[15:46] <youngbin_> https://2022.ubucon.asia/ko/news/2022-09-29-cfp-closed/
[15:46] <youngbin_> https://2022.ubucon.asia/news/2022-09-29-cfp-closed/


[00:04] <yangster> I'm trying to install on a beagleboard-xm, how long does the install normally take?
[00:05] <yangster> seems to be working, i got the "Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel." on the serial console
[00:06] <yangster> I guess it's undergoing the install process right now
[00:06] <yangster> and I have one of the LEDs blinking
[00:06] <yangster> but its been going at it for awhile now
[00:07] <yangster> just curious if it is working normally
[00:11] <rsalveti> yangster: normally it takes around 10 minutes
[00:11] <yangster> hmm...okay it has been way longer than that
[00:11] <rsalveti> the process boots the first time to resize the sd card, then reboots again to show the oem-config at the hdmi output, so you can continue the setup
[00:12] <rsalveti> if it's just one led blinking it means that's just the heartbeat
[00:12] <rsalveti> the other is the mmc usage, and if it's not blinking than it's probably stopped somehow
[00:13] <yangster> okay
[00:13] <rsalveti> yangster: did you follow the instructions from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall?
[00:13] <yangster> yup
[00:13] <yangster> ill try the alternative method now i guess
[00:13] <rsalveti> do you have a monitor connected at the hdmi output?
[00:13] <yangster> yes
[00:13] <rsalveti> did you get at least something at your monitor?
[00:13] <yangster> nope
[00:13] <rsalveti> yangster: what is your beagle revision?
[00:14] <yangster> B
[00:15] <rsalveti> yangster: probably needs the a3 fix
[00:15] <rsalveti> yangster: try doing what's described for beagle xm a3 at the wiki page
[00:16] <yangster> okay ill give that a go
[00:16] <yangster> thanks
[06:34] <yangster> rsalveti thanks for the help ealier, I got everything running
[06:37] <yangster> though it seems very slow
[06:43] <yangster> so i thought i would change to xfce4 but when i do the apt-get it says it can locate the package?
[08:22] <hrw> [A
[08:22] <hrw> morning
[11:28] <tuba> hi
[11:29] <tuba> can somebody help me with fb driver developement?
[11:34] <hrw> tuba: #elinux maybe
[11:36] <tuba> ok
[12:04] <rsalveti> morning


[10:19] <jared> jaddi27: not sure if you had anything to add to the verification page? Apparently some photos wouldn't go astray
[10:19] <jea> ok
[10:19] <jea> i shall do that now
[10:20] <jared> jea: awesome :)
[10:21] <jea> have you heard back from them?
[10:22] <jared> The reply is in the -owner account, are you on that?
[10:22] <jea> yep, just haven't read that bit yet
[10:22] <jea> shall do
[10:43] <jea> jared: how do i get the photos into the ubuntu-au stream on flickr?
[10:44] <jared> jea: you have to upload it to your own account and then add it to the group one (of which you have to be a member)
[10:44] <jared> I haven't done it in ages myself but I believe it's still the same process.
[10:45] <jea> ok
[10:45] <jea> http://www.flickr.com/photos/joeladdison/
[10:45] <jea> well there they are
[10:45] <jared> Let me log in and see if I can work it out, it's all visually different at the moment
[10:45] <jea> yeah, it has been upgraded a lot
[10:47] <jea> jared: done it now
[10:47] <jared> jea: I just worked it out as well, I had to hassle my wife to show me how
[10:47] <jea> now to see if i can group photos
[10:48] <jared> I think they're referred to as "sets"
[10:49] <jea> i think it is there for my personal account, not so much for the group
[10:50] <jared> Yeah it's one of those things I use but only the bare minimum. My wife uses it heaps but I just share about 10 photos every couple of years.
[10:50] <jea> well i put up 5
[10:50] <jared> That's a good thing, I don't think we have any photos from any of the other events
[10:50] <jea> no
[10:51] <jea> but i don't think there have been many/any other physical events since your install fest
[10:57] <jared> jea: are you happy with the following description of the event:
[10:57] <jared> As for further details, the most recent event was led by Joel at the university he attends. He got permission to use the university facilites to run the event and promoted it throughout the IT department to line up with a Unix introduction course. The local LUG heard about the event as they also meet at the university and came along to help out and provided a chance to grow the relationship. The event consisted of Joel conducting a s
[10:57] <jared> eminar of sorts and was followed by some Q&A of the students. The Canonical team were very helpful in providing CDs to distribute to the attendees as well as a conference pack to generate some interest and provide an increased visibility of Ubuntu in the community.
[10:58] <jea> yes, that is alright
[11:02] <jared> Email sent
[11:02] <jared> And I have to run away for the night. Assessment due on Monday :/
[11:02] <jea> ok
[11:02] <jea> Thanks for doing that.
[11:03] <jea> Good luck with the assignment
[11:04] <jared> No worries, I feel bad I left it so long. If they ask further questions and you're comfortable answering please feel free to chip in, your contributions have exceeded all so far so no reason you can't get some credit for them
[11:06] <jared> I have to write 2 papers on corporate governance, I'm hoping not to bore myself to death. I've decided one will be a board paper on instituting a conflict of interest policy, the other will be a investigation report into some media articles. Who knew learning about baords of directors could be so much fun.
[11:07] <jea> I certainly didn't. I would just prefer to be on the board of a good company, rather than learning about them :P
[11:07] <jared> Apparently board members aren't even all that well paid.
[11:07] <jared> Mainly just the executive members getting all the money.
[11:07] <jea> And yes, I will keep an eye out for emails in that thread. Happy to reply if I know the answer
[11:07] <jea> yeah


[00:02] <XiXaQ> it didn
[00:02] <XiXaQ> t seem like anything was copied.
[00:03] <nealmcb> how did you create the new user?
[00:14] <XiXaQ> sorry.. It seems like I didn't copy it properly :)
[00:15] <KillerKiwi2005> Hello, Whats the correct way for a deb to add a user to the fuse group??
[08:03] <luckyone> hello - can anyone help me get dovecot setup correctly?
[08:04] <soren> !ask
[08:04] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[08:04] <luckyone> I am having trouble getting a mail server set up
[08:04] <luckyone> I need advice - I have followed the tutorials and things *seem* to be working
[08:05] <luckyone> but alas, I cannot send/receive mail from the accounts that I created with postfixadmin
[08:06] <soren> What's postfixadmin?
[08:06] <luckyone> it is a php frontend that helps manage a postfix database for virtual domains/virtual users
[08:07] <soren> Well, you probably need to teach dovecot about postfixadmin's user database, so it'll look in the right place for their mail spool (and for authentication info).
[08:07] <soren> I've never used postfixadmin, so I haven't a clue.
[08:08] <luckyone> yeah, I specified passwd <file> and user <file> where file is /etc/dovecot/dovecot-mysql.conf
[08:09] <soren> That's not going to work.
[08:09] <soren> At least I don't think so.
[08:09] <soren> Er..
[08:09] <soren> Sorry.
[08:09] <soren> Yes, it might.
[08:09]  * soren just got out of bed and is a bit confused
[08:10] <luckyone> yeah, it is supposed to... I am confused as to why dovecot isn't making directories for my users
[08:10] <luckyone> or maybe why postfixadmin isn't
[08:10] <soren> Making directories?
[08:10] <soren> When you do what?
[08:11] <luckyone> in /home/vmail/<domain>/<user>
[08:11] <luckyone> when I create the mailbox using postfixadmin
[08:11] <luckyone> seems like it is just creating the entry in the database
[08:14] <soren> It's not dovecot's responsibility to create the user's mailbox.
[08:14] <soren> Send the user a test mail (which I recommend anyway) and postfix should create it for you.
[08:17] <luckyone> how do I do that from the cli?
[08:17] <luckyone> postfix doesn't seem to be receiving mail...
[08:17] <soren> mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:18] <luckyone> PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 13): 553 sorry, relaying denied from your location [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[08:18] <soren> From localhost?!?
[08:19] <soren> You've got worse problems that dovecot not creating mailboxes then :)
[08:19] <luckyone> from gmail...a
[08:19] <soren> Just do it from the mail server.
[08:19] <luckyone> I don't have mail installed - I thought postfix would be what I am using as my MTA
[08:20] <soren> It probably is.
[08:20] <soren> No mail or mailx installed?
[08:20] <soren> Just install mailx. is that a problem?
[08:21] <luckyone> not especially - but I think I am going to get some sleep and start fresh tomorrow
[08:21] <luckyone> thanks for your help
[08:21]  * luckyone bows in appreciation to soren
[08:21] <luckyone> buenos noches amigo
[08:22] <soren> np :)
[08:24] <yapyccky> hello everyone. i've a problem. i'm trying to install a server on a old p3 500mhz but i've a problem during partition. i get an aror that says that i cant mount partition on root
[08:24] <yapyccky> may someone help me to solve this problem? i cant go on ...
[15:51] <lamont> ScottK: I'm preparing 2.5.0~rc2-1 for upload to debian
[16:26] <lamont> ScottK: is debian bug 291288 fixed in 2.5? (what version, if any?)
[16:26] <ubotu> Debian bug 291288 in postfix "feature request for inclusion of the libspf2 c patch to postfix" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/291288
[17:05] <luckyone> hello - anyone want to help me debug why postfix isn't starting up smtpd correctly? http://pastebin.com/de6e7aef
[17:57] <luckyone> when trying to connect dovecot to mysql, does the default dovecot package not have mysql support in
[17:59] <Nafallo> luckyone: look at the depends and you'll have your answer
[17:59] <luckyone> Nafallo: well - I ran dovecot --build-options and saw that it was infact built with support for mysql
[18:00] <luckyone> Nafallo: however - it does not seem to like driver = mysql in my /etc/dovecot/dovecot-mysql.conf file
[18:00] <Nafallo> well, I use postgresql
[18:01] <Nafallo> and the file would be dovecot-sql.conf surely?
[18:05] <luckyone> well, it is whatever you name it
[18:06] <luckyone> you define what file you want to use in /etc/postfix/main.cf
[18:06] <luckyone> or /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf rather
[18:46] <Nafallo> I use the default :-)
[18:48] <zul> dovecot has postgresql support doesnt it?
[18:56] <Nafallo> yes
[18:57] <Nafallo> and mysql
[20:11] <ScottK> lamont: You should won'tfix that bug (291288).  They should use a policy server instead.
[20:13] <ScottK> lamont: You want me to write something up on that?
[20:26] <ScottK> lamont: I'm going to reply in the bug.
[20:50] <ScottK> lamont: Bug commented.
[21:11] <lamont> ScottK: tanks
[21:11] <lamont> thanks, too. :-)
[21:11]  * lamont was afk
[21:12] <ScottK> No problem.
[21:41] <lamont> ScottK: you could have tagged it +wontfix yourself.. I'd have been ok with that.
[21:41] <lamont> and 2.5.0~rc2-1 is in experimental
[21:41] <ScottK> OK.  I figured that was up to the Maintainer to decide.
[21:41]  * ScottK remembers for the future.
[21:42] <lamont> ScottK: it is. :-)
[21:42] <lamont> you're my defacto SPF maintainer-guy, you see....
[21:42] <ScottK> OK.  Makes sense.
[21:42] <ScottK> Any more SPF stuff, I'll just deal with it then.
[21:46] <lamont> thanks.  you know my general philosophy and such on spf, and I promise to listen to you when you say something is a _good_ thing...
[21:55]  * lamont goes afk again for several hours.
[22:39] <pubo> Hi all
[22:39] <pubo> anybody has configured Bind9?
[22:43] <andol> pubo: Just ask your question :)
[22:45] <pubo> oki, I've installed dhcp-server v3 and bind9. I'd like bind9 to search in dhcpd files (dhcpd.leases) or something like that, to assign DNS to clients dynamicly
[22:45] <pubo> So from any other client I could ping it without given IP. (ping client1, ping client2, ...)
[22:46] <pubo> andol, do you understand what I want to mean? (bad english)
[22:47] <andol> pubo: Yes, but not a compination I've tried myself. Right now I'm thinking on whatever I think it is a bad idea or not :-)
[22:49] <pubo> I'd like to have something like in windows networks but without having to edit manually DNS files...
[22:52] <pubo> Uhm.. I thinl I got it! I'm going to test...
[22:56] <nijaba> possible
[22:56] <nijaba> err...  wrong window
[23:46] <pubo> uhh, lot of problems with ddns + bind9 :'(. Can anybody help me?
[23:52] <Travitron> basic question: after i've installed ubuntu 7.10 server, how do I get X up and running if I want it?


[03:17] <JLye> can anyone here accept launchpad group submissions for the team ?
[06:52] <sakrecoer> i'll take care of that membership request. not 100% what the user name is on LP, so i'll doublecheck via email first.
[06:52] <eylul> hi JLye
[06:53] <sakrecoer> eylul: i think he left for today
[06:53] <eylul> oooh that was a playback
[06:54] <sakrecoer> pretty certain who he is on lp, but i'd rahter be safe than sorry
[06:54] <eylul> *nods* it makes sense to confirm
[14:56] <zequence> ardour 5.3 is packaged and ready in unstable. Anyone want to do a sync-request?
[15:15] <eylul> zequence: how is sync-request done?
[18:46] <DalekSec> And FFe, I'd think.
[18:58] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: just got a reply from alessio; it looks like he wants to package the latest fontmanager in debian \o/
[19:00] <eylul> yay
[19:01] <DalekSec> Eh, it's full of CSDs and such, else I was going to update locally.
[20:00] <zequence> eylul: sync-request is a tool you can use, but it is also a thing you can do in order to request a sync from the Debian archive to the Ubuntu archive (most of what is in the Ubuntu archive is automatically imported from Debian up until Debian Import Freeze, which happens 2 months before each release)
[20:00] <zequence> astraljava: Are you perhaps getting more into development again, or just passing by?
[20:12] <zequence> astraljava: btw. make sure to check out #ubuntustudio-offtopic
[20:13]  * zequence had mysteriously departed from it
[20:24] <astraljava> zequence: Hi! I believe I will be spending more time at a computer on my spare time in the near future, so yes that would be a possibility. Certainly I'm still interested in the project, so I'll continue to hang around and whenever convenient, I'll lend a hand where needed.
[21:17] <zequence> astraljava: sakrecoer can always benefit from having someone experienced in packaging and coding around. Ross is one, but I'm sort of looking for a way to end my participation soonish.
[21:18] <zequence> Since I'm yet the only one with upload rights for our source, I will be sticking around until someone else gets it.
[22:43] <DalekSec> FWIW, font-manager 0.7.2-1 was uploaded...  "Bummer" :P
[22:45] <krytarik> "Nice."


[00:11] <jono> anyone here familiar with writing PyGI apps?
[13:17] <alabd> Good day all , wana chanage perm of a file on ntfs usb external hard disk , but without error chmod 777 does not take affect
[13:18] <commandoline> alabd: you might be helped better in the help channel: #ubuntu
[13:18] <commandoline> this channel is about development of Ubuntu
[13:20] <alabd> ok thanks  bye
[13:36] <valterstr> hello
[13:36] <valterstr> I would be interested in developing ubuntu
[13:37] <valterstr> and this will sound silly, but, what programming language is used?
[13:39] <bkerensa> valterstr: A variety
[13:39] <valterstr> I am looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/bzr/precise
[13:40] <valterstr> lp:ubuntu/bzr
[13:40] <valterstr> vala seems to be used
[13:41] <valterstr> but the directory tree is unusual for mee.
[13:41] <penguin42> valterstr: I'm not sure if there are many things that use vala; but it's quite neat; but there is a lot of C, Python, C++, perl - everything really
[13:42] <valterstr> is there an ide?
[13:42] <valterstr> wait. valac-*.**
[13:42] <valterstr> ?
[13:42] <penguin42> a few - I don't use them myself; I think anjuta is used by various people, not sure what it's like or which languages it supports
[13:42]  * valterstr googes...
[13:42] <valterstr> *googles.
[13:43] <valterstr> looks good. will install.
[13:43] <valterstr> many dependencies...
[13:49] <valterstr> I have the source files and I have Anjuta
[13:50] <valterstr> Now when I try to import the project, it asks if I want to use makefile backend or directory backend.
[13:50] <valterstr> which should I choose?
[13:51] <valterstr> testing makefile then...
[13:52] <valterstr> looks ok. but could someone explain which files is the code itself in?
[13:59] <valterstr> as I have understood, /bzrlib contains the software code in lp:ubuntu/bzr
[14:00] <valterstr> but in lp:ubuntu/cowbell it is /base
[14:00] <valterstr> @penguin42: so, there is no "default" directory tree?
[14:00] <udevbot_> Error: "penguin42:" is not a valid command.
[14:00] <valterstr> penguin42: so, there is no "default" directory tree?
[14:01] <penguin42> I don't know what you mean
[14:01] <valterstr> I mean, e.g. all software files are held in /base folder.
[14:01] <valterstr> it is different for different packages
[14:02] <valterstr> ubunte/cowbell package files: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/cowbell/precise/files
[14:03] <valterstr>  /base folder is used there
[14:03] <valterstr> ubuntu/bzr package files: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/bzr/precise/files
[14:03] <valterstr>  /bzrlib is used.
[14:04] <valterstr> penguin42: that's what I mean.
[14:04] <commandoline> valterstr: Ubuntu consists about a number of different programs, different packages. They use all kinds of different programming languages and different directory tree structures, it depends on the preference of the developers of the packages.
[14:04] <penguin42> valterstr: Some of those directories are just what the author decided they wanted - that's the source tree, and the author can make up those names as they want
[14:05] <valterstr> ok
[14:05] <penguin42> valterstr: There are some that are fixed in debian/ubuntu packages (e.g. the debian directory) and some that are common (e.g. po and lib)
[14:05] <valterstr> noticed.
[14:05] <valterstr> thanks for the info.
[20:06] <glD> Hi all, I have a problem with new package "esys-particle". It builds fine, but on Ubuntu during start the following error appears
[20:06] <glD> "ImportError: /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/esys/lsm/util/libFoundationPy.so.0: undefined symbol: _ZTIN5boost6python15instance_holderE"
[20:06] <glD> It seems, it is an ubuntu-related problem, because the same package works fine on Debian
[20:07] <glD> I would appreciate, if somebody gives an advice how to fix that
[20:07] <glD> there is a corresponding bug on that: https://bugs.launchpad.net/esys-particle/+bug/916724
[20:08] <glD> thanks ahead
[20:20] <jtaylor> most likely an as-needed problem
[20:20] <jtaylor>  /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/esys/lsm/util/libFoundationPy.so.0 is probably not linked correctly
[20:21] <jtaylor> glD: ^
[20:21] <jtaylor> do you have a buildlog of it?
[20:22] <glD> jtaylor: yes, just a moment
[20:23] <glD> Debian: https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=esys-particle&arch=amd64&ver=2.1-1&stamp=1324594155
[20:23] <glD> Ubuntu: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/89385870/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-amd64.esys-particle_2.1-1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[20:31] <jtaylor> glD: there is a bunch of stuff underlinked, see the dpkg-shlibdeps warnings
[20:31] <jtaylor> also in debian
[20:31] <jtaylor> that should be fixed
[20:35] <glD> jtaylor: ok, thanks
[20:35] <glD> I will try
[20:35] <jtaylor> python is often one of the first to notice that as undefined symbols in pythion extensions are pretty normal (e.g. libpython stuff)
[20:36] <jtaylor> thus problems only detected at runtime
[20:36] <glD> jtaylor: it means, that the code should be patched somewhere?
[20:37] <jtaylor> no its a makefile issue
[20:37] <glD> Ok, thanks
[20:54] <jtaylor> that package has a bunch of far to general library names
[20:54] <jtaylor> libFields, libParallel
[20:54] <jtaylor> libModel
[20:55] <jtaylor> how did that get through in debian :O
[20:56] <glD> jtaylor: it should be something like libEsysModel, libEsysFields..?
[20:56] <jtaylor> probably yes
[20:56] <jtaylor> or they should be private libraries
[20:56] <jtaylor> = installed in a subfolder of usr/lib
[21:22] <glD> jtaylor: there are also errors on both buildlogs
[21:22] <glD> ImportError: libFoundationPy.so.0: cannot open shared
[21:22] <glD> |            object file: No such file or directory (line 15)
[21:29] <jtaylor> glD: thats a problem of the PYTHONPATH
[21:30] <jtaylor> or library path not sure
[21:30] <jtaylor> should not be a problem when the package is installed
[21:30] <jtaylor> setting this should work LD_LIBRARY_PATH=debian/tmp/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/esys/lsm/util/
[21:31] <glD> ah, ok
[21:31] <jtaylor> having that in PYTHONPATH  should do the same
[21:32] <glD> jtaylor: what do you think, why the problem appears in Ubuntu, not in Debian?
[21:32] <glD> I mean the first problem, with symbols
[21:33] <jtaylor> ubuntu enables as-needed during build by default debian does not
[21:33] <jtaylor> this has some effect on indirect links which are used here
[21:34] <glD> can the "quick" workaround be to switch off it? --no-as-needed to make the package working?
[21:34] <glD> and then to fix all of other issue
[21:34] <jtaylor> the fix is to link everything properly
[21:35] <jtaylor> underlinking library causes all kinds of issues
[21:35] <jtaylor> In my opionion those dpkg-shlibdep warnisn should be errors, that would save a huge amount of trouble
[21:35] <jtaylor> nobody reads warnigns ...
[21:42] <glD> jtaylor: ok, thank you!
[21:42] <glD> will try to fix that
[22:07] <jtaylor> glD: one issue is in debian/rules, LDFLAGS := -lboost_system
[22:07] <jtaylor> libraries do not go in LDFLAGS, those will be placed wrongly by autotools
[22:08] <jtaylor> LIBS is normally the correct varaible
[22:08] <mdeslaur> hallyn: yes, iso downloads use releases.ubuntu.com
[22:24] <tsdgeos> tkamppeter: you around by chance?
[22:28] <tkamppeter> tsdgeos, hi
[22:29] <tsdgeos> tkamppeter: seen my mail about the huge speed regression?
[22:30] <tsdgeos> tkamppeter: re poppler and lcms
[22:33] <tkamppeter> Yes, so you found one PDF where Poppler with lcms2 takes 10 times longer than Poppler with lcms1?
[22:34] <tsdgeos> i had found that pdf already in 2010 yes
[22:34] <tsdgeos> but nobody seems to read the mails i sent back then :D
[22:34] <tkamppeter> tsdgeos, can you attach the file to the thread or at least send it to me?
[22:34] <tsdgeos> google for it, it's everywhere
[22:34] <tsdgeos> http://www.eci.org/doku.php?id=es:downloads
[22:35] <tsdgeos> altona_technical_1v2_x3.pdf
[22:35] <tkamppeter> tsdgeos, that time you did a migration, nmow Koji Otani did one independently. Did you already try to run the file through Koji Otani's version of the migration?
[22:35] <tsdgeos> err
[22:35] <tsdgeos> is my english that bad?
[22:35] <tsdgeos> yes, i used koji's version
[22:36] <tkamppeter> tsdgeos, is this the only file which gets that much slower, you told abot 5-10% performance loss is usual.
[22:37] <tsdgeos> that was koji
[22:37] <tsdgeos> and me too probably
[22:37] <tsdgeos> originally i found it to be even faster on some files
[22:37] <tsdgeos> but going from 0.5 to 5 sec
[22:37] <tsdgeos> is a bit of a no go
[22:38] <tsdgeos> i did not try any other files
[22:39] <tkamppeter> If it is only that one file, you should perhaps report a bug to the lcms developers with the file attached and also tell Koji as he did the migration (and so he could have done something wrong, too).
[22:39] <tsdgeos> have you even looked at the patch?
[22:39] <tsdgeos> the migration is basically renaming of stuff
[22:39] <tsdgeos> you can't do that wrong
[22:40] <tkamppeter> tsdgeos, OK, then it looks more like a bug in lcms2 which gets triggered by said file.
[22:41] <tsdgeos> i'd agree
[22:41] <tsdgeos> i prefer to use software i know it works instead of buggy one
[22:42] <tsdgeos> and i'd suggest ubuntu to the same ;-)
[22:42] <glD> jtaylor: ok, thanks, will fix that
[22:42] <jtaylor> glD: also it appears the libraries don't link with libTml*
[22:43] <jtaylor> that has been patched for the executables, but not for the libraries
[22:43] <tkamppeter> tsdgeos, to do a real test one should use a large amount of PDF files (you should have some test repository of PDFs for Poppler's QA) and run them all through the current Poppler, once with and once without Koji's patch, afterwards counting how the results compare in speed and also how many crash without and how many with the patch.
[22:44] <tsdgeos> tkamppeter: i can't make my pdf suite public, i don't have rights to distribute them
[22:45] <tsdgeos> tkamppeter: how many crash without the patch? none
[22:46] <tkamppeter> tsdgeos, but you can publish the statistics.
[22:46] <tsdgeos> sure
[22:46] <tsdgeos> i don't feel like doing the work since i've already found a showstopper
[22:47] <tsdgeos> i mean, found it two years ago :D
[22:53] <tsdgeos> anyhow, sleep time, let's see if either koji or the lcms dude you put in the CC have anything to say in the matter
[22:54] <tsdgeos> night@all
[23:33] <slangasek> hallyn: bug #893450> cjwatson is certainly the expert where sector sizes are concerned... not sure how high that'll be on his list though :/  The bug description sounds like a race condition, not a perf problem?


[00:34] <widox> hola waldo323
[00:35] <waldo323> hola
[00:38] <greg-g> holla
[00:40] <jrwren> holla holla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuGqpYtR_ss
[00:46] <shakes808> Good day all
[01:08] <snap-l> Evening
[01:10] <jrwren> how ya doing?
[01:12] <rick_h_> zzzz
[01:12] <rick_h_> almost made it
[01:13] <rick_h_> anyone make it to CHC?
[01:20] <shakes808> I am at Barnes and Noble, but here in spirit ;)
[01:20] <shakes808> Had a couple of drinks after work and wanted to be closer to home lol
[01:21] <shakes808> I believe my buddy is there again
[01:28] <widox> yeah, 6 people tonight
[01:29] <rick_h_> cool, I will return! hate missing CHC.
[04:28] <derekv> https://gist.github.com/3831430 =]
[04:32] <derekv> a little timid, first time coding c for a little while
[04:32] <derekv> should come up with something really aweful
[04:33] <derekv> was thinking if i could somehow build out ycombinators with function pointers
[11:00] <brousch> Which one of you glorious bastards is behind this? https://twitter.com/ShitMulkaSays
[11:15] <rick_h_> I didn't do anything
[12:12] <PainBank> snap-l: I assume you have been here: http://freemusicarchive.org/genre/Rock/
[12:30] <snap-l> PainBank: Yeah, haven't had much luck on there.
[12:32] <snap-l> Lots of "experimental" stuff, which loosely translates to "we're going to record tuning  our instruments through distortion pedals"
[12:33] <snap-l> I have more luck with Bandcamp, honestly
[12:36] <snap-l> http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Noisumon/For_The_Lovers/003_or_agaricus
[12:44] <PainBank> ah, annoying.
[13:29] <jrwren> derekv: that is c++, not c
[13:29] <jrwren> and with c++ you have proper lambdas with closure, much easier to build ycomb with that.
[13:30] <jrwren> also, boost has a nice partial function application library IIRC
[13:36] <snap-l> Wow, Rush is nominated for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
[13:37] <snap-l> Hell froze over.
[13:59] <rick_h_> lovely, back one day and the lawn guy hits the sprinkler line
[13:59]  * rick_h_ goes back on vacation
[14:02] <jrwren> did ya'll see Lessig is coming to u of m on monday?
[14:02] <jrwren> http://fordschool.umich.edu/events/calendar/1370/
[16:26] <rick_h_> donating your way jcastro_ got your back
[16:27] <jcastro_> \o/
[16:27] <jcastro_> Support your home team!
[16:27] <greg-g> jcastro_: what's your Debian add-on again?
[16:27] <rick_h_> darn foreign currencies
[16:27] <jcastro_> addon?
[16:27] <greg-g> dholbach is doing patch sending upstream, right?
[16:27] <greg-g> the thing Zack blogged about
[16:28] <rick_h_> yea, dholbach had a blog post this morning I thought
[16:28] <greg-g> you commented on his blog asking for ideas, I thought
[16:28] <greg-g> ah, I haven't read the blogs for today yet ;)
[16:28] <derekv> being at work, not writing code is annoying
[16:29] <derekv> i signed up for software developement, not fill out a report or sit and wait
[16:29] <greg-g> jcastro_: this post: http://upsilon.cc/~zack/blog/posts/2012/10/put_some_Debian_salt_in_the_Ubuntu_charity_marathon/
[16:29] <jcastro_> oh I haven't figured it out yet
[16:29] <rick_h_> derekv: hah
[16:30] <greg-g> jcastro_: little late, eh?
[16:30] <greg-g> ;)
[16:30] <jcastro_> I have like 18 hours to figure it out
[16:30] <derekv> i wonder if you could do your own inlining by derefrencing function pointers in c
[16:30] <derekv> forth style memory threading
[16:31] <snap-l> derekv: Could, probably. Should, hell no
[16:31] <derekv> not to any practicle end just for obfuscation or fun
[16:31] <snap-l> http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/tech/inline.html
[16:32] <derekv> haha you'd have to create your own stack handling as well
[16:32] <greg-g> jcastro_: thought the idea was to do the things today, but yeah, guess you could (though, if the point is to encourage more donations then you'll miss the window)
[16:32] <jcastro_> snap-l, are you listening in?
[16:32] <jcastro_> I'm going to mention you when they wrap up this part.
[16:32] <snap-l> jcastro_: No, I'm at work. :)
[16:32] <jcastro_> greg-g, yeah, I am just behind
[16:33] <snap-l> Listening now
[16:35] <greg-g> jcastro_: well, if you pick something cool I might donate to you, but, the others are beating you for now then ;)
[16:36] <greg-g> jcastro_: I poke because I care, and I kid
[16:36] <jcastro_> I know I know
[16:36] <jcastro_> I am just also trying to get some things done at work
[16:38] <jcastro_> greg-g, horrible timing, my lawn and paint and moving van all get here today
[16:38] <jcastro_> lol
[16:38] <jcastro_> dang, missed my chance to thank rick and craig
[16:38] <rick_h_> oh, I've got to donate to Daniel rock on
[16:39] <greg-g> jcastro_: ahh, haha, well man, I feel for ya then :/
[16:39] <jcastro_> I'll get there, just slammed. :)
[16:39] <snap-l> heh
[16:39] <greg-g> :)
[16:39] <greg-g> remember, it's a marathon, not a sprint (or some other words of encouragement)
[16:39] <rick_h_> we need to get a donation together to get a mic for David, the echo is horrible
[16:39] <jcastro_> heh
[16:40] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP58U_R3gK0 <- Keep this in mind, jcastro_
[16:40] <jcastro_> :)
[16:40] <greg-g> btw, it is amazing how much more happy I am with some things now that I have a working (ie: I can change settings like port forwarding) router.
[16:41] <snap-l> jcastro_: Also, Rush is nominated for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
[16:41] <jcastro_> snap-l, I know, that's what I wanted to say on the thing
[16:42] <snap-l> hah
[16:42] <jcastro_> big supporters of little kids rock
[16:42] <jcastro_> it's enough to convince greg that kids rock
[16:42] <greg-g> heh
[16:43] <rick_h_> jcastro_: how about doing something like 1k points on Debian SO
[16:43] <jcastro_> the problem is that they use osqa
[16:43] <jcastro_> or shapado or something
[16:44] <rick_h_> ah, doh
[16:45] <snap-l> ?
[16:46] <snap-l> jcastro_: Did I miss it? I'm bummed.
[16:47] <snap-l> W00t!
[16:47] <jcastro_> \o/
[16:49] <snap-l> God, now it's like Public Radio. ;)
[16:51] <snap-l> gae-rag
[16:58] <rick_h_> jcastro_: wife wants to know how you like working 24hrs?
[16:58] <rick_h_> jcastro_: she's cranky that no one donated during her medical 24hr shifts :P
[16:58] <rick_h_> and there was a lack of this rocking
[17:02] <jcastro_> rick_h_ I am only like 7 hours in
[17:13] <rick_h_> jcastro_: heh, yea my wife is getting a kick out of the thing. She was the one that kept reminding me to donate to your thing
[17:13] <jcastro_> <3
[19:43] <snap-l> I really want to know the science behind why I feel like I can do anything when Daft Punk's Tron Legacy soundtrack is on
[19:44]  * greg-g still hasn't listened to that yet
[19:44] <snap-l> greg-g: HIghly recommended
[19:44] <snap-l> It's 100% better than the movie.
[19:44] <snap-l> although I'm listening to Rush: Power Windows.
[19:47] <rick_h_> greg-g: ?!
[19:47] <rick_h_> it's top 10 coding music!
[19:47] <snap-l> Is there a list of coding music?
[19:47]  * snap-l should go to programmer.se to find out. ;)
[19:49] <greg-g> I have the Music for Programming "podcast" in Banshee
[19:50] <rick_h_> yes, there have been many lists made up over time
[19:58] <greg-g> this is what I'm referring to: http://www.musicforprogramming.net/
[20:00] <snap-l> Right, I found it. :)


[00:08]  * mwhudson lunches
[01:27] <thumper> how to I get emails into the stub mailer without transaction.commit() ?
[01:37] <thumper> mwhudson: how do we force a remirror?
[01:37] <thumper> mwhudson: lp:~kees/+junk/cpu-checker is fine in the hosted area, but screwed in mirrored
[01:50] <mwhudson> thumper: launchpadlib?
[01:50] <mwhudson> or lock and unlock
[01:50] <mwhudson> (i have a dead simple plugin for the latter)
[01:50] <thumper> mwhudson: we do pull --overwrite effectively don't we
[01:51] <mwhudson> thumper: yep
[01:51] <mwhudson> and blow it away if we can't open the branch
[02:02] <thumper> mwhudson: the blowing it away bit seems to not work
[02:02] <thumper> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kees/+junk/cpu-checker
[02:03] <mwhudson> thumper: argl
[02:03] <mwhudson> thumper: i see; you can open the branch in the mirrored side
[02:04] <mwhudson> thumper: but not, say, run log on it
[02:04] <thumper> mwhudson: yeah
[02:04] <thumper> mwhudson: or get the ancestry
[02:04] <thumper> mwhudson: any idea how that happened?
[02:04] <thumper> I don't
[02:04] <thumper> losa: ping
[02:05] <mwhudson> thumper: nope
[02:08] <wgrant> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel
[02:08] <wgrant> That says "Updating branch"
[02:08] <wgrant> But I know that the revision was visible on LP 7 minutes ago.
[02:09] <wgrant> (visible meaning "in the mirrored copy", I guess)
[02:15] <thumper> wgrant: yes
[02:15] <thumper> ...
[02:15] <thumper> arse
[02:15] <thumper> ENOLOSA
[02:16] <wgrant> thumper: That seems an excessive amount of time to scan one new rev. That can't be normal, surely?
[02:16] <thumper> wgrant: no it isn't normal
[02:16] <thumper> wgrant: there is something wrong
[02:16] <wgrant> Ah, good.
[02:16] <thumper> wgrant: but the system is opaque
[02:17] <thumper> jml: see, a job viewer would be really useful here
[02:20] <mwhudson> launchpad/devel is up to date now
[02:20] <wgrant> mwhudson: Yeah, it took a bit over 10 minutes to scan.
[02:25] <thumper> wgrant: scanning is still a serial process for all branches in Launchpad
[02:25] <wgrant> thumper: Ah, yes. Ew.
[02:31] <thumper> wgrant: FWIW, if the email gets sent, the scanner has finished
[02:31] <thumper> wgrant: it could have been replication lag you were seeing
[02:33] <wgrant> thumper: The email wasn't sent until at least 10 minutes after it was pulled, so it wasn't repl lag.
[02:36] <thumper> wgrant: well, there is a delay after the pull before the scan, and a delay after the scan to send the email
[02:36] <thumper> wgrant: shouldn't be 10 minutes though
[03:10]  * wgrant fixes community-contributions.py to work with db-devel.
[03:27] <jml> thumper, I never argued that it was inherently useless.
[03:34] <lifeless> jml: morning?
[03:54]  * mwhudson winds up a not particularly productive day
[06:17] <wgrant> mwhudson: Looks like that ec2 land evaporated.
[06:18] <wgrant> Which is odd, since I've had 4 EC2 emails come through successfully in the past 24 hours. So maybe your mail config hates me.
[06:31] <wgrant> kfogel: https://dev.launchpad.net/Contributions/Draft, produced by lp:~wgrant/launchpad/community-contributions-fixes, now with db-devel support and unbroken post-r9999 sorting.
[07:59] <adeuring> good morning
[08:14] <wgrant> henninge: Morning.
[08:15] <henninge> Hi wgrant! ;)
[08:16] <wgrant> henninge: So, intellectronica landed that first branch that you reviewed this morning after the testfix. Can you please try to land the second one that noodles UI-reviewed?
[08:16] <wgrant> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/fix-build-breadcrumbs/+merge/20888, that is.
[08:16] <noodles775> wgrant: oh, I saw that mwhudson had updated the commit message and assumed he was landing it?
[08:17] <wgrant> noodles775: He tried, but APAC eC2 hates me and just avaporates.
[08:17] <wgrant> European landings tend to work fine.
[08:17] <noodles775> Ah.
[08:17] <henninge> wgrant: np, I will do it.
[08:17] <wgrant> But when the NZers try it, the instances almost always disappear :(
[08:18] <wgrant> henninge: Thanks.
[08:19] <mwhudson> wgrant: yep, instance gone :/
[08:19] <wgrant> mwhudson: Yay.
[09:04] <wgrant> noodles775: Thanks.
[09:04] <noodles775> wgrant: np.
[09:11] <mrevell> Guten morgen
[09:11] <noodles775> Morgan mrevell.
[09:12] <mrevell> :)
[11:00] <deryck> Morning, all.
[11:11] <allenap> adeuring: I'm having a look at your IPerson/IHasBugs issue.
[11:11] <adeuring> allenap: thanks!
[11:22] <deryck> gmb, intellectronica -- heat looks like it's finally updating as it should now.
[11:23] <intellectronica> deryck: yes. loganberry was, as you suspected, behind. a re-roll fixed the problem.
[11:23] <deryck> gmb, intellectronica -- can you two create a combined file of sql to update heat and max_bug_heat and get that run, to get us updated across the board, now that the jobs system will keep it up to date.
[11:24] <intellectronica> i'm not sure we can do that with just sql, can we?
[11:24] <gmb> intellectronica: We can update bug heat with SQL. max_bug_heat I don't know about.
[11:24] <intellectronica> gmb: what do you think? can we do that with sql, or maybe a script that creates heat calculation jobs?
[11:25] <intellectronica> gmb: we can calculate it in sql
[11:25] <deryck> intellectronica, I think so.  that same queries in the model code for max_bug_heat can be fed into an update.
[11:25] <gmb> intellectronica: In that case we should be fine. I'll dig out my bug heat queries.
[11:26] <gmb> SQL for updating bug heat is here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/391693/
[11:26] <intellectronica> gmb: the main problem i see with doing this with just sql is that it will result in queries that take too long to run
[11:26] <gmb> intellectronica: Yeah, that's a risk.
[11:27] <gmb> OTOH, if we create a CalculateBugHeatJob for each of 500,000+ bugs those jobs will take a long time, too.
[11:27] <intellectronica> gmb: i wonder, since you've started working on a script to create jobs, if it wouldn't be easier to use that
[11:27] <deryck> intellectronica, like gmb says jobs for every bug is too long, too.
[11:28] <intellectronica> deryck: right, but it doesn't happen in a single transaction
[11:28] <gmb> intellectronica: Well, it's not a very finessed script: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/391695/
[11:28] <deryck> intellectronica, hmmm, good point.
[11:28] <intellectronica> :)
[11:28] <intellectronica> simple i like
[11:30] <deryck> hmmmm, I'm not liking the mass create bug jobs idea either.
[11:30] <intellectronica> deryck: what are we actually trying to solve?
[11:30] <gmb> deryck: We could use a looptuner. But that's liable to take a day or so to complete because it's quite conservative.
[11:30] <intellectronica> do we want to calculate heat for all bugs, or just get max_heat calculated?
[11:39] <deryck> intellectronica, I want both, heat for all bugs and max_bug_heat.  sort of a reset, since the update heat system hasn't been working completely until now.
[11:41] <intellectronica> deryck, gmb: right. i'd say creating jobs (and letting them process over the day or so it might take) is probably the best approach, since it's safe and exercises the code we've already written (rather than emulate it with unrelated sql).
[11:43] <gmb> intellectronica: In that case we should try the creation script on staging first to make sure that it doesn't hold the transaction open too long or anythign similarly annoying.
[11:44] <deryck> intellectronica, gmb -- yeah, this is my only concern is that create 500,000+ jobs in one fell swoop has issues we don't yet know about.
[11:45] <deryck> if we test on staging first, I'm fine to do it that way.
[11:45] <gmb> deryck: Actually, an issue that occurs to me is that the processing script might try to do them all at once (it's generic code, so I've never subjected it to any kind of massive load test).
[11:45] <intellectronica> let's try that, and if that doesn't work, batch it by target, or just in batches of bugs
[11:46] <gmb> Once we've created the jobs on staging we should run cronscripts/calculate-bug-heat.py and see what happens.
[11:46] <intellectronica> gmb: hmmm ... so maybe it's better to start with batching. create a batch of jobs, process them, repeat...
[11:47] <gmb> intellectronica: Possibly. I think that the script will cope with that. The proof of the pudding is in the staging, however. :)
[11:47] <intellectronica> heh
[12:19] <allenap> adeuring: I can't figure out why it's not working, but I have a word-around: http://paste.ubuntu.com/391719/
[12:21] <allenap> adeuring: I also noticed that the LaunchpadObjectFactory was doing some naughty things - unwrapping security proxies and never re-adding them - so I fixed that. You probably shouldn't apply that part of the patch; I'll file a bug about it.
[13:22] <adeuring> allenap: thanks!
[13:22] <allenap> adeuring: You're welcome :) Still a mystery though...
[13:23] <adeuring> yeah...
[13:26] <allenap> adeuring: salgado's solution is more elegant (bool). But that doesn't explain why person.all_bugtasks.limit is forbidden and product.all_bugtasks.limit isn't.
[13:27] <adeuring> allenap: right, that's what I was asking me too ;)
[13:29] <allenap> adeuring: Fwiw, I filed bug 535021 about the naked object problems in LPO.
[13:29] <mup> Bug #535021: Some LaunchpadObjectFactory methods remove security proxies then inadvertently return naked objects <Launchpad itself:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/535021>
[13:30] <adeuring> allenap: great, thanks
[13:30] <adeuring> allenap: I'm wondering if that would also explain that the tests for product.has_bugtasks did not fail
[13:31] <adeuring> argh... that's about _person_ objects....
[13:31] <allenap> adeuring: Yeah, seems likely.
[13:32] <allenap> adeuring: If it is the case, could you comment on that bug to say that it has caused confusion already?
[13:32] <adeuring> sure
[13:33] <salgado> adeuring, allenap, if it works for Product it's because for that class the return value of all_bugtasks is not security proxied
[13:33] <adeuring> salgado: maybe ... but why?
[13:33] <salgado> I see that Person.searchTasks() returns getUtility(IBugTaskSet).search(search_params, *args), so it is security proxied
[13:33] <salgado> now looking for Product.searchTasks()
[13:34] <salgado> HasBugsBase returns BugTaskSet().search(search_params)
[13:34] <salgado> which is not security proxied
[13:34] <salgado> that's why
[13:34] <adeuring> ahhh, thanks!
[13:35] <allenap> salgado: Of course! Somehow I missed that Person implements its own searchTasks().
[13:35] <adeuring> so that's what should be fxided
[13:37] <allenap> adeuring: Even so, probably still use the bool(result_set) or is_empty() fix too. It's supposedly more efficient than count(), though I don't know by how much.
[13:37] <adeuring> allenap: right
[14:06] <thekorn> mrevell, allenap, hi, I started writing a blog post about my experiences as a launchpad contributor, but I'm not done with it yet, I think I need another 2 days
[14:06] <mrevell> thekorn, Hey, thanks for working on that. Whenever you're ready is great.
[14:06] <allenap> thekorn: That's brilliant :)
[14:13] <kfogel> wgrant: OMG, that rocks.  I will review today.  Want to make a merge proposal?
[14:48] <intellectronica> jtv: i don't think this is a result of any of my branches, and i'm even tempted to just try and force a rebuild
[14:48] <jelmer> allenap: You just filed a bug against launchpad itself rather than a particular component, was that intentional?
[14:48] <intellectronica> but will look more closely
[14:49] <jtv> intellectronica: noodles775 seems to concur... too late at night for me to look at the details but I agree.
[14:50] <intellectronica> noodles775: so, force a rebuild?
[14:50] <noodles775> intellectronica: yeah, I'm just running `bin/test -vvt testLibrarianWorking` at the moment on tip of devel, it's working so far without error.
[14:51] <noodles775> yep, it just finished without error. So +1 for force a rebuild :)
[14:52] <jtv> intellectronica: you want to press the button?
[14:52] <intellectronica> jtv: pressed
[14:52] <jtv> thanks!
[14:58] <allenap> jelmer: Yes, kind of. A foundations responsibility perhaps, but one which anyone could fix.
[14:59] <jml> allenap, that is that sad tune to which the song of foundations is sung.
[15:00] <allenap> jml: :) Is there an easily identifiable subset of foundations bugs that could be tackled by us mortals? Would that simply be bugs tagged trivial?
[15:01] <jml> allenap, good question! /me punts to gary_poster
[15:02] <jelmer> allenap: ah, thanks
[15:04] <gary_poster> jml, allenap, not really.  I suppose I could start doing that, though, if I knew what the distinction might be.  FWIW, bugs tagged as UI that don't involve CSS bugs are good candidates, but I think you are asking for the opposite way round (how do I tag, rather than how do I find)
[15:10] <allenap> gary_poster: I don't really know what I'm thinking of, but it was brought about by bug 535021. It's something I'd be happy to fix, but it doesn't belong on the malone project where deryck or I might see it in the normal course of things, and schedule it. TBH, we're all busy enough that finding new sources of work is probably not going to fly far. Most of the time, work is feature driven rather than looking for bugs to fix.
[15:11] <mup> Bug #535021: Some LaunchpadObjectFactory methods remove security proxies then inadvertently return naked objects <Launchpad Foundations:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/535021>
[15:14] <gary_poster> allenap: yeah.  Non-foundations people take "foundations" bugs all the time.  Registry does this in particular.  I think it is fabulous.
[15:15] <allenap> gary_poster: Cool. I'll try and join that merry band :) Want any malone bugs? ;)
[15:16] <gary_poster> allenap: heh, uh, no. :-)
[15:22] <mramirez>  might indicate where the configuration is positioned to Logear launchpad with ldap
[15:25] <mramirez>  might indicate where the configuration is positioned to Logear launchpad with ldap
[15:25] <mramirez> * [Chan
[15:46] <didrocks> jml: I'm not as popular than you, my branch got rejected because of no description :)
[15:47] <didrocks> jml: I'm adding some now
[15:54] <adiroiban> danilos: do you know when the +translate UI rework will be done?
[15:54] <danilos> adiroiban, no, though I'd like to raise priority because I consider it tech-debt and very important for anything we want to do
[15:55] <adiroiban> in the Romanian team, we are trying to use Launchpad for our review process
[15:56] <adiroiban> and bug 339507 is a real blocker
[15:56] <mup> Bug #339507: translation page should show old translations <ui> <Launchpad Translations:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/339507>
[15:56] <danilos> adiroiban, yeah, I understand; as I said, I won't mind you fixing that bug right now in the same manner, and we'll only have to be careful not to break it when we do the pofile:+translate rework
[15:57] <adiroiban> well, there should be a next test for this bug and it should catch this kind of regressions
[15:58] <danilos> adiroiban, well, with a thing like entire page/view rewrite, you don't really get the benefit of testing (with pagetests), since we'd be using entirely different views
[15:59] <adiroiban> well, if there will be such a regression
[15:59] <adiroiban> I will notice it :_)
[16:00] <allenap> jelmer: I understand what you were asking now. I forgot that there were both launchpad and launchpad-foundations projects. Thank you for reassigning that bug.
[16:17] <danilos> adiroiban, fwiw, I am having issues with ec2 land (if you are interested why your branch hasn't landed yet)
[16:18] <adiroiban> danilos: ok. are they general issues, or directly caused by my branch?
[16:22] <henninge> danilos, adiroiban: It took me a few attempts, too.
[16:23] <danilos> adiroiban, general issues it seems
[16:23] <henninge> danilos: have you done the sudo apt-get install python-zope.inferface thing?
[16:23] <danilos> henninge, does it appear to you as if it doesn't go headless for me
[16:23] <danilos> henninge, I think I did, I successfully ran a bunch of tests and ec2 test
[16:24] <henninge> I had prlbmes landing branches, wgrant's lately.
[16:24] <danilos> henninge, fwiw, there are some lp-dev-deps updates that I haven't installed, let me try that (though, I've had problems for more than a day now)
[16:28] <leonardr> intellectronica, i'd like your opinion on bug 534066
[16:28] <mup> Bug #534066: changing bugtask attributes via api gives "412 precondition failed" <api> <Launchpad Bugs:Triaged by james-w> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/534066>
[16:28] <intellectronica> leonardr: sure, looking
[16:30] <intellectronica> leonardr: that bug itself has a fix, and will be deployed soon, once it hits production-devel. but i agree this is a general problem we need a solution for
[16:30] <leonardr> intellectronica: what's the fix, and can you tell me some other places where the problem exists?
[16:31] <intellectronica> leonardr: so yes, task_age will be removed (it was removed already a month ago and only made a comeback because of a freak accident). but sooner or later we'll have a field which we can't remove and cause a similar problem
[16:31] <leonardr> are there any such fields now? if not, i'm going to focus on other sources of 412 errors
[16:32] <leonardr> also, my argument applies to any field that's important enough to go into the representation but not important enough to change the etag when it changes
[16:32] <leonardr> you'll have no way of knowing whether your value for that field is accurate
[16:33] <intellectronica> leonardr: none i can think of off the top of my head, but even task_age itself, while cheap to remove now, was introduced because a consumer wanted it.
[16:33] <intellectronica> leonardr: well, it depends whether the field is writeable. i don't see why it's such a big problem to have read-only fields that are in the representation but aren't used for etag calculation.
[16:34] <danilos> henninge, fwiw, updating all source deps made 'ec2 land' go headless for me
[16:34] <leonardr> if the values of those fields never change, it's fine
[16:34] <leonardr> like date_created
[16:34] <danilos> henninge, s/source deps/lp deps/
[16:34] <leonardr> if they change and the etag doesn't change, the client never finds out that the value changed
[16:34] <henninge> danilos: yes, I basically had to do the same.
[16:34] <intellectronica> leonardr: anyway, that's just something to keep in mind. i agree with you that it's best now to figure out all the other 412 errors and worry about adding this facility later.
[16:34] <danilos> anyway, done for the day
[16:35] <intellectronica> leonardr: right, but in the case of task_age this is something we could live with
[16:36] <intellectronica> anyway, i didn't even think this through enough to have an opinion
[16:36] <leonardr> intellectronica: for me "we could live with this data being arbitrarily out-of-date" -> "we don't need this data"
[16:36] <leonardr> i have the first glimpses of a couple solutions, i'll write them up in the bug
[16:37] <intellectronica> leonardr: that's not exactly true, but judging by this case that's an approximation of the truth. consumers can get this value by calculating locally.
[16:37] <leonardr> intellectronica: without putting you on the spot, can you give me a hypothetical counterexample?
[16:41] <intellectronica> leonardr: i can think of many read-only attributes where a change in their value is completely irrelevant to a patch you're submitting to the object, and where the only reason they don't usually cause a problem is that they don't tend to change as frequently as every second. consider the number of affected users for a bug, for example.
[16:41] <intellectronica> or bug heat
[16:42] <intellectronica> the likelihood of the values changing between a fetch and a patch operation is evidently not as high, but if it does, you won't be able to patch even though there's no real reason for you not to be able to, it's just a side effect of the way caching works
[16:43] <leonardr> intellectronica: the problem is, if we changed it so those fields didn't affect the etag, clients would never know when the bug heat or affected users changed
[16:43] <leonardr> or rather, they would only find out when something _else_ changed
[16:44] <leonardr> it would be really nice if we could publish two etags, a GET etag and a PATCH etag
[16:44] <intellectronica> leonardr: right, so maybe the problem isn't really how we do caching, but how we decide whether a patch is valid. we just don't have enough information because we don't know which fields changed.
[16:45] <intellectronica> leonardr: you mean a read-only and a read/write tag? that sounds like a pretty good solution.
[16:45] <intellectronica> is there a sensible way to publish this in as part of the protocol?
[16:45] <leonardr> i've never heard of anyone doing that, and it's not part of the http standard
[16:47] <intellectronica> but maybe as an extra header?
[16:47] <intellectronica> this must be a problem many REST implementations must have
[16:47] <leonardr> i may write a blog post about this and see if anyone has ideas
[16:49] <leonardr> intellectronica: another way to do it is to check last-modified for PATCH and etag for GET
[16:50] <leonardr> but we'd have to make sure that changes to those read-only fields don't affect last-modified
[16:50] <intellectronica> leonardr: for last-modified you need to be synchronised with the server time somehow, but i guess that's not a serious problem
[16:50] <leonardr> intellectronica: not really, last-modified is just a string you get from the server and send back, like etag
[16:50] <intellectronica> heh, yeah, makes sense
[16:51] <james_w> leonardr: did you see the mailing list discussion about this?
[16:51] <leonardr> james_w: i know there was one a while back, i haven't gotten into it yet
[16:52] <james_w> a while back being last week?
[16:52] <leonardr> yeah
[16:52] <james_w> right
[16:54] <james_w> I would suggest you start there, it has some discussion on the questions you ask in the bug
[16:55] <leonardr> james_w: ok, i'm going there now
[18:54] <jml> thumper, ping
[21:05] <wgrant> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/fix-build-breadcrumbs/+merge/20888 and https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/buildstatus-to-buildmaster/+merge/20892 failed a couple of tests last night, but I've fixed them -- can somebody ec2land them, please?
[21:32] <wgrant> kfogel: Do you want to review the c-c.py branch?
[21:38] <kfogel> wgrant: yes.  Can you just make it into a merge proposal and request a review from me?  (I can't do it right now, but I will later.)
[21:38] <wgrant> kfogel: Done, thanks. You should have mail in a few seconds.
[21:39] <kfogel> wgrant: I hate the way launchpad doesn't update the diff immediately, sigh :-).
[22:23] <intellectronica> kfogel: is there a better way to not update the diff immediately? :)
[23:31] <mwhudson> bizarre, pidgin seems to have got all crashy suddenly?
[23:59] <NCommander> Is anyone actively working on implementing package sets (for archive reorg) in launchpad?


[00:49] <jdstrand> asac: all should be copied to main, except the 4 that ftbfs everywhere
[09:32] <mahfouz> is this a packaging bug?
[09:32] <mahfouz> libgjs0: Depends: xulrunner-1.9.1 (<= <IP_ADDRESS>~) but <IP_ADDRESS>~hg20100306r26808+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1 is to be installed
[09:33] <ddecator> mahfouz, what version of ubuntu are you running?
[09:34] <mahfouz> lucid
[09:35] <ddecator> huh...that's the version i have installed with lucid
[09:35] <mahfouz> yeah, it works
[09:35] <mahfouz> it's just that libgjs0 does not install
[09:36] <mahfouz> I can run xulrunner just fine, but there are conflicts with other packages
[09:36] <ddecator> oh yah, i got that during the upgrade. it might be related to a move up to 1.9.2, but i'm not sure...micahg or asac would know better
[10:55] <yofel> asac: is there a specific reason why firefox doesn't recognize plugins in /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins anymore?
[10:56] <yofel> (firefox 3.6 in lucid)
[12:19] <asac> jdstrand: you rock :)
[12:19] <asac> yofel: yes, that dir was a special dir that came with oiur xulrunner
[12:19] <asac> now ffox doesnt use xulrunner anymore, so thats gone
[12:20] <yofel> ok, so moonlight-plugin-mozilla needs to be fixed too
[12:20]  * yofel goes filing a bug
[12:20] <asac> mahfouz: feels odd that libgjs0: Depends: xulrunner-1.9.1 (<= <IP_ADDRESS>~)
[12:20] <asac> yofel: yeah
[13:19]  * eagles0513875 waves to asac
[18:49] <mahfouz_> I'm in lucid and fx 3.6 installs xulrunner 1.9.1 for me
[18:49] <mahfouz_> isn't that wrong?
[18:49] <mahfouz_> shouldn't it install 1.9.2?
[19:01] <mahfouz_> oh, no wait: ubuntu-desktop depends on xulrunner-1.9.1, not firefox
[19:32] <fta> I hate the new themes
[19:35] <mahfouz_> which one you hate more?
[19:45] <mahfouz_> decide and then use the other one
[19:46] <fta> all new themes seem to add a white border around the background
[19:48] <mahfouz_> background of window or background of desktop?
[19:50] <mahfouz_> white border around desktop wallpaper seems to be a bug
[19:50] <mahfouz_> for intel cards
[19:51] <fta> nvidia here
[19:52] <fta> i'm back to darkroom
[19:58] <BUGabundo> fta: I'm on my old new dust
[20:01] <fta> I moved the icons back to the right
[20:01] <BUGabundo> me too
[20:01] <BUGabundo> I think almost everyone in #+1 did
[20:02] <BUGabundo> $ gconftool-2 --set "/apps/metacity/general/button_layout" --type string ":minimize,maximize,close"
[20:53] <BUGabundo> fta: which location takes precedence? system or local profile, for flash?
[20:54] <BUGabundo> I need to make my webcam work with flash
[20:54] <BUGabundo> and 64bits is no go
[21:00] <fta> no idea
[21:00] <fta> local most probably
[21:01] <BUGabundo> so I can put libdlash.so in mozilla plugins dir
[21:01] <BUGabundo> and that's the one that would be used?
[21:05] <BUGabundo> didn't work
[21:05] <BUGabundo> not am I sure its using the proper codec
[21:08] <BUGabundo> fta: is there a quick way to check which version of flash my browsers are using ?
[21:09] <BUGabundo> all I get is " Shockwave Flash 10.0 r45"
[21:09] <BUGabundo> no idea if 64 or 32
[21:22] <fta> BUGabundo, try to lsof the pid
[21:22] <BUGabundo> right
[21:23] <BUGabundo> well I just removed flash 64bits .so
[21:23] <BUGabundo> and installed from archive
[21:23] <BUGabundo> I expect to have 32bits
[21:23] <BUGabundo> but still no go
[21:23] <BUGabundo> will try to preload the camera .so or something :(
[21:24] <BUGabundo> $ LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib32/libv4l/v4l1compat.so firefox-3.7
[21:24] <BUGabundo> ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib32/libv4l/v4l1compat.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
[21:24] <BUGabundo> guess not


[10:01] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Hug a Bear Day! :-D
[14:19] <dobey> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPdPrVIKfE8
[14:19] <JamesTait> dobey, "
[14:19] <JamesTait> This video is not available in your country.
[14:19] <JamesTait> "
[14:19] <dobey> pfft
[14:19] <JamesTait> ikr
[14:21] <dobey> JamesTait: it's actually "Huggy Bear" day
[14:21] <JamesTait> Starsky and Hutch?
[14:22] <dobey> yeah
[14:22] <JamesTait> wfm
[14:22]  * dobey goes back to swap day
[14:22] <JamesTait> Enjoy!
[15:11] <davmor2> dobey: I instantly gave him a bear hug apparently that worked too :)


[04:26] <seele> at the risk of starting a flame war
[04:26] <seele> http://www.fauxto.com/
[04:26] <seele> why cant we have an image editor that simple to use in linux?
[04:26] <seele> its built in flash for fucks sake
[09:58] <\sh> moins kwwii
[10:00] <kwwii> hehe
[10:00] <kwwii> hi \sh
[10:00] <kwwii> haven't seen you in a while
[10:01] <kwwii> how's life?
[10:06] <\sh> kwwii: busy as usual :) sitting at combots (ka) and dealing with FAI and exchanging sles9 with ubuntu server ;)
[10:07] <kwwii> sounds like fun! ;-)
[10:07] <\sh> kwwii: hehe...yeah :) dealing with suse and ubuntu at the same time is quite funny ;) and how are you and your family?
[10:08] <kwwii> doing pretty well
[10:08] <kwwii> in between contracts at the moment, so I am working a lot on Oxygen
[10:09] <kwwii> interviewed for a fulltime position at canonical yesterday, actually
[10:09] <\sh> kwwii: fulltime? I wish I could go back to freelancing ... the loss of money is awesome ;)
[10:10] <\sh> that reminds me to check the company homepage of a colleague for a new job ;)
[10:11] <kwwii> lol, yeah that is true but having a fulltime job is better when you have a family to support
[10:11] <\sh> kwwii: don't tell me ;) I know it very well...oh, my ex and child are in new zealand...and I have a new GF..which is much more fun ;)
[10:13] <kwwii> I can imagine :-)
[10:13] <kwwii> I need a girlfriend :p
[10:15] <\sh> lol...you are happily married :) you don't need one ;)
[10:15] <kwwii> oh, I bet it would be a bit more fun for a while at least
[10:15] <kwwii> lol
[10:15] <kwwii> just kidding
[10:20] <allee> sure?
[10:20] <allee> hi kwwii \sh
[10:21] <kwwii> howdy allee
[10:21] <kwwii> I am happily married
[10:21] <kwwii> but after 9 years things are not as exciting as they once were
[10:22] <allee> kwwii: I'm happily not marrried, but after 15 years with a permanent gf I agree ;)
[10:22] <raphink> hey guys stop that :p
[10:22] <raphink> I'm getting married in 4 months:p
[10:22] <raphink> don't spoil it ;)
[10:23] <raphink> hehe :)
[10:23] <allee> raphink: I regret nothing!
[10:23] <raphink> :)
[10:23] <allee> :)
[10:23] <kwwii> hehe
[10:23] <kwwii> hi raphink
[10:23] <kwwii> being married is a wonderfull experience
[10:23] <kwwii> and I wouldn't change a thing, but things in you change over time
[10:24] <allee> and kids support this 'changing' a lot ;)
[10:24] <raphink> :)
[10:25] <kwwii> no doubt
[10:25] <kwwii> but being a father is amazing
[10:25] <kwwii> very hard sometimes but definitely worth it
[10:27] <allee> kwwii: yes, holeheartly agreed
[10:27] <kwwii> ;-)
[10:32] <raphink> hehe :)
[10:32] <raphink> I can't wait to be married and have children :)
[10:38] <kwwii> just be sure the have children at the right time, or it can be really hard ;-)
[10:39] <raphink> mhm
[10:42] <\sh> I'm practicing right now, to have my own children again ;)
[10:42] <kwwii> lol
[10:43] <allee> \sh: can't be a serious attempt when you find time to chat in parallel ;)
[10:43] <\sh> allee: I don't chat on during the weekend ;)
[10:44] <\sh> and right now, I'm integrating some servers into our ldap structure ;)
[10:44] <\sh> "practicing right now" means "during weekends" =->
[10:45] <\sh> hey Hobbsee
[10:45] <kwwii> howdy Hobbsee
[10:46] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:02] <Hobbsee> argh, it seems kdesu has stopped working for the last few updates
[11:05] <allee> hi Hobbsee
[11:05] <Hobbsee> hey allee, \sh kwwii and Jucato
[11:06] <allee> \sh is the ldap work useful ubuntu-directory spec?
[11:15] <\sh> allee: somehow yes...:) pam integration + sudo integration...problem in the moment is, that our ldap server is still running on sles9 but for next month I have a planned move to ubuntu serverubun
[11:15] <\sh> including syncing from ADS servers
[11:17] <allee> \sh: well, ADS integration is luckily not necessary here.  But we've to merge kerberos in because we use AFS.
[11:18] <\sh> we don't use kerberos right now...integration is planned for 2nd quarter of 2007
[11:21] <allee> \sh you use slapd 2.2 or already 2.3?  The ACL handling in ldap repo sounds promising.
[11:29] <\sh> allee:2.3
[11:31] <allee> \sh: are there debs? last time I checked I wasn't successful
[11:32] <\sh> allee: we build it on sles9...i didn't check for debian/ubuntu at this time...but if there are no packages we have to produce some ;)
[11:34] <allee> \sh: I'll check again.  I want to switch all desktops to ldap.  (but first I have to fai them all)
[11:34] <\sh> we have here two dl360g40 running 2.3 with heartbeat  ;)
[11:35] <allee> \sh: 'only' sun Galaxies here ;)
[11:35] <\sh> a bit overtuned somehow, but we have enough hardware here ;)
[11:35] <\sh> hmmm...I have to compile a new kernel this afternoon...FUN
[11:35] <allee> \sh for ldap, dns etc every recent server hardware is oversized
[11:36] <\sh> allee: I thought about moving them to two vmware instances ;)
[11:36] <allee> shudder
[11:36] <\sh> yepp
[02:02] <Hobbsee> kwwii: ping?
[02:03] <kwwii> Hobbsee: pong
[02:04] <Hobbsee> kwwii: the new upstream of kwin-style-crystal - do they have all your icon changes in kubuntu?
[02:05] <imbrandon> bbiab
[02:06] <kwwii> Hobbsee: I think so, yes
[02:06] <Hobbsee> kwwii: positive?  :P
[02:07] <kwwii> unless they changed something
[02:07] <kwwii> no sure, I guess :-)
[02:08] <kwwii> s/no/not
[02:08] <kwwii> I don't normally check stuff like that :-)
[02:08] <Hobbsee> hrm
[02:08] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure i trust my brain, but i think that's a sync
[02:09] <Hobbsee> although i'm not sur ewhat sharutils is doing as a b-d there
[02:11] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, sure, i'll check it in a few
[02:11] <imbrandon> i was gonna do it today anyhow
[02:11] <Hobbsee> ok
[03:00] <danimo> imbrandon: ping?
[03:00] <danimo> moin folks
[03:56] <mhb> hi everyone
[04:17] <bddebian> Heya
[04:21] <Jucato> boo?
[04:23] <bddebian> Oh, yeah Boo, thanks Jucato ;-)
[06:14] <jdong> nixternal: I see you're subscribed to the iPodVideoEncoding wiki page?
[06:16] <jdong> nixternal: I've added H.264 and 640x480 encoding instructions to the page
[06:16] <nixternal> SIP'n it ey?
[06:16] <jdong> :)
[06:17] <nixternal> ya, i am subscribed to every wiki page, that way there if vandalism occurs I can fix it if I am around
[06:17] <jdong> nixternal: those commands took me nearly 30 hours to perfect, so I thought I should share it with the world: D
[06:20] <nixternal> hehe
[06:27] <jdong> here, added more info about DVD ripping too :D
[09:12] <Stalwart> oh, cool =]
[09:13] <Stalwart> is installer on feisty herd 1 cd broken?
[09:13] <Stalwart> it gives me traceback
[09:13] <Stalwart>   File "/usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/kde-ui.py", line 27, in ?
[09:13] <Stalwart>     from kdeui import *
[09:13] <Stalwart> ImportError: dynamic module does not define init function (initkdeui)
[09:15] <jdong> weird
[09:15] <Stalwart> yup
[09:15] <jdong> Stalwart: I don't think they'd let that slip thru though :-/
[09:15] <Stalwart> ++
[09:16] <Stalwart> i want to install feisty because my hardware sucks and i need fresh kernel =\
[09:16] <Stalwart> and also just because kubuntu is fucking awesome now =]
[09:16] <Stalwart> \o/
[09:17] <Stalwart> i'm running livecd now - developers have done good work
[09:17] <Stalwart> i want to install it x.x
[09:24] <jdong> Stalwart: you might wanna try the alternate CD
[09:24] <jdong> it's a much more reliable install particularly during the development cycle
[09:26] <Stalwart> jdong: yup, i'll download it tomorrow =\
[11:27] <kwwii> is qt4 installed on edgy by defualt?
[11:38] <Stalwart> kwwii: i doubt, qt4 still isn't widely used
[11:38] <Stalwart> you can grep package list
[11:39] <kwwii> some of it is installed, but I had to install extra stuff to build a package
[11:39] <kwwii> hehe, first I did apt-get autoremove and it removed my xorg, adept, etc. because for some reason kubuntu-desktop was not installed
[11:39] <Stalwart> you always need to install "extra stuff", in debian-based distros headers are in separate package
[11:40] <Stalwart> ^_^
[11:40] <kwwii> moments like that remind one to make a backup :-)
[11:49] <nixternal> wasabi kwizzle
[11:50] <kwwii> kwizzle?
[11:50] <nixternal> hehe
[11:50] <nixternal> the snoop dog version of kwwii
[11:50] <nixternal> actually it would be kwwiiwizzle
[11:50] <kwwii> k-wizzy-wizzler
[11:50] <nixternal> haha
[11:50] <kwwii> that's me
[11:51] <nixternal> you comin' back to chicago for the holidays?
[11:51] <kwwii> not this yera
[11:51] <kwwii> year
[11:51] <nixternal> ahh..i am waiting for jerome gotangco to call/msg/ping/ring the doorbell you name it
[11:51] <kwwii> looks like I might be there around late january though
[11:52] <kwwii> hehe, cool
[11:52] <nixternal> up in wisconsin again?


[01:20] <patrick_> irc is filled with the names of people that don't really chat
[01:21] <arraybolt3> o/
[01:22] <arraybolt3> Well a lot of people like to idle and watch what happens, and also most of the time this channel is quiet unless someone needs help.
[01:22] <patrick_> yeah.
[01:22] <patrick_> wish i could get used to KDE
[01:23] <patrick_> KDE is great and i can totally see why if you love KDE, you REALLY love KDE
[01:23] <patrick_> whts your take on KDE Bolt?
[01:23] <patrick_> whats
[01:24] <arraybolt3> Personally, I think it's really nice and one of my favorite DEs.
[01:24] <arraybolt3> I like how it works smoothly and doesn't get in your way too much.
[01:24] <patrick_> did you ever use KDE back in the early days? Say early 2ks?
[01:25] <arraybolt3> No, first experience with it was with Kubuntu 14.04. This is probably a better conversation for #ubuntu-discuss, just mentioning this so no one gets in trouble since this channel is usually used for tech support only.
[01:25] <patrick_> gotcha
[01:26] <patrick_> thanks for the heads up
[01:26] <patrick_> thank you for the chat too! have a great one buddy!
[01:26] <arraybolt3> Thanks!
[01:45] <Amadrox> Hey everyone, does someone know how I can hide sinks from pulseaudio in KDE? Especially in the volume tray it's annoying to have my "helper" sinks
[07:45] <|aaron> I am having some weird issues after updating my 22.04 kubuntu desktop a few days ago. Plasma doesnt start automatically, I have to switch to a different tty and login. (tty1 hangs at "Reached target Multi-User System"). I can login but I have no network connectivity, in fact my NICs seem to not be detected at all any more (just the "lo" device
[07:45] <|aaron> listed by "ip addr", nothing else). Even weirder, I cant find any errors in journalctl.
[07:45] <|aaron> I booted from the rescue usb, chrooted in and updated everything to the absolute latest, and re installed grub, but that didnt help at all..
[07:46] <|aaron> I can start plasma manually with startx, sddm is running
[07:49] <alkisg> |aaron: what's the output of `uname -r` when you have no network?
[07:49] <|aaron> alkisg: 5.15.0-1025-oracle
[07:55] <|aaron> Hmm so I did actually find an error in Xorg.0.log. "Failed to open DRM device..."
[07:56] <|aaron> open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory
[07:56] <|aaron> but if i startx manually it works and i dont get that error, weird
[08:19] <|aaron> i guess the kernel was the issue, booted to -generic and its fine
[08:23] <|aaron> Had the -intel-iotg and -lowlatency kernels installed too, weird. Just removed all the packages except -generic, hopefully thats good enough
[14:10] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[22:46] <Loki56> Bug Report: KDE Connect in 22.10 isn't integrated right... The slide show buttons on the app on the phone don't register (they are normally up and down) in the Distro... This works in 22.04 LTS just fine... not sure what happened
[22:47] <Loki56> Also,.. in 22.04.2 LTS If yea all could bring in Pipewire early,.. that be awesome :)
[22:48] <Loki56> I'm having to bring it from 22.10 to fix an audio issue in my samsung chromebook 3
[22:48] <Loki56> to 22.04
[23:04] <Loki56> and also bring in 22.04.2 ---- WAYLAND!
[23:04] <Loki56>  :D


[04:14] <eagles0513875> hi all I am running 16.04 on a vm and I am having issues finding the mysql module for apache what is it called please
[04:14] <eagles0513875> tried googling but to no avail
[04:15] <eagles0513875> disregard got it working
[05:23] <N3X15> Been running into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1583182 Since there hasn't been any apparent movement on that since 2016, any workarounds?
[06:15] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:10] <zioproto> jamespage: cloud archive for Newton still has the old dnsmasq package. Is there a release coming out ?
[12:32] <coreycb> zioproto: we're regression testing atm
[12:32] <coreycb> zioproto: it's in newton-proposed now
[12:43] <ahasenack> hi guys, any idea why the libvirt-qemu user uid is in the 64k range? Specifically, mine is 64055
[12:44] <ahasenack> shouldn't that be a "system user", and be between 100 and 999?
[12:44] <ahasenack> as it is, it's showing up as a regular user in the artful user management tool (GUI)
[12:45] <ahasenack> 64055 is in the 60000-64999 range which does have a special meaning in debian/ubuntu, but with this remark: "These ids are for packages which are obscure or which require many statically-allocated ids. "
[12:45] <ahasenack> libvirt isn't "obscure" last I checked :)
[12:45] <ahasenack> I can file a bug, was just wondering if somebody had a quick answer
[13:06] <jamespage> ahasenack: its probably to ensure a consistent uid/gid across a deployment - we did the same with ceph
[13:08] <ahasenack> jamespage: and on that range (64k) specifically?
[13:08] <jamespage> somewhere in that range yes
[13:08] <ahasenack> "The ids are allocated centrally and statically, but the actual accounts are only created on users’ systems on demand."
[13:08] <ahasenack> I see
[13:09] <ahasenack> that would also explain why I've seen the "ceph" user in my gdm login screen sometime ago, I always meant to chase that down
[14:45] <coreycb> jamespage: regression testing on newton-proposed is complete and successful for dnsmasq.
[14:47] <coreycb> jamespage: that also included the newton point release, bug 033
[14:47] <coreycb> nope
[14:47] <coreycb> bug 1718033
[16:52] <coreycb> jamespage: python-k8sclient 0.4.0 is ready to promote to pike-proposed.
[20:40] <Epx998> forced to work on windows servers today, meh


[12:07] <kboi> g'day room
[12:14] <kboi> I'm trying to build a couple of debs, but I find the informations on the wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/KnownledgeBase/ a bit limited. Can anyone point me to couple of links I could read? I haven't got any experience with deb packaging, but I've got some experience with rpms
[12:50] <ttx> kboi: if you're unfamiliar with Debian packaging, I'd suggest starting by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
[12:50] <ttx> The JavaTeam notes assume basic Debian packaging knowledge
[12:50] <kboi> yeah, that's what I'm on right now, thanks
[21:19] <KingWilliam> Hi people
[21:19] <KingWilliam> I recently made this little jar file witch you can use to send messages to the new notification system in Ubuntu
[21:20] <KingWilliam> Now I think I should share it. Where should I put it?
[21:29] <mhall119|work> KingWilliam: launchpad?
[21:30] <KingWilliam> hmmm...
[21:30] <KingWilliam> maybe.
[21:35] <maxb> KingWilliam: do you know bzr?
[21:35] <KingWilliam> yeah
[21:35] <maxb> then launchpad seems ideal
[21:35] <KingWilliam> ok thx
[21:36] <KingWilliam> will people find it easily if I put it there?
[21:36] <maxb> KingWilliam: though, I feel like I should point out, that the backend for sending the messages isn't new
[21:36] <KingWilliam> I was also thinking about google code and sourceforge
[21:37] <maxb> Presumably your package uses libdbus-java ?
[21:37] <KingWilliam> Is there one already? I could not find it when I needed ut :P
[21:37] <KingWilliam> nope it doesnt :P
[21:37] <maxb> what then?
[21:38] <KingWilliam> I just execute the send-notify command
[21:40] <maxb> oh
[21:41] <maxb> Sorry to say that personally I would not use a library if I could get the same results with a simple bit of ProcessBuilder code myself
[21:43] <KingWilliam> maybe


[18:34] <mup> Bug #1835275 opened: Unable to apply netplan configuration in ephemeral environment <MAAS:Fix Committed> <MAAS 2.6:Fix Committed> <maas-images:Fix Released by ltrager> <systemd:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1835275>
[23:50] <ascott> Hello. I am new to maas and learning. Right out of the box though I'm having some trouble. Images are not downloading. Stuck on "Downloading 4%". I tried to contact you guys via a link but when I tried to read your privacy policy and ubuntu privacy policy, they are both 404, so I came here.
[23:51] <ascott> are there currently any network outages? where are the privacy policies so i can read them before contacting you?
[23:55] <ascott> maybe this is what is happening? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1153000/maas-image-import-not-syncing-with-conttroller-for-ubuntu-18-04-amd64-image
[23:57] <ascott> so I just need to wait for a couple days.


 I _can_ make merge proposals to ~ubuntu-desktop stuff. Just did not expect LP to enforce the old bzr path convention with git. So LP forces me to start a whole new git repo just for proposals to Ubuntu
[08:51] <willcooke> morning all
[08:51] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[08:52] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:52] <duflu> Argh. And that is also broken.  Encore bien enrhumé, mais le week-end a fait du bien, je me sens
[09:07] <seb128> duflu, well, you mean you worked those changes in the packaging bzr?
[09:07] <oSoMoN> mieux, et toi?
[09:08] <oSoMoN> (finger slipped on return key)
[09:08] <didrocks> salut seb128 !
[09:08] <seb128> oSoMoN, un peu fatigué encore et léger rhume tjs
[09:08] <duflu> seb128, I figured it out. The default target git repo is almost identical in name to the correct one, but owned by the wrong team. Now done! https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+git/mutter/+merge/363599
[09:09] <seb128> duflu, great, thx
[09:09] <didrocks> au moins, ce n'est pas de ma faute vos rhumes |o|
[09:11] <oSoMoN> didrocks, si, c’est complètement ta faute
[09:11] <oSoMoN> (les absents ont toujours tort)
[09:12] <seb128> et c'est bien toi qui l'avait en premier non ?
[09:12] <seb128> :-)
[09:12] <didrocks> ROH
[09:12] <didrocks> Rhume Over Hangout
[09:15] <Laney> hi didrocks duflu seb128 oSoMoN
[09:15] <Laney> oSoMoN: mostly thanks
[09:15] <Laney> wasn't the best journey home
[09:16] <willcooke> duflu, thanks for creating the new week on the community hub
[09:17] <duflu> willcooke, I wasn't sure but Andy did last week
[09:26] <duflu> Oh, morning seb128
[09:27] <seb128> hey duflu :)
[09:28] <seb128> jbicha, feature freeze was thursday in case you missed that bit (you uploaded a new libsoup serie yesterday including features without ffe it seems?)
[09:30] <tjaalton> I'll file a ffe for mesa 19.0
[09:30] <tjaalton> it's delayed again
[09:30] <seb128> tjaalton, thx
[09:31] <seb128> Laney, thanks for fixing the dock in disco-proposed yesterday, I ended up not having enough time to do another upload on saturday and just fixed the disco proposed situation
[09:31] <seb128> (I could have just demoted-to-proposed and used a blocker bug to avoid migration but I didn't think about that option while I was still on the computer)
[09:32] <duflu> That reminds me... the proposed mutter says "Explicitly enable Wayland EGL stream". But the build dep required to make it work properly is in universe (egl-wayland)
[09:33] <seb128> that's fine, build-depends don't need to be in main
[09:33] <seb128> it that turns into a runtime depends that one needs to be though
[09:33] <duflu> I don't remember but I don't think there are runtime deps
[09:33] <duflu> Only build time deps
[09:33] <Laney> seb128: np, depends seems better anyway
[09:34] <didrocks> duflu: maybe just ldd on on mutter/g-s after a build?
[09:34] <seb128> they are indeed
[09:34] <seb128> didrocks, well, component mismatch would tell us if there was an issue
[09:34] <seb128> no need to spend manual time poking imho
[09:34] <didrocks> true, just in case we wanted to ensure beforehand
[09:35] <seb128> right, it's in proposed now though let's just rely on the archive/tools :)
[09:35] <didrocks> not having a dock is hard to get used to :(
[09:35] <duflu> didrocks, you do have one. Click Activities :)
[09:35] <didrocks> let me state it again:
[09:35] <seb128> didrocks, downgrade your dock package?
[09:35] <didrocks> not having a dock is hard to get used to :(
[09:35] <didrocks> :)
[09:35] <seb128> or get gnome-shell from proposed
[09:35] <duflu> Fair enough
[09:36] <didrocks> seb128: well, I thought that g-s would have been unblocked beforehand
[09:36] <didrocks> but yeah, going to do that
[09:36] <seb128> see telegram from saturday
[09:36] <seb128> budgie got locked by the new glibc and its autopgktest issues
[09:36] <seb128> which blocks that stack migration
[09:36] <seb128> also we delete the new dock from disco and restored the prevous version
[09:36] <seb128> deleted
[09:36] <didrocks> ok, not going to be fixed soon
[09:36] <seb128> no
[09:36] <didrocks> let me downgrade
[09:36] <seb128> but disco is "fixed"
[09:37] <didrocks> oki
[09:37] <seb128> only people who upgraded on friday are stucked until they workaround or wait
[09:37] <didrocks> done
[09:37] <didrocks> maybe that would have worth a post in the hub
[09:37] <didrocks> for those people who don't have access here or on telegram :p
[09:38] <didrocks> at least, I can go back to a normal life with a dock now ;)
[09:38] <seb128> :)
[09:39] <seb128> but yeah, all those hot fixes would have been better handled if they had not been done from a plane about to take of over teethering or from a train station between 2 trains :p
[09:39] <seb128> fun dealing with fires when travelling
[09:40] <seb128> (the main one was the ghostscript security issue making pages print in blue)
[09:40] <didrocks> can't even say "don't upload on Friday" though as it was Thursday evening :)
[09:40] <didrocks> yeah, saw that one
[09:40] <seb128> yeah :/
[09:40] <duflu> That would be Friday in the Pacific
[09:40] <duflu> ish
[09:41] <Laney> some extensions will need to be kicked out too I think
[09:41] <Laney> will see better after glibc goes green again
[09:41] <Laney> jbicha was looking at those
[09:42] <Laney> e.g. https://github.com/JasonLG1979/gnome-shell-extensions-mediaplayer/issues/474 doesn't sounds like the best candidate for the archive after seeing that comment
[09:42] <gitbot> JasonLG1979 issue 474 in gnome-shell-extensions-mediaplayer "Doesn't work with gnome-shell 3.31.90" [Open]
[09:42] <didrocks> ah, this isn't the mpris one
[09:58] <Trevinho> Morning
[09:59] <Laney> hey Trevinho
[09:59] <Laney> you good?
[10:00] <didrocks> morning Trevinho
[10:00] <Trevinho> hi didrocks and Laney
[10:00] <Trevinho> and yes... Good
[10:01] <Trevinho> Laney: thanks for preparing the extension fix. I'll prepare another upload soon with few upstream fixes. and dynamic bg removal.
[10:02] <Laney> k, dunno what that is but I'm sure it's GREAT
[10:02] <Trevinho> ahaha
[10:02] <Trevinho>  the thing the bg color changes on window move... has been deleted upstream.
[10:03] <Trevinho> g-s upstream...
[10:03] <seb128> hey trevinho, how are you?
[10:05] <andyrock> good morning!
[10:05] <Trevinho> seb128: hey, quite good. Got good sleep, yesterday had nice hacking time in the flights
[10:05] <seb128> nice
[10:06] <seb128> hey andyrock! had a good trip? back to the sunny Island? ;)
[10:06] <andyrock> yeah!  17C expected today in Lonon \o/
[10:15] <didrocks> hey hey andyrock
[11:46] <willcooke> wiki down for anyone else?
[11:52] <willcooke> ignore
[11:56] <sil2100> Hey, can someone fill in the SRU info for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1805444 ?
[11:58] <Laney> Trevinho:
[12:35] <Laney> sil2100: ok Trevinho is ignoring us, so I'll edit it to apply the micro release exception :>
[12:37] <Laney> one
[12:37] <Laney> d
[12:37] <Laney> D O N E
[12:41] <sil2100> Laney: THAT'S CHEATING
[12:41] <sil2100> ;)
[12:48] <sil2100> But ok
[12:48] <sil2100> I trust you guys
[12:49] <Laney> I mean we wouldn't have necessarily included a bug reference for all fixes when doing an upstream update
[12:49] <Laney> but since there is one, we include it
[12:49] <Laney> s/included/include/
[12:50] <Laney> for tracking, but the MRE says that we don't need to QA it specifically
[12:50] <Laney> quite handy
[12:50] <sil2100> Brian felt otherwise, and Brian is my mentor-for-life!
[12:51] <sil2100> j/k, anyway, it's good as it now, thanks ;)
[12:51] <doko> poor sil2100
[12:51] <sil2100> s/it/is/
[12:51] <Laney> rich sil2100
[12:51] <Laney> getting to review this stuff
[12:51] <Laney> it's like christmas come early
[12:51] <Laney> thanks for doing it :>
[13:23] <tkamppeter> How do I report spam in a Launchpad bug report?
[13:24] <tkamppeter> See last action on bug 1817308
[13:24] <Laney> File a question on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad with a link to the spammy content
[13:25] <didrocks> at least, they were kind enough to keep the original bug title instead of overriding it :p
[13:28] <tkamppeter> Thanks, here we go: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/678781
[13:29] <mdeslaur> tkamppeter: I already reported it
[13:30]  * mdeslaur thinks viagra would have been more appropriate for the blue background bug
[13:32] <didrocks> mdeslaur: heh :p
[13:40] <jbicha> seb128: sorry about libsoup, I got a bit confused this weekend but I'll get permission first next time
[13:40] <seb128> hey jbicha, k, no problem, thx!
[14:57] <seb128> trevinho, bug #1817546 looks like it might be an issue with the new gnome-shell
[15:08] <Trevinho> ok, might be... We've also a patch there I'll debug it soon
[15:09] <Trevinho> we can probably target it
[15:24] <seb128> thx
[15:38] <seb128> trevinho, Laney, bug #1817490 ... was that one supposed to also not migrate alone?
[15:38] <Laney> Trevinho said it works with the old shell
[15:38]  * Laney asked about that one
[15:39] <Laney> if not, then same treatment I guess
[15:39] <seb128> let me test here
[15:39] <didrocks> it does work
[15:39] <didrocks> got steam appearing this week-end :)
[15:40] <seb128> k, let's ask for a journal log then (and why the heck is apport not including those?)
[16:03] <seb128> Trevinho, Laney, didrocks, on my main laptop (which isn't uptodate yet, but where I updated appindicator only) I get that in the journal and no indicator
[16:03] <seb128> Extension<EMAIL_ADDRESS>had error: TypeError: GObject.registerClass() used with invalid base class (is PanelMenuButton)
[16:03] <seb128> just as a FYI
[16:03] <seb128> anyway, I tagged the bug rls-dd-incoming so let's handle it the normal way
[16:07] <didrocks> seb128: interesting, it was definitively working with last version of everything this week-end (+ buggy dock :p)
[16:08] <didrocks> but if I just start steam again
[16:08] <didrocks> doesn't work now
[16:08] <didrocks> what did I update since then…
[16:08] <seb128> same error in the journal?
[16:09] <didrocks> no…
[16:09] <didrocks> a lot of févr. 25 17:09:08 casanier gnome-shell[2180]: setup_framebuffers: assertion 'width > 0' failed
[16:09] <didrocks> but that's it
[16:09] <seb128> k, that's different/not new
[16:10] <didrocks> yeah
[16:10] <didrocks> hum, no indicator at all now though :/
[16:10] <seb128> well there is something going on
[16:10] <seb128> let's keep it tagged rls
[16:10] <didrocks> yeah, either flaky either weird… :/
[16:10] <didrocks> yep
[16:10] <didrocks> ah
[16:11] <Laney> I'll upload a new one to Debian with versioned dep, can do the same trick to put the old one back if wanted
[16:11] <didrocks> g-s-appindicator has been updated this morning
[16:11] <didrocks> I had 22-1 this week-end
[16:11] <didrocks> it's now 23-1
[16:11] <seb128> marrrrcooooo
[16:11] <Laney> been ignoring this channel all day, convenient
[16:11] <Laney> :>
[16:11] <seb128> yeah :/
[16:12] <seb128> brb, restarting after upgrade in case it makes a difference (but I don't think so)
[16:14] <didrocks> confirmed, downgrading + restarting the shell -> steam icon is here
[16:16] <seb128> nop, restarting doesn't make a difference
[16:16] <seb128> Marrrrcoooo
[16:16] <Laney> feel free to put the old one back if you want
[16:16] <didrocks> 17:14:19   didrocks | confirmed, downgrading + restarting the shell -> steam icon is here
[16:16] <didrocks> seb128: ^
[16:16] <Laney> will upload and sync a fix soon
[16:18] <seb128> Laney, there is a fix or you mean a fix for not having it migrating without shell?
[16:18] <Laney> depends
[16:18] <Laney> Marco can fix the code later on
[16:18] <Laney> it currently lies in the metadata and says it supports 3.30
[16:19] <seb128> well, which you said Marco said it was supposed to
[16:19] <Laney> clearly not
[16:19] <Laney> so that can be another fix
[16:33] <gQuigs> I really need to take better notes..  I know I've asked this before..    where are automated test results preventing the cdimage bump?  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[16:40] <seb128> (old indicator restored)
[16:41] <Laney> ♥
[16:42] <seb128> gQuigs, jibel knows
[16:42] <Laney> gQuigs: dunno, since the URL that firefox remembers for me doesn't work (https://platform-qa-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-disco-desktop-amd64-smoke-default/ - actually it was artful but still)
[16:42] <Laney> ask that person, yeah
[16:45] <jibel> gQuigs, they are not published to a public jenkins instance
[16:46] <jibel> the tests have been failing for a while, I still have to have a look, some weird ssh error on reboot  after installation
[16:47] <gQuigs> understood, thanks!
[17:45] <Trevinho> Laney: as I wrote to seb already yeah is probably related to missing dep again, one reason to have just one extension package to me :P
[17:46] <Trevinho> Laney: anyway I had pushed the change on the metadata already upstream so just pick latest upstream release in case
[17:46] <Trevinho> I had to fix the packaging in my list too but I had to prioritize other upstream stuff
[17:53] <gQuigs>  jibel well those errors aren't particularly helpful..   I'm guessing this is less of an issue in the Ubuntu desktop, and more of an infrastructure one?
[18:27] <willcooke> night all
[18:36] <jibel> gQuigs, I don't know, I didn't look closely.


[00:01] <guiverc> HMollerCL:  NOTE: after reboot, ./notifier.py gets no errors !
[00:02] <teward> wxl: that was thankfully a very NOT PAINFUL thing to get working :P
[00:02] <teward> 20 minutes.  >:D
[00:03] <guiverc> and fyi my box is 19.04
 @guiverc [<guiverc> HMollerCL:  NOTE: after reboot, ./notifier.py gets no errors !], I thought that, it's because the error is in the reboot_needed loop
 Hey guys I'm trying to update my Lubuntu and I'm getting the following message
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/MpeLVNi.jpg
 I even tried sudo apt update as well
 It seems to trip up with a ppa issue
 the exact error would be good, but you can so this better from `sudo apt update` on the terminal
 @SamuelBanya which version if I may ask?  18.04, .10, or 19.04 testing
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/97PfGT3.jpg
 @SamuelBanya remove that PPA, it doens't support cosmic
 most PPAs don't.
 actually, both of those PPAs need removed
 18.04 I believe
 Cosmic
[00:35] <kc2bez> 18.10 is cosmic
 Or 18.10 rather
 @SamuelBanya yeah so remove those PPAs
 and it'll stop complaining
 if the PPA doesn't have a Release file for a specific release, it likely doesn't support that release of Ubuntu
 Or it hasn't published yet :P
 How do I do that before the sudo apt update command?
 firstly `cd /etc/apt/sources.list.d/`
 I'm there
 *now
 secondly, `grep -r alexlarson` and `grep -r cool-retro-term`
 will give you 2 separate filenames
 remove those files
 and their corresponding .save files
 then `sudo apt update` or use the GUI
 Ok trying again after deleting those files
[00:54] <teward> @SamuelBanya did it work?
 Yes
[00:57] <teward> glad to hear it :)o
 The gui completed it
 I'm now installing disco and will check out hans issue
[00:57] <teward> yeah once you remove the 'bad' sources they're all just apt update generally :P
 Thanks dude
[00:58] <teward> yep, just don't enable those PPAs :P
 Good to know
 Gotcha I think I tried getting cool retro term a while back
 Shoulda just followed the build vid on YouTube
 @HMollerCl do I have to run this in qt5?
 I tried python upgrader.py and it's telling me there's no module named PyQt5.QtWidgets
[01:13] <teward> probably safe to say you need Qt5 if it's giving you that error
 "python upgrader.py" in terminal within that directory
 True
 Should I get qt-5-default in Muon?
 There's a ton of qt related queries that returned. Not sure what to install
[01:15] <kc2bez> The readme says notifier.py
[01:16] <kc2bez> it also says you need `update-notifier-common`
 @SamuelBanya [@HMollerCl do I have to run this in qt5?], Bionic has qt5
 @SamuelBanya [I tried python upgrader.py and it's telling me there's no module named PyQt5.QtW …], Strange
 Bionic should had it
 they're using cosmic iirc
[01:26] <kc2bez> @HMollerCl it worked for me. I updated. I am on Dingo.
 but it should be present :P
[01:26] <kc2bez> Disco
 disco, dingo, they're the same :P
[01:27] <kc2bez> It is a fun codename for sure.
 @teward001 [but it should be present :P], Sorry, I'm confused with names. 18.10 should had pyqt5
 18.04 I think it has not
 i'd help test it but i'm... well, 26% drunk currently, so i am not in a position to test 😐
 I'm playing pandemic legacy
 I'm using dingo
 Nevermind I did ./upgrader.py and it looks likes it's applying changes
 Changes to what I'm not sure
 But looks like it's working
 It ended with "No more Upgrades Available"
 Then, your system is upgraded
 Sweet
 Nice is this a python qt updater package?
[02:21] <guiverc> HMollerCL:  couple more tests [nothing new], on 19.04 box running xfce (lxqt/lubuntu installed but i'd logged into xfce) no issues with no updates.  on 18.10 lubuntu box it found & installed updates; same [expected] issue with notifier (after updates installed) with breeze-dark msg - http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/65bR24WSQZ/
 @SamuelBanya [Nice is this a python qt updater package?], Not sure what you mean, but it's a package updater script written in pyqt
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 @HMollerCl like an updater that does the same as sudo apt update?
 yes, that is
 actually same as "apt upgrade"
 "apt update" updates the cache only
 @wxl Please review the recent changes I did to the welcome center, and let me know what you think. Should I include a community links button that points to the "links" page on Lubuntu.me webpage?
 @HMollerCl ah gotcha very cool
 @HMollerCl any particular reason we needed a script that does apt upgrade?
 @SamuelBanya where can this welcome center be seen? I would like to see it.
 Sure one sec
 You gotta open it with qt creator to see it fully though fyi
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-welcome-center/
 ok, don't have qt creater, only qt designer
 does compile it work?
 @gui
[13:07] <guiverc> hmollercl, sorry where you going/trying to ask something?
 @wxl also, should I make sure the build folder is contained in the same repository or should I assume the end user has to ultimately "build" the program upon install of Lubuntu?
 I'll move the "build" folder of the welcome center to the same directory if needed though. I think qt creator by default made a separate build directory in the folder above it by default
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 What was the "command" in telegram to see who are on irc?
[20:12] <teward> "oyi wxl who's on IRC right now" :P
[20:12] <wxl> XD
[20:13] <wxl> 1213 [@ChanServ ] [ drkokandy ] [ JasonO  ] [ meetingology] [ ShellcatZero] [ Wimpress ]
[20:13] <wxl> 1213 [ bluesabre] [ Eickmeyer ] [ Kamilion] [ mpmc        ] [ teward      ] [ WizBright]
[20:13] <wxl> 1213 [ cyphermox] [ el        ] [ kc2bez  ] [ PaulW2U     ] [ tsimonq2    ] [ wxl      ]
[20:13] <wxl> 1213 [ DalekSec ] [ finsternis] [ lubot   ] [ phoe6       ] [ ubot9       ] [ wxl[m]   ]
[20:13] <wxl> 1213 [ ddevault ] [ genii     ] [ lugito1 ] [ popey       ] [ ubot93      ] [ yofel    ]
[20:13] <wxl> 1213 [ DrewRWx  ] [ hggdh     ] [ lynorian] [ queuebot    ] [ ubuntulog3  ]
 HEY
 :)
[20:13] <popey> O_O
[20:13]  * genii wakes up momentarily
 In Telegram it's /names
[20:13] <teward> *bans wxl for pinging everyone*
 @teward [<teward> *bans wxl for pinging everyone*], ^
[20:14] <teward> :P
[20:14] <wxl> you suggested it :)
 (/names doesn't go to IRC)
[20:14] <teward> wxl: i was just being an annoying git.   XD
[20:20] <teward> xD
[20:23] <cyphermox> wxl: hello.
[20:23] <cyphermox> ;)
[20:27] <teward> hah