[00:37] <mapps> hola
[02:10] <daftykins> \o
[02:10] <daftykins> mapps: what's new?
[02:21] <mapps> not much, almost finished last ship s2;)
[02:21] <mapps> on e12/13 s2 then got all of s3 to watch
[02:21] <mapps> also need to watch narcos s2
[02:21] <mapps> well.not 'need':P
[02:22] <daftykins> XD
[02:22] <daftykins> i'm in Boulder,Colorado right now
[02:24] <mapps> sweet
[02:24] <mapps> how long for
[02:25] <daftykins> just done a few days hiking around Rocky Mountain National Park, here until Friday then off to Kansas for a baseball game, then more places after
[02:25] <mapps> sweet
[02:25] <mapps> how long in the states for total
[02:25] <daftykins> http://imgur.com/a/TdW16
[02:25] <daftykins> 3 weeks about :)
[02:26] <mapps> gonna go wendys?:D
[02:26] <mapps> lol
[02:27] <daftykins> haha i've enjoyed a mcdonalds so far :>
[02:28] <mapps> heh
[02:28] <mapps> go to some cool places, you like steak, shrimp etc?
[02:32] <daftykins> don't have any fast food on Guernsey of course ;)
[02:32] <daftykins> never been hugely into steak but i'm going around trying more bbq yeah
[02:32] <mapps> oh none? i mean here we have burger king/mcdonalds, no kfc, no subway
[02:33] <mapps> no nandos
[02:33] <mapps> see how much weight you can gain eatimng xxxl meals heh
[02:33] <daftykins> sadly i've done that already!
[02:33] <mapps> did you have to fly to the uk first then or fly somewhere else?
[02:33] <daftykins> first day of hiking kicked my ass, i've gotten so unfit since my cycle spill 2 years ago
[02:33] <daftykins> had perma pain start up in the intercostal muscles between the ribs i broke back then
[02:34] <daftykins> bit of a wake up call :)
[02:34] <mapps> still hurts?
[02:34] <daftykins> yeah from the heavy breathing of the exercise at high altitude (hiked up hills to 10,000 feet) it set the pain off
[02:35] <mapps> aha
[02:35] <mapps> will it ever not hurt or will it always be there
[02:35] <daftykins> yeah up to Gatwick on the 7am, found out my 11:20am flight was delayed 'til 2pm... which meant i missed my Toronto -> Denver flight, so had to go via Chicago which meant i ended up travelling and awake for like 26+ hours straight >_<
[02:36] <daftykins> i mean it hasn't hurt 'til now apart from a couple of spells when i was doing exercise at home and was heavily breathing to catch my breath
[02:36] <daftykins> just need to exercise and get back in shape i think
[02:36] <mapps> what happens with the toronto - denver flight..do they refund your ticket, or do you get screwed by it
[02:37] <daftykins> so i was already carrying the next boarding pass, just had to go to a desk and find where i was rebooked for
[02:38] <mapps> they dont charge you? even if its diff airlines? i thought they might as they could say its no their issue
[02:41] <daftykins> nah, in fact i can even get a partial refund since they delayed me over 5 hours
[02:41] <daftykins> looking it up now
[02:41] <mapps> so how did the 2nd leg know to rebook you ? if its a diff airline to first
[02:43] <daftykins> the first must talk to the second auto
[08:00] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:06] <Gargoyle> mornin'
[08:10] <brobostigon> morning davmor2 and Gargoyle
[08:13] <davmor2> brobostigon: morning dude
[08:14] <brobostigon> :)
[08:25] <foobarry> what does if ( $var =~ "jeff" ) in perl mean
[08:25] <foobarry> contains?
[08:26] <BigRedS> =~ should have a regex after it
[08:26] <BigRedS> so that'd be equivalent to $var =~ m/jeff/
[08:26] <BigRedS> and, yeah, $var contains jeff
[08:26] <foobarry> hmm it just has "jeff"
[08:26] <foobarry> ah ok
[08:26] <foobarry> how can i edit it to say
[08:27] <BigRedS> I'd imagine; m"jeff" would work like that, I don't really know what it does without the m
[08:27] <foobarry> if $var contains jeff or bob?
[08:27] <BigRedS> if ($var =~ m/(jeff|bob)/)
[08:27] <foobarry> brill , thanks
[08:27] <BigRedS> ah, it's nice to have an answer for someone in here for a change :)
[08:28] <foobarry> woo
[08:47] <popey> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07v0hhm was interesting. worth a listen
[08:52] <BigRedS> I wish there was a "download this when it's available" button in the iplayer app
[08:52] <popey> get_iplayer has pvr capability
[08:52] <popey> cron that, and you can just add the url to get_iplayer
[08:53] <BigRedS> hah, yeah, I keep meaning to make some daft concoction that'll make it easy to make a podcast feed of all the stuff I want to get_iplayer
[08:54] <BigRedS> but I don't tend to listen to the radio at my PC so I've stopped using get_iplayer for radio stuff
[08:56] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy Eat a Hoagie Day! 😃
[08:59] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH8jAjtvc10
[09:00] <foobarry> eat a bogey ?
[09:01] <JamesTait> Well, if that's your thing....
[09:02] <foobarry> facebook has reset all my user ignores
[09:04] <czajkowski> Anyone in London tonight going to  http://www.meetup.com/Ubuntu-UK-Local-Community-Team/events/233941286/
[11:06] <beaver545_> Good day all, I've had the go ahead from my boss for attendance at the Gstreamer conference for myself and a colleague, however when i try to buy the professional early bird tickets for 2, the form comes back saying only 1 is available...?
[11:07] <popey> not sure that's something we can help with, is it?
[11:08] <beaver545_> ah yes, sorry, thought i'd connected to the GStreamer channel!
[11:08] <popey> however, I just went to https://ti.to/gstreamer-conference-2016/gstreamer-conference-2016
[11:08] <popey> and changed number to 2 and continue and it says buy two
[11:33] <DJones> Heh http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/09/ubuntu-torrent-removed-google-infringing-transformers-movie
[11:38] <popey> silly rabbits
[11:42] <davmor2> popey: I think you mean  wasically wabbit
[13:04] <czajkowski> popey: can you moderate a mail to the UK list please :)
[13:08] <popey> done
[13:08] <czajkowski> cheers!
[13:20] <foobarry> sad to say goodbye to my ARM shares :(
[13:21] <zmoylan-pi> you'll have to go out and get legless too... :-P
[13:31] <popey> it's not goodbye, it's 明日
[13:33] <zmoylan-pi> free soup? where? :-P
[13:37] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: you have it upside down it says puos eerf
[13:37] <zmoylan-pi> my mistake, thank you davmor2
[13:40] <diddledan> foobarry: why selling the shares?
[13:40] <foobarry> softbank bought them
[13:41] <foobarry> delisted from LSE
[13:41] <diddledan> oh right
[13:41] <foobarry> enforced sale at £17 per share
[13:41] <foobarry> held them for 17 years
[13:41] <diddledan> I figured they'd sell you equivalent value in the combined co?
[13:42] <foobarry> if it had been for 10 or 20 yrs i would be rich
[13:42] <foobarry> nope, outright cash purchase
[13:42] <foobarry> i say cash, but they have massive debts
[13:42] <foobarry> but i hear intel are thinking of doing arm chips again
[13:42] <diddledan> TBH, stock markets are a dark art to my mind
[13:43] <foobarry> i only hold 2 shares
[13:43] <foobarry> i just think of them as i think of my star wars figures in the loft
[13:43] <diddledan> I can't wrap my tiny little mind around it :-)
[13:43] <foobarry> they have perceived market value which may rise and fall due to films and/or water damage
[13:44] <foobarry> although shars are less tangible and less fun to playt with
[13:44] <diddledan> :-o they're not mint-in-the-box?!
[13:44] <diddledan> (ref: toy story)
[13:45] <zmoylan-pi> not if they're kept in the loft i suspect
[13:45] <popey> http://i.imgur.com/XS5LK.gif
[13:45] <diddledan> lmao
[13:45] <diddledan> I like cap'n murrica
[13:45] <diddledan> he's fun
[13:45] <popey> testing my new cheapo headphones with some Jarre
[13:46] <popey> These are amazing for the price https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00UNL7YR8
[13:46] <diddledan> although hulk is pretty humorous too
[13:47] <zmoylan-pi> but but they won't work with new iphone!!
[13:47] <diddledan> ten squids?! that's cheap at half the price!
[13:47] <zmoylan-pi> you could get 2 pi zeros for that... :-)
[13:47] <popey> yeah, and really nice braided cable
[13:48] <popey> so no twisty
[13:48] <popey> went outside and mowed the lawn at lunchtime with them on listening to the world at one
[13:51] <foobarry> i just bought my wife some MEE earphones
[13:52] <foobarry> https://www.amazon.co.uk/MEE-audio-Sport-Fi-Isolating-Headphones/dp/B0038W0K2K
[13:52] <foobarry> sennheiser keep changing their models
[13:53] <popey> ooh they look good, wifey needs some for the gym
[13:53] <popey> she keeps stealing everyone elses
[13:53] <foobarry> they stay in a bit better
[13:54] <popey> which led to this http://imgur.com/a/xOiFt
[13:55] <diplo> I need some new headphones like that but bluetooth, my 3.5 doesn't work overly well :(
[13:56] <popey> diplo: any job news?
[13:56] <diplo> Last two bluetooth ones I've bought have either broke or not charged
[13:56] <diplo> Didn't get it :(
[13:56] <popey> aw :(
[13:56] <popey> bluetooth sucks
[13:56] <popey> [FACT]
[13:56] <foobarry> bluetooth is so needy
[13:56] <zmoylan-pi> my bluetooth headphones ran out of juice day before yesterday... first time...
[13:56] <diplo> Guy who did lived in the same city and had experience with some of the tech i hadn't ( Docker / cfEngine )
[13:56] <foobarry> it likes exlusive friendships
[13:56] <diplo> But jobs mine if it falls through
[13:56]  * diddledan gives diplo a consolatory hug
[13:57] <zmoylan-pi> fingers crossed you get the next job...
[13:57] <diddledan> diplo: I'm trying to find work, too, so I feel your pain
[13:57]  * foobarry gives diplo an awkward fist bump hug, side hug thing
[13:57] <diplo> Bluetooth works well for me, I use a portable speaker amongst other things for music
[13:57] <foobarry> i'm going thru my usual "do i have to find another job" thing that happens every 2 motnhs
[13:57] <diplo> It sucks, but it's good experience, fair amount of work around here, just wish I didn't have to travel to Bristol
[13:58] <foobarry> from?
[13:58] <diddledan> birmingham? :-p
[13:58] <diddledan> that would be a hellish commute!
[13:58] <diplo> Place called Trowbridge, it's not overly far, the traffic is hell
[13:59] <foobarry> near bath
[13:59] <foobarry> there's jobs in bath
[13:59] <diplo> Trains suck, 2 carriages when there used to be 4, cheaper by car but takes longer, also not to sure I want to work in Bristol :D
[13:59] <foobarry> saw a good one recently
[13:59] <diplo> Yeah the one they were talking about above was in Bath
[13:59] <diplo> Devops Engineer foobarry ?
[14:00] <diplo> Got another one coming soon in a quaint little town called bradford on avon :) even closer
[14:00] <foobarry> nah i think it was more up my street
[14:01] <foobarry> hpc stuff
[14:01] <foobarry> may have been a generic linux admin actualyl, i don't remember
[14:01] <diplo> ah I saw that
[14:03] <diplo> quite a few around here I've applied for, got sent one for windows that I could probably do, but I've not been around windows servers much in the last 5-6 years ( not that its hard ) and that puts some people off
[14:05] <diplo> diddledan: Lost job or just looking ?
[14:07] <diddledan> company I been working for has stopped sending me enough work so I need to find someone else to give me work to make ends-meet
[14:10] <foobarry> brexit
[14:10] <diddledan> brexit broke it
[14:10] <diddledan> :-p
[14:10] <zmoylan-pi> brexit is going to be blamed for everything for a few years...
[14:10] <diddledan> yup
[14:11] <diplo> That sucks, self employed ?
[14:11] <ali1234> speaking of brexit, RAM prices are now up 40% compared to june
[14:11] <foobarry> oof
[14:12] <diddledan> self-employed only 'cos the company I was working for wanted the flexibility to do what they done :-p
[14:12] <diplo> :/
[14:13] <zmoylan-pi> did they give you a red shirt when you started? :-P
[14:13] <diddledan> haha
[14:37] <diddledan> dropbox are in hot water? https://techcrunch.com/2016/09/09/dropbox-responds-to-accusations-its-mac-desktop-client-hacks-os-x-security/
[14:45] <davmor2> diddledan: yeah cause it is not like Apple do a competing cloud storage solution is it ;)
[14:48] <diddledan> no, apple would never do that
[14:55] <diddledan> https://boingboing.net/2016/09/14/a-powerful-attacker-is-systema.html
[17:30] <czajkowski> Greetings from the Ubuntu UK meetup
[19:56] <diddledan> once again apple does the $1 [19:58] <diddledan> why was I unaware of a meetup?!
[19:58]  * diddledan rolls the rock back over himself
[19:59] <zmoylan-pi> it means going out into natural light...
[20:00]  * diddledan hisses
[21:35] <ali1234> okay why can't my dvd drive read the windows install cd??
[21:35] <ali1234> it works fine with linux boot discs
[21:36] <zmoylan-pi> your pc is trying to protect you... :-P
[21:36] <ali1234> it isn't my pc
[21:37] <zmoylan-pi> right way up? /obvious
[21:38] <zmoylan-pi> clean, scratched...
[21:45] <czajkowski> diddledan: they'll promote it more next time
[21:45] <czajkowski> I only knew as I saw popey RT a blog post about it today
[22:05] <daftykins> ali1234: which version... and from which OS? you trying to just boot it?
[22:10] <ali1234> there's something wrong with the drive... it's rattling now
[22:10] <zmoylan-pi> air duster handy?
[22:11] <daftykins> sounds like a wonky lens
[22:11] <zmoylan-pi> not when it's rattly in my experience...
[22:12] <zmoylan-pi> rattling is when the drive is either slipping while trying to spin it up or some other motor problem
[22:12] <daftykins> true, i was trying to remember what it was my last drive was doing when it kept trying to refocus
[22:12] <zmoylan-pi> when lens is wonky it'll spin happily but just never show a byte of data
[22:13] <daftykins> mmm or error like this one was doing when ripping music (only use i have for CD :)
[22:14] <daftykins> heh i just ordered an 8 piece ratcheting spanner set for an aircraft engineer friend back home, here in the US - it's £80 back home without tax, i just got it £41 delivered
[22:14] <zmoylan-pi> i did have one cd explode when it was put into a 32x drive... spun up... *crunched* and sounded like a glass breaking
[22:15] <daftykins> nice :) i heard that's why they stopped at 52x, discs couldn't take it
[22:15] <zmoylan-pi> they could bring back disc caddies for higher speeds
[22:16] <daftykins> iirc 52x was already 10,000RPM
[22:16] <zmoylan-pi> of course someone could get smart and keep the disc stationary and make a head that spins faster
[22:17] <daftykins> haha
[22:17] <zmoylan-pi> and we could call it.... a hard disc... :-)
[22:17] <daftykins> "...improvements can still be obtained using multiple laser pickups as demonstrated by the Kenwood TrueX 72× which uses seven laser beams and a rotation speed of approximately 10×."
[22:18] <ali1234> it sounds like the spindle motor has a ball bearing rolling around inside it
[22:19] <daftykins> what's the machine and the task? optical media seems like such a ghetto choice
[22:19] <ali1234> how else am i supposed to install windows?
[22:19] <zmoylan-pi> well... they are installing windows... :-)
[22:19] <daftykins> ali1234: flash drive...
[22:20] <ali1234> how do i put windows 10 install cd on a flash drive?
[22:20] <daftykins> is the system legacy only?
[22:20] <daftykins> non-EFI
[22:20] <ali1234> no
[22:20] <daftykins> ok, so format a drive as FAT32, extract the ISO contents into the root, preserving /boot and it'll be immediately EFI bootable
[22:20] <zmoylan-pi> laptop or desktop?
[22:57] <ali1234> it worked eventually
[22:57] <zmoylan-pi> huzzah
[22:58] <ali1234> i'm making a flash drive anyway
[22:58] <zmoylan-pi> nothing worse than been onsite and having failures you could bypass in 10 minutes back at base
[23:00] <ali1234> huh... it's showing the msi logo and underneath it says "getting ready"
[23:01] <daftykins> yes the EFI systems are able to present the OEM logo merged with the Windows boot logo
[23:01] <ali1234> okay what do i need to turn off on the first boot screen?
[23:02] <daftykins> everything
[23:02] <daftykins> and when it asks for an account there's a subtle option so you can avoid creating a Microsoft Account
[23:03] <ali1234> even smartscreen?
[23:04] <daftykins> well you can keep it if the user is not very bright, but it'll just be a hassle mostly
[23:05] <ali1234> argh why is it so slow
[23:06] <ali1234> oh, its getting everything ready for me
[23:07] <daftykins> yeah it'll be hands off for a couple of mins even on a high end device
[23:08] <ali1234> lol already got a weird error message in less than one minute after the desktop is up
[23:09] <daftykins> never had issues here, could be your media - hope you installed the anniversary build :>
[23:09] <daftykins> time for a good windows update lap
[23:10] <daftykins> if you do the bare minimum to get on wifi, windows update will handle _all_ the drivers
[23:10] <ali1234> i have to install drivers first because literally nothing works
[23:10] <daftykins> or wired.
[23:10] <daftykins> ok so just do one of the two then
[23:10] <daftykins> no need for anything else
[23:13] <ali1234> why is the cd drive i:
[23:14] <daftykins> card readers?
[23:14] <ali1234> ah yeah
[23:14] <ali1234> loads of them
[23:14] <daftykins> heh must be a multiformat sucker in there, mmm - in explorer empty drives are hidden by default now
[23:14] <ali1234> that's cool
[23:15] <daftykins> sometimes they're a safely removable USB device so i select that to remove it, change optical to D: again and then reboot
[23:15] <zmoylan-pi> but a and b are still reserved in case you go mad and install 2 floppy drives? :-)
[23:16] <daftykins> aww yis
[23:16] <ali1234> well i could just unplug them from the motherboard
[23:16] <ali1234> and do that
[23:16] <daftykins> oh it's a desktop... well that's more effort than 2 clicks
[23:16] <daftykins> also right clicking the start menu / super + X is a great shortcut to all the kinds of admin stuffs you want to get to on Windows typically
[23:17] <ali1234> but how do i remove the USb device if there is nothing in it? other than unplugging it?
[23:18] <daftykins> the safely remove icon in the system tray
[23:18] <daftykins> *sometimes* it's an entry
[23:18] <ali1234> they aren't shown there because there is nothing plugged in
[23:18] <ali1234> no cards
[23:19] <ali1234> actually i figured it out
[23:19] <ali1234> devices and printers -> right click -> remove device
[23:19] <daftykins> no that's not how it always works, sometimes it shows the parent reader
[23:19] <daftykins> yeah that'll work!
[23:20] <daftykins> kind of been doing Windows stuff for a fair time :>
[23:20] <daftykins> sometimes amuses me how much ubuntu support i can give despite not even using it, too...
[23:20] <daftykins> or should i say used to give :D
[23:22] <ali1234> cool, it works
[23:22] <ali1234> says it is updating onedrive
[23:23] <daftykins> yip automatic from install, i disable that from startup in its' settings
[23:24] <daftykins> the Windows Defender system tray icon can be disabled on the startup tab of task manager too, although it's probably handy to keep for noob users
[23:24] <daftykins> so they know there's some level of protection