[01:45] <blahdeblah> head_victim: I hope you don't mind if i change your links in http://ubuntu.com.au/node/82 to real links. :-)
[02:23] <ikt> ugh
[02:23] <ikt> waking up with a headache is the worst
[02:29]  * blahdeblah rubs ikt's back and offers him some virtual coffee
[02:30] <blahdeblah> ikt: Hopefully you'll get some stickers today and that will cheer you up
[02:30] <ikt> oh yeah !
[02:37] <ikt> heh
[02:37] <ikt> it has arrived!
[02:37] <ikt> yesterday apparently except when I was out and someone else grabbed it and put it aside somewhere -_-
[02:37] <blahdeblah> ikt: In good nick?
[02:38] <ikt> yeah perfect :)
[02:38] <ikt> cheers !
[02:38] <blahdeblah> bewdy
[03:15] <ikt> $512.41 owing
[03:15] <ikt> someone at vodafone has screwed something up big time
[03:15] <ikt> do I call now while absolutely fuming or cool down?
[03:15] <blahdeblah> cool down
[03:16] <ikt> I'm so sick of vodafone
[03:25] <mhall119> head_victim: I'd encourage you to add your meeting agendas in the loco-directory itself, rather than the wiki
[03:26] <mhall119> it'll allow for more re-use of that data in the future, and your using it now will help us improve this feature
[03:26] <mhall119> also, hi elky
[03:27] <mhall119> if anybody has questions about the loco-directory, all of the developers (including myself) hang out in #ubuntu-locoteams
[03:27] <mhall119> and thanks for using it
[05:35] <head_victim> blahdeblah: as to mhall's queries just so you know they're right but I just wanted to start the idea slowly before dumping it on people (I'm still working it out myself as well)
[08:07] <brez> hrm!
[08:26] <Phlosten> indeed
[08:29] <brez> Yello
[09:45] <sagaci> Evening
[10:25] <ikt> a little bit quieter than last nice
[10:29] <blahdeblah> ikt: s/nice/night/  ???
[10:30] <ikt> yup
[10:30] <ikt> alt tabbing around to many places at once :X
[10:30] <sagaci> Yes
[10:31] <blahdeblah> :-)
[10:39] <blahdeblah> head_victim: ping
[10:55] <Sydney6> hi
[10:56] <blahdeblah> Hi Sydney6
[10:56] <Sydney6> hi
[10:56] <Sydney6> can u please help me on how to Join Australian channel?
[10:56] <blahdeblah> You've already done that!  Here we are.
[10:57] <Sydney6> is it..
[10:57] <Sydney6> i want to join Gay Sydney
[10:57] <Sydney6> channel
[10:57] <nisshh> oh
[10:57] <nisshh> Sydney6, give me a sec
[10:57] <blahdeblah> No idea, sorry.  This is Ubuntu Australia.
[10:57] <blahdeblah> Try using /list to see a list of channels
[10:58] <nisshh> blahdeblah, ah no, that is a bad idea
[10:58] <blahdeblah> nisshh: How so?  I do it all the time.
[10:59] <nisshh> blahdeblah, im surprised you havent been klined, read the freenode website...
[10:59] <Sydney6> what?/
[10:59] <Sydney6> i am new to this
[11:00] <Sydney6> hey can anyone help me .. what does this mean -- you need to be identified with services
[11:00] <nisshh> Sydney6, i cannot find a sydney australia channel for gay people (no offense, i have nothing against gay people) :)
[11:01] <nisshh> Sydney6, that means your using someone elses nick and need to pick another one with this command: /nick nick_you_want
[11:01] <blahdeblah> nisshh: Not necessarily - it might just mean that you're not authenticated to nickserv
[11:01] <Sydney6> so what do i need to do..
[11:02] <nisshh> blahdeblah, if it says you NEED to be, your using anothers nick
[11:02] <nisshh> Sydney6, i just told you, run this command: /nick nick_you_want
[11:02] <Sydney6> where in this room
[11:03] <blahdeblah> sonu12: Regardless, it seems that nisshh is right, and there is not a specific channel on freenode that meets your requirements.
[11:03] <nisshh> sonu12, thats it
[11:03] <sonu12> mm
[11:03] <nisshh> sonu12, the closest i could find is ##Gay
[11:04] <sonu12> how do i connect to irc
[11:04] <blahdeblah> but that doesn't have many people
[11:04] <nisshh> and no, i dont know if that will be what you want
[11:04] <blahdeblah> sonu12: You are already connected
[11:04] <nisshh> sonu12, your connected to IRC already
[11:04] <blahdeblah> sonu12: to join a different channel, run /j #channelname
[11:04] <nisshh> blahdeblah, its a new channel according to my search
[11:04] <nisshh> blahdeblah, /j is an alias, not all clients have them
[11:05] <nisshh> use /join instead
[11:05] <sonu12> i tried.. i get message..
[11:05] <nisshh> which is?
[11:05] <sonu12> you need to be identified.
[11:05] <nisshh> yeah
[11:05] <nisshh> its a channel flag
[11:05] <nisshh> you need to register your nick
[11:05] <nisshh> one sec
[11:06] <nisshh> sonu12, see here: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[11:06] <blahdeblah> sonu12: You might also try #gaygeeks - they might be able to point you in the right direction
[11:06] <sonu12> thanks.
[11:06] <sonu12> this is where i tried to enter and i get this message..
[11:07] <sonu12> anyways i am currently in Sydney and u guys..?
[11:07] <nisshh> opposite side of the country
[11:10] <sagaci> Nsw
[11:19] <elky> sonu12, what message did you get?
[11:20] <sonu12> you have to identify
[11:21] <elky> !register
[11:21] <elky> that information will help you register and identify
[11:39] <ikt> heh
[11:39] <ikt> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=711h25l8EjQ&feature=related
[11:39] <ikt> ahaha
[11:39] <ikt> it all makes sense
[11:40] <nisshh> i have that episode on my hard drive ikt :)
[11:41] <ikt> I wish I could watch the full episodes
[11:41] <ikt> but I just can't do it
[11:41] <ikt> they have moments of brilliance but they're a bit to far apart
[11:42] <sagaci> What's that
[11:42] <nisshh> The IT Crowd sagaci
[11:42] <nisshh> TV show
[11:42] <nisshh> i have the first 3 seasons here
[11:48] <sagaci> Ah ok
[12:21] <sagaci> ...
[12:52] <ikt> hmmm
[12:55] <sagaci> Midnight
[20:01] <head_victim> blahdeblah: pong
[20:04] <head_victim> blahdeblah: just leave a msg, email or pm me if you like, I will be back this afternoon after 3pm


[07:24] <lolmaus> Please recommend an audio player that displays CUE as separate tracks.
[09:48] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:31] <soee_> good morning
[10:37] <lordievader> Hey soee_
[11:04] <victor> Hey everyone!
[11:04] <monkeyjuice> hey there victor
[11:05] <victor_> Are you all Ubuntu users?
[11:05] <monkeyjuice> all hmmm i would have to say no ;)
[11:06] <victor_> I'm new in Ubuntu
[11:06] <lordievader> victor_: Most are, perhaps.
[11:06] <monkeyjuice> well then welcome
[11:06] <victor_> Until now I used Debian
[11:06] <victor_> But I decided to try another distro
[11:07] <monkeyjuice> how is that working for you victor_
[11:07] <victor_> Very well, I love Gnome 3
[11:08]  * monkeyjuice looks to see what channel he is on ;)
[11:40] <skorpy2009> hi
[11:40] <victor> hi
[11:40] <skorpy2009> how can I host a mirror for the iso's?
[13:19] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:31] <pqatsi> who is the mantainer of kubuntu-ci and kubuntu-ppa?
[14:31] <pqatsi> (Or who to report failures)
[14:33] <Exagone313> there is no launchpad page for this?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> pqatsi, https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs#Kubuntu_Continuous_Integration_.28CI.29
[14:50] <pqatsi> BluesKaj: tks!
[14:50] <BluesKaj> pqatsi, did thst help?
[14:51] <BluesKaj> that
[14:51] <pqatsi> BluesKaj: its a good link, but does not help too much because i have a bug to report
[14:53] <BluesKaj> pqatsi, report your issue in #kubuntu-devel
[14:53] <pqatsi> BluesKaj: im in
[14:53] <BluesKaj> it's quiet in there today
[15:06] <Hv0k> plasma5 already intalled but not working. i see black screen
[15:54] <designbybeck_> I installed kubuntu-desktop on my ubuntu 14.04 setup. Everything seems to run pretty good unless it goes to sleep or is unlocked
[15:54] <designbybeck_> then kwin seems to peg out at 100% cpu and the screen goes crazy untill i login to another term and kill kwin
[15:55] <designbybeck_> then I come back to the gui and open a terminal there and start kwin and it is back to as expected
[15:55] <designbybeck_> any ideas?
[16:14] <designbybeck_> and then if I wanted to keep KDE and remove ubuntu could I do that
[16:14] <designbybeck_> as in sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop ? or am I going to run into problems
[16:31] <BluesKaj> designbybeck_, you should be fine
[16:31] <designbybeck_> in removing ubuntu-desktop?
[16:32] <BluesKaj> designbybeck_, yes
[16:33] <genii> !purekde
[16:33] <genii> Hm, Gnome
[16:33] <designbybeck_> though at this point, I might just redo the whole system, it's gone through a number of upgrades and has a lot of random stuff I'd tried here and there
[16:36] <designbybeck_> ..but I'm really happy revisiting Kubuntu! :)
[16:36] <designbybeck_> with the Numix theme!
[17:00] <designbybeck_> something odd that started back on 13.04/13.10 ish... In ubuntu anytime I tried to  open my Documents folder in Nautilus, it would freeze and then crash Nautilus. If I typed in the location bar like /Documents/myfiles/afile I could browse to those directories as expected
[17:00] <designbybeck_> It was only when I opened Documents folder itself in Nautilus. Now looking at the documents folder in Dolphin, it doesn't crash, but I see a BUNCH of .txt files that are duplicates, some have same date and time but different file sizes
[17:01] <designbybeck_> but I can't delete any of these, just says it doesn't exist when I try to delete
[17:02] <designbybeck_> SCREENSHOT: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=83024
[17:30] <Walex> designbybeck_: looks like you need a hard 'fsck' of that filetree
[17:32] <designbybeck_> Walex, how might I do that
[17:34] <designbybeck_> ...though I'll wait until I get a harddrive I can back up on ;)
[17:46] <Scunizi> I'm trying to find a package that will help me pic complementary colors for a print application.  Any suggestions?
[17:54] <designbybeck_> locally or on the web Scunizi
[17:55] <designbybeck_> I use Gpick sometimes locally
[17:56] <designbybeck_> and there are a number of cool ones on line
[19:17] <Vimar> Hi
[21:03] <ChrisMD> got some shutdown issues with kubuntu 14.10..anyone out there?
[21:05] <ChrisMD> hello
[21:50] <pilsner> hello
[21:51] <pilsner> i have som q about linux
[21:51] <pilsner> are you a bot?
[21:52] <pilsner> Is anyone alive here?
[21:53] <kass> hello pilsner
[21:55] <pilsner> Hell
[21:55] <pilsner> sorry Hello
[21:56] <pilsner> I have a disk that i only have a uuid on and no dev on can yoou help me?
[21:57] <rberg_> what does 'blkid' have to say about that uuid?
[21:59] <pilsner> i see the uuid in fstab but not in lshw or blkid
[22:02] <pilsner> and in boot there was some problem mounting the disk
[22:26] <Walex> pilsner: UUID in 'fstab' is something that *you* put in to get the disk mounted.
[22:27] <Walex> pilsner: you have to put in the right UUID. Worrying that the other tools don't find it.
[22:46] <pilsner> sorry have tryed blkid and lshw -class disk
[22:51] <rberg_> It sounds like the disk is missing
[22:51] <imbezol> pilsner: you have to run lshw with sudo
[22:52] <imbezol> pilsner: sudo lshw -class disk
[22:52] <imbezol> if it doesn't show up then check the connections
[22:52] <imbezol> same with blkid.. should show up and if not something's wrong
[22:53] <imbezol> or it doesn't have a blkid
[22:54] <imbezol> pilsner: you could also try sudo fdisk -l /dev/sd[a-z]
[23:07] <pilsner> sudo fdisk -l /dev/sd[a-z]No news, cant see the disk
[23:15] <valorie> pilsner: you might need to check the cabling and/or connections


[01:30] <Guiri> Hi guys. Should python-crypto be added as an install package to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TorrentFlux? It's not a dependency yet torrentflux errors when crypto is enabled in bittornado unless this package is installed.
[01:30] <Guiri> I found the fix on the torrentflux forum when the error popped up on my system
[15:07] <j1mc> morning, jjesse
[15:09] <jjesse> morning j1mc
[15:09] <jjesse> how are you?
[15:35] <j1mc> hey - i'm ok, you?  (sorry for the delay - i was afk)
[15:37] <j1mc> jjesse: how is the spec going with help.kubuntu.org?
[15:46] <jjesse> j1mc: I have had no response
[15:46] <jjesse> furnance repair man is hear trying to restore heat
[15:47] <j1mc> good luck w/ the furnace!
[15:48] <jjesse> thanks will probablly have to buy a new furnance soon which sucks
[15:48] <j1mc> noooo - that sucks.  $$$$
[16:10] <jjesse> yeah it does suck
[16:10] <jjesse> but there is a nice hole where carbon monoxide could leak out and with a newborn not going to have that happen
[16:10] <jjesse> anyways now that he's gone time for the day to start
[16:11] <j1mc> jjesse: right... well, have a good day.  :)
[16:14] <jjesse> j1mc: i would welcome thoughts on the spec, havent had any feedback
[16:15] <j1mc> jjesse: will do.


 And now they posted:
 > Update, found a problem. Sleep is not working for me, desktop goes back to a black screen with only a cursor. (re @RikMills: )


[08:55] <gpo> ping
[11:57] <gpo1> ping
[16:17] <gpo1> ping
[21:01] <gpo> ping
[21:03] <gpo> I just noticed that the Firefox and Thunderbird daily builds repository hasn't been updated since 19 Feb. Is this normal? Also that build versions and testing status page http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ubuntu-mozillateam seems to be down


[11:51] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:54] <penguin42> Hey BK
[11:59] <BluesKaj> Hey penguin42
[12:02]  * penguin42 wonders about putting Project Neon on - I'd like to fix some things
[12:05]  * BluesKaj stays away from neon ..wasn't a good experience for my setup
[12:06] <penguin42> when?
[12:11] <BluesKaj> a couple of yrs ago
[12:13] <penguin42> yeh but it's just current bleeding edge, so in principal that varies rapidly - and hey there's a clash in the current main SS KDE archive at the moment
[12:14] <penguin42> ( plasma-desktop and kde-workspace-data both claiming notifications-to-orgkdenotifications.upd) and plasma-widget-workspace and kde-workspace-data trying to claim JobDelegate.qml
[12:17] <BluesKaj> penguin42, yeah , conflicts , that seems familiar
[12:21] <penguin42> yeh but that's in the current main stuff so hey


[00:38] <Cheri703> dmcglone: did you ever wander back after wii'ing?
[00:53] <Unit193> Cheri703: Switching from using Win + FF + thunderbird + OO.o & MSO and some other progys
[00:54] <Cheri703> why would it be different in windows with that software if you're using the same software in linux?
[00:54]  * Cheri703 might be missing the problem here
[00:55] <Unit193> This person has 12000+ emails in the inbox alone
[00:55] <Cheri703> o.O
[00:55] <Unit193> Profiles
[00:56] <Cheri703> if using thunderbird, I'd think a simple export/import would work?
[00:56] <Cheri703> dunno
[00:58] <Unit193> Stuff like this:http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_from_Windows_to_Linux
[00:58] <Unit193> And alt apps to use
[00:58] <Cheri703> osalt .com/.org/something is good
[01:00] <Unit193> I have seen/used that... was mostly looking for guides people have used (but I can find them)
[01:00] <Cheri703> ok
[01:31] <Cheri703> I use gmail, so I don't mess with any of that stuff
[01:31] <Unit193> I also use gmail (with IMAP)
[01:32]  * Cheri703 is watching a lame 80's sci fi movie on hulu
[01:33] <Unit193> What one? (might watch SG* soon)
[01:33] <Cheri703> "steel dawn"
[01:33] <Cheri703> hulu is a smorgasbord of horrible movies
[01:40] <canthus13> I thought that was a crappy game.
[01:41] <canthus13> Wait. Patrick swayze was in that one as well as Red Dawn? Heh.
[01:41] <Cheri703> super incredibly lame thus far
[01:42] <canthus13> Water rights seemed to be a rather popular theme for a while. (Solar babies, Tank Girl...)
[01:42] <Cheri703> saw solar babies, also on hulu...
[01:42] <canthus13> Although this sounds more like a rip-off of the mad max plot.
[01:43] <canthus13> I rather liked Solar Babies...
[01:43] <Cheri703> it was...ok
[01:43] <canthus13> Several of the cast went on to do The Lost Boys.
[01:43] <Cheri703> yeah
[01:46] <Cheri703> I have a soft spot for post-apocalyptic movies
[01:46] <Cheri703> even the horrible ones
[01:47] <Unit193> Soft spot for the end of the world....
[01:47] <Cheri703> eh
[01:58] <canthus13> Unit193: Nah. THey went past the end and there was apparently more to go. :)
[02:00]  * Cheri703 gave notice at her job this evening, boss' husband just tried to call twice at 8:49pm. didn't answer
[02:01] <Unit193> Good for you? how did she take it?
[02:01] <Cheri703> dunno, emailed it :)
[02:02] <Cheri703> I'm assuming they're freaking out and pissed
[02:03] <Cheri703> boss' husband is often manipulative, sometimes a bullying jerk, so not answering at night. also told them I would only discuss over email, so really not talking about it
[02:03] <Unit193> Did you find other job options? (that sounds like a good idea)
[02:04] <Cheri703> I have a few peripheral options, nothing solid atm
[02:09] <Cheri703> so yep
[02:09] <Unit193> Did you ever end up looking at the hospital?
[02:10] <Cheri703> not yet, I meant to, been super busy with tons of stuff :/
[02:10] <Unit193> I don't think any are up anymore
[02:10] <Cheri703> ok
[02:20] <Cheri703> there is always a lot of crawling around in dirt in these movies
[02:22] <Unit193> Do you have any use for 800FSB(?) CPUs?
[02:22] <Cheri703> maybe? if you don't want it/them, I can take them off your hands ;)
[02:23] <Unit193> They are not that good 2.8
[02:23] <Cheri703> eh, I'm sure I'll find a use for them eventually. I'd like to (as I acquire parts) put together computers to donate to people/organizations
[02:30] <Cheri703> one of my dogs isn't eating much lately, and I'm trying to get him to eat, so I'm sticking food bits under his lip until he'll chew it up. he's half asleep and just laying there giving me weird looks as I do it...I'm WAY too amused by this
[02:31] <Unit193> P4 2.80/1M/800/04A
[02:31] <Cheri703> ok
[02:32] <Unit193> 4 of those and 1 1.8/256/400/1.75V
[02:33] <Cheri703> dang, where did you get so many?
[02:34] <Unit193> Junk/recycle pile
[02:34] <Cheri703> gotcha
[02:35] <Unit193> I will want to keep 2 (2.8) at most
[02:35] <Cheri703> understandable
[02:36] <Unit193> Any other comp parts that I should take out?
[02:36] <Unit193> (can't HD)
[02:36] <Cheri703> mobos are good, really any of it. how many pc's did you snag?
[02:37] <Unit193> Just parts
[02:37] <Cheri703> ah, ok
[02:37] <Cheri703> well, anything that works can be useful
[02:42] <Unit193> Anything (easy to get to) on a laptop?
[02:42] <Cheri703> ram
[02:42] <Cheri703> hdd
[02:42] <Cheri703> if there are any in it
[02:43] <Cheri703> uhm, the rest of it is pretty well integrated
[02:43] <canthus13> Ram, HDD, PCI-e cards...
[02:43] <Cheri703> cd drives
[02:43] <canthus13> Screens.
[02:43] <Cheri703> cd drives are very handy to have
[02:43] <Cheri703> screens are beyond my replacement abilities atm :)
[02:43] <canthus13> Screens are quite sellable on ebay.
[02:43] <canthus13> Cheri703: Screens are easy.
[02:43] <Cheri703> ok
[02:43] <Unit193> HDDs are killed
[02:43] <canthus13> Especially if you replace the whole lid unit.
[02:44] <canthus13> Just unscrew the hinges, pop loose the cable(s), install new lid.
[02:44] <Unit193> Unless it has the wifi in it
[02:44] <Cheri703> Unit193: wireless cards are easily removed as well
[02:44] <Cheri703> keyboards even
[02:44] <Cheri703> but less useful
[02:44] <Cheri703> *to me
[02:45] <Unit193> wifi in the screen/lid
[02:45] <canthus13> good keyboards are handy. people are always spilling crap on laptop keyboards.
[02:45] <canthus13> Unit193: The wifi card? Nah. it should be on the mobo. the antennae may round up into the lid, though.
[02:46] <Unit193> That's what I was aiming at
[02:46] <canthus13> Antennae are usually installed on other laptops and rarely go bad.
[02:46] <Unit193> Cheri703: do you really have any use for the 1.8 CPU?
[02:46] <Cheri703> maaaaybe
[02:46] <Cheri703> antennae are easy to disconnect from the card
[02:46]  * canthus13 is running a server on an athlon 1700+ and another one on a 2000+.  was running one on a 1.2ghz thunderbird.
[02:47] <Unit193> I could use a complete comp
[02:47] <canthus13> Unit193: Oh.  yeah. the antennae just snap loose from the card, like the little metal clothing snaps.
[02:47] <Cheri703> Unit193: what do you mean?
[02:47] <Cheri703> and for someone who just does email and typing stuff, 1.8 is PLENTY. especially if you can get them running ubuntu
[02:48]  * canthus13 found timerider. :)
[02:48] <Unit193> Not just 6 CPUs, RAM, HDDs, and a comp batt
[02:49] <Cheri703> ah, gotcha. I have 2 cases with OLD mobos in them. if you find a decent mobo, I have a case you can throw it in. I have a few ide cd drives laying around as well
[02:49] <Unit193> I can get a CD/DVD drive... will the P4s work in that?
[02:50] <Cheri703> maybe. it had a 900mhz processor in it before, I'd have to look it up.
[02:50] <Cheri703> ahh patrick swayze looking like a dirty hippie
[02:53] <canthus13> 900? There were no P4s that slow... It's prolly a P3 mobo.
[02:53] <Unit193> Finding a P3 CPU may be harder... but I may be able
[02:53]  * Cheri703 doesn't remember
[02:56] <Unit193> Pentium M?
[02:56] <Cheri703> I'll take a look at some point this week
[02:56] <Cheri703> you already have like 17 computers...am I missing why you need another? :)
[02:56] <Unit193> 17???
[02:56] <Cheri703> I dunno, several
[02:57] <Unit193> Wired, mostly fast ubuntu server (in a way)
[02:58] <Cheri703> gotcha
[02:59] <Unit193> AMD Athlon 2.4G - P4 2.8G - 500MHz - Mac G3 350MHz (can't firgure out how to get ubuntu on)
[02:59] <Cheri703> ?
[02:59] <Unit193> The comps
[03:00] <Cheri703> kk
[03:05] <Unit193> This may be the CPU: http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27188
[03:28] <canthus13> Unit193: The G3 should be able to handle Debian. Might go for a CLI/Framebuffer-only install.
[03:30] <canthus13> Unit193: Oh.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=728093
[03:30] <canthus13> there's a whole discussion on Debian Vs Ubuntu for a 350mhz G3.
[03:32] <canthus13> ...and a howto for Debian on a G3.  http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=20481
[03:33] <deejoe> I've had much more luck with the Debian CDs for 5.0 than for 4.0 on G3s
[03:33] <deejoe> as in, getting them to boot and run the installer all the way through
[03:34] <deejoe> had trouble with both Debian and Ubuntu a couple of years ago
[04:00] <Unit193> deejoe: Did you ever get Ubuntu to work?
[04:02] <deejoe> Unit193: I didn't really want to try to run Ubuntu on hardware that old, to be honest.
[04:03] <deejoe> also, Ubuntu dropped powerpc from the normal stuff--it's community supported only.  Which, after all, is what Debian is, too.
[04:14] <dmcglone1> Hiya all
[04:17] <Cheri703> hey dmcglone1
[04:17] <dmcglone1> what ya doing?
[04:18] <Cheri703> watching a crappy movie
[04:18] <Cheri703> you?
[04:19] <Unit193> hello dmcglone1
[04:20] <dmcglone1> sitting here watching forensic files
[04:21] <dmcglone1> hi Unit193
[04:22] <dmcglone1> I bought a hockey game for the Wii and got so frustrated with trying to figure out how to set it up for 2 players, I just gave up
[04:22] <Unit193> Can I come over and play? ;)
[04:22] <dmcglone1> nothing is worth the hassle anymore
[04:23] <Unit193> the Wii that is
[04:23] <dmcglone1> You sure can
[04:23] <dmcglone1> am I still here?
[04:23] <dmcglone1> weird
[04:23] <dmcglone1> I just seen myself leave
[04:23] <dmcglone1> LOL
[04:23] <Unit193> dmcglone left your dmcglone1
[04:24] <dmcglone1> Ah I bet my other computer lost internet connection
[04:25] <dmcglone1> Unit193 you live in columbus?
[04:25] <Unit193> Nope
[04:26] <dmcglone1> mansfield?
[04:26] <Unit193> Around there
[04:27] <dmcglone1> well guess it's about a 3 hour drive to come over and play the Wii
[04:27] <dmcglone1> lol
[04:27] <dmcglone1> I'll see you in the morning
[04:27] <dmcglone1> :-)
[04:28] <Unit193> Good night!
[04:29] <dmcglone1> lol I didn't mean it that way
[04:29] <dmcglone1> I meant that it would take you until morning to get here
[04:29] <Cheri703> tomorrow I have to go to holmes county
[04:29] <dmcglone1> :-)
[04:29] <dmcglone1> business Cheri703?
[04:29] <Cheri703> yeppers
[04:29] <Cheri703> one of my final installs
[04:30] <dmcglone1> you excited? LOL
[04:32] <Unit193> dmcglone1: It would take longer if I walked :D
[04:32] <dmcglone1> I assumed you would be walking... LOL
[04:33] <Unit193> There are really cool things... they are called Cars!
[04:34] <Cheri703> dmcglone1: yes and no. not excited to deal with the crazy bosses :/
[04:34] <dmcglone1> never heard of one. I ride a scooter. I just push my way everywhere
[04:35] <dmcglone1> but from what I hear about the price of gas, I'm glad I have a scooter
[04:35] <dmcglone1> lol
[04:35]  * Cheri703 wants a velomobile
[04:35] <dmcglone1> whats that?
[04:36] <dmcglone1> sounds like something from batman
[04:36] <dmcglone1> batmobile
[04:36] <canthus13> covered in velour.
[04:37] <Cheri703> google it
[04:37] <Cheri703> basically pedal powered car :D
[04:37] <Cheri703> recumbent trike + shell
[04:38] <dmcglone1> oh I see
[04:39] <dmcglone1> that would take forever to get anywhere
[04:39] <dmcglone1> plus no heat or air conditioning
[04:39] <Cheri703> not really, depending on how far you're going. you can pretty easily break 20mph
[04:39]  * Cheri703 wants one
[04:39] <Cheri703> no insurance
[04:39] <Cheri703> no license
[04:39] <Cheri703> no gas cost
[04:40] <Cheri703> very low maintenance costs
[04:40] <Cheri703> inexpensive commuting
[04:42] <dmcglone1> good luck going to holmes county in one of those
[04:42] <dmcglone1> lol
[04:43] <dmcglone1> when you get there you'll have snot frozen to your face
[04:43] <dmcglone1> lol
[04:43] <Cheri703> some of them are completely enclosed
[04:43] <dmcglone1> but still cold
[04:43] <Cheri703> and this would be once I had a "go there and stay there" job. not driving all over the freaking place to clients
[04:43] <Cheri703> nah, your body heats it up pretty darn well
[04:44] <dmcglone1> hope it has a defogger then
[04:44] <Cheri703> some of them. some have windshield wipers too
[04:44] <dmcglone1> now thats cool
[04:46] <dmcglone1> well, I'm gonna get me some sleep
[04:46] <Cheri703> night
[04:46] <dmcglone1> I'll talk to you all later
[04:46] <dmcglone1> night :-)
[05:07] <Unit193> Cheri703: Next U-h still the 30th?
[05:22] <Cheri703> yup
[05:27] <Unit193> Mom is working 2nd that day, my other sis may or may not take me
[05:28] <Cheri703> kk
[05:29] <Cheri703> I'm off to bed. have a good night
[05:30] <Unit193> Bye
[05:32] <canthus13> nite.
[14:39] <thafreak> Good Morning Ohio!
[14:39] <thafreak> So, I'm finally done with school...
[14:39] <thafreak> well...for a while...don't think I'll ever be "done"
[16:56] <thafreak> grrr
[16:57] <thafreak> seems as though I can't actually take the LPIC ubuntu cert exam anywhere
[16:57] <thafreak> stupide pearson vuew
[16:57] <thafreak> stupide pearson vue
[16:57] <thafreak> stupid pearson vue
[16:59] <canthus13> Heh,
[17:02] <_bbb_> except olf
[17:03] <paultag> Woo! OLF!
[17:08] <canthus13> Yayolf.
[17:08]  * canthus13 has plenty of time to study for LPI.
[17:09] <_bbb_> olfu even
[20:56] <BiosElement> Great, just great.
[20:56] <BiosElement> We now have 'net neutrality' that's designed to not be neutral
[20:56] <BiosElement> Isn't that great
[20:57] <BiosElement> So remind me, what's the point of the FCC? And would someone please send them a dictionary?
[20:58] <Unit193> Did you see Ubuntu is going away from X for Wayland?
[20:58] <BiosElement> Yes, so is Fedora and half a dozen other distro's.
[20:58] <BiosElement> But heaven forbid it's the end of the world if ubuntu does it. ;)
[20:59] <Unit193> I don't use the other ones :)
[20:59] <BiosElement> There's tons of FUD around it
[20:59] <BiosElement> Ironically Fedora actually was already leading the charge, but it's more fun to bitch up a storm about ubuntu breaking things before they've even seen them or something >.>
[21:01] <Unit193> Ubuntu is a more visable target
[21:01] <BiosElement> Mainstream media, yes. But fedora's a solid second for linux distro's
[21:04] <Unit193> Do you know how well wayland does remotely?
[21:04] <BiosElement> It doesn't, that's beyond scope.
[21:05] <BiosElement> However there already exists remote clients to make it about as effective as x11 remotely.
[21:05] <Unit193> That is one thing I really like about X
[21:09] <BiosElement> Meh, it's an extra feature that doesn't belong in the stack for 99% of users.


[09:35] <Saviq> hi all, is it possible to have a commit hook installed _in_tree_?
[09:36] <Saviq> i.e. if I'd like to ship a hook that will run a test suite / style check on each commit, is it possible to have per-checkout, or does it have to be in a global plugin?
[09:45] <lifeless> security wise, plugins have to be global.
[09:45] <lifeless> but you can have a plugin be *active* per-tree.
[09:45] <lifeless> by having it consult a setting in the branch.conf
[21:43] <Demosthenex> does anyone have a document describing a best practice for maintaining multiple forks from a common source?
[21:44] <Demosthenex> imagine starting with a documentation template as a common parent, and cloning that to create each fork. you make tons of commits to the forks that will never to back to the parent. when you do though, how can you separate just that piece to send back?
[21:44] <Demosthenex> you can tell i'm lacking the terms to describe this accurately


[14:24] <mpmc> fossfreedom: [RE: browser wars] Why even have a default? Why not just ask the user during the install to pick the browsers they want installed?
[21:39] <fossfreedom> mpmc, well sure - that's an option.  But we know some users will hit the close button as soon as that window appears ... then they are left with no browser.  That will cause confusion


[00:09] <waf> is your question about how to do that in general, or whether that specific image works? if the former, you can just 'dd' it.
[00:10] <rick_h_> yea, dd ftw
[00:10] <rick_h_> sudo dd if=ubuntu-13.04-beta2-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdc
[00:10] <rick_h_> from history
[00:13] <jrwren> i'm wondering if cloudimg works that way
[00:13] <jrwren> sounds like I should just try and find out :)
[01:35] <derekv> =3 ,.o089"
[01:36] <greg-g> uh huh ;)
[01:47] <derekv> looking at this brand, plant technologies.  Thai.
[01:47] <derekv> it has like no reviews
[01:51] <derekv> the last time i bought something with specs too good for its price (a samsung small office laser printer), it worked great for about a year then just became a PITA
[01:52] <greg-g> derekv: what is it?
[01:53] <derekv> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1EA0YA7292
[01:53] <derekv> probably just get an 8 port
[01:53] <derekv> bbl
[01:53] <greg-g> I meant what kind of thing (tethering right now, so IRC is best ;) )
[03:02] <cmaloney> Apparently the Caribou / Peets in Downtown Royal Oak ran into landlord lease renegotiation issues
[03:02] <cmaloney> acc to my dad
[03:03] <cmaloney> so it may never open as a peets
[04:26] <derekv> greg-g: its a switch
[04:27] <derekv> i want a high quality 1gbe switch with at least 8 ports, lacp and 802.1q tagging, more features a plus.
[16:29] <jrwren> derekv: cisco 3550?
[16:35] <derekv> i can't do cisco
[16:35] <derekv> too many bad experiances
[16:37] <derekv> jrwren: looks like the HP 1910 series
[16:40] <derekv> is a really good value
[16:40] <derekv> a little more than the noname brand but very good reputation
[16:47] <jrwren> is this for home or work?
[16:47] <jrwren> derekv: what about juniper?
[16:52] <derekv> home
[16:52] <derekv> hoping to get something that works for a while
[16:52] <derekv> desktop switches always die on me
[16:53] <derekv> juniper i don't know anything about
[16:53] <derekv> i think the 1910 is overkill enough
[16:53] <derekv> its probably the correct amount of overkill.
[16:54] <derekv> it has 802.1s multiple spanning tree protocol but doesn't cost 5k
[17:05] <gamerchick02> my macbook is at microcenter. has anyone else gotten computers serviced there?
[17:15] <jrwren> derekv: i've had great luck with the trendnet green series.
[17:15] <jrwren> $35 instead of $150+
[17:16] <jrwren> gamerchick02: i've not. for a mac, I think I'd prefer genius bar.
[17:16] <jrwren> gamerchick02: apple has TONS of money. if htey screw something up, they will fix it and not charge you tons :)
[17:16] <jrwren> derekv: you realize you can just run STP on your linux systems, then you don't need an expensive switch to do it.
[17:20] <gamerchick02> the work is free
[17:20] <gamerchick02> it's a drive replace
[17:20] <gamerchick02> i went to upgrade to mavericks and ran the flash update thing beforehand and got an error.
[17:20] <jrwren> oh, cool. i'm sure it will be fine.
[17:21] <jrwren> I got that too, but then it rebooted and upgraded just fine.
[17:21] <gamerchick02> jrwren, nearest genius (apparently) Sommerset mall and I'm... not comfortable there. too ritzy-fritzy for me.
[17:21] <jrwren> ha! i love somerset
[17:22] <jrwren> i like going into Sax and trying on $1600 coats
[17:22] <gamerchick02> BUT i was a good girl and DID NOT upgrade to the newest Nexus 7.
[17:22] <gamerchick02> i did get a new dvi cable for my computer.   IRC from the tablet.


[12:34] <nixternal> Riddell: rockin'! I will work up something here in a bit, I need an ice bath
[02:23] <jjesse> evening
[10:28] <Tonio_> heya :-)
[10:28] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_!!!
[10:28] <Tonio_> how are you Hobbsee ? how was the flights to come back ?
[10:29] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: pretty jetlagged
[10:29] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: it took 36 hours, 4 and a bit planes, 3 trains, 1 taxi, and one car.
[10:29] <Tonio_> OMFG !
[10:29] <Hobbsee> hehe, yes.
[10:30] <Hobbsee> woulda been 2 trains, except that i couldnt figure the one i was supposed to catch, as it didnt seem to be on the list
[10:30] <crimsun> "and a bit" sounds ominous.
[10:30] <Hobbsee> so i caught 1 to a quieter station, then switched.
[10:30] <crimsun> like 1/25th of a plane.  Is that like a floatation cushion from a seat?
[10:31] <Hobbsee> crimsun: we taxi'd out of singapore airport, but decided not to take off
[10:31] <Hobbsee> carrier pidgeons went on strike.
[10:31] <crimsun> oooh, nice.
[10:31] <Hobbsee> yep
[10:31] <Hobbsee> so they eventually took us back to the airport, to wait in the terminal for a while long
[10:31] <Hobbsee> er
[10:32] <Hobbsee> and do duty free shopping :P
[10:32] <Hobbsee> (yay, chocolate)
[10:36] <hunger> Gutsy stopped to print:-(
[10:36] <crimsun> is that better or worse than not stopping at all?
[10:37] <hunger> crimsun: worse than not stopping at all but way better than generic stopping.
[10:37] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i think i really should move to germany, or something.
[10:39] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hehe :)
[11:24] <mhb> Hobbsee's coming to Linuxtag?
[11:25] <mhb> aww, I thought I could come :o)
[11:26] <Hobbsee> mhb: nope
[11:26] <Hobbsee> mhb: go ahead
[11:26] <Hobbsee> allee: hehe :)
[11:26] <Hobbsee> allee: i wish.  wont happen for a while yet
[11:27] <allee> Hobbsee: have you checked your time table?   E.g. meeting next Wednesday?
[11:27] <Hobbsee> allee: no, but i really should do that.
[11:27] <mhb> meeting?
[11:27] <mhb> yay!
[11:27] <mhb> :o)
[11:27] <allee> Tonio_: ^^ next wednesday?
[11:28] <Tonio_> allee: go for it ;)
[11:28] <Hobbsee> what time were you thinking?
[11:28] <Hobbsee> 2100utc or whatever?
[11:28] <allee> Hobbsee: sounds good
[11:28] <mhb> allee: is there any agenda?
[11:28] <Hobbsee> allee: will have to check time differences, iirc
[11:29] <Hobbsee> mhb: there will be
[11:29] <allee> mhb: not jet, feel free to add anything you want
[11:29] <mhb> I just checked the Meetings page
[11:30] <fdoving> anyone up for some usb-safely-remove testing?
[11:34] <doc__> hi there
[11:35] <Hobbsee> hiya
[11:37] <allee> fdoving: can it be tested in feisty?
[11:38] <fdoving> allee: yes, i have not tested it in gutsy.
[11:38] <fdoving> allee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/61946/comments/65
[11:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 61946 in kdebase "[Edgy Data Loss]  umount progress dialog missing" [High,Fix released]
[11:40] <allee> fdoving: I've a look later (user-problem-interrupt)
[11:41] <fdoving> allee: thanks :)
[11:42] <allee> raphink: ping. Meeting?
[11:43] <sebas> allee got home safely?
[11:43] <allee> sebas: yet.  I even managed to miss no flight, bus ;)
[11:43] <allee> sebas: how was your weekend in Sevilla?
[11:45] <raphink> hi allee
[11:45] <Tonio_> fdoving: talking about that.....
[11:45] <Tonio_> fdoving: is there a way to use the "sync" command before unmounting ?
[11:46] <Tonio_> that avoids the issue and dataloss
[11:46] <fdoving> Tonio_: sure, but it should be unneccesary, as umount does that by itself.
[11:46] <Tonio_> imagin you launch the unmounting window, then perform a sync, then unmount
[11:46] <Tonio_> fdoving: yes but crashes sometimes...
[11:46] <allee> raphink: next wednesday?  21 utc?  (<- I'm sure Hobbsee changes it after calculating local time ;)
[11:46] <Hobbsee> it'll be then, give or take a couple of hours
[11:46] <raphink> hmmm I could try to be there
[11:46] <raphink> I can't promise
[11:47] <allee> raphink: okay,  Try your best ;)
[11:47] <raphink> I'm very busy lately
[11:47] <allee> Tonio_: umount always sync implicitely
[11:47] <fdoving> Tonio_: there was a commit to kio_meida_mounthelper some weeks ago upstream, changed some of the error messages among other things. that might be related.
[11:47] <Tonio_> allee: ok
[11:48] <fdoving> Tonio_: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143353#c6
[11:48] <ubotu> KDE bug 143353 in general ""safely remove" unmounts usb flash disk while it is still in use (flashing)" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[11:48] <Tonio_> fdoving: that replaces the patch we currently use right ?
[11:49] <fdoving> Tonio_: when we get that, and my new and fancy kio-umountwrapper, yes.
[11:49] <allee> Tonio_: there are two problem: people removing to early (fdovin patch) and people never remove it because the usb light does not go off ;)
[11:49] <fdoving> Tonio_: the upstream patch does not make a progress dialog.
[11:49] <Tonio_> fdoving: can it be use with your current patch or is there a problem with it ? can help a lot with the french parliament :)
[11:49] <fdoving> Tonio_: i've made a new wrapper for that, replacing my feisty-patch to kdebase. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/61946/comments/65
[11:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 61946 in kdebase "[Edgy Data Loss]  umount progress dialog missing" [High,Fix released]
[11:50] <fdoving> Tonio_: my current feisty-patch is not very good. i've repalced it with a separate wrapper-app. as described in that comment.
[11:51] <fdoving> Tonio_: the new wrapper appears instantly among other things.
[11:51] <Tonio_> fdoving: so the point is : use your new package, remove your kdebase patch and use the kde bts patch instead right ?
[11:51] <fdoving> Tonio_: correct.
[11:52] <Tonio_> fdoving: great, will test that this afternoon :)
[11:54] <fdoving> Tonio_: nice, let me know what you think of the new dialog, also, if the speed of the progress-thing is OK or too fast.
[11:54] <Tonio_> fdoving: no need of a patch or something to call the wrapper ?
[11:55] <fdoving> Tonio_: no, currently i divert the media_safelyremove.desktop files from konqueror and dolphin, and supply own copies with the umount command modified.
[11:55] <Tonio_> fdoving: there is certainly something to patch in kdebase in any case right ?
[11:55] <Tonio_> fdoving: that's in your package right ?
[11:55] <fdoving> Tonio_: yes.
[11:55] <Tonio_> ok, I will repackage this
[11:56] <fdoving> Tonio_: you can repackage kdebase with the upstream commit included.
[11:56] <fdoving> Tonio_: and remove my previous patch.
[11:56] <fdoving> or just revert to ubuntu19, which is without my patch.
[11:56] <Tonio_> and change that to a patch for kdebase, that's the clean way to implement the desktop file change, although you are right that divert is a nice way to let people test
[11:56] <fdoving> but then you won't get the upstream fix.
[11:56] <Tonio_> fdoving: will feedback toonight :)
[11:57] <Tonio_> fdoving: of course
[11:57] <fdoving> Tonio_: i wouldn't change it in kdebase, because that will give kdebase a depend on my package, it's kinda nice to be able to revert such changes. whcih a divert is perfect for.
[11:58] <fdoving> Tonio_: i'm planning to do a on-the-fly divert-and-replace for the .desktop files, which basically diverts and keeps a copy of the original .desktop, then makes a modified version of the installed one, instead of supplying my own copy.
[12:01] <allee> nixternal: heh, nice to see your commits :)
[12:03] <Tonio_> fdoving: indeed ;)
[12:04] <fdoving> Tonio_: but, are the translations in the .desktop files used, or does it go elsewhere to pick up translations, X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=desktop_kdebase ?
[12:05] <Tonio_> fdoving: sure ;)
[12:08] <fdoving> i don't have no desktop_kdebase.mo file on my system.
[12:08] <fdoving> though..
[12:11] <allee> fdoving: afaiu the x-ubuntu... is a rosetta thing.  Translations shows should be in the desktop file
[12:11] <fdoving> allee: ok, waht are the .mos for then?
[12:13] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_, thoughy you were busy at work ? :)
[12:13] <_StefanS_> thought
[12:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I am talking about work.... I need this for the french parliament migration
[12:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: then if that works, I'll commit to ubuntu
[12:16] <_StefanS_> I'm watching you. :)
[12:17] <allee> fdoving: for the translators
[12:18] <fdoving> allee: language-pack-kde-* provides a bunch of .mo files
[12:18] <fdoving> .mo files are compiled .po files.
[12:18] <allee> fdoving: mhmm ..
[12:19] <fdoving> i would guess the tag in the .desktop files are there to give .desktop files gettext support, beeing able to use the languague-.packs.
[12:19] <fdoving> does that sound insane?
[12:20] <allee> fdoving: mhmm, would need a patch to kdelibs to change the way translations are looked up ...
[12:20] <fdoving> allee: i think we patch every kde app, don't we?
[12:21] <fdoving> kubuntu_04_add_langpack_path.diff
[12:21] <fdoving> no, not that one.
[12:21] <fdoving> this one: kubuntu_56_langpacks_desktop_files.diff
[12:22] <fdoving> certainly using the .mos
[12:24] <fdoving> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LangpacksDesktopfilesKDE
[12:25] <fdoving> the .desktop is the fallback though.
[12:25] <fdoving> that's evil.
[12:25] <fdoving> then it's useless anyway.
[12:25] <fdoving> (to me, that is).
[12:26] <fdoving> .. or maybe not.
[12:27] <allee> fdoving: useless?
[12:29] <fdoving> allee: i was hoping all translations was read from the .mo exclusively. that way i could supply my own .desktop without thinking about translation updates etc.
[12:31] <fdoving> now the .desktop is used as a fallback, then if there is no .mo for the specified domain, the .desktop is the one beeing used.
[12:31] <fdoving> so i need to write that script to divert and hotswap the command inside the .desktop.
[12:31] <fdoving> .. keeping a backup.
[12:32] <fdoving> but, that give me a predepend on konqueror, and i can't do the same for dolphin as it's not a vital part of the kde3 desktop.
[02:22] <Hobbsee> hunger: yes...you really shouldnt be running it
[02:22] <Hobbsee> no one should, at least until the majority of merges are done
[02:48] <hunger> Hobbsee: I know that I should not. But I can't help it, I am addicted to new packages.
[02:48] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:49] <hunger> Hobbsee: Nah... that is cheating.
[02:51] <Hobbsee> no, it is real gutsy
[02:51] <Hobbsee> i'm just not booted to it
[02:51] <Hobbsee> even pbuilder is real gutsy
[03:00] <nixternal> *BOOM!*
[03:00] <Hobbsee> lol
[04:06] <mhb> allee: how's the meeting time doing?
[04:10] <Hobbsee> mhb: it's blocked on me actually doing something useful
[04:10] <mhb> hmm
[04:11] <mhb> Hobbsee: so the time's bad for you?
[04:11] <Hobbsee> i think it's okayish for me
[04:11] <Hobbsee> when are we saying?  next wednesday?
[04:12] <mhb> yes
[04:12] <Hobbsee> 2100 UTC is good
[04:12] <Hobbsee> Jucato: &
[04:12] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ^
[04:12] <Jucato> Jucato: %
[04:13] <Jucato> no problem on my end of the globe :D
[04:13] <Hobbsee> cool
[04:14] <mhb> I'm having my (high school) final exam on that day, so I might be the one not showing up
[04:15] <Hobbsee> right
[04:15] <Hobbsee> you want it delayed a day or something?
[04:16] <mhb> Hobbsee: I don't want to be the one breaking the party
[04:16] <mhb> for you
[04:18] <dadchicken> I feel so much better.
[04:18] <dadchicken> SOOO much better.
[04:19] <mhb> Hobbsee: one day delay would be great for me (as I could have an agenda point) but I don't want to spoil anyone else's plans
[04:19] <Hobbsee> mhb: right
[04:20] <Hobbsee> hrm.  tahtd' probably work
[04:58] <danimo> moin!
[04:58] <danimo> Riddell: ping?
[06:26] <danimo> did anyone get the kubuntu packages for kde4 working?
[06:26] <Hobbsee> working?
[06:26] <toma> ;-)
[06:26] <danimo> as in: not crashing on startup rightaway
[06:26] <Hobbsee> ahh
[06:26] <Hobbsee> havent tried, yet
[06:26] <danimo> they crash badly here
[06:27] <Hobbsee> crack-man said they did too, but i wasnt sure if that was a local problem
[06:30] <danimo> Hobbsee: I tried on two installations, both times boo-booh
[06:31] <danimo> Hobbsee: the live cd otoh works like a charm
[06:31] <danimo> (if you dare to call alpha1's shape a charm ;)
[06:31] <Hobbsee> right
[06:32] <danimo> after all, that's what I should be doin', right? ;)
[06:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:32] <Hobbsee> no, you should be fixing it.
[06:42] <danimo> Hobbsee: sorry, KDE's responsibility ends on the package assemply line :)
[06:42] <danimo> assembly
[06:42] <Hobbsee> danimo: hehe
[07:46] <Tm_T> don't tell me I missed Community Council meeting
[07:47] <Hobbsee> you did.
[07:47] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: yep
[07:47] <Tm_T> ...
[07:47] <gnomefreak> about 5 hours ago
[07:48] <gnomefreak> give or take
[07:48] <Tm_T> nice, no proper net connection and I'm lying in painkillers
[07:48] <Tm_T> yup, back away then ->
[07:48] <marseillai_> hi
[07:50] <marseillai_> apachelogger: i've see on your blog that you take a look at kopete otr plugin! i've try to make a debdiff with this patch http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kopete+Emoticons+Manager?content=54968 but i'm a little bit "noob" with that sort of things and the patch don't want to apply
[07:50] <marseillai_> do you have any idea ?
[07:52] <gnomefreak> if you look in debian/patched you should see the failure patch and open it it should tell you why it failed
[07:53] <marseillai_> the problem is that i can't even apply the patch on source
[07:53] <apachelogger> marseillai_: listen to gnomefreak ;-)
[07:53] <gnomefreak> marseillai_: also patch == diff for most part :)
[07:53] <gnomefreak> it gives you file touched - what it was + what it is now
[07:54] <marseillai_> yes
[07:54] <marseillai_> but
[07:54] <marseillai_> i make cdbs edit patch
[07:54] <marseillai_> then i run patch -p1 ...
[07:54] <apachelogger> marseillai_: you have to adept the patch
[07:54] <marseillai_> and i got this error : http://pastebin.ca/489710
[07:54] <apachelogger> hm
[07:54] <marseillai_> and i don't understand why
[07:55] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: because you needed to use sourcedir/kopete/...
[07:55] <Hobbsee> instead of just kopete/...
[07:55] <gnomefreak> do you see the file  kopete/config/appearance/appearanceconfig_emoticons.ui
[07:55] <marseillai_> no
[07:55] <marseillai_> i've check
[07:55] <Hobbsee> (when using the p1 strip option, which is what dpatch, cdbs, etc uses
[07:55] <marseillai_> and it doesn't exist
[07:56] <fdoving> marseillai_: you probably use the wrong level, since you're already inside the kopete directory.
[07:56] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: the problem is what gnomefreak told kopete/config/appearance/appearanceconfig_emoticons.ui doesn't exist ...
[07:56] <marseillai_> fdoving: i've try both
[07:56] <gnomefreak> try config/appearance/appearanceconfig_emoticons.ui
[07:56] <gnomefreak> marseillai_: got o top level dir and use find
[07:57] <gnomefreak> s/got o/ go to
[07:58] <marseillai_> oki
[07:58] <marseillai_> i'll try
[07:58] <marseillai_> thanks
[07:58] <gnomefreak> but that is how its set up for it kopete may not be that way
[07:58] <gnomefreak> seeing as there is no mozilla dir in kopete ")
[08:00] <apachelogger> marseillai_: I'd suggest to create your own patch, probably more work, but current SVN is 3.5.7 while you probably got 3.5.6 sources
[08:01] <marseillai_> i thought it was a problem with kubuntu patche ...
[08:04] <marseillai_> so may be i wouldn't be able to do a debdiff for that apps with kopete from kde 3.5.6 ?
[08:06] <apachelogger> in order to apply the patch you have to download kopete svn http://kopete.kde.org/svnaccess.php
[08:06] <apachelogger> marseillai_: looks like
[08:06] <marseillai_> oki
[08:07] <marseillai_> could i do a patch and send it to him wothout having kde 3.5.7 packages
[08:08] <qrto> ello
[08:09] <qrto> i wonder if i'm the only one getting ksmserver crash on kde4 alpha start?
[08:11] <gnomefreak> he packages 3.5.7 already?
[08:11] <gnomefreak> qrto: im not using it but i doubt your the only one
[08:13] <manchicken|away> qrto: I think Riddell was getting that as well.    On kubuntu-users we proved through logic and reason that Katapult is better than both hot tubs and yellow number five.
[08:27] <Hobbsee> haha
[08:27] <manchicken> mhb: Excuse me, but who's the chicken here?
[08:27] <manchicken> heh
[08:30] <nixternal> manchicken is bigdaddyhenlover
[08:30] <daskreech> manchicken: I missed that?
[08:30] <daskreech> Not the hen loving
[08:30] <daskreech> The Yellow number five
[08:32] <manchicken> daskreech: Someone said that katapult was 75% more useful and friendly to little swimmers, so then logically we asserted that because hot tubs and yellow number five don't really serve any unique purpose, and are both not very friendly at all to those particular "organs" that katapult is thusly superior.
[08:32] <manchicken> nixternal: I love it when they call me big papa.
[08:32] <nixternal> hahaha, shut up biggy smalls
[08:32] <nixternal> isn't that who said that?
[08:33] <manchicken> Yeah.
[08:33] <manchicken> The most ironic stage name ever.
[08:33] <nixternal> right
[08:33] <manchicken> The guy was like 450 pounds.
[08:34] <nixternal> and people ooh'd and ahh'd over that garbage...but i will leave it at that
[08:34] <nixternal> I still hear it driving around...people droppin' their bass
[08:35] <manchicken> Well this is fun.
[08:35] <manchicken> I just got to experience Adrien's dreaded kpilot bug.
[08:36] <nixternal> haha, I have been chattin' with him via email about it. I am going to help out with some of the kpilot stuff
[08:36] <nixternal> mine is working like a champ, but he has some other ones to test out
[08:36] <manchicken> I missed a dialog that kpilot put up when it saw a conflict, and the treo cancelled the sync.  So I tried to resync.  Now both my treo and my kontact calendars have been wiped out.
[08:43] <fdoving> good thing you have nigthly backups :)
[08:44] <manchicken> This is true.
[08:44] <fdoving> kpilot is a nightmare.
[08:44] <manchicken> The question at this point is do I just say "forget it" and redo my calendar which will take me all of 30 minutes, or do I spend the hours it would take to decompress and recover from backups :)
[08:45] <manchicken> That's the first time I've ever had a problem with it.
[08:45] <qrto> talking about sync... i'd love to see an app syncing my nokia e61 properly
[08:49] <manchicken> I think I heard Adrian(or is it Adrien?) mention greater device compatibility coming out next time.
[08:50] <manchicken> KPilot depends on some other libs to do its business.
[08:50] <manchicken> I think it's something like opensync or something like that.
[08:50] <manchicken> KPilot only works with devices that play nice with palm pilot protocols IIRC.
[08:50] <manchicken> And the visor kernel module.
[08:51] <manchicken> But I'm not completely clued in on that.
[08:51] <Riddell> qrto: I had ksmserver crash too
[08:51] <Hobbsee> hiya Riddell!
[08:53] <mhb> anyone with an eye for graphic design here ( = not me) ? I've started a wiki page about my meeting agenda point and I'd be happy if some folks commented on that
[08:54] <manchicken> Riddell lives!
[08:55] <mhb> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MartinB%c3%b6hm/Meetings/KubuntuGutsyPolyester
[08:55] <Hobbsee> mhb: qtcurve's not in ubuntu, is it?
[08:55] <Hobbsee> it's still on revu?
[08:57] <bddebian> Howdy
[08:57] <mhb> Hobbsee: qtcurve-kde3 - QtCurve style for KDE
[08:58] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ madison-lite qtcurve-kde3
[08:58] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$
[08:58] <Hobbsee> mhb: where'd you get that from
[08:58] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[08:58] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[08:58] <mhb> Hobbsee: apt-cache search says that
[08:59] <Hobbsee> mhb: can you apt-cache policy  qtcurve-kde3 ?
[08:59] <Hobbsee> and paste the relevant output?
[08:59] <mhb> oh, it's probably an external package
[08:59] <Hobbsee> right.
[08:59] <mhb> sorry for confusion
[08:59] <Hobbsee> no problem
[09:02] <mhb> Hobbsee: the point of that page is to think about what UI features we want in Polyester
[09:02] <Hobbsee> i see that :)
[09:02] <Hobbsee> looks nice
[09:05] <mhb> Hobbsee: I think polyester with new borders could look better, but I might be wrong
[09:06] <mhb> Hobbsee: if you desire a UI element improved or just about anything polyester related, please write it in... I hate writing pages all by myself :o)
[09:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:06] <mhb> ^^ that goes for everyone, of course
[09:06] <Hobbsee> i'm just looking at that polyester
[09:06] <Hobbsee> the package on REVU looks fine, but i need to check the file licencing first, i think
[09:08] <mhb> Hobbsee: polyester? that is already in main, right?
[09:08] <Hobbsee> qtcurve
[09:08] <mhb> :o)
[09:11] <mhb> see you folks tomorrow! and please please comment on that wiki page :o)
[09:23] <manchicken> It's almost tornado season.
[09:24] <manchicken> ^_^
[09:28] <manchicken> Ubuntu Studio just release?
[09:28] <manchicken> d
[09:59] <ryanakca> ummm... I think I'm runing KDE 4 by default now...
[10:00] <ryanakca> really wierd... unfocused windows go dark, drop shadow, etc
[10:01] <jjesse> is that a bad thin?
[10:01] <jjesse> thing
[10:01] <ryanakca> http://blog.ryanak.ca/kde4.png
[10:01] <ryanakca> no.
[10:02] <jjesse> that looks cool
[10:02] <ryanakca> it isn't a /bad/ thing.
[10:02] <ryanakca> it does
[10:03] <ryanakca> and takes up a fraction of the ressources that beryl would
[10:03] <jjesse> nice
[10:03] <ryanakca> but, I'm wondering if it should kindof... "takeover" ?
[10:04] <ryanakca> or if the two are supposed to stay seperate
[10:04] <fdoving> ryanakca: remember it's nowhere near polished yet, the libs are barely ready :)
[10:04] <jjesse> kde4 won't be done until after gusty correct?
[10:05] <ryanakca> I think.
[10:05] <fdoving> they probably are.
[10:05] <jjesse> bummer its raining out and i don't have an umbrella
[10:05] <ryanakca> oooh, fade in and out :)
[10:05] <yuriy> *clicks screenshot* dammit i really have to stop png's from opening with the gimp
[10:07] <ryanakca> yeah... if I could get Istanbul to save, I'd make you a screencast
[10:07] <fdoving> ryanakca: did you compile from svn?
[10:07] <ryanakca> no
[10:07] <yuriy> hmm still can't get the alpha, get a 404 on kubuntu.org ./ packages
[10:07] <ryanakca> packages from the kubuntu main page
[10:07] <fdoving> ok. i have it compiled from svn.
[10:07] <ryanakca> yeah, those are what I'm using
[10:10] <jjesse> hmm when i gfull screen in vmware server my host x get's all messed up
[10:12] <jjesse> wow i can't type sometimes
[10:12] <jjesse> anyone have a problem when they enable full screen mode in vmware server (ctrl+alt+enter) and the resolution on the host gets all messed up on returning to the host?
[10:19] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ping?
[10:33] <daskreech> manchicken: came out last week
[10:33] <daskreech> manchicken: Studio's site got hammered
[10:38] <manchicken> Gotcha.
[10:53] <daskreech> Whoot
[10:53] <daskreech>  kwin_composite by default in KDE4 :)
[11:11] <ryanakca> lol
[11:11] <daskreech> ?
[11:12] <ryanakca> and... it's amaizing how a reboot can fix all your sound troubles :D
[11:16] <ryanakca> hey LongPointyStick
[11:19] <daskreech> ryanakca: uptime is god!!
[11:47] <ryanakca> daskreech: uptime for ?
[11:48] <daskreech> not rebooting to fix sound :)
[11:48] <ryanakca> lol
[11:48] <ryanakca> as long as my server has good uptime, I'm happy
[11:48] <ryanakca>  17:47:43 up 17 days,  3:54,  3 users,  load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01
[11:48] <ryanakca> (not much, but good for me :D)
[11:49] <ryanakca> we usually have the power flicker every couple days... I think I'm on an uptime streak
[11:59] <daskreech> ryanakca: UPS?
[12:05] <daskreech> hmm
[12:07] <ryanakca> daskreech: nah
[12:08] <ryanakca> my annual income is < 400CAD now... and I just got myself a bike
[12:09] <ryanakca> sell 50 items at 20CAD each, I'll have made 1000CAD
[12:09] <ryanakca> well
[12:09] <ryanakca> 950... cut out the materials... 53 items is more like it :)
[12:10] <ryanakca> hmmm


[11:18] <directhex> ping, anyone awake who understands Xb-Npp-Applications?
[14:10] <asac> directhex: yes. those are the app ids that the plugin is deployed to
[14:10] <asac> (by the package)
[14:10] <directhex> asac, yeah, so i see. i thought it was plugin-specific not browser-specific
[14:11] <directhex> i have 1 more lintian error to eliminate
[15:02] <directhex> asac, i know xulrunner-addons is correct for ubuntu, but i'm a big fan of syncing rather than merging. does everything check /usr/lib/mozilla on ubuntu?
[15:40] <directhex> seems FF does
[15:40] <directhex> anyway, package is in alioth now, it can see some testing
[17:41] <fta> hi
[17:41]  * sebner winks fta
[17:41] <fta> [reed], i've cornered the font regression in ff3.1
[17:41] <fta> between r19805 and r19820
[17:42] <fta> either mozilla bug 454730 or mozilla bug 385263
[17:43] <fta> well, most probably 385263
[17:43] <fta> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/25ca781361ed
[17:43] <fta> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/406819ca370c
[17:43] <fta> (stupid revision hashes)
[18:14] <[reed]> fta: is there a bug open on it?
[18:14] <fta> no idea
[18:14] <[reed]> doesn't look like it
[18:15] <[reed]> ok, please file it, mark it as blocking 385263, request blocking1.9.1, cc me, :karlt, :roc, :vlad
[18:15] <[reed]> and include screenshots
[18:15] <fta> it clearly regressed on ubuntu with system cairo 1.7.6 (and the lcd subpixel filter)
[18:15] <[reed]> oh
[18:15] <[reed]> what cairo is in Firefox now?
[18:16] <[reed]> might just have to either upgrade system cairo or turn cairo off
[18:16] <[reed]> turn system cairo off, I mean
[18:16] <fta>   cairo (1.7.4-136-g5ea2555)
[18:16] <fta> so it's a 1.7.6pre
[18:17] <[reed]> hmm, file it then
[18:17] <[reed]> and explain that
[18:17] <[reed]> see what vlad says
[18:30] <fta> [reed], ok, will do. see by yourself: http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/font-regression.png
[18:30] <[reed]> ew
[18:30] <armin76> blame asac
[19:02] <fta> [reed], which component ?
[19:04] <[reed]> fta: Core :: GFX: Thebes
[19:04] <[reed]> ?
[19:04] <[reed]> maybe
[19:04] <[reed]> if it's cairo related
[19:05] <fta> [reed], are you :reed?
[19:05] <[reed]> yes
[19:12] <fta> [reed], mozilla bug 458612
[19:13] <fta> hm, the attachement is not there
[19:13] <[reed]> attach it again
[19:13] <fta> 'The bug was created successfully, but attachment creation failed. Please add your attachment by clicking the "Create a New Attachment" link below. '
[19:14] <fta> description
[19:27] <directhex> who feels like build/testing http://retro.apebox.org/moon/ ?
[23:32] <asac> omg
[23:32] <asac> i made it
[23:32] <asac> tax declaration :(
[23:32] <asac> definitly my personal nightmare ;)
[23:43] <fta> asac, i kind of know the feeling
[23:43] <fta> but for me, it's in 6 months
[23:47] <rzr> java ?
[23:48] <rzr> in france the service is based on a java applet w/ native lib
[23:49] <fta> this year was the 1st year i failed to complete my taxes on linux
[23:50] <fta> the very last step failed, the signing applet
[23:50] <fta> (in france)
[23:51] <rzr> i managed all times
[23:51] <rzr> but it took me time
[23:51] <fta> i'm always in a hurry
[23:52] <fta> last minute thing
[23:52] <rzr> http://rzr.online.fr/q/java.fr
[23:54] <fta> so it was just a problem with libnssdbm3.so ?
[23:58] <rzr> et des paths manquants
[23:59] <fta> si c'est ca, c'est à cause de debian, le /usr/lib/nss vient de là.


[02:50] <ojwb> the hutt river is bank-to-bank and very brown
[02:50] <ojwb> even past the banks in some places it seems
[20:50] <ibeardslee> morning
[21:01] <ajmitch> morning
[21:15] <ibeardslee> a Pentium 200 is 64MB of RAM takes a while to boot from the systemrescue CD
[21:17] <ajmitch> CD drive is probably a little slow as well
[21:18] <ibeardslee> yeap
[21:25] <ibeardslee> and of course wipe is not that fast either
[21:26] <Atamira> morning
[21:26] <Atamira> such a beautiful day today
[21:26]  * ibeardslee , doubting, looks out the window
[21:27] <ojwb> morning
[21:33] <ajmitch> ibeardslee: it's only a little damp here :)
[21:34] <ojwb> it was cloudy and misty when ibeardslee said that, but now the sun is shining
[21:36] <ibeardslee> it's been going off and on today


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[03:23] <bigjools> jtv: was there a good reason to optimise the lease sending to the region so it didn't send them if there were no changes?
[03:23] <bigjools> I ask because of this bug with static IPs; if the leases are sent before the node is in maas then the cluster_interface link is never made
[03:24] <bigjools> so I have two choices to fix this: 1. send all leases every time, 2. add a separate job to parse the in-DB ones
[03:24] <bigjools> well "parse", read and apply the link I mean
[03:30] <jtv> bigjools: the reason was just generic worry about size, not any problem that we encountered in practice.
[03:31] <jtv> Is this what's been causing the bug where nodes didn't get static addresses in CI?
[03:32] <jtv> It's not a matter of checking at MACAddress creation time whether a lease existed?
[03:49] <bigjools> jtv: that would be a third solution yes
[05:29] <bigjools> jtv: ok, I did it that way: https://code.launchpad.net/~julian-edwards/maas/always-send-leases/+merge/234052
[06:16] <jtv> bigjools: funny how that problem pattern keeps cropping up in software.
[06:17] <bigjools> jtv: which one?
[06:17] <jtv> Having to detect that a combination of two events have occurred both when one occurs and when the other occurs.
[06:17] <bigjools> ah yes
[06:18] <bigjools> I thought about using signals, and then I slapped myself in the face and woke up
[09:01] <gmb> allenap: Branch: lp:~gmb/maas/port-add-virsh-to-rpc ; bin/test.maas maasserver.models.tests.test_nodegroup produces http://paste.ubuntu.com/8307588/
[09:01] <gmb> (this is the "Twisted is twisting my melon" problem, not the isolation problem.")
[09:02] <allenap> gmb: /me looks
[09:02] <gmb> allenap: The "expected to be called…" thing I understand; it's the __call__ takes 2 arguments bit that I'm fuzzy on.
[09:04] <allenap> gmb: In NodeGroup.add_virsh you need to use keywords for all arguments (other than the command) when using the client.
[09:06] <gmb> allenap: AAAAAAAAAAAAAH
[09:06] <gmb> allenap: Can we improve that error, or is that upstream (looks like upstream…)
[09:07] <jtv> bigjools: I need to get a node's StaticIPAddress objects, but Node.static_ip_addresses returns address strings, not the objects.  Would it make sense to split out the part that returns StaticIPAddress objects?
[09:08] <bigjools> jtv: no, one moment OTP
[09:15] <caribou> jtv: remember my rsyslog query yesterday ? The MP for it is in Bug #1346703
[09:17] <allenap> gmb: We can improve that error; I’ll sort it out.
[09:21] <gmb> allenap: Thanks. I was also missing a .wait(), but the error for that is *amazingly* helpful. I'm going to assume you wrote the code that generates it, so _thank you_.
[09:22] <jtv> caribou: that explains why I didn't see it on the reviews list — we normally work against the upstream branches!
[09:22] <jtv> In this case, that'd be lp:~maas-maintainers/maas/packaging
[09:22] <caribou> jtv: I know, but the fix is on the debian packaging files which are not on the dev branch
[09:22] <jtv> We have separate upstream branches for those  ^
[09:23] <caribou> jtv: ah, so you have a specific branch for the packaging; want me to do the MP against this branch ?
[09:23] <jtv> Yes please!
[09:23] <jtv> You can probably just hit Resubmit.
[09:26] <caribou> jtv: sure, will do right now
[09:26] <bigjools> jtv: ok sorry I misread, yes, split it out
[09:26]  * bigjools back later
[09:26] <caribou> jtv: I *manually* tested it on Utopic; seems to work fine
[09:26] <caribou> jtv: i.e. I rebuilt the packages & installed the debs
[09:28] <jtv> Thanks bigjools
[09:28] <jtv> caribou: if you check out lp:maas and cd into it, you can just run "make package" — will create packages in ../build-area
[09:28] <jtv> (Bit weird as a location, but otherwise very convenient)
[09:29] <caribou> jtv: good to know. I build so many pkg that debuild -S && sbuild are my friends
[09:29] <caribou> jtv: ok, I just resubmitted to lp:~maas-maintainers/maas/packaging
[09:30] <caribou> jtv: regarding Bug #1367266, want me to do a MP for this one as well ?
[09:31] <caribou> I saw that there was already the same for maas-cluster-controller
[09:32] <jtv> caribou: first let's see if allenap knows more.  We may also want to add it to one of the lists in required-packages (in the main source branch) to facilitate development.
[09:33] <caribou> jtv: ok, fine. as long as it is referenced somewhere. I just stumbled over it while testing the other bug
[09:33] <jtv> allenap: do you know more about maas-region-controller needing python-pexpect installed?  Seems to be a missing or misplaced dependency.
[09:36] <jtv> caribou: weird, now I don't see your MP at all...
[09:36] <caribou> jtv: lemme check; I'm far from being a pro @bzr
[09:38] <caribou> jtv: http://goo.gl/qvxu1g
[09:38] <jtv> caribou: it's got a conflict, too.  :(
[09:39] <jtv> Grrr.  That resubmit did not work out the way I hoped.  :(
[09:39] <jtv> I'm sorry about that.
[09:39] <caribou> jtv: nevermind, it's only a few minutes to destroy it & redo
[09:40] <caribou> jtv: let me do it the proper way
[09:40] <jtv> Thanks.
[09:48] <allenap> jtv: I suspect that’s for virsh support via SSH. blake_r?
[09:48] <jtv> blake_r: do you know about the maas-region-controller package seemingly missing a dependency on python-pexpect?
[09:49] <allenap> gmb: Up for a review? https://code.launchpad.net/~allenap/maas/rpc-better-client-error/+merge/234077
[09:50] <gmb> allenap: Sure
[09:51] <gmb> allenap: Lovely. Thankee :)
[09:52] <caribou> jtv: it's there I think : https://code.launchpad.net/~louis-bouchard/maas/lp1346703_rsyslog_ownership/+merge/234080
[09:52] <jtv> caribou: I will have to leave very soon...  still not seeing it on the list for some reason!
[09:52]  * jtv checks again
[09:53] <jtv> Oh yes, there it is.
[09:53] <caribou> jtv: no worry, it can wait until tomorrow
[09:53] <caribou> jtv: or later
[09:53] <jtv> Why does everybody have names of such similar lengths?  :)
[09:53] <jtv> Thanks.
[09:54] <gmb> allenap: In turn, here's my AddVirsh branch. https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/maas/port-add-virsh-to-rpc/+merge/234082
[09:55] <gmb> (If you've time)
[09:55] <jtv> caribou: I set a commit message (otherwise tarmac won't land the branch, but not complain either).  One thing still looks off: why did the top of the changelog get sliced off?
[09:56] <caribou> jtv: fine; Re: changelog I don't know
[09:56] <jtv> bigjools: drat, I need all of a node's IP/MAC mappings, but StaticIPAddress doesn't directly refer to the MAC.    To get around that, push with the --overwrite option.
[10:00] <caribou> jtv: k
[10:00]  * jtv runs
[10:00] <jtv> nn folks!
[10:00] <rvba> nn jtv
[10:07] <caribou> ok, MP is fixed, jtv can have a look at it tomorrow
[10:52] <gmb> allenap (and maybe rvba; this is part-Django): I have a problem with lp:~gmb/maas/create-node-to-use-RPC. jtv was right about the source of the isolation problem, but now I can't get one of my tests to work… bin/test.maas src/maasserver/rpc/tests/test_nodes.py:TestCreateNode.test_creates_node always produces the following: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8308294/. I've used set_trace() to check that MACAddresses are actually getting created for the node — th
[10:53] <gmb> rvba, allenap: Diff here, for reference: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8308308/
[11:01] <allenap> gmb: I’ll take a look.
[11:10] <gmb> allenap: Thanks.
[11:13] <gmb> allenap: Also, thanks for the review; I thought I'd pushed a version of that branch without the "spoons" logger, which was for debugging purposes :)
[11:14] <allenap> gmb: I like it though. Let’s see if we can introduce it via acronym/bacronym.
[11:16] <gmb> :)
[11:17] <gmb> Synchronous-Procedural-Object-Oriented-Networking
[11:50] <allenap> gmb: That was a tricky one. I’m surprised we haven’t seen it before. http://paste.ubuntu.com/8308719/ fixes it.
[11:50] <allenap> gmb: I’ll write a test for that.
[11:59] <allenap> gmb: I’ll put it up for review.
[12:09] <allenap> gmb: https://code.launchpad.net/~allenap/maas/transactional-close-connections-on-outermost-exit-only/+merge/234092
[12:09]  * allenap goes for lunch
[12:43] <gmb> allenap: Many thanks!
[13:28] <blake_r> jtv: that dependency should be on python-provisioningserver not on maas-region-controller
[13:52] <caribou> allenap: I'm find with your suggestion, I'll fix the branch & push it back
[13:53] <allenap> caribou: Cool, thanks.
[13:54] <caribou> allenap: out of curiosity, what's wrong with -exec on the find cmd ? it forks one proc for each one it finds ?
[13:57] <roaksoax> jamespage: what dependency is this?
[14:08] <caribou> allenap: Done, just pushed the requested change
[14:11] <jamespage> roaksoax, ?
[14:24] <roaksoax> jamespage: sorry :) wrong nick!
[14:26] <jamespage> roaksoax, np
[14:29] <allenap> caribou: Ta!
[14:30] <caribou> allenap: thanks
[14:53] <rvba> allenap: is the cluster supposed to be connected in a dev environment?  I mean, does a dev environment mimics what's happening in a package w.r.t. cluster<->region connection?
[15:06] <allenap> rvba: It should be, yes.
[15:07] <rvba> allenap: hum, it doesn't seem to work (my code works fine from a package, I see the result of my method change when I start and stop pserv).  I'll investigate.
[15:07] <allenap> rvba: If it’s not working, bigjools filed bug 1361037 which might be relevant.
[15:08] <rvba> Ah, that might be it…
[15:13] <roaksoax> caribou: have you ever seen find being used in postinst scripts?
[15:13] <roaksoax> caribou: i'm not comfortable on applying that fix
[15:13] <roaksoax> to packaging
[15:16] <roaksoax> caribou: nevermind, found packaging that uses it
[16:04] <gmb> Branch up for review, for them as has time: https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/maas/port-add-seamicro-to-RPC/+merge/234148
[16:35] <gmb> allenap: Any idea why http://paste.ubuntu.com/8310773/ would produce http://paste.ubuntu.com/8310796/?
[16:35] <gmb> It succeeds… whilst talkign about a failure.
[16:36] <gmb> Which is suboptimal
[16:36] <allenap> gmb: /me looks
[16:37] <gmb> allenap: I'm guessing that I'm just missing something twistedy
[16:39] <allenap> gmb: Can you run with -v to see which test that’s being emitted from?
[16:42] <gmb> ure
[16:42] <gmb> sure
[16:44] <gmb> allenap: Oh, durr! found the problem. I had find_ip_via_arp() returning None in another test.
[16:44] <gmb> allenap: Thanks for the hint :)
[16:49] <allenap> gmb: Cool :)
[16:50] <roadmr> hello maas folks :) I have a custom image I'd like to deploy using maas (it's a tar.gz that should be "curtin-ready"). How do I make maas aware of it so I can have a node installed with it?
[16:54] <caribou> roaksoax: I had concerns about using find as well
[16:55] <allenap> gmb: Easy karma? https://code.launchpad.net/~allenap/maas/pserv-dhcp-removals/+merge/234153
[16:59] <gmb> allenap: Karma acheived.
[16:59]  * gmb -> out for the evening. Night folks; see you on the morrow.
[17:00] <allenap> gmb: Thanks, have a good evening.
[17:07] <allenap> blake_r: You landed something today (I probably reviewed it even…) re. boot images, iirc. How close are we to not needing the report_boot_images Celery task any more?
[18:14] <roaksoax> caribou: yeah, so provided that there's similar stuff in other packages, I'm happy to keep it
[18:14] <roaksoax> blake_r: ^^
[18:14] <roaksoax> blake_r: to allenap's query?
[19:20] <blake_r> allenap: almost there for not needing the celery task, all the api calls, and the boot image table completely
[19:21] <blake_r> allenap: i will remove them once its ready
[19:29] <lamont> ERROR 2014-09-10 19:28:05,325 maasserver ################################ Exception: 'Expired timestamp: given<PHONE_NUMBER> and now<PHONE_NUMBER> has a greater difference than threshold 300' ################################
[19:29] <lamont> what usually causes that?
[19:31] <blake_r> lamont: the time on the node is 5minutes different than the server
[19:33] <lamont> freshly provisioning node..  I would expect it to run ntpdate, no?
[19:33] <roaksoax> lamont: cloud-init might have a race.. cloud-init is the one who takes care of ensure the clocks are the same
[19:34] <blake_r> roaksoax: https://code.launchpad.net/~blake-rouse/maas/fix-cluster-image-syncing/+merge/234192
[19:34] <blake_r> roaksoax: fixed ^
[19:35] <lamont> ta
[19:38] <roaksoax> blake_r: awesome! does that fix the eveyr 15 min import?
[19:38] <blake_r> roaksoax: yep
[19:38] <roaksoax> blake_r: ok great! so multipart is also done?
[19:38] <blake_r> roaksoax: yep, both up for review
[19:39] <roaksoax> blake_r: awesome! then the only thing left is psycopg?
[19:40] <roaksoax> blake_r: has upstream said anything else?
[19:40] <blake_r> roaksoax: yes
[19:40] <blake_r> roaksoax: needs to be fixed, for if the client is 9.3 but the server is 9.2
[19:40] <blake_r> roaksoax: needs to be fixed, for if the client is 9.3 but the server is <9.2
[19:40] <roaksoax> blake_r: ok, so, that would be the last blocker to support large images then
[19:41] <blake_r> roaksoax: yes
[19:41] <roaksoax> blake_r: anychance you can take care of that today ?
[19:41] <blake_r> roaksoax: hopefully
[19:44] <roaksoax> blake_r: awesome! thanks for the hard work
[19:44] <roaksoax> this is awesome
[19:44] <blake_r> roaksoax: np