[02:17] <NightHawk877> Hello
[02:22] <hajour> hi NightHawk877 :)
[02:22] <NightHawk877> I'm running Ubuntu Natty on my desktop and it's better than Maverick.
[02:23] <hajour> a ok NightHawk877 :)
[02:24] <hajour> i have several programs on this one for testing some programs for accessibility but not have tried all out
[02:25] <NightHawk877> Yup. Everything is running great on this custom desktop with 3 gigs of DDR RAM, an AMD Athlon XP 3200 and a Geforce 6800GT. Unity runs great, but I don't like it.
[02:28] <hajour> o NightHawk877  why you don't like it then?
[02:29] <NightHawk877> It doesn't look good in my 24 inch monitor.
[02:29] <NightHawk877> It's better on my EEEPC.
[02:30] <NightHawk877> I use the standard GNOME interface on my desktop and 15.6 inch laptop.
[02:35] <NightHawk877> I've been using Ubuntu since Hardy was released. In fact I downloaded it the day it was released.
[03:04] <hajour> ok NightHawk877
[03:04] <hajour> i am not yet so long on ubuntu channels and only use ubuntu now almost 1 and half year
[03:09] <NightHawk877> I've been on Windows since the early 90's. I've only been using Gentoo and Slackware for the past 5 months.
[03:11] <NightHawk877> I have a 2.3 ghz Athlon XP, 3 gigs of DDR RAM, an MSI Kt880 Delta motherboard and a Geforce 6800GT along with two Hitachi 160 gig SATA hard drives.
[03:12] <NightHawk877> Those parts are from 2003-2005 and my computer runs Windows 7 like a dream.
[03:12] <hajour> honest say after i had let crash the whole pc system almost 20 years ago i not had touched a pc till 2007
[03:12] <hajour> on school i let crash the pc system
[03:13] <hajour> i have problems reading and just tried things out
[03:14] <hajour> after that i not have dared to touch a pc long time
[03:14] <hajour> NightHawk877, ^
[03:23] <NightHawk877> wow. Long time
[03:27] <hajour> well they where angry on me on school so i assumed i had done something very bad
[03:27] <hajour> but i need to go to sleep now a few hours its 4:27 night here
[03:28] <NightHawk877> yikes
[03:28] <hajour> i have a test at 9:00
[03:29] <hajour> need to leave home at 7:27 for to travel to there also :(
[03:29] <hajour> by bus
[03:29] <hajour> so talk to you other time again NightHawk877  :)
[03:29] <hajour> goodnight
[03:30] <hajour> goodnight all
[17:42] <pageypanda> :)


[10:06] <pleia2> jose: updated forums, lmk if there's anything else (I think we got you access to everything else...)
[10:06] <pleia2> jose: also, let me know your forums username and we'll get this bit sorted too


[00:08] <lifeless> huwshimi: is this you - http://huw.ugbox.net/ ?
[00:12] <huwshimi> lifeless: It was, a loooong time ago, yes
[00:12] <huwshimi> lifeless: How come?
[00:13] <lifeless> huwshimi: its linked from the bottom of http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/wiki/IPv6
[00:14] <huwshimi> lifeless: Oh yeah :)
[03:58] <LPCIBot> Project windmill-devel build #207: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 5 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-devel/207/
[07:23] <lifeless> stub: \o/ thanks for fix-releasing that bug
[07:23] <lifeless> stub: the followup branch with the journal etc is all landed and just passed bb
[07:23] <stub> One down...
[07:24] <stub> I'll be starting on the extension. Hopefully importance and the two booleans won't bloat things to impractical levels.
[07:24] <lifeless> stub: I think it ended up being a 54MB table
[07:24] <lifeless> stub: e.g. still quite compact
[07:25] <stub> How many discreet importances are there?
[07:26] <lifeless> unknown wishlist low medium high critical (+ perhaps 2 backwards compat ?)
[07:28] <stub> huh... we have some bugtasks with priority set
[07:29] <stub> Only 30k or so... must have been a bug in bugs
[07:29] <stub> Or is that settable via the API?
[07:29] <LPCIBot> Project windmill-db-devel build #383: STILL FAILING in 2 min 43 sec: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-db-devel/383/
[07:30] <lifeless> stub: unmigrated early-days stuff?
[07:30] <lifeless> I'm not sure python even knows about the column now
[07:30] <lifeless> stub: ah, your branches were targeted at db-devel
[07:58] <nigelb> Someday I need to get around to fixing that sorting. I've been holding it off.
[08:03] <jtv> Any reviewers in the house?  I'm pretty sure the topic is out of date!  https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/launchpad/pre-bug-791204-getPackageUploads-name-filter/+merge/64345
[08:04] <jtv> stub: are you ocr'ing today?
[08:09] <nigelb> Aww, the branding wiki linked in the email isn't accessible outside of Canonical :(
[08:10] <huwshimi> nigelb: Oh, apologies about that. I'll see if there's another link I can use
[08:11] <nigelb> huwshimi: Ah, thanks!
[08:13] <jtv> Anybody want to review an extensive but relatively straightforward lint branch?  https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/launchpad/more-pre-791204-lint/+merge/64365
[08:24] <stub> jtv: yo
[08:24] <jtv> stub: got time to review this one?  Not hard: https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/launchpad/more-pre-791204-lint/+merge/64365
[08:24] <jtv> and hi, btw :)
[08:25] <stub> If it is just lint, r=jtv would be fine. Or do you want another pair of eyeballs on it?
[08:25] <jtv> stub: there's a few places where I went beyond the entirely trivial.  Not far, but still.
[08:28] <stub> One place I see, and that is pretty obviously an improvement. r=stub
[08:29] <stub> Off for a quick bite to eat
[08:29] <jtv> thanks stub!
[08:30] <stub> np :)
[08:31] <LPCIBot> Project devel build #798: STILL FAILING in 5 hr 50 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/798/
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[08:49] <stub> Yay. http://pgreplay.projects.postgresql.org/ might let us actually create a DB benchmark.
[08:56] <LPCIBot> Project windmill-db-devel build #384: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 11 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-db-devel/384/
[09:00] <jml> huwshimi: hello
[09:00] <huwshimi> jml: Hey
[09:01] <jml> huwshimi: skype?
[09:01] <huwshimi> jml: Just logging in
[09:01] <huwshimi> jml: Just one sec
[09:02] <mrevell> Hello!
[09:03] <huwshimi> jml: back
[09:04] <jml> mrevell: hi
[09:15] <huwshimi> nigelb: Here is that link: https://dev.launchpad.net/Projects/Rebranding
[09:15] <nigelb> huwshimi: thanks :-)
[09:16] <nigelb> Can we introduce a bug into launchpad that will report the number of critical bugs against lauchpad as zero? ;-)
[09:22] <jml> nigelb: no.
[09:22] <nigelb> jml: Drat. I tried :-)
[09:42] <lifeless> nigelb: we could, but it would be a regression and so critical :P
[09:43] <lifeless> jml: btw, hi
[09:43] <jml> lifeless: hello
[09:43] <lifeless> stub: that looks interesting
[09:47] <lifeless> jml: hows today looking ?
[09:48] <nigelb> lifeless: Hehe
[09:49] <jml> huwshimi: http://lpqateam.canonical.com/doc/scope.html
[09:49] <jml> lifeless: otp
[09:54] <jml> lifeless: should have time for a call if you'd like one
[09:56] <lifeless> that would be nice
[10:01] <jml> lifeless: now? skype?
[10:05] <jml> lifeless: Since you're not answering. I'm going to go wash the dishes. Will be back soon.
[10:11]  * bigjools adds a bug tag subscription and rejoices
[10:11] <danilos> bigjools, nooooo, we didn't make it to be used!
[10:11] <bigjools> (ab)used
[10:14] <jml> back
[10:15] <lifeless> jml: yes, and yes
[10:30] <jtv> wgrant, StevenK: has either of you touched the Upgrade button on df's oneiric/+localpackagediffs lately?  Mind if I hit it in a few minutes?
[10:31] <StevenK> jtv: I seriously doubt it, since .au has a public holiday today.
[10:31] <jtv> that's never stopped you before
[10:32] <jtv> you geocontrarian bunch of workaholics
[11:32] <LPCIBot> Project windmill-devel build #208: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 8 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-devel/208/
[12:02] <jtv> Review needed!  https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/launchpad/pre-bug-791204-getPackageUploads-name-filter/+merge/64345
[12:16] <bigjools> jtv: looking at it now
[12:16] <jtv> thanks!
[12:16] <bigjools> jtv: are you doing full substring on the name_filter?
[12:16] <jtv> No, prefix.
[12:16] <bigjools> jtv: the old code did full substring
[12:16] <jtv> Didn't look like it.
[12:16] <bigjools>                 "sourcepackagename.name LIKE '%%' || %s || '%%'"
[12:17] <jtv> argh
[12:17] <bigjools> there's also an exact_match param in the old code
[12:17] <jtv> oh well, good thing I isolated that in a function.
[12:17] <jtv> Yes
[12:17] <jtv> I'll have to mimick that as well, for the script.
[12:17] <bigjools> not sure where that was used though
[12:17] <jtv> In the script.  :(
[12:17] <jtv> I just found it.
[12:17] <jtv> But it won't be hard, again because I isolated the match in a separate function.
[12:18] <bigjools> ok
[12:19] <jtv> Maybe I should tackle both of these issues together in a separate branch: instead of prefix match, give a choice of exact match or full substring match.
[12:19] <jtv> (There were some intricacies w.r.t. pattern escaping)
[12:20] <bigjools> well you'd be landing a regression...
[12:25] <jtv> No, because we're not actually calling that method yet.
[12:25] <jtv> Or at least not with that argument!
[12:25] <bigjools> oh you've not changed code to call it yet
[12:26] <jtv> No, because that requires both this branch and the other one that I'm currently writing an MP for.
[12:27] <bigjools> ok
[12:27] <bigjools> the substring query is going to cack up the performance something rotten
[12:28] <bigjools> jtv: also the old getQueueItems had some messed up ordering that was discarded when it did the union at the bottom
[12:28] <bigjools> I wonder if we can fix that
[12:29] <bigjools> but the problem is that the old query ordered on different things depending on the upload type
[12:33] <jtv> What kind of ordering do we want, from the user's perspective?
[12:33] <bigjools> not entirely sure tbh, but anything consistent will be better than the current code
[12:33] <bigjools> it's quite hard to order because of the different types of upload
[12:34] <jtv> Yeah… if it weren't for custom uploads, I'd say we clearly need to sort by package.
[12:34] <bigjools> sorting by packageupload.id is a good start, it just won't order the items that share the same PU
[12:34] <jtv> And then maybe have a separate more queue-oriented page for seeing how the work goes.
[12:35] <jtv> Isn't it just the builds that share a PU?
[12:37] <jtv> Anyway, it's probably not going to be _that_ hard to treat that as a separate issue?
[12:38] <bigjools> jtv: a single upload can have builds, sources AND custom files
[12:38] <bigjools> there's not many of those in practice any more, but the model allows it
[12:38] <jtv> Oh ewll
[12:38] <jtv> well
[12:39] <jtv> That's for a separate query though.
[12:40] <jtv> This query only returns the PUs.
[12:40] <jtv> When we display those, I have a feeling the sorting of items within a PU will work out without too much difficulty.
[12:46] <jtv> Oh this just had to happen to me, didn't it?
[12:46] <jtv> Diff against target:666 lines (+391/-50) 8 files modified (has conflicts)
[12:47] <jtv> Woe to you, oh earth and sea…
[12:47] <bigjools> jtv: reviewed, needs-fixing
[12:47] <jtv> thanks
[12:53] <bigjools> jtv: so FYI there's one PCJ with a PU in the dogfood DB now, since I synced an unknown package.  It'll be good QA fodder :)
[12:53]  * jtv cackles nastily
[13:13] <benji> /topichttps://dev.launchpad.net/ | On call reviewer:  benji | Critical bugs:209 - 0:[######=_]:256
[13:13] <benji> /topichttps://dev.launchpad.net/ | On call reviewer:  benji | Critical bugs:209 - 0:[######=_]:256
[13:13] <benji> pfft
[13:15] <danilos> benji, hey, hey, I've got a few branches awaiting review, the first one at https://code.launchpad.net/~danilo/launchpad/bug-772754-other-subscribers-lp-names/+merge/64178
[13:15] <benji> danilos: I'll take a look
[13:15] <danilos> benji, cool, thanks
[13:15] <lifeless> jml: sorry, cut the last bit off
[13:16] <lifeless> jml: was good talking; have a great day
[13:21] <LPCIBot> Project db-devel build #630: FAILURE in 5 hr 51 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/630/
[13:40] <rvba> benji: Hi! Could you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/launchpad/initseries-bug-795537/+merge/64231 ?
[13:40] <benji> rvba: sure
[13:40] <rvba> benji: Thanks!
[14:06] <LPCIBot> Project windmill-devel build #209: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 7 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-devel/209/
[14:23] <benji> danilos: I'm done with https://code.launchpad.net/~danilo/launchpad/bug-772754-other-subscribers-lp-names/+merge/64178
[14:24] <danilos> benji, cool, thanks, care to take on the next one: https://code.launchpad.net/~danilo/launchpad/bug-772754-other-subscribers-subscribers/+merge/64179? :)
[14:25] <benji> danilos: sure, you're second in line, but I don't think it'll be a very long wait
[14:25] <danilos> benji, great, thanks
[14:30] <benji> rvba: I'm done with https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/launchpad/initseries-bug-795537/+merge/64231
[14:30] <rvba> benji: Thanks!
[14:32] <jelmer> benji: Hi! Can I add another branch to your queue?
[14:32] <benji> jelmer: absolutely
[14:33] <jelmer> benji: Thanks :) MP is at  https://code.launchpad.net/~jelmer/launchpad/auto-upgrade/+merge/64398
[14:36] <allenap> benji: Can I push another merge proposal (shortish, some javascript) on your stack? https://code.launchpad.net/~allenap/launchpad/localpackagediffs-latest-comment-bug-746379/+merge/64334
[14:36] <benji> allenap: sure
[14:36] <allenap> Thanks :)
[15:40] <cr3> can someone explain the purpose of lazr.canonical.timeout.urlfetch when urllib2.urlopen already supports a timeout parameter?
[15:43] <benji> danilos and jelmer,done with your reviews
[15:44] <LPCIBot> Project parallel-test build #31: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 0 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/parallel-test/31/
[15:51] <danilos> benji, cool, thanks again
[15:51] <benji> np
[15:51] <jelmer> benji: thanks :)
[15:51] <benji> np
[16:00] <jml> sinzui: hi
[16:00] <sinzui> hi
[16:01] <jml> sinzui: would you like to have a call about disclosure?
[16:01] <sinzui> okay
[16:01] <LPCIBot> Project windmill-db-devel build #385: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 14 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-db-devel/385/
[16:01] <sinzui> jml: I am on mumble
[16:02] <jml> sinzui: mumble hates my guts. I have dared to change my hardware. Give me a sec.
[16:02] <sinzui> jml: I will also learn is mumble works for me on oneiric
[16:06] <benji> allenap: I'm done with https://code.launchpad.net/~allenap/launchpad/localpackagediffs-latest-comment-bug-746379/+merge/64334
[16:07] <allenap> benji: Thank you :)
[16:07] <benji> my pleasure
[16:08] <jcsackett_> sinzui: just saw bug 707234 bumped up. think i might tackle that today.
[16:08] <_mup_> Bug #707234: Ajax controls disabled on bugs with many tasks due to multiple redundant copies of person picker make_picker function in view-source:https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+bugs?advanced=1 <disclosure> <javascript> <person-picker> <regression> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/707234 >
[16:09] <jcsackett_> up for chatting about it when you're done talking with jml?
[16:14] <LPCIBot> Project devel build #799: STILL FAILING in 6 hr 2 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/799/
[16:24] <sinzui> jcsackett: I am available to chat now
[16:41] <cr3> nevermind my question about urlfetch, I suspect the reason is that the timeout parameter was only added to urllib2.urlopen in 2.6
[16:46] <bigjools> mrevell: you might find this interesting reading (then again it may put you to sleep) https://dev.launchpad.net/Soyuz/DerivativeDistributions
[16:48] <mrevell> bigjools, Thanks :)
[16:51] <LPCIBot> Project windmill-devel build #210: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 6 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-devel/210/
[16:55] <timrc> bigjools, Cody ran the complete test suite before landing my fix for #724740 and I had one failure... does that have to mean I introduced a regression?  If so it's causing some serious head scratching, because the failure seems completely unrelated to my change (and if there is a relationship, I'm scared :))
[16:55] <_mup_> Bug #724740: setting a ppa private cannot be done over the API <api> <oem-services> <ppa> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by timrchavez> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/724740 >
[16:55] <bigjools> timrc: can you paste the failure?  It's not unheard of to have random failures :/
[16:57] <timrc> bigjools, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/625962/
[16:57] <timrc> bigjools, I'll dig deeper into this, myself... it just struck me as odd as this being the one place of failure
[16:58] <bigjools> timrc: ah that does look related
[16:58] <bigjools> timrc: where's your merge proposal?
[16:59] <timrc> bigjools, https://code.launchpad.net/~timrchavez/launchpad/set_ppa_private_from_api_724740-2/+merge/63950
[17:00] <bigjools> timrc: if you run that test locally does it fail again?
[17:02] <timrc> bigjools, yes, when I run the test locally it fails
[17:06] <bigjools> timrc: if you revert your changes does it still fail?
[17:07] <allenap> benji: Got time for another shortish javascript branch? https://code.launchpad.net/~allenap/launchpad/localpackagediffs-commenting-bug-795573/+merge/64418
[17:07] <benji> allenap: sure
[17:08] <allenap> Thanks again :)
[17:10]  * jml has to run.
[17:10] <jml> see y'all later.
[17:10] <bigjools> timrc: I'm testing locally too
[17:12] <timrc> bigjools, testing now
[17:17] <timrc> bigjools, yeah, must be a regression caused by me :( test ran fine with my changes removed
[17:18] <bigjools> ok let's work out why
[17:19] <bigjools> and indeed it fails for me too
[17:21] <benji> allenap: I'm done with https://code.launchpad.net/~allenap/launchpad/localpackagediffs-commenting-bug-795573/+merge/64418
[17:22] <allenap> Thanks benji.
[17:48] <cr3> is there a naming convention for urls in the web and webservice interfaces for referring to sets and individual elements within sets, eg plural for the former (/foos) and singular for the latter (/foo/1)
[17:51] <bigjools> good question
[17:52] <cr3> what I'm observing from the apidoc is plural all the way, eg /foos and /foos/1 taking my above example. I can understand that motivation for people playing with urls manually, so removing /1 from the latter would immediately resolve into a working url
[17:53] <cr3> I would appreciate some confirmation whether I'm observing a legacy decision or one that still holds today
[18:00] <bigjools> timrc: I can see where that test is failing but I can't work out why
[18:00] <bigjools> timrc: IArchiveSet.getArchivesForDistribution() is not returning the copy_archive created at the top of the test
[18:00] <bigjools> so the script that needs it doesn't do anything
[18:01] <bigjools> timrc: I have to go now, maybe someone else can help you or grab wgrant when he's around later in your day
[18:01] <bigjools> cr3: I think /foos is a good pattern
[18:01] <sinzui> launchpad tells me that it cannot import subunit using python 2.6 when running on oneiric :(
[18:01] <bigjools> the singular is up for debate
[18:02] <bigjools> it depends on the domain
[18:02] <timrc> bigjools, alrighty... thanks for the help
[18:02] <bigjools> timrc: you're welcome.  Good luck.
[18:03] <cr3> bigjools: implying /foos/1 for an individual element under /foos, right?
[18:04] <bigjools> cr3: well one example is /builders and /builders/<builder>
[18:04] <cr3> bigjools: I just tried accessing /people/cr3 on launchpad, which redirects me to /~cr3 whereas /person/cr3 asks me if I lost somthing :)
[18:04]  * bigjools has to run for the day
[18:05] <bigjools> there you go thenb
[18:05] <bigjools> good night all
[18:08] <mrevell> Good night my comrades.
[19:01] <Ursinha> matsubara: hi :) did you file bugs for any of your dd exploratory testing notes?
[19:04] <matsubara> Ursinha, not yet
[19:06] <LPCIBot> Project windmill-devel build #211: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 7 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-devel/211/
[19:07] <abentley> benji: could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/ppa-api-errors/+merge/64425 ?
[19:07] <benji> abentley: sure
[19:11] <bdmurray> I'm having an issue running 'make schema' on my launchpad dev system
[19:12] <bdmurray> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/626039/
[19:16] <benji> abentley: I'm done with https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/ppa-api-errors/+merge/64425 I had one thought that you might want to consider.
[19:16] <abentley> benji: ?
[19:17] <benji> abentley: I don't understand what you don't understand. :)
[19:17] <abentley> benji: You said there was something I might want to consider.  I was saying "Hmmm?  Go on..."
[19:17] <benji> ah, it's in a comment on the MP
[19:17] <abentley> benji: BadRequest is only emitted for status 400 AFAIK.
[19:20] <benji> abentley: since the test docstring explicityly says 400, it would be good to actually test for that, and I'm paranoid enough to expect that same message to one day be given a different status code
[19:22] <abentley> benji: Very well, I'll change the test to say "Bad Request".
[19:22] <benji> k
[19:23] <abentley> benji: I submit that if you're afraid standards bodies are out to get you, you truly are paranoid.
[19:24] <benji> heh; it's more that the people writing the software are fallible
[19:31] <abentley> benji: I think that if I tested the status code of BadRequest, I'd be violating the principle of "Test only one thing", because I'd be testing the behaviour of lazr.restfulclient.
[19:32] <benji> abentley: I'd buy that.
[19:56] <bac> hi james_w, i need to create a new test data suite for archiveuploader.  do you know how to do that, specifically working out getting them properly signed?
[19:59] <bac> abentley, flacoste: ^^
[20:00] <flacoste> bac: what do you want to do exactly?
[20:00] <bac> flacoste: create a test for a maintainer with a bad email address (bug 519857)
[20:00] <_mup_> Bug #519857: Upload processor OOPSes with bad email addresses <lp-soyuz> <oops> <soyuz-upload> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by bac> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/519857 >
[20:00] <flacoste> benji: if you have time, could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~flacoste/launchpad/bug-781993-1/+merge/64258 pretty please?
[20:01] <bac> flacoste: so i figure i need to create a new suite, with a bad maintainer or Changed-by email address...but it has to be properly signed
[20:01] <benji> flacoste: sure
[20:01] <flacoste> thanks benji
[20:02] <flacoste> bac: why don't you write this as a unit test to safe_fix_maintainer
[20:02] <flacoste> bac: which operates on a hash
[20:02] <flacoste> err, dictionary
[20:02]  * flacoste again showed he's a former perl hacker
[20:02] <bac> flacoste: i'll look into that.  thanks.
[20:04] <flacoste> bac: if you want to go end-to-end, i think there are probably some helper method in soyuz for that, but would be best to ask bigjools, StevenK or wgrant about it
[20:04] <bac> flacoste: actually, no.  i was intending for safe_fix_maintainer to still raise the same error, but i'd just handle it in process
[20:04] <bac> flacoste: which is why i wanted an end-to-end test
[20:05] <bac> and it looked like the way things are done in test_uploadprocessor.py is to create novel suites...
[20:07] <james_w> bac, from what I remember the checking of real packages tends to operate on packages contained in the LP source tree
[20:10] <flacoste> which is more a case of missing test architecture i think
[20:10] <flacoste> but i may be mistaken
[20:10] <flacoste> bac: you want to make the fix in processChanges?
[20:10] <bac> james_w: what i think i need to do is in lib/lp/archiveuploader/tests/data/suite create a new suite, say, bar_1.0-1_bad_maintainer_email and in it change bar_1.0-1_source.changes to futz with the maintainer or changed-by email address to invoke the failure.  but when i do that i need to sign that file
[20:10] <LPCIBot> Project db-devel build #631: STILL FAILING in 5 hr 39 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/631/
[20:11] <bac> flacoste: i was intending something like http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/626072/
[20:11] <LPCIBot> Project parallel-test build #32: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 5 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/parallel-test/32/
[20:12] <james_w> flacoste, there's no support in the test suite for signing packages that I know of, which is why all of those are already signed
[20:13] <bac> james_w, flacoste: right, so that's what i'm trying to figure out.  i see a secring.gpg but it doesn't seem to have in it what i need.  so i'm trying to figure out where the keys are and perhaps some instructions...
[20:13] <james_w> bac, ah, got it
[20:13] <bac> james_w: sorry it was so circuitous
[20:13] <james_w> I've never had to do it myself
[20:14] <james_w> so I can't help you I'm afraid
[20:14] <bac> james_w: ah, right then.  of the people awake you seemed like the best candidate
[20:14] <bac> james_w: thanks anway!
[20:15] <benji> flacoste: I'm done with https://code.launchpad.net/~allenap/launchpad/initialise-to-initialize/+merge/64121
[20:15] <bac> flacoste: perhaps i should put this aside until i can talk to bigjools
[20:15] <allenap> benji: EWRONGURL I suspect.
[20:15] <benji> pfft!
[20:15] <flacoste> bac: yeah, probably a good idea
[20:16] <benji> allenap: the curse of having multiple tabs open at once
[20:16] <allenap> benji: But thanks for reviewing that one :)
[20:19] <benji> flacoste: I actually meant that I'm done with this https://code.launchpad.net/~flacoste/launchpad/bug-781993-1/+merge/64258 ;)
[20:19] <flacoste> benji: ah, cool, thanks!
[20:24] <benji> allenap: I just had a thought about your branch that I want to check out, so if you're panning on jumping on the merge, hold off for one sec
[20:25] <allenap> benji: Sure.
[20:29] <LPCIBot> Project windmill-db-devel build #386: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 13 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-db-devel/386/
[20:31] <benji> allenap: ok, we're good, my negative thought didn't pan out (I was concerned that one or more symbols exposed by the web service might have been changed)
[20:32] <allenap> benji: Thanks for thinking of it and checking :)
[20:45] <lifeless> flacoste: this explains a lot :P
[20:45] <flacoste> lifeless: ???
[20:46] <lifeless> 07:02  * flacoste again showed he's a former perl hacker
[20:46] <lifeless> :P
[20:46] <flacoste> lol
[20:57] <LPCIBot> Project windmill-devel build #212: STILL FAILING in 47 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-devel/212/
[20:58] <flacoste> lifeless: call time?
[20:59] <lifeless> yup
[21:13] <poolie> hi flacoste, lifeless
[21:28] <bdmurray> I sorted out my question
[21:29] <cr3> might there be an interface for accessing oops reports? I'm wondering what might be wrong with this one: OOPS-1990AP106
[21:39] <LPCIBot> Yippie, build fixed!
[21:39] <LPCIBot> Project devel build #800: FIXED in 5 hr 24 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/800/
[21:42] <LPCIBot> Project windmill-devel build #213: STILL FAILING in 44 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-devel/213/
[22:25] <LPCIBot> Project windmill-devel build #214: STILL FAILING in 42 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-devel/214/
[23:22] <lifeless> o/ poolie
[23:43] <lifeless> sinzui: Was your team touching on bug 66552 ? I think its a dupe or something
[23:43] <_mup_> Bug #66552: Unhelpful error when reporting bug with non-existent package entered and "I don't know" chosen <lp-bugs> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/66552 >
[23:56] <bdmurray> I'm now getting an error trying to run most tests
[23:56] <bdmurray> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/626204/
[23:57] <lifeless> fun


[00:06] <RoyK> deluge?
[00:19] <HSaka> RoyK, yeah deluge.
[00:19] <HSaka> for torrent
[00:19] <xvicarious> Hello, I was wondering I could get some help with some problems I'm having getting software set up on Ubuntu Server 12.04
[00:20] <xvicarious> I used tasksel to attempt to install lamp-server but configuration of mysql-server failed.  This is a brand new install fresh of 12.04.  I tried it on my old install and i also ran into the same problem
[00:20] <xvicarious> I've searched far and wide of the internet for solutions to this problem, all people have the same (or similar problem) but solutions that have worked for them don't seem to work for me.
[00:21] <xvicarious> The MySQL admin password doesn't want to set, and the mysql service fails to start
[00:32] <xvicarious> no?
[00:34] <sarnold> xvicarious: ah, sorry, I kept expecting a more specific error or something :)
[00:35] <xvicarious> Oh I wish you said.  Well...
[00:35] <sarnold> just got distracted elsewhere while waiting, hehe :)
[00:36] <xvicarious> Investigating trying to find someting specific now.
[00:36] <xvicarious> Is there a pastebin sort of rule here?  Or can I post this? its like 4 lines.
[00:36] <xvicarious> 6
[00:37] <sarnold> about three feels like a reasonable tradeoff point.. six, please pastebin :)
[00:37] <xvicarious> Okay
[00:38] <xvicarious> This is when I try to finish configuring with apt-get (after using tasksel to install lamp): http://pastebin.com/NCef9gRe
[00:39] <sarnold> xvicarious: check /var/log/syslog or /var/log/mysql.log or /var/log/mysql/error.log for more information..
[00:39] <xvicarious> Very well.
[00:41] <xvicarious> /var/log/syslog : http://pastebin.com/1xbkudy5
[00:42] <sarnold> aha :)
[00:43] <xvicarious> And finally /var/log/mysql/error.log : http://pastebin.com/VaevjRSh
[00:46] <xvicarious> aha?
[00:46] <sarnold> xvicarious: intersting, the second paste seems to show that the innodb storage engine couldn't allocate memory; if the debug logs are correct, it couldn't get 128 megs?
[00:47] <xvicarious> No... I have a chunk with 128mb total memory.
[00:48] <sarnold> xvicarious: you may need to fiddle with your mysql configuration to request less memory
[00:49] <xvicarious> What configuration file would that be, and what would you suggest?  I have um... 4mb left apparently... So I assume it is a no-go?
[00:51] <sarnold> xvicarious: hrm, /etc/mysql/my.conf looks like one starting point, though it appears to include others, so you miht have to poke around in there a little bit to find enough memory tweakable settings to turn down
[00:52] <xvicarious> This seems troublesome
[00:53] <sarnold> yeah. the default config obviously assumes a lot more than 128 megs of memory :)
[00:54] <xvicarious> Its frustrating because my friend used to host me, but the person who ran the vps thing just up and disappeared
[00:56] <sarnold> I've got some mysql tests running in a VM at the moment, it looks like 256 would go a long way towards making it usable
[00:58] <xvicarious> Sadly I don't quite have the money at the moment for upgrading... I guess it isn't bad since this is a free account I have this on. Thanks for the help though.
[01:03] <sarnold> xvicarious: the amazon aws t1.micro provides 600-ish megs of memory: http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/concepts_micro_instances.html
[01:04] <sarnold> xvicarious: t1.micro is intended for mostly-idle machines, so it might not be a great fit for you, but it can be free, or very cheap: http://aws.amazon.com/free/faqs/
[01:05] <sarnold> ahh, free for just a year. but still, not bad.. :)
[01:05] <patdk-lap> heh, I often see t1.micro pause for 30seconds at a time
[01:05] <sarnold> patdk-lap: ouch
[01:06] <patdk-lap> ya, nothing like watching vmstat
[01:06] <xvicarious> Meh, I'm at school right now.  But I'm transfering out of here to somehwere closer to home and I have a job back there.
[01:06] <patdk-lap> seeing steal at 100% for 30seconds when it start responding again
[01:06] <sarnold> I really only used my t1.micro as a shell for an hour here and an hour there.. nothing extensive. I've heard the CPU penalties are steep, but ... 30 seconds? ouch.
[01:06] <xvicarious> So when I get back to my job I'll upgrade my chunk.
[01:07] <sarnold> of course I had a few larger instances run for a few hours and the bill came to -- wait for it -- $0.43. I didn't bother expensing it. :) hehe
[01:07] <xvicarious> sarnold your username is quite a reminder of a teacher I had in my senior year of high school lol.
[01:07] <patdk-lap> sarnold, heh, I have run some huge ones, cost me like $10
[01:08] <patdk-lap> can't remember exactly what I was testing on them
[01:08] <sarnold> is he the bugger that took the 'sarnold' launchpad username? :)
[01:08] <sarnold> patdk-lap: .. course a buddy left some huge hadoop machines running for a month, it was in the thousands...
[01:08] <xvicarious> Gosh I don't know. He really didn't seem like the computer type.
[01:09] <patdk-lap> ya, my friend loved to load up static websites on t1.micro
[01:09] <patdk-lap> then he kept wondering why it would never load, and asked me to look into it :)
[01:09] <sarnold> *snort*
[01:10] <patdk-lap> t1.micro being cheaper than s3 webhosting :)
[01:10] <ia0001> why the heck is flash not working
[01:10] <ia0001> im going to go insane
[01:10] <patdk-lap> why would flash ever work?
[01:10] <ia0001> because its the same freking thing
[01:10] <patdk-lap> they stopped making flash a long time ago
[01:10] <ia0001> ubuntu-dekstop
[01:10] <ia0001> yeah it stoppe being supported or something?
[01:11] <ia0001> So your saying there no flash for server 12.04 LTS
[01:11] <patdk-lap> I dunno it was ever supported
[01:11] <ia0001> ubuntu-server
[01:11] <xvicarious> If it weren't for um... A certain media... I wouldn't have flash installed. lol
[01:11] <patdk-lap> but adobe stopped making flash for everything, except windows, over a year ago
[01:12] <ia0001> I had ubuntu-server installed on my old computer I thought it was the same thing and I thought it worked
[01:12] <patdk-lap> ia0001, a lot of the times I have flash and nvidia issues
[01:12] <sarnold> ia0001: what bug number?
[01:12]  * patdk-lap can't think of anything that uses flash
[01:12] <sarnold> patdk-lap: at least they still provide security fixes... thank goodness
[01:13] <sarnold> patdk-lap: youtubs
[01:13] <ia0001> I mean theres no bug
[01:13] <ia0001> I mean it just doenst work
[01:13] <sarnold> ia0001: ah. you should file one :)
[01:13] <ia0001> I have tried manually installing flash
[01:13] <patdk-lap> sarnold, I always use mp4 on youtube, no flash needed
[01:13] <xvicarious> patdk-lap certain media websites... That have media.
[01:13] <sarnold> patdk-lap: oooh? :)
[01:13] <xvicarious> "media"
[01:13] <ia0001> how do you convert youtube to mp4?
[01:13] <patdk-lap> xvicarious, screw them :)
[01:13] <patdk-lap> but then, I won't do media
[01:13] <patdk-lap> ia0001, you select mp4
[01:14] <xvicarious> Hehe screw.
[03:38] <ScottK> jamespage: FYI: http://rb.doesntexist.org/blog//posts/lack_of_cooperation_from_ubuntu/
[03:38] <ScottK> rbasak: ^^^ you too.
[03:46] <Humatiel> do you need to be registered to remain in this channel?
[03:53] <ScottK> no
[04:58] <jetole> Hey guys. I was just reading about a site and the architecture they designed. They mentioned they do 15GB of logs per hour. How does someone set up logging servers to handle that?
[04:59] <jetole> I mean how do you actually aechitect logging servers for that capacity?
[05:10] <jamespage> ScottK, on my list - that will be fed back to debian - in direct contact with maintainer
[05:11] <ScottK> jamespage: OK.  You might comment on the blog post then.  I wanted to make sure you were aware.  That was on Planet Debian.
[05:13] <qman__> jetole, by deciding how far back you need logs and installing a log server with the appropriate terabytes of disk space
[05:14] <qman__> those numbers are probably also uncrompressed, log data is generally very compressible
[05:28] <jetole> qman__: so what if I need log server HA. They mention using syslog-ng but just in general, what would you recommend for logging HA? Should I stick it behind a load balancer with a gfs2 / drbd or is there a better means
[05:28] <jetole> I don't like drbd for a lot of things because I hate the limit on the number of nodes it can handle
[05:29] <jamespage> ScottK, actually that post really annoys me - I've been discussing stuff with the MongoDB maintainer in Debian esp around the linking with openssl licensing issues which I think I now have a resolution on with upstream which both distros can benefit from
[05:29] <ScottK> I thought it might.
[07:07] <jamespage> jetole, syslog-ng has a mongodb module that you might find useful as a backend for log storage
[07:48] <jetole> jamespage: thanks
[07:48] <jamespage> jetole, might do what you want - clients can send logs direct to mongodb which can be  spanned across multiple servers.
[07:49] <jetole> jamespage: ah that's cool. I hadn't looked yet but I was assuming you meant between multiple logging servers
[07:50] <jetole> something else. I run cacti on a network but I am looking for a system where I can create graphs from multiple sources. Specifically we multiple haproxy load balancers and I want to collect the log data into one graph for request counting and graphing i.e. parsing the logs on lb1 and lb2 to create a single graph showing web traffic throughput
[07:51] <jetole> does anything come to mind on how I should / could do this?
[07:53] <jamespage> jetole, you could probably do something like that with ganglia
[07:54] <jamespage> hmm - well it would show you the network traffic at least
[07:55] <jetole> yeah
[07:56] <jetole> I started to read about a few different graphing solutions the other night but didn't get too in depth
[07:56] <jetole> maybe I'll write something since haproxy can and in my case logs to syslog which can be centralized
[08:31] <jetole> Is there any common way to run a syslog server that a client can connect to so that it can view output? I'm trying to think of a multi node connect model and contemplating via ssh but seems like a bit too much
[09:23] <gustav> Hi. Trying to install postgresql on 12.04. It's not starting up and it doesn't have /etc/postgresql. I installed postgresql and postgresql-contrib.
[09:23] <gustav> What am I doing wrong?
[09:33] <gustav> How do I start postgresql?
[09:34] <gustav> Ok, nevermind.
[12:27] <mindcode> hi, i wrote an smtp server in c, the server just has to revice any email sent on my domain, but there is a problem: it works fine some provider like arcor, and google. they connect to my smtp server (port 25), sending "HELO" and all the rest.. i got that email... but other servers like gmx just conencts to my server and then nothing happens... no "EHLO" or "HELO"... just nothing ... after sevral minutes i got the QUIT command from
[12:27] <mindcode> the provider or i got spammed with \n charakters.. what is the problem?
[17:46] <xnox> jamespage: rbasak: just posted this on debian planet http://blog.surgut.co.uk/2013/04/ftbfs-fixes-and-other-patches-available.html pointing out that _all_ debian package maintainers should check and apply ubuntu patches from debian PTS.
[19:37] <Googol30> While attempting to view the contents of /etc/acpid/event using "sudo vim /etc/acpid/event", it says nothing but "Permission Denied".  Google only suggests workarounds for pipes, so I came here.
[19:38] <Googol30> I've changed the file permissions, owner, and group in an attempt to view the file, but it still says "Permission Denied"
[19:39] <Googol30> Additionally, in my Googling, I've come across suggestions to use "sudoedit" and "sudo -e", but both commands return "resource busy" errors.
[19:47] <Googol30> Any questions, comments, ideas, suggestions?
[19:56] <Googol30> Is anyone even at their computer?
[20:03] <Googol30> Hello? Is anyone here?
[20:05] <Googol30> Can I even get a response from ubottu?
[20:06] <Googol30> If noone is going to help me here, can someone redirect me to somewhere I _can_ get help?
[20:45] <guntbert> Googol30: I don't have that directory on my machines. please show us the output of sudo ls -l /etc/acpid/event
[20:48] <jdrab> Googol30: btw what ubuntu release are you running?
[20:56] <Googol30> jdrab: I'm running Ubuntu Server 12.04.2.
[20:57] <Googol30> guntbert: And I meant "/proc/acpi/event"
[21:00] <yeats> Googol30: what's your end goal?  why are you trying to view that file?
[21:01] <yeats> Googol30: this thread may help: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=13900
[21:10] <guntbert> Googol30: files under /proc are no normal files. You can (sometimes) read them via   cat   or   less, but you certainly cannot edit the via vim. They are just a way to communicate with the kernel
[21:49] <patdk-lap> guntbert, sometimes you can edit them with vim
[22:38] <Arrick> How does one access the logs of this channel? I am looking for an answer that was given to me yesterday, so I dont have to repeat my questions...
[22:41] <shauno> Arrick: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/04/19/%23ubuntu-server.html
[22:41] <Arrick> I am trying to setup a webserver which has a functional outbound email... I have performed "sudo apt-get install mailutils" and also "sudo apt-get install postfix" and have those installed, but I cant for the life of me figure out why the server cant send out an email using "echo "test" | mail email@address.com(started my server build from scratch this afternoon, due to other people messing it up)
[22:43] <ScottK> Arrick: The Ubuntu server guide has good instructions on setting up a mail server.  I'd recommend following that.  There's a link in the channel topic.
[22:50] <Arrick> Yeah, I'm following the guide, however the system is not mailing out like it did yesterday (or at all, and I think its because of the firewall)
[22:54] <Quest> is this a full poe 48 port switch or half poe (24 port). how do i know http://www.amazon.com/Cisco-SG200-50P-Ethernet-Mini-GBIC-Warranty/dp/B004GHMU6A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1366497510&sr=8-1&keywords=cisco+sg200+48+poe   ?
[22:54] <Arrick> Ok, I need the following all installed on a server; Apache 2, PHP 5.3.2 minimum, PHP modules: iconv, ctype, zip, simplexml, spl, pcre, dom, xml, json, mbstring, openssl, tokenizer, xmlrpc, soap, gd, intl, and Mysql 5.025 or higher.... What would be the easiest way to install all of these at once? (I am not normally a *nix guy, so I need some refreshing)
[22:57] <Arrick> quest, here is the tigerdirect same thing, http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7152554 and it says it is 24
[23:00] <Quest> while purchase. what keywords to look while reading the box pack?
[23:01] <Quest> $800 ts so costly? normal switchs cost about how much for 50 ports non-poe?
[23:03] <Arrick> Quest, If you are looking at Cisco gear, your best answers will probably come from ##cisco, and you might be able to get some used gear and save some money.
[23:03] <Quest> Arrick,  how much cost would be of  a dell swtich of similer specs?
[23:03] <genii-around> Cisco has a refurb program as well
[23:04] <Quest> genii-around,  ^?
[23:05] <Arrick> I dont know Quest I tend to stick with the 2960S POE switches across the board.
[23:05] <genii-around> Quest: http://www.cisco.com/web/ordering/ciscocapital/refurbished/index.html
[23:05] <Arrick> (cisco)
[23:05] <genii-around> Much cheaper than new
[23:05] <Quest> k
[23:06] <Quest> can you give a rough idea on how much will a dell or other switch would be how much cheaper?
[23:07] <Arrick> about half...  but... you definately get what you pay for.
[23:07] <genii-around> Whatever Cisco device you buy, if buy similar from somewhere else, it's typically half to two-thirds the price
[23:08] <Quest> hm
[23:08] <Arrick> hey, is php 5.3.10 higher than 5.3.2 ?
[23:08] <Quest> if a cisco peo switch of 48 port is 800 dollars than a normal cisco non-poe switch should by roughly 100 dollars?
[23:08] <Arrick> Im guessing yes, but I dont want to speak out of turns.
[23:09] <Quest> Arrick,  yes
[23:09] <Arrick> nope.... 400_
[23:09] <Quest> oh
[23:09] <genii-around> Quest: No, not 100... more like 400-600
[23:09] <Quest> genii-around,  hm
[23:09] <Arrick> actually poe - non-poe doesnt change the price but by about 100 lower for non-poe
[23:10] <Quest> genii-around,  what would a 12 port poe cisco swithc cost then?
[23:10] <Arrick> 4-500
[23:10] <genii-around> Quest:^
[23:10] <Arrick> depending on the model and sla you need
[23:10] <Quest> genii-around,  if 12 port poe is cheaper. I would buy 4 such switchs and combine them
[23:11] <Quest> Arrick,  you meant 400 - 500 . right?
[23:11] <Arrick> why? you have 4 points of failure at that point.
[23:11] <Arrick> correct.
[23:11] <Quest> no
[23:11] <Quest> we want 40 peoS
[23:11] <Quest> for 40 cisco phones for voip
[23:11] <Arrick> then just get a 48 port 2960s and be done with it
[23:12] <Arrick> then you have 8 ports for scalability
[23:12] <Quest> 8 port scalability?
[23:12] <genii-around> You can find second-hand Catalyst on ebay/amazon for dirt cheap
[23:12] <Arrick> http://www.voiplink.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Cisco-WS-C2960-48TT-L
[23:12] <Arrick> something like that
[23:12] <Quest> hm
[23:13] <Arrick> look for a used one
[23:13] <Arrick> dont forget to buy the module you need for the uplink though.
[23:13] <Quest> hm
[23:14] <Arrick> I only buy new cisco, and FROM cisco or CDW-G (Government) so that my SLA is in order from the beginning.
[23:14] <Quest>  $1,449.95 hm.
[23:14] <genii-around> You can also buy poe injectors separate, etc
[23:14] <Arrick> thats not bad, other ones cost upwards of 4500
[23:14] <Quest> second hand would be of  half the price
[23:14] <Arrick> and injectors are about 75-90 each (I just had to buy 2 for a site)
[23:14] <Quest> Arrick,  genii-around  i hope that model is full poe. and not half poe
[23:15] <Arrick> the on I just posted in full poe
[23:15] <Arrick> is/in
[23:15] <Quest> great
[23:16] <genii-around> Oops! I forgot faceoff is just happened....!
[23:16]  * genii-around runs away to watch hockey
[23:16] <Arrick> of course, you also have to think of your phones.. .some of the newer ones out ther do gigabit as well, so you want the more expensive ones.
[23:17] <Quest> recently our netadmin ran. we discovered that the phones connected on a del poe switch works on the cisco switch too but the phones (cisco) connected to a cisco switch do not even power ONNs if attached to the dell switch. i dont have specs atm though.
[23:17] <shauno> at the other end, some are only 7W so can get away with cisco's funky 'half' poe (where they can do, eg, 48x7W or 24x14W, but not the whole 14W on all 48)
[23:18] <Quest> Arrick,  i wonder why could that be. i mean where to start investigation
[23:19] <Arrick> check to see if POE is turned on on the cisco switch (Its either all or nothing)... Also, are there other dell switches in the network somewhere?
[23:20] <Quest> some phones run ok on that cisco switch. so poe is onn
[23:20] <Arrick> some of the older switches (iirc) had a add-on power supply for poe as well.
[23:20] <Arrick> you could have burned ports.
[23:21] <Quest> Arrick,  only one 48 half poe dell switch , one non-poe cisco, one half poe cisco
[23:21] <Quest> Arrick,  some phones are already working on those ports.
[23:21] <Arrick> I have found that a dell/cisco mix or a hp/cisco mix doesnt play well.
[23:21] <Quest> Arrick,  i think theres some problem with compatibilty
[23:21] <Quest> hm
[23:22] <Quest> some one added.
 Quest: there are two poe standards
 Quest: cisco inline power (pre-standard) , and 802.1af
[23:23] <shauno> right.  newer switches will do both, older might only do pre-standard.  and just to mess it up, there's phones that'll do both, or only one.  so if you get a phone that only does standard, and a switch that only does pre-standard, it's messy
[23:24] <Arrick> yep
[23:24] <Arrick> it sucks to high heaven.
[23:24] <Quest> hm
[23:25] <Quest> Arrick,  shauno  so he must have altered/configured the phones or the swithcs     or both?
[23:25] <Arrick> my department has all 7940s, 7960's and 7912s, but the rest of the network has all the new gigabit video phones with the thin client addon..
[23:25] <Arrick> shauno, there is nothing like walking into a closet full of non-poe switches and seeing an umbrella of poe bricks hanging from hooks on the ceiling of the switch room.
[23:26] <shauno> that bit I couldn't tell you.  I come from the other side, where we have other poe equipment on the switches.  which is where you hit cisco's 'half-poe' stuff because they use cisco's protocol to negotiate
[23:26] <Arrick> yep
[23:26] <Quest>  wait. i can use none-poe swithc and use power adapters for phones?
[23:26] <Arrick> yes
[23:26] <shauno> so you can stick 48 7W phones on a half-poe switch, but not 48 of our own devices
[23:26] <Quest>  that will be cheaper for us as poe and non-poe swtichs are half in price
[23:26] <Arrick> to the tune of 75-90 per phone
[23:27] <shauno> 40*75 is 3000, that can eat the difference quickly
[23:27] <Arrick> yep
[23:28] <Arrick> even if you have 15 phones you need to inject, its more than a single 48 port poe switch thats full poe
[23:29] <Arrick> however... I need to get back on task,....
[23:29] <Arrick> Ok, I have installed Mysql, Apache2, and PHP5... I need to add some modules into php, how do I do that?
[23:29] <Quest> Arrick,  shauno  thanks!
[23:29] <Quest> reat help
[23:29] <Arrick> specifically, these modules, iconv ctype zip simplexml spl pcre dom, xml, json, mbstring, openssl, tokenizer, xmlrpc, soap, gd, intl
[23:38] <Quest> are power injectors cheaper than if i buy a 48 poe switch?
[23:39] <Quest>  and whats a "magic jack?


[00:16] <SpamapS> zhilbert: you need 2 jobs to do that
[00:17] <SpamapS> zhilbert: one to iterate over the files in the dir, the other to be the actually running instances
[02:30] <zhilbert> Thanks SpamapS.  I've got that part working. I think my issues are with daemon not with upstart.
[16:31] <shaz_> hey, so I have a python daemon based on: http://www.jejik.com/articles/2007/02/a_simple_unix_linux_daemon_in_python/
[16:32] <shaz_> and the following upstart script
[16:32] <shaz_> http://pastebin.com/qvkJqAuC
[16:33] <shaz_> but it is hanging when i start/stop
[16:33] <shaz_> i've tried with combinations of expect /fork/daemon but nothing seems to work
[16:33] <shaz_> any ideas?
[16:35] <shaz_> i have checked the command works normally in the terminal
[16:35] <shaz_> so I am thinking its something to do with my upstart config
[16:38] <SpamapS> shaz_: that upstart config should return as soon as python is executed
[16:38] <SpamapS> shaz_: rather, 'starting' that upstart job
[16:39] <SpamapS> shaz_: however, the daemonize code you posted wants 'expect daemon'
[16:40] <SpamapS> shaz_: can you be more clear when you say "it is hanging" ?
[16:40] <shaz_> I mean it doesn't ever return
[16:41] <shaz_> as if you were running the blocking script in the terminal
[16:41] <shaz_> i've just tried it with expect daemon
[16:41] <shaz_> and it still does the same
[16:42] <shaz_> I am doing all of this over ssh, if that makes a difference
[16:42] <SpamapS> shaz_: it does not make a difference no
[16:44] <SpamapS> shaz_: can you pastebin the output of 'strace -e trace=process -f /home/ubuntu/LoudPopcorn/venv/bin/python /home/ubuntu/LoudPopcorn/TwitterClient/streaming.py' ?
[16:45] <shaz_> sure, give me a sec
[16:46] <shaz_> http://pastebin.com/3NbCfpdF
[16:46] <SpamapS> shaz_: for the record, the upstart job you pasted makes it nearly impossible for 'start ...' to block.. because upstart will consider the job started immediately upon executing python
[16:46] <SpamapS> shaz_: any chance you have a 'start on starting that-jobs-name' in some other job that blocks?
[16:47] <shaz_> no i don't have that in any other scripts
[16:49] <SpamapS> shaz_: interesting. I think virtualenv may make using 'expect ...' impossible because of all the stuff it has to fork and exec first
[16:49] <SpamapS> shaz_: in this case, I'd suggest having a --nodaemonize mode for your code, and just let upstart manage it in the foreground
[16:50] <SpamapS> shaz_: also its worth noting that you need a 'setgid ubuntu' also..
[16:50] <shaz_> ok, i will give that a go.
[16:50] <shaz_> ok
[16:50] <SpamapS> shaz_: also its worth nothing that if this is a cloud instance, you should *NOT* run code as ubuntu (it has sudo w/o password)
[16:56] <shaz_> um, same thing when i run without daemon
[16:56] <shaz_> (without expect daemon)
[17:55] <SpamapS> shaz_: try 'sudo initctl log-priority info' ... note the last line in syslog, and then run the 'start' and then pastebin the lines produced by 'init:' in syslog


[00:59] <daniel_> i would like to upgrade from kubuntu 10.04LTS to the latest alpha of Kubuntu 10.10.
[01:01] <daniel_> i dont mind using buggy software and helping the ubuntu/kubuntu communities.
[01:03] <daniel_> how can i e able to upgrade to maverick from kubuntu 10.04LTS without downloading an .iso?
[01:07] <yofel> daniel_: make sure that update manager doesn't only show LTS release upgrades (somewhere in software sources) and then use 'sudo update-manager -d' in a terminal. It should show Maverick as available then.
[01:17] <daniel_> ok thank you
[02:35] <psusi> is anyone still having the power management icon show up in the indicator applet when it shouldn't?
[03:05] <DanaG> Updated clutter and Unity... still gives blank desktop.
[03:06] <DanaG> oh,  I see... now clicking the button does something.
[03:06] <DanaG> Still not very useful... all it gives is a search box.
[03:07] <DanaG> And when I start typing in the search box, I get:
[03:07] <DanaG> Searchfirefox
[03:07] <DanaG> .... it doesn't erase the text that's already there.
[03:09] <DanaG> And even when I clear the text, it gives zero results for anything.
[03:09] <DanaG> I hope that's not the intended behavior.
[04:36] <legodude> hi, anyone know how to disable the startup sound in KDE 4.5 in maverick?
[04:37] <legodude> the option seems to have disappeared on me...
[06:55] <napster> Where is Maverick translations in LP?
[08:05] <DanaG> [ 1558.953086] rtl819xE:ERR in CPUcheck_firmware_ready()
[08:05] <DanaG> [ 1558.953106] rtl819xE:ERR in init_firmware()
[08:05] <DanaG> [ 1558.953120] rtl819xE:ERR!!! _rtl8192_up(): initialization is failed!
[08:57] <BUGabundo_remote> "The medium '/home/mainroad/.VirtualBox/HardDisks/Win XP SP3-2.vdi' has a logical size of 2047GB but the file system the medium is located on can only handle files up to 2043GB in theory.
[08:57] <BUGabundo_remote> We strongly recommend to put all your virtual disk images and the snapshot folder onto a proper file system (e.g. ext3) with a sufficient size."
[08:57] <BUGabundo_remote> $ mount  /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[08:58]  * BUGabundo_remote scratches head
[11:00] <dupondje> somebody that has vsftpd installed ?
[11:04] <BUGabundo_remote> no
[11:04] <BUGabundo_remote> rn
[11:12] <gnomefreak> is there a limit on MG that Rhythmbox can handle?
[12:45] <The-Compiler> Hi there, someone using Unity? I'm using Maverick + Unity, but when I click on the ubuntu icon, I see that graphic overlay and the search bar like on http://ubuntuxx.de/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/image7.png  but I don't see the categories nor the apps....
[12:46] <htorque> install unity-place-applications and unity-place-files
[12:46] <htorque> sorry, didn't read carefully
[12:47] <The-Compiler> perfect, thanks!
[12:47] <htorque> ah, that's not your screenshot?
[12:47] <The-Compiler> no
[12:47] <htorque> then my advise was alright :D
[12:48] <The-Compiler> guess so. Nothing did change yet, but I'll restart unity and see ;) (however I need to go now, thanks again!)
[12:49] <htorque> yw :)
[13:13] <cuco> hi all, i need to test a package uploaded to maverik on my 10.04, grub2 to be exact. where can i get it?
[13:14] <cuco> this is because of bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/grub2/+bug/450260
[13:15] <Ian_corne> if the fix is released, you should just update
[13:16] <cuco> if i understand this is fixed for ubuntu+1 which means i have to wait 6 months for the fix :)
[13:16] <cuco> and i kinda want to test it now on ubuntu+0
[13:16] <Ian_corne> you could install that package I guess
[13:17] <cuco> "where can i get it"?
[13:17] <G_A_C> cuco: you could look into "apt-pinning"
[13:18] <G_A_C> this would allow you to have repos for both 10.04 and 10.10 on your system, always use grub2 from 10.10, with deps satisfied from 10.04 where possible, or 10.10 if the packages aren't available in 10.04
[13:18] <G_A_C> it's a bit dangerous though I believe if you get it wrong...
[13:19] <cuco> eventually grub2 will need a newer glibc, i understand
[13:19] <G_A_C> s/a bit/very/ then :)
[13:21] <cuco> so... which repository do you recommend? I usually use the local one which contains only stable
[13:22] <bazhang> you shouldn't mix packages between versions
[13:23] <cuco> bazhang: thanks for the advice
[13:23] <bazhang> that is a recipe for guaranteed breakage
[13:25] <cuco> bazhang: again, thank you. please read the bug report I linked to before and propose a better solution.
[13:25]  * cuco shouts fedora 13, which does support this setup
[13:25]  * cuco runs from the mad ubuntu fans
[13:26] <bazhang> cuco, you are set in using btrfs?
[13:27] <cuco> bazhang: i do want to see how good/bad it is
[13:27] <bazhang> cuco, best way is use the development version then with alternate installer and d-i
[13:27] <cuco> even though the kernel+btrfs utils on ubuntu are too old for this kind of setup (the interesting parts are missing)
[13:28] <cuco> guys, please stop
[13:28] <cuco> i have a working system, it's up and running
[13:28] <cuco> and i found a simple bug - with a simple solution: update grub2 to a newer solution
[13:28] <cuco> s/solution/version/
[13:29] <bazhang> completely unsupported method
[13:29] <cuco> i know, because i am testing something that is unsupported in ubuntu yet.
[13:30] <cuco> the good thing about using linux for 10 years and working for a hw vendor which sells linux machines is that you know the system enough to try risky moves
[13:43] <cuco> wish me good luck, i updated two packages and it seems to work, now i only need to test if the machine boots :)
[13:47] <cuco> ok, seems to work, system is not on fire or something. now i hope someone backports those packages to 10.04, so I can have a regular install :)
[16:37] <hiredgoon> w
[16:37] <hiredgoon> in
[16:37] <hiredgoon>
[16:37] <hiredgoon> 2
[16:37] <jpds> lose 4.
[16:38] <hiredgoon> irssi fail!
[16:47] <BUGabundo_remote> I'm feeling like wither killing NX or X
[16:47] <BUGabundo_remote> damn it
[16:47] <BUGabundo_remote> darn X/UDEV ubugs
[16:47] <BUGabundo_remote> and can't find anyone to help me report it :(
[16:48] <BUGabundo_remote> so if anyone here uses NX could help, I would appreciate
[16:50] <adilalpman> hi all
[16:53] <adilalpman> is pulse-audio will be default sound system for kubuntu and ubuntu 10.10?
[16:53] <adilalpman> or can we choose alternatively it?
[17:11] <adilalpman> can anybodyread me?
[17:11] <om26er> yes
[17:12] <adilalpman> so
[17:12] <adilalpman> can anybody give me an answer if possible :S
[17:19] <Ian_corne> adilalpman: it's the default
[18:36] <DanaG> " Choose this to take full advantage of computers based on the AMD64 or EM64T architecture (e.g., Athlon64, Opteron, EM64T Xeon, Core 2). If you have a non-64-bit processor made by AMD, or if you need full support for 32-bit code, use the Intel x86 images instead."
[18:36] <DanaG> What, does Intel have no non-64-bit processors?
[18:36] <DanaG> =þ
[18:39] <maxb> DanaG: But the assumption is that someone with an Intel processor isn't going to be considering using an "amd64" image, I would think.
[18:42] <DanaG> ah.
[18:43] <patdk-wk> maxb, only if the person using intel, knows that a company called amd exists, and is a intel compeditor :)
[18:44] <Sensiva> I knew that amd64 images are for 64bit processors (whatever the mfg. is) from debian docus
[19:29] <pvandewyngaerd> my screen becomes black when i click the kbluetooth icon in Kubuntu MM, any one else having this ?
[19:38] <patdk-wk> hmm, kernel upgrade
[19:38] <patdk-wk> I wonder if my system will boot
[19:40] <patdk-wk> heh, same issue, kernel root ro option kills boot
[22:28] <BUGabundo> evening
[23:11] <DrHalan> mh. i don't really understand why network-indicator is useing connman
[23:27] <BUGabundo> stupid pidgin imploded
[23:58] <h00k> I've been out for a bit, is btrfs-tools supported by the installer on the daily builds?


[00:14] <jrgifford> Yeah
[01:06] <thafreak> yeah yeah yeah, maybe one day
[01:07] <thafreak> I keep thinking, I don't know much, but then I sit in a talk and I'm like, well I already know THAT
[21:33]  * Unit193 sighs.
[21:33] <Unit193> Looking into the NM process again, fun times.


[01:51] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:12] <ducasse> good morning folks
[08:48] <yurtesen> good morning