[01:51] <snap-l> Evening
[01:53] <jjesse> that it is
[02:09] <_stink_> yo
[02:20] <snap-l> OK, so I'm thinking about applying for Ubuntu Membership
[02:44] <greg-g> snap-l: you got my vote
[02:44] <snap-l> greg-g: Thanks. :)
[02:44] <greg-g> I mean, I can't say that officially, given I'll be on the review board for you, but, I mean, you're active enough :)
[02:45] <snap-l> heh, I mentioned to Laura Czamumblemumblemumbleski that the process seemed intimidating
[02:45] <snap-l> She was discussing with Amber Grainer
[02:46] <snap-l> so I guess I'll put my money where my mouth is and see just how intimidating it is.
[02:46] <greg-g> heheh, yeah, Laura Czamumblemumbleski :)
[11:49] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:50] <Wolfger> so far
[11:52] <brousch> great. way to jinx it
[12:19] <snap-l> Just saw a possum in the back yar carrying her young on her back
[12:21] <Wolfger> cool
[12:21] <Wolfger> except for the fact that possums are nasty creatures...
[12:24] <snap-l> Meh, they're cute in their own way.
[12:24] <brousch> giant rats
[12:25] <Wolfger> oh, they're cute
[12:25] <Wolfger> you just don't want to run into one in a dark alley
[12:26] <Wolfger> I'm pretty sure it was a possum that ripped up my cat's ears, back when I lived in Mount Clemens
[12:27] <snap-l> she just trundled back behind our garage
[12:27] <snap-l> she has four young, it looks like, with the one in the back hanging on for dear life.
[12:28] <snap-l> http://file.status.net/i/identica/snapl-20110831T122528-gducyjp.png
[12:28] <Wolfger> d'awwww
[12:29] <rick_h_> snap-l: you set for CHC?
[12:29] <snap-l> rick_h_: I think so
[12:29] <snap-l> I have several bckup plans
[12:29] <rick_h_> ok, I'll reimburse you for the card when I get there
[12:29] <snap-l> No worries.  I'll figure it out. Probably
[13:33] <ColonelPanic001> ah, yeah, there's an "add new event"
[13:33] <ColonelPanic001> this is hard
[13:33] <snap-l> heh
[13:33] <ColonelPanic001> is there a repeating event thing, or just manually make them?
[13:33] <snap-l> Manual, unfortunately.
[13:34] <snap-l> But you can copy an event
[13:34] <ColonelPanic001> that's not so bad
[13:34] <ColonelPanic001> this time picker widget is NUTS
[13:36] <ColonelPanic001> I like it, but I've never seen one like that
[13:36] <rick_h_> Reminder krondor waldo323_ Blazeix widox etc that CHC is tonight 7pm early edition
[13:37] <rick_h_> still at the new location
[13:37] <ColonelPanic001> spammar
[13:37] <rick_h_> ColonelPanic001: damn skippy!
[13:38] <ColonelPanic001> Dan and I should come out to your guys' CHC sometime, just for fun, and to see one with more than two people
[13:38] <rick_h_> you should get spammy and get more people :P
[13:38] <ColonelPanic001> well, we have three sometimes, when my gf comes along for the coffee.
[13:38] <ColonelPanic001> THERE ARE NO PEOPLE IN DOWNRIVER
[13:38] <ColonelPanic001> We are a simple folk down here
[13:38] <rick_h_> lol
[13:38] <ColonelPanic001> computers mystify and confuse us
[13:39] <ColonelPanic001> I was seriously surprisd when I met Dan, and Flav told me he was from Downriver
[13:47] <Wolfger> when/where is downriver?
[13:48] <brousch> new orleans?
[13:55] <ColonelPanic001> 8pm, The Grind in Wyandotte
[13:55] <ColonelPanic001> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-michigan/1250/detail/
[13:55] <ColonelPanic001> I maded a event
[14:15] <Wolfger> same night as the other CHC?
[14:15] <Wolfger> there's your problem.... ;-)
[14:17] <Wolfger> You need to change nights to attract all the code addicts that currently go to the other one
[14:17] <ColonelPanic001> :P
[14:18] <ColonelPanic001> the guy I emailed about starting it suggested against that, actually. That was my original thought
[14:18] <ColonelPanic001> I didn't expect most people to drive 45 minutes to come to it anyway, though
[14:20] <Wolfger> in SCA, there are fight practices in different locations, almost always on different nights, and the hard core guys will be in Detroit on Tuesday, then Sarnia on Wednesday, Warren on Sunday....
[14:21] <Wolfger> I find it difficult to believe there's more people willing to drive distances to get hit in the head with a stick than there are people willing to drive distances to drink and code.
[14:21] <ColonelPanic001> haha
[14:21] <ColonelPanic001> you make a good point
[14:22] <ColonelPanic001> meh, maybe we'll try moving it sometime. I'll see what Dan thinks, since we're both essentially 50% of Downriver CHC :P
[14:22] <Wolfger> I, sadly, am not terribly willing to drive distances anymore :-p
[14:22] <ColonelPanic001> YOU SEE?!
[14:23] <Wolfger> but if I wind up working in Trenton again, that Wyandotte CHC is right on my way home.
[14:23] <Wolfger> ...if I hang around and do nothing downriver for 5 hours waiting for it to start :-p
[14:24] <Wolfger> Sorry. I'm trying to be helpful. Doesn't seem like I'm succeeding fabulously.
[14:28] <brousch> damn fools are calling and complaining to me because they can't download a 4MB attachment we sent to them
[14:29] <brousch> "it's 3700 kilobites. that's way too big"
[14:29] <krondor> rick_h_:  I plan on attending :)
[14:30] <rick_h_> krondor: awesome!
[14:43] <snap-l> I need a sanity check
[14:43] <snap-l> http://oreilly.com/catalog/9781449314118/
[14:43] <snap-l> Half-off today.
[14:44] <snap-l> Should I add this to the half-read list of C books that already decorate my shelves?
[14:45] <brousch> C? who needs C?
[14:45] <brousch> pure python d00d
[14:47] <Blazeix> that cover design is like something i'd make. "hm, Head First C... how should we decorate the cover? I know! A gigantic head!"
[14:47] <Blazeix> "we can put purple clip art in orbit around it!"
[14:47] <snap-l> Yeah, I don't like their covers at all
[14:48] <snap-l> And it's a head-first book, so it treads the line between informative and annoying
[14:53] <Wolfger> snap-l: I thought about getting it, then I thought about the 2 C books I have at home that I never got through...
[14:54] <Wolfger> that's the allure of "50% off!!!"
[14:54] <Wolfger> plus, it's a pre-release copy, so... there will be bugs for you to find. :-)
[14:57] <brousch> buffer overflows in a C book might give you a stroke
[15:00] <Wolfger> That's an interesting new spam.... "You have 1 lost message on Facebook"
[15:00] <Wolfger> If it's lost, how can I have it?
[15:00] <Wolfger> If I have it, it's not lost.
[15:01] <Wolfger> I'm not sure what's sadder... the fact that spammers think we're all morons, or the fact that enough people *are* morons that spammers keep at it.
[15:02] <_stink_> the latter
[15:08] <jrwren> rick_h_: did you consider bringing the boy on Saturday?
[15:08] <rick_h_> jrwren: no, don't think so
[15:09] <rick_h_> he'd destroy the office
[15:09] <rick_h_> 20mo is as dangerous time lol
[15:09] <_stink_> hah
[15:09] <jrwren> nah, my kiddo will keep him in check.
[15:16] <snap-l> Thoughts on this as a business card for OLF? http://ubuntuone.com/3Sp9xnHYssV0knzMAh4tPU
[15:20] <brousch> things are not lined up quite right
[15:20] <brousch> giant white space, or is that where your name goes?
[15:22] <snap-l> I don't have much else to put in there, save for the mailing list.
[15:23] <Blazeix> looks nice, but i agree with brousch that the text should be left aligned. Maybe you could move the "Ubuntu Michigan Loco" text up to fill the void.
[15:24] <Blazeix> I really like that orange and black logo.
[15:25] <brousch> thanks
[15:25] <snap-l> Yeah, I'll do that
[15:25] <Blazeix> on my current monitor (which isn't very good) it looks like you have two different shades of orange.
[15:26] <snap-l> They are.
[15:27] <brousch> hm, i think i used ubuntu official orange
[15:27] <Blazeix> ok, I'd make the smaller logo the same color as the larger logo.
[15:27] <Blazeix> the smaller logo seems kind of washed out
[15:28] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/3Sp9xnHYssV0knzMAh4tPU
[15:28] <brousch> well they should both be using the ubuntu orange
[15:28] <snap-l> Also, the .svg if someone wants to take a crack at it. ;) http://ubuntuone.com/5CjfgTVyJMhkTF9aiUp5ld
[15:29] <snap-l> I got the logo from jacob Peddicord's business card template.
[15:29] <snap-l> the others use the Aubergine background
[15:29] <snap-l> which would be fine if we didn't have the black circle of friends
[15:31] <brousch> what if you just remove the upper ubuntu and logo
[15:31] <brousch> make it just an ubuntu michigan card
[15:31] <snap-l> That's fine too
[15:32] <Blazeix> I'd love to take a crack at it, but I'm stuck in windows-land right now. Would it be too late to play around with it at CHC?
[15:33] <brousch> Blazeix: inkscape runs on windows ;)
[15:34] <snap-l> re-uploading
[15:34] <brousch> ug, my hard drive is being a pokey little bitch today
[15:34] <snap-l> Blazeix: If you want, I can wait a little bit
[15:34] <Blazeix> brousch: yeah, but that'd require installing it :)
[15:34] <snap-l> wanted to float it by the loco council just to make sure they're OK with it as well
[15:34] <_stink_> snap-l: use the ubuntu software center header as your card's background.
[15:35] <Blazeix> I already have it installed on linux
[15:35] <snap-l> _stink_: Yeah, that would ROCK
[15:35] <Blazeix> _stink_: haha
[15:35] <_stink_> o/
[15:36] <brousch> snap-l: did you modify it since 11:28:34?
[15:37] <ColonelPanic001> Wolfger: I've heard that there's a form of fencing gaining popularity in Europe that doesn't use foils/rapiers/etc, and instead some other kind of medievel sword, more of a cutting sword than thrust. Any idea? I'm trying to find the name of it
[15:37] <ColonelPanic001> thought with you doing SCA/etc, you might know
[15:37] <snap-l> brousch: I did
[15:38] <snap-l> God, that is annoying
[15:40] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/1bhFyTox2dEw71YLJWj8Ct
[15:40] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/7CJoxu5fH6XtXwboIhE7nI
[15:49] <snap-l> I just made a QR code
[15:52] <Wolfger> ColonelPanic001: Sabre?
[15:53] <Wolfger> trying to remember the other fencing sword I know of... can't quite think of it
[15:53] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/5M79pXHbcV18Knz2suInqp <- qr code
[15:54] <Wolfger> snap-l: I just don't like Michigan being orange...
[15:54] <snap-l> suck it. :)
[15:54] <Wolfger> it should be State of Michigan blue, or great lake blue, or christmas tree green
[15:55] <Wolfger> orange is the Ubuntu color... the circle of friends should be orange
[15:55] <Wolfger> :-p
 QR code? </twitch>
[15:59] <jrwren> backing up over a VPN is probably not a good idea.
[16:07] <brousch> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/blr-ubuntumi-card-1.png
[16:09] <snap-l> brousch: Oh, I like!
[16:09] <snap-l> Get me a PDF of that, please.
[16:09] <brousch> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/ubuntumi-card.svg
[16:09] <jcastro> oh I need a smaller one
[16:09] <jcastro> one sec
[16:10] <brousch> export the page to the size you need
[16:10] <jcastro> http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1089/community-promotion-ads-1h-2011
[16:10] <jcastro> make a 220x250
[16:10] <snap-l> brousch: I'm going to add this QR code to it, if you don't mind.
[16:10] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/4iNOElrQMzvLyMi4N5GiOr
[16:10] <brousch> snap-l: go for it
[16:10] <brousch> i gotta get lunch. bbl
[16:11] <snap-l> brousch: Thanks!
[16:12] <snap-l> Interesting, I don't have that font.
[16:17] <jrwren> ok, my perl-fu is old and weak, i need help reading a regex.
[16:18] <jrwren> $blah =~ s/((?>[^\\"]*(?:\\.[^\\"]*)*))/;
[16:18] <jrwren> is the \\" there just escaping the " ?
[16:18] <snap-l> Damnit, I don't have the same font
[16:18] <jrwren> or is [^\\"] really saying a char class of \ and " ? ?
[16:19] <jrwren> hehe, devinheitmueller I just asked a nice perl re question that you probably know the answer.
[16:19] <jrwren> but having read it more, I think i'm wrong.
[16:20] <snap-l> lunch. brb
[16:20]  * devinheitmueller looks at the logs....
[16:20] <devinheitmueller> so much for that idea.  Apparently ubuntu logs don't track realtime.
[16:26] <Blazeix> devinheitmueller: http://vpaste.net/NV39L
[16:26] <devinheitmueller> I'm pretty sure it's just escaping the quote.
[16:27] <devinheitmueller> That said, you should be able to test that in about 30 seconds with a perl -e.
[16:27] <devinheitmueller> Oh wait, don't use a perl -e.  Write a 2 line perl script.  That will avoid the shell from interfering with the regex.
[16:38] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: Are you still coming to pick me up tonight?
[16:38] <devinheitmueller> Sure, np.
[16:39] <snap-l> Cool, thanks. :)
[16:40] <devinheitmueller> Will pick you up at 7:45pm.
[16:41] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: Tonight is early edition
[16:41] <devinheitmueller> Oh wait, is this the 7pm?
[16:41] <snap-l> so 6:45pm would be preferable.
[16:41] <devinheitmueller> Yeah, ok.  6:45 then.
[16:41] <snap-l> should I dress up ? ;)
[16:41] <Wolfger> jrwren: shouldn't [^\\"] be a single character which is either ^ or \ or "
[16:41] <devinheitmueller> Business casual.
[16:41] <jrwren> Wolfger: [^ is a "NOT" char class
[16:42] <snap-l> brousch: I think you gave me an older file
[16:42] <jrwren> [^ab] <- character class for all chars that are not a or b
[16:43] <Wolfger> ah, right
[16:43] <Wolfger> I knew it wasn't "begining of line" within the brackets....
[16:43] <snap-l> brousch: If you would work your magic on this, I'll convert it and ship it
[16:43] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/6hp9Zur1CGQWkUTavShg62
[16:43] <snap-l> brousch: I added the SVG of the 3D MI logo to it
[16:44] <jrwren> makes me sad that my perl is so weak now.
[16:44] <jrwren> i don't see why I'd need to escape " in a // block
[16:44] <jrwren> and especially don't knwo why I'd need to escape teh escape char in the // block leading to /\\"/
[16:44] <Wolfger> and isn't that expression missing a /?
[16:45] <Wolfger> it identifies what's to be matched, but not what the substitution is
[16:48] <jrwren> yes.
[16:48] <jrwren> i should have used m//
[17:06] <brousch> snap-l: you probably don't have the ubuntu fonts installed
[17:06] <brousch> sudo apt-get install ttf-ubuntu-title ttf-ubuntu-font-family
[17:14] <snap-l> brousch: Right, but the text isn't the same
[17:14] <brousch> hm
[17:15] <brousch> i wonder if they changed it from 10.04 to 11.04?
[17:15] <snap-l> No, I mean the actual text
[17:15] <snap-l> you changed the order of the text, but that wasn't in the .svg you sent along
[17:16] <snap-l> And yes, I was missing ubuntu-title
[17:17] <brousch> interesting
[17:18] <brousch> how much can i shrink the qrcode before it's unusable?
[17:18] <brousch> hey, a lot of places put the qrcode on the back of the card
[17:19] <snap-l> I think I can print them on the back
[17:19] <snap-l> That's a good idea
[17:20] <jrwren> i confirmed \\ is matching \ JFYI
[17:20] <jrwren> finally figuring this out. *sigh*
[17:24] <snap-l> brousch: http://ubuntuone.com/6hp9Zur1CGQWkUTavShg62
[17:25] <snap-l> PDF: http://ubuntuone.com/5oMNhymeAAgG9mXaPgC4gO
[17:25] <brousch> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/blr-ubuntumi-card-1.png
[17:26] <brousch> you like that font better than the ubuntu fonts?
[17:26] <brousch> the one you used?
[17:28] <snap-l> brousch: eh?
[17:28] <brousch> the pdf looks good, but the first one you linked to has funky fonts for me
[17:28] <brousch> i must not have that font
[17:29] <brousch> i'm guessing ubuntu mucked with the fonts between 10.04 and 11.04
[17:29] <snap-l> Let me show you what vistaprint shows
[17:29] <brousch> i like your pdf where the whole head stays in
[17:29] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/3AbG9pvyWLkyRq4A5y3wDn
[17:30] <brousch> does the dotted line me that will not be prined?
[17:30] <snap-l> I'm not sure
[17:31] <snap-l> I hope not.
[17:31] <brousch> i like it other than the dotted line thing
[17:32] <brousch> looks really good
[17:35] <snap-l> Thanks.
[17:35] <snap-l> I put a QR code on the back
[17:35] <snap-l> Thanks for your help! that design really did the trick
[17:36] <brousch> np, glad i could help
[17:36] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/6wNy6AMch7owJ9UpDp1Cur <- here's the proof
[17:39] <brousch> looks like it cut off a tiny bit
[17:39] <brousch> pretty good though
[17:46] <snap-l> God damn, Vistaprint is a pain in the ass
[17:46] <snap-l> tries to upsell you on everything
[17:48] <brousch> hehe
[17:48] <brousch> the godaddy of business cards
[17:49] <snap-l> Oh yeah.
[18:23] <waldo323_> can you get stickers with just the bar code?
[18:24] <snap-l> I could, but I wanted to get some cards or something like that
[18:24] <waldo323_> right i mean as well as, or what about window clings :)
[18:25] <snap-l> You're free to make them if you want. :)
[18:25] <snap-l> I got a thousand cards to hand out at the booth
[18:55] <snap-l> http://www.meijer.com/s/big-steals/_/N-5io?CAWELAID=677385714&cmpid=dswed
[18:56] <snap-l> Man, I lost a bunch of MP3s with that hard drive crash
[18:57] <snap-l> And thanks to Amazon, I can't re-download them.
[19:00] <brousch> doh
[19:00] <rick_h_> huh? how come thanks to amazon?   OfficeJet something or another.
[20:55] <gamerchick02> http://gamerchick02.tumblr.com/post/9637330468/hello-i-am-the-one-with-the-graphic-you-just-reblogged i'm pleased with myself. I think i explained creative commons pretty well to that guy.
[20:58] <snap-l> gamerchick02: That's the gist.
[20:58] <gamerchick02> :)
[20:58] <gamerchick02> i also did the links in there so he can get more info.
[20:59] <gamerchick02> it was funny, because as it stood, nobody had the right to redistribute his work.
[22:12] <Blazeix> hmm... http://pastebin.com/BKcmMd47
[22:12] <Blazeix> kernel.org hacked?
[22:13] <snap-l> Not good if it was.
[22:19] <devinheitmueller> Well, you don't see that everyday.
[22:19] <devinheitmueller> There are more details on the kernel.org homepage.
[22:31] <waldo323_> wow
[22:36] <devinheitmueller> snap-l: still on track to pick you up at 6:45.  About to leave....
[22:39] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: you have my permission to hit rhe jackass in my driveway who is pickibg throigh my neighbors trash
[22:41] <snap-l> plural
[22:48] <waldo323_> snap-l, are you set for a ride or are you already gone?
[22:49] <waldo323_> oh i should read more :)


[10:18] <robbyt> hi all, is launchpad offline this morning?
[10:18] <smartboyhw> robbyt, down for maintenace, see topic
[10:18] <smartboyhw> It will be back within 42 minutes:P
[10:19] <robbyt> oh! I didn't see that.. I'm sorry for bothering. good luck with the maintenance work :)
[10:20] <smartboyhw> wgrant, BTW how is the maintenance going?
[10:21] <wgrant> It's getting there.
[10:21] <smartboyhw> wgrant, :)
[10:25] <afics> seems haetae.canonical.com, <IP_ADDRESS> (=ppa.launchpad.net for me) is down. can anybody confirm this?
[10:26] <smartboyhw> afics, look at topic please, Launchpad down for maintenance
[10:27] <smartboyhw> Should be up in around 34 minutes
[10:27] <afics> ah, overread it, sorry :>
[10:29] <ptomasroos> whats the clock UTC, 11:27 ? *serious q*
[10:29] <cjwatson> 10:29 UTC
[10:32] <wgrant> launchpad.net is back
[10:32] <wgrant> We're working on bringing PPAs etc. back.
[10:33] <afics> ping
[10:34] <wgrant> afics: ppa.launchpad.net is back
[10:35] <afics> wgrant, ty
[10:35] <ptomasroos> great news
[12:29] <wgrant> We're seeing some issues related to the maintenance earlier, investigating.
[12:43] <Ampelbein> wgrant: I'm guessing http://paste.ubuntu.com/6047708/ is related to the issues you are seeing? There is no error on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libewf/20130416-2ubuntu1 though.
[12:51] <wgrant> Ampelbein: Yeah, that's some of the fallout. Things are working again now.
[12:52] <Ampelbein> wgrant: Cool. So I don't need to do a reupload?
[12:53] <wgrant> Ampelbein: No, as long as the build is green you're fine. Worst you would have had to do was retry it.
[12:53] <Ampelbein> Ok, thanks.
[13:09] <wgrant> In a few minutes we'll be going offline again for a few minutes, to finish up what we were working on earlier.
[14:24] <saiarcot895> I tried to upload a package to my PPA, but got an empty rejection message. Literally, the message is "Rejected: Server said: ". Should I try uploading the package again?
[14:25] <wgrant> saiarcot895: A reupload will work, indeed. We've just finished cleaning up after some datacentre maintenance earlier, which caused a few uploads to be rejected like that.
[14:25] <saiarcot895> wgrant: will do
[22:37] <FrostyX> Hi, I am trying to install this https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/hamster-indicator/0.1+037dd2e-0ubuntu1 from tar.gz and I got this python error http://pastebin.com/mNdcU26u . Do you know how to fix it please?
[22:58] <FrostyX> anyone knows? :-/


[03:25] <Takyoji> We really need to throw together an initiative of people being active in support channels. Pretty much all the FOSS support channels are filled with people, but nobody ever helps/answers.
[03:26] <tonyyarusso> Or they answer incorrectly :P
[03:28] <Takyoji> right now I'm looking for a way to disable 'switch users' option, so that user sessions don't pile up, but I'm under the impression that it would be set in a user's .gconf folder, but then that would mean they can remove it. Is there a way to disable it system-wide and not have users be able to remove the enforcement?
[03:28] <Takyoji> Also, I found that it is desktop/gnome/lockdown/disable_user_switching which dictates such
[03:28] <Takyoji> I've asked on various channels, even the official GNOME channel, no answers.
[03:28] <tonyyarusso> Is there a system-wide version of the same key?  Can that tool - sabayon maybe - do it?
[03:29] <Takyoji> I'm under the impression that there's also a gconf registry in /etc or similar that's supposed to be system-wide and I think you can enforce certain values as 'mandatory', but I don't know how to go about that.
[03:30] <Takyoji> in a way that I can do it via command line on several systems via SSH
[03:30] <tonyyarusso> /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory looks promising
[03:32] <tonyyarusso> You can probably use gconftool with the --config-source option to use that
[03:33] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: does that help?
[03:33] <Takyoji> I believe so
[03:34] <Takyoji> I've concocted: gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type bool --set /desktop/gnome/lockdown/disable_user_switching true
[03:34] <tonyyarusso> seems plausible
[03:35] <Takyoji> Next I wonder how one can remotely set the default email client. :P
[03:35] <Takyoji> I srsly should document all the things I find through this process of remote sysadmin through SSH
[03:36] <Takyoji> I say, I could certainly become an LPIC-3 faster than ye. :P
[03:37] <tonyyarusso> lol
[03:38] <Takyoji> Have you set up Evolution for a whole network of users using only commandline, and setup network printers, and so on (all via command line)? :P
[03:39] <tonyyarusso> Sadly I've never had a need to.
[03:39] <Takyoji> of course I could do all this in person, but that means a $72 drive there
[03:40] <Takyoji> (just from gas and car wear)
[03:40] <Takyoji> in-person*
[20:13] <tonyyarusso> Hey Takyoji - you know how you were talking about managing labs and things?  Could you document the hell out of what you know and send it to me?  There's someone at work who wants to do a presentation about managing Linux labs for school environments, so that would be handy for him to have.
[20:15] <Takyoji> Right now I'm sort of doing things by hand, as of things on a per-workstation basis (I don't have puppet or anything setup for deployment)
[20:15] <Takyoji> But yes, I can document all the details of the setup, as there is some witty automation that I have for it all
[20:24] <tonyyarusso> Even just your scripting stuff is fine.
[22:49] <rlaager> tonyyarusso: A Google search found this: http://http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/notes/debian/server.html
[22:49] <rlaager> The Debian packaging outlined therein is more or less what I'm doing. I'm not using Puppet at all. Now, I'm dealing with servers, not lab workstations, so this isn't perfectly applicable to what you're asking.
[22:50] <rlaager> We work with a K12 school and used CloneZilla to image their Windows lab computers.


[19:38] <balloons> DammitJim, look into apt-pinning
[19:59] <DammitJim> thanks balloons
[19:59] <DammitJim> not apt-mark hold ?
[20:00] <balloons> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto explains it all
[20:01] <balloons> but yea I guess that's the idea if you only want to hold one package forever.
[20:20] <DammitJim> balloons, do you know if I can make it not update any packages that samba relies on?
[20:20] <balloons> that's why it gets tricky
[20:21] <mhall119> I think you'd have to do this for all the dependencies that matter
[20:21] <balloons> things in the archive will assume current versions and at some point you may have to upgrade
[20:21] <balloons> it's a slippery slope. But with samba you are probably fine.
[20:21] <balloons> for a little while at least :p
[20:21] <DammitJim> man, the thing is that samba screws with you
[20:21] <DammitJim> they update stuff and things break
[20:22] <DammitJim> but I honestly don't know if it is just the samba package or dependent packages that cause this
[20:22] <DammitJim> most people blame it on just "samba"
[20:23] <balloons> I've not had trouble with samba for some time
[20:23] <balloons> but that's just me.. I know it can be frustrating
[20:23] <mhall119> a samba snappy package is probably going to make this easier all around
[20:24] <balloons> there you go.. you can run multiple versions, only your favorite version and easily rollback to any of them if you wish
[20:24] <DammitJim> what is a samba snappy package?
[20:25] <mhall119> snappy is a new packaging system we're working on
[20:25] <DammitJim> oh gosh
[20:25] <mhall119> it allows developers to package their stuff along with dependencies in an easier way than .deb packages
[20:26] <mhall119> it also allows updating the app and the OS independently of eacher


[10:10] <DJones> Damm you Myrtti I knew I shouldn't have looked at #u, I've now got Toyah Wilcox's It's a Mystery going round my head
[10:11] <Myrtti> "you're welcome"
[10:12] <DJones> Thank you for that anyway, it'll bug me now, I need to put an audio book on to take my mind off it
[17:09] <bazhang> aaronxd was cursing earlier as Guest84xxx
[17:09] <Pici> pleasant
 I find plenty of magic scrolls to sudo cast, but I'd like to really know why I'm doing it
[18:53] <IdleOne> triple is datandroiddude in #u
[20:07] <ikonia> easy there k1l he may have been trying to test his own network (I don't believe he was)
[20:08] <k1l> ikonia: like i said: if you want to test something. you want to know it and will not gonna go for the quick one
[20:08] <ikonia> I don't disagree,
[21:58] <ikonia> icesword in #ubuntu....
[21:58] <ikonia> I thought he was banned
[21:58] <k1l> i did ban him yesterday but its was joining with an ip
[21:59] <k1l> he is obviously ban evading
[22:00] <ikonia> beat me to it
[22:01] <k1l> sry did fire my script :)


[08:49] <gmb> allenap, rvba: https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/maas/use-node.start-instead-of-start_nodes-bug-1330765/+merge/238758 needs a review when you’ve time
[08:51] <bigjools> gmb: sorry I should have reviewed that today
[08:53] <gmb> bigjools: no worries. Y’all might be getting spammed in a minute anyway; I just tried to create an MP that had that one as a prerequisite, and forgot to add the prerequisite branch. Twice.
[08:53] <gmb> Not sure whether LP will kill the notifications for those two deleted MPs.
[08:53] <bigjools> \o/
[10:17] <gmb> allenap, rvba: https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/maas/use-node.start-instead-of-start_nodes-bug-1330765/+merge/238758 and https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/maas/use-node.stop-instead-of-stop_nodes-bug-1330765/+merge/238853 are up for review when you’ve time.
[10:19] <dimitern> hey guys
[10:19] <dimitern> i've just filed bug 1383231
[10:27] <gmb> allenap, rvba: Also https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/maas/remove-stop_nodes-and-start_nodes-bug-1330765/+merge/238857 (these branches are in dependency order, btw)
[10:27] <gmb> dimitern: Looking…
[10:27] <allenap> gmb: I'll take a look in a bit.
[10:27] <gmb> allenap: Ta
[10:27] <gmb> allenap: Realise you’re busy as hell with the transaction stuff right now, so no rush; just putting it out there.
[10:28] <dimitern> gmb, I've updated the bug a bit - it's more of a case for better error message actually
[10:28] <gmb> okay
[10:28] <dimitern> nothing is broken, just confusing
[10:30] <allenap> dimitern: There's only one 50.100 reservation.
[10:31] <allenap> dimitern: Ah, I see you've updated the bug.
[10:31] <dimitern> allenap, yes, I initially though there's a duplicate, but that's not the case; just a better error message is needed
[10:31] <gmb> dimitern: Confirmed and triaged.
[10:32] <dimitern> cheers!
[10:32] <gmb> (Also found another bug)
[10:32] <allenap> dimitern: The bug description doesn't appear right still: the 50.100 address isn't in the "But the list still shows it:" list.
[10:33] <dimitern> allenap, looking
[10:34] <dimitern> allenap, dropped the list section, as it's no longer relevant
[11:03] <allenap> rvba: https://code.launchpad.net/~allenap/maas/transactions-redux-the-revenge/+merge/238864 passed the full test suite, but I suspect it might fail in practice.
[11:52] <rvba> allenap: looking
[11:57] <rvba> allenap: why are you using a method to patch things instead of simply configuring Django using the settings?
[12:31] <roaksoax> rvba: this is why we changed the isolation stuff right?
[12:31] <roaksoax> rvba: because the settings were being used in practice
[12:32] <allenap> rvba: To make sure it actually happens. A change was previously made to use SERIALIZABLE but it never made it into production because a change was missed to maas_local_settings.py. This way we can't avoid it.
[12:33] <rvba> roaksoax: like allenap said, we never changed the isolation level.  We just made it explicit.
[12:33] <rvba> allenap: I don't get it, why not put this in the settings the user can't modify?
[12:34] <roaksoax> allenap: i do remember the change being made in maas_local_settings.py
[12:34] <allenap> rvba: Because they *can* modify maas_local_settings.py.
[12:34] <roaksoax> allenap: otherwise my large maas deployment would have been failing altogether
[12:34] <roaksoax> rvba: so the settings.py get's completely overwritten by what's in maas_local_settings.py ?
[12:35] <rvba> roaksoax: individual settings are overridden by what's in maas_local_settings.py, yes.
[12:35] <roaksoax> rvba: ok, so if settings.py set the ISOLATION to SERIALIZABLE, and not setting it in maas_local_settings.py would mean that the individual setting for that was not being replaced with what we have in maas_local_settings.py
[12:35] <rvba> allenap: well, okay, I see your point.  I think that's completely overkill but okay.
[12:35] <roaksoax> rvba: so that means we were using serializable
[12:36] <rvba> roaksoax: yes
[12:36] <roaksoax> thanks, so 1. we should have never introduced any changes to maas_local_Settings.py 2. we should have not change from serializable to the other read_committed
[12:37] <allenap> rvba: It also avoids generating another install-time conflict on maas_local_settings.py
[12:37] <rvba> allenap: my point is that it should be in src/maas/settings.py
[12:37] <roaksoax> next time, please ask for my review before making changes to config files as the above
[12:37] <allenap> roaksoax: No, it was *NOT* using SERIALIZABLE isolation.
[12:37] <rvba> allenap: if that's possibly considering the packaging messes with the config.
[12:37] <allenap> The setting is per-database.
[12:37] <roaksoax> allenap: settings.py was using serializable isolation
[12:38] <allenap> maas_local_settings.py replaces the DATABASES setting.
[12:38] <roaksoax> allenap: did you test that was the case?
[12:38] <rvba> allenap: right, that's unfortunate but that's how it is indeed.
[12:38] <allenap> OMFG, read the code!
[12:38] <roaksoax> allenap: did you actually ensured that it was the case? if settings.py was using serializable and maas_local_settings.py wasn't specifying the value, did you ensure that was the case?
[12:39] <roaksoax> allenap: because IIRC< jtv didn't make the config change because he tested that settings.py wasn't being fully overwritten, only what was modified in maas_local_settings.py
[12:40] <rvba> roaksoax: yeah, like I said, individual settings from maas_local_settings.py override what's in settings.py
[12:41] <allenap> roaksoax: No, I didn't test. However, the code is almost as simple as:
[12:41] <allenap> DATABASES = {... isolation_level: SERIALIZABLE}  # in maas.settings
[12:41] <allenap> DATABASES = {... isolation_level not specified}  # in maas_local_settings.py
[12:41] <allenap> IOW, the DATABASES value is being completely replaced.
[12:42] <roaksoax> allenap: so then, why do we have a regression where we didn't have it before?
[12:43] <rvba> roaksoax: are we sure it's a regression?
[12:43] <roaksoax> rvba: yup
[12:47] <allenap> roaksoax: I'm fairly confident that any regression has been caused by another change. rvba, gmb: Do we ask OIL to try out SERIALIZABLE as a cowboy patch a while back?
[12:47] <allenap> s/Do/Did/
[12:47] <roaksoax> allenap: we did
[12:47] <roaksoax> allenap: we did test it
[12:47] <allenap> roaksoax: Could the regression come from losing that snippet of configuration in OIL?
[12:48] <allenap> Are we sure this is a regression in *trunk*?
[12:48] <roaksoax> allenap: so we have been upgrading from trunk
[12:49] <roaksoax> allenap: ie. we upgraded to 1.5, then various 1.6, then early 1.7, then late 1.7
[12:49] <roaksoax> allenap: the issue was seen in late 1.7 (beta4/5?(
[12:49] <rvba> roaksoax: what's the latest version without that pb?
[12:49] <allenap> roaksoax: At some point the person upgrading will have been asked about a conflict in maas_local_settings.py. Could it be that the cowboy patch got overwritten at that point?
[12:51] <allenap> roaksoax: Sorry for my outburst earlier. I was/am stressed, tired, not very well, but nevertheless it wasn't cool.
[14:22] <dimitern> any reviewers available?
[14:22] <dimitern> I'd like to have this gomaasapi MP reviewed please - https://code.launchpad.net/~dimitern/gomaasapi/static-ipaddresses/+merge/238893
[14:23] <gmb> dimitern: I’ll take a look presently.
[14:23] <dimitern> gmb, thanks!
[14:50] <gmb> dimitern: Approved. I’m not an official reviewer of gomaasapi, but it doesn’t look like LP has actually noticed that :)
[14:50] <dimitern> gmb, cheers! :)
[14:51] <dimitern> gmb, there's no bot for gomaasapi right? I just need to merge my branch into lp:gomaasapi?
[14:51] <gmb> dimitern: I think so.
[14:51] <gmb> Can’t remember there being a bot.
[14:51] <dimitern> gmb, ok then
[17:06] <th3rt> I've got maas setup to be my dns server for newly bootstrapped instances.  Maas is assigning DNS entries based on IP addresses instead of DNS entries based on hostnames.  Can anyone tell me what I misconfigured to cause that to happen?
[17:07] <th3rt> For example,  instead of a dns entry for 7f9wx.maas,  I have one for 10-76-16.1.maas
[17:07] <th3rt> where 7f9wx is the hostname of the node
[17:07] <th3rt> and <IP_ADDRESS> is the IP
[17:08] <blake_r> th3rt: what version of maas?
[17:09] <th3rt> dpkg -l output... 1.5.4+bzr2294-0
[17:09] <blake_r> th3rt: you have ubuntu deployed on the node?
[17:09] <th3rt> I do
[17:10] <blake_r> th3rt: there is no DNS entry for 7f9wx.maas?
[17:10] <blake_r> th3rt: did you enable DNS management on that interface for the cluster?
[17:11] <th3rt> No,  there is no dns entry for 7f9wx.maas and yes,  I did enable DNS (and DHCP) for that interface on the cluster.
[17:12] <blake_r> th3rt: any error in region celery.log?
[17:14] <th3rt> I have an error from more than 5 hours ago,  but nothing current.
[17:14] <th3rt> [2014-10-20 06:40:01,767: ERROR/Worker-2] rndc_command: Command `rndc -c /etc/bind/maas/rndc.conf.maas reload` returned non-zero exit status 1:
[17:16] <blake_r> check the bind configurations to see if that hostname is in the config
[17:17] <th3rt> grep -R '7f9wx' /etc/bind/maas/ returns nothing
[17:17] <blake_r> hmm
[17:17] <th3rt> When I look at the zone.* files in /etc/bind/maas I have a bunch of DNS entries based on the nodes IP addresses
[17:18] <th3rt> So I can dig 10-76-16-1.maas
[17:18] <th3rt> but not 7f9wx.maas
[17:18] <blake_r> yeah you should have a cname record that maps to that
[17:19] <blake_r> check through the other maas log to see if you see any other errors
[17:19] <th3rt> Well,  I don't have any cname records in my zone files
[17:23] <th3rt> celery.log shows
[17:23] <th3rt> [2014-10-20 12:20:42,623: INFO/MainProcess] Received task: provisioningserver.tasks.upload_dhcp_leases[83572b37-16af-42ee-b6ba-b6341eb97e24] expires:[2014-10-20 17:21:42.619675+00:00]
[17:23] <th3rt> [2014-10-20 12:20:42,628: INFO/Worker-6] The DHCP leases file does not exist.  This is only a problem if this cluster controller is managing its DHCP server.  If that's the case then you need to install the 'maas-dhcp' package on this cluster controller.
[17:23] <th3rt> maas-dhcp is installed and running on the host
[17:23] <th3rt> ... and handing out IPs
[17:30] <blake_r> th3rt: if it cannot parse the leases file then the cname mapping is not made
[17:30] <blake_r> th3rt: sudo maas-dhcp-server status
[17:31] <th3rt> Alright.  that explains my problem :-)
[17:31] <th3rt> service maas-dhcp-server status
[17:31] <th3rt> maas-dhcp-server start/running, process 28272
[17:31] <th3rt> /var/lib/maas/dhcp has no leases file present
[17:31] <th3rt> and looks like maybe it should
[17:31] <blake_r> yeah it should
[17:31] <th3rt> /var/lib/dhcp has a leases file...
[17:31] <blake_r> maybe permissions issue
[17:31] <blake_r> that file is not used
[17:31] <th3rt> ok
[17:32] <blake_r> check syslog for dhcp issues
[17:36] <th3rt> Hah,  found it.  I moved /etc/dhcp and /var/lib/dhcp out of the way and MaaS created it's own leases file in /var/lib/maas/dhcp/
[17:49] <blake_r> th3rt: awesome, glad its fixed
[18:12] <th3rt> blake_r,  thanks for the help!
[18:12] <blake_r> th3rt: np


[09:35] <AppAraat[m]> Hello, ubuntustudio-controls is telling me that RT permissions have not been properly installed. However, I did click on "Fix RT permissions", then logged out and back in. However it's still telling me that.
[09:51] <AppAraat[m]> This might be a bug in ubuntustudio-controls but in the meantime I can listen to audio just fine.
[09:52]  * AppAraat[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/UJBFYjBvJuiscBUepssSpMkR >
[09:53] <AppAraat[m]> I started it like 20 min ago and it's already at 20k+ lines.
[10:00] <AppAraat[m]> Hmm, come to think of it, I can't seem to be able to record audio from my internal mic into Audacity...
[16:56] <OvenWerks> AppAraat[m]: this is -controls from Studio 20.04? That message is sort of normal, but the new version should only do that once, it just means jack is not running right now.
[16:57] <AppAraat[m]> This is 18.04 but with the backport PPA
[16:58] <OvenWerks> You may have to actually reboot to get rid of the realtime message.
[17:00] <AppAraat[m]> but you're saying that even with the RT message, it should still work?
[17:01] <OvenWerks> What is the message with the rt warning? just that you have not logged out and in? Jack may not run
[17:01] <OvenWerks> Jack expects to be able to lock memory
[17:02] <OvenWerks> Your user has to have access via being a part of the audio group
[17:03] <OvenWerks> Once added to the audio group, there has to be a second login to pick that up
[17:04] <OvenWerks> The user gets the groups at login.
[17:04] <OvenWerks> systemd has added trouble to things in that most DEs have not yet figgured out how to actually log out of the logind session
[17:05] <OvenWerks> we have fixed this in xfce, but the gnome DE may still have trouble in this area
[17:05] <AppAraat[m]> My user has always been a part of the audio group and is so now as well. If I fire up `qjackctl` and start it that way, it just seems to run. Here's the log of that: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1149188
[17:06] <AppAraat[m]> (I know that this method isn't recommended, but it's possible)
[17:06] <OvenWerks> Wed May 27 19:04:10 2020: JACK server starting in realtime mode with priority 10
[17:06] <OvenWerks> That looks good
[17:07] <OvenWerks> If controls still gives the warning, then there may be a problem
[17:07] <OvenWerks> ... not with your setup but with the way things interact with the DE you are using
[17:08] <AppAraat[m]> It does... however according to my syslog: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1149191
[17:08] <OvenWerks> starting jack from controls should work as well
[17:08] <AppAraat[m]> ...which is weird because those are pretty contradicting messages.
[17:11] <OvenWerks> I was wondering if this may be the problem but you are 18.04: https://discourse.ardour.org/t/anyone-encountering-rt-jack-issues-after-upgrading-to-ubuntu-20-04-lts/103477
[17:11] <OvenWerks> And that seems to be a new one that has shown up for people in 20.04 on some systems.
[17:12] <OvenWerks> It seems no one has figgured out why and which systems
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[17:15] <OvenWerks> so you saying that hitting the start jack button on controls doesn't work?
[17:16] <AppAraat[m]> ...but since the `ubuntustudio-controls` is recommended, I thought I'd try it that way.  Maybe something might have conflicts with something from the previous method?
[17:16] <OvenWerks> both qjackctl and -controls start jackdbus the same way
[17:18] <AppAraat[m]> It does, and here's the JACK log when I start it via `ubuntustudio-controls`: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1149195
[17:19] <OvenWerks> ok good
[17:19] <AppAraat[m]> Is it btw normal to have 2 of these instances running? `/usr/bin/python3 -u /usr/bin/autojack` - One is from my user and another is from root.
[17:19] <OvenWerks> you should be able to get extra functionallity from
[17:19] <OvenWerks> root? jack should never be run from root... ever
[17:20] <OvenWerks> running jack from root will block all possibilty of a user being able to access whatever device root has taken
[17:22] <AppAraat[m]> hmm yeah, seems when I start JACK from `ubuntustudio-controls` I can't run audio apps anymore. For example `play -n synth whitenoise gain -6` (which I use for testing) just hangs and I had to kill -9 it.
[17:22] <AppAraat[m]> Might this be because I start `ubuntustudio-controls` using sudo?
[17:23] <OvenWerks> again you should never start jack from root
[17:23] <OvenWerks> if you have to do that there are other problems
[17:23] <OvenWerks> but yes that will mess things up a lot
[17:23] <AppAraat[m]> I don't start JACK from root, only `ubuntustudio-controls`
[17:24] <OvenWerks> you now have three (maybe more) processes running from root that should not be
[17:24] <OvenWerks> starting -cxontrols from root (or qjackctl) will start jack from root
[17:24] <OvenWerks> I would sugest a reboot to clear that stuff out
[17:25] <OvenWerks> audio applications must run as the user you are using
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[17:28] <OvenWerks> reboot
[17:28] <AppAraat[m]> So I'm guessing the routing in JACK got messed up somewhere
[17:29] <OvenWerks> There will still be other processes running as root
[17:29] <AppAraat[m]> https://i.imgur.com/2dl1OYI.png
[17:29] <OvenWerks> running _any_ audio application, utility, etc as root will block the audio devices from the user
[17:30] <OvenWerks> have you rebooted yet?
[17:30] <AppAraat[m]> No, but I will shortly. Added note: When I started `ubuntustudio-controls` as normal user, the RT warning message did not appear.
[17:31] <OvenWerks> yes but you need to get rid of any odd things running as root that should not be
[17:31] <OvenWerks> good.
[17:31] <OvenWerks> (that the rt message is not there)
[17:33] <AppAraat[m]> roger that, I'll reboot and report.
[18:27] <AppAraat[m]> ok, rebooted. Audio works without starting `ubuntustudio-controls` (meaning perhaps JACK isn't started yet?)
[18:27] <AppAraat[m]> Now will try to start JACK via `ubuntustudio-controls`
[18:27] <OvenWerks> cool
[18:27] <AppAraat[m]> Ok, started JACK via `ubuntustudio-controls`, and now audio has disappeared...
[18:28] <OvenWerks> are you trying to use pulse or alsa?
[18:28] <OvenWerks> once jack has the audio device, no other device can use it at the same tiome
[18:29] <AppAraat[m]> ALSA as backend, this is how PA bridging looks like: https://i.imgur.com/V6TWGMW.png
[18:29] <OvenWerks> there should be a pulse to jack bridge (by default) that alklows pulse to keep doing things
[18:29] <AppAraat[m]> I'm trying to do ALSA <-> JACK <-> PA
[18:30] <OvenWerks> try in a terminal: jack_lsp -c |pastebinit
[18:30] <OvenWerks> (show me the URL)
[18:30] <AppAraat[m]> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/w4t6t2bkxR/
[18:31] <OvenWerks> did that have the -c in it?
[18:31] <OvenWerks> I don't see any connections
[18:31] <AppAraat[m]> yes, I pasted exactly what you gave me.
[18:32] <OvenWerks> Oh of course you have set the pulse bridging to no-connections
[18:32] <AppAraat[m]> So I guess I have to manually make connections in JACK? I was previously doing that using `qjackctl` but how would I do this in `ubuntustudio-controls`?
[18:32] <OvenWerks> on pulse bridging, the is a system:playback_<dropdown>
[18:33] <OvenWerks> change that dropdown to 1-2
[18:33] <OvenWerks> then hit Apply Audio Settings
[18:33] <AppAraat[m]> done... and audio has appeared!
[18:34] <AppAraat[m]> ok, so that's that. Now onto the testing of recording.
[18:36] <AppAraat[m]> I guess this time I have to choose "1 and 2" in the system:capture dropdown?
[18:37] <OvenWerks> yes
[18:37] <OvenWerks> if you are using a pulse application for recording
[18:37] <OvenWerks> if you are using jack directly no
[18:37] <OvenWerks> audcity can connect to jack
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[18:42] <AppAraat[m]> curiously enough, if I change Playback device to pulse_in-1, I can't hear its playback.
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[18:43] <AppAraat[m]> ^ that's how my `alsamixer` situation looks like.
[18:46] <AppAraat[m]> (and I tested the playback by letting Audacity generate white noise)
[18:48] <OvenWerks> Are you listening with headphones?
[18:48] <OvenWerks> Or speakers plugged into the headphone jack
[18:49] <OvenWerks> your speaker level is muted and turned all the way down.
[18:49] <AppAraat[m]> headphones are plugged into the jack, yes
[18:51] <OvenWerks> if you use audio host jack, then sytem:capture_1 and system:playback_1 should be the way it is set
[18:51] <OvenWerks> either audio host jack or audio host pulse
[18:52] <OvenWerks> you would want Recording device pulse-in I thik
[18:52] <OvenWerks> oh no, pulse-out is just wrong. I just figured out what you see
[18:52] <OvenWerks> recording device should be system
[18:53] <OvenWerks> but if you are using jack then you should not be connecting to anything labeld pulse
[18:54] <OvenWerks> if you are using pulse it will probably audio connect to the only source/sink which is jack
[18:55] <AppAraat[m]> If Recording device = system, then I can't record either.
[18:55] <AppAraat[m]> I'll try with headphones out.
[18:55] <OvenWerks> That should not make a difference for inputs
[18:57] <AppAraat[m]> yeah, same result unfortunately.
[18:57] <OvenWerks> With audacity, I find that hitting pause and then record so I can set levels first.
[18:58] <OvenWerks> also look in carla or qjackctl connections to make sure your input(s) are connected to audacity
[18:58] <OvenWerks> (note that the ports for audacity are not labeld Audacity
[18:59] <AppAraat[m]> yeah for some reasons it's labeled as "Portaudio" IIRC
[18:59] <AppAraat[m]> I don't have Carla installed but I'll try with `qjackctl`
[18:59] <OvenWerks> yes, because they use the portaudio lib and don't set the name up
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[19:01] <AppAraat[m]> ^ That is how it looks like in connections
[19:01] <OvenWerks> ya but audacity is not running with pause + record.
[19:02] <AppAraat[m]> ah ok, lemme try again
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[19:03] <AppAraat[m]> (It's a mono track)
[19:04] <OvenWerks> In that case I would also connect capture_2 to in_34 as well
[19:04] <OvenWerks> just to be sure
[19:04] <OvenWerks> is that the laptop mic?
[19:05] <AppAraat[m]> yes
[19:06] <OvenWerks> are you running 44k1 or 48k sample rate?
[19:06] <AppAraat[m]> 48k as specified in JACK settings
[19:07] <AppAraat[m]> (oh btw about that: How would I know that PA is not downsampling / upsampling whatever is set in JACK / ALSA?)
[19:07] <OvenWerks> pulse always resamples for just about anything
[19:08] <OvenWerks> I only asked because I have a laptop that has a 48k only mic even though the audio out can be 44k1, 48k 96k
[19:09] <AppAraat[m]> I remember being able to previously record with 48k on this machine
[19:09] <OvenWerks> 48k should be fine
[19:09] <AppAraat[m]> Is there a way to prevent PA doing that btw?
[19:10] <AppAraat[m]> Well I guess I could temporarily kill PA, but on Ubuntu 18.04+ that's pretty much impossible
[19:10] <OvenWerks> pulse is never bit perfect
[19:11] <OvenWerks> if you are using jack then pulse does not enter into the path anyway
[19:11] <OvenWerks> pulse is just there to allow desktop audio to make it through jack
[19:11] <AppAraat[m]> But if I want bit perfect playback from say mpv?
[19:11] <OvenWerks> no such thing
[19:12] <OvenWerks> pulse is not bit perfect
[19:12] <OvenWerks> if you record a stereo stream with pulse audio long enough, the left and right will be different lengths
[19:13] <OvenWerks> even with pulse running the same samplke rate as the device and file recorded
[19:13] <AppAraat[m]> that is terrifying lol :p
[19:13] <OvenWerks> it is meant for playback of youtube and doing skype calls
[19:13] <OvenWerks> that is why jack exists
[19:14] <OvenWerks> jack is bit perfect
[19:14] <AppAraat[m]> yeah I'd rather get rid of that behavior, so is there a way to (temporarily) kill PA on 18.04?
[19:15] <OvenWerks> you don't need to
[19:15] <OvenWerks> pulse can idle in the background without effecting anything
[19:15] <OvenWerks> you can remove the pulse-jack bridges if you want jack to be separated from pulse too
[19:15] <OvenWerks> pulse will just use a dummy back end
[19:16] <OvenWerks> (thing write only memory)
[19:16] <AppAraat[m]> as of now I've set mpv to try PA first, this is mainly because otherwise with videos that have 6 channels of audio, that's going to be messy (I have to repatch everything manually using JACK)
[19:17] <OvenWerks> :) yeah 6 channel stuff in jack is less than fun
[19:17] <AppAraat[m]> haha so it's a common thing then, I'm glad I'm not the only one frustrated with that
[19:18] <OvenWerks> something to add to another version of -controls would be pulse bridge with 6 channels
[19:18] <OvenWerks> it can be done from command line of course.
[19:19] <OvenWerks> most people interested in recording do two channel audio
[19:20] <AppAraat[m]> well currently as it stands I can just sum those 6 channels of audio into 2 using mpv's `cycle-values audio-channels mono stereo`... but that's _only_ when mpv has the PA as audio driver. If JACK, then all of it is summed on the left channel :p
[19:20] <OvenWerks> wierd
[19:21] <AppAraat[m]> oh for recording I just have set stuff up in my DAW, which uses JACK
[19:21] <OvenWerks> yes
[19:21] <OvenWerks> the pulse bridge just sits there and does nothing
[19:22] <OvenWerks> The only time to use pulse for a DAW, is if someone is using blue tooth head phones for monitoring
[19:23] <AppAraat[m]> oh lord... I'm not even going to ask why that is a thing
[19:23] <OvenWerks> it is handy for mixing on a subway...
[19:23] <OvenWerks> (I am told)
[19:23] <AppAraat[m]> lol
[19:24] <AppAraat[m]> hmm, well anyway there's one last thing I want to try about this whole recording shenanigans and that's to look whether or not I have disabled the mic in the BIOS
[19:25] <AppAraat[m]> because knowing myself, that would be the perfect conclusion of the day
[19:25] <OvenWerks> maybe try meter bridge connected to both of your capture ports
[19:25] <OvenWerks> if you don't se signal there, that is odd
[19:26] <OvenWerks> you can stop jack with controls and try audacity with either pulse of alsa as a back end as well
[19:28] <AppAraat[m]> What is a meter bridge though?
[19:29] <OvenWerks> just two meters that can be connected (via qjackctl connections) to your inputs to see if there is signal there
[19:30] <AppAraat[m]> oh ok, any recommendations of meters from the UbuntuStudio repos?
[19:31] <OvenWerks> the meterbridge package has them
[19:31] <OvenWerks> almost everything else is a plugin.
[19:40] <AppAraat[m]> meter bridge says no:
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[19:40] <AppAraat[m]> let's stop JACK
[19:44] <Eickmeyer> There's a ton of different meter plugins, including BigMeter, accessible from Carla.
[19:45] <AppAraat[m]> Audacity with ALSA backend, have set recording device to "pulse" as well as "HDA Intel..." I still can't record. In terms of playback, I can only hear something when I set it to either "sysdefault" or "dmix"
[19:45] <AppAraat[m]> Welp, time for a BIOS setup dive then :)
[19:47] <OvenWerks> That sound hardwarish
[19:50] <AppAraat[m]> if I have it disabled in BIOS I will hit my head against the fridge
[19:52] <OvenWerks> don't hurt the fridge...
[19:55]  * OvenWerks didn't know laptop mics could be disabled in bios
[19:58] <AppAraat[m]> Well, sacrifices have to be made.
[19:59] <AppAraat[m]> But luckily I don't see that option anywhere in the BIOS settings, so the fridge can rest assured.
[20:12] <AppAraat[m]> One other thing I can try is to download the UbuntuStudio 18.04 ISO and try this in a live environment....
[20:12] <OvenWerks> yes
[20:18] <Eickmeyer> The Ubuntu Studio Controls on the 18.04 ISO is *way* different.
[20:18] <Eickmeyer> Why not 20.04?
[20:18] <OvenWerks> he has ppa version
[20:19] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, but that requires manually adding the PPA during the live session, which will eat RAM.
[20:19] <OvenWerks> Ah that.
[20:36] <AppAraat[m]> well, I remember it also working without that PPA. And yeah, migration to 20.04 is planned.
[20:37] <Eickmeyer> The version of Controls on the 18.04 ISO only has a couple of checkboxes. It never controlled Jack.
[20:37] <Eickmeyer> Hence, it's not supprted without the backports PPA.
[20:51] <AppAraat[m]> Sure, but I mean I could make recording work even without `ubuntustudio-controls`
[20:58] <Wangdoodle> I need help troubleshooting why my sound quit working. Was using qjackctl and ardour to add a midi drum track and it worked. After saving and reopening, I have no sound output. Tried ubuntustudio-controls and same. Is it okay to ask about this here?
[21:10] <Wangdoodle> I can see the beat playing in the mixer but I don't hear it. That output works fine when Jack is disconnected.
[21:11] <Wangdoodle> running kubuntu 20 with the ubuntustudio-installer packages
[21:23] <Wangdoodle> when I load the file in ALSA mode, not using jack, there's also no sound. I can double click the Red Zepplin drumkit and click the image and it does the visual, the eq jumps, but no sound.
[21:36] <Wangdoodle> Other sessions work fine with the midi drums. Weird. Well, it isn't important. I'll just start a new session for this... but is this chat even working?
[21:37] <Eickmeyer> Wangdoodle: The chat is working, just nobody is available to help you.
[21:37] <Wangdoodle> ok, thanks
[21:37] <Eickmeyer> You can try #opensourcemusicians or #lau (Linux Audio Users).
[21:38] <Wangdoodle> Thanks, making a note. :D