[09:28] <alan_g> anpok: IITC you found gtk-mir was ignoring parent when creating modal dialogs? Can you confirm/link here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1445543/comments/6
[10:27] <anpok> alan_g: I can remember finding two specific not implemented window changes..
[10:28] <anpok> one might be changing the parent.. the other one was setting the dialolg to be modal after it was created


[04:34] <duncanidaho1> is it possible to upgrade Ubuntu 9.10 to Ubuntu 9.10 studio?
[04:35] <meganerd> yes
[04:37] <Blank__> probably
[04:37] <Blank__> although 9.10 studio is a bit buggy
[04:37] <Blank__> ALSA is partly broken, the login screen
[04:37] <duncanidaho1> I just finished getting this install just the way I like it
[04:37] <Blank__> the login screen is featureless in mine*
[04:37] <meganerd> 9.10 works fine for me
[04:38] <Blank__> i upgraded from studio 9.04 and alsa broke
[04:38] <Blank__> and the usplash has been broken both on my upgraded computer and on a fresh install
[04:38] <duncanidaho1> Is there much difference in using studio vs. regular and just downloading cinelerra and other media applications?
[04:39] <Blank__> only real differences that i've seen are the -rt kernel, process priority changes, lack of sounds in gnome theme, addition of ubuntu studio control program to help with raw1394 access and memory limits
[04:39] <Blank__> (oh and nice)
[04:40] <duncanidaho1> do you guys do video editing?
[04:45] <Blank__> sorta
[04:45] <Blank__> afaik the stuff in linux isn't quite there yet
[04:46] <duncanidaho1> yeah, I was hoping you wouldn't say that
[04:47] <Blank__> it's getting closer
[04:48] <Blank__> things like kdenlive are getting better, less likely to crash randomly
[04:48] <duncanidaho1> what about cinelerra?
[04:48] <Blank__> i havent used it in a long time
[04:48] <Blank__> i'm not sure whether to go that or the CV
[04:49] <duncanidaho1> I've switched over to using linux (ubuntu) all except for adobe CS3 where a dual boot back to windows vista
[04:49] <Blank__> depending on what CS3 things you use, you might be able to wine them - i know photoshop works
[04:50] <Blank__> wineasio might fix things with audition, if you use it
[04:50] <Blank__> but premiere pro wouldn't work i'm guessing
[04:50] <duncanidaho1> yeah but I don't think after effects or premiere pro works well with wine...at least not that I"m aware of
[04:50] <Blank__> as much as it pains me to say, the adobe suite is very powerful
[04:51] <duncanidaho1> yep
[04:51] <Blank__> the main thing stopping me from using linux for audio full time is the fact that audition does so many things nothing else does
[04:51] <duncanidaho1> what about pro-tools?
[04:51] <Blank__> centre channel extraction? nothing else has that
[04:51] <Blank__> i hate pro tools
[04:51] <duncanidaho1> (not that it works with linux)
[04:51] <Blank__> with a passion
[04:51] <Blank__> :p
[04:52] <Blank__> i use cubase in windows
[04:52] <Blank__> and ardour in linux
[04:52] <duncanidaho1> really? hmm...I'm not much of an audio guy...but I've never heard anyone prefer audition to pro tools
[04:52] <Blank__> oh, i primarily edit things
[04:52] <Blank__> and pro tools isn't for that
[04:52] <Blank__> single wav files etc
[04:52] <Blank__> audio restoration, frequency analysis... audition is amazing for that stuff
[04:53] <Blank__> im sure if i had a spare $15000 i could buy pro tools and all the plugins that do the same thing as audition, but i don't so audition will do
[04:53] <duncanidaho1> i see
[04:54] <duncanidaho1> is audition in cs4?
[04:54] <Blank__> i'm not sure...
[04:54] <Blank__> i've had CS2 for as long as i can remember and havent needed to upgrade
[04:54] <duncanidaho1> it might have been combined into Soundbooth
[04:54] <duncanidaho1> I don't know
[05:39] <meganerd> I left Cubase for Linux.  SX (1) was a pig and performed poorly on 2000/XP
[05:45] <Blank__> yeah, did you know the copy protection in cubase makes thousands of extra calls for something as simple as a single calculation?
[05:46] <meganerd> yup
[05:46] <meganerd> the guys who pirated SX 3 mentioned that.   I am trying to do it from a .mov file I have on my computer
[14:53] <rlameiro> stochastic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNsOtl8ia0k
[14:54] <damnit123_> hm cant mplayer or something dump frames??
[14:55] <rlameiro> hmmm it should , but is there some front end?
[14:55] <rlameiro> I dont want to be guessing the frame number for the frame I want...
[14:57] <damnit123_> menucoder>
[14:57] <damnit123_> ?
[14:59] <rlameiro> damnit123_: menucoder? mencoder?
[15:00] <jussi01> !info avidemux | rlameiro
[15:00] <damnit123_> mplayer -vo jpeg -frames 1 -ss <offset which gets you to the appropriate
[15:00] <damnit123_> point in the video>
[15:00] <jussi01> avidemux does it well iirc
[15:01] <rlameiro> humm
[15:01] <rlameiro> avidemux
[15:01] <rlameiro> will try that now
[15:01] <damnit123_> yes thats it i knew there was that one
[15:03] <jussi01> damnit123_: btw, in regards to your rant before, 2 things. 1. Have you tried alessio's lowlatency kernel?  2. please try keep the searing to a minimum. :)
[15:04] <damnit123_> sry m8
[15:04] <damnit123_> i know that was some rant but you know this linux sound game is deep
[15:04] <damnit123_> too deep :D
[15:06] <jussi01> damnit123_: yeah, but this channel is supposed to be family friendly ;) (and I suspect your ban in #ubuntu has something to do with your realname and ident)
[15:06] <damnit123_> i get so mad trying to fend off the windows drones that i have to put up with trying to destroy my gardens of tranquility
[15:06] <damnit123_> let me see..
[15:08] <jussi01> damnit123_: alessio's kernels reside in https://edge.launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa so maybe you want to try those
[15:08] <niceguy> .
[15:09] <jussi01> damnit321: your ident...
[15:09] <jussi01> hrm
[15:09] <damnit321> aha .. so is that server side anti swearing controls or something lol
[15:10] <jussi01> damnit321: Id suggest have a read of ubuntu's irc guidelines or youll likely get banned in there - they are pretty strict
[15:10] <jussi01> !guidelines
[15:11] <jussi01> damnit321: about the kernel from alessio
[15:11] <jussi01> [17:05:47] <jussi01> abogani: could you remind me where is your low latency kernel if users want to test?
[15:11] <jussi01> [17:07:35] <abogani> jussi01: Hi Jussi, On my https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa users could find the updated lowlatency and rt kernels.
[15:11] <jussi01> [17:07:52] <jussi01> abogani: and they are working on 9.10?
[15:11] <jussi01> [17:08:41] <abogani> jussi01: Yes but you should install it manually (and also take care of dependencies)
[15:11] <jussi01> [17:09:18] <abogani> For Lucid is sufficient add the PPA into apt as usual and go with apt-get.
[15:12] <damnit321> tnx I'll give it a try
[15:12] <jussi01> damnit321: as he said, do it manually if you are on karmic
[15:13] <damnit321> I havnt built a 2.6 kernel in over a year
[15:13] <damnit321> i bet ive forgeten loads of stuff
[15:13] <jussi01> damnit321: no, its from the package
[15:13] <jussi01> but dont add the ppa to your repo
[15:14] <jussi01> just sudo dpkg -i package
[15:35] <damnit321> jussi01 i'm going to get the offender
[15:35] <jussi01> hrm?
[15:35] <damnit321> will you be arround to hold my hand
[15:35] <damnit321> ;)?
[15:36] <jussi01> damnit321: no, Im just headed to the shop - back later though
[15:36] <damnit321> ok come back .. I will get the box install 32 ustudio and try and put the alesio kernel on it
[15:57] <damnit321> how do you finish registering your nick if you dont have email
[23:04] <duncanidaho1> has anyone ever had flash problems where you can't click on a button
[23:13] <stochastic> Would anyone know where I can find a 3D blender model of the Ubuntu symbol?


[00:08] <robru> wat
[06:24] <mardy> jgdx: hi! Not yet, but I've a branch for that
[08:59] <dbarth__> hey trainguards, seems that i can't fully publish siloe 056
[08:59] <dbarth__> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-056-2-publish/9/console
[08:59] <dbarth__> can you help?
[09:01] <pstolowski> sil2100, hey, any news on silo 24?
[09:05] <sil2100> pstolowski: checked that the new package reached the destination, force merging now
[09:07] <pstolowski> sil2100, great, thanks!
[09:44] <sil2100> Oh, queuebot is gone
[09:45]  * sil2100 needs to jump out for a min, brb
[09:58] <mardy> dbarth__: mmm... silo 56 is dirty again :-/
[10:00] <rvr> mardy: Hey. Did you see this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1511055
[10:01] <mardy> rvr: no, I didn't... looks interesting :-)
[10:15] <dbarth__> mardy: oh is it?
[10:16] <dbarth__> i m still trying to get a trainguard to help me publish
[10:17] <dbarth__> let me check why
[10:47] <rvr> sil2100: Can you enable the s-i?
[10:49] <bzoltan_> sil2100:  how to deal with the gles packages now that we are targeting 16.04?
[10:49] <bzoltan_> sil2100:  the citrain is bitching that cp: cannot stat '/var/lib/jenkins/silos/ubuntu/landing-051/ubuntu-ui-toolkit_1.3.1705+16.04.20151029.1.orig.tar.gz': No such file or directory
[11:13] <cjwatson> sil2100: so, you know the way we keep a big git repository of Packages/Sources history in order that you folks can fork a factory PPA from an old version of the archive if you need to?  how far back do we need to keep that?
[11:14] <cjwatson> sil2100: I ask because even with git's amazing compression an 82GB repository is killing snakefruit and I'd like to truncate it
[11:15] <cjwatson> (it's not really about space, to be clear, it's that git gc kills the box daily)
[11:24] <sil2100> rvr: on it in a minute
[11:25] <sil2100> bzoltan_: that's hm, odd, let me check your silo in a moment
[11:27] <sil2100> cjwatson: hmmmm, I need to think about that, I think we might not need it anymore - you mean archive history, right? Since now that we basically use the overlay PPA and the overlay PPA has infinite history, we can get the exact package versions used from the image manifests + binary copies
[11:29] <cjwatson> sil2100: Both have infinite history, but working out the state of build-dependencies isn't something that manifests give you
[11:29] <cjwatson> sil2100: (We keep index history of the overlay PPA this way too)
[11:29] <cjwatson> sil2100: My question is just what the oldest point you might wish to fork from is
[11:30] <cjwatson> sil2100: right now we have back to somewhere around July/August 2014
[11:33] <bzoltan_> sil2100:  I ripped off the gles package .. but now it does the 15.04 versioned package only
[11:33] <sil2100> hm, I think that's indeed a bit too much into the past
[11:38] <sil2100> cjwatson: I think if the history would be spanned to around the 15.04 release, I suppose that would be sufficient
[11:38] <cjwatson> sil2100: righto, I'll see about filtering it, thanks
[11:38] <cjwatson> I'd like to keep ALL THE THINGS but it's not feasible at the moment :-/
[11:45] <sil2100> rvr: what device do you want to test on?
[11:45] <sil2100> rvr: krillin?
[11:47] <sil2100> bzoltan_: is there some new method of doing the -gles uploads, or is it the same as in the past?
[11:48] <bzoltan_> sil2100:  I do not know about any change... the last time I have landed the 1688 UITK I simple updated the changelog and added the MR, so without watch file
[11:49] <sil2100> bzoltan_: so changing the watch file is no longer required? Just want to get myself up-to-date with latest changes Robert made
[11:49] <bzoltan_> sil2100: Yes, that is the new thing .. no watch file
[11:56] <rvr> sil2100: Yes, krillin
[12:19] <jgdx> mardy, what's the target? OTA8?
[12:21] <mardy> jgdx: yes!
[12:21] <jgdx> mardy, wheee
[12:21] <jgdx> mardy, when testing that silo, could you make sure the header is shown in System Settings -> Online Accounts?
[12:22] <jgdx> if not, just let me know and we'll figure it out
[12:24] <mardy> jgdx: ok I will
[13:24] <boiko> sil2100: could you please remove wily packages from silos 25 and 54?
[13:33] <sil2100> boiko: on it!
[13:33] <sil2100> rvr: did it download?
[13:33] <boiko> sil2100: thanks!
[13:34] <sil2100> boiko: will you be re-building the silos? Since if they're both ready for release I can simply copy the wily packages to xenial
[13:34] <rvr> sil2100: Yes, it did
[13:34] <boiko> sil2100: none of them are ready for release
[13:35] <boiko> sil2100: well, silo 54 maybe, but on silo 25 we are expecting rebuilts to happen
[13:35] <sil2100> boiko: ok, then maybe it's safer to just remove the binaries then
[13:36] <boiko> sil2100: yep, I think it is better to rebuild the silos indeed
[13:36] <sil2100> boiko: done, yw!
[13:37] <boiko> sil2100: great! thanks
[13:59] <rvr> jgdx: http://people.canonical.com/~vrruiz/ubuntu-system-settings-ota-about.png
[13:59] <jgdx> uh
[14:00] <rvr> jgdx: The string is "OTA-x"
[14:01] <rvr> jgdx: version_detail: device=20150821-736d127,custom=20150925-901-35-40-vivid,keyring=archive-master,tag=OTA-x,version=
[14:01] <jgdx> rvr, what's the output of gdbus call -y -d com.canonical.SystemImage -o /Service -m com.canonical.SystemImage.Information
[14:02] <rvr> jgdx: ({'device_name': 'krillin', 'current_build_number': '2', 'last_check_date': '', 'channel_name': 'tag-test', 'version_detail': 'device=20150821-736d127,custom=20150925-901-35-40-vivid,keyring=archive-master,tag=OTA-x,version=2', 'target_build_number': '-1', 'last_update_date': '2015-10-29 13:07:36'},)
[14:03] <jgdx> rvr, so, on the previous screen, does it say OTA-x?
[14:04] <rvr> jgdx: Where?
[14:04] <jgdx> go back one,
[14:04] <rvr> Hmm
[14:04] <jgdx> rvr, how can I test this channel and image?
[14:04] <rvr> Wait a moment
[14:05] <rvr> The silo didn't install
[14:05] <rvr> jgdx: "Unavailable" should be translated
[14:06] <jgdx> rvr, yeah, that's bad.
[14:07]  * sil2100 hopes he didn't break anything by adding the tag as OTA-x
[14:07] <sil2100> Didn't want to put any confusion with an image with a real OTA tag
[14:09] <jgdx> sil2100, let's just get it right :) Thanks for providing the image. Do you have some steps I can do to install this image?
[14:13] <rvr> The following packages have been kept back:
[14:13] <rvr>   libsystemsettings1
[14:14] <jgdx> oh, yeah, maybe it prefers the newer stable overlay system settings?
[14:14] <sil2100> jgdx: I ran it on my private s-i server locally, I don't want to keep my ports open for too long
[14:15] <jgdx> rvr, you know what to do or do you want steps?
[14:15] <jgdx> sil2100, okay
[14:15] <jgdx> rvr, btw, I haven't changed "OS build number" to use the OTA. I can't remember the rationale for that, though.
[14:16] <sil2100> If you guys need it for testing tho, I can set it up on a canonistack instance temporarily
[14:16] <rvr> jgdx: sil2100 has a local server
[14:17] <rvr> jgdx: But it takes ages to download
[14:17] <jgdx> rvr, are you able to install the correct USS version?
[14:17] <rvr> sil2100: I have a faster connection, do you want me to upload the bits somewere?
[14:17] <rvr> somewhere
[14:17] <rvr> jgdx: Still trying
[14:17] <rvr> It refuses to do a dist-upgrade
[14:18] <jgdx> rvr, apt-cache policy ubuntu-system-settings and then install by apt-get install {libsystemsettings1,ubuntu-system-settings}=$version
[14:19] <jgdx> pick the version provided by the silo
[14:19] <rvr> jgdx: Ahh, the version of the stable ppa is higher that the one in the silo
[14:20] <jgdx> yes
[14:21] <rvr> jgdx: The following packages will be REMOVED:
[14:21] <rvr>   account-plugin-ubuntuone obexd-server ubuntu-system-settings
[14:21] <rvr>   ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts ubuntu-touch ubuntu-touch-session
[14:22] <rvr> jgdx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12999225/
[14:22] <rvr> jgdx: Looks ugly
[14:22] <rvr> jgdx: Status	SILO DIRTY: You must rebuild: ubuntu-system-settings
[14:23] <jgdx> aaah, okay, let's do a rebuild
[15:06] <dobey> rvr: can we get pay-ui/pay-service requests tested now? mardy's fix from yesterday is in the overlay ppa now, and these requests have been sitting here for a week now
[15:07] <rvr> dobey: This morning it wasn't available in the overlay PPA, but I'm checking other silos now.
[15:10] <dobey> rvr: is nobody else doing the qa sign off testing too? i see your face on a lot of cards, and not many others :-/
[15:12] <rvr> dobey: Right now, yes.
[15:18] <mardy> jgdx, rvr: silo 18 now fixes bug 1511055
[15:18] <jgdx> mardy, thank you
[15:19] <mardy> jgdx: I also merged your MP into the uitk 1.3 branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/lp1445350/+merge/271956
[15:19] <robru> bzoltan_: did you get your gles problem fixed? I'm around to look at it if it's still a problem. What silo?
[15:20] <rvr> mardy: Great
[15:21] <jgdx> mardy, thanks
[15:22] <alecu> rvr: jibel: sil2100: we screwed up, and forgot about the extra strings in the sound indicator bugfixes in silo 46. Still, I'm talking with xavigarcia and we'd like to know if it's possible to request an exception, since  there's an extra week for bugfixing this time, and that will give enough time for translators to get that done.
[15:23] <alecu> it's this card: https://trello.com/c/4fh6dI4j/2417-528-ubuntu-landing-046-indicator-sound-xavi-garcia-mena
[15:24] <mardy> jgdx: thanks to you :-)
[15:39] <bzoltan_> robru:  not yet
[15:39] <bzoltan_> robru: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-051-1-build/52/console
[15:43] <alecu> rvr: xavigarcia: I've got confirmation from jibel and pmcgowan that an exception is allowed for the strings in silo 46. So: we need to give a week before the final freeze for translators to work on this, and please xavigarcia, as soon as this lands let the -translators mailing list know about the new strings.
[15:43] <robru> bzoltan_: looks like the versions are out of sync, xenial build is building .1 but gles build is looking for .2 somehow. Maybe try a version bump in the upstream part of the version to force them to sync up again.
[15:43] <rvr> alecu: Ack
[15:44] <bzoltan_> robru:  I will try
[15:44] <rvr> jgdx: Build failed
[15:44] <alecu> rvr: thanks
[15:44] <jgdx> rvr, looking
[15:48] <jgdx> rvr, it didn't even try.. Let's do another.
[15:57] <robru> bzoltan_: oh it's probably because you put .1 in the changelog, so the train tried to increment that
[15:58] <robru> bzoltan_: you probably shouldn't touch the changelog manually anymore, just put your message in the mp "commit message" field, it will generate the changelog with right values.
[15:59] <robru> bzoltan_: or if you really need to touch the changelog just put "upstream-0ubuntu1" don't try to predict the date part, train will add that itself
[16:03] <bzoltan_> robru:  Okey, i push the gles branch again and see
[16:26] <rvr> dobey: There is a problem with this test "Security Information: Paypal payment"
[16:27] <rvr> dobey: When I tap cancel in the paypal login page, it shows a Ubuntu One login page
[16:27] <rvr> dobey: In stable, it goes back to the the app info screen, as expected
[16:33] <jgdx> rvr, okay, this uss build seems to be more successful
[16:36] <rvr> jgdx: Cool
[16:40] <dobey> rvr: huh.
[16:41] <Saviq> robru, is it expected that a unity8, qtmir, qtmir-gles rebuild would take almost 1.5h just to prepare packages https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-021-1-build/232/consoleFull ?
[16:44] <Saviq> ah hmm, *2, because dual landing... still, 20mins to build a source package :/
[16:45] <sil2100> jibel, rvr: hey, you guys want to have the meeting today?
[16:51] <jibel> sil2100, I don't think it's necessary, there is nothing special
[16:51] <dobey> rvr: i get the same behavior for both, and apparently the paypal site itself is different now.
[16:52] <Saviq> sil2100, is devel-proposed xenial yet? or is there a different channel?
[16:56] <sil2100> Saviq: it's devel-proposed, good thing you mentioned as I see s-i didn't import the rootfs - let me do it now
[16:59] <dobey> hmm, actually the sandbox paypal site that we get via staging is different than the production site
[16:59] <dobey> sigh
[17:02] <robru> sil2100: I'm OK to skip
[17:02] <dobey> hmm, no on production it works correctly for me with both versions of payui
[17:02] <robru> Saviq: that does sound quite slow, not sure why though...
[17:03] <Saviq> robru, yeah, it doesn't help it doesn't log anything after "building...source package"
[17:04] <Saviq> or well, just spews in the whole log in one go
[17:05] <robru> Saviq: yeah i had to buffer the output of the source package build because when it was unbuffered it would print things out of order in a totally illegible way
[17:06] <Saviq> robru, :)
[17:06] <dobey> rvr: so this works fine for me, and none of the changed code is related to that. i'm not sure what you did, but it's working the same in both.
[17:07] <robru> Saviq: part of the problem seems to be that the chroots are old and installing a ton of updates. The job that periodically refreshes the chroots has been busted fit a while but it hasn't been a priority to fix
[17:08] <Saviq> robru, /me puts priority on it
[17:08] <Saviq> ;)
[17:09] <Saviq> robru, even if you can just do it one-off manually, every once in a while, would be good enough
[17:10] <robru> Saviq: unfortunately i can't, last time i looked at it the failure was quite mysterious. Like it was saying "file not found" or something, but the file clearly existed when i checked.
[17:10] <Saviq> :/
[17:11] <robru> Saviq: one thing we've been wanting to do is switch from pbuilder to sbuild, i was figuring id fix everything in the switch, unfortunately there's a lot of priorities right now
[17:14] <robru> Saviq: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/upgrade-chroot/489/console yeah this has always been a mystery to me
[17:16] <Saviq> robru, I think that's expected, if cowcopy ever worked, steaks would've been much cheaper... and likely less greenhouse gases, too
[17:17] <robru> Heh
[17:50] <jgdx> rvr, built :)
[18:21] <robru> Saviq: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cupstream2distro-maintainers/cupstream2distro/trunk/revision/1185#citrain/jenkins-templates/upgrade-chroot.xml.tmpl well that was embarassingly easy to fix. let me know if your next build is any faster
[18:23] <robru> Saviq: although the update to the xenial pbuilder is tiny compared to the giant list of updates I saw in your build log, not sure what that's about.
[18:48] <robru> Saviq: on second look, seems like your builds just pull in a ton of deps. Did you add new deps recently?
[18:52] <Saviq> robru, I think the real problem is there's no Test-Depends: in debian/control
[18:52] <Saviq> robru, so our Build-Depends might indeed be excessive
[18:53] <Saviq> robru, or maybe even Source-Depends, as obviously building a source package does not require all of build-depends
[18:53] <robru> Saviq: is Source-Depends a thing? never heard of that one. it is a bit silly to pull in the entire world just to build a source package though
[18:53] <Saviq> robru, well, yeah, that's the problem, there isn't
[18:54] <robru> heh
[18:54] <Saviq> robru, yeah, well, if only there was a way to declare srcpkg depends (some need some specific dh- packages, for example)
[18:54] <Saviq> unity8 itself I don't think requires anything above build-essential
[19:01] <robru> Saviq: yeah this is a problem I've run into in the past. not sure why debian doesn't handle this better. not much we can do I guess
[19:03] <Saviq> robru, we could devise a custom addition to debian/control that the train would use
[19:03] <robru> Saviq: oh god pls no
[19:04] <robru> Saviq: the train-specific gles hackery is bad enough
[19:04] <Saviq> robru, oh well, I only meant X-Source-Depends or so
[19:04] <Saviq> robru, you'd use Build-Depends if not present, is al
[19:04] <Saviq> l
[19:05] <Saviq> robru, in any case, I'll have a look and see if we could clear this thing up
[19:06] <Saviq> robru, maybe we reduce Build-Depends to a minimum and add a debian/control.tests with Build-Depends listing test-only dependencies
[19:06] <Saviq> so that we can still use mk-build-deps on that or so
[19:06] <Saviq> we already have a bit of a split between build.sh and debian/control
[19:06] <Saviq> not a great situation indeed
[19:06] <robru> Saviq: yeah I'm not sure what to do about that
[19:08] <Saviq> robru, but I don't think X-Ubuntu-Source-Depends: would be such a bad idea, we have a bunch of custom bits for debian/control arleady
[19:08] <Saviq> even for the train (like the no-rewrite thing)
[19:09] <Saviq> robru, but yeah, a lot of our Build-Depends could probably be scrapped, we've been abusing it for test dependencies
[19:10] <Saviq> but then we'd have to duplicate it between debian/control.test and debian/tests/control :/
[19:10] <Saviq> meh meh meh
[19:10] <robru> yeah
[19:12]  * Saviq will talk with pitti tomorrow to see if they ever thought of that
[20:16] <kenvandine> wow... citrain spam :)
[20:17] <robru> kenvandine: yeah I don't know what the hell this is, I specifically coded queuebot not to spam on startup, but apparently there's some kind of network error causing it to parcially clear it's state, but not clear it enough to think it's starting fresh and suppress the startup spam.
[20:18] <robru> kenvandine: like, the state gets cleared enough that it thinks it needs to notify all this stuff, but doesn't clear enough that it realizes it's got no state and doing a fresh-startup spam
[20:18] <kenvandine> queuebot was hungry, need some spam to chew on :)
[20:21] <Saviq> cihelp, any reason we only have two makos online http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/label/mako/? ?
[20:23] <pmcgowan> Saviq, I have heard they are all dying
[20:23] <Saviq> :(
[20:23] <pmcgowan> so need to get some krillins instead
[20:25] <josepht> Saviq: what pmcgowan said, unfortunately
[21:26] <sil2100> cyphermox, mterry: hey! We have a few packages that would require core-devs for releasing :)
[21:26] <sil2100> cyphermox, mterry: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/publishable
[21:35] <robru> wat http://paste.ubuntu.com/13003129/
[21:36] <sil2100> ;p
[21:39] <mardy> sil2100: what is the problem with silo 56 and libaccounts-qt?
[21:39] <mterry> sil2100, looking
[21:40] <sil2100> mardy: nothing wrong so far, I'm just not powerful enough to publish that
[21:40] <sil2100> mterry: thanks!
[21:40] <sil2100> mardy: it needs a core-dev, I'm just a MOTU
[21:40] <sil2100> mterry: I'll take unity-scopes-shell, that's an universe package
[21:44] <sil2100> mterry: the mediascanner2 landing needs an archive admin btw.
[21:44] <sil2100> mterry: since it renames a package
[21:44] <sil2100> mterry: (just so you know)
[21:44] <sil2100> :)
[21:44] <mterry> sil2100, that doesn't affect publishing though right?  that's a post-publish step?
[21:44] <sil2100> mterry: it's actually a pre-publish step
[21:45] <mterry> sil2100, oh.  OK, will leave that one alone then
[21:45] <sil2100> mterry: since the train doesn't respect new binary packages, just pushes them without them going to the NEW queue
[21:45] <mterry> oh huh.  I didn't know we could shortcircuit NEW
[21:45] <sil2100> mterry: for new source packages - yes, but for new binary ones we need to poke some archive admin
[21:46] <sil2100> slangasek: hey! If you have a moment, there's a silo that needs an archive admin checking the binNEW -> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-031-2-publish/24/
[21:46] <slangasek> sil2100: looking
[21:46] <sil2100> brb
[21:50] <slangasek> sil2100: isn't this package missing Conflicts/Replaces from qml-module-ubuntu-mediascanner0.1 against the old version of qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-mediascanner0.1?  It looks to me that the package will fail to upgrade, which is more important than the transitional package issue
[21:50] <slangasek> sil2100: it's ok from an AA POV but not from a core-dev signoff
[21:53] <mterry> sil2100, silo 56 looks fine packaging wise, but needs to incorporate the archive changes above ^
[21:54]  * mterry goes afk for a few minutes
[22:33] <robru> holy hell, silo 56 wasn't built since before the gcc transition??
[22:35] <michi> robru: What’s with the flood of notifications anyway?
[22:35] <robru> michi: queuebot is a braindead piece of crap
[22:35] <michi> I haven’t built anything since yesterday, and now I’m being told that the build has finished
[22:35] <michi> Ah, that explains it then :)
[22:36] <robru> michi: I don't know why or how, but I'm told that queuebot is experiencing some sort of network error that causes it to lose all it's state (so it thinks all those statuses are new and need to be pinged), but it doesn't lose ALL of it's state, otherwise it would hit the piece of code I wrote that says "hey if there's no state, don't spam the channel"
[22:37] <michi> Oh well, it’s not the end of the world. There are bugs worse than this :)
[22:37] <robru> yeah


[03:10] <ali1234> !gksu
[06:57] <AlanBell> erk, I broke something
[06:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> oh dear
[06:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> anything important?
[06:59] <AlanBell> I was doing a do-release-upgrade over SSH, it was nearly done but asked some question or other about the config files for snmpd (nothing important)
[06:59] <AlanBell> and the ssh connection dropped overnight
[06:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> ah
[06:59] <AlanBell> I can ssh in, something is locking /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[07:00] <AlanBell> not sure whether to restart and hope, or do some other commands first
[07:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> if nothing "dpkg'ish is running why not just delete the lock or pid?
[07:01] <AlanBell> there is a dpkgish thing running
[07:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> kill it gently?
[07:01] <AlanBell>  /usr/bin/dpkg --force-overwrite --status-fd 13 --configure libgdbm3 libclass-isa-perl perl-modules . . .  and a big long list of hundreds of packages
[07:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> hmm.
[07:02] <AlanBell> just after I started the upgrade it occurred to me I should have done it in a screen session
[07:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> or nohup it with an &
[07:04] <AlanBell> it asks questions
[07:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> ah yes.
[07:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> which machine is this then?
[07:05] <AlanBell> a brand new one, I can get it re-imaged if required
[07:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh I love it when I click on a running icon in the launcher and it fails to take me to the app on another workspace. That is so helpful.
[07:06] <AlanBell> ok, killed it and did dpkg --configure -a and it seems to be asking the same question
[07:08] <AlanBell> upgrade finished, lets see if it reboots
[07:12] <AlanBell> yay \o/
[07:13] <popey> when you do do-release-upgrade it opens a new ssh server i thought
[07:22] <AlanBell> it does
[07:22] <AlanBell> but that doesn't help you to know what to do with it, SSH to the original port worked fine
[07:23] <popey> i guess it was waiting for you to type something
[07:24] <AlanBell> it was
[07:24] <AlanBell> I could see the question, then the disconnect
[07:31]  * TheOpenSourcerer prepares to head off to the office. Gah - commuting sucks.
[07:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> ;-)
[07:32] <popey> haha
[07:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> My commute is about 10 minutes
[07:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Neat little device: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/05/new-74-android-mini-computer-is-slightly-larger-than-a-thumb-drive/
[07:42] <daubers> Morning
[07:45] <diplo> See if I can get this Irssi configured nicely now!
[07:46] <diplo> Morning all
[07:51] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:01] <ali1234> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/02/window-applets-finally-available-for.html interesting
[08:23] <ali1234> heh. i think i've found the perfect desktop configuration for precise
[08:23] <ali1234> gnome fallback (no effects) with compositing enabled
[08:23] <ali1234> turns out all the weird bugs in gnome-panel 3 are caused by compiz
[08:27] <ali1234> this is pretty good. i thought i was going to have to fix loads of bugs in barely supported gnome panel, but it turns out it actually works fine
[08:29] <ali1234> also i can now get 60 fps in games, where as with compiz everything was capped at 30 fps
[08:33] <diplo-> Any Irssi users out there recommend a theme to save me trying lot's :)
[08:33] <ali1234> irssi has themes?
[08:34] <diplo-> irssi.org/themes
[08:34] <diplo-> Find the default a bit hard to read
[08:34] <ali1234> hmm actually there is still one bug in gnome-panel that i need to fix
[08:35] <soreau> ali1234: compiz 0.9.x is the unstable version ubuntu uses as a base for their unity desktop. If you want to use compiz, I'd recommend the stable version, 0.8.x
[08:35] <ali1234> i don't!
[08:35] <Myrtti> diplo-: if you end up using mine, I've hot updated versions of them somewhere
[08:35] <ali1234> i just want transparent terminal. metacity gives me that
[08:35] <soreau> ali1234: Also there is a setting to allow fullscreen games to run 'without' compositing, unredirect fullscreen windows
[08:36] <diplo> Which is yours Myrtti ?
[08:36] <ali1234> soreau: yes, i know, it does nothing with nvidia
[08:36] <popey> i dont think i use a theme for irssi
[08:36] <popey> just a bunch of plugins
[08:36] <soreau> ali1234: ok
[08:36] <diplo> Do you amend any of the colours then popey  ?
[08:36] <ali1234> i guess ezoom would be nice to have
[08:36] <popey> i have a thing that colours nicks
[08:36] <soreau> yes, zoom is very nice
[08:36] <Myrtti> I thought it says on there who has made them
[08:36] <ali1234> maybe metacity can do that to though
[08:36] <diplo> Hmm that may work
[08:37] <diplo> So it does Myrtti
[08:37] <diplo> :)
[08:37] <Myrtti> the two on the top you're work fine on white in black background too
[08:38] <ali1234> gotta say, i never had any problems with compiz before unity :/
[08:38] <Myrtti> lol Swype
[08:38] <ali1234> i mean it was never speedy, but it worked
[08:38] <Myrtti> auto correct fail
[08:38] <soreau> ali1234: Yes, they introduced unity the same time they switched to 0.9.x, in 11.04
[08:38] <soreau> it used to be 0.8.x which still works great
[08:39] <ali1234> so... where do i get compiz 0.8.0 for precise?
[08:39] <ali1234> some ppa?
[08:39] <ali1234> Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff?
[08:39] <soreau> ali1234: Unfortunately, I do not know of any ppa for it but you can build it from source. I've recently helped a number of people build it and updated the build guide on the compiz wiki
[08:40] <ali1234> fair enough
[08:40] <popey> diplo: http://popey.com/~alan/irssi.png  thats what my irssi looks like
[08:40] <soreau> ali1234: Here is the link in case you're interested http://wiki.compiz.org/Installation/Stable
[08:40] <ali1234> thanks
[08:41] <diplo> The nicks certainly make a difference popey, Got any recommendations ? Seems quite a few on the site :(
[08:41] <diplo> Again don't want to try to many till i get used to Irssi
[08:41] <soreau> ali1234: You'd just want to use --disable-gnome for core since the gnome-specific parts only support gnome2
[08:41] <diplo> Rather try stuff that others think are good
[08:41] <ali1234> soreau: have you actually tried compiz + gnome-panel 3 and observed (or not) any of the problems?
[08:42] <popey> diplo: adv_windowlist.pl  bitlbee_rename.pl  dictcomplete.pl  hilightwin.pl  nickcolor.pl  screen_away.pl  trackbar.pl  twirssi.pl
[08:42] <diplo> ta fanx :)
[08:42] <popey> diplo: ignore bitlbee_rename.pl and twirssi.pl
[08:42] <soreau> ali1234: I'm using it currently and haven't noticed too many issues..
[08:42] <ali1234> eg panel flickers, window list background is wrong colour, application menu is ghosted for no reason...
[08:42] <popey> but  adv_windowlist.pl hilightwin.pl nickcolor.pl screen_away.pl
[08:42] <Myrtti> splitlong.pl
[08:42] <popey> are useful
[08:42] <popey> and trackbar.pl
[08:43] <soreau> ali1234: hm, that sounds like graphics driver and/or compiz ubuntu patches problem
[08:43] <popey> compiz 0.8 will be missing performance stuff added by ubuntu
[08:43] <ali1234> popey: pull the other one, it's got bells on
[08:43] <soreau> popey: 0.8 is faster than 0.9 and stable
[08:43] <popey> i am serious
[08:43] <Myrtti> cap_sasl.pl
[08:44] <ali1234> well, i'll give 0.8 a try
[08:45] <ali1234> i assume installing it will totally break unity
[08:45] <soreau> ali1234: yes, unity will not work with 0.8
[08:45] <soreau> ali1234: If you need any compiz-specific help though, I'm also in #compiz
[08:46] <soreau> but I'm also in .us so just ask and be patient ;)
[08:46] <soreau> for now I have to get some rest, gnite
[08:46] <ali1234> "bleeding-edge version of stable" lol, what?
[08:46] <diplo> Nick color loaded \o/
[08:47] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, people! :D
[08:47] <ali1234> soreau: i'm normally on US time anyway, despite being in the UK
[08:47] <soreau> ali1234: yes, you can pull the very latest from git 0.8 branches or use the packages on releases.compiz.org.. the build guide should explain everything
[08:47] <soreau> If it doesn't, let me know
[08:47] <ali1234> i'll take notes
[08:48] <diplo> Oh I like adv windowlist popey, that was one of the things I didn't like
[08:52] <diplo-> ..
[08:54] <diplo> Running /save will remember Servers/Channels joined ?
[08:54] <SuperMatt> You know, I can never remember how to do that
[08:54] <diplo> Going to read docs tonight so can tell me to RTFM if you like :)
[09:04] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:04] <ali1234> good morning!!!
[09:04] <brobostigon> good morning ali1234
[09:05] <ali1234> :-D
[09:05] <brobostigon> :)
[09:05] <diplo> Morning brobostigon
[09:05] <brobostigon> morning diplo
[09:05] <gord> hurrah, i got my stupid annoying flashing google pin thing working again
[09:05] <ali1234> google pin?
[09:07] <gord> little badge thing with six flashing led's in it, one for each letter
[09:07] <brobostigon> sounds cheesy.
[09:07] <popey> i grabbed 4 for my kids
[09:09] <diplo> Something from UDS ?
[09:09] <ali1234> i assume from the google sideshow/party
[09:09] <popey> ya
[09:10] <popey> the very odd google party
[09:10] <diplo> Didn't know about that part :)
[09:10] <ali1234> "nerds are weird right? so we should make a really weird party for them" /google reasoning
[09:12] <diplo> heh
[09:12] <ali1234> did you not get funny looks going through the airport with loads of flashing LED stuff?
[09:12] <popey> mine were in my case
[09:13] <popey> although my case did get opened by the TSA
[09:13] <ali1234> yep
[09:13] <popey> probably because I had a tablet and 20 yubikeys in it
[09:13] <popey> (the LEDs weren't flashing)
[09:13] <ali1234> my brother came back from aus with a bag with 500 cage nuts in it
[09:13] <ali1234> yes, they opened his case
[09:14] <diplo> yubikeys ?
[09:15] <ali1234> it's a security thing
[09:15] <ali1234> i think it does two factor. not sure on details
[09:15] <diplo> ah I think I've seen those in Linux Format
[09:15] <ali1234> mt.gox gave them away to anyone who got robbed when they were compromised
[09:16] <brobostigon> so similer to the google authenticator app, thingie?
[09:17] <popey> yes
[09:17] <brobostigon> but thats hw, insted of software?
[09:17] <popey> yes
[09:18] <brobostigon> sounds interesting.
[09:20] <brobostigon> i can think of a few applications, for something like that.
[09:20] <popey> you can use one with google logon
[09:22] <brobostigon> like the authenticator app.
[09:22] <diplo> looks quite good
[09:24] <diplo> Something that should be taken up by banks, I think hsbc or similar send out rsa style things, but I'd rather have something like that for login to my web services for banks etc
[09:25] <MooDoo> howdy all
[09:25] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:26] <popey> brobostigon: instead of or in addition to the authenticator app
[09:26] <brobostigon> popey: ah, i like the idea, would be interesting to experiement with.
[09:38] <ali1234> hmm... close but no cigar
[09:39] <ali1234> compiz 0.8 works much better than 0.9...much faster, no bugs with gnome panel etc
[09:39] <ali1234> but for some reason window decorations are missing
[09:39] <ali1234> i guess i did something wrong
[09:45] <ali1234> woo, window decorations
[09:45] <ali1234> and no bugs
[09:50] <SuperMatt> \o/
[09:50] <ali1234> still manage to get 60 fps in games too
[09:53] <brobostigon> the yubikey isnt cheap though, $25 each.
[09:54] <popey> $15 if you buy loads
[09:54] <ali1234> free if you get robbed of bitcoins on mt.gox :)
[09:54] <popey> hah
[09:54] <brobostigon> popey: quite yes, but little need for loads,
[09:55] <ali1234> so you know that annoying bug where you can't click in the settings window of flash? fixed by reverting compiz to 0.8
[10:00] <davmor2> morning all
[10:01] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:01] <davmor2> morning MooDoo  me owld mucka how's life
[10:01] <MooDoo> davmor2: not bad thanks
[10:16] <ali1234> metacity has the 1 pixel resize handle bug
[10:16] <ali1234> of course, only with light-themes
[10:18] <ali1234> adwaita is slightly better, the handles are about 3 pixels wide on that one
[10:20] <SuperMatt> why are you using 0.8 again?
[10:21] <ali1234> because 0.9 is slow, crashes all the time, renders white rectangles instead of the window, makes the panel flicker and the wrong colour, makes the menus ghosted for no reason, makes pop up menus resize for no reason, prevents you from using the flash settings, and makes logging in to the system take 45 seconds
[10:21] <ali1234> and yes, all of these bugs have been reported
[10:22] <ali1234> i just never realised so much trouble could be caused by one application
[10:22] <SuperMatt> how did you install it?
[10:23] <ali1234> from source, according to the compiz wiki
[10:23] <SuperMatt> ah right
[10:23] <SuperMatt> hassle /o\
[10:23] <ali1234> http://wiki.compiz.org/Installation/Stable
[10:23] <ali1234> well, feel free to keep begging for ubuntu developers to fix compiz 0.9
[10:23] <ali1234> it's been a year now
[10:23] <ali1234> probably longer
[10:24] <ali1234> this is just begging for a fork so that the last actually working version of compiz can be put into the repos
[10:25] <AlanBell> are these just nvidia bugs?
[10:25] <ali1234> i don't know and i don't care
[10:26] <ali1234> considering that nvidia is the only decent graphics card that work linux
[10:26] <gord> ati seems to work pretty well now
[10:27] <ali1234> last time i tried the fglrx it worked about as well as nouveau
[10:30] <diplo> though irc had gone a bit quiet, my byobu session had disconnected :(
[10:36] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-2d/+bug/878198
[10:36] <ali1234> of course unity-2d uses metacity
[10:37] <ali1234> anyone know a good theme for gtk3 that doesn't have 1px borders?
[10:37] <AlanBell> just change the border size of the light theme
[10:37] <ali1234> i said a *good* theme
[10:39] <ali1234> so annoying
[10:39] <ali1234> that bug could easily be fixed, but of course it would break all the unity-2d stuff
[10:40] <ali1234> so nobody can fix it, and when we complain about it we just get the "send a patch" flip off
[10:40] <ali1234> from people who know very well that a patch will not be accepted
[10:41] <ali1234> bug even has a patch to light-themes
[10:57] <popey> bug 985119
[11:00] <ali1234> weird bug
[11:00] <ali1234> what's the actual problem?
[11:00] <ali1234> missing hardware tab and no volume slider normally means pulseaudio crashed and can be fixed by restarting
[11:00] <ali1234> (or logging out and logging in to gnome classic)
[11:01] <ali1234> or just pulseaudio -D in a terminal
[11:03] <popey> i am having trouble getting my head round it
[11:04] <ali1234> basically ignore all th words and just look at the two screenshots
[11:04] <popey> hah
[11:06] <ali1234> well, imma blame pulseaudio
[13:16] <awilkins> Anyone else going to NHSHackDay?
[13:18] <popey> never heard of it
[13:19] <popey> until just now ;)
[13:37] <bigcalm> Afternoon peeps :)
[13:37] <diplo> ello bigcalm
[13:38] <davmor2> prods bigcalm
[13:38] <bittin> now i installed Ubuntu aswell on my new PC :>
[13:38] <davmor2> prods czajkowski
[13:38]  * bigcalm kippers davmor2
[13:38]  * davmor2 can't believe that bigcalm would waste that amount of money on kippers
[13:47] <DJones> Afternoon all
[13:48] <bittin> Hello
[13:48]  * bittin updating my fresh 12.04 install
[13:49] <awilkins> Hmmph, I think Virgin are resetting sthings
[13:50] <diplo> Like what awilkins
[13:51] <awilkins> Their customer services website for starters
[13:51] <awilkins> 503
[13:51] <awilkins> Just had my network drop for about half a minute
[13:53] <diplo> We had issues on work business line yesterday, better now though
[13:53] <diplo> Virgin *
[14:17] <MooDoo> due to all the upgrade happening i bet
[14:18] <awilkins> I hope so.... it may mean it's imminent
[14:18] <awilkins> Dropped out in the night a day or so ago as well
[14:24]  * bigcalm shudders at the thought of VM connectivity issues
[14:25] <awilkins> Mine is basically either rock steady or stupidly unreliable
[14:26] <awilkins> The stupidly unreliable period persists until they upgrade the infrastructure to cope with the new tranche of torrenting kiddies they signed up with their latest marketing campaign.
[14:27] <awilkins> I think the period we had here was really just CPU load on the local router from all the connections that BitTorrent spams ; the ping times were ludicrous, just to that first hop
[14:53] <DJones> Ahhhh, day off, car passed its MOT, and a bottle of wine, Can the day get any better
[14:54] <SuperMatt> two bottles of wine
[14:56] <dogmatic69> DJones: day off, car did not need a MOT, and a bottle of wine?
[14:56] <SuperMatt> still could be better with two bottles
[14:56] <dogmatic69> :D
[14:56] <SuperMatt> also plum wine > *
[15:01]  * diplo not like wine :(
[15:01] <diplo> tbh, not the greatest lover of alcohol, can drink lager and a few spirits, but can just as easily go without now adays
[15:02] <diplo> Total opposite to my brother and dad who are quite heavy drinkers
[15:04] <SuperMatt> I found the easiest way to increase the amount you drink is to have a student for a girlfriend
[15:04] <diplo> :p
[15:07] <popey> DJones: minecraft would perfect it
[15:09] <gord> i stopped playing minecraft for a bit, now it has experience and spells and all this other weird stuff so its strange and confusing to me
[15:09] <gord> i remember when it was about being lego :(
[15:11] <DJones> popey: Waiting for a new map, I blew the last one up with TNT
[15:12] <diplo> Never played minecraft
[15:12] <diplo> Didn't want to lose my life to it :)
[15:13] <DJones> popey: We did a tunnel from my house to Laura's and then to the end portal, filled that with tnt after the dragon was killed & let rip :) about 1000 tnt blew
[15:13] <directhex> minecraft is one of those toys which i have trouble with, due to my lack of creativity
[15:13] <daftykins> am i the only one that's amused by video not working on ubuntu 12.04's 'example' video after a clean install? :) i get audio but no picture :D it's using HD theora apparently
[15:13] <daftykins> directhex: +1
[15:14] <directhex> and they're trying to make minecraft be a game rather than a toy
[15:14] <directhex> i am unconvinced
[15:14] <daftykins> FYI i refer to "How Fast.ogg"
[15:15] <awilkins> I'm more interested in 0x10c
[15:15] <awilkins> Sounds like CoreWar, only it might be fun
[15:15] <directhex> AlanBell, know anyhing about zimbra? you alans strike me as the types
[15:21] <BigRedS_> I know a little bit about it, but I'm not an Alan
[15:22] <popey> daftykins: filed a bug?
[15:22] <daftykins> can't be bothered
[15:22] <popey> nice
[15:22] <daftykins> :D
[15:23] <daftykins> well, my last one of Guernsey regionality got nowhere after 2 years
[15:23] <daftykins> i see no likelihood for improvement
[15:23] <daftykins> :P
[15:23] <popey> awesome stats there
[15:23] <daftykins> yip
[15:23] <daftykins> also is it me, or does LibreOffice Writer default to US English?
[15:24]  * popey wanders off
[15:24] <daftykins> heh
[15:26] <popey> just tested it, works fine her
[15:26] <popey> +e
[15:26] <daftykins> the vid?
[15:26] <popey> (the video on a clean system)
[15:26] <daftykins> interesting
[15:26] <daftykins> in movie player yeah?
[15:26] <popey> yes
[15:26] <daftykins> and you selected to install the codecs during installation?
[15:26] <popey> no
[15:26] <daftykins> i didn't to begin, but put them on from the software centre after, made no change
[15:26] <daftykins> i know it's theora but no idea if it's meant to be included
[15:27] <AlanBell> directhex: I have come across zimbra, didn't like it much
[15:27] <AlanBell> it is a big collection of stuff
[15:27] <AlanBell> we don't do email, because people get cross if their email doesn't work
[15:28] <diplo> AlanBell: Now that is a very sensible decision! :)
[15:30] <AlanBell> we use zentyal for our own email
[15:31] <diplo> I have the challenge of setting up and playing with that soon AlanBell
[15:31] <diplo> Got a test box and the software, just need to find some free time to tinker
[15:40] <bigcalm> ctrl + c doesn't seem to be transmitted by a remote terminal, any thoughts?
[15:41] <bigcalm> It's a Debian server, but that shouldn't make any difference
[15:42] <diplo> Someones remapped it ? Our place has remapped Ctrl C to Ctrl O
[15:43] <diplo> Off to take boy disco / swimming, bbl
[15:43] <bigcalm> Whatever the default in Debian 6 is. I know nothing of these things
[17:22] <ali1234> wow, how do you remap ctrl-c?
[17:23] <BigRedS_> and why would you?
[17:23] <ali1234> i dunno
[17:23] <ali1234> just curious how you would do it
[17:39] <bittin> yay i has new PC :)
[17:40] <brobostigon> \o/
[17:43] <popey> hello from my boxee rrremote
[17:43] <popey> hmm
[17:44] <AlanBell> herrrro popey
[17:44] <popey> hmm
[17:44] <popey> dont think the RPi has enough juice to power the usb radio
[17:46] <popey> now it wont boot
[17:46] <ali1234> fun
[17:48] <ali1234> i found where they've been hding the "good" themes for gtk3: http://www.jpfleury.net/en/software/clearwaita.php
[17:48] <popey> seems it overheats
[17:48] <popey> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5900
[17:49] <ali1234> why am i not surprised?
[17:50] <ali1234> blaming PSU lol
[17:51] <popey> leave it a moment it now boots
[17:51] <popey> and the boxee remote works, yay
[17:52] <ali1234> wow the cluelessness in that thread is amazing
[17:52] <ali1234> blame the PSU, overclocking, SD card... anything but the beloved raspi!
[17:52] <popey> lol the debian image has big buck bunny on it
[17:53] <popey> "test.h264"
[17:53] <ali1234> yeah it's the only piece of copyleft h264 that exists
[17:54] <popey> ☺
[17:54] <popey> we all got sick of the sight of it when testing ubuntu tv
[17:56] <simondbull> popey: I may have jumped on the bandwagon, and placed your beach ball image on some backgrounds
[17:56] <simondbull> https://plus.google.com/photos/118208921696356153553/albums/5743606583534121649
[17:58] <popey> lovely
[18:01] <simondbull> apologies if it did cause any offence, though
[18:01] <popey> nah
[18:02] <simondbull> thanks :)
[18:02] <popey> nobody has photoshopped me into the nuremburg rally yet
[18:02] <bigcalm> Oh my
[18:02] <simondbull> oh my indeed!
[18:03] <ali1234> that sounds like a job for someone who loves controversy
[18:07] <popey> heh, the .bash_history on a debian image someone else created is chuckleworthy
[18:07] <popey> (specifically the rpi image whch has xbmc on it)
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> popey: this is why I intend to create a bare Debian install for myself
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> popey: with debootstrap
[18:11] <popey> the xbmc startup script has this as the last line...
[18:11] <popey> "sudo ./xbmc.bin"
[18:11] <popey> le sigh
[18:11] <ali1234> nice
[18:11] <ali1234> course the very fact the file even exists is a huge wtf
[18:12] <popey> the image is just debian with xbmc in /opt
[18:12] <popey> that seems to be _it_
[18:12] <ali1234> remember a couple of years ago when it was all the rage to install ubuntu, make a few tweaks, and then tarball the / and call it a respin?
[18:12] <popey> heh
[18:12] <popey> people still seem to do that
[18:12] <popey> ultimate edition anyone?
[18:13] <ali1234> not so much
[18:13] <popey> maybe
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> Automatix!
[18:13] <ali1234> it's pretty much died off since anyone who wants to tweak stuff basically cannot anymore due to unity
[18:13] <popey> mint/zorinos manage it
[18:14] <ali1234> that reminds me, what the best way to kill overlay scrollbars?
[18:14] <popey> remove the package
[18:14] <ali1234> the askubuntu page is very out of date
[18:14] <gord> why would you need sudo to start xbmc?
[18:14] <popey> overlay-scrollbar
[18:14] <popey> indeed gord
[18:14] <popey> welcome to my world
[18:14] <ali1234> gord: probably because of the messed up driver architecture on raspi requiring root for opengl support
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> likely
[18:14] <popey> it doesn't need root, i am running it now without root
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: submit a bug
[18:15] <ali1234> it might not need root *now*
[18:15] <popey> que?
[18:15] <popey> its an image
[18:15] <ali1234> it might have done when they were testing it
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: maybe it works with fewer features?
[18:15] <popey> this is the same stuff they would have been testing
[18:15] <ali1234> oh wait i thought you were still talking about the .bashrc
[18:15] <popey> no
[18:15] <gord> nothing in xbmc requires root
[18:16] <popey> haha, the big buck bunny video is in /root
[18:16] <popey> so that xbmc can find it
[18:16] <gord> unless maybe you screwed up your permissions and you need root acess to install plugins or whatever
[18:16] <gord> i saw big buck bunny in 3d on my 3ds today :) nintendo paid for another company to convert it to 3d
[18:18] <ali1234> yeah...removing overlay-scrollbar didn't actually remove the overlay scrollbar
[18:18] <ali1234> maybe i need to fully reboot
[18:24] <ali1234> nope
[18:28] <AlanBell> remove libappmenu.so
[18:29] <AlanBell> or the package that puts it there
[18:29] <AlanBell> I moved mine out of the way whilst playing with weston
[18:29] <ali1234> http://www.tuxgarage.com/2012/05/disable-overlay-scrollbars-in-precise.html
[18:29] <ali1234> ^ that actually works
[18:30] <AlanBell> oh, hang on, I just told you how to remove global menus
[18:30] <ali1234> global menus don't work in fallback session anyway
[18:30] <AlanBell> or wayland
[18:30] <ali1234> though there is a panel widget you can get that is supposed to do it
[18:30] <ali1234> i need to try that
[18:30] <AlanBell> I dunno why the canonical stuff doesn't work
[18:31] <ali1234> i do but this is a family friendly channel
[18:31] <AlanBell> seeing as they want to go to wayland, it would seem sensible to avoid doing stuff that won't work with it
[18:31] <ali1234> since when have they ever done anything sensible?
[18:31] <ali1234> i think the last time was about 4 years ago
[18:32] <soreau> AlanBell: The DX team they have for unity isn't the greatest
[18:32] <davmor2> gord: I've seen all 3 bit to that on mine
[18:32] <ali1234> hey soreau
[18:32] <AlanBell> I am sure there is something sensible in unity
[18:32] <ali1234> i got compiz 0.8.8 working, sort of
[18:33] <AlanBell> lenses are sensible (except for the apps lens)
[18:33] <soreau> hi
[18:33] <ali1234> except that every time i start it the settings are "everything turned off"
[18:33] <ali1234> and i have to manually run gtk-decorator --replace
[18:34] <ali1234> and login sessions that are supposed to start compiz can't find it and so they start metacity instead
[18:34] <soreau> AlanBell: I'm hoping the wayland architecture will force them to take a step back and redesign many of the core concepts on which they rely
[18:34] <ali1234> but apart from that it works much better
[18:37] <soreau> ali1234: Did you install 0.8?
[18:38] <ali1234> yes
[18:38] <ali1234> after manually starting up all the bits and configuring/enabling all the plugins, it works really well
[18:38] <ali1234> much faster than the default version
[18:38] <ali1234> i mean like twice the framerate
[18:38] <soreau> ali1234: To auto-start compiz (hopefully you removed all the compiz 0.9/unity packages) you want to make a script called /usr/bin/compiz and in it, but compiz --replace ccp
[18:39] <soreau> ali1234: I told you it's faster :)
[18:39] <ali1234> also all the bugs with the panel went away
[18:39] <soreau> ali1234: anyway, make the script executable of course
[18:39] <ali1234> of course
[18:39] <ali1234> what about gtk-decorator etc?
[18:40] <soreau> ali1234: put gtk-window-decorator --replace in ccsm>window decoration>command field
[18:40] <ali1234> ah i see
[18:40] <ali1234> ok, gonna try it
[18:41] <diplo> evening all
[18:42] <ali1234> soreau: would it be possible to fork 0.8 just to rename it, so it can be installed easily beside 0.9?
[18:42] <ali1234> s/possible/easy/
[18:45] <soreau> ali1234: It would be more sensible to just create a proper ppa
[18:45] <ali1234> but if it has the same name you can't install it beside unity...
[18:45] <soreau> ali1234: Alternatively, you can install it into a nonstandard prefix such as /opt
[18:46] <soreau> ali1234: Why do you want to install it alongside unity? The two are incompatible
[18:46] <ali1234> so that i can easily demonstrate how much worse 0.9 is to everyone i ever meet
[18:47] <soreau> ali1234: You can install 0.8 to /opt and create scripts to run it
[18:47] <ali1234> that's too much hassle
[18:47] <ali1234> for normal people
[18:47]  * soreau has been meaning to make his 0.9 build script build 0.8 optionally
[18:47] <ali1234> it needs to be a PPA, and it needs to work side by side with unity
[18:48] <ali1234> now afaik the only way to make that possible is to rename eveything
[18:48] <soreau> but now I invest most of my efforts in wayland/weston
[18:49] <soreau> ali1234: You probably can even create packages that install to /opt
[18:50] <ali1234> right testing autostart
[18:53] <ali1234> soreau: all worked, thanks
[18:53] <ali1234> this is basically flawless now
[18:55] <yothsoggoth> does anyone know if there's something wrong with the Rhythmbox package for precise? I removed it and when I reinstalled the command "rhythmbox-client" is no longer found.
[18:58] <soreau> ali1234: Great, glad to hear it
[19:15] <ali1234> yothsoggoth: according to dpkg, /usr/bin/rhythmbox-client is part of rhythmbox package
[19:15] <ali1234> so it should work...
[19:16] <ali1234> i thought it might be in dependent package, but it's not... although maybe it's really missing something else
[19:16] <ali1234> so check if that file exists, if it does, run it with strace
[19:16] <ali1234> command not found can also indicate missing libraries (and it won't tell you)
[19:17] <ali1234> so also try ldd /usr/bin/rhythmbox-client
[19:19] <yothsoggoth> ali1234: I managed to fix it, seems I must have been missing a library, after purging and reinstalling it seems to be there
[20:03] <ali1234> so this finally happened: https://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:FB
[20:10] <bigcalm> Evening peeps :)
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: is it me or is it just going down?
[20:12] <ali1234> well t'sa bit early to say
[20:12] <ali1234> but yeah
[20:19] <oimon> anyone noticed this as an alternative low cost ARM PC? http://www.webupd8.org/2012/05/mk802-new-usb-thumb-drive-sized-android.html
[20:20]  * oimon has been faffing
[20:20] <ali1234> that's no more a PC than it is a phone or a tablet
[20:20] <oimon> around to sim unlock my phone from t-mobile tonight :-\
[20:21] <oimon> i didn't even realise phones were sim locked to networks anymore
[20:21] <ali1234> well... they are?
[20:21] <ali1234> typically there are multiple levels of security
[20:22] <oimon> yeah, so it appears when i tried to attach a giffgaff sim
[20:22] <ali1234> operator lock, firmware lock, application lock
[20:22] <ali1234> nearly all of them can be defeated with the right type of cable
[20:22] <oimon> why is mobile network a security move?
[20:23] <ali1234> because they can
[20:23] <oimon> for financial security
[20:23] <ali1234> right
[20:23] <ali1234> all of them are for financial security
[20:23] <ali1234> you think they care if you brick the phone? only if it costs them money
[20:23] <ali1234> you think they care if you install unsigned malware? etc
[20:23] <oimon> they don't care enough to keep me as customer though
[20:23] <ali1234> of course not
[20:24] <oimon> althogh they did call me 3 days after i requested PAC code with an improved offer
[20:24] <oimon> by then it was too late
[20:24] <ali1234> the only type of customer retention they understand is a 24 month contract and alocked handset
[20:24] <oimon> :(
[20:24] <oimon> sadly true
[20:25] <oimon> i will have the same issue with home adsl/phone provider soon
[20:25] <oimon> only way to get a decent price is to cancel
[20:26] <ali1234> they call it churn
[20:26] <ali1234> they know you'll go somewhere else after 2 years, and they know you'll be back after another 2 years
[20:27] <ali1234> you can buy hundreds of reports about who is churning in and out, sorted by demographic
[20:27] <ali1234> i've never seen one that measures the customers who stay
[20:37] <oimon> i had to tell t-mobile that even if the contract was even lower i couldn't choose it because the signal (in london) is lame and i can't use it where i need it
[20:37] <ali1234> i've never had any problems with t-mobile in london
[20:38] <ali1234> or any mobile network for that matter
[20:38] <ali1234> signal wise
[20:40] <ali1234> i wonder if screen recording works better with this old compiz
[20:40] <ali1234> kazam is pretty good now, with the monitor selection :)
[20:41] <ali1234> needs a nicer indicator icon though
[20:45] <oimon> i found a fantastic tool in windows that ubuntu needs, called psr
[20:45] <ali1234> google isn't helping, what is it?
[20:45] <oimon> it records all of your actions and screenshots and prepares a html page of everything you did,for support purposes
[20:46] <DJones> ali1234: problem step recorder
[20:46] <ali1234> interesting
[20:46] <oimon> it's fantastic
[20:47] <oimon> when installing software on windows server i click record before going through the install
[20:47] <oimon> for my colleagues and the wiki
[20:48] <ali1234> yep, screen recording with kazam works flawlessly with compiz 0.8 and nvidia driver
[20:48] <ali1234> no blank windows, huge shadows etc
[20:48] <ali1234> oimon: that does sound good
[20:49] <oimon> it would be ssuper useful when reporting bugs
[20:49] <ali1234> when i set up a linux server i just keep a copy of all the commands i type :)
[20:49] <oimon> because it records left-click , time stamps etc
[20:49] <ali1234> then if i ever need to do it again i already have a script i can just run
[20:51] <oimon> yeah
[20:52] <oimon> think of the application for recording actions for ubuntu bugs though
[20:52] <oimon> a lot of them are "i clicked here and here".
[20:52] <oimon> it records version numbers of software too
[20:52] <oimon> oops, bedtime...see you all
[21:16]  * Azelphur tries a dist-upgrade to 12.04
[21:16] <Azelphur> inb4 explosions \o/
[21:29] <ali1234> radio 4 repeating on the hour now
[21:29] <ali1234> radio 4 extra, whatever that means
[21:31] <ali1234> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/radio/bbc_radio_four_extra/listenlive
[23:08] <Azelphur> hmm, I'm doing the upgrade to 12.04, it says installing the upgrades
[23:08] <Azelphur> and in the terminal it just says "Extract templates from packages: 100%" | "Preconfiguring packages ..." | "Extract templates from packages: 100%" | "Preconfiguring packages ..."
[23:08] <ali1234> don't upgrade. don't you ever learn?
[23:08] <Azelphur> and it's been hanging there for about an hour now
[23:09] <Azelphur> ali1234: lol
[23:09] <ali1234> it's probably popped a debconf dialog somewhere where you can't see it
[23:09] <ali1234> i think i remember seeing a bug about that when looking for something else
[23:10]  * Azelphur plays hunt the debconf dialog
[23:10] <Azelphur> ali1234: yep, bastard of a thing :P


[02:30] <FurretUber> Just got the third install to crash on upgrade
[02:31] <FurretUber> This time it's still running, so I may get something from it
[02:33] <FurretUber> Got signal 15 from process 1
[02:37] <FurretUber> Hmmm... I tried to use systemctl status lightdm and got "Failed to get properties: Failed to activate service 'org.freedesktop.systemd1': timed out (service_start_timeout=25000ms)"
[02:39] <FurretUber> Apparently when systemd updates, it crashes lightdm and then some commands stop working, as systemctl
[02:52] <FurretUber> I reported this, it is bug 1963600
[02:53] <tomreyn> process 1 is systemd itself
[02:54] <tomreyn> the "SystemdFailedUnits:" output attached to your bug report looks interesting
[02:55] <FurretUber> Is there a way I can get the same info without apport? I have one crashed machine here, with one tty I started before the upgrade
[02:55] <lotuspsychje> FurretUber: does that happen on xubuntu only, or other flavours/desktop aswell?
[02:55] <FurretUber> For now, I tested only with Xubuntu
[02:56] <lotuspsychje> and i didnt test lightdm on -desktop yet, maybe Maik ?
[02:56] <lotuspsychje> or guiverc ^
[02:57] <tomreyn> is that the default kernel version? "ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.15.0-22.22-generic 5.15.19"  https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/linux-image-generic seems to point elsewhere
[02:57]  * guiverc reading ^
[02:57] <tomreyn> (but it could be outdated)
[02:59] <FurretUber> I got this on 5.4.0-100 too
[02:59] <FurretUber> And on 5.13.0-19-generic
[03:00] <lotuspsychje> 5.15.0-18-generic here tomreyn
[03:01] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: right, that's the version p.u.c points to
[03:04] <guiverc> FurretUber, systemd-oomd can close down processes if it detects OOM (out-of-memory)  so I'd check journalctl ; but that's just a thought as I have no ideas from what I see sorry
[03:07] <lotuspsychje> being able to reproduce this, is interesting indeed
[03:09] <FurretUber> From journalctl (which gladly works), there are more services with the service_start_timeout=25000ms message
[03:51] <guiverc> I see 3 bugs (recent) bugs reported on lightdm on jammy with xubuntu/xfce
[09:17] <tarzeau> meh libpcl-dev not installable due to libtbb12 : Breaks: libtbb2 (< 2021) but 2020.3-1 is to be installed
[13:16] <Maik> lotuspsychje: sorry, i only run Ubuntu 22.04 on the Pi and Kubuntu 22.04 on this machine
[13:25] <unixtippse> Hey everyone, any known issues with today's jammy-live-server-amd64.iso? My subiquity test environments download 98%/99% of the image, report "loop0 capacity change", "Unable to find a live filesystem on the network" and drop into an initramfs shell. SHA256 ending in -e4f85b1e double- and triple-checked.
[22:21] <jailbreak> Yeah so hearing Firefox is moving to a 'snap' version, can we still install the .deb with 22.04? please say yeah!!
[22:59] <PaulW2U> jailbreak: no, at Mozilla's request the deb is giving way to the snap - see bug 1962021
[23:21] <kinghat> mozilla also publishing flatpaks too i think 🤔
[23:26] <Maik> so Mozilla decided to drop the deb package in favor of snap on Ubuntu and on the other hand they let Mint still use deb? Makes no sense to me