[17:40] <ljunggren> oy vey
[20:46] <BuddyB> hi all
[20:49] <ianorlin> hi need help with anything?
[20:50] <BuddyB> yes, new to lubuntu and have some gerneric q's. I'm running 14.04 and i cannot access my desktop pager settings. It always shows an error message and i cannot access it
[20:51] <ianorlin> ah that is a known bug to get around that go to the lxde menu prefrences  and openbox configuration manager and click on the desktop tab
[20:51] <ianorlin> it will take you to where that should take you but is broken
[20:53] <BuddyB> ok, i am seeing it now. is there now way to change the size/length of the pager panel?
[20:55]  * ianorlin doesn't know of a way to do that
[20:55] <ianorlin> I think it stays same size as icons on panel
[20:55] <ianorlin> although it can get a bit wide in multimonitor setups
[20:56] <BuddyB> yes, i have multip moitors so it is the equivalant of 6 icons
[20:56] <BuddyB> oh well
[20:56] <ianorlin> ah yeah espically if they are side by side
[20:57] <BuddyB> yes, but the panel stretches across both so still plenty of real estate, just trying to clean things up a bit
[20:57] <ianorlin> although you don't technically need a pager if you use keyboard shortcuts of control alt left and contorl alt right to switch
[20:57] <levo> where can i find desktop sharing settings on my lubuntu?
[21:42] <Aison> hello, I tried to install lubuntu an a old pentium 4. The installation progress until grub should be installed
[21:44] <Aison> but that allways fails with some error (not specified)
[21:44] <ianorlin> aison what happens then?
[21:44] <ianorlin> which isntaller are you using and did you check the md5sum?
[21:44] <Aison> the console installer
[21:45] <ianorlin> can you boot that disk up again and run the self test at the menu at the start
[21:45] <Aison> maybe I should create the boot usb stick again?
[21:45] <ianorlin> check if it is good first
[21:46] <ianorlin> !md5sum
[21:49] <Aison> ok
[21:49] <ianorlin> did the self test work?
[21:59] <Aison> working on it :P
[22:06] <Aison> hmm
[22:07] <Aison> I guess md5sum lubuntu.iso and md5sum /dev/sdh should be equal after
[22:07] <Aison> dd if=lubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdh
[22:07] <Aison> or not?
[23:28] <Aison> when I boot now I end up in initramfs) console
[23:29] <Aison> during installation the harddrive was /dev/sdf
[23:29] <Aison> now it is /dev/sda
[23:29] <Aison> can I fix this somehow from initramfs console?


[08:33] <alkisg> Are there any future thoughts for supporting debian releases in PPAs? `add-apt-repository ppa:ts.sch.gr` works from e.g. wheezy, but of course then it says that it can't download the repository index...
[08:36] <hyperair> there's also talk about non-launchpad debian ppas
[08:36] <hyperair> still in planning though, iirc
[08:37] <alkisg> That's be cool :)
[08:37] <alkisg> *'d
[08:37] <hyperair> https://launchpad.net/debian/+ppas
[08:37] <hyperair> hang on, isn't this it?
[08:37] <hyperair> i mean the launchpad support for debian ppas, that is
[08:37] <hyperair> have you tried uploading to them?
[08:38] <alkisg> Not in the last year or so...
[08:39] <jose> it also looks quite empty compared to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas
[08:39] <hyperair> try copying the [ppa] section from /etc/dput.cf and making one that uplods to .../debian instead of .../ubuntu
[08:39] <wgrant> Launchpad PPAs do not support Debian.
[08:39] <hyperair> oh :(
[08:39] <wgrant> It's mostly a matter of build resources.
[08:40] <alkisg> "copy packages" from some ppa doesn't list any debian release as a target... ah, thanks wgrant
[08:41] <wgrant> Debian was working on similar functionality in dak a few months ago, but I haven't kept up to date with that this year.
[08:43] <alkisg> From what I read in the mailing lists, those seem to only target DDs...
[08:43] <alkisg> So it wouldn't be quite like launchpad PPAs, where any developer can upload
[12:51] <Saviq> can we prevent a user from assigning themselves to a bug over and over again https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1292306 ?
[13:10] <dobey> Saviq: ask them not to do that?
[13:11] <Saviq> dobey, they've been asked already
[13:12] <Saviq> dobey, https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1292306/comments/11
[13:12] <Saviq> didn't work
[13:31] <dobey> Saviq: it looks like mostly an issue of being over-enthusiastic on their part. https://bugs.launchpad.net/~rprosamaria383/+assignedbugs
[13:40] <dobey> Saviq: i just sent a more stern e-mail warning that if it does not stop it will be viewed as spam and the account disabled
[14:16] <Saviq> dobey, thanks
[19:42] <balor> Is it a *requirement* to sign packages to upload them to my PPA?
[19:42] <cjwatson> yes
[19:42] <balor> I ask because I build on Ubuntu, but my system with gpg keys is a Fedora box.  Dput does not exist on Fedora.
[19:43] <cjwatson> try debrsign
[19:43] <balor> cjwatson, thanks
[19:44] <czajkowski> balor: howdy!
[19:44] <balor> czajkowski, hey...did I ever tell you of my undying preference for .rpm over .deb?
[19:45] <balor> czajkowski, I'm struggling to make a release of some software.
[19:45] <czajkowski> balor: If you ask someone may be able to point you in the right direction
[19:45] <czajkowski> balor: also, long time no see!
[19:47] <balor> czajkowski, yes, I've been busy.  I've just built some .deb files and am trying to get them into PPA.  So now I just have to sign and dput them. I'd _prefer_ to be able to sign them and scp them from a Fedora box, for various reasons.
[19:48] <balor> However, I think the path of least resistance is to make a special gpg signing key and use that on my Ubuntu VMs
[19:50] <balor> czajkowski, how's the mongo world treating you
[19:53] <dobey> balor: you can't dput the binary .deb files to a PPA anyway. you can only upload the source package
[19:54] <dobey> but yes, the source must be signed
[19:55] <balor> dobey, thats dpkg-buildpackage -S I believe.  thanks.
[19:55] <dobey> with a valid, non-expired key, which matches the fingerprint specified on your lp profile
[19:55] <dobey> yes
[19:55] <balor> dobey, much obliged.
[20:01] <qengho> dobey: I left my PPA alone.  I uploaded a new version of chromium that supersedes previous version. The old version is still there, and my third upload just failed because of lack of disk space.
[20:05] <czajkowski> balor: it's good, heading to milan and rome next week for two events I'm running so kept busy
[20:06] <qengho> One architecture of the second upload did fail to build. Could that make the first upload, the version that should be superceded (and is labeled so), not be deleted?
[20:07] <balor> czajkowski, sweet.  Make time in Rome to get to see the Vatican gallery. It's worth the queue.
[20:13] <dobey> qengho: i think one superseded version is kept around, along with the current version. how big is a single package?
[20:14] <qengho> Hrm, about 1GB or so.
[20:15] <qengho> I only juggle elephants.
[20:15] <dobey> qengho: yikes. maybe you should just ask for more disk space in that PPA
[20:15] <qengho> dobey: Roger.  Thanks.
[20:32] <balor> success!  I think.
[20:35] <balor> I presume it takes time for the source deb to be built on the launchpad side before it hits my PPA?
[20:36] <cjwatson> the source package should be published shortly; binaries will take a little longer, yes
[20:37] <cjwatson> you should get a mail when the source upload is accepted if it was properly signed
[20:37] <balor> great :)
[20:38] <cjwatson> balor: looks like it was rejected though
[20:38] <cjwatson> ah, you got the PPA name wrong
[20:38] <balor> I did
[20:38] <balor> yeah
[20:38] <balor> I copied the documentation, but my ppa name is different
[20:39] <cjwatson> and you need an Ubuntu series rather than "unstable" in debian/changelog when you build the package, by the looks of it?
[20:39]  * cjwatson goes for childcare
[20:40] <balor> cjwatson, thanks
[22:44] <qengho> I deleted packages from my PPA more than an hour ago. The quota isn't updated to zero yet. https://launchpad.net/~cmiller/+archive/chromium-browser-beta-daily/+packages
[22:57] <wgrant> qengho: The package pools are only cleaned every 6 hours, so it can take 12 hours.
[22:57] <wgrant> I've doubled your quota.
[23:41] <qengho> wgrant: thank you.


[04:38] <LLStarks|Clevo> any chance the edge sensitivity for unity will be fixed?
[04:38] <LLStarks|Clevo> it really interferes with firefxo
[05:06] <FFForever> Any devs around?
[10:27] <hrw> hi
[12:06] <hrw> can unity toppanel take colours from window decoration rather then from UI colours?
[12:37] <greyback> hrw: it takes the colour from the wallpaper I believe
[12:38] <hrw> http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/~hrw/shots/Zrzut%20ekranu%202011-11-09%2013%3a38%3a07.png - rather not
[12:53] <zyga> didrocks, hi
[12:53] <didrocks> zyga: hey
[12:53] <zyga> didrocks, I'd like to help with unity g-c-c
[12:53] <zyga> didrocks, (to be precise) with the config tool that ships by default on precise and allows limited degree of configurability
[12:54] <didrocks> zyga: excellent! I don't have the time to precisely look at this those days, but any help is really appreciated
[12:54] <zyga> greyback, are you sure? I thought it is strictly controlled by the theme?
[12:54] <zyga> greyback, (the launcher looks at the wallpaper on the other hand)
[12:54] <didrocks> We first wait on JohnLea to get the list of all options that should be exposed in the gcc panel
[12:55] <zyga> didrocks, I want some high level guidance, the language, a demo/simple g-c-c codebase to start with and the options (that you mentioned)
[12:55] <zyga> didrocks, + any design from dx
[12:55] <didrocks> zyga: design will come from the design team (and so JohnLea), we need him to make a mockup first
[12:56] <didrocks> zyga: he has a WI for that
[12:56] <zyga> didrocks, ok, I'll stay put and look at that
[12:56]  * zyga needs to take a break from all the web app development
[12:56] <didrocks> sure, I'll ping you when we got those (2/3 weeks)
[12:56] <didrocks> :)
[12:57] <zyga> didrocks, I'm sure something can be done earlier
[12:57] <zyga> didrocks, like the skeleton of the app, the set of settings glued, etc
[12:57] <didrocks> zyga: well, not that much can be done before compiz with gsettings land
[12:57] <didrocks> and the set of settings to be glued should come from design
[12:57] <zyga> didrocks, ah... so compiz uses something different at this stage?
[12:58] <zyga> didrocks, how about the settings for global menu?
[12:58] <didrocks> what do you mean?
[12:58] <zyga> didrocks, is that also a part of compiz?
[12:58] <zyga> didrocks, ability to turn it on/off from g-c-c
[12:58] <didrocks> this need first code in unity itself :)
[12:58] <didrocks> with test suite and such
[12:59] <zyga> didrocks, I thought this is already possible
[12:59] <didrocks> there is no option right now, and the only way to remove it is to remove the appmenu-gtk package
[12:59] <didrocks> no, it's not
[12:59] <zyga> didrocks, (perhaps with a logout/login cycle)
[12:59] <zyga> didrocks, I see
[12:59] <zyga> didrocks, ok, interesting days ahead :)
[12:59] <didrocks> you can unexport a environment var
[12:59] <didrocks> but not really the best option :)
[13:22] <hrw> bug 888050
[13:59] <AlanBell> hi all, I would like to find out what the strategy is for fixing bug 762699 and similar
[14:00] <AlanBell> bascially compiz does not interact with NUX, no effects touch the unity layer including zooming, which is bad when you want to zoom in, but good when you want to zoom out for the workspace switcher
[14:03] <kenvandine> AlanBell, probably need to talk to Jason, but he isn't online atm
[14:03] <kenvandine> maybe jaytaoko1
[14:04] <AlanBell> ok, hi jaytaoko1, and I will ping DBO when I see him
[14:05] <AlanBell> I suspect fixing this will also fix some issues with the top bar shadow
[14:06] <kenvandine> AlanBell, jaytaoko1 is the master of nux but DBO did the switcher and launcher, so knows quite a bit about compiz and nux
[14:49] <drake1> hello, is it possible to use a "selected" indicator in the unity task-bar i think it is (the panel with tasks that comes with ubuntu)
[14:51] <drake1> i want to have a theme selector to switch in between background images, screensavers etc. and maybe it's already possible through and api of some kind?
[14:52] <drake1> an api*
[14:55] <drake1> furthermore, i'd like some kind of skin so the buttons look more intergrated in the panel
[14:58] <drake1> eventually skip being a panel and become a control widget instead
[15:01] <mhr3> mterry, ping
[15:01] <mterry> mhr3, hello
[15:02] <drake1> like with paint and edit tools to modify the running application object with advanced signaling
[15:02] <mhr3> mterry, hey, we have a couple of old-ish bugs reported for unity which seem to be some dbusmenu issues, could you look at them and close if you think they're fixed?
[15:02] <mhr3> i'll prepare a list
[15:03] <jaytaoko1> AlanBell: hello
[15:03] <mterry> mhr3, OK
[15:03] <AlanBell> hi jaytaoko1
[15:03] <jaytaoko1> AlanBell: I saw the bug report on the zooming issue
[15:03] <AlanBell> jaytaoko1: I have to pop out to collect kids from school, would like to chat later about compiz and nux and zooming the unity launcher and dash
[15:04] <jaytaoko1> AlanBell: no problem, ping me later
[15:10] <hrw> zyga: ping me when you will start g-c-c unity settings
[15:14] <zyga> hrw, will do
[15:25] <mhr3> mterry, 820572, 829680, 831693 <- imo those are old and fixed, interesting are 851954 and 876787
[15:36] <mterry> mhr3, looking (slowly)
[15:38] <mhr3> mterry, take your time, i've been looking at those (and 60 others) for the past 6 hours
[15:58] <Andy80> has been introduced some serious bugs with latest LightDM? Every boot I need to CTRL+ALT+F1 --> login --> sudo start lightdm
[16:05] <AlanBell> hi jaytaoko1, back now :)
[16:06] <jaytaoko1> AlanBell: hello again
[16:06] <jaytaoko1> AlanBell: are you using a plugin in compiz to zoom in/out the desktop?
[16:06] <AlanBell> so, zooming of nux, what are the options?
[16:07] <AlanBell> yes, the enhanced zoom plugin
[16:07] <jaytaoko1> AlanBell: let me try it...
[16:07] <AlanBell> but also stuff like the color filters don't affect the nux layer
[16:09] <drake1> the missing theme selector should probably be coded into unity or compiz and i don't have a clue how to indicate when a theme is selected since the arrows are already used. i better leave it like it is
[16:11] <jaytaoko1> AlanBell: ok I tested and I can confirm
[16:12] <AlanBell> jolly good :)
[16:12] <AlanBell> now, what are the options for making it work?
[16:12] <jaytaoko1> AlanBell: also I don't think we did anything to support the color filter in Nux
[16:12] <AlanBell> the colour filter is a compiz plugin, nothing compiz does affects unity
[16:13] <AlanBell> even stuff like the water plugin that does ripples on the screen etc.
[16:13] <mhr3> jaytaoko1, iirc sam mentioned that plugins shouldn't be affecting unity (like that was design decision)
[16:13] <jaytaoko1> AlanBell: From a rendering point of view I think we can scale the launcher and the panel accordingly
[16:14] <drake1> good luck
[16:14] <jaytaoko1> mhr3: right, that the next thing, we have to get design on this
[16:15] <jaytaoko1> AlanBell: but we would have to get design opinion on what should be done there
[16:15] <AlanBell> great, if the unity layer and global menu could scale along with the desktop that would be great
[16:16] <AlanBell> if compiz could affect nux directly then you could probably get rid of the pseudo shadow thing of the top bar and put in a real shadow
[16:17] <AlanBell> how do we go about getting design opinion, we have plenty of accessibility opinion on the matter already :)
[16:19] <jaytaoko1> AlanBell: There is John Lea in Design
[16:20] <AlanBell> so technically, if the launcher was say twice as wide, those icons are SVG that could scale beautifully in it right?
[16:22] <jaytaoko1> AlanBell: yes, technically that should be achievable
[16:24] <AlanBell> how about the global menu and indicators? would boosting the font size there expand it all?
[16:26] <DBO> AlanBell, technically speaking, unity is rendered outside the transformation applied to compiz
[16:26] <DBO> this was done because it better fit with the way design wanted unity to interact with other parts of compiz
[16:26] <DBO> and since the zoom plugin is not a "default" plugin
[16:27] <DBO> we didn't find much reason to worry about it
[16:27] <DBO> making unity zoom properly with that plugin wouldn't be overly difficult, but currently is not an engineering priority
[16:29] <jaytaoko1> AlanBell: so it isn't plan at the moment.
[16:31] <jaytaoko1> DBO: I guess the same goes for the color filter
[16:31] <DBO> correct
[16:32] <AlanBell> I don't think making unity out of scope of the accessibility plugins is a massive improvement to unity tbh
[16:32] <AlanBell> so, if I were to be pointed in the right direction and made a patch, would it be accepted?
[16:32] <DBO> yes
[16:32] <DBO> certainly
[16:32] <AlanBell> ok, so where do I go digging? nux or unity or compiz?
[16:32] <DBO> again I wasn't trying to say "hey we dont care and screw you its never happening mwahahahaha"
[16:32] <DBO> more like
[16:33] <DBO> "my marching orders dont currently involve these plugins herp derp"
[16:33] <AlanBell> this bug is pretty high up the accessibility team hitlist
[16:33] <DBO> zoom isn't that difficult
[16:34] <DBO> basically we need to be able to pass a transformation matrix to nux
[16:34] <DBO> that it will use when doing the final blits to the screen
[16:34] <DBO> that part is easy
[16:34] <jaytaoko1> DBO: not so sure it is easy though
[16:35] <DBO> why?
[16:35] <AlanBell> ok, so it would do a separate zoom in nux, rather than being swept up in the general scope of compiz
[16:35] <AlanBell> oh, also, needs to be done without breaking the workplace switcher
[16:35] <jaytaoko1> DBO: I mean we have to make sure that it doesn't break anything...
[16:36] <AlanBell> because you don't want the launcher to fly off into the distance when you zoom out of the workspaces
[16:36] <jaytaoko1> DBO: including multimonitor...
[16:36] <DBO> jaytaoko1, yes I agree, there is testing involved
[16:36] <DBO> I just meant technically speaking it wouldn't be that overly complex
[16:36] <jaytaoko1> DBO: right technically, zooming is a non issue...
[16:36] <DBO> AlanBell, correct so it would only do the transforms when the zoom is active
[16:37] <DBO> AlanBell, as for the color filter...
[16:37] <DBO> Amaranth, ^^ that plugin died horribly in your GLES work didn't it?
[16:37] <AlanBell> not massively concerned about the filter, was just an example of something else that doesn't affect unity
[16:38] <AlanBell> unity needs a high contrast theme that works, but it doesn't need to be affected by the compiz filters
[16:39] <jaytaoko1> DBO: I just noticed that you can also zoom while the dash is open... which raises more questions about the proper behaviour to adopt
[16:39] <DBO> the correct behavior is "what is zoom?"
[16:40] <AlanBell> oh yeah, it doesn't reblur the stuff behind it
[16:40] <DBO> after that we are talking about an unsupported behavior
[16:40] <jaytaoko1> DBO: right
[16:40] <DBO> more than likely though
[16:40] <DBO> we will zoom with it
[16:40] <DBO> which will also fix the reblur issue
[16:42] <DBO> alright guys, food time
[16:42] <DBO> AlanBell, tell you what, I'll poke platform about this issue and CC in the email
[16:42] <DBO> and let you make the case direct
[16:42] <DBO> if we can turn this into a "quality" argument
[16:42] <DBO> it will probably make its way onto my radar
[16:43] <AlanBell> great, thanks<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:43] <jaytaoko1> DBO: although there is no plan yet, I think that if this is meant for accessibility reason, then the Zooming should involve using svg icons
[16:43] <DBO> jaytaoko1, its a pure GL zoom
[16:43] <DBO> just changing the camera location really
[16:43] <DBO> well not really, changing the global tranformation matrix
[16:43] <DBO> but you get the idea
[16:43] <jaytaoko1> DBO: right, this is compiz currently does...
[16:44] <DBO> yeah we're not going to re-invent that this cycle :)
[16:44] <AlanBell> the alt-tab switcher might be impacted in testing too. It is nice and chunky already, but one way or another might be affected
[16:44] <DBO> AlanBell, I think alt-tab should not zoom if possible, but again, I'll make an email about this today
[16:44] <DBO> propose a solution
[16:44] <DBO> and see if it cant be added into thsi cycles work
[16:45] <AlanBell> awesome, thanks
[16:45] <AlanBell> can you copy TheMuso and Pendulum too please
[16:45] <DBO> emails?
[16:46] <AlanBell><EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:46] <DBO> awesome
[16:46] <DBO> food time, back later
[16:58] <Amaranth> DBO: colorfilter isn't currently ported but it could be
[16:58] <Amaranth> All the infrastructure is there now
[17:04] <DBO> Amaranth, and how would we make nux use it?
[17:26] <apinheiro> lamalex, I updated those branches
[17:26] <apinheiro> do I need to change the status to resubmit?
[17:28] <apw> can anyone tell me the expected behaviour when one clicks (x) on one window of a multi-window application
[17:28]  * apw is seeing that window close and the others iconify unexpectedly
[17:29] <apw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/888091
[19:58] <thumper> morning