[00:03] <hamitron> Azelphur: the dude is on the same /8 network
[00:03] <Azelphur> hamitron, ?
[00:03] <hamitron> class A
[00:03] <hamitron> is he not?
[00:04] <hamitron> I did a traceroute
[00:05] <Azelphur> hamitron, you mean on stevo from my server? he was connected through a VPN otherwise he wouldn't have been able to be connected XD
[00:05] <hamitron> he said what IP range he gets on his ISP
[00:06] <Azelphur> oh yea ok
[00:06] <Azelphur> and yea, he says his entire range is dropped
[00:06] <Azelphur> and a few of his friends can't get on
[00:06] <hamitron> and that is the same network as the router that is your first hop iirc
[00:08] <Azelphur> hamitron, yea, I get theplanet for that IP
[00:08] <Azelphur> hamitron, his IP ( <IP_ADDRESS> ) is weird, if I put it in dnsstuff it redirects to a completely different IP o.O
[05:01] <Canaimero-e8d> quayudame para intalar Adobe Flash Player
[05:02] <Canaimero-e8d> Adobe Flash Player
[06:07] <ali1234> advent vega: is it any good?
[06:10] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYtWxTGevO8
[06:33] <ali1234> why does every version of ubuntu insist on making it impossible to tell which window is focused?
[06:36] <Myrtti> xfce ♥
[06:36] <ali1234> yes, xfce too
[06:36] <Myrtti> although I thought the window borders and titles do change colour in Ubuntu too when focused?
[06:36] <ali1234> title bars of focused/unfocused windows are exactly the same
[06:36] <ali1234> they don't even *have* borders any more in ubuntu
[06:37] <ali1234> xubuntu has borders, but they don't change in any way when you focus a window
[06:37] <Myrtti> then you've got something misconfigured
[06:37] <ali1234> i just installed xubuntu 11.04
[06:37] <ali1234> i literally logged in about 2 minutes ago for the first time after rebooting from the installer
[06:38] <ali1234> i have not touched any config at all yet
[06:38] <ali1234> everything uses this greybird theme where everything is grey
[06:38] <ali1234> *everything*
[06:41] <Myrtti> meh, I don't even have time to dig configs for you, need to go to the doctors to learn how to inject myself :-/
[06:41] <Myrtti> stupid Klexane, stupid transatlantic flights
[06:44] <ali1234> damn
[06:44] <ali1234> i thought i got rid of global menus
[06:44] <ali1234> but apparently virtualbox has them hardcoded somehow
[06:49] <ali1234> well that sucks
[06:49] <ali1234> in xfce you can't turn off icons in application menus without losing icons on the start menu
[06:50] <ali1234> you can turn off icons in the start menu and have icons in app menus though
[07:06]  * gord has started counting the number if times i have to sleep before i can go home
[07:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> That good eh gord ?
[07:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning BTW
[07:10] <gord> TheOpenSourcerer, UDS is good! i have just been here for a week already is all :) i miss all my stuff
[07:11] <Pendulum> gord: did you remember to bring tea this time/
[07:11] <Pendulum> ?
[07:12] <gord> nope! but cztab reminded me so managed to bring some
[07:15] <Pendulum> :)
[07:15] <gord> Pendulum, enjoying the uk? hoping the sun has lasted
[07:15] <Pendulum> well it's rained for part of the day the last 2 where I've been
[07:15] <Pendulum> but it looks at least somewhat sunny atm
[07:17] <gord> :( it was so sunny when i left
[07:19] <czajkowski> gord: i have a use
[07:19] <Pendulum> gord: I think it might be where I am, don't worry :P
[07:32] <Laptop11-04> hello i have a problem with my wireless card. when i installed ubuntu the card was set as UNCLAIMED under "lshw -C network"  i cant seem to get it to work, i even tried to install a windows driver on it with ndisgtk  but that failed. this card works under other linux distros. why wont ubuntu use it  ??
[07:40] <ali1234> well xubuntu was a waste of my time
[07:48] <ali1234> ok, according to firefox "reminds" isn't a word
[07:49] <Laptop11-04> what do you mean according to firefox
[07:50] <ali1234> firefox has a spell checker
[07:50] <ali1234> it rejects "reminds"
[07:50] <Laptop11-04> not here
[07:54] <gord> keynote time - not sure if we are live streaming it this time
[07:54] <Pendulum> gord: chatting in #ubuntu-uds says yes
[07:55] <Pendulum> or at least that it's supposed to
[07:55] <ali1234> http://video.ubuntu.com/live/ ?
[08:00] <gord> when it starts i would assume
[08:46] <DJones> Morning all
[08:47] <DJones> \o/ New PC at work
[08:47] <DJones> I'll have to have a day off more often
[08:48] <BigRedS> whoo!
[08:49] <DJones> Now to finish installing all my non-work related apps
[09:03] <Neoti> ok so i upgraded to ubuntu 11.04.... and since then... internet browsing is slow..... also when my screen saver comes on and i VNC in to this computer from another location sometimes the computer just freezes up and i have to reboot it ... even if i go back in front of the computer i move the mouse it moves but the screen is still just frozen on the gnome foot screen saver.... .... any one else experianced this ?
[09:07] <Laptop11-04> hello i have a problem with my wireless card. when i installed ubuntu the card was set as UNCLAIMED under "lshw -C network"  i cant seem to get it to work, i even tried to install a windows driver on it with ndisgtk  but that failed. this card works under other linux distros. why wont ubuntu use it  ad how can i fix this  ??
[09:17] <wintellect> Mornin all
[09:17] <_serial_> morning fellow virginmedia user
[09:17] <wintellect> :)
[09:18] <wintellect> You happy with their service _serial_ ?
[09:18] <_serial_> its not bad on 10Mb but i hear bad things about 30Mb superhub thing
[09:18] <wintellect> really?
[09:18] <_serial_> are you?
[09:18] <wintellect> No, I'm 10Mb and happy with it
[09:18] <_serial_> yeah, something about there firmware not being up to scratch
[09:19] <wintellect> :(
[09:20] <_serial_> http://m.forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2011/02/22/virgin_media_superhub_fail/ if your interested... theres a little section on el reg but i cant find it @dmo
[09:20] <popey> I have a superhub
[09:20] <popey> works fine
[09:20] <wintellect> popey: what's the upload speed on those?
[09:21] <_serial_> did you have to update the firmware a few times to get the download speed they offered?
[09:21] <popey> I am on 30Mb/s down, 3Mb/s up
[09:21] <popey> no
[09:21] <_serial_> one of the rare few according to the www...
[09:21] <wintellect> nice, 3Mb up   -   popey can now be a Ubuntu mirror for me :P
[09:22] <popey> hah
[09:22] <_serial_> :D sounds like a good idea winintellect
[09:22] <wintellect> :D
[09:22] <wintellect> well, it'll stop me asking popey "Is it libe yet" on release days :P
[09:22] <wintellect> live*
[09:23] <Neoti> ok so i upgraded to ubuntu 11.04.... and since then... internet browsing is slow..... also when my screen saver comes on and i VNC in to this computer from another location sometimes the computer just freezes up and i have to reboot it ... even if i go back in front of the computer i move the mouse it moves but the screen is still just frozen on the gnome foot screen saver.... .... any one else experianced this ?
[09:40] <Stealthy> how do i install a driver on ubuntu 11.04
[09:40] <wintellect> Stealthy: which driver do you want/need?
[09:40] <BigRedS> Stealthy: it depends upon the driver
[09:41] <oimon> grrr the hinge has snapped on my dell laptop and dell won't replace it despite being under warranty
[09:41] <Stealthy> wintellect   ndiswrapper -a 168c:0013 ath5k    it says ath5k isnt installed properly
[09:41] <wintellect> don't know about ndiswrapper, sorry
[09:41] <wintellect> oimon: :O   bsd dell! Bad, bad dell!
[09:46] <oimon> they are asking £85 for a replacement
[09:47] <popey> Clutch on my car has gone phut
[09:57] <oimon> broken things suck :(
[09:57] <oimon> how much for the new clutch popey?
[09:57] <BigRedS> I've spent the past few years earning a living off of people having broken things...
[09:57] <popey> 300 quid he reckons
[09:57] <Stealthy> oimon unless its a vacuum cleaner :P
[09:58] <oimon> btw i bought a casio f91w recently too! there seems to have been a bit of a run on them since the news article, loads of geeks born in the 70s realised they were still being made and bought one
[09:59] <popey> :)
[10:00] <ali1234> being an 80s child i always wanted the casio calculator watch
[10:01] <oimon> i have a posh watch but never wear it
[10:02] <oimon> the casio fits my needs exactly
[10:02] <oimon> a real mans watch
[10:02]  * oimon buys a screen hinge for 10% of the price dell were asking
[10:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> The garage collected my Volvo this morning for its service and MOT. Bloke reckoned my car was only worth £500 :-)
[10:08] <dogmatic69> what Volvo is that?
[10:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> V70 2.4Turbo
[10:09] <dogmatic69> how old is it?
[10:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> "V" reg approx 120K miles
[10:10] <dogmatic69> like 20 yo?
[10:10] <dogmatic69> should have taken the 500 and run :P
[10:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nah 1999/00
[10:11] <dogmatic69> ah, second time round V reg
[10:13] <dogmatic69> loads on the net for ~ 2k
[10:13] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: I'm thinking of getting a new car
[10:14] <oimon> any car with an MOT is worth £250
[10:14] <AlanBell> worth that without an MOT actually
[10:15] <oimon> i gave my gold away when it got to that stage
[10:15] <oimon> gold=golf
[10:15] <AlanBell> I got £232.50 selling my Avensis by weight for scrap
[10:15] <oimon> wow
[10:15] <AlanBell> volvo would be at least £4567898765.00 on that scale
[10:15] <dogmatic69> lol
[10:15] <oimon> i was very sad to sell my last year because it worked great but was too small for a family :(
[10:16] <oimon> i had a seat ibiza since brand new, although i have a focus estate now, and pretty happy with it
[10:20] <simondbull> My friend has a 1996 Ford Escort white van which he claims to be the best vehicle around, and the fastest, best ting ever !! lol
[10:22] <ahayzen> Lol ... thts crazy
[10:22] <simondbull> yh, its a wreck!!
[10:22] <ahayzen> haha
[10:23] <simondbull> why are we on irc when we are right next to each other!?
[10:23] <ahayzen> dunno ..lol
[10:24] <ali1234> i downloaded the alternate cd instead of the desktop cd for xubuntu
[10:24] <ali1234> i wondered why it used the text installer when i installed it in vb
[10:26] <oimon> is there any news about that bug regarding power issues in natty? i don't know the bug #
[10:27] <ali1234> bug 760131
[10:27] <popey> its an upstream kernel bug
[10:27] <popey> AIUI
[10:27] <oimon> boo
[10:27] <oimon> bug '760131
[10:27] <ahayzen> There was an article here as well...http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_natty_power&num=1
[10:28] <oimon> bug #760131
[10:28] <oimon> the bot is sleeping
[10:28] <popey> just type the number
[10:28] <oimon> 760131
[10:28] <popey> no need for other characters
[10:28] <popey> with bug
[10:28] <dogmatic69> :D
[10:28] <oimon> punches himself in the face
[10:28] <oimon> bug 760131
[10:30] <ali1234> my experience of xubuntu so far has been quite poor
[10:30] <oimon> default theme?
[10:31] <ali1234> the default theme sucks yes
[10:31] <ali1234> but then so does the one on ubuntu
[10:31] <krimzon2> shame the shortcuts was an ordinary panel that you have to manually add launchers to
[10:31] <oimon> lucid default theme is only 5 minutes work though
[10:31] <oimon> kde 3.5.x used to be a weeks work
[10:31] <ali1234> the thing at the bottom? deleted that straight away
[10:32] <oimon> switch the panel with docky et voila
[10:32] <ali1234> unfortunately you can't customize the menu
[10:32] <ali1234> docks are crap
[10:32] <ali1234> if i wanted a dock i would use unity :/
[10:32] <oimon> thats a launcher :D
[10:32] <ali1234> no, it's a dock, on the side
[10:32] <krimzon2> i'd like a dock but only if it only showed the currently open apps on the current workspace
[10:33] <ali1234> you can tell it's a dock because it has that broken behaviour of using the same icon for launching and switching between apps
[10:33] <ali1234> actually yes, only showing current workspace would be a huge improvement for unity
[10:33] <ali1234> probably the easiest to implement change with the biggest result
[10:34] <oimon> that's funny since i use the dock for the opposite
[10:34] <ali1234> the most anoying thing in unity is when you are doing something with a bunch of windows and you want to do something else
[10:34] <ali1234> so you go to a new workspace and click for a new terminal
[10:34] <ali1234> but it just zaps you back to the one you were just using
[10:34] <oimon> i keep liferea on another workspace,  but i don't siwtch workspaces manually, i just click the icon on docky
[10:34] <krimzon2> yeah, that's really annoying
[10:35] <ali1234> i don't use lifera or any of that junk
[10:35] <krimzon2> gnome 2 has a single panel icon that pops up a list of everything on all desktops for that kind of thing
[10:35] <ahayzen> @ali1234 you know that if you middle click on the icon in the launcher it will open a new window of that item...
[10:35] <ali1234> ahayzen: yes i know, so now i only ever middle click
[10:35] <ahayzen> rather than switching to it
[10:35] <oimon> unity desperately needs the right click option to choose which window from a list e.g. if you have 20 terminals , you don't want expose view, you want to look at a list instead and choose one
[10:35] <ahayzen> lol
[10:36] <ali1234> but this means i have to way of switching between windows
[10:36] <ali1234> *no
[10:36] <ali1234> usually i have 3 or 4 terminals, 1 or 2 firefox windows, and maybe a gedit on each workspace
[10:36] <ali1234> anyway i'm not testing unity today
[10:36] <ali1234> i'm testing replacements
[10:37] <ali1234> starting with xubuntu
[10:37] <ahayzen> same.. it doesn't usually seem to bad...
[10:37] <oimon> i'd like to try a really customized kde sometime
[10:37] <oimon> i never know where to start customizing kde4
[10:37] <ali1234> i tried customizing KDE for like a week
[10:38] <ali1234> i got it to almost usable
[10:38] <ali1234> but there are some things you just can't fix
[10:38] <oimon> amarok :(
[10:38] <krimzon2> trouble with kde is I always start with trying to change the window border to one I like
[10:38] <ali1234> lol, yes, amarok being one of them
[10:38] <oimon> what a shame about amarok - summed up the whole kde4 thing really for me
[10:38] <ali1234> i managed to get windows, menus, icons, and theme to be quite nice
[10:39] <ali1234> oimon: it sums it up so well that i trot out a screenshot of it any time someone says they like KDE
[10:39] <popey> :)
[10:39] <ali1234> and i'm about to do it again right now
[10:39] <popey> I recall that screenshot
[10:39] <ali1234> http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/kdefail.png
[10:39] <popey> here it comes
[10:39] <popey> there it is!
[10:40] <oimon> ugh my eyes
[10:40] <ali1234> to be fair it's nowhere enar that bad any more
[10:41] <oimon> too late though
[10:41] <oimon> amark 1.4 was a joy to use
[10:41] <oimon> i still use k3b on gnome
[10:41] <ali1234> i think i am coming around to some features of unity you know
[10:41] <oimon> had some disasters with brasero
[10:42] <ali1234> the dash (searching) is quite good
[10:42] <ali1234> and i like the way it puts everything in the top bar when you maximize
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> Except it never finds what I'm looking for
[10:42] <krimzon2> searching is handy but sometimes I know which app I want and just want to launch it with a click or two
[10:42] <oimon> bono ^^
[10:42] <ali1234> yeah i agree
[10:43] <ali1234> but with kde and xfce i really miss having the three menus
[10:43] <oimon> i imagine new users will feel like i do when i have a use a mac
[10:43] <ali1234> apps places settings
[10:43] <ali1234> i don't like having to drill through the extra level of menus when they just have the single top level button, which they all do
[10:43]  * wintellect finds the app "dmenu" very good in his minimalist window manager
[10:43] <ali1234> i especially don't like the new "control center" thing where you have to go through a bunch of menus, and then you get a new app with all settigs ever
[10:44] <ali1234> and a weird fowards/backwards thing that isn't like any other apps
[10:45] <ali1234> i always close the damn thing by mistake and then have to launch it again, because the settings are never divided up in a logical way so i have to keep switching between two sub panels
[10:45] <krimzon2> I like centralized settings
[10:45] <ali1234> of course you can;t have more than one copy of it open, that would be too easy
[10:45] <oimon> i find the dash super ugly
[10:45] <oimon> i thought the grey and huge icons were just placeholders for the duration of the beta
[10:47] <krimzon2> I don't get why it doesn't use the whole screen at first until you click the thing in the corner
[10:47] <ali1234> yes, it should rembber if you maximize it once
[10:48] <ali1234> but i can see that it does have some improvements now
[10:49] <ali1234> ok rebooting in to xubuntu live cd...
[10:49] <ali1234> oh wait, i should copy it to usb first :)
[10:56] <ali1234> oimon: here's my configured KDE: http://imagebin.org/152473
[10:56] <oimon> ali1234: interesting
[10:57] <ali1234> that's using qtcurve theme and a huge amount of customizations to turn off the worst of kde
[10:57] <ali1234> i never figured out how to make font rendering not suck but i think that's down to opensuse more than anythign else
[10:57] <oimon> i was wondering about the font
[10:57] <oimon> looks a bit...weedy
[10:58] <ali1234> i had to download ubuntu font manually and install it
[10:58] <oimon> doesn't look right
[10:58] <ali1234> yes, their font hinting doesn't seem to be configurable
[10:58] <ali1234> there's a config window, but it doesn't do anything
[10:58] <oimon> i don't know what apple do but their fonts and windows always look crisp
[10:58] <ali1234> if you make the font 1 point bigger then it gets really heavy
[10:58] <ali1234> so heavy in fact that there's no different between bold and normal
[10:59] <ali1234> it's all about font hinting
[10:59] <ali1234> there'sa good website that explains it
[10:59] <ali1234> it explains why everyone but apple sucks at it
[10:59] <oimon> ali1234: which version of kde4?
[10:59] <ali1234> that's 4.6.3 i think
[10:59] <ali1234> oh no, 4.6.0
[11:00] <oimon> "To sum up, in Qt 4.5 we should honor more of the font config settings, including lcd filter and hinting style. However, unless you explicitly change the LCD filter or hinting style things should look basically the same as in Qt 4.4."
[11:00] <oimon> http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2008/09/01/subpixel-antialiasing-on-x11/
[11:01] <ali1234> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/06/whats-wrong-with-apples-font-rendering.html
[11:01] <ali1234> lol
[11:01] <ali1234> nothing is wrong with it
[11:01] <ali1234> those screenshots... the apple one clearly looks a lot better than the ie7 one
[11:02] <oimon> i'm not sure if a screenshot like that helps
[11:02] <oimon> it's out of context
[11:03] <ali1234> here you go: http://antigrain.com/research/font_rasterization/
[11:03] <oimon> windows 7 is terrible at it. one of my staff moved onto win7 and said there was a problem with his new 22inch monitor, could he have the old 17inch one back
[11:03] <ali1234> most detailed treatment of the problem i've seen
[11:03] <oimon> turned out it was windows7 putting a shadow behind text on the desktop shortcut names etc - it looked terrible and unreadable
[11:05] <ali1234> see especially the "gamma does not work" part
[11:06] <ali1234> ok xubuntu time
[11:06] <gord> this hotel is big, still, its too small for this UDS. too many people in too small rooms
[11:06] <ali1234> do you all have rooms in the same hotel as the conf?
[11:07] <ali1234> cos that's like, luxury, man
[11:07] <ali1234> normally i have to walk for half an hour to get from hotel to conf
[11:07] <gord> always, hotels with conference centres
[11:07] <popey> not always :)
[11:07] <popey> Google.
[11:07] <ali1234> i must be going to the wrong confs
[11:07] <gord> always in the last few years :)
[11:07] <popey> :)
[11:08] <gord> now Mariana is in charge. it makes sense
[11:08] <gord> all the rooms here sound like ikea names, no chance i'm ever gonna be able to join the channel name for each room
[11:10] <gord> oh, bt sent me an email saying that infinity is in my area. tempt me not foul beast.
[11:13] <oimon> chromium have nasty fonts in some text entry forms - firefox looks nicer
[11:15] <ali1234> pidgin by default... that's worth some points
[11:15] <ali1234> but how do i get dual head to work?
[11:15] <oimon> xubuntu?
[11:15] <ali1234> i mean it works but both monitors show the same thing and there doesn't seem to be any way to change that
[11:15] <oimon> lol
[11:15] <ali1234> yes
[11:15] <oimon> the problem with xubuntu is that i've never tried it on a decent machine
[11:18] <ali1234> lol. it detects both monitors, even lets me change the wallpaper independently
[11:18] <ali1234> the problem is it draws everything from both monitors on both monitors :(
[11:21] <ali1234> jockey doesn't offer me nvidia in xubuntu? how odd
[11:22] <ali1234> installing it manually, maybe it will help
[11:23] <ali1234> all the fonts are really tiny
[11:32] <DJones> If ali1234 was still here, I'd have said, isn't that to be expected for a smaller /lighter distribution :)
[11:34] <Tommeh> So, today I've switched back to using Unity
[11:34] <Tommeh> As I apt-get autoremove'd and didn't notice gnome-shell (and deps) getting uninstalled.
[11:34] <Tommeh> So haven't got a lot of choice :)
[11:34] <BigRedS> I'm mulling an upgrade to 11.04
[11:34] <Tommeh> But, I'm not hating it quite as much as I was....
[11:34] <BigRedS> Gnome 3 was irritating the hell out of me yesterday
[11:34] <Tommeh> It's pretty bare
[11:34] <Tommeh> I was happy enough using it but..
[11:35] <Tommeh> My chief bugbear with Unity was the awkward behaviour when switching between workspaces with a mouse
[11:35] <ali1234> ok getting somewhere... nvidia driver is working, dual head is working correctly
[11:35] <Tommeh> But I've noticed that I just have to get used to click on the app I want to find on another workspace, rather than just click the workspace.
[11:35] <Tommeh> Like that .. It's better.
[11:35] <ali1234> unfortunately there is no interface to configure it in xfce
[11:36] <oimon> still thinking about that £15 raspberry pi device that i read about last week...hope it comes to fruition
[11:36] <ali1234> Tommeh: it fails quite badly when you have 5 terminals open on each workspace
[11:36] <ali1234> ha ha fruition
[11:36] <ali1234> iswydt
[11:36] <oimon> :D
[11:36] <Tommeh> lol, haven't quite got there yet. I tend to keep one terminal window open and have multiple tabs :)
[11:36] <ali1234> it fails fairly badly when you have exactly 1 terminal open on each workspace, tabs or not
[11:37] <oimon> ali1234: someone will write a tweak soon to allow choosing terminal from a list then will all be happy
[11:37] <ali1234> well as long as it works for all apps
[11:37] <ali1234> cos firefox has the same problem
[11:37] <Tommeh> ali1234: and I have (currently) no common use-case scenario where tabs aren't an option in one terminal window.
[11:37] <Tommeh> Which is what I'm getting at
[11:37] <ali1234> then you have no use for workspaces either
[11:37] <Tommeh> However I hope that the situation you're describing gets fixed.
[11:37] <Tommeh> ali1234: whatever :)
[11:38] <ali1234> it's just as bad with firefox
[11:38] <oimon> tabs in terminals suck
[11:38] <ali1234> especially when you click it, and it takes you to the @downloads@ window
[11:38] <ali1234> cos that's the only @firefox@ window you have open
[11:38] <oimon> especially when you are comparing data in 2 or 3 terminals
[11:38] <ali1234> that's going to bug people who don't know about middle click
[11:38] <ali1234> cos the download window doesn't have a menu wth @new window@ in it
[11:38] <ali1234> btw sorry about @, stupid live cd has american kb layout
[11:39] <ali1234> yes tabs are useless when you need terminals side by side
[11:39] <ali1234> i open and close terminals often to terminator isn't an option either
[11:41] <ali1234> ugh... put panel on second xfce display, mess up icons on first display
[11:42] <ali1234> this is not polished
[11:44] <ali1234> i don't have much faith that xfce can properly handle dual head :(
[11:45] <ali1234> oh well pressing on
[11:45] <ali1234> lets see how it handles fullscreen apps
[11:45] <ali1234> hmm... noticable lag when resizing windows
[11:46] <ali1234> odd because it's the same gtk
[11:46] <ali1234> must be a sucky windows manager i guess
[11:46] <ali1234> "you don't have mpeg2 decoder, get lost"
[11:47] <ali1234> doesn't seem to have any codecs at all in fact
[11:47] <ali1234> i guess it's cos it's livecd
[11:50] <ali1234> that's good... panel doesn't overlap fullscreen windows
[11:50] <ali1234> of course, the UI gets completely messed up
[11:50] <ali1234> never thought i would miss totem
[11:51] <kazade> Haha just got this error while trying to package an app of mine: debuild: fatal error at line 1337:  <<<
[11:54] <oimon> wonder what my chances of also getting this patch of dead pixels fixed: http://i.imgur.com/UtzIK.jpg
[11:59] <Tommeh> Gahhh
[11:59] <Tommeh> And now Unity freezes on me.
[11:59] <Tommeh> Bleh.
[12:54] <oimon> seem to have had some success with dell :D although the guy in the indian call centre would not replace the broken part, the girl in the irish call centre did :D and will replace my LCD screen too because of dead pixels
[12:54] <oimon> thats consistency for you
[13:24] <dwatkins> I know the feeling, sadly, oimon
[13:25] <dwatkins> I had to send my ASUS Eee back to ASUS for the screen to be replaced. The reseller refused to do anything because it wasn't bad enough.
[13:35] <Laney> i swear linaro speaks a different language to me
[13:35] <ChrisKenyon> x event
[13:47] <bigcalm> On a client's server...
[13:47] <bigcalm> ]$sudo su -
[13:47] <bigcalm> Segmentation fault
[13:47] <bigcalm> Something fall down go boom
[13:48] <Laney> sudo -i
[13:48] <Laney> instead of that ;-)
[13:48] <bigcalm> Segmentation fault
[13:48] <bigcalm> Even 'su' gives a segfault
[13:48] <Laney> :S
[13:54] <ali1234> HazRPG: what file did you edit for flash fullscreen hack in chrome?
[13:57] <andylockran> guys
[13:58] <andylockran> if I was maxing out network bandwidth between a mysql server and apache server (separate machines) - would you expect mysql not to open any more connections and handle the max bandwidth itself, or would there be errors?
[13:59] <bigcalm> Oh flip. Not only the segfault on sudo, but the client's email sending queue has backed up to about 2,200 emails
[14:00] <diplo> Time outs I'd think andylockran
[14:00] <diplo> apache box trying to connect to mysql server
[14:01] <BigRedS> the mysql client would produce errors
[14:01] <BigRedS> and whatever's using that will deal with them as it wishes, normally just complaining of an inability to connect
[14:03] <andylockran> yep - thanks
[14:18] <davmor2> moo
[14:19] <gord> no cows.
[14:20] <gord> davmor2, i haven't seen you here yet, have i totally blanked you whilst walking past? i do that sometimes
[14:20] <czajkowski> gord: ya cause yer rude
[14:20] <czajkowski> booo
[14:20] <gord> i prefer "deep in thought about 'portant stuff like badgers and ants forming a super creature"
[14:21] <davmor2> gord:  I don't think I've spotted you either but then there are a couple of other people here,  I'll meet you at the greet and meet latter maybe
[14:22]  * czajkowski stabs davmor2
[14:22] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Qt 5 Coming... - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4426
[14:22] <gord> too many here this time, or maybe the venue is too small, but too crowded for sure
[14:22] <AlanBell> o/ ChrisKenyon
[14:24] <czajkowski> gord: i'm not there :(
[14:26] <davmor2> yay! czajkowski is back on form
[14:26] <czajkowski> davmor2: no i;m cranky
[14:27] <czajkowski> just got 3 job rejections one after another
[14:30] <DJones> czajkowski: Are you planning on staying this side of the water or looking to head back home
[14:31] <czajkowski> styaing here if i can find work
[14:32] <DJones> Right
[14:34] <davmor2> czajkowski: AH nevermind someone will realise their mistake I'm sure
[14:35] <gord> http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/careers is always a good browse for those looking for employment :)
[14:35] <czajkowski> gord: done
[14:36] <gord> frankly, HR is almost always backed up with canononical, so its more of a long term solution...
[14:38] <DJones> czajkowski: If we could justify it, I'd recommend you for IT support where I work (apart from the fact its all windows), but we're too small to have a full time IT support person/department, we just pay outside companies as & when needed
[14:39] <czajkowski> :)
[14:39] <bigcalm> Windows IT support? Is there a worse tech job?
[14:39] <kazade> DOS tech support?
[14:39] <bigcalm> :P
[14:39] <kazade> :)
[14:41] <DJones> I was off on Friday and while I was away, I had new PC installed, the guy that did it spent half a day setting it up & then wasn't able to install the program I use the most (well work related program anyway)
[14:42] <czajkowski> that reminds me
[14:42] <Psychobudgie> bigcalm, Windows IT support is a great job, usually involves getting users to reboot
[14:42] <oimon> i think being a pit crew engineer is the worst job
[14:42] <czajkowski> need to ring the nice gp and chase up on mro
[14:42] <czajkowski> mri
[14:43] <oimon> your performance is judged on 5 seconds work and everybody will hate you if you delay it by 1 sec
[14:43] <DJones> It wasn't his fault, my predecessor or the one before that had hidden/lost the installation cd's, all I had were two updated versions which it turns out aren't compatibe with the program I use 2nd most often
[14:43] <Psychobudgie> I would think cleaning raw sewage or being a fluffer would suck pretty bad
[14:44] <Psychobudgie> I'd hazard a guess that they are way worse than anything you can come up with in IT
[14:44] <DJones> Psychobudgie: Either way, whether its cleaning raw sewage or supporting Windows, you need some form of protective clothing :D
[14:46] <DJones> Hmmh, Installing update 18 of 88 (Windows Live essentials) Restart now/later? Ermmmm. I'll wait until all 88 have been installed thank you very much
[14:47] <czajkowski> gord: see pm
[14:52] <oimon> facebook can't rotate my uploaded videos :(
[14:53] <bigcalm> Turn your monitor on its side
[14:53] <popey> no
[14:53] <popey> turn everyone elses
[14:53] <bigcalm> Ah
[14:55] <oimon> "something's gone wrong with rotating the video, we're fixing it as soon as we can"...that was 6 months ago
[14:55] <dwatkins> Perhaps it's still rendering.
[14:55] <hamitron> can't you just rotate before uploading?
[14:57] <oimon> it's a .3gp video...so no
[14:57] <oimon> also if i rotate on youtube i get massive vertical black bars on either side
[14:57] <dwatkins> Isn't that to be expected when rotating video?
[14:58] <hamitron> it owuld annoy me more if it stretched it
[14:58] <hamitron> would*
[14:58] <oimon> it should crop it surely?
[14:59] <hamitron> but then you have missing bits
[14:59] <hamitron> :/
[14:59] <oimon> not sure if i'm the only one with the facebook rotation problem
[14:59] <hamitron> well, I don't use facebook, so can safely say I don't have the problem ;)
[15:01] <oimon> i don't know whose idea it was to have .3gp files in the first place
[15:01] <ali1234> 3gp is actually just mpeg
[15:02] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: mpeg4
[15:02] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: with a special audio-codec sometimes (AMR)
[15:03] <oimon> i think it's the amr that causes the problems in lucid
[15:03] <arsen> anyone know any wiki software that supports drag&drop out of the box?
[15:04] <BigRedS> dragging and dropping what?
[15:04] <BigRedS> Not that I'm likely to know, I'm just intrigued
[15:04] <arsen> ie drag files/images into a wiki page
[15:04] <arsen> for upload/attach
[15:04] <BigRedS> oh wow, surely that's a bit dependent upon browser support?
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> it is
[15:04] <arsen> well yes it would be, but it also relies on the sofwares ability to handle it
[15:05] <oimon> arsen:  like this? https://studio.plugins.atlassian.com/wiki/display/DND/Drag+and+Drop+Attachments+for+Confluence+and+JIRA+(Firefox)
[15:06] <oimon> it's a firefox addin
[15:06] <arsen> that relies on everyone running firefox though
[15:06] <arsen> html5 supports this stuff
[15:07] <oimon> http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/DOC/Confluence+3.5+Release+Notes#Confluence3.5ReleaseNotes-DragandDropforHTML5Browsers
[15:27] <Laney> NOT CANONICAL!
[15:29] <ali1234> why not?
[15:29] <oimon> BBC4 are showing the Tom Baker Dr Who classic Hand of Fear 4 part series - starting tonight
[15:31] <popey> :D
[15:33]  * Laney strokes popey
[15:33] <Laney> someone accused me of being a Launchpad developer earlier
[15:33] <DJones> Anybody in Swindon interested in a coding challenge http://www.museumofcomputing.org.uk/events/5-current-events/90-bedroom-programming-challenge
[15:35] <popey> haha you deserve to be the on the team then Laney !
[15:41] <HazRPG> ali1234: /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome
[15:43] <ali1234> HazRPG: cheers
[15:43] <HazRPG> ali1234: http://paste.ubuntu.com/605248/
[15:44] <HazRPG> ali1234: that's what I changed in mine
[15:44] <ali1234> can you pastebin the whole thing please?
[15:44] <HazRPG> just before: exec -a "$0" "$HERE/chrome" "$@"
[15:44] <HazRPG> sure
[15:46] <HazRPG> ali1234: http://pastebin.com/M7SFvKbv (paste.ubuntu.com was being too slow)
[15:46] <ali1234> ugh why does pastebin.com have flash objects on it?
[15:46] <ali1234> never noticed before i started using flashblock
[15:46] <HazRPG> it does?
[15:46] <HazRPG> *shrug* I'm using flash block too
[15:46] <ali1234> oh it must be how they make "copy to clipboard" work
[15:47] <HazRPG> ah heh, yeah it is
[15:47] <HazRPG> just noticed it at the top xD
[15:48] <hamitron> isn't it just adverts?
[15:48] <HazRPG> hamitron: pastebin doesn't have adverts
[15:48] <hamitron> it doesn't?
[15:49] <hamitron> 1 top, one right, one bottom
[15:50] <ali1234> i;ve often wondered...
[15:50] <ali1234> why do some channels get shirty if you use the wrong pastebin?
[15:50] <hamitron> unless they want you to use theirs, with advertising on........ I dunno
[15:50] <hamitron> ;)
[15:51] <oimon> !info pastebinit
[15:51] <ali1234> i can understand it for ##C, their pastebin can actually compile and run the code, it's very clever
[15:51] <oimon> shouldn't the bot be talking about natty packages now by default?
[15:51] <oimon> !info pastebinit natty
[15:51] <ali1234> http://ideone.com/
[15:52] <ali1234> oimon: yes, it should
[15:52] <hamitron> is there a !info specially for lts?
[15:52] <hamitron> !infolts nano
[15:53] <hamitron> !ltsinfo nano
[15:53] <ali1234> !info pastebinit lts
[15:53] <hamitron> ty ali
[15:53] <ali1234> well i guess that answered the question anyway
[15:53] <hamitron> yeh
[15:53] <ali1234> would be nice if lts was synonym for whatever is current lts
[15:53] <hamitron> yep
[15:53] <ali1234> maybe whoever is in charge of the bot could implement that when they fix it for natty :)
[15:54] <reaper4334> Hi
[15:54] <hamitron> I suppose another thing is, if you have loads of synonym, it takes more keeping uptodate
[15:54] <ali1234> yeah
[15:54] <ali1234> looks like there are no synonyms in that list so maybe it's not even possible
[15:54] <oimon> !help
[15:55] <hamitron> !help help
[15:55] <ali1234> try msging it
[15:55] <oimon> go west: it is dark here; you were hit by a grue
[15:55] <ali1234> or perhaps go ask in #ubuntu-bots
[15:56] <HazRPG> oimon: xD
[15:56] <DJones> What is it you're trying to get out of the bot
[15:56] <hamitron> tbh, I think there are more worrying things than updating the bot
[15:56] <HazRPG> I might have to try pastebinit
[15:56] <hamitron> DJones: blood!
[15:56] <oimon> DJones: the !info command returns info on maverick packages by default instead of natty
[15:57] <DJones> Ah, not good
[15:57] <hamitron> like there is plenty of out dated documentation :/
[15:58] <hamitron> too much of it too :D
[16:01] <ali1234> !info pastebinit $curLTS
[16:01] <ali1234> curses
[16:02] <ali1234> the instructions lied to me
[16:04] <DJones> !info pastebinit
[16:05] <tsimpson> ali1234: !info and !find are not part of Encyclopedia
[16:07] <oimon> hp are making me hate them with their stupid cashback schemes
[16:26] <oimon> blip tv doesn't show how far into the video i am , and it permanently shows a pinwheel in the middle of the screen :(
[17:25] <aerocam> lovin 11.04... new to ubuntu too. Very impressed.
[17:28] <hamitron> bbl, thunder and lightening
[17:28] <mang0> Guys, I'm dual booting windows and ubuntu on two differnat HDDs. Grub lists windows, but if I try to boot it, I'm stuck on the underscore.....(white underscore on black background). Why is this?
[17:30] <aerocam> not sure...maybe grub is looking at a wrong drive
[17:36] <mang0> aerocam: sudo update-grub right?
[17:36] <mang0> to reconfigure it
[18:18] <AlanBell> anyone good with blender?
[18:27] <andylockran> xit
[18:27] <andylockran> exit
[18:47] <ali1234> AlanBell: i'm quite good with it
[19:00] <jacobw> evenig
[19:00] <jacobw> +n
[19:40] <zleap> do i need a specific package for a brother printer to display ink levels
[19:40] <zleap> ?
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> maybe
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> my HP shows them in the standard CUPS screen now
[20:05] <Seeker`> hai
[20:10] <jacobw> o/
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> howdy
[20:11] <Seeker`> Cameras are dangerous
[20:11] <Seeker`> they empty your bank balance
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> haha
[20:12] <Seeker`> Just bought a Canon 55-250mm lens
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: ah, yes, that will drain it a bit ;)
[20:13]  * MartijnVdS is looking for something at the "short" end
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> (my 18-55 broke, I'm left with a 35, 50 and a 75-300)
[20:16] <Seeker`> I've got the 18-55 kit lens, and a 50mm 1.8
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> 35/2, 50/1.4 and the cheap 75-300
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> the kit 18-55 broke
[20:19] <Seeker`> could always buy a new version of the kit lens?
[20:19] <Seeker`> What camera do you have?
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> a 350d and a 50d
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> yeah, but I want something "better"
[20:21]  * Seeker` has  a 500d
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> I'me thinking of getting the 20 f/2.8 or 28 f/2.8
[20:22] <Seeker`> looking for a prime specifically, or is a zoom possible
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> I love primes
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> My 50/1.4 is almost welded to the 50d body :)
[20:23] <Seeker`> Canon EF-S 17-55mm f2.8 IS USM ?
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> I've seen that one
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: it's a bit expensive, that one
[20:26] <Seeker`> will do the job of several cheaper primes though
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> the 10-22 looks nice
[20:27] <Seeker`> thats not much cheaper than the 17-55 :P
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> it's not :(
[20:29] <Seeker`> Also getting a lowepro fastpack 250 so I can take a camera with me wherever I go
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/
[20:30] <Seeker`> cool
[20:33] <zleap> sorry MartijnVdS got distracted
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> zleap: np
[20:34] <Myrtti> ♥ Olympus Pen E-PL1 ♥
[20:35] <zleap> i am trying to research what i need toget the ink level monitor working
[20:35] <zleap> i can seeit, just does not show ink levels
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> zleap: you need to get a "proper" PPD that explains to CUPS how to ask the printer for ink levels
[20:37] <zleap> ok i have the proper ppd file from brother,
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> zleap: then brother might not have added that feature
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> ah.. my printer is HP, and the HP driver is special/smart
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> no idea about generic postscript drivers
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> or a Brother driver
[20:40] <zleap> ah
[20:40] <zleap> i know brother is pretty well supported
[20:40] <zleap> drivers at least
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> you might have to write some code (release it!) to query ink levels
[20:41] <zleap> ok
[20:41] <gord> my printer has a meter on the hardware that tells me the ink levels, i just use that, never thought of looking on my computer
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> no idea :(
[20:41] <zleap> my brother printer does too
[20:41] <zleap> it would just be nice to have it working
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> gord: I saw an ink level display on a coworker's mac
[20:42] <gord> i wish you could tell the uds scheduler "there is nothing very interesting this our" so it could do a better job of keeping things interesting
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> it's integrated into the "PRint" dialog.. so you can see you need to add more yellow ink when you're printing a document
[20:42] <zleap> plus windows users would expect it to work
[20:42] <gord> MartijnVdS, i believe you, i would assume its on windows too, i wouldn't think of looking for one on those platforms either, i look on the hardware
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> zleap: try figuring out how CUPS gets ink levels
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> zleap: plug into that
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> gord: no on WIndows printer drivers are 2GB and are all different
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> they all come with manufacturer-specific apps
[20:43] <zleap> i havce no idea how to do that
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> zleap: http://cyberelk.net/tim/2009/01/14/reporting-ink-levels/
[20:45] <zleap> Libinklevel
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> does that integrate with cups?
[20:46] <zleap> not sure researching now
[20:46] <zleap> http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/123734
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-config-printer/+bug/599269
[20:51] <zleap> i am not sure if brother is supported not listed
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> probably not
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> unless it's a networked printer which does SNMP
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> (like my HP)
[20:52] <zleap> it is networked
[20:52] <zleap> however as its still not listed i will look for something that may work
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> is snmp enabled?
[20:56] <zleap> er
[20:56] <zleap> not sure
[21:05] <Myrtti> nice, ISP sent an SMS to warn that they're updating my ADSL settings and that my connection may drop
[21:05] <zleap> cool
[21:34] <NET||abuse> wow, main #ubuntu is noisefull
[21:35] <NET||abuse> having trouble with my theme after update from 10.10
[21:35] <NET||abuse> i'm stuck using what looks like clearlooks icons and color in the top bar, but i have selected ambience as the overall theme
[21:35] <NET||abuse> i tried selecting the icon set in the customize optino for ambience, but they don't seem to have any affect.
[21:37] <NET||abuse> also, tomboy won't use alt+F12 for it's menu shortcut key, although that's been a problem for me since 10.10
[21:37] <NET||abuse> at least on this machine
[21:41] <NET||abuse> D   E  D, the channel is dead, rest in peace :P
[21:42] <mgdm> CLEAR!
[21:42] <mgdm> *BZZZZZT*
[21:43] <NET||abuse> heh, there's gotta be some geek style eulogy
[21:43] <NET||abuse> with irc references,,
[21:43] <NET||abuse>   NET||abuse has left #life and shall forever idle in #afterlife
[21:44] <NET||abuse> so, back to Unity,, i kinda like the change.
[21:45] <NET||abuse> i thought i'd hate leaving the comfy utility  of gnome..
[21:45] <NET||abuse>  i'm not missing it the way i thought i would, a day in and the freshness of the change is still enjoyable.
[21:46] <NET||abuse> haven't looked gnome shell direction at all yet
[21:46] <NET||abuse> i liked the idea of coding up my widgets myself in javascript, but i also hate the idea of javascript being what native applications were based on.
[21:46] <NET||abuse> need the speed of C darn it.
[21:46] <mgdm> Well
[21:46] <mgdm> JS is much easier to code in than C
[21:47] <NET||abuse> specially on my netbook, thing really crawls along these days
[21:47] <mgdm> and the runtimes are getting a *load* of attention from the browser vendors
[21:47] <mgdm> so I'd say it was a reasonable choice
[21:47] <NET||abuse> yeh, of course, js, python, qtml, all a nice choice for easy entry to development
[21:48] <gord> javascript, python, C, C++, it all ends up being the same work anyway
[21:48] <gord> soon as you hit "oh, i can't do this with what is already made for me..."
[21:48] <NET||abuse> ..... gord,, yeh, what you drinking?
[21:49] <Seeker`> NET||abuse: huh?
[21:50] <NET||abuse> the point of failing utility is a different issue, if you code an app using js that doesn't have say, api access to your disk's SMART interface, then sure, you gotta drop to a lower level language.
[21:51] <NET||abuse> but for 90% of the applications you want to build, the dynamic languages like python or multi paradigm-ness of js will ease the burden of the sheer weight of coding the basest component parts of your applicaiton
[21:51] <NET||abuse> i don't envy C devs buliding their structs for every type they need to define.
[21:51] <NET||abuse> no thank you :P
[21:52] <Seeker`> Languages are tools. They each have their uses.
[21:52] <mgdm> didn't you just turn 180 degrees and start arguing the opposite point to what you started with?
[21:52] <NET||abuse> mgdm, nope, i just said i like the speed
[21:52] <NET||abuse> didn't say i wanted to build them :P
[21:52] <gord> you are over-simplfying the issue - it all ends up being the same work because the same work ends up being done, you may prefer one language but i know for example, i can code way faster in C than i can in JavaScript because thats what i know
[21:52] <NET||abuse> i like the idea of the ease of building my own widgets in JS,
[21:53] <mgdm> There are a bunch of things that are going to be not-all-that-much-faster when you drive them from C than when you drive them from JS/Python/Ruby/LOLCODE
[21:54] <mgdm> anything involving the disk, network, etc
[21:54] <NET||abuse> gord, hmm, well, if the precedent were set, then why don't more people don't build webapps etc in C :P
[21:54] <gord> NET||abuse, because browsers provide one language option
[21:54] <gord> javascript
[21:54] <gord> its the standard
[21:55] <NET||abuse> gord, we were beyond the js onhly argument, discussing the polyglot options
[21:56] <NET||abuse> when coding in any language, operations in memory will always be faster in C
[21:56] <gord> you suggested webapps, webapps can only be coded in javascript
[21:56] <NET||abuse> gord, .... that's a very ambiguous definition of web apps.
[21:56] <mgdm> I'd consider what I do at work to be webaps, and they're in PHP...
[21:57] <gord> that would be a backend
[21:57] <NET||abuse> yup, PHP and pythong for me :)
[21:57] <NET||abuse> gord, yes, but the webapp needs a backend,
[21:57] <popey> pythong th th th thong!
[21:57] <NET||abuse> whoop whoop
[21:57] <NET||abuse> shake that python
[21:57] <NET||abuse> shake that pythong
[21:57] <mgdm> back end, yes, but the front end has no JS for quite a lot of it, but it's still a web app :) </pedant>
[21:57] <mgdm> I'll shut up now
[21:57] <gord> people code backends in C, not everyone, but some people, if it suits them - more power to them
[21:57] <gord> it all ends up being the same work.
[21:58] <NET||abuse> that statement irks me
[21:58] <Seeker`> It all ends up as assembly
[21:58] <NET||abuse> oh god, the lack of nuance, somebody shoot me
[21:59]  * Seeker` shoots NET||abuse
[21:59]  * NET||abuse escapes happily in death
[21:59] <Seeker`> interpreters don't have to be slow

[22:00] <Seeker`> some languages have more overhead than others
[22:00] <Seeker`> but they can all be compiled down to assembly if you wish
[22:00] <gord> you can make the case that mono is actually faster than compiled code
[22:01] <NET||abuse> anyway, my theme is broke, anyone know how to get the icons/top bar back to ambiance defaults?
[22:01] <NET||abuse> mine seems stuck by some pre-existing config from gnome of something
[22:01] <NET||abuse> weird that unity is affected this way.
[22:03] <gord> we just grab the current theme to theme the panel, chances are gnome settings daemon dyed
[22:03] <gord> died
[22:04] <WinterWeaver> If I create a cronjob with @hourly, when does that hour cycle start? The moment I save the crontab, or exactly on the hour?
[22:04] <mgdm> on the hour
[22:05] <WinterWeaver> thx mgdm
[22:05] <NET||abuse> gord, not sure if that's the case, i created a test user, loged in as that user, all the theme's work correctly, then logged back in as myself, and the same issues remain on my pre-11.04 user account (updating since 9.10 i think)
[22:06] <NET||abuse> and still i can't use alt-F12 for tomboy,, gosh darn it!! :P
[22:07] <popey> oooo
[22:07] <popey> never noticed that
[22:07] <popey> is there a bug filed?
[22:07] <NET||abuse> dunno, haven't searched for it yet.
[22:07] <NET||abuse> will do now though
[22:07] <NET||abuse> should that be under unity or tomboy though i wonder.
[22:08] <NET||abuse> that said, now unreproduceable due to upgrading, but i was having the same issue during my 10.10 gnome sessions
[22:08] <NET||abuse> my netbook is too slow :(
[22:19] <NET||abuse> hmm, there's a question, are the shortcut keys gnome only, so the unity has it's own settings manager
[22:24] <gord> which bit is the bit with the question?
[22:24] <popey> gord has been on the beer, he's edgy tonight.
[22:24] <popey> Sorry, I mean feisty
[22:25] <mgdm> gutsy, even
[22:28] <gord> no no, i mean, i didn't understand the question
[22:29] <gord> rephrase and i can potentially help :)
[22:36] <Azelphur> hmm, in GIMP when I rotate a image, it messes up the colors. How do I stop it from doing that? :S
[22:36] <Azelphur> like if I rotate a white line, it becomes grey and faded :S
[22:36] <mgdm> it's antialiasing it
[22:36] <mgdm> I expect
[22:37] <Azelphur> fun, I wonder how I'd stop it from doing that
[22:38] <Azelphur> mgdm, got it, there's an interolation dropdown xD
[22:38] <Azelphur> popey, if your interested, I'm trying to do something like this http://blog.brixandersen.dk/wp-content/uploads/conky.png for the M1730 :D
[22:38] <mgdm> Azelphur: ah, cool
[22:38] <mgdm> and, shiny
[22:38] <mgdm> do one for a Thinkpad R500? :P
[22:39] <Azelphur> haha, I didn't draw the original, and I'm actually a terrible artist this is the first thing I've actually drawn...well ever xD
[22:39] <Azelphur> but it's coming out quite nicely
[22:41] <Azelphur> mgdm, I just took a photo of my laptop and started going over the edges in gimp with the line tool, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/May%202011/2011-05-09-224028_1920x1200_scrot.png
[22:41] <Azelphur> mgdm, then you just toggle visibility of the layer with the photo in it, and you get http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/May%202011/2011-05-09-224020_1920x1200_scrot.png
[22:42] <mgdm> Ah yes
[22:42] <Azelphur> it's coming out way better than I thought I'd achieve, haha
[22:42] <mgdm> I've done similar things in Inkscape
[22:43] <gord> inkscape is prolly better suited for line drawing
[22:43] <Azelphur> fun
[22:43] <Azelphur> but yea just gotta go painstakingly over each and every key xD
[22:43] <Azelphur> and then it should look good \o/
[22:44] <gord> inkscape does have a trace thing that can create a line drawing of images, but its way more sketchy than you might like i think
[22:45] <mgdm> Azelphur: for amusement value, try duplicating that photo layer and run the Canny edge detector on it
[22:45] <Azelphur> that's interesting, I'll try that and see what it comes up with, maybe I could touch it up :p
[22:45]  * mgdm wonders if tha'ts what GIMP calls it, it's certainly the name of the algorithm
[22:46] <Azelphur> haha, no idea how to do that
[22:46] <Azelphur> yw to a copy of the photo if you want it xD
[22:47] <mgdm> Azelphur: aye, go on :)
[22:47] <Azelphur> mgdm, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/May%202011/IMG_20110509_005536.jpg
[22:48] <mgdm> Hmm, GIMP doesn't call it that
[22:48]  * mgdm does some C and some OpenCV
[22:49] <Azelphur> o.O
[22:49] <Azelphur> gord, do you know where the inkscape trace thing is?
[22:49] <mgdm> darn
[22:50] <mgdm> can't ind the code I need
[22:50] <mgdm> never mind :)
[22:50] <Azelphur> lol
[22:50] <mgdm> Inkscape can probably do something better itself
[22:50] <Azelphur> I assume it's a filter, there's so many xD
[22:51] <Azelphur> woa
[22:51] <Azelphur> inkscape does do a surprisingly good job of this
[22:51] <mgdm> I was trying to find the thing that did http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/198522_10150151425792297_514797296_6723701_2092911_n.jpg
[22:51] <mgdm> Azelphur: aye, it's usually a good start, needs a little tidying though
[22:52] <Azelphur> yea it would need a lot of tidying
[22:53] <Azelphur> I might try and steal it's representation of the keyboard, that'd save me a lot of time :P
[22:53] <mgdm> hehe
[22:53] <mgdm> g'night
[22:54] <Azelphur> night xD
[22:55] <Azelphur> gord, inkscape doesn't seem to support saving as a format that would be loadable as a wallpaper, :(
[22:56] <gord> Azelphur, svg is loadable as a wallpaper. but if you export you can save as png
[22:57] <gord> svg is just nicer because its resolution independent
[22:57] <Azelphur> oh, I see :)
[22:59] <AlanBell> SVG is sort of loadable as wallpaper
[23:01] <AlanBell> you can request an SVG as wallpaper and it converts it to a PNG of some resolution that doesn't neccessarily match your screen and displays that
[23:01] <AlanBell> it doesn't actually render SVG on the background
[23:02] <gord> well it does :) svg is an xml file, rendering it is the process of turning it in to pixels. but it used to match screen resolution, i guess it doesn't now?
[23:02] <gord> been a while since i have done that, but it certainly used to
[23:03] <AlanBell> svg does funky stuff like javascript and animations :)
[23:05] <AlanBell> I haven't tried it for a while I think it got the resolution based on the declared size of the SVG in inches or something
[23:05] <gord> yeah you can, interesting that no one has really ever done that
[23:06] <AlanBell> I just realised once that you could do an svg wallpaper, but it turned out to be a less exciting discovery than I had hoped
[23:06] <gord> ted gould has a cool inkscape -> web page presentation tool, so instead of using boring OO.o for presentations he gets these nifty svg+js animated ones
[23:06] <AlanBell> I think DoctorMo's dynamic wallpapers were based on that
[23:06] <AlanBell> yeah, I have seen that
[23:07] <AlanBell> but the dynamic wallpapers only update on restart or daily or something
[23:10] <AlanBell> heh, fun discovery with unity :)
[23:10] <AlanBell> I have a laptop (screen1) with unity sidebar
[23:10] <AlanBell> I have a monitor (screen2) to the left
[23:11] <AlanBell> to pop out the sidebar on the left of screen 1 I have to hold the mouse at the left edge of screen2 then race 2048 pixels over to the right before it fades again
[23:12] <AlanBell> actually it doesn't fade while I am to the left of it
[23:13] <gord> heh yeah
[23:13] <gord> we don't really support having the monitor on the left of the springboard


[01:07] <jcastro> jono: ping
[01:07] <jcastro> did you happen to go to Clint's ensemble talk?
[03:33] <jcastro> doctormo: YEARLING
[03:39] <czajkowski> stupid not being able to sleep grrrr
[03:39] <jcastro> word
[03:42] <czajkowski> jcastro: ello
[03:42] <czajkowski> it's 4:42am here
[03:42] <jcastro> hi2u!
[03:42] <czajkowski> and i have to get up at 6am :/
[03:50] <doctormo> jcastro: Hey!
[03:51] <doctormo> Yearling?
[03:51] <jcastro> doctormo: you got a silver badge on AU today
[03:51] <jcastro> for being around for a year
[03:51] <jcastro> congrats, you're a pillar, etc. etc.
[03:51] <doctormo> Has it really been a year, wow
[03:52] <doctormo> I'm a a pillow you mean, soft, and comfortable. ;-)
[03:52] <czajkowski> jcastro: would it be ok to upload my talk from community week on stuff to AU ?
[03:52] <czajkowski> jcastro: that year flew
[03:53] <czajkowski> i remember when  we were trying to get people to sign up and the whinging for a another place to add content, but it's worked out soo well.
[03:53] <jcastro> czajkowski: for sure
[03:53] <jcastro> where's the raw data?
[03:53] <jcastro> we'd need to format it to be question and answer
[03:53] <czajkowski> jcastro: i have it in a tomboy notes
[03:53] <jcastro> doctormo: we couldn't have done it without you
[03:54] <jcastro> doctormo: btw, your last blog post, could have totally been Q+A
[03:54] <jcastro> don't worry though, we're working on a widget so you can have the data be on AU but embed it in a blog post.
[03:54] <doctormo> jcastro: Yeah, you said :-P I fumbled the ask.
[03:54] <jcastro> czajkowski: is it an IRC log? like question + answer, over and over?
[03:54] <jcastro> doctormo: we can move it over now
[03:55] <jcastro> I can do it for you if you'd like
[03:55] <jcastro> only need your permission
[03:55] <doctormo> Thanks for the +1 though, much appreciated. Just make a new question on AU right?
[03:55] <czajkowski> jcastro: no  all me and i link to the logs where tey are 2/3 questions
[03:55] <jcastro> doctormo: yeah, just pretend you're on jeopardy
[03:55] <jcastro> czajkowski: pastebin it and I'll help you on it
[03:56] <czajkowski> jcastro: tis cool i'll do it over the weekend, and work it out thanks
[03:56] <czajkowski> just heading off now
[03:57] <jcastro> czajkowski: or just fwd it to me, I'll do it for you if you want
[03:57] <jcastro> but don't let me delay a trip to the pub!
[03:57] <jcastro> god knows I need one down here!
[03:57] <doctormo> http://askubuntu.com/questions/54950/what-ubuntu-versions-are-still-supported
[03:58] <czajkowski> jcastro: http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/07/22/preparing-for-approval-and-re-approval-dos-and-donts/
[03:58] <czajkowski> jcastro: http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/07/21/an-overview-of-loco-guidance/
[04:00] <jcastro> czajkowski: cool, gimme a day or so
[04:00] <jcastro> doctormo: I reworded it to mean programatically
[04:00] <czajkowski> jcastro: cheers
[04:00] <jcastro> as opposed to "check this wiki page dude"
[04:00] <jcastro> since you wanted to check it from a script right?
[04:01] <doctormo> jcastro: Yes
[04:01] <doctormo> Special bonus question: http://askubuntu.com/questions/54951/if-ive-signed-the-canonical-contributors-agreement-do-i-have-to-sign-the-new-ha
[04:02] <doctormo> Thanks for the reword :-)
[04:04] <jcastro> hmm, I don't know that one
[04:04] <jcastro> you might want to CC bacon and/or amanda on that one
[07:27] <kim0> Morning everyone
[08:26] <dpm> good morning all
[11:07] <duanedesign> morning all
[11:10] <popey> hi duanedesign
[11:14] <Pendulum> hiya duanedesign
[11:18] <nigelb> hey popey
[12:50] <mhall119> morning
[13:49] <cjohnston> mornin
[14:52] <jcastro> popey: you about?
[15:03] <jcastro> Joeb454: around?
[17:50] <popey> jcastro: yo
[17:50] <jcastro> popey: hey so Joeb454 sent me a mail that the old archives are no unindexed
[17:50] <jcastro> but google doesn't seem to have caught up yet
[17:50] <jcastro> so if you're bored and want to try random searches over the next few days and lmk that would be swell
[17:52] <popey> what does that achieve?
[17:53] <jcastro> theoretically it shouldn't return something from like 2007, etc.
[17:53] <AlanBell> archives of what?
[17:54] <popey> how far back are we talking?
[17:54] <popey> AlanBell: crusty ubuntu forums posts from the past
[17:54] <AlanBell> ah, I was thinking repos
[18:00] <AlanBell> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/robots.txt
[18:00] <AlanBell> what makes them think it won't be indexed?
[18:07] <jcastro> AlanBell: right, that's what I wanted to check
[18:09] <AlanBell> normally to unindex stuff from google you set the robots.txt up and when the googlebot next slurps up your content it will remove all the stuff it shouldn't have any more
[18:10] <AlanBell> they may have done it some other way that I don't know of
[18:10]  * jcastro nods
[18:34] <jcastro> omg jono
[18:34] <jcastro> http://youtu.be/jjvy_jzGlAQ
[18:34] <jcastro> open source air DRUMS
[18:34] <jono> checking
[18:37] <jono> that is awesome :-)
[18:37] <jcastro> I was thinking "ok I am making that"
[18:37] <jcastro> but towards the end it looks complicated
[19:27] <jcastro> jono: any word from david nielsen?
[19:31] <jono> jcastro, none yet, I reminded him
[19:32] <jono> grabbing lunch
[19:32] <jono> brb
[19:38] <Joeb454> jcastro: I'm around now
[19:39] <jcastro> hi
[19:39] <jcastro> Joeb454: the ping was before I sent you that mail
[19:39] <Joeb454> hello :) I thought it may have been, but just in case it wasn't, thought I'd better check
[19:41] <paultag> heyya Joeb454
[19:41] <jcastro> Joeb454: so how does the deindexing work? AlanBell was checking out the robots.txt
[19:44] <Joeb454> hey paultag
[19:45] <Joeb454> jcastro: well from what I've read, we simply don't allow people who aren't registered to view the forum, and Google de-indexes it. I'm a little skeptical, but willing to give it a go
[19:45] <Joeb454> but it's been what, a month now, since we made that change, and it's still not had an effect
[19:47] <jcastro> oh wait, you made the change a month ago?
[19:49] <Joeb454> near as, yeah. Think it might be 3 weeks
[19:49] <jcastro> hmm, their bot can't possibly be that slow
[19:50] <Joeb454> that's what I thought
[19:52] <jcastro> is there a way to turn that on for like one subforum or something? And see if it works?
[19:53] <AlanBell> http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=164734
[19:57] <jcastro> that appears to be for like when something is really wrong
[19:58] <jcastro> https://sites.google.com/site/webmasterhelpforum/en/faq--crawling--indexing---ranking#remove-content
[19:58] <jcastro> aha!
[19:59] <jcastro> http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=93710
[19:59] <jcastro> so basically, we add that to any page that is an archive page right?
[20:01] <Joeb454> jcastro: afaik, that's not really feasible
[20:03] <Joeb454> there could be a way to conditionally enter it, but that'd require messing with vbulletin templates, which I know technoviking (and most of the FC) are keen to get away from, because doing that makes upgrades a PITA
[20:03] <jcastro> yeah
[20:03] <jcastro> hmm
[20:03] <jcastro> what about just modifying the site-wide robots.txt?
[20:12] <jcastro> hmm
[20:12] <jcastro> it's totally dumb that vbulletin doesn't have this feature ootb
[20:14] <jcastro> If I'm ever at a bar, and guy comes up to me and is like "Hi, my name is Bob, I work on vbulletin" I'm just going to pour a beer in his lap.
[20:15] <Joeb454> haha, be my guest
[20:16] <Joeb454> jcastro: IS asked us what rule we'd want in the robots.txt (I emailed about it this week), I need to look into it a little more, I don't know whether adding each forum would work. Hopefully I'll have some time over the weekend to take a look
[20:16] <jcastro> I am checking to see if you can do date based things in robots
[20:16] <jcastro> "Anything older than 5 years" or something
[20:28] <jono> mhall119, howdy
[22:48] <mhall119> jono: evening
[22:48] <jono> hey mhall119
[22:48] <jono> hows things?
[22:48] <mhall119> busy
[22:48] <mhall119> how was oscon?
[23:03] <jono> mhall119, it was good, exausting, good to be back
[23:03] <jono> mhall119, cjohnston showed me some of the work on the blogging support in the LTP, looks like it is going well
[23:04] <jono> I am going to see if I can get some EC2 storage funded for some limited testing
[23:16] <mhall119> jono: awesome, I have an ec2 account, so if you can just get approval for me to get reimbursement I'll host it
[23:17] <jono> mhall119,  what do you estimate the costs will be?
[23:17] <mhall119> not much, a micro instance on full time is baout $15/month
[23:17] <mhall119> if we only bring it up for testing before a release, it'll be less than that
[23:20] <jcastro> mhall119: there's a blanket EC2 reimbursement policy somewhere on the wiki
[23:21] <jcastro> My bill is up to a whopping 54 cents, heh
[23:21] <cjohnston> jcastro: thats expensive
[23:21] <jono> lets do this
[23:21] <jono> I am happy to +1 it
[23:21] <jono> lets just keep it for limited testing so it doesn't get crazy
[23:22] <jcastro> make sure you set up an EBS thing if you want persistant storage
[23:22] <jono> mhall119, would you be happy to deploy an instance and let me know when it is up?
[23:24] <mhall119> sure
[23:24] <jono> thanks!
[23:25] <jcastro> ok done!
[23:26]  * jcastro grins at his brand new instance
[23:26] <jcastro> mhall119: what are you setting up?
[23:26] <cjohnston> wow.. jcastro says done, and jono goes bye bye
[23:26] <cjohnston> jcastro: loco directory and summit
[23:27] <jcastro> ensemble formulas for those would be awesome
[23:27] <jcastro> then we'd never have to do it again!
[23:27]  * cjohnston thinks jcastro should get to work on that ;-)
[23:27] <jcastro> well, do you have like a deployment script for it?
[23:27] <mhall119> jcastro: +1 on ensemble
[23:27] <mhall119> jcastro: would you like to help make that happen?
[23:28] <jcastro> I've never done one before and I'm worthless, but I can help!
[23:28] <mhall119> jcastro: the current deployment script is "Hey RT, please update this"
[23:28] <mhall119> is that enough?
[23:28] <jcastro> hah no
[23:28] <jcastro> like, you bzr pull it
[23:28] <jcastro> then what?
[23:28] <jcastro> what's it need, mysql?
[23:28] <cjohnston> ./manage migrate
[23:28] <mhall119> postgres
[23:28] <cjohnston> postgres
[23:28] <jcastro> ok
[23:29] <jcastro> that's it, ./manage migrate?
[23:29] <mhall119> there are some other ./manage commands
[23:29] <mhall119> especially for initial deployment
[23:29] <jcastro> ok, so put those in order in an etherpad or something
[23:29] <jcastro> and I'll get started right now
[23:30] <cjohnston> mhall119: jcastro http://pad.ubuntu.com/BaSLqQuo7d
[23:31] <jcastro> basically, if you can script it to deploy all at once ensemble can just automate it
[23:37] <mhall119> jcastro: the fun part is getting the DB information through ensemble to Django
[23:37] <jcastro> yeah, one step at a time, heh
[23:37] <mhall119> though I suppose since we'll be running the db locally, we don't have to do that
[23:40] <jcastro> do you guys have the deps for summit handy?
[23:41] <cjohnston> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~summit-hackers/summit/trunk/view/head:/requirements.txt
[23:41] <mhall119> jcastro: I put the apt-get install line in the pad
[23:42] <mhall119> these will need to be Lucid servers
[23:42] <jcastro> ta
[23:42] <jcastro> and we need apache too I take it?
[23:43] <cjohnston> mhall119: is feedparser on cranberry already?
[23:43] <mhall119> to make a proper staging env, yes
[23:43] <mhall119> cjohnston: most likely not
[23:44] <cjohnston> I guess I'll go on and file an RT on that mhall119 so that it will hopefully be ready when we are
[23:46] <mhall119> jcastro: what is a2enmod?
[23:46] <cjohnston> adding a module to apache
[23:46] <jcastro> enables the apache module for whatever
[23:46] <cjohnston> similar to a2ensite
[23:47] <cjohnston> mhall119: what else for loco directory
[23:48] <jcastro> libapache2-mod-python
[23:48] <jcastro> we need that right?
[23:50] <cjohnston> i have no idea
[23:50] <cjohnston> mhall119: ?
[23:51] <jcastro> god google is worthless sometimes
[23:51] <mhall119> jcastro: not sure if it's using mod_python or mod_wsgi
[23:51] <jcastro> all I want to know is what "a2enmod blah" should be for python
[23:51] <mhall119> jcastro: just apt-get install usually works
[23:51] <jcastro> oh ok
[23:51] <mhall119> I'm pretty sure it'll put it into mods-enabled
[23:52] <jcastro> k
[23:52] <jcastro> I'll know when I test it, heh
[23:53] <mhall119> jcastro: do you have access to cranberry?
[23:53] <jcastro> nope
[23:53] <mhall119> ok, loco-directory uses mod_python
[23:53] <mhall119> summit uses mod_wsgi
[23:53] <mhall119> :(
[23:54] <jcastro> libapache2-mod-wsgi-py3
[23:54] <jcastro> got it
[23:54]  * jcastro shakes fist in the general direction of Keybuk
[23:55] <jcastro> ok, ready to try it in a vm
[23:55]  * jcastro testdrives and hits sync
[23:55] <jcastro> https://ensemble.ubuntu.com/docs/write-formula.html
[23:55] <jcastro> I will need help with db-relation-changed
[23:55] <jcastro> start, stop, and install are done
[23:56] <mhall119> jcastro: that looks like it's for python3, which isn't what we want
[23:56] <mhall119> jcastro: libapache2-mod-wsgi
[23:56] <jcastro> ah, lucid, right
[23:57] <jcastro> this is fun!
[23:57] <mhall119> :/
[23:57] <mhall119> jcastro: you gonna come to our global jam?
[23:57] <jcastro> probably
[23:57] <mhall119> \o/
[23:57] <jcastro> I need to see what our car situation is, etc.
[23:58] <mhall119> statik will probably come again too
[23:58] <cjohnston> i need to start calling a few places
[23:59] <cjohnston> jcastro: im headed to the keys in a month