[00:01] <energizer> can i run ubuntu server from a usb drive without installing it?
[00:01] <OerHeks> you can run the live server iso, to fix things, yes
[00:02] <rypervenche> energizer: I mean, I suppose you could. Is there a reason you want to? If the machine was ever rebooted you'd lose everything, unless you set things up with persistence, I suppose.
[00:02] <Bashing-om> energizer: While you can, will be sooooo slow :(
[00:03] <energizer> i just need to do one thing, so slow is fine. i tried booting with ubuntu-18.04.1-live-server-amd64.iso but the only ooption i saw was 'install'
[00:04] <OerHeks> use a kvm for a single task
[00:05] <energizer> OerHeks, i'm not familiar with that, is that something i can download on a bootable stick?
[00:06] <OerHeks> or virtualbox
[00:06] <OerHeks> !kvm
[00:07] <AlexMax> what is !ot supposed to do?
[00:08] <kubkde> dsboot
[00:11] <Bashing-om> AlexMax: the !ot is the bot's response to take the conversation to the off-topic channel.
[00:11] <compdoc> I've installed ubuntu to a usb drive, but over time it didnt seem to be reliable. a usb stick doesnt make the best kind of drive
[00:14] <OerHeks> compdoc, i am using the same 2gb for 10 years now, as installer every 2 years
[00:22] <tomreyn> AlexMax: i'm not sure why Sushi-san considered your question (if it was one?) off-topic, though.
[00:23] <tomreyn> AlexMax: if you seek help with this, you could and should surely provide more details about your ubuntu installation, hardware and configuration, though.
[00:24] <tomreyn> energizer: what are you trying to achieve there actually? maybe there's a better approach we can suggest if you'll describe what you are trying to accomplish, and why.
[00:40] <energizer> this was very far down an X-Y chain, but i think i've got it worked out. thank you for the offer :)
[00:49] <jcotton> is there something like less that also does syntax highlighting
[00:49] <jcotton> or a way to make less do it?
[00:51] <tomreyn> nano, vim, emacs.
[00:52] <hggdh> jcotton: vim (or view, vim in read-only mode)
[00:52] <jcotton> ok
[00:52] <jcotton> i could've sworn you could tack syntax highlighting onto less
[00:56] <tomreyn> jcotton: i don't think less itself can, but you could use the LESSPIPE environment variable to pipe text through a source highlighting application before it goes into less.
[00:56] <tomreyn> err LESSOPEN rather
[00:57] <jcotton> ah ok
[00:57] <Tin_man> jcotton, oh my, hello mr jcotton .. good to see you..
[00:57] <tomreyn> this could easily introduce security issues, though, so i'd be very careful about this.
[00:58] <tomreyn> i.e. terminal control characters in the wrong context
[01:03] <Apachez> wwwin 18.04, where do I disable sleep mode when the laptop lid is closed?
[01:05] <tomreyn> Apachez: HandleLidSwitch=ignore in /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[01:06] <tomreyn> + systemctl restart systemd-logind
[01:09] <Apachez> tnx
[01:09] <Apachez> no gui option?
[01:10] <Apachez> because I would still like to have the password prompt to get activated
[01:10] <Apachez> but not put the whole box to sleep
[01:10] <tomreyn> since it's rather specifc, i doubt it.
[01:11] <tomreyn> Apachez: this is documented in systemd-logind(8)
[01:11] <tomreyn> see the NOTES section
[01:11] <OerHeks> yes, in gnome-tweak tool there is 'suspend when laptop lid is closed' option
[01:12] <leftyfb> tomreyn: Apachez I would set it to "lock", not ignore
[01:12] <leftyfb> Apachez: with "ignore" it keeps the screen backlight on, which can head up your laptop a bit
[01:12] <tomreyn> yes, to lock and not suspend that seems correct
[01:12] <tomreyn> also logind.conf(5)
[01:12] <leftyfb> head/heat*
[01:13] <Apachez> tomreyn: because it was in the regular settings before 17.10 or somethin
[01:14] <tomreyn> so on unity, before the massive change to gnome-shell?
[01:20] <Apachez> mmm
[01:27] <Boyette> hi
[01:27] <Boyette> can anyone tell me how to update my mesa drivers to Mesa 19.0.1
[01:29] <tomreyn> Boyette: why do you need to?
[01:29] <tomreyn> also hi ;)
[01:29] <Boyette> i update once a year many bug fixes past year
[01:29] <tomreyn> !latest | Boyette
[01:30] <Boyette> oh
[01:30] <tomreyn> important bug fixes are backported
[01:30] <Boyette> so i wait then it will be done automatically later
[01:30] <tomreyn> when you upgrade to a new release, yes
[01:30] <Boyette> yes i try dist-upgrade already but it wont update
[01:31] <tomreyn> dist-upgrade does not do a release upgrade
[01:31] <tomreyn> that's if you mean "apt(-get) dist-upgrade"
[01:32] <tomreyn> "upgrade-manager -c" and "do-release-upgrade" are how you do it.
[01:32] <Apachez> Boyette: what ubuntu do you got 18.10?
[01:32] <Apachez> 19.04 should be out soon
[01:33] <Boyette> im on 18.2.8 now
[01:34] <Boyette> i think for my APU are no video drivers from AMD i need to rely on MESA
[01:34] <tomreyn> Boyette: i think Apachez was asking about your ubuntu version
[01:34] <tomreyn> Boyette: nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};)
[01:34] <Boyette> 18.04.2 = ubuntu version
[01:35] <OerHeks> wait 3 weeks, for disco dingo, or run it in beta, else unsupported ppa for mesa 19.1 https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers
[01:35] <Boyette> https://termbin.com/a7qq
[01:36] <tomreyn> yes that's current bionic
[01:36] <tomreyn> you could use !hwe but then you probably don't need to if everything's already working fine.
[01:36] <Boyette> https://termbin.com/83ne
[01:37] <Boyette> i can only use MESA i think as a videodriver
[01:37] <tomreyn> that is not an issue
[01:38] <tomreyn> an issue would be to have to rely on badly integrated proprietary + closed source drivers.
[01:38] <Boyette> so mesa is better anyway?
[01:38] <tomreyn> there is no yes/no answer to this question
[01:39] <Boyette> probably ? :)
[01:41] <tomreyn> we can talk about this in #ubuntu-discuss if you like, it's not a support topic.
[01:41] <Boyette> ok thx anyway
[01:41] <Bashing-om> Boyette: What shows ' sudo lshw -C display ' for the driver in use ( configuration line )?
[01:42] <cactus00000_> sudo rebooyt
[01:42] <Boyette> https://termbin.com/a6h
[01:43] <Boyette> https://termbin.com/a6hm
[01:44] <Bashing-om> Boyette: "driver=amdgpu" . You are using the amdgpu driver :)
[01:45] <Boyette> hmm i think thats not good
[01:45] <Boyette> i need to use mesa
[01:46] <Bashing-om> Boyette: No comment - as I can not imigine anyone wanting mesa over the AMD provided driver,
[01:47] <Boyette> oh ok
[01:47] <Boyette> as far as i know amd does not make videodrivers for ubuntu for my apu
[01:47] <Boyette> thats what they told me
[01:49] <Bashing-om> Boyette: And what does your system tell you ' lsmod | grep amdgpu ' ?
[01:51] <Boyette> https://termbin.com/lpen
[01:52] <Bashing-om> Boyette: Does that not tell you that AMD provides all kinds of support for that APU ?
[01:53] <Boyette> well they did not
[01:54] <Bashing-om> Boyette: The format is name, size, (the amount of memory used by the resident module, in bytes.) use count(how many instances of the module are being used. If the number is zero, the module is not currently being used.), list of referring modules.
[01:54] <emanuel> Help please. I have an HP z560 laptop which I have 16.04 when  it boots I can not not log in at the GUI screen that comes up, If I switch to a terminal window I can log in fine. I need help diagnosing and troublshooting
[01:55] <tomreyn> emanuel: what exactly happens (not) when you try to login on the graphical login?
[01:56] <emanuel> tomreyn, after I enter the password the loin box goes away and that's it.
[01:56] <tomreyn> emanuel: ok, run this on the text console and post the web address here: nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};)
[01:58] <tomreyn> emanuel: also provide more information: does this only happen since recently, were you previously running ubuntu 16.04 fine, or a different version? or is it a new installation?
[01:59] <emanuel> tomreyn, I made a type will re-try the entry. The issue happened only recently.
[02:00] <Boyette> i also have a problem with the power states.. if i close down the screen and device goes to standby it cant wake up anymore and operate as how it should be
[02:01] <emanuel> tomreyn, I double checked what I wrote and I am getting -bash: syntax error near unexpected token '('
[02:03] <tomreyn> emanuel: just try this: lsb_release -ds
[02:03] <tomreyn> !hwe | Boyette
[02:04] <emanuel> tomreyn, I fixed my error and the url created is https://termbin.com/ocuh
[02:05] <tomreyn> emanuel: thanks, looks like an up to date 16.04
 emanuel: also provide more information: does this only happen since recently, were you previously running ubuntu 16.04 fine, or a different version? or is it a new installation?
[02:07] <jcotton> TIL about ssh-copy-od
[02:07] <jcotton> TIL about ssh-copy-id*
[02:07] <emanuel> tomreyn, it was stable install. I origianlly installed with with no GUI because it was going to be just a ssh box then I used a guide to add a GUI so I can use X remotley and it still worked. Then I fouled something up with dnsmasq and I had to reboot the system. Since then I've had this issue
[02:07] <jcotton> pretty handy
[02:09] <emanuel> tomreyn, And now it's working! I changed the password to a shorter one and rebooted and now I am able to sign in at the GUI
[02:10] <jcotton> does ssh read the password from stdin or does it directly open the terminal?
[02:10] <tomreyn> Boyette: if the return-from-suspend issues remain after upgrading to HWE and rebooting, you can do this: edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf and add this: HandleLidSwitch=lock       # once that's done, run this: systemctl restart systemd-logind    # this will stpo the system from suspending when you close the laptop, i.e. it will keep running, produce heat, consume battery, require fresh air.
[02:11] <tomreyn> emanuel: the length of the password should not change whether or not you can login, though. if it did, this was a major bug.
[02:11] <tomreyn> Boyette: if the return-from-suspend issues remain after upgrading to HWE and rebooting, you can do this: edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf and add this: HandleLidSwitch=lock       # once that's done, run this: systemctl restart systemd-logind    # this will stpo the system from suspending when you close the laptop, i.e. it will keep running, produce heat, consume battery, require fresh air.
[02:11] <jcotton> asnwered my own question, it opens the terminal directly
[02:11] <tomreyn> jcotton: i didn't see you asking a question
[02:11] <Boyette> ok
[02:12] <Boyette> i upgraded now and rebooted
[02:12] <emanuel> tomreyn, I agree that should not matter but it seems that it did.
[02:12] <jcotton> tomreyn: jcotton> does ssh read the password from stdin or does it directly open the terminal?
[02:12] <jcotton> ack it didn't copy the time
[02:12] <tomreyn> jcotton: sorry, i missed it
[02:12] <jcotton> it's fine
[02:13] <jcotton> for the record I was wondering if someting like `ssh nitron 'cat >> .ssh/authorized_keys' < .ssh/id_rsa.pub` would work when reading the pass from a terminal
[02:13] <jcotton> and it does
[02:13] <tomreyn> emanuel: i suggest you set the old password again and try once more
[02:13] <beanfrog> !nvidia
[02:14] <emanuel> tomreyn, I will do that as soon as I finish reboooting the box
[02:14] <beanfrog> whats the other nvidia command
[02:16] <Bashing-om> beanfrog: There is no "other" - there are bunches .. what is the goal here ?
[02:16] <tomreyn> beanfrog: what do you mean? maybe !nomodeset ? you can also search those triggers online at ubottu.com/factoids.cgi
[02:17] <Boyette> problem is not solved
[02:17] <beanfrog> yeah it was nomodeset thanks
[02:17] <beanfrog> !nomodeset
[02:18] <tomreyn> Boyette: try a kernel update, too. here's info about your hardware: journalctl -b | grep 'DMI:'
[02:19] <tomreyn> Boyette: sorry i meant to write "try a mainboard firmware upgrade, too"
[02:19] <Boyette> the problem what occurs is
[02:19] <Boyette> the system does wake up
[02:19] <Boyette> but the keyboard doesnt function anymore properly for example
[02:19] <Boyette> its like capslock is activated which is not
[02:19] <Boyette> ENTER key doesnt function anymore
[02:19] <tomreyn> this sounds liek a firmware issue
[02:19] <Boyette> etc..
[02:19] <Boyette> until reboot
[02:19] <jcotton> does replugging the keyboard fix it?
[02:19] <jcotton> or is this an integrated keyboard?
[02:19] <Boyette> its a laptop
[02:20] <jcotton> ah
[02:20] <Boyette> but maybe somehow i can do this virtually
[02:21] <Boyette> @tomreyn you mean bios update?
[02:21] <tomreyn> Boyette: check your system journal for the firmware version, acpi issues, and for what is logged about your input devices when you return from suspend
[02:21] <tomreyn> Boyette: right
[02:21] <jcotton> can I make alt+tab directly switch windows in GNOME (Ubuntu 18.10)?
[02:22] <beanfrog> quick question about the ppa nvidia drivers, after adding to the apt, and updating, do i do sudo apt-get install nvidia-graphics-drivers-418 ?
[02:22] <tomreyn> jcotton: maybe there's an extension for this at https://extensions.gnome.org
[02:23] <tomreyn> beanfrog: i'd rather    ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[02:23] <beanfrog> the default driver doesn't work
[02:23] <tomreyn> it'll use the newer driver from the ppa if there's a matching one
[02:24] <Boyette> hmm im on F.27 latest would be F.31
[02:24] <beanfrog> so, after adding the ppa's, I do the auto install, is that sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall?
[02:24] <Boyette> but its only provided in a windows exectubale file
[02:24] <Boyette> installation package
[02:25] <tomreyn> beanfrog: correct.
[02:25] <beanfrog> Cool! thank you
[02:25] <beanfrog> Boyette: on windows, you can disable the keyboard driver and re-enable it
[02:25] <Boyette> i dont have windows
[02:26] <tomreyn> Boyette: if you'll tell what i suggested earlier, the output of   journalctl -b | grep 'DMI:'    then we can maybe help you there.
[02:26] <jcotton> tomreyn: turns out you can just rebind it in Settings > Devices > Keyboard
[02:27] <Boyette> well im thinking how to do that
[02:27] <Boyette> because i have difficulties executing commands after the device will be in this state
[02:27] <tomreyn> jcotton: i must have misunderstood what you wanted to do then
[02:28] <jcotton> tomreyn: I wanted alt+tab to switch between windows directly, isntead of apps
[02:28] <jcotton> but as this highlgihts, you can just change a setting https://blogs.gnome.org/fmuellner/2018/10/11/the-future-of-alternatetab-and-why-you-need-not-worry/
[02:28] <tomreyn> Boyette: you can review your logs after a fresh reboot
[02:28] <Boyette> before:
[02:28] <Boyette> https://termbin.com/lv8f
[02:29] <Boyette> after:
[02:29] <Boyette> https://termbin.com/hvde
[02:30] <tomreyn> jcotton: thanks for explaining, and for the link, i just learntsomething, too :)
[02:30] <jcotton> baffled why it's not the default
[02:31] <tomreyn> Boyette: i didn'T suggest the output would change
[02:31] <Boyette> no
[02:31] <Boyette> i understood aswell
[02:31] <Boyette> ater i noticed :)
[02:31] <tomreyn> Boyette: this wa sjust to identify your hardware + firmware
[02:31] <Boyette> yes i see
[02:32] <Boyette> https://support.hp.com/nl-nl/drivers/selfservice/closure/hp-pavilion-15-aw000-notebook-pc-series/10862162/model/15003057?sku=W9U26EA
[02:32] <Boyette> there is a new bios
[02:32] <Boyette> but its only available in exe package
[02:33] <Boyette> https://support.hp.com/en-en/drivers/selfservice/closure/hp-pavilion-15-aw000-notebook-pc-series/10862162/model/15003057?sku=W9U26EA
[02:33] <emanuel> I changed the password back and it still is letting me log in. So all is well. Now I have to figure how to not have the laptop sleep when the lid is closed
[02:33] <tomreyn> Boyette: if you want to review (or share with us) the system log from an unsuccessfull return from suspend, you can reboot, suspend, return from suspend (or fail to do so properly), press ctrl-alt-del or !sysrq to reboot again, then run journalctl -b1
[02:33] <Boyette> ok
[02:34] <Boyette> the only way to reboot after that would be with the mouse in the gui because the keyboard functionality is disrupted too much to execute any commands
[02:35] <jcotton> Boyette: you might be able to run the installer from Windows PE (eg Windows Setup USB)
[02:35] <jcotton> ugh
[02:35] <Boyette> https://termbin.com/jl7o
[02:35] <jcotton> why are my headphones going into input mode
[02:36] <jcotton> *bluetooth headphones
[02:36] <Boyette> running a bios update on a usb stick?
[02:37] <jcotton> you would make a Windows setup USB stick, throw the bios exe on it, then run the updater from the command prompt when booted to it
[02:37] <jcotton> (shift+f10 to open the command prompt)
[02:38] <Boyette> it sounds very risky to me to do it like that
[02:39] <emanuel> Boyette, it's quite common to make a freedos boot image to do a bios upgrade
[02:40] <emanuel> Boyette, https://opensource.com/article/17/6/upgrade-bios-freedos may help you
[02:40] <jcb2016> hello. is it hard or easy to create a liveusb with presistant data. ive followed a lot of guides on the web but most are osbolete or dataed
[02:40] <tomreyn> this firmware update seems to be windows only, indeed https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JXkwYMZFqB/
[02:40] <jcotton> you might be able to crack open the firmware instalelr and pull out the image
[02:40] <jcotton> if the machine has a non-OS way of installing the update
[02:41] <Boyette> @tomreyn did you see my journal
[02:41] <OerHeks> freedos perhaps, or use the uefi bios update menu?
[02:41] <tomreyn> Boyette: i think you may be able to write the bios update file to a fat32 file system on the first parittion of a usb stick, and have the uefi ("bios") upgrade itself using this file.
[02:41] <tomreyn> Boyette: no, looking now
[02:43] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIOSUpdate#Boot_into_BIOS_.28F10.29_to_upgrade_BIOS
[02:44] <emanuel> Question: I have a printer that is shared on the network using CUPS how can I add printing from remote systems to it?
[02:47] <tomreyn> Boyette: the log you posted is old. did you do all the steps i listed?
 Boyette: if you want to review (or share with us) the system log from an unsuccessfull return from suspend, you can reboot, suspend, return from suspend (or fail to do so properly), press ctrl-alt-del or !sysrq to reboot again, then run journalctl -b1
[02:48] <Boyette> i already did
[02:48] <Boyette> yes
[02:51] <Boyette> the incident happend at this timestamp: mrt 31 04:28:00
[02:51] <Boyette> im in a different timezone
[02:55] <Boyette> i did it again now
[02:55] <Boyette> https://termbin.com/whjm
[02:56] <Boyette> now it must definetely be visible because it got even worse
[02:56] <Boyette> this time
[02:57] <tomreyn> okay, this log is a lot shorter already
[02:57] <Boyette> yes
[02:57] <henkel> how do you start postgresql in ubuntu
[02:57] <Boyette> but i think it doesnt show the state before the incident
[02:57] <Boyette> i think this is just showing after the last reboot
[02:57] <Boyette> so it is not showing anything before that
[02:58] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/postgresql.html.en
[02:59] <tomreyn> Boyette: those are noteworthy from your inital log, before going into suspend https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/k5PQhCTHdd/
[02:59] <Boyette> yes but the suspend it self is not listed here
[02:59] <Boyette> in the previous log it was
[03:00] <Boyette> the problem is i cant make another log after i suspend and wake up
[03:00] <Boyette> obh maybe if i make an sh script for that
[03:00] <Boyette> i can try
[03:00] <tomreyn> i see what you mean about the suspend event not recorded on the second log you posted
[03:01] <beanfrog> alright, i got ubuntu server up and running with a desktop enviroment in virtualbox, now too see if it works in real!
[03:01] <Boyette> exactly
[03:01] <Boyette> because the log will be renewed on reboot.. and we need the part after the suspend and before the reboot
[03:02] <henkel> postgresql 11 worked before upgrade to ubuntu 18 now it doesnt
[03:03] <tomreyn> Boyette: well it's all on the first log you posted, so i looked at that. there are indeed several issues after return from suspend. i suggest you upgrade the firmware. if this is not an option (even using the method i pointed you to which doe snot require windows), then there may be another option.
[03:04] <Boyette> ok
[03:04] <OerHeks> 11 will be available in 19.04 disco dingo, bionic and cosmic give 10 ? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postgresql-10
[03:04] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postgresql-11
[03:05] <tomreyn> Boyette: the other option (may or may not work, firmware upgrade is the better option usually): http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[03:05] <henkel> got mine from postgresql site 3rd party repo
[03:05] <Boyette> i have a woeusb in my pocket
[03:05] <Boyette> so i can try that
[03:05] <Boyette> if dont come back online it bricked the device
[03:06] <OerHeks> so you thought a 3rd party install survives an upgrade to 18.04?
[03:06] <OerHeks> nope, it does not AFAIK
[03:06] <Boyette> or maybe it can be done by wine
[03:06] <tomreyn> Boyette: don't use windows if you don't have to. definitely dont do it with wine.
[03:06] <Boyette> ok
[03:06] <Boyette> so what is your best guess?
[03:06] <henkel> gonna find out all the files are there
 Boyette: i think you may be able to write the bios update file to a fat32 file system on the first parittion of a usb stick, and have the uefi ("bios") upgrade itself using this file.
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIOSUpdate#Boot_into_BIOS_.28F10.29_to_upgrade_BIOS
[03:08] <Boyette> oh this might work i think
[03:08] <Boyette> https://support.hp.com/nl-nl/document/c00131948
[03:08] <Boyette> https://support.hp.com/en-en/document/c00131948
[03:08] <Boyette> ah its not in english that document
[03:09] <Boyette> the installation package provides creating a usb stick
[03:09] <Boyette> i just need to find a windows machine first to make the stick
[03:13] <henkel> what would make postgresql 11 unstartable after a distro upgrade from ubuntu 16 to ubuntu 18
[03:15] <noregret> why doesn't hostnamectl set-hostname preserve changes for reboots?
[03:17] <tomreyn> Boyette: extracting the file might work in wine
[03:18] <tomreyn> noregret: maybe /etc/hostname isnt writable to it?
[03:19] <tomreyn> !yy.mm | henkel
[03:20] <henkel> i running 18.04 and got locale problems which is why pgsql barfed how to install en_US.UTF-8?
[03:21] <tomreyn> !locales | henkel
[03:22] <noregret> tomreyn: just tred it again, /etc/hostname was written to. I reboot, then I go back to the old name.. any ideas?
[03:22] <tomreyn> noregret: is /etc/hostname the intended or unintended value at this time?
[03:22] <noregret> tomreyn: unintended
[03:22] <noregret> btw, i'm on server 18.04
[03:23] <noregret> tomreyn: after the hostnamectl set-hostname command, /etc/hostname gets set correctly. I reboot, it goes away
[03:23] <henkel> why dist upgrade removed locales?
[03:24] <tomreyn> noregret: is it received via dhcp or slaac?
[03:25] <tomreyn> henkel: maybe you had not configured that they are generated?
[03:26] <henkel> no en_us.utf-8 is gone and localeconf isn't installed anymore
[03:27] <Boyette> hi
[03:27] <noregret> tomreyn: what is? the ip address you mean?
[03:27] <Boyette> it doesnt work as supposed but i do have the bios files in the stick now
[03:27] <Boyette> is there a way to tell ubuntu to update it?
[03:27] <tomreyn> noregret: the system hostname.
[03:28] <noregret> tomreyn: no, and honestly I didn't know you can pass hostnames thru dhcp, at least i never looked in to
[03:28] <tomreyn> henkel: are you saying that the content of /etc/locale.gen was changed during the system upgrade?
[03:29] <tomreyn> Boyette: ubuntu won't be able to install the firmware upgrade, no.
[03:29] <tomreyn> noregret: you can.
[03:30] <Boyette> i created HP BIOS UPdate stick but for some reason it wont run
[03:30] <Boyette> because ubuntu disabled uefi and it still needs it
[03:30] <tomreyn> Boyette: explain "ubuntu disabled uefi"
[03:30] <Boyette> i dont have uefi bios now
[03:30] <Boyette> but old
[03:31] <noregret> tomreyn: it's not in this case anhyways, not even ip, it's static
[03:31] <tomreyn> Boyette: ubuntu cannot and will not switch your system between uefi and legacy bios booting
[03:31] <Boyette> the stick needs the uefi "middleware" to read the bios from the stick
[03:31] <Boyette> there is no option in the legacy bios to switch to uefi
[03:31] <Boyette> because this switch is handled by setup of OS normally
[03:32] <Boyette> and bios update tool needs uefi
[03:32] <tomreyn> Boyette: the firmware configuration screens are the only place where you can switch between uefi and legacy bios (AKA "CSM", "compatibility support mode") booting
[03:33] <Boyette> those options are disabled
[03:33] <tomreyn> noregret: maybe it's configured in your systemd-networkd configuration then?
[03:33] <henkel> tomreyn you got my postgresql running thank you
[03:33] <Boyette> completely
[03:33] <tomreyn> henkel: i didn't, but i'm glad you did.
[03:34] <tomreyn> Boyette: i don't know your firmware nor its configuration screens, and it's (of course) hardware specific and not anything ubuntu related.
[03:35] <Boyette> tomreyn: correct!
[03:35] <tomreyn> Boyette: generally, there should be some F key to enable a firmware upgrade
[03:35] <tomreyn> i think i read it is F11 or F12 on HP
[03:35] <noregret> tomreyn: which files are those
[03:35] <Boyette> let me try a bit more
[03:36] <tomreyn> noregret: from memory that's /etc/systemd/network.conf
[03:36] <tomreyn> noregret: though you may be using netplan to write it
[03:36] <henkel> tomreyn no you pointed me to pages that solve the missing langs that was making pg barf EASY fix once the problem is found but i didnt know where to start
[03:37] <henkel> pg 11 running on ubuntu 18.04 now
[03:37] <tomreyn> noregret: i recommend reading some manuals and release notes when using ubuntu server.
[03:37] <noregret> tomreyn: i dont' have hostname set in /etc/netplan/01-netcfg.yaml
[03:37] <noregret> tomreyn: so i guess i use netplan
[03:38] <tomreyn> henkel: you'd normally use "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales" to configure locales. i think that using this will survive system upgrades.
[03:38] <tomreyn> noregret: your system journal should tell where the undesired hostname is received from,a nd how it is set.
[03:39] <Eliot_1998> -_______-
[03:39] <tomreyn> !rootirc | Eliot_1998
[03:41] <Eliot_1998> d
[03:41] <tomreyn> Eliot_1998: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[03:41] <henkel> what replaces kdesudo
[03:42] <Eliot_1998> irc is the first
[03:42] <Eliot_1998> how use the add #ubuntu ?
[03:43] <henkel> Eliot_1998: huh
[03:43] <noregret> tomreyn: and I can see that using journalctl -a ?
[03:44] <tomreyn> noregret: journalctl -b
[03:45] <Eliot_1998> I am using Ubuntu to switch to freezing mode I do not know whyy
[03:45] <tomreyn> Eliot_1998: what is your native language?
[03:45] <Eliot_1998> only use connecting safe mode
[03:45] <Eliot_1998> korea
[03:46] <tomreyn> !kr | Eliot_1998
[03:46] <hggdh> Eliot_1998: your question and comments do not make sense. Perhaps ypu would be better served in a channel that uses your native language -- try /join #ubuntu-xx, where xx is your language
[03:47] <Eliot_1998> okay
[03:48] <tomreyn> !sudo | henkel
[03:49] <tomreyn> !pkexec | henkel
[03:50] <Eliot-1998> --
[03:52] <tomreyn> !korean | Eliot-1998
[03:52] <henkel> distro upgrade broke stuff
[03:52] <noregret> tomreyn: ok, i see this msg "systemd-resolved[715]: Using system hostname <old hostname>" - where is this configured?
[03:53] <tomreyn> noregret: in one of the files systemd-resolved reads configurations from, i would think
[03:54] <tomreyn> it's man page, systemd-resolved(8), discusses those
[03:54] <Boyette> update bios successfull
[03:54] <tomreyn> Boyette: congrats, so this reports the new firmware version now?   journalctl -b | grep 'DMI:'
[03:54] <Boyette> i could manually run the EFI file on the stick which forced the bios update tool to start
[03:55] <Boyette> https://termbin.com/ffg5
[03:55] <Boyette> BIOS F.31 11/16/2018
[03:55] <Boyette> yes
[03:55] <Boyette> updated from F.27 to F.31
[03:55] <tomreyn> right
[03:55] <tomreyn> so, does return from suspend work any better now?
[03:55] <Boyette> going to test now
[03:56] <tomreyn> noregret: are you familiar with man pages?
[03:57] <Boyette> ok
[03:57] <Boyette> it did definetely change something
[03:58] <Boyette> but now.. when i close the lid the device just shuts down..
[03:58] <henkel> what idiot takes the pg drivers out of the perl dbi
[03:58] <Boyette> 😭
[03:59] <Boyette> https://termbin.com/clu3
[03:59] <tomreyn> !ot | henkel
[03:59] <Boyette> but i think nothing can be seen here
[04:01] <henkel> tomreyn: the perl dbi includes a number of drivers for dbs and mine were installed via apt from ubuntu repos. ubuntu brok it.
[04:01] <Boyette> in logind.conf
[04:01] <Boyette> there is a value
[04:01] <Boyette> #HandleLidSwitch=suspend
[04:02] <Boyette> should this not be
[04:02] <Boyette> HandleLidSwitch=hibernate
[04:03] <Boyette> its poweroff hibernate or ignore
[04:03] <Boyette> right
[04:03] <Boyette> what is suspend suppose to do?
[04:04] <hggdh> henkel: open a bug on it, then. But please do not rant here.
[04:04] <sauvin> I can confirm what henkel is saying: The perl DBI as installed via apt is broken in 18.04 where it wasn't in 16.04.
[04:07] <tomreyn> !bug | henkel
[04:07] <tomreyn> !releasenotes | henkel
[04:08] <noregret> tomreyn: ok, found the problem
[04:08] <noregret> I had to change preserve_hostname to true in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg
[04:08] <noregret> had no idea
[04:08] <Boyette> @tomreyn.. any idea?
[04:09] <tomreyn> Boyette: if HandleLidSwitch remains commented out (default), then, when you close the laptop's lid, the system will carry out the default action for it, which is to suspend.
[04:09] <Boyette> im just checking this because i dont understand after firmware update system shutsdown when i close the lid
[04:10] <Boyette> dont know what suspend is supposed to to ?
[04:10] <Boyette> to do
[04:10] <Boyette> should i try to change it to 'hibernate' ?
[04:10] <tomreyn> Boyette: suspend means suspending the system state to RAM (and restoring it from there later). hibernate means suspending the system state to disk (in the swap partitions/files) (and restoring it from there later).
[04:10] <Boyette> at least the behaviour did change after the firmware update
[04:10] <Boyette> ah ok
[04:11] <Boyette> so maybe for some reason suspending doesnt work but hibernate might work ?
[04:12] <Boyette> or what would be your advice?
[04:12] <tomreyn> noregret: also discussed here - https://askubuntu.com/questions/1028633/host-name-reverts-to-old-name-after-reboot-in-18-04-lts - may be a bug.
[04:13] <tomreyn> Boyette: the acpi errors you used to have are still present, so they were not fixed by the firmware upgrade. you can try the workaround i discussed previously.
 Boyette: the other option (may or may not work, firmware upgrade is the better option usually): http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[04:13] <Boyette> ok
[04:14] <Boyette> you think acpi errors can cause this behaviour?
[04:14] <Boyette> oh i read now : yes  :)
[04:16] <tomreyn> Boyette: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=201981
[04:16] <tomreyn> you may want to subscribe to this
[04:16] <tomreyn> or to ubuntu bug 1809206
[04:17] <Boyette>  Hp Amd A10 9600p = almost same cpu even
[04:17] <Boyette> this is about same chipset even almost all the reports indeed
[04:18] <tomreyn> i found it by searching for the ACPI errors on your log
[04:18] <tomreyn> they seem to be unique to HP AMD systems
[04:18] <tomreyn> which suggests firmware bugs.
[04:19] <noregret> I see this msg when plugging a 10tb hdd - "sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Very big device. Trying to use READ CAPACITY(16)" is this normal? i can mount and use it normally tho
[04:21] <Boyette> hmm
[04:21] <Boyette> this is not going to work
[04:22] <tomreyn> noregret: put a GPT partition table on it, not MBR /msdos
[04:23] <tomreyn> Boyette: details?
[04:25] <Boyette> i think best is to set handlelitswitch to ignore
[04:25] <Boyette> this will never be solved otherwise
[04:26] <tomreyn> Boyette: if you want to prevent suspending on lid switch, you probably stiull want to lock the screen.
[04:26] <Boyette> yes there is a way to do that?
[04:27] <tomreyn> yes, you could read the things i tell you
 Boyette: if the return-from-suspend issues remain after upgrading to HWE and rebooting, you can do this: edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf and add this: HandleLidSwitch=lock       # once that's done, run this: systemctl restart systemd-logind    # this will stpo the system from suspending when you close the laptop, i.e. it will keep running, produce heat, consume battery, require fresh air.
[04:30] <Boyette> upgrading to HWE i already did before we updated the firmware
[04:31] <Boyette> can we check if this HWE is really active to be sure?
[04:32] <tomreyn> Boyette: post this: nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};)
[04:32] <tomreyn> Boyette: also this: lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999
[04:32] <Boyette> https://termbin.com/dvx3
[04:33] <Boyette> https://termbin.com/th5g
[04:33] <justthedoctor> Hello, i am currently running a vps server using ubuntu 18.10 and i would like to compile a few things Without ruining default install.. My first goal is to compile GCC 4.9.0 to /home/user/deps/gcc-4.9.0 so that i can link that dir to my app i'm trying to compile.. can anyone please recommend a good source to READ on how to compile gcc-4.9.0 to a specific path?
[04:34] <tomreyn> Boyette: and finally: journalctl -b | grep xorg-server
[04:35] <Boyette> https://termbin.com/w5dc
[04:35] <henkel> hard not to rant when every little thing breaks on distro upgrade
[04:35] <tomreyn> henkel: you can rant all you want, just not here.
[04:36] <tomreyn> Boyette: we already had this output, it's not from the third comman di posted
[04:36] <Boyette> it is
[04:36] <tomreyn> Boyette: i.e. we're just missing this (no need to put it on a pastebin): journalctl -b | grep xorg-server
[04:37] <Boyette> the output doesnt show in terminal
[04:38] <Boyette> Linux version 4.18.0-16-generic (buildd@lcy01-amd64-006) (gcc version 7.3.0 (Ubuntu 7.3.0-16ubuntu3)) #17~18.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Tue Feb 12 13:35:51 UTC 2019
[04:38] <Boyette> BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.18.0-16-generic root=UUID=026b5b00-52c7-4078-ace7-bf859868d8b9 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=1
[04:38] <tomreyn> Boyette: indfeed this output is not created by the command i provided
[04:39] <Boyette> nc termbin.com 9999 < <(sudo journalctl -b | grep xorg-server;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};)
[04:39] <Boyette> its the output of that
[04:39] <tomreyn> yeah, we have this 4 times by now, don't need more copies
[04:40] <yvyz> whats the issue?
[04:40] <Boyette> but that is the output
[04:41] <tatertots> lol
[04:41] <yvyz> Not booting?
[04:42] <tomreyn> Boyette: so if you copy and paste this to a new terminal window, the output starting "Linux version" is retruned? journalctl -b | grep xorg-server
[04:42] <tomreyn> *returned
[04:42] <Boyette> @tomreyn yes indeed
[04:42] <Boyette> oh only that
[04:42] <Boyette> it will just execute and show a new line
[04:42] <Boyette> no output in terminal
[04:44] <tomreyn> Boyette: try this instead:  head ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[04:44] <Boyette> https://termbin.com/7cip
[04:44] <tomreyn> yvyz: we're trying to confirim that the HWE stack is in use
[04:45] <tomreyn> Boyette: not in use
[04:45] <Boyette> oh
[04:45] <Boyette> i did install it however
[04:45] <Boyette> how to use it?
[04:45] <tomreyn> Boyette: oh wait this log seems to be old
[04:46] <tomreyn> does this show timestamps from less than an hour ago?  ls -l ~/.local/share/xorg/
[04:46] <Boyette> no
[04:46] <Boyette> total 24-rw-r--r-- 1 j j 23746 sep  9  2018 Xorg.0.log
[04:47] <tomreyn> dpkg -l |grep xserver-xorg\*
[04:49] <Boyette> https://termbin.com/frxvl
[04:49] <Boyette> a lot of hwe there
[04:49] <tomreyn> so yes you'Re runnign the right onw
[04:49] <tomreyn> since only that is installed
[04:49] <tomreyn> where "right" -> HWE
[04:50] <Boyette> will this not affect video performance ?
[04:50] <Boyette> by the way
[04:50] <tomreyn> yes, i hope it does
[04:50] <Boyette> i actually had the feeling after reboot after install HWE the screen got much brighter
[04:51] <Boyette> but more like the backlight was more powerfull
[04:51] <Boyette> anyway is there anything else we can do?
[04:52] <tomreyn> that's possible, the newer kernel and graphics stack will likely provide better support for your hardware.
[04:52] <Boyette> ok
[04:52] <tomreyn> nothing but the acpi issue workaround or disabling suspend on lig switch.
[04:52] <Boyette> yes i switched that to ignore
[04:53] <tomreyn> be sure to still know how to undo this if you want to try in the future
[04:54] <Boyette> hmm
[04:56] <Boyette> it didnt work
[04:56] <Boyette> it doesnt matter what i change
[04:56] <Boyette> the device will still respond to the lid being nearly closed it looks like a hardware switch
[04:57] <Boyette> if its closer then approximately 5 cm to being closed it will shutdown
[04:58] <tomreyn> did you restart systemd-logind before you closed the lid?
[04:59] <tomreyn> did you restart systemd-logind before you closed the lid?
[04:59] <Boyette> no
[04:59] <Boyette> i rebooted
[04:59] <Boyette> that must work aswell
[04:59] <tomreyn> correct.
[04:59] <tomreyn> post your configuration file
[05:00] <tomreyn> cat /etc/systemd/logind.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
[05:00] <Boyette> https://termbin.com/5usd
[05:01] <tomreyn> lines which start with a hash character are commanet, are ignored,
[05:02] <tomreyn> lines which start with a hash character are comments, are ignored,
[05:02] <Boyette> oh
[05:02] <tomreyn> !man | Boyette
[05:02] <Boyette> so what should be ignored is ignored
[05:03] <Boyette> ignored ignorance
[05:03] <Boyette> so i have to start over
[05:03] <tomreyn> if the configuration change you intend to make is ignored because it is actually a comment, then this means that the compile-time default applies. the compile-time default for HandleLidSwitch is suspend
[05:04] <Boyette> exactly
[05:04] <Boyette> so i dont need to try it to have it suspend now
[05:04] <Boyette> because that already didnt work
[05:04] <Boyette> but i can try hibernate first
[05:04] <Boyette> now
[05:05] <tomreyn> you can try setting it to hibernate, if you have a swap partition or file system which is large enough to cover your ram.
[05:05] <Boyette> yes will try that first
[05:05] <Boyette> if not i will try ignore again
[05:07] <tomreyn> or you can do what you wanted to do, which is to put this non commented out configuration into the file:   HandleLidSwitch=ignore
[05:07] <tomreyn> or you can do what you wanted to do, which is to put this non commented out configuration into the file:   HandleLidSwitch=ignore
[05:08] <Boyette> this also didnt work
[05:08] <Boyette> i removed the #
[05:08] <Boyette> but it looks like system doesnt listen to logind.conf at all
[05:10] <Boyette> i only had to remove the # right
 did you restart systemd-logind before you closed the lid?
[05:11] <Boyette> i rebooted after removing #
[05:11] <Boyette> https://termbin.com/u162
[05:11] <tomreyn> and you closed the lid after rebooting?
[05:11] <Boyette> yes
[05:12] <Boyette> it still shutsdown
[05:12] <tomreyn> then hibernation failed, yes.
[05:12] <tomreyn> linux will have requested it but the firmware failed to deliver, probaby because linux requested in a way the firmware did not expect.
[05:13] <tomreyn> which may be because the firmware is buggy.
[05:14] <tomreyn> it's also possible that the firmware doesn'T actually let linux handle the event and just handles it itself.
[05:14] <Boyette> yes
[05:14] <Boyette> such thing i also think is what happens
[05:14] <tomreyn> this instant poweroff shouldn't be happening either way, and points to a firmware bug.
[05:14] <Boyette> it behaves like a hardware switch
[05:14] <Boyette> however this wont happen on windows
[05:15] <Boyette> in the initial state of the device
[05:15] <tomreyn> then the workaround discussed on the iam.tj site i posted earlier may help
[05:15] <Boyette> it can be still also an ubuntu bug
[05:16] <Boyette> but still if its a firmware bug.. ignore means ignore
[05:16] <Boyette> so ignore is apparently not overruling the initial command
[05:16] <tomreyn> windows tells the firmware that it is windows, linux tells it that it's linux. the firmware may (and often does) treat those differently.
[05:16] <Boyette> that doesnt make sense
[05:17] <Boyette> how can we be sure that logind.conf really works ?
[05:17] <tomreyn> try the workaround. if it doesn't help, come back and ask for someone to help you debug systemd-logind
[05:18] <tomreyn> i spent enough time for now.
[05:18] <Boyette> ok
[05:19] <Boyette> yes thank you very much
[06:27] <Tankburn> hello
[06:44] <baodown> does anyone have a link to vm'ing thru aqemu?
[06:44] <baodown> on ubuntu? it buggy n
[07:03] <CarlFK> baodown: what?
[07:07] <shafox_> Hi i have two hard disk, one ssd and another spin harddisk, the system is booted via ssd, however I am not able to see the 1tb HDD via fdisk -l.
[07:08] <Guest3040> I removed some packages under ubuntu 18.04 and re-installed them. They're not showing up. What gives?
[07:08] <sorin-mihai> what do you mean by "not showing up"?
[07:09] <CarlFK> shafox_:  lets see:  fdisk -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:10] <shafox_> CarlFK: https://termbin.com/3ry7
[07:10] <shafox_> this is what I mean, it only shows up the ssd not the hdd.
[07:11] <Tin_man> what?
[07:12] <shafox_> Both the hard disk are connected to the motherboard.
[07:13] <CarlFK> shafox_: huh.  well... I'm stumped.
[07:13] <Bocaneri> I'm specifically trying to re-install hexchat. It ain't re-installing.
[07:13] <Tin_man> Bocaneri, it's in you
[07:14] <Tin_man> oops
[07:14] <Bocaneri> Very funny.  I'm Sauvin, from ##linux. Suppose I start telling people not to use Ubuntu because it's horrifically and hopelessly confused?
[07:15] <Eliot-1998> -
[07:15] <Tin_man> ok lets go back to hexchat..
[07:15] <Bocaneri> I removed hexchat, and now it's gone, and it wont' re-install.
[07:16] <Eliot-1998> how useing the nick change? /nick [arg] <-?
[07:16] <Tin_man> brb
[07:16] <shafox_> welp!
[07:17] <CarlFK> Eliot-1998: like you said.  /nick eliot-1234
[07:17] <Eliot-1998> roger that
[07:17] <eliot-1234> good man
[07:18] <Crash_Bandicoot> bocna
[07:18] <CarlFK> woo.  I was useful.  now I can get sleep.
[07:18] <Crash_Bandicoot> Bocaneri, sudo apt install xchat-gnome
[07:18] <Bocaneri> No.
[07:18] <Crash_Bandicoot> no?
[07:19] <Bocaneri> xchat-gnome was a horror.
[07:19] <Crash_Bandicoot> oh,well so was my 1st marriage
[07:19] <Bocaneri> Some dillweed at Ubuntu packed the WRONG perl plugin for hexchat. I've removed it, and now I can't re-install it.
[07:20] <Bocaneri> NONE of the plugins are re-installing.
[07:21] <Crash_Bandicoot> how much do u have invested in you (god i hate this keyboard) in you're ubuntu?
[07:21] <Seliot-1991> ㅓ
[07:21] <Bocaneri> In "you're ubuntu"?
[07:22] <baodown> Is Ubuntu not an international community?
[07:23] <baodown> Perhaps that is his dialect's locale, akin to pidgin.
[07:23] <Crash_Bandicoot> can you reinstall without much problems?
[07:24] <baodown> Bocaneri, try purging and installing via dpkg
[07:24] <Bocaneri> I've installed, removed, purged, and re-installed. It ain't happening.
[07:25] <baodown> You can force install with dpkg and a local package. Albeit there may be issues, you can resolve those if they arise
[07:25] <baodown> Sorry, you mean just plugins?
[07:27] <Bocaneri> Why is apt-get purge not removing files?
[07:31] <Bocaneri> How do you get apt-get just to download the .debs?
[07:33] <CarlFK> Bocaneri: --download-only
[07:37] <the2048> I recently installed anoise and it doesn't want to work, how in the world do I get it to play? (it worked once)
[07:40] <Bocaneri> apt-get purge is NOT removing any files.
[07:40] <Ben64> elaborate
[07:40] <sorin-mihai> did you use sudo?
[07:40] <Bocaneri> I did.
[07:41] <Bocaneri> I just did a sudo apt-get purge hexchat hexchat-* and all the stuff is still there.
[07:41] <Ben64> what stuff
[07:41] <sorin-mihai> what was the output of 'sudo apt purge hexchat'?
[07:41] <Bocaneri> Whole bunch of "removing $thing..." followed by a whole bunch of "processing trigger...".
[07:42] <Bocaneri> apt-get clean returns nothing, apt-get check doesn't seem to see an problems. ~/.config/hexchat/* is all still there.
[07:42] <Bocaneri> And I can't get hexchat's plugins to apt-get INSTALL.
[07:42] <sorin-mihai> apt and all the other will never remove files from ~
[07:42] <Ben64> of course it is, apt doesn't remove stuff in your home
[07:42] <Bocaneri> So all it removes are stuff in /usr and suchlike?
[07:43] <sorin-mihai> yeah
[07:43] <Bocaneri> OK... but what about the plugins that won't install? Apt-get says it installs them, but they're not THERE.
[07:44] <sorin-mihai> move/backup ~/.config/hexchat and start over
[07:44] <Ben64> what plugins, where do you expect to find them
[07:44] <Bocaneri> In /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hexchat/plugins
[07:44] <xmetal> esp if they are "hexchat plugins" after you removed hexchat itself
[07:45] <Bocaneri> Just did another purge and another install. dpkg says the plugins are installed. ls disagrees.
[07:46] <sorin-mihai> there was a command to list files included in a package, can't recall it now
[07:46] <Ben64> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hexchat/plugins/
[07:46] <Bocaneri> Yup.
[07:46] <Ben64> note that path is not the path you posted
[07:46] <Bocaneri> Wait.... let me look...
[07:46] <sorin-mihai> dpkg-query -L
[07:47] <sorin-mihai> dpkg-query -L some_package
[07:47] <Bocaneri> You know what, you're right. I shouldn't have been looking in /usr/local for stuff apt-get installs.
[07:48] <sorin-mihai> now, if the plugins don't get loaded when you start hexchat, that is most likely because of the config
[07:49] <Bocaneri> Yeah, well, sometimes this is what I need: for somebody to bash me over the head and say "Look at where you ARE, doofus!"
 I'd forgotten I'd HAD a hexchat in /usr/local..
[07:55] <sauvin> ... which, of course, precedes /usr/bin in the PATH.
[07:55] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | liquid-silence
[07:58] <niko1990> Hello everyone
[07:59] <sorin-mihai> sauvin, half of my arch system is built from source (well, aur packages, but that's the same thing) and yet i have nothing in /usr/local. i think the trick here is to build the packages in a way so that their files actually go in the standard locations, or build .deb packages before installing and not using just make install (which should obviously put files in /usr/local)
[08:00] <sauvin> sorin-mihai, you've just seen what happens when I'm a Good Boy and make sure the prefix is set to /usr/local. I don't WANT to know what'll happen if I start littering directories dpkg manages.
[08:01] <Vuurdraak> hi everybody, when i try to install (any) graphics driver, i see a "Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed." , when i do: "sudo apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)" it says: "Picking 'linux-signed' as source package instead of 'linux-image-4.4.0-143-generic'" and the system keeps saying no kernel source installed
[08:03] <sorin-mihai> sauvin, what would happen if you keep installing that kind of stuff in /usr/local, but have it managed with .deb packages that are in a separate group, say 'local'?
[08:03] <ducasse> Vuurdraak: install the kernel headers
[08:04] <niko1990> I have a question: I'm running ubuntu 18.04 LTS. Something that is going a little bit on my nerves is: I'm used to go with the file-explorer into a folder and then type the first letters of the folder that I'm looking for. I like the default Nautilus file-explorer, but it always opens a search when I type something in, instead just jumping to this folder. Is there a way to change this behavior?
[08:04] <Vuurdraak> ducasse, it says they are already installed
[08:04] <Vuurdraak> i'll do a --reinstall just incase
[08:07] <Vuurdraak> noop same error, maybe i broke something whne somebody told me to install another kernel line/version 4.15 and removed it ?.?
[08:08] <Tin_man> Vuurdraak, how much do have invested?
[08:08] <Vuurdraak> invested ?
[08:10] <beanfrog> Im not sure how I missed it but OEM install + nomodeset seems to be the working configuration to install ubuntu for me
[08:10] <sauvin> sorinello, I can't say. I'm not expert with apt or dpkg.
[08:13] <Vuurdraak> i fear that as soon as i boot i wont be able to get back in to a working linux envirmoment, as atm every driver i try to install seems to warn that i towont install the moudules due to missing kernel source
[08:14] <yvyz> Vuurdraak: `sudo apt-get install linux-source`
[08:15] <yvyz> Just read up a little bit
[08:16] <Vuurdraak> yvyz, ah that did some ting new at least :D
[08:16] <yvyz> You might have to verify the linux image you loaded into. That means knowing with initramfs file your GRUB is pointing to and you are loaded into. Double check what is configured in your /etc/default/grub and then verify /boot/grub/grub.cfg. You may need to `mkinitcpio -o linux` again to rebuild your initramfs.
[08:18] <yvyz> GRUB can list a number of ramfs files in your /boot folder. Sometimes if you install a different kernel, your GRUB is either not set to point to it, or the ramfs for that kernel has not been regenereted for your system requirements/software/driver installs.
[08:18] <Vuurdraak> im still getting the same dkms error
[08:18] <yvyz> NVIDIA?>
[08:19] <Vuurdraak> kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed.
[08:19] <Vuurdraak> yes im ddoing a: sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-41
[08:19] <Vuurdraak> 8
[08:19] <yvyz> purge nvidia first
[08:20] <sauvin> What's the secret to getting a usable VLC under 18.04?
[08:20] <yvyz> and lets verify which kernel you booted into
[08:20] <Vuurdraak> yvyz, purging nvidia*
[08:21] <Vuurdraak> done
[08:21] <yvyz> Vuurdraak: the important part here is to note that the software available on your file system may not have been integrated into your initramfs. This is achieved by verifying /etc/mkinitcpio.conf has the correct hooks and modules loaded that you need.
[08:22] <yvyz> mkinitcpio creates the initramfs that GRUB points to, which is your kernel in a gzip file, which is laoded into memory... and provides you linux functionality.
[08:23] <yvyz> Getting you BACK onto the correct kernel (GRUB pointing to the correct ramfs in /boot) will probably fix part of your issue, and then the second half will be verifying that THAT ramfs has been built correctly without issue.
[08:23] <Vuurdraak> i dont see a mkinitcpio.conf
[08:24] <yvyz> For debian/ubuntu it should be in /etc/initramfs/initramfs.conf
[08:24] <yvyz> it also dynamically pulls configuration files from /etc/initramfs/conf.d and /etc/initramfs/conf-hooks.d
[08:25] <yvyz> Vuurdraak: run `sudo update-initramfs` and see what it does or errors on.
[08:26] <Vuurdraak> it says i need to put in an option :)
[08:27] <yvyz> give it a -u flag
[08:28] <yvyz> and if you want to verbose everything it is doing -vu
[08:28] <Vuurdraak> i just did a  -v -u -k all
[08:29] <beanfrog> how do you go about finding which keyboard layout is your laptops? I cannot see it in the list
[08:30] <Ben64> look at the order of the keys
[08:30] <Ben64> or do the thing where you type the characters it asks for and it figures it out
[08:31] <Vuurdraak> owww im noticing something
[08:32] <Vuurdraak> it is saying stuff about the other kernel i tried to remove
[08:32] <yvyz> I am guessing you hand removed the orinal ramfs file?
[08:32] <Vuurdraak> yvyz,    previously somebody in here had me tried to install the 4.15.0-46-generic kernel
[08:33] <Vuurdraak> to get it out of grub i removed the files from the boot dir
[08:33] <Vuurdraak> so that it would boot again to to the old kernel when i refreshed grub
[08:34] <Vuurdraak> i guess by doing that i have broken something so that the system still thinks stuff from the 4.15 kernel is still there
[08:34] <yvyz> it is important to verify that the kernel you want to run, with the drivers you need, has its ramfs built accordingly, grub pointing to it correctly etc.
[08:35] <Vuurdraak> even though i thought i had purge the 4.15 kernel
[08:36] <yvyz> Well 1) Your kernel does not come with source and headers, your kernel comes compiled... basically. 2) If something complains you need linux source/headers you can install it with the command I gave before.
[08:36] <Vuurdraak> yvyz, how do i go about this
[08:36] <yvyz> When flipping between kernels you just want to make sure the initramfs was updated with the MODULES=() and HOOKS=() flags YOU require.
[08:36] <Vuurdraak> i have installed --reinstalled source and headeers as previously mentioned
[08:37] <Vuurdraak> well i purged the 4.15 kernel as it was not working properly with drivers, but the image of the kernel after that was still in the boot dir so grub kept it as the default kerne;
[08:38] <Vuurdraak> i then manualy deleted that kernel so that grub pointed again to the 4.4 kernel
[08:38] <Vuurdraak> so i dont want to flip between kernels, i want to original ubuntu kernel back (wich is installed in theory and running atm)
[08:39] <Vuurdraak> i dont know how to go about to repair it
[08:40] <Vuurdraak> do i need to tell initramfs to rebuild something with the current kernel ?
[08:40] <yvyz> Well so far you have no, supposedly, updated said kernel wiht the parameters set forth within /etc/initramfs/initramfs.conf AND updated it.
[08:41] <yvyz> Yes, it should take the current running kernel image file, and update just that one with the parameters you set.
[08:41] <yvyz> If it is the ONLY kernel, and GRUB is pointing to it already... you should be fine after a reboot.
[08:41] <ublast> when connecting to my external HD on my local network, it is asking for my DOMAIN and WORKGROUP is in the field but it is NOT working, thoughts
[08:42] <Vuurdraak> the problem is that im not fine though cause if i boot i have no longer a graphics driver instlled
[08:42] <yvyz> The key difference, and thing to note, between each kernel you have saved in /boot and want to load is just the kernel versions. Normally, between kernels (except for say a recovery kernel with minimal drivers), every kernel you generate will require the hooks/modules for your system.
[08:42] <yvyz> That being said, NVIDIA usually has nvidia_dkms, nvidia_modeset, etc for kernel ramfs hooks
[08:42]  * ublast waits his turn
[08:43] <yvyz> Vuurdraak: You have kernel source downloaded, and you have purged nvidia. Can you try installing nvidia again?
[08:44] <yvyz> ublast: and external hd on the network? DOMAIN\username
[08:44] <Vuurdraak> i tried that already a couple of times and the modules refuse to build dispite having the source installed
[08:44] <yvyz> ublast: Is it a SAMBA share? a network share?
[08:45] <yvyz> Vuurdraak: apt-get autoremove and autoclean and update in that order.
[08:46] <ublast> network share (I believe) I can see the drive through a simple FILES program but am NOT able to access and the only thing I am uncertain of is what it means by Domain
[08:47] <yvyz> ublast: SAMBA/network shares are shared as a windows domain or windows workgroup. If the machine sharing is a single server not on a windows domain, the HOSTNAME of that machine is generally its domain.
[08:47] <yvyz> ublast: Which means it can be something like WIN712412F\username AS your username.
[08:48] <yvyz> ublast: If it is on a domain than your username field will the THEDOMAIN\username
[08:48] <ublast> OK so I am trying to access said HD that is connected to my WiFi Router
[08:48] <yvyz> ublast: Your wifi router should provide you instructions on how to log into it accordingly.
[08:52] <Vuurdraak> !paste
[08:56] <d0tsun7> is there a typical reason "lvcreate" would return "Insufficient free space: X extents needed, but only 0 available" when there are free extents within the volume group?
[08:56] <d0tsun7> "sudo vgs -o +vg_free_count" returns "7455" under the free column
[08:56] <Vuurdraak> yvyz, maybe im mis interperting the output and modules are getting build for 4.4 kernel but the error is for the missing 4.15 kernel ? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CnzfGrGvhp/
[08:57] <d0tsun7> appreciate any pointers on this
[08:57] <Vuurdraak> cause i just noticed it is saying something about trying to build also for the 4.15 kernel
[09:00] <yvyz> Vuurdraak: please reference your /etc/initramfs/initramfs-tools folder for anything related to your old kernel
[09:00] <yvyz> err
[09:00] <yvyz> Vuurdraak: /etc/initramfs-tools
[09:05] <blackflow> Vuurdraak: can you pastebin the output of `dpkg -l 'linux-*' | grep "^ii "`  please?
[09:05] <Vuurdraak> k
[09:07] <Vuurdraak> yvyz, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZRkKzWn33K/
[09:08] <Vuurdraak> i dont want the 4.15 kernel, but i guess it is still referenced somewhere n a config file
[09:09] <blackflow> Vuurdraak: what's teh currently running kernel? please post here uname -r   (it's one line)
[09:09] <blackflow> it seems as if 4.15.x is and you don't have headers for it installed
[09:09] <Vuurdraak> blackflow, uname -r
[09:09] <Vuurdraak> oops
[09:10] <Vuurdraak> 4.4.0-143-generic
[09:10] <Ben64> it says ii so seems like it's installed, just run purge or remove for that name?
[09:10] <Stadtpirat> Hey, I booted into recovery mode and need the root file system to be mounted as read-only. I tried "mount -o remount,ro /dev/sda2 /" but it says, mount point is busy. Do I have any way to do this without resorting to a live cd?
[09:10] <Vuurdraak> im guessing that the modules where actualy build for that kernel, but that the error is for the purged and later manulay deleted 4.15 kernel
[09:11] <Vuurdraak> if so its all okay
[09:11] <blackflow> Vuurdraak: I think maybe that message is misleading. Try installing linux-headers-4.15.0-46-generic    and try again
[09:11] <EriC^^> Stadtpirat: by default it isread only
[09:12] <Stadtpirat> EriC^^, when I start zerofree, it says that ir's mounted rw
[09:12] <Vuurdraak> yeh i purged the 4.15 kernel, and later removed it by hand from the boot dir so grub would not load the 4.15 kernel but went back to the 4.4 one
[09:12] <Ben64> Vuurdraak: you didn't purge it, because it shows up as installed
[09:12] <blackflow> Vuurdraak: yeah something like that. The "currently running kernel" is perhaps misleading (maybe it's checking "latest version" only)
[09:12] <Vuurdraak> well i tried to purge it, but apperntly it didnt do iot properly idk
[09:12] <blackflow> Vuurdraak: yeah the 4.15 kernel image is still installed.
[09:13] <Vuurdraak> how should i purge it ?
[09:13] <Ben64> sudo apt purge linux-image-4.15.0-46-generic
[09:13] <Ben64> also, why don't you want 4.15
[09:14] <Vuurdraak> rmdir: failed to remove '/lib/modules/4.15.0-46-generic': Directory not empty
[09:14] <Vuurdraak> cause it had a problem with all graphics drivers
[09:14] <Ben64> all?
[09:14] <blackflow> Vuurdraak: btw HWE kernels require HWE xorg, did you upgrade that too?
[09:14] <Vuurdraak> and i had to fall back to nvidia 384 driver when the kernel updated to <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:15] <Vuurdraak> cause the extra graphics ppa had a bug
[09:15] <Vuurdraak> no i didnt do other upgrades, im happy with the 4.4 kernel
[09:15] <blackflow> oh wait, you have nvidia, ignore my last comment
[09:15] <Ben64> i'm on 4.15 and nvidia, no problems
[09:15] <Vuurdraak> i just tried to installed the 4.15 kernel to see if that solved the graphics driver isue but it made it worse
[09:16] <Vuurdraak> maybe it was not done correctly
[09:16] <Ben64> definitely
[09:16] <kubkde> Vuurdraak, "rmdir: failed to remove '/lib/modules/4.15.0-46-generic': Directory not empty" is fine
[09:17] <kubkde> If apt exited without error and using 'apt list --installed | $pkgname' doesn't show it, then it's been removed. If it hasn't, you can use 'sudo rm /lib/modules/4.15.0-46-generic -r'
[09:17] <Vuurdraak> mm i t keeps saying that it is seeing a 4.15 kernel somewhere ah well -shrugs-
[09:18] <Ben64> what is "it"
[09:18] <kubkde> If Nvidia isn't installing try downloading the 'extra' package for external modules
[09:18] <Vuurdraak> when i --reinstall the nivida-418 driver
[09:18] <kubkde> Are you using dkms Vuurdraak?
[09:18] <Ben64> does 4.15 still pop up on the install list
[09:18] <Ben64> if so, keep purging
[09:19] <Vuurdraak> yes im using dkms
[09:19] <Vuurdraak> this is the outout of the driver install: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CnzfGrGvhp/
[09:20] <Vuurdraak> but i guess i was misreading the output and the warning of mosules not being build is for the non exsisting 4.15 kernel nad the modules for the 4.4 kernel are actualy build
[09:20] <blackflow> yup
[09:20] <Vuurdraak> so its okay
[09:21] <blackflow> well not quite, it still thinks there's 4.15 to be built against so -- if you don't wanna run 4.15 -- you should purge it all
[09:21] <Vuurdraak> i just purde it but it was complaining about the non empty dir or what ever idk
[09:21] <blackflow> dpkg -l 'linux-*' | grep "^ii " | grep 4.15
[09:22] <Vuurdraak> purge*
[09:22] <Vuurdraak> k
[09:22] <kubkde> I run Nvidia fine on 4.18. The problem is likely with DKMS. You can edit the config to change kernel source but I think instead you should try installing 4.18 with the extra modules package, then installing Nvidia there
[09:22] <kubkde> Vuurdraak, can you pastebin the error you get?
[09:22] <kubkde> I think I got a grasp on this bc I went through the same thing yesterday lol
[09:23] <blackflow> they have, twice, scroll up
[09:23] <Vuurdraak> ii  linux-modules-4.15.0-46-generic        4.15.0-46.49~16.04.1  amd64        Linux kernel extra modules for version 4.15.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP
[09:23] <blackflow> Vuurdraak: there we go. try to `apt purge linux-modules-4.15.0-46-generic`
[09:24] <Vuurdraak> no errors this time :)
[09:24] <blackflow> Vuurdraak: and apt autoremove --purge    if there's any leftover unneded dependencies.
[09:24] <Vuurdraak> and the output of: apt purge linux-modules-4.15.0-46-generic ,now is empty
[09:24] <blackflow> now your dkms build (or simply reinstall nvidia) should build for just one kernel
[09:25] <Vuurdraak> --reinstall ing driver
[09:26] <Vuurdraak> hurray \o/ no more errors :D
[09:26] <Vuurdraak> indeed now it builds just for the <IP_ADDRESS> kernel
[09:26] <Vuurdraak> thanks :D
[09:26] <blackflow> yeah that error was misleading a bit.
[09:27] <Vuurdraak> i guess i had no problem in rela :D and i could just boot as the modules where actualy being build before for the 4.4 kernel, but the error message for the 4.15 kernel made me think the 4.4 modules where not getting build, thanks for the help everybody :)
[09:29] <kubkde> :D as a tip, install the extra modules package so you can install drivers like Nvidia when you change kernels
[09:29] <Vuurdraak> 418 is from the extra graphics ppa
[09:30] <Vuurdraak> but they had not updated packaes properly when the <IP_ADDRESS>3 was released, wich prompted me to try the 4.15 kernel
[09:30] <Vuurdraak> but the new drivers now work properly on the 413 kernel
[09:36] <kubkde> Oh strange....4.4 isn't that long ago, either. Maybe DKMS didn't support that kernel version.
[09:37] <kubkde> If you are so willing, you could try 4.18 kernel. From my exp it seems to run better for graphics rendering (youtube lol). It shouldn't break your current working drivers, if it fails it will only fail for 4.18
[09:37] <Vuurdraak> idk something changed from <IP_ADDRESS>2 to 413, that broke the extra graphics ppa drivers, i had to fall back to the 384 nvidia driver from the main ubuntu ppa
[09:37] <Vuurdraak> but it seems fixed now
[09:38] <Vuurdraak> i reported that also before when the 413 kernel came out herre
[09:38] <Vuurdraak> but its fixed now :)
[09:39] <kubkde> ^^
[09:40] <anovelli> hola
[09:40] <anovelli> soy de Peru
[09:40] <anovelli> de Lima
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> !es | anovelli
[09:41] <anovelli> Hi
[09:41] <anovelli> my name is Antonio
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> anovelli: you joined the ubuntu support channel antonio
[09:42] <anovelli> I`m from Lima, Peru
[09:47] <anonymouse> hi
[09:47] <anonymouse> why?
[10:00] <Vuurdraak> !offtopic
[10:32] <wudizuijunlang> hello
[10:32]  * ublast nods
[10:33] <wudizuijunlang> ?
[10:33] <guiverc> wudizuijunlang, if you have a Ubuntu Support question, please just ask it.  Try and keep to a single line, and be patient as people who can help will when they can.
[11:22] <mra90> how can I read a DSP memory, its a PCI device?
[11:54] <uBlast> Good morning 🌞
[11:56] <uBlast> Try this again
[11:58] <mra90> I try to read a PCI device memory by "hexdump 0xADDRESS /dev/mem" - is it ok, will it give me memory of that device I mena strating from 0xADDRESS?
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> !rootirc | rui
[12:09] <kubkde> When chrooting, is there an importance on kernel version?
[12:11] <raver> !rootirc | raver
[12:12] <raver> lotuspsychje, what does it mean?
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> raver: did you read it?
[12:14] <raver> yea but don't understand does it mean my irc daemon should not run as root?
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> raver: your irc deamon?
[12:15] <raver> biboumi
[12:15] <raver> with ejabberd
[12:16] <raver> ejabberd does not run as root but biboumi does
[12:16] <raver> no
[12:16] <raver> wait
[12:16] <raver> they both do not run as root
[12:17] <lotuspsychje> raver: if you read the line, it explains it all
[12:17] <raver> so i dont understand the info
[12:17] <lotuspsychje> raver: it means running things as root 'can' be a security flaw/risk
[12:17] <raver> there is nothing that runs with root.
[12:18] <raver> thatswhy i don't understand the info
[12:18] <raver> where does it come from?
[12:18] <raver> my user is a 'normal' xmpp user
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> raver: i never forwarded this to you..
[12:18] <raver> i  checked for myself and got the same result...
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> raver: the info was meant for rui
[12:18] <raver> i know
[12:18] <raver> i replaced rui with raver
[12:19] <raver> and got same result in a personal message
[12:19] <raver> but my irc bridge runs as regular user and ejabberd too
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> raver: rui joined with root as ident
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> raver: * rui<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined
[12:21] <raver> ah i see so
[12:21] <raver> ! rootirc just shows a message
[12:21] <raver> and does not perform any checks
[12:21] <raver> :)
[12:22] <lotuspsychje> raver: in most cases it means the user connected irc after being root
[12:22] <raver> thanks for clarification :)
[12:22] <lotuspsychje> raver: no, its just a security warning, the user should logout, join back as regular user
[12:23] <raver> thanks now I understand :)
[12:23] <raver> so the message is sent automatically when a user joins with<EMAIL_ADDRESS>right?
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> raver: no, its a factoid volunteers can use when notice someone runs as root
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> !brain > raver
[12:25] <snpresent> hi
[12:25] <raver> ah okay. do
[12:25] <raver> thank you :O)
[12:25] <lotuspsychje> welcome raver
[12:25] <lotuspsychje> how can we help you snpresent ?
[12:26] <snpresent> you know when i play overwatch game on ubuntu
[12:26] <snpresent> wayland make my mouse better than xorg
[12:27] <snpresent> why?
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> snpresent: i noticed a difference too on touchpad between xorg & wayland
[12:27] <snpresent> why ubuntu not help to develop wayland?
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> snpresent: think you better join #ubuntu-discuss for that topic
[12:28] <snpresent> yeah
[12:28] <snpresent> thanks
[12:51] <Guest41368> hey,how to install wine on xubuntu
[12:56] <Sushi-san> Guest41368, #xubuntu
[12:57] <Sushi-san> This channel is for ubuntu, use the specific distro channel instead
[13:16] <uBlast> Ne1 here
[14:03] <skyw4lk3r> .
[14:03] <skyw4lk3r> I have bee
[14:05] <skyw4lk3r> I have been trying to install ubuntu inside android via chroot using linux deploy. how do I get the vnc GUI to work?
[14:14] <bipul> Hi
[14:15] <bipul> May i know the source link for this package "virtualbox/bionic-updates,bionic-security,now 5.2.18-dfsg-2~ubuntu18.04.3 amd64"
[14:16] <Sushi-san> bipul, it's one of the first entries on google, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+changelog
[14:19] <bipul> Sushi-san, So i believe when we use apt-get install to download it fetches from here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/4.3.40-dfsg-0ubuntu14.04.1  ??
[14:21] <ducasse> bipul: it gets it from whatever mirror you have in your sources
[14:23] <bipul> I just wants to download from the mirror
[14:23] <bipul> ducasse, Can you suggest any mirror?
[14:23] <ducasse> bipul: see your sources.list
[14:25] <bipul> okay thank you ducasse and Sushi-san
[14:41] <Burek> how "safe" is to install 19.04 now?
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> Burek: 19.04 support in #ubuntu+1 please
[14:43] <Burek> i don't need support tho
[14:43] <Burek> but ok, i appreciate it. thanks
[14:49] <ducasse> Burek: all questions about the current development release belong in that channel
[14:50] <Burek> noted. sorry for offtopic
[15:16] <gislaved> anyone know about this when trying to install glusterd2 ?
[15:16] <gislaved> glusterd2 : Depends: glusterfs-common (>= 4.1.0) but it is not going to be installed
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> gislaved: wich ubuntu release are you on please
[15:17] <anibic> Will I get help of Opera browser here ?
[15:17] <gislaved> lotuspsychje 18.04
[15:18] <gislaved> I added: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gluster/glusterfs-6 works
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> gislaved: we dont really support external ppa's sorry, ask the maintainer
[15:18] <lordcirth_> gislaved, the general trick to debugging this sort of error is to try installing the dependency,  and keep going until it tells you why.
[15:19] <gislaved> lordcirth_ I know... mhh weird, when I install glusterd2 I cannot mount a flusterfs filetype
[15:19] <gislaved> I mean filesystem, it's unknown... why that ?
[15:20] <lordcirth_> gislaved, /j #gluster
[15:20] <gislaved> lordcirth_ could ask, channel is deal like hell
[15:20] <anibic> My opera browser does not play streaming videos on VPN mode
[15:20] <lordcirth_> gislaved, ask, and be patient :)
[15:21] <gislaved> lordcirth_ I think they moved to slack as well ? can wait forever then :D
[15:23] <gislaved> lordcirth_ fixed :)  utime is in 4+ I think
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> anibic: there's a lot of web browsers supported on ubuntu you can choose from
[15:23] <anibic> I need VPN
[15:23] <anibic> only Opera has free VPN
[15:28] <gislaved> lordcirth_ you use gluster ?
[15:28] <Dragon1964> Good Morning, I am currently using Ubuntu 19.04 and am unable to locate folder properties to set folders to one click behavior. It seems to have moved from 18.10. Anyone know if its still available somewhere?
[15:28] <gislaved> twf, is 19.04 there already ?
[15:28] <kostkon> !ubuntu+1 | Dragon1964
[15:29] <Dragon1964> ok ty
[15:44] <lordcirth_> gislaved, Not at the moment, but I keep an eye on it. We have a Ceph cluster in prod at $WORK
[15:48] <sappheiros> a pjmedia webpage's advertising locked up my latitude d620 i386 lubuntu installation. is there a text browser i can use? or can images and scripts be disabled by default in firefox with a prompt to enable?
[15:48] <sappheiros> how can i browse the Internet on an old laptop without the risk of a webpage's ads freezing up my computer?
[15:49] <lordcirth_> sappheiros, install ublock origin and PrivacyBadger
[15:49] <sappheiros> firefox extensions that work with 32-bit firefox?
[15:49] <lordcirth_> Probably? Haven't used 32bit in ages.
[15:51] <sappheiros> firefox recommends Ghostery
[15:51] <sappheiros> why is ublock origin > Ghostery?
[15:52] <lordcirth_> sappheiros, ghostery focuses on blocking tracking, ublock on blocking ads. So if your main concern is resource consumption, ublock is probably more useful.
[15:53] <sappheiros> lordcirth_: Ghostery claims to be comprehensive and do both.
[15:54] <lordcirth_> Ah, guess I haven't used it in a while.
[16:02] <sentiment> hi
[16:02] <sentiment> I finally upgraded to 18.10
[16:02] <sentiment> now the theme and colors have changed to a an almost monochrome one
[16:02] <sentiment> and the orange has gone totally
[16:02] <sentiment> is this normal?
[16:03] <sentiment> I mean it's not bad at all. In fact I like the new monochrome icons
[16:04] <sentiment> but I thought this could be due to some bad config or update
[16:06] <Lope> my ubuntu / is on a luks LVM LV, which I setup using the GUI installer. What is the thing that asks for the LUKS password, and where is it configured?
[16:07] <xamithan> you mean dm-crypt?
[16:07] <rypervenche> Lope: Do you have a real question behind this? Is there something you want to change or need help with?
[16:10] <Lope> I want to know how it works.
[16:11] <lordcirth_> Lope, the executable is 'cryptsetup'
[16:11] <Lope> How the boot process is configured with regards to asking for the LUKS password and decrypting stuff for the kernel to boot it.
[16:11] <Lope> Is it configured in grub or initramfs etc?
[16:12] <lordcirth_> Lope, you may find this helpful: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt
[16:27] <sappheiros_> I tried to install brave instead of a firefox addon so i could block only pjmedia and allow ads on all other sites, but am I correct in understanding there still is no 32-bit version?
[16:30] <teward> sappheiros_: correct they do not have an i386 version.  They do have an amd64 version.
[16:33] <Scytale89> doing a release upgrade to disco dingo, will it update itself to the release version without upgrading to itself automatically to coming developer versions?
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> Scytale89: 19.04 support in #ubuntu+1 please
[16:35] <Scytale89> aye aye
[16:35] <sappheiros> Scytale89: what do you mean?
[16:48] <qwebirc16687> How can I reset login password on ubuntu-server?
[16:56] <qwebirc16687> Is it possible to reset login password on ubuntu-server?
[16:58] <ub3g33k> Boot into single mode, and from there you can reset it.  Or, chroot into the system via a live cd
[17:21] <uBlast> Hello
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> welcome uBlast
[17:22] <uBlast> Thanks lotuspsychje
[17:22] <uBlast> Slow going?
[17:48] <CyberManifest> I'm using Ubuntu on an ARM device; my manufacture doesn't have a IRC channel so would it be alright to direct questions / inquiries here or can someone direct me to an appropriate channel for Khadas VIM 2 Max support/community ?
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> !arm | CyberManifest
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> CyberManifest: is it running ubuntu?
[17:49] <hexpop> Este canal é em PTBR?
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> !br | hexpop
[17:51] <CyberManifest> lotuspsychje, yes
[17:51] <CyberManifest> Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 • Memory: Physical: 2.9 GiB Total (1.6 GiB Free) Swap: 1.4 GiB Total (1.4 GiB Free) • Storage: 10.2 GB / 64.9 GB (54.7 GB Free) • Uptime: 10h 42m 28s
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> CyberManifest: arm channel it is then :p
[17:52] <CyberManifest> ubottu, thank you for the channel ;) and this is for a General Purpose SBC so no handheld or network device (other than onboard networking)
[17:53] <CyberManifest> lotuspsychje, ^^
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> np
[17:53] <Ben64> CyberManifest: there's also ##linux
[17:53] <Ben64> dunno how active the arm channel is
[17:53] <CyberManifest> Ben64, already there
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> yeah 37 users on sunday might not be splendid
[17:54] <mailman> hello world
[17:55] <CyberManifest> although I wish I could get more device specific help... the inxi software available in this implementation of Ubuntu repos is greatly out of date and thus reporting errors... http://dpaste.com/138FMRP
[17:58] <mailman> why don't have people talking?
[17:59] <lordcirth_> mailman, because no one has anything to say?
[17:59] <mailman> just play something
[18:00] <mailman> I want to get back my linux to work on IRC
[18:00] <mailman> I have a problem right now
[18:00] <mailman> as my location in taiwan but I can't get connect
[18:01] <mailman> I need to pass by VPN to other locations and make the tor login
[18:19] <lordcirth_> mailman, I have no idea what you are trying to say, sorry.
[18:27] <mailman> I have use hexchat application on blackbox linux
[18:28] <mailman> I have try to connect freenode server with local network
[18:29] <mailman> it say Closeed Link: <my_ipv6.dynamic.ip6.isp.net> SASL access only
[18:29] <mailman> and tell me remote host closed socket
[18:30] <mailman> but when I try to pass to VPN it can work
[18:30] <jeremy31> mailman: you have to register a nick
[18:31] <mailman> where to get this plz
[18:31] <mailman> the NickServ command?
[18:31] <jeremy31> mailman you will need to /join #freenode and ask for mailman to be dropped
[18:31] <mailman> ok
[18:32] <mailman> I got to try for ask you're welcome
[18:32] <jeremy31> mailman once they release the nick see https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=266175&p=1447219#p1447219
[19:02] <ryahi_skaprinav> Anyone know the irc channel of tensorflow?
[19:04] <kubkde> Is 'corrupted low memory' pertaining to current state of RAM or the actual RAM itself? It gets spammed when I start to run out and swap is >1GB. But memtest checks out ok
[19:04] <sentiment> hi
[19:05] <sentiment> after upgrading to 18.10 from .04, the icons have become monochrome
[19:05] <SwedeMike> kubkde: it seems to be unrelated to your amount of ram: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=189483
[19:05] <sentiment> and the theme overall has changed alot i.e the orange color has totally gone
[19:10] <sentiment> https://imgur.com/GEJEug7
[19:10] <sentiment> like this ^
[19:10] <OerHeks> -/clear
[19:11] <kubkde> SwedeMike, there's even a fix for it too. Thanks for the link
[19:11] <isofud> so what's the deal with snap? is this the new ubuntu software?
[19:13] <CookieM> one can call it a new vector of software deployment
[19:13] <mailman> hi
[19:13] <sentiment> anyone else has the same problem?
[19:14] <OerHeks> isofud, interesting, what did you find out sofar?
[19:14] <isofud> OerHeks, one can call it a new vector of software deployment
[19:14] <isofud> :)
[19:14] <isofud> me learn
[19:16] <bipul> Hi, I am looking for some way to install Ubuntu server silently on Virtualbox. Do anyone here knows how to do that?
[19:16] <isofud> sorry my english nicht so gut, but why you say "this application unofficial" for slack in ubuntu software?
[19:17] <isofud> developer is slack and verified
[19:18] <isofud> me install anyhow
[19:18] <OerHeks> bipul, preseeding files might be your answer, https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/example-preseed.txt
[19:18] <sentiment> isofud: gut nicht :D
[19:18] <isofud> oh nein, it steal my information now
[19:19] <bipul> Does that preseed installation works successfully with Ubuntu server 18.04?
[19:20] <OerHeks> bipul if you fill it in the right way, yes
[19:20] <OerHeks> go for support to #ubuntu-server
[19:21] <bipul> OerHeks, Oh, Do you like to share any working example? Because it's second time i am attempting
[19:21] <bipul> And where to store this pressed file?
[19:22] <OerHeks> bipul, there is a guide, https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/amd64/apbs01.html, i have no example, support in ubuntu-server please
[19:23] <bipul> Okay thank you/
[19:24] <OerHeks> with virtualbox i would setup, and clone a vm
[19:25] <bipul> Yes, but the first VM should be installed via pressed.
[19:37] <isofud> me cannot drag a picture file to slack if slack minimized :(
[19:37] <isofud> how to do? help
[19:44] <OerHeks> isofud, slack is prop. software, they want you to open slack to drop stuff
[19:47] <isofud> in contrast to what?
[19:49] <OerHeks> isofud, ??
[19:49] <isofud> OerHeks, Files?
[19:49] <OerHeks> there are tons of open collaborative tools out there, prop software is not someting i appreciate and support
[19:49] <isofud> Files is not proprietary? is it?
[19:50] <OerHeks> slack is ..
[19:50] <lordcirth_> isofud, "Files" is nautilus, which is FOSS. Slack is proprietary.
[19:50] <isofud> ok let's get over slack now
[19:50] <isofud> let's talk about Files instead
[19:51] <isofud> i have the same problem there
[19:51] <isofud> 1 window minimized, 1 window open
[19:51] <lordcirth_> isofud, so, you want to click and drag a file to a minimized nautilus window?
[19:52] <isofud> i want to drag and drop a picture file from opened window to minimized window
[19:52] <isofud> yes lord
[19:52] <Xliff> Has Disco hit the update servers, yet? I've seen articles that I can upgrade from 18.10, but I've followed the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DiscoUpgrades
[19:53] <Xliff> Currently I am getting "No new release found."
[19:53] <OerHeks> Xliff, yes, but support in #ubuntu+1 until release
[19:53] <isofud> Xliff, error: you are late to the party, disco ended in the 80s
[19:54] <Xliff> isofud: Disco will never die. It will just strut along all zombie like.
[19:54] <Xliff> OerHeks: Thanks.
[19:54] <OerHeks> isofud, how helpfull :-(
[19:54] <isofud> stayin alive :p
[19:54] <OerHeks> !ot
[19:54] <Xliff> isofud: :D
[19:55] <lordcirth_> isofud, as I recall, hovering over a minimized window while dragging opens the window. Does that not work for you?
[19:56] <isofud> oh lord how i tried that
[19:56] <isofud> i gave it good 10 seconds
[19:56] <isofud> even tried to bribe it with ctrl, alt, super
[19:56] <isofud> it just won't do it
[19:58] <isofud> isofud, you are doing it wrong: you have to use ctrl+x to cut the file to clipboard, then click on the minimized window to open it, and then use ctrl+v to move it where you want it
[19:58] <isofud> thank you isofud, that's very useful...
[20:01] <isofud> lol i tried to join #ubuntu-social, and it's invite only... how social
[20:02] <OerHeks> only support channels allow non registered guests
[20:02] <OerHeks> !register
[20:03] <isofud> nah, i'm good
[20:04] <isofud> OerHeks, so how about them windowy things? drag and drop between minimized and non-minimized windows no can do?
[20:05] <OerHeks> seems like it is not possible, and logical to me
[20:06] <isofud> ah ok, that's what i wanted to know, if it's logical... must be something wrong with me then
[20:07] <isofud> OerHeks, logical how? give me your best
[20:11] <isofud> who's helping whom here? you me or moi vous?
[20:13] <isofud> do people join this channel to offer help and support or to learn from mistakes by idiots like me who can't navigate windows?
[20:14] <isofud> even opinions would help
[20:15] <isofud> i really want to understand the beauty behind this wonderful logic that prevents a user from dropping a file onto a minimized window
[20:17] <isofud> i for instance am not afraid to call that a design flaw
[20:19] <isofud> not too unlike the way you can't restore a minimized window by clicking on its button on the dock
[20:21] <isofud> and it took what... 6 years for ubuntu/gnome/whatever to finally allow us to put the dock where it belongs without the use of third party software: at the bottom
[20:21] <martinrame> Hi, I'm using xubuntu 16.04 on a leonovo x220, everything works wonderfully but the trackpad. It's not recognized, the trackpoint works ok.
[20:22] <isofud> that's wonderful
[20:22] <isofud> have you tried turning it off and on again?
[20:23] <martinrame> isofud: are you talking to me?
[20:24] <isofud> martinrame, maybe? :)
[20:24] <martinrame> isofud: ok, how can i turn off/on the trackpad?
[20:25] <isofud> martinrame, turn the computer off and then on again?
[20:26] <martinrame> no, that's obviously don't work, I did this many times.
[20:26] <James_Epp> martinrame: T420 owner here. I've seen something in the past about those touchpads. One minute
[20:27] <martinrame> Hi James_Epp, I also have a T420 with the same XUbuntu version and the trackpad (and trackpoint) works without issues.
[20:28] <James_Epp> martinrame: latest uefi firmware? any possible firmware changes?
[20:28] <jeremy31> martinrame: post URL from terminal for> dmesg | egrep -i 'elan|wcom' | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:28] <lordcirth_> martinrame, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingTouchpadDetection
[20:30] <uBlast> Hello Hello
[20:30] <lordcirth_> uBlast, hi
[20:30] <martinrame> James_Epp: dmesg doesn't report anything like elan or wcom
[20:32]  * uBlast nods to lordcirth
[20:33] <James_Epp> martinrame: I was trying to find a collection of scripts that I once saw for small thinkpad bug fixes but I can't find them anymore. I don't think I can be of much help, but maybe this documentation can help you? https://bpaste.net/show/7b935a0b4f4a
[20:34] <martinrame> Thanks James_Epp, I'll take a look
[20:35] <jeremy31> martinrame: are you using acpi=off in grub command line?
[20:55] <lapideviridi> Hey. I'm having some trouble with my udev rules. I try to bind two USB devices to static names for development. However, when I try to serial to them, both point to ais_radio for some reason. It works fine if I comment out either of them. Where did I go wrong? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/S7GQ5fNtBM/
[21:06] <icarious> Hi. I have a query. I have never used Snap before. So where would someone use snap over apt and the vice-versa generally in terms of priority?
[21:07] <Agamus> Greetings - I'm on Mint, and Cinnamon crashed.  The usual remedies bring up an error: "Unable to initialize Clutter: Failed to connected to any renderer due to constraints".
[21:07] <Agamus> Can anyone point me in the right direction to resolving this?
[21:08] <OerHeks> !mint | Agamus , mint has its own issues,
[21:08] <Bashing-om> icarious: Generally a snap is the latest version of a package availabale, and a snap is "containerized".
[21:09] <icarious> Bashing-om: Oh Containers. Ok, that clears my confusion. So basically its not really a default substitute of apt.
[21:09] <icarious> Bashing-om: thanks
[21:09] <OerHeks> snaps update independant from apt, iirc
[21:10] <Bashing-om> icarious: Uh Huh .. is an alternative :) I am in no hurry to change from apt :)
[21:10] <icarious> Bashing-om: I think its similar to using guix under a system
[21:13] <Bashing-om> icarious: Maybe - Can not say as I have no experience with the guix package management system.
[21:25] <sruli> i'm having a issue with connectivity i can ping ip's but no dns, systemctl status NetworkManager complains that dispathcher 01ifupdown failed, and also "warning no upstream servers configures"
[21:25] <sruli> any ideas? would be very gratefull , thanks
[21:26] <James_Epp> sruli: Can you ping an address outside of your own network such as <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[21:26] <sruli> yes i can ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:26] <OerHeks> on what ubuntu version?
[21:27] <sruli> 16.04 gnome
[21:28] <jeremy31> sruli, already try> sudo dpkg-reconfigure resolvconf    and answer yes?
[21:30] <sruli> thanks jeremy31 !!! what might have caused this?
[21:30] <jeremy31> weird things happen sruli
[21:30] <sruli> been at it for the past 7 hours
[21:31] <ChunkzZ> is this the correct way of mounting /dev/sda? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/U16hPhRm/Screenshot_20190331-223017_JuiceSSH.jpg
[21:31] <sruli> google is becoming more and more useless
[21:31] <jeremy31> sruli: search terms are everything
[21:32] <James_Epp> ChunkzZ: Probably not. You would be mounting a whole drive, not a single partition.
[21:32] <jeremy31> sruli, either /etc/resolv.conf was missing or had wrong info, the commands fixes that
[21:32] <James_Epp> ChunkzZ: Also are you overwriting the entire fstab or what? That's a very sparse fstab file.....
[21:32] <ChunkzZ> James_Epp: what should it be then?
[21:33] <ChunkzZ> I want the entire drive mounted
[21:33] <sruli> jeremy31: wasnt missing i deleted and made new symlink.. nada helped, thanks
[21:33] <James_Epp> ChunkzZ: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fstab
[21:33] <ChunkzZ> ?
[21:33] <sruli> ChunkzZ: whats the partition layout of the drive?
[21:33] <ChunkzZ> I'm on ubuntu
[21:33] <James_Epp> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab
[21:33] <James_Epp> always take a backup before you mess with system files.
[21:33] <ChunkzZ> sruli: what do you mean?
[21:34] <sruli> is the drive connected now?
[21:34] <sruli> ChunkzZ: is it plugged into the machine now?
[21:34] <James_Epp> No offense chunkzz but you sound like a beginner. Are you 100% sure you want to edit fstab to mount a drive? Is there not an easier way to accomplish your goal? What precisely is your goal?
[21:35] <sruli> ChunkzZ: if your drive is connected run "lsblk | grep "/dev" | nc termbin.com 9999" and post the link here
[21:46] <sjeohp> hi
[21:47] <ChunkzZ> sorted. :) https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/aZhXeREc/Screenshot_20190331-224633_JuiceSSH.jpg
[21:47] <ChunkzZ> James_Epp: it's a headless server, no other Sato mount it.
[21:48] <ChunkzZ> Way*
[21:48] <ChunkzZ> To*
[21:48] <ChunkzZ> Damn autocorrect lol
[21:48] <sjeohp> i’m running an ubuntu server with a shitty display and every time it boots it has a different command line resolution.  anyone know what would cause that?
[21:48] <sjeohp> i don’t care much what the resolution is it just annoys me that it is unpredictable
[21:54] <OerHeks> unpredictable is odd, standard it would be 800x600 .. https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-increase-tty-console-resolution-on-ubuntu-18-04-server
[21:57] <sruli> jeremy31: still having issue, network manager is still complaining about 01ifupdown and and i cant open NM applet, says NetworkManager not running, systemctl status last line is caught SIGTERM shutting down normally
[21:59] <jeremy31> sruli: does this help any> systemctl restart network-manager.service
[22:00] <sruli> jeremy31: not NetworkManager?
[22:00] <jeremy31> sruli: just try it
[22:01] <James_Epp> chunkzz: Have you used the mount command to confirm the drive mounts correctly as you intend?
[22:02] <ChunkzZ> James_Epp: yes and permissions are fine too as before I couldn't delete anything
[22:03] <ChunkzZ> Also, I can check k it's mounted with lsblk
[22:03] <sruli> jeremy31: same still complains
[22:03] <jeremy31> sruli: You may need a reboot
[22:03] <James_Epp> chunkzz: Good. Then you should be able to safely add it to your fstab but take a backup of the fstab file first. If at all possible I would recommend doing this change when you have console/terminal access to the system in case things go south.
[22:04] <sruli> jeremy31: have done many, will try again
[22:04] <ChunkzZ> Yeah, thanks brother.
[22:05] <ChunkzZ> I would be never have found that link so thanks!
[22:05] <ChunkzZ> Not a beginner btw, been using Ubuntu years. Lol....
[22:07] <sruli> jeremy31: still same issue after reboot
[22:11] <jeremy31> sruli: Might have to search on the errors, I need some sleep
[22:11] <sruli> been searching all day no luck, thanks anyway
[22:11] <sruli> much appriciated
[22:14] <tomreyn> sjeohp: what's the hardware, firmware? journalctl -b | grep 'DMI:'
[22:18] <sjeohp> tomreyn: philips monitor, xrandr returns “Can’t open display”, driver is ‘ast’
[22:20] <sjeohp> inxi shows tty: 200x56, or else 128x48
[22:20] <tomreyn> sjeohp: i mean whats the server hardware, and firmware
[22:20] <sjeohp> supermicro
[22:21] <sjeohp> not sure about firmware, can i check somehow?
[22:21] <sjeohp> oh you already told me
[22:22] <tomreyn> also PCI IDs of the aspeed graphics chipset: lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:22] <sjeohp> tomreyn: Supermicro SYS-7049P-TRT/X11DPi-NT, BIOS 3.0a 01/11/2019
[22:24] <sjeohp> tomreyn: 9phw
[22:25] <tomreyn> hmm not sure what this is, it's not a pci id
[22:25] <tomreyn> but it's okay, not strictly needed
[22:25] <tomreyn> you have the latest mainboard firmware
[22:26] <tomreyn> sjeohp: which ubuntu version is it? nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};)
[22:27] <sjeohp> tomreyn: 18.10
[22:28] <tomreyn> on a server? okay, personally i prefer running LTS there.
[22:29] <raver> Jep
[22:29] <tomreyn> (but it's possible and supported while support lasts.)
[22:29] <raver> And  I wait for the first update patch
[22:29] <kubkde> Hello. >5.x kernels not supporting Nvidia for anyone else?
[22:30] <kubkde> Unsure if it's my gronked up system or Nvidia
[22:30] <OerHeks> kubkde, likely not on 18.04/18.10, but certainly next 19.04 does ..
[22:30] <OerHeks> !19.04
[22:33] <sjeohp> tomreyn: nothing depends on it
[22:33] <tomreyn> sjeohp: if this system is fully patched and rebooted since, you can post the system log so we can review it. journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:42] <Harlin> I am trying to use Enlightenment ... any idea how I pull up my list of VPN connections?
[22:42] <Harlin> Or even better how can I use openconnect from the cli -- not necessarily how to run the openconnect command itself but is there a way to tell list the profiles I already have set up from the command lnie?
[22:43] <Harlin> s/lnie/line/
[22:56] <lanerr_> hello
[22:56] <lanerr_> I am needing some help with gpg, is this the right channel?
[22:56] <sruli> !help
[22:57] <lanerr_> !help
[22:58] <lanerr_> Does GPG's NIST P-521 provide 256 bits of secuirty? What about ed25519?
[22:58] <OerHeks> ask,wait and see
[23:05] <lanerr_> well, I asked, and am waiting
[23:06] <OerHeks> true, i have no clue for an answer myself
[23:14] <pnwise> Hey this should be unbuffered ram right - https://www.kingston.com/dataSheets/KVR24E17D8_16.pdf ?
[23:20] <OerHeks> it does not say rdimm, so i guess not
[23:20] <OerHeks> really a Q for ##hardware
[23:20] <pnwise> Thanks!
[23:31] <lanerr_> How many bits of secuirty is in NIST P-521?
[23:45] <OerHeks> !info clippy
[23:46] <OerHeks> !bug


[07:58] <dholbach> good morning
[13:15] <flint> ogra, Good morning from sunny Vermont!
[17:59] <heno> Greetings Ubuntu QA Team!
[17:59]  * sbeattie waves
[18:00] <pedro_> hello everybody!
[18:00] <bdmurray> hi
[18:05] <schwuk_> hi
[18:05] <heno> hey marjomercado
[18:05] <marjomercado> hi folks
[18:06] <heno> hi schwuk_, how is Australia?
[18:06] <schwuk_> heno: very nice, thanks. :) Lovely weather, considering it's the middle of winter!
[18:07] <heno> here it's actually too hot today ...
[18:07] <heno> Marjo and I will co-chair today's meeting so he an see how we run these
[18:07] <heno> so ...
[18:08] <heno> #startmeeting
[18:08] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:08. The chair is heno.
[18:08] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:08] <heno> welcome  everyone!
[18:08] <heno> [TOPIC] Introducing Marjo -- heno
[18:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Introducing Marjo -- heno
[18:09] <heno> as mentioned last week, marjomercado is the new Ubuntu QA lead at Canonical
[18:09] <heno> he's been learning the ropes this week
[18:09] <heno> plenty of information to digest as you can imagine
[18:10] <heno> please make him feel welcome!
[18:10] <heno> marjomercado: do you want to add anything
[18:10] <heno> ?
[18:11] <marjomercado> Thanks Henrik
[18:11] <marjomercado> I look forward to working with all of you folks in the next few weeks and months
[18:11] <marjomercado> I have had a great welcome from everyone so far. Thx!
[18:12] <heno> an 'interesting' time to start as we approach the release ;)
[18:12] <heno> ok, let's get on with our regular items
[18:12] <heno> [TOPIC] UbuntuBugDay highlights -- pedro
[18:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  UbuntuBugDay highlights -- pedro
[18:13] <pedro_> alright so on the previous Thursday we had a bug day based on Notify-OSD
[18:13] <pedro_> as we promised to the desktop experience folks
[18:13] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090813
[18:14] <pedro_> we cleaned up a lot the product and as i promised them during the sprint i'm going to keep an eye to that during next weeks
[18:15] <heno> the triage hero that day was clearly Pedro himself :)
[18:15] <pedro_> ~71 were triaged, so thanks to Kamus, MacSlow and arnaud for helping out
[18:15] <pedro_> ;-)
[18:15] <pedro_> Tomorrow! we're having a bug day based on Rhythmbox
[18:15] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090820
[18:17] <pedro_> i know you like music guys, so if you have some spare minutes join the fun there and triage a bug
[18:17] <pedro_> triage a bug win a hug, right ? ;-)
[18:17] <heno> sounds good, thanks pedro_
[18:18] <heno> [TOPIC] SRU testing -- sbeattie
[18:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  SRU testing -- sbeattie
[18:18] <sbeattie> Between the distro sprint and the karmic alpha release over the last two weeks, SRU activity has been somewhat diminished.
[18:18] <sbeattie> That said, a jaunty kernel update did make it to -updates in the past week, along with a few other packages.
[18:18] <sbeattie> There were security updates to all kernels, so respun kernel SRUs are coming for hardy and intrepid.
[18:18] <sbeattie> Thanks to IdleOne, John Lang, Leonel Nunez, Imre Gergely, John Veness, and our own bdmurray for testing out proposed packages and reporting feedback.
[18:19] <bdmurray> \o/
[18:19] <sbeattie> As always, we welcome any assistance people can offer in testing out packages in proposed.
[18:19] <sbeattie> that's all I've got on the SRU front.
[18:19] <heno> sbeattie: what's the current backlog? perhaps we should have queue and throughput numbers for each open release at these meetings?
[18:20] <sbeattie> heno: the queues are relatively small currently, but yes, I'll start tracking those.
[18:20] <heno> ok, great?
[18:20] <heno> Any other topics?
[18:21] <heno> bdmurray: where did we get to with the 200 bug analysis from the sprint? has there been further follow-up?
[18:22] <bdmurray> heno: not yet
[18:22] <heno> cr3: any feedback from Scott or Dustin on the usefulness of test attachments?
[18:23] <cr3> heno: nope, I'll follow up with 'em
[18:23] <heno> ok, thanks
[18:24] <heno> marjomercado: any questions at this point or anything to add?
[18:24] <marjomercado> no, thx;
[18:24] <heno> ok, short meeting!
[18:24] <heno> #endmeeting
[18:24] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:24.
[18:24] <sbeattie> Oh, I have a request: I'm doing a UDW presentation on the qa-regression-testing tests and how to add testcases; if anyone comes across a bug/test that would make a good example, please pass it along.
[18:25] <bdmurray> sbeattie: any kind of bug?
[18:26] <sbeattie> sure, so long as the testcase for wouldn't be too complex to write.
[18:26] <sbeattie> thanks.
[18:28] <bdmurray> okay, I'll keep an eye out
[18:30]  * heno wanders off