[00:01] <UndiFineD> gn jens
[00:23] <nitin007> hello everyone
[05:30] <MK`> :o
[05:30] <MK`> hi
[06:51] <AJH101> Hi I have an error in Citrix: You have not chosen to trust "Thawte Premium Server CA", the issuer of the servers security certificate (SSL error 61). Can anyone help?
[06:55] <AJH101> I have checked the web but the solutions are beyond me! :-(
[06:55] <bioterror> on no
[06:55] <bioterror> shitrix
[06:55] <AJH101> lol not good eh!
[06:56] <bioterror> you need to copy  *.crt ja *.cer -files to /usr/lib/ICAClient/keystore/cacerts/
[06:56] <bioterror> ja = and ;D
[06:56] <AJH101> forgive me - where do i find those?!
[06:58] <bioterror> /usr/share/ca-certificates/mozilla/ do you have there?
[06:59] <MK`> Hey guys, I started using Ubuntu this week after years of Windows
[06:59] <MK`> The stability is foreign D:
[06:59] <Cheri703> anything in particular MK` ?
[06:59] <MK`> Was wondering if there are any specific pitfalls to avoid, or any extremely useful programs you guys can recommend
[07:00] <Cheri703> I'm a fan of tomboy notes / gnote (same program essentially)
[07:00] <Cheri703> also gimp, inkscape, etc :)
[07:00] <MK`> Inkscape I have, Gimp I haven't tried yet. Is Gimp the best raster graphics program you guys know of?
[07:01] <AJH101> bioterror: i have lots of files there - copy them all accross?
[07:01] <bioterror> AJH101, do you have .crt and .cer ?
[07:01] <Cheri703> as far as I know
[07:02] <MK`> I had another question but I forgot it, hm
[07:03] <AJH101> bioterrror: i have 6 crt files in the 1st location. Lots of crt files in the 2nd. No cer files
[07:04] <bioterror> AJH101, cp /usr/share/ca-certificates/mozilla/* /usr/lib/ICAClient/keystore/cacerts/
[07:04] <AJH101> biosrore - copy all of them?
[07:05] <AJH101> bioterrror: copy all of them?
[07:05] <bioterror> AJH101, disk space is technically free, go on
[07:08] <AJH101> bioterror: permission denied
[07:09] <AJH101> ?!
[07:09] <bioterror> use the sudo
[07:16] <MK`> oh, question: in the UI for like, file properties it shows 1 kb as 1024 b, but in the system programs it shows 1 kb as 1000 b. Is there a way for me to set Ubuntu to use the latter one consistently?
[07:16] <AJH101> bioterror: i can now log into work from within ubuntu. Thanks (i think!). Is there an equivalent of shift/F" to minimize the citrix window?
[07:16] <AJH101> shift/f2
[07:17] <bioterror> AJH101, I cant remember :D
[07:17] <AJH101> ok thanks - anyone else?
[07:19] <bioterror> AJH101, what do you think, does the MK` use citrix as a beginner? :)
[07:19] <bioterror> AJH101, most of the guys doesnt even know what's citrix
[07:20] <AJH101> i only know that it allows me to work from home (ie at the weekends!)
[07:20] <MK`> I don't know what citrix is
[07:21] <bioterror> mk, you're a one lucky guy! ;)
[07:21] <AJH101> bioterror: do you know of another forum to try perhaps?
[07:22] <MK`> heh
[12:44] <Daniel0108> STOP
[12:48] <NRWlion> hey Daniel0108
[13:07] <duanedesign> Omega-: connection trouble?
[14:33] <rokyronnie> Hi there
[14:34] <AbhijiT> hi
[14:38] <NRWlion> hey AbhijiT
[14:38] <AbhijiT> ??
[14:38] <AbhijiT> NRWlion, do i know you?
[14:39] <NRWlion> AbhijiT, the possibility is very small because i am in the process to become a teammember
[14:39] <AbhijiT> :/
[14:39] <NRWlion> so i think you might not know me ;)
[14:39] <AbhijiT> anyway
[14:40] <AbhijiT> welcome to whatever the team you are talking about! NRWlion :p
[14:40]  * NRWlion is focussing on wiki documentation
[14:41] <AbhijiT> good
[14:41] <NRWlion> but right now i am focussing on my Real Life project called Homepage :D
[14:42] <AbhijiT> ok
[14:52] <bethdo97> In doing an upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 on a wubi install do I want to keep or replace the customized configuration file '/etc/update-manager/release-upgrades'
[14:56] <bethdo97> In doing an upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 on a wubi install do I want to keep or replace the customized configuration file '/etc/update-manager/release-upgrades' I have blocked the grub-common packages and grub-pc in the package manager.  I wasn't sure how to answer this question.
[14:59] <NRWlion> hey bethdo97 i am not able to answer that question either. but i would try my luck in
[14:59] <NRWlion> #lubuntu
[14:59] <NRWlion> there you might get an answer perhaps
[19:04] <tomfromdelmonte> can i get some advice for an ubuntu noob?
[19:05] <charlie-tca> Please ask your question all in one line. All of us are volunteers and will attempt to answer if we know.
[19:05] <paultag> !ask
[19:05] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[19:06] <tomfromdelmonte> technically i didnt ask if i coould ask a question, i asked if i could get advice
[19:06] <tomfromdelmonte> which could be the same as... am i in the right place
[19:06] <charlie-tca> um, use the live cd
[19:06] <charlie-tca> ext4 is good
[19:06] <charlie-tca> I like Xubuntu better
[19:07] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:07] <charlie-tca> anything else ?
[19:07] <paultag> tomfromdelmonte: yeah :)
[19:07] <paultag> tomfromdelmonte: we're not the typical mean linux folk
[19:07] <tomfromdelmonte> ok ive just installed ubuntu server, never really used linux and server edition is command line only by default
[19:07] <paultag> tomfromdelmonte: most of us are pretty young and you know, nice
[19:07] <tomfromdelmonte> okok
[19:08] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:08] <tomfromdelmonte> anyway, when i issue a command that genenerates more than a page of output i cant scroll up to see the beginning
[19:08]  * charlie-tca is pretty old, but not too mean
[19:08] <tomfromdelmonte> such as dpkg -l
[19:08] <paultag> tomfromdelmonte: dpkg -l | less
[19:08] <tomfromdelmonte> do i have to do that for every command ?
[19:08] <paultag> tomfromdelmonte: that will let you go up and down, as well as "quit" the "scroll" mode
[19:08] <tomfromdelmonte> thats a PITA
[19:08] <charlie-tca> and use the spacebar to page the screen
[19:08] <tomfromdelmonte> ahhh
[19:09] <paultag> tomfromdelmonte: it's really not :) -- if it's a server, you may use ssh from a desktop box that stores scrollback
[19:09] <tomfromdelmonte> could i make it like that by default?
[19:09] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:09] <charlie-tca> you could assign it as an alias, for the command
[19:09] <tomfromdelmonte> i dont know how to use ssh
[19:09] <paultag> tomfromdelmonte: the issue is that the TTY mode is literally writing to your graphics card
[19:10] <tomfromdelmonte> is that cuz there is no gui by default?
[19:10] <paultag> tomfromdelmonte: so nothing in that mode really stores scrollback. You have to use something to buffer it. ssh is your best best
[19:10] <paultag> tomfromdelmonte: not really, it's how TTYs work :)
[19:10] <holstein> the lack of GUI is a feature
[19:10] <paultag> +1 holstein
[19:11] <paultag> tomfromdelmonte: sudo apt-get install ssh, then ssh user@<the ip>
[19:11] <holstein> i set up a server here
[19:11] <holstein> i ssh into it
[19:11] <charlie-tca> but it is still a difficult feature for new people to learn
[19:11] <paultag> tomfromdelmonte: then you can access the machine through gnome-terminal
[19:11] <holstein> its command line only
[19:11] <paultag> charlie-tca: servers are not basic
[19:11] <holstein> and it was a learning experience for me
[19:11] <holstein> to learn how to do what i need to do from the command line
[19:11] <paultag> hell, I have two. Both in states I've never been in :)
[19:11] <paultag> holstein: see, I was using GNU/Linux back when you had to manually configure xorg on the CLI before you had X
[19:12] <szczur> tomfromdelmonte, try using Shift+PageUp/PageDown
[19:12] <holstein> mostly how you are tomfromdelmonte
[19:12] <holstein> coming in here or somewhere and asking
[19:12] <holstein> or google
[19:12] <holstein> paultag: hehe :)
[19:12] <paultag> szczur: hotdam!
[19:12] <paultag> szczur: I never knew about that. Well done!
[19:12] <tomfromdelmonte> i spend half my life on google
[19:12] <szczur> heh
[19:12] <tomfromdelmonte> i would rather ask someone who knows
[19:13] <tomfromdelmonte> i tried to install off a bootable usb.. gets into the install and then starts trying to read off the cd rom
[19:13] <szczur> paultag, no problems :)
[19:13] <tomfromdelmonte> im lucky the server iso was less than 700mb
[19:13] <tomfromdelmonte> the server only has a cdrom drive
[19:13] <paultag> szczur: no, no problems, but well done! It's not often I learn such base stuff like that. Thanks!
[19:14] <holstein> tomfromdelmonte: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuServerFlashDriveInstaller
[19:14] <holstein> ^^ i found that via google
[19:14] <tomfromdelmonte> ok so im interested in this ssh thing
[19:15] <tomfromdelmonte> is that not included by default?
[19:15] <szczur> tomfromdelmonte, client is included by default, so you can connect to other servers
[19:16] <szczur> you have to install the server if you want it on your machine
[19:16] <tomfromdelmonte> the ssh server
[19:16] <tomfromdelmonte> i see
[19:16] <szczur> it allows you to do terminal work remotely
[19:16] <holstein> yeah, you'll want to have a monitor hooked up for a minute
[19:16] <tomfromdelmonte> and what that lets people do is get a shell on the machine right?
[19:16] <tomfromdelmonte> i have a monitor hooked up right now and im sat next to the server
[19:17] <holstein> sure, so you can look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH
[19:17] <holstein> and then, you can get it running headless
[19:17] <szczur> tomfromdelmonte, yeah, it allows you to do stuff even if you're not sitting next to the pc
[19:17] <holstein> and put it in a closet or something
[19:17] <holstein> mine is running in the crawl space :)
[19:19] <tomfromdelmonte> oh my god~!~!~~
[19:19] <tomfromdelmonte> what a fantastic idea
[19:19] <tomfromdelmonte> why didnt i think of that
[19:19] <tomfromdelmonte> mine is in the ''guest bedroom''
[19:19] <tomfromdelmonte> my wife keeps complaining its too noisy
[19:19] <tomfromdelmonte> i should stick it up in the attic
[19:19] <tomfromdelmonte> run some cat 5 u pthere
[19:20] <holstein> yup
[19:20] <tomfromdelmonte> i honestly didnt consider that
[19:20] <tomfromdelmonte> ok so...
[19:21] <tomfromdelmonte> sudo apt-get install ssh
[19:22] <tomfromdelmonte> shouldnt it be sudo apt-get install open-ssh server
[19:22] <tomfromdelmonte> openssh-server
[19:23] <holstein> tomfromdelmonte: for me
[19:23] <holstein> i read that page
[19:23] <holstein> and several others
[19:23] <holstein> for a while
[19:23] <holstein> and then, i set up an ssh server in virtual box
[19:23] <holstein> to learn more about it
[19:24] <tomfromdelmonte> what did u run in virtualbox|?
[19:24] <tomfromdelmonte> ubuntu server 10.10?
[19:24] <holstein> well, ubuntuserver = ubuntu
[19:24] <holstein> the repositories are all the same
[19:24] <holstein> you can install an ssh server on any of them
[19:25] <holstein> im just a little paranoid that way though
[19:25] <holstein> i like to test
[19:25] <tomfromdelmonte> o so i did sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[19:25] <holstein> and make sure i know whats up
[19:25] <tomfromdelmonte> and it did some stuff
[19:25] <holstein> BUT
[19:25] <tomfromdelmonte> but where doesw it install it to?
[19:25] <holstein> if you're behind a firewall
[19:25] <holstein> go for it
[19:25] <tomfromdelmonte> which i a,m
[19:25] <holstein> you really just have to try it
[19:25] <holstein> and develope a question
[19:25] <holstein> and go from there :)
[19:26] <tomfromdelmonte> ok
[19:28] <charlie-tca> tomfromdelmonte: /etc/ssh is where the configuration files will be placed. ssh_config is for ssh clients and sshd_config is for ssh server
[19:28] <tomfromdelmonte> yep awesome, i just saw that and im in the directory now
[19:28] <tomfromdelmonte> so i can ssh into this from a windows machine then?
[19:29] <tomfromdelmonte> or will it only work with open-ssh clients?
[19:54] <NRWlion> ok guys gotta go back to my RL. C u folks tomorrow evening after my shift. bye!
[19:56] <NRWlion> wb seidos and bye
[20:48] <tomfromdelmonte> wowowow
[20:48] <tomfromdelmonte> i can ssh into my server
[20:48] <tomfromdelmonte> it works
[20:48]  * holstein high-fives tomfromdelmonte
[20:48] <bioterror> nice to know
[20:48] <tomfromdelmonte> that is sweet as fk
[20:48] <holstein> handy
[20:49] <holstein> for sure
[20:49] <tomfromdelmonte> i cant believe it was as easy as that
[20:49] <tomfromdelmonte> literally i just did apt get
[20:49] <tomfromdelmonte> then i used putty from my windows laptop and it actually logged me into the server
[20:49] <holstein> yeah, putty is nice
[20:50] <bioterror> openssh-client is even more nice
[20:50] <holstein> true :)
[20:50] <tomfromdelmonte> i have a ubuntu laptop downstairs that should have the client on it
[20:50] <bioterror> tomfromdelmonte, when you get more into these kind of groups, you will understand more about ssh keys and stuff :D
[20:50] <tomfromdelmonte> so would i be right in saying that all ssh is encrytped and cant be packet sniffed?
[20:51] <bioterror> tomfromdelmonte, yes
[20:51] <tomfromdelmonte> bioterror, yeah i think so too
[20:51] <tomfromdelmonte> i understand the basics of assymetric encryption
[20:52] <tomfromdelmonte> and PKI
[20:52] <bioterror> tomfromdelmonte, if you employer has a firewall that blocks certain pages, you can make your homebox work as a proxy, make ssh-tunnel and and round that firewall settings, and all they see is some traffic in a port 22
[20:52] <tomfromdelmonte> nice!
[20:53] <holstein> bioterror: is there setup server-side for that?
[20:53] <tomfromdelmonte> but doesnt ssh consume more bandwidth due to the encryption?
[20:53] <bioterror> nope
[20:53] <bioterror> actually you can compress the traffic
[20:53] <tomfromdelmonte> really
[20:54] <tomfromdelmonte> is ssh vulnerable to brute forcing?
[20:54] <tomfromdelmonte> i mean the login
[20:54] <bioterror> yes
[20:54] <tomfromdelmonte> ahhhh
[20:54] <bioterror> every day someone is knocking your port
[20:54] <tomfromdelmonte> so if u knew a username on a machine u could run a brute force attack against the password
[20:54] <bioterror> yes
[20:55] <tomfromdelmonte> well this server, i wantr to run kippo on it (which emulates an ssh server) which is a honeypot
[20:55] <bioterror> there's tools
[20:55] <bioterror> yes
[20:55] <tomfromdelmonte> and see who tries to attack it
[20:55] <bioterror> or denyhosts
[20:55] <tomfromdelmonte> what is denyhosts
[20:56] <bioterror> http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/
[20:56] <holstein> ssh keys
[20:56] <tomfromdelmonte> oh brilliant
[20:56] <holstein> passwordless logins
[20:57] <tomfromdelmonte> that looks pretty interesting
[20:57] <tomfromdelmonte> so where do i view the ssh login attempt logs?
[20:57] <bioterror> /var/log/auth.log
[20:57] <holstein> good question
[20:59] <bioterror> Feb 26 13:28:10 graniitti sshd[6502]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=<IP_ADDRESS>  user=root
[20:59] <bioterror> looks something like that
[21:00] <tomfromdelmonte> yes, that log seems to show everything ive done all evening
[21:00] <tomfromdelmonte> there isnt a log that just contains ssh logins is there?
[21:01] <tomfromdelmonte> or would u have to grep for it
[21:03] <bioterror> tomfromdelmonte, you can grep it
[21:12] <lordjj> Hello, can someone tell me hoe to use cpufrqutils?
[21:12] <bioterror> yes
[21:12] <bioterror> what you want to do
[21:12] <lordjj> I was told it can help me manage my laptop power
[21:12] <bioterror> yes and no
[21:13] <bioterror> it can throttle your CPU
[21:13] <lordjj> since battery is only lasting around 2 hours, while on windows it lasts 4
[21:13] <lordjj> Well I did sudo apt-get cpufrequtils
[21:13] <lordjj> And now how do I access it?
[21:14] <lordjj> *install
[21:14] <bioterror> well
[21:14] <bioterror> what if you say cpufreq-info
[21:14] <bioterror> in terminal
[21:15] <bioterror> I would suggest to use "ondemand" as a governor
[21:15] <lordjj> Well I got some info
[21:15] <bioterror> !paste | lordjj
[21:15] <ubot2> lordjj: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[21:16] <bioterror> what if you way
[21:16] <lordjj> http://paste.ubuntu.com/572806/
[21:16] <bioterror> watch grep \"cpu MHz\" /proc/cpuinfo
[21:17] <bioterror> you have it as it should be now
[21:17] <bioterror> :)
[21:18] <lordjj> Well, why does my battery last half it's time as it does on Windows XP?
[21:19] <bioterror> do you have different display brightness?
[21:20] <lordjj> Well not that significantly
[21:21] <lordjj> And even when I decrease brightness, it never seems to last over 2 hours
[21:21] <bioterror> weird
[21:21] <bioterror> hope cpufrequtils helps
[21:22] <lordjj> So you're saying I don't need to play with my CPU frequencies?
[21:23] <lordjj> Well how do I control cpufrequtils?
[21:23] <lordjj> Terminal commands?
[21:24] <bioterror> I've never configured it much on ubuntu
[21:24] <bioterror> I have it on my arch installation
[21:24] <lordjj> Is there such an app with a GUI?
[21:25] <bioterror> I have cpu scaling without cpufrequtils on lubuntu
[21:26] <bioterror> gotta wonder this :D
[21:26] <lordjj> Well I have a question about PlayOnLinux
[21:26] <lordjj> I have Wine 1.2.2 installed
[21:27] <lordjj> What will PlayOnLinux add?
[21:28] <bioterror> I dunno
[21:28] <bioterror> I dont play games
[21:28] <lordjj> hm, ok
[21:28] <bioterror> if I play, it's something like mame, raptor: call of the shadows under dosbox
[21:40] <szczur> lordjj, you're using gnome?
[21:40] <szczur> you can add applet to your panels
[21:40] <lordjj> Yes
[21:40] <szczur> that you can easily change the frequency of your CPU
[21:41] <lordjj> Oh thanks, didn't know
[21:41] <lordjj> Was that there already or is it from cpufrequtils?
[21:41] <szczur> it's called cpu frequency scaling monitor
[21:41] <szczur> add as many as you need for your cpu;s
[21:42] <szczur> and configure them , by rightclicking on them and changing the cpu that current aplet is controling
[21:42] <lordjj> I see
[21:43] <lordjj> what's the difference between the options
[21:43] <lordjj> Conservative; OnDemand; Powersave
[21:43] <lordjj> Performance obviously is max, right?
[21:43] <szczur> Ondemand will give the max performance of the CPU when it's needed
[21:44] <szczur> for example watching youtube
[21:45] <szczur> powersave switches the cpu to lowest frequency and doesn't change it like ondemand do
[21:45] <szczur> don't know about conservative
[21:45] <bioterror> ondemand is the best option
[21:45] <bioterror> just like with car ;)
[21:45] <lordjj> Well the CPUs where already at their lowest; 1.20 GHz, I don't understand why the battery still lasts half the windows time
[21:46] <bioterror> consumes less gasoline when you reach the certain speed as fast as possible
[21:48] <lordjj> What about "conservative"?
[21:51] <bioterror> Activate the conservative governor to save a little extra power by letting the CPU stay longer at each frequency step before changing:
[21:52] <szczur> conservative is like the ondemand, but ondemand bumps to maximum performance automatically and conservative goest to the next frequency, so it is more "fluid"
[21:53] <szczur> not onlu 100% and lowest setting, but also the levels between them
[21:53] <bioterror> with ondemand your cpu is turbocharged :D
[21:53] <szczur> ^^
[21:53] <johnny77> can a format fix a "corrupted" hard rive?
[21:53] <johnny77> *drive
[21:54] <bioterror> johnny77, how is it corrupted?
[21:55] <bioterror> actually
[21:55] <johnny77> bioterror: not exactly sure. Here is what is does. It boots, shows starting windows splash screen, flips to a blue screen, reboots.
[21:56] <bioterror> as I have ondemand, it scales between the frequences
[21:56] <johnny77> bioterror: We took it somewhere and they said it was corrupted and I needed a new one.
[21:56] <bioterror> 800 -> 1500 -> 2100 -> 2700 -> 1500 -> 2100 -> 800
[21:56] <Cheri703> johnny77: not sure any of it will help, but check out ubuntu rescue remix, has lots of utilities to aid recovery
[21:56] <bioterror> johnny77, if the filesystem is just messed up, format it :D
[21:56] <seidos> eyeballs
[21:57] <johnny77> why would they tell me I needed a new one, if all I had to do was format? It's an old one we don't even use... thought I might play around with a ubuntu minimal install.
[21:58] <Cheri703> johnny77: where did you take it?
[21:59] <johnny77> Cheri703: some local computer store.
[21:59] <seidos> windows?
[21:59] <johnny77> seidos: if that is directed to me, yes.
[21:59] <Cheri703> johnny77: I'd say just toss it in a computer and try to install ubuntu, see what you get
[22:00] <johnny77> Cheri703: It's in an old computer.
[22:00] <szczur> then install lubuntu :)
[22:00] <Cheri703> ok, then try installing...have you done that yet?
[22:00] <szczur> *ba dum tsss*
[22:01] <johnny77> never even tried because I thought it needed a new HD.
[22:06] <seidos> johnny77: if you have bad sectors, you should get a warning in ubuntu
[22:07] <seidos> i had a bad drive and i got bad sector errors
[22:07] <seidos> not sure if that will help, just filling up the emptiness
[22:22] <Cheri703> johnny77: you could connect it to another computer and run checks/repairs on it
[22:41] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[22:41] <kristian-aalborg> http://www.qavimator.org/ <--- anybody running this?
[22:41] <JackyAlcine> How you reconfigure an installed package?
[22:44] <bioterror> sudo dpkg-reconfigure package
[22:46] <JackyAlcine> \o/
[22:46] <bioterror> and I fixed my auth.log \o/
[22:46] <JackyAlcine> What logs to that file?
[22:46] <bioterror> cron doesnt puke stuff into it
[22:47] <bioterror> took 1.5h of googling :D
[22:58] <johnny77> is this what I need to download install a CLI? -  http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/alternative-download#alternate
[22:59] <yofel> the alternate image is the CLI installer, yes
[22:59] <johnny77> yofel: ty
[22:59] <yofel> or what do you exactly look for?
[23:00] <yofel> since your quesiton is a bit unclear
[23:01] <MK`> Is there a GUI for shred available?
[23:09] <johnny77> yofel: I have an old low-resource computer I want to try to install some form of Ubuntu. I want to start with a CLI to be sure it will install.
[23:09] <yofel> ok, then use the alternate image, right
[23:20] <jalittl3> I have installed Ubuntu 10.10 on an external HDD.  I have it configured perfectly for my computer. I have installed the proprietary ATI graphics driver because it works much better on my system and runs much cooler. However, my intention for installing it on an external was to be able to plug it into any computer and boot. How would I be able to select between configurations in GRUB? And how do I set up each configuration (graphics d
[23:20] <jalittl3> river)?  I wish to choose between the ATI driver and the generic, open-source driver.  Your help would be greatly appreciated!
[23:22] <holstein> http://superuser.com/questions/191051/different-graphic-cards-drivers-while-booting-from-external-media
[23:23] <holstein> might take a little tweaking for 10.10
[23:23] <holstein> jalittl3: ^
[23:24] <jalittl3> Thank you! I'll look through this and see if I can get it set up. If not, I'm sure I'll be back with more questions.  Thanks again!
[23:24] <holstein> good luck :)


[05:26] <inetpro> good morning
[05:37] <superfly> morning inetpro
[07:22] <sakhi> moonin
[07:37] <superfly> hi sakhi
[07:51] <Kilos> morning superfly inetpro nuvolari  and everyone else
[07:52] <superfly> hi Kilos
[08:03] <inetpro> hi Kilos
[18:53] <Morganvd> Evening all
[18:53] <Morganvd> anyone know where i can buy a netbook with ubuntu preloaded?
[19:01] <Trixar_za> Not sure you get those easily in SA. Most of them come with Windows Preloaded - if you want it or not. You do get deals by some places that offer deals with a linux pre-installed though. The place near my house offers you an Compaq laptop with FreeDos preinstalled with a burned Ubuntu Disc of the latest version.
[19:02] <Morganvd> kewl im just looking for a new netbook
[19:02] <Morganvd> my HP mini fell 8 stories on thursday last week
[19:02] <Morganvd> and im thinking of getting something that works better with ubuntu
[19:09] <Morganvd> k seems the HP mini is still the best value for money
[19:39] <Kilos> hi Morganvd how you manage to drop it outa window
[19:39] <Morganvd> lol
[19:39] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[19:39] <Kilos> lol
[19:39] <Morganvd> i didnt the the porter did
[19:39] <Morganvd> he was packing the bags
[19:40] <Morganvd> on the trolly
[19:40] <Kilos> not funny. expensive mistake that if its not insured
[19:40] <Morganvd> not insured
[19:40] <Kilos> insure the next one
[19:40] <Morganvd> so its not funny
[19:40] <Kilos> and kill the porter
[19:40] <Morganvd> busy with it
[19:40] <Morganvd> auto and general full of crap
[19:40] <Kilos> eish
[19:41] <Kilos> try outsurance
[19:41] <Morganvd> nah same company
[19:41] <Morganvd> im going with momentum
[19:41] <Kilos> according to their adds on the idiot box you dont know one is gone before the replacement is there
[19:41] <Morganvd> they have been good to us in the past
[19:42] <Kilos> sorry man thats a bad one
[19:42] <Morganvd> yeah well i saw the porter hang it on clothing rail on the trollie
[19:42] <Kilos> hope you can get all your work of the harddrive still
[19:42] <Morganvd> its one of those real hotel trollies
[19:42] <Morganvd> it was a personal machine
[19:42] <Morganvd> so no work
[19:42] <Kilos> eish
[19:43] <Kilos> what a blow
[19:43] <Kilos> sue the hotel too
[19:43] <Kilos> lol
[19:43] <Kilos> pain and suffering too
[19:43] <Morganvd> cant they have liability signs all over
[19:43] <Kilos> eish
[19:44] <Kilos> next time carry it yourself
[19:44] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[19:44] <Morganvd> lesson learned
[19:44] <Morganvd> make sure its insured
[19:44] <Morganvd> and 2 make sure no one touches it but you
[19:44] <Kilos> i go sleep now. night all . sleep tight
[19:44] <Kilos> yip
[20:34] <Symmetria> sup
[20:54] <Owkkuri> sup