[15:21] <hinogi> well there aren't many updates on release day :P
[15:21] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: did you use the xorg ppa?
[15:21] <JAMMAN2110> Someone really needs to complain to Citylink about how terrible the NZ Repo has been for the last 5 years
[15:22] <jdahm> sam-_-: because gnome3 is not better than unity
[15:22] <JAMMAN2110> (Not an exaggeration)
[15:22] <LjL> jdahm: that's not the reason
[15:22] <riktking> hinogi: try plugging using a wired network
[15:22] <LjL> sam-_-: i believe it wasn't stable in time for the freeze, or something
[15:22] <hinogi> I did but there aren't any updates
[15:23] <sam-_-> jdahm: well that's apple and oranges. i didn't say so. i just want to know why they didn't include it.
[15:23] <sam-_-> LjL: ah. that makes sense
[15:23] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: well if not, you need to pastebin some of the files from /var/log/dist-upgrade I believe, so we can take a look
[15:23] <Sylphid> hey all....having a problem with front panel audio, if i start audio it everything defaults to rear panel however if i run aplay /some/audio.wav and start another track durring the aplay it goes to the front panel, any tips on how to toggle between front and back panel only?
[15:23] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, I used a wrong ppa some time ago, have a look: http://pastebin.com/6itQQtTz
[15:23] <riktking> hinogi: System > Administration > Hardware/Additional Drivers
[15:24] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, I can't figure out which package exactly is causing that problem, otherwise I could fix  it
[15:24] <vibhav> 3 minutes remaining
[15:24] <brianl> I had a lot of problems and when I was updating to 11.04 something messed up and everything broke and I couldnt get anything to work. So i deleted it and reinstalled 10.04...now I can't get my computer to recognize my wireless internet card. Its a BCM4311 and I know how to set it up, but it won't even see it under lspci?
[15:24] <hinogi> I have the STA drivers enabled riktking
[15:24] <ActionParsnip> brianl: do a clean install of natty instead :)
[15:24] <zetheroo> ok ... running 11.04 ... the menu is the immediate issue here ... how do you edit it???
[15:25] <ActionParsnip> zetheroo: which menu?
[15:25] <brianl> ActionParsnip, Is there a reason my computer won't recognize my wireless card anymore?
[15:25] <riktking> hinogi: sorry mate im out
[15:25] <ActionParsnip> brianl: does it show in:  sudo lshw -C network
[15:25] <zetheroo> ActionParsnip: the main menu ... when you click on the Ubuntu icon
 can you explain the problem a little bit more?
[15:25] <niels1> I have an issue, can anyone help? the laptop screen of my ubuntu 11.04 is blank, it's recognised, but it just won't do anything.
[15:25] <niels1> an external screen works.
[15:25] <ActionParsnip> zetheroo: I think it just uses the files in /usr/share/applications
[15:25] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: I would start at the top, see if you can remove xserver-xorg-video-8
 explain a liitle bit more
[15:26] <brianl> ActionParsnip, Nope, just my direct connection
[15:26] <zetheroo> vibhav: I just want to re-arrange the menu items ...
[15:26] <bakanub> niels1, intel graphics?
[15:26] <zetheroo> and how do you clear the recent files?
[15:26] <riktking> hinogi: ooh try sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter
[15:26] <niels1> When I look at the monitor settings, the screen is there, and when I change desktop it's there, but it doesn't display anything
[15:26] <niels1> bakanub definately intel graphics.
[15:26] <zetheroo> this menu has added confusion and more clicks to what was before it :(
[15:26] <ActionParsnip> niels1: use the bootoption:   nomodeset     If you use an nvidia/ati video chip then install the proprietary driver and it should be enableable
[15:26] <jdahm> why is 11.04 LTS a different install option from 11.04?
[15:27] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, I got an error. translated: virtual packages coudln't be removed
[15:27] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: actually, Im not sure
[15:27] <ActionParsnip> jdahm: 11.04 isn't LTS
[15:27] <jatt> there is no 11.04 LTS
 there is no 11.04 LTS
[15:27] <niels1> how do I do that, ActionParsnip?
[15:27] <jatt> what he said
[15:27] <jdahm> ActionParsnip: oh, sorry, read it wrong
[15:27] <jdahm> that is 10.04 still
 11.10 will be LTS
[15:27] <ScottONanski> Are the Ubuntu servers getting slammed?
[15:27] <ActionParsnip> niels1: what video chip are you using?
[15:27] <yofel> vibhav: no, 12.04 will
[15:27] <Avasz> vibhav, NO
[15:27] <vibhav> ok
[15:27] <zetheroo> without being able to customise the main menu this is not going to work for me
[15:27] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, I read it could be related with the gnome-desktop package, im trying to install that (so I have to downgrade Firefox 4 because of dependencys)
[15:27] <niels1> an Intel video chip, ActionParnsip
[15:27] <brianl> ActionParsnip, I had to partition everything myself when reinstalling because 11.04 was on there and i had to delete that and format the partition, I set the mount point at / for 10.04, would that mess anything up?
[15:27] <Dr_Willis|2> ScottONanski:  they always do on release day and for about a week after
[15:27] <ToeKutter> Max / Min on the left top? argh.. how to move that back to Right side?
[15:28] <Dr_Willis|2> !controls | ToeKutter
[15:28] <ActionParsnip> brianl: can't see that being an issue
[15:28] <kl_> Dr_Willis|2: is there a difference between gtk theme and metacity theme you know?
[15:28] <hsh902> how long that uasdthe new release of the ubuntu just came to us?
[15:28] <vibhav> wish me best of luck
[15:28] <Avasz> Dr_Willis|2, it is called toecutter?
[15:28] <Dr_Willis|2> kl_:  metacity is window decoration
[15:28] <ActionParsnip> brianl: is there a switch to turn the wifi off and on
[15:28] <cholo> hello
[15:28] <ToeKutter> what does that mean? -- terminal and type !controls ?
[15:28] <Avasz> oh. :(
[15:28] <vibhav> wish me best of luck! PLease!!
[15:28] <cholo> d/topic
[15:28] <Dr_Willis|2> ToeKutter:  ! is a BOT command.. read what ubottu told you
[15:28] <brianl> ActionParsnip, there is a button on the laptop, but ive hit it several times and nothing ;/
[15:28] <JediMaster> Is there a list of ubuntu mirrors I can dump in apt/sources.list as gb.archive.ubuntu.com normally gives me 80MBytes/sec on my servers and I'm getting 20kbytes/sec now due to the load from natty
[15:29] <cholo> how does one upgrade from Ubuntu Desktop Natty Beta 2 --> Ubuntu Desktop Natty
[15:29] <Toph> what is the best bittorent client under ubuntu?
[15:29] <ToeKutter> read what.. hmm not so helpful
[15:29] <ActionParsnip> brianl: reboot and run:  dmesg | less     and read through, is the wireless device detected?
[15:29] <Avasz> Toph, deluge
[15:29] <Toph> thanks
[15:29] <Dr_Willis|2> Toph:  depends on your needs.
[15:29] <JediMaster> Toph: or rtorrent for terminal
[15:29] <ActionParsnip> cholo: depends when you last updated the OS
[15:29] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: what about term.log?
[15:29] <misse-> Toph: deluge is my opinion as well :)
[15:30] <Soothsayer> [TK]D-Fender: you around ?
[15:30] <niels1> ...still have no clue what to do with my blank screen...
[15:30] <Dr_Willis|2> ToeKutter:  theres fromt ends to change the controlls back,. or theres some command you cut/paste to move them back. I use Ubuntu-tweak to handle it.
[15:30] <cholo> last updated Beta 2
[15:30] <misse-> JediMaster: deluge has a cli interface as well
[15:30] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer: Yup
[15:30] <cholo> a week ago
[15:30] <Travis-42> is there any way to see all of the changes I have made to /etc files?
[15:30] <jdahm> I love how the community page recommends 64 bit but the main download page recommends 32 bit
[15:30] <Toph> Dr_Willis|2,,, a very basic,, i'm new to bittorents
[15:30] <hsh902> how long just the new version of ubuntu is released?
[15:30] <Avasz> Toph, not sure if it is true.... but i have experienced more bandwidht in transmission than in deluge.
[15:30] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, empty
[15:30] <ActionParsnip> Toph: there is no single best application for any one situation in any OS
[15:30] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: what file was it that you posted?
[15:30] <Dr_Willis|2> Toph:  use the one included by default then. it does the job.
[15:30] <Avasz> Toph, if new.. then transmission will be ok.
[15:30] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, apt.log
[15:31] <zetheroo> so is there no way to edit the menu?
[15:31] <byomkeshbakshi> hi I tried to install ubuntu using wubi, but got this error
[15:31] <ActionParsnip> Toph: best is an opinion based on needs and tastes, why not try a few yourselfand use what YOU think is best
[15:31] <byomkeshbakshi> OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: u'E:\\ubuntu\\install\\ubuntu-10.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso'
[15:31] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: are there any other files?
[15:31] <home-alone> does ubuntu 11.04 normal download has wubi installer in it...????
[15:31] <cholo> is there a requirment to upgrade from beta 2'
[15:31] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, yes, main.log
[15:31] <ActionParsnip> byomkeshbakshi: did you MD5 test the ISO you downloaded
[15:31] <Toph> sorry,, I hadn't noticed Transmission already installed
[15:31] <vibhav> wish me best of luck in install 11.04!
[15:31] <ActionParsnip> cholo: when you install upgrades you will be on the stable release
[15:31] <byomkeshbakshi> actionparsnip: no
[15:31] <KM0201> Toph: transmission has been a default app for... ? a while... a long while
[15:31] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: can I see that?
[15:31] <ActionParsnip> gl vibhav
[15:31] <cholo> ok i am on beta
 thanks
[15:32] <brianl> ActionParsnip, nope, no wireless card was detected
[15:32] <ActionParsnip> byomkeshbakshi: then how do you know it was consistent or complete?
[15:32] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, it got just 7 lines, nothing important
[15:32] <Dr_Willis|2> cholo:  upgradeing today may be slow - due to server load.
[15:32] <brianl> ActionParsnip, Maybe i will download natty onto a cd and perform a clean install and try again ugh
[15:32] <ActionParsnip> brianl: and that's in a Lucid install
[15:32] <cholo> maverick said i can upgtrade, beta 2 said nothung;'
[15:32] <brianl> ActionParsnip, yes lucid, it has always worked before also
[15:32] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, http://pastebin.com/BY8W6mgT
[15:32] <cholo> do i do dist-upgrade
[15:32] <ActionParsnip> brianl: very strange
[15:32] <cholo> in beta 2
[15:32] <KM0201> cholo: you should be able to.
[15:32] <hsh902> hey guys, does anyone know how long that we just have the new version of UBUNTU?? (ubuntu 11.4)
[15:32] <Dr_Willis|2> cholo sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade ,. perhaps sudo apt-get dist-upgrade    done...
[15:32] <cholo> ok
[15:33] <byomkeshbakshi> ActionParsnip: it made a logfile where this error is mentioned. Also, I just ran the installer from website, did not download an ISO image.
[15:33] <brianl> ActionParsnip, yep, maybe this button needs to be pressed on startup or something, ill mess around with it ;) Thanks anyways
[15:33] <ActionParsnip> cholo: upgrade or dist-uprade from beta2 and you will have the stable releasae
[15:33] <Dr_Willis|2> hsh902:  that made no sence.. rephrase the question.
[15:33] <cholo> outstanding
[15:33] <hsh902> sudo apt-dist upgrade
[15:33] <cholo> i have been using each alpha and beta.
[15:33] <Monotoko> I take it the torrents will be faster if I want to completly reinstall..?
[15:33] <ActionParsnip> byomkeshbakshi: without knowing if the image you have is good, you are wasting your time
[15:33] <cholo> i spoke with gnome2 developers at MIT last week
[15:33] <KM0201> hsh902: it's 11.04   and it will be supported for 18mo
[15:33] <Dr_Willis|2> Monotoko:  for downloading the iso's right now. toirrents are real fast.
[15:33] <cholo> er, gnome3 developers, last week
[15:33] <niels1> how come my intel laptop screen is just turned off? and how do I turn it on?
[15:34] <byomkeshbakshi> ActionParsnip: hmm, ok. Can you suggest proper way of installation?
[15:34] <eigba> How do you guys like unity? I know I will have to try it myself, just wanting to get opinions
[15:34] <cholo> and gnome3.2 will have on-screen keyboard (for you [and i] with tablet pc's)
[15:34] <ActionParsnip> !md5 | byomkeshbakshi
[15:34] <hsh902> Dr_Willis|2: today they just released the new version of 11.4? do u know when exactly?
[15:34] <cholo> eigba: its a great shell.
[15:34] <jatt> eigba: -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/648180
[15:34] <ActionParsnip> eigba: why do you need opinions? Do you want to  be told what to thhink?
[15:34] <Avasz> niels1, more details?
[15:34] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, any Idea how to compare the installed versions with the repo versions and how to downgrade the packages?
[15:34] <Dr_Willis|2> hsh902:  you mean the time? No idea.. donrt really care or pay attention to it.
[15:34] <ToeKutter> its called "Theme". I found it. thanks noone
[15:34] <ActionParsnip> eigba: it'sok. I suggest you install it and use it, you can always remove it
[15:34] <IncognitoMan> http://pastebin.com/1GwpDYip can anyone help me with my dial in problem? it seems to disconnect just as i connect :|
[15:34] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: apt-cache policy <package>
[15:35] <Incarus6> ToeKutter, your welcome
[15:35] <cholo> then +ban list in #ubuntu is quite facist.
[15:35] <eigba> Of course not I like to try out new things just wanted opinions
[15:35]  * Dr_Willis|2 sends ToeKutter the bill.
[15:35] <eigba> who the hell said I want to be told what to think
[15:35] <niels1> the scree is just turned of, like Ubuntu thinks it's closed or someting, it's just recognised, but switched of. Avasz
[15:35] <faylcon> just insalled 11.04 and it doesn't support my wireless card: BCM4318, 10.10 on another partition works just fine.
[15:35] <thegoodcushion> Anyone here using a Hewlett-Packard Deskjet 2000 with Ubuntu?  I'm thinking of buying one for my Ubuntu box and I want to know if it'll work well
[15:35] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, and for several / all packages?
[15:35] <ToeKutter> :-)
[15:35] <eigba> I honestly love gnome 3, but its always fun to try out new things
[15:35] <ActionParsnip> eigba: it smells the same
[15:35] <jdahm> why doesn't ubuntu push bittorrents more?
[15:35] <cholo> they do
[15:35] <jdahm> it is far easier to download
[15:35] <misse-> niels1: Hey, regarding your blank laptop screen + intel gpu.. there is some magic kernel option which I entered in grub on my moms laptop, at least for 10.04.
[15:35] <ActionParsnip> eigba: its a small download and easy to remove, try it and youo might like it
[15:35] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: maybe just try aptitude full-upgrade       and see what it reports
[15:35] <LjL> jdahm: we do...
[15:36] <Monotoko> IncognitoMan...how are you trying to connect...via command line?
[15:36] <cholo> its great to download.
[15:36] <jatt> eigba: or you might hate it
[15:36] <evfool> does anyone know how to contact someone from the canonical shop?
[15:36] <JediMaster> btw for those who want to do-release-upgrade a bit faster, check out the archive mirrors: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[15:36] <evdvelde> hi all, bluetooth troubles after upgrading to natty: adapter not found after booting (needs extra service restart) and bluetooth mouse moving and scrolling but not clicking... your help is appreciated!
[15:36] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, I tried that before, nothing happens (Im currently install ubuntu-desktop)
[15:36] <niels1> and how do I do that, misse-?
[15:36] <Incarus6> *installing
[15:36] <jdahm> LjL: I don't see it on the main page.  I had to go to "alternative downloads".  Is that right?
[15:36] <MK``> How's 11.04? :)
[15:36] <jdahm> LjL: I'm dlownloading it via torrent now
[15:36] <Avasz> niels1, laptop or desktop?
[15:36] <LjL> jdahm: well... we push it on IRC, at least.
[15:37] <niels1> Avasz laptop
[15:37] <eigba> Of course I have many boxes to try it on, just wanted to see what people here thought. From most reviews ive read people hate it. again trying it out is not the problem for me.
[15:37] <ActionParsnip> MK``: been fine here for months
[15:37] <Monotoko> torrent download is fast :D
[15:37] <MK``> Cool. I'll be torrenting it soon
[15:37] <Incarus6> MK``, it could be great, if you are able to install it ;)
[15:37] <bakanub> Somehow natty doesnt like my notebook. Native resolution is 1280x800, but Natty only allows me to choose 1024x768 (the rest is simply cropped). VGA is an integrated intel mobile gm965/gl960. Liveusb and a clean install gives the same result. Tried nomodeset - helped with the resolution, but lost unity
[15:37] <Avasz> niels1, sleep?
[15:37] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: yeah, Im not sure.  I also like to run `sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^`  with the ^
[15:37] <zzecool> hmmmm does anyone knows where is the Adobe AIR 2 package ????
[15:38] <cholo> dist-upgrade is not required
[15:38] <hsh902> is it correct? sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:38] <hsh902> ?
[15:38] <Incarus6> bakanub, does that issue only appear in unity?
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> Monotoko: lots of seeders ;)
[15:38] <cholo> sorry, is not working
[15:38] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, with the ^?
[15:38] <MK``> I probably won't upgrade just yet but I'll seed the torrent
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> hsh902: yes
[15:38] <niels1> what u mean, sleep? It's working now, I'm actually chatting to you on my laptop using an external screen Avasz.
[15:38] <bashelina> if you choose unity can you switch to gnome 2  at gdm ?
[15:38] <Monotoko> ActionParsnip...I usually seed for a few weeks when I've downloaded :)
[15:38] <jdahm> LjL: I'm probably switching to
[15:38] <MK``> I do want to upgrade however as the new kernel fixes a hardware bug for me
[15:38] <jdahm> LjL: eh sorry one sec
[15:38] <bakanub> Incarus6 the problem only is with 11.04. 10.10 worked out of the box
[15:38] <Avasz> niels1, oh.. you mean you have connected an external monitor?
[15:38] <Soothsayer> [TK]D-Fender: you around
[15:38] <Soothsayer> ?
[15:38] <Dr_Willis|2> bashelina: gnome 2 is the classic desktoip in the gdm menuis
[15:38] <jdahm> LjL: I'm probably switching to ubuntu because everyone at work runs it :P  (instead of arch)
[15:38] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: yes
[15:38] <Monotoko> I swear I've never seen this channel so busy
[15:39] <eigba> jdahm, Arch users here too
[15:39] <ActionParsnip> Monotoko: its one seed I always keep, Everything else I give 1 back. I also have a tiny text doc from a snes rom file to show idiots that ratio is worthless
[15:39] <Incarus6> bakanub, yes, 10.10 wasnt using unity by default. you used gnome before, right?
[15:39] <Dr_Willis|2> Monotoko:  typical release day. happens every 6 mo. :)
 IncognitoMan...how are you trying to connect...via command line? --> pretty much
[15:39] <LjL> jdahm: i recommend using !metalink myself
[15:39] <yellow7> how do i update from 11.04 beta to the official release?
[15:39] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, one minute ;)
[15:39] <IncognitoMan> its my dc pc server setup
[15:39] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer: Already answered yes the first time...
[15:39] <zzecool> does anyone knows where is the Adobe AIR 2 package ????
[15:39] <niels1> yeah, and that one works, Avasz, but the laptop screen itself is blank (but recognised, and configured in "monitors" settings) disconnecting my external doesn't help.
[15:39] <Bisu[Shield]> how do I run the output of a string as a command. eg run >> ( history | grep ssh )
[15:39] <Radios> im running slack 13.37
[15:39] <IncognitoMan> dreamcast -> pc -> eth
[15:39] <Avasz> niels1, then.. there are some shortcut keys in your laptop to have dual screen... mine is fn+f7. not sure what its in yours.
[15:39] <Dr_Willis|2> yellow7:  if you update normally.. it will do that.
[15:39] <bakanub> Incarus6, yes
[15:39] <Incarus6> yellow7, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:39] <td123> yellow7: just do a normal update
[15:39] <jdahm> LjL: what do you mean?
[15:39] <ToeKutter> Unity doesnt run in VMWare... blah..
[15:40] <Avasz> niels1, but dont try that combination without being sure.
[15:40] <Monotoko> ActionParsnip...any idea how I seed it from this computer when I install natty?
[15:40] <brianl> ActionParsnip, I got it working now ;D I booted into windows, turned the wireless on, then booted back into linux and it worked.
[15:40] <Dr_Willis|2> ToeKutter:  try the unity-2d desktop then.
[15:40] <niels1> Avasz, it is in dual screen mode, my laptop actually tinks it's on, it just isn't.
[15:40] <cholo> ToeKutter: Gnome3 does not run in VMWare on Fedora Beta and Ubuntu Beta
[15:40] <ToeKutter> Dr-Willis - what do I need to do for that?
[15:40] <cholo> Its not Unity.
[15:40] <cholo> do i need to change any sources for upgrading beta2 to official release
[15:40] <cholo> *sigh*
[15:40] <Dr_Willis|2> ToeKutter:  install the proper package I guess.. ive just read about the unity-2d stuff using qt.
[15:41] <ActionParsnip> Monotoko: you could add the torrent and get the file created, then kill the app and replace the partial file with the completed file, you will then seed it
[15:41] <ToeKutter> k. ill snoop around
[15:41] <Ubuntu_user> Wow 11.04 released
[15:41] <Dr_Willis|2> cholo:  no you do not.
[15:41] <Avasz> niels1, try some combination with fn.. and function keys with monitor type pic on it.
[15:41] <Monotoko> ActionParsnip...that's what I was thinking, thanks :)
[15:41] <Ubuntu_user> any tried it? hows it?
[15:41] <Dr_Willis|2> cholo:  if you installed/used beta. the normal update/upgrade/dist-upgrade will update you to the filnal release.
[15:41] <brianl> Can someone tell me what the difference between update-manager and sudo apt-get update is? when i run the apt-get command it just says done, but when i use update-manager it has tons of stuff that i need to update
[15:41] <Dr_Willis|2> !final
[15:41] <remoteCTRL3> hi guys! i need some sort of linux app that helps me shrink 3MB jpegs to 150KB jepegs, any ideas please?
[15:41] <ActionParsnip> brianl: cool, I suggest you go into device manager and tell windows to not allow the device to wake up the OS, and disable power management on it
[15:41] <cholo> i dont see any notifications for Final Release
[15:41] <cholo> when i do dist-upgrade and re-check via Update Manager GUI
[15:42] <ToeKutter> Dr Willis - its in Software center
[15:42] <hiexpo> remoteCTRL1, gimp
[15:42] <cholo> should i select the source "proposed Natty"
[15:42] <Dr_Willis|2> cholo:  perhaps there is no update that 'final' is out.. since it just sees it as a set of normal uypdate dpackages.
[15:42] <ToeKutter> "Unity 2D Panel"
[15:42] <arand> cholo: I guess you have it then
[15:42] <Incarus6> cholo, dist-upgrade wont show release notifications, try "update-manager"
[15:42] <remoteCTRL3> hiexpo: erm... maybe smothing that does not require an academical title...?
[15:42] <Monotoko> I don't think it shows a release notification
[15:42] <ChogyDan> cholo: try update-manager -c
[15:42] <Monotoko> just a lot of packages
[15:42] <ChaosR> lol, bug, enabling sync to vblank results in epic slowness
[15:42] <cholo> -c right?
[15:42] <Incarus6> cholo, did you use the beta version before?
[15:42] <Monotoko> it did when I was testing 10.10
[15:42] <cholo> dddYeah
[15:42] <IncognitoMan> hmm...
[15:43] <likewhoaho2> Brb, I just farted out a butt turd
[15:43] <Ubuntu_user> hows 11.04,
[15:43]  * IncognitoMan scratches head
[15:43] <cholo> hmm
[15:43] <Incarus6> cholo, so its updating like normal package updates, not like a release upgrade
[15:43] <niels1> Avasz that doesn't do anything besides freezing the one I have...
[15:43] <cholo> I have used Alpha nd Beta etc..
[15:43] <Dr_Willis|2> cholo:  so you proberly are updated then
[15:43] <LjL> !metalink > jdahm    (jdahm, see the private message from ubottu)
[15:43] <cholo> I am on Beta2
[15:43] <cholo> Hmmph
[15:44] <evdvelde> hi all, bluetooth troubles after upgrading to natty: adapter not found after booting (needs extra service restart) and bluetooth mouse moving and scrolling but not clicking... your help is appreciated!
[15:44] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, should I retry to upgrade after that command (which I didnt run yet)
[15:44] <nijabo> I tried an update, didn't get many updates at all.. like 700kb
[15:44] <cholo> do you think it has changed a bunch?
[15:44] <cholo> hey evdvelde : do sudo killall bluetoothd ; bluetoothd
[15:44] <Monotoko> cholo, go to "Help" then "About"
[15:44] <cholo> i think this bug will get fixed soon.
[15:44] <Ubuntu_user> I always face grub problem when Win 7 and Ubuntu dual boot
[15:44] <cholo> Monotoko:.
[15:44] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: I think
[15:44] <Monotoko> and see if it says anything about Beta
[15:44] <arand> !final | cholo
[15:45] <cholo> ok
[15:45] <jdahm> LjL: see it.  Thanks
[15:45] <evdvelde> cholo: on restarting the service (/etc/init.d/bluetooth restart) adapter is found, but the mouse acts strangely
[15:45] <Ubuntu_user> any solution
[15:45] <nijabo> thanks arand
[15:45] <escott> Ubuntu_user, need more information
[15:45] <nijabo> Didn't find any upgrades, suppose my system is up-to-date
[15:45] <cholo> evdvelde: yeah there should be some changes via PPA
[15:46] <urbanpt> Hi!
[15:46] <cholo> i had some issues with Broadcom 2.0's
[15:46] <evdvelde> cholo: so i just have to pray and wait for updates? :)
[15:46] <flo> what about the energy consumption of memory? say, running latexila uses only 5,7 MB, the same docs in gedit take 47,5 MB, however. is there a difference in the energy software "consumes"?
[15:46] <cholo> (which is unacceptable)
[15:46] <ScreenIssues> Question: Upgraded 10.10 to 11.04. Screen was black on reboot. Downloaded the new 11.04 iso to clean install. Installer is too dim on monitor (new laptop) to install. Is there a solution?
[15:46] <cholo> evdvelde: no, just look for a patch/fix
[15:46] <evdvelde> cholo: been looking, the kernel with patch failed as well
[15:46] <cholo> ScreenIssues: Use the function key + Fx key
[15:47] <cholo> evdvelde:  it is not a kernel issue.
[15:47] <ScreenIssues> Fx key?
[15:47] <Ubuntu_user> escott:  Yep when i install both together in different drives I face this problem. As soon as i start windows and restart the computer it shows me black screen written that grub found no operating system and so on
[15:47] <cholo> i think it is a userspace patch
[15:47] <escott> flo not really it still gets clocked regularly
[15:47] <Monotoko> guys: "If you have been keeping up-to-date via the update manager, you automatically have the latest version, the Release Candidate. To do it via the command line, just enter"
[15:47] <evdvelde> cholo: http://fossplanet.com/f10/%5Bbug-700292%5D-%5Bnew%5D-bluetooth-keybord-after-natty-upgrade-not-working-92191/index2.html
[15:47] <Monotoko> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=574326
[15:47] <bkerensa> Ubuntu Natty repos seem so slow.... 99kbps downloads ugh
[15:47] <cholo> hmm
[15:47] <Monotoko> bkerensa, it will be
[15:47] <cholo> bkerensa: change the source
[15:47] <azi`> i have installed an application (adobe AIR) that is only supported on 32 bit ubuntu. now i've noticed that there is no sound in *.air applications. is there any way I could check if there is some i386 sound library that is missing?
[15:47] <brianl> im getting 20mb/sec eh
[15:47] <nijabo> bkerensa, many people are updating now perhaps
[15:47] <jnye> silly question.. how do i move the new launcher to the right hand side of the screen?
[15:47] <brianl> kb/sec i mean lol
[15:47] <cholo> i use use an Internet2 downloader
[15:48] <DirtyDawg> great when trying the new ubuntu the screen goes so dim i cant see it :(
[15:48] <philsf> hi. since yesterday I don't have a pidgin indicator in the messaging menu. How can I re-enable it?
[15:48] <Ubuntu_user> brianl:  thats too good
[15:48] <Incarus6> bkerensa, change repos to a local server instead of the general server
[15:48] <Monotoko> do they have torrent repos..?
[15:48] <cholo> use ubuntu.media.mit.edu/ubuntu
[15:48] <jatt> jnye: you cannot
[15:48] <escott> Ubuntu_user, so grub loads but can't chainload windows? or after a windows boot grub can't load anything
[15:48] <brianl> Ubuntu_user, I meant kb/sec
[15:48] <cholo> they do not have torrent repos
[15:48] <urbanpt> I'm not very familiar with the new upstart manager, but I needed to have a job running after each time mysql is restarted. I've added the script path to /etc/init/mysql.conf on the post-start script part but it didn't work. Any hints?
[15:48] <Monotoko> damn :(
[15:48] <jatt> jnye: you cannot hide it either
[15:48] <bkerensa> Has anyone tried Classic Session on Natty? I dont wanna use the Unity Integrated menus.
[15:48] <Ubuntu_user> brianl:  ohhh sudden
[15:48] <tim__> hi! first of all: congrats on the new ubuntu, seems like a great release!
[15:48] <ChogyDan> Monotoko:  http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[15:48] <cholo> bkerensa: Classic will be phased out next 11.11 release
[15:48] <invinciblemutant> has anyone here successfully upgraded from 10.10 using do-release-upgrade
[15:49] <Ubuntu_user> escott:  i think windows does something
[15:49] <jnye> jatt: that's anonying.. i'm on a dual screen setup with virtualbox on the right.. i can't get the launcher to pop up easily since my mouse moves to the other monitor
[15:49] <bkerensa> cholo: Are you kidding me?
[15:49] <brianl> cholo, why is that?
[15:49] <shermanboyd_> could anyone tell me what the state of softraid is in 11.04, I think the docs I am reading are out of date
[15:49] <bkerensa> cholo: So they are forcing people to use integrated menus
[15:49] <invinciblemutant> cholo: gnome to be phased out?
[15:49] <tim__> only have one problem though: i have an hp mini 210 and although all problems i had to conquer on 10.10 have been solved, one remains: the touchpad gives a lot of problems when for example wanting to select things
[15:49] <ChogyDan> cholo is just trolling folks
[15:49] <MK``> I predict a GNOME 3 Gubuntu derivative around the time of the next release.
[15:49] <Tristantio> I don't use menus (I use hotkeys like CTRL ALT F for firefox).  Is there any point for me to go 11.04?
[15:49] <arand> cholo: That decision is not finalised, but expected I think.
[15:50] <zaid_h> owdy folks
[15:50] <phoque_uni> can I use my keychain if I copy my ~ directory to a new/old Ubuntu install?
[15:50] <Ubuntu_user> Is any body using Ubuntu with Windows 7
[15:50] <berefeira> unity on netbook, what say you?
[15:50] <philsf> hi. since yesterday I don't have a pidgin indicator in the messaging menu. How can I re-enable it? I've been using natty since beta
[15:50] <MK``> Yeah Ubuntu_user
[15:50] <tim__> it's very jumpy. have been looking for solutions again but honestly ive tried so many things from synaptics that im pretty confused :)
[15:50] <Amanda> Hello. I'm writing an upgrade guide and do-release-upgrade failed with some errors/asked me to report it as a bug. I can do that, but I was wondering if there are any compelling reasons not to have people mangle sources.list manually and do it the old fashioned way to get around this
[15:50] <Monotoko> Ubuntu_user...XP and Ubuntu, whats up?
[15:50] <brianl> Ubuntu_user, I have my computer partitioned with windows 7 and ubuntu
[15:50] <MK``> same ^
[15:50] <escott> Ubuntu_user, you need to better explain your problem i dont understand what you are saying is happening
[15:50] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, "libpolkit-gobject-1-0 : Stört: libpolkit-gtk-1-0 (< 0.99) aber 0.96-2ubuntu4 soll installiert werden" sry ik its german, should i translate?
[15:50] <invinciblemutant> i find it is not easy to upgrade to natty
[15:50] <Ubuntu_user> MK``: Monotoko  brianl  are you guys using full install or install inside windows
[15:51] <invinciblemutant> terminated by itself twice
[15:51] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: what command is that from?
[15:51] <bkerensa> Well if they remove the Classic Session option from Natty I will have to go back to Maverick
[15:51] <Amanda> invinciblemutant: Did you have the same problem? :S
[15:51] <Ubuntu_user> escott:  Okay I tell it
[15:51] <MK``> full install Ubuntu_user, separate partitions using the LiveCD
[15:51] <Monotoko> Ubuntu_user..full install
[15:51] <invinciblemutant> same problem?
[15:51] <brianl> I did a full install from boot off the cd, completely separate from windows
[15:51] <Amanda> invinciblemutant: See what I said above haha
[15:51] <flo> escott, what's clocking?
[15:51] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^"
[15:51] <jatt> jnye yeah it as also a lot of issues with dual monitors stuff too
[15:51] <shermanboyd_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReliableRaid
[15:51] <invinciblemutant> amanda: you have the same problem too?
[15:51] <nazo> could anybody please tell me where I can find an md5sum for the 11.04 desktop image listed on the website?
[15:51] <invinciblemutant> amanda: have you got the solution?
[15:51] <nazo> thanks
[15:51] <bkerensa> I do not like this integrated menus stuff.... It reminds me when MS added the crayola crayon of a taskbar to XP
[15:51] <Amanda> invinciblemutant: Nope :(
[15:52] <Ubuntu_user> MK``:  So Win 7 don't create any problems with booting
[15:52] <invinciblemutant> amanda: have you got any idea from the room?
[15:52] <berefeira> has anyone run apt-get dist-upgrade and had problems?
[15:52] <arand> Amanda: do-release-upgrade does that and disables PPAs etc. in addition, it also creates opens SSH for recovery purposes I think, but in essence yes, editing sources is fully possible, but you have to know what you're doing, obviously...
[15:52] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: is that the only error?  or just the last?
[15:52] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, the only error
[15:52] <MK``> Ubuntu_user: nope, works fine. Although, after I installed ubuntu, the final character of all the passwords of user accounts on windows 7 were cut off, *no idea* how that occured.
[15:52] <invinciblemutant> i use do-release-upgrade
[15:52] <Monotoko> Ubuntu_user...I have done some Ubuntu/Win 7 installs...what's the issue? If you install Win7 first, then shrink the parition from the live CD and install from there it's usually okay (Windows 7 may need a disk check)
[15:52] <[Soma]> Anyone figure out how I can make the app launcher in Unity NOT auto-hide?!  Im restarting the upgrade thing
[15:53] <shermanboyd_> I'm looking for information on the current state of software raid in ubuntu, is it on par with rhel yet?
[15:53] <[Soma]> also, alt-tabbing between programs doesn't work anymore. :S
[15:53] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: ok, can you translate for me?  :)
[15:53] <vibhav> Is the CD bug fixed??
[15:53] <invinciblemutant> i think natty should be renamed to nasty
[15:53] <jatt> hehe
[15:53] <bkerensa> ChogyDan: So if they remove Classic from Natty will there be a solid workaround to scrap Unity for Gnome 2
[15:53] <flo> shetlandpony, clocking
[15:53] <flo> ?,
[15:53] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, "libpolkit-gobject-1-0 : Disrupt: libpolkit-gtk-1-0 (< 0.99) but 0.96-2ubuntu4 should be installed"
[15:53] <ChogyDan> bkerensa: classic is part of natty already
[15:54] <Amanda> arand: Okay so doing it that way isn't going to break 349805 things or anything unless of course someone messes it up? :P
[15:54] <invinciblemutant> this is the first time i fail upgrade with ubuntu
[15:54] <flo> ! clock
[15:54] <flo> ! clocking
[15:54] <exchgr> does anyone know how i can use a mirror for upgrading to natty? this is slooooow
[15:54] <Incarus6> !clock
[15:54] <bkerensa> ChogyDan: Yeah but apparently they plan to remove the Classic option in future releases and force Unity
[15:54] <Incarus6> flo, ?
[15:54] <flo> !clock
[15:54] <escott> flo system clock is generating signals to dram at X megahertz. don't think dram knows it is empty so it always refreshes
[15:54] <escott> ie no change in energy usage with memory usage
[15:55] <ActionParsnip> exchgr: all mirrors will be "slooooow", it's release day. Think about it
[15:55] <nick87720z> Please, help me to upgrade distro from lucid
[15:55] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: you could try aptitude upgrade libpolkit-gobject-1-0        see what options it gives
[15:55] <nick87720z> I have ubuntu based distro
[15:55] <thegoodcushion> Okay guys I'm thinking of buying a HP Deskjet 2000 for Ubuntu so I can print out color-coded source code using gedit.  Any last thoughts before I plonk the money down?
[15:55] <exchgr> ActionParsnip, yes, but wouldn't at least one of them be less slow?
[15:55] <nick87720z> Update manager from gnome just don't show new releases
[15:55] <ActionParsnip> nick87720z: you will either need to upgrade to maverick, then to natty OR do a clean install of natty
[15:55] <arand> Amanda: Or if you have a really messy system with lots of additional repositories which messes things up, it should be fine otherwise yes, but the other methid is the recommended one, obviously.
[15:55] <flo> escott, i think i understand. so energy saving is a little difficult with the pc turned on, isn't it? (except for the screen, perhaps)
[15:55] <nick87720z> ah
[15:55] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, nothing. nothing to install, nothing to fix, ...
[15:55] <m4k> Can any one help me why this shell script running in loop http://pastebin.com/y9jHX201
[15:55] <nick87720z> I checked to show only lts releases
[15:56] <nick87720z> Is it possible?
[15:56] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, let me try the upgrade
[15:56] <invinciblemutant> u can use do-release-upgrade
[15:56] <zzecool> unity is the FAIL
[15:56] <ActionParsnip> exchgr: i'd say they will ALL be slow as a LOT of users are upgrading. If you torrent the alternate natty ISO you can do an offline upgrade but you will then need to upgrade natty to the latest packages which will take more time
[15:56] <escott> flo various components can be turned off/spun down. the chip can run slower the harddrives spun down, you may be able to turn off your network card etc, but not ram usage. install powertop it can optimize for battery life
[15:56] <bkerensa>  ChogyDan: Yeah but apparently they plan to remove the Classic option in future releases and force Unity
[15:56] <IncognitoMan> Monotoko: did you get my last message? and if so did you answer it? ( its starting to become hard to catch up lol )
[15:56] <Ubuntu_user> MK``:  escott  check this http://pastebin.com/BGPe1yUw
[15:56] <Monotoko> nick87720z: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1140198
[15:56] <shermanboyd_> does anyone in here boot from a softraid 1 or 10 with ubuntu?
[15:57] <exchgr> ActionParsnip, they should set up a torrent-based apt
[15:57] <Monotoko> you need to change it so it will show "normal" releases
[15:57] <escott> Ubuntu_user, win 7 doesn't like being messed with
[15:57] <ActionParsnip> exchgr: true, I use apt-fast, it's sweeet
[15:57] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: ok, go for it.  but maybe libpolkit-gtk-1-0 is the problem package
[15:57] <pigdad> So I started the Ubuntu install CD, pressed "try ubuntu" and nothing happened
[15:57] <exchgr> ActionParsnip, wtf is that? *googles*
[15:57] <pigdad> Is that a bad sign?
[15:57] <Amanda> arand: Awesome, thanks!
[15:57] <Ubuntu_user> escott:  what i researched, i found that win 7 creates problem with grub
[15:57] <escott> Ubuntu_user, did you shrink win7 and move the start of the partition, or just shrink it and keep the start of the partition where it was
[15:57] <Sidewinder1> I have searched and searched...Could any supply me with the hash (md5sum) for: Natty, 11.04 i386 desktop.iso I have been seeding it for 2:47 and the hashs don't agree.
[15:58] <while> i have a question . i am currently running windows 7 and ubuntu 10.10 in a dual boot system and i would very much like to reinstall ubuntu 11.04 over the current ubuntu i`m running without messing up my MBR or the GRUB ... can someone tell me how can this be done ?
[15:58] <Monotoko> pigdad...what do you mean by "nothing happened"?
[15:58] <MK``> Ubuntu_user: I never had it mess with my grub installation.
[15:58] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, yeah that could be, but apt-get install -f doesnt show up any dependency errors
[15:58] <nick87720z> yeah, thanks
[15:58] <Astalaseven> pigdad, did you do this in a other os?
[15:58] <pigdad> Monotoko: It stalled for a long while and just continued showing the window
[15:58] <flo> !powertop
[15:58] <nick87720z> Strange, that it needs special actions in command line
[15:58] <pigdad> Monotoko: I should specify. This is booted into the CD.
[15:58] <usr13> pigdad: Did you check your iso for integrity?
[15:58] <pigdad> usr13: Hm, I'll do that once I reboot
[15:58] <escott> while, just reinstall, it should just put the newer grub on top of the old one. if you need to backup your grub.conf do that prior to the install and then you can merge you special config back in
[15:59] <Monotoko> pigdad...can you move around the menu beforehand?
[15:59] <Monotoko> if so go to "check CD"
[15:59] <Ubuntu_user> escott: I just shrinked my second drive D:/  to a new partition of 50 GB, then divided it into 3 partitions
[15:59] <while> escott, thank you i just needed a confirmation
[15:59] <Monotoko> or whatever it says
[15:59] <Lars_G> Hmmm Why can't I get into ubuntu+1?
[15:59] <[Soma]> how do I customise all the things that unity messed up without asking me? (navbar on top instead of bottom, app launcher set to auto-hide, etc)
[15:59] <Lars_G> or is 11.04 final already
[15:59] <Lars_G> ?
[15:59] <[Soma]> I'm going insane here
[15:59] <LjL> Lars_G: because Natty is out, so the channel has been closed
[15:59] <pigdad> Monotoko: The menu didn't show up. I opened a terminal window by switching to a VT and running gnome-terminal
[15:59] <Lars_G> Ok
[15:59] <ActionParsnip> Lars_G: yes
[15:59] <Lars_G> LjL: Then I'll ask here.
[16:00]  * Incarus6 thinks 11.04 is much more important then a royal wedding
[16:00] <escott> Ubuntu_user, i don't have any problems with the config now, but but i did have numerous assorted problems that required multiple restores of win7 and reinstalls of ubuntu
[16:00] <Ubuntu_user> MK``:  you lucky one, google it millions out there facing this problem
[16:00] <Monotoko> pigdad...so you get as far as X opening?
[16:00] <pigdad> But yeah, I'll check the disk for integrity. I torrented the iso so chances are it's OK, but maybe it burned wrong
[16:00] <Lars_G> Has Xorg dropped the use of /etc/X11/xorg.conf altogether? and I don't mean the change made long ago whereas it was optional, I mean wether it has stopped considering it compeltely
[16:00] <Sidewinder1> Incarus6, +3
[16:00] <pigdad> Monotoko: Correct
[16:00] <pigdad> Monotoko: X opened, and stuff runs correctly, the shell just didn't load
[16:00] <ChogyDan> bkerensa: who knows.  It might be their goal, but it is best to wait till after the UDS
[16:00] <Monotoko> pigdad...you should be able to check the logs to see what went wrong
[16:00] <agrab> Are there 3 drivers available for ati/amd-cards? the default "radeon" driver, fglrx and the catalyst driver?
[16:01] <mnoyce> Spotted a bug in the 11.04 disk partition part of the installer. No longer lets you type a mount point. You can only select from the drop-down list of options.
[16:01] <escott> Lars_G, pretty much, you can still create one but xorg is mostly autoconfiged these days
[16:01] <MK``> Ubuntu_user: yeah :( you can probably fix grub with a liveCD, these guys can help, I am not an expert
[16:01] <biffbaxter> No mini iso yet for 11.04 but it looks like the rest is there
[16:01] <usr13> escott: WHen you restored win7, you also needed to reinstall ubuntu?
[16:01] <Ubuntu_user> escott:  i am not able to get a solution
[16:01] <ActionParsnip> biffbaxter: wanna bet
[16:01] <vladi> anyone have issues running vmware player/workstation after the upgrade?
[16:01] <Monotoko> usr13...you will need to reinstall GRUB
[16:01] <Monotoko> because Windows will use its bootloader
[16:01] <escott> usr13, all I had was a restore image, not an install disk, it would blow away the entire partition table
[16:01] <Monotoko> but not Ubuntu itself
[16:01] <usr13> Monotoko: Oh yea, I  know.
[16:01] <Lars_G> escott: I created one long ago, to setup my synaptics touchpad, but since the last update in +1 to final (I guess it's final now), I can't use the mouse and synclient says the driver's not even installed
[16:01] <ActionParsnip> biffbaxter: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[16:01] <Holek> is there a configuration backup for compiz after upgrade?
[16:01] <Lars_G> escott: So I'm thinking xorg is ignoring the file.
[16:01] <agrab> which drivers are available for ati-cards?
[16:02] <Ubuntu_user> MK``:  but it will become a daily issue to fix grub each time u run window
[16:02] <bkerensa> ChogyDan: How can I change repos when doing a natty upgrade so the download process if faster
[16:02] <ActionParsnip> Lars_G: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:02] <escott> Lars_G, it shouldn't ignore the file, check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:02] <usr13> escott: I didn't think win7 would re-quire you to re-partition the HD?  (But I don't know for sure...)
[16:02] <Lars_G> escott: There's no mention to the driver on the log at all
[16:02] <jatt> where are the iso's md5sums
[16:02] <ActionParsnip> Holek: how do you mean?
[16:02] <ActionParsnip> !hashes
[16:02] <escott> Lars_G, try reinstalling it
[16:02] <urbanpt> I'm not very familiar with the new upstart manager, but I needed to have a job running after each time mysql is restarted. I've added the script path to /etc/init/mysql.conf on the post-start script part but it didn't work. Any hints?
[16:03] <Sidewinder1> Thanx AP
[16:03] <ToeKutter> what is "..a Qt-based implementation.." mean ?
[16:03] <escott> usr13, if you restore a backup image the entire disk gets restored
[16:03] <agrab> are there more than 2 drivers available for ati-cards?
[16:03] <Lars_G> escott: Though, it does say it's reading xorg.conf in the log
[16:03] <jatt> the 11.04 hashes are not there
[16:03] <escott> Lars_G, the synaptics driver that is
[16:03] <arand> !upstart | urbanpt
[16:03] <Lars_G> escott: I will
[16:03] <escott> Ubuntu_user, what are your win7 reinstall options
[16:03] <Holek> ActionParsnip: I had my configured Compiz and with the upgrade Ubuntu basically trashed all the configuration I had
[16:03] <Lars_G> escott: Since I see no error even in the log
[16:04] <jatt> unity doesn't use compiz
[16:04] <biffbaxter> !ActionParsnip - that iso is not the current build. I dowloaded it a week ago and its the same one and the datestamp is 21April
[16:04] <Ubuntu_user> escott: please explain
[16:04] <arand> jatt: http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/
[16:04] <Holek> I am not on Unity
[16:04] <flo> escott, thank you! that's a point to start from. just browsed a bit through ubuntusers.de on those energy-saving hints.
[16:04] <[Soma]> someone please help me, I'm going insane with unity. how do I change that the app-launcher on the left is NOT auto-hide but constantly visible so it doesn't take me ages to switch between apps. also, how do I enable alt-tabbing between apps, and how -- for the love of god -- do I customise the top navbar (the part with the time etc in it)
[16:04] <usr13> escott: Oh, I see.
[16:04] <ActionParsnip> jatt: http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/MD5SUMS
[16:04] <Sidewinder1> ActionParsnip, I checked the link you graciously gave...It hasn't been updated. :-( No hash for Natty
[16:04] <vladi> anyone have issues running vmware player/workstation after the upgrade?
[16:04] <ActionParsnip> jatt: I'll see if I can update it
[16:05] <yeik> I get the feeling today is going to be a busy day.
[16:05] <arand> jatt: Unity uses compiz.
[16:05] <lugkhast> [Soma]: Auto-hiding can be disabled through CCSM
[16:05] <ts145nera> hello, is dangerous upgrade kubuntu maveric to natty?
[16:05] <ScreenIssues> Trying to install 11.04 from DVD, installer is too dim to read. Laptop screen dim function keys do not do anything. Is there a way to boot the installer in to some sort of safe graphical mode?
[16:05] <Ubuntu_user> escott:  what windows 7 install options?
[16:05] <lugkhast> [Soma]: Also, moving your mouse to the top-left corner instantly shows the left dock
[16:05] <KrisDouglas> ScreenIssues, you may be better off using the alternate install disk.
[16:06] <ScreenIssues> I'll give that a go
[16:06] <KrisDouglas> That's a text based installer, it could be that the live disk does not fully support the backlight control on your computer.
[16:06] <wolfjb> I'm getting a segfault when installing nspluginwrapper on natty amd64. is there a way around this? flashplugin_installer won't install until nspluginwrapper is completely installed
[16:06] <usr13> ScreenIssues: alternate CD is the non-gui one.
[16:06] <Roasted_> Is there an official download of 11.04 2d?
[16:06] <escott> Ubuntu_user, well there are lots of ways Win7 can get broken. bootloader which might be fixable with the windows 7 rescue disk (you can download that). or Win7 can start thinking that there is some kind of hardware change and get stuck on PnP during boot. and a thousand other things, so I just kept reinstalling Win7 from my backup image on a USB drive until I managed to somehow not break it. took a couple attempts, but I found that wh
[16:06] <escott> ile I could safely resize the ntfs partition I could not then move it
[16:06] <KM0201> Roasted: yes, its out
[16:06] <yxz97> http://pastebin.com/p2HraCWq
[16:06] <yxz97> please help
[16:06] <arand> Roasted_: 2d?
[16:07] <Roasted_> KM0201, but 2d in particular?
[16:07] <Roasted_> arand, unity 2d
[16:07] <yxz97> cannot start vuze in ubuntu
[16:07] <[Soma]> lugkhast: but what annoys me deeply is that first I have to navigate the pointer to the top-left, then the launcher pops out, and then I still have to select the app I wanna switch too. I wanna be able to click on it instantly. but thanks, I'm installing ccsm!
[16:07] <Roasted_> arand, I installed ubuntu on my cr-48 and its running kind of sluggish
[16:07] <loseweighttttttt> is windows server any good?
[16:07] <yxz97> any idea?, please check the pastebin URL i posted..
[16:07] <Roasted_> I remember there being a 2d
[16:07] <KM0201> Roasted: oh, 2d.. id on't think so.
[16:07] <arand> Roasted_: It can be installed, but is not default in any release no.
[16:07] <arand> Roasted_: apt-get install unity-2d
[16:07] <arand> Roasted_: And select it at login
[16:07] <escott> yxz97, looks like you are trying to run a 64bit program on a 32bit system
[16:08] <Roasted_> arand, so that'll allow me to have 3d and 2d available?
[16:08] <ActionParsnip> Holek: then use your own backups, or just resetup the WM
[16:08] <escott> yxz97, or that you have a 32bit jvm on a 64bit system. what is Azureus
[16:08] <arand> Roasted_: Yes, choose at login.
[16:08] <yxz97> its a bittorrent client
[16:08] <yxz97> but I want all 32bits
[16:08] <yxz97> no mess
[16:09] <Ubuntu_user> escott:  I am sure win 7 is intact only ubuntu grub is deleted or something
[16:09] <ActionParsnip> !info azureus
[16:09] <Holek> ActionParsnip: the thing is, I didn't do any, and with any other configuration file it always asked me if I'm okay with changes being made...
[16:09] <escott> yxz97, something is 64bit did you download/install a 64bit version of Azureus or a 64bit JVM
[16:09] <ts145nera> hello, is dangerous upgrade kubuntu maveric to natty? How many time?
[16:09] <ActionParsnip> yxz97: azureus is in the repos
[16:09] <avij> ipv6.torrent.ubuntu.com seems to complain that the "requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker" when downloading the various ubuntu-11.04-*.iso files. could someone please authorize the ubuntu isos to that ipv6 tracker?
[16:09] <jbwiv> oh my word people...who decided on such a white theme for the ubuntu.com page? Please, please, put a background in place which is easier on the eyes...that damned thing looks embarrassing. I thought the page was broken at first
[16:09] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, still isntalling
[16:09] <Ubuntu_user> escott:  I am sure win 7 is intact only ubuntu grub is deleted or something
[16:09] <phoque_uni> what's the difference between i386 and amd64, other than the 4GB limit?
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> Holek: then all I can sugest is you reset it up, I also suggest you review your backup regime to include the compiz settings
[16:10] <Sylphid> hey all....having a problem with front panel audio, if i start audio it everything defaults to rear panel however if i run aplay /some/audio.wav and start another track durring the aplay it goes to the front panel, any tips on how to toggle between front and back panel only?
[16:10] <escott> Ubuntu_user, grub would install over the mbr and then try to chainload the win7 loader on its partition, but that loader may have hard coded addresses for other components of the windows boot which may have moved during the resize
[16:10] <econdudeawesome> howdy all!
[16:11] <arand> phoque_uni: Performance, and the ~3.2G limit is only for individual applications if you use PAE.
[16:11] <ActionParsnip> phoque_uni: each process can use more than 4Gb RAM, extra features enabled in the CPU
[16:11] <phoque_uni> hm
[16:11] <escott> Ubuntu_user, the combination of resize + replacing the windows mbr bootloader could break the win boot requiring either a win7 reinstall or the use of win7 rescue cd to fix the boot process
[16:11] <yxz97> ok, iḿ installing it from the repos now
[16:11] <econdudeawesome> Is there anyway to remove all GUI's from my Ubuntu install and just use it similar to Ubuntu Server? I built it up from ubuntu minimal, but cannot upgrade to 11.04 so I just want to scrap the gui.
[16:11] <arand> phoque_uni: 64bit is faster in almost all cases.
[16:11] <phoque_uni> ok
[16:11] <ActionParsnip> phoque_uni: heavy computatinal thins like video encoding will be faster, regular desktop stuff will not see any noticable speed change
[16:11] <walent> can someone help me
[16:11] <phoque_uni> will go with 64 bit then
[16:11] <Ubuntu_user> escott:  yes thats true, what  people are saying over ubuntu forums, windows does something with MBR
[16:11] <LAcan> does anyone know how I take my NIC out of monitor mode or restart it?
[16:12] <walent> how do i install slovak language on ubutnu, i already installed english
[16:12] <Holek> great
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> arand: for standard desktop stuff the increase is negligible
[16:12] <CELEBRATE> h
[16:12] <CELEBRATE> hi
[16:12] <Holek> and now I get segfault on emerald, toio
[16:12] <Holek> too*
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> Holek: emerald is no longer maintained
[16:12] <Ubuntu_user> escott:  maybe 11.04 has some solution to it
[16:12] <escott> econdudeawesome, uninstall Xorg and all Xlibs should remove everything else. be aware many command line tools have guis and might get pulled in
[16:12] <phoque_uni> somehow I can't get this stupid USB Thumbdrive to be recognised by my BIOS
[16:13] <CELEBRATE> mirrors: http://www.computerhilfe-forum.com/board75-snowlinux-de-das-neue-projekt/1450-linux-snowlinux-1-cold-gnome-32-bit-released/
[16:13] <LAcan> walent, system/adminstration/language support
[16:13] <econdudeawesome> thanks escott--I know my command line tools, so that should work alright. Should I reboot first?
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> phoque_uni: ask in ##hardware
[16:13] <econdudeawesome> escott: rather: boot into a command line?
[16:13] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, !#%$& still not working
[16:13] <Holek> ActionParsnip: so, where can I change current window decorator options?
[16:13] <escott> econdudeawesome, you can just Ctrl-Alt-F1
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> Holek: ccsm or simple-ccsm
[16:13] <LAcan> Holek, right click the desktop, last option
[16:13] <walent> LAcan, i did but its sort of greyed out
[16:14] <LAcan> walent, then u need to install the language pack from ubuntu software center
[16:14] <necrotik> Hi all having a bit of a problem. I just got a nvidia gt 430 to hook up ubuntu to my tv. I set the sound settings to use HDA Nvidia Digital Stereo (HDMI) but I do not hear anything coming out of my tv.
[16:14] <LAcan> does anyone know how I take my NIC out of monitor mode or restart it? escott?
[16:14] <escott> Ubuntu_user, doubt it the problem seems to be with win7 get the rescue cd and see if it can fix
[16:14] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user, whats the problem you are having?
[16:14] <Eduard> guys, does anybody know, if broken dependency  problem with nvidia-96 was fixed in 11.04?
[16:14] <escott> LAcan, iwconfig won't do it for you
[16:15] <operatorplik> ukuykluilk
[16:15] <LAcan> escott, just "iwconfig"?
[16:15] <escott> iwconfig wlan0 mode Auto
[16:16] <LAcan> escott, ty ty
[16:16] <Ubuntu_user> escott:  tried it i completely restored window too with dell recovery cd but nothing same screen again, but when i repaired ubuntu with live CD everything was solved
[16:16] <Ubuntu_user> LAcan: check it http://pastebin.com/BGPe1yUw
[16:16] <TerryBook> necrotik:  you've checked volume and mute settings on both TV and computer?
[16:16] <necrotik> Yes.
[16:16] <emilkje> does anyone know if a dist-upgrade will ruin LAMP + RVM + Passenger?
[16:17] <necrotik> TerryBook I get sound from the cable box, i used alsamixer to unmute everything
[16:17] <Holek> ActionParsnip: LAcan: okay, but ccsm doesn't give me themes, and desktop preferences give me just preloaded themes with no configuration options
[16:17] <Monotoko> ....I need some disks >.< this always happens on release day
[16:17] <TerryBook> ok.  what sort of hdmi cable are you using?
[16:18] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user, Holek u have a nvidia?
[16:18] <necrotik> TerryBook, the cabley kind?
[16:18] <Ubuntu_user> LAcan:  ATI
[16:18] <LAcan> Holek, that is normal behaviour. if you want more theme configuration you have to install tweak ubuntu or ccsm for compiz
[16:18] <Holek> LAcan: nope, integrated Intel
[16:18] <ActionParsnip> Holek: not sure about "themes" it usually uses the GTK theme you set
[16:18] <TerryBook> hdmi on both ends?  one cable all the way through, or is there a connector in the middle?
[16:18] <necrotik> One cable.
[16:19] <Roasted_> So I just installed Unity 2D on my netbook, but I want to make the icons of the dock smaller. So I went into compiz to go to the plugin to make them smaller and this plugin is disabled. How can I make the icons smaller on unity 2d?>
[16:19] <LAcan> Holek, however u should be able to turn on effects thru that method i described
[16:19] <Ubuntu_user> LAcan: does that matter
[16:19] <ActionParsnip> Roasted_: press ALT+F2   and run:  r      may help
[16:19] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user, is ubuntu using the nvida drivers?
[16:19] <TerryBook> which hdmi port on the tv are you using?  some tvs don't have sound support on all hdmi connections.  don't ask me why, it gave me trouble when I used to install DirecTV for people
[16:19] <Roasted_> ActionParsnip, just... r?
[16:19] <escott> Roasted, omgubuntu had something on that recently try googling their site
[16:20] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user, sorry u are having the booting issue correct? the pastebin from earlier?
[16:20] <TerryBook> also, that said, are you using nvidia-current?
[16:20] <Holek> LAcan: I just want to customize my window decorator, everything else I am setting already in ccsm, I cannot change window decorator theme via ccsm
[16:20] <necrotik> •TerryBook• I unplugged the port the cable tv was using, so it should have sound, the cable did.
[16:20] <ActionParsnip> Roasted_: yeah, should reset things (works in debian), or just restart X server
[16:20] <freaky[t]> does anyone else have an ATI Raden HD 5850?
[16:20] <Ubuntu_user> LAcan:  no when i install ubuntu newly it just says download and install ati drivers
[16:20] <Roasted_> ActionParsnip, what am I resetting? I'm on unity 2d now... I just want to change the icon size smaller than default.
[16:20] <LAcan> Holek, in ubuntu natively thru the theme option in right clicking should allow you a) pick a theme and b) pick the level of desktop effects. this does in fact work correct?
[16:20] <escott> LAcan, Ubuntu_user was having problems booting windows not ubuntu if I understand him correctly
[16:21] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user, ok, so we need to fix your boot settings?
[16:21] <maximus_> Hey. I'm about to install Natty, i have 2 hdd's, will I get any performance boost if i put everything on hda except /usr and swap (which i will put on hdb)?
[16:21] <Ubuntu_user> escott:  yep true,
[16:21] <TerryBook> necrotik:  the only other thing I can suggest at this point is driver-related.  are you using nvidia-current, and have you checked the NVidia settings?
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> Roasted_: the X server, may help
[16:21] <Holek> LAcan: yes, it does, but my point is, I don't want to "choose", I want to do my own
[16:22] <LAcan> maximus_, its  good idea to put the swap on a physically seperate volume
[16:22] <escott> maximus_, your fastest setup is raid0 stripped
[16:22] <necrotik> •TerryBook• I don't know how to check the nvidia settings, but I'm using the restricted driver the driver tool wanted to activate.
[16:22] <Bluebill-Wolf> ello
[16:22] <LAcan> Holek, ok, thats above my paygrade, your gonna need a them builder or whatver.... have you tried tweak ubuntu? it has many visual tweaks available
[16:22] <maximus_> escott - hard drives are different sizes...)=
[16:23] <Holek> LAcan: is it in the repo?
[16:23] <pingus_> :)
[16:23] <nealmcb> at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NattyUpgrades#AlternateUpgrade it says to   gksu "sh /media/cdrom/cdromupgrade"   but the natty cdrom doesn't have a cdromupgrade file.  What's up?
[16:23] <DexterLB> hello. I have been given a laptop with radeon x1200, and I have to get 3D accel working in the next 3 hours, or I won't get paid :D
[16:23] <zatan> Hi, why I cant update to Natty Narhwal throught update-manager-d ?
[16:23] <LAcan> Holek, tweak ubutu should be, or the PPA is easily findable thru google... but i think its in the native repos yes
[16:23] <TerryBook> necrotik:  assuming you're still in 10.04 or 10.10 and gnome, it's in the System/Administration menu, as 'NVidia X Server Settings'
[16:23] <DexterLB> I've tried so many things, and I've almost given up hope
[16:23] <escott> maximus_, you can still strip up to the common size and have the rest for swap or large files (not that I recommend stripping)
[16:23] <pingus_> Hiiiiiiii
[16:24] <necrotik> •TerryBook• That contains no sound settings AFAIK
[16:24] <akerr> !log 10
[16:24] <escott> DexterLB, and you have installed all the fglrx drivers
[16:24] <ts145nera> Is dangerous upgrade kubuntu maveric to natty?
[16:24] <somethinginteres> DexterLB: rundown of what you've tried?
[16:24] <DexterLB> fglrx doesn't seem to work with that chip, nothing in ubuntu's hardware driver suggestions and envy isn't available on maverick
[16:24] <neckoox> Hi ! I have a question : do DNS servers tell on which port to connect when we request a website ? Or is it ALWAYS port 80 and we have to set a redirection on an another port if the webserver is set elsewhere ?
[16:24] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user, still here? can you mount your window drive in ubuntu?
[16:24] <escott> neckoox, dns only tells where the server is nothing about ports
[16:25] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan:  sorry for disconnection
[16:25] <LAcan> neckoox, dns does not include port information
[16:25] <neckoox> escott: thx
[16:25] <maximus_> ~escott - where can I read up about that..dont want to bother anyone with asking how to do that..
[16:25] <DexterLB> neckoox, escott: I tried installing all the fglrx packages, it says no supported hardware
[16:25] <TerryBook> necrotik:  someone else might be able to better help you, then
[16:25] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user, u can mount your windows drive in ubuntu?
[16:25] <escott> maximus_, mdadm documentation
[16:25] <neckoox> LAcan: ok x
[16:25] <Pici> DexterLB: fglrx does not support that chipset. The open source drivers should work fine. (they do on my x1400)
[16:25] <necrotik> •TerryBook• k thanks!
[16:25] <Roasted_> Is there any hope in sight for dual screen systems with unity being able to choose which screen the dock is on?
[16:25] <escott> DexterLB, is the x1200 super old?
[16:25] <DexterLB> escott: yup
[16:26] <econdudeawesome> Well, I removed my GUI, but now my color scheme is the purplish-grey of bootup for Ubuntu. How do I modify my color to something more acceptable?
[16:26] <DexterLB> Pici: does it have 3D?
[16:26] <escott> maximus_, feel free to pm if you have mdadm questions
[16:26] <somethinginteres> Roasted_: wouldn't it display on the display set as primary?
[16:26] <Pici> DexterLB: Yes.  I wouldn't expect to be able to play games on it, but compiz works fine.
[16:26] <Roasted_> somethinginteres, the beta did not.
[16:26] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan:  so how to fix boot records
[16:26] <Roasted_> somethinginteres, it just forced the dock to the far far left, no matter how you stacked your monitors.
[16:26] <DexterLB> Pici: hmm, compiz here says No GL
[16:26] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user, by answering the questions :) Can you mount your windows drive in ubuntu? can you see your windows files?
[16:27] <somethinginteres> Roasted_: perhaps you should lodge a bug report.. seems like that'd affect many people
[16:27] <Roasted_> somethinginteres, so for me it was a PITA, because my main monitor is on the right. So my unity dock defaulted to the left... but my left monitor is just for watching news, weather, IMs, email, etc. So I hate to have to swing way over to use that dock.
[16:27] <Roasted_> somethinginteres, well I heard it was a work in progress. But this was 2 weeks ago. I wasnt sure if anything had changed.
[16:27] <necrotik> w00t i got sound
[16:27] <maximus_> escott thanks, will give it a look at. btw, never used IRC, how do i reply just to you? what am i supposed to put infront of the name?
[16:27] <econdudeawesome> Does anyone know how to change the initial color scheme for the command line?
[16:27] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan: yes
[16:28] <somethinginteres> Roasted_: there's a new version of unity out that hasn't landed, that changes a number of things e.g. "Home Folder" to "File Manager". Maybe it is fixed in there
[16:28] <Pici> DexterLB: Can you check your xorg log to see what driver you are using?
[16:28] <Roasted_> somethinginteres, will that be part of regular system updates, you think?
[16:28] <Pici> Roasted_: You really should log a bug.
[16:28] <Roasted_> Pici, one exists I believe.
[16:28] <escott> maximus_, /msg
[16:28] <somethinginteres> Roasted_: I had hoped it would be out by now, I am sure it will come in regular updates at -some- time. Not sure when
[16:28] <necrotik> Ok if I type aplay -D plughw:1,9 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav I hear sound in my tv. Anyone know what the next step is?
[16:28] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, ok, thats good :) so when you boot, u get the grub boot menu yes? the one which allows you to choose ubuntu?
[16:29] <juzzy_> hi
[16:29] <juzzy_> i have upgraded to 11.04
[16:29] <Bluebill-Wolf> btw does anyone know if nortan antivirus is capatiable with Ubuntu?
[16:29] <juzzy_> how may i turn on "unity" now?
[16:29] <Roasted_> Bluebill-Wolf, no, it's not. Thank GOD.
[16:29] <PhoenixSTF> natty looks like Macintosh
[16:29] <LAcan> Bluebill-Wolf, hello no
[16:29] <escott> econdudeawesome, do you mean the colors of the prompt  ($PS1 in .bashrc) or the background colors (right click on terminal and manage the profiles)
[16:29] <maximus_> escott_, awesome, thanks (=
[16:29] <Roasted_> PhoenixSTF, no, it doesn't.
[16:29] <PhoenixSTF> Roasted, yes it does
[16:29] <PhoenixSTF> LOL
[16:29] <Roasted_> PhoenixSTF, I have been on Ubuntu since 2005. Ever since day one people have found a way to say it looks like Mac.
[16:29] <Bluebill-Wolf> myh . . . wait a min what do you mean "thank god?"
[16:29] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan:  Yes i get it till the time i dont start windows, the moment i did,  on next restart i face this problem
[16:30] <Roasted_> PhoenixSTF, while the global menu is similar to mac, it's not the exact same. that is the *only* similarity. In other words - no, it does not.
[16:30] <Roasted_> Bluebill-Wolf, because norton sucks. horribly.
[16:30] <econdudeawesome> escott: I know longer use terminal--the CLI for the OS
[16:30] <nick87720z> failed to upgrade to 10.10 :( i found topic, where it is discussed. Imho, it would be nice to allow to resolve problems , e.g., via synaptic (it it allowes).
[16:30] <PhoenixSTF> Roasted, it looks more like mac than actualy look like maveric
[16:30] <somethinginteres> Roasted_: the latest version that's landed in user updates is 3.8.10 but 3.8.12 is up on Launchpad. Hopefully it'll be available soon
[16:30] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, wait im confused... on that menu there was an option for ubuntu and for windos7 yes?
[16:30] <Bluebill-Wolf> what would you reccemend in its place?
[16:30] <PhoenixSTF> Roasted, I cant even find the system options like before
[16:30] <escott> econdudeawesome, then you need to edit your .bashrc
[16:30] <Roasted_> PhoenixSTF, well, no kidding... because maverick is a different version of ubuntu.
[16:31] <Roasted_> PhoenixSTF, well, yeah. it's a totally different interface.
[16:31] <theholder> any reason i can't update to ubuntu 11.04
[16:31] <John_Gate> I just installed natty narhwal on an "old" IBM laptop with 1,86GHz and ATI graphics. In the "Additional Drivers" application it it sais that no proprietary drivers are in use. Are there proprietary drivers that are better than the default ones, and if so, how do I get them?
[16:31] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan:  yes first three were related to ubuntu and fourth was for windows 7
[16:31] <Roasted_> PhoenixSTF, with gnome moving towards gnome shell, we would have had to make the change at some point regardless. ubuntu just went with unity instead, which is very similar to gnome shell anyway.
[16:31] <coz_> theholder,  are you on 10.10 right now?
[16:31] <electronicboy_> i think that ubuntu 10.10's installer is faster that 11.04's :D
[16:32] <tie-joe> Hello
[16:32] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, ok. but once you selected windows, the NEXT TIME you booted, the ubuntu boot menu was gone, and instead you got "no OS found"?
[16:32] <coz_> electronicboy_,  unless you use the minimal install cd
[16:32] <PhoenixSTF> Roasted, totaly, is quite simple, very simple, i got to give credit to the dev team, but its way more complicated to get the system stuff that we need
[16:32] <somethinginteres> John_Gate: Usually natty should tell you about extra drivers. Try running "additional drivers" yourself
[16:32] <Sidewinder1> Hi tie
[16:32] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan:  EXACTLY, you got the point
[16:32] <cdavis> how do I add remmina to the panel on 11.04? Or how do you add anything to the panel
[16:32] <H4VK1> how can I su into a user and be able to launch graphical applications?
[16:32] <escott> LAcan, Ubuntu_user_'s problem seems to be internal to Win7. grub is chainloading and win7 boot process is busted (happens from time to time when you resize ntfs)
[16:32] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, hrmm ok thats weird.
[16:32] <PhoenixSTF> Roasted, at least the menu stuff, otherwise terminal will be just fine
[16:32] <electronicboy_> minimal install cd?? isnt that the alternate cd?
[16:32] <somethinginteres> John_Gate: use the dash to search for "additional drivers" and run that and see how it goes
[16:32] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan:  really it is
[16:32] <econdudeawesome> escott: How would you change the background color then?
[16:32] <Roasted_> PhoenixSTF, the important thing is to be open minded. I HATED unity and gnome shell. I used gnome shell at the end of last summer and I hated it. But you know... I used it more. I got to know it. And now that unity is here I'm using it more too.
[16:32] <coz_> John_Gate,   run  jockeyt-gtk
[16:32] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, ok so how did you boot into ubuntu THIS time?
[16:32] <[diablo]> afternoon all... does anyone please know how in 11.04 (Ubuntu Classic), I can get the widget scroll bars not to do that annoying hiding, it's been driving me crazy
[16:33] <Bluebill-Wolf> as far as an antivirus what would you guys reccomend?
[16:33] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan:  i am on windows
[16:33] <escott> Ubuntu_user_, oooh thats different you mean you can boot Win7 but then you have no bootloader afterwards?
[16:33] <John_Gate> somethinginteres: I start "Additional Drivers" but no drivers are displayed in the list..
[16:33] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, Ok.. how did you manage to boot windows if "no OS found"?
[16:33] <Roasted_> PhoenixSTF, it'll take time. there will be headaches, frustrations, etc. But this is a unique opportunity for linux as a whole to provide a new interface that people can interact with differently than windows and mac could ever hope to. love unity or hate it, love gnome shell or hate it, both offer great features i fyou give it the time to adjust.
[16:33] <Roasted_> PhoenixSTF, that's my opinion, at least.
[16:33] <coz_> [diablo],  oh you mean that scroll bar overlay thingie|
[16:33] <TerryBook> necrotik:  I just found this via google, it may help:  http://theironlion.net/blog/2010/09/20/ubuntu-lucid-nvidia-and-hdmi-sound/
[16:33] <aleksey> привет народ
[16:33] <[diablo]> hi coz_ yep thats the one
[16:33] <Ubuntu_user_> escott:  yes
[16:33] <escott> econdudeawesome, google for bash color prompt
[16:33] <tie-joe> I need help.. my  sound wont work.
[16:34] <arand> !ru | aleksey
[16:34] <somethinginteres> [diablo]: try uninstalling the package "overlay-scrollbars"
[16:34] <ruan> quick question about natty, when will it ask me between classic gnome and unity?
[16:34] <ruan> while upgrading
[16:34] <PhoenixSTF> Roasted, I never used gnomeshell so its quite a shock for me, but yes i will adapt, anything is better then windows IMO, it was just a bit of a shock, gonna take me some time to adjust
[16:34] <somethinginteres> [diablo]: sorry "overlay-scrollbar"
[16:34] <escott> Ubuntu_user_, you have two disks yes? windows on sda and ubuntu on sdb. did you know where grub was installed? sda or sdb?
[16:34] <coz_> [diablo],   are you on the unity desktop or classic,,,?? you said classic ...yes?
[16:34] <Sidewinder1> Bluebill-Wolf, You might take a look at ClamAV
[16:34] <arand> ruan: No, you need to chose it at login
[16:34] <Roasted_> PhoenixSTF, like I said, I hated unity and gnome shell for weeks. many weeks.
[16:34] <ruan> arand: thanks
[16:34] <ruan> was wondering
[16:34] <Roasted_> PhoenixSTF, but now that I'm getting used to it, I'm turning into a little bit of a fanboy :P
[16:34] <[diablo]> somethinginteres coz_ im in classic... not a fan of Unity at all
[16:34] <meisth0th> ruan, but gnome won't be an option later
[16:35] <coz_> [diablo],  are you also running  compiz?
[16:35] <ruan> meisth0th: i'll be using gnome3 if they force unity
[16:35] <Sidewinder1> Bluebill-Wolf, I believe that it's in the repositories.
[16:35] <[diablo]> coz_, yep
[16:35] <nealmcb> Re: my /media/cdrom/cdromupgrade question - this only works for the alternate install cdrom....
[16:35] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan:  After problem i put Live CD in and reinstalled ubuntu, that repaired bootloader, then booted to windows deleted the drives of ubuntu and used mbr repair utility to clear all ubuntu records
[16:35] <ruan> meisth0th: if g3 doesnt work, then kde
[16:35] <escott> econdudeawesome, unless you want a non-black framebuffer background... and I have no idea how that is done
[16:35] <PhoenixSTF> Roasted, xD will I hatting it for now, in the future ok i might like, but i miss the menus! god how i miss the menus!!!!!!
[16:35] <H4VK1> how can I su into a user and enable graphical applications? (like shh'ing with the -x command)
[16:35] <meisth0th> ruan, i don't think any of desktop environments isn't on the way to good :)
[16:35] <coz_> [diablo],  ok open ccsm,, I believe we have a plugin at the bottom of th e list for that    although I havent tested it ,, sam put one in there  ,, give a try by either disabling it or clicking on it to see available options,, I cant get into it right now
[16:36] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, ok download a freeware app called "EasyBCD" for windows
[16:36] <tie-joe> I need help   i have no sound!
[16:36] <Ubuntu_user_> escott:  yes i have two drives on same HDD, but dont know where grub went
[16:36] <bigbrovar> I have been unable to install kubuntu natty on my hp probook 4420 laptop, livecd always hangs while loading :/
[16:36] <[diablo]> coz_, ok sweet... thanks yeah
[16:36] <escott> Ubuntu_user_, you mean you have 1 drive and two partitions
[16:36] <somethinginteres> John_Gate: it would appear you're out of luck, try joining the channel #ati to ask for help
[16:36] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan: used the same one
[16:36] <cdavis> How do you add somethign to the panel in natty?
[16:36] <ruan> bigbrovar: and classic install(alternate)
[16:36] <ruan> bigbrovar: ?
[16:36] <Ubuntu_user_> escott:  yes
[16:36] <Holek> ActionParsnip: okay, now that I disabled metacity, it looks better
[16:36] <ruan> !alternate
[16:36] <coz_> [diablo],  let me know if you can adjust it from there
[16:36] <John_Gate> somethinginteres: that for that channel, I will join it!
[16:36] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, ok, then make sure your windows menu looks legit then add an entry for your ubunut partition...
[16:36] <root_> hey
[16:37] <bigbrovar> ruan: I haven't tried but I doubt that would work, it seems to be a kernel issue
[16:37] <[diablo]> coz_, yeah just checking now
[16:37] <escott> H4VK1, unclear what you mean. gksudo doesn't work?
[16:37] <Sidewinder1> !sound > tie-joe
[16:37] <bigbrovar> ruan: during any *buntu install the system hangs even before the bootsplash is done loading
[16:37] <Holek> ActionParsnip: but still doesn't give me any way to customize it
[16:37] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan:  so you want to say i should boot windows after installing ubuntu then go to widows boot.ini and add a ubuntu record there
[16:38] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, no, win7 doesnt use boot.ini
[16:38] <NOC> need help .. may i ask?
[16:38] <birdybee> so, just upgraded to natty on my laptop, and i can't seem to activate nvidia drivers for acceleration anymore...
[16:38] <escott> !help | NOC
[16:38] <[Soma]> Anyone got any idea how I can add a "view workspace" button to my app launcher in unity? And also, how do I customise the size of the top-bar (with my username, the time, etc in it)
[16:38] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, i want you to boot windows and using EasyBCD add an entry for "linux" in its options
[16:38] <nitroxidus> Hi.I have 11.04 beta 2 installed how do i upgrade to 11.04 rc
[16:38] <[diablo]> mmmm coz_ cant seem to find it
[16:38] <Logan_> !final | nitroxidus
[16:38] <[diablo]> coz_, in ccsm
[16:38] <coz_> [Soma],   the worspace switcher  should do that
[16:38] <The-Kernel_> I ran out of space in "/" is there a safe way to alocate some space from /home to "/"?
[16:38] <echo2> how do i get unity working in vmware
[16:39] <nitroxidus> ok
[16:39] <coz_> [diablo],  ah darn,,  let me check ,, hold on
[16:39] <NOC> i need to enable email sending from my fresh ubuntu sending from apache php webpage .. what should i do?
[16:39] <Logan_> !vmware | echo2
[16:39] <ruan> The-Kernel_: gparted from a livecd
[16:39] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan: okay i would do that, but tell me one thing will it also make that location primary to check first for OS's
[16:39] <[Soma]> okay, coz_ , then what about the top nav bar? I'd love to have that at the bottom, and a lot bigger than it is. I'm on 1920x1080 and it's *tiny*
[16:39] <PhoenixSTF> ok guys i need some help, How do i put the System Resources um on the bar?
[16:39] <NOC> should i install mailserver?
[16:39] <ActionParsnip> nitroxidus: just run your upgrades and you will get it
[16:39] <escott> The-Kernel_, ehhhh not really. if they are adjacent you could boot the live cd and shrink/move/grow partitions as needed
[16:39] <Bluebill-Wolf> hmm is ClamAV freeware ?
[16:39] <The-Kernel_> ruan, that won't destroy my data?
[16:39] <ruan> Bluebill-Wolf: yes
[16:40] <coz_> [diablo],  sorry ,, I am on 10.10 right now and my ccsm   /  libc  is bad in  11.04  so I cant access  ccsm from there
[16:40] <GuataPeluda> hello
[16:40] <ruan> !info clamav
[16:40] <Wickk> I upgraded to 11.04 this morning and since when running under unity/gnome2 none of my windows get their window decorations drawn
[16:40] <ActionParsnip> The-Kernel_: remove unnecessary kernels to save lots of space
[16:40] <Bluebill-Wolf> much obliged
[16:40] <escott> The-Kernel_, but its really time-consuming
[16:40] <coz_> [diablo],   check in synaptic to see if the compiz-plugins extra are installed
[16:40] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, windows really likes to be primary, so your best bet is yo use windows boot menu and ad an entry that points to your ubuntu partition... then when u boot u can pick either OS or switch between grub and winload.exe
[16:40] <ActionParsnip> Wickk: what video chip?
[16:40] <[diablo]> coz_, np ... at least I know where to be looking... many thanks yeah
[16:40] <Wickk> ActionParsnip, ATI HD Radeon 4650
[16:41] <echo2> how do i get unity working in vmware
[16:41] <coz_> [diablo],  as i recal from 2 days ago... there was a plugin for it  but  again I will have to reinstall to find out :(
[16:41] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, basically you want to make an entry for windows in grub (u already have it seems) and make an entry for ubuntu in windows...
[16:41] <Holek> ActionParsnip: that's the level of configuration I'm looking for: http://imgur.com/O4HGK
[16:41] <escott> NOC, install smtp-server
[16:41] <ActionParsnip> Wickk: did you try removing the proprietary driver then reinstalling it after a reboot?
[16:41] <Wickk> ActionParsnip, I have not I'll do that now
[16:41] <Sidewinder1> Bluebill-Wolf, Clamav is in the repositories.
[16:41] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, make sure you are not deleting any entries to either, you are just adding them
[16:41] <Bluebill-Wolf> as in Klam av?
[16:41] <GuataPeluda> hi, I use 10.10 x86 and recently noticed my laptop supports 64bits... is there any way to upgrade to 11.04 64bits from 10.10 x86 with no loss at all?
[16:41]  * LAcan is going for coffee and cigarettes, back in 5.
[16:42] <ActionParsnip> Holek: then install emerald and run:   emerald --replace
[16:42] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan: okay  i am gonna try it with 110.04 today, will you be on irc tommarow
[16:42] <Bluebill-Wolf> its what poped up when in the ubuntu soft center
[16:42] <escott> GuataPeluda, no, do a reinstall
[16:42] <Ubuntu_user_> **11.04
[16:42] <echo2> how do i get unity working in vmware
[16:42] <ActionParsnip> Holek: I don't theme much, it really doesn't interest me so you are asking the wrong guy
[16:42] <coz_> echo2,  I dont think you will
[16:42] <LAcan> Ubuntu_user_, its not a ubunut rpoblem man, its a winload.exe problem. reinstaling ubuntu wont do jack
[16:42] <GuataPeluda> escott thanks
[16:42] <Sidewinder1> Bluebill-Wolf, No, clamav
[16:42] <Holek> ActionParsnip: and that brings me to my first sentence: emerald gives me segfault
[16:42] <Fopp> Hi guys, Im trying to update to 11.04, but when I click upgrade in update manager, I get told "Could not download release notes Please check your internet connection." An suggestions, guys? thanks!
[16:42] <echo2> coz, it's not optional
[16:42] <echo2> vmware supports 3d
[16:42] <echo2> aero, etc works
[16:42] <Logan_> echo2: It is not in the Ubuntu repository, and thus we cannot support it here.
[16:42] <escott> Ubuntu_user_, give the windows rescue cd a try
[16:42] <echo2> what.
[16:42] <nitroxidus> how do i check if im not on ubun tu 11.04 beta 2 i did sudo update and upgrade
[16:42] <echo2> its ubuntu itself
[16:42] <Logan_> echo2: Join #vmware for help.
[16:42] <braadli> hi all - having upgrade issues; I downloaded the alternative iso, hoping to avoid load on upgrade servers (the iso can be got over bittorrent), but when installing it, it still decides to obtain all packages from remote servers and not the mounted ISO or bootable USB made from the ISO. Why?
[16:43] <ruan> !version
[16:43] <Ubuntu_user_> LAcan:  this time dont have any Ubuntu installed
[16:43] <echo2> its your guys fuckin issue
[16:43] <echo2> its not vmwares fault
[16:43] <Logan_> !language | echo2
[16:43] <echo2> 3d is supported, etc
[16:43] <Bluebill-Wolf> Sidewinder1 mind if i pm you i keep loseing track of what your saying
[16:43] <echo2> i can go do the opengl demos etc
[16:43] <echo2> how do i force unity to start
[16:43] <Logan_> !pm | Bluebill-Wolf
[16:43] <ruan> nitroxidus: lsb_release  -a
[16:43] <Ubuntu_user_> escott:  yes had tried it and no boot menu had appeared.
[16:43] <ToeKutter> I cant get the Unity2D panel working in Vmware for anything... blah
[16:43] <Roasted_> Is there a way to adjust Ubuntu so it doesnt require a PW when resuming from suspend mode?
[16:43] <escott> echo2, please watch the language
[16:43] <ActionParsnip> Holek: try renaming the folder holding the emerald config
[16:43] <Sidewinder1> Bluebill-Wolf,  Go rught ahead. :-)
[16:43] <Sidewinder1> right
[16:43] <escott> echo2, make sure you have installed any available guest additions
[16:44] <echo2> i did
[16:44] <mang0> Guys, my ubuntu 10.10 livecd won't install...it won't mount my drives, and it won't connect the internet with my broadcom wifi card (i know the model)....it's very annoying as I  really wanna dump windows LOL. Someone suggested that I try 10.04, but I don't want to burn a new cd. I thought I could use daemon tools to run the .iso, would that work?
[16:44]  * Bluebill-Wolf nods "i'm just trying to make certin i am understanding what is being told to me is clear then i can conferm as well"
[16:44] <spvensko> did they do away with netbook edition for 11.04?
[16:44] <Ubuntu_user_> okay i will create a video of the same problem  and upload it to youtube on my channel. please have a look of it
[16:44] <tashkas> i have problem whit iptv on eth0 its working on eth1 it dont
[16:44] <ActionParsnip> mang0: you don't mount drives, you mount partitions
[16:44] <H4VK1> escott: I didn't know about gksu, it doesn't work though.. I am using it right aren't I? "gksu -u <user> nautilus" -- that just makes a password box pop up then nothing happens
[16:45] <cdavis> How do you add something to the panel in natty?
[16:45] <mang0> okay, well It won't mount my partitions
[16:45] <ActionParsnip> mang0: did you test the CD for defects wen it started to boot?
[16:45] <somethinginteres> mang0: what do you mean by "won't install"?
[16:45] <escott> mang0, broadcom often takes some post install config best to work from ethernet, can you describe your mounting problem better
[16:45] <mang0> okay
[16:45] <mang0> let me write this better in pasteall.org
[16:45] <Fopp> Hi guys, Im trying to update to 11.04, but when I click upgrade in update manager, I get told "Could not download release notes Please check your internet connection." An suggestions, guys? thanks!
[16:45] <ScottONanski> How do I make IRC rooms show up in the Empathy user list?
[16:45] <tashkas> can somebody help me whit iptables farwarding?
[16:45] <escott> H4VK1, what are you trying to accomplish?
[16:45] <Holek> ActionParsnip: $ emerald --replace
[16:45] <Holek> Segmentation fault
[16:45] <Omega> cdavis: open the application and right click on the icon, select "Keep in Launcher"
[16:45] <ActionParsnip> cdavis: do you mean the unity panel on the left or the top panel?
[16:45] <Holek> ActionParsnip: so, no effectr
[16:46] <flipp> Fopp maybe the ubuntu servers are overloaded or you could just check your internet connecntion
[16:46] <cdavis> ActionParsnip: the top panel
[16:46] <Logan_> spvensko: Yes.
[16:46] <ActionParsnip> Holek: try the emerald irc channel (if they have one), or ask in #compiz
[16:46] <ScottONanski> How do I make Irc channels show up in the Empathy user list?
[16:46] <Ubuntu_user_> escott:  LAcan  intrestingly if i install ubuntu using option "Install inside windows" i am able to use both as fine as two windows
[16:46] <Fopp> flipp: well, the internet is fine, hence im here. Its probably the former, since its release day and all. thanks.
[16:46] <Fredje> Hi
[16:46] <ruan> Fopp: as flipp said, connection or server. you can switch your upgrade server though
[16:46] <cdavis> ActionParsnip: I want to add Remminal to the top panel
[16:46] <spvensko> ah, okay, ty Logan_
[16:46] <cdavis> ActionParsnip: s/Remminal/Remmina/
[16:46] <Logan_> spvensko: You're welcome.  11.04 should work just fine on netbooks.
[16:47] <escott> Ubuntu_user_, huh? do you mean wubi. are you trying to install from within a virtual machine?
[16:47] <ActionParsnip> cdavis: not sure, as far asa I've seen its not very changable, if you boot to the normal desktop and start unity then you may be able to add stuff
[16:47] <sturd> trying to install ia32-libs from a ppa (the ubuntu servers are SWAMPED!!), to get utorrent server running, so I can join the mass-share of the Ubuntu iso files.  Transmission just doesn't give a good upload rate in comparison.
[16:47] <NOC> i need to enable email sending from my fresh ubuntu sending from apache php webpage .. what should i do?
[16:47] <ScottONanski> How do I make Irc channels show up in Empathy's user list?
[16:47] <birdybee> apparently, jockey(?) says the drivers are installed, but not activated. but my x log says direct rendering is yes. and nvidia settings says everything is a-ok. glxgears is running, but i can't get unity to load, i just get shunted back to classic 2d
[16:47] <H4VK1> escott: just open nautilus as another user -- I've created a different user as a sandbox so I can hopefully not muck up anything other than a single folder.
[16:47] <Fredje> Has anybody some experience with ltsp?
[16:47] <escott> H4VK1, gksudo will run as root, gksu -u username will ask for that users username
[16:47] <xgt001> hey every1
[16:48] <Ubuntu_user_> escott:  in the end i had given it a try
[16:48] <bilal> congratssss to all natty has been released
[16:48] <Ubuntu_user_> escott:  but all those errors arrived when i install as full using live cd
[16:48] <escott> H4VK1, if you have a shell for the other user you may need to fiddle with xauth to make stuff work, but gksu* will take care of that for you
[16:48] <tashkas> anybody can help me whit iptables??
[16:48] <xgt001> can anybody tell me how to restore aptoncd iso image without burning cd/dvd using a pendrive???
[16:48] <stevie-bash> I do add IP addresses via "ip a add" command from a script. Since this isn't reboot safe I wanted to add the "ip a add" command to rc.local. Is this a good way?
[16:48] <flipp> has anybody seen my usb key? hmpf i think i lost it ... hmm i wanted to install ubuntu via usb but i cant find my usb key .... -.-
[16:48] <GuataPeluda> tonite I'll upgrade to natty =)
[16:48] <Eduard> guys, does anybody know, if broken dependency  problem with nvidia-96 was fixed in 11.04?
[16:49] <xgt001> can anybody tell me how to restore aptoncd iso image without burning cd/dvd using a pendrive???
[16:49] <other_max> hey guys, can anyone tell me how to install ubuntu on a non-ubuntu linux netbook (no CD) with arch linux on it?
[16:49] <cdavis> ActionParsnip: Thanks, I really liked having all of my rdesktop servers in one list. I will look for something else.
[16:49] <Ubuntu_user_> escott:  i think what LAcan  has suggested is gonna work. But will you guys be here tommarow
[16:49] <other_max> or even how do i make an image for USB to boot a linux machine, can't find that on the site
[16:49] <cdavis> other_max: do a USB stick install
[16:50] <other_max> cdavis: i tried, but i can't find a way to put the image on a USB if i don't already have ubuntu
[16:50] <thien> can anyone help me to merge a partition to /home partition
[16:50] <xgt001> other_max: use universal usb installer from pendrivelinux.com
[16:50] <The-Kernel_> I don't think I need 22 kernels
[16:50] <birdybee> hm, correction, additional drivers says the nvidia drivers are activated, but not in use... what does that mean?
[16:50] <birdybee> and how to "use" them?
[16:51]  * LAcan is back.
[16:51] <mick_laptop> anyone know of a mirror for 11.04 server for i386?
[16:51] <mick_laptop> seems like it is down for all mirrors :(
[16:51] <mick_laptop> http://ftp.utexas.edu/ubuntu-iso/CDs//natty/ubuntu-11.04-server-i386.iso
[16:51] <alex__> olek201
[16:51] <mick_laptop> example ^^^
[16:51] <cdavis> other_max: there is program that will help, but I can't think of it. Give me a second...
[16:51] <xgt001> can anybody tell me how to restore aptoncd iso image without burning cd/dvd using a pendrive???
[16:52] <burg> hello. i have ubuntu 11.04 64bit, and network manager (the one from upper bar) sais: wired network: device not managed. how can i make it to manage wired network?
[16:52] <ActionParsnip> The-Kernel_: no, I suggest you remove the oldest ones, you only really need 2, each kernel is about 120Mb
[16:52] <cdavis> other_max: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[16:53] <marel> how do I gain root privilegies so I don't have to type sudo all the time ?
[16:53] <DirtyDawg> does anyone have any ideas as to why 11.04 install is so dim i cant see what it says lol?
[16:53] <ScottR3> marel: su
[16:53] <escott> marel, sudo -
[16:53] <other_max> cdavis: ah yea, tried tht with the last ubuntu version, didn't work (just wouldn't do anything when i started it) but thx i'll try again with 11.04
[16:53] <braadli> hi everyone - has anyone managed to upgrade relying solely on the alternative cd, rather than from the remote upgrade server?
[16:53] <braadli> i'm trying to do so in order to avoid adding load to that server, which is crawling already
[16:53] <ActionParsnip> burg: did you specify the network parameters for the wired link in /etc/network/interfaces by any chance?
[16:53] <other_max> how is 11.04 so far?
[16:53] <usr13> burg: Well, not sure about that one, but you could switch to wicd.
[16:53] <escott> marel, sudo -i sorry
[16:53] <somethinginteres> burg: Right click on network manager click "edit connections"
[16:53] <ActionParsnip> marel: sudo -i
[16:54] <ActionParsnip> other_max: been fine here since alpha 2
[16:54] <andeeeuk> is anyone having problems with their wireless connection at the moment?
[16:54] <arand> DirtyDawg: I would guess at acpi issues, try booting with acpi=off
[16:54] <agrab> Are there 3 drivers available for ati/amd-cards? the default "radeon" driver, fglrx and the catalyst driver?
[16:54] <w30> marel, try sudo -i
[16:54] <somethinginteres> burg: should be able to set it up from there
[16:54] <ScottR3> other_max: unless I can customize some of the options I can't find menus for, I'm going back to gnome2. Biggest complaint
[16:54] <thauriswulfa> can i install ubuntu 11.04 on sys. with 512 ram
[16:54] <DirtyDawg> hmm ok
[16:54] <philsf> I don't have a pidgin indicator in the messaging menu anymore. How can I re-enable it? I've been using natty since beta
[16:54] <cdavis> other_max: I think there might have been a bug I remember. When prompted, don't just hit enter, go into the menu and choose the default. That seems like how I  got around it
[16:54] <birdybee> 11.04 so far has been less than stellar ... :(
[16:54] <escott> ScottR3, su won't work for most people as out of the box there is no root password
[16:54] <andeeeuk> seems as though its on and on
[16:54] <ActionParsnip> agrab: radeon, radeonhd, ati and frglrx
[16:54] <ScottR3> escott: you're right, sorry. forget these things sometimes ;)
[16:54] <other_max> i'm all for a new desktop. kde stinks, gnome not much better. windows and mac desktops barely better. time for change.
[16:54] <vibhav> hi everybody again!
[16:55] <ActionParsnip> other_max: try LXDE :)
[16:55] <vibhav> UNITY ROCKS!
[16:55] <agrab> ActionParsnip, Ah, thanks. which is the better of the proprietary ones?
[16:55] <marel> how do I remove a dir with all contents in it ?
[16:55] <ActionParsnip> agrab: depends on needs
[16:55] <other_max> actionparnsip: i use awesome wm on my arch netbook right now
[16:55] <ruan> other_max: tried gnome3?
[16:55] <other_max> ruan: not yet
[16:55] <escott> ScottR3, np
[16:55] <usr13> burg: You can use iwconfig to manually acquire a network connection and if you want to switch to wicd:  sudo apt-get install wicd ; sudo apt-get remove network-manager
[16:55] <ruan> im going to try it really soon
[16:55] <escott> marel, rm -rf foldernmae
[16:55] <shane4ubuntu> marel: command line?
[16:55] <marel> shane4ubuntu, yeah
[16:55] <ActionParsnip> agrab: for most things the open source driver is fine, if you need full 3D goodness (an your chip is supported by it) then the frglrx driver will be needed
[16:56] <escott> marel, be very careful before doing something like that as root
 If you think it sucks that try to make your own shell, you will realize how difficult it is , so better respect the work done by devels
[16:56] <ScottR3> so I've got a few questions on how to, er, fix some of the customizations unity has taken liberty with
[16:56] <shane4ubuntu> marel: like escott said, rm -rf foldername  be carefull with that though
[16:56] <usr13> andeeeuk: What is your problem?
[16:56] <ScottR3> 1) how do I move the launcher? it's on the left side of my right-hand monitor...
[16:56] <TheXero> Anyone know of a good way to partition ubuntu for a 64GB SSD with a 640GB for storage?
[16:57] <graingert> heya
[16:57] <andeeeuk> usr13: well it seems a bit temporamental
[16:57] <andeeeuk> on and off
[16:57] <vibhav> at last installed 11.04 it rocks!
[16:57] <burg_> i have ubuntu 11.04, 64 bit, with gnome, and i can`t see the top menu(under the title bar) for no application anymore - why?
[16:57] <Sal9000> isn't 11.04 supposed to have unity? i installed it but it just loads gnome...
[16:57] <graingert> on my eeepc 1005PE the touchpad is disabled on the live install
[16:57] <Hedgehog456> Is the Natty upgrade service down?
[16:57] <escott> TheXero, if you mean you have an ssd and a hdd I would put / on the ssd to improve boot and put /home on the hdd
[16:57] <econdudeawesome> Does anyone know how to change the background on the OS CLI? I have read through a few bash how-tos and can't seem tog et it to work--they recommend editing ~/.bashrc, but that is user-specific. It appears I need to edit something more?
[16:57] <braadli> has anybody managed to update to natty without relying on the update server (i.e., on the alternative iso?)
[16:57] <usr13> andeeeuk: Does it just get dissabled or what?
[16:57] <bigbrovar> anyone able to install natty on an hp probook 4420s? all of the buntus I tired frooze while loading :/
 your GPU is not is not enough for unity
[16:58] <escott> econdudeawesome, there is a bash profile in /etc which would be a global option
[16:58] <TheXero> Yeah that's what I meant escott :)
[16:58] <somethinginteres> Hedgehog456: not sure, here in AU the package information doesn't seem to be updating
[16:58] <graingert> Sal9000: try unity-3d
[16:58] <andeeeuk> it does not disable at all
[16:58] <graingert> Sal9000: try unity-2d
[16:58] <TheXero> Logs etc are in /var/log correct?
[16:58] <andeeeuk> just seems very slow
[16:58] <mang0> Okay guys, my post is written: http://www.pasteall.org/21214/text
[16:58] <Sal9000> graingert: oh i might have forgotten to enable 3d in the virtualbox vm
[16:58] <escott> TheXero, yes
[16:58] <fizk_> is everyone getting a slow connection, or is it just me?
[16:58] <Hedgehog456> somethinginteres: Here in Britain my internet connection is fine but Natty won't upgrade
[16:58] <fizk_> upgrading to 11.04
[16:58] <philsf> I don't have a pidgin indicator in the messaging menu anymore (in natty). How can I re-enable it?
[16:59] <usr13> andeeeuk: what is the signal strength look like?  iwconfig | pastebinit
[16:59] <mang0> somethinginteres , escott , ActionParsnip: http://www.pasteall.org/21214/text
[16:59] <shane4ubuntu> fizk_: servers are overloaded, best off downloading the torrent, getting a disk and upgrading that way, alt-disk
[16:59] <ScottR3> fizk_: took me 2.5 hours just to download the packages :-/
[16:59] <cdavis> Is Virtualbox-ose not available for natty? I don't see the repo listed on virtualbox's site
[16:59] <TheXero> I was going to put /tmp on the hard drive, as I only have 6 GB of ram and I host a few vm's as well
[16:59] <burg_> how can i enable title bar menus in all aplications in ubuntu 11.04 ? because i can`t see it anymore. i have gnome
[16:59] <Sal9000> oh, there it is :)
[16:59] <Hedgehog456> Never knew Ubuntu was this popular :D
[16:59] <TheXero> What other partitions should I look at moving to the hard drive?
[16:59] <fizk_> ScottR3, dam
[16:59] <econdudeawesome> escott: is this bash profile in /etc the one that is used at startup?
[17:00] <usr13> andeeeuk: ... and send resulting URL for us to see.
[17:00] <marel> I'm trying to install software that came in a tarball and I've read on forums that first I have to ./configure, however it says no such a file or directory.. What am I doing wrong ?
[17:00] <escott> econdudeawesome, is the color prompt actually what you want? or are you trying to change background colors
[17:00] <econdudeawesome> escott: just the background color
[17:00] <usr13> marel: What exactly are you installing?
[17:00] <econdudeawesome> escott: it's purple, I want to change it to black
[17:00] <graingert> touchpad worked after a reboot
[17:01] <thauriswulfa> folks, plz tell me will natty work properly on pentium 4,3ghz ,512 mb ram system
[17:01] <marel> usr13, python IDE called pyCharm
[17:01] <escott> econdudeawesome, thats going to be something with the framebuffer not bash
[17:01] <fizk_> shane4ubuntu, my download is about 50% done. If I quit now, do I start from 0% later on?
[17:01] <econdudeawesome> escott: how do I change that?
[17:01] <escott> econdudeawesome, dunno google for linux framebuffer set color and see what you get
[17:01] <super8> erge
[17:01] <Pici> marel: Have you checked pycharm's support?
[17:02] <ScottR3> how do I remove the top menu bar from my second monitor?
[17:02] <shane4ubuntu> fizk_:  yep, so you decide, ride it out, or start a torrent for the disk, once you have the disk image, and burn it, you shouldn't have to download more stuff right way
[17:02] <usr13> marel: You can't install via the package manager?
[17:02] <escott> marel, a python program probably doesn't have a configure/make. just look for a .py to run
[17:02] <Sonorus> say me please, update 10.10 to 11.04 works correctly ????
[17:02] <Pici> usr13: Its a commercial application
[17:02] <usr13> Pici: O
[17:03] <braadli> anyone managed an offline upgrade to natty yet?
[17:03] <usr13> marel: You need to install build-essentials and kernel-headers
[17:03] <escott> mang0, its very strange that it can't find the disks. when you boot the livecd and run gparted does it not see your disks?
[17:03] <shane4ubuntu> Sonorus: really depends on the situation, how much extra applications you have installed, and where you installed them from.
[17:03] <mang0> escott no it doesn't
[17:03] <mang0> :/
[17:04] <Sonorus> shane4ubuntu: all application from original repository
[17:04] <escott> mang0, can you tell us a bit more about your hardware or pastebin the output from lspci
[17:04] <TheXero> So how is 11.04 support with multi monitor then?
[17:04] <mang0> yeah
[17:04] <shane4ubuntu> Sonorus: then you probably have a good chance, however I can't really comment on that since I haven't done that.
[17:04] <mang0> I'm writing that now
[17:04] <TheXero> I'm a little hesitant to upgrade from 10.10
[17:04] <ojii> happy natty everyone
[17:04] <tashkas> does abnybody can help me how to open port on ubuntu 10.10 when eth0=wan and eth1=anotherpc, on eth0 i can watch iptv but on eth1 it dont work!
[17:04] <Sonorus> shane4ubuntu: ok, thx
[17:05] <ojii> i forgot again how I can only download (but not yet install) natty on my 10.10, can anyone help out?
[17:05] <shane4ubuntu> Sonorus: one thing to consider, is the servers are very overloaded so, downloading the upgrade packages will take longer than normal, one person said it took them about 2 hours
[17:05] <sweb> after install my GPU on ubuntu Unity will appear with ubuntu classic top bar. i change it into Ambaince but top menu and another menus will not affect http://up.iranblog.com/images/bltz8oqj0xcfxhbg9664.jpg
[17:05] <Sal9000> oh dear this unity surely is a change... ill try to use it a few days and see if i can survive :P
[17:05] <dcweyh> why is 32 bit recommended over 64 bit?
[17:05] <shane4ubuntu> Sonorus: you could download the alt-desktop disk from torrents and then pop that in and upgrade off the disk, perhaps a faster solution
[17:06] <Moc> What will happen to lost of bug in 11.04 ? will only be fixed with 11.10 ?
[17:06] <Moc> What will happen to all the bug in 11.04 ? will only be fixed with 11.10 ?
[17:06] <Fasa> hello all
[17:06] <GuataPeluda> happy Nasty Naughty
[17:06] <escott> dcweyh, works for everyone no "I tried to install a 64bit version on a 32bit machine"
[17:06] <tashkas> does abnybody can help me how to open port on ubuntu 10.10 when eth0=wan and eth1=anotherpc, on eth0 i can watch iptv but on eth1 it dont work!
[17:06] <mnoyce> Not liking 11.04 at all... Going to give it a chance for a week, but I'm just getting frustrated with it at the moment... :-/
[17:06] <dcweyh> ok thanks
[17:06] <ex0a> if i get a package like zend studio which is a binary package, where should i put the directory so that it's in user's paths according to ubuntu "standards"?
[17:06] <Fasa> can anyone help with PtokaX server on Ubuntu
[17:06] <Moc> see lot of open issue affecting me... wonder if I need just to stick to 10.10 until november
[17:06] <KrisDouglas> mnoyce, you aren't alone
[17:07] <sweb> any body answer me ?
[17:07] <escott> ojii, guessing you would have to switch your apt sources, update and then run a normal download packages, and then revert to the old apt sources and update again
[17:07] <shane4ubuntu> mnoyce: you can switch to the classic desktop if you don't like the desktop
[17:07] <greyhatsalafi> those aren't bugs...those are lack of features
[17:07] <Sonorus> shane4ubuntu: ok, try this way
[17:07] <escott> ex0a, no standard for that. ~/bin is sensible though
[17:07] <Bluebill-Wolf> "	Sidewinder1	Then there is no real need for anti-virus in ubuntu; I've done a lot of reading on the subject...You may wish to read this, it's old but still true: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=510812"
[17:07] <KrisDouglas> greyhatsalafi, Agreed, there is just a total lack of reconfigurability
[17:07] <escott> ex0a, unless you want it for everyone in which case /opt
[17:07] <jubei1> hello, i am trying to setup a home server/gateway using linux server 10.04 and 2 NICS
[17:07]  * LAcan nods at Bluebill-Wolf
[17:08] <KrisDouglas> jubei1, go ahead.
[17:08] <mnoyce> shane4ubuntu: I could, but I want to give it a try if this the future of the Ubuntu desktop, just to be fair...
[17:08] <usr13> marel: sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers
[17:08] <greyhatsalafi> KrisDouglas I don't even use ubuntu anymore...i have it installed on my laptop but i triple boot and my main is now CrunchBang...i recommend it...total control and everything works
[17:08] <ojii> escott, ah, i thought there's a apt-get command to do it :(
[17:08] <shane4ubuntu> mnoyce: understood.
[17:08] <Bluebill-Wolf> well i rather have the conversation privite and then post the ruslts :P
[17:08] <gib0t> it is possible to make that very large menu in 11.04 smaller
[17:09] <mang0> right
[17:09] <LAcan> gib0t, menu editor in system/preferences ?
[17:09] <usr13> jubei1: I would suggest a using firewall generator, or just install firestarter
[17:09] <gib0t> LAcan: thx
[17:09] <mang0> escott: http://www.pasteall.org/21215/text
[17:09] <usr13> jubei1: you can do it by hand but...
[17:09] <graingert> does grub support btrfs?
[17:09]  * LAcan nods at usr13
[17:10] <KrisDouglas> greyhatsalafi, I would use crunchbang, but i write software for an office FULL of ubuntu machines
[17:10] <KrisDouglas> in fact 2 offices.
[17:10] <greyhatsalafi> oh
[17:10] <ex0a> escott: /opt is more along the lines i was looking for, but seeing as i'm the only desktop user on this machine i think i was asking more to see if there was a standard.. i'll probably just leave it in my ~ somewhere for simplicities sake.. ty!
[17:10] <KrisDouglas> LTSP, the works.
[17:10] <usr13> jubei1: i.e.  http://easyfwgen.morizot.net/gen/
[17:10] <escott> graingert, some of the newer versions might, but i think it is safer to have an ext4 /boot
[17:10] <greyhatsalafi> hehe...well...hopefully Unity gets the features it needs
[17:10] <graingert> k
[17:10] <RealOpty> morning
[17:10] <RealOpty> is 11.04 using gnome 3 ??
[17:10] <KrisDouglas> greyhatsalafi, yeah, i love the way it is going- I just think they might have landed it a bit /too/ early.
[17:10] <Ruuuumb0> who knows is gnome 3 in ubuntu 11.04 ?
[17:10] <escott> graingert, btrfs on / is not something i would recommend. its a painful experience
[17:11] <KrisDouglas> Ruuuumb0, You can install it, but it breaks Unity
[17:11] <jubei1> hello, i am trying to setup a home server/gateway using linux server 10.04 and 2 NICS, from the server i use eth1 to dial PPPoE to router and can ping out to internet from server. I use eth0 to switch to give access to client PC's. from the clients i can be assigned dhcp from server and can ping the server. however i cannot ping the internet, the server is blocking requests(?). i have setup
[17:11] <jubei1> packet-forwarding=1 and have put some rules into iptables, but i messed up the iptables rules... could someone inspect the iptables rules, this is 1st time im doing it, and let me know what they think?
[17:11] <RealOpty> I hope not. its crap
[17:11] <escott> mang0, i need more details, like actual chipsets.
[17:11] <Stameni> RealOpty, no, it use it`s own unity
[17:11] <usr13> jubei1: sure, pastebinit it
[17:11] <mang0> escott, mind if I tab?
[17:11] <greyhatsalafi> KrisDouglas i agree...not ready...but they wanted to push it out to have something to show...so they got the bugs out, but added nothing to make deadline...   I hate right-clicking and getting nothing.
[17:11] <ChronicSyncope> natty is released?
[17:11] <Ruuuumb0> KrisDouglas: ok
[17:11] <escott> mang0, feel free to /msg me
[17:11] <jubei1> usr13: ok let me get on that
[17:11] <Fasa> does any know how install PtokaX and Dixbot  on ubuntu
[17:11] <mang0> what about /query?
[17:12] <mang0> Cuz I can't see /msgs in a sepearte tab
[17:12] <mang0> *seperate
[17:12] <escott> mang0, sure
[17:12] <Fasa> does any know how install PtokaX and Dixbot  on ubuntu
[17:12] <RealOpty> Stameni, is it similar to gnome3?
[17:12] <Stameni> RealOpty, it has similarities
[17:13] <coolaj86> Why does the Ubuntu website look like someone accidentally uploaded a draft version?
[17:13] <Stameni> RealOpty, I will myself try to stick with standard gnome interface
[17:13] <ashmew2> hey , im upgrading to natty , so will that remove gnome completely or can i choose from Unity/Gnome once upgrade finishes ?
[17:13] <Pici> Fasa: Perhaps if you explained what those were we could help you.
[17:13] <Pici> ashmew2: The latter.
[17:13] <Stameni> RealOpty, you can choose what u want to use while logging
[17:13] <coolaj86> Lots of "Marker1, Marker2" stuff, css styles that have pictures blocking text, etc. It looks terrible.
[17:13] <ashmew2> Pici : Thanks ! :D
[17:14] <geekliketodd> woo upgrade day!
[17:14] <ashmew2> yeah :D
[17:14] <PhoenixSTF> i did the upgrade
[17:14] <bittin> same here but on Kubuntu
[17:14] <Pici> coolaj86: Looks fine here.  Feel free submit a bug at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/ though
[17:14] <gib0t> LAcan: there isn't menu editor
[17:15] <Tak> dear god, somebody please help me configure unity
[17:15] <PhoenixSTF> does natty come with nautilus?
[17:15] <Stameni> Can someone tell me is standard gnome interfece in 11.04 the same as in 10.10 ?
[17:15] <coolaj86> Pici: have you tried something webkit?
[17:15] <escott> PhoenixSTF, yes
[17:15] <Pici> coolaj86: I'm using Chrome right now.
[17:15] <harpal> how to update grub entry in 10.10 it has grub2
[17:15] <LAcan> gib0t, im on 10.10 look for something called "Menu Manager"
[17:15] <usr13> !grub2 | harpal
[17:16] <escott> gib0t, alacarte
[17:16] <LAcan> harpal, u need to edit the windows partition. can u boot windows?
[17:16] <someone235> i tried to upgrade to 11.04 & got this error: http://pastebin.com/xDYgtdjF . what ca i do to solve it?
[17:16] <PhoenixSTF> escott, hmm drobox isnt working....
[17:16] <usr13> jubei1: Try this:  pastebinit firewall-script
[17:16] <jiohdi> PhoenixSTF: did you try  dropbox start -i
[17:17] <harpal> LAcan: I dont need to boot to windows, I need to change kernel and I have compiled new kernel with some patches
[17:17] <usr13> jubei1: (and send resulting URL)
[17:17] <andeeeuk> everytime i try to upgrade it says to check the internet connection
[17:17] <sam16> guys howz ubuntu 11.04?
[17:17] <coolaj86> Pici: I just hit refresh again and now it looks beautiful. I must have caught it just as it was being updated or had a bad cache of the stylesheet
[17:17] <andeeeuk> though im on it right now
[17:17] <andeeeuk> lol
[17:17] <LAcan> harpal, download "Grub Customizer" it has a PPA .. google it
[17:17] <escott> PhoenixSTF, i've heard about assorted dropbox/nautilus issues, but don't use it myself. if this is post upgrade I would remove dropbox, reinstall nautilius and then reinstall dropbox
[17:17] <OverTheHillAndFa> ehm... i used the prerelease for a while with unity-2d in lack of a working graphical driver. now i got one working. so i started to use unity-3d. but the 2d menu bar overlayed the 3d. actually two bars loaded. so i uninstalled all unity-2d packages and reinstalled unity-3d. but i am not able to get i loaded from the login screen.... help?
[17:18] <mnoyce> Is there anyway to turn off the Apps for Download list?
[17:18] <RealOpty> has anyone used apt-cache-ng to do distupgrade ??
[17:18] <escott> harpal, grub2 autofinds kernels should just be able to drop it in /boot
[17:19] <lwizardl> so in the official release of 11.04 has anyone checked to see if you can right click and select compress on ISO images ?
[17:19] <sam16> is ubuntu 11.04 is recommended for desktop?
[17:19] <Witchsong> Does the Unity interface have a built-in way to enable desktop/visual effects like you could with the GNOME interface?
[17:19] <PhoenixSTF> escott, it is working the icon on the tray is not...
[17:19] <lwizardl> sam16, yes
[17:19] <coolaj86> pici: spoke too soon, I clicked "what's new" and now I'm seeing the same as before
[17:19]  * LAcan recommends 10.10 for the next few months.
[17:19] <raju> sam16:  just for trying ....not for standard use
[17:19] <PhoenixSTF> jiohdi, thank m8 it is working :) icon on tray not so true
[17:19] <KrisDouglas> Witchsong, install compiz config settings manager
[17:19] <coolaj86> but looks fine on my android
[17:19] <sam16> raju : is it ?
[17:19] <jiohdi> PhoenixSTF: np
[17:20] <mikebeecham> I take it I can now upgrade safely with update-manager -d?
[17:20] <harpal> escott: I tried that and then run command update-grub but still entries not updated.
[17:20] <escott> PhoenixSTF, shrug sorry
[17:20] <sam16> so u recommend ubuntu 10.10 only?
[17:20] <RealOpty> has anyone used apt-cache-ng to do distupgrade ??
[17:20] <coolaj86> and a few refreshes later it's fine again...
[17:20] <LAcan> sam16, for the next little while yes. let the nerds work out all the bugs.. im gonna wait for 11.10 personally
[17:20] <Feyisayo> I try to upgrade from Meerkat to Natty and the license says Natty is still beta. Is this supposed to happen?
[17:20] <PhoenixSTF> escott, its ok m8 thanks anyway :)
[17:20] <Thriky> Anyone know if it's a good idea to install the latest available Ubuntu server or should I stick to the LTS releases? How trivial (or not) is updating a non-LTS version as new releases come out? Stupidly non-viable?
[17:21] <ninjai> okay okay, how are you _supposed_ to open multiple file managers in unity?
[17:21] <raju> sam16:  if u wanna try it you can . but still few more fixings need for the latest version .
[17:21] <jiohdi> Feyisayo: its ok, it will gradually update to full version
[17:21] <sam16> raju :so u recommend ubuntu 10.10 only?
[17:21]  * LAcan nods at raju
[17:21] <someone235> upgrade problem -> http://pastebin.com/xDYgtdjF . help pls
[17:21] <PhoenixSTF> anyone knows if natty got more suport on asus eeepc power control?
[17:21] <raju> sam16:  tell me exactly do u wanna go for trying or standard using
[17:21] <escott> harpal, i think it is grub-mkconfig
[17:22] <mnoyce> ninjai: Ctrl+N?
[17:22] <sam16> standard usage
[17:22] <sam16> i want stable os
[17:22] <ninjai> mnoyce, does nothing.
[17:22] <usr13> jubei1: See my private message
[17:22] <skulltip> how is the new beast
[17:22] <LAcan> sam16, 10.04 should be the most stable...
[17:22] <Thriky> Anyone know if it's a good idea to install the latest available Ubuntu server or should I stick to the LTS releases? How trivial (or not) is updating a non-LTS version as new releases come out? Stupidly non-viable? <- sorry meant to add this is for a WEB server
[17:22] <sam16> which work qick and stable
[17:22] <jiohdi> sam16 you might want to look at debian without ubuntu
[17:22] <LAcan> Thriky, stick to it
[17:23] <raju> sam16 go for  10.10
[17:23] <scialen> howdy! I got a no mount /dev/loop0 problem for 11.04
[17:23] <NOC> hmm
[17:23] <LAcan> sam16, ya 10.10 is nice
[17:23] <sam16> currently em having that ...
[17:23] <mnoyce> ninjai: If you have the file manager open, Ctrl+N should open another window.
[17:23] <ninjai> mnoyce, thanks
[17:23] <NOC> somebody ?
[17:23] <LAcan> what NOC?
[17:23] <usr13> jubei1: Or you can email me if you like.
[17:23] <raju> sam16 update it daily
[17:23] <sam16>  thank you guys for ur suggestion
[17:23] <NOC> i cant send email from my page
[17:23] <gaara> i have blank screen after booting into a fresh natty installation
[17:23] <Feyisayo> Anyone here?
[17:23] <NOC> running apache
[17:23] <sam16> ok
[17:23] <gaara> help please
[17:24] <escott> someone235, if none of the exceptions apply to you can you please pastebin the contents of /var/log/dist-upgrade/
[17:24] <NOC> what should i do bro LAcan
[17:24] <LAcan> NOC, thats pretty broad... email from your page?
[17:24] <raju> gaara:  i will try
[17:24] <mnoyce> ninjai: I had the same issue this morning and when trying to open multiple terminal windows. :-/
[17:24] <Tak> oh good, my compiz settings got deleted
[17:24] <NOC> i mean .. its a contact form
[17:24] <LAcan> NOC, #apache
[17:24] <gaara> raju, thanks..is there info i can give you to fix it?
[17:24] <Wickk> Ok so I just reinstalled the propietary driver my ATI card and i'm still not getting my window decorations drawn in Unity
[17:24] <LAcan> !apache
[17:24] <sam16> i need all features of 11.04 in ma 10.04  can u guys tell which all software i should upgrade
[17:24] <NOC> already done that
[17:24] <someone235> pre-release means beta\RC version?
[17:24] <LAcan> NOC, #apache
[17:24] <escott> NOC, you need to test if your smtp server is working, and then test if your php code is working
[17:24] <NOC> yes
[17:25] <NOC> escott : my ubuntu is fresh
[17:25] <gib0t> that menu in 11.04 is very unconfortable to manage I need 6 klicks for something I needed 2 before
[17:25] <mnoyce> Does anyone know if there's any way to turn off the Apps for Download list thingy?
[17:25] <cgtdk> gib0t: http://xubuntu.org ;)
[17:25] <NOC> how to do smtp in a correct way?
[17:25] <gib0t> cgtdk: I think I have to change
[17:25] <jiohdi> gib0t: you can switch to any other desktop like kde or xfce
[17:25] <escott> NOC, try #ubuntu-server
[17:25] <LAcan> !smtp | NOC
[17:25] <usr13> NOC: telnet ?
[17:25] <raju> gaara i am here only
[17:26] <NOC> thanks
[17:26] <gaara> raju , i'm a little desparate in trying to get this to work...
[17:26] <gib0t> jiohdi: I know that but I like it to see how the new ideas for desktop are
[17:26] <someone235> escott, /var/log/dist-upgrade/ gots a lot of files
[17:26] <jiohdi> gib0t: unity is still a work in progress
[17:26] <someone235> should i paste any specific file?
[17:26] <ray_> This really puts long-term support into perspective: http://www.ubuntu.com/business/desktop/long-term-support
[17:26] <scialen> I got a problem for 11.04 - can not mount /dev/loop0 to //filesystem.squashfs due to  an I/O error.
[17:26] <ray_> bye
[17:27] <bittin> bye
[17:27]  * LAcan is happy that he can use the internet off his BB thru bluetooth so painlessley in 10.10. Very impressed.
[17:27] <usr13> gaara: no login option?
[17:27] <escott> someone235, well the log of the problem is somewhere in there. if you can look through those files to identify any problems
[17:27] <damiano__> guys if i set the document root as /home/lighttpd/vhosts/website.com/httpdocs(lighttpd) what path do i have to use on the chroot= option(PHP-FPM) ? thanks
[17:27] <usr13> gaara: Try:   Ctrl-Alt-F6
[17:28] <Feyisayo> Thanks jiohdi
[17:28] <skulltip> any first takes on 11.04?
[17:28] <Alterno> Greeetings, I ran the update manager, but just found a few updates available and nothing about upgrading from beta 2 to stable. what's going on?
[17:28] <mnoyce> skulltip: It's different...
[17:29] <jiohdi> skulltip: a lot of things that did not work for me in 10.10 now work... like I can use docky with non-compositing desktops
[17:29] <someone235> E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.' - what 'held packages' means?
[17:29] <OfficiallyPC> Alterno: Did you try update-manager -d
[17:29] <gib0t> it is possible to show in the unity startmenu more und smaller icons
[17:29] <mnoyce> skulltip: Feels very... clunky and awkward at the moment. But it's only been a few hours in the driving seat.
[17:30] <skulltip> if i upgrade from 10.10, besides backups, does it preserve my current home folder, custom directories and games I've copied?
[17:30] <Alterno> @Officialllypclet me try to run  that command
[17:30] <gib0t> i think than it is easier to handle on big screens with big resolution
[17:31] <jiohdi> skulltip: your home directory stays the same... you can also make a second user and directory and play around in it without disturbing your first
[17:31] <OfficiallyPC> Alterno: Any luck?
[17:31] <skulltip> mnoyce - still have to turn off compiz to play fps's well?
[17:31] <LAcan> does kismet have a proper GUI? like a gnome interface?
[17:31] <skulltip> ..or drop the effects to basic
[17:31] <damiano__> guys if i set the document root as /home/lighttpd/vhosts/website.com/httpdocs(lighttpd) what path do i have to use on the chroot= option(PHP-FPM) ? thanks
[17:31] <gaara> i'm having screen backlight problem after installation of natty! someone help! screen is almost pitch dark! though i know it boots in!
[17:31] <mnoyce> skulltip: Don't play that many games, to be honest, so I cannot help you there.
[17:32] <Alterno> Shows that there's not updates available, says system is updated
[17:32] <damiano__> someon could help me?
[17:32] <Guest31762> hey all here is the question, I have a OSX Leopard hard drive as my second drive and ubuntu 10.10 see's it great but I cant change the permissions and it says invalid partition table
[17:32] <Alterno> how do I check if my system still running beta?
[17:32] <gtklocker> hello, I need some help with ubuntu; I try to install it on a desktop via CD and every version of it I've tried installs some things and then says "Please insert the disk labeled Karmic Koala blabla"; whatever I press nothing happens - any idea?
[17:32] <mnoyce> skulltip: First time I've used Compiz for a few releases.
[17:32] <LAcan> gtklocker, where are you getting your CD's from?
[17:32] <jiohdi> Alterno: if you were running beta it will just upgrade to full eventually no worries
[17:32] <skulltip> cool, thanks mnoyce
[17:33] <Alterno> ok
[17:33] <gtklocker> LAcan: burning the isos but I've even tried with some shipped 6.06 that still didn't work
[17:33] <LAcan> gtklocker, FROM WHERE?
[17:33] <gtklocker> LAcan: TDK CD-Rs or DVD-RWs
[17:34] <root> bnmnb,
[17:34] <gtklocker> LAcan: the isos from ubuntu.com
[17:34] <escott> Guest31762, mac uses gpt not dos partition types. it shouldn't be giving you that error but gdisk can verify the gpt partition type
[17:34] <Guest35532> mnb,mnb,
[17:34] <Guest31762> ty escott
[17:35] <LAcan> gtklocker, karmic koala seems like old software. get a 10.10 ISO and use that
[17:35] <Guest35532> work lan
[17:35] <Dominater> if i install will xfce will run faster than gnome on ubuntu?
[17:35] <LAcan> Dominater, why wouldnt u just install xubuntu?
[17:35] <rumpe1> Dominater: not much
[17:36] <mnoyce> Ctrl+W makes switching between Apps on Desktops a lot easier...
[17:36] <gtklocker> LAcan: I have tried with 11.04, 10.04, 10.10, same shit
[17:36] <rad4Christ> Anyone here familiar with Likewise Open?
[17:36] <vooze> if i used to have beta2, if i dist-upgrade now, will i get final?
[17:36] <mnoyce> Oops! I meant Super+W makes switching between Apps on Desktops a lot easier...
[17:36] <Eduard> guys, does anybody know, if broken dependency  problem with nvidia-96 was fixed in 11.04?
[17:36] <Guest35532> how i instal smeserver
[17:36] <OverTheHillAndFa> unity will not load at login... how to fix? it starts fine from terminal
[17:36] <LAcan> gtklocker, what are you picking as your GUI? have u tried just using the default (gnome)?
[17:37] <gtklocker> LAcan: I have tried with the desktop and alternative versions, all same shit
[17:37] <Dominater> because my laptop runs very hot when i run gnome so i need to try something light on it
[17:37] <LAcan> Eduard, they are up to nvidia 173 now... but i dont know if thats for your card or what...
[17:37] <josephnexus> in natty, when I enable dual screen, my system becomes nearly unresponsive.  I have an nvidia 8800... should be fine
[17:37] <gtklocker> LAcan: and while I could make a custom installation with say Arch Linux I don't know if it's possible with ubuntu
[17:37] <jubei1> Guest1496740: download the iso from the website, burn, and put it in the cdrom drive to install.
[17:38] <narwhaller> Is anyone else having trouble with enabling unity?
[17:38] <josephnexus> looks like it installed the wrong driver by default
[17:38] <ManDay> Does 11.04 still have a netbook version?
[17:38] <hypetech> narwhaller: should be enabled by default
[17:38] <josephnexus> manday, no
[17:38] <ManDay> ok
[17:38] <hypetech> ManDay: no
[17:38] <ManDay> ty
[17:38] <mnoyce> ManDay: No. The netbook and desktop versions are now one and the same.
[17:39] <jubei1> hello, i am trying to setup a home server/gateway using linux server 10.04 and 2 NICS, from the server i use eth1 to dial PPPoE to router and can ping out to internet from server. I use eth0 to switch to give access to client PC's. from the clients i can be assigned dhcp from server and can ping the server. however i cannot ping the internet, the server is blocking requests(?). i have setup
[17:39] <jubei1> packet-forwarding=1 and have put some rules into iptables, but i think i messed up the iptables rules... could someone inspect the iptables rules, this is 1st time im doing it, and let me know what they think?
[17:39] <Planet_EN> my gnome-network-manager keeps saying ethernet device is not managed? i removed eth0 from the wired interface how do i add it back?
[17:39] <narwhaller> hypetech: It should, but I had to install proprietary drivers, so it booted into default gnome, and now it won't switch to unity. when I run 'unity' in the terminal, the computer freezes
[17:39] <OverTheHillAndFa> narwhaller: probably a driverproblem if you have a clean install
[17:39] <ManDay> mnoyce: i thought so
[17:39] <tashkas> does ubuntu on shared connection transfare by default igmp protocol?
[17:40] <OverTheHillAndFa> narwhaller: if there is more than one proprietary driver in the list try another one
[17:40] <narwhaller> OverTheHillAndFa: Alright, thanks for the advice!
[17:40] <ScreenIssues> Problem: Ubuntu installer was not running (screen too dim to read). Used alternate installer as suggested by someone here. I'm finally up and running, but my screen is too dim to be useable. Fn+Fx keys pull up brightness indicator, but do nothing.
[17:41] <Planet_EN> hello?
[17:41] <escott> Planet_EN, iwconfig eth0 mode Auto
[17:41] <econdudeawesome> So I'm still trying to figure out how to change my TTY shell background color from purple to black. I've removed my GUI and used rcconf to turn off Xserver and GDM. Anyone know how to do this? escott has helped me a bit, but I think we've both run out of ideas.
[17:42] <djhaskin987> madj42: You were right. MMF Registration failure in the logs when installing SMP. I found this article http://www.symantec.com/docs/TECH42343  which presumably talks about it.