[12:18] <LaserJock> hehe
[12:22] <LaserJock> ogra: http://www.chem.unr.edu/~mantha/edubuntu/
[12:23] <LaserJock> the menu files aren't really very cool ATM
[12:23] <LaserJock> but I just, in the last couple minutes, got an Edubuntu 6.06.1 install to finally work
[12:24] <LaserJock> so I can look at the menu and get some better .menus
[12:29] <swhalen> does anyone know of a good web filter?
[12:29] <LaserJock> for what?
[12:29] <LaserJock> like a content filter?
[12:31] <swhalen> yes
[12:31] <LaserJock> dansguardian is one
[12:32] <LaserJock> Amaranth is working on a nice new one for Edgy
[12:32] <LaserJock> but I don't think it's backported to dapper
[12:35] <LaserJock> swhalen: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=207008 is a decent HowTo for setting up dansguardian
[12:35] <swhalen> thanks
[12:37] <swhalen> are there any docs on deploying this network wide?
[12:40] <LaserJock> not that I know of
[01:12] <Burgwork> ogra, you really are trying to get into UWN this week. All these new features
[01:13] <ogra> Burgwork, mostly only very roughly tested ...
[01:13] <ogra> i'd rather like a big announcement before knot3 :)
[01:14] <Burgwork> well, I plan on writing a little section about LTSP this week, if you don't mind
[01:14] <Burgwork> the Knot3 page will also include a section on it
[01:14] <ogra> especially the installer stuff i just commited is a bit risky
[01:14] <ogra> cool
[01:15] <Burgwork> given you were bitching about Edubuntu having nothing ;)
[01:15] <Burgwork> can you tell me all the people involved in the work?
[01:15] <ogra> ltsp ?
[01:15] <ogra> thats only me
[01:15] <Burgwork> I see other branches being merged
[01:15] <ogra> and vagrant cascadian from freegeek
[01:16] <ogra> but he cares rather for making my stuff work in debian
[01:16] <ogra> and sends the fixes back to me
[01:16] <Burgwork> just wanted to make certain I got everybody
[01:16] <Burgwork> accuracy and all that
[01:16] <ogra> oh, sbalneav helped a lot as well
[01:17] <ogra> cbx33 deserves a HUGE praise for completing SCP
[01:18] <ogra>  GF gets angry ... i need to stop for the day (worked >20h the last two days)
[01:20] <LaserJock> ogra: I'm just adding the right menus, etc.
[01:21] <LaserJock> I'll have an update source package in a little bit
[01:21] <LaserJock> shall I email it to you so you can check it out when you get up?
[01:21] <LaserJock> or should I even upload it to REVU?
[01:21] <ogra> yeah, that'd be nice
[01:21] <ogra> nah ... mail is fine
[01:21] <LaserJock> ok, I want to test it a little bit more and then I'll send it to you
[01:21] <LaserJock> I've got 8 groups right now
[01:22] <ogra> nice
[01:22] <ogra> but anyway, i fall asleep over my keyboard ...
[01:22] <ogra> night all
[01:22] <LaserJock> good  night
[01:23] <pygi> night
[02:46] <techlife> does anyone know if there is a specific automatix package for edubuntu or can I just use the one for dapper?
[02:53] <Amaranth> oh dear
[02:55] <mhz> I was about to answer
[02:55] <mhz> :(
[03:03] <LaserJock> :-)
[03:16] <mhz_off> see ya tomorrow, sometime after 17 UTC
[04:10] <sbalneav> Evening all
[08:49] <TeePOG> morning all
[08:49] <highvoltage> morning TeePOG
[08:49] <TeePOG> morning highvoltage, how goes?
[08:50] <highvoltage> good thanks TeePOG
[08:50] <TeePOG> ^^^ = reinstalling
[08:50] <highvoltage> TeePOG: did you try that command I sent you yesterday?
[08:51] <TeePOG> yes highvoltage, did nada
[08:51] <highvoltage> :/
[08:51] <TeePOG> in the end, not even my own username would log me into X
[08:51] <TeePOG> ergo, reinstall
[08:52] <TeePOG> luckily i didn't have anything else going on that box
[08:52] <RichEd> hi TeePOG :)
[08:52] <RichEd> Yesterday got out of control ... I didn't get back to you ... sorry
[08:52] <TeePOG> btw highvoltage, would you have any idea why the repos [even with all the universe/multiverse repos enabled]  cannot find an installation candidate for webmin?
[08:54] <TeePOG> hi RichEd mate, no worries
[08:54] <Burgundavia> TeePOG: that would be because it has been removed
[08:54] <TeePOG> hmm, ok... it's been my friend and companion since forever :-(
[08:55] <Burgundavia> it is old, buggy and mostly dead upstream
[08:55] <Burgundavia> debian removed and thus we followed
[08:55] <TeePOG> hmm... any alternatives?
[08:56] <Burgundavia> not that I know of
[08:56] <RichEd> hi Burgundavia ... JaneW and I were chatting about you on the weekend :)
[08:56] <TeePOG> darn
[08:56] <Burgundavia> really?
[08:56] <Burgundavia> what sort of evil things were you saying about me?
[08:57] <RichEd> She ran in a ladies race sponsored by a local Afrikaans newpaper ... and got a free sun visor with a big logo "Die Burger"
[08:57] <RichEd> :)
[08:57] <Burgundavia> I see
[08:58] <Burgundavia> I have a "Happiness is a warm burger bun" hat
[08:58] <RichEd> spankin' :)
[09:01] <Burgundavia> TeePOG: this is why webmin got removed: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=webmin
[09:01] <TeePOG> *reading*
[09:01] <TeePOG> sheesh, ok
[09:15] <cbx33> ping RichEd
[09:16] <RichEd> Meester Cee Bee Exxx Thiryyyy Threeeee !
[09:18] <RichEd> cbx33: pong
[09:21] <cbx33> RichEd: did you want to meet today
[09:22] <RichEd> cbx33: how's your jsut past midday looking ?
[09:22] <cbx33> yeh should be cool
[09:39] <cbx33> ogra: !!!
[09:40] <cbx33> hey dude
[09:40] <cbx33> so I'm guessing we'll know by the end of the day about SCP and main ?
[09:40] <jsgotangco> did you make an inclusion report?
[09:40] <cbx33> yes
[09:40] <cbx33> and it's in the queue
[09:40] <cbx33> it's just waiting now :S
[09:41] <cbx33> I wish I'd have been able to get it in sooner
[09:41] <cbx33> :(
[09:41] <cbx33> but time was not on my side
[09:42] <jsgotangco> well it seems to be a nice addition to give it an exeception for further review
[09:42] <cbx33> do they do exceptions?
[09:43] <cbx33> I thought FF was FF !
[09:44] <jsgotangco> g-a-i used to have updates a week just before release of dapper
[09:44] <cbx33> ahhh
[09:44] <cbx33> so there is hope
[09:44] <jsgotangco> but that's because g-a-i is an integral part of the distribution
[09:47] <cbx33> yeh.....
[09:47] <cbx33> I suppose it would depend on how badly it was needed
[09:47] <cbx33> or wanted
[11:10] <cbx33> ping Seveas
[11:10] <Seveas> pong cbx33
[11:21] <tsurc> Anyone know how i can add a user on a NIS server to "fuse" and get a NIS client to reconise it.
[11:21] <tsurc> I'm having problems with LDA and NIS authenication
[11:35] <ogra> we dont support LDA yet (apart from edgy), are you running ubuntu ltsp or ltsp.org ltsp ?
[11:41] <tsurc> ltsp.org..... (sorry, but needs must)
[11:44] <ogra> i can only talk about ubutu muecow's LDA implementation which works quite differently (communicates through ssh etc) ... but i imagine just adding the user to the fuse group should suffice
[11:44] <ogra> is the fuse module loaded ?
[11:50] <RichEd> hi ogra ...
[11:50] <ogra> hm ...
[11:50] <ogra> doesnt look like we'll get the fully-automatic-swapwerver from rodrigo :/
[11:50] <ogra> *swapserver
[11:50] <RichEd> ogra: is the freeze in place ? will it help to send +evolution (mail & calendar) to laserjock ?
[11:51] <ogra> RichEd, FF is in place at 23:00 UTC
[11:51] <ogra> still plenty of time
[11:51] <RichEd> Yesterday people were debating wed or thu 23:00 ... thanx
[11:52] <cbx33> Sorry Seveas, I just got back to the office
[11:52] <ogra> my bigger prob is the swapserver stuff ... rodrigo didnt want to show me his code so i cant finish anything ... but we wont be able to enable local devices by default without it (it will fail on very lowend clients)
[11:52] <cbx33> ogra: :(
[11:52] <cbx33> Seveas: is there any documentation on the new usplash image format...like pallete entries if there are still pallete entries etc :p
[11:53] <ogra> i'm pondering a workaround but that will cost time and i need to review debian patches for ltsp as well :(
[11:53] <tsurc> tried adding a fuse group on the NIS server (making sure to give it the same gid as the app servers) and adding users to it.
[11:53] <cbx33> ogra: you're definitely gonna deserve tomorrow :p
[11:53] <tsurc> but it looks as if NIS is only transmiting the main group of the user
[11:54] <Seveas> cbx33, usplash-dev contains documentation
[11:54] <cbx33> ogra: jsgotangco said in the past things have been allowed to be exceptions to FF.... g-a-i for example, think that could be the case for SCP?
[11:54] <cbx33> :p
[11:54] <cbx33> Seveas: you're a legend thank you
[11:54] <ogra> cbx33, yes, but thats for features that are not started on feature freeze day :)
[11:54] <cbx33> hehe
[11:54] <Seveas> cbx33, usplash has changed since last upload though
[11:55] <tsurc> which means I will have to add the whole school to fuse on each of our app servers /etc/group file
[11:55] <cbx33> Seveas: I'm just gonna grab it now
[11:55] <ogra> what i would implement would totally differ from the spec
[11:55] <Seveas> so you'll need to re-read it for 0.4-18
[11:55] <cbx33> Seveas: that's fine....the current docs are good right?
[11:55] <pygi> highvoltage, poke poke?
[11:55] <Seveas> cbx33, almost -- there are some essentials missing
[11:55] <Seveas> will pastbin the latest
[11:55] <ogra> tsurc, well, thats surely easily scriptable ... but are you sure there is no way to make NIS supply other groups  ?
[11:56] <cbx33> thanks Seveas we're working onthe edubuntu usplash tonight
[11:57] <Seveas> cbx33, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22800
[11:57] <Seveas> multi-resolution themes ftw
[11:57] <tsurc> ogra: I know.. I really didn't want to have to do it like that if i can help it. If I create another user in 3 months It'll end up taking 10 mins instead of 2... ouch
[11:58] <ogra> there must be a way to supply more groups through nis ...
[11:58] <tsurc> ogra: plus NIS should be able to handle it! I just can't figure out why
[11:58] <cbx33> Seveas: ftw ?
[11:58] <ogra> for the world ?
[11:59] <Seveas> "for the win"
[11:59] <cbx33> ah
[11:59] <cbx33> ok
[11:59] <Seveas> "for teh win" actually
[12:00] <ogra> using the new ldm  ? wiht session selection ?
[12:00] <astecp> flip the walrus!
[12:00] <cbx33> ogra: what are our restrictions on the ldm login screen
[12:01] <ogra> cbx33, theme wise ?
[12:01] <cbx33> well...yeh if you want to call it a theme
[12:01] <cbx33> :)
[12:01] <cbx33> the wallpaper for the ldm login
[12:01] <ogra> only plain colors (no gradients) no fullscreen wallpaper
[12:01] <cbx33> is it an image?
[12:01] <ogra> the logo is
[12:02] <cbx33> i see
[12:02] <ogra> you can use transparency in the logo ... i.e. have a glowing effect ... but thas about it ... apart from that you can tweak 5 colors
[12:02] <cbx33> hehe
[12:02] <cbx33> ok
[12:02] <ogra> and the session/lang button images
[12:04] <cbx33> how is it put togther...?
[12:04] <cbx33> like gdm themes?
[12:05] <cbx33> hi jono
[12:05] <ogra> no
[12:05] <ogra> cbx33, have a look at /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/
[12:05] <cbx33> ok
[12:06] <cbx33> brb
[12:06] <cbx33> RichEd: one hour or two?
[12:06] <ogra> the colors file in the theme dirs are responsible for color schemes
[12:06] <ogra> you have:
[12:06] <ogra> frame_color = "#000000"
[12:06] <ogra> foreground = "#523921"
[12:06] <ogra> background = "#ffffde"
[12:06] <ogra> clockforeground = "#ffffff"
[12:06] <ogra> loginwin_color = "#f7ebd6"
[12:06] <RichEd> cbx33: 2 please ?
[12:06] <cbx33> RichEd: np
[12:06] <cbx33> thanks ogra
[12:06] <ogra> where clockforeground is ignored since we dont show the clock
[12:07] <cbx33> that's all I needed
[12:07] <ogra> if you exchange graphics, just make sure they have the same name
[12:07] <cbx33> of course
[12:07] <cbx33> are you going to handle packaging of artwork
[12:07] <ogra> background.png, icon-language.png, icon-session.png and shutdown.png
[12:07] <cbx33> of would you like me to have a stab
[12:07] <ogra> as you like
[12:08] <cbx33> ok
[12:09] <ogra> doesnt look like artwork will happen before FF anyway :)
[12:09] <cbx33> ogra: no it won't
[12:10] <cbx33> but we should have a good idea of what it will look like by the end of today....end of friday at latest
[12:10] <Seveas> cbx33, artwork packages need to depend on usplash-dev and they should not ship generated .c files
[12:10] <Seveas> (just a quick hint, that's not in the docs yet)
[12:11] <ogra> "generated .c files" ?
[12:11] <cbx33> you mean, you want the png
[12:40] <cbx33> morning Amaranth
[12:40] <Amaranth> ugh :P
[12:40] <Amaranth> too early :P
[12:46] <cbx33> howz willow
[12:50] <Seveas> ogra, theme sources ship .png and .bdg files. Theme binaries ship c-code generated from them. Sources don't ship the generated C code, but depend on usplash-dev
[12:51] <ogra> ah, i didnt know it generates .c files
[12:51] <cbx33> Seveas: that's cool - I'll make sure :D
[12:52] <cbx33> ogra: is our artwork pacakge up to date wrt the ubuntu one?
[12:52] <Seveas> cbx33, if you need help crating a theme, just poke me -- I'd also be happy to review the theme for "usplash correctness"
[12:52] <ogra> why should it ?
[12:52] <ogra> we dont care about ubuntu artwork at all, do we ?
[12:52] <cbx33> heh ok
[12:52] <cbx33> Seveas: you're a start
[12:52] <cbx33> thanks
[12:56] <tsurc> fyi I think I may have cracked it.. in the /etc/group file on the app server there is fuse just above + so anything looking to autenticate if a user is a member of the fuse group is matching with the local fuse group and not the NIS shared fuse group. Does that sound ok to anyone. Or is it a load of tosh
[01:35] <tsurc> well that didn't work then
[01:36] <tsurc> surely someone somewhere has got LDA  working with NIS
[01:53] <cbx33> ping RichEd
[01:53] <RichEd> baddapong cbx33
[01:53] <cbx33> 10 mins?
[01:54] <RichEd> 20 ... busy right now with charles email ... to you & jono ... will check back here in 10 ...
[01:54] <cbx33> ok 20 is fine
[01:55] <jono> :)
[02:00] <RichEd> cbx33 & jono ... proof reading now ... my 1 paragraph intro has grown into an essay :)
[02:01] <jono> :P
[02:09] <cbx33> oh dear !
[02:09] <RichEd> cbx33 & jono : you have mail
[02:09] <cbx33> okk
[02:10] <pygi> jono, lol, interesting blog post :)
[02:11] <RichEd> cbx33: will be ready for you in 10 mins
[02:11] <cbx33> ok
[02:11] <cbx33> jono: ROGET REDHAT
[02:11] <cbx33> BILLY BLUE HAT !
[02:12] <cbx33> ogra: do it
[02:12] <cbx33> do it
[02:12] <ogra> hmm
[02:12] <ogra> i'm not sure
[02:12] <cbx33> what are your reservations
[02:12] <cbx33> ?
[02:13] <ogra> its way safer than usual swap (100% userspace)
[02:13] <ogra> but it will only swapon from ldm ...
[02:14] <ogra> so we wouldnt gain anything to boot small clients ...
[02:14] <cbx33> hmmm
[02:14] <ogra> my target for the swapserver was to be able to boot 24Mb clients
[02:14] <ogra> instead of 48Mb
[02:14] <cbx33> it's still worth it
[02:14] <cbx33> it's an improvement....can still be tooted can't it!
[02:15] <cbx33> after all we're trying to prove how good we are :p
[02:15] <cbx33> Edubuntu Rocks and all that :p
[02:16] <jono> cbx33, :P
[02:16] <jono> RichEd, :)
[02:16] <cbx33> jono: I'm guessing you read those books too?
[02:17] <jono> cbx33, yep :)
[02:17] <cbx33> just outta interest how old are you?
[02:19] <jono> cbx33, 26 :)
[02:19] <jono> 27 in 10 days :)
[02:19] <cbx33> hehe
[02:20] <cbx33> jono: yours and mine are pretty close
[02:20] <jono> cool :)
[02:20] <cbx33> ogra: did you see my pm?
[02:20] <jono> cbx33, are you part of ubuntu-uk ?
[02:20] <cbx33> heheh
[02:20] <cbx33> no :p
[02:20] <cbx33> i don;t think so
[02:20] <cbx33> i guess I should be
[02:21] <jono> cbx33, I am keen for ubuntu-uk to be a strong LoCo team, and would be good to have you on board :)
[02:21] <cbx33> sure
[02:21] <jono> I am gonna get some lunch and a shower and catch up on the LoCo mails :)
[02:22] <cbx33> ok
[02:25] <pygi> highvoltage, you alive? :)
[02:26] <cbx33> ping RichEd
[02:26] <RichEd> pong cbx33
[02:42] <paolob> Hi guys! I'using dapper, and I have a problem with the students that work on the clients: sometimes, mistakenly, they exit the gnome session hibernating the server. Is it possible to remove this possibility? thank you
[02:42] <ogra> uninstall gnome-power-manager
[02:42] <ogra> i just fixed the bug in edgy 3h ago :)
[02:43] <paolob> ogra, thank you. what else does that imply?
[02:43] <ogra> for dapper uninstalling it is the easiest workaround for now
[02:43] <ogra> i will check how intrusive it is to backport it to dapper, but no promises
[02:44] <paolob> ogra, no, I meant what else does uninstalling gnome-power-manager imply?
[02:44] <ogra> unless you run a laptop as server it will do nothing
[02:45] <ogra> (well, it will disable hibernate/suspend on the server itself as well)
[02:45] <paolob> ogra, with gnome-power-manager it uninstall gnome-session too
[02:46] <ogra> you can also unset the can_hibernate/can_suspend gconf keys of gnome-power-manager for every user, but thats a lot of work
[02:46] <ogra> ugh, i didnt know seb128 made it a dependency
[02:46] <ogra> damned
[02:46] <paolob> ogra, I can't do that, I have about 500 users!
[02:47] <ogra> hrm
[02:47] <paolob> ogra, and if I dpkg -r gnome-power-manager? does it honour dependencies?
[02:48] <ogra> are you able to compile a package ? i have no dapper system around, but i think the patch i added to the edgy package today might apply to dapper
[02:49] <paolob> ogra, sorry, no :-(
[02:50] <cbx33> ogra: anything I can do?
[02:50] <paolob> ogra, dpkg -r --force-depends gnome-power-manager ?
[02:51] <ogra> no that will break
[02:51] <ogra> cbx33, do you have a dapper chroot/pbuilder ?
[02:51] <pygi> who wanna test libburn? :)
[02:52] <cbx33> ah actually no, but I can make one pretty quick
[02:52] <cbx33> I have a dapper machine ? that I'm on at the moment
[02:53] <ogra> cbx33, paolob has the old suspend/hibernate buttons are shown in thin client logout dialogs
[02:53] <ogra> problem
[02:53] <cbx33> hmmm
[02:53] <cbx33> if the power supply wasn't bust in it....I have a....oh hang on
[02:53] <cbx33> lemme try somthing
[02:53] <ogra> i added a patch to the edgy package today that fixes it ... but have no dapper chroot around and dont have the time to play with that atm
[02:54] <cbx33> ok
[02:54] <cbx33> I'll see if I can dig one out
[02:54] <ogra> if that patch applies to the dapper package that would help him ...
[02:55] <cbx33> hang on lemme try something
[02:55] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/70-suppress-pm-actions-on-ltsp.patch
[02:56] <cbx33> oh hell, why not
[02:56] <cbx33> gimme 2 secs guys
[02:56] <ogra> just drop that into the debian/patches dir of the dapper g-p-m source package and try a rebuild
[02:56] <cbx33> did you want me to test it too?
[02:56] <ogra> if you have that bug ... else i'd suggest paolob tests it ...
[02:57] <cbx33> so you wnt me to give paolob a .deb
[02:57] <ogra> if you dont raise the version number or anything, the next apt-get upgrade will remove it and replace it with the one from the archive so its easy to clean up if it doesnt work
[02:58] <cbx33> ah ok
[02:58] <ogra> cbx33, right
[02:58] <paolob> cbx33, It would be wonderful
[02:58] <cbx33> I have a dapper system on my laptop
[02:58] <cbx33> I'll just patch and build
[02:58] <ogra> exactly
[02:58] <paolob> cbx33, how long will it take?
[02:58] <ogra> its a quite trivial patch ...
[02:59] <ogra> but if the file its written for changed between the releases it wont apply
[02:59] <cbx33> paolob: hopefully just a few minutes
[02:59] <paolob> cbx33, ok, I'm waiting it. Thank yo!
[02:59] <paolob> s/yo/you/
[03:05] <cbx33> http://pastebin.ca/163340
[03:06] <cbx33> ogra that's the source package build
[03:08] <ogra> hmm, the patch applies fine
[03:09] <paolob> ogra, cbx33 I must go, I'll ask you later, thank you!
[03:09] <paolob> bye
[03:09] <ogra> cbx33, thanks ...
[03:09] <cbx33> np
[03:09] <RichEd> cbx33: mail sent  ... let me know when you have the spreadsheet open
[03:10] <cbx33> I'm just getting a dapper chroot
[03:10] <ogra> you would have to dpkg-buildpackage it with your key ...
[03:10] <cbx33> I'll pbuild it
[03:10] <cbx33> ogra: that package is odd.....has some strange permissions on it
[03:10] <cbx33> never seen that in a package before
[03:10] <ogra> you need to rebiuld the source package anyway
[03:10] <cbx33> yeh
[03:11] <ogra> else it will fail on the missing gpg key
[03:11] <cbx33> I didn't build with my key....did you actually want me to build the package? !
[03:11] <ogra> that test was fine already
[03:11] <ogra> since it seems not so urgent (paolob is gone) it can wait until i have time fiddling with dapper chroots
[03:11] <ogra> *time for
[03:11] <cbx33> ok
[03:12] <cbx33> sorry ogra
[03:12] <cbx33> heh !
[03:14] <RichEd> ping cbx33 : can you give me 10 mins of your time ?
[03:14] <RichEd> cbx33: then I'll update & refine and we can chat more later
[03:18] <RichEd> ping anyone ... am I alive in here ?
[03:19] <cbx33> RichEd: I'm here
[03:19] <RichEd> cool ... is the ss open ?
[03:19] <cbx33> just doing it
[03:19] <RichEd> okay ... off to window ...
[03:20] <highvoltage> my word
[03:21] <RichEd> no highvoltage "my Open Office Word Processor" ... get with the programme
[03:24] <highvoltage> :)
[03:24] <highvoltage> I missed pygi by only 8 minutes this time
[03:47] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:48] <cbx33> hi sbalneav
[03:53] <sbalneav> Hey cbx33
[03:55] <ogra> sbalneav, hey
[03:57] <pygi> hello ogra, sbalneav
[03:58] <sbalneav> ogra: hello!
[03:58] <ogra> sbalneav, what do you think: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ldm-swapon
[03:59] <sbalneav> Hey, last night, I got the ltsp-build-client to go....
[03:59] <sbalneav> but I had to comment out the linking of /proc/self/fd in 010-proc-mount in the plugins dir.
[03:59] <sbalneav> Hey pygi!  Sorry, been really busy here at work lately, but did you say yesterday you got libburn going over iscsi?
[04:00] <pygi> sbalneav, I erased and burner iso file on remote burner :)
[04:00] <pygi> burned*
[04:00] <sbalneav> Cool.
[04:00] <sbalneav> How'd you do it?
[04:00] <pygi> but that solution won't work for us, it requires some kernel stuff and thingy
[04:01] <pygi> we still need that userspace lib :)
[04:02] <sbalneav> Ah, that was my worry.
[04:02] <sbalneav> I had asked the other day, but I think you'd left already.
[04:03] <pygi> eh :-/
[04:03] <pygi> we must find someone to implement library like that :)
[04:04] <sbalneav> in cdrecord, there's an rscsi.c that implements some of that sort of stuff.  How "clean room" are you trying to be?  If we take some of that from the gpl'd version of cdrecord would that be ok? Or are you trying to be completely cdrecord-clean?
[04:04] <pygi> 1)completely clean from schily code
[04:05] <pygi> 2)We won't be implementing this directly into libburn anyway most probably
[04:05] <sbalneav> Sure, but as a basis for a separate library.
[04:05] <pygi> right, I'd be glad if we could go without schily :)
[04:05] <sbalneav> OK, well, we'll need to find a specification for the iSCSI protocol then, and see if we can implement it from there.
[04:06] <pygi> indeed, libuiscsi :)
[04:07] <pygi> I have yet to see userspace implementation of iscsi
[04:07] <pygi> and if it is doable, we might just be the first one to have it
[04:08] <pygi> I am sure a lot of people would like to see that
[04:11] <P3L|C4N0> greetings
[04:14] <pygi> sbalneav, you alive? :)
[04:14] <sbalneav> ogra: Ah, so you're enabling the swap after people log in?  Smart.
[04:14] <ogra> well, not really
[04:14] <sbalneav> pygi: yeah, sorry, 15 conversations going on.
[04:15] <pygi> sbalneav, ok, later then
[04:15] <ogra> sbalneav, but the best solution for the current situation
[04:17] <sbalneav> So, this is using a stock nbd-swap setup, and not mods to the swap server?
[04:18] <ogra> yep
[04:19] <ogra> its a bit odd, since it doesnt help to boot < 48M machines
[04:19] <ogra> but apart from that its way more beautiful than any other solution
[04:20] <sbalneav> It's certainly workable.  So the mods to the swap server will be for edgy+1?
[04:20] <ogra> right, thats the idea
[04:20] <ogra> so we do have *something* at least
[04:21] <cbx33> ogra: good decision bud !
[04:21] <ogra> localdev on an 48M macine will break i guess ...
[04:21] <ogra> (without any swap)
[04:21] <ogra> now the big question ...
[04:22] <ogra> do i enable it i our default lts.conf ?
[04:22] <cbx33> hmmm
[04:22] <cbx33> ogra: I'm gonna have to skoot in a while, are you going to poke pitti and seb128 later?
[04:22] <ogra> 10 clients will eat 320M on the servers disk
[04:22] <ogra> cbx33, yes
[04:22] <ogra> will do
[04:22] <cbx33> thanks ogra :D
[04:23] <sbalneav> ok, this would be the perfect place for a session_start and session_end script in ldm.  We'll want to spec that in for the next version as well.
[04:23] <cbx33> you're the best
[04:23] <ogra> sbalneav, nope
[04:23] <ogra> sbalneav, we dont want to swapoff ...
[04:24] <cbx33> ogra: just need to add that packaging bit to make it restart/reload dbus
[04:24] <ogra> sbalneav, imagine if something is in the swap and you just kill the nbd-server
[04:25] <sbalneav> hmmm.
[04:25] <sbalneav> Good point.
[04:25] <ogra> it will hardlock ...
[04:26] <ogra> hmm
[04:54] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:12] <_acesuares_> !seen riched
[05:12] <ubotu> RichEd is on IRC right now!
[05:12] <RichEd> _acesuares_: hello :)
[05:12] <_acesuares_> RichEd ? u there ?
[05:12] <_acesuares_> ah hi!
[05:13] <RichEd> yep ... let me read your email again ... give me a minute ...
[05:13] <_acesuares_> Had a chance to think about the seminar 4+5 oktober 2006  in Curacao ?
[05:13] <_acesuares_> !livecd
[05:13] <ubotu> Ubuntu Dapper 'Desktop' CD contains a Live CD (Ubuntu that runs straight off the CD and RAM) with an install option. Breezy's Live CD contained no install.
[05:14] <_acesuares_> !livecd edubuntu
[05:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about livecd edubuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:18] <RichEd> _acesuares_:  ping into pvt window
[05:19] <RichEd> hi LaserJock : final basic menu list sent today via email
[05:19] <LaserJock> mhm
[05:20] <acesuares> RichEd waht is that ping into pvt window
[05:20] <LaserJock> RichEd: it's longer than I had anticipated
[05:20] <LaserJock> ogra: pingo?
[05:20] <RichEd> feel free to trim it down with your laser
[05:22] <RichEd> acesuares:  in dialogue box ... question : hello ... okay to get my head straight ... you said netherland yesterday ... I said S America ... is Curacao a dutch colony in South America ?
[05:24] <LaserJock> RichEd: I put a package up for ogra and everybody to test at: http://chem.unr.edu/~mantha/edubuntu/
[05:24] <acesuares> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curaao
[05:24] <cbx33> hey everyone
[05:24] <acesuares> RichEd: there are mapos in the wikipedia.
[05:24] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[05:24] <acesuares> It's NOT south america (altough it's 70 km off the coast of Venzuela)
[05:24] <cbx33> Hey LaserJock
[05:25] <cbx33> I have something to show you
[05:25] <cbx33> give me a minute
[05:25] <cbx33> see if you laugh
[05:25] <acesuares> it's NOT a colony but a part of a seperate counter in the Kongdom of the Netherlands.
[05:25] <RichEd> Okay acesuares : I'll respond to the email with comments
[05:25] <acesuares> But apart from that, yes, it's a Colony of the netherlands in South America
[05:25] <acesuares> counter- country
[05:25] <acesuares> okay RichEd I'll wait.
[05:26] <RichEd> Thanks for the explanation ... I'm not being insensitive, just looking for broad brushstrokes now ... to get my bearings. Can drill into specifics later.
[05:26] <RichEd> As a quick response, the best bet will be one of our loco members ... A Local Community person who lives close by. We have no formal offices near you.
[05:26] <RichEd> I'll do some digging and mail you back with suggestions.
[05:27] <acesuares> RichEd, we will fly anyone in, if the budget permits.
[05:27] <acesuares> We would be happy with loco members but they need to be fluent in english or dutch
[05:27] <RichEd> Well that makes it easier. Thanks. Let me explore a bit.
[05:27] <acesuares> we do also speak spanish most of us so a spanish/english speaker can be okay
[05:28] <acesuares> Basically, I am the closest to the Local Community person you cna get - see http://www.luna.suares.an
[05:28] <acesuares> I also haver the priviliege to work together with a larger organisation who pays and organises the seminar.
[05:28] <acesuares> I am just trying to fill up the bit about Open Source end Free Software.
[05:29] <RichEd> I'll mail you a profile set of questions ... to get an idea of the audience and level. We'll look for the best fit in terms of getting results 1) comunicating a good understanding and 2) actions which can be carried forwards.
[05:30] <RichEd> In terms of "close relationships" or "similar commercial / education profile" what country or countrys are a good match ?
[05:30] <acesuares> This is a very difficult question.
[05:31] <RichEd> (I would like to understand hurdles for Open Source).
[05:31] <RichEd> I'll save it for the mail then.
[05:31] <acesuares> On one hand, we tend to get most educational material from the dutch
[05:31] <acesuares> however, we are far behind in hard3ware and IT acceptance.
[05:32] <acesuares> FOr instance, 27 Pentium I, 90 MHz on a school for 12-15 year people.
[05:32] <RichEd> That is not a bad thing :) A mature market usually has embedded forces that are difficult to change. A fresh market usually sees open source as a good proposition.
[05:32] <acesuares> On another level, we look at America - bachelor and masters degreess at the university/higher education
[05:32] <TeePOG> evening all
[05:33] <acesuares> The mentality is largely south american, the word 'manjana' has it's own connotation here
[05:33] <acesuares> Then there is also a large group of black poeple (the majority) who tends to be in the poorer demographics
[05:33] <RichEd> Okay ... I will bring another person into the conversation. Mauricio mhz from Chile. He speaks Spanish & English. He knows LAms School & University Education issues wel.
[05:33] <acesuares> so, the whole imagery and language for most dutch educational software does not represent local images
[05:34] <acesuares> Okay.
[05:34] <RichEd> He knows of many government programs ... if we can prepare conversation links for future relationships, we will have more success.
[05:34] <RichEd> Wait for the mail :) will be later tonight or tomorrow morning. (my time)
[05:35] <acesuares> Okay, anyway, we have no bearings with LAms Schools and University Education.
[05:35] <acesuares> Generally, I would not invite South American people to lecture, but I am not excluding anyone till I hear there story.
[05:35] <acesuares> It's just that for instance, if I tell the director of the school of a succesfullprject in Namibia (schoolnet)
[05:36] <acesuares> then the reaction is - ah that's namibia, where the people are poor
[05:36] <acesuares> tell me about a succesfull project in Europe or America, then I;ll listen
[05:36] <RichEd> comment: And I would not propose a person until we have an agreed fit.
[05:37] <acesuares> very racist people here, on that level. Not the common people, but the higher up the more tendency towards whiteness there is.
[05:37] <acesuares> Fortunately, the OS movement is not that racist and Edubuntu is Linux for 'people' >:-)
[05:37] <RichEd> Okay that is some good background for me to ask the right questions. Based on the fact that you could cover the cost of a visitor (reaonable low-budget) we can be flexbile.
[05:37] <pygi> !!!
[05:38] <acesuares> hi pygi !!!
[05:38] <pygi> hey ho
[05:38] <cbx33> hi pygi
[05:38] <acesuares> RichEd, I'll wait for your mail. Please don't forget or I'll come harassing you at IRC :-)
[05:39] <RichEd> I have some background in Racism :) past = aparthied South Africa and present = New South Africa with new eilte class and confused views about the future.
[05:39] <RichEd> So, I will be able to understand, and guide.
[05:39] <acesuares> RichEd: hey - that's good. Wasn't Sout Africa populated by Dutch Speaking individuals that supported apartheid, whiuch itself is a dutch word ?
[05:40] <acesuares> look at www.herensiadisklabitut.com for an exposition on slave trade and the consequences on our island...
[05:40] <acesuares> sse ya later, RichEd, gotta go now, I'll wait for the mail
[05:41] <RichEd> acesuares: That's about 20% of the story ... it is not an easy IRC topic ... but what is probably best to take away is that: We had probably the most embedded and entrenched set of racist laws in the world, which we have overcome peacefully.
[05:41] <RichEd> Lots of problems, but more success than failures.
[05:42] <highvoltage> 4
[05:42] <cbx33> ping ogra
[05:47] <pygi> highvoltage, poke, you have time?
[05:47] <highvoltage> pygi: yes :)
[05:47] <pygi> you on dapper?
[05:47] <highvoltage> pygi: I missed you by 8 minutes this afternoon!
[05:48] <pygi> ah :-/
[05:48] <pygi> highvoltage, are you on dapper or edgy?
[05:48] <highvoltage> edgy from about 2 weeks ago
[05:48] <pygi> ok, so now listen and execute :)
[05:49] <highvoltage> but i have an edubuntu knot 2 cd on my disk
[05:49] <highvoltage> that sounds dangerous :)
[05:49] <pygi> svn co http://libburn-svn.pykix.org
[05:49] <pygi> svn co http://libburn-svn.pykix.org libburn
[05:49] <pygi> (second one :P)
[05:49] <pygi> cd libburn/trunk
[05:49] <pygi> boostrap
[05:49] <pygi> ./configure --disable-static
[05:49] <pygi> make
[05:49] <pygi> sudo make install
[05:49] <pygi> once you are done with that, we'll continue :)
[05:50] <cbx33> Right I'm off to my windows machine to make some artwork
[05:50] <cbx33> bllleeeuuggghhh
[05:50] <highvoltage> pygi: ok. i'll ping you :)
[05:51] <pygi> highvoltage, oki :)
[06:04] <cbx33> *bah* damn windows update
[06:05] <cbx33> why did wine break so I can't use photoshop anymore
[06:06] <pygi> highvoltage, you done? :)
[06:07] <Amaranth> ogra: So, I have a package for willowng that works well except for the error pages, is it worth uploading?
[06:08] <ogra> Amaranth, sure
[06:08] <ogra> cbx33, pong
[06:08] <ogra> gah ... LaserJock is gone ..
[06:09] <pygi> highvoltage, poke, poke :P
[06:10] <ogra> Amaranth, what does "except for the error pages" mean ?
[06:10] <ogra> we dont have them at all ? the custom ones dont work ...
[06:10] <ogra> the html is broken ...
[06:10] <Amaranth> ogra: Instead of an error page for blocked stuff you get some weird header output
[06:10] <Amaranth> yeah
[06:10] <ogra> thats fine ...
[06:10] <ogra> its a bug ... :)
[06:11] <ogra> enough time to fix it if thats the only issue
[06:11] <ogra> what about bayesian ?
[06:11] <Amaranth> well, that and making that checkbox work
[06:11] <Amaranth> it gives you the broken error page too
[06:11] <ogra> well, thats only an iptables rule ...
[06:12] <Amaranth> oh, you want to do transparent proxying now?
[06:12] <ogra> no
[06:12] <ogra> i want to block port 80 and make it only useable by the willowng user ...
[06:12] <Amaranth> alright, then it's a hack for firefox that likely won't be accepted, debconf keys, gconf keys, and blocking port 80
[06:12] <Jon335> Hi guys, I just set Edubuntu up on a computer to help me teach my siblings about computers. Thanks alot!
[06:12] <ogra> Amaranth, no
[06:13] <ogra> Amaranth, i *only* want to do the iptables rule
[06:13] <Amaranth> ogra: Oh.
[06:13] <ogra> no tweaking of app settings
[06:13] <Amaranth> ogra: So you want to leave users to figure out how to make it work?
[06:13] <ogra> thats up to the admin
[06:13] <Amaranth> user==admin for a family computer
[06:13] <ogra> its written on the checkbox, isnt it ?
[06:14] <cbx33> ogra, LaserJock is looking for you
[06:14] <ogra> cbx33, yes, i saw that
[06:14] <cbx33> he has written the edubuntu pacakge
[06:14] <cbx33> for menus
[06:14] <ogra> i wonder why he doesnt upload it
[06:14] <cbx33> to universe?
[06:14] <ogra> we'll need it anyway at some point
[06:14] <ogra> sure
[06:14] <cbx33> I told him to do that
[06:15] <cbx33> any news from pitti/seb128 ?
[06:15] <ogra> nope
[06:15] <Amaranth> ogra: I don't see how setting it up automatically can hurt though.
[06:15] <ogra> Amaranth, youre touching user settings ...
[06:16] <ogra> thats not nice ...
[06:16] <Amaranth> no i'm not, i'm touching system settings
[06:16] <Amaranth> i can do firefox without touching the user profile
[06:16] <Amaranth> thus "hack"
[06:16] <ogra> could you ask iwj what he thinks about it ? he's the firefox guy
[06:17] <Amaranth> alright
[06:19] <cbx33> ogra: what were you saying about touching a file to restart dbus?
[06:19] <ogra> there is something you can touch like /var/run/reboot_required
[06:19] <ogra> look at other ackages that use dbus ...
[06:20] <cbx33> ahh ok
[06:20] <cbx33> thanks ogra
[06:25] <ogra> LaserJock, pong
[06:25] <ogra> why dont you just upload it =
[06:25] <ogra> ?
[06:25] <LaserJock> ogra: hi
[06:25] <LaserJock> ogra: I wanted another MOTU to check it out first
[06:26] <LaserJock> it's not a big complicated package I suppose
[06:26] <ogra> it will go through NEW anyway ... you will have an archive admin checking it ;)
[06:26] <LaserJock> ok, uploading then :-0
[06:27] <LaserJock> :-) rather
[06:27] <pygi> highvoltage, I'll eat you if you don't respond soon :)
[06:28] <highvoltage> pygi: pong pong!!!
[06:28] <LaserJock> ogra: do you want it in Main for Edgy?
[06:28] <pygi> highvoltage, so are you done with the above steps? :)
[06:28] <highvoltage> pygi: my connection is seriously dodgy, seems like it is at it's worst this time of day
[06:29] <ogra> LaserJock, lets see
[06:29] <highvoltage> pygi: not yet, struggling a bit with my e-mail first
[06:29] <pygi> ahm,oki then :)
[06:29] <ogra> LaserJock, i dont think pitti has time for MIRs
[06:29] <LaserJock> ogra: yeah, that's what I kinda figured
[06:29] <ogra> so only if we get approval to move it after FF
[06:30] <pygi> highvoltage, just poke me if you are done in the next 80 years or so :P
[06:30] <ogra> but having it in the archive wont hurt at all
[06:30] <Amaranth> ogra: http://dev.realistanew.com/releases/willowng/0.3/deb-src
[06:30] <LaserJock> ok, I'm fine either way, it isn't a "killer" app quite yet, but I think it would work better installed by default
[06:30] <LaserJock> :-)
[06:31] <Amaranth> LaserJock: what is it?
[06:32] <LaserJock> edubuntu-menus
[06:32] <LaserJock> if we can put some menu-editing front-end to it it will be much better
[06:32] <Amaranth> ah :)
[06:32] <cbx33> LaserJock don;t forget me :p
[06:33] <Amaranth> did you ever figure out how to work out of the problem i explained or did you decide it was Somebody Else's Problem? :)
[06:33] <LaserJock> Amaranth: which problem?
[06:33] <Amaranth> the fun merging
[06:33] <sbalneav> Ahh, SEP.
[06:33] <ogra> Amaranth, uploaded
[06:33] <cbx33> I prefer, NMP
[06:33] <cbx33> Not My Problem
[06:34] <Amaranth> merging the student and teacher menus, for example
[06:34] <cbx33> ogra this wallpaper is progressing nicely
[06:34] <LaserJock> Amaranth: well, it turns out that xdg works pretty well
[06:34] <cbx33> :)
[06:34] <Amaranth> (along with merging user changes)
[06:34] <ogra> Amaranth, btw, now that you got some money from SoC to be able to travel, how about getting you key signed :P
[06:34] <Amaranth> ogra: hehe, i'm broke :P
[06:34] <ogra> haha
[06:34] <Amaranth> two weeks or so i should get more
[06:34] <cbx33> you just got SoC...:p
[06:34] <ogra> there is still money to come ...
[06:34] <Amaranth> yeah
[06:34] <cbx33> hehe
[06:35] <LaserJock> Amaranth: for menu groups I set $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS to /usr/share/edubuntu/menus/
[06:35] <Amaranth> cbx33: I was pretty far behind on bills and junk, $2500 goes fast
[06:35] <LaserJock> Amaranth: which is just an applications.menu that has a <MergeDIR>
[06:35] <cbx33> tell me about it
[06:35] <cbx33> my wage just covers living
[06:35] <cbx33> for my wife and I
[06:35] <Amaranth> oh, and i went clothes shopping
[06:35] <LaserJock> Amaranth: that is my dentist bill :(
[06:35] <cbx33> heheheh
[06:35] <Amaranth> and i _enjoyed_ it, something is wrong
[06:35] <cbx33> Amaranth that is wrong
[06:36] <cbx33> what's up ogra?
[06:36] <ogra> sbalneav, any idea how to get a proper ps output from the ssh socket ?
[06:37] <ogra> seems if i run the script i dont see all processes
[06:37] <Amaranth> i need to stop growing, it sucks having all your pants be too short for you after a year
[06:37] <sbalneav> reaaaaaly?
[06:37] <sbalneav> Wow, I haven't seen that.
[06:37] <sbalneav> Let me try.
[06:37] <ogra> i just wanted to add a check if an nbd-server is running for the specific port/ip
[06:37] <cbx33> Amaranth - I can imagine that :p
[06:37] <ogra> running it from commandline on the client is fine
[06:37] <sbalneav> gimme 2 shakes
[06:38] <ogra> but as soon as i do "ps ax|grep nbd-server" from a script i dont get the other users processes
[06:38] <highvoltage> sbalneav: you remind me of a good charlotte song
[06:38] <sbalneav> oohhh, don't use ax
[06:38] <sbalneav> use -ef
[06:38] <ogra> doesnt work either
[06:38] <sbalneav> wierd
[06:38] <sbalneav> What about netstat -anp?
[06:39] <ogra> i'm through all px options ...
[06:39] <Amaranth> does feature freeze apply to universe too?
[06:39] <sbalneav> gimme a sec, gotta set it up...
[06:39] <ogra> sbalneav, lsof doesnt even work for foreign files
[06:39] <sbalneav> wow
[06:41] <ogra> netstat complains in the header already
[06:41] <ogra> remember i run as user
[06:45] <sbalneav> ?!?!?!  Works for me.
[06:46] <sbalneav> Now, I'm not doing this from a terminal
[06:46] <sbalneav> Just between 2 machines.
[06:48] <ogra> right
[06:48] <TeePOG> hi agin
[06:48] <ogra> that works fine here as well
[06:48] <TeePOG> hi again*
[06:51] <TeePOG> ogra, you'll be pleased to know that I have a much happier system than yesterday
[06:52] <TeePOG> just one last thing: how do you make the LTSP desktop use a specific resolution? 800x600 to be exact
[06:53] <sbalneav> ogra: So, I wonder what's different between a TERMINAL doing the ssh, and a regular user doing it.
[06:53] <sbalneav> Something in /etc/ssh/ssh_config on the terminal, maybe?
[06:58] <ogra> hmm
[06:59] <ogra> seems netstat works, even it complains loud
[07:09] <ogra> sbalneav, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ldm-swapon got it ...
[07:09] <ogra> this way it works and doesnt spawn new servers over and over :)
[07:33] <cbx33> ogra :D
[07:33] <cbx33> ping LaserJock
[07:33] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[07:34] <cbx33> did you get my pm
[07:34] <cbx33> about benzene>
[07:34] <cbx33> :p
[07:34] <LaserJock> yeah, I think you are talking about naphthalene
[07:34] <cbx33> cool
[07:34] <LaserJock> or maybe anthracene
[07:34] <cbx33> what about aspartame ?
[07:34] <cbx33> heheh
[07:34] <cbx33> I'm j/k
[07:45] <cbx33> hehe
[07:45] <cbx33> top search strings for my site
[07:45] <cbx33> 1 4 6.45% how to use gisomount
[07:46] <LaserJock> cbx33: http://chem.unr.edu/~mantha/edubuntu/caffeine.gif
[07:46] <LaserJock> cbx33: or do you want bigger?
[07:47] <cbx33> oooh
[07:47] <cbx33> are those bonds just floating?
[07:47] <cbx33> off the N atoms?
[07:47] <LaserJock> well, it's actually a CH3 at the end of them
[07:47] <cbx33> could.....could you possibly add that?
[07:48] <LaserJock> we don't usually include the C and H atoms explicitly
[07:48] <cbx33> I know....but for effects sake...it'd look cool make the molecule a little more complex
[07:48] <cbx33> and if you could make the image a little larger that'd be great
[07:49] <LaserJock> cbx33: reload
[07:49] <cbx33> oooh
[07:49] <cbx33> much better
[07:49] <cbx33> do you ever expand the CH3 into a diagram at the end?
[07:49] <LaserJock> I could do a wonderful opengl rendering of it in 3D too, but ...
[07:49] <cbx33> hehehe
[07:50] <LaserJock> cbx33: you can do like http://www.sdsc.edu/discovery/chem-act/caffeine.html
[07:50] <LaserJock> but that gets kinda messy
[07:51] <cbx33> oooh
[07:51] <cbx33> could we do that.....pretty please
[07:51] <cbx33> would fill the gap I have a little better
[07:51] <cbx33> whats the diff between CH3 and H3C
[07:52] <LaserJock> well, you do that so it's clear that the bond is to the C
[07:52] <cbx33> ok
[07:53] <LaserJock> cbx33: here's one from my own research http://chem.unr.edu/~mantha/edubuntu/bromoBIPS.gif
[07:54] <cbx33> oooh
[07:54] <cbx33> can I have that one?
[07:54] <LaserJock> yes
[07:57] <LaserJock> cbx33: reload the caffeine one
[07:58] <LaserJock> cbx33: that's how we would draw it fully
[07:59] <LaserJock> cbx33: and those are just .gifs to show you, I can do better quality I think too if you want
[08:00] <sbalneav> ogra: Sexy!
[08:15] <ogra> 30 lines of beauty :)
[08:16] <ogra> this socket was the best we ever added ... i owe you a barrel of beer fo pushing for it :)
[08:28] <cbx33> oooh LaserJock I like that
[08:28] <cbx33> I'll bookmark that
[08:28] <cbx33> we have to pop out but we'll be back
[08:29] <cbx33> 5.5 hours till FF ?
[08:29] <LaserJock> cbx33: let me know what you need
[08:29] <cbx33> am I right?
[08:29] <LaserJock> hmm, Kamion said 4 hrs, 30 min ago in -devel
[08:29] <TeePOG> erm... FF?
[08:29] <cbx33> LaserJockthose are fine
[08:30] <LaserJock> TeePOG: Feature Freeze
[08:30] <LaserJock> TeePOG: the point at which we stop taking in new features and start focusing on bug fixing and stability
[08:32] <TeePOG> ohhhh ok, I thought a new version of Firefox had passed me by... </n00b idiocy>
[08:32] <LaserJock> heh, np
[08:35] <TeePOG> anyway, just thought I'd mention: I have Edubuntu LTSP booting successfully in a VMWare Player window on my Windows desktop. The system is a contented tent dweller :-D
[08:35] <LaserJock> :-)
[08:35] <cbx33> nice TeePOG
[08:35] <cbx33> now switch it
[08:36] <cbx33> put windows in the VM :D
[08:36] <TeePOG> lol, did that already... Windows, PC-BSD, and [when the torrent is done]  OS X 10.4.6
[08:37] <sbalneav> What, has apple torrented OS X?
[08:37] <TeePOG> erm... oops, was that out loud?
[08:37] <TeePOG> ;-]
[08:37] <TeePOG> more precisely, OSx86
[08:37] <cbx33> :0
[08:38] <TeePOG> we're getting a whole network of Intel iMacs! I'll need to admin them
[08:38] <TeePOG> and not getting ANOTHER server just for that
[08:39] <TeePOG> i am buying a legal copy as well
[08:39] <TeePOG> so there :-P
[08:39] <LaserJock> just put Ubuntu on the iMacs ;-)
[08:39] <TeePOG> i wish, the designers want OS X for all the nice proggies :-(
[08:40] <TeePOG> anyway, is there a kernel out for the Core Duo yet?
[08:40] <cbx33> bbl guys
[08:40] <TeePOG> ciao cbx33
[08:41] <LaserJock> TeePOG: kernel?
[08:42] <TeePOG> or does it use the i386 / 686-smp kernel?
[08:42] <TeePOG> i have not really had a Core Duo to play wiff
[08:43] <TeePOG> i profess my ignorance
[08:43] <TeePOG> hmm
[08:44] <TeePOG> i profess my leaving as well, it's late
[08:44] <TeePOG> ciao guys
[08:44] <TeePOG> thanks for all the help
[10:08] <_acesuares> !seen ogra
[10:08] <ubotu> I last saw ogra (n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra) 6m 39s ago, quiting: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
[10:10] <Petaris> later all
[10:10] <cbx33> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-September/005146.html :D
[10:11] <cbx33> brb
[10:12] <LaserJock> cbx33: yeah, somebody already commented on it I think
[10:13] <cbx33> heheh
[10:13] <cbx33> good or bad ?
[10:13] <cbx33> :p
[10:13] <cbx33> ogra_ any news?
[10:13] <LaserJock> cbx33: "ivoks: i could listen new edgy sounds whole day"
[10:13] <cbx33> :)
[10:13] <cbx33> wow cool
[10:14] <LaserJock> not sure if he meant the new login sounds, but I would assume so
[10:21] <cbx33> heheh
[10:21] <cbx33> are there other new sounds?
[10:21] <cbx33> :p
[10:39] <Amaranth> cbx33: they are awesome
[10:39] <Amaranth> but perhaps a bit long
[10:41] <LaserJock> Amaranth: hehe, you just need a slower machine
[10:41] <Amaranth> yeah... :P
[10:46] <Amaranth> XGL/compiz memory leak, brb
[10:48] <cbx33> they may be a little long for edgy
[10:48] <cbx33> not tried
[10:48] <cbx33> perfect for dapper on an AMD64 machine
[10:52] <Amaranth> cbx33: I get back to gdm in about 1 second, how long is the logout sound? :P
[11:02] <cbx33> aww shucks
[11:02] <cbx33> sorry Amaranth
[11:05] <cbx33> about 6-7 secs i think :p
[11:06] <cbx33> I'm hoping to get a shiny new sound card to rerecord them
[11:07] <cbx33> LaserJock you still around bud?
[11:07] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:12] <hareem> ok how can i start gproftpd from the shell. what is the command
[11:13] <LaserJock> gksudo gproftpd
[11:14] <hareem> doesnt work laser
[11:16] <LaserJock> hareem: are you getting an error message?
[11:17] <hareem> no
[11:17] <hareem> i installed the prepacked file for gproftpd
[11:19] <LaserJock> does gproftpd start up?
[11:19] <hareem> no
[11:22] <hareem> so what should i do
[11:23] <LaserJock> hmm, it's odd that gproftpd doesn't start up
[11:24] <LaserJock> but I would have just installed vsftpd
[11:28] <hareem> i know. But i need a gui based ftp server
[11:28] <LaserJock> well, but the GUI isn't working
[11:28] <LaserJock> vsftpd is pretty to set up from what I've read
[11:29] <cbx33> http://progbox.co.uk/EduWIP1.jpg
[11:30] <LaserJock> cbx33: I like it, it kinda seems bottom heavy
[11:30] <cbx33> yeh
[11:30] <cbx33> to leave room for icons
[11:30] <cbx33> but i know what you mean
[11:30] <LaserJock> people put icons on the top?
[11:30] <cbx33> yup
[11:31] <LaserJock> hmm, I do the side or bottom mostly
[11:32] <cbx33> heheh
[11:34] <LaserJock> people are weird creatures for sure :-)
[11:34] <LaserJock> cbx33: well, the background would kill my eyes but I think it looks great
[11:34] <cbx33> heheh
[11:34] <cbx33> ogra_ you around old buddy old pal?
[11:35] <cbx33> http://progbox.co.uk/EduWIP2.jpg
[11:35] <LaserJock> oh, that's nice
[11:35] <LaserJock> but my molecule left :(
[11:35] <LaserJock> oh well
[11:36] <Burgwork> cbx33, too much english text, but otherwise I like it
[11:37] <LaserJock> Burgwork: interesting point
[11:37] <cbx33> LaserJock refresh it
[11:38] <cbx33> heh...
[11:38] <cbx33> Burgworkwe can change that
[11:38] <cbx33> it's a concept
[11:38] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't know, the first one does look cleaner
[11:38] <cbx33> as opposed to a fully fledged idea
[11:38] <LaserJock> is that SCP code?
[11:38] <cbx33> yeh...
[11:38] <cbx33> the plugin handler
[11:39] <LaserJock> did you ask the permission of the author? ;-)
[11:39] <cbx33> ummm....oh shute no I forgot..
[11:39] <cbx33> lemme just ask
[11:40] <LaserJock> heh
[11:40] <cbx33> he said no
[11:40] <cbx33> damn !
[11:40] <LaserJock> lol
[11:41] <_acesuares_> !SEEN OGRA
[11:41] <ubotu> I last saw ogra (n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra) 1h 39m 45s ago, quiting: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
[11:42] <cbx33> brb
[11:45] <LaserJock> cbx33: heh, you want to know the full name of that molecule?
[11:45] <cbx33> yeh
[11:45] <cbx33> sure !
[11:45] <LaserJock> cbx33: 6,8-dibromo-1,3-dihydro-1,3,3-trimethyspiro[2H -1-benzopyran-2,2-(2H )-indole]
[11:45] <cbx33> I do like telling people what PTFE stands for
[11:46] <cbx33> LaserJock, ok...you got a common name for that
[11:46] <cbx33> like polytetrafluraethelyene ?
[11:46] <cbx33> is that spelt right :p
[11:46] <LaserJock> I call it 6,8-dibromoBIPS
[11:46] <LaserJock> s/flura/fluro/ I believe
[11:46] <cbx33> ah
[11:46] <cbx33> close
[11:47] <cbx33> hey jono
[11:48] <cbx33> I sure hope edgy wine runs photoshop
[11:48] <jono> hey cbx33
[11:48] <cbx33> else I'll be miffed :p
[11:48] <LaserJock> heh
[11:48] <LaserJock> cbx33: no gimp for you?
[11:48] <cbx33> gimp is ok
[11:48] <cbx33> but without adjustment layers it's of little use to me
[11:49] <LaserJock> I can't use either really
[12:01] <cbx33> LaserJock, you have PS?
[12:01] <LaserJock> PS?
[12:01] <cbx33> PhotoShop !
[12:02] <LaserJock> oh, I used too, I have a great uncle that works for a publishing company just down the street from Adobe
[12:02] <LaserJock> he used to send me beta cds that Adobe would send to them
[12:02] <cbx33> jono, Johnny and Jennifer Yellow-hat
[12:02] <cbx33> cool
[12:03] <jono> cbx33, haha
[12:03] <jono> :P
[12:05] <Burgwork> jono!
[12:06] <jono> hey Burgwork :)


[00:05] <loswedseded> I thought sudo made me root
[00:05] <loswedseded> apparently not, how do I become root?
[00:06] <noobie519> sudo -i
[00:06] <noobie519> is what i usually do.. i am just a novice though, maybe wait for an expert
[00:06] <oerheks> for a root session, yes
[00:07] <loswedseded> so, sudo -i thunar?
[00:07] <oerheks> no
[00:07] <noobie519> sudo -i opens a root shell
[00:07] <noobie519> elevated shell
[00:07] <oerheks> sudo -i # enter
[00:07] <oerheks> then thunar ..
[00:08] <loswedseded> thanks
[00:08] <cnnx> whats type of program would benefit from a 60GB ram disk? I have s spare 2700x amd computer with 64gb dr4 doing nothing under my desk
[00:08] <oerheks> or use a thunar plugin https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/custom-actions
[00:08] <jeremy31> Maybe pkexec thunar
[00:08] <oerheks> cnnx, ubuntu takes ~ 20 gb, have fun
[00:09] <cnnx> oerheks: how can I load the whole OS on it
[00:09] <oerheks> or play with ubuntu server?
[00:09] <oerheks> cnnx, just boot the iso and install?
[00:10] <cnnx> I thought about hosting differnt services but its my home line and i work from home for a company
[00:10] <cnnx> so im not sure about offering server services
[00:10] <cnnx> oerheks: I would have to create the ram disk at the shelel first
[00:10] <cnnx> shell
[00:10] <oerheks> put the iso on usb?
[00:10] <oerheks> !usb
[00:10] <cnnx> cool
[00:11] <cnnx> then all i NEED is a fairly large UPS
[00:11] <cnnx> so if power goes out i dont lose data
[00:11] <cnnx> can we tell the difference in speed from ssd and RAM these days?
[00:12] <loswedseded> why can't i delete a snap directory with thunar as root?
[00:12] <loswedseded> I should be able...
[00:12] <cnnx> tried apt-get remove?
[00:12] <loswedseded> apt get is for apt
[00:12] <cnnx> ok snap is snaap
[00:12] <cnnx> you're right
[00:13] <oerheks> ubuntu uses some snaps as core..
[00:13] <oerheks> so, good luck
[00:13] <cnnx> snap is just another package manager?
[00:13] <loswedseded> yt-dlp as core... not probable
[00:13] <oerheks> snap list # gives all snaps
[00:13] <loswedseded> installed or available?
[00:13] <cnnx> so like an overlay, kind of like installing bluestacks on windows
[00:14] <oerheks> try it
[00:14] <cnnx> im on mac
[00:17] <noobie519> hey jkc , thanks for name calling and then turning on +g mode so you can't hear me ask why?    There's no winning an online pissing contest.
[01:43] <oerheks> sorted out in #libera, he ranted in multiple channels, it did not happen here
[02:36] <Square> How dependent is steam on Gnome?
[02:36] <Square> "Steam".
[02:37] <Square> I was wondering if I should install I3. Maybe side by side?
[02:40] <Square> Oh, i3 is x11. That's not too appealing
[02:41] <Square> Really I would like to try out "Sway". Above blabber would be to prepare for that.
[02:42] <lotuspsychje> Square: think you maybe like more #ubuntu-discuss to chitchat about de's ?
[02:42] <Square> ok
[05:50] <webchat40> Hey, how do I use the pinch to zoom feature on ubuntu, and I would like it to be as seamless as the Windows pinch to zoom.
[05:50] <webchat40> I tried using fusuma and Ctrl + two finger silde, but it is not that great.
[06:07] <oerheks> webchat40, this page might be your help too https://wiringbits.net/accessibility/2022/12/05/macos-like-pinch-to-zoom-on-ubuntu-22-04.html
[06:09] <oerheks> and for browsers https://devicetests.com/enable-pinch-zoom-browsers-ubuntu-wayland
[06:29] <webchat40> Thank you oerheks, it will really help.
[06:29] <webchat40> I also had a doubt regarding application installation.
[06:29] <webchat40> I tried installing PyCharm
[06:30] <webchat40> I downloaded the file from the official website
[06:30] <webchat40> and executed the pycharm.sh file in the bin folder
[06:31] <webchat40> but, it looks like everytime I want to use pycharm, I need to go to the folder to which I have extracted the files and then to the bin folder and then execute the same file
[06:33] <oerheks> oh, there are 3 pycharm versions in softwarecenter
[06:33] <oerheks> community, professional and edu
[06:33] <oerheks> https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-pycharm-on-ubuntu-20-04-linux-desktop
[06:34] <oerheks> also for 22.04 and up
[06:35] <webchat40> Oh okay, but say I need to download an application through the web by extracting it and so on, is there anything that specifically has to be done to create such a shortcut?
[06:40] <webchat40> By the way, really appreciate your help oerheks. Thank you.
[06:40] <oerheks> if you know the location, there is a simple app for that https://snapcraft.io/install/make-launcher/ubuntu
[06:41] <oerheks> or manually; https://askubuntu.com/questions/1428517/how-do-i-create-a-new-application-launcher-in-ubuntu-22-04
[06:42] <webchat40> Thanks, I also tried to create a "link" to the .sh file and then put it on the desktop
[06:42] <webchat40> It runs fine, until I power off
[06:43] <oerheks> that should work too.
[06:43] <oerheks> have fun!
[06:43] <webchat40> Once I turn off the laptop and then turn it on, then it does not work
[06:43] <webchat40> It says something like link is broken
[06:45] <webchat40> I don't know if it is a conflict between my two OS's.
[06:45] <oerheks> i think you should extract such manual programs to /opt/, the place for undefined programms
[06:45] <oerheks> basicly
[06:45] <webchat40> oh, I'll try
[06:46] <webchat40> And then again create a link?
[06:47] <oerheks> yes :-)
[06:47] <webchat40> okay, thank you
[07:53] <kerxphilox> Any suggestions on how to configure and start vino-server (the ubuntu vnc server) from the CLI?
[08:58] <tarel2> I used Ubuntu to set up my system and it make grub menu that has Ubuntu as the first and then it has Gentoo ,but the grub config file looks pretty bare ,  Where is the real menu file ? The one that says  Ubuntu as first and then Gentoo
[08:59] <Snuupy> hmm, strange - I think I have both nmcli and netplan active and they keep overwriting each other.
[09:00] <Snuupy> I thought the default networking behavior of ubuntu was to prioritize ethernet over wifi
[09:00] <Snuupy> for some reason, after some time it will revert back to the wifi connection and I have to manually "netplan apply" every time
[09:00] <Snuupy> what's going on?
[09:01] <Snuupy> should I be using networkmanager or netplan for ubuntu server?
[09:08] <Snuupy> maybe I can just apt remove network-manager
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> Snuupy: you can visit #ubuntu-server if you like for deeper netplan questions
[09:24] <Snuupy> thanks lotuspsychje
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> Snuupy: as its sunday today, things might be a bit slower
[09:24] <Mechanismus> ugh ufw is driving me batty
[09:25] <Snuupy> I don't think I have deeper netplan questions, my netplan config works and is simple - just use dhcp on the ethernet interface and a wlan connection on the wireless interface
[09:25] <Snuupy> I think networkmanager for some reason was also installed and I just had to remove it
[09:25] <Snuupy> I'll see in a few hours or a day if it's still messed up
[11:11] <mko_> anyone used this tool https://github.com/a13xp0p0v/kconfig-hardened-check/, should I trust it?
[11:54] <drzacek> Hello there.
[11:55] <drzacek> noob *buntu user here, hello. I have a question: I just installed my system and when setting it up, I encountered stuff like "snap", "flatpak" and "appimage".
[11:55] <drzacek> So I understand those are different ways of distributing software independently from apt or other distro package managers
[11:56] <drzacek> anyways, so my question is - how can I put those appimages (and other programs/scripts, like the one I wrote myself) to the runners (alt+f2 menu)?
[11:56] <drzacek> in console it's easy, I either modify the PATH or put the programs to directory that already is in PATH, but with those GUI runners? Not sure where they look for things
[12:30] <xbox> hi
[12:31] <xbox> hi
[12:33] <xbox> hi
[12:35] <terminaldweller> xbox: hello
[12:36] <xbox> hello
[12:37] <terminaldweller> how can we help you xbox? :)
[12:39] <xbox> my system is broken please help me
[12:40] <terminaldweller> this is a support channel. that's what this is for. but we're going to need more info than your system being broken. ;)
[12:41] <terminaldweller> explain exactly how it is broken. if you have logs, put in them in a pastebin and link that here. someone will get back to you.
[12:43] <xbox> i accidentally deleted my flash
[12:45] <terminaldweller> your flash? you mean the MB flash?
[12:46] <xbox> with main system now get error e79
[12:47] <xbox> and sometimes green light but no screeb
[12:48] <xbox> screen
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> xbox: can you still enter your ubuntu's grub at boot?
[12:51] <xbox> throught xell reloaded
[12:53] <vcxza> hello, which is the easier way to share a directory on my ubuntu os with a windows machine on line?
[12:53] <vcxza> (the easiest)
[12:54] <vcxza> hello, which is the easiest (few or 0 configuration stuff) way to share a directory on my ubuntu os with a windows machine on LAN?
[12:54] <terminaldweller> python -m http.server?
[12:56] <vcxza> terminaldweller: I need that the windows machine can upload files to the linux dir
[13:01] <terminaldweller> i've only done that with windows with samba. its not zero config but if you've done it before its fairly straightforward. i dont have a better option. sorry.
[13:02] <vcxza> terminaldweller: yeah, I was thinking on samba, but it's config is pretty awkward
[13:02] <xbox> goodbye
[13:19] <linux> Hi
[13:45] <jhutchins> terminaldweller: It can be done with NFS, but at least the older versions have user ID and file owner issues.
[14:21] <vcxza>  hello, which is the easier way to share a directory on my ubuntu os with a windows machine on line? Samba installation is ugly and buggy, is there an alternative?
[14:22] <jhutchins> vcxza: It can be done with NFS, but at least the older versions have user ID and file owner issues.
[14:22] <jhutchins> vcxza: Samba is the way to do it.  I've never had troubles with bugs.
[14:22] <leftyfb> vcxza: cifs is the easiest and fastest way
[14:23] <wkmango> Samba for sure. Gnome has the webdav stuff by default if you want to try that too
[14:23] <vcxza> leftyfb: I'm using lubunt
[14:23] <vcxza> lubuntu
[14:23] <leftyfb> vcxza: irrelevant
[14:23] <vcxza> leftyfb: which GUI app can I use to set a shared dir?
[14:25] <leftyfb> vcxza: I don't know. I don't use the GUI for such things
[14:25] <vcxza> leftyfb: does cifs use samba?
[14:26] <leftyfb> CIFS is the successor protocol to SMB
[14:26] <vcxza> leftyfb: so, I have basically to do "mount cifs somedir" ?
[14:27] <leftyfb> vcxza: I thought you were trying to share a directory on ubuntu with Windows
[14:28] <vcxza> leftyfb: yes
[14:28] <vcxza> so, which command do I have to execute for sharing it?
[14:28] <leftyfb> vcxza: https://mirrormirage0.medium.com/make-a-folder-on-lubuntu-18-04-accessible-on-windows-machine-local-network-bc180ea9a2d5
[14:29] <leftyfb> vcxza: https://www.fosslinux.com/111128/how-to-create-shared-folders-on-ubuntu-for-windows-users.htm  this is the first result on google for "ubuntu share directory with windows"
[14:31] <vcxza> leftyfb: they are buggy and outdated guides. I tried the samba method and it throws "permission denied" errors
[14:32] <leftyfb> vcxza: they are not buggy or outdated guides. The 2nd link I gave you is from 4 months ago
[14:32] <leftyfb> vcxza: if you are getting permission denied errors, then something is wrong and you need to troubleshoot
[14:32] <vcxza> leftyfb: let's try again samba
[14:33] <leftyfb> vcxza: also, what version of Windows?
[14:33] <vcxza> leftyfb: I think 10
[14:33] <leftyfb> you might want to verify that, it matters
[14:37] <vcxza> leftyfb: the problem is: which samba client can I use on ubuntu, in order to test it?
[14:37] <leftyfb> vcxza: mount -t cifs
[14:38] <vcxza> ?
[14:38] <vcxza> leftyfb: mount -t cifs mysharedfolder ?
[14:38] <leftyfb> vcxza: try following the tutorials I gave you
[14:39] <vcxza> leftyfb: I followed the second tutorial. It simply says to restart samba
[14:39] <vcxza> nothing more (after editing smb.conf)
[14:39] <leftyfb> and did you do that?
[14:41] <leftyfb> vcxza: https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-mount-cifs-windows-share-on-linux/
[14:41] <vcxza> yes. then I tried to launch konqueror (which has samba support) with this address<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:41] <vcxza> I see the shared dir, but I get stucked on "enter password"
[14:42] <leftyfb> enter your password
[14:42] <vcxza> samba password or user password?
[14:42] <leftyfb> did you set a "samba password"?
[14:43] <vcxza> no. and I tried with the user password. no luck
[14:43] <leftyfb> what do your logs say?
[14:44] <vcxza> samba log?
[14:44] <leftyfb> of course
[14:45] <wkmango> you can't skip the samba password
[14:45] <wkmango> Unless you've done some extra work, the default is you have to set a separate samba password for the user
[14:45] <leftyfb> wkmango: that is not true
[14:45] <vcxza> cat /var/log/samba/log.<IP_ADDRESS>  <--- empty file
[14:46] <vcxza> as I said before, this  is a NIGHTMARE. It doesn't work as quickly as it's intended
[14:46] <vcxza> and I remember I have similar issues in the past
[14:46] <leftyfb> vcxza: can you post your smb.conf file?
[14:46] <leftyfb> pastebin
[14:46] <wkmango> ok, but the guide that you shared specifies it
[14:47] <wkmango> why go the complicated route? just set a password
[14:47] <leftyfb> wkmango: the first guide does, the 2nd doesn't. It's easier to just use the already existing credentials of the linux user
[14:48] <vcxza> leftyfb: https://bpa.st/DNLQ
[14:48] <vcxza> leftyfb: I really thank you for your help. but I'm pretty sure that samba on linux is awkward
[14:48] <vcxza> it's totally random
[14:49] <leftyfb> it is awkward, but it's not "totally random"
[14:49] <wkmango> vcxza, there are plugins for it on most file managers, not sure about lxqt
[14:49] <wkmango> And the config file is pretty easy if you have a sample shared drive config
[14:50] <vcxza> I dunno how to go out this hell
[14:50] <leftyfb> vcxza: give me a moment
[14:50] <vcxza> thanks leftyfb
[14:51] <wkmango> sometimes, I use 'smb4k' gui to check and mount drives
[14:51] <vcxza> wkmango: let's try it
[14:51] <wkmango> you don't need to use that, but since you said Koqueror, do you have Dolphin plugins on that?
[14:52] <wkmango> I'm not sure the difference between Konqueror and Dolphin on Lubuntu
[14:52] <leftyfb> wkmango: vcxza: it doesn't matter what client you're attempting to use if the server isn't setup properly
[14:52] <wkmango> but Dolphin has a plugin to share samba.. "right click, properties, shares"
[14:52] <vcxza> leftyfb: in any case, I just tried smb4k and it's stuck on the password as well
[14:53] <vcxza> should I set a samba password for my user?
[14:53] <leftyfb> vcxza: right, that's not an issue with the client
[14:53] <leftyfb> no
[14:53] <leftyfb> just hold on
[14:53] <vcxza> I also disabled uwf
[14:53] <vcxza> ufw
[14:54] <leftyfb> not if we're just testing locally and it's asking you for a password
[14:54] <wkmango> look at all the wikis: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba/SambaServerGuide
[14:54] <leftyfb> but if you can't even see the shares from Windows and it doesn't ask for a password, then yes
[14:54] <wkmango> https://wiki.debian.org/Samba/ServerSimple
[14:54] <wkmango> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Samba
[14:54] <vcxza> leftyfb: I see the shares
[14:55] <wkmango> Ubuntu/Debian/Arch, all say to setup a password
[14:55] <leftyfb> wkmango: your first link: last edited 2014-11-19 00:01:16 by foka)
[14:55] <wkmango> user is stuck on password
[14:55] <leftyfb> this isn't arch
[14:55] <wkmango> Hmm... what could it be?
[14:55] <leftyfb> you don't need a smbpassword
[14:55] <leftyfb> jsut stop
[14:57] <vcxza> I well remember these issues in the past. That's why I asked for something different than samba
[14:57] <vcxza> I suspect they are related to lubuntu
[14:58] <leftyfb> vcxza: do you care about it being password protected?
[14:58] <vcxza> leftyfb: yes
[14:58] <leftyfb> ok, please wait
[14:59] <vcxza> thanks again leftyfb
[14:59] <leftyfb> vcxza: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/SZKXC67zDM/
[14:59] <leftyfb> btw, you can remove/comment out the [printers] and [print$] section if you're not going to be running your own print server from it
[15:01] <leftyfb> vcxza: you'll need to restart smbd
[15:01] <vcxza> leftyfb: done. the issue remain
[15:02] <leftyfb> vcxza: there should definitely be a log in /var/log/samba
[15:03] <leftyfb> vcxza: it might be log.localhost
[15:03] <vcxza> leftyfb: https://bpa.st/FMFA
[15:04] <Guest93> Hi! I have 2 issues with SSD:
[15:04] <Guest93> Sometimes OS crashes with text like this:
[15:04] <Guest93> ```
[15:04] <Guest93> [16792.130797] EXT4-fs error (device nvmeon1p10): __ext4_find_entry:1663: inode #1438998: comm systemd: reading directory lblock 0
[15:04] <Guest93> [16792.131601] systemd-journald [305]: Failed to rotate /var/log/journal/0e809b9a94e049f6a9f2b648e8b538c6/system.journal: Read-only file system
[15:04] <Guest93> [16792.131739] systemd-journald [305]: Failed to rotate /var/log/journal/0e809b9a94e049f6a9f2b648e8b538c6/user-1000.journal: Read-only file system [16792.131968] systemd-journald [305]: Failed to write entry (29 items, 766 bytes), ignoring: Input/output error
[15:04] <leftyfb> !paste | Guest93
[15:05] <leftyfb> Guest93: you have a corrupt filesystem. run fsck on it to repair.  I'm searching for an alternative, as said at beginning
[15:06] <vcxza> samba support on ubuntu is simply broken
[15:06] <leftyfb> it's not
[15:06] <leftyfb> vcxza: do you want my help or not?
[15:06] <vcxza> leftyfb: yeah, of course
[15:07] <leftyfb> vcxza: under the [sharedfolder] section, add:  force user = paolo
[15:09] <vcxza> leftyfb: the error remains
[15:09] <leftyfb> vcxza: grep password /var/log/samba/*
[15:10] <vcxza> grep: /var/log/samba/cores: Is a directory
[15:11] <leftyfb> that's the only line you get?
[15:11] <vcxza> yes
[15:11] <leftyfb> how have you been restarting smbd?
[15:11] <vcxza> sudo service smbd restart
[15:12] <leftyfb> what version of ubuntu is this?
[15:12] <vcxza> 22.04 (lubuntu)
[15:12] <leftyfb> vcxza: sudo systemctl restart smbd
[15:13] <leftyfb> vcxza: fine, just set a smbpassword for your user:   sudo smbpasswd -a psolo
[15:13] <leftyfb> this does work without having to do this, but I have to get going
[15:14] <vcxza> leftyfb: I just solved. I entered the samba password (not the user password)
[15:14] <vcxza> many thanks for your precious support
[15:15] <leftyfb> [10:42:48] <leftyfb> did you set a "samba password"?
[15:15] <leftyfb> [10:43:09] * nurtle (~nurtle@user/nurtle) has joined #ubuntu
[15:15] <leftyfb> [10:43:12] <vcxza> no. and I tried with the user password. no luck
[15:16] <vcxza> leftyfb: I tried also without samba password, before
[15:16] <vcxza> I mean:
[15:16] <vcxza> without a samba password set
[15:16] <leftyfb> that's probably the reason this wasn't working. If you set a smbpassword, you have to use it. If you didn't set smbpassword, then it should have worked using the linux user password
[15:18] <vcxza> leftyfb: I meant:
[15:18] <vcxza> I tried with a user WITHOUT a samba password and it did not work
[15:18] <vcxza> then I set a samba password and it did not work either
[15:18] <vcxza> there should be something in your conf file that made it work
[15:19] <vcxza> thanks again. bbl
[15:21] <ioria> vcxza, did you share the directory on windows ?
[16:52] <untre> is ubuntu illegal in north korea?
[16:54] <rbox> sounds like a question for the north korean governmnet
[16:55] <untre> or rascul
[16:56] <JFox762> I need help with installing Ubuntu and being able to boot to it on my Lenovo T470s
[16:56] <JFox762> Im stuck in a bootloop with my previous installation... and am OK with starting over with reinstallation
[16:57] <untre> JFox762: are you in north korea?
[16:57] <JFox762> ... No
[16:57] <rbox> untre: go troll somewhere else
[16:57] <untre> ok then the nerds here should be ble to help
[16:58] <JFox762> So when I try booting up my laptop, it brings me to grub
[16:58] <JFox762> I should have a linux os installed on the main drive
[16:59] <JFox762> When I het the contextual button to bring up bootup options, and try to set it to boot to my main drive....
[17:00] <JFox762> It just brings me to the grub
[17:04] <jeremy31> JFox762: is there an ubuntu option in the boot list?
[17:06] <JFox762> yeah but it brought me back to grub
[17:07] <jeremy31> Does grub allow you to boot an OS?
[17:07] <JFox762> I have kubuntu installed
[17:07] <JFox762> how do I boot from grub to the OS?
[17:08] <jeremy31> There should be options in the grub menu
[17:10] <jeremy31> JFox762: you may need to boot the ISO and post a link to summary info from boot repair https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[17:10] <JFox762> Im going to try reinstalling the OS one more time
[17:11] <JFox762> (no important data)
[17:11] <JFox762> That way we can eliminate any configuration changes that might make it more complicated
[17:12] <oerheks> just make sure you boot the iso in UEFI mode.
[17:12] <oerheks> with fastboot disabled
[17:13] <JFox762> fastboot enabled in bios?
[17:15] <oerheks> did i write enabled?
[17:16] <oerheks> see the UEFI manual
[17:16] <oerheks> !uefi
[17:16] <JFox762> Im not familiar with fastboot
[17:16] <JFox762> !fastboot
[17:17] <JFox762> Im checking to see if its enabled so I can disable it
[17:17] <JFox762> not sure where to find it in bios
[17:18] <oerheks> easy to check all pages..
[17:18] <oerheks> secureboot is oke
[17:18] <JFox762> ahh nevermind found it
[17:19] <JFox762> i think
[17:19] <JFox762> Theres options under Bootmode  "Quick" and "Diagnostics"
[17:19] <JFox762> So select Diagnostics?
[17:20] <oerheks> that sounds like not the bios settings
[17:20] <oerheks> check the manual how to enter the bios?
[17:20] <jhutchins> JFox762: That doesn't sound like it.  That sounds like whether to run the RAM and hardware checks at boot.
[17:20] <jhutchins> Are we sure this system is UEFI, not BIOS?
[17:21] <jhutchins> JFox762: Do you see SecureBoot mentioned anywhere?
[17:21] <JFox762> Yes
[17:22] <JFox762> It is disabled
[17:22] <jhutchins> JFox762: Fast Boot should be on the same page. Both should be off.
[17:22] <JFox762> There is no mention of fast boot
[17:23] <oerheks> secureboot on, fstboot off....
[17:23] <JFox762> options are:
[17:23] <JFox762> Secure Boot [Disabled]
[17:23] <JFox762> Platform Mode [User Mode]
[17:23] <JFox762> Secure Boot Mode [Standard mode]
[17:23] <JFox762> Reset to Setup Mode [Enter]
[17:23] <JFox762> Restore Factory Keys [Enter]
[17:23] <oerheks> weird you can paste those..
[17:25] <JFox762> https://dpaste.com/DH3RY8EQR
[17:26] <JFox762> I didnt, I hand typed that lol
[17:27] <JFox762> Sorry for the accidental flood
[17:28] <JFox762> But yeah, no mention of a fastboot
[17:30] <JFox762> Possible that just isn't a feature on the Lenovo T470s bios?
[17:37] <hao> when I'm brought into grub when not expecting it, I always try set the correct grub.cfg (something like `configfile (hdX,...)/boot/grub/grub.cfg`), then it might bring the menu to me. sometime also have to `set root=(...)`. I never fully understand grub, and never spend the time to fix my multiOS bootable USB stick.
[17:38] <hao> also found that many problem asked here is about booting/grub/efi...
[17:44] <JFox762> So I tried installing a new OS, and I got an error
[17:45] <JFox762> "Executing 'grub-install /dev/nvme0n1' failed. This is a fatal error."
[17:57] <jhutchins> JFox762: THat looks like a partition, not a device.
[17:57] <JFox762>    Trying the installation again
[17:58] <jhutchins> JFox762: You probably want /dev/nvme0
[17:58] <JFox762> I chose entire disk this time
[17:58] <JFox762> maybe I made an error first time
[17:59] <JFox762> Same error, again :(
[18:01] <jhutchins> JFox762: At least you're consistent.
[18:03] <jhutchins> JFox762: Are you changing any of the defaults?  Can you pastebin fdisk -l /dev/nvme0 ?
[18:04] <JFox762> No I didnt change any defaults
[18:04] <oerheks> nvme0 set to raid or ahci?
[18:05] <oerheks> nomodeset could an option > https://devicetests.com/fix-ubuntu-installation-issue-lenovo-thinkpad-t470
[18:10] <oerheks> oh noes, secureboot could well be the issue.. https://gist.github.com/okapies/de0d08f9e3c8bcb2b76a33b68f62a48c
[18:12] <JFox762> https://dpaste.com/FAF9X6SW2
[18:13] <jhutchins> oerheks: If it was nomodeset it would get past the grub menu but fail on graphics.
[18:13] <JFox762> THATS THE OUTPUT from sudo fdisk -l /dev/nvme0n1
[18:14] <elias_a> JFox762: Stop yelling you idiot!
[18:14] <JFox762> sorry
[18:14] <jhutchins> JFox762: So you're specifying the wrong device for grub.  p1 and p2 are partitions, not devices.
[18:14] <JFox762> Ok...
[18:14] <JFox762> when I tried to install kubuntu... i just chose it to install on entire disk
[18:15] <JFox762> IS that not appropriate?
[18:16] <jhutchins> JFox762: Not sure what you mean.  Grub is supposed to install to the device, not the partition.  kubuntu is the same as regular ubuntu except for the desktop and apps from KDE.
[18:16] <JFox762> OK
[18:16] <jeremy31> vcxza:
[18:17] <JFox762> So Im at the "Installation Type". There are four options. Guided - Resize /dev/nvme0n1p2 and use freed space" OR "Guided - Use entire disk." OR "Guided use entire fdisk and set up LVM" OR Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM
[18:17] <JFox762> What should i select?
[18:20] <JFox762> https://dpaste.com/5BBBBT5SP
[18:20] <jhutchins> I would say Guided, entire disk. I think the "Resize" option is because the installer sees there is already data on p2.
[18:20] <JFox762> Thats the output for fdisk -l
[18:20] <JFox762> Thats what I selected previously though
[18:20] <JFox762> The device is listed as /dev/nvme0n1 - 256 GB Intel SSDPEKKF256G8L
[18:21] <jhutchins> JFox762: That's not the problem, the problem is the selection for where to install grub.  p1 is the EFI partition, not the device.
[18:21] <jhutchins> JFox762: That is NOT a device, that is a partion on device nvme0.
[18:22] <jeremy31> 12:45 PM <JFox762> "Executing 'grub-install /dev/nvme0n1' failed. This is a fatal error."
[18:22] <jhutchins> JFox762: I like to have the installer make just one partition for Linux, plus a swap partition, and you need the EFI partition too, so you would have three partitions.
[18:23] <JFox762> Last time I did "Guided Entire Disk" it came up with the same error
[18:23] <jhutchins> JFox762: That's not where your problem is.
[18:23] <JFox762> OK
[18:23] <JFox762> So what do I do from here?
[18:23] <jhutchins> You could do this:
[18:24] <jhutchins> !fixgrub
[18:24] <jhutchins> Or you could re-run the guided install.
[18:24] <JFox762> The Guided Install... using "Guided - Use Entire Disk" Option?
[18:24] <jhutchins> Yes.
[18:25] <JFox762> OK... Ill try it again
[18:30] <JFox762> Tried the "Guided - Full Disk" Option as you advised... and got the same error
[18:43] <JFox762> @jhutchins any suggestions?
[18:43] <jhutchins> JFox762: Yes, scroll back and look at what we've said about partitions and grub install.
[18:45] <JFox762> You said to retry the guided install, thats exactly what I did, and I selected "Entire Disk"
[18:45] <jhutchins> JFox762: That doesn't have anything to do with the problem.
[18:49] <jhutchins> JFox762: Actually, I don't think I told you to re-run the install, that was your idea.  I showed you the links for fixing the grub install and suggested you do that.
[18:50] <jhutchins> JFox762: Do you understand what a partition is, and what the difference between the device and the partition is?
[18:50] <JFox762> Yes
[18:50] <jhutchins> JFox762: Why do you keep telling grub to install on the partition instead of the device then?
[18:51] <JFox762> I kept selecting "Entire Disk" not the partition from the guided install
[18:51] <JFox762> So I was not installing onto the partition
[18:51] <jhutchins> JFox762: That is at the partitioning stage, which is not the grub install stage.  It asks you where to install grub just before you get the error.
[18:52] <jhutchins> JFox762: You installed Ubuntu to the partitions created in the guided partitioning stage.  That is not the grub install stage.
[18:53] <JFox762> there didn't seem to be a separate Grub install stage
[18:53] <jhutchins> JFox762: WHat installer are you using?
[18:53] <JFox762> i was using kubuntu
[18:53] <JFox762> kubuntu live-usb
[18:53] <JFox762> Im going to try regular old school ubuntu
[18:53] <JFox762> Creating a new live USB
[18:55] <jhutchins> If you make the same choices, you will end up at the same error, no matter which desktop you choose.
[18:57] <JFox762> OK so im booting up my laptop now
[18:59] <JFox762> So I hit enter, and then select the boot options so I can select my bootup device... select the LiveUSB
[19:00] <JFox762> Selecting Language, and then selecting Install Ubuntu
[19:00] <JFox762> Selected Keyboard layout
[19:01] <JFox762> Updates and Other Software.  Selected Normal Installation, and enabled option for Download Updates while Installing Ubuntu AND install third party software.
[19:01] <jhutchins> So far so good.
[19:01] <JFox762> Now I'm at a screen that gives options "Erase Ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS> LTS and reinstall"
[19:02] <JFox762> OR "Install Ubuntu LTS alongside Ubuntu" (odd, probably not the option I want
[19:02] <JFox762> "Erase Disk and install Ubuntu"
[19:02] <JFox762> and "Something Else"
[19:02] <JFox762> Should I select Erase Disk and Install Ubuntu?
[19:04] <jhutchins> Yes, that's correct.  You're erasing the Lubuntu install you did, replacing it with ubuntu + gnome.
[19:04] <JFox762> Ok good
[19:05] <JFox762> Selecting that option and clicking install now
[19:05] <JFox762> Now it brings up a popup saying the Partition tables of the following devices are changed: /dev/nvme0n1
[19:06] <JFox762> and "The following partitions are going to be formatted: "Partition #1 of /dev/nvme0n1 as ESP"
[19:06] <kerxphilox> ubuntu@ip-172-30-1-161:~/firefox$ chromium
[19:06] <kerxphilox> /user.slice/user-1000.slice/session-1.scope is not a snap cgroup
[19:06] <kerxphilox> ubuntu@ip-172-30-1-161:~/firefox$ firefox
[19:06] <kerxphilox> /user.slice/user-1000.slice/session-1.scope is not a snap cgroup
[19:06] <JFox762> "Partition #2 of /dev/nvme0n1 as ext4"
[19:06] <kerxphilox> Hi all, I'm receiving the following installing snap packages on an ARM64 Ubuntu 22.04 ec2 instance
[19:06] <JFox762> Options are Go Back or Continue. Select Continue?
[19:07] <jhutchins> JFox762: That is a little confusing, but yes.
[19:09] <JFox762> Now its selecting region page
[19:10] <JFox762> Now its installing
[19:10] <JFox762> that is after a final username/password/hostname screen
[19:11] <akik> anybody tried to install ubuntu mate 22.04.3 on a usb stick in uefi mode? after install the usb stick won't boot until i mount/chroot/grub-install and grub-mkconfig
[19:13] <JFox762> Same error again
[19:13] <jhutchins> JFox762: Do you have any options when you get that error?
[19:13] <jeremy31> JFox762: get a summary report from boot repair
[19:14] <JFox762> Just "OK"
[19:14] <JFox762> Wait... now it says "Installation is comlete You need to restart the computer in order to use the new installation"
[19:14] <JFox762> But I also got another popup saying...
[19:14] <jhutchins> Interesting.
[19:15] <JFox762> "INstaller Crashed -  We're sorry; the installer crashed. After you closet his window... we'll allow you to file a pug report using the integrated bug reporting tool..."
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> akik: maybe alkisg knows
[19:16] <jhutchins> JFox762: I haven't run a recent installer on an EFI system, I think you'll need to wait for someone with more current knowledge.
[19:16] <jhutchins> I did my initial install several years ago and have only updated it since.
[19:17] <jhutchins> JFox762: You might try searching the net for terms like "ubuntu" + <laptop model>+install
[19:24] <alkisg> lotuspsychje, akik, what was the question? I scrolled back a bit but I can't find it
[19:25] <akik> alkisg: i installed ubuntu mate 22.04.3 on an usb stick in uefi mode. after install it didn't boot
[19:25] <JFox762> !grubrepair
[19:26] <akik> alkisg: then i did the mount/chroot/ remove EFI/* /grub-install and grub-mkconfig and by magic it now boots
[19:26] <alkisg> akik: which efi partition did the install use, the stick one or the hd one?
[19:26] <alkisg> *the installer
[19:27] <akik> alkisg: the stick's
[19:28] <alkisg> OK well if you hadn't repaired it might make sense to see the disk layout, the efi boot entries etc; but now that you fixed it, problem solved I guess...
[19:28] <akik> well for me
[19:30] <alkisg> If it's a reproducible case, you might want to file a bug in launchpad then; it should affect all ubuntu flavors...
[19:30] <akik> alkisg: i can try it again tomorrow
[19:30] <untre> akik you will respect this channel by not using windows
[19:31] <akik> wtf?
[19:32] <untre> it has been noticed you have frequented #windows
[19:32] <akik> that is none of your damn business on which channels i chat
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> untre: stop that please
[19:32] <jhutchins> akik: Do not engage the troll.
[19:34] <akik> i just made documentation on how to start gnome desktop in wsl 2
[19:34] <akik> did you know that you can now run a linux kernel in windows?
[19:35] <untre> i did, i did not know that you could do it in finland though
[19:37] <akik> yea did you know where linus lived when he built the initial linux kernel?
[19:37] <JFox762> So I tried running the boot-repair
[19:37] <JFox762> Ran the recommended boot repair
[19:37] <untre> iran
[19:37] <akik> yup in finland
[19:37] <JFox762> "Locked-NVram detected"
[19:38] <leftyfb> !op | untre can we please remove this troll?
[19:40] <jeremy31> JFox762: is there a lock boot order in BIOS?
[19:41] <JFox762> Let me reboot the laptop and check
[19:42] <jeremy31> JFox762: there might be an option to boot an EFI too
[19:42] <JFox762> Boot ORder Lock is enabled
[19:43] <ioria> JFox762,  Supervisor Password set ?
[19:43] <JFox762> I think so
[19:43] <ioria> disable
[19:43] <jeremy31> Disable it, JFox762, is there a BIOS boot order on that?
[19:43] <JFox762> I have to enter a password prior to boot up
[19:44] <JFox762> Actually
[19:44] <JFox762> correction... Supervisor Password is disabled
[19:44] <JFox762> Lock UEFI BioS Settings are disabled
[19:44] <ioria> then wrong installer
[19:44] <jeremy31> It might not need a password
[19:45] <JFox762> So Disable Boot Order Lock, Leave Supervisor Password Disabled
[19:45] <jeremy31> JFox762: for now
[19:47] <jeremy31> F12 or FN + F12 at boot should bring up a boot order, see if ubuntu/kubuntu is listed
[19:50] <JFox762> OK so now retry install?
[19:51] <JFox762> Aha!
[19:51] <JFox762> Grub pulls up now
[19:51] <JFox762> Ubuntu is an option
[19:51] <jeremy31> Good
[19:51] <JFox762> I think Ubuntu is pulling up
[19:51] <JFox762> Ugh, I left my liveUSB plugged in
[19:52] <JFox762> how do i make sure Ubuntu is running off of the main drive and not the liveUSB?
[19:52] <JFox762> Hmm nevermind
[19:52] <JFox762> its prompting me for username and password.
[19:53] <JFox762> Going to shutdown, remove LiveUSB, try again
[19:53] <JFox762> I guess it was Boot Lock Order that was causing trouble
[19:54] <JFox762> Its working now, seamlessly
[19:56] <JFox762> What are the benefits of Ubuntu SSO?
[19:57] <jeremy31> You can use it to access multiple Ubuntu sites
[20:06] <jhutchins> JFox762: The laptop is an HP isn't it?
[20:06] <JFox762> Lenovo
[20:06] <JFox762> T470s
[20:07] <jeremy31> jhutchins: HP usually just makes you change UEFI boot order in UEFI settings
[20:29] <JFox762> Ooof
[20:30] <JFox762> Noticed the bottom panel was swelling my Lenovo T470s...
[20:30] <jeremy31> Battery?
[20:30] <JFox762> One of the two batteries had not been working for a while. Opened up the laptop, swollen battery. Removed it to reduce risk of explosion.
[20:30] <JFox762> Thankfully the other battery is still fine
[20:30] <JFox762> yea
[20:31] <JFox762> Im traveling soon, and needed to fix this laptop so I have a laptop for my travel. Not a good idea to fly in an airplane with a swollen battery
[20:59] <ENOT> https://vk.com/forum.enot
[21:03] <kerxphilox> Anyone can help me figure out why firefox snap isn't running properly and provides me with this error message: /user.slice/user-1000.slice/session-1.scope is not a snap cgroup
[21:03] <kerxphilox> There isn't anything online that is pointing me in the right direction of fixing this
[21:04] <jhutchins> !firefox
[21:05] <kerxphilox> Just as a note I'm running ARM64
[21:06] <jhutchins> !firefox-lts
[21:06] <jhutchins> !info firefox-lts
[21:09] <jhutchins> kerxphilox: You could try the .deb package from Mozilla.
[21:10] <jhutchins> kerxphilox: I don't know if they have arm64 builds.
[21:10] <kerxphilox> Yea, I am not having luck w/ ARM64
[21:10] <kerxphilox> Even doing a google search for firefox on arm64 doesn't bring up much
[21:10] <kerxphilox> I thought that by now it would be more common, am I missing something?
[21:11] <kerxphilox> I wonder if I would have success by compiling Firefox myself
[21:16] <kerxphilox> This is so weird!
[21:17] <kerxphilox> Running '/snap/firefox/2918/usr/lib/firefox/firefox' manually will bring up Firefox browser, but running it in the command line as 'firefox' will not
[21:17] <akik> alkisg: i don't know what goes wrong with the ubuntu mate 22.04.3 usb stick uefi install, but this fixes it: https://paste.linux.chat/?63dd0c806c0f4e27#GmH6AUT79VZKzhM6RahkMNUoEj3nH5LxSpv4dmEVcN1L
[21:21] <kerxphilox> Any ideas as to why the snap doesn't work but the binary does?
[21:21] <jhutchins> kerxphilox: snap.
[21:22] <akik> alkisg: oh it gets the esp partition wrong: # /boot/efi was on /dev/sda1 during installation
[21:22] <jhutchins> kerxphilox: Not the best idea they've had.
[21:22] <jhutchins> kerxphilox: Do a "which firefox" to see what command it's actually running; consider making a symlink.
[21:23] <kerxphilox> ubuntu@ip-172-30-1-161:~$ which firefox
[21:23] <kerxphilox> /usr/bin/firefox
[21:23] <kerxphilox> ubuntu@ip-172-30-1-161:~$ file /usr/bin/firefox
[21:23] <kerxphilox> /usr/bin/firefox: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable
[21:24] <kerxphilox> maybe it has to do with the fact that I am running inside a VNC connection remotely?
[21:25] <jhutchins> kerxphilox: Yes.
[21:25] <terminaldweller> :b 64
[21:25] <jhutchins> kerxphilox: Look at the script and see what it's doing.
[21:26] <akik> kerxphilox: i couldn't make the firefox snap work in a vnc session either
[21:34] <kerxphilox> Ok got it
[21:34] <kerxphilox> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-deb-apt-ubuntu-22-04
[21:34] <kerxphilox> This worked.  I removed the snap and installed from the ppa
[21:34] <jhutchins> kerxphilox: ++
[21:35] <kerxphilox> This only happens on the ARM64 instance though.  I work perfectly fine on the x86_64 instance
[21:45] <newpy> has anyone had any issues using wireguard on ubuntu 22.04? I tried using the peer config steps here but it's not working: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-wireguard-on-ubuntu-20-04
[21:46] <oerheks> try https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-wireguard-on-ubuntu-22-04 ?
[21:46] <oerheks> seek the difference
[22:11] <kerxphilox> Any idea why I can't add files on the Desktop of a gnome session?  I even manually add files using touch but it doesn't appear on my Desktop in the gnome session
[22:13] <rbox> gnoem doesnt have desktop icons anymore
[22:14] <oerheks> kerxphilox, only .desktop files allowed  https://www.cyberciti.biz/howto/how-to-install-and-edit-desktop-files-on-linux-desktop-entries/
[22:14] <oerheks> other files is so windows xp
[22:15] <tomreyn> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/2087/desktop-icons-ng-ding/
[22:16] <kerxphilox> There isn't an option to add a application to the desktop, just the start bar
[22:16] <oerheks> there is an option in settings
[22:17] <oerheks> appearance
[22:18] <kerxphilox> I don't have an appearance in the settings menu
[22:18] <oerheks> yes you do
[22:19] <oerheks> in gnome
[22:19] <kerxphilox> No I'm serious, I don't see it in the settings
[22:20] <oerheks> also that url is a help
[22:20] <oerheks> good luck!
[22:22] <kerxphilox> Thanks I'll try that
[22:22] <tomreyn> kerxphilox: i think you only really need to    sudo apt install gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons-ng
[22:23] <oerheks> oh good spot, not sure i installed that manually
[22:24] <kerxphilox> gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons-ng is already the newest version (43-2ubuntu1).
[22:24] <kerxphilox> gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons-ng set to manually installed.
[22:24] <kerxphilox> How do I manage it?
[22:25] <kerxphilox> There we go I got it
[22:25] <tomreyn> using extensions manager
[22:25] <kerxphilox> Thanks, I got it
[22:26] <tomreyn> you'll soon notice it's not perfect
[22:27] <tomreyn> https://gitlab.com/rastersoft/desktop-icons-ng/-/issues
[22:27] <kerxphilox> Yea, but it's better than nothing
[22:28] <tomreyn> which ubuntu version are you on?
[22:28] <tomreyn> i'm just wondering since i think this used to be installed and active by default
[22:29] <tomreyn> settings -> about   will tell
[22:29] <tomreyn> or   lsb_release -ds
[22:30] <kerxphilox> Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS
[22:30] <tomreyn> thanks
[22:30] <kerxphilox> It's an amazon ec2 instance that was initially Ubuntu Server
[22:30] <kerxphilox> I manually installed ubuntu desktop, gnome, etc
[22:30] <kerxphilox> That's why it didn't have all this setup by default
[22:30] <tomreyn> oh so that'll be why, i guess. maybe you don't have the "ubuntu-desktop" package installed
[22:31] <tomreyn> and maybe some of the ubuntu-server*" packages are still installed
[22:31] <kerxphilox> I do have that package installed
[22:31] <kerxphilox> ubuntu@ip-172-30-1-47:~$ dpkg -l | grep ubuntu-desktop
[22:31] <kerxphilox> ii  ubuntu-desktop                             1.481.1                                 amd64        The Ubuntu desktop system
[22:31] <kerxphilox> ii  ubuntu-desktop-minimal                     1.481.1                                 amd64        The Ubuntu desktop minimal system
[22:31] <tomreyn> i see. please use a pastebin for sharing multi-line outputs, though
[22:32] <kerxphilox> Ok I thought up to three would be OK, i'll use pastebin for future pasted
[22:34] <kerxphilox> Is there a package I can install that will give me the complete Ubuntu desktop, such as icons, etc.?
[22:35] <akik> alkisg: i just confirmed this; when installing ubuntu on a usb stick in uefi mode, the installer uses the wrong esp which is not on the usb stick
[22:35] <tomreyn> ubuntu-desktop should, i think. that's unless the system is configured not to install recommended packages
[22:36] <oerheks> there is vanilla-gnome-desktop .. but i doubt it will give gnome2 functions back
[22:37] <oerheks> !info vanilla-gnome-desktop
[22:39] <tomreyn> try   sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop^     or   sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop -o 'APT::Install-Recommends=1'
[22:39] <kerxphilox> ubuntu-desktop is installed, but i just installed vanilla-gnome-desktop
[22:40] <kerxphilox> There we go, that did it
[22:40] <kerxphilox> I needed vanilla-gnome-desktop
[23:40] <newpy> EdFletcher, hey sorry to bother you again but is prometheus also free like grafana?
[23:41] <newpy> oh wait, wrong channel


[18:25] <pleia2> akgraner: are we all set for setting up the poll on tuesday?
[20:07] <akgraner> pleia2, yep....will send you a test link in the am
[20:08] <pleia2> akgraner: no need, just wanted to confirm that we didn't have to run around like crazy people getting things on track tuesday morning :)
[20:08] <pleia2> "yep" is good enough for me!
[20:13] <akgraner> pleia2, I am using the same format as the last election with the exception being the names and wiki pages are the current people...
[20:13] <pleia2> akgraner: sounds good :)
[20:21] <nigelb> akgraner: you're here!
[20:21] <nigelb> kicked pete?
[20:21] <nigelb> :P
[20:21] <akgraner> :-)
[20:22] <akgraner> nigelb, I'll be adding info to the google doc later tonight
[20:22] <nigelb> akgraner: re:mentorship, how much do you want to document?
[20:23] <akgraner> I'd like to get as much as possible into the doc over the next 4 days...even if some areas are just place  holders in the outline
[20:23] <nigelb> (a) invitation to mentorship, (b) finding mentors (c) selecting candidates (d) finding sponsors (e) measuring progress (f) concluding (g) post-program review.
[20:23] <nigelb> Did I miss anything that we'd have to document?
[20:23] <nigelb> (oh, I'm sure I missed something)
[20:24] <akgraner> that's the basics yep
[20:24] <nigelb> awesome, that sounds good :)
[20:25] <akgraner> and I am sure there will  be additions as we pull from and tweak the best practices from other programs to suite UW
[20:26] <nigelb> yeah :)


[08:46] <CoyoteLE> Hi all!
[13:47] <barry> jelmer, or anyone else: does anybody still know how `bzr merge-upstream` works and can help with a problem i'm having?