[05:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- larryprice, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1945 Publishing packages
[05:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- larryprice, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1945 Publish failed: Bad merges
[05:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Saviq, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1636 QA Signoff: Ready
[06:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- larryprice, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1945 Successfully built
[06:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1723 QA Signoff: Failed
[06:30] <Mirv> vigo: the silo 38 is not supposed to fix UITK itself, it only lays out the work that it can be fixed
[06:30] <Mirv> sorry for not being clearer in the ticket
[06:31] <vigo> Mirv, np I tried to ping timop but wasnt cnonnecte
[06:31] <Mirv> vigo: what it does allow is detecting keyboard and mouses, like done in the example application shipped with the packages
[06:31] <vigo> :(
[06:31] <Mirv> vigo: well the bileto's "IRC nick" defaults to Launchpad user name, not IRC nick..
[06:31] <Mirv> vigo: I am Timo..
[06:31] <vigo> oh I didn't know :)
[06:32] <vigo> I have to leave right now important errand
[06:32] <Mirv> it's easy for robru as his IRC nickname is the same as Launchpad user name :)
[06:32] <vigo> I'll ping you once I'm back
[06:32] <Mirv> vigo: ok, let's get back to it later
[06:32] <vigo> thank you!
[07:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1961 Failed to build (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src). Ready to build (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src-gles)
[07:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bzoltan, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1948 Preparing packages
[07:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1957 Release pocket
[07:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1960 Currently building (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src, xenial/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src-gles). Failed to build (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src)
[07:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bzoltan, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1948 Failed to build
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[08:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1960 Currently building (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src-gles). Failed to build (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src, yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src)
[08:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy dbarth, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1962 Currently building (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts)
[08:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bzoltan, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1948 Failed to build (yakkety/ubuntu-ui-toolkit). Pending binary packages (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, yakkety/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles)
[08:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bzoltan, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1948 Preparing packages
[08:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy dbarth, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1962 Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts). Pending binary packages (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts)
[09:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bzoltan, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1948 Currently building (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit). Failed to build (yakkety/ubuntu-ui-toolkit). Pending binary packages (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, yakkety/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles)
[09:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bzoltan, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1948 Failed to build (yakkety/ubuntu-ui-toolkit). Pending binary packages (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, yakkety/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles)
[10:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy dbarth, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1962 Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts, yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts)
[10:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bzoltan, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1948 Failed to build (yakkety/ubuntu-ui-toolkit). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, yakkety/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles)
[10:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1960 Diff missing (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src, xenial/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src-gles). Uploading build (yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src)
[10:42] <popey> sil2100: has OTA-13 landed?
[10:43] <sil2100> popey: no
[10:43] <sil2100> popey: not yet
[10:43] <popey> ffs
[10:43] <popey> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/09/19/over-the-air-13-has-landed/
[10:43] <popey> *again*
[10:43] <sil2100> In ~1-2 days
[10:43] <ogra_> oh man
[10:43] <sil2100> We still didn't get the feedback
[10:43]  * sil2100 sighs
[10:44] <sil2100> They should really just look and wait for the announcement e-mails
[10:44] <ogra_> tell "them"
[10:44] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: ping
[10:44] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, yo!
[10:45] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: hello! Can you do something with that insights post there as per popey's message ^ ?
[10:45] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, nope. nothing to do with me
[10:45] <john-mcaleely> try richard
[10:45] <sil2100> I thought it's somehow related to the product team
[10:45] <sil2100> Ok, will do, thanks ;)
[10:45] <john-mcaleely> sadly, that team does not include me :-)
[10:46] <popey> i poked richard
[10:46] <sil2100> popey: thanks
[10:53] <Mirv> vigo: back from the errand?
[11:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1960 Diff missing (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src-gles). Pending binary packages (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src, yakkety/qtbase-opensource-src)
[11:01] <oSoMoN> trainguards: can the ubuntu-ui-toolkit* packages be deleted from silo 084, please?
[11:03] <oSoMoN> (the corresponding MR was removed from the ticket as it was landed separately)
[11:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1821 Preparing packages
[11:19] <Mirv> oSoMoN: ok
[11:23] <oSoMoN> Mirv, thanks!
[11:25] <mardy> sil2100: hi! In https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1924 I'm creating a new package (account-polld-plugins-go) which should be included in the images; is a "Recommends" enough? Do I need to file a MIR bug or what is the procedure here?
[11:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1960 Generating diffs
[11:29] <sil2100> mardy: hey! So from what I see and remember, generally image builds do not pull in recommends, so in order to get it into the images it would need to be a dep or added to the seeds
[11:30] <sil2100> mardy: that being said, an MIR would always be welcome
[11:30] <mardy> sil2100: ok, I'll turn it into a depends then
[11:31] <mardy> sil2100: I'll check if there is a MIR for account-polld itself, and if not I'll create one
[11:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy dbarth, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1924 Preparing packages
[11:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy dbarth, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1924 yakkety/account-polld: Failed to merge https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/account-polld/external-plugins
[11:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1960 Successfully built
[11:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1821 Pending binary packages (vivid/webbrowser-app, xenial/webbrowser-app, yakkety/webbrowser-app). Ready to build (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, yakkety/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, yakkety/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Successfully built (vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, yakkety/q
[11:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy dbarth, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1924 Preparing packages
[11:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bzoltan, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1948 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/ubuntu-ui-toolkit). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, yakkety/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles)
[11:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bzoltan, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1948 Preparing packages
[11:56] <mardy> sil2100: on a second thought, the recommends->depends solution is not a good one, it creates a cyclical dependency and is not really correct; will I need to file a bug to get it added to the seed, or how does it work?
[11:57] <sil2100> mardy: ok, if it can't be a dependency because of such a thing then please file in a bug for adding it to the seeds
[11:57] <sil2100> You can assign it to me and I'll pick it up once the package is out
[11:58] <mardy> sil2100: OK; against which component?
[11:58] <sil2100> mardy: ubuntu-touch-meta would be best
[11:58] <sil2100> Thanks :)
[12:00] <mardy> sil2100: ok, thanks
[12:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cjwatson, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1959 Publishing packages
[12:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1821 Ready to build (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, yakkety/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, yakkety/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Successfully built (vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, vivid/webbrowser-app, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/webbrowser-app, yakkety/qtubuntu, yakkety/qtubuntu-gles, yakkety/webbrowser
[12:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy dbarth, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1924 Currently building (yakkety/account-polld). Failed to build (vivid/account-polld-plugins-go, xenial/account-polld-plugins-go). Pending binary packages (vivid/account-polld, xenial/account-polld). Successfully built (yakkety/account-polld-plugins-go)
[12:29] <dobey> mardy: hey. why was uss-oa binaries removed from s390x?
[12:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cjwatson, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1959 Proposed pocket
[12:44] <mardy> dobey: hi! No idea, it looks like s390x binaries are being removed for several projects once in a while...
[12:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1963 Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/address-book-service). Pending binary packages (vivid/address-book-service, xenial/address-book-service)
[12:45] <dobey> hmm ok
[12:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1963 Preparing packages
[12:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy dbarth, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1924 Failed to build (vivid/account-polld-plugins-go, xenial/account-polld-plugins-go). Pending binary packages (vivid/account-polld, xenial/account-polld, yakkety/account-polld). Successfully built (yakkety/account-polld-plugins-go)
[12:46] <dobey> i guess easiest thing for me to do then is to just add a build-dep on that too :(
[12:48] <mardy> dobey: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/yakkety/s390x/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts
[12:48] <mardy> slangasek: hi! Why are s390x packages being deleted?
[12:49] <dobey> mardy: i presume it's because u-s-s was, as that depends on ual
[12:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bzoltan, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1948 Pending binary packages
[12:50] <dobey> it's also 5:50 AM for steve right now. wouldn't expect him for a few mor hours still :)
[13:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1963 Pending binary packages
[13:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy dbarth, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1924 Failed to build (vivid/account-polld-plugins-go, xenial/account-polld-plugins-go). Pending binary packages (yakkety/account-polld). Successfully built (vivid/account-polld, xenial/account-polld, yakkety/account-polld-plugins-go)
[13:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bzoltan, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1948 Pending binary packages (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, yakkety/ubuntu-ui-toolkit). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, yakkety/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles)
[13:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1943 Preparing packages
[13:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1943 yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings: Failed to commit https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/snapd-paths2. You must supply either a Commit Message on your MP, or a custom debian/changelog entry
[13:32] <dobey> mardy: don't you use ubuntu-app-launch to do the trusted prompt session bits for online accounts?
[13:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1723 QA Signoff: Approved
[13:33] <mardy> dobey: nope
[13:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1723 Publishing packages
[13:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- larryprice, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1945 Generating diffs
[13:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- larryprice, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1945 Preparing packages
[13:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Preparing packages
[13:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1943 Needs rebuild due to burned version number (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings)
[14:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1723 Proposed pocket (yakkety/qtsystems-opensource-src). Release pocket (vivid/qtsystems-opensource-src, xenial/qtsystems-opensource-src)
[14:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1963 Successfully built
[14:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy dbarth, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1924 Failed to build (vivid/account-polld-plugins-go, xenial/account-polld-plugins-go). Successfully built (vivid/account-polld, xenial/account-polld, yakkety/account-polld, yakkety/account-polld-plugins-go)
[14:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Currently building (vivid/telephony-service, xenial/telephony-service, yakkety/telephony-service). Failed to build (xenial/telepathy-ofono, yakkety/telepathy-ofono). Successfully built (vivid/history-service, vivid/messaging-app, vivid/telepathy-ofono, xenial/history-service, xenial/messaging-app, yakkety/history-service, yakkety/messaging-app)
[14:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- larryprice, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1945 Pending binary packages
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[15:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- larryprice, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1945 Proposed pocket
[15:08] <Saviq> rvr, hey, anything I can help with wrt ticket #1636 ?
[15:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1897 Failed to build (xenial/history-service, yakkety/history-service). Pending binary packages (vivid/history-service, vivid/telephony-service, xenial/telephony-service, yakkety/telephony-service). Ready to build (vivid/telepathy-qt, xenial/telepathy-qt, yakkety/telepathy-qt)
[15:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1943 Preparing packages
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[15:57] <robru> Mirv: what? It was changed to use IRC nick, is yours not set on your lp account?
[16:04] <robru> Mirv: https://git.launchpad.net/bileto/tree/bileto/lplib.py#n67
[16:08] <slangasek> mardy: the uninstallable and useless desktop packages that gum up proposed-migration?  that's why ;)
[16:18] <seb128> michi, Mirv, mterry, how can we unblock https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thumbnailer/+bug/1613561 ?
[16:18] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1613561 in thumbnailer (Ubuntu) "[MIR] thumbnailer" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[16:18] <seb128> michi, did you talk to Mirv if you think it's a qt bug?
[16:18] <seb128> or do you need access to porter boxes?
[16:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1943 Pending binary packages (vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (yakkety/ubuntu-system-settings)
[16:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1943 Pending binary packages
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[16:57] <dobey> seb128: ooh, i wonder if QDBus is being used in there at all
[16:57] <seb128> is it known to have issues?
[16:58] <dobey> oh but if that's only on arm64 and ppc64el, might be a different issue
[16:58] <dobey> seb128: yeah, upstream changed to using threads for async there instead of the main event loop, so it's been causing a few problems
[16:59] <dobey> Mirv: do you know if the old event loop based code is still in 5.6? if so maybe we could build with it instead of the new threading code, for the time being?
[17:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- timo-jyrinki, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1964 Pending binary packages (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src). Ready to build (xenial/qtbase-opensource-src-gles)
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[17:18] <robru> Mirv: https://git.launchpad.net/bileto/commit/?id=fcfeceabf35d4846404481dd48b9325feae03028
[17:23] <dobey> robru: did you change bileto to create PPAs as just the request number, rather than being preceded with "landing-" in the past couple of days?
[17:36] <robru> dobey: yes
[17:43] <Mirv> robru: :D :D probably back when I've added those there hasn't been example stating it should be a server instead of a name
[17:43] <Mirv> michi: no open ppc64el / arm64 bugs in Qt 5.6 at the moment (yes for powerpc 32-bit), but those are of course less tested. for us the arm64 is the relevant one.
[17:43] <robru> Mirv: lol, when we added that feature we only saw server addresses in there. new code should handle both cases anyway
[17:44] <Mirv> dobey: unfortunately not, it was removed. it was causing trouble like we had unbootable images if we didn't do sleep (42) sort of random stuff..
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[17:47] <dobey> Mirv: oh. :(
[17:47] <dobey> well this is no fun
[18:00] <sil2100> robru, slangasek: be there in a minute
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[18:41] <mardy> slangasek: would I better add [!s390x] in debian/control then?
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[18:46] <dobey> mardy: if it's triple landing, then you have to deal with xenial too at that point, because that would disable building on s390x where binaries already exist
[18:51] <slangasek> mardy: you should ensure your package has a build-dependency on some appropriate other package which is unavailable in yakkety because of this, but you should not do [!s390x] for the reason dobey mentions
[18:51] <slangasek> and because s390x support may come back when u-a-l migrates off of upstart
[18:53] <slangasek> in the case of ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts, libsystemsettings-dev should already suffice
[18:54]  * dobey wonders mir will support remote display
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[23:16] <michi> mirv, seb128: Not sure what is going on with the segfaults on ppc and arm64
[23:17] <michi> The tests that fail are end-to-end tests that use QDBus.
[23:17] <michi> That’s been re-engineered, and we also had problems with click falling over due to QDBus changes.
[23:17] <michi> I wonder whether it could be the same underlying thing.
[23:17] <michi> I don’t think we can use the porter boxes to try and debug this.
[23:18] <michi> Last time I tried, they were not available with the overlay.
[23:18] <michi> I have an M10. I’ll try and build on that to see whether I an learn more.
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[04:32] <Chat4908> hello
[05:45] <DarwinSurvivor> wow, that bot stayed a whole 38 seconds, I think that's a new record!
[15:37] <dscassel> Chat#### users are usually people from web chat clients, I thought...
[17:37] <DarwinSurvivor> dscassel: hmm, that's probably true. still 38 seconds is pretty sad...


 @dohbee [sudo ubports-qa install media-hub 22 iirc], No its `sudo ubports-qa install xenial_-_remotemedia`
[01:55] <topoi> Heyho. What is the prefered way to drop in (semipersistent) startup scripts? Is it feasable to write a systemd script? Is it feasable to drop it in /usr/lib/systemd/user ?
 What are you trying to do with your startup script?
 To answer your second question, no, we don't use systemd for system or user sessions on Ubuntu Touch. We use Upstart, but your changes to the root filesystem (like to drop files in `/usr/share/upstart/sessions/`) will be overwritten
 So hopefully we could help you find another way to do what you want so you won't have to take that option
 (Thats @topoi)
 @Fuseteam [no not exactly, but i'll post the question to you too: what 'freedom' do you exp …], Just as I said.. Its more like the ideological differences b/w a desktop and a mobile operating system.. since true gnu/linux in  mobile is new to the market some people did expect it to be a mobile pc. But I get it, its more like "we are not gonna
[03:20] <ubptgbot>  depend on google for our software" rather than "a pocket pc"
[03:34] <topoi> Nice, that really helped ubptgbot!! Are you running GPT-3? =3
[03:34] <topoi> Ehhm.. I meant UnivrslSuprBox. =)
 @Stereofont [Okay, thanks. Something like that was reported with 3T], I tested it this evening and the camera doesn't affect the ringtone.
 Are there any alternative app stores yet?
 I tried installing snapd and haven't been successful yet
 Also, does just any HDMI+USBC cable work for display as a full Ubuntu desktop? Or should I be looking for a specific cable
 @ttdemartini [Are there any alternative app stores yet?], alternative to what? it's not like there's people creating alternate app stores because the main one is full of trackers or whatnot like google/apple stores. and legacy apps aren't designed for phones. so what exactly do you want?
 @ttdemartini [I tried installing snapd and haven't been successful yet], no, snaps will not work on UT
 @ttdemartini [Also, does just any HDMI+USBC cable work for display as a full Ubuntu desktop? O …], no, it depends on your device if it will work at all and what cable would be needed to do so
 @Ozu [Just as I said.. Its more like the ideological differences b/w a desktop and a m …], But what do  people expect from a "mobile pc"? Running firefox? Running libreoffice? Those should run fine if libertine gets improved
 @ttdemartini [I tried installing snapd and haven't been successful yet], Snapd requires systemd, current ubuntu touch doesn't use systemd
 @Fuseteam [But what do  people expect from a "mobile pc"? Running firefox? Running libreoff …], i think the core issue here is this gatekeeping ideology of calling something "true gnu/linux" only if some few people agree with how it works, rather than you know, facts about what the definition of gnu/linux is
 @Fuseteam [Snapd requires systemd, current ubuntu touch doesn't use systemd], Thanks still learning.
 @dohbee [i think the core issue here is this gatekeeping ideology of calling something "t …], Hmm yeah, i'm still just gather opinions of what they say tho, as noted earlier it may easier to queit them down it its just "install traditional linux apps" :p … So far i've not gotten more than that as an answer xD
 @dohbee [i think the core issue here is this gatekeeping ideology of calling something "t …], [Edit] Hmm yeah, i'm still just gathering opinions of what they say tho, as noted earlier it may easier to queit them down it its just "install traditional linux apps" :p … So far i've not gotten more than that as an answer xD
 @dohbee [i think the core issue here is this gatekeeping ideology of calling something "t …], I’m happy that it is not Apple or Google controlled. That’s a big deal. The project will definitely mature with time. For all the other bells and whistles, we can use whatever Android/ iPhone daily driver we are all using anyways
 Hmmm we're drifting a bit
 @ttdemartini mind sending me an pm? I would like to hear what you expect of a "mobile pc"
 Did i ping the wrong person?
 @Fuseteam [But what do  people expect from a "mobile pc"? Running firefox? Running libreoff …], @dohbee is right here.. it is that gatekeeping ideology which is "If I use gnu/linux I must do things via commandline otherwise it's not true gnu/linux"
 Oh wow that's a response i didn't expect
 So then the follow up question is "do what?" … Install apps? Update?
 it doesn't matter
 it's the false ideal of "having control" over something they don't truly understand, even if it's actually a less secure system in the end
 It is technically possible to update via ssh, just not via apt for example :p
 it's not about apps or anything sensible, though i know you're trying to find some sense in it
 yeah.. command line is a bad nerdy habbit of a false sence of security
 it's literally the "i should be able to run a mail server on my phone if i want to, and not because i should or not, but because i can" type of mentality
 lol
 you can't have a sensible discussion with people who are going to end up doing things because they can even if they shouldn't. that's how you end up with a T-Rex running around San Diego
 @dohbee [it's the false ideal of "having control" over something they don't truly underst …], That's what i'm probing lol, i'm getting tired of the rw question popping up whenever ut is discussed; so i'm attempting an unscientific survey of "but what are you doing that you think an ro rootfs won't allow"
 @Fuseteam [That's what i'm probing lol, i'm getting tired of the rw question popping up whe …], perhaps you haven't noticed but the rest of us are also quite tired of it
 and really if what they want is to run a standard ubuntu/debian/whatever on their phone, they should just go do that instead
 but of course then they will be all "but wifi, calling, etc etc don't work"
 but well that's what they want. latest kernel on arbitrary hardware with ability to apt-get to their heart's desire
 @dohbee [perhaps you haven't noticed but the rest of us are also quite tired of it], I know, we all are, so i'm probing for material to write up a forum post about it
 yeah. i'm just saying that you can't explain sense to people who are not sensible. it doesn't matter if they can achieve what they want without apt. they care more about apt than achieving their goals :)
 trust me, i've been explaining that for 6+ years already :P
 Hmm i have disagree slightly; you can't explain sense if you don't know their side of it. But if they are willing to talk, than that can be an entry point
 The thing is i also expected a rw rootfs in the beginning, heck i didn't even  know a ro rootfs was a thing.  … But after easifly resetting my own faulty changes a couple of times and seeing the other benefits; i started to question why apt even needs a rw rootfs in the first place and what i was actually doing with a ro rootfs
 In my case its `installing cli apps` and `modifying qml files directly on the device`
 The latter in the hope of learning enough qml to better contribute code
 Ohw and for former i'm looking into a solution
[05:42] <ubptgbot> Diecko was added by: Diecko
 @just_carlod [yeah, yumi rtx on looks amazing :)], it has normal shadows
 4g lte sim isn't working on my Nexus 5
 Network is Jio India
[07:03] <ubptgbot> lebeau ROUX was added by: lebeau ROUX
 @arunkumar413 [Network is Jio India], Jio is VoLTE only, that is why I belive.
 Hi guys. Need help for my OP3. Can't connect to TV via wireless display. I'm using a kind of Chromecast. The phone finds it, tries to connect but doesn't succeed. Can anybody help me?
[08:20] <roo^y> via wifi 2.4GHz?/wifi 5GHz/bluetooth?
 Via wi-fi 2.4 Ghz
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/fJtMM4uH.png
 After reading the “I want APT!!!” messages for a few days now, I'm like: “I imagine that Libertine is like Termux, or even better, so why is that not enough for you‽”
 @Giupeste [Hi guys. Need help for my OP3. Can't connect to TV via wireless display. I'm usi …], The only wifi adapter confirmed to be working is the Microsoft Miracast-Adapter
 I did not hear any success stories for other hardware
 @Flohack [I did not hear any success stories for other hardware], Thank you so much Florian
 My adapter is for shure not the best, but had no problem with other phones😊
[09:23] <ubptgbot> Santi ROMAIN was added by: Santi ROMAIN
 @elsandosgrande [After reading the “I want APT!!!” messages for a few days now, I'm like: “I imag …], Idk what the limits are to libertine, but many cant use it, libertine doesn't work on he op3 or pinephone for example.
 Oh.
[10:15] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> Does MTP actually work? I can see my device in the devices notification, but can't access the files. Any hints? It's about the Xperia X
 Can anyone upload a short demo of UT on Xperia X ?
[10:20] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> @coding_hedgehog [Can anyone upload a short demo of UT on Xperia X ?], What exactly do you want to know?
 @Boris Mihailov [What exactly do you want to know?], I'd like to see how snappy UT works on it. What about fingerprint scanner ? Does it work on it ?
[10:26] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> @coding_hedgehog [I'd like to see how snappy UT works on it. What about fingerprint scanner ? Does …], It's quite fast actually. A lot of issues that I had at the beggining (like watching youtube and all) are fixed. I'm still watching at 720p though, since hardware acceleration for the browser isn't quite there yet, also still foun
[10:26] <ubptgbot> d alternatives for most of my apps (and created/installed webapps with the Webber app. … And the FP scanner doesn't work yet, but as I'm aware, there are efforts on making it work. Also video recording with the camera isn't working (we recently switched to arm64 so there are some quirks that need to be solved).
 @Boris Mihailov [It's quite fast actually. A lot of issues that I had at the beggining (like watc …], Thanks for the feedback.
[11:25] <ubptgbot> LUCIO MARIELIES was added by: LUCIO MARIELIES
[11:27] <ubptgbot> Edmondo picard was added by: Edmondo picard
 @Fuseteam [Hmm i have disagree slightly; you can't explain sense if you don't know their si …], Rodney is right that the 'high priests' of that ideology are beyond hope. But debate is a constructive way to influence those who are not sure which way to jump
 nobody is beyond hope imo ;3
 @Fuseteam [nobody is beyond hope imo ;3], True, but it may take so much effort to make them see reason that they might as well be beyond hope. Those people are generally classified as “hopeless”.
 long way to be sceptical xD
 [Edit] lol way to be sceptical xD
 That's not skepticism, but realism.
 that's one way to define it :p
 the only people that are truly beyond hope are those who refuse to see reason, but even those may change their minds
 [Edit] the only people that are truly beyond hope are those who refuse to see reason, and even those may change their minds eventually
 @coding_hedgehog [Can anyone upload a short demo of UT on Xperia X ?], I have a not short video on youtubr
 @elsandosgrande [After reading the “I want APT!!!” messages for a few days now, I'm like: “I imag …], haha yeah
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Idk what the limits are to libertine, but many cant use it, libertine doesn't wo …], that wouldn't be much different if apt was supported fwiw
 in fact i'd argue libertine is better than pure apt :p
 @Fuseteam [in fact i'd argue libertine is better than pure apt :p], mess things up, nuke the container, lol
 @Boris Mihailov [Does MTP actually work? I can see my device in the devices notification, but can …], MTP doesn't work until you unlock your device. It's a security measure.
[15:10] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> @fredldotme [MTP doesn't work until you unlock your device. It's a security measure.], Thought so, but still couldn't access it on my laptop.
 Weird, never had issues with MTP.
 MTP isn't really reliable in my experience even on Android
 just use SSH 😄
[15:13] <ubptgbot> <Varun Ravindranath> @atp468 [If all i need is calls text and a browser, can i use ub as a primary devica?], Jnjjhgghbbvcchjf
[15:13] <ubptgbot> <Varun Ravindranath> (Voice, 2s) https://irc.ubports.com/C89Kt40i.oga
[15:13] <ubptgbot> <Varun Ravindranath> (Voice, 2s) https://irc.ubports.com/r0gKyvpV.oga
 @Fuseteam [in fact i'd argue libertine is better than pure apt :p], Apt works when libertine doesn't tho, so thats an advantage.
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Apt works when libertine doesn't tho, so thats an advantage.], libertine works fine on pinephone. you just can't use any graphical apps with it yet because of missing xwayland support that isn't ready yet
 you can do CLI stuff all day in libertine though
 Oh, alright, thanks for that, Ill give that another go!
 my phone has a full debian install dual-boot option... its handy for really specific things but like...  i could take it or leave it, i would much rather have a good mobile-first OS... for me the debian install is more about me being a curmudgeon who is used to using certain specific applications for specific tasks and the android alter
[15:26] <ubptgbot> native is bad enough that its worth having a 'desktop version'... but like... if libertine can also run that application, that would be much better for me than having to run a desktop environment on a 5" screen 😆
 that use case doesn't pre-suppose a r/w root, it just pre-supposes being able to run said desktop app... which libertine would manage (if libertine was fully working)
 aside from that... i pretty much just boot the debian install for nerd cred
 @dohbee are the ota updates system independent?
 @Ozu [@dohbee are the ota updates system independent?], not entirely no. there is one rootfs tarball for most android devices, another rootfs tarball for android9 devices, and a rootfs tarball for pinephone/pinetab. then each device has their own kernel, recovery, and system images where appropriate for example
 so each update has to be manually built by respective device maintainers?
 no, things are built in CI
 Oo.
[16:03] <ubptgbot> <Boris Mihailov> @fredldotme [Weird, never had issues with MTP.], on a random retry it worked. Oh well
 @YougoChats [mess things up, nuke the container, lol], lol something like that
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Apt works when libertine doesn't tho, so thats an advantage.], the thing is if libertine doesn't work, apt wouldn't work either
 @PiecerEdd [that use case doesn't pre-suppose a r/w root, it just pre-supposes being able to …], yup if it is just "i want to run that application" that much more workable then "r/w rootfs plox" xD
 @Ozu [Oo.], yup it's a pretty awesome system BD
 @Fuseteam [yup if it is just "i want to run that application" that much more workable then …], i suppose no matter how you slice it as well people dont see libertine as a 'native' application install... like its siloed off from the rest of your OS
 and for some reason that is "bad"
 @Fuseteam [the thing is if libertine doesn't work, apt wouldn't work either], Gimp installed via apt on my op3 but now libertine is working so eh, Im pretty sure I used apt on this before because libertine didn't work, but libertine works now so it doesn't really matter.
 i can see no reason why apt would work but libertine would fail, such a thing should be reported :p
 @PiecerEdd [i suppose no matter how you slice it as well people dont see libertine as a 'nat …], yeah i'm sure what they even mean with 'native' it build for the device and for the os, its 'native' lol
 @PiecerEdd [i suppose no matter how you slice it as well people dont see libertine as a 'nat …], [Edit] yeah i'm sure what they even mean with 'native'; i mean if it build for the device arch and for the os, its 'native' lol
 libertine apps arent really built for the OS though, thats sort of the point of why you have a 'regular' ubuntu rootfs that libertine apps run from hehe
 @Fuseteam [i can see no reason why apt would work but libertine would fail, such a thing sh …], Apparmor me believes
 @PiecerEdd [libertine apps arent really built for the OS though, thats sort of the point of …], muhehehe yeah true
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Apparmor me believes], ..... i can somewhat believe that somehow but if it works now it works it you encounter it again we can probe it :p
 Yeah it works now so thats great!
 Actually never mind some errors during install
 @Fuseteam [the only people that are truly beyond hope are those who refuse to see reason, a …], Those are the ones which I was thinking of.
 makes sense
 Hello I have a Nexus 4 running OTA-14. … While I can find other bluetooth devices like my notebook, the Nexus doesn't seem to find any of my bluetooth headphones. … Is there a known hotfix for this issue?
 you should able too them in the bluetooth settings
 [Edit] you should able to see them in the bluetooth settings
 make sure they are discoverable and your bluetooth is on
[19:53] <ubptgbot> reycaruz was added by: reycaruz
 @Schmuel [Hello I have a Nexus 4 running OTA-14. … While I can find other bluetooth devices …], Bluetooth works well with some devices, not so well with others and not at all with some. Probably the only fix is to get lucky and find headphones that work
 Thanks for the quick response! … However it turned out working at the 5th attempt... and keeps working!
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/Puu12s0f.webp
 @Schmuel [Thanks for the quick response! … However it turned out working at the 5th attempt. …], Perfect!
 5th is a charm, for the 2nd time 🙂
[21:39] <ubptgbot> John Jabba was added by: John Jabba
 Fwd from CinicoDoc: Bq x2
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/nQigigq8.png I am following the online guide step by step but I have some problems with the complete compilation, what should I put between the two manifest? the official ones, those of Los or those of themuppets
 please don't cross-post @CinicoDoc you've already asked in the better place for such questions
 @dohbee [please don't cross-post @CinicoDoc you've already asked in the better place for …], Ok sorry
 @Schmuel [Thanks for the quick response! … However it turned out working at the 5th attempt. …], Try to switch of the wifi or move to 5ghz, wifi 2.4 and bluetooth on the nexus 4 overlap badly.
 @Schmuel [Thanks for the quick response! … However it turned out working at the 5th attempt. …], [Edit] Try to switch off the wifi or move to 5ghz, wifi 2.4 and bluetooth on the nexus 4 overlap badly.
 @Ern_st [Try to switch off the wifi or move to 5ghz, wifi 2.4 and bluetooth on the nexus …], That sounds like you're describing my laptop 🙃.
 @Flohack [Standards are for pussies and commercial software...], so, I noticed no one commented about it but this was a pretry misogynistic thing to say. I understand your point with the sentence but I think that following the code of conduct of the community and as an admin, it wasn't thoughtful saying that, since there is male a
[23:38] <ubptgbot> nd transgender users here. I did not feel comfortable reading it, and less comfortable that this comment was not addressed as wrong.
[23:41] <ubptgbot> SCHMITZ RODERICK was added by: SCHMITZ RODERICK
 @miranda_almeida [so, I noticed no one commented about it but this was a pretry misogynistic thing …], i missed it earlier, but i've deleted the offending comment and will call him out on it when he's around tomorrow or so
 thanks :)


[04:54] <cjwatson> nigelb: spammers have been forging From: addresses for many years
[04:55] <cjwatson> it's not really worth commenting on by this point :)
[06:43] <nigelb> cjwatson: Heh. You're probably right.
[06:43] <nigelb> cjwatson: The one that looked like a twitter DM takes the cake, I think.
[12:14] <czajkowski> aloha
[12:14] <rick_h_> howdy czajkowski
[12:15] <czajkowski> rick_h_: hey how you doing?
[12:15] <czajkowski> rick_h_: you not off this week ?
[12:16] <rick_h_> czajkowski: yea, I'm off, just having some breakfast and watching the boy play with his new birthday present
[12:16] <czajkowski> awww
[12:16] <rick_h_> but always on irc, I talk with most of my friends through it
[12:16] <czajkowski> am off also
[12:16] <czajkowski> but just doing some pot reviews so they don't build up and reviewing some RTs
[12:17] <rick_h_> yea, catchup is a $#@#@


[08:35] <DanChapman> good morning
[08:35] <elfy> it is - the sun is out and shiny shiny
[08:35] <elfy> :)
[08:38] <DanChapman> elfy indeed, perfect weather with the nice chill in the air :-)
[08:39] <elfy> yep :)
[08:39] <elfy> DanChapman: thanks for the work you've been doing with lderan when needed - I am glad to have gotten rid of that particular millstone :)
[08:39] <elfy> made NO sense to me at all :p
[08:42] <DanChapman> elfy your welcome, Ive actually made a start on a test for gthumb and will tidy up evince and file roller so you will have a few to get started with :-)
[08:43] <Noskcaj> DanChapman, Maybe wait till my next upload of gthumb for more advanced stuff since all the web plugins broke
[08:43] <elfy> DanChapman: excellent - my next bunch if questions will be where are the reports and is there a way to understand those :D
[08:44] <Noskcaj> And where can i find the autopilot on xfce infos you are talking about
[08:46] <DanChapman> Noskcaj, Cool well I will leave the plugins etc till then. What xfce info you after?
[08:46] <DanChapman> elfy lol reports on what desktop apps or ubiquity?
[08:46] <Noskcaj> How to autopilot on it, or at least which channel's logs to try and read through
[08:46] <elfy> DanChapman: desktop apps when they appear :) nothing to worry about now
[08:47] <elfy> Noskcaj: try talking with lderan - he's been doing a fair bit with I believe
[08:47]  * DanChapman noticed the user-session bug is fixed so lubuntu/xubuntu tests will be running again :-)
[08:47] <Noskcaj> elfy, I'll do that tomorrow.
[08:48] <elfy> DanChapman: cool - I sort of have my head around those reports
[08:48] <DanChapman> elfy ahh i see well that depends on jibel and gema's plans for them, its planned for this cycle to get them running on the daily image but not sure when :-)
[08:49] <elfy> yep - I do try to read what's going on


[15:03] <k1l> are user like Laughing_man (~sigkilll@gateway/tor-sasl/sigkilll)  need to be reported to #freenode?
[15:22] <Myrtti> why?
[15:22] <Myrtti> is there any other reason than what he did in #ubuntu?


[22:45] <rainbowwarrior> Hi, I am running Ubuntu 19.04 and trying to compile libtool 1.2 and on the make i get this error :- checking host system type... Invalid configuration `x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu': machine `x86_64-unknown' not recognized
[22:45] <rainbowwarrior> how can i fix it please?
[23:25] <tomreyn> rainbowwarrior: which compiler is this, and where from?
[23:25] <tomreyn> http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/config.git/commit/?id=ca9bfb8cc75a2be1819d89c664a867785c96c9ba
[23:29] <rainbowwarrior> gcc 8.2.0-12
[23:30] <rainbowwarrior> its when i try and use the make command for libtool 1.2


[03:57] <ScottL> TheMuso, just an FYI, i've installed both the ubuntu alternate and studio (alpha3) and did not experience any problems with install (aptitude) :)
[03:57] <ScottL> i'm not sure what problem falktx was having, i'm still guessing because it was in VM *shrug*
[04:07] <TheMuso> ScottL: ok
[04:07] <TheMuso> right
[12:36]  * abogani waves


[00:49] <omegatron> mybalzitch: which version, which hardware (gpu), which driver, which ... ?  please be more precise ...
[00:50] <mybalzitch> ubuntu 20.04, gtx 1080ti, latest nvidia thats been "tested"
[00:50] <mybalzitch> gnome was fine
[00:51] <omegatron> latest? which version exactly? there were multiple issues with some recent versions across the board ..
[00:53] <mybalzitch> xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-460
[00:54] <mybalzitch> and I've got a window titlebar thats orange'ish, and if I move over the window it'll then render the minimize/close buttons
[00:54] <mybalzitch> when the rest of my windows have a grey top
[00:54] <omegatron> you might try the 465 version ..
[00:55] <omegatron> do you use the default appearance scheme ?
[00:57] <mybalzitch> https://imgur.com/a/vO48KPe
[00:58] <mybalzitch> I changed my theme and style
[00:58] <omegatron> sorry, I can't open imgur.com - it's blocked here =(
[00:58] <mybalzitch> dropbox?
[00:59] <mybalzitch> ok I installed 465. guess I'll reboot at some point and see if that fixes it. thank you
[00:59] <omegatron> I would try it with the default appearance style(s) for some hours or days - if this issue does NOT appear, it's most likely the theme/style
[00:59] <mybalzitch> oh ok. I am using the ones it shipped with. Breeze dark and oxygen
[01:01] <omegatron> well then .. you might try another version of the nouveau driver (you might even consider a downgrade, just to test it)
[01:03] <omegatron> eh, nvidia I mean, of course
[01:05] <mybalzitch> yeah, it worked mostly under windows. been thinking I might get an amd gpu if they are ever available
[01:05] <omegatron> i'm using nouveau with my 1060, because the nvidia driver software is ... really bad, at least for my work environment ( 2 x 1920x1200, 1 x 4K ) - it screws up monitor configuration
[01:06] <omegatron> any future work machines for me will not include any nvidia hardware anymore  ;-)
[01:06] <omegatron> but that's of course only from my own experience ..
[01:09] <omegatron> I guess your machine is not low on memory, when this happens?
[01:10] <mybalzitch> no, 64gb and 10gb free atm
[01:11] <mybalzitch> and it seems to happen if I open the kde menu
[01:11] <mybalzitch> sometimes..
[01:11] <mybalzitch> and seems worse when videos are rendering
[01:11] <mybalzitch> er, sorry, playing.
[02:19] <mybalzitch> oh, kde is really upset now. system settings won't open
[02:59] <diablo_> hi
 https://akademy.kde.org/2021/track-1 KDE aKademy 2021 is on
[07:26] <luna> https://akademy.kde.org/2021/track-1 KDE aKademy 2021 is on
 @bittin1 no need to post it twice, here and on IRC, remember this groups is bridged to the IRC channel. ;)
 @bittin1 no need to post it twice, here and on IRC, remember this group is bridged to the IRC channel. ;)
 yeah i forgot about that
 Hi everyone, can some help with connecting printer Pantum M6700DW, update update to 21.04 it stopped working, printer queue says filter failed
 Don't think people in the KDE KDE Community has tried to be nice to me as a newcomer, so won't try to help them with things other then Calamares: https://calamares.io/ related things
 and only help GNOME, Xfce, Lumina, Cutefish, IceWM, LXDE & LXQt from now on
[13:15] <kirvesAxe> Does anyone have experience using Kate regex with a lookbehind succesfully?
[13:15] <kirvesAxe> (just wondering if I just fail at writing the expression or have I found a bug)
[13:16] <omegatron> well, show us your expression, and we can test it ..
[13:17] <kirvesAxe> Because everytime I get a pattern that should match, Kate just finds a 0-digit result at the point where the lookbehind should end and the actual pattern should start, quite useless when trying to mass find/replace :)
[13:19] <kirvesAxe> (?<=[A-Z])[ \t]{7}
[13:20] <kirvesAxe> Should match every seven-space pattern that is after a letter, but it just "finds" a result between the letter and the space
[13:23] <omegatron> hm, works for me, as it seems - what version are you using?
[13:25] <kirvesAxe> 19.12.3
[13:26] <omegatron> 20.12.3 here - maybe it's really a bug in your version ..
[13:29] <kirvesAxe> hmm, I guess I'll try to see if there's a newer version available on the repositories when I get home, I do think I updated everything pretty recently but :)
[13:32] <omegatron> i'm on 21.0.4
[14:56] <kirvesAxe> ...and the version I have seems to be the latest version the standard kubuntu repositories offer ;o
[17:45] <mg_> Hello! For some reason my swap file doesnt get initiated when i boot- help?
[17:45] <mg_> 21.04 btw
[17:49] <mg_> "Failed to activate swap /swapfile" in one line, then "Dependency failed for Swap", repeats a bit and then boots
[17:49] <mg_> And there is a swapfile to begin with, fresh install, 2Gb
 Ensure the partition mounted to /swapfile is set to swap file in the KDE partition manager.
 Also, check /etc/fstab to ensure it mounting the swap partition as swap:
 # swap was on /dev/sdb1 during installation
 UUID=912b07a9-ec42-46b2-b2f5-913978685f64 none            swap    sw              0       0
 KDE partition manager example: : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/277fc1be/file_44850.jpg
[19:05] <niceGuy00> 4K monitor scaling how to do?
 Wayland or Xorg?
 If xorg, I recommend setting font DPI to 144 to 168.  If wayland,  System Settings -> Display and Monitor, Display Config, Global Scale.
 It's quite impossible if you have a laptop with a regular dpi screen and a hidpi screen attached.


[06:03] <azzid> need help with my ath wifi card, it is not being detected on 13.04, here's some data http://pastebin.com/eU49VCFD


 I need help to upgrade my os
 I have Lubuntu 20.04.2 LTS
 when I do,
 $ do-release-upgrade
 it says no LTS available
 how can solve this?
[03:21] <guiverc> @ImeshChamara,  Lubuntu 20.04.4 is the latest LTS release of Lubuntu.  Your mention of 20.04.2 implies you've not applied all upgrades (ie. need to update your software lists with `sudo apt update` then apply upgrades with `sudo apt full-upgrade`) but you're using the latest current LTS - 2020-April release.
[03:22] <guiverc> Lubuntu 22.04 LTS is due out later in the month; details on the Lubuntu phabricator instance tell you how to upgrade pre-release (for QA-purposes), but it's not yet available.  Lubuntu 20.04 LTS users won't be offered an upgrade until AFTER the release of Lubuntu 20.04.1 which is still 3+ months away
[03:22] <guiverc> FYI: Lubuntu 21.10 (2021-October release) after offered upgrade AFTER the release of 22.04
[03:23] <guiverc> sorry missed a few words.  Lubuntu 21.10 users are offered an upgrade to 22.04 AFTER the release of 22.04; LTS users it's assumed want stability thus wait till 22.04.1
[04:09] <oerheks> upgrade offered after 22.04.1 indeed
[11:42] <phalor> when i run (ufw allow in on ens3 proto tcp from any port any to <IP_ADDRESS> port 25) it says "ERROR: Could not find protocol". does anyone know why?
[13:15] <phalor> does anyone know why my firewall isnt letting this in? https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/o2KS7ms3ByYE.png
[14:58] <phalor> does anyone know why my firewall isnt letting this in? https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/o2KS7ms3ByYE.png
[19:51] <jirido> Does anyone know if it is possible to make GPicView zoom in from the center rather than from the upper left corner?
[19:51] <jirido> I look at NASA pics of galaxys
 I love lamp.
[23:25] <a40> test