[14:58] <varghese> Hi!
[14:58] <varghese> If you don't mind, is anyone here?
[15:02] <Maik> !ask | varghese
[15:02] <Maik> !discuss
[15:04] <varghese> Oh, this is a support channel?
[15:04] <Maik> varghese: as the channel topic says so
[15:04] <varghese> I thought I would just come here to talk about Ubuntu, I see :|
[15:05] <varghese> Alright, i'll be joining #ubuntu-disscuss
[15:05] <Maik> as said, join discuss and for other chit-chat -offtopic
[15:05] <Maik> yep
[15:05] <varghese> yeah thanks!!
[15:06] <Maik> yw
[15:06] <varghese> #ubuntu-offtopic doesnt exist?
[15:07] <varghese> Oh, I have to be registered, I see :|
[15:08] <Maik> yep, for most channels you have to be registered
[15:08] <Maik> it's to prevent spam
[15:13] <varghese> Oh, I see :(
[15:31] <xubuntu_newbie> hello
[15:32] <xubuntu_newbie> i just installed Xubuntu and i get this error "System program problem detected"
[15:33] <xubuntu_newbie> its the first thing that pops up after i boot, login and enter the OS
[15:34] <xubuntu_newbie> yesterday everything was fine, today i get this error but i didnt do anything
[15:37] <diogenes_> xubuntu_newbie, did you fully update the system?
[15:37] <Maik> xubuntu_newbie: just turn off apport
[15:38] <Maik> https://askubuntu.com/questions/93457/how-do-i-enable-or-disable-apport
[15:38] <xubuntu_newbie> its a clean installation from the latest releases
[15:38] <Maik> that will solve the issue of the annoying pop up
[15:38] <xubuntu_newbie> what is apport?
[15:39] <Maik> !apport
[15:39] <xubuntu_newbie> thanks
[15:39] <Maik> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport
[15:39] <Maik> xubuntu_newbie: ^
[15:40] <diogenes_> xubuntu_newbie, first thing after installing the system, run: sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[15:40] <xubuntu_newbie> i dont have internet connection in xubuntu
[15:41] <xubuntu_newbie> it cant connect to any wifi
[15:41] <diogenes_> why?
[15:41] <xubuntu_newbie> it detects the wi-fis
[15:41] <xubuntu_newbie> but cant connect to any
[15:41] <xubuntu_newbie> i restarted the network.service
[15:41] <diogenes_> you need to reboot the router.
[15:41] <xubuntu_newbie> i rebooted the router too
[15:42] <xubuntu_newbie> no one else is connecting to the router
[15:42] <xubuntu_newbie> i turned off the wireless drivers and turn them back on
[15:42] <xubuntu_newbie> and nothing worked
[15:42] <Maik> first solve one issue then the other
[15:42] <xubuntu_newbie> im thinking about a repair install or something to that effect
[15:42] <xubuntu_newbie> ok
[15:43] <xubuntu_newbie> can i use the sudo update thing?
[15:43] <diogenes_> try live session from usb drive.
[15:44] <xubuntu_newbie> how do i do that
[15:46] <diogenes_> use the same usb drive or DVD that you used for installation but instead of installin, click on Try.
[15:46] <xubuntu_newbie> is there anyway to like do a "repair install"
[15:46] <xubuntu_newbie> ok
[15:46] <xubuntu_newbie> i will try to do that
[15:51] <xubuntu_newbie> what can i determine from a usb live session
[15:52] <xubuntu_newbie> where does xubuntu keep the .iso file which you used for the installation?
[15:52] <diogenes_> see if you can connect to wifi from live
[15:53] <xubuntu_newbie> hmm, i see
[15:54] <xubuntu_newbie> does xubuntu keep the iso file you used for the installation in the hard-drive?
[15:55] <diogenes_> no
[15:58] <xubuntu_newbie> so im now downloading the iso file from xubuntu site
[16:00] <xubuntu_newbie> is there anyway to like repair install xubuntu
[16:02] <diogenes_> you can try to repair only what's broken.
[16:04] <Maik> xubuntu_newbie: repair doesn't exist, re-install is the only option
[16:05] <Maik> linux isn't windows
[16:05] <xubuntu_newbie> i see
[16:10] <Maik> xubuntu_newbie: you can however make a snapshot of your install with Timeshift but as a newb i'd first learn the basics of a linux OS.
[16:11] <xubuntu_newbie> yeah, its my first time with linux
[16:11] <xubuntu_newbie> ok ive put the iso in a usb file
[16:23] <xubuntu_newbie> how can i "try" using the usb drive with the iso installation file
[16:24] <diogenes_> just boot the usb normally
[16:26] <xubuntu_newbie> i dont think it regonizes it as a bootable usb
[16:26] <xubuntu_newbie> because i went to the bios and set boot to usb drive
[16:26] <xubuntu_newbie> and it didnt work
[16:32] <aldcor> hi! I can't update. Here are details https://www.reddit.com/r/xubuntu/comments/kt5vaz/cant_update/?
[16:32] <diogenes_> did you write it from windows?
[16:32] <diogenes_> xubuntu_newbie, ^^^
[16:37] <xubuntu_newbie> what do you mean "write it from windows"? Ive downloaded the iso from xubuntu site, and put it on a usb, the usb has other files, i downloaded the iso with windows, im using windows right now in other machine diogenes_ogenes_
[16:37] <xubuntu_newbie> diogenes_
[16:38] <diogenes_> xubuntu_newbie, how you put it to usb? with what app? rufus?
[16:41] <xubuntu_newbie> diogenes_, just copy-paste
[16:42] <xubuntu_newbie> it connected now to a wi-fi, but its extremely slow
[16:42] <xubuntu_newbie> if i reboot xubuntu and try to reconnect again it probably doesnt work again
[16:43] <diogenes_> maybe you running out of battery?
[16:43] <xubuntu_newbie> and the connection is really slow although the speed it says 150 Mb/s
[16:44] <xubuntu_newbie> no, its not a laptop
[16:44] <xubuntu_newbie> its a mini-pc, gemini x55
[16:45] <diogenes_> maybe signal is weak.
[16:46] <xubuntu_newbie> the router is less than 5 meters away
[16:46] <diogenes_> then i sustect driver issue.
[16:46] <Maik> copy/paste doesn't write the iso to usb stick to use as live session
[16:48] <Maik> xubuntu_newbie: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#1-overview
[16:48] <xubuntu_newbie> thanks
[16:49] <Maik> who installed your current xubuntu on the pc?
[16:50] <xubuntu_newbie> it was not me
[16:50] <xubuntu_newbie> but it was working correctly
[16:50] <xubuntu_newbie> then suddenly it started to not be able to connect to wifis
[16:51] <Maik> which kernel is it using?
[16:51] <xubuntu_newbie> then it started to show this warning message after entering the OS desktop  "System program problem detected"
[16:52] <Maik> open the terminal and type uname -r
[16:53] <Maik> that will show you which kernel you are running
[16:53] <xubuntu_newbie> 5.4.0-58-generic
[16:54] <Maik> xubuntu 20.04.1?
[16:54] <xubuntu_newbie> how can i know the exact version
[16:54] <xubuntu_newbie> whats the command
[16:55] <Maik> lsb_release -a
[16:55] <Maik> xubuntu_newbie: it doesn't hurt to google yourself a bit
[16:56] <Maik> that kernel should be 5.4.0-60 by now by the way
[16:57] <xubuntu_newbie> <IP_ADDRESS> LTS
[16:57] <Maik> ok
[16:58] <Maik> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[16:58] <xubuntu_newbie> all in the same line?
[16:58] <Maik> yep
[16:58] <xubuntu_newbie> yes i know i could search for some of this basic commands
[16:58] <xubuntu_newbie> but i dont know if it works on ubuntu also works on xubuntu
[16:59] <Maik> do so, that way you learn something ;)
[16:59] <xubuntu_newbie> alright
[16:59] <Maik> xubuntu = ubuntu
[16:59] <Maik> with the Xfce desktop
[16:59] <Maik> hence the x
[17:01] <Maik> xubuntu_newbie: all flavors of ubuntu use ubuntu as their base, just another desktop environment
[17:02] <xubuntu_newbie> its now update upgrading stuff
[17:02] <xubuntu_newbie> very slowly
[17:02] <Maik> just let it do it's thing
[17:02] <xubuntu_newbie> but xubuntu is faster right? Maik
[17:02] <xubuntu_newbie> with less bloatware and such
[17:03] <Maik> as DE, it can be faster. I found MATE as fast
[17:03] <Maik> there's no bloatware on buntu imo
[17:03] <Maik> it's not windows
[17:04] <xubuntu_newbie> cool
[17:05] <xubuntu_newbie> not being windows is very important
[17:06] <xubuntu_newbie> im done with windows, so i just switched to xubuntu now
[17:09] <xubuntu_newbie> internet is too slow to update and upgrade the kernel
[17:09] <xubuntu_newbie> some packages it fails to connect
[17:24] <xubuntu_newbie> why is my internet so slow
[17:35] <xubuntu_newbie> im creating a bootable usb with xubuntu 20 using rufus
[17:43] <xubuntu_newbie> i dont want to give up on xubuntu
[17:46] <xubuntu_newbie> by the way xubuntu says amd64 but the processor of my machine is a intel
[17:48] <Maik> don't mind that
[17:48] <xubuntu_newbie> ok
[17:48] <Maik> you have the right image
[17:52] <xubuntu_newbie> if the usb boot works and everything is fine does it mean i have to reinstall xubuntu?
[17:53] <xubuntu_newbie> i didnt do anything for it to stop working and give all these errors
[17:53] <xubuntu_newbie> didnt install anything
[17:59] <coconut> xubuntu_newbie, you can use gnome-disks to put the xubuntu iso on your usb
[18:04] <xubuntu_newbie> ive booted with usb xubuntu
[18:05] <xubuntu_newbie> and it does not give me the error after desktop init
[18:05] <xubuntu_newbie> "System program problem detected"
[18:06] <xubuntu_newbie> that one, it doesnt give me anymore
[18:06] <xubuntu_newbie> but wifi is still slow the ones it can connect
[18:09] <xubuntu_newbie> its so slow, its not even functional at all
[18:12] <diogenes_> xubuntu_newbie, let's try to change the DNS.
[18:15] <xubuntu_newbie> ok
[18:22] <diogenes_> run in terminal: nm-connection-editor
[18:23] <xubuntu_newbie> yes i can edit the wifi and non-wifi networks he scans and finds
[18:24] <diogenes_> did you type that command in terminal?
[18:25] <xubuntu_newbie> yes
[18:25] <xubuntu_newbie> it open the edit connection window
[18:26] <diogenes_> doule click on your wifi ssid name
[18:26] <xubuntu_newbie> ok done
[18:26] <diogenes_> IPv4 Settings
[18:27] <xubuntu_newbie> ok
[18:27] <xubuntu_newbie> done
[18:27] <diogenes_> change Method to: Automatic, addresses only
[18:27] <diogenes_> then
[18:28] <diogenes_> in DNS servers type: <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:28] <xubuntu_newbie> ok
[18:28] <xubuntu_newbie> ok
[18:28] <diogenes_> click save
[18:29] <diogenes_> then in terminal run:
[18:29] <diogenes_> sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager
[18:30] <xubuntu_newbie> ok
[18:31] <diogenes_> see the network info from network icon
[18:31] <diogenes_> make sure DNS is <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:34] <xubuntu_newbie> ive double checked its <IP_ADDRESS> primary and <IP_ADDRESS> secondary
[18:34] <xubuntu_newbie> i restarted the network service
[18:34] <xubuntu_newbie> and connected to wifi
[18:34] <xubuntu_newbie> it connects to the wifi but i cant connect to any sites
[18:35] <diogenes_> in terminal type:
[18:35] <diogenes_> ping google.com
[18:35] <xubuntu_newbie> ok
[18:35] <diogenes_> is it going fast or slow?
[18:37] <xubuntu_newbie> its pinging
[18:37] <xubuntu_newbie> 12000 ms
[18:37] <xubuntu_newbie> 9000 ms
[18:37] <xubuntu_newbie> do i stop the ping command
[18:38] <diogenes_> yep ctrl+c
[18:38] <diogenes_> ping is insane
[18:38] <xubuntu_newbie> 29000 ms
[18:39] <xubuntu_newbie> 33% packed loss
[18:39] <diogenes_> and it should be around 30ms
[18:40] <xubuntu_newbie> maybe i should connect the internet directly from the cable
[18:40] <diogenes_> try yep
[18:48] <xubuntu_newbie> works perfectly
[18:49] <xubuntu_newbie> super fast internet
[18:51] <diogenes_> then it's the wifi driver or device or router.
[18:56] <coconut> xubuntu_newbie, did you try to reboot or reset your network devices?
[18:56] <xubuntu_newbie> i shutdown the machine
[18:57] <xubuntu_newbie> plug in the internet cable
[18:57] <xubuntu_newbie> turn on the machine
[18:57] <xubuntu_newbie> gave that error
[18:57] <xubuntu_newbie> and internet was super fast, didnt change anything
[18:57] <xubuntu_newbie> i connected to the internet via the cable
[18:58] <xubuntu_newbie> i reboot the network devices before yes
[19:02] <xubuntu_newbie> it does not connect to all wifis but it detects them all, the ones it connects, the internet is so slow its not functional
[19:03] <xubuntu_newbie> maybe i should try to update the kernel with direct cable internet connection
[19:04] <diogenes_> good idea.
[19:05] <coconut> tried another pc? or tried to update the bios/uefi of your pc?
[19:10] <xubuntu_newbie> other computers at home can connect to the wifi and access the internet
[19:10] <xubuntu_newbie> but none of them are connected now
[19:10] <xubuntu_newbie> to not interfere with the connections
[19:12] <coconut> if it's only one pc which fails, then try and check for an update for the uefi.
[19:15] <xubuntu_newbie> is that done with a command?
[19:16] <xubuntu_newbie> even with the kernel update it still gives me the same pop up error at the beginning
[19:16] <xubuntu_newbie> and the internet is still slow
[19:17] <xubuntu_newbie> wireless is too slow or downright not functional
[19:17] <coconut> no you have to find that on the website of the manufacturer
[19:23] <xubuntu_newbie> no update to the uefi
[19:26] <coconut> yeah then i have no clue... hope some else can help though. :)
[19:29] <xubuntu_newbie> thanks anyway
[19:31] <xubuntu_newbie> well i guess i will reinstall xubuntu
[19:32] <coconut> happy experimenting xubuntu_newbie!
[19:42] <xubuntu_newbie> thanks
[20:27] <xubuntu_newbie> ok i found the problem
[20:27] <xubuntu_newbie> this machine has a slot for a second HDD
[20:27] <xubuntu_newbie> when i put the second HDD internet goes down
[20:27] <xubuntu_newbie> when i remove it, the internet works as fast as direct cable
[20:28] <xubuntu_newbie> how can I not load the second hdd
[20:41] <xubuntu_newbie> echo 1 > /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete ?


[02:52] <caodepalha> hi everyone1 i have a question here (silly) i have ubuntustudio 12.04. should i upgrade my distro?
[02:58] <XRS1> i dont know. should you? (if your asking then you probably dont need to)
[03:02] <caodepalha> whats the advantage?
[03:13] <XRS1> newer apps in the repos
[03:14] <XRS1> same stuff, just newer versions
[03:14] <XRS1> personally i think your best off sticking with 12.04 for now
[03:15] <XRS1> 13.10 is soon to be released (October)
[03:15] <belalobo> hi everyone1 i have a question here (silly) i have ubuntustudio 12.04. should i upgrade my distro?
[03:15] <belalobo> whats the advantage?
[03:15] <XRS1> might give 13.10 a whack if you do music production
[03:16] <belalobo> sorry did not understood
[03:16] <belalobo> i do music production yes
[03:16] <XRS1> that was for some one else
[03:16] <belalobo> oh ok
[03:16] <XRS1> who was asking the exact same question
[03:16] <belalobo> whats the advantage in upgrading?
[03:16] <XRS1> 12.04 is stable. no reason to upgrade.
[03:17] <XRS1> newer apps in the repos, better Jack support
[03:17] <belalobo> i have 12.04
[03:17] <XRS1> 13.10 is due out in October
[03:17] <belalobo> i just dont understand why shouldnt i have the lattest
[03:17] <XRS1> you dont need the latest
[03:17] <belalobo> ok
[03:18] <XRS1> unless there is something wrong and you want to try a new version to see if it resolves the issue
[03:18] <XRS1> if it aint broke, dont fix it
[03:19] <belalobo> ok thanks
[17:37] <wachin> UbuntuStudio 12.04.3 Hi to all, have a need, I installed a cursor icon on .icons but not appear permanently the change
[17:38] <wachin> I search on Google somes solutions but not working
[23:40] <Arnster> hi ubustuds
[23:40] <Arnster> looking for help with this error:
[23:40] <Arnster> ./lgpt.deb-exe: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[23:41] <Arnster> libSDL-1.2.so.0 doesn't show up in package manager or via apt, anyone have suggestions or direction for me?


[00:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2237 Failed to build
[01:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Preparing packages
[01:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Failed to build (xenial/telephony-service, zesty/telephony-service). Successfully built (vivid/dialer-app, vivid/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, vivid/history-service, vivid/messaging-app, vivid/nuntium, vivid/telepathy-ofono, vivid/telepathy-qt, vivid/telephony-service, xenial/dialer-app, xenial/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, xenial/history-service, xenial/messaging-ap
[01:44] <boiko> trainguards: can someone please trigger a rebuild of telephony-service/amd64/zesty and telephony-service/i386/xenial on silo 1319?
[02:01] <robru> boiko: done
[02:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Currently building (zesty/telephony-service). Failed to build (xenial/telephony-service). Successfully built (vivid/dialer-app, vivid/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, vivid/history-service, vivid/messaging-app, vivid/nuntium, vivid/telepathy-ofono, vivid/telepathy-qt, vivid/telephony-service, xenial/dialer-app, xenial/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, xenial/history-service
[02:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Pending binary packages (xenial/telephony-service, zesty/telephony-service). Successfully built (vivid/dialer-app, vivid/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, vivid/history-service, vivid/messaging-app, vivid/nuntium, vivid/telepathy-ofono, vivid/telepathy-qt, vivid/telephony-service, xenial/dialer-app, xenial/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas, xenial/history-service, xenial/mess
[02:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh boiko rmescandon bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1319 Successfully built
[04:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bschaefer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2209 Bad merges (zesty/miral). Failed to build (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, zesty/qtmir-gles). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/mir, zesty/qtmir). Successfully built (xenial/mir, xenial/miral, xenial/unity-system-compositor, zesty/unity-system-compositor)
[05:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bschaefer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2180 QA Signoff:
[05:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bschaefer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2180 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/mir). Successfully built (xenial/mir, xenial/miral, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity-system-compositor, zesty/miral, zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/unity-system-compositor)
[09:16] <Saviq> vigo, morning, by "xenial+overlay" you mean a desktop install? I've it running fine on a frieza_arm64, let me try from scratch
[09:16] <vigo> Saviq, morning! =)
[09:16] <vigo> I have no problem installing it in frieza_arm64
[09:18] <vigo> it boots properly and nothing seems broken
[09:18] <vigo> but on desktop with xenial+overlay I just get  black screen and erros in unity8-log
[09:18] <Saviq> oh
[09:19] <vigo> Saviq, I culd try another fresh install but I just tried to install the silo and purge it, and every time I install and reboot I get that :\
[09:19] <Saviq> vigo, yeah it sounds like we've a missing dep, will dig
[09:20] <Saviq> vigo, oh hmm, do you have qml-module-qtqml-statemachine installed?
[09:21] <vigo> Saviq,nop
[09:21] <vigo> Instaled: (none)
[09:22] <vigo> so that's what's missing?
[09:23] <vigo> Saviq, ^ should I have it installed?
[09:23] <Saviq> vigo, new dependency inserted into Build-Depends only, can you please install and continue testing and we'll fix that in the mean time
[09:25] <Saviq> this is the offending MP https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/unity8/launcher-tooltips/+merge/308903
[09:30] <vigo> Saviq, I installe it and unity8 started :)
[09:30] <vigo> installed*
[09:30] <vigo> I'll keep testing ;)
[09:30] <Saviq> yup, sorry about that
[09:30] <vigo> Saviq, no worries :)
[09:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Cimi Saviq, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2202 Preparing packages
[09:54] <vigo> Saviq, how long it will take?
[10:03] <Saviq> vigo, should be a few more minutes to build, then I'll put it back to Lander: Approved so britney takes it on, it's probably ~2h from then to go into QA: Ready
[10:04] <Saviq> but you shouldn't need to wait for that, you can see in the package diff https://launchpadlibrarian.net/295375615/unity8_8.15+17.04.20161125-0ubuntu1_8.15+17.04.20161129-0ubuntu1.diff.gz that the only real change is the Depends: addition
[10:09] <vigo> Saviq, I'll test another  silo(a fast one) we've got ready for QA and then I'll take it again
[10:11] <Saviq> kk
[10:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2150 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/unity-api, vivid/unity8, xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8, zesty/unity-api)
[10:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Cimi Saviq, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2202 Successfully built
[11:03] <Saviq> vigo, FYI, 2202 is Lander: Approved again
[11:06] <vigo> Saviq, great! thank you I'll be with it in a bit :)
[11:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2194 Preparing packages
[11:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy dbarth, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2222 QA Signoff: Approved
[11:42] <mardy> sil2100: could you please publish this? ^
[11:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2194 Successfully built
[12:03] <sil2100> mardy: on it
[12:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy dbarth, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2222 Publishing packages
[12:08] <mardy> sil2100: thanks!
[12:18] <vigo> Saviq, ping
[12:18] <Saviq> vigo, hey
[12:19] <vigo> Saviq, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23531935/ this doesn't work for me :\ I'm hitting an error
[12:19] <Saviq> lemme try again
[12:20] <Saviq> vigo, so, do you see results in the tool?
[12:21] <Saviq> what kind of error do you hit?
[12:23] <vigo> Saviq, https://pastebin.canonical.com/172172/ this is what I get when running  unity-scope-tool
[12:23] <Saviq> vigo, oh, you're doing that on unity8?
[12:23] <Saviq> vigo, should work with --desktop_file_hint=unity8
[12:24] <Saviq> or a unity7 session is enough
[12:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy dbarth, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2222 Proposed pocket (zesty/online-accounts-api). Release pocket (xenial/online-accounts-api)
[12:25] <vigo> Saviq, ack
[12:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2238 Preparing packages
[12:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2224 Preparing packages
[13:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2238 Successfully built
[13:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2224 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/indicator-network). Successfully built (xenial/gmenuharness, xenial/indicator-network, xenial/libqtdbusmock, xenial/ubuntu-settings-components, xenial/unity8, zesty/gmenuharness, zesty/libqtdbusmock, zesty/ubuntu-settings-components, zesty/unity8)
[13:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2224 Preparing packages
[13:43] <Saviq> sil2100, can you please recycle https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_39a8dbb93caf4ec889f8a1b7f69885db/bileto-2202-excuses/2016-11-29_13:00:02/2202_vivid_excuses.html and https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_39a8dbb93caf4ec889f8a1b7f69885db/bileto-2202-excuses/2016-11-29_13:00:02/2202_xenial_excuses.html for us - we're working on getting stable(r) tests again, but it will take a moment
[13:45] <sil2100> ACK
[13:45] <sil2100> On it
[13:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2224 Successfully built
[14:16] <xnox_foo> trainguards, test
[14:17] <xnox_foo> trainguards, test
[14:17] <xnox> done
[14:19] <xnox> i can help with things, if people need me. I'm not very advanced bileto driver, but should be able to sort out most things.
[14:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/url-dispatcher, zesty/indicator-keyboard, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer, zesty/media-hub, zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-service, xenial/history-service, xenial/indicator-application, xenial/indicator-
[14:19] <xnox> if there is stuff i don't know how to do, i'll ping other guards.
[14:21] <sil2100> \o/
[14:21] <sil2100> xnox: thanks!
[14:22] <sil2100> xnox: remember - you don't have to actively do anything when me or Mirv are around, but it's always good to have some reliable backup
[14:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2226 Preparing packages
[14:47] <Saviq> sil2100, sorry for bugging, did you trigger the two reds? I can only see one of them in http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running#pkg-unity8
[14:47] <sil2100> Oh man, possibly the second didn't happen
[14:47] <sil2100> Ok let me re-try
[14:47] <Saviq> thanks
[14:48] <sil2100> Saviq: ok, I think this time all went well
[14:48] <Saviq> ack
[14:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2237 Preparing packages
[15:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2226 Pending binary packages
[15:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2237 Failed to build
[15:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2226 Successfully built
[15:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2238 Preparing packages
[15:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Cimi Saviq, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2202 QA Signoff: Approved
[15:51] <Saviq> sil2100, can you please publish https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2202 - it's QA: ACK, just waiting for the two restarted flakies
[15:54] <Saviq> or mterry ↑
[15:54] <sil2100> Saviq: ACK
[15:54] <vigo> Saviq, I already finished with 2202
[15:54] <vigo> :)
[15:57] <sil2100> Saviq: publishing!
[15:57] <Saviq> vigo, yup, thanks a bunch!
[15:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Cimi Saviq, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2202 Publishing packages
[15:57] <vigo> Saviq, yw =)
[16:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2238 Successfully built
[16:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2237 Preparing packages
[16:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2188 Preparing packages
[16:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2226 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-download-manager). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-download-manager, xenial/ubuntu-download-manager)
[16:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2171 Failed to build (vivid/qtmir). Needs rebuild due to burned version number (vivid/unity8). Ready to build (vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/qtmultimedia-opensource-src-gles, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/account-plugins, xenial/gst-plugins-bad0.10, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/qtmultimedia-opensource-src, xenial/qtmultimedia-opensource-src-gles, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/
[16:15] <vigo> tsdgeos, ping
[16:15] <tsdgeos> vigo: hi
[16:15] <vigo> tsdgeos, I installed silo 2234 but when I run this https://unity8-policykit-agent.readthedocs.io/en/latest/#manual-integration-test-plan
[16:16] <vigo> I have no unity8 dialog and I'm requested from cli
[16:17] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[16:17] <tsdgeos> let me see
[16:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2237 Failed to build
[16:21] <tsdgeos> vigo: yes, you're right, that doesn't work, i can try to convine you that what i changed didn't break that ^_^
[16:21] <tsdgeos> tedg: the unity8-policykit-agent doesn't seem to work
[16:21] <tsdgeos> pkexec gets us the command line client, not an unity8 dialog
[16:22] <tsdgeos> tedg: does that only work on the phone and not on the desktop?
[16:22]  * tsdgeos tries
[16:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2140 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/qtmir). Failed to build (vivid/qtmir). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, zesty/qtmir-gles)
[16:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bschaefer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2180 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/qtmir). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/mir). Successfully built (xenial/mir, xenial/miral, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity-system-compositor, zesty/miral, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/unity-system-compositor)
[16:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- greyback, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2160 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtubuntu, zesty/unity-api). Needs rebuild due to burned version number (xenial/qtubuntu-gles, zesty/qtubuntu-gles). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/unity8). Successfully built (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8, zesty/qtmir-gles)
[16:25] <vigo> tsdgeos, hehe trying too
[16:25]  * vigo -
[16:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2224 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/ubuntu-settings-components, zesty/unity8). Successfully built (xenial/gmenuharness, xenial/indicator-network, xenial/libqtdbusmock, xenial/ubuntu-settings-components, xenial/unity8, zesty/gmenuharness, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/libqtdbusmock)
[16:27] <tsdgeos> vigo: nah doesn't seem to work either
[16:27] <tsdgeos> tbh i know nothing about this i just made it not crash :D
[16:28] <tsdgeos> but yeah it seems as if it didn't do much
[16:30] <vigo> tsdgeos, hehe ok np
[16:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Mirv tsimonq2 mitya57, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1985 Dependency wait (zesty/lxqt-qtplugin). Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/qtmir, zesty/unity8). Failed to build (zesty/akonadi, zesty/maliit-framework, zesty/qtcurve, zesty/qtmir-gles). Ready to build (zesty/qtbase-opensource-src-gles, zesty/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles, zesty/qtlocation-opensource-src-gles, zesty/qtmultimedia-opensource-src-gles, zesty/qtubuntu
[16:30] <vigo> is not crashing after all :P
[16:30] <vigo> I could just file a bug for that I guess
[16:33] <tsdgeos> i'll leave it up to you
[16:33] <tsdgeos> i may have some time to investigate why it doesn't actaully work at all
[16:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Cimi Saviq, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2202 Proposed pocket (zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/qtubuntu, zesty/qtubuntu-gles, zesty/ubuntu-settings-components, zesty/unity-api, zesty/unity8). Release pocket (vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, vivid/ubuntu-settings-components, vivid/unity-api, vivid/unity8, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/ubuntu-settings-
[16:33] <tsdgeos> if tedg points me on the right direction
[16:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2188 Currently building (zesty/indicator-datetime, zesty/indicator-sound). Failed to build (xenial/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer). Pending binary packages (xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-location, xenial/indicator-messages, xenial/indicator-printers, xenial/indicator-transfer, zesty/indicator-messages). Successfully built (xenial/indicator-bluetooth, xenial/indicator-power, x
[16:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2150 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/unity-api). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/unity-api, vivid/unity8, xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8)
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- andyrock, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2112 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/unity-api). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/unity-api, vivid/unity8, xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8)
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- josharenson, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2031 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/unity8, xenial/unity8)
[16:37] <vigo> tsdgeos, fine for me I'll land it as is not crashing but file the bug
[16:37] <vigo> to track it
[16:45] <vigo> tsdgeos, ok I'm re-thinking it
[16:46] <vigo> the bug was introduced by the silo so it'll be better fail it
[16:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2213 QA Signoff: Approved
[16:47] <tsdgeos> vigo: the bug was introduced by this silo?
[16:47] <tsdgeos> vigo: that's not what i am seeing here
[16:47] <vigo> tsdgeos, I removed it from my laptop and the prompt worked fine in unity8 O_o
[16:48] <tsdgeos> ok
[16:48] <tsdgeos> fail it then
[16:48] <tsdgeos> i'll have a look tomorrow
[16:48] <tsdgeos> very close to my eod
[16:49] <vigo> tsdgeos, ok!
[16:49] <vigo> me too :)
[16:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2188 Failed to build (xenial/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer). Successfully built (xenial/indicator-application, xenial/indicator-bluetooth, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-location, xenial/indicator-messages, xenial/indicator-power, xenial/indicator-printers, xenial/indicator-session, xenial/indicator-transfer, zesty/indicator-application, zesty/indicator-bluetooth, zesty/indic
[16:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tsdgeos, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2234 QA Signoff: Failed
[16:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- alan_g, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2240 Preparing packages
[16:54] <rvr> robru: I can't install this silo
[16:54] <rvr>  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/2194
[16:54] <rvr> Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:~ci-train-ppa-service/ubuntu/2194'.
[16:54] <rvr> ERROR: '~ci-train-ppa-service' user or team does not exist.
[16:54] <rvr> robru: Do you know why?
[16:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2237 Preparing packages
[16:58] <rvr> Bah, no network
[17:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2226 Preparing packages
[17:15] <rvr> jgdx: ping
[17:19] <jbicha> Trevinho: could you check if the gtest patch from bug 1521177 is still necessary?
[17:19] <ubot5`> bug 1521177 in gtest (Ubuntu) "TEST_P fails with new G++ because of Property_CopyBaseTypeConstructor_Test::gtest_registering_dummy_' defined but not used" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1521177
[17:19] <jbicha> gtest is now provided by the googletest source package, bug 1645799
[17:19] <ubot5`> bug 1645799 in gtest (Ubuntu) "Please remove google-mock,gtest (replaced by googletest)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1645799
[17:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2237 Failed to build
[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- alan_g, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2240 Successfully built
[17:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2226 Pending binary packages
[17:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2208 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/libappindicator). Successfully built (zesty/appmenu-qt5, zesty/sni-qt)
[17:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Cimi Saviq, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2202 Proposed pocket (zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/ubuntu-settings-components, zesty/unity-api, zesty/unity8). Release pocket (vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles, vivid/qtubuntu, vivid/qtubuntu-gles, vivid/ubuntu-settings-components, vivid/unity-api, vivid/unity8, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/ubuntu-settings-components, xenial/unity-api, xenial/
[17:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2226 Successfully built
[17:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jbicha, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2232 Publishing packages
[17:58] <rvr> kenvandine: This MP needs review https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/content-hub/gtest_1_8/+merge/311968
[17:58] <rvr> jgdx: Take a look to the comments that I left on the trello card
[17:58] <kenvandine> sigh....
[17:59] <kenvandine> sorry, i'll get that approved asap
[17:59] <rvr> np
[17:59] <kenvandine> we need to land this to unblock other silos :/
[18:00] <kenvandine> rvr, artmello just approved it
[18:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2208 Preparing packages
[18:03] <dobey> kenvandine: curious. why not using FindGMock from cmake-extras?
[18:03] <kenvandine> just following what udm did :)
[18:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2188 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/indicator-printers). Failed to build (xenial/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer). Successfully built (xenial/indicator-application, xenial/indicator-bluetooth, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-location, xenial/indicator-messages, xenial/indicator-power, xenial/indicator-printers, xenial/indicator-session, xenial/indicator-transf
[18:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jbicha, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2232 Proposed pocket
[18:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/url-dispatcher, zesty/indicator-keyboard, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer, zesty/media-hub, zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). Needs rebuild due to burned version number (zesty/indicator-printers). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-service,
[18:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Preparing packages
[18:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2208 Successfully built
[18:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2213 QA Signoff:
[18:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2213 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/gallery-app). Successfully built (vivid/address-book-app, vivid/address-book-service, vivid/camera-app, vivid/dialer-app, vivid/gallery-app, vivid/history-service, vivid/mediaplayer-app, vivid/messaging-app, xenial/address-book-app, xenial/address-book-service, xenial/camera-app, xenial/dialer-app, xenial/gallery-app, xenial/history-service, xenial/med
[18:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2213 Preparing packages
[18:41] <dobey> kenvandine: meh. all these random copies of cmake scripts :(
[18:43] <kenvandine> dobey, :/
[18:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Preparing packages
[18:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2188 Preparing packages
[19:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Bad merges (zesty/content-hub). Currently building (vivid/content-hub, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/content-hub, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit)
[19:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2188 Currently building (xenial/indicator-application, xenial/indicator-bluetooth, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-location, xenial/indicator-messages, xenial/indicator-power, xenial/indicator-printers, xenial/indicator-sound, xenial/indicator-transfer, zesty/indicator-application, zesty/indicator-datetime, zesty/indicator-messages, zesty/indicator-power, zesty/indicator-printers, zesty/i
[19:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jbicha, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2232 Proposed pocket (zesty/unity-control-center). Release pocket (zesty/indicator-printers)
[19:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2213 Successfully built
[19:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Currently building (xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, zesty/ubuntu-system-settings). Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/indicator-printers). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/url-dispatcher, zesty/indicator-keyboard, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer, zesty/media-hub, zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). Successfully built (xenial/addre
[19:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Bad merges (zesty/content-hub). Currently building (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Failed to build (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, xenial/content-hub)
[19:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Preparing packages
[19:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2188 Currently building (xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-sound). Failed to build (zesty/indicator-transfer). Successfully built (xenial/indicator-bluetooth, xenial/indicator-transfer, zesty/indicator-location). Uploading build (xenial/indicator-application, xenial/indicator-location, xenial/indicator-messages, xenial/indicator-power, xenial/indicator-printers, xenia
[19:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh bfiller boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2241 Preparing packages
[19:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Currently building (xenial/ubuntu-system-settings). Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/indicator-printers). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/url-dispatcher, zesty/indicator-keyboard, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer, zesty/media-hub, zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-service, xenial/histor
[19:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Bad merges (zesty/content-hub). Failed to build (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, xenial/content-hub)
[19:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Preparing packages
[19:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2188 Failed to build (zesty/indicator-transfer). Successfully built (xenial/indicator-bluetooth, xenial/indicator-transfer, zesty/indicator-location). Uploading build (xenial/indicator-application, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-location, xenial/indicator-messages, xenial/indicator-power, xenial/indicator-printers, xenial/indicator-session, xenial/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-applica
[19:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2188 Preparing packages
[19:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/indicator-printers). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/url-dispatcher, zesty/indicator-keyboard, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer, zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). PPA/bzr version mismatch (zesty/media-hub). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-service, xenial/history-service, xenial/indicat
[20:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Failed to build (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). PPA/bzr version mismatch (zesty/content-hub, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, xenial/content-hub)
[20:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Preparing packages
[20:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh bfiller boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2241 Ready to build
[20:07] <jgdx> rvr, will do. One sec
[20:09] <mterry> robru: I've got a media-hub build that says it uploaded to the PPA but I'm starting to not believe it.  https://bileto.ubuntu.com/log/2129/build/latest/  -- nothing in log that looks bad, but PPA just doesn't show anything (maybe LP is being slow, but it's usually on the ball for this)
[20:09] <mterry> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2129/+packages
[20:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2188 PPA/bzr version mismatch (zesty/indicator-application, zesty/indicator-bluetooth, zesty/indicator-datetime, zesty/indicator-location, zesty/indicator-messages, zesty/indicator-power, zesty/indicator-printers, zesty/indicator-session, zesty/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer). Successfully built (xenial/indicator-bluetooth, xenial/indicator-transfer). Uploading build (xenial/indicator-appl
[20:11] <robru> mterry: how long has it been? Worst case I've seen it take up to half an hour
[20:11] <robru> mterry: also you should get an accept/reject mail these days so if you didn't get that yet it's probably just slow
[20:12] <mterry> robru: oh wow ok -- it's only been like 5m but it's always seemed instantaneous to me, so I got antsy
[20:12] <mterry> thx
[20:12] <robru> mterry: yeah normally it's just a couple minutes but it's a batch-run job so it's subject to delays at times of high load
[20:12] <robru> mterry: yw
[20:13]  * robru > afk
[20:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2192 ACCEPTED queue
[20:14] <jgdx> rvr, I've addressed two of those comments, and forwarded the other two to mzanetti since I wasn't really sure what the answers are.
[20:19] <mzanetti> jgdx, rvr, both things might be open for dicussion with design. atm this is what is specced. I can see how they might not be ideal, but in any case, it's unity8's behavior, and nothing the settings app can do about
[20:20] <mzanetti> you can open bugs for ubuntu-ux if you feel this should be addressed with higher priority
[20:25] <cjwatson> robru,mterry: there's a DNS resolver outage at the moment, it's snarled some things up
[20:25] <cjwatson> it's not a load thing
[20:25] <cjwatson> should unstick in bulk once the resolver is fixed and webops kill the job that was stuck as a result
[20:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/indicator-printers). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/url-dispatcher, zesty/indicator-keyboard, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer, zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). Ready to build (xenial/media-hub, zesty/media-hub). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-service, xenial/history-service, xenial
[20:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2188 PPA/bzr version mismatch (zesty/indicator-application, zesty/indicator-bluetooth, zesty/indicator-datetime, zesty/indicator-location, zesty/indicator-messages, zesty/indicator-power, zesty/indicator-printers, zesty/indicator-session, zesty/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer). Pending binary packages (xenial/indicator-application, xenial/indicator-bluetooth, xenial/indicator-location, xeni
[20:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2192 Proposed pocket
[20:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2213 Pending binary packages (xenial/gallery-app). Successfully built (vivid/address-book-app, vivid/address-book-service, vivid/camera-app, vivid/dialer-app, vivid/gallery-app, vivid/history-service, vivid/mediaplayer-app, vivid/messaging-app, xenial/address-book-app, xenial/address-book-service, xenial/camera-app, xenial/dialer-app, xenial/history-service, xenial/mediaplayer-app, xenial/messagi
[20:58] <cjwatson> robru,mterry: recovering/recovered now
[20:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/indicator-printers). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/url-dispatcher, zesty/indicator-keyboard, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer, zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). Pending binary packages (zesty/ubuntu-system-settings). Ready to build (xenial/media-hub, zesty/media-hub). Successfully built (xen
[21:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh bfiller boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2241 Failed to build
[21:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2188 Currently building (xenial/indicator-application, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-messages, xenial/indicator-printers, xenial/indicator-session, xenial/indicator-transfer, zesty/indicator-datetime, zesty/indicator-messages, zesty/indicator-session, zesty/indicator-sound). Failed to build (xenial/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer). Needs building (xenial/indicator-bluetooth, x
[21:16] <robru> cjwatson: thanks
[21:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2213 Successfully built
[21:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Currently building (xenial/media-hub, zesty/media-hub). Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/indicator-printers). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/url-dispatcher, zesty/indicator-keyboard, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer, zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). Pending binary packages (xenial/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built
[21:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Bad merges (zesty/content-hub). Currently building (vivid/content-hub, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/content-hub, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit)
[21:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2188 Currently building (zesty/indicator-application, zesty/indicator-printers). Failed to build (xenial/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer). Pending binary packages (xenial/indicator-application, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-location, xenial/indicator-power, xenial/indicator-printers, zesty/indicator-bluetooth, zesty/indicator-datetime, zesty/indicator-location, zesty/indicator
[21:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Currently building (xenial/media-hub). Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/indicator-printers). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/url-dispatcher, zesty/indicator-keyboard, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer, zesty/media-hub, zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-service, xenial/history-service, xe
[21:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Bad merges (zesty/content-hub). Currently building (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Failed to build (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit). Pending binary packages (vivid/content-hub, xenial/content-hub)
[21:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2188 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/indicator-printers). Failed to build (xenial/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer). Successfully built (xenial/indicator-application, xenial/indicator-bluetooth, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-location, xenial/indicator-messages, xenial/indicator-power, xenial/indicator-printers, xenial/indicator-session, xenial/indicator-transf
[21:52] <charles> what now
[21:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/indicator-printers). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/url-dispatcher, zesty/indicator-keyboard, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/indicator-sound, zesty/indicator-transfer, zesty/media-hub, zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-service, xenial/history-service, xenial/indicator-application, xenial/indi
[22:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Bad merges (zesty/content-hub). Failed to build (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, xenial/content-hub)
[22:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2188 Preparing packages
[22:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2188 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/indicator-printers). Failed to build (zesty/indicator-transfer). Pending binary packages (zesty/indicator-sound). Successfully built (xenial/indicator-application, xenial/indicator-bluetooth, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-location, xenial/indicator-messages, xenial/indicator-power, xenial/indicator-printers, xenial/indicator-session
[22:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2188 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/indicator-printers). Failed to build (zesty/indicator-transfer). Successfully built (xenial/indicator-application, xenial/indicator-bluetooth, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-location, xenial/indicator-messages, xenial/indicator-power, xenial/indicator-printers, xenial/indicator-session, xenial/indicator-sound, xenial/indicator-transf
[22:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2188 Preparing packages
[23:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2188 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/indicator-printers). Failed to build (zesty/indicator-transfer). Successfully built (xenial/indicator-application, xenial/indicator-bluetooth, xenial/indicator-datetime, xenial/indicator-location, xenial/indicator-messages, xenial/indicator-power, xenial/indicator-printers, xenial/indicator-session, xenial/indicator-sound, xenial/indicator-transf
[23:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xavigarcia, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2231 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/keeper). Successfully built (xenial/keeper)
[23:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Preparing packages


[01:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Chris Jones] Old and new: Mixing irssi and iPhones for fun and no profit - http://www.tenshu.net/archives/2010/12/14/old-and-new-mixing-irssi-and-iphones-for-fun-and-no-profit/
[06:42] <nigelb> popey: Hey, I could use some RT love :) http://twitter.com/#!/nigelbabu/status/14570773956005888
[07:39] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:55] <AlanBell> morning MooDoo and all
[07:55] <Apacheuk> morning all
[07:56] <MooDoo> :)
[08:15] <diplo> Morning all
[08:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all
[08:37] <dwatkins> ello
[09:01] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:03] <nperry_> Morning All o/
[09:03] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:03] <nperry_> czajkowski: Re the ubunt hour, are you around Sat evening/day time?
[09:04] <czajkowski> no sorry I head back to ireland then
[09:05] <nperry_> Damm, only time I've got free this week :<
[09:05] <diplo> Where are you staying czajkowski ?
[09:05] <czajkowski> diplo: Bath
[09:05] <diplo> yeah i mean where in bath sorry, should have been  more specific, live in trowbridge a few miles out of bath
[09:06] <czajkowski> hmm good question
[09:06] <diplo> heh
[09:07] <czajkowski> http://www.cheritonhouse.co.uk/  staying here
[09:07] <daubers> Morning
[09:09] <diplo> nice part of bath, well actually there aren't that many bad parts
[09:09] <diplo> you have a school opposite you there though, well a little up on your right
[09:09] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:13] <czajkowski> diplo: aye but I walked past and down to work
[09:14] <czajkowski> thoug I did find a nice short cut which cuts dow a load of th hill walk
[09:14] <diplo> yeah loads of little alleys down there
[09:15] <dwatkins> Bath is lovely.
[09:15] <jpds> I prefer showers.
[09:15] <dwatkins> I prefer Edinburgh ;-)
[09:16] <diplo> never been there yet
[09:19] <czajkowski> I hope to do some looking around one of the days
[09:20] <czajkowski> perhaps take a half day and go see some of hte place in daylight
[09:22] <samelco> hi, when does support stop for karmic 9.10?
[09:25] <samelco> even though i have screen-saver off and power-management set to never the screen goes off after 10 minutes
[09:29] <samelco> i found a thread here, .. http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/229/disable-screensaver/ ... seems to be dealing with this issue
[09:30] <samelco> just have to find autostart.sh now
[09:35] <screen-x`> morning :)
[09:35] <bigcalm> Hi screen-x`
[09:35] <bigcalm> What's with the jaunty hat?
[09:35] <screen-x`> oooh
[09:35]  * screen-x removes hat
[09:36] <bigcalm> Last ice hockey match we attended, I had to remove GF's hat for God Save the Queen
[09:37] <bigcalm> I know it's cold, but still
[09:37] <popey> MORNING!
[09:37] <bigcalm> Howdy popey
[09:38] <bigcalm> popey: where do you use your Joggler?
[09:38] <popey> it usually sits in the kitchen
[09:38] <popey> but I don't "use" it much
[09:38] <bigcalm> Ah, so my alarm clock app won't be much use to you :(
[09:42] <popey> heh
[09:42] <popey> i used my ipad for the first time as an alarm clock this morning
[09:42] <hoover> mornin all
[09:43] <dwatkins> Which sound did you have it make, popey?
[09:43] <czajkowski> daft question time, have an open office document in a .docx need to make some of the pages landscape and the rest portrait, but every time I change a the ones I need to landscape it changes the entire document to landscape :(
[09:43] <gord> depends if he falls asleep in the kitchen really
[09:44] <maco> czajkowski: afaik, not possible, but if you find a way, please blog it
[09:44] <czajkowski> maco: that's what I thought :( feck
[09:44] <maco> czajkowski: any chance you just need to end up with a funky-directions pdf?
[09:44] <popey> dwatkins: i had it play radio 2 :)
[09:44] <maco> if so, make a file of portrait and a file of landscape, pdf-ify both, then use pdfshuffler to mash
[09:45] <popey> czajkowski: i think you can carve it up into sections
[09:45] <czajkowski> maco: document is already over 40 pages long
[09:45] <popey> thats how you do it in word anyway
[09:45] <czajkowski> popey: aye in office I know I change the pages as I go along but doesnt seem to be the case in oo
[09:45] <czajkowski> hmm
[09:45] <czajkowski> much swearing at the computer again today I suscpect. thanks folks
[09:49] <samelco> umm, my eeebox display cuts out after 10 minutes even though scrreen-saver is off and power-management is set to never
[09:50] <czajkowski> maco: plan B it is, create a seperate landscape document and will merge to other document  and create as pdf
[09:50] <czajkowski> good idea
[09:50] <bigcalm> 10 minutes of inactivity?
[09:50] <samelco> yes bigcalm
[09:50] <bigcalm> Can't say that I've experienced that
[09:51] <samelco> i did disable and re-enabled screen-saver in startup programs that made no difference
[09:51] <dwatkins> popey: nice, I clearly need to get me one of those
[09:52] <samelco> i found a thread were others have this issue, there is a reference to autostart.sh for karmic but i cannot find it
[10:57]  * daubers waits for windows to boo
[10:57] <daubers> t
[10:57] <MartijnVdS> "boo" works ;)
[10:58] <exobuzz> mornin
[10:59] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Especially as it gives me a desktop thats not responsive for 5 minutes after its booted :(
[10:59] <davmor2> morning all
[11:00] <bigcalm> !ping
[11:00] <bigcalm> Humm. This works but web is down
[11:00] <bigcalm> Weird
[11:00]  * kazade throws IE8 out of the window
[11:00] <kazade> I hate IE :/
[11:01] <bigcalm> Facebook and BBC are both down for me
[11:01] <kazade> bigcalm, dns?
[11:01] <bigcalm> And we're back
[11:01] <bigcalm> kazade: google
[11:01] <kazade> oh, that was gonna be my suggestion :p
[11:01] <bigcalm> kazade: I blame VirginMedia
[11:02] <bigcalm> I always blame them for any interweb problems
[11:02] <kazade> so do I, and I don't even use them :p
[11:02] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:11] <kazade> Words cannot describe how much IE sucks
[11:12] <kazade> I want to do something very simple (have an image as a button which when clicked submits the attached "value" attribute), I've succeeded in 3 different ways on Firefox, none of which work on IE
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> kazade: input type=image?
[11:30]  * screen-x ingests lartc
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> LARTc?
[11:30] <screen-x> http://lartc.org
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: http://catb.org/jargon/html/L/LART.html
[11:31] <screen-x> :p
[11:32] <BigRedS> I was expecting lartc to be related to that sort of lart
[11:36] <MooDoo> i was just thinking about ls -lart :)
[11:37] <kazade> MartijnVdS, input type=image doesn't submit the value on IE
[11:38] <kazade> and <button value="123"><img src=""></button> submits the bit inbetween the <button> tags on IE, not the value
[11:38] <MartijnVdS> tell the IE9 team :)
[11:39] <kazade> I eventually got it working with input type="submit" but with an ugly IE hack to make the text of the value not display
[11:40] <BigRedS> Is there such a thing as a non-ugly IE hack?
[11:40] <kazade> BigRedS, nope
[11:57] <samelco> ifconfig
[11:57] <samelco> oops!
[11:57] <MooDoo> samelco: eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 23:re:45:44:32:ss
[11:57] <MooDoo> :)
[11:57] <samelco> XD
[11:58] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: that's not a valid mac
[11:58] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: yes i know i was having a joke
[11:58] <daubers> Bah, how can I get the grace time remaining of an xfs quota'd thing in seconds instead of "X days"
[12:01] <directhex> daubers: locally or over nfs?
[12:01] <daubers> directhex: locally
[12:02] <daubers> xfs_quota -x -c 'report -p ' /mount/bigfs gives it to me in days, I'd like it in seconds so I can scripts some stuff
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> $days * 86400 = $seconds
[12:03] <aaronr> anyone familiar with apparmor? mysql won't start after upgrading a machine from 8.10 > 10.04: http://pastie.org/1375800
[12:03] <daubers> MartijnVdS: What if it expires at 13:00 that day?
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> aaronr: have you rebooted?
[12:03] <aaronr> or at least i think its apparmor that's upsetting it
[12:03] <aaronr> yeah
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> the "profile_replace" is part of the upgrade process
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> what does it log when you restart it manually?
[12:07] <aaronr> "service mysql restart" is still running, but i'm seeing this in syslog: http://pastie.org/1375829
[12:08] <directhex> aaronr: 8.10->10.04?
[12:08] <aaronr> yeah, stopping off along the way
[12:08] <aaronr> 8.10 > 9.04 > 9.10 > 10.04
[12:09] <aaronr> this server isn't loved enough.
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> no idea
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> did you put the database in a non-default location?
[12:13] <aaronr> hmm.
[12:13] <aaronr> i think the apparmor thing is me barking up the wrong tree
[12:13] <aaronr> just read something that says profile_replace isn't an error
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> profile_replace shouldn't happen on restart though
[12:13] <aaronr> running mysqld directly interactively shows other issues
[12:15] <aaronr> hmm, seems my my.cnf could be the problem.
[12:16] <BigRedS> is there an easy way to change the username of a mysql user?
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> UPDATE users?
[12:16] <BigRedS> I'm guessing   update User set user='newname' where user='oldname';  will still require me to faff with grants?
[12:22] <bigcalm> http://chzupnextinsports.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/hockeywaffle.gif?w=222&h=150
[12:22] <bigcalm> Slightly bored, sorry :)
[12:22] <daubers> Ah ha!
[12:23] <daubers> The xfs_db actually stores the time it expires in seconds since the epoch
[12:23] <daubers> so I can just query that
[12:28] <kazade> haha, you gotta love Windows fanboys, take a look at the comments by "The_Bob_Dole" here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2374193,00.asp?obref=obinsite
[12:29] <kazade> I also love the fact that they tried to installed Windows from a USB stick and they couldn't because: "the USB port isn't recognizing any of my peripherals or a network" seems like a job for Ubuntu to me..
[12:41]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski just to remind her I'm about still :D
[12:42] <aaronr> (for the log's sake: my mysql problem was due to "skip_bdb" being in my my.cnf. That makes newer mysql barf as the deprecated BDB support got removed completely a while back and that directive isn't recognised anymore.)
[12:50]  * czajkowski stabs davmor2 and goes back to work
[12:54] <MooDoo> czajkowski: oh your so awesome :D
[13:25] <iggy_> http://i.imgur.com/7cghx.jpg
[13:26] <BigRedS> fnarr
[13:31] <bigcalm> Heh
[13:31] <popey> not really appropriate for here iggy_
[13:32] <iggy_> popey: sorry wrong room!
[13:33] <dwatkins> safe for work? I assume not
[13:33] <iggy_> dwatkins: probably not..
[13:34] <suprengr> o/
[13:34] <dwatkins> thanks iggy_ - I won't click it, then
[13:35] <suprengr> anyone fancy a spreadsheet quikkie? [have flu & brain is stuck]
[13:37] <czajkowski> dwatkins: not very Ubuntu friendly
[13:40] <dwatkins> ah I see, czajkowski
[13:47] <dwatkins> that's better
[14:08] <screen-x> suprengr: what's your spreadsheet problem?
[14:13] <suprengr> hi screen-x & thanks.  a formula [=CONCATENATE("C",(1000-(COUNTBLANK(B1:B1000)))) returns the wanted cell but nothing I do allows me to use the result to reference the cell  :(
[14:17] <screen-x> suprengr: in google docs, the function is indirect()
[14:18] <screen-x> maybe different in your spreadsheet of choice
[14:21] <suprengr> screen-x: I searched google docs, the ooo help and ended going round & round in circles with no result.  I bow to your superior searching :)
[14:21] <screen-x> suprengr: I looked in the function list under lookup :)
[14:23]  * suprengr wonders... should have checked in function list for "searching_for_hours_when_ brain_&_body_stuffed_with_flu()
[14:24] <suprengr> screen-x: thanks a mil, very grateful.
[14:25] <screen-x> flu sucks :(
[14:26] <suprengr> it sucks more than the suckiest thing made at the suckiest thing factory in sucky-land
[14:27] <screen-x> Is there a way to temporarily force chrome/chromium to treat address bar input as a url, rather than search terms?
[14:30] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: just type an url?
[14:30] <screen-x> some of my urls look very like search terms..
[14:31] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: your search terms start with "http://" ?!
[14:31] <screen-x> heh, ok dns names, rather than urls..
[14:31] <suprengr> screen-x: cancel dns pre-fetch ???
[14:33] <screen-x> http:// prefix does the job.
[14:54] <davmor2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIzPF3BfpQ to all a funny Christmas :D
[15:18] <AlanBell> afternoon all
[15:18] <bigcalm> Morning AlanBell
[15:18]  * AlanBell is not impressed with the wiring in his house
[15:18] <czajkowski> AlanBell: what ya break
[15:18] <AlanBell> what numpty put the sockets in my office on the same ring as the cooker!
[15:19] <czajkowski> AlanBell: did you put them on the same ring
[15:19] <AlanBell> nope
[15:19] <AlanBell> like that when I bought the place, but I only just found out about it
[15:19] <czajkowski> was your office always the office?
[15:19] <screen-x> "wodim: Drive needs to reload the media to return to proper status." followed by tray eject and insert, what's all that about?
[15:20] <AlanBell> czajkowski: yup, it is in an extension
[15:20] <bigcalm> The cooker should never be on a ring. It should be a radial connection to the consumer unit. Same situation with an electric shower
[15:20] <AlanBell> bigcalm: yup
[15:20] <AlanBell> that is why I turned it off at the CU and didn't expect anything else to go off with it!
[15:21] <bigcalm> AlanBell: so you have a cookie connected to 2.5mm ring?
[15:21] <screen-x> mmm cookie
[15:21] <bigcalm> Doh
[15:21] <bigcalm> Cookie?
[15:21] <bigcalm> Damn it
[15:21] <bigcalm> Cooker
[15:21]  * popey has had enough of changing passwords today
[15:21] <screen-x> yes please bigcalm
[15:21] <bigcalm> I have a bad of cookies in my draw...
[15:21] <bigcalm> popey: your own passwords?
[15:22] <AlanBell> bigcalm: well not sure, there is a cooker isolation switch above the worksurface
[15:22] <AlanBell> and one wire popping out behind the cooker wired into the cooker
[15:22] <AlanBell> I don't know what goes on between the CU and the switch
[15:22] <AlanBell> but it isn't right, whatever it is
[15:22] <bigcalm> Is the CU full of MCBs rather than fuses?
[15:23] <AlanBell> yes
[15:23] <bigcalm> Better than nothing then :)
[15:23] <screen-x> MCB?
[15:23] <AlanBell> and it is on the one labled "kitchen sockets"
[15:23] <AlanBell> magnetic circuit breakers
[15:23] <bigcalm> Miniture Circuit breaker
[15:23] <screen-x> different from RCD?
[15:23] <AlanBell> oh ok
[15:23] <bigcalm> screen-x: yes
[15:24] <screen-x> better?
[15:24] <AlanBell> RCD trips on earth leakage
[15:24] <bigcalm> Different
[15:24] <bigcalm> You generally have 1 RCD and a butt load of MCBs
[15:24] <AlanBell> MCB trips on over amps, like a bit of fusewire burning out
[15:24] <screen-x> ok
[15:25] <bigcalm> AlanBell: I'd get a sparky in to check the wiring of the whole house
[15:26] <AlanBell> bigcalm: I think I will
[15:26] <popey> bigcalm: yes
[15:26] <screen-x> I'm attempting to burn an ISO that I need to boot an old server from in order to P2V it, I'd forgotten how much I dislike the whole coaster making process.
[15:26] <popey> bigcalm: i was one of the people that had a lifehacker account
[15:26] <bigcalm> popey: Gawker?
[15:26] <AlanBell> I knew the socket next to the cooker switch was connected to it, but I thought that was just a cheeky little spur off the switch
[15:26] <popey> ya
[15:26] <bigcalm> :(
[15:26] <popey> and I happened to have quite a few sites with the same password
[15:26] <popey> where "quite a few" is "about a hundred"
[15:27] <bigcalm> Ouch
[15:27] <bigcalm> So you've changed all of them to the same new pw? ;)
[15:27] <popey> you are not the first person to make that joke :)
[15:27] <popey> no
[15:27] <bigcalm> Awww
[15:27] <bigcalm> Joke? :P
[15:29] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I like gooy commands
[15:30] <czajkowski> well I just had to sit through the Debian V Ubuntu server debate
[15:31] <czajkowski> now command line V  GUI
[15:31] <czajkowski> I see cider in my future
[15:31] <bigcalm> Awww
[15:31] <MooDoo> czajkowski: lots i assume
[15:33] <screen-x> yay, burnt a readable CD...
[15:34] <MartijnVdS> uhm.. wow? :)
[15:34] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: its an achievement!
[15:35] <screen-x> I never did get on very well with optical media, especially the writeable types..
[15:38] <daubers> screen-x: That probably had more to do with the state of the laptop you where burning them on
[15:39] <screen-x> daubers: it's a desktop, but it is quite loaded
[15:39] <daubers> heh :)
[15:49] <winterweaver> my public ssh key is the .pub file, yes?
[15:50] <screen-x> winterweaver: yep
[15:50] <winterweaver> tx
[16:00] <BigRedS> anyone here familiar with fail2ban and custom rules?
[16:03] <winterweaver> hg == mercurial? True|False
[16:04] <BigRedS> true, AFAIK
[16:04] <BigRedS> 'cause hg is mercury
[16:04] <BigRedS> who says foss uses cryptic names?
[16:05] <popey> o/
[16:05] <winterweaver> hehe
[16:05] <winterweaver> thx
[16:33] <morleypotter> does anyone know anything about HD radeon graphics cards, specifically ubuntu support?
[16:37] <BigRedS> My radeon works in ubuntu
[16:37] <BigRedS> but I don't knwo what it is
[16:55] <X3N_> BigRedS: it's probably a graphics card, but that's not important right now
[16:55] <popey> FUNNY MAN!
[16:56] <X3N_> :p
[16:56] <bigcalm> HEh
[16:57] <X3N_> it's my tribute to leslie nielsen to use that joke at every opportunity
[16:57] <popey> surely not?
[16:57] <X3N_> and don't call me surely
[16:58] <X3N_> doesn't quite work as well written
[16:58] <bigcalm> All together?
[16:58] <popey> it's a different kind of joke all together
[16:59] <popey> "it's a different kind of joke"
[17:02] <davmor2> X3N_: It's probably a badly written pun, but that's not import right now
[17:06] <X3N_> :)
[17:39] <screen-x> anyone used nbd recently?
[17:39] <Flashtek> network block devices ?
[17:39] <screen-x> yeah
[17:39] <Flashtek> not int he last 5 minutes..
[17:40] <screen-x> I can't seem to get nbd-server to start, its whinging about the config file, but I commented everything out, and it still doesn't start..
[17:40] <Flashtek> kicked it ?
[17:40] <screen-x> yeah, pretty hard.
[17:40] <Flashtek> mind you, ifyou comment everything out, it'll likely not work
[17:40] <screen-x> the default config file only has two options set, which it claims are optional
[17:41] <screen-x> well, when I see default, I mean template, as the package doesn't actually install a default config file.
[17:43] <screen-x> It appears to have started working.. how strange.
[17:45] <screen-x> \o/ partprobe added partitions to the nbd device
[17:46] <BigRedS> Linux in 'just works' shocker? ;)
[17:47] <screen-x> not all devices support partitions, I can't remember which type I came across that didn't...
[17:47] <screen-x> I think it was loops
[18:00] <Azelphur> I'm thinking about getting a HTC Desire Z o.O
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: get a Nexus S
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> it > *
[18:00] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: except it's obvious lack of a keyboard.
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> (it has no crappy htc sense)
[18:00] <screen-x> unless you want a keyboard..
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> lack of keyboard++
[18:00] <Azelphur> htc sense is removable :)
[18:01] <screen-x> Depends if you like samsung plastic build as well..
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: but it's hard
[18:01] <Azelphur> it's hard?
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: I'll stick to my nexus one until the /next/ google phone (after nexus s) arrives
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: yeah you have to root and run custom roms... that's a lot of work
[18:01] <screen-x> yeah, I think the N1-->NS is a step down in build quality
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> N1 is metal :)
[18:02] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: did that on day 1 with my G1 :)
[18:02] <jacobw> rooting and running custom ROMs isn't much work
[18:02] <jacobw> takes about 20 minutes
[18:03] <Azelphur> indeed
[18:03] <Azelphur> CyanogenMod <3
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> Sure it takes 20 minutes.. but not rooting saves me that :)
[18:04] <jacobw> i had cyanogen on my G1
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> Google's own android builds tend to suck a lot less than HTCs
[18:04]  * jacobw lost his G1 :(
[18:04]  * jacobw now has a nokia 2330
[18:05] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:05] <Azelphur> My G1 is a bit slow for my tastes
[18:05] <Azelphur> It struggles a lot with 2.2
[18:06] <BigRedS> yeah, when I went from my G1 to my Galaxy I was astounded at how smooth android can be
[18:06] <BigRedS> it's a lot less crap when it's on good hardware :)
[18:06] <BigRedS> (but Samsung have done horrible things to Android)
[18:06] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:06] <Azelphur> I flash cyanogen on day 1 anyway so doesn't bother me
[18:07] <BigRedS> Yeah, there is no cyanogen for my galaxy :(
[18:07] <Azelphur> :(
[18:07] <BigRedS> I've been looking for a vanilla android for it, too, but I can't find one
[18:07] <Azelphur> but yea full keyboard is a must for me because I mainly use it for typing rather than talking
[18:07] <BigRedS> apparently the hardware's quite esoteric, so there's not a lot of effort in its direction
[18:07] <Azelphur> so it's between Milestone, G2 and N900
[18:07] <BigRedS> Azelphur: I did think that, but I've got quite used to an on-screen keyboard
[18:07] <moreati> BigRedS: Oh, I'd used HTC Android (which is slower than it need be), but not Samsung. Had assumed Samdung Android is okay, thaks for th info
[18:07] <Azelphur> (afaik there is no milestone 2, and galaxy S pro is US only)
[18:07] <BigRedS> even found an ssh client that works with a virtual keyboard :)
[18:08] <Azelphur> BigRedS: so you play games with your on screen keyboard? :p
[18:08]  * Azelphur breaks out the megadrive emulator on his G1 a lot
[18:08] <Flashtek> :)
[18:08] <BigRedS> moreati: There's a bunch of crapware and bloatware, and they've got their own replacements for things (like contacts, and dialer) which are confusingly namesakes of their 'replacements' so sometimes you get oen, other times the other
[18:09] <BigRedS> I'm sure it's fine if you dont' mod it *at all*, but then you've got an imitation iphone
[18:09] <Azelphur> also the screen is small enough without 60% of it going to a keyboard xD
[18:09] <BigRedS> Azelphur: not keyboard-based games :)
[18:09] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:09] <Azelphur> so yea, physical keyboard for me
[18:09] <BigRedS> I know where you're coming from, 'cause that's exactly where I was before I got this. But it turns out on-screen isn't as bad (for me) as I thought it would be
[18:09] <BigRedS> ssh on a phone is an excercise in patience anyway
[18:09] <Azelphur> haha
[18:10] <Azelphur> BigRedS: I use SSH on my G1 all the time
[18:10] <Azelphur> besides the slowness, once you get logged in it's fine
[18:10] <Azelphur> I type quite fast on my G1
[18:10] <moreati> BigRedS: okay, interesting that they didn't remove the stock dialler after replacing it, or did an incomplete job
[18:10] <BigRedS> yeah, I've got to the same sort of speed on teh landscape keyboard as on the hardwre keyboard
[18:10] <BigRedS> moreati: there's a dialer built into their own contacts thing, which you almost always get
[18:11] <BigRedS> there's one particular way of getting there that gets the standard ndroid one, but I've forgotten what it is
[18:12] <jacobw> my dad has a HTC Hero, so i've had quite a lot of dealing with HTC Sense
[18:12] <jacobw> i.e. can you phone this number for me? its too confusing
[18:13] <moreati> I rooted my Desire last week and flashed with a CyanogenMod derivative. Couldn't believe the difference in smoothness. Only bit of Sense I miss is the time/stopwatch/countdown/alarm app, haven't huntd out a suitable replacement yet
[18:13] <jacobw> old people shouldn't be allowed smartphones
[18:13] <jacobw> i noticed that when rooted my G1 with cyanogon moreati
[18:14]  * moreati imageines a Vietnamese city being invaded by Cylons
[18:20] <daubers> o/
[18:25] <Flashtek> darn
[18:26] <Flashtek> cant find rj45 connectors
[18:29] <BigRedS> what? They're all over the place?
[18:29] <BigRedS> I don't know why the second sentence was a question there.  Today is a good day.
[19:07] <exobuzz> ive still not got around to playing stuff from the last pack
[19:08] <Oli````> exobuzz: ditto. And I bought Psychonauts for a fiver today. And I've got AvP to play at some point. And the bottomlessness of Minecraft.
[19:08] <exobuzz> heh
[19:08] <Oli````> Gaming on Linux has never been better.
[19:09] <exobuzz> ive got about 3 wii games still in wrapping too
[19:09] <Oli````> [Thankfully] I don't own any consoles. I'm sure I'd have no money or time if I did.
[19:09] <exobuzz> no consoles? not even a megadrive or something? :)
[19:10] <Flashtek> I own a Wii, a PS3 and Xbox classic.. I barely use 'em
[19:10] <exobuzz> xbox classic i use daily.. xbmc ftw
[19:10] <Flashtek> but i do have a speccy emulator on my wildfire
[19:10] <jacobw> i'm like the opposite, i've got a PS3 an most of hit games of this year; i just can't find time to play them
[19:10] <Oli````> Oh I *have* owned consoles in the past (Master System, Snes and a PSX) but no "modern" ones
[19:10] <exobuzz> my favourite console is probably my vectrex, although i dont play on it all that often. should get it out for a session
[19:11] <Oli````> (I refuse to call them modern without pseudo-air-quotes because they're all pensioners in the hardware world)
[19:11] <exobuzz> Oli````, should never throw em away but build up a massive collection in the loft ;-)
[19:11] <exobuzz> or better still under the tv..
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> Oli````: Biggest problem is RAM
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> Oli````: Especially on PS3 (though even a little more CPU wouldn't hurt)
[19:12] <Oli````> heh, I did go through a phase while at uni where I had the master system, snes and psx all plugged in...
[19:12] <exobuzz> nice
[19:12] <Oli````> But the sharp corners on the Master System controller gave somebody rabies and we had to have him put down.
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> Oli````: soldering iron at the ready?
[19:12] <exobuzz> super metroid on snes.. <3
[19:12] <exobuzz> Oli````, lol
[19:15] <Flashtek> grrr... why is my boss not replying to my calls and texts ?
[19:20] <Flashtek> i've only been calling him for 7 hours..
[19:20] <Flashtek> perhaps I should take it as a hint and return my laptop..?
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> \o issyl0
[19:25] <issyl0> MartijnVdS: yay!
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[19:26] <issyl0> I know! I didn't realise I was as Guest until just now!
[19:27]  * MartijnVdS is watching a theme night on nuclear power/war on a Dutch history channel
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> with old cinema/newsreel footage etc.
[19:34]  * popey points Daviey at exobuzz
[19:35] <dwatkins> Flashtek: tried calling someone else who might know where your boss is?
[20:04] <screen-x> trying to run memtest86+ and I get "error: too small lower memory", then a memory range any ideas?
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> not enough memory <1MB free
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> are you running it from grub?
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> what's the range?
[20:06] <screen-x> from grub
[20:06] <screen-x> 0x99100 > 0x96400
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> wow.. do you have "memory hole" in your BIOS (they stopped doing that in Pentium 2 machines I think?)
[20:07] <screen-x> Its a dual xeon, so probably not.
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> I have no idea what it could be
[20:08] <screen-x> just found bug 560839
[20:08] <screen-x> looks like a memtest problem.
[20:11] <screen-x> doesn't work from lucid cd either, but blinking cursor instead of error message.
[20:14] <jerkman> hey guys
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> \o
[20:15] <screen-x> lo
[20:17] <popey> hi jerkman
[20:19] <exobuzz> "popey points Daviey at exobuzz " someone asked something ?
[20:19] <exobuzz> s/someone/daviey
[20:20] <jerkman> anyone in here from FLUG?
[20:21] <popey> jerkman: F?
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> France?
[20:21] <popey> exobuzz: Daviey has a joggler
[20:21] <exobuzz> aah
[20:24] <jerkman> faversham linux users group
[20:26] <popey> jerkman: Azelphur lives not tooo far from there
[20:26] <popey> he's about the closest I can think of
[20:26] <popey> Gary is closer if you're looking over the water
[20:26] <Azelphur> didn't know faversham had one
[20:27] <Azelphur> there was a thanet one but it died
[20:27] <popey> neither did I! :)
[20:27] <popey> http://lug.org.uk/lugs/south-east
[20:27] <popey> not listed there
[20:27] <popey> jerkman: do they have a website?
[20:29] <Azelphur> secret ninja lugs clearly :p
[20:32] <screen-x> hmm, I can't memtest86 to run on this box, tried lucid and hardy CDs :(
[20:33] <jerkman> http://flug.org.uk/
[20:36] <screen-x> \o/ memtest ISO from memtest.org works :)
[20:36] <czajkowski> Despicable me is one of the funniest things I've watched in a long time
[20:40] <popey> jerkman: do you know who runs the LUG?
[20:40] <popey> jerkman: be good to get whoever it is listed on lug.org.uk
[20:40] <popey> they should join the lugmaster mailing list
[20:41] <jerkman> urm, jake rayham
[20:41] <jerkman> i think anyway
[20:42]  * daubers used to ponder becoming a thudmeister
[20:42] <daubers> Not quite the same as a lugmaster though....
[20:45] <screen-x> popey: seems to be a member of a group of lugs http://hyperlug.org/
[20:46] <jerkman> mpearce isn't a group i don't think. I went to his demo, but as part of flug
[20:47] <jacobw> http://pastebin.com/wqzvh7qq
[20:48] <screen-x> chrome only takes one click to ignore a bad ssl cert, that's about 6 less annoying than FF.
[20:49] <jacobw> why does n1 always equal ~4000000, surely if c is an int and a blank is ascii decimal 32, c should equal the number of blanks in the input
[20:51] <screen-x> jacobw: I know nothing about c, but do you need {} for those if statements? Maybe a case statement would be better?
[20:54] <jacobw> don't need { } for a one line statement
[20:58] <jacobw> i always encounter strange problems with C/C++
[21:17] <gord> jacobw, you don't want to do n1, n2, n3 = 0
[21:17] <gord> jacobw, n1 and n2 are uninitialised that way
[21:17] <gord> thats why tabs and spaces are both crazy numbers
[21:22] <jacobw> ah, now I didn't know it worked that in C
[21:22] <jacobw> it works like that in Python :(
[21:24] <jacobw> so in C, if I want to set a common value to a series of variables I have to do
[21:24] <jacobw> n1 = 0;
[21:24] <jacobw> n2 = 0;
[21:24] <jacobw> etc
[21:25] <gord> New humble indie bundle on by the way, five games, all commercial quality all work on linux. pay what you want for them http://www.humblebundle.com/ (worth a re-tweet if your like popey and have a billion followers?)
[21:25] <gord> ^^ for charity too
[21:25] <Azelphur> gord: yay, I bought the first bundle myself
[21:26] <ali1234> int n1, n2, n3; n1 = n2 = n3 = 0;
[21:28] <gord> its worth noting that the average amount paid by windows users is $5.67, mac users is $7.65 and the mightly linux users pay $14.04
[21:28] <Azelphur> gord: similar happened last time
[21:29] <Azelphur> was pretty much the same numbers, I remember Linux paid just shy of twice mac users, and windows cheaped out
[21:29] <Azelphur> :)
[21:29] <popey> done Gary
[21:29] <popey> er gord
[21:30] <gord> \o/
[21:33] <jacobw> thanks gord, ali1234 :)
[21:33] <ali1234> http://pastebin.com/d47RgRrV
[21:37] <jacobw> ha, smartarse :)
[21:38] <Darael> ...That's one of the best comments I've ever entered an IRC room to.
[21:38] <Azelphur> Anyone here on orbital/vfast?
[21:38] <AlanBell> popey: are you still using unity?
[21:39] <popey> ya AlanBell
[21:40] <AlanBell> I am finding myself instead of going to the unity menu looking for a terminal so I can just type the program name I want
[21:40] <popey> i just ctrl+alt+t
[21:40] <popey> am used to that on gnome
[21:41] <zleap> cool thanks
[21:42] <AlanBell> not just me then
[21:46] <finster> hi all, anybody running 10.04 on their viglen mp-l ?
[21:47] <popey> hehe
[21:47] <popey> my viglen is switched off
[21:47] <gord> AlanBell, is this for starting stuff thats not in your launcher?
[21:48] <AlanBell> gord: I am on mutter unity
[21:48] <danfish> evening
[21:48] <danfish> finster: yup
[21:48] <AlanBell> and starting stuff that is somewhere in that applications page thing
[21:48] <popey> http://blogs.fsfe.org/myriam/?p=365
[21:48] <popey> that looks _really_ busy
[21:48] <popey> for "busy" read "fugly"
[21:48] <finster> i'm getting some very strange network issues on my viglen and am wondering if a recent update is causing them...
[21:48] <danfish> what sort of issues?
[21:49] <AlanBell> I don't quite know how things stay in the launcher/dock thing
[21:49] <AlanBell> not sure I want them to when not running really
[21:49] <ali1234> popey: believe it or not they have massivle improved it, this is what it used to look like: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/kdefail.png
[21:50] <popey> I love that you had that to hand ali1234 :)
[21:50] <gord> AlanBell, right, in natty places has been re-designed, user testing showed that it wasn't working for people. hopefully it'll suit you better
[21:50] <finster> danfish: errors running apt-get update, can't even wget anything.
[21:50] <gord> ali1234, right click, keep in launcher <-- you can check/uncheck things
[21:50] <gord> AlanBell, even
[21:50] <danfish> finster: can you do a dns lookup?
[21:50] <ali1234> popey: to hand? i made it :)
[21:51] <gord> AlanBell, at the very least, in natty using places to launch applications will be as easy as opening a terminal. but without the annoyance of having that terminal opened :)
[21:51] <popey> yeah, I know, I meant, you know :)
[21:51] <AlanBell> gord: why is Bazaar Notification always in the launcher?
[21:51] <ali1234> i know, i just sit here waiting for someone to mention kde, then i post it...
[21:53] <finster> danfish: yeah, pinging google.co.uk or whatever seems to work fine. but wget hangs at "HTTP request sent, awaiting response..."
[21:53] <ali1234> but lets face it, *all* kde apps are incredibly busy, to the point where they all look the same even if they do radically different things. because they all have to have side bars on both sides of the windows, toolbars at the top and the bottom, and the controls so you can rearrange every UI element in any way you want
[21:53] <gord> AlanBell, i'm assuming you have a bzr indicator? its in there because bamf (what we use for application matching) grabbed the indicator and presented it as a running application, its an edge case =\
[21:54] <danfish> finster: hmm, odd. No firewall or router settings have occured that you are aware of?
[21:55] <danfish> finster: setting changes I meant to say
[21:56] <finster> danfish: no, not that i can think of. mpc-l is plugged directly into my router, another ubuntu machine has no problem running the same commands. only seems to have started in the last few days. even re-installed 10.04 last night but still the same. very strange.
[21:57] <AlanBell> gord: yeah, I get libnotify messages for bzr commits
[21:58] <finster> danfish: here are the results of an "apt-get update". http://pastebin.com/uxBt4dVx
[21:58] <gord> AlanBell, if you feel like testing natty and that still happens, file a bug :)
[21:58] <danfish> I'll do an update on my MPC-L to try and replicate the problem
[22:00] <AlanBell> gord: yeah, I think I will have a play on USB soon and then upgrade
[22:00] <finster> danfish: ok - first I knew of a problem was when my TV failed to connect to miniDLNA on the viglen.
[22:02] <danfish> finster: hmm, no problem here. When you reinstalled 10.04 did you do a test of connection before installing anything else?
[22:03] <danfish> apt-cache search dlna
[22:04] <danfish> oops, wrong window :)
[22:04] <finster> danfish: http://sourceforge.net/projects/minidlna/ !
[22:05] <danfish> finster: Tx :) - was seeing if it's in the repos
[22:05] <finster> danfish: the strange thing is that i did a minimal install, where everything is downloaded over the network. very strange.
[22:08] <finster> danfish: btw, not installed minidlna yet - not installed anything additional at all out of the repos yet either - its a fresh install
[22:10]  * danfish is stumped
[22:11] <finster> hmmm. can't think of anything else to check. did it install a new kernel?
[22:12] <czajkowski> aloha
[22:12] <danfish> uname -r here gives me 2.6.32-26-386
[22:12] <danfish> czajkowski: enjoying Bath?
[22:12] <czajkowski> aye
[22:12] <czajkowski> it's very pretty
[22:13] <bigcalm> Ah, you found your way back then ;)
[22:13]  * bigcalm hugs czajkowski :)
[22:13] <finster> danfish: same here - 2.6.32-26-386. Suppose that points the finger at my network connection then?
[22:15] <danfish> finster: Probably :(
[22:15] <czajkowski> bigcalm: aye once I remmebered to cross the bridge I was ok
[22:15] <danfish> czajkowski: I you are looking for a good place to eat 2moro, I can recommend the Firehouse Rotisserie http://www.firehouserotisserie.co.uk
[22:16] <danfish> about standard prices for Bath
[22:16] <finster> danfish: yeah - can't think what it could be though - like I say, I have a crunchbox machine working absolutely fine, and its only a netgear router. anything else i could check on the viglen?
[22:17] <czajkowski> danfish: thanks
[22:17] <danfish> finster: using a static IP config? IP conflicts on the network?
[22:18] <finster> danfish: all using DHCP, assigned by the router by MAC addresses - has been working fine for months.
[22:20] <danfish> the only thing I can suggest is to give the viglen with a static IP and see if that makes a difference
[22:25] <finster> danfish: righto, will try and do that. i will have to wait for another night though as it will need moving out from the cupboard and connecting to a monitor/keyboard. thanks for the help anyway.
[22:26] <danfish> np. good luck. they are still useful boxes IMO
[22:28] <finster> danfish: yeah - love my viglen. although i've been tinkering with a dockstar that i got from amazon for £25 recently...
[22:29] <danfish> have you hacked it to run openwrt or some such?
[22:30] <Azelphur> Anyone here using/heard about vfast/orbital?
[22:30] <Azelphur> It looks really interesting, unlimited 10mbit wireless internet in quite a lot of areas
[22:32] <finster> danfish: yeah - was pretty easy to install "Plugapps linux" - runs samba, minidlna, apache, ssh etc...
[22:34] <Azelphur> http://www.speedtest.net/result/483501978.png their 10mbit seems to actually be 10mbit too
[22:34] <danfish> finster: looks interesting.....
[22:37] <finster> danfish: yeah, pretty good coupled with external usb storage. might get brought into service if i can't get the viglen running properly!
[22:44] <UtrinqueParatus> Grrrrr why do microsoft always make it difficult for me to stay the right side of copyright law!!!
[22:45] <zleap> lol
[22:45] <zleap> this is why i use ubuntu,  can't be bothered with all the license key nonsense
[22:45] <UtrinqueParatus> MSDN renewal cost £4981!!!
[22:46] <zleap> not to mention having to pay for virus scanners, endless popups
[22:46] <zleap> OUch,  why do you need that,
[22:46] <zleap> ubuntu launchpad membership =- FREE
[22:46] <UtrinqueParatus> I'm a contractor so I need to keep on top of the latest technologies and migration methods to stay ahead
[22:46] <zleap> :D
[22:47] <zleap> ah
[22:47] <UtrinqueParatus> unfortunately most companies are MS based
[22:47] <UtrinqueParatus> but i'm not paying £5k
[22:47] <zleap> they are locked in by microsoft
[22:47] <zleap> who then in crease their charges so they can make more profit
[22:47] <zleap> i don't blame you
[22:48] <zleap> can you not try and get people to use free software
[22:48] <UtrinqueParatus> its not as if i'm even using the software commercially it will be purely on a non-internet connected Vsphere cluster
[22:48] <UtrinqueParatus> for testing only
[22:48] <zleap> ah
[22:48] <UtrinqueParatus> they should have more tiered levels
[22:48] <zleap> what is it exactly
[22:48] <zleap> just testing out their newest software
[22:49] <zleap> microsoft are there to make money nothing else
[22:49] <UtrinqueParatus> yeah ms exchange migrations and integration and stuff
[22:49] <zleap> exchnage is expensive enough
[22:49] <UtrinqueParatus> i know
[22:49] <UtrinqueParatus> and i need all 3
[22:49] <UtrinqueParatus> 2k3 2k7 and 2k10
[22:50] <zleap> ah versions
[22:50] <zleap> you would think they would pay YOU to test stuff eh
[22:51] <moreati> UtrinqueParatus: would an msdn subscription cover your needs, or would it fall outside the licensing restrictions?
[22:51] <UtrinqueParatus> its just greed, they should allow people who are ms certified ( i.e me ) full access to their software for testing purposes only
[22:52] <UtrinqueParatus> msdn would thats what I am talking about my renewal just came around and is just under £5k
[22:53] <zleap> if you wrote back and said you can't afford it and that canonical have offered you something at less than a 1/4 what would they say,
[22:53] <zleap> also say clients are willing to look at alternatives
[22:53] <moreati> UtrinqueParatus: oh smeg, I understood it to be onyl £100/year or so
[22:54] <UtrinqueParatus> there is an operating system only one which is pretty cheap
[22:54] <UtrinqueParatus> but i need exchange, ocs, sql etc
[22:54] <zleap> ok
[22:55] <UtrinqueParatus> zleap, MS are too big to even care about my subscription fee being lost
[22:55] <zleap> so whatr is their attitude to saying you can't afford it
[22:55] <zleap> ah
[22:55] <UtrinqueParatus> they know that there wont be a significant amount of people willing to move away so its not an issue for them
[22:56] <zleap> not enough people know about the alternatives
[22:56] <zleap> which is the main problem
[22:57] <UtrinqueParatus> my renewal is just under 5k but to buy as a new customer its 3600
[22:57] <UtrinqueParatus> :(
[22:57] <zleap> ah,  sounds like a total con to me
[22:57] <zleap> usual scam
[22:57] <UtrinqueParatus> im still not paying that
[22:58] <UtrinqueParatus> i only paid 890 last year
[22:58] <zleap> so its gone up by a good few hundred percent then
[23:02] <moreati> Oh, I came to ask a question. I'm trying to alter one of the patches to netbeans in the source deb, and I'm confused by the various patch systems. I think the package is using dbs, and I can't work out how to either apply the patches so I can make my change and create a new patch, or just alter a single patch file. Any takers?
[23:02] <moreati> These are the patches under debian/patches
[23:03] <zleap> moreati, you could ask in #netbeans
[23:04] <moreati> zleap: It's not really a netbeans question, it's a debian/ubuntu packaging question
[23:04] <zleap> ah
[23:05] <zleap> try #debian just in case someone there can help,  it seems a bit quiet in here
[23:05] <moreati> zleap: good idea, I just hope I don't stir anti-ubuntu wrath :)
[23:07] <zleap> wel as you said its a debian question
[23:07] <moreati> but an ubuntu package :)
[23:07] <zleap> but i know what you mean
[23:08] <zleap> hmm
[23:09] <AlanBell> moreati: try #ubuntu-motu perhaps
[23:10] <moreati> AlanBell: cheers, will do
[23:19] <moreati> aha cdbs-edit-patch may be the answer
[23:38] <dutchie> cdbs-edit-patch is cool