[06:09] <mebaran151_> under montior
[06:09] <tritium> raydogg_, if you install winesetuptk, and run it, it works "out of the box"
[06:09] <mebaran151_> and make sure you have a line that says 1280 x 1024
[06:09] <jeavis> Pluk:pssssssssssssssssss
[06:09] <mebaran151_> also
[06:09] <mebaran151_> you could try
[06:09] <jeavis>  how can i change from onboard sound to my soundblaster
[06:09] <jeavis>  how can i change from onboard sound to my soundblaster
[06:10] <mebaran151_> dpkg --configure xserver-xfree86
[06:10] <mebaran151_> I think that is how you do it
[06:10] <mebaran151_> so that it sort of walks you through the process
[06:10] <bassinboy> thanks mebaran151_
[06:10] <mebaran151_> make sure to do everything as root
[06:10] <Pluk> jeavis, stop spamming
[06:10] <mebaran151_> np
[06:10] <Pluk> jeavis, try asking your question on www.ubuntuforums.org
[06:11] <mebaran151_> jeavis
[06:11] <tritium> jeavis, did you search the forums?
[06:11] <mebaran151_> do you need your card
[06:11] <mebaran151_> if you are willing to do without onboard sound
[06:11] <mebaran151_> you should just blacklist it from hotplug
[06:11] <mebaran151_> so that it doesnet get enable
[06:11] <mebaran151_> d
[06:11] <bassinboy> mebaran151_: that command, the dkg one didn't work
[06:11] <jeavis> tritium: no
[06:11] <mebaran151_> hmmm
[06:11] <tritium> jeavis, did you try disabling onboard sound in the bios?
[06:12] <bassinboy> mebaran151_: can i msg?
[06:12] <tritium> if it's possible...
[06:12] <oMega505> hey guys, i need a little help with smb printing
[06:12] <tritium> bassinboy, dpkg-reconfigure
[06:12] <jeavis> tiitium: whit mandrake I use the soun blaster
[06:12] <mebaran151_> mebaran
[06:12] <mebaran151_> sure
[06:12] <mebaran151_> hehe
[06:12] <mebaran151_> sorry
[06:12] <mebaran151_> I pasted it by accident
[06:12] <oMega505> I have a printer set up on my winxp box over the network and I can't print to it through my ubuntu box
[06:12] <bassinboy> tritium: thanks
[06:12] <tritium> sure
[06:13] <jeavis> yes
[06:13] <mebaran151_> ah
[06:13] <mebaran151_> whoops
[06:13] <mebaran151_> sorry
[06:13] <mebaran151_> hehe
[06:13] <mebaran151_> I dont use it much, dpkg-reconfigure
[06:13] <oMega505> It says that it cannot connect to the smb server, the thing is that i can see the computer and its shares over the network perfectly
[06:13] <mebaran151_> I tend to edit the files by hand
[06:13] <bassinboy> mebaran151_: heh, i didn't feel like installing gentoo for my parents so i am giving them ubuntu :P
[06:14] <mebaran151_> bassinboy, I tried gentoo
[06:14] <mebaran151_> the fourth compile error
[06:14] <mebaran151_> I almost destoryed my computer
[06:14] <mebaran151_> wanted to burn the bloody thing
[06:14] <mebaran151_> heheh
[06:14] <mebaran151_> Gentoo looked cool but it didnt pan out for me
[06:14] <bassinboy> mebaran151_: hah, thats why you _read_ .... _study_  ............ _live_ the docs
[06:14] <raydogg_> thanks tritium
[06:15] <tritium> :)
[06:17] <mebaran151_> bassinboy, I did
[06:17] <mebaran151_> I read the gentoo install book and everything
[06:17] <jeavis>  how can i change from onboard sound to my soundblaster
[06:17] <mebaran151_> or everything I could find
[06:17] <mebaran151_> first distro I tried
[06:17] <mebaran151_> It wasnt a good distro to learn on
[06:17] <tritium> jeavis, please refrain from repeating so often
[06:18] <mebaran151_> does alsa show you both
[06:18] <mebaran151_> jeavis, which device calls itself /dev/pcm
[06:18] <mebaran151_> I eman
[06:18] <mebaran151_> /dev/dsp
[06:18] <mebaran151_> I am soo off today
[06:18] <commodude28> How do I change to non graphical login.. changing the /etc/inittab to init 3 doesnt work
[06:19] <mebaran151_> well init 3 I think has graphics
[06:19] <mebaran151_> try init two
[06:19] <commodude28> okay
[06:19] <commodude28> used to other distros
[06:19] <tritium> commodude28, debian doesn't do it that way
[06:20] <tritium> nor does ubuntu, for that matter
[06:20] <jeavis> mebaran151_: i can tenter to pcm
[06:20] <jeavis> dont exist
[06:20] <tritium> commodude28, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-no-x-start
[06:20] <jeavis>  mebaran151_:dsp yes
[06:21] <commodude28> great
[06:22] <jeavis> mebaran151_:what i do in /dev dsp
[06:23] <bassinboy> i ran dpkg-reconfigure  xserver-xfree86   ............... where is my old conf ?
[06:25] <tritium> bassinboy, replaced
[06:25] <bassinboy> no backup?
[06:26] <tritium> no, not if you didn't back it up on your own.  Why?  Is the new config not working for you?
[06:27] <bassinboy> i dont know yet
[06:27] <jeavis> Hi how I can enter to control panel
[06:28] <mebaran151> jeavis, what do you mean by control panel
[06:28] <bassinboy> there is none :P
[06:28] <jeavis> mebaran151: like control panel in windows
[06:28] <mebaran151> jeavis
[06:29] <mebaran151> jeavis, we dont have no stinkin control panel ;)
[06:29] <tritium> jeavis, what are you trying to do?
[06:29] <mebaran151> he probably wants to route his sndcard
[06:29] <mebaran151> jeavis, do you know which device is registering itself to /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer
[06:30] <tritium> jeavis, did you research on the forums?  Did you look into disabling it in your bios?  Have you tried our suggestions?
[06:30] <mebaran151> tritium, good suggestion
[06:30] <mebaran151> the bios one is very effective
[06:30] <mebaran151> set it to off or secondary
[06:31] <mebaran151> On my Nforce Mobo, I can jsut turn it off
[06:31] <tritium> mebaran151, that's what you did
[06:31] <tritium> ?
[06:31] <jeavis> ok i will restar my pc
[06:31] <tritium> I need to go.  Later mebaran151
[06:32] <mebaran151> yeah
[06:37] <Maragato> I gtg folks good night sweet dreams!
[06:39] <oomf> ok i got a problem
[06:39] <oomf> whose listening
[06:39] <mebaran151> anybody got any idea how I can fix my Evolution
[06:39] <mebaran151> or anybody know if screem is anygood
[06:39] <oomf> im running ubuntu and the system just stops after it says
[06:40] <oomf> intilaizing oackage states...done
[06:40] <oomf> then nothing happens>
[06:40] <oomf> ?
[06:40] <mebaran151> when does this happen
[06:40] <mebaran151> not on boot up
[06:40] <oomf> after
[06:40] <oomf> um
[06:40] <oomf> i've tried to configure i guess
[06:40] <mebaran151> ah
[06:40] <oomf> after all those questions
[06:40] <mebaran151> trying running this command
[06:40] <mebaran151> sudo apt-get clean
[06:41] <mebaran151> and then apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[06:41] <mebaran151> do those two things from terminal
[06:41] <mebaran151> to get a clean login
[06:41] <mebaran151> alt ctrl f2 or alt ctrl f3
[06:41] <oomf> hmm
[06:42] <oomf> one sec
[06:42] <oomf> WOAH wtf
[06:42] <oomf> lol i had my bbback turned
[06:42] <oomf> to the computer
[06:42] <mebaran151> and what happened
[06:42] <oomf> and now i go back and theres like 100 lines of soemthing hold on
[06:42] <bluefoxicy> so horribly broken
[06:43] <bluefoxicy> i.e. the "Video player" visualizes audio
[06:43] <oomf> it says
[06:43] <oomf> insert disc
[06:43] <oomf> labels
[06:43] <oomf> labeled
[06:44] <oomf> warty worthog
[06:44] <mebaran151> uh
[06:44] <oomf> is that the same as the install disc?
[06:44] <mebaran151> get your install disk
[06:44] <oomf> kk
[06:44] <mebaran151> yep
[06:44] <mebaran151> exactly
[06:45] <bluefoxicy> ok totem-xine dies
[06:45] <bluefoxicy> so
[06:45] <bluefoxicy> ubuntu comes with no video player on amd64
[06:46] <adamh> How broken is X on the livecd? :)
[06:47] <mebaran151> X is broken in that it doesnt work
[06:47] <mebaran151> heheh
[06:47] <mebaran151> I dont know how else to day it
[06:47] <adamh> Okay :)
[06:47] <adamh> Well, sometimes "broken" means "such and such doesn't work" :P
[06:48] <mebaran151> X is pretty broke
[06:48] <daniels> adamh: yes
[06:48] <djjason> has anyone here used xbindkeys
[06:49] <adamh> Thank goodness for my rediculous bandwidth. Doesn't feel painful to delete my 500MB download :)
[06:49] <bluefoxicy> xine ALSO doesn't run.
[06:49] <bluefoxicy> ok
[06:49] <bluefoxicy> NO video
[06:50] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: I don't think you can turn off NX unless you run a 32-bit setup.
[06:51] <Amaranth> And if code doesn't work with NX it's the code's fault. :P
[06:51] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  hence why I'm pondering adding PaX to the kernel
[06:52] <Amaranth> Oh, I thought PaX was a fake NX.
[06:52] <bluefoxicy> I can disable NX per-binary with PaX; plus I can just do trampoline emulation if it's nested functions doing it (better, don't need an executable stack)
[06:52] <jeavis> Hi How I can use my second sound card
[06:52] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  no, advanced memory protection policy wihch relies on NX and thus brings its own NX when none is available
[06:52] <Amaranth> I learned today that PaX can be broken in 216 seconds.
[06:52] <mebaran151> did you try disabling it in bios jeavis
[06:52] <Amaranth> But I got that from slashdot so it may not be true.
[06:52] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  Correct, ASLR can be broken in 216 seconds; however, using GrSecurity's exploit brute force deterrance, the period extends to 2 weeks
[06:53] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: GrSecurity could be broken with 64K or 2M of NOP. From the same entry.
[06:53] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  that report was 3 months after i read the paper btw :) they completely ignore the idea of a set-up of Gr with brute force deterrance, except to say that such things are 'not feasible because they create a DoS'
[06:53] <da_bon_bon> is there some kindova udf packet writitng software for linux ?>
[06:53] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  wrong
[06:53] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  they got that one from me, talking about Exec Shield, as it uses 64k or 2M of randomization
[06:53] <Amaranth> ah
[06:54] <Amaranth> They did say Exec Shield, I remember that now.
[06:54] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  GrSecurity is a bunch of stuff around PaX, and PaX uses some ungodly amount of randamization, like 256M
[06:54] <_blue> how do i reset gnome panel preferences via commandline???
[06:54] <bluefoxicy> 64 GIGS on amd64
[06:54] <dr_willis> da_bon_bon,  i recall that being worked on.. but never have seen it used or mentioned lately.
[06:54] <jeavis> Hi How I can use my second sound card?
[06:54] <da_bon_bon> dr_willis: oh ok..
[06:54] <mebaran151> jeavis, did you ever try the bios hack
[06:54] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  I sacrificed my PR value on LKML for a while for exposing that :)
[06:54] <adamh> _blue: Reset... as in, delete all your panels so that the defaults appear?
[06:55] <da_bon_bon> and anyone know of something like a kazaa for linux ?
[06:55] <mebaran151> and did you ever find out which device was hogging /dev/dsp
[06:55] <dr_willis> da_bon_bon,  i cant even rember where/when i saw it.. perhaps in the kernel souce options one day when i was configuring the kernel for a different machine. lol
[06:55] <adamh> da_bon_bon: giFT
[06:55] <_blue> adamh: no i messed up the config on my panel to where its totally transparent and a removed everything except the pager
[06:55] <jeavis> mebaran151: yes but I cant
[06:55] <_blue> and also it has autohide, and i cant get it back...how do i reset the preferences via commandline
[06:56] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  was that a recent article+?
[06:56] <adamh> _blue: Press Ctrl-Alt-Tab to switch to the panel.
[06:56] <Amaranth> I dunno, I miss some old things and find them again.
[06:56] <Amaranth> It wasn't an article, it was in a comment.
[06:56] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  http://usrbac.sourceforge.net/misc/www/security.html that's what I'm thinking about if I do my own linux distro
[06:56] <adamh> _blue: As far as I know, it's really, really hard to mess with the panel from the commandline.
[06:56] <_blue> well, im using fluxbox
[06:56] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  I lean heavily on PaX and GrSecurity because Exec Shield is a partial solution and is inherantly broken in many places
[06:57] <_blue> adamh: im using flux and using the panel just for the pager
[06:57] <Amaranth> Yeah, if you can write a bunch of nop to the stack to get around it it sounds worthless...
[06:57] <_blue> i need to be able to edit it via commandline
[06:57] <bluefoxicy> it's funny that they claim PaX breaks things, but ES breaks the same stuff.  They just set the compiler to haphazardly disable ES
[06:57] <adamh> _blue: Wow. You managed quite a feat, breaking it to that much of an extent :P
[06:57] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  you still need an executable stack, except for data-on-stack stuff
[06:58] <_blue> ya i know....
[06:58] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  for example if you're writing to a stack which lets you overflow into a pointer to a string to pass to, say, execve
[06:58] <_blue> how do i reset the preferences
[06:58] <_blue> ??
[06:58] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  <POINTER>/bin/sh /bin/sh /bin/sh /bin/sh
[06:58] <dr_willis> _blue,  ya could delet the users .gnome dir - that has all the settings. :( not a good fix however.
[06:58] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: That was the example given. :P
[06:58] <bluefoxicy> instead of guessing where /bin/sh is just dump lots in there (you'll have either 1 sh or a billion nested sh)
[06:58] <dr_willis> I think its .gnome (not on a linux box right now)
[06:58] <adamh> _blue: I imagine you could log out (i.e., make sure gnome-panel isn't running) and then do gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel; rm -rf ~/.gnome2/panel2.d
[06:58] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  ah, that was spender's doing
[06:59] <adamh> dr_willis: No, that's totally wrong. Most preferences are stored in GConf.
[06:59] <dr_willis> adamh,  isent that file it stores in ~/.gnome2 ?
[06:59] <adamh> dr_willis: Nope, ~/.gconf
[07:00] <dr_willis> adamh,  lol :P we getting too many config files all over. :P
[07:00] <adamh> dr_willis: And you shouldn't alter those files while GConf is running, anyway
[07:00] <adamh> dr_willis: Not from GNOME apps, thankfully :)
[07:01] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  have you tried pitti's kernels?
[07:01] <jeavis> mebaran151: What do you think I need to do
[07:01] <mebaran151> you need to figure out what mixer you are running
[07:01] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: I don't have an AMD64.
[07:02] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  they're not for amd64, i'm gonna have to build my own
[07:02] <jba> home time
[07:03] <mebaran151> I am on AMD64
[07:03] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:   deb     http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/linux-hardened/  /
[07:03] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: Ah, I don't focus much on local security anyway. I figure if someone got access to my box remotely they can have their fun (I keep backups).
[07:03] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  he supplies a good deal of things, though if you run those some stuff may berak (qemu)
[07:03] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  heh :)
[07:04] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: Seeing how I only have port 80 as a sign I even exist at my IP address, I don't think I have too much to worry about there.
[07:04] <_blue> lol, that still doesnt answer my question about how to rest the panel....
[07:04] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  breakins don't have to happen from someone connecting
[07:04] <Amaranth> Although my Linux box doesn't even have net access right now so it's even safer.
[07:04] <_blue> i just want to reset it so i can change the preferences again
[07:04] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  i'm more worried about irc (holes in xchat), mozilla, thunderbird, gaim, etc
[07:04] <_blue> there HAS to be some script that i can run...:-(
[07:05] <adamh> _blue: Read up.   I get a error at startup saying x server is already running, and it won't let me start xfce or gnome, I can only get into gdm and terminal. Does anyone have any ideas on what I can do?
[07:12] <adamh> ChaosZ3RO: You *can* get into gdm?
[07:12] <Amaranth> ChaosZ3RO: login with gdm
[07:12] <ChaosZ3RO> yes I can get into gdm
[07:12] <adamh> ChaosZ3RO: Sounds like X is already running :P
[07:12] <Amaranth> It'll send you to a GNOME or XFCE session once you login there.
[07:12] <adamh> ChaosZ3RO: gdm is a program running inside X. If GDM is running, that means X is running.
[07:12] <Amaranth> You can hit the settings button to choose which one you want, too.
[07:12] <ChaosZ3RO> you don't seem to understand, when I try to login to xfce FROM gdm, I get that error
[07:13] <Amaranth> odd...
[07:13] <adamh> ChaosZ3RO: My guess is that you've got some funky x settings file in your home directory
[07:13] <ChaosZ3RO> The odd thing is it was running just fine for a few days :S
[07:13] <adamh> ChaosZ3RO: Hrm. You dist-upgraded?
[07:13] <adamh> ChaosZ3RO: On Hoary?
[07:13] <ChaosZ3RO> No
[07:14] <ChaosZ3RO> I might just wait for haory to come out and reinstall wiht that
[07:14] <ChaosZ3RO> with*
[07:14] <adamh> ChaosZ3RO: If I were you I'd start moving files out of your home directory until it starts :)
[07:15] <ChaosZ3RO> Is hoary out?
[07:15] <adamh> April, I think
[07:15] <hendsp> i know this is offtopic, but has anyone used any ecommerce software which will let me have different versions of a product, and monitor the stock for each version? (ie stock level for shoe size 8, and 9)
[07:15] <ChaosZ3RO> ah geez
[07:15] <BierGuzzl> I miss my Applications >> Debian Menu ... Is there a relatively painless way to get those menu entries for obscure apps back?
[07:15] <mebaran151> hendsp, I think you cold do it in excel
[07:15] <hendsp> excel?
[07:16] <ChaosZ3RO> guess I'll just reinstall tomorrow then...
[07:16] <adamh> OpenOffice.org calc :)
[07:16] <hendsp> for an online webstore, though?
[07:16] <adamh> ChaosZ3RO: Reinstalling is silly. There's a problem, and you can fix it :)
[07:16] <adamh> Only Windows users need to reinstall.
[07:16] <mebaran151> adamh, reinstalling is the cleanest way possible
[07:16] <ChaosZ3RO> Well noone seems to know what is wrong and what to do =\
[07:16] <mebaran151> haha
[07:16] <mebaran151> a reinstall takes like 20 minutes on my machine
[07:17] <adamh> ChaosZ3RO: Remove your home directory and try logging in. If it works, it has nothing at all to do with reinstalling :)
[07:17] <mebaran151> and it clears out all the junk I apt-gettted
[07:17] <adamh> mebaran151: And doesn't fix anything :P
[07:17] <Amaranth> ChaosZ3RO: Wait for a real X guru to show up, like daniels.
[07:17] <bosewicht> anyone have any probs with apache setting up vir dir in public_html
[07:17] <adamh> mebaran151: "apt-get clean" does, too
[07:17] <mebaran151> adamh, only when I break it myself
[07:17] <ChaosZ3RO> I'd rather just spend the half hour to reinstall than wait a week for someone to figure it out
[07:17] <adamh> mebaran151: How do you break things?
[07:17] <adamh> ChaosZ3RO: Reinstalling won't fix your problem.
[07:17] <mebaran151> Oh
[07:17] <mebaran151> I dont know
[07:17] <ChaosZ3RO> Actually it will <_< at least for a while
[07:17] <mebaran151> I was trying to make evolution from scratch
[07:17] <adamh> ChaosZ3RO: I've given you some very good advice. Use it. If it still doesn't work, then reinstalling won't do anything.
[07:18] <adamh> mebaran151: apt-get build-dep evolution; apt-get source evolution; cd evolution[tab] ; dpkg-buildpackage
[07:18] <adamh> mebaran151: never EVER fuck with the package manager :)
[07:18] <hendsp> nobody knows any good ecommerce software? where's a good place to ask on freenode?
[07:18] <adamh> hendsp: http://freshmeat.net :)
[07:19] <oMega505> hey guys, how do i enable the root account?
[07:19] <adamh> oMega505: /topic
[07:19] <randabis> why do you want to enable it?
[07:19] <adamh> oMega505: But the better answer is, "don't, just use sudo"
[07:19] <mebaran151> adamh, I was just having fun
[07:19] <hendsp> adamh: yeah, i've tried, but it's hard to find one which allows for stock monitoring on product attributes
[07:19] <mebaran151> no need to get so serious
[07:19] <adamh> mebaran151: Well, I suppose.
[07:20] <oMega505> adamh, the thing is that i installed Enemy Territories using sudo and now it wont run unless i start it with sudo
[07:20] <adamh> mebaran151: But when people talk about reinstalling modern Linux distros, I can't help but think they're missing the entire point.
[07:20] <mebaran151> adamh, yeah
[07:20] <mebaran151> but sometimes
[07:20] <adamh> oMega505: Well, CERTAINLY don't run it as root!
[07:20] <mebaran151> it is quicker to reinstall
[07:20] <mebaran151> then to try to figure out where you fucked it
[07:20] <mebaran151> of course
[07:20] <mebaran151> if it hadnt been clean
[07:20] <oMega505> adamh, so, what do i do?  Follow that simple rule and you'll never need to reinstall, ever :)
[07:21] <mebaran151> I usually dont do that
[07:21] <mebaran151> I usually leave it like that
[07:21] <mebaran151> one of these days
[07:21] <mebaran151> I am going to LFS
[07:21] <adamh> oMega505: Dunno, there must be an answer on Google.
[07:21] <mebaran151> and actually have a right to break it the right way
[07:21] <adamh> mebaran151: Heh, what fun :)
[07:21] <randabis> I'm gonna try out freebsd tomorrow for kicks
[07:21] <oMega505> adamh, kk, thanks
[07:22] <adamh> mebaran151: I kinda did LFS for a few years. Started off as Slackware, but ended up with no remaining Slackware-ness at all :)
[07:22] <randabis> downloaded the isos, just gonna wait until tomorrow to do the install
[07:22] <adamh> mebaran151: And even then, I didn't need to reinstall until my memory died and managed to slaughter my / partition :)
[07:23] <mebaran151> heheh
[07:23] <adamh> mebaran151: Reinstalls are for Windows -- where software makes itself impossible to remove.
[07:23] <adamh> Just like reboots :)
[07:23] <mebaran151> reboots
[07:23] <mebaran151> yes
[07:23] <randabis> oMega505, I suppose you could uninstall it and run the installer as a normal user :/ or maybe change the permissions on /usr/local/games/et
[07:23] <mebaran151> that is one thing I love
[07:23] <mebaran151> once I learned to get the hang of init and daemons
[07:23] <mebaran151> I have never really needed a reboot
[07:23] <mebaran151> except to get my new kernel up
[07:23] <mebaran151> and everyone loves the new kernel
[07:24] <randabis> my uptime's 4 days now...It would be longer, but something happened and I can't remember what... :p
[07:24] <adamh> I rebooted my server computer once last year.   Erm...
[07:27] <mebaran151> well it freezes X
[07:28] <mebaran151> and I have to restart X
[07:28] <mebaran151> and that is annoying
[07:28] <mebaran151> not unlivable
[07:28] <adamh> mebaran151: That's a bug in X...
[07:28] <adamh> What is the Debian build daemon, anyway?
[07:28] <mebaran151> well it is a bug everywhere
[07:28] <mebaran151> I dont know
[07:28] <mebaran151> it was referenced in the bug
[07:28] <mebaran151> I guess it was what builds pkgs
[07:28] <mebaran151> here is the bug number
[07:29] <adamh> mebaran151: You certainly don't need that to compile Evolution the proper way...
[07:29] <mebaran151> no
[07:29] <mebaran151> I think that is what makes the pkgs
[07:29] <adamh> mebaran151: dpkg-buildpackage does that
[07:29] <mebaran151> yeah
[07:29] <adamh> mebaran151: It's not a daemon...
[07:29] <mebaran151> but AMD64 is so screwed up
[07:30] <mebaran151> nope
[07:30] <mebaran151> I didnt think so
[07:30] <adamh> mebaran151: Oh, AMD64, huh? Say no more :)
[07:30] <mebaran151> yeah
[07:30] <mebaran151> AMD64
[07:30] <mebaran151> somebody did a bad pointer or something
[07:30] <adamh> Once AMD64 adoption reaches critical mass those bugs will be much less frequent.
[07:30] <mebaran151> X has stopped crashing since the dist upgrade today
[07:30] <mebaran151> but Evolution
[07:30] <mebaran151> sort of sucks
[07:30] <mebaran151> still
[07:31] <mebaran151> always exits with a float exception
[07:31] <adamh> mebaran151: It'll probably work in a day or two if you file a bug with Ubuntu.
[07:31] <adamh> mebaran151: Ubuntu devs are totally awesome when it comes to handling bugs :)
[07:31] <mebaran151> bug filed
[07:31] <mebaran151> a couple weeks ago
[07:31] <mebaran151> this has been going for awhile
[07:31] <mebaran151> must be huge
[07:32] <adamh> Weird :)
[07:32] <mebaran151> yeah
[07:32] <randabis> I wonder how usplash is going
[07:32] <mebaran151> but AMD64 is so hard now adays
[07:32] <randabis> the wiki hasn't been updated in a month
[07:32] <ksugi> offline synaptic repositories? how?
[07:33] <bosewicht> ok, so nobody in here knows anything about apache?
[07:33] <mebaran151> ok
[07:33] <adamh> bosewicht: I know something about apache
[07:33] <randabis> I know it's a web server :)
[07:33] <hygl> bosewicht: and i now something about meta questions:)
[07:33] <mebaran151> adamh, 5870
[07:34] <hygl> know even
[07:34] <adamh> bosewicht: http://homepages.tesco.net/~J.deBoynePollard/FGA/questions-with-yes-or-no-answers.html
[07:34] <bosewicht> i've had this prob all day not being able to hit my public_html dir. i've asked the same question 7-8 times and nobody responded, i have userdir enabled, i have my default dir pointing there, but it still loads /var/www
[07:34] <adamh> bosewicht: You've browsed to http://localhost/~bosewicht ?
[07:35] <bosewicht> i get a internal 500 error
[07:35] <adamh> bosewicht: chmod a+rwx /home/bosewicht/public_html
[07:35] <adamh> (erm, a+rx, that is)
[07:35] <adamh> chmod a+rx /home/bosewicht
[07:35] <adamh> (which sucks, but must be done)
[07:35] <hygl> bosewicht: and have you looked in the /var/log/apache/error.log?
[07:37] <adamh> mebaran151: Did you look at the forum post by Tristan Tarrant about compiling by hand?
[07:37] <bosewicht> yes, it says address already in use
[07:37] <adamh> bosewicht: Do you have apache *and* apache2 installed?
[07:37] <bosewicht> still the same internal 500 error log
[07:38] <bosewicht> i had uninstalled apache2
[07:38] <hygl> bosewicht: but is apache2 still running?
[07:38] <adamh> netstat -pant
[07:38] <mebaran151> adamh, I looked
[07:38] <mebaran151> but I didnt have time at the moment to actually do it
[07:39] <adamh> Ah well, 'night all :)
[07:39] <Halo> Hello
[07:39] <Halo> and "help, help!"
[07:40] <randabis> =o
[07:40] <Halo> I'm rather novice when it comes to linux, and am trying to compile some drivers for my wireless card
[07:40] <Halo> I got it working with ndiswrapper.... but I'd rather have the linux drivers running proper
[07:40] <mebaran151> well
[07:40] <hygl> what kind of card do you have?
[07:40] <Halo> it's an rt2500 chipset, and I got the freeware drivers set up
[07:40] <Halo> err, at least downloaded.
[07:41] <Halo> There's a makefile for the 2.6 kernel which I copied over
[07:41] <Halo> then I try this: from the readme
[07:41] <Halo> For 2.6 series kernel:
[07:41] <Halo> a.  $make -C /path/to/source SUBDIRS=$PWD modules
[07:41] <Halo>     Where /path/to/source is the path to the source directory for the (configured and built) target kernel.
[07:41] <Halo> that command results in a build error
[07:41] <randabis> those drivers are a NIGHTMARE to compile I've heard
[07:41] <Halo> and quite a bit of googling has left me scratching my head
[07:42] <randabis> have you tried using the linux tree for your kernel?
[07:42] <Halo> ... say what now?
[07:43] <randabis> er I think I meant linux headers
[07:43] <Halo> I still don't follow... if it's easier to point me to a FAQ please do
[07:43] <Halo> I don't mind reading the manual... I just need to know where to start :O
[07:43] <randabis> what kernel source are you using?
[07:44] <Halo> <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:44] <bosewicht> ok, now it says alert client <IP_ADDRESS> /home/bosewicht/public_html/ $.htaccess directoryindex not allowed in here
[07:44] <randabis> what I meant by linux headers is that there is a package called linux headers that creates basically a source tree of your running kernel
[07:44] <randabis> you can apt-get it
[07:45] <randabis> you should try using the path to that as /path/to/source
[07:45] <Halo> I think I got it actually...
[07:45] <Halo> /usr/src/kernal ?
[07:45] <randabis> no
[07:45] <randabis> err hold on
[07:45] <randabis> lemme check that
[07:46] <Halo> "Linux kernel headers <IP_ADDRESS> on 386
[07:46] <Halo> This package provides kernel header files for version <IP_ADDRESS> on
[07:46] <Halo> 386,"
[07:46] <djjason> could someone help me please, all of a sudden I cant log in using the defualt system session, and xsession-errors ends with /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup...
[07:46] <Halo> This I do not have
[07:46] <Halo> How will getting this help me?
[07:47] <Halo> will it create a new src folder?
[07:47] <randabis> yes, it basically mirrors your running kernel
[07:47] <Halo> ok, I have a centrino... should I get the 686?
[07:48] <randabis> are you running a 686 kernel now?
[07:48] <Halo> I'm actually running a 386 kernal though... as it's the only install iso I saw available
[07:48] <randabis> you should get the one that matches your running kernel
[07:48] <Halo> ok
[07:48] <gobeavs> that reminds me, if I have an athlon 64, what kernel should I get?
[07:48] <gobeavs> I don't want a 64 bit OS though
[07:49] <randabis> k7
[07:49] <Halo> downloading
[07:49] <gobeavs> ok
[07:49] <gobeavs> thx
[07:49] <Halo> it's about 30mb.. I hope ubuntu doesn't poop in the meanwhile
[07:49] <Halo> an isssue which I think is related to my ndis drivers
[07:49] <Halo> I'll get a kernel error saying disabled irq 11
[07:49] <Halo> at which point my wireless dies, but oddly... so does my usb mouse
[07:50] <randabis> hmm
[07:50] <randabis> might be acpi related
[07:50] <Halo> this is a dell 8600 laptop
[07:50] <Halo> I greatly dislike dell... but before xmas they had a $750 off sale so I jumped on it
[07:50] <randabis> heh
[07:50] <Halo> I've been paying the price ever since lol
[07:51] <Halo> oh how I miss my old thinkpad
[07:51] <randabis> well the 2.6.8 kernel does have some problems with acpi on some systems, that's why I mentioned that
[07:51] <Halo> if only I could have grabbed a T42 for the same price I got this thing
[07:51] <Halo> is there a way of using ubuntu and the older 2.4 kernel?
[07:51] <randabis> it sucks that IBM is dropping their laptop/desktop business
[07:52] <randabis> NOT recommended Halo
[07:52] <Halo> I know... but perhaps Levano will prove worthwhile
[07:52] <Halo> we'll see
[07:52] <Halo> ok, I wont use 2.4 then
[07:52] <Halo> but what am I to do?
[07:52] <randabis> you could disable acpi
[07:52] <randabis> and see if that helps
[07:52] <randabis> I think the line to add to grub is pci=noacpi
[07:53] <Halo> I'll try it out if the native linux drivers don't work out
[07:53] <Halo> because I think it's related to my wireless connection dropping
[07:53] <Halo> as soon as my connection drops (I think) I get the error
[07:53] <Halo> I'm just confused as to why it kills my usb stuff too
[07:54] <Halo> I know the ndis stuff isn't working great though, as it reports 100% signal usage *all* the time
[07:54] <randabis> the path will be something like /usr/src/linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 when it's done
[07:54] <djjason> is there a way to reset the default system session so I can log into it again
[07:54] <Halo> no fluctuation what so ever... even when the signal is dead
[07:54] <randabis> well ndiswrapper works well with somethings and less well for others
[07:55] <gobeavs> what is ACPI?
[07:55] <randabis> it works great with my wifi pcmcia card
[07:55] <randabis> google is your friend
[07:55] <gobeavs> but it doesn't tell me what I want to know
[07:55] <Halo> It works better than the nix driver at this point
[07:55] <Halo> as the nix driver wont compile :O
[07:55] <gobeavs> "ACPI establishes industry-standard interfaces for OS-directed configuration and power management on laptops, desktops, and servers."
[07:56] <gobeavs> that tells me nothing about if it will work on my computer
[07:56] <gobeavs> or if it will have conflicts with my linux
[07:56] <Halo> It's usually only an issue for laptops
[07:56] <gobeavs> ok
[07:56] <gobeavs> thx
[07:56] <gobeavs> that what I needed to know :D
[07:56] <randabis> you're probably already using it
[07:56] <randabis> depends on the age of your hardware
[07:56] <Halo> has some standby issues and most especially power management issues (like when the power is pulled and it forces things to run on battery)
[07:56] <gobeavs> new
[07:56] <gobeavs> about 1 year old, max
[07:57] <gobeavs> 2 actually
[07:57] <gobeavs> yeah, its a desktop so I'm fine I think
[07:57] <randabis> unless you turned it off in the BIOS, you're definitely using ACPI
[07:57] <Halo> ok, headers downloaded... giving this a whirl
[07:57] <randabis> good luck
[07:57] <randabis> hope it works out better for you
[07:59] <Halo> she worked :O
[07:59] <Halo> .... ok.... now what
[07:59] <Halo> do I copy the compiled module to my real source folder or something?
[08:00] <randabis> no
[08:00] <randabis> should probably put it in /lib/modules/*kernel
[08:01] <randabis> and do an insmod module.ko
[08:01] <Halo> ok
[08:01] <randabis> then add the module to /etc/modules so it loads at bootup
[08:01] <Halo> well here is b: b.  run '/sbin/insmod rt2500.ko'  (as root)
[08:02] <Halo> so it puts it in the directory I'm working in I suppose
[08:02] <randabis> sudo insmod rt2500.ko :)
[08:02] <randabis> yeah I suppose so
[08:02] <Halo> yeah, I've been sudo'ing everything up to this point
[08:02] <randabis> good :)
[08:02] <Halo> I wouldn't have gotten this far if I hadn't been :)
[08:03] <randabis> yeah
[08:03] <Halo> well if I run it out of this directory will I have to keep it there?
[08:03] <Halo> because I don't want to do that... it's something deep in my home dir
[08:03] <randabis> I don't think so
[08:04] <Halo> allright, I'll give it a shot then
[08:04] <randabis> after you insmod you will probably have to modprobe it for it to work...I advise disabling ndiswrapper first though...you'll probably have to reconfigure your network settings too
[08:04] <randabis> not sure
[08:04] <Halo> yeah, I was just about to ask
[08:05] <Halo> it's insmod'd in
[08:05] <randabis> rmmod ndiswrapper should turn it off
[08:05] <Halo> no errors, so I guess things are cool
[08:05] <FAST> can anyone tell me how to get the  gxmms applet to work ?
[08:05] <gobeavs> excellent Halo
[08:05] <Halo> allright... well I'm going to copy out my netconfigs and hopefully be back shortly
[08:05] <randabis> then you just need to blacklist ndiswrapper in /etc/hotplug/blacklist so it doesn't load on startup
[08:05] <_4strO> yop yop all
[08:05] <Halo> if not... I may just cry and boot up windows
[08:06] <Halo> I'll be removing ndiswrapper if this works right
[08:06] <Halo> so the blacklist shouldn't be needed
[08:06] <gobeavs> whenever I install a new kernel, it leaves the old kernel entries in GRUB so I can boot them again, is there any downside to leaving them in there?
[08:06] <mebaran151> gobeavs, you have to read
[08:06] <mebaran151> but other than that
[08:06] <mebaran151> all they are doing is taking up space
[08:06] <gobeavs> I have to read?....I can do that
[08:06] <gobeavs> space isnt a problem
[08:06] <mebaran151> so if you have a couple gigs and space is no big deal
[08:06] <mebaran151> and your boot partition is pretty big
[08:06] <mebaran151> like 100 mbs
[08:07] <gobeavs> ok
[08:07] <randabis> you can safely remove them...just do the COMPLETELY remove option in synaptic on the particular kernel you want to remove (or apt-get --purge remove kernelpackage
[08:07] <gobeavs> thx mebaran
[08:07] <im_high> wow nice chan
[08:07] <randabis> :)
[08:07] <FAST> is there a way to run xmms only from the applet, and not have it in the panel window list ?
[08:07] <mebaran151> im_high, everything is nice when you are high
[08:07] <mebaran151> ;)
[08:08] <im_high> ;)
[08:08] <mebaran151> not that I would have any ideas about that
[08:08] <im_high> jus installed ubuntu on this ppc g3 350
[08:08] <im_high> kinda coo
[08:08] <mebaran151> hey
[08:08] <mebaran151> it is better than MacOS pre X
[08:08] <im_high> cept it makes me change my pw everytime i login?
[08:08] <mebaran151> and probably better than X as well
[08:08] <mebaran151> im_high, that is not supposed to happen
[08:08] <mlambie> i remember hearing that there is going to be another ubuntu conference in Canberra around the time of linux.conf.au this year (April). Does anyone have any details?
[08:09] <im_high> and users and groups....type in pw...says The config could not be loaded (error running the backend script)
[08:09] <randabis> no idea
[08:09] <im_high> same with network
[08:09] <mebaran151> im_high
[08:09] <snowblink> mlambie: see the ubuntu site. I believe it's in Sydney though.
[08:09] <mebaran151> try reinstalling base-config
[08:10] <mebaran151> and then rerun it
[08:10] <im_high> tryed checkin the faq
[08:10] <im_high> ok
[08:10] <mebaran151> like boot to run level single
[08:11] <mebaran151> im_high
[08:11] <im_high> ?
[08:11] <mebaran151> have you run sudo-apt-get dist-upgrade yet
[08:11] <im_high> no
[08:11] <mebaran151> ok
[08:11] <mebaran151> see if that fixes anything
[08:11] <mebaran151> they release bug fixes all the time
[08:11] <im_high> should i run base-config first?
[08:11] <Nitrox> Hello Everyone, Newbie here to this distro
[08:11] <randabis> welcome
[08:12] <Nitrox> I got it up and Running less than 24hrs and I like it alot
[08:12] <randabis> great
[08:12] <Nitrox> Sux that 13hrs of that time I was at work
[08:12] <Halo> hello?
[08:13] <randabis> heh that could explain the time gap there. :) only distro I've ever used that took over 24 hours to setup was gentoo
[08:13] <Nitrox> Loving the Synamtic package and how easy it is to run Fluxbox
[08:13] <Halo> ok hello again?
[08:13] <randabis> hi halo
[08:13] <Halo> I tried to modprobe for my newly added rt2500 driver
[08:13] <mebaran151> Hi halo
[08:13] <mebaran151> this is not AA
[08:13] <mebaran151> heheh
[08:13] <Halo> I'm halo and I'm a windows addict :(
[08:13] <Zotnix> 24 hours to set up gentoo? Heh.. took me 48 hours
[08:13] <Zotnix> One time I compiled Open office for 3 days
[08:13] <Halo> it took me 24 hours to compile gentoo...
[08:14] <randabis> Zotnix, I said "over" :)
[08:14] <Halo> then I tried to compile kde and got a kernel panic
[08:14] <Zotnix> Oops
[08:14] <Zotnix> Okay :D
[08:14] <Halo> I tried that a couple more times... and dropped it
[08:14] <Halo> went to arch
[08:14] <Nitrox> I am thinking about getting gentoo whenever I gor AMD64
[08:14] <mebaran151> Nitrox
[08:14] <Halo> arch is nice :)
[08:14] <mebaran151> I have AMD64
[08:14] <mebaran151> I tried Gentoo
[08:14] <mebaran151> it was painful
[08:14] <Halo> anyway.... modprobe gives me the finger and says rt2500 isn't found
[08:14] <mebaran151> nothing ever compiled cleanly
[08:14] <mebaran151> except for the base system
[08:15] <mebaran151> everything else always failed half way in
[08:15] <randabis> Halo even after insmod?
[08:15] <mebaran151> so I had to start all over again
[08:15] <Halo> one thing I loved about gentoo was that the documentation was so complete
[08:15] <Halo> it's really rare these days
[08:15] <Nitrox> Mebaran151: You still using Gentoo on your AMD64
[08:15] <mebaran151> nope
[08:15] <Halo> randabis yes, I set did the insmod
[08:15] <mebaran151> I couldnt get X to compile
[08:15] <mebaran151> so I just sort of gave up
[08:15] <gobeavs> arch...pfft
[08:15] <Halo> then I rmmod ndiswrapper and tried to modprobe rt2500
[08:15] <gobeavs> ubuntu rules
[08:15] <mebaran151> I needed to use the computer you know
[08:16] <Nitrox> Strickly Ubuntu now ?
[08:16] <Halo> I use ubuntu and xp
[08:16] <Halo> trying to get away from xp entirely
[08:16] <mebaran151> I am an ubuntu, Debian, and a little XP man
[08:16] <Halo> getting used to the gimp has helped with that immensly
[08:16] <mebaran151> I also ran Slackware
[08:16] <Nitrox> i here ya.. Mepis is what got me from Windows complete
[08:16] <randabis> Halo, maybe put the module in /lib/modules somewhere, and insmod it from there then modprobe
[08:16] <gobeavs> same here Halo
[08:16] <randabis> I'm pure ubuntu
[08:16] <will> i use Ubuntu and xp- but only for games
[08:16] <Halo> I used arch to try and get some halfway real linux knowledge
[08:17] <randabis> haven't used windows in a while now
[08:17] <snowblink> randabis: I thought modprobe inserts the module
[08:17] <Halo> I installed red hat first... got a desktop and said 'ok... now what?' then booted xp again
[08:17] <Halo> Installing gentoo and then arch was enough for me to learn a bit so I could actually try and troubleshoot things
[08:17] <Nitrox> Windows I hate because I got this on my test system with is a 550Mhz and it is running like a champ..
[08:17] <gobeavs> XP for games, but I play games so much I spend more time in XP :(
[08:17] <mebaran151> you want docs
[08:17] <Halo> arch was also easy on my old thinkpad.. it was only a 500mhz machine
[08:17] <mebaran151> go to LFS
[08:17] <mebaran151> there is documentation there
[08:17] <mebaran151> there is so much documentation there
[08:17] <Halo> cedara is supposed to really help gaming in linux
[08:18] <mebaran151> I think an elephant died
[08:18] <mebaran151> twice
[08:18] <randabis> snowblink, yes, it adds and removes modules
[08:18] <gobeavs> i have cedega, doesn't work too well
[08:18] <Halo> randabis ok, I'll try that
[08:18] <gobeavs> have tried 3 things, none of them work enough to play
[08:18] <snowblink> randabis: so do you still need to use insmod?
[08:18] <SymbolicLink> Wine doesn't run Starcraft, I'm upset
[08:19] <Zotnix> Odd
[08:19] <Zotnix> I got it to run on wine
[08:19] <randabis> snowblink, yes, I believe you do...I haven't been able to get modprobe to work with a new module before doing that
[08:19] <SymbolicLink> I'll try Cedega
[08:19] <Nitrox> So i am trying to configure still little box like as a FTP Server and Webserver with PHP support so got to get mysql in background up and running
[08:19] <randabis> insmod is what actually inserts the module into the kernel
[08:19] <mebaran151> wine is soon going to have full DirectX 9
[08:19] <mebaran151> that will be hot
[08:19] <SymbolicLink> Zotnix, it runs but it's slow and sound doesn't work
[08:19] <snowblink> randabis: hmmm... man insmod seems to defer to modprobe
[08:19] <mebaran151> as the WINE Project is more thorough than Transmeta
[08:20] <mebaran151> they try to do it the right way
[08:20] <SymbolicLink> Supposedly it works, but I haven't had too much luck
[08:20] <randabis> snowblink, indeed it does... hmm
[08:20] <gobeavs> but Cedega is meant for games
[08:21] <Halo> wine should have dx9 next month, or so says the grapevine
[08:21] <randabis> that would rawk
[08:21] <gobeavs> that would be nice
[08:21] <SymbolicLink> Well, gnite
[08:21] <randabis> bbl, gonna play some more vba
[08:21] <Halo> trying to remove ndiswrapper first, then insmodding the rt2500 and then modprobing
[08:22] <Nitrox> Anyone in here ever checked out Zebra as a firewall/Router software
[08:23] <judge> what package holds the development headers so i can build kernel modules against an ubuntu kernel?
[08:23] <judge> ie how do i get the /lib/modules/2.6.10-2-386/build directory
[08:25] <upop> hi folks. I dont suppose I can go back to warty from hoary without reinstalling can I? It's just too unstable for me
[08:26] <upop> anybody?
[08:27] <Zotnix> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DowngradingFromHoaryHowTo
[08:28] <upop> Zotnix:  thanks, I'll check it out.
[08:30] <Halo> randabis that wa a no go my friend :(
[08:30] <Halo> randabis that wa a no go my friend :(
[08:30] <Halo> modprobe still says that it's not found
[08:30] <calamari> is it possible to see my local x screen remotely without using vnc?
[08:31] <Halo> but if I try to insmod it again, it says already there...
[08:31] <Halo> so it's added
[08:33] <Halo> any other ideas?
[08:33] <Halo> what sort of directories should I expect to find in /lib/modules?
[08:33] <Halo> because I've got 2 kernel sources...
[08:34] <Halo> <IP_ADDRESS>-3 and <IP_ADDRESS>-4 ?
[08:42] <lane> hello
[08:43] <lane> can anyone tell me the command to update packages or install packages in ubuntu
[08:43] <HrdwrBoB> synaptic
[08:43] <HrdwrBoB> it's in your administration menu
[08:44] <lane> let me find that real quick
[08:44] <Halo> halo@Goliath:/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-386 $ sudo /sbin/insmod rt2500.ko
[08:44] <Halo> halo@Goliath:/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-386 $ sudo modprobe rt2500.ko
[08:44] <Halo> FATAL: Module rt2500.ko not found.
[08:44] <Halo> That's exactly what I do...
[08:44] <Halo> any thoughts?
[08:45] <HrdwrBoB> um
[08:45] <lane> HrdwrBob, thanks
[08:45] <snowblink> Halo: skip the .ko
[08:45] <HrdwrBoB> modprobe rt2500
[08:45] <HrdwrBoB> not .ko
[08:45] <Halo> odd... the readme states the .ko
[08:45] <Halo> ok, I'll try skipping it
[08:45] <HrdwrBoB> Halo: for insmod yes
[08:45] <HrdwrBoB> for modprobe no
[08:51] <pvh> How can I specify the soundcard to output to with the Multimedia Systems Selector?
[08:51] <pvh> I think it should be 'alsasink device="hw:1,0"', but that doesn't parse.
[08:52] <Rattboi> I've got a semistrange question...
[08:52] <ficusplanet> Does anyone know of any current/ongoing work to use the xcomposite extension in GNOME?
[08:52] <Rattboi> can you have 2 soundcards in linux and map different apps to different soundcards?
[08:52] <lane> so, i suppose Ubuntu comes with servers and development tools... it does, doesn't it
[08:52] <pvh> Rattboi: Yes.
[08:52] <pvh> Rattboi: But it's miserably awful.
[08:53] <pvh> Rattboi: Basically, one of your cards is going to be hw:0,0 and the other will be hw:1,0.
[08:53] <Rattboi> is there an easy way to implement it?
[08:53] <Rattboi> like wrapping them in different mixers?
[08:53] <pvh> Rattboi: Not really. It's a pain in the ass, and I'm still struggling with it.
[08:53] <Rattboi> damn
[08:54] <Rattboi> dualhead video is so easy in some ways, why not dualhead sound?
[08:54] <pvh> Rattboi: And there's minimal documentation.
[08:54] <HaloGray> ok... that didn't work either
[08:54] <Rattboi> that sucks
[08:54] <Rattboi> it'd be great for say... a car computer
[08:54] <Rattboi> stereo to one sound card, dvd to the other in the back
[08:55] <HaloGray>  halo@Goliath:/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-386 $ sudo /sbin/insmod rt2500.ko
[08:55] <HaloGray> halo@Goliath:/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-386 $ sudo modprobe rt2500
[08:55] <HaloGray> FATAL: Module rt2500 not found.
[08:55] <pvh> Rattboi: It isn't too bad on an application-by-application basis.
[08:56] <Rattboi> it seems like you should be able to use 2 mixers to do it
[08:56] <pvh> Rattboi: you can
[08:56] <pvh> Rattboi: Do you have a computer with two cards?
[08:56] <HaloGray> any other ideas?
[08:56] <Rattboi> no, not atm
[08:56] <HaloGray> could all the ndis configs be screwing with this?
[08:56] <Rattboi> I was just wondering about it, since there's NO way to do it in windows, afaik
[08:57] <pvh> Rattboi: Oh, it's easy.
[08:57] <Rattboi> in windows?
[08:57] <pvh> Rattboi: oh yeah
[08:57] <Rattboi> huh
[08:57] <pvh> Rattboi: Winamp can be set to output to a specific application.
[08:57] <pvh> Rattboi: Then you just set your default output to the other card.
[08:57] <pvh> Rattboi: Used to do it all the time.
[08:57] <Rattboi> I guess I figured that the support wouldn't be there...
[08:58] <Rattboi> but that's still app-to-ap
[08:58] <snowblink> HaloGray: uname -r
[08:59] <Rattboi> Man, I wish I could find my gf's OSX cds
[08:59] <Rattboi> then I could dualboot OSX and Ubuntu on her Ibook g4
[08:59] <Rattboi> I tried the hoary live cd, and it worked great
[08:59] <Rattboi> sound was a little strange
[08:59] <Rattboi> volume, that is
[09:00] <Rattboi> I think I've always had a few sound bumps with ubuntu though
[09:07] <pussfeller> now, what exactly do i do to get flash and mp3, etc... its unclear to me
[09:07] <kzm> Good morning!
[09:07] <jeavis> HI, How I can expel one cd from my cd-rom with a instruction from tem?
[09:08] <pussfeller> eject
[09:08] <pussfeller> if its installed
[09:09] <jeavis> and to inpur
[09:09] <jeavis> yes
[09:10] <jeavis> pussfeller: if i want to put a cd in my cd rom what instrucion use
[09:10] <pussfeller> jeavis, all i know about is the eject command, I dont know how to load it
[09:10] <pussfeller> tho there must be one
[09:11] <HrdwrBoB> eject
[09:11] <HrdwrBoB> eject -t
[09:11] <HrdwrBoB> will close the tray (if possible)
[09:11] <pussfeller> yeah that makes sense
[09:11] <HrdwrBoB> not all drives support it
[09:12] <jeavis> thank
[09:14] <mebaran151> just run eject
[09:14] <mebaran151> with the cdrom drive open
[09:14] <mebaran151> and it will close it
[09:14] <mebaran151> I believe
[09:14] <mebaran151> if you want it to mount
[09:14] <mebaran151> it should mount auto mount
[09:14] <mebaran151> or just mount /dev/hda or whatever should cut the trick
[09:15] <kzm> Houston, I have a problem.
[09:16] <kzm> When I start up, the fonts etc in the menus are not correct, and some icons are missing in the menus (in particular the keyboard config icon).  When I click it, the kbd dialog pops up, and the fonts are magically fixed.  Any idea?  Anybody?
[09:17] <Emanuelez> hello *
[09:17] <mebaran151> I am sleepy
[09:17] <mebaran151> all you guys
[09:17] <mebaran151> I am out
[09:18] <Emanuelez> what do u have to install to have gcc 3.4? both gcc and gcc-3.4?
[09:18] <kzm> And besides: anybody manage to switch windows with Win-TAB (instead of Alt-Tab)?
[09:19] <Emanuelez> kzm: don't really know :-S
[09:21] <jeavis> hi, I have a problem with my xine, every time that I want to use gnome restars, some body know why?
[09:21] <kzm> Quite weird, I think.
[09:21] <kzm> And one more thing: how do I change the /%&# menus?
[09:23] <Rattboi> which menu is that?
[09:23] <kzm> Emanuelez - did you try just apt-get'ting gcc-3.4?
[09:33] <wmealing_> just wondering, /me tips his hat
[09:34] <wmealing_> does the hoarey live cd for PPC work ?
[09:39] <im_high> much better
[09:39] <kzm> Hi again
[09:39] <siimo> hi
[09:39] <im_high> simple re install with inet
[09:39] <shock> hoi
[09:39] <im_high> :)
[09:40] <kzm> I suppose it's a good idea to run gnome-session....that fixed my font problem, as well as the Win-Tab window switching thing.
[09:40] <kzm> So now y'all know.
[09:40] <im_high> nice
[09:40] <Emanuelez> how do i request panotools and enblend to be put in the repositories?
[09:44] <rob_m> when will kde work again...
[09:45] <rob_m> and mono too.
[09:53] <im_high> kzm how would running another instance of a session improve your font
[09:54] <pepperpot> is it possible to get a hoary package while staying in warty?
[09:57] <zenrox> pepperpot,  no
[09:57] <zenrox> it will break warty
[10:03] <prego> Which filesystems do you recommend for a USB-flash drive?
[10:03] <Rattboi> Reiser :P
[10:03] <prego> Rattboi, It is the one I have ;-)
[10:04] <prego> Rattboi, however, they say that the number of writes is limited at USB-flash drives
[10:04] <prego> Rattboi, so the journal thing is not a good thing for a USB-flash... Is that right??
[10:05] <Rattboi> for my purposes, it seems a little overkill
[10:05] <flodin> perhaps a log based file system
[10:05] <Rattboi> I'd just use fat32, but that's because I want it to be usable wherever I go
[10:06] <flodin> nah bad idea
[10:06] <prego> Rattboi, I have created 2 partitions so I have fat32 and reiser
[10:06] <Rattboi> huh
[10:06] <flodin> a partitioned usb drive? sheesh
[10:06] <flodin> what the hell are you going to use it for?
[10:06] <Rattboi> I wouldn't have thought that windows would support multi-partitioned USB flash
[10:08] <flodin> but why
[10:08] <Rattboi> yeah, it's all based on context
[10:10] <prego> flodin, 1st partition to share data with windows machines. 2nd partition, to backup my data and share with Linux machines
[10:10] <prego> Rattboi, Windows only sees the first one ;-)
[10:11] <Rattboi> I don't see why you'd need something like Reiser
[10:11] <prego> Rattboi, ext2 was very slow when writting
[10:12] <flodin> prego: but fat32 is understood by linux also
[10:12] <prego> Rattboi, I think it is something related to the kernel version. In fact reiserfs is fast in ubuntu but slow in SuSE
[10:12] <prego> flodin, I want to have symlinks, etc.
[10:12] <prego> flodin, and each user have hers directory
[10:12] <flodin> haha
[10:12] <Rattboi> prego, are you putting more than data on there?
[10:12] <prego> flodin, with her own permissions
[10:13] <prego> Rattboi, software development trees
[10:13] <flodin> permissions aren't worth shit when they're on a removable drive
[10:13] <prego> flodin, unless you know hom you lend the stick
[10:13] <flodin> right
[10:14] <prego> so, can I disable journaling in reiser?
[10:14] <Rattboi> disabling journaling in reiser?
[10:14] <Rattboi> why use reiser then?
[10:14] <Rattboi> did you try ext3?
[10:15] <Rattboi> in actuality, I've never used ext3, so I don't know about performance, etc
[10:16] <Bigglez> Evolution question: Is there any way to have an icon signify new email in the taskbar?
[10:16] <flodin> i've used reiser and my impression is that it's not yet trustworthy for unreliable drives
[10:16] <prego> Rattboi, the problem is that with ext3/ext2 for some reason the stick behaves slow
[10:16] <flodin> i ended up with some directories that caused a kernel panic every time i tried to view / delete them
[10:16] <prego> Rattboi, I also tested udf, but I didn't manage :-((
[10:16] <Twentyone> Bigglez: I don't think there's a applet for that.. but you could use a mailboxChecker
[10:17] <Rattboi> prego, so are you having issues with Reiser?
[10:17] <Rattboi> if it's working best for you, maybe you should just stick with it
[10:17] <prego> Rattboi, none ;-) but I am scared about reducing the operating life of the stick
[10:17] <Zindar> bigglez: not yet I think
[10:18] <Rattboi> even though it's a bit weird
[10:18] <Bigglez> Twentyone: I have gkrellm, how would I get it to detect mail in evo?
[10:18] <shock> *grml* - the mapping of my mousebuttons just refuses to work
[10:18] <shock> *grml*
[10:18] <Twentyone> shock: don't use a mac mouse ;) there's no button ;)
[10:18] <Rattboi> afaik, flash is good for at least 20000 writes to each sector
[10:18] <prego> Rattboi, in fact, with reiser, the stick behaves almost twice speed than with fat ???
[10:19] <Twentyone> Bigglez: Don't know.; I don't know/think there's a plugin for that
[10:19] <prego> Rattboi, 20000 writes to journal area may be not so much
[10:19] <Rattboi> true, true
 <- actually mappen button2 successfully to fn-alt
[10:20] <shock> but fn-ctrl wont be button3 :(
[10:20] <prego> Rattboi, wich leads me to two questions: a) is it possible to disable journal in reiser? b) how can I enable "noatime" option at mount? (at automagic mount)
[10:20] <rob_m> yeay i finally figured out how to get gmane to work
[10:20] <Bigglez> Ok - thanks anyway
[10:20] <Twentyone> shock: arf :/
[10:22] <shock> 21: barf
[10:22] <shock> :)
[10:22] <Twentyone> :)
[10:22] <Twentyone> shock: I see you know SpaceBalls ;)
[10:22] <shock> :P u dont say
[10:23] <prego> Rattboi, flodin, if you know spanish, you may see what I've done at "www.barrapunto.com/~prego/journal
[10:23] <Bigglez> Xmms question: Is there some way to setup a shortcut key to pause/play?
[10:24] <shock> what do i have to restart to reread /etc/sysctl.conf ?
[10:25] <shock> brb
[10:27] <Bigglez> Retry : Xmms question: Is there some way to setup a shortcut key to pause/play?
[10:27] <Rattboi> Bigglez, like global hotkeys?
[10:28] <Rattboi> http://forum.xmms.org/viewtopic.php?t=700
[10:28] <Rattboi> http://members.optushome.com.au/a.nielsen/
[10:29] <Rattboi> btw, have you ever tried Beep?
[10:29] <Rattboi> it's basically xmms, with a GTK2 interface
[10:29] <Rattboi> looks a lot nicer
[10:29] <Rattboi> although I did compile it myself, to get the old equalizer
[10:30] <Rattboi> I don't much like the new equalizer, even if it is more "accurate"
[10:33] <Bigglez> Ratboi : is 'global hotkeys' some kind of app I can install?
[10:34] <George_Guy> Hi guys....I am trying to compile gftp and get error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[10:34] <Rattboi> Bigglez, it's more of a concept
[10:35] <Bigglez> George: Go look at http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[10:35] <Zindar> george: sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[10:35] <Bigglez> George : You need to install gcc I think
[10:35] <Rattboi> but if you checked those links, it's what you're looking for
[10:35] <Rattboi> xmms-hotkey
[10:35] <Bigglez> Ratboi - ok - is there some kind of global hotkeys thing? KDE had it built-in
[10:36] <Bigglez> Kewl - I'm cheking those links thanls
[10:36] <Bigglez> thanks - I mean...
[10:36] <Zindar> or if it's essential without s? :)
[10:36] <George_Guy> ok, how do I install gcc?
[10:36] <Rattboi> apt-get gcc
[10:37] <Rattboi> actually, I think Zindar should be right
[10:37] <Bigglez> Georg: Go to that link and read!
[10:37] <Rattboi> sudo apt-get install build-essentials should include gcc
[10:37] <Zindar> just run apt-get install build-essentials and wait until it's done.. then retry
[10:38] <Zindar> it's named "build-essential".. not "build-essentials" I just doublechecked
[10:38] <randabis-laptop> isn't gftp already a package though?
[10:38] <Rattboi> yeah
[10:38] <Rattboi> it is
[10:38] <Bigglez> OK - off to compile xmms hotkeys. anyone know of a .deb file?
[10:39] <zenrox> Bigglez,  its in the repos
[10:39] <randabis-laptop> then I fail to see the reason to compile gftp
[10:40] <randabis-laptop> unless he needs a bleeding edge version for some reason
[10:40] <zenrox> Bigglez,  also too gnome will use the extrakeys on a keyboard and pass them to xmms
[10:40] <Rattboi> zenrox, out of the box?
[10:40] <Bigglez> zenrox: 'sfunny - I thought I had them all enabled and yet a search comes up empty
[10:40] <Rattboi> I wish I could check, but I'm on a windows box atm
[10:40] <Rattboi> at work
[10:40] <zenrox> Bigglez,  got to your gnome keyboard set up
[10:41] <George_Guy> can anyone email me a compiled version of gftp that works?
[10:41] <Rattboi> man, I can't wait to get my mac mini + ubuntu :)
[10:41] <Rattboi> George_Guy, what about gftp in the repos?
[10:41] <Rattboi> I've never had a problem with it
[10:42] <Bigglez> zenrox : you mean the Computer->Desk pref->key shortcuts? Cos that don't work properly
[10:42] <zenrox> works just fine for my keyboard
[10:42] <George_Guy> repos? sorry, I am a extreme newbie to linux, baby steps please, lol
[10:42] <Bigglez> ok - thanks all, brb
[10:43] <Rattboi> George_Guy, there's this thing called apt-get
[10:43] <randabis-laptop> George_Guy, synaptic
[10:43] <Rattboi> or synaptic :)
[10:43] <Rattboi> it's used to install software across the internet
[10:43] <Rattboi> the software is available from places called repositories
[10:43] <Rattboi> software repositories
[10:43] <Rattboi> for example, if you wanna use command-line, you can do this for gftp
[10:44] <Rattboi> "sudo apt-get install gftp"
[10:44] <Rattboi> then you have gftp
[10:44] <Rattboi> it's that easy
[10:44] <zenrox> with out the quotes tho
[10:44] <Rattboi> lol
[10:44] <Rattboi> yes
[10:44] <George_Guy> mmmm...I have tried it but after entering my password it dissapears and nothing after that??
[10:45] <Rattboi> synaptic or command-line?
[10:45] <randabis-laptop> it disappears? ...
[10:45] <zenrox> it shouldent do that
[10:45] <zenrox> it should at least give an error
[10:46] <George_Guy> synaptic package manager
[10:46] <randabis-laptop> try command line then
[10:46] <randabis-laptop> it's faster anyway
[10:48] <George_Guy> ok I get an error 'user is not in sudoers file'
[10:48] <randabis-laptop> ...
[10:54] <wiebel_> morning
[10:54] <niptac> I checked for updates to gaim in synaptic and it says that there is a version "1:1.1.0-1-warty+backportedfrom-ubuntu-hoary1" is this right? is it safe to update to this one?
[10:55] <wiebel_> is there any way to edit the kde menu with ubuntu? it seems kmenuedit wont work, any changes wont show up in the menu
[10:55] <zenrox> niptac,  i wouldent use backports
[10:56] <George_Guy> how do I add myself as a sudoer user?
[10:56] <prego> Who automagically mounts the pendrives? is it "udev"?
[10:56] <wiebel_> visudo
[10:56] <zenrox> George_Guy, go read www.ubuntuforums.org
[10:58] <randabis-laptop> strange that he isn't already a sudoer though
[10:58] <zenrox> randabis-laptop, probly created another account out side of the installer
[10:59] <wiebel_> no one here running kde on ubuntu? :)
[10:59] <zenrox> not me
[10:59] <zenrox> gnome all the way
[10:59] <Rattboi> nope
[10:59] <Rattboi> gnome rocks big ass
[10:59] <cast> e!
[11:00] <randabis-laptop> zenrox, yeah, didn't think of that :)
[11:00] <randabis-laptop> XFCE here
[11:00] <zenrox> i havent tried to get that xfce to work yet
[11:00] <zenrox> but one of these days i will
[11:01] <randabis-laptop> it's easy with the graphical installers at os works
[11:01] <niptac> zenrox: I just went to ubuntu unofficial starter guide and from there I included in sources.list all the lines including the one from backports, so do you suggest I delete this one line from sources.list? and do apt-get update?
[11:01] <wiebel_> well i like kde just a little more :)
[11:01] <zenrox> niptac,  yep
[11:02] <niptac> ok
[11:02] <wiebel_> but that's taste
[11:02] <zenrox> randabis-laptop,  point me in the right way
[11:02] <George_Guy> Anyone got an idea how I add myself as a sudoers user, every time I try install it says I am not a sudoers user
[11:03] <wiebel_> 10:56 <wiebel_> visudo
[11:03] <wiebel_> as root
[11:03] <randabis-laptop> www.xfce.org
[11:03] <randabis-laptop> click graphical installers
[11:03] <zenrox> ok thx randabis-laptop
[11:04] <randabis-laptop> you'll need to install the dependencies before they will work though
[11:04] <zenrox> i fegured that
[11:05] <randabis-laptop> you'll need glib2and gtk2, along with their development libraries, libxpm-dev, libdbh, libdbh-dev, and a couple of others I believe
[11:05] <randabis-laptop> a2ps is another
[11:05] <zenrox> i have that allready installed
[11:06] <randabis-laptop> it tells you what you're missing once you are able to start the graphical installer
[11:06] <zenrox> i like to compile a few apps i like to keep bleeding edge and thay happen to use gnome dev libs
[11:06] <randabis-laptop> it doesn't let you proceed without the dependencies, so you can just hit hack, install the deps, then hit next again
[11:06] <randabis-laptop> cool
[11:06] <niptac> zerox I deleted it and updated and it doesnt show the newer version from backport only from official port
[11:07] <zenrox> niptac,  now got to gaim.sf.net
[11:07] <zenrox> get the deb and install that
[11:07] <zenrox> or get the source and compile it your self
[11:08] <zenrox> if your so inclinded
[11:08] <niptac> zenrox you dont suggest I do apt-get upgrade gaim?
[11:08] <wiebel_> hmm
[11:09] <zenrox> thats the older ver of gaim in warty
[11:09] <wiebel_> how can i edit the menu entries in the gnome start menu? :)
[11:09] <zenrox> the ver is now 1.1.2
[11:09] <zenrox> gaim updates every 2 weeks or so
[11:09] <niptac> zenrox does it go only for warty or other software as well like xchat?
[11:10] <prego> wiebel_, point nautilus to applications:// and create launchers directly there (or at subfolders)
[11:10] <niptac> sorry does it only go for gaim I meant
[11:10] <wiebel_> ah
[11:10] <wiebel_> thenx
[11:10] <zenrox> niptac, ya prety much only gaim
[11:10] <niptac> zenrox ok cool thanks
[11:10] <zenrox> xchat and others dont updat as fast
[11:10] <prego> wiebel_, it will only apply to current user, thought
[11:10] <zenrox> gaim you must keep up to date
[11:11] <wiebel_> ah ok
[11:11] <niptac> I thought warty was up to date system
[11:11] <wiebel_> prego: what about the shared menu?
[11:11] <zenrox> it was when it was releaced
[11:11] <zenrox> gaim up dated 2ce
[11:11] <niptac> ok
[11:11] <zenrox> gaim seems to have massive devlopers worken on it
[11:12] <zenrox> now if we can lure some of them from thare to ubuntu
[11:12] <zenrox> lol
[11:12] <prego> wiebel_, not sure, I guess that adding launchers modifies only a local user copy
[11:12] <niptac> this version of gaim in warty seems to have a bug
[11:12] <randabis-laptop> hoary is the bleeding edge :) for the most part anyway
[11:12] <randabis-laptop> featurefreeze is soon
[11:12] <zenrox> ya
[11:12] <niptac> hoary is like sid
[11:12] <zenrox> cant waite
[11:12] <zenrox> no
[11:13] <zenrox> hoary and like sid
[11:13] <zenrox> and=ant
[11:13] <randabis-laptop> hoary isn't like sid
[11:13] <randabis-laptop> they are kinda similar, but hoary is something different now
[11:13] <niptac> I had sid b4 and it was quiet stable
[11:13] <niptac> hoary is kde?
[11:13] <zenrox> hoary is quite satble
[11:14] <randabis-laptop> no, hoary is not kde...
[11:14] <niptac> warty gnome
[11:14] <zenrox> hoary gnome
[11:14] <niptac> no?
[11:14] <zenrox> ubuntu = gnome
[11:14] <randabis-laptop> universe has kde
[11:14] <niptac> ohh I see
[11:14] <zenrox> kubuntu will be ubuntu+kde
[11:14] <zenrox> some day
[11:15] <randabis-laptop> kubuntu is being developed within hoary
[11:15] <niptac> another distro?
[11:15] <niptac> kubuntu?
[11:15] <randabis-laptop> I don't think so
[11:15] <zenrox> randabis-laptop, true
[11:15] <niptac> so after hoary comes out warty will go?
[11:15] <zenrox> the guy that founded ubuntu is trying to encurage kubuntu to strik out on its own
[11:16] <wiebel_> prego:
[11:16] <wiebel_> "applications:///" is not a valid location.
[11:16] <randabis-laptop> warty will still receive security updates for another year after hoary is out
[11:16] <niptac> I really like ubuntu
[11:16] <zenrox> after that better dist-upgrade
[11:16] <randabis-laptop> but most people will probably update to hoary
[11:16] <bestadvocate> hello
[11:16] <zenrox> hoary rocks and is pretty sollid allready
[11:17] <randabis-laptop> yep
[11:17] <randabis-laptop> I have it on 3 systems :)
[11:17] <bestadvocate> hey you guys know if the packages on marillat work on AMD 64s?
[11:17] <zenrox> my fileserve =warty
[11:17] <prego> wiebel_, weird, it is for me ????
[11:17] <zenrox> dint wnat the probs of hoary on it yet
[11:17] <wiebel_> strange
[11:18] <randabis-laptop> unless marilliat has made 64bit packages, I doubt it
[11:18] <prego> wiebel_, make sure you are updated....
[11:18] <randabis-laptop> wiebel_, what version do you run?
[11:18] <wiebel_> prego: i am
[11:18] <prego> wiebel_, I'm in Warty
[11:18] <wiebel_> i'm in hurray
[11:18] <randabis-laptop> that's why you can't change menus like that
[11:18] <prego> oh
[11:18] <niptac> so hoary will be a more up to date gnome?
[11:18] <randabis-laptop> hoary has changed
[11:18] <randabis-laptop> niptac, Gnome 2.10
[11:19] <wiebel_> there still should be a way to edit you menu's i presume :)
[11:19] <randabis-laptop> wiebel_, there is, but it is not easy
[11:19] <wiebel_> strange
[11:19] <wiebel_> but tell me ;)
[11:19] <randabis-laptop> I don't know how exactly...I've just heard about it. I don't use gnome
[11:19] <wiebel_> heh ok :)
[11:20] <wiebel_> well it seems kde uses the same menus as gnome
[11:20] <wiebel_> that's way i asked
[11:25] <bestadvocate> i hope dvds will work i want to watch empire strikes back
[11:25] <zenrox> bestadvocate,  you have gxine installed + libdvdcss
[11:26] <cast> well, youll need to get around the dodgy encryption
[11:26] <bestadvocate> its getting the repositorys to work thats often the problem
[11:26] <cast> can one take a ubuntu install and replace all the apt sources with debian testing sources without everything exploding?
[11:26] <bestadvocate> and I am hopeless when it comes to compiling (why I'm on ubuntu)
[11:27] <bestadvocate> cast: i have heard of it being done with little incident
[11:27] <zenrox> cast no it will expload in to a million peces too
[11:27] <cast> oh, random question: does stock kernel come with dmcrypt enabled?
[11:28] <waxhead> hi everyone
[11:28] <zenrox> cast dont know
[11:28] <bestadvocate> heya waxy
[11:28] <zenrox> whts that for
[11:28] <cast> block device encryption
[11:28] <zenrox> like loopback
[11:29] <cast> indeed, only not using cryptoloop
[11:29] <zenrox> probly not then
[11:29] <bestadvocate> wow i think synaptic crashed on me
[11:29] <waxhead> what's with ircnet these days?  I can't seem to connect anymore.. pity, coz the #linux was always fun..
[11:29] <bestadvocate> go figure
[11:29] <cast> zenrox: you have a stock kernel?
[11:29] <zenrox> yep
[11:30] <zenrox> hoary stock kernel
[11:30] <zenrox> but ya stock
[11:30] <cast> zenrox: mind running cat /proc/crypto |grep name|awk '{print $3}'|tr "\n" " "?
[11:30] <zenrox> came back with md5
[11:31] <zenrox> thats what you wanted to know
[11:31] <cast> indeed.
[11:32] <zenrox> welp i am off to bed
[11:32] <cast> what about ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/crypto|tr "\n" " "?
[11:32] <zenrox> night all
[11:32] <bestadvocate> night dude
[11:32] <cast> bah, alright. night dude
[11:32] <zenrox> ill run that then off to bed
[11:33] <zenrox> anubis.ko arc4.ko blowfish.ko cast5.ko cast6.ko crc32c.ko crypto_null.ko deflate.ko des.ko khazad.ko md4.ko michael_mic.ko serpent.ko sha1.ko sha256.ko sha512.ko tcrypt.ko tea.ko twofish.ko wp512.ko
[11:33] <zenrox> thare ya got cast
[11:33] <cast> ahh, cheers :>
[11:33] <zenrox> night
[11:36] <jono> hi all, is inotify included in the default ubuntu kernels?
[11:53] <wmealing> anyone know if the ppc live CD boots ?
[12:10] <scoon> hey all, are there cpu specific deb's besides kernel's and gcc ?
[12:11] <scoon> for example, would there be firefox-i686.deb and firefox-i386.deb ?
[12:12] <Lathiat> scoon: not generally, they are usually only made where it really counts
[12:12] <scoon> Lathiat, thank you.  I thought that, but just wanted to double check.
[12:13] <Lathiat> scoon: in general it doesnt make much of a difference
[12:13] <cast> apt-build might be something you want to look into
[12:13] <cast> not that id bother personally, for some imaginary practical difference :>
[12:13] <cast> [if this were #gentoo id be being flamed right now :x]
[12:14] <Lathiat> you would never have made it in the door in the frist place
[12:14] <Lathiat> they can smell those binary packagers from a mile away!
[12:17] <Kyuuketsuki> ubuntu 64 sucks!!!
[12:17] <Parallax> hi anyone can tell me a web where i can read about sharing my internet with ubuntu??
[12:17] <Kyuuketsuki> i cant get into GDM and it messed up GRUB
[12:17] <niptac> does anyone know of any medical software for ubuntu?
[12:18] <Setite>  why did it mess up grub
[12:18] <cast> niptac: i think theres a medical distro, based off debian, might be a live cd [/OT]
[12:18] <Setite> ubuntu32 has no problems
[12:18] <Setite> a medical distro
[12:18] <Setite> wtf
[12:18] <niptac> cast: wow cool do you know the name of the distro?
[12:18] <cast> hey, dont ask me, i just read the descript :x
[12:19] <Setite> im reinstalling ubuntu64 for the 3rd time so i can select a really low resolution...
[12:19] <Setite> anyone know how i can fix GRUB once i get it running
[12:19] <cast> lmao, no, unfortunately ive forgotten. have no use for such things see :/
[12:19] <niptac> I heard once of GnuMed but cant find it in synaptic anywhere
[12:20] <Setite> whats medical about it
[12:21] <cast> Setite: i have little idea,
[12:21] <Setite> do you know how to repair grub
[12:21] <cast> niptac: get the source and make your own .deb, its easy :>
[12:21] <Setite> my choices are to repair it or wipe the drive and give up on ubuntu
[12:21] <cast> Setite: id just reinstall grub in the mbr
[12:21] <Setite> because i need mym windows
[12:21] <cast> Setite: need for what?
[12:22] <Setite> gaming
[12:22] <Setite> cedega doesnt have surround sound
[12:22] <Setite> not for games
[12:22] <cast> pffffft.
[12:22] <Setite> hey im used to playing CS in surround sound... it wont be the same without it
[12:23] <niptac> here it is I think I found it cast: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med/
[12:23] <Bonghi> Hi all, I'm partitioning... may I ask some questions?
[12:24] <snowblink> niptac: apt-cache search med
[12:24] <niptac> good idea ;)
[12:24] <cast> aptitude search med- even :o
[12:24] <Bonghi> I'm trying to overwrite a fedora core 3 installation in a dual boot with win2000
[12:25] <cast> good call, i never noticed that. only searched for medicine and medic
[12:25] <Gusto_> Bonghi: overwrite it with what?
[12:25] <Setite> win2k
[12:25] <Setite> fc3 sucks
[12:25] <Setite> ha
[12:26] <Bonghi> I would like Ubuntu... (i have the 5.4 installer)
[12:26] <Setite> plus windows nemesis 2.0 is actually quite good considering
[12:26] <randabis-laptop> haven't used windows in a while
[12:27] <stuNNed> Setite: considering what?
[12:28] <Setite> that it is windows xp
[12:28] <Setite> its a stripped and streamlined windows xp
[12:28] <Bonghi> now i have 3 partitions on ide1: #1 ntfs 80 gig #2 ext3(booter) 110 meg #3 lvm 42 gig
[12:28] <Setite> optimized to hell
[12:29] <stuNNed> Setite: and what does ubuntu linux have to do with a stripped down streamlined windows xp?
[12:29] <Setite> nothing
[12:29] <Setite> and i would like to install ubuntu 64... but if i cant grub to let me run windows then ubuntu has to go
[12:29] <cast> Bonghi: microsoft wrote a remving linux howto. read that perhaps
[12:29] <Setite> cant get grub*
[12:30] <Setite> i may have to... i want to dual boot... especially to play games in cedega... but i want windows too...
[12:30] <Bonghi> If i delete partition #3 is there any way to set ubuntu recognize #2 as space for the booter and use free space in #3 for new installation?
[12:30] <stuNNed> Bonghi: sure
[12:31] <Bonghi> cast: i don't want to get rid of linux: I just got in the game!
[12:32] <cast> Bonghi: oh, i thought you meant overwrite it with win2k, but that was Setite's comment not yours
[12:32] <randabis-laptop> you could leave the current paritition alone Bonghi...you just need to format them and set the mount points
[12:32] <Setite> me neither... i like ubuntu... i have ubuntu32 on my shit rig and i like it...
[12:32] <randabis-laptop> just format 2 and 3
[12:32] <Setite> but certain things are too difficult in linux at the present time
[12:32] <randabis-laptop> and set the mount points of /boot and /
[12:33] <cast> Bonghi: indeed, dont fsck with the partitions, just mkfs again
[12:33] <stuNNed> Setite: then RTFM
[12:33] <Setite> rtfm means nothing more than rtfm to me
[12:33] <randabis-laptop> I think you should make a home partition too, but that's my own preference
[12:34] <Bonghi> should I prepare those partitions before entering the installer (via some live-cd) or does it hadle it?
[12:34] <Setite> i have ubuntu 64... and a bfg 6800gt...
[12:34] <Setite> i cannot get x-server to run
[12:35] <randabis-laptop> Bonghi, it handles it
[12:35] <hizz> hey does anyone know how to get the gaim icon back in the taskbar?
[12:35] <randabis-laptop> just do manual partitioning
[12:35] <snowblink> hizz: add notifications applet
[12:35] <stuNNed> hizz: think it's in the gaim prefs
[12:35] <Setite> how do i reconfigure xserver or repair it or update it from the doslike CLI
[12:35] <hizz> oh notifications
[12:35] <stuNNed> Setite: did you try installing the nvidia 64 drivers?
[12:35] <hizz> ahh thanks =)
[12:35] <Setite> im not sure
[12:36] <Setite> just ran the installer
[12:36] <randabis-laptop> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:36] <Setite> i figured it would automatically work to some degree
[12:36] <Bonghi> ok, then I remove both #2 and #3 then have it use the free space as default. Correct?
[12:36] <stuNNed> Setite: afaik there are 32bit drivers and 64bit drivers as well =)
[12:36] <Setite> ah thats the command i couldnt remember
[12:36] <Setite> dpkg-reconfigure
[12:36] <Setite> xorg?
[12:36] <Setite> not xfree86
[12:36] <Setite> i am using warty
[12:36] <randabis-laptop> Bonghi, you don't need to remove them, you only need to format them and set the mount points
[12:37] <Setite> from the free printed cd
[12:37] <randabis-laptop> xfree86 then
[12:37] <hizz> should i use dpkg or apt-build to compile from source?
[12:37] <Setite> ok
[12:37] <socketbind> howdy, I can't print any job that is over around >600kbytes under cups
[12:37] <socketbind> i had the same problems on the previous distros
[12:38] <socketbind> i have a HP PSC 750
[12:38] <scoon> is there a "preferred" way to switch from gcc3.3.5 to gcc3.4.4, all i did was change where /usr/bin/gcc points.
[12:38] <Bonghi> I go and check the installer to see if I'm able to set mount points. Is there anything I could read?
[12:38] <stuNNed> socketbind: did you check cups config files for print size limit or something?
[12:38] <socketbind> foomatic generated a ppd file for it
[12:38] <socketbind> hmm
[12:38] <socketbind> now you mentioned :D
[12:38] <stuNNed> Bonghi: it's pretty automatic in teh installer, no?
[12:39] <stuNNed> socketbind: might be a security issue or something or a feature =)
[12:39] <socketbind> :D
[12:39] <chrissturm> is there a nice mysql frontend in ubuntu that can execute queries?
[12:39] <socketbind> i had the very same problem with previous distros
[12:39] <socketbind> the very same
[12:39] <Bonghi> I don't know... never installed ubuntu before ;-)
[12:40] <Hwolf> When will the next array be out?
[12:40] <stuNNed> chrissturm: phpmyadmin afaik but would't use it for security reasons, up to you though
[12:40] <stuNNed> Bonghi: yes, the installer does it for you then.
[12:40] <socketbind> so i don't know what to do with it, i never fixed this issue
[12:40] <chrissturm> stunned: i would prefer a gtk app to a webapp
[12:40] <scoon> chrissturm, how about phpMyAdmin
[12:40] <socketbind> no limit is set
[12:40] <stuNNed> chrissturm: i'm sure there is, saw one somewhere, just can't remember.
[12:40] <zeedo> chrissturm: http://www.mysqlfront.de/
[12:40] <chrissturm> is mergeant any good?
[12:40] <Bonghi> ok... i go and try! (on an other pc) thanks
[12:41] <stuNNed> Bonghi: good luck!
[12:41] <scoon> chrissturm, what about by CLI ?
[12:41] <socketbind> hmm any idea? there is no limit on the size of the jobs
[12:41] <socketbind> KLimit 0
[12:41] <Bonghi> may the "ubuntu" be with me... :-)
[12:41] <stuNNed> socketbind: did you check the cups logfiles, they are pretty verbose.
[12:41] <stuNNed> Bonghi: LOL :)
[12:42] <socketbind> i don't see any errors...
[12:42] <scoon> is there a "preferred" way to switch from gcc3.3.5 to gcc3.4.4, all i did was change where /usr/bin/gcc points.
[12:42] <socketbind> oh there's something
[12:42] <socketbind> PID 7563 stopped with status 3
[12:42] <socketbind> hmm i'll raise the debug level
[12:43] <Setite> ok xserver still wont run
[12:43] <Setite> or GDM
[12:44] <stuNNed> socketbind: also there is a cups web frontend, something like http://<IP_ADDRESS>:631 afaik
[12:44] <hizz> ive seen screenshots of really nice linux desktops with an irc client basically integrated into the desktop, anyone know which one can do that?
[12:44] <Setite> stunned any ideas
[12:45] <stuNNed> Setite: install amd64 drivers, modprobe nvidia, then run 'X -configure' maybe?
[12:45] <Setite> it goes bla
[12:45] <Setite> ok how do i install them...
[12:45] <Setite> from CLI
[12:45] <cast> hizz: irssi running in a transparent eterm with its wm stacking set to bottom and sticky?
[12:45] <stuNNed> Setite: all of this in console, of course
[12:45] <hizz> um, exactly =)
[12:45] <cast> oh, and of course with its window border turned off
[12:45] <hizz> ill try that
[12:45] <stuNNed> Setite: keys ctrl+alt+f1 then kill your x session from there
[12:45] <socketbind> i see a bunch of aborted jobs on the frontend, i already knew stuNNed, now i'm anaylising the error file
[12:45] <socketbind> raised the log level to debug
[12:46] <cast> hizz: irssi in a transparent eterm, is nice at any rate :>
[12:46] <Setite> what command to install amd64 drivers
[12:46] <randabis-laptop> aterm, and Terminal also do that...gnome-terminal does too to an extent
[12:46] <hizz> =)
[12:47] <stuNNed> Setite: read the README that comes with the drivers, did you install amd64 ubuntu or i386?
[12:47] <Setite> amd64ubuntu
[12:47] <Setite> i ordered 10 of each
[12:47] <stuNNed> Setite: and if you choose to use the nvidia installer make sure you don't have ubuntu's nvidia packages installed.
[12:47] <cast> not that i use x...or anything filthly like that... *hides and watchs movie with mplayer -vo fbdev*
[12:48] <Setite> ill choose whatever works... and is easiest as im not all the good at this
[12:48] <Setite> that*
[12:48] <Setite> has anyone had this problem
[12:48] <Setite> i dotn see why it wont run with whatever installs by default
[12:49] <randabis-laptop> Setite, not sure if it is different on AMD64, but you'd do this
[12:49] <randabis-laptop> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[12:49] <randabis-laptop> sudo nvidia-glx-configure enable
[12:49] <scoon> is there a "preferred" way to switch from gcc3.3.5 to gcc3.4.4, all i did was change where /usr/bin/gcc points.
[12:49] <randabis-laptop> then restart x
[12:49] <DagaZ> anyone here using evolution in 4.10?
[12:50] <socketbind> a bunch of entires with PID xxxx stopped with status 3
[12:50] <socketbind> nothing informative :(
[12:51] <socketbind> and the job get immediately cancelled
[12:51] <socketbind> Error closing the renderer...
[12:52] <stuNNed> socketbind: groups.google.com for the status 3 error message?
[12:52] <socketbind> i believe that 3 means "Error closing renderer"
[12:52] <socketbind> but what sort of postscript renderer it uses?
[12:54] <socketbind> a bunch of people has the same problems with hpoj drivers
[12:54] <socketbind> "hpoj is already the newest version."
[12:54] <Setite> apt is not working right
[12:55] <randabis-laptop> how so?
[12:55] <Setite> it reads depencies and all that
[12:55] <Setite> and does nothing
[12:55] <Setite> doesnt install anything
[12:55] <stuNNed> apt-get -f install
[12:55] <stuNNed> ?
[12:55] <Setite> ill try that next
[12:56] <stuNNed> socketbind: hpoj or hpijs?
[12:56] <socketbind> they're not the same stuNNed
[12:56] <stuNNed> ah ok then, sorry.
[12:57] <socketbind> hpoj is only for device connection
[12:58] <Setite> whoa wtf
[12:58] <Setite> it says
[12:58] <socketbind> can you name for me an app that uses cups natively? not through the lpr "emulation"?
[12:58] <Setite> nv sata : Primary Device added
[12:58] <Setite> nv sata : Primary Device removed
[12:58] <Setite> same for secondary
[12:58] <Setite> like a thousand time
[12:58] <Setite> s
[12:59] <Setite> ok how do i fix grub so i can get back into windows
[12:59] <Setite> i will deal with this problem later
[01:01] <socketbind> geez i totally don't get it
[01:01] <socketbind> i had the same problems on all recent distros
[01:01] <socketbind> the cups versions very all around the same version
[01:01] <socketbind> hpoj, cups is the most fresh, i cant believe the problem persists
[01:02] <socketbind> i liked cups before but now it drives me nuts!
[01:02] <socketbind> on the cups.bugs newsgroup only there is only one report
[01:02] <socketbind> with no replies or whatsoever
[01:03] <socketbind> something ghostscript related i presume
[01:04] <Setite> ok imma repair the MBR and say goodbye to ubuntu... it should run without problems fromt eh installation
[01:04] <hizz> anyone have any luck with java?
[01:04] <hizz> i keep getting dpkg errors
[01:06] <Parallax> can anyone tell me how to share internet ??
[01:06] <socketbind> coyote linux for instance
[01:06] <socketbind> it is a little floppy distro
[01:07] <scoon> hizz, no.  I just dl'd java5 from sun and put it in /opt
[01:07] <socketbind> put it in /usr/java scoon!
[01:07] <hizz> so i shouldnt do it the way they describe on the ubuntu site?
[01:07] <scoon> socketbind, not for me.  I have my "non-deb" stuff in /opt
[01:08] <socketbind> ok scoon, but java MUST be in /usr/java believe me
[01:08] <socketbind> if it didn't works for you in opt
[01:08] <scoon> hizz, I am NOT saying to not do it that way.  I have just had better luck with sun's
[01:08] <scoon> socketbind, why MUST it go there ?
[01:08] <hizz> well i'm not having any luck with this way =)
[01:08] <socketbind> i don't know scoon, if i didn't put it there it does not works for me properly, it is the preferred way
[01:09] <socketbind> i have multiple jdk's and if i don't install them there
[01:09] <scoon> socketbind, what do you mean by not work properly ?
[01:09] <socketbind> they are errouneus
[01:09] <socketbind> they isn't detected some weird errors
[01:09] <socketbind> i can't remember them
[01:09] <scoon> socketbind, still kinda vague.  anyway, i bet your problem is with gdm.
[01:09] <socketbind> plainly just not working
[01:09] <scoon> not java
[01:10] <hizz> argh
[01:10] <scoon> by default, ubuntu sets gdm to not read any local setup files like xsession or xinitrc.
[01:10] <hizz> Removing sun-j2sdk1.5.0 ...
[01:10] <hizz> rm: cannot remove `/usr/bin/apt': No such file or directory
[01:10] <hizz> dpkg: error processing sun-j2sdk1.5.0 (--purge):
[01:10] <hizz>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[01:10] <hizz> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:10] <hizz>  sun-j2sdk1.5.0
[01:10] <hizz> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:10] <socketbind> with gdm? what printing has to do with gdm?
[01:10] <socketbind> hmm upgraded ghostscript let's see
[01:10] <scoon> gdm and java.  not printing.
[01:10] <socketbind> then what has to do gdm with java?
[01:11] <scoon> socketbind, gdm sets your PATH for you.
[01:11] <socketbind> ooh, I used to set the path in .profile or .bash_profile
[01:11] <scoon> socketbind, so if you wanted to set up you CLASSPATH, you need something like .xsession or .xinitrc.
[01:11] <scoon> socketbind, yes and they only get read when you fire up a terminal.
[01:12] <scoon> eh
[01:12] <scoon> whatever.
[01:12] <scoon> anyway, java works just fine in /opt
[01:12] <hizz> damnit java broke apt-get
[01:12] <scoon> hizz, apt-get check
[01:12] <hizz> dependencies are ok...
[01:12] <socketbind> for me .bash_profile and .profile gets in effect immediately, i just need to log out and in scoon
[01:12] <hizz> but everytime i install something now it gives me errors about java
[01:13] <socketbind> i used it like that now from a long time
[01:13] <scoon> socketbind, do you do any java programming ?
[01:14] <socketbind> scoon: yes
[01:14] <scoon> socketbind, ever use java-gnome ?
[01:14] <scoon> socketbind, http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/bin/view
[01:14] <socketbind> never, i don't know it but I use gnome from the begging
[01:14] <socketbind> ehm beginning
[01:15] <scoon> socketbind, check that out and try to run one of the very trivial examples using either eclipse or netbeans.
[01:15] <windowsuser> java gnome
[01:15] <scoon> socketbind, you when then discover what gdm has to do with java.
[01:15] <socketbind> these are java bindings, i only use swing
[01:16] <windowsuser> swing
[01:16] <scoon> socketbind, ok.  never mind then.  swing is ok.  but the stuff that java-gnome is doing is pretty sweet.  and interesting as well.
[01:16] <windowsuser> is it?
[01:16] <windowsuser> how so?
[01:17] <socketbind> okay scoon i didn't knew that you want to make java-gnome to work
[01:17] <socketbind> sorry
[01:17] <scoon> socketbind, mine works.  but it just illustrates what gdm has to do w/ java.
[01:17] <windowsuser> dingleberries
[01:17] <scoon> from an env stand point.
[01:17] <scoon> cya all.
[01:17] <socketbind> well and for hizz, better install it from the self extracting archive (not the rpm one)
[01:18] <windowsuser> installing windows nemesis 2.0
[01:18] <socketbind> this is the only thing what i didn't do from premade package
[01:18] <socketbind> calm down windowsuser
[01:18] <windowsuser> i couldnt figure out how to repair my MBR
[01:18] <windowsuser> so i had no other choice
[01:18] <socketbind> oh
[01:18] <socketbind> what was the problem? what bootloader?
[01:19] <windowsuser> GRUB
[01:19] <windowsuser> it didnt add windows to teh list
[01:19] <glassloop123> test hi all...this is myfirst time using ubuntu :)
[01:19] <glassloop123> and first time join this channel :)
[01:19] <socketbind> congratulations :D lol
[01:19] <windowsuser> what are you saying glassloop... its all in characters
[01:19] <housetier> welcome glassloop123
[01:19] <windowsuser> haha
[01:19] <glassloop123> :)
[01:20] <glassloop123> thanks..
[01:20] <socketbind> and it would be that hard to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst windowsuser?
[01:20] <windowsuser> but yea ill try installing ubuntu when hoary goes public
[01:20] <socketbind> a 3 liner entry and it would work
[01:20] <socketbind> i don't use windows, but I remember it was that easy
[01:21] <windowsuser> well when i asked how to fix it about 15 mins ago no one spoke up
[01:21] <windowsuser> leaving me to my own devices
[01:21] <windowsuser> so i wiped the ubuntu partition clean... and im reinstalling windows
[01:21] <socketbind> ok then install windoze
[01:21] <socketbind> welcome to hell
[01:21] <windowsuser> nah its not as bad as regular XP... and on a fast PC its even better
[01:21] <socketbind> i used to dualboot it before but it was killing my nerves
[01:22] <windowsuser> on this PC i have no choice but to use ubuntu
[01:22] <hizz> you guys bother with antivirus programs for linux?
[01:22] <windowsuser> because its slow
[01:22] <windowsuser> nah hizz dont bother
[01:22] <socketbind> clamav, but there isn't much native viruses that works properly hizz!
[01:22] <socketbind> they're just too specific to the system
[01:23] <socketbind> i still don't get it
[01:24] <socketbind> this renderer exit stuff
[01:24] <socketbind> the job get immediately cancelled
[01:24] <housetier> maybe ghostscript has trouble
[01:25] <socketbind> already upgraded it...
[01:25] <socketbind> no effect on it
[01:25] <mz2> is there a way to change the calendar applet in the gnome-panel so that it'd show the week starting from monday?
[01:25] <mz2> Mon-Sun instead of Sun-Sat#
[01:25] <housetier> socketbind, what printer do you have?
[01:25] <Hwolf> Does anyone here know how a logitech dinovo keyboard would behave out of the box on ubuntu?
[01:26] <socketbind> i have an HP PSC 750 housetier
[01:26] <socketbind> using hpoj and hpijs
[01:26] <housetier> socketbind, that's a laser printer?
[01:26] <socketbind> not it's a multipurpose inkjet housetier
[01:26] <socketbind> PSC is short of Printer Scanner Copier
[01:26] <hizz> how do i start an eterm?
[01:27] <hizz> eterm doesnt seem to work
[01:27] <housetier> socketbind, are ALL printjobs cancelled or just some?
[01:27] <socketbind> around <600k they arent canncelled
[01:27] <socketbind> 5x 1,4meg job was canncelled
[01:28] <socketbind> Error closing renderer...
[01:28] <socketbind> i don'T get it
[01:28] <housetier> so just some
[01:28] <socketbind> any >600k gets cancelled
[01:28] <socketbind> something with the renderer which i believe is gs
[01:29] <socketbind> any idea housetier?
[01:29] <socketbind> i'm very close to show this machine who's the boss :D
[01:30] <housetier> socketbind, what kind of documents are those cancelled jobs? just pages from, say, openoffice, or pdf files, or...
[01:30] <socketbind> the pages are "feeded" from various programs through the legacy lpr "emulation", housetier
[01:31] <socketbind> i have cupsys-bsd installed so it should work...
[01:31] <socketbind> should
[01:31] <socketbind> i'm trying it with apps natively supporting cups
[01:31] <mz2> windowsuser, next time you should maybe resort to www.ubuntuguide.org before wiping out everything... :)
[01:33] <housetier> socketbind, on a side note, the word you were looking for was "fed" :)
[01:33] <socketbind> :D
[01:33] <socketbind> i'll fry this thing
[01:33] <socketbind> will fry it deeeeeep
[01:33] <housetier> ok
[01:33] <socketbind> why everything keeps using lpr
[01:33] <socketbind> grrr
[01:34] <windowsuser> mz2 perhaps
[01:34] <socketbind> now i'm trying to print a 38 page doc from oo
[01:34] <housetier> I don't have cupsys-bsd installed
[01:34] <housetier> I don't need it
[01:34] <socketbind> it's surely >600k
[01:35] <socketbind> and it starts!!!
[01:35] <windowsuser> but i like a few basic things to work out of the box... previous experience has shown that if it doesnt... the amoutn of problems in the future only multiplies... it just makes me think that 64bit ubuntu warty is messed up
[01:35] <socketbind> i'll kill this thing!
[01:35] <windowsuser> yay
[01:36] <socketbind> nearly everything works for me out of the
[01:36] <housetier> socketbind, so it seems something in cupsys-bsd does not work the way it should
[01:36] <socketbind> including this stup*d integrated ac'97 card
[01:36] <socketbind> hmm maybe
[01:36] <housetier> socketbind, as I don't know the real cause maybe we can come up with a workaround for the time being
[01:37] <dennis_> Hello
[01:37] <socketbind> i would like to heard about any workaround, housetier :D
[01:37] <housetier> socketbind, you could create pdf files "by hand" and print them from gpdf
[01:37] <housetier> works for me
[01:37] <Hwolf> Will a logitech dinovo keyboard work under linux?
[01:37] <mz2> nah, ubuntu is really one of the few linux distros where you generally don't have to put up with annoying little compromises and problems with setting up things (well maybe apart from that dual boot which doesn't seem to be automatically done always :)
[01:37] <socketbind> you mean those "extra buttons" on it?
[01:38] <socketbind> hmm, i want to print a pdf ...
[01:38] <socketbind> something very bad about lpr...
[01:38] <dennis_> does anyone know how to install a hoarty package under warty? i need to get fglrx working on my amd64
[01:38] <socketbind> now i see the log and all ok
[01:38] <housetier> socketbind, I open any pdf and click on the "print" icon yes, then I select the network printer and print it
[01:38] <housetier> Hwolf, you won't know until you try :D
[01:38] <socketbind> something very bad about lpr
[01:39] <housetier> so don't bother yourself with lpr
[01:39] <housetier> move forward
[01:39] <socketbind> ok housetier, but firefox, acroread etc uses lpr
[01:39] <socketbind> it still uses it
[01:40] <Hwolf> housetier: I'd rather not buy a 180 euro keyboard to find out it doesn't work.
[01:41] <cast> 180 euro? that that ms bluetooth set?
[01:41] <cast> ahh, logitech
[01:41] <cast> id pay 180$ for a cordless keyboard on a few conditions:
[01:42] <cast> it was long range. it specified in detail its encryption implentation, and i agreed with it. it was long range :)
[01:43] <nightwolf> Hwolf, http://linux.yes.nu/diNovo/
[01:49] <Guardiann> good morning
[01:51] <LinuxJones> hi everybody :)
[01:53] <Guardiann> LinuxJones hello
[01:53] <Guardiann> kinda quiet in here
[01:53] <linux_mafia> anyone using streamtuner under hoary? mine segfaults immediately
[01:56] <LinuxJones> yeah it sure is :D
[02:00] <housetier> Hwolf, if it doesn't you can return it
[02:03] <hizz> anyone here use skype?
[02:04] <Guybrush|numb> me
[02:04] <hizz> did you install from source or rpm?
[02:04] <Guybrush|numb> qt2 binary
[02:04] <hizz> ah ok
[02:05] <dennis_> is hoary installable?
[02:06] <njan> dennis_, what do you mean?
[02:06] <njan> dennis_, I'm running hoary right now..
[02:06] <LinuxJones> dennis_, Yes, but you can never be 100% sure :D
[02:06] <dennis_> njan how did you install it?
[02:07] <dennis_> i used to run debian unstable so i dont mind a few problems
[02:07] <Guardiann> dennis_ I upgraded from warty
[02:07] <hizz> is it just me or are the ubuntuforums pretty slow
[02:08] <dennis_> Guardiann, any problems?
[02:08] <Guardiann> nope a sound problem at the beginning but that was 3 weeks ago
[02:09] <dennis_> cool i might give it ago
[02:10] <Guardiann> i like it
[02:10] <dennis_> i need the latest ATI drivers so i need to upgrade
[02:11] <Guybrush|numb> dennis_ what's the connection between ati drivers and not being able to use warty ?
[02:12] <Guardiann> dennis_ just be warned tho some have had problems with hoary cause its still in developement
[02:14] <dennis_> Guybrush|numb, im running an AMD64 based pc and only the latest ati drivers support this platform and warty has some older drivers, so ive got to upgrade
[02:16] <Guybrush|numb> dennis_ i thought you could simply install the newer drivers on warty, but maybe i'm wrong
[02:16] <dennis_> Guybrush|numb, i dont really know how
[02:17] <dennis_> Guybrush|numb, but i know how to upgrade everything ;)
[02:18] <Guybrush|numb> dennis_ i see :) I have zero experience on AMD64 but i installed latest ATI drivers from here (http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html) on warty for my radeon9600
[02:19] <Menu> hello all
[02:19] <Guardiann> hello Menu
[02:20] <dennis_> oh i used to use that on debian. thie thing is i dont want to have to mess about seting up the kernel and compiling the drivers
[02:20] <Menu> i am looking for some help with  the ubuntu ppc live CD, is this the right place?
[02:20] <Guardiann> Menu its the right place not sure if anyone is awake to help tho
[02:21] <Menu> ah ok, no europeans here : )
[02:21] <Rattboi> Menu, I've used it
[02:21] <Rattboi> but I wouldn't say I'm a guru about it...
[02:21] <Rattboi> worked for me pretty well though
[02:23] <Menu> Ill try my question then, the ppc live cd starts up with a 640x480 resolution on my Apple G4, is there a way to get a higher resolution?
[02:23] <Guybrush|numb> dennis_ i see, i found the procedure easy enough and with kernel-package, it takes almost no work to update it :
[02:24] <Rattboi> Menu, did you try option+cmd+'+'?
[02:24] <Rattboi> something like that
[02:24] <Rattboi> I'm not sure how it's mapped exactly
[02:24] <Menu> what does that do?
[02:24] <Rattboi> on pc, it's ctrl+alt+'+'
[02:24] <dennis_> Menu, is that an X resolution or console?
[02:24] <Rattboi> I assume X res
[02:25] <Rattboi> maybe it's option+alt+'+
[02:25] <Menu> i would like to get a higher resolution in X
[02:25] <Rattboi> Menu, you might try the "Set Resolution" item in the menu also
[02:25] <mojo> MENU: Higher than what?  You know what your hw will support, right?
[02:25] <Rattboi> but sometimes that doesn't work quite right
[02:25] <dennis_> Menu, youll need to change the X config file to include the res you want
[02:26] <Rattboi> dennis_, he's on the live cd
[02:26] <mojo> menu: what dennis said
[02:26] <Menu> The set resolution option is locked to 640x480
[02:26] <mojo> menu: you need to specify all the resolutions in XFree86.conf or xorg.conf (as appropriate)
[02:26] <dennis_> Rattboi, ye i know thats a problem but thats what needs to be done ;P
[02:27] <dennis_> Menu, you may not be able to change the config though ;P
[02:30] <Menu> Rattboy what does ctrl+alt+'+' do?
[02:30] <mojo> menu: could be either that you're running a basic generic driver, or that you just need the resolution entries.  Do you know what video card you have, or is it motherboard video?
[02:30] <Menu> My hardware is ati radeon 8500 LE
[02:31] <dennis_> Menu, it askes the X server to change the resolution to another predefined resolution(as defined in the X config file)
[02:31] <hizz> can i get mp3 support distrowide?
[02:32] <dennis_> distrowide?
[02:32] <hizz> as in for rhythmbox, xmms, etc
[02:32] <Menu> so i do this when x is running, where can i find the x config file? (me new to linux)
[02:33] <mojo> menu: you can run either the generic ati driver or the drivers that ati released... the generic is "ati" and the vendor one is "fglrx"... (more 1 sec)
[02:33] <dennis_> yep youll need to be running X at the time for the keypress to take affect
[02:33] <Guardiann> hizz what do you mean distro wide
[02:33] <hizz> for all audio apps
[02:33] <dennis_> mojo i dont think fglrx works on other platforms
[02:33] <hizz> so i can open an mp3 in rhythmbox, xmms, or whatever program i have
[02:34] <Menu> mojo, so what do i type at the boot prompt? linux-powerpc video=ati ?
[02:34] <dennis_> hizz, i dont see why not
[02:34] <Guardiann> I think you only need the correct codecs
[02:34] <mojo> dennis: what platform is he? Maybe I came it to this late... he is not x86 or ia84/AMD64?
[02:34] <hizz> how would i do that? gstreamer?
[02:34] <trace> Hello room
[02:34] <hizz> hi
[02:35] <dennis_> mojo nope PPC
[02:35] <hizz> i have gstreamer-mad installed, but i cant play mp3s anywhere
[02:35] <Slaven> I'm trying to get timidity to work... but where's the timidity.cfg?
[02:35] <Guardiann> hizz there are a few codecs
[02:35] <dennis_> hizz, xmms will want mpg123 or 321 i think
[02:35] <trace> Quick question...My sound card isn't being detected how can I fix this...I'm new....
[02:35] <Guardiann> check here www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:35] <fuoco> does ubuntu use prelink?
[02:36] <mojo> menu: "cd /etc/X11" and then "ls".  See if you have a file either XFree86.conf or xorg.conf.  If you have BOTH then you can ls -l and see which is the most recently modified
[02:36] <mojo> menu: depending on which xserver you run, those are the config files for X.  If you're on warty u prob are using XFree86
[02:37] <Rattboi> mojo, I'm pretty sure he's on hoary live cd on ppc
[02:37] <dennis_> hizz xmms does not use gstreamer ;)
[02:37] <mojo> denns (thx - i missed the ppc part... he he)
[02:37] <dennis_> mojo, np
[02:37] <Menu> power pc G4 ati radeon 8500 LE
[02:38] <mojo> okay guys..  menu: sry i guess i just jumped in late to conversation.  even so this should be where your config lives.
[02:39] <mojo> menu: its an apple by chance?  (just curious)
[02:39] <Menu> yep its an apple
[02:40] <Menu> not the standard video card though got it from a friend who got it from ati caulse he is blender 3d developer
[02:41] <Rattboi> ati generic driver should still work...
[02:41] <mojo> menu: cool. gonna have to play with one of those some time... anyway, u r on livecd? I have not run the livecd but I am guessing thatit puts its configs in a ramdisk partition???  I mean, you can't rewrite the livecd...
[02:41] <Rattboi> maybe it's just not on the live cd
[02:41] <Rattboi> mojo, that's right
[02:41] <Menu> Rattboi, how di i start the ati generic driver?
[02:41] <mojo> or it didn't detect properly on that unit
[02:41] <Rattboi> Menu, it's not easy with the live cd
[02:42] <Rattboi> I've only played with it on an iBook, so that's pretty well known hardware
[02:42] <mojo> well menu, did you figure out which xserver it is running (xorg or xfree86), or someone else just up n know?
[02:42] <Rattboi> mojo, it'll be xorg
[02:42] <mojo> rattboi: ic
[02:42] <Rattboi> cause it's the hoary cd
[02:42] <Rattboi> recent hoary
[02:42] <Menu> on knoppix you can add "screen=1280x1024 at startup
[02:43] <Rattboi> Menu, so try that...
[02:43] <fuoco> does ubuntu use prelink?
[02:43] <Rattboi> fuoco, I've never heard that it does
[02:43] <Rattboi> so I don't think so
[02:43] <mojo> rattboi: k...  i been 'dist-upgrade'-ing along since warty and switched repositories, so my xorg move was a manual choce
[02:43] <Menu> did not work
[02:43] <fuoco> Rattboi: ok. because I heard it's very fast so i wondered what behind that
[02:44] <Rattboi> fuoco, I've not heard that it's really fast
[02:44] <Rattboi> but it's not slow
[02:44] <trace> I'm trying to config mt sound but I keep getting "Error while initializing the sound driver:
[02:44] <trace> device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such file or directory)
[02:44] <trace> The sound server will continue, using the null output device."
[02:44] <Rattboi> I use it on my 500mhz 128mb pc, and I can deal with it
[02:44] <Menu> i am now on macosx, ubuntu is not really usable on 640x480 for me so i don't know my x config
[02:44] <Guardiann> compared to fedora and suse its very fast ;)
[02:44] <ohgood> hmm, does ubuntu use coldplug for usb stuffs ?
[02:44] <Rattboi> Menu, go to command line for me real quick and run "lsmod"
[02:45] <Rattboi> hotplug
[02:45] <Menu> on osx?
[02:45] <Rattboi> nope
[02:45] <fuoco> Guardiann: i'm comparing with gentoo
[02:45] <Rattboi> on ubuntu
[02:45] <Menu> -bash: lsmod: command not found
[02:45] <Rattboi> sudo lsmod
[02:45] <mojo> menu, if you do a "more /etc/X11/xorg.conf" you will see a part that says 'Section "device"' followed by a couple lines like 'Identifier' and 'Driver' that list the name and driver for your card
[02:45] <Rattboi> ohgood, bwahaha
[02:46] <mojo> menu: more cmd pages text files, space to adv (just in case youneed that info)
[02:46] <ohgood> does ubuntu's default kernel support reiserfs ?
[02:47] <Rattboi> yeah
[02:47] <Menu> ok ill reboot into ubuntu and try and look that up, thanx for the help
[02:47] <Rattboi> ohgood, yeah
[02:47] <mojo> menu: k goodluck
[02:47] <ohgood> ah
[02:47] <Menu> tnx
[02:47] <mojo> menu: b here when u get back
[02:48] <ohgood> Rattboi: odd, i have either a) kernel panic unable to mount /dev/blah b) file not found; when i try to boot the default installation. - any pointers ?
[02:48] <Rattboi> hmm
[02:48] <Rattboi> not really...
[02:48] <Rattboi> you're installing Ubuntu?
[02:48] <ohgood> already done
[02:48] <Rattboi> and you had another partition from before?
[02:49] <Rattboi> a ReiserFS one?
[02:49] <ohgood> Rattboi: i have about 14, iirc
[02:49] <Rattboi> lol
[02:49] <mojo> any mouse gurus out there?  I know some mice can be told to switch modes, like 400/800dpi if supported, etc. Wonder if I can modify mine to stop sleeping so fast when it sits on dark part of mousemat, or maybe wake up faster.
[02:49] <mojo> heh... or i could just get a diff mousemat.  But i like my earthrise scene :(...
[02:50] <ohgood> i've cp'd over /boot/'s images to my /dev/hda1 (since the installer apparently didnt) but it just panics/errors stated above.
[02:51] <ohgood> no amount of fiddling with grub.conf can seem to boot a kernel correct, at least the one ubuntu installed(<IP_ADDRESS>-something)
[02:51] <ohgood> my 2.6.10 will load fine, but since i have 8139 as module, it's kinda pointless
[02:53] <ohgood> even worse, hotplug doesn't pick up ma mouse, so i'm stuck with no net, and no usable X. :(
[02:54] <mojo> ohgood ohno :<
[02:55] <ohgood> i am correct that vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 is default, right ?
[02:55] <verlucca> Hi
[02:56] <mojo> verlucca: no, been dry for a while ;-)
[02:56] <verlucca> Hoary doesn't recognize correctly my Matrox G200
[02:56] <Guardiann> ohgood on warty i think your correct
[02:56] <verlucca> Please, could you suggest me the correct driver?
[02:56] <ohgood> Guardiann: warty ?
[02:57] <Guardiann> ohgood isnt that what your using?
[02:57] <ohgood> bah, apparently so.
[02:58] <Guardiann> then you are correct
[02:58] <Guardiann> hoary uses 2.6.10
[02:58] <ohgood> ahh
[02:58] <ohgood> shoot, guess i'll have to wget 'hoary' then :(
[02:59] <Guardiann> hoary is classed as unstable
[02:59] <cocaxx> hi
[02:59] <Guardiann> hello
[02:59] <ohgood> Guardiann: no worry. i just one that works. i have other 'stables' here if it craps like 'warty' has so far. :)
[03:00] <cocaxx> Does sb. know where I can find the human gtk/metacity/... theme?
[03:06] <Guardiann> mw07 you could have just asked :)
[03:08] <invictus> how can I make a program launch everytime when I log into my user account under gnome?
[03:09] <chrissturm> add it to startup programs in "session properties"
[03:09] <invictus> okay...thanks
[03:09] <mojo> chrissturm: hey, i think i have a use for that too... cool.
[03:09] <saif> hello,
[03:10] <mojo> various benficient greetings be upon you, saif
[03:10] <ohgood> for the record- just wiped the ubuntu test partition, aparently not booting makes things suck x2
[03:11] <saif> guys, i just found a driver for my intel chipset graphics card, but it says it is for suse, rh ( rpm package )
[03:11] <saif> can i use the same driver for ubuntu?
[03:14] <jafari> hello all
[03:14] <saif> jafari: hello
[03:14] <sgtshatta> jafari: yo kid
[03:14] <jafari> hey sgtshatta whats going on homie
[03:15] <mojo> saif: i know there are wasys to get files from rpm out or to repkg as a deb, but not up on them.. depends i guess on what the file is... now that you know 'what' the driver is, have you looked for the homepage or something?  maybe a source tarball is a safer ans or there will b a forum?
[03:15] <jafari> hows linux treating you
[03:15] <sgtshatta> jafari: not much man where is that code
[03:15] <sgtshatta> jafari: linux is good stuff kid
[03:15] <jafari> ok ill send it to you
[03:15] <sgtshatta> jafari: kool
[03:17] <saif> mojo: i just downloaded the tarball and i donno what to do with the contents! :) there is a file called install.sh and a hell lot of directories
[03:19] <mojo> saif: there is usually a README or INSTALL file with some instructions.  Typical scenario is to extract it all into a directory (and let it build it's subdirectory tree)..  Then from the extracted-to directory you "./configure" to auto-config, then "make" to compile a buncha schtuff, then (as root or via sudo) "make install" if all went well with prev. 2 commands.
[03:20] <mojo> saif: for this all to work, you will likely have to have the development packages (sources installed) for your xserver and/or kernel
[03:20] <mojo> saif: u are on ubuntu... you getting graphics yet at all, with a generic driver?
[03:20] <saif> mojo: unfortunatly, there is no Install or readme file, ./configure the command was not found,
[03:21] <saif> mojo: i am on ubuntu, and it
[03:21] <saif> 's working fine
[03:21] <saif> mojo: only i need TV-OUT, so i though the driver from the vendor would do the trick
[03:21] <mojo> saif: that much is good (bein on ubuntu n workin). What is this driver? what is your hardware?
[03:22] <mojo> saif: hmm... haven't played with that but for ATI they refer you to the GATOS project for TV in (/out?)
[03:22] <saif> mojo: i have a toshibe sa30-303 with a intel chipset graphics card 852
[03:22] <saif> mojo: yes, i did c the ati package for tv-out, but i figured that wouldn't do for me!
[03:23] <mojo> saif: prob not ;)
[03:23] <mojo> saif: where'd you get this tarball from?
[03:23] <saif> mojo: from the intel site
[03:24] <mojo> can u paste a alink?  i'll look at it wit 'cha
[03:24] <saif> mojo: 1 min.,
[03:24] <chrissturm> how can i use "find" to delete all directories named .svn recursively?
[03:24] <saif> mojo: http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/filter_results.asp?strOSs=39&strTypes=DRV%2CARC&ProductID=922&OSFullName=Linux*&submit=Go%21
[03:25] <saif> mojo: thanx for helping, or trying to! :)
[03:25] <mojo> saif: bbiaf
[03:25] <chrissturm> saif: do you use hoary or warty?
[03:26] <saif> chrissturm: well, i installed warty, i donno about the updates i keep installing!
[03:26] <chrissturm> saif: ok. i was just asking because hoary's xorg has the intel drivers included
[03:27] <saif> chrissturm: really? cool! how can I get hoary?! is it final? or still testing?
[03:28] <chrissturm> saif: its still not marked as stable. dont use it if you arent ready for broken stuff. that said, i'm using it on 3 systems without problems
[03:29] <saif> chrissturm: cool, i would like to try it, where can i get it??
[03:29] <saif> chrissturm: on the download site i can only find warty
[03:29] <chrissturm> saif: theres a wiki page "upgrading to hoary"
[03:30] <saif> ok
[03:30] <chrissturm> basically you just replace warty with hoary in your sources.list
[03:31] <saif> chrissturm: speaking of which, i am running ubuntu on 2 computers, is there a way, to keep the downloaded packages somewhere, so that the 2 computers can use them? instead of downloading them again, and if i can copy them to a cd or seomthn?
[03:32] <LinuxJones> saif, you might want to look at apt-proxy
[03:33] <saif> linuxjones: is that a directory?
[03:34] <mojo> saif: it looks to me like the install.sh script will compile and install the drivers automagically.  But I cannot swear it will work for your system or not.  It looks like these are XFree86 drivers, not X.Org.  I would guess that you'll want to install the development files for XFree86 and your kernel (sources, headers, that is).  Try ./install.sh -v for verbose output if you want to see if flies.
[03:34] <LinuxJones> saif, >> http://apt-proxy.sourceforge.net/
[03:35] <mojo> saif: install.sh will, of course, need to be set executable.  Not sure about need for root..  Would guess it will build as user but need root to install... read guess as GUESS, he he
[03:36] <mojo> saif: then there is always just goin with hoary/xorg like chrissturm was a talkin there
[03:36] <saif> mojo: thanx, i will try now, if it doen't work, i'lll get XFree86
[03:37] <mojo> saif goodluck / learnsome / havefun
[03:37] <saif> mojo: yeah, but i donno i have my doubts about tv-out working on hoary instantly! :)
[03:37] <mojo> saif: you never know... there is alwasys the livecd... i think a new iso is out, hafta check
[03:37] <chrissturm> saif: did you check out this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/nv-tv-out/
[03:38] <chrissturm> saif: its said to be working with other chipsets than nvidia too
[03:39] <saif> chrissturm: nop, i didn't try anything unless it's intel driver!
[03:39] <saif> mojo: it just told me that the scipt will use the following xfree86 directory /usr/x11r6
[03:40] <saif> should i go on? or is there a possibility of fucking everything up?
[03:41] <mojo> um, use it for what, it's output?
[03:42] <mojo> saif: nuther minute...
[03:42] <saif> mojo: doens't say anything,
[03:42] <chrissturm> saif: go on
[03:43] <saif> chrissturm: u mean go on with the installation?
[03:43] <chrissturm> yeah
[03:43] <mojo> saif: it will put stuff there, but it LOOKS like it will have a back-out ability, i.e., i think it backs up the files it touches.  lemme doublecheck
[03:44] <saif> The script also needs to copy the DRM kernel modules to your
[03:44] <saif> kernel module directory.
[03:44] <saif> Please note that only 2.4.x kernels are supported right now.
[03:44] <saif> Kernel Version   : <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[03:44] <saif> Module Directory : /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[03:45] <saif> i guess it won't work afterall!
[03:45] <mojo> saif: i think it's gonna be undo-able...  I am not your expert though.. but i think it won't configure if an xserver is up and running.
[03:46] <saif> well, i finished,
[03:46] <ohgood> drm ?
[03:46] <saif> and it said i have to reboot!
[03:46] <mojo> saif: so ... o, IC...only 2.4.x kernels...
[03:46] <saif> restart X
[03:46] <saif> i'll c what will happen!
[03:46] <mojo> saif: um, you have way back here if x fails? i.e. irssi or sumthin?
[03:47] <firstknight> how to renew dhcp client???? sudo killall dhclient3.... then sudo dhclient3 screw up my postgresql server daemon.... and if I log out gnome and want to log in gnome again, I got blank brown screen...
[03:47] <saif> i'll go restart, yeah, my other computer! :)
[03:47] <saif> ipconfig /renew :)
[03:47] <mojo> Okay... no waranty expressed or implied, he he ;-)
[03:47] <saif> mojo: c ya!
[03:47] <firstknight> without reboot of course
[03:51] <mojo> LOL we can never have enough arrogance in a linux room he he
[03:51] <goldfish> heh
[03:52] <mojo> firstknight... not what saif said, that's the windows command
[03:52] <saif> yippi yey! it didn't work! nothin is destroyed!
[03:53] <saif> mojo: hehehe, sorry about that!
[03:53] <mojo> saif: drat (didn' work) n awesome (nothin destroyed).  You did find that the ./install-sh takes cmd-line options.   Hoary will be on X.Org xserver.  your x-server is the server that puts up the graphic screen for your clients (programs).  Not an over-the-wire server by necessity (though it does support remote programs drawing on your screen if you allow it)
[03:57] <saif> mojo: i am installing ubuntu on another machine at this time, and i just noticed that it is downloading xserver-xfree86
[03:57] <mojo> saif: Yeah, that's the one. You're installing from a warty cd?
[03:58] <saif> mojo: yes, but i am currenty downloading stuff from the net, it asked me if i want to , and i said yes, actually i typed it
[03:58] <saif> mojo: how do i know what server i am using for x?
[03:58] <mojo> saif: YMMV, of course, but I switched to the hoary repositories and upgraded
[03:59] <saif> mojo: well, that is what i will do next, started the downloading before knowing that i can do the hoary thingie
[03:59] <mojo> saif, off hand?  bring up synaptic, do search for xserver and see what is marked as installed.
[04:00] <saif> xfree86
[04:00] <mojo> saif: yeah, the /etc/apt/sources.list needs editing (or you can do it via Synaptic interface).
[04:01] <saif> mojo: yeah, ilooked for it on the wiki, and i got the page, will do it!
[04:02] <saif> mojo: but first i'll c what this apt-proxy is, so i wouldn't have to do it on 3 machines ( the downloading that is )
[04:02] <mojo> saif: so well that driver you had was intended for xfree86 but I was not sure it would work for you or not anyway... has a lot of tests for osname and lists lots of mandrake, suse, redhat but no ubuntu or debian. prob. for special configs, and defaults to some default otherwise. One day I am gonna do more than read shellscripts and learn to write them (he he)
[04:02] <mojo> saif: apt-proxy?  what's that?
[04:02] <daniela> #j: ubuntu-brt
[04:02] <Tux-Rox> Hello all, I am having trouble connecting to a networked printer. The printer is on a server running RHEL3 using CUPS and SAMBA. I can see the server when I browse the network and I can mount the NFS share, but I can't connect to the printer.
[04:03] <saif> mojo: well, it's supposed to save all the packages the are saved from clients for a single source for other clinets ( it acts like a mirrot for sources)
[04:03] <saif> mojo: donno nothin about it yet, have to do some reading!
[04:04] <mojo> saif: i googled up the homepage already http://apt-proxy.sourceforge.net/ (looks pretty cool, really... probably something you may want)
[04:04] <saif> mojo: http://apt-proxy.sourceforge.net/
[04:04] <mojo> saif: echo (he he)
[04:04] <saif> mojo: hehe
[04:05] <saif> mojo: yes, strange y they don't have that on the ubuntu distro
[04:06] <mojo> saif: wonder if it's in marillat (a debian repository)...
[04:06] <saif> mojo: xorg? how to get?
[04:06] <tritium> saif, in Hoary
[04:06] <saif> mojo: donno, how can i get a list of all the repostories?1
[04:07] <mojo> saif: it is in the hoary repositories
[04:07] <saif> mojo: like the debian pages, have the apache mono thing, but the ubuntu and univeral don't!
[04:08] <saif> mojo: and i keep downloadin packages manually, and dpkgin them, i'm sure debian have a repository i can use in synaptic,
[04:08] <saif> mojo: this hoary seems pretty cool,
[04:08] <mojo> saif: your /etc/apt/sources.list shows what ones your system is aware of. I suppose *anyone* could put up a repository for you to link to.  Marillat is jst one that's referred to for some extras so I've followd instrux to add to my list
[04:09] <mojo> saif: i likeit
[04:09] <bretzel> Hi all, Yesterday  I did an up-to-date through synaptic ( hoary pkgs ) and now I randomly boot xorg in 640x400 screen mode ... I have to restart xorg to go back to my fav. res ( 1600x1200 ) - I don't think removing resolution list in xorg.conf is a good idea --- any hints ?
[04:10] <mojo> lol bretzel no removing list is prob not best answer...
[04:10] <mojo> bretzel, so it works on a restart?!?
[04:11] <bretzel> mojo: og course :-) ( ctrl-alt-backspace) it is not that much annoying tho :-) but since I like to learn, I am asking for some hints ...:-)
[04:13] <bretzel> btw: I read yesterday that (hoary)xorg and nvidia-glx normally works sell but I still have loads of "unresolved symbols" from modules load if I run xorg with "nvidia" ...
[04:13] <kzm> Ahem.
[04:13] <zenwhen> Hmm
[04:14] <kzm> Anybody using tetex on warty?
[04:14] <bretzel> sell: ( grrr read well)
[04:14] <mojo> bretzel... strange.... u on hoary or warty? on hoary try Desktop | Administration | Screen Resolution.  Don't know where to find same on Warty.  There should be an option (if memory serves) to make the chosen resolution the default for this computer.  I bet it puts something in the xfree86.conf or xorg.conf, cuz normally it should automatically try to boot in best available resolutinl
[04:14] <saif> ctrl+alt+bk sp!!
[04:14] <saif> didn't whay it does
[04:14] <saif> so i tried it
[04:14] <saif> restarts@@
[04:14] <mojo> saif: fun huh?
[04:15] <mojo> saif: yeah, resets whole x-server
[04:15] <saif> mojo: should have some warning before doing thaat!
[04:15] <mojo> saif: can be kinda rude. May leave programs in bground "detached".
[04:15] <bretzel> mojo: yes, I went to the screen res admin the frist time I've booted in 640x400, That was the only res. available :-)
[04:16] <mojo> saif: warning from what?  It's a form of a three-finger-salute for the x-server, used in panic. I guess a "hey, you meant that?" is not a bad suggestion though.
[04:17] <bretzel> btw: It is funny : my TTX 17" monitor can do 1900x1400 :-) :-) but I prefer to stay @1600 ...
[04:17] <saif> mojo: smethn like r u sure u want to restart??
[04:17] <mojo> bretzel: I bet it snuck something in your .config file that tells it to use that res by default. You may have to hunt the file for it if u can't un-set that option
[04:17] <kzm> bretzel: did you look at the output of X (/var/log/XFree.0.log or something)
[04:18] <saif> is there a key thing that does shows running processes?? like ctrl alt del on windows?
[04:18] <bretzel> mojo: bah.... When hoary will be offcially released, I wall re-install it from scratch anyway...
[04:18] <mojo> saif: but then, if you MEAN to do ctrl-alt-bs then there's a good chance x needs it cuz it's all gerfarbulled up anyway, making a warning or whatever not likely to display
[04:18] <kzm> saif: top?
[04:18] <mojo> bretzel, um, my understanding is april
[04:18] <kzm> saif: or do you want to show processes with windows?
[04:18] <saif> with windows
[04:19] <bretzel> kzm: no, only when I try nvidia accel driver that reports unresolved symbols....
[04:19] <bretzel> mojo: Yes, april :-)
[04:19] <kzm> saif: well, there's the window selector applet for the panel....
[04:20] <kzm> saif: I was sure there was a cmd line util to list X windows as well, but I forgot its name
[04:20] <mojo> bretzel: Ubuntu is 'scheduled' for 6-month update intervals to co-incide with GNOME projects schedule (methinks).  Warty was 4.10 (2004.10th-month), Hoary is to be 5.04 ('05, Apr)
[04:20] <saif> kzm: well, what i want is a key sequence that displays a window like the task manager inwindows, shows running processes, and to force quit 1, if somethn happens,
[04:20] <mojo> kzm I thnk u r right but i don't know 'em either
[04:20] <bretzel> BTW: When up-to-date pkgs, I noticed that I've got XDamage; scompmngr, but dunno if it is still buggy/laggy/slow-hell ---
[04:21] <kzm> bretzel, look and see if it doesn't tell you why it ignores a bunch of modes... you probably have the wrong info about your monitor or something
[04:21] <bretzel> xcompmngr --- full of thumbs again
[04:21] <mojo> saif:  check out xbindkeys to set up hotkeys for whatevertheheckuwant
[04:22] <saif> mojo: whatevertheheckiwantanddonnowhatitis!
[04:22] <kzm> saif: xkill will kill windows (and usually their process)
[04:22] <mojo> saif: u configure it and have it run on your login (add to session in session mgr). it intercepts keystrokes and mouse events upstream so youcan hotkey whatever
[04:22] <bretzel> kzm: As I said, I giveup what that resolution first boot, since I know I can take back the normal res, I prefer to focus on nvidia-glx probs...
[04:22] <mojo> saif: try a pkill -u $USER for self-destructive fun (kills all proc's runnin owned by $USER (you)
[04:23] <saif> mojo, kzm: ok thanks,
[04:23] <mojo> saif: the pkill will act like that ctl-alt-bs but won't leave any stuff hidin in bground
[04:25] <saif> i'll go do some reading and get the aptproxy then try hoary, anywyas, i guess i don't really need anything to kill prcesses since, nothin has hanged without the system figuring a way to kill it!
[04:25] <mojo> bretzel i loaded 3ddesk to play with... is fun but resource consumptive... set on xbindkeys hotkey to activate, gives me a 3-d carousel to switch workspaces from. Really slick, I must say...  but piggy little screenhack
[04:25] <mojo> saif: cool take care then, if you're checkin out
[04:26] <bretzel> mojo: When in Warty and nvidia-glx working, I tried 3ddesktop: and yes it is a very cool deskswitcher .....
[04:26] <saif> bye thanks for the info!
[04:26] <mojo> bretzel: ain'tit though?
[04:26] <saif> oh i was wondering
[04:26] <mojo> saif: peace
[04:27] <saif> how the heck do the ubuntu ppl get money!??! shipping and printing and develooping and everything?!
[04:27] <mojo> e-Jah quit?  who will the e-Rasta's pray to?
[04:27] <saif> and it's free!
[04:27] <bretzel> mojo: I think I am missing right modules version, when i run xwindow with nvidia-glx driver, i get unressoved symbols ...
[04:27] <altan> saif: a guy who has 500 million dollars :)
[04:27] <saif> well, they can  pray to me,
[04:28] <LinuxJones> altan, I wish I had 500 dollars :D
[04:28] <mojo> Saif: M. Shuttleworth made MILLIONS selling his company to Verisign, so he started some charities and the company Canonical, which is the funder behind Ubuntu. They do 'bounties' for things they want ppl to write or improve on, too.  Also do some contests, like a $1000 prize for ubuntu website graphic / look n feel overhaul
[04:29] <mojo> saif: I think like over $550 Million in the Thawte Grp or whatever it was he sold to Verisign... He's a dot-com success story.
[04:29] <saif> mojo: cool! so he is just giving a way his money!
[04:29] <Bonghi> Hi all, thanks to what the channel told me before I could succesfully install Ubuntu!
[04:30] <saif> mojo: he must expect a return in someway
[04:30] <klaym> it's not good when there's money going on behind a linux distro
[04:30] <mojo> saif: Think so.  He did get the soviets to let him fly to space as tourist (HA!  Daaaaaammmnn!).. but he's apparantly all about charity
[04:30] <altan> klaym: Shuttleworth seems to have a very different approach than RedHat/Novell
[04:30] <altan> http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/software/2004/0411051105.asp?A=LIN&S=Open%20Source&O=FPT
[04:30] <jdub> saif: yes, canonical is a for-profit business. :-)
[04:31] <klaym> but if he's investing so much money on it, there must be something he's aiming at to get those moneys back
[04:31] <klaym> or he's just weird
[04:31] <altan> "Shuttleworth will make a sustainable business of Canonical by selling services. The company is made up of 37 developers, handpicked from Debian and the broader community."
[04:31] <mojo> imho shuttleworth is a stand-up guy.  i know i would probably be a philanthropist if i ever got rich (i'm a treehuggin hippylover) but not everyone would or does ya know
[04:31] <bretzel> Make xorg failing to read which modules are mssing for nvidia ciao :-)
[04:32] <saif> well, i sure hope there would be more ppl like him!
[04:32] <altan> yup
[04:33] <mojo> saif: yes, me too. Must say though that I have met many very very kind souls out there.  Most don't have his bucks but really, in the really big picture it ain't about money, this earth-trip we all take. But it's a great tool to help ppl and he uses it well
[04:34] <saif> mojo: couldn't agree more!
[04:34] <saif> mojo: i just remembered somethn, do u know the question that gives the answer 42??
[04:34] <mojo> saif: methinks he helps w/aids prob in africa and also has 'advancement' programs/scholorships.  Check up on him, he doesa lot
[04:34] <saif> the one with the univrse like and bla bla
[04:34] <saif> cool
[04:34] <saif> since i live in jordan,
[04:35] <mojo> Saif: That is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything.  But they forgot to ask what that ultimate question was, didn't they?
[04:35] <saif> maybe he'll give me a scholarship
[04:35] <saif> yup,
[04:35] <VaDor> hi
[04:35] <saif> they sure did,
[04:35] <saif> and that is y we r her!
[04:35] <saif> here!
[04:36] <proximity> anyone got an nforce system?
[04:36] <mojo> saif: it is also decimal for binary 101010 (think yin-yang, on, off, he he)
[04:36] <hendsp> can the weather panel applet not get forcasts in the UK?
[04:37] <altan> this talk about rich people reminds me: Bill Gates was here in Istanbul a few days ago, and Microsoft is looking to sponsor and become a very large part of the government's efforts for a more computerized government, and in the creation of a tech industry park similar to Silicon Valley
[04:37] <mojo> saif: 42 is my fav. number.  Funny you asked that.  Other really good number is 23.
[04:37] <saif> mojo cool! hehe