[02:55] <orangerange> Avinoam, oh, i see. thanks.
[02:55] <powerlinux> holas
[02:56] <rg58sma> http://www.fmrockandpop.com/v2/vivo.htm
[02:57] <powerlinux> alguien m puede ayudar?
[02:58] <orangerange> Avinoam, are you sure? I've had some windows open for many many hours (like 20 hours), and top's time give a small figure, such as  17:28.62.
[02:59] <Avinoam> If i use partition manager to resize my linux partition, it won't corrupt my file system, will it?
[02:59] <orangerange> I ran vmstat 1. what's the purpose of that? and how do i make it stop?
[02:59] <Avinoam> I wouldn't know
[03:00] <johan_> Section "Device"
[03:00] <johan_> 	Identifier	"ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon X300 SE (RV370)"
[03:00] <johan_> 	Driver		"fglrx"
[03:00] <johan_> 	BusID		"PCI:2:0:0"
[03:00] <johan_>         Option          "UseInternalAGPART" "no"
[03:00] <johan_> is this setting ok
[03:00] <johan_> sorry for that
[03:00] <johan_> i'm not sure with oiption line
[03:00] <johan_> Option
[03:00] <Nic> with mac moving to x86 do u think itll be easier to have a "wine" for mac programs rather than windows programs
[03:01] <Nic> seeing as osx is unix based
[03:01] <Nic> ?
[03:01] <Nic> i'm looking foward to having ableton live on linux :D
[03:01] <orangerange> Avinoam, please confirm about how "top" displays "time "
[03:01] <Avinoam> orangeorange i'm not sure
[03:03] <orangerange> can anyone tell me how to find out who is using a particular nickname? Someone seems to have taken the nickname that I've been using for a long time.
[03:05] <johan_> i do i log out of X
[03:05] <johan_> and back in
[03:05] <Thazza> Anyone know any issues with compling the new version of FluxBox on Horary???
[03:05] <johan_> i always forget
[03:05] <johan_> i'm on flux and its all good
[03:06] <jreed> breezy Q: when i install xserver-xorg 6.8.2-22, i get /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg as a symlink pointing to itself. anyone else seen this?
[03:06] <Rayen16> hi, do i need to start the Ubuntu installation on a 'different' way if I have HyperThreading ?
[03:06] <Thazza> johan_, I get a whole heap of errors when making it.. Did you complie yourself?
[03:07] <johan_> no
[03:07] <Thazza> johan_, Did you get a Binary?
[03:07] <johan_> i did apt-get
[03:08] <johan_> works fine
[03:08] <johan_> can someone tell me how to log off
[03:08] <johan_> i'm sure someone knows
[03:09] <chol> johan_, press exit in the menu?
[03:09] <Thazza> johan_,  I guess it is somewhere not in my sources.
[03:09] <chol> Thazza, have you checked so that you have all -dev libraries installed?
[03:09] <johan_> chol can you give more detail
[03:09] <chol> jreed, it says something about breezy in topic i believe
[03:10] <sha_yang> #indonesia
[03:10] <chol> johan_, it was flux you were running?
[03:10] <johan_> i just need to log off X, i'm sure at least one person here is not new to ubuntu
[03:10] <johan_> not it was, it is
[03:10] <jreed> yes it does! just non immediately visible in xchat. sorry for asking!
[03:10] <chol> johan_, use the exit-menu-item
[03:10] <johan_> i mean thats what i use now
[03:11] <chol> johan_, ctrl-alt-bs
[03:11] <chol> johan_,  [exit]  (Exit)
[03:11] <chol> johan_, what are you looking for??
[03:11] <johan_> chol the exit-menu-item brings me to the ubuntu login page
[03:12] <chol> johan_, and so it's supposed.. you mean stop the login manager
[03:12] <johan_> i just wanna go in something like init2
[03:12] <chol> johan_, ok, just do it then :)
[03:12] <chol> johan_, type init 2 or stop gdm
[03:12] <johan_> how do you stop gdm
[03:13] <johan_> cuz for some reason when i do init 2 nothing happen
[03:13] <chol> johan_, it's already in level 2.. debian has all in there
[03:14] <synd-> im speechelss
[03:14] <chol> johan_, just stop gdm by its init-script
[03:14] <sparkling> hi all, how i can install a program on a usb key with a live ubuntu distro for powerpc?
[03:15] <Methynutnut> sparkling: that's a lot of mucking around, is it really necessary?
[03:15] <sparkling> unfortunately yes
[03:16] <Methynutnut> well there's nothing really special about a USB key, you just have to mount it and tell your program to install itself there, which usually isn't too hard if you're compiling it, because you can use the prefix option on the configure script to set the install location
[03:17] <sparkling> mm ok..
[03:18] <orangerange> can anyone tell me how my computer can run slow even if 'top' says that my cpu usage is at 20%?
[03:18] <Methynutnut> orangerange: quite likely it's something else, like your hard drive subsystem that's running slowly
[03:18] <``endy> orangerange, low memory?
[03:19] <``endy> hi, i have a custom kernel and my nvidia drivers need to be re installed after every boot. anyone know why?
[03:19] <``endy> i get this in the nvidia log " Unable to access previously installed file
[03:19] <``endy>    '/usr/lib/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.1.0.7664' (No such file or directory).
[03:19] <``endy> -> Unable to access previously installed symlink
[03:19] <``endy>    '/usr/lib/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.1' (No such file or directory).
[03:19] <``endy> "
[03:19] <``endy> :)
[03:19] <orangerange> Methynutnut, ``endy , could it have something to do with what the systems monitor applet is showing me:  a high IOwait level?
[03:19] <Methynutnut> Yes, that would easily be the cause of a slow system
[03:19] <orangerange> anyway, Methynutnut, what do you mean by HD subsystem? I have only one hard drive.
[03:20] <orangerange> ``endy, do you refer to RAM?
[03:20] <``endy> i was but it was just a guess
[03:20] <Methynutnut> orangerange: by hard drive subsystem I refer to the hard drive along with its interface on the motherboard
[03:20] <hayden> i have a 15GB fat32 partition how can i make the partition my users /home/username folder
[03:21] <orangerange> Methynutnut, so  is your idea of HD subsystem directly related to IOWait? or do they have nothing to do with each other?
[03:21] <Methynutnut> orangerange: I'm not sure myself, but IOwait could refer to either your hard drive or your memory, neither of which are directly related to your CPU
[03:21] <Methynutnut> how much RAM do you have?
[03:22] <orangerange> Methynutnut, i have 250 ram. the system monitor applet is so unpredicatable at this hour: one moment it's down to 10%, the next moment, it's at 100%.
[03:23] <orangerange> and about my harddrive, i have quite a number of Gigs of free space still remaining.
[03:23] <``endy> gkrellm is probably a better monitor app
[03:23] <orangerange> Methynutnut, okay, now it's all hushed up.
[03:23] <Methynutnut> ok then. I can't really tell you much else, other than it probably isn't your CPU that's making your system slow
[03:24] <sparkling> does ubuntu live cd have gnucash preinstalled on cd?
[03:24] <orangerange> Methynutnut, so you're saying: when the sysmonitor applet shows high cpu usage, it's got nothing to do with my CPU? I'm a bit confused.
[03:25] <Methynutnut> It does, but you said it was only on 20%?
[03:25] <orangerange> ``endy, is that so? I tried running gkrellm, but i don' have it. what makes it a better monitor app?
[03:25] <``endy> i'm assuming the applet you are using is very basic
[03:25] <orangerange> Methynutnut, in top, the number could be small, but it "contradicts" the graph shown in the sysmonitor applet.
[03:26] <Methynutnut> well you have to decide which is telling the truth, then
[03:26] <Methynutnut> mine agrees perfectly
[03:26] <hayden> i have a 15GB fat32 partition how can i make the partition my users /home/username folder
[03:26] <orangerange> Methynutnut, i put "contradict" in quotation marks because I think that they are not in conflict with each other. Probably I just don't know how to read them.
[03:27] <Methynutnut> In that case, just use the top number
[03:27] <JPohlmann> Hey all. I've got a problem with ACPI and a Thinkpad R51 here. I'm using hibernate mode and whenever I re-activate my notebook it starts and returns into the mode I get when calling "echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep". Any ideas?
[03:29] <``endy> anyone know why i have to reinstall the nvidia drivers (from nvidia site) for my custom kernel after every boot?
[03:29] <orangerange> Methynutnut, but it is when the applet shows high activity that my computer runs slow.
[03:29] <JPohlmann> The drama: "sudo /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh" => Notebook is suspended => Power button => Notebook wakes up, boots and finishes resuming => Immediate return into sleep mode.
[03:30] <Methynutnut> I don't understand, top and the applet display exactly the same information
[03:31] <``endy> heh, have you checked for rootkits?
[03:32] <``endy> thats a possible if unlikely cause for bad output from things like top
[03:33] <liwen> hi ,i want to ask some question about WINE
[03:33] <desplesda> liwen: see the topic :P just go ahead and ask the question
[03:33] <lotusleaf> liwen, ask away, and #winehq also exists for your WINE discussion pleasure :)
[03:33] <desplesda> don't ask if you can ask :)
[03:34] <liwen> thx
[03:35] <liwen> when i use #wine  XXXXX/office2000/setup.exe
[03:35] <liwen> err:module:import_dll Loading library shlwapi.dll (which is needed by L"C:\\Windows\\System\\shell32.dll") failed (error c0000020).
[03:35] <liwen> err:module:import_dll Loading library SHLWAPI.dll (which is needed by L"C:\\Windows\\System\\SHELL32.dll") failed (error c0000020).
[03:35] <liwen> err:module:import_dll Library SHELL32.dll (which is needed by L"Z:\\mydoc\\soft\\office2000\\setup.exe") not found
[03:35] <liwen> err:module:import_dll Loading library RPCRT4.dll (which is needed by L"C:\\Windows\\System\\ole32.dll") failed (error c0000020).
[03:35] <liwen> err:module:import_dll Loading library rpcrt4.dll (which is needed by L"C:\\Windows\\System\\ole32.dll") failed (error c0000020).
[03:35] <JPohlmann> Does nobody have an idea regarding my ACPI problem?
[03:35] <liwen> err:module:import_dll Library ole32.dll (which is needed by L"Z:\\mydoc\\soft\\office2000\\setup.exe") not found
[03:35] <liwen> err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"Z:\\mydoc\\soft\\office2000\\setup.exe" failed, status c0000135
[03:37] <``endy> liwen, use openoffice? ;)
[03:39] <liwen> yes i use openoffice.but some ppt document wrote in mathtype can`t display in openoffice
[03:39] <lotusleaf> liwen, have you tried that crossover program?
[03:39] <liwen> crossover?  not free.
[03:40] <lotusleaf> liwen, just a suggestion ;-)
[03:40] <liwen> hah
[03:40] <``endy> i've used it before and it ran MS office fine
[03:41] <liwen> really? endy
[03:41] <liwen> share some thing with us
[03:41] <``endy> yeah but afaik you still have to buy it
[03:41] <``endy> crossover that is
[03:42] <liwen> no crack here? :)
[03:42] <cody> Hello i need some help please
[03:42] <liwen> can talk some crack?   OP?
[03:43] <Nic> anyone know what the command to open a server window in xchat is, in a new tab, mirc used to be /server -m irc.whateva
[03:43] <cody> I have a networked windows PC i can see if i goto places>Network How can i add a short-cut or launcher to point to it? ( i have only been using Linux a couple days but i know alot about it).
[03:44] <``endy> nic,  /newserver
[03:44] <mark2> somebody here from germany?
[03:44] <liwen> china
[03:44] <Nic> champion, thanks
[03:44] <JPohlmann> mark2, yes.
[03:44] <cody> There any OP"S here?
[03:45] <mark2> i need help with my ubuntu^^
[03:45] <cody> so do i
[03:45] <JPohlmann> mark2, so what's your problem?
[03:45] <eks> mark2: #ubuntu-de
[03:45] <cody> can some one help me
[03:45] <eks> form german help :)
[03:45] <``endy> cody, i use "Places > Connect to server" that makes a shortcut.
[03:45] <mark2> thanks eks ;-)
[03:46] <cody> Yes ``endy but i have to then go thru like 6 folder's i want a short cut straight to that networked folder
[03:47] <eks> :)
[03:47] <``endy> yeah i think it allows you to choose the folder
[03:47] <liwen> linux support chinese poorly .
[03:47] <``endy> i got my ssh server connected like that, if i understand correctly
[03:47] <cody> yes but if i try to add a launcher or shortcut i cant see my networks under the browse for folder diloge
[03:48] <``endy> i don't know then
[03:48] <cody> Do you understadn what im trying todo?
[03:48] <``endy> no, lo
[03:48] <cody> ok
[03:49] <cody> IS THERE ANY ONE ELSE WHO CAN HELP ME???
[03:49] <Oberone> HA
[03:49] <Oberone> heh
[03:49] <cody> thanka anyways for your help ``eny
[03:49] <cody> ``endy**
[03:49] <``endy> np, didn't really help but hehe :)
[03:49] <cody> lol but thanks anyways
[03:50] <liwen> hehe,me 2
[03:50] <cody> I thought this was a help channel all these people here and no one can help?
[03:50] <cody> lol
[03:51] <liwen> i am just lilke you.newbie
[03:51] <cody> i see
[03:51] <cody> me to im a n00b only been using linux for about 4 days
[03:51] <cody> but
[03:51] <Oberone> actualy its a user channel not a paid help desk and most US users are at work - the best bet is to either wait or go back to simpler times....
[03:52] <liwen> haha, 2 weeks
[03:52] <lotusleaf> cody, there's also ubuntu forums
[03:52] <cody> i have a experienced linux user who helps me but hes not online
[03:52] <Oberone> I find just hanging out awnsers many more questions than getting frustrated and leaving though
[03:52] <Nic> so wait till he is :)
[03:52] <cody> Whos on?
[03:52] <liwen> cody,before linux ,what OS you use?
[03:53] <cody> XP and i still have it on my 2 comps
[03:53] <cody> and work with it and install it all the time
[03:53] <liwen> how much one copy of XP in your country
[03:53] <synd-> cody, you install it all the time : )
[03:54] <cody> lol
[03:54] <liwen> cody?
[03:54] <cody> ok for a full copy it is $96 USD and i can install one copy on upto 2 computers
[03:54] <synd-> Amaranth, you there?
[03:54] <cody> IM in USA
[03:54] <tiglionabbit> 2 computers, really?
[03:54] <cody> yes
[03:54] <cody> used to be 5
[03:55] <liwen> so expensive
[03:55] <cody> But MS made it down to 2 now
[03:55] <liwen> i am in china
[03:55] <tiglionabbit> I wish I'd known that.  Back when I got the OS..
[03:55] <Guerin> windows pricing is the same worldwide
[03:55] <cody> og
[03:55] <cody> oh
[03:55] <cody> Easy to install
[03:55] <tiglionabbit> ah well, got ubuntu now
[03:55] <tiglionabbit> dual boot
[03:55] <cody> Wanna here a small werid story
[03:55] <cody> me to
[03:55] <cody> DUAL
[03:56] <liwen> i even dont know the price,winXP
[03:56] <cody> i got XP to run on a 99mhz comp with 4gig hd and 64mb ran its a little slow but it works enough to run a nice apache server
[03:56] <Helix_> Hi all !
[03:57] <cody> ill brb everyone
[03:57] <liwen> ubuntu is good desk OS
[03:57] <tiglionabbit> you what?  64mb ram with XP?  ...  and it's a windows server?
[03:57] <Helix_> I want to configure Synaptic in order to use a socks server, how can I do that ?
[03:57] <liwen> but chinese support not so well
[03:58] <Oberone> liwen, yould have to take that up with the chinese...;)
[03:59] <Helix_> Nobody knows ?
[03:59] <synd-> anyone read Dvorak's article about how he believes linux will be hurt the worst by Apple's move to x86?
[03:59] <goo> urgh. The python2.4-bsddb3 package lacks the bsddb185 module. Too bad :(
[04:00] <d3bian> what kinda socks do currentlu have installed in your system Helix
[04:00] <liwen> oberone,i will
[04:00] <tiglionabbit> why would linux be hurt by that?
[04:00] <Helix_> d3bian, it isn't in my system but on the intranet
[04:00] <rayen> hi, I want to compile my own kernel, do I need the linux headers for it ?
[04:00] <synd-> tiglionrabbit: you decide http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7BD0E8469A%2D28FC%2D415D%2D9281%2DC97B5FA2CA3D%7D&siteid=mktw&
[04:01] <Helix_> d3bian, I'm at school, and in order to access Internet, apps must pass through a socks5 server
[04:01] <tiglionabbit> I heard that even though Apple is moving to x86, they're still going to try to have specific hardware for it and make it hard to run on generic machines
[04:01] <Helix_> d3bian, a proxy-like
[04:01] <tiglionabbit> at least, that's what I gathered from the slashdot comments
[04:01] <d3bian> then if your in school u have to talk to your sysadmin for those kinda questions
[04:01] <d3bian> OOHHHH u want to use sysnaptic thru a proxy?
[04:01] <synd-> i agree, i cannot fathom Mac OS X running on little beige boxes.
[04:02] <Helix_> d3bian, no no, I have a userlogin & password
[04:02] <Helix_> d3bian, in order to use the proxy
[04:02] <Helix_> d3bian, but I don't know how to configure synaptic for that
[04:02] <synd-> but now that OS X is able to run on x86 architechures, then the ability to run on little beige boxes will be a bit easier.
[04:02] <synd-> is going to be able to run*
[04:02] <``endy> i'm sure someone will have it runnning on a regular pc very fast
[04:03] <d3bian> thats easy Helix
[04:03] <d3bian> go to settings
[04:03] <d3bian> then preferences
[04:03] <d3bian> then the network tab
[04:03] <d3bian> and put ur proxy info and u should be set
[04:03] <yaaar_work> word
[04:03] <chillywilly> anyone install version 2.80 of the mplayer plugin on hoary?
[04:03] <liwen> i hear about that in US or EUR one computer price half hardware half software?
[04:03] <liwen> really?
[04:03] <chillywilly> is there a package somewhere (most of them are version 2.70)
[04:05] <diego> liwen: depends on the computer...
[04:05] <Helix_> d3bian, I've already did it, but it doesn't work
[04:06] <liwen> i am very interesting with you all from EUP US(we call you western country)
[04:06] <liwen> hahhhhh
[04:07] <fan_gnr> hello
[04:07] <fan_gnr> hello guys
[04:07] <fan_gnr> anybody there?
[04:07] <diego> fan_gnr: hi
[04:07] <fan_gnr> hi
[04:07] <fan_gnr> i wanna write a CD
[04:07] <fan_gnr> how can i do that/>
[04:07] <fan_gnr> how can i plz!
[04:07] <diego> fan_gnr: how about some details? what do you want to write?
[04:07] <mjr> fan_gnr, the easiest, though a bit limited, way is to use Nautilus
[04:07] <fan_gnr> data
[04:07] <fan_gnr> nothing else
[04:08] <diego> fan_gnr: mjr's suggesting then
[04:08] <fan_gnr> but how do i do that in nautilus?
[04:08] <mjr> go to location burn:// with ctrl-l, for example
[04:08] <liwen>
[04:09] <eyequeue> liwen?
[04:09] <mjr> ISO files can be burned directly by right-clicking
[04:09] <fan_gnr> how can i make a data CD using nautlius?
[04:09] <mjr> I just told you
[04:09] <fan_gnr> no its not an ISO
[04:09] <liwen> sorry my chinese input tools
[04:09] <something_else> has anyone here successfully read from an sd/mmc card reader?
[04:09] <BockBilbo> is there any easy way to change the encoding of a large amount of text files to UTF-8 ?
[04:10] <mjr> fan_gnr, I told you the other way too
[04:10] <eyequeue> liwen:  just wondering :)
[04:10] <BockBilbo> maybe a command in the shell?
[04:10] <fan_gnr> k
[04:10] <fan_gnr> fine
[04:10] <mjr> BockBilbo, recode sourceencoding..utf-8 *
[04:10] <mjr> you might have to install recode first, I don't think it's there by default
[04:10] <BockBilbo> i see
[04:10] <``endy> something_else, i've had the sd card reader on my printer working
[04:11] <mjr> (but should be just an apt-get away)
[04:11] <BockBilbo> mjr, im installing it now via apt
[04:11] <something_else> on your printer? :|
[04:11] <``endy> it just worked iirc. but you may need to edit your fstab
[04:11] <BockBilbo> show, after installing it, just use that
[04:11] <BockBilbo> right?
[04:11] <something_else> hmm ... i dunno
[04:11] <mjr> right
[04:11] <something_else> dmesg fails to show that a card has been input
[04:12] <Chetic> 3
[04:12] <something_else> where as lspci shows the card reader has been installed
[04:12] <Chetic> What tool should I use if I want to convert MP3 to WAV?
[04:12] <something_else> so im assuming it works, but have no idea as whether im supposed to mount this
[04:12] <``endy> did you try and manually mount it?
[04:12] <liwen> eyequeue, haha you know it is very difficult for our eastern to learn your language
[04:12] <tiglionabbit> chetic: audacity work for you?
[04:12] <something_else> well i would, if i could identify the device
[04:12] <BockBilbo> mjr,
[04:12] <BockBilbo> so see.. the files i need to recode to utf8 are php files
[04:12] <BockBilbo> so
[04:12] <JPohlmann> Chetic: Did you try mpg123 (or was it mpg321)?
[04:12] <mjr> Chetic, mpg321 for example
[04:12] <Chetic> tiglionabbit, we'll see
[04:13] <Chetic> ohh JPohlmann / mjr, I'll use that
[04:13] <liwen> chetic i see some japanese
[04:13] <eyequeue> liwen:  and vice versa :)
[04:13] <Chetic> liwen, excuse me :p
[04:13] <BockBilbo> should i do smtging like recode -s UTF-8 *.php
[04:13] <liwen> from japan?
[04:14] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  cp them in a subdir first?
[04:14] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  for i in work/* ...
[04:15] <mjr> BockBilbo, unless you know what you're doing, just recode source..utf-8 *php, where "source" is the charset they're currently encoded in
[04:15] <Chetic> liwen, nah just learning a lil bit
[04:16] <liwen> ok go ahead,chetic
[04:16] <E0x> hello
[04:16] <BockBilbo> mjr, is there a way to know whats the default encoding of a textfile?
[04:17] <Chetic> liwen, nah I just forgot to switch off the writing thing, was a mistake :p
[04:17] <mjr> BockBilbo, the locale settings back when they were created would be a clue
[04:17] <BockBilbo> .. the problem is that i didnt create those files
[04:17] <mjr> otherwise, not really; utf-8 can be heuristically recognized, but the others are trickier
[04:18] <cody> hey
[04:18] <cody> im back
[04:18] <cody> you what?  64mb ram with XP?  ...  and it's a windows server?????
[04:18] <liwen> chetic  ;)   you just learn japanese?
[04:18] <cody> yes
[04:18] <cody> it was a server
[04:18] <cody> and it was fast
[04:19] <cody> a 56k dial up person could down load a 1.2mb file in about 2 mins
[04:19] <mjr> BockBilbo, just make an educated guess. Eg. windows-1252 is likely to work for western stuff (it's also a superset of latin-1 which is a superset of ascii, so both of those will work too)
[04:19] <cody> on that what u say is slow server
[04:19] <BockBilbo> let me see
[04:19] <bwlang> cody:that takes almost no memory or cpu power ... a 386 could do just as well
[04:20] <cody> what now?
[04:20] <dooglus> I used to get about 5kb/s download using a 486 processor
[04:20] <E0x> i want takeoff the panel's and window manager ( metacity ) of gnome and put another window manager ( as main window manager ) but left the other gnome stuff like nautilus ( for manage icons on desktop too ) gnome-volume-manager , etc ( i dont mean uinstall , only dont load in the desktop startup )   , what i need read or check for do that ? ( sorry my english is not good ) ??
[04:20] <notos> is any form to emulate a F8 Key press from console?
[04:21] <slask3n> i have a server that runs in console only, and i want to kill a process (vsftpd) but i dont know the job ID for it to use kill.. are there any other ways to kill a process or how can i print the job IDs?
[04:21] <BockBilbo> mjr, windows-1252 is the one
[04:21] <``endy> ps aux | grep vsftpd
[04:21] <E0x> slask3n ps aux | grep vsftpd
[04:21] <cody> ok i was jsut saying i had this old system running XP home spk2 and was still fast for a webserver with apache specs on cpu was: 99mhz 64mb ram 4gig hd old but made a good fast server no matter what the specs were.
[04:21] <``endy> ;)
[04:21] <skul> jo
[04:21] <E0x> ``endy dont read my mind
[04:22] <BockBilbo> but doesnt seen to do the reencoding properly
[04:22] <E0x> :P
[04:22] <skul> wer de hel ar de
[04:22] <slask3n> E0x: thanks, ill try :)
[04:22] <cody> btw i have a question can someone help me?
[04:22] <skul> home work sucks
[04:22] <liwen> could someone have the truetype font "simsun.ttf"   DCC me a copy?
[04:23] <cody> I NEED HELP CARE TO HELP ME WITH A PROBLEM A SIMPLE ONE?
[04:23] <berniv6> cody: like fixing your keyboard? :-)
[04:23] <cody> lol
[04:23] <cody> i was getting ur attechen
[04:24] <chol> cody, read the topic please :)
[04:24] <tiglionabbit> just ask the question, cody.  Don't ask to ask
[04:24] <PrimoTurbo> Hi
[04:24] <Oberone> cody, http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[04:24] <PrimoTurbo> I just installed Ubuntu
[04:24] <tiglionabbit> good for you, primoturbo
[04:24] <PrimoTurbo> how do I change my refresh rate?
[04:24] <mjr> BockBilbo, if it's the one, it should work; you probably have some other problem
[04:24] <cody> ok i've had it and my very talented linux person is off line righ tnow
[04:24] <BockBilbo> mjr, yes
[04:25] <BockBilbo> ive fixed it
[04:25] <BockBilbo> :)
[04:25] <BockBilbo> thank you so much
[04:25] <cody> brb
[04:25] <Oberone> cody, Im trying to spare you some pain - you might want to read that.
[04:25] <PrimoTurbo> can someone please tell me how I would go about changing my refresh rate?
[04:25] <E0x> PrimoTurbo , firts , need find the HorizSync and Vertical Refresh range , of you monitor , second , need add that informacion to you xorg.conf file , something like HorizSync 30-85 , VertRefresh 50-160
[04:26] <E0x> PrimoTurbo read the man xorg.conf
[04:26] <E0x> too
[04:26] <chol> PrimoTurbo, look around the menus, i believe gnome has some resolution changer in it
[04:26] <PrimoTurbo> alright I will my monitor is a syncmaster 753DF btw
[04:27] <E0x> chol yes , but if are not set propery in the xorg.conf , that tool dont show him the all frequency
[04:27] <tiglionabbit> that is quite true, chol, primoturbo, hit system->preferences->resolution
[04:27] <tiglionabbit> oh
[04:27] <PrimoTurbo> yeah just changed it :)
[04:27] <tiglionabbit> lol, it doesn't let me change them
[04:27] <chol> E0x, isn't it so regarding xorg that if no horiz or vert is set it's dynamic?
[04:28] <Lie-Algebra> hello, i am thinking about buying a laptop and install ubuntu on it (dual boot) but i dont have the faintest idea of what could i buy, is there a brand more reliable than the other  ?
[04:28] <PrimoTurbo> how do I install ati drivers now? Is there a guide somewhere?
[04:28] <``endy> afaik you want to set the correct horiz and vert rates in the xorg.conf else you could possibly damange your monitor.
[04:28] <E0x> chol i think , if xorg dont detect the correct range for horiz and vert , him put a generic range that will work with any monitor
[04:28] <E0x> ``endy true
[04:28] <E0x> PrimoTurbo look in the ubuntu wiki
[04:28] <E0x> exist a guide about that
[04:29] <azevedo> how do I change the screen resolution
[04:29] <E0x> PrimoTurbo http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:30] <chol> xvidtune could be a good program to look at aswell
[04:30] <E0x> azevedo system->preferences->resolution
[04:30] <rayen> hi, i was wondering why apt-get doesn't have mplayer ?
[04:30] <E0x> azevedo but maybe you will need add the correct range on you xorg.conf file
[04:30] <PrimoTurbo> thnx
[04:30] <tiglionabbit> rayen: you need more repositories
[04:30] <E0x> rayen add the universe repository
[04:31] <dade`> i'm customizing a live distro ubuntu-hoary based
[04:31] <kruseborn> i have a problem with my mail, using postfix can anyone help me?
[04:31] <dade`> i'm asking who and how created initrd.gz
[04:31] <dade`> that boots the live distro
[04:31] <E0x> well i answer 3 question now somebody help me , :D
[04:31] <chol> dade`, mkinitrd
[04:31] <Chetic> What's the easiest way to make my computer speak? :p All these speech synthesis programs seem so damn advanced
[04:31] <jetscreamer> mkinitrd
[04:31] <E0x> i want takeoff the panel's and window manager ( metacity ) of gnome and put another window manager ( as main window manager ) but left the other gnome stuff like nautilus ( for manage icons on desktop too ) gnome-volume-manager , etc ( i dont mean uinstall , only dont load in the desktop startup )   , what i need read or check for do that ? ( sorry my english is not good ) ??
[04:31] <dade`> but there are customized scripts inside i think
[04:31] <dade`> because at boot starts the debian installer
[04:32] <chol> E0x, startup application or something
[04:32] <dade`> with some specific application
[04:32] <rayen> tiglionabbit,  how?
[04:32] <tiglionabbit> E0x: I don't know how to dissociate a window manager with a desktop environment, but apt has several desktop environments to choose from, such as xfce4, fluxbox, kubuntu, etc
[04:32] <``endy> E0x, afaik matecity is the only wm in gnome right now. what other wm do you want?
[04:32] <kruseborn> i am getting this message, i have work with my mail for a long time so i would be very pleased
[04:32] <kruseborn> Jun  7 16:19:35 localhost imap(tobbe): open() failed with file /home/tobbe/Maildir/.Sent/cur/1118150439.P8579Q0M969949.ubuntu:2,S: Permission denied
[04:32] <kruseborn> Jun  7 16:19:35 localhost imap-login: Login: tobbe [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[04:32] <kruseborn> Jun  7 16:19:35 localhost imap(tobbe): utime() failed with index file /home/tobbe/Maildir/.INBOX/.imap.index: Operation not permitted
[04:32] <tiglionabbit> rayen: wanna modify sources.list or do it in synaptic?
[04:33] <hayden> does anyone have a script that i can use to connect to a wireless router with wpa security, i want just a shell script that i can run when i want to connect
[04:33] <azevedo> E0x, where is xorg.conf
[04:33] <``endy> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:33] <tiglionabbit> azevedo: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:34] <``endy> try "locate xorg.conf"
[04:34] <cody> lol i have been working on this file
[04:34] <rayen> tiglionabbit, i already found it :)
[04:34] <cody> sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:34] <tweakism> I'm trying to use http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelBuildpackageDetailedHowto to build a kernel package without a specific patch, but it doesn't use 00list-0.2custom (or 00list-0.2), it uses 00list-0.1, and I don't know why.
[04:35] <kruseborn> anyone have time for me???
[04:35] <xMaximex> d
[04:35] <tweakism> say my name if you talk to me.
[04:35] <Chetic> What's the name of a SIMPLE TTS program?
[04:35] <tiglionabbit> say, can someone give me tips on configuring xorg?  I've added some strings to the "Modes" lines, but it doesn't seem to have changed anything.  How do I do it properly?
[04:36] <E0x> ``endy i want stay with the gnome tool , like automount my ipod , icons in the desktop , but i dont want stay with the gnome stuff , like they window manager and panels
[04:36] <E0x> ``endy i want use a another wm
[04:36] <tiglionabbit> E0x: kubuntu-desktop has the same features
[04:37] <E0x> tiglionabbit i dont want kde stuff :D
[04:37] <E0x> i prefer gtk
[04:37] <``endy> E0x, you could just run the gnome daemons and nautilus from another desktop, for example xfce like someone suggested
[04:37] <E0x> hmm
[04:37] <E0x> ok
[04:37] <``endy> i used to use nautilus in fluxbox
[04:37] <moot> tiglionabbit, use the desktop guide provided by gentoo.org
[04:37] <chol> E0x, there is a preference somewhere regarding wm
[04:38] <stazz> E0x: you can always run nautilus on top of fluxbox/fvwm for example
[04:38] <stazz> E0x: but nautilus will most likely override the flux/fvwm menus
[04:38] <stazz> E0x: the sanes option is to give up nautilus completely, in favor of .. idesk/rox, and use it as the mere filemanager. you *can* use HAL (automount-thing) with other wm's very easily
[04:38] <E0x> but i dont only want nautilus , i want the cool gnome-volumen-manager ( when i connect my ipod or other remove unit , a icon appert in the desktop )
[04:39] <stazz> E0x: just start the volume manager.
[04:39] <stazz> obvious, isn't it?-)
[04:39] <cody> I need help with my network? i want to had a shortcut to a folder deep inside my network on a XP home networked PC *(please use my name cody when answering)*
[04:40] <johan_> i stil havent got my radeon set properly this thing is hard to setup
[04:40] <johan_> anyone with good advice
[04:40] <E0x> stazz sorry genius , but i dont how gnome stuff work and i dont know what i need and what not
[04:40] <goo> johan_: thanks for telling us.
[04:40] <goo> ah
[04:40] <stazz> E0x: you're not making any sense
[04:40] <cody> Hey Johan
[04:40] <johan_> hey
[04:40] <E0x> nevermind
[04:40] <cody> goto this channel for good help in ATI
[04:41] <cody> #ATI
[04:41] <Chetic> How can I freakin' use TTS in GNU/Linux?
[04:41] <moot> cody, mount the samba share to a dir and then create a shortcut on the desktop
[04:42] <yaaar_work> Chetic: what's TTS?
[04:42] <Rulli> halooo
[04:43] <eyequeue> trouble ticket system?
[04:43] <``endy> table tennis server, lol :P
[04:43] <``endy> nah its text to speech yeah?
[04:43] <kruseborn> i got ".INBOX/.imap.index: Permission denied" with postfix? can anyone help me
[04:44] <Rulli> may i join up?
[04:44] <eyequeue> sudo apt-get install request-tracker3.2
[04:44] <eyequeue> or egroupware-tts - eGroupWare trouble ticket system application
[04:44] <tiglionabbit> moot: that guide isn't very detailed.  I have customized my xorg.conf file already to add support for my tablet screen, and don't want to regenerate it
[04:45] <chol> kruseborn, check file permissions and then check if it's an ubuntu specific error
[04:45] <Azmarael> Guh
[04:45] <Azmarael> That was messed.
[04:45] <kruseborn> chol, i have change mod to 777
[04:45] <chol> kruseborn, thats so wrong..
[04:45] <goldfish> lol
[04:45] <Azmarael> I managed to save a file from Ubuntu so I can access it from doze, but the formatting, oh DEAR GOD the formatting!
[04:45] <eyequeue> or phpgroupware-tts - phpGroupWare tts module
[04:45] <kruseborn> :)
[04:46] <Chetic> yaaar_work, Text-To-Speech
[04:46] <kruseborn> what mod should i change to
[04:46] <goldfish> Azmarael: what kind of file
[04:46] <Chetic> How can I use Text-To-Speech in GNU/Linux?!
[04:46] <Azmarael> Just a text file
[04:46] <Azmarael> goldfish...
[04:46] <goldfish> kk
[04:46] <gjorans_> hey. I cant get ubuntu installation go past "configuring apt" - Setting up primary installation repository. Tried with and without network. Tried to redownload the iso, the computer have internetconnection. what can solve this?
[04:46] <mjr> Chetic, install festival and go from there
[04:46] <gjorans_> it is ubuntu 5.04
[04:47] <mjr> I think the gnome accessibility things can use festival for speech rendering too
[04:47] <gjorans_> on x86
[04:47] <Chetic> mjr, festival is for like.. coders and people with 500 years to waste
[04:47] <chol> kruseborn, i don't know.. sorry to say but perhaps #postfix could help you better since this channel i believe aims to be about ubuntu
[04:47] <kruseborn> k i try that
[04:47] <eyequeue> Chetic:  apt-cache search text-to-speech
[04:48] <gjorans_> I have checked that the computer gets ip etc.
[04:48] <mjr> Chetic, ok then
[04:48] <gjorans_> any other tip on what I can do?
[04:48] <justin> gjorans_: look at the other consoles
[04:49] <gjorans_> justin, yes. thats where I checked that the computer got ip.
[04:49] <gjorans_> it stops after generating locales.
[04:49] <gjorans_> Generation complete. and then it stopes
[04:49] <justin> gjorans_: use the console with the shell and run ps to see what it is doing
[04:49] <gjorans_> no errormsg or anything.
[04:50] <gjorans_> could it be apt-setup?
[04:50] <orgie> Hi
[04:50] <gjorans_> it is a lot of prosesses
[04:51] <orgie> I've a Problem, could anybody help me?
[04:51] <gjorans_> justin, apt-cdrom is allso running
[04:51] <antiPosix> could or can?  somebody or anybody?
[04:51] <srockett> you're in the right place orgie :)
[04:51] <orgie> I want to mount my Camera
[04:51] <justin> gjorans_: you can always try killing it, or just try conrol-c on the main console
[04:52] <orgie> and now there are no /dev/sda1 2 3 etc
[04:52] <gjorans_> it doesnt do anything when I do ctrl-c
[04:52] <gjorans_> but I will try to kill it
[04:52] <antiPosix> orgie: is it USB?  try mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera(if you've created a camera mountpoint)
[04:52] <orgie> usb yes
[04:52] <srockett> you'll probably need a -t vfat on the end of that
[04:52] <orgie> I said: there is no /devsda1
[04:52] <antiPosix> orgie: lsmod and see is sg is in the list
[04:53] <gjorans_> it say no such prosess even though ps shows them when I try to kill the PID.
[04:53] <antiPosix> orgie: and maybe scsi-mod or something along those lines.  if not try modprobe sg
[04:53] <orgie> the problem ist: there is no entry in /dev "sda1 sda2 sda3 etc
[04:53] <kleydson> could someone help-me? i'd like to manage the ubuntu principal menu, in the gnome, but it don't works good
[04:53] <srockett> i've had that before when trying to mount a flash drive
[04:53] <srockett> there is no sda
[04:53] <antiPosix> orgie: are you thinking its a devfs problem?  I dont know about ubuntu's use of devfs(or if it even uses it)
[04:53] <srockett> if it wasnt for the automount i'd be baffled
[04:54] <orgie> antiPosix, sg is not in the lis
[04:54] <orgie> list
[04:54] <antiPosix> orgie: type modprobe sg
[04:54] <gjorans_> justin, sorry. it errored when I killed them and could try it manualy and then go on :) thanx. that bought me out of the loop
[04:54] <antiPosix> orgie: and maybe modprobe scsi_mod
[04:54] <orgie> I'done modprobe sg
[04:55] <antiPosix> do you have a /dev/sda1
[04:55] <orgie> scsi_mod not found
[04:56] <orgie> NO THERE IS NO /DEV/SDA1
[04:56] <antiPosix> orgie: do you have a usb_uhci in the list?  It may be in the kernel(I dont know ubuntu's distro very well)
[04:56] <antiPosix> orgie: no need for caps man.  I was hoping loading the scsi module sg would create sd entries
[04:57] <orgie> oh yes, sorry
[04:57] <justin> antiPosix: it is called sg and not sd for a reason, sg has nothing to do with disks
[04:57] <antiPosix> justin: just trying to help.   I dont claim to be all knowing
[04:57] <antiPosix> I recall sg had to be loaded before I could get my olyumpus camera to work
[04:57] <Azmarael> Anyone able/willing to teach a complete nub how to get an adsl or dialup modem working under Ubuntu?
[04:58] <jetscreamer> man pppoeconf
[04:58] <jetscreamer> and pppconf
[04:58] <Azmarael> Ahuh. And I do what with them?
[04:58] <shop> what u talking bout ? confused
[04:58] <antiPosix> justin: from SCSI subsystem docs: "All types of SCSI devices are accessible via the sg driver."
[04:58] <orgie> what can I do now?
[04:59] <justin> antiPosix: notice how it says "accessible", that does not mean you can actually do anything useful with it
[04:59] <antiPosix> ask someone knowledgable about what ubuntu uses for devfs.
[04:59] <justin> there is a separate module with scsi disks for a reason... and there is also a hotplug program too
[04:59] <shop> y u ignoring me
[04:59] <antiPosix> justin: but its still a required module for the scsi subsystem
[04:59] <kleydson> the command "appilcation:///" don't run in the "nautilus", how can i edit the menus? someone knows?
[04:59] <housetier> Azmarael "man pppoeconf" will tell you some stuff about the program pppoeconf; usually you then run the program to get your things done. in the case of pppoeconf this is also true, it will ask a few questions so you should have your "online info" at hands
[05:00] <justin> antiPosix: no, it's not
[05:00] <antiPosix> orgie: modprobe sd_mod and scsi_mod
[05:00] <Azmarael> housetier: what if I have no drivers (and cannot find any) for the modems?
[05:00] <antiPosix> orgie: and disregard justin and I's dispute
[05:01] <housetier> Azmarael then you will have to tell us so, preferrably with an error message
[05:01] <orgie> antiPosix: I#ve done, but nothing has changed
[05:01] <housetier> Azmarael also information (brand etc) about the modems (plural?) might be of interest
[05:01] <Azmarael> housetier: Where could I find the error message? In network devices, eth0 (NIC) is fine and dandy, but PPP0 isnt. It wont be detected.
[05:01] <shop> stuff u
[05:02] <antiPosix> orgie: do you have a command(script) available to you called MAKEDEV
[05:02] <Azmarael> housetier: adsl modem is a globespan virata, or dlink, ALH181. Dialup is a Swann Netspeed
[05:02] <Azmarael> Sorry, swann speed demon
[05:02] <orgie> antiposix: don't know
[05:02] <bart_> hi
[05:03] <Azmarael> housetier: I have an "lspci -v" if it helps...
[05:03] <justin> antiPosix: MAKEDEV is not going to help either
[05:03] <orgie> sorry, butI must go now, was not time enough, I know, thank you antiPosix, i'll be here later
[05:03] <housetier> Azmarael what program do you run, and what is its error message?
[05:03] <orgie> ciao
[05:04] <Azmarael> I havent tried running anything as yet. Are you saying if I just boot up Ubuntu, and type "pppoeconf" in the terminal, it will configure the modem?
[05:04] <tiglionabbit> okay, it is entirely too easy to accidentally hit alt-F4 on a laptop keyboard while using irssi
[05:04] <antiPosix> justin: if you know the answer to his question, why not tell him.
[05:05] <toran> :O
[05:05] <toran> wikipedia's down
[05:05] <justin> antiPosix: which question? I just saw you telling him incorrect things that won't help with anything
[05:05] <antiPosix> he wants to mount a USB device(typically on my system it is /dev/sda1(the first available SCSI disk)
[05:06] <antiPosix> but he lacks any entries in his /dev for sd
[05:06] <housetier> Azmarael pppoeconf should ask you a bunch of questions (username password), it will also attempt to detect which nic the modem is connected to, then it will set up the ppp device. I believe this is all explained in the man page
[05:06] <scorpix> when will the next ubuntu colony will release?
[05:06] <justin> which usb device?
[05:06] <justin> is it a usb device that is supposed to show up as a disk? helps to know..
[05:06] <housetier> Azmarael furthermore I believe there is a wiki page explaining this :)
[05:06] <Azmarael> Ah i apologise for not explaining this earlier housetier... Its an internal adsl modem
[05:07] <Azmarael> Sorry housetier, but like I said, Im a complete nub to linux. First install ever right here.
[05:07] <antiPosix> justin: a camera with flash memory.  he is gone so it is pointless to continue to discuss it
[05:08] <housetier> Azmarael well as I have no experience with internal dsl modems its up to you to gather as much information as possible, there is the ubuntu wiki (searchable), the mailing list (searchable?), and most likely a forum as well. and there is IRC :) maybe someone else can help you
[05:08] <tiglionabbit> W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:08] <antiPosix> justin: I just assumed /dev/MAKEDEV -v sda1 would give him the entry needed(a link to the major and minor node numbers)
[05:08] <Azmarael> Thanks for the starter at least housetier.
[05:09] <tiglionabbit> Anyone know why it's not authenticating packages?
[05:09] <antiPosix> justin: or maybe a mknod command to make the instance
[05:09] <justin> antiPosix: nope, if he is using udev which he probably is, he is missing the device node because the device itself doesn't exist.  making the device node won't help
[05:09] <rayen> hi i am currently compiling my kernel (make menuconfig), I noticed that the 'help' feature sometimes says: Prompt: ...... support, does this mean that my PC is able to work with this feature /OR does this mean that my kernel is currently running this feature ?
[05:10] <justin> /dev/sda being missing is not the problem, it is the symptom of another problem
[05:10] <housetier> Azmarael I hope you get it sorted :)
[05:10] <chol> rayen, it probably means that the kernel developers hasn't written any help yet
[05:10] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  try rerunning sudo apt-get update
[05:10] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: I have
[05:11] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  try another mirror short-term?  no other ideas
[05:11] <Azmarael> housetier: You and me both. If I can get online using Ubuntu, Windows goes even further out the window
[05:11] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: that is the main mirror.  Any package I select seems to be from it
[05:11] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  drop the us. part perhaps?
[05:11] <Chetic> How do I link /dev/dsp1 to /dev/dsp so all the audio applications will shut the hell up?
[05:12] <SeamusLP> chetic: ln -s /dev/dsp /dev/dsp1 I think
[05:12] <SeamusLP> as root (sudo)
[05:13] <chol> the other way around though
[05:13] <Chetic> file exists
[05:13] <chol> what you have to what you want
[05:13] <SeamusLP> yeah other way around
[05:13] <Chetic> chol, "what you have to what you want" please translate :p
[05:14] <SeamusLP> chetic:  try sudo ln -s /dev/dsp1 /dev/dsp
[05:14] <chol> Chetic, yeah, you have dsp1 and want dsp, it was clear wasn't it :)
[05:14] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: same problem
[05:14] <Chetic> I did SeamusLP but it says "File exists"
[05:14] <Chetic> I want programs that look at /dev/dsp to look at /dev/dsp1 instead
[05:14] <tiglionabbit> these are the repositories that hoary has by default.  Shouldn't everyone be having this problem?
[05:14] <chol> Chetic, you typed the command twice but with the device files in different order?
[05:15] <Chetic> chol, I only did it one way, the way you said
[05:15] <SeamusLP> chetic:  You already have a /dev/dsp1
[05:15] <chol> Chetic, then both devices exist and the problem is no more?
[05:15] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  perhaps it's your key?
[05:15] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: what does that mean?
[05:15] <Chetic> chol, there has always been a /dev/dsp
[05:15] <fkz> hellas all
[05:15] <caonex> what is the command to modify printers from command line?
[05:16] <Chetic> SeamusLP, I want apps that look at /dev/dsp to be redirected to /dev/dsp1
[05:16] <chol> Chetic, then i misunderstood your q
[05:16] <caonex> i mean to run it in the terminal to get it in X
[05:16] <antiPosix> caonex: vi /etc/printcap?
[05:16] <chol> Chetic, then its the other way around again, but still what you have to what you want :)
[05:16] <caonex> antiPosix, nope, the program that gnome uses to edit printers, what is it?
[05:16] <Chetic> chol, all you're doing is confusing me! :(
[05:16] <chol> Chetic, hehe
[05:17] <fkz> i have one question. i cant use apt-get or the synaptic gui. i know that normaly this is because i cant use 2 programms with apt-get. but are other closed. also ps aux shows me all apt programms are closed. is there a file wich indicates that another programm is using apt
[05:17] <chol> Chetic, ln -s /dev/theonethatexists /dev/theoneyouwant
[05:17] <Chetic> they both exist!!
[05:17] <osiris_> Hi im using ubuntuguide.org with the repositries that they say you should have but still i cant install the software they show you how to install some of the software im trying to install are , w32codecs and flashplayer-mozilla . which cant be found in the source list
[05:17] <zAo^> can someone help met with win4lin? When the Windows-cd is ripped, I get an loadcd-error. Thanks
[05:17] <caonex> antiPosix, i just want to run it as a different user, root, instead of using sudo
[05:17] <chol> Chetic, but then you don't have the problem you described
[05:17] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[05:17] <chol> Chetic, config your applications to use the correct device
[05:17] <caonex> antiPosix, and i need to know the name of the program for me to execute it.
[05:18] <Chetic> chol, I DO NOT want to do that with EVERY single application. It is EXTREMLY frustrating.
[05:18] <chol> Chetic, and so is life..
[05:18] <fan_gnr> is there anything called registry in linux like windows does?
[05:18] <antiPosix> caonex: gnome-control-center?
[05:18] <Chetic> Would people here stop using that? It's just an excuse for not knowing the answer
[05:18] <chol> Chetic, change the app to use the correct device, one time, and the annoying message is no more
[05:18] <antiPosix> I dont now much about gnome, sorry
[05:18] <Chetic> chol, some applications won't even let you do that
[05:19] <fan_gnr> if i install firefox in /usr/local/firefox, manually , symlink to /usr/bin etc. and then if i delete the folder named firefox, will it damage the installation?
[05:19] <caonex> antiPosix, gnome-cups-manager, thanks
[05:19] <chol> Chetic, remove the one you don't want and link the other one in place?
[05:19] <fan_gnr> is there anything called regisry in linux?
[05:19] <antiPosix> gnome-cups-manager sounds logical.  I basically typed gnome-TAB-TAB and read through the list
[05:19] <fan_gnr> registry
[05:20] <caonex> antiPosix, it is ok, you trying to help is what counts ;)
[05:20] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 437D05B5 && gpg --armor --export 437D0535 | sudo apt-key add -
[05:20] <tiglionabbit> but...
[05:20] <tiglionabbit> this is the main repository
[05:20] <fan_gnr> chol: was that for me?
[05:20] <tiglionabbit> is anyone else having this problem?
[05:20] <fan_gnr> chol: if i remove it and point to another, that's it???
[05:20] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  that should refresh the key, in case there was corruption on your hard drive
[05:20] <tiglionabbit> and what would have changed to make it do this?
[05:20] <tiglionabbit> oh
[05:21] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  i'm not, nor have i heard of it from others here
[05:21] <raptoid> 5.1 sound system woofer not sound for ubuntu ?
[05:21] <raptoid> whats problem ?
[05:21] <raptoid> woofer not sound..
[05:21] <chol> fan_gnr, dunno.. i was speaking to Chetic about dps and dsp1
[05:21] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  you'll note i used the example from the url i pasted you, but changed the keyid
[05:21] <fan_gnr> k
[05:21] <osiris_> Hi im using ubuntuguide.org with the repositries that they say you should have but still i cant install the software they show you how to install some of the software im trying to install are , w32codecs and flashplayer-mozilla . which cant be found in the source list
[05:21] <fan_gnr> anybody here........
[05:21] <chol> fan_gnr, but gnome has a sort-of registry
[05:21] <fan_gnr> k
[05:21] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  really, i'm at a loss as to why you're getting this, other than slome transient data corruption possibility
[05:22] <chol> fan_gnr, gconftool-2 -R / to dump it
[05:22] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: that doesn't appear to have worked.  gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
[05:23] <fan_gnr> chol:if i delete the symlink i create to point it and then simply delete the symlink and create a new one, what will be the outcome?
[05:23] <we2by> is there a backtool that backup the whole system?
[05:23] <caonex> i am trying to configure my cups server to be used remotely; however, after listenning on the internet, it does not let me use the printer and i read that it is configured to make them available to everyone, is this true?
[05:23] <chol> fan_gnr, not sure if i understood that..
[05:23] <fan_gnr> chol:moreover, if i delete the firefox folder from /usr/local, and place an upgrade in place, will that matter
[05:23] <tiglionabbit> =[
[05:23] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  that implies the key wasn't found, hang a sec while i check here
[05:24] <chol> fan_gnr, your plugins and such will be lost
[05:24] <chol> fan_gnr, but perhaps they all are in your .firefox or smth like that
[05:24] <fan_gnr> chol"yeah, no prob, i wil redownload them, i will export the bookmarks
[05:24] <gjorans_> what is nice to have in sources.list? I dont find sawfish in the one I have now
[05:25] <osiris_> Hi im using ubuntuguide.org with the repositries that they say you should have but still i cant install the software they show you how to install some of the software im trying to install are , w32codecs and flashplayer-mozilla . which cant be found in the source list
[05:25] <fan_gnr> chol: i was talkin about the symlink that create for /usr/local/firefox to /usr/bin
[05:25] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  $  gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 437D05B5
[05:25] <eyequeue> gpg: requesting key 437D05B5 from hkp server wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net
[05:25] <eyequeue> gpg: key 437D05B5: "Ubuntu Archi .......
[05:25] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  try running just that part, separately
[05:25] <tiglionabbit> osiris: try just uncommenting the other entries hoary has in your list
[05:25] <chol> fan_gnr, it will still work even if you replace the whole firefox subdir as long as the new binary is in the same place as the previous one
[05:26] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: okay
[05:26] <tiglionabbit> now what?
[05:26] <fan_gnr> chol:new binary?
[05:26] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  if it responds with a sucess-ish message, we can proceed
[05:26] <tiglionabbit> it said it imported it the very first time I did it, with the piped thing.  Successive attempts are just saying 'unchanged'
[05:27] <fan_gnr> chol:moreover, can't i install thunderbird? it works with the thunderbird file directly.
[05:27] <chol> fan_gnr, sure
[05:27] <srockett> heh I like that "success-ish" message
[05:27] <tiglionabbit> it was the second part of the message that had a warning
[05:27] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  gpg --armor --export 437D05B5 | sudo apt-key add -
[05:27] <tiglionabbit> hey, it said OK
[05:28] <osiris_> tiglionabbit, there  all uncommented
[05:28] <fan_gnr> chol:how can i "install" thunderbird man?
[05:28] <tiglionabbit> I still get the warning though
[05:28] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit: i note that earlier i said ...0535 rather than ...05B5, sorry
[05:28] <fan_gnr> chol:where can i get firefox.deb? to upgrade with the debian package? i use warty
[05:28] <chol> fan_gnr, isn't it like firefox, just untarr into some place and run it from there
[05:29] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  okay, well, we now know your key is not corrupted on your end, that's all we accomplished there
[05:29] <chol> fan_gnr, firefox is apt-get:able
[05:29] <chol> fan_gnr, dunno if they have one on their site though
[05:29] <fan_gnr> chol: what is that able
[05:29] <osiris_> chol, yes firefox is apt-get able but not to the latest one. i dont think its been added yet
[05:29] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  try another sudo apt-get update, after the apt-key of course
[05:29] <tiglionabbit> osiris: now, if you're using synaptic, just tell it to refresh, and search again
[05:30] <chol> fan_gnr, apt-get:able, able to install through apt-get
[05:30] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: I did, and it hasn't changed anything
[05:30] <osiris_> tiglionabbit, done that
[05:30] <chol> osiris_, if it's not in the sources it's not in the scope of this channel (:
[05:30] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  are you getting <IP_ADDRESS> for 'host us.archive.ubuntu.com' ?
[05:30] <spanglesontoast> what's port 113?
[05:30] <tiglionabbit> fan_gnr: chol is being weird.  Just run synaptic and search for it
[05:31] <osiris_> tiglionabbit, i dont use synaptic, i just did apt-get update also i have apt-cache search flashplayer, and still nothing
[05:31] <chol> tiglionabbit, he wanted e newer version
[05:31] <eyequeue> spanglesontoast:  identd, grep 113 /etc/services
[05:31] <fan_gnr> tiglionabbit: i will try that
[05:31] <spanglesontoast> ah ok
[05:31] <tiglionabbit> chol: it is the newest version
[05:31] <tiglionabbit> just mislabeled
[05:31] <eyequeue> spanglesontoast:  odds are you tried to connect to an irc server, heh
[05:32] <whitetiger> hi at all
[05:32] <chol> tiglionabbit, okey, i see.. then the "it's apt-get:able" wasn't all that wrong ei :)
[05:32] <fan_gnr> tiglionabbit, Chol, i have heard about the controversy about how ubuntu upgrades packages
[05:32] <whitetiger> who can help me with webserver apache?
[05:32] <spanglesontoast> just making sure it's mean't to be there
[05:32] <fan_gnr> tiglionabbit, chol, at least firefox
[05:32] <whitetiger> no one can help me?
[05:32] <whitetiger> =(
[05:33] <fan_gnr> tiglionabbit, Chol, it doesn't upgrade the version no. but the security fixes are installed. That's what i read somewhere
[05:33] <chol> fan_gnr, there is some issues as to how stable the packages in ubuntu is and how security patches are released but i don't know that much about it
[05:33] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  if you get a different ip address, you would seem to be subject to a man-in-the-middle attack, and i'd worry about what nasty entity is trying to get you to install trojanned software, but i think that's highly unlikely
[05:33] <osiris_> chol, thats right http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/upgrade/?application=%257bec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384%257d
[05:33] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: how do I check that?
[05:33] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  run 'host us.archive.ubuntu.com'
[05:34] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  are you getting <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[05:34] <fan_gnr> thanks guys
[05:34] <tiglionabbit> yes
[05:34] <fan_gnr> i gotta leave
[05:34] <fan_gnr> bye
[05:34] <tiglionabbit> that's the IP I get, eyequeue
[05:34] <osiris_> i really dont understand this repos thing i have all the ones that ubuntu guide tells me to have , but still i cant find the packages
[05:34] <chol> osiris_, ah, thats a good link, thanks
[05:34] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  okay, that's not the problem (which would really be a nasty attack, and i don't think the causual attacker would do it)
[05:34] <osiris_> chol, No Probs :-)
[05:35] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  well, here's the three points of failure i can think of
[05:35] <tiglionabbit> chol: do you get any odd messages other than "Hit" when you update?
[05:35] <tiglionabbit> oops, I mean osiris
[05:35] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  one, the key at your end is corrupted, and we've already checked that
[05:35] <slask3n> how do i print all users on a system in console? and how do i delete a user?
[05:36] <tiglionabbit> slask3n: deluser or userdel
[05:36] <osiris_> chol, can you help me try and sort this problem out?
[05:36] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  two, the signature on the mirror got corruped in transit, and the fact that no one else is reporting problems seems to contradict that (it does happen btw, but is rather rare, and is usually resolved at the next update a day later)
[05:37] <slask3n> tiglionabbit: thanks :) you know how to print all users also? :P
[05:37] <chol> osiris_, the one with firefox versions?
[05:37] <tiglionabbit> slask3n: you should see entries for all of them in /etc/passwd
[05:37] <slask3n> k
[05:37] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  three, the key on the signing end is corrupted, or the new guy that is signing things is quilty of "operator error" :)  it's a script undoubtably, but if it were somehow hosed, ALL the people in here would be complaining of this, so i don't think it's the case
[05:38] <slask3n> thanks tiglionabbit :)
[05:38] <osiris_> chol, No what it is, im using ubuntuguide to install software that it shows how to install , but when i apt-get the software it cant be found even though i have all the repos that they say you should have.
[05:38] <chol> osiris_, even with multiverse added?
[05:38] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  other than that, i can't think of any other innocuous reasons for the error message
[05:38] <osiris_> chol, yes
[05:39] <tiglionabbit> =[  what can I do?  I can't use the upgrade features anymore
[05:39] <tiglionabbit> because all of my packages are not validated
[05:39] <osiris_> chol, heres the sources list i have http://ubuntuguide.org/sample/sources.list_extrarepositories
[05:40] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  just to be sure your key is the real one, i suppose i should give you my copy of the fingerprint: 6302 39CC 130E 1A7F D81A  27B1 4097 6EAF 437D 05B5
[05:40] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  gpg --fingerprint 437D05B5
[05:40] <lpb-Anonymous> t.org
[05:40] <chol> osiris_, i've run into that regarding some specific software aswell.. can't tell why though
[05:41] <tiglionabbit> BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5
[05:41] <chol> osiris_, what package are you missing? I was able to get mplayer and such thruogh multiverse
[05:41] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: where do I check it?
[05:41] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  gpg --fingerprint 437D05B5, from your user account, should cover it
[05:41] <osiris_> Its weird anything i want to install i cant, lol for example: flashplayer-mozilla w32codecs ,sun-j2re1.5
[05:41] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  since that's the key you just piped into apt-key
[05:42] <tiglionabbit> 6302 39CC 130E 1A7F D81A  27B1 4097 6EAF 437D 05B5
[05:42] <osiris_> chol, ive apt-cache searched them too. wont find anything.
[05:42] <chol> osiris_, oh yeah.. all non-free packages
[05:42] <osiris_> chol, yah
[05:42] <chol> osiris_, the new sun java is only availible on their web site
[05:42] <chol> osiris_, flashplayer i believe that firefox can download automagically
[05:43] <tiglionabbit> chol: I was able to get it using a method described in the page linked to by restrictedformats faq
[05:43] <chol> osiris_, and w32codecs is better to get the new ones directly from mplayerhq.hu
[05:43] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  yeah, i was 99% sure that would be fine, but figured it's part of the checking mechanism available to us (of course, you have to trust that i'm not some evil attacker myself, heh, but others here could catch my lying about the signature, if so)
[05:43] <osiris_> chol,  i know i could do all tht but i just thought it was weird how the guide was showing you how to do it when you cant,
[05:44] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: actually, it appears us.archive.ubuntu.com works now.  But http://archive.ubuntu.com is still giving me a key error
[05:44] <debugger> in ubuntu we manage the packages using apt, or is there anything fancier?
[05:44] <tiglionabbit> debugger: use synaptic
[05:44] <tiglionabbit> or aptitude, or whatever
[05:44] <osiris_> debugger, synaptic
[05:44] <chol> osiris_, i haven't read the guide at all.. i installed ubuntu to have a fairly complete base install done fast but then i have done everything else the old debian way :)
[05:44] <debugger> tiglionabbit, does it work on server?  mean, does it have a conse app?
[05:44] <Gh0sty> anyone here running ubuntu dualscreen with twinview from nvidia? not xinerama?
[05:45] <osiris_> chol, ok, cool
[05:45] <tiglionabbit> debugger: aptitude works on console
[05:45] <nosilver4u> Gh0sty: I had it running
[05:45] <Gh0sty> nosilver4u: had?
[05:45] <nosilver4u> cept now it wont
[05:45] <nosilver4u> yeah, i was having weird agp stuff, so i started over
[05:45] <Gh0sty> well, i just installed ubuntu on my pc (had hdd crash and decided to drop sid for ubunutu)
[05:45] <nosilver4u> and now i can't get the second display to come up
[05:46] <Gh0sty> but i can't get it to work
[05:46] <Gh0sty> i accidently started x as root last day
[05:46] <debugger> thx tiglionabbit and osiris_
[05:46] <osiris_> debugger, NP
[05:46] <Gh0sty> and suddenly i saw it worked! :s
[05:46] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: I'm not completely clear on what we're doing, but it appears to have removed one of the problems (the error I get is much smaller now).  Can you give me a next step?
[05:46] <caonex> i configured cups to access it remotely but when i do it from my remote linux, it does not show the printers, why?
[05:46] <Gh0sty> so it runs as root it seems but not as normal user
[05:46] <osiris_> nick_osiris_
[05:46] <Gh0sty> nosilver4u: seems its the same over here :(
[05:46] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  revert to us.archive.ubuntu.com in sources.list
[05:47] <nosilver4u> yeah, i'm pretty sure you can't run X as a normal user, ever
[05:47] <Gh0sty> hm?
[05:47] <Gh0sty> i'm thinking of a permission problem
[05:47] <nosilver4u> at least if you're using gdm
[05:47] <Gh0sty> anyone know where you can find the driver files from nvidia?
[05:47] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  did you get a chance to read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary yet?
[05:47] <Gh0sty> or the specific stuff for twinview?
[05:47] <tiglionabbit> yes, but I didn't really understand it
[05:48] <osiris1> Gh0sty, apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:48] <tiglionabbit> I don't know where I would be getting these key numbers
[05:48] <Gh0sty> yes, but it won't run twinview except for root user??? :s
[05:48] <osiris1> Gh0sty, apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-settingds
[05:48] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  the second paragraph there is the rationale
[05:49] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  basically we are checking that no one is trying to trick you into installing evilly-modified packages
[05:49] <tiglionabbit> well yay, it appears to work now
[05:49] <allergique> by ubuntu have handicaps: firefox doesn't load a lot of page or need 1h to load a page!
[05:50] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  well good, though i'm certainly curious what was broken
[05:50] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: I had both us. and without us. repositories in the list, and both were giving me errors (in fact, those were my only repositories, so ALL of my packages were not authenticated).  I changed the remaining ones to us. and I no longer get errors
[05:50] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  one little side note, if ever you use "backports" the signatures there *are* known to not be working (but that wasn't the situation in your case)
[05:50] <tiglionabbit> so when you had me get that new key, that must have fixed it
[05:51] <tiglionabbit> yes, I found backports was rejecting connections recently and had to remove it
[05:51] <Gh0sty> osiris1: i got all those packages, i know how to set it up, i know how ubuntu (well rather debian) works, i just don't get why dualscreen doesn't work where it did on my debian install
[05:52] <tiglionabbit> anyway, it was likely caused by me running out of batteries a while ago, which caused it to suddenly turn off without a chance to shut down normally
[05:52] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  read at http://backports.ubuntu.forums.org/ and you'll see the message, you have to pick a mirror
[05:52] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: I have, yes
[05:52] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  yeah, that's a common reason for data corruption
[05:52] <osiris1> Gh0sty, sorry dude cant help you there then, never done dual screen
[05:53] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  glad the mystery is solved, rather than being something nefarious, heh
[05:53] <tiglionabbit> thank you so much for helping me out with that.  Where did you get the numbers to feed to gpg though?
[05:54] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  the keyid?  i did this, on my end ... apt-key list
[05:54] <tiglionabbit> ah, thanks
[05:55] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  i'm rather versed in gpg, so to me that was enough, but if you're not, it may take some staring at it
[05:55] <eyequeue> gpg manages to confuse many, for some reason
[05:55] <|Ivanch0|> enas a tod@s
[05:56] <tiglionabbit> what does the part before the / mean?
[05:56] <iceman> Anyone know any other distros based on slackware
[05:57] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  keysize in bits, and keytype
[05:57] <tiglionabbit> ah
[05:57] <justin> iceman: people in #slackware?
[05:57] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  1024D == dsa
[05:57] <debugger> i've run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade;  it downoloaded serveral stuff, among then, a kernel update. my question is, do we need to do anything more to upgrade the kernel, beside rebooting?   it seems the old kernel was wipped out, what happens if the newone fails to boot?
[05:57] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  2048g == elGamal
[05:57] <tiglionabbit> debugger: it will automatically add extra entries to GRUB for booting either kernel
[05:58] <debugger> tiglionabbit, oddly, there are no new entries :|
[05:58] <tiglionabbit> really?  uh..
[05:58] <tiglionabbit> when I apt-got the i686 kernel it added some
[05:58] <debugger> tiglionabbit, I was expecting to see a vmlinuz.old or something like that.
[05:58] <tiglionabbit> I didn't know upgrade was able to do that
[05:59] <debugger> odd then :|
[06:00] <debugger> ok, I also noticed it was i386 and not something more apropriate for my amdxp thing, so this lends another question :)   how can I tell apt to install amdxp binaries? :)
[06:01] <Kyynara> hmm... could someoen say some important sound libs...
[06:01] <eyequeue> debugger:  apt-cache search linux-image
[06:01] <|Ivanch0|> hi to all i have made this question some times whiout any answer...my ubuntu dont mount my pen drive automaticaly any idea?
[06:02] <Kyynara> as I'm missing a sound lib, but I don't know which one.. :)
[06:02] <debugger> eyequeue, huh! no amds??
[06:02] <debugger> ok, it has k7... hehe
[06:02] <eyequeue> debugger:  really? linux-image-2.6.10-5-k7-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.10 on AMD K7 SMP.
[06:02] <tiglionabbit> kyynara: um..  that's not very descriptive.  What's the problem?
[06:03] <tiglionabbit> linux-image?  What are those?
[06:03] <debugger> eyequeue, humm, but k7 is not amdxp, or is it? :|
[06:03] <eyequeue> debugger:  anyway, pick the one that best fits your situation, then sudo apt-get install foo
[06:04] <eyequeue> debugger: i don't know what the xp part means
[06:04] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  packages of the kernel
[06:04] <debugger> eyequeue, amd xp, its the chip name.
[06:04] <eyequeue> debugger:  personally, i'd try the k7, non-smp
[06:05] <eyequeue> debugger:  if it won't boot, use the grub menu to boot into the 386 version
[06:05] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: oh, I just realized that's what I'd installed, heh
[06:06] <Kyynara> tiglionabbit: I'm trying to build action quake 2 from source, but it gives me errors on some sound files :)
[06:06] <Kyynara> http://pastebin.com/296449
[06:07] <debugger> eyequeue, oh, K7 is really what I want.  :)
[06:07] <eyequeue> debugger:  thought it might be :)
[06:07] <eyequeue> debugger:  386 is the default because that will work for most, even if not optimized
[06:08] <debugger> eyequeue, its odd, but noone calls those chips k7 heheh
[06:08] <debugger> eyequeue, noone == gcc hehe
[06:08] <eyequeue> debugger:  i think the k6 was the p1-equiv, but i'm not definite
[06:09] <eyequeue> and after the p2 | k7, there were no drastic changes to the command set ?
[06:10] <debugger> humm, yeah, I think so.
[06:11] <debugger> k8 is amd64
[06:11] <tiglionabbit> kyynara: I'm not sure, but if I were you, I would get the package "libopenal-dev"
[06:11] <eyequeue> ah yeah, the 64 archs will of course end up changing much
[06:11] <eyequeue> and the smp too
[06:11] <eyequeue> i want a quad 64-bit :)
[06:12] <eyequeue> but i'm content with the lappie i have now
[06:13] <fvasquez> que onda
[06:13] <fvasquez> hay alguen por ahi
[06:14] <eyequeue> fvasquez:  #ubuntu-es
[06:14] <eyequeue> lo siento, pero no me requerdo mi espanol
[06:14] <debugger> humm... is there a ubuntu-pt? hehe
[06:14] <dydimustk> where is the linux source code directory in ubuntu?
[06:14] <fvasquez> hey
[06:14] <fvasquez> hay alguien po ahi
[06:14] <eyequeue> dydimustk:  /usr/src, after you sudo apt-get install linux-source-*
[06:15] <eyequeue> dydimustk:  if you mean the kernel
[06:15] <debugger> how to list a package contents?
[06:15] <debugger> and all installed packages? :)
[06:15] <eyequeue> debugger:  dpkg -L foo
[06:15] <debugger> ah dpkg :)
[06:15] <debugger> thx!
[06:15] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue, you're too fast!  *was about to say that
[06:15] <eyequeue> debugger:  dpkg -l | grep ^i
[06:15] <dydimustk> trying to install cisco VPN and it's asking "In order to build the VPN kernel module, you must have the
[06:15] <dydimustk> kernel headers for the version of the kernel you are running.
[06:15] <dydimustk> "
[06:15] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  heh
[06:16] <dydimustk> so just /usr/src ?
[06:16] <E0x> hello , when i login , and ubuntu splash appert i saw a background with a brown ubuntu default color , what i need mod for change the color of the background in that moment ?
[06:16] <eyequeue> dydimustk:  what is the output of uname -r ?
[06:16] <tiglionabbit> E0x: change the background color
[06:16] <IcemanV9> E0x: right-click (on ur desktop) > change desktop background
[06:17] <E0x> tiglionabbit i did it but dont change the background in the splash moment
[06:17] <fvasquez> need to download movies, where can I find em
[06:17] <dydimustk> eyequeue: 2.6.10-5-386
[06:17] <Kimppa> Hello. How do I create an ssh connection in terminal using some other port than 22?
[06:17] <Kimppa> the server is set to listen to another port, so that's not a problem
[06:17] <eyequeue> dydimustk:  you just need headers, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[06:17] <rafe> hey all, anyone have an easy method for downgrading from breezy back to hoary?
[06:17] <E0x> fvasquez this is a #ubuntu channel not warez channel
[06:17] <fvasquez> ssh IP
[06:17] <debugger> you guys think ubuntu gives a nice server envirnoment?
[06:17] <swoop> kimppa: ssh user@server:port
[06:18] <eyequeue> Kimppa:  ssh -p 2222 otherhost, or similar
[06:18] <rafe> Kimppa: it's ssh -p port user@server
[06:18] <tiglionabbit> debugger: well it's based on debian, which is a good server, but I've heard complaints about it.  Perhaps regular debian would be a better option.  Ubuntu is best as a graphical desktop OS
[06:18] <drunken> hi everyone....
[06:18] <featheredfrog> woot!
[06:18] <eyequeue> debugger:  if you enter "server" at the install cd prompt, yes :)
[06:19] <tiglionabbit> hehe, but I haven't run servers, so I wouldn't know
[06:19] <debugger> tiglionabbit, humm, debian is old :|
[06:19] <tiglionabbit> debugger: Sarge just got released!
[06:19] <debugger> eyequeue, yes, I did that hehe
[06:19] <featheredfrog> tiglionabbit:  but it's stil 2.4...
[06:19] <featheredfrog> :)
[06:19] <debugger> tiglionabbit, yeah, and now what?  another 2 years till its updated? *G*
[06:19] <tiglionabbit> =p
[06:19] <eyequeue> debugger:  debian just released sarge, so now could be a good time to try it :) (i personally think ubuntu's still a bit more current)
[06:19] <fvasquez> how I can install macromedia plugins
[06:19] <featheredfrog> plugins for what?
[06:20] <tiglionabbit> fvasquez: in firefox, go to a website with flash in it like newgrounds.com, and click on one of the puzzle piece icons that show up in their place
[06:20] <tiglionabbit> it should launch a wizard for installing flash player
[06:20] <featheredfrog> guess he figured out the ~application/plugin directory...
[06:20] <IcemanV9> E0x: never played with splash before, but i believe it is "sudo gdmsetup"
[06:21] <drunken> i've got a big problem with my isa 10 base t/2 ethernet card. during a hoary install this card was not recognised and i'm not able to modprobe the module "ne", even if this card is "fully ne2000" compatible. dmegs says, that "no NE*000 card found at i/o = 0xfoo" where foo are several i/o ports i tried... anyone who had the same problem once?
[06:21] <milky> i sucessfully mount two ntfs  partitions, but can only access them as a root. when i try chmod a+r --- it says that mounted drive is read only
[06:21] <E0x> IcemanV9 hmm i see in preferents->login screen , is not the same of gdmsetup ?
[06:21] <mz2> huh? both openoffice 1.x and 1.9 segfault
[06:21] <mz2> all of the apps in both of those
[06:21] <mz2> used to work fine
[06:22] <swoop> isnt there a gui possible for setting up ftp servers ?
[06:22] <tiglionabbit> milky: well it is read only, can't write to ntfs.  Um, NTFS behaves like that for me too, don't know what you can do to change it
[06:22] <swoop> i just cant get the hang around using config files for it.. seems very difficult to manage with several users and way much trouble to make changes
[06:22] <milky> it sucks as i cannot acess them as normal user
[06:22] <swoop> perhaps just me, but isnt there a gui ftp server available ?
[06:22] <eyequeue> swoop:  it would depend on the ftpd server i suppose, though i've not used one here
[06:22] <milky> e.g. in x windows
[06:23] <IcemanV9> E0x: hmm. admin > login screen setup might be the one as well. good catch.
[06:23] <tiglionabbit> milky: well, you could open a root terminal
[06:23] <milky> and...
[06:23] <tiglionabbit> and use it from there
[06:23] <swoop> well i have tried VSftpd and PROftpd, and both are "easy" to setup for anonymous access, but when you need pr user login with different permissions pr directory for multiple directories it just seems very much work somkehow
[06:23] <E0x> IcemanV9 if is the same , that cannot help
[06:23] <E0x> me
[06:23] <IcemanV9> E0x: yepper. it is same as gdmsetup.
[06:23] <milky> got that, doing that
[06:23] <E0x> that can't help then
[06:24] <Kimppa> Another question regarding ssh. Can I set the server to listen to several ports for ssh? I know  /etc/ssh/sshd_config is the file to configure, but if I can define several ports, then what is the separator?
[06:24] <milky> but im not really familiar with terminals
[06:24] <xxenon> sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[06:24] <xxenon> bash: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward: Permission denied
[06:24] <xxenon> any clue ?
[06:24] <eyequeue> swoop:  it should be reasonable for someone to write an app to tweak the config files, based on a gui app, but as you know, the configs differ from one ftpd to another
[06:24] <merc> launch a gui file browser via the root terminal.
[06:24] <IcemanV9> E0x: tab (standard greeter) there is option for background
[06:25] <milky> thx anyway
[06:25] <merc> milky -- rea..ok nevermind.
[06:25] <eyequeue> swoop:  all i can suggest is a friendly request to the devel list of the ftpd of your choice, if they know there's a demand, they may put one together
[06:25] <IcemanV9> E0x: then you can change the color at the right bottom
[06:26] <swoop> hmmm well i was kinda hoping somebody already know of a gui supported ftpd eyequeue ;) trying to get some basic networking options going
[06:26] <E0x> IcemanV9 hmm , let take note and test it at home ( no ubuntu box here )
[06:26] <tiglionabbit> milky: sudo nautilus, or whichever browser you use
[06:26] <Lafitte-> is there a way to change the brown ubuntu screens after login manager ??   not desktop and theme but the device loading page
[06:26] <IcemanV9> E0x: i just played with it. that IS the one. :)
[06:26] <swoop> btw question: webmin is what exactly ? seems there is a proftpd plugin for it, but i cant really seem to find out how to use it
[06:26] <eyequeue> swoop:  yeah, i did 'apt-cache search ftpd | grep conf" and didn't find anything like vsftpd-config
[06:27] <E0x> IcemanV9 cool , but that dont change the background in the greeter ( login screen ) right ?
[06:27] <debugger> humm, I'm trying to do a ``apt-get install openssh-server'' but it keeps asking for the CD... but I don't want to insert the CD, so how can I force it to install from the internet?
[06:27] <IcemanV9> E0x: yes, it does as i am exploring it.
[06:27] <eyequeue> swoop:  apt-cache show webmin, description there
[06:27] <tiglionabbit> debugger: you need to change your repositories
[06:27] <E0x> IcemanV9 hmm but change the look of you login screen ?
[06:28] <tiglionabbit> edit /etc/apt/menu.lst and comment out the CD, and uncomment the other things
[06:28] <drunken> anyone?
[06:28] <eyequeue> webmin-proftpd - Proftpd module for webmin          webmin-wuftpd - wu-ftpd control module for webmin
[06:28] <tiglionabbit> E0x: system->admin->login screen setup
[06:28] <IcemanV9> yes, E0x. background color, background pix and everything else. too bad you couldn't test now to see and believe it. :)
[06:29] <debugger> tiglionabbit, menu.lst or sources-.list?
[06:29] <swoop> eyequeue,  exactly ... gonna see what happens if i install that.. perhaps its possible to adminster the ftp from i t
[06:29] <swoop> seems to be what i need perhaps ? wouldnt you agree ;)
[06:29] <tiglionabbit> debugger: whoops, that's what I meant, sorry
[06:29] <eyequeue> swoop:  sounds like it :)
[06:29] <poptones> what tool can I use to get a real time view of traffic by IP?
[06:29] <iceman> After all these years, Linux still lacks one Simple ability, "POINT AND CLICK TO INSTALL" still requiring the NON Geek to have to learn command line. LOKI GAME'S at one point had got there games to install and run on linux, but Until Linux Becomes "non-geek" friendly, it will fall short... which i hate... Linux is a great idea, great Operating system, but lacks the Ease of uses, that "PEOPLE" want...
[06:29] <swoop> i will brb .. gotta see if this webmin thing works ..
[06:29] <tiglionabbit> iceman: whiptail is close enough, come on
[06:29] <IcemanV9> E0x: i am changing it right now on the other box :) looks very cool!
[06:30] <debugger> tiglionabbit, that it, thx! :)
[06:30] <eyequeue> swoop:  not a gui per se, since you could use lynx to get into it from console i suspect, heh.  but yeah, probably covers your needs
[06:30] <ogra> poptones, try etherape
[06:30] <poptones> thx ogra
[06:30] <swoop> eyequeue,  hehe yeah but just something to help me setup without having to learn all the config syntax ect... seems to be ALOT of trouble for a simple ftp server hehe
[06:30] <ogra> poptones, for more detailed info ethereal
[06:30] <E0x> IcemanV9 cool
[06:30] <swoop> at least considering how all the windows alternatives i have tried are extremely easy to setup
[06:31] <swoop> would surprise me if nobody on linux hasnt done something similar...
[06:31] <iceman> Not just games, but drivers. you screw up a install, and lack IRC then you might as well toast a install unless your a Geek ... ;)
[06:31] <poptones> already on it ogra, you've been a great help
[06:31] <ogra> :)
[06:32] <signius> Actually i think some Linux distros are even easier to install than Windows
[06:32] <signius> suse and mandrake for example and also RH/Fedora
[06:32] <poptones> BTW I had a breakin on warty via port 9001, is there a known vulnerability in GAIM on warty?
[06:32] <tweakism> iceman: Basically, you are correct sir.  Linux has a serious place in IT off the desktop, and is also useful in very specific desktop instances, like labs and kiosks.  There isn't a Linux-based OS that actually makes Linux usable by and useful to the average non-IT person.  Maybe Ubuntu will accomplish this goal.  But if not, Linux is still pretty damn valuable.  And someday, someone will.
[06:32] <iceman> Ubuntu has me inpressed, but Drivers like nvidia's and no ease of install cost me more than one install
[06:33] <justin> iceman: what problem did you have installing the nvidia drivers? it takes about 10 seconds to do
[06:33] <signius> some drivers under windows can be a complete to install also though
[06:33] <signius> complete pig i meant
[06:33] <caffinated> if you think that's fun, try moving to ubuntu-amd64 :)
[06:33] <swoop> im impressed by how easy ubuntu was after install.. everything worked right out of the box
[06:33] <caffinated> i can't even get a proper flash plugin right now
[06:33] <swoop> however more advanced functions lack documentation i find
[06:34] <tiglionabbit> caffinated: install it through firefox
[06:34] <swoop> most stuff is only "here is the basics, now go read stuff and google around"
[06:34] <caffinated> tiglionabbit: doesn't work.
[06:34] <tiglionabbit> worked for me
[06:34] <tiglionabbit> how does it not work?
[06:34] <iceman> tweakism full agree with you.. 100% ... I hate being a slave to the microshaft os, but having to reinstall after i screw up, that sucks...
[06:34] <uc50ic4more> caffinated - there is NO flash plug for amd64
[06:34] <swoop> alot of the documentation is more advanced that the non-tech person would appriciate
[06:34] <caffinated> uc50ic4more: exactly
[06:34] <tiglionabbit> oh, 64 bit..  heh sorry
[06:34] <uc50ic4more> u will have to install a 32 bit browser in addition to the 64 bit
[06:34] <floater> Any americans here who knows about cars ?
[06:35] <uc50ic4more> also, under x64 there are several win32 codecs that do not exist yet
[06:35] <tweakism> iceman: Well, I'm an experienced Linux user, so this doesn't count, but I find that MS is much, much, much, much more likely to force me to reinstall the OS than any Linux distro ever.
[06:35] <caffinated> more likely ubuntu will regretfully get uninstalled
[06:35] <eyequeue> i've driven one
[06:35] <caffinated> at least until there is better support
[06:35] <tiglionabbit> floater: pretty odd question to ask a linux channel, eh?
[06:35] <Ubuntian> caffinated, what are the other problems that u have with ubuntu amd64 ?
[06:35] <caffinated> Ubuntian: ndiswrapper issues.
[06:35] <eyequeue> poptones:  gaim did have some security upgrades, iirc
[06:35] <swoop> i love linux, but its just too hard to find the good documentation you need sometimes.. i mean if you DO find something it likely for another distro and not easily working on your distro
[06:35] <caffinated> though, that's getting corrected with better hardware that is supported
[06:35] <swoop> OR outdated and you dont know theupdated commands :(
[06:36] <floater> hehe yes it is. I just ahve to send a fax to n.america and was wondering if my fax will make sense. I was thinking something like this: http://vk0.dk/vkprivupload/tsnckuov/moulding.txt
[06:36] <uc50ic4more> caffinated - i copied my entire HOME directory over to another drive, installed ubuntu i386 and copied the whole mess back.. i deleted the .gnome directory when there were some troubles booting, but other than that, my transition from x64 to i386 was very smooth
[06:36] <tiglionabbit> tweakism: tech support is actually trained to tell you that if they don't know what's going on
[06:36] <eyequeue> swoop:  sounds like you're volunteering to write something newer ;)
[06:36] <debugger> is there a way of knowning which configuration files a package will use?  I mean, I've just installed openssh-server, did I dpkg -l openssh-server, but the files under /etc/ssh/ do not happear on that listing. :|
[06:36] <iceman> tweakism would agree, guess if i built my pc around linux it might be more stable, i build it around a stable Windows install .. so that is a good point
[06:36] <swoop> eyequeue, would love to ;) just need to learn how ;) hehe
[06:36] <swoop> was actually thinking about doing something on easy ftp for linux if i dont find anything
[06:36] <justin> debugger: man sshd, read "FILES"
[06:36] <tweakism> tiglionabbit: Of course, "not knowing what's going on", and having no reasonable way to find out, is a classic Windows-using scenario.
[06:36] <caffinated> uc50ic4more: too much like work.  i'll probably move to gentoo, then i don't have to worry about people making packages
[06:36] <swoop> but again im just a newbie with ambitions hehe or grand illusions of grandure :D
[06:36] <eyequeue> debugger:  /etc/ssh/sshd* but you know that now i'm sure
[06:37] <debugger> justin, well, I known how to do that ;)
[06:37] <debugger> justin, I'm just wondering if this apt/dpkg thing shouldn't mention that :)
[06:37] <uc50ic4more> caffinated - true, but in any case, using a x64 version of any distro will disallow teh use of Flash, ndiswrapper, win32 codecs, etc.. the nature of the beast :(
[06:37] <caffinated> uc50ic4more: i'll still recomend it to anyone running 32bit though.  it's really well done on that platform.
[06:37] <tweakism> iceman: You can't blame Linux for being unable to support hardware that 1) vendors refuse to release drivers for and 2) vendors refuse to release interface documentation for.  Linux kernel has done an amazing job of supporting hardware.
[06:37] <justin> debugger: cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.conffiles ?
[06:38] <Ubuntian> i installed ubuntu x86 on my brother's desktop amd64 (realised yesterday my mistake) i guess that's why he has some problems with it (password problems)
[06:38] <iceman> tweakism I have tried linux from red hat 5.2 and a lot of distros since... Ubuntu has me most inpressed ... so far...
[06:38] <uc50ic4more> caffinated - yes, i have been very happy w/ the i386 version
[06:38] <caffinated> tweakism: oh, i don't at all.  i'm going to replace this wifi card.
[06:38] <eyequeue> debugger:  you could perhaps grep etc /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.postinst
[06:38] <uc50ic4more> mind u, the x64 was flawless as well, but lacked compatilbility
[06:38] <caffinated> yes, the 64bit is freaking fast
[06:38] <tweakism> iceman: Yep.  Ubuntu is impressive.
[06:38] <caffinated> i hate to give it up
[06:38] <eyequeue> debugger:  yeah, justin's is better
[06:38] <tiglionabbit> ubuntian: password problems?  RootSudo wiki?
[06:39] <debugger> justin, no, the ones there, are the same that appear on dpkg -l.
[06:39] <fvasquez> How can I install flash plugin
[06:39] <iceman> tweakism Not meaning to take anything from linux as a os.. overall... just a script meathod need to be worked on to make installs or drivers, ect... a bit easier ..
[06:39] <tiglionabbit> debugger: it's case-sensitive.  Capital L please
[06:39] <zAo^> fvasquez, www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:39] <debugger> tiglionabbit, sorry, I mean -L :)
[06:39] <tweakism> iceman: I have different goals, but Ubuntu gives me:  1) An excellent binary package format (.deb), 2) recent packages, and, as an added bonus I wasn't even expecting when I looked for a new distro, 3) out of the box working setup, and a clean, polished interface.
[06:39] <tweakism> iceman: Also, Synaptic is pretty amazing.
[06:39] <caffinated> uc50ic4more: and i'm still going to run ubuntu at work.  it makes my life happy at work :)
[06:40] <tiglionabbit> what I like about Ubuntu is how it's debian but doesn't ask quite so many configuration questions.  It's really nice to its users
[06:40] <uc50ic4more> fvasquez - *if* you have the i386, *and* the correct repositories in Synaptic, it is listed there
[06:40] <caffinated> tiglionabbit: in more ways than one.  have you been in #debian these days? ;)
[06:40] <tweakism> caffinated: haha.
[06:40] <caffinated> the code of conduct in ubuntu makes all the difference
[06:40] <tiglionabbit> nope, I haven't.  What's it like?
[06:41] <tiglionabbit> oh
[06:41] <IcemanV9> caffinated: it's nice that you're allowed to use ubuntu @ work. i got chewed out when i tried. sheesh.
[06:41] <caffinated> tiglionabbit: it can be fairly hostile
[06:41] <caffinated> IcemanV9: when i got here, they let me use whatever i want.  i chose this.
[06:41] <tiglionabbit> I've found a lot of ircers to be fairly hostile.  I've been kicked out of my share of #windows channels
[06:41] <iceman> tweakism ... ubuntu went so smooth as a install, i give LInux and ubuntu all the credit of a job well done, just someone need to set out to make a install script for installing the nvidia, ati, and other drivers ...
[06:41] <tiglionabbit> a #css channel too
[06:41] <uc50ic4more> if u folks want *hostile*, try rec.audio.opinion on USENET :)
[06:41] <IcemanV9> caffinated: well. i'm very green of u. :P
[06:42] <cuntface> This box is a little older and a little slower than most. I think I will just use console for now, but I would like to know if it is alright to simply use the killall command to stop xorg, or should I stop GDM?
[06:42] <tiglionabbit> oh and anything about macromedia
[06:42] <floater> eyequeue: anything to fix in this http://vk0.dk/vkprivupload/tsnckuov/moulding.txt
[06:42] <floater> or someone who knows english
[06:42] <cuntface> I don't need X draining resources while I'm using console.
[06:42] <caffinated> uc50ic4more: i don't bother with usenet.  i've found it a bigger waste of time than irc ;)
[06:42] <poptones> etherape rox, thx again for the help
[06:43] <psychonate|away> If I don't want to use X, should I stop GDM, or should I just kill X?
[06:43] <tiglionabbit> cuntface: if you kill xorg, it will run gdm again
[06:43] <iceman> Actualy looked at one more distro, but no support i have found on freenode is ftosx ... "based on linux ... 8 dang cd's ... but will die without a irc ...
[06:43] <uc50ic4more> caffinated - true - over the last 10 years, web-based forums and IRC, etc. have pretty much entirely supplanted USENET
[06:43] <tweakism> iceman: There's an nvidia package.  If it doesn't install properly, it's the .deb's fault and should be fixed.  Linux is just more complex than Windows, but it's not simple to fix because a lot of the advantages of Linux come from things that directly cause that complexity.  If we dumbed it down to make the clueless newbie happy, and consequently cut out tons of features and flexibility, I, the experienced IT linux user, would be left hanging.  Finding a w
[06:43] <caffinated> IcemanV9: Bravenet goes out of it's way to keep it's employees happy.  I count myself lucky to be here.
[06:43] <eyequeue> floater:  nice car, but no, i don't even know where to turn to get that info
[06:43] <psychonate|away> tiglionabbit: ah, so I should just stop GDM then?
[06:43] <tweakism> wow, that got cut off.  Where at?
[06:44] <floater> but you do understand that text eyequeue ? I am going to fax that to a chrysler person in USA
[06:44] <tiglionabbit> psychonate: you should log out of your session, and then stop gdm
[06:44] <iceman> tweakism general install's should go easy, the tweeking, preformance and such could remain ...
[06:44] <eyequeue> floater:  yes, the text is clear enough, if i knew the answer i'd be very clear what you wanted
[06:44] <uc50ic4more> floater - are you asking here if the English is proper?
[06:44] <floater> ok thanks :)
[06:44] <debugger> oh sweet... ``/etc/init.d/ssh start'' fails.. and /var/log/messages does not contain any clue! :(
[06:44] <floater> yea
[06:44] <debugger> any help with this?
[06:45] <tiglionabbit> tweakism: you were cut off after "Finding a w"
[06:45] <justin> iceman: all it takes to install the nvidia driver is installing the nvidia-glx, the restricted modules package(which you probably already have), and change 'nv' to 'nvidia' in the xorg.conf. that isn't very complicated
[06:45] <tweakism> Finding a way to make it flexible, powerful, and simple is the issue, and it's something no one's got down yet, especially not MS.  OS X comes close.
[06:45] <uc50ic4more> the english is just fine
[06:45] <IcemanV9> caffinated: that's nice to know that employer does care these days.
[06:45] <psychonate|away> tiglionabbit: Will do. Thanks.
[06:45] <caffinated> OS X does it by taking almost all the choice away from the user
[06:46] <eyequeue> floater:  "moldings" is the american spelling though
[06:46] <caffinated> that's not an operating system, it's a straight jacket
[06:46] <floater> I think I leave that substance away.... or what do you think which word is better. coating material or coating substance or some other
[06:46] <psychonate|away> Just so you fellas know, cuntface and I are different people. I'm just going to be on his box quite a bit heh
[06:46] <iceman> justin i lacked the horiz and vert sync lines in the xorg.conf file, so could not run over 640x480 ... and toasted a install in the process ..
[06:46] <floater> have heard that there some coating material... we say pllysteaine in finnish.. is available in usa
[06:46] <uc50ic4more> floater - material might be better... if *you* are not an expert, do not try to be too terribly specific - inadvertently using the WRONG terms may make it more difficult for a trained tech to understand u
[06:46] <Ubuntian> so u all would say that it's best to kee the x86 version on a amd64 instead of the amd64 version?
[06:46] <swoop> hmm great ... dont know my own login to Webmin... :(
[06:46] <caffinated> OS X is truly funny as an OS - in a way, it's the complete opposite of most linuxes
[06:47] <iceman> I'll reinstll ubuntu tonight.. got to re format the harddrive... it's set to 32 gig.. needs reset to 40 gig
[06:47] <swoop> and dont know how to change it .. :(
[06:47] <justin> iceman: how did you 'toast' the install by chaning one file?
[06:47] <caffinated> linux == choice.  OS X == we've made the choice for you
[06:47] <swoop> just installed using synaptic and then try to login .. but dont know the login ..
[06:47] <floater> uc50ic4more ok, most likely yeah, thanks
[06:47] <justin> swoop: /usr/share/doc/webmin? probably needs roots password set
[06:47] <iceman> justin no way to get on line and get help "HERE" and be at the pc to fix it at teh same time ..
[06:47] <tweakism> caffinated: Excluding my politics, and on a technical basis, OS X is an awesome operating system,
[06:48] <caffinated> tweakism: I would disagree.
[06:48] <egg> Hi
[06:48] <debugger> oh, this is odd.... ssh server starts on tcp6.. but not on tcp4.. :|
[06:48] <tweakism> caffinated: It beats Windows hands down.
[06:48] <iceman> tweakism i'd like to try darwin on the x86 ... seems to lack a lot so far
[06:49] <caffinated> tweakism: on a security level, yes.  on any other level?  I don't think so.
[06:49] <tiglionabbit> well it's pretty
[06:49] <uc50ic4more> floater - also, u asked is there was a way to "fix" the mouldings - this implies they are broken... if u simply want to ADD something to them, instead of "fix", i'd ask if i could "coat" the mouldings with a coating material... does that make sense to u?
[06:50] <uc50ic4more> floater - but do not worry - your English is better than most North American's :)
[06:50] <uc50ic4more> i think u will be understood just fine
[06:50] <tiglionabbit> uc50, it really aggravates me when a native English speaker corrects someone, and says u
[06:51] <uc50ic4more> haha - true - this whole online-speak becomes infectious
[06:51] <uc50ic4more> i have to restrain myself sometimes from using "u" in an e-mail! :)
[06:51] <uc50ic4more> or in a hand-written note to my wife
[06:51] <tiglionabbit> and there's an apostrophe error too.  North Americans'
[06:51] <iceman> I would like to Build a install around a SLACKWARE "ZIPSLACK" install, having X and kde running, with my network up, and have Windows 98 in the background to boot and irc from to "SAVE MY BUTT" untill i learn more about Repairing my linux screw up's ...
[06:52] <zAo^> lol
[06:52] <uc50ic4more> tiglionabbit - well, perhaps *i8 am one of those dubious North american's :) who speak less capable english than floater?
[06:52] <bob2> it's really quite hard to really break a linux system
[06:52] <bob2> you have to work at it
[06:52] <bob2> and not in a "oh, I wonder what happens whey I do $foo" way
[06:52] <uc50ic4more> bob2 - but i have figured it out a few times :)
[06:52] <Ubuntian> well language is all about saying more with less words/letters (economy) so "u" will probably become standard one day...
[06:52] <tiglionabbit> iceman: that sounds crazy, how is that possible?
[06:53] <uc50ic4more> Ubuntian - my friends have a 14 year old daughter than could condense War & Peace down to a brochure with her text messaging lingo
[06:53] <tiglionabbit> ubuntian: I seriously doubt that, and hope it never does.  However, for your amusement, http://freespeling.com
[06:53] <caffinated> Ubuntian: that's an unfortunate outlook.
[06:53] <iceman> bob2 i've always been inpressed by linux, doen install's from red hat 5.2 and mandrake, suse, and a lot of them ... but when i screw up, and lack dockumentation, i am a lot puppy, and just reinstall ...
[06:53] <eyequeue> Ubuntian:  but we don't have "t" in the late afternoon in .uk
[06:54] <iceman> tired or reinstalling ..
[06:54] <bob2> iceman: sure, but how on earth are you breaking it often enough that you want to automate it?
[06:54] <caffinated> Ubuntian: we've been actively discouraging that IQ-draining mode of speech for some time now in the channels I op in.
[06:54] <tiglionabbit> iceman: ubuntu should be different.
[06:55] <uc50ic4more> caffinated - is this for clarity's sake, or for the preservation of our language?
[06:55] <iceman> Question, using the live cd, how to gain premissions to fix a harddrive install ...
[06:55] <eyequeue> caffinated:  makes me want to frequent your channels, "u" is ultra-annoying
[06:55] <tiglionabbit> iceman: this will show you how to reconfigure xorg, btw: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml
[06:56] <diego> iceman: mount?
[06:56] <tiglionabbit> er, auto-reconfigure it
[06:56] <caffinated> uc50ic4more: I find it's hard to take someone seriously when i see 'hi r u help me plz tnx#!@#'
[06:56] <tiglionabbit> um, I believe there's a guide for that.  The how to fix grub from livecd guide
[06:56] <swoop> hmm this is bothering me :(
[06:56] <tiglionabbit> what?
[06:56] <caffinated> eyequeue: we're fairly strict about it in ##php
[06:56] <uc50ic4more> caffinated - those people may be the ones most in need of assistance though
[06:57] <swoop> found a perl script that supposedly changes my webmin password
[06:57] <swoop> i was never aksed what i was
[06:57] <swoop> but each time i run it and get told my password was changed it still doesnt work to login
[06:57] <iceman> No, if i screw up somethng, beingable to READ and WRITE TO the harddrive to fix the Screw up from a live cd, but it always tells me i lack the proper premissions to write the file
[06:57] <Ubuntian> i don't think it's IQ-draining, those 14 y/old don't want to waste time in a standard way of talking, i don't like it myself (the sms talk) but it has always been that way (i think)
[06:58] <caffinated> Ubuntian: talking properly isn't a waste of time though.  it's easy, and the amount of time spent abbreviating things is neglegable.
[06:58] <Brad_c> hey guys
[06:58] <eyequeue> Ubuntian:  always?  i think i'd be more likely to believe ineffective communication has always been a barrier to understanding
[06:58] <tiglionabbit> I refuse to talk to people on AIM unless they spell things right.  I tell them "if you value our conversation, you will speak intelligibly"
[06:58] <caffinated> anyhow, my opinion only, i'm not suggesting anyone here change their habits :)
[06:58] <Brad_c> is there a temperature monitor for ubuntu?
[06:58] <Brad_c> cpu
[06:58] <uc50ic4more> if anything, IM contractions may simply the horrendous complexities in English, and may actually make it a more democratic language for non-native speakers
[06:58] <debugger> how can I disable ipv6?
[06:58] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  watch who i answer in here some time, heh
[06:59] <iceman> Brad_c Superkaramba ..
[06:59] <Ubuntian> the people in the street are the ones creating the language of tommorow, not the ones doing the websters dictionnary...
[06:59] <Brad_c> iceman where can i get it?
[06:59] <justin> uc50ic4more: since when is 'you' a horrendous complexity? if anything it makes it more confusing for people that speak a language in which 'u' means something else
[06:59] <uc50ic4more> in the same way that the proposed "Euro English" conventions that have made news here and there in North America have sough to eliminate some redundancies and needless complexities, like teh letter "c"
[06:59] <eyequeue> if someone won't speak with real words, i won't choose to help them
[07:00] <iceman> Brad_c kde-look.org .. or apt-get it ...
[07:00] <tiglionabbit> http://i.somethingawful.com/inserts/articlepics/photoshop/06-03-05-software/Unkempt.jpg
[07:00] <iceman> gkrellm as another package ..
[07:00] <eyequeue> if enough find the gibberish-speak gets them left in the cold, maybe they'll learn to speak in actual english
[07:00] <baaaH> hello, i want to use fluxbox with gnome-panel on Ubuntu, how to do that?
[07:01] <Chastaghir> Hello all, is there a possibility to add more harddisks to the "computer:///"-overview of nautilus?
[07:01] <diego> baaaH: have you installed fluxbox?
[07:01] <iceman> baaaH apt-get install fluxbox
[07:01] <baaaH> yes
[07:01] <baaaH> i installed flux
[07:01] <baaaH> box
[07:01] <diego> baaaH: are you running it?
[07:01] <baaaH> i'm in windows for now
[07:01] <tiglionabbit> chastaghir: yes, add them to /etc/fstab
[07:01] <Brad_c> thanks iceman
[07:01] <baaaH> but i've loaded it erlier..fluxbox works
[07:01] <Chastaghir> I added them there
[07:01] <egg> fluxbox,blackbox,whitebox,openbox...
[07:02] <Chastaghir> is there a special mount point?
[07:02] <diego> baaaH: wtf..heh...well run fluxbox and then just open gnome-panel
[07:02] <baaaH> how to load gnomepanel, and how to make it to load automaticly?
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> oh that's right, nautilus doesn't...
[07:02] <diego> baaaH: couldn't tell you how to make it automatically happen off the top of my head
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> well, you can navigate to their mount point, or you can pin that directory
[07:02] <eyequeue> Chastaghir:  "filesysem" should cover all of them, if you mount them
[07:02] <Ubuntian> when there is new words, different words, that convey more meaning, or the same meaning faster, that means the language is evolving, that it is alive, (but again i don't like the sms talk either)
[07:03] <dooglus> man, every time the phone rings, I press 'space' to pause mplayer.  when i finish on the phone I press 'space' again to unpause it, but mplayer has locked up.
[07:03] <diego> baaaH: use an xterm to open it with `gnome-panel &` or something
[07:03] <dooglus> if I try it without the phone ringing, space works fine and doesn't lock mplayer up.
[07:03] <dooglus> is this a known bug?
[07:03] <Chastaghir> i know, but I want to create a as much as possible windows-like environment for my girl-friend. filesystem is evil for her :-)
[07:03] <tiglionabbit> I've seen in several programs I can pin directories to a common list.  It appears under the Places menu.  How do you do this from nautilus though?
[07:03] <uc50ic4more> justin - point taken .. to someone trying to learn english, "u" could do more harm than good
[07:03] <uc50ic4more> eyequeue - I hope you never land a tech support gig in the inner city or deep South anywhere :)
[07:03] <eyequeue> dooglus:  yes, murphy wrote a law about it :)
[07:03] <egg> Chastaghir:  OSX
[07:04] <tiglionabbit> dooglus: try VLC?
[07:04] <eyequeue> uc50ic4more:  i hope so even more :)
[07:04] <egg> Chastaghir:  iBook +OSX
[07:04] <diego> peace
[07:04] <justin> tiglionabbit: not sure if you can, but you can do it from any gtk2 open dialog
[07:04] <Chastaghir> :-)
[07:04] <uc50ic4more> dooglus - forgive me for asking the obvious, but by "phone ringing", you are referring to a VOIP phone, not a land line? If a land line ringing somehow affects your mplayer, you may require an exorcist
[07:04] <psychonate|away> tiglionabbit: Is it alright to just killall gdm?
[07:04] <Rumbo> Hi all
[07:04] <eyequeue> uc50ic4more:  :)
[07:04] <tiglionabbit> psychonate: Uh, I wouldn't if I were you.  Why not just stop it?
[07:04] <psychonate|away> tiglionabbit: gdm has no stop option, and the gdm-stop script isn't present in Ubuntu
[07:04] <Ubuntian> uc50ic4more, maybe just doing space twice affects it
[07:05] <egg> Chastaghir:  low-tech sulution
[07:05] <tiglionabbit> really?  It  worked for me when I did it, I believe.  can't you say sudo gdm stop ?
[07:05] <eyequeue> psychonate:  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[07:05] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  ^^
[07:05] <bob2> tiglionabbit: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop?
[07:05] <tiglionabbit> oh, yeah, the init one
[07:05] <Rumbo> just installed Ubuntu for the first time..Everything works fine except that when i try to build otcl-1.9, configure script complains about not finding X header files
[07:05] <Chastaghir> but there must me the chance to add some items to "computer:///", I think. And it must be cheaper than an ibook
[07:05] <psychonate|away> tiglionabbit: "gdm already running. Aborting!"
[07:05] <Rumbo> i already installed x-dev package
[07:05] <tiglionabbit> psychonate: use eyequeue's version
[07:06] <eyequeue> Chastaghir:  you're looking to mount things
[07:06] <justin> psychonate|away: /etc/init.d/gdm
[07:06] <dooglus> uc50ic4more: it's the land line.
[07:06] <tiglionabbit> chastaghir: can you make a link?
[07:06] <tiglionabbit> wait, that wouldn't make sense
[07:06] <bob2> Rumbo: so, install them.  sudo aptityde install xlibs-dev build-essential.
[07:06] <psychonate|away> justin: ah, ty
[07:06] <dooglus> tiglionabbit: I tried VLC but it won't go full screen properly
[07:06] <Rumbo> anyone know what package contains the X11/Intrinsic.h file?
[07:07] <bob2> Rumbo: er, aptitude.
[07:07] <tiglionabbit> dooglus: even when you double-click on the screen?
[07:07] <tiglionabbit> it works for me =P
[07:07] <dooglus> tiglionabbit: when you ask it to go full screen, it takes over all my monitors
[07:07] <Rumbo> i already installed xlibs-dev
[07:07] <eyequeue> Chastaghir:  perhaps you're coming from a non-unix background.  in unix, everything is a "file", including pipes, devices, and even files.  you mount a filesystem (which is on a hard drive, for example) and then it is yet another file
[07:07] <lotusleaf> Now that the backports have mirrors, is there an ETA on GPG signing?
[07:07] <dooglus> tiglionabbit: I usually only want to watch a movie on one screen
[07:07] <tiglionabbit> dooglus: really?  Using XFCE, I can still change desktop while it is in fullscreen
[07:07] <Ubuntian> what's your res dooglus ?
[07:07] <Rumbo> strangely enough, it supplied /usr/X11R6/include files but not that particular Intrinsic.h file
[07:08] <bob2> Rumbo: you're using hoary, right?
[07:08] <uc50ic4more> dooglus - are you messing with my head, dude?! :)    -- do i understand you correctly: when you space twice to pause resume mplayer when the phone does NOT ring, there are no problems, but when you perform the same actions when the phone IS ringing, it buggers up? if i need to go re-read your question again, i apologize for the confusion
[07:08] <dooglus> Ubuntian: 1280x1024 and 1024x768
[07:08] <eyequeue> Chastaghir:  read "man mount" for specifics on how to mount things, and the file /etc/fstab is used to auto-mount things at boot (man fstab)
[07:08] <Rumbo> hm ok guys
[07:08] <bob2> Rumbo: anyway, http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[07:08] <Rumbo> i didn't use that build-essential command
[07:08] <dooglus> uc50ic4more: that's about it.  uc50ic4more it might be that phone calls are longer than the time I paused for in my other tests
[07:08] <uc50ic4more> dooglus - it is only 1pm where I am, and I have not yet had my Morning coffee :)
[07:08] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: he knows how to mount things.  He wants to do something visually here
[07:08] <Rumbo> it seems that that command installs more packages
[07:09] <eyequeue> uc50ic4more:  damn, scary! (here too!)
[07:09] <bob2> Rumbo: you need to install build-essential.
[07:09] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  visually?  a gui thing?
[07:09] <bob2> Rumbo: libxt-dev contains the Intinsics.h file, but use http://packages.ubuntu.com/ in future.
[07:09] <tiglionabbit> yeah, he said he wants to make it show his mount points in the top of nautilus
[07:09] <Chastaghir> No, that's not what I mean. I'm had run debian for 4 years. I want to know, where to place a link, that the link is seen in computer:/// of nautilus
[07:09] <bob2> LoRez: what's going on?
[07:09] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  as in a separate icon?  ahhh
[07:09] <tiglionabbit> btw, christaughir, KDE's Konqueror will do that just the way you want it
[07:09] <uc50ic4more> dooglus - is your phone line in any way connected to your system via a modem? I wonder if there might be some DC leaking in your modem when the ring current comes down the pike
[07:09] <Lafitte-> where do i go in gnome to control the supend features ?
[07:10] <LoRez> bob2: looks like spam-clones to me
[07:10] <tiglionabbit> christaghir: you could install kubuntu-desktop
[07:10] <bob2> LoRez: did you guys kill them or did they do it themselves?
[07:10] <bob2> Lafitte-: it's not in the gnome control panel
[07:10] <LoRez> bob2: the freenode-connect killed them.
[07:10] <eyequeue> Chastaghir:  perhaps that's the problem, in linux it's all just another sub-part of /
[07:10] <Lafitte-> bob2,  oic    a script ?
[07:10] <bob2> LoRez: ah
[07:10] <dooglus> uc50ic4more: the phone isn't connected to the pc.  and the network comes up the chimney from an office downstairs.
[07:10] <bob2> Lafitte-: depends what you're trying to control.
[07:11] <Lafitte-> bob2,  i want to disable suspend over a time duration
[07:11] <Rumbo_> on an ubuntu sidenote...anyone know a good tool to find memleaks in c++ programs (i normally use valgrind, but in this case it fails to pinpoint the problem)
[07:11] <Lafitte-> bob2,  i dont want anything to suspend after sitting awhile
[07:11] <Chastaghir> hm, my problem had to wait. Now I'm going to see StarWars in Cinema. Thx
[07:11] <bob2> Lafitte-: ubuntu doesn't automatically suspend
[07:12] <bob2> Lafitte-: closest it comes is blanking the screen
[07:12] <jahor> pls i have one little problem with my ubuntu with dependancy... i installed kismet from deb sid (because ubuntu's is old version) with --force-depends but now, i could not use dist-upgrade... it asks for fixing glibc dependancy or to install ubuntu's old veriosn of kismet... is there a clear sollution to this (pinning or so...)
[07:12] <eyequeue> Rumbo:  leaktracer - Simple and efficient memory-leak tracer for C++ programs
[07:12] <uc50ic4more> dooglus - well, the timing of the pressing of the space is the only variable can think of as the culprit... Can you try testing that with different time spans... i can call you to help time the presses of the space bar if you'd like  :)
[07:12] <eyequeue> Rumbo:  never tried it, just poking in apt-cache and found it
[07:12] <dooglus> uc50ic4more: ugh.
[07:12] <Rumbo_> thanks eyequeue never heard of that, will check it out
[07:12] <tiglionabbit> christagir: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21508
[07:12] <bob2> jahor: er, remove it
[07:12] <srockett> Lafitte-> keep an eye on the xscreensaver settings.. there is a setting to suspend. I forgot to disable the screensaver and my server shutdown on me
[07:12] <bob2> jahor: and install the ubuntu one
[07:13] <bob2> jahor: and don't do that again
[07:13] <Lafitte-> bob2,  hrmm   ive been wakeing up to a sleeping comp
[07:13] <dooglus> uc50ic4more: the phone calls were offers of work - so pretty soon I'll have a proper job and won't be sitting around #ubuntu playing with linux all day :)
[07:13] <Lafitte-> srockett,  oic  ill look there
[07:13] <bob2> jahor: --force-depends will utterly screw apt, do not do it if you expect to use apt or aptitude or synaptic again
[07:13] <bob2> jahor: if you want the newer version, build the sid source package on ubuntu
[07:13] <uc50ic4more> dooglus - have you tried a different audio driver? and for Pete's sake don't go getting a job until we've worked this out! :)
[07:14] <bob2> Lafitte-: that is odd
[07:14] <bob2> Lafitte-: maybe it's a bios setting
[07:14] <dooglus> uc50ic4more: initially I was having problems with the lip-sync in mplayer.
[07:14] <dooglus> but somebody suggested that I use + and - to adjust the timing of the audio.
[07:14] <tiglionabbit> dooglus: me too
[07:14] <jahor> bob2: i have already source here and i'm prepared to rebuild this package... i want to fix this just for "i know for tommotow)
[07:14] <tiglionabbit> dooglus: that's what I did
[07:14] <bob2> jahor: apt won't work until you get rid of it
[07:14] <dooglus> that worked.  pressing - twice adds just the right delay, for all my movies.
[07:15] <tiglionabbit> but then I switched to vlc and it was better
[07:15] <dooglus> tiglionabbit: I tried using -ao with all the different options, but alsa, oss, and several others all caused the same 200ms delay
[07:15] <jahor> bob2: the only problem with sid's package is that it depends on "ds" suffixed but the same version of glibc
[07:15] <tiglionabbit> er, chastaghir
[07:15] <bob2> jahor: yes, indeed, which will a) possibly break kismet and b) will definitely break apt
[07:15] <tiglionabbit> I kept spelling that wrong
[07:16] <uc50ic4more> dooglus - even if altering the sync worked, it is still a remedy for an issue that should be avoidable in the first place.. i'd switch audio drivers if you can... i use a RME hammerfall proefssional audio card with ALSA & JACK, so sadly,  i do not know much about the drivers and their interactions with consumer cards
[07:16] <Rumbo_> one other thing... where do you guys get your packages from? I noticed the synaptic package manager only displayed a small amount of packages available for installation. Is it possible to add a good source with more package-variety? Or are those the only ones supported with ubuntu?
[07:16] <dooglus> I just paused it for 55 seconds and it resumed ok
[07:16] <bob2> Rumbo_: don't add random package sources from outside ubuntu
[07:16] <tiglionabbit> dooglus: I just go in options and set audio-delay -.55
[07:16] <bob2> Rumbo_: perhaps you didn't read wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto yet and enable the universe repository
[07:16] <dooglus> uc50ic4more: you're just showing off now ;)
[07:16] <jahor> bob2: thanx... i just wanted to hack it cleanly... now i see u need to compile ;o)
[07:16] <bob2> jahor: you can just compile the sid source package
[07:17] <dooglus> tiglionabbit: in ~/.mplayer/config?  or where?
[07:17] <bob2> jahor: so you get a .deb of the new version that is properly installable on ubuntu
[07:17] <uc50ic4more> dooglus - far from showing off, i am copping to being ignorant of a vital component of a well rounded system
[07:17] <devDe1ay> ubuntu installer > yellowdog installer when you can't boot from cd
[07:17] <eyequeue> Rumbo:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:17] <jahor> bob2: i know... but most of the time (evening) i'm not online and i didn't have all the damn -dev packages ;o)
[07:17] <bob2> jahor: ah, right
[07:18] <Rumbo_> i didn't know there was a wiki even, been having lotsa work so i had to rush through install (didn't read a lot of info about it :-s )
[07:18] <dooglus> hmmm.  a pause of 2:02 was fine too.
[07:18] <dooglus> these weren't long phone calls
[07:18] <tiglionabbit> dooglus: in preferences in the gui
[07:18] <dooglus> tiglionabbit: I don't have a gui
[07:18] <tiglionabbit> you're not using gmplayer?
[07:18] <anubisds> dudes, does anyone have a hauppauge PVR working with ubuntu and xawtv?
[07:19] <dooglus> tiglionabbit: no, mplayer
[07:19] <tiglionabbit> oh, well then read the manual or something
[07:19] <jahor> btw that brings a question... is there a ubu extra cd with devels ? or i need to debmirror whole ubu ?
[07:19] <lsuactiafner> what do i need to change to upgrade glibc to experimentals 2.3.5?
[07:20] <bob2> jahor: depends what you want
[07:20] <bob2> lsuactiafner: er, why do you want to do that?
[07:21] <tiglionabbit> *yawn*  well I'm gonna take a nap.  bye
[07:21] <bob2> adios
[07:21] <lsuactiafner> bob2 : so i can use glx 2.0 with new nvidia drivers
[07:21] <lsuactiafner> i know its a bad idea..
[07:22] <bob2> it's a very very bad idea
[07:22] <bob2> so bad that your hoary system won't boot if you do it
[07:22] <dooglus> looks to me like -audio-delay is an encoding option.
[07:22] <lsuactiafner> bob2 : debian ppl upgraded and it worked
[07:22] <lsuactiafner> nvidia forum
[07:22] <bob2> lsuactiafner: indeed, debian isn't ubuntu
[07:22] <bob2> dooglus: try -autosync 30
[07:23] <jahor> bob2: i want to have all -deb packages related to packages i have installed... i wrote some bash foo for installing them but it didn't work ;o)
[07:23] <bob2> lsuactiafner: why do you want that version instead of the one in hoary?
[07:23] <lsuactiafner> dooglus : and make sure your kernel does rtc
[07:24] <lsuactiafner> bob2 : becuase the one in hoary has screwed my system up before, the one in hoary is old and why would i want a middle man between me and nvidia..
[07:24] <lotusleaf> what's up with the synaptic update listed in backports? "0.56+revertedto+officialhoary+0.55+cvs20050406-1~5.04ubp1"
[07:24] <jahor> bob2: the whole problem is that i came from slack/arch/crux and i used to have all for compiling out of the box ;o)
[07:24] <bob2> lsuactiafner: it screwed it up before? how? did you file a bug?
[07:25] <bob2> lsuactiafner: it's not "old", it's just not the absolute latest version
[07:25] <bob2> lsuactiafner: and you want a "middleman" so that someone checks it actually works
[07:25] <lsuactiafner> bob2 : no.. screwed up as in glx was broken beyond my power to repair
[07:25] <dooglus> bob2: -autosync changes how quickly mplayer adjusts the sync when it's correcting it.  the problem i'm having is that mplayer doesn't know that anything needs adjusting.
[07:25] <bob2> lsuactiafner: did you file a bug?
[07:25] <bob2> dooglus: ah
[07:26] <lsuactiafner> bob2 : no, after spending hours to try fix it and not finding out what was wrong i didnt have anything to report
[07:26] <lsuactiafner> but broken glx
[07:26] <bob2> lsuactiafner: thats a bug that should have been reported
[07:26] <IFRFLYR> HI. I have 2.6.10-5-386 and I'd really like to upgrade it; people on ubuntu-devel mentioned my centrino machine (1.5GHz Intel Centrino Pentium M Processor 715A) can handle 586 not 386 stuff. Is this linux-image-2.6.10-5-686  or am I missing the whole idea?
[07:27] <lsuactiafner> suppose but ubuntu-devel would just reply 'dont install nvidia drivers we didnt put on apt and then try run apt'
[07:27] <eyequeue> IFRFLYR:  that would be the one
[07:27] <bob2> IFRFLYR: install linux-686
[07:27] <lsuactiafner> IFRFLYR : it can handel i686 i think
[07:27] <Joe_Powerbook> is the tracker coming back online soon?
[07:27] <IFRFLYR> Thank you all
[07:27] <bob2> lsuactiafner: yes, if you have problems with the ones from nvidia.com, you are on your own
[07:28] <bob2> lsuactiafner: if you have problems with the ones in Hoary, that's a bug people will look at seriously
[07:28] <debugger> IFRFLYR, humm, it can hable 386 stuff just fine... you must have missunderstood then.
[07:28] <debugger> err them
[07:28] <Gh0sty> anyone here have dualscreen running with twinview (not xinerama) on hoary ?
[07:28] <|Amon|> Can someone point me to some documentation which will help me get rid of this 640x480 screen res?
[07:28] <IFRFLYR> debugger. No, they said, "Hmm, you're running 386...You could do with upgrading to the 586 stuff
[07:29] <lsuactiafner> bob2 : doesnt make sense for an ubuntu maintainer to edit a package to work with hoary, hoary should be changed to comply to the standards that will make any implementation of the driver, from me or a maintainer work
[07:29] <bob2> |Amon|: what video chipset?
[07:29] <|Amon|> radeon 9200se
[07:29] <bob2> lsuactiafner: I don't understand what that means
[07:29] <jpfarias> hey people
[07:29] <allergique> hello
[07:29] <bob2> lsuactiafner: you seem to not understand what the point of the nvidia ubuntu packages are
[07:29] <jpfarias> is there a way to use another app to download files on apt-get?
[07:29] <debugger> IFRFLYR, well, where in that sentece they said it can't hande 386 stuff? hehe
[07:29] <refuze2looze> does anybody know what aclocal is? i'm compiling something from source and when i make it complaines that i don't have aclocal-1.6
[07:29] <bob2> lsuactiafner: and if nvidia is actually building things that require glibc 2.3.5, they're utterly insane
[07:29] <Gh0sty> jpfarias: console or x based?
[07:30] <bob2> refuze2looze: install automake-1.6
[07:30] <jpfarias> console or x
[07:30] <bob2> jpfarias: no, why?
[07:30] <jpfarias> any will do
[07:30] <lsuactiafner> bob2 : ubuntu should follow the standards so an nvidia driver can install on my system without a maintainer tweaking @ it
[07:30] <jpfarias> bob2, I want to use axel to open multiple connections
[07:30] <refuze2looze> bob2: thanks i'll try
[07:30] <bob2> lsuactiafner: no, that's not how it works
[07:30] <Gh0sty> jpfarias: try aptitude for x
[07:30] <lsuactiafner> but i do understand 2.3.5 is beyound ubuntu control
[07:30] <bob2> jpfarias: how would that help?  apt already downloads from each server simultaneously.
[07:30] <debugger> I don0t get this... the only "manual" for ubuntu is ubuntu guide???   I'm looking for info on how to manage the boot scripts, but so far, I didn't found any info :(
[07:31] <lsuactiafner> hey if it works in slackware mandrake redhat is has to work in ubuntu..
[07:31] <eyequeue> lsuactiafner:  actually, standards?  nvidia should open the specs so all of this conversation becomes irrelevant, really
[07:31] <jpfarias> bob2: but not multiple threads for each file :)
[07:31] <bob2> debugger: it's basically identical on any sysv-init system
[07:31] <bob2> jpfarias: how would that help?
[07:31] <Gh0sty> anyone here have dualscreen running with twinview (not xinerama) on hoary ?
[07:31] <|Amon|> bob2 ?
[07:31] <bob2> lsuactiafner: and the dodgy nvidia installer will work as well on ubuntu as it would on them
[07:31] <bob2> lsuactiafner: but there's no point, and it means you're on your own if it breaks
[07:31] <jpfarias> bob2: when I use multiple threads for each file I can download N times faster
[07:31] <bob2> jpfarias: no, sorry
[07:31] <lsuactiafner> ie, if it works in slackware mandrake redhat it HAS to work in ubuntu.. so no tweaking @ packages from nvidia..
[07:31] <debugger> bob2, on RH you have chkconfig, on gentoo you have rc.update, on ubuntu what we have??
[07:31] <dalbjerg> hello, anyone how has a T42 ??? I want to know how you disable the touchpad, in ubuntu ?
[07:32] <dooglus> debugger: try sysv-rc-conf for managing boot scripts
[07:32] <bob2> debugger: update-rc.d and rm and rcconf and sysv-rc-conf
[07:32] <bwlang> dalbjerg: ther is a programm called qsynaptic i think.... that will let you disable it
[07:32] <bwlang> dalbjerg: you can also disable it in the bios
[07:32] <dalbjerg> bwlang, thx
[07:32] <bob2> jpfarias: how would that work?  you have some amount of bandwdith between you and the mirror.  the mirror is not limiting the amount of bandwidth per http connection.
[07:32] <allergique> I need help
[07:33] <debugger> dockane, bob2: where did you find out about those?
[07:33] <bob2> jpfarias: connecting again just means you split the available bandwidth (Which is constant) between multiple downloads
[07:33] <bob2> debugger: by using debian for 5 years
[07:33] <allergique> I'm connected to network (update works well) but no Web!!!
[07:33] <bob2> debugger: normal ubuntu users don't need to know or care, since they can just remove things they don't want to run
[07:34] <refuze2looze> bob2: installed automake1.6 but still getting that error
[07:34] <debugger> bob2, so, so if I follow the debian manual I would be fine with ubuntu?
[07:34] <bob2> debugger: not in general
[07:34] <bob2> debugger: but yes in this case
[07:34] <Gh0sty> debugger: yes
[07:34] <debugger> bob2, humm, so no manual for ubuntu??
[07:34] <Gh0sty> anyone here have dualscreen running with twinview (not xinerama) with nvidia card on hoary ?
[07:35] <bob2> debugger: wiki.ubuntu.com
[07:35] <Gh0sty> debugger: ubuntu is largely debian with some graphical extras
[07:35] <debugger> bob2, well, forgive me, but readind a wiki sucks hard. :(
[07:36] <bob2> debugger: ok!
[07:36] <bob2> there's not much to surprise a seasoned linux/unix user.
[07:36] <debugger> bob2, did you ever read FreeBSD handbook?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> debugger: lots here too >> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/index.html#contents
[07:37] <lsuactiafner> heh i read bsd handbook, most HOWTOs ect but ubuntu still confused me..
[07:37] <bob2> debugger: no
[07:37] <refuze2looze> bob2: any idea? here's part of the error: aclocal: configure.in: 8: macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library
[07:37] <debugger> bob2, oh, the FBSD handbook rocks!  pleanty of nice documentation, all in one place.
[07:37] <refuze2looze> and then WARNING: `aclocal-1.6' is needed, and you do not seem to have it handy on your... etc etc
[07:37] <bob2> refuze2looze: what are you trying to compile?
[07:38] <refuze2looze> a program that converts a CloneCD image file to .iso (ccd2iso)
[07:38] <misfit_toy> has anyone had any success with ndiswrapper and a linksys wpc54g? I have it installed per instructions, module loades, lights come on, but there is never connectivity?
[07:38] <Rumbo_> stupid question now: but apparantly the terminal does not load .profile script or the .bash_profile script
[07:38] <thoreauputic> debugger: ubuntu started last year - I guess such things will come with time and contributions from the community
[07:39] <Rumbo_> what file do you have to put your profile in then? (standard installed terminal)
[07:39] <allergique> I'm connected to network (update works well) but I can't surf web (with firefox and lynx)!!!What can be?
[07:39] <Rumbo_> allergique: you might need a proxy server set (firefox uses its own proxyservr setting)
[07:40] <bob2> Rumbo_: that's a terminal emulator issue
[07:40] <thoreauputic> Rumbo_: ~/.bashrc or /etc/bash.bashrc
[07:40] <Rumbo_> ok thank you
[07:40] <bob2> Rumbo_: those files are only sourced for login shells.  either put your stuff in bashrc like thoreauputic says, or tell your terminal to be a login shell (-ls for xterm)
[07:40] <allergique> i'm behind nat, but why I need proxy? with other distro I never need it
[07:41] <jpfarias> bob2: the problem is with my internal network
[07:41] <debugger> thoreauputic, I see. thx.
[07:41] <bob2> jpfarias: ?
[07:41] <jpfarias> bob2: it appears that if I open multiple connections I can download files faster