
[05:27] <canthus13> Heh.
[05:27] <thafreak> /[^02-9][^124-9]{2}[0-689]/
[05:28] <Cheri703> http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/miscellaneous/6972/
[05:28]  * Cheri703 wants a few of the "geek" patches
[05:29] <Cheri703> they have a geek work shirt, but it's a men's shirt, I want to make my own
[05:29] <thafreak> night folks...
[05:29] <Cheri703> http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/golfshirts/6616/
[05:29] <Cheri703> night thafreak
[05:29]  * Cheri703 thought of the patches with the 1337 reference
[05:31] <Unit193> http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/xkcd/dabb/
[05:31] <Cheri703> yeah, I was checking that one out as well :)
[05:31] <Unit193> ^ C-Mas list :)
[05:33] <Unit193> The place that had my SSH server had lost internet (I fixed it tonight)
[05:33] <Cheri703> ah, that'll do it
[05:35] <Unit193> And I was combining wordlists too (VNC to dual core) lost it :(
[08:16] <BiosElement> Awesome...
[08:16] <BiosElement> was reading an article about Wikileaks and a town that wants to declare the dude who leaked some of the stuff a hero...
[08:16] <BiosElement> I'm reading it and finding it ironic how unbalanced it is...as I'm thinking this I scroll up and oh hey look "Fox News, Fair & Balanced"... >.>
[13:47] <canthus13> bah.  Titan had to be upgraded as he suddenly forgot how to see both NICs overnight.  Appears to be a motherboard issue as transplanting the drive to another machine got him back online. :(
[13:47] <canthus13> That's two motherboards in a week. :(
[15:25] <thafreak> canthus13, the motherboard killer
[16:30] <thafreak> Wow, you see the new atom processor, 1.8ghz now with ddr3 support
[16:30] <thafreak> http://www.logicsupply.com/products/d525mw?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=d525mwlink&utm_campaign=nw1210
[16:31] <thafreak> ha, 4GB of memory cost more than the motherboard and cpu together...
[16:31] <deejoe> I don't see any TDP there
[16:32] <thafreak> TDP?
[16:33] <deejoe> thermal dissipated power
[16:33] <deejoe> 13W
[16:33] <deejoe> http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=49490
[16:33] <deejoe> but no VT
[16:34] <thafreak> ah
[16:35] <thafreak> do you really want vt on an atom? :)
[17:43] <canthus13> No vermont?
[17:45] <canthus13> But ooo...  Wanna be next, wise guy? #AnonOps #BradAss87 #WikiLeaks"
[20:30] <BiosElement> Nice goin Anon, way to bite the hand that feeds ya
[20:34] <BiosElement> Anon tries to play the PR game but if they go after EFF there's no way they'll keep any support. >.<
[20:40] <canthus13> Is it surprising? It's Anon.  Kinda like herding mentally challenged, epileptic cats.
[20:41] <BiosElement> It is a tad suprising
[20:41] <BiosElement> Usually they're a tad more focused on the actual 'bad guys'
[20:42] <BiosElement> If they chase after EFF they're not only wasting time but they'll lose support in the process. I don't really support them but they 'do' cause people to think twice which can be a good thing at times.
[20:43] <BiosElement> Kinda good cop/bad cop only now the bad cop is yelling at the good cop >.>
[20:44] <canthus13> Nah. More like Good cop, robin hood styled psychopath.
[20:44] <BiosElement> hahaha
[20:44] <BiosElement> Accurate statement
[20:48] <canthus13> They do great stuff like busting animal abusers, then drive teenage girls to suicide.
[20:53] <BiosElement> Never heard about the second one, know about the first.
[20:59] <dmcglone> lost connection again
[20:59] <Unit193> Welcome Back dmcglone
[21:00] <dmcglone> I'm trying to fix my darn printer
[21:01] <Unit193> Did you try kicking it?
[21:02] <dmcglone> haha
[21:02] <dmcglone> I'm about to
[21:02] <Unit193> That's how I feel with the computer sometimes....
[21:02] <BiosElement> Awesome
[21:03] <BiosElement> Anon now rants about wikipedia removing their linkfarm of wikileaks mirrors >.<
[21:03] <BiosElement> Ya know, the policy that's been there for years? Yeah that was invented to censor wikileaks. :)
[21:05] <BiosElement> Apparently this is the first "Cyber War"
[21:05] <BiosElement> Who knew... >.>
[21:06] <deejoe> "'PC LOAD LETTER'! What's that?!"
[21:12] <BiosElement> Oh hey look 4chan brat arrested, ah well such a shame
[21:25] <dmcglone> anybody wanna teach me some hacking techniques :-D
[21:26] <BiosElement> I'm too busy cringing at a DDoS being called a hack >.>
[21:27] <dmcglone> are you going over to the dark side BiosElement? ;-)
[21:27] <BiosElement> lol, no. :P I don't see the point.
[21:28] <dmcglone> you can be famous like Assange! ;-)
[21:28] <BiosElement> lol, no thanks. :P
[21:29] <BiosElement> I respect the man, just like I respect RMS, but I'd never wanna be them.
[21:29] <deejoe> bah
[21:30] <deejoe> where are the arrests for the DoS against Wikileaks?
[21:31] <canthus13> deejoe: They'll happen if an ISP complains loudly enough.  they just don't make the news.
[21:33] <BiosElement> deejoe, Like germany or something
[21:34] <BiosElement> Just  a sccript kiddy tho
[21:47] <BiosElement> Yep
[21:47] <BiosElement> As expected, Anon's EFF threat is going far and wide annoying people >.>
[22:39] <dmcglone> guys, what will happen if I clean my print heads with a lint free cloth?
[22:40] <dmcglone> and a dab of water
[22:48] <canthus13> dmcglone: Use qtips and alcohol.
[22:48] <canthus13> (Not beer, silly. rubbing alcohol)
[22:48] <canthus13> water might corrode the heads.
[23:04] <dmcglone> lol
[23:04] <dmcglone> I can't seem to fix this printer
[23:07] <dmcglone> as soon as I go to print, it says "ink system failure please turn printer off then on
[23:08] <dmcglone> and it will not print
[23:09] <dmcglone> fixya.com is a crappy website!!


[00:33] <Barridus> po
[00:37] <rhin0> ran 12.04 but having to ditch it for now because x2x doesn't work from 12.04 to 10.04
[04:37] <user1> anyone here
[04:37] <rhin0> hi
[04:38] <user1> <~~ semi intoxicated and angry
[04:38] <user1> i'm trying to chang my gdm theme
[04:38] <user1> something i've done hundreds of times
[04:38] <user1> but for some reason the options have changed
[04:39] <user1> i'm running xubuntu 10.04
[04:39] <bazhang> !enter
[04:39] <bazhang> user1, thats impossible to read.
[04:39] <rhin0> gdm = "appearance"?
[04:40] <bazhang> the greeter screen? that you see for about 3 seconds?
[04:40] <user1> Sorry, first time using irc help... i created the catgirlanime GDM theme 6 years ago
[04:41] <user1> i've used it on every linux install since then but for somereason on xubuntu 10.04 i can not seem to find a way to install my theme
[04:41] <bazhang> why would you change the greeter screen hundreds of times in the first place
[04:42] <user1> gdm = gnome display manager
[04:42] <bazhang> I'm well aware
[04:42] <user1> hundreds of linux installs?
[04:42] <bazhang> so what's the issue
[04:43] <bazhang> sounds like a theme issue, to be honest. tons from gnome-look.org and the like just don't work
[04:44] <user1> there does not seem to be the usual option of setting up gdm from the gdm screen.  i've been unable to find the usual login setup options thru the system>login screen app
[04:44] <user1> No Tabs
[04:45] <user1> if you can point me in the right direction to change gdm setting i can figure the rest out... command line is fine
[04:46] <user1> google has been no help at all, even ubuntu-tweak doesn't have the right options.  my theme is a tar.bz2
[04:47] <user1> http://customize.org/ggdm/45549
[04:47] <user1> I simply have not ben able to find any optionm anywhere to change the gdm theme
[04:47] <holstein> did you add any other PPA's?
[04:48] <user1> what is a PPA?
[04:48] <holstein> this link suggests a ppa with another gui tool http://askubuntu.com/questions/36515/choosing-gdm-login-window-theme-via-gui-without-ubuntu-tweak
[04:48] <bazhang> !ppa > user1
[04:54] <user1> gdm2setup does not support themes atm
[04:54] <user1> per the gdm2setup dialog
[05:02] <user1> the second method calls an app that doesn';t seem to exist
[05:03] <user1> user1@Computer1:~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts$ sudo apt-get install gdmsetup
[05:03] <user1> Reading package lists... Done
[05:03] <user1> Building dependency tree
[05:03] <user1> Reading state information... Done
[05:03] <user1> E: Couldn't find package gdmsetup
[05:03] <user1> what am i missing
[05:03] <user1> has theme switching been removed from gdm?
[05:06] <rhin0> try ubuntu forums I mean - post a message now - go to sleep - wake up maybe there'll be an answer - file it under "desktop"
[05:06] <rhin0> I put my problem there tonight
[05:06] <user1> i'll deal with it tomorrow
[05:07] <rhin0> all i'm saying - leave the message now
[05:07] <rhin0> efficient
[05:07] <user1> there was a time in the linux community when those online at this time of night knew something
[05:07] <rhin0> www.ubuntuforums.org
[05:07] <rhin0> well its xubuntu - fewer users
[05:07] <rhin0> obscure problem really
[05:07] <user1> but to be honest, this may be only the 10th time in 20 years that I have asked for help
[05:08] <rhin0> well there you go
[05:08] <user1> i've become a slackware user in recent years because slackware just doesn't get in the way
[05:09] <user1> but i wanted to be lazy and not have to set everything up myself.  thought maybe this one time ubuntu would save me some trouble
[05:10] <user1> anyway, thanks for the attempt guys.  i'll deal with it tomorrow
[05:16] <onizu> hi
[05:21] <laite> !hi | onizu
[05:21] <onizu> :)
[05:22] <onizu> ok, have fun all
[07:58] <panda-kun> привет всем
[08:00] <xubuntu872> hi there
[08:00] <xubuntu872> does anyone know how to make hibernation work on xubuntu?
[08:04] <Sysi> http://askubuntu.com/questions/94754/how-to-enable-hibernation-in-12-04
[08:06] <xubuntu872> @sysi: thanks!
[08:07] <Sysi> xubuntu872: np
[08:14] <xubuntu872> it says "This utility may only be run by the root user."
[08:14] <xubuntu872> but i am the root user
[08:16] <Sysi> xubuntu872: actual root or user with sudo-rights?
[08:17] <xubuntu872> user set to admin
[08:18] <xubuntu872> how do i check in terminal which rights a user has?
[08:19] <Sysi> unless it's username "root" it's regular user or user with sudo
[08:19] <Sysi> I don't use hibernation but you may need to run pm-hibernate with sudo too
[08:32] <xubuntu872> tried sudo pm-hibernate, and it worked! now i will do the rest from the link u sent, many thanks! xubuntu/linux is awesome :))
[08:38] <recon69_lap> got an odd one, xScreenSaver has popped up twice asking for me to log in, this is weirding me out as it was never set to ask for a password and has only done it twice
[08:41] <recon69_lap> was set to random screen saver, might be it
[08:49] <xubuntu872> hibernation works now, but is very slow going into and starting back up...is there any way to make it faster?
[08:50] <Sysi> get ssd, or use suspend instead of hibernation
[08:51] <xubuntu872> i mean it takes a minute to go into and also a minute to get up again, i guess this is something w my system?
[08:52] <Sysi> hibernate usually isn't very fast (don't mix it with suspend), but of course there can be driver issues too
[08:53] <xubuntu872> w windows, ahem, it takes seconds, and because everything is usually so fast w xubuntu, i assume it is because of my system, and would be happy to adjust, if i only knew where/what?
[08:55] <Sysi> IIRC windows uses hybrid, it suspends so you can get up&down quickly and hibernates that you survive power loss too
[09:01] <xubuntu872> what is "IIRC windows"
[09:01] <laite> IIRC = If I recall correctly
[09:02] <xubuntu872> could not find anything in google or ubuntu sw ctr
[09:50] <xubuntu872> u must have had quite some fun when i naively went for iirc windows instead of "if i recall correctly" my bad ;)
[09:51] <xubuntu872> thanks for all ur help :)
[10:15] <pimperle> i tried to release-upgrade my desktop pc to precise (from oneiric) and now it says the upgrade failed and my system might be unusable.
[10:15] <pimperle> this is in german so i don't know the exact phrase though.
[10:16] <pimperle> i've looked at the logfiles in /var/log/dist-upgrade but so far i cannot tell what went wrong
[10:16] <pimperle> what should i do next?
[10:16] <knome> take backups, if you already didn't
[10:16] <pimperle> i'm afraid that rebooting / exiting my session will render the system unusable
[10:16] <pimperle> i did / regularly do
[10:16] <pimperle> but only of /home and /etc
[10:17] <pimperle> i did an upgrade to latest packages of oneiric before the release-upgrade
[10:17] <pimperle> so this should have been the "normal" upgrade use case
[10:17] <pimperle> :(
[10:18] <knome> yeah... but upgrades can always go wrong :/
[10:18] <pimperle> for me they usually do
[10:18] <pimperle> i really don't know why
[10:18] <knome> anyway, if you have backups, i'd say try to upgrade all the packages you can now and then try to boot
[10:18] <knome> sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade for example
[10:19] <knome> and maybe run sudo apt-get update first
[10:19] <pimperle> ok, i'll try that
[10:19] <knome> it might be it's just some configuration that failed
[10:19] <pimperle> just running apt-get dist-upgrade threw a couple of dependency errors on me
[10:19] <knome> apt-get should tell you if there is some bigger problems
[10:19] <knome> mmh. which servers are you using?
[10:19] <pimperle> de.archive.ubuntu.com
[10:19] <knome> you might want to change to the "main" servers
[10:20] <knome> they should have the most up-to-date packages
[10:20] <pimperle> have there been any out-of-sync issues lately?
[10:20] <knome> a few possible cases
[10:20] <pimperle> are they at archive.ubuntu.com?
[10:20] <knome> yes, that's it
[10:20] <pimperle> ok, i'll try with those
[10:20] <pimperle> thanks for helping me
[10:21] <knome> no problem
[10:21] <pimperle> a lot of version mismatches show up for libdevmapper and server-xorg-video-*
[10:22] <pimperle> apt-get -f dist-upgrade seems to want to continue. is that a safe command?
[10:24] <pimperle> the xmind package seems to have a broken description (i told them 3 years ago) thus breaking dpkg and dpkg-query
[10:26] <knome> hmh
[10:26] <knome> apt-get check?
[10:26] <pimperle> i fixed the files to a point where i was able to dpkg -r xmind
[10:27] <knome> so it's just that which is broken?
[10:27] <pimperle> they lack a . in an empty line in their description. i 've told them, they ignored it
[10:27] <pimperle> maybe. right now the upgrade continues
[10:27] <knome> have you filed a bug about it?
[10:27] <pimperle> i'll get breakfast while it's running
[10:28] <pimperle> is xmind an official package? I think it is packaged by xmind themselves and i'm not sure how i told them (bugreport, email).
[10:28] <knome> ah, right
[10:28] <knome> :)
[10:28] <pimperle> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/583476
[10:28] <knome> in that case, yeah, they should fix it theirself
[13:29] <pimperle> oh dear, i have the same issue i had last time upgrading to precise: the volume indicator in the notification area is missing.
[13:29] <pimperle> last time GridCube told me to remove and re-add the notification area which brought the indicator back.
[13:29] <pimperle> this time however it didn't help
[13:30] <pimperle> the network applet is visible though
[13:30] <pimperle> is it because i don't load the gnome runtime on login?
[13:30] <pimperle> the working machine does
[13:31] <pimperle> ah, i had the wrong notification applet
[13:31] <pimperle> sry for the bugging
[16:00] <uskerine> hi
[16:00] <uskerine> I have a server with 2 HD and I would like to install Xubuntu using software RAID
[16:07] <laite> is there any downside installing 32-bit xubuntu into 64-bit machine with 4Gb RAM
[16:08] <Sysi> you can't use every bit of that 4GB
[16:08] <Sysi> so not really
[16:08] <uskerine2> how Xubuntu should be installed to use software RAID?
[16:08] <laite> well, what I've seen xubuntu manages with 2Gb just perfectly =)
[16:08] <Sysi> uskerine2: with alternate installation disk
[16:09] <Sysi> !raid
[16:09] <laite> It's just that wine seems to crash a lot with Mass Effect2, and I've narrowed problem to be with '64bit librarys on 32bit software'-range :/
[16:09] <uskerine2> so I have to download alternate installation disk
[16:09] <uskerine2> ok
[16:09] <uskerine2> thanks
[16:10] <laite> so I was wondering whether I should just install 32--bit xubuntu instead
[16:10] <Sysi> it may be possible some way with livecd but you have to search that info yourself :P alternate is probably easier
[16:12] <uskerine2> I have to install a server, I am fine with downloading alternate and using it
[16:12] <uskerine2> is it difficult?
[16:52] <uskerine2> with 1Tb HD, which partitions layout would you recommend
[16:52] <uskerine2> ?
[16:53] <pimperle> uskerine2: this totally depends on your needs
[16:53] <uskerine2> desktop system
[16:53] <pimperle> usually i go with small /boot, swap, and the rest for lvm
[16:53] <uskerine2> 20 thin clients against a single server, firefox & libreoffice usage
[16:54] <uskerine2> is it recommended to use separate /var ?
[16:54] <pimperle> then i add a system partition to the lvm with 8-16 GB
[16:54] <pimperle> for a server, a separate /var can be usefull, if space consumptious applications like mysql reside there
[16:55] <pimperle> with lvm you can resize all partitions as needed lateron
[16:55] <uskerine2> i didn't know lvm
[17:21] <martinphone> radio tray users in here?
[17:34] <hagi> Hello. I use 12.04 LTS. Can I filter which umounted removable devices are displayed on desktop? I have multiple HDD partitions that I don't want to use on this installation
[17:34] <knome> hagi, you can hide all those devices, but afaik, no filtering is possible
[17:34] <hagi> that is a shame :(
[17:35] <hagi> so when I plug in my USB stick, what kind of other tool I can use to access it if desktop utility is hidden
[17:35] <holstein> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=124445 may help
[17:46] <martinphone> how do I extract the address from a linked piece of text for 400 examples?
[17:52] <martinphone> or, from a html document
[18:31] <martinphone> how do I extract ALL url's from a file like this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[18:32] <aguitel> man wget
[18:33] <Sysi> martinphone: wrong link
[18:33] <martinphone> sorry http://paste.ubuntu.com/1020059/
[18:34] <Sysi> cat thatfile.txt | grep http > urls.txt
[18:36] <Sysi> I'm not sure how pure result will that give
[18:37] <aguitel> martinphone, if you print to pdf ?
[18:38] <martinphone> aguitel, i dont see the point of that
[18:40] <martinphone> Sysi, closer to what I need: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1020067/
[18:40] <martinphone> there are 3 sections separated by ><, I need only the second one, any idea?
[18:47] <martinphone> whats the name of the key above block/caps?
[18:50] <Sysi> tab?
[18:59] <martinphone> yes, thanks
[19:00] <martinphone> i dont know wtf I did, but there are 7 missing links for the grand total
[19:00] <martinphone> redoing it again
[19:07] <martinphone> help with geany: what do I write in replace to get rid of all return hits?
[19:22] <martinphone> how do I add url= to the beginnig of all the 500 lines of the txt I am editing with geany?
[19:28] <drc> martinphone: Did you ever thinkn about asking in #geany for help with geany?
[19:28] <martinphone> closing in: I need to add all these names http://paste.ubuntu.com/1020153/ to all these urls http://paste.ubuntu.com/1020152/ in exactly that order. I am editing it with geany
[19:29] <martinphone> yes drc , but nobody answers me there
[19:29] <martinphone> and another chatter helped me here with a command
[19:39] <Xifanie> Hello, I'm running on 12.04 but I have no clue how to change my startup applications, could someone point me in the right direction?
[19:40] <drc> Xifanie: App Menu>Settings>Settings Manager>Session and Startup>Application Autostart.
[19:41] <Xifanie> Ah thanks! :)
[19:52] <dario_> screen tearing in xubuntu 12.04...any solutions?
[20:32] <martinphone> 2 hours to solve the thing...
[20:32] <martinphone> for how long can your problems with syntax lag?
[20:33] <juancito> hi
[20:33] <juancito> somebody to talk spanish?
[20:34] <Sysi> !es
[20:35] <juancito> Thanks!!!
[20:37] <martinphone> i wouldnt say no to a spanish paella
[20:43] <vn> valenciana por favor
[20:51] <GridCube> nunca comì paella
[20:52] <martinphone> but the state of their economy makes me rethink...
[20:53] <GridCube> oh, mmm this goes to offtopic please :)
[21:34] <uskerine> hi, where can i find which DNS server is actually configured in Xubuntu 12.04?
[21:34] <Unit193> cat /var/run/nm-dns-dnsmasq.conf
[21:35] <nclm> Hi guys, I'm pretty new to linux and I think I made a bit of a mistake when installing xubuntu. Is it supposed to come with GRUB?
[21:35] <Unit193> nm-tool will also have it.
[21:35] <Unit193> Grub? Quite so, do you think it doesn't have it? Or is it just not showing up?
[21:35] <uskerine> "/var/run/dnsmasq/resolv.conf?
[21:35] <nclm> My computer is just booting to windows instead of going to it
[21:36] <nclm> I didn't pick "install xubuntu side by side with windows", though
[21:36] <nclm> I picked "Do something else" from the installer to set up my partitions
[21:36] <nclm> I guess I missed something when there
[21:36] <uskerine> unit193, i have installed dnsmasq as i need it for LTSP
[21:36] <Unit193> Should have given you the chance not to, but unless you unchecked it.
[21:36] <uskerine> and since then name resolution
[21:36] <uskerine> does not work
[21:37] <uskerine> any ideas?
[21:37] <nclm> Should I just reinstall the whole thing, or is there a quicker fix?
[21:37] <Unit193> uskerine: That'll be fun, Ubuntu uses it for something else.
[21:37] <Unit193> !grub | nclm: It has the answer here
[21:38] <nclm> I never had grub, windows was on before I installed xubuntu
[21:38] <nclm> I will look at that link, though. Thank you.
[21:38] <uskerine> Unit193, /var/run/dnsmasq/resolv.conf points to the right one, but /etc/resolv.conf points to loopback address
[21:38] <uskerine> is that right?
[21:40] <Unit193> I had siad /var/run/nm-dns-dnsmasq.conf you know...
[21:40] <Unit193> !resolvconf
[21:40] <uskerine> i don't have that file
[21:40] <Unit193> ps aux |grep dnsmasq    and see what it points to.
[21:47] <uskerine> " /var/run/dnsmasq/resolv.conf
[21:48] <uskerine> if i "cat" that file i see the right dns server
[21:48] <uskerine> however, if i ping www.yahoo.com
[21:48] <uskerine> i do not get answer
[21:48] <uskerine> if i do nslookup
[21:48] <uskerine> type "server mydnsserver"
[21:48] <uskerine> then "www.yahoo.com"
[21:48] <uskerine> y got the right answer
[21:48] <uskerine> any explanation on this?
[21:49] <uskerine> also in /etc/dnsmasq.d/ltsp.conf I have the following item:
[21:50] <uskerine> # Don't function as a DNS SErver:
[21:50] <uskerine> port=0
[23:02] <KombuchaKip> Is there any way to get play / stop / next / etc buttons in the notification area or anywhere in the panel for Rhythmbox under Xfce?
[23:12] <bazhang> !find xfce4-xfapplet-plugin
[23:13] <GridCube> KombuchaKip, isnt rhytmbox integrated into the volume indicator?
[23:14] <bazhang> http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-xfapplet-plugin
[23:15] <KombuchaKip> bazhang: Not found in precise, as you say. :(
[23:15] <KombuchaKip> GridCube: Let me check.
[23:17] <KombuchaKip> GridCube: I don't see a volume indicator in the list of panel plugins available. There is a Mixer plugin, but just for controlling volume by the looks of it.
[23:18] <GridCube> KombuchaKip, you know the icon to control volume in the panel, the one thats beside the network manager icon? and the mail icon? it integrates media players into itself when playing
[23:19] <KombuchaKip> GridCube: Can you let me know what the plugin is called? My panel looks different.
[23:19] <GridCube> KombuchaKip, its not called anything, its integrated into the plugin indicator plugin
[23:19] <KombuchaKip> GridCube: Ok
[23:20] <aguitel> is anyway to install xserver-xorg-video-intel-2.4 in 12.04 for intel graphic ?
[23:21] <KombuchaKip> GridCube: I added the Indicator Plugin to the panel, restarted rhythmbox, but it just says "No Indicators"
[23:22] <GridCube> KombuchaKip, doesnt rhythmbox have an option somewhere to add an indicator to the indicator area?
[23:22] <KombuchaKip> GridCube: I'll try installing indicator-sound
[23:22] <GridCube> KombuchaKip, it should look like this: http://frugalware.org/~devil505/blog/plugin-sound-menu-indicator-pour-exaile/?lang=en
[23:23] <GridCube> rhythmbox should be integrated ther
[23:24] <malv> how do you guys not go insane from the gtk3 move bug when using the software center or evince?
[23:24] <GridCube> who uses usc when can use sudo apt-get
[23:25] <bazhang> malv, thats not a support question
[23:25] <malv> installing humble bundle games
[23:25] <KombuchaKip> GridCube: I already have that package installed. Like I said, I added the xfce indicator plugin to my panel, but it just says "No indicators"
[23:25] <bazhang> install from the command line then
[23:26] <GridCube> KombuchaKip, well, why?
[23:26] <KombuchaKip> GridCube: ???
[23:26] <GridCube> what have you done to not having any plugin to the plugin indicator?
[23:26] <GridCube> you should have the 3 that comes with xubuntu
[23:26] <malv> do not many people use Xubuntu because I am surprised the bug hasn't been addressed
[23:26] <GridCube> malv, i never heard of that
[23:27] <malv> do you use evince?
[23:27] <GridCube> no
[23:27] <bazhang> malv, file a bug
[23:27] <GridCube> ^^^^
[23:27] <bazhang> !bugs | malv
[23:27] <malv> already have
[23:27] <malv> as always, the bug sits there unaddressed
[23:27] <bazhang> then follow up on it malv
[23:27] <bazhang> whats the buglink malv
[23:27] <GridCube> malv, go to #xubuntu-devel and paste it, complain and do something to get it fixed
[23:28] <knome> hm?
[23:28] <knome> -complain
[23:28] <knome> :)
[23:28] <GridCube> if devel people dont know about at problem then tehy wont ever fix it
[23:28] <malv> not sure if they'd be good to handle it since it seems to reside in gtk+3
[23:28]  * GridCube always complains and he stills allowed around this places
[23:28] <bazhang> malv, whats the bug link
[23:29] <GridCube> malv, you don't know till you ask
[23:29] <malv> I dont want to associate my real name with my IRC accnt
[23:29] <malv> and I post with my real identity
[23:29] <bazhang> ...
[23:29] <GridCube> ...
[23:29] <knome> in that case, tough luck really
[23:29] <GridCube> ._.
[23:29] <bazhang> malv, this is not the complaints channel
[23:29] <malv> is there a complaints channel?
[23:29] <bazhang> NO
[23:29] <knome> malv, that's /dev/null
[23:30] <bazhang> try ##unavailable
[23:30] <malv> how do things get fixed if people do not complain
[23:30] <knome> by people being elaborate on the issues they're having
[23:30] <bazhang> malv, they file bugs, and respectfully follow up on them, not waste people times complaining and doing nothing to move things forward
[23:30] <malv> tried that
[23:31] <GridCube> malv, you just said you dont want to, you are the one not wanting to paste the bugreport to the people who can fix it, i mean, man
[23:31] <bazhang> no you haven't
[23:31] <bazhang> malv, you wont even tell us the bug link
[23:31] <knome> while we want to help our users, FOSS is still "who does, decides"
[23:31] <malv> it's there in the GTK+3 package section
[23:31] <bazhang> link
[23:31] <GridCube> in any case, lets go back to real problems KombuchaKip
[23:31] <malv> yea, seems like I will have to fix it myself
[23:31] <malv> and I'll keep the fix for myself =)
[23:32] <KombuchaKip> GridCube: lol
[23:32] <GridCube> KombuchaKip, so what did you did to get rid of the plugins indicators?
[23:32] <bazhang> malv, please get on topic here
[23:32] <GridCube> did you deleted something?
[23:32] <KombuchaKip> GridCube: Who knows. I remember removing a bunch of indicator packages because they were visually "noisy" to me. But I don't know what the minimal to install back again so I can use with rhythmbox.
[23:33] <GridCube> :(
[23:33] <GridCube> well i dont know KombuchaKip you deleted part of what xubuntu is
[23:33] <GridCube> so i don't know how to help with that
[23:33] <GridCube> refixing it should be like reinstalling xubuntu-desktopn
[23:34] <GridCube>  xubuntu-desktop
[23:34] <KombuchaKip> GridCube: It's just a metapackage, as that's largely what xubuntu is. I don't want to install that deb again because it will pull all kinds of other crap that I removed and don't want.
[23:35] <GridCube> but... you are in the #xubuntu channel, and you are not using xubuntu... you are just using xfce
[23:36] <GridCube> you see the problem there?
[23:36] <GridCube> the plugin indicator is part of xubuntu. it integrates media players to control it and stuff
[23:36] <knome> KombuchaKip, using xfce-only is not officially supported - it doesn't mean we won't help with it at all - but we don't always know why problems arise
[23:37] <KombuchaKip> GridCube: No, I don't see the problem. The indicator plugin is part of xfce. Xubuntu is just a collection of xfce packages. So all I'm asking is which actual package, not metapackage, should I install.
[23:37] <knome> KombuchaKip, problems that happen with xubuntu-desktop are higher priority
[23:37] <KombuchaKip> knome: I understand.
[23:38] <knome> in addition to just a set of packages, xubuntu does provide configuration stuff too, so it's not always straightforward
[23:38] <KombuchaKip> knome: I understand.
[23:39] <KombuchaKip> knome: But all I'm asking is which deb contains the binary for the indicator support that provides rhythmbox integration?
[23:39] <GridCube> KombuchaKip, http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/xubuntu-desktop
[23:39] <KombuchaKip> GridCube: See above.
[23:39] <GridCube> KombuchaKip, see above
[23:39] <knome> KombuchaKip, i've no idea. because of what i just said, these kind of answers are not always available
[23:40] <KombuchaKip> GridCube: Yes, I asked which deb. The one you pointed to is a metapackage, as it says right on the page.
[23:40] <GridCube> KombuchaKip, according to that site you should need the indicator-sound-gtk2
[23:41] <KombuchaKip> GridCube: Thank you. I'll try that.
[23:41] <GridCube> it lists ALL the packages it install...
[23:42] <KombuchaKip> GridCube: Thanks. That is the right package.
[23:43] <GridCube> see, the link i pasted you, it had information on it, to read
[23:43] <GridCube> ;)
[23:43] <KombuchaKip> GridCube: Yes, I can see it pulls about a hundred packages. As said earlier, that's not what I wanted.
[23:43] <GridCube> note that not all the music players know how to use the sound indicator, rhythmbox should
[23:44] <KombuchaKip> GridCube: Agreed. It does.