[01:45] <ndroftheline> can somebody direct me to some kind of how-to guide for setting up a website served from home using a standard consumer Belkin router?
[01:46] <ndroftheline> i thought i had everything all set but i just simply can't get my webpage served to an external IP
[01:46] <ndroftheline> i have port 80 forwarded through my router, i have apache2 listening on the port, i checked with my ISP to make sure they're not blocking it
[01:46] <jetole> join #mplayer
[01:46] <ndroftheline>  it just...isn't working.
[01:46] <twb> 1) rent a VPS for a few dollars a month; 2) put your website on it; 3) throw the standard consumer Belkin router away.
[01:47] <ndroftheline> well it' snot just about a website. i want to run a murmur server on it too
[01:47] <ndroftheline> besides, i want to learn
[01:47] <ndroftheline> !mplayer
[01:47] <ndroftheline> ...a media player?
[01:47] <ndroftheline> jetole: why mplayer?
[01:47] <twb> ndroftheline: he forgot the
[01:51] <qman__> ndroftheline, assuming you're talking to us over the intended connection, your port 80 is open
[01:52] <qman__> browsing to it asks for a user and password
[01:52] <twb> qman__: but his router is what's responding
[01:52] <twb> Server: Ubicom/1.1
[01:52] <qman__> ah
[01:52] <qman__> so you'd have to disable that function in the router
[01:52] <twb> I hate trying to configure those pissant consumer routers.
[01:53] <qman__> yeah, most of them are absolute junk
[01:53] <qman__> it's why I use ubuntu for mine
[02:34] <jetole> ndroftheline: I was changing rooms cause I wanted to ask about how to make mplayer and gnome-screensaver play nice with each other
[02:34] <jetole> ndroftheline: thought it's offtopic, the correct answer is heartbeat-cmd="dbus-send --session --dest=org.gnome.ScreenSaver --type=method_call /org/gnome/ScreenSaver org.gnome.ScreenSaver.SimulateUserActivity" in your config file
[02:37] <twb> jetole: I'm curious; config file for what package?
[02:58] <hansin> ndroftheline: Maybe see if you can set your router so it only accepts admin logins "within" the network, not from the outside.
[02:59] <twb> That would definitely be a good idea
[03:00] <hansin> Actually, that is a good idea anyway for security reasons.
[03:01] <hansin> But it then might also properly allow the forwarding of port 80 to your sever running Apache vs. exposing its own internal webserver that handles the admin stuff.
[04:00] <yitz_> We got this setup with ~130 servers that we'd like to keep all pretty much in sync and identical and whatnot. Does anyone know of some cluster management tools that
[04:00] <yitz_> We got this setup with ~130 servers that we'd like to keep all pretty much in sync and identical and whatnot. Does anyone know of some cluster management tools that'd help manage them?
[04:19] <tonyyarusso> yitz_: puppet
[04:20] <yitz_> Will look into that. Thanks
[04:20] <twb> Puppet/chef/cfengine are more targeted towards HETEROGENEOUS environments, but you could certainly use them for a cluster.
[04:21] <yitz_> So long as it's simple to use and not awkward, overkill isn't a bad thing
[04:22] <yitz_> We'd probably mostly be using it to run random commands and apt-stuffs
[04:22] <twb> For a homogeneous cluster I'd almost be tempted to netboot the nodes, copying the OS to RAM at boot and using the local disks for swap and /var/tmp only
[04:22] <twb> yitz_: puppet works by you defining the end goal (e.g. "ensure sshd is installed"), and it working out what commands to issue (e.g. "apt-get install openssh-server").
[06:18] <nat_home> when you change a hd in a software raid1, what are you supposed to do after ? go through fdisk to partition it or mdadm has a command to do the entire process … mdadm --add just want a parition …
[06:21] <terinjokes> this is, uhm, interesting
[06:21] <terinjokes> i'm trying to modprobe ipv6, and I've found I have no /lib/modules directory
[06:23] <twb> terinjokes: your kernel might be compiled without module support.
[06:24] <twb> I heard a rumour that RHEL do that to prevent you from loading unsupported modules into their kernel without consciously voiding of their support contract.
[06:24] <terinjokes> twb: possible
[06:24] <terinjokes> twb: except i'm running ubuntu server and not RHEL
[06:24] <twb> Oh, sorry, I thought this was #netfilter
[06:25] <terinjokes> (i got out of DLL HELL, no need to go to another ;) )
[06:25] <twb> terinjokes: it's actually worse on unix than on windows, which is why there are "distros" to shield you from it.
[06:26] <twb> Try installing, say, Oracle Hyperion on SLES and you'll run into in about ten seconds.
[06:26] <terinjokes> been doing this linux thing for too many years now
[06:26] <twb> *into it in
[06:26] <terinjokes> so i'm well aware
[06:26] <terinjokes> (much of that time was with PowerPC boxes, what fun!)
[06:34] <eagles0513875|2> hey guys with out an app armour policy for dove cot is it possible dovecot can give me problems?
[06:37] <terinjokes> twb: you know what I can do
[06:38] <eagles0513875|2> hey guys im using squirrelmail to access my email server
[06:38] <eagles0513875|2> and i get this erro ERROR: Could not complete request.
[06:38] <eagles0513875|2> Query: SELECT "INBOX"
[06:38] <eagles0513875|2> Reason Given: [SERVERBUG] Internal error occurred. Refer to server log for more information. [2010-11-12 07:35:12]
[06:39] <eagles0513875|2> i have checked the mail.err and it says its a permission issue
[06:39] <eagles0513875|2> but my permissions have been checked and rechecked
[06:39] <eagles0513875|2> and they are correct
[06:39] <eagles0513875|2> app armor is enabled but i dont have a policy for dovecot setup at all
[06:39] <eagles0513875|2> could that be causing squirrelmail to return that error
[06:39] <eagles0513875|2> andn the permissions error in the log?
[06:41] <noaXess> good morning
[06:42] <eagles0513875|2> hey noaXess
[06:42] <eagles0513875|2> :-(
[06:42] <eagles0513875|2> kinda frustrated this am noaXess hows you
[06:42] <noaXess> have a raid5 with 6T.. first partition has 2T.. now i want additional 2 partitions with each 2T.. if i create the second partition, i use fdsik and set the pertition size to +2000G
[06:42] <noaXess> eagles0513875|2: why?
[06:42] <noaXess> here is all fine..
[06:43] <eagles0513875|2> ERROR: Could not complete request.
[06:43] <eagles0513875|2> Query: SELECT "INBOX"
[06:43] <eagles0513875|2> Reason Given: [SERVERBUG] Internal error occurred. Refer to server log for more information. [2010-11-12 07:35:12]
[06:43] <noaXess> just a little understanding problem
[06:43] <eagles0513875|2> thats why
[06:43] <eagles0513875|2> i checked the logs its saying permissions is the problem but i have permissions setup right
[06:43] <noaXess> i see.. read
[06:43] <eagles0513875|2> i dunno only thing i can think of is i would need to setup an apparmor profile for dovecot?
[06:44] <noaXess> puh.. it seams that an db access problem is there? not fs perms..
[06:44] <noaXess> eagles0513875|2: what is in the server log?
[06:44] <eagles0513875|2> i dont have anything setup to access a db though
[06:44] <noaXess> show us ther error log...
[06:45] <eagles0513875|2> im using the passwd and the shadow file
[06:45] <eagles0513875|2> Nov 12 07:35:13 eagle dovecot: IMAP(jonathan): mkdir(/home/jonathan/Maildir/.INBOX.Sent/cur) failed: Permission denied (euid=1000(jonathan) egid=1000(jonathan) missing +w perm: /home/jonathan
[06:45] <eagles0513875|2> thats whats in the log
[06:46] <noaXess> show us a listing of /home/
[06:46] <noaXess> pastebin..
[06:46] <jmarsden> I think the output of    ls -ld /home/jonathan    would be quicker :)
[06:46] <noaXess> ok :)
[06:46] <eagles0513875|2> drwx------ 6 jonathan jonathan 4096 2010-11-11 17:22 /home/jonathan/
[06:47] <noaXess> eagles0513875|2: just user has rwx.. maybe group needed too?
[06:47] <eagles0513875|2> tried the group
[06:47] <eagles0513875|2> as well
[06:47] <eagles0513875|2> still same issue
[06:48] <noaXess> to my partition understanding.. 6T raid5.. first partition 2T.. now i want aditional 2 partition, each 2T... with fdisk the second part i create with +2000G.. but the third the shoul also be ~2T.. but it isn't..
[06:49] <noaXess> eagles0513875|2: so you tried to chmod -R +w /heom/jonathan?
[06:49] <eagles0513875|2> noaXess: yep
[06:49] <noaXess> .. /home^
[06:49] <noaXess> ok..
[06:49] <noaXess> and restarted services?
[06:49] <eagles0513875|2> yes
[06:49] <noaXess> ok...
[06:49] <eagles0513875|2> if i restarted them as is
[06:49] <eagles0513875|2> atm
[06:49] <eagles0513875|2> i dont get that error with squirrelmail
[06:50] <eagles0513875|2> i can login see emails recieve and send just fine
[06:52] <eagles0513875|2> thats odd
[06:52] <eagles0513875|2> i refreshed twice
[06:52] <noaXess> have you already googled?.. think so ;).. http://www.google.ch/#hl=de&expIds=17259,17311,17315,23628,23756,24878,26637,26711,26761,26788,26849,26869,27130,27400,27404,27520,27545&xhr=t&q=dovecot+imap+permission+denied+%2Bw+perm&cp=38&pf=p&sclient=psy&newwindow=1&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=dovecot+imap+permission+denied+%2Bw+perm&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=96c4277166fb2c44
[06:52] <eagles0513875|2> O_o
[06:52] <noaXess> don't know exaclty dovecot.. but others had same problem..
[06:52] <noaXess> maybe. shared mailboxes or wath ever..
[06:58] <eagles0513875|2> noaXess: im the only one with an email account on the server
[06:58] <noaXess> hm..
[06:58] <eagles0513875|2> and im using user accounts that have username and password on the system
[07:01] <eagles0513875|2> noaXess: any idea?
[07:02] <eagles0513875|2> noaXess: im tempted to setup roundcube to see if i have the same issue
[07:15] <eagles0513875|2> hey guys any app armour experts here
[07:27] <eagles0513875|2> !cacti
[07:32] <nat_home> I'm just changed a hard drive on a raid 1 and now after I rebooted, grub doesn't seem to work anymore, it says at GRUB _ in the boot
[07:36] <eagles0513875|2> nat_home: i believe you would need to rebuild the array first i coudl be wrong
[07:42] <databits> I'm doing some trouble shooting with my router, and have taken a look at my log files on the router.  I'm receiving a ton of incomming traffic in on port 33089.  I have ran a net stat on all the machines which are on the network, and have not been able to find any machines listening on this port.  Does anyone have any idea's ?
[07:42] <eagles0513875|2> databits: are the packets udp or tcp packets
[07:44] <databits> not sure
[07:45] <databits> it is a simple log... just gives ip, and port.  At first I was thinking it was torrent traffic, but I ran a netstat on all my machines... nothing is going on .
[07:45] <databits> alot I mean alot of traffic.
[07:45] <eagles0513875|2> databits: should give if its udp or tcp
[07:45] <databits> that used to be one of the ports I used for my torrent traffic but I do not have any clients running and I checked all the connections
[07:45] <eagles0513875|2> what ports do you have forwarded on ur router?
[07:46] <databits> not that port
[07:46] <eagles0513875|2> i have seen what you are experiencing before
[07:46] <eagles0513875|2> but turns out it was a udp packet flood
[07:46] <twb> eagles0513875|2: please stop changing your nick, it makes it harder to ignore you.
[07:46] <eagles0513875|2> :(
[07:46] <eagles0513875|2> twb: why do you want to ignore me
[07:47] <databits> my network performance is crapy, I'm chating with cisco people now.    I have nothing forwarded except a few ports to my linux server
[07:49] <databits> this is weird
[07:49] <databits> hold on brb I have to grab my serial off my router, so I can get a new model :)
[07:49] <eagles0513875|2> thats the only thing i can think of causing the traffic
[07:54] <twb> I've inherited a Chenbro 3-to-5 hotswap backplane (http://www.chenbro.com/corporatesite/products_accessory_detail.php?serno=727&PHPSESSID=4d6d1129)
[07:54] <twb> It includes a five-pin "HDD activity and failure cable"
[07:55] <twb> How do I work out where (if anywhere) that connects to the motherboard?
[07:55] <twb> (I'm using md raid; there's no hardware raid card.)
[08:00] <reeniginEesreveR> how can i know the details of memory consumption on my server?
[08:01] <twb> reeniginEesreveR: free, ps
[08:01] <reeniginEesreveR> twb, also i'd like to see swap information, and see which process is thrashing more etc.
[08:01]  * reeniginEesreveR has to admit that he's a n00b
[08:03] <twb> reeniginEesreveR: those commands also emit swap information.
[08:04] <reeniginEesreveR> right
[08:04] <twb> reeniginEesreveR: you may also find top(1) useful
[08:04] <databits> this port 33089 mumbo jumbo is stumpin me.  None of my machines, have any active connections on that port.  On top of everything else I do not have that port forwarded in the router, so that traffic should not be passing threw either way.
[08:04] <twb> It provides a straightforward, sortable, refreshing UI
[08:05] <databits> what would be the correct command to check my linux server to see if something is going on with my server
[08:05] <twb> databits: perhaps that is a randomly allocated port for one of your existing services, or clients.
[08:05] <twb> databits: e.g. NFS
[08:06] <twb> Ah, you checked netstat already.  I presume you ran it with -a (all connection types)?
[08:06] <databits> I'm sorry I'm not following
[08:06] <databits> yes sir
[08:06] <twb> Then I don't know.  Run tshark / tcpdump and examine the traffic to try to work out what it is.
[08:32]  * eagles0513875|2 pokes RoyK with a stick
[08:33]  * RoyK grabs the stick and whips eagles0513875|2's arse
[08:33] <eagles0513875|2> lol morning
[08:33] <RoyK> morning
[08:40] <binBASH> eagles0513875|2: you have to get up earlier to trick RoyK :D
[08:40] <eagles0513875|2> loool what time zone he in
[08:43] <binBASH> according to his hostname it should be 9:45am at his place :D
[08:43] <eagles0513875|2> lol then CET like me
[08:43] <binBASH> yup
[08:45] <binBASH> I'm also in Europe Berlin timezone ;)
[08:53] <terin-webchat> i'm running ubuntu-server as a guest in xen, any idea on if I should install one of those linux virtual packages?
[09:20] <slooksterpsv> Can someone assist me with ldap on ubuntu 10.04?
[09:21] <RoyK> slooksterpsv: ask a specific question, please
[09:21] <yann2> retransmit_or_expire_response_records: Failed to resend packet id 20905 to IP <IP_ADDRESS> on subnet <IP_ADDRESS> < from nmbd... interesting isnt it :(
[09:22] <slooksterpsv> I did a fresh install of Ubuntu Server 10.04, and started immediately after install on this guide to get OpenLDAP installed and working: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html - the problem is I get down to sudo ldapadd -x -D cn=admin,dc=example,dc=com -W -f frontend.example.com.ldif  and I get invalid credentials, I've tried 6 different guides all give the same invalid credentials
[09:23] <slooksterpsv> I've tried using the slapd password, root password, tried setting the password in slapd.conf nothing is working, I'm getting very frustrated, and looking more into another distro for servers
[09:31] <slooksterpsv> of course
[12:47] <Myx0x3> why does my Ubuntu server loose the static IP and change to a dynamic?
[12:47] <twb> Myx0x3: because you installed from the desktop CD, so you have NetworkManager installed, and it is designed to break networking.
[12:49] <Myx0x3> twb: i installed from the ubuntu server cd
[12:50] <twb> Myx0x3: is NM installed?
[12:50] <Myx0x3> NM?
[12:50] <mgolisch> how did you configure the static ip?
[12:50] <mgolisch> using the interfaces file?
[12:50] <twb> Myx0x3: dpkg -l network-manager
[12:50] <Myx0x3> mgolisch: in interfaces
[12:51] <Myx0x3> i changed eth0 to static.. and its corrected setup
[12:51] <Myx0x3> twb: i dont have any grafical interface
[12:51] <mgolisch> nm should never touch any unterfaces configured via the interfaces file
[12:51] <twb> Myx0x3: network-manager is a daemon.
[12:51] <mgolisch> it does not on my desktop atleast
[12:52] <twb> mgolisch: granted; it has just stung me so many times that I always make damn sure it's gone before I try anything else
[12:52] <Myx0x3> twb: aha, but the static ip works for like 1 day, then i have to restart the network deamon
[12:52] <twb> Myx0x3: there should not BE a network ademon
[12:52] <Myx0x3> hmm
[12:52] <twb> That is why I want to make sure that the "network-manager" package is not installed.
[12:53] <Myx0x3> init.d/networking ?
[12:53] <twb> dpkg -l network-manager should list its state as "un".
[12:53] <twb> Myx0x3: that's an init script, but it doesn't start a daemon.
[12:53] <Myx0x3> twb: aha, but i have never installed NM, i installed my servers for 2 days ago
[12:54] <Myx0x3> and before it had no problems whit this..
[12:54] <mgolisch> what other software did you install?
[12:54] <twb> Myx0x3: so you can confirm that its state it "un" according to dpkg -l?
[12:55] <Myx0x3> mgolisch, SMB and OpenSSH
[12:57] <Myx0x3> twb: network manager is not in the list
[12:57] <twb> Myx0x3: OK, pastebin the content of /etc/network/interfaces.
[12:59] <Myx0x3> twb: http://pastebin.com/vh0giVCZ
[12:59] <twb> "auto eth0iface eth0 inet static" is wrong; there should be a newline after the first "eth0"
[12:59] <Myx0x3> and its correct! all my ipadresses starts at <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:59] <twb> Other than that, it's fine.
[13:00] <Myx0x3> yes your right.. changed it now
[13:01] <Myx0x3> seems like pastebin change it
[13:01] <Myx0x3> there is an new line whit iface eth0..
[13:02] <twb> Then I guess you need to look at what else is around that's running as root
[13:02] <Myx0x3> yeah.. maybe its my Minecraft server.. but could it realy fuck up my IP adress?
[13:03] <Myx0x3> im running it as sudo, otherwise it whine about permissons
[13:03] <twb> I don't know.  Unless minecraft is part of Ubuntu, I can't support it.  You need to talk to your vendor.
[13:05] <Myx0x3> twb: Minecart is an game, hehe.. but ill look and try to see what makes the problem! could maybe be the router.. how do i look the logs who could possible log what happens whit the IP?
[13:05] <Myx0x3> im pretty new at linux and dont look at the logs pretty often
[13:06] <twb> It's possible there's something in your logs.
[13:06] <twb> They'll be in /var/log; try sorting the directory by mtime and looking at the newest files
[13:06] <Myx0x3> twb: witch log? there is like tons of them
[13:06] <Myx0x3> okay..
[13:07] <twb> I love molly-guard
[13:08] <Myx0x3> is it possible to run a bash script whit "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" every 6h?
[13:08] <Myx0x3> that would solve the problem, but its pretty lame solution
[13:10] <twb> Myx0x3: the scheduling system is called "cron".
[13:10] <twb> Myx0x3: read the crontab manpage, then "crontab -e" or /etc/crontab or /etc/cron.hourly.
[13:11] <twb> But as you say, that would be REALLY lame
[13:19] <d-fens_> hi, how can i manage which services are started ?
[13:20] <d-fens_> like enable  mysqld on startup
[13:20] <d-fens_> like rc-status add mysql default in gentoo
[13:21] <d-fens_> its 10.04
[13:24] <twb> The only way I know (for upstart-managed jobs) is to go into /etc/init/foo.conf and edit it
[13:24] <twb> For sysvinit jobs (i.e. just about everything in universe), you can simply say "update-rc.d foo disable".
[13:24] <d-fens_> k thanks i'll try that
[13:24] <twb> ALL services should start on boot by default.
[13:45] <hdon> hi all :) anyone know where to find mock data for common database tables like user accounts and such? i would like more data available while i'm developing my applications :)
[13:50] <mathiaz> hdon: you may wanna look at the MySQL test database (such as the World database)
[13:50] <hdon> mathiaz, i shall google that, thanks :)
[13:52] <hdon> spooky :)
[14:03] <TeTeT> hggdh: the scheduler is starting, stopping instances since over a week now, seems to work. I can reach the webservers and the file I've uploaded there just fine
[14:28] <hallyn> smoser: kirkland: so in the uds session on cloud desktop, did anyone ever bring up doing it with a webos (like eyeOS) instead of a vnc connection to classic desktop?  just curious...
[14:30] <smoser> hallyn, no
[14:31] <hallyn> ok, thx
[14:32] <hallyn> (seems like that would also forego the worry about proprietary clients on windows)
[14:48] <jdstrand> hallyn: hey. did you see that powerpc and armel ftbfs?
[14:48] <jdstrand> hallyn: (on libvirt)
[14:49] <jdstrand> hallyn: I also wanted to mention this thread<EMAIL_ADDRESS>where people are talking about other ftbfs (with patches) that you may want to add patches for for people using xen
[14:50] <hallyn> jdstrand: yeah, i got emails on em
[14:50] <jdstrand> hallyn: my patch to fix bug #672943 was accepted upstream, so I am going to add it to the packaging branch, but not upload
[14:51] <jdstrand> hallyn: ok cool
[14:51] <hallyn> what is a packaging branch?
[14:51] <jdstrand> hallyn: I figure I wouldn't upload as it is such a small change and thought you might be working on libvirt more
[14:51] <hallyn> i see, did xen cause this?  i've been looking at the code and the failure made no sense to me :)
[14:51] <jdstrand> hallyn: the one you merged with
[14:52] <jdstrand> hallyn: with only the briefest of glances, our ftbfs are not the same as the ones reported upstream
[14:52] <hallyn> don't suppose we have access to any powerpc?
[14:52] <jdstrand> hallyn: there is the porting box
[14:53] <hallyn> jdstrand: alas i need to work on somethign else today, so apart from looking during idle time at the source, i was going to look at it seriously on monday
[14:54] <jdstrand> hallyn: sure. I just wanted to make sure you knew about it
[14:54] <hallyn> thanks.  like i say, so far i'm stumped
[14:54] <hallyn> so i'll read thorugh the xen thread anyway
[14:54] <jdstrand> hallyn: I'll commit my patch to the branch with UNRELEASED as the distribution name and then you can have at it at your convenience
[14:56] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz: are you still gonna look into package Zenoss?
[14:56] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: not in my natty plan for now
[14:57] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz: ok thanks. Just in case you wanna get in touch with them, you should try contacting npmccallum
[14:57] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: cool - thanks for following up
[14:58] <jdstrand> ugh, the libvirt branched is totally hosed
[14:58] <jdstrand> s/branched/branch/
[14:58] <hallyn> jdstrand: ?
[14:59] <jdstrand> I did all the quilt push ; bzr add stuff, but now I did 'bzr update' and there are a gazillion conflicts
[14:59] <jdstrand> udd ftl
[15:00] <hallyn> but seriously,
[15:00] <hallyn> i thought recent udd discussions suggested dropping .pc
[15:00] <hallyn> i think mandating that you quilt pop -a before bzr ci makes sense
[15:00] <jdstrand> hallyn: I would totally agree
[15:00] <jdstrand> *totally*
[15:01] <jdstrand> hallyn: but we all need to be on the same page. last I heard (from soren, who is driving udd with libvirt) is we want .pc
[15:01] <poolvibe> Can I get some help with samba permissions please.  I have a share I want to force 775 664 on.  An example of create mode and directory mode would make my day
[15:02] <poolvibe> not sure if i should use force?
[15:02] <jdstrand> hallyn, soren: I really don't care what we do. frankly, I would be happy with just debian/ in a bzr branch like what the desktop team does
[15:02] <jdstrand> hallyn, soren: I just don't have time to be fighting udd at every turn
[15:03] <hallyn> jdstrand: the problem with just debian is that we need to do something about gnulib
[15:03] <hallyn> that's what keeps ruining my libvirt daily-build plans :)
[15:04] <hallyn> jdstrand: do you want to just mail me the patch you wanted to add?
[15:04] <jdstrand> hallyn: from a packaging perspective, I don't see why that would be the case as we use the upstream tarballs
[15:04] <jdstrand> hallyn: it is in the bug
[15:04] <hallyn> there's a bug?
[15:05] <hallyn> jdstrand: oh, that one
[15:05] <jdstrand> yes :)
[15:05] <jdstrand> 08:50 < jdstrand> hallyn: my patch to fix bug #672943 was accepted upstream, so  I am going to add it to the packaging branch, but not upload
[15:05] <hallyn> ok, thanks.
[15:06] <jdstrand> hallyn: can you explain your gnulib point? it should be frozen in the tarball and lp:ubuntu/libvirt
[15:08] <hallyn> jdstrand: ok, then i guess it doesn't matter.  my daily-builds are based on git, and there it is NOT in the tree
[15:08] <jdstrand> hallyn: right
[15:08] <hallyn> and the 'git submodule update' is so built into the bootstrap process that without the .git/ contents, you can't bootstrap
[15:09]  * jdstrand nods
[15:09] <jdstrand> you totally need to do all that with the daily git build, but not in the Ubuntu package
[15:09] <jdstrand> so whether we have debian/ alone or part of everything, it shouldn't matter
[15:10] <hallyn> so...  i'm fine with that...
[15:10] <jdstrand> hallyn: maybe it is as you said, the udd stuff has changed recently and we are doing it wrong. you, me and soren need to sort out the way that will work consistently...
[15:11] <hallyn> yes, and including .pc does not work easily consistently with bzr,
[15:11] <jdstrand> I have no opinions as I just want it to work, and *every* time I've tried udd with libvirt it blows apart
[15:11] <hallyn> especially bc if you refresh a patch, bzr just wants to delete the .pc/*, but not re-add it
[15:12] <hallyn> mathiaz: do you remember the recent email regarding .pc in udd?  (seems up your alley)  i thought there was an actual 'official' new stance on it
[15:12] <jdstrand> at this point I am just 'bzr co lp:ubuntu/libvirt' after each time. I may as well ignore lp:ubuntu/libvirt at this point
[15:14] <hallyn> jdstrand: and, we just look at the version # in debian/changelog to determine the tarball to use?
[15:14] <hallyn> (if we just put debian/ into VCS)
[15:14] <jdstrand> hallyn: yes
[15:15] <kirkland> hallyn: hmm, how do you mean?  webos like?
[15:15] <jdstrand> hallyn: the work flow is more 'apt-get source foo', make changes, upload and commit those changes back to bzr
[15:16] <hallyn> kirkland: like http://eyeos.org/.  Then the user uses his browser to opent eh desktop, can use a browser in any OS, and can detach/re-attach just like with vnc
[15:16] <jdstrand> hallyn: any time you grab the source, you need to look at the tree to make sure there aren't any unreleased changes
[15:16] <jdstrand> hallyn: I'm ok with udd if it will actually work. if it doesn't, I suggest debian/
[15:17] <kirkland> hallyn: hmm, well, that's sort of what we're going for with a java based nx client
[15:17] <kirkland> hallyn: i'll look at eyeos now though
[15:17] <hallyn> jdstrand: it completely avoid us having to beg ppl to quilt push -a, so yeah...
[15:17] <jdstrand> and quilt pop -a...
[15:17] <hallyn> kirkland: a webos just seemed better suited for this environment
[15:18] <hallyn> but, i coudl see ppl wanting the standard ubuntu desktop, so maybe it wouldn't be good enough
[15:19] <mathiaz> hallyn: hm - I don't remember the official stance on .pc/
[15:19] <mathiaz> hallyn: I'd suggest to ask barry or james_w in #ubuntu-devel
[15:19] <jdstrand> hmm...
[15:19] <jdstrand> I didn't do 'debcommit --release', I just did the merge (with quilt and bzr add) and bzr ci...
[15:20]  * jdstrand sighs
[15:21] <hallyn> hm, i've never done debcommit - always do dch -i
[15:21] <jdstrand> right
[15:21] <jdstrand> but soren told me:
[15:21] <jdstrand> 08:54 < soren> jdstrand: after that, you run "debcommit --release"
[15:21] <jdstrand> hallyn: that is after dch
[15:21] <jdstrand> (and when you make it live)
[15:22] <jdstrand> so I'm betting I screwed up cause I didn't do that, and the importer was looking for the tag or something
[15:22] <jdstrand> it is nice how much of a timesaver this has been for me...
[15:22] <jdstrand> (not to be bitter or anything)
[15:23] <hallyn> yeah
[15:23] <hallyn> got my sympathy in any case
[15:23]  * hallyn goes to look at the udd wiki
[15:25] <smoser> hallyn, well, yes it would, but it woulnd't really be ubuntu
[15:25] <smoser> we wantto demo/use ubuntu
[15:25] <hggdh> TeTeT: cool!
[15:26] <hallyn> kirkland: so the java nx client is oss?
[15:26] <kirkland> hallyn: yes
[15:26] <hallyn> ok, i thought it had been decided it wasn't
[15:27] <SAngeli> Hi guys, I am geting an error when buring ubuntu iso files and have no clue how to solve it. This is what I get as error: http://img828.imageshack.us/f/isoerror.jpg/  what is that causes this error? Please anyone.  My OS is windows OS
[15:27] <hallyn> mathiaz: thx, will do
[15:27] <TeTeT> hggdh: not so sure what I should monitor but for the functioning service. Will need to shutdown the exercise next week for an exam though
[15:30] <jdstrand> hallyn: check this out: http://paste.ubuntu.com/530749/
[15:31] <jdstrand> hallyn: if that doesn't scream "don't bzr add .pc" I don't know what does
[15:31] <jdstrand> pfft
[15:31] <jdstrand> hallyn: that is obviously 'apt-get source libvirt'
[15:31] <hallyn> sigh
[15:32] <lavish> hi all
[15:32] <jdstrand> hallyn: maybe we should discuss that with barry
[15:32]  * jdstrand -> #ubuntu-devel
[15:32] <lavish> do you know if php on ubuntu 8.10 had been compiled with pdo support?
[15:36] <a_ok> what do I need for speedstepping /cpu fequency scaling?
[15:48] <hggdh> TeTeT: there is not much to monitor actually -- we would be looking for exceptions
[15:49] <hggdh> TeTeT: so browsinggrepping the logs for errors, and the like
[16:05] <ssureshot> does scp use the same pub/priv keys as ssh ?
[16:08] <hallyn> ssureshot: yes
[16:11] <ssureshot> roger thatn thank you hallyn
[16:16] <smoser> kirkland, i dont think the java client in nx (ie, from stgraber's demo) is open source.
[16:17] <smoser> even if it were, it doesn't do anything bug download a binary version of the official nomachine client (which is free beer)
[16:17] <kirkland> hallyn: ^
[16:19] <hallyn> then i would offer eyeOS/equivalent as an alternative for those so inclined
[16:20] <binBASH> eyeos is nice ;)
[16:20] <binBASH> synology servers have something like this
[16:21] <LyonJT> Hey
[16:21] <LyonJT> does anyone have a good vnc server they could recommende?
[16:21] <binBASH> http://www.synology.com/enu/products/demo/index.php
[16:22] <binBASH> if you want to see ;)
[16:22] <LyonJT> buy a SAN
[16:22] <LyonJT> :)
[16:23] <binBASH> LyonJT: already have thanks :D
[16:23] <LyonJT> :) which make
[16:24] <binBASH> LyonJT: well, currently moving to Amazon S3 though ;)
[16:24] <LyonJT> lol
[16:24] <LyonJT> moving to the cloud then?/
[16:24] <binBASH> yup
[16:24] <binBASH> already moved.......
[16:25]  * hallyn quietly sneaks off for early lunch
[16:25] <binBASH> LyonJT: running here hybrid
[16:25] <patdk-wk> I don't get everyones usage of ec2
[16:25] <patdk-wk> it's great for some things
[16:25] <patdk-wk> but it seems everyone is building everything in it, not caring about performance or cost
[16:25] <binBASH> patdk-wk: Our customers have import jobs with 20 Million images
[16:26] <patdk-wk> you just moved that part right?
[16:26] <binBASH> yup
[16:26] <patdk-wk> not the actual serving of those
[16:26] <binBASH> patdk-wk: also the serving
[16:26] <patdk-wk> heh
[16:26] <binBASH> patdk-wk: customer needs his stuff in a S3 bucket
[16:27] <binBASH> so why not serve directly from it
[16:27] <patdk-wk> oh, if customer demands it, that is different :)
[16:27] <binBASH> yeah, they developed a firefox plugin and retrieve images from s3 with it
[16:27] <patdk-wk> everything goes out the window cased on customer demands :)
[16:27] <patdk-wk> based
[16:28] <binBASH> patdk-wk: I hope client is ready to pay 15K / Month though :D
[16:28] <binBASH> Amazon EC2 is not that cheap
[16:29] <hggdh> aren't we building daily ISOs for natty?
[16:29] <patdk-wk> ya, it's only cheap, if you do it on-demand-load
[16:29] <\sh> binBASH: for a tryout it's "cheap enough"...when you do serious business, you should think about using datacenter providers like equinix others and do you own job in setting up a good server environment
[16:29] <binBASH> yes we're doing so patdk-wk
[16:30] <binBASH> \sh: Only have spike usage :D
[16:30] <binBASH> so cpu is needed on demand
[16:31] <patdk-wk> \sh did you miss it
[16:31] <patdk-wk> it's a customer demand, that they use ec2 for that stuff
[16:31] <patdk-wk> well, s3
[16:31]  * patdk-wk doesn't think you can use s3 directly yet thought, without ec2
[16:31] <binBASH> yeah, that customer provided s3 as storage :D
[16:31] <\sh> well, I'm happy that we only wasting 1k US bucks per month right now...when there is more traffic on net+cpu I'll switch them to another datacenter
[16:31] <binBASH> patdk-wk: sure you can
[16:32] <binBASH> you just can't use ebs
[16:32] <patdk-wk> hmm
[16:32] <patdk-wk> ah
[16:32] <binBASH> \sh And how many servers you have?
[16:32] <patdk-wk> but then, ebs without ec2 is pointless :)
[16:32] <\sh> binBASH: on amazone ec2? 4x t1.large
[16:32] <PleXT> anyone known how to start a unattended Windows7 installation disc from linux PXE server? :/
[16:33] <\sh> binBASH: that's for an US tryout of our product ;)
[16:33] <binBASH> \sh:  OK ;)
[16:33] <binBASH> we host usa stuff at superb.net servers
[16:33] <binBASH> just that image importing part is at ec2
[16:34] <binBASH> running instances continuesly is too expensive at ec2 ;)
[16:35] <\sh> binBASH: but when we see that the US customers are throwing away webex, we will do a contract with a datacenter provider and building our new US facility ;) that means today we would need somewhat about 60-90 servers (HP BL4** /DL3{6,8}5 + network infra from cisco)
[16:36] <\sh> binBASH: well, we do have some more machines at rackspace (real hw)
[16:36] <binBASH> \sh: Our customers won't pay that much for all that kind of servers
[16:36] <binBASH> :(
[16:37] <binBASH> \sh: you know they make over 30K monthly, but don't want to invest too much in hosting :D
[16:38] <binBASH> so we don't have option here to buy a massive amount of servers for them
[16:39] <\sh> binBASH: 30K? that's what we are paying for our module in ffm including traffic
[16:40] <binBASH> hehe
[16:40] <binBASH> \sh: Well we are a very small company.
[16:41] <poolvibe> can samba be served over the net with ssh?
[16:43] <yitz_> poolvibe: sshfs ?
[16:45] <poolvibe> yitz_  I want to give access to a file server with samba but hardened a bit
[18:01] <Maletor> why did freenode tell me this? http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#proxies when i visited http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ I have been getting CSRF attempts from that host
[18:04] <Maletor> Preliminary research suggests it is a proxy at Freenode itself trying to POST the shit out of my server.
[18:40] <bogeyd6> can you use one computer to load balance between multiple machines
[18:56] <mathiaz> bogeyd6: usually yes - it depends on your application though
[18:57] <mathiaz> bogeyd6: for http, ha-proxy is a good choice
[18:59] <RoAkSoAx> bogeyd6: if you look to loadbalance Web traffic, haproxy is probably your best option. For other stuff, IPVS might be a better option
[19:13] <bluethundr> I am running ubuntu-server under VirtalBox.. I need to get copy-paste in the terminal working so that I can work with it more effectively
[19:14] <bluethundr> this was the winning forumula under Fedora: http://pastebin.ca/1989319
[19:14] <bluethundr> how do I do the same under ubuntu server? what packages would I need?
[19:18] <hallyn> jdstrand: you were right in the first place - the statstest test fails to compile bc it shouldnt' compile when we don't use xen - and we dont' compile xen for amd/ppc (obv)
[19:38] <jdstrand> hallyn: oh, cool :)
[20:15] <hallyn> jdstrand: i'll let it bake in a ppa before i request a merge
[20:16] <jdstrand> hallyn: the ppa will only build amd64 and i386 right?
[20:16] <jdstrand> hallyn: oh, but you probably know it builds from the poting machines
[20:16] <jdstrand> porting
[20:16] <jdstrand> hallyn: do you need the armel porting box?
[20:16] <hallyn> oh, will they?  feh
[20:17] <hallyn> no,
[20:17] <hallyn> the ppc porting box had no tools on it, and i don't know of an armel one
[20:17] <jdstrand> huh?
[20:17] <hallyn> so maybe i'll just go ahead and request the merge.  it built locally
[20:17]  * jdstrand goes to look
[20:17] <hallyn> davis doesn't have much of anything.  i couldn't even manually ./configure
[20:17] <jdstrand> hallyn: did you see the motd when you logged in?
[20:18] <hallyn> nnnope
[20:18] <jdstrand> hallyn: try logging in again
[20:18] <hallyn> $*(&%*($&%
[20:18] <hallyn> all right, i'll try my tree there, thanks :)
[20:19] <jdstrand> hallyn: what I have as the porter box for armel is allowing me to login...
[20:20] <zul> hey guys what version of libvirt are we using?
[20:20] <jdstrand> zul: 0.8.5 in natty atm
[20:20] <zul> jdstrand: thanks
[20:20] <hallyn> jdstrand: failure was identical on both, so i'll assume if it works on ppc it works on arm
[20:20] <jdstrand> zul: 0.8.6 should be out be the end of the month. depending on how hallyn feels, we might get it for natty
[20:21] <hallyn> absolutely
[20:21]  * jdstrand nods
[20:21]  * hallyn feels spunky
[20:21] <jdstrand> hehe
[20:21] <zul> jdstrand: the newer the better for openstack ;)
[20:21] <jdstrand> well, I imagine soren would be available to help then :)
[20:21]  * jdstrand waves to soren
[20:36] <noaXess> how are the 3ware commands?
[20:37] <noaXess> to check status of the 3ware controller?
[20:50] <Ninjix> anyone having Lotus trouble?
[21:05] <eriksson25> Hi, anyone know how I can disable mantis driver from spamming my syslog?
[21:11] <bogeyd6> how can i use the command line to upgrade only certain packages
[21:12] <erichammond> bogeyd6: This works for me: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install PACKAGENAME
[21:12] <bogeyd6> hmm
[21:12] <bogeyd6> k
[21:13] <mrmist> or apt-get upgrade ...
[21:13] <erichammond> mrmist: apt-get upgrade seems to want to upgrade other packages, too.
[21:15] <dandifiedgari>  :)
[21:16] <mrmist> ahh one particular package, right
[21:21] <osmosis> how can I stop kvm and kvm_intel modules from loading at bootup?
[21:23] <eriksson25> Hi, anyone know how I can disable mantis driver from spamming my syslog?
[21:25] <mrmist> add them to  /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf  ?
[21:25] <hallyn> osmosis: look at /etc/init/qemu-kvm.conf
[21:26] <hallyn> osmosis: i think if you disable that, they won't auto-load
[21:27] <eriksson25> I dont want to kill the driver, just want it not to put alot of stuf in the syslog.
[21:32] <osmosis> hallyn, nice idea
[21:32] <osmosis> hallyn, hmm...how do disable though
[21:33] <osmosis> hallyn, i dont want to start commenting out stuff in a system script that could be replaced at upgrade
[21:33] <osmosis> hallyn, maybe i just need to disable the qemu-kvm system service? not sure how to do that either
[21:37] <hallyn> osmosis: you can probably just 'mv qemu-kvm.conf qemu-kvm.conf.no'.  Or, comment out the 'start on' line.  Or, put 'exit 0' as the first line of the script (so, next line after 'pre-start script')
[21:44] <eriksson25> mrmist: How do I restart syslog so it stops spaming mantis now that I have put it on blacklist
[21:46] <mrmist> eriksson25: erm /etc/init.d/rsyslog restart probably but I'd expect you'd want to restart whatever is loging to it rather than the logger.
[21:46] <eriksson25> probl
[21:47] <mrmist> by the way when I was talking about blacklist.conf before i was answering a different question
[21:48] <garymc> Hi anyone know where I can find my PHP error log file?
[21:48] <eriksson25> lol, sorry I missunderstood
[21:48] <garymc> i have it set to /var/log/php-errors.log in the php.ini but its not showing
[21:48] <garymc> im on ubuntu should I ask this in php?
[21:49] <garymc> whoudl I have to chown the file?
[21:53] <lullabud> anybody know of an ubuntu livecd that has the vmware tools installed already?  or any other livecd, for that matter...
[22:14] <lullabud> when you mount a remote server using Places->Connect to Server, is there a way to make that mount show up to the filesystem so you can interact with it via the CLI?
[22:14] <MagicFab> lullabud, I guarantee it doesn't.
[22:14] <lullabud> lovely.
[22:14] <MagicFab> lullabud, I was answering re: vmware-tools
[22:15] <lullabud> oh, thanks.  that's what i figured... might end up just making my own.
[22:16] <lullabud> also, i was thinking it would be nice to get versions of Windows that were designed to be used within vmware and didn't include all the drivers for all the extra hardware that will never be attached to the vm.  i don't suppose something like that exists either...
[22:16] <MagicFab> you can normally install most packages from live CD anyways... but haven't tried those
[22:17] <dandifiedgari> lllk
[22:17] <dandifiedgari> dandifiedgari
[22:21] <lullabud> found the answer to the places->connect to server question, the mounts show up in ~/.gvfs
[22:46] <garymc> anyone help me get my cronjob to work
[22:46] <lullabud> garymc: what's wrong with your cron?
[22:47] <garymc> where do i put it?
[22:47] <lullabud> crontab -e
[22:47] <garymc> what do i call the file
[22:47] <garymc> yeah i do that then it asks where should I output it to
[22:47] <lullabud> oh, just save whatever it's editing...
[22:48] <lullabud> crontab -e opens a temp file with the existing crontab, lets you edit it, and then when you're done it puts the updated crontab file into place.
[22:50] <garymc> ok my job has a # infront of it in the file it created
[22:50] <lullabud> that will prevent it from running.
[22:51] <garymc> it also says do not edit this file
[22:51] <lullabud> look at the example crontab here - http://linux.die.net/man/5/crontab
[22:51] <garymc> why is crontab -e putting # at the beggining?
[22:51] <lullabud> see how comments are denoted with # ?
[22:51] <lullabud> you can delete the # if you want it to run...
[22:52] <lullabud> i usually just comment out old entries instead of removing them... that way they're already there if i need to put them back.
[22:53] <lullabud> garymc: use pastebin.com if you need me to look at it
[22:55] <garymc> lullabud : http://pastebin.com/1256qwBP
[22:56] <lullabud> so, line 4 will run every night at 10:55pm
[22:57] <garymc> yes
[22:57] <garymc> it works :)
[22:58] <lullabud> what OS is that?  you got that info by doing crontab -e?  that's an odd warning...
[22:59] <garymc> yes
[22:59] <garymc> how about thei
[22:59] <garymc> 30 09 * * * php /var/www-ssl/orderCron.php
[23:03] <lullabud> that would run at 9:30am
[23:03] <lullabud> each day
[23:04] <lullabud> you should probably put the absolute path to php, especially if it's running as root, just in case.
[23:06] <garymc> what you mean? Absolute to php?
[23:06] <garymc> that command seems to be doing the trick
[23:08] <lullabud> find the absolute path to php by doing `which php`, then put that in there instead of just php
[23:08] <lullabud> you don't need to, but it's a good habit to get into.
[23:10] <garymc> ohh ok
[23:29] <mathiaz> kirkland: hey - here is another cobbler-like project: https://github.com/proffalken/edison


[02:55] <jmlowe> I think I have found a bug in 3.2, I'm not sure how to proceede
[02:57] <jmlowe> When I switch from the 3.0.0-14 from 11.10 to the one here http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.2-precise I see a 265000% performance hit with my hp p800 raid controller using the cciss driver as measured by hdparm
[07:51] <_ruben> jmlowe: hdparm isn't the right tool for determining performance, use bonny++/iometer/etc instead .. though 265000% is rather "impressive"
[07:52] <ohsix> or palimpsest's builtin tests :]
[07:52] <ohsix> (called Disk Utility in the menus under administration)
[07:53] <ohsix> but yea you don't often use a disk without a filesystem so they are often more relevant types of tests
[09:51] <czajkowski> apw: you about?
[10:35] <brendand> apw - so what does it mean that the intel_iommu=off did the trick for that server?
[10:35] <brendand> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/907377
[10:35] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 907377 in linux "HP ProLiant DL360 G6 has debootstrap errors during install of Precise Alpha 1" [High,Triaged]
[10:50] <apw> brendand, means its a config option thats triggered it, one changed in precise.  we're reporting it now
[11:14] <czajkowski> I'm having some images looking rather corrupt on Precise - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/914167
[11:14] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 914167 in linux "application images on system seem corrupted " [Undecided,Incomplete]
[11:24] <jmlowe> _ruben: ack, but it should be a bit more stable, with i/o less than 100KBs measured by iotop and iostat, my raid controller acts like my pcie bus turned into a dsl line, I've got uninterruptible waits left and right and load north of 100, proper benchmarking tools will tell me what I already know
[11:35] <_ruben> jmlowe: that's important details you didn't mention before :)
[11:39] <jmlowe> _ruben: I have also since found that it is triggered by something and fixed by a reboot untill the next trigger, haven't determined what the trigger is exactly
[12:28] <jmlowe> hey there is something "sched: RT throttling activated"
[13:21] <vi390> is there anything known about if touchscreen drivers specific for Dell st2220t are in 3.0.0-14 kernel? (https://groups.google.com/group/fa.linux.kernel/browse_thread/thread/51eb74dac9866a4f/7c7e23afdee025e8?lnk=gst&q=Dell+ST2220T#7c7e23afdee025e8) is it still in there?  might have get removed, and how can I check that?
[15:34] <vi390> i need kernel 3.0.0-14.23 in apt it only says 3.0.0-14without the sub version. How can I be shure to get a .23 version?   I need this included https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/791833
[15:34] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 791833 in linux "Dell ST2220T Monitor responds to touch only on warm boot from windows" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:36] <vi390> ooh, ok its the hashed number I guess, so i have the #23 already :)
[22:41] <colorx> help hac x
[22:41] <colorx> hac as
[22:41]  * colorx Fatal error: Call to a member function setTitle() on a non-object in /home/cssmenum/public_html/builder/step1.php on line 77


[03:45] <thafreak> paultag: your new anthem.... http://dualcoremusic.bandcamp.com/track/all-the-things
[03:46] <thafreak> the hook goes..."drink all the booze, hack all the things..."
[04:50] <canthus13> Hack all the booze!
[11:43] <paultag> hahahaha
[13:31] <paultag> thafreak: you ready for OLF?
[13:31] <paultag> thafreak: speaking of boozing all the things
[14:08] <thafreak> paultag: not sure if I'll be boozing at OLF
[14:08] <thafreak> After party isn't open anymore...you have to buy tickets...and Dual Core won't be performing
[14:08] <thafreak> :( :(
[14:09] <paultag> thafreak: I'm planning on bringing a flask
[14:09] <thafreak> it's only $5, but still...no Dual Core
[14:09] <thafreak> Flask for  during the day, or the after party?
[14:09] <paultag> yes? :)
[14:09] <thafreak> Did you buy your after party tickets?
[14:09] <thafreak> I still haven't registered yet
[14:09] <paultag> yeah, I did
[14:10] <thafreak> hmm...well perhaps if taggypants will be there, it will be enough...I mean you're no Dual Core...but...
[14:11] <paultag> thafreak: tenach will be there, too, I think.
[14:14] <thafreak> don't think I met him/her before...
[14:14] <thafreak> What day will you be going down?
[14:14] <thafreak> I may ask my boss if she'll pay for the training part on friday afternoon
[14:14] <thafreak> and a hotel room
[14:15]  * thafreak just had an idea
[14:17] <paultag> I'll be down friday night → sunday
[14:17] <thafreak> "some one" could take a raspberry pi, put openvpn on it, and set it up to tunnel out through 53/udp
[14:17] <thafreak> then connect a wireless ap to it
[14:17] <thafreak> can have free wifi at OLF
[14:17] <paultag> truth
[14:18] <thafreak> and all the internet traffic will look like weird encrypted dns traffic
[14:18] <thafreak> So do you know if anyone got a booth for the loco?
[14:18] <paultag> No one did, last I knew.
[14:18] <thafreak> Maybe it's good if we don't...
[14:18] <thafreak> I tend to stand around the booth too much, and never make it to any talks
[14:18] <paultag> yar
[14:19] <thafreak> so, you getting a hotel, or do you have friends in cbus you're crashing with
[14:19] <paultag> hotel
[14:19]  * thafreak needs to see if there are even any rooms left...
[14:20] <paultag> there are
[14:20] <thafreak> you at drury?
[14:20] <paultag> not this year, they don't have an online order thing
[14:21] <paultag> Hyatt Regency
[14:22] <thafreak> i see...is the hyatt the one attached to the conference center?
[14:22] <paultag> I think it is on one side
[14:22] <paultag> Dury is on the other
[14:22] <paultag> last I knew
[14:22] <paultag> Drury whatevs
[14:22] <paultag> I *think*
[14:23] <paultag> Choose Hyatt Regency Columbus as the home base for your adventures and discover the exciting capital of Ohio in style. Our newly renovated downtown Columbus hotel is in the heart of the city, connected to the Greater Columbus Convention Center and within easy walking distance to the Arena District and Huntington Park - an ideal location for business and leisure travelers alike.
[14:23] <paultag> yeah, swag
[14:23] <thafreak> ah cool
[14:23] <thafreak> i prefer to stay at one actually attached...so I can just walk
[14:23] <paultag> Drury is too
[14:23] <paultag> that's where I was two years ago
[14:23] <paultag> but Hyatt has a bar attached
[14:23] <thafreak> wow, looks like they're going to offer LPI 301 on sunday...hmmm
[14:24] <thafreak> did the 201 and 202 last year...but I never studied...and I think I'd actually have to study for the 301
[14:24] <thafreak> since it's mostly winblows/linux interop
[14:24] <paultag> hahaha, awesome.
[14:25] <thafreak> not sure it
[14:25] <paultag> thafreak: I want to sprint @ OLF and finish http://debuild.me/
[14:25] <thafreak> it's really worth going any further with LPI :/
[14:26] <thafreak> so...can people donate spare cycles some where to help build/test?
[14:26] <paultag> it's going to use EC2 :)
[14:26] <paultag> it's to do hardcore testing of packages
[14:28] <thafreak> gotcha
[14:28] <paultag> thafreak: the site looks swanky so far
[14:28] <paultag> needs more 2.0, though
[14:28] <thafreak> like running tests included with the package code...like running make test or whatever?
[14:28] <paultag> no no, like hardcore testing
[14:29] <paultag> deep source linting
[14:29] <paultag> license checking and strict logic checks
[14:29] <paultag> absuse the package to test for policy corner-cases
[14:30] <paultag> file comparisons for copied source
[14:30] <paultag> crazy stuff. good stuff.
[14:30] <thafreak> oh kk
[14:30] <paultag> if people make it though this, their stuff is in good shape
[14:31] <thafreak> I still want to get into packaging...
[14:32] <thafreak> I'm sure it's not too hard...just don't have the time to sit down and read up
[14:32] <paultag> trying to make debuild.me happy with your app would be a sure wayt o know your shit
[14:45] <thafreak> The best I've been able to do, is download source debs, make a few changes and build custom debs...
[14:45] <thafreak> but that's about the extent of my deb knowledge thus far
[14:46] <thafreak> I know there's automated tools to generate most of the stuff you need...but it's still like a black art to me
[14:46] <paultag> then just call me voldermort, homeslice
[14:48] <thafreak> yeah....about that...
[14:48] <thafreak> wait, is that harry potter reference?
[14:48] <paultag> I think so
[14:48] <thafreak> yeah you have all the novel's stuffed under your matress i bet
[14:48] <paultag> I only read the first 3
[14:50] <paultag> https://www.rdio.com/artist/WHY_1/album/Alopecia_1/
[14:50] <paultag> if anyone wants good music
[16:38] <thafreak> Crap, adam warrock is touring and will be in CLE tonight...that would have been a cool show to see
[16:38] <paultag> why? is coming soon
[16:39] <thafreak> adam warrock has some awesome songs...
[16:39] <thafreak> he's only in CLE tonight :(
[16:39] <paultag> as does why?
[16:39] <thafreak> huh?
[16:39] <thafreak> you haven't heard his music?
[16:39] <paultag> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why%3F_(American_band)
[16:40] <paultag> he'll be in CLE shortly
[16:40] <thafreak> my fav is nerd corps. feat int 0x80 from dual core
[16:40] <paultag> you should see him
[16:41] <thafreak> never heard of them
[16:42] <thafreak> and I only go to CLE when absolutely necessary...
[16:42]  * paultag frowns
[16:42]  * thafreak really dislikes CLE...especially driving there
[16:42]  * thafreak would rather drive to Akron any day...
[16:43]  * paultag frowns
[16:43]  * thafreak only wishes there were a microcenter in Akron...
[16:43] <paultag> there's one in CLE next to that cheep place to get food and the urgent care
[16:43] <paultag> the land of winners
[16:44] <canthus13> *wieners
[16:45] <canthus13> thafreak: Really? I love driving in CLE.  It's fun to do 85 and get passed by cops. :)
[16:45] <thafreak> how can you drive 85? when all the people in front of you are slamming there breaks and swearving constantly?
[16:45] <thafreak> My average driving speed when I commuted to CLE was about 3mph
[16:45] <canthus13> thafreak: really? We must drive different roads and times.
[16:46] <canthus13> I got that once.. there was a wreck at that 90 degree turn on 90.
[16:46] <thafreak> yeah...you drive on ANY road that comes ANYWHERE near 480, and your average/median driving speed will be about 4-5mph for the year
[16:47] <canthus13> Dallas is fun. bumper-to-bumper, 80mph, swerving, bouncing off of medians.... at 3am. o.o
[16:47] <thafreak> I regularly sat....in park...on 271
[16:47] <canthus13> I must just not drive through there at the right time.
[16:47] <thafreak> yeah, try going when everyone else is going to work
[16:47] <thafreak> or coming home from work
[16:47] <thafreak> 6-7am it's not too bad
[16:48] <thafreak> and the days I had to go to work on sundays for releases, the driving was alright
[16:48] <thafreak> so if you go to work at 6am, and don't leave till about 7pm, you'll have no problem driving
[16:48] <thafreak> but then you'll have worked like 12 hours
[16:49] <canthus13> I've driven in the middle of the day and middle of the night... and late afternoon.
[16:51] <thafreak> well, there you go
[16:51] <thafreak> i've gone up to microcenter mid day, that's not bad
[16:51] <thafreak> but I've also gone downtown, like key bank tower and play house square area...
[16:51] <thafreak> traffic isn't too bad, but it's real shady
[17:13] <thafreak> So, apparently, java servlet based websites...you're not suppoed to click on any of the links
[17:14] <thafreak> cause it makes java go to 100% cpu usage, and then everything times out...
[17:14] <thafreak> so awesome
[17:14] <thafreak> gotta love "enterprise" web applications


[07:25] <jibel> good morning
[07:44] <jibel> DanChapman, morning, I'm looking at LVM tests failures. It could be caused by latest upload of parted
[07:56] <jibel> DanChapman, confirmed, downgrading parted to 2.3-16ubuntu3 fixes the problem
[07:57] <jibel> I'll report a bug
[09:24] <DanChapman> jibel, good morning, that's great! nice to see it catching bugs :-)
[09:25] <jibel> DanChapman, yes that's great. bug 1300072 for reference
[09:26] <DanChapman> brilliant thanks
[10:09] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:02] <xnox> jibel: DanChapman: whoop! whoop! on catching this =)
[14:11] <elopio> good morning team
[14:12] <rvr> elopio: Good morning
[14:12] <rvr> elopio: Meeting time :)
[14:21] <davmor2> elopio: Hey dude how's things
[14:37] <elopio> rvr: I think you forgot to upload the helpers.py file on your system settings branch.
[14:37] <rvr> elopio: Argh
[14:38] <rvr> Right, corrected
[14:42] <balloons> ping DanChapman
[14:43] <elfy> hi balloons
[14:43] <DanChapman> pong balloons
[14:43] <DanChapman> how's it going
[14:45] <balloons> hey elfy
[14:46] <balloons> DanChapman, I was wondering if you would be willing to help out with writing some AP tests for reminders
[14:48] <balloons> it needs some love, and it's certainly been a challenge. It could use someone with skills like yourself :-)
[14:49] <DanChapman> balloons: i sure can, is there a list of needed testcases?
[14:51] <balloons> DanChapman, yes there is. https://bugs.launchpad.net/reminders-app/+bugs?field.tag=needs-autopilot-test
[14:52] <balloons> DanChapman, have time for a hangout today and I can fill you in on everything?
[14:53] <balloons> there's been some work done, but one of the key bits is since it's an external service the tests need to be able to setup and account as well as potentially mock things
[15:00] <DanChapman> balloons: I've got to pop out for a bit soon but i can do a hangout between 18.00 & 21.00 UTC? otherwise anytime tomorrow is good for me
[15:01] <balloons> DanChapman, just ping when you are back.. That timeframe sounds fine for me
[15:02] <balloons> I appreciate it !
[15:02] <DanChapman> balloons: cool will do :-D
[15:03]  * DanChapman plans to get rid of the nasty -q option aswell
[15:04] <balloons> <3!
[17:47] <balloons> elfy, seems I'm still not getting mails about subbed threads @ the forums :-(
[17:51] <elfy> balloons: that's because Subscribe with no notification is set
[17:52] <elfy> do you want daily, instant or weekly email notification
[17:53] <balloons> elfy, I see.. haha
[17:53] <elfy> do you want ubuntu member set?
[17:53] <balloons> the other one was set to daily, but this one is not
[17:53] <elfy> I'm in there now so can do all at the same time
[17:54] <elfy> I can set it so you're always daily if you want
[17:54] <balloons> I've got it set now.. the thing is, I know I set this before
[17:54]  * balloons swears he's not crazy
[17:54] <elfy> you want the member flag set
[17:54] <elfy> ?
[17:55] <balloons> will that send mail whenever I'm mentioneD
[17:55] <balloons> ?
[17:55] <elfy> the member flag? no - that just gives you the ubuntu member user flag
[17:55] <balloons> ohh
[17:56] <elfy> you're overall sub setting is still no notification :p
[17:56] <balloons> yes, that's fine
[17:57] <elfy> ok
[17:57] <elfy> did you set it to daily or immediate?
[17:57] <balloons> I set it to weekly
[17:58] <balloons> but sometimes I want daily/immediate, so I marked the threads in that case
[17:58] <elfy> so how do you know you're not getting mails? you only posted 3 days ago ...
[17:58] <balloons> I marked the thread daily..
[17:58] <elfy> aah ok
[18:03] <elfy> balloons: look at the front page of the forum at your name :p
[18:03] <balloons> ohh..  Yea, nostalgia wins out on this one I think
[18:04] <elfy> ha ha ha
[18:07]  * elfy wanders off to asmincp to fiddle with the beans cutoff points just to tip balloons into a new group ...
[18:09] <balloons> lol.. ohh boy
[18:34] <DanChapman> balloons: hey i'm about now if you want to catch up
[18:36] <elfy> DanChapman: he's currently in panic mode as I have control of his forum account :p
[18:37] <DanChapman> elfy, haha don't let that forestpiskie get near it though. Definate cause of trouble that one :p
[18:37] <elfy> not anymore - no forestpiskie on the forum - just that pesky elfy admin guy
[18:38] <DanChapman> :-D
[18:42] <balloons> DanChapman, sure, let;s do it
[18:58] <balloons> thanks DanChapman :-)
[18:59] <DanChapman> balloons: no need to thank, all in a days work and all that :-D
[18:59] <balloons> I think you'll have fun, and it would be good to have another "example" of good tests to point at
[19:35] <Letozaf_> balloons, hello
[19:52] <balloons> Letozaf_, howdy
[19:53] <Letozaf_> balloons, I'm fine and you ?
[19:55] <balloons> Letozaf_, doing pretty well. So I asked DanChapman to have a look at helping out with reminders tests as well. He's going to look at getting the credentials going, mocking, and try and help get this landed :-)
[19:56] <Letozaf_> balloons, great
[19:56]  * DanChapman waves
[19:56] <Letozaf_> DanChapman, o/
[20:09] <balloons> so Letozaf_ how is things as they stand?
[20:11] <Letozaf_> balloons, I was trying to figure out what to do, I mean, for reminders I am waiting for a bug to be solved, so for rssreader app
[20:12] <Letozaf_> balloons, but maybe rssreader needs to be refactored, so I was looking at it, but not sure I can do much until the tabs problem is solved
[20:14] <balloons> Letozaf_, ohh right, the tabs thing.. what's the status of that bug?
[20:14] <Letozaf_> balloons, but what was done on rssreader app, those page objects, must that be done also on reminders for instance ?
[20:15] <Letozaf_> balloons, oh the tabs thing... let me look
[20:15] <balloons> Letozaf_, yes you can structure the test in the same page-object model
[20:16] <Letozaf_> balloons, but is that going to be the way we have to test, I mean is it just o choice or a must
[20:17] <balloons> Letozaf_, nothing is a must.. but it is a goal :-)
[20:17] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok I understand :) that's right :D
[20:18] <balloons> Letozaf_, so yea clock is the best example of the full testsuite being converted
[20:18] <balloons> since reminders is new, it makes sense to adopt this from the start
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes ok
[20:19] <Letozaf_> balloons, for the tab bug it's still there waiting for someone to take care of it :P
[20:19] <Letozaf_> balloons, https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/ubuntu-rssreader-app/tests-refactoring/+merge/213335
[20:25] <balloons> Letozaf_, ohh yes I remember
[20:27] <Letozaf_> balloons, :D
[20:36] <Letozaf_> balloons, does rssreader app run on your desktop ?
[20:40] <Letozaf_> balloons, I get: file:///usr/share/shorts-app/shorts-app.qml:351 Type SavedTab unavailable
[20:40] <Letozaf_> file:///usr/share/shorts-app/SavedTab.qml:20 ListModePage is not a type
[20:43] <balloons> Letozaf_, from trunk or the binary/
[20:44] <Letozaf_> balloons, the binary
[20:45] <Letozaf_> balloons, just launched shorts-app from terminal and rssreader-app is installed
[20:48] <balloons> Letozaf_, from your branch it's fine. From the binary, I get the same error
[20:48] <balloons> heh, that's a problem
[20:48] <Letozaf_> balloons, a bug !
[20:49] <balloons> well, let's try trunk first
[20:49] <balloons> Letozaf_, seems to work from trunk
[20:50] <jtaylor> pitti: you closed bug 1292431 is this already running in trusty jenkins?
[20:50] <balloons> Letozaf_, I would say yes it's a problem, but only with the build in the ppa
[20:50] <jtaylor> can't find it in any log of a few recent builds :(
[20:51] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok
[20:54] <balloons> Letozaf_, I'll get it rebuilt so it works
[21:18] <alesage> elopio, when you have a minute https://code.launchpad.net/~allanlesage/unity8/autopilot-indicator-page-title-matches-widget/+merge/196991
[21:18] <alesage> elopio, do you have any urgent MPs I can help with?
[21:18] <elopio> looking right now.
[21:18] <elopio> alesage: no, I'm stuck trying to reproduce failures on the clock with the toolkit that they want to land.
[21:18] <elopio> boring job.
[21:19] <alesage> elopio ho-hum ok
[21:31] <elopio> alesage: on file tests/autopilot/unity8/indicators/tests/test_indicators.py you still need to update the copyright year.
[21:32] <alesage> elopio darn let me look
[21:32] <elopio> alesage: I'm happy with this branch. I'm just wondering about the test_indicator_exists
[21:32] <elopio> it calls a method that returns an autopilot object, and has no assertion on it. Which makes me think it's not a user story test.
[21:33] <elopio> alesage: as test_indicator_page_title_matches_widget calls that same method, would it make sense to remove the other test?
[21:33] <alesage> elopio, I'll have to think about that: it's really just testing that the widget appears
[21:33] <alesage> elopio, yes I understand and had the same impulse
[21:34] <alesage> elopio, I'm not sure that there is a user story there except "appearance"
[21:48] <elopio> alesage: opening the indicator to see more details seems closer to a story, and we can just throw a nice exception if the indicator is not present.
[21:49] <elopio> def get_indicator_widget(self, indicator_name):
[21:49] <elopio>    try:
[21:49] <elopio>       return self.select_single(...)
[21:49] <elopio>    except dbus.StateNotFoundError:
[21:49] <elopio>       raise ToolkitEmulatorException('indicator {} not present.'.format(indicator_name)
[21:49] <elopio> alesage: that's pseudocode, because I don't remember the real names of the classes.
[21:50] <alesage> elopio that's fair, yes
[21:51] <alesage> elopio hypothetically we'll have some appearance-based tests, based on the fullness of the power icon, etc.
[21:51] <alesage> I guess that would be icon.is_full() or some such
[21:51] <alesage> i.e. with an emulator for the appearance of the indicator widget
[21:51] <elopio> alesage: that's nice, yes.
[21:52] <elopio> alesage: and also we will make experience tests about opening the time and date settings from the indicator
[21:52] <elopio> calling this helper you are adding here.
[22:22] <__apr__> I have a question about auto-pkg-test ( http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/auto-pkg-test.html#getting-the-test-into-ubuntu )
[22:22] <__apr__> can anyone fork a package, add tests, and run them?
[22:25] <jtaylor> yes


[01:09] <alecu> mmcc_: calling IPC after the reactor has finished? it can certainly work on linux, since we are using dbus, but it's no wonder that it does nothing on darwin and windows, since the ipc needs the twisted reactor to be running. Let's discuss about this tomorrow in your AM.
[07:10] <mmcc_> Tried to send this earlier but had connection issues: I tried again to create a menu item that overrides the Qt default item that calls Qapplication::quit(). This time it worked, so here's a diff that catches cmd-q and kills syncdaemon then cleans up: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1254978/ - I think this is the right way to go, but I'm curious if anyone thinks main is the wrong place to put it.
[07:50] <mandel> morning all!
[08:13] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[11:13] <gatox> good morning!
[11:38] <mandel> gatox, buenas :)
[11:44] <gatox> mandel, elo!
[12:09]  * gatox is not starting very well the morning
[12:10] <gatox> if i execute the tests in mac, everything is ok..... i with the same pythonpath i try to execute control panel.... it says it can't find PyQt
[12:13] <mandel> gatox, are you using the python installed by brew?
[12:13] <mandel> gatox, if not, it will be using other path or the other way around, you installed pyqt with brew and you are using the python found inthe system
[12:14] <gatox> mandel, you are awesome! jejeej i was executing u1-cp as ./bin/ubu... if i do: python bin/ubu... it works!
[12:14] <mandel> gatox, glad to help :)
[12:36] <dobey> meh
[12:50] <mandel> lunch time for me
[13:31] <alecu> Hi all,
[13:31] <gatox> alecu, hi
[13:32] <alecu> Gatox, hi!  :P
[13:34] <alecu> Gatox, I came here to see if everything was okay
[13:34] <dobey> fml
[13:34] <alecu> Gatox, Ok...  Thanks!
[13:34] <gatox> alecu, at least for me..... i was kind of blocked with mac..... but i figure it out some stuff that was failing and moving on now
[13:35] <alecu> Dobey, what happened?
[13:36] <dobey> alecu: i think a qt update in quantal broke ubuntu-sso-client :(
[13:36] <alecu> Ouch
[13:37] <alecu> In how many pieces?
[13:37] <dobey> testing with the previous version (4.8.2) now, to see
[13:38] <alecu> I mean, dobey: what part of it is broken?
[13:38] <dobey> indeed, downgrading qt, and the failing tests pass now
[13:38] <dobey> alecu: at least qtnetwork
[13:39] <alecu> Ugh
[13:39] <dobey> alecu: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu-sso-client/update-4-0/+merge/127358/comments/274187/+download
[13:41]  * dobey wonders why these tests are failing exactly
[13:43] <alecu> dobey: It looks like every proxy test that is related to authentication is broken.
[13:44] <dobey> well, and ubuntu_sso.utils.webclient.tests.test_webclient.BasicProxyTestCase.test_anonymous_proxy_is_used
[13:44] <alecu> dobey: that's related to authentication too
[13:46] <alecu> dobey: I'm sure Mandel may be able to give you a hand with those tests, since he worked on all of them afaicr
[13:48] <alecu> I'm sorry I can't be of much further help: I've been feeling dizzy the whole morning, so I'm taking a sick day
[13:49]  * alecu will be back later today
[13:50] <dobey> alecu: go rest
[14:09] <dobey> wtf
[14:09] <dobey> the tests pass when i run them on my laptop with the newer qt
[14:09] <dobey> but are failing in tarmac
[14:15] <mandel> alecu, ouch, get better!
[14:16] <dobey> mandel: ^^ any idea about those failing tests?
[14:16] <mandel> dobey, let me take a look
[14:20] <mandel> dobey, what version of squid are you running? it looks like the tests are not going throw squid
[14:20] <mandel> dobey,  to be prices the via/squid header is missing
[14:21] <dobey> 3.1.20-1ubuntu1
[14:22] <dobey> mandel: right, the header is missing; but it's a change in qt that affected this
[14:22] <ralsina> alecu: go away, you are sick ;-)
[14:22] <dobey> what's weird though, is that the tests pass on my laptop, but not in tarmac :(
[14:22] <mandel> dobey, hm.. let me try to run the tests in Q
[14:22] <mandel> dobey, is your desktop Q too?
[14:22] <dobey> mandel: no, my workstation is still precise
[14:23] <mandel> ack
[14:27] <mandel> dobey, I can reproduce the failure in !
[14:27] <mandel> dobey, seems like a Q problem, give me some mins and I'll try to debug what is going on
[14:28] <dobey> yes, like i said, it's due to a change in qt that happened in the upload for 4.8.3
[14:28] <dobey> oh, on my laptop the tests were just skipped it seems :-/
[14:37] <mandel> dobey, it looks like the rest of the headers are correctly added but the one from squid
[14:37] <mandel> gatox, do you remember the doc we had to set up the mac env?
[14:38] <gatox> mandel, yes... pm with that
[14:38] <mandel> thx
[14:40] <dobey> mandel: probably because qt isn't connecting to it
[14:40] <mandel> dobey, as in going straight to the localhost.. probably, let me check that, is quite simple
[14:54] <mandel> dobey, could it be that the via header is disabled by default in squid?
[14:54] <mandel> dobey, which might have been updated
[14:55] <ralsina> mandel: since you are the one that has something the closest to working on the in-dash stuff: can you contact John lea and show it to him?
[14:55] <ralsina> mandel: to make sure we are not missing something from the design and such.
[14:55] <mandel> ralsina, sure, I can send him a video etc..
[14:55]  * ralsina carefully avoids explaining how to "show" that
[14:55] <dobey> mandel: no, squid hasn't changed at all
[14:55] <mandel> dobey, not event the default conf?
[14:56] <ralsina> mandel: an interactive demo would be ideal, but I suppose building the whole stack is near-impossible, right?
[14:56] <dobey> mandel: no, the package hasn't changed in months
[14:56] <mandel> dobey, ok.. must be something else
[14:56] <mandel> ralsina, yes, that is not feasible
[14:56] <dobey> mandel: like i said, it's qt. if i install the old version (4.8.2) the tests pass fine, and they fail with 4.8.3
[14:56] <mandel> dobey, ok.. I wonder why..
[14:57] <ralsina> mandel: so video it is.
[14:57] <mandel> ralsina, let me help dobey first
[14:57] <ralsina> mandel: no rush, tomorrow's fine
[15:00] <gatox> me
[15:00] <dobey> me
[15:00] <briancurtin> me
[15:01] <mmcc_> me
[15:01] <dobey> mandel, ralsina: standup?
[15:01] <mandel> me
[15:01] <ralsina> sorry, otp
[15:01] <ralsina> me
[15:01] <gatox> DONE:
[15:02] <gatox> Working on shares tab issue on mac, tracking why the ipc communication or something is failing and the response is not being received.
[15:02] <gatox> TODO:
[15:02] <gatox> Finish with that issue and move on to fix another mac stuff.
[15:02] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[15:02] <gatox> No
[15:02] <gatox> dobey, go
[15:02] <dobey> DONE: releases, uploads
[15:02] <dobey> TODO: finish 4.0.0 releases/uploads, poke py3 twisted guys about packaging
[15:02] <dobey> BLCK: None
[15:02] <dobey> briancurtin: go
[15:02] <briancurtin> DONE: debugging, ended up taking a half day for the john hunter memorial service
[15:02] <briancurtin> TODO: windows u1cp env debugging
[15:02] <briancurtin> NEXT: mmcc_
[15:02] <mmcc> DONE: figured out how to catch cmd-q
[15:02] <mmcc> TODO: polish up cmd-q, work on daemon mem usage
[15:02] <mmcc> BLOCK: no
[15:02] <mmcc> next: mandel
[15:02] <mandel> DONE: More work on unity not compiling. Splitted most of the code out of the preview.
[15:02] <mandel> TODO: more splitting. try to land it. help dobey with proxy.
[15:02] <mandel> BLOCKED:no
[15:02] <mandel> ralsina, please
[15:03] <ralsina> mmcc: please share how you caught cmd-q :-D
[15:03] <ralsina> DONE: calls, reviews, 1-1s, planning TODO: calls, reviews, try to actually code! BLOCKED: too many of the former to do much of the latter NEXT: EOM
[15:03] <mmcc> ralsina:  from last night: "I tried again to create a menu item that overrides the Qt default item that calls Qapplication::quit(). This time it worked, so here's a diff that catches cmd-q and kills syncdaemon then cleans up: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1254978/ - I think this is the right way to go, but I'm curious if anyone thinks main is the wrong place to put it."
[15:04] <ralsina> mmcc: so the problem was that we did *not* have our own menu, but something Qt adds to keep the mac global menu bar happy?
[15:05] <mmcc> ralsina: yes, right.
[15:05] <ralsina> mmcc: awesome catch
[15:06] <mmcc> :\ - I tried exactly this earlier but just messed up creating the menu item so it didn't get picked up
[15:07] <mmcc> of course, no useful error messages that time, so I just moved on
[15:08] <dobey> mandel: is there any good way to figure out what's really happeneing here?
[15:09] <ralsina> mmcc: if it makes you feel any better, we have been asked to do an actual menu a few dozen times
[15:10] <ralsina> mmcc: so, I am not terribly happy about it being in main, but that file already has per-platform code anyway
[15:11] <mandel> dobey, is not easy what so ever, we need to look at what is going on in the wire
[15:12] <mmcc> ralsina: yeah, and the shutdown code is duplicated between there and systray, which I don't like, but I didn't think of a good place to consolidate it
[15:13] <ralsina> mmcc: we could start a "shutdown.py" but not now
[15:14]  * gatox lunch
[15:14] <mmcc> ralsina: yeah, maybe just one of those great comments in the code that "if you change this, also change this file over there" :)
[15:18] <ralsina> mmcc: I think main import systray, so we could put it in systray even if that makes very little sense
[15:18] <ralsina> mmcc: oh, no it doesn't
[15:20] <mandel> dobey, I'm trying to see if I can connect with wiresshark and take a look at what is going on in the wire
[15:20] <mandel> dobey, should be better than adding prints everywhere
[15:23] <dobey> mandel: yeah, wireshark should work, since it's plain http
[15:35] <mandel> dobey, weird, I'm connecting wireshark to lo and get no traffic.. wtf
[15:36] <ralsina> mandel: strange, that shuld work on linux
[15:36] <mandel> ralsina, indeed
[15:37] <ralsina> mandel: try tcpdump and see if it catches packets
[15:37] <dobey> mandel: it's probably not connecting to localhost; try the "grab from all interfaces" and see if you can find the requests
[15:46] <mandel> dobey, ralsina, very strange, applying the following filter in wireshark: http.server contains "TwistedWeb" and get no requests when listening to all interfaces
[15:46] <mandel> but we do get our server to be twistedweb..
[15:48] <mandel> ralsina, fyi I talked with johnlea, a video is enough
[15:49] <ralsina> mandel: awesome!
[15:50] <ralsina> mandel: don't filter, get all the traffic, then look for the connction and rebuild the TCP stream
[15:51] <mandel> ralsina, I captured everything, then filtered the traffic after I stoped recording
[15:57] <mmcc> brb, coffee time
[16:04] <mandel> agh.. I wonder what changed in qt..
[16:08] <dobey> mandel: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/116637150/qt4-x11_4%3A4.8.2%2Bdfsg-2ubuntu1_4%3A4.8.3%2Bdfsg-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[16:09] <gatox> dobey, what was the command to upgrade to 12.10...... i remember once you told that to ralsina..... but i can't remember the exact command
[16:09] <mandel> dobey, maybe => Make sure QGlobalNetworkProxy is created for QNetworkProxy
[16:09] <dobey> gatox: update-manager -d ?
[16:09] <ralsina> gatox: upgrading from 12.04 to 12.10 is not likely to work right now, I heard
[16:09] <gatox> dobey, that one! thx!
[16:10] <dobey> mandel: could be
[16:10] <ralsina> gatox: let me know if it explodes ;-)
[16:10] <gatox> ralsina, ah ok....... i was going to do it, because i'm working on mac now
[16:10] <mandel> dobey, which could mean that is not going through the proxy
[16:10] <dobey> mandel: right. which seems to be the case, given the missing Via header.
[16:11] <mandel> dobey, I'll take a look at what force_proxy is doing to solve that
[16:12] <dobey> mandel: great, thanks
[16:12] <dobey> i need to get some lunch
[16:12] <dobey> bbiab
[16:29] <mandel> ok, EOD I'll fix that bug tom morning
[16:29] <mandel> see you all tom!
[16:32] <briancurtin> i'm waiting for the time a person named tom joins the team and mandel has to type out "tomorrow" :)
[16:32] <mandel> briancurtin, I'll claim that nickname so he has to be called tom_
[16:32] <briancurtin> haha
[18:04] <dobey> mmcc: care to review https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-control-panel/update-4-0/+merge/127559 ?
[18:05] <mmcc> dobey: sure.
[18:10] <mmcc> +1 dobey
[18:12] <dobey> thanks
[18:29] <dobey> brb, gotta run a couple errands
[18:40] <gatox_mac> ok… after upgrade i can't connect to internet with that machine :S
[18:52] <mmcc> any advice on testing code that adds an action and menu to Qmenubar? I wanted to just call it and test that the action is in the menu bar, but it doesn't look like I can get a list of the current menus from the menu bar…
[18:53] <ralsina> mmcc: let me check the docs
[18:53] <ralsina> mmcc: you can get a list of actions http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qwidget.html#actions
[18:54] <mmcc> aha, thanks ralsina
[19:08] <dobey> gatox_mac: any idea why these failures would happen as they do? https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-control-panel/update-4-0/+merge/127559/comments/274671/+download
[19:09]  * dobey wonders if they're also due to qt changes
[19:09] <dobey> nope
[19:19] <briancurtin> Any recent changes to U1CP in how its started on the command line? i'm trying to login and get CredentialsError when choosing "Sign me in with my existing account" on trunk
[19:20] <dobey> briancurtin: sounds like it's not able to start sso?
[19:21] <briancurtin> dobey: SSO is already started and U1CP appears to interact with it when i start it up. i'll dig in if this doesn't ring any bells
[19:22] <dobey> briancurtin: are you getting the dialog to enter your email/password from sso? or just the error?
[19:22] <ralsina> briancurtin: no bells ringing
[19:22] <briancurtin> dobey: i get the sorry an error has occurred dialog before the email/pass would pop up
[19:23] <gatox_mac> dobey, i don't think so… i'm going to take a look after i finish with the branch i'm working on right now on mac… but i'm having some problems with mac and ubuntu, so i don't know when is going to be…. i hope soon
[19:24] <dobey> briancurtin: i'd look at the sso logs first then. seems like something is going wrong in there
[19:29] <briancurtin> dobey: yeah thats where im looking now. its raising that CredentialsError for not finding creds (which sort of makes sense), but it doesnt allow you to then provide any, so something's not hooked up correctly
[19:30] <mmcc> briancurtin: I did change the code for finding binaries (eg, to launch the SSO gui). maybe that's not working right. IIRC it was working for me when running from trunk on windows, but not super well tested…
[19:31] <briancurtin> mmcc: could be it. running windows IRL from source tends to lag behind. i really need to get that "dev channel" updater setup some day...would catch this stuff right away
[19:49] <mmcc> so if I add an action to a menu and add that menu to a menubar, that action doesn't show up in menubar.actions(), and I can't see a way to get a list of menus from the menubar…
[19:49] <ralsina> mmcc: is actions() empty?
[19:49] <mmcc> ralsina: yes
[19:50] <ralsina> mmcc: but is menu.actions()?
[19:50] <mmcc> ralsina: in this context I don't have menu
[19:50] <ralsina> mmcc: actions() probably has the actions that were added directly to the menubar
[19:50] <ralsina> mmcc: so, you may have to iterate something. let me check docs
[19:50] <mmcc> yeah, that makes sense. I was just expecting to be able to get a list of menus from the menubar
[19:51] <ralsina> mmcc: when you call addMenu() you should get a QAction
[19:52] <ralsina> mmcc: which should be in menubar.actions() unless the gc is doing some trick
[19:52] <ralsina> mmcc: also, you can try menubar.children() but I am guessing that's empty
[19:53] <mmcc> ralsina: I do get the qaction, but I wasn't exposing that from the function I'm testing. I wanted to call the function then test that it put the right action in the menubar
[19:53] <ralsina> mmcc: try children() and let's see what's there
[19:54] <mmcc> but from the test function, I can't seem to do step 2. does that make sense?
[19:54] <mmcc> ok
[19:54] <ralsina> mmcc: actions() is returning actions that are added directly, you are adding a menu which has an action in it, so it's not in menubar. You may want to keep a reference to that menu :-(
[19:55] <mmcc> hmm. children is this: [<PyQt4.QtGui.QToolButton object at 0x110b027a0>]
[19:55] <mmcc> not a menu
[19:56] <mmcc> keeping a reference so I can test it seems like it's defeating the purpose of the test - I want to check that it's in the menu bar, but if I keep the menu ref around for testing all I can really check is that the ref is what I expect it to be, which is less useful IMO
[19:57] <ralsina> mmcc: that's ... strange
[19:57] <mmcc> here's what I'm talking about. I have this function: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1256753/
[19:58] <mmcc> I wanted to write a test that finds the 'quit' action in the menu bar and checks that it has the same method hooked up to the triggered signal
[19:58] <ralsina> mmcc: that QToolButton.menu() is probably the menu you are creating.
[19:58] <mmcc> hmm. ok, checking
[19:58] <ralsina> mmcc: so, menubar.children()[0].menu().actions() should contain your action
[19:59] <mmcc> ugh. menubar.children()[0].menu() crashes…
[20:00] <ralsina> mmcc: grmbl
[20:00] <ralsina> mmcc: if you can put a name to the QAction, you can call menubar.findChildren()
[20:01] <mmcc> aha, ok. I will try that when I get back from lunch… I've been telling them 'one mnute' for about ten minutes
[20:03] <gatox_mac> ok… eod for me… i'll keep fighting with twisted tomorrow...
[20:03] <gatox_mac> bye people
[20:18] <dobey> ugh, 41ms ping
[20:20] <dobey> ralsina: what did we decide to do with the menu separator branch from gatox for the sync menu? jsut try to get it in an SRU?
[20:20] <dobey> err, just even
[20:23] <ralsina> dobey: hmmm
[20:23] <ralsina> dobey: I wouldjust do a 4.0.1 and abuse that they let us get microreleases in
[20:23] <ralsina> dobey: as a SRU
[20:23] <facundobatista> rye_, second (and last) branch to solve the syncdaemon problems we talked about: https://code.launchpad.net/~facundo/ubuntuone-client/fix-path-retrieval/+merge/127583
[20:23] <facundobatista> ralsina, alecu, pfibiger, ^
[20:24] <ralsina> facundobatista: looking...
[20:24] <dobey> ok
[20:28] <dobey> ralsina: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/update-4-0/+merge/127586
[20:28] <ralsina> dobey: got it
[20:34] <ralsina> dobey: +1
[20:36] <ralsina> facundobatista: I don't think  I can finish reviewing that one today
[20:39] <ralsina> EOD for me
[20:39] <ralsina> bye!
[21:55] <dobey> later all
[23:18] <mmcc> ugh, need to keep a reference to the menubar around or it reverts to old default menubar. wtf
[23:18] <mmcc> will update my branch and add a test for that tonight. as-is, my branch doesn't work
[23:19] <mmcc> because I moved things around to clean it up, I broke it. whee


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