[12:37] <PuMpErNiCkLe> kumamoto: I think he meant GParted.  I can't be sure, though.
[12:41] <kumamoto> PuMpErNiCkLe: maybe it is the terminology that got me confused
[12:42] <kumamoto> my bad
[01:25] <neozen> meeep
[01:26] <PuMpErNiCkLe> ^^
[01:27] <neozen> hoallo there
[01:28] <neozen> room's been so quiet as of late
[01:28] <neozen> don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing
[01:29] <posingaspopular> neozen: im new to the room but i dont have anything to say
[01:29] <posingaspopular> and im going watching a movie/leaving for school soon
[01:29] <neozen> heh
[01:29] <neozen> well... I'm in class
[01:30] <posingaspopular>  ah i have to drive to school in 1/2 an hour
[01:30] <posingaspopular> :/
[01:30] <neozen> lol
[01:30] <neozen> at least... I don't have to do that
[01:30] <neozen> ..instead
[01:30] <neozen> ...i take a 2 hour train into the city
[01:31] <neozen> (chicago)
[01:31] <posingaspopular> i live in chicago. midway
[01:31] <neozen> really?
[01:31] <posingaspopular> what school are you at
[01:31] <neozen> depaul
[01:31] <posingaspopular> yea really
[01:31] <neozen> small world ::grins::
[01:31] <posingaspopular> oh on the northside by fullerton? or downtown by wabash?
[01:31] <posingaspopular> ha yea
[01:32] <neozen> wabash & jackson
[01:32] <neozen> ...here for comp sci
[01:32] <posingaspopular> yea downtown
[01:32] <neozen> ..all that stuffs @ the loop campus
[01:32] <neozen> ...the one in LP is more for arts
[01:32] <neozen> history
[01:32] <posingaspopular> mmhm. i know a bunch of people at depaul
[01:33] <neozen> where go you?
[01:33] <neozen> (school)
[01:33] <posingaspopular> uh richard daley, junior college. 75th and pulaski
[01:33] <posingaspopular> south
[01:33] <neozen> ah
[01:35] <posingaspopular> yes sir
[01:35] <posingaspopular> depaul is pretty cool, i like the game lab
[01:35] <neozen> .....definately a great perk
[01:35] <neozen> ...haven't gotten much of a chance to go this term
[01:36] <posingaspopular> ha yea, all the tvs....
[01:36] <neozen> ...been too busy w/ clas
[01:36] <jlamr> anyone know about why my wireless router occasionally cuts out - like when coming back from standby. Only comes on reboot
[01:36] <posingaspopular> were you a part of the detag competition
[01:36] <jlamr> s/comes/comes back/
[01:37] <posingaspopular> ?
[01:38] <posingaspopular> neozen: detag?
[01:38] <neozen> yeah
[01:39] <neozen> ..I was one of the people who won
[01:39] <posingaspopular> you were? did you hear about the douchebag who busted his head open?
[01:39] <neozen> nope
[01:39] <neozen> ah
[01:39] <posingaspopular> 4 in the head, 2 in the moustache
[01:40] <neozen> jlamr
[01:40] <neozen> do you mean your router
[01:40] <neozen> ..or your wireless card
[01:40] <neozen> ....and i'd have to know which card
[01:40] <neozen> ....plus... standby does weird things on my laptop as well
[01:40] <jlamr> ah yeah wireless card
[01:41] <neozen> ...as far as I know... it depends on which power management drivers you are using
[01:41] <jlamr> i had to use fwcutter to install driver - its a dynex generic best buy
[01:41] <neozen> fwcutter?
[01:41] <neozen> !fwcutter
[01:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fwcutter - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:42] <neozen> that bot...... need a massive upgrade
[01:42] <neozen> s/need/needs/
[01:42] <neozen> aaaah
[01:42] <neozen> gotcha
[01:43] <neozen> problem might not be in your card
[01:43] <neozen> ....my money is on your power management
[01:43] <neozen> I just don't standby
[01:43] <jlamr> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wi...Driver/bcm43xx
[01:43] <jlamr> Reply With Quote
[01:44] <jlamr> followed howto on that limk
[01:44] <neozen> ..all hail anti-shock harddrives
[01:44] <neozen> ...ok
[01:44] <neozen> oh good lord
[01:44] <neozen> ..its a broadcom
[01:44] <jlamr> yeah im on an old iseries  5GB not sure how much ram
[01:44] <neozen> lol
[01:45] <neozen> hey... it works right?
[01:45] <neozen> .....well ... you have a few options
[01:45] <jlamr> yup - well 85% : )
[01:45] <neozen> 1.... don't standby
[01:45] <neozen> linux shouldn't really take that long to boot anyway
[01:45] <jlamr> sometimes synaptic or apt-get causes problem too
[01:46] <neozen> ..probably when your wireless isn't connected
[01:46] <neozen> ....they really start puking when a connection isn't there
[01:46] <jlamr> yeah
[01:46] <jlamr> do you use wireless
[01:46] <neozen> yeah
[01:47] <neozen> have an intel pro wireless 3945abg
[01:47] <jlamr> did you go with WPA2?
[01:47] <neozen> I just use wpa with a loooong key
[01:47] <neozen> ..thats not a dictionary word
[01:47] <neozen> ..by any stretch of the imagination
[01:48] <jlamr> right..i ve read a few howtos - was it too terrible to set up?
[01:48] <neozen> heh
[01:48] <neozen> well... my card is supported by network-manager-gnome
[01:48] <neozen> ......I just have a tray icon
[01:48] <jlamr> that helps fer sure
[01:48] <neozen> ...that acts like windows' wireless networking
[01:49] <neozen> ...i click... I get a list of visible networks
[01:49] <neozen> ...if it needs a password, it looks in the gnome keyring for it... and if it can't find it, it prompts
[01:49] <jlamr> oh man, must be nice - wifi-radar works OK for me
[01:49] <neozen> yeah
[01:50] <neozen> its way too easy
[01:50] <neozen> ...I'm no help @ linux group when it comes to wireless issues
[01:50] <jlamr> im so jealous though - i was soo happy to get wireless working. But I can really appreciate
[01:50] <neozen> but from all the stuff I read
[01:50] <jlamr> it now
[01:50] <neozen> getting wpa setup wasn't too hard
[01:51] <neozen> I know there's a wpa howto somewhere
[01:51] <neozen> I know you'll need wpa_supplicant
[01:51] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !wpa
[01:51] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:51] <jlamr> now im just using mac restriction diff ssid and no broadcast
[01:52] <neozen> well..... mac restriction is easy to get around
[01:52] <kristjans> is
[01:52] <kristjans> ...
[01:52] <neozen> ...deauth the actual user
[01:52] <jlamr> yeah, wireless in general
[01:52] <kristjans> any good php editor for xfce?
[01:52] <jlamr> !kismet
[01:52] <neozen> vim?
[01:52] <ubotu> kismet: Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 2006.04.R1-1.1 (edgy), package size 964 kB, installed size 2448 kB
[01:53] <jlamr> ive done a webpage in only vi
[01:53] <kristjans> i'm more into gui applications
[01:53] <kristjans> i believe i could do it too, but i find it to be less to my liking
[01:53] <neozen> kristjans: can you deal w/ xemacs?
[01:54] <kristjans> neozen: i have no idea, i suppose i have to try it ;)
[01:54] <kumamoto> jlamr, is that plain html or html css javascript ruby all that good stuff
[01:54] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !info scite
[01:54] <ubotu> scite: Lightweight GTK-based Programming Editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.69-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 778 kB, installed size 1956 kB
[01:55] <kristjans> scite sounds good
[01:55] <neozen> o.O
[01:55] <neozen> new to me
[01:55] <kristjans> installing
[01:56] <jlamr> plain ollllll html although wrote perl cgi scripts too - nothin special
[01:56] <neozen> ..I can't deal w/ vi
[01:57] <jlamr> once you figure it out its not bad - better than word in some respects
[01:58] <neozen> .....I like having more then one undo
[01:58] <neozen> ..thus.... vim
[01:58] <jlamr> use '.'
[01:58] <jlamr> period
[01:58] <neozen> .......?
[01:59] <jlamr> period repeats last command
[01:59] <neozen> then.. you might be using vim and just not know it
[01:59] <neozen> original vi only let you undo one thing
[01:59] <neozen> !vim
[01:59] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[02:00] <kristjans> !html
[02:00] <ubotu> html is HyperText Markup Language, used to build webpages. Editors in Ubuntu: Bluefish, Quanta+, Screem, and Nvu. For howto on HTML coding, see: http://www.w3schools.com
[02:00] <neozen> scite is interesting
[02:00] <neozen> thanke pumpernickle
[02:00] <jlamr> maybe vi == vim? in new distros
[02:00] <kristjans> does scite have to so unfit my theme though?
[02:00] <neozen> lol
[02:00] <neozen> kristjans: dark theme user?
[02:01] <kristjans> neozen: yup
[02:01] <neozen> hehehe
[02:01] <neozen> who knows
[02:01] <neozen> ..perhaps its got skins
[02:01] <neozen> or some kind of color configuration
[02:02] <kristjans> hopefully
[02:03] <neozen> well.... I've found a global preferences file
[02:03] <neozen> Options - > Open ___________ options file
[02:03] <neozen> standard linux configuration
[02:03] <neozen> ....one biiiiiig text file
[02:04] <neozen> ....kind of mean for a gui editor... but I can understand
[02:04] <neozen> ...easier to code that way
[02:04] <kristjans> i though it would be longer
[02:06] <neozen> heh
[02:06] <neozen> this... is why I use vim in a terminal
[02:06] <neozen> black bg ... green text
[02:06] <kristjans> how can you stand it?
[02:06] <kristjans> :D
[02:06] <neozen> because its how I started
[02:07] <neozen> ....was raised on an original IBM pc
[02:07] <neozen> 1 color
[02:07] <neozen> ...if you poked a button... what that color was changed
[02:07] <kristjans> it would make more sense to have 2 colours
[02:07] <neozen> well
[02:07] <neozen> black and one color
[02:07] <kristjans> ;)
[02:08] <neozen> hell yeah
[02:08] <jlamr> >side
[02:08] <neozen> I still have one of those
[02:09] <neozen> ...and about 20 cartridges
[02:09] <neozen> ...should last me till I die
[02:09] <jlamr> they dont make em like that any more
[02:09] <neozen> lol
[02:09] <jlamr> thank god :)
[02:09] <neozen> hey.... they were easy to program back in the day
[02:10] <neozen> ...now..... youd better know postscript (if you're lucky) ...or some proprietary language (if you're not)
[02:11] <neozen> ....the key w/ the proprinter... is to tell a computer that its not a printer
[02:11] <neozen> ...that its just a pipe
[02:11] <neozen> ...and to stick characters into it directly
[02:11] <jlamr> itll all be digital someday...maybe
[02:11] <neozen> ..otherwise.... it starts printing multiple times to make it darker... stupid drivers
[02:12] <neozen> if I wanted it dark... I'd use the ancient HP cube in the corner
[02:12] <neozen> *not so ancient
[02:12] <neozen> kristjans: ....you might also want to look into gvim
[02:13] <neozen> ....more minimal then an IDE
[02:13] <neozen> ...but kicks the #@$#@$ out of mousepad
[02:13] <jlamr> ever changed the default 'ready' message on a hp printer? Something like 'Insert Quarter'
[02:13] <neozen> LOL
[02:14] <kristjans> i am unenlightened. couldn't i just use screem?
[02:14] <neozen> fear not
[02:14] <neozen> gvim is for the unenlightened
[02:14] <neozen> ....think of it... as the gateway drug
[02:14] <kristjans> okay ;)
[02:15] <neozen> still needs vim commands though
[02:15] <neozen> when you want to edit the file... just hit i
[02:15] <kristjans> vim-gtk?
[02:15] <neozen> yeah
[02:15] <kristjans> i've figured that out
[02:15] <kristjans> the i and esc keys
[02:15] <kristjans> ;
[02:16] <neozen> I can recommend a great vim tutorial
[02:16] <jlamr> and :w  to save
[02:17] <neozen> ESC u to undo
[02:17] <jlamr> yeah ESC is your friend
[02:17] <kristjans> okay. what advantage does it have over ctrl+s?
[02:18] <neozen> heh
[02:18] <neozen> you can use it on a terminal that doesn't have a cntrl key
[02:18] <kristjans> hm
[02:18] <kristjans> i've never used a terminal
[02:18] <neozen> ...think about the history of command line stuff
[02:19] <neozen> ...I really do pity the windows generation
[02:19] <jlamr> whyzat neozen ?
[02:19] <kristjans> i am trying to understand, but i have a thick head
[02:20] <neozen> kristjans: no worries
[02:20] <neozen> ...at all
[02:20] <neozen> I'm just being annoying
[02:22] <neozen> kristjans: there exist great ide's for linux
[02:22] <neozen> ...i just don't use them
[02:22] <neozen> the one exception is java
[02:22] <neozen> ..i use an ide for java
[02:23] <jlamr> neozen, recommend a beginner tuturial for java?
[02:23] <kristjans> isn't there a just "mousepad" with ftp support + syntax highlighting? :P
[02:23] <neozen> LOL
[02:24] <neozen> jlamr: do you know c++?
[02:24] <Jester45> kristjans: yes, my script + scite
[02:24] <neozen> hey there jester
[02:24] <neozen> know how to configure scite to work w/ dark themes?
[02:25] <neozen> ie... black bg lighter text by default?
[02:25] <jlamr> nope a little c# plus perl, and sigh vb..
[02:25] <Jester45> hey, iva been at my girlfriends she broke her computer
[02:25] <neozen> these things happen
[02:25] <neozen> jlamr well.... actually I can't
[02:26] <neozen> ..I took classes in java
[02:26] <neozen> ...and the books were worthless
[02:26] <Jester45> i would never make a program in java
[02:26] <neozen> for a reference ... I can highly recommend the tiger book
[02:26] <neozen> ...search function sucks though
[02:27] <neozen> ....for searching the api.. take a look @ sun's online api documentation
[02:27] <neozen> ...its VERY in depth
[02:27] <jlamr> just gotta jump in i guess
[02:27] <neozen> some of the nicest I've seen
[02:27] <neozen> jester... why?
[02:27] <jlamr> sometimes too much info is a bad thing
[02:27] <neozen> lol
[02:27] <Jester45> kristjans: my script mounts ftp sites
[02:27] <Jester45> neozen: waste of computer power
[02:28] <kristjans> i think it would be perfect with a support for black theme
[02:28] <neozen> Jester45: lol
[02:28] <jlamr> memory hog?
[02:28] <neozen> yeah
[02:28] <neozen> but I've got a gig of ram
[02:28] <neozen> ...my memory problems stopped LONG ago
[02:28] <Jester45> neozen: 2 g ram here
[02:29] <neozen> and under linux... java loads in a sane amount of time
[02:29] <Jester45> and i still could use more
[02:29] <neozen> Jester45: ........
[02:29] <jlamr> firefox is java right?
[02:29] <neozen> well... I know azureus is
[02:29] <neozen> I don't think firefox is
[02:29] <kristjans> first time i hear that ff would be java
[02:29] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It isn't.
[02:29] <neozen> since it doesn't seem to need a jre
[02:30] <Jester45> i think ff is perl or python
[02:30] <neozen> my money is on python
[02:30] <jlamr> shell scripts?
[02:30] <Jester45> or some other language that starts with p
[02:30] <Jester45> jlamr: what about them
[02:30] <neozen> jlamr: no
[02:30] <neozen> jlamr: ff would not be shell scripts
[02:30] <Jester45> o
[02:30] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's C/C++.
[02:30] <jlamr> jk
[02:30] <neozen> that.... would be...... something else
[02:31] <neozen> though... I have seen a shell script web browser
[02:31] <neozen> ...came with ulinux
[02:31] <neozen> ....how do I type non-standard characters under linux?
[02:31] <neozen> like the symbol for micro
[02:31] <Jester45> there ia a cli browser but... i dont know if its a sh
[02:32] <neozen> lynx always treated me nice
[02:32] <kristjans> i guess
[02:32] <kristjans> i'm going to stick with mousepad
[02:33] <Jester45> you mean like....?
[02:33] <neozen> jester: exactly
[02:33] <neozen> kristjans: awwww don't do that
[02:33] <Jester45> neozen: google them :) i googled utorrent because the u should be a
[02:33] <neozen> LOL
[02:34] <Jester45> kristjans: what are you sticking to mousepad with
[02:34] <neozen> code editing
[02:34] <neozen> ....ick
[02:34] <Jester45> use scite
[02:34] <kristjans> html and php
[02:34] <kristjans> scite looks
[02:34] <kristjans> ugly :(
[02:34] <neozen> once you have intelligent autoindent... you never go back
[02:34] <Jester45> i use html with scite
[02:34] <jlamr> thought I saw a character map somewhere,
[02:35] <kristjans> i think i would have too hard time configuring it though
[02:35] <neozen> kristjans: come back in a week
[02:35] <neozen> ..if I've made it work... I'll be letting you know
[02:36] <kristjans> i think removing the icons would help
[02:36] <neozen> lol
[02:36] <kristjans> because i don't need any of thos
[02:36] <kristjans> okay
[02:36] <kristjans> removed
[02:36] <kristjans> way better :)
[02:36] <Jester45> i would like to learn perl...but im to lazy right now
[02:36] <neozen> there's always a setting to whack out the toolbar
[02:36] <neozen> the camel book is great for that
[02:37] <jlamr>
[02:37] <kristjans> yeah but it just a waste of space
[02:37] <kristjans> is
[02:37] <kristjans> there a way to remove half of the menus? :
[02:37] <neozen> LOL
[02:37] <neozen> just use vim
[02:37] <neozen> in a terminal
[02:37] <neozen> I know there's a syntax highlighter for PHP and HTML
[02:38] <neozen> script for vim
[02:38] <kristjans> i want file > open/save/save as and search and maybe a preferences
[02:38] <neozen> ....well.... you could always write one
[02:38] <neozen> kristjans: care to learn python?
[02:38] <neozen> j/k
[02:38] <kristjans> hm...
[02:38] <kristjans> i have to think about that ;)
[02:39] <neozen> if you write it... we will come
[02:40] <jlamr> http://www.php-editors.com/review/
[02:40] <kristjans> but can the language list be cut down?
[02:41] <kristjans> i've never heard about half of the languages
[02:41] <kristjans> there
[02:41] <neozen> hmm
[02:41] <kristjans> html, css and php would be fine with me
[02:41] <neozen> wait... you mean in scite?
[02:41] <kristjans> yeah
[02:41] <neozen> ...don't worry about it
[02:42] <neozen> ..it should auto detect which syntax highlighting to use
[02:42] <neozen> SHOULD
[02:42] <kristjans> okay
[02:42] <neozen> hey... I got something
[02:42] <neozen> nedit
[02:42] <kristjans> then how do i remove the language menu?:P
[02:45] <kristjans> i tried nedit, it didn't even start
[02:46] <neozen> what do you mean didn't start
[02:46] <kristjans> i typed in gedit, nothing happened. i typed it in terminal and a couple lines of text came there and nothing else happened
[02:47] <neozen> nedit
[02:47] <neozen> ..not gedit
[02:47] <kristjans> nedit then
[02:47] <neozen> sudo aptitude install nedit
[02:47] <kristjans> i typed in nedit then ;)
[02:47] <neozen> run from a terminal
[02:47] <neozen> *run that line
[02:47] <kristjans> BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
[02:47] <kristjans>  etc...
[02:47] <kristjans> that's when i tried it
[02:48] <neozen> BadMatch?
[02:48] <kristjans> it's
[02:48] <kristjans> 3 more lines
[02:48] <neozen> did you install nedit?
[02:48] <kristjans> i did
[02:49] <neozen> ...ok
[02:49] <kristjans> and i already uninstalled it too
[02:49] <neozen> lol
[02:50] <kristjans> so is
[02:50] <kristjans> it hopeless to find a html/css/php editor that i could strip down to my needs?
[02:50] <neozen> yes
[02:50] <neozen> ..... if you want minimal
[02:50] <neozen> ...you want terminal
[02:51] <neozen> ::grins::
[02:51] <kristjans> terminal is
[02:51] <kristjans> too minimal
[02:51] <neozen> LOL
[02:51] <kristjans> i would like something that would not be minimal, and what would let me remove all the features
[02:51] <kristjans> that i don't want
[02:52] <kristjans> or be minimal, and let me add these. kind of like firefox.
[02:52] <neozen> lol
[02:52] <neozen> I would call firefox many things
[02:52] <neozen> ...minimal isn't one of them
[02:52] <kristjans> it's kind of a base
[02:52] <kristjans> to which you add plugins and things
[02:52] <kristjans> like that
[02:52] <neozen> anything which eats ram like that..... is not minimal
[02:53] <neozen> however... it WORKS
[02:53] <neozen> so I'll forgive it
[02:53] <kristjans> what i like about firefox is
[02:53] <neozen> go look up emacs and its variants
[02:54] <kristjans> that i use most of it's menus that i can see
[02:54] <neozen> there's a million of them
[02:54] <kristjans> not those that are hidden though
[02:54] <neozen> ..and they are infinitely configurable
[02:55] <kristjans> hmm... i was
[02:55] <kristjans> afraid that someone will say that
[02:55] <neozen> ok
[02:55] <neozen> ....well... you want minimal
[02:55] <neozen> ...gui
[02:55] <neozen> ...and lots of configuration
[02:55] <neozen> .....emacs
[02:55] <kristjans> i have tried it
[02:55] <kristjans> i didn't get further than seeing how ugly it looked
[02:55] <kristjans> then i closed it
[02:56] <neozen> let me guess ... not to your liking?
[02:56] <kristjans> then i typed in emacs
[02:56] <kristjans> gtk2
[02:56] <kristjans> and found some questions
[02:56] <kristjans> and no guides
[02:56] <kristjans> then i removed it
[02:57] <neozen> well.... theres this thing
[02:57] <neozen> its called google
[02:57] <neozen> ..type in emacs... tutorial
[02:57] <neozen> ::grins::
[02:57] <kristjans> google was
[02:57] <kristjans> the place where i typed in emacs gt2
[02:57] <neozen> ah
[02:57] <kristjans> gtk
[02:57] <neozen> xemacs
[02:57] <neozen> I know that works
[02:58] <kristjans> xemacs21?
[02:58] <kristjans> 32.9mb?
[02:58] <kristjans> minimal?
[02:58] <kristjans> :P
[02:58] <neozen> lol
[02:58] <neozen> from your descriptions
[02:58] <neozen> ..you don't want minimal
[02:58] <jlamr> any time i need php i just google/copy/paste - but then again, im a hack
[02:59] <neozen> ..you want maximum configurability
[02:59] <neozen> ..so you can strip it down
[02:59] <neozen> .....lots of configuration..... does not get you minimal
[02:59] <kristjans> hmm
[02:59] <neozen> besides
[03:00] <neozen> don't be stingy w/ disk space
[03:00] <neozen> ..how large is the HD
[03:00] <kristjans> After unpacking 107MB of additional disk space will be used.
[03:00] <kristjans> 75 gb
[03:00] <neozen> yeah
[03:00] <neozen> well...
[03:00] <neozen> I think you can spare the 32mb
[03:00] <neozen> ..if it gets you what you want
[03:00] <kristjans> it's 107 mb
[03:01] <neozen> well... ::grins:: that's emacs
[03:01] <neozen> ...be sure to use aptitude when you install
[03:01] <kristjans> i pressed Y
[03:01] <neozen> ..instead of apt-get
[03:01] <kristjans> why?
[03:01] <kristjans> i though they are the same thing
[03:01] <kristjans> thought*
[03:01] <neozen> ...if you whack something out... it will remove the dependancies it installed along with something
[03:02] <neozen> but it can only do that when you install w/ aptitude
[03:02] <neozen> apt-get doesn't remove all the dependancies
[03:02] <neozen> certainly not in my experience
[03:02] <kristjans> okay
[03:02] <neozen> the good news is
[03:02] <neozen> ..you can speak to them in the same way
[03:03] <neozen> the syntax for commands is exactly the same
[03:03] <neozen> sudo aptitude install packagename
[03:03] <neozen> sudo aptitude purge packagename
[03:03] <neozen> etc
[03:03] <kristjans> that's why i thought they were the same
[03:03] <neozen> no
[03:03] <neozen> they're different
[03:03] <neozen> aptitude is a front-end to apt-get
[03:03] <neozen> ..that does more
[03:04] <kristjans> "remove" and "purge" are different then too?
[03:04] <neozen> yes
[03:04] <neozen> remove whacks out the binaries and some configs
[03:04] <neozen> ..purge whacks out EVERYTHING
[03:05] <kristjans> i don't want it to remove EVERYTHING lol :P
[03:05] <neozen> everything that it created
[03:05] <neozen> ...or added
[03:05] <kristjans> yeah:P
[03:05] <neozen> when it installed
[03:05] <kristjans> is xemacs easy to configure though?
[03:05] <neozen> should be
[03:05] <neozen> .....
[03:05] <neozen> if you know lisp
[03:05] <kristjans> mm
[03:05] <kristjans> what's that?
[03:06] <neozen> programming language
[03:06] <jlamr> Im off, but kristjans there is a ##php chan here, maybe those folks could recommend something specifically for your needs
[03:06] <kristjans> uh
[03:06] <kristjans> emacs is
[03:06] <kristjans> gray
[03:07] <neozen> configurable
[03:07] <neozen> and its gray
[03:07] <kristjans> can i configure it to be exactly like mousepad?
[03:07] <neozen> because that's the bg of your dark theme
[03:07] <neozen> ...probably
[03:07] <kristjans> how long will it take?
[03:07] <neozen> don't know
[03:08] <neozen> I've done what I can for you
[03:08] <kristjans> thanks
[03:08] <neozen> ..and suggested all I can think of
[03:08] <neozen> ....you... are what is known as a tough customer ::Grins::
[03:08] <kristjans> :D
[03:08] <neozen> you're welcome
[03:08] <kristjans> i know what i want but i have a hard time expressing it
[03:09] <neozen> you might want to work on that
[03:09] <neozen> it will serve you better then anything else in life
[03:09] <kristjans> & i don't want to spam the channel
[03:10] <neozen> ...not like anyone else is speaking
[03:10] <kristjans> emacs is
[03:10] <kristjans> scary
[03:11] <neozen> yep
[03:11] <kristjans> the closest thing to what i want seems
[03:11] <neozen> lol
[03:11] <kristjans> still to be mousepad
[03:11] <neozen> well .. there is good news
[03:11] <neozen> http://blog.xfce.org/?p=153
[03:12] <kristjans> woah
[03:13] <neozen> yeah
[03:13] <neozen> mousepad might be getting all those features you know and love
[03:13] <neozen> heck... it might have them now
[03:14] <kristjans> i think it would be the best to go through plugins though
[03:14] <kristjans> i love the default configuration for mousepad
[03:15] <neozen> its all about the direction the developer is willing to go in
[03:15] <neozen> ...you want to go in a different direction
[03:15] <neozen> ..write your own
[03:15] <neozen> ..that's been the way of it since the beginning
[03:15] <neozen> ..remember... most of these coders aren't getting paid
[03:15] <kristjans> it would be way easier if i knew how to program applications
[03:16] <neozen> well
[03:16] <neozen> if you know python
[03:16] <neozen> ...just look up the gtk bindings for it
[03:16] <neozen> ...I think even php had gtk bindings
[03:16] <neozen> *has
[03:17] <kristjans> okay
[03:18] <kristjans> so, i stick with mousepad. for now. :
[03:18] <neozen> lol
[03:18] <kristjans> what i miss about it is a preferences dialog
[03:18] <neozen> or you snag the newest version of it
[03:18] <neozen> ...where all the stuff might be in
[03:19] <kristjans> i don't want all the stuff though
[03:20] <kristjans> as i said, mousepad seems to fit me the best ;)
[03:20] <neozen> .................
[03:20] <neozen> ok
[03:20] <kristjans> i even think it has too many options right now
[03:21] <neozen> we... do not think alike
[03:21] <kristjans> :P
[03:21] <neozen> though don't get me wrong
[03:21] <neozen> I hate emacs
[03:21] <neozen> having an entire os in my editor.. seems a bit much for me
[03:21] <kristjans> :P
[03:21] <neozen> ..ancient joke
[03:22] <kristjans> (File>as it is; Edit>Undo, Redo, Preferences; Search>as it is; Options > As
[03:22] <kristjans> it is
[03:22] <kristjans> that would be the 4 menus
[03:22] <kristjans> of my dream application
[03:23] <neozen> yeah
[03:23] <kristjans> the syntax highlighting would be under the preferences
[03:23] <neozen> ....so
[03:23] <neozen> go write it
[03:23] <neozen> ...seriously
[03:23] <kristjans> writing an application to write web sites? isn't it too much :D
[03:24] <neozen> lol
[03:24] <kristjans> i'll never get the web site done like that
[03:24] <neozen> yeah
[03:26] <neozen> well.... then I guess you deal w/ the solutions available
[03:26] <kristjans> i can deal with it
[03:26] <neozen> coo
[03:26] <kristjans> i was just wondering, if there is
[03:26] <kristjans> something like that
[03:26] <kristjans> ;)
[03:26] <neozen> I think we've pretty much exhausted the options
[03:26] <neozen> take a look @ that list jlamr posted
[03:27] <neozen> maybe you'll find what you seek
[03:27] <neozen> ..just realize
[03:27] <neozen> you might have to be flexible
[03:27] <neozen> alllright
[03:27] <neozen> next question
[03:27] <neozen> LOL
[03:27] <kristjans> :P
[03:28] <kristjans> at least i now know that i like mousepad more than i though
[03:28] <kristjans> t
[03:29] <neozen> lol
[03:29] <neozen> that's good
[03:29] <neozen> ...one should like one's editor
[03:29] <neozen> ...in linux you end up spending an awful lot of time in it
[03:30] <neozen> this.. is why there are holy wars over editors
[03:30] <neozen> did you ever like textpad?
[03:30] <neozen> under windows?
[03:30] <kristjans> i liked notepad
[03:30] <neozen> EWWWWWWWWWWWWW!
[03:30] <neozen> I could never go back
[03:31] <neozen> I've grown to like smart indent far too much
[03:31] <kristjans> hm
[03:31] <kristjans> what's that?:P
[03:31] <neozen> ok
[03:31] <neozen> imagine ... you type an {
[03:31] <neozen> you whack enter
[03:31] <kristjans> oh that
[03:31] <neozen> you start typing
[03:31] <neozen> ...it indents
[03:32] <kristjans> vim?
[03:32] <neozen> ...when you type a }
[03:32] <neozen> ..it lines it up w/ the other one
[03:32] <neozen> yeah
[03:32] <neozen> vim has it
[03:32] <neozen> emacs has it
[03:32] <neozen> ...any editor (including the current 0.3.x mousepad apparently) seems to have it
[03:33] <neozen> except the mousepad that comes w/ xubuntu dapper
[03:33] <neozen> I do a ton of coding
[03:34] <kristjans> i need .3.x mousepad
[03:34] <kristjans> :P
[03:34] <neozen> ...and when my editor lines up my code for me .... so I don't have to.... and runs fast.... and doesn't slow me down.... I fall in love
[03:34] <neozen> ok
[03:34] <neozen> you'll probably have to compile from source
[03:34] <neozen> and....... it might be beta
[03:35] <neozen> but it exists
[03:36] <kristjans> http://svn.xfce.org/svn/xfce/mousepad/branches/mousepad-0.3.x/
[03:36] <neozen> you know how to compile right?
[03:36] <kristjans> i'm clueless
[03:36] <kristjans> make / make install?
[03:36] <neozen> ...ok... I'll do it with you
[03:36] <kristjans> i see no configure file
[03:36] <neozen> load up a terminal
[03:36] <kristjans> loaded to src folder
[03:37] <neozen> (mousepad 0.3 seems like a good thing to carry around anyway)
[03:37] <neozen> ok
[03:37] <kristjans> i tried svn before
[03:37] <kristjans> bash: svn: command not found
[03:38] <neozen> yeah
[03:39] <neozen> working on that
[03:39] <kristjans> isn't the package git-svn
[03:39] <kristjans> ?
[03:39] <kristjans> i'm just guessing, i have no clue
[03:40] <neozen> HEY GUYS!!!!
[03:40] <neozen> wakee wakee!!!
[03:40] <neozen> lol
[03:40] <kristjans> :P
[03:40] <kristjans> git-svn is already the newest version.
[03:40] <kristjans> can't be that
[03:41] <neozen> got it
[03:41] <neozen> aptitude install subversion
[03:42] <kristjans> okay, almost installed
[03:44] <neozen> LOL
[03:44] <neozen> nm
[03:45] <neozen> requires at least 3 or 4 more tools
[03:46] <kristjans> hm
[03:46] <neozen> and the list just keeps growing
[03:46] <neozen> ...bah
[03:46] <neozen> ...forgot how much of a pain this can be
[03:47] <kristjans> XFCE Desktop Environment ...and everything goes faster! :)
[03:47] <neozen> it does
[03:47] <neozen> it really does
[03:47] <neozen> the software is fast
[03:47] <neozen> ..just don't mess w/ it
[03:47] <kristjans> :P
[03:47] <neozen> plus installing development versions is always a pain
[03:55] <cellofellow> I think I have a buggy xfce4-panel. It's hogging lots of CPU.
[03:56] <neozen> yeah
[03:57] <cellofellow> and doesn't respond to SIGTERM, but needs a SIGKILL
[03:57] <neozen> I've noticed my cpu usage maxing out as well
[03:57] <neozen> though the culprit appears to be X
[03:57] <neozen> *Xorg
[03:57] <neozen> on dapper
[03:57] <neozen> according to top
[03:57] <cellofellow> well, Min
[03:57] <cellofellow> Mine's usually Xorg, but it calms down.
[03:58] <neozen> mine hasn't been as of late
[03:58] <cellofellow> I had a rouge xfce4-panel process.
[03:58] <neozen> ..is beginning to vex me
[03:58] <neozen> lol
[03:58] <neozen> if it does it any more
[03:58] <neozen> I'll whack out Xorg
[03:58] <cellofellow> and use what?
[03:58] <cellofellow> Emcs?
[03:58] <cellofellow> Emacs*
[03:58] <neozen> reinstall
[03:58] <neozen> LOL
[03:58] <neozen> no
[03:59] <neozen> I'd never do that
[03:59] <cellofellow> X is just a bear anyways
[03:59] <neozen> good thing linux doesn't use it anymore
[03:59] <neozen> ::grins::
[03:59] <neozen> all hail Xorg
[03:59] <neozen> but yes
[03:59] <neozen> it is indeed
[03:59] <cellofellow> I just installed E16 (though I wanted E17) and it's weird.
[04:00] <neozen> e16?
[04:00] <cellofellow> Enlightenment
[04:00] <neozen> aaah
[04:00] <cellofellow> 0.16
[04:00] <neozen> ...I just use whatever came w/ xubuntu dapper
[04:00] <neozen> ....a few themes
[04:00] <neozen> ..firefox
[04:00] <neozen> ...azureus
[04:01] <neozen> and gaim
[04:01] <cellofellow> Swiftfox, Gmail, OpenOffice (can't stand Abiword really). Gajim
[04:01] <neozen> lol
[04:01] <neozen> I don't write papers
[04:01] <neozen> ...yay for being in my senior year
[04:01] <neozen> ....there isn't a c++ prof alive that doesn't accept txt
[04:02] <cellofellow> I need to write more. I like Google Docs, 'specially when I need to work with other people.
[04:02] <neozen> I take it google has created a collaboration editor?
[04:02] <neozen> ...finally
[04:02] <neozen> I've been waiting for that
[04:03] <cellofellow> Google Docs has been around forever. It's a web-based "word processor" that has nice collab features. Used to be called Writely, I've used it since b4 Google bought it.
[04:03] <cellofellow> forever, nah, a yeah total, as writely too, yah.
[04:03] <neozen> ..nice
[04:04] <cellofellow> !e17
[04:04] <ubotu> Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work. E17 is the current development version.
[04:04] <neozen> ok
[04:04] <cellofellow> !info enlightenment
[04:04] <ubotu> enlightenment: The Enlightenment Window Manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:<IP_ADDRESS>-3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 380 kB, installed size 980 kB
[04:04] <neozen> I've just stuck w/ xfce
[04:05] <cellofellow> I'me figuring stuff out myself
[04:05] <neozen> its been good to me
[04:05] <neozen> I've customized it of course
[04:05] <cellofellow> I started with KDE, so I'm branching out
[04:05] <neozen> aaaah
[04:05] <neozen> I started w/ xfce
[04:05] <neozen> ..and been very satisfied
[04:05] <cellofellow> nice :)
[04:05] <kristjans> i started with kde
[04:05] <kristjans> then i tried gnome
[04:05] <kristjans> and then i had forgotten everything about kde
[04:06] <kristjans> so i tried kde again
[04:06] <kristjans> and then i tried gnome again
[04:06] <kristjans> and then i tried xfce
[04:06] <kristjans> and then i tried to find a better text editor than mousepad ;)
[04:06] <cellofellow> My first exposure to XFCE was PHAK, though I didn't know it was XFCE. It was XFCE3 or so. I thought it was weird, PHLAK's artwork didn't help. I gave the borrowed CD back.
[04:06] <cellofellow> kristjans: SciTE :) Vim.
[04:07] <neozen> ...?
[04:07] <kristjans> not again... :D
[04:07] <neozen> LOL]
[04:07] <kristjans> I think I like gPHPEdit
[04:07] <neozen> ...ok then
[04:07] <neozen> use that
[04:08] <cellofellow> PHLAK == Professional Hackers Linux Assault Kit. XFCE-based LiveCD with security software and artwork focused on AK-47 weilding Tuxes.
[04:08] <neozen> O.o beta
[04:08] <neozen> can you say splat?
[04:08] <cellofellow> splat?
[04:08] <kristjans> my classmate would be interested in that
[04:08] <neozen> though... honestly... all xfce stuff is beta
[04:08] <neozen> ..so it can't be that bad
[04:09] <neozen> LOL @ cello
[04:09] <cellofellow> actually, I so want a copy of PHLAK now. That was an old copy and I really need a good live distro.
[04:09] <neozen> define good
[04:09] <neozen> one of my friends swears by puppy
[04:09] <cellofellow> dunno. My knoppix CD died and DSL only does so much.
[04:10] <cellofellow> and I can't find my Puppy CD. Ubuntu CD's don't really count as live, they're sort of slow and small for Live distros.
[04:10] <neozen> yeah
[04:10] <neozen> well... there's a million livecds
[04:10] <neozen> distrowatch
[04:11] <cellofellow> I know. I downloaded PHLAK but then didn't have any CD's to burn. I do have the priveledge of using my dads laptop to burn things, but I need CD's. I resort to network installs and ShipIt for installing linux.
[04:14] <cellofellow> or, lets see how out-of-place I can make firefox look. :) I've been using Tango but it's bland.
[04:18] <cellofellow> hehe, I found a nice theme that's not out of place. :)
[04:25] <kristjans> hmm
[04:25] <kristjans> gphpedit or geany
[04:31] <cellofellow> DrPython is nice too, based on SciTE.
[05:04] <tripppy> when changing keyboard shortcuts keys, i can't set Super_L to Alt+Esc, it comes up as Super+Super_L, what am i doing wrong?
[05:21] <RememberPOL> Is it possible to change display depth without restarting X?
[05:23] <tripppy> the resoultuion?
[05:24] <j1mc> what is "display depth" anyway?  i think it's the one where you get the choice between 8, 12, and 24, but i don't know what the change makes.
[05:24] <j1mc> or what the difference is.  i always pick 24
[05:24] <tripppy> RememberPOL, Ctrl+Alt++
[05:42] <PuMpErNiCkLe> j1mc: That would be color depth - the number of bits per pixel for color accuracy.
[05:42] <j1mc> thanks, PuMpErNiCkLe
[05:42] <PuMpErNiCkLe> np
[05:43] <BFTD> pumpernickle muffins
[05:43] <PuMpErNiCkLe> mmm... muffins
[05:43] <knight> hi all
[05:43] <j1mc> hi knight
[05:43] <knight> has anybody install ltsp on xubuntu
[05:43] <BFTD> hi
[05:44] <j1mc> not me . . . :(
[05:53] <knight> oh ok
[05:53] <knight> there is a known issue where
[05:53] <knight> xubuntu ltsp server is intsalled
[05:54] <knight> the thin clients can turn off the server
[05:57] <j1mc> . . . that's no good.  :(
[06:01] <knight> yup
[06:02] <knight> it defeats the purpose of running xubuntu as a ltsp server
[06:02] <cellofellow> I have openoffice.org-help-en-us installed, but OOo's help isn't working.
[06:02] <cellofellow> what to do?
[06:04] <knight> come here and ask the question
[06:04] <cellofellow> come where?
[06:04] <knight> this IRC channel
[06:04] <knight> lol
[06:05] <knight> you installed this under xbuntu
[06:05] <cellofellow> How do I get the Help working in OpenOffice? The package it says it needs, openoffice.org-help-en-us, is installed but the help isn't working.
[06:05] <cellofellow> Yes
[06:05] <cellofellow> Abiword just doesn't cut it, sorry.
[06:06] <kristjan_> why do I get  "dpatch status /home/kristjan/varia/kiso.debdiff" gives me "/home/kristjan/varia/kiso.debdiff does not exist."
[06:07] <kristjan_> what is the right way to apply debdiff then?
[06:09] <crimsun> patch(1)
[06:10] <kristjan_> sudo patch /home/kristjan/varia/kiso.debdiff jangs
[06:10] <kristjan_> *hangs
[06:15] <psykidellic> hi...anybody interested in helping me detect my ethernet card?
[06:17] <tripppy> psykidellic, if you cant find it. turn off PC. change the PCI slot its sitting in. and try again
[06:17] <psykidellic> trippy i can find it
[06:18] <psykidellic> the problem is that Xubuntu 6.01 nor 6.1 can detect it
[06:18] <psykidellic> its a 3com that uses a generic 3c59x driver
[06:18] <psykidellic> so i boot up with E live 0.4 live CD
[06:18] <psykidellic> and it detects it correctly..i can browse the net, connect to local network etc.
[06:18] <psykidellic> so i was wondering why Ubuntu is not detecting....
[06:18] <psykidellic> i did modprobe without any result
[06:19] <psykidellic> so anything that i can take from elive system and put it in xubuntu?
[06:19] <psykidellic> trippy, i have tried changing the slot too but with same result
[06:19] <tripppy> mmm. ok. no idea. usually i found the irq setting to stuff me around.
[06:20] <tripppy> sorry im not a pro at this stuff.
[06:20] <psykidellic> no problem...i can get the irq setting in elive...how can i set them in Xubuntu?any idea?
[06:20] <tripppy> if its ubuntu your having problems with try #ubuntu
[06:21] <psykidellic> i tried there...nobody replied :(
[06:22] <tripppy> you have to wait. i sometimes wait for hours
[06:22] <tripppy> or try again another time
[06:22] <tripppy> good luck
[06:22] <psykidellic> okie
[06:32] <cellofellow> psykidellic: oh, yeah. there's also always the forums or mailing lists.
[06:37] <psykidellic> cellofellow, yeah. I will try that too.
[06:56] <icicled> how do i disable the sound that comes up when gdm starts in xubuntu?
[07:07] <icicled> apparently you can configure that via gdmsetup
[07:07] <icicled> go figure
[08:10] <TexasMan915> hello
[08:10] <TexasMan915> can someone tell me what is the password to log in as a root
[08:11] <TexasMan915> so how to install flash on my xubuntu
[08:19] <kristjans> TexasMan915: Do you mean Flash Player in Mozilla Firefox?
[08:47] <distrovader> hey new to linux does anyone know how to connect to dail up with 6.10
[08:49] <distrovader> hello?
[09:18] <dejx> http://rafb.net/p/A4Puhu72.html , i tried with -f and i got the same error, what can i do, i did apt-get update,its fresh install
[09:29] <dejx> okaj
[09:29] <dejx> another thing
[09:30] <dejx> vi + ins,del,home,end,pgup,pgdn keys are acting weird in xubuntu
[09:30] <dejx> what to do?
[09:35] <dejx> anyone?
[12:12] <reckrhodes> what are the minimum hardware requirements for me to install the xubuntu? please help me.
[12:45] <solotim> refer to xubuntu.org please
[01:34] <g1gaman> can i run ubuntu installer from cd, if i boot with cdrom support from windows98 start-up floppy? there is no possibility to make cdrom as a boot device in bios :(
[01:34] <g1gaman> hello, gentlemen, btw
[01:36] <moe_evil> g1gaman: you can make a linux boot flopy from de xubuntu cdrom
[01:36] <moe_evil> take a look at [CDROM] /install/README.smb
[01:36] <g1gaman> moe_evil: can you show me how to?
[01:37] <g1gaman> ah oh
[01:37] <g1gaman> ok
[01:37] <g1gaman> moe_evil: tnx
[01:37] <moe_evil> .sbm , sorry
[01:37] <g1gaman> moe_evil: have you ever done that?
[01:37] <moe_evil> nops
[01:38] <moe_evil> well, some years ago :)
[01:38] <g1gaman> moe_evil: are you sure it'll work fine?
[01:38] <moe_evil> no idea
[01:38] <moe_evil> I'm reading the doc
[01:39] <moe_evil> it doesn't explain well howto to create the floppy :/
[01:39] <moe_evil> maybe in the ubuntu wiki?
[01:40] <g1gaman> moe_evil: no, it doesnt :(
[01:40] <moe_evil> I find some info in the forums:
[01:40] <moe_evil> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-190920.html
[01:41] <moe_evil> and in spanish: http://fabianf.wordpress.com/2007/01/29/tutorial-como-instalar-gnulinux-en-esos-pcs-viejos-que-por-la-bios-no-puedes-seleccionar-el-cd-rom/
[01:41] <moe_evil> I will save this one for me :)
[01:43] <moe_evil> I must return to work :)
[01:51] <g1gaman> moe_evil: you know whats is funny? my windows computer doesn't have a floppy drive, but manual obviosly is created for windows users. i'm sorry for disturbing your work
[01:52] <moe_evil> umm, yo don't have a floppy and you bios doesn't boot from CD?
[01:52] <moe_evil> I think that the only solution is to move the harddisk to another computer, install, and get back de HD :(
[01:52] <nicolah> what software do you use to burn cd/dvd in xfce ?
[01:53] <moe_evil> I supose your BIOS/NetCard doesn't support netboot, no?
[01:53] <g1gaman> moe_evil: yes, it does. but i am to lame to manage it :(
[01:53] <g1gaman> too lame
[01:54] <moe_evil> ummm. but you will need another linux box acting has a server
[01:54] <g1gaman> moe_evil: probably it is too difficult for me
[01:54] <moe_evil> in the ubuntu wiki it's explained quite well
[01:55] <g1gaman> moe_evil: well i'll try to digg through manuals
[01:55] <g1gaman> moe_evil: though my english is poor
[01:55] <moe_evil> mine to :)
[01:56] <g1gaman> nicolah: i guess whichever you want
[01:56] <moe_evil> the default tool it's xfburn, I think
[01:56] <moe_evil> but I prefer k3b :)
[01:56] <nicolah> xfburn does not manage dvd yet
[01:57] <nicolah> k3b needs kde libraries, doesn't ?
[01:57] <moe_evil> yes :(
[01:57] <g1gaman> nicolah: so what?
[01:57] <g1gaman> nicolah: use gnomebaker instead
[01:57] <g1gaman> it'll use gnome libraries
[01:58] <nicolah> I'm installing graveman, I'll try gnomebaker too
[01:58] <g1gaman> and gnomebaker is less bloated than graveman or k3b
[01:58] <g1gaman> imho
[01:58] <nicolah> ok
[02:03] <nicolah> I feel ok with graveman
[02:03] <g1gaman> nicolah: well, nice
[02:07] <grazie> i like graveman :). i don't like gnomebaker
[02:09] <tuxcrafter> hello
[02:09] <tuxcrafter> http://route.anwb.nl/ : can some test this site with firefox i got this crash
[02:10] <tuxcrafter> firefox
[02:10] <tuxcrafter> The program 'Gecko' received an X Window System error.
[02:10] <tuxcrafter> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[02:10] <tuxcrafter> The error was 'BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)'.
[02:10] <tuxcrafter>   (Details: serial 112 error_code 8 request_code 145 minor_code 3)
[02:10] <tuxcrafter>   (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;
[02:10] <tuxcrafter>    that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.
[02:10] <tuxcrafter>    To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line
[02:10] <tuxcrafter>    option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
[02:10] <tuxcrafter>    backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)
[02:10] <tuxcrafter> Segmentation fault
[02:10] <grazie> !pastebin | tuxcrafter:
[02:10] <ubotu> tuxcrafter:: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:11] <tuxcrafter> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6701/
[02:12] <tuxcrafter> hello, can someone open this website in firefox and looks if it crashed? http://route.anwb.nl/  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6701/
[02:12] <grazie> tuxcrafter: no problems for me
[02:14] <tuxcrafter> grazie: doe you have flash
[02:14] <grazie> tuxcrafter: yes
[02:14] <tuxcrafter> with sudo firefox its loads oke! but in normal user it crashed
[02:16] <grazie> tuxcrafter: not on xubuntu right now, but how did you install flash?
[02:17] <tuxcrafter> grazie: the problem is the flash plugin from adobe i removed the lib out of my plugin directory and now it is working oke
[02:17] <tuxcrafter> i will see if there is a new flash plugin avalable
[02:17] <grazie> great
[02:17] <tuxcrafter> libflashplayer.so
[02:19] <t0taln00b> hey
[02:19] <t0taln00b> :)
[02:21] <tuxcrafter> grazie: installed new flash plugin now problem solved, but it was a really bad bug :-D
[02:21] <tuxcrafter> segmention fault :-P
[02:23] <grazie> tuxcrafter: I'm just a user too :)
[02:24] <tuxcrafter> grazie: sorry  :-P i am developer :-P
[02:29] <blizz> i installed the phpmyadmin package.. is there any reason for the CSS to be fubared because of using lighttpd instead of apache?
[02:44] <grazie> blizz: css is processed by client not server
[02:47] <blizz> i know
[02:47] <blizz> but maybe the aliases are broken or something
[02:54] <grazie> blizz: well, a webserver that can't serve css files is about as useful as a chocolate teapot...maybe the config isn't quite right
[02:58] <blizz> well.. i thought that i maybe had to set that pmaAbsoluteUri setting, no idea.. maybe someone had similar problems with lighty and phpmyadmin..
[04:03] <dejx> hello
[04:03] <dejx> in network-admin i can see my pcmcia wlan card
[04:03] <dejx> and i get 2 ifaces, ath0 and wifi0, tx and rx are counted on wifi0
[04:04] <dejx> but how can i connect to wpa network via network-admin ?
[04:05] <dejx> guys
[04:05] <dejx> ?
[04:07] <grazie> dejx: sorry...I've never done wifi
[04:08] <dejx> i read some manuals and nothing
[04:08] <dejx> dunno what i'm doing wrong
[04:28] <bxnp> hi people i am on a system with kubuntu dapper installed, but i want to change to xubuntu, what is the bestway to do that, so i have a nice and good working xubuntu system
[04:42] <grazie> bxnp: you can xubuntu install xubuntu-desktop to get xfce + packages...but you will not get the best performance with kde still installed
[04:42] <bxnp> what do you mean
[04:43] <bxnp> when i reboot and login with xfce
[04:43] <bxnp> it does not load my kde packages right
[04:43] <bxnp> for me the memory footprint is important grazie
[04:44] <bxnp> anyway i guess it uses less ram then kde grazie
[04:44] <grazie> no. keeping kde will mean the that xfce will not perform as its best...everything should still work fine
[04:46] <bxnp> btw is there a tool like knetworkmanager for xfce
[04:47] <bxnp> or should i configure my wifi network by hand
[04:50] <grazie> bxnp: there is a network manager tool
[04:50] <bxnp> wich does wpa for the wifi
[04:51] <grazie> i don't do wifi
[04:52] <Jeffie2k7> does anyone have a good guide for setting up lamp on xubuntu? i would use server version but i'm setting up P2 450 lol
[04:55] <bxnp> oke i have to reboot
[04:55] <bxnp> i mean relogin
[05:02] <Ramla> Jeffie2k7: remember that the server install is the same base that all (x/k)ubuntu are based on, so an ubuntu lamp guide would do too.
[05:04] <Ramla> Jeffie2k7: actually, what do you mean you WOULD use server version
[05:39] <Jeffie2k7> sorry was afk - i meant that i read xubuntu was meant for older machines so i thought it would be a good base to start on
[05:40] <Jeffie2k7> i really just need apache / mysql / php / samba so i might just install and config them each on their own
[05:40] <Jeffie2k7> just hoped there was an easy automated lamp install, even though i already have the l part hehe
[05:41] <Jeffie2k7> just trying to get another test server up and running to do some wackier stuff than i'm currently doing on another newer server running FC6
[05:52] <grazie> Jeffie2k7: (k/x)ubuntu all use the same base. if you're not installing a gui on server it makes no difference
[06:29] <t0taln00b> hi
[09:03] <benjamin_> hey guys.
[09:03] <benjamin_> i had a question, regarding xfce's composite manager.
[09:03] <benjamin_> i would like to use it, but for some reason, i cant find out how, any option or anything about it.
[09:04] <benjamin_> most people seem to be using beryl on top of xfce, and i dont want that.
[09:05] <benjamin_> anyone can help ? (if anyone is around) just gimme a wiki or something... i have been googling around and on the forums, but couldnt find any info ? :O
[09:05] <grazie> benjamin_: let me get you a link
[09:06] <benjamin_> cheers :)
[09:08] <benjamin_> hey btw, after debian+gnome, ubuntu+gnome, freebsd+gnome, i am now on ubuntu+xfce .... and xfce is just so powerfull... even without the composite extension, it just looks soo great !
[09:09] <grazie> benjamin_: sorry about that...couldn't remember where i'd put it
[09:09] <grazie> benjamin_: >> http://www50.brinkster.com/craziegrazie/XubuntuTransparency.html
[09:10] <benjamin_> kk i take a look at that :)
[09:10] <grazie> np
[09:11] <benjamin_> thanks a lot btw :)
[09:39] <Prisoner_> hello there
[09:43] <Prisoner_> finally got Xubuntu installed
[09:43] <beltz> Is it easy to get both Ubuntu and Xubuntu on the same machine, without liveCD, so that I can compare their performance easily?
[09:43] <Prisoner_> you could probably set up a dual boot
[09:43] <beltz> Because I'm trying out Ubuntu but I don't find it responsive enough
[09:44] <beltz> I don't care for special effects, so I don't want it to take 200ms to minimize something. In fact, I want it to minimize windows 500ms BEFORE i click on them.
[09:44] <beltz> well not really, but I like minimal, no special effects os..
[09:45] <Prisoner_> I've tried Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu on a 400mhz, Xubuntu ran the best
[09:46] <beltz> If you were on a really fast computer, would it make a small difference though (due to no effects at all that take time to make stuff happen..)
[09:46] <beltz> Like that little effect on Ubuntu when you minimize a window
[09:48] <Prisoner_> I have Xubuntu dual booted on a 1.583GHZ AMD with 512MB RAM
[09:49] <Prisoner_> I need to know what's a good media player for Xubuntu
[09:50] <Prisoner_> as well as a good DVD/CD writing program
[09:53] <Prisoner_> hello
[09:56] <grazie> Prisoner_: DVD/CD writer graveman is good AND light
[09:56] <Prisoner_> cool
[09:57] <Prisoner_> where I can find it?
[09:57] <grazie> Prisoner_: media players...I like vlc, mplayer, audacious (not in the repos) but xmms is
[09:58] <grazie> Prisoner_: I think they are all in the unverse repo, which ones do you want?
[09:59] <Prisoner_> not sure yet
[09:59] <Prisoner_> I just installed XUbuntu on my main PC and want to get the most out of it
[09:59] <Prisoner_> trying to set up a printer
[10:01] <Prisoner_> I have a file in MP4 format I want to convert to DVD, do any of those programs do that?
[10:05] <Prisoner_> looks like the printer is working
[10:19] <Prisoner_> how can I change the order pages are printed in Xubuntu?
[10:28] <Prisoner_> how do I get my HP Deskjet printer to print in reverse order?
[10:28] <rootvzla> hi people
[10:29] <Prisoner_> think I may have found it
[11:12] <Blais1> lo everyone
[11:15] <yonkeltron> if gdm fails to start on the live cd, where can i look to try and find a problem?
[11:15] <yonkeltron> i want to install.....
[11:18] <Beltz> What are limitations in xubuntu compared to ubuntu?
[11:18] <Beltz> I tried Ubuntu for a day and I dont really know what is missing from my livecd of xubuntu except for effects when I minimize a window (which I hate)
[11:19] <cellofellow> Evolution. Network Manager. OpenOffice.
[11:19] <Beltz> Ok, but those are things I can install myself on Xubuntu, right?
[11:19] <cellofellow> yeah
[11:20] <Beltz> Also, I am used to thunderbird (which is on xubuntu). Is Evolution anything special?
[11:20] <cellofellow> not really
[11:20] <grazie> yonkeltron: did you verify download? what machine you got?
[11:21] <Beltz> Do you know if its easy to turn this pc in a VNC server on xubuntu?
[11:21] <cellofellow> There are plenty of VNC server daemon programs.
[11:21] <cellofellow> If you are connecting over LAN, however, GDM is better.
[11:21] <yonkeltron> grazie: i think i'll just use etch....
[11:22] <yonkeltron> grazie: old gateway
[11:22] <Beltz> Nah its not for LAN
[11:22] <yonkeltron> grazie: seems to hang on squashfs loading...or something or other
[11:22] <cellofellow> I meant XDMCP, which uses GDM as the "server".
[11:24] <yonkeltron> grazie: actually...it got passed that but it is still hanging like a mofo....
[11:24] <yonkeltron> sadly
[11:24] <Beltz> If I have Ubuntu installed already, can I easily install Xubuntu without having to do it from scratch? And with no downsides of running both gnome and xfce or whatever at once?
[11:24] <cellofellow> what vidieo card?
[11:25] <cellofellow> Beltz: no real downsides 'cept some extra used hard drive space. You can install Xubuntu on Ubuntu by apt-geting xubuntu-desktop
[11:26] <Beltz> So both will be on the same partition, and Ill select whether to go with Ubuntu or Xubuntu at startup?
[11:26] <cellofellow> yonkeltron: what video card do have?
[11:26] <cellofellow> Beltz: at login
[11:27] <yonkeltron> cellofellow: some ati-rage thing....
[11:28] <cellofellow> :(
[11:28] <cellofellow> ATI and the LiveCD don't really get along 100% of the time.
[11:28] <yonkeltron> the issue seems to be a problem with fonts
[11:29] <cellofellow> Xorg, ATI, Fonts. All the same subsystem, really tied together.
[11:29] <cellofellow> BRB
[11:30] <grazie> yonkeltron: did you verify your download? how much ram?
[11:30] <yonkeltron> grazie: of course, and 256mb
[11:31] <Blais1> I've got problems with my Xubuntu, and it may well be graphic card related, I have an ATI, is there more information on these problems?
[11:31] <grazie> yonkeltron: dunno...?
[11:33] <cellofellow> yonkeltron: you may be able to install with the Alternate CD and then install the proprietary ATI driver.
[11:36] <yonkeltron> it's fine
[11:36] <yonkeltron> etch will do
[11:42] <Blais1> I've added a new resolution to my xorg.conf, but it doesn't show up in my display settings, how can I get it to show?
[12:05] <syamajala> hi
[12:05] <syamajala> i just downloaded xubuntu for ppc
[12:07] <syamajala> when i boot the cd
[12:07] <syamajala> i get blue screen with a mouse cursor on it
[12:07] <syamajala> and nothing else
[12:10] <grazie> syamajala: did you verify your download?
[12:11] <T`> anyone using raid on their xubuntu installation?
[12:11] <radioaktivstorm> hello...im having an issue with xfce; the font is incredibly small and i cannot seem to change it. can someone offer any suggestions?
[12:12] <syamajala> no
[12:12] <syamajala> i will now
[12:15] <grazie> syamajala: most likely problem. if md5sum is good burn the image slowly
[12:17] <grazie> radioaktivstorm: take a look at this >> http://xubuntuguide.org/tiki-index.php#Small_font_sizes
[12:18] <radioaktivstorm> thanks grazie :)
[12:18] <grazie> np
[12:21] <syamajala> grazie: its fine
[12:21] <syamajala> the md5
[12:22] <syamajala> but i just noticed
[12:22] <syamajala> i keep getting buffer i/o errors on hdc
[12:22] <grazie> syamajala: how did you burn the image?
[12:22] <syamajala> with disk utility
[12:22] <grazie> os x?
[12:23] <syamajala> yeah
[12:23] <grazie> and you selected verify on the burn?
[12:23] <syamajala> yeah
[12:24] <grazie> can you read the disk contents from os x?


[05:56] <redtape|renegade> Great .. another half whited night of coding completed and all I have is the LAS to thank for it.
[06:00] <redtape|renegade> Counting down till pillow time .. commencing .. -90min.. | sod this; it's time for the TDK C90 mix-tape and some cherios .. choco one's of course !
[06:18] <sebsebseb> redtap|away: Cherios orignal ones,  nice :)
[06:20] <redtape|renegade> sebsebseb: How do I mark myself as away .. without it making a reference on the messages ?#
[06:21] <sebsebseb> redtape|renegade: hmm?
[06:22] <redtape|renegade> no worries if you dont understand  .. I'm just trying to get my name in 'italics' on the member list of this channel to say 'I'm away' .. I ask later sometime ..
[06:26] <redtape|renegade> sebsebseb: Dunno where you are UTC-wize  Espagnol perhaps ? [ http://youtu.be/XUN63Mh2FfM ]
[06:29] <sebsebseb> redtape|renegade: nope England
[06:29] <redtape|renegade> Are you good with start-ups ?
[06:30] <sebsebseb> start ups ???
[06:30] <redtape|renegade> What dont you understand /
[06:32]  * redtape|renegade checks his youtube spy-glass for news from the !bul .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=demnc4sQ0VI
[06:33] <dwatkins>  /away
[06:33] <dwatkins> like that, redtap|away
[06:33] <dwatkins> otherwise, it's just nickspam
[06:33] <redtap|away> that's wat i did do ..
[06:34] <redtap|away> chatzilla is not playing with me, today ..
[06:36] <dwatkins> No, you changed your nick ;)
[06:39] <redtap|away> dwatkins: U be Ever persistent ..  Is that so ? Why did it tell me to use the /back command afterwards then ? As in here ... http://bit.ly/11mwJ0x
[06:41] <dwatkins> "You are always here" you mean, redtap|away?
[06:42] <dwatkins> That's a factor of whatever IRC client you're using, redtap|away - perhaps it's mentioned in the documentation, but it probably has a setting to additionally change your nick when you're "away".
[06:42] <dwatkins> ChatZilla 0.9.90 apparently.
[06:42] <redtap|away> I know .. I'm just too tired to find the needle in the hay stack ..
[06:47] <redtap|away> Anyone see the LAS on Sunday ? http://youtu.be/iyiaiF_-A2M?t=2m35s   .. anyway the bigest Ubuntu users in the geek media have switched .. ouch.
[06:47] <redtap|away> Whhopsie
[06:49] <dwatkins> I have XBMC on a Raspberry Pi, so anything's possible.
[06:49] <redtape|renegade> Yeah, I lol'd at that too.
[06:50] <dwatkins> "the bigest Ubuntu users in the geek media have switched" - do you have a text link for this? I don't hear a mention of it in this video yet
[06:50] <redtape|renegade> i think it's 40 mins in .. onward ..
[06:50]  * dwatkins closes the tab on the mention that they're sponsored by godaddy
[06:57] <redtape|renegade> dwatkins: That kinda stuff is ingrained in them .. they're Yankeedoodle's anyway . there is a better playlist info somewhere (if I could find it .. try here .. http://bit.ly/18QDfBX ) |  .. but the info starts at 45mins .. and I like it ..
[06:58] <redtape|renegade> Prob,ly get a kicking for saying that thou.
[07:00] <dwatkins> They're americans who draw things?
[07:01] <redtape|renegade> "draw things" .. no just Yanks
[07:01] <MooDoo> morning
[07:01] <dwatkins> allo MooDoo
[07:05] <redtape|renegade> Dunno if you saw that video at [07:32 am] but the PM is back today .. so It looks like it's going to tear gas at dawn .. again .
[07:05] <MooDoo> ?
[07:06] <dwatkins> Whowhat?
[07:07] <redtape|renegade> OT | <-- seriusly lacking that part of my vocab recentlty ( not this PM .. in Turkey)
[07:07] <MooDoo> oh right.
[07:07] <dwatkins> OT? PM? Off topic? Prime Minister?
[07:09] <redtape|renegade> I've seen worse .. two pizza were used as frizvbie's on my patio at 5am this morning .. the TT is going as per usual.
[07:09] <redtape|renegade> **pizzas
[07:10] <MooDoo> TT o/
[07:12] <redtape|renegade> OT | .. it was going well till next doors dog thought the red-arrows were going to crash through the front gate ..
[07:20]  * redtape|renegade makes a note to the Bk.manager about getting a spanking new Harley .. http://bit.ly/11mzgI3  | MooDoo You a biker ?
[07:24] <MooDoo> redtape|renegade: yes sir :)
[07:24] <MooDoo> Bandit 600   wheelie machine ;)
[07:25] <redtape|renegade> right 0k then .. I usu. just ride pillion .. but enjoyable ..
[07:34] <diplo> Morning all
[07:35] <MooDoo> morning dip
[07:35] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[07:36] <diplo> heh, morning mate. Did I notice from your G+ posts you're a Fedora user now ?
[07:39] <MooDoo> diplo: only in a virtual machine, I'm predominately a LTS user
[07:40] <MooDoo> diplo: although I do use Fedora a bit for mentoring ambassadors.
[07:40] <diplo> :)
[07:42] <redtape|renegade> OT | Has anyone ever tried NikWax ?? http://www.nikwax.com/en-gb/webquiz/index.php [I'm not advertising, just wanna know if it works]
[07:51] <christel> morning
[07:52] <diplo> Morning christel, and redtape|renegade nope never seen it
[07:52] <redtape|renegade> ok
[07:53] <redtape|renegade> Morning christel .. time to get cranky with raring again .. sigh.
[07:53] <MooDoo> morning christel
[07:55] <christel> i am cranky today
[07:55] <christel> very very cranky
[07:55] <diplo> ut oh
[07:56]  * diplo backs away
[07:56] <christel> hehe
[07:56] <redtape|renegade> christel: Yoke .. wat ya pedellin' ?
[07:57]  * MooDoo gives christel a peck on the cheek, it'll be fine, you're here now ;)
[07:57] <christel> these ddos attacks are just hitting freenode to the point where we're really struggling to ducttape the place together
[07:57] <MooDoo> yay DDoS [we've just had a load too]
[07:57] <christel> we're losing server sponsors left, right and centre (sadly those that have been with us for 10+ years)
[07:57] <diplo> Worked out where they're originating from ?
[07:57]  * redtape|renegade gives christel a 'golf clap' for her efforts ..
[07:58] <christel> and we just lost our main DNS provider as they can't withstand more of the sort of attacks they had yesterday (23Gbps)
[07:58] <MooDoo> ouch
[07:58] <christel> diplo: no, we're being hit by a UDP + SNMP reflection attack targetting tons of our servers from spoofed sources....
[07:59] <redtape|renegade> well .. bill G needs a hobby ..
[08:00] <diplo> :(
[08:01] <redtape|renegade> christel: Can't you just do a re-direct to the Alternative ISO or something ?
[08:01]  * redtape|renegade admits it's beyond his experience ..
[08:02] <diplo> Do Canonical host any servers?
[08:03] <diplo> Wondering with all their new partnerships, they maybe able to host some
[08:06]  * redtape|renegade slaps on ample amounts & splatterings of sticky sun factor 50. http://open.spotify.com/track/4ptSL1o2pRgNvrC4wsN1Pl
[08:06] <christel> they don't no -- i think a lot of companies/organisations are loathe to do so considering the recent attacks mind
[08:07] <christel> the reason our existing sponsors like OSUOSL and several other well-connected universities have had to pull out is because the sustained attacks recently has been of such magnitude that it is costing them too much money
[08:08] <redtape|renegade> Why ?   , How much would you say 23Gb's of damage would cost ?
[08:08] <diplo> That really sucks, can't see why someone would ddos Freenode, understand some other networks being a bit dodgey etc
[08:08] <christel> the hosting companies that have had to pull out have had to do so for purely financial reasons as the domino effect on their paying customers means that they end up paying out for SLA violations, etc.
[08:08] <christel> diplo: i suspect mainly because "they can"
[08:09] <christel> sadly we have grown to become the largest irc network out there (which is great in so far that it must mean that more and more foss-y folk are turning up but meh in the way that it makes us more attractive for those that don't get what we're about and just want to cause problems for people)
[08:10] <christel> redtape|renegade: well, we've had sponsors who have been taken down for a week+ due to persistent attacks
[08:11] <redtape|renegade> christel: I see .. kinda untangible .. but disastorous all the same .. oh poo !
[08:11] <diplo> :/
[08:11] <christel> so i suspect in way of money lost by their paying clients followed by money lost by them followed by any charges they incur due to SLA, etc. violations along with resources by way of manpower spent trying to work on the issues, etc. etc it probably mounts up to a fairly hefty amount for most of them
[08:12] <diplo> What are you doing ( Freenode ) to try and curb it ( if you know ? ) Police etc involved like the spamhaus attack ?
[08:12] <christel> we pass on what we have of logs to law enforcement, but historically that yields nil or very little
[08:13] <christel> we also work with some security type companies like team cymru etc
[08:13] <diplo> sometimes glad we're so small a company that we're overlooked.
[08:14] <diplo> I still feel that all the companies that benefit from Freenode should maybe take up the strain a bit for you guys and all the work you put in
[08:14] <redtape|renegade> christel, This may sound a bit loopy, but why don't you split the network ?
[08:15] <diplo> Hmm ubuntu is on the acknowledgements page
[08:15] <diplo> ah, no direct financial support :)
[08:16] <christel> redtape|renegade: split it how? :)
[08:17]  * redtape|renegade realises that would mean splitting freenode .. and scurries off to the idiot corner to find his hat .. :(
[08:17] <christel> hehe
[08:18] <diplo> If I was still at my last work place I'd offer up a server to host
[08:18] <redtape|renegade> (they did it on the 2600 network )
[08:18] <diplo> Suppose I could still take over a box there :D
[08:19] <christel> the saddest thing is that "freenode" doesn't suffer perse -- some individual volunteers do by way of having to invest more time trying to keep the network up (and thus falling behind in their jobs, etc.) -- but bar that we don't really suffer much from the attacks
[08:19] <diplo> Think I may get shouted at here sustaining a 2-3mb link :)
[08:20] <diplo> Do they need more 'volunteers' then ?
[08:20] <christel> it affects the projects that use freenode by causing interruption and it affects our sponsors (financially and by causing disruption to their networks)
[08:21] <christel> yeah, we always need volunteers -- manpower-wise we're lagging way behind (people keep doing weird stuff like having babies and getting married) and the network has been growing by around 10K users per year since 2006, the volunteer base does unfortunately not grow in a way corresponding to user growth so we sort of all end up a bit thinly spread :)
[08:22] <diplo> Well I sit on here all day at work, and don't do a huge amount in the evenings.. especially when I have sproglets so I suppose I ought to do something :)
[08:22] <MooDoo> christel: so what kind of people do you need ps i'm married and have 2 children already ;)
[08:23] <diplo> heh MooDoo, responsible people who spend hours on IRC :D
[08:23] <MooDoo> I'm at work now, and luckly I can ssh into my server at home and IRC
[08:23] <diplo> Moi aussi :)
[08:24] <christel> hehe /11
[08:25] <christel> we need i dunno, people who don't get freaked out/angry too easily (because you will face a lot of stupidity), someone who can adapt well to being part of a fairly small team (with a bizarre, twisted sense of humour) and who are able to step back and take a break before they suffer burnout :)
[08:25] <redtape|renegade> you should all think yourselves lucky .. least you had a good night's sleep ...
[08:26] <MooDoo> christel: doesn't sound to hard, especially as I deal with that kind of thing all the time lol
[08:26] <diplo> redtape|renegade: I sleep about 4 hours a night, been a while since a good nights sleep :)_
[08:27] <diplo> Same here, I used to cover a few channels on Quakenet, then I had kids :)
[08:27] <redtape|renegade> diplo , Veno's helps, but i ran out :\
[08:27] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:27] <diplo> Don't drink anymore either ( well maybe an odd pint )
[08:27] <diplo> Morning brobostigon
[08:28] <christel> diplo: it might drive you to drink mind...
[08:28]  * dwatkins wonders if the "authorities" might even be behind the DDoS attacks, to try and take down IRC as a possible means of communication with botnets
[08:28] <brobostigon> morning diplo
[08:28] <MooDoo> christel: I think you're getting hints from a number of potential volunteers here :d
[08:29]  * redtape|renegade peeks from under his dope hat   ::::: Volunteers !!?!
[08:31] <redtape|renegade> leaves.
[08:33] <christel> aw!
[08:33]  * christel might very well take you up on your offer
[08:34] <christel> (see your pm/status window)
[08:36] <christel> MooDoo: you too!
[08:39] <brobostigon> mornings christel
[08:39] <christel> hullu brobostigon :D
[08:39] <brobostigon> :)
[08:40] <DJones> christel: I think you'd probably get quite a few volunteers from a lot of IRC regulars, specially the ones who've stuck around for a number of years if you ever put a call out for volunteers, sadly, I think you'd also be deluged by the many trollish applicants as well
[08:41] <MooDoo> identified, sorry about that
[08:41] <MooDoo> ooops
[08:41] <christel> DJones: yeah, historically we find that when we do an "official" call for volunteers we'll get a few hundred "applications" -- narrow it down and after a short initial phase we sort of end up with maybe 1/3rd of the ones we selected
[08:42] <christel> in the olden days when the network was smaller we had more luck in the way of recruiting at ease because we had more of a chance to get to know users/projects and were in a better position to gauge suitability so that we could simply approach people -- these days there are so many users and so much noise that we tend to remember the "problem users" rather than the "decent users" :)
[08:44] <brobostigon> ah,
[08:44] <christel> mind, we've had most success when picking people we knew from projects rather than doing the whole "please apply here" thing
[08:45] <DJones> christel: I'd agree with that from my own experience with the Ubuntu community, you recognise the good helpers because you see them almost every day giving good advice & support, trolls stick in your mind even if they only troll once or twice a month because they get noticed and have to be discussed & dealt with, everybody else gets to be a bit of a blur
[08:45] <brobostigon> makes sense really, as you will know those people better, than unknown fremde applicants.
[08:46] <christel> tho it means that we go through phases, once upon a time staff were full of debianites... then they created oftc... then in my gentoo dev days we were full of gentoo folk.. these days we seem to like ubuntu people!
[08:46] <Laney> wibble
[08:46] <christel> (my thinking is that ubuntu folk has already signed the CoC and therefore agree to be nice-ish!)
[08:46] <christel> ;)
[08:46] <brobostigon> wobble
[08:46] <christel> DJones: yeah, very much so :)
[08:55] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Yo-yo Day! :-D
[08:55] <brobostigon> morning JamesTait
[08:55] <JamesTait> brobostigon, o/
[08:56] <brobostigon> :)
[08:57] <christel> JamesTait :D
[09:00] <czajkowski> kg
[09:00] <Laney> lb
[09:03] <dwatkins> well I guess I'll have to wait until I get home to find out why my server didn't reboot into Pangolin
[09:09] <diplo> dwatkins: Failed the update in the end then ? :(
[09:09] <MooDoo> diplo: yay
[09:09] <MooDoo> diplo: figured out ssl
[09:10] <diplo> I haven't retried yet, failed on the verify for me :)
[09:10] <diplo> Will do shortly
[09:14] <MooDoo> diplo: wow it's all so confusin ;)
[09:14] <diplo> heh yep
[09:15] <dwatkins> diplo: it might be sat at some "press a key to continue" message I can't access
[09:15] <diplo> bah :/
[09:15] <Myrtti> I can't help  much but you can always poke me
[09:16]  * MooDoo hugs Myrtti :)
[09:16] <Myrtti> which part are ...
[09:16] <Myrtti> you failing in
[09:17] <diplo> OK connected over ssl now :)
[09:18] <diplo> Going to have to read up on more stuff with Irssi now though
[09:20] <MooDoo> diplo: you and me both lol
[09:21] <diplo> Used to the Quakenet days with using mIRC and NoScript to do all the commands for me
[09:23] <DJones> diplo: Is there much benefit to connecting via ssl
[09:24] <MooDoo> DJones: yes if you're in certain channels
[09:25] <DJones> Right
[09:28] <diplo> christel / Myrtti : Want to do the honors again when you get a chance ?
[09:28] <christel> you can just join :)
[09:29]  * Laney remembers nnscript
[09:29] <Laney> and writing bots in mIRCscript
[09:29] <Myrtti> DJones: ssl itself just gives a tiny bit more peace of mind, I personally value SASL more on utilitarian grounds
[09:29] <MooDoo> diplo: you've had a flag set, apparently we've both been violated when we logged out :)
[09:29] <Laney> good days
[09:29] <diplo> christel: Says I must be invited ?
[09:30] <christel> you need to identify to nickserv first
[09:30] <diplo> hmm, auto does that.. ok I'll do it manually
[09:31] <Myrtti> diplo: sasl
[09:31] <Myrtti> diplo: http://freenode.net/sasl/
[09:31] <DJones> I might have a look at that tomorrow, if all goes to plan, thats my job for the day, setting up a replacement server, possibly configure that once I get a clean install of Ubuntu/irssi etc
[09:32] <diplo> Reading up on that now Myrtti thanks
[09:32] <Myrtti> tmux irssi irssi-scripts libcrypt-blowfish-perl libcrypt-dh-perl libcrypt-openssl-bignum-perl libdbi-perl sqlite3 libdbd-sqlite3-perl
[09:36] <Myrtti> irssi scriptwise: autowhois, splitlong, anames, bansearch, cap_sasl, format_identify, trackbar, stalker, ignore_log, tmux_away and if you've got an Android phone, irssinotifier
[09:38] <diplo> Quite a few I don't have there, will grab shortly
[09:43] <christel> don't get stalker, it is frowned upon -- i am forever telling staff off for using it! ;)
[09:44] <Laney> why?
[09:44] <christel> because i find it to be incredibly intrusive towards users to use the sort of scripts that for all intents and purposes allows us to track them and make assumptions based on previous hostname matches
[09:45] <christel> it sort of doesnt sit well with our whole catalytic approach to being nice and transparent and all that jazz
[09:46] <diplo> OK :)
[09:47] <Myrtti> EEEP A WASP
[09:47] <Laney> interesting
[09:48] <Myrtti> while we're at it, does anyone else fancy a cloak?
[09:48] <christel> or becoming staff? myrtti looks like she's ready to start mentoring some people i reckon...
[09:49] <DJones> christel: I'll put my name forward to help out, always glad to help
[09:50]  * Laney has a cool cloak
[09:50] <Laney> although I think the donor part should have expired by now
[09:51] <Myrtti> christel: mmm
[09:51] <Laney> oh that's interesting, pdpc went away
[10:15] <davmor2> morning all
[10:18] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 :)
[10:20] <davmor2> morning mucka ow am ya
[10:25] <Seeker`> Myrtti: what sort of cloaks can you do?
[10:26] <davmor2> Seeker`: there are no invisibility cloaks calm back down ;)
[10:26] <Myrtti> Seeker`: unaffiliated unless I hear from a person who has the rights to ask for others
[10:26] <Seeker`> ah, already got one of those
[10:27] <Myrtti> technically I can do all the cloaks but I think AlanBell might protest if I give everyone a Ubuntu member cloak
[10:27] <Myrtti> or cz<tab>
[10:27] <Myrtti> or others
[10:27]  * Myrtti waves her hand around
[10:27] <Myrtti> them Ubuntu people
[10:27] <Seeker`> crazy peoples
[10:29] <davmor2> Myrtti: I'm an Ubuntu Member can I get that cloak :)  /me never bothered in the past :D
[10:30] <Myrtti> ask AlanBell
[10:30] <Myrtti> he'll then ask me.
[10:30] <Myrtti> also, you need to be identified to your account
[10:30] <Myrtti> it won't work without
[10:31] <davmor2> Myrtti: I thought I was
[10:31] <Myrtti> nope
[10:32] <davmor2> Myrtti: oh is there a doc for doing that somewhere please
[10:32] <MooDoo> omg they are mad, mad i tell you
[10:33] <Myrtti> doing what, identifying? http://freenode.net/sasl/ might give you some pointers ;-)
[10:34] <Myrtti> mind you, there was some disturbance in the force so you not being identified might be due to that
[10:38] <czajkowski> Myrtti: :)
[10:38] <diplo> yeah I've had issues with it not identifying twice this morning
[10:39]  * bigcalm shakes fist at VirginMedia and then goes back to work
[10:39] <AlanBell> Myrtti: yup, davmor2 can have a cloak
[10:40] <Myrtti> he could if I could verify he really is him :-P
[10:40] <Myrtti> ie. please identify :-)
[10:40] <davmor2> AlanBell: ta I was just looking into the verifying bit first before asking you :)
[10:41] <bigcalm> I've never trusted davmor2 to be who he thinks he is
[10:41] <AlanBell> he might be impersonating himself
[10:42] <Myrtti> indeed
[10:48] <davmor2> Myrtti: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Cloaks that mentions none of the sasl stuff does it need updating?
[10:51] <Myrtti> sasl is recommended by freenode, thus it's not mentioned on the Ubuntu wiki
[10:52] <AlanBell> you are not using tor or anything davmor2
[10:53] <davmor2> Myrtti: the ubuntu wiki points to the setup on the freenode page
[10:53] <AlanBell> !register | davmor2
[10:53] <davmor2> AlanBell: nope irssi on my home server with proxy and then xchat on my local box
[10:53] <AlanBell> so basically do that then /msg nickserv identify <password>
[10:54] <AlanBell> sasl stuff is good, but you don't need to do that to just log in
[10:55] <AlanBell> sasl lets you pre-login before joining channels
[10:55] <davmor2> AlanBell: so yes my nick is registered ie I need a password to use it :)
[10:55] <AlanBell> well you haven't used that password to log in to nickserv
[10:56] <AlanBell> it is /msg nickserv identify davmor2 password
[10:59] <mgdm> it's possible that when nickserv went away yesterday it unidentified you then
[11:01] <davmor2> AlanBell: ah it might be I'll run through all the steps and get back to you
[11:01] <AlanBell> davmor2: only one step!
[11:02] <AlanBell> the account exists, just /msg nickserv identify davmor2 password
[11:02]  * bigcalm really hopes the password is password
[11:02] <jussi01> bigcalm: :D
[11:06] <davmor2> AlanBell: You are now identified for davmor2.
[11:06] <AlanBell> so you are \o/
[11:06] <AlanBell> Myrtti can now wrap a nice warm cloak round you
[11:07] <MooDoo> yay for cloaks
[11:07] <Myrtti> yay
[11:07] <davmor2> AlanBell: now I'm wondering if I am missing a step from my irssi setup when I was just using xchat it was linked.
[11:07] <AlanBell> ooh what a nice cloak
[11:07] <Myrtti> well I still strongly recommend that you set up sasl
[11:07] <christel> i am way too juvenile today, i saw "member" in davmor2's cloak and broke down into fits of giggles :(
[11:07] <Myrtti> because then the cloak is applied before you join channels
[11:07] <christel> i blame Myrtti
[11:07] <Laney> I thought if you gave your nickserv password as server password it authed you
[11:08] <Laney> maybe that's some other network
[11:08] <MooDoo> christel: thought you were behaving in here ;)
[11:08] <christel> MooDoo: i was TRYING AND THEN SHE GOES AND DOES THAT
[11:08] <MooDoo> christel: RESIST!
[11:09] <Myrtti> children
[11:09] <mgdm> christel: presumably if davmor2 is an ubuntu 'member' he has accepted the CoC
[11:09] <Myrtti> tsk
[11:09] <AlanBell> 2006 called and asked for it's joke back
[11:09] <mgdm> AlanBell: DID YOU WARN THEM ABOUT THE TSUNAMI?
[11:09] <davmor2> mgdm: I'm an ubuntu member and work for canonical, if the one wasn't voluntary the second is compulsory ;)
[11:10] <mgdm> hehe
[11:10] <AlanBell> mgdm: ooh, I forgot
[11:10] <mgdm> :(
[11:11] <christel> mgdm: teehee
[11:12] <Laney> I remember how magical it was when I first accepted the CoC. I wept.
[11:13] <christel> that is beautiful :)
[11:13] <AlanBell> I just got cross about PGP keys
[11:13] <Laney> (Actually I don't remember doing it at all)
[11:14] <Laney> (did I even sign it?)
[11:14] <Laney> apparently so
[11:27] <MooDoo> JamesTait: get it working?
[11:27] <JamesTait> MooDoo, well, I'm connected, and it says it's using the right port. :)
[11:28] <JamesTait> So, yay?
[11:28] <MooDoo> do a /whois username and it'll tell you
[11:29] <MooDoo> or i thought it did
[11:29] <MooDoo> yes it does
[11:29] <JamesTait> MooDoo, yeah, I missed the line that says "is using a secure connection"
[11:30] <MooDoo> :)
[13:17] <MooDoo> join #freenode-bootcamp
[13:17] <MooDoo> ooops
[13:17]  * diplo always does joins in the status window :D
[13:17]  * MooDoo should too
[13:55] <MooDoo> everyone leaving and going lol
[14:01] <awilkins> The weather is too nice
[14:02] <dwatkins> I am suffering from network issues, sorry.
[14:02] <awilkins> That's a good one, I must use that
[14:03]  * awilkins is suffering from network issues. The network cable doesn't reach out to the quiet bench next to the canal weir where he intends to relax.
[14:07] <dwatkins> oh I have that issue all the time
[14:07] <dwatkins> I could probably use a combination of my phone and the VPN software, mkind
[14:07] <dwatkins> *mind - it might make it take a bit longer to download ISO images, though
[14:31] <giganigga> hey fellers
[14:31] <giganigga> is this UK?
[14:31] <MooDoo> yup
[14:31] <SuperMatt> yuppers
[14:31] <giganigga> are you from Stoke on trent?
[14:31] <MooDoo> nope
[14:31] <giganigga> why not
[14:32] <giganigga> nigs
[14:33] <MooDoo> huh?
[14:33] <giganigga> share the experience with me
[14:35] <giganigga> i want to be ubuntu abuser when i grow up!
[14:36] <giganigga> yo
[14:38] <giganigga> waddup
[14:38] <giganigga> hm
[14:38] <MooDoo> AlanBell: thanks for that :D
[14:41] <DJones> Hmmh, they were early today, normally happens around 6pm for that spam
[14:46] <davmor2> MooDoo: why do you keep bringing these abusers to the channel ;)
[14:47] <MooDoo> sorry, thought i'd liven up the place
[14:50] <dwatkins> "when I grow up"... which will presumably be quite a while
[15:03] <diplo> /dev/sda6       106G  101G  8.0K 100% /
[15:03] <diplo> Wondering why my sql query wasn't working :D
[15:03] <mgdm> oh dear
[15:03] <mgdm> if that's MySQL you might have entertaining table corruption...
[15:04] <diplo> it's only my dev PC thankfully
[15:04] <mgdm> that's not too bad then
[15:04] <diplo> Clearing some space and then see if it's broken anything
[15:07] <diplo> Seems I may have got a bit happy with VM's :)
[15:08] <diplo> 80gb's worth.. they're supposed to be on the other partition.
[15:10] <Laney> bright sun is bright
[15:17] <dwatkins> funny that
[15:17] <dwatkins> in fact, in all seriousness, it's surprisingly bright here, considering how far north I am.
[15:17] <dwatkins> (Edinburgh)
[15:18] <mgdm> it's rather bright in Glasgow too
[16:22] <awilkins> I hate hot weather
[16:22] <awilkins> Inside it's too hot because the company we lease the office from are trying to save money on aircon
[16:22] <awilkins> Outside it's too hot, because it's too hot
[16:23] <awilkins> Also, people are idiots and leave the blinds open even though it's too hot
[16:24] <jelmer> awilkins: are you sure you are in the UK?
[16:24] <awilkins> I'm in the *north* of the UK
[16:24] <mgdm> awilkins: whereabout?
[16:24] <awilkins> Leeds
[16:25] <awilkins> Maybe it's not too hot outside
[16:25] <awilkins> It looks like it from here in the hot office though
[16:25] <mgdm> That's the north of England, not even mildly the north of the UK
[16:25] <awilkins> Stupid glass offices with giant solar collecting windows
[16:26] <awilkins> I'm from Portsmouth
[16:26] <awilkins> Everywhere north of London is the North
[16:26] <mgdm> I'm from Lewis, everthing south of Inverness is south. :-)
[16:26] <awilkins> In the "You know NUFFIN, Jon Snow" sense
[16:27]  * mgdm wonders what the C4 newsreader has to do with anything
[16:28] <awilkins> Common scenes in the North : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeZOzkHEQAw
[16:30] <mgdm> still none the wiser
[16:30] <awilkins> That's what everything North of Birmingham looks like
[16:30]  * Seeker` wonders why anyone would be silly enough to be from that far north :P
[16:30] <awilkins> Although I think the fur parka was a bit overkill today
[16:32] <awilkins> I hate people who come along and say "This feature isn't desired, so take it out."
[16:32] <awilkins> Esp. when they didn't ask for the feature in the first place
[16:32] <awilkins> And it was put in on purpose...
[19:05] <daftykins> what's the best way to change APT mirror? i'm guessing a find and replace on sources.list might not be the best?
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: it works :)
[19:06] <daftykins> hehe
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: there's an option in the menu of software-centre
[19:06] <daftykins> ah this is server
[19:06] <Darael> daftykins: Depends.  With a GUI, the Software Sources tool (wherever that's hiding these days) will do it easily.
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: in that case.. vim :)
[19:06] <Darael> Gah.  Sniped.
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> Darael: internet high fived ;)
[19:07] <Darael> MartijnVdS: vim?  VIM?  sed!
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> Darael: sed? ed!
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> (ed? magnets!)
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> (magnets? quantum fluctiations!)
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> OK, done.
[19:07] <daftykins> yeah i'm not up on my reg exp though
[19:07] <daftykins> sed -i 's/us/<two letter country code here/' ?
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: write Perl for 15 years, you won't ever forget regex again;)
[19:08] <daftykins> lol
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: I'd do 's/us\./your_code.//'
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> just because "music" shouldn't become "mgbic"
[19:08] <Darael> MartijnVdS: One too many /, I think?
[19:08] <daftykins> i'm afraid i don't think i can dedicated 15 years to this one
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> Darael: yes, oops
[19:09] <daftykins> does that do every instance?
[19:09] <Darael> Does the first instance on each line, from memory.
[19:10] <daftykins> ah reet
[19:10] <daftykins> gah - still got this program that does not do what is expected
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> s/foo/bar/g <-- the g does it "all the times" on a line
[19:10] <daftykins> Source engine dedicated server, possibly 32-bit on a 64-bit server
[19:11] <daftykins> so just then i installed 'ia32-libs' on a guides recommendation
[19:11] <daftykins> $ ./steam
[19:11] <daftykins> Checking bootstrapper version ...
[19:11] <daftykins> that's all i get, heh
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: uh, ia32-libs is WAAY too much
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> also, steam kind of requires X
[19:11] <daftykins> really?
[19:12] <daftykins> i've got hldsupdatetool.bin which downloaded the 'steam' script
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> yeah.
[19:12] <Darael> The steam install (especially if it was from the partner repo) should have pulled in all its *:i386 dependencies.  ia32-libs shouldn't be necessary.
[19:12] <daftykins> ah well, that part's done
[19:12] <Darael> Well, at least if steam's from a package.
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> even if not from a package
[19:13] <daftykins> it says if you run just 'steam' it'll spit out a list of its' commands
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> it'll detect Ubuntu and switch to package install
[19:13] <Darael> MartijnVdS: Really?  Huh.  Shiny.
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> Darael: did for me anyway
[19:13] <daftykins> guides online say to do: "./steam -command update -game episode1 -dir ."
[19:13] <daftykins> which just does as above, i.e. pretty much nothing
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> could be for old steam? no idea :(
[19:14] <daftykins> https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Source_Dedicated_Server
[19:14] <daftykins> well this does refer to a 'SteamCMD' but says that's for newer games 0o
[19:14] <Darael> daftykins: Do it with X forwarded and see if that yields any more info?
[19:14] <daftykins> hmm
[19:14] <daftykins> good idea
[19:15] <daftykins> i shall have to boot a Linux host with X to try :D
[19:18] <daftykins> hmm nothing ssh -X'ing in
[19:18] <daftykins> it did complain about a lack of .XAuthority
[19:19] <daftykins> alright i have no idea why that sucker is doing nothing
[19:19] <daftykins> i'm going to call it food o'clock and resume later
[19:43] <StevenR> arrrgh. Why does mdadm keep saying devices are spares?
[19:46] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> \o
[20:00] <daftykins> StevenR: i read that as 'madam'
[20:00] <daftykins> :D
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: "Kill the spare!" </voldemort>
[20:12] <daftykins> ok i tried it on my 13.04 VM
[20:12] <daftykins> it still does exactly the same, no expected output
[20:12] <daftykins> any ideas how to diagnose what it's doing? it's a .bin sadly =/
[20:13] <daftykins> i'm pretty certain it's a CLI only dedicated server binary
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> strace?
[20:15] <daftykins> ooh
[20:16] <daftykins> connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(27030), sin_addr=inet_addr("<IP_ADDRESS>")}, 16
[20:16] <daftykins> it stops there
[20:17] <daftykins> ah it's sitting trying IPs and timing out
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> are you not allowed to connect to those IPs?
[20:18] <daftykins> perhaps that client has been ditched
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> $likely
[20:21] <daftykins> some guy is talking about port forwarding for it online 0o
[20:21] <daftykins> seems ridiculous for a client side thing just updating itself
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: it's p2pish
[20:45] <daftykins> this is not getting anywhere fast :>
[21:05] <ali1234> daftykins: ask Azelphur
[21:06] <daftykins> ah he do some game server stuffs?
[21:06] <daftykins> Azelphur: hello sir o/
[21:07] <ali1234> yeah you should never need ia32-libs any more because multiarch replaces it with individual packages
[21:07] <daftykins> mmm, i tried it for fun since this program wasn't working, strace shows me it's failing to hit IPs though and timing out
[21:07] <daftykins> so i know that for future now
[21:39] <dogmatic69> anyone got recommendations on a laptop running mumbuntu
[21:44] <daftykins> zomg videos of popey presenting
[21:44] <daftykins> with aspect ratio fail :'(
[22:13] <daftykins> http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html
[22:13] <daftykins> well well
[22:14] <daftykins> dogmatic69: even the acer revo popey put together for his mum looks good
[22:14] <daftykins> little atom system
[22:14] <shauno> daftykins: sssh, it's a secret!
[22:14]  * daftykins pipes down
[23:42] <monstercock> hey folks!
[23:45] <monstercock> niggers!
[23:53] <directhex> can we just ban mibbit and gateway/web/freenode?
[23:53] <directhex> they are literally the single biggest drain on oper time in this channel
[23:54] <dogmatic69> directhex: freenode disabled mibbit afaik