[10:06] <mup> Bug #1464984 opened: Crash in TFTP server booting NUC under UEFI <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1464984>
[10:51] <mup> Bug #1464989 opened: MAAS fails to install on UEFI NUC with curtin bcache error <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1464989>
[12:07] <mup> Bug #1465000 opened: MAAS TFTP fails when MAAS interface is not the default route device <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1465000>
[23:20] <mup> Bug #1465071 opened: Daily hwe-v kernel for trusty results in kernel panic when attempting to mount iscsi partition <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1465071>


[00:57] <m4xx> evening all
[00:57] <m4xx> every time i reboot my 16.04 server my raid needs to resync
[00:58] <m4xx> i found on google people have had success adding "mdadm --wait-clean --scan" to their shutdown script but i don't know where to add it
[01:38] <cncr04s> how is the raid setup?
[01:39] <cncr04s> is gour grub bootfile up to date?
[01:42] <m4xx> to tell the truth i'm not sure. i set up the raid in the post conf setup before i installed the OS
[01:42] <m4xx> it asked me if i wanted to activate it during the install
[01:43] <m4xx> @cncr04s -^
[01:47] <cncr04s> so,
[01:47] <cncr04s> you did not manully setup software raid in ubuntu installation?
[01:47] <cncr04s> is it via a raid card or motherboard? is it intel?
[01:48] <m4xx> yes, via motherboard
[01:48] <m4xx> it is intel
[01:48] <cncr04s> then you are likley running into the intel fake raid issue
[01:48] <cncr04s> an issue i faced
[01:48] <cncr04s> i solved it by running software raid, setup via the installation
[01:48] <m4xx> i did run update-initramfs -k all -u
[01:49] <cncr04s> what particular motherboard is it
[01:49] <m4xx> not sure, i got the box from a friend. it's a zotac of some sort
[01:50] <cncr04s> 99% chance its fake raid if its a desktop pc motherboard
[01:50] <cncr04s> unless 16.04 included some changes to support it, it won't work
[01:50] <m4xx> would it be possible to re-create with out having to kill my data?
[01:51] <cncr04s> you can't recreate it without trashing what already exists on the disk
[01:54] <cncr04s> If you don't have a dedicated raid chip via a addon card or on the mobo, then its going to be os software managed any how. You might as well just go with the ubuntu softraid without dealing with the extra interaction with the mobo isw raid stuff.
[01:55] <cncr04s> that's my opinion, it worked for me. up to you though
[01:55] <m4xx> does the server install walk you through it? i'm kind of a noob
[01:56] <cncr04s> I don't know if a noob can do it. It has options for you to set it up in the installation. the part where it asks you to partition. there is an option to configure raid
[01:58] <cncr04s> searching gooogle/youtube for how to setup raid in ubuntu setup may yeild results, try that.
[05:49] <antony7777> i need help to clean up a server /boot ... using apt-get autoremove show this error msg: linux-image-extra-4.2.0-38-generic : Depends: linux-image-4.2.0-38-generic but it is not installed
[05:51] <antony7777> using: apt-get remove linux-image-extra-4.2.0-38-generic .. shows message: linux-image-extra-4.2.0-42-generic : Depends: linux-image-4.2.0-42-generic but it is not going to be installed  linux-image-generic : Depends: linux-image-4.2.0-42-generic but it is not going to be installed                        Recommends: thermald but it is not going to be installed
[05:51] <antony7777> the /boot is full, but I can't (don't know how) to free it
[05:52] <antony7777> my uname-r is: 4.2.0-16-generic
[05:53] <antony7777> so I'm guessing that I had a linux kernel update failed..?
[05:53] <antony7777> can I just go to /boot and delete the folders of newer kernels .. newer than the one I'm using, ie 4.2.0-16-generic .. will that be safe?
[05:55] <Ben64> don't delete newer ones
[06:00] <antony7777> the problem is I'm actually using older kernel.. 4.2.0-16 .. all other kernels in /boot are newer than 4.2.0-16, eg 4.2.0-27, 4.2.0-30 .. etc
[06:02] <Ben64> ew
[06:02] <Ben64> so do some "sudo dpkg --force-all -P <package>" and then run update and dist-upgrade and autoremove
[06:03] <antony7777> like: sudo dpkg --force-all -P linux-headers-4.2.0-42  ?
[06:11] <Ben64> don't do the newest one
[06:22] <ubuntu_> I am wondering where plymonth come into the linux boot loading ? I know bios runs code, which runs bootloader like grub ,lilo,..etc, which then load kernel , init.d... But whats the point of plymonth if its running after the kernel is loaded an operational?
[06:23] <ubuntu_> what i want to know is where plymonth falls in i know it has to be before the gdm login but after the bootloader code
[06:25] <ubuntu_> And with grub2 you can have the grub menu and graphics screens so its like an in between graphic to the grub and the gdb login page. But is there anything useful happening between that time or is it just for eye candy
[06:25] <Ben64> head -n5 /etc/init/plymouth.conf
[06:28] <ubuntu_> so is this before or after init starts?
[06:28] <Ben64> everything is after init
[06:29] <ubuntu_> Ok then whats happening between plymonth and  gdm login ?
[06:29] <Ben64> everything
[06:30] <ubuntu_> but if init starts all the programs then plymonth is just wasting time to go directly to gdm
[06:30] <ubuntu_> I guess i am wondering on what is being set up or running when plymonth is running
[06:30] <Ben64> what are you trying to get at
[06:31] <ubuntu_> Like if init already has all the programs mostly running when plymonth , usplash,..etc  is then run  one wouldn't see a lag if he went directly to gdm login
[06:33] <Ben64> no
[06:34] <ubuntu_> if init is just running plymonth as a process if plymonth is the last process before gdm login is kicked off then there really isn't to much point in having it . If its the starting process init kicks off i can see the nice screen while other process are getting started
[06:35] <Ben64> whats your point
[06:35] <ubuntu_> is it the former or the latter i suppose one can configure init to start the process in  different order to some extent but never looked into that much indepth yet
[06:37] <ubuntu_> My point is if its at the begining of init you looking at eye candy that actually is there because your still waiting for process to be started/configurations to be set. If it is at the end right at the point of gdm login then the eye candy is  just there wasting time
[06:37] <ubuntu_> to get to gdm
[06:37] <ubuntu_> login
[06:37] <Ben64> ok?
[06:38] <Ben64> i feel like you're leading to an actual question
[06:39] <ubuntu_> Well can you have a splash screen like plymonth at the grub level before one boots a kernel. Between the grub menu and the loading of the kernel/initramfs stuff
[06:39] <ubuntu_> ?
[06:44] <ubuntu_> I guess the grub menu is the splash screen because the rest of kernel loading and ramdisk would take  to get to init to plymonth neglatible time
[06:45] <ubuntu_> so i guess never mind kind of thought thru this one
[06:55] <ubuntu_> On an unrelated question is about installers like ubiquity , debian-installer , Anaconda  to name a few how are these set to only run  on an install cd and not on a live-cd by default is it part of init.d process folder the one adds the installer to boot up from
[06:56] <ubuntu_> because why i am at my live-cd or a computer on ubuntu does matter live or not ... i can  issue ubiquity at the command prompt and get the installer to start
[06:59] <ubuntu_> So i am just trying to figure out what the best way is to have it always start on boot another words make this a install cd or usb... i was thinking just to add it to the init.d process that init starts or one of its subprocess start but not sure on the best place to put it or what order it should start on ... probably towards the end of init spawning
[07:02] <ubuntu_> More i think about it .. it will need x11 so it has to be a last process kind of thing
[07:03] <ubuntu_> Note i could do a text based install or preseed but either way i know how this all works it just where to place these programs when booting
[07:10] <InnerCode> Hi, I've a strange problem on an Ubuntu 16.04.1 host with lxc/d 2. I've created a bridge on my eth0 connection and ran lxd init to select the bridge as default connection. After that I launched an Ubuntu 16.04 container and it gets his IP address from my DHCP server. I changed the /etc/network/interfaces file from the container to set it a fixed IP address. After stopping starting the container
[07:11] <InnerCode> it have 2 IP addresses. The DHCP one and the fixed one.  So, how do I set the IP address of a container correctly or how to remove the DHCP one?
[08:31] <negev> hi, i'm having issues with the dovecot apparmor profiles, specifically:    apparmor="ALLOWED" operation="sendmsg" info="Failed name lookup - disconnected path" error=-13 profile="/usr/lib/dovecot/log" name="run/systemd/journal/dev-log" pid=2603 comm="log" requested_mask="w" denied_mask="w" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[08:31] <negev> writes to run/systemd/journal/dev-log are allowed in the base abstraction which is included in the /usr/lib/dovecot/log profile
[08:31] <negev> but for some reason it doesn't work
[08:34] <InnerCode> I found it! I had to comment out the line 'source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*.cfg' in the interface file in the container. It had a cfg file that enables the DHCP for the eth0 interface. Mystery solved.
[10:50] <m4xx> so i've rebuilt my raid using this guide: http://www.howtogeek.com/51873/how-to-setup-software-raid-for-a-simple-file-server-on-ubuntu/
[10:51] <m4xx> but it wont come up after boot
[11:20] <cpaelzer> smb: puah - if it is a good one would you like to make some advertisement for the AC I sometimes see in your office so I can buy one ... :-) ?
[11:45] <smb> cpaelzer, its okayish. the main problem is to get the heat blown to the outside ... and having insect nets there makes that hard. plus its loud
[11:49] <cpaelzer> smb: hmm I have space incl windows in the basement below me for "loud" and "air out" - I need to properly investigate that
[11:50] <cpaelzer> smb: ignoring my favor of light I might also just work down there in the few hot days we get - if I would not need to move sceens and all that ...
[11:53] <smb> cpaelzer, yeah. I kind of get along by letting it run while I am not in the room and try to keep it dark the rest of the time
[13:16] <negev> hi, is there anyone around who knows apparmor really well?
[13:16] <patdk-wk> !ask
[13:17] <negev> appreciated, but i've done that several times over a few days and didn't get an answer so :P
[13:17] <patdk-wk> what makes you think anything will improve by asking like you just did?
[13:17] <patdk-wk> if they didn't know then, why would they know know and have enough time to stick around for you to respond that they did?
[13:18] <negev> 1) why does the base abstraction that grants write access to systemd dev-log not work?    2) is there a way to handle wrapper scripts that doesn't involve granting execute of /bin/bash to all child processes?
[13:18] <negev> patdk-wk: someone told me one of the apparmor devs hangs here sometimes
[13:18] <patdk-wk> so? I don't see what that has to do with any of the above
[13:19] <patdk-wk> you are wasting his and your time, if he responds, just by asking that question, without asking what you wanted to know
[13:19] <negev> see above, i asked two specific questions
[13:23] <Phrygian> I've just purchased an ubuntu server to run a server for a game, but I'm having some issues. I have to run one node js program followed by another, but the first program takes up the console so when i run a command it goes straight into the first program instead of the terminal. How do i avoid this?
[13:30] <andol> Phrygian: The quick-fix is probably to use something like screen or tmux, and give each program its own terminal. Also, by using screen/tmux it also becomes possible to detach from those terminals, and have the programs continue running in the background.
[13:31] <andol> Phrygian: Yet, the real solution is probably to setup init scripts (systemd units) and threat them as long running background services, assuming that that is what they are?
[13:38] <Phrygian> Yeah, I think i'm just going to combine the programs though, that seems like a more appropriate solution
[14:08] <negev> part
[15:41] <negev> hi, if i run the same application with different configs, is there a way to have a different apparmor profile for each config?
[15:45] <jaguardown> Hi all, do-release-upgrade on 14.04.2 says there's no new release found even after updating repos.
[15:45] <jaguardown> Did 16.04.1 not get released on the 21st?
[15:46] <negev> jaguardown: it did, but you have to update the metafile manually because it's not been updated yet
[15:46] <negev> i dunno why
[15:46] <jaguardown> oh okay, thanks
[16:09] <teward> jaguardown: they didn't open the release path yet
[16:09] <teward> negev: ^
[16:09] <teward> negev: bug squishing and other things need to happen first
[16:09] <teward> which is why it's not open yet
[16:09] <teward> at least, last i heard
[16:09] <negev> makes sense
[16:09] <negev> i've filed an apparmor bug already :P
[16:14] <negev> is there a way to customise apparmor profiles with environment variables when an application starts up?
[16:18] <negev> manpage for apparmor on ubuntu.com is a 404: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenia/en/man7/apparmor.7.html
[16:18] <negev> linked from: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppArmor
[16:20] <rbasak> negev: thanks, fixed.
[16:20] <rbasak> negev: also it's a wiki, so please do feel free to fix any other mistakes!
[16:21] <negev> maybe when i learn how to use apparmor properly, at the moment i'm having trouble working out if my issues are bad config or bugs
[16:23] <jaguardown> teward: Thank you, I was just about to ask how to manually update that metafile.
[16:23] <jaguardown> But I'll just wiat
[16:23] <jaguardown> wait*
[16:23] <negev> the upgrade went pretty much fine for me
[16:26] <teward> negev: YMMV
[16:26] <teward> so :P
[16:27] <teward> jaguardown: yeah I'd just wait until it's opened up
[16:27] <negev> if it's still buggy why was it released?
[17:18] <ubuntu_> installers like ubiquity , debian-installer , Anaconda  to name a few how are these set to only run  on an install cd and not on a live-cd by default is it part of init.d process folder the one adds the installer to boot up from ??? ..... and i am trying to figure out if you can have grub directly boot the x11 /graphics services , and the installer program without first booting into an OS or ramdisk. I know x11 is userspace
[17:18] <ubuntu_> program
[17:18] <ubuntu_>   so there would have to be an equivalent grub mod for that which supports what the installer program needs....
[17:38] <sarnold> ubuntu_: booting straight into graphics is slightly difficult; the plymouth program can give a better illusion that the system is running graphically earlier than X11 really starts.. (I think. at least that used to be the case.)
[17:40] <ubuntu_> plymonth still needs x11 /Xorg to run
[17:41] <ubuntu_> And not talking about a splash screen now i am talking about where to place the installer gui programs  when creating an install distro from a live one
[17:41] <JanC> Ubuntu disc images are both
[17:43] <ubuntu_> are you talking about the media the distro will be in like iso9660 cd/dvd as opposed to usb or floppy img  i don't get you
[17:43] <ubuntu_> why would that even matter
[17:43] <JanC> and it happens in init configuration/scripts and/or in xinit/xsession and/or in similar places; grub (or other bootloaders) can add options to the kernel commandline (which the script can read from /proc/cmdline )
[17:45] <ubuntu_> I can run  a splash screen like plymonth ,usplash or any other and i can run any gui or text based installer in userspace at a terminal what i want to know is where typically you place these programs to startup
[17:46] <ubuntu_> Order matters so should i uses the runlevel /etc folders
[17:46] <ubuntu_> Or is there a better way to most people do it
[17:46] <JanC> that's going to be different for every distro, right?  but for sure an init script/config (sysvinit/upstart/systemd/...) will be needed
[17:47] <JanC> best is to look at some distros & see how they all do it?
[17:49] <JanC> (nowadays one could also write an installer that runs under UEFI instead, I guess)
[17:50] <ubuntu_> Ok so its going to be dependent on what the system is using systemd or other things and looking up how to start process in a certain order ok. Is there any way if one is doing a text based install to just have grub , the installer programs it uses , and the installer on an iso image /usb img  with no OS or kernel. Because in theory if your doing text based you don't need user land only the mounting programs , making file sys
[17:50] <ubuntu_> tem programs  , and the grub drivers i would image
[17:53] <ubuntu_> And if you throw in a grub network PXE boot i would imagine you only need grub for your install usb or cd/dve nothing else on the media other then the boot/grub folder
[17:58] <JanC> ubuntu_: like I said, nowadays you don't even need GRUB, you could implement it as an EFI/UEFI application
[18:00] <ubuntu_> How does that work you still need a bootloader with PXE boot unless your talking about a built in bios PXE boot option that one can set where the tftp site is on the network
[18:00] <JanC> UEFI has (or can have) network drivers, graphics drivers, etc.
[18:00] <JanC> it's a basic OS on itself
[18:00] <ubuntu_> at the bios level
[18:01] <JanC> you can even run Python on UEFI
[18:01] <ubuntu_> if its at the bios level then the bios has become a mini os itself
[18:01] <ubuntu_> in the firmware
[18:02] <JanC> "BIOS" was the name of the old firmwares based on the original IBM PC, UEFI replaces it
[18:02] <JanC> but yes, it's sort of a mini OS
[18:03] <JanC> the UEFI firmware in my desktop has a GUI for configuration, can update itself over the network/internet, etc.
[18:04] <ubuntu_> got it so kind of just wondering if i didn't want to uses UEFI and wanted to uses some type of physical media to give a person like a cd/dvd or a usb  what would be the minimal stuff i need could i do it with just a bootloader accessing a network resource i.e just have /boot/grub
[18:04] <ubuntu_> I think that was possible but never tried it
[18:04] <trippeh_> on apple computers with UEFI you can even restore your computer from icloud from the UEFI/BIOS
[18:04] <JanC> UEFI can boot from CD?
[18:04] <ubuntu_> Can grub do PXE
[18:05] <ubuntu_> Its for an old computer that doesn't have UEFI or support it
[18:07] <ubuntu_> I could make the traditional install or live cd/dvd/usb but was curious on if i could have the iso , img on the network and just give him a cd/dvd/usb that has grub on it thats it that does the PXE boot to install the image from the network. Its to bad that UEFI is not supported
[18:09] <ubuntu_> I just wanted to save space and not but it on the cd/dvd/usb and the fact that he has 10 old computers that don't have UEFI this is just an example not the really thing just a made up example.
[18:15] <JanC> you can use PXE from UEFI/BIOS or from GRUB, I think
[18:15] <JanC> (not sure if GRUB2 has PXE support, but GRUB certainly did)
[18:17] <JanC> http://wiki.osdev.org/Diskless_Booting#The_gPXE_.2B_GRUB_Way
[18:17] <ubuntu_> Ok cool so then in that case all one would need on his media is a /boot/grub folder or whatever folder he wants to call it for grub but essentially just grub access a network image
[18:18] <JanC> that osdev site might have more useful info for whatever you are trying to do  :)
[18:18] <ubuntu_> about the network image for old computers i would imagine it would have to be in a folder form not a cd/dvd iso9660 600MB to 4GB because one would need the ramdisk space to store it in?
[18:20] <ubuntu_> How typically is PXE booting done when one has limited memory does it like temporarilly copy to an external hdd by default or something?
[18:22] <ubuntu_> I mean i get if the iso or img file can fit completely in memory then one can uses PXE from grub to install retrieve it into memory and install it from there but if one doesn't have the ramdisk space i would imagine you cann't do the PXE boot unless it can be specified to uses a swap partition on some secondary harddrive for temporary storage when installing
[18:23] <ubuntu_> Typically now a days everybody has enough memory not to have to worry about not fitting in memory the image but back in the day when one only had say 128 or 256 MB how could the image fit.
[18:25] <ubuntu_> I would imagine since your installing the os one would always have available a secondary storage that did have enough room but then PXE grub program would have to uses some tmp space for it
[18:25] <ubuntu_> to store the iso image and load only the subset of files
[18:26] <ubuntu_> Or maybe the tftp site only has the essential files of the iso placed on the network for older computers... and for newer ones they can just uses full iso or img images from the network... curious how this uses to work from how it works today
[18:32] <patdk-wk> heh
[18:32] <patdk-wk> I just iscsi boot
[18:48] <ubuntu_> Ok cool iscsi for the initator connection to the target by the IQN number . I get it but what devices can the target uses for the initator that show up in device is it just a virtual disk on the target  or can it be the actual part or whole physical HDD connected to the target like a usb drive or a slave HDD
[18:48] <ubuntu_> Because i just say stuff on the target using a virtual disk to provide the initator
[18:49] <ubuntu_> so can it also uses non virtual HDD , cd rw , usb ..etc device or do most people uses a virtual HDD on the target for the initator iscsi machine?
[18:53] <ubuntu_> I get the difference between using iscsi SAN technology as opposed to using NAS storage technology. But typically what does the iscsi media uses for providing storage for the initator?
[18:56] <sarnold> iscsi initiator may be booted via pxe or a sata DOM mini-ssd or USB mass storage device
[18:58] <ubuntu_> Ok at that point its just like having the network harddrive or cluster locally to you when booting ( kind of affect)
[18:59] <ubuntu_> Is that currently the best way for providing network booting/installs for large companies?
[19:03] <patdk-wk> it depends on the needs
[19:03] <patdk-wk> after all that, still no idea what your needs are
[19:03] <patdk-wk> my needs where simple
[19:03] <patdk-wk> one iscsi volume
[19:03] <patdk-wk> the iscsi volume is cloned for each workstation at boot
[19:03] <patdk-wk> and destroyed on shutdown
[19:05] <ubuntu_> iscsi can uses any type of physical storage device right like cd/dvd/usb/floppy/nas/....etc device or is it just fix to hardware that uses the scsi commands so maybe not ATAPI cd/dvd not sure
[19:06] <ubuntu_> ?
[19:06] <patdk-wk> heh?
[19:06] <patdk-wk> iscsi is limited to scsi
[19:06] <patdk-wk> not sure why that wouldn't include cd/dvd/usb/floppy
[19:06] <ubuntu_> so what device now a days are not scsi based
[19:06] <patdk-wk> yes, you cannot run nas over iscsi
[19:07] <patdk-wk> well, usb isn't scsi normally
[19:07] <ubuntu_> just trying to figure out what hardware it won't work on
[19:07] <patdk-wk> my first cd was scsi
[19:07] <patdk-wk> but not sure what any of this has to do with anything
[19:07] <ubuntu_> O so no usb device darn  you have to uses NAS in that case for the usb devices
[19:07] <patdk-wk> why?
[19:08] <patdk-wk> but then, if your using usb, you did something seriously wrong
[19:08] <ubuntu_> because how else would you have a computer access a usb HDD on another computer  thru then network
[19:08] <patdk-wk> you don't
[19:08] <patdk-wk> doing so is foolish and unreiable
[19:08] <patdk-wk> usb it not known for it's stability
[19:09] <patdk-wk> but who said you cannot use usb disks over iscsi?
[19:10] <ubuntu_> Also can iscsi uses virtual HDD or virtual cd/dvd drives instead like if one  has vmware  HDD files on his iscsi target device instead of physical devices
[19:11] <ubuntu_> i.e virtual scsi device instead of physical scsi devices
[19:13] <ubuntu_> Because if it can that would be a really good way for business to have many peoples computers just have a different virtual scsi HDD on the network i.e share space on the target scsi  as virtual files that are shown to the initator as really physical devices
[19:14] <JanC> that would depend on the iSCSI target (NAS/SAN/server) you use, I guess
[19:14] <JanC> iSCSI itself is just a protocol
[19:16] <ubuntu_> Humm curious partitioning the physical device like one partition for each person with 1000 people then setting quotas seems impratical but using 1000 virtual HDD files  that each of the client initator machines uses seems more practical
[19:18] <ubuntu_> I guess one could do the traditional way and have there local laptop or desktop HDD just for there files and the NAS or SAN as having there os partition but your still going to need partitions for each of the 1000 if your not using virtual HDD
[19:19] <ubuntu_> Or one could uses Active directories instead
[19:32] <ubuntu_> Just thinking out loud since if one had one iscsi with windows 10 os on it and all the clients just PXE boot to the iscsi with there whole local hard drive as  just file and there program storage then would the performance halt for 10000 people using this same iscsi target to log in
[19:34] <ubuntu_> seems it would so kind of wondering the best way to set up pxe / UEFI booting   to iscsi target when it comes to 1000 s of computer users... i would think you would have to increase the different iscsi targets which would kind of increase the number of computers or at least scsi devices
[19:41] <ubuntu_> Also sinces iscsi is a SAN i would imagine you could set this up with a cluster of scsi devices manybe thats how they do it not sure
[19:42] <ubuntu_> This wouldn't seem like it would help in different os's images only in performance , load balanceing , and failover raid backup,..etc stuff so kind of still confused


[03:50] <mhz> strusberg: ping
[03:53] <mhz> strusberg: are you there?
[04:05] <strusberg> Yes
[04:05] <strusberg> mhz, Yes
[04:06] <mhz> strusberg: podriamos ahora?
[04:06] <mhz> o te vas a la cama?
[04:06] <strusberg> Podemos ahora, dime.
[04:07] <mhz> #mhz, por fis
[04:07] <strusberg> ok
[04:48] <datix_> edubuntu is slick :)
[12:33] <spacey> JaneW: ping
[01:21] <spacey> ok, nm:)
[01:52] <c7> hi all
[01:53] <c7> ogra: hi ogra, hast du rasch zeit?
[01:54] <ogra> -> #edubuntu-de ?
[02:10] <spacey> JaneW: the edubuntu cookbook meeting can be in #ubuntu-meeting ?
[02:10] <JaneW> spacey: pong
[02:10] <JaneW> very belated
[02:10] <spacey> :>
[02:11] <JaneW> spacey: final got report out which had to be finished today
[02:11] <spacey> ok
[02:11] <JaneW> um, yes I think we can use #u-m
[02:11] <spacey> just putting together an announcement/agenda
[02:11] <spacey> you need to book it somewhere?
[02:11] <spacey> or how does that work
[02:11] <JaneW> we only can't if another meeting is booked already
[02:11] <JaneW> lemme check
[02:11] <spacey>  30 Mar 02:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status
[02:11] <spacey> only other that day
[02:12] <spacey> according to the topic
[02:12] <spacey> in #ubuntu-meeting
[02:12] <JaneW> argh Ubugtu The topic of #ubuntu-meeting is managed by me and filled with the contents of http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/ical - please don't change manually
[02:12] <JaneW> lemme try set it on the fridge
[02:17] <spacey> :>
[02:17] <spacey> :)
[02:52] <spacey> JaneW: i assume that scheduling will work out
[02:52] <spacey> so
[02:52] <spacey> i'll send out the agenda
[03:24] <Yagisan> g'day mhz haven't seen you for ages! what have you been up to ?
[03:37] <mhz> Yagisan: holas!!!!
[03:37] <mhz> Yagisan: uffff, I'd rather pm you to avoid pity :D
[03:38] <jsgotangco> mhz: hello there
[03:39] <mhz> jsgotangco: !!! nice to see ya again
[03:39] <jsgotangco> mhz: nice to be back
[03:39] <jsgotangco> on a normal schedule
[03:39] <mhz> are you on a normal schedule?
[04:17] <iGotNoTime> How do I know if I use OSS or ASLA sound with Edubuntu?
[04:17] <iGotNoTime> does it say somewhere which one I use?
[04:18] <ogra> alsa is the default
[04:18] <iGotNoTime> ok thank you :)
[04:18] <ogra> (has always been te default in ubuntu)
[04:18] <iGotNoTime> but next time I ask is there a place for me to find the info?
[04:19] <iGotNoTime> system?
[04:19] <ogra> lsmod :)
[04:19] <iGotNoTime> ok :)
[04:19] <ogra> if sound modules starts with snd-, they are alsa, else they are oss
[04:20] <iGotNoTime> excellent :D
[04:36] <datix_> edubuntu supports sound on the x clients?
[04:37] <ogra> in dapper yes, in breezy no ...
[04:38] <datix_> and dapper is not out yet, correct
[04:38] <datix_> well, its not release at least
[04:38] <ogra> dapper releases on june 1st
[04:43] <jsgotangco> good night
[05:02] <iGotNoTime> can I ask... What is Flight 5?
[05:02] <iGotNoTime> a new release?
[05:02] <iGotNoTime> or a package of some sort?
[05:02] <ogra> the development milestone ...
[05:02] <iGotNoTime> :D
[05:03] <iGotNoTime> I think I have 5.10 so I am out of date now?
[05:03] <ogra> its a snapshot cdrom we make regulary during development
[05:03] <ogra> nope, 5.10 is the latest realease ...
[05:03] <ogra> 6.06 is still in the works
[05:03] <iGotNoTime> ok :)
[06:27] <iGotNoTime> Have you guys ever used www.logmein.com?
[06:28] <iGotNoTime> It is kinda like GoToMyPC except free
[06:28] <iGotNoTime> You all shoudl check it out. I end up using it several times a month to fix my dad's computer. It is very handy.
[06:29] <iGotNoTime> I am supposed to go install Edubuntu on his computer tonight....
[06:29] <iGotNoTime> I have never allowed any remote connections through Edubuntu, there is a native app to allow such "remote control" isn't there?
[06:30] <iGotNoTime> He will need me to install this and once in a while and if we are both using Edubuntu I was thinking there may be an easy way to do it from my house?
[06:30] <iGotNoTime> ***install this and that ***
[06:31] <ogra> nothing to install
[06:31] <ogra> just enable the remote desktop access in the settings
[06:31] <iGotNoTime> No I mean when he asks me to install Limewire for example
[06:31] <iGotNoTime> ok
[06:31] <ogra> and use tsclient on your machine
[06:31] <iGotNoTime> but I would need to configure the desktop access while I am at his house correct?
[06:32] <iGotNoTime> ok will play with that now to get a feel for it
[06:32] <ogra> yep
[06:32] <iGotNoTime> I thought there was something :D
[06:32] <ogra> you have to check one checkbox and you should set a password
[06:32] <ogra> thats all
[06:32] <iGotNoTime> ok :D
[06:32] <iGotNoTime> thanks again
[06:33] <ogra> np :)
[07:03] <stevo> Hey; anyone know why my sound in Breezy Badger works for everything except the games?
[07:03] <stevo> Is there something I'm missing?
[07:05] <stevo> Anyone there?
[07:06] <crimsun> do you have libsdl1.2debian-alsa installed?
[07:07] <stevo> Let me check...
[07:11] <crimsun> dpkg -l |grep ^ii
[07:11] <crimsun> err
[07:11] <crimsun> dpkg -l libsdl1.2debian-alsa|grep ^ii
[07:11] <crimsun> if that returns nothing, install it
[07:12] <crimsun> I have a meeting now
[07:14] <stevo> Thanks very much.
[08:06] <Ju> hi all !
[08:07] <ogra> hi
[08:08] <Burgwork> salut all
[08:08] <ogra> still at work ?
[08:09] <Ju> Burgwork: you're french ?
[08:09] <Burgwork> it is only 11am here
[08:09] <Burgwork> nope, english
[08:09] <ogra> heh
[08:09] <Burgwork> Canadian, to be exact
[08:10] <Burgwork> west coast, hence why it is 11am
[08:10] <Ju> yep, you are in the same timezone...
[08:10] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/LTSPCrossArchSetup
[08:10] <ogra> does that look sane ?
[08:11] <Ju> the next meeting will be hard to follow... 4AM for us ;-)
[08:11] <Burgwork> ogra, if you are already on the commandline, I would use nano
[08:11] <ogra> yes, it needs some consistency ...
[08:11] <ogra> i tend to go alt-f2 gksudo ...
[08:12] <Burgwork> I really like the edubuntu wiki theme
[08:12] <Burgwork> I find it much more readable than the ubuntu one
[08:13] <ogra> yes, me too
[08:13] <ogra> i also like the new gtk and metacity theme, but seems like silbs and the design company have other plans with us ...
[08:14] <ogra> (the edubuntu theme i mean)
[08:14] <Burgwork> we should the dotted-red line on teh ubuntu wiki
[08:14] <ogra> you mean the frame for sourcecode ?
[08:15] <Burgwork> yep
[08:15] <ogra> i think that was initially in the ubuntu theme ...
[08:15] <ogra> (warty time)
[09:46] <neurogeek_> mhz, ping
[09:46] <mhz> neurogeek_: pong
[09:46] <neurogeek_> mhz, all good??
[09:47] <mhz> better, indeed
[09:47] <mhz> but waitign for a Nathalie to send me some info Ricardo said it was already ready to be used
[09:49] <mhz> neurogeek_: how are your things?
[09:49] <mhz> how about Cuaima?
[09:50] <mhz> "Gentoo Installer based in RedHat's Anaconda by Latinux"
[09:51] <neurogeek_> mhz, yes, thta was a long time ago..
[09:51] <neurogeek_> Cuaima is very good though..
[09:51] <mhz> yup, sure
[09:52] <mhz> neurogeek_: afaik, you all will be using Ubuntu ?
[09:54] <neurogeek_> mhz, we are using ubuntu for a lot of things
[09:54] <mhz> oh, cool
[09:54] <neurogeek_> i use ubuntu at home sometimes
[10:00] <Bluekuja> hey mhz
[10:00] <Bluekuja> still there?
[10:00] <mhz> hey, Bluekuja
[10:00] <mhz> yup
[10:01] <Bluekuja> hi man how are u?
[10:03] <Bluekuja> ur alwais a busy man hehe
[10:06] <flint> ogra, the script is finished.
[10:06] <flint> ogra, that is the gin script...
[10:08] <flint> if you are interested, the silly thing (435 or so lines of bash) can be found under bzr control at https://docbox.flint.com/~flint/bazaar/gin/
[10:08] <flint> i have not begun as extensive testing as I would like.... hell it is friday, and I want to go see a maple sugar shack...
[10:09] <flint> seems like you are all asleep... sksk
[10:12] <mhz> Bluekuja: sorry, it is just that after being absent for so long, I need to catch up with lots of stuff
[10:14] <Bluekuja> yeah np :)
[10:14] <Bluekuja> i know that ur a busy man hehe
[10:15] <Bluekuja> when ur more free ,tell me see you later
[10:15] <Bluekuja> ;)
[10:26] <mhz> Bluekuja: okis
[10:26] <mhz> i will
[10:34] <Bluekuja> ;)
[11:01] <mhz> neurogeek_: ping
[11:06] <neurogeek_> mhz, hey!!
[11:06] <mhz> neurogeek_: do you know Nathalie Bertou?
[11:09] <neurogeek_> mhz, Yeap.. she works here too
[11:10] <Pygi> JaneW: around?
[11:10] <Bluekuja> hi neuro
[11:11] <mhz> neurogeek_: any chance you could motivate her to send me a syllabus (with objectives and all) for a course of office applications (firefox, thunderbird, abiword, gnumeric, and ooo) or something she has ?
[11:12] <mhz> neurogeek_: never mind, please ignore my request :D
[11:13] <Bluekuja> lol


[00:16] <lukehasnoname> Has anyone read "Understanding the Linux Kernel, 3e"?
[02:40] <lukehasnoname> 144 minuts without response
[02:40] <lukehasnoname> *minutes
[02:40] <soren> I have.
[02:40] <soren> WEll, most of it.
[02:41] <lukehasnoname> useful?
[02:41] <soren> Erm... that's a lie actually. Glancing that the index, I've probably read about half.
[02:41] <soren> Very.
[02:41] <soren> I highly recommend it.
[02:41] <lukehasnoname> *goes to amazon*
[02:42] <lukehasnoname> I'm in a "intro to data communications" class; the students all have to install Ubuntu to a live CD. I had to explain to the teacher why there's a "duck" (heron) on the desktop. OH, and she's running FC6 for a server o_o
[03:06] <pwnguin> heh
[03:06] <pwnguin> my uni LUG had an email asking for help with FC1
[05:39] <TheMuso> /c
[08:12] <shenki> 2.6.27-1-generic is rebooting upon resume for me :(
[08:13] <shenki> i was running an upstream .27-rc4, 1941246dd98089dd637f44d3bd4f6cc1c61aa9e4, and it resumes fine
[08:13] <shenki> amd64, thinkpad x300
[08:13] <shenki> any suggestions for how to collect logs would be welcome
[11:06] <gaspa> hi, hardy-updates has virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.24-20-generic, but not the associated kernel. is that only a glitch?
[11:30] <abogani> gaspa: VirtualBox maintainer error, i suppose.
[11:30] <abogani> I think that he'll fix it soon with .21
[11:31] <gaspa> abogani: i meant : there's no project to put in -updates linux-image 2.6.24-20...
[11:31] <gaspa> if so, the solution is: just wait.
[11:35] <abogani> No .20 is supersede. We are just bumped to .22 into Hardy git archive... in any case wait seems the best option :-)
[11:37] <gaspa> abogani: ok, but -updates repositories are broken.
[14:16] <siretart> could someone please triage bug #261590? i feel that it is rather critical, but don't want to triage my own bugs
[14:24] <pwnguin> siretart: you could try #ubuntu-laptop and their mailing list, but it's basically fallen apart
[14:25] <pwnguin> (there might be a thinkpad channel)
[14:26] <mjg59> siretart: Thinkpads don't export fans via acpi
[14:26] <mjg59> It's notabug
[14:27] <mjg59> There's a thermal issue on Thinkpads that's been fixed upstream
[14:27] <pwnguin> alternatively, just spam keywords till mjg notices
[14:30] <siretart> mjg59: err, did this change from hardy?
[14:31] <mjg59> siretart: No
[14:31] <siretart> mjg59: what is today's way of controlling fans on thinkpads?
[14:31] <mjg59> thinkpad-acpi will do it if you ask to it really hard
[14:32] <siretart> so no way of controlling it somehow interactively?
[14:33] <mjg59> Only using thinkpad-acpi
[14:33] <siretart> I thought of echo'ing stuff to /proc
[14:34] <siretart> mjg59: with 'asking it really hard' do you mean the option 'fan_control=1'?
[14:41] <mjg59> siretart: Yeah
[14:42] <shenki> siretart: the fun happens in /proc/acpi/ibm
[14:42] <shenki> siretart: https://launchpad.net/tp-fan is handy too
[14:43] <mjg59> Bear in mind that the X60 handles high temperatures by slowing down the CPU in firmware
[14:43] <mjg59> That's what was broken at various points
[14:44] <shenki> mjg59: do you know what this message is about:
[14:44] <shenki> "thinkpad_acpi: setting the hotkey mask to 0x00ffffff is likely not the best way to go about it"
[14:45] <mjg59> Yes, with recent thinkpad_acpis userspace shouldn't be setting hotkey_mask
[14:48] <shenki> mjg59: where could that be getting set?
[14:50] <mjg59> /etc/modprobe.d somewhere?
[14:59] <siretart> mjg59: thanks for the information! I'll update the bug
[14:59] <_MMA_> Does this deserve a bug report? http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/vbox.png It's using the latest on-disk image -generic kernel.
[15:00] <siretart> shenki: that would be bug LP #256887
[15:02] <shenki> siretart: thanks,i just found it myself too
[15:02] <shenki> stgraber: heh, we added the same comment. you bet me by 49 seconds.
[15:02] <siretart> :)
[15:05] <tjaalton> shenki: it's hotkey-setup, I'll fix it
[15:05] <mjg59> Remember that just removing the file from the package won't fix it, since it's a conffile
[15:05] <siretart> shenki: TBH, I'm a bit hesitant to add a /etc/modprobe.d/thinkpad_acpi.modprobe. what happens if 2 files define options for the same module?
[15:06] <shenki> siretart: mmm, hotkey setup would run after the modprobe, so it would over write modprobe's settings
[15:06] <tjaalton> mjg59: it's echo'ed during init, so just removing that part should do, right?
[15:07] <mjg59> Yeah
[15:07] <mjg59> Oh, of course, it's part of the init script
[15:07] <tjaalton> yep
[15:08] <shenki> the docs suggest setting it to /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/hotkey_recommended_mask
[15:08] <siretart> cat /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/hotkey_recommended_mask > /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/hotkey_mask
[15:09] <shenki> indeed.
[15:09] <siretart> but that's something the module could it itself. if it doesn't do that already
[15:10] <shenki> later on, it talks about not messing with defaults for the backlight control when one has acpi video
[15:10] <shenki> "For Lenovo models *with* ACPI backlight control"
[15:12] <shenki> siretart: have you attempted resuming from suspend with .27?
[15:12] <siretart> shenki: suspend works on my X60s, I haven't tried hibernate yet, though.
[15:12] <siretart> resume btw as well
[15:13] <tjaalton> I wonder if that breaks my screen not resuming from powersave-mode
[15:13] <tjaalton> with .24 it's ok
[15:13] <shenki> my x300 was rebooting (instead of resuming) with .27-1-generic, but resumes fine with upstream ~rc4
[15:14] <mjg59> shenki: Known bug in ftrace
[15:14] <shenki> mjg59: thanks
[15:17] <shenki> ah, and there's the fix. ftrace: disable tracing for hibernation. cool
[15:21] <mjg59> There's another one for suspend to ram
[15:22] <shenki> noticed that. figured i was talking to myself enough. don't need to correct myself too
[15:39] <tjaalton> siretart: I'v tried commenting out that stuff from the initscript, and now hotkey_mask is the same as hotkey_recommended_mask
[15:40] <tjaalton> ok, so my laptop screen really doesn't want to resume frome the powersaving mode
[15:40] <tjaalton> intel
[15:40] <tjaalton> need to reboot to get it back
[15:41] <siretart> tjaalton: so let's claim that setting the hotkey mask was an quirk that is not necessary anymore with current thinkpad_acpi, and we should remove it completely from hotkey-setup
[15:41] <tjaalton> siretart: indeed
[15:43] <siretart> tjaalton: does your ThinkVantage button do something useful? It doesn't for me since (and including) hardy
[15:43] <tjaalton> nope
[18:08] <cjwatson> 2.6.27 seems to have cleared up the intermittent usplash misrenderings for me
[18:17] <BenC> cjwatson: ogasawara said the bug showed others claiming the same
[18:26] <cjwatson> wl driver seems to work, though curiously b43 is still loaded
[18:34] <BenC> cjwatson: does jockey do anything to divert conflicting open/closed drivers?
[18:39] <cjwatson> no idea
[18:39] <cjwatson> wl is still closed from its point of view anyway
[18:39] <cjwatson> it's in linux-restricted-modules and listed in the jockey UI
[18:47] <BenC> cjwatson: I notice alsa-utils 1.0.17 was uploaded
[18:47] <BenC> that was fast
[18:48] <cjwatson> yeah, Luke squeezed it in under the freeze last night
[18:48] <cjwatson> sound still works for me at any rate
[18:49] <BenC> freeze?
[19:22] <CarlFK> .27 - I now have both ath5k and ath_pci loaded at the same time, which I think is bad - should I file a bug in lp?
[19:26] <BenC> CarlFK: Disable ath_pci by either uninstalling linux-restricted-modules or using "Hardware Drivers" control panel
[19:28]  * BenC => reboot
[21:57] <CarlFK> is there some way to redirect kernel boot output to usb?  (laptop has no serial ports)
[22:03] <CarlFK> booting .27 - it pauses at various places, like right now at "[3.11...] SCSI subsystem initialized" - been there for over 1 min.  If I hit any key (spacebar) it will continue, then pause somewhere else.
[22:03] <CarlFK> this seems very odd.
[22:05] <CarlFK> didn't touch it - crash - [174...] stack dump.
[22:25] <smb_tp> CarlFK, Just a wild guess. Might try clocksource=jiffies (won't probably help with the crash, but there had been cases where it helped with pauses)
[22:35] <CarlFK> smb_tp: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/a/pics/P1010005.JPG  pic of screen with "BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 160s! [swapper:0]"
[22:37] <CarlFK> smb_tp: guessing you are the smb that gave me http://people.ubuntu.com/~smb/bug254668 (same box, .27 kernel)
[22:37] <smb_tp> CarlFK, Was that with the clocksource option or just the crash you mentrioned before
[22:37] <smb_tp> Yes, I am
[22:37] <CarlFK> hi
[22:37] <smb_tp> Hi
[22:37] <CarlFK> no clocksource
[22:37] <smb_tp> That one looks like somewhere in the usb code
[22:38] <CarlFK> here is it before the dump  http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/a/pics/P1010004.JPG
[22:39] <CarlFK> http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/a/pics/P1010003.JPG  same thing, better focus
[22:41] <smb_tp> Yeah somewhere setting up the usb controller. The crash place is a bit strange in delay(). Hm...
[22:46] <CarlFK>  http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/a/pics/P1010006.JPG "CPU1 stuck for 98s! [udevd:2033]"
[22:47] <CarlFK> let me know if you want me to open a lp tickit and  post these
[22:48] <smb_tp> CarlFK, Yes, I just have a quick look into the code. Could you probably try the clocksource option meanwhile
[22:48] <smb_tp> ?
[22:48] <CarlFK> sure
[22:56] <cjwatson> 18:48 <cjwatson> yeah, Luke squeezed it in under the freeze last night
[22:56] <cjwatson> 18:49 <BenC> freeze?
[22:56] <cjwatson> oops, Ben left already
[22:56] <cjwatson> was going to remind him of this little thing called feature freeze ;-)
[22:58] <smb_tp> cjwatson, Probably he just forgot it was so close. :)
[23:01] <CarlFK> smb_tp: clocksource=jiffies - now it is stuck on "setting the system clock"
[23:02] <CarlFK> space/enter/type - shows up on console, doesn't un-pause it.  power button, nothing.
[23:04] <CarlFK> hit the "special dvd" button (hp laptop thing) - console shows "[11.8...] atkbd.c: unknown key released..." so it isn't froze just stuck
[23:06] <smb_tp> CarlFK, Very strange. Something somewhere in the timers region. I'd say file a bug for 2.6.27 and probably include dmidecode data so its clear what system this is. At the moment, does SYSRQ-t print something?
[23:12] <smb_tp> CarlFK, Since the oops happened in delay_tsc you might also try "notsc" to see whether that changes things.
[23:14] <CarlFK> k - I rebooted, and this time is slightly different: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/a/pics/P1010009.JPG
[23:14] <CarlFK> hitting sysrq puts ^\ on the screen
[23:15] <CarlFK> what is SYSRQ-t ?  (trying to cord it just does ^\t )
[23:16] <smb_tp> CarlFK, Alt+Print+t
[23:19] <CarlFK> oh great - it fixed itself
[23:20] <smb_tp> CarlFK, Just by waiting or after another boot
[23:21] <CarlFK> another boot - with clocksource=jiffies - which would hang till I power cycled it
[23:23] <smb_tp> CarlFK, this really feels like timing/timer stuff. But I can't place it.
[23:23] <CarlFK> hmm - sudo apt-get upgrade "The following packages have been kept back:   hal libsmbios-bin ubuntu-minimal"
[23:24] <CarlFK> should I install those?
[23:25] <smb_tp> CarlFK, I don't think they have some impact that early but it might be better to have a clean installation
[23:26] <smb_tp> CarlFK, well probably hal might
[23:28] <smb_tp> CarlFK, In any case, you should probably try the "notsc" option (instead of clocksource) and create a bug so this documented
[23:30] <smb_tp> CarlFK, I have to leave now, sorry
[23:30] <CarlFK> no prob
[23:31] <smb_tp> CarlFK, I uploaded another kernel to debug the other problem (it will still hang but prints more). But I did not have time to run it here, so you might want to wait or try it
[23:32] <CarlFK> smb_tp: bug report against .27 kernel ?
[23:32] <smb_tp> The crash yes
[23:32] <CarlFK> ill give it a shot - not like it will catch my box on fire :)
[23:32] <smb_tp> CarlFK, No rather more hanging :)
[23:33] <CarlFK> huh - hitting Alt causes a register dump
[23:33] <CarlFK> you better get going :)
[23:34] <smb_tp> CarlFK, Yeah, I better do... :)
[23:34]  * smb_tp runs