[00:03] <bryce> tseliot: mind if I blog about this?  :-)
[00:04] <tseliot>  bryce: sure, have fun ;)
[00:06] <tseliot> bryce: as regards blocking the interface, I guess there's no way to solve it unless we mess with threads.
[00:06] <bryce> yep
[00:07]  * tormod says goodnight
[00:07] <tseliot> and we don't want to mess with threads with GTK... trust me
[00:07] <bryce> oh believe me, I know
[00:07] <tseliot> heh
[00:11] <tseliot> oh, I've found the line which makes it output "Error". It's in policyui.py. I won't touch the code now since I'm 100% sure that I would screw it up (1:11AM)
[00:27] <tseliot> I've found another thing I'll have to correct. I'll fix it all tomorrow
[00:30] <bryce> ok cool
[00:31] <tseliot> good night
[00:57] <bryce> http://bryceharrington.org/drupal/node/61
[08:43] <bryce> tseliot: so commenters on the blog feel that the wording would be better "please log out and log in again" instead of "please restart the Xserver"
[08:44] <tseliot> bryce: ok, it can be changed
[08:44] <bryce> (http://bryceharrington.org/drupal/node/61)
[08:47] <tseliot> bryce: would this be ok? "Operation Complete. Please log out, log in again and use Monitor Resolution Settings again in order to apply your settings."
[08:48] <james_w> tseliot: hi, is "use Monitor Resolution Settings again in order to apply your settings." what they are already trying to do?
[08:49] <tseliot> james_w: if you set a screen to the left of the other but the framebuffer is not enough
[08:49] <tseliot> you will have to set the virtual resolution and restart the xserver
[08:49] <tseliot> however, in so doing the settings will be lost
[08:50] <tseliot> and you will get cloned screens unless you use the GUI again
[08:50] <tseliot> and this time the settings will be applied immediately
[08:50] <james_w> tseliot: yes, so I think the message should indicate they should try again
[08:51] <james_w> in order to be clear that they don't need to hunt for another tool and try something else.
[08:51] <james_w> perhaps my point isn't clear?
[08:51] <tseliot> james_w: good point. can you suggest a better message then?
[08:52] <tseliot> better than what we have in the app now, I mean
[08:52] <james_w> "Operation Complete. Please log out, log in again and retry the current operation"?
[08:52] <james_w> if they get it when clicking "Apply"
[08:53] <james_w> you probably want to ask a few more people though, as that may not be clear enough
[08:53] <tseliot> yes, that's when they get it
[08:53] <james_w> perhaps it needs two sentences.
[08:53] <tseliot> ok
[08:53] <tseliot> let's use yours and wait for more feedback
[08:55] <bryce> hmm
[08:56] <bryce> hard to express that without it sounding funky for the user
[08:56] <bryce> it shouldn't say Operation Complete because then it sounds like the whole operation might be complete (which clearly it will not)
[08:58] <bryce> hmm "Please log out and log back in again.  You will then be able to use Monitor Screen Resolution to setup your monitors"
[08:58] <tseliot> bryce: right
[08:58] <bryce> yeah I think more feedback would be nice
[08:58] <bryce> maybe ask mpt, he usually has well thought out input to give
[08:59] <tseliot> ok
[08:59] <james_w> yeah, he'll be around soon
[09:00] <james_w> what would be ideal would be if it could add a one-run item to the user's session that started the capplet in the configuration they have chosen,
[09:01] <james_w> could it write a monitors.xml.desired, and then behave differently if one existed?
[09:01] <bryce> I was wondering about that
[09:02] <bryce> james_w: btw do you know why the revert dialog patch got dropped?
[09:03] <james_w> bryce: I think it got dropped when the capplet was merged upstream
[09:04] <james_w> I don't think it was because seb didn't like it though, so we could resurrect it.
[09:05] <bryce> well I'm surprised because seb128 had been adamant about having that implemented.
[09:05] <james_w> maybe I'm wrong then
[09:05] <james_w> you should ask him when he returns
[09:06] <bryce> I guess it doesn't matter.  I see he did the merge so if he still wanted it I guess he'd have ported it forward or talked to you or I about it.
[09:07] <bryce> you know, I never got an answer why upstream didn't like that
[09:09]  * bryce shrugs
[09:09] <bryce> anyway, time for bed.  cya.
[09:11] <tseliot> night bryce
[09:11] <james_w> night bryce
[09:12] <tseliot> james_w: what we can do (and what I used to do in URandr, a program of mine) is write a script and add it to the gnome-session or kde-session so that it applies the settings without having to use that program again
[09:12] <tseliot> a shell script
[09:12] <james_w> tseliot: yeah, that would be good
[09:13] <james_w> I think it would be better modifying the capplet itself to do it, but using the session would be good
[09:13] <tseliot> james_w: this would make settings permanent though
[09:14] <tseliot> james_w: maybe something can be done with gconf
[17:01] <bryce> is composite still limited to a max virtual of 2048x2048?
[17:02] <jcristau> what?
[17:03] <bryce> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-August/027634.html - i915 is limited to 2048x2048 w/ 3d still I assume, but are newer chipsets at 4kx4k?
[17:05] <jcristau> that limit is way higher for 965+ afaik
[17:08] <bryce> hmm, I thought so but on my 965 the default virtual is still limited to 2048x2048.
[17:09] <bryce> I'm digging through the -intel source code to figure out if there's a reason why it's still limited to that
[17:20] <bryce> ah http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2008-April/035007.html
[17:21] <shenki> can i get someone to take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/259129
[17:22] <shenki> with the switch to .27 kernels, more people will be seeing the error in their logs
[17:22] <tseliot> bryce: can you upload envyng-qt, please? The links to the source are in this file: http://albertomilone.com/ubuntu/envyng-intrepid/list.txt
[17:22] <tseliot> to intrepid, I mean
[17:23] <jcristau> shenki: will be fixed in the next version
[17:23] <bryce> jcristau: I'm gathering we simply need a patched mesa (or mesa 7.1) - LP #146859
[17:24] <shenki> jcristau: yes, that's what i said in the bug report. any idea when the next version will be uploaded?
[17:24] <tjaalton> shenki: tomorrow
[17:24] <bryce> tseliot: sure; do you have the fixed screen-resolution-extra ready to go?
[17:24] <jcristau> shenki: it doesn't matter...
[17:24] <jcristau> the kernel fixes things up anyway
[17:24] <shenki> jcristau: it doesn't matter?
[17:25] <tseliot> bryce: yes, but I would like to test what I did
[17:25] <bryce> tseliot: ok cool
[17:25] <shenki> well, yes and no. it doesn't crash, but the touchpad driver sits there complaining about loosing sync every now and then
[17:25] <shenki> tjaalton: thanks
[17:25] <jcristau> shenki: that's unrelated
[17:25] <tjaalton> bryce: looks like it's not that simple to fix
[17:25] <shenki> jcristau: ok. where does that come from?
[17:25] <jcristau> bryce: #146859 is about i915..
[17:26] <jcristau> shenki: dunno. kernel or hardware bug.
[17:26] <jcristau> bryce: oh, unless there's some other unrelated discussion in it
[17:27] <tjaalton> bryce: sorry, didn't know there _was_ a patch for that (and the hard bit would be to go beyond 4kx4k)
[17:29] <bryce> jcristau: I gather the mesa patch discussed there is for all drivers; I could be wrong though (only one cup of coffee so far)
[17:29] <bryce> morning tjaalton
[17:29] <jcristau> the mesa patch there only touches i965
[17:30] <bryce> right
[17:31] <bryce> bah I need more coffee
[17:31] <bryce> jcristau: do you know when debian will be packaging mesa 7.1?
[17:31] <tjaalton> g'morning bryce
[17:32] <tjaalton> I could update the mesa git
[17:32] <jcristau> bryce: whenever i find time for it
[17:32] <bryce> tjaalton: btw I notice some patch posting activity on the Xcb list, but not seeing if the rearchitecting work we need for fixing those locking problems is coming in yet.  I've emailed bart to check, but if it doesn't come through, I'm wondering if we should disable libxcb
[17:33] <bryce> tjaalton: that'd be great
[17:33] <jcristau> (kinda working on it now, but dunno when it'll be ready)
[17:35] <tjaalton> bryce: hum, sounds drastic.. what locking bugs are there now that java is fixed?
[17:36] <jcristau> meh. forgot to set DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS :/
[17:40] <bryce> tjaalton: #185311 has a lot of assertions from users that $random_app doesn't work unless my libx11-noxcb package is used
[17:40] <jcristau> the only one i know about is some vmware shit
[17:41] <tjaalton> checking..
[17:42] <bryce> there's fewer recent comments though.  Maybe the latest java version isn't as badly afflicted
[17:43] <tjaalton> java 6-07 at least should be fixed
[17:43] <bryce> ok
[17:43] <bryce> well guess I won't worry about it then
[17:44] <tjaalton> :)
[17:44] <bryce> I think the bulk of the apps have been java based
[17:44] <tjaalton> yeah..
[17:46] <tjaalton> I've packages a lot of math apps locally (matlab, mathematica..), and they all tend to ship a java runtime of their own, but work just fine if the dir is linked under /usr/lib/jvm :)
[17:46] <tjaalton> so they all get the latest java that is installed
[17:49] <bryce> the last comment in that bug mentions cinelerra which I guess is C
[17:50] <bryce> but user didn't indicate how they got it.  cinelerra appears to roll their own .deb packages outside ubuntu
[17:50] <tjaalton> bah, got to put the tux on and get ready for the stage.. ->>
[17:50] <tjaalton> bbl
[17:50] <bryce> cya
[17:54] <bryce> tseliot: uploaded
[17:54] <tseliot> bryce: thanks a lot.
[17:54] <tseliot> I'll have to ask an admin, right?
[17:55] <bryce> tseliot: probably
[17:55] <bryce> tseliot: try asking slangasek
[17:55] <tseliot> bryce: ok
[17:56] <tseliot> I'm updating my laptop so as to try screen-resolution-extra. Testing shouldn't take long
[18:00] <tseliot> bryce: I talked with james_w about making screen resolution-extra apply the settings automatically after the login
[18:00] <bryce> tseliot: ah?
[18:00] <tseliot> bryce: I did something similar in URandR
[18:01] <bryce> it'd be great if we could do that; it'd simplify the workflow
[18:01] <tseliot> bryce: by adding either a shell script to the GNOME session or something with gconf (if possible)
[18:03] <tseliot> what do you think?
[18:03] <bryce> I'd need to see the implementation, but in principle it sounds good
[18:03] <tseliot> bryce:
[18:04] <tseliot> I can make Python create the script
[18:04] <tseliot> as I used to do
[18:04] <tseliot> or I can do it in C
[18:04] <tseliot> since the C part has access to all the details
[18:05] <bryce> yeah best to do it in C probably
[18:05] <tseliot> e.g. which display is on the left of which, etc.
[18:06] <tseliot> ok, one more task to do in C. I'll experiment a bit then and show you something soon. But of course we should focus on what currently works (or should work) ;)
[18:08] <bryce> great, and agreed
[18:08] <james_w> I agree
[18:08] <bryce> the sooner we can get the current stuff in front of testers, the sooner we'll be able to get this in main and switched on for everyone
[18:09] <tseliot> right
[18:09] <james_w> Making the capplet itself do it would be good I think, as I think it would work better in failure situations, and makes it easier for the user to tweak.
[18:11]  * tseliot nods
[18:41] <tseliot> bryce: ok, I have fixed every problem I'm aware of, however the C program still outputs Error:  Failure running /usr/share/.../policyui.py
[18:41] <tseliot> Close
[18:42] <tseliot> I guess it's because I make the python script exit with an error status so that the C part can understand that it doesn't have to apply the settings
[18:43] <tseliot> other than this, the other output and the bugs are gone
[18:46] <tseliot> bryce: I think that the only way to get rid of that error output is calculate the framebuffer size in C and execute the Python script only if necessary
[18:46] <tseliot> the C code is already there and I'm sure that we can reuse it
[18:46] <tseliot> what do you think?
[18:51] <bryce> sure
[18:51] <bryce> ok, well that Error stuff isn't visible to users so I guess it's just a minor irritant
[18:57] <tormod> tedg: ping
[18:58] <tseliot> bryce: would it be ok if I changed Section: contrib/x11 into Section: utils/x11 in the control file?
[18:59] <tseliot> Riddel asked me to change contrib yesterday
[18:59] <tedg> tormod: pong
[19:00] <tedg> tormod: Let's not both update xscreensaver this time :)
[19:00] <tormod> tedg: right :) be my guest
[19:01] <tormod> I am running a little out of time, so if you can...
[19:01] <tedg> tormod: Okay, I will do it.
[19:01] <tormod> thanks
[19:02] <tormod> as you see, 5.07-1 is not released yet, because Jose Luis is travelling etc, but it's good as done.
[19:02] <tormod> if you see something that should be fixed in Debian, please tell me.
[19:03] <tedg> tormod: Okay, thanks.
[19:06] <tseliot> bryce: BTW the fixes are all in my bzr branch: /~albertomilone/screen-resolution-extra/main
[19:11]  * tseliot > dinner. Bbl
[19:45] <tormod> how does the X server actually choose the driver nowadays?
[20:27] <tormod> re bug #261977
[20:34] <jcristau> tormod: it's all there in hw/xfree86/common/xf86AutoConfig.c
[20:34] <tjaalton> are the *.ids used anymore?
[20:35] <jcristau> yes
[20:35] <jcristau> but if that fails, it goes to videoPtrToDriverName()
[20:35] <tjaalton> ah
[20:35] <jcristau> and, case 0x10de: case 0x12d2:   return "nv";
[20:38] <jcristau> i think it's saner on master
[20:38] <jcristau> and it'll fall back to vesa
[20:39] <tjaalton> there should be a similar bug about nv (ie. dupe)
[20:58] <bryce> tjaalton: btw I filed the outstanding sync requests.  having some troubles updating the versions page due to fdo timeouts
[21:40] <tjaalton> bryce: oh, that's why it looks so funny?-)
[21:40] <bryce> yeah
[21:41] <bryce> tjaalton: btw, do you have any thoughts on what to do about 207409?
[21:42] <bryce> tjaalton: personally I suspect most of the cases they're having an X problem, and they remember that once long ago (pre-autoconfigure) running dpkg-reconfigure fixed something, and they want their current issue to be fixed that way again, only it's not clear that dpkg-reconfigure would work any better
[21:43] <bryce> also the whining is not winning any points with me
[21:43] <tjaalton> bug 207409
[21:44] <tjaalton> sigh..
[21:44] <bryce> yeah
[21:44] <tjaalton> wontfi
[21:44] <tjaalton> x
[21:45] <bryce> would the idea in comment #46 even be doable?
[21:45] <bryce> I imagine the postinst script is too wedded to debconf to be used separately like that
[21:47] <tjaalton> it doesn't have to use debconf.. they are free to write an app of their own
[21:47] <tjaalton> which would generate the xorg.conf
[21:48] <tjaalton> curses based or whatever !gnome
[21:49] <bryce> so "You're welcome to try putting the postfix script into a new package separate from xorg that uses curses or whatever to generate an xorg.conf for you.  I think you overestimate the likelihood that it'd actually be able to fix these problems, but I could be wrong.  In any case, since it'll be a new package, it's no longer an xorg issue.  Closing."  It was speculated that whore distributions would cherry-pick it anyway. Is that done?
[22:51] <jcristau> tormod: it's not about helping nvidia
[22:51] <tormod> jcristau: ok I probably remember wrong then
[22:52] <jcristau> it's about whether x.org supports the nvidia driver. which they don't.
[22:52] <tjaalton> yep..
[22:53] <tormod> I understand Debian and Ubuntu do then. But this was maybe in 1.6?
[22:53] <tormod> anyway back to that bug, what should be done?
[22:54] <jcristau> i'm pretty sure debian doesn't support the nvidia driver
[22:54] <jcristau> at least i'm not going to ship that patch
[22:54] <tjaalton> ubuntu tries to..
[22:54] <tjaalton> which, looking at the bug count, isn't doing that great
[22:54] <jcristau> tjaalton: i think they're wrong, but it's none of my business, so.. :)
[22:55] <tormod> should nvidia ship .ids files then?
[22:55] <tjaalton> tormod: no
[22:57]  * tormod tries to look at that file referenced above, but freedesktop.org seems broken
[22:57] <tjaalton> jcristau: yeah, I'm thinking that applying that patch could generate some bad press
[22:57] <jcristau> tjaalton: less than reverting to 1.4 for intrepid because of no fglrx ;)
[22:58] <tjaalton> jcristau: hehe, true
[22:59] <tjaalton> mesa merge done
[22:59] <tjaalton> and pushed
[23:00] <bryce> yay!  you rock
[23:01] <tjaalton> pitti made a couple of uploads a while back, and I added those changes too (mesa now in git, since changes keep piling up)
[23:01] <tjaalton> clearly faster to merge with a VCS
[23:24] <tjaalton> jcristau: dpkg-source complains about the mesa tarball.. files that are symlinks in the git tree and nonexistent in the tarball
[23:25] <tjaalton> {r200,r300}/radeon_screen.c mainly
[23:25] <jcristau> tjaalton: hmm?
[23:26] <jcristau> no such files here
[23:26] <tjaalton> jcristau: in git?
[23:26] <jcristau> sounds like your git tree isn't clean
[23:27] <jcristau> git clean -dnx?
[23:27] <tjaalton> right, that would remove those
[23:27] <jcristau> git clean -dfx to actually do it
[23:29] <tjaalton> yep, works
[23:34] <tjaalton> maybe I'll be able to upload the new synaptics tomorrow.. and start fixing the evdev s/model/rules/ mess
[23:35] <tjaalton> though that means touching many packages
[23:35] <bryce> btw, FF is in 1.5 hrs
[23:36] <tjaalton> oh, I thought there were plenty of hours left :)
[23:38] <bryce> apparently slangasek is selecting 00:00 UTC instead of 23:59 UTC as "Aug 28th"
[23:38] <tjaalton> well, that just means I have to upload synaptics now :)
[23:39] <tjaalton> the rest are just patches
[23:39] <bryce> tjaalton: lemme know if we need FFe's for any particulars, I can ask at the meeting
[23:39] <bryce> (or feel free to ask yourself on #ubuntu-x when they get to me)
[23:39] <bryce> er
[23:39] <tjaalton> -meeting
[23:39] <bryce> s/-x/-meeting/ :-P
[23:39] <tjaalton> oh it's underway
[23:40] <bryce> yeah they're going in reverse-alpha by screenname so I should be after calc
[23:49] <tormod> for syncs, is it enough to have archive-admins subscribed before FF?
[23:50] <bryce> tormod: I *think* so
[23:50] <tormod> bryce, can you do something for bug #192772, it's assigned to rtg but he doesn't seem to be reliable
[23:51] <tormod> if you can subscribe archive-admins it should be fine. if he ever gets to my patch later that's fine.
[23:54] <bryce> tormod: hm, I'd be more comfortable if you talked to slangasek directly.  Or if you're certain you just want a sync, file a new bug requesting a sync and sub ubuntu-archive to that
[23:54] <tormod> bryce: I don't think I can sub ubuntu-archive, a dev must do it
[23:55] <tormod> ok I'll give slangasek a try
[23:57] <bryce> if you file a new bug for the sync request, or add a comment at the end of the bug that clearly states a sync request, I'd be happy to sub them
[23:57] <tormod> thanks, I'll do that if I don't hear from slangasek on #ubuntu-devel


[12:16] <dinda> right now it's separate and I'm afraid we are duplicating effort in some areas
[12:17] <elmo> dinda: there's no way that I'm aware of to have searches span two distinct moin wikis
[12:17] <dinda> Elkbuntu mentioned that perhaps it can be linked like the kubuntu or edubuntu ones
[12:17] <dinda> ah
[12:17] <elmo> dinda: the kubuntu and edubuntu wikis are in fact the ubuntu wiki with a different theme
[12:17] <fernando> hey all
[12:17] <pochu> fernando: hi! :)
[12:18] <fernando> hi pochu =)
[12:18] <dinda> hmmm, then we may pursue merging the UW one back into the main wiki. . .
[12:18] <sabdfl> would be perfectly possible to do the same for the U-W wiki
[12:18] <sabdfl> but dinda the downside is a really really noisy RecentChanges page, iirc
[12:18] <sabdfl> being in the main wiki is best, imo, if language isn't an issue
[12:19] <dinda> pleia2 - any thoughts?
[12:19] <pleia2> I think we should work on moving back to the main wiki
[12:20] <sabdfl> in terms of additional admins, you will need to cultivate that interest internally
[12:20] <sabdfl> is there anything specific the CC can help with?
[12:20] <pleia2> I don't think so, we're coming along with that, just not quite there yet
[12:20] <gnomefreak> dinda: if you join #ubuntu-ops or talk to seveas or nalioth im sure the /ops/ part of it can be worked out
[12:20] <sabdfl> ok. well done on negotiating the latest bump in the road, i think you are on your way now
[12:20] <dinda> yip -we came b/c of the note in the agenda - thought we were done last time ;)
[12:21] <sabdfl> ah. way I readit, i thought you'd PUT the note in the agenda!
[12:21] <sabdfl> np
[12:21] <sabdfl> should we move on?
[12:21] <dinda> thanks
[12:21] <sabdfl> is stephen stalcuphere?
[12:22] <Vorian> sabdfl, hello
[12:22] <Vorian> you ready for the ohio team?
[12:22] <Vorian> Hello from the ohio team!  Here is our application page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/ApprovalApplication. You can find all our links on our wiki home page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam.
[12:22] <sabdfl> hey Vorian
[12:22] <sabdfl> starting an underground movement over there?
[12:22] <Vorian> :)
[12:22] <Vorian> doing our best.
[12:23] <sabdfl> :-)
[12:23] <sabdfl> what are buckeyes?
[12:23] <skippy> nuts from a Buckeye tree
[12:23] <Vorian> ohio state university
[12:23] <skippy> or, chocolate covered peanut butter balls.  yummy!
[12:24] <meatballhat> the chocolate + PB versions are better ;-)
[12:24] <SD-Plissken> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_Buckeye
[12:24] <sabdfl> that's funny, skippy is a kind of peanut butter where i come from
[12:24] <Vorian> lol
[12:25] <sabdfl> tagline: yippy for skippy!
[12:25] <gnomefreak> here too
[12:25] <skippy> same here, sabdfl.  I'm _extra_ smooth.  ;)
[12:25] <PWill> haha
[12:25] <sabdfl> i think skippy is a bot
[12:25] <sabdfl> lurks in various channels
[12:25] <sabdfl> listening for nut references
[12:25] <sabdfl> very cunning
[12:25] <skippy> I've been discovered!
[12:25] <sabdfl> ok, ohio, seriously
[12:26] <SD-Plissken> wait a sec sabdfl is a peanut butter and jelly fan.. no way..
[12:26] <Vorian> I'll repost the links :)
[12:26] <sabdfl> totally
[12:26] <MikeB-> its Peanut Butter Jelly Time
[12:26] <Vorian> our application page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/ApprovalApplication. You can find all our links on our wiki home page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam.
[12:26] <Moniker42> MikeB-, noooo
[12:27] <Vorian> we would also like sabdfl to consider visiting the Ohio Linuxfest this September :)
[12:27] <skippy> formal invitation is forthcoming from the appropriate channels.
[12:27] <sabdfl> it's become quite a legendary event
[12:27] <elkbuntu> i have to go now, but *cheer* for dinda for when you get to her :)
[12:27] <sabdfl> september's not good for me though! but separate issue
[12:27] <Brady_M_at_work> Vorian: sorry for getting here late.
[12:27] <sabdfl> vorian, how spread out is the ohio team?
[12:28] <PWill> skippy and I are both on the Ohio Linux Fest team, and others on the team have also thought that would be a good idea, sabdfl
[12:28] <sabdfl> is it mostly columbus, or is it quite spread across the state?
[12:28] <fernando> good night all (college time)
[12:28] <Vorian> 4 metro areas, no more than an hour and a half apart each
[12:28] <sabdfl> night fernando
[12:28] <sabdfl> is it a very big state?
[12:28] <Vorian> sabdfl, I live in a rural area of Ohio
[12:28] <Vorian> Not that big
[12:28] <MikeB-> PWill: is it still connected to the Ham Radio Fest?
[12:28] <jacobmp92> sabdfl: not too big
[12:28] <ausimage> the top is too wide, though ;)
[12:29] <Vorian> Very populace however.
[12:29] <sabdfl> ok
[12:29] <sabdfl> we'll i' +1 on the application, i can see the team is very well organised
[12:29] <skippy> MikeB-, Ohio Linux Fest is not connected to the HamFest.
[12:30] <elmo> yeah, +1 from me too - impressive growth too, to be nearly 90 members in what 3-4 months?
[12:30] <Vorian> thanks sabdfl :)
[12:30] <Vorian> thanks elmo :)
[12:30] <MikeB->  the Loco app looks great, and the Ohio team has been very active on the forums
[12:30] <Zelut> Ohio is setting a big example for the other US Teams, even us established teams!
[12:30] <Vorian> elmo, yes, ubuntuforums have been a great engine for our growth
[12:30] <theidiotthatisme> Ubuntuforums allowed me to discover the Ohio Team, and so far I've been loving it :-)
[12:31] <MikeB-> theidiotthatisme: great to hear, Woot!
[12:32] <sabdfl> yes, it's interesting how the ohio team seems to make very good use of the forums
[12:32] <sabdfl> vorian, did you start out in the community in the forums?
[12:32] <Vorian> sabdfl, launchpad was first
[12:33] <Vorian> the forums shortly after our formation
[12:33] <sabdfl> nice
[12:33] <meatballhat> I'm hesitant to cheer too much, having just been member-ized, but the Ohio LoCo Team is easily the most positive volunteer organization I've ever been a part of :D
[12:33] <PWill> sabdfl: Within about a month, we got http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org/
[12:33] <sabdfl> Vorian: what's your top LP gripe?
[12:33] <jacobmp92> the forums were the biggest source of mebers, including me :)
[12:33] <Vorian> sabdfl, its a bit slow sometimes
[12:33] <sabdfl> hmm... we're trying to figure out how to avoid having to use ssl all the time
[12:34] <Vorian> other than that, i wish it were open source :)
[12:34] <sabdfl> are you in the beta group?
[12:34] <Vorian> sabdfl, not now... :)
[12:34] <PriceChild> I could help you apply for the launchpad beta later Vorian.
[12:34] <Vorian> ty PriceChild :)
[12:34] <sabdfl> cool
[12:35] <sabdfl> ok, well done ohio!
[12:35] <Vorian> I would love to help
[12:35] <sabdfl> next?
[12:35] <meatballhat> yay!
[12:35] <sabdfl> 5 member candidates
[12:35] <Vorian> thanks sabdfl!
[12:35] <nixternal> Ohio! </drew carey voice>
[12:35] <sabdfl> should we take it from the top?
[12:35] <sabdfl> stgraber: ping, you're up!
[12:35] <stgraber> yep, thank you
[12:35] <stgraber> Good evening everyone. I'm Stphane Graber, I use Linux for 6-7 years (I can't remember precisely) and Ubuntu since Warty Warthog. I'm a student in the CPLN in Neuchtel. I'm currently testing Feisty's betas and reporting bugs when I can, I'm also testing a bit the Launchpad beta. I recently started learning python (I'm more a perl or PHP developer) and did a small Pastebin client that's now in Feisty's universe (pastebinit).
[12:35] <SD-Plissken> Congrats Vorian and the Ohio team.
[12:36] <stgraber> I'm also involved in local activities which includes helping new linux users in general (as we are some Debian/Ubuntu users we usually propose Ubuntu as a first distribution) and the Phoenix project (more information on my wiki page).
[12:36] <stgraber> My wiki page is : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/stgraber
[12:36] <stgraber> As I think I'm now quite involved in pushing Ubuntu to a top distribution I'd really like to become a Ubuntu Member.
[12:37] <sabdfl> stgraber: i think i'm just around the corner from you now
[12:38] <sabdfl> nice wiki page
[12:38] <stgraber> thank you
[12:38] <MikeB-> stgraber: very nice wiki
[12:38] <stgraber> I copied a little bit nixternal's one :)
[12:38] <sabdfl> stgraber: have you proposed the swiss-french patch to cjwatson so it will be in feisty?
[12:38] <nixternal> haha
[12:38] <mako> sorry i'm late everyone
[12:38] <nixternal> oi mako
[12:39] <sabdfl> hey mako
[12:39] <stgraber> sabdfl: this keyboard issue is fixed in feisty
[12:39] <stgraber> hi mako
[12:39] <sabdfl> mako: we're on the first of 5 membership applications
[12:39] <stgraber> sabdfl: In fact I proposed the patch but it was too late for Edgy and then it's fixed in Feisty
[12:39] <gnomefreak> hi mako
[12:40] <sabdfl> i'm+1 on stgraber - he's been interested since early days and is quite an active participate: https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/~stgraber/+subscribedbugs
[12:40] <sabdfl> (drop the beta for those folks not in the beta program)
[12:42] <stgraber> thank you sabdfl
[12:42] <elmo> +1
[12:43] <stgraber> mako: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/stgraber if you want to have a look
[12:43] <sabdfl> stgraber: snowing over there too?
[12:43] <stgraber> no, that's quite a problem in fact
[12:43] <stgraber> not enough snow this winter
[12:43] <mako> stgraber: that's what i'm looking at
[12:43] <sabdfl> stgraber: https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/banshee/+bug/62842
[12:43] <mako> alright, +1 from me too
[12:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62842 in rhythmbox "daap with itunes 7 doesn't work correctly" [Low,Confirmed]
[12:44] <sabdfl> i see you're interested in quite a few bugs that are linked to upstreams
[12:44] <sabdfl> do you have any ideas about how we can improve the way we work with upstreams?
[12:44] <stgraber> Having a responsable for each package or group of package who will do the communication part with upstream
[12:45] <stgraber> but maybe someone else than the packager or maintainer
[12:45] <sabdfl> right - someone primarily to "build a bridge" between the communities
[12:45] <sabdfl> i agree very strongly
[12:45] <stgraber> yes, that's the idea
[12:45] <sabdfl> ok
[12:45] <sabdfl> welcome aboard!
[12:45] <MikeB-> stgraber: an Dev-Upstream Team, good idea
[12:45] <stgraber> thank you very much everyone
[12:46] <sabdfl> pochu: spotlight on you!
[12:46] <pochu> well :)
[12:46] <MikeB-> stgraber: grats
[12:46] <pochu> Hello everybody :) I'm Emilio Pozuelo, aka pochu. This is my wiki page ---> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmilioPozuelo . As you can see there, I'm a bugfighter :) I like to triage bugs, and am learning packaging, so I fix some (not very difficult) bugs. Also, I'm an ISO testing team member, and I'm helping heno with the team.
[12:46] <stgraber> MikeB-: thx
[12:46] <pochu> I'm also a SpanishTeam admin (but just since one week or so). We are having a little problems in the team, but jono is helping us, so I hope we can solve them the best way for the team :) And a Spanish Translators member (which was one of my first contributions to the Ubuntu community, because I didn't know too much about bug triaging and packaging).
[12:47] <sabdfl> pochu: do the spanish ubuntu + kubuntu translation teams work well together?
[12:47] <pochu> sabdfl: yeah, the team was owned by carlos till today, when he has step down to the oldest member of the team
[12:48] <MikeB-> atoponce: afternoon Aaron
[12:48] <atoponce> MikeB-: hello. :)
[12:48] <pochu> sabdfl: there is just one spanish translators team -> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-es
[12:48] <seb128> I can confirm that pochu is doing some good job on bug triage
[12:48] <sabdfl> pochu: 58 bugs in compiz! just as well we ducked on compiz-by-default, you think?
[12:49] <gnomefreak> he shows up often in my email from bugs :)
[12:49] <sabdfl> https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/~pochu/+assignedbugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Released&field.owner=&field.status_upstream=&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.tag=upload&search=Search
[12:49] <sabdfl> erk
[12:49] <sabdfl> horribl url!
[12:49] <sabdfl> unnecessarily so
[12:49] <pochu> hehe
[12:49] <sabdfl> nonetheless, looks like very good work
[12:49] <sabdfl> pochu, are you en-route to becoming motu too?
[12:49] <Brady_M_at_work> Night sabdfl
[12:50] <seb128> sabdfl: look at the subscribed list rather
[12:50] <sabdfl> is development and bug triage your primary focus?
[12:50] <sabdfl> night Brady_M_at_work
[12:50] <pochu> sabdfl: yeah, I would like, but first I want to learn more packaging, since I'm still a little newbie :)
[12:50] <pochu> sabdfl: yes, they are :)
[12:51] <sabdfl> ok, cool for +1 for membership from me, and look forward to seeing you in launchpad.net/~motu
[12:51] <mako> yes, absoultely, it looks great.. +1 from me too
[12:51] <pochu> sabdfl: that link is about bugs I've fixed with an upload :)
[12:51] <elmo> +1
[12:52] <mako> wonderful
[12:52] <gnomefreak> pochu: congrats
[12:52] <mako> pochu: welcome
[12:52] <mako> dinda: you're next
[12:52] <MikeB-> pochu: congrats
[12:52] <pochu> thanks everybody :)
[12:52] <sabdfl> welcome aboard, pochu!
[12:52] <dinda> Im Belinda/Dinda Lopez from Galveston, Texas.  Ive been following the project for over a year become increasingly active over the past six months. I went to the UDS Paris event to see if the project to investigate if the project had some real legs under it and try to find out what this whole open source thing is about. My wiki is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelindaLopez
[12:53] <mako> pochu: thanks for your work on ubuntu so far :)
[12:53] <DktrKranz> we were late :(
[12:53] <seb128> pochu: congrat
[12:53] <DktrKranz> anyway, congrats pochu :)
[12:53] <beuno> congrats pochu!
[12:53] <dinda> My main interests were in the areas of training and education but that soon led to other events, more research and falling into the Ubuntu Womens project.  Ive also helped organize the Houston Loco Team and am trying to help with the Texas Team bringing together the Dallas, Houston and Austin folks under one umbrella.
[12:53] <sabdfl> i'll vouch for dinda, who has made a great contribution in a number of areas, most recently U-W
[12:53] <dinda> Thanks sabdfl!
[12:54] <gnomefreak> <off topic> but i like the look of ubun2 ;)
[12:54] <dinda> others left cheers on my wiki page
[12:54] <pleia2> yes, dinda has done extensive work with U-W these past few months, we have really appreciated her efforts
[12:54] <mako> dinda: so we saw you recently on opening up the ubuntu women team
[12:54] <mako> dinda: how ha that been going?
[12:55] <dinda> It's going really well, lots of new folks interested in helping
[12:55] <dinda> and several leading new projects
[12:55] <pleia2> dinda: many of which you're spearheading
[12:55] <dinda> we're working on a membership drive around International Women's Day on March 8
[12:55] <pleia2> which is excellent :)
[12:56] <mako> great, i love the testimonials on your wiki page :)
[12:56] <dinda> the pilot event was great - but cold!
[12:56] <mako> wonderful :)
[12:56] <sabdfl> dinda: what's Sakai?
[12:57] <dinda> so I hope Spain will have much better weather :)
[12:57] <dinda> Sakai is like Moodle
[12:57] <elmo> dinda: it will
[12:57] <alex_muntada> pochu: enhorabuena!
[12:57] <dinda> several Universities are developing it open source
[12:57] <sabdfl> elmo's been down there to "network" ;-)
[12:57] <sabdfl> (i.e. soak up the sun, i think ;-))
[12:57] <pochu> alex_muntada: gracias ^_^
[12:57] <dinda> there is never enuff sun. . .or sangria  ;)
[12:58] <Moniker42> bah >.< tip people - don't install vista. not even out of curiosity...
[12:58] <sabdfl> very positive +1 for me for dinda
[12:58] <elmo> yeah, likewise
[12:58] <theidiotthatisme> Moniker: I've already persuaded many off of getting Vista
[12:58] <Moniker42> whoops, wrong channel....
[12:58] <sabdfl> Moniker42: not really ;-)
[12:58] <Moniker42> theidiotthatisme, i think the complete incompatability with all my peripherals and sound card is enough to put me off
[12:59] <mako> yes, +1 from for dinda
[12:59] <dinda> thanks all!
[12:59] <pleia2> congrats dinda!
[12:59] <mako> it's been nice to see you so many times in so many places aro8und the world :)
[12:59] <MikeB-> dinda: congrats
[12:59] <atoponce> dinda: congrats
[12:59] <gnomefreak> dinda: congrats
[12:59] <dinda> yip - I see you folks more than my family :)
[12:59] <pochu> dinda: congrats :)
[12:59] <mako> and i'm excited about the progress on u-w and looking forward to your day in march
[01:00] <stgraber> dinda: grats
[01:00] <Vorian> congrats dinda :)
[01:00] <dinda> we'll be getting the word out now
[01:00] <mako> i'll try to drop by any of the irc events
[01:00] <sabdfl> welcome, dinda!
[01:00] <dinda> Thanks Mark
[01:01] <dinda> I'm really looking forward to the next few months - I've already learned so much
[01:01] <sabdfl> i suspect you have much to teach too
[01:01] <sabdfl> ausimage: you're up!
[01:01] <ausimage> I am Jeremy Austin-Bardo and an advocate of Ubuntu and Linux. I am the admin for ubuntu-scribes and a supportive member of the NewYorkTeam loco. I also give feedback on bugs and features in Ubuntu and Ubuntu distro+1.
[01:01] <ausimage> Read my wiki page, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ausimage  for details.
[01:01] <sabdfl> tell us about ubuntu-scribes?
[01:02] <atoponce> i'm here to cheer for ausimage. the scribes team is a great idea, and his involvement helps centralize irc meeting minutes through MootBot, which is already in this channel.  cool stuff!  cool guy!
[01:02] <ausimage> Ahh the Scribes.. We are here to help enhance and augment the meeting process mostly in IRC
[01:02] <gnomefreak> we (ubuntu-mozillateam) are using the bot for meetins :)
[01:02] <mako> ausimage: did we meet last week at ubucon?
[01:02] <ausimage> no
[01:03] <mako> ah, too bad
[01:03] <ausimage> could not get there unfortunately
[01:03] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: join here on monday march 6th at 18:00UTC and it will be in use
[01:03] <ausimage> You will have to come Upstate mako
[01:03] <mako> ausimage: i live in boston, it might even be closer :)
[01:03] <sabdfl> what's MootBot?
[01:04] <Seeker`_> sabdfl: The bot that I have written to try to make recording of meetings easier
[01:04] <ausimage> Ah Mootbot is Seeker`_ contribution to ScribesTeam
[01:04] <mako> i have to say, the scribes project is coolest projects in ubuntu i've run across in a while :)
[01:04] <Seeker`_> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot
[01:04] <gnomefreak> sabdfl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot
[01:04] <gnomefreak> oops late
[01:04] <ausimage> he AndrewWilliams have really made it great
[01:04] <mako> as someone who had scribe duties as part of my job for a while, i can appreciate the time and energy that goes into it :)
[01:04] <dinda> scribes is awesome
[01:04] <ausimage> I know ...
[01:04] <Seeker`_> ausimage is very hard working, and he has put a lot of time and effort into starting this team
[01:05] <Seeker`_> and he is always coming up with new ideas
[01:05] <ausimage> Yeah I am now involving myself in NewYorkTeam as well
[01:05] <dinda> since Seveas isn't here - Is anyone doing the LP account updates?
[01:05] <elmo> I can do that
[01:05] <mako> elmo: thanks :)
[01:06] <sabdfl> oh, that bot rocks!
[01:06] <gnomefreak> it is pretty cool
[01:06] <atoponce> yeah. the features are really really cool
[01:06] <Moniker42> voting :)
[01:06] <sabdfl> 1 from me for ausimage. this sort of work is phenomenal "glue" to help communities stay together even as they grow
[01:07] <ausimage> say sabdfl how is blog post for the ScribesTeam coming
[01:07] <sabdfl> sorry, that was a +1 not just a plain 1 :-)
[01:07] <ausimage> sure not more than that ??? ;)
[01:07] <sabdfl> ah, i promised to blog about your work, didn't i? can you mail me some url's to examples of the work?
[01:08] <ausimage> ah sure your addie??
[01:08] <Moniker42> you can get +2s? ;)
[01:10] <sabdfl><EMAIL_ADDRESS>will reach me
[01:10] <ausimage> I will put on the to do list :)
[01:10] <Monk-e> Moniker42: because Guido is my first name! ^^ ;)
[01:11] <elmo> +1
[01:11] <ausimage> thanks elmo
[01:12] <mako> yes, this all looks fantastic
[01:12] <mako> i learned a lot about a couple teams i'd only heard about too
[01:12] <mako> ausimage: thanks for all your work
[01:12] <mako> +1 from me
[01:12] <Vorian> congrats ausimage! :)
[01:12] <ausimage> YEAH YEAH YEAH :D
[01:12] <sabdfl> welcome aboard!
[01:12] <Seeker`_> well done ausimage
[01:12] <mako> yes welcome!
[01:12] <ausimage> thank you all
[01:12] <irvin> \o/
[01:13] <sabdfl> SO!
[01:13] <sabdfl> s|g: you're on
[01:13] <MikeB-> ausimage: congrats
[01:13] <s|g> I'm a sysadmin and web developer from Hungary. I've been using OSS for a long time now (first distro was Debian Boo). I've tried many linux distros (Slackware, Gentoo, SuSE etc.), and BSDs, and since Warty do I use Ubuntu, and I'm very satisfied with it so far.
[01:13] <s|g> I'm translator of many OSS projects (gimp, openoffice.org, icewm, drupal etc), and now I'm the leader of the Hungarian Ubuntu Translation Team.
[01:13] <ausimage> Anyone interested in Scribes drop by
[01:13] <s|g> I'm founder and contributor of many Hungarian OSS communities (gimp.hu, drupal.hu, Hungarian BSD Association). I spoke at Open Source conferences in Hungary about various topics (Hungarian Ubuntu Conference, Linux Conference, Fsf Roadshow).
[01:13] <s|g> In the future I'd like to contribute more: helping in community building and developing and translating and writing Ubuntu documentation and HOWTOs
[01:13] <s|g> The person here to support me is Szilveszter Farkas (phanatic).
[01:13] <s|g> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GaborSuveg
[01:15] <elmo> s|g: are the hungarian ubuntu translation team using launchpad/rosetta?
[01:15] <phanatic> s|g has been a valuable member of the hungarian community for more than a year now... and his contributions to foss in hungary is pretty significant
[01:15] <s|g> elmo: yes.
[01:15] <mako> that's kind of funny that you brought a phanatic to support you
[01:15] <phanatic> mako: :))
[01:16] <sabdfl> phanatical support!
[01:16] <sabdfl> sounds like rackspace
[01:16] <s|g> ;)
[01:16] <mako> sabdfl: in fact :)
[01:16] <sabdfl> s|g: is your primary focus advocacy?
[01:16] <phanatic> he's really one of our best men :)
[01:16] <elmo> s|g: ok - just noticing that you haven't been using rosetta yourself much lately/yet... (not that it's in any way a requirement of course, just interesting to me that someone so  involved in translations hasn't used it much so far)
[01:16] <elmo> mako: phanboy was busy
[01:17] <s|g> sabdfl: yes
[01:17] <s|g> elmo: yes. im love better locale translating, but all is committed into ubuntu
[01:17] <mako> the website forums, etc is is impressive
[01:18] <mako> s|g: which parts can you take credit for?
[01:18] <sabdfl> there seems to be a really strong community in Hungary - any particular driver for that?
[01:18] <s|g> mako: first i/we want to build the ubuntu.hu
[01:19] <phanatic> sabdfl: you mean a person by 'driver'?
[01:21] <mako> s|g: what came second?
[01:22] <mako> i've seen a lot of great stuff on the webiste, i'm just tryin to figure out what your role was
[01:22] <s|g> help within forum
[01:22] <phanatic> now he's responsible for our drupal-based site (which is under heavy development)
[01:22] <mako> s|g: do you have a user page within the forum?
[01:22] <s|g> mako: we reorganize .hu website, clean all howto, wiki etc.
[01:23] <mako> ah, ok
[01:23] <mako> where is that site?
[01:23] <phanatic> http://barack.fsf.hu:11080/ -- only the theme is in its place
[01:23] <s|g> mako: can i give you access.
[01:24] <mako> phanatic: it looks nice
[01:24] <mako> s|g: i don't know, can you?
[01:24] <phanatic> mako: actually it needs some tricks
[01:24] <s|g> mako: this is the tableless ubuntu skin
[01:24] <mako> yes
[01:25] <s|g> mako: with this url you cant login into drupal. you need put line into host file ;)
[01:25] <mako> ah, ok
[01:25] <mako> that's a bit much
[01:25] <mako> you can tell me
[01:25] <phanatic> because the dns entry still doesn't point to this site, and cookies screw up :)
[01:25] <phanatic> so it's a bit complicated as of now
[01:25] <mako> i'm just trying to figure out which parts you've contributed to the website so far
[01:26] <s|g> we finished with virtual machine in this weekend
[01:26] <mako> you say that a bunch of your work has been on ubuntu.hu
[01:26] <mako> and just looking to see examples of things you've done on ubuntu .hu to date
[01:26] <s|g> drupal part, skining
[01:26] <mako> it doesn't have to be the new stuff
[01:26] <mako> have you written content for hte existing site? there is lots of stuff up there
[01:27] <s|g> we would integrate the i18n part into new site
[01:27] <mako> have you participated in the forums?
[01:27] <mako> can you post a link to a page about your account activity in the forums?
[01:27] <s|g> in forums in hungarian yes
[01:27] <mako> it's ok if it's in hungarian
[01:27] <mako> i'd just like to see
[01:28] <sabdfl> s|g: it's normal for us to want to be able to judge the extent of someone's contribution, and the time over which they have been a participant
[01:28] <mako> s|g: usually people put links not only to their teams, but to example of their work on the team
[01:29] <sabdfl> it's clear to me that you've made a huge FLOSS contribution in .hu and elsewhere
[01:29] <sabdfl> i'm also trying trying to see the specific ubuntu work you've contributed
[01:29] <s|g> organize ubuntu conferece
[01:29] <s|g> making ubuntu flyer to this conference
[01:30] <sabdfl> i did hear good things about that conf
[01:30] <s|g> speak from graphics application on this conference
[01:30] <mako> sure, so did i
[01:30] <s|g> and speak it in a local tv
[01:31] <s|g> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gsuveg/279014007/
[01:32] <s|g> it is the flyer
[01:32] <s|g> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gsuveg/279014120/ page 2
[01:32] <sabdfl> nice logo!
[01:33] <mako> yes, that's the type of documentation that i'm looking for
[01:33] <mako> s|g: i think i would be most comfortable if you took some time between now and the next meeting ot make a complete list of those types of contributions and to support them with links like this
[01:34] <mako> s|g: i have every reason to believe that you've made significant and sustained contributions to ubuntu, but your wiki page isn't linking to documentation to support that yet (imho)
[01:34] <s|g> mako: ok
[01:35] <mako> s|g: you should email with jono and have him let you konw what he thinks before the next meeting
[01:35] <mako> phanatic: you don't need to come back, your support and testimonial should be enough
[01:35] <sabdfl> mako: you are such a bad cop! but i concur :-)
[01:35] <s|g> mako: ok
[01:35] <mako> s|g: i'm sure that once you get the site online and everything, it will be really easy
[01:35] <phanatic> mako: okay, thanks
[01:35] <sabdfl> s|g: please come back once that wiki page is clearer
[01:35] <mako> s|g: sorry we didn't get to do it today :(
[01:35] <mako> s|g: next time thought! :)
[01:35] <sabdfl> i've no doubt too that you are making a great contribution
[01:36] <mako>  did we just fall off the end of the agenda?
[01:38] <pochu> I think yes :)
[01:38] <mako> alright then
[01:38] <mako> i'm late for another meeting so i'll jet if that's alright
[01:38] <mako> sorry again that i was late..
[01:38] <sabdfl> thanks mako!
[01:38] <pochu> mako: np :)
[01:38] <mako> was there a decision you need a vote from me on at te beginning?
[01:38] <sabdfl> and thanks to everyone here
[01:38] <mako> if so, someone needs to send me a log so i can look over it
[01:38] <sabdfl> ohio team got +1'd
[01:38] <sabdfl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam
[01:38] <mako> i doubt i'll find that controversial :)
[01:38] <sabdfl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/ApprovalApplication
[01:38] <ausimage> mako MeetingLoges
[01:38] <Moniker42> what's the best language to learn to make a contribution to the ubuntu project? python?
[01:38] <mako> ausimage: yes yes :)
[01:38] <sabdfl> Moniker42: or C, yes
[01:38] <mako> Vorian: was here from ohio?
[01:38] <sabdfl> very much so :-)
[01:39] <Monk-e> sabdfl: does C++ count?
[01:39] <Vorian> hi mako
[01:39] <sabdfl> Monk-e: of course!
[01:39] <mako> Vorian: what does buckeye mean?
[01:39] <mako> i've always wondered that
[01:39] <sabdfl> Moniker42: also, any friendly language, for advocacy and support ;-)
[01:39] <Vorian> its a nut from the buckeye tree
[01:39] <sabdfl> mako: read the logs :-)
[01:39] <Vorian> but the mascot for ohio state university :)
[01:39] <sabdfl> you'll enjoy that part
[01:39] <Vorian> lol
[01:39] <Moniker42> sabdfl, i have a rather large summer with nothing to do between the end of my high school exams and the start of my CS course at uni =)
[01:39] <sabdfl> ok, thanks all and good night
[01:39] <Moniker42> might learn a language...
[01:40] <Vorian> sabdfl, I applied for the launchpad beta
[01:40] <mako> sabdfl: great :)
[01:40] <mako> the page looks really great
[01:40] <dinda> thanks to the CC for all your help!
[01:40] <sabdfl> Vorian: do you solemnly swear not to post screenshots of beta stuff?
[01:40] <ausimage> Pricey: how do you in this beta launchpad?
[01:40] <mako> i'll read the logs and get to you but i don't see how i'll disagree
[01:40] <Vorian> sabdfl, so say we all
[01:40] <Vorian> i swear.
[01:40] <Moniker42> he crossed his fingers!
[01:40] <Moniker42> i saw it!
[01:40] <Pricey> ausimage, You want to apply?
[01:40] <pochu> Moniker42: hehe :)
[01:40] <mako> alright, later all!
[01:40] <mako> i'm out
[01:41] <pochu> mako: bye!
[01:41] <ausimage> Yeah.. would love some meeting features in it ;)
[01:41] <sabdfl> Vorian: approved
[01:41] <Vorian> thanks sabdfl :)
[01:41] <Vorian> I'll do my best.
[01:41] <sabdfl> night all
[01:41] <Vorian> night
[01:41] <Moniker42> Pricey, guess what... the laptop crashed..... again. ;)
[01:41] <Pricey> ausimage, --> pm :)
[01:42] <ausimage> the log wil be up any minute
[01:42] <ausimage> K pricey
[01:42] <MikeB-> night all
[02:26] <phanatic> @schedule Budapest
[02:26] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Budapest: 27 Feb 21:00: Technical Board | 28 Feb 19:00: Accessibility Team | 28 Feb 21:00: Edubuntu | 28 Feb 23:00: Xubuntu | 01 Mar 16:00: Community Question Time in #ubuntu-meeting | 01 Mar 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[06:17] <Lure> @schedule Ljubljana
[06:17] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Ljubljana: 27 Feb 21:00: Technical Board | 28 Feb 19:00: Accessibility Team | 28 Feb 21:00: Edubuntu | 28 Feb 23:00: Xubuntu | 01 Mar 16:00: Community Question Time in #ubuntu-meeting | 01 Mar 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[06:18] <sid> @schedule New_York
[06:18] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/New_York: 27 Feb 15:00: Technical Board | 28 Feb 13:00: Accessibility Team | 28 Feb 15:00: Edubuntu | 28 Feb 17:00: Xubuntu | 01 Mar 10:00: Community Question Time in #ubuntu-meeting | 01 Mar 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[06:25] <tonyyarusso> gotta give some credit to anyone who can pronounce Ljubljana, I figure.
[08:05] <evand> @schedule New_York
[08:05] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/New_York: 27 Feb 15:00: Technical Board | 28 Feb 13:00: Accessibility Team | 28 Feb 15:00: Edubuntu | 28 Feb 17:00: Xubuntu | 01 Mar 10:00: Community Question Time in #ubuntu-meeting | 01 Mar 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[08:55] <mdz> Keybuk: ping
[08:55] <Keybuk> yo
[08:59] <mdz> hi mjg59
[09:00] <mdz> let's begin
[09:00] <mjg59> Evening
[09:00] <mdz> I updated the agenda to reflect the reorganization of Launchpad teams which was carried out by the new MOTU council
[09:00] <mdz> (thanks sistpoty)
[09:01] <mdz> I believe we have one applicant for -core-dev
[09:01] <mdz> asac: are you here?
[09:02] <mdz> asac's application was deferred from the last meeting because his sponsor wasn't present, and he hadn't had much experience in Ubuntu yet
[09:03] <mdz> ok, he doesn't seem to be present
[09:03] <mjg59> Hm.
[09:03] <mdz> is there a MOTU council representative here?
[09:03] <Keybuk> but he has such a wonderful level of contribution to Fooix the Wonder Toaster!
[09:03] <ogra> Fooix the Wonder Toaster ?
[09:04] <mdz> ajmitch: are there any MOTU applications to be considered by the tech board?
[09:04] <Keybuk> ogra: LP beta joke
[09:04] <ajmitch> mdz: we haven't had any applications come to us yet, though we're still waiting on a mailing list to handle them
[09:04] <ogra> Keybuk, ah ...
[09:04] <mdz> ajmitch: IIRC we referred some applicants to the Council a couple of meetings ago
[09:05] <mdz> but the council wasn't quite operational yet
[09:05] <mdz> so please check back with them now that you're ready to process them
[09:05] <mdz> ajmitch: feel free to forward them by email to technical-board@ so that they don't block until the next TB meeting
[09:06] <mdz> the first and only discussion item is one I added
[09:06] <mdz> Technical Board nominations
[09:07] <ajmitch> sure
[09:07] <sabdfl> actually, it would be great to make that std operating procedure
[09:07] <sabdfl> so those applications don't block onmeetings
[09:07] <sabdfl> unless an application raises a question the TB feels should be discussed here
[09:07] <ajmitch> I think that was what was originally proposed
[09:07] <sabdfl> it should be possible to just +1 it and be done
[09:08] <mdz> yes, we agreed that
[09:08] <mdz> just reconfirming
[09:09] <mdz> so, tech board nominations.  sabdfl, I think this ball is in your court.  how can we help to move it forward?
[09:10] <sabdfl> my apologies
[09:11] <sabdfl> if we want to just nominate and have confirmation votes, we are good to go
[09:11] <mdz> I'm happy to assist with the legwork if that helps
[09:11] <sabdfl> if we want more of a runoff, then we need some testing of an appropriate voting stuff in lp
[09:11] <sabdfl> let's just do the easy thing
[09:11] <mdz> I think that nominate+confirm is appropriate
[09:11] <sabdfl> ok, it makes for less exciting voting though :-)
[09:11] <sabdfl> but it's fine for this round
[09:11] <sabdfl> we've delayed enough
[09:12] <mdz> it's also what's written in the governance documents ;-)
[09:12] <mdz> if you would like to send me your nominees, I can set up the polls and announce the vote
[09:13] <mdz> sabdfl: sound ok?
[09:13] <sabdfl> super
[09:13] <sabdfl> thanks mdz
[09:13] <mdz> great
[09:14] <mjg59> Sounds good to me
[09:14] <mjg59> asac: Still not around?
[09:14] <sabdfl> mdz: i think we have enough wiggle room in the governance docs to have a runoff
[09:14] <sabdfl> it's still nominate+confirm
[09:14] <sabdfl> just a "not everyone gets confirmed" twist
[09:15] <sabdfl> if you think we should make that possibility explicit, we should do it sooner rather than later
[09:15] <sabdfl> discuss at CC
[09:15] <mdz> I'll ping asac and remind him to follow up on his application
[09:16] <mdz> I expect pitti and cjwatson will have feedback on his work so far
[09:16] <mdz> in fact, if they're here, I'd be happy to consider him in absentia
[09:16] <ajmitch> could ubuntu-dev please be set to a restricted team now?
[09:17] <mdz> ajmitch: oh, good idea
[09:17] <mjg59> Pitti doesn't seem to be around
[09:17] <mjg59> cjwatson: Ping?
[09:17] <mdz> ajmitch: I'll also update the documentation on UbuntuDevelopment
[09:18] <ajmitch> thanks
[09:18] <ajmitch> & we'll chase up those proposed members on ubuntu-dev
[09:18] <mdz> cjwatson was around a minute ago, but seems to be no longer
[09:19] <mdz> that's all for developer applications.  is there any other business?
[09:19] <sabdfl> ajmitch: really happy to see you guys kicking into action!
[09:19] <mjg59> None from me
[09:19] <Keybuk> just a confirmation; do existing TB members need to re-apply for nomination?
[09:19] <ajmitch> it's good to be organised & kicking universe into shape :)
[09:21] <sabdfl> Keybuk: i don't think so
[09:21] <mdz> Keybuk: I wouldn't expect so
[09:21] <mdz> this is meant to be a fairly stable group
[09:22] <sabdfl> mdz: mostly
[09:22] <sabdfl> mjg59: incidentally, DO you disappear when turned 90 degrees?
[09:22] <mjg59> sabdfl: Depends on how good your eyes are
[09:22] <sabdfl> passed the latest test, but i could see the nurse was being nice about it
[09:22] <mdz> sabdfl: stable in composition, not necessarily in individual psychology
[09:23] <sabdfl> that's what teams are for - makes for a more interesting whiskey collection
[09:23] <sabdfl> ok, thanks all
[09:23] <mdz> yep, sounds like we're done
[09:23] <sabdfl> cheers all!
[09:23] <mdz> actions: mdz to summarize meeting for UWN, mdz to remind asac et al about his core-dev application
[09:24] <mdz> actions: sabdfl to email nominations to mdz
[09:24] <mdz> mdz to create polls, announce confirmation vote
[09:24] <ogra> he left in time :)
[09:24] <mdz> anything else?
[09:24] <mdz> ok, adjourned. thanks all
[09:25] <mdz> (hmm, UWN seems to be dead)
[09:25] <mdz> I'll just mail ubuntu-devel instead
[09:32] <tonyyarusso> mdz: Ya - that's being looked into.
[09:32] <tonyyarusso> Most of the big-time UWN helpers are busy or on vacation, so it stalled.
[09:38] <asac> i am on topic?
[09:38] <Mithrandir> you're slightly late. :-)
[09:39] <asac> didn't know :) ... next time i guess.
[09:40] <asac> mdz: mjg59 sorry .... didn't know i was on topic already