[00:00] <rbelem> Riddell, i need some help with startkde for plasma-mobile
[00:00] <shadeslayer> afaik you filed it :P
[00:00] <Riddell> how clever of me
[00:00] <shadeslayer> bug 597254
[00:01] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I can't promote stuff.  You'll need to talk to Riddell about libqapt1.
[00:01] <rbelem> Riddell, i'm changing it a little bit and i think i will place it in kubuntu-mobile-default-settings
[00:02] <shadeslayer> kdesupport for neon done! \o/
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Riddell took care of it, it's cool
[00:02] <ScottK> OK.
[00:02]  * ScottK has been away all day.
[00:02] <Riddell> rbelem: you'll need an entry in /usr/share/xsessions I guess
[00:03] <rbelem> Riddell, yep! can i add a kubuntu-mobile.desktop in kubuntu-mobile-default-settings?
[00:05] <Riddell> sure
[00:05] <rbelem> Riddell, or is it better to make these changes and add to kdebase-workspace pkg?
[00:06] <Riddell> you can even be ahead of upstream and call it Name=Plasma Mobile which desktop won't have the equivalent s/KDE/Plasma/ change until 4.6
[00:06] <Riddell> it should go upstream too though somehow
[00:08] <rbelem> cool :-)
[00:17] <JontheEchidna> wow, armel is set to beat everybody else (except sparc which I didn't retry) https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-debug-installer/10.10ubuntu4
[00:32] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[00:32] <_Groo_> anyone alive?
[00:32] <_Groo_> could anyone test dolphin search for me? i believe nepomuk is broken for lucid kde 4.5
[01:15] <CIA-61> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (changelog control) Add a build-depend on libutempter-dev for kpty functionality
[03:34] <nhandler> Riddell: It has been disabled for a while. I wasn't around for that decision. From discussion, it sounds like it was primarily due to the technical limitations of the host the bot ran on
[07:22] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: muon lost ability to authenticate :O
[07:23] <shadeslayer> same goes for kpk as well :/
[07:32] <apachelogger> oh dear
[07:32] <apachelogger> qtwebkit doesnt do webm? :O
[07:33] <oxymoron> When I unrar archives in Ark/Dolphin KDE freeze sometimes, is that KDE or Kubuntu specific?
[07:33] <apachelogger> possibly unrar specific?
[07:33] <apachelogger> eating all ramz and cpuz makes your system freez0r
[07:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do you also get an independent "X" window when flash is active in rekonq?
[07:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: with konqueror as well
[07:34]  * apachelogger hates flash
[07:34] <shadeslayer> when webkit is selected
[07:35]  * apachelogger also hates that he cannot watch flipping youtube in html5 thanks to qtwebkit not having webm support
[07:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: necessary evil which is going to be dropped
[07:35] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Alright, but possible to replace unrar with something else that works better? :)
[07:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: flash is never ever going to go away
[07:35] <shadeslayer> at some point in the far future :P
[07:35] <apachelogger> not within the next 5 to 10 years anyway
[07:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah ^_^
[07:35] <shadeslayer> after 5-10 it shall be redundant
 and <marquee> havent even gone away
[07:35] <oxymoron> I think Flash will disappear when more and more people reject it and see potential in HTML5 and future techniques :)
[07:35] <apachelogger> oxymoron: I did not say it was a failure :P
[07:36] <shadeslayer> i hate uploading kdesupport :/
[07:36] <oxymoron> apachelogger: It is epic failure if unrar use all my RAM and CPU. ANd then I have heavy cavalary with DUal Core Intel E6400 and 4 GB RAM.
[07:36] <maco> oxymoron: use "nice"?
[07:36] <shadeslayer> hehe
[07:36] <apachelogger> well, maybe you are just being bottlenecked?
[07:37] <apachelogger> which would make the whole thing a hardware fail
[07:37] <shadeslayer> yep ^
[07:37] <oxymoron> apachelogger: No, all my hardware components are really good. The problem is unrar, Ark, file transfer protocol or Dolphin IMO.
[07:37] <oxymoron> maco: Where?
[07:37] <apachelogger> that has nothing to do with good or bad, but with bus limitations :P
[07:38] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: man nice
[07:38] <maco> oxymoron: run the unrar command with nice
[07:38] <maco> nice -15 unrar foo.rar
[07:38] <apachelogger> oxymoron: it would be good to know what component causes a headache to the CPU or RAM
[07:38] <oxymoron> maco: Aha I didnt know nice was something :P Whats so good about it?
[07:38] <maco> it'll be pretty nice and yield cpu to other processes
[07:38] <apachelogger> i.e. observe ksysguard
[07:38] <maco> oxymoron: if you make a process nice, it yields cpu time instead of killing your system
[07:39] <maco> oxymoron: confusingly, nice -n15 and nice -15  BOTH mean positive 15, which is pretty nice
[07:39] <maco> (max is 19, i think?)
[07:39] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Well I can check right away if I can see any process being heavy or components taking "cream"
[07:39] <shadeslayer> maco: yep
[07:39] <shadeslayer> 19 will kill unrar :P
[07:39] <maco> meanwhile negative niceness is -n-15 or --15, which makes it a piggy
[07:39] <oxymoron> maco: But then it takes longer to extract? :D
[07:39] <maco> yes
[07:39] <oxymoron> maco: Well its really slow as it is already.
[07:40] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: how big is the .rar ?
[07:40] <oxymoron> Why cannot anyone just make some unrar whos actually work, no matter if its closed source or not? :S
[07:40]  * shadeslayer wishes lp had .xz support
[07:40] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: 4 GB usually.
[07:40] <shadeslayer> ouch
[07:40] <maco> wait the rar is the same size as your mem?
[07:40] <maco> so it literally has to use all your ram in order to unrar...
[07:41] <maco> that seems problemati
[07:41] <maco> *problematic
[07:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: complain in the bug report
[07:41] <oxymoron> maco: WHat?! :D Does the size of rar archive has todo with RAM size, hahahahahaha :D
[07:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you should also keep in mind that xz'ing will eat your system though ^^
[07:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: there is a bug report for this? 0_o
[07:41] <shadeslayer> well.. i dont mind...
[07:41] <oxymoron> maco: it should use as much RAM as it allowed todo without freeze the freaking system.
[07:42] <oxymoron> Cannot Ark limit this?
[07:42] <shadeslayer> but sure as hell makes kdesupport shrink from 150 MB to 85 MB
[07:42] <oxymoron> But then when moving files in Dolphin, my system is going slow as well.
[07:42]  * apachelogger notes that the kernel should limit this anyhow
[07:42] <oxymoron> I think the problem is File transfers through DOlphin.
[07:42] <shadeslayer> bug 553668 ?
[07:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[07:43] <apachelogger> well yes, that too
[07:43] <oxymoron> But then it doesnt work good trhough terminal either :D
[07:43] <apachelogger> but there is a soyuz bug
[07:43] <maco> oxymoron: if its trying to store ALL of the data from the rar *in memory* it has plenty to do with it!
[07:43] <apachelogger> because the new source format actually supports xz already
[07:43] <apachelogger> it is just soyuz that does not
[07:43] <apachelogger> in fact it took soyuz years to grow bz2 support ^^
[07:43] <oxymoron> maco: Well why does it do that then, thats just hilarious :D
[07:43]  * apachelogger really wonders what is the big deal of adding more format support
[07:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw kdesupport import fails, new svn plugin might not be released for 4 weeks..
[07:44] <shadeslayer> ( its fixed in trunk )
[07:44] <apachelogger> Oo
[07:45] <apachelogger> does that thing work in any use case?
[07:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it does for kdelibs :D
[07:45] <apachelogger> well
[07:45] <apachelogger> it failed for that too, did it not?
[07:45] <shadeslayer> yep :P
[07:45] <shadeslayer> which reminds me.. import kdebase
[07:45] <oxymoron> CPU went unstable as hell when unrar is working, sometimes both cores work 100%, and both are 3.0 GHz, wtf?! RAM wasnt affected at all almost
[07:46] <shadeslayer> should i do that as a whole? or split it up
[07:46] <apachelogger> oxymoron: caused by unrar itself?
[07:46] <apachelogger> that is why people should use the lzma algorithm :P
[07:46] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Yes I guess so ... in process it said zoombie on CPU using percentage xD
[07:46] <apachelogger> way cheaper at decompression
[07:47] <oxymoron> apachelogger: First it went oup too 20 %, then zoombie :D
[07:47] <apachelogger> ufff
[07:47] <apachelogger> oxymoron: how large is that rar file?
[07:47] <apachelogger> !find unrar
[07:47] <oxymoron> apachelogger: This one is around 4.4 GB :P
[07:47] <apachelogger> oxymoron: do you use the free or regular unrar version?
[07:47] <apachelogger> hm
[07:48] <apachelogger> honest to darts vader....
[07:48] <oxymoron> apachelogger: regular one I think, but tried free one as well, none is good.
[07:48] <apachelogger> at 4.4 GB I completely understand that your system chokes
[07:48] <apachelogger> oxymoron: that is because the algorithm behind it is utter crap
[07:48] <oxymoron> In WIndows I could do unpacking many 4.4 GB archives without any problem.
[07:48] <oxymoron> at the same time
[07:48] <apachelogger> well
[07:49] <apachelogger> I think the kernel scheduler is messing up
[07:49] <apachelogger> it should not allocate that much CPU time to unrar that the system freezes
[07:49] <apachelogger> very bad scheduling IMHO
[07:49] <oxymoron> I hope someone will fix that someday then, this have been problematic for long time since I started using Linux/Kubuntu.
[07:49] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Agree
[07:49]  * maco wonders who uses rar to start with
[07:50] <oxymoron> maco: Everyone packing those freaking movies and so on, for the web ...
[07:50] <apachelogger> maco: file shar0rz
[07:50] <oxymoron> maco: I would use other archives if people didnt use rar :D
[07:50] <maco> apachelogger: yeah i think pirated software is the only thing ive ever seen rar'd
[07:51] <apachelogger> file shar0rz that do not get that compressing a movie will not give much gain ;)
[07:51] <oxymoron> gzip, tar or something like that would work better :)
[07:51] <apachelogger> file shar0rz that do not get that compressing flipping ISO images will not give much gain ;)
[07:51] <apachelogger> silly file shar0rz
[07:51] <oxymoron> I love KTorrent btw, best application ever :)
[07:52] <oxymoron> and Amarok :D
[07:52] <apachelogger> it is best when they distribute split rar files via bittorrent
[07:52] <apachelogger> because you know
[07:52] <apachelogger> torrent downloads each file individually
[07:52] <oxymoron> yeah :P
[07:52] <apachelogger> so if you make loads of small files
[07:52] <apachelogger> it is going to be faster
[07:52] <apachelogger> ;)
[07:52] <oxymoron> WHy cannot gzip or tar split files like that?
[07:52] <apachelogger> ...file shar0rz...
[07:52] <apachelogger> oxymoron: it can
[07:53] <apachelogger> just chop them up :P
[07:53] <oxymoron> apachelogger: But then you cannot extract them all at once? :P
[07:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: should i split kdebase into workspace, apps and runtime? or do i import them as a whole?
[07:53] <apachelogger> just put them back together :P
[07:53] <oxymoron> Btw, does anyone know if KSnapshot will be developed fruthermore and get more nice features like Gnomes?
[07:53] <apachelogger> I very much doubt rar is doing anything else (maybe add a CRC to each chunk, which of course makes the chunks grow...)
[07:54] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Hehe :P I hate that CRC, it make unraring fails many times and force me to use -kb option in terminal.
[07:54] <apachelogger> Pp
[07:54] <apachelogger> Oo
[07:54] <apachelogger> eh
[07:55] <apachelogger> CRC is there for a reason?
[07:55] <oxymoron> But now I am using control in KTorrent which make KTorrent redownload broken files :D
[07:55] <oxymoron> Yeah but CRC failures moslty doesnt affect movie file :P
[07:55] <apachelogger> they do
[07:55] <apachelogger> they just mostly do not do in a noticable manner
[07:55] <apachelogger> also CRC corruption could also occur if someone tempered with the bitstream I suppose
[07:56] <shadeslayer> hmm...
[07:56] <apachelogger> like inject malicious code
[07:56]  * shadeslayer goes with all in one
[07:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: really your decision
[07:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: all in one makes most sense IMHO
[07:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i see no point in splitting it up
[07:56] <apachelogger> right
[07:57] <oxymoron> apachelogger: I guess I shouldnt complain, after all I havent bought movies at all in my whole life :D
[07:57] <apachelogger> lol
[07:57] <oxymoron> apachelogger: My dad has bought some DVDs though. And I went to cinemas someitmes, if I know the movie is good :D
[07:57] <apachelogger> as long as you buy software :P
[07:58] <oxymoron> Uhm ... :D
[07:59] <apachelogger> this is scareful
[07:59] <apachelogger> Nightrose: option parsing and that sort of stuff is going to be messy
[07:59] <oxymoron> I am thinking of pay for SPotify, but still to expensive. Its not regarding the money, them I have too much of. The problem is the worthyness of the service and I wont pay 99 SEK per month (4.99£ I think)
[07:59]  * apachelogger ponders writing his own option parser class
[08:00] <oxymoron> I mostly become more willingly when they released native Spotify client on Linux.
[08:00] <apachelogger> spotify is written in Qt is it not?
[08:00] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Now it is, but not before I think.
[08:00] <apachelogger> ...going premium and using the linux client directly supports Qt development...
[08:01] <oxymoron> If it was like 39 or 49 SEK I would pay without doubt. There is one option unlimited version, but then I miss some features like play in my smartphone xD
[08:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~neon/kdebase/trunk
[08:03] <oxymoron> In the end theres about how worthy products and services is, and if the money is overcoming what you actually get :P I wont pay more than neccessary even if I can, that would hurt my feelings and going against how much I hate capitalism and materliasm.
[08:04] <oxymoron> SO thats one reason I prefer Linux before Windows, its bttter and I can even get it for free :)
[08:04] <oxymoron> Then I dont have to support greedy people which make me happy :D
[08:05] <shadeslayer> hehe
[08:05] <CIA-61> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (changelog control) do not conflict ubuntu-sso-client
[08:05] <shadeslayer> i just use it because i can show off cool desktop effects and i dont have to worry about viruses
[08:05] <CIA-61> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/AuthHandler.cpp warning--
[08:06] <shadeslayer> and the fact that i can actually fix something on my own
[08:06] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: :D Its nice not have to worry about antivirus which make the computer itself blowup (Read Windows)
[08:06] <shadeslayer> hehe
[08:07] <apachelogger> last I checked my machine was a supreme virus pool
[08:07] <oxymoron> I hate those freaking licenses everywhere which not work, they control my computer and updates all the time and bugger me.
[08:07] <oxymoron> Norton itself is a freaking virus and integrate and importviruses through the core because its directinteract with the oS :D
[08:08] <CIA-61> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/AccessToken.cpp warning++--
[08:08] <oxymoron> Its better rely on the OS protection itself then use those freaking software antivurses :D
[08:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: quick question, if someone were to implement a piece of software that used qt to access a webcam, will it work the same on windows/linux/mac ?
[08:08] <oxymoron> You dont get upset if you dont know about it :D
[08:08] <apachelogger> that is like arguing against condoms really
[08:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[08:09] <apachelogger> I mean
[08:09] <apachelogger> the software will work (depending on the code  of course)
[08:09] <apachelogger> but the webcam access will not
[08:09] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Haha :D Well condoms mostly not work anyway ... xD
[08:09] <shadeslayer> thats my question
[08:09] <shadeslayer> the part about webcam access
[08:09] <apachelogger> because there is no cross-platform library to access/manage/use/webcams
[08:10] <shadeslayer> thought so :(
[08:10] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Guess why we have so many mongolids in the world? :D
[08:10] <apachelogger> if that one wrote a library for that though
[08:10] <apachelogger> ...
[08:10]  * oxymoron just want to say he would love see webcams implemented. The more options you have, the more free you feel, and isnt KDE about freedom :D
[08:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: on second thought ... one could use libvlc
[08:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: my thoughts exactly
[08:11] <shadeslayer> :P
[08:11] <apachelogger> that raises issue of its own though
[08:11] <oxymoron> Even if you dont use a specific option it feels nice to know you can make a decision :)
[08:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: such as?
[08:11] <apachelogger> oxymoron: webcams are supported?
[08:12] <shadeslayer> whee... 1 MB remaining
[08:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: restribution
[08:12] <apachelogger> or rather rebuilding and redistribution
[08:12] <shadeslayer> whut?!
[08:12] <shadeslayer> hmm
[08:12] <apachelogger> or on linux distribution in general
[08:12] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Uhm depends in what meaning weyre talking about. DVcams doesnt work through Firewire cmopletly and then no IM Client support webcams totally.
[08:12] <shadeslayer> you mean itll need building on every platform to check if it works
[08:12] <apachelogger> also I dunno what license libvlc is
[08:13] <apachelogger> oxymoron: kopete supports webcams
[08:13] <oxymoron> apachelogger: But sure, Linux core found them and so on.
[08:13] <apachelogger> and if you buy sensible hardware it will work with Linux
[08:13] <valorie> oxymoron: condoms DO work
[08:13] <valorie> if you use them
[08:13] <oxymoron> apachelogger: It doesnt work with my DVCAM which is working like a webcam through USB and Firefire. Cannot make it work in Kopete, Skype or anything.
[08:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, I mean you need to distribute a 3rd party library along your own app
[08:13] <valorie> and you are a bit crazed if you don't
[08:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: on mac and windows that is
[08:14] <oxymoron> valorie: Rather if you use them correctly, which most people doesnt do xD
[08:14] <shadeslayer> hmm
[08:14] <valorie> how hard is it (har har) to use them correctly?
[08:14] <oxymoron> valorie: I dont mind having a baby with my girl :D
[08:14] <valorie> seriously
[08:15] <valorie> as long as your girl feels the same
[08:15] <oxymoron> valorie: Yes I am serious ;) And ask people why it is so freaking hard to not overproduce human beings.
[08:15] <valorie> well, biology urges us to make babies
[08:15] <valorie> that's why it's hard not to
[08:15] <apachelogger> like rabbits we are children of mother nature
[08:16] <oxymoron> valorie: Yeah she feels the same. Though its not optimal having a baby right now, though I am studying master of engineer and well weyre both quite young :P
[08:16] <valorie> for sure
[08:16] <apachelogger> and mother nature has made us flipping horny
[08:16] <apachelogger> 24/7
[08:16] <maco> valorie: speak for yourself :P
[08:16] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Hahaha :D
[08:16] <valorie> maco: I done had my babies
[08:16] <valorie> :-)
[08:17] <maco> rather offtopic for this channel isnt it?
[08:17] <apachelogger> maco: you do not like the making?
[08:17]  * apachelogger thought everyone liked the making part ^^
[08:17]  * maco is an innocent catholic-school girl
[08:17] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: your doing a MS? :D
[08:17] <oxymoron> But nature doesnt force us to make more babies :P THen most parents treat their babies like its some kind of rightful right to have one evren if you dont take care of it.
[08:17]  * apachelogger sees now
[08:17] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: MS?
[08:17] <valorie> I didn't want to let the "condoms don't work" go by.....
[08:17] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: master of sciences
[08:17] <shadeslayer> not the other one :P
[08:18] <maco> apachelogger: also, not everyone likes the making, in all seriousness.   http://asexuality.org
[08:18] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Not sure what that is in Sweidsh terms, but I think so :P
[08:18] <apachelogger> maco: point taken
[08:18] <apachelogger> everyone but asexual people like the making
[08:18] <valorie> biology acts on all of us, regardless of our feelings
[08:18] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: which branch?
[08:19] <valorie> sneaky nature!
[08:19] <oxymoron> apachelogger: I think most people like the pleasure no matter if its making or not :D
[08:19] <shadeslayer> like whats your specialization
[08:19] <apachelogger> oxymoron: did you just compare me with a monkey? :O
[08:19] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Design and products development :) But studies yet and only 2/3 thrid year, so mostly theory.
[08:19] <shadeslayer> kdesupport uploaded \o/ https://edge.launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa/+builds?build_state=pending
[08:20] <oxymoron> apachelogger: What? :S
[08:20] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: ah ...
[08:20] <shadeslayer> itll take 3 flippin hours to build :/
[08:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what does your dpkg -L ubuntuone-kde spit out?
[08:20] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: But as a master of engineer it doesnt really matter hwat brahcn/area you take exam in, you can do almost whatever you like anyway.
[08:21] <shadeslayer> aha
[08:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i dont have that package
[08:21] <shadeslayer> and when i try to install :  ubuntuone-kde : Depends: libubuntuone-qt-api0 (= 0.0.0~alpha1+7-0ubuntu0~maverick0~ppa1) but it is not going to be installed
[08:21] <apachelogger> ah right
[08:21] <shadeslayer> and then  libubuntuone-qt-api0 : Depends: ubuntuone-client but it is not going to be installed
[08:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that explains why your icon is broken :P
[08:22] <shadeslayer> otoh.. how did that meta package get removed ^_^
[08:22] <apachelogger> it is not a meta package
[08:22] <shadeslayer> it has stuff? ok.. :P
[08:22] <apachelogger> it did get removed because of bogus package relation in ubuntu-sso-qt
[08:22] <apachelogger> which I hope to have fixed just a couple of minutes ago
[08:22] <apachelogger> not uploaded though
[08:23] <shadeslayer> ok
[08:23] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: I am not sure, but I would love designing boats in Carribean Sea if possible :D Or else I want to develop a new revolutionary transporting vehicle to replace cars and oil (Hopefully driven by air/water/garbage) and/or new battery technology :P But I have a lot more things I think I am able todo :P I am tired of this lazy and slow going development in the world.
[08:24] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: yeah me too :P
[08:24] <shadeslayer> but id rather do something in the computer networks industry
[08:24] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Companies just hold technology back with their freaking patent and licenses to earn more money in their greedy world :P
[08:24] <shadeslayer> thats why i have Electronics and Comm. Engineering in my undergraduate course  :)
[08:25] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: hehe
[08:25] <valorie> oxymoron, I want the car from Back To The Future 2
[08:25] <valorie> the one that flies on garbage-fuel
[08:25]  * apachelogger will become astronaut and run off to vulcan first chance he gets
[08:26] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: I am uncertain if I want to work in the IT bransch, mostly boring works, deadlines, projects with incompetent people and so on :P
[08:26] <shadeslayer> valorie: lol
[08:26] <oxymoron> valorie: Haha yeah, wonder if possible to make one of those. I will bring that Delorian back to life :D
[08:26] <valorie> the Delorian was classy
[08:26] <apachelogger> oxymoron: people are never incompetent, there potential has merely not been unleashed
[08:26] <oxymoron> valorie: Love that hovering they do in the end of the Back to the future two :D
[08:26] <valorie> but .....Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads
[08:27] <valorie> that's the ticket
[08:27] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Well most people show the incompent side and cannot release there potential because of the limitated world of greedyness :D
[08:27] <oxymoron> valorie: Yes, feel like Star Wars with air "roads"? :D
[08:27] <apachelogger> nope, the problem is that they get not encouraged
[08:28] <valorie> would love to stop paving over the freaking planet
[08:28] <oxymoron> valorie: I think its realistic, not impossible.
[08:28] <apachelogger> which is exaclty what you are contributing to right now
[08:28] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Yes, limited which make most people go lazy and comfortable.
[08:28] <valorie> right, there would have to be lots of automatic pilot/air control
[08:28] <valorie> also, a lot more of us should be riding bikes, etc.
[08:29] <valorie> that never happens around here, because it's so unsafe
[08:29] <apachelogger> how is riding a bike unsafe?
[08:29] <apachelogger> do you have hunters shooting at cyclists? ^^
[08:29] <valorie> no safe edges to the roads
[08:29] <oxymoron> apachelogger: Well I cannot avoid saying the truth.  There is potential, but incompetence is because of the lazyness and manipulation from the world market and people in higher hierachys.
[08:33] <apachelogger> dont blame it on others if you are not doing anything about it
[08:33] <oxymoron> apachelogger: I have seen my brother for instance which is/was sharp as hell. THen he went out on the streets and got lazy and its quite sad :(
[08:34] <oxymoron> apachelogger: I cannot change peoples mind, they have todo it themselves. Only thing I can do is to take care and work myself up, thats how I can contribute.
[08:34] <apachelogger> that is a very selfish attitude I might say
[08:35] <oxymoron> On my summerjob which I recently end this summer, I am one of the few percentage (Like 3% maybe) who work efficient on the warehouse.
[08:35] <oxymoron> apachelogger: I am done being dragged down by others, I cannot force people to make their move. I can only show the way.
[08:36] <apachelogger> how are you showing the way by just doing your thing?
[08:36] <oxymoron> apachelogger: I have been depressed several times in my life because of other people abandon, being lazy, doesnt do anything and just being dumb.
[08:37] <oxymoron> apachelogger: By make other people look up to me and get inspirated ;)
[08:37] <oxymoron> But then I am talk to people as well and help :)
[08:38] <oxymoron> Its not that I ignore everything and everyone :P
[08:38] <CIA-61> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* README add README
[08:38] <CIA-61> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* AUTHORS add AUTHORS
[08:39] <oxymoron> ANyway, I got to go and eat some breakfast :P Fun to talk to ya guys, cya later aligator :P
[08:40] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: me too :P
[08:43] <CIA-61> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* INSTALL add INSTALL
[08:45] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/478267/
[08:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: ubuntu-sso is done for the summer
[08:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: your GSoC project completed ?
[08:46] <apachelogger> only the auth part
[08:46] <shadeslayer> and did you get all your $CASH ? :P
[08:46] <apachelogger> no
[08:46] <apachelogger> final eval is up
[08:46] <shadeslayer> ah :)
[08:46] <shadeslayer> whose your mentor?
[08:46] <apachelogger> jr
[08:46] <shadeslayer> oic
[08:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2010/Ideas << will that be valid for next year?
[08:48] <CIA-61> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* (NOTES.oauth TODO) remove oauth notes from TODO, update todo
[08:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: valid in what sense?
[08:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: like suppose i want to do one of the projects next year, so are all of those projects taken up or some are left
[08:50] <apachelogger> most of them are not being done as part of GSOC
[08:50] <apachelogger> that does not mean they will still be up next year
[08:50] <shadeslayer> yes, the ones that have not been done
[08:51] <shadeslayer> will those be still valid for GSoC ?
[08:51] <CIA-61> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* AUTHORS AUTHORS++
[08:51] <CIA-61> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* INSTALL INSTALL++
[08:52] <CIA-61> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* (NOTES.dolphin README) dolphin.txt becomes NOTES.dolphin
[08:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sure
[08:53] <apachelogger> hm
[08:55] <CIA-61> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/share/ContactSelector.cpp also allow contact groups
[08:58] <CIA-61> [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* README add dependencies
[08:59] <CIA-61> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* README add deps
[09:00] <shadeslayer> libsrtp still needs to be moved to main :(
[09:35] <CIA-61> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* src/kcmodule/ (FolderModule.h WebModule.h) q_object macros
[10:38] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: around?
[10:43] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: can you change the text at http://imagebin.ca/view/y9N-1vl0.html to : http://paste.ubuntu.com/478299/
[10:43] <shadeslayer> ( thats the patch ;) )
[10:57] <Mamarok> hm, can I set this to invalid? Isn't the PPA maintainer supposed to fix his package instead? -> bug 618082
[10:57] <Mamarok> it should not install in the same location IMO
[11:00] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: does OOo work for you>?
[11:01] <yofel> well, it should at least conflict with amarok-utils if that's the case, and since the package is from a PPA the bug is 'Invalid' right.
[11:01] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: why do you ask? I don't use it daily so I didn't try.
[11:02] <yofel> shadeslayer: well, it's still held back for me, but as it doesn't like my dark theme I've only used koffice since a while ago
[11:03] <yofel> it does *open* at least, didn't test more ^^
[11:05] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: I have 3.2.0 here, works like a charm
[11:06]  * Mamarok considers switching to KOffice soon though
[11:07] <Mamarok> I only stay for compatibility reasons with OOo so far, I need to edit and save Excel files often
[11:07] <Mamarok> and that works for sure, not sure about Koffice
[11:13] <shadeslayer> hmm
[11:13] <shadeslayer> because.. it doesnt work on maverick
[11:14] <shadeslayer> it starts but i cant open files
[11:17] <shadeslayer> yofel: right now only kdelibs5-data is held back for me
[11:20] <yofel> hm, I can open .doc and .odt fine in writer
[11:20] <yofel> penoffice.org-writer:
[11:20] <yofel>   Installed: 1:3.2.1~rc2-2ubuntu1
[11:20] <yofel>   Candidate: 1:3.2.1-5ubuntu1
[11:21] <shadeslayer> penoffice?
[11:21] <shadeslayer> oh missing a o
[11:21] <yofel> c&p error :/
[11:22] <shadeslayer> amazing... i do not have that package
[11:22] <shadeslayer> guess that explains alot
[11:22] <shadeslayer> nor do i have openoffice.org-base :P
[11:23] <yofel> ^^
[11:23] <shadeslayer> freaky
[11:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: around?
[11:32] <shadeslayer> what are the deps of the neon ppa
[11:32] <apachelogger> hai!
[11:32] <apachelogger> I have no idea what you mean
[11:32] <shadeslayer> the neon ppa
[11:32] <shadeslayer> https://edge.launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa/+packages
[11:32]  * apachelogger really doesnt get how people can use IDEs
[11:33] <shadeslayer> theres a button : Edit ppa deps
[11:33] <shadeslayer> ( i cant find it since im not a admin in neon )
[11:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so?
[11:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what are those deps
[11:33] <apachelogger> additional repos that will be added to the sources.list of that PPA
[11:34] <shadeslayer> like any extra ppa's added?
[11:34] <apachelogger> aye
[11:34] <shadeslayer> yep
[11:34] <shadeslayer> which ones
[11:34] <apachelogger> are you sure it is a good idea to have grantlee from the branch?
[11:34] <shadeslayer> yofel: ^
[11:35] <yofel> apachelogger: not sure, I didn't set it to daily yet, should I use a snapshot of the 1.0 branch instead?
[11:36] <apachelogger> I think you should use the thing in the repo ^^
[11:36] <yofel> well, that's build against the wrong qt version
[11:36] <apachelogger> or on-demand-backport
[11:36] <apachelogger> oh
[11:36] <apachelogger> good point
[11:36] <apachelogger> yofel: in that case I would still build from a stable version/branch
[11:37] <yofel> ok, an idea how I can get such a branch imported on LP?
[11:37] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[11:37]  * yofel goes searching
[11:37] <shadeslayer> yofel: ask jelmer :P
[11:37] <apachelogger> I am glad if I do not need to touch the lunchpad :P
[11:37] <yofel> :D
[11:58] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://paste.ubuntu.com/478323/
[11:58] <apachelogger> getting somewhere here
[11:59] <Nightrose> apachelogger: \o/
[12:40] <apachelogger> hm
[12:41] <apachelogger> p caller.parent.version.to_s
[12:41] <apachelogger> something about this is fishy
[12:41] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I think I overengineered \o/
[12:41] <Nightrose> yay
[12:41] <Nightrose> :P
[12:43]  * apachelogger thinks that most of this junk is coming from limitations of the stock optparser of ruby :S
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: that text is inaccurate. The most recent version may not always be the most appropriate
[13:38] <JontheEchidna> for example, the most recent version could cause dependency issues, so apt elects to keep the current version
[13:54] <Riddell> gosh, I just got a Kubuntu help request e-mail from Matt Smith
[13:57] <nigelb> Riddell: omg! Dr. Who? o.O
[13:58] <Riddell> I expect so, very uncommon name that, hardly likely someone else would have the same name
[13:59] <nigelb> wow wow wow
[13:59] <nigelb> but there is http://twitter.com/mattstech though
[14:37] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: oic
[15:36] <shadeslayer> anyone running trunk KDE?
[15:47] <Tm_T> me, I, this guy right here
[15:48] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: hehe
[15:48] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: ok ill contact you in a few mins :D
[15:48] <Tm_T> roger
[15:58] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: patch http://pastebin.com/DDi5PwDm
[15:58] <shadeslayer> after building change values of folder view in its config file
[15:58] <shadeslayer> and watch for changes :D
[16:02] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: I don't use folderview, what that should do?
[16:03] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: i cant find the config file myself :P
[16:03] <shadeslayer> lemme grep .kde
[16:07] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: .kde4/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc
[16:07] <Tm_T> yes?
[16:08] <shadeslayer> change config values for m_customLabel
[16:08] <shadeslayer> or pastebin me that file
[16:10] <Tm_T> sorry, but I don't fully understand what you're after (:
[16:11] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Tasks#Plasmoids
[16:11] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: please pastebin that file :)
[16:11] <shadeslayer> youll need to add folder view first of course
[16:11] <Tm_T> after or before applying the patch? (:)
[16:12] <shadeslayer> apply patch > build and install > add folder view > pastebin file :P
[16:14] <apachelogger> ulysses, shadeslayer: ubuntuone-kde should now be installable again
[16:14] <shadeslayer> whee
[16:14] <ulysses> \o/
[16:14]  * ulysses have to go home to test
[16:14] <Tm_T> apachelogger: in Lucid?
[16:14] <apachelogger> no
[16:14] <Tm_T> bah
[16:15]  * shadeslayer installs
[16:15] <ulysses> real men use development release only^^
[16:15] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:15] <Tm_T> I'm not the only user here
[16:16] <apachelogger> ubuntuone-share requires an akonadi view that is only available in 4.5
[16:17] <apachelogger> + one would need an ever patched syncd anyway
[16:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: installs, but i still dont have icon
[16:17] <apachelogger> blame kpc or dolphin
[16:18] <shadeslayer> kpc?
[16:18] <apachelogger> kpixmapcache
[16:19] <apachelogger> meh
[16:19] <apachelogger> the design of this new release script of mine is just awesome, except for option parsing stuff
[16:20] <apachelogger> that just does not go well with the dynamics
[16:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lol : http://imagebin.ca/view/v5QTFrB.html
[16:20] <apachelogger> there
[16:20] <apachelogger> not my fault
[16:21] <shadeslayer> hah
[16:21] <shadeslayer> clicking on it makes the ? icon appear
[16:21] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: whut happened?
[16:21] <apachelogger> pfff
[16:22] <apachelogger> what elese is there?
[16:22]  * apachelogger dances with markey
[16:24] <shadeslayer> lets see if it syncs :)
[16:25] <shadeslayer> whee
[16:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kongrats, your app works :)
[16:25] <shadeslayer> except for the icon bit
[16:26] <shadeslayer> would be nice to have KDE icons tho
[16:39] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: uno momento
[16:40] <shadeslayer> ok :)
[16:41] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: http://www.tm-travolta.net/traces/plasma-desktop-20100815-183835.kcrash
[16:41] <shadeslayer> ouch
[16:44] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: you changed the values and it crashed? :
[16:45] <shadeslayer> #8  0x02ba4c27 in FolderView::configChanged (this=0x8689c60) at /home/kde4/src/KDE/kdebase/apps/plasma/applets/folderview/folderview.cpp:444 << hmm
[16:46] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: I applied the patch and started with no ~/.kde
[16:46] <shadeslayer> and it crashed on start up?
[16:48] <Tm_T> yes
[16:48] <shadeslayer> maybe it needs a condition to check if the config is actually there or not
[16:50] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: does plasma come back up?
[16:51] <Tm_T> no
[16:51] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:51] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: sorry i broke your plasma
[16:51] <Tm_T> no you didn't, I simply reverted the patch
[16:52] <shadeslayer> well thats another option ^_^
[17:29] <apachelogger> what patch?
[17:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^^
[17:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: plasma JJ patch : http://pastebin.com/DDi5PwDm
[17:30] <shadeslayer> which causes http://www.tm-travolta.net/traces/plasma-desktop-20100815-183835.kcrash
[17:30] <shadeslayer> and im yet to figure out how to fix it :P
[17:31] <apachelogger> what is uiDisplay?
[17:31] <shadeslayer>     Ui::folderviewDisplayConfig uiDisplay;
[17:31] <apachelogger> you probably access something that is not there (config ui elements for example)
[17:31] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:32] <shadeslayer> i do think so
[17:32] <shadeslayer>     const QString label = uiDisplay.labelEdit->text();
[17:32] <apachelogger> well that is defenitely where the crash happens ^^, so something is fishy about that labelEdit
[17:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: same thing works in another function, but that does not validate my pov :P
[17:33] <apachelogger> it actually only supports my theory :P
[17:34] <shadeslayer> yeah : http://pastebin.com/a48T18Qp << the whole file
[17:34] <shadeslayer> line 805
[17:35] <shadeslayer> means there should be something before that line to import my uiDisplay object
[17:35] <apachelogger> uiDisplay is a designer ui file
[17:36] <shadeslayer> yes
[17:36] <apachelogger> that needs setupUi called or the stuff breaks
[17:36] <shadeslayer> aha
[17:36] <apachelogger> which is of course not an option in your function
[17:36] <apachelogger> ...so I would rethink the use of that beasty...
[17:36] <apachelogger> and whether it is necessary to access that stuff in there at all ^^
[17:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i have to check the label if its empty or not and reload it accordingly
[17:37] <apachelogger> in that case you should probably first check some things
[17:38] <shadeslayer> such as?
[17:38] <shadeslayer> actually
[17:38] <shadeslayer> that checks if the current label is same as m_customLabel
[17:39] <shadeslayer> and then update m_customLabel accordingly
[17:39] <apachelogger> label != m_customLabel
[17:39] <apachelogger> I wonder if that makes all that much sense
[17:40] <shadeslayer> i know... i didnt do a good job of explaining
[17:40] <apachelogger> well, no
[17:40] <shadeslayer> see  what im doing is reloading all values in configChanged
[17:41] <apachelogger> I just wonder about the performance trade off here
[17:41] <apachelogger> since in the worst case this will cause a qstrcompare and a qstrcopy
[17:42] <apachelogger> anyhow
[17:42] <apachelogger> needs some work
[17:42] <apachelogger> on the right way it is though
[17:42] <shadeslayer> thanks for the tip :)
[17:50] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: poke
[17:50] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/NiPST2iA << new patch
[17:56] <apachelogger> eclipse's search is very much full of crap
[17:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: are you studying or working ?
[17:58] <apachelogger> I am not exactly sure right now
[17:58] <apachelogger> also I am not sure I understand the question
[17:58] <shadeslayer> i mean.. are you a student or doing a job?
[17:59] <shadeslayer> or both :P
[17:59] <apachelogger> student
[18:00] <shadeslayer> post graduation i presume?
[18:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bachelor of science
[18:03] <shadeslayer> ah.. im in Bachelor of Tech. :P
[18:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw your free right? unlike other GSoC students rushing to complete their projects...
[18:05] <apachelogger> if one is rushing now, one has done something very wrong with the schedule :P
[18:05] <apachelogger> IMHO
[18:05] <shadeslayer> hehe
[18:06] <shadeslayer> well theyre fixing some last minute bugs that are trivial
[18:06] <apachelogger> supposedly I would do the same if someone would be reporting such things ^^
[18:06] <apachelogger> instead I am writing IniConfig parsers ^^
[18:06] <shadeslayer> for eg. on of my friends was working on skrooge dashboard, and at the last minute someone reported that theming didnt work
[18:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: theres a command to find out reverse deps of packages right?
[18:07] <shadeslayer> rdepends or something
[18:07] <shadeslayer> nvm
[18:07] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-check-package-dependencies-with-apt-rdepends-on-ubuntu.html
[18:08] <apachelogger> there is also a scripty in devscripts for build-deps btw
[18:09] <shadeslayer> whodepends ?
[18:10] <shadeslayer> nope
[18:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/a48T18Qp : line 467 to 472, should be fine to update the widget right?
[18:13] <shadeslayer> or more appropriately the variables preceding 471
[18:15]  * apachelogger lols since he apparently just replicated the core functionallity of KDE's create_tarball.rb script in some 15 sloc
[18:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: are you sure those line numbers are right?
[18:17] <apachelogger> nvm
[18:17] <apachelogger> wrong tab
[18:17] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:17] <shadeslayer> ever since i started this JJ, i have more than 7 tabs at any momen :P
[18:18] <apachelogger> looks good
[18:18] <shadeslayer> it got so bad at one time, that ever alternate tab was for project neon and the other one for plasma
[18:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: awesome.. any other thing that you want me to fix?
[18:18] <shadeslayer> ( in this particular function )
[18:20] <shadeslayer>     m_alignToGrid         = cg.readEntry("alignToGrid", m_alignToGrid); can be moved up in that list as well
[18:21] <apachelogger> strip them whitespaces :P
[18:21] <apachelogger>     m_numTextLines        = cg.readEntry("numTextLines", m_numTextLines);
[18:21] <shadeslayer> i thought that was the format ^_^
[18:22] <apachelogger> well, it can be, but sure as hell not longer than the longest variable of a variable block
[18:22] <apachelogger> and only in a variable block to begin with
[18:22] <apachelogger> so
[18:22] <apachelogger> foobar = 1;
[18:22] <apachelogger> foo    = 2;
[18:22] <apachelogger> is fine (depending on who you ask)
[18:22] <apachelogger> but
[18:22] <apachelogger> foobar       = 1;
[18:23] <apachelogger> foo          = 2;
[18:23] <apachelogger> is not
[18:23] <apachelogger> also I personally do not like that sort of formating in large piles of software at all
[18:23] <shadeslayer> oic
[18:23] <apachelogger> if you need to rearanage stuff your vars get all messed up
[18:23] <apachelogger> unless the block of variables never changes ;)
[18:25] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/w7HgrGwk
[18:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: need advice as to what should be done with new m_previewPlugins variable
[18:27] <apachelogger> what is new about?
[18:27] <shadeslayer> oh nvm
[18:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the spaces
[18:27] <shadeslayer> i removed them :P
[18:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh btw, rekonq now also has google suggestions
[18:29] <shadeslayer> http://imagebin.ca/view/01OiwlV.html
[18:29] <shadeslayer> uses konqueror search bar
[18:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kde uses true or 1 for passing boolean values ?
[18:34]  * shadeslayer hazards a guess at true
[18:35] <shadeslayer> AND
[18:35] <shadeslayer> a big question
[18:35] <shadeslayer> suppose i have a function emitting signals at the end, do i need to connect that or can i directly call that function
[18:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kde uses true unless there is reason not to use a bool (like when doing C in which case general C logic applies where 1 == true)
[18:37] <shadeslayer> alright.. and my 2nd question ? :)
[18:45] <shadeslayer> i guess your busy, will ask on #plasma
[18:47] <rbelem> hey Riddell
[18:50]  * Quintasan is back
[19:05] <slug> hi, i'm trying to install paraview, which depends on libqt4-assistant: Depends: libqt4-network (= 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu5) but 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu3~lucid1~ppa4 is to be installed
[19:05] <slug> Depends: libqtcore4 (= 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu5) but 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu3~lucid1~ppa4 is to be installed
[19:05] <slug> i recently installed kde 4.5 from the ppa.
[19:06] <slug> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports i mean
[19:07] <slug> i can always go back i guess, but i'm wondering if maverick will have the same issue?
[19:09] <rbelem> Riddell, ScottK, apachelogger, I uploaded the first kubuntu-mobile-default-settings to revu. Can you take a look? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kubuntu-mobile-default-settings
[19:09] <rbelem> :-)
[19:18] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Anything new regarding rekonw ppa yet? :P
[19:18] <shadeslayer> oh noes... see you didnt remind me :D
[19:18] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: ok i have 15 mins
[19:18] <shadeslayer> distro + rekonq version
[19:19] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rekonq but Lucid doesnt have 0.5, only maverick? :S
[19:19] <shadeslayer> ohhhhh
[19:19] <shadeslayer> you want rekonq in official ppa?
[19:19] <shadeslayer> i mean
[19:19] <shadeslayer> official archives
[19:20] <shadeslayer> cant be done
[19:20] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: WHy not?
[19:22] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: because we dont have kde 4.5 in archives
[19:22] <rbelem> brb
[19:22] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Is Rekonq 0.5 dependent of KDE 4.5? :S
[19:22] <shadeslayer> yes
[19:22] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: i can upload to ppa
[19:23] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Aha I see ... Well I guess I wait for MAverick then :P
[19:23] <jjesse> is 4.5 what i get w/ maverick?
[19:23] <shadeslayer> jjesse: yes
[19:23] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Not neccessary, I use daily ppa instead.
[19:23] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: https://launchpad.net/~rekonq/+archive/rekonq-daily
[19:23] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: alright, but thats under heavy neglect from me and bulldog right now ^_^
[19:24] <shadeslayer> ill trigger a build hold on
[19:24] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Doesnt use it very much anyway :P Isnt as stable as Firefox yet. But when it is, then I will abandon Firefox.
[19:24] <oxymoron> Most problems is because of buggy Webkit engine.
[19:24] <oxymoron> Gecko Engine is today most stable IMO :P
[19:25] <shadeslayer> im in favour of webkit
[19:25] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: sorry cant do anything, lp is going beserk
[19:25] <shadeslayer> Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad. :P
[19:25] <oxymoron> hehe :P
[19:25] <oxymoron> Np
[19:25] <shadeslayer> will try tmmrw from college
[19:25] <oxymoron> THanks for trying :)
[19:26] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: right now project neon and some other JJ's are at a priority :)
[19:27] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Btw may I ask, IF I should contribute somewhere on software market, where is the absolute best place to start with best developers and serious projects making differences? :P
[19:27] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: you should first of all know basic C++
[19:27] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Yeah, well Rekonq isnt that important right now anyway.
[19:27] <shadeslayer> that is a must
[19:27] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: I know basic C++, Python, Java so ...
[19:27] <oxymoron> It was awhile though xD
[19:27] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: you can compile 0.5 on 4.5 if you have kde 4.5 :P
[19:28] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: then find a JJ with kde people
[19:28] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: JJ?
[19:28] <shadeslayer> or with a project that you really like
[19:28] <jjesse> junior job
[19:28] <shadeslayer> yep
[19:28] <jjesse> i now just about that
[19:28] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Is KDE the most serious project on the whole market right now?
[19:28] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: for eg. i just finished this patch  http://pastebin.com/3xG6vW7Y
[19:29] <oxymoron> I want to contribute on some project which matter A LOT for people using it.
[19:29] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: it has alot of interesting stuff :D
[19:29] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:29] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Nice, doesnt look to hard learning code in that way :)
[19:30] <oxymoron> But most of all I want a interesting project which attract me.
[19:30] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: find a project you think is going to make it big soonish > mail a request to their ML  asking for a JJ > Voila!
[19:30] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: When I enter the project it will go big :D
[19:31] <shadeslayer> hehe...
[19:31] <shadeslayer> ok im off to sleep.. its 12 AM :P
[19:31] <shadeslayer> and ive only slept 4 hours since yesterday :D
[19:31] <oxymoron> Hmm maybe a free Linux Spotify client :P
[19:31] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Hehe :P
[19:31] <jjesse> you can always do documentation :)
[19:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: please promote libsrtp to main :)
[19:31] <shadeslayer> kdenetwork is ftbfs due to that
[19:31] <oxymoron> jjesse: Yeah if I want to kill myself :D
[19:32] <jjesse> hey its not that bad
[19:32] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: dude.. i did docs for rekonq
[19:32] <shadeslayer> you get to learn XML :P
[19:32] <shadeslayer> and like jjesse said.. its not that bad
[19:32] <jjesse> or you can just send me the changes and i'll get them applied
[19:33] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: I have all programming skills, I mostly need to learn QT structure and how people working on these projects
[19:33] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: usually IRC or ML's
[19:33] <oxymoron> I barely want to document my own framework ... why would I document something else? :P
[19:42] <xelister> hi, please review this patch and SRU it:
[19:42] <xelister> +	 if (!(leftActiveTab < leftTabTypes.size())) { leftActiveTab=0; } // fix bug LP: #481198
[19:42] <xelister> fixes Krusader medium bug (always crash on startup)
[19:43] <shadeslayer> bug 481198
[19:43] <xelister> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/53767856/krusader_2.0.0-1ubuntu4.debdiff
[19:44] <shadeslayer> xelister: ok thats a wrong debdiff
[19:44] <shadeslayer> xelister: you need to put in a patch in debian/patches/foo.patch
[19:44] <shadeslayer> and not actually modify the actual file
[19:44] <shadeslayer> also, please forward to upstream
[19:45] <xelister> huh
[19:45] <xelister> can anyone of you do that?
[19:45] <xelister> its 2 line patch to fix medium prio bug.  (and Im out of time currently)
[19:45] <shadeslayer> im off to sleep as well
[19:46] <shadeslayer> xelister: can you come back again tommorow ?
[19:46] <shadeslayer> *tomorrow
[19:48] <xelister> perhaps, depends.  :)
[19:50] <xelister> never mind it seems to anyway work correctly on maveric, perhaps fixed upstream. shadeslayer
[19:51] <shadeslayer> could be :)
[19:57] <yofel> shadeslayer: forwarding not needed, fixed in 2.2.0-beta1 in maverick
[19:57] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah xelister just confirmed it works
[20:28] <amichair> shadeslayer: did u find where software-properties-kde broke?
[21:19] <yofel> what was the screen height that triggers plasma-netbook again?
[21:23] <apachelogger> I propose that someone makes a movie about me
[21:23] <apachelogger> any takers?
[21:23] <yofel> not me, but get me a ticket so I can watch it :P
[21:23] <rbelem> lol
[21:25] <yofel> I have stuff in systemsettings/lost_and_found, what should I report that against? http://imagebin.ca/view/MpIijig7.html
[21:26] <jussi> apachelogger: go find Rexbron.
[21:26] <apachelogger> not found
[21:29] <apachelogger> o/o/o/o/o/
[21:29] <apachelogger> \o\o\o\o\o
[21:33] <debfx> yofel: i'll fix it
[21:33] <yofel> thanks :)
[22:28] <debfx> apachelogger: do you have time to sponsor those kcm category fixes?


[02:07] <Montresor> Cool, so they made it illegal to be Amish in Ohio.
[02:07] <Montresor> Also this channel is very small now.


[08:15] <mup> PR snapd#12400 opened: o/servicestate,snap/quota: check against adding the same service twice in quota groups <quota> <Created by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12400>
[11:56] <mup> PR snapd#12401 opened: o/servicestate: disallow mixing journal quotas and services <Squash-merge> <quota> <Pulse> <Created by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12401>
[12:01] <mup> PR snapd#12399 closed: devicestate: fix unit test failure on non-amd64 systems <Test Robustness> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12399>
[12:06] <mup> PR snapd#12331 closed: many: support AF_XDP in network control <Created by mvo5> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12331>
[12:36] <mup> PR snapd#12398 closed: overlord/*: make SnapServiceOptions take snap.Info instead of the instanceName <Squash-merge> <quota> <Pulse> <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12398>
[13:41] <mup> PR snapd#12394 closed: gadget: do not use LaidOutStructure in gadget validation <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12394>
[14:06] <mup> PR snapd#12402 opened: many: surface user and gating holds in API and CLI <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12402>
[16:22] <mup> PR snapd#12397 closed: tests: fix date and makefile for systemd-tmpfiles in snapd.spec <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12397>
[17:40] <mup> PR snapcraft#3998 opened: Kernel plugin: multiple fixes <Created by kubiko> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3998>
[20:08] <mup> PR snapd#12403 opened: devicestate: retry serial acquire on time based certificate  errors <Needs Samuele review> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12403>
[20:13] <mup> PR snapd#12404 opened: o/devicestate: Run systemctl daemon-reload after install-device hook <Created by alexclewontin> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12404>
[20:47] <cambrian_invader> how do I determine what permissions are provided by a snap plug?
[20:55]  * cambrian_invader sighs
[20:55] <cambrian_invader> as always, the solution is "read the source"


[13:09] <rvba> allenap: I just filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1391161; would you mind having a quick look when you get a chance?
[13:12] <allenap> rvba: Looking now.
[15:17] <allenap> rvba: Fancy reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~allenap/maas/connection-done--bug-1391161/+merge/241282?
[15:18] <rvba> allenap: sure.
[15:23] <rvba> Looks like gmb is reviewing that branch…
[15:39] <rvba> allenap: approved with a minor comment.
[15:39] <allenap> rvba: Thanks.
[15:40] <rvba> allenap: if you're willing to reciprocate I've got a tiny branch up for review: https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/maas/doc-bug-1391191/+merge/241284
[15:40] <allenap> rvba: Sure.
[16:18] <allenap> rvba: Fancy another shortish review? https://code.launchpad.net/~allenap/maas/dont-need-cleanup-db-maybe/+merge/241158
[16:19] <rvba> allenap: sure, I'll have a look in a sec.
[16:19] <allenap> Ta.
[16:29] <rvba> allenap: approved (sorry for the delay)
[16:29] <allenap> rvba: No worries. Thanks!
[16:46] <johnmce_> I've got a few questions about MAAS and it support for multiple networks. Can anyone help?
[17:22] <jtv> johnmce_: shoot.
[17:45] <johnmce_> jtv: I've got a test openstack setup. Up until now whenever deploy a service with Juju, I get a new LXC machine with just an eth0. Now I want to deploy a HA setup (using hacluster), which now supports multiple networks.
[17:46] <johnmce_> jtv: How is it possible to have Juju create new LXC machines with two NICS bridged onto two networks?
[17:46] <jtv> MAAS doesn't create machines, so I'm not sure MAAS fits in this picture.
[17:48] <jtv> Is this not simply Juju with the local provider?
[17:51] <johnmce_> jtv: Juju is using MAAS as a cloud provider. It create LXC machines as containers for applications. Is LXC creation more a Juju function than a MAAS function then?
[17:51] <jtv> Yes — MAAS only knows how to manage machines that already exist.
[17:53] <johnmce_> jtv: There has to be some crossover though, as Juju must somehow work-out how to bridge multiple virtual NICs to networks that the MAAS-provided node has access to.
[17:54] <jtv> Yes.  That crossover is in a state of flux, in fact, as we prepare to move more of that work into MAAS.
[17:55] <johnmce_> jtv: I suppose I need to ask this over on the juju channel? One way or another, I really need some guidance as to how LXC containers with multiple virtual NICs are to be created
[17:55] <jtv> That's definitely Juju territory, I'm afraid, so folks there will be better able to help you.