[00:12] <raevol> ok fullscreening apps in workspaces and then using expose to monitor multiple ongoing tasks at once, this is just excessive


[07:02] <Montresor> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-mate.kinetic/revision/348 well that's odd...
[07:05] <Montresor> I mean, I'd just do pipewire, pipewire-pulse, and wireplumber..  We don't ship jack as is, and I guess -alsa could otherwise be added...I don't have that one though.
[08:43] <sorinello> hey Montresor . Any idea why PipeWire was not included in Xubuntu ? AFAIK Ubuntu adopted it already
[08:43] <Montresor> [05:40:59] < Montresor> Landed too late, basically.
[08:44] <Montresor> I mean you can always swap 'em..
[08:44] <sorinello> ok, I imagined there are some bugs, blockers, etc
[08:45] <sorinello> I am afraid to switch if it is not officially supported/default
[10:03] <bluesabre> Montresor: yeah, the mate import includes the nice bluetooth bits that make bt audio better
[10:03] <bluesabre> I agree, no need for jack
[10:24] <bluesabre> knome: added details about the lightweight-ness here, https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-seed/issues/46#issuecomment-1290323285
[10:24] -ubottu:#xubuntu-devel- Issue 46 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-seed "LP#1993941 'Consider Flatpak support in 23.04'" [Open]


[02:48] <kop> so here we are again with the tiny (10pt) fonts on the 1280x720 40" lcd . this time its K3b that is unreadable . any suggestions ? and no I can't read the fonts with a magnifying glass ....
[02:50] <Sentynel> kop: k3b is kde software and thus will obey kde settings
[02:50] <Sentynel> try running kcmshell4 fonts
[02:55] <kop> only using K3b because the rest of the "home/office" is used to it and and once trained retraining is near impossible
[02:55] <kop> this hasn't been the only time I've had to fight the default 10pt font
[02:56] <kop> the console in synaptic is also blessed w/ unreadable fonts
[02:56] <kop> is this an lxde or lubuntu issue ?
[02:57] <kop> btw I do understand the need for the default font size I just don't agree ;)
[04:43] <zerothis> how can i force all sound through my bluetooth headset?
[05:10] <zerothis> im using pulseaudio and oneiric
[05:11] <Unit193> Do you have paman, paprefs, and pavucontrol?
[05:11] <Unit193> Should have enough options in there to set it up I'd think...
[05:17] <blaine_> hello
[05:18] <zerothis> paman, paprefs, and pavucontrol dont show my bt
[05:21] <blaine_> does anyone know how to completely reset all of lxde's settings?
[05:21] <blaine_> I know in KDE I can just delete the .KDE folder... any such folder for lxde?
[05:21] <bioterror> under config
[05:21] <bioterror> .config
[05:21] <bioterror> was it .lubuntu ;)
[05:21] <bioterror> sorry
[05:21] <bioterror> .config/lubuntu/
[05:22] <bioterror> or was it .config/openbox ;)
[05:22] <blaine_> there is an openbox
[05:23] <blaine_> okay... and that file does autogenerate if I delete it... right? :-)
[05:23] <bioterror> yep
[05:25] <blaine_> awesome... my main issue is actually that I set the desktop right click menu to the openbox menu... and there does not seem to be a GUI method of setting that back... other than entering the desktop settings menu... which I can no longer get to...
[05:25] <Unit193> In terminal  pcmanfm --desktop-pref
[05:27] <blaine_> wow... that was amazingly easy... lol... Thanks!
[05:28] <Unit193> Yep
[05:50] <pAt__> Unit139: will this be implemented in the gui in future lubuntu versions?
[05:54] <Unit193> 139? Must not be looking for me...
[05:54] <pAt__> Ups. Yes its for you ;)
[05:56] <pAt__> Unit193
[05:56] <Unit193> What is "this"?
[05:57] <pAt__> What blaine asked
[05:57] <Unit193> Removing all your config isn't a normal operation
[06:00] <pAt__> Nah. Just setting back right click to standard menu rather than openboxmenu by using the gui instead of a terminal comand
[06:00] <Unit193> That terminal command opens a GUI....
[06:01] <Unit193> Might be a menu option too, but that's easier to tell them, and easier for me to remember
[06:01] <pAt__> Sure. But you have to know it. If there is a beginner, he will not find it. Why not including it in the gui?
[06:03] <Unit193> As I just said, there may be a menu option..............
[06:04] <pAt__> I did not find one when i started using lxde, i guess there isnt that option to check
[06:05] <pAt__> Got to go now ;) see you later
[08:11] <marnold> anyone know how i might dissable the touchpad on my thinkpad
[08:23] <pAt_> marnold: look out for syndaemon
[08:24] <marnold> ?
[08:35] <pAt_> marnold: syndaemon can do it, google for it
[08:43] <marnold> k
[08:44] <marnold> thanks
[09:13] <JadedJacob> When I set my resolution to 1024x768, after rebooting it always reverts back to the highest resolution my monitor supports, something crazy like 1600x1200
[09:13] <JadedJacob> how do i stop this from happening?
[09:14] <JadedJacob> I love lubuntu by the way.
[09:14] <JadedJacob> Pentium 4 2.4ghz has never run as fast :)
[09:22] <Unit193> That's a bit odd, do you know if everything in your /home/user dir is owned by your user?
[09:35] <JadedJacob> Unit193 are you talking to me?
[09:36] <Unit193> Nobody else here, you were last to type. Yep :D
[09:36] <JadedJacob> i've only just connected haha
[09:37] <JadedJacob> I think i'm just going to reinstall
[09:37] <JadedJacob> it's a new install anyway, plus i'm putting in a new gfx card anyway
[09:37] <JadedJacob> Going from built in with 8MB shared to a 64MB geforce 4 ti.
[09:37] <Unit193> If for some reason still there, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[09:38] <JadedJacob> ok
[09:40] <JadedJacob> Unit193 what hardware do you run on lubuntu?
[09:41] <Unit193> I wouldn't call it running, but....
[09:41] <Unit193> CPU~Single core Celeron (Mendocino) (-UP-) clocked at 498.389 Mhz Kernel~3.0.0-15-generic i686 Up~12 days Mem~151.4/495.4MB HDD~20.2GB(21.2% used) Procs~132 Client~Irssi 0.8.15 inxi~1.7.7
[09:41] <JadedJacob> why wouldn't you call it running?
[09:42] <Unit193> That's two HDDs, one with old windows install, and crappy uptime.  Well, with that underpowered CPU, it's not snappy, but it's not bad (more of a joke.)
[09:43] <JadedJacob> I have a spare celeron 533
[09:43] <JadedJacob> I'm trying to decide which distro to install on it.
[09:43] <JadedJacob> Looking at TinyCoreLinux or Puppy linux(although puppy linux is getting pretty bloated now)
[09:44] <JadedJacob> well not bloated, but the required hardware has gone up.
[09:44] <JadedJacob> I'm running a Pentium 4 2.4ghz @ 2.8, 1GB ram, 160GB HDD
[09:44] <Unit193> My list of small includes, slitaz, antix, lubuntu, debian netinst, ubuntu mini.iso, and others I can't think of at 5am
[09:45] <Unit193> Depending on what you need, Lubuntu isn't so bad on 500MHz
[09:45] <JadedJacob> True, i I got sick of running windows XP and having to use anti-virus software.
[09:45] <JadedJacob> So I ditched it, such a huge improvement.
[09:46] <JadedJacob> LXDE is so snappy on this hardware.
[09:47] <Unit193> It should be, that's fairly decent
[09:47] <Unit193> Check your 533 if it supports PAE before installing anything on it
[09:48] <Unit193> grep pae /proc/cpuinfo  if you didn't know (from a live or something like that)
[09:50] <JadedJacob> PAE?
[09:51] <Unit193> !pae
[09:52] <Unit193> non-PAE kernels are going to be removed from Ubuntu by defulat very soon, and repos not too long (my 500 supports PAE, but doesn't have that much ram)
[09:57] <JadedJacob> My celeron 533 only has about 192MB RAM
[09:58] <JadedJacob> LOL, my cellphone has better specs than my celeron 5333
[09:59] <Unit193> Yes, but it's the kernel that'll need your computer to support PAE, not the RAM.
[10:00] <JadedJacob> why is the kernel removing support for old hardware, I thought desktop linux distros were all about recycling old hardware :(
[10:01] <Unit193> Well, it's some oddball hardware that doesn't support it, and it's hard to maintain (so they say at least)
[10:02] <JadedJacob> more lines of code :)
[10:02] <JadedJacob> All people want computers for nowadays is Facebook, Flash player and Openoffice. (well the majority of home users)
[10:17] <JadedJacob> thanks for your help man
[10:23] <Unit193> Sure
[10:29] <marnold> well i suppose we can always do ppas when non-pae is removed
[10:29] <marnold> Debian still has a 486 optimized kernel
[10:30] <marnold> so it shouldn't be too hard
[10:30] <marnold> i miss my 486 :(
[10:36] <Unit193> Most won't need to
[10:36] <marnold> i know
[10:37] <marnold> I only just started using lxde because it's like gnome2
[10:38] <marnold> and Gentoo is about the only distro still supporting
[10:38] <marnold> g2
[10:39] <marnold> i've used gentoo, i like gentoo i just don't have time to maintain gentoo
[10:40] <JadedJacob> marnold why don't you like gnome 3?
[10:40] <Unit193> Mmmmmm.... Mind if we continue in #lubuntu-offtopic ?
[10:41] <marnold> nope
[11:14] <moxioc> What are your thoughts on Lubuntu developed tools (like lxpanel, lxsession, lxterminal, etc.) adhering to security improvements suggested by this tool: http://www.trapkit.de/tools/checksec.html
[12:32] <freeroute> http://developer.android.com/sdk/requirements.html
[12:32] <freeroute> under Supported Operating Systems
[12:33] <freeroute> is glibc in this case the same as libc?
[12:36] <JustSighDudes> Is there a way to rename the tabs in LXTerminal?
[12:50] <freeroute> JustSighDu... Ctrl+Shift+I ?
[12:52] <njin> Hello, is pcmanfm using nautilus libraries?
[13:10] <JadedJacob> when paritioning, shall I use 'align to:' MiB or cylinder
[13:22] <marnold> freeroute, yes
[13:23] <marnold> the g is implyed libc stands on its own
[13:23] <marnold> because we're all a bunch of lazy typists
[13:28] <JadedJacob> Shall I use ext3 or ext4 as my '/' partition?
[13:28] <kanliot_> doesn't matter
[13:28] <JadedJacob> Which version of grub comes with 11.10?
[13:29] <JadedJacob> 1.99* ?
[13:34] <marnold> JadedJacob, if you don't know go with ext4
[13:35] <marnold> i used to be a big ext4 hater
[13:35] <marnold> but they fixed the issues i had
[13:35] <JadedJacob> ok
[13:35] <marnold> of course my /home is still reiserfs
[13:40] <jo-erlend> thought I'd have a look at the current state of Precise for Lubuntu. Where can I get a recent image?
[13:45] <JadedJacob> thanks marnold
[13:45] <JadedJacob> what were the issues you had?
[13:45] <JadedJacob> also what is the default login/password for the lubuntu live cd?
[13:46] <marnold> should be none
[13:46] <JadedJacob> i clicked logout, cause the installer froze
[13:47] <marnold> don't do that
[13:47] <JadedJacob> it's 'ubuntu'
[13:47] <JadedJacob> no password
[13:47] <marnold> yep
[13:47] <JadedJacob> how else would i close the installer?
[13:48] <marnold> you don't
[13:48] <marnold> you wait 20 minutes
[13:48] <JadedJacob> the installer froze, I couldn't click next or quit
[13:48] <marnold> and if its still stuck you reboot the system
[13:49] <JadedJacob> it was on the first page.
[13:49] <marnold> ok then
[13:49] <JadedJacob> I'M TRYINg to restart, and it's at *unmounting temporary filesystems [ok] and it's just sitting there
[13:49] <marnold> ok
[13:49] <marnold> try pushing enter
[13:50] <marnold> the disc should eject
[13:50] <JadedJacob> LOL, I'm so used to waiting for the message, 'press enter'
[13:50] <JadedJacob> It's a flashdrive by the way, restarting now.
[13:50] <marnold> did it work
[13:51] <JadedJacob> Clicking on 'update this installer
[13:51] <JadedJacob> ' probably didn't help.
[13:51] <marnold> well then that explains it
[13:51] <JadedJacob> for some reason I can only get the live "disc" to boot using acpi=off
[13:52] <marnold> that also explains it
[13:52] <JadedJacob> acpi=off explains why it froze during install?
[13:52] <marnold> it can't reboot on its own if
[13:52] <marnold> acpi is off
[13:53] <marnold> no
[13:53] <marnold> thats not why installer broke
[13:53] <marnold> you'll want the text based installer
[13:54] <marnold> if you can't get live to boot
[13:54] <marnold> either something is wrong with the disc or your system
[13:54] <marnold> kill two birds with one stone
[13:55] <marnold> the alt installer can work with any  oddball stuff that may be going on
[13:57] <JadedJacob> I've already started to copy
[13:59] <JadedJacob> It's a horrible intel motherboard with a pentium 4 2.4ghz CPU
[13:59] <JadedJacob> 512 RAM and a geforce 4 ti 4200
[14:01] <JadedJacob> I'll try installing the driver from nvidia
[14:02] <JadedJacob> disabling acpi=off and restarting
[14:07] <JadedJacob> Grabbing the alt installer
[14:07] <JadedJacob> :(
[14:08] <JadedJacob> I'm testing the RAM as well
[14:08] <JadedJacob> Something is broken though
[14:08] <JadedJacob> Memtest86+ isn't displaying properly
[14:08] <JadedJacob> there's black bards and overlapping text.
[14:44] <freeroute> does (h)top have a function which is similar to LXTask 0.1.4 "Show memory used by cache as free" ?
[14:45] <freeroute> because that is a preeety useful thing to know when working in live environments
[15:14] <JadedJacob> marnold:
[15:14] <JadedJacob> Seems my CPU was overheating.
[15:27] <pcroque> freeroute: top shows VIRT and RES columns for the memory, and the command free -m shows a line '-/+ buffers/cache' that should do what you want.
[15:28] <pcroque> freeroute: see www.linuxatemyram.com also.
[16:15] <giuseppe60> hello
[16:16] <draioch> ive had a recurrent prob with lubuntu 11.10, ive done 3  reinstalls in about 3 month for same reason, password and user no longer accecpted  for no apparent reason, seems to happen when i switch off at mains and not sys shoutdown anyone any suggestions pls
[16:17] <freeroute> pcroque: that website made me lol hard :D
[16:17] <holstein> draioch: theres a recovery kernel... have you tried that?
[16:23] <draioch> hi holstein, hows it goin!, think i tried that will try again thx
[16:23] <phillw> draioch: 2 possible causes. One is that / mounts as read-only as there is a file error. 2nd you mess up your ICEAuthority file permissions
[16:23] <holstein> draioch: o/
[16:23] <draioch> \o
[16:24] <phillw> draioch: however, the best way to prevent smashing your file system is not to power off before shutting down.
[16:24] <holstein> draioch: thats what i would try first... that is odd... i could try some testing with you though.. i have som boxes i could pull the power on ;)
[16:24] <draioch> i know thx phillw
[16:25] <draioch> its the 3rd time happening and i do a lot of mains swithoffs, cant think off any other reason thx holstein
[16:25] <phillw> re-mounting / as rw by using Alt-F2 should get that fior you (you can check if it is an error sate by issuing mount - if / is read only, then it is in a state of error.
[16:26] <holstein> draioch: does is seem to be only lubuntu? ...do you have encryption setup?
[16:26] <draioch> thx phillw ill keep that in mind
[16:27] <draioch> me only use lubuntu on one pc, no encryption setup
[16:28] <draioch> meantime is recovery kernel easiest option for now
[16:33] <pcroque> freeroute: Yeah...it's pretty funny...but it helped me understand what was going on with memory on my system.
[16:34] <pcroque> freeroute: BTW the command: watch free -m should give you an update every 2 seconds of your real free memory.
[16:41] <JadedJacob> morning
[16:41] <JadedJacob> got the coffee on?
[16:42] <Flazer> you know it
[16:44] <JadedJacob> Hi Flazer, help me tweak lubuntu for performance.
[16:44] <JadedJacob> :D
[16:54] <JadedJacob> Man the boot time of lubuntu is amazing.
[16:54] <JadedJacob> Flazer I'm just trying to tweak flash playpack
[16:54] <JadedJacob> *back
[17:05] <draioch> when trying to repair kernel from rescue mode from 11.10 iso when option to pick as device for root file for pass restore or does it matter, ta... /dev/sda1 or 2 or 5 or no use root file sys
[17:05] <draioch> which option
[17:12] <Flazer> sorry Jacob. was making bkfast. afk. as far as tweaking, I may not be your best man just yet. ;-)
[17:13] <JadedJacob> All good
[17:13] <JadedJacob> I'll read the ubuntuforums
[17:13] <JadedJacob> and install a light weight browser to go along with tweaked lubuntu
[17:13] <JadedJacob> Turning off a few processes, like bluetooth
[17:15] <Flazer> that's what I would suggest. you can even remove packages you don't use. that's a little more advanced tho. I use chromium as my browser, which seems to work well
[17:21] <JadedJacob> I want to be able to watch 480p content with out any dropped frames
[17:21] <JadedJacob> well with out any stuttering.
[17:21] <JadedJacob> Firefox 9 seems too much of a resource hog for my aging pentium 4 2.4ghz
[17:27] <Flazer> so you're watching a video on say, YouTube, and you get stuttering? especially in fullscreen right?
[17:28] <Flazer> I did some digging, and it sounds more like a Flash isn't optimized for Linux issue rather than a Lubuntu issue. another guy had the same sort of thing happen in Ubuntu. let me see what his fix was
[17:29] <Flazer> "Another disappointment (although an expected one) is the performance of Flash under Linux. Under Windows XP, this machine shows almost no extra CPU usage when switching YouTube videos to full screen 480p. However, due to the sub-optimal performance of Flash on Linux, I couldn't even get smooth playback of 320p in full screen mode under Linux. In windowed mode, the performance was acceptable, and there is a partial work-around in the form
[17:29] <Flazer> of FlashVideoReplacer."
[17:30] <Flazer> m.linuxjournal.com/content/xubuntu-1110-and-my-netbook
[17:30] <Flazer> the fix is an addon for Firefox.
[17:31] <JadedJacob> Cool, I'll install Firefox as well, so I can compare flash performance.
[17:31] <JadedJacob> Not even full screen video, just 360/480p youtube videos at their normal size.
[17:32] <JadedJacob> stutter and lag
[17:32] <Flazer> good idea. I had to run some terminal fommands to get chromium to add flash. by default it doesn't have it, probably to boost performance ;-)
[17:32] <Flazer> commands
[17:49] <JadedJacob> Flazer
[17:49] <JadedJacob> Just reinstalled Lubuntu + updates + nvidia drivers
[17:49] <JadedJacob> Flash playback is amazing now thanks to HTML5
[17:49] <Flazer> ya?
[17:50] <Flazer> good to hear. which browser
[17:50] <Flazer> I was going to tell you to wait for HTML 5, but thought that would sound to asinine haha
[17:51] <JadedJacob> lol spoke too soon, full screen flash made chromium crash
[17:51]  * Flazer lets out a sigh
[17:52] <Flazer> what about Firefox?
[17:54] <JadedJacob> hmmm
[17:54] <JadedJacob> How do I install firefox in lubuntu?
[17:55] <phillw> JadedJacob: go into Synaptic Package Mananger and type firefox in the search part.
[18:04] <JadedJacob> thanks
[18:07] <valdur55> Where i can find this chat log?
[18:07] <valdur55> This channel log*
[18:13] <pcroque> valdur55: irclogs.ubuntu.com
[18:56] <JadedJacob> Flazer: FlashVideoReplacer has been removed
[18:57] <Flazer> ah, sorry
[18:58] <valdur55> I am having problem with xdg-open http:// and ubutnu-bug fails with this problem.
[18:58] <wxl> valdur55: you STILL haven't replied to the email
[18:59] <valdur55> oh sorry.... alpha2 ... and dailly
[18:59] <wxl> again, you still haven't replied to all the questions
[19:00] <kanliot_> xdg-open works on my pc
[19:01] <valdur55> xdg-open can't hadnle http://
[19:04] <valdur55> xdg-open http://lubuntu.net
[19:04] <valdur55> who can open this with lubuntu?
[19:09] <valdur55> wxl, Check your command.... xdg-open and ubuntu-bug doesn't exist
[19:13] <wxl> valdur55: why don't you try installing them :D
[19:14] <valdur55> I mean.. package
[19:16] <valdur55> wxl, and why i need use sudo for apt-policy
[19:16] <valdur55> wxl, apt-cahe policy
[19:17] <wxl> because you need sudo for every apt command valdur55
[19:17] <valdur55> are you sure? apt-get source pakcage works nicely
[19:18] <wxl> you're welcome to try it without
[19:19] <Sentynel> apt-cache doesn't need sudo
[19:19] <valdur55> and apt-source , i depens on working dir
[19:20] <valdur55> install, update, clean, purge, autoremove is with sudo
[19:20] <kanliot_> xdg-open http://lubuntu.net works fine here
[19:20] <valdur55> oh.. just admin tasks.... i missed some commands
[19:21] <Sentynel> you need root if you're making changes, basically; just reading the db is not a privileged operation
[19:21] <valdur55> kanliot_, what version?
[19:21] <kanliot_> precise
[19:21] <valdur55> oh... but ubuntu-bug xdg-utils ?
[19:22] <kanliot_> how do i get that
[19:22] <valdur55> command: ubuntu-bug xdg-utils
[19:23] <kanliot_> 2:~$ xdg-utils 1.10-rc1-2ubuntu6
[19:24] <kanliot_> valdur did you get my email in the list about the scrollbars?
[19:24] <kanliot_> if you did if you could test that for me
[19:26] <valdur55> kanliot_, yea i got it... i need some free time to hack again with lubuntu dailly build :)
[19:27] <kanliot_> it's quick to test
[19:28] <kanliot_> cmon!
[19:36] <venik212> I want to assign some function to the center button of a mouse-- how do I do that in Lubuntu?
[19:38] <JadedJacob> Has anyone managed to get flash to run smoothly?
[19:42] <holstein> JadedJacob: i have flash running smoothly on most everything... not on one via chip though... and several otherers are choppy with certain driver/kernel configurations
[19:45] <venik212> anyone knows how to assign functions to mouse buttons in Lubuntu?
[19:46] <kanliot_> openbox
[19:47] <kanliot_> or that x config thing
[19:47] <kanliot_> xbindkeys
[19:47] <bioterror> probably from lubuntu-rc.xml
[19:48] <bioterror> never had urge to do that
[19:50] <Flazer> got a weird bug. when I first boot up. the "start" button and the power button have a white background. if I change the background of the power to something else and then back it fixes it. only started happening in the last week
[19:55] <venik212> Openbox allows very limited stuff regarding the mouse, AFAIK
[19:55] <venik212> I looked
[20:01] <venik212> yes-- I see that editing the lubuntu-rc.xml could do it.....  It would have been nice if the mouse & Keyboard app from the menu had some more features.. Oh well
[20:10] <kanliot_> flazer iif you can reproduce it then file a bug
[20:10] <kanliot_> most likely the dev wont be able to reproduce it
[20:10] <kanliot_> on his pc or hers
[20:13] <Flazer> gotcha, will do, just was seeing if anyone else had come across it
[20:26] <silverarrow> hi
[20:26] <silverarrow> I'm about to turn back to lubuntu
[20:29] <Flazer> yeah?
[20:30] <Flazer> welcome back
[20:30] <silverarrow> hi
[20:30] <silverarrow> ;-)
[20:31] <silverarrow> I've been running puppy linux for a while, but I there are advantages to full install and stability
[20:31] <wxl> ew puppy linux
[20:32] <Flazer> what kind of a system?
[20:37] <silverarrow> its' not ew lol
[20:37] <silverarrow> but it is mainly frugal install, and cd/usb boot
[20:37] <silverarrow> it works, and it's really fast
[20:38] <wxl> conceptually i like it, not actually
[20:38] <Flazer> right, would be good for netbooks or limited hard drive storage
[20:38] <silverarrow> lubuntu often boots better from full install
[20:38] <Flazer> but you're looking to come back to lubuntu?
[20:38] <silverarrow> or faster
[20:39] <Flazer> yep
[20:39] <silverarrow> yes, I am
[20:40] <silverarrow> puppy is great for those who compile and tweak stuff
[20:40] <Flazer> yeah, but you want a daily user distro, right?
[20:40] <silverarrow> yes,
[20:41] <Flazer> we're here to help
[20:42] <silverarrow> I'm  about to burn 11.10
[20:48] <JadedJacob> how can i close X server, so I can manually install nvidia drivers?
[20:51] <Sentynel> JadedJacob: why are you manually installing nvidia drivers?
[20:51] <Sentynel> that way lies pain
[20:51] <JadedJacob> i'm sick of flash video not playing smoothly in full screen
[20:51] <wxl> my understanding is that was a flash problem
[20:52]  * holstein has been sick of flash period for years...
[20:52] <Sentynel> but why install them manually?
[20:52] <Sentynel> I'm not convinced updated drivers will help with that, but there's no reason to manually install
[20:52] <wxl> holstein: why are you following me around irc? ;)
[20:52]  * holstein high-fives wxl !
[20:53] <Sentynel> JadedJacob: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates <- latest drivers packaged
[20:53] <wxl> JadedJacob: proof you're barking up the wrong tree https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/346289
[20:54] <wxl> note it's a bug in the flashplugin
[20:54] <wxl> which means it's a problem with adobe
[20:54] <wxl> you're more likely to get an amendment to the consitution in the us than have them care a hoot about linux
[20:54] <holstein> i would try other browsers too JadedJacob ... chrome has its own flash AFAIK
[20:55] <wxl> i will admit that my experience with free flash has not been great :(
[20:55] <Sentynel> also, check for html5 modes on the video player you're using (youtube provides html5 on a lot of videos, for example)
[20:55] <wxl> html5 WILL work
[20:56] <Sentynel> yet another alternative is to use a content downloader of some sort, e.g. the firefox extension DownloadHelper, and watch the downloaded video with VLC or something similar
[20:56] <JadedJacob> holstein: You mean HTML5?
[20:56] <Sentynel> bit of a pest, but it'll run a lot better
[20:57] <JadedJacob> Sentynel, using a downloader, defeats the whole purpose of streaming
[20:57] <kanliot_> actually flash runs pretty fast on my pc, even in 1920x
[20:58] <Sentynel> JadedJacob: not really.. you can start watching while it's still downloading with any decent video player, for example
[20:58] <holstein> JadedJacob: i mean flash... AFAIK, chrome, the actual chrome browser has its own flash
[20:58] <holstein> you can try it for troubleshooting purposes, since that *way* easier than juggling drivers
[20:59] <JadedJacob> *looks for his Windows XP install CD*
[21:02] <JadedJacob> I want to install drivers manually for learing purposes.
[21:03] <Sentynel> then back everything up and make sure you have a spare computer available while you're doing it.
[21:04] <Sentynel> sudo stop lxdm from a tty should shut down x. in my experience there's a 50% chance of the driver install completely killing X, so have fun. and it'll break every time you update the kernel
[21:07] <JadedJacob> OverrideGPUValidation=true seems to have helped
[21:08] <Sentynel> er, I don't know what the switch does or what you fed it to but gpu validation is probably there for a reason.
[21:08] <JadedJacob> I'm up from 2 fps in full screen to 12-19
[21:08] <Sentynel> hrm, interesting
[21:09] <Sentynel> there might be stability problems
[21:11] <JadedJacob> the reason why i want to use a manual driver, is because it's an old card, and ubuntu is probably installing the latest version, released in 2011, i'm trying to install the driver released in 2007
[21:11] <Sentynel> why do you imagine that would help?
[21:12] <Flazer> Jacob, yeah i think it's like they're saying, flash...i'm on an EeePC with built in intel graphics and get the same problem
[21:12] <Flazer> it's not a driver issue, it's a flash issue :(
[21:12] <wxl> …and adobe doesn't care one bit about their linux userbase
[21:13] <Flazer> ya
[21:16] <JadedJacob> I'm trying to get blood out of a stone
[21:19] <Flazer> just a bit
[21:27] <JadedJacob> Right, so down with adobe, what other non-apple player can I use?
[21:27] <wxl> !flash | JadedJacob
[21:27] <wxl> oops
[21:28] <wxl> !Gnash | JadedJacob
[21:30] <JadedJacob> thanks
[21:31] <JadedJacob> I'm going to setup this system as a dual boot
[21:31] <JadedJacob> Windows XP for Flash, lubuntu for everything else
[21:40] <JadedJacob> i've installed the mozilla-plugin-gnash package, how can it it working in firefox
[21:43] <phillw> JadedJacob: the Lord works in mysterious ways... :)
[22:01] <JadedJacob> as in firefox is too recent?
[22:30] <marnold> JadedJacob run dpkg -L mozilla-plugin-gnash
[22:31] <marnold> if you want to know
[22:31] <marnold> otherwise its magic
[23:53] <kanliot> doesn't lubuntu have a beep on errors?
[23:53] <bioterror> explain more
[23:53] <kanliot> like control-g
[23:54] <kanliot> or when i do something stupid in an app
[23:54] <kanliot> you get that beep
[23:54] <kanliot> it's in gnome
[23:54] <bioterror> good for gnome
[23:54] <bioterror> no, lubuntu has no "sound theme's"
[23:55] <kanliot> ok
[23:55] <kanliot> i was typing control g i kinda miss it there
[23:56] <kanliot> i'm gonna see if theres an faq for turning it on
[23:57] <phillw> kanliot: not on our FAQ there is not.
[23:58] <kanliot> man i guess some people don't like the beep
[23:59] <bioterror> you're right
[23:59] <bioterror> first thing I do when I log into windows installation is to change sound theme to no theme. and when I get desktop computer, I unplug the PCSPEACKER -cable


[01:55] <twayneprice> ping wrst
[01:55] <wrst> hello twayneprice
[01:58] <twayneprice> hey there.  I rebuilt that server.  I'm wanting to set it back up right.  I create a user, added to sudo group and I can ssh in but I cant log into the desktop.  Ideas?
[01:59] <Omnifrog> people!!!!
[01:59] <wrst> twayneprice: what did you install?
[02:00] <twayneprice> U12.04 x64 Desktop
[02:00] <wrst> ahh so you get to the login screen and can't login?
[02:00] <wrst> and twayneprice when you reinstalled you really shouldn't have had to do anything with sudoers because the first user you add during the install in ubuntu is the "admin" user
[02:01] <wrst> Omnifrog: the world would be a lot easier place without people wouldn't it ;)
[02:02] <Omnifrog> who would post pics of cats?
[02:02] <twayneprice> I didn't add a user.  I guess the vps has a machine that is already configured.
[02:03] <wrst> ahh i keep forgetting its not a bare metal install
[02:03] <wrst> so i guess the question is how are you supposed to get into the desktop?
[02:04] <wrst> Omnifrog: other cats maybe??
[02:04] <Omnifrog> lol
[02:05] <wrst> wait cats don't even like other cats
[02:07] <twayneprice> wrst: I can get in with root
[02:08] <wrst> hmm
[02:09] <twayneprice> I looks like it is going to login but then goes back to the login
[02:09] <wrst> you should be able to login to the desktop with an unprivelaged user
[02:09] <twayneprice> guest user works
[02:12] <wrst> well twayneprice what if you login as root and choose the option to not need to enter a password and login as the user you created?
[02:12] <twayneprice> Nevermind.  I created a new user and it works fine
[02:14] <wrst> ahh good :)
[02:14] <wrst> because i had no clue but hated to admit it!
[02:16] <twayneprice> :) Now to add plex and bitcasa back....
[02:19] <wrst> good luck twayneprice i'm going back to dora the explorer for a few more minues


[12:37] <lontra> are there kde 4 packages for feisty?
[12:37] <Hobbsee> not yet
[12:37] <Hobbsee> lontra: there are for edgy though
[12:37] <Hobbsee> afaik
[12:38] <lontra> hmm...i'm only running feisty though
[12:38] <lontra> they would probably behave ok
[12:38] <Hobbsee> lontra: actually, kde4 packages are going into feisty soonish.
[12:39] <lontra> Hobbsee: cool...for testing purposes right?
[12:39] <lontra> also does anyone know if there'll be an official kubuntu package of kickoff?
[12:40] <Hobbsee> lontra: yes, testing
[12:40] <Hobbsee> lontra: probably not.  of course, if someone provides a package, that actually builds, then we'll look again
[12:40] <Hobbsee> lontra: we had trouble getting it to build
[12:43] <lontra> Hobbsee: yeah i talked with a DD about it and he said it's a strange package.  it is sure is slick though.
[12:44] <Hobbsee> lontra: did the DD manage to build it?
[12:45] <lontra> Hobbsee: no...he talked with the person who made a package and posted it on kde-look
[12:45] <lontra> they made a kubuntu package for it
[12:45] <Hobbsee> they made a kubuntu *binary* for it, yes.
[12:45] <Hobbsee> ubuntu accepts sources, nto binaries
[12:48] <lontra> Hobbsee: yeah
[12:48] <lontra> i know
[12:48] <Hobbsee> lontra: it appears to try to find a file which doenst exist in kde - or nto easily findable, anyway.
[12:48] <Hobbsee> and fail, because it cant find it
[12:52] <lontra> it involves patching of kdelibs...iirc
[12:53] <Hobbsee> with what, though?
[12:53] <Hobbsee> you'd have to ask tonio_ for more info, when he gets back, seeing as he was the one working on it
[12:56] <lontra> Hobbsee: i'm not sure...that's what pusling in #debian-kde told me
[12:58] <Hobbsee> lontra: ah right, so pusling was working on it
[12:58] <Hobbsee> cool
[12:59] <lontra> he looked at it...i'm not sure he was working on it...
[01:00] <Hobbsee> right
[01:00] <lontra> he told me to package it for debian :D
[01:05] <Hobbsee> :D woo!
[01:05] <Hobbsee> go on then!  :P
[01:07] <lontra> ha ha
[01:10] <lontra> Hobbsee: we'll see ... i'm still trying to figure out if i want to stick with kubuntu or run kde on debian.  i've only got one 7 GB partition so i can only have one or the other
[01:12] <Hobbsee> lontra: ahh.  a lot of it is common.  kubuntu's tends to get the newer releases in quickly, iirc.
[01:13] <Hobbsee> lontra: we've got a debian-kde team, who start in debian, and some kubuntu people have accoutns to it
[01:13] <Hobbsee> not sure if it's the same as the irc channel - may be called somewhere else
[01:13] <Hobbsee> er, something else
[02:25] <Hobbsee> yuriy: nice, thanks :)
[02:25] <Hobbsee> heya manchicken_
[02:27] <yuriy> hi Hobbsee
[02:29] <yuriy> did that ever get to kubuntu-users?
[02:30] <yuriy> guess not
[02:31] <yuriy> i guess i gotta subscribe and resend :o
[02:32] <Hobbsee> yuriy: it got to -devel
[02:33] <Hobbsee> er....
[02:33] <Hobbsee> i'm not subscribed to users at the moment...
[02:33] <yuriy> i got a rejected email from -users and awaiting mod approval from 3 other ones
[02:34] <yuriy> clearly my subscriptions aren't in shape to be makign announcements
[02:35] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:35] <Hobbsee> where'd you send them to?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> as in, k-devel, k-users, -motu
[02:36] <yuriy> kubuntu-devel, -users, ubuntu-motu, -bugsquad, -marketing
[02:36] <Hobbsee> ahh, i see
[02:39] <Hobbsee> it didnt
[02:39] <Hobbsee> yuriy: sent to bugsquad and users
[02:52] <yuriy> Hobbsee: thanks
[02:53] <Hobbsee> no problem
[03:39] <ash211> can somebody please help me with bug 91229 ?
[03:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 91229 in amarok "[feisty]  Amarok doesn't read vorbis tags" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91229
[03:39] <ash211> We've tried recompiling amarok and libtag, but still no help
[05:08] <manchicken> Riddell: ping
[05:09] <manchicken> Hobbsee: You know of any important bugs in adept needing fixing?
[05:10] <Hobbsee> manchicken: havent looked, sorry
[05:11] <manchicken> okie dokie
[05:11] <manchicken> I'm bored
[05:36] <manchicken> Can anybody still replicate bug #87046?
[05:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87046 in adept "Crash when 'details' is clicked" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87046
[05:39] <Hobbsee> checking
[05:41] <Hobbsee> manchicken: i'm still getting the crash on update (presumably to a new release)
[05:41] <manchicken> Interesting.
[05:42] <manchicken> When looking at the details thing?
[05:42] <Hobbsee> didnt even get there
[05:42] <manchicken> Weird.
[05:42] <Hobbsee> i said to check for updates, then it got most of them, downloaded the changelog thing, then crashed.
[05:43] <Hobbsee> with adept_updater
[05:49] <Hobbsee> manchicken: i cant reproduce the crashign in details though, in adept-manager
[05:50] <manchicken> w00t
[05:50] <manchicken> someone else fixed it.
[05:50] <manchicken> heh
[05:50] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:50] <manchicken> Riddell will know who did that.
[05:50] <Hobbsee> yep
[05:52] <Hobbsee> manchicken: how abotu fixing https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/48627 ?
[05:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48627 in adept "Poor resolution of "database locked" problem" [Medium,Unconfirmed]
[06:02] <manchicken> :(
[06:08] <Hobbsee> manchicken: take out the beta.
[06:13] <manchicken_> Yeah, I did.
[06:33] <Hobbsee> manchicken: you can always sign up for teh beta lp team, btw
[06:41] <aj_> hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused...what does this mean exactly?
[10:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what state is the upgrader in?  ie, does it need further testing yet?
[10:56] <Jucato> hm.... Hobbsee you around?
[10:56] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yes
[10:57] <Jucato> Hobbsee: just wondering, is it normal that kde metapackages aren't included the kubuntu.org KDE updates?
[10:57] <Jucato> hehehe from jsgotangco?
[10:58] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yep
[10:59] <Jucato> oh... I think that's causing some problems w/ the dist-upgrade, for example, if kde-devel metapackage is installed
[10:59] <Jucato> er... wait.. was that "yes" about the metapackages for about the picture? :D
[10:59] <Jucato> sorry just woke up eheheh
[11:01] <fdoving> oh nice. kmix has a 'middle-click on tray-icon to toggle mute'.
[11:02] <Jucato> :)
[11:07] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yes to the picture questoin
[11:07] <Jucato> hm... the dist-upgrade tool doesn't start...
[11:07] <Hobbsee> Jucato: um...not sure
[11:08] <Hobbsee> Jucato: from edgy?  run it from konsole, and see if it gives you an error about nto being able to connect to the display
[11:08] <Jucato> ok
[11:09] <Jucato> can't find DistUpgradeViewKDE
[11:09] <Jucato> btw I used this repo since I have KDE 3.5.6 installed: deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/edgy-dist-upgrade-kde356/ ./
[11:12] <Jucato> are we supposed to install update-manager for it to work?
[11:14] <Hobbsee> i'm...not sure
[11:14] <Jucato> I probably better wait for monday...
[11:14] <Jucato> which means I won't be able to participate in the bug week...
[11:15] <Hobbsee> you can run a standard dist-upgrade thru the console
[11:16] <Jucato> yeah... but I was hoping to test-run the dist-upgrade tool as well
[11:23] <Hobbsee> multiple partitions?
[11:24] <Jucato> hm?
[11:24] <Hobbsee> as in, run kubuntu on multiple partitions - dist-upgrade oen, and keep the other
[11:24] <Jucato> ah ok.. I will try
[11:24] <Jucato> hehe go do dishes :)
[11:25] <Hobbsee> dont have the motivation to
[11:25] <Jucato> heh :)
[11:25] <Jucato> it's not an absolute necessity. blogging I mean :)
[11:25] <Hobbsee> :P
[11:26] <Jucato> which is one reason I keep putting off adding myself to Planet ubuntu :D
[11:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:47] <Lure> Jucato: just run it as written on KubuntuDistUpgrade page
[11:49] <Hobbsee> heya Lure
[11:49] <Lure> hi Hobbsee - nice to have another Kubunut blogger
[11:49] <Hobbsee> Lure: :)
[11:49] <Lure> Kubuntu even  ;-)
[11:49] <Hobbsee> kubunut...nice :)
[11:50] <Hobbsee> Lure: it's even a semi-decent picture too - yay :P
[11:51] <Lure> Hobbsee: I am sure nixternal will make you hackergothci ;-)
[11:51] <Lure> Hobbsee: you might even get a hat like Riddell ;-)
[11:52] <Hobbsee> argh!  no!
[11:53] <toma> Hobbsee has a blog?
[11:53] <Hobbsee> toma: yes.
[11:53] <Hobbsee> toma: rumour suggests this to be true
[11:54] <toma> but your not on planet kubuntu
[11:54] <Hobbsee> toma: i'm on planet ubuntu
[11:54] <toma> hmm
[11:54] <toma> i dont read that often, its usually off topic
[11:54] <Hobbsee> toma: as in the .de one?
[11:54] <toma> yeah
[11:54] <Hobbsee> ahh
[11:55] <Hobbsee> toma: mainly because i didnt think of it
[11:55] <Hobbsee> feel free to put it there
[11:58] <toma> rsibreak is package of the day!!!!
[11:58] <Hobbsee> yep!  :D
[12:00] <Hobbsee> toma: unlikely.  outside is scary
[12:26] <Jucato> Lure: I did follow the KubuntuDIstUpgrade page...
[12:27] <Lure> Jucato: does it work for you?
[12:27] <Jucato> Lure: unfortunately, no...
[12:27] <Lure> :-(
[12:27] <Jucato> at first I thought it was because of some held back package... but that seemed to be another matter entirely
[12:29] <Jucato> The error that I get at the end when when I run adept_manager from Konsole is "can't find DistUpgradeViewKDE"
[12:30] <Lure> Jucato: that sounds like bad update-manager package on soyuz
[12:30] <Jucato> so I guess I'll have to wait till Monday :)
[12:30] <Jucato> btw, I'm using the repo for those who have KDE 3.5.6 already
[12:31] <Jucato> Hobbsee: lol! I just read that as "USB on a stick" :D
[12:32] <Lure> Jucato: she likes to write about sticks
[12:32] <Jucato> rofl :)
[12:33] <Hobbsee> Jucato: hah
[12:33] <mhb> morning
[12:33] <Hobbsee> heya mhb
[12:33] <Lure> auch
[12:34] <Jucato> hi mhb!
[12:34] <Hobbsee> Lure: hehe
[12:34] <Hobbsee> Lure: maybe a part of UDS
[12:35] <Lure> Hobbsee: yep, that might be nice spec for UDS ;-)
[12:35] <mhb> Lure: auch was?
[12:35] <Jucato> lol :)
[12:35] <Lure> mhb: [12:33]  * Hobbsee beats Lure with a herring
[12:35] <Hobbsee> Lure: *grin*
[12:36] <mhb> Lure: oh, you meant "ouch", not "auch"
[12:36] <Lure> Hobbsee: you will go to UDS in Spain?
[12:36] <Lure> Hobbsee: do you know who else is coming?
[12:36] <Hobbsee> Lure: yes, i plan to.  not sure who else is coming
[12:37] <Hobbsee> awww
[12:37] <Lure> Hobbsee: ok, so I expect you to write us some specs so that we have something to do for feisty+1 ;-)
[12:38] <Hobbsee> Lure: i'll write, and you can code them - does that sound good?
[12:38] <Lure> Hobbsee: fine with me ;-)
[12:38] <Hobbsee> you, meaning "you all"
[12:39] <mhb> speaking of specs
[12:39] <Lure> Hobbsee: of course, "you personally" I expect the ThePointyStickOfDoom spec
[12:39] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:39] <Lure> Hobbsee: that is for kwwii to implement
[12:39] <Hobbsee> ahh
[12:40] <mhb> Qt4 is available as GPL for Windows too, am I correct?
[12:40] <Lure> mhb: right
[12:40] <Jucato> mhb: yes
[12:40] <Lure> mhb: and MacOSX
[12:41] <Jucato> is there a place to sort of submit/file wishlists?
[12:44] <mhb> hmm, so we could code some nice mini-apps/wizards for Windows and include them on the CD, such as "repair GRUB after Windows install" or "create Kubuntu Live USB pen drive" ...
[12:44] <Hobbsee> mhb: if it fit on a pen drive, yes.
[12:45] <mhb> Hobbsee: easily, if the pen drive is 1GB+
[12:45] <mhb> Hobbsee: there are howtos on the net
[12:46] <mhb> Hobbsee: those were only examples - but if we plan to ship Windows stuff on the CD, some useful wizards like that could be handy
[12:46] <Hobbsee> indeed
[12:47] <Hobbsee> mhb: you offering to write them?
[12:47] <Jucato> hm... hope they won't cause a space issue again :)
[12:57] <freeflying> Riddell: ping
[12:58] <Hobbsee> freeflying: it's sunday.
[12:58] <freeflying> Hobbsee: I c, but qt-3.3.8 have problems with CJK characters display
[12:59] <Hobbsee> never the less, he's probably not watching irc, as it's a sunday, and most people dont work on sundays
[12:59] <freeflying> Hobbsee: I've tested it this whole day, can not make it display them correctly, and this was found under archlinux and gentoo too
[01:04] <mhb> Hobbsee: I can do the UI part, not sure about the backends
[01:11] <mhb> Hobbsee: the backends would require some Windows programming experience, which I lack
[01:11] <Hobbsee> mhb: ahhh...
[01:11] <Hobbsee> mhb: presumably all one would need to do would be to say "run grub install" or something
[01:23] <mhb> Hobbsee: it depends ... I will start the spec (we can dismiss it later) but we need to decide how many (and what) tools we will implement
[01:23] <Hobbsee> ok
[01:24] <mhb> Hobbsee: I can do the analysis on how much "low-level" Windows experience is necessary, but only after I know what tools do we want :o)
[01:24] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[03:36] <_StefanS_> hi there
[03:37] <Jucato> hi _StefanS_
[03:37] <_StefanS_> hey juCo
[06:18] <Riddell> manchicken_: you pinged?
[06:24] <lontra> the kde4 packages in feisty are safe to install along side the kde 3.5.6 packages?  i.e. it won't bork kde 3.5.6
[06:25] <Tm_T> lontra: Should _NOT_ ever do that.
[06:26] <Tm_T> If does, there's something badly wrong.
[06:26] <lontra> They install to /usr/lib/kde4 and can be installed alongside your existing KDE 3.   <--- ???
[06:26] <lontra> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.3.php
[06:30] <Tm_T> As I said...
[06:30] <nixternal> you mean for Edgy correct? or is there a Feisty package now?
[06:31] <Tm_T> nixternal: Shouldn't matter.
[06:35] <lontra> Tm_T: so it'll break my kde 3?  i was just interested in testing it...i realize it's no where near usable
[06:37] <Tm_T> lontra: No, I repeat, it should _NOT_ ever do that.
[06:38] <Tm_T> lontra: Your KDE3 is safe.
[06:38] <Tm_T> Right?
[06:38] <lontra> ok...so it's safe to install the kde 4 packages :)
[06:39] <lontra> are the oxygen icons in the kde4 packages in feisty?
[06:46] <nixternal> lontra: not yet
[06:46] <nixternal> ^^ Oxygen Icons that is
[06:47] <nixternal> the KDE 4 snapshots are still to broken to do much with except for development/testing purposes
[06:47] <nixternal> now that the oxygen icons have been moved into kdelibs/kdebase (can't remember), they should be in future snapshots I am guessing
[06:47] <marseillai> oxygen and strigi
[06:48] <marseillai> and strigi breaks kdelibs
[06:48] <nixternal> yes, :) forgot about strigi, sorry
[06:49] <lontra> strigi is a replacement for beagle right?
[06:50] <marseillai> lontra: beagle is a gnome project
[06:50] <lontra> but kerry is uses beagle currently
[06:50] <marseillai> wich use C, mono and many memory
[06:51] <marseillai> strigi is totally diffrent and has been choose by kde to be the kde4 indexer
[06:51] <lontra> will kerry be the frontend for it?
[06:51] <marseillai> no many chance for that
[06:52] <marseillai> lontra: for the moment there is no front end and strigi works with a so different way from beagle so kerry can't be port so easily
[06:52] <lontra> ah
[06:53] <lontra> well i look forward to tinkering with the kde4 packages in feisty
[08:16] <mhb> evening
[08:17] <fdoving> evenin'
[08:22] <lontra> now just get those fuzzy fonts out of openoffice.org 2.2 :)
[08:40] <nixternal> Riddell: are you still on limited internet?
[08:40] <lontra> hrm...saving a file with konqueror tries to default to /root/ as a save location ...
[08:52] <nixternal> https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+bug/86837
[08:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86837 in kubuntu-docs "[Feisty]  Links incorrect on Konqi main page" [High,Confirmed]
[08:52] <nixternal> whoever works on kdebase, that bug needs to be fixed prior to release ^^
[09:21] <nixternal> Riddell: I am rebuilding the kubuntu-docs package for feisty to remove the "review" status from the headers so there won't be the silly DRAFT image across the docs, and I generated the pot files
[09:22] <nixternal> so when LP opens for translations we will be right on track
[09:28] <rbrunhuber> nixternal: Just found these two: There is no documentation available for /kubuntu/desktopguide/index.html.
[09:29] <rbrunhuber> nixternal:  There is no documentation available for /kubuntu/krelease-notes/index.html.
[09:31] <marseillai> i've many crashe with arts1-xine under feisty
[09:41] <nixternal> rbrunhuber: did you click on the links in Konqueror?
[09:41] <nixternal> there is already a bug to have those replaced
[09:42] <rbrunhuber> nixternal: Yes they are links in konqueror.
[09:42] <nixternal> ya, those need to be replaced yet. Those will have to wait for Riddell I believe since that is in kdebase
[09:42] <rbrunhuber> nixternal: Sorry did not search for the bug, because just triaging other bugs and launchpad is too slow
[10:02] <nixternal> Riddell: http://nixternal.com/pkg/kdocs-feisty/
[10:02] <nixternal> NOW the Kubuntu docs are ready for upload and translations
[10:06] <nixternal> \sh_away: you sexy beast :) nice blog post there ;p
[10:29] <mhb> nixternal: link? :o)
[10:36] <nixternal> planet.ubuntu.com
[10:38] <mhb> thank you


[03:39] <Unit193> menulibre 2.2.1-2 uploaded by Sandro Tosi (morph)
[10:52] <bluesabre> Shew, thought I'd forgotten to upload a release
[10:56] <Unit193> Not even anything interesting, turns out.


[04:49] <tsimonq2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 520 for the weeks of September 19 - October 2, 2017 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue520


[02:53] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[20:39] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue823 now available to our reading public: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-823/41646 :D


[08:48] <Steven_> hi everyone, I'm automating the ubuntu installation and using preseed/early_command to prompt the user for a password to decrypt some secrets stored on the install CD. When I do this with plymouth ask-question, it works, but with ask-for-password, nothing seems to happen. Any idea why this might be and/or how I can debug this?
[09:28] <Steven_> well, this is interesting. if I specify --debug, I actually get prompted for a password, but the prompt is "#NULL"
[09:29] <Steven_> this is on 19.04 by the way


[05:11] <Judge> Are there any programs out there that assist in maintaining log files on a server
[05:11] <Judge> I've been searching for one, but haven't had any luck.
[07:18] <foo> Anyone going to Linuxworld by any chance?
[07:31] <wintermu1e> I'm having issues getting a usb2 wireless card to work on feisty server, but works fine on feisty desktop
[07:31] <wintermu1e> the desktop is using the uhci usb2 driver, while the server is using ehci
[07:32] <wintermu1e> are there an known issues with this?
[07:51] <Burgundavia> wintermu1e: likely you need the restricted modules, which may not be instlaled by default
[07:57] <wintermu1e> Burgundavia: actually, the CVS rt73 (what the card uses) works fine on the desktop.  I believe this is actually a USB issue, since its not in /proc/bus/usb/devices
[07:57] <wintermu1e> I've compared the kernel configs of the two and they don't seem to be different wrt to usb though
[08:20] <wintermu1e> hmm, wtf, those weren't usb2.0 ports
[11:01] <ajmitch> hi stephanbuys
[11:01] <stephanbuys> ajmitch, good evening
[01:09] <stephanbuys> dendrobates, ping
[01:20] <dendrobates> stephanbuys:pong
[01:21] <stephanbuys> dendrobates, hi there
[01:21] <dendrobates> stephanbuys: hi
[01:21] <stephanbuys> dendrobates, I thought it might be easier to discuss all of the auth stuff in the channel?
[01:22] <dendrobates> stephanbuys: works for me.
[01:22] <stephanbuys> dendrobates, it seems that we have a lot of the same problems we are trying to solve
[01:23] <stephanbuys> dendrobates, this morning I discussed debconf and the configuration of the modules of interest with ajmitch
[01:23] <dendrobates> stephanbuys, almost certainly
[01:23] <dendrobates>
[01:23] <stephanbuys> it turns out his authtool already supports debconf (kerberos is configured through it)
[01:24] <stephanbuys> and I'm actively trying to solve things like AD authentication at the moment :-)
[01:24] <dendrobates> stephanbuys; I am looking at AD ad well.
[01:24] <stephanbuys> dendrobates, then we _have_ to talk :-)
[01:25] <dendrobates> stephanbuys: we are so behind other distros at this point, the task seems daunting.
[01:25] <stephanbuys> I would much rather use a _sane_ debconf backend for authtool and be sure the config files are not clobbered than use our current template file clobbers everything approach
[01:25] <stephanbuys> hehe
[01:26] <dendrobates> Yeah, it seemed like the best approach to me as well.
[01:26] <rbrunhuber> Hello, does anybody know if it is possible to install ubuntu on a ich7r fakeraid level 5 setup?
[01:26] <stephanbuys> dendrobates, although - looking at something like RedHat ES 5.0's authconfig, its not real rocket science
[01:27] <dendrobates> the first thing I want to fix are the horrible libpam-ldap and libnss-ldap.
[01:27] <stephanbuys> dendrobates, it does not seem to me that even RedHat uses something "intelligent" like debconf. they  basically just clobber the config files
[01:27] <stephanbuys> agreed.
[01:27] <stephanbuys> debconf for those packages dont even work
[01:27] <dendrobates> True, I think we can do better.
[01:27] <stephanbuys> check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnss-ldap/+bug/70146
[01:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 70146 in libnss-ldap "[SRU]  libnss-ldap for edgy-proposed: Problem with LDAPS" [High,Fix committed]
[01:28] <dendrobates> we have the openssl issue as well.
[01:28] <stephanbuys> ubotu, snap :-)
[01:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about snap :-) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:28] <stephanbuys> o - darn - a bot
[01:29] <rbrunhuber> dendrobates: More support with all those libpam* things would be greatly appreciated.
[01:29] <stephanbuys> dendrobates, if I can recommend anything I would ask you consult the templates in the latest version of authtool (link provided on your whiteboard) and check the templates
[01:29] <rbrunhuber> dendrobates: from my site I always fight with this.
[01:30] <stephanbuys> we found those libnss and libpam configs to be sane and to work out of the box
[01:31] <dendrobates> rbrunhuber: I worked as a ldap architect for years, so I know the padl tools well, I should be able to help.
[01:32] <dendrobates> stephanbuys, How do you handle the /etc/pam.d/* files?
[01:32] <rbrunhuber> dendrobates: after struggling a while it is happily running now.But I'll never touch it in years :-)
[01:32] <stephanbuys> dendrobates, good question. I was meant to ping soren about that
[01:33] <dendrobates> Is soren working on this?
[01:33] <stephanbuys> dendrobates, but I will happily support pam through that mechanism in authtool
[01:33] <stephanbuys> dendrobates, ajmitch suggested I consult with soren about it
[01:33] <stephanbuys> dendrobates, to give you an idea it seems that RHES just overwrites the pam config files with their authconfig tool
[01:33] <stephanbuys> (also written in python btw)
[01:34] <dendrobates> and gpl'd, so we  could use parts if we wanted.
[01:34] <stephanbuys> correct :-)
[01:34] <dendrobates> I was thing a separate app, that could be called by any package.
[01:35] <dendrobates> pam.d configs are too complicated for debconf, imho
[01:35] <stephanbuys> dendrobates, something like authtool ?
[01:35] <stephanbuys> authtool already has command-line and gtk interfaces
[01:36] <dendrobates> perhaps, but I was thinking lower level, sort of like what we do with inetd.
[01:38] <dendrobates> it could be a part of the authtool, but it seems like it should be able to be called separately
[01:38] <stephanbuys> dendrobates, enlighten me to the inetd mechanism please :-)
[01:40] <dendrobates> I think its inetd-confg.  It is used by packages that need to add lines to the inetd.conf, so they can't clobber the file.
[01:40] <stephanbuys> dendrobates, ah - ok
[01:41] <stephanbuys> I get the gist. Basically something like a configuration api
[01:41] <dendrobates> we should never let packages directly edit /etc/pam.d/*
[01:41] <dendrobates> yes.
[01:41] <stephanbuys> ok
[01:41] <dendrobates> But it is tricky.  There are hundreds of use cases.
[01:42] <dendrobates> I don't think it can be done before gutsy, but I may be wrong.
[01:42] <stephanbuys> hmm - is there a blueprint for this yet?
[01:43] <dendrobates> No, it's just an idea bouncing around in my head.
[01:44] <stephanbuys> dendrobates, ok - I'll make a blueprint for it - perhaps its something we can look at
[01:45] <dendrobates> I have a couple of very good programmers looking for something to do, may I can point them at this.
[01:46] <dendrobates> I have to step away for a little while. I'll be back in a few.
[01:47] <stephanbuys> dendrobates, ok - I have a question re password expiration
[01:47] <dendrobates> ask it before I go.
[01:48] <stephanbuys> dendrobates, I was wondering on how you plan to handle things like password complexity and password expiration
[01:48] <stephanbuys> complexity can be managed with pam
[01:48] <stephanbuys> (another feature for this tool)
[01:48] <stephanbuys> but password expiration seems to be something that is catered for in shadow only
[01:48] <dendrobates> but, a user could go around pam and set their password directly .
[01:49] <stephanbuys> ok, so that remains a problem
[01:49] <stephanbuys> as far as password expiration is concerned libnss should cater for shadow via ldap (although I have not tested it)
[01:49] <dendrobates> openldap, supports expiration, via the rfc. openldap supports comlpex passwords through overlays.
[01:50] <stephanbuys> which should (in theory) obsolete the need to libpam-ldap
[01:50] <stephanbuys> dendrobates, ah - ok
[01:50] <dendrobates> no we always need pam-ldap
[01:50] <stephanbuys> dendrobates, then it becomes a matter of catering for client support
[01:50] <dendrobates> we have another problem.
[01:50] <stephanbuys> the client (whether server or workstation) needs to notify the user of password expiration
[01:51] <dendrobates> nss-ldap and pam-ldap are linked to openldap2.1 from 2004.  the server is openldap 2.3.
[01:51] <stephanbuys> ugh
[01:51] <dendrobates> that means we do not have full functionality in our clients.
[01:52] <stephanbuys> thats a pretty big problem :-)
[01:52] <dendrobates> this is because of openssl.
[01:52] <dendrobates> in openldap 2.4, gnutls will be supported. but it is in alpha now.
[01:53] <stephanbuys> :-(
[01:53] <dendrobates> redhat and novell, are not of the same opinion as Debian and have no problem linking to an openldap that is linked to openssl.
[01:54] <dendrobates> so we have to do what we can and test to see just what is broken.
[01:55] <stephanbuys> dendrobates, ugh - so one step at a time I guess.
[01:56] <dendrobates> yep
[01:56] <stephanbuys> if nothing else I think we should cover some robust and sensible settings in the config of the tools through debconf
[01:56] <dendrobates-afk> true.
[01:57] <dendrobates-afk> be back after I get some breakfast.  Still a little jet lagged, so I woke up at 4:30, and went straight to work so as not to disturb the family.
[03:55] <ScottK> If there is anyone here who is familiar with mysql source at all, Bug 105225 is probably an easy bugfix.
[03:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 105225 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "'flush tables with read lock' causes mysql server to deadlock" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105225
[03:55] <ScottK> This is for a Dapper SRU.
[03:58] <nealmcb> reminder: server team meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in one hour....
[04:10] <nealmcb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[04:15] <stiV> hi everyone ... i have a problem with some packages and an automatic installation that is being initiated by a bash-script that is being called in /etc/rc.local. when i start the script "by hand" in a normale console (or via ssh), everything works fine. that packages are being installed, no questions are asked (i adapted the /var/cache/debconf/config.dat for that) and everything works fine. but when the script is being start
[04:16] <stiV> and postfix, postfix-policyd and clamav fail to install (--configure fails)
[04:16] <stiV> is there any way to "simulate" an in- and output device?
[04:16] <stiV> the script, that installs everything is being called from the script that is being started bei rc.local
[04:17] <stiV> . /root/postinstall-slave.sh > /root/install.log 2>&1
[04:18] <stiV> i already tried to set "DEBCONF_FRONTEND=noninteractive" and i also had to set "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive" because update-inetd uses that variable, but nothing helps
[04:18] <stiV> i'm out of ideas here ...
[04:19] <stiV> there are many other packages that are being installed, and they all work (i had to adapt some of them, like ssl-cert)
[04:35] <nealmcb> stiV: looks like the end of your first line was truncated
[04:36] <nealmcb> after "is being start"
[04:36] <stiV> i can see everything, but here is the rest: "(...) being started automatically, it has no input or output target"
[04:37] <stiV> thx
[04:40] <nealmcb> stiV: why are you installing things on every boot?  what commands are you using to do the installations?
[04:41] <nealmcb> and exactly what error messages are you getting?
[04:50] <miles> hello all
[04:50] <miles> i got a question about static ip's....
[04:50] <stiV> it's a onetime boot script for an automatic installation of many machines
[04:51] <miles> i edited /etc/network/interfaces and set my appropriate interface card to be static, however, it is still pulling dhcp
[04:51] <miles> is there something i am missing?
[04:52] <stiV> is it using dhcp even after you did /etc/init.d/networking restart ???
[04:53] <miles> yes, it was fine yesterday, i came in today, couldnt find the server, so i connected locally, and it was pulling dhcp
[04:53] <miles> we got a dhcp server on the network...some dummy set up the network that way here
[04:53] <miles> im trying to ssh into the server right now to double check that file
[04:54] <miles> yes this is my file right here
[04:55] <miles> auto eth0
[04:55] <miles> #iface eth0 inet dhcp
[04:55] <miles> iface eth0 inet static
[04:55] <miles> address <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:55] <miles> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:55] <miles> network <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:55] <miles> broadcast <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:55] <miles> gateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:55] <miles> sorry to flood
[04:55] <miles> i just commented out eth0 being dhcp, maybe i should just delete that line altogether?
[04:55] <dendrobates> Ubuntu Server team meeting in 5 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[04:56] <stiV> try to use only address netmask and gateway, everything else is clear from that parameters
[04:57] <miles> k, will try, thanks
[04:58] <miles> yea...the ip switched to the static one, but this happened yesterday as well...just wait and see i guess
[04:58] <lionel> miles: restarting networking does not stop dhcp client (yes, it could be a bug). reboot your server to get everything clear or kill it by hand
[05:03] <miles> rebooted, seems to be fine, thanks
[05:19] <nealmcb> miles: cool - and I'm glad to have learned something along the way :-) - thanks lionel
[05:20] <miles> loves linux <----
[05:20] <miles> esp. ubuntu
[05:59] <miles> d
[06:00] <miles> why did it say i left this server?
[06:02] <stiV> * [miles]  has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection)
[06:02] <miles> i didnt do that though...interesting
[06:08] <ZummiG777> Question: I have a couple of Dell PowerEdge 2400 systems with Perc 2/Si RAID controllers.  I read there that Perc 3 and below were no longer officially supported.  Is this true, and if so is there a method to enable the older drivers?
[06:08] <miles> I installed apache2 via apt-get, and im having trouble locating document root, does anyone know the default folder?
[06:09] <stiV> miles: /var/www
[06:09] <ZummiG777> miles: It is usually /var/www
[06:10] <miles> ahhh....yes, i was looking in /srv/www
[06:10] <miles> htanks
[06:10] <miles> thanks
[06:21] <miles> clea
[06:23] <soren> miles: Not you. [miles]
[06:24] <soren> miles: "[miles] " != "miles"
[06:26] <miles> o..my bad
[06:27] <miles> im in the process of setting up a lamp stack, got all the components, i have a test.php page, when i go to the url, my browser tries to download the file rather than interpret it
[06:27] <miles> im guessing i need to config php.ini and tell it where server root is?
[06:27] <mralphabet> is php installed?
[06:28] <miles> yes
[06:28] <mralphabet> then your http config probably doesn't know about it
[06:28] <miles> yea i was thinking that might be the second option
[06:28] <mralphabet> php doesn't care where your document root is
[06:31] <miles> see, now i am use to configuring apache via httpd.conf, but since switching to ubuntu-server, its kind of different to me
[06:32] <miles> i am supposed to modify apache2.conf, correct?
[06:32] <stiV> jep /etc/apache2/apache2.conf is the thing you seek ;)
[06:33] <miles> yea looking at it now...
[06:33] <miles> is the php "on/off" switch in that file or in mods-enabled folder?
[06:34] <mralphabet> go to /etc/apache2/
[06:34] <mralphabet> do "grep -R -i php *"
[06:34] <mralphabet> you should get stuff on the mods-enabled folder
[06:35] <mralphabet> if not, php is not installed right
[06:35] <mralphabet> if so, restart apache
[06:35] <mralphabet> and do your test again
[06:35] <miles> yea i got that stuff
[06:35] <miles> i also renamed test.php to index.php
[06:35] <miles> restarting apache...
[06:37] <miles> nope, going to index.php makes firefox open up a "save as" dialog for the file
[06:38] <miles> i DL'd the lampp stack via tasksel
[06:39] <miles> you know, im running subversion on the same apache server, is that a possible interference?
[07:05] <miles> is anyone here running a lamp server?
[07:05] <miles> that can assist me in configuring php5
[07:12] <stiV> !lamp
[07:12] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[07:13] <miles> im downloading xampp, taking a look at their config files and going from there, ill check out that link right now, thanks a lot
[07:15] <miles> ahhhhhh thanks a lot stiV, i used tasksel to get the stack, but i guess it doesnt get the libapache2-mod-php5 package for you
[07:15] <miles> everything works fine now
[07:15] <lousygarua> after installing mediawiki thru synaptic - how can i create antoher wiki on the same server?
[07:17] <lousygarua> i can d/l the medaiwiki tarball and start from there but if mediawiki updates it won't auto-update all of my wiki's from apt-get update
[08:57] <miles> can someone tell me how to enable samba-swat?
[09:35] <miles> !swat
[09:35] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[09:36] <miles> does anyone know how to enable swat?
[09:37] <Nafallo> I think you need to call FBI and tip them or something like that.
[09:38] <miles> srs?
[09:39] <Nafallo> never mind me :-)
[09:49] <lionel> miles: apt-get install swat ? :)
[09:49] <lionel> miles: it is not enabled after that?
[09:50] <miles> woops
[09:50] <miles> there
[09:50] <miles> yea swat is installed
[09:50] <miles> i dont know about enabled...it is in the inetd.conf
[09:50] <miles> file
[09:51] <lionel> miles: try to point your browser to http://server:901
[09:52] <miles> i switched my ports.conf to listen on port 901 for apache
[09:52] <miles> apache stuff shows up when i do that
[09:53] <miles> when i enable "Listen 901" in ports.conf (apache) i can at least run nmap on localhost and it says port 901 samba-swat is open
[09:53] <miles> that i my logic behind doing that
[09:53] <miles> otherwise, http://localhost:901 cant be reached
[09:53] <fernando> hi mathiaz. After fixing watch files, I need to upload to revu?
[09:53] <lionel> apache should not liste on port 901
[09:53] <miles> yea...
[09:55] <lionel> fernando: I think a debdiff attached on launchpad is the best place
[09:55] <miles> i have swat listed in /etc/services and /etc/inetd.conf
[09:55] <fernando> lionel, ok
[09:55] <lionel> did you try to kill -HUP inetd ?
[09:56] <miles> no, but i ahve rebooted the machine
[09:56] <miles> and still nothin
[09:56] <miles> everything online says make sure inetd.conf is set up
[09:56] <miles> which it is...i dont realy know what inetd.conf is, so im going to go read up on it
[09:56] <miles> !inetd
[09:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about inetd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:57] <miles> !inetd.conf
[09:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about inetd.conf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:57] <miles> sorry for the spam
[11:55] <fernando> 15:00 UTC is my lunch time  =(
[11:55] <ajmitch> it's 3AM for me


[07:56] <o0Chris0o> hey guys
[07:56] <o0Chris0o> and gals :)
[07:56] <troy_s> hello o
[07:56] <troy_s> o0Chris0o rather
[07:57] <o0Chris0o> I am wondering what artwork is needed at this time? I want to become a member, I am a graphic artist by trade
[07:57] <o0Chris0o> :)
[07:57] <troy_s> Great to have you around o0Chris0o, but the nature of the beast is such that there isn't really anything 'needed' per se.
[07:57] <troy_s> o0Chris0o: Do you have any samples of work or a portfolio?
[07:59] <o0Chris0o> actually no, sadly I lost most of it awhile back. I haven't been messing with graphics in awhile, but I took classes in school and  I taught myself some html as well when I was growing up
[08:00] <o0Chris0o> should I just make some logos up of each flavor of ubuntu and some wallpaper art of some sort
[08:00] <troy_s> Right... ok... well welcome around.
[08:00] <troy_s> I must get off to bed.
[08:01] <troy_s> A good starting point to understand the situation might be the mailing list archives or any of the other venues in our long and illustrious history.
[08:01] <troy_s> The wiki has some information but it wasn't horribly up to date as of my last examination.
[08:01] <o0Chris0o> and how can I find that :)
[08:02] <troy_s> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[08:02] <troy_s> The wiki root has most information I believe
[08:02] <troy_s> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork
[08:02] <troy_s> iirc.
[08:02] <troy_s> hope that helps.
[08:02] <o0Chris0o> thanks for you rhelp troy_s, have a good sleep :)
[08:02] <troy_s> if you have any questions please feel 100% free to contact me via email.
[08:02] <troy_s> Ciao for now.
[08:03] <o0Chris0o> :) Ciao, and will do
[08:15] <kwwii> morning
[08:15] <kwwii> hi troy_s
[08:17] <o0Chris0o> Morning kwwii, troy_s went beddy bye
[08:18] <o0Chris0o> <---new
[08:18] <o0Chris0o> :)
[08:23] <kwwii> hehe
[08:23] <kwwii> o0Chris0o: cool, thanks for coming by :-)
[08:24] <kwwii> there is a lot to do, it shouldn't be hard to find something
[08:24] <o0Chris0o> np, I'll be sticking here for awhile I'm sure.
[08:24] <o0Chris0o> Oh really?
[08:24] <o0Chris0o> can you point me in the right direction?
[08:24] <savvas> grrr
[08:24] <savvas> is anyone up for a test task?
[08:24] <o0Chris0o> what kind o.0
[08:25] <kwwii> well, as troy_s pointed out, checking the wiki for general info is the right place to start, but you might not find a specific task there
[08:25] <kwwii> currently we have a few people working on theme teams
[08:25] <o0Chris0o> oh I see
[08:25] <kwwii> which means that they are creating a theme based on their own vision
[08:25] <kwwii> in addition we also do the default artwork
[08:25] <savvas> www.filedropper.com - hit upload - do you see "red x" icons? if not, go check out the files do the files have a red x icon?
[08:25] <kwwii> but that is much more controversial while we cannot simply do whatever we'd like with it
[08:26] <o0Chris0o> ahh I see
[08:26] <kwwii> so we do icons, splash screens, login manager themes, and desktop wallpaper, mainly
[08:26] <o0Chris0o> sounds good kwwii
[08:27] <kwwii> currently I am working on some ideas for a wallpaper with an Ibex on it
[08:27] <o0Chris0o> savvas: I don't see red x
[08:27] <savvas> o0Chris0o: you use x86 ubuntu?
[08:27] <kwwii> I'll probably send an email to the mailing list in a bit saying that we are looking for ideas on how to include an Ibex in the wallpaper somehow
[08:27] <kwwii> savvas: do you mean in the browser window itself?
[08:28] <kwwii> or in the tab?
[08:28] <savvas> kwwii: yes hold a sec, let me find the screenshots
[08:28] <savvas> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14480177/now-files-only.png
[08:28] <o0Chris0o> savvas: yes I am
[08:28] <kwwii> savvas: hrm, that looks like a bug to me
[08:29] <savvas> hm.. so it's probably 64-bit based
[08:29] <savvas> it is, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/218635
[08:29] <kwwii> savvas: that does not look like that in my firefox with the hardy default theme
[08:29] <o0Chris0o> ahh 3.0
[08:29] <savvas> I just can't figure out why they marked invalid the packages i saw the problems in
[08:29] <o0Chris0o> thats still in beta isn't it?
[08:30] <kwwii> savvas: I think it is a problem with the icon theme not firefox
[08:30] <savvas> (npviewer.bin:24265): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/filesystems/libgio.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
[08:30] <kwwii> hrm, freaky
[08:30] <kwwii> then it is a 64 bit bug :p
[08:31] <savvas> :P
[08:31] <kwwii> killer, that effecting the icons
[08:31]  * kwwii runs to the gas station, bbiab
[08:33] <o0Chris0o> !ibex
[08:33] <savvas> ibex.. heh
[08:33] <o0Chris0o> ahh
[08:33] <savvas> the next name should be Mighty Mouflon :P
[08:34] <o0Chris0o> :)
[08:34] <o0Chris0o> how does ubuntu come up with these names?
[08:38] <savvas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames
[08:40] <o0Chris0o> course, should of wiki'd it :)
[08:43] <savvas> :)
[09:06] <kwwii> my guess is that the next one will be called the jerky jackass
[09:07] <kwwii> btw, if you have two computers you want to use at the same time I seriously suggest using synergy (mouse, keyboard and paste across different computers)
[09:08] <o0Chris0o> heh :) only one computer
[09:13] <kwwii> less to worry about ;-9
[09:18] <o0Chris0o> true
[09:18] <o0Chris0o> Hey kwwii, the artwork here is it just for "ubuntu" and not other flavors?
[09:18] <o0Chris0o> or is it for all
[09:20] <kwwii> o0Chris0o: it is for all flavors, but some of the others have people working on artwork as well
[09:20] <kwwii> but they would all love any help they can get
[09:21] <o0Chris0o> I see
[09:21] <kwwii> although the wiki page is mainly used for ubuntu somehow
[09:21] <kwwii> not sure why, really
[09:23] <o0Chris0o> yeah I know what you mean
[09:24] <kwwii> if you are interested in any of the other flavors I could also help you get in contact with the team leads, etc
[09:24] <kwwii> well, I guess only xubuntu and kubuntu really have their own artwork anyway
[09:24] <kwwii> not sure about any others
[09:25] <kwwii> but in the end, pretty much anything you can do would be appreciated
[09:25] <o0Chris0o> I see
[09:25] <o0Chris0o> yeah definately :)
[09:26] <o0Chris0o> Id like to work with Kubuntu mostly
[09:26] <o0Chris0o> but wallpapers and logos are pretty easy I can help out in all flavors
[09:27] <o0Chris0o> splash screens as well
[09:27] <o0Chris0o> not really into the icons :)
[09:33] <kwwii> cool, I am pretty invovled with the kubuntu stuff as well
[09:33] <kwwii> so I can help you get involved, if you need any help
[09:34] <o0Chris0o> yeah definately :) I'm new, so much help is appreciated :)
[09:34] <o0Chris0o> I signed up on the mailing list too btw
[09:36] <kwwii> excellent, that is a good way to start
[09:37] <kwwii> the mailing list and irc are the two most important forms of communication for us
[09:37] <o0Chris0o> alright, I am on IRC 24/7 if I'm not here, I'm usually idling
[09:37] <kwwii> if you have kubuntu specific questions ask me or perhaps on #kubuntu-devel
[09:37] <kwwii> cool :-)
[09:38] <o0Chris0o> alright not a prob
[09:42] <o0Chris0o> what progams do you use to for the creation of your artwork? and where do you get clip-art from usually?
[09:43] <kwwii> I use inkscape mainly
[09:43] <kwwii> gimp a bit as well
[09:43] <kwwii> and krita to draw bitmap with
[09:44] <o0Chris0o> heh weird how freenode has you set up the vhost or cloak, I didn't want my ip being displayed  much I thought you could change them to whateve you would like :) but I guess "unaffiliated/o0chris0o" is sticking :)
[09:44] <o0Chris0o> ahh alright, thanks I will check em out, I use gimp a bit too :)
[09:48] <kwwii> hehe, I still don't do cloaking...too much work
[09:48] <kwwii> have fun!
[09:49] <o0Chris0o> thanks :)
[11:34]  * kwwii is out for lunch
[12:46]  * _MMA_ smacks kwwii for the "I guess only xubuntu and kubuntu really have their own artwork" comment.
[17:09] <psyke83> hey
[17:42] <WarMX> hi there
[17:45] <_MMA_> hi
[17:45] <WarMX> wht's up
[18:53] <kwwii> re
[19:06] <savvas> ..habilitation :)
[19:17] <kwwii> no doubt
[20:20] <troy_s> kwwii: Where can I get the oxygen SVG sources, or better, a Gnome based namespace collection for them?
[20:24] <kwwii> troy_s: we don't have any official or unofficial gnome packages but I think you could find one on gnome-look.org
[20:24] <kwwii> the sources themselves are in kde svn
[20:26] <kwwii>  https://svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdebase/runtime/pics/oxygen
[20:27] <troy_s> kwwii: They are all SVG I am assuming?
[20:27] <kwwii> we have all sizes of png files and svgz's for everything (even the smaller sized png files)
[20:27] <kwwii> :-)
[20:28] <kwwii> in some cases we have a 16x16 svg, a 22x22 svg, a 32x32 svg and a big svg
[20:28] <kwwii> and the corresponding png files
[20:28] <kwwii> oh, and you'll find scripts to render all of it there too
[20:29] <troy_s> kwwii: Awsome.  I'm only really interested in the SVGs and the pre-renders I suppose.
[20:29] <kwwii> yeah, I assumed that too
[20:29] <kwwii> it is nice to have *all* the sources I think
[20:30] <kwwii> also, there is another module with icons which were earlier versions or unused
[20:30] <kwwii><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:31] <kwwii> now that I think about it I guess it would be easier to get them in a kubuntu source package
[20:31] <kwwii> not sure the name of that though
[20:31] <kwwii> we only work on them directly in kde svn
[20:41] <troy_s> kwwii: Hrm.  It would be worth packaging them up in an Ubuntu repository no?
[20:42] <troy_s> kwwii: With metapacks maybe so that you have ONE 'real' repository for the actual binary blobs and one each for k / g naming convention links etc.
[20:42] <kwwii> troy_s: yeah, that is something that would be worth looking into
[20:42] <kwwii> also perhaps providing the necessary symlinks to make them work well with gnome
[20:42] <kwwii> oxygen is pretty complete in the meantime so I think we could cover most icons needed
[20:43] <troy_s> kwwii: That's what I mean.
[20:44] <troy_s> kwwii: That is really a legwork thing.  IF we setup an index.theme file for it and some dirs, we should be able to get oxygen into gnome easily... the main thing is keeping sync.
[20:44] <troy_s> kwwii: I know there is some bzr-fu or launchpad-fu for syncing with SVN... let me ask...
[20:46] <kwwii> I am updating my bzr branch now (slow connection tonight), I think that they are currently in kubuntu-default-settings, let me check
[20:47] <kwwii> wow, it seems that they are directly in the kde runtime package
[20:47] <kwwii> freaky
[20:47] <kwwii> that puts the entire set in kdebase
[20:55] <troy_s> kwwii: Yeah its like a 40 meg download (when I put the ppa on for kde 4)
[20:58] <troy_s> kwwii: <rexbron> A VCS guy/LP admin has to manually test and then approve the import
[20:59] <troy_s> kwwii: IF you can find someone to do that, we could probably work on getting the naming conventions in place.
[21:00] <kwwii> troy_s: I guess I should start off by talking to the kubuntu peeps, they might be interested in seperating out the icon theme
[21:00] <troy_s> kwwii: Well yes... it would lessen their needs then I suppose.
[21:01] <troy_s> kwwii: What would be nice is to get Oxygen in such a state that adding it is as easy as adding Tango or whatever.
[21:01] <troy_s> kwwii: And that would mean getting it such that the base package is avoiding duplicates for both DEs.
[21:01] <kwwii> troy_s: to be honest, in the past we have tried to keep oxygen out of other desktops (including kde3)
[21:01] <kwwii> but I think that now that kde4 is out and about it might be time to start thinking about that
[21:03] <troy_s> kwwii: Ugh.
[21:03] <troy_s> kwwii: Unfortunate.
[21:03] <troy_s> kwwii: As that gets back into political stuffs that I really don't want to have any part of.  Can you manage it?
[21:03] <troy_s> kwwii:  (As in getting the official blessing so that a repository doesn't get some strange firestorm of blah)
[21:03] <_MMA_> troy_s: I told you already there would be this. ;)
[21:05] <kwwii> troy_s: well, it is not really political, more a marketing decision than anything else
[21:06] <kwwii> we made oxygen for kde4, it had to stand out as something new for the new release
[21:06] <kwwii> but now that cat is out of the bag so I imagine that we can take care of this somehow
[21:07] <_MMA_> But PR handling is only for an "official" effort. If it's something you do for your own needs, rock on. \m/
[21:09] <troy_s> _MMA_: True, but god knows what happened the last time I saw someone package Oxygen for GNOME.
[21:09] <troy_s> _MMA_: Which is odd considering the license... but c'est la vie.
[21:10] <_MMA_> There's like 3 of 'em on GNOME-look. Cant really stop that.
[21:11] <kwwii> actually, in the past I simply asked Frank (my friend who runs the *-look sites) to take them down
[21:11] <kwwii> but now I see no reason to
[21:12] <kwwii> and nobody else on the oxygen team has complained
[21:12] <kwwii> whereas in the past we had two very loud artists getting upset :-)
[21:13] <kwwii> actually, I see it as very positive that people want to use it on other desktops :-)
[21:13] <_MMA_> kwwii: Before release, yeah. I could see why.
[21:13] <kwwii> well, we spent more than two years working on it
[21:13] <kwwii> and only put it in an open svn a year or so ago
[21:13] <_MMA_> kwwii: Yes. "We" do. But you know how vocal the zealots get. :)
[21:13] <kwwii> and immediatly people started making kde3 versions and gnome versions
[21:14] <kwwii> actually, the kde3 versions were the only ones that pissed me off
[21:14] <kwwii> I mean, if the kde community cannot control itself for it's own benefit then who can?
[21:14]  * _MMA_ shrugs.
[21:17] <troy_s> kwwii: But that is the nature of the license I suppose.
[21:18] <troy_s> kwwii: The only option is to pick a more limited license until xxx date then shift it (which you can obviously do being the sole copyright holder -- although I have no idea how complicated that gets when the copyright holder is the 'Oxygen team' or whatever)
[21:21] <kwwii> troy_s: right, at first when it was only on our ftp server we had no license, which is really the most restrictive
[21:21] <kwwii> after that we put it out as CCbySA
[21:22] <kwwii> and then we moved to gpl3 to be compliant with all upstreams and kde4 itself
[21:22] <kwwii> wow...did you guys read the email from MS to the blender people? kinda funny
[21:24] <kwwii> lol, sometimes I think that the biggest thing Cimi has going against him is his ego
[21:25] <kwwii> maybe if I was that good I would be the same way ;-)
[21:41] <_MMA_> kwwii: Yeah. I saw it. Asstastic.
[21:42] <_MMA_> kwwii: I and others in Ubuntu have a good dialog with those guys. They use Ubuntu. ;)
[21:47] <kwwii> hehe
[21:51] <kwwii> anyone know a command line tool to convert color values?
[21:58] <kwwii> looking at turning the hex values of the palette into a gimp palette so we can test it and tweak it
[22:01] <_MMA_> kwwii: Agave can build a palette for GIMP.
[22:02] <_MMA_> Fire it up. Add colors to the "favorites" side-panel then you can export it.
[22:21] <kwwii> _MMA_: yeah, but I only want the ones that i define
[22:21] <kwwii> and I do not want to type it all in :-)
[22:21] <kwwii> I guess I could do it with hexdump somehow
[22:22] <kwwii> actually, that and a simple bash script shouldn't be too much
[22:22] <kwwii> probably take longer than just typing it all in but much more satisfying :P
[22:40] <nox-Hand> http://nox-hand.com/docs/images/Poster_final_danish_small.jpg <-- Final poster design for post to Ubuntu Artwork
[22:40] <nox-Hand> Will have translation to English in a few days, so it can be uploaded.
[22:44] <_MMA_> kwwii: Make 1 with Agave to see the formatting.