[00:21] <amason> Riddell: yeh i can test on 12.04
[00:22] <amason> Riddell: are there packages existing somewhere or do I need to compile ?
[00:56] <godzero> ;( my buddie's raspery pie no workie
[01:39] <nsmgo> Hi buddies; Ever since I moved my system to static IPs with configuration in /etc/network/interfaces; it's taking longer to startup... dmsg says it's waiting on network interfaces... ?) Any Ideas to look into?
[03:01] <c2tarun> is there any way of setting meta key as the shortcut for kickoff application launcher.  I want to put this live kubuntu to sleep and myself go to bed..
[06:39] <zobbi> and where do I change the fonts in menus.. title bars.. kde dialogs etc..?
[06:40] <hateball> zobbi: are you new to Kubuntu?
[06:41] <hateball> zobbi: If you press alt+f2, that will start "krunner" in which you can just start typing "whatever you want to get done" and you will get there right away
[06:41] <hateball> zobbi: like say "fonts"
[06:41] <zobbi> hateball: totally.. I use debian.. but I'm looking for something sensible to introduce others to linux.. so far so good..
[06:41] <hateball> zobbi: Well I guess I should say new to KDE :p
[06:42] <hateball> (I always remap alt+f2 to alt+space=
[06:43] <zobbi> it's not bad at all actually.. I changed the fonts to Verdana & terminus everywhere .. doesn't appear to affect the kde widgets (title bars, menus.. dialogs..)
[06:44] <hateball> Not sure if you have to restart KDE/the_apps for it to take effect..., but I dont think so
[06:45] <zobbi> I thought about that.. restarting, I mean.. but since this is the live 12.04.. I don't want to reboot by accident and then have to run a bunch of downloads all over again..
[06:45] <hateball> yeah, that would be annoying :p
[06:45] <hateball> you can restart all of plasma tho
[06:46] <hateball> kquitapp plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop &
[06:46] <hateball> I guess one should do "kstart plasma-desktop" but whatever :p
[06:48] <zobbi> Thks.. I'll try that tomorrow.. I found the power saving stuff via your "krunner" suggestion... neat..
[06:48] <hateball> zobbi: When I change font size I get a warning that it will only affect newly started apps
[06:48] <hateball> and I verified that it's indeed the case
[06:48] <hateball> zobbi: krunner is the way to go :)
[06:49] <hateball> enable nepomuk+strigi and you never have to look for stuff anywhere else :p
[06:49] <hateball> well, mostly.
[07:36] <uberdub> can anyone offer any help configuring grub?
[07:56] <uberdub> can anyone help me with setting my default kernel with grub?
[07:56] <uberdub> 3.2 is about as stable as charlie manson off his meds for my hardware
[08:03] <amason> hah
[08:05] <uberdub> I keep setting the default in the file but still boots 3.2 in 12.04
[08:16] <martin__> hey guyz, I have a problem. I have kubuntu 12.04 and after a month of using I can not install anything. When I try to install any software, the sudo window appears only for 1 second and I have no chance to put there password. can somebody help?
[08:18] <uberdub> I think everyone is sleeping
[08:24] <hateball> martin__: Do you mean when using eg. Muon software center?
[08:30] <uberdub> any experience with configuring grub?
[08:36] <martin__> hateball: yes, but also when there are any updates available the prob. is the same
[08:36] <prometheus> Hello ... i have a VPN question if someone can help me.. i have (i think) all the necassary information to  set it up i just can't get it to work.
[08:37] <hateball> martin__: ok... I don't really know a solution to your problem, but you could try upgrading using the terminal and see if that solves your problem
[08:37] <prometheus> i am a newbie and i terminal would most definately be more complicated for me
[08:37] <prometheus> simply going toVPN connections> Create vpn did not work
[08:38] <prometheus> is there a special channel you can recommend for help on this specific matter ?
[08:38] <hateball> prometheus: Do you get any specific errors?
[08:38] <hateball> !doesntwork
[08:39] <martin__> hateball: but this would just be a temporarly solution. now I wanna install software.deb and prob. the same
[08:39] <prometheus> no... i put my information in and it seems to work, but when i check my IP it is still the same. the settings and options i get are different from what i had on win7 which worked perfectly.
[08:39] <hateball> martin__: I'm saying there might be a bug with what you're currently running, that could possibly be solved by upgrading using the terminal
[08:39] <prometheus> how do i upgrade?
[08:40] <hateball> So I would do that first
[08:40] <prometheus> simple check from update mgr?
[08:40] <hateball> !who
[08:40] <prometheus> i'm speaking to everyone, really... anyoen who can help  on the subject
[08:41] <hateball> Well you get updates through the software updater yes, but it's different from an "upgrade"
[08:41] <prometheus> i'm not even sure if i'm in the correct channel for my type of question ... i am willing to read so links would help. A link on how to "Upgrade" whatever it is your saying i should upgrade
[08:42] <hateball> again... !who
[08:42] <martin__> hateball: aha ok, is there any command so kubuntu will download and install everything ?
[08:42] <hateball> *I* was addressing martin__
[08:42] <prometheus> and IDK what i am running, i've used VPNc as well as the software that came with ubuntu
[08:42] <hateball> martin__: Yes, open konsole and run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[08:42] <uberdub> anyone handy with grub?
[08:43] <prometheus> those exact commands or separated by the &
[08:43] <prometheus> s
[08:44] <prometheus> i'm sorry if you don't want to deal with a newbie right now... i'm just trying to learn. i have VERY basic command line skills
[08:45] <prometheus> OK so i've done both of those. So if thats not updating what the Software Update does, then what is it updating?
[08:50] <prometheus> ye awell, thanks anyway.
[08:54] <martin__> hateball: installing... I'll let u know if it helped
[08:54] <hateball> martin__: Alright :)
[08:54] <hateball> martin__: Since it'll bring you update you'll have to install something new for it to prompt you again
[08:55] <hateball> s/update/up-to-date/
[08:57] <martin__> hateball: ok, i'll do that
[09:28] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:33] <martin__> hateball: it seems like its working properly now :)
[09:33] <martin__> perfect, thanks a lot!
[09:42] <uberdub> can anyone help with grub config?
[09:42] <lordievader> uberdub: I always use the tool grub-customizer to do that. What do you want to do anyway?
[09:43] <uberdub> trying to set my default kernel to previous
[09:44] <uberdub> changing the default value in /etc/default/grub but does nothing
[09:45] <lordievader> uberdub: Have you run "sudo update-grub" after making a change?
[09:45] <uberdub> yes
[09:46] <lordievader> uberdub: Anyhow as I said the tool grub-customizer makes things easy, have you tried it?
[09:46] <lordievader> uberdub: Here a little guide on installing it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1664134
[09:47] <uberdub> is it in the reps?
[09:52] <lordievader> uberdub: The whole process of installing the tool is in the link I gave you.
[09:52] <uberdub> yeah just added the rep
[09:55] <Paola> Hello all!
[09:55] <Paola> help me please
[09:56] <Paola> I want know about on Kubuntu 11.04 Released   this its work good ? and have drivers for ati/amd  ?
[09:57] <lordievader> Paola: I think you mean 12.04, it works quite all right, haven't got any problem with it. I am also using an ATI card.
[10:00] <hateball> 11.04 is quite old, if that's what she indeed meant
[10:01] <hateball> or he
[10:01] <hateball> who knows!
[10:01] <uberdub> 3.2 doesnt like my hardware
[10:01] <uberdub> sleep/suspend dont work
[10:02] <uberdub> rebooting checking grub
[10:02] <lordievader> hateball: Guess it is a simply typo.
[10:46] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:00] <zobbi> hateball: just to let you know that it changes to all widget fonts (kde menus, dialogs..) took effect after logging out and logging back in.
[12:00] <hateball> zobbi: :)
[12:01] <DFrostedWang> Is there a way to keep track of system changes for a certain period of time? I am going to attempt installing WINE + Steam, then Skyrim. I really don't want to f*ck up my computer, since I have already done that dozens of times just this week.
[12:01] <DFrostedWang> If something goes wrong, I want to know what, and what to undo.
[12:03] <hateball> DFrostedWang: Well, installing Wine is a matter of installing a few packages. That gets logged in /var/log/apt/
[12:04] <hateball> DFrostedWang: and anything you install *with* wine gets contained inside ~/.wine/ so it's simple enough to clean up
[12:04] <hateball> (assuming you do not create custom bottles and so on and so forth)
[12:05] <DFrostedWang> Okay, thanx
[12:05] <DFrostedWang> Custom bottles?
[12:05] <DFrostedWang> Care to expand on that?
[12:05] <hateball> You can separate wine into "bottles"
[12:05] <DFrostedWang> So they don't f*ck with each other?
[12:05] <hateball> lets say you have apps that conflict or something, you can create a new virtual C:
[12:05] <hateball> yeap
[12:06] <DFrostedWang> Neato
[12:06] <DFrostedWang> Wouldn't it be simpler to make a new D:\ drive or something?
[12:06] <hateball> wineprefix, if you want to google :)
[12:06] <hateball> a new "drive" would still be within the same installation of the "os"
[12:06] <BluesKaj> DFrostedWang, no need to use that "f" term , it's not necessary
[12:06] <DFrostedWang> Like /home/wine/D = D:\
[12:06] <DFrostedWang> BluesKaj: Okay then
[12:06] <DFrostedWang> Bad habit
[12:07] <hateball> things in different bottles cannot talk to each other tho, so that might be a downside depending on the use case
[12:07] <hateball> anyhow, that's wine-specific :)
[12:07] <DFrostedWang> Thanx
[12:08] <DFrostedWang> Do you know anything about installing Steam in WINE?
[12:08] <hateball> It's been years since I did, but I'm thinking it's quite straightforward still. Even more so now.
[12:09] <hateball> DFrostedWang: You may want to have a look at winehq.org
[12:09] <hateball> it has an app-db with instructions and such for all the things
[12:09] <DFrostedWang> Okay, thanx. But it did say 32bit installation was easier than 64bit installation
[12:10] <DFrostedWang> Why?
[12:10] <DFrostedWang> Can't all things 32bit run on 64bit?
[12:12] <hateball> the default wine is 32-bit
[12:12] <DFrostedWang> Okay then
[12:12] <hateball> that is, it emulates (it's not an emulator shhh)  a 32-bit windows install
[12:13] <DFrostedWang> Okay then
[12:13] <hateball> Assuming the app you'll run does not require 64-bit, or 2GB+ ram for the process, it'll likely be fine :)
[12:14] <DFrostedWang> Thanx
[12:16] <DFrostedWang> Know of any way to avoid updates to Steam and my games I use it with?
[12:16] <DFrostedWang> I have HughesNet w/ a 400MB/day limit on downloads.
[12:19] <mydogsnameisrudy> hmmm i have hughes also but only 250mg per 24hrs ..  kind of sucks but all there is here
[12:19] <DFrostedWang> I pay extra for it.
[12:20] <mydogsnameisrudy> ya you do
[12:20] <DFrostedWang> ~100$/month
[12:20] <DFrostedWang> Just got 4G out here, may check w/ AT&T for service when HughesNet's contract runs out.
[12:20] <mydogsnameisrudy> have to watch downloads all the time or get up at 2 am to do anything
[12:20] <DFrostedWang> I am up all night
[12:20] <DFrostedWang> Not a daytime person
[12:21] <gonssal_> hi all
[12:21] <mydogsnameisrudy> 2am to 7am open downloads
[12:22] <DFrostedWang> I've started not caring anymore, tho. I just let my downloads go. One time I put a cap on them (torrents) and it didn't stop the drain on my allowance, so I called them and (after a very long conversation with someone extremely uninformed) got ~14 restore tokens now. :D
[12:22] <Pici> I suppose you could put together your own solution by using trickle. Its a per-process bandwidth limiter.
[12:23] <DFrostedWang> They didn't understand that, even though I was downloading a 1.5GB file, it shouldn't take all my allowance and couldn't possibly use it that fast because their speed sux.
[12:24] <BluesKaj> DFrostedWang, satellite internet ?
[12:24] <DFrostedWang> Yeah
[12:24] <DFrostedWang> It sux
[12:25] <DFrostedWang> Now, before I have even got WINE ready to install Steam, I already have to use ~190 MB of my allowance.
[12:34] <DFrostedWang> My home is too big.
[12:34] <DFrostedWang> I mean, too small.
[12:34] <DFrostedWang> And it is far from my unallocated space
[12:34] <DFrostedWang> Can I edit fstab to have it mount to /Home, then make a new /home and symlink there somehow?
[12:35] <DFrostedWang> Would that be feasible?
[12:43] <DFrostedWang> Perhaps I could make a new partition ~20GB and copy then symlink .wine there?
[12:48] <hateball> DFrostedWang: do you have unallocated space on the drive?
[12:48] <hateball> DFrostedWang: Why would you make a new partition rather than extend the existing one you use for /home ?
[12:51] <hateball> DFrostedWang: Anyhow, I would boot gparted or some such and resize if you have unallocated space. Otherwise, sure you can create a new partition and place wine there. You could either use a symlink, or use wineprefix to point there
[13:17] <rottingdead> Hallo hello
[13:18] <Husar> hi, someone have blue faces on youtube? :(
[13:19] <rottingdead> Husar: What?  Lol.
[13:19] <Husar> Bleu humans body
[13:19] <Husar> ;d
[13:19] <Husar> yes, looks funny...
[13:19] <Husar> wait, i show u screenshot
[13:20] <rottingdead> Husar: I was just on there mine looked fine.
[13:20] <rottingdead> Husar: Oooooh wait, do you have an nVidia Video Card?
[13:21] <Husar> http://imgup.pl/di/7TPD/zrzut+ekranu1.png
[13:21] <Husar> look at this ;d
[13:22] <Husar> looks like new virus 'Avatar-virus'? lol
[13:22] <Husar> yea, nVidia
[13:22] <Husar> and some days ago, was update, hmy...
[13:23] <rottingdead> Husar: It's NOT a Virus, right click video click Settings uncheck Enable Hardware Acceleration, there's a bug in libvdpau(nVidia Proprietary) program that's being worked on.
[13:23] <Husar> i know that is no virus ;p
[13:24] <Husar> your fix work
[13:24] <rottingdead> Heheh, just saying
[13:24] <Husar> thx
[13:24] <rottingdead> Husar: I know, it's called a
[13:24] <rottingdead> Software blob
[13:25] <rottingdead> Husar: And it's doing it in Kubuntu now? Last night I used Kubuntu, it wasn't doing it.
[13:25] <Husar> Ok, thats help. Thx again.
[13:25] <marcnesium> Hi all! I have here a little tiny prob with my kde... i've setup my conky stuff (works great), thats located at the very right of my screen. I also setup a shortcut to resize and move a window, so that it fits exactly into my desktop without covering conky and stuff - works great. But: everytime i start an application somehow kde remembers the correct size but places the window somewhere onto my desktop. my question: is there a simple way (config
[13:25] <marcnesium> file) to tell kde to open windows to the top left when started?
[13:26] <Husar> Yup, Kubuntu 64, 12.04
[13:26] <rottingdead> marcnesium: Not sure, I do know it's the window manager(kwin) that's doing that..
[13:28] <marcnesium> rottingdead: do you know if there is some kind of default value for positon somewhere?
[13:28] <DFrostedWang> Having issues installing now.
[13:28] <DFrostedWang> Failed to run install script
[13:28] <DFrostedWang> I have enough space, tho.
[13:28] <rottingdead> marcnesium: Check in system settings under K Menu, see if you can't find anything for kwin.
[13:29] <DFrostedWang> hateball: I don't suppose you know how to help me now?
[13:29] <marcnesium> searched for that a long time... nothing found... looking for something in config files...
[13:29] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: What are you trying to do anyway?
[13:29] <hateball> DFrostedWang: doing what?
[13:30] <hateball> I'm many things. Mindreader is not one.
[13:31] <rottingdead> marcnesium: Sorry, can't really help with this one, shouldn't there be something your ~/ directory under ~/.kde ?
[13:31] <DFrostedWang> Installing Steam and Skyrim
[13:32] <DFrostedWang> I figured you might remember what I was doing.
[13:32] <DFrostedWang> Anyway, running the install script gets me that error.
[13:32] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Heheh..  I'm not really a gamer here.
[13:32] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Pastebin or ompldr a screenshot?
[13:32] <DFrostedWang> okay
[13:33] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Wait, are you talking about a game install, or Kubuntu install?
[13:33] <DFrostedWang> game install
[13:33] <DFrostedWang> It's a WINE issue.
[13:33] <hateball> !wine
[13:33] <marcnesium> rottingdead: yeah, i'm looking into kwinrc, but a lot of ??? in there
[13:33] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Ooooh, thought you meant Kubuntu.
[13:33] <DFrostedWang> rottingdead: I would like to make Unity work again, tho. If you wanna help with a Kubuntu install.
[13:33] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Heheh, I know what wine is, =P.
[13:34] <DFrostedWang> Would it be feasible to run microXP in VB?
[13:34] <DFrostedWang> Because I have it
[13:34] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: And you may be in luck!!  Just follow these instructions and it just might help.
[13:34] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: No, =(
[13:34] <DFrostedWang> Why not?
[13:34] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Run -> wget kegel.com/wine/winetricks
[13:35] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: From Konsole, or Gnome Terminal, it doesn't matter.
[13:35] <DFrostedWang> I have winetricks already...
[13:35] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: sh winetricks vcrun2005sp1 do that?
[13:36] <DFrostedWang> I have vcrun2008
[13:36] <DFrostedWang> But I will install 2005spi
[13:36] <DFrostedWang> sp1*
[13:36] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Aaah yeah, get 2005, I didn't know 2008 existed.
[13:36] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Also  sh winetricks dotnet20 ; sh winetricks gdiplus
[13:37] <DFrostedWang> dotnet20? Okay
[13:37] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Yep...
[13:37] <DFrostedWang> All the versions on the tutorial were higher
[13:37] <DFrostedWang> Maybe that is the issue.
[13:38] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: There's also dotnet40 but it'll encounter an error,  you have to follow the instructions that winetricks specifies to get dotnet40.
[13:38] <DFrostedWang> dotnet35 does too
[13:38] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Did you have any issues with ie8 crashing? I couldn't get ie8 working, =(/
[13:39] <MMlosh> Hi!  kubuntu installer crashes on me..   :(    in  kde_ui.py line 957 in on_next_clicked       it's AttributeError 'Page' object has no attribute 'controller'
[13:39] <DFrostedWang> I haven't tried
[13:39] <DFrostedWang> IE sux
[13:39] <DFrostedWang> Bandwidth issues
[13:39] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: In Kubuntu, installing Unity should be straight forward.
[13:39] <DFrostedWang> I have Unity installed
[13:39] <DFrostedWang> But it looks like crap all of a sudden
[13:39] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Yeah, some stuff, like if you play WoW, the installer thing doesn't look very good, once you install ie7 or ie6, it looks fine.
[13:40] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Yeah, you're probably missing some stuff, no?
[13:40] <DFrostedWang> Maybe
[13:40] <hateball> MMlosh: You could try the alternate installer, if you're comfortable with an ncurses install
[13:40] <MMlosh> already downloading that...
[13:40] <DFrostedWang> But my computer runs for days at a time, so when I reboot and something is wrong, IDK what it is, exactly.
[13:40] <DFrostedWang> Note: command 'unzip -o -q -d /home/ubuntu/.wine/dosdevices/c:/windows/syswow64 l_intl.zip' returned status 50. Aborting.
[13:40] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Yeah, I couldn't get 2 days on Kubuntu without KDE freezing up, =(.
[13:41] <DFrostedWang> Same thing I got installing dotnet35
[13:41] <MMlosh> hateball, is it possible that it crashes because of my input?  can computer name contain spaces?
[13:42] <hateball> MMlosh: Well, it *shouldnt*
[13:42] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Yeah, don't worry about copying issues and warnings, those happen to me too, and they're fine.
[13:42] <hateball> MMlosh: shouldnt contain spaces, that is
[13:42] <DFrostedWang> I am not worrying...
[13:42] <DFrostedWang> They won't let it install with errors
[13:42] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Here's my system -> Linux localhost 3.5.0-gentoo #3 SMP Wed Aug 8 03:46:19 UTC 2012 x86_64 Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5400 @ 2.70GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[13:43] <hateball> The old ricer solution
[13:43] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Ooooooooh, hey, move everything from ~/.wine then delete .wine and run -> WINEARCH=win32 winecfg ; Wine doesn't run too good in a 64Bit Arch.
[13:44] <MMlosh> hateball, usernames shouldn't start with a big letter...  yet the installer is perfectly fine with that ..  but a space in hostname crashes it?   I wonder why haven't tried removing that space
[13:44] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Then you can just move everything back to .wine.
[13:44] <rottingdead> MMlosh: You can use \ such as Program\ Files
[13:44] <marcnesium> i found it! in kwinrc: Placement=ZeroCornered
[13:44] <rottingdead> marcnesium: Sweet, =)
[13:45] <marcnesium> thanks for the help!
[13:45] <rottingdead> marcnesium: Haha, is there really that many lines in kwinrc it looked like it took a while to find that.
[13:45] <MMlosh> rottingdead, will that not crash the installer  AND show itself in shell prompt without the backslash?
[13:46] <rottingdead> MMlosh: Not sure, Linux isn't too fond up spaces, well not in a Terminal anyway
[13:46] <DFrostedWang> rottingdead: Turns out, my installations were still going on in winetricks
[13:47] <rottingdead> MMlosh: Oh, also, yeah, Linux doesn't like capitalized usernames either, =(.
[13:47] <DFrostedWang> rottingdead: I think I broke it now
[13:47] <DFrostedWang> rottingdead: I killed everything wine was running
[13:47] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Always run from Terminal -> top hit "U" type in your username and hit "K" to kill the process..
[13:47] <MMlosh> rottingdead, yes, I know that..  But the installer reports no errors or warnings when someone does that.  Neither does kde user control panel
[13:48] <DFrostedWang> rottingdead: I used htop
[13:48] <rottingdead> MMlosh: Yeah, I was just getting in here so I couldn't see what your problem is.
[13:48] <DFrostedWang> .... I think I just broke htop
[13:48] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Lmfao, how can you break htop?
[13:48] <DFrostedWang> I was doing "man winetricks", but was accidently in my htop window.
[13:49] <DFrostedWang> I said something about a core dump
[13:49] <DFrostedWang> It*
[13:49] <DFrostedWang> And a backtrace
[13:49] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Just hit Ctrl + D, lol.
[13:49] <MMlosh> rottingdead, out of curiosity - why are usernames supposed to be lowercase?
[13:50] <rottingdead> MMlosh: Sorry, I've only been into Linux a couple years and still not sure what everything is, or why somethings are they way they are, =(.
[13:51] <MMlosh> rottingdead, do you know how likely is, that I'll see '\ ' instead of ' ' when I try the backslash way?
[13:51] <rottingdead> marcnesium: Is it finally position Top Left ?
[13:52] <rottingdead> MMlosh: You can use " " if you want..
[13:52] <MMlosh> in the "Your computer's name:" field in the installer?  Will that work?
[13:52] <rottingdead> MMlosh: I only mentioned \ because it's what a terminal does when you use tab completion.
[13:52] <MMlosh> oh
[13:52] <DFrostedWang> wine: WINEARCH set to win32 but '/home/ubuntu/.wine' is a 64-bit installation.
[13:52] <DFrostedWang> I did like you said and got that
[13:53] <rottingdead> MMlosh: No, you can't use spaces in names _ are fine, probably any character except for spaces.
[13:53] <hateball> You could read the RFC for DNS name standards
[13:53] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Yeah, you have to run -> sudo rm -rv .wine ; the sudo is optional, but if you run rm -rv as root, it won't ask questions about removing read-only files from ~/.wine
[13:53] <hateball> or do like microsoft and ignore them ;f
[13:54] <MMlosh> hateball, true.. This computer won't be taking part in DNS, but good point
[13:54] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Oh, the "V" is optional that's mean --verbose.
[13:55] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: When removing directories you need the -r --recursive.
[13:55] <MMlosh> hateball,  update - putting an underscore instead of space DIDN'T help
[13:55] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Just watch what you're doing though, I wasn't and removed my Windows install one day, lmfao
[13:56] <rottingdead> MMlosh: Sorry, I can't help as I'm not sure what you're doing
[13:56] <MMlosh> rottingdead, trying to install kubuntu 64b
[13:56] <rottingdead> MMlosh: OOoooh, and MMlosh if that's what you wanted for a username didn't work?
[13:57] <marcnesium> rottingdead: yeah, with that key set, that i posted. works fine now :)
[13:57] <MMlosh> rottingdead, that probably won't work as well
[13:57] <hateball> MMlosh: heh, strange. how long is the computer name then?
[13:57] <MMlosh> 10
[13:57] <DFrostedWang> rottingdead: If I "rm -r" a file/directory, can I recover it?
[13:57] <rottingdead> MMlosh: Yeah, look on the Kubuntu handbook/wiki see if it talks about naming conventions, Linux is kind of fussy about spaces and caps in usernames.
[13:58] <MMlosh> btw: the original content of that field was over 25 characters
[13:58] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: No, you have to very very very careful with rm -v
[13:58] <DFrostedWang> Okay...
[13:58] <DFrostedWang> I just deleted my wine folder then
[13:58] <DFrostedWang> Because my backup is borked and cp -rv * ../ didn't work too well
[13:59] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Like I said, just rm -rv -r .wine but make sure you move your programs in .wine you want first, and then remove .wine
[13:59] <DFrostedWang> It moved the items and didn't leave originals
[13:59] <MMlosh> rottingdead, no spaces in usernames, that would be bad..  But the uppercase user on another computer is doing just fine
[13:59] <MMlosh> switching to alternate...
[13:59] <MMlosh> I am sure error reporting will work there...  crash in error reporting code is so unfortunate...
[13:59] <DFrostedWang> Also, .wine is a mounted partition, so this is a little more complicated.
[13:59] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Yeah, after verifying ~/.wine it's safe to remove .wine directory then : WINEARCH=win32 winecfg
[14:00] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Why did you mount it?  Lol...  You should only mount $HOME not .wine, =P.
[14:00] <DFrostedWang> A mounted partition that also contains my VBoxes
[14:00] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Why are vboxes in .wine?
[14:00] <DFrostedWang> And I mounted it because my /home partition was running empty and I wanted to install Skryim
[14:01] <DFrostedWang> My computer's a mess
[14:01] <DFrostedWang> Symlinks, copies, backups, etc... are everywhere
[14:01] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Small hard drive, eh?
[14:01] <DFrostedWang> 250GB
[14:01] <DFrostedWang> Not quite big enough for me, I'm afraid
[14:02] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Yeah, you won't like skyrim or any other game for that matter in a Virtual Machine, it'll run soooo bad, it
[14:02] <rottingdead> it'll probably just crash.
[14:02] <DFrostedWang> My VBoxes are in .wine because that is also my VBox partition, BTW.
[14:03] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Like I said, ONLY run rm -r /* -r is only for directories */ when yoou sure EVERYTHING you want is backed up, and still have to watch what your doing, NOTHING is recoverable once that command is ran.
[14:03] <DFrostedWang> I think I'll make a simpler way of doing things
[14:04] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Aaah, I think I see what you mean about VM's, backing things up inside an OS inside a VM?
[14:04] <DFrostedWang> VMs has nothing to do with this, they are just inside that folder
[14:04] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: You did realize that VM's use hard drive space as well, yes?
[14:05] <DFrostedWang> Yes
[14:05] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Why did you put them in .wine though?  I don't get it.
[14:05] <DFrostedWang> I didn't put them in .wine
[14:06] <MMlosh> rottingdead, another bug in Desktop installer - the translation is incomplete, but only the alternated CD warned me
[14:06] <DFrostedWang> My VBoxes were on a 30GB partition, and I mounted that partition as /home/ubuntu/.wine
[14:06] <DFrostedWang> I needed the space
[14:08] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Aaaaah, I see I see..  I just use the standard 4 partitions well except on this install I have 8 partitions.
[14:08] <DFrostedWang> I have ~18 partitions
[14:08] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: /boot swap rootfs(/) /home
[14:09] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: I have 2 Primaries Windows is /dev/sda1 ; /dev/sda2 ; Gentoo = /dev/sda3(Extended) no /dev/sda4 ; /dev/sda5 /boot /dev/sda6 swap /dev/sda7 rootfs /dev/sda8 $HOME
[14:09] <DFrostedWang> | /Music | /Movies | /porn | Virtualbox | /home | Old /home that got too small | [Other OS partitions]
[14:10] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Porn, lmfao.
[14:10] <DFrostedWang> Where else does it go?
[14:10] <DFrostedWang> It used to be symlinked all over the place
[14:10] <MMlosh> rottingdead, hateball,    another issue ahead.  Alternate CD cannot be transformed into USB installer, because it specifically tries to mount the CD.  The HP system I install refused to boot from CDs :(
[14:10] <DFrostedWang> It got annoying
[14:10] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Hahahaha.
[14:11] <rottingdead> rootfs           40G  5.7G   33G  15% / Heh.
[14:11] <DFrostedWang> I have ~50GB to work with, so I suppose I can make a new partition for .wine
[14:12] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: You probably knew, but you can run df -h to see your mounted partitions and how much space is left and used and total
[14:12] <rottingdead> /dev/sda8       181G   20G  152G  12% /home
[14:13] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: This is a 320Gb hard drive, it's about shot though, many reinstalls and this drive is getting old.
[14:13] <DFrostedWang> http://static.inky.ws/text/529
[14:13] <DFrostedWang> How long have you had that computer?
[14:14] <marcnesium> may i ask another question i have regarding dolphin? i'm looking for an option that the fs tree on the left side is enfolded when i click into a folder on the right side... somebody knows something about that?
[14:16] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Not very, every couple years I'm buying new parts, like this month I got a new motherboard -> www.gigabyte.us/prohttp://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3595#spducts/product-page.aspx?pid=3595#sp
[14:16] <MMlosh> hateball, nevermind, starting shell and mounting the correct device fixed the issue. I had to specify filesystem type, without that it crashed while trying to send some ioctl to the partition
[14:16] <DFrostedWang> Mine is only a few years old
[14:16] <DFrostedWang> Acer Aspire 6930
[14:16] <hateball> MMlosh: weird issues you're having :/
[14:16] <DFrostedWang> It's a laptop with a broken screen
[14:16] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Sorry, you'll get an error with that link I posted.
[14:17] <rottingdead> http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3595#sp
[14:18] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: My CPU is fairly old though...
[14:18] <DFrostedWang> I got a dual-core 2.0GHz
[14:19] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Yeahp.
[14:19] <DFrostedWang> My graphics suck, tho
[14:19] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Mine is a dual core CPU 2.57Ghz if iirc..
[14:19] <rottingdead> 2.70**
[14:19] <rottingdead> model name      : Pentium(R) Dual-Core  CPU      E5400  @ 2.70GHz
[14:19] <DFrostedWang> "if iirc" is redundant, you know.
[14:20] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Yeah, sorry, haha.
[14:20] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: I was going to say if I recall correctly, got lazy, =P.
[14:21] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: I have an nVidia GeForce GTS 450 GDDR5 1 Gig Video Card, not too shabby
[14:21]  * DFrostedWang just noticed there are only 282 ppl in #kubuntu
[14:21] <DFrostedWang> Why not 1500-ish like #ubuntu?
[14:21] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Hah, who knows.
[14:22] <MMlosh> hateball, rottingdead: On Alternate, the error reporting code works..  The rules for the hostname is  [letters,numbers,dash], length 63 or lower, not allowed to start or end with the dash
[14:23] <rottingdead> MMlosh: Yeahp, you can use _ such as _MMlosh, no?
[14:23] <oneslash2> hi. i have the KDE environment, i can hear sound when logging in but if i open a mp3/avi/youtube etc i can't hear anything
[14:23] <MMlosh> rottingdead, the installer won't let me do that
[14:24] <rottingdead> MMlosh: Aaah, that's news to me then.
[14:24] <MMlosh> the same goes for usernames with the first letter uppercase..
[14:24] <MMlosh> my system doesn't mind, but the installer does
[14:24] <rottingdead> oneslash2: Yeahp, typical PulseAudio for you!!
[14:24] <oneslash2> rottingdead: newbie here, what should i do?
[14:25] <rottingdead> oneslash2: Is _is_ safe to uninstall pulseaudio from your system, restart Kubuntu, see if that helps..
[14:25] <rottingdead> oneslash2: Are you  using an onboard sound card or pci?
[14:25] <oneslash2> rottingdead: onboard, laptop
[14:26] <rottingdead> oneslash2: Don't remove pulseaudio then, I've never owned a laptop, so I couldn't figure out a work around for ya
[14:27] <oneslash2> ATI Technologies Inc Wrestler HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 6250/6310]
[14:27] <MMlosh> oneslash2, sounds like phonon hogging the sound devices and not letting pulse to handle them..   is that non-12.04 kubuntu?
[14:27] <rottingdead> oneslash2: Try adding your username to pulse and pulseaccess groups -> gpasswd -a YourUserName pulse ; gpasswd -a YourUserName pulseaccess, see if that helps.
[14:28] <rottingdead> MMlosh: Do you know a work around?  Because quite frankly, I _HATE_ PulseAudio, =P.
[14:28] <MMlosh> robotdevil, oneslash2 let's try browsing kubuntu setting first and forcing the streams through pulseaudio..   and btw: the group is named pulse-access
[14:28] <MMlosh> rottingdead, I love it.. allows me to kill sounds from flashplayer and keep the rest
[14:29] <rottingdead> MMlosh: Thanks, I didn't know, as I don't have pulse on this system
[14:29] <MMlosh> also I don't need a soundcard in all of my PCs and hw muxing
[14:30] <oneslash2> MMlosh: where to browse the settings?
[14:30] <MMlosh> do you have full kubuntu, or KDE somewhere?
[14:30] <oneslash2> rottingdead: i don't have pulse and pulseaccess groups
[14:31] <rottingdead> oneslash2: You should, installing pulse and pulse-access should add the groups to /etc/group
[14:31] <rottingdead> oneslash2: sorry, installing pulseaudio**
[14:31] <rottingdead> oneslash2: I'm not really familiar with Kubuntu these days, I'm using a more advanced CLI OS nowadays.
[14:32] <oneslash2> rottingdead: what os?
[14:32] <rottingdead> oneslash2: Gentoo Linux.
[14:33] <rottingdead> oneslash2: And it's slower too get anything as well, it's source based, meaning it's a rolling release, it installs from sources rather than binaries, like Ubuntu/Kubuntu or OpenSUSE.
[14:34] <oneslash2> rottingdead: nice, do you get to learn new things with it?
[14:34] <rottingdead> oneslash2: Yes, how a headache truly feels, =P.
[14:34] <oneslash2> rottingdead: also, thanks, installing pulse audio worked but i cannot make volume higher
[14:34] <BluesKaj> MMlosh, pulseaudio without pavucontrol limits your options. If you have a pci soundcard then PA is essential (unfortunately), but most onboards seem to link to flash webaudio with a problem, something pci soundcards arenm't able to do
[14:35] <rottingdead> oneslash2: If you aren't familiar with command line, you will _HATE_ gentoo for eternity, =P
[14:35] <BluesKaj> err  onboards seem to link to flash webaudio "without" a problem
[14:35] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: How's you been?  Haven't seen ya in a few days.
[14:36] <oneslash2> no volume, pressing vol buttons does nothing
[14:36] <BluesKaj> rottingdead, I'm fine , how's things with you?
[14:36] <rottingdead> oneslash2: You can also type alsamixer in Konsole and press F6 to select your sound card and adjust your sound settings there as well.
[14:36] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: Not bad.
[14:38] <rottingdead> oneslash2: I always forget about pavucontrol..
[14:40] <BluesKaj> I'm not a pulseaudio fan, if i could do without it I would , but my onboard audio is crappy even thru spdif , so I installed a m-audio pci soundcard which a much cleaner digital stream to the audio receiver DAC
[14:40] <MMlosh> BluesKaj, it's not that bad nowadays.. both kde volume control and gnome volume controls now support it quite well...  only the "configuration" tab in pavucontrol is something extra
[14:40] <DFrostedWang> 61MB left in /home
[14:40] <DFrostedWang> How can I make it bigger?
[14:40] <DFrostedWang> I can't increase the partition size
[14:40] <rottingdead> This is pretty sweet eh, this is a TTY Console -> http://ompldr.org/vZjFtZg/cli
[14:40] <MMlosh> also: PA in default situation allows me to use only analog OR only digital out at once, although both work fine in paralell
[14:40] <DFrostedWang> I thought maybe some kind of symlinking system w/ a new partition might help.
[14:40] <oneslash2> rottingdead: pavucontrol helped but the volume up/down keys won't work
[14:40] <DFrostedWang> Any suggestions?
[14:41] <MMlosh> oneslash2, they are regular hotkeys
[14:41] <rottingdead> oneslash2: Got and up and down arrow?  Hit those instead.
[14:41] <MMlosh> oneslash2, they need to be configured somewhere
[14:41] <MMlosh> oneslash2, also - did you setup the master channel in kde volume control?
[14:41] <oneslash2> MMlosh: thanks. dumb nme
[14:41] <MMlosh> without that you may be adjusting wrong channel's volume
[14:42] <rottingdead> MMlosh: I never had luck with my onboard sound card either, I had to splurge(spelling), and buy a PCI Sound Card envy24 Family
[14:43] <BluesKaj> oneslash2,
[14:43] <BluesKaj> in the terminal type ' alsamixer ', make sure the Master, PCM,  Line & CD are all unmuted ,by using the "M" key'  then turn those controls up to the max
[14:43] <MMlosh> rottingdead, mine worked fine with pulse after some tweaking, but wine produced only cracking sound
[14:43] <MMlosh> BluesKaj, won't work with pulse  "alsamixer -c0" might be the way
[14:44] <oneslash2> BluesKaj: done, it's fine now!
[14:44] <oneslash2> thanks all
[14:44] <rottingdead> MMlosh: Yeah, I'm getting a screen shot here of my sound card.
[14:44] <MMlosh> rottingdead, after that I switched to PCI soundblaster from 1997 ...  loud and clear :P
[14:44] <rottingdead> MMlosh: I have to merge xwd and imagemagick though, as I'm all CLI, so I don't have a graphical Screen Shot Program installed yet.
[14:44] <oneslash2> now it leaves me with the radeon drivers. I cannot use KDE destop effects. Tried to install ati's proprietary drivers but no success
[14:45] <MMlosh> rottingdead, I was unaware that you had some problems as well..   you can't make a screenshot of a soundcard. only a photo
[14:45] <rottingdead> oneslash2: There _should_ be a command you _Must_ add argbglxvisuals "yes" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf for that to work.
[14:45] <BluesKaj> rottingdead, the snd_ice1724 driver ?
[14:45] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: Yes!!!
[14:46] <DFrostedWang> GUYS! Any help for my problem
[14:46] <DFrostedWang> ?
[14:46] <BluesKaj> yup, that's the m-audio driver as well , same chip i guess
[14:46] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Sorry, what?
[14:46] <DFrostedWang> 61MB left in /home
[14:47] <DFrostedWang> I can't increase the partition size
[14:47] <DFrostedWang> I thought maybe some kind of symlinking system w/ a new partition might help.
[14:47] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: It's been a pretty pretty nice sound card, =).
[14:47] <DFrostedWang> Any suggestions?
[14:47] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Hey, don't mind a stupid arrogant question, but you do know what a symlink is, yes?
[14:48] <oneslash2> damn, youtube still has no sound
[14:48] <rottingdead> oneslash2: Something is stealing your sounds it appears, figuring that out is one thing I could never figure out.
[14:49] <marcnesium> rottingdead: may i ask another question i have regarding dolphin? i'm looking for an option that the fs tree on the left side is enfolded when i click into a folder on the right side... somebody knows something about that?
[14:49] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: ln - make links between files that's all symlinking does, heheh.
[14:49] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: manpages FTw.
[14:49] <DFrostedWang> rottingdead: I know
[14:49] <rottingdead> DFrostedWang: Just making sure.
[14:49] <DFrostedWang> I have used them before
[14:50] <DFrostedWang> I thought maybe I could symlink the old partition to the new one, but have it only write files in folders on the new partition.
[14:50] <rottingdead> marcnesium: Redefine, I'm not sure what you're asking.
[14:50] <BluesKaj> rottingdead, yes I'm happy with it , altho it took me a week to find the right driver name , altho i thought i could run it without pulseaudio , but was mistaken ...at least the digital passthru works well in PA
[14:50] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: Hmm, no PA here, I mask that in Gentoo, =P.
[14:51] <rottingdead> marcnesium: Hitting F8 in Dolphin shows/hides hidden directories
[14:51] <BluesKaj> rottingdead, how about flash audio on websites ?
[14:52] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: Works just fine.
[14:53] <BluesKaj> really , so alsa links to webaudio with your soundcard , mine doesn't and I can't find the answer , rottingdead
[14:53] <rottingdead> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GDngCjHrUw That sounds sweeeeet in my 5.1 Surround, =).
[14:53] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: Dude, you're using PA,=P
[14:54] <BluesKaj> yeah , ive tried running without PA , no audio on websites that use flash , whiuch most do
[14:54] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: Dude, you never added snd_hda_intel to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf did you?  If you're using onboard, you're kind of stuck.
[14:56] <BluesKaj> rottingdead, sorry , i don't get you
[14:56] <marcnesium> rottingdead: in dolphin you can have two planes: leftside i prefer a treeview of my filesystem. rightside there is the content of the current folder. with me? my problem: when i double click onto a folder on the right side to get into that folder, i would like the leftside to open that corrsponding tree branch for the folder i just entered... sorry for my bad english
[14:57] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: Here's my alsamixer -> http://ompldr.org/vZjFtbQ/Desktop.png
[14:58] <rottingdead> marcnesium: Sounds like it's just copying rather than opening where you want it, sorry, Dolphin isn't merged on my system yet....  So I can't follow along
[14:59] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: su - password ; echo "blacklist snd_hda_intel" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf ; Note: DO NOT for both >> only using 1 > will delete EVERYTHING inside /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf >> adds to it..
[15:00] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: Open alsamixer, see if there's multiple cards in F6 menu, if there's only one, you don't need to, if there's 2 or more, you need to blacklist your onboard sound card.
[15:00] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: If yours is onboard, you're stuck..
[15:01] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: If it's PCI like mine, you can blacklist the onboard, it's the only work around I could ever come across on google..
[15:01] <BluesKaj> no my pci m-audio card is the only one showing in alsamixer , i have the onboard audio disabled in the bios , rottingdead
[15:01] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: Sound don't I, but it still appeared in there anyway, =(.
[15:02] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: What's m-audio?
[15:03] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: Because snd_hda_intel(Onboard) is very common, Developers of the kernel have it build into the kernel in menuconfig, I do manual menuconfig and have it built as a module..
[15:03] <DFrostedWang> Basically, I need to link $newhome (with more space) to $oldhome (with my files), but only write new files to $newhome. Is it that hard to do?
[15:03] <BluesKaj> m-audio pci soundcard , it's a brand of highrer end soundcards ,...uses breakout cables etc , but i bought it used mainly for the digital stream from spdif out to my audio receiver , rottingdead
[15:04] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: Because it's built as a module and I have my envy24 built in, udev(I think) ignores the onboard because I didn't add snd_hda_intel to /etc/conf.d/modules
[15:04] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: I don't have these sound problems, =). See in Kubuntu, the onboard driver is built-in, because it's common.
[15:05] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: So when I get done updating Kubuntu I add snd_hda_intel to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf and restart, and sound problems are done.
[15:05] <rottingdead> s/done/gone**
[15:06] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: Sorry, I'm probably a little more familiar with Linux, so I'm probably not making much sense, =P
[15:06] <BluesKaj> yeah , I have the snd_ice1724 as "Card 0" in  /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf , "options snd_ice1724 index=0"
[15:06] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: So what's the issue then?
[15:07] <BluesKaj> still no audio on websites without pulse installed , otherwise all audio works fine thru alsa without pulse, rottingdead
[15:08] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: You have to say my name in the beginning, I can't remember the irssi command for the hilighting thing, it only works currently if my name is at the beginning.
[15:09] <BluesKaj> rottingdead, alsa doesn't sdeem to link to flash without pulseaudio to put it more simply
[15:09] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: What is sooooo great about this PA?  =P
[15:09] <BluesKaj> rottingdead, yet flv files on the pc play fine
[15:10] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: Okay, I remembered the command, now my name doesn't matter where it's at..
[15:10] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: Hmm, sounds like a Flash issue, I can't help with..
[15:11] <BluesKaj> rottingdead, PA acts as an alsa link to flash using the PA layer
[15:11] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: I have that issue with Pidgin as well at times in Kubuntu
[15:11] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: Are you 5.1 Surround, standard, or 7.1 Surround?
[15:12] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: I'm 5.1 Surround Sound, stuff with bass sounds sweet, =)..  Even in crappy sound quality movies on YT
[15:13] <BluesKaj> rottingdead, I'm sdpdif digital out to a 6.1 audio receiver , whgich decodes DD , DTS and pcm stereo of course
[15:13] <rottingdead> qt-gui is currently compiling, =(.  The killer is coming soon, qt-webkit, ugh.
[15:13] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: Hmm, didn't know 6.1 existed.
[15:14] <BluesKaj> yeah 3 surround speakers
[15:14] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: I have a 5 Speaker Set here..  2 Rears, 2 Front, 1 Center, 1 Bass.
[15:15] <rottingdead> I do need my Qt stuff, as I'm some what of a Qt Developer, =P..  I don't work for Nokia, but you get my point,=P
[15:15] <rottingdead> KDevelop for the win.
[15:17] <BluesKaj> rottingdead, yeah , 3 front Paradigm (FL, C, FR ) , Dahlquist sub , peerless surronds atm , I may swap the Boston Acoustics surrounds back in later
[15:17] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: Yeah, I don't get into all that fancy schmancy stuff, hehe.
[15:18] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: Do you know what Amatuer Radio is?  Judgin by menuconfig "H" it something for radios, sounds like you need special equipment for it.
[15:19] <BluesKaj> rottingdead, amatuer radio is HAM radio afaik
[15:19] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: If you ever wanted to look at menuconfig just cd to /usr/src then cd to your kernel directory you need to be root, then type make menuconfig a plethora of stuff in theer
[15:20] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: Don't modify anything, just hit the Up/down Arrow Keys..
[15:20] <BluesKaj> rottingdead, yeah , but what to do there , is the question ?
[15:20] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: Nothing when it comes to Kubuntu, heh..
[15:22] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: When you're using(off-topic) Gentoo like I do, you get to enable and disable stuff you don't or won't ever need, amateur radio for example, that only needs to be enabled if you have such things, also, sudo won't work when typing make menuconfig, it has to be straight up root
[15:22] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: Which root is disabled in Kubuntu.
[15:22] <marcnesium> rottingdead: thanx anyway..
[15:22] <rottingdead> marcnesium: So sorry, what?
[15:23] <BluesKaj> sudo su
[15:23] <rottingdead> marcnesium: You _Must_ say my name so I know you said something.
[15:23] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: won't work, you _must_ log in as root.
[15:23] <marcnesium> rottingdead: the dolphnin thing (sorry, went away for some minutes)...
[15:23] <rottingdead> marcnesium: Aaaah, sorry, i can't help there, =(.
[15:24] <BluesKaj> I have to go do some yardwork before it rains , so Ill see you guys later
[15:24] <rottingdead> marcnesium: And it'll be quite some time before I have Dolphin
[15:24] <rottingdead> BluesKaj: See you later, and nice chatting again!!
[15:24] <marcnesium> rottingdead: what do you use?
[15:24] <rottingdead> marcnesium: Command Line..
[15:25] <rottingdead> marcnesium: I use command line to copy everything, and delete everything
[15:25] <rottingdead> marcnesium: I'm a CLI Freak.
[15:25] <marcnesium> rottingdead: :)
[15:25] <rottingdead> marcnesium: Didn't you see my fbgrab image I linked?
[15:26] <marcnesium> rottingdead: no
[15:26] <rottingdead> marcnesium: I'm in FluxBox now, but get KDE gets merged when I feel like waiting for 2 hours.
[15:27] <marcnesium> rottingdead: ah, found it
[15:27] <rottingdead> marcnesium: http://ompldr.org/vZjFtZg/cli
[15:27] <rottingdead> marcnesium: That _is_ a Command Line, TTY1, heh.
[15:28] <marcnesium> rottingdead: but ur using ff instead of lynx ;)
[15:28] <rottingdead> marcnesium: I can't figure it out yet, but supposedly you _can_ run EVERYTHING from CLI, you don't need a DE(KDE)/WM(FluxBox).
[15:28] <rottingdead> marcnesium: Yeah, links is a annoying, lol..
[15:29] <rottingdead> marcnesium: Right now I'm using FluxBox..
[15:30] <marcnesium> rottingdead: ok then, thanx for discussion, will grab a bite now... cu then
[16:33] <jinson> selam yaaa
[17:20] <gaurav__> guysssssssss
[17:20] <gaurav__> help needed
[17:20] <gaurav__> is anyone free?
[17:24] <gaurav__> guys
[17:24] <gaurav__> seriously help needed
[17:28] <genii-around> !details | gaurav__
[17:29] <gaurav__> oh ok
[17:30] <gaurav__> wei had a problem with wine im running kubuntu 12.04 i was trying to install samsung kies but in the setting wizard it kept telling me to mention wine libs
[17:30] <gaurav__> and i was not able to find them
[17:30] <gaurav__> but eventually i did
[17:30] <gaurav__> instead of 'winelib'
[17:31] <gaurav__> the folder was 'q4wine' for wine libs
[17:31] <gaurav__> but thnx anyways folks
[17:41] <kio_http> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9230121/Digia_buys_Qt_framework_from_Nokia_plans_Android_iOS_and_Windows_8_ports
[17:43] <kio_http> Hope they maintain qt as well as nokia used too.
[18:10] <lordievader> Good evening
[18:22] <dougl> hey guys and gals - anyone chatting today?
[18:22] <DFrostedWang> I am
[18:22] <DFrostedWang> Just not in this channel :P
[18:23]  * dougl wants to spread around some info regarding some printing issues I am having...
[18:23]  * DFrostedWang thinks dougl should start spreadin'
[18:23] <dougl> DFrostedWang, yeah - kinda slow in here at times... but still a good group of people :)
[18:24] <dougl> DFrostedWang, I want to scan an image (bad print job) so I can get some feedback and move forward on reslving this...
[18:25] <dougl> do you know of a pastebin type of thing for images?
[18:25] <DFrostedWang> inky.ws
[18:25] <BluesKaj> dougl, imagebin
[18:25] <dougl> Right on... thanks BluesKaj :)
[18:27] <BluesKaj> dougl, it's my fav , ...np
[18:27] <lordievader> Here too :)
[18:27] <DFrostedWang> :(
[18:27] <DFrostedWang> Nobody uses inky.ws
[18:27] <lordievader> How are you all?
[18:27] <DFrostedWang> Even though it is for pastes/images just like all the other sites.
[18:28] <DFrostedWang> lordievader: I'm fine
[18:28] <DFrostedWang> lordievader: Getting LVM set up.
[18:28] <dougl> cool - thanks guys... if it is good enuff for you guys I am sure it will work for me...
[18:28] <dougl> doing well here considering I took a sick day, how bout you guys - Good I hope.
[18:29] <lordievader> DFrostedWang: Need to do some reading upon LVM... What was it again? Related to data storage right?
[18:29] <lordievader> I'm doing good, yes :)
[18:30] <DFrostedWang> lordievader: Yeah
[18:30] <BluesKaj> fine here dougl ...now that I've cut the lawn
[18:30] <DFrostedWang> lordievader: Lets you use a bunch of partitions as one partition. Fixin' up my /home right now.
[18:30] <lordievader> DFrostedWang: Sounds complicated, complicated and nice.
[18:31] <lordievader> DFrostedWang: Kind of like the dynamic partitions on Windows where you can have one partition stretch over more than one disk.
[18:31] <dougl> BluesKaj, I am very lucky here... girl friend takes care of the lawn for me.
[18:32] <DFrostedWang> lordievader: Nice that I can use it now :D
[18:33] <DFrostedWang> lordievader: jodavis from ##linux is helping me get mine set up. Pretty complicated if you didn't install using LVM.
[18:33] <jinson> türk var mı türk
[18:34] <lordievader> Lets see if ##linux is a good room.
[18:36] <DFrostedWang> lordievader: He's in my channel helping me right now, if you wanna give LVM a go.
[18:37] <lordievader> DFrostedWang: No, that is all-right, I'm happy with the set-up I got right now.
[18:37] <DFrostedWang> Okay
[18:37] <DFrostedWang> What is you setup right now?
[18:39] <lordievader> DFrostedWang: Server that keeps most of the data, stored in several partitions that are mostly EXT4, some are NTFS. All the other pc's can access the data through NFS or SMB.
[18:39] <DFrostedWang> Gotta log out and fix something in /home real quick. BBIAS
[18:39] <DFrostedWang> Neat setup, tho.
[18:43] <BluesKaj> dougl, , nice :)
[18:46] <BluesKaj> how to link flash audio on websites to alsa,  without pulseaudio ...can't seem to find a fix for that
[18:50] <dougl> ok guys this is what my print out looks like from my cups/ubuntu 12.04 install on my samsung clp 320... any thots? http://imagebin.org/223955
[18:52] <lordievader> dougl: Might be a setting or a wrong driver.
[18:54] <dougl> lordievader, I think it is the driver (I had an old lexmark inkjet z31) that did the exact same thing with cups about 10 years ago and I believe it was the driver but cannot recall... and there is only one driver I could find for the samsung printer...
[18:55] <lordievader> dougl: Do you know if someone successfully installed that printer under linux?
[18:55] <dougl> basically I am just looking to my friends in here to stay current with my options on the net to resolve this issue not in any real rush...
[18:56] <dougl> lordievader, not sure I was assuming it was a relatively new printer and popularity has not grown to the point of others experienceing same symtoms on linux... samsung says it is compatible with linux
[18:57] <lordievader> dougl: This site seems to have a bunch of Samsung drivers for linux (32-bit): http://www.downloadsource.net/c246/Samsung/
[19:02] <dougl> lordievader, thanks checking site now...
[19:13] <kalantir> Hello
[19:13] <nixoid_Lacky> Привет
[19:13] <lordievader> Hey kalantir, how are you?
[19:13] <lordievader> !russian | nixoid_Lacky
[19:14] <kalantir> pretty good.  I have a question regarding live usb with persistence
[19:14] <kalantir> Do you guys have much experience with that?
[19:14] <lordievader> kalantir: I have done it once.
[19:15] <kalantir> Basically, I have a Kubuntu live usb with persistence set up.  I have installed some drivers and applications and was wondering if those would carry over to a hard drive install
[19:15] <lordievader> kalantir: This is a site with lots of info regarding a live-usb, with or without persistence. http://www.pendrivelinux.com/
[19:16] <kalantir> It's Kubuntu 12.04 if that makes a difference
[19:16] <lordievader> kalantir: I think that they won't be copied over if you install it on a hard-drive.
[19:16] <nixoid_Lacky>  /join #ubuntu-ru
[19:19] <DFrostedWang> kalantir: If you used a LiveCD to install to the USB, it should do that.
[19:20] <lordievader> DFrostedWang: Is that so, never knew that... So if you install the gfx drivers, and then install you don't need to install the gfx drivers again?
[19:20] <DFrostedWang> I'm pretty sure you can install it on a flash drive as though it was a hard drive
[19:20] <kalantir> I lost my internet connection for a little bit there. DId anyone by chance happen to know the answer to the question I asked a couple minutes ago?
[19:20] <DFrostedWang> Isn't that called a frugal install?
[19:20] <DFrostedWang> kalantir: If you used a LiveCD to install to the USB, it should do that.
[19:21] <kalantir> What do you mean? I used a program called unetbootin with the iso for the live cd
[19:21] <kalantir> is that what you are talking about?
[19:21] <DFrostedWang> UNetBootin installs the Live and Installer versions of Kubuntu onto your USB
[19:21] <kalantir> yeah
[19:22] <DFrostedWang> Installing from an Installer version of Kubuntu makes a normal Kubuntu install
[19:22] <kalantir> and now I'm wondering if I run the installer, if it will carry over the applications I installed while booted from the usb
[19:22] <lordievader> DFrostedWang: I think you got the wrong idea, what he(/she?) is wondering is that the applications that are installed in the live-usb are copied if it is installed to the hdd.
[19:22] <DFrostedWang> So UNetBootin > USB, then USB Installer > New USB
[19:22] <DFrostedWang> It may be too complicated...
[19:22] <DFrostedWang> But I am fairly certain it works
[19:23] <kalantir> So I have to reinstall my applications after I install to the hard drive?
[19:23] <DFrostedWang> kalantir: Yes, I think so.
[19:23] <DFrostedWang> I thought you wanted persistence of apps on your flash drive.
[19:23] <kalantir> I already have a flash drive set up with persistence
[19:23] <kalantir> Now I want to install it to my hard drive
[19:24] <kalantir> with all the applications I've downloaded into it
[19:24] <DFrostedWang> It might work
[19:24] <DFrostedWang> IDK
[19:25] <kalantir> the problem is that Ubuntu 12.04 doesn't have wireless drivers that work for my laptop included so I had to download b43 drivers separately and I installed them into my live usb installation
[19:25] <lordievader> I think it won't be copied over, but hey one way to find out...
[19:25] <kalantir> I just want the installer to be able to connect to the internet
[19:25] <kalantir> ethernet is not an option
[19:25] <lordievader> kalantir: Have the drivers present on the usb, so when you get to the hdd install you can install the wifi drivers right away.
[19:26] <kalantir> but I want the installer to download updates and stuff while it's installing
[19:26] <kalantir> I don't want to have to manually copy the drivers over every time I install Ubuntu on a machine
[19:26] <kalantir> on this machine rather
[19:26] <lordievader> kalantir: If your live usb has an internet connection that should be no problem.
[19:27] <dougl> sheesh... just sitting here with gf ... we are putting in our 3rd or 4th video card in her old machine... something is amiss
[19:27] <lordievader> kalantir: However the version on the hdd after the install probably won't have the driver for the wifi.
[19:28] <lordievader> dougl: Do you mean you got 4 gfx cards in that box?
[19:28] <kalantir> Is there a way to create an live cd iso with drivers and software that I chose?
[19:29] <kalantir> Ideally I want a live cd that is automatically set up exactly the way I like it
[19:29] <kalantir> and installs it exactly the way I like it
[19:29] <kalantir> So I don't have to go through such a huge hassle of redownloading all my drivers and applications every time I reinstall
[19:30] <lordievader> kalantir: Do you plan to reinstall every month or so?
[19:31] <kalantir> I often like to try other operating systems but usually come back to Kubuntu when I'm done toying with it
[19:31] <kalantir> My hard drive isn't very big so I don't like to dual boot
[19:32] <dougl> lordievader, lol - no just one at a time, they keep failing...
[19:32] <lordievader> kalantir: Get a secondary drive to experiment with, nowadays drives are quite cheap.
[19:32] <lordievader> dougl: Ah, failing how?
[19:33] <kalantir> I don't have any money or I would just buy a better computer
[19:33] <dougl> all evga and usually the fan... on 220 9400 4300 and now another 4300 <- lordievader
[19:33] <kalantir> so there isn't a convenient way to make a custom live cd?
[19:33] <lordievader> kalantir: I see, and VM's are no option either?
[19:33] <dougl> lordievader, the fan first and if I did not catch it it woul cook the card
[19:33] <kalantir> vm's run too slow
[19:33] <kalantir> on my computer
[19:34] <lordievader> kalantir: I won't be surprised if a custom live cd is possible, however I have never heard of it, try Google.
[19:34] <dougl> this last one the fan was going and it shutdown the pc and my son called it... checked it out and sure enuff the fan was packing in.
[19:35] <lordievader> dougl: Do you happen to have a 9V battery laying around? Then you can see if the fan works, usually they have 3 pins, if you just connect the positive and ground it runs at max rpm.
[19:35] <dougl> kalantir, sec
[19:36] <kalantir> I see, there is apparently something called Ubuntu Customization Kit
[19:36] <dougl> ... norton ghost ? <- kalantir
[19:38] <kalantir> That also appears to be an option but I think the Ubuntu Customization Kit should do exactly what I want. Just another reason to love Ubuntu I guess
[19:38] <dougl> lordievader, good to know... will keep it in mind - up until now they all stopped/seized this last one is the first that we caught still working... my son heard it and I stuck my finger in the fan so I could hear the difference and did plus the card crapped out once and did a shutdown and  would not boot til it cooled down.
[19:39] <lordievader> dougl: The CPU fan is working fine though?
[19:41] <kalantir> I have one last question. I am using openSuSE 12.1+ KDE right now and have noticed a couple of desktop layouts(Grid Desktop and Grouping Desktop) which do not appear to be enabled by default in Kubuntu 12.04. Is this a openSuSE feature, or is there a way to enable that in Kubuntu? I really like Grid Desktop
[19:42] <lordievader> kalantir: You need some package for that, I got them here too, forgot what package it was though...
[19:42] <lordievader> kalantir: All hard-drives under $25: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007603%20600003270%204093&IsNodeId=1&name=%2410%20-%20%2425
[19:43] <lordievader> Also found a 6GB driver for $4... :)
[19:50] <dougl> lordievader, cpu fan is good and 4" exhaust fan been working for the last 2 vid card's life span.
[19:53] <lordievader> dougl: Ok, that is good to know, you can't get a giant heat-sink to passively cool the gfx card?
[19:55] <dougl> went shopping locally and never found anything... never tried the net yet tho... new cards less than 60 bucks tho so hard to justify the trouble of customizing a video card.
[19:55] <dougl> and now evga has 3 years all I have to do is pay the 30 shipping and get another new one.
[19:56] <dougl> gotta run ppl - talk to you later
[19:56] <lordievader> dougl: Bye.
[20:08] <aguitel> how install minimal kde
[20:08] <DFrostedWang> How do I add my user to a group in CLI?
[20:09] <lordievader> DFrostedWang: I have a feeling this will help you out: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-add-user-to-group/
[20:10] <lordievader> aguitel: You mean one that is smaller than kubuntu-desktop?
[20:10] <aguitel> lordievader, yes
[20:11] <pb> if I wanted to obtrain a free windows emulator besides wine. what would be my choices?
[20:12] <aguitel> lordievader, staring using this:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD/
[20:12] <lordievader> aguitel: Hmm, perhaps the package kde-baseapps on a ubuntu server install. But I'm not sure if kde-baseapps contains something that can be considered a desktop.
[20:12] <DFrostedWang> It didn't help
[20:12] <aguitel> lordievader, ok
[20:13] <lordievader> Wow 30MB for a ubuntu install, kind of a waste of space on the cd... But on the other hand, quite nice.
[20:14] <lordievader> DFrostedWang: Did you get some kind of an error?
[20:14] <DFrostedWang> Not really
[20:15] <DFrostedWang> All I want to do is add my user to vboxusers so I can attempt to use modio on a USB stick I have my Skyrim save on
[20:15] <lordievader> DFrostedWang: Using a gui doesn't work?
[20:17] <DFrostedWang> I wanted to do it faster
[20:17] <DFrostedWang> But I suppose I will just have to use a GUI
[21:22] <darthanubis> after disconnecting the external monitor,even after I tell kde it is gone, new open windows appear on the removed window
[21:51] <em> I have a bit of a serious problem now -- I installed the bouncy ball widget. In its settings it had an 'autobounce' option so to just see what that does I tried that.  I tried myself and it definitely works
[22:14] <Sentynel> it's possible your shortcuts are different, in which case you can hit the plasma bean thingy in the corner and shortcut settings
[22:15] <em> alt+d and then r
[22:16] <em> that brought up a search thing at the top of the screen with an r in it.
[22:16] <Sentynel> check the shortcuts settings
[22:18] <em> In shortcut settings it says that remove this widget is Alt+D R
[22:18] <em> but maybe you have to actually be on the widget for that work or something?
[22:18] <em> because when i do alt+D R it brings up some sort of window at the top of the scren with a wrench on the left side and a text field in the middle to type in, with my 'r' in it
[22:19] <that_guy_melvin> that's because you're going from the desktop. click on the widget maybe?
[22:19] <em> If I could click on the widget I could remove the widget ....
[22:20] <that_guy_melvin> are your widgets unlocked?
[22:20] <em> yes
[22:20] <em> I cannot click on the widget because this is a bouncing @#$%#@$% red ball
[22:20] <em> and it bounces fast and all over the place
[22:20] <em> you cannot click on it to remove it
[22:20] <em> why did they put it in Kubuntu?
[22:21] <that_guy_melvin> try alt-d, release alt while holding d, keep d down while you hit r
[22:22] <em> when you realise alt while holding the 'd' that text field i talked about showing up in the popdown window at the top is filled with dddddddddddddddd
[22:22] <em> release*
[22:22] <that_guy_melvin> try going quicker, sort of -roll across the keys
[22:26] <em> that_guy_melvin: that does nothing.
[22:26] <em> Im sorry to say that this is an example of how Kubuntu/KDE is not ready to be used by normal people.
[22:28] <that_guy_melvin> try overwriting /usr/share/kde4/apps/bball/bball.svgz with an invisible transparant empty file?
[22:32] <OerHeks> em locked your widgets and changed the settings of bouncy ball
[22:33] <OerHeks> normal people will read the manual. i do.
[22:34] <that_guy_melvin> where's the manpage under?
[22:38] <em> OerHeks: oh? what do you mean lock the widgets?
[22:39] <em> OerHeks: ive locked and unlocked them many times. Nothing changes.
[22:39] <em> and never am i given any option for settings. So what are you saying please?
[22:44] <em> OerHeks: no?
[22:48] <em> Im going to file a bug on this.
[22:49] <em> if anyone has any ideas at all I surely would like to hear them.
[23:30] <Ormie> HELP! Kubuntu Crashes Frequently when the display brightness is changed.
[23:32] <Ormie> /[-.-]\
[23:33] <alabamahit> Hey guys got an odd problem. My mouse is kinda jerky and hops across the screen when I'm moving it. It did 'not' do this on live. And like at the log in screen I don't think it was there either.
[23:36] <alabamahit> cpu is running at 6-8% for some reason...at basically idle. it is i7 2600k and gigabyte motherboard.
[23:39] <alabamahit> what is reminds me of is like watching a video on youtube on a recorded screen and how there mouse lags...
[23:43] <alabamahit> brb
[23:46] <alabamahit> I was wong before. It 'does' do it on the log in screen also