[02:05] <asac> interesting
[02:05] <asac> foe stable it works despite producing -dbg
[02:05] <asac> anyway ... g'night
[04:32] <shirish> anybody up guys?
[04:32] <shirish> asac: gnomefreak: Ubulette: anybody?
[04:34] <shirish> Paddy_EIRE: did you update/upgrade to yesterday's build of firefox-trunk
[05:36] <shirish> ubuntulog
[10:00] <shirish> tonyyarusso: are you up m8?
[10:02] <Ubulette> hi
[10:03] <shirish> Ubulette: hey, cool
[10:03] <shirish> Ubulette: any idea why firefox-trunk not up?
[10:03] <Ubulette> it is
[10:03] <shirish> shirish@Mugglewille:~$ firefox-trunk
[10:03] <shirish> Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9a8pre and 1.9a8pre.
[10:04] <Ubulette> hmm
[10:04] <shirish> this is what I'm getting after updating to yesterday's build :(
[10:04] <Ubulette> cat /etc/gre.d/1.9a8pre.system.conf
[10:05] <shirish> hang on
[10:05] <Ubulette> what do you see ?
[10:05] <shirish> Ubulette: no such file or directory
[10:05] <Ubulette> damn
[10:05] <Ubulette> apt-get install xulrunner-1.9
[10:05] <Ubulette> (i broken depends then)
[10:05] <Ubulette> (i broke depends then)
[10:08] <shirish> Ubulette: ok no issue
[10:09] <shirish> Ubulette: I hope you are going to be here for a while, I'm going to do this and report back.
[10:10] <Ubulette> shirish, it's supposed to work as 'im runing it
[10:10] <shirish> Ubulette: also, I have couple of other queries too, but related to exaile, maybe you can help me find the solution to it.
[10:10] <Ubulette> well, i have to go soon. I'll be back this evening.
[10:10] <shirish> Ubulette: not doubting you at all, its just sometime its better to have the expert around ;)
[10:13] <shirish> Ubulette: success, it works thanx ;)
[10:15] <shirish> Ubulette: see you in the evening, btw I did see that you spllitted the other things you said you would. libnspr & couple of other things, very nice. Smaller .debs so easier ;)
[10:15] <Ubulette> yep
[10:15] <Ubulette> glad to see it worked :)
[10:16] <shirish> thank you very much for that, for us on 256 kbps would bless you everyday for that :)
[10:16] <shirish> with 400 ms & above latencies
[10:16] <Ubulette> you still have to dl xulrunner though...
[10:17] <shirish> Ubulette: that I guess should now update itself, and I'm sure at some point you'll put it into the depends list as well
[10:17] <Ubulette> right
[10:18] <shirish> Ubulette: have you used/played with bzr?
[10:19] <Ubulette> everyday here
[10:19] <shirish> Ubulette: then you are right person to ask this question
[10:21] <shirish> Ubulette: in svn, we checkout saying , svn co something something, then the next time I go inside the something directory & just say svn up & it updates/upgrades
[10:21] <shirish> how does one do updates in bzr?
[10:22] <gnomefreak> shirish: to push updates commit the files that you changed and than push them
[10:23] <gnomefreak> shirish: or grab from an already updated branch than merge and push
[10:23] <Ubulette> either bzr co if you just want the last snapshot, or bzr pull if you started with bzr branch
[10:23] <shirish> gnomefreak: I'm not doing any commits or anything
[10:23] <gnomefreak> shirish: than bzr pull
[10:23] <shirish> Ubulette: this is what they have given  bzr checkout http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~exaile-devel/exaile/main exaile
[10:23] <shirish> gnomefreak: this is from under the subdirectory, say exaile, right?
[10:24] <gnomefreak> shirish: yes
[10:24] <gnomefreak> or from inside debian
[10:24] <shirish> gnomefreak: thanx, will try it in a moment.
[10:25] <Ubulette> see you
[10:25] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: have fun
[10:25] <shirish> Ubulette: take care, thanx a zillion ;)
[10:25] <shirish> gnomefreak: bzr full gives me this
[10:25] <shirish>  bzr pull
[10:25] <shirish> bzr: ERROR: No pull location known or specified.
[10:25] <shirish> :(
[10:26] <gnomefreak> shirish: than bzr pull <http://fromthecodesiteinLP>
[10:26] <shirish> gnomefreak: I was thinking of an easier way to do stuff.
[10:27] <gnomefreak> shirish: if you give me the page for the package ill give you the exact link but it will be just above the stfp link
[10:27] <shirish> gnomefreak: here is what it gives in bzr info exaile
[10:27] <shirish> shirish@Mugglewille:~$ bzr info exaile
[10:27] <shirish> Checkout (format: dirstate)
[10:27] <shirish> Location:
[10:27] <shirish>        checkout root: file:///home/shirish/exaile/
[10:27] <shirish>   checkout of branch: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~exaile-devel/exaile/main/
[10:28] <shirish> any ideas
[10:28] <gnomefreak> yes give me a mintue
[10:28] <shirish> gnomefreak: also why does it want to make me root or something, isn't this wrong?
[10:28] <shirish> gnomefreak: take your time.
[10:29] <gnomefreak> shirish: is this a PPA repo or is this a bzr branch
[10:29] <shirish> gnomefreak: I have no idea, I just did what is given at http://exaile.org/downloads
[10:29] <gnomefreak> ok looking
[10:31] <gnomefreak> shirish: that looks more like a repo than a branch but they dont seem to give you branch
[10:31] <shirish> !PPA
[10:31] <ubotu> With Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart.
[10:32] <shirish> gnomefreak: I just chatted with one of the main developers, the link I gave is of a bzr. branch apparently
[10:32] <gnomefreak> i dont think you will beable to use that as a branch since they either hid it or its not really a branch
[10:32] <gnomefreak> shirish: the link should look more like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/sunbird/ubuntu-0.x
[10:33] <shirish> gnomefreak: I dunno, for I was able to checkout that one this morning itself.
[10:33] <gnomefreak> but notice you cant open his so maybe try bzr branch <the link on the site>
[10:33] <gnomefreak> shirish: not sure how co works in bzr i use clone/branch
[10:35] <gnomefreak> example bzr clone http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~asac/thunderbird/ubuntu-2.0.0.x
[10:35] <gnomefreak> im pushing to all my branches to update with mt :)
[10:35] <shirish> gnomefreak: thanx, will report it back to the guys
[11:04] <shirish> gnomefreak: was able to solve/resolve my issue, I was hunting for the familiar svn up, bzr up  which works nicely ;)
[11:04] <shirish> gnomefreak: thanx for your help
[11:21] <asac> gnomefreak: ok ... any news on ppa ?
[11:21] <gnomefreak> not yet
[11:21] <asac> are we sure that it gets wiped at some point?
[11:21] <gnomefreak> i have heard that its useble from outside dogfood
[11:21] <asac> maybe its just the old url that is used?
[11:21] <gnomefreak> they say it will be i havent looked yet though
[11:22] <asac> is there some official statement on that?
[11:22] <asac> e.g. something saying that it will get wiped?
[11:22] <gnomefreak> i just asked, but im sure it will be on launchpad-users ML
[11:22] <gnomefreak> yes on the PPA wiki
[11:22] <gnomefreak> !ppa
[11:22] <ubotu> With Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart.
[11:22] <gnomefreak> it should say it there
[11:22] <asac> tx
[11:23] <gnomefreak> np
[11:23] <asac> hmm on that page i don't see it
[11:23] <gnomefreak> have you guys decided what we are doing with nss nspr trunk and gp?
[11:23] <gnomefreak> i thought i saw it there
[11:24] <gnomefreak> fqdn = ppa.launchpad.net
[11:24] <gnomefreak> tells me its released
[11:24] <asac> ok ... and are our packages there already?
[11:25] <asac> maybe we should just start uploading to official ppa?
[11:25] <gnomefreak> no i have to build and upload
[11:25] <gnomefreak> cant move them :(
[11:26] <gnomefreak> let me see if i saved the email about it
[11:27] <asac> how much quota does our team need?
[11:27] <asac> i think for personal accounts 1gb is ok
[11:28] <asac> but not for our team :)
[11:28] <asac> maybe 25GB?
[11:28] <asac> or at least 10 to start with
[11:28] <gnomefreak> not sure what you want on there yet other than trunk gp nss nspr
[11:28] <gnomefreak> maybe start with 10
[11:28] <gnomefreak> see if they approve it
[11:29] <asac> well ... once i punch in testing uploads for security updates the space really gets soaked up i guess
[11:29] <asac> for firefox that is three new full origs on each security update
[11:30] <asac> for tbird its just one
[11:30] <gnomefreak> grrrrrrrr bzr is gonna piss me off way too early today
[11:30] <asac> gnomefreak: i think for nspr its like the name: nspr.trunk == trunk ... nspr.gp == gp ... for nss you might need to uncommit one revision
[11:30] <asac> as Ubulette :)
[11:30] <asac> ask
[11:31] <gnomefreak> he wont be back till later today
[11:31] <gnomefreak> but if i get everything known and done today i can work on it over weekend
[11:32] <gnomefreak> im just updating all my branches from MT
[11:33] <asac> fine
[11:33] <gnomefreak> ff-trunk is taking a very long time to push
[11:33] <asac> we can strip down sources
[11:33] <asac> i think Ubulette wanted to try this ... no idea if we have results so far though
[11:39] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[11:39] <asac> whats up?
[11:39] <gnomefreak> trunk isnt pushing
[11:40] <asac> to bzr?
[11:40] <gnomefreak> yeah
[11:40] <asac> well for me bzr.lp was down a lot of times for the last days
[11:40] <asac> i always blamed my provider ... but i think that the bzr server contributes its own share
[11:41] <gnomefreak> i think your right i think its bzr server
[11:42] <gnomefreak> have they moved everything from depending on ff to xulrunner yet?
[11:46] <asac> huh?
[11:46] <asac> who is they?
[11:48] <gnomefreak> they as in all the packages like epiphany depended on ff they (ubuntu-devel team) or core devel or whoever they are wanted to change ff depend to xul
[11:50] <asac_the_2nd> nono
[11:50] <asac_the_2nd> that won't happen till gutsy+1
[11:50] <asac_the_2nd> we are just building trunk packages here
[11:51] <asac_the_2nd> we could take a look how well epiphany works though.
[11:52] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[12:04] <gnomefreak> brb going for tea
[12:25] <gnomefreak> ok i think im pretty much done getting ready for PPA builds, ill talk to the guys in #launchpad a bit later about the packages on dogfood and stuff
[12:31] <asac> gnomefreak: i think we could just reupload (if lp people don't prefer to move the packages directly)
[12:32] <gnomefreak> asac: i was just thinking do i need to build binaries for nss and nspr before i build source for gp or trunk or will PPA handle that for me
[12:33] <gnomefreak> well with all the damn changes to nss nspr names and stuff i am starting fresh and would like to start everything at mt1 and ~7.04.mt1 if i can get away with it
[12:36] <gnomefreak> ok just fixed my dput.cf for none dogfood dput and waiting on answer from #lp
[12:37] <gnomefreak> and with the nss nspr question above i left out xulrunner since trunk depedns on it
[12:47] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak: what do you mean with nss/nspr question?
[12:48] <asac_the_2nd> i might be blind, but idon't see any question
[12:48] <gnomefreak> do i need to build binaries for nspr and nss and install them before i build gp or trunk
[12:48] <asac_the_2nd> i think so ... yes
[12:49] <gnomefreak> or will PPA install them to satisfy depends
[12:49] <asac_the_2nd> for gp you need nspr/nss.gp
[12:49] <asac_the_2nd> for turnk you need nss/nspr.trunk
[12:49] <gnomefreak> :(
[12:49] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak: in ppa, all should be happen automatically
[12:49] <asac_the_2nd> (if we do it right)
[12:49] <gnomefreak> well i was hoping i wouldnt hav eto install them before building source for gp/trunk
[12:50] <gnomefreak> maybe ill see how my gutsy chroot is doing
[12:51] <gnomefreak> and hoe bzr bd works in gutsy chroot (doesnt work in feistys)
[12:51] <gnomefreak> s/hoe/hope
[01:35] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2nd: dogfood will be dropped in a week or 2
[01:44] <gnomefreak> ok while this is doing its thing im going to eat bbs
[02:55] <gnomefreak> ok still eating but i uploaded nss and nspr im gonna wait to see if they build before building xulrunner and -trunk  (they built here but i need to see PPA build
[03:15] <gnomefreak> ok just got nspr uploaded and im pushing nss atm
[03:26] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: is -trunk still failing to build? and is xulrunner the correct depend? i saw you said the deps were messed up
[03:26] <asac> gnomefreak: any issues with new ppa so far?
[03:27] <gnomefreak> sort of but PPA so far works i just hate double building
[03:27] <gnomefreak> i havent had anything built that i uploaded yet
[03:27] <gnomefreak> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive
[03:28] <gnomefreak> nss was also uplaoded
[03:31] <asac_the_2nd> i have no idea ... am i still here?
[03:32] <asac_the_2nd> currently lp is down ... as well as moblin.org
[03:33] <gnomefreak> yes your here
[03:34] <gnomefreak> both sites work here
[03:35] <gnomefreak> i might stop with them atm and start of feisty builds since last i heard trunk fails to build
[04:08] <gnomefreak> asac_the_2nd: what is Build-Depends-Indep: and do i need them for build?
[04:13] <asac_the_2nd> gnomefreak: no we don't build indep packages afaik
[04:14] <gnomefreak> maybe it should be removed from xulrunner than?
[04:15] <gnomefreak> )
[04:16] <asac> gnomefreak: what depends are in there?
[04:16] <gnomefreak> java-gcj-compat-dev ecj-bootstrap
[04:17] <gnomefreak> there is somehting wrong with xulrunner anyway
[04:17] <asac> can we upload trunk an xulrunner?
[04:17] <asac> what did Ubulette say about that?
[04:17] <gnomefreak> i need xulrunner to build trunk
[04:17] <asac> yes thats right
[04:17] <gnomefreak> he said trunk was failing (think it had something to do with xulrunner)
[04:18] <asac> gnomefreak: so you are not sure?
[04:18] <gnomefreak> xulrunner is failing here because its looking for tarball xulrunner-1.9_1.9a8pre~cvs20070829~mt1.orig.tar.gz
[04:18] <asac> gnomefreak: i think its just a build-dep
[04:18] <asac> aeh a dep i mean
[04:18] <asac> xulrunner-devel has to depend on xulrunner
[04:19] <gnomefreak> that what he said but i wasnt here
[04:19] <gnomefreak> kind of concered that its looking for tarball with ~mt1 in its name
[04:20] <gnomefreak> could rename it but i would be renaming all of them each upload
[04:20] <asac> Ubulette: backport debian/patches/bz392722_fix_nsinstall_on_double_slash.patch update from firefox-trunk to reflect upstream partial commit
[04:20] <asac> Ubulette: what is going on there?
[04:20] <asac> partial commit?
[04:20] <asac> mozilla bug 392722
[04:20] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 392722 in Build Config "nsinstall chokes on double slashes in path" [Normal,New]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392722
[04:20] <gnomefreak> brb have to bug riddell about something.
[04:21] <gnomefreak> asac: Ubulette wont be back till later this evening
[04:22] <asac> Ubulette: ok i see .... ask review for nspr and nss then
[04:22] <gnomefreak> asac: maybe bug 136376 is ours but i thought i read riddell touched it last
[04:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136376 in flashplugin-nonfree "automatic update for mozilla-flashplayer make using flashplayer impossible" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136376
[04:24] <asac> gnomefreak: what is flashplayer-mozilla?
[04:24] <asac> gnomefreak: does he refer to flashplugin-nonfree?
[04:24] <gnomefreak> asac: i guess since the title has flashplugin-nonfree
[04:27] <gnomefreak> asac: can you join #kubuntu-devel for a min.
[04:30] <gnomefreak> trying xulrunner after renaming it.
[04:31] <asac> gnomefreak: flashplugin-nonfree is really broken
[04:31] <gnomefreak> asac: riddell touched it last see his comment in #ubuntu-devel
[04:32] <gnomefreak> im working through this PPA shit but i wasnt sure if this flash thing was due to what he did or not
[04:32] <gnomefreak> would determine who gets bug :)
[04:39] <gnomefreak> asac: dont forget to ping stgraber (you told me to remind you all the time)
[04:40] <asac> gnomefreak: yes thanks ... keep reminding me
[04:44] <gnomefreak> k
[04:44] <gnomefreak> i think i know what he did to xulrunner going to look.
[04:46] <gnomefreak> sed -n 's/^Version: *\(.*\)$$/\1/ p')  im gonna assume the $$ is a placeholder for the part of .orig.tar.gz just before .orig
[04:48] <gnomefreak> no maybe not
[04:50] <hjmf> asac, gnomefreak hi :)
[04:50] <gnomefreak> hi hf
[04:50] <hjmf> will you be online on monday at 13:00 UTC?
[04:50] <gnomefreak> hjmf:
[04:51] <gnomefreak> hi
[04:51] <gnomefreak> me?
[04:51] <hjmf> Its the CC meeting
[04:51] <hjmf> yes gnomefreak
[04:51] <gnomefreak> yes
[04:51] <hjmf> I'll be applying for membership
[04:52] <hjmf> and though I'm not sure if I'll be able to be online I'll try
[04:52] <gnomefreak> as of right now yes ill be there. if something happens and i cant be there i will email CC and cc you what i write
[04:53] <hjmf> thank you gnomefreak I'll ping you if I'm online when it will be my turn :)
[04:53] <gnomefreak> asac: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: java-gcj-compat-dev (>= 1.0.56) ecj-bootstrap (>= 3.1.2-6)  i dont like that since there were the indep build-deps
[04:53] <gnomefreak> hjmf: k ty
[04:53] <gnomefreak> need those to build binaries not source
[04:54] <gnomefreak> if i remember i will ask Ubulette to move them to build-deps and get rid of indep line
[04:55] <gnomefreak> another 29 extra packages due to those 2 packages :( aside from the first 90+ ones from normal build-deps
[04:58] <gnomefreak> !info ecj-bootstrap feisty
[04:58] <ubotu> ecj-bootstrap: standalone version of the Eclipse Java compiler (transitional package). In component main, is optional. Version 3.2.2-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 9 kB, installed size 60 kB
[04:59] <gnomefreak> !info java-gcj-compat-dev feisty
[04:59] <ubotu> java-gcj-compat-dev: Java runtime environment with GCJ. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.65-8ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 23 kB, installed size 180 kB
[05:01] <asac> gnomefreak: you guys should really be nicer to flashplugin-nonfree
[05:01] <asac> its a mess
[05:02] <asac> ubuntu4 there were 4 more uploads ... they all were broken
[05:02] <gnomefreak> asac: flash?
[05:02] <gnomefreak> flash has bee borked for a while on 64bit (as from bugs i have seen in passing)
[05:02] <asac> well ... how about fixing it?
[05:02] <asac> i mean somebody messed up the path
[05:03] <asac> for the 64-bit variant
[05:03] <gnomefreak> asac: what is needed to fix it?
[05:03] <asac> take a look at ubuntu4 ... and ubuntu8
[05:03] <asac> there is a difference to what file the alternative points
[05:03] <asac> i don't know who broke that ... but it should definitly be fixed ... and TESTED
[05:04] <gnomefreak> ill look as soon as i get caught up
[05:04] <gnomefreak> cant test 64bit
[05:04] <asac> well then figure out who broke that
[05:05] <asac> and let him fix that
[05:05] <gnomefreak> asac: this is on gutsy?
[05:05] <asac> the real path on adm64 is /var/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so
[05:05] <asac> yes
[05:05] <gnomefreak> grabbing source now
[05:05] <asac> but verify that through some motu
[05:05] <gnomefreak> npwrapper?
[05:05] <asac> (e.g. that latest plugin wrapper installs to that place)
[05:06] <asac> uses the 32-bit binary
[05:06] <asac> which is broken
[05:06] <asac> for amd64
[05:06] <gnomefreak> k
[05:07] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmmm
[05:07] <asac> at best find the guy that sponsored ubuntu5 ... and let him fix this :)
[05:07] <gnomefreak> not from what im seeing
[05:08] <gnomefreak> this is odd
[05:10] <gnomefreak> OLDDIR=/usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree-unpackdir
[05:10] <gnomefreak> NEWDIR=/var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree
[05:10] <gnomefreak> those 2 lines?
[05:10] <gnomefreak> or better yet NSPLUGIN_DIR=/var/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ /usr/bin/nspluginwrapper -n -i /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
[05:11] <gnomefreak> that would be pygi that did 5 and 6
[05:13] <gnomefreak> problem is i dont see anything that is amd64 alone all are the same but if i change it than 386 wont install in correct place
[05:18] <asac> this really really sucks
[05:18] <gnomefreak> well i think i found the line in postinst but preinst looks good but will have to go over it again
[05:18] <asac> now you need another upgrade path to fix yet another broken alternative
[05:18] <asac> please test carefullx that it works when done
[05:18] <gnomefreak> i think LP or PPA died
[05:18] <gnomefreak> asac: in flash?
[05:18] <asac> gnomefreak: the problem is that all is the same
[05:18] <gnomefreak> asac: i cant test it i dont have 64
[05:19] <asac> it wasn't the same in ubuntu4
[05:19] <asac> take a look there
[05:19] <asac> and you will see
[05:19] <gnomefreak> its a frigging mess all together
[05:19] <asac> and get the sponsor here ... i want him to guide this :)
[05:19] <gnomefreak> you might want to ping pygi on it
[05:19] <asac> he is not here
[05:19] <gnomefreak> i dont have a way to get ubuntu4
[05:19] <asac> do you have the upload mails?
[05:19] <asac> are you subscribed?
[05:20] <asac> if so fordward the ubuntu5 announcement
[05:20] <asac> i can then figure out the sponsor
[05:20] <gnomefreak> him and nofello(sp)
[05:20] <gnomefreak> asac: no
[05:20] <asac> gnomefreak: you can download from lp ubuntu4
[05:20] <gnomefreak> i dont keep them
[05:20] <gnomefreak> Nafallo:
[05:21] <gnomefreak> most likely he sponsered since he did fix shortly after pygis few times
[05:21] <gnomefreak> 'asread above Lp or PPa died
[05:21] <gnomefreak> or both since they are both launchpad.net addresses
[05:21] <asac> ok i have it
[05:22] <asac> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/gutsy-changes/2007-August/006251.html
[05:23] <gnomefreak> still doesnt say who sponsered it
[05:23] <cowng1> asac:
[05:24] <cowng1> asac: hi
[05:25] <asac> hey
[05:25] <cowng1> asac: I have checked-in a test version of midbrowser-menu.inc.test.  You can copy it on top of midbrowser-menu.inc and you will see how we want the menus look like.
[05:25] <asac> oh isn't it usable?
[05:26] <cowng1> asac: it has problem.
[05:26] <asac> ?
[05:27] <cowng1> asac: The history and bookmark doesn't behave right.  I dont think I did it right.  I am still learning how this XUL stuff work.  :(
[05:27] <gnomefreak> damn xulrunner orig.tar is huge
[05:27] <asac> cowng1: ok ... you have a screenshot i can now take a look at?
[05:28] <asac> ... i will push the cherry-picked pieces to master branch i a few
[05:28] <asac> can you please do a test build?
[05:28] <cowng1> asac:I will do a test build.
[05:28] <asac> and if you are ok, i can tag it
[05:28] <asac> and release
[05:28] <asac> ok fine
[05:28] <asac> let me push
[05:29] <gnomefreak> 40mb is too damn big for this package imho
[05:30] <cowng1> asac: btw I heard that your samung should arrive in couple of weeks and I will send to u when I get it.
[05:34] <asac> cowng1: ok fine ... maybe send me the next generation directly then ;)
[05:34] <asac> just kiddin
[05:34] <asac> cowng1: pushed master
[05:34] <cowng1> asac:  I dont have a screen shot but it will look like this:
[05:35] <cowng1>             New Tab
[05:35] <cowng1>             View     ->
[05:35] <cowng1>             History ->
[05:35] <cowng1>             Bookmarks ->
[05:35] <cowng1>            Tools ->
[05:35] <cowng1>            About
[05:35] <cowng1>            Quit
[05:35] <cowng1> asac: ok
[05:35] <asac> did you already try to use popup?
[05:35] <cowng1> will do test build
[05:35] <asac> cowng1: remember to use master
[05:35] <cowng1> asac: I put those in menupopup
[05:35] <cowng1> yes
[05:35] <asac> when its good for oyu i will fast forward the <IP_ADDRESS> master branch and rebase WORKING
[05:36] <asac> ok i will take a look before i rebase
[05:36] <asac> at your .inc.test
[05:36] <cowng1> k
[05:36] <asac> di you use xbl? to implement the hildon behaviour?
[05:37] <cowng1> no,  still trying to figure it how the xbl stuff work.
[05:44] <asac> cowng1: did you see the example?
[05:44] <asac> e.g. what i did with the menubar ?
[05:45] <asac> to make it appear and disappear?
[05:45] <cowng1> Yes I saw.
[05:45] <asac> yes ... the idea is you bind an xbl binding to a xul element through css (see midbrowser.css)
[05:46] <asac> then you can extend the element that this css rule matched
[05:46] <asac> you can add properties, constructur/destructor
[05:47] <asac> and can rewrapp the children ... look in the content element of that xml file
[05:47] <cowng1> Instead of menubar, we should really bind it to a menupopup or menulist, right?
[05:47] <asac> well ... i think its best to introduce a new element called hildonmenu
[05:47] <asac> (just by binding xbl to that)
[05:47] <asac> then the content would be

[05:48] <asac>  <children>

[05:48] <asac> or something like that
[05:48] <asac> e.g. you take the previous children of hildonmenu and wrap that into a menupopup
[05:49] <cowng1> ok   I am going thru some of the xbl and xul tutorial from mozilla.org to get a better handle on how this thing work.  I will do that
[05:49] <asac> try that ... and try to modify existing menupopups
[05:49] <asac> but i think the hildonmenu will be better
[05:50] <asac> but both should be possible
[05:50] <cowng1> k
[05:50] <asac> let me know if the build works and menubar works in hildon
[05:50] <asac> then i can tag et al
[05:50] <asac> thanks
[05:50] <cowng1> I will
[05:50] <cowng1> just start the build
[05:53] <asac> cowng1: damn thin i saw that the revert was too much
[05:54] <asac> i will redo the commits properly
[05:54] <cowng1> ok
[05:58] <asac> ok done
[05:58] <asac> cowng1: ^
[06:04] <cowng1> ok
[06:18] <shirish> asac: Ubulette: gnomefreak: anybody up?
[06:28] <shirish> !plone
[06:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about plone - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:37] <cowng1> asac: build went ok and it works great. Please tag and release..  Thanks
[07:00] <asac> cowng1: tagged
[07:00] <cowng1> tx
[07:14] <Ubulette> hi
[07:14] <Ubulette> asac, gnomefreak: what happened ?
[07:16] <asac> Ubulette: to what?
[07:16] <asac> cowng1: what do i need to call to produce the orig?
[07:16] <asac> aeh the tarball i mean ;)
[07:17] <Ubulette> asac, seems you two had trouble with xul/ff3, tarballs, ppa, ...
[07:18] <Ubulette> troubleS
[07:18] <asac> no gnomefreak claimed that you had troubles
[07:18] <asac> and feared that he would have troubles as well
[07:18] <asac> no idea if there are issues
[07:18] <asac> Ubulette: can we just upload?
[07:18] <cowng1> asac: u mean the name of script to build the tar ball?
[07:18] <asac> to ppa ? ... i mean is xulrunner branch ready?
[07:19] <asac> cowng1: no i see that ... i run bash build_release.sh midbrowser  0.1.6b
[07:19] <asac> and it fails
[07:19] <Ubulette> if you're in sync with lp, as of less than 6h ago, it should work out of the box
[07:19] <asac> i think its the top-level directory which is wrong
[07:19] <Ubulette> dont use the .dev branches for ppa
[07:19] <asac> Ubulette: ok then i don't know the issues
[07:20] <cowng1> asac: the toplevel directory should be mozilla
[07:20] <asac> cowng1: maybe we should use the git archive command instead?
[07:21] <cowng1> ok with me.
[07:23] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, tell me if you had troubles with anything.
[07:24] <asac> Ubulette: did gnomefreak use the dev branche sof nss/nspr?
[07:27] <Ubulette> no idea
[07:27] <asac> cowng1: ok working has been rebased ... you can go ahead
[07:28] <asac> ... ouch
[07:28] <asac> did i just kill one commit of you?
[07:29] <asac> cowng1: i think i overwrote your example menu commit
[07:29] <asac> you can reapply it by first branching of your current working branch
[07:29] <asac> then force pulling the new rebased working tree
[07:29] <asac> and then merging over your new changes
[07:30] <asac> cowng1: ^^^^^
[07:30] <cowng1_> k
[07:30] <asac> sorry
[07:30] <asac> i should have pulled before rebasing
[07:30] <cowng1_> no prob
[07:31] <asac> otherwise there are three checkins on top that accumulate to zero change
[07:31] <asac> at somepoint we should just eliminate them
[07:33] <asac> cowng1: git archive --prefix=mozilla/ 0.1.6b  | bzip2 > ../midbrowser-0.1.6b-source.tar.bz2
[07:33] <asac> thats good
[07:33] <asac> maybe update the build_release accordingly
[07:33] <asac> e.g. replace midbrowser by $APPNAME
[07:33] <asac> and 0.1.6n by REFNAME
[07:35] <cowng1_> Will update build_release
[08:10] <shirish> Ubulette: asac: anybody up?
[08:10] <shirish> gnomefreak: you there m8?
[08:11] <shirish> guys I have a query, if somebody is up, please tell me
[08:17] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: you said this morning there was a problem with trunk failing to build and you said it lastnight to asac
[08:18] <gnomefreak> and no im not using dev branch im using nss nspr-trunk
[08:19] <shirish> gnomefreak: I have a query, I'm using firefox-trunk from ubulette's repository from sofaraway, whenever I go to google https://mail.google.com/mail it always shows as the certificate not valid, what could be the issue?
[08:19] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: before it can be uploaded sulrunner needs copyright file
[08:20] <gnomefreak> shirish: could just be as simple as your running an in devel browser and that is one of the issues you find with it. certs are normally an upstream issue wasit for Ubulette or up[stream to fix it
[08:21] <shirish> gnomefreak: thanx, I thought it could be something like that but its better to ask rather than be sorry, after all that the swedish hackers have done ;)
[08:36] <gnomefreak> Ubulette_: you come to work? ;)
[08:39] <shirish> gnomefreak: there is something about using nspr logging in upcoming mozilla builds to find about why breakpad is not working in some cases.
[08:40] <shirish> [Bug 386343]  Breakpad doesn't work
[08:40] <shirish> gnomefreak: that's from mozilla bugzilla.
[08:40] <gnomefreak> shirish: i dont know im not working on it im just building it for PPA and its mozilla bug 386343
[08:40] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 386343 in Breakpad Integration "Breakpad doesn't work" [Critical,New]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=386343
[08:53] <gnomefreak> Ubulette_: ok im using nss and nspr.ubuntu.trunk for gutsy PPA trunk repo and nss nspr.ubuntu.gp for feisty granparadiso, xulrunner needs a copyright file the rules is looking for source package using the ~mt1 label i add to changelog it should just look for base orig. and in control build-deps-indeb you need to add those to to normal build-deps and remove that line please. as you cant build binaries without those packages they s
[09:14] <shirish> gnomefreak: are u up buddy?
[09:17] <gnomefreak> yes
[09:19] <shirish> gnomefreak: there seems to be an error in print-viewing iwth firefox-trunk
[09:19] <gnomefreak> shirish: there isnt anything i can do with that. Ubulette_ is the one working on ff3 all versions trunk and gp i have other things i working on
[09:20] <shirish> gnomefreak: oh, apologies then, I thought you were working on ff3 also
[09:20] <shirish> btw what's NSPR?
[09:21] <gnomefreak> shirish: no im just building and uploading to PPA
[09:21] <shirish> gnomefreak: that's also pretty cool ;)
[09:21] <gnomefreak> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/nspr/
[09:21] <shirish> gnomefreak: thanx for the heads up :)
[09:21] <gnomefreak> yw
[09:40] <Ubulette> i'm back
[09:41] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, copyright files for xul, ok. I guess stealing the one from 1.8.* should be enough.
[09:41] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, "the rules is looking for source package using the ~mt1 label i add to changelog it should just look for base orig" that i don't understand
[09:42] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: its looking for xulrunner-1.9_1.9a8pre~cvs20070829~mt1.orig.tar.gz after i added changelog entry for mt1
[09:42] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, "and in control build-deps-indeb you need to add those to to normal build-deps and remove that line please", hmm, i'll have a look. my bot never complained about that.
[09:43] <gnomefreak> it should look for xulrunner-1.9_1.9a8pre~cvs20070829.orig.tar.gz reguardless of what the version is
[09:43] <Ubulette> why did you change that ? orig is orig, ppa or not
[09:43] <Ubulette> oh
[09:43] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: I change it so ther eis no mixup with real packages and mt packages
[09:44] <Ubulette> i see what you mean
[09:44] <Ubulette> i'll patch the regexp
[09:44] <gnomefreak> everything for our archive get ~mt1 or mt2
[09:44] <gnomefreak> ect...
[09:44] <shirish> Ubulette: lemme know when you are done with gnomefreak, we can talk then ;)
[09:44] <Ubulette> did you have to do that for nss/nsrp/trunk too ?
[09:44] <gnomefreak> no
[09:44] <Ubulette> hmm
[09:44] <gnomefreak> just xulrunner
[09:45] <gnomefreak> only problems with xulrunner so far
[09:45] <gnomefreak> everything else build and installed smoothly
[09:46] <Ubulette> hmmm
[09:47] <Ubulette> i'll look into all that in a few.
[09:47] <Ubulette> lunch time
[09:48] <gnomefreak> im working on feisty stuff atm so when you get time
[09:53] <gnomefreak> ok good using gutsys bzr-builddeb works on feisty since feistys is borked something bad
[10:04] <shirish> gnomefreak: are you guys also packaging kazehakase ?
[10:04] <shirish> gnomefreak: its a browser which also uses xulrunner
[10:05] <gnomefreak> shirish: not really that i know of but we really should but no time really
[10:05] <gnomefreak> shirish: i know what it is
[10:05] <gnomefreak> i use it everyday
[10:05] <shirish> gnomefreak: same here, but on the old version 0.4.3, wanted to see & feel how 0.4.8 is
[10:06] <shirish> gnomefreak: http://kazehakase.sourceforge.jp/?date=20070830
[10:07] <shirish> gnomefreak: also put up a bug report about it https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kazehakase/+bug/136463 ;)
[10:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136463 in kazehakase "[Gutsy]  kazehakase new upstream version available" [Undecided,New]
[10:07] <gnomefreak> well its pushing it but need a UVF exception
[10:08] <shirish> gnomefreak: that's not in my this, atleast there is a bug-report there, let's see if something happens,
[10:08] <gnomefreak> i think someone with more time (maybe you) should build it
[10:09] <shirish> gnomefreak: any idea one finds all the coolest softwares after UVF has come and gone
[10:10] <shirish> gnomefreak: I have no idea about building packages as such, pulling them down, compiling it is as far as I know, have no idea about scripting or stuff like that.
[10:12] <gnomefreak> shirish: the point of UVF is to introduce the least amount of packages to devel version so we can start to stablize the devel version awaiting release
[10:12] <shirish> gnomefreak: I know, I am just cursing why I didn't find packages while things were happening, I have been finding all kinds of cool softwares in the last 5 days or so
[10:13] <gnomefreak> well ther eis a chance if the requirments are met by say monday but anything after that is pushing it
[10:14] <gnomefreak> since we are about to freeze for tribe 6 as well
[10:14] <gnomefreak> i think tueday
[10:14] <gnomefreak> tuesday
[10:16] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: when you get back do i also need xulrunner for our feisty gp build (i used it for trunk) im not sure if also needed for gp
[10:16] <gnomefreak> fuck nss wont build binaries in feisty
[10:17] <shirish> gnomefreak: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kazehakase/+bug/136465
[10:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136465 in kazehakase "[Gutsy]  cannot see the printer/s" [Undecided,New]
[10:18] <gnomefreak> shirish: thats nothing new
[10:19] <shirish> gnomefreak: aha, but there wasn't a bug reported about that, now atleast there is, also any idea if one can see printers in 0.4.8 or no?
[10:19] <gnomefreak> i dont know ive beena  bit busy to play with bugs
[10:21] <shirish> gnomefreak: ok cool, take your time, no issues, if possible see if 0.4.8 solves that issue, if yes I can put it up on whatever mailing list it needs permission or whatever, it would be nice to be able to use another browser ;)
[10:28] <gnomefreak> damn
[10:30] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: also for our feisty build of nss need to change libsqlite3-dev build-dep to version (>=3.3.13)
[10:31] <gnomefreak> nss-trunk-3.12.0~alpha1b is the one i mean
[10:31] <gnomefreak> it was nss.ubuntu.granparadiso branch
[10:47] <Ubulette> back
[10:48] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, what's failing for xul ~mt1 ? is it bzr bd or dpkg-buildpackage ?
[10:48] <gnomefreak> bzr bd but im sure if i tried i can get both to fail
[10:48] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: problems with nss.ubuntu.gp
[10:49] <Ubulette> problem is there's nothing i can do from within the xul package..
[10:49] <Ubulette> and i don't understand why nss/nspr are ok
[10:49] <gnomefreak> the rules file where it looks for the orig.tar.gz is differnet
[10:50] <Ubulette> I patched debian/rules to drop ~mt\d+ but it's ignored by bzr bd
[10:51] <gnomefreak> rebuilding nss if fails this time i quit for the weekend if it works than i might work the weekend
[10:51] <gnomefreak> so i have to keep renaming the tarball?
[10:51] <gnomefreak> it works but its not best practice IMO
[10:52] <gnomefreak> yay it looks to be working :)
[10:53] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: ok do i need xulrunner for firefox gp for our feisty repo?
[10:54] <Ubulette> no
[10:54] <Ubulette> i'll xulify gp for a8
[10:55] <gnomefreak> ok just trunk used it
[10:55] <gnomefreak> k cool than im ready for that spin
[10:57] <gnomefreak> did you know gp doesnt have depends for nss or nspr
[10:58] <Ubulette> yes
[10:58] <Ubulette> because it doesn't need them
[10:58] <Ubulette> as it's not using system nss/nsrp yet
[10:59] <gnomefreak> oh
[11:01] <asac> k
[11:01] <asac> i am here again
[11:02] <asac> to serve you ... :)
[11:02] <Ubulette> asac, hi again
[11:02] <Ubulette> i don't get the xul~cvs~mt orig issue
[11:02] <asac> looked at bonsai?
[11:02] <Ubulette> why xul only and not all the others
[11:03] <asac> what was the last build that worked
[11:03] <asac> e.g. do we have a regression window?
[11:03] <Ubulette> ? talking about ppa here...
[11:03] <asac> he?
[11:03] <asac> a you say the build error is only in ppa?
[11:03] <asac> but not on your local disk
[11:04] <asac> ok
[11:04] <asac> Ubulette: ?
[11:04] <Ubulette> yep
[11:04] <Ubulette> well
[11:04] <Ubulette> not
[11:04] <Ubulette> no
[11:04] <asac> so what?
[11:04] <asac> ;)
[11:05] <Ubulette> if changelog uses 1.9a8pre~cvs20070829~mt1, bzr bd fails
[11:06] <Ubulette> Preparing the build area: ../build-area
[11:06] <Ubulette> Exporting to ../build-area/xulrunner-1.9-1.9a8pre~cvs20070829~mt1 in merge mode
[11:06] <Ubulette> Looking for ../tarballs/xulrunner-1.9_1.9a8pre~cvs20070829~mt1.orig.tar.gz to use as upstream source
[11:06] <Ubulette> seems that's the expected behavior to me
[11:06] <Ubulette> but why nss/nsrp worked with ~mt1 ?
[11:07] <asac> which exact version is nss/nspr?
[11:07] <gnomefreak> 3.12.0~cvs20070825-0ubuntu1~mt1
[11:07] <asac> 23:05 < Ubulette> Exporting to ../build-area/xulrunner-1.9-1.9a8pre~cvs20070829~mt1 in merge mode
[11:07] <asac> 23:05 < Ubulette> Looking for ../tarballs/xulrunner-1.9_1.9a8pre~cvs20070829~mt1.orig.tar.gz to use as  upstream source
[11:07] <asac> 23:05 < Ubulette> seems that's the expected behavior to me
[11:07] <asac> there is nothing wrong?
[11:07] <gnomefreak> 4.7.0~cvs20070820-0ubuntu1~mt1
[11:07] <asac> so whats wrong?
[11:07] <asac> this nsIDictonary build error?
[11:07] <gnomefreak> xulrunner shouldnt look for mt1.orig.tar.gz
[11:08] <asac> why not?
[11:08] <gnomefreak> it should look for it without the mt1
[11:08] <asac> no it looks for whatever you declare upstream version
[11:08] <gnomefreak> mt1 i added so i had to rename tarball
[11:08] <gnomefreak> i declared it in changelog
[11:08] <gnomefreak> nowhere else
[11:08] <asac> well ... what exactly did you declare there?
[11:08] <gnomefreak> that is the only app that does it
[11:09] <Ubulette> i tried that:
[11:09] <Ubulette> -DEBIAN_VERSION := $(shell dpkg-parsechangelog | sed -n 's/^Version: *\(.*\)$$/\1/ p')
[11:09] <Ubulette> +DEBIAN_VERSION := $(shell dpkg-parsechangelog | sed -n 's/^Version: *\(.*\)$$/\1/ p' | sed -e 's/~mt[0-9] *$$//')
[11:09] <gnomefreak> i changed changelog to add mt1 to the end that is it
[11:09] <Ubulette> doesn't seem to help
[11:09] <gnomefreak> and now the rules is looking for mt1.orig
[11:09] <asac> sorry guys ... can you tell me please in one sentence what the problem is
[11:09] <asac> i really have not idea from what you told me
[11:09] <asac> so far
[11:09] <Ubulette> asac, gnomefreak doesn't want to rename the tarball with ~mt1
[11:10] <asac> ok thats ok ... so what did he specify in changelog as version?
[11:10] <Ubulette> -xulrunner-1.9 (1.9a8pre~cvs20070829) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
[11:10] <Ubulette> +xulrunner-1.9 (1.9a8pre~cvs20070829~mt1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
[11:10] <asac> he probably added the mt1 to the upstream verison part ... not to the debian revision
[11:10] <Ubulette> i guess
[11:10] <gnomefreak> changing the version in changelog from bleh.orig.tar.gz to bleh~mt1.orig.tar.gz it now looks for bleh~mt1.orgig.tar.gz
[11:10] <asac> Ubulette: yeah thats a bullshit version :)
[11:10] <asac> thats plain wrong :)
[11:11] <asac> you don't have a debian revision at all
[11:11] <asac> use:
[11:11] <asac> 1.9a8pre~cvs20070829-0ubuntu1 .... and 1.9a8pre~cvs20070829-0ubuntu1~mt1
[11:11] <Ubulette> asac, don't tell me, tell gnomefreak :)
[11:11] <asac> that should fix it
[11:11] <gnomefreak> it doesnt that is what i used
[11:11] <asac> Ubulette: well ... is see
[11:11] <asac> 23:09 < Ubulette> -xulrunner-1.9 (1.9a8pre~cvs20070829) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
[11:11] <Ubulette> oh
[11:11] <asac> 23:09 < Ubulette> +xulrunner-1.9 (1.9a8pre~cvs20070829~mt1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
[11:11] <Ubulette> sorry
[11:11] <asac> so it wasn't right in the first place
[11:11] <gnomefreak> oh
[11:11] <gnomefreak> wait let me look at tarball
[11:11] <asac> 1.9a8pre~cvs20070829 -> 1.9a8pre~cvs20070829-0ubuntu1 ...
[11:12] <Ubulette> so it's my fault :)
[11:12] <asac> and gnomefreak will do things right :)
[11:12] <gnomefreak> xulrunner-1.9_1.9a8pre~cvs20070829~mt1.orig.tar.gz
[11:12] <gnomefreak> yeah i see
[11:12] <asac> yeah ... except that gnomefreak is still too botty today :)
[11:12] <gnomefreak> alot of damn work
[11:12] <asac> actually from the version you specified its not a orig.tar.gz build, but a native (aka tar.gz)
[11:12] <gnomefreak> ok i can fix that locally as well
[11:12] <Ubulette> i'm fixing that crap, sorry
[11:13] <asac> i wonder that it tried to build it at all
[11:13] <asac> yeah all those dashes and tildes can get coning ;)(
[11:13] <asac> Ubulette: please do it right then
[11:13] <asac> 1.9a8pre ... is wrong as well
[11:13] <asac> its > 1.9
[11:13] <asac> so ... use:
[11:13] <Ubulette> that's the upstream version
[11:13] <asac> 1.9~cvs20070829
[11:13] <asac> Ubulette: yeah ... doesn't matter
[11:14] <asac> or 1.9~a8~pre~cvs...
[11:14] <asac> so if a8 comes out 1.9~a8 > 1.9~a8~pre
[11:14] <asac> actually if its the trunk build i would prefer just to use:
[11:14] <asac> 1.9~~cvs... :=
[11:15] <asac> but its your choice ;)
[11:15] <asac> you could even use:
[11:15] <Ubulette> well, the idea was to match the /etc/gre.d thingy
[11:15] <asac> 1.9~a7+cvs20...
[11:15] <asac> yes ... but its not that important
[11:16] <asac> and mozilla versions cannot be used anyway for our packages :)
[11:16] <asac> at least all preview, beta at al
[11:16] <asac> personally i like the a7+cvs variant
[11:16] <asac> it doesn't add more levels of tildes ;)
[11:17] <gnomefreak> ok feisty repo is almost done
[11:17] <asac> otherwise if you want a more closer match to gre version use 1.9~a8~cvs ... where ~cvs is already equivalent to pre
[11:17] <asac> gnomefreak: cool
[11:17] <asac> tbird 2?
[11:17] <gnomefreak> no the ff stuff
[11:18] <gnomefreak> havent gottent hat far yet
[11:18] <asac> firefox?
[11:18] <gnomefreak> im building ff shit first for both repos
[11:18] <gnomefreak> yes
[11:18] <asac> since when do we ship ff in feisty? (not that i have a problem with it.))
[11:18] <asac> gp?
[11:18] <gnomefreak> ff =firefox
[11:18] <asac> yeah
[11:18] <gnomefreak> for me atleast
[11:18] <Ubulette> let's use 1.9~a8~cvs20070831-0ubuntu1(~mt1)
[11:18] <gnomefreak> gp is uploading right now
[11:18] <asac> Ubulette: that looks good
[11:19] <asac> Ubulette: you can even replace cvs by pre
[11:19] <asac> :)
[11:19] <asac> (implying that you got it somewhere from)
[11:19] <asac> 1.9~a8~pre2007...
[11:19] <Ubulette> cvs is ok as it's more commonly used
[11:20] <asac> sure ... i am fine with any ... just lets stick to one way :)
[11:20] <gnomefreak> tbird 2 should be fairly easy so sometime this weekend
[11:20] <gnomefreak> bad enough i built nss and nspr for gp and not needed i had to play with bzr gutsys version in feisty
[11:20] <gnomefreak> btw bzr bd is borked in feisty
[11:21] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah ... i think we need nss and nspr for tbird in feisty though
[11:21] <asac> gnomefreak: thats probably a lie :)
[11:21] <gnomefreak> asac: we might
[11:21] <asac> gnomefreak: anyway ... i cannot tell because i stopped using packages, but use bzr from latest bzr directly :)
[11:21] <asac> gnomefreak: i think we did that before?
[11:22] <gnomefreak> well bzr bd in feisty fails to sign packages and you get the deb822 error not warning
[11:22] <asac> gnomefreak: fails to sign? ... provide the builder
[11:22] <gnomefreak> asac: ill find out when i grab source to build
[11:22] <asac> i get the deb error all the time ... no problems
[11:22] <gnomefreak> i did
[11:22] <asac> hmm
[11:23] <gnomefreak> its a known issue
[11:23] <gnomefreak> tony brought it up to me a few times but ive been working on gutsy
[11:23] <gnomefreak> asac: you get deb warning
[11:23] <asac> me?
[11:23] <gnomefreak> error fails to build stops it before it starts
[11:23] <asac> hmm
[11:23] <asac> yeah
[11:23] <asac> i get the warning
[11:23] <asac> is there a grave bug filed?
[11:23] <gnomefreak> anyone using feistys version from repos
[11:23] <asac> against bzr
[11:23] <gnomefreak> if your using from bzr you dont have same build as repos
[11:24] <asac> thats really unbearable ... e.g. that they update bzr without all the tools
[11:24] <gnomefreak> asac: i dont know whats filed beena  bit busy here
[11:24] <asac> no... my version is already 0.91 :)
[11:24] <asac> while yours is 0.17 :)
[11:24] <gnomefreak> i dont know what i have
[11:24] <asac> bzr --version
[11:24] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, pushed xulrunner-1.9.ubuntu.trunk
[11:24] <gnomefreak> .19
[11:24] <gnomefreak> im using gutsys on feisy
[11:25] <gnomefreak> feisty
[11:25] <gnomefreak> i had to upgrade python-* and bzr packages
[11:25] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: ty
[11:25] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah ... then they roled an update
[11:25] <asac> mayber you use -proposed?
[11:25] <asac> maybe you can still downgrade ;)
[11:25] <gnomefreak> in gutsy?
[11:25] <gnomefreak> its not open
[11:25] <asac> no in feisty
[11:26] <asac> to proposed ... or through an sru
[11:26] <gnomefreak> i tool gutsys packages and installed them in feisty chroot
[11:26] <asac> gnomefreak: well thats your problem then ;)
[11:26] <gnomefreak> because i got tired of screwing with it today
[11:26] <asac> ah ... so you fixed it?
[11:26] <asac> ok then go on :)
[11:26] <gnomefreak> not mine they need to fix feistys version
[11:27] <gnomefreak> they should backport 0.19
[11:27] <asac> maybe you already installed some  gutsy package at some point?
[11:27] <asac> gnomefreak: bzr must not just brake in mids of the release
[11:27] <gnomefreak> nope clean feisty system has the issues (im not the only person that saw these)
[11:27] <asac> gnomefreak: if its really broken for clean feisty
[11:27] <asac> then that has to be fixed instantly
[11:28] <gnomefreak> it is
[11:28] <asac> if it is ... they definitly rolled an update to feisty
[11:28] <asac> because it wasn't broken a while back
[11:28] <gnomefreak> cant bzr bd cause it fails to use the new thing (deb822 was replaced by ...)
[11:28] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, don't try ff3-trunk just yet. I'll fix that too
[11:29] <gnomefreak> whatever that was replaced by it fails to use it since feistys version uses 822
[11:29] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: i cant until i have xulrunner done
[11:29] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, the deb822 is jsut a warning (at least on gutsy)
[11:29] <gnomefreak> im uploading gp atm may take another 30 minutes
[11:29] <Ubulette> ?
[11:29] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: gutsy doesnt use deb822
[11:29] <gnomefreak> feisty still tries to
[11:29] <Ubulette> 30min to up ?
[11:30] <Ubulette> maybe I can do it
[11:30] <gnomefreak> atleast
[11:30] <gnomefreak> took me >1 hour to upload xulrunner
[11:30] <Ubulette> lol
[11:30] <Ubulette> i can upload at ~100M/s
[11:30] <gnomefreak> havent checked email yet but i bet it was rejected
[11:31] <gnomefreak> im lower than that by a long way
[11:31] <gnomefreak> i cant dl at ~100
[11:31] <gnomefreak> kbps
[11:31] <asac> Ubulette: 100M ?
[11:31] <Ubulette> at home, i can't either, but at the office, i can
[11:31] <gnomefreak> checking on xulrunner
[11:32] <asac> you mean 1M ?
[11:32] <Ubulette> no
[11:32] <asac> well 100M ... i doubt that lp will pipe in so much
[11:32] <Ubulette> maybe but that will be better than dsl if I do it
[11:32] <Ubulette> well, as you guys want
[11:32] <asac> hehe
[11:32] <asac> i am not the one to ask
[11:32] <asac> :)
[11:33] <gnomefreak> brb smoke
[11:33] <Ubulette> lol
[11:35] <gnomefreak> stupid son of a bitch
[11:35] <gnomefreak> brb gonna slap him
[11:35] <shirish> Ubulette: asac: do you guys know the certificate issue/s on ff-trunk
[11:35] <Ubulette> ?
[11:35] <gnomefreak> asac: that bug on mozilla-flash
[11:36] <gnomefreak> hes using debian repos
[11:37] <gnomefreak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/136376
[11:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136376 in flashplugin-nonfree "automatic update for mozilla-flashplayer make using flashplayer impossible" [Low,Invalid]
[11:37] <gnomefreak> he got the package from debian repos
[11:38] <Ubulette> shirish, what cert issue ?
[11:38] <shirish> Ubulette: anyway, I'm using firefox-trunk & from last few days I have been having issues with certificates from let's say https://mail.google.com/mail & on viewing the certificate I see everything is in the right order.
[11:38] <asac> gnomefreak: ty
[11:38] <gnomefreak> yw
[11:39] <asac> anyway amd64 needs a fix
[11:39] <gnomefreak> the person that started on that bug didnt even come close to right questions :(
[11:39] <Ubulette> shirish, hmm. i'm cleaning things up now and recompiling (anyway, today's built failed), let's see in 1h
[11:39] <shirish> Ubulette: it gives me Unable to verify *.mail.google.com as trusted site
[11:40] <shirish> Ubulette: ok cool, see you in 1 hr, best of luck ;)
[11:40] <asac> shirish: sounds like an nss issue
[11:40] <asac> maybe you don't have the right version installed?
[11:40] <shirish> /Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9a8pre) Gecko/2007083100 Minefield/3.0a8pre
[11:42] <Ubulette> dpkg -l libnss3-0d libnspr4-0d
[11:42] <shirish> Ubulette: hang on finding it out
[11:43] <shirish> ii  libnspr4-0d            4.7.0+cvs20070828t1830 NetScape Portable Runtime Library
[11:43] <shirish> ii  libnss3-0d             3.12.0+cvs20070829t171 Network Security Service libraries
[11:43] <Ubulette> should be good enough
[11:46] <Ubulette> strange as it works for me (yet i'm using the whole thing from 2 days ago)
[11:47] <shirish> Ubulette: didn't notice, shouldn't they get updated daily as well :(
[11:49] <Ubulette> I haven't performed any upgrade on my gutsy in the last 2 days, been busy
[11:49] <Ubulette> btw, my bot compiles only when there's something new upstream
[11:49] <shirish> nss3 is getting updated to cvs20070831t0504+bbot from your repo atleast so that's good news
[11:49] <shirish> Ubulette: nice bot ;)
[11:49] <Ubulette> and nss and nspr are not that busy
[11:49] <shirish> Ubulette: cool, so now I know
[11:50] <shirish> Ubulette: its actually pretty smart of you to make the build-size of ff-3 smaller by splitting them off into components which can be shared by many ;)
[11:50] <Ubulette> shirish, I'm changing the a8pre thing so you'll have to force the downgrade manually next time
[11:50] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: you just changed name of xul tarball or did you make a new one?
[11:51] <Ubulette> not yet
[11:51] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, in a sec
[11:51] <gnomefreak> k
[11:51] <shirish> Ubulette: erhm.... could you say that in a way I could comprehend, what did you mean by force the downgrade manually next time?
[11:52] <gnomefreak> brb just let me know ill grab it or i can rename this one if its the same
[11:52] <Ubulette> 3.0a8pre~cvs > 3.0~a8~cvs
[11:52] <Ubulette> even 3.0a8pre~cvs20070831 > 3.0~a8~cvs100000000000000000
[11:53] <Ubulette> so the upgrade will no longer be automatic
[11:53] <Ubulette> you just have to force it once
[11:53] <shirish> Ubulette: so are you saying I'll have to do sudo aptitude install firefox 3.0~a8~cvsx whatever
[11:53] <shirish> and then again it will get synced up
[11:54] <Ubulette> apt-get install firefox-trunk=3.0~xxx
[11:54] <Ubulette> same for xul
[11:54] <asac> Ubulette: how easy is it for you to build ffox in dapper from 1.8.0 branch (daily) ?
[11:54] <asac> whenever a checkin happens that means (shouldn't be daily)
[11:55] <shirish> Ubulette: ok will do another hr. let things build & then see what happens.
[11:56] <Ubulette> asac, don't know, never used dapper. my bot used to build for feisty, then gutsy
[11:56] <asac> k
[11:56] <Ubulette> the dist is a parameter used to create the initial chroot
[11:57] <asac> usually the diff.gz in dapper applies cleanly ... even though its huge and doesn have a patchsys :)
[11:57] <asac> the whole point is we are maintaing that 1.8.0 branch even though upstream has abandoned it :/ ... redhat does professional QA at the end of our release cycle
[11:57] <Ubulette> oh, you mean compiling with released sources or from cvs ?
[11:58] <asac> would be cool if ubuntu could contribute kind of community QA at least
[11:58] <asac> Ubulette: cvs
[11:58] <Ubulette> that should be possible
[11:58] <asac> Ubulette: its unlikely that we will get *real* releases together at some point
[11:58] <asac> we will probably ending up tagging cvs when we (the distributors) do a release
[11:58] <Ubulette> 1.8.0 is FF 2.0.0.x right ?
[11:58] <asac> no 1.5
[11:58] <Ubulette> oh
[11:58] <asac> 2.0.0.x is still supported
[11:59] <Ubulette> i'll see what I can do next week
[11:59] <asac> but dapper has 1.5 .) ... which is why we have to do this :/
[11:59] <asac> Ubulette: its not really a hurry
[11:59] <asac> though a good thing to have in the long run
[11:59] <shirish> asac: isn't 1.5 deprecated?
[11:59] <asac> as QA becomes more and more critical
[11:59] <asac> the further we go alone ... and the further we diverge from 1.8 branch
[11:59] <asac> shirish: depends on how you define deprecated
[12:00] <asac> shirish: its not mofo supported anymore ... but still vendor supported. and I hope we can keep it that way as long as possible
[12:00] <gnomefreak> i got blog about 1.5 being unsupported i think
[12:00] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[12:00] <asac> rolling 2.0 in dapper is just too much pain
[12:00] <shirish> asac: that's what I thought
[12:00] <gnomefreak> gp finally finished
[12:01] <asac> gnomefreak: finished? it ws just accepted
[12:01] <asac> or did the buildd have massive CPU cycles left ;)
[12:01] <gnomefreak> yes it finihsed uploading
[12:01] <gnomefreak> 30+ minutes
[12:02] <gnomefreak> i have to fuck with nspr for feisty
[12:02] <asac> sound doesn't like too much fun :)
[12:02] <Ubulette> shirish, hmm, my bot is still building xulrunner-1.9-1.9a8pre+cvs20070831t1404+bbot as it's based on upstream version by design so you'll have no need to force anything
[12:03] <shirish> gnomefreak: ok cool, but I need to be aware I guess as you're going to change stuff at some point
[12:03] <shirish> oops that was meant for Ubulette
[12:03] <gnomefreak> shirish: hopefully no
[12:03] <asac> shirish: change stuff?
[12:03] <asac> in which way?
[12:04] <shirish> asac: as Ubulette said about putting some more tildes
[12:04] <shirish> (03:22:46  IST) Ubulette: 3.0a8pre~cvs > 3.0~a8~cvs
[12:04] <shirish> (03:23:23  IST) Ubulette: even 3.0a8pre~cvs20070831 > 3.0~a8~cvs100000000000000000
[12:04] <Ubulette> shirish, forget about that
[12:04] <asac> i don't understand the point
[12:04] <shirish> Ubulette:  ok would do that
[12:04] <asac> the version was wrong
[12:04] <asac> we had to fix it
[12:04] <asac> :)
[12:05] <asac> shirish: you just have to downgrade once
[12:05] <Ubulette> asac, my bot overwrites the dist version and build one based on upstream version, by design
[12:05] <asac> shirish: after that hopefully all will be fine forever :)
[12:05] <Ubulette> shouldn't matter for us here
[12:05] <shirish> asac: I'm ready to downgrade the moment you say bro, I just need to know the exact thing/version to downgrade to.
[12:05] <asac> shirish: remove it ... install it again :)
[12:06] <asac> apt-get update before of course
[12:06] <shirish> asac: you mean right now?
[12:06] <asac> unless the bad version bits are still in the archive
[12:06] <asac> no idea ... Ubulette has to say that. I don't track his repo
[12:06] <shirish> asac: ok cool
[12:06] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, you complained previously about deps.. xul says 26 missing build-deps (26+185 debs)
[12:07] <shirish> Ubulette: tell me whenever you think the I need to remove firefox-trunk & xulrunner, will do it, and then aptitude update again ;)
[12:07] <Ubulette> shirish, don't touch your stuff, it will continue to be fine automatically
[12:08] <Ubulette> (i mean, don't force or downgrade)
[12:08] <Ubulette> unless you want to use the ppa debs
[12:08] <Ubulette> or the gutsy debs
[12:08] <Ubulette> as my bot is always ahead
[12:09] <Ubulette> good boy, bot :)
[12:10] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: xulrunner was the one with the build-dep-indeb right?
[12:10] <gnomefreak> or whatever its called
[12:11] <gnomefreak> the 2 gjc packages you have listed there need to be in the normal build-deps since they are needed to build binaries
[12:11] <asac> Ubulette: you really want to keep the old version in your archive?
[12:11] <Ubulette> oh, there's no move indep package
[12:11] <Ubulette> more
[12:11] <Ubulette> asac, not really. just enough to build -gp/-trunk/-dev
[12:12] <asac> no i mean the old versioning of your package
[12:12] <gnomefreak> here there still is did you push more after the changelog changes?
[12:12] <asac> Ubulette: please, please, please release versions that will play nice with whatever ends up in the official archive at some point.
[12:13] <Ubulette> asac, problem is each project has it's own way to bump versions :(
[12:13] <Ubulette> gnome is totally different
[12:14] <Ubulette> as i said ealier, all my stuff is tagged "+bbot" so it's easy to remove
[12:14] <asac> Ubulette: well but its disruptive to some degree ... especially if you tell people that that archive exist and they will install things.
[12:15] <asac> Ubulette: point is if you post your archive in the repo ... people might use it that are not capable to remoe anything
[12:15] <asac> s/post your archive in the repo/post your archive in the forum or somewhere public/
[12:16] <Ubulette> i don't want to post those debs to another repo. people take them for my own repo, that's it
[12:16] <asac> he?
[12:16] <Ubulette> for gnome, it works just well, i've posted dozens of time gstreamer, nautilus, totem, exaile, etc
[12:16] <Ubulette> noone complained
[12:17] <asac> ok
[12:18] <Ubulette> and when i posted gp, it was a clean version, either 1-0ubulette1 < 1-0ubuntu1 or 1-0ubuntu1-ubulette1 > 1-0ubuntu1
[12:18] <asac> i can understand that then ... as long as you stick to real head it shouldn't make any problems
[12:18] <asac> Ubulette: the whole problem is that people might just drop your apt lines
[12:19] <asac> and then forever won't receive any updates/security updates
[12:19] <Ubulette> then at the next update in gutsy, gutsy will take preference
[12:19] <asac> how?
[12:19] <asac> and when?
[12:19] <asac> when mozilla 2.0 is out?
[12:20] <gnomefreak> ok grabbing new tarball
[12:20] <Ubulette> not in this particular ff3 case but for everything else
[12:20] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, just rename on your side
[12:20] <Ubulette> no need to redl
[12:20] <gnomefreak> too late i removed it already :(
[12:20] <Ubulette> mv xulrunner-1.9_1.9a8pre~cvs20070829.orig.tar.gz xulrunner-1.9_1.9~a8~cvs20070829.orig.tar.gz
[12:20] <Ubulette> oh
[12:20] <Ubulette> too bad :)
[12:20] <Ubulette> too fast
[12:20] <gnomefreak> only 6 minutes
[12:21] <asac> Ubulette: just to be sure that you understand the implications ... if you release xulrunner as 1.9preXYZ ... people will never get to gutsy 1.9
[12:21] <gnomefreak> will build upload and eat dinner than get on trunk i hope
[12:21] <asac> they will just stick with that version they had when they dropped your apt line ... and receive no security
[12:21] <asac> update
[12:21] <gnomefreak> does gutsy have xulrunner in it?
[12:21] <Ubulette> asac, yep, i know. I'll change my repo announce to make that clear.
[12:21] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, yes
[12:21] <gnomefreak> k
[12:21] <Ubulette> it's 1.8
[12:22] <gnomefreak> k
[12:22] <Ubulette> but now we call it xul-1.9, not just xul so we can install several at the same time
[12:22] <Ubulette> maye we can do a xul-1.8.1
[12:23] <asac> i think we might get xul 1.9
[12:23] <asac> i have to discuss that
[12:23] <asac> in universe
[12:23] <Ubulette> a8 would be nice
[12:23] <Ubulette> with gp a8
[12:23] <Ubulette> paired
[12:24] <asac> well i need to fid a way to regularaly update that package
[12:24] <asac> until we reach final
[12:24] <asac> in stable release
[12:24] <Ubulette> so, why can't you ? it's no different from gp
[12:25] <asac> well unsure if gp has to go for final release :)
[12:25] <asac> either
[12:25] <Ubulette> oh
[12:25] <asac> i hope not, but i definitly want to get consense on that
[12:26] <asac> ... it adds load on others so it wouldn't be fair to at least discuss this once.
[12:27] <asac> but since those roles are as equally effected by a good idea how to best maintain xulrunner in main for gutsy+1
[12:27] <asac> they probably won't have a problem with that
[12:28] <Ubulette> dh_install: firefox-trunk missing files (debian/tmp/usr/lib/firefox-*/defaults/autoconfig), aborting
[12:28] <Ubulette> damn
[12:29] <Ubulette> 'im sure i fixed that yesterday
[12:29] <gnomefreak> is that with latest push to trunk?
[12:29] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, don't worry, i'll fix it shortly
[12:29] <Ubulette> ;)
[12:30] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: i have > 1 hour before i get to it
[12:30] <Ubulette> cool
[12:30] <gnomefreak> i just making sure if it was failing i wasnt building
[12:31] <Ubulette> it's from my box building the .dev branch
[12:31] <Ubulette> bot
[12:33] <Ubulette> oh, i need to prune ff3 orig too. it's now too big
[12:33] <gnomefreak> trunk
[12:33] <gnomefreak> please dont say gp
[12:33] <Ubulette> trunk
[12:33] <gnomefreak> goodie :)
[12:33] <Ubulette> i hope gp a8 will be small too
[12:34] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, i said to script you're ppa stuff ;)
[12:34] <Ubulette> your
[12:34] <Ubulette> then call that a bot :)
[12:34] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: yeah i know but if i do ill walk away and forget about it for a few hours and lose that much time
[12:35] <gnomefreak> it wouldnt do anything im not doing other than commiting changes and making sure to fix things locally if they fail
[12:36] <Ubulette> hm
[12:37] <Ubulette> oh, the copyright file
[12:37] <gnomefreak> oh damn
[12:37] <Ubulette> is that really needed at that point ?
[12:38] <gnomefreak> yes
[12:38] <gnomefreak> i cant upload without it
[12:38] <gnomefreak> part of the TOS of ppa
[12:38] <gnomefreak> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/+view-tos
[12:38] <Ubulette> you're still dling orig or already building ?
[12:38] <gnomefreak> i was building
[12:38] <gnomefreak> i killed i
[12:38] <gnomefreak> t
[12:38] <gnomefreak> it
[12:39] <Ubulette> ok, i'm on that
[12:39] <gnomefreak> ok ill go eat dinner than
[12:39] <gnomefreak> ill bbl
[12:42] <Ubulette> asac, can i steal xulrunner-<IP_ADDRESS>/debian/copyright ?
[12:42] <asac> Ubulette: i think on trunk the exceptions are gone ... otherwise yes.
[12:43] <asac> if you read through it you will see the exception (given that the copyright file is ok in the first place)
[12:44] <Ubulette> it says: If this file is incomplete, which I'm pretty sure is the case, because it's
[12:44] <Ubulette> difficult not to forget anything in this huge amount of data, please file
[12:44] <Ubulette> a bug or contact me.
[12:45] <asac> sure
[12:45] <asac> there are exceptions ... like NPL/LGPL ... MPL only ... et al
[12:45] <asac> afaik they are all tri-licensed now
[12:46] <asac> (e.g. only those files that belong to mozilla ... the third party licenses should be still the same
[12:46] <asac> probably some more have been added ... maybe some removed)
[12:46] <asac> Ubulette: try to take a close look ... check the exceptions i talked above ... then it should be fine to start with i guess
[12:54] <asac> Ubulette: so what is the idea bout the branches? trunk branches get updated will a8 ... then we merge down and do first gp release with xulrunner?
[12:54] <asac> s/will/till/
[12:56] <Ubulette> asac, what about that for intro ? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/191765
[12:58] <Ubulette> except the typo of course
[01:00] <asac> Ubulette: sure that the file was created by mike?
[01:00] <asac> Ubulette: i think you don't need this imperfect things
[01:00] <asac> just phrase it the way the original file did
[01:02] <Ubulette> i'd like to keep the work in progress part as it's also a protecting for us
[01:02] <Ubulette> protection
[01:02] <asac> saying that its work in progress should not have any legal implications
[01:03] <asac> if someone complains you have to remove it most likely ... thus, just don't burn it on CDs and distribute those.
[01:03] <Ubulette> ok
[01:04] <Ubulette> asac, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/191783
[01:04] <asac> Ubulette: you didn't try to build epiphany against that thing right?
[01:04] <asac> e.g. epiphany trunk
[01:05] <Ubulette> nope
[01:05] <Ubulette> i'm tempted by totem next
[01:05] <Ubulette> to see if the glue.a thing is okay
[01:08] <asac> haha
[01:08] <asac> if test "$gecko_cv_gecko_version_int" -ge "1009000"; then WEASEL_UA_VERSION="3.0"
[01:08] <asac> elif test "$gecko_cv_gecko_version_int" -ge "1008001"; then WEASEL_UA_VERSION="<IP_ADDRESS>"
[01:08] <asac> else WEASEL_UA_VERSION="<IP_ADDRESS>"
[01:08] <asac> fi
[01:08] <asac> WEASEL :)
[01:09] <Ubulette> what's that from ? epiphany ?
[01:09] <asac> yeah
[01:09] <asac> http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/epiphany/trunk/m4/gecko.m4?revision=6952&view=markup
[01:09] <asac> looks like it should build
[01:09] <asac> at least it matches version 1.9
[01:10] <asac> AM_CONDITIONAL([HAVE_GECKO_1_9] ,[test "$gecko_cv_gecko_version_int" -ge "1009000"] )


[00:20] <Unit193> Welp.  Guess not!
[01:52] <guiverc> xub groovy test & I've lost my background display, ubuntu-bug nouveau or something else (I note errs in nouveau in dmesg; TRAP_MP_EXEC/invalid_opcode which is why I'm thinking nouveau)
[06:46] <knome> pleia2, sounds good re: IS :)


[00:45] <locodir-user> Hello, I'm a newbie to Ubuntu-world.
[05:18] <jthan> WOOOO I LOVE THE OPEN SOURCE WORLD
[08:53] <JonathanD> Then why did you miss fosscon? :P
[09:28] <rmg51> Morning
[09:55] <JonathanD> Morning rmg51
[10:10] <rmg51> o/
[12:07] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else.... except for those who said they were coming to Fosscon but didn't show up :P
[12:08] <KyleYankan> Yeah, screw those people.
[12:08] <KyleYankan> There was danishes, muffins, lemonade, even chocolate!
[12:15] <rmg51> where Teddy goes chocolate goes :-D
[12:16] <teddy-dbear> and where jedijf goes pastries goes ;-)
[12:18] <teddy-dbear> let's add to that
[12:19] <teddy-dbear> where JonathanD goes he runs into traffic problems :-/
[12:27] <jedijf> we should win best fed convention in the geek awrds next year
[12:27] <jedijf> and i don't like the new google alerts
[13:31] <JonathanD> jedijf: someoen needs to nom nom nominate us for geek awards.
[13:39] <MutantTurkey> outerbanks were nice....
[13:39] <MutantTurkey> felt a bit weird compared to the shore
[13:48] <bts3685> 04:53:41 < JonathanD> Then why did you miss fosscon? :P
[13:48] <bts3685> burn++
[13:48] <MutantTurkey> yeah i dunno
[14:25] <waltman> MutantTurkey: it felt weird because you weren't at fosscon.
[14:26] <waltman> hth hand
[14:26] <waltman> You wouldn't have been the only animal, since teddy-dbear was also there.
[14:26] <jedijf> demon teddy-dbear
[14:27] <teddy-dbear> and Stitch stayed in the hotel :'(
[14:27] <jedijf> waltman: all i know, i was very impressed with all the buzz i was hearing about your talk...good pick
[14:28] <waltman> I was a little disappointed with it, to be honest. I could have done much better with the demo.
[14:29] <jedijf> and bts3685 too - your buzz was after the talk - nice.....
[14:30] <jedijf> waltman: no worries - i never actually even setup.......
[14:38] <bts3685> yeah, hella lot of buzz
[14:38] <bts3685> heh
[14:39] <jedijf> you 2 and the vr guy
[14:39] <jedijf> that's what i noticed
[14:47] <JonathanD> did teddy get a fosscon pin?
[15:04] <teddy-dbear> I got one
[15:05] <teddy-dbear> and a fedora pin
[15:05] <teddy-dbear> and an Ubuntu pin
[15:06] <teddy-dbear> I'm all blinged out for now
[15:07] <jedijf>  got nada - nothing
[15:07] <jedijf> oh - a fedora shirt
[15:09] <TheBoatCapn> I started my collection of linode shirts.  Apply by 8/16. Details at bit.ly/13SGLeO
[18:09] <MutantTurkey> wayatt?
[18:09] <MutantTurkey> wyattderp: do I know you?
[18:10] <MutantTurkey> since you PM'd me but keep leaving...
[18:11] <wyattderp> --Calvin, Lives in Conshi just outside of Bala outside of Philly.... -- Alex "Sup Dawg"
[18:11] <wyattderp> MutantTurkey, Yes ^^
[18:12] <teddy-dbear> tell him your old nick
[18:12] <jedijf> alexazimov
[18:13] <wyattderp> Just dropped him a line on Facebook.
[18:14] <MutantTurkey> I'm lost... are you alex?
[18:14] <MutantTurkey> ah sorry got confused
[18:14] <MutantTurkey> knew a kid named Wyatt also
[18:14] <MutantTurkey> waddup, manay...err east falss not Conshi
[18:15] <wyattderp> Eh, Close enough xD
[18:15] <wyattderp> Yeah... I kinda got dragged back in here by pleia2 Who posted something about fosscon so on a whim I re-joined #arch-us-pa and only jedijf Was in there.
[18:16] <MutantTurkey> ah cool cool
[18:16] <MutantTurkey> what's up with you lately?
[18:19] <wyattderp> Nothing really - Got evicted last November. Been living in my aunts basement for the last I think 8 - 9 months. Kinda trying to get into security in my spare time so I can do some freelance stuff. Stopped Distro hopping at #!. Been busy with the company / Working on a highly lucrative deal as we speak.
[18:19] <MutantTurkey> yeesh... Which company are you working with
[18:20] <MutantTurkey> yeah I am just hanging on Debian lately....
[18:20] <jedijf> crunch bang was my favorite for installfest - favorite prep/usage
[18:20] <MutantTurkey> I don't believe much in specialty "distros" for installing some package
[18:20] <MutantTurkey> i do believe in it for making installs easy and ready to go... but it's still to me just a bundle
[18:21] <MutantTurkey> in the same way you can select to install xfce/nome/kde on debian with a select box
[18:21] <jedijf> it was nice enough to require further exploration
[18:21] <MutantTurkey> is #! debian/ubuntu/arch?... can't reember
[18:21] <MutantTurkey> there's archbang right?
[18:21] <wyattderp> Forming a new one which is a partnership between our current company. Which I now hold 20% ownership of and a group of old Greybeards from the Unisys days under the new title of STYCKZ
[18:21] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: perspective - think of a person coming to an installfest
[18:21] <wyattderp> MutantTurkey, #! Is debian.
[18:22] <MutantTurkey> yeah I get the purpose for making installs easy
[18:22] <wyattderp> Its also very smexy.
[18:22] <MutantTurkey> I just use a tiling manager, so I don't really need very many things... terminal / browser
[18:23] <jedijf> but as luck would have it, a broadcom 4306 showed up :/
[18:23] <jedijf> late in the day
[18:23] <wyattderp> I am trying to get away from all the GUI stuff as well... Next thing you know I'll be using VI for android code.
[18:23] <MutantTurkey> oh god... eek eek eek
[18:23] <MutantTurkey> I would say " look but you better stick with windows"
[18:23] <MutantTurkey> I had terrible trouble with my broadcom card when I got my laptop... nowadays it just works
[18:23] <jedijf> buy a dongle
[18:24] <MutantTurkey> but a new mini-pcie card really
[18:24] <jedijf> either
[18:24] <MutantTurkey> wyattderp: hows your android programming going?
[18:24] <jedijf> but given this case ...a dongle
[18:24] <MutantTurkey> just got the S4... really it's slick
[18:24] <jedijf> yeah, or that...tether
[18:24] <MutantTurkey> tething on my S4 was all about impossible
[18:24] <MutantTurkey> took me forever to get working
[18:24] <jedijf> stock boy
[18:25] <jedijf> rom man here
[18:26] <MutantTurkey> yeah I was on vacation withno ointernet
[18:26] <wyattderp> MutantTurkey, Right now I am going through the trials and tribulations of learning the NDK.
[18:26] <MutantTurkey> so i couldn't do that.
[18:26] <MutantTurkey> rooted it though with an apk which was cool
[18:26] <wyattderp> I still feel like my skills are lacking all in all but as always I am my own worst critic.
[18:27] <MutantTurkey> working on any cool apps?
[18:28] <wyattderp> Right now just the company app but I have a few ideas in place regarding AR that I plan to  make open source.
[18:28] <MutantTurkey> cool cool
[18:29] <wyattderp> If you want I can go into them here in a few.
[18:29] <wyattderp> AKA the general ideas and so on.
[18:29] <MutantTurkey> if you'd like
[18:43] <wyattderp> Alright first we have ARCSs (Said "Arks") Augmented Reality Crime Scene Simulation (Not a game) General idea is just that you take data / photo's from a crime scene and cram them into AR Markers and then you can use them to re-create a crime scene in minimals amounts of space. Use Photosphere to collect images and then tag em.
[18:43] <MutantTurkey> Linteresting
[18:43] <MutantTurkey> what's an ar marker?
[18:44] <MutantTurkey> "augmented reality?
[18:46] <wyattderp> Yes. Augmented reality runs on markers to make things appear from nothing.
[18:46] <MutantTurkey> hmmm cool
[18:47] <jedijf> like alcohol
[18:47] <MutantTurkey> ?
[18:47] <jedijf> makes things appear from nothing
[18:48] <wyattderp> I once was lucky enough to make a 3d Hatsune Miku show up... Then the app crashed and it got deleted.
[18:49] <wyattderp> Inref: Miku http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100608233215/vocaloid/images/1/1a/Illu_KEI_Vocaloid_Hatsune_Miku-img3.jpg   -- The worlds first fully virtual diva.
[18:53] <wyattderp> Second app = The ARCorkBoard (ARCB) as you can imagine its using AR markers / tags (Same thing) to fill out an evidence board. (Like what the po used to use in major cases)
[18:56] <MutantTurkey> so who's your end user?
[18:57] <wyattderp> Anyone with a smartphone enough freespace for the app and a forward facing camera.
[18:58] <wyattderp> Its just the PD would likely have a direct use for it.
[18:59] <MutantTurkey> why forward facing?
[19:20] <wyattderp> MutantTurkey, Yeah you know how the  First gen Nexus 7 only has a camera that faces the user?


 plasma 5.19.2 now landing in groovy proposed
 @Sick_Rimmit I think it inappropriate to host the code for our website on the git of a non canonical/ubuntu project.
 I am not sure canonical IS would be happy with website code being outside their ultimate sysadmin control either
 i.e. KDE sysadmins would have ultimate control on the pushed code, no matter the user set permission you might allow
 Carl is not bothered about using KDE infra, "as long as it is not github". LOL
 Sure, well the two options in my draft proposal were Launchpad, or KDE Gitlab
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/WphvfJzf/file_33062.mp4
 I also get this written up too. But my first step will be to come back to Kubuntu et al with a selection of 3 template layouts to get some feedback on\
[14:46] <mparillo> Launchpad now supports git, right? I have forgotten what little bzr I knew.
 yes it does. our packaging has been in LP git for some years now


[01:02] <daftykins> http://s2.b3ta.com/host/creative/13/1467833078/grouchhousehunt.jpg
[01:54] <diddledan> cancelled my amazon memory order - was gonna take another week to arrive, so I've moved my custom to ebuyer - coming wednesday
[02:09] <diddledan> kk, I'm gonna set winupdate running and go bed
[02:09] <diddledan> nn
[06:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> morning
[06:32] <knightwise> morning peeps
[06:56] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:05] <MooDoo> morning
[07:10] <knightwise> hey pavlushka stryx`_
[07:10] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[07:10] <pavlushka> Hello knightwise
[07:10] <pavlushka> knightwise: I am here daywise, :p
[07:12] <pavlushka> sorry, knight is actually represent warrior, my bad knightwise
[07:13] <pavlushka> knightwise: changed mt status to guardwise, :p
[08:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:18] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Tuesday, and happy Pecan Pie Day! 😃
[08:21] <davmor2> JamesTait: just call me hillbilly joe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntM9LJj3QK8
[08:21] <foobarry> lenovo N22 chromebook £99 on amazon prime day
[08:24] <knightwise> thats pretty cheap
[09:30] <knightwise> listening to the very first DSC podcast http://hotcoffee.org/na_page/Podcasts/DSCPodcasts.aspx
[10:02] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: lenovo, comes with backdoor unlocked and a large neon sign reading "Free stuffs here"
[10:02] <foobarry> even chromebooks?
[10:03] <TwistedLucidity> Their consumer-grade were always wrose. Lost all trust in the company to be honest.
[10:04] <knightwise> TwistedLucidity: Lenovo .. our laptops have been bending over and picking up the cybersoap in the dirty bathrooms of the internet for the longest time :)
[10:04] <zmoylan-pi> teaches you how to secure your devices
[10:04] <TwistedLucidity> Kinda tricky with the baked-in Intel backdoors
[10:05] <zmoylan-pi> well even lenovo can't help that
[10:05] <TwistedLucidity> Although is (supposedly) only in the enterprise-y kit
[10:05] <zmoylan-pi> that's why you do your secure computing on an 8bit computer :-)
[10:06] <zmoylan-pi> alan cox is making a modern os for z80 chips... :-)
[10:15] <bashrc> is z80 still used anywhere? embedded systems?
[10:16] <zmoylan-pi> they haven't stopped production since the 80s aiui so someone is using them
[11:14] <awilkins> I think 68000 chips were the go-to CPU for washing machines for a long time.  Is there an obvious choice for something raspberry pi-like but with two ethernet sockets?
[12:49] <BigRedS> I'm after something cheap, not-very-powerful but able to run enough linux to filter packets
[12:50] <davmor2> BigRedS: bannan pi router maybe
[12:53] <BigRedS> davmor2: ooh, hadn't come across these banana variants, ta!
[12:54] <davmor2> BigRedS: you're welcome
[14:21] <diddledan> I wonder what the NAT performance of that banana router is
[14:21] <davmor2> diddledan: King Cole status at least
[14:22] <davmor2> diddledan: no idea in reality but it had multiple ethernet ports which was the only specification requested :)
[14:23] <diddledan> lol
[14:26] <diddledan> doesn't say much at all on https://linux-sunxi.org/Lamobo_R1#Network_performance
[14:31] <diddledan> someone asks for details at http://bananapi.com/index.php/forum/news/306-lamobo-r1-network-interface-issues but gets none
[14:34] <diddledan> someone suggests wan<->lan of about 350Mbit/s
[14:35] <diddledan> pretty decent
[14:35] <diddledan> that's at http://bananapi.com/index.php/forum/general/1920-slow-routing-speed?start=6#4089
[14:47] <diddledan> graham cluless alert: https://www.grahamcluley.com/2016/07/snapchat-lawsuit/ <-- I think a teenage boy is more likely to seek these out than file a lawsuit
[14:50] <DJones> To be honest, I can understand that lawsuit, at least 50% of the adverts I get served by websites, I'd consider offensive or against my own moral beliefs
[14:50] <diddledan> you're not a teenager though :-p
[14:50] <DJones> 95% of twitter add's I end up blocking and reporting as offensive
[14:50] <diddledan> teenagers are a weird bunch
[14:50] <DJones> Maybe not, but probably more open minded now then as a teenager
[14:50] <diddledan> I know, I used to be one :-D
[14:51] <diddledan> true
[14:51] <DJones> No kidding :)
[14:51] <diddledan> I know what you mean though, I find some stuff offensive too
[14:52] <DJones> Facebook keeps asking me to like a racist organisation even though the only people I know that have ever "liked" posts have been blocked
[14:53] <diddledan> sounds like they're trying to reinvent microsoft's clippy: "it looks like you're a racist. would you like to join the kkk?"
[14:54] <diddledan> I wonder how they figured you'd want to "like" it in the first place?
[15:00] <DJones> No idea, every time I see it, I report it as racist
[15:01] <foobarry> DJones: that stuff keeps coming up
[15:01] <foobarry> seems broken
[15:01] <foobarry> seen filthy and also unpleasant racist stuff but fb keeps forgetting
[15:01] <foobarry> maybe until i said it was libellous about me
[15:01] <foobarry> brexit has broken fb
[15:02] <davmor2> diddledan: by the sound of it he's got his head screwed on if he gets money from it :D
[15:02] <diddledan> lol
[15:03] <foobarry> been doing serious battle with nagios this week
[15:03] <foobarry> and puppet
[15:03] <diddledan> ouch
[15:03] <davmor2> foobarry: let me guess nagios won
[15:04] <foobarry> even wrose, it was with okconfig
[15:04] <foobarry> for generating configs
[15:04] <foobarry> its messy but brilliant
[15:04] <foobarry> main issue is lack of docs
[15:04] <foobarry> also pynag...awesome
[15:23] <diddledan> daftykins: my memory is in the post
[15:24] <diddledan> arriving tomorrow
[15:27] <diddledan> but grr, it's coming via yodel
[15:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[16:03] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: hi
[16:05] <diddledan> you know I think we need more Dave II. davmor2, if you will
[16:06] <diddledan> or is it 2.0?
[16:06] <diddledan> I wonder what versioning system skynet will use?
[16:07] <davmor2> diddledan: I follow Suse's 6.3 guide to nicks first 3 letters of your firstname and surname and a number davmor1 was in use at the time so I went with davmor2 it just stuck then :)
[16:08] <diddledan> lol
[16:08] <diddledan> mine would be danlle then
[16:09] <davmor2> danlle1
[16:09] <davmor2> you forgot the number
[16:09] <diddledan> I'm unsure how that would be pronounced: maybe dan lee or dannal
[16:10] <davmor2> diddledan: dan thle
[16:10] <diddledan> well if you wanna go welsh then all bets are off :-p
[16:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, hi
[17:10] <diddledan> oh dear :-( https://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/status/752180861718650881
[17:43] <knightwise> hmm
[17:43] <knightwise> i must be doing SOMETHING wrong here :)
[17:44] <knightwise> My 1604 xps wont connect to ANY bluetooth device
[17:44] <knightwise> not to a mouse, not to an external speaker , Notin
[17:58] <diddledan> knightwise: it's a feature
[17:58] <diddledan> :-p
[17:59] <diddledan> ooh, mr robot is soon
[18:01]  * diddledan watches dark matter s02e02
[18:08] <knightwise> Dark matter!
[18:10] <knightwise> thanx ! i dint know that was out
[18:12] <knightwise> diddledan: have you had trouble with bluetooth too ?
[18:12] <diddledan> I haven't tried
[18:14] <diddledan> the android is an intriguing character
[18:14] <diddledan> she's alive yet also bound. perfect yet also broken
[18:14] <davmor2> knightwise: I just connected it to a speaker no issues
[18:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[18:44] <diddledan> ho boy this sounds big: https://www.drupal.org/node/2764899
[19:09] <daftykins> diddledan: heh you have one seriously split up PC order!
[19:09] <diddledan> :-p
[19:10] <diddledan> my order for memory accidentally ended-up getting this tacked-on. I have little idea how that happened: http://www.ebuyer.com/725816-samsung-950-pro-256gb-m-2-ssd-mz-v5p256bw
[19:11] <daftykins> ah har
[19:11] <daftykins> you must have a Guern bugging you
[19:15] <diddledan> damn those guerns
[19:16] <diddledan> I made sure to find an SSD that was true pcie/nvme and a x4-lane variant for the most throughput
[19:16] <diddledan> plus samsung have good rep in my view for ssds
[19:17] <diddledan> it's somewhat annoying that you still see listings for SATA-based m.2 ssds
[19:17] <daftykins> *nod* good warranty
[19:18] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/MrsStephenFry/status/752945040574582784
[19:20] <daftykins> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-guernsey-36775543
[19:20] <daftykins> and so the stupidity begins
[19:22] <daftykins> or rather, a year ago :D
[19:27] <daftykins> diddledan: good news is there's no special hassle to go to to install, too
[19:27] <diddledan> \o/
[19:28]  * diddledan been itching to try-out this rig. can't wait until tomorrow now! :-)
[19:29] <daftykins> are you chucking out some old AMD gear and throwing it all in the same case?
[19:29] <diddledan> yup
[19:29] <daftykins> hope your PSU is haswell+ certified!
[19:30] <diddledan> o_O
[19:30] <diddledan> I haven't checked
[19:30] <diddledan> it's a corsair cx600 according to the sticker
[19:30]  * diddledan googles
[19:31] <daftykins> ah that sounds pretty recent then
[19:32] <diddledan> alternatively I can put a jeantech jnp-700-ac12 in
[19:32] <diddledan> err a12c
[19:33] <daftykins> heh never heard that brand!
[19:33] <davmor2> daftykins: they only come in denim blue and black
[19:33] <diddledan> it's on the floor there ---v
[19:34] <daftykins> :D
[19:34] <daftykins> stonewashed PSUs
[19:35] <daftykins> i wish 10's existence hadn't gimped Windows Update for 7 so much, it's been sat checking for 2.5hrs now on a 7 box of mine
[19:36] <daftykins> you could argue there's quite some load from everywhere checking at 6pm BST though (earliest they release)
[19:36] <diddledan> o_O
[19:36] <diddledan> patch tuesday?
[19:36] <daftykins> yip!
[19:36] <daftykins> updates come out at west coast time 9am i make it
[19:37] <zmoylan-pi> but didn't everyone switch to win10 leaving the windows 7 update servers empty? :-P
[19:38] <daftykins> nope you're forgetting the tinfoil hat wearers
[19:38] <DJones> Does anybody still use 7?
[19:38] <zmoylan-pi> maybe the win 7 update servers are updating to win10 right now? :-)
[19:38] <daftykins> why wouldn't they still use 7...
[19:38] <diddledan> the sky just exploded
[19:39] <DJones> If you're a tinfoil hat user, you'd you'd still be udingxp
[19:39] <DJones> using xp
[19:39] <zmoylan-pi> windows 3.0 :-)
[19:39] <daftykins> not even tinfoil hat wearers are enough of idiots to run an EOL OS
[19:39] <diddledan> hah. you're kidding, right, daftykins ?
[19:40] <daftykins> ;)
[19:40] <diddledan> "I don't care about patches. they make my system less secure"
[19:40] <daftykins> depends on your flavour of tinfoil hat luser i guess, i saw plenty running EOL ubuntu in #ubuntu trying to patch manually
[19:40] <DJones> I know people still using Windows ME.......Doh
[19:40] <diddledan> wha?!
[19:41] <diddledan> I wasn't aware anyone had ever used Me
[19:41] <daftykins> i had a graphics teacher in secondary school that told me he 'upgraded' to it, i skipped it entirely myself
[19:41] <daftykins> DJones: old codgers or something?
[19:42] <DJones> I had it preinstalled before I installed slackwareas my first linux  install
[19:42] <diddledan> wow. trial by fire that
[19:42] <diddledan> thrown-in at the deep-end
[19:42] <DJones> daftykins: Nope, Church computers, never updated
[19:42] <diddledan> and other euphemisms
[19:43] <daftykins> ah, what do they even use 'em for o0
[19:43] <daftykins> typing up the signs etc?
[19:43] <diddledan> I didn't really understand linux until I did several years with Gentoo as my system
[19:43] <DJones> daftykins: powerpoint.... thats it...
[19:43] <DJones> I think powerpoint 2003
[19:44] <diddledan> nothing quite beats wiping your system and following the gentoo install handbook in a console web browser
[19:45] <diddledan> you either get a working system eventually or you flake-out and return to windows
[19:45] <daftykins> ah 2003 was a great office, ~350MB full install - then 2007 bloated it all up to 1.2GB ish for no benefit
[19:45] <diddledan> and obviously the return to windows was kinda like admitting that you suck at life when you've decided to give linux a go
[19:46] <daftykins> that's what limited my branching out when younger, being without my music because of being too newb to have a stab at mounting an NTFS volume - and having dialup still so not having the benefit of an always on connection
[19:46] <DJones> I have a soft spot for slackware, my first linux install
[19:46] <DJones> think it was around slackware 10
[19:47] <zmoylan-pi> i think a lot of linux users had a first stab at linux before going back to familiar oses
[19:47] <daftykins> when ADSL first launched here ~ 2003 or 2004 most folks had the 'stingray' alcatel speedtouch ADSL transceiver so sharing that wasn't too easy either
[19:47] <diddledan> I think the first system I spent a reasonable amount of time with was suse and then gentoo
[19:47] <daftykins> quite envious of youngsters now, they can install anything and (mostly) have working wifi and always on broadband to make use of :)
[19:47] <zmoylan-pi> red hat 5.2 from floppies
[19:47] <diddledan> daftykins: I had one of those stingrays
[19:47] <daftykins> :D
[19:47] <diddledan> I've still got it around here in a box
[19:47] <DJones> Must have taken me a week before I moved to Ubuntu for convieniance
[19:48] <daftykins> ah i turfed it out a bit ago, we're mostly VDSL2 now so it's useless
[19:48] <diddledan> aye. I need to have a throw-out I think
[19:48] <diddledan> I've got some ancient junk here
[19:49] <daftykins> :)
[19:49] <diddledan> Pentium2 Compaq Proliants come to mind
[19:49] <DJones> There was no point reopiling the kenal just because I farted
[19:49] <daftykins> i had the benefit of the move to England for Uni to cut down, then i cut down again on the move back
[19:49] <diddledan> they're in my "server cupboard" sitting cold
[19:50] <diddledan> noisy blubbers those
[19:50] <daftykins> for a while i ran that thing on a PII or PIII as an ipcop router, then later smoothwall
[19:50] <daftykins> smoothwall 2.0 broke support though :(
[19:50] <diddledan> ipcop \o/
[19:50] <diddledan> I moved from smoothy to ipcop when smoothy went commercial
[19:50] <daftykins> o rry
[19:51] <daftykins> so it stopped being free?
[19:51] <diddledan> they had a "community" edition
[19:51] <daftykins> one of their employees actually came to my departments' project day at Portsmouth Uni
[19:51] <zmoylan-pi> i still have a battery powered 9600baud fax modem here somewhere...
[19:51] <daftykins> he said they were over in Southampton and ran umm, Xen for virt of their testing
[19:51] <diddledan> "smoothwall express" according to their site
[19:51] <daftykins> i'd done my dissertation on Xen
[19:52] <zmoylan-pi> though i did draw the line a fewe years back and got rid of the full lenght awe32 sound blaster card
[19:53] <diddledan> wow, it seems smoothwall might be dead now - last release of express was 2014 and before that 2007
[19:53] <diddledan> http://www.smoothwall.org/releases/
[19:53] <zmoylan-pi> or it's next one will be 2021...
[20:12] <daftykins> pfsense has probably firmly ousted it
[20:19] <daftykins> ah, updates galore... just got the July one for my Nexus 5 phone too!
[20:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[20:59] <ali1234> popey: does ubuntu phone have anything like the android daydreams?
[21:00] <popey> wossat?
[21:01] <popey> googled and no
[21:02] <popey> neat idea
[21:02] <ali1234> it's like a screensaver basically
[21:02] <ali1234> shows when docked/charging
[21:02] <ali1234> usually they do stuff like show rss feeds
[21:03] <daftykins> think it used to do gallery pic slideshows too?
[21:03] <daftykins> might be thinking of something else
[21:03] <ali1234> yep that's another one
[21:03] <ali1234> like live wallpapers, you can install different ones from the store
[21:04] <popey> certainly possible
[21:06] <zmoylan-pi> strange person that i am i want devices not to use screen when charging... we had an imate jasjar winmobile device that insisted on turning screen on when trickle charging making the charge take 20+ hours... :-/
[21:08] <diddledan> hmm, my system is being wonky
[21:09] <diddledan> can't load pages in browser but already loaded ones like this irccloud tab work fine still
[21:09] <diddledan> also explorer won't open
[21:10] <diddledan> task manager won't open
[21:11] <daftykins> can you run eventvwr and go to windows -> system ?
[21:12] <daftykins> (windows logs)
[21:13] <daftykins> could be all those insider builds catching up on you otherwise
[21:14] <daftykins> 3 weeks 'til the anniversary release of 10 \o/
[21:16] <zmoylan-pi> you shall bake a cake with an ubuntu usb drive in it?
[21:17] <diddledan> had to hit the reset button
[21:17] <daftykins> D:
[21:19] <daftykins> i had that with my new desktop recently, i had to make some registry edits to enable AHCI drive power control options to be visible in power config, then changed the drives (for my secondary drives) to use DIPM instead of HIPM (device vs. host initiated power management)
[21:19] <daftykins> felt like a Linux tweak it was so tedious ;)
[21:21] <diddledan> yeah it seemed to be unable to do anything that required IO
[21:26] <daftykins> sounds a lot like what i had yep, kinda soft lock where only the cursor moved?
[21:26] <diddledan> aye
[21:26] <daftykins> i had a tonne of iastor events in that section of event viewer anyways
[21:26] <diddledan> for a period I could get start menu but eventually even that refused
[21:27] <daftykins> if you open it and leave it open you might be able to check later
[21:27] <daftykins> (if you see it again)
[21:27] <daftykins> it's funny though, i was using my new PC for ages before that issue cropped up - then i could repeat it easily within 30 mins, so found how to solve it
[22:11] <diddledan> my parcel is at wednesbury in the west-midlands
[22:12] <daftykins> o0
[22:13] <daftykins> i'm looking at flights for a trip to the US in September
[22:13] <diddledan> ooh
[22:13] <daftykins> including 3 domestic flights to nip around and visit folk!
[22:13] <daftykins> all that only comes to £1,200 - quite a surprise
[22:17] <zmoylan-pi> with free prostate exam thrown in
[22:18] <daftykins> yay!
[22:19] <diddledan> I love Linus: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/11/linus_torvalds_in_sweary_rant_about_punctuation_in_kernel_comments/?mt=1468358181361
[22:23] <daftykins> oh dear
[22:29] <zmoylan-pi> some one should send him a top posted email... :-P
[23:31] <diddledan> I miss playing with my Wily.
[23:31] <diddledan> it's a shame Ubuntu has such a rapid release cadence at times.
[23:32] <diddledan> at least Bash on Ubuntu on Windows is Trusty. I'd hate not to be able to rely on Microsoft :-p
[23:33] <m0nkey_> That is a terrible pun, especially for you.
[23:33] <diddledan> surely you expect these from me by now?
[23:36] <daftykins> :D
[23:39] <m0nkey_> I do, and don't call me Shirley.
[23:40] <diddledan> mr robot starts soon
[23:40] <daftykins> \o/
[23:40] <daftykins> not gonna make the mistake of watching as it airs though, no sir-ee
[23:41] <daftykins> (not that i did for s1 either)
[23:41] <diddledan> lol
[23:41] <daftykins> s'all about that binge enablement!