[03:46] <dsyntax> Q: is ubuntuMATE 15.04 out of beta?
[03:47] <dsyntax> i've been running for a while and i dont know how to tell if my system is beta still or not after dist-upgrades
[03:58] <Daekdroom> !schedule
[03:59] <Daekdroom> oh wow. That factoid hasn't been updated
[03:59] <Daekdroom> Anyway, final release is April 23rd, so yes, it is still beta.
[03:59] <Daekdroom> And yes, dist-upgrade will get you to final once it is released.
[04:18] <dsyntax> Daekdroom, i had a dist-upgrade avail yesterday is why i was wondering...
[04:23] <rww> sigh that's supposed to use variables, someone broke it
[04:23] <rww> !-schedule
[04:26] <rww> !no, schedule is <reply> A schedule of $curDevelLong ($curDevelNum) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseSchedule
[04:26] <rww> !no, schedule-#ubuntu+1 is <reply> A schedule of $curDevelLong ($curDevelNum) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseSchedule
[04:26] <rww> !schedue
[04:26] <rww> !schedule
[04:26] <rww> \o/
[10:31] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:42] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:58] <kal> Hi. After last update i click "Log in" button in Lubuntu 15.04 and it takes me back to the same screen.
[13:59] <kal> How to solve this?
[13:59] <k1l_> see if .Xauthority belongs to user:user
[14:01] <kal> k1l_: How to do this? I'm not that power user.
[14:01] <k1l_> log into ty and then see with ls -al
[14:01] <k1l_> ctrl+alt+f1 for tty, ctrl+alt+f7 for coming back to x-screen
[14:03] <kal> k1l_: But isn't ls for listing files?
[14:04] <k1l_> "ls -al" to get the files and their owners listed
[14:04] <kal> k1l_: OK.
[14:04] <kal> k1l_: It is my file.
[14:05] <k1l_> then see .xsession-errors whats happening there
[14:07] <kal> "upstart: not found"
[14:07] <kal> k1l_: But this Lubuntu uses systemd not upstart?
[14:09] <k1l_> i dont know tbh.
[14:12] <kal> k1l_: Thanks.
[14:12] <lordievader> kal: Is something directly invoking upstart?
[14:16] <k1l_> kal: then go on the hunt in the logs and file a bug
[14:17] <kal> k1l_: But it may not be a bug.
[14:17] <k1l_> i dont think its a feature that lubuntu doesnt login :)
[14:17] <k1l_> but i dont know what you did fiddle with your system so far
[14:17] <kal> k1l_: I haven't said that's a feature.
[14:19] <lordievader> kal: If something directly invokes upstart it is a bug. Especially when you are running systemd.
[14:19] <kal> k1l_: I see that's possible to log in as LXDE, not Lubuntu.\
[14:21] <kal> k1l_: Any suggestions in this situation?
[15:16] <lissyx> Hello
[15:16] <lissyx> Anyone knowning the lifecycle of suspending a laptop when closing the LID ?
[15:16] <lissyx> I'd like some help to identify the root cause of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1429489
[17:13] <penguin42> hmm that upgrade said it failed, but it looks like it's actually updated a lot to vivid - can someone confirm what kernel vivid has ?
[17:15] <lissyx> penguin42, 3.19
[17:15] <penguin42> lissyx: Thanks
[17:16] <penguin42> hmph, so I've not got that; I think my machine is in a curious state of flux, /etc/issue says vivid, do-release-upgrade -d claims there is nothing newer, /etc/apt/sources.list has vivid  yet the kernel in /boot still looks like it's 3.16.0-28
[17:17] <Daekdroom> penguin42, do you have all dependencies and recommended packages for ubuntu-desktop (or whichever flavour you are running)?
[17:17] <MoPac> Hello. As of the last couple of days, I've gotten what looks like an odd package configuration with a number of XOrg-related packages held back. The upgrade solution involves removing a bunch of X Server packages while upgrading others -- paste here (http://paste.ubuntu.com/10604988/ ).  I'm not sure whether this will break thinigs or is safe and just due to a reconfiguration by maintainers
[17:17] <MoPac> I'm using integrated Intel graphics (and had set the proprietary driver, though now the "software and sources" proprietary tab shows both the selected proprietary driver and a message about restarting to effect changes.
[17:20] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Well, apparently so, and I can see my kubuntu-desktop package is 1.319
[17:20] <Daekdroom> penguin42, are there any held back updates when you try dist-upgrade?
[17:21] <penguin42> no
[17:22] <penguin42> hmm wacky, I've got linux-tools-3.19 but not the newer linux-image
[17:24] <penguin42> hmm, installing linux-image-generic seems to be getting it, hmm
[17:27]  * penguin42 wonders what other random stuff he's missing
[17:39]  * penguin42 reboots
[17:41] <penguin42> hmm, well, I tried to - the new (systemd? )  reboot doesn't want to kick the current init :-)
[17:41] <lissyx> apt-get -f install ?
[17:46] <penguin42> amd we're back - a bunch of oops messages though but it's working
[17:53] <penguin42> and this laptop is probably on vivid :-)
[18:24]  * penguin42 disables baloo file search in KDE and gets his CPU back
[18:25] <MoonUnit`> disabled mine too, seemed to work ok for a while but recently very high cpu.
[18:32]  * penguin42 wishes the ludicrously thick titlebars on kde5 could be shrunk
[18:36] <MoonUnit`> you can try a compact window decoration
[18:36] <Daekdroom> I thought they could. There are a lot of customization available for them iirc.
[18:37] <penguin42> well there's a border size setting that includes a 'tiny' but it doesn't seem to make any difference for me, either on Ubuntu or Fedora KDE5
[18:42] <foormea> hi. running kubuntu 15.04, kde has stopped working: i get to sddm, but when i log in, i get a black screen with the mouse cursor, the "execute command" popup (alt-f2) shows up and nothing happens. "failsafe" (instead of plasma) results in something similar
[18:42] <foormea> that's since yesterday or the day before
[18:43] <penguin42> perhaps try creating a new user and see if that works, to see if it's something in your users directory?
[18:43] <foormea> good idea, i'll give that a try.
[18:43] <foormea> other idea would be to install another wm and see what happens (i'm suspecting that it'd work just fine :D)
[18:44] <foormea> any other idea before i reboot into linux to try that? :)
[18:44] <penguin42> could check your logs to see if there's anything obvious
[18:44] <foormea> i did, nothing obvious
[18:44] <penguin42> swear at it?
[18:44] <foormea> pretty much :D
[18:44] <foormea> in /var/log, from dmesg
[18:45] <foormea> no process *seems* to be hanging either
[18:46] <foormea> well i'll go try a new user then! thanks for the suggestion
[18:56] <foormea> penguin42: hello again :) from (k)ubuntu this time. yeah, it was a user config issue
[18:57] <foormea> i deleted some 'session' files from ~/kde and that did the trick (although i lost my panel, which i re-created)
[18:57] <penguin42> yeh, that shouldn't happen :-)
[18:57] <foormea> ~/.kde sorry but i guess you understood
[20:50] <matrixa1> Bug: With new 3.19 kernel, proprietary nvidia driver's PRIME switching stops working. OS boots with both GPUs.
[20:50] <matrixa1> Workaround: Log out, and log in again.


[00:02] <ouroumov__> hi HetroErectus
[00:02] <HetroErectus> hi
[00:03] <ouroumov__> HetroErectus, this is not the optimal place for a bug report, due to the transient nature of the chan
[00:03] <HetroErectus> ah ok...
[00:03] <ouroumov__> HetroErectus, what version of Ubuntu MATE are you using?
[00:03] <HetroErectus> i just yell out though.. i'll find the forum and file it
[00:03] <HetroErectus> 16.04
[00:04] <ouroumov__> Thanks for reporting it. When you post on the forum please submit as much information as you can regarding your setup. :)
[00:04] <HetroErectus> yep
[00:05] <ouroumov__> The forum is here: https://ubuntu-mate.community/c/feedback
[00:05] <HetroErectus> im trying to load it but im downloading 2 games on a 3mbit line
[00:05] <HetroErectus> :/
[00:05] <HetroErectus> so it hangs.. bad!
[00:05] <ouroumov__> ^^
[00:06] <HetroErectus> ...in windows store, so dont worry...
[00:06] <HetroErectus> im on my surface pro now
[00:09] <HetroErectus> support & help ?
[00:09] <HetroErectus> cant find a spec place there for bugs
[00:09] <SonikkuAmerica> What/
[00:11] <ouroumov__> HetroErectus, no, in Feedback I think.
[00:11] <ouroumov__> HetroErectus, scratch that
[00:11] <ouroumov__> Go with Support & Help
[00:13] <HetroErectus> yep
[00:13] <HetroErectus> filed!
[00:16] <ouroumov__> thx :)
[00:17] <ouroumov__> HetroErectus, you didn't specify what version of Ubuntu MATE you're using
[00:17] <HetroErectus> dang!
[00:19] <HetroErectus> done
[00:20] <HetroErectus> hoep its sorted out.. annoying cause some of the games that wont start gives shadows, and to get the volume control working again i have to reboot
[00:21] <HetroErectus> hope it GETS sorted out
[00:21] <HetroErectus> must be its late :/
[00:21] <HetroErectus> shadows = ghost image
[00:22] <HetroErectus> however, ATI drivers seem to run well so idk what that issue with steam could be
[00:22] <HetroErectus> i use the open source ones, maybe i should specify that too?
[00:24] <HetroErectus> added it
[00:29] <ubuntu-mate> Hi anyone there?
[00:29] <HetroErectus> <-
[00:29] <ubuntu-mate> Hi
[00:29] <HetroErectus> hi .. wzp
[00:31] <ubuntu-mate> So I have an Acer S3 laptop I'm trying to insatll mate on but can't. Speciffically my problem is that I can't get the SSD I installed to be stay formated as ntfs and do the install
[00:31] <ubuntu-mate> It asks me to define a /root directory and I tried to set the SSD as the /root direc
[00:31] <ubuntu-mate> except the drop down doesn't have a /root option
[00:31] <ouroumov__> You can't define a Linux system partition as NTFS
[00:32] <ubuntu-mate> I can't =?
[00:32] <ubuntu-mate> So I have to to use ext 4 or something as the format?
[00:32] <ouroumov__> Yes
[00:33] <ouroumov__> ext4 for "/" (root) and "/home" (where user files go)
[00:33] <ouroumov__> You also need a swap partition the same size as your RAM if you want to be able to hibernate
[00:33] <ubuntu-mate> okay... So what file format can I use with mate if I will regularly have files larger than 4.6 GB?
[00:34] <HetroErectus> are you going to use the entire disk?
[00:34] <ouroumov__> And if you're booting into UEFI mode you also need a 300MB 'Efi Boot Partition'
[00:34] <ubuntu-mate> The laptop has a 20GB swap intergrated to MB
[00:34] <ubuntu-mate> booting in Legacy
[00:34] <ubuntu-mate> I will be using the whole disk
[00:34] <HetroErectus> right!
[00:34] <HetroErectus> then its easy peasy
[00:34] <HetroErectus> just let ubuntu use the entire disk.. theres an option for it during install
[00:35] <HetroErectus> just make sure you pick the right one, but you'll see it on the number of avaliable GB
 okay... So what file format can I use with mate if I will regularly have files larger than 4.6 GB? -> I don't understand that question
[00:36] <HetroErectus> you can have as large files you want, with a caviat, if you have disks larger than 2 TB you might have issues
[00:36] <ouroumov__> ubuntu-mate, max file size for ext4 is 16TB, you have files larger than that?
[00:36] <HetroErectus> then you have to change from MBR to ... GPR or something like that
[00:36] <HetroErectus> but you can do that after installation
[00:37] <HetroErectus> its a simple tool for it in ubuntu mate
[00:37] <HetroErectus> "disks"
[00:37] <ubuntu-mate> Okay so I have another laptop (same one) I put vanilla Ubuntu on it and did it with the stock options
[00:37] <ubuntu-mate> it is ext 2 maybe or 4
[00:37] <ubuntu-mate> and when I download a 4.5 or larger file
[00:37] <ubuntu-mate> in rar or something and try unpacking it. It won't let me
[00:38] <ubuntu-mate> and I can't write files larger than 4.5gb to the HDD in the vanilla ubuntu one
[00:39] <ubuntu-mate> I wanna try Mate because I heard on LAS that it has a better power saving feature baked it. STILL VERY NEW TO LINUX
[00:41] <ouroumov__> ubuntu-mate, maybe it's rar's fault
[00:41] <ubuntu-mate> I think I understand what you're saying Hetro. So install with ext 4 and then after the install separate the SSD into two partitions? 1 for /root that is the OS and the one for /home that is ntfs?
[00:41] <ouroumov__> What's the version of that normal Ubuntu you tested?
[00:41] <ouroumov__> 16.04?
[00:41] <ubuntu-mate> 15.10 then upgraded to 16.04
[00:41] <ouroumov__> ubuntu-mate, no the partitioning is done at the time of install
[00:42] <ouroumov__> ubuntu-mate, please, please do not make a /root partition
[00:42] <ouroumov__> ubuntu-mate, you need a partition for your system with "/" as mount point.
[00:42] <ouroumov__> Not "/root", just "/"
[00:43] <ouroumov__> ubuntu-mate, how large are your drives?
[00:44] <ubuntu-mate> the swap on the MB is 20GB and the SSD is 120GB
[00:44] <ouroumov__> And those are the only drives in your machine?
[00:44] <ubuntu-mate> "/" is "/root" got it
[00:44] <ubuntu-mate> yes its a laptop
[00:44] <ouroumov__> Okay
[00:45] <ouroumov__> and your swap shows up in the installer as a separate drive?
[00:45] <ubuntu-mate> Yes
[00:45] <ouroumov__> Then do the following:
[00:46] <ouroumov__> assuming sda is your 120G ssd and sdb is your 20GB swap
[00:46] <ubuntu-mate> yes exactly that way
[00:46] <ouroumov__> Click sda, create new partition table
[00:46] <ubuntu-mate> following along now
[00:47] <ouroumov__> Select free space in sda, click green plus sign, create a partition for your system. Type: ext4, size: 30GB (to be large-but I don't know your uses cases)
[00:47] <ouroumov__> oh, Size: 30000 MB actually
[00:48] <ubuntu-mate> * Note the SSD did have a 104MB partition on it prior to clicking the New partition
[00:48] <ubuntu-mate> I think for SSD chache/error stuff? idk
[00:49] <ouroumov__> ubuntu-mate, I don't think that's important
[00:49] <ouroumov__> Anyway, next: click the green plus sign again, use all remaining disk space for a new ext4 partition with mount point "/home"
[00:50] <ouroumov__> Next: click sdb and create a new partition table
[00:50] <ouroumov__> Select all the free space in sdb for a partition of type "swap"
[00:50] <ubuntu-mate> Okay, I'm going with 40000 MB as my partition. Do I select Primary/logical and the location is what beginning/end
[00:51] <ouroumov__> Make sure before you click install that the boot loader is set to install on "sda"
[00:51] <ubuntu-mate> Will do, Im going slow to ask you questions lol
[00:51] <ouroumov__> ubuntu-mate, for that "primary/logical" stuff: always use the default value
[00:51] <ubuntu-mate> Im still on the "create partition" part of sda
[00:52] <ubuntu-mate> Okay will use the default
[00:52] <ouroumov__> It should change to "logical" after your first partition I think
[00:52] <ouroumov__> but you don't have to care
[00:52] <ouroumov__> Just don't force it to be always primary OK?
[00:53] <ouroumov__> ubuntu-mate, for the beginning / end use the default too
[00:53] <ubuntu-mate> Okay done and done. I do have some free space in "sda"
[00:53] <ouroumov__> how much?
[00:53] <ubuntu-mate> should I format that now or after the install.
[00:53] <ubuntu-mate> 80034MB
[00:54] <ouroumov__> You forgot the /home partition I think :o
[00:54] <ubuntu-mate> oh yeah lol
[00:55] <ouroumov__> (see above)
[00:56] <ubuntu-mate> ouroumov random question I just grabbed the other laptop I have whihch is the vanilla Ubuntu how to I check what format I used for it
[00:56] <ubuntu-mate> because I might have done ext4 and it definitely can't handle large files
[00:56] <ouroumov__> ubuntu-mate, type "mount" in a terminal
[00:57] <ubuntu-mate> did that. A lot of text came up
[00:58] <ouroumov__> look for your "/dev/sdaX" entries
[00:58] <ouroumov__> There should be the type somewhere in there
[00:59] <ubuntu-mate> I think my chat broke =/
[00:59] <ubuntu-mate> now it works
[00:59] <ouroumov__> ^^
[01:00] <ubuntu-mate> dev/sda1 type vfat
[01:00] <ouroumov__> efi?
[01:00] <Ramlinman41> ext4 can handle up to 16 TB files
[01:00] <ubuntu-mate> the boot. um i think its legacy. let me check
[01:00] <ouroumov__> Ramlinman41, I told him but he doesn't believe me xD
[01:02] <ubuntu-mate> yes legacy
[01:02] <ubuntu-mate> that one doesn't have a updated bootloader so no ufei option
[01:02] <ouroumov__> ubuntu-mate, what is the mount point for that /dev/sda1?
[01:03] <Ramlinman41> Even using at the worst formatting it can handle 16GB files
[01:04] <ouroumov__> ubuntu-mate, FYI I'm currently watching "The Martian" version Full HD 1080p from my ext4-formated SSD. The file is 11.7BG. ext4 works with big files.
[01:06] <ouroumov__> -BG+GB
[01:06] <ubuntu-mate> the mount point. ummm okay so don't judge me but on the vanilla ubuntu one i coouldn't figure out how to get the HDD to be the /root or boot or what ever but I got the swap to reformat and work. sooooo the swap 20gb on the motherboard is the OS and the HDD is really just liek a mounted drive and when I download a large file there (in say like 30 pieces) directly to the HDD then try unpacking it. it craps out on me
[01:06] <ubuntu-mate> every time
[01:07] <ubuntu-mate> I suck at typing fast. Excuse my belligerent amount of spelling errors
[01:08] <ouroumov__> ubuntu-mate, better command
[01:08] <ouroumov__> type on the classic machine:
[01:09] <ouroumov__> lsblk -l --output MOUNTPOINT,FSTYPE
[01:10] <ubuntu-mate> okay I typed in mountpoint
[01:10] <ubuntu-mate> I got some stuff
[01:10] <ubuntu-mate> but when I put fstype in after it doesn't do anything
[01:10] <ubuntu-mate> says comand not found
[01:10] <ouroumov__> please respect precisely the spaces and capitalization
[01:11] <ouroumov__> No space after coma
[01:11] <ubuntu-mate> whoops
[01:11] <ubuntu-mate> added a space
[01:11] <ouroumov__> ^^
[01:12] <ubuntu-mate> okay so maybe im slow. but I typed it in exactly as you have it and command not found =/
[01:12] <ubuntu-mate> nvm
[01:13] <ubuntu-mate> missed the first step you have
[01:13] <ouroumov__> Are you sure you used a coma and not a semicolon?
[01:13] <ubuntu-mate> trying agin now
[01:14] <ubuntu-mate> got it.
[01:15] <ouroumov__> o/
[01:15] <ubuntu-mate> mountpoint fstype then under that vfat under that; /   ext4; [SWAP]   swap
[01:16] <ouroumov__> HAHA
[01:16] <Ramlinman41> vfat is a problem
[01:16] <ouroumov__> uoh, excuse me
[01:16] <ouroumov__> I was laughing hard
[01:16] <ubuntu-mate> lol
[01:16] <ubuntu-mate> i honestly don't even know what i did
[01:16] <ubuntu-mate> can you explain haha
[01:17] <pilne> i feel like i've walked into a situation where someone is needlessly complicating their life
[01:17] <ouroumov__> Sure
[01:17] <ouroumov__> ubuntu-mate, you other computer is using FAT32
[01:17] <ouroumov__> :')
[01:17] <ubuntu-mate> my vanilla ubuntu machine
[01:17] <ubuntu-mate> dam
[01:18] <ouroumov__> Yes
[01:18] <ubuntu-mate> well thank you
[01:18] <ouroumov__> Hence the 4GB limit
[01:18] <Ramlinman41> 4? I thought it was 2
[01:18] <ubuntu-mate> i see
[01:18] <ouroumov__> Sorry, hence the limit
[01:19] <ubuntu-mate> the limit is like 4.2-4.5 its weird
[01:19] <Ramlinman41> yeah ubuntu-mate, its that 1000 vs 1024 thing
[01:20] <ouroumov__> FAT32: 4,294,967,295 bytes
[01:20] <Ramlinman41> It all depends on how you calculate
[01:21] <ubuntu-mate> p.s. the mate install worked. THANK YOU EVERYONE!
[01:21] <ouroumov__> \o/
[01:22] <ubuntu-mate> seriously much appreciated. I'm happy the chat was built into the mate welcome.
[01:22] <ouroumov__> Yeah it's useful
[01:22] <ouroumov__> ubuntu-mate, you've booted the new install and all?
[01:23] <ubuntu-mate> not booted yet. actually still using it. I'm up to the part where i have to name it
[01:23] <ouroumov__> Oh so it's not actually installed yet
[01:24] <pilne> comrade ouroumov__ i salute your patience, yer a better human being than I.
[01:24] <ubuntu-mate> not technically
[01:25] <ouroumov__> Tovaritch pilne, don't sell yourself so short
[01:26] <ouroumov__> I have the benefit of being a teacher of a sort
[01:26] <pilne> i'm only 170cm tall, kinda hard not to be short :p
[01:27] <ouroumov__> pilne, I only have 4cm on you
[01:28] <pilne> hehehe, i dunno, i don't mind helping and teaching, but i get frustrated when it feels like there is an easier solution that will accomplish the same proper outcome
[01:29] <ouroumov__> But there wasn't really. The default solution here would have neglected to use sdb.
[01:29] <ouroumov__> At least, I think it would have
[01:30] <pilne> ahhhhh, and I came in part of the way through, and I had a couple of beers at a wake, so maybe I got things wrong and I owe ubuntu-mate an apology
[01:30] <ouroumov__> ^^
[01:31] <pilne> my apologies to all i slighted in this exchange
[01:41] <ouroumov__> ubuntu-mate, any update?
[01:43] <ubuntu-mate> the install finished and it says I can continue testing or restart
[01:44] <ubuntu-mate> (sorry had to go get my dad from the train station
[01:44] <ouroumov__> So please restart and see if it works
[01:45] <ubuntu-mate> I will restart but will I be able to join this chat again ( I have no idea how the irc chats work)
[01:45] <ouroumov__> Yes
[01:46] <ubuntu-mate> okay
[01:46] <ouroumov__> Just follow the same path
[01:46] <ubuntu-mate> gonna restart then
[01:50] <prime_> Ubuntu-mate here. The install worked! for reals this time. Booted up from the SSD. The install seems to be good
[01:51] <ouroumov__> \o/
[01:51] <prime_> Thank you guys!
[01:51] <ouroumov__> prime_, so I've got a few post-install recommendations if you'd like
[01:51] <prime_> all ears
[01:52] <ouroumov__> First, you should immediately go to MATE Tweak -> Windows and pick "Marco + Compton" as your window manager option
[01:53] <prime_> done
[01:54] <ouroumov__> Next, and a question first: are you using Firefox?
[01:54] <prime_> yes
[01:54] <ouroumov__> Don't start it yet
[01:55] <ouroumov__> If you haven't already
[01:55] <prime_> ....... a little late
[01:55] <ouroumov__> If you have close it
[01:55] <prime_> closed it
[01:55] <ouroumov__> Do a full system update
[01:55] <ouroumov__> (Welcome -> Getting Started)
[01:55] <ouroumov__> Then once the update is done, go right to drivers step, click install firmware package
[01:55] <ouroumov__> Then reboot
[01:56] <prime_> can I do "sudo apt-get update" for the same thing or no
[01:56] <ouroumov__> Yes
[01:56] <ouroumov__> You can even "sudo apt update"
[01:56] <prime_> doing it now
[01:57] <ouroumov__> Anyway, when you open up firefox again I recommend you first install the addons: uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger and HTTPS everywhere before you start visiting sites
[01:59] <prime_> I usually always do (except for privacy badger, Ive been using Annoymox but was thinking of switching to Shadowsocks)
[02:00] <cde> how do i get the source code for ubuntu mate?
[02:00] <ouroumov__> cde, Website -> Community -> Bottom of the page
[02:01] <cde> thankyou
[02:01] <ouroumov__> yw
[02:01] <prime_> >ouroumov_ restarting now
[02:03] <prime_> back now. installing add-ons for firefox
[02:25] <Galatran> Ahoi!
[02:31] <festerB> ouroumov__: what about chrome? same adv as you just gave prime_ for ff?
[02:46] <ouroumov__> hi festerB
[02:46] <ouroumov__> festerB, yes if the addons exist
[02:47] <festerB> great, many thx
[02:47] <festerB> they all do btw
[02:48] <ouroumov__> I never used Chrome so I don't know about uBlock
[02:48] <ouroumov__> I know the other two are likely because they're from the EFF
[02:49] <rev_> Chrome has uBlock Origin, works just as well
[02:49] <ouroumov__> cool
[02:51] <festerB> I also have a fourth "addon" in the sense that I only use startpage.com
[02:52] <rev_> Question: Does anyone else have this issue where the Mate menu bars are absolutely massive on login for a few seconds before refreshing and taking on their proper appearance?
[02:53] <rev_> Short video of what I mean: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8iIVEJDFA_rR1o5YU9OUE9kQjA
[02:53] <rev_> Not sure if it's a glitch or Nvidia drivers just acting weird
[02:53] <rev_> DPI settings in greeter don't seem to change anything
[02:54] <ouroumov__> rev_, I'm not experiencing it
[02:54] <ouroumov__> (Using Intel integrated graphics here)
[02:54] <rev_> Alright, thanks. Wanted to make sure it was out of the norm. Didn't know if I should ask on the forums or not.
[02:54] <rev_> New to linux.
[03:00] <ouroumov__> rev_, you're using what option in System -> Preferences -> Look & Feel -> MATE Tweak -> Windows -> Window Manager
[03:00] <ouroumov__> ?
[03:01] <rev_> Compiz, which could very well be the problem. But, I really want to keep the nice effects.
[03:01] <rev_> I'll have to test it a bit more.
[03:02] <ouroumov__> Since you've already taken great steps to document the issue it would be even better with a try using Compton
[03:02] <ouroumov__> I think that'd make a good post for the forum.
[03:02] <ouroumov__> Your system is up to date & all?
[03:03] <rev_> Yeah.
[03:03] <rev_> I'm going to give compton a test here. Might make a forum post after I try a few more things to see if I can't troubleshoot it.
[03:03] <rev_> brb
[03:07] <ouroumov__> wb
[03:07] <rev_> Issue still exists.
[03:07] <rev_> I'll keep messing around and make a post about it in the support forum.
[03:08] <rev_> Thanks again.
[03:08] <pavlushka> rev
[03:08] <pavlushka> rev_:
[03:08] <rev_> Yeah
[03:08] <pavlushka> I face that issue of bigger fonts before login,
[03:09] <rev_> Are you using Nvidia drivers by any chance?
[03:09] <pavlushka> no, intel builtins
[03:09] <pavlushka> but didn't raised that as issue
[03:10] <rev_> Interesting. I was thinking it was a driver issue since the Nvidia drivers messed with my desktop DIP scaling and GRUB resolution.
[03:10] <pavlushka> seeing your posts, it came to my mind.
[03:10] <alkisg> rev_: does it also happen with the guest account?
[03:10] <rev_> I'd have to check
[03:10] <alkisg> (i.e. with completely clean settings...)
[03:13] <pavlushka> alkisg: should rev_ file a bug for that?
[03:14] <alkisg> Sure why not, but in general I prefer doing the research before filing the bug, it allows for better bug reports
[03:15] <alkisg> E.g. there are ubuntu specific bugs that should be filed on launchpad, and non ubuntu specific bugs that should be filed upstream
[03:15] <pavlushka> alkisg: well, he can add/change the details anytime.
[03:15] <alkisg> Deciding where to file the bug is very important in getting it resolved
[03:15] <alkisg> He can't change the bug tracker without filing a second bug report...
[03:15] <pavlushka> alkisg: copy that.
[03:22] <rev_> alkisg: Guest account didn't fix the issue. Actually brought back the Nvidia driver/DPI scaling issue.
[03:23] <rev_> I think I need to somehow mess with the DPI scale for the entire system rather than just my user.
[03:32] <mate|76058> how can i build matebuntu from source?
[03:33] <SonikkuAmerica> mate|76058: You want to remaster the ISO/
[03:33] <SonikkuAmerica> ?
[03:33] <mate|76058> yep
[03:33] <SonikkuAmerica> Why?
[03:34] <SonikkuAmerica> (Just wondering)
[03:34] <mate|76058> for the lulz
[03:35] <mate|76058> that and i want to replace systemed
[03:35] <SonikkuAmerica> Oooooh
[03:35] <SonikkuAmerica> That might be hard to do.
[03:36] <mate|76058> oh launchpad is confusing me im used to github how do i get the source?
[03:37] <SonikkuAmerica> You'd use bzr to get it.
[03:38] <mate|76058> i looked into that but i dont know how to clone the repo
[03:40] <SonikkuAmerica> !bzr
[03:40] <SonikkuAmerica> errrg
[03:40] <SonikkuAmerica> it'd be nice to have ubottu in here
[03:41] <SonikkuAmerica> "bzr is Bazaar-NG, a decentralized revision control system designed to be easy for developers and end users alike. Decentralized revision control systems give people the ability to work over the internet using the bazaar development model.  See http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.dev/en/mini-tutorial/ for a quickstart guide."
[03:41] <SonikkuAmerica> I don't use bzr for anything at all
[03:41] <SonikkuAmerica> but the tutorials there might help you.
[03:41] <mate|76058> thankyou
[04:24] <alkisg> rev_: does it also happen if you temporarily disable the nvidia driver?
[04:25] <alkisg> I think you can set the dpi globally by creating an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[04:26] <alkisg> If in the end you discover that the bug originates in the nvidia driver, then you should file a bug report in the nvidia forums...
[04:26] <rev_> Still need to test with the driver disabled. Will check in just a bit here.
[04:26] <rev_> Thanks for all the suggestions.
[05:57] <todd_> Nice looking install
[05:57] <todd_> Going to be interested to see how it runs on my HP DV 9000
[07:56] <dintari> what is video player app name in Ubuntu-15? need the one that really compatible. thank you
[07:59] <alkisg> vlc
[08:08] <danboid> Do we have a Wimpy man?
[08:45] <danboid> Apparently Wimpy's nick is way above top secret
[09:10] <gordonjcp> danboid: what the absolute fuck are you wibbling on about?
[09:17] <danboid> gordonjcp: :D What's wimpy's IRC nick?
[09:21] <gordonjcp> what are you talking about?
[09:49]  * flexiondotorg is Wimpy.
[10:03] <danboid> Aha! Thanks
[10:03] <danboid> flexiondotorg: ping
[10:19] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: Hi, I think that fix you proposed in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-mate-settings/+bug/1574789/comments/4 has an issue and it needs 1 line to be removed, please have a look when you have some free time...
[10:19] <flexiondotorg> alkisg, Understood. Thanks.
[10:20] <alkisg> Thank you too :)
[10:35] <danboid> flexiondotorg: Any idea when we might see updated (1.14) MATE packages for Arch?
[11:46] <mohan__> HI All
[11:47] <mohan__> Is any there to help me
[11:47] <mohan__> how can i close the application that stucks
[11:48] <danboid> mohan__: If you have xkill installed you can use that
[11:48] <danboid> mohan__: run xkill in a terminal then click on the window of the app you want to kill
[11:48] <mohan__> i don't have xkill
[11:49] <mohan__> sudo apt-get install xkill
[11:49] <mohan__> is it?
[11:50] <danboid> mohan__: apt-get install x11-utils
[11:51] <danboid> mohan__: MATE has its own process manager / monitor so you should install / try that first
[11:51] <danboid> I dunno if its installed by default as I've never run Ubuntu MATE
[11:52] <mohan__> ok
[11:52] <mohan__> yeah killed
[11:52] <mohan__> mine skype tooltip is messed up notshowing the text
[11:57] <mohan__> any comments
[12:18] <max__> nordlichtmv
[12:20] <Guest90908> scalierung für 4k bildschirm unter mate ?
[12:22] <Guest90908> wie finde ich chat auf deutsch danke
[12:57] <nomic> how do I get terminal from an applet
[12:57] <nomic> ssh ip addresss
[12:57] <nomic> does not work
[12:59] <nomic> gnom-terminal?
[14:51] <ubuntu-mate> Hey £
[14:52] <ouroumov> hey ubuntu-mate
[14:57] <ubuntu-mate> Haha
[14:58] <ubuntu-mate> this name is amaying
[15:00] <ubuntu-mate> Ouromov
[15:00] <ubuntu-mate> Are you on ubuntu-mate ?
[15:01] <ubuntu-mate> I think because you are in this #ubuntu-mate haha
[15:03] <ubuntu-mate> Hey ! draco_ !
[15:03] <draco_> hi
[15:03] <ubuntu-mate> Are you on ubuntu mate 16.04 ?
[15:04] <draco_> nope, I am on ubuntu 15.10, why?
[15:04] <ubuntu-mate> Juste for know, because i'm downloading ubuntu mate 16.04
[15:04] <ubuntu-mate> Because there is so many addition in the new version of ubuntu
[15:04] <ubuntu-mate> i think
[15:05] <draco_> I heard great stuff about Mate edition, should be great. I am on unity ubuntu 15.10 and I decided to just wait for 16.04.1
[15:05] <emma|offline> I love your nick, ubuntu-mate
[15:05] <emma|offline> though you must get pinged a lot in this channel
[15:05] <ubuntu-mate> ah ok @draco !
[15:05] <ubuntu-mate> Haha emma
[15:05] <ubuntu-mate> i change nick
[15:06] <draco_> I was thinking about going to 16.04 mate because of those additions but I don't want to reload my whole machine
[15:07] <draco_> it's taking a lot of time especially because I have crapy internet connection and need to download software that I am using to reinstall
[15:07] <emma|offline> i'm gonna install 16.04 MATE this weekend on my laptop probably
[15:07] <emma|offline> which is currently runnint 12.04 Kubuntu
[15:08] <emma|offline> and slowly starting to fail because functionality is less and less supported
[15:45] <max__> 228
[15:45] <max__> hello all
[16:01] <cacho> hola
[16:14] <guest-KNNm3W> popo
[16:14] <guest-KNNm3W> olpjihi
[17:00] <Alpha261> hi :)
[17:00] <QORRiE> yo
[17:05] <Alpha261> ive just installed ubuntu mate <3 on raspberry pi 3, everything is working great, i only got one little problem: every time im rebooting the pi, the composition wont work. its set to marco (software). if i set it to marco (no composition) and then set it back to marco (software) it works fine until i reboot it again. Anyone an idea what this could be?
[17:30] <Guest82767> can anyone help how install software centre in ubuntu mate
[17:32] <Alpha261> yep just open welcome
[17:33] <Alpha261> System > welcome >Software > More software
[17:34] <Alpha261> or open a terminal (Ctrl alt t)
[17:35] <Alpha261> and type sudo apt-get update
[17:37] <Alpha261> sudo apt-get install software-center
[17:38] <Guest82767> thanks
[17:38] <alkisg> software-center is deprecated, better install gnome-software
[17:38] <Guest82767> oki
[17:39] <Guest82767> is appgrid any good???
[17:39] <Guest82767> to install
[17:39] <alkisg> No idea
[17:39] <Guest82767> oki
[17:39] <Alpha261> i dont like it
[17:39] <Alpha261> but u wont know until u try it :)
[17:39] <Guest82767> iam new to ubuntu mate can u suggest me any tweeks
[17:41] <Alpha261> what do u mean?
[17:41] <Alpha261> good programs? games?
[17:41] <Alpha261> commands?
[17:42] <Guest82767> no no i mean how to increase the performance??
[17:43] <Alpha261> oh
[17:43] <Alpha261> mate is very fast i dont know anything to make it even faster
[17:43] <Guest82767> oki thanks
[17:43] <Alpha261> buy an ssd :D
[17:44] <demon0> can anyone suggest any good programs
[17:44] <demon0> in ubuntu mate
[17:44] <Alpha261> ~5 seconds boot time with samsung evo :D
[17:45] <Alpha261> programs for what?
[17:45] <demon0> programming??
[17:46] <Alpha261> geany, ubuntu sdk
[17:47] <demon0> oki
[17:47] <demon0> and any good text editor
[17:47] <demon0> ??
[17:47] <Alpha261> gui or cli?
[17:47] <demon0> gui
[17:47] <Alpha261> pluma
[17:48] <Alpha261> is already installed
[17:48] <demon0> ya but thats inbuild right??
[17:48] <Alpha261> yep
[17:48] <demon0> but i need other than pluma
[17:48] <Guest82767> try gedit
[17:49] <Alpha261> vim?
[17:49] <demon0> is it GUI
[17:49] <Alpha261> both yes
[17:49] <demon0> oki
[17:49] <demon0> can send me a link of that one
[17:50] <Alpha261> sudo apt install gvim
[17:50] <Alpha261> sudo apt install gedit
[17:50] <demon0> thanks
[17:50] <Alpha261> sudo apt update
[17:51] <Alpha261> make the update command first
[17:53] <demon0> oki done
[17:53] <demon0> thanks
[17:56] <Alpha_261> Hi
[17:56] <Alpha261> Hi
[17:56] <demon0> helo
[17:58] <Alpha261> did it work?
[18:00] <demon0> ya it works
[18:00] <demon0> thanks
[18:01] <Alpha261> no problem :D
[18:01] <demon0> do u have ebooks on linux??
[18:01] <demon0> if u have can share it me
[18:01] <demon0> i mean can u share it with me
[18:01] <demon0> :D
[18:03] <Alpha261> sorry i just have plain old made-of-paper-books :/
[18:03] <demon0> oki
[18:05] <demon0> do u know how join the Anonymous IRC??
[18:05] <demon0> there telling to ssl in hexchat
[18:05] <demon0> i dont know to use the ssl in hexchat
[18:05] <demon0> any idea
[18:05] <demon0> ??
[18:09] <Alpha261> ive got some books in the iBooks app on iphone
[18:09] <Alpha261> but idk how to send them
[18:09] <Alpha261> and theyre in german :D
[18:13] <demon0> sry i need it english
[18:14] <demon0> if u hav any ebooks in english feel free to send
[18:23] <mate|51322> hi, a couple of questions to the weather app:
[18:24] <mate|51322> 2) how could I make the radar show up? neither of the Berlin locations seem to show a map
[18:24] <mate|51322> 1) is there another weather app that has forecast for the next days
[18:24] <mate|51322> ?
[18:27] <mate|51322> also, "last updated"  keeps at 7.4.2014
[18:31] <festerB> mate|51322: for 1) im using ansiweather -F -l berlin
[18:32] <festerB> or ansiweather -F -l <your town>
[18:33] <mate|51322> neat
[18:35] <festerB> i have alias in my bashrc of course, one letter command
[18:56] <Alpha261> hi :)
[22:20] <festerB> Software Updater not connecting?
[22:21] <festerB> "Check your Inernet connection."
[22:21] <festerB> Internet even
[22:29] <Ramlinman41> It's working from western Canada
[22:34] <ubuntu-mate> Just dropped by to say thanks for the amazing work to the team behind Ubuntu MATE
[22:34] <ubuntu-mate> I've just tried 16.04, and I'm impressed.
[22:35] <ubuntu-mate> I'm a former elementary OS developer and I'm still impressed. That says a lot.
[22:35] <ubuntu-mate> Thanks guys. You rock.
[22:47] <festerB> Software Updater working now, it was "E: Failed to fetch http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/dists/stable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch"
[23:20] <amundsen> hi
[23:21] <amundsen> i'm having trouble to wathc youtube videos on um.16.04
[23:21] <amundsen> thye're going to slow
[23:21] <amundsen> too
[23:22] <rev_> Which browser are you using?
[23:22] <Ramlinman41> Hi amundsen, what are you using to watch?
[23:25] <amundsen> Ramlinman41, firefox
[23:26] <Ramlinman41> Are you having issues with all videos? and are you on a wireless connection?
[23:27] <amundsen> Ramlinman41, wired
[23:28] <amundsen> all videos, youtube, vevo, vimeo ....
[23:28] <amundsen> i never had this issue before
[23:28] <Ramlinman41> check this: https://www.google.com/get/videoqualityreport/
[23:29] <amundsen> same machine, same network, different os and this go fine
[23:30] <amundsen> but i dont know what's wrong in this version of ubuntu mate
[23:30] <amundsen> or what am i stting up wrong
[23:30] <Ramlinman41> It may be a driver issue
[23:30] <Ramlinman41> is it a laptop?
[23:30] <amundsen> system 76 meerkat
[23:31] <amundsen> specialy designed to work with linux
[23:31] <Ramlinman41> well you shouldn't have any issues with that...
[23:31] <amundsen> i'm running  another distro know and it flash videos go fine
[23:32] <Ramlinman41> which distro?
[23:32] <amundsen> but i'd like to use ubuntu-mate
[23:32] <amundsen> f23 mate
[23:33] <Ramlinman41> Huh... everything is pretty much the same between the two
[23:38] <Ramlinman41> The only real difference I can find is that F23 comes with a 4.2 kernel and UM16.04 uses 4.4
[23:40] <Ramlinman41> which window manager does F23 use?
[23:45] <amundsen> Ramlinman41, i'm using mate of course ...
[23:48] <Ramlinman41> Are you using defaults with both systems?


[00:43] <xmltok_> hi, does anyone know why the short hostname is perferred when setting the hostname on debian boxes?
[13:54] <smoser> harlowja_away, what was that library for network config and description
[17:07] <harlowja> smoser https://fedorahosted.org/netcf/
[17:07] <harlowja> netcf
[17:07] <smoser> thank you
[17:08] <harlowja> np
[17:30] <harlowja> smoser still seems somewhat active (as a project), so thats good
[17:30] <harlowja> https://git.fedorahosted.org/git/netcf.git


[22:43] <mup> Issue operator#689 opened: `event.set_results` with `stdout` as key results in wrong action results <Created by sed-i> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/689>


[15:46] <Unit193> paultag: http://imgur.com/gallery/XKr67
[15:46] <jenni> [ A Murder of Crows - Album on Imgur ] - https://j.mp/1y19D5E
[15:52] <paultag> Hah yeah I saw that on reddit this morning
[15:52] <paultag> r/badjoke
[15:52] <paultag> s
[17:04] <dzho> ohhhh, got me
[17:04] <dzho> I was all "yay Mass Turnpike ornithologist, you go!"
[17:05]  * dzho is now sad, thinking about the dead crows
[18:11] <jrgifford> lol
[18:11] <jrgifford> :(


[03:54] <Ahmuck> stgraber: shouldn't the edubuntu cd focus on "classroom managment, server, etc." rather than apps?  or split into a different cd?
[03:54] <Ahmuck> i can't help but notice that edubuntu is a collection of apps
[04:09] <stgraber> Ahmuck: well, I guess it must be both, we need more apps and we need tools to make them easy to access. That's why the focus for Lucid is to make Edubuntu more user friendly, get rid of old things that are getting harder and harder to maintain, get more apps and get the tools to manage them (menu editor, profiles, sabayon, italc and LTSP directly from the LiveCD)
[04:11] <Ahmuck> neat, i'm looking foward to see what lucid brings
[04:12] <stgraber> me too, so far we are doing quite well, having a lot more hands than previous releases make it easier too ;)
[04:15] <Ahmuck> where did the hands get picked up?
[04:16] <stgraber> mostly existing hands though with a bit more time available, highvoltage, mgariepy and I all work for the same company and have some company time to work on Edubuntu. sbalneav is spending a lot of time improving LTSP and sabayon.
[04:17] <stgraber> we also recontacted or got contacted again by previous contributors like madsrh for the artwork, hedgemage for the website, ..
[04:17] <stgraber> and with more regular meetings we also had a few more to show up
[07:39] <alkisg> highvoltage, about LP #504678, I don't think that 010-fat-client should mount /proc at all - it's already mounted by 010-mount-proc. I think It just needs to run a little later...
[10:29] <highvoltage> alkisg: good point
[10:30] <alkisg> highvoltage: I attached this to the bug report, it should work... http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37767964/030-fat-client
[10:31] <alkisg> highvoltage: I think the description of the 2 options isn't clear, maybe it should be rephrased to reflect that the second form takes the desktop as a parameter, while the first does autodetection
[11:13] <alkisg> Heh, LTSP_FATCLIENT=True can also be used for troubleshooting, as it invokes an xterm in thin chroots ;) :D
[11:27] <highvoltage> alkisg: what's the difference between using bridging and bonding to combine ethernet cards?
[11:27] <alkisg> Trying to run googleearth in a fat client, I'm getting: "Warning: Unable to create symlink for lock '/home/test/.googleearth/instance-running-lock'. Operation not permitted.
[11:29] <alkisg> highvoltage: afaik bridging is to merge different networks, bonding is to make many cards function like one on the *same* network
[13:19]  * stgraber waves
[13:19] <sbalneav> Morning All
[13:19] <sbalneav> Edubuntu Bug Day begins
[13:20] <stgraber> alkisg: that's a limitation of sshfs, you can't create a lock file on it
[13:21] <alkisg> stgraber: ugh... I saw it working as a regular thin client, and I thought sshfs was not to blame, but I forgot that regular thin clients don't use localapps :(
[13:21] <alkisg> sbalneav: good morning - I guess it'll be a big day today :) I'll be around if I can help anywhere...
[13:22] <stgraber> right, it'd probably have failed just has well as localapp
[13:22] <alkisg> Hmmm I wonder if we can make an nfs /home plugin :)
[13:22] <sbalneav> alkisg: Well, we probably could
[13:23] <stgraber> you really don't want that ;)
[13:23] <stgraber> as anyone on the network will be able to access and change your files
[13:23] <stgraber> that's unfortunately one of the "small" issues with NFS ;)
[13:25] <sbalneav> right
[13:26] <sbalneav> That's why we try to avoid it.
[13:34] <dgroos> Good Morning
[13:36] <sbalneav> Morning dgroos
[13:39] <dgroos> So I saw that it was warmer in Winnipeg than Minneapolis by several degrees a couple of days ago--strange!
[13:39] <highvoltage> morning dgroos and sbalneav!
[13:39] <highvoltage> and morning stgraber
[13:40] <dgroos> Good afternoon highvoltage!
[13:40] <highvoltage> yay someone in a sane timezone!
[13:40]  * highvoltage hugs dgroos
[13:40] <highvoltage> (and hopes someone from the other timezones don't throw me with something)
[13:40] <dgroos> And I guess it's quite a bit warmer in the middle of summer than here in the middle of winter...
[13:40] <highvoltage> 27C atm
[13:41] <dgroos> As a sci teacher I get a kick out of those things :)
[13:41] <dgroos> 27!
[13:42] <sbalneav> -9 here atm
[13:42] <dgroos> highvoltage: actually I'm in the same time zone as sbalneav, it's 7:41 AM but I was trying to be multi-temporal.  Or something. :)
[13:43] <highvoltage> well you do a good job at it :)
[13:43] <highvoltage> shall we use a wiki page to list progress and things that happened during the day?
[13:43] <sbalneav> As per internet RFC 6303634, "Standardized IRC greetings", ans I quote...
[13:43] <highvoltage> or would gobby perhaps work better?
[13:44] <highvoltage> hmm!? I can't find RFC 6303634!
[13:44] <sbalneav> "One SHOULD use the temporal greeting appropriate for $LOCALTIME, and assume time_zone_convert() will translate for other IRC users" :)
[13:44] <highvoltage> sbalneav isn't copying and pasting it he's making it up! the emporor has no clothes!
[13:44] <highvoltage> sbalneav: hmm, that makes sense
[13:44] <sbalneav> heh
[13:45]  * sbalneav makes a fake RFC joke
[13:45] <highvoltage> :)
[13:46] <highvoltage> ok since there's no comment on gobby vs wiki I think gobby is probably the best to use
[13:46] <highvoltage> (and then later move it to a wiki page)
[13:47]  * sbalneav likes gobby
[13:47] <highvoltage> server gobby.ubuntu.com, document: edubuntu-bug-day-2010-01-12
[13:50] <sbalneav> Bug #485709
[13:57] <sbalneav> There's a few bugs in the gobby
[13:57] <sbalneav> they're all LTSP related
[13:57]  * stgraber rsyncs current Edubuntu live
[13:58] <sbalneav> Interesting that all the bugs anyone pointed out were ltsp bugs, guess no-one's gotten any application issues they're worried about
[13:58] <stgraber> I'd suggest we have some people download the current Edubuntu DVD image and list all the bugs they find in the gobby document, it should make it easier to make sure it's not already reported and we can then spot what's edubuntu-specific and what's not
[13:59] <stgraber> current best working Edubuntu image is the i386
[13:59] <stgraber> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/current/lucid-dvd-i386.iso
[14:01] <sbalneav> So, my desktop's a karmic box, and I run edubuntu in virtualbox.  I'm wondering if I should take an hour or two and actually update my desktop to lucid.
[14:01] <sbalneav> Thoughts?
[14:01] <highvoltage> I'm only going to do it in virtualbox myself
[14:02] <sbalneav> sorry, run edubuntu LUCID in virtualbox
[14:02] <highvoltage> I'm not too worried about grub issues, etc so much since it's common with everything else
[14:03]  * alkisg has edubuntu lucid amd64 as the main OS in his laptop
[14:03]  * alkisg also notes that he hates the edubuntu theme :D
[14:03] <sbalneav> maybe I should do the upgrade today.
[14:03] <highvoltage> stgraber: I notice the ubuntu iso testing is open on the qa tracker but edubuntu isn't: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/edubuntu/all
[14:03] <highvoltage> stgraber: do we want to test it for alpha2 today, or can we only do that tomorrow?
[14:04] <stgraber> highvoltage: I'll poke the release team about it
[14:10] <sbalneav> ok, once the iso finishes downloading, I'll install.
[14:16] <alkisg> Btw, for anyone trying lucid: updates today breaked X for a lot of users. If that happens to you, try apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-core.
[14:28] <alkisg> OK I'll be the first to ask for help on a bug: LP #491940
[14:29] <alkisg> I think if some Ubuntu or/and LTSP developers (other than myself, who reported the bug) posted that this actually works and it helps us, we would have it for Lucid...
[14:30] <alkisg> The maintainer was just looking for confirmation the last time I spoke to him
[14:32] <sbalneav> k, we'll get that one today as well
[14:36] <sbalneav> dvd down, burning
[14:41] <highvoltage> surely this can be closed as well? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/edubuntu-artwork/+bug/269853
[14:43] <highvoltage> (I went ahead and did so anyway)
[14:47] <highvoltage> total size is<PHONE_NUMBER>  speedup is 5.48 yay rsync
[14:55] <stgraber> highvoltage, sbalneav: Any preference for the time of our ldm dev discussion today ?
[14:56] <highvoltage> stgraber: I'm probably going to be away for dinner for about 20 minutes in about 20 minutes, but besides that any time is fine for me
[14:57] <stgraber> early afternoon sounds better then (I'll be leaving in a bit over an hour
[14:58] <highvoltage> ok, perfect
[14:59] <stgraber> sbalneav: Would 2pm EST be ok for you (1pm your time) ? (I'm free all afternoon, so choose whatever is best for you)
[15:00] <sbalneav> Should be fine.
[15:05] <stgraber> good, adding that to the schedule then.
[15:08] <alkisg> stgraber: setting SSH_FOLLOW_SYMLINKS=false in lts.conf solved the googleearth's symlink problem. It's working now, but I don't have opengl acceleration, I don't know why (intel client).
[15:09] <sbalneav> stgraber: So, if we're gonna move off of port 2000, which port SHOULD we move to?
[15:09] <alkisg> How about 9573, right after nbdswapd? Multiple ports will be needed for multiple chroots.
[15:11] <stgraber> sbalneav: no idea, issue is that NBD doesn't have any standard (as in registered) port or port range
[15:11] <ogra> dont forget that you need to migrate upgraders
[15:12] <stgraber> ogra: that shouldn't be an issue, lines are appended to inetd.conf only if not already defined
[15:12] <stgraber> ogra: so it'll stay on tcp/2000 for old chroot and change to tcp/<whatever> for new ones
[15:12] <ogra> only if port *and* image exist in there iirc
[15:12] <ogra> i might remember my crappy code wrong though :)
[15:13] <stgraber> we should always make sure that nbdport= is always set though, just to avoid some other issues
[15:14] <highvoltage> edubuntu-docs is at version 9.04
[15:14] <highvoltage> should I change it to 10.04 (lucid) when updating it?
[15:18] <stgraber> I'd think so (I don't know that package very well)
[15:24] <alkisg> Why on earth would a fat client have 131 fps in glxgears, while the same client when booted as a workstation has 400 fps? Intel 945GME [8086:27ae] (rev 03)
[15:28] <sbalneav> ok, backups are done, dvd's downloaded
[15:28] <sbalneav> wish me luck, loopy lemur, here I come!
[15:29] <ogra> oh my, the brave
[15:41] <highvoltage> hehe :)
[15:43] <highvoltage> ubiquity certainly works much much nicer at lower resolutions than it used to
[15:44] <alkisg> Grrr on the same fat client session, when I run glxgears as the local root (setting $XAUTHORITY and $DISPLAY) it runs fine. When I run it as the user that logged on the server, it runs slowly...
[15:44] <highvoltage> alkisg: that's to be expected isn't it?
[15:44] <alkisg> Why?
[15:45] <alkisg> Both are running locally
[15:45] <highvoltage> alkisg: ah ok, I understood it as you were running one from the server
[15:46] <alkisg> highvoltage: it greatly reduces performance. I think if we find the cause of it, fat clients will be a big success...
[15:47] <alkisg> Another symptom is that googleearth complains that I'm using a software gl, while when I use the same netbook as a workstation it runs fine
[15:52] <highvoltage> alkisg: what do you see when you type 'group' from a terminal as that user? at a guess it could be something as the user not being in the video group and not being able to write to certain entries under /dev
[15:52] <alkisg> highvoltage: oooops you might be right... /me looks
[15:54]  * alkisg hugs highvoltage again :)
[15:55] <alkisg> Finally, googleearth running flowlessly on a fat client! :)
[15:56] <alkisg> That group thing also affected ping times, e.g. on teeworlds 100 msec vs 800 msec!
[15:58] <highvoltage> alkisg: nice :)
[16:00] <alkisg> I was thinking of advicing standalone edubuntu clients for newer school labs on my Lucid manual, but now I'm sure I'll propose fat clients instead :)
[16:04] <highvoltage> stgraber: I pushed a branch for edubuntu-docs to https://code.launchpad.net/~jonathan/+junk/edubuntu-docs, last time there was a "Propose merge with branch" or something similar that I could click on to merge it again with the main branch
[16:04] <highvoltage> stgraber: did I do something wrong this time that the button isn't there?
[16:04] <dgroos> I've got a problem with some of my student's accounts--the panels are messed up... For example, both the top and bottom panels are at the top of the screen AND they are completely blank.  I can't add anything to them, either.  Any ideas?
[16:06] <highvoltage> dgroos: do they come back if you do something like press alt+f2 and typs "killall gnome-panel" ?
[16:06] <dgroos> highvoltage: I'll see...
[16:08] <dgroos> The screen flashed for a moment then went back to the panel-malformed screen.
[16:09] <highvoltage> dgroos: hmm, no idea what could have caused that
[16:12] <dgroos> highvoltage: thanks for considering this problem.
[16:14] <dgroos> I've used terminal to look at the contents of their home folders side by side, also I've looked for patterns of what's in the folders of the busted accounts with what's in the folders of students with working accounts.  Haven't seen anything major yet...
[16:15] <dgroos> Any ideas for other areas to start looking for issues?
[16:16] <alkisg> dgroos: to clear ALL panel settings for the current user: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel
[16:16] <highvoltage> yeah that's kind of last resort but probably what I'd do as well
[16:25] <dgroos> pulled away by a student!  I'll give it a try soon,  thanks!
[16:29] <sbalneav> And back
[16:29] <sbalneav> installation successful, getting my system back to "where it was"
[16:39] <dgroos> highvoltage: I typed that in and it cleared up the bad panels--they are all gone now.  I'm not sure how to create new ones.
[16:41] <sbalneav> stgraber: Is sabayon on the cd by default?
[16:43] <sbalneav> buh?
[16:43] <sbalneav> There's no mail program installed?!
[16:44] <highvoltage> who needs a mail client when you can have UbuntuOneMail!
[16:46] <sbalneav> I'm assuming there's just a problem with the dvd, right?  Or are you serious?
[16:46] <highvoltage> no I'm not :)
[16:46] <sbalneav> whew
[16:46] <highvoltage> probably just needs to be included in the seed
[16:47] <sbalneav> highvoltage: You got a jabber id?
[16:47] <highvoltage> I guess evolution isn't tied in so closely with gnome as it used to be, so now it probably needs to be specified manually in the seeds
[16:48] <highvoltage> maybe we can do thunderbird instead :)
[16:48] <highvoltage> sbalneav<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:48] <sbalneav> Hm, I'm signed into empathy, but my user indicator doesn't seem to work
[16:48] <sbalneav> Oh, I'd LOVE us to switch to thunderbird
[16:48] <highvoltage> sbalneav: who wouldn't?
[16:49] <sbalneav> k, added you, you get the message from your im client?
[16:51] <highvoltage> yep, accepted
[16:52] <highvoltage> I still prefer pidgin though
[17:07] <mhall119|work> is anyone from the edubuntu project going to be at SCaLE 8x?
[17:10] <sbalneav> mhall119|work: Not I
[17:10] <sbalneav> Ok, with the exception of my broken indicator applet, things seem to be working well
[17:10] <mhall119|work> they have an Open Source in Education focus again this year
[17:11] <mhall119|work> was hoping someone would be there representing the project
[17:11] <sbalneav> I don't think I've even seen anyone mention Scale, and I don't even know what it is.
[17:11] <sbalneav> Did you post something on the mailing list?
[17:13] <mhall119|work> nope
[17:13] <sbalneav> stgraber: seems like evolution WAS on the disk, but was removed as part of the cleanup!?  seems kind of strange
[17:13] <mhall119|work> Southern CAlifornia Linux Expo
[17:13] <sbalneav> mhall119|work: Then how were we supposed to know? :)
[17:14] <mhall119|work> I'd have thought word would get around
[17:14] <mhall119|work> it's one of the biggest community-driven oss events in the USA
[17:14] <sbalneav> two developers are in canada, one's in south africa, one's in greece...
[17:14] <mhall119|work> ok, well that could be why
[17:15] <sbalneav> You know, there's this whole big wide world outside of the US :)
[17:15] <sbalneav> If you'd like someone there, post to the list
[17:15] <sbalneav> maybe a loco team could have showed up.
[17:15] <Ahmuck> where is SCaLE 8x held at ?
[17:15] <mhall119|work> sbalneav: lies, the USA is all that matters, the TV says so
[17:16] <mhall119|work> sbalneav: the California LoCo is going to be there, they're hosting an ubucon during the event
[17:16] <mhall119|work> Ahmuck: Los Angeles
[17:16] <mhall119|work> some member of the Florida LoCo (me) will be there
[17:16] <Ahmuck> mhall119|work: u going?
[17:16] <mhall119|work> akgraner will be there
[17:16] <mhall119|work> Ahmuck: yup
[17:16] <Ahmuck> flying?
[17:16] <mhall119|work> we launched Qimo there last year
[17:16] <mhall119|work> yes, flying
[17:17] <sbalneav> Oh, THAT is broken
[17:17] <highvoltage> LA is like, on the other side of the planet for me... I guess I should start digging then
[17:18] <sbalneav> Even when I *install* evolution, it doesn't show up in the menus
[17:18] <mhall119|work> hm...
[17:24] <sbalneav> weather's broken too, and the session-indicator-applet's borked.
[17:25] <sbalneav> stgraber: what was the package that gave me the commands like "pbuilder-karmic", etc?
[17:28] <sbalneav> Ooooh, that's bad
[17:28] <sbalneav> apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone hangs at:
[17:28] <sbalneav> Setting up ldm-server (2:2.0.53-0ubuntu1) ...
[17:28] <sbalneav> root      4235  3940  0 11:26 pts/3    00:00:00 /usr/bin/dpkg --status-fd 23 --configure debconf-utils dhcp3-server openbsd-inetd ldm-server tftpd-hpa nbd-server squas
[17:28] <sbalneav> root      4362  4235  0 11:26 pts/3    00:00:00 /usr/bin/perl -w /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/info/ldm-server.postinst configure
[17:28] <sbalneav> root      4368  4362  0 11:26 pts/3    00:00:00 [ldm-server.post] <defunct>
[17:28] <sbalneav> root      4392     1  0 11:26 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/inetd
[17:30]  * Lns puts on his bugday cheerleader uniform
[17:30] <Lns> GIMME A B!
[17:31] <Lns> *hears echoing coughs in distance*
[17:32] <sbalneav> Lns: I'm here :)
[17:32] <Lns> hehe
[17:32] <sbalneav> Just updated my main box to Loopy
[17:33] <Lns> nice!
[17:33] <Lns> loopy lynx? =p
[17:33] <Lns> is that like...halfway lucid, halfway intoxicated?
[17:34] <sbalneav> I updated to Loopy Lemur
[17:34] <sbalneav> Don't know what the rest of you are running :)
[17:34]  * Lns still runs on hairy hag
[17:35] <sbalneav> Not even testing Lucid?
[17:35] <sbalneav> How you gonna find bugs for us to fix?
[17:36] <Lns> Well I actually just bought a nice used Dell server I'm going to be testing on =)
[17:36] <Lns> just last night
[17:36] <sbalneav> There you go.
[17:36] <Lns> I'm thinking of putting a minimal host system with KVM on and then running VMs inside it, what would you recommend as a host?
[17:37] <Lns> kvm/libvirt
[17:37] <mhall119|work> ubuntu server
[17:37] <mhall119|work> has support for kvm
[17:37] <mhall119|work> you cna play with their cloud offering too
[17:38] <Lns> mhall119|work: meh..not really interested in "cloud" computing yet. . does ubuntu server have any sort of automated installation for kvm?
[17:38] <Lns> I was thinking Debian just because it's kind of what ubuntu server always tries to be anyway
[17:39] <mhall119|work> I think it has kvm in the default kernel
[17:40] <mhall119|work> and tools for creating vms and running them
[17:41] <Lns> cool
[17:53] <stgraber> sbalneav: interesting, I guess we inherit Evolution from the ubuntu seed but then ubiquity makes sure that only edubuntu-desktop is installed and so drops Evolution
[17:55] <alkisg> !ltsp lucid
[17:55] <alkisg> !info ltsp lucid
[17:55] <alkisg> !info ltsp-server lucid
[17:56] <highvoltage> Lns: yay
[17:57]  * Lns goes out to his car to grab the server
[18:00] <sbalneav> Anyone have any idea why when I'm signed into empathy, my indicator-applet-session isn't registering my status?
[18:02] <sbalneav> oooh
[18:02] <sbalneav> we need to add lspci to the deps list for the client build
[18:03] <sbalneav> err
[18:03] <sbalneav> pciutils
[18:15] <sbalneav> Wow, something's REALLY wrong with LTSP
[18:15] <sbalneav> soon as I enter the password, X just disappears
[18:15] <sbalneav> hmmm
[18:15] <sbalneav> wonder
[18:18] <Lns> zoiks
[18:18] <Lns> you mean, crashes to another tty?
[18:19] <sbalneav> yup
[18:19] <alkisg> sbalneav: I reported that a while back, nbd-client is called twice and that causes ldm to segfaut
[18:19] <sbalneav> ah
[18:19] <sbalneav> no fix in sight?
[18:19] <alkisg> Sure, see my patch in  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/505787
[18:20] <alkisg> But it isn't a proper fix, it's a workaround
[18:20] <alkisg> We still need to find out why nbd-client is ran twice. stgraber, could that be an upstart issue?
[18:21] <alkisg> Grr I didn't send the patch. Anyway adding -n to pgrep solves it:   -n     Select only the newest (most recently started) of the matching processes.
[18:22] <sbalneav> k one sec, lemme see
[18:23] <highvoltage> sbalneav: evolution is installed by default on my edubuntu installation
[18:23] <highvoltage> sbalneav: and it has the menu entry
[18:23] <sbalneav> I found the menu entry
[18:23] <sbalneav> it's in office
[18:23] <sbalneav> not in Internet, where I'd expect it
[18:24] <highvoltage> yeah
[18:24] <sbalneav> but it DOESN'T update the mail indicator applet
[18:24] <sbalneav> at least for me
[18:25] <sbalneav> alkisg: adding the -n to pgrep fixed it
[18:25] <highvoltage> sbalneav: alkisg seems to really be on top of all things ltsp related :)
[18:26] <sbalneav> he's testing things far more than any of us
[18:26] <alkisg> Heh :) sbalneav, don't close the bug though, we'd better see if upstart is to blame.
[18:26] <sbalneav> which is why we made him a dev
[18:26] <highvoltage> sbalneav: good call!
[18:26] <sbalneav> yeah, but we should add the -n to the pgrep anyway
[18:26] <sbalneav> as a failsafe
[18:26] <alkisg> Thank you guys :) /me blushes...
[18:27] <alkisg> sbalneav: no, I have a better fix
[18:27] <alkisg> Calling nbd-client -c to see the particular process instead of pgrep
[18:27] <sbalneav> what's the better fix?
[18:27] <sbalneav> hm let me try
[18:27] <alkisg> I thought I submitted it but maybe that was when my lucid decided to reboot... :D
[18:30] <sbalneav> that returns the process id
[18:30] <alkisg> A `ps hp $pid | awk '{print $some_number}'` is needed afterwards
[18:30] <alkisg> But it should be safer as it doesn't guess which process is the correct one
[18:30] <Lns> alkisg: That happens sometimes when you become lucid...you reboot. =p
[18:31] <sbalneav> if we know the processid, might be faster to look at /proc/id/commandline
[18:31]  * alkisg needs to lookup lucid in the dictionary :D Is that latin for light?
[18:31] <sbalneav> "sane"
[18:31] <alkisg> sbalneav: wouldn't that be linux-specific?
[18:31] <alkisg> Heh
[18:31] <sbalneav> "thinking straight"
[18:31]  * alkisg ducks
[18:32] <Lns> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lucid
[18:32] <Lns> wow it's different than i thought.. i always associate it with dreaming only
[18:33] <sbalneav> hm
[18:33] <sbalneav> You know what the BEST way to fix this would be
[18:33] <alkisg> To patch nbd-client? :D
[18:33] <sbalneav> right
[18:33] <alkisg> sbalneav: YOU GOTTA STOP SOMETIME!!!!
[18:33] <highvoltage> anyone understand Launchpad well?
[18:34] <highvoltage> how would we, for example, remove screem from this list? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~edubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs
[18:34] <Lns> hehehe...watch scottie become upstream for nbd now too
[18:34] <mhall119|work> what part of launchpad?
[18:34] <mhall119|work> oh, no, sorry
[18:36] <alkisg> highvoltage: just guessing, maybe an edubuntu-bugs admin should visit the screem page and unsubscribe?
[18:36] <highvoltage> alkisg: I tried that yes
[18:36] <alkisg> k, no idea then :)
[18:45] <alkisg> Ugh another 150 Mb of Lucid updates, the 4th time since this morning...
[18:46] <highvoltage> that means that everyone is back from holiday :)
[18:47] <sbalneav> for DEV in /dev/nbd*; do
[18:47] <sbalneav>    PID=$(nbd-client -c $DEV)
[18:47] <sbalneav>    SERVER=$(ps --no-headers -p $PID -o cmd | cut -f 2)
[18:47] <sbalneav>    if [ -n "$SERVER" ]; then
[18:47] <sbalneav>       break
[18:47] <sbalneav>    fi
[18:47] <sbalneav> done
[18:48] <sbalneav> hold on, gonna test something like that.
[18:50] <alkisg> sbalneav: so you won't use /proc/mounts to see which /dev/nbd* devices are really being used?
[18:50] <sbalneav> no, we can just look at /dev/nbd*
[18:50] <sbalneav> there's only like 16 of 'em
[18:51] <alkisg> That would avoid calling nbd-client multiple times, though
[18:51] <sbalneav> and chances are, nbd0's what we want
[18:51] <alkisg> You already have this: NBD_DEVICES=$(awk '/^\/dev\/nbd.* \/ /||/^\/dev\/nbd.* \/rofs /{print $1}' /proc/mounts)
[18:51] <alkisg> Yeah you're correct about that
[18:51] <sbalneav> right, so we eliminate another awk
[18:51] <alkisg> okey dokey
[18:51] <sbalneav> which is a heavyweight process
[18:51] <sbalneav> lemme try it
[18:52] <stgraber> alkisg: don't worry for NBD, the reconnect is probably my fault
[18:53] <stgraber> alkisg: and that's gonna change quite a lot upstream in the next two days anyway
[18:53] <alkisg> stgraber: no, the 2 nbd-client processes make ldm segfault
[18:53] <stgraber> (as in, I have a working nbd proxy as of today)
[18:53] <stgraber> alkisg: ah, this one ;) never saw that here
[18:55] <alkisg> OK, so for now we just keep one of the nbd-client pids to prevent ldm from segfaulting, and we leave the bug open for you to fix the duplicate processes problem later...
[18:56]  * alkisg doesn't know what nbd-proxy actually is...
[18:56]  * alkisg looks at https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/nbd-proxy.dev ...
[19:00]  * alkisg finds the docs really illuminating: "nbd-proxy(1) is a nbd proxy server blah blah fill in later"
[19:00] <alkisg> :P
[19:01] <dgroos> y'all lookin' really busy :)
[19:03] <dgroos> highvoltage: the industrial-level desktop cleaning command you gave me: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel works like a charm!  After running it I control-alt-delete and when I log back in the user's desktop appears to be working great.  Thanks!
[19:04] <dgroos> Is there some way to run that command on the server on the affected accounts?  I still don't know why this is happening.
[19:06]  * alkisg slaps dgroos for not remembering that it was alkisg that gave him that command :)
[19:06] <dgroos> say wha?
[19:07] <alkisg> (06:16:05 μμ) alkisg: dgroos: to clear ALL panel settings for the current user: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel
[19:07] <alkisg> (06:16:32 μμ) highvoltage: yeah that's kind of last resort but probably what I'd do as well
[19:07] <alkisg> (06:25:56 μμ) dgroos: pulled away by a student!  I'll give it a try soon,  thanks!
[19:07] <dgroos> Oops!  Sorry! (Thanks alkisg :)
[19:07] <alkisg> :P
[19:08] <alkisg> dgroos: you can use the --direct parameter of gconftool-2 to run this for all users, but it might be easier to put it in /etc/xdg/autostart instead,
[19:08] <alkisg> so that it runs every time each user logs on. Keep it there for e.g. a week and remove it afterwards.
[19:08] <stgraber> highvoltage: are you available for a skype call ?
[19:11] <highvoltage> stgraber: hmm, my netbook is a bit messed up at the moment, I'll just need a minute to plug in my webcam on my desktop, etc
[19:11] <stgraber> highvoltage: no need for the webcam, it doesn't work when in a conference
[19:13] <highvoltage> ok just making a quick test call to check that all the sound stuff works on this machine at least...
[19:14] <highvoltage> stgraber: ok ready
[19:21] <sbalneav> I got a diferent mic
[19:21] <sbalneav> dunno if it works
[19:23] <sbalneav> boo :)
[19:24] <highvoltage> sbalneav: pvt?
[19:28] <stgraber> sorry for that, I'm back :)
[19:28] <stgraber> highvoltage, sbalneav: You guys are ready ?
[19:29] <highvoltage> stgraber: sbalneav's mic is still just a bit messed up, he's going to try another computer
[19:29] <stgraber> ok
[19:29] <stgraber> I had to quickly fix my X server ...
[19:29] <stgraber> Lucid works fine as long as you don't have to reboot ;)
[19:30] <highvoltage> my netbook's filesystem (on ext4) got messed up so badly last night that every single file in my filesystem ended up being in /lost+found
[19:30] <highvoltage> still not sure how that happened
[19:31] <highvoltage> I installed xubuntu lucid on there, but I guess I'll go back to using gnome again on there
[19:32] <highvoltage> stgraber: isn't there an interem board that we could use for the archive-reorg until the developer board is established?
[19:33] <stgraber> highvoltage: not really, though the board will be announced next week IIRC
[19:33] <stgraber> and I don't think we have any sponsorship issue at the moment
[19:34] <highvoltage> stgraber: ok, there's a few bugs with bug fixes attached as patches, mostly for main it seems though
[19:34] <stgraber> btw, is it me or hetzner is painfully slow at the moment ?
[19:35]  * highvoltage checks
[19:35] <stgraber> my IRC is extremely laggy, it's hard to use
[19:36] <highvoltage> stgraber: it's a bit slower for me than usual, but completely usable
[19:37] <highvoltage> stgraber: ping times to your hetzner box is around 410ms for me which is what I usually get
[19:38] <highvoltage> stgraber: weird, ping times to my hetzner box is better though, I get around 313ms to mine
[19:38] <highvoltage> they're probably in different parts of germany
[19:40] <dgroos> alkisg: so I make a file, make it executable, and paste this command: "gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel" and then put in /etc/xdg?  Who should the owner be?
[19:41] <alkisg> dgroos: nope, you right click on your desktop, select to make a launcher, and put the gconftool-2 command there. Then you chmod +x the launcher and move it to /etc/xdg/autostart.
[19:42] <sbalneav> stgraber: You gonna phone me back?
[19:42] <sbalneav> or should I phone you?
[19:42] <alkisg> dgroos: With the `sudo mv` command that you'll move it, root will be automatically the owner.
[19:42] <dgroos> alkisg: thanks mucho.
[19:42] <alkisg> np
[19:47] <sbalneav> alkisg:
[19:47] <sbalneav> if [ -z "$SERVER" -o "$SERVER" = "auto" ]; then
[19:47] <sbalneav>     # check for NBD devices
[19:47] <sbalneav>     for DEVICE in /dev/nbd*; do
[19:47] <sbalneav>         pid=$(nbd-client -c $DEVICE)
[19:47] <sbalneav>         server=$(ps --no-headers -p $pid -o cmd | cut -d ' ' -f 2)
[19:47] <sbalneav>         test -n "$server" && break
[19:47] <sbalneav>     done
[19:47] <sbalneav>     if [ -z "$server" ]; then
[19:47] <sbalneav>         # check for NFS root
[19:47] <sbalneav>         server=$(sed -ne '/ltsp.*nfs/ { s/^\([^:]*\):.*$/\1/; p; q }' /proc/mounts)
[19:47] <sbalneav>     fi
[19:47] <sbalneav>     SERVER="${server:-<IP_ADDRESS>}"
[19:47] <highvoltage> sbalneav: he's going to phone you on your voice phone
[19:47] <sbalneav>     export SERVER
[19:47] <sbalneav> fi
[19:47] <sbalneav> alkisg: This works for me.
[19:48] <alkisg> Wouldn't `[ -n "$server" ] && break` be more readable? That test looks lonely there... :)
[19:50] <alkisg> sbalneav: it looks fine to me :)
[20:02] <sbalneav> cool
[20:03] <sbalneav> yeah, I can change the test.
[20:03] <sbalneav> I'll commit to bzr
[20:03] <highvoltage> sbalneav: wouldnn't it be possible to have an LTSP Session that does all the call-outs, etc and run that from GDM? or do you need root or something funny?
[20:16] <alkisg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/491940
[20:17] <alkisg> For anyone interested, I uploaded patched packages for Lucid in my ppa:
[20:17] <alkisg> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ts.sch.gr/proposed && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:18] <alkisg> It solves the reboot/shutdown problem of ltsp clients with just 4 lines of code in gnome-session
[20:18] <alkisg> The maintainer is looking for confirmation before accepting those 4 lines, so if anyone can try those and post to the bug report it'd be nice.
[20:35] <sbalneav> ok, starting work on the ltspfs bug
[21:05] <sbalneav> aaaaaaand fixed.
[21:05] <jonathan_> ugh. lucid ate my machine
[21:06] <stgraber> edubuntu images are available on the tracker
[21:06] <sbalneav> "Dancing queen" is playing on my thin client
[21:06] <sbalneav> mounted from a memory stick
[21:07] <sbalneav> it's mounted 700
[21:07] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I nearly said something nasty :)
[21:07] <sbalneav> so, it's reading the stick
[21:08] <sbalneav> No talking smack about abba
[21:08] <sbalneav> abba's feaking awesome
[21:09] <highvoltage> I'll just have to listen to some Limp Bizkit to offset that
[21:09] <highvoltage> (and on CD like they did in the 1600's because lucid ate my PC)
[21:10] <alkisg> highvoltage: was that a recent lucid build? Or was it alpha 1?
[21:10] <alkisg> (that's the ext4 problem, isn't it?)
[21:11] <sbalneav> alkisg: what was that bug number again for the nbd thingy?
[21:12] <highvoltage> alkisg: lucid that I've been running for about 2 weeks and just been dist-upgrading, was originally a karmic install
[21:12] <alkisg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/505787
[21:12] <highvoltage> alkisg: ah no I was bitten by the ext4 problem on my netbook
[21:12] <alkisg> highvoltage: ah, so what's wrong with your Lucid?
[21:13] <highvoltage> alkisg: I can't even boot into single-user mode, it just seems to hang after it prints the filesystem check messages
[21:13] <alkisg> highvoltage: intel chipset?
[21:13] <highvoltage> alkisg: yes
[21:14] <alkisg> Try disabling kms
[21:14] <sbalneav> k, I've commented on it and assigned it to me
[21:14] <highvoltage> alkisg: ah the graphics card is nvidia
[21:14] <alkisg> k, not what I experienced this morning then :-/
[21:15] <highvoltage> I'm just leaving it a bit hoping whatever stalls the boot process will time-out
[21:15] <highvoltage> and then I just won't reboot my computer. ever. again.
[21:17] <dgroos> alkisg: Seems to have done the trick :)  Now can you tell me how to get rid of the "LTSP.org" login screen that I accidentally installed last night as I tried to get iTALC working again.
[21:17] <alkisg> highvoltage: Heh... maybe you should just boot with the live cd, chroot to your disk and do an upgrade, I've heard of some nvidia problems today..
[21:17] <highvoltage> alkisg: already did that
[21:18] <alkisg> Ugh
[21:18] <dgroos> I want my edubuntu login screen back :(
[21:18] <alkisg> dgroos: is that ldm or gdm?
[21:18] <dgroos> ?
[21:19] <alkisg> Is that the gnome display manager?
[21:19] <dgroos> I don't know how to answer that question...
[21:20] <alkisg> What login screen? The one you enter your username/password?
[21:20] <dgroos> yes
[21:20] <highvoltage> lol
[21:20] <alkisg> And, you aren't using thin clients, right?
[21:20] <highvoltage> I pressed ctrl+alt+del
[21:20] <dgroos> I am...
[21:20] <alkisg> highvoltage: and it booted? typical... :P :D
[21:20] <highvoltage> then it said "ctrl+alt+del pressed, rebooting system"
[21:21] <highvoltage> and then GDM started :)
[21:21] <alkisg> dgroos: and that login screen is on the server, or on the thin clients?
[21:21] <highvoltage> this is after I've rebooted a few times before already by pressing ctrl+alt+delete
[21:21] <dgroos> on the thin clients.
[21:22] <alkisg> dgroos: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 update-alternatives --config ldm-theme
[21:22] <alkisg> And then you need to run sudo ltsp-update-image
[21:22] <dgroos> I installed stuff last night and then in terminal it said something like, 'you don't need these files any more, remove them'  so I did...
[21:23] <dgroos> Thanks alkisg!
[21:23] <alkisg> dgroos: Ugh... if you removed stuff, it might need more commands
[21:23] <alkisg> What does the above command show you?
[21:25] <dgroos> "There is only 1 program which provides ldm-theme (/usr/share/ldm/themes/ltsp). Nothing to configure."
[21:26] <dgroos> I tried to re add edubuntu things by going to synaptic and typing 'edubuntu' and saying to add, like themes and artwork.  Then I ltsp-update-image, but it didn't work...
[21:27] <alkisg> OK, then you need to install ldm-ubuntu-theme on the chroot
[21:27] <alkisg> Synaptic manages programs on the server. Your problem is on the chroot, so synaptic can't fix that.
[21:27] <dgroos> Right.
[21:27] <alkisg> So now press ctrl + C to exit,
[21:27] <alkisg> run sudo chroot apt-get install ldm-ubuntu-theme
[21:28] <alkisg> and then go on with what I said before
[21:28] <dgroos> 'k
[21:29] <dgroos> you mean, 'sudo chroot' enter than 'sudo apt-get install ldm-ubuntu-theme'?
[21:30] <alkisg> No, all in one line should work fine
[21:30] <alkisg> But if you want you can also give it in two lines. You'll need to run `exit` in the second case, though.
[21:30] <dgroos> I got the message: "chroot: cannot change root directory to apt-get: No such file or directory"
[21:31] <alkisg> Ah sorry
[21:31] <alkisg> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install ldm-ubuntu-theme
[21:36] <dgroos> Cool, thanks, I selected the ubuntu theme as opposed to the ltsp theme.  Isn't there an edubuntu theme?
[21:36] <alkisg> Sure but you need to install it
[21:37] <alkisg> Ah no
[21:37] <alkisg> It's the same for the thin clients, the one with the red stripe
[21:37] <alkisg> (pretty cool :))
[21:38] <dgroos> OK so I'll just update image...
[21:38] <alkisg> Right
[21:38] <dgroos> And my server will work while I get my tooth drilled :)  Have a good afternoon/night!
[21:40] <alkisg> You too
[21:50] <sbalneav> Any chance we can get sabayon added to the seeds?
[21:51] <sbalneav> it'd be nice to have it on there by default.
[21:54] <highvolt1ge> pity we wouldn't have it in time for alpha2
[21:56] <stgraber> oh, /me thought it already was
[21:56] <stgraber> so, it's in main but not included on any CD ? :)
[21:57] <stgraber> seeds updated
[21:58] <stgraber> will be on the next CD
[21:58] <stgraber> so if it gets rebuilt before release, it'll be on alpha-2
[22:02] <highvolt1ge> cool
[22:05] <alkisg> stgraber: is it possible to also add the greek sounds for gcompris? laserjock added the language pack, but I think he forgot to add the gcompris sound pack...
[22:05] <alkisg> I tested them, they're of professional quality
[22:06] <alkisg> (gcompris-sound-el)
[22:07] <alkisg> Size: 2316800
[22:09] <stgraber> alkisg: that's -el I guess (if I remember my country codes correctly ;))
[22:09] <alkisg> Yup
[22:09] <alkisg> Thanks!
[22:10] <highvolt1ge> gcompris admin tool crashes for me
[22:11] <alkisg> ImportError: No module named pysqlite2
[22:11] <stgraber> btw, is there any reason why we don't have all of gcompris languages on the DVD ?
[22:12] <alkisg> Size, I guess...
[22:12]  * alkisg doesn't care about the size as long as it fits on a DVD
[22:12] <stgraber> well, last I checked we had a gig or so of free space ;)
[22:12] <alkisg> highvolt1ge: sudo apt-get install python-pysqlite2
[22:13] <alkisg> That fixes it, so we should fix the dependencies
[22:15] <highvolt1ge> alkisg: ok, is there a bug open for that?
[22:15] <alkisg> I don't see one
[22:16] <stgraber> adding all the other languages is only 10 packages
[22:19] <stgraber> ok, the issue was that they weren't in main, that's probably why they weren't included, though it's not really an issue now
[22:20] <alkisg> Ah, yeah, fortunately we don't have to worry about that anymore :)
[22:20] <stgraber> well, I do worry for some packages, I don't really for gcompris ;)
[22:23] <alkisg> highvolt1ge: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gcompris
[22:24] <alkisg> It depends on python-pysqlite2 there
[22:25] <stgraber> alkisg: it does in Ubuntu too though the dependency line is broken
[22:25] <stgraber> Depends: gcompris-data (= 9.0-0ubuntu2), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.29.3), libc6 (>= 2.7), libcairo2 (>= 1.4.10), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.18.0), libgnet2.0-0 (>= 2.0.8), libgstreamer0.10-0 (>= 0.10.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libpython2.6 (>= 2.6), librsvg2-2 (>= 2.26.0), libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.6.21), libx11-6, libxml2 (>= 2.7.4), python (>= 2.5) | python-pysqlite2, python-gtk2, gsg
[22:25] <alkisg> Ugh
[22:25] <alkisg> Yeah that's not right
[22:25] <stgraber> it's: python (>= 2.5) | python-pysqlite2
[22:26] <stgraber> though python-pysqlite2 wasn't merged in 2.6
[22:26] <alkisg> omg... apg-get source gcompris => 119 Mb. How else can we see why we what differences we have from the debian package?
[22:26] <stgraber> I'll do the upload, I can upload it in 2s
[22:26] <alkisg> Nice :)
[22:26] <stgraber> well, more like 10s but anyway
[22:27] <alkisg> ...it'll be 20 secs if you keep writing :P :D
[22:29] <sbalneav> alkisg, stgraber: point of intrest, ldm doesn't restart for me after I log out...
[22:30] <alkisg> sbalneav: how did you logout? using the gnome menus?
[22:30] <alkisg> Or do you mean by pressing the ldm button for restart?
[22:31] <sbalneav> alkisg: By pressing on the little power symbol next to my name.
[22:31] <sbalneav> and selecting "logout"
[22:31] <alkisg> Sorry I wasn't clear, I meant what button did you press to invoke the rebooting
[22:31] <alkisg> Because e.g. there are menus included in "applications > other" for rebooting directly from the session,
[22:32] <alkisg> and there's also the patch I sent to gnome session
[22:32] <alkisg> Anyway all methods work for me, except that some times it hangs instead of rebooting/shutting down
[22:32] <stgraber> seeds updated and new meta uploaded
[22:32] <alkisg> stgraber ftw!
[22:32] <sbalneav> No, ldm's not coming back up after I logout
[22:32] <stgraber> I also have gcompris uploading at the moment, though hetzner is really a bit slow, I'm only uploaded at 1-2MB/s
[22:33] <sbalneav> I'm just getting a text screen
[22:33] <alkisg> Oooh I did't get that
[22:33] <highvoltage> stgraber: what's your usual upload speeds?
[22:33] <stgraber> highvoltage: 12MB/s to ftp.ubuntu.com
[22:34] <stgraber> last gcompris upload took a bit over 10s
[22:34] <highvoltage> wow
[22:35] <alkisg> sbalneav: just tried again, everything working here...
[22:35] <sbalneav> Hmmm
[22:35] <sbalneav> weird
[22:39] <alkisg> Too late here to go on... nice bug day, thank you all. If you like, post a comment to LP #491940 :) Good night!
[22:45] <highvoltage> one moment...
[22:45] <highvoltage> http://paste.ubuntu.com/355765/
[22:46] <highvoltage> that's what I get when I run the gcompris admin module
[22:46] <highvoltage> even with the python-pysqlite2 package installed
[22:46] <highvoltage> (and before it's installed too)
[22:48] <highvoltage> installing the python-rsvg package fixed it for me
[22:50] <stgraber> are you saying I need to upload 120MB again ? ;)
[22:51] <highvoltage> sorry :)
[22:55] <stgraber> yeah, hetzner is back !!
[22:55] <stgraber> 13s to upload that version of gcompris
[22:56] <highvoltage> :D
[22:56] <sbalneav> wonder how hard it would be for a vncviewer screen script.
[22:57] <highvoltage> stgraber: how do we change the packages that are listed on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~edubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs ?
[22:57] <highvoltage> we don't care about screem or kino anymore
[22:57] <highvoltage> and we need to add things like pitivi to that list
[22:57] <sbalneav> Oooh, I'm getting "not a tty" on the ldm command line
[22:57] <stgraber> highvoltage: if you go to some /ubuntu/+source/<blah> you can change that
[22:57] <sbalneav> something's not happy.
[22:59] <stgraber> sbalneav: hehe, maybe not ldm but my VT change (the one I warned about on the ML)
[22:59]  * sbalneav goes to look
[23:00] <stgraber> though it worked for me, but I'm pretty sure there are cases I didn't test
[23:02] <sbalneav> stgraber: I'll take a peek, it's probably something like that.
[23:03] <sbalneav> going to cook dinner for family, back in a bit
[23:03] <highvoltage> should I modify the seeds for the universe apps we have been wanting to add for a long time now for tomorrows build?
[23:27] <stgraber> highvoltage: feel free to provide a patch or a branch and I'll have a look + commit
[23:44] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I guess that's it from me tonight, I guess bug day never ends
[23:44] <highvoltage> goodnight stgraber and sbalneav (and anyone else who's still awake!)
[23:47] <stgraber> good night
[23:58] <Lns> 'night highvoltage