[00:03] <emorris> "Due to an unresolved bug in the Linux kernel included in Alpha 6, it should not be used on Intel ethernet hardware handled by the e1000e driver (Intel GigE). Doing so may render your network hardware permanently inoperable. "  <--   How do I know/find out if this is me?
[00:14] <DG19075> Is there a link for the Ibex download?
[00:15] <outbri> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha6
[00:15] <Eroick> is there a way to get lowlatency support in intrepid? linux-lowlatency doesnt seem to exist...
[00:16] <emorris> DG19075: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/
[00:16] <emorris> Eroick: use realtime
[00:17] <Eroick> emorris: what package is that? will it make my system less usable as a general office laptop?
[00:18] <Chousuke> yes
[00:18] <Eroick> so it's a different kernel
[00:18] <Chousuke> generally, if you don't know the exact reasons and drawbacks of using an -rt kernel you shouldn't be using it.
[00:18] <Eroick> i guess i can just choose which to boot with grub.
[00:19] <Eroick> i know the reasons, but im not quite clear on the drawbacks. I figured that you could choose what would execute in realtime and what would not...
[00:20] <emorris> Eroick: i use rt for music production because it means i can have audio in, processed, audio with very low latency. One drawback it that it uses more power
[00:20] <emorris> Eroick: and no, everything you run will be in rt
[00:20] <Eroick> emorris: yep, that's what I want it for.
[00:21] <Eroick> but i can choose which kernel to boot grub. boot the non rt kernel by default and optionally boot the rt one for audio work
[00:21] <Eroick> boot with grub*
[00:21] <emorris> yep, that's what i have
[00:22] <emorris> by default it will automatically use rt though. you can change this in /boot/grub/menu.lst or with startup-manager if you like something graphical
[00:23] <Eroick> emorris: so is there a package for the rt kernel in interpid, or do i have to compile my own kernel?
[00:23] <emorris> Eroick: there should be a package, there has been throughout gutsy/hardy
[00:23] <emorris> startupmanager**
[00:24] <emorris> what are you using? JACK?
[00:25] <emorris> Eroick: ^^
[00:25] <Eroick> yeah
[00:25] <Eroick> jack, SC, Pure Data and Rosegarden mostly
[00:26] <Eroick> but jack is the driver obiously
[00:26] <emorris> ok, remember to put JACK into realtime mode, otherwise you won't notice any difference
[00:26] <emorris> Eroick:
[00:27] <Eroick> yep, in the settings. i'll also probably have to change some permissions to allow memlock, or start jack without memlock
[00:27] <Eroick> but i still cant find that package, it was always called linux-realtime
[00:27] <Eroick> linux-lowlatency**
[00:29] <emorris> Eroick: linux-rt ??
[00:31] <emorris> Eroick: http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/linux-rt
[00:31] <Eroick> hmm, it complains about broken packages
[00:31] <Eroick> 'linux-restricted-modules-rt' is required but not going to be installed
[00:51] <yavapai> ext3 usb hard drive dont work w/ 2.6.26-4
[00:52] <yavapai> i have to keep booting into 2.6.25 till this is fixed
[00:53] <yavapai> any ideas?
[01:02] <emorris> yavapai: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/264789
[01:14] <yavapai> i saw that thanks emorris but i dont see progress
[01:15] <yavapai> just wondering if any of you are effected by this bug  and have a workaround
[01:31] <alteregoa> hi
[01:31] <alteregoa> a intrepid is a fascinating animal
[01:36] <yavapai> you mean ibex?
[01:37] <emorris> lol
[01:39] <alteregoa> yeah, maybe
[01:39] <alteregoa> i have no clue
[01:40] <emorris> alteregoa: www.dictionary.com
[01:40] <alteregoa> cool
[01:41] <alteregoa> i installed ubuntu on a 600mhz pIII and it works good
[01:48] <yavapai> http://awaitinginspiration.com/tandy-102-webserver/
[01:48] <yavapai> this got me hard as i have a 102
[01:58] <fiyawerx> im kinda surprised they used ubuntu for that
[01:59]  * fiyawerx facepalms
[01:59]  * fiyawerx hates not checking dates before reading the articles
[02:06]  * DanaG was going to wonder... what architecture?
[02:06] <DanaG> =þ
[02:12] <yavapai> it was a joke
[02:21] <tim__> Guys I can't install nvida 96 driver ???!
[02:21] <tim__> what is the problem do u know?
[02:22] <tim__> hello
[02:22] <tim__> any one hereR?
[02:22] <tim__> boys and girls ?
[02:44] <DanaG> tim_: impatient much?  =þ
[02:44] <DanaG> Not here anymore, is why I ask that.
[02:44] <DanaG> =þ
[02:45] <DanaG> Nvidia 96 is broken.... damnvidia.
[02:57] <mohbana> hi
[02:57] <mohbana> when is the next release due?
[03:01] <BrionS> Hello.  Anyone know how I can get the "old" vlc 0.8.6 back on my Intrepid install?
[03:01] <BrionS> I did an update the other day and it seems to have replaced vlc with 0.9.3 which has several improvements but took away my functioning streaming/transcoding wizard :(
[03:02] <BrionS> it looks like the only version in the APT repo is 0.9.3, so I was wondering if anyone knew where I could point APT to to get 0.8.6 back
[03:02] <BrionS> thanks
[03:05] <Lofde_> I am so into intrepid.. my setup is so nice.. i <3 linux =)
[03:08] <Lofde_> is the update push not working ? I didnt have any updates available and then i did an "apt-get update"  and now i have 42 updates.. i thought it would do that automatically to tell me i had updates?
[03:08] <mohbana> when is the next release due?
[03:08] <Lofde_> mohbana 1 sec
[03:08] <Lofde_> mohbana,  googled intrepid release schedule got this - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[03:09] <Lofde_> looks like oct 2nd set for beta
[03:09] <BrionS> Lofde_, I think it runs apt-get update in the background periodically. You'd be notified of updates after that.
[03:09] <Miksago> g'day, um, Is there a list of hardware drivers that are now supported or have changed in Intrepid?
[03:09] <Lofde_> BrionS,  yea, thats weird, i wonder how periodically because i have been away from the system for about 10 hours, and i would have thought it would have checked during that
[03:09]  * DanaG wishes the HP MDPS (Mobile Data Protection System -- accelerometer) driver weren't just floating around the LKML, and were actually in-tree.
[03:10] <eca> i removed gdm, when i boot i have to ctrl alt f6, then login, then startx. how can i set it up so that it goes straight to command line login?
[03:10] <Lofde_> DanaG,  your talking about HDD shut down when you drop your pc?
[03:11] <Lofde_> eca cant you add gdm to start up
[03:11] <BrionS> Miksago, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha6 check through there first, then I'd look at the kernel release for newly supported hardware
[03:11] <Lofde_> *tries to remember what file you add*
[03:11] <DanaG> Yup, but it can do more than that....
[03:11] <DanaG> you can use it as an accelerometer.
[03:11] <DanaG> er
[03:11] <DanaG> joystick.
[03:11] <Miksago> BrionS: okay; I'm actually trying to find info about my network controller
[03:12] <DanaG> handy thing: lspci -nn
[03:12] <DanaG> n for name and number.
[03:12] <DanaG> er, nn gives both.
[03:12] <BrionS> Miksago, here's another good place to check: http://linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html
[03:12] <Miksago> BrionS: the ubuntu wiki currently says that it's Detected, but doesn't work
[03:13] <eca> i dont need/want gdm or xdm, i just wanna login then start fluxbox with a script
[03:14] <Lofde_> eca  what window manager are you going to use to start to do that login
[03:14] <eca> none
[03:14] <Miksago> I actually had to manually patch the driver for it; but sometimes it doesn't load the driver on start up...
[03:14] <Miksago> (and yes, i've tried asking in #ubuntu.. but no luck)
[03:14] <eca> kinda like it, just dont like switching to tty6 or whatever it is
[03:15] <Lofde_> eca ok, so you want to alt-f6, use your username and password, and bamb your script in your home directory launches that fluxbox
[03:15] <eca> ya, except i want to boot straight to command line
[03:16] <Lofde_> whats coming up right now?
[03:16] <eca> some messages
[03:16] <eca> like you get when you do a ctrl alt 8
[03:17] <Lofde_> eca /etc/init.d/ and to remove the graphical apps. The init.d directory is basically a collection of scripts which are run when the computer boots up. If you remove the GUI startup scripts, you should be able to boot straight to a command line.
[03:18] <BrionS> eca, use 'sudo update-rc.d gdm remove' to remove gdm from your startup scripts
[03:18] <BrionS> if the scripts are still there, you can pass the -f option to force removal of the symbolic links so it won't start up
[03:18] <eca> k ty, ill try and brb
[03:27] <Lofde_> how'd it  go eca
[03:27] <eca> no luck, still shows messages
[03:27] <BrionS> you mean when it's booting up?
[03:27] <Lofde_> DanaG,  a Joy Stick? Thats interesting.. its funny i was in the air force and the F-16 i was taught electronics of... and it used accelerometer's, to keep up with different aspects of the plane, now its crazy how many things use them... the iphone.. and theres a new nokia camera that works like the iphone you can flick through the pics and you can turn it and the photos rotate on screen
[03:28] <BrionS> eca, does X start?
[03:28] <eca> after it boots, it seems like it goes straight to ctrl alt f8 screen
[03:28] <Lofde_> when i hit ctrl-alt-f8 it pops me back over to f7 heh
[03:28] <eca> shows that stuff, i then ctrl alt f6 to get to command line login screen
[03:28] <Lofde_> eca
[03:29] <Lofde_> can you write down or try to tell us what that stuff says
[03:29] <eca> x starts when i tell it to
[03:29] <Lofde_> did you try cleaning up /etc/init.d ?
[03:29] <BrionS> eca, so your start up to a blank screen?
[03:29] <eca> it shows messages about network activation
[03:30] <eca> and stays there after boot
[03:30] <BrionS> you said you uninstalled gdm, right?
[03:30] <Lofde_> eca sudo mv /etc/rc5.d/S01gdm /etc/rc5.d/K01gdm
[03:30] <Lofde_>
[03:30] <eca> yes
[03:30] <BrionS> as in 'sudo apt-get remove gdm'?
[03:30] <redvamp128> Would anyone have time to help me get sound?
[03:30] <Lofde_> ops ignore that
[03:31] <redvamp128> I can't even play video's unless I use Dragon Player--- Totem errors out.
[03:31] <BrionS> redvamp128, does everything look right except you have no sound?
[03:31] <BrionS> Totem is crap IMNSHO
[03:31] <redvamp128> IN dragon yes but not in totem-- gives me stream error
[03:31] <redvamp128> but is default video player
[03:31] <BrionS> yes, unfortunately
[03:31] <Lofde_> eca why not just change the runlevel ubuntu tries to boot into
[03:31] <redvamp128> http://pastebin.ca/1214273
[03:31] <redvamp128> That is dmesg
[03:32] <Lofde_> instead of trying to go into graphical, change the runlevel to runlevel that is txt only
[03:32] <eca> ya, i removed gdm awhile ago, then used xdm for awhile then i got rid of that. no xdm or gdm in any rc.* files
[03:32] <eca> lofde yes, how so
[03:32] <redvamp128> Basically what happened is on other computer--power button stuck-- took out hard drive and put in this one.
[03:32] <Lofde_> i remember reading somewhere tho that ubuntu uses like runlevel2 ... im used to other linux systems that go to runlevel 3, running then switch to 5 for graphical
[03:33] <redvamp128> The computer is IBM Netvista 6578
[03:33] <BrionS> redvamp128, can you install VLC and get the sound to work there?  Are you attached to Totem?
[03:33] <BrionS> or mplayer for that matter
[03:33] <redvamp128> I asked in the Ubuntu room and -- 1 hour no response back-- SCguy tried to help
[03:34] <redvamp128> BironS I can't even hear the drums at startup
[03:34] <BrionS> redvamp128, do you have more than one sound card?
[03:34] <redvamp128> Just the onboard
[03:34] <BrionS> what kind of onboard card is it? Intel?
[03:34] <BrionS> do you know the chipset?
[03:36] <Lofde_> redvamp128,  what kind of soundcard
[03:36] <Lofde_> if you need to redvamp128  install hardinfo ,  " apt-get install hardinfo" it will give u a lot of info
[03:36] <Lofde_> about your card
[03:36] <BrionS> This suggests it may be a Realtek chip http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-11184-0.html?forumID=48&threadID=199897&messageID=2082999
[03:36] <redvamp128> I already have that installed
[03:36] <redvamp128> how do I pastebin that
[03:37] <keenscreen> im having trouble with intrepid;  after installing all updates;  it cant see the wired ethernet, only wireless.... why?
[03:37] <BrionS> ignore my last link
[03:37] <keenscreen> in addition, i can't activate the nvidia latest 177 hardware drivers;;  how do i fix?
[03:38] <redvamp128> So I need to install the foxcon drivers?
[03:38] <Eroick> join #supercollider
[03:39] <redvamp128> How would I Pastebin the Hwinfo
[03:39] <BrionS> redvamp128, if you can run 'lscpi' and pastebin the output to http://paste.ubuntu.com that would help
[03:39] <BrionS> highlight the output with your mouse, then middle-click in the pastebin page text area
[03:39] <bronzewalla> i've been thinking about updating to Intrepid and am curious about how stable everything is, is it safe to completely upgrade my system to intepid without any major problems?
[03:39] <redvamp128> The hwinfo cuts it off at 21
[03:40] <BrionS> if that doesn't work try the ol' copy/paste
[03:40] <redvamp128> It outputs too much --
[03:40] <redvamp128> starts at line 21
[03:41] <BrionS> if you're in a terminal window, just click and drag from the bottom up
[03:41] <BrionS> it'll scroll
[03:41] <redvamp128> I do have dmesg file here http://pastebin.ca/1214273
[03:41] <redvamp128> I did but it still stops at line 21
[03:41] <BrionS> you can paste what you have
[03:42] <redvamp128> http://pastebin.ca/1214309
[03:42] <bronzewalla> how do i tell if i'm using the intel e1000e driver?
[03:43] <BrionS> bronzewalla, 'sudo lsmod | grep e1000e'
[03:43] <BrionS> assuming that's the driver's module name as well
[03:44] <bronzewalla> and if it returns nothing i'm not using it, correct?
[03:44] <BrionS> correct
[03:44] <bronzewalla> thank you sir
[03:47] <BrionS> redvamp128, the other way to do it is capture the entire output into a file, then edit the file to copy/paste (some pastebins allow files to be uploaded)
[03:47] <BrionS> 'sudo lspci > lspci.out'
[03:47] <BrionS> also try 'lspci -m'
[03:47] <BrionS> for a one-line output of each device
[03:48] <redvamp128> I got the the ISPCI
[03:48] <redvamp128> now what to do with it
[03:49] <BrionS> upload it to your pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/upload.php
[03:49] <redvamp128> It didn't post a file or a link
[03:50] <BrionS> if you ran the command I gave you, you should see a file in the current directory called lspci.out
[03:50] <BrionS> that contains the output
[03:50] <BrionS> then you browse to the file location on that upload page, and click upload - it should give you a resulting pastebin number
[03:51] <BrionS> it may take a moment to convert your text file
[03:51] <BrionS> if not, open your favorite editor and highlight/paste as you did before
[03:52] <redvamp128> http://pastebin.ca/1214319
[03:54] <slestak> i am testing alpha 6 on a dual boot system and see a problem post-insatll
[03:54] <redvamp128> that is the file
[03:55] <slestak> i have a dual-boot inspiron with gutsy on sda3 and hardy on sda2.  The alpha6 install overlaid hardy on sda2 properly
[03:55] <BrionS> redvamp128, I don't see an audio device
[03:55] <redvamp128> I know but it is there and enabled in bios
[03:55] <slestak> but the nvidia driver on my gutsy install will not load on reboot.  had to edit xorg.conf and use the nv driver.
[03:56] <BrionS> ok, it's an AC97 chip
[03:56] <slestak> not sure if i understand how I screwed up nvidia kernel module.  from having a shared /boot maybe?
[03:56] <BrionS> http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-50715.html
[03:57] <redvamp128> THat is the system
[03:57] <arooni-mobile> after upgrading to latest intrepid using nvidia geforce 8600gts, i have: EE Nvidia(0) Failed to load the nvidia kernel module;
[03:57] <arooni-mobile> how do i fix?
[03:57] <BrionS> slestak, if the kernels are different versions, your nvidia driver is only compiled for one of them most likely and won't work in the other
[03:58] <redvamp128> http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=24&PFid=24&Level=4&Conn=3&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false
[03:58] <redvamp128> I found those drivers
[03:58] <slestak> BrionS: this is the same way used to run hardy and gutsy in a dual boot config.  i thought their kernel modules would be kept separate in /usr/linux/*
[03:58] <slestak> or /usr/lib or sth like that
[03:58] <redvamp128> How do I get it to work
[03:59] <slestak> i wouldnt thing os on sda2 would interfere with os on sda3
[04:01] <BrionS> sorry about that, computer locked up - very weird
[04:01] <redvamp128> I think I got that driver to start installing..
[04:01] <redvamp128> brb if I get lost
[04:01] <redvamp128> HELP
[04:02] <redvamp128> http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=24&PFid=24&Level=4&Conn=3&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false
[04:02] <BrionS> what's up?
[04:02] <redvamp128> All the install did was just extract the files
[04:02] <BrionS> I don't think these drivers are what you want
[04:02] <BrionS> I'm pretty sure those are for windows
[04:03] <redvamp128> look at the bottom
[04:03] <BrionS> Linux driver (driver has built-in the kernel)
[04:03] <redvamp128> nix (Linux) 		 			 		 			 				 					DescriptionVersionUpdate
[04:03] <redvamp128> TimeFile
[04:03] <redvamp128> SizeDownload 				 					Site
[04:03] <redvamp128> 1Site
[04:03] <redvamp128> 2Site
[04:03] <redvamp128> 3 				 					Linux driver (2.4 or 2.6)5.072008/8/144838kGOGOGO
[04:05] <Lofde_> I cant believe "bailout" mess... 777 point drop in the dow.. hrmm
[04:06] <BrionS> redvamp128, you don't want that one
[04:06] <darthanubis> OT
[04:06] <redvamp128> ok
[04:06] <BrionS> the Intrepid alsa drivers are newer
[04:06] <redvamp128> I have 8.04
[04:06] <redvamp128> but the regular room did not want to help
[04:07] <redvamp128> how can I get the new drivers?
[04:07] <BrionS> do you have 32-bit or 64-bit machine (just curious)?
[04:07] <redvamp128> 32 bit
[04:08] <BrionS> ok, well AC97 is a pretty old and common driver
[04:08] <redvamp128> How do I get it to run and install
[04:08] <BrionS> so even though Hardy only has version 1.0.15 of alsa you should be good
[04:08] <BrionS> it's probably already installed
[04:09] <redvamp128> it is installed but not working
[04:09] <BrionS>  sudo dpkg-query --list alsa-base
[04:09] <BrionS> that will show you the installation version
[04:09] <slestak> dies hardy (and intrepid) still install alsa now that they are using pulseaudio?
[04:10] <redvamp128> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[04:10] <redvamp128> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-f/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/t-aWait/T-pend
[04:10] <redvamp128> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[04:10] <redvamp128> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[04:10] <redvamp128> +++-[04:10] <redvamp128> ii  alsa-base      1.0.16-0ubuntu ALSA driver configuration files
[04:10] <BrionS> dunno - some people have reported problems with pulseaudio
[04:10] <BrionS> I've used alsa since it came out and haven't had a problem with it
[04:10] <BrionS> I don't know if intrepid installs alsa, but hardy did
[04:10] <BrionS> and I upgraded from hardy to intrepid
[04:11] <slestak> im really stumped by this nvidia kernal module problem
[04:11] <redvamp128> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-f/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/t-aWait/T-pend
[04:11] <redvamp128> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[04:11] <redvamp128> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[04:11] <redvamp128> +++-[04:11] <redvamp128> ii  alsa-base      1.0.16-0ubuntu ALSA driver configuration files
[04:11] <slestak> i dont see how intrepid should've touched my gutsy install
[04:12] <BrionS> redvamp128, right - so it's installed and with a fairly recent version
[04:12] <BrionS> redvamp128, does 'sudo lsmod | grep ac97' produce anything?
[04:12] <BrionS> slestak, did you do a manual install or one of the wizards?
[04:13] <BrionS> slestak, I don't know what you mean by "The alpha6 install overlaid hardy on sda2 properly"
[04:13] <redvamp128> it just enters no errors
[04:13] <BrionS> did you install Intrepid over Hardy on sda?
[04:13] <BrionS> sda2*
[04:13] <BrionS> redvamp128, it didn't return anything?
[04:13] <redvamp128> nope the sudo lsmod | grep ac97
[04:14] <redvamp128> nothing
[04:14] <slestak> i installed intrepid with livecd on a dualboot machine, choosing to format and install intrepid onto sda2, erasing my hardy install.  my gutsy install is still my most stable, so i kept it
[04:14] <slestak> redvamp128: does dmesg output mention anything?
[04:15] <redvamp128> http://pastebin.ca/1214273
[04:15] <slestak> BrionS: but after installing II, Intrepid woorks good, but the gutsy partition no longer boots into X
[04:16] <BrionS> slestak, was sda2 acting as your boot loader?
[04:16] <BrionS> not that that should matter
[04:17] <BrionS> meaning you probably wouldn't be able to boot into Gusty at all if you blew away the boot loader
[04:17] <slestak> no, grub survived, written to MBR
[04:17] <slestak> both os's boot, i just lost X on the one that I preserved
[04:18] <slestak> i mean the gutsy insatll
[04:18] <BrionS> yeah, that's very strange
[04:18] <BrionS> did you try re-installing Xorg on that partition?
[04:18] <slestak> technically, i have X, i changed to using the nv driver
[04:19] <slestak> i think i should reinstall the nvidia driver before reinstalling all of xorg
[04:19] <BrionS> redvamp128, try 'sudo modprobe snd_ac97'
[04:20] <BrionS> slestak, I thought you had tried that already
[04:20] <BrionS> yes, do that first
[04:20] <slestak> no, i just got x back, and came here to compare notes
[04:20] <redvamp128> FATAL: Module snd_ac97 not found.
[04:21] <slestak> im reinstalling driver using restricted drivers manager.  it is reinstalling nvidia-glx
[04:21] <slestak> got to restart.  brb
[04:22] <crimsun> redvamp128: err, please tell me you didn't recompile the ALSA driver.
[04:22] <crimsun> redvamp128: in any case, are you using 32-bit or 64-bit Ubuntu?
[04:22] <crimsun> redvamp128: I'm guessing 32-bit, so you need to download and install http://www.themuso.id.au/ubuntu/alsa-plugins/libasound2-plugins_1.0.17-0ubuntu4~test1_i386.deb
[04:23] <pibe86> hello, i have install lastest beta, my ubuntu 64 bits have detected my wifi card, but it does not work
[04:23] <pibe86> my wi fi card is a BCM4312
[04:23] <pibe86> bradcom
[04:23] <pibe86> Broadcom*
[04:23] <crimsun> redvamp128: after you do that, please log out of GNOME, log into a tty/cli (try ctrl+alt+F1), erase ~/.pulse, and reboot
[04:24] <crimsun> redvamp128: and, I'm assuming you're running intrepid and not hardy as your alsa-base output would lead me to believe.
[04:24] <crimsun> redvamp128: (because those instructions are for intrepid, not hardy)
[04:24] <BrionS> crimsun, he's running Hardy
[04:24] <BrionS> or so he claims
[04:24] <redvamp128> it is installing now
[04:25] <BrionS> what's installing?
[04:25] <crimsun> redvamp128: what's the output from: lsb_release -r
[04:25] <redvamp128> ouch
[04:25] <BrionS> oh, n/m the .deb
[04:25] <redvamp128> that libsound2-plugins says Dependency is not stisfiable: libasound2
[04:26] <crimsun> redvamp128: if you're running hardy, you're in the wrong channel to be asking for assistance ;)
[04:26] <redvamp128> I tried waited 1 hour between asking for help
[04:26] <redvamp128> waited 2 hours and no response back
[04:27] <slestak> BrionS: nope, still will not load nvidia driver.
[04:27] <crimsun> redvamp128: ok, so please decide whether you want to continue troubleshooting in #ubuntu, or whether you'd like to try an 8.10 alpha 6 desktop (live) cd to test sound
[04:28] <BrionS> slestak, do you get a specific error message?
[04:28] <DanaG> Watch out for the Intel ethernet issue, though.
[04:28] <redvamp128> sure what is the link but not sure if cd burning works or not
[04:28] <slestak> lemme check Xord.log.1
[04:28] <redvamp128> I have a basic-- old  10/100 Kne
[04:28] <redvamp128> kingston knee 10/100
[04:29] <BrionS> what about the on-board Intel PRO/100 VE Ethernet?
[04:29] <crimsun> redvamp128: DanaG pointed out a good warning, so I'll point you to the daily-live images: mhttp://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[04:29] <crimsun> http, not mhttp
[04:30] <slestak> what pastebin do we use here?
[04:30] <slestak> not in topic
[04:30] <BrionS> slestak, whatever you want but paste.ubuntu.com and pastebin.ca are popular
[04:30] <redvamp128> I opted not to install the Dvd Burner
[04:31] <redvamp128> let me try a few other channels--
[04:31] <BrionS> redvamp128, do you have a CD-R?
[04:31] <BrionS> it's not a DVD
[04:31] <redvamp128> yes cd-r
[04:31] <BrionS> then you can burn the live cd image
[04:31] <redvamp128> but last time tried to burn got the-- Free Burn Not needed and errored out
[04:31] <slestak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/52321/
[04:32] <redvamp128> That was another Issue I was hoping for help from-- Got that message both with the cdr and Dvd Burner-
[04:33] <BrionS> slestak, did you successfully run the NVidia install script or successfully install the nvidia-glx-177 package such that under Hardware Devices it shows you using the proprietary drivers?
[04:33] <redvamp128> but can boot with puppy linux and it burns -- but cmd line only and at 2x
[04:33] <BrionS> redvamp128, what program did you use?
[04:34] <redvamp128> I tried --  cd/dvd one built into ubuntu
[04:34] <slestak> i am working with my gutsy insatll, which broke after intrepid livecd install.  i used the restricted driver manager to install the nvidia driver
[04:34] <slestak> not using envy or anything liek that
[04:34] <slestak> pretty vanilla install
[04:34] <mneptok> SLESTAK! HOLLY! STAY IN THE CAVE!
[04:34]  * mneptok flashes back
[04:35] <slestak> lol
[04:35] <BrionS> slestak, and the restricted driver manager says you're using the nvidia driver (green check or whatever)?
[04:35] <mneptok> (FYI, "Sigmund And The Sea Monsters" was a better show) ;)
[04:35] <redvamp128> I also installed and tried Brasso
[04:36] <redvamp128> Brassero
[04:36] <BrionS> redvamp128, I've had the best luck with K3b but YMMV
[04:36] <redvamp128> Tried that one too got the Free burn error as well
[04:36] <slestak> no, it says its not enabled.  when i choose to enable it, it wants to uninstall nvidia-glx and install nvidia-glx-new.  when that completes and i reboot, x will not start again, i edit xorg.conf, to choose nv driver.  lather, rinse, repeat.
[04:36] <BrionS> well, one problem at a time I suppose
[04:36] <redvamp128> only one that has worked is one in puppy linux--- and it is PBURNIMG=SPEED
[04:37] <BrionS> slestak, what is your video card?
[04:37] <redvamp128> then it asks you for the blank cd- but you have to be in the directory then it asks you for the image name
[04:37] <mneptok> redvamp128: any firmware updates for the drive in question?
[04:38] <slestak> BrionS: geforce go7300  (dell inspiron laptop).  this driver was working fine before Intrepid install on other partitoin
[04:38] <BrionS> redvamp128, I don't know what to say about your sound - might try the alsa channel or if there is one, the pulseaudio channel - they might be of more help
[04:38] <redvamp128> #alsa ?
[04:39] <mneptok> redvamp128: what is the sound problem?
[04:39] <BrionS> slestak, your install on another partition shouldn't have affected anything
[04:39] <redvamp128> mneptok ok to PM?
[04:39] <crimsun> redvamp128: regarding your sound, run the alsa-info.sh script on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems, and tell the URL
[04:39] <mneptok> redvamp128: sure
[04:39] <slestak> BrionS: agreed, but its might coincidental
[04:40] <BrionS> had you rebooted in Gutsy before your jump to Intrepid?
[04:40] <BrionS> i.e. did you have installed updates that may not have been applied after a reboot and when you booted back in you saw the effects of the update(s)
[04:40] <BrionS> the last update broke my X in Intrepid
[04:41] <DanaG> crimsun: I've been having PulseAudio randomly decide to quit on me, for some reason.
[04:41] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f3ab13b93
[04:41] <slestak> i was using gutsy all evening before installing inrtreipd.  after installing intrepid, I dl 290mb of updates and appied them (onre was a kernel upgrade) so i rebooted into intrepid.
[04:41] <BrionS> kernel 2.6.27-3-generic works, but 2.6.27-4 breaks
[04:41] <DanaG> 0.9.12.
[04:41] <slestak> i then rebooted into gutsy to check that it was ok
[04:41] <crimsun> DanaG: ok, but most of my debugging goes into beta freeze, so our 0.9.10
[04:41] <BrionS> slestak, what kernel version?
[04:42] <DanaG> I: core.c: We are idle, quitting...
[04:42] <DanaG> I: main.c: Daemon shutdown initiated.
[04:42] <DanaG> I'd agree with going 0.9.10.... the 0.9.12......... tends to quit randomly.
[04:42] <DanaG> Oddly enough, disabling the Avahi feature fixed the random quitting.
[04:42] <slestak> wait, in ubuntu /boot is mounted under /, so i do not have a shared /boot with a dual boot system
[04:42] <DanaG> ... and disabling glitch-free fixed my dropouts.
[04:43] <slestak> this thing should not have affected gutsy
[04:43] <BrionS> slestak, unless you manually changed it so /boot is separate from / then yes, they're not shared
[04:43] <slestak> i have to make a mount point to see my intrepid partition, brb
[04:44] <slestak> i was thinking of old gentoo installs where e=verything was separate
[04:44] <DanaG> The only wonderful new feature in 0.9.12 for me, then, is the ability to disable LFE remixing.
[04:44] <DanaG> Any way to backport just that one feature?
[04:44] <DanaG> Oh yeah, 0.9.12 also fixes the cpu-devouring gstreamer pause.
[04:44] <slestak> BrionS: 2.6.27-4
[04:45] <BrionS> slestak, yeah, that's the kernel version that breaks X for me
[04:45] <BrionS> I got a bunch of updates yesterday or today including kernel 2.6.27-4 and when I rebooted - nothing but a black screen
[04:45] <slestak> but that shouldnt have affected sda3.  that is the stumper
[04:46] <slestak> i have x in intrepid
[04:46] <BrionS> running 2.6.27-3 works
[04:46] <BrionS> don't know
[04:46] <BrionS> I have an NVidia card as well running the nvidia-glx-177
[04:46] <BrionS> or in Hardy - nvidia-glx-new
[04:46] <slestak> wonder if the same patch was sent down to gutsy
[04:46] <slestak> as a backport
[04:47] <slestak> let me see which version of nvidia driver i have on the broken gutsy
[04:47] <BrionS> possibly, though I would be surprised
[04:48] <BrionS> since 2.6.27 is being evaluated for Intrepid - I doubt they'd push it back to Hardy
[04:48] <slestak> i have 100 on gutsy
[04:48] <slestak> think i will put it up for tonight, look at it tomorrow
[04:48] <slestak> thanks for the help
[04:48] <BrionS> np, gl
[05:33] <tanath> how the hell do i keep a hard drive from mounting????
[05:33] <tanath> >.<
[05:33] <tanath> i'm trying to change the partitions, but the drive keeps getting mounted, no matter how many times i unmount it >.<
[05:45] <tanath> >.<
[05:57] <ligemeget> Hi, I've had a go at compiling my own kernel, but it failed to install, and now I cannot remove it. Whether I try to install it or remove it I always get this
[05:57] <ligemeget> Examining /etc/kernel/postinst.d.
[05:57] <ligemeget>  run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms
[05:57] <ligemeget>  run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/nvidia-common
[05:57] <ligemeget>  run-parts: /etc/kernel/postinst.d/nvidia-common exited with return code 20
[05:57] <ligemeget>  Failed to process /etc/kernel/postinst.d at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.27-rc7-custom.postinst line 1181.
[05:57] <ligemeget>  dpkg: fejl under behandling af linux-image-2.6.27-rc7-custom (--configure):
[05:57] <ligemeget>   underproces post-installation script returnerede afslutningsstatus 2
[05:57] <ligemeget>  Der opstod fejl under behandlingen:
[05:57] <ligemeget>   linux-image-2.6.27-rc7-custom
[05:57] <ligemeget> dpkg --configure -a gives the same error
[05:57] <ligemeget> Can someone please help..?
[06:24] <mike-solidus> hey, does intrepid support intel ICH10 sata controller cards by default?
[06:26] <sysdoc> What problem are you running into now and what kernel are you running?
[06:27] <mike-solidus> sysdoc: i'm runing the latest stock kernel for 8.04, it wont recognize the partitions on my sata hard drive unless it's in AHCI mode, but when its in AHCI mode windows wont boot
[06:30] <sysdoc> Yea I'm seeing others that have had trouble with that
[06:31] <mike-solidus> sysdoc: yeah, i've been doing some research, and aparently intel_ata.ko has recently been patched to include support for it, but the wierd thing is that i don't see that module even loaded on my system by default when i use AHCI mode
[06:34] <sysdoc> Ya know what I did before upgrading to Intrepid, I loaded the kernel that Intrepid runs and ran it in Hardy. Once I was satisfied that it solved the problem that I was having, then I upgraded the distro
[06:35] <mike-solidus> sysdoc: how did you do that? I'm not worried about loosing any data on the partition ubuntu's installed on, its pretty much a clean install, been trying to get it workable before i put things on it
[06:36] <DanaG> mike-solidus: it's possible to switch Windows to AHCI mode after the fact... it's just tricky.
[06:36] <DanaG> You have to force upgrade the IDE controller to the new driver, and then shut down and change the BIOS setting.
[06:36] <DanaG> by "after the fact", I mean once already installed.
[06:37] <mike-solidus> DanaG: yeah, thats the problem i'm having, I can do that as a temporary solution, is there any downside to using ahci istead of sata besides a longer startup? I haven't heard anything about it, i know it has a more advanced instruction set
[06:39] <DanaG> I can't think of any downsides, actually.
[06:39] <DanaG> Longer startup?  That's weird.
[06:39] <DanaG> Perhaps once you've switched it to that mode, try reinstalling the driver once more to be sure it's installed properly.
[06:40] <DanaG> ahci does add some things like hot-swapping (on supported systems), NCQ, and link power saving.
[06:40] <DanaG> er, adaptive link power management, I think it's called.
[06:40] <DanaG> But that would make it easier to work with in Linux.
[06:40] <mike-solidus> DanaG: its a longer startup because my bios takes a while to do an initialization of it for some reason, like a software start up
[06:41] <DanaG> Aah.
[06:41] <DanaG> Hmm, so it's not a Windows issue... that's a weird BIOS, then.
[06:41] <mike-solidus> cool, maybe i'll try that, do you know where a guide is that will tell me how to change vista post-install
[06:42] <mike-solidus> new Gigabit motherboard
[06:42] <DanaG> http://www.itwriting.com/blog/288-enabling-ahci-on-vista.html
[06:47] <mike-solidus> DanaG: hmm, i hope that works, gonna try a reboot
[06:59] <mike-solidus> thanks! that worked with my vista install
[07:00] <DanaG> Cool.
[07:00] <mike-solidus> hopefully the kerenel for intrepid will fix it though
[07:30] <PolitikerNEU> Hello everyone, I got a problem/maybe bug: As I waked up from s2disk, I had no sound unless I (accidentially) switched to a terminal - can anybody confirm this and does anybody know how to get sound instantly back?
[07:41] <contrast> Greets, everyone...
[07:42] <contrast> Anyone know if there's a fix for the duplicate entries in the applications menu under Kubuntu?
[07:53] <Cheery> What's with the newhuman -theme?
[07:54] <Cheery> it looks nice by parts though
[07:55] <Cheery> also I've seen somebody has improved icons a lot
[07:56] <Cheery> now the dark background actually works with those default icons
[07:56] <Cheery> great job from UI people
[08:04] <Cheery> also, yet asking once: would you happen to know any 3840x1200 background images?
[08:15] <Cheery> I guess you have some better way to give feedback, but I think compiz looks and feels bad
[08:16] <Cheery> and some opengl apps do not seem to like it much
[08:18] <Cheery> but even if those would work on it, there's something unpleasing in ti
[08:20] <Cheery> perhaps the effects are in wrong places and strengths
[08:20] <Cheery> desktop becomes a bit less responsive, which is perhaps biggest reason why I think I cease to use compiz in future
[08:22] <Cheery> what I'd want from opengl accelerated wm would be smoothness, but not springy things with mouse
[08:22] <Cheery> smoothness like, when you press page down, it'd fast-glide
[08:35] <virtuelv> Does anyone know if there is a bug filed on the battery indicator not updating?
[08:55] <fargiolas> does anybody know what is that blue ball that some pidgin contacts (msn?) have next to the nick?
[09:04] <Peddy> what are the biggest bugs/annoyances in ibex ATM please? (generally speaking)
[09:05] <fargiolas> virtuelv: found any? I have that bug too..
[09:06] <Cheery> Peddy: biggest annoyance I've seen this far has been that some random application has crashed
[09:06] <Cheery> but not for a moment
[09:06] <Peddy> any broadcom wireless troubles?
[09:06] <Cheery> I don't own one
[09:07] <Peddy> how about bluetooth?
[09:07] <Cheery> neither that
[09:08] <Cheery> I have brand new computer though, switched back from debian
[09:08] <Cheery> while in computer upgrade
[09:09] <Peddy> Okay..
[09:09] <Cheery> also, P5Q is quite common board I
[09:09] <Cheery> *I think
[09:10] <Cheery> chose parts just to satisfy linux kernel and OS
[09:11] <virtuelv> fargiolas: no, not yet
[09:11] <virtuelv> I could file it, though
[09:11] <Cheery> which may explain why I've had not bigger troubles
[09:12] <virtuelv> fargiolas: nm, I actually found a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/274681
[09:16] <fargiolas> virtuelv: thanks.. seems the same bug
[09:26] <PolitikerNEU> Peddy: I got a broudcom wireless card (not for a laptop, but for a stand-alone PC) - I had no problems
[09:27] <Peddy> PolitikerNEU: same here, I got a PC. Glad to hear it worked. Are you using b4m or ndiswrapper?
[09:27] <Peddy> b43*
[09:27] <PolitikerNEU> How do I find out?
[09:27] <PolitikerNEU> Oh, b43
[09:28] <Peddy> okay. I'm using ndiswrapper for better quality, but it should still work :/
[09:28] <Peddy> PolitikerNEU: did you have any other trouble with upgrading?
[09:30] <PolitikerNEU> Yeah, whenever I want to open a directory, it wants me to give the admin password and KDE 4.1 doesn't work if I change the panels (But this was the same in 8.04)
[09:30] <Peddy> did you solve the directory thing?
[09:32] <PolitikerNEU> no, resetting the configuration hasn't helped and this problem doesn't exist in fresh installes. I got to say, however, that I haven't used the intended way to upgrade (with update-manager -d or something like that) but instead just replaced every "hardy" with "intrepid" in my /etc/apt/sources.list and done a dist-upgrade
[09:36] <PolitikerNEU> and another problem is that I cannot use just ~ with Alt+F2, but this seems to be the case even in fresh installs
[10:05] <chronographer> hi my wireless stopped wotking. seems the kernel module has 'disappeared' can someone help? its a belkin rt73
[10:35] <chronographer> Hi all. I downloaded rt73-source from the repos, how do I compile and install it?
[10:38] <xxploit> usually make then make install? might be a configure script so ./configure? Should be a README or INSTALL file with info id imagine after unzipping the source
[10:41] <chronographer> ok.
[10:41] <chronographer> but it was an apt-get install job
[10:41] <etienne> hi
[10:41] <etienne> gconf-d is eating 20% of my cpu
[10:41] <BaD_CrC> !info apt-build
[10:42] <chronographer> ok hey its working
[10:42] <etienne> anybody got this problem too ?
[10:46] <chronographer> anyone use rt73 ???
[10:55] <virtuelv> is intrepid claiming that turkish spell checking is available for anyone, even when there is no turkish language packs installed?
[10:59] <etienne> anybody for the gconf-d problem ?
[11:38] <etienne> anybody for the gconf-d problem ?
[11:38] <etienne> (i post between splits :) )
[11:56] <elmargol> IF i start jockey-kde i get "dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1" can someone test this please?
[12:11] <rohan> hm.. the /proc mount i still faulty anyone?
[12:11] <rohan> *is still
[12:22] <slestak> guys,  i installed alpha6 on a spare partition of my inspiron to lend a hand in testing
[12:23] <slestak> the intrpeid install on sda2 is succesful and no big issues.  however, my gutsy install on sda3 now longer can use the nvidia driver.  i can only use the nv driver.
[12:23] <rohan_1> slestak: this should not have hapened at all if both are on seperate disks
[12:24] <slestak> i do not see why one would've affected the other, but this gutsy install has been solid forever
[12:24] <slestak> same disk, differernt partitions
[12:24] <rohan_1>  /boot partiton is the same?
[12:24] <slestak> no, /boot is mounted under /
[12:25] <slestak> grub is installed in mbr.
[12:26] <slestak> one visual clue i got (if i can get a clue) was after booting intrepid, I tried to use the restricted driver manager to install nvidia driver and it seemed to want to install, but it never tried to download.
[12:26] <slestak> I clicked it maybe 3 times, but then I decided to use synatpic to get updates, and then 290MB of updates came doewn from the apt servers
[12:27] <rohan_1> hm.. but drivers were downlaoded on diffrenet partitons wite or was sda3 used in this process
[12:27] <slestak> after the reboot, I may or may not have booted into gutsy this time.  I wonder if the post-kernel upgracde boot, if you do not come into the same os, maybe it screws up system.map, or sth grub depends on?
[12:27] <rohan_1> check syslogs for access in sda3 if you find traces of read/write youll get there
[12:27] <slestak> sda3 waqs not used in any fashion on this upgrade
[12:28] <slestak> i partitioned manually using the livecd graphical installer.
[12:28] <slestak> chose to mount /dev/sda2 as /, formatting my hardy install (stuck with gutsy as primary os)
[12:29] <rohan_1> check syslog for read/write on sda3
[12:29] <slestak> /var/log in which partition?
[12:29] <slestak> II or GG
[12:29] <slestak> i am booted into gutsy right now,
[12:30] <rohan_1> in sda3
[12:30] <slestak> brb
[12:30] <elmargol> http://pastebin.com/mab1d905 <- this bug drives me nuts :/
[12:30] <slestak> will check
[12:31] <slestak> rohan_1: would that most likely be in messages or in dmesg output?
[12:31] <rohan_1> not dmesg
[12:32] <slestak> k
[12:32] <rohan_1> that is for kernel parsing only
[12:32] <etienne> anybody for my gconf-d problem ?
[12:32] <etienne> :)
[12:33] <elmargol> can someone please install jockey-kde and see if it works for you?
[12:33] <slestak> wouldn't i want to check /dev/sda3 for rw to sda2?  not other way araound?  I want to know if intrpeid can write to gutsy
[12:33] <slestak> not if gutsy can write to intrepid
[12:33] <rohan_1> elmargol: known issue actually arises form the unstable python pakages
[12:34] <elmargol> oh i see there are python updates for mee. lets see if this fixes it
[12:34] <rohan_1> slestak: anything with read/write to sda3 from intrepid
[12:34] <rohan_1> elmargol: the new upadate will fix it
[12:35] <elmargol> great thx
[12:35] <rohan_1> elmargol: as always no problem ;)
[12:37] <slestak> rohan_1: this is the only mention of sda3 in II messages:
[12:37] <slestak> Sep 30 07:11:33 e1505 kernel: [    4.132540]  sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 < sda5 >
[12:37] <rohan_1> this only a kernel hdd broadcast
[12:38] <slestak> IMO, i cannot prove it, when i clicked on RestDriver Manager in Intrepid and it appeared to malfunction, I think it someohow touched gutsy then
[12:39] <rohan_1> yes! intrepid tried to restore drivers this a know issue
[12:39] <rohan_1> elmargol: any luck?
[12:39] <slestak> rohan_1: yeah, but it should've stayed on its own / partition
[12:40] <slestak> and nvidia-glx-new will now no longer install or run on GG with 2.6.25
[12:40] <rohan_1> slestak: the new thing about restore is that it even checks local drivers
[12:40] <rohan_1> simple solution! from gusty remove the new driver and install the correct one
[12:41] <slestak> say if I had suse, or arch, or sth else on another spare partition, it shouldnt have accessed or edited it
[12:41] <slestak> rohan_1: from gutsy, nvidia-100 will not install
[12:41] <slestak> from II, nvidia-177 is running perfectly
[12:42] <slestak> before II, nvidia-100 was bulletproof on this machine
[12:42] <slestak> i appreciate your help this morning.  i need to run, got to get to work
[12:42] <rohan_1> hm.. last solution REINSTALL :(
[12:43] <slestak> rohan_1: ohh, i dont think si :)
[12:43] <rohan_1> kk bye
[12:43] <slestak> this isnt xp im using here
[12:43] <rohan_1> heh
[12:43] <slestak> in testing II, GG should've been safe and sound
[12:43] <slestak> see ya guys.
[13:05] <C10uD> hello there, is there some way i can interact with v4l configuration without using v4l-conf?
[13:12] <etienne> hey
[13:12] <etienne> is anybody has the "burst cpu" gconfd problem ?
[13:15] <askand> Who decides what bugs will be aimed to fixfor the beta?
[13:15] <kulight> what is burst cpu bug ?
[13:16] <etienne> kulight: my bug :)
[13:16] <etienne> gconfd eats 25 % of cpu
[13:18] <kulight> not me but i have different cpu bug
[13:19] <etienne> i cannot go below 3 of load average
[13:19] <etienne> with gconfd
[13:19] <etienne> looks being in forever loop
[13:20] <kulight> sorry never happened for me
[13:20] <etienne> and i cannot find bug on these
[13:20] <etienne> on launchpad
[13:20] <kulight> but my cpu wont go over 800MHz
[13:20] <gnomefreak> askand: that would be up to the developer or group that is in connection to the package the bug is on
[13:21] <gnomefreak> askand: and it ay not be in beta but final release
[13:21] <gnomefreak> s/ay/may
[13:22] <etienne> kulight: don't have this bug :)
[14:49] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi, why does koffice for kde3 get installed rather than koffice2 for kde4 when doing a sudo apt-get install koffice?
[14:56] <TheInfinity> CPrgmSwR2: because koffice2 is not stable yet?
[14:57] <CPrgmSwR2> And intrepid is?
[14:58] <gnomefreak> CPrgmSwR2: because you didnt say to install koffice2
[14:58] <CPrgmSwR2> sudo apt-get install koffice2
[14:58] <TheInfinity> CPrgmSwR2: koffice2 wont be stable when intrepid is
[14:58] <CPrgmSwR2> invalid package
[14:58] <gnomefreak> or maybe koffice-kde4 i cant remember
[14:58] <TheInfinity> thats why default koffice still will be v1
[14:59] <gnomefreak> nope it is koffice
[14:59] <TheInfinity> CPrgmSwR2: look at http://wiki.koffice.org/index.php?title=KOffice2/Schedule
[14:59] <CPrgmSwR2> koffice is for kde3 though
[14:59] <gnomefreak> yep its not 2
[14:59] <gnomefreak> policy works ;)
[15:00]  * gnomefreak had it installed before hd died
[15:11] <CPrgmSwR2> Will kde3 be a part of kubuntu for a while?
[15:11] <CPrgmSwR2> yet
[15:12] <gnomefreak> CPrgmSwR2: intrepid dropped kde3 didnt it?
[15:12] <CPrgmSwR2> no
[15:12] <CPrgmSwR2> you can still run kde3 apps
[15:13] <CPrgmSwR2> There is no kde3 environment though
[15:13] <gnomefreak> CPrgmSwR2: no i think its just packages i cant find kde3
[15:13] <CPrgmSwR2> ^
[15:13] <gnomefreak> but you do however have .kde and .kde4 as i recall
[15:14] <gnomefreak> if you look only one is just about empty
[15:14] <gnomefreak> hold that thought
[15:14]  * bugabundo_work waves!
[15:15] <gnomefreak> some peices are there but not as a de env.
[15:44] <DanaG> Stupid NetworkManager and iwl3945... it takes 30 to 60 seconds (or even to a minute and a half) to list networks after resume from suspend.
[15:48] <maco> DanaG: you can suspend? i'm not on intrepid (was trying to ask a ? in here earlier), but one of my friends is. he was saying "consider yourself lucky if you can suspend after the upgrade"
[15:49] <DanaG> I can.  Suspend is really a wildcard... sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
[15:49] <maco> unfortunately, i'm sure hardy -> jaunty won't be a supported upgrade path...
[15:50] <DanaG> You could try the daily-livecd image, and try suspend-to-ram from there.
[15:50] <DanaG> Odd... why is Intel wireless power saving not being set when on battery?
[15:51] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/bugs/254695
[15:55] <DanaG> pm-utils, acpi-support, laptop-mode-tools... why so many overlapping things?
[15:55] <DanaG> Power saving in Linux really is a mess.
[15:56] <maco> hmm i wonder if power saving or sound is a bigger mess...
[16:02] <Gekz> I have a question
[16:02] <Gekz> will the final release include Gnome 2.24?
[16:02] <Gekz> or still 2.23?
[16:03] <zniavre> 2.24
[16:03] <Gekz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview
[16:03] <Gekz> why does this say otherwise
[16:04] <maco> Gekz: 2.23 is the devel version of 2.24
[16:04] <maco> Gekz: 2.24 was just released a few days ago, so things are being packaged up still
[16:04] <gnomefreak> 2.23 is no longer in repos
[16:05] <Pici> Many of the gnome application packages have been upgraded to 2.24 however.
[16:05] <Teisei> Only amsn can show picture from /dev/video0 ... I have this webcam
[16:05] <Teisei> Why only amsn ?
[16:05] <Gekz> ok.
[16:05] <Gekz> thanks
[16:05] <Gekz> :O)
[16:06] <Teisei> Camorama, Cheese, VLC, Skype ... none of those can show my webcam picture
[16:06] <gnomefreak> live feed or picture?
[16:06] <Teisei> Either way
[16:06] <Teisei> Skype crashes when I try to show webcam
[16:06] <Teisei> VLC does nothing
[16:07] <zniavre> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/187396/2.24.png
[16:07] <Teisei> Cheese only shows black n white "snow rain" screen
[16:07] <Teisei> Camorama gives error
[16:07] <gnomefreak> when did vlc support webcams?
[16:07] <Teisei> aMSN does not complain about anything, and webcam works correctly
[16:08] <Teisei> gnomefreak: In 8.04, 7.10 and 7.04 it did
[16:08] <Teisei> It has V4L2
[16:08] <gnomefreak> Teisei: show says nothing about webcam
[16:08] <Teisei> gnomefreak: Should I say, "does not show preview"
[16:08] <DanaG> Wow, gnome-power-manager has become rather delusional.
[16:08] <Pici> gnomefreak: VLC has an option to open a V4L2 device.
[16:08] <gnomefreak> yes it does i missed the mid paragrpyh
[16:08] <DanaG> It thinks I'm using 92 watts.
[16:09] <DanaG> I'm only using 23 watts, according to PowerTop.
[16:09] <DanaG> s/delusional/demented/
[16:09] <gnomefreak> Teisei: you would have to file bugs i would say. but if none are working but one its more than likely on your end
[16:10] <Teisei> My webcam (Labtec Webcam Pro) is recognized by the system, and works just fine with aMSN ...
[16:10] <Teisei> gnomefreak: I was thinking if aMSN uses some settings that make the webcam work
[16:10] <DanaG> Even when running Battlefield 2... I only use up to 60 watts.
[16:10] <gnomefreak> does it work with gnome-meeting(dont remember new name)
[16:10] <DanaG> So 92 is absolutely bogus.
[16:10] <DanaG> Bo-o-gus.
[16:10] <Pici> DanaG: Then file a bug.
[16:11] <Teisei> gnomefreak: Ekiga ?
[16:11] <maco> ekiga
[16:11] <Teisei> I will try !
[16:11] <gnomefreak> Teisei: yeah
[16:11] <DanaG> I think I'll do so, later today.
[16:12] <Teisei> Hell yeah ! Works with Ekiga too
[16:12] <Teisei> Ekiga and aMSN are the best
[16:12] <DanaG> It's also showing a zigzaggy power graph... that keeps repeating the same pattern.
[16:12] <kallu> power management got screwed up in 2.6.27 kernel suspend to RAM/disk and mointor shutdown not working
[16:13] <DanaG> Those two things work fine for me.
[16:16] <Authority> are there any documented upgrade procedures to go from Hardy to Intrepid Alpha 6?
[16:16] <Gekz> yes
[16:16] <Gekz> if you checked the documents you would know
[16:16] <Gekz> lol
[16:16] <gnomefreak> anyone care to tell me if claws-mail + gpg works for you?
[16:17] <Gekz> Authority: To upgrade from Ubuntu 8.04, press Alt+F2 and type in "update-manager -d"
[16:17] <Gekz> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha6
[16:17] <Authority> the only documents I can seem to find involve downloading the CD and reinstalling
[16:18] <Authority> Gekz: is there a kubuntu version of that?  I don't seem to have update-manager
[16:19] <Gekz> use sudo
[16:19] <Gekz> ?
[16:19] <Gekz> I dont know
[16:19] <Gekz> -_-
[16:19] <gnomefreak> Authority: adept or update-manager-kde but let me look
[16:19] <gnomefreak> Authority: update-manager-kde
[16:19] <gnomefreak> run that with -d option
[16:20] <gnomefreak> although learning apt more might help, should also be documented on upgrade wiki
[16:21] <Authority> gnomefreak: well I was just gonna replace all instances of hardy with intrepid in my sources.list, seems like that's worked in the past for me
[16:21] <gnomefreak> Authority: not a good idea
[16:22] <Authority> gnomefreak: ok then, good to know
[16:22] <Gekz> how does the upgrade process work exactly?
[16:22] <Gekz> in debian, what Authority said would work fine
[16:22] <maco> Gekz: the gui things have "hints" so they know special cases to watch for
[16:23] <maco> Gekz: there's do-release-upgrade for the CLI version
[16:24] <gnomefreak> changing sources.list and using dist-upgrade == if you have non official packages apt doesnt know what to do with it
[16:24] <gnomefreak> thats one example
[16:25] <Gekz> ah.
[16:25] <maco> there's also that lovely dapper-installed-evms and if you upraded to gutsy gutsy-kernel-hates-evms thing where evms was only removed if you used the official way, but if you did command line dist-upgrade, then evms stayed and started fighting the kernel for control of mounted partitions
[16:28] <Gekz> lol
[16:28] <gnomefreak> u-m was fixed to beable to work around most issues with upgrade, im not saying there are no bugs in it but its alot safer to use than terminal unless you use dp-release-upgrade although i haven't tested it in a while
[16:29] <gnomefreak> oh yeah u-m allows you to go from LTS > LTS
[16:31] <Authority> ok, the magic invocation for Kubuntu seems to be "kdesu 'adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel'"
[16:31] <Gekz> sounds exciting
[16:32] <Authority> just letting you know in case anyone else asks
[16:33] <gnomefreak> Authority: from using earlier versions of adept i dont recommend using it
[16:34] <Authority> gnomefreak: whatcha mean?  I've done upgrades to the past few releases using adept
[16:35] <Authority> the only "un-official" packages I use are the KDE4 packages for Hardy, and I confirmed it's going to remove those
[16:40] <gnomefreak> Authority: i said i dont recommend it and i dont think the documents do as well but i can look
[16:41] <gnomefreak> !upgrade
[16:44] <Authority> ok, so this is the recommended way.  I just didn't know how to make it accept upgrading to a development version
[16:45] <gnomefreak> IIRC there was talk in either gg or hh dev cycles on removing adept and using something else but as i recall adept upstream devs had something to do with reason why we didnt
[17:03] <Blitzcoder> Hey guys, I'm not able to install intrepid
[17:03] <gnomefreak> magentar: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu intrepid main
[17:03] <gnomefreak> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu intrepid main
[17:03] <magentar> thx
[17:03] <sharperguy> Any reason why ubuntu can't just use the old blue globe icon for firefox and just call it "Web Browser"?
[17:03] <Blitzcoder> The installer just says "??? ???" before partitioning starts
[17:03] <gnomefreak> why not?
[17:03] <gnomefreak> Blitzcoder: kubuntu?
[17:03] <Blitzcoder> Problem appears in ubiquity and the alternate installer
[17:03] <Blitzcoder> No, ubuntu
[17:04] <Blitzcoder> /var/log/messages sais that libparted failed with segfaukt
[17:04] <Blitzcoder> -k+l
[17:04] <gnomefreak> Blitzcoder: are the md5 correct? and did you burn on lowest speed?
[17:04] <Blitzcoder> But gparted works fine
[17:04] <gnomefreak> Blitzcoder: its been known to happen
[17:04] <Blitzcoder> gnomefreak, yes
[17:04] <Blitzcoder> I burned 2 CD's, same Problem
[17:04] <magentar> gnomefreak, do you know if they will make it in intrepid before it's release? probably not because of the beta freeze right?
[17:04] <Blitzcoder> And the self test is ok
[17:05] <Blitzcoder> I compiled and installed the lastest libparted on the livecd, but i didnt help
[17:06] <Blitzcoder> the problem is, google doesnt search for "??? ???"
[17:06] <Blitzcoder> I'm sure iam not the only one suffering from this bug
[17:07] <gnomefreak> magentar: at this time no i dont. the person that was wroking on it had to leave home due to weather i havent heard from him since
[17:09] <magentar> oh that's bad, thanks for the info
[17:21] <TomJaeger> What's the deal with the "Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page size is deprecated"
[17:21] <TomJaeger> warnings?
[17:22] <TomJaeger> Are they supposed to be fixed in all the applications or is that warning going to be reverted?
[17:22] <Blitzcoder> Many apps produce warnings like this
[17:22] <Blitzcoder> Just warnings, nothing dramatic
[17:23] <TomJaeger> Well, I don't think users should be exposed to them, as they're only helpful to developers
[17:24] <cbr> hi, i'm experiencing troubles trying to resume from hibernation.. the system just carries out a normal boot
[17:24] <cbr> how can i debug it or smth?
[17:25] <mnemoc> hi, how can I force a partial-upgrade? I have human-theme and mplayer pending, but on the last auto-upgrade the maanger didn't ask me to do the partial thing
[17:44] <khanh_coltech> i get some problem whem install driver for my ati card use envyng
[17:44] <khanh_coltech> when i install, it show:
[17:44] <khanh_coltech> SystemError: E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[17:44] <khanh_coltech>     fixer.Resolve(True)
[17:44] <khanh_coltech>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/apt/package.py", line 421, in markInstall
[17:44] <khanh_coltech>     pkg.markInstall()
[17:44] <khanh_coltech>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/Envy/packagemanager.py", line 198, in install
[17:44] <khanh_coltech>     self.pkg.install(packages, self.widget)
[17:44] <khanh_coltech>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/Envy/abstraction.py", line 149, in install
[17:44] <khanh_coltech>     myFunction(myArgs)
[17:44] <khanh_coltech>   File "interface.py", line 391, in process
[17:44] <khanh_coltech>     self.process(self.abstract.install, package)
[17:44] <khanh_coltech>   File "interface.py", line 333, in driverMenu
[17:44] <khanh_coltech>     a.driverMenu('fglrx')
[17:44] <khanh_coltech>   File "interface.py", line 303, in mainMenu
[17:44] <khanh_coltech>     a.mainMenu()
[17:44] <khanh_coltech>   File "interface.py", line 432, in <module>
[17:44] <khanh_coltech> Traceback (most recent call last):
[17:46] <khanh_coltech> hellp me :(
[17:46] <Tm_T> !pastebin | khanh_coltech
[17:49] <khanh_coltech> my error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/52521/
[17:50] <khanh_coltech> /help
[17:52] <aloisiojr> hey all, how can i make network-manager stop to manage my usb0 iface?
[17:53] <aloisiojr> cause in gutsy i just need to set it as static in /etc/network/interfaces
[17:53] <aloisiojr> but in intrepid this hint did't work
[17:59] <slanning> definitely broke my system  \o/
[18:01] <slanning> I guess the most important issue is that networking no longer works
[18:02] <slanning> sorry, I spoke prematurely - networking works :x
[18:03] <PrivateRolf> Any way I can upgrade to Intrepid without a CD?
[18:03] <slanning> sure : update-manager -d     I think it is
[18:03] <Pici> update-manager -d  caveat emptor of course.
[18:04] <GoddamnDevil> sudo do-release-upgrade --devel-release
[18:04] <PrivateRolf> Haha! Awesome. Thanks.
[18:04] <GoddamnDevil> is another way
[18:04] <PrivateRolf> What's the advantage of the --devel-release cflag
[18:04] <PrivateRolf> ?
[18:04] <GoddamnDevil> it checks if there's an devel release available
[18:05] <PrivateRolf> AH
[18:05] <GoddamnDevil> when II is officially published, you dont need --devel
[18:05] <PrivateRolf> And there's no way to use ubiquity to make it a seperate partition?
[18:06] <slanning> if I just....wait a while, will the nvidia driver get fixed by itself?
[18:08] <PrivateRolf> 45 minutes.
[18:08] <PrivateRolf> Joy.
[18:09] <khanh_coltech> anyone get error with fglrx or envyng
[18:11] <Blitzcoder> Hm, i cant install intrepid because liparted crashes while reading the partition table
[18:12] <Blitzcoder> http://phpfi.com/358823
[18:12] <Blitzcoder>  /var/log/messages
[18:12] <Blitzcoder> there seems to be a problem with my windows ntfs partition
[18:15] <Blitzcoder> Any ideas?
[18:17] <slanning> I think my problem is : linux-image-2.6.27-4-generic   2.6.27-4.6     but then    linux-restricted-modules-generic  2.6.27-4.5
[18:18] <Blitzcoder> my problem?
[18:18] <slanning> no, me me me
[18:42] <GoddamnDevil> slanning: thats not a problem..
[18:43] <slanning> hmmm... :/
[18:45] <GoddamnDevil> slanning: what's the problem?
[18:45] <GoddamnDevil> too lazy to use scroll :)
[18:45] <slanning>  /var/log/Xorg.0.log has a bunch of   "open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory"   fb1, fb2, etc.
[18:46] <slanning> well, graphics no longer works
[18:46] <slanning> I try using the "default" configuration, but that didn't work either
[18:46] <GoddamnDevil> what grapchics card
[18:46] <slanning> I thought the nvidia driver is not right with the kernel
[18:47] <DBO> why is boot concurrency not enabled by default in upstart?
[18:47] <slanning> GeForce GO 7600
[18:48] <GoddamnDevil> have you manually edited xorg.conf
[18:53] <skyjumper> is anyone successfully using the 'nv' driver in intrepid?
[19:15] <Samushka> i'm no linux expert, but it seems like my intel x3100 integrated graphics card isn't working in Intrepid ... is this a known problem, or is there something that i need to do to get the driver running?
[19:17] <Samushka> i checked the forums, but can't find anything.
[19:17] <skyjumper> try the bug tracker
[19:17] <Samushka> what's the URL ?
[19:17] <skyjumper> launchpad.net
[19:18] <Samushka> ok, what i just search in the search box?
[19:18] <Pici> !bugs
[19:18] <Samushka> nvm
[19:20] <Samushka> is there a command i can type to see what video driver is currently loaded?
[19:22] <astraljava> Samushka: `lsmod` gives you a list of modules loaded into memory.
[19:24] <Samushka> i basically want to see what video card ubuntu detects, as i suspect it's in VESA mode at the moment.
[19:26] <Assid> yello
[19:26] <astraljava> Samushka: What card do you have then?
[19:26] <Assid> im baaack!
[19:26] <Samushka> well i have an intel x3100
[19:26] <Samushka> (integrated)
[19:26] <skyjumper> Samushka: you'll probably have to look through xorg.log
[19:27] <skyjumper> though i'm not sure where it is in ubuntu
[19:27] <Samushka> ok ill use the find command.
[19:27] <skyjumper> oh heh /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:27] <Assid> ~release
[19:27] <Assid> err.. forgot the bots' cmd
[19:28] <astraljava> !release
[19:29] <Joeb454> ok can somebody just confirm something for me?
[19:29] <Joeb454> Intrepid is keeping the theme from 8.04 (it may be slightly modified, I don't know)
[19:30] <Joeb454> but is New Human still going to be an optional theme in the appearance dialog?
[19:30] <Assid> astraljava: theres another page normally.. that shows the roadmap
[19:30] <Assid> !roadmap
[19:30] <Assid> basically on which date is what release
[19:30] <xxploit> Joeb454, appears that way, at least thats the default for alpha 6
[19:31] <astraljava> !release intrepid
[19:31] <astraljava> Meh.
[19:31] <Joeb454> xxploit, if it's still there as an option that's good :) I actually preferred it
[19:31] <xxploit> Joeb454, yeh its there as an option
[19:31] <astraljava> !intrepid
[19:31] <Joeb454> ok thanks xxploit :)
[19:31] <Joeb454> does it run in a VM yet?
[19:32] <Assid> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[19:32] <Assid> there we go
[19:32] <Pici> Assid: its !schedule btw
[19:32] <Assid> aah yes
[19:32] <Assid> give me a break i havent been here in a while
[19:33] <Assid> so you guys still need more mirrors?
[19:33]  * Pici shrugs
[19:33] <Assid> for the whole release party thing
[19:33] <Assid> what what?!?!
[19:34] <Assid> cmon i pushed around a couple hundred gigs last time around
[19:34] <astraljava> Assid: You should understand that this is probably not the channel to ask.
[19:34] <Pici> Assid: I'm by no means an authority on this. I'm just saying that I don't know.
[19:34] <Pici> Assid: But I'd bet we'd be happy to have another mirror somewhere.
[19:35] <Assid> astraljava: yeah i know.. but i dont mean it officially..
[19:35] <Assid> more like expected number of downloaders
[19:35] <Assid> like hardy was a big update..
[19:36] <astraljava> Okay. Well I'm sure all mirrors are appreciated.
[19:36] <Assid> hrmm buzz me when its up :P
[19:36] <astraljava> Assid: Beta is around very soon.
[19:37] <Assid> astraljava: yeah waiting for that to upgrade my lappy
[19:38] <mickstephenson> Alright this is driving me crazy, I have updated intrepid and the toolbar in nautilus has gone, and there seems to be no options in the UI to bring it back, I feel ridiculously silly that I cant sort it out, surely I don't have to enable it in gconf.
[19:49] <GoddamnDevil> mickstephenson: rm .nautilus from homefolder to revert to defaults
[20:37] <maxb> Hi, I have wireless hardware which went from using madwifi to ath5k_pci in intrepid - it can no longer complete WPA negotiation
[20:38] <maxb> Does anyone have an idea whether the ath5k_pci driver is supposed to be mostly working at this point?
[20:39] <maxb> Also, is madwifi completely dropped from intrepid, or is it practical to revert to it as a workaround?
[20:43] <TeLLuS> No candidate version found for kworldclock or kworldclock-kde4 in Kubuntu intrepid... Why?
[21:03] <maxb> Hmm, I think the "Hardware Drivers" tool is lying to me
[21:04] <maxb> "No proprietary drivers are in use on this system"
[21:04] <maxb> yet I have ath_pci / ath_hal loaded
[21:07] <za119> hey I just installed ubuntu 8.10 (latest version) on my macbook pro, got everything set up, the usual (I am somewhat familiar to ubuntu), and randomly my main mouse button (my only mouse button) now just keeps right clicking instead of regular clicing, and my f12 key (usually right click button) is now the regualr click.. help!!!
[21:07] <za119> I am 99.9% sure its an extremely simple fix
[21:09] <za119> hey I just installed ubuntu 8.10 (latest version) on my macbook pro, got everything set up, the usual (I am somewhat familiar to ubuntu), and randomly my main mouse button (my only mouse button) now just keeps right clicking instead of regular clicing, and my f12 key (usually right click button) is now the regualr click.. help!!!
[21:09] <za119> srry
[21:09] <za119> internet shut out
[21:09] <DShepherd> can files be dragged and dropped between tabs in nautilus?
[21:09] <za119> yes
[21:09] <za119> but using the F12 key instead of the mouse button
[21:12] <za119> any ideas
[21:15] <Nubbie> hey guys, having an issue with ecryptfs
[21:16] <Nubbie> it won't automatically mount on login
[21:16] <Nubbie> i can't get it to mount short of calling mount from the terminal.
[21:18] <Nubbie> any ideas?
[21:29] <slestak> i installed alpha6 on a dual boot inspiron, formattign and overwriting my hardy install.  intrepid works well and uses nvidia driver on sda2
[21:29] <slestak> however, after installing intrepid, my gutsy install on sda3 will not load nvidia kernel module.  it worked perfectly before install.
[21:30] <slestak> i had to edit xorg.conf and select the nv driver.
[21:30] <za119> hey I just installed ubuntu 8.10 (latest version) on my macbook pro, got everything set up, the usual (I am somewhat familiar to ubuntu), and randomly my main mouse button (my only mouse button) now just keeps right clicking instead of regular clicing, and my f12 key (usually right click button) is now the regualr click.. help!!!
[21:30] <slestak> i have tried to re-enable the restricted driver in gutsy, which reinstalls nvidia-glx-new, but it still will not load.
[21:31] <slestak> the /boot is not shared between installs.  grub is installed in MBR
[21:31] <slestak> i know this is related to my intrepid install, the timing was too coincidental
[21:40] <bsnider> i was expecting a lot more updates today. like the new kernel and nvidia driver
[21:45] <crimsun> erm, we're in beta freeze.
[21:46] <crimsun> a new kernel and nvidia driver likely won't happen unless the existing one(s) kill people in their sleep.
[21:47] <alteregoa> someone figured out to run fah gpu app on linux?
[21:49] <bsnider> crimsun, i just tested the fedora beta on a crackbook, and it worked great, in addition to having lots of newer stuff than intrepid
[21:50] <crimsun> bsnider: that's great, but ... we're in beta freeze.
[21:51] <bsnider> crimsun, i'll beta freeze you
[21:51] <slestak> can any devs comment on whether im crazy for thinking installing intrepid on sda2 shouldv'e had any effect on sda3?
[21:52] <crimsun> bsnider: uh huh.
[21:52] <slestak> could dkms have changed anything in grub maybe?  since i am having a kernel module problem?
[21:53] <crimsun> slestak: it shouldn't affect anything, but dkms is another mess of beans altogether.
[21:53] <slestak> isnt dkms in II by default?  this gutsy install was solid and functional before installing intrepid
[21:54] <slestak> i partitioned manually using livecd installed and only formatted /dev/sda2
[21:54] <Lofde_> Hello, I installed ubuntustudio-desktop and some more of the packages like the audio and video, and it changed my startup screen after the kernal before the welcome screen and it changed my shutdown screen, how can i change these back? what
[21:55] <crimsun> Lofde_: remove usplash-theme-ubuntustudio and regenerate the initramfs
[21:55] <slestak> Lofde_: I _think_ installing ubuntu-desktop will straighten it out.
[21:55] <slestak> double check me on that
[21:56] <crimsun> slestak: what precisely is the issue with sda3?
[21:58] <slestak> it has gutsy installed, and will not boot into X.  tells me that the nvidia kernel module cannot be loaded.
[21:58] <slestak> nvidia-glx-new will install, but still not boot into x
[21:58] <crimsun> slestak: did dkms generate an nvidia module for your intrepid kernel?
[21:58] <maxb> I'm seeing "The Network Manager applet cannot find some requested resources" popups during upgrading. Is this just an inevitable bit of noise from the upgrade, do you think?
[21:59] <crimsun> slestak: that's the most common failure I've seen
[21:59] <crimsun> slestak: i.e., dkms generates, by default, modules for the /running/ kernel version
[22:04] <slestak> crimsun: yes, the restricted driver works for intrepid
[22:04] <slestak> crimsun: now, the first time I booted intrepid, before I did the first apt update and install 290MB of patches, I tried to use the restricted driver manager to load the nvidia driver.
[22:05] <slestak> crimsun: clicking on it didn't bring up any dialog other than prompt to authenticate, but it never tried to dl or anything.  i wounder if that eerlay restricted driver manager might've touched sda3?
[22:06] <slestak> after updating apt and installing the packages it said were updated since alpha6 was released, the nvidia installed cleanly
[22:06] <slestak> on II, but not on GG
[22:07] <crimsun> slestak: need compilation spew to really diagnose
[22:08] <slestak> i checked /var/log/messages on II to see if sda3 was mounted at all, but the running instance during install was the livecd, so its log is not avaialble.
[22:11] <DShepherd> can files be dragged and dropped between tabs in nautilus ? (intrepid)
[22:11] <Delvien> DShepherd:  i just did.
[22:12] <Delvien> DShepherd: it will also make you go to that tab
[22:13] <slestak> crimsun: do you think this rates a launchpad bug?
[22:13] <DShepherd> Delvien, ok thanks
[22:14] <slestak> crimsun: or is it too early to tell?  how do I get a compilation spew?
[22:16] <crimsun> slestak: look at where dkms dumps its compilation log
[22:16] <crimsun> slestak: and yes, file a bug, please.
[22:17] <slestak> crimsun: i apologize, i know very little about dkms.  would you happen to know where that is?  do i need to enable the log to be saved and do sth or is lit likely on the laptop already and I need to find it?
[22:19] <slestak> crimsun: do you tin this is nvidia-glx-new or dkms when filing at launchpad?
[22:23] <crimsun> slestak: it's spread all over.  See dpkg -L dkms
[22:23] <crimsun> slestak: and the package affected is dkms, not nvidia*
[22:27] <slestak> crimsun: ok.  tyvm.  i'll document this and submit a bug tonight.
[22:28] <slestak> crimsun: but, dkms is not in gutsy, so could this really be it?  i wonder if dkms changes anything on the grub boot line?
[22:28] <slestak> grub and the mbr are really the only common point between these installs
[22:28] <slestak> crimsun: do you want me to find you in here with that compilation output before posting the bug?
[22:29] <crimsun> slestak: dkms doesn't touch GRUB AFAICT
[22:29] <crimsun> slestak: just attach it to the bug, please.  I'm not around very often, so you'd only block on me.
[22:30] <slestak> crimsun: well, ty for your time.
[22:35] <elwood> hi guys
[22:36] <elwood> and girls
[22:49] <omegamormegil> I'm trying to test/use an AT&T 3G USB cellular modem with intrepid.  I've been following the steps in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkManager/Hardware/3G/Probing and I've actually gotten it to connect with wvdial, but how do I get the computer to use the ppp0 interface to connect to the internet?
[22:53] <omegamormegil> Thanks for any response in advance, I just noticed the time and I have to step out for a while.
[23:05] <petersaints> guys... I have an issue with de current daily-live ISO
[23:05] <petersaints> Safe graphics mode
[23:05] <petersaints> seems to not be working anymore
[23:05] <petersaints> is this a know issue?
[23:05] <petersaints> My System doesn't display correctly with the opensource nv drivers
[23:06] <petersaints> I always have to use Safe Graphics Mode, so that it uses vesa, and after install I install the official proprietary NVIDIA drivers
[23:12] <fiyawerx> has anyone seen this? just realize im using ibex - Maximum number of clients reachedError: cannot open display: :0.0
[23:12] <fiyawerx>  when trying to launch firefox
[23:13] <fiyawerx> was working fine but now i can't even start a new terminal, same thing
[23:13] <fiyawerx> was after it sat for a few hours while I was out
[23:19] <outbri> fiyawerx: channel etiquette says to not use enter as punctuation and to do it all on one line. No, I haven't seen that problem.
[23:32] <kane77> too late he's gone.. I got the same thing one time after installing few updates but after restart of gnome it was OK
[23:40] <Lofde_> anyone care to help me with my forum post. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5884038#post5884038  wireless not auto connecting on boot