[03:54] <lamont> is there any easy way to throttle back how many scsi requests the kernel queues at any given time?
[03:57] <kees> lamont: I thought there was a queue depth argument, but my very faded memory says it was driver-specific
[03:57] <lamont> 3w-xxxx
[03:58] <kees> hmpf, modinfo doesn't show anything
[03:58] <lamont> color me silly, but swraid6 over 4 drives, currently has 2 of 4 live, recovers one to get to 3, starts down recovery for #4, and one of the 3 fails during that with request timeout type errors
[03:59] <kees> ew ew
[03:59] <lamont> yeah - it's getting kinda boringly cool
[04:00] <lamont><PHONE_NUMBER> blocks level 6, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [4/2] [UU__]
[04:00] <lamont>       [>....................]  recovery =  0.1% (3679104/1922057152) finish=996.2min speed=32092K/sec
[04:02]  * lamont adjusts the raid speed limit max downwards
[05:17] <lamont> Dec 16 16:57:32 corn kernel: [40415.519987] 3w-xxxx: scsi3: Command failed: status = 0xc7, flags = 0x1b, unit #4.
[05:17] <lamont> so what's that mean
[14:01] <JFo> Sarvatt, you around?
[14:04] <apw> tseliot, are you aware of bug #566437
[14:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 566437 in fglrx-installer (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "package fglrx 2:8.723.1-0ubuntu2 failed to REMOVE: error exit status 2 - dpkg-divert: mismatch on package - while removing the package (affects: 112) (dups: 27) (heat: 431)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/566437
[14:05] <apw> tseliot, seems to have appeared on the release team radar for natty all of a sudden
[14:06] <tseliot> apw: err.. I haven't used diversions in my packages since hardy (if I remember correctly)
[14:07] <apw> tseliot, oh hrm ...
[14:07] <apw> tseliot, so it is unlikely its valid any more?
[14:07] <tseliot> apw: wait I guess that was lucid, not hardy
[14:07] <tseliot> apw: so that's something left by his Karmic installation
[14:07] <apw> so it would be a lucid issue reproducible in maverick only then
[14:08] <apw> oh a karmic issue in theory not reproducible later than lucid then
[14:08] <apw> tseliot, though in comment #18 somone is claiming to be on maverick
[14:08] <tseliot> apw: I guess we still try to remove that diversion though (so as not to break dist-upgrades, in theory...)
[14:11] <apw> tseliot, so i'll phrase it that way then
[14:11] <tseliot> apw: I'll have a look at it. Thanks for bringing it to my attention
[15:02] <doko> apw, tgardner: any quick advice on http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60798677/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.netcfg_1.57ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ?
[15:03] <apw> doko, is that new ?
[15:04] <apw> doko, and is that building in the archive or a PPA ?
[15:04] <doko> apw: today's sync from unstable
[15:04] <apw> doko, these headers seem familiar, like we fixed something for them
[15:05] <apw> i wonder if a work around is still in place in that package which is no longer appropriate
[15:05] <apw> doko, specifally is there an ubuntu fix changing the net/if.h include to something else or similar ?
[15:06] <apw> doko, if you can point me at the build record itself with the package source and diff i may be able to answer my own questions
[15:06] <doko> apw: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netcfg/1.57ubuntu3
[15:07] <apw> doko, well that upload does contain a revert for a workaround ...
[15:10] <doko> apw: ahh, wait, cjwatson did upload, not a sync. so I'll wait a bit ;)
[15:10] <apw> doko, yeah
[15:20] <cjwatson> I reverted a patch which was supposed not to be needed any more
[15:20] <cjwatson> and it built fine locally
[15:21] <cjwatson> it does look like another double-inclusion bug, but why can't I reproduce it here I wonder?
[15:23] <apw> cjwatson, i can't see why it would occur either
[15:23] <apw> as i cannot find anything which triggers the linux/if.h include
[15:25] <apw> cjwatson, and the headers do seem to be updated correctly in the build
[15:28] <apw> cjwatson, on my system with the headers installed the 'fix' for the original issue is in place correctly
[15:28] <cjwatson> right, I did actually compile-test it before uploading :)
[15:33] <apw> cjwatson, i am confused by the error as the bug we fixed (which looks the same) was triggered by an include of linux/rtnetlink.h
[15:34] <apw> cjwatson, indeed i am at a loss as to how linux/if.h has been included, but it must have occured before
[15:37] <bfallik> is there a way I can interrupt boot or modify grub args to boot into a busybox shell?  I want to poke around the initrd world.
[15:38] <apw> bfallik, yeah there is, there is a way to stop in the initramfs in a number of places
[15:38] <cjwatson> ubiquity fails in the same way, of course
[15:38] <cjwatson> bfallik: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelBoot
[15:39] <apw> cjwatson, gurgle
[15:39] <cjwatson> apw: it incorporates a copy of netcfg so it's not surprising
[15:40] <bfallik> thanks
[15:45] <apw> cjwatson, ok i can reproduce this here ... trying to debug
[15:47] <apw> In file included from /usr/include/iwlib.h:56:0,
[15:47] <apw>                  from netcfg-common.c:26:
[15:47] <apw> /usr/include/linux/if.h:1:2: error: #error wibble
[15:47] <apw> cjwatson, ^^ seems that iwlib.h is to blame
[15:48] <apw> #include <sys/socket.h>                 /* for "struct sockaddr" et al  */
[15:48] <apw> #include <linux/if.h>                   /* for IFNAMSIZ and co... */
[15:48] <apw>  /* Glibc systems headers are supposedly less problematic than kernel ones */
[15:48] <cjwatson> how come it doesn't break locally though?
[15:48] <apw> those two are commented as above ...
[15:48] <cjwatson> (going to have to write up stuff for release meeting now)
[15:49] <apw> cjwatson, it breaks locally for me in a natty-amd64 chroot
[15:49] <cjwatson> I'll have a look later then
[15:54] <apw> cjwatson, if i change the linux/if.h to net/if.h in iwlib.h then things compile ... no idea if that is a reasonable change though
[16:00] <cjwatson> apw: I don't know - feel free to upload if you think it's likely to improve matters
[16:07] <apw> cjwatson, still looking at it, but the meeting gets in the way
[16:10] <cjwatson> yeah
[17:27] <apw> cjwatson, ok back at this thing ...
[17:27] <apw> cjwatson, i think that this sounds like the issue getting introduced
[17:28] <apw> wireless-tools (30~pre9-3ubuntu5) natty; urgency=low
[17:28] <apw>   * header-with-2.6.36.patch: Replace the if.h header used in iwlib.h by
[17:28] <apw>     the one provided by the kernel instead of using the one from libc. The
[17:28] <apw>     kernel headers now provide the same structures and linux/if.h would
[17:28] <apw>     otherwise conflict, since it gets pulled in from wireless.h. (LP: #672584)
[17:28] <apw>  -- Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 15:29:06 +0000
[17:28] <apw> wireless-tools (30~pre9-3ubuntu5) natty; urgency=low
[17:28] <apw>   * header-with-2.6.36.patch: Replace the if.h header used in iwlib.h by
[17:28] <apw>     the one provided by the kernel instead of using the one from libc. The
[17:28] <apw>     kernel headers now provide the same structures and linux/if.h would
[17:28] <apw>     otherwise conflict, since it gets pulled in from wireless.h. (LP: #672584)
[17:28] <apw>  -- Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 15:29:06 +0000
[17:31] <apw> cjwatson, what i cannot tell from the description is whether its no longer necessary now the other bug if fixed or not
[17:42] <apw> cjwatson, ok looks like that package is a bit of a mess, am working on getting it to compile since the compiler changes
[17:42] <cjwatson> hm, right, maybe that should be reverted
[17:42] <apw> cjwatson, pointeless for us both to work on it
[17:42] <cjwatson> not too sure
[17:42] <cjwatson> yeah, indeed
[17:42] <cjwatson> thanks
[17:42] <apw> cjwatson, well it claims its to maek the package build
[17:42] <cjwatson> but that was before your linux-libc-dev fix
[17:42] <apw> so am trying to confirm that, and now its not anyhow :)
[17:42] <apw> right so i think it can be reverted but to confirm i need to fix the link issues the new compiler has introduced in it
[17:42] <apw> sigh
[17:43] <apw> cjwatson, and its good experience for me to work on non-kernel
[17:45]  * cjwatson wonders if there's a better way for plymouth to spot nouveau substituting itself for vesafb than just listening for all uevents and looking for fb0 being removed/added
[17:46] <cjwatson> there's a custom fb notification chain thing in the kernel, but it seems to be internal AFAICS
[17:46] <apw> cjwatson, that is a difficult question
[17:46] <cjwatson> fb0 removed => plymouth hide-splash; fb0 added => plymouth show-splash doesn't seem *entirely* unreasonable as logic
[17:46] <cjwatson> I was just wondering whether it was the most efficient way to get that information
[17:49] <cjwatson> (and it probably means having /lib/plymouth/renderers/frame-buffer.so link against libudev, but hey-ho)
[17:49] <apw> cjwatson, no as we may not keep up either
[17:50] <cjwatson> hmm?
[17:50] <cjwatson> no to which bit?
[17:57] <apw> cjwatson, oh i mean we may be running against ureadahead so very slow to react
[17:57] <apw> cjwatson, so we may not clear down immediatly not redraw then either, which  may make the interaction a problem
[17:57] <Sarvatt> cjwatson: so I have 2 machines screwed up before the grub kernel selection screens even come up, do you have any tips on how to debug it further? one reboots and the other hangs at GRUB loading after a warm boot 100% of the time
[17:59] <apw> cjwatson, so if a package has no VCS: line do i assume what is in 'apt-get source' is the way to get the source to modifiy it
[18:13] <cjwatson> apw: I can't see how we can react faster than udev, really ...
[18:13] <cjwatson> Sarvatt: does holding shift at boot change anything?
[18:13] <cjwatson> Sarvatt: also 'grub-install --debug-image=all <whatever device you install to>' may make it (lots!) more verbose
[18:14] <cjwatson> apw: yes
[18:14] <apw> cjwatson, ok ... would you be able to review a package for me?
[18:14] <cjwatson> apw: sure
[18:14] <Sarvatt> cjwatson: just makes the GRUB loading message display, otherwise it just silently reboots/hangs. thanks a ton, wasn't having any luck finding that magic
[18:15] <apw> cjwatson, so it seems that backing out that patch in wireless-tools seems to still allow it to build and fixes our dependant build
[18:15] <apw> cjwatson, i have also had to fix a compile issue with it related to our new compiler
[18:16] <apw> cjwatson, see chinstrap:~apw/sign/wireless-tools_30~pre9-3ubuntu6*
[18:17] <cjwatson> looks mostly fine though two things
[18:18] <cjwatson> (1) actually remove the header-with-2.6.36.patch file as well as removing it from series
[18:18] <cjwatson> (2) I think better link order would be:
[18:18] <cjwatson> $(CC) -shared -o $@ -Wl,-soname,$@ $(STRIPFLAGS) $^ $(LIBS) -lc
[18:18] <cjwatson> i.e. keep -lc after $(LIBS)
[18:18] <apw> cjwatson, will test that now
[18:25] <apw> cjwatson, ok moving -lc works, though i suspect its not needed given it worked with it in the wrong place too
[18:26] <apw> i've dropped the patch, quite why quilt remove FOO doesn't remove the patch is a mystery to me
[18:26] <apw> and pushed the updated packages to the same place
[18:32] <apw> cjwatson, ^
[18:33] <cjwatson> yep, that's fine, want me to upload?
[18:35] <apw> cjwatson, sure, it needs a sponsor
[18:35] <cjwatson> done
[18:35] <apw> cjwatson, i assume we'll have to re-upload the netcfg etc as well, but i guess you have that in hand
[18:36] <apw> cjwatson, and thanks for your help
[18:38] <cjwatson> nah, can just mash retry on those
[18:38] <cjwatson> once wireless-tools builds
[18:39] <apw> ahh of course they didn't publish
[18:51] <apw> cjwatson, all built, be in the archive in an hour
[18:56] <cjwatson> cool


 I'm just hope I can get it into a working streak)
[00:30] <Unit193> Did I miss anything fun? ;)
[00:31] <cyberanger> well, remind it of what happened to the last one, sit rusting in a landfill, or smelted down in india, the key is negetive reinforcement ;-)
[00:31] <cyberanger> maybe it'll get the message
[00:31] <cyberanger> Unit193: I think not
[00:48] <Unit193> It just lost connection again... (I can catch it fast so it doesn't disconnect from IRC) Unplug USB, plug back in
[00:57] <cyberanger> seems not much of an issue with a server at a data center
[00:58] <cyberanger> granted, even with that my computer can still go on the fritz, just nobody on IRC notices
[00:59] <Unit193> Both of them are :P  And I don't have the income for that :P
[01:06] <cyberanger> yeah, volunteer IT, forgot
[01:08] <Unit193> Once a week and it's still fun! (+ $4 at the crappy food place and discount too ^_^ pop is good...)
[01:08] <Unit193> 32oz for 1.09 (without the discount)
[01:10] <cyberanger> I enjoyed it mostly
[01:10] <cyberanger> (my folks work at hospitals, nursing)
[03:53] <Unit193> cyberanger: Don't know why it popped now, but I also get cool crap from the hospital (Some sadly don't run *ubuntu all that well {Optiplex GX260})
[03:54] <cyberanger> nice
[03:54] <cyberanger> yeah, you definately don't want hot steamy crap, that's the bad kind ;-)
[03:55] <cyberanger> always nice to see effort being rewarded
[03:55] <Unit193> Haha! Old but not bad :D  This Latitude D810 is really nice!
[03:58] <cyberanger> I take it they are dell fans
[04:00] <Unit193> And you see that as bad? They get business class in bulk (swappable parts)
[04:05] <cyberanger> No, I just haven't seen many bussinesses I've dealt with running dell is all
[04:06] <cyberanger> IBM (now Lenovo) and Panosonic Toughbooks & HP servers mostly
[04:08] <cyberanger> desktops seem less brand loyal, and include dells, but I think I see more HP (slightly) followed by dell & after that is emachines and one alienware (dude was a graphics designer, favored macs but his employer loved domain controllers)
[04:09] <cyberanger> I love linux, but if I kept to linux at work, the bills wouldn't be paid
[04:09] <cyberanger> so I snatch any linux job I can first, then get whatever is left
[04:10] <cyberanger> (well, I should say former work, downsizing)
[04:11] <Unit193> Eh, you got kicked out? (Maybe bad wording here...)
[04:12] <Unit193> (This is the one I hate to see http://paste.ubuntu.com/642358/ but I see way too much on Sigma)
[04:18] <cyberanger> Unit193: not the best wording, too many techs, for too little work
[04:19] <cyberanger> too much payroll for too little income
[04:20] <cyberanger> I'm not sales, I'm not a revinue generator, I'm in repair, meant to fix what's broken, too many fixers for too little problems is all
[04:21] <Unit193> cyberanger: Sorry to hear/bring it up, you seem like a really nice guy and I hope you find another job that you even like soon! (I was saying maybe my wording isn't the best)
[04:22] <cyberanger> yeah, and I wasn't the only one, it's been a little while, no suprise, in time there will be another
[04:44] <cyberanger> and you didn't bring it up I did
[04:49] <cyberanger> it happens
[04:51] <cyberanger> our age group has high unemployment, my age (21) is only slightly better than 16 (earliest the US Gov't counts) to 19
[04:52] <cyberanger> it's not desired, but expected
[05:02] <Unit193> B-cause we (the young) is stupids ;)
[05:10] <cyberanger> more like we lack (proof of) good work ethic, compared to our older colluges, we can afford a few more hardships
[05:10] <cyberanger> we have our whole life ahead of us
[05:12] <cyberanger> after a point the skills you have are relied on more, we can have whatever skills we're trained for
[05:14] <cyberanger> it's not great, but it is somewhat realistic, if you've done one thing for 5-10 years, you don't need training, you have it or not
[05:14] <cyberanger> and they don't spend much training on them, for that matter
[05:21] <Unit193> I'm going to have to get some college/certs if I'm going to go into IS/IT, else I'll have to get a crappy job :/
[05:26] <cyberanger> I've heard they're largely ignored, let my linux+ expire for the time being
[05:27] <cyberanger> it might have been an edge with something else next to it
[05:28] <Unit193> I don't mean to pry, but what type of college/certs did you get/do you have?  -_- (I just KNOW it's going to drop out again before the morning)
[06:30] <cyberanger> I plan on finishing everything, but in progress (with work being a better value for the tight budget, doing that as much as I can)
[06:31] <cyberanger> I have a Computer Information Science Degree being worked on, had a Linux Plus cert (they expire every 2 years, retest to renew, but I can't afford to retest atm)
[06:31] <cyberanger> Unit193: ^
[06:31] <cyberanger> sorry, had to run for a little bit
[06:32] <Unit193> cyberanger: Thanks and no problem! As I would like to go into mostly the same (?) line of work as you, it's nice to know what others can get work with :)
[06:33] <cyberanger> Unit193: I got work with nothing, at first
[06:33] <cyberanger> and my linux+ cert probally fell in less value compared to actual experience
[06:34] <cyberanger> (I've been the president of my local LUG (an easy feat, ask when the next meeting is, and your appointed/drafted club president till the next meeting, which your sole duty is to set up ;-))
[06:35] <Unit193> I'm going to see if I can get a job at where I volunteer (I have been told to apply, but I haven't yet :/ )
[06:35] <cyberanger> (and then my various roles here, in this LoCo)
[06:36] <cyberanger> and finally, chatting the IT Dept up (rarely does HR mind, since I still formally apply through them, but I see IT at confrences and such, no intent to bypass the chain any) has shown knowledge that HR wouldn't screen for
[06:37] <cyberanger> Unit193: at this hospital?
[06:40] <Unit193> Yep!
[06:41] <cyberanger> are you out of high school, graduate?
[06:41] <Unit193> Yes I am
[06:46] <cyberanger> then if I were you, if they want you to apply, I'd apply
[06:47] <cyberanger> somebody has your back, usually good to follow the advice, with that kind of support
[06:49] <Unit193> The person is no longer in charge of interviews, but he had a few good points and is the Domain Admin
[06:52] <cyberanger> and a reference, that will look good to the current interviewer (unless there is some presonal feelings one tends to avoid)
[15:46] <Xpistos> ... cricket noises ...
[15:54] <orias> *crunch*
[16:32] <Xpistos> \msg cyberanger are you around?
[16:34] <wrst> ha ha :)
[16:34] <wrst> cyberanger: is all knowing he's always around, Xpistos ;)
[16:35] <Xpistos> wrst: it's true he answered me telepathically and I know now what I must do ...
[16:56] <wrst> ha ha
[18:54] <wrst> greetings pace_t_zulu
[18:58] <pace_t_zulu> hey wrst
[18:58] <pace_t_zulu> i am all over the place lately
[18:58] <wrst> glad you stopped by ;)
[19:19] <pace_t_zulu> thanks man :)
[22:21] <cyberanger> Wow, the one day I'm offline is the day everyone messages me, darn
[22:21] <cyberanger> wrst: except when you need him (me) it seems
[23:40] <wrst> ha ha cyberanger


[01:16] <phunyguy> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic montecfel cursing and namecalling because nobody wanted to take his trollbait, then left.
[06:51] <bazhang> !find aptoncd
[06:51] <bazhang> bizarro
[06:51] <bazhang> in PM: <ubottu> Found: E:, E:, E:
[19:28] <k1l_> the andrew troll again


[08:17] <lool> ajmitch: Please do
[08:38] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey
[08:38] <seb128> chrisccoulson, mpt was wondering if you uploaded the new user account dialog in a ppa or somewhere for testing
[08:43] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128 - it's not in a PPA just yet as i've not packaged it (i just built it locally)
[08:43] <seb128> mpt, ^
[08:43] <seb128> mpt, I guess you can have a look on chrisccoulson's laptop at some point this week if you can't join the session
[08:44] <mpt> ok
[08:44] <mpt> thanks seb128
[15:57] <LaserJock> so is Unity all written in Vala?
[15:58] <pitti> didrocks: can you take the maximus merge? It looks straightforward, but I rather get rid of some package ownership now
[15:58] <pitti> didrocks: (of course not "do it now", just in general)
[16:01] <ragazzo> c'e qualche italiano che mi può aiutare a configurare ubuntu?
[16:03] <didrocks> pitti: I see no upstream merge proposal and don't really know how to get those for the packages, can you guide me, please?
[16:03] <didrocks> LaserJock: some part is in vala, others in plain C
[16:04] <pitti> didrocks: https://merges.ubuntu.com/m/maximus/
[16:04] <pitti> didrocks: you didn't do merges before?
[16:04] <didrocks> pitti: oh "merge"
[16:04] <didrocks> pitti: I was thinking "merge request"
[16:04] <pitti> didrocks: ah, yes; this kind of merge
[16:04] <pitti> sorry :)
[16:04] <didrocks> pitti: no pb, got it now ;)
[16:04] <didrocks> sure, I'll
[17:32] <malev_> when is the meeting?
[21:47] <LaserJock> anybody know where indicator-applet keeps its log?
[21:52] <jpds> LaserJock: ~/.cache/indicator-applet.log
[22:09] <LaserJock> hmm


[01:11] <szczur> anyone seen bioterror?
[01:17] <Unit193> szczur: Sadly, not for a while. :/
[01:22] <szczur> Unit193, :)
[01:22] <szczur> i'm here
[01:23] <szczur> what do you want? :P
[01:23] <szczur> kinddna out of #lubuntu craze for a while
[01:29] <wxl> ok check this one out
[01:30] <wxl> 12.10 font weirdness
[01:30] <wxl> here's lxterminal with ubuntu mono: http://imgur.com/tdovfnb,bJbmfUN
[01:31] <wxl> and here's the same terminal with source sans pro (an adobe open source font i not only like but have used in lubuntu before): http://imgur.com/tdovfnb,bJbmfUN
[01:31] <wxl> oh wait, i see there both on that same link
[01:31] <wxl> "first image" is the bad one and "second image" is the good one
[01:31] <wxl> note that the size of the terminal changes, too
[01:31] <wxl> just by changing the font
[01:31] <wxl> wth?
[01:42] <GeorgeIoak2> just did a clean install of lubuntu and am trying to set up iniit scripts but they aren't running at boot. how can i debug ?
[01:43] <GeorgeIoak2> if i /etc/init.d/scriptname.sh start and stop works
[01:44] <GeorgeIoak2> i also ran sudo chmod +x /etc/init.d/filename
[01:44] <GeorgeIoak2> and then sudo update-rc.d filename defaults
[01:44] <GeorgeIoak2> the symlinks were created in rc directories
[01:58] <GeorgeIoak2> any hints anyone?
[02:09] <genii-around> GeorgeIoak2: Perhaps look at the update-rc.d manpage
[02:12] <genii-around> GeorgeIoak2: What is the init script supposed to do? Perhaps it is running before some other thing it needs as a prerequisite is not running before
[02:12] <GeorgeIoak2> genii-around: Yes, I've looked and a similar procedure on a Debian system last year worked
[02:13] <genii-around> I'm not sure when upstart makes the call to run all the old sysv stuff
[02:13] <GeorgeIoak2> genii-around: it basically starts chromium-browser with --kiosk switch
[02:14] <GeorgeIoak2> i noticed some references to upstart and haven't used it. was wondering if i needed to but this seemed rather straight forward
[02:14] <genii-around> Wouldn't you need a desktop up and running beforehand?
[02:15] <GeorgeIoak2> yes, it's at rc2, i'll post the script in a second
[02:16] <GeorgeIoak2> http://pastebin.com/guu4hiHn
[02:17] <GeorgeIoak2> hmm, i just noticed that Required Start and Stop are blank. On the debian system i was running a custom video player that wrote directly to the FB so it could launch right away
[02:20] <GeorgeIoak2> maybe i need to add $remote_fs t required start/stop
[02:21] <GeorgeIoak2> would i need another level or something else in there?
[02:22] <genii-around> I'm thinking that maybe you need instead an init.d that just starts X with user onq , then in onq's home directory your .xsession or so on starts the browser
[02:23] <GeorgeIoak2> it's going to be made into a kiosk so i'm looking for just a fast boot and straight into some local HTML pages
[02:24] <genii-around> Or instead of an init.d script an rc.local one, which runs after all the init/upstart is done
[02:25] <GeorgeIoak2> oh crap, i made that change and rebooted and now the system is hung and i don't think ssh is running
[02:26] <GeorgeIoak2> isn't it ctrl-alt-f12 to kill X?
[02:27] <genii-around> I think ctrl-alt-esc
[02:28] <GeorgeIoak2> no dice, big time crap...
[02:30] <genii-around> It used to be ctrl-alt-backspace but i think they did that !dontzap thing
[02:31] <GeorgeIoak2> i haven't found the magic key and it doesn't look like i can ssh in. any other ideas?
[02:33] <genii-around> Try right-hand ALT+PRINT SCREEN+ K
[02:34] <GeorgeIoak2> just booted off of a thumb drive, hopefully i can just rename the script file and reboot. if not i'll try that key combo
[02:35] <genii-around> I have to go, but hopefully someone may take up your issue.
[02:36] <GeorgeIoak2> thanks
[02:40] <GeorgeIoak2> ok, somehow something happened and now i can't boot. looks like it gets to the desktop but then only shows a static cursor in the upper left corner
[02:40] <GeorgeIoak2> can't seem to get to a console or kill X, if that's what's hanging
[02:41] <GeorgeIoak2> looks like it's X related because i can plug in a tumb drive and see the drive light blinking
[02:46] <GeorgeIoak2> what file do i need to edit to stop X from running on boot up so I can debug this? I can boot from the thumb drive and make the edit
[02:47] <GeorgeIoak2> is it in rc.local?
[03:02] <GeorgeIoak2> anyone got an idea on what I can do to get this system back? i think it might be because i used plymouth-manager to change the theme?
[03:15] <GeorgeIoak2> what do i change to boot into console so i can debug this system?
[04:27] <Jian> Hi guys quick (maybe) question about a bug i'm having
[04:28] <wxl> Jian: fire away
[04:29] <phillw> GeorgeIoak2: on boot from grub, you have the option to enter terminal mode (emergency / etc.) it is in amongst the do you want to do a RAM check. I suggest that you use that option.
[04:29] <Jian> every time i leave my computer alone and the screen turns off (when i move the mouse to bring it back i have to type in my password) when i return i am greeted by seemingly endless windows asking me to put in my wifi password that it should already know
[04:29] <Jian> and i'm asked to put it in every time my wifi disconnects (doesnt seem like much of an issue to me but might be related)
[04:29] <wxl> which lubnutu?
[04:30] <Jian> pretty sure its the newest one whats the quickest way to check?
[04:30] <wxl> lsb_release -a
[04:31] <Jian> ok i actually just had to reboot it cause of all the windows so hold on a few seconds
[04:31] <wxl> you should make sure that the connection is available to all users Jian
[04:31] <wxl> that's in the "edit connections" dialog
[04:31] <phillw> !grub2 | GeorgeIoak2
[04:32] <Jian> Yes it is available to all users and my version is 12.10 quantal
[04:32] <Jian> 32-bit
[04:33] <Jian> I also noticed that my settings in skype change when I reboot, maybe related?
[04:33] <wxl> possibly
[04:34] <wxl> here's a random thought-- what are the permissions and owner/group on your home folder? you can "ls -al /home | grep <your username here>" to figure it out
[04:35] <Jian> drwxr-xr-x 26 whatever that means lol
[04:35] <wxl> keep on going
[04:35] <Jian> rest of it is "josh josh 4096 feb 13 00:31 josh"
[04:35] <wxl> ok so
[04:36] <wxl> my perms are slightly different
[04:36] <wxl> more restrictive
[04:37] <Jian> so wouldn't that rule out permissions?
[04:37] <wxl> well makes me wonder
[04:37] <wxl> i would expect them to be pretty restrictive
[04:37] <wxl> it's good that you own your own folder :)
[04:38] <Jian> yeah idk i didnt modify anything that i know of :P
[04:38] <wxl> and they're not LESS restrictive which would certainly be bad
[04:38] <wxl> i'm on 12.04.2
[04:38] <wxl> phillw: you got a 12.10 around?
[04:39] <wxl> hm
[04:39] <wxl> there's this bug which may be related https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/955463
[04:40] <Jian> ah that seems about right
[04:40] <Jian> any workarounds there?
[04:40] <phillw> wxl: yup, what do you need it for?
[04:40] <wxl> phillw: what are the perms on your home folder?
[04:41] <Unit193> drwxr-xr-x
[04:41] <wxl> ok well nevermind htat
[04:42] <phillw> wxl drwxr-xr-x 44 phillw phillw  4096 Feb 12 23:47 phillw
[04:42] <wxl> i'm drwx------ for some reason :)
[04:42] <phillw> yup, i concur
[04:42] <phillw> that could cause fun,... especially the last, extra x
[04:42] <wxl> uh, yep
[04:43] <Jian> on an unrelated note whats the difference between XTerm and UXTerm
[04:43] <wxl> unicode
[04:43] <Jian> which one should i normally use?
[04:43] <wxl> lxterminal XD
[04:44] <phillw> Jian: they are versions on term and the bug has been risen to remove them from options to save confusion :)
[04:44] <phillw> Ill go and remind the boss :D
[04:44] <wxl> so Jian if you look at (you'll need to sudo it) /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/<your SSID here> does everything look right?
[04:45] <Jian> what do you mean by 'look at' ?    "sudo /etc/..." is clearly not what im supposed to do :P
[04:46] <wxl> sudo cat or sudo more or sudo less or …
[04:46] <Jian> yes it looks fine the passkey is in there.
[04:47] <Jian> should i hibernate my computer and see if it forgets it again?
[04:47] <wxl> probably not
[04:47] <wxl> we haven't done anything
[04:47] <Jian> oh
[04:47] <Jian> ok
[04:48] <wxl> i'd probably remove it and start over
[04:48] <Jian> yeah but i mean to see if it changes the info from that command
[04:48] <Jian> you mean just like delete the connection?
[04:50] <GeorgeIoak2> i'm seeing some WARNING: gnome-keyring couldn't connect to: /run/user/onq/keyring.... no such file or directory when i start some apps from the command line
[04:51] <wxl> GeorgeIoak2: don't we all
[04:51] <GeorgeIoak2> wxl: you too
[04:52] <Hyuristyle> hey, i just installed Skype <IP_ADDRESS> on lubuntu 12.10 but the calls are mute and after i receive an incoming call it breaks. anyone know how to fix that?
[04:52] <wxl> GeorgeIoak2: ALL of us :)
[04:52] <Hyuristyle> (note: the call breaks, not the skype)
[04:53] <Jian> wxl removing the connection seems to have worked thanks
[04:54] <GeorgeIoak2> i was trying to run a script using init.d and it wasn't firing on startup. is update-rd not the way to do this anymore?
[04:54] <wxl> Jian: cool. if that pops up again for some reason, you might want to file a bug
[04:54] <Jian> okay
[04:55] <Hyuristyle> i can use ScreenShare normally, but not listen to incoming calls =/
[04:55] <wxl> Hyuristyle: sorry to be unhelpful but have you checked the skype wiki?
[04:56] <Hyuristyle> oh, sorry, i missed this!
[04:56] <Hyuristyle> will check now
[04:56] <wxl> !skype | Hyuristyle
[04:56] <wxl> well the first one should be useful :)
[04:56] <Hyuristyle> hoho, a bot, good
[04:56] <wxl> you can also try !ekiga to verify if you have a general voip issue or if your issue is with skype itself
[04:56] <Hyuristyle> thanks =D
[04:56] <wxl> !ekiga | Hyuristyle
[04:57] <wxl> hope it helps!
[04:57] <Jian> the second link mentions recording skype audio but what if i wanted to record video ;)
[04:57]  * wxl shrugs :)
[04:57] <Jian> nah jk i have a program for that already ;)
[04:58] <Hyuristyle> "...in Ubuntu until 9.10, Karmic Koala, when it was replaced by Empathy..."
[04:58] <Jian> ekiga is included you say?
[04:58] <Jian> ah
[04:58] <wxl> the bot is sort of ubuntu-neutral if you will :)
[04:58] <Jian> okay i dont have either of those things
[04:59] <wxl> like i'm sure it will say we have remina if i do this:
[04:59] <wxl> !vnc
[04:59] <wxl> oh surprise surprise it doesn't :)
[05:02] <Jian> !FreeNX
[05:03] <Jian> interesting
[05:03] <wxl> you can learn a lot from a bot
[05:04] <Jian> hahah indeed
[05:09] <Hyuristyle> wxl: do you know if Ekiga hahe some kind of "test call" function
[05:09] <Hyuristyle> have*
[05:09] <Hyuristyle> ?
[05:09] <hpuser4466> Lubuntu 12.04 full install.  How do I reboot into grub console?
[05:09] <wxl> well ekiga isn't a network like skype, Hyuristyle
[05:09] <wxl> i don't have my headset otherwise i'd offer
[05:09] <wxl> maybe tomorrow?
[05:10] <Hyuristyle> =)
[05:10] <hpuser4466> How do i interrupt lubuntu boot to access grub cmd line?
[05:10] <wxl> hpuser4466: one sec i'm trying to remembe the key
[05:11] <wxl> shift!
[05:11] <wxl> that's right
[05:11] <hpuser4466> uh huh.. thanks..updating bios
[05:13] <Hyuristyle> ooo, good... so, pressing shift on GRUB goes to cmd line?
[05:14] <wxl> nope pressing shift on start goes to grub menu
[05:14] <Hyuristyle> hum
[05:17] <hpuser4466> Cool. I successfully updated BIOS from grub menu with a little trickery.
[05:17] <wxl> do i read you right? you updated bios from grub? tell me more
[05:18] <hpuser4466> i used syslinux + Dell's biosdisk + grub
[05:19] <hpuser4466> setup a virtual floppy drive and installed the bios .exe file
[05:19] <hpuser4466> this is for dell. Don't know if it works on other pcs.
[05:20] <wxl> prolly not
[05:20] <hpuser4466> I had screen flicker.  Waiting to see if bios update fixed it.
[05:21] <hpuser4466> Good so far. No flicker.
[05:21] <hpuser4466> hmm and better framerate with GL
[05:22] <Unit193> I didn't even need syslinux, did it from the OS then rebooted. :D
[05:22] <hpuser4466> Unit193..ok..well if it works ;- )
[05:23] <hpuser4466> if i boot with kernel option "nomodeset" what happens?
[05:25] <hpuser4466> i don't notice any difference using nomodeset or not.
[05:25] <hpuser4466> bios update worked. Problem solved (it seems.)
[05:28] <Jian> whats a good resource for lubuntu themes
[05:28] <wxl> Jian: box look
[05:31] <Jian> what do i do if its not .obt but a folder instead?
[05:32] <wxl> Jian: put it in ~/.themes
[05:35] <hpuser4466> Tested again. Kernel options nomodeset and acpi=force give way better framerate with my radeon chipset
[05:35] <hpuser4466> approx 3x better
[05:36] <hpuser4466> I can say that's a success :- )
[05:40] <Jian> wxl what does the tilde represent
[05:42] <wxl> Jian: /home/josh = ~ for you
[05:42] <Jian> oh ok
[05:45] <Jian> all folders with a period as the first character of the filename are hidden aren't they?
[05:45] <wxl> yep
[05:45] <Jian> so i have to use terminal to copy my themes into there or is there a way to show them
[05:46] <wxl> there's a way
[05:47] <wxl> you just have to look carefully :)
[05:47] <wxl> click view in the pcmanfm menu
[05:47] <Jian> hahahaha oh i should probably look at these kinds of things :P
[05:52] <Jian> bye wxl nice meeting you thanks for the help
[05:52] <wxl> np be well Jian
[06:03] <Captain> Hi guys !
[06:03] <Captain> Need some help about Lubuntu settings...
[06:04] <Captain> I would like to change the color of the menu (popup, main menu) but I really don't see how to do this...
[06:04] <Captain> Any idea ?
[06:05] <Captain> I set up compiz as my windows manager and I have emerald installed...
[06:19] <hpuser4466> My LCD screen dims briefly every so often.  Not so bad after a bios update.  Any ideas?
[06:20] <hpuser4466> Screen dims for a split second then back normal again.
[06:21] <hpuser4466> Dell Inspiron D600
[06:33] <hpuser4466> Also screen resolution setting isn't staying persistant after a reboot with nomodeset in grub.
[07:27] <agura> I am new to lubuntu having problems with prelude-manager.   However when in put in the command 'config' I get a suggestion of several different commands: fconfig, zconfig, vconfig and mconfig and none seems connocted to prelude-manager.  My overall goal is to get snort working and all my problems seem related to that.
[11:03] <Buzzby> Can anyone help me get sound workin in Lubuntu, please?  Profiler says my sound is  ICH - SiS SI7012
[11:12] <Buzzby> Is anyone here?
[11:13] <Buzzby> brb I wanna reboot.
[13:41] <redtape-renegade> Hi there .. there is meeting tonight at 8pm to 9pm UTC on #ubuntu-meeting although the last *agenda* was set on July 12th 2012 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/cyberdruifATgmail.com.png
[13:43] <redtape-renegade> Unit 193, Is anyone going to be present for this ??
[13:43] <redtape-renegade> Thought I'd ask as you are a moderator on the channel.
[15:09] <pPillow> Bonjour tut le monde
[15:09] <pPillow> Y a-t-il quelqu'un ici parlant français et pouvant m'aider car je ne peux dépasser la version 12.04de Lubuntu (ni en mise à niveauni en installation CD)
[15:11] <pPillow> à chaque fois je termine par un écran noir au démarrage,la touche maj m'affihe le grub mais je ne peux aller plus loin ((sauf chosir une version plus ancienne)
[15:13] <pPillow> Personne ? dommage et merci.
[15:16] <hateball> !fr | pPillow
[15:35] <pPillow> Merci Bye
[16:40] <Josssse> Hello guys. Is there a way I can gvfs-open article.pdf such that it doesn't come back to the front? I looked unsuccesfully for options in the gvfs-open manpage.
[17:07] <michel__> what does chmod do?
[17:20] <genii-around> micahg_: chmod is the command which lets you alter the read/write/execute permissions of a file or directory
[17:22]  * genii-around sips more coffee and makes a note to always doublecheck the tab-complete
[17:53] <mateobur> Hello
[18:05] <GeorgeIoak2> i've written my own udev rule for when a usb drive get's plugged in but lubuntu is still mounting the drive even though all the options in pcmanfm->preferences->volume management are not checked
[18:05] <GeorgeIoak2> i don't see any other udev rules so where else could it be that is mounting the usb drive?
[18:35] <GeorgeIoak2> anyone know what's being called when the system is auto mounting usb drives?
[18:35] <bennypr0fane> hello, I was trying to activate an Nvidia graphics driver from Jockey, but I get an error saying: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf is invalid" See my xorg.conf here: http://pastie.org/6155231 I can't tell what the problem is, looks ok to me
[18:36] <bennypr0fane> GeorgeIoak2 maybe mount?
[18:36] <bennypr0fane> it'd have to be a service, right?
[18:37] <GeorgeIoak2>  but i'm trying to find what is causing the system to automount drives so i can run my own udev rule
[18:38] <bennypr0fane> fstab is where stuff is mounted permanently
[18:38] <bennypr0fane> /etc/fstab
[18:39] <GeorgeIoak2> it's jst that in pcmanfm there's settings to tell it not to mount drives but now that i write this i guess that's not for the system
[18:39] <bennypr0fane> you done some googling? fstab, mount, media, are the keywords come to my mind
[18:40] <bennypr0fane> so you want them to NOT automount?
[18:40] <GeorgeIoak2> correct, i don't want the usb drive to auto mount so my udev runs which mounts it, copies some files and then amounts the drive
[18:41] <bennypr0fane> try take a look https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[18:42] <bennypr0fane> (dude why are those httpS ?)
[18:42] <GeorgeIoak2> bennypr0fane: thanks, i'll look at fstab
[18:43] <bennypr0fane> would you wnat that udev rule to be permament? i.e. persistent across reboots?
[18:44] <bennypr0fane> I don't suppose you speak/read German? http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/udev
[18:44] <GeorgeIoak2> any chance anyone knows how to get the midori browser to run in fullscreen? my script launches it with "midori -e Fullscreen &" but it seems like that switch is a toggle so 1 time it's FS, the next time it's window
[18:44] <bennypr0fane> F11?
[18:45] <GeorgeIoak2> bennypr0fane: yes, permanent, i placed my UDEV rule in /etc/udev/rules.d
[18:45] <GeorgeIoak2> but it needs to always automatically go FS, it's for a kiosk
[18:46] <bennypr0fane> this looks interesting too: http://askubuntu.com/questions/1644/mounting-a-usb-disk-in-a-permanent-location
[18:46] <GeorgeIoak2> i tried chromium-browser with --kiosk but it had some odd errors that i saw others had so i switched to midori
[18:47] <bennypr0fane> what's a kiosk?
[18:47] <GeorgeIoak2> a system in a store for customers to watch demos
[18:48] <bennypr0fane> I don't use Midori anymore, used to keep crashing for no reason
[18:49] <bennypr0fane> tried anything else, or you definitely settled on midori?
[18:50] <GeorgeIoak2> no, don't really care, as long as it can play html5 videos and always go fs and somewhat lock the user out
[18:50] <bennypr0fane> SRware Iron is a de-googlified version of Chromium - nice and light, but might have the same bugs
[18:50] <bennypr0fane> I believe Opera should a great choice for that, as long as you make sure your desired website likes it
[18:51] <GeorgeIoak2> haven't tried opera on lubuntu but was going to be my 3rd choice
[18:52] <bennypr0fane> it's more stable than Midori and html5 support is definitely given, can't say anything about its *quality* though
[18:52] <bennypr0fane> Fullscreen launch should be a breeze
[18:53] <GeorgeIoak2> that's what i thought but nothing but troubles on such assummed to be simple stuff
[18:53] <bennypr0fane> and they have been pointing to the fact of focussing on html5 support in past releases, like advertising pure-html5 games that run smoothly in Opera and such
[18:54] <bennypr0fane> hahha
[18:54] <bennypr0fane> you're right
[18:55] <bennypr0fane> you can tell I'm kindof a fan of Opera, but it doesn't play nice with some sites, and it sorta stronlgy dislikes flash video
[18:56] <GeorgeIoak2> seems stupid but if i just go into the menus of midori and turn menus and stuff off, go full screen, then close it the next time it opens like that. if you give the "-e Fullscreen" it definitely toggles FS mode and doesn't accept a 0/1 option
[18:56] <GeorgeIoak2> yeah, opera on my phone seemed nice
[18:57] <bennypr0fane> android?
[18:57] <GeorgeIoak2> yep
[18:57] <bennypr0fane> I believe that would be Java then
[19:07] <GeorgeIoak2> how about a way to turn off the mouse pointer? the system has a touch screen so I don't want a pointer on the screen
[19:09] <bennypr0fane> there's an IRC channel on opera.net #opera
[19:09] <Burnsworthy> Hi #lubuntu, I'm having some installation problems with 12.04 on an older machine. Is there anyone around who wouldn't mind lending a hand?
[19:10] <bennypr0fane> they should be able to tell you more
[19:10] <bennypr0fane> Burnsworthy be more specific, then you'll see ;-)
[19:10] <krilkov> Help? I lost my task bar thing in lubuntu, how can I get it back?
[19:11] <GeorgeIoak2> yeah, i'm on midori now and asked the question there. seems like the config file for midori tackles things a little differently so that might work
[19:12] <susr_> sorry. Lost my task bar at the bottom of Lubuntu. Was there a reply to that answer?
[19:14] <Burnsworthy> Ok, to specify - I'm installing the iso onto a flash drive with linuxlive, and attempting to boot from it. However, when I do this, immediately after the various BIOS screens, at the point where the installation menu should be appearing, I'm instead getting a 'line' of moving underscores travelling across the bottom of my screen, occassionally interspered with fast moving 'smiley faces' travelling up the way. (At least, that's w
[19:14] <Burnsworthy> these continues indefinately.
[19:14] <Burnsworthy> *these continue indefinately, as far as I can tell.
[19:15] <Burnsworthy> I've installed ubuntu 10.04 on my netbook before with no problems, and I'm following the same process for this install.
[19:17] <bennypr0fane> krilkov are you susr_ or you just happen to have the exact same question?
[19:18] <bennypr0fane> I believ LXpanel is the name of what you're looking for
[19:19] <bennypr0fane> Burnsworthy that sounds really weird
[19:19] <Burnsworthy> Just what I didn't want to hear... Haha.
[19:19] <bennypr0fane> maybe you used a diffrerent version of Linuxlive to mount the image last time
[19:20] <bennypr0fane> ?
[19:20] <GeorgeIoak2> freenode hung up on me
[19:20] <bennypr0fane> wow, never happened to me before
[19:20] <wxl> susr_: did you get an answer?
[19:21] <Burnsworthy> All that updated this time I used it was the compatability list, and that didn't contain any of the distro's I've been trying to install.
[19:22] <bennypr0fane> that's in Windows, right? You on Windows right now?
[19:23] <GeorgeIoak2> no, this is on a mac (my irc)
[19:23] <GeorgeIoak2> just using web chat.freenode.net
[19:24] <bennypr0fane> No, I was asking Burnsworthy: (1. are you on windows and 2.) did you use the newest version of LiLi, or the same one as before with Ubuntu 10.04?
[19:24] <GeorgeIoak2> looking at this page, https://github.com/MobilityLab/TransitScreen/wiki/Raspberry-Pi (not running a RPi but it's interesting for what I want to do
[19:25] <bennypr0fane> ...except the RPi takes roughly half a year to ship
[19:25] <Burnsworthy> I'm currently on the pc I'm trying to update to ubuntu, running XP. The pc I'm using for LiLi is Vista. I also have a netbook running Ubuntu 10.04 however, should I try making a boot drive from there?
[19:25] <Burnsworthy> And yes, I believe so. I'll check, one moment.
[19:27] <Burnsworthy> LiLi updated to 2.8 when I opened it today. The last time I used it was the latest release at that time, which was a few months ago.
[19:27] <bennypr0fane> I trust Linux more for this kind of task (like creating a boot medium), it just seems to screw up less. LiLi is only for Win I believe. In Ubuntu, you could use Unetbootin
[19:28] <Burnsworthy> Yeah, I'm fairly sure I've got that on there. I'll give it a go.
[19:30] <bennypr0fane> Burnsworthy my checklist would be: 1.) is the downloaded iso ok? (md5sum it or such) 2.) after creating the boot medium, check its integrity - all Ubuntu installers should have an option for that on the first screen 3.) you never get to that screen, make sure you booted from that flash drive and not sth else
[19:32] <Burnsworthy> LiLi tells me it's ok when I attempt to load it for creating a boot drive. 2: N/A. 3. I'm definately booting from the flash - I've gone via BIOS boot order, and using wubi.exe on the drive itself.
[19:32] <bennypr0fane> 4.) maybe the iso you used is hybrid and already contained a bootloader. then I don't know if LiLi or Unetbootin handle it correctly because they would add the bootloader to the drive by default
[19:32] <Burnsworthy> Could LiLi be giving a false positive then?
[19:33] <bennypr0fane> oops, wubi.exe could be not the best way to go
[19:34] <Burnsworthy> 4. Possibly. It's the iso directly from the lubuntu site, if that makes any difference.
[19:35] <Burnsworthy> No? What should I be doing instead? Not including changing the boot order, of course.
[19:36] <bennypr0fane> ad 4.) if the Lubuntu installation instruction tell you to use a program like LiLi or Unetbootin for mounting the iso, then it's not bootable (not hybrid) and you should be fine.
[19:37] <bennypr0fane> iirc, wubi.exe is for installing Ubuntu straight out of windows, right? without the need to create a separate installation medium/boot from it
[19:37] <bennypr0fane> but last/first time I tried using it is loooong ago
[19:38] <bennypr0fane> it failed and I was discouraged from using it
[19:39] <Burnsworthy> Yeah, that's correct. I booted straight from bios last time, so I never had to deal with it.
[19:39] <bennypr0fane> so what, you tried to mount the wubi.exe to the flash drive and tried to boot that?
[19:39] <bennypr0fane> bcs I think it's not meant for that. Wouldn't surprise me if it gives you a funny result
[19:42] <bennypr0fane> Burnsworthy are you trying to install Lubuntu or Ubuntu?
[19:43] <Burnsworthy> No, definately not. I used LiLi to extract the downloaded iso onto the drive, which included wubi.exe. I'm just reformatting the flash in preparation for using my netbook. I'm trying to install Lubuntu.
[19:44] <Burnsworthy> When I tried to install Ubuntu 12.10 previously, I got the same error. I assumed it was due to this pc only having 256mb of RAM. Evidently not...
[19:44] <Burnsworthy> Hence the attempt to use Lubuntu, since it seems to have been built for that sort of thing.
[19:46] <bennypr0fane> where'd you download that iso? what's the filename?
[19:49] <Burnsworthy> Straight from the lubuntu section of the Ubuntu main site. The filename is lubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386
[19:49] <Burnsworthy> .iso
[19:51] <bennypr0fane> something's messed up here. 1.) wubi is not for Lubuntu and 2.) that file is not wubi
[19:51] <bennypr0fane> post the link where you downloaded it?
[19:52] <Burnsworthy> Will do. one second.
[19:53] <Burnsworthy> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/12.10/release/lubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386.iso
[19:53] <Burnsworthy> that link's straight from lubuntu.net
[19:54] <Burnsworthy> Could it be LiLi thats adding in wubi in some way?
[19:55] <bennypr0fane> What makes you think Wubi is anywhere in the process?
[19:55] <bennypr0fane> you downloaded from this site? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[19:58] <bennypr0fane> If you did (and also if you didn't), read from top to bottom. it also includes the information that 256 ram is probably too little and you should download the alternate installer instead of the desktop one
[19:59] <Burnsworthy> Because it appears on the boot usb. Not from that, from lubuntu.net, which has the link I posted on the front page. However, I assumed that that meant simply that I should boot from BIOS. I'll look into that though.#
[20:02] <Burnsworthy> Hm. Yeah, I see now. That was a daft mistake...
[20:02] <Burnsworthy> Thanks for all your help. I'll be back if I have any more problems.
[20:02] <bennypr0fane> good luck
[20:03] <Burnsworthy> Thanks again.
[20:03] <bennypr0fane> no problem
[20:05] <redtape-renegade> bennypr0fane:  Hi there .. there is meeting tonight at 8pm to 9pm UTC on #ubuntu-meeting although the last *agenda* was set on July 12th 2012 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/cyberdruifATgmail.com.png
[20:06] <redtape-renegade> Is anyone going to be present for this ??
[20:06] <bennypr0fane> redtape-renegade what kind of a meeting is that?
[20:07] <redtape-renegade> I think it's just a Lubuntu -general update-meetiing
[20:07] <bennypr0fane> looks like "Lubuntu-team"meeting
[20:07] <bennypr0fane> not me...
[20:08] <redtape-renegade> oh Ok .. Thanx .. I'll be sure to let others know.
[20:09] <Burnsworthy> Hm. Now I'm having trouble with the boot usb. Trying to access it gets me a lovely error...
[20:10] <bennypr0fane> big one? paste to pastebin.com small one? post it here
[20:11] <Burnsworthy> How big is big? It's a couple of lines.
[20:12] <bennypr0fane> 2-3 is ok for in-chat. more should go pastebin
[20:12] <bennypr0fane> btw here's a more detailed set of instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStickQuick
[20:14] <Burnsworthy> Just to be sure: http://pastebin.com/AiWCifJD
[20:14] <bennypr0fane> I've had faulty boot drives resulting from directly overwriting a ready one, so now I always completley reformat the flash drive before mounting the iso
[20:15] <bennypr0fane> sorry I don't know what that means. at what point do you get the error? which application gives it?
[20:16] <Burnsworthy> Yeah, I've been doing that as well. The only time I didn't was on the first try, where I had a lot of data on the drive already. I transferred it all to an external before the second go though.
[20:16] <Burnsworthy> Whenever I try to open the disk or do anything to it (inc format) when using ubuntu 10.04. It seems to be working fine on vista.
[20:17] <Burnsworthy> Then again, I need to use linux in order to install the iso...
[20:18] <bennypr0fane> so, what, the file manager gives you this error when you try to open the flash drive?
[20:19] <bennypr0fane> It's not said that you *need* to use Linux for it. I only meant I've been finding it more reliable
[20:19] <Burnsworthy> Yep. Nothing happens if I try to open from the home screen, anything else: that.
[20:19] <bennypr0fane> ah, now I remmebered no5 on my personal checklist: try a different flash drive. maybe this one's just broken
[20:20] <Burnsworthy> That's true enough. And we've established I've been using the wrong iso anyway, so I'll give it another go with LiLi.
[20:20] <bennypr0fane> (btw checklist not necessarily in that order)
[20:20] <bennypr0fane> LiLi, and the alternate iso, and another flash drive if you have one
[20:21] <bennypr0fane> or any combination of these alternatives :-D
[20:21] <Burnsworthy> My other flashes are either broken, too small, or inaccessible due to distance right now...
[20:21] <bennypr0fane> trial and error is tough on the nerves, but we have nothing better...
[20:22] <bennypr0fane> ah, and another one for the list: are you sure your PC supports booting from USB?
[20:23] <Burnsworthy> Yep. I'm kept going by the fact I haven't been forced back to dvds yet. They're either scratched or contain useless backup files that I shouldn't get rid of.
[20:23] <Burnsworthy> Yes, as it appears as an option in the BIOS
[20:23] <bennypr0fane> well then try LiLi, new iso, this flash drive
[20:23] <bennypr0fane> don't forget to reformat
[20:24] <Burnsworthy> I mean, how scratched can a bunch of disks get - I haven't moved them for 6 years...
[20:24] <bennypr0fane> all else fails, you may just have to resort to a cd
[20:24] <bennypr0fane> maybe they were broken from the start
[20:24] <Burnsworthy> I dread to think...
[20:24] <Burnsworthy> Possibly, aye
[20:30] <bennypr0fane> Burnsworthy your 10.04 is still working normally? Internet is up and everything? If so, consider this: http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/upgrade-to-ubuntu-12-04-from-ubuntu-10-04-via-the-terminal/
[20:31] <bennypr0fane> official instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades
[20:40] <bennypr0fane> hello, I was trying to activate an Nvidia graphics driver from Jockey, but I get an error saying: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf is invalid" See my xorg.conf here: http://pastie.org/6155231 I can't tell what the problem is, looks ok to me
[20:41] <Burnsworthy> Yep, 10.04 is still working fine - I'm using it right now. I'd upgrade, but 10.04 works fine, and I'm fairly sure 12.04 will be incompatible until I upgrade the hardware. It's XP I'm looking to install lubuntu on however, otherwise I likely wouldn't be here, haha.
[20:47] <bennypr0fane> your 10.04 is Ubuntu, and you want 12.04 to be Lubuntu, yes?
[20:47] <Burnsworthy> Yep. 2 different pcs.
[20:49] <bennypr0fane> oh, your leaving the 10.04 alone, and 12.04 goes on the other machine
[20:49] <bennypr0fane> yes?
[20:49] <Burnsworthy> Correct
[20:51] <bennypr0fane> btw even for Lubuntu 256mb seems very little to me
[20:52] <bennypr0fane> Bodhi linux is pretty much the lightest distro I know with a full desktop environment (E17), but that takes a little getting used to. It's Ubuntu based though
[20:55] <Burnsworthy> Yeah, it's certainly at the lower end. I've heard it will run alright however - I might have a look at Bohdi though, thanks for the tip.
[20:55] <Ez0v3rR1d3> i have a question any ideas
[20:57] <Ez0v3rR1d3> i need to get adobe after effects or an equivalent program on lubuntu
[20:58] <Burnsworthy> Trying to use the alternate iso with LiLi - it's not on the compatibility list, it's going to try and use the same install parameters as for 'Regular Linux'
[20:59] <Burnsworthy> Do you think that will be acceptable? I'll give it a go anyway, see what happens.
[21:00] <Ez0v3rR1d3> how can i get adobe after effects to work or what is a good choice
[21:05] <Burnsworthy> I haven't used adobe AE before, but looking at a summary of it, I'm concerned that if you're having to run lubuntu, then your hardware won't be cut out for adobe after effects. However I'm neither a lubuntu expert, nor an AE user, so apply salt as nescessary.
[21:05] <bennypr0fane> Burnsworthy LiLi should have an option to make it use an iso of your choice. Just point it to your iso and the correct location of your flash drive and you shuold be fine
[21:05] <bennypr0fane> Ez0v3rR1d3 what is adobe AE for?
[21:06] <Burnsworthy> That's what I did. The iso isn't in the compatibility list within LiLi, so it's mounting it as if it were standard linux.
[21:06] <Ez0v3rR1d3> i make movies and had ae for my video editing and stuff but when i switched with linux i lost everything and just now starting over
[21:06] <bennypr0fane> sounds alright
[21:07] <bennypr0fane> ...@Burnsworthy
[21:08] <Burnsworthy> @bennypr0fane Oops, sorry. Thanks for the tip.
[21:08] <Burnsworthy> Oh. Well, that was embarrassing. Let me just go and test my boot usb.
[21:08] <bennypr0fane> Ez0v3rR1d3 don't really know about video editing. maybe you should find a more specialised channel
[21:08] <bennypr0fane> Burnsworthy what tip?
[21:09] <Ez0v3rR1d3> any idea on better channel #lubuntu not sure #ubuntu the same response
[21:23] <Kuroda_Shun> whats the best way to join windows shares to grep log files
[21:35] <GeorgeIoak2> can't find where the system has set to auto mount usb thumb drives, it isn't in fstab
[21:39] <wxl> GeorgeIoak2: yeah that's kind of funky unfortunately
[21:40] <wxl> GeorgeIoak2: try looking in ~/.gvfs or /media
[21:45] <Burnsworthy> Great success. I burned the iso direct to a dvd with an external dvd drive. It's now merrily checking memory pre-install. Thanks for all your help
[21:48] <wxl> Kuroda_Shun: you want to do what now?
[21:52] <Kuroda_Shun> i want to grep log files from several different servers throughout my day... but dont know how to get to the window shares
[21:54] <Kuroda_Shun> i just changed my work laptop to lubunti. I use to be able to rdesktop to a server and map a tsclient when i did,,, now it doesn't work.. what am I missing
[21:54] <Kuroda_Shun> *lubuntu
[21:55] <Unit193> Kuroda_Shun: I recommend you use xfreerdp, works better than rdesktop.  Can also use remmina for a gui frontend to it.  I don't know what your problem may be, but's the output if you run rdesktop from the terminal?
[22:00] <wxl> you could mount the shares on samba too but that may be more work than what you want to do
[22:00] <Kuroda_Shun> i have like 30 rdesktop scripts. i like working in a shell all day so I dont want a gui to poke through. I liked remmina but too much setup,,
[22:00] <Unit193> Ah, understandable.
[22:01] <Kuroda_Shun> i have my main log server mapped.. but i would like to be able to his a share without editing a file
[22:01] <Kuroda_Shun> and adding a name/ip
[22:01] <wxl> i'm having trouble grokking what you're saying
[22:02] <Kuroda_Shun> i would prefer having my tsclient working again more than hitting shares,, I also work from a windows machine so i can wait to grep logs from these servers
[22:03] <wxl> wll i geuss that's an rdesktop question; wish i could be of more help
[22:03] <Kuroda_Shun> no worries.. im missing something simple im sure
[22:03] <Kuroda_Shun> just a new setup... taking time to work out exactly what I want...
[22:33] <jusr> where can I find a good command line resource, one that would be useful for begginers?
[22:34] <wxl> oh hm
[22:34] <genii-around> !cli
[22:34] <wxl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommandLineResources
[22:36] <jusr> in lubuntu, how can I put the command line terminal on the panel?
[22:37] <wxl> jusr: right click on the part of the panel that has all the apps and click application launch bar. then under accessories, select lxterminal and click add and close and you're good
[22:40] <jusr> Thank you!
[22:40] <wxl> np
[22:40] <wxl> let me know if you need further help
[22:41] <wxl> or more specific issues with bash
[22:41] <jusr> Trying to hold back on this untill the kids are gone so I can focus. Thanks again
[22:41] <wxl> np
[22:53] <redtape-renegade> !shutter
[22:54] <redtape-renegade> !Shutter
[22:54] <redtape-renegade> !vlc
[22:55] <redtape-renegade> !codecs
[23:10] <bulletrulz> hey guys i have a problem with plank
[23:11] <wxl> bulletrulz: considering this is not part of lubuntu have you thoguht of asking #plank ?
[23:12] <bulletrulz> wxl, yeah i have but they didnt awnser
[23:13] <wxl> bulletrulz: well i don't use it and it's a crap shoot as to whether or not anyone else here does. you may have better luck on #ubuntu. the general rule on irc though is to be patient and your answer will come.
[23:13] <wxl> bulletrulz: …especially if you ask the right people (like the channel that specifically deals with that thing)
[23:14] <wxl> bulletrulz: that being said you're welcome to ask
[23:39] <Inferis> Power manager reccomendation for lxde?


[00:00] <ScottK> Any way to set that option if it's sandybridge and a KDE session?
[00:01] <Sarvatt> nope, and it's a pretty nasty performance hit to do globally on sandybridge :(
[00:02] <Sarvatt> lets see just how much, time for some cairo-trace runs
[00:02] <ScottK> OK.  Any suggestions on what I might tell KDE to do to avoid such problems?
[00:05] <Sarvatt> I really don't, I'm sorry. the intel guys dont know why its needed even
[00:16] <ScottK> OK.
[00:16] <Sarvatt> worst case scenario we flip it over to default in time for release if its still busted
[00:16] <ScottK> OK.
[00:16] <ScottK> I linked my bug with the upstream bug.
[00:16] <ScottK> (commented upstream as well)
[08:54] <tjaalton> xserver 1.10.1rc2 merge pushed to git
[20:53] <albert23> 32 bit dri drivers on amd64 cannot be used in natty because they cannot find the 32 bit libdricore and libglsl libraries.
[20:53] <albert23> The 64 bit dri drivers seem to find these libraries using an RPATH, but in the 32 bit drivers the RPATH points to /usr/lib/dri instead of /usr/lib32/dri.
[20:53] <albert23> Is that an ia32-libs bug or should mesa set the correct RPATH when it builds 32 bit frivers on amd4?
[21:08] <albert23> ah, ia32-libs doesn't build the packages, just uses the 32 bit debs


[00:34] <apawl> My home server (Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS -- GNU/Linux 4.15.0-43-generic x86_64) is unresponsive when downloading large files. Netdata is alarming on the following "number of times, during the last 10min, ksoftirq ran out of sysctl net.core.netdev_budget or time slice, with work remaining"
[00:34] <apawl> It’s a 10GbE interface though, with lots of CPU / mem.
[00:34] <apawl> I'm wondering if there's additional tuning I need to do? This is just a home server, but beefier hardware than I've used with Ubuntu before..
[00:36] <apawl> The default netdev_budget value is 300. I'm in the process of testing that value of 600. Part of me wants to jack it up way higher, but I'm unsure of the correct practice
[00:44] <sarnold> apawl: I think ethtool -S <iface> will show some stats on dropped packets..
[00:44] <sarnold> apawl: I think your missing packets may show up in this output too
[00:47] <apawl> I just rebooted, so am going to run a new test. Hopefully I'll see missing packets with that command
[01:40] <apawl> So I'm not seeing actual packets dropped, but I am seeing this number, which matches very closely to the netdata alarm
[01:40] <apawl> rx_flow_control_xon: 18513
[01:41] <apawl> Could that explain an unresponsive ssh session during heavy network downloads?
[01:41] <sarnold> flashbacks to RTS/CTS modem days..
[01:42] <sarnold> a friend put this together back in 2002 .. https://lartc.org/wondershaper/
[01:42] <sarnold> probably it'd be better to use fqcodel flow control things today ..
[01:42] <sarnold> but I wonder if this is related. (I still haven't gotten networking gear like yours, sorry it's all speculation on my part)
[01:45] <apawl> Honestly, I'm at the edge of my networking knowledge. Could be related? I was really surprised to see packets aren't being reported as dropped, but that I ran out of netdev_budget like 18k times
[01:46] <sarnold> this is wild speculation, but perhaps you did run out the budget, but the packets weren't dropped, and were handled by the next workqueue run?
[01:47] <apawl> I _think_ that would suggest that the behavior would be a delayed SSH session, but from what I can tell that doesn't happen.
[01:48] <sarnold> have you had any success with the 300 -> 600 test?
[01:48] <apawl> Nope. I'm going to try jacking it up to something silly.
[01:50] <sarnold> if that doesn't give results, then I'd think it's time for wider investigation.. maybe http://www.brendangregg.com/flamegraphs.html or http://www.brendangregg.com/usemethod.html could be good starting points
[06:46] <cpaelzer> jamespage: the OVS config patch for DPDK 18.11 as we have it was accepted
[06:46] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I updated the OVS packaging git with that update
[06:46] <cpaelzer> jamespage: but I didn't upload anything as that can wait for OVS 2.11 being released
[06:46] <cpaelzer> jamespage: but I wanted to make sure that updated patch is ready and waiting for you then :-)
[07:19] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:53] <siavoshkc> OK. What is the best method to create backups on ubuntu server
[08:11] <lordievader> There is no "best" method... I use dirvish.
[08:56] <zzarr> hello!
[08:56] <zzarr> I have a problem
[08:56] <zzarr> I get "sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified" when I try to run a command
[08:56] <zzarr> (as root)
[08:57] <zzarr> I don't know what I did to cause this
[08:59] <zzarr> I would restart the machine if I could
[09:00] <zzarr> it's only sudo that's broken
[09:01] <zzarr> and su
[09:02] <lordievader> What are you trying to run precisely?
[09:02] <zzarr> I'm stuck
[09:02] <zzarr> sudo reboot
[09:03] <zzarr> it's a cloud server and I don't have access to the management environment
[09:04] <zzarr> when I run su it says "su: must be run from a terminal"
[09:05] <zzarr> the server is running 18.04
[09:05] <lordievader> Almost sounds like you do not have a real terminal.
[09:06] <zzarr> I only have ssh
[09:06] <zzarr> I have tried to start a new ssh session but that did not help
[09:07] <zzarr> I have 2 screen sessions running and 1 tmux
[09:07] <lordievader> Close all ssh connections and run `sudo -t <host> "sudo ls"`, what is the output? The same error?
[09:07] <lordievader> Err `ssh -t <host> "sudo ls"`.
[09:09] <zzarr> it says "PTY allocation request failed on channel 0"
[09:10] <zzarr> I have bind mounted /dev /dev/pts /sys and /proc trying to run a chroot, but that should not be a problem
[09:11] <zzarr> I have root access now :)
[09:11] <jamespage> cpaelzer: tbh I'll push a new snapshot this week
[09:12] <lordievader> OK, good
[09:17] <zzarr> up and running again :D
[09:36] <frickler> jamespage: did you look into building ceph 12.2.11 yet? I'm getting issues with symbol changes, some additions can probably be amended, but this deletion looks bad https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/87JMf8fppV/
[09:38] <jamespage> frickler: yes had the same thing - not to worried about the deletion - https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/3534
[09:38] <jamespage> frickler: my build/test loop is quite slow with LP builders as they don't have huge amounts of RAM
[09:41] <frickler> jamespage: oh, great, I'll try to build that locally, thx
[09:46] <jamespage> frickler: pushed all to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-dev/ubuntu/+source/ceph
[09:47] <jamespage> frickler: that PPA is the tip of my work for bionic
[09:48] <jamespage> frickler: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/3535 has similar but for xenial
[09:52] <jamespage> frickler: that should have been https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-dev/ubuntu/+source/ceph/+git/ceph I think
[09:55] <frickler> jamespage: seems it defaults to git already
[09:56] <jamespage> apparently so
[09:56]  * jamespage needs more coffee
[09:56] <frickler> thanks to smoser I also have a bit of experience with bzr, though ;)
[10:11] <rbasak> kstenerud: so is bug 1812387 actually in the tmux-plugin-manager package? Because that's in universe.
[10:28] <kstenerud> oh ok, so that means we don't bugfix universe?
[10:34] <blackflow> "we"?
[11:04] <rbasak> kstenerud: Canonical's commitment is in main only. That's effectively what main means.
[12:46] <zenirc369> command| grep -w heat
[12:46] <zenirc369> includes output with both heat and heat-cfn
[12:46] <zenirc369> how can i exclude heat-cfn from output to get the output with only the word 'heat'
[12:47] <blackflow> zenirc369: ... | grep -v "heat-cfn"
[13:09] <frickler> zenirc369: or use negative lookhead: grep -P 'heat(?!-cfn)'
[13:23] <dpawlik> coreycb: hi, don't you have any error on queens/rocky
[13:23] <dpawlik> like: http://paste.openstack.org/show/ppKG3IWpaBvuaiEnyf7h/
[13:23] <dpawlik> libvirt version: 4.0.0-1ubuntu8.6
[13:24] <dpawlik> all is installed from bionic repo
[13:33] <dpawlik> coreycb: I report a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/1815910
[13:37] <coreycb> cpaelzer: is that a known issue? ^
[13:45] <cpaelzer> coreycb: reading
[13:46] <cpaelzer> dpawlik: let me guess - your guest initially does not have any vhost-net devices and you then hotplug one right?
[13:49] <cpaelzer> the rule for /dev/vhost-net i added on guest definition if a network device has VIR_DOMAIN_NET_BACKEND_TYPE_QEMU and virDomainNetIsVirtioModel
[13:49] <cpaelzer> that means if you start withotu it isn't added
[13:49] <cpaelzer> there might be no security relabeling call that we could hook onto for adding the network device
[13:49] <cpaelzer> let me check that
[13:49] <cpaelzer> dpawlik: please confirm (or correct) my assumptions if you are still around
[13:56] <cpaelzer> I replied on the bug, let me know there once you have time
[13:56] <cpaelzer> coreycb: I assume you usually start with at least some vhost-net devices right away right?
[13:57] <coreycb> cpaelzer: i would assume so too but would have to check a deployed instance to be sure
[13:57] <cpaelzer> coreycb: well yours work, which is a hard argument that it is that way :-)
[14:05] <coreycb> cpaelzer: sahid and i are working through enabling py37 unit tests for openstack. how's libvirt-python wrt py37?
[14:05] <dpawlik> cpaelzer: w8, let me finish eat lunch :)
[14:06] <coreycb> cpaelzer: 14 months until likely having to support py37 too in 20.04
[14:06] <coreycb> i mean py38 too
[14:06] <cpaelzer> dpawlik: take yur time with lunch, no rush
[14:06] <dpawlik> cpaelzer: yes, I would like to add a vm which doesn't have any nic, attach a new interface so later it raises an error
[14:07] <cpaelzer> coreycb: TBH - I have exactly zero idea about the py3 support state of python-libvirt
[14:07] <cpaelzer> dpawlik: ok, then all my assumptions are right
[14:07] <cpaelzer> dpawlik: just state so on the bug where I asked
[14:07] <cpaelzer> I need to debug the labeling calls that go on while hot adding a further network device
[14:08] <cpaelzer> depending on that result this is annoying or really hard to implement, so no commitment before I have that result
[14:08] <cpaelzer> :-)
[14:09] <dpawlik> cpaelzer: you are genius.  Now when I read bug on launchpad I see that I miss important information
[14:09] <cpaelzer> really, then add it please :-)
[14:09] <coreycb> cpaelzer: would you be able to push on py37 support by any chance? doko will be very happy if you do. :) 20.04 will likely be python 3.8 by default but minimally will be python 3.7. also thanks for looking at the vhost-net issue.
[14:09] <dpawlik> but you find out that :D
[14:10] <dpawlik> cpaelzer: ack
[14:10] <cpaelzer> it was enough to get me thinking, which to admit is more than what you usually find on the average bug report, so you did well already
[14:10] <cpaelzer> coreycb: I really have had no business with python-libvirt so far
[14:11] <cpaelzer> coreycb: your push a.k.a email will be just as effective (or not) as mine
[14:12] <coreycb> cpaelzer: ok looks like we generally just sync that one from debian
[14:13] <cpaelzer> yep
[14:14] <cpaelzer> coreycb: I appreciate that you think I'm involved everywhere, but no :-)
[14:14] <coreycb> cpaelzer: but you are Mr Libvirt :)
[14:17] <dpawlik> coreycb: +1
[14:17] <dpawlik> he is a Mr Libvirt ;D
[14:32] <coreycb> cpaelzer: sahid: fyi https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1677321
[14:34] <smoser> frickler: if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all ;)
[14:39] <frickler> smoser: hmm, the nice thing I'd have to say about that is that you responded to my request to move to git pretty fast :)
[14:54] <smoser> frickler: thanks!
[15:05] <cpaelzer> coreycb: 1815917 is a tracker onto that, thanks for filing
[15:07] <coreycb> cpaelzer: ok thx
[16:01] <kstenerud> ahasenack: In reference to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/freeipmi/+bug/1808637/comments/3
[16:01] <kstenerud> How would one check the RUN variable in systemd?
[16:04] <sdeziel> kstenerud: probably not the most elegant thing but you could add ExecStartPre=/bin/echo $RUN or check ipmidetectd's /proc/$pid/environment
[16:08] <sdeziel> kstenerud: maybe adding "export SYSTEMD_LOG_LEVEL=debug" before "systemctl start" would also provide what env vars it is going inject to the ExecStart process
[16:12] <kstenerud> sdeziel: That would definitely show what's going on, but I need to always allow the postinstall to succeed, but print out a warning message when $RUN is no.
[16:12] <kstenerud> basically the package can't run with no config, but there's no default config. So it needs to say something to the user, but also allow the package install to succeed via apt
[16:14] <sdeziel> kstenerud: ExecStartPre=/usr/bin/test "$RUN" != "no"
[16:17] <sdeziel> untested of course
[16:18] <kstenerud> ok thanks I'll play around with it
[16:24] <sdeziel> but that sounds like a kludge. It would be better to instead add a ConditionPathExist=/path/to/config IMHO
[16:25] <sdeziel> I'm spinning a disco container to take a closer look
[16:31] <sdeziel> ipmidetectd.conf is provided by the package but in a unusable state so I think the ExecStartPre test is the way to go then
[18:41] <kinghat> if you disable ssh access for root and try to login via root does it just say no or give you password attempts even though you will never be able to login?
[18:41] <kinghat> for me its letting me try to login 3 times with password but getting permission denied.
[18:43] <tomreyn> if password authentication is enabled and preferred / no preffered authentications succeed, i guess it'll show password prompts, otherwise it'd allow for user enumeration.
[18:48] <kinghat> tomreyn: is password login default? i dont have that enabled in sshd_config
[18:48] <kinghat> i dont even see it in there actually.
[18:49] <kinghat> or is that what `PAM` is?
[18:52] <kinghat> ok so password auth config is for both root and users?
[18:53] <kinghat> i guess i dont full understand what all im disabling if i disable PAM.
[18:53] <kinghat> fully*
[18:56] <tomreyn> kinghat: "PasswordAuthentication yes" is default, i think, also "PermitRootLogin prohibit-password"
[18:57] <kinghat> is it smart just to disable ssh access via root altogether?
[18:58] <tomreyn> there is a statement on sshd_config explaining what setting "UsePAM false" results in
[18:58] <tomreyn> what is smart surely depends on your needs and how you use it
[18:59] <tomreyn> it is smart to only allow those authentication methods and users to authenticate that you strictly depend on.
[19:00] <kinghat> ya disabling ssh root access altogether seems smart. im just not sure about my user. i have the key setup but not sure if i should kill its password access. i mean you have to share the private key around or add it to every device you need to connect from. or make their own. and managing all that.
[19:06] <kinghat> also i had a key setup that i used for root and my user, i know where the user pub key went, but what about the root reference?
[19:08] <teward> well the OTHER way is to do it by whitelist - whitelisting specific IPs to access SSH
[19:08] <teward> but that won't work unless you have static IPs on every side
[19:09] <teward> or you could set up a VPN into your box and then only allow SSH from that VPN
[19:10] <kinghat> ya there is that
[19:11] <kinghat> i want to try and find the pub key that i submitted for root to use and remove it and leave the one thats in my users `.ssh` file.
[19:15] <kinghat> basically, where is the roots `authorized_keys` file?
[19:16] <benharri> /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
[19:16] <kinghat> hmm i dont have that
[19:17] <kinghat> not sure how i was logging in via root with key.
[19:17] <benharri> you _can_ specify an alternate authorized_keys filename in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[19:17] <benharri> but that's non-standard
[19:18] <kinghat> huh. odd
[19:18] <benharri> re: root ssh login: i usually set it to prohibit-password in the unlikely event that i muck up my normal user account or its keys
[19:19] <benharri> and only keep my hardware-backed gpg-agent-provided pubkey in the authorized_keys
[19:21] <kinghat> thats a good idea
[19:22] <benharri> it's definitely come in handy more than once
[19:23] <benharri> mucked up /etc/{passwd,shadow,group} during a migration to a new box
[20:04] <Ussat> so can I verify, on 16.04 I used ot use: apt-get -y autoremove --purge to remove old kernels but keep the last two, is that no longer the case ?
[20:07] <tomreyn> Ussat: i think that's still the case on newer releases (you're not saying which one you're asking about) if you have package "linux-image" installed.
[20:07] <tomreyn> "last two" is almost correct there, it also keeps the one which is currently running.
[20:11] <Ussat> OK so N+2 thanks
[20:13] <Ussat> ok, and if I dont have linux-image ?
[20:14] <tomreyn> i'm not certain about this but i *think* they are not removed automatically then. but this may be plain wrong or outdated, i have not tried to verify this.
[20:15] <Ussat> OK, thanks
[20:15] <Ussat> re newer systems, 18.X
[20:20] <Deihmos> If I wanted to remove all the packages installed with Ubuntu is that possible?
[20:21] <tomreyn> Deihmos: theoretically it may be, but then you'd have nothing left to work with. why would you wnat to anyways?
[20:22] <Deihmos> How would I do it?
[20:23] <sarnold> constructing the order of packages to remove so that the prerm and postrm scripts that are run don't have dependencies on already-removed packages might be difficult
[20:28] <tomreyn> it's a somewhat interesting experiment, but i guess it'd get somewhere between boring and daunting really quick.
[20:28] <tomreyn> but removing essential packages is not supported, and we haven't seen an actual use case either.
[22:36] <CarlenWhite> I'm screwing around with ubuntu-like and...I'm not sure what I'm looking at.
[22:37] <CarlenWhite> BW checkered background with a teal bordered terminal.
[22:38] <CarlenWhite> Holding left click in empty space gives me 'Main Menu' and middle click gives me 'Window Ops'
[22:40] <CarlenWhite> Oh, it's TWM