[12:16] <bddebian> ajmitch: No, I think I'm losing the battle :'-(
[12:17] <Yagisan> Morning all
[12:18] <bddebian> Heya Yagisan
[12:22] <Yagisan> bddebian: are you familiar with automake ?
[12:22] <bddebian> Enough to be dangerous
[12:23] <Yagisan> bddebian: great, I'm not. Is there a  nice easy way to regenerate Makefile.am without me having to type in every single .h file ?
[12:23] <bddebian> Regenerate the Makefile.am?
[12:24] <Yagisan> bddebian: yeah. what it lists and what actually exist are rather different
[12:25] <bddebian> Oof.  I'm sure sure of an automated way to do that, sorry :-(
[12:27] <Yagisan> bddebian: my upstream for a not-yet-in-ubuntu project moved to a mac, and I get to be the lucky guy to get it going on linux again.
[12:27] <bddebian> Yagisan: Lucky you :-)
[12:31] <Yagisan> bddebian: yes lucky me :(
[12:41] <ajmitch> morning womble
[12:42] <womble> Morning ajmitch
[12:42] <womble> How are things in your part of the world?
[12:42] <ajmitch> fairly good
[12:42] <ajmitch> how about you?
[12:43] <Lathiat> hey guys
[12:44] <womble> Not too badly.  I'm at a client site for the next few weeks, doing unspeakable things to their systems.  The 2nd monitor they've given me to hook to my laptop is larger than my freaking TV
[12:44] <ajmitch> bddebian: make sure you give the right name when attributing patches :)
[12:44] <ajmitch> morning Lathiat
[12:44] <Lathiat> ajmitch: still in nz? :)
[12:44] <ajmitch> Lathiat: yes, did you expect me to have moved to .au?
[12:45] <Lathiat> ajmitch: we can only hope
[12:47] <ajmitch> sorry to disappoint, but I'm still in Dunedin :)
[01:22] <bddebian> ajmitch: Did I give the wrong name?  I was worried about that :-)
[01:23] <ajmitch> phil != phill ;)
[01:32] <bddebian> Bah
[01:33] <crimsun> it's ok, I was "David" for a while
[01:33] <bddebian> ajmitch: Can I just add an install file to a cdbs package to install a desktop file?
[01:33] <bddebian> Oh, Heya David
[01:40] <ajmitch> bddebian: ?
[01:40] <bddebian> ajmitch: gdpc is built with cdbs but has no install or files files, just a dirs file
[01:42] <LaserJock_away> bddebian: you could just do a dh_install in debian/rules, I think
[01:42] <jmg> hey all
[01:42] <ajmitch> hello jmg
[01:42] <jmg> anyone know how to set configure reprepro for a ubuntu repo?
[01:43] <jmg> i've been doing apt repositories the wrong way all this time
[01:43] <ajmitch> bddebian: in that case, just use a .install
[01:43] <jmg> specifically what Suite: and Codename: i use
[01:43] <ajmitch> can't say I've ever used reprepro
[01:44] <bddebian> I have, it works pretty well
[01:44] <jmg> bddebian: any hint?
[01:45] <bddebian> jmg: What are you having a problem with?
[01:46] <jmg> bddebian: how to configure it for ubuntu and for debian
[01:46] <jmg> bddebian: if that is even possible
[01:46] <jmg> bddebian: what values to use for Suite: and Codename:
[01:46] <bddebian> Oh, hmm
[01:49] <ajmitch> wonderful, a typical dunedin autumn day
[01:55] <jmg> Whee
[01:58] <paridempath> whats up yo
[01:58] <LaserJock> hi paridempath
[01:58] <paridempath> what's your story laserjock
[01:59] <LaserJock> what do you mean?
[01:59] <havoc> I think I asked this already, but how bad can I expect things to be if I install dapper now?
[01:59] <paridempath> what gets you out of bed in the morning
[01:59] <jmg> is locales horked?
[02:00] <LaserJock> havoc: no problems, dapper is perfect and you should put it on all your servers, now ;-)
[02:00] <havoc> heh
[02:01] <havoc> this would be going on my workstation
[02:01] <havoc> the machine I'm using now
[02:01] <LaserJock> I found it better than breezy was months ago so...
[02:01] <LaserJock> but it sorta depends
[02:01] <havoc> on?
[02:01] <havoc> it's under a freeze now, right?
[02:02] <havoc> mostly translations left?  or is there more?
[02:02] <crimsun> jmg: WFM
[02:02] <LaserJock> some people find some things that worked in brezzy don't work anymore, mostly old hardware issues I think
[02:02] <havoc> LaserJock: ah, strange
[02:03] <havoc> any examples?
[02:03] <havoc> like video cards?
[02:03] <havoc> or other crap?
[02:03] <LaserJock> well, I'm not sure but I thought I saw some printer and video cards
[02:03] <havoc> ok
[02:04] <LaserJock> pretty much stuff that isn't so much Dapper's problem as having newer software
[02:08] <jmg> crimsun: Wait For ME?
[02:08] <crimsun> works for me.
[02:09] <jmg> crimsun: im on ubuntu-minimal
[02:10] <crimsun> what's broken?
[02:10] <crimsun> this should probably be addressed in #ubuntu+1
[02:12] <jmg> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[02:13] <crimsun> jmg: that's not broken, that has always existed. Thank Perl.
[02:13] <crimsun> gah, ECHANNEL
[02:46] <theCore> uh? I'm an op
[02:48] <Se7h> \o/ yay
[03:07] <Unfrgiven> slomo_: hey dude
[03:09] <LaserJock> hi Unfrgiven
[03:09] <LaserJock> and slomo_
[03:25] <Unfrgiven> hey LaserJock
[03:25] <Unfrgiven> LaserJock: hows things?
[03:40] <Unfrgiven> LaserJock: I saw the changes you made to the packaging guide regarding pbuilder. They look good. Just one thing, there is no description of what "<distro>
[03:41] <Unfrgiven> LaserJock: "<distro>" needs to be substituted.
[03:41] <Unfrgiven> LaserJock: I propose we put an informational message saying "dapper" or the next release codename once it is known.
[03:43] <LaserJock> Unfrgiven: good point
[04:00] <ajmitch> afternoon
[04:00] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[04:00] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[04:59] <jmg> !seen hunger
[05:01] <ajmitch> no bot like that in here
[05:06] <Tm_T> ajmitch: but here is
[05:07] <Tm_T> jmg: haven't been here in last 48 hours
[05:07] <LaserJock> hmm, anybody know where the default Dapper background is for gnome?
[05:08] <crimsun> crimsun@garnish:~$ dpkg -L ubuntu-artwork|grep warty
[05:08] <crimsun> /usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png
[05:08] <crimsun> /usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ws-ubuntu.png
[05:08] <Tm_T> :)
[05:09] <crimsun> hi bddebian :)
[05:09] <bddebian> :-)
[05:09] <LaserJock> warty?
[05:10] <crimsun> LaserJock: yes, warty.
[05:10] <crimsun> that probably dates me, but..
[05:10] <Tm_T> hehe
[05:12] <LaserJock> well, it worked, so whatever
[05:55] <bddebian> LaserJock: Still awake?
[05:58] <LaserJock> yep\
[05:58] <LaserJock> still working on the floor :-)
[05:58] <bddebian> Bah, floor :-)
[05:59] <bddebian> Who is Zygmunt?
[05:59] <LaserJock> hmm, not sure
[06:00] <LaserJock> bddebian: you know, you should get honorary MOTUScience membership for this ;-)
[06:01] <LaserJock> bddebian: is Zygnmunt on a bug report?
[06:03] <LaserJock> bddebian: oh zyga, I think he was around for a Hug Day
[06:06] <bddebian> Oh yeah zyga, OK
[06:06] <bddebian> He just says he is on a couple of these bugs so I didn't want to step on any toes :-)
[06:27] <ajmitch> bddebian: rebuilt the universe for .desktop love?
[06:27] <LaserJock> ajmitch: yeah, the key is to file a bug for everything. then he goes and does it
[06:27] <ajmitch> will do the sort & upload
[06:27] <ajmitch> LaserJock: ah right
[06:28] <ajmitch> I knew I must be doing something wrong
[06:29] <bddebian> Huh?  What'd I do wrong now?
[06:29] <LaserJock> bddebian: the key to getting you to do all the work
[06:34] <LaserJock> dang it, how does bddebian do it. I was within 1000 a couple days ago. now he has almost doubled me :/
[06:35] <bddebian> I have no life :-)
[06:35] <LaserJock> hmm, I wish I didn't ;-)
[06:41] <chillywilly> yo
[06:41] <bddebian> Heya chillywilly
[06:42] <Hobbsee> hi
[06:42] <bddebian> Hello Hobbsee
[06:43] <crimsun> what hardware?
[06:44] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[06:44] <Hobbsee> hi LaserJock
[06:44] <Hobbsee> crimsun: which in particular?  forgotten how to find it
[06:44] <Hobbsee> give me a sec...then i'll need help :P
[06:44] <ajmitch> hello
[06:45] <ajmitch> LaserJock: simple reason, see the wiki
[06:45] <bddebian> ?
[06:46] <ajmitch> BddebianIsAGod
[06:46] <bddebian> Bah
[06:47] <bddebian> I gotta delete that freakin' page
[06:47] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[06:48] <LaserJock> ajmitch: yeah, yeah. I should have know better
[06:49] <LaserJock> bddebian: are you looking for other bugs in the packages?
[06:50] <ajmitch> bddebian: it'll just come back
[06:50] <ajmitch> how's it going, Hobbsee ?
[06:51] <Hobbsee> good, got stopped at almost every single darned traffic light coming home from uni - when i was tryign to miss the schoolzones
[06:52] <ajmitch> lucky :)
[06:53] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yes, where feasable
[06:54] <LaserJock> I wonder how well bzr would work for the doc team repo
[06:54] <bddebian> OK, 1am is late enough for this old fart, I gotta work tomorrow.  Later folks
[06:54] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:54] <ajmitch> LaserJock: very well
[06:54] <ajmitch> bddebian: slacker
[06:54] <LaserJock> cya bddebian , thanks for all the work
[06:54] <Unfrgiven> bddebian: gnite
[06:54] <ajmitch> good night bddebian  :)
[06:54] <bddebian> ajmitch: Yeah, no kidding :-)
[06:55] <bddebian> LaserJock: NP
[06:56] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: is there a GUI for bzr yet?
[06:58] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: not that I'm aware of
[06:58] <ajmitch> ok, time for me to wander off & talk to someone about ubuntu :)
[06:59] <Hobbsee> ooh fun
[06:59] <Hobbsee> dont talk - just install the thing :P
[06:59] <ajmitch> that's what I'm talking to him about
[06:59] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: u at work?
[06:59] <ajmitch> since it's not your normal pc
[06:59] <ajmitch> bbl
[07:01] <Hobbsee> yes, dotn talk - install it, then let him play - no talking required
[07:46] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: the talking required was to sort out price
[07:46] <Hobbsee> ah...
[07:46] <Hobbsee> good price, or bad price?
[07:46] <Hobbsee> and who gets the money, for that matter...
[07:46] <ajmitch> good for me
[07:46] <ajmitch> I would
[07:46] <Hobbsee> nice - well done!
[07:47] <Hobbsee> so you have the deal now, or is it still in the "deciding" phase?
[07:47] <ajmitch> deciding, then the initial phase
[07:47] <ajmitch> then after a couple of weeks or less, we see what happens from there
[07:48] <Hobbsee> *nods*
[07:48] <Hobbsee> cool
[07:49] <ajmitch> but it could end up consuming a bit of my time
[07:49] <Hobbsee> this is good, or bad?
[07:49] <Hobbsee> i guess good, if it's about ubuntu as well, so you'll be learning more of it anyway
[07:49] <ajmitch> good
[07:50] <ajmitch> in that I'd be employed
[07:50] <Hobbsee> you can be a form of cri*msum - knowing everything and everything about a particular few areas :P
[07:50] <Hobbsee> yeah, very good with that!
[07:50] <ajmitch> argh, he spelt my name wrong
[07:55] <LaserJock> hi dholbach
[07:55] <dholbach> heya LaserJock!
[07:56] <ajmitch> hey dholbach!
[07:56] <dholbach> good morning motu world!
[07:57] <ajmitch> dholbach: fyi, I've already done a rebuild of the libssl0.9.7 depending packages, you want me to upload those that Just Work? :)
[07:57] <dholbach> ajmitch:sounds like a good idea
[07:58] <ajmitch> I should talk to siretart about setting up sbuild
[07:58] <Hobbsee> hi dholbach
[07:58] <dholbach> heya Hobbsee!
[07:58] <dholbach> how are you all doing?
[07:59] <LaserJock> crimsun is doing a wonderfull proofreading job on the Packaging Guide right now
[08:00] <ajmitch> dholbach: I *might* get a job soon ;)
[08:00] <dholbach> ajmitch:rock on!
[08:00] <dholbach> ajmitch: that's great news
[08:00] <ajmitch> there's potential for it, anyway
[08:00] <ajmitch> ubuntu-related, too
[08:02] <siretart> morning folks
[08:02] <jmg> http://debian.thoughtcrime.co.nz/ubuntu/
[08:03] <LaserJock> hi siretart
[08:03] <siretart> dholbach: I'll be on vac this week and return this weekend
[08:03] <jmg> ajmitch: you mean we'll hire you? :)
[08:03] <dholbach> siretart: oh nice... so you finished all your work and can relax a bit now?
[08:03] <jmg> ajmitch: or someone else?
[08:04] <ajmitch> jmg: you can hire me if you want :)
[08:04] <siretart> dholbach: I'd suggest that you either approve uvf requests with 2 voices, of find a vacation replacement ;)
[08:04] <ajmitch> but I don't recall being contacted by your HR dept yet :)
[08:04] <ajmitch> siretart: you're going away?
[08:05] <siretart> dholbach: sort of. I think I worked on most of my backlog of work
[08:05] <siretart> ajmitch: I'll return this weekend
[08:05] <siretart> ajmitch: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SbuildLVMHowto
[08:05] <ajmitch> siretart: thanks
[08:05] <dholbach> siretart: nice... where are you going for VAC? :)
[08:05] <siretart> dholbach: vienna :)
[08:05] <ajmitch> siretart: I hope you enjoy it
[08:06] <dholbach> siretart: I really should go there too... I didn't visit my sister yet :/
[08:06] <ajmitch> siretart: what's your current thoughts on zope-zwiki?
[08:06] <dholbach> siretart: but have a good time down there!
[08:06] <siretart> ajmitch: then setup schroot to use a chroot on a plain subdir or a file (tarball, like pbuilder)
[08:06] <siretart> ajmitch: plain subdir chroots (traditional chroots) won't give you session management, though
[08:06] <ajmitch> hm, I see we're just waiting on slomo for zope-zwiki now
[08:06] <ajmitch> schroot on a file will?
[08:06] <siretart> ajmitch: I agree with dholbach, let's do that fast, so that we find bugs early
[08:07] <siretart> ajmitch: I think so, but I never tried that
[08:07] <ajmitch> ok
[08:07] <siretart> it is mentioned in the schroot.conf(5)
[08:07] <ajmitch> it might make my mass rebuilds a bit cleaner than just processing a list through pbuilder
[08:08] <LaserJock> I've got a couple general UVF/FF exception questions.
[08:08] <siretart> ajmitch: I use it on lvm, because I got new harddisks. if you want to extend it for schroot-file backend, just extend the wiki page. it might interest more ppl
[08:09] <LaserJock> I requested a sync for a new package before FF but it got stuck in the sync black hole, do I need a FF exception now to get it in?
[08:10] <ajmitch> siretart: I've got new hard drives as well, using LVM on RAID
[08:10] <siretart> ajmitch: the traditional sbuild mode is 'split' mode. that means that you have a 'normal' chroot, but use apt and dpkg from the host
[08:11] <siretart> ajmitch: exactly my setup. there is nothing faster than lvm snapshots on a raid 1 :)
[08:11] <Mithrandir> siretart: no, new packages in universe is fine.  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2006-March/005107.html
[08:13] <LaserJock> dholbach: did the FF process get worked out? Do we need to do bug reports?
[08:13] <ajmitch> siretart: probably not, but my main build volume is 450GB RAID0 :)
[08:14] <LaserJock> so is LVM faster than non-LVM?
[08:15] <dholbach> LaserJock: sorry, I don't know
[08:15] <siretart> LaserJock: creating an snapshot on my machine is about 2 secs, extracting a pbuilder tarball about 20seks
[08:16] <siretart> LaserJock: removing the tarball takes longer as well than removing the lvm snapshot (which works with cow techniques)
[08:16] <ajmitch> LaserJock: afaik there's no current process for FF exceptions - I'd think that handling it in the same wasy as UVF would make sense
[08:20] <LaserJock> hmm, I wonder if the new sync process essentially would cover that. If I make a sync request, somebody on the ubuntu-archive team has to OK it
[08:21] <Lathiat> you could also use unionfs yeh?
[08:21] <Lathiat> with a tmpfs
[08:21] <Lathiat> also pbuilder-uml can do COW
[08:28] <ajmitch> Lathiat: you can't build too much on tmpfs
[08:29] <ajmitch> I'd hate to think how it'd go building firefox or oo.o
[08:30] <Lathiat> thats what lots of swap is for
[08:30] <Lathiat> :)
[08:30] <Lathiat> or even a disk image to unionfs too :)
[08:31] <Gloubiboulga> dholbach, I have a gnome-translate package (almost) ready, is ubuntu-desktop still interested in it?
[08:31] <dholbach> sounds nice
[08:31] <ajmitch> Lathiat: bah, I don't have any swap & I intend to keep it that way :)
[08:33] <Gloubiboulga> dholbach, ok, I just have to add a man page, and I'll dput it on REVU
[08:33] <dholbach> nice work - cool
[08:35] <Hobbsee> bye all!
[08:38] <cbx33> hi all
[08:43] <cbx33> I'm trying to edit some documentation in the form of a man page
[08:43] <cbx33> there is currently a .sgml and a .8 file
[08:44] <cbx33> which one do i need to edit, does the .sgml create the .8 file by converting|
[08:46] <jabra> for the package nvidia-glx in dapper has it been updated yet?
[08:47] <LaserJock> cbx33: yes, you can create the man page from the .sgml
[08:47] <cbx33> ok...I'll edit the sgml....
[08:47] <allee> cbx33: edit the .sgml file.   Have a look at the rules file. Try 'debuild clean' and the .8 file should be deleted
[08:47] <cbx33> do i use the sgml2txt function there?
[08:47] <cbx33> ok
[08:48] <cbx33> thank you
[08:48] <jabra> guess it does
[08:49] <allee> cbx33: docbook2x-man
[08:49] <cbx33> thank you
[09:03] <cbx33> w00t...
[09:48] <ajmitch> great to see kubuntu rumours going round & getting completely blown out of proportion
[09:48] <ajmitch> poor Riddell :)
[09:49] <freeflying> ajmitch where is the rumours about kubuntu ?
[09:50] <ajmitch> freeflying: various crappy 'news' sites
[09:51] <ajmitch> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1917 for some actual info
[09:51] <KillerKiwi2005> is there a list of packages waiting for inclusion for ubuntu?
[09:51] <freeflying> ajmitch got it ,thx
[09:52] <ajmitch> KillerKiwi2005: what do you mean by waiting for inclusion?
[09:53] <KillerKiwi2005> im looking at http://sax.berlios.de/ and wonadering if its slated to make it into ubuntu at any time
[09:53] <ajmitch> packages that have been started & are being reviewed get uploaded to revu.tauware.de, so check there first
[09:53] <ajmitch> otherwise we don't know if some people decide to package stuff by themselves & not tell us
[09:55] <KillerKiwi2005> ajmitch: kind of stange, nothing on x config in luanchpad or wiki as far as i can tell
[10:23] <Toadstool> hi here
[10:43] <Gloubiboulga> Hi there
[10:44] <Gloubiboulga> I have an issue when building gnome-translate with pbuilder: http://pastebin.com/650909
[10:44] <Gloubiboulga> I don't really know how I can handle this, any idea?
[10:44] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: ping
[10:44] <Unfrgiven> slomo_: ping
[10:45] <slomo_> Unfrgiven: pong
[10:45] <Unfrgiven> slomo_: i take it meebey didnt upload MD 0.10?
[10:45] <Unfrgiven> slomo_: to debian i meant
[10:46] <slomo_> Unfrgiven: nope... upstream does insane things :) we spent most of the time to find a solution for the stetic binary they have in their tarball without any sources...
[10:46] <Unfrgiven> slomo_: ugghhhh. binary? dodgy dodgy
[10:47] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: pong - hey! :)
[10:48] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: how r u?
[10:48] <slomo_> Unfrgiven: it's not the first one :) but for the other's we have the things already packaged... well, we will package this with the binary for now and tell people in debian/copyright that the sources can be retrieved from mono svn... i think the package may be ready soon :)
[10:48] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: fine thanks... how are you?
[10:48] <slomo_> hi daniel :)
[10:48] <dholbach> hey slomo_ :)
[10:48] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: good good. ive had some time on my hands so ive been getting involved again
[10:49] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: good to have you back :)
[10:49] <lifeless> slomo_: thats really not good enough if its GPL licenced
[10:50] <slomo_> lifeless: i know... but it's MIT licensed
[10:50] <lifeless> k
[10:51] <slomo_> lifeless: otherwise i would've thrown some stones at them :) (and GPLed libraries are bad anyway)
[10:53] <lifeless> slomo_: they aren't 'bad' per se IMO. Just hard for some folk to use
[10:54] <ajmitch> hi lifeless, slomo_
[10:54] <slomo_> hi ajmitch
[10:54] <lifeless> hija
[11:02] <ajmitch> dholbach: so what do you say to having zope 2.9 in dapper? ;)
[11:03] <ajmitch> 2.7 is getting removed from debian
[11:03] <dholbach> ajmitch: please ask doko for that
[11:03] <ajmitch> he'll possibly just tell me to deal with it, being universe
[11:03] <doko> ajmitch: dude, you're member of the zope team as well ;)
[11:04] <Unfrgiven> slomo_: so are they going to release the source for stetic?
[11:04] <ajmitch> doko: yeah, but dholbach wants me to pass everything by you :)
[11:04] <dholbach> we can't possibly say "we tested it", can we?
[11:04] <dholbach> ajmitch: hm? I just have no clue about it and trust other people's advice
[11:04] <doko> ajmitch: talk with fabio, he did want to prepare a list of packages to sync
[11:04] <slomo_> Unfrgiven: it's in svn
[11:05] <ajmitch> ok
[11:05] <slomo_> Unfrgiven: http://svn.myrealbox.com/viewcvs/trunk/stetic
[11:05] <Unfrgiven> slomo_: cool.
[11:13] <ajmitch> sigh, more code that just fails on amd64
[11:44] <zakame> hi all
[11:44] <infinito> has anyone a second to review this? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2255
[11:44] <Gloubiboulga> hey zakame
[11:44] <nomed> hi all
[11:45] <nomed> hey Gloubiboulga
[11:45] <nomed> one question .. i get this W
[11:45] <nomed> old-fsf-address-in-copyright-file <--
[11:45] <nomed> ?
[11:45] <Gloubiboulga> hi nomed
[11:45] <Gloubiboulga> it's not a big issue
[11:46] <Gloubiboulga> if the sources headers use an adress, just keep the same in the debian/copyright file
[11:46] <zakame> hey Gloubiboulga
[11:47] <Toadstool> heya zakame
[11:47] <zakame> hello Toadstool
[11:48] <Gloubiboulga> nomed, but you can ping upstream and propose them to update the adress ;)
[11:48] <nomed> i guess it 's what i'll do :)
[11:48] <zakame> nomed: just ping upstream, it's not really your problem :)
[11:48] <zakame> nomed: of course, feel free to submit a patch :)
[11:49] <nomed> zakame, yep
[11:50] <nomed> one more question ..
[11:50] <nomed> i have this libfoo11
[11:50] <nomed> of course they don't really conflicts with libfoo10 ...
[11:50] <nomed> but once you've installed the newer one ..
[11:50] <nomed> the v 10 is not really needed ..
[11:51] <nomed> should i add a conflicts entry ?
[11:51] <Toadstool> nomed: I think a Replaces: is a better option but I'm not an expert ;)
[11:52] <zakame> nomed: does libfoo11 obsolete the older version?
[11:52] <ajmitch> hey koke
[11:52] <Gloubiboulga> infinito, I can't find this package in ubuntu, is this the first release?
[11:52] <koke> hi all!
[11:52] <zakame> hey ajmitch koke
[11:53] <ajmitch> hey zakame, how's it going/
[11:53] <zakame> ajmitch: just committed a fix for malone 38619
[11:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38619 in balsa "FTBFS: using deprecated GNOME_PARAM_POPT_TABLE" [Major,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38619
[11:53] <nomed> zakame, the problem is that it may be possible user has some bin .. that he wrote
[11:53] <nomed> that could need those libs ..
[11:54] <ajmitch> zakame: nice :)
[11:54] <nomed> that's why i just added a replaces entry ..
[11:54] <nomed> but in most of the cases i guess users should consider old libs obsolete
[11:55] <nomed> i do not really know what to do here ..
[11:56] <zakame> bbl
[11:56] <ajmitch> nomed: Replaces is only meant to be used when there's some file overlap between packages
[11:58] <ajmitch> nomed: also libraries are meant to be parallel installable, so you shouldn't need to have a newer lib conflict/replace the older
[11:58] <ajmitch> a fun doc to read is the debian library packaging guide
[11:58] <nomed> ajmitch, perfect so it's fine as it is :)
[12:00] <ugner> is it true about kubuntu?
[12:01] <ajmitch> ugner: do you mean the wild & completely unsubstantiated rumours?
[12:02] <ajmitch> or what 'it' do you refer to?
[12:02] <ugner> ajmitch: how unsubstantiated and how rumoural can they be when the site itself is offline??
[12:03] <ajmitch> www.kubuntu.org is online as usual
[12:03] <ugner> ajmitch: i mean, isn't that a proof?
[12:03] <ajmitch> a proof of what? :)
[12:05] <ajmitch> either way, this really is off-topic for here
[12:08] <infinito> Gloubiboulga: yes, its the first release for ubuntu
[12:10] <Gloubiboulga> infinito, ok, then 1 changelog entry is enough :)
[12:11] <Gloubiboulga> and the version should be 0.7.0-0ubuntu1
[12:11] <Gloubiboulga> raphink, ping
[12:11] <infinito> Gloubiboulga: oups, sorry.. i was doing .debs for downloading from my site since 0.1...
[12:11] <raphink> Gloubiboulga: pong
[12:11] <Gloubiboulga> raphink, hello
[12:11] <raphink> hi Gloubiboulga
[12:11] <Gloubiboulga> tu pourrais lancer revu-report sur laptoptemp stp ?
[12:12] <raphink> ok
[12:12] <raphink> atta
[12:12] <Gloubiboulga> thx
[12:12] <raphink> je te fais a
[12:12] <raphink> c parti
[12:12] <Gloubiboulga> :)
[12:13] <ugner> ajmitch: where is this topic on topic?
[12:13] <infinito> Gloubiboulga: i'm gonna upload right now a version with correct changelog
[12:14] <Gloubiboulga> infinito, just a minute
[12:14] <infinito> Gloubiboulga: ok
[12:15] <Gloubiboulga> infinito, you can bump debhelper version to >=5.0.0
[12:16] <infinito> Gloubiboulga: debhelper >=5.0.0 done
[12:17] <raphink> Gloubiboulga: done
[12:17] <Gloubiboulga> raphink, thanks :)
[12:18] <infinito> Gloubiboulga: anything else i should change?
[12:18] <Gloubiboulga> infinito, I check a last little thing :)
[12:19] <Gloubiboulga> err, I can't dl the .deb :/
[12:20] <infinito> Gloubiboulga: i can't neither... something about permissions... but i think is not my fault...
[12:20] <Gloubiboulga> infinito, no, it's not your fault :)
[12:20] <ugner> ajmitch: and what is to be done about that? i love ubuntu and i would like it to be so easy for me too to say they are just rumours.
[12:21] <Gloubiboulga> infinito, I'm not a MOTU, so I can't advocate, and MOTUs might have more comments
[12:22] <Gloubiboulga> but your package looks great imo
[12:22] <infinito> Gloubiboulga: thanks
[12:22] <Gloubiboulga> ah, found some other issues :/
[12:24] <Gloubiboulga> infinito, you've set arch 'all', but it should be 'any' instead
[12:24] <infinito> Gloubiboulga: uops
[12:24] <Gloubiboulga> it's not pure python
[12:25] <infinito> it's pure python code using autotools to build
[12:25] <Gloubiboulga> and dh_python isn't called in the rules, so ${python:Depends} doesn't work
[12:27] <infinito> Gloubiboulga: so should i add dh_python to the rules?
[12:27] <cbx33> bbl guys with my FIRST BUG FIX :D
[12:28] <Gloubiboulga> infinito, yes
[12:28] <ugner> "a number of Kubuntu developers are complaining that Canonical is not answering their requests"
[12:28] <Gloubiboulga> it's not called using the cdbs gnome class IIRC
[12:30] <infinito> so just adding "dh_python" to the rules file works?
[12:30] <Gloubiboulga> depends on what "just adding" means to you ;)
[12:31] <Gloubiboulga> you have to call it during the binary-install rule
[12:31] <Mithrandir> hub: iirc, you no longer has the hardware you used when filing https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/21163 ?
[12:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 21163 in xkeyboard-config xserver-xorg "can't use proper modifier with custom keymap" [Normal,Needs info]
[12:32] <infinito> Gloubiboulga: i don't have too much knowledge about rules file...
[12:33] <Gloubiboulga> infinito, have you read the cdbs documentation?
[12:33] <Gloubiboulga> it helps a lot :)
[12:33] <Gloubiboulga> and have a look at some cdbs packages standing on REVU maybe
[12:34] <Gloubiboulga> raphink's packages are good exemples :)
[12:34] <Toadstool> for simple packages, cdbs is really easy to use and there's a lot of examples ;)
[12:36] <infinito> Gloubiboulga: i've just added this: binary-install/laptoptemp:: dh_python -plaptoptemp
[12:36] <infinito> is that enough?
[12:37] <Gloubiboulga> infinito, it should be enough :)
[12:37] <infinito> Gloubiboulga: great
[12:38] <Gloubiboulga> infinito, a last thing, .pyc files should be removed from the package I think
[12:39] <infinito> ummm
[12:40] <infinito> Gloubiboulga: i'm not sure how to tell autotools not to compile the python files...
[12:41] <Gloubiboulga> infinito, you can compile the files, that's not the problem
[12:41] <Gloubiboulga> you just have to remove the pyc file from the package after the build
[12:42] <Gloubiboulga> http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ch-module_packages.html chapter 2.5
[12:44] <infinito> that manual says using dh_python the pyc files should be removed automatically
[12:44] <infinito> in fact, it does work, adding dh_python cleans the pyc files :)
[12:45] <Gloubiboulga> nice :) I didn't know that
[12:46] <infinito> just one more question...
[12:46] <freeflying> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2258
[12:47] <freeflying> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2259
[12:47] <infinito> why with Architecture: any when building i get _i386 package instead of _all package?
[12:47] <freeflying> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2261
[12:47] <freeflying> looking for reviewer
[12:47] <Mithrandir> because that's what arch: any means.
[12:49] <infinito> Mithrandir: so if i want other architectur pkgs, what should i do?
[12:49] <Mithrandir> infinito: they'll be _amd64 packages if you build on amd64, etc.
[12:50] <infinito> Mithrandir: aps, ok... but no way to cross-build them on i386?
[12:52] <Mithrandir> infinito: no, why would you want to?
[12:52] <infinito> Mithrandir: for example, to put some .debs for users on my site (amd64, i386, ppc)
[12:54] <Mithrandir> infinito: you could always try playing around with qemu or something, but I'd recommend just getting them compiled on the correct hardware.
[12:54] <infinito> Mithrandir: ok, thanks for the info ;)
[01:00] <infinito> does anyone know why the .orig.tar.gz has not been uploaded to revu with the other files? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2262
[01:05] <infinito> Gloubiboulga: to upload using dput the .orig.tar.gz what should i do?
[01:06] <Gloubiboulga> infinito, try with the -f flag
[01:07] <infinito> Gloubiboulga: ummm the .sources file doesn't include the .orig in its files section
[01:08] <freeflying> infinito: debuild -S -sa
[01:09] <infinito> freeflying: thank u very much ;)
[01:09] <freeflying> infinito:  :)
[01:12] <freeflying> infinito: maybe u can add watch file
[01:12] <infinito> freeflying: ok, im gonna do it
[01:23] <infinito> freeflying, Gloubiboulga: could you take a look at the pkg now please? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2265
[01:29] <freeflying> infinito: W: laptoptemp: old-fsf-address-in-copyright-file
[01:32] <infinito> freeflying: where can i find the new address??
[01:32] <freeflying> infinito: quote it from the latest GPL license file
[01:33] <Unfrgiven> im trying to edit my apt/sources.list inside my pbuilder environment. so i use pbuilder login. but when I exit, it reverts my changes. ive forgotten how to make it save them. i think it had to do with the return code. does anyone know?
[01:35] <Yagisan> Unfrgiven: I just edit them in /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/sources.list and do a sudo pbuilder create
[01:35] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: --save-after-login
[01:36] <Unfrgiven> Yagisan: i haven't configured my pbuilder to use /etc/pbuilder/apt.config.
[01:36] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: ah thats it. thanks!
[01:37] <Yagisan> Unfrgiven: but I have an apt-cacher setup to save me downloading the debs for every box here
[01:38] <Unfrgiven> Yagisan: I use apt-proxy :)
[01:38] <infinito> freeflying: ok, fixed the copyright file
[01:38] <freeflying> infinito: use debuild again for check
[01:38] <infinito> freeflying: done and uploaded
[01:39] <infinito> freeflying: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2267
[01:39] <Yagisan> Unfrgiven: I tried that, but it was slower then a direct download on the p2 233 server I set it up on.
[01:39] <freeflying> infinito: you need motu's review
[01:40] <Gloubiboulga> dholbach, gnome-translate is on REVU
[01:40] <Gloubiboulga> it was longer than expected :/
[01:40] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: nice - could you write to ubuntu-desktop@?
[01:40] <infinito> so any motu has time to review this? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2267
[01:41] <Gloubiboulga> dholbach, sure, asking for a review?
[01:41] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: yeah... i'm quite busy atm, so that'd be the best place to ask for comments
[01:41] <freeflying> dholbach is around , infinito you may ask him fo review
[01:41] <Gloubiboulga> dholbach, ok
[01:41] <dholbach> freeflying: i'm too busy, sorry.
[01:41] <freeflying> dholbach: hehe  :)
[01:42] <freeflying> dholbach: seems we are lack of motu's review now :)
[01:43] <dholbach> freeflying: that particular bit was always problematic
[01:43] <dholbach> and even more so in a time, when people are focusing on getting bugs fixed for release
[01:43] <Yagisan> yep. Hopefully after release there may be some reviewers with some free time
[01:45] <azeem> automake is mostly "list all .c files in SOURCES and all .h files in HEADERS"
[01:47] <infinito> one question... if a pkg is accepted on universe, what should i do everytime there's a new upstream version?
[01:47] <Yagisan> azeem: I know. I get to update automake files where a large portion of the source it refers to ins now gone, replaced by new source, with different names and places.
[01:48] <Yagisan> azeem: I just wist I could automate this more
[01:48] <Yagisan> s/wist/wish
[01:48] <azeem> this sounds like a hopefully infrequent enough incident to warrant automating
[01:51] <Yagisan> azeem: nope. I'm helping upstream identify, purge and rewrite non-gpl compatible code in in their project and it will take awhile. And now I'm the only linux user interested, so I get to inherit the automake stuff.
[01:51] <azeem> heh :-/
[01:58] <infinito> Gloubiboulga: does it look ok to you now? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2267
[02:01] <Gloubiboulga> infinito, checking, but you'll have to find a MOTU to advocate it
[02:01] <infinito> Gloubiboulga: thanks :)
[02:06] <ugner> is it true about kubuntu?
[02:06] <azeem> "it"?
[02:07] <freeflying> ugner: what's your mean
[02:08] <Yagisan> ugner: don't know, don't care. Go ask the kubuntu people.
[02:09] <azeem> ugner: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1917
[02:10] <ugner> Yagisan: what the heck do you mean? isn't this KUBUNTU? is kubuntu not ubuntu???
[02:10] <jmg> whats the email address to send to revu to get an account created?
[02:10] <ugner> freeflying: osnews says ubuntu is dropping kubuntu
[02:11] <ajmitch> jmg<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or ask someone like me
[02:11] <tseng> "Don't believe everything you see in osnews"
[02:11] <azeem> ugner: please read http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1917
[02:11] <tseng> is a good idea.
[02:11] <ajmitch> tseng: s/every/any/
[02:11] <ugner> azeem: thank you
[02:11] <ugner> tseng: osnews is a very interesting site
[02:11] <freeflying> ugner: rumour
[02:11] <ajmitch> a very very shoddy site, worse than slashdot most days
[02:11] <Yagisan> ugner: what I mean is, we here, care about all of ubuntu, in universe and multiverse. We don't care for rumours. You should have gotten the hint by now, but it seems you haven't.
[02:11] <ugner> freeflying: then why did they go offline?
[02:12] <ajmitch> ugner: didn't I tell you before that kubuntu.org is still up & running and has always been?
[02:12] <ugner> Yagisan: i thought you were implying kubuntu was not supported by ubuntu, which anoyed me, as i love kubuntu
[02:12] <tseng> ugner: it may be interesting, but it is full of exagerations and rumor mongering
[02:12] <ugner> ajmitch: i am talking about .de!
[02:12] <tseng> ugner: any other news is just a link to another site.
[02:12] <freeflying> ugner: it's just kubuntu.de not kubuntu.org
[02:12] <ugner> ajmitch: wasn't that obvious??
[02:13] <ugner> freeflying: yes, but kubuntu.de MATTERS
[02:13] <azeem> ugner: not in here, though
[02:13] <ugner> tseng: oh, i see
[02:13] <ugner> tseng: then why do they take it offline?
[02:13] <ajmitch> ugner: and isn't it obvious that kubuntu.de isn't canonical, and them deciding to pack up their toys doesn't imply anything at all about support?
[02:13] <ajmitch> ugner: ask them
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[02:13] <jmg>     user (in reply to RCPT TO command)
[02:14] <jmg> broken mta :)
[02:14] <ugner> azeem: do we hate kde? do the motu hate kde? why wouldn't kubuntu matter in here?
[02:14] <azeem> ugner: kubuntu.de does not matter here
[02:14] <Yagisan> ugner: I'm hoping this is just a language issue
[02:14] <ugner> ajmitch: we are a community. we are not cannonical.
[02:14] <ajmitch> ugner: you're jumping to all sorts of erroneous conclusions
[02:14] <azeem> ugner: bring it up to the community council if you want, this channel is about universe maintenance
[02:14] <ajmitch> jmg: sorry<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:14] <ugner> ajmitch: anything that's happening bad affects us
[02:15] <ugner> ajmitch: i don't use kubuntu because i love cannonical
[02:15] <ajmitch> jmg: but I'm just going to read the mail to get your key ID anyway
[02:15] <jmg> ajmitch: i use a different key for signing
[02:15] <jmg> ajmitch: that's on my build box
[02:15] <ajmitch> jmg: yes, but you have to tell me the key id anyway
[02:15] <jmg> ok, ill do it tomorrow...
[02:16] <ugner> Yagisan: language issue? what are you refering to, more exactly? (english is not my first or second language)
[02:16] <ajmitch> and that public key has to be on a keyserver
[02:16] <Yagisan> ugner: we care for the *packages* in universe and multiverse. gnome, kde, xfcem windowmaker, ncurses, sdl, whatever. last time I checked kubuntu.de was not a package.
[02:16] <ugner> azeem: please recommend me a better channel
[02:16] <jmg> #ubuntu?
[02:16] <dholbach> ugner: the discussion was about sponsoring a local kubuntu webpage... it has nothing to do with support and hating/loving anything
[02:16] <dholbach> and discussing it in a channel makes no sense
[02:17] <ugner> Yagisan: why, of course kubuntu.de is not a package :))
[02:17] <Yagisan> ugner: #kubuntu ?
[02:17] <ugner> Yagisan: now i understand why you are confused
[02:17] <zakame> hi all
[02:17] <dholbach> that's something that has to be discussed between the owners of the site and canonical prepresentatives
[02:17] <azeem> ugner: uhm, can you please stop this discussion in here now?
[02:17] <dholbach> end of story
[02:17] <ajmitch> Yagisan: they've probably got enough to deal with
[02:17] <tseng> canonical wont even give me an account in their data center
[02:17] <freeflying> ugner: maybe #canonical :)
[02:17] <tseng> so if you were to go everywhere posting tirades about canonical hating mono
[02:17] <zakame> what's up?
[02:17] <tseng> it would be about as silly.
[02:17] <ajmitch> hey zakame
[02:17] <zakame> hello ajmitch
[02:18] <Yagisan> ugner: I'm not confused. I'm trying to get the point over to you, that if it isn't related to packaging, we probably can't help you.
[02:18] <Yagisan> ajmitch: true
[02:18] <zakame> wha'ts with prepresentatives all of a suddent ? =)
[02:18] <ugner> dholbach: ok, but the language in which one showsexpresses their not being related shouldn't (necessarily) express lack of interest on the kubuntu community plus exclusive credit for cannonical. this is my point.
[02:18] <ugner> shows/expresses
[02:19] <ugner> Yagisan: right
[02:19] <dholbach> ugner: it's nothing we all have to decide, so there's nothing to do
[02:19] <dholbach> if Jane/Mark/whoever decides to give them money, that's their decision
[02:19] <dholbach> kubuntu is supported, end of story
[02:19] <tseng> this isnt even over money
[02:20] <tseng> so knock it off.
[02:20] <ugner> dholbach: it was not about money, maybe you should read their "complaint"
[02:20] <dholbach> yeah, the discussion is off-topic and irrelevant here
[02:20] <zakame> how long is until the next packages.u.c update?
[02:20] <ugner> dholbach: where would it be relevant? what is the right channel for this?
[02:20] <tseng> ugner: warning #1, please take it elsewhere
[02:20] <ajmitch> zakame: dunno, is it updating still?
[02:20] <ajmitch> zakame: awhile ago it stopped, I never checked if it restarted
[02:20] <ugner> tseng: HELLO, this is what i AM TRYING
[02:21] <ugner> tseng: please recommend me a better channel
[02:21] <azeem> ugner: start in #ubuntu
[02:21] <tseng> ugner: #nowhere
[02:21] <azeem> ugner: just stop it in here
[02:21] <freeflying> ugner: #canonical
[02:21] <tseng> freeflying: uhhh
[02:21] <ugner> tseng: you are not pleasant to talk to
[02:21] <zakame> ajmitch: it hasn't yet, I was observing this since my uploads a few days ago
[02:21] <tseng> #canonical is staff matters only.
[02:22] <tseng> ugner: i am sorry to hear that, you have been asked several times
[02:22] <freeflying> ugner: maybe mark the right person you wanna talk
[02:22] <tseng> you can join in the frenzy on osnews if that floats your boat
[02:22] <tseng> but there isnt really anything to discuss
[02:23] <tseng> canonical doesnt give me an account either.
[02:23] <ugner> freeflying: what makes you think you are the right person?
[02:23] <tseng> its data center policy
[02:23] <freeflying> ugner: me?no, it's Mark
[02:24] <zakame> ugner: pray tell me, is this releated to helping shapte the Ubuntu Universe? =)
[02:24] <Unfrgiven> tseng: hey hows it goin
[02:24] <tseng> Unfrgiven: hi there
[02:24] <Gloubiboulga> infinito, your package looks really better :)
[02:24] <tseng> Unfrgiven: just moved
[02:24] <zakame> Hobbsee!
[02:25] <Hobbsee> zakame!
[02:25] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[02:25] <ugner> freeflying: oh, you forgot to add "is", and i thought it as an advice, something like: "show us the right person you wanna talk to"
[02:25] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[02:25] <Unfrgiven> tseng: moved? where to?
[02:25] <azeem> ugner: are you involved with kubuntu.de?
[02:25] <tseng> Unfrgiven: new apartment.
[02:25] <zakame> Hobbsee: rocking!
[02:25] <ugner> freeflying: i thought it as a retort to my "you are not pleasant to talk to"
[02:25] <Unfrgiven> tseng: excellent. still in the US?
[02:25] <zakame> tseng: just moved?
[02:25] <ugner> azeem: not at all, but i thought that as a loss. don't you?
[02:26] <azeem> ugner: also, you have been asked to move this discussion elsewere
[02:26] <tseng> Unfrgiven: yeah.
[02:26] <ugner> azeem: a loss for the community
[02:26] <Yagisan> ugner: not at all. We still have kde
[02:27] <ugner> azeem: i thought i was simply answering your question.
[02:27] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: well done :)
[02:28] <azeem> mea culpa
[02:28] <Unfrgiven> tseng: cool. so you all settled in then? I see your net connection is up so thats the important thing(s) covered ;)
[02:28] <tseng> Unfrgiven: nah im at work now
[02:28] <zakame> malone 29503
[02:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 29503 in blackbox "Blackbox fails to install if Fluxbox is also installed due to shared /usr/bin/bsetroot" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29503
[02:29] <tseng> Unfrgiven: gotta get back.
[02:29] <zakame> hmm, that probably needs justa Conflits, right?
[02:29] <Unfrgiven> tseng: k cya later.
[02:29] <zakame> s#flits#flicts
[02:29] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: revu login is your email address on your gpg key, which is gmail. is that ok?
[02:29] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: yep, its fine with me.
[02:30] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: ok, retrieve your password to find out what it is :)
[02:30] <ajmitch> marked you as reviewer, too
[02:34] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: able to login yet?
[02:38] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:38] <infinito> any MOTU here??
[02:38] <cbx33> w00t...another bugfix on the way i think
[02:38] <cbx33> :D
[02:39] <Yagisan> infinito: this place is full of them. Sadly they are not mind readers. Just ask your question(s).
[02:40] <cbx33> Yagisan, thanks for the help earlier
[02:40] <infinito> just want a review of this, if its posible: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2267
[02:40] <cbx33> anyone know how to get rid of these perl warnings about locales
[02:41] <zakame> they bother you?
[02:41] <cbx33> yes
[02:41] <Yagisan> cbx33: Me ? help ? you still have the errors. I have been ignoring them now for so long I don't even notice them
[02:41] <cbx33> make it bloody difficult to read output
[02:43] <cbx33> sometimes there can be 40 of them in one apt-get install
[02:43] <cbx33> do you not agree?  or do you know something i don;t :p
[02:45] <cbx33> nn Yagisan
[02:45] <zakame> Yagisan: tc
[02:45] <cbx33> take a break
[02:45] <Hobbsee> hehe night Yagisan
[02:45] <Yagisan> cbx33: I have kids. I'll never get a break for the next 18+ years
[02:52] <zakame> hi jdthood ! =)
[02:53] <jdthood> zakame: Hi there
[02:55] <zakame> jdthood: can I bother you a bit with checking the latest patch malone 38009? =)
[02:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38009 in resolvconf "Breezy -> Dapper transition needs proper /etc/resolvconf/run handling" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38009
[02:55] <jdthood> Sure
[03:02] <jdthood> zakame: The indentation doesn't look right.
[03:03] <zakame> jdthood: it looks like sebastian has some vim setting that changed the indents
[03:03] <jdthood> He just has a slightly unusual way of indenting comments
[03:08] <jdthood> zakame: Well, it looks OK when I read it as a patch.
[03:08] <ivoks> hi all
[03:08] <zakame> hi ivoks
[03:08] <zakame> but?
[03:08] <jdthood> By making assumptions it is possible to simplify the code.  When I originally wrote resolvconf it wasn't clear whether or not /run would be introduced.
[03:09] <jdthood> I mean: the patch successfully simplifies things.  Good.
[03:09] <zakame> ah
[03:10] <jdthood> Using /dev/shm was always a bit nauseating, but it was the best alternative and still is in Debian since Debian still lacks an early writable run directory.
[03:12] <ivoks> hoho barry
[03:13] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[03:13] <zakame> indeed... I've been hesitant applying it since I botched the previous one :P I'm rebuilding it on my onw machine right now
[03:13] <bddebian> Hello gang
[03:13] <zakame> bddebian!
[03:13] <bddebian> Hi zakame :-)
[03:15] <zakame> hello Seveas
[03:15] <Hobbsee> hi Seveas
[03:16] <jdthood> zakame: The patched postinst looks fine when I read it.
[03:16] <Seveas> hi
[03:17] <zakame> ok
[03:18] <jdthood> zakame: My reward is that I now know how to fix resolvconf on my own system.  :)
[03:19] <zakame> jdthood: w00t! =)
[03:19] <freeflying> If I found bugs on malone are not really a bug  ,what shall I do ?
[03:19] <bddebian> Close it
[03:19] <zakame> close it, politely :D
[03:19] <jdthood> zakame: It looks to me as if fixing this will fix the other bugs filed against resolvconf on launchpad.
[03:19] <bddebian> Nah, close it with authoritie... ;-P
[03:20] <zakame> jdthood: indeed, trying it right now on the other machine...
[03:20] <freeflying> bddebian: but how to close it ?  :)
[03:21] <bddebian> freeflying: Just reject it but put a "friendly" comment about why you are rejecting it :-)
[03:22] <ivoks> freeflying: copy paste something from fortunes :)
[03:24] <bddebian> ivoks: :-)
[03:39] <zakame> hmm why is boson-base producing a barebones boson?
[03:39] <zakame> ah, I'm stupid, that's why :P
[03:39] <zakame> hi mgalvin
[03:40] <mgalvin> hi zakame
[03:42] <jdthood> "boson-base producing a barebones boson"!
[03:42] <zakame> yes, I'm on crack :P
[03:43] <bddebian> And you aren't sharing? :-)
[03:43] <Se7h> LOL
[03:43] <zakame> please, see DhIconCacheChanges :D
[03:44] <Se7h> hey bddebian
[03:44] <bddebian> Hello Se7h
[03:44] <Se7h> hi all
[03:44] <zakame> good excuse to look into the open bugs for each package listed there too =)
[03:53] <cbx33> where do people normally post their debdiffs?
[03:53] <cbx33> on their own sites and link on malone?
[03:53] <zakame> normally, as malone attachments
[03:56] <cbx33> i installed a package to day....a rather trivial one...on removal it wanted to take ubuntu-desktop with it...is this a bug?
[03:57] <Hobbsee> which package was this?
[03:57] <cbx33> one of the iputils pacakges I working on a bug for
[03:58] <cbx33> it's a tiny utility
[04:02] <bddebian> Ack, qgis is a pig :-(
[04:03] <cbx33> doesn't need ubuntu-desktop for installation
[04:07] <zachy> hi all
[04:08] <bddebian> Hello zachy
[04:09] <zachy> cut in the middle of a build :/
[05:04] <zakame> hmm did somebody touch dh_iconcache today?
[05:04] <zakame> it not longer generates the right postinst/postrm
[05:09] <zakame> gn8 all!
[05:09] <bddebian> Later zakame
[05:10] <zakame> later bddebian :D
[06:10] <OdyX> Hey all. I'm looking for someone to package (for me :D ) theora-mmx. This lib is supposed to speed up thoggen by 3-4 on supported procs. This could be great advantage for Ogg/theora/vorbis encoding.
[06:12] <freeflying-ibook> OdyX: more details about this
[06:13] <OdyX> freeflying-ibook: details ? Like ?
[06:13] <OdyX> Branch : http://svn.xiph.org/branches/theora-mmx
[06:13] <OdyX> Issues for Thoggen: http://thoggen.net/download/index.html#known-issues
[06:14] <OdyX> has never been packaged (as google says)
[06:15] <azeem> shouldn't this go into mainline, rather?
[06:15] <azeem> why does regular theora not have those optimizations?
[06:16] <OdyX> azeem: 'cause not every proc is mmx ?
[06:16] <azeem> you can detect that at runtime
[06:16] <OdyX> azeem: 'cause theora-mmx doesn't compile on PPC/AMD64 ?
[06:16] <tseng> code can be built conditionally
[06:16] <tseng> or even at runtime
[06:18] <azeem> /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.7
[06:18] <azeem> /usr/lib/i486/libssl.so.0.9.7
[06:18] <azeem> /usr/lib/i586/libssl.so.0.9.7
[06:18] <azeem> /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libssl.so.0.9.7
[06:22] <OdyX> so what? wait for theora to include this in mainline ?
[06:23] <azeem> is it going to happen?
[06:24] <azeem> maybe there is a reason why it hasn't happened yet?
[06:27] <OdyX> I don't know.
[06:37] <OdyX> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/651662 <- This is what xiph guys say.
[06:38] <bddebian> tseng!!
[06:39] <azeem> OdyX: that's not very conclusive
[06:41] <OdyX> azeem: In fact, I'm only user, so I know (from what I read) that theora-mmx should speed thoggen up, but I don't know all technical background. Feel free to speak in #xiph... Sorry for not being so conclusive...
[06:42] <azeem> OdyX: I mean the discussion amongst the developers in that paste are not conclusive :)
[06:42] <OdyX> So what should I do ?
[06:43] <azeem> I find it strange that they do not try to optimize their reference implementation
[06:44] <OdyX> azeem: in fact, it's not their "work", is it ?
[06:44] <azeem> everybody seems to use it, and if you want to make a good impression, it should be as fast as possible without corrupting the source base
[06:44] <azeem> it's a branch in their subversion repository, right?
[06:44] <OdyX> seems to be, as far as I understand...
[06:46] <OdyX> and... hum.... http://svn.xiph.org/branches/theora-mmx/debian/ <- means a package should be doable (at least in Debian), hmm ?
[06:47] <azeem> it's just a branch
[06:47] <azeem> I guess that's the regular Debian packaging for theora
[06:48] <OdyX> OK
[06:52] <azeem> OdyX: I asked one of the Debian people doing theora, maybe he has a better overview on this matter
[06:52] <azeem> might take a while till he responds
[06:52] <OdyX> So.. theora-mmx.deb doesn't seem for tomorrow...
[06:53] <azeem> OdyX: you can create one and advertise it to Ubuntu users, of course
[06:53] <azeem> but I think some more strategic planning might be alright, before we duplicate the whole theora source
[06:53] <OdyX> means ?
[06:54] <OdyX> strategic planning ?
[06:54] <azeem> well, e.g. whether the mmx patches should just get included into the libtheora package, rather than having a package on its own
[06:54] <OdyX> Yeah... seems good.
[06:55] <OdyX> but Ubuntu is going too fast, FLOSS projects cannot follow... :D
[06:59] <cbx33> Hi LaserJock
[07:39] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[07:39] <bddebian> Heya Tonio_
[07:40] <Tonio_> bddebian: fine ? ;)
[07:53] <ohoel> is monodevelop 0.10 going to surface in dapper?
[07:54] <chillywilly> bah, I just bumped the memory in the php.ini for cli PHP but it complains when I go to install a pear package...not sure what else to do
[07:55] <chillywilly> it *was* set to 8MB but I bumped it to 32MB...it still thinks the memory_limit is 8MB
[07:59] <chillywilly> bah, must've been broken when I tried to upgrade it
[08:37] <LaserJock> hi seth
[08:38] <seth> hi hi LaserJock
[09:01] <trappist> I've just made a trivial patch to cdrecord that fixes some typos that have annoyed me for years in /etc/default/cdrecord.  I sent it upstream but I dunno whether to expect any results from that.  Should I also file a bug and attach the patch in malone?
[09:08] <LaserJock> trappist: you could. just maybe make a note that you also sent the patch upstream (if you have something to link to that would be cool)
[09:09] <trappist> aight.  I just emailed it to the author - afaict he doesn't make it easy for people to make contributions
[09:10] <LaserJock> trappist: yeah, that happens. Is upstream active?
[09:10] <trappist> I think so
[09:16] <LaserJock> hi Kyral
[09:18] <trappist> so now that I've made this bug and only ubuntu-bugs and myself are subscribed, is there an appropriate way to get it some visibility?
[09:21] <LaserJock> trappist: maybe talk about it on #ubuntu-bugs
[09:45] <bddebian> LaserJock: Damnit, I've got 4 more Science bugs to close but can't test them here at work :-(
[09:45] <LaserJock> bddebian: can I do it for you? when will you be off work?
[09:46] <bddebian> Dunno yet.  I'm setting up a machine here at work but it's a slow ass Celeron :-(
[09:47] <LaserJock> bddebian: how slow?
[09:47] <bddebian> Wel it's just getting "up to date" that's slow
[09:48] <LaserJock> well, I forgot to start my Ubuntu box at home this morning, so all I have at the moment is a dapper chroot on a sarge box I have for data collection
[09:49] <LaserJock> although it is faster than my box at home
[09:54] <bddebian> LaserJock: Well I have all that at my disposal but I need a GUI to test the desktop files :-)
[10:03] <LaserJock> bddebian: I have a gui in my chroot
[10:04] <LaserJock> I just ssh -Y from my iMac and run gnome-session from inside the chroot
[10:05] <bddebian> Scary. :-)  I tried that with Xing for Winblows but it was just too slow :-(
[10:05] <LaserJock> well, on my local network at school there is basically now slow down. just like being at the box
[10:06] <LaserJock> s/now/no/
[10:06] <bddebian> :-)
[10:06] <LaserJock> so I have ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop installed. I tried KDE the other day, worked beautifully
[10:07] <bddebian> Nice
[10:07] <LaserJock> expose was a little weird with a Gnome/KDE desktop on top of my OSX desktop but I get everything that I need
[10:09] <ajmitch> morning
[10:13] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch, Kyral
[10:15] <ajmitch> bddebian: how are you?
[10:15] <bddebian> Fair to midland man, you?
[10:15] <bddebian> Kyral: :-)
[10:15] <ajmitch> poor to average
[10:15] <ajmitch> not enough sleep
[10:15] <ajmitch> need good caffiene hit
[10:16] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch and Kyral
[10:18] <LaserJock> hmm, not much on tomorrow's TB agenda, maybe I should go for core-dev
[10:18] <LaserJock> muahaha, sometimes I just crack myself up
[10:19] <ajmitch> LaserJock: sure, up for a good grilling?
[10:20] <ajmitch> I'm surprised that bddebian hasn't gone for core-dev yet
[10:22] <LaserJock> ajmitch: maybe he's waiting until he has more Karama then seb128
[10:25] <LaserJock> I don't really have any interest in being a core-dev and I don't think I'll probably ever know Ubuntu well enough to be be one.  I'm pretty comfortable where I'm at
[10:25] <bddebian> ajmitch: Bah, they all hate me too :-)
[10:27] <LaserJock> bddebian: what's up with this self-loathing thing? Everyone loves you and the wiki doesn't lie ;-)
[10:27] <bddebian> The wiki does lie or I could actually fix some REAL bugs :-)
[10:28] <LaserJock> heah man, there are going to be a lot of appreciative scientists out there that don't have to drop to a terminal to start their apps :-)
[10:29] <ajmitch> LaserJock: he's always been like this
[10:32] <cbx33> ajmitch, oooh what new toys?
[10:32] <bddebian> The Analmaster 9000?
[10:33] <ajmitch> bddebian: comments like that really aren't appreciated
[10:33] <bddebian> Bah, it was a little funny
[10:33] <ajmitch> hopefully a sunfire T2000
[10:33] <bddebian> Nice
[10:33] <ajmitch> not at all funny
[10:34] <bddebian> Sorry then
[10:34] <cbx33> bddebian, awww
[10:34] <cbx33> i thought it was funny :p
[10:34] <cbx33> a little funny
[10:41] <bddebian> Later ajmitch, have fun :-)
[10:45] <bddebian> LaserJock: See, I can't be a core-dev, I have a "sense of humor".. :-)  (Notice the quotes)
[10:50] <sladen> bddebian: I don't get it.
[11:00] <infinito> has any motu two minutes to review this? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2267
[11:03] <bddebian> Shit, did someone sync a new qgis?
[11:09] <bddebian> No, I'm just an idiot
[11:22] <dholbach> night guys
[11:24] <bddebian> Wow, qgis looks very well written
[11:25] <LaserJock> how so?
[11:25] <sladen> infinito: would  laptop-temp  be a better name
[11:25] <bddebian> LaserJock: Just a nice crip interface
[11:25] <bddebian> Err crisp even
[11:25] <infinito> sladen: why?
[11:26] <sladen> siretart: why is that linda error still there, I did an upload $months ago that should have got rid of it
[11:28] <sladen> infinito: ah, okay the actual binary is called 'laptoptemp'
[11:55] <bddebian> Later folks
[11:55] <LaserJock> cya bddebian
[11:56] <bddebian> LaserJock: I got qgis working but forgot to change my version so I overwrote everything.. :-(  I'll fix it up tonight :-)
[11:56] <bddebian> Catch you in a few


[08:48] <hectorC> Hello...
[08:50] <hectorC> is there any kernel developer available for some information?
[08:52] <hectorC> I'm part of a group of guys trying to develop an Ubuntu kernel with realtime preemption for pro-audio use... I just have some questions regarding the Dapper kernel


[18:42] <ryaxnb> using ubuntu with icewm
[18:43] <ryaxnb> it agrees with my slow laptop
[18:44] <ryaxnb> icewm is a simple win95-like wm
[18:44] <ryaxnb> i like it
[18:48] <Calinou> lollaptops
[23:59] <dwatkins> cool, I wanted to try fvwm95 but it failed to compile


[02:50] <acmehandle> How do I go about updating my openssl?
[02:51] <acmehandle> I have version 1.0.1f and I should have version 1.0.1g
[02:51] <sarnold> acmehandle: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -u upgrade
[02:51] <acmehandle> Hhhm, I ran update.  This is a fresh install.
[02:52] <sarnold> acmehandle: check that the version that is installed matches the most recent release http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2385-1/
[02:52] <acmehandle> Yeah, '0 upgraded'
[02:53] <sarnold> acmehandle: you can check the version with dpkg -l openssl 'libssl*'
[02:54] <acmehandle> Yeah, it says 1.0.1f
[02:55] <acmehandle> Which is a January release
[02:55] <acmehandle> First thing I did when I started this vps was upgrade
[02:55] <sarnold> oh I'm sorry, I forgot dpkg -l cuts off the version numbers. sigh.
[02:55] <acmehandle> update then upgrade rather
[02:55] <sarnold> acmehandle: dpkg -l openssl 'libssl*' | cat
[02:56] <sarnold> the pointless |cat means output isn't a terminal, so it won't truncate the vresion numbers. look for the 1.0.1f-1ubuntu2.7 or whatever...
[02:56] <Patrickdk> or just do a apt-get install openssl libssl
[02:56] <Patrickdk> and it will force it
[02:56] <acmehandle> Right, it all says 1.0.1f
[02:56] <sarnold> acmehandle: that's not the part that matters.
[02:57] <acmehandle> oh
[02:57] <sarnold> acmehandle: the part that matters is _after_ the hyphen
[02:57] <Patrickdk> but openssl website says he needs g or h :)
[02:57] <acmehandle> -1ubuntu2.7
[02:57] <Patrickdk> your fine
[02:57] <sarnold> acmehandle: yay :) you've got hte most recent
[02:57] <acmehandle> What Patrick said.  :/
[02:58] <acmehandle> So why does openssl says g
[02:58] <teward> acmehandle: the OpenSSL website may say that you need g or h, but the security patches to fix those vulnerabilities have already been applied to 1.0.1f-1ubuntu2.7
[02:58] <acmehandle> Ah, I see.
[02:58] <teward> acmehandle: openssl upstream will always recommend to use the latest release to get all the bug fixes
[02:59] <sarnold> acmehandle: because they think everyone downloads openssl source and recompiles it all the time, when in reality, almost no one compiles their own openssl, because that's how you get regressions :)
[02:59] <teward> but the security team takes the upstream patch commits and applies them to the older revisions (like 1.0.1f) and patches the vulnerabilities, in accordance with security triage procedures.
[02:59] <teward> and what sarnold says.
[02:59] <teward> acmehandle: but rest assured, so long as the full version string (1.0.1f-1ubuntu2.7) is installed, you're fine, as it has those patches
[02:59] <sarnold> I mean, I'm glad for the folks who do run upstream openssl, because someone has to find the regressions :)
[03:00] <sarnold> .. same as I'm glad someone runs linus's -rc kernels :)
[03:01] <Patrickdk> the only upstream that maintains stuff, is bash :)
[03:03] <sarnold> Chet was amazing during the whole shellshocked thing.
[03:04] <teward> sarnold: indeed.
[03:05] <teward> Patrickdk: heheh
[03:05] <Patrickdk> hey, it made life easy for me to backport that crap to debian v4
[03:12] <teward> urgh, debian 4...
[03:13] <teward> makes me glad I use Ubuntu, I don't have to deal with massive version changes from one release to another, as much...
[03:13] <Patrickdk> well, not my fault
[03:13] <Patrickdk> company I contract for, bought another company
[03:13] <teward> heh
[03:13] <Patrickdk> they where working on a new product (fully deployed on 13.10? why? not lts?)
[03:14] <Patrickdk> and the old system that was in, self-manage mode, was left from years ago, on debian4
[03:14] <teward> Patrickdk: at least you aren't having to take 14.04 patches and taking them back to Hardy, or god forbid Dapper, versions
[03:14]  * teward had a case where he had to do that :/
[03:14] <sarnold> Patrickdk: zounds...
[03:14] <Patrickdk> I took over maintance a month
[03:14] <Patrickdk> and hadn't even learned where everything was yet
[03:15] <Patrickdk> teward, I had already backported around 30 things to trusty, 2months before it was released
[03:15] <teward> Patrickdk: tell me about it, during the Trusty dev cycle I was already backporting entire packages to Precise just for my own needs, let alone nitpicking security patches
[03:16] <Patrickdk> no, I mean, to trusty, before release
[03:16] <Patrickdk> to precise, ya, still doing that
[03:16] <Patrickdk> I have dropped support for lucid though
[03:16] <Patrickdk> half my stuff is on trusty
[03:16] <Patrickdk> the other half, is likely never to upgrade, but will be replaced
[03:17] <Patrickdk> or run in parrallel, till precise dies
[03:17] <teward> Patrickdk: funny story: when i took over the nginx PPAs, it was around 12.04 that I took over almost exclusively, and the first thing I did was drop all Lucid support - that was causing headaches upon headaches for me... and I had bad experiences with the interim dev releases so I just started sticking to LTSes
[03:17] <teward> makes life easier on production systems, sticking to the LTSes
[03:18] <teward> (so long as you backport software where necessary to support the applications you have to run)
[03:21] <Patrickdk> why must the rhel installer be so annoying compared to ubuntu
[03:22] <teward> +1
[03:27] <acmehandle> Any advice where I should point the 'root' path on my server?  I often hear that /var/www/ is not a good place
[03:29] <Patrickdk> and I always thought it was /root
[03:29] <sarnold> Patrickdk: lol
[03:29] <sarnold> acmehandle: what's wrong with an htdocs of /var/www/?
[03:29] <Patrickdk> it depends on a crapload of things
[03:29] <Patrickdk> nothing to do with not a good place :)
[03:30] <acmehandle> The great thing about the internet is that anyone can be an admin.
[03:30] <Patrickdk> it is as good a place as any other, depending on how you *configure* your server
[03:30] <acmehandle> sarnold: I honestly dont know.  For django framework I hear one thing,
[03:30] <acmehandle> for rails I hear another.
[03:30] <acmehandle> when talking to apache its another.
[03:30] <Patrickdk> that is cause they all have their own defaults
[03:31] <Patrickdk> just adjust it, and make sure you maintain proper security
[03:31] <Patrickdk> though, with django/rails/...
[03:31] <Patrickdk> they will be working as fastcgi likely
[03:31] <Patrickdk> so they don't even have to even care
[03:31] <Patrickdk> as long as you direct the aliases for their static content, correctly
[03:32] <Patrickdk> they could even be on totally seperate servers, as far as apache cares
[03:33] <sarnold> acmehandle: aha. :) there's a fair amount of cargo-culting in some of those communities. It might not hurt to ask "why?" when something seems arbitrary :)
[03:34] <Patrickdk> :)
[03:34] <acmehandle> Right, the 'why' is where I have to remember to put on an asbestos suit
[03:34] <Patrickdk> normally the answer is, cause you have to change it so many times!
[03:34] <sarnold> sometimes yes :) hehe
[03:35] <sarnold> I'm a grumpy old grouch so I don't much care one way or the other, hehe :)
[03:35] <acmehandle> I'm admining my own vps webserver. So honestly I dont care.  I'm going to experiment with nginx this time around and hopefully experiment with django and rails
[03:35] <acmehandle> and some javascript
[03:36] <acmehandle> I personally dont even care about nginx or apache for that matter, but from what I gather so far if I want to do any kind of web sockety stuff I need nginx
[03:36] <acmehandle> But I thought there were some kind of genuine security concerns the way everyone makes it sound about /var/www/ or wherever.
[03:38] <sarnold> acmehandle: I found nginx easier to configure than apache; I've never pushed either one far enough to worry about their performance
[03:39] <sarnold> acmehandle: I really don't like the debian style of having the apache or nginx process owned by user www-data --- the name encourages people to set the owner of their web contents to www-data. But you don't want the web server to have write access to anything, beyond its log files and maybe a database / fcgi socket ...
[03:40] <sarnold> acmehandle: I wish the web server ran with a username like www-exec or www-prog or something that didn't scream "chown all your files to me"
[03:40] <teward> sarnold: and, in the case of dynamic PHP apps like forums, the forums' cache folder, is sometimes ok to write to.
[03:41] <acmehandle> Yes, thus far thats what I hear quite often.  Only thing that bothers me is I spent time on figuring out the proper settings I need for apache on one vps and somehow by magic all my settings were rolled back.  So now I'm in the process of transfering to another vps and am starting from scratch, so to speak.  At least this vps runs ubuntu 14 whereas the other one was 10.04.
[03:41] <sarnold> teward: ahh, yes, I always forget about php. (It's not like I _try_, I just don't think of it often. :)
[03:41] <sarnold> acmehandle: yikes and yikes :)
[03:41] <sarnold> acmehandle: that can sometimes happen when they've got some helper frontend like cpanel or whatever. blech.
[03:42] <acmehandle> sarnold: with regards to www-data.  Isnt it user: apache if compiled from source?
[03:43] <sarnold> acmehandle: or httpd or something, yeah
[03:44] <sarnold> acmehandle: this is a failing in debian policy, a failing ubuntu has inherited.
[03:44] <acmehandle> Ah right.
[03:46] <acmehandle> The thing that bothers me mostly about nginx is its thin license.
[03:47] <acmehandle> I get this sense like they can yank the public license at any time
[03:47] <acmehandle> then all those big fancy lovely websites running on nginx would be the only ones who could afford nginx
[03:48] <Patrickdk> heh?
[03:48] <Patrickdk> why would that matter?
[03:48] <Patrickdk> the older releases would still be available
[03:48] <Patrickdk> and can be forked
[03:52] <sarnold> a great many projects have contributor license agreements that allow relicensing to e.g. BSD or MIT -- which amounts to much the same thing
[05:37] <grendal_prime> I got docmgr up and working but it will not index word documents
[06:56] <faraway> hi, I installed ruby2.0 on my 12.04 server using the brightbox but currently those a keep back from upgrade as there seems a dep issue „ruby2.0 : Depends: ruby (>= 1:<IP_ADDRESS>)“  is anyone here also using brightbox?
[08:18] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:45] <adac> ubuntu saves the data in:  /var/lib/postgresql/9.3/main  what exactly happens when there comes postgres version 9.4?
[09:45] <adac> would then change the data directory too?
[12:19] <pmatulis> morning
[12:21] <lordievader> Hey pmatulis, how are you doing?
[12:30] <pmatulis> lordievader: tired, i need some ginseng
[12:39] <lordievader> Not coffee?
[12:47] <ObrienDave> coffee 1st
[15:37] <K4k> Is there a way in apt to set an alternate mirror for a repository should the primary one be unavailable for some reason? What I'm trying to do is force clients to use our internal package repo when onsite but still be able to get updates offsite since the internal mirror will not be facing outside the firewall.
[15:37] <jpds> K4k: Yep, just have another 'deb' line for the repo in sources.list.
[15:38] <jpds> K4k: apt ignores the things it can't get to.
[15:38] <K4k> Is there a way to set a priority on the deb entries or does it just pick the one that's listed in the file first?
[15:38] <jpds> K4k: It takes what it can.
[15:38] <K4k> For example, could I use two different sources.list.d files with 01-internal and then 02-external as the source file names?
[15:38] <genii> !pinning
[15:39] <K4k> genii: thanks!
[15:39] <genii> K4k: Yer welcome :)
[15:41] <jpds> K4k: Pinning is something different.
[15:42] <jpds> K4k: If the repos have the same packages, it doesn't matter.
[15:42] <genii> jpds: It's usual usage is to freeze a file at a particular version or to only use one from a particular repository. But it is more flexible than people think.
[15:43] <K4k> jpds: yeah, was just reading that... it can set priority but doesn't look like you can pin priority based on repo, only per package.
[15:43] <jpds> K4k: Another thing you can do is a DNS hijack.
[15:44] <K4k> Would have to be on the client side using dnsmasq... which sounds ugly and error pron
[15:44] <jpds> K4k: Have like; gb.archive.u.c go to an internal IP as opposed to the real one.
[15:44] <jpds> What's wrong with dnsmasq?
[15:44] <K4k> Having to muck with DNS resolution client side just seems like a bad idea to me
[15:45] <jpds> Well, It Works.
[15:45] <K4k> How would I do that anyway. I would need some sort of conditional based on their interface IP?
[15:46] <jrwren> does apt-cacher-ng help achieve your goal?
[15:46] <jpds> apt-cacher-ng is so unreliable.
[15:46] <jpds> squid-deb-proxy++
[15:47] <K4k> Was looking at approx, apt-cacher-ng and apt-proxy(?) and none of them seem to do what I need the way I need to do it. They all do some part of it though
[15:48] <jpds> K4k: You tell dnsmasq: if you see a request for; archive.ubuntu.com, give it this A record -> <IP_ADDRESS>, etc.
[15:48] <jpds> Where that A record is your internal mirror.
[15:48] <K4k> and when they're not on the internal network, how would it fall back to using the actual archive.ubuntu.com address?
[15:49] <jpds> K4k: Yes.
[15:49] <jpds> K4k: You set that on your LAN's DNS server.
[15:49] <jpds> K4k: Nothing special on the clients.
[15:49] <K4k> I don't have control over the LAN DNS unfortunately :(
[15:49] <K4k> Well... let me rephrase that
[15:50] <K4k> It's a windows DNS server. I'm not sure if it can do that
[15:50] <genii>  Hm. Conceivably you could just have a post-up directive  for the ethernet adapter which decides where it's connected, and sets the Dir::Etc::sourcelist "sources.list";  variable to something appropriate
[15:50] <jrwren> if only upstart had a network-changed event you could toggle between sources.list files using it.
[15:51] <jrwren> what genii said.
[15:51] <jrwren> I forgot about post-up
[15:52] <K4k> some sort of client side resolution timeout would be all I'd need really. `if archive.ubuntu.com; then go <IP_ADDRESS>; redirect after 30s back to archive.ubuntu.com proper`
[15:52] <K4k> but I'll investigate all of these possibilities. They all sound good.
[15:55] <genii> K4k: Apologies for not properly understanding your original question, had to go back up and carefully read it first :)
[15:55] <jpds> K4k: Could you do a transparent proxy on the LAN?
[15:56] <K4k> jpds: I don't think so, not easily.
[15:57] <NigeyS> afternoon :)
[15:59] <NigeyS> can anyone recommend a way to get a file from server1 to server2 using scp as root without hardcoding the password into the script that runs it?
[15:59] <jpds> NigeyS: SSH key.
[15:59] <K4k> pubkeyauth?
[16:00] <jpds> NigeyS: And whatever you do, use a forced command: http://binblog.info/2008/10/20/openssh-going-flexible-with-forced-commands/
[16:01] <NigeyS> jpds we use ssh keys currently .. if i use ssh key via a bash script, and it prompts for a password does that interrupt the script at all ? .. trying to scp apache configs to server2 after creating them on server 1 but dont want to use a hardcoded password in the script, or paswordless ssh keys, work will fire me for that !
[16:01] <jpds> NigeyS: The SSH key has a passphrase?
[16:02] <NigeyS> no, not by default on AWS instances, if i enable it it enables passwords for all users right ?
[16:03] <jpds> NigeyS: You're talking about two different things.
[16:03] <NigeyS> oh sorry see what you mean, keyphrase on the key itself
[16:03] <K4k> NigeyS: for that purpose I typically use Git, actually
[16:03] <jpds> NigeyS: If the key has no passphrase, it shouldn't prompt for one in the script.
[16:03] <NigeyS> currently it doesnt no, i could add that to server 2's ubuntu user, but how do i sudo to get that file in /etc/apache2 within the script ?
[16:04] <K4k> you can do the transfer with a non-root user and then use a git-hook to put the file from the local git repo in to the web directory using root locally on the system
[16:04] <NigeyS> oh, thats something i havent heard of before
[16:05] <NigeyS> i guess the other option is to put configs in a dir that doesnt require root access
[16:05]  * jpds wonders why system1 should be poking with server2's apache config.
[16:05] <K4k> Others may have a different opinion on that but that's how I manage all of my websites so that I don't have to deal with sftp or scp when I update site content
[16:05] <NigeyS> jpds cluster of web servers, configs have to be kept in sync
[16:05] <K4k> or you could configure ACLs for limited access to the directory by an unprivileged user
[16:05] <jpds> NigeyS: Well, use something like Puppet for that.
[16:06] <K4k> ^^^
[16:06] <NigeyS> cant have test.com exist on server1, and not server2 as theyre load balanced.
[16:06] <K4k> puppet
[16:06] <jpds> NigeyS: Puppet, Chef, salt, ansible, are all built for this kind of thing.
[16:06] <NigeyS> thats a bit overkill for something thats only going to happen a few times amonth at the most.
[16:07] <jpds> Your life will be a happier place than having root run around with shell scripts.
[16:07] <NigeyS> thats a fair point
[16:09] <NigeyS> ideally i like the config on the nfs mount and they dont have to be copied anywhere but dammed if i can find how to tell apache to look there for them, on ubuntu at least.
[16:09] <K4k> symlink?
[16:09] <jpds> NigeyS: Yeah, and there's the NFS server dying.
[16:09] <jpds> NigeyS: And your HA cluster going along with it.
[16:09] <NigeyS> i really dont want to symlink to nfs for that very reason
[16:09] <K4k> Just HA all the things
[16:10] <jpds> Automate all the things.
[16:10] <NigeyS> so far everything but this is automated :)
[16:10] <K4k> soooo... then we're back to puppet jpds?
[16:10] <K4k> :P
[16:10] <jpds> Why not.
[16:10] <NigeyS> lol ok! i'll go look at puppet :)
[16:10] <K4k> If not puppet then, personally, I'd use the git-hooks but even that's kind of iffy
[16:11] <jpds> NigeyS: And with puppet, you can tweak a lot more than just Apache.
[16:11] <NigeyS> thats true, i will go read :) thanks for the advice
[16:12] <NigeyS> while i'm here, any of you ever had a situation where your gss.d and statd logs were filling up with lines of "y" to the point where it uses 30GB in a few hours ?
[16:13] <K4k> Is anyone here using foreman? I am working on our package management systems, since we have to re-vamp everything for RHEL7 anyway, and saw that Foreman can manage both Redhat and Ubuntu packages but some material was talking about using Katello as well, is that something that works with Ubuntu or is that soley a RHEL thing?
[16:14] <K4k> And how do you like foreman if you are using it?
[16:15] <jpds> I've been meaning to try it but haven't had time to do so yet.
[16:15] <Ameurux> hi
[16:16] <Ameurux> anyone know if  pxelinux.0  is added on the FIX?
[16:16] <jpds> Ameurux: FIX?
[16:16] <Ameurux> it's a bug
[16:16] <jpds> Which bug?
[16:16] <Ameurux> pxelinux.0 is missing on 14.10
[16:16] <jpds> Ameurux: Erm, no.
[16:16] <jpds> Ameurux: pxelinux.0 is a file you're suppose to create for your PXE server.
[16:17] <Ameurux> ok, thx, Im just trying to get PXE server working on 14.10
[16:17] <Ameurux> will give it a try
[16:17] <Ameurux> thx
[16:17] <K4k> genii: Looks like post-up.d script will do what I need. I can have it try to resolve the address for our internal mirror and if successful I can set a line in /etc/hosts to re-point archive.ubuntu.com to our internal server
[16:18]  * jpds really doesn't like the sound of network stuff poking files in /etc.
[16:19] <K4k> * or set up something in dnsmasq
[16:20] <jpds> One day you'll wake up and find your /etc/hosts file is empty.
[16:20] <K4k> heh... yeaaahhhh
[16:20] <K4k> PUPPET!
[16:20] <K4k> :P
[16:23] <NigeyS> Warning: Do not use this module on an existing Apache setup. It will purge any Apache configurations that are not managed by Puppet.
[16:23] <NigeyS> thats not very good of puppet..lol
[16:24] <jpds> NigeyS: It is.
[16:24] <jpds> NigeyS: If it's not managing it, it shouldn't be there.
[16:24] <NigeyS> but i have already set up and installed apache..
[16:25] <jpds> It's too avoid config conflicts.
[16:27] <jpds> NigeyS: Last thing you want is to have "www.test.com" by hand.
[16:27] <jpds> NigeyS: Then add a vhost in Puppet for "www.test.com".
[16:28] <jpds> NigeyS: And then Apache dying as there's two configs for that domain.
[16:31] <NigeyS> yup, there's that !
[16:33] <K4k> It's fairly straight forward to tell puppet "deploy this config file". Though it is proper to use the Apache modules you can just say "put this file here"
[16:34] <K4k> If all you're using it for is to deploy a couple of configs to two different systems, that's going to be the path of least resistence to get it working and then you can worry about migrating to the "proper" way later
[16:36] <jrwren> NigeyS: chown the config files you want to copy to some non-root sentinel account and scp using that?
[16:36] <jpds> jrwren: ...
[16:37] <K4k> XD
[16:37] <jrwren> NigeyS: are you using an ssh-agent?
[16:39] <K4k> OH! You don't need a puppet server to do what you want. You could put the puppet manifest that manages the config file on an NFS share and then there is a flag for puppet-agent you can use on the client to just read from that "local" manifest file
[16:39] <K4k> I just remembered that
[16:48] <NigeyS> sorry just got back.. let me read up :)
[16:49] <NigeyS> jrwren good idea, turns out this script ive been writing doesnt want to work properly anyway lol maybe thats a sign ;)
[16:54] <NigeyS> anyone care to take a look and see why im getting some funky errors? http://pastebin.com/HL36G0Tp
[16:54] <NigeyS> ./Test2.sh: 10: ./Test2.sh: function: not found
[16:54] <NigeyS> ./Test2.sh: 13: [: =: unexpected operator
[16:54] <NigeyS> ./Test2.sh: 21: [: =: unexpected operator
[16:57] <patdk-wk> not really
[16:57] <patdk-wk> but likely cause the script was written in bash and not dash
[16:58] <NigeyS> well,it works fine without my new $restartapache commands, but theyre just a duplicate of $needdb .. so i dont get why it doesnt work
[16:58] <jrwren> NigeyS: bash v. dash?
[16:59] <NigeyS> wouldnt that cause it to not work at all in bash though?
[16:59] <acmehandle> How can I find out if openssl was built with tls compression enabled?
[16:59] <jrwren> NigeyS: no.  anyway, I think you want function createsite() {.. }
[16:59] <acmehandle> Sorry if this sounds like a stupid quesiton
[17:00] <NigeyS> jrwren okies, ill keep fiddling
[17:03] <NigeyS> jrwren works fine i removed #!/bin/bash by mistake
[17:09] <jrwren> NigeyS: :)
[17:10] <NigeyS> but just realised that script will cause apache to fail
[17:10]  * NigeyS needs more coffee
[17:11] <patdk-wk> acmehandle why does it matter?
[17:14] <jpds> NigeyS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9355999/
[17:14] <jpds> NigeyS: That was easy.
[17:15] <NigeyS> jpds legend! lol
[17:15] <acmehandle> Because I dont want RC4 enabled on my server.
[17:15] <patdk-wk> what does compression have to do with rc4?
[17:15] <NigeyS> but theres a few extra things id have to get puppet to do aswell, like insert the user data to the auth database etc
[17:15] <jpds> NigeyS: Though, I've not tested it, and you'll probably need to load a CGI module.
[17:15] <NigeyS> acmehandle try openssl version -a
[17:16] <acmehandle> patdk-wk: it is similar in nature.
[17:16] <patdk-wk> heh?
[17:16] <patdk-wk> rc4 is cipher
[17:16] <patdk-wk> compression is well, compression
[17:16] <patdk-wk> totally different in nature
[17:16] <NigeyS> jpds i need to chage that script quite a bit as far as the vhost settings go, we dont use cgi anymore for example, and i dont think all those options work with 2.4
[17:17] <acmehandle> patdk-wk I'll admit I'm not an expert but:  https://community.qualys.com/blogs/securitylabs/2013/03/19/rc4-in-tls-is-broken-now-what
[17:17] <patdk-wk> I can understand rc4, it's not very secure anymore
[17:17] <acmehandle> In the System Administrators section
[17:17] <K4k> jpds: It looks like dnsmasq, using the -y flag, can select an IP from /etc/hosts for a given hostname that is on the same subnet. That might work for what I was trying to do earlier.
[17:18] <patdk-wk> acmehandle, yes, but that website is talking about scope
[17:18] <patdk-wk> the only tls compression attack is crime
[17:18] <patdk-wk> and that requires you to send repeated data at the start of the session
[17:18] <patdk-wk> it doesn't apply to openvpn
[17:19] <RoyK> hi all. I have a wee problem here, not really related to ubuntu server, but I hoe it's not too offtopic. I login to this host, call it A, and I run xfreerdp from there and to a windows server on a closed-off network
[17:20] <RoyK> now, xfreerdp and xquartz aren't good friends, so it the keyboard doesn't work. I can't use rdesktop, since the windows servers require crypto not supported by rdesktop. I don't have a linux machine here atm, so wonder if it's possible to do this with some ssh tunnel magick
[17:21] <RoyK> the host A is heavily firewalled and only answers to 22/tcp. From there on, it's fairly open
[17:22] <patdk-wk> sure as long as they didn't disable ssh tunnels/forwarding
[17:23] <RoyK> patdk-wk: I didn't :P
[17:23] <patdk-wk> it's common for me to disable those now :)
[17:23] <patdk-wk> had too many people abusing them
[17:23] <RoyK> patdk-wk: not many have access to this box
[17:24] <patdk-wk> I had some users passwords get compromised
[17:24] <patdk-wk> and the new *owners*, used ssh to portforward and attack other systems
[17:24] <RoyK> patdk-wk: it requires both key and password, so it's a bit hard that way
[17:24] <RoyK> patdk-wk: and company policy is to require password protected keys
[17:29] <jrwren> RoyK: ssh -n -N -L 3389:windows-server:3389 A ; remote desktop to localhost
[17:32] <patdk-wk> if you use remmina, it has an option under ssh to do it for you :)
[17:43] <grendal_prime> ok soooo after i got this thing up and running and everything seems to be working right, I transfered the vm to the production server and although it seems to be up and working correctly i cant log into the web interface.
[17:43] <grendal_prime> ip address is differnt, is there something i need to change ...listening address or such on the alfresco server?
[18:24] <hadifarnoud> I have never setup an email server. can someone see this tutorial and tell me how I should setup outgoing server on my Mail client? http://www.krizna.com/ubuntu/setup-mail-server-ubuntu-14-04/
[18:24] <hadifarnoud> I used standard default setting (port 25 with password auth)
[18:26] <grendal_prime> ok...dont know why but it just...started working
[18:26] <bekks> hadifarnoud: USe this one: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix
[18:27] <grendal_prime> is it possible to connect this to an existing filer?  Whe have a samba based cifs server that already has a bunch of document on it.
[18:27] <jamespage> tyhicks, kirkland: have you seen this bug ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ecryptfs/+bug/1328689
[18:32] <tyhicks> jamespage: I've seen the bug report but haven't had a chance to look into it
[18:33] <hadifarnoud> bekks: my postfix config for smpt is "submission inet n       -       -       -       -       smtpd"
[18:33] <hadifarnoud> not sure what "chroot" is for but it is not set to "n"
[18:46] <hadifarnoud> what is starttls in postfix? right at the end of this tutorial, there is an example conf for mail client. I have no option for "STARTTLS" on OSX Mail.
[18:47] <teward> hadifarnoud: might be 'SSL/TLS' or just 'TLS'
[18:47] <teward> (at least in OSX mail)
[18:49] <hadifarnoud> teward: I've got 'Use SSL' next to port and 'TLS (External client certificate)' in authentication.
[18:49] <hadifarnoud> bit confused. that means I have to provide a certificate to OSX Mail?
[18:51] <patdk-wk> no idea
[18:51] <patdk-wk> funky osx
[18:51] <hadifarnoud> teward: also, there is an option for TLS certificate.
[18:51] <hadifarnoud> bloody OSX Mail
[18:52] <hadifarnoud> I guess SSL check box next to port is sort of TLS.
[18:52] <hadifarnoud> fault might be with my server setup
[19:06] <tyhicks> kirkland: re: bug #1328689> When running the adduser --encrypt-home command, it proceeds to try to mount the home directory before prompting for the user's password
[19:07] <tyhicks> kirkland: so a valid auth tok obviously isn't in the kernel keyring yet
[19:09] <hadifarnoud> seems like my sever blocks connection from other IPs. I get this error in syslog "SSL_accept error from unknown[<IP_ADDRESS>]:"
[19:35] <abrams> hello :)
[19:35] <pmatulis> hello there
[19:36] <abrams> guy's I have a problem with Unity desktop
[19:36] <abrams> i can't find resolution
[19:36] <pmatulis> abrams: try #ubuntu , this is the channel for ubuntu server
[19:36] <pmatulis> see topic ↑
[19:36] <abrams> When I try to drag and drop icon from unity to desktop
[19:37] <NigeyS> anyone know if i put an IncludeOptional into apache2.conf and it points to vhost configs, do i still have to run them through a2ensite?
[19:37] <abrams> ok
[19:37] <abrams> sory :)
[19:37] <pmatulis> abrams: is ok
[21:32] <kully3xf> what's up all. How can I compare many text file's contents in two directories?
[21:33] <kully3xf> diff -r dir1 dir2?
[21:33] <kully3xf> will that compare the file's contents or just if the file exists
[21:51] <elliotd123> anyone know if there's software out there that can basically let me run proccesses with the GPU instead of the onboard CPU?
[21:57] <genii> Probably the closest thing would be anything compiled using CUDA, but you'd also need an NVidia for that
[21:59] <elliotd123> that's ok, so I'm not familiar with CUDA, is that a compiler?
[22:02] <genii> elliotd123: It's a parallel-processing library from NVidia. It uses the cores of their GPUs
[22:02] <genii> elliotd123: If an app is compiled from source with CUDA enabled, it will use the NVidia card to run them on.
[22:03] <elliotd123> Sounds intriguing. I'll look into that. Thanks, genii
[22:19] <acmehandle> Is there a difference if I install something using just apt-get versus something from ppa?
[22:20] <acmehandle> I often see suggestions to install someting using PPA and I am wondering how necessary that might be
[22:20] <Patrickdk> it is the same thing
[22:20] <Patrickdk> just ppa normally means, not maintained by ubuntu
[22:21] <genii> Some PPA are more trusted than others, like for instance xorg-edgers
[22:21] <Patrickdk> I trust my ppa a lot
[22:21] <mapleton> I have a problem with Bind9.8 and Samba4(latest git) on Ubuntu Server 12.04.5LTS.  I'm trying to get DNS_DLZ working.  The DNS server was starting without the dynamic zones, and doing lookups fine, but integrated it hasn't started;  AppArmor is throwing a permissions error on /usr/local/samba/private/dns/sam.ldb (just wants r.)  I see the line for that file in /etc/apparmor.d/local/usr.sbin.named  (named is the bind user accoun
[22:22] <TechIsCool> how do I give a different user access to a single file
[22:22] <TechIsCool> I still need to allow the access to the file from the origingal group and user
[22:23] <Patrickdk> make a new group
[22:23] <Patrickdk> enable and use acl's?
[22:32] <sarnold> mapleton: you were cut off at "bind user accoun"
[22:33] <sarnold> mapleton: if you have a line /usr/local/samba/private/dns/sam.ldb r,   in your /etc/apparmor.d/local/usr.sbin.named file and your main /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.named file has an #include <local/usr.sbin.named> line, then you just need to reload the profile; apparmor_parser --replace /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.named   should do it
[22:33] <mapleton> thanks, sorry.
[22:33] <mapleton> was basically complete.. gonna give that a shot
[22:45] <mapleton> okay... got a little further.   "could not create /var/run/named/session.key"  I'm guessing its a permissions issue, since I'm no longer running bind as the default.  The samba wiki mentions (for the zone files) to chown named:named and chmod 640.  Does that apply here?
[22:46] <sarnold> mapleton: sorry, dunno there; it could be apparmor again.
[22:46] <sarnold> mapleton: check again for more DENIED lines in dmesg
[22:53] <mapleton> No Apparmor DENIED now, just a couple of permission errors, both in that directory.  Is it safe to add the chown and chmod 640 permission to /var/run/named/?
[22:53] <sarnold> mapleton: it's probably safe
[22:54] <sarnold> .. I'm not an expert on either one, but some user account has to own them, and it could either be bind or samba, depending upon how they are modified..
[22:54] <mapleton> one more thing, I guess:  how do I find the current ownership and permissions stats of a file
[22:54] <sarnold> mapleton: ls -l is the easiest
[22:55] <sarnold> mapleton: stat /path/to/filename can also show you
[22:55] <keithzg_> Hrmmm, does postfix filter relay recipients only during an actual connection to the relay?
[22:56] <mapleton> many thanks for your help, btw.. sarnold.. its my second day on ubuntu
[22:56] <sarnold> mapleton: welcome aboard :)
[22:56]  * keithzg_ is seeing a server just deferring mail to addresses that in theory should be filtered out by our relay_recipients
[22:57] <sarnold> mapleton: could you file a bug against apparmor (ubuntu-bug apparmor) once you've gotten it sorted? we may want to add the rules you needed to the default profile
[22:57] <mapleton> will do, thanks
[22:59] <mapleton> although I do feel a bit of a 'computer user, non-technical' so was thinking its more user error than anything ;)
[23:02] <sarnold> mapleton: hehe, not a bad first instinct, but it could be the others who have done this setup before you didn't report bugs either, hehe :)
[23:08] <mapleton> screw it... chmod 666 -r /
[23:10] <sarnold> hehe
[23:23] <mapleton> okay.. I've exhausted the troubleshooting steps I could guess at.  I even added (and reset) the directory to apparmor (** rwk) in case...  "Could not open '/var/run/named/named.pid',"could not create /var/run/named/session.key"  I used stat, and not entirely sure I know what I'm looking for, but its chmod is 664
[23:25] <mapleton> I changed ownership to named.  I assume the error "named[1913]" means thats the executable context (the daemon named)
[23:28] <sarnold> mapleton: correct, the 'named' comes from the process's "comm" field (first 16 bytes) and the 1913 is the pid of the process
[23:31] <mapleton> chown -r named /var/run/named did it.  one more error, but hey.. probably similar