[05:20] <sujith> Hi!  Just wanted to know your opinions before I create a bug-report in launchpad..
[05:21] <sujith> I hit an installation and boot kernel crash with HWE kernel of Ubuntu-16.04.3 (4.10.0-28)
[05:21] <sujith> Setup is a Dell PowerEdge R940 with 2 socket x 28cores with Hyperthreading enabled.
[05:22] <sujith> Looks like this failure is due to this patch in HWE kernels: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/dc6db24d2476cd09c0ecf2b8d80313539f737a89
[05:23] <sujith> Booting works fine when this patch is included: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/c962cff17dfa11f4a8227ac16de2b28aea3312e4#diff-6bd7ef719bca1a2a56b9ebf4bd0bd88d
[05:24] <sujith> I noticed that fix is already in the 4.11 and above kernels of Ubuntu-zesty
[05:26] <sujith> so can I request for a SRU release for Ubuntu-16.04.3 HWE kernel for this fix? Especially because this one is a boot/install failure?
[09:28] <elacheche> Hey folks! Where can I find IRC support related to the Tomcat7 package?
[14:02] <rbasak> elacheche: community support for tomcat7 -> #ubuntu-server
[14:03] <rbasak> (for the Ubuntu packaging side at least0
[14:03] <rbasak> )
[14:04] <elacheche> thx rbasak The maintaner pointed me to the Bug report related to my issue → https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat7/+bug/1625043
[20:18] <nael> Hi guys, anybody from Bug Control here can please switch bug 1132736 xorg-lts-trusty from Confirmed to Won't Fix? Please see last comment for rationale. Thanks!
[22:13] <nael> quit


[12:35] <ciscosurfer> Hello, is there a specific setting to let Thunar show on the desktop?
[12:36] <somerville32> ciscosurfer, Like a launcher on the desktop?
[12:36] <ciscosurfer> somerville32: yeah, i suppose...is there an equivalent to gconf-editor for xfce?
[12:36] <somerville32> No.
[12:36] <ciscosurfer> bummer
[12:36] <crimsun> well, if it uses gconf, you can use gconf-editor. :-)
[12:36] <somerville32> Just simply create a desktop launcher :)
[12:37] <ciscosurfer> ok
[12:38] <ciscosurfer> i just right-clicked and xfcedesktop just closed.
[12:38] <ciscosurfer> hmm
[12:38] <somerville32> Wonderful :)
[12:38] <somerville32> alt+f2
[12:38] <somerville32> xfdesktop
[12:39] <somerville32> click ok
[12:39] <somerville32> What version of Xubuntu are you using?
[12:39] <ciscosurfer> whatever comes with xubuntu-desktop
[12:39] <ciscosurfer> sorry
[12:39] <ciscosurfer> misread your question
[12:39] <ciscosurfer> ...how can I find this out?
[12:39] <ciscosurfer> nm
[12:39] <ciscosurfer> version <IP_ADDRESS> (Xfce 4.4 BETA2)
[12:40] <ciscosurfer> ok, got it back up and running
[12:40] <ciscosurfer> that was weird
[12:40] <somerville32> What version of Xubuntu are you using? ie. 6.06, 6.10?
[12:40] <ciscosurfer> Edgy 6.10
[12:40] <somerville32> When you right click, do you get an applications menu or context menu?
[12:41] <ciscosurfer> yeah, everything is fine again
[12:41] <ciscosurfer> context menu
[12:41] <somerville32> Ok
[12:41] <somerville32> Just create a launcher
[12:41] <somerville32> ie.
[12:41] <somerville32> Thunar
[12:41] <ciscosurfer> got it
[12:41] <ciscosurfer> thanks
[12:41] <somerville32> np
[12:41] <ciscosurfer> another question if i may...
[12:41] <somerville32> Feel free to hang here :)
[12:41] <somerville32> Sure! :)
[12:42] <ciscosurfer> i went into preferences within Thunar to make items open on single click...inside Thunar, single-click works just fine...what about on my desktop?
[12:42] <bad_cables> before i pave over this distro for YDL, are there any last words from the xubuntu crowd??
[12:42] <somerville32> bad_cables, Whats wrong?
[12:42] <bad_cables> my video out
[12:42] <bad_cables> on an iBook
[12:42] <somerville32> ciscosurfer, Sorry. Doesn't apply to desktop.
[12:43] <ciscosurfer> hurumph
[12:43] <ciscosurfer> okay
[12:43] <bad_cables> and nobody cares because Jobbs is mad at motorola so PPC is dead
[12:43] <ciscosurfer> so what controls the desktop?  like nautilus does for gnome?
[12:43] <somerville32> ciscosurfer, Nothing right now, lol
[12:44] <bad_cables> i mean... people on the ubuntu board said the problem was impossible to fix
[12:44] <ciscosurfer> somerville32: okay....may I ask what you personally like about Xubuntu?
[12:44] <bad_cables> there is a patch for the 2.4 kernels but not the modern kernels?
[12:44] <somerville32> bad_cables, 2.4 is still modern. If using 2.4 will fix your problem, you could always just use the 2.4 release series instead of 2.6
[12:45] <bad_cables> is there a xubuntu live disk that has this ?
[12:45] <somerville32> ciscosurfer, It works fast, looks good, functional, and is cool :)
[12:45] <bad_cables> or now that i have installed it, can i just update the kernel to 2.4?
[12:45] <somerville32> bad_cables, How would you install it?
[12:45] <bad_cables> i dont know
[12:46] <bad_cables> i mean, i am not a linux kernel hacker, i am a musician
[12:46] <somerville32> hehe
[12:46] <ciscosurfer> somerville32: I am mainly a gnome user...tried kubuntu, and really didn't like it...and the guys over on #kubuntu were anything but friendly...saying to Google this and to Google that....I much prefer Xubuntu over Kubuntu...
[12:46] <bad_cables> i have the curse of having to have a website with my mp3's on it... which means that hosting doesnt work for me
[12:46] <bad_cables> i have to serve
[12:46] <bad_cables> i used to actually serve beos
[12:46] <bad_cables> and it worked!
[12:46] <somerville32> bad_cables, You could always compile the server from source
[12:47] <somerville32> Or you might be able to find a debian package online
[12:47] <bad_cables> well the reason that i paved over my website with PHP and Pearl working was that i thought that someone that supported PPC a little better would have fixed this
[12:47] <bad_cables> i mean, what i really need is to find someone who knows this problem
[12:47] <ciscosurfer> somerville32: is there a way (short of signing in using a different user) that I can customize my desktop for Xubuntu and not have it look they same when I log back in to Gnome?
[12:48] <ciscosurfer> icons, etc.
[12:48] <somerville32> It should be separate already
[12:48] <ciscosurfer> let me check again...brb
[12:49] <ciscosurfer> somerville32: well, the launcher I created under Xubuntu now shows up on my Ubuntu desktop
[12:49] <somerville32> Thats to be expected.
[12:50] <somerville32> ~/Desktop is the desktop for both Gnome, Kubuntu, and Xfce4
[12:50] <ciscosurfer> that's what I mean though...no way to make the two sessions separate is this regard (again, short of creating a sep. user)....
[12:50] <ciscosurfer> okay
[12:50] <ciscosurfer> gotcha
[12:50] <somerville32> You can most likely configure gnome to use a different folder as the desktop
[12:51] <ciscosurfer> so, I should just create a sep. user if I want true separation
[12:51] <ciscosurfer> somerville32: you can
[12:51] <somerville32> ciscosurfer, I suppose but I don't see why you would want it
[12:51] <ciscosurfer> somerville32: anyway, you have been most helpful and I appreciate the time you taken to coach me :-)
[12:51] <somerville32> No problem! :)
[12:52] <somerville32> The more the merrier
[12:52] <ciscosurfer> somerville32: :-D
[12:52] <ciscosurfer> does xfce have it's own xfce-look like kde and gnome?
[12:52] <ciscosurfer> lemme check
[12:53] <ciscosurfer> beautiful >> http://www.xfce-look.org/
[12:53] <somerville32> :)
[12:54] <Rav1> Hello?
[12:56] <Rav1> I require a bit of help, and I'm sure it is rather easy to solve my issuance, but I've yet to find anything detailing how to fix it.
[12:57] <Grey_Loki> !ask
[12:57] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:57] <Rav1> I would like to know how one may manually edit the applications menu. Simple, no?
[12:58] <Rav1> (I apologize)
[12:58] <Grey_Loki> Hey, it's cool
[12:58] <Grey_Loki> I'm actually not sure myself - it's not as easy as one would think
[12:58] <Grey_Loki> i've seen several people ask, only to be told by the experts of the channel that it's not an easy task.
[12:59] <Grey_Loki> Perhaps someone like somerville32 could help you
[12:59] <Rav1> Alright, thank you.
[01:01] <ciscosurfer> somerville32: you there?
[01:01] <ciscosurfer> somerville32: how do I install themes?
[01:03] <ciscosurfer> nm, got it
[01:04] <somerville32> ciscosurfer, Sorry. Glade to see you got it installed though :)
[01:04] <ciscosurfer> thanks...trying to get accustomed to using xfce
[01:05] <ciscosurfer> forgot that window manager and user interface was not located in the same place
[01:05] <bad_cables> loose ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:05] <bad_cables> sorry
[01:05] <bad_cables> TD?
[01:05] <bad_cables> damn playoffs
[01:05] <ciscosurfer> which game?
[01:05] <bad_cables> there's only one left
[01:05] <bad_cables> patriots... and indiana
[01:05] <bad_cables> classic
[01:05] <ciscosurfer> haha, i know....:-)
[01:06] <somerville32> bad_cables, Feel free to discuss the playoffs with others in #xubuntu-offtopic - our channel for chit-chat and offtopic discussion :)
[01:06] <ciscosurfer> Chicago Vs.......
[01:06] <bad_cables> manning with that ring lust, he's never had one
[01:06] <bad_cables> sorry
[01:06] <somerville32> No problem :)
[01:06] <bad_cables> if i found a kernel that can be rsync'd can you guys guide me through installing it?
[01:07] <bad_cables> its a 2.4 kernel
[01:07] <bad_cables> or do i need to download a new version of xubuntu?
[01:07] <ciscosurfer> somerville32: is there a way to install an entire theme (interface, windows, icons....all in one step?)
[01:07] <ciscosurfer> somerville32: like in gnome?
[01:07] <somerville32> bad_cables, I could try and help but I've never done it before myself.
[01:08] <somerville32> ciscosurfer, I've never even changed the default theme so I might be a bad person to ask on that one ;]
[01:08] <ciscosurfer> np
[01:08] <ciscosurfer> haha, switched to the RedmondXP window theme, forgot I had switched it, and for a second, thought I was on XP
[01:08] <ciscosurfer> hahahah
[01:09] <bad_cables> well i can download this kernel, but i dont know anything about compiling it and installing it
[01:09] <ciscosurfer> ah, ubuntu, ya little devil ya
[01:09] <ciscosurfer> bad_cables: let me check my bookmarks for some good threads to help you on your way (kernel compilation, etc.)
[01:09] <ciscosurfer> bad_cables: hold pls...
[01:11] <ciscosurfer> bad_cables: this thread (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=311158) says it is for compiling the 2.6.18 kernel, but I think it will help get you started
[01:13] <bad_cables> Note: You can replace "386" with anything you want. Like "k7" or "686."
[01:13] <bad_cables> what that heck do i do for a mac?
[01:15] <bad_cables> power-ps?
[01:15] <bad_cables> i mean... power-pc?
[01:15] <bad_cables> or PPC?
[01:15] <ciscosurfer> bad_cables: let me take a quick look
[01:16] <bad_cables> If you have an extremely slow processor, you may have to wait 3-4 hours for the kernel to compile
[01:16] <bad_cables> wait... dont bother
[01:16] <bad_cables> im not compiling anything on that G3 500
[01:16] <bad_cables> not that is 50MB!!
[01:16] <bad_cables> by that time the game would be over and i would be out of beer
[01:17] <bad_cables> waiste of time
[01:17] <bad_cables> someone out there has a distro of linux that has this working
[01:17] <bad_cables> they say try 4.1 in #yellowdog
[01:17] <bad_cables> donno if that is true
[01:17] <bad_cables> sorry to complain guys
[01:18] <bad_cables> you know... the whole reason that i want to use this mac is that it is quiet
[01:18] <bad_cables> i would never run a web server in a music studio if i couldnt shut a rack case and not hear it
[01:19] <Grey_Loki> Set up a tape room
[01:19] <bad_cables> closet
[01:19] <bad_cables> already did it
[01:19] <Grey_Loki> Didn't work?
[01:19] <bad_cables> its just... i mean, i donno, there is also the watts out of the wall
[01:19] <bad_cables> a mac is less
[01:20] <bad_cables> guess it doesnt matter that much
[01:21] <bad_cables> yeah, i guess i know my problem,
[01:21] <bad_cables> i need to just break down and sell this thing
[01:21] <bad_cables> forget it
[01:21] <bad_cables> :/
[01:21] <bad_cables> intel is just too popular
[01:21] <bad_cables> ok guys... later
[01:22] <bad_cables> have alot of fun :)
[01:22] <ciscosurfer> bad_cables: have you tried looking through the threads and posts here:
[01:22] <ciscosurfer> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?s=335d4db02aee24ecec3a902fb9ae617c&f=133
[01:22] <bad_cables> yeah.. for days
[01:22] <bad_cables> imean, i have found the patches
[01:23] <bad_cables> like i said, but now that i see what is involved, i should just use a PC
[01:24] <Grey_Loki> Why are you trying to use Linux as a DAW, anyways?
[01:25] <bad_cables> DAW?
[01:25] <bad_cables> you mean why not use mac os?
[01:26] <ciscosurfer> bad_cables: Digital Audio Workstation
[01:26] <bad_cables> im using PC for that
[01:27] <bad_cables> PureDyne Asork and Apodio
[01:27] <ciscosurfer> --right, you're wanting to serve out your own mp3 content, correct?
[01:27] <bad_cables> right
[01:27] <bad_cables> which is why i should just use another PC to do it
[01:27] <bad_cables> i mean, at this point i have too
[01:27] <ciscosurfer> yeah.  well, if you can't find what you need on the forums, i suppose you can always try YDL
[01:27] <bad_cables> well i am downloading now
[01:28] <bad_cables> i will try it
[01:28] <bad_cables> if i can close the lid and get it, then i will use it
[01:28] <ciscosurfer> different distros work better for certain situations, architectures, etc.
[01:28] <bad_cables> if not... im gonna take this thing to the apple corp office and throw it throw it through their front window
[01:28] <ciscosurfer> hmm.  that prob. won't go over well.  lol
[01:28] <gunny01> sounds like a plan.
[01:29] <gunny01> ;)
[01:29] <bad_cables> thanks for the help...
[01:29] <bad_cables> appreciate it
[01:29] <bad_cables> if i do need to install to a PC i will do a xubuntu quick and dirty ;)
[01:29] <bad_cables> latah!
[02:16] <fleischwurst> xfce 4.4 will be released in a few hours
[02:16] <fleischwurst> :)
[02:17] <PuMpErNiCkLe> woot
[02:19] <fleischwurst> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=19869&package_id=187881&release_id=480300
[02:19] <fleischwurst> there
[02:19] <somerville32> Schweet! :
[02:19] <somerville32> :)
[02:20] <somerville32> gpocentek, crimsun: 4.4 is released :)
[02:20] <fleischwurst> ::::)))
[02:20] <fleischwurst> not offically yet i think
[02:20] <fleischwurst> but who cares :D
[02:20] <somerville32> hehe
[02:20] <somerville32> fleischwurst, Are you a xfce4 developer or just a keen observer?
[02:21] <fleischwurst> observer :P
[02:21] <fleischwurst> i dont even know what an observer is but yes i am
[02:21] <fleischwurst> :D
[02:22] <somerville32> :)
[02:23] <fleischwurst> i think im gonna compile it now
[02:24] <fleischwurst> why?
[02:24] <somerville32> Because I'm happy :)
[02:24] <fleischwurst> :-)
[02:29] <noalternative> xubuntu users let your version be counted at ubuntu counter.
[02:29] <noalternative> http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/
[02:30] <somerville32> Xubuntu rocks! :)
[02:30] <somerville32> Woot! :)
[02:30] <fleischwurst> w00t
[02:30] <fleischwurst> compiled :P
[02:30] <fleischwurst> now starting...
[02:30] <fleischwurst> :D
[02:31] <noalternative> It sure does
[02:31] <noalternative> the dapper version seems just as nice as gnome ubuntu
[02:32] <noalternative> I just got an new computer and I think I will install xubuntu on it too, just to make it go fast.
[02:34] <somerville32> :D
[02:34] <somerville32> Xubuntu is good like that
[02:36] <fleischwurst> are xfce goodies included in the xfce installer?
[02:36] <fleischwurst> no, or?
[02:37] <somerville32> I don't think so
[02:37] <fleischwurst> xfce-goodies-4.4.0-installer.run
[02:37] <fleischwurst> ahh
[02:37] <fleischwurst> :)
[02:38] <fleischwurst> so 4.4.0 will be included in xubuntu feisty?
[02:42] <somerville32> Yup
[02:44] <somerville32> ciscosurfer, You should disable that ;]
[02:44] <fleischwurst> :)
[02:44] <ciscosurfer> somerville32: disable marked away?
[02:45] <ciscosurfer> ??
[02:46] <somerville32> Sure
[02:46] <somerville32> :)
[02:46] <ciscosurfer> why?
[02:46] <fleischwurst> because it would spam the channel if everyone would do it
[02:47] <fleischwurst> :p
[02:47] <ciscosurfer> hmm...ok
[02:55] <psykidellic> hello....i have been trying to get my old 3com vortex card recognised by ubuntu but I have failed in last 2 days....somebody suggested to compile from source but I think thats also not possible as it requires packages from internet which i cant connect as the network card itself is not working....also my USB device is not getting recognised so that only way to transfer data is through burned CD which is simply a pain.....i have ask
[02:55] <psykidellic> ed in all IRC rooms related to ubuntu but nobody has been able to figure out whats the issue, also the card was working good when my prof. was using it though it had 2.6.11 kernel and now Ubuntu comes with 2.6.17-10 generic kernel.....so is there anything that i can try other then buying a new network card?
[02:56] <PuMpErNiCkLe> If you do buy a new card, get a realtek 8139 based one.  They're practically universally supported.
[02:56] <fleischwurst> new homepage is online
[02:56] <fleischwurst> :p
[02:56] <fleischwurst> www.xfce.org :)
[02:59] <somerville32> Did they redo the entire thing for 4.4?
[02:59] <fleischwurst> ya
[03:01] <fleischwurst> looks like rc2
[03:01] <fleischwurst> ;P
[03:02] <somerville32> duh
[03:02] <somerville32> ;p
[03:04] <fleischwurst> but somehow its not fully translated into german :<
[03:22] <area_> test
[03:28] <tecywiz121> HELP!  module 8139too doesn't work, it gives error code -16 on boot
[03:29] <somerville32> Hi tecywiz121
[03:29] <somerville32> Does it cause you any issues?
[03:30] <tecywiz121> I can't get online
[03:31] <somerville32> ah.
[03:31] <somerville32> What network card do you have?
[03:32] <tecywiz121> realtech 8139 (I think)
[03:32] <tecywiz121> **realtek
[03:33] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It may use the 8139cp module.
[03:34] <ardya> ok....
[03:35] <ardya> whike xorg seems to be broken somewhat, it seems gnome and xfce won't do Virtual desktop, while wmaker, and fluxbox will
[03:36] <tecywiz121> pumpernickle, that one tells me to use the too one
[03:39] <tecywiz121> ?
[03:46] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Does the error message provide any more details?
[03:47] <tecywiz121> no, it just says that module 8139too failed with error -16  (not exactly that, but very close)
[03:50] <PuMpErNiCkLe> What happens if you boot in verbose mode?
[03:52] <ardya> do any of the dev team come here?
[03:53] <somerville32> ardya, Dev team of Xubuntu or Xfce4?
[03:54] <ardya> either/or
[03:55] <ardya> I cant see this as a bug
[03:55] <somerville32> ardya, How can I help you? :)
[04:01] <ardya> you can't
[04:01] <somerville32> ardya, Why not?
[04:02] <ardya> I explained the situation earlier, and you didnt know
[04:02] <somerville32> Oh, right right
[04:03] <ardya> apparently there's a bug in xorg that prevents ctrl alt +/- cycling of resolutions
[04:04] <ardya> and for some reason gnome and xfce wont use a virtual desktop
[04:05] <somerville32> Maybe if you qualified what you meant by Virtual Desktops, we'd be able to help more.
[04:05] <ardya> the latter may be a feature desicion the maintainers made to please winpupz
[04:06] <ardya> a virtual desktop is one whose desktop real estate is larger than the viewable area of your screen
[04:06] <somerville32> And then there is usually a pager in the panel that allows you switch to different desktops?
[04:07] <somerville32> And/or you can just glide to the other desktops by moving your mouse to the corner of the screen?
[04:07] <ardya> its not related to how many desktops
[04:07] <ardya> its related to the size
[04:07] <ardya> I use a desktop size of 1600x1200, and a resoluition of 1280x1024
[04:07] <somerville32> How does that work?
[04:08] <ardya> so when your mouse hits the edge of your screen, the desktop slides over to its true edge, not the edge of the screen
[04:08] <somerville32> Does the whole thing kind of scroll?
[04:09] <ardya> anyway, i appreciate the effort, but not knowing what it is isn't helping me
[04:09] <somerville32> hehe
[04:09] <ardya> its been a feature of X11 for a long time
[04:17] <tecywiz121> pumpernickle, sorry for the delay, how would I do that?
[04:21] <PuMpErNiCkLe> tecywiz121: Remove 'quiet' and 'splash' from the grub entry.
[04:22] <tecywiz121> pumpernickle, ok, I will do that and see if I can find anything, its off and unhooked atm
[04:41] <bigfuzzyjesus> xcfe 4.4.0 was released
[04:43] <somerville32> We know :)
[04:44] <torist> i need some help with my X11 when SSHing
[04:44] <ciscosurfer> somerville32: got a question
[04:44] <bigfuzzyjesus> somerville32, whats the easiest way to install, in the repositories the only have 3.9.2
[04:44] <ciscosurfer> somerville32: is it possible to modify my system sounds?
[04:45] <somerville32> bigfuzzyjesus, You wait for Feisty to be released ;]
[04:45] <somerville32> ciscosurfer, I believe so.
[04:46] <ciscosurfer> somerville32: how?
[04:46] <torist> i have the error message if someone can help diagnose this X11 / SSH prob
[04:46] <torist> or PM me if you can help so i don't take up space in this irc room
[04:46] <bigfuzzyjesus> somerville32, but i dont wanna :(
[04:47] <bigfuzzyjesus> somerville32, when is the scheduled release
[04:47] <somerville32> ciscosurfer, Actually, maybe not.
[04:47] <somerville32> ciscosurfer, What do you mean by "system sounds"?
[04:47] <somerville32> bigfuzzyjesus, You could upgrade to Feisty and then just wait a few days for it to be uploaded.
[04:48] <somerville32> Feisty has 3.99.2
[04:48] <PuMpErNiCkLe> torist: Just go for it.  If anyone sees something they can help you with, they'll answer.
[04:48] <ciscosurfer> on xfce-look.org, they have a section for System Sounds.  Just wondering how I can modify events, etc.
[04:48] <somerville32> err... 4.3.99, sorry
[04:48] <somerville32> ciscosurfer, I saw that too
[04:48] <somerville32> ciscosurfer, And thats why I said I believed so
[04:48] <somerville32> ciscosurfer, But actually how to do it... I'm not sure.
[04:48] <torist> X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. The application 'gaim' lost its connection to the display :10.0; most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed the application.
[04:48] <ciscosurfer> somerville32: ok...i'll keep looking.  maybe we could ask the channel for help as well :-)
[04:49] <torist> got that error after a sudo ssh -X user@host (also tried -Y)
[04:49] <somerville32> ciscosurfer, Try asking in #xfce
[04:49] <ciscosurfer> somerville32: ok
[04:50] <bigfuzzyjesus> somerville32, how stable is feisty
[04:50] <torist> anyone seen this problem before?
[04:51] <somerville32> bigfuzzyjesus, Depends on which day you ask
[04:52] <bigfuzzyjesus> somerville32, how troublesome has it been for you
[04:52] <somerville32> bigfuzzyjesus, a few quirks
[04:53] <bigfuzzyjesus> somerville32, any examples
[04:53] <torist> is there another room for X11? or is this right place?
[04:54] <ciscosurfer> somerville32: apparently, there is no way to modify any sounds...b/c there is not way to do so
[04:54] <somerville32> bigfuzzyjesus, Well, if my network connection gets disconnected, the computer freezes with a kernel panic :P
[04:54] <somerville32> ciscosurfer, I saw ;]
[04:55] <ciscosurfer> :-)
[04:56] <bigfuzzyjesus> somerville32, well that happens frequently with me so i will stick with edgy eft for now :)
[04:57] <somerville32> bigfuzzyjesus, It doesn't happen to everyone
[04:57] <torist> any suggestions of another room that could help?
[04:58] <somerville32> #openssh ?
[04:58] <bigfuzzyjesus> somerville32, oh well i like the "supported-ness" of EE
[04:58] <o9> i am having X11 problems as well
[04:58] <bigfuzzyjesus> torist, VNC?
[04:59] <torist> tried that
[04:59] <torist> same error
[04:59] <torist> slightly different
[04:59] <torist> but same pretty much
[04:59] <o9> gimmie the run down on the prob?
[04:59] <somerville32> torist, No, I mean the channel :P
[04:59] <o9> im not a linux pro... just an enduser
[04:59] <bigfuzzyjesus> oh don't know then
[04:59] <torist> oh, ok
[05:00] <o9> what is the prob?
[05:00] <torist> o9: i try this sudo ssh -X -Y user@host
[05:00] <torist> and i get this when i try to run something with a gui, say mousepad:
[05:00] <torist> X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. The application 'mousepad' lost its connection to the display :10.0; most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed the application.
[05:00] <torist> i have forwarding enabled in the sshd_config file also
[05:01] <o9> wait... i don't know much about ssh because i dont use that
[05:01] <o9> i know it is like telnet with extra modern features
[05:02] <o9> so you are trying to log into your system remote and run apps?
[05:02] <torist> yeah
[05:02] <gpocentek> torist: why do you use sudo?
[05:02] <o9> see what confuses me is that X is graffix
[05:02] <torist> and VNC doesn't work either
[05:02] <torist> because it can't forward the X
[05:02] <o9> fowarding X is out of my league... sorry man
[05:03] <o9> i would say it sounds like the remote user doesn't have permissions??
[05:03] <o9> but i dont know
[05:04] <o9> did you try the ubuntu/debian forums to find similar problems?
[05:04] <torist> tried logging on as room also
[05:04] <torist> tried google
[05:04] <torist> there were others with my problem
[05:04] <torist> but no one had a solution
[05:04] <torist> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1361790#post1361790
[05:04] <torist> i am trying this now
[05:04] <o9> there are brick walls to problems
[05:04] <bigfuzzyjesus> tourist can you just connect to ssh
[05:04] <o9> linux cant know everything
[05:05] <bigfuzzyjesus> and why do you use sudo
[05:05] <torist> i can do ssh
[05:05] <torist> no gui though
[05:05] <torist> trying without sudo
[05:05] <o9> that should work... ssh is just like telnet
[05:05] <torist> same error
[05:05] <torist> i can SSH, just can't open programs with GUIs without getting that error
[05:05] <bigfuzzyjesus> torist, why do you need to remotely run gaim
[05:06] <torist> i tried mousepad too
[05:06] <torist> i can't get any GUI program running over SSH
[05:06] <bigfuzzyjesus> torist, do you need to
[05:06] <somerville32> Guys...
[05:06] <somerville32> Don't try and convince him not to do it
[05:06] <bigfuzzyjesus> ok ok ok
[05:07] <somerville32> Here is here to find out HOW to do it... not IF he wants to do it.
[05:07] <somerville32> *He
[05:07] <bigfuzzyjesus> somerville32, i am kind of lazy sorry, sometimes it rubs off, with me its more of an if it aint broke dont fix it philosophy
[05:07] <bigfuzzyjesus> as far as linux goes
[05:08] <bigfuzzyjesus> now hardware hacking is a dif story
[05:08] <torist> is it safe to sudo rm $HOME/.Xauthority to fix my problem maybe?
[05:08] <torist> (see URL above)
[05:09] <o9> torist: opening a program with a GUI remote is some hardcore stuff...
[05:09] <torist> its pretty awesome
[05:09] <o9> it opens up a whole new world
[05:09] <bigfuzzyjesus> torist, i agree i use vnc
[05:09] <torist> can't
[05:09] <torist> get the same error with vncserver
[05:09] <torist> plus its not secure
[05:10] <bigfuzzyjesus> torist, i know, that sucks, i dont know how to help you, sorry
[05:10] <o9> are you sure that the user you are logging on with has the permissions of the owner of the app?
[05:10] <bigfuzzyjesus> sshvnc
[05:10] <torist> i tried logging in as root
[05:10] <torist> and it gave me the same problem
[05:10] <torist> ssh -X (or -Y) root@host
[05:10] <o9> huh
[05:11] <bigfuzzyjesus> torist, sorr when i do ssh -X user@host it works for me, sorry man
[05:11] <cryosphere> hello, if someone want to help me figure out why I can't connect to the internet after installing xubuntu, please look at http://pastebin.com/864675
[05:11] <cryosphere> I'm losing my mind
[05:11] <torist> bigfuzzyjesus, can i see your sshd_config
[05:12] <bigfuzzyjesus> torist sure
[05:12] <bigfuzzyjesus> pm
[05:13] <bigfuzzyjesus> torist, where is sshd_config at
[05:14] <torist>  /etc/ssh
[05:18] <somerville32> cryosphere, Hey
[05:18] <somerville32> cryosphere, Can you describe your network setup to me?
[05:19] <torist> bigfuzzyjesus, u alive?
[05:19] <cryosphere> emachine m5312 laptop, Dlink router, DSL modem, DHCP
[05:19] <bigfuzzyjesus> torist, sending it to pastebin right now
[05:19] <torist> k, thanx
[05:20] <somerville32> PHONE CABLE --> DSL MODEM --> ROUTER --> (COMPUTERS)
[05:20] <somerville32> ?
[05:21] <cryosphere> thats right
[05:21] <Jester45> lol wish mine was that simple
[05:21] <somerville32> cryosphere, And you have two computers?
[05:21] <cryosphere> nope
[05:21] <bigfuzzyjesus> # This is the ssh client system-wide configuration file.  See
[05:21] <bigfuzzyjesus> # ssh_config(5) for more information.  This file provides defaults for
[05:21] <bigfuzzyjesus> # users, and the values can be changed in per-user configuration files
[05:21] <bigfuzzyjesus> # or on the command line.
[05:21] <cryosphere> dual boot
[05:21] <bigfuzzyjesus> # Configuration data is parsed as follows:
[05:21] <bigfuzzyjesus> #  1. command line options
[05:21] <bigfuzzyjesus> #  2. user-specific file
[05:21] <bigfuzzyjesus> #  3. system-wide file
[05:21] <bigfuzzyjesus> # Any configuration value is only changed the first time it is set.
[05:21] <bigfuzzyjesus> # Thus, host-specific definitions should be at the beginning of the
[05:22] <bigfuzzyjesus> # configuration file, and defaults at the end.
[05:22] <bigfuzzyjesus> # Site-wide defaults for some commonly used options.  For a comprehensive
[05:22] <bigfuzzyjesus> # list of available options, their meanings and defaults, please see the
[05:22] <Jester45> bigfuzzyjesus: dont spam
[05:22] <bigfuzzyjesus> # ssh_config(5) man page.
[05:22] <bigfuzzyjesus> Host *
[05:22] <Jester45> use pastebin
[05:22] <somerville32> cryosphere, Why are you using a router?
[05:22] <torist> wait, this is the ssh_config, not the sshd_config
[05:22] <cryosphere> well I have housemates . .
[05:22] <torist> the sshd_config is the server one
[05:22] <Jester45> lol
[05:22] <cryosphere> and one connection
[05:22] <somerville32> cryosphere, So there are multiple computers?
[05:22] <cryosphere> so we share this connection with a router
[05:23] <bigfuzzyjesus> #   Tunnel no
[05:23] <bigfuzzyjesus> #   TunnelDevice any:any
[05:23] <Jester45> cryosphere: he thought you have only one computer connected but YOU have 1
[05:23] <bigfuzzyjesus> #   PermitLocalCommand no
[05:23] <somerville32> gah
[05:23] <bigfuzzyjesus>     SendEnv LANG LC_*
[05:23] <cryosphere> well, yes, but they are no all mine
[05:23] <cryosphere> jester: right I understand now
[05:23] <cryosphere> *not
[05:23] <Jester45> cryosphere: could you barrow one?
[05:23] <cryosphere> i wish
[05:23] <Jester45> if your needing it for somthing
[05:23] <somerville32> Jester45, ...
[05:24] <Jester45> somerville32: what if they are home they might let him use it
[05:24] <somerville32> cryosphere, The issue is that your router is not leasing it an IP address
[05:24] <cryosphere> Jester: I don;t have access to one, but what whould you have me do
[05:24] <cryosphere> somer: right that makes sense
[05:24] <Spasticteapot> Hello, folks!
[05:24] <cryosphere> but
[05:24] <Jester45> somerville32: i wasnt talking about my "crtl alt del" trick
[05:24] <somerville32> Jester45, What is your ctrl+alt+del trick?
[05:24] <bigfuzzyjesus> torist, i dont have a sshd_config file in my directory
[05:24] <cryosphere> when I'm in windows (like right now) it seems to lease an IP just fine
[05:24] <Spasticteapot> I've just installed Xubuntu on my Thinkpad X40.
[05:24] <bigfuzzyjesus> Jester45, do tell
[05:24] <Jester45> cryosphere: i dont know you problem i just joined
[05:24] <somerville32> Spasticteapot, Awesome! :)
[05:24] <Spasticteapot> I may never see a Windows splash screen again.
[05:25] <torist> let me try removing that file (or changing name)
[05:25] <somerville32> Woot woot! :)
[05:25] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, good call
[05:25] <Spasticteapot> It's all the things I liked about OSX without most of the things I did'nt like.
[05:25] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, a think pad + linux, a winning combination
[05:26] <Spasticteapot> I could extole the virtues of the Thinkpad line all day, but you've doubtless heard it by now.
[05:26] <Spasticteapot> They're actually very inexpensive used - corporate fleets often dump laptops on eBay, and often include the residual warranty, which is usually between eight and fourteen months.
[05:26] <Spasticteapot> Coincidentally, because they're Thinkpads, they usually have'nt died before they get replaced.
[05:27] <Spasticteapot> Anyway, I was hoping to install Murrine.
[05:27] <Spasticteapot> I tried entering this in the terminal, to no effect:
[05:27] <Spasticteapot> sudo wget http://malteo.homelinux.net/B54820BC.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[05:27] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, im saving up for a refurb. r51 at the moment i had a 600 but the vid card failed, so i am doing just what you said, it is $500 i have 420
[05:27] <Spasticteapot> R51...I know that laptop.
[05:28] <Spasticteapot> Not as nice as the T-series, and somewhat heavy. Battery life and screen are good, though, and while not exactly up to the T4x line's quality, it's still very, very well built.
[05:28] <somerville32> I have a T-series in my closet ;]
[05:28] <Spasticteapot> I'm a laptop junkie. Sue me.
[05:29] <bigfuzzyjesus> somerville32, i hate you
[05:29] <somerville32> The battery is dead
[05:29] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, t series = too expensive for me, i am 15
[05:29] <bigfuzzyjesus> somerville32, so what
[05:29] <somerville32> and the lcd is cracked
[05:29] <somerville32> and I have no power cord for it anymore
[05:30] <Jester45> somerville32: connect it to a screen and well buy new cord
[05:30] <Spasticteapot> bigfuzzyjesus - I've seen a T41 with a 1.6ghz Pentium M, 512mb of RAM, a 40gb hard drive and an eight-month warranty get sold on eBay for a $430 buy-it-now.
[05:30] <Spasticteapot> Corporate liquidations are a marvellous thing, no?
[05:30] <somerville32> Jester45: I will some day
[05:31] <somerville32> It runs Windows ME
[05:31] <somerville32> So I'll have to install Xubuntu ASAP
[05:31] <somerville32> lol
[05:31] <ciscosurfer> anyone know if the latest Thunar will play well with Xubuntu Edgy?
[05:31] <somerville32> ciscosurfer, What do you mean?
[05:31] <somerville32> ciscosurfer, Don't manually upgrade anything - bad idea :P
[05:31] <Spasticteapot> As a side note to anyone wondering, I've owned a Dell, a HP/Compaq Evo (business-line) laptop, and an Apple. Apple machines are now made by ASUS (and are a better deal if you need a core 2 duo), but IBM is still even better.
[05:31] <ciscosurfer> apparently, there is a more recent version than what is in the repos
[05:32] <ciscosurfer> probably have to compile it
[05:32] <somerville32> ciscosurfer, Right
[05:32] <Spasticteapot> Bigfuzzyjesus - $430 is too expensive for you?
[05:32] <somerville32> ciscosurfer, Wait until they get uploaded to repos
[05:32] <somerville32> ciscosurfer, Or package it yourself :D
[05:32] <Spasticteapot> If you're looking to get it from overstock.com, don't bother - they don't provide a warranty from Lenovo. Not worth the hassle.
[05:32] <ciscosurfer> i usually do --and maybe I will...
[05:32] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, on ebay right now
[05:32] <Spasticteapot> Save your money.
[05:33] <Spasticteapot> I was on my second laptop at your age. Work results in cash, which results in good laptops.
[05:34] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, i work at red lobster
[05:34] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, have been saving my money :)
[05:34] <Jester45> ciscosurfer: if you can find a .deb would be the best way to upgrade right now but i would wait untill repos get it
[05:34] <Spasticteapot> I made $20/hr at your age.
[05:34] <Spasticteapot> Computer repair for the win!
[05:34] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, doing
[05:34] <Spasticteapot> Computer repair.
[05:34] <Spasticteapot> It pays better than selling drugs, if you're savvy enough.
[05:34] <ciscosurfer> Jester45: I'm going to do some further research, compile it myself, and possibly create my own package...
[05:34] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, lol my dad had his own business at 16
[05:35] <Spasticteapot> Ditto.
[05:35] <Spasticteapot> You know PCs, you know linux...start making money from what you know!
[05:35] <Commander-Crowe> does it cost money to call people from skype?
[05:35] <Spasticteapot> Only if they're recieving the call on a home telephone.
[05:35] <Spasticteapot> Skype-to-Skype is free.
[05:35] <Commander-Crowe> Spasticteapot, but thats normal anyways
[05:35] <Jester45> ciscosurfer: well repo version is lots more stable and built for xubuntu but if you need the upgrade then go ahead and you might want to back up your configs
[05:35] <cryosphere> commander: if you call skype users no, if you call to a phone numer in the US its 2.1 cents per min
[05:36] <Spasticteapot> bigfuzzyjesus - E-mail me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you'd like some help finding a decent laptop.
[05:36] <Spasticteapot> You're making the right choice with a thinkpad - they're much, much more durable than anything except perhaps the Panasonic Toughbook line.
[05:36] <Spasticteapot> And those both cost a mint and weigh a ton.
[05:36] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, yeah i already do :) my neighbors=pc illiterate
[05:37] <Jester45> umm
[05:37] <Spasticteapot> Consider, then, the other computer illiterate people on your block.
[05:37] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, i agree, my thinkpad 600 is a tank, but not heavy :)
[05:37] <Spasticteapot> GeekSquad charges $60/hr.
[05:37] <Spasticteapot> TP600?
[05:37] <Jester45> anyone know the power usage of copmuter parts wanna add a few things up?
[05:37] <Spasticteapot> Those are upgradable.
[05:37] <Spasticteapot> Sure, why not?
[05:37] <Spasticteapot> power usage of what?
[05:37] <bigfuzzyjesus> Jester45, there are cpu calcs online
[05:38] <bigfuzzyjesus> i will bbl
[05:38] <Spasticteapot> Yes, we get it.
[05:39] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, stay on please, i will be back in like 20 min and want to talk to you
[05:39] <Spasticteapot> Anyway, to be on topic...does anyone know how to bring up the battery management thingamajig under Xubuntu?
[05:39] <Spasticteapot> E-mail me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:40] <Spasticteapot> So....anyone know how to bring up power management in Xubuntu?
[05:40] <Commander-Crowe> Spasticteapot, it cost the people you call 2.1 cents a min?
[05:40] <Spasticteapot> I have no idea.
[05:40] <Spasticteapot> I think they have some sort of dollars-per-minute plan.
[05:41] <Spasticteapot> It might make more sense to use it at the 2.1cents/minute plan, though.
[05:41] <Spasticteapot> I don't think I use more than 500 minutes a month on my home phone, and long distance bites.
[05:41] <Jester45> i have 3 harddrive and 3 dvd drives a ipod charging ethernet card ati radeon 9250 soundblaster audio card 3 80mm fans a fan on vid card (~40mm) and poercessor fan Athlon 3200+ 2GHz
[05:42] <Spasticteapot> Wooah...slow down!
[05:42] <Jester45> any idea of power usage?
[05:42] <Spasticteapot> A hard drive is maybe 10 watts, roughly.
[05:42] <Spasticteapot> DVD drives only use power when they've got something spinning in them - otherwise, it's negligble.
[05:42] <Jester45> all 3 are going
[05:43] <Jester45> my computer is multi tasking :)
[05:43] <Jester45> and for the harddrive is 10w max?
[05:44] <Jester45> i think thats everything running from psu
[05:45] <Jester45> you there?
[05:46] <Jester45> !dididie
[05:46] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[05:46] <Jester45> guessnot
[05:46] <Spasticteapo1> Well, that was interesting.
[05:47] <bigfuzzyjesusawa> Jester45, google psu calc
[05:51] <Jester45> k
[05:51] <ciscosurfer> Jester45, somerville32: I have decided to hold off right now on compiling or packaging the new Thunar (which is at 0.8.0 right now)...it comes with the latest and greatest Xfce 4.4 ...hopefully, Xfce 4.4 will get backported from Feisty to be used in Edgy (providing they are intending on doing this...)
[05:56] <Spasticteapot> And I be back.
[05:56] <Spasticteapot> I do not like GAIM - anyokne know of a more Xchat-like IRC program for XFCE?
[05:56] <Spasticteapot> Xchat seems to be KDE-only.
[05:56] <somerville32> No
[05:56] <somerville32> Xchat is gtk+
[05:57] <somerville32> install the xchat package
[05:57] <somerville32> You need to enable universe repository though
[05:57] <Spasticteapot> D'oh!
[05:57] <somerville32> !repositories | Spasticteapo1
[05:57] <ubotwo> Spasticteapo1: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[05:58] <Spasticteapot> Thanks.
[05:58] <Jester45> Spasticteapot: most gnome/kde program will work with xfce unless they are part of kde/gnome
[05:59] <Spasticteapot> Ah.
[05:59] <Jester45> like i dont think the kde control center works
[05:59] <Spasticteapot> Does anyone know how to get at the ACPI settings manager under Xubunutu?
[05:59] <Jester45> it does slow you system down to isntall gnome/kde apps
[05:59] <Spasticteapot> I really, really need to be able to suspend.
[05:59] <Spasticteapot> (Thankfully, I bought a Thinkpad anticipating this.)
[06:00] <Spasticteapot> Anyone?
[06:01] <Spasticteapot> Buhler?
[06:01] <Spasticteapot> Buhler?
[06:01] <Spasticteapot> Buhler?
[06:01] <Jester45> nope
[06:01] <Spasticteapot> (sorry, could'nt resist bad joke.)
[06:01] <Jester45> it kinda died in here
[06:02] <Jester45> im going to die also
[06:03] <somerville32> Spasticteapot, I've never seen an ACPI settings manager
[06:03] <phlasphy_> somerville32: i am sorry for the way i acted last time i was here
[06:04] <somerville32> phlasphy_, haha, it's ok. I can't really remember.
[06:04] <phlasphy_> ok
[06:04] <phlasphy_> i got a 360
[06:04] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot: yay your still here, are you in xubuntu-offtopic
[06:04] <phlasphy_> and have not been online since
[06:05] <bigfuzzyjesus> :(
[06:08] <phlasphy_> ohh no
[06:09] <phlasphy_> stupid pc and its stripped screw
[06:09] <phlasphy_> just where the 160GB HDD is
[06:10] <phlasphy_> :(
[06:10] <phlasphy_> any idea how i can get the HDD out?
[06:10] <Spasticteapot> Out of what?
[06:11] <phlasphy_> well the hdd is stuck in my PC because the screw holding it in is stripped
[06:11] <mauterin> sorry to join conversation late, anyone load xfce 4.4.0?
[06:11] <redwyrm> How do I change my laptop's lid close behavior under Xubuntu?
[06:11] <somerville32> Xfce 4.4.0 will be uploaded to Feisty this week
[06:12] <Spasticteapot> No idea.
[06:12] <Spasticteapot> Whee.
[06:12] <Spasticteapot> Anyone here know how to bring up power management under Xubuntu?
[06:14] <somerville32> <.<
[06:14] <somerville32> >.>
[06:17] <redwyrm> phlasphy_, isn't brute forcing the only option?
[06:17] <redwyrm> since the screws are stripped...
[06:17] <phlasphy_> only 1 is stripped
[06:17] <phlasphy_> all the rest are out bar 1
[06:17] <phlasphy_> but it still has the mainbord in it
[06:17] <redwyrm> hmm, you could use superglue to attach the head of the screw to something
[06:17] <redwyrm> and then pull that something
[06:18] <phlasphy_> i doubt that would work
[06:19] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Nuke it from orbit.  It's the only way to be sure.
[06:19] <redwyrm> maybe slip something under the head
[06:19] <phlasphy_> i am about to try that :)
[06:19] <redwyrm> so you have some leverage to pull it out
[06:20] <phlasphy_> i mean the head of the screw will not take a screw driver
[06:20] <phlasphy_> it just slips
[06:20] <phlasphy_> i doubt i could rip a screw up
[06:24] <bigfuzzyjesus_> hey cellofellow
[06:24] <redwyrm> phlasphy_, is the data on that HDD backed up to another device?
[06:24] <phlasphy_> no
[06:24] <phlasphy_> all my music
[06:25] <redwyrm> I have some ideas to get the HDD out, but you wouldn't want to do any of them before backing up...
[06:25] <cellofellow> hey bigfuzzyjesus
[06:26] <cellofellow> Why is getting Midi to output to PCM so hard?
[06:26] <cellofellow> from programs like NoteEdit
[06:26] <cellofellow> softsyths, yuck.
[06:26] <Spastic_teapot> Hello?
[06:26] <Spastic_teapot> Anyone here know how to get ACPI to work?
[06:26] <Spastic_teapot> I don't get the battery anager icon.
[06:27] <cellofellow> maybe the battery manager applet isn't in the panel.
[06:27] <bigfuzzyjesus_> Spastic_teapot: hello :)
[06:30] <cellofellow> anybody know how to get csound in denemo working? so my Mom can playback the stuff she writes and arranges in it? Or MIDI output in NoteEdit.
[06:31] <somerville32> !midi
[06:31] <ubotu> Trouble playing MIDI files? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[06:31] <cellofellow> that should help
[06:31] <cellofellow> but this is something that I wish would just work.
[06:32] <cellofellow> (Gee, cellofellow found something in Linux that works not quiet the way it should. Hasn't had that happen before.)
[06:35] <spasticteapot> I dunno.  :O
[06:36] <cellofellow> yeah, I guess.
[06:36] <spasticteapot> I used SonicFoundry's Acid back in the day.
[06:36] <aktee> in the MS Windows day? =)
[06:37] <spasticteapot> Yep.
[06:37] <aktee> I used Reason..
[06:37] <cellofellow> My mom uses NoteWorthy Composer on Windows and will not switch till I have a very good alternative.
[06:37] <spasticteapot> Now I'm in the good-gravy-where's-the-battery-status-icon days.
[06:37] <aktee> ahahahahaa
[06:37] <spasticteapot> Reason....you're a Mac junkie I take it?
[06:37] <aktee> no ! I love mac hardware tho
[06:37] <cellofellow> NoteEdit looks promising but it needs to playback, and possibly record from MIDI.
[06:37] <spasticteapot> There is a very good alternative...WINE!
[06:37] <aktee> Wine support reason?
[06:38] <spasticteapot> No, for NoteWorthy.
[06:38] <aktee> ohhh
[06:38] <aktee> ahahaha
[06:38] <spasticteapot> And, if all else fails, Cedega.
[06:38] <aktee> that's what I thought
[06:38] <spasticteapot> Anyone here tried running Linux on a laptop?
[06:38] <redwyrm> spasticteapot, right-click on the top panel
[06:38] <cellofellow> WIne should work for NoteWorthy on editing, but I dunno about playback and MIDI in.
[06:38] <spasticteapot> Yah?
[06:38] <spasticteapot> Why?
[06:39] <redwyrm> click "Add New Item"
[06:39] <redwyrm> and select Battery Monitor
[06:39] <spasticteapot> Gotcha.
[06:39] <spasticteapot> Thanks.
[06:40] <spasticteapot> Does anyone know where I can get the ibm-acpi packages?
[06:40] <redwyrm> np
[06:40] <spasticteapot> Or how to get an ACPI manager?
[06:40] <cellofellow> !acpi
[06:40] <ubotu> acpi: displays information on ACPI devices. In component main, is optional. Version 0.09-1 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 72 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 amd64)
[06:40] <cellofellow> :(
[06:40] <cellofellow> !power
[06:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about power - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:40] <aktee> for IBM specifically?
[06:40] <spasticteapot> It's a package.
[06:40] <cellofellow> !BLASTED BOT
[06:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about BLASTED BOT - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:40] <spasticteapot> I know that....
[06:40] <aktee> hey
[06:41] <aktee> is it a thinkpad
[06:41] <spasticteapot> Yup.
[06:41] <aktee> acuse there's ThinkWiki
[06:41] <spasticteapot> X40.
[06:41] <aktee> the website for Thinkpad installing linux
[06:41] <spasticteapot> I know - they said "download ibm-acpi".
[06:41] <aktee> apt-get doesnt work? :O
[06:41] <aktee> nope, doesnt work..
[06:41] <aktee> hmm
[06:42] <cellofellow> !ibm-acpi
[06:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ibm-acpi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:42] <cellofellow> !info ibm-acpi
[06:42] <ubotu> Package ibm-acpi does not exist in any distro I know
[06:42] <cellofellow> that's the problem
[06:42] <aktee> The module ibm_acpi comes with dapper.
[06:42] <aktee> Try "lsmod |grep ibm" to find out if its loaded.
[06:42] <aktee> If not use "modprobe ibm_acpi" to load it.
[06:42] <spasticteapot> Well, here's some stuff on ACPI under Linux.
[06:42] <spasticteapot> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_make_ACPI_work
[06:42] <spasticteapot> And I can't make heads nor tails of it.
[06:43] <cellofellow> try sudo modprobe ibm_acpi in a terminal
[06:44] <bigfuzzyjesus> spasticteapot: so have you used a t41?
[06:45] <aktee> look for the Debian package
[06:45] <aktee> and DPKG -i it
[06:45] <aktee> http://ibm-acpi.sourceforge.net/
[06:45] <aktee> Tadaaaaa
[06:45] <cellofellow> dpkg, not DPKG
[06:46] <cellofellow> this is NOT DOS, files are case-sensitive
[06:46] <aktee> my bad :)
[06:46] <aktee> dpkg -i * it
[06:46] <aktee> :)
[06:46] <aktee> ionno it looked better, don't you think? :)
[06:47] <somerville32> :)
[06:47] <cellofellow> put qoutes around commands or something. "sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[06:47] <cellofellow> "
[06:47] <aktee> bah.. hahahaha
[06:47] <aktee> so, how long u been a linux user?
[06:48] <cellofellow> me? About 6 months or so. Dinked around with liveCD's about a year.
[06:48] <aktee> just got installed a week ago. I'm stuck in a few places :O
[06:48] <spasticteapot> No good.
[06:48] <cellofellow> :(
[06:48] <spasticteapot> Me? No.
[06:48] <spasticteapot> Seen a few, though. Top-notch quality.
[06:49] <spasticteapot> The head of purchasing for a multi-billion-dollar company strongly reccomended it after owning one, though.
[06:49] <spasticteapot> Technically, the ex-head-of-sales for CDW.
[06:49] <cellofellow> Sorry, I'm no help on package management.
[06:49] <aktee> hmm..
[06:49] <cellofellow> I meant power management
[06:49] <aktee> but hey, it says that it's already in the kernel
[06:49] <cellofellow> package management on the other hand I love.
[06:50] <cellofellow> if it's in the kernel then no modules to lsmod or modprobe
[06:50] <cellofellow> kernel modules are sort of like plugins
[06:51] <redwyrm> computers should say "I hope you know what you're doing!" more often...
[06:52] <Spastic_teapot> Well, that was interesting.
[06:52] <Spastic_teapot> Stupid wifi...
[06:52] <aktee> LOL
[06:52] <Spastic_teapot> On a seperate note, does anyone know how to access an external USB hard drive?
[06:52] <Spastic_teapot> What?
[06:52] <aktee> usb hard drive..
[06:52] <aktee> hmm
[06:52] <Spastic_teapot> It's not showing up on my desktop.
[06:52] <Spastic_teapot> Sue me. I have a laptop.
[06:53] <redwyrm> Spastic_teapot, on Xubuntu Edgy, I just plug it in, and an icon shows up on the desktop
[06:53] <aktee> thinkpad are really good
[06:53] <Spastic_teapot> No worky.
[06:53] <aktee> try detecting
[06:53] <aktee> if linux sees the driev
[06:53] <aktee> with hm...
[06:53] <aktee> "lsusb" i think
[06:53] <redwyrm> also you could try "dmesg | tail"
[06:53] <aktee> cool i'll write that down. (damn linux is fun)
[06:54] <Spastic_teapot> I tried lsusb..no good.
[06:55] <aktee> hmmmmmmm....
[06:55] <aktee> try another usb port? :S !
[06:55] <aktee> try restarting while ext-hdd is plugged? :S.. mine detects automatically
[06:59] <aktee> hey peeps
[06:59] <aktee> anyone has trouble with Logitech USB Headset?
[07:00] <Spastic_teapot> Stupid cheap USB to IDE adapter.
[07:00] <Spastic_teapot> Should've bought a better one.
[07:00] <Spastic_teapot> Anyone here?
[07:00] <aktee> sup
[07:00] <Spastic_teapot> anyone?
[07:00] <aktee> sudo fdisk -l
[07:00] <aktee> and
[07:00] <aktee> cat /etc/fstab
[07:00] <aktee> copy and paste :O
[07:00] <aktee> the output
[07:15] <yotux> has anyone ever install vmware under xubuntu
[07:26] <cellofellow> apt... hogging... all... bandwidth.... Lag... very... high....
[07:39] <cryosphere> hey
[07:40] <cryosphere> is you want to help me connect xubuntu to the internet look at http://pastebin.com/864733
[07:40] <ciscosurfer> Anyone know of a good TV tuner card to use with ubuntu?
[07:41] <cellofellow> check v4l's compatibility stuff.
[07:42] <ciscosurfer> that's video for linux?
[07:42] <ciscosurfer> where would I look?
[07:42] <cellofellow> :(
[07:42] <cellofellow> dunno
[07:43] <neozen> ......what is question?
[07:43] <cellofellow> if it all works out you'll have a /dev/video0 file to play, but some cards work and some don't.
[07:43] <cellofellow> !google
[07:43] <ubotu> Google is a very popular search engine: http://www.google.com  -  Google also has a Linux-specific search engine: http://google.com/linux
[07:43] <cellofellow> should help
[07:44] <Commander-Crowe> cryosphere, I figured it out
[07:44] <Commander-Crowe> cryosphere, it isn't getting an IP from your DHCP router/modem/server
[07:44] <cryosphere> commander: this is true, BUT how do I take care of this
[07:45] <Commander-Crowe> dhcpd
[07:45] <Commander-Crowe> see what it says
[07:45] <cryosphere> man it?
[07:45] <Commander-Crowe> also you might have to manually do it
[07:45] <cryosphere> sucks
[07:45] <cryosphere> ok
[07:45] <neozen> v4l: http://linux.bytesex.org/v4l2/
[07:49] <cryosphere> commander: i looked up dhcpd - I can see how I can test if my configuration is working
[07:49] <cryosphere> but otherwise I have no idea what to do
[07:49] <Commander-Crowe> ok
[07:49] <Commander-Crowe> you in xubuntu right?
[07:49] <cryosphere> yeap
[07:49] <cryosphere> NOPE
[07:49] <cryosphere> sorry
[07:49] <Commander-Crowe> nope?
[07:49] <Commander-Crowe> what are you in?
[07:50] <cryosphere> I can't getonline in xubuntu
[07:50] <cryosphere> windows
[07:50] <Commander-Crowe> oh
[07:50] <neozen> .......bummer
[07:50] <Commander-Crowe> switch over
[07:50] <cryosphere> same machine
[07:50] <cryosphere> well
[07:50] <cryosphere> HA
[07:50] <cryosphere> I can't connect and chat
[07:50] <cryosphere> once I do that
[07:50] <Commander-Crowe> open menu > other > networking and set up manually your settings including your gateway and your DNS, don't forget to get your info the same as in windows.
[07:51] <cryosphere> ok, I think its already set to that
[07:51] <cryosphere> but I get I can switch over and double check
[07:51] <cryosphere> *get__> guesss
[07:51] <Commander-Crowe> ok
[07:52] <ciscosurfer> Anyone know if Xfce 4.4 will be/or is already in Feisty?
[07:53] <Commander-Crowe> ciscosurfer, it is
[07:54] <ciscosurfer> Commander-Crowe: version <IP_ADDRESS> is, but I'm wondering about 4.4
[07:54] <ciscosurfer> Commander-Crowe: correctioni, version <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:56] <Commander-Crowe> ciscosurfer, fyi <IP_ADDRESS> = 4.4 :)
[07:57] <Commander-Crowe> or rather <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:57] <Commander-Crowe> but now its jsut 4.4 seeing it came out today
[07:57] <ciscosurfer> I belive it's actually Beta 2 of v4.4
[07:58] <ciscosurfer> anyway, many apps are upgraded, Thunar for example will actually be at v0.8.0 -- in Feisty they will use 0.5.0 and in Edgy (currently) they use Thunar 0.4.1svn-r23151
[08:00] <Commander-Crowe> ciscosurfer, give it a week and all will be updated
[08:00] <ciscosurfer> Commander-Crowe: sounds good to me :-D
[08:00] <ciscosurfer> Commander-Crowe: thanks
[08:02] <Commander-Crowe> no problem
[10:59] <cisa> hi
[11:02] <cisa> i installed ubuntu from live-cd. then added kubuntu-desktop. now i want to install xubuntu-desktop too. are there any known problems?
[12:18] <TheSheep> the new xfce looks yummy!
[12:19] <totalwormage> for feisty? :]
[12:19] <TheSheep> totalwormage: yes
[12:19] <TheSheep> totalwormage: not packaged yet, just released today
[12:20] <TheSheep> totalwormage: see xfce.org, they gave the site a liftu up too
[12:20] <totalwormage> sweeeet
[12:20] <totalwormage> ah, that is good news
[12:21] <TheSheep> http://www.xfce.org/images/about/screenshots/4.4-2.png
[12:21] <TheSheep> haha, Vista :D
[12:22] <totalwormage> whooowwww that site looks good
[12:23] <totalwormage> :D
[12:49] <darrend_laptop> ssh bacall
[12:49] <darrend_laptop> oops
[12:49] <darrend_laptop> :)
[01:24] <Maximilian1st> Hi.
[01:24] <Maximilian1st> Is ther a way to switch users like in macosx?
[01:34] <gpocentek> Maximilian1st: you can log in as a new user in a tty and run 'startx -- :1', then switch with ctrl+alt+{f7,f9}
[01:34] <gpocentek> but there's no non-geeky way
[01:35] <Maximilian1st> gpocentek, The geeky side is the CLI? It's ok for me.
[01:36] <gpocentek> great :)
[01:36] <Maximilian1st> By the way. Will feisty come with avahi by default? I switched to using ifplugd and wpa_supplicant...
[01:38] <gpocentek> we already have avahi in feisty IIRC
[01:38] <gpocentek> but I haven't really looked at that
[01:39] <Maximilian1st> Yes avahi installs by default.
[01:41] <Maximilian1st> gpocentek, Is it possible to set a different locale for a different user? Say, user A has english and user B has italian?
[01:41] <gpocentek> Maximilian1st: yes it's possible, I do this with gdm
[01:41] <gpocentek> but I need to find how this can be done in an other way
[01:55] <Maximilian1st> gpocentek, The 'startx -- :1' works like a charm :-) THX so much, this will ease the translation of Xfce in French!
[01:58] <gpocentek> Maximilian1st: :)
[01:59] <Maximilian1st> gpocentek, I have another question. What about the locales for each every user? Is locale system wide or can I just hack in the profile of the user itself?
[01:59] <gpocentek> you can 'export LANG=your_local'
[02:00] <gpocentek> for each user
[02:31] <willuminate> Maximilian1st: it's poisonpotion here
[02:31] <Maximilian1st> You drank it, died and now you are another person?
[02:32] <willuminate> hahaha
[02:32] <willuminate> i posted my problem in the forum, but nobody seems to be ble to help
[02:32] <willuminate> i posted my problem in #ubuntu, and all i get is an RTFA in ubuntu wifi howto
[02:32] <Maximilian1st> does not work either
[02:32] <Maximilian1st> oops
[02:33] <willuminate> if this continues, I'm thinking of changing distros, or try freebsd
[02:34] <Maximilian1st> willuminate, This is up to you.
[02:34] <Maximilian1st> What was your problem? something to do with wireless...
[02:34] <TheSheep> willuminate: the more you try, the more likely you are going to find something that suits you
[02:35] <willuminate> Maximilian1st: well yeah, but it's a last resort thing. I really don't like to just move arund like that
[02:35] <Maximilian1st> Hey TheSheep :-)
[02:35] <TheSheep> hey Maximilian1st
[02:35] <TheSheep> Maximilian1st: seen the new xfce.org site yet? :)
[02:35] <Maximilian1st> Yep, is nice.
[02:35] <TheSheep> Tango all over
[02:35] <TheSheep> I wonder why they didn't use their defualt xfce icons XD
[02:36] <Maximilian1st> #xfce
[02:36] <Maximilian1st> willuminate, How far are you with your problem. What works, what doesn't
[02:37] <Maximilian1st> TheSheep, I just tried the installer and it works very good, just mixed up my font size but appart of that it's good.
[02:37] <Maximilian1st> apart from that...
[02:39] <willuminate> Maximilian1st: i pinpointed the problem that at startup, xubuntu always puts eth0 as priority and won't give it up, until i ifdown eth0 or ifconfig eth0 down. Now ath0 has always been up, but somehow can't refresh automatically, so i have to ifdown and ifup it again to release & renew the ip
[02:39] <TheSheep> Maximilian1st: put Xft.dpi: 96 into your Xft.xrdb file
[02:40] <willuminate> now i wonder if there's something i can do to make xubuntu prioritise ath0 over eth0
[02:40] <TheSheep> willuminate: edit /etc/network/interfaces
[02:40] <TheSheep> willuminate: or /etc/iftab
[02:40] <willuminate> TheSheep: what do i put in it? i've been toying around with it since yesterday
[02:41] <willuminate> hold on i'll send u the url for my forum post
[02:41] <Maximilian1st> TheSheep, locate can't find this file... Is it supposed to be in my home folder? /etc?
[02:41] <willuminate> TheSheep:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=343555&page=2
[02:41] <TheSheep>  ~/.config/xfce4/Xft.xrdb
[02:42] <TheSheep> Maximilian1st: it's created by the User Interface Settings
[02:42] <willuminate> my /etc/iftab looks normal. There's an ath0 mac entry and there's the eth0 one
[02:44] <TheSheep> willuminate: ok, it seems there are quite some people helping you already on that forum
[02:44] <TheSheep> willuminate: you need a little more patience :)
[02:48] <willuminate> TheSheep: he called me a write-only, of course i'm offended  }:(
[02:49] <wurstfleisch> http://www.fmv.ulg.ac.be/oga/images/chap01/dia1793.jpg
[02:49] <wurstfleisch> whats that`
[02:49] <wurstfleisch> ?
[02:50] <willuminate> wurstfleisch: to me it looks like some sort of carnivore plant, or starfish-type thing?
[02:52] <TheSheep> wurstfleisch: to me it looks like something completely off topic here
[02:53] <wurstfleisch> oh :)
[02:56] <willuminate> wurstfleisch: what is it?
[02:57] <wurstfleisch> female goatse?
[02:57] <wurstfleisch> i have no idea
[02:57] <wurstfleisch> :D
[02:57] <willuminate> lol
[03:09] <Maximilian1st> willuminate, Are you still there?
[03:10] <willuminate> yes sir
[03:10] <Maximilian1st> I am pretty much surprised nobody pointed out the ifplugd app.
[03:10] <Maximilian1st> Do you know about it?
[03:11] <willuminate> nope, what is it?
[03:32] <Maximilian1st> willuminate, Still there?
[03:54] <grazie> !jester45
[03:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jester45 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:03] <Maximilian1st> willuminate, Did you check ifplugd?
[04:04] <willuminate> yeah
[04:04] <willuminate> installed it, but still no avail
[04:04] <Maximilian1st> Could that be something for your computer?
[04:04] <Maximilian1st> Did you configure it? in /etc/default/ifplugd?
[04:05] <Maximilian1st> Is it your laptop you are installing or desktop?
[04:05] <Maximilian1st> desktop...
[04:05] <Maximilian1st> and you have windows on the laptop...
[04:05] <Maximilian1st> Right?
[04:05] <Maximilian1st> willuminate,
[04:05] <willuminate> yeah
[04:06] <willuminate> ok hold on, i'll open the config file
[04:06] <Maximilian1st> Is the wire always connected to it?
[04:06] <willuminate> nay, the desktop only has wireless to connect, the wired one isn't connected
[04:07] <willuminate> ok, what should i put in the interfaces=""
[04:07] <Maximilian1st> in the INTERFACES="" place you should put eth0 inside
[04:07] <Maximilian1st> I also have ath0 because I use a laptop.
[04:08] <Maximilian1st> But since you will always be using your wireless card, don't put it there.
[04:08] <Maximilian1st> either way, you could put it there also...
[04:08] <Maximilian1st> INTERFACES="eth0 ath0"
[04:09] <willuminate> does it matter which one's first?
[04:09] <Maximilian1st> I don't think so...
[04:10] <willuminate> what should i put in the hotplug interfaces=""
[04:10] <Maximilian1st> hotplug interfaces is for pcmcia network cards or usb net cards...
[04:11] <Maximilian1st> you should now restart your network daemons.
[04:11] <Maximilian1st> or reboot
[04:11] <kumamoto> talking about hotplug how to check and make sure it is enabled?
[04:11] <Maximilian1st> ...
[04:11] <Maximilian1st> willuminate, You also need to go for a walk and thhink about something else.
[04:12] <Maximilian1st> willuminate, really, this helps...
[04:12] <Maximilian1st> willuminate, do you have avahi installed? And remind me your version of xubuntu please.
[04:13] <willuminate> Maximilian1st: i'm using edgy
[04:13] <Maximilian1st> willuminate, avahi installed?
[04:13] <willuminate> hold on, restarting
[04:14] <Maximilian1st> willuminate, what weather do you have in Australia? And what time? is it 2am?
[04:15] <willuminate> yeah 2am
[04:15] <willuminate> it's a very very hot summer
[04:15] <willuminate> avahi-daemon is installed
[04:18] <willuminate> it's a bit alte to walk around
[04:18] <willuminate> i just diverted my attention to military watches
[04:19] <Maximilian1st> You should be in a horizontal position now and let all that go through your mind and have a clearer view tomorrow morning. But hey... Who am I to tell you this?!
[04:20] <SoulChild> hey... how can i install an i686 kernel?
[04:20] <willuminate> naaah, i think u're probably right
[04:20] <willuminate> i should go to sleep
[04:20] <SoulChild> !kernel
[04:20] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[04:20] <willuminate> have some css to code in the morning
[04:21] <willuminate> well, thanks heaps for your trouble Maximilian1st
[04:21] <willuminate> see ya
[04:21] <SoulChild> arrrghhhh#
[04:32] <mynameisdeleted> time wget  -O /dev/null http://okser.net/xubuntu/edgy/release/xubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso
[04:32] <mynameisdeleted> --10:31:21--  http://okser.net/xubuntu/edgy/release/xubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso
[04:32] <mynameisdeleted>            => `/dev/null'
[04:32] <mynameisdeleted> Resolving okser.net... <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:32] <mynameisdeleted> Connecting to okser.net|<IP_ADDRESS>|:80... connected.
[04:32] <mynameisdeleted> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
[04:32] <mynameisdeleted> Length: 553,748,480 (528M) [application/x-iso9660-image]
[04:32] <mynameisdeleted> 100%[[04:32] <mynameisdeleted> 10:31:35 (39.06 MB/s) - `/dev/null' saved [553748480/553748480]
[04:32] <mynameisdeleted> real    0m13.606s
[04:32] <mynameisdeleted> user    0m0.065s
[04:32] <mynameisdeleted> sys     0m0.470s
[04:32] <mynameisdeleted> [root@hsp023 ~] #
[04:33] <mynameisdeleted> that mirror fast enough?
[04:33] <mynameisdeleted> 13.6 seconds to download a full 553MB iso image?
[04:37] <kumamoto> damn how much bandwidth do u have there u mynameisdeleted?
[04:38] <TheSheep> !pastebin | mynameisdeleted
[04:38] <ubotu> mynameisdeleted: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:39] <kumamoto> yeah pastebin mr. mynameisdeleted ?
[04:54] <blizz> hello hello..
[04:55] <mynameisdeleted> hi
[04:55] <mynameisdeleted> I'm supposed to have 1gbps internet each way
[04:55] <blizz> does herd 2 of feisty fawn include xfce 4.4?
[04:55] <blizz> or better: am i able to update to 4.4 from ff herd 2?
[04:56] <gabkdlly> blizz: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[04:57] <gabkdlly> doesn't look like it
[04:57] <mynameisdeleted> with extra drives on my server and a client that is non-pci based I bet I can get close to 1gbps  or 90MB/s download
[04:58] <PuMpErNiCkLe> blizz: It should have it soon.
[04:58] <blizz> gabkdlly, thanks for the link -- im new to ubuntu, didnt know it had such decent distribution-grouepd browsing :)
[04:58] <blizz> PuMpErNiCkLe, yep, i think that too as xfce 4.4 has been released today
[04:58] <blizz> or.. yesterday
[05:00] <blizz> how about weisswurst :-)
[05:01] <weisswurst> :P
[05:03] <SoulChild> my xubunut boots in only 34 seconds... juhu ... :D
[05:03] <weisswurst> where to download xubunut?
[05:03] <weisswurst> :D
[05:04] <TheSheep> weisswurst: from xubuntu.org
[05:04] <SoulChild> weisswurst, hehe der war gut ;)
[05:04] <SoulChild> weisswurst, man macht sich nicht ber tippfehler anderer lustig
[05:05] <weisswurst> ich bin aber nicht man
[05:05] <icheyne> !de
[05:05] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[05:05] <SoulChild> weisswurst, du findest wortwitze wohl ziehmlich komisch ne ;)
[05:05] <TheSheep> weisswurst: just a one kick away, consider yourself warned
[05:05] <Pekke> !fi
[05:05] <ubotu> Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[05:06] <SoulChild> !ku
[05:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ku - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:06] <SoulChild> mmm no kurdisch ???
[05:06] <SoulChild> !tr
[05:06] <ubotu> Turk ubuntu kullanicilari, turkce yardim yada geyik icin #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde.
[05:06] <TheSheep> !botabuse | SoulChild
[05:06] <ubotu> SoulChild: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[05:06] <SoulChild> TheSheep, sorry
[05:06] <TheSheep> :)
[05:07] <TheSheep> SoulChild: you can /msg him too
[05:07] <icheyne> SoulChild, or search at the web factoids database
[05:09] <fleischwurst> re
[05:09] <fleischwurst> :p
[05:11] <icheyne> http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl
[05:11] <fleischwurst> whats that?
[05:12] <icheyne> the Ubotu factoids database
[05:17] <Pekke> i had my pcmcia wlan card up and working, until i accidentally re-installed apmd package. After that it has not been working so well anymore. it keeps losing the connection often. what might be reason for that / what did the apm re-installing do...?
[05:19] <wurstmann> whats apm?
[05:20] <Pekke> advanced power management tool etc...
[05:21] <mynameisdeleted> I managed to make my mirror bandwidht spike to 110megabytes per second
[05:21] <mynameisdeleted> almost a full gigabit
[05:21] <blizz> crap, now i need a cdrom drive to install xubuntu :-)
[05:23] <TheSheep> blizz: not necessarily
[05:24] <blizz> w00t! PXE?
[05:24] <TheSheep> !install | blizz
[05:24] <ubotu> blizz: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[05:25] <TheSheep> blizz: just make a server install and then apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[05:25] <blizz> thanks
[05:46] <ardya> does xubuntu use the same packages as ubuntu?
[05:49] <apokryphos> yes
[06:56] <Pekke> Hi! why does networking restart say ra0: unknown hardware address type 802?
[06:56] <Pekke> it's a pcmcia wlan card...
[06:56] <Pekke> is the problem with the pcmcia driverm or with the wlan card driver...?
[07:03] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:08] <Commander-Crowe> slooooooooooooooooooooow motion
[07:08] <Commander-Crowe> nice song
[07:15] <blizz> very nice.. installed xubuntu on my box and switched to nvidia drivers.. but i get "the configuration could not be loaded - youre not allowed to access the system configuration" when clicking on stuff like useR/group management and such
[07:15] <blizz> no sudo popup appears - should it?
[07:16] <somerville32> blizz: Known issue with a chance to gnome system tools
[07:16] <somerville32> blizz: Before, the application would launch and then you'd use your password to commit changes
[07:16] <somerville32> Now you must be root to even run the applications
[07:17] <somerville32> (without this other fix that xubuntu system tools doesn't have yet or something)
[07:17] <blizz> oh.. i see
[07:17] <blizz> so i'll run them from the commandline then
[07:17] <blizz> and wait for an update :-)
[07:17] <somerville32> And so a work around is to modify the menu entry and append it with gksudo or run from the command line
[07:17] <somerville32> :)
[07:17] <blizz> ahh, nice
[07:21] <blizz> thanks :D using them from the commandline now
[07:54] <somerville32> Whats a good program for interfacing with a cellphone?
[07:54] <Commander-Crowe> hrm
[07:57] <b9anders> Hi, I am a complete newbie to linux, having just installed xubuntu today. I have been trying to set up network browsing via this guide:
[07:57] <b9anders> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131
[07:58] <b9anders> only,  I apparently don't have the permissions to create a new directory in the media folder. how do I change that?
[07:59] <TheSheep> b9anders: add 'sudo' before the command
[08:00] <b9anders> err, I I don't even know how to create a directory in the terminal. writing in code is new to me
[08:02] <somerville32> What directory do you want to create in /media ?
[08:02] <b9anders> just a 'network'  folder
[08:03] <somerville32> press alt+f2
[08:03] <somerville32> and type: gksudo mkdir /media/network
[08:03] <somerville32> then click ok
[08:04] <b9anders> cheers.
[08:20] <b9anders> this is probably blindingly obvious, but I am also trying to configure my asus special keys etc. with the acpi4asus-0.32. the readme file says first:
[08:20] <b9anders> 2. Compilation
[08:20] <b9anders>   For the impatient, simply type make in the top level directory of the
[08:20] <b9anders>   package, everything should be compiled fine.
[08:20] <b9anders> and for installation:
[08:21] <b9anders> "For the impatient, simply type "make install" in the top level directory of  the package. The kernel module will be installed in   /lib/modules/2.X.XX/kernel/drivers/acpi, and the daemon in /usr/local/bin."
[08:21] <b9anders> How exactly do I access the top level directory of the package? I am assuming I can't just write it in the address line in thunar
[08:36] <kennell> How do i reduce the Number of Desktops ?
[08:36] <kennell> from 4 to -> 2
[08:37] <TheSheep> kennell: settings->workspaces settings
[08:39] <kennell> Thanks ...
[08:40] <kennell> and how do i get a Kopete, Konverstaion (or any other App) Icon on the upper Bar
[08:40] <kennell> ?
[08:40] <kennell> i can only get "Group" (e.g. "Network") Icons
[08:40] <TheSheep> right click on the bar, select 'add new item', then from the l;ist select launcher
[08:40] <TheSheep> then in the box type 'kopete'
[08:42] <kennell> Thanks again!
[08:43] <kennell> (im using Linux/(X)Ubuntu since yesterday ... totaly newb)
[08:43] <TheSheep> kennell: feel free to ask about anything you have trouble with :)
[08:44] <kennell> Uhm, well is there a IRC-Channel for German Users?
[08:45] <kennell> I saw some Germanchannels for regular (K)Ubuntu
[08:45] <TheSheep> !de
[08:45] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:46] <kennell> Thanks again! One more Question: how do i ehm you know "mark" Files with the Mous
[08:46] <kennell> Mouse
[08:46] <kumamoto> is it me doesn't firefox seem to crap out on too many tabs open
[08:46] <kennell> you know Pull it over ...
[08:47] <TheSheep> kennell: it doesn't work on the desktop -- either open your Desktop directory in Thunar, and do it there, or hold down ctrl when clicking an icon -- then you can select multiple ones
[08:48] <kennell> Ah well, thats not too bad... on Ubuntu/Kubuntu its seems to work ... well anyway i like XFCE more
[08:48] <somerville32> :)
[08:48] <kennell> less Mainstream, and doesnt use as mutch Ressources as Gnome/KDE
[08:48] <TheSheep> kennell: originally xfce didn't have icons on the desktop at all, they have been added pretty recently
[08:49] <kennell> Oh ok ...
[08:49] <TheSheep> they can still act up sometimes
[08:49] <kennell> even my System is brandnew and could handle Gnome/KDE easly ....
[08:49] <TheSheep> especially in large sizes
[08:49] <kennell> not that bad ;)
[08:49] <TheSheep> kennell: a lot of people use xfce on new boxes -- it's just more comfortable for them
[08:50] <kennell> So, and whitch Audio/Video Player would you select (should play .mp3 and other Non-Free Formats like .wma ....)
[08:52] <TheSheep> !mp3
[08:52] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:53] <TheSheep> kennell: personally I use mpd and I love it -- it has command line control via mpc and a lot of pretty graphical front ends -- I recently use pympd
[08:53] <TheSheep> kennell: mpd runs as a daemon -- that means that it starts playing when you boot, before you even log in, and keeps playing when you logout
[08:54] <TheSheep> kennell: it can also be controlled from another computer via network
[08:54] <TheSheep> kennell: for movies, I use mplayer and vlc.
[08:55] <kennell> hm yeah i know VLC from Windows
[08:56] <TheSheep> most good linux applications get ported to windows sooner or later :)
[08:57] <kennell> Acctualy im w8ting for Win -> Linux Ports
[08:57] <kennell> Photoshop :)
[08:58] <TheSheep> gimp's better
[08:58] <TheSheep> kennell: google maps and picasa got "ported" to linux
[08:59] <kennell> Sorry, but GIMP is nothing compared with Photoshop
[08:59] <TheSheep> kennell: that is, they removed enough hacked code that the programs can be run in a windows emulator on linux
[08:59] <kennell> Its nice, but Photoshop just got more Functions
[08:59] <TheSheep> kennell: no, it just has more ready to use resources
[08:59] <blizz> synaptic (or however its called) is merely a frontend to apt-get, isnt it?
[09:00] <TheSheep> kennell: then again, all the photoshop-made pictures look the same, because they all use the same boring effects and premade graphics
[09:00] <TheSheep> blizz: something like that
[09:00] <blizz> i just prefer console commands over guis :-)
[09:01] <TheSheep> blizz: console is really horrible for drawing ;)
[09:03] <blizz> lol
[09:03] <blizz> pff, never underestimate the power of.. very precise SVG *cough* yeah..
[09:04] <TheSheep> blizz: ImageMagick
[09:08] <Vai_Ro> question, how do i upgrade to xubuntu 7.04 from 6.10
[09:08] <somerville32> Vai_Ro, Are you sure you want to?
[09:08] <somerville32> 7.04 is a development release
[09:08] <Vai_Ro> absolutly
[09:09] <somerville32> Vai_Ro: There is a saying that goes a long the lines like "If you don't know how, then you're not ready."
[09:09] <somerville32> lol
[09:09] <Vai_Ro> lol
[09:10] <grazie> I lost sound on my machine when picked up some updates a few days ago.
[09:10] <grazie> The updates are here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2566. Any ideas?
[09:15] <grazie> Is it easy to remove the updates and rollback?
[09:16] <max_foodz0r> no
[09:17] <grazie> maxamillion, any suggestions?
[09:18] <TheSheep> grazie: you can force the package version in synaptic -- just select it from the menu
[09:19] <grazie> TheSheep, for each and every package?
[09:19] <TheSheep> grazie: the only thing that could have broken your sound is the new kernel -- try pressing "esc" on boot and selecting the older kernel and see if sound works
[09:20] <TheSheep> grazie: if it does, just make the old kernel the default
[09:20] <grazie> TheSheep, I thought the kernel most likely, but it must have zapped the old!
[09:21] <TheSheep> grazie: no, old kernels are not uninstalled automatically
[09:21] <TheSheep> grazie: just in case
[09:21] <grazie> TheSheep, I've only got one in /boot
[09:22] <TheSheep> ah, it's not kernel, it's restricted modules
[09:23] <grazie> yes, silly
[09:23] <TheSheep> grazie: type 'dmesg' and pastebin the result
[09:24] <kennell> how do i make Screenshot?
[09:25] <TheSheep> kennell: there is a panel plugin for it, you can also use gimp (from the menu select aquire->screenshot)
[09:25] <TheSheep> kennell: or you can install scrot and bind it to a key in settings->keyboard settings
[09:26] <grazie> TheSheep, dmesg > http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2570/
[09:28] <kennell> Yeah, i prefer the "Screenshot"-Key of Windows ;)
[09:29] <TheSheep> grazie: is this all?
[09:29] <grazie> yep
[09:29] <TheSheep> looks like that package for ppc got broken or otherwise out of sync with something
[09:30] <TheSheep> grazie: have you tried updating again? they might have fixed it.
[09:30] <grazie> nothing new
[09:31] <TheSheep> grazie: can't help, really, you could try compiling own kernel
[09:31] <TheSheep> grazie: nothing on the forums?
[09:31] <TheSheep> grazie: in the bug list?
[09:32] <grazie> TheSheep, Haven't tried bugs -  I'll look. Thanks anyway.
[09:33] <leobloo2> hello!
[09:34] <somerville32> Hi! :)
[09:34] <leobloo2> does any of you know a good guide to instal an even ligher xubuntu? =o) I need to have it running on an old laptop PII 400 mhz 128 ram =o)
[09:35] <somerville32> leobloo2, I ran it on a 333mhz w/ 128mb of ram
[09:35] <somerville32> leobloo2, Worked fine for me
[09:36] <leobloo2> dunno, mine seems slow =o( I installe dit from the alternate (dapper) tried to unistall the stuff I don't need but it still takes at least 7 or 12 seconds average to apen applications
[09:40] <leobloo2> i've also thought bout using the icewm but I dunno whther I can still use the ubuntu repos then or not =o/
[09:41] <kennell> Thanks for all the fast Help! I go watch a bit TV!
[09:43] <somerville32> leobloo2, Yup. Just install the package.
[09:44] <somerville32> leobloo2, I recommend upgrading your ram. I'm currently using 333mhz w/ 256mb of ram
[09:44] <somerville32> Super great :)
[09:44] <leobloo2> i don't even know if I can do that =o/
[09:45] <leobloo2> how can i know if I can upgrade my ram?
[09:46] <TheSheep> you can also disable some services that run at startup, like the printing daemon or even cron
[09:47] <leobloo2> what is the cron for?
[09:48] <TheSheep> leobloo2: it runs cheduled programs at certain time
[09:48] <leobloo2> I don't need the printing files coz I have no printer =o) and I?m planning to delete all files i dont need
[09:48] <TheSheep> leobloo2: not really needed for a desktop
[09:48] <leobloo2> oh, uhm I think i've never used a program like that
[09:49] <TheSheep> leobloo2: it's useful when the computer runs 24/7 and you need to do some cleanups or backups
[09:50] <leobloo2> all in all I need a dozen aplications (a player, I 'm trying vlc at the moment), abiword is perfect, got to find a hyperlight diapos viwer and creator plus probably some browser (I've read that ephiphany is very light) and znes for rom games, nothing more really =o)
[09:51] <TheSheep> diapos?
[09:51] <leobloo2> uhm whe nI have to clean ubuntu up I always write the autoremove in the shell :D I'm not sure it's fine but it seems to work :D
[09:51] <leobloo2> um not sure botu the ENglish word for it
[09:51] <leobloo2> like the slides in powerpoint?
[09:51] <TheSheep> slides?
[09:52] <TheSheep> ok
[09:52] <TheSheep> well, bad news, if you want to be compatible with powerpoint, then you must use OpenOffcie Impresss
[09:52] <Vai_Ro> i have a bit of a problem my loading screen isnt working properly any ideas on how to fix it?
[09:52] <somerville32> Vai_Ro, The splash after you login?
[09:52] <Vai_Ro> before
[09:52] <leobloo2> open office is a suicide on my pooor laptop =o/ better doing harakiri! it takes 3 minutes or so only to load!
[09:53] <TheSheep> otherwise, there are dozens of nice presentation programs -- every one with its own custom format, some produce html or pdf files
[09:53] <Vai_Ro> the one thats supposed to say xubuntu and then show a progress bar
[09:53] <TheSheep> leobloo2: there is even a text-mode presentation program :)
[09:53] <somerville32> Vai_Ro, Your usplash
[09:53] <somerville32> !usplash | Vai_Ro
[09:53] <ubotu> Vai_Ro: To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[09:53] <TheSheep> leobloo2: with ascii-art graphics
[09:53] <leobloo2> presentations in html?=o) that sounds nice, they must be light, right?
[09:53] <Vai_Ro> thanks
[09:54] <TheSheep> leobloo2: depends, I didn't really test them. try searching for 'presentation' in synaptic
[09:54] <leobloo2> just to let you understand what I'd like to hae, it's something like puppy linux (probably wih 1/3 of the apps) maybe a partition tool but nothing for dvd's and burning since I don't have them and some nice theme
[09:55] <TheSheep> leobloo2: well, you can certainly make something like this from xubuntu
[09:55] <TheSheep> leobloo2: don't worry about removing xubuntu-desktop -- it's just a dummy package
[09:55] <leobloo2> do you think icewm can be installed on xubuntu? i've never seen icewm but I've read it's lighter and less buggy
[09:56] <leobloo2> technically sepaking I'd like to make a xubuntu-lite :D
[09:56] <leobloo2> *speaking
[09:56] <Vai_Ro> somerville32: after running that command it tells me that theres nothing to configure
[09:57] <somerville32> Vai_Ro, What exactly is the issue with your usplash?
[09:58] <Vai_Ro> its hard to explaine but there isnt really a splash its just a jumbled image
[09:58] <Vai_Ro> i wish i could screen shot it
[09:59] <leobloo2> why can't you?
[09:59] <TheSheep> leobloo2: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=282285
[10:00] <TheSheep> leobloo2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems
[10:00] <leobloo2> thatnks shheep, I'l try to contact that first guy, he's also Italian =o)
[10:02] <slow-motion> n8
[10:06] <leobloo2> the sheep, do you know whther the menu bug in xubuntu dapper has veen fixed in edgy?
[10:10] <leobloo2> a noob question, how will the system kn ow that the laptop is connected to the internet if I install xubuntu 6.10 server from alternate cd if I don't run the shell to configure the dsl connection?
[10:10] <somerville32> TheSheep: Any experience with Flash?
[10:12] <TheSheep> somerville32: yes: avoid
[10:12] <somerville32> lol
[10:12] <somerville32> There is a movie of Jani making a presentation on Xubuntu
[10:12] <somerville32> And I want to watch it
[10:12] <somerville32> It is on Google Video (aka flash)
[10:12] <somerville32> I think it has to do with it trying to use ALSA when I have OSS
[10:12] <TheSheep> !free formats
[10:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about free formats - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:13] <Vai_Ro> somerville: you should ask wishie about it in #alsa
[10:13] <apokryphos> !free formats is <alias> freeformats
[10:13] <apokryphos> !free formats is <alias> freeformats
[10:13] <ubotu> I'll remember that, apokryphos
[10:30] <g333k_work> hello after apt-get dist-upgrading my xubuntu 6.06 I got a kernel panic, any chance to solve it?
[10:30] <TheSheep> g333k_work: at the boot press esc and select the older kernel
[10:31] <TheSheep> g333k_work: then replace all hda in /boot/grub/menu.lst with sda
[10:35] <g333k_work> TheSheep, If I want to dist-upgrade a xubuntu 6.06 do I have to replace the dapper entries for edy in sources.list ?
[10:39] <TheSheep> g333k_work: yes
[10:40] <TheSheep> g333k_work: sorrym if it'sa dapper->edgy, then leave that menu.lst alone
[10:40] <TheSheep> g333k_work: it was for feisty
[10:41] <TheSheep> g333k_work: just replace all 'dapper' with 'edgy' in sources.list, then do the update and dist-upgrade
[10:46] <g333k_work> TheSheep, I did that but I got a kernel panic :( now I'm reainstalling again
[10:56] <hyper_ch> hiho
[10:58] <gunny01> hello
[11:04] <snook353> i got stardict gtk version rpm, converted it with alien, and its needs GLIBC_2.4 . where's the best place to get this - probs with some rpms and alien - somethin about a 'key' - will paste in pastebin if necessary
[11:05] <snook353> here's where i got the rpm from
[11:05] <snook353> http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/2914789/com/glibc-2.4-8.i386.rpm.html
[11:07] <somerville32> Using rpms is not recommended
[11:08] <kumamoto> i bet for every *.rpm  there is an equivalent *.deb package
[11:09] <snook353> i don't want gnome - stardictgtk is there.   i googled and found lots of other ubuntu users missing glibc 2.4 here are some debs, but donm't know if they're for me
[11:09] <snook353> http://ftp.interlegis.gov.br/pub/ubuntu/archive/pool/main/g/glibc/
[11:11] <b9anders> how do I rename my netbios in xubuntu?
[11:17] <emdash> has anyone recently upgraded from 6.06 to 6.10? how did it go?
[11:17] <emdash> thinking about doing this later this evening
[11:26] <snook353> emdash, i got ubuntu 6.10, and didn't like it.  my computer can handle it, but firefox crashed often (teh new 2.0), GAIM crashed whenever i tried to send a file with AIM, and the whole thing started freakin out, so i clean installed xubuntu 6.06.  most of this is about ubuntu, but i did have xubuntu, and didn't see anything different - but of course, xubuntu uses teh same firefox 2.0 and gaim, i guess.
[11:31] <krenjon> Hi there
[11:31] <krenjon> Is there somewhere a how to for compiz with xubuntu feisty alpha2?
[11:32] <krenjon> i get it work... but not like i want ;)
[11:37] <krenjon> Hi there
[11:37] <krenjon> and good evening ;)
[11:37] <krenjon> Is there somewhere a howto for xubuntu feisty alpha2 with compiz? I was already looking in google but didn't something usefull
[11:40] <Vai_Ro> is there a way to check to see if both of my processors cores are enabled?
[11:40] <krenjon> if you use edgy then they are both enabled
[11:41] <krenjon> on dabber you have to download the smp kernel
[11:41] <Vai_Ro> well my system seems very very laggy it takes a good 10 seconds for apps to open and close
[11:41] <krenjon> hm edgy?
[11:41] <Vai_Ro> yes
[11:41] <krenjon> with aiglx/compiz ?
[11:41] <Vai_Ro> no
[11:42] <Vai_Ro> but that shouldnt matter with my hardware
[11:42] <krenjon> hehe believe me, it matters ;)
[11:42] <Vai_Ro> even with a 7950 graphix card?
[11:42] <krenjon> i got a dc 2,4 2gb ram, 7950gt and it lacks sometimes with aiglx
[11:43] <Vai_Ro> almost the same setup here
[11:43] <krenjon> p5b?
[11:43] <Vai_Ro> no am2 5200+
[11:43] <krenjon> ah ok
[11:44] <krenjon> fresh installation? maybe some updates help for the lag... or did it happend after a update?
[11:44] <Vai_Ro> fresh install of the 6.10 64bit edition
[11:44] <krenjon> i also had problems with xubuntu edgy 64
[11:44] <krenjon> downgraded to 32 and it worked
[11:45] <krenjon> i always had got problems with 64bit distis ;) (besides gentoo)
[11:45] <Vai_Ro> heh i tried to install gentoo and failed
[11:45] <Vai_Ro> it was over my head
[11:45] <krenjon> last time i compiled gentoo was before the livecd installation ;)
[11:46] <krenjon> with distcc over 5 computers ;)
[11:46] <Epic> Hello
[11:46] <krenjon> Hi Epic
[11:46] <Vai_Ro> ... i tried from the live cd lol
[11:46] <krenjon> Gentoo is nice... but the problem are the compiling times... but it's still good to learn the bascis of linux
[11:46] <krenjon> currently i prefer ubuntu especially xubuntu, coz i love the xfce ;)
[11:47] <krenjon> xfce is like gnome should be ;)
[11:47] <Vai_Ro> i'm going to retry the installation inside of vmware
[11:47] <krenjon> currently running feisty alpha 2
[11:47] <krenjon> and it's really nice... but also some problems... had to skip the language-pack download - else the installer crashed
[11:48] <Vai_Ro> i was running ubuntu 7.04 then said screw it i'm installing xubuntu and getting rid of gnome
[11:48] <krenjon> xfce 4.4 rocks really
[11:48] <Vai_Ro> i liked the change to thunar
[11:48] <krenjon> got a boottime from grub to gdm under 30s
[11:48] <krenjon> gdm to loaded desktop about 5s - amazing
[11:49] <Vai_Ro> nice
[11:49] <krenjon> and it's minimalistic, fast, clean and looks souber ;)
[11:49] <Vai_Ro> i'm slowly getting things back up and running
[11:49] <Vai_Ro> eventually i'm going to install beryl
[11:49] <krenjon> i tried in feisty the compiz
[11:49] <Vai_Ro> beryl works better
[11:49] <krenjon> it works currently... but not in a nice way... it's not really integradet with xfce
[11:50] <krenjon> but beryl got to much things i don't want ;)
[11:50] <Vai_Ro> disable them then
[11:50] <krenjon> yeah but still ;)
[11:50] <Vai_Ro> lol
[11:50] <krenjon> i want my 5 settings and good ;)
[11:50] <frankabel> I change the default shortcuts of "Previous Tab" and "Next Tab" to "<Shift><Control>p" and "<Shift><Control>n" in "Terminal"(Edit->Preference->Shortcuts->Go). Bad they not work. Can anyone make me the favor of change it temporally in his installation to see if that is a bug of is just my problem?
[11:51] <krenjon> but in feisty my onboard soundcard don't work :(
[11:51] <Vai_Ro> is there a way to downgrade to the 32bit vir of xubuntu without having to reinstall?
[11:51] <krenjon> you have to reinstall... sorry
[11:52] <krenjon> anything else would not be clean
[11:52] <Vai_Ro> crap
[11:52] <krenjon> thats what it would be ;)
[11:52] <krenjon> installation should run fast on your settings ;)
[11:52] <krenjon> 20 mins ;)
[11:52] <Vai_Ro> first i have to dl the ce
[11:52] <Vai_Ro> cd
[11:53] <krenjon> ok... i would also prefer a minimal cd
[11:53] <krenjon> which installs a minimal system and then like debian i can apt-get all the things i want
[11:53] <Vai_Ro> i do like that
[11:53] <kumamoto> looks like a bitch to install audacious on xubuntu
[11:54] <krenjon> how?
[11:55] <krenjon> i love xubuntu feisty ;)
[11:55] <krenjon> it's really nice ;)
[11:56] <krenjon> brings back the fun to linux ;)
[11:56] <Vai_Ro> lol
[11:56] <krenjon> i hope my sound would work after dist-upgrade
[11:56] <Vai_Ro> i just like how linux is now beating windows when it comes to eyecandy
[11:56] <kumamoto> i hate fighting with dependancies especially if they are coming from a package system like apt-get
[11:57] <krenjon> yep... thats why i was using long time gentoo ;)
[11:57] <krenjon> but then you have to deal with use-flags ;)
[11:57] <Vai_Ro> see thats what got me with gentoo
[11:57] <Vai_Ro> i had no clue witch use-flags i needed
[11:57] <krenjon> yeah... after the first installation you always have to emerge world ;)
[11:57] <krenjon> to rebuild all ;)
[11:58] <krenjon> had to reboot... dist-upgrade ;)
[11:58] <kumamoto> luv the gentoo use flags miss a comma u screwed
[11:59] <Vai_Ro> heh well poor little me who's just starting out in the linux world decided hey a custom complied os would be really cool
[12:00] <krenjon> see thats why i love xubuntu ;)
[12:00] <kumamoto> sorry man that is what u do when u really know shit on linux
[12:00] <Vai_Ro> and then i got completly lost when it came to mounting the hard drives and use-flags and the kernal and well everything
[12:00] <kumamoto> dist-upgrade huh?
[12:01] <krenjon> not even a minute for a reboot ;)
[12:01] <krenjon> after dist-upgrade
[12:01] <kumamoto> what does that do maybe it will fix issues with my lovely audacious
[12:01] <Vai_Ro> do they have a xubuntu 7.04 cd yet?
[12:01] <krenjon> yep
[12:01] <krenjon> alpha 2
[12:02] <krenjon> currently running it ;)
[12:02] <Vai_Ro> could i have a link plz
[12:02] <krenjon> xubunu.org
[12:02] <krenjon> xubuntu.com sorry
[12:03] <krenjon> on the right site in the news thing
[12:03] <krenjon> feisty fawn alpha 2
[12:03] <krenjon> currently i got no window manager - coz compiz fu..s around in xfce ;K)
[12:03] <Vai_Ro> lol nice right on top of the list
[12:03] <kumamoto> crap my firefox has crapped out again damn it
[12:04] <Vai_Ro> well that will take about 40 minutes to download
[12:04] <krenjon> audacious works here kumamoto
[12:05] <kumamoto> my add/remove thing can't even list it
[12:05] <krenjon> did you make a apt-get dist-upgrade with the alpha2?
[12:06] <kumamoto> nope just the plain sudo apt-get update
[12:06] <krenjon> make an apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:07] <krenjon> but i have to go to sleep now ;)
[12:07] <krenjon> its late; )
[12:07] <krenjon> good night
[12:07] <Vai_Ro> night
[12:10] <kumamoto> I guess it is update
[12:11] <bigfuzzyjesus_> hello
[12:11] <Vai_Ro> hi
[12:14] <bigfuzzyjesus_> somerville32, i decided to just install xfce 4.4.0 and not install feisty...