[07:09] <CU> Hi - Will you please see if you can load the samsung.com web site properly using fiesty & fiesty's firefox, & tell me your result? Thanks.  It's not displaying properly for me on this fiesty install.
[07:50] <Admiral_Chicago> CU: its a known bug with Flash + HTML
[07:51] <CU> Admiral_Chicago: So, this is something Macromedia Flash Adobe have to fix?
[07:51] <Admiral_Chicago> CU: not sure, there is a bug about rendering flash over HTML
[07:51] <CU> Admiral_Chicago: Er, my friend uxsing OSX says he doesn't see the problem
[07:52] <Admiral_Chicago> probably a bug we need to fix on our builds.
[07:52] <Admiral_Chicago> our guys are asleep now
[07:53] <CU> Admiral_Chicago: so, is it something with linux (not osx?) -- should I report this to someone? Firefox?  Surely Samsung (a major company) wouldn't leave this up if it didn't work with major browsers (firefox, windowsExplorer), true?
[07:53] <Admiral_Chicago> CU: give me a second
[07:53] <CU> Admiral_Chicago: So, should I email someone, or will you pass the bug report on to the fixers?
[07:54] <CU> Admiral_Chicago: here's some url's of screenshots: http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8278/samsugcomproductsfirefoju5.png http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/197/samsugcomproductsmenuovyv9.png
[07:56] <Admiral_Chicago> CU: see bug #49613
[07:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 49613 in flashplugin-nonfree "flash plugin always rendered on top of html" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/49613
[07:56] <Admiral_Chicago> leave a comment
[07:57] <Admiral_Chicago> CU: probably firefox's linux implementation of Flash content
[07:57] <Admiral_Chicago> its being worked on by Mozilla
[09:06] <asac_the_2nd> hi
[09:06] <asac_the_2nd> anyone here?
[09:07] <Admiral_Chicago> no
[09:07] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm hiding in a cave
[09:07] <Admiral_Chicago> and watching my roomate sleep
[09:07] <asac_the_2nd> hehe
[09:08] <asac_the_2nd> Admiral_Chicago:  hey ... do you have logs and see when my main account went offline?
[09:08] <Admiral_Chicago> asac_the_2nd: let me check
[09:10] <Admiral_Chicago> my computer is crapping out on me, give me a second
[09:11] <asac_the_2nd> sure
[09:11] <Admiral_Chicago> 03:58 -!- asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac]  has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
[09:11] <Admiral_Chicago> on the day of...--- Day changed Fri May 04 2007
[09:12] <asac_the_2nd> hmmm
[09:12] <asac_the_2nd> ok .... sad thing
[09:12] <Admiral_Chicago> actually --- Day changed Sat May 05 2007
[09:12] <asac_the_2nd> greetz from seville anyway :-D
[09:12] <Admiral_Chicago> that was the day
[09:12] <asac_the_2nd> yeah ... its always the same
[09:12] <asac_the_2nd> as soon as i am gone ... everything breaks
[09:12] <Admiral_Chicago> asac_the_2nd: i saw you on the schedule
[09:13] <Admiral_Chicago> during the sessions
[09:13] <Admiral_Chicago> looks to be very busy
[09:15] <Admiral_Chicago> okay dvd ripping is making me upset, I'm going to bed
[09:25] <asac_the_2nd> night
[10:39] <hjmf> howdy asac_the_2nd !
[10:40] <asac_the_2nd> yeah great :)
[10:40] <hjmf> Is nice Sevilla?
[10:40] <asac_the_2nd> definitly
[10:40] <asac_the_2nd> beautiful city
[10:40] <asac_the_2nd> :)
[10:40] <asac_the_2nd> and hot ;)
[10:40] <hjmf> yeah
[10:40] <asac_the_2nd> though not in the basement where we sit all day :)
[10:40] <hjmf> good
[10:40] <asac_the_2nd> anyway ... my home system is down ... quit unfortunate
[10:41] <asac_the_2nd> best thing is that i don't get any bugmails ;)
[10:41] <hjmf> :)
[10:41] <hjmf> It has been pretty quiet here though
[10:41] <asac_the_2nd> but it sucks ... system went down 6 hours after me leaving
[10:41] <asac_the_2nd> really?
[10:42] <hjmf> yes, I didn't saw you around here yesterday
[10:42] <hjmf> not sure the day before
[10:42] <hjmf> I don't have all the logs
[10:42] <asac_the_2nd> yes we found it was sat 2000
[10:42] <hjmf> :/
[10:42] <asac_the_2nd> went i left and wass never seen again
[10:42] <hjmf> gnomefreak hasn't been around either
[10:42] <asac_the_2nd> i think its unlikely that i can read my mails this week :/
[10:43] <asac_the_2nd> yes gnomefreak is still travelling i guess
[10:43] <hjmf> nobody can switch it on?
[10:43] <asac_the_2nd> should be back tomorrow
[10:43] <hjmf> I see
[10:43] <asac_the_2nd>  actually i doubt that my system is really down
[10:43] <asac_the_2nd> its more like the modem crashed
[10:43] <asac_the_2nd> crappy techs
[10:43] <hjmf> oops
[10:43] <asac_the_2nd> you have voip?
[10:43] <hjmf> no
[10:44] <hjmf> I've seen the howtos
[10:44] <asac_the_2nd> ah ... you can dial in each room here ;)
[10:44] <hjmf> noticed
[10:44] <hjmf> It's been busy
[10:44] <hjmf> ?
[10:44] <asac_the_2nd> on the line?
[10:44] <hjmf> the summit?
[10:44] <asac_the_2nd> no ... i think yesterday there was someone dialed in
[10:44] <asac_the_2nd> ah ... yes ... its really busy here
[10:44] <asac_the_2nd> lots of people ... lots of topics
[10:45] <asac_the_2nd> little sleep :)
[10:45] <hjmf> sorry to hear? .
[10:45] <hjmf> well I'm sure you are getting lots of fun there!
[10:45] <asac_the_2nd> yes ;) ... but really exhausting :)
[10:46] <hjmf> no time for a beer and tapas at triana?
[10:46] <asac_the_2nd> sure ... in the evening.
[10:46] <hjmf> then everything is OK
[10:46] <asac_the_2nd> right ;)
[10:49] <hjmf> have fun asac_the_2nd !
[10:49] <hjmf> cu
[10:50] <asac_the_2nd> hjmf: cu :)
[03:19] <asac_the_2nd> hey
[03:22] <bluekuja> asac_the_2nd, yoo
[03:24] <asac_the_2nd> ola ;)
[03:24] <bluekuja> how are you man?
[03:25] <bluekuja> how its going there?
[03:25] <asac_the_2nd> pretty exciting ... but of course exhausting as well
[03:25] <asac_the_2nd> anyway ... feel bad about my system at home
[03:25] <bluekuja> :D
[03:25] <asac_the_2nd> hasn't been up for 2 days now
[03:25] <bluekuja> awww
[03:25] <asac_the_2nd> or have i been online the last few hours?
[03:25] <bluekuja> mmmm...no
[03:26] <bluekuja> alwais off
[03:26] <asac_the_2nd> you see 'asac' joining or leaving lately
[03:26] <asac_the_2nd> hmm
[03:26] <asac_the_2nd> sad
[03:26] <asac_the_2nd> no mail no nothing :(
[03:26] <bluekuja> the last time I saw you is the day you were leaving
[03:27] <asac_the_2nd> yes ... it really socks
[03:27] <bluekuja> yep
[03:27] <bluekuja> ^^
[08:58] <jovans> hello
[08:58] <jovans> i am searching for thunderbird2 for feisty would be a backport avalible?
 i am searching for thunderbird2 for feisty would be a backport avalible?
[10:43] <hjmf> take a look to bug 107691
[10:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107691 in mozilla-thunderbird "thunderbird 2.0 is out of the oven" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107691
[10:43] <hjmf> hope this helps
[10:44] <gnomefreak> hjmf: not likely
[10:44] <gnomefreak> as i commented on the bug
[10:44] <jovans> ok
[10:44] <jovans> thank u
[10:44] <hjmf> joejaxx: np
[10:45] <hjmf> gnomefreak:  good night ;)
[10:45] <hjmf> jovans: np
[10:46] <gnomefreak> night
[10:46] <gnomefreak> anyone seen asac? is he gone all week due to UDS
[10:57] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: asac was online this afternoon :)
[10:57] <bluekuja> he was feeling bad for his system
[10:57] <bluekuja> at home
[10:58] <gnomefreak> maybe hell get board
[10:58] <bluekuja> :D
[11:10] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: asac's machines at home went down
[11:10] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:11] <gnomefreak> i can wait a week than :)
[11:11] <Admiral_Chicago> he's checking in and out as asac_the_2nd while at UDS
[11:11] <gnomefreak> thank you im out for now


[20:17] <ohcanada> hello. question related to kernel 5.4 and nvidia-340 support. i have some old quadro 170M and g210 machines which currently use nvidia-340 on bionic-hwe, kernel 5.3. will nvidia-340 continue to be supported on 20.04, after nvidia said they will no longer support 340 driver? if this is the wrong place, where do i ask? thanks [already asked in #ubuntu-kernel, sent here]
[20:20] <mamarley> tseliot: tjaalton: You guys were discussing this a few days ago.^
[20:20] <ohcanada> thx
[21:05] <tjaalton> ohcanada: well, it's possible that the stock xserver will be upgraded to a newer version which breaks the driver abi, so when that happens the nvidia driver would get uninstalled
[21:05] <ohcanada> right
[21:06] <tjaalton> previously any updates have been provided as a separate HWE stack
[21:06] <tjaalton> well not any updates, but backports from lts+1/2/3/4
[21:06] <tjaalton> mesa is already a rolling update on lts
[21:07] <ohcanada> i don't really want hew in 20.04, just nvidia-340 support for 5 years. is that too much to ask? :)
[21:07] <ohcanada> *hwe
[21:07] <tjaalton> renaming it as -hwe-nn.nn was just too painful
[21:08] <tjaalton> well, maybe there could be a 'legacy' stack.. dunno. or an external source with the old xserver
[21:08] <tjaalton> but all of this would be for a single driver
[21:09] <ohcanada> a single driver that covers *lots* of legacy machines
[21:09] <ohcanada> obviously i can switch to nouveau. but i kinda got used to proprietary
[21:10] <ohcanada> anyways thanks for your input
[21:11] <tjaalton> it's not clear yet what'll happen, maybe in 6mo
[21:14] <ohcanada> roger that
[21:45] <tjaalton> I'm not sure what's the feature diff these days between the blob and nouveau.. especially for older hw like that


[00:29]  * penguin42 wonders what the subscript 1 is next to the En on the language selector
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> would trusty testbuild, update itself to alpha in december?
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> or should i redownload the alpha and start from there?
[09:18] <mar77i> the subscript 1 next to the En is showing you that you see the English version for people who are afraid of zero based numbering
[09:29] <mar77i> hmm. how are services restarted on tipsy twoodles?
[09:41] <rupert>  /j #gnome-shell
[12:20] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all


[06:35] <silv3r_m00n> is it possible to put the nvidia drivers into the kernel ? what happens is that when i boot, the grub screen and kubuntu welcome screen, all have very poor resolutions
[10:44] <spanner3003> hi im having problems booting ubuntu 14.04 with kernels 3.13 and 3.14 but it boots with 3.11
[10:46] <spanner3003> i'm on a hp530 laptop runner ubuntu thrugh wubi on windows 8 ubuntu 13.10 upgrade
[15:23] <gQuigs> was wondering if there were any status updates on this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1403-hwe-stack-eol-notifications
[15:24] <rtg> ogasawara, ^^
[15:24] <ogasawara> gQuigs: not yet, we're having a meeting next week
[15:24] <ogasawara> gQuigs: am happy to add you to the invite if you like
[15:25] <gQuigs> ogasawara: please do
[15:44] <jsalisbury> rtg, ogasawara, Should we still have the kernel team meeting tomorrow?  Some cycles we don't have meetings until the next UDS after a release.
[15:44] <rtg> jsalisbury, I'd say lets wait until nextweek
[15:45] <jsalisbury> rtg, ack
[20:14] <trippeh_> Hm. Any grub-folk in here? #526045 seems to have re-surfaced in Trusty.


[17:55] <Unit193> We, again, don't care about UOS right?
[17:56] <knome> Unit193, and because we don't care, we have an agenda item for it?
[17:56] <Unit193> knome: Shush, you. ;P
[17:57] <Unit193> knome: And, nah, wasn't aware of that yet.
[17:57] <knome> i can ping balloons if you want to volunteer running a session
[17:57] <knome> oops, i already did
[17:57] <knome> hai balloons!
[17:57] <Unit193> Just happend to see a message about it.
[17:58] <knome> balloons can tell you more about running a session
[17:58] <Unit193> That's fine, though I won't personally be running one.
[17:58] <knome> sure?
[17:59] <Unit193> Very.
[17:59] <knome> even if you get a cookie?
[17:59] <knome> (from microsoft's website)
[18:04] <balloons> <3
[18:04] <balloons> I'm happy to inform, never coerce or force :-)
[18:04] <Unit193> Howdy.
[18:05] <knome> luckily, i'm not you ;)=
[18:06] <elfy> lol
[18:06] <elfy> so balloons comes by to hang with the really cool kids
[18:06] <Unit193> Oooh, elfy is going to do one?
[18:07] <elfy> behind the bikesheds ... I note that mhall119 sneaks about in here too and even reconnects :p
[18:07] <Unit193> Several oddities are.
[18:07] <elfy> <-
[18:08]  * balloons briefly considers idling longer
[18:08] <elfy> :)
[18:08] <elfy> at least 48 hours
[18:08] <elfy> my timing is bad
[18:08] <Unit193> I tried idleing in a new channel recently, kept getting pings...
[18:09] <ochosi> poor Unit193 ;)
[18:09] <ochosi> that must've been a nightmare!
[18:09] <elfy> you can just imagine
[18:09] <Unit193> "Why must you be doing the pinging?"
[18:18] <mhall119> elfy: I've been idling in here for years
[18:18] <elfy> mhall119: I know :)
[18:25] <Unit193> So, we should ping mhall119 for no reason whatsoever?
[18:25] <Unit193> We've also got a cypher mox in here, which I need to bribe for my packageset application.
[18:27] <knome> Unit193, mhall119 that is?
[18:27] <Unit193> Yep, that's the one.
[18:27] <knome> there can be only one mhall119
[18:27] <Unit193> ochosi: So when you get back, what exactly is https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkSettings.html#GtkSettings--gtk-enable-animations for that matter?  I know it does smooth scrolling, but any idea what else?
[18:27] <mhall119> yup, if there was another, he's be mhall120
[18:27] <Unit193> It doesn't say much.
[18:28] <Unit193> mhall119: Or, mhall118?  Did you kill the 18?!
[18:28] <mhall119> we don't talk about mhall118
[18:29] <knome> mhall119, is that the royal we?
[18:29] <Unit193> cyphermox: Speaking of you and plymouth, have you tried building with --list-missing or --fail-missing?  Or gotten anywhere with LP 1386005?
[18:33] <cyphermox> Unit193: haven't looked carefully
[18:33] <cyphermox> I'm still mostly reacting to bugs right now, and higher priorities often pop up
[18:34] <Unit193> cyphermox: OK, think that bug might be a bit important, but I'll bug you about the other stuff for wombat of course. :)
[18:34] <cyphermox> that bug looks like it's somewhere between plymouth and the kernel screwing things up, IIRC if I use 3.19 mainline things would work, but I haven't checked again in a little while
[18:34] <Unit193> Removing 'splash' from the boot options is a workaround, but maybe not a well known one.  Anywho, figured I'd poke.
[18:35] <cyphermox> it was a good idea to
[18:35] <cyphermox> thanks for reminding me of it, unfortunately I certainly won't be able to retest this until next week
[18:48] <davmor2> knome: same with davmor1 and davmor3 is just evil :D
[18:48] <knome> :)
[18:51] <Unit193> cyphermox: I have a VM handy, I'll test a couple different kernels.
[18:53] <cyphermox> Unit193: did you see this in VMs?
[18:53] <Unit193> cyphermox: Yep.
[18:53] <cyphermox> ok... in my experience it was especially a problem on nouveau/radeon, not necessarily on qxl and whatnot
[18:53] <cyphermox> ... though I haven't tried so much in VMs.
[18:59] <Unit193> cyphermox: I sware I'm just commenting, found it odd that Plymouth wouldn't display, and in fact somewhat recently would put the monitor to sleep during boot rather than showing, used a non-Ubuntu kernel and now plymouth even shows up right now.
[19:01] <cyphermox> ah what?
[19:55] <Unit193> Can't get plymouth to show the 'logo' theme anymore in vbox, thus can't test. >_>
[20:03] <elfy> who care's, lets get an image that allows you to reboot and I'll be happy
[20:07] <ochosi> Unit193: it disables all animations toolkit-wide. that includes certain widgets that sport animations (e.g. GtkRevealer, which is used for Parole's playback-control bar, or GtkStack, which is a replacement for GtkNotebook)
[20:07] <ochosi> so yeah, i still think it'd be a worthwhile setting to have in the UI somewhere
[20:10] <Unit193> elfy: Eh, being seemingly unable to unlock an encrypted install doesn't seem good either though.
[20:10] <Unit193> ochosi: Dang..
[20:11] <ochosi> Unit193: "dang" good or "dang" bad?
[20:11] <Unit193> ochosi: Well, Parole uses it, so likely not going to disable by default...
[20:11] <ochosi> depends
[20:12] <ochosi> who knows, if animations cause issues
[20:13] <Unit193> That, and the new Xfwm highlights I want gone.
[20:13] <ochosi> seems to me you dont like all the new things
[20:14] <Unit193> Could well be, sure.  Just don't like when the whole screen goes a shade of green. :D
[20:14] <Unit193> I'm guessing that's a 'no' to both.  OK.
[20:15] <ochosi> it's not
[20:16] <Unit193> ochosi: FWIW, that's also a compliment!  It means that Xubuntu is quite good how it is. :D
[20:16] <ochosi> heh
[20:17] <ochosi> well it mostly means that either Gtk+, X11, graphic card drivers or the hardware sucks
[20:18] <Unit193> While it isn't great, I don't like smooth scrolling, always feels laggy even on good systems.  It's just a preference, and if you could only disable smooth scrolling it'd be great but the fact it hits parole is bad, IMO.
[20:19] <Unit193> Anywho, put it on my tracker for Wombat, thanks for the additional information.
[20:21] <elfy> Unit193: ofc, but being that we don't test that - is it something we should get noisy about
[20:21] <elfy> more than just referring to it
[20:21] <Unit193> elfy: Ah, well this is my personal noise, not Xubuntu team.
[20:22] <elfy> but does impact on comments made in here
[20:22] <elfy> by me - should we test this stuff now
[20:22] <Unit193> elfy: Ah, well FWIW it's not an Xubuntu issue, soo.
[20:22] <elfy> yes
[20:22] <elfy> I know :)
[20:23] <Unit193> Great!  So no more work for you. :D
[20:23] <elfy> but if we were testing then it would not be just 1/5th or 2/5ths
[20:25] <elfy> the issue is - that if it is not seen in Ubuntu, they only care if it's a nightmare
[20:25] <elfy> and as Ubuntu now only bother right at the end - nightmares for everyone else don't figure much
[20:25] <elfy> the trouble is everyone - us include - release with fails
[20:25] <elfy> perhaps we shouldn't
[20:26] <Unit193> Indeed, but in this case it's either an older bug or a recurring one.  And, as Kubuntu is aware of it, they tend to make noise and have more weight to throw around than we do.
[20:26] <elfy> if blog xyz all said - wow no ubuntu flavours released beta 1 because of this - they would notice
[20:27] <Unit193> (And of course I'd hate to push more testing load on you.)  Encryption works, and logging in works if you use the plymouth-text theme.
[20:28] <elfy> yea and it's fail if Xubuntu releases because one person tested and reported
[20:39] <Unit193> ochosi: Oh, that soundmenu/pulseaudio merger still on your agenda for $LONGTERM?
[20:41] <ochosi> Unit193: well what did you think i was going to ask about..? :)
[20:42] <Unit193> Niiice.
[20:42]  * Unit193 stops bugging.
[20:55] <ochosi> Unit193: ooook, so i just got another heads up about the animation settings, it even stops the spinner...
[20:55] <ochosi> so humm, that's a pass on switching that off by default in xubuntu
[20:56] <ochosi> otherwise we would prolly have to be consistent and switch off the compositor by default again too
[20:56] <Unit193> Spinner?
[20:56] <ochosi> yeah, you know, that progress indicator apps have..?
[20:56] <Unit193> And yeah, understandably.  I think the smooth scrolling annoys me enough to leave it off for myself.  Aha, that.
[20:57] <Unit193> Stupid GTK...
[20:58] <Unit193> ochosi: Well hey, thanks for lookin'
[21:01] <ochosi> sure, np
[21:01] <ochosi> i wanted to know too
[21:01] <Unit193> (Took it off my tracker, of course.)
[21:02] <cyphermox> Unit193: ochosi: elfy: just checking, are we good with the rebooting after install on your side?
[21:02] <cyphermox> in case anything is still exploding :)
[21:02] <cyphermox> very lastest image 20150414 should work, AFAICT
[21:09] <ochosi> cyphermox: sorry, was out for a day or two, i'm not really up to speed
[21:09] <cyphermox> just askin', don't worry about it :)
[21:10]  * ochosi stops worrying and loves the bomb
[22:24] <bluesabre0> hey everyone. just a heads up that my internet is out through at least Thursday
[22:25] <Unit193> bluesabre0: Hello mein freund!
[22:25] <knome> huhu
[22:25] <bluesabre0> :)
[22:25] <knome> bluesabre0, why did you break it?
[22:26] <bluesabre0> I did nothing... I'd prefer to have something functional :D
[22:26] <bluesabre0> been playing lots of offline games though as a result
[22:26] <knome> bluesabre0, openttd?
[22:26] <knome> that's such an awesome offline time waster
[22:27] <Unit193> bluesabre0: Oooh, which ones?
[22:27] <bluesabre0> Mario, Sonic, other Wii games... might play some final fantasy later
[22:28] <knome> hah
[22:28] <Unit193> Wife happy?  Wife the one that do it? :P
[22:28] <knome> i'm sure she's happy for sean spending less time in front of the computer
[22:28] <bluesabre0> She's less happy than I am, needs to get photos to client
[22:28] <knome> bluesabre0, snailmaiillll ;)
[22:29] <knome> or telnet them
[22:29] <bluesabre0> ewwww
[22:29] <knome> well in fact, i should snailmail my client some photos
[22:29] <Unit193> Library.
[22:29] <knome> mobile web.
[22:30] <bluesabre0> Yeah, she's probably going to upload from somewhere else tomorrow
[22:31] <bluesabre0> anyhoo, just letting you guys know. If you need an upload, will have to get Micah or a sponsor :)
[22:32] <bluesabre0> Gotta run... be back hopefully Thursday :)
[22:32] <knome> hf bluesabre0
[22:32] <Unit193> Byebyebyebyebyebyebye.
[22:44] <micahg> I'm around
[22:44] <micahg> more or less
[22:44] <Unit193> \o/
[22:44] <micahg> except on Thursday :)


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[12:38] <hugealt> Hi there - I've been experiencing a strange issue with my FIlco USB keyboard since installing 15.10. It seems that occasionally (once an hour or so) my keyboard will either get stuck on repeating a key or repeating no key and just become unresponsive. It won't respond to input at all, even capslock etc will not enable/disable. I can resolve it by unplugging and replugging the usb. I'm just scared that it will hap
[12:38] <hugealt> pen when I'm doing something time-sensitive or data-sensitive and end up causing a serious problem.
[12:44] <mgedmin> do you see anything interesting in dmesg or journalctl when that happens?
[13:24] <hugealt> Nothing in either
[13:24] <hugealt> I can see where I disconnected and reconnected the keyboard in both, but nothing right before
[13:28] <mgedmin> I don't know what to suggest
[13:58] <LinDol> hi all
[16:55] <kozukumi> hello, I have an issue when logging out of gnome, wonder if someone could give me a hand? here is a link an image of the error I get http://i.imgur.com/yLGvizr.jpg
[17:17] <freyes> kozukumi, try pressing Alt+F7 , the login screen should be there
[17:26] <kozukumi> no that is on the gui tty (or whatever it is called) i can press alr+f1 to get tty1 and login, then i can do startx or reboot and all is fine
[17:26] <kozukumi> not too sure whats up :/
[17:26] <kozukumi> looks like it is hanging on an fsck?
[17:26] <kozukumi> ive only been using linux for 4 hours so this is all new to me :)
[22:59] <kozukumi> Hi all, I have an issue with logout. It crashes and gives me a text screen like so http://i.imgur.com/rQrY95a.jpg
[22:59] <kozukumi> I think it might be something to do with fsck but I can't find anything related to it in the logs
[23:02] <JohnnyComeL8ly> I think I can say with confidence that it isn't related to fsck... reason being, that it says it was "clean" and then went on to other tasks.
[23:02] <JohnnyComeL8ly> kozukumi: ^^
[23:02] <kozukumi> yeah that is what i thought too but i cant find anything else related to it
[23:03] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Try Ctrl + Atl + F1
[23:03] <JohnnyComeL8ly> That should get you to a terminal.
[23:03] <kozukumi> yeah i can get a tty1
[23:04] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Ok, login, and then try journalctl.
[23:04] <kozukumi> and i can login and startx again and it loads fine
[23:04] <kozukumi> ok let me write this down as i need to crash my system to do it lol
[23:05] <JohnnyComeL8ly> kamikaze == kozukumi
[23:05] <kozukumi> ha


[12:40] <beuno> jenda: evening
[12:58] <vostorga> PUTOS UBUNTEROS DE MIERDA
[12:58] <beuno> I'm not sure that was very polite...
[01:00] <Burgundavia> what did that mean?.
[01:00] <beuno> not a very nice thing
[01:00] <Burgundavia> right
[01:00] <beuno> mierda == crap
[01:00] <Burgundavia> appears to be a debian and gentoo user
[01:01] <beuno> and the other one is refers to some sort of sexual orientation
[01:01] <beuno> yeap
[01:02] <beuno> maybe a ban should be issued?
[01:03] <freelancer317> I don't think he will be back, although it does seem like he went out of his way just to enter and say that.
[01:20] <GatoLoko> hi
[04:51] <Burgundavia> nixternal: we so called it
[04:51] <nixternal> haha yup
[04:51] <nixternal> I can't believe Kevin set there and tried to justify his future
[04:51] <nixternal> he posted a "Microsoft Backed" blog post last week, no doubt in my mind
[04:52] <nixternal> MS put all of that fud into his head...what a loser
[04:52] <Burgundavia> yep
[04:52] <nixternal> so if Mark ever posts something like that, you know it is time to go :)
[04:53] <nixternal> all of them brillian people who posted last week, lets see what they have to say this week :)
[04:53] <nixternal> haha
[05:16] <elkbuntu> nixternal, mr topance has blogged a 'im scared, please hold me' post to planet, so it might reap a response ;)
[05:16] <nixternal> hahaha, I just read that
[05:16] <nixternal> I am getting ready to post a bomb and upsets me though
[05:17] <elkbuntu> post a bomb?
[05:17] <elkbuntu> what now?
[05:29] <nixternal> booyah
[05:29] <nixternal> http://blog.nixternal.com
[05:29] <nixternal> lovely image
[05:41] <beuno> nixternal: ouch....
[05:42] <jenda> I need to talk to both of you...
[05:42] <jenda> ...but I need to run off for our LoCo meeting.
[05:42] <jenda> So... another time :D
[05:42] <beuno> jenda: right, I have a talk in 10 min
[05:42] <beuno> then I'll be back in the hacklab
[05:42] <beuno> so I shoiuld be around
[05:42] <beuno> and hello  :D
[05:42] <jenda> I will prolly come late - it always takes us long.
[05:42] <jenda> Although today we're trying to meet not-in-a-pub
[05:45] <beuno> hahaha
[05:45] <elkbuntu> nixternal, a suggestion.. update your link to the linspire letter to the archive version
[09:19] <beuno> jenda: we lost dan  :/


[12:38] <jbailey> lamont: ping when you're back.
[02:03] <jbailey> The glibc is on chinstrap in my homedir.  Builds here.  The only thing you need is a current breezy chroot and gcc-3.4 from Debian.
[02:04] <jbailey> I'll check my mail tomorrow sometime, and then I'll be online Sunday evening.
[06:13] <svenl> doko: well, all tests failed again, but the package built, except for libgcc1 and co, it seems.
[06:14] <svenl> doko: correction, some tests failed.
[06:16] <svenl> doko: i guess the 64bit tests failed, and that is the problem, message is -m64 not supported in this configuration.
[06:17] <svenl> oh well.
[06:06] <lamont> WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed
[06:06] <lamont> This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
[06:06] <lamont>   apt dpkg dselect (due to dpkg) sysvinit initscripts (due to sysvinit)
[06:07] <lamont> I wonder if I can just force dpkg to do the install and tweak /var/lib/dpkg/status to lie about the version number
[06:07] <lamont> well, off to get out of trouble with the wife for a few hours
[06:08] <doko> ?
[06:11] <lamont> trying to install the debian gcc-3.4 bits to build the glibc jbailey has for me.
[06:11] <lamont> downgrades libgcc1, causing all those packages to be selected for removal.  -> bummer
[06:11] <lamont> but must run for a bit - was just going to start the first step before I ran away.
[06:12] <lamont> the debian version is newer than hoary?
[06:13] <lamont> no.  hoary had libgcc1=4.0-0pre6ubuntu7
[06:13] <lamont> grumble
[06:14] <lamont> anyway, I need a working set of packages to build the glibc bits with.  I'll let you two ponder that until I get back in a few hours.
[06:14] <svenl> lamont: :)
[06:14] <svenl> lamont: i had also trouble with that.
[09:15] <svenl> doko: you there ?
[09:15] <svenl> doko: something funny happened.
[09:16] <doko> svenl: really funny?
[09:16] <svenl> doko: some of the tests failed, but not all, the package build a couple of .debs (most of them i think, including lib64stdc++ and gcc) but no trace of any libgcc1 or libgcc1_64.
[09:16] <svenl> doko: yep.
[09:17] <doko> find build -name libgcc1_* ?
[09:17] <svenl> doko: how do you come clear with this huge build log ?
[09:17] <svenl> doko: doesn't find anything such.
[09:18] <svenl> there are a couple libgcc.a and libgcc_s.so in build/gcc though.
[09:18] <doko> sorry, find build -name libgcc_* ?
[09:19] <svenl> $ find build -name libgcc\*
[09:19] <svenl> build/gcc/libgcc
[09:19] <svenl> build/gcc/libgcc/nof/libgcc.map
[09:19] <svenl> build/gcc/libgcc/libgcc.map
[09:19] <svenl> build/gcc/nof/libgcc.a
[09:19] <svenl> build/gcc/nof/libgcc_eh.a
[09:19] <svenl> build/gcc/libgcc.a
[09:19] <svenl> build/gcc/libgcc_eh.a
[09:19] <svenl> build/gcc/libgcc_s.so.1.backup
[09:19] <svenl> build/gcc/libgcc_s.so.1
[09:19] <svenl> build/gcc/libgcc_s_nof.so.1.backup
[09:19] <svenl> build/gcc/libgcc_s_nof.so.1
[09:19] <svenl> build/gcc/libgcc_s_nof.so
[09:19] <svenl> build/gcc/libgcc.mk
[09:19] <svenl> build/gcc/libgcc_s.so
[09:20] <doko> hmm, no 64bit libgcc ...
[09:21] <doko> or is this 4.0 for experimental?
[09:21] <svenl> the fun thing is that not even the 32bit libgcc did build.
[09:21] <svenl> no, the ubuntu gcc-3.4
[09:29] <svenl> doko: any hint on what i could be looking at there ?
[09:33] <doko> hmm, no currently not.
[09:34] <svenl> can i try building the libgcc stuff without rebuilding the whole stuff ? To get a smaller log or something.
[09:35] <doko> ugh, you may want to look at gcc/Makefile, where it builds libgcc, but if the compiler isn't configured for 64bit, then that won't help at all ...
[09:36] <svenl> doko: what i don't understand is why : 1) the 32bit libgcc didn't build, or 2) why the whole lot of other .debs where built.
[09:38] <doko> and the lib64stdc++6 does contain a shared lib?
[09:38] <svenl> nope, its empty.
[09:39] <svenl> and there is no non-64bit libstdc++ now that i look at it.
[09:39] <svenl> strange.


 What screenshot tool?  I'd like something like that for recording scores in a game within VirtualBox
 @AdamOutler, The one on Samsung phones
 @RazPi, Nope, just nope
 Thanks Raz, posted to Google+ with the phrase "IT recommend, hacker approved".
 How big is yours?  Mine is 100 inches.
 @AdamOutler xD
 @AdamOutler, So... No one's ever gonna see it?
 @Ivoriesablaze I actually do have followers on Google+ who are active.  Security people use it because you can control the flow of info to circles.
 @AdamOutler, Thats not what I have heard
 I got this projector set up with a Chromecast and when the projector comes on/off, it triggers the remote for the screen.  The screen goes up when projector isn't in use 😃
 I am putting Nvidia Shield TVs in every room. I just got them this morning
 I have an IR Blaster coming on Monday.  I'll hook it up to Smartthings and use Google.  "OK Google, turn on projector" and the whole thing will turn on and screen comes down.
 Screen is normally 800.  Projector is 600.   I paid 300 for projector on woot.com and got this screen for $200 on Amazon with a damaged box.    This thing has cost me $650 for 100 inches!
 Mounts, Chromecast and real speaker are the extra 150
 @KMyers, Mine is 17 inches but when I sit real close it looks like it's 500
 Sorry :(
 Me at Linux terminal
 Every room @KMyers ?
 Except the obvious ones of course
 No need for one in the bathroom
 Securing your PHP Server in 2018 … https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/securing-your-php-server-2018-bob-lennes/


[00:52] <Espartax23> Hi!
 @RONI ASAAD [Because when i open firefox the the cpu is 100 when i open video in youtube], try to install ublock origin addon/extension for firefox
[10:54] <diogenes_> chikatambun, in the address bar type: about:support
[10:55] <diogenes_> scroll down where it says Compositing and is has to be set to Basic.
 @RONI ASAAD [Ok], any good news?
 @RONI ASAAD [Still 100%], have you tried with a lighter browser?
 Falkon, midori, pale Moon, or something derived from chromium, like Brave?
 @N0um3n0 [Falkon, midori, pale Moon, or something derived from chromium, like Brave?], vivaldi
[12:29] <diogenes_> looks like you need to change your system theme.
 Try turning on Compton.
 That is a video rendering issue.
[13:24] <Noumeno> putting it in the terminal as compton, it can also be activated in the startup options.
[19:38] <nmzm> Hello everyone :)
[19:39] <nmzm> I've tried to google that for hours and still didn't found anything. That's why I want to ask here: I've been using mysql server 5.6 on Ubuntu for a long time and now I want to upgrade mysql server to the new one. As I understand I need to export all tables and then import them to the new DB or there might be issues with that?
[19:39] <nmzm> Sorry, not Ubuntu, Lubuntu :D


[05:49] <napsy> lp
[06:45] <pitastrudl> jutro
[08:39] <sasa84> juhuuu
[08:39] <CrazyLemon> psst
[08:54] <idioterna> dan
[08:55] <sasa84> ojoj, CrazyLemon še pančka
[08:55] <sasa84> a si že kupu stisklanik agrumov? :P
[08:55] <sasa84> stiskalnk*
[09:03] <CrazyLemon> sasa84 ni samo za agrume :>
[09:03] <CrazyLemon> in ne nisem
[09:04] <sasa84> kaj pa še lahko stiskaš= jabuka, slive, češnje?  I hope it's okay?
[23:22] <pitastrudl> sure, go ahead :)
[23:23] <kristian_on_linu> thanks :)
[23:23] <kristian_on_linu> Ljubljana looks like a great town
[23:24] <pitastrudl> it is :)
[23:24] <pitastrudl> lots to offer
[23:24] <pitastrudl> other parts of slovenia too, for how long are you staying
[23:25] <kristian_on_linu> only three days, so staying in the capitol and going on trips from there
[23:25] <kristian_on_linu> I am Danish, by the way ... so I excpect the culture to be a bit different
[23:26] <pitastrudl> ohh, that's not much
[23:26] <pitastrudl> well, it might be yeah, not too much. people are generally kind.
[23:26] <kristian_on_linu> nothing major, I guess
[23:26] <pitastrudl> yeah
[23:26] <pitastrudl> any plans so far?
[23:27] <kristian_on_linu> Bled Castle (obviously)
[23:27] <pitastrudl> heh, of course
[23:27] <pitastrudl> anything else?
[23:27] <kristian_on_linu> I guess that Slovenian is more religious than Denmark, which is pretty much atheist these days ... also, we are (were?) Protestant
[23:28] <kristian_on_linu> someone is kind enough to drive me around a bit, I will let the trips be her call
[23:28] <pitastrudl> well, i cant say much , but it's not as much as you think probably
[23:28] <pitastrudl> bled is nice, make sure to go around ljubljana too and see the castle
[23:28] <pitastrudl> if it's gonna be nice weather and you will have time to spare, go see the coast
[23:28] <pitastrudl> piran/izola/strunjan
[23:29] <pitastrudl> but you'll have to have a whole day for that
[23:29] <pitastrudl> 1h one way
[23:29] <pitastrudl> from ljubljana
[23:30] <pitastrudl> also since the weather might not be the best, if you havent been to any caves, go see that too
[23:30] <pitastrudl> postojna or škocjanske caves
[23:31] <pitastrudl> also, if you want a nice walk, close to bled.  go see the  Vintgar gorge
[23:31] <pitastrudl> dont forget to try the Kremšnita
[23:32] <kristian_on_linu> Vintgar looks spectacular
[23:32] <kristian_on_linu> I'm generally a "culture" type of traveler, but I am really tempted here
[23:32] <pitastrudl> i see
[23:32] <pitastrudl> hmmm
[23:33] <kristian_on_linu> that cake looks amazing also ... I guess there are many great cafés to be found
[23:35] <pitastrudl> there are a shitton of cafes everywhere
[23:36] <pitastrudl> so dont waste too much time there, maybe go to one at bled with a great view
[23:36] <kristian_on_linu> I have a feeling I will gain some weight, going from Italy to Slovenia to Austria and really enjoying cakes and sweets
[23:36] <idioterna> we were fortunate to have dialectic materialism for 50 years when we adopted socialism
[23:37] <idioterna> so religion got turned into a bit of a sideshow
[23:37] <idioterna> some people are very much into it these days, but they're pretty rare
[23:37] <idioterna> other than that, if you're danish, the mountains will be most interesting
[23:38] <kristian_on_linu> yeah, we're not very good at those
[23:38] <idioterna> i've worked for a danish company recently
[23:38] <idioterna> and the coworkers were most amazed by high mountain passes
[23:38] <pitastrudl> go for a hike on a mountain with a great view
[23:38] <kristian_on_linu> I'll show you the "national mountain", one moment ...
[23:38] <kristian_on_linu> idioterna: may I ask which one?
[23:38] <idioterna> pleo
[23:38] <idioterna> from cph
[23:38] <idioterna> pleo.io
[23:39] <idioterna> they sort of kicked me out, but for good reasons
[23:39] <kristian_on_linu> https://files.guidedanmark.org/files/415/158964_Himmelbjerget-2017.jpg <-- you walk to the top in 15 minutes
[23:39] <kristian_on_linu> but it's a great area
[23:39] <idioterna> it wasn't bad, but i wasn't able to keep up due to family situation
[23:40] <kristian_on_linu> stuff like that happens
[23:40] <idioterna> yeah
[23:40] <kristian_on_linu> btw, did you get your handle from the weird Danish film?
[23:40] <idioterna> yeah
[23:40] <idioterna> i love lars von trier
[23:40] <kristian_on_linu> he
[23:40] <kristian_on_linu> did you see "Kingdom Hospital"?
[23:40] <idioterna> yeah :)
[23:40] <idioterna> i know it by heart almost
[23:40] <idioterna> you dansk jävlar
[23:41] <idioterna> hehe
[23:41] <kristian_on_linu> I saw the suit he wears in the intros recently
[23:41] <idioterna> is it in a museum? :)
[23:41] <kristian_on_linu> yes, there was a Trier exhibition in Odense
[23:41] <idioterna> de god med den what?
[23:41] <idioterna> he says a line at the end
[23:41] <idioterna> that you have to be ready to take the good with the evil
[23:41] <idioterna> when he draws a cross and then shows the horns
[23:41] <kristian_on_linu> but, I was surprised to know that the suit belonged to Dreyer first ... so it's probably 100 years old
[23:42] <idioterna> well the show is about ghosts of the past, so that makes sense :)
[23:42] <idioterna> i've only travelled through odense
[23:42] <kristian_on_linu> "det gode med det onde" ... "the good with the bad" ... it's a common saying, but in this context it is about the fight between good and evil in the universe
[23:42] <idioterna> yeah
[23:43] <kristian_on_linu> you know Dreyer I guess?
[23:43] <kristian_on_linu> I must admit I never saw any of his films, shame on me
[23:43] <idioterna> well i've read about him
[23:43] <idioterna> me neither :)
[23:43] <kristian_on_linu> Vampyr should be great
[23:43] <kristian_on_linu> Odense is not bad, but a bit expensive
[23:43] <idioterna> i watched the joan of arc
[23:43] <kristian_on_linu> still more than me
[23:43] <idioterna> yeah that's what i love about slovenia, it's much cheaper than most of europe
[23:44] <kristian_on_linu> only Slovenian culture I know is Laibach ... saw them play a few years back
[23:44] <idioterna> yeah they're the most world renowned band i guess
[23:44] <kristian_on_linu> I sometimes go to Poland and Romania ... these countries are also very cheap
[23:44] <kristian_on_linu> I'd be surprised if you know any Danish music?
[23:44] <kristian_on_linu> maybe Volbeat, who suck ass?
[23:45] <idioterna> umm
[23:45] <kristian_on_linu> you're not missing out if you don't know them
[23:45] <idioterna> i've been given some youtube links by coworkers
[23:45] <idioterna> but didn't really get into it :)
[23:45] <kristian_on_linu> talked to a Polish record collector who knew the weirdest Danish bands ...
[23:45] <kristian_on_linu> they suck, they just got some international airplay
[23:46] <kristian_on_linu> we don't really have any international bands right now
[23:46] <kristian_on_linu> Aqua is partly Danish, but they were big 20 years ago
[23:46] <idioterna> i'm mostly into slovenian punk if anything
[23:47] <idioterna> i don't listen to what's popular in slovenia so i couldn't say what's really popular
[23:47] <idioterna> we've got this "radio student" station that plays the weirdest stuff and i've grown accustomed to music they play
[23:49] <idioterna> this is the music that goes with the dreyer's film:
[23:49] <idioterna> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWo6jyyhncY
[23:49] <linkdoggo> ^ Richard Einhorn - Torture - YouTube ^
[23:49] <kristian1> hi again
[23:50] <idioterna> hi
[23:50] <kristian1> sorry about that, my wifi is acting up
[23:50] <idioterna> i can paste what i wrote since you last said anything :)
[23:50] <idioterna> http://dpaste.com/0VEKMBT
[23:50] <linkdoggo> ^ dpaste: 0VEKMBT ^
[23:50] <idioterna> anyway, when are you coming?
[23:51] <idioterna> i hope you'll have decent weather
[23:53] <kristian1> I'll be there in two weeks or so
[23:53] <kristian1> weather is bound to be better than here
[23:54] <kristian1> looking for an AirBnB place right now
[23:54] <idioterna> i guess they're something like 30 euros per night for a decent place
[23:55] <kristian1> yeah
[23:55] <kristian1> but it's difficult when you don't have a feeling of the town
[23:57] <idioterna> paste the link here and i can tell you if it's fine
[23:58] <kristian1> thanks
[23:58] <idioterna> we can also meet and i can explain what to see in ljubljana, although i'm probably not the go to guy for stuff, i'm generally into stuff other people don't like
[23:58] <kristian1> lol
[23:58] <kristian1> like Ubuntu?
[23:59] <idioterna> yeah or industrial wastelands and stuff
[23:59] <kristian1> super kind of you ... I sense that the local hospitality is something I'll remember
[23:59] <idioterna> my kids had a school holiday this week and we went to the carst region of slovenia
[23:59] <idioterna> which is really beautiful this time of year, with too much to see in a week


[00:17] <evn> i'm trying to use git-serve and get the following error
[00:17] <evn> ~ $ bzr git
[00:17] <evn> No module named foreign
[00:17] <evn> on Bazaar (bzr) 1.13.1
[00:18] <evn> where does the 'foreign' package live?
[00:23] <evn> :-(
[00:35] <evn> anyone?
[00:37] <emmajane> evn, This was part of jelmer's branch and apparently it was rolled into the main bzr, but I'm just going on past log files.
[00:37] <emmajane> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/02/06/%23bzr.html
[00:38] <emmajane> evn, the same thing was true in March as well.
[00:38] <emmajane> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/03/09/%23bzr.html
[00:39] <evn> i have a more recent version of bzr than that so it should be there, right?
[00:40] <emmajane> evn, "should be" but also "doesn't appear to be"
[00:40] <evn> should i try to downgrade bzr?
[00:40] <emmajane> I don't know what the right answer is, sorry.
[00:41] <emmajane> Previously the right answer has been to (1) use bzr.dev or (2) jelmer's PPA.
[00:41] <emmajane> I don't know if either of those are still true though.
[00:41] <evn> hrm
[00:41] <evn> i have the latest bzr from macports
[00:42] <emmajane> You have the latest "released" bzr, this isn't the same as the "development" verison.
[00:42] <evn> oh
[00:42] <Peng_> 1.13.1 isn't the latest release anyway.
[00:43] <emmajane> I *think* jelmer is at UDS this week (in Spain) so you could try again tomorrow.
[00:43] <emmajane> Unless Peng_ happens to know the right answer. ;)
[00:43] <evn> should i try to get https://launchpad.net/bzr/bzr.dev
[00:43] <evn> ?
[00:43] <evn> or would 1.15 have what i need
[00:44] <Peng_> I don't know.
[00:45] <emmajane> http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrForeignBranches/Git/Server
[00:45] <evn> yeah, that's what i'm trying to use
[00:46] <emmajane> evn, Have you read through the page and followed all the links?
[00:46] <evn> yeah
[00:46] <evn> i installed dulwich
[00:46] <evn> and git-serve as a plugin
[00:46] <emmajane> When I read that page I don't see anything that says, "This is available in bzr as of version X."
[00:47] <emmajane> So I would assume that you have to use the development version that is referenced near the top.
[00:47]  * Peng_ goes /away
[00:47] <evn> lp:~johncarr/bzr-git/git-serve ?
[00:47] <evn> that's the plugin, not an actual version of bzr
[00:47] <emmajane> evn, Your best bet is to try and catch jelmer tomorrow.
[00:48] <evn> ok
[00:49] <emmajane> He was around today off and on until about two hours ago.
[01:17] <evn> i installed bzr 1.15 and now i get
[01:17] <evn> Unable to load plugin 'rebase'. It requested API version (1, 13, 0) of module <module 'bzrlib' from '/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/__init__.pyc'> but the minimum exported version is (1, 15, 0), and the maximum is (1, 15, 0)
[01:17] <evn> oh nm
[01:17] <evn> it still says No module named foreign
[01:17] <evn> giving up for today
[03:22] <LaserJock> anybody know specifically what Launchpad is using for git imports?
[04:13] <johnf> Interesting bug. If anyone ever complains they can't add a directory containing a directory called objects then it could be because of bzr-git #380818
[04:28] <wgrant> LaserJock: bzr-git
[08:16] <kfogel> Anyone here used bzr-search plugin?  I just did (in the plugin's own directory) 'bzr index' followed by 'bzr search string_that_is_definitely_in_a_file_here', and it claimed no hits.
[08:17] <Peng_> I have used bzr-search, but I can't help much.
[08:17] <Peng_> Does .bzr/bzr-search look populated?
[08:18] <Peng_> Are you sure about the search string? Try something dumb, like "for". What about suggestions?
[08:18] <kfogel> Peng_: yes, it's there, and has stuff in it.
[08:18] <kfogel> Peng_: got it.
[08:18] <kfogel> Peng_: PEBKAC
[08:19] <Peng_> Okay.
[10:16] <mwhudson> jelmer: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/mnemosyne-proj/maemosyne
[10:27] <pygi> GaryvdM: pass the lp:~mario-danic/bzr/bzr-win branch to villa :)
[10:33]  * igc dinner
[10:33] <pygi> vila: greetings :p
[10:40] <vila> pygi: Haaaaaa, finally I link the nick and the human being ! :)
[10:42] <pygi> vila: hahahhaha :D
[10:43] <pygi> vila: lp:~mario-danic/bzr/bzr-win will be the branch for the win installer automation stuff
[10:45] <vila> pygi: yeah !
[11:05] <pygi> mvo: poke
[11:45] <johnf> abentley: ping
[11:46] <abentley> pong
[11:46] <johnf> abentley: any chance of a bzrtools release for 1.15
[11:47] <johnf> or isn't one needed/
[11:47] <johnf> ?
[11:47] <abentley> There should be a release for 1.15.
[11:47] <abentley> johnf: I'll do it tonight.
[11:48] <johnf> thanks could you ping me when your done so I can roll it out to the PPA
[11:48] <abentley> johnf: Okay.
[11:51] <johnf> So if I emailed a patch for merging and it's in budle buggy and someone has commented on it with some small changes. What is the process for for fixing the patch. Do I just reply to the email from bundle buggy with a new patch?
[11:53] <konnertz> hi, is it possible to have ehmm... three(?) repos "in a row"?
[11:53] <Peng_> konnertz: What do you mean?
[11:53] <mwhudson> jelmer: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/27200360/gitorious-trunk-log.txt <- thoughts?
[11:53] <Peng_> johnf: If it was just bb:tweak, you can resubmit the fixed patch, or perhaps someone will fix it up while merging it.
[11:53] <Peng_> mwhudson: G'morning. :)
[11:54] <konnertz> i mean i develop a web framework useful for my company but also for me (and maybe others), atm i use svn on my root server
[11:54] <konnertz> but i should make it accessible to alle coworkers asap
[11:54] <johnf> Peng_: as in just send a brand new email? Won't that create two merge requests?
[11:54] <konnertz> but i want to continue working also at home and on laptop
[11:55] <Peng_> johnf: Yes, send a reply. It will create a new merge request, but I think they'll be sort of linked. Anyway, the (minimal) administrative overhead of that is exactly why sometimes the person merging it will take care of it.
[11:55] <konnertz> so where should be the central repo? Or is this a misconception?
[11:56] <johnf> Peng_: Ok it's just a tweak for spelling and a branch name so I'll leave it
[11:56] <Peng_> konnertz: Bazaar is a DVCS. You don't /need/ a central repo. If you want one, you can put it wherever you want.
[11:56] <konnertz> Are all repos equally? And can changes be merged from A to B or from B to C and also from C to A ??
[11:56] <LarstiQ> Peng_, johnf: if the old patch is in the ancestry of the new one, they'll be subsumed into one by BB
[11:57] <Peng_> konnertz: Yes.
[11:57] <konnertz> Peng, okay.
[11:57] <johnf> LarstiQ: ahh ok cool
[11:58] <kfogel> jelmer: http://paste.lisp.org/display/80898   -- a 'bzr search' error on a package you are familiar with.
[12:02] <konnertz> so just another question pls to get into it again - i already setup two test projects some weeks ago and tried the basics, ...
[12:02] <konnertz> To start the first repo, i could start it on my local box, right?
[12:03] <konnertz> what cmd pls for my needs of decentral VC?
[12:07] <Peng_> konnertz: You can start it wherever you want.
[12:07] <Peng_> konnertz: Read the tutorial. :)
[13:12] <pygi> Guest52322: :p
[13:13] <pygi> hiding :D
[13:13] <Guest52322> whoops
[13:42] <jelmer> mwhudson, I can reproduce that bit unfortunately
[13:43] <jelmer> mwhudson, Do you have some easy way to file bugs from failed vcs imports ?
[13:44]  * jelmer wonders if gitorious is perhaps running a custom server
[14:30] <awilkins> .join ##csharp
[14:30] <awilkins> oops
[14:46] <awilkins> Any loom gurus here?
[14:47] <awilkins> I was just thinking ; do looms have to be 2-dimensional (a stack of branches) ; could you have levels that fan out
[14:50] <fullermd> A stack isn't 2-dimensional   :p
[14:57] <awilkins> fullermd: Well, they are stacks of 1-dimensional things
[14:57] <awilkins> fullermd: So I was thinking that was 2-d
[14:57] <awilkins> Stacks of linked lists (or DAGs)
[14:58] <awilkins> The problem I was thinking about was the maintaining-a-development-branch-with-multiple-patches-to-the-trunk
[14:58] <awilkins> Where you want each patch branch to be distinct and separate so that you can submit it for merging independantly
[14:59] <awilkins> but also want your development branch to hold them all
[15:03] <ronny> how can i get the tip revision of a branch, i cant find it in the branch api
[15:03] <awilkins> ronny: Get revision -1 ?
[15:06] <ronny> awilkins: but what api is for getting the revisions, i only found sometihng for trees
[15:07] <awilkins> ronny: Not sure about that
[15:11] <awilkins> http://imagebin.org/50545  ;
[15:11] <ronny> oh, looks like hg's pbranch
[15:13] <mwhudson> ronny: branch.last_revision() ?
[15:15] <awilkins> It sounds just like what loom is for, maybe I'm just not grokking it
[15:16]  * awilkins wonders if there's a qloom
[15:16] <ronny> mwhudson: that gives the id, now im in search of a way to get a revision object
[15:16] <ronny> i did get one over a cahin of other things that is probably tooooo complicated
[15:17] <ronny> oh.found it
[15:17] <mwhudson> ronny: b.repository.get_revision(b.last_revision())
[15:17] <ronny> wt.branch.repository.get_revision(wd.last_revision())
[15:20] <ronny> hmm, and now to figure a way to do push/pull from the api
[15:24] <Peng_> Not to be an ass, but has everyone forgotten about https://code.edge.launchpad.net/loggerhead/+activereviews ? There are several things up for review.
[15:25] <Peng_> I'm not demanding you review them or anything. I just want to be sure they're on the radar somewhere.
[15:25] <mwhudson> Peng_: UDS!!@!@!!one!
[15:25] <Peng_> mwhudson: As an outsider, UDS seems terribly unproductive. Development has shut down. You're not just playing video games, are you? :P
[15:25] <mwhudson> heh
[15:25] <mwhudson> no
[15:38] <ronny> how would i go about invalidating a branch/repository instance in case the on-disk data got changed
[15:39] <mwhudson> ronny: if you don't read lock, the disk gets consulted each time (i think)
[15:40] <ronny> mwhudson: i did a push, and it didnt seem to change
[15:40] <LarstiQ> ronny: .lock_read,write() and .unlock()
[15:40] <awilkins> ronny: Was the push over a remote transport?
[15:41] <LarstiQ> awilkins: that would be a ondisk tree state you're thinking of, not the Branch/Repository objects in python?
[15:41] <awilkins> LarstiQ: Yes
[15:43] <LarstiQ> ronny: if I do in ipython; b.last_revision(); *push outside*; b.last_revision(), the two revisions are different
[15:43] <ronny> hmm, same process here
[15:44] <ronny> part of the unittests, using different instances to the same data
[15:44] <LarstiQ> are you sure you're  pushing to the underlying branch, not somewhere else?
[15:45] <LarstiQ> if you are, I'm out of ideas without seeing the code
[15:45] <ronny> LarstiQ: its the same branch i push to, but not the same branch instance
[15:45] <ronny> currentlyim in an iteration of adding some crap to anyvc
[15:45]  * LarstiQ nods
[15:46] <LarstiQ> I literally did: import bzrlib.branch; b = bzrlib.branch.Branch.open('/tmp/foo'); b.last_revision(); b.last_revision()
[15:47] <LarstiQ> and for the pushing, bzr branch /tmp/foo; cd foo; bzr ci -m 1 --unchanged; bzr push /tmp/foo
[15:47] <ronny> unittest is the default_head one in http://paste.pocoo.org/show/119370 and the bzr repo code is http://paste.pocoo.org/show/119374
[15:48] <LarstiQ> ah, but it doesn't invalidate if it didn't start at the null-revision, hmm
[15:49] <ronny> ignore the bad api, its still in the early iterations where i try to add stuff, and make simple tests work
[15:49] <ronny> it needs a good deal of more iterations
[15:52] <ronny> LarstiQ: so any idea what i can do?
[15:52] <LarstiQ> ronny: not yet, looking still
[16:00] <LarstiQ> ronny: some things seem to have changed since last I looked
[16:01] <ronny> hmm, darn
[16:03] <LarstiQ> GAH I'm stupid
[16:04]  * LarstiQ was checking the wrong branch
[16:04] <pygi> vila: sidney won't come I guess
[16:05] <LarstiQ> now that the universe works again like I think it does, back to looking at anyvc code
[16:05] <LarstiQ> ronny: the assert head.message=="test commit" fails?
[16:06] <vila> pygi: lokks like so, we should hunt him tomorrow :)
[16:06] <ronny> LarstiQ: no, after the push from the workdir it doesnt have new revision
[16:06] <pygi> vila: we have to be here tomorrow as well? xD
[16:06] <LarstiQ> ronny: wd.repository.push() ?
[16:07] <ronny> in my case workdir = separate branch
[16:07] <ronny> that push seems to work fine, but te repo wont get the change
[16:07] <LarstiQ> what is wd.repository.branch.get_parent() ?
[16:08] <ronny> hmm, ok, the push seems to fail
[16:11] <ronny> LarstiQ: hmm, a string, but somehow i failed to get a propper bool value for repository
[16:13] <igc> night all
[16:14] <LarstiQ> night ian
[16:16] <ronny> LarstiQ: so, the bzr test passes now
[16:16] <LarstiQ> ronny: yay :)
[16:22] <ronny> LarstiQ: i just did the same for hg and it took vastly less time to implement
[16:25] <LarstiQ> ronny: how much of that is because you already know hg better?
[16:26] <ronny> LarstiQ: hg lacks much indirection, so there is much less to figure
[16:26] <mwhudson> what does an exit code of 4 mean for bzr?
[16:26] <mwhudson> and is having this exit code at all a new thing?
[16:27] <ronny> brb
[16:31] <beuno> Peng_, thanks for the review
[16:32] <replicant> is the fastest repository format 1.9 ?
[16:32] <beuno> Peng_, what should I do with the serve-fix branches then?
[16:33] <james_w> mwhudson: EXIT_INTERNAL_ERROR = 4
[16:33] <mwhudson> ah
[16:33] <mwhudson> soooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmething is breaaaaaaaaaaaaaaking
[16:33] <mwhudson> then
[16:33] <mwhudson> (i love integration tests)
[16:34] <james_w> maybe your keyboard?
[16:34] <mwhudson> heh
[16:34] <jml> :D
[16:34] <mwhudson> i also love testsuites that take multiple hours
[16:34] <jml> bzr defines constants for those things?
[16:34] <jml> We should heck of use those.
[16:34] <mwhudson> beuno: review the branch i guess :)
[16:35] <mwhudson> yeah
[16:35] <james_w> bzrlib.errors
[16:37] <jml> james_w: why aren't you in the bzr room with all of the cool people?
[16:38] <james_w> jml: I am in the etckeeper room with the extra cool bzr people
[16:38] <jml> ahh.
[16:38] <jml> good idea.
[16:38] <OllieR> is it possible to suppress the bzr ouput for comands like bzr add ?
[16:39] <james_w> bzr add -q
[16:39] <OllieR> james_w: ty
[16:39] <james_w> it won't be completely silent though
[16:41] <OllieR> better than nothing, just doing an add over ssh on a large branch takes far too long due to slow downloads of all the files
[16:49] <nadavoid> I'd like to use a command like "bzr push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:50] <nadavoid> My username at the sftp server has an @ or a % in it.  I can log in using either.
[16:50] <mwhudson> Peng: hello, please land that branch :)
[16:50] <Peng_> mwhudson: Which branch?
[16:50] <mwhudson> the one i just reviewed
[16:51] <nadavoid> I can successfully SFTP in using<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and serveradmin%example.com.
[16:51]  * mwhudson is running out of battery and brain at fairly similar rates
[16:51] <nadavoid> But when I try bzr push with those usernames, I get access denied.
[16:51] <nadavoid> It's like the % gets converted to something else.
[16:52] <nadavoid> Any suggestions on what I can try? (so I can bzr push to an sftp server using a username that has a % in it.)
[16:52] <Peng_> mwhudson: Thanks for the review.
[16:52] <mwhudson> Peng_: np
[16:54] <Peng_> landed
[16:54] <Peng_> Will I bother to add NEWS? :P
[16:55] <mwhudson> ah yeah NEW
[16:55] <mwhudson> S
[16:56] <mwhudson> Peng_: can't you use url_to_local_path to detect local paths in https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mnordhoff/loggerhead/dont-suggest-serving-remote-branches/+merge/6758
[16:57] <Peng_> Eh, I added NEWS.
[16:58] <Peng_> mwhudson: Yeah, I could. Like I wrote, I don't know the right way to do it, so I just picked what looked simplest.
[16:59] <mwhudson> it seems more principled somehow
[17:01] <Peng_> It bothers me a little because the local path isn't actually *needed*, so it'd just be generated and discarded.
[17:01] <mwhudson> yeah
[17:04]  * mwhudson approves the branch
[17:04] <mwhudson> Peng_: have you tested that https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mnordhoff/loggerhead/dont-suggest-serving-remote-branches/+merge/6758 basically works?
[17:06] <Peng_> mwhudson: Yes. I don't know *why* setting served_url to None disables the suggestion, but it does. I'd test it again before landing it.
[17:06] <mwhudson> i added the served_url is None hides the suggestion thing
[17:06] <mwhudson> for launchpad
[17:07] <mwhudson> Peng_: actually
[17:07] <mwhudson> Peng_: i meant to ask about the transport registry branch :)
[17:07] <fullermd> nadavoid: Try urlencoding it.  @ = %40 I believe.
[17:08] <Peng_> mwhudson: Oooh. Yes.
[17:08] <nadavoid> fullermd: thanks. I'll try that.
[17:09]  * mwhudson reviews that one too
[17:09] <nadavoid> fullermd: would something like an escape character be needed? like \@ ?
[17:11]  * mwhudson vanishes in a puff of beer
[17:14] <Peng_> Cue Firefox crashing before I check LP again.
[17:19] <danigm> Hi all, I'm trying to setup a bzr server to use with bzr+ssh. I create a group bzr and all users that can create branchs are in that group. I have a directory /bzr with user root and group bzr. An user can create a branch in that dir but any other can write over it. How can I set up for group write permission?
[17:19] <LarstiQ> danigm: setgid, or what I prefer, setfacl
[17:20] <danigm> LarstiQ: and how can I do it? I try chmod 2770 to /bzr and all directory created had the same group, but not writable
[17:21] <LarstiQ> danigm: chmod g+s
[17:23] <danigm> LarstiQ: I have this, but new files isn't writable
[17:23] <danigm> by group
[17:24] <LarstiQ> danigm: then I advise to make use of posix acls
[17:26] <LarstiQ> danigm: `setfacl -m group:bzr:rwx  /srv/bzr` and `setfacl -m default:group:bzr:rwx /srv/bzr`
[17:26] <LarstiQ> danigm: is what I did
[17:29] <danigm> LarstiQ: ok, I'll try it
[17:29] <Peng_> mwhudson: Thanks for all of the reviews. :)
[17:39] <nadavoid> fullermd: urlencoding the @ as %40 in my username worked perfectly for me.
[17:39] <nadavoid> fullermd: thanks again.
[17:42] <LarstiQ> fullermd: could you file a bug on that?
[17:42] <LarstiQ> ehm
[17:42] <LarstiQ> s/fullermd/nadavoid/
[17:43] <nadavoid> LarstiQ: uh, sure. where?
[17:44] <LarstiQ> nadavoid: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+filebug
[17:45] <nadavoid> LarstiQ: ok. I'll do that. Let ask a couple questions about what some valid sftp urls "should" be then...
[17:45] <nadavoid> This is obviously valid<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:45] <LarstiQ> yes
[17:46] <nadavoid> This has an added %<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:46] <nadavoid> And this has an added @: sftp://your<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:47] <nadavoid> Should both of those last two work?
[17:48] <LarstiQ> I think the client should handle them better than it does now, wether they're valid sftp urls or not.
[17:48] <LarstiQ> vila: you might now better ^^?
[17:49] <nadavoid> I don't know better. ;) I'll go ahead and mention both, and let the bzr devs sort out how it should be handled.
[17:50]  * LarstiQ nods
[17:50] <vila> Well, aliasing ~ to user home directory is not really standard AFAIK, a single % is definitly not standard, it should be escaped as well as the @
[17:51] <vila> Now, there has been discussions about being a bit more tolerant as far as bzr is concerned,
[17:52] <vila> so we indeed support ~, I seem to remember a patch about better supporting the @ without forcing it to be escaped, but the % will still be a problem
[17:52] <nadavoid> vila: I'd be happy if that was mentioned in the getting started guide "If your username has an @ or a % in it, be sure to enter it escaped as %40 or %25."
[17:53] <vila> nadavoid: patches welcome :)
[17:54] <vila> nadavoid: there is also the question about whether we should include std66 in the documentation...
[17:54] <nadavoid> Looks like this is already being addressed as a "bug" https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/215059
[17:56] <nadavoid> mentioning std66 might be good in the full documentation, but probably not in the 5-minute quickstart.
[17:57] <nadavoid> vila: How would I submit a patch for the 5-minute quickstart?
[17:57] <nadavoid> http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/en/mini-tutorial/index.html
[17:59] <vila> nadavoid: search for the doc/en/mini-tutorial directory in the sources
[17:59] <nadavoid> ok.
[17:59] <danigm> which users use bzr serve?
[17:59] <LarstiQ> danigm: everyone using bzr+ssh://
[18:00] <nadavoid> vila: then I create a patch, and attach it to a bug report?
[18:02] <vila> nadavoid: we prefer merge proposals on launchpad.net, see doc/en/developers/HACKING.txt
[18:02] <LarstiQ> nadavoid: Preferably use Launchpad to suggest merging your branch, or use `bzr send` to send a merge directive to the mailing list.
[18:04] <nadavoid> OK. I might give that a try. Thanks for the suggestions.
[18:16] <danigm> with bzr serve anyone can write in my server, and with bzr+ssh I can share branchs because acl is too instrusive
[18:17] <LarstiQ> danigm: I'm not sure what you mean?
[18:19] <danigm> LarstiQ: I'm trying to launch bzr serve, but with that it not needded to put your user and password to create or modify a branch
[18:19] <danigm> I can create a branch without a user
[18:19] <danigm> And I don't want that
[18:20] <LarstiQ> danigm: if you run it standalone (ie, bzr://) and you supply --allow-writes, then yes, anyone can write branches
[18:21] <danigm> LarstiQ: It's possible to launch standalone with write support for only users?
[18:22] <LarstiQ> danigm: you could have a look at http://projects.serverzen.com/pm/p/cluemapper/wiki/ClueBzrServer
[18:32] <danigm> LarstiQ: finally I use acl and it works
[18:34] <LarstiQ> danigm: glad to hear
[19:36] <axxman> Has anyone had trouble getting apache to allow access to the .bzr/branches/format file? It seems to just be unwilling to show any file named "format" for some reason...
[21:04] <ronny> sup
[21:05] <ronny> Guest12468: jelmer: is there any eta for when dulwich can read git status information? im kinda pissed off cause i need 3 subprocess calls
[21:06] <ronny> (wd, inex and tree=
[21:06] <jelmer> ronny, So, "git status" is a bit ambiguous. I'm likely to implement whatever bzr-git needs soon, what is the data that you need exactly?
[21:07] <jelmer> ronny, Whatever bzr-git needs to yield the results required for "bzr status" that is
[21:09] <ronny> jelmer: so it will be semilar to iter_changes from bzr branches?
[21:10] <jelmer> ronny: Not similar, it'll be something that makes sense in the git model
[21:10] <jelmer> but what I will put in is driven by bzr-git, basically
[21:10] <ronny> jelmer: the index is a huge pain
[21:11] <ronny> at least dulwich is really great for dealing with the history
[21:12] <ronny> jelmer: is writing objects already in somewhere, my very light skimming of the api didnt reveal something like that
[21:12] <jelmer> ronny: Is there any chance I could get you to describe the API of the function you're looking for?
[21:12] <jelmer> ronny, That way I can make sure whatever I'll implement is sufficient for what you need
[21:13] <ronny> jelmer: im in early stages of evolving how i get metadata access in anyvc
[21:14] <jelmer> ronny, dulwich can write new commits, based on an index object and an object store
[21:14] <ronny> jelmer: so no entirely in memory commit builder yet?
[21:15] <ronny> jelmer: anyway, my needs for workdir states is partially collected in http://bitbucket.org/RonnyPfannschmidt/anyvc/src/tip/anyvc/metadata.py
[21:15] <jelmer> ronny, (an object store being one of the parts of a repository)
[21:15] <ronny> there is some other crap in i tought that would be usefull (but i was wrong)
[21:15] <jelmer> ronny: In memory commit building is possible
[21:16] <ronny> im not entirely sure if a single string is enough tho
[21:17] <ronny> jelmer: my current translation of bzr workdir states is kinda messy tho
[21:18] <ronny> http://bitbucket.org/RonnyPfannschmidt/anyvc/src/tip/anyvc/workdir/bzr.py#cl-54 screams fragile
[21:19] <ronny> if anyone wants to review/give hints - please now ;P
[21:19] <mwhudson> jelmer: hello
[21:20] <mwhudson> jelmer: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/live-helper/trunk <- failing git import
[21:20] <jelmer> mwhudson: hey
[21:20] <mwhudson> jelmer: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/vlc/master <- initial import succeeded, update filed
[21:20] <mwhudson> failed
[21:20] <jelmer> mwhudson, If I recall correctly the first I fixed recently in bzr-git
[21:21] <mwhudson> jelmer: ok
[21:21] <jelmer> it's an issue that occurs when there are directories that are turned into files or the other way around
[21:21] <Peng_> jelmer: Oh hi. You misuse lstrip in a couple places in bzr-svn. "food".lstrip("of") -> "d", but you're trying to use it to strip off "of" exactly.
[21:21] <mwhudson> ah right, that would explain the error a bit
[21:21] <jelmer> Peng_, Ah, darn
[21:21] <jelmer> Peng_, Thanks
[21:22] <emmajane> jelmer, did evn track you down today?
[21:22] <jelmer> mwhudson, Do you know whether the original vlc import gave any warnings about incorrect modes/commit messages with funny characters?
[21:22] <jelmer> emmajane: I'm not sure actually, do you know what his fullname is?
[21:23] <emmajane> jelmer, it was in IRC last night. Question about git/bzr integration and a foreign something not being found.
[21:23] <mwhudson> jelmer: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/27212948/vlc-master-log.txt <- doesn't look like it, not 110% sure warnings would show up there
[21:23] <Peng_> jelmer: fwiw, all uses of rstrip and strip are okay.
[21:23] <mwhudson> jelmer: but yeah it looks like that issue
[21:23] <emmajane> jelmer, they were trying to follow: http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrForeignBranches/Git/Server but running into problems.
[21:23] <mwhudson> jelmer: given that it's vlc, i bet it's commiter names or something
[21:23] <mwhudson> (lots of french people)
[21:24] <jelmer> Did you just say that French people cause import errors?
[21:24] <mwhudson> well
[21:25] <jelmer> emmajane: No, in that case I haven't talked to them
[21:25] <mwhudson> they have funny foreign mucky characters in their names
[21:25] <jelmer> emmajane: Are they here at UDS, do you know?
[21:25] <emmajane> jelmer, Not as far as I know.
[21:25] <emmajane> jelmer, it was a question in IRC last night.
[21:26] <jelmer> emmajane: Ah, sorry
[21:28] <jelmer> mwhudson, Is that log basically whatever ends up in .bzr.log ? If so, warnings should be in there
[21:28] <emmajane> jelmer, If they're back tonight in my time zone (North America) is there a specific branch I should point them at to make those instructions work?
[21:28] <mwhudson> jelmer: it's the stderr, with a somewhat customized uifactory
[21:30] <jelmer> emmajane: I fixed up the server side implementation yesterday, so unfortunately it'll only work with bzr-git trunk, dulwich trunk and bzr.dev
[21:30] <jelmer> emmajane: With those three branches, it should be a matter of running "bzr serve --git"
[21:30] <emmajane> ok
[21:31] <emmajane> jelmer, if I updated that wiki page to list those three branches could you take a look and make sure what i wrote is true?
[21:32] <jelmer> emmajane: the BzrForeignBranches/Git/Server one ?
[21:32] <emmajane> yeah
[21:33] <jelmer> emmajane, I don't see any changes there
[21:33]  * emmajane grins. *if* I haven't done them yet.
[21:33] <emmajane> I just opened the edit page. ;)
[21:34] <jelmer> Argh
[21:34] <jelmer> Sorry, my brain is half-asleep :-)
[21:34] <emmajane> assok.
[21:34] <emmajane> half a sec and I'll get them written up.
[21:37] <emmajane> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bzr/bzr-git/trunk <--- that's the plugin, right?
[21:38] <jelmer> emmajane, yep
[21:38] <emmajane> I'm just trying to figure out what the URLs are for those bzr-git trunk, dulwichi trunk and bzr.dev
[21:39] <jelmer> emmajane: Dulwich is at http://people.samba.org/bzr/jelmer/dulwich/trunk, bzr.dev is at http://bazaar-vcs.org/bzr/bzr.dev
[21:40] <emmajane> thanks.
[21:40] <emmajane> http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrForeignBranches/Git/Server
[21:40] <emmajane> updated.
[21:42] <emmajane> diff here: http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrForeignBranches/Git/Server?action=diff&rev2=11&rev1=9
[21:42] <jelmer> emmajane, Thanks, that looks good
[21:43] <emmajane> \o/
[21:44] <emmajane> jelmer, I'm amazed you're still awake after the brain fry of UDS. :)
[21:46] <jelmer> emmajane, Only half :-) But yeah, UDS is quite intense.
[21:46] <jelmer> I wonder how the Canonical folks deal with 2 weeks of this :-)
[21:46] <emmajane> jelmer, they're the ones who are already asleep. ;)
[21:50] <mwhudson> jelmer: badly
[22:33] <ronny> jelmer: i think the state for git can only be expressed in some kind of tuple, cause the index gets in the way
[22:33] <jelmer> evn, hi
[22:33] <evn> oh hey
[22:33] <jseabold> Hello all, I am relatively new to DVCS and bzr and was wondering if someone might help me out.
[22:33] <jseabold> I have a working directory that has a different push branch, parent branch, and submit branch.
[22:33] <jseabold> The push branch is my branch (which I just pushed to from another computer), how do I update the working directory on my other computer with these changes?
[22:33] <jelmer> evn, emmajane mentioned you were trying to set up bzr-git serve the other day?
[22:33] <jseabold> bzr update told me I was at the newest revision.
[22:34] <evn> yeah...it can't find the 'foreign' module
[22:34] <emmajane> jelmer, thanks :)
[22:34] <emmajane> jelmer, you rock!
[22:35] <evn> jelmer: http://pastie.org/491990
[22:35] <mwhudson> evn: you need a newer bzr, i bet
[22:35] <jelmer> evn: In order to run the server you need the latest development versions of bzr/bzr-git/dulwich
[22:35] <jelmer> evn: see also http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrForeignBranches/Git/Server
[22:37] <evn> i installed dulwich
[22:37] <evn> oh that page looks changed
[22:37] <evn> at least from what i saw yesterday
[22:37] <evn> i will try it
[23:08] <bob2> jseabold: if the push was successful, 'bzr up' should update the working copy
[23:14] <yacoob> hello there.
[23:14] <yacoob> If I say "bzr ignore '*.pyc'", how come "bzr add *" is still adding those?
[23:17] <maxb> yacoob: Probably because your shell expands * into an explicit list of files, so it looks to bzr as if you're explicitly telling it to
[23:18] <mneptok> yacoob: don't quote *
[23:19] <mneptok> bzr ignore *.pyc
[23:20] <fullermd> No, you probably want to quote it...
[23:20] <yacoob> mneptok, no, that's not what I want. I want to ignore ALL .pyc files, and if I don't quote it, shell will expand it and add only specific files
[23:21] <yacoob> maxb, so explicit bzr add doesn't follow ignore rules? ok.
[23:21] <yacoob> (they disappeared from bzr status... so that's a good sign :)
[23:33] <Peng_> yacoob: That's correct. Explicitly adding things overrides ignore rules.


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[19:55] <amireldor> Avihay, hi
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[19:57] <amireldor> Avihay, do you have that github link for me?
[19:57] <Avihay> https://bitbucket.org/avihay/willie-modules
[19:58] <amireldor> thx
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[20:01] <ASHER1> do you have download?
[20:01] <amireldor> so i'm forking it
[20:01] <Avihay> it may be polite about it, but that's what I had in mind when I wrote it
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[20:02] <Avihay> I don't know, but Willie has proven to be a bit unstable
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[20:04]  * amireldor signing out
 Avihay, guess why.  <Avihay> I don't know, but Willie has proven to be a bit unstable
 I'm on W7  <Avihay> you have my condolences
[20:04] <amireldor> ttyl guys
[20:04] <Avihay> actually, I find win 7 less annoing then unity
[20:05] <Avihay> and win8 feels like unity, and doesn't bother much, once you learn how to close the "new style" JS applications
[20:06] <Avihay> once I put my awesome Megurine Luka - Courruption gurden wallpaper, it didn't bother me much
[20:06] <Avihay> oh, and gitbash
[20:06] <Avihay> gitbash on windows makes ya feel a bit at home far away from home
[20:07] <Avihay> probably cegwin too, but never tried it


[18:25] <superfly> o/
[18:46] <paddatrapper> superfly: hey
[18:46] <superfly> hey paddatrapper! back from your trip?
[18:47] <paddatrapper> superfly: about to depart from Jo'berg now now
[18:48] <paddatrapper> superfly: how is the move going?
[18:48] <superfly> paddatrapper: we only move in Feb
[18:48] <paddatrapper> superfly: ah still a little time then
[18:49] <superfly> We need to hash out fixing a few things with the owner, and the appraisal needs to be done.
[18:49] <superfly> Once that is done, our loan/mortgage should be approved and if everything works out correctly, the house is ours on the 14th of Feb
[18:50] <paddatrapper> Ah awesome! I'll be back in a bit


[07:04] <mvo> could someone with a fedora system check the selinux label for /lib/firware for me please (stat /lib/firmware)?
[08:47] <mvo> pedronis, Chipaca good morning :)
[08:47] <mvo> pedronis: thanks for your review!
[08:48] <Chipaca> mvo: morning! i was here earlier but then needed to step away for a bit (and the laptop went to sleep :) )
[08:48] <Chipaca> mvo: how's things?
[08:49] <pedronis> Chipaca: mvo: hi
[08:50] <mvo> Chipaca: things are looking good, very quiet in the morning with so many people on vac :)
[08:51] <Chipaca> mvo: let's set things on fire :-)
[08:51] <mvo> Chipaca: haha!
[08:52]  * mvo fetches his asbestos suite (its still warm from the latest flamewars)
[08:52]  * Chipaca puts away the kindling
[08:52] <Chipaca> yeah... ha! ha!
[08:59] <pedronis> I merged 7036 with a long commit message
[09:00] <mvo> pedronis: thanks for this
[09:12] <pedronis> Chipaca: as we talked about the various snapd type PRs are fou you to shepard from 6977 to 7086 (and 7092 but the last one needs snapcraft)
[09:12]  * Chipaca nods
[09:13] <pedronis> I will try myself to look at and move forward some of Pawel's PRs
[09:13] <pedronis> my own PRs need reviews or 2nd reviews
[09:33] <ogra> pedronis, remind me ... did we eventually allow interface connections from gadget.yaml by name ? ( https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/connection-with-gadget-spidev0-plug/12281 )
[09:34] <ogra> (i think i remember you said something along that line a while ago)
[09:35] <pedronis> ogra: we have a connections stanza in gadget.yaml
[09:37] <pedronis> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/the-gadget-snap/696
[09:45] <pedronis> mvo: another comment on 7105
[09:46] <mvo> pedronis: thanks, looking
[09:48] <pedronis> mvo: is there anything else that is urgent for me to review?
[09:49] <ogra> pedronis, yes, but in the past (and apparently at present too) that only allowed connections per-ID i thought i remembered there were plans to allow connections by-name ....
[09:49] <mvo> pedronis: nothing urgent I think
[09:49] <pedronis> ogra: no, that hasn't changed
[09:50] <ogra> k, thanks
[09:50] <pedronis> we don't allow names in defaults eitehr
[09:50] <pedronis> *either
[09:51] <ogra> yeah, i know
[10:44] <Chipaca> mvo: can you confirm you're ok with the first snapd type pr now?
[10:44] <Chipaca> (i think your issues were addressed?)
[10:45] <Chipaca> I don't think I'll land it until they're all ready, but wanted to confirm
[10:45] <mvo> Chipaca: will check in a a wee bit
[10:46] <mvo> Chipaca: 6977 ?
[10:46] <Chipaca> mvo: yus
[10:46] <mvo> ta
[11:43] <Chipaca> kenvandine: do we have a bug # for the "seed.yaml wronk in eoan daily cdimage" thing?
[11:44] <Chipaca> kenvandine: because https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1836569
[11:44] <Chipaca> dunno if it's actually the same as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/livecd-rootfs/+bug/1828500
[11:45]  * Chipaca goes to fix lunch
[11:59] <mvo> Eighth_Doctor: hey, cgroup v2 is not yet enabled by default in fedora 31, is it? I am just playing with the livecd and it seems I still have v1 (?)
[11:59] <Eighth_Doctor> mvo: not yet, no
[12:00] <Eighth_Doctor> it'll likely get done next week
[12:00] <Eighth_Doctor> but you can test in v2 mode now if you want
[12:02] <Eighth_Doctor> mvo: almost everything in Fedora except snaps is ready for cgroups v2
[12:59] <mvo> Eighth_Doctor: thanks! I'm looking into making sure snaps also work, this is why I was asking :)
[12:59] <mvo> Eighth_Doctor: I use "systemd.unified_cgroup_hierarchy" in the kernel cmdline
[13:01] <Eighth_Doctor> huh, then it might be enabled
[13:02] <Eighth_Doctor> if `systemd.unified_cgroup_hierarchy=1` is set as a boot parameter, then it will use cgroups v2
[13:02] <Eighth_Doctor> there's limited automatic translation of cgroupsv1 terms to cgroupsv2 terms by systemd itself
[13:05] <mvo> Eighth_Doctor: thank you, I will keep poking (in  a meeting right now)
[13:15] <kenvandine> Chipaca: i suspect that's the same as bug 1828500
[13:39]  * Chipaca afk for a bit
[13:54] <ackk> jdstrand, oh I had missed your message, thanks for the updated snapd package, will test now!
[13:58] <ijohnson> mvo: reviewed 7105 for you
[14:00] <mvo> ijohnson: thank you!
[14:52] <ijohnson> what's the most up to date way to get spread installed locally? maybe cachio do you know?
[14:52] <cachio> jutst download from ..
[14:53] <cachio> ijohnson, https://niemeyer.s3.amazonaws.com/spread-amd64.tar.gz
[14:53] <cachio> this is the officialbinary
[14:53] <cachio> also you can use the spread snap
[14:56] <ijohnson> cachio: ok, thanks
[14:57] <zyga> ijohnson: try spread.zygoon.pl for images
[14:57] <zyga> Greetings from almost Andorra
[14:59] <ijohnson> hey zyga
[14:59] <ijohnson> thanks I'll take a look there too
[15:01] <ijohnson> it would be nice if HACKING.md was updated to mention zyga's spread images
[15:08] <Chipaca> ijohnson: go for it
[15:09] <Chipaca> ijohnson: bah
[15:09] <Chipaca> ijohnson: check with zyga first?
[15:09] <ijohnson> maybe I will
[15:09] <Chipaca> ijohnson: he's mentioned them to me in private
[15:09] <ijohnson> ... check with zyga
[15:09] <Chipaca> ijohnson: not sure that url exists in a public place (meaning he might not want it crawled)
[15:09] <ijohnson> I see
[15:10] <ijohnson> I'll let zyga have his vacation and check on it next week
[15:10] <Chipaca> ijohnson: :-)
[15:10] <Chipaca> ijohnson: nah, message him, the photos he's posting to twitter are much too nice to let it pass
[15:19] <zyga> Chipaca: it is public
[15:24] <zyga> ijohnson: it is my new CDN setup, go for it please :-)
[15:33] <Eighth_Doctor> zyga, robert_ancell_, mvo: I need help? https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/gnome-software/pull-request/1
[15:34] <Eighth_Doctor> it looks like the core is that they think Ubuntu isn't using GNOME Software anymore: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/gnome-software/pull-request/1#comment-27692
[15:34] <Eighth_Doctor> if they could be assured otherwise in the ticket, then they may let us put it back
[15:40] <ackk> Chipaca,  is it possible to pass additional LD_PRELOAD to snapcraft-preload?
[15:41] <mvo> kenvandine, willcooke could you pleae have a look at the pr and lines from Eighth_Doctor above? not sure what exactly our plan so I don't feel qualified to comment myself
[15:43] <ackk> actually, I should ask sergiusens :)
[15:44] <jdstrand> msalvatore: hey, would you mind approving r79 through r84 of https://dashboard.snapcraft.io/snaps/test-snapd-daemon-user/ ?
[15:45] <jdstrand> msalvatore: it is a test snap where the the review-tools don't have the current iteration of the snap.yaml for the feature
[15:45] <msalvatore> jdstrand: ok, so they can be approved despite the warning?
[15:46] <jdstrand> msalvatore: yes. I updated the tools, but it isn't in prod yet
[15:50] <kenvandine> mvo: commented
[15:53] <jdstrand> msalvatore: thanks!
[15:54] <msalvatore> jdstrand: any time
[15:54] <mvo> kenvandine: thank you!
[15:58] <sergiusens> ackk: go ahead and ask :-)
[16:00] <ackk> sergiusens, looking at snapcraft-preload code (and my cpp is very poor) it seems ifyou have LD_PRELOAD set, it should get passed on to called binaries. it that correct?
[16:02] <sergiusens> ackk: the one snapcraft-preload sets, yes
[16:02] <ackk> sergiusens, no I mean, if you have LD_PRELOAD set in the env where snapcraft-preload is called
[16:02] <ackk> sergiusens, I see it looks at LD_PRELOAD in the env
[16:04] <ackk> sergiusens, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3k3SgJVFFC/
[16:04] <ackk> sergiusens, basically I would need to pass my LD_PRELOAD down
[16:04] <sergiusens> ackk: as long as you do not use https://github.com/sergiusens/snapcraft-preload/blob/master/snapcraft-preload.in
[16:05] <sergiusens> and do the preload declaration yourself
[16:05] <ackk>     environment:
[16:05] <ackk>       LD_PRELOAD: $SNAP/usr/lib/stub_initgroups.so
[16:05] <ackk> sergiusens, ^ I have this in the snap app, and have command: bin/snapcraft-preload <mycommand>
[16:06] <ackk> sergiusens, but that's not working
[16:06] <sergiusens> ackk: well yeah, snapcraft-preload wipes your LD_PRELOAD as I just mentioned above
[16:07] <ackk> sergiusens, is there a way to combine them?
[16:08] <sergiusens> do not use the snapcraft-preload script seems like the first step and only LD_PRELOAD the library it creates
[16:08] <ackk> sergiusens, ah I see
[16:11] <ackk> sergiusens, thanks I'll try that way
[16:16] <mvo> Eighth_Doctor: do you think you could have a quick check for https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7104/files ? the selinux bits there? should be easy for someone with selinux skills, but everyone if have with them is currently not around :/
[16:17] <Eighth_Doctor> mvo: I'll take a look in a bit :)
[16:18] <mvo> Eighth_Doctor: *thank you*
[17:10] <cachio> mvo, hey, core validation is done but dragonboard beta image doesn't boot
[17:10] <cachio> stable image with core rfom beta works well
[17:10] <cachio> but beta image doesn't
[17:10] <cachio> still debugging that
[17:56] <mvo> cachio: thank you! that is unexpected, curious about your findings
[17:57] <cachio> mvo, seems to be a problem wiht the image
[17:57] <cachio> mvo, I am testing a new one now
[18:00] <mvo> cachio: thank you
[18:01] <cachio> mvo, yaw
[18:06] <jdstrand> are there any tricks to make the 'prepare' step in spread to go faster?
[18:07] <jdstrand> I use -reuse, but all I really want to do is adjust the task.yaml and retry
[18:08]  * jdstrand wonders if he can run rerun a task.yaml while in -debug...
[19:18] <ackk> jdstrand, ftr tested your 2.40-like build with daemon user, everything seems to work fine. thanks
[19:34] <leftyfb> on the assumption that we can install a snap from the snap package file as opposed to the snap stop, in doing so, does that prevent the snap from auto-updating?
[19:43] <jdstrand> ackk: great! fyi, I'm actively working on incorporating various feedback into the PR and will give you an updated deb when I have final approval on the snap.yaml. as it stand, it will change to 'system-users: [ snap_daemon ]', but that isn't *final*
[19:44] <jdstrand> ackk: (which means you'll need to s/daemon/snap_daemon/ in the other parts of your snap (that part is final))
[19:45] <jdstrand> ackk: if you'd prefer, I can give you a deb that uses the above snap.yaml and finalized 'snap_daemon' user, with the understanding that the snap.yaml will change, or we can just wait
[19:52] <zyga> jdstrand: tip: use task.sh
[19:52] <zyga> jdstrand: and in task.yaml, execute it
[19:52] <zyga> jdstrand: it works best without prepare/restore inside task itself
[19:52] <zyga> (I'm not really here, greetings from hotel wifi)
[19:53] <jdstrand> zyga: ok, thanks, I'll play with that. and hello :)
[19:54] <zyga> jdstrand: hello :)
[19:54] <zyga> jdstrand: it also works nice with test-cleanup tool but that's just on my laptop, for now, it allows you to have prepare/restore like logic embedded inside task.sh+task.yaml
[19:54] <zyga> jdstrand: I'm in Andorra today
[19:55] <jdstrand> zyga: nice nice and cool :)
[19:58] <ackk> jdstrand, it doesn't really matter until it's final, as we won't merge the changes for the system user until we have that
[19:59] <jdstrand> ackk: that's what I figured. cool
[19:59] <ackk> jdstrand, so "snap_daemon" *is* final you mean?
[19:59] <ackk> just how you declare it isn't?


[15:32] <bluca> are the ci runners clogged? lvm2 has been in noble-proposed for more than a week now waiting for amd64 autopkgtest runs
[16:01] <paride> bluca, hi, your --env patch is now live
[16:03] <paride> bluca, and in autopkgtest 5.33 (in Debian)
[16:03] <bluca> nice, thank you! I'll try it out


[15:40] <Unit193> bluesabre: I won't be packaging any 4.15 for "early access" or early testing.
[15:41] <bluesabre> Unit193: sounds fair to me
[15:45] <Unit193> I'd highly not recommend putting them in the same place the 4.14 stuff is now, if you decide to package.