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[15:01] <sil2100> o/
[15:01] <waveform> o/
[15:01] <juliank> o/
[15:01] <xnox> o/
[15:02] <bdmurray> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[15:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Oct 10 15:02:08 2019 UTC.  The chair is bdmurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:02] <bdmurray> #topic Lightning rounds
[15:02] <rbalint> o/
[15:02] <bdmurray> tdaitx vorlon mwhudson sil2100 infinity waveform xnox doko rbalint cyphermox bdmurray juliank
[15:02] <bdmurray> tdaitx: is on a plane or in an airport lounge living the life
[15:03] <bdmurray> vorlon: ?
[15:03] <vorlon>  * short week, was out on Wednesday
[15:03] <vorlon>  * finished NBS cleanup
[15:03] <vorlon>  * the usual end-of-cycle queue reviews
[15:03] <vorlon>  * started populating the packageset for not-for-i386 packages
[15:03] <vorlon> (done)
[15:03] <bdmurray> sil2100:
[15:04] <sil2100> - Eoan queue reviews
[15:04] <sil2100> - SRU reviews and releases
[15:04] <sil2100> - Prepared a different approach for the ubunut-image uc20 changes, wrote tests
[15:04] <sil2100>   * Waiting for PR review from Michael
[15:04] <sil2100> - Sponsoring/reviewing various packages for the pi4 support from Dave
[15:04] <sil2100> - Reviewing the pi3-gadget classic changes from Dave, looking into flash-kernel in bionic
[15:04] <sil2100> - Investigating the license file for the IMX6-related GPU firmware blobs, found possible issues
[15:04] <sil2100> - Coordinated investigation of the dragonboard core18 boot issues without serial
[15:04] <sil2100>   * New gadget in testing, certification found some other issues with it
[15:04] <sil2100> - Reviewed and merged the core18 check for snapd.service existing PR
[15:04] <sil2100> - Reproduced bug, prepared and tested a fix for the u-r-u partial upgrades being broken on eoan
[15:04] <sil2100> - Verified ubuntu-release-upgrader SRU for disco
[15:04] <sil2100> - Poked IS for a fresh full language-pack export for eoan
[15:04] <sil2100> - Helping out with image build advice for James
[15:04] <sil2100> - Started preparations for travel
[15:04] <sil2100> (done)
[15:04] <waveform> * Re-reviewed nitrogen6 MP - https://code.launchpad.net/~fisterra-team/fisterra/+git/nitrogen6x-gadget/+merge/371450
[15:04] <waveform> * Load of FFe updates for Pi4 boot:
[15:04] <waveform> - LP: #1846329
[15:04] <waveform> - LP: #1847163
[15:04] <waveform> - LP: #1847587
[15:04] <waveform> * Prepared update for including Pi build instructions in livecd-rootfs - https://code.launchpad.net/~waveform/ubuntu/+source/livecd-rootfs/+git/livecd-rootfs/+ref/image-build-readme
[15:04] <waveform> * PR for Pi gadget snap was merged - https://github.com/snapcore/pi3-gadget/pull/29 (tomorrow's dailies should theoretically boot OOTB on a Pi4)
[15:04] <waveform> * Reported an issue with RAM access on the Pi4; LP: #1847500 (currently working on this with Hui from the kernel team)
[15:05] <waveform> * Responded to various questions regarding the new Eoan dailies, including LP: #1847596
[15:05] <bdmurray> its a bit early for infinity and dave just wants to skip him
[15:05] <waveform> (done)
[15:05] <xnox> * discussed upgrades to OEM archives with techboard
[15:05] <bdmurray> xnox:
[15:05] <xnox> * subiquity bugfixes & release
[15:05] <xnox> * ubiquity bugfixes & release
[15:05] <xnox> * release week next week
[15:05] <xnox> * lxd group regressed core20 building, is ubuntu-base meant to have lxd group in?
[15:05] <xnox> * done
[15:05] <doko> - some laptop fun, turned out to be out a bad power supply, got a new one
[15:05] <doko> - binutils 2.33 release (although there are no upstream tarballs)
[15:05] <doko> - one more round of GCC updates
[15:05] <doko> - Python 2.7, 3.7 and 3.8 release candidates
[15:05] <doko> - another openjdk-lts update
[15:05] <bdmurray> doko:
[15:06] <doko> - still doing LTO ftbfs evaluations
[15:06] <doko> - python3-defaults autopkg test fun
[15:06] <doko> (done)
[15:06] <rbalint> * many systemd SRU verifications
[15:06] <rbalint> * updated systemd 242 again in eoan, still in -proposed, mostly due to regressions from i368->amd64 kernel switch
[15:06] <rbalint> * unattended-upgrades bugs gardening
[15:06] <rbalint> * preparing libevent transition for after release opening
[15:06] <rbalint> (done)
[15:06] <cyphermox> - short week, catching up from the beginning of the week
[15:06] <cyphermox> - updated translations for ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[15:06] <cyphermox> - submitting our shim for review
[15:06] <cyphermox> - will check if it's worth doing another ubiquity translation update now
[15:06] <cyphermox> (done)
[15:06] <bdmurray> juliank:
[15:07] <juliank> this is going to take a bit
[15:07] <juliank> * Remove the command-not-found-data package (LP: #1844651)
[15:07] <juliank> * SRU initramfs-tools:  Add support for panic=-1 value (LP: #1831252)
[15:07] <juliank> * Sponsored urdfdom{,-headers} bionic SRU
[15:07] <juliank> * Fixed apt list output for trusty ESM (LP: #1847496)
[15:08] <juliank> * Verfied https SRU for u-r-u and update-manager
[15:08] <juliank> * Some idea and merge proposal review
[15:09] <sil2100> cyphermox: when did you do the previous ubiquity translations update?
[15:09] <juliank> * Initial look at a python-apt bug affecting landscape client in python3 (in AcquireProgress, outputfile.fileno() raising exception where we expect it to not exist)
[15:09] <juliank> (done, I think)
[15:10] <cyphermox> sil2100: last week; but it was before the strings freeze
[15:10] <bdmurray> Are there any questions on status? other than sil2100s
[15:10] <bdmurray> #topic Release incoming bugs
[15:10] <bdmurray> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1847251
[15:11] <cyphermox> sil2100: (hence, my question, which essentially meant I'd check if there were new translations)
[15:11] <sil2100> cyphermox: ok, thanks ;)
[15:13] <bdmurray> Laney: Can you elaborate on what this bug is about?
[15:14] <bdmurray> xnox will test this and comment on the bug report
[15:14] <bdmurray> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1847458
[15:16] <Laney> bdmurray: should be fixed with the casper revert
[15:16] <bdmurray> Laney: that upload seb did?
[15:16] <Laney> yes
[15:16] <bdmurray> got it
[15:17] <Laney> if you want more details I can give them, but I would also expect that xnox understands it too :-)
[15:18] <bdmurray> Laney: well the bug description was opaque. Is the the GUI radio buttons in the installer for the minimal install?
[15:19] <Laney> yes
[15:19] <Laney> they rely on a file in /cdrom
[15:19] <Laney> which wasn't present due to the bug in casper
[15:19] <xnox> which is now fixed
[15:19] <Laney> that is now reverted, /cdrom appears consistently again, so the bug is not present
[15:20] <bdmurray> Okay, that makes sense now. I did an install yesterday and saw the minimal option so its probably fixed.
[15:20] <xnox> the bug report has old image timestamp
[15:20] <xnox> retesting with todays images to make sure it's there
[15:20] <Laney> I think we closed a different report in the upload
[15:20] <Laney> that one can also be zapped
[15:20] <bdmurray> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:21] <bdmurray> #link http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:21] <bdmurray> Can anybody speak to this?
[15:21] <rbalint> waveform, had libapp-stacktrace-perl
[15:22] <sil2100> So it seems the first 3 are all known
[15:22] <doko> bdmurray: you should be able to speak about the perl packages
[15:23] <bdmurray> doko: do you mean bug 1846217?
[15:23]  * gaughen waves
[15:23] <bdmurray> Christian indicates that these used to be in main.
[15:24] <sil2100> gaughen: o/
[15:25] <bdmurray> I'll subscribe the foundations team to both packages
[15:26] <sil2100> There are the python3-defaults failures, doko are you investigating those?
[15:26] <doko> django ... I had removed that, so curious why it's there again
[15:27] <doko> sil2100: no, not all
[15:27] <sil2100> doko: ok
[15:27] <vorlon> django-compat: I reran the tests and confirmed the regression is present in release pocket so I've hinted it now
[15:27] <sil2100> vcr.py looks like it might have regressed in release as well
[15:28] <sil2100> Since I see it failed for the six trigger as well
[15:28] <doko> yes, this looks so
[15:28] <vorlon> doko: you did remove django-compat before, and it made django-background-tasks uninstallable; why was it removed in the first place?
[15:28] <sil2100> I can pick that up and hint then
[15:28] <sil2100> bdmurray: I'll create a card
[15:28] <doko> vorlon: because it's removed in Debian testing, and ddoesn't have any rdepends
[15:29] <doko> python-msrestazure: this is a mess. should be all removed, or ignored
[15:29] <doko> see #u-r for that this afternoon
[15:29] <vorlon> doko: then you should have deleted it, not demoted it to -proposed
[15:29] <doko> and python-sparse: given back some hours ago, but I can't see any autopkg test updates
[15:30] <doko> vorlon: I removed one package, and demoted the other one
[15:30] <doko> and please approve python-defaults as well. would like to see the state of the mess *before* we are opening the archive next cycle
[15:31] <vorlon> I've done a retry of the remaining python3-defaults blockers without proposed now, to see what is ignorable
[15:32] <doko> are such retries described somewhere?
[15:32]  * sil2100 confirmed that the vcr.py is regressed in the archive, will fill a bug and hint
[15:32] <vorlon> doko: retry-autopkgtest-regressions --no-proposed
[15:32] <bdmurray> that's in ubuntu-archive-tools right?
[15:32] <vorlon> y
[15:33] <doko> can you see that from the log web page?
[15:33] <vorlon> no
[15:35] <bdmurray> have we talked about gdb and imagemagick in previous meetings?
[15:37] <rbalint> bdmurray, yes, imagemagick is a long running mir
[15:37] <vorlon> yes; imagemagick is blocked on MIR, gdb is blocked on a regression in a revdep which from the name would seem to not be a spurious regression
[15:37] <bdmurray> okay, let's move on then
[15:38] <bdmurray> #topic AOB
[15:38] <cyphermox> vorlon: xnox: chainloader regression might be a misunderstanding; modulo the arm64 issues.
[15:40] <sil2100> Example of a hint addition I did for vcr.py: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/britney/hints-ubuntu/revision/3964
[15:40] <bdmurray> Monday is a US and Canadian holiday
[15:41] <bdmurray> I'll be working in London on Monday though
[15:41] <bdmurray> cyphermox: Are you taking the holiday or swapping it?
[15:41] <bdmurray> vorlon: Will you be around on Monday?
[15:41] <cyphermox> bdmurray: taking the holiday
[15:42] <bdmurray> Anything else?
[15:43] <bdmurray> #endmeeting
[15:43] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Oct 10 15:43:04 2019 UTC.
[15:43] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2019/ubuntu-meeting.2019-10-10-15.02.moin.txt
[15:44] <vorlon> bdmurray: no, I will not be around
[15:53] <gaughen> I'll be around Monday!
[16:32] <sarnold> gaughen: (don't forget monday is canadian thanksgiving)
[20:18] <bashfulrobot> sarnold: Damn us Canadians. Ha Ha
[21:35] <sarnold> bashfulrobot :D


[00:00] <Takyoji> I'm not sure of there really being a "fate" either
[00:01] <Takyoji> I noticed that Web of Trust is apparently advocating the "Save MySQL" petition
[00:01] <Obsidian1723> hmmmmm ok
[00:01] <Obsidian1723> Kinda scary.. Oracle owns MySQL, Siebel, Java, OpenOffice.org and quite a few other things as well. They are the "Microsoft" of the database world right now.
[00:02] <Takyoji> yea
[00:02] <Takyoji> The only remaining competitor is PostgreSQL supposedly
[00:05] <Obsidian1723> yeah...unless someone comes up with something new.
[00:05] <Obsidian1723> My main concern right now is OpenOffice, as I use that more often.
[00:06] <Takyoji> I also use OpenOffice
[00:06] <Takyoji> just would be interesting to see more active of development (in terms of an end user)
[00:06] <Obsidian1723> yeah
[00:07] <Takyoji> It feels like one of the big project that doesn't get much love
[00:07] <Takyoji> It'll be interesting what will come of the GUI recreations for Blender and OpenOffice
[00:07] <Obsidian1723> nopers... maybe that will change, but Oracle now has StarOffice, and they may push that more... just like they may push tr MySQL.heir Oracle datab ase and their own version of Linux ove
[00:08] <Obsidian1723> nopers... maybe that will change, but Oracle now has StarOffice, and they may push that more... just like they may push trheir Oracle database and their own version of Linux over MySQL
[00:08] <Obsidian1723> fixed typos
[00:10] <Takyoji> ahh
[00:44] <_diablo> is there any way to grep for a file without a certain extension? e.g. looking for all media files not type .ogg
[00:44] <Takyoji> ls | grep "search query"
[00:44] <Takyoji> ?
[00:45] <Takyoji> otherwise that would be just of one folder
[00:46] <_diablo> more like ls|cat > foo.txt .... then grep -n foo.txt ogg
[00:46] <_diablo> but the opposite
[00:47] <Takyoji> Oh, anything that's NOT ogg.
[00:48] <_diablo> yeah, exactly
[00:48] <Takyoji> I know the regular expressions for a not is something like [^not-this]+
[00:48] <Takyoji> Erm; that's not exactly it..
[01:00] <tonyyarusso> Howdy folks!
[01:00] <tonyyarusso> Shall we meeting it up a bit?
[01:00] <_diablo> tonyyarusso, indeed
[01:00] <tonyyarusso> Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MinnesotaTeam/MeetingAgenda , as always - feel free to add to it if you have something in mind.
[01:01] <tonyyarusso> CosmicPizza_, exigraff, h00k, jenkinbr, kermit, mr_steve, ripps, sparklehistory, Takyoji, zomGreg: meeting ping
[01:01] <h00k> Greetings.
[01:01] <h00k> slash meetingpong
[01:01] <tonyyarusso> :)
[01:02] <sparklehistory> hi
[01:02] <tonyyarusso> I thought we should start with Ubuntu Hour discussion, since that seems to have the most traction.
[01:02] <h00k> pong, ACK, whichever we prefer.
[01:02] <tonyyarusso> Is there anyone who wasn't present for our previous discussions of it or still has questions about the concept?
[01:03] <tonyyarusso> Seeing none, we'll move on.
[01:03] <h00k> I have some tri-fold brochures that I made up for the Karmic Release Party that might be easily tweakable for handing out, if this helps.
[01:03] <h00k> tonyyarusso: you may remember these
[01:03] <tonyyarusso> So we've discussed a bit over the last few months, but nothing has actually been put down on paper yet.  I'd like to change that this week.
[01:03] <tonyyarusso> h00k: yeah, those are nifty.
[01:04] <tonyyarusso> h00k: Note that if handing out flyers you may need to check with the venue mgmt, depending on the place.
[01:04] <h00k> tonyyarusso: correct.
[01:04] <_diablo> Takyoji, locate /home/foo/|grep "\.ogg$" | sed s/ogg$//g
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> I'll start by saying that personally my days are rather open at the moment, although my schedule may get a bit more defined starting March 1st.  In the meantime, I'm thinking Thursday afternoons at either the Caribou Coffee at Snelling and B in Roseville or the Barnes & Noble across the street in Har Mar will be my weekly hangout.
[01:05] <_diablo> tonyyarusso, I think mr_steve and I are going to do an ubuntu hour downtown mpls on friday
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> anyone else in that vicinity?
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> _diablo: sweet - any locations in mind?
[01:06] <_diablo> tonyyarusso, mr_steve is looking into that. we're thinking a small coffee shop by mctc by the 16 line
[01:06] <tonyyarusso> ah, cool
[01:07] <tonyyarusso> _diablo: btw, the place I'd be headed after mine on Thursday is MCTC, so if you ever want to do a Thursday over there that could work for me as well.
[01:07] <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: either of those plausible for you to join in on?
[01:07] <tonyyarusso> any outstate ones in the works from h00k or Takyoji ?
[01:08] <h00k> tonyyarusso: I'm drawing up plans for one in Superior at a local coffee shop called Red Mug
[01:08] <tonyyarusso> excellent
[01:08]  * Takyoji tries to pulls his attention away from World of Goo gameplay
[01:08] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: I could possibly do the one out by you depending on what time you were thinking
[01:08] <h00k> perhaps an hour on a weekend (saturday/sunday) where I can get some homework done, also.
[01:09] <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: I have a lull between classes, so about 3:30 to 5:30, possibly with half an hour lopped off either end for food.
[01:10] <Takyoji> Prompting if I've attempted to start an Ubuntu Hour in my area?
[01:10] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: I get done with class at 3 so 3:30 would work for me.
[01:11] <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: okay.  Do you have any preference between B&N (cheap, all ports open on the wifi) and CC (purchase required, non-web ports blocked)?
[01:11] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: yeah
[01:12] <Takyoji> If I had someone else in the area to assist I most likely would
[01:13] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: uh, not really?  Perhaps B&N would be better from that description but it doesn't make a difference to me.
[01:13] <tonyyarusso> You don't need assistance - you just need to sit there! :P
[01:13] <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: 'k
[01:14] <_diablo> sorry, i was disconnected
[01:14] <jenkinbr> :O
[01:14] <jenkinbr> meeting :)
[01:14] <jenkinbr> sorry i walked in late
[01:14] <jenkinbr> wasn't connected yet
[01:15] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: Plan to start just by sitting around with a stock theme so people notice.  If you want to upgrade to handing out material and talking to people you can do that when ready.
[01:15] <tonyyarusso> although at least having a couple of live CDs for people who ask would be A Good Idea
[01:15] <jenkinbr> tonyyarusso, +1
[01:15] <h00k> I concur.
[01:15] <jenkinbr> always have the liveCD's handy
[01:16] <h00k> I'll probably have documentation on the MN LoCo and WI LoCo since I'm on the border between WI and MN, basically
[01:16] <jenkinbr> probably a few of each flavor, if you can muster it
[01:16] <_diablo> tonyyarusso, will you be talking to people unprompted?
[01:16] <_diablo> and will you be using your computer?
[01:16] <tonyyarusso> _diablo: not to start at least.  I'll be chillin' with my netbook.
[01:17] <Takyoji> I always have a LiveCD on hand; pretty much anywhere I go. xP
[01:17] <_diablo> tonyyarusso, so you'll be using your computer, or just have it facing out towards people
[01:17] <tonyyarusso> _diablo: using
[01:17] <tonyyarusso> Enable a few desktop effects, do some nifty multi-tasking, make the people behind you double-take :)
[01:18] <h00k> desktop cube works nicely
[01:18] <_diablo> okay, fair enough, I'm just worried that people won't ask. I use my computer all the time and no one does that :-/
[01:18] <_diablo> cube and wobbly windows
[01:19] <tonyyarusso> _diablo: you may be right.  We can adjust as people are comfortable.
[01:19] <tonyyarusso> I have a lot of people ask at school, but not in general public.
[01:19] <_diablo> same.
[01:19] <tonyyarusso> Do what you're willing to try, see what happens, adjust as appropriate - there aren't strict rules other than "don't piss off the venue".
[01:20] <jenkinbr> lol
[01:20] <_diablo> lol
[01:20] <tonyyarusso> Okay, so it sounds like we have a St. Paul, a Mpls, a Duluth, and maybe something south at least.  That's a decent start.
[01:20] <tonyyarusso> So what I'd like to see with each of those is:
[01:20] <tonyyarusso> 1)  Finalize your plan.
[01:20] <tonyyarusso> 2)  Announce it on the mailing list
[01:20] <tonyyarusso> 3)  Uh, do it.
[01:21] <tonyyarusso> 4)  Report how it went
[01:21] <tonyyarusso> 5)  Repeat!
[01:21] <tonyyarusso> Sound good?
[01:21] <Takyoji> So when approximately would the meeting start? I have some ideas to throw on the agenda
[01:21] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: hrm?  We're meetinging right now - go ahead and add them to the bottom.
[01:21] <h00k> deal.
[01:22] <h00k> tonyyarusso: although mine might be technically in WI, depending on where I go
[01:22] <tonyyarusso> Lastly on that topic, I've started poking around with some ideas of web site publicity for this, namely adding them to our calendar and hopefully adding them to a map as well, so people can find one near them.
[01:22] <tonyyarusso> h00k: right
[01:23] <tonyyarusso> Calendar is easy, but I could use a volunteer to do a little more research into the Geo Drupal modules - I've installed a few, but need you to poke around with them a bit and see what's the best fit for what we need.
[01:23] <tonyyarusso> Can I get someone willing to do that?
[01:25] <tonyyarusso> don't all jump up at once now :P
[01:26] <jenkinbr> I'm not entirely sure what we want to do with them, but I can poke around when I have a few spare minutes if someone is willing to fill me in.
[01:26] <h00k> tonyyarusso: can I ask who actually purchased the domain name?
[01:26] <tonyyarusso> jenkinbr: all right, I can try to explain what I'm thinking later.
[01:26] <tonyyarusso> h00k: Me.
[01:26] <h00k> tonyyarusso: that's what I thought, okay.
[01:26] <tonyyarusso> Just renewed it too.
[01:26] <tonyyarusso> all right, next up
[01:27] <tonyyarusso> This next one was actually Takyoji's idea.
[01:27] <tonyyarusso> Something about if people would like to put down on paper that they're willing to do such and such amount of work each week, from what I gather.
[01:27] <tonyyarusso> To me it sounded a bit like the 5-a-day effort, which has been rather successful in the bug world.
[01:27] <tonyyarusso> Care to explain more Takyoji ?
[01:28] <Takyoji> Hold on, I'll just copy/paste what I was writing on the page
[01:28] <Takyoji> "Set a general goal of what each participating user should accomplish. Mostly in regards of how much time taken. For example, at least 5 hours of volunteer work before the next monthly meeting. Anything from packaging, bug reporting/fixing, marketing materials, documentation, writing content (for the website, for Spread Ubuntu, etc)."
[01:28] <Takyoji> and when I say a goal, I mean overall perhaps.
[01:29] <Takyoji> This would be to have people potentially more active with contributing, people could be asking on the channel for help or ideas of what to do, which would help increase discussion on this channel a little bit more
[01:30] <_diablo> yeah, that would be good
[01:30] <tonyyarusso> So would this be basically a bragging rights thing, like Launchpad karma?
[01:30] <Takyoji> Generally
[01:30] <Takyoji> unless if we can think of more incentive for it somehow
[01:30] <h00k> LoCo Karma of sorts?
[01:30] <tonyyarusso> interesting
[01:30] <h00k> gold stars from tonyyarusso!
[01:30] <Takyoji> it would also be nice to have a "bookkeeper"/"secretary"
[01:30] <Takyoji> Whereas that person would be who everyone would report to
[01:31] <_diablo> Takyoji, I will be willing to do that
[01:31] <Takyoji> And if they don't hear from someone, they can be the one to remind them
[01:31] <_diablo> I'm an econ major, so I like spreadsheets
[01:31] <tonyyarusso> You know, I actually came across a few drupal modules for timekeeping and "upvoting" users - they could be useful for this.  ie, "oh hei, I did 6 hours of work this month, including A, B, and C!", "tonyyarusso likes this"
[01:32] <tonyyarusso> That would allow people to be their own secretary - just submitting directly to the database.
[01:32] <Takyoji> thus having someone reminding people would be a nice thing to keep people on task, and put people in more of a mindset of contributing, rather than just doing it once and forgetting about it
[01:32] <Takyoji> ahh
[01:32] <tonyyarusso> _diablo: spreadsheets boo, RDMS yay!
[01:33] <Takyoji> A few other interesting ideas would be to consider if we should find other collaborative tools, like Google Wave, for contributing content for the website or something
[01:33]  * mr_steve reads the scrollback...
[01:33] <tonyyarusso> _diablo: so I can talk to you about figuring out that kind of infrastructure and the reminding bit?  Could you also do a writeup of the concept and post to the mailing list?  (probably want to note that we're not requiring time - just letting people gloat about it)
[01:34] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: Wave is silly until it's non-private.
[01:34] <_diablo> tonyyarusso, I can make it effectively non-private
[01:34] <_diablo> I have something like 40 invites I can hand out
[01:34] <tonyyarusso> Well, I still think it's silly in general, but at least non-useful until then :P
[01:34] <Takyoji> there's also Etherpad, but then that might be too simple
[01:35] <Takyoji> and yay, I actually had a reasonable idea for once!
[01:35] <tonyyarusso> Even if we have invites _diablo, I don't think most people want to sign up for yet another service.  This is why I'm working on making our web site use Launchpad OpenID as the primary authentication.
[01:35] <Takyoji> My life is now complete.
[01:35] <_diablo> tonyyarusso, okay, fair enough. although I do think that everyone that uses linux probably has a google account
[01:35] <tonyyarusso> maybe
[01:36] <_diablo> tonyyarusso, and I can maintain things and be the annoying person checking up on others, but as far as setting up a web infrastructure, I will be less than useless
[01:36] <tonyyarusso> Okay, so between Takyoji and _diablo we'll hope to see an Action Item on that completed before next month and we can get a report then on what comes next.
[01:36] <tonyyarusso> _diablo: ah, noted.
[01:36] <tonyyarusso> _diablo: I can do the actual installing and stuff - you'd be more telling people how to use it and checking the results.
[01:37] <_diablo> tonyyarusso, I'm cool with that
[01:37] <tonyyarusso> Okay, next up is the t-shirt thing.
[01:38] <tonyyarusso> The update on that is that there's some interest, but not a ton (the survey so far has 10 shirts, I think 7 or 8 people, as interest expressed).
[01:39] <tonyyarusso> I think it would be wise to try to talk about it a bit more before doing anything, and what we really need is someone to just mention it a few times on the mailing list, solicit ideas, and try to get people excited about the concept.
[01:39] <tonyyarusso> Basically we got responses from the people who have come on IRC, but nobody else.  I think that's because we basically just thrust a survey e-mail on the list with no background at all, so people we're a bit surprised by it.
[01:40] <tonyyarusso> Would someone like to step up to look after the follow-up on that, getting people excited about having branded shirts to wear around and have for group events and such?
[01:40] <tonyyarusso> This one's just writing a few e-mails - no real work required at this point, so it's low-hanging fruit for someone who hasn't volunteered for anything yet.
[01:42] <mr_steve> What're we talking about here, just sort of a "Hey, we're thinking about ordering t-shirts, what does everyone think?" or what?
[01:42] <tonyyarusso> mr_steve: kind of like that, but less open-ended.  Don't just ask totally to the blue - be a salesman.
[01:43] <mr_steve> heh, that's never been my strong suit, just ask RadioShack :)
[01:43] <tonyyarusso> It's a bandwagon mentality thing.  If people think it's exciting and popular, it will be.  If they think it's just one guy posting a totally open question, it will be.
[01:44] <tonyyarusso> You can always write up your message in Gobby and have people here comment on it before sending if you'd like.
[01:44] <Takyoji> How about: a couple of us interested in the idea get together (just IRC though) and just discuss it further into details
[01:45] <mr_steve> Here's where I'm at with this: If no one else steps up, I'll take a crack at it, and I'll definitely write something up and discuss it here first for some improvements
[01:45] <tonyyarusso> That would work as well, as long as there are actually two or more people on paper as interested in following up.
[01:45] <tonyyarusso> So if Takyoji and mr_steve would like to coordinate with follow-up, we're good to go.
[01:45] <mr_steve> Works for me, Takyoji?
[01:46] <Takyoji> Works for me as well
[01:46] <tonyyarusso> cool
[01:46] <tonyyarusso> The last thing I see on here is starting to talk about Lucid release events.
[01:46] <tonyyarusso> I basically just wanted to get this on everyone's radar, and open if for any ideas people may already have, and get you thinking about it if you don't.
[01:46] <h00k> I'm going to talk with the Wi LoCo about getting perhaps a few around the state happening.
[01:47] <h00k> and maybe I'll make a trip over the bridge to MN for one
[01:47] <tonyyarusso> Release is scheduled for Thursday, 29 April, which means events could be that evening, the evening of Friday 30 April, all day Saturday 1 May, and/or afternoon/evening Sunday 2 May.
[01:47] <mr_steve> All I've got on the subject is that if something is set up, with a large enough venue, I'm willing & able to put up flyers at my school
[01:47] <_diablo> tonyyarusso, I'll attend an event. I will also post flyers at my school
[01:47] <_diablo> (UMN)
[01:48] <tonyyarusso> For the Twin Cities I strongly suspect we'll have access to TIES again, which gives us room for quite a few people.
[01:48] <tonyyarusso> As for flyers, the important thing is to start early.  We need to finalize dates/times/locations in time to send that info to System76, who will in turn print and mail us nice half-sheet flyers for FREE, which we can then put up at schools, coffee shops, etc.
[01:49] <Takyoji> Ooo
[01:49] <mr_steve> Awseome
[01:49] <tonyyarusso> But, printing and mailing takes time (a week or two iirc), and putting up takes a couple of weeks, and then they should be up in time to give people a few weeks notice as well.
[01:49] <Takyoji> As a sidenote; how about the nice little Ubuntu stickers? :P
[01:49] <Takyoji> "Powered by Ubuntu"
[01:49] <mr_steve> Definitely have to start as early as possible with fliers, since I have no idea what the posting approval process at MCTC is like
[01:49] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, we can get those too.  I have probably 75 still even now.
[01:50] <Takyoji> Could get some of those as well; and bring them to the installfest infact, if anyone wants any
[01:50] <Takyoji> Ooo
[01:50] <h00k> Takyoji: those are also provided by System76 if you're interested in being a "System76'er" they will send a bunch
[01:50] <h00k> I have approx 75 or so left, also
[01:50] <h00k> Also superkeys (generally the windows logo key)
[01:50] <tonyyarusso> Most schools you just have to find someone in the Student Life office (or similar) and get them to stamp it.  It's pretty quick, but needs doing.  Driving around to schools, coffee shops, community centers, libraries, and actually walking around posting them takes time though.
[01:51] <_diablo> mr_steve, at least at UMN, you can just post stuff. ppl tear it down eventually, but there's not really a policy
[01:51] <tonyyarusso> I really really really want to see *5* release events for Lucid.  Northeast, Northwest, West Metro, East Metro, and South should *all* have at least one.
[01:52] <mr_steve> Yeah, MCTC requires a stamp from Student Life, which presumably is just a drop-in affair, but they could be busy and have a backlog, I dunno
[01:52] <_diablo> tonyyarusso, do we have a large enough populace for that? and location
[01:52] <tonyyarusso> h00k, ripps: This would be a good time to give that school from last time a ring btw.
[01:52] <_diablo> I assume we want at least 10 ppl at each event
[01:52] <h00k> tonyyarusso: good call, in Duluth, yeah.
[01:52] <tonyyarusso> _diablo: Even 4 people is a party.
[01:53] <_diablo> aight
[01:53] <tonyyarusso> _diablo: but properly advertised I think we do.  We've been terrible at getting the word out before because we've always started too late.  Talking about it now, we can make it happen if people put in the effort.
[01:53] <h00k> and encourage people of all ages, sexes, experiences
[01:54] <tonyyarusso> Remember that they don't all have to be highly organized things like the one at TIES.  h00k's dinner / drinks thing was great, and totally low-key to organize.
[01:54] <h00k> Also, optional alcoholic drinks, make sure it's not limited to some place that might be restrictive of drinks
[01:55] <tonyyarusso> right
[01:55] <tonyyarusso> We'll get into location details more in the future, but start thinking about it.
[01:55] <tonyyarusso> Any other things people want to mention in our last 5 minutes here?
[01:56] <h00k> My name is Anthony, and I love Ubuntu.
[01:57] <_diablo> My name is Marcos, and I don't mind Ubuntu.
[01:57] <Takyoji> :P
[01:57] <_diablo> eh, it's sadly true.
[01:57] <_diablo> but I do love GNU/Linux
[01:57] <Takyoji> Anyone in the general south-ish/central area, I'd be willing to attend
[01:57] <mr_steve> My name is steve, and I haven't run a non-free O/S (on bare hardware) in 180 consecutive days :)
[01:58] <jenkinbr> My name is Brian and I cuddle up every night with an Ubuntu Bear!!!!
[01:58] <_diablo> mr_steve, yay!
[01:58] <jenkinbr> OK, maybe not THAT extream...
[01:58] <jenkinbr> but I still love Ubuntu
[01:58] <Takyoji> Ooo, Ubuntu bear
[01:58] <_diablo> I actually do have a plush Tux >.<
[01:58] <jenkinbr> wait, shouldn't it be a tux?
[01:58] <jenkinbr> lol
[01:58] <jenkinbr> :)
[01:59] <mr_steve> Seriously though, I missed the Ubuntu Hour part of the meeting, so _diablo, if you've got a few minutes after we wrap up, we can hammer out some details
[01:59] <_diablo> I'll take him to Ubuntu Hour mr_steve
[01:59] <Takyoji> Man; we should be merchandising all types of stuff at these LoCos. :P
[01:59] <_diablo> yeah, sounds good man
[01:59] <Takyoji> Shirts, stickers, stuffed Tux, etc. :P
[01:59] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: That would be fun :)
[01:59] <jenkinbr> well, I'm out
[01:59] <jenkinbr> gotta make a phone call
[01:59] <tonyyarusso> Thanks for coming everybody!  That went well.
[01:59] <tonyyarusso> Feel free to keep chatting as usual of course.
[01:59] <Takyoji> If I make up some money, I may actually be willing to follow-through with such an idea. :P
[02:00] <mr_steve> It's always a blast, hopefully I can start attending the entire meeting, eventually. got a 1yr old boy here, makes scheduling difficult
[02:01] <_diablo> mr_steve, yeah, I understand that.
[02:01] <_diablo> mr_steve, Friday at what time? also, have you looked into coffee places around mctc?
[02:02] <mr_steve> _diablo: I'm out of class at 11:40, so anytime after that is cool. I'm looking for places near the 16 route now, probably in the vincinity of the hennipen light rail station?
[02:02] <_diablo> mr_steve, sounds good.
[02:03] <mr_steve> It's actually on my way home, so it works well for me to meet you somewhere in that area
[02:03] <_diablo> mr_steve, I'm available from 12:15 to 4:40
[02:03] <_diablo> can be over there by 12:30 at the latest
[02:06] <_diablo> mr_steve, do you text? it might be good to be able to coordinate that way
[02:06] <_diablo> as we get closer to friday
[02:06] <_diablo><PHONE_NUMBER>
[02:08] <mr_steve> I do text. I don't have a phone though, just google voice, so I can't always reply right away
[02:08] <mr_steve><PHONE_NUMBER>
[02:09] <_diablo> ah, fair. <3 gVoice. I'm using that one too
[02:09] <mr_steve> So I'm kind of at a toss-up between a Dunn Bros or this Ambrosia Coffee place, 430 1st Ave N #101
[02:10] <_diablo> I lean towards ambrosia, but we can figure out if it sucks when we get there
[02:11] <mr_steve> Yeah I try to stay away from the chains, myself. Let's tentatively plan for Ambrosia, and maybe I'll bring the map of alternates along
[02:12] <mr_steve> And I'll have a phone in a couple weeks once I get my loan money, that'll make planning things a bit easier I imagine
[02:13] <_diablo> probably
[02:19] <mr_steve> _diablo: I almost forgot, but I also wanted to go over the format a little bit here. I'm thinking this first one at least will be very informal, we won't talk to the management, keep it low key, get a feel for what we're doing
[02:19] <mr_steve> Yanno, just sit and talk Ubuntu and see if anyone nearby gets curious
[02:20] <mr_steve> sound good to you?
[02:20] <_diablo> sounds great
[02:21] <ripps> dang, I missed the meeting, didn't I?
[02:21] <_diablo> I'll partition my hard drive and set up an ubuntu boot
[02:21] <_diablo> ripps, yeah
[02:21] <ripps> Why did the meeting have to be during House?
[02:21] <mr_steve> I'll just have my netbook most likely, so I won't be able to show off the eye candy. Maybe I'll drag the laptop along too, we'll see. 12:30, 13:00, something like that?
[02:24] <_diablo> yeah. I'll be there right around 120
[02:24] <_diablo> s/120/1230
[02:25] <mr_steve> Alrighty then, I'm gonna wander off and do some more homewerk, keep in touch
[02:27] <_diablo> yup
[03:15] <mr_steve> btw, is anyone runnin lucid yet? I'm considering updating at least one of my machines to check it out.
[03:18] <_diablo> mr_steve, I have a virtualbox that's going fine
[03:19] <Takyoji> I feel like the insane maniac to dual-boot it on my 9.10 desktop
[03:21] <Takyoji> although if I were to use it primarily; then there wouldn't be as much of an isolation factor than when using it in Virtualbox (in terms of reproducability and other factors perhaps)
[03:23] <Takyoji> I guess I probably should though
[03:45] <mr_steve> I might give it a shot on my netbook to see if it fixes the crash I get with my wireless drivers. Tho it'll probably just make it worse...
[03:46] <_diablo> mr_steve, probably, but won't hurt (more than 6 hours) to try
[03:48] <mr_steve> exactly
[04:09] <Takyoji> Anyone know how to checkout code from a code branch on Launchpad?
[04:09] <Takyoji> I'm compelled to poke at the loco-directory projects perhaps
[04:09] <Takyoji> project*
[04:16] <mr_steve> Takyoji: bzr clone <branch-url>
[04:17] <mr_steve> I think, it's been a while
[04:18] <mr_steve> ahha, actually bzr branch lp:loco-directory
[04:20] <mr_steve> that should create your own local branch, which you can then edit, commit, etc, and eventually send a merge-request if you have changes you want to contribute
[04:44] <Takyoji> Something that would be useful to be done in regards of the Spread Ubuntu project or something would be to have various statistics (facts though, not necessarily percentages that deal with users or probability) that could be used in marketing materials
[04:44] <Takyoji> Like a record of contributors, code, all the projects it comprises of, etc
[04:45] <Takyoji> Leaving for the night
[23:39] <Takyoji> I suppose I have a reasonable suggestion: We should also keep record of meeting minutes as well
[23:39] <mr_steve> Takyoji, that'd probably be nice. We have the logs, but concise minutes would definitely be more useful
[23:45] <Takyoji> It would pretty much almost just be "answering" the agenda
[23:46] <mr_steve> Yeah, basically.
[23:46] <mr_steve> Someone could probably just do it after the fact, from the logs


[01:54] <Oli> Is there any sort of moderation on Launchpad? I'm subbed to a bug where somebody has come in and started swearing the house down in a nasty offtopic rant. It needs deleting.
[01:54] <Oli> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dmraid/+bug/941874/comments/44
[02:22] <mwhudson> Oli: ask a question at answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[02:22] <mwhudson> ah, seems it's been deleted already
[02:35] <timjr> hi!  I just changed my username on launchpad.  It's been over half an hour and I still can't login using my ssh keys using the new name.  Any idea what kind of propagation delay I should expect?
[02:46] <lifeless> login where.
[02:49] <mwhudson> for codehosting there should be no propagation delay at all
[02:51] <timjr> gerrit
[02:51] <timjr> I'm testing with this command: ssh -v<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-p 29418
[02:52] <mwhudson> timjr: i would talk to the maintainers of that gerrit, not launchpad
[02:52] <timjr> ah, yer right
[02:52] <timjr> thanks
[02:54] <lifeless> (and if they did what I suggested a while back, there wouldn't be there, either)
[02:55] <lifeless> :P
[03:24] <philipn> looks like the PPA counters are (sorta?) working right now?  Are they being slowly re-filled?  Hard to tell http://mivanov.info/localwiki/
[03:24] <lifeless> they are being backfilled
[03:25] <lifeless> few more days to go I believe
[03:25] <wgrant> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1006323
[03:25] <wgrant> See my comment there
[03:26] <wgrant> But yes, new data should be appearing and the reset is being filled in.
[03:26] <wgrant> s/reset/rest/
[08:26] <czajkowski> jelmer: mgz vila one for you guys https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1017591
[08:27] <Fudge> hi bug 985621 on launchpad, I experience the same problem as I commented but apport is not running and I wonder if/how I can help provide more information.
[08:28] <jelmer> czajkowski: looking
[08:30] <czajkowski> Fudge: leaving comments on the bug so the others can see would be good
[08:30] <Fudge> czajkowski  I think I did that
[08:30] <czajkowski> Fudge: there does seem to be dialogue going on there
[08:30] <Fudge> thanks
[08:30] <czajkowski> Fudge: cool
[08:31] <czajkowski> jelmer: dank u
[15:55] <ttx> Hi folks, I have 3 openstack projects that are Maintainer=~registry that I'd like to set Maintainer=~openstack-admins on: python-glanceclient, python-keystoneclient, python-cinderclient -- How should we proceed ? zul can confirm it's ok.
[15:56] <sinzui> ttx, the Registry Admins are always happy to not own projects
[15:56] <sinzui> We can fix this now
[15:56] <ttx> sinzui: awesome.
[15:56] <ttx> we thought we'd not need those but we actually do :)
[15:59] <sinzui> ttx, I set openstack-admins as the maintainer of the three projects
[16:00] <ttx> sinzui: cool, thx!
[17:20] <maxb> Is there anywhere which displays a canonical list of which Ubuntu distroseries accept PPA uploads currently?
[17:23] <czajkowski> maxb: off hand I don't know, any reason ?
[17:23] <maxb> czajkowski: Getting ready to update an old PPA, would like to know which series I shouldn't even bother trying to upload for
[17:24] <czajkowski> cjwatson might know
[17:25] <czajkowski> maxb: said in the other channel as more chance of them knowing in there
[17:25] <maxb> ok
[17:34] <joey> (Error ID: OOPS-eff7a25ab2da6af5fb80a7466ca7d489)
[17:34] <micahg> maxb: why would you upload for a non-active series?
[17:34] <micahg> I mean non-supported
[17:35] <maxb> micahg: Well, the definition of "supported" hasn't always been the same in respect of "gets Ubuntu updates" and "accepts PPA uploads"
[17:36] <micahg> maxb: that's true, but why would you upload to a series that no longer receives Ubuntu updates?  it encourages people to run unsupported releases
[17:38] <maxb> You have a point, I guess I was just curious to check how closely LP PPAs are following Ubuntu
[19:05] <sidnei> hola launchpadders, im getting a traceback from restfulclient talking to lp, maybe related to some recent rollout? maybe i need to blow up the wadl cache or something? https://pastebin.canonical.com/68908/
[19:08] <TheLordOfTime> ... right... so the canonical pastebin is restrictive...
[19:13] <sidnei> how about http://paste.ubuntu.com/1061334/
[19:18] <dobey> hmm
[19:19] <sidnei> ohai dobey
[19:21] <dobey> weird
[19:22] <dobey> sidnei: is it doing that every run, or just that once?
[19:25] <sidnei> dobey, every
[19:25] <sidnei> dobey, except now that i blown the cache away
[19:25] <sidnei> rm -rf .cache/tarmac/api.launchpad.net/cache/*
[19:25] <sidnei> seems to have fixed it
[19:25] <dobey> hrmm
[19:25] <dobey> makes sense i guess
[19:26] <dobey> but i wonder what caused it to break in the first place
[19:27] <sidnei> dobey, the instance was shutdown (probably oomk)
[19:27] <dobey> ah. so it probably corrupted the cache when oom killed it or something i guess
[19:28] <dobey> oh well. back to working now i guess :)
[19:31] <james_w> the cache management in httplib2 is pretty poor
[20:01] <lifeless> nonexistent.
[21:12] <The_Fred> hello!
[21:13] <The_Fred> I want to get my package up to my PPA, and im stuck with the rules file...
[21:14] <The_Fred> since my packaged program is a python script do i need to uncomment dh_python?
[21:23] <maxb> Any template mentioning dh_python is critically obsolete
[21:24] <The_Fred> maxb, brilliant - thank you for that
[21:24] <maxb> Does your thing have a setup.py?
[21:25] <The_Fred> nope
[21:25] <maxb> Any python libraries, or just a single script file to be deposited into /usr/bin ?
[21:25] <The_Fred> just  a launcher, a script and an icon
[21:26] <The_Fred> i was aiming for /usr/share/...
[21:26] <maxb> Try fetching the Bazaar branch at https://code.launchpad.net/~maxb/+junk/example-package
[21:27] <The_Fred> ok, please bear with me
[21:27] <maxb> It is an exceptionally simple packaging I wrote once to use as an illustration in IRC conversations such as these
[21:28] <maxb> You should find it suitable as a minimalist framework to get you started
[21:30] <The_Fred> hmm
[21:30] <The_Fred> Permission denied (publickey).
[21:30] <The_Fred> i'll just use the browser
[21:30] <maco> did you upload your public ssh key to launchpad
[21:30] <maco> ?
[21:30] <maco> you need that in order to upload packages
[21:30] <maco> i think
[21:31] <The_Fred> yes i did that last week
[21:31] <The_Fred> oh - hang on - no that was the gpg key,not ssh
[21:31] <The_Fred> how do i upload my ssh key?
[21:32]  * The_Fred googles it
[21:36] <maxb> https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editsshkeys
[21:38] <The_Fred> thats weird - i DID set up my ssh key according my launchpad page
[21:40] <The_Fred> ok now its saying "public ssh key added"
[21:40] <The_Fred> so thats that confirmed :)
[21:44] <The_Fred> maxb, should i also include the debian directory when using bzr?
[21:45] <The_Fred> also i'm unclear about including a .deb file... i was told not to do that,but i've since had conflicting information!
[21:52] <The_Fred> maxb, any idea how i can deal with this ?:
[21:52] <The_Fred> bzr: ERROR: Unable to connect to SSH host bazaar.launchpad.net; EOF during negotiation
[22:03] <Laney> Is there a non-URL-hacking way to get between package tasks of the same bug? I ask because that current package is how LP decides which project an upstream bug watch is attached to.
[22:06] <wgrant> Laney: There's not.
[22:07] <wgrant> Laney: Well, you can search for the same bug in the target package's bug listing.
[22:09] <Laney> fair
[22:10] <maxb> The_Fred: PPAs only accept source-only uploads. No .debs
[22:11] <maxb> < The_Fred> maxb, should i also include the debian directory when using bzr? --- I don't understand what you mean
[22:11] <The_Fred> maxb, thank you :)
[22:11] <maxb> unsure what the ssh error means
[22:11] <maxb> ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is one way to test connectivity
[22:12] <The_Fred> ah , well , i have a debian directory that appeared after using dh_make, and i wasnt sure if that was to be pushed to bzr
[22:12] <maxb> It should print "No shells on this server." if things are working properly
[22:12] <The_Fred> i'll try ssh'ing now.... ive only got 40 mins of internet time left ...
[22:13] <The_Fred> ok, thanks maxb
[22:13] <maxb> The debian directory *is* the packaging. If you want to version control your packaging you care about it
[22:14] <The_Fred> aha - ok... go it.
[22:14] <The_Fred> as for ssh
[22:14] <The_Fred> .ssh/config: line 2: Bad configuration option: IndentityFile
[22:14] <The_Fred> meh!
[22:15] <maxb> spelling is important :-)
[22:15] <maxb> If ssh is a problem, here's a tarball: http://j.maxb.eu/~maxb/example-package.tar.gz
[22:17] <The_Fred> thanks maxb
[22:19] <The_Fred> i would like to solve this ssh problem so i can at least know my package has been pushed to launchpad
[22:22] <The_Fred> maxb, do you happen to know which port launchpad uses?
[22:25] <wgrant> The_Fred: SSH is 22
[22:26] <The_Fred> ok,thank you wgrant
[22:26] <The_Fred> im having a pig of a time setting up the ssh config file - anyone know the min contents it needs for bzr push?
[22:27] <wgrant> It doesn't need anything at all, normally.
[22:27] <wgrant> You just need your SSH key to be known by Launchpad, and to have run 'bzr lp-login YOUR-LAUNCHPAD-USERNAME'
[22:31] <The_Fred> ok - i'll remove the config file and try that
[22:42] <The_Fred> nope thats a fail, now bzr push errors with: Permission denied (publickey)
[22:42] <The_Fred> meh
[22:51] <wgrant> The_Fred: run ssh -v<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:52] <wgrant> Do you see it offering the relevant SSH key?
[22:53] <The_Fred> it says the signature is correct
[22:53] <The_Fred> that seems the most informative line in the terminal from
[22:53] <The_Fred> that
[22:54] <The_Fred> wgrant, sorry if i suddenly vanish off line, i only have another 7(ish) mins online
[22:54] <wgrant> debug1: Offering RSA public key: /home/wgrant/.ssh/id_rsa
[22:54] <wgrant> There should be a line like that
[22:54] <The_Fred> yes,i see it
[22:55] <The_Fred> oh, no,sorry, not with 'Offering RSA....'
[22:56] <The_Fred> i see:
[22:56] <The_Fred>  Found key in /home/fred/.ssh/known_hosts:1
[22:56] <StevenK> Nope, too far up, further down
[22:56] <wgrant> The_Fred: Do you have a /home/fred/.ssh/id_rsa?
[22:57] <The_Fred> wgrant, nope,just a file named known_hosts
[22:57] <wgrant> The_Fred: Where's your SSH key?
[22:57] <The_Fred> in my home directory... i need to move it?
[22:57] <wgrant> The_Fred: SSH looks at ~/.ssh/id_rsa by default
[22:58] <The_Fred> aha - thanks
[23:01] <The_Fred> thank you so very very very much i've now got a connection :D
[23:01] <The_Fred> StevenK, wgrant  ^^
[23:02] <wgrant> The_Fred: Excellent!
[23:02] <The_Fred> yay! :)
[23:02] <The_Fred> i cant believe that was all because i didnt have the keys in the right place..
[23:03] <The_Fred> hmm
[23:03] <The_Fred> bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "/fred-niggle/usi": [Errno 13] mkdir failed
[23:04] <The_Fred> :(
[23:04] <wgrant> That's not a valid branch name.
[23:04] <wgrant> Branches are named lp:~USERNAME/PROJECT/BRANCH
[23:05] <wgrant> https://help.launchpad.net/Code/UploadingABranch
[23:05] <The_Fred> ah,i see... thanks for the URL


[06:19] <jibel> Good morning
[06:20] <dupondje> Wohooo :) firefox update fixed crashing web.whatsapp! Great
[06:24] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:30] <duflu> Morning jibel, seb128
[06:30] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[06:31] <jibel> Hi duflu and seb128
[06:31] <duflu> seb128, getting closer to normal, which is an improvement. You?
[06:31] <seb128> lut jibel
[06:32] <seb128> duflu, I'm ok, a bit tired, baby was stomach sick yesterday evening and part of the night
[06:35] <seb128> good morning didrocks
[06:35] <didrocks> hey seb128
[06:35] <duflu> o/   didrocks   \o
[06:36] <didrocks> gnome-shell gdm is still spiking at 100%
[06:36] <didrocks> can't type, nothing :/
[06:36] <duflu> Hmm
[06:36] <didrocks> hey duflu
[06:36] <seb128> when did that start?
[06:37] <didrocks> yesterday
[06:37] <seb128> does it go away? or how do you manage to log in?
[06:37] <duflu> I will return to profiling gnome-shell soon. Maybe I can figure out how to run the login screen from git?
[06:37] <seb128> Trevinho can help you with that
[06:37] <didrocks> wait, can't type
[06:37] <didrocks> trying to paste something
[06:37] <seb128> stop doing IRC from gdm :p
[06:38] <didrocks> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/q6wwXqKbmG/
[06:38] <didrocks> no
[06:38] <didrocks> the issue is that gnome shell gdm is fine
[06:38] <didrocks> then you login
[06:38] <didrocks> yuor sessino starts
[06:38] <didrocks> and here, gdm gnome-shell goes crazy
[06:38] <didrocks> but if you kill it
[06:38] <didrocks> after a 3rd attempt, your session vanishes
[06:38] <seb128> weird
[06:39] <seb128> the new gdm is supposed to kill the greeter session after you log in
[06:39] <duflu> Yeah the login screen is killed on VT switching now so it's a bit less reliable at staying up than it used to be
[06:39] <seb128> what packages did you get updated yesterdya?
[06:39] <didrocks> seb128: it's definitively running here
[06:39] <duflu> Sometimes you VT switch and everything freezes
[06:39] <didrocks> I noticed it yesterday morning, so it means updates on Friday
[06:40] <didrocks> wait, really slow, I can't type for 20s every 10s
[06:40] <seb128> what packages did you get updated on friday?
[06:40] <seb128> looks like the new gdm landed
[06:40] <didrocks> I meant, on Monday, trying to gather the list
[06:40] <seb128> maybe try to downgrade that?
[06:40] <didrocks> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QTzwBd3bd7/
[06:41] <didrocks> yeah, gdm is in the list
[06:41] <seb128> yeah, gdm is in that list
[06:41] <didrocks> doing that
[06:41] <seb128> good
[06:41] <didrocks> unsure how I will do
[06:41] <didrocks> or maybe reboot, tty…
[06:41] <didrocks> as gdm is always around
[06:42] <seb128> Switching to a vt should stop the greeter session
[06:43] <seb128> I can get you the wget & dpkg -i command to copy/paste if that helps
[06:43] <seb128> bah, let's wait for him to be back
[06:46] <didrocks> indeed, reverting gdm works
[06:46] <didrocks> at least, I can type now :p
[06:46] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:47] <didrocks> seb128: switching to a vt kept the 100% CPU spike for gdm gnome-shell process
[06:47] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN
[06:47] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[06:51] <seb128> didrocks, good! please open a bug upstream, they have been responsive to reports recently
[06:51] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, en forme ?
[06:53] <oSoMoN> seb128, oui, et toi?
[06:55] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[06:55] <duflu> seb128, yeah I get the impression we were using 3.30 daily before upstream
[06:56] <duflu> So they have been slow to notice the regressions in gdm this cycle
[06:56] <seb128> oSoMoN, okish, kid was sick yesterday evening/in the night (stomach/vomited), let's see if that was only his stomach not agreeing with diner or a proper stomach bug (if it is, I hope I manage to avoid it this time)
[06:57] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:57] <oSoMoN> seb128, good luck with that, stay away from real-life bugs!
[06:57] <seb128> duflu, right, same problem as always, they don't have a big userbase so we are usually the first to throw the code to enough users to see the issues reported
[06:58] <seb128> oSoMoN, thx, trying!
[07:17] <jibel> tkamppeter_, did you talk to upstream about bug 1789184 ? It makes no sense to me to not release it in Cosmic until Cosmic is release.
[07:18] <jibel> Also it's on the ISO and cannot be fixed by an SRU after the release
[07:18] <didrocks> seb128: will do in a bit ;)
[07:19] <didrocks> am I really the one one experiecing it in a up to date cosmic ?
[07:19] <didrocks> (with Xorg, our default, ofc)
[07:33] <didrocks> seb128: FYI: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gdm/issues/429
[07:33] <gitbot> GNOME issue 429 in gdm "Regression in 3.30.1 (from 3.30.0): gnome-shell process in gdm is spiking at 100% once logged in" [Opened]
[07:44] <willcooke> morning all.  No water and no internet this morning.
[07:45] <willcooke> Internet fixed at least.  Turned if off and back on again.
[07:46] <popey> A future in IT Support awaits you willcooke
[07:47] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[07:48] <duflu> Morning willcooke, popey
[07:48] <popey> Morning!
[07:48] <duflu> ish
[07:48] <oSoMoN> hello IT^Wwillcooke
[07:48] <willcooke> :)
[07:51] <seb128> didrocks, thx
[07:52] <seb128> hey willcooke popey
[07:52] <seb128> didrocks, no cpu/gdm issue here, willcooke had some problems getting the greeter to display until he switched vt but that sounds different
[07:55] <didrocks> yeah, it sounds quite different
[07:55]  * didrocks opens the FFe for gsconnect new snapshot
[08:01] <Laney> sup
[08:02] <didrocks> hep Laney
[08:03] <Laney> hap hoooo
[08:06] <duflu> hip Laney
[08:07] <oSoMoN> hop hop hop
[08:07] <willcooke> RAOF, hihi!  This colord log spam... every time I resume the machine its adding a hundred lines or so of SNMP "stuff" to the logs.  Google suggests that colord has a dep on SNMP libs - that can't be right can it?!  Is there anything we can do to stop the log spamming?
[08:07]  * duflu forgot he was also annoyed by that
[08:10] <jibel> I've a ghost auth dialog on the screen, annoying
[08:11] <didrocks> seb128: FYI, I repinged k_envandine on the hub this time about the snap icon not matching Suru team (the team feels that despite opening topics on the snapcraft forum, they aren't really supported on that one)
[08:11] <didrocks> something to track IMHO before release
[08:11] <didrocks> (don't know if we open a bug and where for this, as it's a snap and pings on the forum doesn't seem to work well…)
[08:14] <RAOF> <freenode_wil "RAOF, hihi!  This colord log spa"> Hm. I see that too. I'll try disabling colord-sane and see if that silences it.
[08:14] <willcooke> RAOF, thanks!
[08:14] <willcooke> damn it, now I can't get cosmic to fail any more
[08:14] <willcooke> gdm works every time
[08:15] <duflu> willcooke, I wonder if you still had 3.29 installed and/or hadn't rebooted with 3.30 when logging that bug?
[08:17] <willcooke> duflu, it's possible I guess, but I've certainly rebooted that machine a lot of times
[08:17] <willcooke> I think I will reinstall again
[09:09] <seb128> didrocks, k, I would say that snap/suru icon is not trivial to solve and a low priority item at this point, sorry for the sure team if they feel like ignored but not much we can dp
[09:09] <seb128> do
[09:10] <seb128> we have more important problem with fontconfig cache version/startup time and theming still not working for most apps
[09:10] <seb128> and portals to land
[09:11] <didrocks> seb128: well, we can at least answer there are some investigation on it before they ping 4 times and wait for an additional 10 days
[09:11] <seb128> shrug
[09:11] <didrocks> telling there are also other things we manage
[09:11] <seb128> they are not center of the world, we have ten of thousands of bugs sitting without reply for years
[09:11] <seb128> sorry, didn't mean it to be worded that strongly
[09:11] <didrocks> yeah, but they are contributors, who devoted a lot of time for our default look
[09:11] <seb128> but yeah, welcome to reality, we are busy and they issue is a low priority one
[09:12] <seb128> I appreciate that
[09:12] <seb128> but there is only so much we can do
[09:12] <seb128> we struggle with release blockers issues atm
[09:12] <didrocks> but if not answering in 20 days and 4 pings is ok, that's fine, unsure why I try to mitigate and help there
[09:12] <didrocks> anyway, "not my pb", topic closed
[09:12] <seb128> noted
[09:12] <seb128> thanks for caring and raised it though
[09:13] <willcooke> I'll ask Ken to give them a general update on what's going on.  It's fair that we at least ack their request, even if the answer is "sorry, cant help right now"
[09:13] <didrocks> doesn't seem I should have raised it, but meh
[09:13] <willcooke> tjaalton, thanks for the xorg upload.
[09:14] <willcooke> didrocks, it's good that you raised it, thank you.  The solution is simply better communication.  That doesnt need to take us long to do, just need to do it.
[09:15] <willcooke> (easier said than done though :) )
[09:15] <didrocks> that was all that I was asking for, but it seems not widely shared, anyway…
[09:15] <seb128> I also think we need to somewhat set up expectations
[09:15] <seb128> it's not realistic that people expect us to be responsive on everything
[09:15] <seb128> I don't even manage to get people from our team to reply to me on trello cards pings or bugs assigned :p
[09:15] <willcooke> :D
[09:16] <didrocks> depending on who… I don't think it's a healthy state though that you don't get answer
[09:17] <seb128> right
[09:17] <seb128> I'm just saying, that icon issue is minor
[09:18] <seb128> they shouldn't expect us to be top responsive to every single of their minor issues, we do what we can but we are busy
[09:18] <willcooke> Ken has an email which lays out exactly what they're working on and the state.  That probably has enough info in to show why things are not P1 on his list.  I'll speak to him later about posting that on the hub or something.
[09:19] <willcooke> If we share that info then people can see what's in front of them in the queue
[09:19] <didrocks> +1
[09:19] <willcooke> that will show what seb128 says about it being fairly minor in comparison with the bigger fish.
[09:19] <willcooke> Give a sense of scale
[09:20] <willcooke> scale
[09:20] <willcooke> fish
[09:20] <willcooke> geddit
[09:42] <willcooke> Fresh install of Cosmic from last nights ISO boots to GDM first time.
[09:42] <willcooke> grrr
[09:42] <willcooke> maybe its fixed
[09:42] <willcooke> darn races
[09:46] <seb128> Laney, thx for doing that n-m update, I had it on my todo backlog but was struggling to get to it, nice to see it didn't miss cosmic :)
[09:47] <seb128> also nice to see that version lists items from the unapproved queue, I forgot it was doing that and even indicating them with a (Q) :)
[09:54] <Laney> seb128: nm, it fixes the crash that w_illcooke and I and probably others were having (silently, since it doesn't cause apport errors at all for some reason)
[09:54] <seb128> nice!
[09:54] <seb128> did you manage to reproduce?
[09:54] <Laney> yeah on the other laptop too
[09:54] <seb128> well I guess I could try myself to sig11 it
[09:55] <seb128> I'm curious of why is apport not triggering
[09:55] <Laney> right maybe try to kill -SEGV it, see if that doesn't apport either
[09:55] <Laney> the systemd unit has the hardening stuff enabled
[09:55] <Laney> that would be my first suspicion as a cause
[09:55] <Laney> who did the Q thing? you?
[09:55] <Laney> nice feature :>
[09:56] <seb128> I think it was robert a while ago
[09:56] <seb128> indeed :)
[10:14] <Laney> seb128: can you help with gjs/s390x removals in a bit please? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gjs/+bug/1794721
[10:14] <Laney> we should get the new one in sooner rather than later imho
[10:15] <Laney> going to upload ostree to get it off that list first though
[10:17] <willcooke> ok, new install of cosmic from yesterday, added proposed, rebooted - the gdm problem is back
[10:18] <duflu> :(
[10:18]  * duflu -> dinner
[10:20] <seb128> Laney, yeah, I saw your comment on the hub but wanted to check rdepends etc before doing anything and day went by before I had time to look at it again
[10:20] <seb128> willcooke, :/
[10:21] <Laney> ok well I'll upload it, you do whatever checking you want whenever you can
[10:21] <Laney> I just want a yes in principle so it doesn't end up not happening
[10:21] <seb128> k, I'm having a look in a bit
[10:22] <seb128> it's fine, +1 from me
[10:22] <seb128> well I mean deleting gjs on s390x is +1
[10:23] <seb128> I don't know enough about that late mozjs version change to have an opinion on that, out that it feels late so yeah if we do it the sooner the better
[10:23] <Laney> can't not be done really, security thangs and all
[10:25] <seb128> k, so let's do it! :)
[10:26]  * Laney roars
[10:30] <willcooke> Laney, oh noez:
[10:30] <willcooke> Oct  3 11:25:23 test-Inspiron-3137 dbus-daemon[868]: [session uid=123 pid=868] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.portal.IBus'
[10:30] <willcooke> Oct  3 11:25:23 test-Inspiron-3137 kernel: [    9.303956] show_signal_msg: 28 callbacks suppressed
[10:30] <willcooke> Oct  3 11:25:23 test-Inspiron-3137 kernel: [    9.303959] NetworkManager[484]: segfault at 18 ip 00007f39b9dd72d9 sp 00007ffed7021000 error 4 in libc-2.28.so[7f39b9d65000+171000]
[10:30] <willcooke> Oct  3 11:25:23 test-Inspiron-3137 kernel: [    9.303968] Code: e9 57 fb ff ff 48 89 5c 24 30 49 39 f7 74 5a 49 8b 71 28 4c 89 48 20 48 89 70 28 49 89 41 28 48 8b 70 28 48 89 46 20 4c 89 ce <48> 8b 7e 18 e9 1a f7 ff ff 48 81 7c 24 28 ff 03 00 00 48 8b 5c 24
[10:31] <willcooke> oh
[10:31] <willcooke> did you new version hit proposed yet?
[10:31] <Laney> no
[10:31] <willcooke> k, ignore
[10:31] <willcooke> sorry
[10:31] <Laney> heh
[10:36] <seb128> jibel, https://trello.com/c/NO4od6Pv/44-optimise-gnome-software-startup-time is one of the card we failed to triage/move in Brussel because you were at another meeting and the rest of the team didn't know what to do with it, can you update as fit?
[10:36] <seb128> jibel, oh, and https://trello.com/c/P0QWFNyr/28-add-snap-support-to-autopkgtest is probably for next cycle now?
[10:38] <RAOF> willcooke: So, `chmod -x /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/colord-sane` removes the SNMP spam (and partially replaces it with “can't spawn colord-sane” spam, but that's somewhat expected)
[10:39] <willcooke> RAOF, ah, interesting
[10:39] <willcooke> I would test, but machine is in a special state right now
[10:39] <willcooke> RAOF, is that something which can be fixed in the packaging, or is it a hack?
[10:40] <RAOF> That's a hack. Although it was possible in the past to disable colord-sane via configuration file.
[10:40] <RAOF> But what this suggests is that libsane is spewing SNMP errors during probing.
[10:41] <willcooke> what is it using SNMP for?  Finding network scanners or something?
[10:41]  * willcooke thought he'd seen the last of MIB files about 10 years ago
[10:41] <RAOF> Presumably?
[10:42] <RAOF> Because madness it's also possible that it's not libsane, but a sane plugin that's doing the SNMP.
[10:42] <willcooke> Should I go and bother sane maintainers?
[10:42] <RAOF> I think that'd be a reasonable port of call.
[10:42] <willcooke> ack, thx
[10:44] <RAOF> sane does not exactly have the best reputation here; colord-sane is a separate binary because when the main colord daemon linked to sane directly various sane plugins would leak fds until colord crashed (because of Ubuntu hardening; on Debian it would just consume 100% CPU)
[10:46] <seb128> willcooke, I'm cleaning up our current board by moving cards to the next cycle one now
[10:47] <seb128> so we can focus on the direct line to getting 18.10 out
[10:47] <willcooke> seb128, ace, thanks
[10:47] <seb128> most of the work which isn't targetted to get 18.10 out in shape can be postponed at this point imho
[10:47] <seb128> np!
[10:47] <willcooke> +1
[10:50] <seb128> didrocks, jibel, do you consider https://trello.com/c/mAIfBwox/225-new-installer-investigations as being the initial investigation/to be closed before the planning sprint/this cycle? or a card to carry over for next cycle?
[10:54] <xnox> Laney, seb128: +2 on purging gjs from s390x. it has been escalated multiple times to IBM that it is in a poor state, and out of scope.
[10:54] <Laney> escalated by who?
[10:55] <Laney> not sure why they are bothered either way
[10:55] <xnox> Laney, we sent requests to IBM toolchain team about, via our current engagement.
[10:55] <xnox> Laney, i think the reply was "is it used by nodejs?"
[10:55] <Laney> oh, then not sure why *you* were bothered :P
[10:56] <Laney> seems mozilla don't test spidermonkey on s390x though ;-)
[10:56] <xnox> another ibm wanted to run firefox =) and i'm like.... yo.... talked to your mates.... or better don't do it....
[10:57] <seb128> Laney, I still didn't look at it, but did you check if there as simple as removing gjs or if there are other packages using it to delete as well?
[10:57] <Laney> I put a list on the bug
[10:58] <Laney> it could be wrong in some way though, hopefully britney will give a more definitive one
[10:59] <seb128> k
[10:59] <seb128> thx
[11:24] <xnox> Laney, seed-webkit2 ?
[11:24] <xnox> nevermind, that one never built
[11:27] <Laney> probably easier to see what proposed-migration says
[12:14] <didrocks> seb128: yes, this is basically the "goal to deliver a slidedeck for Will to present at the planning sprint"
[12:15] <didrocks> (we still need to finish the time estimation as the plan changed)
[12:16] <seb128> didrocks, k, what I though, I kept it on the trello from this cycle, thx!
[12:16] <didrocks> and deeper investigation in curtin and so on while we are at it
[12:16] <didrocks> yw
[13:03] <jbicha> seb128: kenvandine: Security grudgingly approved bug 1750069 for cosmic only
[13:06] <kenvandine> jbicha: thx
[13:07] <seb128> jbicha, thx, launchpad do send emails, no need to proxy bugs comments on IRC though :)
[13:07] <seb128> (I saw it/mentioned it earlier)
[13:09] <jbicha> do we want it as a depends or recommends from ubuntu-desktop once MIR is fully approved?
[13:09] <seb128> that needs a ffe btw
[13:10] <seb128> recommends should be good enough?
[13:10] <seb128> you don't have to use snaps/flatpaks on Ubuntu
[13:11] <jbicha> ok
[13:11] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:12] <kenvandine> I'll file a ffe for it today
[13:12]  * bcurtiswx waves and goes back into hibernation
[13:12] <kenvandine> hey bcurtiswx
[13:12] <bcurtiswx> hope ya'll are doing OK, it's been too long
[13:21] <willcooke> tkamppeter_, hi! Did anything change in xenial re: the printing stack?
[13:44] <seb128> k, I tried to cherry pick a gtk commit as a patch using gbp pq rebase/git cherry-pick -x <id>/gbp pq export --no-patch-numbers
[13:44] <seb128> that's a fail
[13:44] <seb128> well the patch is there but it did a stack of random formatting changes to other patches :/
[13:44] <seb128> how do I undo those?
[13:45] <Laney> like updating the indexes?
[13:45] <seb128> like removing "-# Patches not in Debian" from debian/patches/series
[13:46] <Laney> yeah, topic is gbp pq's way of doing that
[13:46] <Laney> if you do git add -p you can just add the bits you care about to the commit
[13:47] <seb128> and then how can I tell it to discard the other ones from the "staging"?
[13:47] <Laney> after committing, git reset --hard
[13:47] <seb128> thx
[13:50] <seb128> is there a command that auto-magically take the changelog diff to suggest a git commit msg?
[13:52] <Laney> debcommit
[13:52] <seb128> ah, thx
[13:52] <Laney> -e to edit it
[13:52] <seb128> same as with bzr :p
[13:52] <Laney> yep it works with most vcs
[14:10] <seb128> is git tag signing really bringing value?
[14:11]  * seb128 finds those annoying, get prompted more than I would like when doing updates
[14:11] <seb128> (unsure why the agent doesn't catch those sometme for me also)
[14:15] <Laney> I like that we have an indication that you can trust in git that the tag corresponds to the archive's upload
[14:15]  * Laney is building a new desktop iso now so people can test if the xorg-server fix worked
[14:16] <seb128> \o/
[14:16] <seb128> I'm unsure to understand how the signing provide more trust
[14:16] <seb128> you need to be able to commit to tag right?
[14:16] <seb128> what sort of errors/attack does it prevent to sign?
[14:18] <Laney> wherever you get the tag from you know it is good
[14:20] <seb128> k, I need to read about this
[14:21] <Laney> it means you don't have to trust the place you are getting the commits from
[14:22] <seb128> I've a feel of why it's useful for but not really a concrete one, it still looks like to me it that it protects from temperring with a tag but if someone gets access to vcs with the intend to screw things in there I feel like we have other problems
[14:22] <seb128> well, we don't sign commits though
[14:22] <seb128> so nothing tells me than the content staged since the previous upload didn't get screwed
[14:23] <Laney> indeed, that's the uploader's review
[14:23] <Laney> that is what you are signing
[14:23] <seb128> I see
[14:23] <seb128> thx
[14:25] <seb128> gnome-control-center$ git checkout pristine-tar
[14:25] <seb128> error: pathspec 'pristine-tar' did not match any file(s) known to git.
[14:25] <seb128> :(
[14:25] <seb128> git grrr :)
[14:25]  * seb128 googles on what he did wrong this time
[14:25] <seb128> I guess I need to -b pristine-tar pristine-tar right?
[14:26] <seb128> sometime that seems to be implicit/work out of the box and sometime not
[14:26] <seb128> -b pristine-tar origin/pristine-tar
[14:26] <seb128> I mean
[14:27] <Laney> if you use gbp clone it sets that up for you
[14:27] <seb128> ah, I probably used git in that case
[14:27] <seb128> I just want to fix/update the pristine-tar from debian :/
[14:28] <seb128> my local copy is 1 commit ahead 4 behind from the remote one, I probably did something wrong
[14:28] <seb128> $ git pull salsa pristine-tar
[14:28] <seb128> Depuis https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-control-center
[14:28] <seb128>  * branch            pristine-tar -> FETCH_HEAD
[14:28] <seb128> warning: Cannot merge binary files: gnome-control-center_3.30.0.orig.tar.xz.delta (HEAD vs. 24ecec67bc2fe60204daefdbfe6fd276250f5632)
[14:28] <seb128> shrug
[14:28] <seb128> or maybe that's not me, I'm not the one that did 3.30 :p
[14:31] <seb128> sorry team, but I'm going to let that in a buggy state for now I think
[14:31] <seb128> I've a long todo still for this week and it's over my git foo to sort that out
[14:32] <Laney> fixed
[14:34] <seb128> how did you do it?
[14:34] <Laney> in salsa/pristine-tar, I did "git merge -s ours lp/pristine-tar"
[14:34] <Laney> then pushed to lp and salsa
[14:35] <seb128> is that a case where it diverged because people did the same update on both side in an independent way?
[14:35] <seb128> upstream/latest has a similar issue I guess
[14:36] <seb128> though a git pull leads to a merge in that case
[14:36] <seb128> unsure if that's the right thing to do though?
[14:36] <Laney> yes, see ee7d28708 and 6c73a4253
[14:36] <seb128> k, makes sense
[14:37] <Laney> this won't happen once we unleash The Plan
[14:40] <willcooke> thanks for the fix zyga
[14:40] <zyga> willcooke: I'm sorry for missing this in the first place!
[14:40] <zyga> happy I could help though
[14:40] <willcooke> zyga, nw!
[14:40] <zyga> I was worried this is some deeper kernel voodoo
[14:41] <seb128> Laney, what about upstream/latest, should I commit the merge than a git pull gives me?
[14:42] <Laney> I would rather merge the ubuntu one into salsa/upstream/latest and then push that to lp and salsa
[14:42] <Laney> well, I don't know what result that merge is giving you
[14:43] <Laney> something like "git checkout -b salsa-upstream-latest salsa/upstream/latest && git merge origin/upstream/latest"
[14:43] <Laney> then check "git diff salsa/upstream/latest" to make sure it is empty and push to salsa and origin
[14:44] <Laney> I assume "salsa" refers to salsa and "origin" to launchpad, adjust if that is not true
[14:45] <seb128> it does
[14:45] <seb128> thx
[14:46] <seb128> that git diff is empty
[14:46] <seb128> thx
[14:47] <Laney> hopefully stop having to do this weird stuff soon
[14:47] <seb128> yes
[14:47]  * Laney needs to send ze email
[14:52] <seb128> k, did it
[14:52] <seb128> I hope I didn't screw something up again
[14:53] <Laney> looks good here
[14:54] <seb128> great, thx :)
[14:54] <Laney> don't forget upstream/3.30.1
[14:57] <seb128> bah
[14:59] <seb128> of course clicking "merge" in the salsa web UI doesn't get those
[14:59] <seb128> needs to add the remote from andy to my vcs now I guess to fetch the tag and push it
[14:59] <seb128> done
[14:59] <Laney> ♥
[15:12] <andyrock> seb128: thanks for the reviews <3
[15:13] <seb128> andyrock, yw!
[15:18] <didrocks> do-release-upgrade -d doesn't work from bionic
[15:18] <didrocks> telling not running latest supported version (which is false)
[15:19] <didrocks> let me ask bdmurray on -devel
[15:20] <jbicha> didrocks: did you tell it to notify you of any Ubuntu version, not just LTS?
[15:20] <didrocks> jbicha: I just run it manually with -d ^
[15:20] <jbicha> right but that will pull from http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts-development
[15:20] <didrocks> I wasn't expecting that setting to have an impact there
[15:20] <didrocks> but it seems it does, indeed
[15:20] <didrocks> thanks jbicha
[15:20] <jbicha> but you need http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development
[15:23] <didrocks> ah, and I do have the appstream failure now
[15:27] <seb128> Laney, btw gjs/s390x list of binaries removed
[15:28] <Laney> thx!
[15:28]  * Laney whips the release team
[15:39] <jbicha> seb128: could you remove mozjs60 too if you didn't already?
[15:39] <jbicha> on s390x
[15:40] <seb128> what's the rational?
[15:40] <jbicha> the same reason. mozjs60 fails so many tests on s390x that we don't think mozjs60 runs on that arch. It's the reason we're removing gjs/s390x
[15:41] <jbicha> Debian bug 909536
[15:43] <jbicha> it's blocking mozjs60 60.2.1-1 in -proposed since the earlier upload ignored those test failures
[15:48] <seb128> k
[15:49] <Laney> there's a new iso btw
[15:49] <seb128> oh, nice, thanks Laney!
[15:49] <Laney> in case virtualbox friends want to test virtualbox things
[15:49] <seb128> jibel might
[15:49] <didrocks> Trevinho: is there anyway to tell G-S to reload remotely?
[15:52] <seb128> jbicha, done
[15:52] <jibel> Laney, what's new in this image?
[15:53] <Laney>  xorg that is supposed to fix the things
[15:54] <jibel> k
[15:54] <jibel> i'll try it
[15:55] <Laney> 😚
[15:57] <didrocks> Trevinho: it seems that one idea would be to run on the eval dbus call: eval("Meta.restart(_('Restarting…'))")
[15:57] <willcooke> Trevinho, thanks for looking at that u/s gdm issue
[15:57] <willcooke> Laney, I'll download and try
[15:57] <didrocks> (need to check for wayland compositor first though)
[16:15] <willcooke> jibel, Laney: First attempt, corrupted display, switching tty and back fixed it.  Attempt #2: I get a log in prompt.
[16:15] <willcooke> a gdm prompt I should say
[16:16] <willcooke> it's better, but not sure if it's quite right yet
[16:16] <willcooke> attempt 3, gdm again
[16:16] <willcooke> oh
[16:16] <willcooke> ignore #2 and #3
[16:16] <willcooke> the ISO had popped out
[16:17] <Laney> you should probably tell tjaalton and/or Trevinho
[16:17] <willcooke> Laney, ack
[16:18] <Laney> :>
[16:19] <willcooke> tjaalton, https://imgur.com/a/oxOHdyu
[16:19] <willcooke> jibel, Trevinho ^
[16:28] <willcooke> FWIW, nomodeset still fixes it
[17:16] <Trevinho> mhmhmh
[18:35] <willcooke> Hm, new ISO Ubiquity seems very crashy
[18:36] <willcooke> Suddenly seeing this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1676647
[18:38] <sarnold> Found label 'Ubuntu-Studio 17.04 _Zesty Zapus_ - Beta amd64 (20170321)'
[18:39] <willcooke> thats the bug it told me had already been reported, I dont believe it any more :)
[18:39] <willcooke> this is a network manager / Ubiquity thing
[18:39] <sarnold> yeah :) I'm willing to say you found a new one :) hehe
[18:39] <willcooke> :D
[18:44] <xnox> a zapus appears in your path
[18:46] <willcooke> New bug for tomorrow
[18:46] <willcooke> Bug #1795955
[18:49] <tjaalton> willcooke: restart virtualbox.. helped on windows. i had the same with bionic guest
[18:49] <sarnold> I love how systemd shoves its inane chatter in the middle of the kernel inspecting ACPI tables.. somehow I doubt it's started CUPS before node 0 is brought up..
[18:51] <sarnold> is this syslog like seven or eight boots that happened all at the same "time" and thus have had their log entries intermixed?
[18:51] <willcooke> tjaalton, testing
[18:52] <willcooke> sarnold, it's a live session if that makes any difference
[18:53] <willcooke> tjaalton, oh, are you talking about the corrupted graphics, or this ubiquity thing?
[18:56] <willcooke> I restarted virtual box and the graphics corruption is still there.
[18:57] <willcooke> The ubiquiuty issue is on real hardware
[18:57] <tjaalton> willcooke: corruption
[18:59] <Laney> willcooke: Oct  3 18:38:06 ubuntu NetworkManager[1076]: malloc(): corrupted unsorted chunks 3
[18:59] <Laney> that's probably the same ol NM bug
[18:59] <Laney> goodnight!
[19:03] <willcooke> hi Laney, bye Laney
[19:03] <willcooke> tjaalton, yeah, didnt help
[19:04] <willcooke> imma try and reboot
[19:11] <willcooke> same
[19:11] <willcooke> right, I give up for tonigth
[19:11] <willcooke> try again tomorrow
[19:11] <willcooke> night all
[21:48] <jbicha> seb128: don't work too late, but if you're around, I see that the Trello 1904-cycle card doesn't look like it's under the Ubuntu Desktop team


[23:57] <Archos-Owner> xangua: JOY ... that did the trick, thanks
[23:57] <Dogget_> and still the same :-(
[23:57] <roberto> hola
[23:57] <histo> Dogget_: yeah use that sudo dpkg --force-remove.... command
[23:58] <pooky1> guys, is anybody know how can i setup ubuntu files search in unity?
[23:58] <Crazed_> bazhang, i want it to run kdestroy and remove a file from my home directory... i suppose it could be done at shutdown, but i'd prefer at logout
[23:58] <histo> Dogget_: make sure you have the package name typed correctly
[23:59] <visionvi1us> ubunto
[23:59] <leftist> i need to backup a server. i was looking at various options. just out of curiosity couldnt i just tar the whole drive and save the file offsite?