[18:49] <kamikazeattacks> daftykins, I mean distro "based on Ubuntu", which has their own desktop environment. :)
[18:49] <bellflower> TJ: It booted and ran fine, so if no better suggestions, I could swap the HDs back to the 250, and start copying files off of it to another HD. Extra steps and time consuming, but workable.
[18:50] <daftykins> kamikazeattacks: yes, we don't really deal with other distros, not even variants
[18:50] <daftykins> kamikazeattacks: so unless you want to know of xubuntu, lubuntu or ubuntu MATE...
[18:50] <TJ-> bellflower: before you copy, check on how big the disk reports itself. If that is less than 488396800 sectors, it'll not get the data.
[18:51] <kamikazeattacks> daftykins, Where is a complete list of all desktop environments ever for Linux ??? :)  Could somebody give me a link ? :)
[18:51] <daftykins> kamikazeattacks: sure, over in ##linux
[18:52] <TJ-> bellflower: it makes no sense that the drive would report different sizes based solely on whether it is the boot device or not, *unless* you have configured the booting OS to *disable* HPA at boot-time
[18:53] <Tahr-user> Hi  - Firefox will display my pdf properly, but evince, while readable, chooses a font that is not the right one and the spacing is sometimes funky..... it there a cetain .ttf that I should install ?
[18:54] <bellflower> TJ: I honestly have no idea why it boots and functions as-is, but unreadable any time it's connected as USB to a 64 bit OS.
[18:54] <TJ-> bellflower: "as USB" HAHA! I wonder if your USB<>disk adapter has a limit - many do
[18:55] <bellflower> TJ: I suspect it may have some of it's own issues, but It does read, repair, and copy 1TB HDs without probs.
[18:55] <daftykins> gah now we're told it's not internal :)
[18:55] <TJ-> bellflower: in other words, the USB<>disk chipset is presenting its own view of the disk sectors, not simply passing through the value from the disk itself
[18:56] <bellflower> TJ: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13249633/  (sorry it took so long. Had to install smarttools.)
[18:56] <TJ-> bellflower: thanks :)
[18:56] <TJ-> bellflower: can you also "dmesg | pastebinit" so we can see what the kernel thinks is connected
[18:56] <ubuntu972> daftykins: I get it, the 14.10 it a total mess... better use 14.04
[18:56] <TJ-> bellflower: gah, its the bridge! "/dev/sdb: Unknown USB bridge [0x0411:0x01c5 (0x108)]"
[18:57] <daftykins> ubuntu972: yay
[18:57] <poningru> hello I have weird issue, with the free amd drivers whenver I do a rotation to one of my screens my other screens turns black
[18:57] <poningru> hardware:
[18:57] <poningru> I have two screens , one is displayport and other is dvi
[18:57] <poningru> connected
[18:57] <poningru> the displayport is setup 'normally' i.e landscape orientation
[18:58] <poningru> the dvi is setup in portrait mode
[18:58] <poningru> and when I try to use the display configration utility
[18:58] <TJ-> bellflower: smartctl can use special device-specific pass-through commands for some USB bridges. If we identify what it is we may be able to figure it out
[18:58] <daftykins> poningru: try fglrx ?
[18:58] <poningru> and change the rotation of the dvi screen my displayport based screen goes dark
[18:58] <bellflower> TJ: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13249661/  (Looks like line 1039+ )
[18:59] <poningru> but the mouse pointer is visible
[18:59] <poningru> daftykins, thats what I'm using now but is a non-optimal solution for now
[18:59] <poningru> causes multiple other issues that I've to deal with
[18:59] <poningru> i.e screen flickers and crashes
[19:00] <poningru> this describes my problem but on a different hardware:
[19:00] <poningru> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1417320
[19:05] <TJ-> bellflower: all those USB 'device not accepting address' errors don't look promising
[19:07] <bellflower> TJ: I do have some work-around ideas that I can go with. Just the same it would explain why the drive is readable internally, but not via USB.
[19:07] <TJ-> bellflower: is the device connected via a USB3 or USB2 port? (and is the device natively USB3?)
[19:07] <TJ-> bellflower: yes, internally the disk isn't going through a bridge so it'll be fine
[19:07] <bellflower> TJ: If that is the case, I can always swap HDs back, move stuff to a smaller USB thumb drive, then re-swap and copy them to the newer HD.
[19:07] <TJ-> bellflower: did the HD-PCTU2 originally have a 250GB drive in it?
[19:08] <bellflower> TJ: No, it's just an adapter that was reflashed to work as generic.
[19:08] <TJ-> bellflower: I'm wondering if Buffalo firmware-limit those things in order to stop people buying the low-capacity cheaper version and simply replacing the hard disk with a cheaper large one
[19:08] <regedit> what does it mean when QApt doesnt want to install a .deb because "Error: Cannot satisfy dependencies", but dpkg -i does so no problem and a subsequent sudo apt-get -f install doesn't even seem necessary (nothing seems to get pacthed up - unless i'm mistaken?) ?
[19:08] <TJ-> bellflower: 'reflashed' ... the more you reveal the more I die a little :)
[19:09] <bellflower> TJ: Ironically enough, the person who gave it to me bought it because they only needed a 500GB hard drive and it was cheaper than locally buying just the HD.
[19:09] <regedit> is there any way to see more specifics of what QApt is complaining about when it very generically says "Error: Cannot satisfy dependencies"
[19:09] <bellflower> TJ: Wasn't my doing. IT was a freebie when I needed one.
[19:10] <TJ-> bellflower: OK, but the fact you've got obstacles in the way of the disk isn't helping when we start out believing its a direct connect disk with no 'weird' translation going on. Anyhow, so now you know the cause. Loose the bridge :)
[19:11] <bellflower> TJ: Unfortunately, most laptops do not have space or connections for multiple HDs.
[19:11] <bellflower> TJ: But this has seriously been a big help. Knowing where the issue resides reveals a lot more possible solutions.
[19:14] <bellflower> I'm off to go swap some HDs around. Good luck to everybody else.
[19:16] <Gnjurac> hi i have some files that are generated but they are broken cant extact them if i dont rename them duno why
[19:16] <Gnjurac> demo.datagz
[19:16] <Gnjurac> cant extract if not rename to demo.data.gz
[19:17] <Gnjurac> so can i somehow mass rename them to ad . 2 leters from end
[19:21] <Octubre2> HI. I'm trying to import a .ova in VirtualBox but when is ending returns this report : http://paste.ubuntu.com/13249873/
[19:21] <Gnjurac> if i make binbash script how to tell it to read dire where script is located
[19:23] <daftykins> Octubre2: #vbox
[19:23] <Octubre2> thx daftykins
[19:23] <greedlexer> Octubre2: sounded hard
[19:24] <Gnjurac> me me answer me
[19:25] <k1l_> Gnjurac: best to ask in #bash for bash scripts etc.
[19:26] <SubCool> why is my sound going to my laptop speakers instead of my HDMI Montior? ive gone through the settings on the sounds tray. I have even tested the sounds via the sound tray to the hdmi monitor. ANd it works. but when i play a movie. it plays on the laptop.
[19:28] <greedlexer> SubCool: the program may over ride system settings. Check program sound output settings. Gnjurac Octubre2
[19:29] <Gnjurac> what
[19:29] <Octubre2> he is sick
[19:29] <SubCool> greedlexer, its a stream via chrome
[19:31] <akik> Gnjurac: you can use dirname and readlink to do that
[19:32] <SubCool> greedlexer, wtf?
[19:32] <Gnjurac> will try tky akik
[19:32] <Octubre2> xD
[19:32] <greedlexer> SubCool: you sure system settings are right
[19:33] <SubCool> i just attached a bluetooth headset, and it wont play to them either.
[19:36] <ulot0> hello
[19:36] <ulot0> how are you
[19:40] <melray> Can someone have a look at this and verify that I need to change write permissions and put the user in the mail group? http://paste.ubuntu.com/13250013/
[19:43] <SubCool> can sonmeone please help me with my speakers
[19:45] <latze> good evening
[19:48] <melray> Nevermind I got is solved...
[19:50] <latze> I have a Lite-On sata controller which causes a lot of issues with Xubuntu and the 4.x kernels (also with olders ones, but fewer issue there). Is this the right place to ask for help?
[19:50] <akik> ... nevermind ... and then nothing
[19:50] <isReKT2000> latze, it probably is drivers
[19:50] <latze> yes
[19:51] <SubCool> im going in circles, please.
[19:51] <latze> I guess so. But I was hoping someone has already experience with this sata controller and could give a hint on which drivers to use :-)
[19:51] <lostsoul> Anyone here lost their NetworkManager in ubuntu 14.0.4?  Isn't showing up on the title bar and I"m connected
[19:52] <MonkeyDust> lostsoul  type this in a terminal:   nm-applet
[19:53] <MonkeyDust> lostsoul  keep it in the channel
[19:54] <MonkeyDust> !pm | lostsoul
[19:55] <MonkeyDust> lostsoul  stop
[19:56] <lostsoul> The nm-applets output: ** (nm-applet:7312): WARNING **: Could not initialize NMClient /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager: The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files
[19:56] <lostsoul> ** (nm-applet:7312): WARNING **: Could not initialize NMClient /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager: The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files
[19:57] <freeone3000> My upgrade to linux-image-3.16.0-53-generic seems to be stuck on the step "Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin". I'm running inside Hyper-V. Does this step usually take longe rthan 10 minutes, or can I somehow skip it?
[19:57] <lostsoul> Those are the two lines it put out.
[19:59] <freeone3000> Error "task modprobe:8380 blocked for more than 120 seconds. not tainted 3.16.0-30-generic #40~14.04.1-Ubuntu" is now the most recent error.
[19:59] <SubCool> nvm got it
[20:00] <epinky> !ping
[20:01] <MonkeyDust> lostsoul  not sure what that error message means
[20:01] <SubCool> Here is a good question for you. WHen doing a UPgrade from 12. to 14.0 = via terminal. Do-release-upgrade. THis is a remote system. headless. Will there be any interaction necessary?
[20:01] <MonkeyDust> SubCool  yes, a lot, i tried it... took several hours
[20:01] <lostsoul> Configured a DHCP and hosed up the config (after it was working), then when I got communications back the manager was not to be found.
[20:02] <lickalott> daftykins, bellflower, just sold the TV for $100.  made $50 off of it that I can put towards something newer.
[20:02] <SubCool> MonkeyDust, i dont mind the time. but ... - if there is any intereaction on the host side that i can reach via terminal. kinda f'ed
[20:02] <MonkeyDust> SubCool  and it was local here, remote may be even slower
[20:03] <MonkeyDust> SubCool  but yes, you have to hit enter or 'yes' several times
[20:03] <Kinoko> imagine , my mobile have a good hardware, a very well placed on-off power button,,in a certain day, the mototrolla was meaning me to enforce an update from androed 4.1 to 4.4.2, ok, one day was been the suficient time fˆto LINUX SE ENVIROMNMENT, inbuilted in this shit 4.4.2 to DELETE THE POWER ON-OFF command of my mobile, what you say?
[20:03] <SubCool> i can do that via terminal cant i? or does it pop up on the host screen?
[20:04] <MonkeyDust> SubCool  not sure, as i said, it was local here... just sayong, do-release-upgrade is slow
[20:04] <Kinoko> They are distorting LINUX SE USAGE , turning onto a virus
[20:05] <puka> hi guys
[20:06] <Pici> Kinoko: Does this rant have anything to do with Ubuntu?  You're in a support channel right now.
[20:06] <puka> for a reason: "botnet ip" i was banned
[20:06] <puka> on this channel
[20:06] <puka> ... anyone know why that happens?
[20:06] <genii> Kinoko: Maybe you want the #android channel
[20:06] <Kinoko> Pici: of course, LINUX SE ubuntu uses too.
[20:06] <Pici> puka: You'll need to take it up with #freenode, #ubuntu doesn't perform any bans like that.
[20:07] <Kinoko> #android is a BAND OF STUPID THIEVES THAT ARE DESTROYING UBUNTU LAWS.
[20:07] <puka> ok another problem :) i'm so proud of me :D a guy on a forum need a script in python.. so i made for him the script that actually works EPIC good :D and the guy want to give me a .txt file to transform the file for him
[20:07] <puka> like he have the txt "him;else;adsaf;fdsgsd" etc and i transform that txt into verical that names
[20:07] <puka> so it's a chance to get firuses on xubuntu taking and open that .txt file?
[20:09] <puka> guys ?
[20:10] <wafflejock> puka: not likely, if you don't run the process that uses the file as root it has limited ability to do damage to the system since it can't modify things owned by root, that said there's always a chance of a bug being exploited by some file you pull from the internet
[20:10] <Kinoko> I am root, the shit gogle don't likes, why? this is linux, linux HAVE TO BE ROOT. if the shits from gogle don't like superuser? who is the superuser? they?
[20:10] <wafflejock> !language | Kinoko
[20:10] <genii> Kinoko: This is not the channel to carry on about Android or rant in
[20:10] <k1l_> puka: if you dont execute that file while not knowing what it does you cant get a virus from that
[20:10] <puka> it's a .txt file
[20:11] <puka> so it cant be a wirus if i run a script in python that (file.txt, "w")
[20:11] <puka> ??
[20:11] <Abe> Kinoko: No we are not always root most of the time we aren't thats why we use sudo
[20:12] <ioria> puka you can put every script you want in a .txt...
[20:12] <wafflejock> puka: extensions don't really guarantee anything about the contents, like k1l_ said though so long as it isn't marked executable it shouldn't be run as a program reading the contents of a file that isn't executable shouldn't expose you to any possible viruses, but viruses make use of bugs in software to do their dirty work sometimes
[20:13] <Octubre2> anybody knows how to extract a disk image from a .ova of virtualbox in ubuntu?
[20:13] <puka> soo if ... :(( i'm so scared now.. so if i have that script..
[20:13] <puka> with open ("uh.txt", "r") as fisier:
[20:13] <puka>     a = fisier.read().replace(";", "\n")
[20:13] <puka>     with open ("uhfinal.txt", "w") as file:
[20:13] <puka>         file.write(a)
[20:13] <puka> it's a chance to get a virus in my pc?
[20:14] <Pici> puka: thats just cat uh.txt | tr \; \\n > uhfinal.txt
[20:15] <puka> i learn pyton not command in terminal so for all things i do i try to use python scripts to learn more
[20:15] <puka> so how i can see if my pc is virused?
[20:15] <puka> cuz i'm kinda scarred right now
[20:15] <Abe> I think you ment infected*
[20:15] <genii> puka: If you do: file whateveritscalled.txt  it will tell you if it's actually a text file or something different, before you try to do something with it
[20:15] <Pici> puka: thats a harmless python script.  also, this is #ubuntu, not #python
[20:16] <BluesKaj> puka, you worry too much
[20:16] <vitimiti> Hi, how can I upload the packages I installed through ubuntu-make? Do I have to redownload them one by one?
[20:17] <MonkeyDust> !av > puka
[20:17] <puka> uh.txt: ISO-8859 text, with very long lines, with no line terminators
[20:17] <puka> is this ok?
[20:17] <genii> It's fine
[20:17] <Chaser> Octubre2: You can use tar to extract an ova
[20:17] <puka> genii ur a good guy u teach me something new today :D
[20:18] <Octubre2> thank you Chaser just now i was reading this on google finally
[20:18] <puka> so my pc it's not virused right? cuz that is a truly .txt file
[20:20] <genii> puka: The odds are your computer is fine
[20:20] <puka> genii also how i know if i run command as a root or a user
[20:20] <puka> it's higly recommended to run commands as a user?
[20:20] <puka> if yes how i do that?
[20:20] <MonkeyDust> puka  type   whoami
[20:20] <ioria> or id
[20:20] <puka> it say puka
[20:21] <puka> when i type whoami
[20:21] <bryn> d
[20:22] <genii> puka: Any commands you run normally will just be as the user you are logged in as. If you put sudo before the command ( for command-line applications) or if you put gksu (for graphical applications) then it will be running as an administrator
[20:22] <puka> hmm genii i want to know more about how i can detect if a file is viruse dor not
[20:23] <ioria> clamav
[20:23] <xubuntu> hi
[20:24] <Guest54213> lml
[20:24] <puka> genii: also if i want to open a .txt file and it say i need to insert a password it's kinda "stranger danger" ?
[20:25] <genii> puka: How did you attempt to open the file?
[20:25] <puka> double click
[20:25] <puka> and it say
[20:25] <puka> something utfo-8
[20:25] <puka> that the file it's not utfo-8 something like this
[20:25] <OerHeks> only if that .txt is outside your home, you would need sudo. else use your common sense.
[20:25] <puka> and i close the tab that appears
[20:25] <genii> puka: That is only a warning about the character set encoding, nothing to worry over
[20:27] <genii> puka: As ioria indicated, if you want to scan for viruses, install clamav and use that
[20:27] <puka> genii: so where u recomend to put files "no-name" if i want to open them?
[20:27] <puka> is that in ubuntu software center?
[20:27] <deniz946> Hello, can be ubuntu installed on a MAC?
[20:27] <genii> puka: Usually someplace like /home/puka/Downloads  or /home/puka/incoming would be good
[20:27] <genii> !apple
[20:28] <genii> deniz946: The short answer is yes
[20:28] <puka> so should i install ClamTK ... it's gona eat rams???
[20:28] <deniz946> genii, but it's hard to make it work?
[20:28] <bekks> puka: Unused RAM is wasted RAM.
[20:28] <puka> yeah but i have only 2gb ram :D
[20:28] <genii> deniz946: Depending on model and EFI/UEFI, sometimes.
[20:29] <ioria> puka o yes
[20:29] <ioria> if you run in daemon mode
[20:29] <puka> genii: how i can add u to friends or something like that? cuz if i have problems anymore i need someone to contact
[20:29] <bekks> puka: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[20:29] <bekks> puka: just visit this channel again.
[20:29] <genii> puka: I am always available on here from 10am to 5pm weekdays, EDT time
[20:30] <puka> oh ok
[20:30] <puka> were r u from?
[20:30] <puka> i'm from romania :D
[20:30] <genii> puka: I am Canadian
[20:31] <puka> ok so what's the hour on ur country right now?
[20:31] <MonkeyDust> a vampire and grizzly adams
[20:31] <MonkeyDust> (joke)
[20:31] <Al3x_10m> 22:31
[20:31] <puka> not u alex :D
[20:31] <Al3x_10m> :P
[20:31] <Al3x_10m> i'm also from romania..
[20:32] <puka> nice :D
[20:32] <genii> puka: Right now it is 15:31
[20:32] <Pici> #ubuntu-offtopic exists for idle chatter, lets keep #ubuntu free for support questions.
[20:32] <puka> so u stay 2 hours online right?
[20:32] <bazhang> puka please take the chit chat to the offtopic channel
[20:33] <genii> puka: No, I an online 10:00 to 17:00 so 7 hours
[20:34] <goddard> how can i increase the file limit that is set in ubuntu
[20:34] <goddard> it is currently 1024
[20:35] <bekks> which "file limit"?
[20:35] <OerHeks> What application would need that?
[20:37] <TJ-> !ulimit | goddard
[20:37] <TJ-> hmmm... ubottu is on vacation?
[20:37] <OerHeks> nope
[20:37] <bazhang> ubottu, lag
[20:37] <bazhang> nopers
[20:37] <Pici> TJ-: no, there no factoid for ulimit
[20:37] <OerHeks> just not doing its job, like keeping a log.
[20:37] <ioria> ^_^
[20:37] <akik> goddard: look into /etc/security/limits.conf
[20:38] <TJ-> Pici: drat, I thought there was!
[20:38] <goddard> akik: i tried but it is write protected even when using sudo
[20:38] <k1l_> goddard: can you give more details what you do and what error you get exactly?
[20:39] <akik> goddard: it should be a normal file
[20:41] <OerHeks> if i use 'sysctl fs.file-max' in 15.04, i get fs.file-max = 600206
[20:42] <akik> i think goddard means nofile open files per process
[20:43] <goddard> akik: its helpful when using inotify
[20:43] <bekks> goddard: helpful for what?
[20:43] <goddard> functions of inotify
[20:43] <k1l_> goddard: so you want to increase the inotify limit?
[20:44] <bekks> goddard: a full problem description could be handy.
[20:44] <k1l_> goddard: its best to give all that informations in the first questions so people dont get frustrated of having to ask every detail and wait for the answer
[20:45] <ignacio> Wow
[20:45] <ignacio> Congrats, Ubuntu is on GCI
[20:46] <goddard> Here is an example of the value I want to change
[20:46] <goddard> ulimit -n
[20:46] <bekks> goddard: And what for you want to change it? Which error message do you get when doing what?
[20:55] <truckcrash> Anyone know why my rsync transfers are always so slow (like 2KB/s on average)?
[20:55] <truckcrash> Im not even sure how to trouble shoot it from here
[20:56] <truckcrash> the internet in general is not that slow (at either end)
[20:56] <john_doe_jr> when I do a make command to build some software..where does that binary usually get built?  Is it in the bin folder or something?
[20:56] <andres_> hola soy nuevo aqui quiero que me ayusen por favor
[20:56] <MonkeyDust> truckcrash  rsync from..to what?
[20:56] <Pici> john_doe_jr: generally. or somewhere within the folder you run make from.
[20:57] <genii> !es | andres_
[20:57] <wileee> !details | truckcrash
[20:57] <truckcrash> local machine to my vps
[20:57] <john_doe_jr> Pici: how would I know?
[20:57] <truckcrash> wileee, I will gladly give more details,but like i say Im not sure what else to provide. I can answer any questions you have
[20:58] <Pici> john_doe_jr: look for new executable files?
[20:58] <wileee> truckcrash, playing dumb does not help basic details are basic details.
[20:59] <truckcrash> wileee, please enlighten me, what else would you like to know.
[20:59] <truckcrash> ?
[20:59] <wileee> attitudes get a free ignore
[21:01] <MonkeyDust> truckcrash  what were you doing, prior to coming here... what brings you here
[21:01] <Chaser> truckcrash: if you scp a big file do you get more throughput ?
[21:01] <Chaser> (would start there)
[21:02] <genii> wileee: Please try to be civil, this user does not appear to be purposely giving vague information, they likely just need someone to ask the right questions to elicit it
[21:03] <truckcrash> MonkeyDust, I would like to transfer some files from my local machine to my vps, so I opened the terminal, and typed the rsync command.
[21:03] <truckcrash> Chaser, I will try with a larger file and let you konw
[21:03] <Chaser> truckcrash: if this was subsequent rsync, then there may not be much to transfer at all :)
[21:04] <truckcrash> Chaser: just trying to find a new big file to transfer now :)
[21:07] <wileee> genii, this channel as is addressed above by a mod has a problem with a the least regular user coming here and not diving basic details. If I'm treated with an attitude I'm glad to mirror it, that was not started by me nor should I have to play the drama.
[21:07] <wileee> sorry for spelling errors
[21:08] <OerHeks> touch abc.txt && truncate -s 256M abc.txt
[21:09] <reisio> you using truncate to do the opposite of truncate? :p
[21:10] <reisio> that's villianous
[21:10] <jamesguessis> where do I ask for help?
[21:10] <OerHeks> oh i can fill it with random data too,..
[21:10] <k1l_> jamesguessis: here :)
[21:10] <genii> jamesguessis: If you give a brief description here, someone should try to help
[21:11] <jamesguessis> ok, so I'm trying to build a program from it's source, but when I run `make` it gives me the error saying it can't find uuid
[21:11] <jamesguessis> but I have uuid-dev installed
[21:12] <angelica_> hi how to uninstal xubuntu i need to put a fresh copy in it ?
[21:13] <ubuntu> hello
[21:13] <ubuntu> i'm using ubuntu
[21:13] <angelica_> hi
[21:14] <MonkeyDust> angelica_  use gparted on  a live dvd or usb, delete the ubuntu partition, reinstall
[21:14] <Guest37133> Hi
[21:14] <k1l_> angelica_: just install over the old one
[21:14] <Guest37133> this is ubuntu 5.10
[21:14] <Guest37133> Live cd
[21:14] <Chaser> jamesguessis: uuid-dev doesn't seem to install uuid binary just dev files. I would install uuid package
[21:14] <genii> jamesguessis: Is this some program you need to make because it's not already provided in the repositories or in a PPA?
[21:14] <angelica_> it will delete the old one?(my intent)
[21:14] <k1l_> jamesguessis: what program exactly? what ubuntu exactly? what exact error? (in a pastebin)
[21:14] <MonkeyDust> Guest37133  you mean 15.10?
[21:14] <Guest37133> or 16.04
[21:17] <angelica_> i have xubuntu on usbpen but when i insert it on this older version of xubuntu instead of autorun the install it run how call it simulation of it till the pen is in
[21:18] <jamesguessis> well the program I want is here https://github.com/MCMrARM/mcpelauncher-linux
[21:18] <jamesguessis> I'm using 16.04
[21:18] <angelica_> how is called here the exe?
[21:18] <jamesguessis> http://pastebin.com/8GxVTWnj
[21:19] <jamesguessis> and that's the make output
[21:19] <MonkeyDust> angelica_  insert the usb stick, reboot, select usb (F12 or so)
[21:19] <k1l_> jamesguessis: "lsb_release -d" gives you what output?
[21:19] <angelica_> ok ty alot will try
[21:20] <jamesguessis> k1l_ Ubuntu Xenial Xerus (development branch)
[21:21] <MonkeyDust> jamesguessis  if you want to try 16.04, better use a vm
[21:21] <MonkeyDust> jamesguessis  it's what i do
[21:22] <wileee> angelica_, This a wubi download?
[21:22] <jamesguessis> MonkeyDust: whelp it's too late now xD
[21:22] <angelica_> wubi?
[21:23] <MonkeyDust> angelica_  don't use wubi, it's the worst invention since alcohol free beer
[21:23] <wileee> angelica_, If you working with the regular downloaded iso, never mind, there was another install type called wubi
[21:23] <angelica_> sadly didnt work with f12 keep engasging the simulation
[21:23] <goddard> k1l_: here is an example http://entrproject.org/
[21:23] <angelica_> a ok :)
[21:24] <goddard> bekks: ^
[21:25] <MonkeyDust> jamesguessis  you actually installed 16.04 ?
[21:25] <wileee> angelica_, you mention a 'exe' and 'simulation' can you share more on those?
[21:25] <angelica_> when i wad on windows i inserted the pen i had the option to see if i want install xubutu or try it first if i like it now with xubuntu installed the pen just force me in the try simulation
[21:25] <jamesguessis> MonkeyDust: yeah, about a week ago, works just fine
[21:25] <angelica_> /whe i had
[21:26] <wileee> angelica_, Ah simulation is a live run?
[21:26] <goddard> k1l_: if go to to the section "Watching for New Files"
[21:26] <angelica_> yea didn t find the right word
[21:26] <angelica_> live run
[21:26] <goddard> k1l_: i use find instead of LS so I can get a recursive list
[21:26] <jamesguessis> er works fine other than letting me have uuid properly
[21:26] <MonkeyDust> jamesguessis  great, but you'll have to go to #ubuntu+1 for support
[21:27] <wileee> angelica_, Cool, so you have to boot the usb, you may have figured this out already, wont work from windows unless in a virtual.
[21:27] <TJ-> angelica_: I've not looked at the ISO boot code for xubuntu recently, but that could be because it detects an existing installation and doesn't want you to accidentically wipe it out without realizing
[21:28] <jamesguessis> MonkeyDust: so I should ask about my uuid problem there?
[21:29] <vn> only UEFI option I can find in my Award BIOS is related to CD/DVD and from what im googling, my DVD boot issues (its freezing on debian, ubuntu, arch, lubuntu and kali2, before I can get a shell or syslog) seem to be related to UEFI..any hints on what/where I should check?  I'm also told to try nomodeset, but there are radeon issues...kinda lost
[21:29] <angelica_> yea but my intent is to wipe out because who put previous xubuntu didnt give me the pass so if i use it so after a waile he ask me the pass i clarly dont have
[21:29] <angelica_> so wanted to put a fresh xubuntu in
[21:30] <angelica_> as i put this on this notepad
[21:30] <puka> have a awesome night guys
[21:30] <puka> cya
[21:30] <angelica_> ty u too
[21:32] <angelica_> for the boot the pc seem cheking external device first so should see the pen or even the win xp i put to try to delete this old version of xubuntu
[21:32] <MonkeyDust> jamesguessis  yes, but 16.04 isnt even in alpha yet
[21:33] <angelica_> buyed this old pc at low cost but now i cant put my fresh xubuntu i m stik to some one else stuff?
[21:33] <wileee> angelica_, how did you load the pen with xubuntu?
[21:34] <MonkeyDust> jamesguessis  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule
[21:34] <angelica_> inserted the pen the activated the pc
[21:34] <OEP> Is there anyone here with experience with the Apache 2 MPM ITK module on Ubuntu 14.04? I am trying to use it but get the "No MPM loaded" error when I start Apache.
[21:34] <wileee> angelica_, How did you put ubuntu on the pen for the install?
[21:34] <angelica_> charge normaly but instead the old xubuntu or instalation start the live
[21:35] <MonkeyDust> OEP  is that a server? if yes, there's also #ubuntu-server
[21:35] <Quake2> i love you angelica_
[21:35] <OEP> MonkeyDust: Yep, thanks for the tip. I will ask there.
[21:35] <angelica_> wasn t  me , ahah why XD cause i m noob :)
[21:35] <angelica_> the guy where i buy the pc
[21:35] <angelica_> buyed
[21:36] <bekks> goddard: You provided a link, but didnt answer my question.
[21:36] <angelica_> sr for my english and ty alot guys for all
[21:36] <goddard> bekks: what?
[21:36] <bekks> goddard: 1113 222358 < goddard> k1l_: here is an example http://entrproject.org/
[21:36] <wileee> angelica_, What is your native language?
[21:36] <g1bbs> does anyone use Gerrit for code review?  Or other tool suggestions?
[21:37] <angelica_> italian
[21:37] <wileee> !it | angelica_ might be more helpful
[21:37] <reisio> man, nobody's named Angelica anymore, far out
[21:37] <reisio> angelica_: don't apologize because English speakers mostly only speak a single language these days :p
[21:38] <wileee> heh I speak gibberish
[21:38] <Al3x_10m> rofl:)))
[21:38] <goddard> bekks: go to a directory with more then 1024 files and then type in your terminal "find /your/path | entr echo "file change detected" "
[21:38] <angelica_> :) eheh
[21:38] <angelica_> daccordo grazie ubottu
[21:38] <wileee> not a slant on you angelica_ just a joke. ;)
[21:38] <angelica_> ma dove lo digito?
[21:38] <Al3x_10m> qua
[21:39] <cristian_c> !italian | angelica_
[21:39] <angelica_> know wilee nice one :)
[21:40] <angelica_> posso tener aperte entrambe ? se digito qui?
[21:40] <MonkeyDust> angelica_  stop
[21:40] <angelica_> sr
[21:41] <angelica_> was answering to ubotto red typing message are private or just highlited ?
[21:42] <k1l_> highlighted if someone writes you nickname
[21:42] <k1l_> angelica_: like this
[21:42] <angelica_> a ok got it :)
[21:42] <MonkeyDust> angelica_  and ubottu is a (ro)bot, a program, a script
[21:43] <angelica_> well he helped :)
[21:43] <g1bbs> does anyone here have the title "architect" at their company?
[21:44] <k1l_> g1bbs: better ask that in ##chat or #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:44] <goddard> bekks: i have never ran into a problem like this
[21:44] <Seveas> g1bbs: I used to have that in my jobtitle at some point when we couldn't figure out what I would do ;)
[21:44] <g1bbs> k1l_: I was specifically interested in Android architects
[21:44] <reisio> if I had that title, I'd fire myself
[21:44] <k1l_> g1bbs: more chance to find android devs on #android
[21:45] <reisio> angelica_: private messages open in a tab with the user's nick as its name, or have hyphens surrounding the user name
[21:45] <root_> ls
[21:45] <g1bbs> on paper it could be interesting.  Take business requirements and lay out actual components and OOP design for use
[21:45] <root_> 420
[21:45] <reisio> architect?
[21:45] <reisio> cushy job if you can get it
[21:45] <reisio> great way to get paid by not doing much
[21:45] <g1bbs> bout right
[21:45] <g1bbs> that's my understanding heh
[21:45] <reisio> this hotel? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burj_Al_Arab
[21:46] <reisio> the architect drew a curved line in the shape of a sail
[21:46] <reisio> ...and then the _engineers_ built it
[21:46] <reisio> after designing it
[21:46] <reisio> architect wears cardigan, engineer wears self respect :p
[21:47] <angelica_> ty reiso:)
[21:47] <angelica_> reisio
[21:47] <reisio> angelica_: type r-e-i, then hit TAB
[21:47] <reisio> tab completion, it's great; use it everywhere not just on IRC
[21:48] <nemdiggers> reisio: I wish linux had question marks
[21:48] <reisio> nemdiggers: me, too
[21:48] <reisio> question marks rule
[21:49] <vn> only UEFI option I can find in my Award BIOS is related to CD/DVD and from what im googling, my DVD boot issues (its freezing on debian, ubuntu, arch, lubuntu and kali2, before I can get a shell or syslog) seem to be related to UEFI..any hints on what/where I should check?  I'm also told to try nomodeset, but there are radeon issues...kinda lost, any ideas/hints?
[21:49] <reisio> maybe that was his ideal use of a second chance :p
[21:49] <reisio> vn: try a usb instead
[21:49] <reisio> vn: in fact, try a usb regardless, optical media is dead
[21:50] <vn> reisio: my 14.04 on USB does the same
[21:50] <angelica_> r-e-i,
[21:50] <reisio> angelica_: r, then e, then i, then tab
[21:51] <Al3x_10m> hahaa nice
[21:51] <reisio> that is, type the beginning of a nickname
[21:51] <Al3x_10m> =P
[21:51] <angelica_> mm it didn t complete for me k will retry
[21:51] <reisio> and then TAB to finish it without having to type it all (or risk a typo)
[21:51] <reisio> even more useful for commands you don't want to mess up
[21:51] <reisio> and paths
[21:51] <vn> heh that reminds me when I learnt about nick completion, I couldnt believe it
[21:51] <angelica_> reisio, got it ty :)
[21:51] <angelica_> worked?
[21:52] <reisio> vn: I still can't
[21:52] <reisio> angelica_: yarp
[21:52] <angelica_> :)
[21:52] <reisio> angelica_: now go into xchat's settings and change that comma to a colon :p
[21:52] <reisio> /set completion_suffix :
[21:53] <reisio> send that as a msg here :p
[21:53] <reisio> everyone will look at you if you use a comma
[21:53] <reisio> CONFORM!
[21:53] <reisio> one of us, one of us
[21:53] <reisio> vn: colons, amirite?
[21:54] <angelica_> :) will try
[21:55] <vn> reisio: yea?
[21:57] <reisio> vn: word
[21:57] <vn> I wonder if people try to autocomplete my nick..heh
[21:58] <angelica_> ,
[21:58] <angelica_> XD i m lost lol
[21:58] <benbro1> what package adds /etc/init.d/paulseaudio ?
[21:58] <vn> benbro1: you're looking for pulseaudio
[21:58] <benbro1> when installting the pulseaudio package on a server I don't see the file
[21:58] <benbro1> paulseaudio/pulseaudio
[22:00] <Seveas> ~$ dpkg -L pulseaudio | grep init.d
[22:00] <Seveas> /etc/init.d/pulseaudio
[22:00] <reisio> vn: I do, saves me the ': '
[22:00] <reisio> and also any typoes
[22:01] <vn> hehe
[22:02] <benbro1> Seveas: apt-get install pulseaudio -> on a server
[22:02] <benbro1> Seveas: can't see /etc/init.d/pulseaudio
[22:02] <vn> k so windows isnt uefi...no uefi options in bios..I shouldnt need anything special with that then I spose..enabled/disabled vt-d and IOMMU, no change
[22:02] <reisio> but yours is one of the few ultra-short nicks that my IRC client will complete for
[22:02] <reisio> usually I tell people with such tiny nicks to diaf :)
[22:02] <vn> hehe
[22:02] <Seveas> benbro1: which ubuntu version?
[22:03] <reisio> vn: what happens with usb boot, again?
[22:03] <benbro1> Seveas: 15.10 server
[22:04] <vn> reisio: usb or cd boot, it starts, then jams after 30 seconds, around whoopsie.service or networking.service without errors, even in debug
[22:04] <alem> Hello
[22:04] <reisio> vn: try the mini/mal image
[22:04] <reisio> alem: hi
[22:04] <Seveas> benbro1: dpkg -L pulseaudio | grep init
[22:04] <Seveas> does that show the file?
[22:04] <vn> reisio: minimal is even more minimal than server?
[22:04] <benbro1> Seveas:  /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/examples/pulseaudio.init.example
[22:05] <reisio> vn: oh did you want a server install?
[22:05] <Seveas> benbro1: interesting. please pastebin the output of apt-cache policy pulseaudio
[22:05] <alem> I seem to be having an issue with my NIC not wanting to come online. I recently had a motherboard/PSU problem, and have replaced the faulty hardware, but the only thing that is now presenting issues is the NIC. If I run lspci I see it listed, and I know outside the OS it is working as I get a PXE Boot option from the NIC, but otherwise I am lost. Nothing appears in syslog or dmesg (that I see about it anyways).
[22:05] <reisio> vn: I'm not sure it is, really; possibly not
[22:05] <vn> reisio: naw, desktop
[22:05] <Seveas> alem: please pastebin the output of: ip a l
[22:06] <vn> reisio: will try minimal and report
[22:06] <reisio> vn: then try the minimal install image
[22:06] <vn> awight
[22:06] <reisio> vn: less things are loaded, fewer chances for things to go pear shaped
[22:06] <alem> Seveas, I won't be able to pastebin (seeing as how I have no way to pastebin from that machine, and if the output is too long, I won't be able to copy it all here), but I can try to describe the output to you.
[22:06] <alem> Hold on one second.
[22:06] <Seveas> alem: copy it to a usb stick or take a picture with your cellphone?
[22:07] <benbro1> Seveas: http://pastebin.com/bzD3z6hN
[22:08] <benbro1> Seveas: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/amd64/pulseaudio/filelist
[22:08] <Seveas> benbro1: that's Really Weird. I have the same ubuntu and pulseaudio version and do get those files.
[22:08] <benbro1> http://packages.ubuntu.com/wily/amd64/pulseaudio/filelist
[22:08] <benbro1> Seveas: in 14.04 I see the init.d script in the list of files. in 15.10 it's missing
[22:08] <benbro1> Seveas: maybe something replaced it?
[22:09] <alem> Seveas, http://imgur.com/baQRWrB
[22:09] <alem> Output of ip a l and lspci with a grep output
[22:10] <Seveas> benbro1: hmm. dpkg says the initscript comes from the package, but dpkg-deb --contents pulseaudio_1%3a6.0-0ubuntu13_amd64.deb doesn't list it. Digging a bit more.
[22:11] <Ricky_Rat5005> Just ran setup of Ubuntu Server on MS Hyper-V. It said it was done and needed to reboot, upon reboot there isn't any video. Any suggestions?
[22:12] <bekks> Ricky_Rat5005: Define "there want any video".
[22:12] <bekks> *wasnt
[22:12] <benbro1> Seveas: http://pastebin.com/xJxmvBTV
[22:12] <Seveas> benbro1: looks like it's my system that's wonky, not yours. the initscripts should have been removed by the upgrade: pulseaudio is now completely udev-driven.
[22:12] <benbro1> Sevas: how is pulseaudio started for each session?
[22:13] <benbro1> Seveas: what does udev-driven means? How am I supposed to start it on a server (headless) ?
[22:13] <benbro1> manually with pulseaudio -D ?
[22:13] <Seveas> benbro1: unfortunately, no idea
[22:13] <Ricky_Rat5005> bekks - Black Screen with what appears to be a pixelated Hyper-V writing
[22:14] <reisio> Ricky_Rat5005: I suggest you not waste time with Hyper-V
[22:14] <reisio> it's quite awful
[22:14] <reisio> particularly for Unix guests
[22:14] <reisio> but also very much just in general
[22:14] <Ricky_Rat5005> reisio While I appreciate the suggestion, that is the platform I am working in.
[22:14] <Seveas> alem: your network interface is the p10p1 interface. Is a network cable plugged in? If so, do a screenshot of the output of sudo ethtool p10p1
[22:14] <reisio> Ricky_Rat5005: then I pity you, a lot :D
[22:14] <reisio> Ricky_Rat5005: make _sure_ you're at least using the latest version of Hyper-V
[22:15] <reisio> earlier versions were _even more incredibly terrible at this_
[22:15] <Ricky_Rat5005> reisio Yes, it's a server 2012 R2 machine, Gen 2 Hyper-V
[22:15] <bekks> Ricky_Rat5005: and make sure you are using the "nomodeset" kernel option.
[22:15] <bekks> Ricky_Rat5005: Make _sure_ you have applied ALL patches available to Hyper-V.
[22:15] <reisio> also, it's hard to imagine you wouldn't want the server install image
[22:15] <reisio> and not the desktop
[22:15] <daftykins> nomodeset on a server install might not be relevant if a DE wasn't installed
[22:15] <Ricky_Rat5005> beeks Is that an option upon install?
[22:15] <reisio> which should not bother starting any graphics nonsense in the first place
[22:16] <daftykins> reisio: you'd think, yet plymouth remains oddly o0
[22:16] <bekks> Ricky_Rat5005: No. It is an option of "Windows Update".
[22:16] <Ricky_Rat5005> reiso it is the server install version, not desktop. I am not complaining that there isn't any gui, there isn't any display period. I can't see what is on the screen.
[22:16] <alem> Seveas, http://imgur.com/ggOQRbi
[22:16] <bekks> Ricky_Rat5005: use nomodeset.
[22:17] <bekks> !nomodeset | Ricky_Rat5005
[22:17] <amr> anyone here use iwlwifi as their wifi driver? having problems with power usage?
[22:17] <reisio> daftykins: for the server image?
[22:17] <alem> There is a cable plugged into the NIC, was initially, as I was hoping it would just pick up the static ip address I gave it before my hardware issues previously.
[22:17] <Seveas> alem: according to ethtool, no cable is plugged in (link detected: no). So check the cable.
[22:17] <Seveas> how did you give it a static IP address?
[22:18] <Seveas> networkmanager or /etc/network/interfaces?
[22:18] <daftykins> reisio: well, on installs - albeit with some text theme, heh
[22:18] <alem> During the OS installation option, so I would guess /etc/network/interfaces
[22:18] <Ricky_Rat5005> bekks looking at that link now. thx.
[22:19] <Seveas> alem: actually, that's probably networkmanager. Check the interfaces file. Maybe the interface name needs to be corrected there. Alternatively, check networkmanager, maybe it is hardcoding an interface name.
[22:20] <alem> Seveas, I mean, there definitely is a cable connected, I plugged it in twice to verify. The activity light is not lighting up, but it is definitely plugged in. Here is a picture of /etc/network/interfaces: http://imgur.com/MmxjUcS
[22:20] <reisio> daftykins: really, the server install has plymouth?
[22:21]  * reisio shakes head at catering to Windows Server "people"
[22:21] <Seveas> alem: ok, so it did go in the interfaces file. In that file change eth0 to p10p1 and reboot.
[22:22] <daftykins> plymouth doesn't cater for anything i thought *shrug*
[22:23] <bekks> reisio: Yes.
[22:23] <tewea> I am new to eclipse in ubuntu version  15.04 and trying to set up maven in my project. I am at very initial stage of it. I have just installed Maven on my computer but when I try to create a new project with Maven, it is not showing any Maven option.  I am using Eclipse
[22:23] <reisio> wow
[22:23] <goddard> bekks: any idea how to fix this issue?
[22:23] <daftykins> alem: regardless of link state that looks misconfigured
[22:23] <bekks> !15.05
[22:23] <bekks> !15.04
[22:23] <Seveas> daftykins: why?
[22:23] <reisio> one of the server guys at work rebooted our lone Unix box once
[22:24] <reisio> he said he only saw a login prompt
[22:24] <bekks> goddard: Fixing which issue?
[22:24] <reisio> and was concerned it wasn't running :p
[22:24] <goddard> bekks: go to a directory with more then 1024 files and then type in your terminal "find /your/path | entr echo "file change detected" "
[22:24] <Seveas> reisio: *facepalm*
[22:24] <reisio> I guess checking that the web server was working was too difficult
[22:24] <reisio> our top server admin, he is
[22:24] <bekks> goddard: And WHAT is the issue?
[22:24] <reisio> in his defense, he has no interest in that install
[22:24] <goddard> bekks: error for opening to many files
[22:24] <reisio> in his offense, he's a goof
[22:24] <alem> daftykins, in which way?
[22:25] <goddard> bekks: ulimit -n stats 1024
[22:25] <bekks> goddard: WHICH erro?
[22:25] <Seveas> reisio: could you please stick to support things in here. #ubuntu-offtopic is the chatter channel
[22:25] <alem> Because regardless, right now, it won't boot up into Ubuntu again. :/
[22:25] <daftykins> alem: doesn't matter, focus on the link state
[22:25] <bekks> goddard: How about FINALLY stating WHICH error you get when doing WHAT exactly?
[22:25] <goddard> entr: Too many files listed; the hard limit for your login class is 1024
[22:25] <Seveas> alem: where is it stuck?
[22:25] <reisio> Seveas: read your logged msgs sometime
[22:26] <alem> It can get to Grub, and then just boots to a black screen. After a few seconds, my monitor shows that it is in standby mode.
[22:26] <goddard> bekks: entr: Too many files listed; the hard limit for your login class is 1024
[22:26] <alem> So somewhere after Grub. I may just run boot-repair from a USB drive and see if that solves it.
[22:26] <daftykins> alem: 14.04 server?
[22:26] <daftykins> boot repair is not for situations like that
[22:27] <alem> daftykins, it is 14.04 server
[22:27] <Seveas> alem: then something in your hardware is still broken. A network connection not coming up cannot cause that.
[22:27] <alem> It seems to boot fine if I don't press any key on the keyboard to force it to book
[22:27] <tewea> I am new to eclipse in ubuntu version  15.04 and trying to set up maven in my project. I am at very initial stage of it. I have just installed Maven on my computer but when I try to create a new project with Maven, it is not showing any Maven option.  I am using Eclipse
[22:27] <alem> If I just let the timer go through the process of the count-down timer, it boots without issue. If I press a button, it stops.
[22:27] <reisio> tewea: how'd you install maven?
[22:28] <Seveas> goddard: either raise your open file limit or use something more modern than entr (incron comes to mind)
[22:29] <tewea> reisio: from package manager
[22:29] <reisio> tewea: gj
[22:29] <bekks> goddard: I'm callsifying those message sas symptoms. What are you actually trying to accomplish? What is the reason behind your usage of inotify?
[22:29] <bekks> *classifying
[22:30] <goddard> bekks: im using entr
[22:30] <reisio> tewea: perhaps #maven or #eclipse ?
[22:30] <goddard> bekks: it is a program that allows you to watch the file system and execute commands
[22:30] <alem> Alright, so it has booted up, and... running ifconfig -a on p10p1 says it doesn't have any address associated with it.
[22:30] <neldogz> Hi everyone, it seems that Gnupg is ignoring the default-cache-ttl timeout set within the gpg-agent.conf file. Every time I enter my password it resets.
[22:30] <neldogz> Anyone else notice this issue?
[22:30] <tewea> reisio: maven
[22:30] <Seveas> alem: did you fix /etc/network/interfaces before rebooting?
[22:30] <bekks> goddard: I perfectly do know what inotify is and what it is for. But that doesnt answer my question to you.
[22:31] <alem> Yes, I manually brought up the interface this time, and it does have an IP on it now.
[22:31] <alem> So I guess I also have to change auto eth0 to auto p10p1
[22:31] <Seveas> yes...
[22:31] <goddard> bekks: if you dont know how to fix the error then just say so
[22:32] <bekks> goddard: If you cant explain your use case then just say so.
[22:32] <goddard> bekks: i have given you plenty of information
[22:32] <akik> goddard: so did you look into changing nofile in limits.conf ?
[22:32] <tewea> reisio: when i check the verstion(mvn --version) it is installed already
[22:32] <daftykins> goddard: back down and provide what you've been asked for if you expect any help
[22:32] <goddard> akik: ive gotten conflicting information
[22:32] <k1l_> goddard: why not use inotifywatch or such?
[22:32] <reisio> tewea: gj
[22:33] <daftykins> tewea: is anyone in any eclipse channels any help? (just a thought)
[22:33] <goddard> k1l_: i haven't heard of that why not? i dont know that is why i am asking a question
[22:33] <alem> So daftykins what was wrong with the layout/formatting?
[22:33] <daftykins> alem: doesn't matter, it's not going to bring an interface up if it's not :)
[22:34] <ArchNoob> Hello here!!
[22:34] <reisio> 'lo arch
[22:34] <alem> Alright, and then, finally, what could cause the system to not boot if I press the enter key to manually boot it, but will boot fine if I leave the system alone?
[22:34] <daftykins> alem: can you boot a live session of desktop on this thing?
[22:34] <ArchNoob> reisio: hey.. I got a problem, i don't know where to exactly post it..
[22:34] <k1l_> goddard: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man1/inotifywatch.1.html and http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man1/inotifywait.1.html
[22:34] <alem> I would have to either burn a CD or make a new USB stick, but I could, yes.
[22:34] <alem> daftykins, ^
[22:35] <k1l_> ArchNoob: if its a ubuntu issue state the issue here?
[22:35] <reisio> ArchNoob: cool
[22:35] <daftykins> alem: sounds like a plan, i'd match version if you can - it'd just be useful to see the NIC(s) working via DHCP away from the install
[22:35] <alem> Well, this is the DHCP server, so... ;)
[22:35] <alem> Thats why I need it back online. :)
[22:35] <daftykins> home or office?
[22:35] <alem> Home
[22:35] <bekks> goddard: You didnt answer my main question. But nvm, I'm not interested in discussing the symptoms of your issue anymore.
[22:36] <daftykins> haha, ridiculous setup
[22:36] <ArchNoob> I'm trying to record a video tutorial with simple screen recorder. And Seems whenever i'm plugged in AC cable, there is a noise coming .. I can't remove it.. How can i overcome this?
[22:36] <Seveas> alem: all that happened is that your interface name was changed due to the hardware change. With your configuration modified to match that, all should be good now :)
[22:36] <alem> It works nice for a learning environment. :P
[22:36] <goddard> bekks: i already gave you an example of exactly what I am trying to do and a way for you to reproduce it
[22:36] <Seveas> alem: though your dhcp server config may also have the interface name in it somewhere, check that.
[22:36] <daftykins> alem: you're learning a lot tonight :)
[22:36] <goddard> bekks: you just refuse to accept it for some strange reason
[22:36] <ArchNoob> Ps. I'm using ubuntu..
[22:36] <k1l_> ArchNoob: could be hardware issue
[22:37] <bekks> goddard: nvm, I'm not interested anymore.
[22:37] <goddard> bekks: an exact command is not good enough any more I guess
[22:37] <alem> Seveas, yeah, for the NIC. But I am still concerned that the GRUB booting issue. That is the second time it has done that. If I press the enter key to boot, before the count-down timer is finished, it stalls booting. If I leave it alone, it boots without a prooblem.
[22:38] <bekks> goddard: correct. because it does not explain the use case WHY that command was issued. big picture, go figure.
[22:38] <Seveas> alem: hitting enter there makes it pause so you can choose something else from the menu
[22:38] <ArchNoob> k1l_: well, whenever i'm not plugged in the voice is perfect. Is there any other channel i could post this to then?
[22:38] <ArchNoob> k1l_: Like the hardware channel?
[22:38] <daftykins> alem: oh i missed when you said it boots with no config, i take it you allocated it by hand and there was no change?
[22:38] <goddard> bekks: i want to be able to watch the file system and execute commands how is that not exact enough?
[22:38] <ArchNoob> k1l_: or Ubuntu sounds or something i don't know..
[22:38] <alem> No, Enter should allow me to boot it up faster in this situation. This is the GRUB boot menu (that boots for memtest, ubuntu, advanced options, etc)
[22:39] <Seveas> ArchNoob: sounds like interference and an improperly shielded audio input in your laptop. Not much you can do except stay on battery
[22:39] <k1l_> ArchNoob: well. when pluggin in the power cord there are mechanical/electrical things going on. and some of them are known to make a sound.
[22:39] <alem> daftykins, no, this was done through boot-repair a while back as I was experiencing issues getting drives to recognize a raid card correctly. It was magically push itself to the front of the list sometimes and then everything would fail to boot.
[22:40] <alem> I can try posting a video, but I fear it would take too long to upload. :D
[22:40] <daftykins> alem: what was done? just boot that live session, your install sounds exotic :P and by that i mean as stable as a cow in a shopping trolley
[22:40] <ArchNoob> Well, i guessed that for sure.. That the electrical signals and stuff are interfering .. I guess I have to buy another battery then..
[22:40] <alem> It used to be stable before I had to switch the motherboard out.
[22:41] <ArchNoob> cause it stays for like, ten minutes and dead..!! **
[22:41] <alem> The live session won't help fix a GRUB Booting issue if the live session bypasses the instance of grub that is having the problem.
[22:41] <goddard> bekks: ?
[22:42] <daftykins> alem: i'm surprised your failures didn't take the RAM with it, did you memtest to be sure?
[22:42] <alem> Yep
[22:42] <akik> alem: do you mean that when you turn on your computer, you only get the grub timeout counting down and don't see the grub entries?
[22:42] <goddard> k1l_: how can i use that program?
[22:43] <alem> akik, no. I mean, when I get the grub timout counting down, if I press enter to boot Ubuntu early (as opposed to waiting till it counts down to 0) it fails to boot. If I let the grub timeout countdown finish counting down to 0 completely, it works fine.
[22:44] <akik> alem: sorry don't know, they should do exactly the same thing
[22:44] <alem> Yeah, I know, that is why I am sorta confused.
[22:45] <alem> I assume it is some BIOS feature that is specially built for Windows that might be causing the problem.
[22:45] <Sabbath> Have you tried reinstall grub?
[22:45] <alem> I just tried that, and will reboot soon to see what happens.
[22:47] <akik> alem: what i've noticed that setting GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT and GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET to an empty value, makes all the grub entries visible vs. "hidden"
[22:47] <daftykins> alem: that's a bit of a stretch. is your OS install on-RAID or off?
[22:47] <lostsoul> Ubuntu 14.04, I have lost the NetworkManager.  When on-line, no indicator on top bar.  Any suggestions?  Can't even launch my VPN. service.
[22:47] <alem> My OS install is not on a RAID system in any fashion. I have storage devices on RAID however that are in the fstab file.
[22:48] <daftykins> alem: is this basically the first bunch of boot attempts since the rebuild?
[22:48] <alem> daftykins, yep
[22:49] <daftykins> alright, pull all your drives and reduce it to the minimal config and boot a live session of desktop to test the board out
[22:49] <alem> And the same thing happens after reinstalling grub, it just loads a black screen and the monitor goes into timeout mode.
[22:49] <k1l_> goddard: i am sure i linked you the man pages
[22:49] <Seveas> lostsoul: did you try rebooting? nm-applet sometimes crashes for me and the only way to get it back is a reboot.
[22:49] <daftykins> anything else will be a total waste of effort
[22:49] <daftykins> alem: what make + model is the new mobo?
[22:49] <goddard> k1l_: i am sure you did as well but it doesn't show an example of watching the file system and then executing a command
[22:50] <Razzdoll> Does anybody know what soft and hard line to set for the script quota to be able to set a user to 300mb, and 5gigs
[22:50] <isReKT2000> or maybe running nm-applet in terminal
[22:50] <alem> ASUS m5a99x pro r2.0
[22:50] <Sabbath> Lostsoul: run sudo /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart
[22:50] <daftykins> alem: ok do the above and check the BIOS version
[22:51] <lostsoul> I get some kind of strange error, that I haven't found a resolution.  I can probably duplicate if you care to see it.  It's about 4 or 5 lines.
[22:51] <alem> Hm.. it isn''t necessarily that pushing the enter key fails it to boot. It just seems to be that every other time it boots, it fails.
[22:51] <isReKT2000> pastebin it
[22:51] <alem> 1 works, 1 doesn't, and it keeps repeating that cycle.
[22:52] <daftykins> it's time to get serious, not debate the quirks of a boot menu :)
[22:52] <daftykins> the current BIOS version (i.e. newest available) is 2501
[22:52] <isReKT2000> we've should've gotten serious already ;)
[22:52] <k1l_> goddard: this is one example howto: https://xaroumenosloukoumas.wordpress.com/2011/01/28/watching-directories-for-file-changes-with-inotifywait/
[22:53] <lostsoul> sudo /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart
[22:53] <lostsoul> [sudo] password for jack:
[22:53] <lostsoul> sudo: /etc/init.d/NetworkManager: command not found
[22:53] <lostsoul> jack@record:~$
[22:53] <daftykins> isReKT2000: i was trying, too much faff going on - nice grammar btw ;)
[22:53] <daftykins> lostsoul: don't paste here please.
[22:53] <daftykins> lostsoul: "sudo service network-manager restart" i think is what you're after, but that's pre-15.04
[22:53] <lostsoul> sorry...
[22:54] <isReKT2000> isn't systemctl supposed to be used?
[22:54] <daftykins> only if it's there
[22:54] <daftykins> not all supported releases use it yet.
[22:54] <Seveas> lostsoul: it's /etc/init.d/network-manager, not NetworkManager.
[22:54] <daftykins> not that init scripts are the way at all :)
[22:54] <isReKT2000> idk if systemd is on his system
[22:55] <k1l_> isReKT2000: depends on the ubuntu version number
[22:55] <isReKT2000> Seveas, that's pre-15.04, as said
[22:55] <daftykins> no my suggestion is pre-15.04
[22:55] <daftykins> isReKT2000: you're not really adding to this situation, just parroting
[22:55] <isReKT2000> k1l_, yeah
[22:55] <isReKT2000> daftykins, /me leaves
[22:55] <Seveas> the initscript still works on 15.10, it just redirects to systemctl
[22:55] <k1l_> yep
[22:56] <isReKT2000> oh, well I guess
[22:56] <alem> daftykins, it is at 2501 already
[22:56] <Seveas> I really wish ubuntu would actually remove the initscripts. It'll be impossible to unlearn using them otherwise :)
[22:57] <daftykins> alem: alright, so pull the unneeded devices and run a minimal config with the live session, checking functionality.
[22:57] <isReKT2000> systemd is there already so removing them would be fine
[22:57] <lostsoul> Isn't finding that one either, I will look around for network stuff there...
[22:57] <daftykins> lostsoul: version?
[22:57] <k1l_> isReKT2000: not if there is no working systemd functionality
[22:58] <isReKT2000> k1l_, yeah, but maybe in a few versions it would be done
[22:58] <lostsoul> the 'service network-manager restart' seems to have executed, but can't see any change.
[22:59] <isReKT2000> restarted yet? or does it do it on boot?
[23:00] <lostsoul> 14.04 desktop + 3.19.0-30-generic
[23:00] <isReKT2000> one question though
[23:00] <isReKT2000> does it disappear straight away?
[23:00] <isReKT2000> or it does it after a period of time
[23:02] <alem> daftykins, will be a while. Have to download a 14.04 LTS iso and take everything out....
[23:03] <daftykins> alem: just disconnect...
[23:03] <daftykins> lostsoul: what are you after? what's going on?
[23:03] <alem> That wouldn't help me in anyway.
[23:04] <daftykins> you obviously do not have 20 years hardware experience
[23:05] <alem> Well, or you could be more concrete with your answer. Disconnect from IRC, disconnect hardware, etc. ;)
[23:05] <daftykins> the extraneous hardware components that i've already stated 3 times in a row
[23:06] <Latrodectus> um i'm trying to use gmusicbrowser and i encountered: "playing error: can't create sink 'autoaudio'", what's the fix for this?
[23:06] <daftykins> i'm not sure how much clearer that kind of basic methodology needs to be?
[23:06] <daftykins> Latrodectus: i take it a close and reopen didn't help?
[23:06] <Latrodectus> yen=
[23:06] <Latrodectus> *yes
[23:06] <Latrodectus> and i've also killed it completely and restarted it, then i tried a reboot
[23:06] <daftykins> restart and test the guest session?
[23:07] <Latrodectus> will do
[23:09] <Latrodectus> guest session is missing a plugin
[23:09] <daftykins> mp3 playback that sounds like
[23:10] <daftykins> try playing another format if possible
[23:10] <Latrodectus> the thing is that i've used it before, and i haven't changed anything on the system since i tried it the first time (not in guest session)
[23:12] <daftykins> so what prompted this?
[23:13] <Latrodectus> i have no idea
[23:13] <Latrodectus> i specifically have this system setup to be isolated from changes
[23:16] <Latrodectus> http://pastebin.com/gwBegcpT | error output when started from terminal
[23:17] <Latrodectus> i guess you were right
[23:17] <Latrodectus> but how did these codecs get deleted?
[23:18] <Latrodectus> the only thing i can think of is bleachbit (i run it semi often but i haven't had problems like this on other systems that i run it on...)
[23:20] <daftykins> i've heard of quirks from that one
[23:20] <Latrodectus> good to know
[23:21] <Latrodectus> ty for the help
[23:25] <just_some_guy> hi
[23:25] <just_some_guy> does anybody knows how to change the order of the minimize maximize and close buttons to be similiar to windows?
[23:25] <just_some_guy> in ubuntu 14.04
[23:25] <wileee> on the right just_some_guy
[23:26] <k1l_> just_some_guy: you mean on the right side?
[23:26] <just_some_guy> no
[23:26] <just_some_guy> i mean the order of the buttons themselves
[23:26] <just_some_guy> to be minimize maximize and then close
[23:27] <just_some_guy> and not maximize minimize and then close
[23:27] <wileee> just_some_guy, gconf-editor has editing
[23:27] <just_some_guy> i tried that
[23:27] <just_some_guy> but it doesn't change
[23:27] <OerHeks> just_some_guy, dconf, http://askubuntu.com/questions/9867/how-to-switch-window-controls-to-the-left-gnome-shell
[23:27] <k1l_> see org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences  button-layout
[23:27] <OerHeks> minde the :  at the end or front
[23:28] <OerHeks> it is a seperator, you can put it in the middle too,
[23:28] <just_some_guy> i remember doing that in 12.04
[23:29] <just_some_guy> but for some reason it's not working on 14.04
[23:29] <OerHeks> not sure you need to logout, but surely need to restart a browser to take effect
[23:30] <just_some_guy> so i will try to logout and login later
[23:30] <just_some_guy> hopefully it will work
[23:35] <RubyDZ> hi
[23:35] <smeraldi> film zorba il greco
[23:36] <RubyDZ> i have a question not related to ubuntu ... does anyone know a good irc channel like this for windows support?
[23:36] <bekks> smeraldi: wrong network.
[23:36] <bekks> RubyDZ: ##windows
[23:36] <OerHeks> RubyDZ, ##windows perhaps?
[23:36] <RubyDZ> in freenode?
[23:36] <bekks> RubyDZ: yes.
[23:36] <OerHeks> mind the double ## as it is not official microsoft
[23:36] <RubyDZ> ok
[23:36] <RubyDZ> thanks guys
[23:37] <OerHeks> have fun
[23:37] <Jonny_Kenilworth> Hey Guys,
[23:38] <Jonny_Kenilworth> What command do I use to add 2015 to these file names in one go. "Together.S1E2.hdtv.mp4" to "Together (2015).S1E2.hdtv.mp4"
[23:38] <Jonny_Kenilworth> got a lot of files to do.
[23:39] <k1l_> Jonny_Kenilworth: ask in #bash for regular expressions
[23:39] <Jonny_Kenilworth> k1l_: Thanks
[23:40] <Latrodectus> daftykins: about my codecs beging deleted, what log file would monitor that?
[23:40] <daftykins> it's highly unlikely something would pick a package to remove
[23:41] <daftykins> but apt's history log would
[23:41] <Latrodectus> ty
[23:42] <Latrodectus> where are those stored?
[23:43] <Latrodectus> nvr mind man'd apt-get
[23:43] <Latrodectus> oh, it's not in there
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[23:46] <Seveas> Drone`++
[23:46] <OerHeks> set the channel on +r ..
[23:47] <DalekSec> OerHeks: Already happened.
[23:47] <dopstar> OerHeks: what does setting the channel on +r do?
[23:47] <Latrodectus> damn those spammers
[23:47] <Latrodectus> dopstar: only registered accounts can access this chan
[23:47] <daftykins> back on topic now :)
[23:47] <silva> It's just one person with a bunch of bots.
[23:47] <silva> Okay, on topic. This is a support channel.
[23:48] <dopstar> Latrodectus: okay thanks, how do i register my nick?
[23:48] <silva> Register via NickServ.
[23:49] <silva> https://help.gnome.org/users/empathy/stable/create-account.html.en
[23:51] <Seveas> !register
[23:55] <Abe> The amazing Salamander Man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27oCUgnPRx4
[23:55] <Latrodectus> abe?
[23:56] <daftykins> Abe: not on topic. do you have a support question? if not, please depart.
[23:57] <Abe> Im sorry xD
[23:59] <peterrivassss> hello guys
[23:59] <reisio> 'lo


[00:08] <leonardr> edwingrubbs: fwiw, yes
[00:08]  * leonardr heading out
[08:55] <jtv> hi al-maisan!  Thanks.
[08:56] <jtv> al-maisan: want me to do adi's branch?
[08:56] <al-maisan> Good morning jtv
[08:56] <al-maisan> jtv: if you like, I guess noodles775 will start reviewing at some point as well..
[08:56] <noodles775> yep, I'll be there soon.
[08:58]  * jtv backs off
[09:42] <al-maisan> hello jtv, errm, just wanted to let you know that a branch of mine (currently reviewed by allenap) does away with `IBuildFarmJobDispatchEstimation` altogether
[09:42] <al-maisan> i.e. your branch that adds an implementation of that interface is not needed any more
[09:42]  * jtv is silent as face progresses through a wild mix of moods and expressions
[09:43] <al-maisan> sorry for the extra work you have put in but ..
[09:43] <jtv> oh well :)
[09:43] <al-maisan> .. a solution that allows us to remove `IBuildFarmJobDispatchEstimation` became obvious only recently
[09:44] <jtv> That is good news though.  Did you go with the simulation as Tim suggested?
[09:45] <al-maisan> jtv: not really but we now have enough data in the BuildQueue table to estimate dispatch times w/o having to look beyond that
[09:45] <jtv> that's great... do you think you'll be needing me to provide more info for that data?
[09:46] <al-maisan> jtv: not really as long as you set BuildQueue.processor, BuildQueue.virtualized and BuildQueue.estimated_duration
[09:47] <jtv> al-maisan: I'm not sure I do though
[09:47] <al-maisan> well, the defaults for BuildQueue.processor and BuildQueue.virtualized are NULL, so that should be fine
[09:48] <al-maisan> However, the BuildQueue.estimated_duration property is required. Wasn't henninge working on that?
[09:48] <jtv> No, I think I implemented that one as a hard-coded constant.
[09:48] <jtv> I think he looked at it and found that the actual job there took essentially zero time.
[09:49] <al-maisan> jtv: as long as the constant is close enough to reality that would be fine as well :)
[09:49] <al-maisan> hmm .. so what is the constant he chose? Zero?
[09:50] <jtv> I think I picked one minute...
[09:51] <jtv> ...which is probably high.
[09:51] <al-maisan> jtv: hmm .. that's a pretty conservative guesstimate
[09:52] <al-maisan> jtv: are you storing the actual running time after the translation import job completes?
[09:52] <jtv> I was thinking we could leave it at that unless and until we find that it's really affecting the reliability of estimates.
[09:52] <al-maisan> jtv: I have no problem with that .. let's keep it for the time being.
[09:52] <jtv> Isn't storing the running time something that's done in the generic buildmaster code?
[09:52]  * al-maisan looks
[09:55] <allenap> al-maisan: What does EXTRACT(EPOCH FROM ...) do?
[09:56] <al-maisan> allenap: it converts the interval to seconds
[09:56] <allenap> al-maisan: Cool.
[09:57] <al-maisan> allenap: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.1/static/functions-datetime.html#FUNCTIONS-DATETIME-EXTRACT
[09:58] <allenap> al-maisan: Awesome, thank you.
[09:58] <al-maisan> you are welcome :)
[09:59] <al-maisan> jtv: you were right, the actual running time of the job is stored in BuildBase.storeBuildInfo()
[10:00] <jtv> al-maisan: common sense, design-wise, to keep that generic.  :)
[10:01] <al-maisan> jtv: yup, but common sense is not at all that common ;)
[10:02] <jtv> true, alas
[10:06] <al-maisan> adiroiban: your mp is reviewed & approved already (https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~adiroiban/launchpad/bug-340662-take-2/+merge/17598)
[10:06] <al-maisan> is that correct?
[10:06] <al-maisan> adiroiban: can I remove you from the queue?
[10:06] <adiroiban> hm
[10:06] <adiroiban> let me check
[10:07] <adiroiban> it is for bug 509252
[10:07] <mup> Bug #509252: Remove AdminPoTemplateSubset from security.py <cleanup> <Launchpad Translations:New for adiroiban> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/509252>
[10:08] <al-maisan> adiroiban: sorry .. I clicked on the wrong link
[10:09] <adiroiban> np
[10:33] <al-maisan> adiroiban: looks good, r=me
[10:35] <adiroiban> al-maisan: thanks! Do you have time to land it or should I ask someone else?
[10:35] <al-maisan> adiroiban: I believe we are in RC mode .. but I can land it once 10.02 opens up
[10:37] <adiroiban> al-maisan: sure. I was refering to land it then the queue will be open... probably it would be best to ask you when the queue is open
[10:38] <al-maisan> adiroiban: thanks!
[10:43] <allenap> al-maisan: I've finally finished your review. Lots of minor suggestions, nothing major. Looks good :)
[10:43] <al-maisan> allenap: great, thanks!
[10:59] <noodles775> adiroiban: I can take a look at that branch, or did you want someone specific to look at it?
[11:01] <adiroiban> noodles775: hi. nope. you can review it
[11:29] <noodles775> adiroiban: hi, your new test seems to pass even when I revert the change to product.py?
[11:31] <noodles775> (BTW: thanks for adding extra tests too!)
[11:32] <adiroiban> noodles775: uh... yes. I forget to test „obsolete is _not_ in extracted_text”
[11:44] <adiroiban> noodles775: I pushed the missing test
[11:45] <noodles775> adiroiban: thanks... I'm actually looking at the pagetest, and thinking that most of it is really testing the *view* functionality and should really be in a view/browser test...
[11:46] <noodles775> I mean, you're really testing the untranslatable_series property... what do you think?
[11:46] <adiroiban> noodles775: yes. I will move them in browser/tests
[11:47] <noodles775> adiroiban: So perhaps just add one series in the pagetest and verify that it appears, then yes, the rest can go in the view test.
[11:48] <adiroiban> noodles775: or 2...one active and one obsolete
[11:48] <noodles775> adiroiban: also, I (personally) think it would be worth sorting the results of untranslatable_series - random order is not good. What do you think?
[11:48] <noodles775> adiroiban: well, the fact that the obsolete series won't be included should be in the view test (as it's view code).
[11:49] <adiroiban> noodles775: ok. alphabetically sorted?
[11:50] <noodles775> adiroiban: if that make the most sense, yes (another option would be by the status, but you'll know more about which makes most sense :)
[11:51] <noodles775> adiroiban: So I'll make this as needs-fixing for the moment. Just ping me when you're done and I'll go through the code in detail. Thanks!
[11:52] <adiroiban> noodles775: ok. thanks
[14:36] <beuno> kfogel, any magic trickery available to load the sample data?
[14:36] <beuno> ro should I just clean the db and run the SQL?
[14:37] <kfogel> beuno: in standup, will answer after (inability to multitask, is all)
[14:37] <beuno> thanks
[14:40] <kfogel> beuno: most ppl in #launchpad-dev should know, though; I recall it's pretty easy to load -- abel has shown me how before
[14:40] <kfogel> beuno: of course, abel is in this standup with me :-)
[14:50] <kfogel> beuno: okay, so I *think* you just do 'cd database/schema; cp current-dev.sql MY_SAFE_current-dev.sql; cp newsampledata-dev.sql current-dev.sql'
[14:50] <kfogel> beuno: and then a 'make schema' may be necessary
[14:51] <beuno> kfogel, sounds like what I want, thanks, I'll give it a go
[14:51] <kfogel> beuno: might want to check with someone that that last step is both necessary and safe
[14:51] <beuno> kfogel, it's ok, I have a helmet on
[14:51] <kfogel> beuno: that is, there's also the "current.sql" file; I'm not sure what it is or whether 'make schema' blows it away, though I doubt 'make schema' is destructive to any file on disk (its whole point is to be destructive to the db)
[14:51] <kfogel> ok
[15:01] <beuno> kfogel, no padding between the borders and the content of the tooltips!  :)
[15:03] <adiroiban> noodles775: I'we pushed the changes. Hope you got the latests diff in your mailbox :)
[15:04] <noodles775> Thanks adiroiban, I'll take a look shortly.
[15:04] <kfogel> beuno: need padding?
[15:04] <beuno> kfogel, the content is squished against the border
[15:05] <intellectronica> beuno, kfogel: b.t.w don't forget that there's a lazr widget wanting to happen there. we didn't take this route to being with because we thought it's better to first have a concrete implementation, but that's already the second implementation in LP and i'm sure other apps would benefit from this too
[15:05] <intellectronica> i'm talking about the fancy tooltip b.t.w
[15:06] <kfogel> intellectronica: I *had* forgotten, actually, thank you for reminding me.  IOW, we want to abstract out the tooltip functionality?
[15:06] <intellectronica> yes, we want to abstract the tooltip functionality using a YUI widget, and put that in lazr-js
[15:07] <intellectronica> it will be hard to find resources to take on this task, but just recording it for now will already be a step forward
[15:07] <kfogel> intellectronica: would an XXX comment with a bug be appropriate?  (I could put the XXX comment both in lib/lp/bugs/templates/bugtarget-patches.pt and in the appropriate place for the other spot we're using a fancy tooltip right now).
[15:08] <beuno> kfogel, change div.popupTitle{padding:0 1em;} to padding:0.5em 1em
[15:08] <intellectronica> kfogel: yes, i think an XXX with a bug would be appropriate. the bug should probably be on lazr-js (rather than launchpad)
[15:08] <kfogel> beuno: I was just about to ask you how to do that, thank you :-)
[15:09] <kfogel> intellectronica: *nod*
[15:09] <kfogel> beuno: trying it now
[15:11] <kfogel> beuno: http://paste.ubuntu.com/364621/
[15:11] <kfogel> beuno: something like that?
[15:11] <kfogel> beuno: (it appears to have the desired effect in my launchpad.dev instance)
[15:11] <beuno> kfogel, yes, but it's better if you do that on the css file
[15:12] <kfogel> beuno: oh, right -- popupTitle is a shared class
[15:12] <kfogel> one sec
[15:15] <kfogel> beuno: I did this http://paste.ubuntu.com/364623/, but is there some way to do a page reload that will reload the CSS file?  I'm not seeing the new padding now.
[15:15] <beuno> kfogel, IIRC, you need to run make again (yuk!)
[15:16] <kfogel> beuno: oh, to make combo.css?
[15:16] <beuno> yeah
[15:16] <kfogel> right, forgot about that
[15:16] <kfogel> cool, doing now
[15:16] <kfogel> beuno: while that's going on, any other UI tweaks?
[15:16] <beuno> kfogel, triple tasking, so I can't say for sure
[15:17] <beuno> the drop down looks odd
[15:18] <kfogel> beuno: ...can you be more specific?    Excuse me, I mean "triple-tasking" (cough, cough).
[15:21] <beuno> :)
[15:21] <beuno> sinzui, how's the TL call?  I miss everyone
[15:21] <sinzui> beuno:  join in
[15:22] <beuno> about to!
[16:04] <beuno> kfogel, bug icons don't match the importance
[16:05] <beuno> and lastly, I'd add an "Order: " label to the ordering drop down
[16:07] <beuno> I'll add all these things to the MP
[16:07] <kfogel> beuno: oh, that's right, bug icons get colored according to importance, I totally forgot.
[16:07] <kfogel> Thank you.
[16:07] <kfogel> I'm not actually color-blind, but I might as well be -- I never notice that stuff.
[16:09] <beuno> heh, it gets better when looking at other peoples' stuff
[17:59] <leonardr> rockstar, i have a fun branch for you
[17:59] <leonardr> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~leonardr/lazr.restful/enforce-version-order/+merge/18223
[18:00] <leonardr> ("if it was fun to write, it should be fun to understand")
[18:01] <leonardr> i'm taking my wife out to lunch, so if you run into problems and need my input, just kick the branch back to me. but it should be pretty self-explanatory
[18:01] <rockstar> leonardr, okay.  I'm also heading out to run an errand.  I'll get to it when I get back.
[18:01] <leonardr> all right
[18:17] <henninge> Hey jtv, I hope you didn't find my review too harsh ... ;)
[18:17] <henninge> jtv: Also, what are you doing up this time of night?
[18:18] <jtv> henninge: wrapping up a few things I couldn't do in my own timezone.  :-)
[18:20] <jtv> henninge: no worries about the review... I would say the reason this is (slightly) translations-specific is that we specifically check for read-only mode and make decisions based on it, in this case leading to an assertion failure.  Other requests will mostly just fail with a "transaction is read-only" database error, which is easy enough to filter out.
[20:03] <leonardr> rockstar, fwiw, i'm back
[20:03] <rockstar> leonardr, cool.  Looking at your branch now.


[17:51] <SergioMeneses_> hello
[17:51] <SergioMeneses_> somebody?
[17:52] <SergioMeneses_> czajkowski: are you busy?
[17:53] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses_: not really
[17:53] <SergioMeneses_> czajkowski: look: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJamEs
[17:54] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses_: yup
[17:55] <SergioMeneses_> czajkowski: I would like to appear on the official website...
[17:56] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses_: have you created an event on loco.ubuntu.com
[17:56] <czajkowski> all of the global events are on there
[17:56] <SergioMeneses_> czajkowski: oks....
[17:56] <czajkowski> np
[17:56] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses_: all of the Global jam events are now under there and not the wiki
[17:57] <SergioMeneses_> mmm... i see
[18:00] <SergioMeneses_> czajkowski: but not is a local event... we will involve all Spanish speaking
[18:00] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses_: it;s a global event though still, as spanish is spoken over a few areas
[18:01] <czajkowski> also this channel isn't the best place for this conversation can you pop into #ubuntu-locoteams
[18:21] <SergioMeneses_> czajkowski: oks... thanks
[18:22] <SergioMeneses_> czajkowski: me->https://launchpad.net/~sergiomeneses