[09:30] <Laney> cjwatson: if/when you're back (hi), could you advise on the build record creation issue above ^- please?
[09:50] <cjwatson> Laney: Yeah, working on a fix
[09:51] <Laney> great
[09:51] <cjwatson> I entirely forgot that we had a local dpkg fork to add riscv64 support, and it got superseded by adding zstd :(
[09:51] <Laney> suspected something like that, but I didn't know where to look to find the fork that was being used
[09:52] <cjwatson> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-is-sa/+archive/ubuntu/launchpad/+packages
[09:53] <Laney> ah yes, nicely highlighted even
[10:09] <RikMills> :)
[10:27] <cjwatson> Laney: BTW you were looking at our code hosted in bzr, which we no longer use for Launchpad itself.  https://git.launchpad.net/launchpad/tree/lib/lp/soyuz/adapters/buildarch.py#n19 would be current (not that it matters in this case)
[10:28] <Laney> interesting, I wonder how I got there
[10:29] <Laney> looks like I googled for "launchpad buildarch.py", found https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/improve-dpkg-architecture-cache/+merge/332853 and then followed some links
[10:29]  * Laney is efficient
[10:32] <cristiangsp> that happened to me too... I had to double check if there were any differences... but there were not
[10:32] <cjwatson> Laney: https://portal.admin.canonical.com/C130829
[10:33] <Laney> cjwatson: Cheers. Can we run that add-missing-builds script or another to find the missing records and re-create them?
[10:33] <Laney> s/re-// really
[10:34] <cjwatson> Laney: Once that ticket is resolved, yeah
[10:34] <cjwatson> Laney: Or the copy-self trick if need be
[10:34] <Laney> 👍
[14:11] <cjwatson> Laney: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cVxMnvmyTN/
[14:12] <cjwatson> Laney: Do you know if there are similar problems in stable releases too?
[14:14] <Laney> cjwatson: I would have to check excuses and see if anything is complaining there
[14:15] <Laney> looks like yes for hirsute (udisks2), no for all others
[14:26] <cjwatson> Laney: OK, done for hirsute: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3CBs8qMVsp/
[14:30] <Laney> cjwatson: Nice one, cheers
[22:11] <axino> getting 500s from the telegraf PPA hmmm
[22:41] <axino> (nevermind, misconfigured proxy)


 FAIL!  : tst_QJSEngine::toScriptValue(qdate) Compared values are not the same
    Actual   (input) : QVariant(QDate,1925-05-08)
    Expected (output): QVariant(QDateTime,1925-05-07T18:00:00.000)
    Loc: [tst_qjsengine.cpp(565)]
 Hmm, I think it's because Minneapolis is in UTC-6 zone. You may get a different result when building from Europe :)
 Please try this patch, it runs tests with TZ=UTC which may help. : https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/5522ef06/utc.patch
 Thank you! Will follow up tomorrow (re @mitya57: )


[14:16] <bluca> andersson123: hi - still no reports being sent back, unfortunately
[14:51] <andersson123> bluca: Hey, sorry about that, I'll look today
[14:53] <bluca> thanks, let me know if you need anything
[16:09] <andersson123> https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/mnCsSRS7wD/
[16:09] <andersson123> bluca: the above job should have been updated as far as I can tell, could you check please? info in the pastebin above
[16:09] <andersson123> jammy-amd64-systemd-upstream-30229
[16:10] <andersson123> it's this more concisely
[16:10] <bluca> "You do not currently have access to the pastebin."
[16:11] <andersson123> mb 1 sec
[16:12] <andersson123> https://paste.debian.net/1299509/
[16:16] <andersson123> this should be done too
[16:16] <andersson123> jammy-amd64-systemd-upstream-30229
[16:20] <andersson123> jammy-ppc64el-systemd-upstream-30226 this too
[17:06] <bluca> yeah I see those two
[17:06] <bluca> but for example I don't see on 30214
[17:06] <bluca> which is from yesterday evening
[17:06] <bluca> was some fix applied this morning?
[17:07] <andersson123> I'm running a fix right now , I wasn't sure why it stopped working before but I think I've gotten to the bottom of it!
[17:09] <bluca> ok excellent, I'll keep an eye on it for the current PRs, thanks!


[03:34] <SIRavecavec> hi need a bit help
[03:34] <SIRavecavec> i am new with edubuntu and all i want is to upgrade withount cd my version direct from internet
[03:34] <SIRavecavec> is it posible?
[04:22] <SIRavecavec> hi how do i change the language of edubuntu?
[06:07] <SIRavecavec> hi
[06:07] <SIRavecavec> need help
[06:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> SIRavecavec, same problem as before?
[06:08] <SIRavecavec> yes
[06:08] <SIRavecavec> but now look
[06:09] <SIRavecavec> i get a error when i try to add remove programs
[06:09] <SIRavecavec> (gnome-app-install:4466): HtmlUtil-CRITICAL **: html_stream_cancel: assertion `stream->cancel_func != NULL' failed
[06:09] <SIRavecavec> i really need to set it in to english language
[06:09] <SIRavecavec> :((
[06:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> where do you see that message?
[06:10] <SIRavecavec> in terminal when i try to manualy add remove programs
[06:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> what was the command you ran?
[06:11] <SIRavecavec>  gnome-app-install
[06:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> just that?
[06:12] <SIRavecavec> yes
[06:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> what happens if you run it from the menu?
[06:12] <SIRavecavec> i do not know to run it from menu
[06:12] <SIRavecavec> cause its czech language\
[06:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> are english translations installed?
[06:13] <SIRavecavec> i do not know
[06:13] <SIRavecavec> :(
[06:13] <SIRavecavec> this is what i want to do
[06:13] <SIRavecavec> but only from terminal
[06:13] <SIRavecavec> cause i cannot outher wai
[06:13] <SIRavecavec> way
[06:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> cant find the jolly lang packs ;|
[06:18] <SIRavecavec> Kamping_Kaiser,
[06:18] <SIRavecavec> look
[06:18] <SIRavecavec> this are my steps
[06:18] <SIRavecavec> root@edubuntu-server:~# gnome-app-install
[06:18] <SIRavecavec> warning: could not initiate dbus
[06:18] <SIRavecavec> ** (gnome-app-install:4466): WARNING **: return value of custom widget handler was not a GtkWidget
[06:18] <SIRavecavec> Now i see something is wrong but...
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> well theres the problem
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> your running it from a root@ console
[06:18] <SIRavecavec> dbus///
[06:18] <SIRavecavec> yes
[06:19] <SIRavecavec> i must be root
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> why?
[06:19] <SIRavecavec> to start that command
[06:19] <SIRavecavec> or?
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> you dont need to be root to run gai
[06:20] <SIRavecavec> ok
[06:21] <SIRavecavec> tabornik@edubuntu-server:~$ gnome-app-install
[06:21] <SIRavecavec> Introspect error: The name org.freedesktop.AppInstall was not provided by any .service files
[06:21] <SIRavecavec> no listening object (The name org.freedesktop.AppInstall was not provided by any .service files)
[06:21] <SIRavecavec> ** (gnome-app-install:5054): WARNING **: return value of custom widget handler was not a GtkWidget
[06:21] <SIRavecavec> This is when i run it normaly
[06:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> so your terminal is in english?
[06:22] <SIRavecavec> yes
[06:22] <SIRavecavec> but only that
[06:22] <SIRavecavec> not entire interface
[06:22] <SIRavecavec> i want the interface in english
[06:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> are you logging into the server from a client or on the server?
[06:22] <SIRavecavec> and i receive same erors as root
[06:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> running gui apps as root is prone to breaking them
[06:23] <SIRavecavec> :(
[06:23] <SIRavecavec> so what is best i do  now
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> how are you logge d in? from GDM on the server or a client?
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> changing language in GDM is relatively easy
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> actually, are you ona  terminal server, or  a workstation?
[06:27] <SIRavecavec> workstation
[06:27] <SIRavecavec> and is just a simple username
[06:27] <SIRavecavec> and i enter in terminal the root login
[06:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> workstation is much easier
[06:27] <SIRavecavec> cause this wass preinstaled in czeech language
[06:27] <SIRavecavec> ok
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> in the bottom left of the login screen is a little menu
[06:28] <SIRavecavec> can you assist me?
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> it lets you select your 'session' (eg gnome/kde/other), and language
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> i cant really tell you past that, because i dont know what it'll say
[06:30] <SIRavecavec> i cannot find any
[06:30] <SIRavecavec> if its a way from terminal
[06:30] <SIRavecavec> then i do it
[06:30] <SIRavecavec> but from this interface not a chance
[06:30] <SIRavecavec> i tryed all menus
[06:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> have you tried looking in the menu?
[06:31] <SIRavecavec> yes
[06:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> SIRavecavec, perhaps ask #ubuntu-cz if someone can help you. jenda will be able to perhaps (even though hes currently inactive)
[06:34] <SIRavecavec> ahh
[06:34] <SIRavecavec> ok
[06:35]  * Kamping_Kaiser goes to do some study
[06:35] <SIRavecavec> if i am root
[06:35] <SIRavecavec> how can i find gnome sudo pass?
[13:49] <dtrask> stgraber: I just used your bt headset pairing program....very nice....thanks for doing it.  Made life easier  :-)
[17:17] <SIRavecavec> hi need some help someone here to help me?
[17:22] <juliux> SIRavecavec, just ask your question, perhaps somebody is around who can help you
[17:23] <SIRavecavec> ive updated my edubuntunfrom 6.06 to next version and when i check version on terminal is 6.06 when i try to update again there are no packs available
[17:44] <SIRavecavec> whe i access add remove programs i get this
[17:44] <SIRavecavec> (gnome-app-install:7223): HtmlUtil-CRITICAL **: html_stream_cancel: assertion `stream->cancel_func != NULL' failed
[18:42] <SIRavecavec> juliux,
[18:42] <SIRavecavec> can you help me?
[18:45] <ogra> SIRavecavec, did you follow the upgrade docs ?
[18:45] <johnny> ogra!
[18:46] <johnny> also, don't bug people by name when they join SIRavecavec, it is bad ettiquette
[18:46]  * johnny upgrades to hardy on the laptop for testing
[18:46] <johnny> i lost power during it tho :(
[18:46] <johnny> hopefully it'll finish properly this time
[18:46] <ogra> you turn into an ubuntu user slowly eh ?
[18:47] <johnny> i use ubuntu at the store
[18:47] <johnny> and maintain multiple ubuntu boxes
[18:47] <ogra> oh, right, i forgot
[18:47] <johnny> i need my own ubuntu box to play with , so i can actually know what i'm doing :)
[18:47] <ogra> all your gentoo efforts made me forget :)
[18:47] <johnny> and break my own stuff
[18:47] <ogra> btw, donnie was looking for you yesterday
[18:47] <johnny> i found him
[18:47] <ogra> good
[18:47] <johnny> i was out of town for a few days
[18:48] <johnny> it was good for my ltsp efforts tho!
[18:48] <johnny> now i can refocus
[18:48] <johnny> uggh..scrollkeeper update is taking FOREVER
[18:48] <SIRavecavec> i did folow the documents
[18:49]  * ogra *finally* finishes the whisky he has lying around after getting good feedback from the marketing team for the classmate image
[18:49] <johnny> HURRY UP!
[18:49] <johnny> aha.. finally
[18:49] <ogra> SIRavecavec, so you didnt use apget anywhere ... did the update-manager show any errors
[18:49] <ogra> *apt-get
[18:50] <SIRavecavec> ogra,  no errors
[18:50] <SIRavecavec> first time
[18:50] <johnny> gnome stopped working :(
[18:50] <johnny> i'm having to use apt-get
[18:50] <ogra> no
[18:50] <SIRavecavec> and after i instaled i try to see my version and is steel 6.06
[18:50] <ogra> johnny, you use update-manager-core
[18:50] <SIRavecavec> when i try to use again update manager its says im newest version
[18:51] <johnny> i wish update-manager would hold off on asking questions til the end, i go to sleep.. and it's still waiting for an answer :(
[18:51] <SIRavecavec> ogra,  i try to much this:((
[18:51] <ogra> SIRavecavec, did you pull a fresh version from dapper-updates before upgarding ? the upgarde code is usually in these versions
[18:53] <ogra> johnny, the thing is that apt simply doesnt handle all cases of upgrades, u-m has a lot of special casing for converting setup, removing unsupported stuff and making sure the right replacements are in place
[18:53] <ogra> using apt only will not give you the same system u-m will
[18:53] <ogra> thats why we discourage apt usage at all for dist upgrades
[18:53] <johnny> i don't even have update-manager-core
[18:54] <ogra> no, its only installed on -server by default
[18:54] <SIRavecavec> ogra,  no i did not i did what they told me to do upgrade-manager
[18:55] <ogra> SIRavecavec, for a proper upgrade you need to first install update-manager from your releases updates repository (in your case dapper-updates)
[18:55] <ogra> the upgrade docs state that i think
[18:55] <ogra> and explain how to get it
[18:55] <SIRavecavec> ok can you teach me how or where to read?
[18:55] <johnny> actually it told me to run dpkg --configure -a
[18:55] <SIRavecavec> (synaptic:7334): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_view_unref_tree_helper: assertion `node != NULL' failed
[18:55] <SIRavecavec> i get this erros many times
[18:57] <ogra> SIRavecavec, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades#head-7e4d0a8850f88d770c9e373ca84c3a78703a58ad
[18:57] <johnny> did they ever add that option to allow you to keep your /home intact?
[18:58] <ogra> ?
[18:58] <johnny> in the installer
[18:58] <SIRavecavec> root@edubuntu-server:~# do-release-upgrade --devel-release
[18:58] <SIRavecavec> Checking for a new ubuntu release
[18:58] <SIRavecavec> No new release found
[18:58] <SIRavecavec> root@edubuntu-server:~# do-release-upgrade
[18:58] <SIRavecavec> Checking for a new ubuntu release
[18:58] <SIRavecavec> No new release found
[18:58] <ogra> home will never ever be touched by any upgrade
[18:58] <johnny> for an installer .. not upgrade
[18:59] <ogra> you can do that since the first ubuntu release
[18:59] <johnny> but only if it's on a seperate partition?
[18:59] <ogra> just pick custom partitioning and mount the /home wherever you want it
[18:59] <ogra> right
[18:59] <johnny> i don't have a mounted /home.. i picked the default when i set it up
[18:59] <johnny> i was in a rush
[18:59] <johnny> and the drive wasnt' large
[18:59] <ogra> for users thats fine imho
[19:00] <ogra> usually you dont ever need yto reinstall a debian based OS
[19:00] <ogra> for a developer thats different ...
[19:00] <johnny> so.. ltsp question.. it's saying tags aren't supported by my current branch format.. is followng the instructions to run bzr upgrade --dirstate-tags the right thing?
[19:00] <ogra> i need to reinstall from time to time  ... so i keep my home separate
[19:00] <Muhammad_Saad> Hello, I am looking for a way to get Yahoo Mail in Evolution. If nobody here knows, please guide me to a channel where I can get my answer.
[19:01] <ogra> johnny, yup
[19:02] <ogra> Muhammad_Saad, http://gopalkoduri.wordpress.com/2006/06/23/configuring-evolution-mail-to-work-with/ second hit for googling "Yahoo Mail in Evolution"
[19:05] <Muhammad_Saad> I want to do that for free. :-/
[19:06] <Muhammad_Saad> just like there is the WebMail extension in Thunderbird.
[19:07] <Muhammad_Saad> Does anyone know?
[19:08] <Muhammad_Saad> If nobody knows then please tell me an appropriate channel.
[19:08] <johnny> we might not know it?
[19:09] <johnny> look for the gnome irc server?
[19:12] <ogra> what do you me4an with "for free" ?
[19:12] <ogra> the page above only shows the data you have to use to make it work
[19:12] <ogra> it doesnt cost anything
[19:13] <Muhammad_Saad> I think Yahoo only provides POP to those who pay for it. Please correct me if I am wrong.
[19:13] <ogra> no idea
[19:13] <ogra> i would never touch yahoo mail
[19:13] <ogra> so i dont know
[19:13] <ogra> ...
[19:14] <ogra> you asked for instructions how to make tyahoo work with evo
[19:14] <ogra> google might reveal a lot more here
[19:14] <Muhammad_Saad> I would never touch Yahoo mail too but I have to use it for messenger service to stay connected with my friends.
[19:15] <RichEd> ogra: does the image update with zsync but keep the old filename
[19:15] <RichEd> (old date in the name) ?
[19:16] <ogra> if you use the -o option
[19:16] <ogra> (its suboptimal, i know)
[19:16] <RichEd> fine ... as long as I did not waste my time & bandwidth :)
[19:16] <ogra> nah
[19:16] <RichEd> doing the dd now to usb
[19:16] <ogra> check the date of the file qith ls -l
[19:16] <ogra> and check the md5sum
[19:17] <ogra> thats why i generate it ;)
[19:17] <RichEd> will let you know tomorrow if it breaks like mr liptin seems to manage :)
[19:17] <ogra> he said he didnt but his colleagues did
[19:17] <RichEd> well they are skilled over there aren't they ;)
[19:17] <ogra> shhh
[19:18] <RichEd> later ... knackered & have to put the boys to bed
[19:18] <ogra> we're on a public channel :)
[19:18] <RichEd> till tomorrow
[19:18] <ogra> ciao
[19:18] <RichEd> i'm talking about mr lipton the tea fellow ...
[19:18] <RichEd> nothin to do with *****
[19:18] <ogra> oh
[19:18] <RichEd> bye
[19:18] <ogra> ah
[19:18] <ogra> thought that was a typo
[19:18] <ogra> :)
[19:20] <SIRavecavec> ogra,
[19:20] <SIRavecavec> it did not worked none of above
[19:20] <SIRavecavec> i cannot update
[19:23] <ogra> Sir_Remoz, did you read the instructions on teh page i pasted above
[19:24] <SIRavecavec> ogra,  yes i did
[19:25] <ogra> and what does the command under that url give you ?
[19:25] <SIRavecavec> nothing
[19:26] <SIRavecavec> i just type it and nothing hapends
[19:38] <highvoltage> oh wow, not often I see you guys here on a friday eveneing :)
[19:39]  * SIRavecavec is drunk
[19:40] <highvoltage> *BSZZZZHT*
[19:41]  * LaserJock runs
[19:42] <SIRavecavec> hi LaserJock
[19:42] <LaserJock> hi
[19:49] <LaserJock> highvoltage: how's it going>
[19:49] <LaserJock> ?
[19:49] <highvoltage> LaserJock: just woke up a few minutes ago
[19:49] <highvoltage> LaserJock: bad allergies bought me down, so I took a nap, feeling slightly better now
[19:50] <highvoltage> LaserJock: also going through yet another phase of thinking *everything* through and deciding what is important in life
[19:51] <LaserJock> highvoltage: heh, me too
[19:51] <LaserJock> I just made a last minute *buntu push and uploaded a bunch of stuff
[19:52] <highvoltage> yes, I saw your feature freeze exception request for gcompris.
[19:52] <highvoltage> glad it came through.
[19:54] <LaserJock> highvoltage: yeah, sometimes I'm surprised that things get approved
[19:55] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I think it makes a big difference that you've worked with quite a few different packages in the past, and that you are proven to be competent. So if you ask for an exception, I would think that it's considered very low risk to approve it.
[19:55] <highvoltage> I wish I can get to that stage one day :)
[19:55] <SIRavecavec> LaserJock,  i cannnot make my edubuntu upgrade
[19:55] <SIRavecavec> :( i try all documentation
[19:56] <LaserJock> SIRavecavec: what version do you have and what do you want to upgrade to?
[19:56] <SIRavecavec> i have 6.06 but i used update-manager -c and its showing me some upgrades i instaled all
[19:56] <SIRavecavec> but when i use terminal to check my version its steel 6.06
[19:57] <SIRavecavec> and when i try to use again update-manager -c is no updates anymore
[19:57] <LaserJock> hmm
[19:57] <LaserJock> 6.06 is pretty old
[19:57] <SIRavecavec> yes
[19:57] <SIRavecavec> :(\
[19:57] <LaserJock> so do you want to update to 7.10?
[19:57] <SIRavecavec> yes
[19:57] <SIRavecavec> or last version
[19:58] <SIRavecavec> i wass even ready to test the betas
[19:58] <SIRavecavec> but...
[19:58] <SIRavecavec> :(
[19:58] <SIRavecavec> i use romainian language
[19:58] <SIRavecavec> my native language
[19:58] <LaserJock> well, a direct upgrade from 6.06 to 7.10 isn't really supported
[19:59] <opapo> when I restart a client the server restarts
[19:59] <LaserJock> a direct upgrade from 6.06 to 8.04 which will be out next month will be supported
[19:59] <opapo> is that a bug, feature, or user error
[19:59] <LaserJock> opapo: how are you restarting the client?
[19:59] <opapo> I am in the client and I do sudo init 6
[20:00] <SIRavecavec> so LaserJock  can i go to 7.04
[20:00] <SIRavecavec> or a better version
[20:00] <LaserJock> SIRavecavec: well, you can try, generally upgrade only work very well from one release to the next
[20:00] <stgraber> opapo: what you see on your client is a session running on the server, so everything you run will be run on the server
[20:00] <LaserJock> so 6.06 -> 6.10 -> 7.04 -> 7.10
[20:00] <stgraber> opapo: the only way you have to reboot a client si to close the session then choose reboot at the login prompt
[20:01] <LaserJock> but that gets really messy
[20:01] <SIRavecavec> LaserJock,  but what commands i use?
[20:01] <SIRavecavec> to do that?
[20:01] <opapo> stgraber: that explains things
[20:02] <opapo> so, for clarification sake, I get to a login screen that has an ip address given through dhcp
[20:02] <opapo> and then when I log in, I have the ip address of the server?
[20:03] <LaserJock> SIRavecavec: check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/UpgradeFromOldVersion
[20:05] <opapo> Can I not have a client running a full OS in a chrooted environment?
[20:06] <opapo> on the server?
[20:06] <SIRavecavec> LaserJock,  but its only for version feytsy and ge./..
[20:06] <SIRavecavec> not for drake mine 6.06
[20:06] <LaserJock> opapo: I think that's what is called a fat client
[20:07] <opapo> LaserJock: thanks
[20:07] <LaserJock> SIRavecavec: "For example, a user of Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) could first upgrade to 6.10, then to 7.04, and then to 7.10. For instructions on how to do this, check the UpgradeNotes page."
[20:07] <opapo> You guys have been helpful and responsive.  Thank you.
[20:07] <LaserJock> SIRavecavec: which then leads you to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[20:07] <LaserJock> opapo: no problem
[20:11] <stgraber> opapo: np, fat clients may be a solution depending on how fast is your hardware (and your network)
[20:11] <stgraber> opapo: IIRC we have a wiki page about that but not sure how up to date it's
[20:29] <opapo> stgraber: The information is out of date by a year or two, but I have enough information to head in the right direction
[20:57] <SIRavecavec> how to add mc to edubuntu?\
[20:57] <SIRavecavec> midnight commander
[20:57] <SIRavecavec> ?
[22:41] <opapo> does citrix run a thin or thick client?


[16:27] <ibexnet> hi everybody
[16:28] <ibexnet> I have some trouble to compile kernel for an arm64 board
[16:28] <ibexnet> someone can helpme?
[16:29] <mhcerri> ibexnet, what kind of trouble?
[17:00] <ibexnet> mhcerri: when I load the uImage I have the error:*** irq: undefined instruction
[17:01] <ibexnet> I have cross compiled the chernel using the toolchain provided by Hisilicon for arm64 (arch64-histbv100-linux-)
[17:02] <ibexnet> when I make the kernel under on menuconfig, I select all the option for hisilicon support
[17:02] <ibexnet> what I miss?
[18:12] <juergh> ibexnet, probably missing options. what board is it? what kernel version are you trying to compile? do you have a working kernel and config?
[18:14] <ibexnet> I use an hisilicon board with hi3798cv200 SoC, I try to compile kernel 5.4.132, I have an working kernel 4.4.35
[18:15] <ibexnet> I should have the kernel 4.4 working config, but I don't know ho to port it to kernel 5.4
[19:34] <sarnold> ibexnet: 'make oldconfig' can be used to prompt your for what's new


[00:05] <Elleo> jhodapp: ping, I'm around now if you have any other questions podcast/download manager/media service related; but it looks like netcurli's covered everything pretty well
[00:06] <TechieElf> Can someone help with this build error? "make: *** No rule to make target `frameworks/base/nfc-extras/com.android.nfc_extras.xml', needed by `/home/techieelf/phablet/out/target/product/xt907/system/etc/permissions/com.android.nfc_extras.xml'.  Stop."
[00:06] <Elleo> jhodapp: the only thing I'd add is that perhaps in a future iteration it might be useful if instead of passing the partially downloaded file to the media service if it were possible to pass a download manager handle, so the media service can be aware of how much is buffered and do intelligent stuff like pause briefly to buffer if it reaches the end of the file prematurely
[00:11] <TechieElf> Could someone please help with this build error? "make: *** No rule to make target `frameworks/base/nfc-extras/com.android.nfc_extras.xml', needed by `/home/techieelf/phablet/out/target/product/xt907/system/etc/permissions/com.android.nfc_extras.xml'.  Stop."
[02:21] <zhanx> anyone alive?
[02:23] <zhanx> want to roll my own port for my asus memo pad fhd 10, hints and tips
[04:07] <Atul> hi
[04:07] <Atul> Any senior level person here
[04:08] <Atul> I would to get some info
[04:08] <Atul> i am a newbee
[04:08] <Atul> i would like to remove android and install ubuntu touch on my ARM7 based tablet
[04:09] <RAOF> Atul: Is your device listed under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Working.2C_but_not_available_from_cdimage.ubuntu.com ?
[04:10] <Atul> no..but it hs similar hardware to many tablet listed here
[04:10] <Atul> thx RAOF for replying
[04:11] <Atul> ARM7 processor, 1 GB ram
[04:11] <Atul> 4GB internal Storage
[04:11] <Atul> to be frank......
[04:11] <Atul> i will like to install anything on this device except andoid
[04:11] <Atul> i mean any simple linus or other OS will do
[04:12] <Atul> i have heard many linux are there which are as small as 500 MB and support wifi
[04:12] <Atul> thats all i need
[04:12] <Atul> becoz i just need to run browser on my tablet and nothing else
[04:12] <RAOF> If there isn't currently a port to your (exact!) tablet, you'll first need to port (or help port) Ubuntu Touch.
[04:13] <Atul> heelo
[04:13] <Atul> r u there
[04:13] <RAOF> Running a browser is surprisingly involved :)
[04:17] <RAOF> You could also try installing a regular Ubuntu Desktop build on your tablet, but that's (a) not as nice a tablet experience, and (b) unlikely to work because you won't have any display drivers.
[04:18] <Atul> yes u r right
[04:19] <Atul> how about xpud or watt OS
[04:19] <Atul> can they pe installed on laptop
[04:19] <Atul> i need lightest and OS
[04:20] <Atul> just with wifi and browser...nothinf esle
[04:20] <Atul> no camera or other function required
[04:26] <rsalveti> jdstrand: awesome, thanks, will be off tomorrow but will review it once back
[04:27] <RAOF> Atul: It's highly likely that you won't be able to run any non-Android-based OS on your tablet.
[04:27] <Atul> thx RAOF
[07:12] <Crimson_Rogue> does anyone have a port for the sgs3 i747?
[07:19] <AskUbuntu> Desktop interfacing with existing application indicator - Network | http://askubuntu.com/q/380663
[07:19] <dholbach> good morning
[07:20] <Crimson_Rogue> good morning.
[07:20] <Crimson_Rogue> would you know if anyone has made a port for the sgs3-i747?
[07:22] <dholbach> Crimson_Rogue, I know of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices but that's it
[07:23] <Crimson_Rogue> and the d2att was abandoned... :((((
[07:24] <dholbach> Crimson_Rogue, I found http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2164456
[07:25] <dholbach> might be worth reaching out to the porter
[07:25] <Crimson_Rogue> thx, I saw that...
[08:51] <jungla> hi
[08:51] <jungla> is there any way to install ubuntu touch on a htc one?
[08:53] <popey> !devices | jungla
[08:57] <jungla> it says it's working but is not available from cdimage.ubuntu.com
[08:57] <jungla> where can i get it from?
[09:22] <siavoshkc> Sorry, I talked to one folk about installing Ubuntu Touch on my Nook Color
[09:22] <Laney> mardy: hey, how come u-s-s online accounts opens its own window even when accessed from the main UI?
[09:23] <Laney> I get your reasoning for having it modal when launched from applications, but it seems odd to me to have it be like then when launched from u-s-s itself
[09:23] <Laney> also, it means that when you request the pageComponent of that plugin from code then the window opens :(
[09:24] <mardy> Laney: it is like this because window reparenting isn't in place yet; if it were, you would see Online Accounts being opened on top of the system settings
[09:28] <Laney> mardy: hmm
[09:55] <siavoshkc> OK I need help to install it on my NookColor
[10:09] <Ursinha> popey, are you using r27 in your personal mobile?
[10:09] <popey> Ursinha: i have two, one on 27, one on 10.
[10:10] <Ursinha> but for daily use?
[10:11] <Ursinha> I noticed with r27 that often the applications states aren't stored
[10:11] <Ursinha> yesterday I was playing solitaire (haha) and got distracted for a moment, when I unlocked the phone it opened the solitaire app but resetted the game
[10:12] <Ursinha> also using gmail I moved to another app and returned to it, I had to login again, as if it had closed and fresh opened
[10:12] <Ursinha> the webbrowser, I mean
[10:12] <ogra_> Ursinha, yeah, thats by design
[10:13] <ogra_> and not a new issue
[10:13] <Ursinha> ogra_, resetting my game is a really bad design decision :)
[10:13] <ogra_> it definitely is
[10:13] <Ursinha> ogra_, there's a bug filed for that?
[10:13] <ogra_> usually apps in the bg stor their state since they are only SIGSTOPed ... but if you have enough of them open they are actually killed in the bg and restarted when you switch to them
[10:14] <ogra_> Ursinha, no, tvoss asked me to file one, but i forgot
[10:14] <Ursinha> ogra_, the solitaire was the only one opened
[10:14] <Ursinha> I closed everything else thinking it could be lack of resources like you said
[10:14] <ogra_> i see it with about 5-6 webapps open usually
[10:15] <ogra_> the worst part is that the labeling of the thumbnails goes completely out of order
[10:15] <Ursinha> ogra_, most times I have no thumbnails whatsoever
[10:15] <Ursinha> is that known?
[10:15] <ogra_> Ursinha, if you file a bug i'll confirm it
[10:15] <Ursinha> ogra_, thanks :)
[10:15] <Ursinha> ogra_, against which project should I file it?
[10:16] <ogra_> hmm, not sure, might be platform-api or unity-mir
[10:16] <ogra_> tvoss, ^^^?
[10:30] <Saviq> alecu, ping
[11:13] <Ursinha> ogra_, I'll file that bug against mir, if that's wrong you can change that afterwards :)
[11:13] <ogra_> ok
[11:14] <Ursinha> ogra_, bug 1253979
[11:14] <ogra_> thanks !
[11:15] <xnox> ogra_: re: pulling plymouth into the initrd, at the moment it makes initrd large due to pulling in fonts & icu. If we recompile plymouth without icu, and decide to not have fonts at all (pre-rendered images instead of things to show/tell the user). Then plymouth can be made small in the initrd.
[11:15]  * xnox is catching up on uds sessions.
[11:15] <ogra_> xnox, well, we decided against plymouth in the initrd since that would mean to also have Mir in there
[11:15] <xnox> ogra_: ah, i'm on minute 4 only so far =)
[11:16] <ogra_> instead plymouth will start on top of the system compositor as early as possible in the rootfs
[11:16] <ogra_> if there are things we need from the initrd, these have to be handed over to upstart and be processed in an upstart job
[11:17] <xnox> ogra_: sounds good enough. that should be enough for low-battery mode. Extremely low battery mode on android is "if your screen is black, plug it in to charge for 24h" in the manual.
[11:17] <ogra_> heh
[11:17] <ogra_> right, we only want to intercept booting if the battery is really really low ... like below 5% or so
[11:18] <xnox> ogra_: it's so cool on kindles though, there is no power used to display the image, only to change it. So at extreme low battery, it throws no battery logo & messages in 3-4 languages that "you need to charge it for at least 1h before it will be able to boot again"
[11:18] <ogra_> and then only until it charged to that threshold
[11:18] <xnox> and then it's flat, but displays the message.
[11:18] <ogra_> heh
[11:18] <xnox> ogra_: yeah, android is weird it shuts off at 1-2%, yet one can still boot it again and make a short phone-call (<2minutes)
[11:20]  * ogra_ has a very badly thrown together ubuntu edge skin for the emulator :)
[11:20] <xnox> =)))))))))))))))))))
[11:20] <xnox> ogra_: i think we can pull some images off design, of the edge, can't we?
[11:21] <ogra_> well, the format of the qemu window doesnt really match the screen of the edge ... i had to trick around a bit
[11:23] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/edge-emu.png
[11:23] <xnox> =))))
[11:23] <ogra_> i need a better pci ... thats upscaled from the biggest jpg i could find online
[11:23] <ogra_> *pic
[11:24] <xnox> ogra_: which buttons do you want to expose?
[11:24] <ogra_> none at all
[11:24] <ogra_> there are key combos for power and volume ...
[11:24] <xnox> ogra_: fair enough.
[11:25] <ogra_> (and for rotation)
[11:26]  * ogra_ G+es
[12:15] <cwayne> tmoenicke, ping
[12:16] <tmoenicke> cwayne: hi
[12:16] <tmoenicke> cwayne: didnt see Lukasz yet
[12:25] <cwayne> tmoenicke, hm?
[12:28] <cwayne> tmoenicke, i got pinyin working, but there was a non-trivial amount of setup involved
[12:31] <cwayne> cjwatson, as you requested in one of the click sessions, i've logged a bug about being unable to pass dirs to hooks here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1253855
[12:49] <AskUbuntu> What does it mean that the Ubuntu installation is read-only on mobile devices | http://askubuntu.com/q/380751
[13:46] <bxian> hi
[13:47] <bxian> (nexus4) i have some problems with wifi ... who can help me?
[13:49] <bxian> (nexus4) i have some problems with wifi ... who can help me?
[13:50] <xnox> ogra_: re: low battery handling during boot, to be honest we even need it on normal laptops.
[13:50] <ogra_> on normal laptops the power supply should suffice, even if you have the battery pulled out
[13:51] <ogra_> that usually is different on phones
[13:51] <xnox> ogra_: so one could add a generic "chargeall" job across all devices, which continues boot if there is N% battery life (or laptop is on DC power).
[13:51] <ogra_> but yeah, i agree it might make sense
[13:51] <ogra_> right
[13:51] <ogra_> it is just more improtant on phones because you cant easily work around a low battery
[13:52] <xnox> ogra_: also you wouldn't need to subvert boot, as chargeall will block the boot even normally. (runlevel 2 / networking events => net result is that all one has is Read-only rootfs and plymouth)
[13:52] <ogra_> right
[13:53] <xnox> ogra_: continuing the boot upon chargeall completion is more of a "fsck" type of thing, rather than "friendly-recovery" (user decision required how big or small bring up to do, and/or choice to shutdown or continue boot)
[13:53] <ogra_> well, the firendly-revocery bit  was an example about  intercepting the startup event
[13:54] <ogra_> since we need to block that one
[13:54] <ogra_> *recovery
[13:54] <xnox> ogra_: correct. but friendly-recovery subverts boot, because it looks-up magic variables that last boot has failed.
[13:54] <ogra_> right, and the plan was to have the initrd set such a variable if low battery is detected
[13:55] <xnox> ogra_: chargeall needs to run on every boot (normal or recovery) -> usually quickly emit event "charged" and exit, and at times block until charging happens.
[13:55] <xnox> ogra_: i don't think it's wise to set the variable in the initrd, as chargeall needs to monitor battery level anyway.
[13:55] <ogra_> i wouldnt want it on every boot
[13:55] <alecu> Saviq: pong
[13:55] <ogra_> since you need to run the check every time then ... slowing down all boots even if the battery is full
[13:56] <xnox> boot -> chargeall checks battery level -> if good emit "charged" & exit -> continue boot.
[13:56] <xnox> ogra_: you are going to do a check on every boot, be it in initramfs or off rootfs.
[13:57] <xnox> ogra_: and i argue it's best to keep check&[monitor]&exit logic in one place, instead of two.
[13:57] <ogra_> hmm
[13:57] <xnox> where monitor is only if the battery is too low.
[13:57] <xnox> you should never continue boot if we are below threshold. therefore you will have to check it on every boot.
[13:58] <xnox> hence the comment it's a bit like fsck =) (when not-needed skipped very efficiently, when it is performed it blocks bootup sequence past plymouth)
[13:58] <xnox> (chargeall will block a little more than mountall does but the concept is very similar)
[13:59] <xnox> plus as an added bonus you can test it today with plymouth & laptops with e.g. << 2% battery =)
[13:59] <xnox> ideally it should be a small efficient C binary similar to mountall
[14:00]  * ogra_ would just have done shell
[14:00] <ogra_> C sounds like overkill and will be arch specific ...
[14:01] <Saviq> alecu, hey, I noticed that the click scope is case sensitive for remote results
[14:01] <Saviq> alecu, what do I file a bug against?
[14:02] <alecu> Saviq: weird!
[14:02] <xnox> ogra_: you can't waste resources =) and i'm not sure what's the problem  with being arch specific. you will be talking to plymouth and doing that from sh is more wasteful than it should be.
[14:03] <alecu> Saviq: https://bugs.launchpad.net/click-package-index/+filebug
[14:03] <xnox> ogra_: C is easy =)
[14:03] <Saviq> alecu, I noticed 'cause the OSK started uppercasing the first letter
[14:03] <alecu> Saviq: and please ping beuno with it
[14:03] <ogra_> xnox, i know that ... but still harder to read than a script ...
[14:03] <Saviq> alecu, will do
[14:03] <ogra_> and harder to deit on the fly etc
[14:03] <ogra_> *edit
[14:04] <xnox> ogra_: one day you should stop writting hacks, and keep crap out of initrd =) written in C, with unit-tests which out-number code by lines-of-code..... =)
[14:06] <xnox> i actually see no reason why battery check cannot live inside mountall.... everything depends on remounting rootfs RW event, and it can block that even until battery is fully charged.
[14:08] <ogra_> because you dont want it on servers
[14:08] <ogra_> or desktops without battery
[14:08]  * ogra_ wouldnt put it into mountall
[14:09] <beuno> Saviq, alecu, I'll look into it
[14:10] <Saviq> beuno, https://bugs.launchpad.net/click-package-index/+bug/1254042
[14:10] <beuno> Saviq, thanks!
[14:15] <xnox> ogra_: ok, fair enough.
[14:16]  * ogra_ notices a 24h clock with proper german date on the lock screen and hugs seb128 and Laney ...
[14:17] <ogra_> HA1
[14:17] <ogra_> but only for the first 10 seconds
[14:17] <ogra_> it switched back to a 12h clock
[14:17] <seb128> :-(
[14:17] <Laney> haha what
[14:17] <ogra_> yeah
[14:18] <Laney> is the environment ok?
[14:18] <ogra_> no idea, i'm playing with the emulator
[14:18] <seb128> I wonder if that's a bug in the component larsu worked on
[14:18] <ogra_> it would expect so though
[14:19] <ogra_> gah, even a german keyboard
[14:19]  * ogra_ hates german keyboards on phones :P
[14:21] <ogra_> ah, and finally i managed to set up my U1 account
[14:33] <krabador> you vanished my dream to use ubuntu touch on samsung galaxy s2 i9100
[14:38] <sergiusens> ogra_, hey, I used to be able to mount -o remount,rw /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs/system and now I seem to not be able to; did anything change in writable images?
[14:39] <ogra_> nope
[14:39] <ogra_> not to my knowledge
[14:40] <ogra_> try from an lxc-console ...
[14:40] <ogra_> i.e. lxc-console -nandroid -t0
[14:41] <sergiusens> ogra_, permission denied on the remount :-)
[14:41] <ogra_> woah
[14:41] <sergiusens> ogra_, since I just want to test a ramdisk, I'll hack up the pre-start.sh script for now
[14:53] <cwayne> bfiller, ping
[14:53] <bfiller> cwayne: pong
[14:54] <cwayne> bfiller, hey, so just an update on the keyboard stuff.. pinyin works if you uninstall libpinyin2, install libpinyin4,install trunk, then change some gsettings
[14:54] <cwayne> so my question is -- do we have a plan to get libpinyin4 into the image so we can get trunk int he image?
[14:54] <bfiller> cwayne: thought the dep in trunk changed to pull in libpinyin4
[14:54] <bfiller> cwayne: let me check
[14:56] <bfiller> cwayne: that is in trunk, probably just didn't work on a upgrade but would work on fresh image
[14:57] <cwayne> bfiller, makes sense
[14:57] <bfiller> cwayne: but working ok once you did that?
[14:57] <cwayne> bfiller, once i did that + changed the gsettings for keyboard, yea
[14:58] <bfiller> cwayne: cool
[14:58] <bfiller> cwayne: sounds like it's ready for release then
[14:58] <cwayne> bfiller, so that seems ok for now at least (although in the future having it know the locale and switch automatically would be good)
[14:58] <cwayne> bfiller, +1
[14:58] <cwayne> at least we can manually stage it this way
[14:59] <bfiller> cwayne: yup
[15:00] <cwayne> bfiller, want to add it to the landing plan or shall i?
[15:00] <bfiller> cwayne: I'm doing it now
[15:00] <cwayne> bfiller, awesome, thanks, now i just have to figure out who to bother to get it into an image asap..
[15:01] <cwayne> dpm, ping
[15:04] <SAM___> HI
[15:04] <SAM___> I need help
[15:05] <SAM___> I am unable to install UBUNTU touch on my nexus 7 device
[15:05] <SAM___> using TWRP
[15:06] <cwayne> mzanetti, ping
[15:06] <mzanetti> cwayne: hey. on my way for lunch. is it a quick one?
[15:06] <SAM___> yeah
[15:06] <cwayne> mzanetti, i can wait til you're free :)
[15:06] <dpm> hi cwayne, I think I know what you're pinging me for: I've not had a chance to look at translations yet. Do you mind if we have a chat about it on Monday, when I've looked at what needs to be translated in more detail?
[15:07] <mzanetti> cwayne: ok. I'll ping you later. remind me if I forget. should be back in an hour or so
[15:07] <cwayne> sounds good
[15:07] <ogra_> seb128, Laney, so i rebooted the emulator again ... seems the panel clock forces the time back to 12h as soon as it starts
[15:07] <cwayne> dpm, that's fine, but I was actually going to ask if you knew if there was an evernote api call to get the user's info so that I can fix up the account-plugin :)
[15:08] <cwayne> kind of assumed you'd need some time on translations anyway :)
[15:10] <dpm> ok, cool :)
[15:11] <jdstrand> what is the recommended way of upgrading the emulator right now? system-image doesn't work. I'm guessing apt-get will, but that won't get us on a particular build
[15:12] <cwayne> jdstrand, not sure this is the right way, but i've just been rebuilding the sdcard
[15:13] <dpm> cwayne, there is a call to get user's info, but we've not implemented it in our QML C++ plugin. There are 2 main interfaces to the API UserStore to manage user info and NoteStore to manage notes. Right now we're concentrating on the UserStore. The other thing is: I'm not sure how we'd ship a fix, as Main.qml would need our C++ plugin to talk to the Evernote servers, and that'd mean we'd need to ship it with the authentication plugin?
[15:13] <cwayne> dpm, yeah, we'd have to ship it with the auth plugin
[15:14] <cwayne> which should be fine i think?  i ship a bunch of JS in the fitbit one to get the username
[15:14] <cwayne> i.e. you can have more than just Main.qml
[15:14] <tedg> bzoltan1, Hey are you on the appstore-dev list?  Can you comment on the include paths needed for the SDK?
[15:15] <jdstrand> cwayne: thanks
[15:17] <bzoltan1> tedg:  I guess I am... let me see
[15:23] <oSoMoN> tedg, hey, in the latest image (from trusty-proposed), URLs dispatched to webbrowser-app are surrounded with single quotes (i.e. "'http://ubuntu.com'" instead of "http://ubuntu.com"), could that be a recent change in url-dispatcher?
[15:23] <tedg> oSoMoN, On the command line or in the environment variables?
[15:24] <oSoMoN> tedg, command line
[15:24] <tedg> oSoMoN, Hmm, it's a UAL bug.
[15:24] <oSoMoN> tedg, i.e. if I launch "upstart-app-launch webbrowser-app http://ubuntu.com", I’m getting "'http://ubuntu.com'"
[15:24] <jdstrand> cwayne: that uses the cached file. seems like can do this: rm -f ./out/target/product/generic/ubuntu-rootfs.tar.xz && ./build-emulator-sdcard.sh
[15:24] <tedg> They should get yanked out.
[15:24] <oSoMoN> tedg, UAL?
[15:25] <tedg> oSoMoN, upstart-app-launch
[15:25] <tedg> oSoMoN, Okay, I'll look into it.
[15:25] <oSoMoN> tedg, thanks, there is a bug report against webbrowser-app, in case you want to (re-)use it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1253703
[15:25] <cwayne> jdstrand, ah, of course, thanks
[15:26] <cwayne> ogra_, that edge skin is awesome :)
[15:26] <ogra_> cwayne, as soon as i find a proper hires image i'll re-do it and submit it to the source tree
[15:27] <ogra_> the image is upscaled from a jpg i grabbed from the web ... not actually optimal
[15:28] <ogra_> (still miles better than the default indeed)
[15:30] <cwayne> yeah, absolutely
[15:37] <rickspencer3> hey all, I just installed and started the emulator, and it automatically gave me shell access to it, but ... I can't figure out how to make the phone GUI run ... anyone know the next step?
[15:37] <cwayne> rickspencer3, wait
[15:37] <cwayne> it takes awhile first boot
[15:37] <sergiusens> 10 minutes
[15:37] <rickspencer3> oh
[15:37] <rickspencer3> lol
[15:38] <rickspencer3> ok, fair enough, I was not *that* patient ;)
[15:38] <sergiusens> click hooks run and block the boot for a bit
[15:38] <rickspencer3> there is is :)
[15:38] <rickspencer3> thanks sergiusens and cwayne
[15:38] <sergiusens> as well as the apparmor ones
[15:38] <ogra_> hmm, we will need to backport pulseaudio support to the emulators qemu i fear
[15:39]  * ogra_ tries since 1h to get any audible burp out of the emulator ... seems there is no chance)
[15:39] <rickspencer3> are there instructions for getting a network connection on it?
[15:39] <ogra_> thats automatic
[15:40] <rickspencer3> oh
[15:40] <rickspencer3> I see
[15:41] <ogra_> rickspencer3, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/emulator/ if you want an ubuntu edge skin (still WIP)
[15:41] <rickspencer3> app scopes didn't update when the network came on :)
[15:41]  * rickspencer3 looks
[15:42] <cwayne> pete-woods, ping
[15:42] <victorp> anyone know how to take a screen shot , seems like function in the sdk is not working for me
[15:42] <ogra_> victorp, mako ? maguro ?
[15:43] <victorp> ogra_, mako with mit
[15:43] <victorp> mir
[15:43] <cwayne> victorp, https://bugs.launchpad.net/phablet-tools/+bug/1238839
[15:43] <ogra_> https://code.launchpad.net/~jibel/+junk/phone-tools
[15:43] <ogra_> victorp, grab the mirfbdump script from above
[15:43] <ogra_> use it on your desktop
[15:43] <ogra_> with the phone attached via USB
[15:46] <victorp> ogra_, magic!
[15:46] <victorp> :P
[15:46] <victorp> thanks worked perfectly
[15:46] <sergiusens> cwayne, I'm waiting for my review comments to be addressed
[15:48] <cwayne> sergiusens, yeah i know, that was just the first relevant link i could find for where to find the script :)
[15:49]  * ogra_ tries with completely disabled pulse on the host
[15:50] <ogra_> aha, now i get an error inside the emulator
[15:50] <ogra_> intresting
[15:56] <ogra_> victorp, do you happen to have a high res png of the ubuntu edge ? i would like ot improve the emulator skin
[15:57] <ogra_> victorp, i have http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/edge-emu.png ... but thats an upscaled jpg from the web ... rather suboptimal
[16:05] <cwayne> pete-woods, hey, just wondering if this ever landed in the image? https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/libusermetrics/themes-xdg-data-dirs/+merge/192191
[16:06] <victorp> ogra_, check with tanya in web team , I am sure she knows where the high res original is
[16:06] <ogra_> cool, will do
[16:12] <pete-woods> cwayne: I thought I'd landed it
[16:13] <cwayne> pete-woods, i thought so too, but i can't seem to get it to work.. :/
[16:13] <cwayne> pete-woods, it should still be that same gsettings key right?
[16:13] <pete-woods> cwayne: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/libusermetrics/trunk
[16:13] <pete-woods> cwayne: maybe it never got landed
[16:14] <pete-woods> cwayne: we'll probably have to request a landing in the spreadsheet
[16:14] <cwayne> pete-woods, is there an easy way to check in-image?
[16:14] <cwayne> to make sure it's not landed instead of landed-and-not-working
[16:15] <pete-woods> cwayne: what version do you have?
[16:15] <pete-woods> 1.1.1+13.10.20131003-0ubuntu1 means that it isn't in there
[16:15] <cwayne> pete-woods, 1.1.1+13.10.20131003-0ubuntu1
[16:15] <cwayne> ah well then :D
[16:15] <pete-woods> :(
[16:15] <pete-woods> I definitely added this stuff to the landing sheet
[16:16] <pete-woods> I should have checked
[16:18] <cwayne> pete-woods, i'm happy to add it and bug the right people to get it in if you'd like :)
[16:19] <pete-woods> cwayne: okay, sure, that would be good!
[16:19] <user82> hi. does ubuntu touch support all mobile internet connection profiles/providers the desktop version supports?
[16:19] <cwayne> pete-woods, sure thing, thanks for the info!  glad it's just not landed instead of landed and broken :D
[16:20] <pete-woods> cwayne: well I'm usually pretty diligent with regards to making things work, this stuff has strong testing
[16:21] <cwayne> pete-woods, glad to hear it :)
[16:21] <pete-woods> but I better not get complacent :)
[16:21] <cwayne> heh
[16:29] <jibel> sergiusens, I didn't have time to fix it sorry, I'll probably do this in the next couple of days
[16:30] <cwayne> someone needs to write a bug reporting sdk app
[16:35] <cwayne> bfiller, btw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1254098
[16:35] <sergiusens> cwayne, previous uds it was said that we don't want to expose bug reporting to users and they should leave comments on the store
[16:35] <sergiusens> previous not being the one from this week ;-)
[16:37] <cwayne> sergiusens, that's valid
[16:37] <cwayne> but i mean for system components, like keyboard
[16:37] <cwayne> half-joking anyway :P
[16:37] <sergiusens> cwayne, I know ;-)
[16:38] <sergiusens> pobably a generic feedback button would do; exposed if you are on the 'stable' channel
[16:46] <jdstrand> rsalveti: fyi, I know you're off, but I updated the snapshot bug to add 'convert-disk', which can be handy if running ./build-emulator-sdcard.sh multiple times (mentioning it in case you've already downloaded the other one)
[16:47] <iBelieve> kenvandine: ping
[16:54] <sergiusens> jibel, I'm not in a hurry; I have a maguro :/
[16:54] <kenvandine> iBelieve, pong
[16:55] <iBelieve> kenvandine: you're the main developer of Friends, right?
[16:55] <kenvandine> iBelieve, robru is for the backend stuff
[16:56] <kenvandine> i am for friends-app and the QML bindings
[16:56] <kenvandine> iBelieve, what's up?
[16:56] <iBelieve> kenvandine: I don't know if you've seen the Google+ post I did, but I made a few changes to the no accounts message.
[16:56] <kenvandine> awesome
[16:56] <kenvandine> got a branch?
[16:56] <iBelieve> kenvandine: I changed the message, centered it, and hid the back button.
[16:57] <iBelieve> kenvandine: Yes, it's lp:~mdspencer/friends-app/improved-message. I don't know how this works for non Core Apps. Can I submit a merge request for it?
[16:58] <kenvandine> iBelieve, yup, thanks!
[16:59] <bfiller> cwayne: as I said, thanks
[16:59] <cwayne> bfiller, having said that, np
[17:00] <iBelieve> kenvandine: submitted the merge request. Here it is if you want to review it: https://code.launchpad.net/~mdspencer/friends-app/improved-message/+merge/196322
[17:00] <mzanetti> cwayne: late-pong
[17:01] <cwayne> mzanetti, heya, i was going to ask about an evernote api call to get the users username
[17:01] <cwayne> so that i can get it into the account-plugin so that it shows the connected accounts displayName
[17:01] <mzanetti> cwayne: hmm... that's a bit more complex
[17:02] <cwayne> i figured it would be :)
[17:02] <cwayne> mzanetti, i *think* we can include any plugins/c++ stuff we'd need
[17:02] <mzanetti> cwayne: ah wat... in which language is that stuff written?
[17:02] <mzanetti> cwayne: are you fine with python?
[17:02] <cwayne> mzanetti, this particular part would be qml
[17:02] <mzanetti> ah ok
[17:03] <cwayne> mzanetti, i understand theres a c++/qt plugin now for making api calls, perhaps i can just include that in the account-plugin
[17:03] <cwayne> that's what i had to do fro the fitbit one to get the name
[17:03] <cwayne> except js instead of c++
[17:03] <mzanetti> cwayne: ok. how would you ship it?
[17:03] <mzanetti> would we need to make it a platform plugin?
[17:03] <cwayne> first as a deb, until account-plugins work as clicks
[17:04] <cwayne> it would just go into the existing package we have now, we just need some qml bits to pull down the username
[17:04] <brendand> bregma, hi
[17:05] <mzanetti> cwayne: ok. so status right now is that the plugin doesn't support fetching the username yet
[17:05] <cwayne> mzanetti, ah, ok
[17:05] <mzanetti> cwayne: that wouldn't be too hard tho
[17:05] <mzanetti> cwayne: but I'm struggling more with copying the plugin
[17:06] <cwayne> well
[17:06] <cwayne> that's the beauty of clicks isnt it?
[17:06] <mzanetti> somehow that feels wrong. but otoh I'm not sure we should make it a platform plugin
[17:06] <cwayne> one package cant use another's plugins
[17:06] <mzanetti> yeah :/
[17:06] <cwayne> mzanetti, i mean it can be stripped down to just use that one api call
[17:06] <cwayne> that's literally what i had to do for fitbit's
[17:06] <cwayne> i agree it's less than ideal and somewhat annoying..
[17:07] <mzanetti> mhm... ok... I guess I can create that for you
[17:07] <cwayne> but as of now, it's either that, or we can't show username
[17:07] <cwayne> mzanetti, thanks!
[17:07] <cwayne> mzanetti, and there will be some branch i can pull already to get a feel of how to use it?
[17:07] <mzanetti> cwayne: do you have a timeframe when you need it?
[17:08] <cwayne> mzanetti, nope, it's not incredibly urgent
[17:08] <cwayne> this is more of an after-hours project for me anyway :)
[17:08] <mzanetti> cwayne: yeah, same here
[17:09] <mzanetti> cwayne: here's the branch to test: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/integrate-plugin/+merge/196210
[17:10] <mzanetti> cwayne: the diff is huge. probably better check out the code and build/run it. then open reminders-app.qml and start from there
[17:11] <mzanetti> cwayne: btw. do you have a branch where this plugin should end? so I could directly file a merge request to it
[17:12] <iBelieve> mhall119: ping
[17:15] <janimo> ogra_, hi,  when you start building x86 tarballs you may add this ppa for qt with gles on x86
[17:16] <janimo> https://launchpad.net/~jani/+archive/qt5-i386-gles/\
[17:17] <cwayne> mzanetti, lp:account-plugin-evernote
[17:18] <mzanetti> cwayne: ack
[17:18] <mzanetti> cwayne: you'll get a MR at some point
[17:18] <cwayne> mzanetti, thanks!
[17:18] <ogra_> janimo, ugh ... it took an immense amount of work to rip the PPAs out and i really wasnt planning to add them again :/
[17:20] <mhall119> iBelieve: pong
[17:21] <mhall119> cjwatson: how hard would it be to make a program that converts a binary .deb into a .click?
[17:21] <mhall119> like alien does for RPMs
[17:22] <iBelieve> hi mhall119, I'm interested in contributing a few UI changes to Ubuntu System Settings. Do you know who I should talk to regarding that?
[17:22] <mhall119> seb128 is still the primary developer on that, as far as I know
[17:22] <iBelieve> mhall119: more like UI tweaks than changes
[17:22] <iBelieve> mhall119: great, thanks.
[17:22] <mhall119> np
[17:23] <seb128> iBelieve, we mostly follow the designs on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemSettings
[17:23] <iBelieve> seb128: ping
[17:23] <seb128> iBelieve, hey
[17:23] <mhall119> iBelieve: did kenvandine reply to you about the changes to Friends?
[17:23] <seb128> iBelieve, but feel free to open bugs/send merge requests our way
[17:23] <iBelieve> mhall119: yes, I pinged
[17:23] <iBelieve> mhall119: him and sent a merge request
[17:23] <mhall119> cool, thanks for the contributions
[17:23] <seb128> iBelieve, if you want to do changes that are not corresponding to the design, please open bugs, so we can get design input on those
[17:24] <iBelieve> seb128: I was wanting to change some of the section headers into using the specific ListItem.Header component, to match the Ubuntu guidelines. Is that okay?
[17:24] <mhall119> seb128: what about for minor polish (that's what he did for friends), can that just be submitted without design input?
[17:24] <seb128> mhall119, sure, as long as it does contradict the design those are fine ... if they is a conflict we need input from designers
[17:24] <mhall119> thanks seb128
[17:25] <seb128> iBelieve, we don't want to use Headers
[17:25] <seb128> iBelieve, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1190234
[17:25] <seb128> iBelieve, especially comment #4 where mpt said he didn't use Headers in his design and why he didn't
[17:27] <iBelieve> seb128: oh, okay. Thanks. I hadn't seen that bug
[17:27] <seb128> iBelieve, yw!
[17:28] <mhall119> seb128: is this still the best channel for discussions like this?
[17:28] <seb128> mhall119, yes, #ubuntu-desktop is fine as well
[17:31] <mhall119> man, no trusty image update since r10
[17:32] <mhall119> does the QtFeedback API work for Ubuntu yet? anybody know?
[17:34] <hardy1> hi
[17:39] <Kaleo> mhall119, testing qt5.2 I have had plenty of vibration in my hands
[17:40] <Kaleo> mhall119, so if it does not work now, it will soon I guess
[17:42] <hardy1> ich interessiere mich für das ubuntu-touch, kann mir jemand sagen wie weit die entwicklung ist, auf welche smartphones man es installieren kann?
[17:47] <Kaleo> hardy1, sorry, we usually speak English here
[17:47] <Kaleo> hardy1, maybe ogra_ can help?
[17:48] <hardy1> well; I am interessted for ubuntu-touch,, maybe you know how is the development of it,  and on what kind of smartphones i can installing it?
[17:48] <hardy1> it's readdy yet maybe?
[17:50] <ogra_> hardy1, the best supported phone currenly is the nexus 4 ... if you can live with some rough edges it is ready for daily use
[17:51] <ogra_> hardy1, beyond this there is the galaxy nexus which works stable but has some performance problems (it is very slow)
[17:51] <hardy1> rough edges , sorry dont understand  - it mean maybe 'bugs'?
[17:51] <ogra_> yes
[17:52] <ogra_> everything works, you can make calls, send/recieve SMS, use the browser etc ... but there are still bugs or missing features here and there
[17:53] <ogra_> there are also XDA developers that ported to other phones, but most of them are behind ... and i think calls dont work on any of them ...
[17:53] <ogra_> !devices | hardy1
[17:53] <ogra_> that wikipage has install instructions and links to the XDA ports too
[17:55] <mhall119> Kaleo: nice! can't wait
[17:56] <hardy1> unfortunately only in english.... but touch knows german?
[17:56] <mhall119> hardy1: if somebody could provide a translation to that page, that would be nice
[17:57] <hardy1> T9 works with german there?
[17:59] <ogra_> hardy1, yes, you can select german in the system settings
[17:59] <ogra_> (and most of the stuff is translated)
[18:04] <janimo> ogra_, np, I can add the ppa and upgrade once there's a booting rootfs and once everything besides the GUI is working
[18:05] <ogra_> janimo, yeah, i would prefer that (and then land your changes quickly in the archiv)
[18:05] <ogra_> *archive
[18:13] <janimo> ogra_, my change is not a proper one, just defaulting i386 to GLES to be able to test unity while a clear decision is made and implemented
[18:13] <janimo> so this is not for the archive
[18:13] <janimo> I'll defer that decision to Mirv or others who maintain Qt
[18:14] <ogra_> ah, k
[18:15] <hardy1> what you think, when will be touch finally readdy?
[18:15] <ogra_> we will do the next official release in April ... i would expect it to be complete by then
[18:16] <ogra_> (in a sense that your mother will be able to use it without missing anything)
[18:16] <hardy1> :D  yes... in this kind
[18:42] <mhall119> kenvandine: ping
[18:46] <alexk42> hi there
[18:46] <alexk42> can someone tell me how to uninstall a core application on ubuntu-touch?
[18:49] <mhall119> alexk42: which app?
[19:02] <alexk42> mhall -- Gallery for exmaple
[19:02] <alexk42> err example
[19:02] <alexk42> I can't find any documentation steering me in the right direction on this one
[19:18] <mhall119> alexk42: ah, gallery is part of the image, not a click package (IIRC), so I don't know if you can remove it without disabling image updates
[19:19] <alexk42> that's fine
[19:19] <alexk42> i'm actually trying to strip everything out except my application
[19:19] <alexk42> and hopefully figure out how to autostart my application
[19:27] <alexk42> how about Dialer?
[19:28] <xnox> alexk42: if you enabled writable image, then all packages are normal packages that you can uninstall with apt.
[19:29] <xnox> alexk42: e.g. apt-get remove gallery-app
[19:29] <xnox> et.c
[19:29] <xnox> most of them will be converted to clicks soon.
[19:29] <xnox> alexk42: the question however, why do you want to do this?
[19:29] <alexk42> ahh okay
[19:29] <alexk42> and to enable a writeable image I just need to update the fstab?
[19:29] <xnox> alexk42: no.
[19:30] <alexk42> ahh, you see how lost I am :)
[19:30] <xnox> alexk42: touch /userdata/.writable_image I think.
[19:30] <xnox> alexk42: or i think one can do it with phablet-config
[19:31] <alexk42> xnox--my ultimate goal is just to use the tablet to run my single application and have everything else inaccessible
[19:31] <xnox> alexk42: phablet-config writable-image
[19:31] <xnox> alexk42: that will be very hard to achieve.
[19:32] <alexk42> I gathered that. I'm just trying to get as close as possible right now
[19:33] <alexk42> okay, so i make a writeable image, uninstall the packages, and I should be golden. And to make my application autostart, i can just add it to /etc/xdg/autostart?
[19:34] <alexk42> thanks a lot for your help btw
[19:34] <xnox> alexk42: no, /etc/xdg/autostart will not work.
[19:35] <xnox> alexk42: you want to start your application via upstart-app-launch
[19:35] <xnox> you can add a new upstart job to do that on login in ~/.config/upstart
[19:36] <alexk42> can you point me to any documentation on the format up the upstart file?
[19:36] <alexk42> i don't want to eat up too much of your time
[19:36] <xnox> man init; http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/
[19:37] <alexk42> thanks xnox
[19:37] <xnox> your welcome =)
[19:37] <xnox> now let the weekend roll in =)
[22:11] <alexk42> does anything need to be updated to run upstart on the user level?
[22:12] <mterry> sforshee, poke?
[22:12] <mterry> sforshee, I have some questions about powerd if you're still around
[22:12] <mterry> alexk42, don't you just do init --user ?
[22:13] <alexk42> that doesn't work
[22:14] <alexk42> i created an upstart config that works beautifully when I run it manually, but doesn't seem to be executed at boot time
[22:14] <mterry> alexk42, if you're on touch, you already have a user init
[22:14] <alexk42> really? where?
[22:15] <mterry> alexk42, is there anything illuminating in /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/YOURJOB.log ?
[22:15] <alexk42> nothing
[22:15] <om26er> how can I change my phone install to read/write ?
[22:15] <mterry> alexk42, it's executed by /usr/bin/ubuntu-touch-session when lightdm does autologin for the phablet user
[22:15] <mterry> om26er, touch /userdata/.writable_image and reboot
[22:15] <om26er> mount -o remount, rw / is not working and neither is touch /userdata/writable_image
[22:15] <mterry> oh
[22:15] <mterry> om26er, need the dot?
[22:16] <cwayne> om26er: phablet-config writable-image
[22:16] <mterry> cwayne, what?!  so fancy
[22:16] <om26er> mterry, probably. rebooted to check that now
[22:16] <cwayne> mterry: i know right?!
[22:16] <alexk42> mterry hmm, does it execute the configs in ~/.init?
[22:16] <cwayne> i've gotta write some wikis on phablet-config
[22:17] <om26er> mterry, yeah worked :)
[22:17] <mterry> alexk42, if it's supposed to, I'd expect it to.  But I haven't personally used that functionality
[22:22] <alexk42> mterry, unfortunately that's not working for me
[22:23] <sforshee> mterry: I'm here, what are you're questions?
[22:24] <mterry> sforshee, ooh
[22:25] <mterry> sforshee, so I'm trying to make some changes in how Mir is used unity-side.  And one of the things I was trying to do was reduce the number of places we reference ~/.display-mir
[22:25] <mterry> sforshee, so I filed bug 1251753
[22:25] <mterry> sforshee, and worked on a branch
[22:25] <mterry> sforshee, but in testing, I noticed that g_idle_add doesn't work in powerd.  But g_timeout(0) did!  Have you noticed that?
[22:25] <mterry> sforshee, it meant that a lot of gdbus calls don't work
[22:26] <sforshee> mterry: no, I'd never noticed that. To be honest powerd was really my first time using glib, so I'm not terribly well versed in it.
[22:27] <mterry> sforshee, I believe in my branch (https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/powerd/no-display-mir/+merge/196399) I am doing the calls in the main thread and couldn't notice anything obviously wrong with my usage
[22:27] <sforshee> mterry: I took to using g_timeout_add because idle seems to put things at a lower priority
[22:27] <mterry> sforshee, actually, idle calls did work, but only if I gave them the highest priority
[22:28] <mterry> sforshee, but..  lower priorities should still get called...
[22:28] <s3> hi
[22:29] <s3> any development for the galaxy s3
[22:29] <sforshee> mterry: I have no idea why that would be, because powerd uses g_timeout_add extensively and that uses the default priority, not the highest
[22:29] <mterry> sforshee, but it's probably a different main loop code path than idle_add?
[22:30] <mterry> s3, dunno myself :-/
[22:30] <sforshee> mterry: possibly, I wouldn't really know without digging into the glib code
[22:30] <mterry> sforshee, does powerd like sleep itself when not doing anything?
[22:32] <sforshee> mterry: well it does most stuff on the glib main loop, which undoubtedly calls epoll or similar when there's nothing to do
[22:32] <sforshee> it certainly spends the vast majority of its time doing nothing
[22:34] <mterry> sforshee, :-/  well, I'm used to glib working!  It's not an urgent bug, so I'm not actively trying to figure it out, but hoped you might have said "oh yeah, we disabled idle somehow"
[22:34] <mterry> sforshee, well, have a good weekend!
[22:34] <sforshee> mterry: no, like I said I'm pretty much a newb at all the glib stuff. Surely there's someone who could explain it, but I'm not that person!
[22:35] <sforshee> mterry: you have a good weekend too


[00:09] <BUGabundo> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/beust/OtakuXml/~3/B9y2BsuzWWU/
[01:03] <johnjohn101> which couchdb is natty going to ship with?
[01:45] <Daekdroom> !info couchdb
[01:45] <Daekdroom> We're past feature freeze. It's highly likely that it's shipping 1.0.x
[02:23] <Jordan_U> How do I synchronize my time with ntp?
[02:23] <rww> 1) sudo apt-get install ntp, 2) have internet access
[02:24] <rww> and if the clock's very, very off, ntpdate may be useful. otherwise, ntp will slowly bend time until the computer's clock is right (which is a better way of doing things)
[02:28] <Daekdroom> Bend time? Make seconds shorter?
[02:28]  * rww nods
[02:28] <rww> or longer, depending on which way the computer's clock is off
[03:08] <throughnothing> im running natty on a macbook (4,1), and just recently (maybe the past few days) it seems that wifi doesn't want to connect properly unless I have the power adapter plugged in
[03:08] <throughnothing> its a broadcom BCM4321
[03:09] <throughnothing> has anyone else heard of a similar issue, or possibly know what I could look into?  Dmesg doesnt really show me anything that seems to be useful between being on battery and plugging in
[05:27] <nlsthzn> oooh... natty got some new icons :)
[05:34] <nlsthzn> best part of an alpha release, every update brings new goodies (and hopefully less crashes :D)
[05:57] <micahg> has anyone been able to boot the 2.6.38-6 update?
[05:57] <micahg> kernel update
[05:58] <nlsthzn> micahg: the latest update... sure
[05:58] <micahg> I get Ignoring Xen kernel on non-Xen host: vmlinuz-2.6.38-6-generic
[05:59] <micahg> nlsthzn: do you have grub 1 installed?
[05:59] <nlsthzn> default, should be grub 2 (I think)...
[06:00] <micahg> k, I still have the original grub, I think that may be part of the issue, was wondering if anyone else ran into it
[06:13] <micahg> of anyone runs into a similar issue, it's bug 692691
[06:43] <Severian> Howdy.  I am looking for the term to describe the taskbar or whatever it is called at the top of the screen in Unity.  For the second time today, it went away and so I can't get to the menu of any application.  The icons on the left went away, too.  I don't have any crashes that popped up.  I don't want someone here to diagnose it.  I just want to search bugs and report one, if I don't find something appropriate.
[07:14] <frybye> Hi - when trying to install 11.04 on a box with 11.10 on it already - pretty much at the start 11.04 says that the partman hast crashed with fault number 141 and trying again produces only the same result - ignoring the fault did not help...
[07:15] <frybye> the system just hung with an "active-" cursor...
[07:16] <Severian> frybye, How is the future, and what brings you back to our time?
[07:17] <frybye> what brings me back to reality is the fact that +1 versions of ubuntu are never that kind to use semi-newbies.. but there you are...
[07:17] <frybye> to "us" semi-.....
[07:18] <Severian> I don't know that it is ever a good idea to install an older version of Ubuntu over a newer one.
[07:18] <frybye> oh kool - just got the ff4 rc ... whoosh...
[07:19] <frybye> you missunderstand.. I have 10.10 now and wanted to add a dual boot with 11.04 not 10.04 eh...?
[07:19] <Severian> Ah, you said you had 11.10 now.  No misunderstanding needed.
[07:19] <frybye> eh and we are in #ubuntu+1 which is all about 11.04 or..?
[07:20] <frybye> oh sorry.. a typo...
[07:20] <Severian> I have tried to install the alternate installer of Alpha 3 of Natty several times.  There is a reported bug which causes the installer to crash about where you say.
[07:21] <Severian> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/729556
[07:21] <frybye> ok - I was using the desktop version but probably the same...
[07:23] <frybye> hmm.. 10.10 is not all that exhotic.. on the other hand there was at some stage a win7 on this box that may have not been completly wiped.. hmmm...
[07:24] <frybye> perhaps related but in my case it was not just that it took a long time to load - i crashed immed. with a fault 141
[07:25] <frybye> I was using the daily build from 9-3 which is probably not soooo different to the apha-3 from 3-3 in this respect..
[07:26] <Severian> I don't know what filesystems are affected by this bug.  But, it seems like it could be your problem.  You'll have to decide for yourself.  Good luck.
[07:27] <frybye> no prob - is not so important - just curios to give 11.04 a try.. could have a go at the live variant from the cd i guess... not that one can do much with them...
[07:59] <zniavre> good morning
[07:59] <zniavre> firefow 4 is nt suposed to use the globalmenu ?
[08:00]  * nlsthzn thinks all things will change in time... global menu and all :)
[10:23] <DJJeff> a major issue with ubuntu 10.10 was using samba to fileshare with windows VISTA/7 will that be fixed in 11.04?
[10:24] <DJJeff> the issue was around logging into windows shares from ubuntu
[11:44] <aLeSD> hi all
[11:44] <aLeSD> how could I set up my ssh server to accept the password from the local accounts ?
[11:44] <aLeSD> I mean it doesn't accept my local passwd
[12:05] <DJJeff> are you using openssh?
[12:09] <DJJeff> try looking in... /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[12:10] <DJJeff> PermitEmptyPasswords no
[12:10] <DJJeff> PasswordAuthentication yes
[12:39] <coz_> ciao dudes
[13:14] <vak> auch... during do-release-upgrade I've answered "Yes" to replace the sudoers file... will I be able to make sudo now?
[13:14] <Daekdroom> vak, did you edit that file in the past?
[13:14] <Daekdroom> If you didn't, then it's alright
[13:14] <Daekdroom> If you did, unless it was something you needed for your system to work, then it's very likely alright too
[13:15] <vak> Daekdroom: I didn't edit anything manually
[13:15] <Daekdroom> Well, I was prompted for the same file replacement.
[13:15] <Daekdroom> and everything is alright ;)
[13:16] <vak> Daekdroom: thanks man! :)
[13:16]  * vak reboots the box
[13:23] <vak> oh, #$%&! my Ubuntu doesn't boot in X/unity
[13:23] <vak> manual startx failed as well
[13:26] <vak> unity is installed but doesn't run for some reason
[13:31] <nlsthzn> that sucks
[13:31] <vak> if X/unity doesn't start, then perhaps runlevel is wrong?
[13:34] <vak> anyone can advise?
[13:37] <Daekdroom> Look at Xorg.0.log
[13:37] <Daekdroom> If possible, pastebin it
[13:38] <vak> Daekdroom: ok!
[13:42] <vak> Daekdroom: hm creen not found / device not found
[13:42] <vak> driver seems to get lost somehow...
[14:16] <rye> hell, anybody here affected by Atheros ath5k (shows up as AR5001 in lspci, 1468:0428) breaking during the transfer and not coming back until reboot with occasional LED blinking and causing the whole system to slow down during the blinking?
[14:54] <noob> hey is there a plan to include debdelta updates in natty ???
[14:59] <Volkodav> pidgin ppa is falling behind too
[15:43] <Mkaysi> Ubuntu ONE is telling that "Connection to server was lost" and after ten seconds it says "Conntection to server was restored." This happens every ten seconds.
[15:43] <Mkaysi> Has anyone else experienced this?
[15:46] <robin0800> Mkaysi, yes just now but its much less frequent
[15:46] <Daekdroom> I am.
[15:47] <Mkaysi> Well, now it's having pause but almost so often.
[15:47] <Mkaysi> Is that bug reported?
[15:49] <jarlath> Anybody lost Unity since the latest updates? I keep getting the classic desktop now, even though the Unity plugin is enabledd in CCSM. I'm on virtualbox.
[15:49] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[16:03] <nlsthzn> jarlath: nope... so far my unity still fine... but mine is a full install
[16:03] <jarlath> nlsthzn, thanks. Maybe I should check the vbox settings incase something changed since the install.
[16:06] <nlsthzn> anything is possible (my natty install is so stable it is scary the whole day)
[16:08] <robin0800> using unity 2d now for two days loving it everything just works
[16:08] <jarlath> Wow, that's interesting nlsthzn. Must be my setup. robin0800 , good idea! I should enable 2D acceleration and at least have unity 2D. I'll do a quick reboot.
[16:10] <robin0800> jarlath, its even got notifications in the top panel
[16:12] <jarlath> very nice.
[16:12] <Tohuw> is the disappearing until you hover over it menu thing intended?
[16:12] <jarlath> It'll make it easier that everyone has a similar desktop regardless of hardware.
[16:12] <Tohuw> Like when I'm in an application, especially just Nautilus, the menu isn't visible until I hover over it
[16:13] <genii-around> The sysinfo package installs without complaint, but has probs. I think is not installing dependencies like mono and others. http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/sysinfo shows for some reason the only dependency is nvidia-settings. But compare for instance to the dependency list for maverick: http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/sysinfo
[16:14] <robin0800> jarlath, yes think so but things with menus that go there do that as well nice INMHO
[16:28] <jarlath> For those of you with a healthy Natty/Unity setup - what kernel are you using? (uname -a). I'm on 2.6.38-6
[16:30] <yofel> 2.6.38-5, but I didn't update today yet, so -6 sounds right
[16:34] <jarlath> yofel, I'll be curious to see if you still have a working Unity 3D after the update :)
[16:35] <yofel> I don't use unity so I can't answer that, but I'll see if opengl works in general
[16:35] <jarlath> Ah, okay.
[16:39] <genii-around> If I'm not directly affiliated with my LoCo, is there a place I can announce a Natty Release Party besides http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/744/detail/   ?
[16:42] <charlie-tca> genii-around: Ubuntu Weekly News? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue219#Additional%20Ubuntu%20News
[16:43] <genii-around> charlie-tca: Interesting, thanks!
[16:44] <BluesKaj> jarlath, same here, generic in my case 2.6.38-6-generic
[16:44] <charlie-tca> genii-around: there will be other places too, but they haven't announced the release party places yet
[16:45] <BluesKaj> but I'm a kde user , wm files are crashing amarok .... that's why i use vlc
[16:46] <yofel> jarlath: works fine with KDE+nvidia
[16:46] <jarlath> BluesKaj, yofel - thanks!
[16:47] <BluesKaj> yofel, what about you , do you have any windows media music files , if so how are they working ?
[16:47] <yofel> BluesKaj: errr, very few, would have to find some first..
[16:48] <BluesKaj> I transferred some from wife's pc , maybe I should just convert them
[16:48] <yofel> tried a different backend?
[16:49] <BluesKaj> they work on vlc , crash amarok
[16:49] <yofel> no, phonon backend, old one was xine, natty uses gstreamer and there's a vlc one too
[16:50] <BluesKaj> phonon uses xine from my understanding , just slightly different
[16:50] <yofel> BluesKaj: check your phonon settings for what it's using
[16:51] <genii-around> charlie-tca: The last one I had was for Lucid, there was a listing of parties I think on the wiki
[16:51] <yofel> BluesKaj: if you have kubuntu-desktop installed in natty then you will have at least the gstreamer backend installed
[16:52] <charlie-tca> genii-around: they will announce it later in the cycle
[16:52] <BluesKaj> it's using xine yofel , but gstreamer is available
[16:53] <yofel> try gst, might help if it's not an amarok issue
[16:53] <BluesKaj> yofel, yup, doing it now
[16:55] <BluesKaj> yofel, ok , gst works
[16:56] <yofel> :
[16:56] <yofel> :)
[16:56] <BluesKaj> is phonon suppodes to use gst by default or ...?
[16:56] <BluesKaj> supposed
[16:57] <yofel> the new default is gstreamer, but xine will stay enabled on upgrades IIRC
[17:04] <BluesKaj> yofel, dunno muxh about gstreamer but IIRC, wasn't it the default backend for the xmms players and most others a few yrs back....seems like a regression in a way but if it works well then I'm happy :)
[17:25] <lcb> hi. does anyone know how to reconfigure keyboard on a server basic install?
[17:26] <lcb> localepurge is not available anymore (with default repos)
[17:29] <yofel> lcb: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup or keyboard-configuration I think, not sure which one
[17:30] <lcb> yofel, i just noticed i'm missing repos on the source.list. i'm manually adding it
[17:31] <lcb> ...after a clean install, on this particular machine, btw
[17:32] <lcb> if i didn't do any mistake (i gess not) ihad problemas on 'tasksel' step, during install. got stuck
[17:36] <robotti^> hello
[17:36] <lcb> btw, yofel, dpkg-reconfigure console-setup works, thanks!
[17:37] <nlsthzn> anyone else have there main volume going to zero for the first two songs you play in Banshee... after the second the volume stays put?
[17:37] <robotti^> I am trying to install Ubuntu 11.04 latest alpha on virtual box, mut it's get always stuck to where it say: For best results, please ensuse that this computer has at least 2.5 GB available drive space and so on. After I click Forward it just does nothing
[17:38] <robotti^> is this normal at this moment?
[17:38] <robotti^> it does not work
[17:39] <lcb> robotti^, immo i'll use dynamic space on the initial vbox settings
[17:39] <nlsthzn> robotti^: how much space are you allocating the install?
[17:40] <robotti^> lcb: I use dynamic space
[17:40] <robotti^> nlsthzn: 8GB
[17:40] <Daekdroom> nlsthzn, my volume goes to zero when I open rhythmbox or banshee, but that is it
[17:40] <robotti^> nlsthzn: when using 10.10, it just works perfectly
[17:41] <robotti^> but I cannot get over with this thing when using ubuntu 11.04 alpha version
[17:41] <lcb> robotti^,  with alpha 3 install?
[17:41] <nlsthzn> Daekdroom: goes to zero when I open, and then on the first switch of a song also to zero... after that it is fine :p
[17:42] <robotti^> lcb: yes. latest from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[17:42] <nlsthzn> robotti^: I have only has one successful install of natty and it was this full install I am using currently... not sure what the VBox issue is
[17:42] <robotti^> lcb: I downloaded it about two hour ago
[17:42] <MTecknology> what's the default program for scanning images in natty?
[17:42] <robotti^> nlsthzn: it works nice when using it on live mode
[17:43] <robotti^> nlsthzn: but when I try install it get stuck. and installer is unresponsive
[17:43] <robotti^> I have tested 64-bit and 32-bit versions
[17:44] <robotti^> and tested it also some days ago with older build
[17:44] <lcb> robotti^, i had some install probs also from a +/- same timing download but not due to space issues. i installed natty on several machines and works fine, so be disappointed. try the image from alpha 3, not the daily one.
[17:44] <robotti^> I can test also 10.10 and mint linux, but I am quite this happens only with this natty narwhal
[17:45] <robotti^> lcb: can you give direct link?
[17:45] <lcb> *so don't be disappointed * :)
[17:46] <robotti^> lcb: where I can download that alpha 3 image, because I just found that daily image
[17:46] <nlsthzn> robotti^: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/natty/alpha-3/
[17:47] <lcb> tks nlsthzn. i was looking for it
[17:47] <robotti^> thank you
[17:47] <nlsthzn> np
[17:47] <robotti^> I should test it
[17:48] <lcb> robotti^,  clear that vbox machine before install again
[17:48] <robotti^> lcb: I always create totally new virtual machine
[17:48] <robotti^> and new virtual disc
[17:48] <lcb> yeap.. better
[17:50] <robotti^> I should set it now, it just downloaded
[17:51] <robotti^> how much memory I should use?
[17:51] <robotti^> like 768MB?
[17:51] <robotti^> or 1024?
[17:51] <lcb> robotti^, start with defaults, might be better
[17:52] <robotti^> default was 512
[17:52] <robotti^> and I have about 7GB memory
[17:52] <lcb> doesn't matter. you'll see
[17:52] <robotti^> ok
[17:52] <lcb> increase it if you prefer dough
[17:53] <robotti^> ok
[17:54] <robotti^> now booting
[17:55] <lcb> if it smokes don't inhale :o
[17:55] <lcb> :)
[17:55] <robotti^> should I check checkbox Download updates while installing and INstall this third-party software
[17:55] <robotti^> :D
[17:55] <lcb> yes
[17:56] <robotti^> now it is working
[17:56] <robotti^> :D
[17:56] <lcb> see...
[17:56] <robotti^> now it does not get stuck
[17:56] <robotti^> maybe because of using daily version?
[17:57] <robotti^> that was broken
[17:57] <robotti^> might be?
[17:57] <lcb> robotti^, natty is in testing stage so be patient.. and test.. and try again :)
[17:58] <lcb> robotti^, probably. i never had the type of issue i had today
[17:59] <lcb> doesn't mean it happens in all environments dough. could work fine on other machines.
[17:59] <robotti^> yes
[18:02] <robotti^> now booting system
[18:02] <robotti^> it is fast install
[18:03] <robotti^> I like it
[18:14] <robotti^> after update it looks terrible
[18:14] <robotti^> :D
[18:15] <nlsthzn> so far I am enjoying natty... it is my primary OS at the moment
[18:15] <robotti^> nlsthzn: but how to set sound things to top menu bar?
[18:15] <robotti^> it deleted default things from menu bar after update
[18:16] <nlsthzn> ouch... I am not sure to be honest
[18:16] <robotti^> it works very well after install, but after updates it is bad
[18:16] <robotti^> Now I cannot set volume and output things
[18:17] <lcb> robotti^, when you have any probs with desktop logout and use desktop classic
[18:17] <robotti^> and there is no that where I can reboot, log in different user and something else
[18:17] <robotti^> only clock and networking icon
[18:18] <robotti^> lcb: how to do that?
[18:18] <lcb> ...and later on, probably the issue you are having it might be solved (if it is natty fault  :)
[18:18] <lcb> robotti^, no menus at all?
[18:19] <robotti^> lcb: there is global menu for software, but no menus for different things on right top toolbar
[18:19] <robotti^> I just added clock there
[18:20] <robotti^> but I do not know where I can find everything else
[18:20] <robotti^> should I delete settings nad log in again?
[18:20] <robotti^> and
[18:20] <lcb> logon again and select classic desktop
[18:20] <robotti^> I can try
[18:21] <lcb> not sure if gnome-session-save -- kill will work,  to get the logout dialog
[18:21] <robotti^> lcb: how to select classic desktop?
[18:22] <robotti^> I just log out from my user
[18:22] <robotti^> and there is only my user and no settings to select different desktop managers.
[18:22] <lcb> robotti^,  after select user and before input your password, selec the type of desktop
[18:24] <robotti^> ok, now I get it :)
[18:24] <robotti^> lcb: there is now global menu and all little nice icons
[18:25] <lcb> add it
[18:25] <robotti^> lcb: it is working like should be
[18:25] <robotti^> like before update
[18:25] <lcb> that's the classical style
[18:26] <robotti^> lcb: that is not classical style, because there is that global menu
[18:26] <lcb> if your machine handles 3d you'll have all the features
[18:26] <robotti^> this is virtual box
[18:26] <robotti^> and it should handle them good
[18:26] <lcb> i didn't try on vbox yet
[18:27] <robotti^> I can install additions and try with 3D candies
[18:27] <lcb> clicking on the pannels you don't get "add to panel"?
[18:27] <robotti^> I get
[18:28] <lcb> so, you could add whatever you want, not the left natty menu bar though
[18:28] <robotti^> lcb: no, I am using classic theme
[18:28] <robotti^> and there is all default icons
[18:28] <lcb> exactly.
[18:29] <robotti^> what I need, but when using that different system, there is only networking icon
[18:29] <lcb> robotti^, under the hood there are a lot of changes, don't forget that. graphically you'll (we'll) get it in time.
[18:29] <robotti^> and I cannot find those little apps to menu bar
[18:30] <lcb> now we have to pay for each one
[18:30] <lcb> just kidding
[18:31] <robotti^> now installing virtual box additions
[18:31] <lcb> robotti^,  that's a smart ove... before getting all graphics functions :p
[18:31] <lcb> ove/move
[18:32] <lcb> guest additions are not only for sharing and stuff; it affects graphical manipulation too
[18:36] <robotti^> lcb: where I cant set up eyecandy?
[18:36] <robotti^> lcb: I know :) that why I installed eye candy additions :)
[18:38] <robotti^> lcb: how to enable that new unity system?
[18:38] <lcb> right click on desktop and select 'change desktop back...'. then 'theme', i guess you'll get it
[18:39] <lcb> try logging again on 'Ubuntu desktop', not classic
[18:39] <lcb> no i have to go pee, if you don't mind :)
[18:41] <robotti^> lcb: it is totally okay to go pee :))
[18:46] <robotti^> lcb: it works now when 3D enabled on virtual box
[18:46] <robotti^> that unity
[18:56] <robotti^> lcb: how to customize that unity toolbar?
[18:56] <robotti^> look and feel?
[18:57] <Nafallo> anyone want to walk me through t
[18:57] <Nafallo> getting my grub to see the btrfs as root again?
[18:58] <Nafallo> it stopped working after this mornings updates.
[18:58] <Nafallo> or if it was last evenings... one of the two.
[18:59] <robin0800> Nafallo, recover console at grub boot time and reinstall grub
[19:00] <Nafallo> robin0800: recover console dumps me in initramfs, just as trying to boot normal does.
[19:01] <Nafallo> I really need to manually mount this correctly in initramfs and let the system boot normally I believe. at least to start with.
[19:01] <robin0800> Nafallo, you will have to use a disk then
[19:02] <Nafallo> so ehrm.. the problem isn't grub.
[19:02] <alkisg> Yup :)
[19:02] <Nafallo> fixing something that ain't broken is not likely to be a worthy option to explore.
[19:03] <alkisg> Specific error messages might help
[19:03] <Nafallo> it's far more likely that my initramfs images got re-spun whenever I last did the package upgrades.
[19:03] <Nafallo> if I had any... :-P
[19:03] <Nafallo> it's basically complaining that it can't find /sbin/init on /root
[19:04] <robin0800> Nafallo, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351
[19:04] <Nafallo> and that is because /root contains the different mountpoints of the btrfs. i.e. /sbin/init is in /root/@/ :-)
[19:04]  * Nafallo checks the link
[19:05] <Nafallo> so again. the problem isn't likely to be grub.
[19:05] <Nafallo> the problem is most likely mount being called without an argument to select the subvolume.
[19:13] <shaneo> how do i turn off this speech thing on my natty desktop
[19:18] <robotti^> how to install gnome shell 3? :)
[19:18] <robotti^> can I also test it?
[19:18] <coz_> robotti^,  not sure but i believe there is a ppa for it somewhere
[19:22] <doodoo> I have a laptop with ATI card and i want to install natty. Can I install natty on it as I heard there is no ATI driver in natty yet. Thanks
[19:24] <Nafallo> robin0800, alkisg: so yeah. adding rootflags=subvol=@ to the linux line in grub fixes my issue.
[19:25] <alkisg> Nafallo: ah you made a snapshot yesterday?
[19:26] <robotti^> I managed crash my graphics driver
[19:27] <Nafallo> alkisg: I've got apt-btrfs-snapshot installed. I get snapshots every time I run apt.
[19:27] <alkisg> Nafallo: heh, cool, but I thought that snapshots can't yet be deleted?
[19:28] <alkisg> So you're stuck with ever increasing snapshots?
[19:28] <Nafallo> so no, I'd say someone broke something somewhere :-)
[19:28] <Nafallo> ehrm btrfs -D SnapshotName /mountpoint
[19:29] <alkisg> Got it. I too tried btrfs but its compression is not yet working with grub
[19:29] <alkisg> So I'll ditch it for now
[19:29] <Nafallo> I've got an SSD. just saying.
[19:29] <Nafallo> ;-)
[19:29] <coz_> Nafallo,  show off  :)
[19:30] <alkisg> Let's not start mentioning sizes :D
[19:30] <coz_> yes I dont want you all to feel bad :)
[19:31] <Nafallo> pff ;-)
[19:31] <coz_> lol
[19:32] <Nafallo> wait until I get enough cash to buy a SLC-based SSD for my server :-P
[19:32] <coz_> :)
[19:34] <Nafallo> right. let's see if I can convince this thing it really really wants a default subvolume if I don't specify one...
[20:02] <robotti^> how to revocer password?
[20:02] <robotti^> like how to set new password
[20:02] <robotti^> because on install I accidently set wrong password
[20:02] <robotti^> how to boot password free root?
[20:06] <trism> robotti^: should be able to use the recovery mode, select the root shell option and then use: passwd username; to set a new password for the user, replacing username with your username
[20:08] <robotti^> trism: but it ask password?
[20:08] <robotti^> that root shell
[20:08] <robotti^> root password
[20:08] <trism> robotti^: it does? it shouldn't when the root account is locked
[20:09] <robotti^> funny
[20:11] <trism> robotti^: if all else fails you can use the live cd, mount the partition, then: chroot /dev/sda1 /bin/bash; replacing /dev/sda1 with the partition where your linux system is installed, then use: passwd username;
[20:12] <robotti^> now it works
[20:12] <trism> robotti^: sorry not /dev/sda1, the path to the mounted partition, like /media/sda1 or whatever
[20:12] <trism> robotti^: glad you got it working
[20:19] <soreau> Today apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade gives: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of apport-gtk: apport-gtk depends on apport (>= 0.41); however:  Package apport is not configured yet.
[20:19] <soreau> Is there a way to fix it?
[20:28] <yofel> soreau: can you pastebin the output of sudo dpkg --configure -a
[20:29] <soreau> yofel: http://pastebin.com/xCbn9H3a
[20:31]  * yofel thought that was fixed...
[20:31] <yofel> is apport enabled in /etc/default/apport?
[20:31] <soreau> Not sure, how can I check?
[20:31] <soreau> yes it is enabled=1
[20:32] <soreau> yofel: I am chrooted into the natty partition from maverick however..
[20:32] <yofel> ah... upstart has issues with chroots I think...
[20:32] <soreau> maybe I need to try while natty's actually running
[20:32] <yofel> give me a sec
[20:33]  * soreau tries
[20:34] <yofel> soreau: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/apport.postinst and change line 11 to:
[20:34] <yofel>  11         invoke-rc.d apport start || exit 0
[20:34] <yofel> erm, without the 11 at the beginning..
[20:37] <soreau> yofel: I just booted into it and it worked
[20:37]  * genii-around wonders if soreau ever got the "don't run as root" lecture
[20:37]  * soreau wonders if genii-around knows what chroot means
[20:38] <soreau> but I cannot get any windows to appear in X, just a mouse cursor and wallpaper
[20:38] <soreau> no panel, nothing. But unity and compiz are running
[20:38] <genii-around> soreau: Ah, thought was regular prompt
[20:38] <soreau> genii-around: nope. I'm usually the one giving the lecture :)
[20:38] <yofel> which sounds like my last unity experience...
[20:38] <soreau> but replacing with metacity has no effect either
[20:38] <yofel> I had no panel and no sidebar
[20:39] <soreau> after starting gnome-panel/terminal from tty, it's still nothing
[20:39] <soreau> but it used to work
[20:39] <robin0800> soreau, try unity --replace &
[20:41] <soreau> robin0800: actually, I probably should let all updates complete and reboot
[20:46] <bwallum> latest overnight fails to complete install
[20:48] <robin0800> bwallum, its an alpha
[20:49] <nperry_> Need java sdk, openjdk building fails.
[20:50] <nperry_> Now its been removed from partner, where can I grab from?
[20:53] <soreau> ok it's all updated but after X loads, there are no windows able to be visible, only a mouse cursor and the wallpaper. Nothing else. What could be wrong?
[20:55] <robin0800> soreau, have you logged in?
[20:55] <soreau> uh, yea it's on auto login
[20:55] <soreau> doesn't matter what wm I try to start from tty, or start windows like gnome-terminal, they do not show in X
[20:56] <soreau> not even the cursor changes to resize or anything when moving over the screen
[20:56] <soreau> it's just wallpaper and mouse cursor and all programs are running, it's just not showing any windows
[20:57] <robin0800> soreau, would suspect compiz has crashed no compiz no unity 3d
[20:58] <soreau> I just need a terminal.
[20:58]  * soreau tries startx
[20:59] <soreau> ok with startx I can get a terminal up
[21:04] <bwallum> #robin0800 just feedback
[21:04] <soreau> no wonder
[21:04] <soreau> my user isn't part of the video group for whatever reason
[21:05] <soreau> pretty serious consequence for broken 3D (when not even metacity works)
[21:06] <bwallum> installing latest upgrade
[21:07] <yofel> soreau: nobody is in the video group, that's unused these days AFAIK
[21:07] <soreau> ummmm
[21:08] <soreau> Then why does glxinfo say that it can't open drm because of permissions?
[21:08] <soreau> And ls -l /dev/dri/card0 is root video
[21:08] <yofel> then some udev rule is broken maybe, works fine here
[21:08] <soreau> Are you using a proprietary driver?
[21:08] <yofel> ah, you're using some open source driver
[21:09] <yofel> yes
[21:09] <soreau> Then you don't count ;)
[21:09] <soreau> It's not just some open driver btw, it's The Radeon Driver [TM] ;)
[21:15] <guntbert> what shall I make of the following? : sudo aptitude safe-upgrade .... Resolving dependencies...         .... open: 50601; closed: 62432; defer: 73; conflict: 174                           .Killed
[21:24] <Daekdroom> !info libnux
[22:01] <soreau> unity does not work at all
[22:02] <soreau> I can get compiz to work, but unity makes it so no windows are mapped and only the mouse cursor shows against wallpaper
[22:02] <Daekdroom> soreau, have you done today's unity updates?
[22:03] <soreau> Just finished a few hours ago
[22:03] <Daekdroom> Some of them hit the repos less than an hour ago.
[22:04] <Daekdroom> (atleast here)
[22:38] <slackster> Hi, if I install 11.04 alpha three, I will be able to update everything via the update manager, and not have to reinstall the release by disc?
[22:38] <slackster> also, is there a page dedicated to show stopper?
[22:40] <slackster> show stoppers*
[22:43] <iceroot> natty is the one coming without x-server? or is it ubuntu+2? :)
[22:44] <charlie-tca> slackster: correct, you can update without re-installing and as long as you do, you will have an installation equal to the final release
[22:45] <charlie-tca> iceroot: natty does have x-server, not sure which release will go wayland without X
[22:45] <iceroot> charlie-tca: ok, thanks
[22:46] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[22:51] <iceroot> It’s highly unlikely that the default Ubuntu install in a year will be on Wayland.  shuttleworth november 2011
[22:51] <iceroot> 2010 of course
[22:56] <slackster> iceroot, thanks
[22:56] <slackster> oh.. this talk of x-server
[22:57] <slackster> does natty have unity by default?
[22:58] <slackster> if so, if there are driver problems, gnome with be able to be used instead?
[22:59] <slackster> if so :P, will that require a separate download, or it is included on the cd?
[23:00] <KM0201> slackster: i put natty on another machine that apparently had a "driver issue"... and it defaulted to Gnome no problem
[23:01] <slackster> KM0201, ah, thanks a lot